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dies_iraeuhci-hcd appears to deal with usb12:00
Quathat is the USB 1.1 driver for most of Intel boards and otherwise works quite nicely... i suspect buggy hw12:00
dies_iraeYeah, I wouldn't be surprised. Compaq piece of junk. :/12:00
Quabut lets not guve up and figure out how to disable the beast ... mmt12:00
dies_iraeI was hoping that I could disable it in the bios, but there's no real settings for anything there.12:01
DrewI have a question, has anyone else had a problem with the installer sitting at 36% under "Installing Ubuntu Base System" while "Installing Core Packages", I have had it sit like that for about 10 minutes before rebooting and trying agin, to no avail...12:01
Quaubuntu !?! it is supposed to work according to kernel Docs for my 2.6.8.112:02
Quadies_irae: i am not in ubuntu right now (plain debian), is there some "failsafe" recovery or whatever option in grub?12:03
Qualike kernel with different parameters.. i would like to know the version you are booting12:03
jmhodgeshm.. does anyone know of a way to add id3 tags to flac files?12:03
Drewit ran fine in a VMWare virtual machine, but now that I try and install it on a secondary hard drive for dual boot it always hangs up at 36%12:03
dies_iraeYeah, there is. Let me try that.12:04
QuaHockeyFan22: error message pleas12:04
HockeyFan22one sec12:04
plovsDrew: on another console is it really stuck or is it just slow12:04
HockeyFan22qua "your installintion cd could not be mounted..."12:05
QuaDrew: yup another console, "vmstat 1", "ifconfig" twice in a row, packet count changes?12:05
Drewi'm not using VMware now12:05
Quavmstat 1 watches in- and out- going blocks in io/mem/swap subsystems12:06
Drewi'm trying to install as a full system12:06
Quaso you can see what is going on12:06
jmhodgesok better question, i have lame installed, how do i get sound-juicer to support it?12:06
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QuaDrew: alt+f212:06
jmhodgess/support/use/12:06
Drewoh..heh12:06
Drewi'll have to go try that...12:06
dies_iraeMan, it still gives me the same error. Maybe there's no way around this on this piece of junk.12:06
plovsdies_irae: boot with nousb?12:07
Quadies_irae: nah, don't give up... it ought to be possible to disable it even in ubuntu kernel, otherwise you can compile your own (i do it for instance)12:07
plovsi need to do that installing a compaq proliant we have12:07
Quaplovs: thats what i said the first time12:07
dies_iraeYeah, I tried nousb. Going to add noapci and nodma just to see what happens.12:08
Quaand pressed b afterwards?12:08
dies_iraeYup.12:08
dies_iraeBah, same problem.12:08
Qua'cause this ought to work... wierd12:08
plovsQua: my log term memory is damaged :) remind me again after a minute or so12:08
Quaplovs: yea and you won't remember what we talked about ;)12:08
dies_iraeI've ran Mandrake and Knoppix on this comp fine.12:08
Quahrmpfh. knoppix is smart12:09
dies_iraeSo I'm not certain as to what the problem is. Maybe those had older kernels.12:09
Quawhat knoppix version?12:09
dies_iraeYeah, I've gotten knoppix to work on practically any machine. It's 3.4, which I don't think is the latest.12:09
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aeruderquestion: ubuntu... is it something like debian or such where releases are something that can be done through just upgrading packages through some sort of online system ? 12:09
Quaand what kernel version do you have *now*? i have no idea what's on the ubuntu cd, so please read the grub line for me (hopefully they don't have symlink there, tho it would be smarter so they probably have..)12:10
Quaaeruder: ubuntu is debian under the hood, indeed12:10
jmhodgesanybody here gotten ubuntu on a TC1000 tablet?12:10
aeruderQua: aha!12:10
dies_irae2.6.8.1-2-38612:10
Quajust saner release policies and resonable devels, who make it actually work for normal mortals12:10
Quadies_irae: thats the latest12:11
Quaknoppix 3.4 has 2.6.4 I believe, knoppix 3.6 is the latest, but the kernel config is heavily tweaked and there is lots of clever detection12:11
Quasooooo.. we have a BUG ;))))))))))))12:11
HockeyFan22qua: ahve a solution yet?12:12
dies_iraeooo12:12
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QuaHockeyFan22: no, cause you supplied no erro messages12:12
rileyI just installed ubuntu, and when I try to log in, it goes to a screen that has an ubuntu picture and stops12:13
rileyanybody know what might be causing this?12:13
HockeyFan22qua: all it says is "cd cannot be mounted"12:13
Quadies_irae: could you try knoppix again and somehow save output of "dmesg", "lspci -vvv" and "lsmod" ?12:13
dies_iraeSure.12:13
QuaHockeyFan22: right, sorry12:13
crimsunriley: you need to apt-get update && apt-get upgrade12:14
rileycrimsun: so it comes back to my problem with the nic lol12:14
QuaHockeyFan22: where does it say that, what is befpre that?12:14
rileycrimsun: I still can't get it to work... when i tried ip -4 addr..., it didn't do anything12:15
HockeyFan22the loading of the modules right after the choosing of the lanquage12:15
HockeyFan22after the loading disappears12:15
HockeyFan22then it hangs for a bit12:15
Quaugh, that is strange12:16
Quabad cd12:16
Quaseriously, does it have some self-test (i only installed once, don't remember) ?12:16
HockeyFan22i dont know12:16
crimsunriley: what nic do you use?12:17
HockeyFan22the wierd thing is that this happens on other distros's, but if i load it with nodma and noapic  it works12:17
rileycrimsun: it's attached to my soyo motherboard12:17
Quaotherwise burn another and make sure that md5sum matches... the isos contain their own md5sum, so reasonably smart burning tool, like k3b, can and does verify correctness on the image before burning (k3b default)12:17
Se7hhey12:17
Se7heveryone12:17
QuaHockeyFan22: ohhhhhh, ok12:17
Se7ha...12:17
Se7hforget it12:17
QuaHockeyFan22: your burner then doesn't like dma!12:17
QuaHockeyFan22: i have heard about those12:18
crimsunriley: right, but what chipset is the nic?12:18
HockeyFan22im not sure if its the burner ot the hardware12:18
rileycrimsun: um, i don't know...  how would i find that out?  is it related to the chipset of the motherboard?12:18
HockeyFan22the other possibilitu is that the cdrom is a cdrw12:19
QuaHockeyFan22: well kernel config has option "enable dma only for disks" after you enable dma itself and in help for that it says there were some problems with certain drives12:19
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Quathat doesn't matter12:19
Quaok, so what does the install cd let you do? can you enter the kernel options?12:19
crimsunriley: lspci -v would tell you (don't paste here; use pastebin.com)12:19
HockeyFan22ya12:19
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HockeyFan22normal boot12:20
rileycrimson: ok just a sec12:20
HockeyFan22i tried "linux noapic nolapic nodma" and it still didnt work12:20
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Quauch... where are the developers? ;)12:21
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Quayou wouldn't be very happy if i told you to compile your own kernel, would you? ;) that is not how it is supposed to work anyway.... ubuntu should install smoothly on whatever you throw it on12:22
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moyogohmmm12:22
neuro_INSTALL, DAMN YOU!12:22
dies_iraehaha12:22
=== Qua should get more clue about ubuntu kernel...
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moyogomy weather applet crashes when before i can open Preferences12:22
MaNoe ai como vai12:23
HockeyFan22qua: how would i do that b4 its installed?12:23
MaNoalguem fala portogues12:23
Quanousb, nodma, nolapic.... all these are supposed to work according to kernel Docs ;/12:23
dies_iraeI know that they were passed to the kernel, but as to whether they took effect or not, I am uncertain.12:24
HockeyFan22hmm12:24
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QuaHockeyFan22: complicated, forget it. but knoppix works for you, right? well that is originally the same kernel, of ocurse12:24
HockeyFan22ya12:24
guptanwhere can I find the apt repositories for ubuntu.12:24
HockeyFan22if i enter those two comands12:25
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Quadies_irae: if you do "nousb" you should definitely see no usb initialization12:25
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Quadies_irae: unless it is userland which kernel doesn't manage to stop.. i am not sure about this... can you see some "kudzu" before that point?12:25
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dies_iraeI don't know what kudzu is :( I'm in knoppix now, going to get the output you asked for.12:26
crimsunguptan: in the synaptic interface12:26
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HockeyFan22that makes me want to go more12:26
QuaHockeyFan22: i don't know why it doesn't apply. the right thing to do is to join ubuntu-users mailing list and post it there.... when the developers get up, they will crack it for sure12:26
guptancrimsun I want to update to new gaim, when I tried apt-get install gaim it gives 0 results12:26
HockeyFan22k12:26
Quadies_irae: right12:26
HockeyFan22thanx12:26
crimsunguptan: what new gaim?12:27
crimsunguptan: 1.0.0 is in ubuntu12:27
guptancrimsun, I got 0.8 version :(12:28
crimsunguptan: how did you get the 0.8 version?12:28
crimsunguptan: perhaps a better question is when did you install ubuntu?12:28
Quadies_irae: what i meant is that despite the kernel setting a userspace configuration tool called kudzu could have tried to modprobe the USB module "behind your back".. which is a wild theory as USB is not supposed to work at that point anyway because kernel doesn't allow it at all... but if usbcore is a module as well, things can happen12:28
guptani downloaded ubuntu 4.1 preview release 12:29
guptantoday, and I download cd image last night12:29
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crimsunguptan: from which mirror?12:29
Quadies_irae: go on with getting that info... if I can't crack it you will still need to post that on mailing list and quite likely a bug report will deveop from that as I suspect something is rotten in the distro12:29
guptancrimsun, you know one thing, Y this linux doesn't give a choice to set up root password on installation :)12:30
crimsunguptan: because it uses sudo.12:30
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dies_iraeAlrighty. I had to reboot because of something stupid, though. :/ I'll get it to you in a bit.12:30
Quaguptan: so that you don't overuse root and make your system unstable/unsecure12:30
morteohhi, when i insert devices (fw/usb) it turns up on my desktop.. is this the works of GVM? (i was wondering, since the fstab didn't have an entry for the device, and it also creates a /media/<device>-directory)12:30
guptanftp://ftp.mirrorservice.org/sites/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/12:31
morteoh(i want to recreate this on a standard debian box)12:31
plovsmorteoh, it's hal12:31
topyliguptan: you never need to be root anyway on any distro12:31
Quaand it uses sudo for that. and you can re-enable root. but it's quite stupid and if you don't know *how* or precisely *why*, you certainly don't need it. sudo is a wonderful tool that i use most of the time i need root even on plain debian12:32
guptancrimsun, I'm switching from SuSE & Fedora (never been to a debian yet) how can I use sudo12:32
crimsunman sudo12:32
morteohplovs: only hal? 12:32
crimsunbasically: sudo <whatever command>12:32
plovsmorteoh, hal and friends ;)12:32
Qua"sudo what-root-only-can-do"12:32
plovsguptan, and you *own* password12:33
morteohplovs: well, i had dbus/udev/GVM/hal on my debian box.. but only entries listed in fstab was mounted12:33
morteohand hotplug..12:33
guptanthanks guys for this info12:33
topyliguptan: or in gnome, pick whatever you want from the menu, and if it needs a password, it will ask for it.12:33
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rileycrimsun: what was that site that you wanted me to use?12:34
guptanhey I tried this command,  sudo apt-get install gaim but it gives some error, can't lock directory 12:34
plovsmorteoh, well, those are the packages, but if you want technical info ask pitti, he does the packages for hal, i suppose12:35
Quabecause you are already using synaptic?12:35
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crimsunriley: pastebin.com12:35
Quaguptan: make sure you don't have any other program accessing your apt repository at the same time12:35
XyverzI must say... I'm rather impressed with Ubuntu, folks.12:35
cyphoswhen I goto network settings, and then under the general tab I click Enable Windows networking and get a dialog "SMB support is not running". What do I need?12:35
Quaguptan: i suggested synaptic, the graphical package manager12:35
XyverzI've *never* used a GNOME desktop that's this bloody snappy.12:35
plovscyphos, samba12:36
guptanQua, synaptic showing firefox version .9.3, but why?12:36
topylibloody snappy, what i always say :)12:36
plovsguptan, you need to update12:37
Quacyphos: because that is the latest in debian unstable, too12:37
Xyverzmy only problem - and I believe it's more a metacity problem - is how can I set it so that ALT+RightClick allows me to resize a window?12:37
Quasorry, that was for guptan 12:37
guptancan somebody give me ftp address to download new ubuntu.12:37
Xyverztopyli: ;)12:37
plovsguptan, are you running it now?12:37
Quaand, no firefox PR1 is not completely stable/bug-free either12:38
dies_iraeQua: I uploaded the contents to http://www.ame-tsuchi.com/ubuntu/ in three files. I'll be right back, pasta on stove12:38
topyliXyverz: computer -> desktop prefs -> keyboard shortcuts12:38
Xyverztopyli: thx12:38
cyphosplovs: oh I just assumed that samba was installed by default - I thought it was smb filesystem support not enabled in the kernel. Thanks again!12:38
guptanplovs yes. but I think mine is a old version.12:38
Quadies_irae: DCC SEND some this way ;)12:38
topyliXyverz: except i don't think it's there :)12:39
Dashivais there a new ubuntu coming out?12:39
plovsguptan, you don't have to reinstall, just update it with synaptic12:39
crimsunDashiva: soon, yes.12:39
Xyverztopyli: :-p12:39
topyliXyverz: its desktop prefs -> windows12:39
micXDashiva, every six months apparently...12:39
topyliand it still won't let you do what you want :(12:39
Xyverztopyli: hmmm. not there.12:40
XyverzI believe it's a metacity limitation.12:40
topyliyes12:40
Xyverzbleah.  it's the most useful feature of justabout every WM I've ever used.12:40
plovsguptan, i have firefox 1.0 preview12:40
guptanplovs, I got it. I just enabled ubuntu repository in synaptic..i'm downloading new firefox now12:41
plovsguptan, ok12:41
topyliXyverz: perhaps you need to use whatever you like (with gnome). many wm's are compatible12:41
guptanplovs, one more question: how can I check a deb package version from command line, can u tell me the command12:42
plovsXyverz, and many things can only be change in the configuration editor12:42
Xyverzplovs: yeah, looking there, but not seeing it.12:42
topyliXyverz: or learn to left-click :)12:42
Xyverztopyli: *GASP!* NOOOOO!12:42
plovsguptan, dpkg -l <package>12:42
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rileycrimsun: i pasted it to pastebin12:43
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topylino. it moves the window. hmm.12:43
topylimiddle resizes :)12:43
guptanplovs thanks.12:44
crimsunriley: which motherboard do you have?12:44
Xyverzhmmmmm12:44
Xyverzmaybe I could use sawfish instead of metacity...12:44
guptanplovs, I have more questions can I?12:44
topyliseriously. alt+middle does it12:44
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plovsguptan, sure, if i know it, i'll help12:45
guptanplovs, when I select text in ubuntu, it comes in some brown highlighting. I want to change that color. Where can I change the color in GNOME.12:45
rileycrimsun: SOYO SY-K8USA DRAGON Ultra BLACK LABEL 12:45
plovsguptan, change the theme12:46
Quadies_irae: back yet?12:46
plovsguptan, Computer > Desktop Prefereneces > Theme12:46
morteohhm, on ubuntu.. there is a nice * Loading something..... [ok]  ... is it possible to get something like this on debian? or is it special to ubuntu?12:48
morteoh(on boot)12:48
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crimsunriley: interesting, it has a via gigabit chip. let's see....12:48
rileycrimsun: is that good or bad lol12:49
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jmhodgesanyone here played with ubuntu on a lappie or tablet?12:49
Xyverztopyli: oh!12:49
Xyverztopyli: didn't see that there.12:49
opihello there :)12:49
Xyverzthx12:49
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Xyverztopyli: thx!12:50
topyliXyverz: just learned it myself =)12:50
Xyverz:)12:50
topylimetacity is SO cool :-D12:51
crimsunriley: it appears to be the VIA Velocity chipset12:51
crimsunriley: support for it is in 2.6.9-rc312:51
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dies_iraeQua: yes12:52
crimsunand Alan Cox posted a patch several days ago to move its Kconfig into the proper gigabit menu12:52
rileyso where can i get that?12:52
crimsunin 2.6.9-rc312:52
rileyubuntu 2.6.9-rc3?12:52
crimsuni am not certain that chipset is supported in ubuntu's kernel(s)12:52
dies_iraejmhodges: I'm currently having trouble putting Ubuntu on an old Compaq laptop.12:52
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micXanyone using ubuntu as server in text mode, without gnome?12:53
jmhodgesdies_irae: bleh12:53
Quadies_irae: you have a HW problem with your particular model, see exactly the same problem report here: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2004-July/msg01307.html12:53
hazmatwow! i just plugged in the ipod (hfs+) on ubuntu (pbook) and it just works :-)12:53
jmhodgeshazmat: damn, that is cool12:53
Quadies_irae: what i recommend is to send it to mailing list *and* file it in bugzilla because it has not been reported for ubuntu yet12:53
jmhodgeshazmat: and remember to capitalize your Just Works :-p12:53
Georgehazmat: you're on PowerPC?12:53
dies_iraeAlrighty, sounds good.12:53
Georgehazmat: which PowerBook?12:53
hazmatGeorge, yes12:54
dies_iraeThanks for your help, Qua, I really appreciate your efforts.12:54
Georgehazmat: I've got a PowerBook G4 667MHz "Oynx" - any idea how well it'll work? :)12:54
hazmatGeorge, rev 4, nov 2002 - the last one with all the hardware supported12:54
Quadies_irae: it has nothing to do with ubuntu as it has nothing to do with fedora it has been reported for, but it will make people aware of the problem12:54
Georgehazmat: ah, the tibook12:54
Georgehazmat: airport works I suppose?12:54
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Quadies_irae: next step it to report it to people who actually can fix it and that is the kernel USB developers12:54
hazmatGeorge, yup.. did the install wireless, installer detected airport and setup the network 12:54
Georgehazmat: ok12:54
Georgehazmat: and DRI?12:55
hazmatyup.. out of the box it just worked12:55
Georgenice12:55
hazmati did this all manually with gentoo before.. 12:55
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Georgeheh12:55
GeorgeI'm using Gentoo on my PowerBook G4 1.25GHz12:55
Georgebut I can't be arsed to install it on my 667MHz TiBook12:55
hazmatyup.. i was staring in the face of three days of compiling to upgrade my system.. and i said screw it... and installed ubuntu.12:56
Quadies_irae: in the meantime, if you dare, you can compile your own kernel, fishing out the config from loopback-mounted iso image, so that ubuntu will be happy with it.. and disable all usb altogether12:56
Georgehazmat: haha12:56
Georgehazmat: what gcc does ubuntu have?12:56
hazmatGeorge, gcc-3.3 and gcc-3.4 are avail12:56
fnordotronicanyone know how to get a larger list of packages for synaptic?12:57
Georgehazmat: woot12:57
dies_iraeHaha, I don't think I dare to do that. I'm not experienced enough with this kind of thing yet, unfortunately. Thanks, though. I'll submit it.12:57
Georgehazmat: and cd/dvd burning worked out of the box?12:57
dredg3.3.4-1 is the current version, almost fresh install12:57
hazmatGeorge, haven't tried that one yet.12:57
micXfnordotronic, uncomment universe line in sources.list12:57
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Quadies_irae: actually you can ask the mailing list how comes "nousb" doesn't work ?!? this is the right thing to do... it must be possible to disable it. but USB kernel team could fix it for your model for good, so tell them please12:57
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dredgfnordotronic: unco.. gah, what micX said.12:57
Georgehazmat: well, thanks for letting me know :)12:58
Quaanyways, you know what to do now... i am off. good luck with your notebook.12:58
micXhazmat, are u running mac-on-linux on there?12:58
atomic0xWhee.  I just got ubuntu installed!  I love it so far!12:58
fnordotronici keep forgetting this thing is based on debian. ok thanks for the answer12:59
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rileycrimsun: so basically i need to download the new kernel?12:59
dies_iraeThanks again, Qua. I'm going to eat. I'll submit it to the mailing list and the bug tracker.12:59
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hazmatmicX, no.. i've got a dual boot setup01:00
crimsunriley: try: modprobe via-velocity01:00
rileyok01:00
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micXhazmat, k. I was wondering if MOL was a way of having your cake and eating it too. it's tempting.01:01
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opimicX: I've been testing MOL under Debian on PegasosPPC01:02
Georgedoes ubuntu have KDE?01:02
micXopi, what is PegasosPPC?01:03
crimsunGeorge: in universe01:03
rileycrimsun: just wondering, if i can't get it to work, would buying a seperate nic solve the problem?01:03
opimicX: a board made by Genesi01:03
crimsunGeorge: remember that by default Ubuntu is a GNOME distribution.01:03
Georgecrimsun: "universe"?01:03
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Georgecrimsun: it is?!01:03
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opimicX: http://pegasosppc.com would explain more that I can ;)01:03
TheCanfinally ubuntu is running!01:03
TheCanthx to knoppix' xf86config...01:03
crimsunkonqueror: 4:3.2.2-1ubuntu2 0 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages01:03
micXopi, oh, hardware. with ubuntu?01:03
opimicX: nope, with Debian01:03
crimsunGeorge: use Synaptic to uncomment the universe lines01:04
crimsunGeorge: or edit /etc/apt/sources.list directly01:04
dredgGeorge: yeah, it has kde, but its not in the default repositories. you have to use the 'universe' repo01:04
opimicX: Ubuntu dosen't run on Pegasos (yet!);)01:04
Georgeright01:04
morteohhm, the menu on ubuntu, is this new for gnome 2.8 or is it special for ubuntu ?01:04
micXopi, hows mac performance compared with native?01:04
opimicX: funny thing is, I can't tell01:04
crimsunriley: temporarily ,yes01:04
crimsunriley: did you run that modprobe command i told you?01:04
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burrikothe menu is special for ubuntu i think01:04
opimicX: I saw Mac few years ago 01:04
micXopi, heh. how does it _seem_ then?01:05
morteohok, the menu is way better than the one in standard gnome :D01:05
opimicX: usable on G4/1000.01:05
opimicX: you should try it, it was quite painless with Debian :)01:05
rileycrimsun: i ran the command and then tried to run ifconfig01:05
burrikois it worth changing my apt sources from warty to hoary?  will it make a big difference?01:06
morteohhoary?01:06
micXopi, don't have anything faster than G4/400 here to play with. That's slow native...01:06
burrikohoary hedghog01:06
morteohnew release?01:06
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crimsunriley: after you ran the command, did it just return to command prompt, or did it spit out errors?01:06
opimicX: so I bet it will be slow emulated too ;/01:06
opimorteoh: more like Sid in Debian ;)01:07
morteohah01:07
morteoh:)01:07
morteohdoes it have mono?01:07
opimono is somewhere01:07
burrikobut warty is so up-to-date anyway, so is it worth upgrading to hoary?01:07
crimsunmono is also in universe01:07
crimsunbut it's old01:07
crimsun(0.96)01:07
opiI don't have link to apt-get soruce01:07
rileycrimsun: it returned to the command prompt01:08
crimsunriley: good01:08
morteohdoes hoarty have x.org? :) (guessing not..)01:08
opiI wish Ubuntu could provide: Mono/Monodevelop, PyGTK+Python & GVIm ;)01:08
crimsunmorteoh: no. X.Org is slated for next release next year.01:08
rileycrimsun: so does that mean i can configure eth0 now?01:08
opimorteoh: will have in decent future01:08
morteohopi: it does have gvim01:08
crimsunriley: do you have any entry for eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces?01:09
opimorteoh: im talking about package here ;))01:09
opimorteoh: install & develop01:09
morteohhehe01:09
burrikobtw, i just want to say how happy i am with ubuntu. i've been looking for a distro that works well with my laptop, and ubuntu is the first one to do everything right (plus i'm a big debian fan, so basing it on debian makes it so easy for me to dive right in with it)01:09
opiyeah, Im Debian user too01:09
morteohi still like debian better, but ubuntu could be a hit :)01:09
morteoh(it kinda already is, i guess)01:09
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crimsuni like 'em both, even converted all the FC2 boxes at work to ubuntu01:10
opiI'll try to make Ubuntu my gateway01:10
TheCanis there something like "mirrorselect" in ubuntu? i want to make this sources.list fil,.e01:10
rileycrimson: no, it just has lo01:10
fridgethe channel has grown by 30 users since I joined01:10
opieveryone's running ubuntu as Desktop, so I'd like to see it from other side ;)01:10
crimsunriley: edit that file so you have the following lines:01:10
flamesrockI'm not :)01:10
crimsunauto eth001:10
crimsuniface eth0 inet dhcp01:10
burrikoit's basically debian + increased usability IMO01:10
jmhodgesopi: i wouldn't suggest ubuntu for server work01:10
rileycrimsun: ok i'll try that thinks01:10
jmhodgesnot that it couldnt do it01:10
jmhodgesits just too much to remove after it being installed01:11
crimsunriley: then: sudo ifup eth001:11
opijmhodges: hey, there's a custom option before install01:11
opijmhodges: it should bring base system only01:11
jmhodgesopi: true, but what a pain01:11
opijmhodges: hmm01:11
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opijmhodges: how mutch pain?01:11
jmhodgeshey, fiddle with it01:11
opijmhodges: pain like, aaaaaaargh im dying01:11
Dashivadebian had too many bugs for me...ubuntu just works01:11
jmhodgesdon't know, but i havent try01:12
jmhodgeshehe01:12
rileycrimsun: so run sude ifup eth0 at the command line?01:12
morteohanyone got a working mplayer-source then? 01:12
burrikohopefully the totem/gstreamer issues will be sorted soon and then i won't have a single problem with ubuntu01:12
rileyor put it in the file?01:12
Dashivamorteoh, i had to add a repository to get it to work but it works01:12
opijmhodges: well since it's nothing important (just my home router) I think I'll try01:12
micXopi, not cheap are they?01:12
crimsunriley: you need to place those two lines into /etc/network/interfaces, then run sudo ifup eth001:12
burrikomorteoh: just compile from the sources at mplayerhq.hu01:12
jmhodgesopi: cool01:12
dredgmorteoh: the sid mplayer src works for me01:12
morteohburriko: i have done that01:12
opimicX: depends :)01:12
dredgmorteoh: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main01:12
opimicX: I like Pegasos because of thier other OS01:13
morteohdredg: i'm getting connection refused01:13
opimicX: and I have to say that HW is quite decent, too01:13
micXopi, MorphOS?01:13
dredgmorteoh: workd for me01:13
dredgworks*01:13
morteoh:( i'm getting connection refused01:13
opimicX: yep01:14
jmhodgesdoes ubuntu have screen rotation support or is that something in XOrg? 01:14
morteohdredg: i thought it had something todo with kernel 2.6.8 and tcp_ecn, but you're running ubuntu right?01:14
rileycrimsun: vi won't let me write to the interfaces file, i'm assuming i have to be root, but i don't remember inserting a password for root when i installed... is there a default or did i forget something01:14
dredgmorteoh: i am01:14
morteohriley: sudo vi <file>01:15
crimsunriley: sudo vi /etc/network/interfaces01:15
morteohriley: user password01:15
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morteohdredg: strange, maybe my domain is blocked.. 01:15
tom_hi all01:15
rileycrimsun & morteoh: ok thanks01:15
crimsunjmhodges: it has XFree86 4_3 branch + a ton of patches, so yes it supports XRANDR01:15
dredgmorteoh: there are mirrors01:15
tom_i have one q : can i use apt-get for unbuntu ?01:16
morteohtom_: yes01:16
morteoh:)01:16
opiyou have to01:16
opi;)01:16
dredgtom_: it relies on it :)01:16
micXopi, PegasosII + G4/1k + MacOSX = ~$750. eMac= $799 and includes screen, disk etc. so it isn't a cheap way of getting a Mac...01:16
tom_which options are aviable ?01:16
opimicX: but Mac can't run MorphOS01:16
tom_all like for debian ?01:16
rileycrimsun: when i typed sudo vi interfaces, it gave me a blank line on which i can type to no response...01:16
opimicX: also, Macs are made in more quantity01:16
opimicX: so there's no way to compare 01:17
opimicX: some people just want to have PPC board, and not Mac :)01:17
crimsunriley: no, sudo vi /etc/network/interfaces01:17
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jmhodgescrimsun: ah, thanks01:17
rileycrimsun: i was already in the /etc/network directory01:17
opiriley: try sudo bash ;)01:18
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crimsunriley: /etc/network/interfaces?01:18
rileycrimsun: what?01:19
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crimsunriley: that file should exist01:19
rileycrimsun: it does01:19
crimsunriley: so edit it01:19
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rileycrimsun: but when i go into vi with it, it won't let me save, and sudo vi gave me a blank line on the command line that didn01:20
rileydidn't look anything like vi01:20
crimsunriley: type this exactly: sudo vi /etc/network/interfaces01:20
opiriley: then nono/pico/whatever it01:20
opis/nono/nano ;)01:21
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micXopi, got it. Maybe the volume will grow too, so the difference won't be so much.01:23
tom_how can i start bittorrent ? i cant find some gui01:23
theantixtom_, copy the name of the library the error message reports, and install it using apt-get or synaptic01:24
morteohtom_: apt-get install bittorrent01:24
opimicX: that's what we thinking :)01:24
morteohtom_: and use btlaunchcurses .. :) (curses)01:24
morteoh(ncurses :-)01:24
opimicX: so getting Ubuntu is another step to achive it :)01:24
tom_win-get update && win get upgrade01:25
tom_ahh01:25
tom_bad clipboard01:25
rileycrimsun: it's not working, it just gives me a blank line that i can't do anything with01:25
rileyand it's not vi, i know what vi looks like01:25
micXopi, how come ubuntu doesn't work when debian does on those boards?01:25
crimsunriley: then use another editor, like opi suggested01:26
opimicX: can't tell, haven't try it yet01:26
opimicX: I should prepare kernel for it ;)01:26
crimsunriley: for instance, sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces01:26
morteohubuntu doesn't have mc :(01:27
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rileycrimsun: ok, what does sudo do?01:27
opimorteoh: get sources from debian01:27
opiriley: super user do01:27
crimsunriley: you run commands as another user. by default, as root.01:27
opiriley: it runs command with root rights01:28
rileyok01:28
tom_ahh ... i need wxPython, because wxpython.lib doesnt work01:28
opishould I a) go to sleep b) get another mug of coffee? :P01:28
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ewoudjI do not have a /dev/dsp... can somebody help me create one?01:30
crimsunmake sure udev is running, then modprobe snd-pcm-oss01:31
opiewoudj: is your card working?01:31
crimsunerr, sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss01:31
opicrimsun: udev/devfs should manage /dev for you01:31
ewoudjIt worked with other distro's01:31
crimsunopi: there's a chance that udev crashed01:32
ewoudjI'm running on a Dell Latitude and that seems to cumbersome in conjunction with alsa01:32
crimsunewoudj: which chipset, snd-intel8x0m?01:32
opicrimsun: oh, never failed for me, is there a specific problem with udev in Ubuntu?01:33
crimsunsorry, that's incorrect, it should be an intel 8x0 chipset, perhaps with a modem.01:33
crimsunor an ati igp01:33
crimsuntoo many laptops :)01:33
rileyI ran sudo pico /etc/network/interfaces and it did the same thing vi did, which is to give me a blank line right under the command and on which i can do nothing, not even halt01:33
opiriley: ok, try suda cat /etc/network/interfaces01:34
opisudo01:34
opihey..01:34
opihmm01:34
opibadly defined terminal?01:34
rileywell i have to restart my system to do it01:34
opitry export TERM=vt10001:34
ewoudjit's a C640 with the i810_audio thingy01:34
rileyme try export TERM=vt100?01:35
crimsunewoudj: right. first thing you need to do is disable the printer port and the modem in the bios.01:35
ewoudjok I will (have experience with the specific hardware?)01:35
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crimsunewoudj: several dell laptops.01:36
opiriley: because you say that everything is ,,broken'' on terminal01:36
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opiriley: it's possible that terminal definition is bad01:36
rileyopi: yeah, mostly everything, but i can get into vi, just not with sudo01:36
ewoudjCrimsun: going to do the bios thing. back in a sec01:36
opiriley: it's not good idea but do something like this01:37
opiriley: sudo /bin/bash01:37
opiriley: you should get bash with root rigths01:37
rileyopi: ok, i'll try01:37
opiriley: see whats TERM says 01:38
opiriley: echo $TERM01:38
opiriley: try to change it to something safe01:38
opiriley: export TERM=vt10001:38
opithen try nano /etc/network/interfaces01:39
rileywell sudo /bin/bash brought me back to the line where i can't do anything01:39
rileyand i tried export TERM=vt100 and it didn't seem to do anything01:40
opitype who am i01:40
rileyopi: oh sorry01:40
opioh, you can't see anything?01:40
opithis is pretty strange :o01:40
rileyopi: nope01:40
morteohriley: you don't even get a commandline?01:41
rileyopi: i think i've got a messed up comp... i've tried installing 3 distros on it, ubuntu twice, and none of them have worked01:41
rileymorteoh: no, it just goes to a blankline when i run sudo /bin/bash01:41
morteohriley: how 'bout sudo -s ?01:42
micXis riley in gnome or a VT? maybe we should switch him to the console...01:43
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morteohi'm guessing gnome-terminal01:44
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crimsunhave him run dmesg01:44
crimsunmake sure his kernel didn't oops01:44
ewoudjcrimsun: your tip (diable stuff in bios) worked. Thnx you very, very much!!!!01:45
crimsunewoudj: aye. chalk up another one to the irq7 problem.01:45
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rileymicX: i'm running the failsafe terminal on the login screen01:47
rileybut i've gotta go for now01:48
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opiis XFce4 avalible in Ubuntu?01:50
opiI dislike Gnome, but XFce makes fine GTK env.01:50
dredgopi: yes01:50
dredgim using it01:50
opigood, good01:50
opiwhat about MTA?01:51
opiis Exim a default one?01:51
dredgpostfix01:51
opid'oh :D01:51
opiI didn't get a grip with Postfix01:51
dredgexim is there01:51
dredgtheres no problem installing it01:51
opiso I just replace it ;>01:51
dredgusually, my debian boxes have exim pulled out and postfix plugged in :)01:52
dredgim sure it works the other way too :)01:52
opiI bet :)01:52
aesI rip out exim and replace it with postfix too01:55
tom_i cannt find some java for ubuntu .....01:55
opitom_: you can grab binary package from Sun01:56
tom_ok,thx01:56
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opiaes: so dose system admin at work01:56
aesyeah01:56
cyphosI just tried doing a cvs checkout and got the following error:01:56
cyphoscan't create temporary directory /tmp/cvs-serv1748301:56
cyphosNo space left on device01:56
aeswhatever works for an individual person01:56
cyphosand I have 29GB free01:56
dredgtom_: deb http://jopa.studentenweb.org/debian ./01:56
aescyphos: sounds like the actual *server* is out of disk spce01:57
aes*space01:57
dredgtom_: add that, apt-get update, and then apt-get install j2re1.401:57
tom_i dl newest 1.5 now ;)01:59
cyphosaes: well isn't that a shit in da pants02:00
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dredgi think it's time for bed02:07
dredgnight all02:07
jack__z02:13
opiI should get some Zzz, but Im reading Python docs ;)02:13
LinuxJonesmmmm Python 02:15
defendguinhow easy is it to make a deb from a tar package?02:15
opidefendguin: with source or binary?02:16
LinuxJonesI need a good Python book02:16
opiLinuxJones: there's tons of stuff online02:16
LinuxJonesopi, I like reading from books it's easier on my eyes because my monitor totally blows :P02:16
opiLinuxJones: I've started today, as a break from a project, and I think I'll stick with Python02:16
opiLinuxJones: my problem too02:17
defendguinopi, is a source package02:17
opiLinuxJones: I'll just print some PDF's at office ;p02:17
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LinuxJonesopi, heh02:17
lyp|bedwhere can i find the sources for the default installed kernel?02:17
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opidefendguin: there's a fine documentation on that at http://debian.org02:17
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opilypie: try apt-cache search kernel source02:18
lypieonly get 2.6.702:18
lypienot 2.6.8-102:18
LinuxJoneslypie, I think that they just patch to version 2.6.8-1.02:19
LinuxJoneslypie, but I could be wrong02:19
lypieah. i see the patch :)02:20
defendguinopi, thanks02:20
TheCandpkg is really overkill for kernel sources, sorry02:20
lypieoh02:20
TheCanwhy not just untar the kernel-source itself and build with make-kpkg?02:20
lypieTheCan: sssh02:20
lypieTheCan: ndiswrapper02:20
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opiI prefer to build kernel without Debian tools02:21
lypiei don't :)02:21
lypiemine works02:21
lypiejust want to build a module02:21
opijust because there's lots of Linux distros02:21
lypieused to use gen202:21
opiand I don't want to blank and stare, when I will have to work on, ie. Slackware ;)02:21
lypieif i wanted to go ack to building my own kernels02:21
lypiemay as well go back to building all :)02:22
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opilucky you :P02:22
lypie:P02:22
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lypielinux-source-2.6.8.102:23
lypiefound it :)02:23
lypiethx all opi  / LinuxJones 02:24
lypies/all//02:24
LinuxJonesnp02:24
opiok, Im going to get some rest02:25
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toyowheelinhello all02:27
toyowheelinwhats up02:27
elmayanutin02:27
toyowheelinhumm02:27
toyowheelin'02:27
LinuxJoneslater !!hi toyowheelin02:28
toyowheelinhello02:29
defendguinopi do you know where there is a readers digest version of making a deb package?02:30
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defendguinmaybe just a quick example of someone making a deb02:34
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joemdefendguin, read the full guide02:37
joemor browse it at least02:37
joemhttp://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/02:37
defendguinuggg02:41
micXwhat package do I need for flash animations in firefox?02:45
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micXI've loaded swf-player, but it isn't helping.02:46
defendguinwhat package is dh_make in??02:46
opidpks -S dh_make02:47
toyowheelinanyone know of a good app to monitor temps?02:48
defendguindpkg?02:49
toyowheelin???02:49
opitoyowheelin: monitor temps?02:49
opiwhat do you mean by that?02:49
toyowheelinlike processor temature and case temp and stuff02:50
LinuxJonesmicX, mozilla prompted me and asked if I would like to download the helper app I said yes and that was it02:50
toyowheelin*tempature02:50
micXLinuxJones, oh. ok :)02:50
defendguinaccrding to this debian documentation im supposed to have an app called dh_make but all i seem to be able to get is this dh_makeshlibs is this right?02:50
defendguinaccording02:50
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defendguinno one knows?02:54
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toyowheelinok nevermind it dont matter anyway because lm-sensors dont seem to see my sensors02:58
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rjarrettwas hapinin!03:02
toyowheelinnot a whole lot03:02
LinuxJonesrjarrett, not much :P03:02
toyowheelinfiguring out why sensors-detect wont find my sensors03:03
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riley_crimsun: you there?03:04
rjarrettjust installed ubuntu, checking things out03:04
LinuxJonesrjarrett, it's very nice even for a pre-realease03:04
rjarrettruns great on my p11 26603:05
LinuxJonesrjarrett, no way03:05
rjarrettyes way03:05
riley_lol nice rjarret03:05
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toyowheelinhahahaha03:05
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LinuxJonesI might install it on my nephew's computer tomorrow for him, how much ram do you have ?03:06
rjarrett256 megs03:06
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bolivarhow advisable is it to install updates through the firefox manager vs through apt?03:06
LinuxJoneshe only has a 500 mhz processor and like 64 megs of ram.03:07
rjarrettit's worth a shot03:07
rjarrettbetter than windoze!03:07
Hrdwr_BoB64mb of ram is walking a fine line03:08
riley_yeah i think i'm going to install on my old 650 MHz 160 MB ram03:08
Hrdwr_BoBthough I have a 700mhz duron with 128 mb ram here and it runs ok03:08
jluse icewm with 64MB ram03:08
riley_after i get it to work on my new amd64 which won't seem to work03:08
rjarrettI had SuSe on here before ubuntu runs better03:08
LinuxJonesya, I might steal some ram out of my old comp 03:08
rjarrettof course I am running Gentoo on my main system03:09
LinuxJonesrjarrett, I don't know what it is but Debian based distros seem more responsive on a the desktop for some reason, for me anyways03:09
rjarrettI have noticed that on this old system03:10
rjarrettGentoo runs great on my other box but it is a P4 2.4 512 megs03:10
rjarrettubuntu was a lot easier to install03:11
LinuxJonesrjarrett,  Gentoo is great in principal but it takes too much time to maintain a desktop system as far as I am concerned.03:11
Hrdwr_BoBI have two debian systems here, and one ubuntu03:12
Hrdwr_BoBif I need to reinstall either of them; it'll be with ubuntu03:12
rjarrettYou are right I am always updating my system and working with config files03:12
Hrdwr_BoBI spent quite a few hours configuring my fiance's machine with gnome and all sorts of shiny crap03:12
Hrdwr_BoB... that is there 'out of the box' with ubuntu03:13
LinuxJonesHrdwr_BoB, cool03:13
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riley_So, do any of you know how I would go about fixing a broken terminal?03:14
defendguinhmmm this might be easier than i thought03:15
Hrdwr_BoBriley_: how so broken?03:15
riley_Hrdwr_BoB: when i type certain commands, like sudo, it goes to a blank line on which i can't do anything03:17
defendguinhmmmm i need gnome-icon-theme 2.9.003:18
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LinuxJonesriley_, have you updated your system ?03:18
joemepittance?03:18
defendguinjoem, yup03:19
defendguintrying to build a deb03:19
joemnice03:19
riley_LinuxJones, I can't, because my nic doesn't work and to get it to work i need root access and to get root access i need to use sudo which i can't use because of the broken terminal...03:19
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Hrdwr_BoBoh irony03:20
riley_yep...03:20
Hrdwr_BoBso when you type sudo -s 03:20
Hrdwr_BoBwhat happens03:20
defendguinjoem, would you like to try epittance?03:20
riley_it goes to a completely blank line and typing things does nothing03:21
joemdon't see why not03:21
riley_and i can't even use halt03:21
riley_so i have to hit the power button and restart03:21
joemgotta go read that long guide now :(03:21
defendguinjoem, could you build a deb of gnome-icon-theme 2.9.0?03:21
joemyea, but I wouldn't be able to do it til later03:21
defendguindarn03:22
defendguinmore work for me03:22
defendguinlol03:22
LinuxJonesriley_,  do ctfl+alt+F2 login and try from there03:22
riley_so hit ctrl+alt+f2 at the login screen?03:23
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LinuxJonesriley_,  right nw will exit to another virtual terminal03:23
riley_LinuxJones, nw?03:24
LinuxJonesriley_,  maybe gnome-terminal is just borked03:24
LinuxJonesriley_, sorry just do crtl+alt+f2 03:25
riley_LinuxJones, ok i'll try it03:25
defendguinwhere can i find gnome-icon-theme 2.9.003:26
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rjarrettLinuxJones_/ maybe you should have told him to hit ctrl+alt+f7 to get back03:27
Safari_Aldefendguin, checked ftp.gnome.org?03:27
rjarrettHe will be lost in terminal land03:28
LinuxJonesrjarrett, he must be on another machine since his network card is down :P03:28
rjarrettTrue my bad :(03:29
LinuxJonesI hope anyways :)03:29
LinuxJonesor it's re-boot time for him :D03:29
riley_LinuxJones, yeah ubuntu's on another comp03:30
riley_rjarret, thanks for that03:30
LinuxJonesriley_, I am not as dumb as I look :)03:30
defendguinugggg no 2.9.0 packages there03:30
Safari_Aldefendguin, then probably cvs03:31
defendguin:(03:31
riley_LinuxJones, lol, anyway, i had the same problem with ctrl+alt+f2... sudo -s just gave a blank line...03:31
rjarrettIt took me awhile to figure out ubuntu and getting to root. not used to the root account being disabled03:31
LinuxJonesriley_, yikes03:31
joemhttp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/gnome-icon-theme/2.9/03:31
defendguinoh i was looking in gnome/desktop03:32
LinuxJonesriley_, did you get any errors while installing ?03:32
riley_so do either of you know how I should go about fixing this?  i've already tried a reinstall of the entire os and that didn't work03:32
riley_LinuxJones, only network interface not found03:32
riley_which means that i don't have an up to date version03:33
LinuxJonesriley_, I think your in trouble, without termial access you cannot fix the problem unless you can login with say knoppix and edit some files manually 03:34
LinuxJonesriley_, you know the module that needs to get loaded for your nic ?03:35
riley_well i have a gentoo livecd, would that do the job?03:35
morteohthere should be a ubuntu-livecd.. :) (is it comming.. ?) :)03:36
LinuxJonesriley_, yes you have to mount the partition that has /etc directory on it and add the module name for your network card to /etc/modules so that it will load upon re-boot03:36
riley_LinuxJones, I'm not sure, but the chipset is VIA VT6120 GbE and another guy told me i needed via-v something lol and i tried it and then he told me i'd need to edit /etc/network/interfaces, but you can only do that with sudo03:37
riley_so mount /dev/hda1, right?03:38
LinuxJonesriley_, to load the module you need to add the correct module name to /etc/modules03:38
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LinuxJonesriley_, let me see if i can find the correct module for you..1 sec03:38
riley_LinuxJones, ok thanks03:39
waigourenhas anyone had success upgrading to a 686 kernel?03:40
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toyowheelinwhen the offical version of ubuntu comes out will there be a way to just upgrade to that or will it take a reinstall?03:43
wasabitoyowheelin: i shouldn't speak for them, but I would bet money on it just being an apt-get upgrade03:44
Hrdwr_BoBtoyowheelin: there is a clearly defined upgrade path03:45
waigourencould anyone possibly shed some light on why USB doesn't work after i upgrade to a 686 kernel?03:46
morteohwaigouren: misconfigured kernel ?03:46
LinuxJonesriley_, any info I find on that card points to the via-rhine module03:46
waigourenit's a pre-compiled thing, i dont know i did it through synaptic as per someone's guide03:47
LinuxJoneswaigouren, did you include support for your usb devices ?03:47
LinuxJonesoh03:47
waigoureneh03:47
toyowheelinok well thats good I guess03:47
waigourenmmmm03:47
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toyowheelinnot feeling like reinstalling03:48
LinuxJoneswaigouren, what is not working your mouse ?03:48
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waigourenmouse and keyboard mate03:48
riley_LinuxJones, so i just edit /etc/modules?03:48
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LinuxJonesriley_, yes jsut add via-rhind and re-boot and see what happens03:49
riley_ok cool i'll try that03:49
jlvia-rhine03:49
jlisnt it?03:49
LinuxJonesya03:49
LinuxJonesthat's it :P03:49
waigoureneverything else works fine, boots into gnome and all, but sans usb03:49
defendguinhmmmm03:50
defendguinwould ubuntu like an epittance package?03:50
LinuxJoneswaigouren, do a lsmod | grep usb 03:50
LinuxJoneswaigouren, does it output anything ?03:50
waigourenwell im using the stock i386 kernel now03:51
LinuxJonessame machine ?03:51
waigourenyes03:51
LinuxJonesmmm03:51
waigourenif i boot into the other kernel i cant use keyboard03:51
LinuxJonesouch03:52
waigoureni must be missing a usb package or something03:52
LinuxJoneswaigouren, the modules must not be available which is strange to say the least03:53
waigoureni've searched linux-restricted03:54
waigourencan't find anything relevant03:54
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LinuxJoneswaigouren, that is a definate bug you sould file a bug report on that03:56
Phr0stByteIn the "Input Methods" option in Gnome apps, I want to add another language. Does anyone know how to put that in?03:57
hristojr3anyone willing to help me get a higher screen resolution on my evo laptop?04:00
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LinuxJoneshristojr3, I do not have the energy right now, too much vodka :D04:02
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Drewsigh...04:02
hristojr3:) that's cool.04:02
Drewi got past 36%...it was a bad hard drive04:02
Drewbut now i either get errors of some sort04:03
cleeso has anybody made packages of the epittance stuff yet?04:03
Phr0stByteUbuntu really needs some utilities...04:08
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LinuxJonesPhr0stByte, what ones ?04:09
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DrewUbuntu needs to install on my hard drive like it did when i tested it in VMWare04:10
toyowheelinanyone here ever heard of an app called rpm2targz?04:10
LinuxJonesnope04:11
Drewbut in a preferrably faster manner04:11
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neighborleeone curious question regarding utilities...Ithought : applications:/// was suppose to work to edit ones menus ?...i'm unable atm to items to menu this way..is it broken atm?04:12
neighborleetoyowheelin, yes04:12
dolsonneighborlee: yo yo yo04:13
neighborleeheh is that you ;))))...long time no chat heh04:13
neighborleedolson, awaiting nwn2 ?<G>04:13
dolsonneighborlee: it's me :) help you my 'boy Phr0stByte with his Input Methods issue if you know how plz :)04:14
dolsonneighborlee: if nwn2 runs on Linux, sure, if not, here's hoping it's out for Xbox or Cube04:14
neighborleeheh04:14
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dolsonthat should say "help out" not "help you"04:14
dolsonneighborlee: so you're on Ubuntu now, or just chillin in here?04:15
neighborleehmm I didnt see his question sorry04:15
neighborleeinput method ?04:15
neighborleenm reading04:15
riley_LinuxJones, now my gentoo LiveCD isn't working anymore... i think i've got a bad motherboard or something, because all 3 distros i've tried haven't worked...04:16
burnerhey neighborlee... this mean you've dropped using morphix?04:16
neighborleedolson, im here for good yup04:16
neighborleedolson, found my perfect distro ;-0...debian apt ( not a mix either) and gnome is utopia heh04:17
dolsonneighborlee: cool. I'm still on Debian, I just recommend this distro to people04:17
LinuxJonesriley_, argh that sucks04:17
neighborleedolson,ah ic..yeah its a slick newbie distro as many things work nice out of the box and the installer is 'decent' I think with a gui one on the way ..04:17
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neighborleeburner, long time ago04:18
dolsonno need for gui, unless they keep the text option too, I like it04:18
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dolsonanyhow, I'm done work, so time to jet04:18
riley_LinuxJones, yeah, i seriously don't know what to do about it, i've got a brand new built computer with a mobo i can't exchange that doesn't work04:18
neighborleeburner, I had various problems that I just didnt have time to mess fixing but dont ask me what as I dont remember now LOL..partly I think it was being a mix of the varoius branches and it caused problmes..rough guess though04:18
LinuxJonesthere will be a text option for the installer but it will be gui based in the near future04:18
neighborleedolson, okie..nice seeing ya04:19
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Phr0stByteLinuxJone: Sorry - I was Googling. Japanese and Korean04:19
burnerso your ubuntu runs well neighborlee?04:19
LinuxJonesriley_,  were you messing around with settings in the system bios ?04:19
Phr0stByteLinuxJones: Sorry - I was Googling. Japanese and Korean04:19
LinuxJonesPhr0stByte, heh04:19
neighborleePhr0stByte, what are you trying to do...and where are you seeing this 'input methods' again ???04:19
riley_LinuxJones, yeah, I switched apic on and off and messed with a few other things to no success04:19
neighborleeburner, so far stable..no problems at all save firefox :(04:20
LinuxJonesriley_,  reset to your bios defaults only turn off plug and play 04:20
neighborleeburner, but its not ubuntu's fault..its firefox utility that updates itself somehow borked and Ican't run it anymore04:20
riley_LinuxJones, ok, i'll try that04:20
Phr0stByteneighborlee: open up gedit, right-click on the text area. Choose "Input Methods" on the drop down menu.04:21
neighborleeburner, if gives me a weird tiny'ish window...I even uninstalled/reinstalled and still problems04:21
burnerfirefox?04:21
burnerodd04:21
neighborleePhr0stByte, oh ic now..hmm no i'm afraid i've never had to do such a thing and I dont know what package it would be :(04:22
Phr0stByteneighborlee: Most Gnome apps have this option04:22
neighborleeic04:23
neighborleeburner, yup firefox04:23
Phr0stByteneighborlee: I believe if I add the locales to Ubuntu, they would get in the menu, but dont know how.04:24
Phr0stByteneighborlee: Ubuntu only gives you the choice of your default local04:24
neighborleeburner, i tried to update to newer version via its built in updater..and it totally borked it and any version i've tried to use.....I just get this weird small window with this inside:: title="&mainWindow.title;"-----------------^04:24
neighborleePhr0stByte, i've got default local and about ten others04:24
Phr0stByteneighborlee: Me too - but not the ones I need04:25
neighborleePhr0stByte, yeah04:25
neighborleePhr0stByte, might try searching for 'language' in synaptic04:25
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riley_LinuxJones, I reset defaults, same errors04:26
defendguinwhat the hell is libnautilus-extensions04:26
LinuxJonesriley_,  how new is your motherboard ?04:27
riley_LinuxJones, about a month and a half old04:27
neighborleePhr0stByte, or maybe 'localeconf' ..04:27
LinuxJonesriley_,  and you can't take it back ?04:27
riley_LinuxJones, no, i looked it up on newegg (where i bought it), and it says exchange for same item only04:28
helloHas anybody gotten a wacom tablet to work with Ubuntu?04:28
LinuxJonesriley_,  but it was working at some point ?04:28
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riley_LinuxJones, no, i have yet to get any distro up and running04:29
LinuxJoneshello, >> http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/index.php/howto/debwacom04:29
LinuxJonesriley_,  do you know if the mobo is brand new model or an older model ?04:30
akabigbroHas anyone had problems setting up a CD-Writer in Ubuntu? There are no proper scsi devices set up in the /dev dir.04:30
riley_LinuxJones, I think it was a mistake to go amd64 in the first place, i never had this much problem with a distro on my 32 bit system04:30
riley_LinuxJones, I think newer... it has amd64 support so it must be fairly new04:31
Hrdwr_BoBakabigbro: insmod sg04:31
akabigbroHrdwr_BoB: I have that module inserted04:32
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LinuxJonesriley_,  hold tight, amd64 support is alot slower give it a few weeks. What does google say about your mobo and linux ? 04:32
akabigbroHrdwr_BoB: woops, I guess I didn't...Thanks.04:32
Hrdwr_BoBnp :)04:33
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kremlynHas anyone here ever mounted a FAT formatted drive under Linux?04:35
kremlynI'm just wondering, what appears for user/group ownership?04:35
kremlyn(considering FAT has no concept of the two)04:35
LinuxJonesheh04:35
riley_LinuxJones, google doesn't have much to say except buy this motherboard, we swear it works on linux04:37
LinuxJonesriley_, read the discalimer in small print on bottom of page :D, maybe it is just defective send it back and get another what have you got to loose.04:40
akabigbroI am also having problems running the gnome-system tools like the user-admin and network-admin...I put the root password in and the program comes back with an error.04:40
LinuxJonesakabigbro, use your password for the account your logged into04:41
riley_LinuxJones, yeah, i guess it's worth a try04:41
LinuxJonesriley_, ya 04:41
akabigbroLinuxJones: my user account?04:41
LinuxJonesyes04:41
akabigbroLinuxJones: thanks again...04:42
LinuxJonesakabigbro, I got caught on that too ... Used to su not sudo :)04:42
akabigbroI didn't know that I had admin permissions04:42
burnerkremlyn: it has the permissions of the user that mounted it04:43
akabigbrooh, it uses sudo04:43
burnerkremlyn: usually you mount it as root... less you've edited /etc/fstab04:43
akabigbroduh...04:43
burnerkremlyn: man mount04:43
LinuxJonesheh04:43
riley_LinuxJones, thanks for your help though04:43
LinuxJonesriley_,  no problem GL04:43
kremlynburner: Okies, thanks :-)04:44
burneryou're welcome04:44
defendguinwould anyone like to try epittance?04:46
akabigbrodefendguin: what is that?04:48
defendguinakabigbro, look at planet gnome04:48
akabigbrok04:48
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DaNeonhi05:00
DaNeoni've a doubt05:00
DaNeoni recently installed ubuntu...05:00
DaNeonwhat do i have to do to run azureus on my box?05:01
mdzazureus requires a Java runtime05:03
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DaNeonyep05:03
dutchhello05:03
DaNeoni've downloaded the .bin from sun's site05:03
dutchjust booted Ubuntu an hour ago..05:03
DaNeoni tried the ./jre* but i doesn't let me run it05:03
DaNeonor can i simply install with synaptic "GNU Classpath modified to work with SableVM JVM"05:04
DaNeonmdz?05:05
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mdzI'm sorry, I can't walk you through it right now05:05
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_brandx_DaNeon: try chmod u+x file.bin , then sudo ./file.bin05:06
DaNeonno prob05:06
DaNeonthx05:06
DaNeonit worked!05:07
DaNeonthx05:07
_brandx_np05:07
DaNeoni think i installed in the wrong place05:10
DaNeonJava exec not found in PATH, starting auto-search...05:11
DaNeonls: /usr/java: No such file or directory05:11
DaNeonOOPS, unable to locate java exec in  /usr/java/  hierarchy05:11
DaNeonsorry05:11
DaNeonno flood 05:11
LinuxJonesDaNeon, locate java05:12
DaNeonin the azureus settings ?05:13
LinuxJonesDaNeon, no jsut type locate java in console05:13
DaNeonok05:19
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DaNeonwarning: locate: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory05:20
tsengDaNeon: run updatedb05:20
DaNeonk05:20
tsengit will take awhile05:20
LinuxJonesDaNeon, updatedb05:20
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DaNeoncan i move it from /home/neon/j2re1.4.2_05/bin to /usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2/bin/ ????05:23
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DaNeonany program like grip?05:28
DaNeonto rip my cds05:28
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defendguinDaNeon, sound juicer05:28
DaNeonvia synaptic?05:30
defendguinsure05:30
DaNeonits already installed05:30
DaNeonthx 05:31
defendguinyeah i figured it was05:31
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DaNeonwhere is the mp3 encoder for sound juicer?05:33
defendguingstreamer 05:34
DaNeonok thx05:34
defendguinget its mp3 component05:34
defendguinyou should rip to ogg anyway05:36
tsengunless you have an ipod..05:37
LinuxJonesApple doesn't support .ogg ?05:40
tsengno05:40
LinuxJonesThat is weak05:40
DaNeoni have a mp3 player05:42
DaNeoni need to rip to mp3 :S05:42
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defendguindamn epittence doesnt work05:43
defendguinthe eppitence server crashes05:43
defendguinspittence05:44
defendguinepittence05:44
mr_hataaag... powerpc iso is no good05:44
DaNeonhow can i enable the mp3 option in sound juicer?05:44
goatboyDaNeon: you need gstreamer-lame.05:44
mr_hatcant be burned on a powermac05:44
mr_hataaag05:44
DaNeonah ok.. 05:45
LinuxJonesDaNeon, doesn't grip do that for you ?05:45
tsengwhere is gstreamer-lame btw05:45
tsengits not in marrillat05:45
DaNeoni try to find grip in synaptic05:45
mr_hatanyone know what i can do?05:46
DaNeonbut it isn't there05:46
LinuxJonesDaNeon, you ned to add the universe repository05:46
LinuxJoneser need05:46
goatboytseng: I've never seen a package of it.05:48
goatboybut I've never looked too hard.05:48
mr_hatdisk utility just crashes on my g5 but only on powerpc iso of warty05:48
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DaNeonwhat is the url of the universal repository?05:50
elmayahehe05:51
elmayadescomenta wey del sources05:51
LinuxJonesadd >> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ main restricted universe  to /etc/apt/sources.list 05:51
LinuxJonesor you can use synaptic which might be easier05:51
DaNeoni'm using synaptics05:52
micXor just uncomment it05:52
DaNeonbut grip doesn't appear05:52
ubuntu-nubieei just installed ubuntu and i'm getting "destination host unreachable" just trying to ping my linux firewall, any ideas?05:52
LinuxJonesya jsut comment it05:52
danielsyou need to run 'update'05:52
DaNeonupdatedb05:52
DaNeon?05:52
elmayano wey...05:52
Phr0stByteneighborlee: Igot korean in (???) But having big trouble with japanese.05:52
crimsunlike micX said, it's already in /etc/apt/sources.list, but you need to uncomment it and run ``apt-get update''05:53
crimsunor run Update from within Synaptic05:53
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mr_hatanyone???05:53
DaNeonok05:53
DaNeoni got it05:53
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DaNeonjajaja05:54
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ubuntu-nubieenetwork help, anybody?  route -n looks fine....05:54
Phr0stByteAnyone know how to get japanese input support into Gnome?05:54
DaNeonc u later05:55
DaNeonthx everybody05:55
LinuxJonescya\05:55
ubuntu-nubieeand ifconfig looks fine05:56
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crimsunubuntu-nubiee: ip route05:56
ubuntu-nubieeand i've tried 2 different hubs, both work for 2 other boxes05:56
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ubuntu-nubieedefault via gw05:56
ubuntu-nubieelooks okay05:57
crimsunthat doesn't look okay05:57
Phr0stByteubuntu-nubie: dhcp?05:57
Phr0stByteubuntu-nubiee: dhcp?05:57
ubuntu-nubieeno static05:57
crimsunyou should have at least two lines05:57
ubuntu-nubieeyeah, 2 lines05:57
ubuntu-nubiee1st one looks okay too, here it is05:57
crimsunnext time please be explicit05:57
ubuntu-nubiee192.168.2.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.2.005:58
ubuntu-nubieesorry05:58
ubuntu-nubieedefault via 192.168.2.105:58
ubuntu-nubieedefault via 192.168.2.1 dev eth005:58
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crimsun"src 192.168.2.0" ?05:59
ubuntu-nubieeroute -n is just 2 lines, 192.168.2.0 and the default05:59
crimsunwhat's the interface's actual ip?05:59
ubuntu-nubieenope, sorry again05:59
ubuntu-nubiee192.168.2.805:59
ubuntu-nubieeit's src 192.168.2.805:59
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ubuntu-nubieeifconfig looks okay, but i don't know what driver it's using06:00
crimsunubuntu-nubiee: i presume pinging lo works just fine?06:01
ubuntu-nubieeyeah, lo and ping 192.168.2.8 -I eth0 are fine06:01
ubuntu-nubieetake that back, lo's not working06:02
crimsunping 127.0.0.1 or ping localhost don't work?06:02
ubuntu-nubieelo is fine06:02
ubuntu-nubieeyeah, it worked06:02
polokdoes anyone know if there's a module for a Netcomm NB1200 USB ADSL modem?06:02
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ubuntu-nubieethe card is a netgear fa-311, which used to have a couple hiccups with other distros (but that was a couple years ago)06:04
crimsunubuntu-nubiee: i believe that uses tulip.ko06:04
crimsunubuntu-nubiee: you should be able to verify from ``dmesg'' output06:04
ubuntu-nubieedmesg says natsemi, i think that's correct06:05
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ubuntu-nubieei've used that before06:05
crimsunok, it was either that or tulip06:06
crimsunthe 310-311 ones always confuse me06:06
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ubuntu-nubieeyeah, i've had issues with both of those06:06
crimsundmesg doesn't report any errors, correct?06:07
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ubuntu-nubieethere are a couple, but i don't think they are for the nic06:08
ubuntu-nubieeisa pcic probe: not found06:08
ubuntu-nubieedevice 'i823650' does not have release() function...06:09
ubuntu-nubieeand some hda DMA timeout stuff06:09
LinuxJonesnight all06:12
crimsunubuntu-nubiee: did you ever say which ip your other pc has?06:12
ubuntu-nubiee192.168.2.106:12
ubuntu-nubieethere are 2, i have a 192.168.2.2 as well06:13
ubuntu-nubieethey both can ping each other, but neither one can ping ubuntu06:13
ubuntu-nubieeis that what you mean?  which ip?06:13
crimsunwhat is 192.168.2.1's default gw?06:14
crimsunand 192.168.2.2's?06:14
ubuntu-nubiee2.1 is the gw and 2.2's is 2.106:14
crimsunhow are they physically connected?06:15
ubuntu-nubieejust a 10mbps hub06:15
crimsunall three nics are plugged into the hub?06:16
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ubuntu-nubieeyup, 3 lights on the hub06:16
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crimsunok, let's go ahead and try ruling out hardware (cabling) error06:17
crimsunswitch the cat506:17
ubuntu-nubieei had this computer working just fine on my LAN with mandrake10, that's why i'm pointing the finger at ubuntu06:17
ubuntu-nubieeyeah, tried that, i'm on my 3rd cable06:17
ubuntu-nubieeand my second hub06:18
crimsunwhen you issue a ping from the ubuntu box, does its led on the hub indicate activity?06:18
ubuntu-nubieei'm not sure it's ubuntu, just my best guess06:18
burnercan ubuntu ping itself?06:18
ubuntu-nubieeyup06:18
burnerit can't ping other machines?06:18
ubuntu-nubieeburner, yes lo and eth0 can ping themselves06:18
ubuntu-nubieeburner, exactly06:19
burnerdo other machiens have firewall of any sort?06:19
burnerand when you do a route command with no arguments, it looks right?06:19
ubuntu-nubieeyeah, my gw has a firewall, it's what i'm chatting on06:19
ubuntu-nubieeas far as i can tell06:19
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ubuntu-nubieejust localnet and default06:20
crimsundoes your firewall permit packets from only .2?06:20
ubuntu-nubieeno, its nice to 192.168.2.*06:20
crimsunok06:20
crimsunand your ubuntu nic has an irq assigned?06:21
ubuntu-nubieeroute doesn't include lo, but that isn't it, right?06:21
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crimsunthat's correct, it won't usually include lo06:21
ubuntu-nubieeyeah, irq 906:21
pyramidman i finally got xsane to work on 2.606:21
crimsunis it sharing irq 9 with any other devices?06:22
ubuntu-nubieehow do i check that?06:22
crimsun/proc/interrupts lists them06:22
burnerirq... aren't these pci devices?06:23
burnerthought irq was only issue on old isa hardware06:23
ubuntu-nubieeyup, pci06:23
ubuntu-nubieei don't have /proc/interrupts06:23
pyramidwhat is the package manager in ubuntu06:24
ubuntu-nubieeapt06:24
burnerpyramid: for a gui... use synaptic06:25
ubuntu-nubiee?06:25
crimsunpyramid: apt, synaptic, dselect, etc.06:25
pyramidoh ok they use synaptic..nice features06:25
crimsunubuntu-nubiee: no, certain devices are very picky about irqs06:25
burnerubuntu-nubiee: i really have no idea for more troubleshooting06:25
crimsunthis much we have learned through ALSA debugging06:25
burnerif it cna ping itself but not other machines... i'd look for firewall and gateway/netmask06:26
ubuntu-nubieethat's fine.  thank you so much for the advice.  06:26
ubuntu-nubieei'll keep at it for a bit longer.06:26
crimsundefinitely check the netmask06:26
pyramidit took 8 hours and lots of recompiling with certain use flags to get xsane working with kernel 2.6...but it does work06:26
ubuntu-nubieeyeah, netmask is fine06:26
pyramidalong with gimp206:26
ubuntu-nubieethanks again, i'll prolly try again with the next big version06:26
pyramidi sure miss the simple days when the kernel had scanner drivers06:27
burnergood luck ubuntu-nubiee 06:27
ubuntu-nubieethanks man06:27
ubuntu-nubieeyou too crimsun06:28
pyramidi am going to check out ubuntu when i get another machine06:28
pyramidi saw debian package tools on gentoo...so i guess they can port all the latest stuff to ubuntu06:29
fabbionemorning guys06:30
joempyramid, not quite what that package does06:30
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joemfabbione, morning06:30
crimsunmoin fabbione 06:31
pyramidjoem, well i am not sure but there were several debain package tools for gentoo so i guess certain people know how to use them to port all the latest stuff to ubuntu06:31
pyramidi am really not sure how debian creates those .deb files06:32
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joemhttp://packages.debian.org/unstable/base/debianutils.html06:33
joemdoesn't have anything to do with porting stuff06:33
joempyramid, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/06:33
joemthats how you create debs06:33
pyramidjoem the maint-guide is huge...what program do you execute on a tarball to create a .deb file06:37
joemits all explained in the guide06:37
pyramidjoem, well when i get time i will read it...i bookmarked it in epiphany 1.406:37
pyramidi am just happy i got xsane working today without a kernel scanner driver..which no longer exists06:38
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pyramidnext thing is i would like to get a camera working06:39
defendguinjoem, i got the epittance packages ready06:40
joemcool06:40
joemhows it work?06:41
defendguincrashes for me06:42
defendguinbut maybe im missing something06:42
joemheh06:43
defendguin http://nolamodchips.com/files/06:43
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jasona90anyone know where to Get BlackBox or FLux for Ubuntu06:44
jasona90or atleast one that works06:44
hellosudo apt-get install blackbox06:45
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jasona90oh lol it comes with it06:45
pyramiddoes anybody know if there is a dvdr patch for cdrtools-2.01...i only have one for cdrtools-2.01a3206:45
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defendguinjoem, let me know if it works for you06:45
hellojasona90: you have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list06:45
helloswitch to universe06:46
cefdly' tool like frontpage..06:46
cefargh!!06:46
cefdamn mouse06:46
pyramidcef what is wrong with your mouse...mine works ok since i got rid of nvidia glx and went to hardware glx06:47
jasona90hello: how do i switch to universe what is that06:47
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hellojasona90: read /etc/apt/sources.list06:47
cefpyramid: shitty touchpad that is too sensitive in front of my lappy keyboard06:48
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DaNeonhi... how can a open file manager as root? sudo ______?06:48
jasona90ahh k ty06:48
pyramidcef, well there are some settings in xorg.conf that might help that  a bit06:48
cefpyramid: yeah I know.. I really should just disable the trackpad..06:49
pyramidDaNeon, you have to be a member of sudo users06:49
pyramidcef, well my mouse works better since i went to hardware glx06:49
DaNeonthe user you create when you install ubuntu isn't a member?06:49
cefdon't even have glx on this machine.. no gl support on this chipset06:50
pyramidDaNeon, it has been a while but i think you need to add yourself to sudousers somewhere..try the man pages06:50
jasona90anyone know a good FAQ for Iptables06:50
DaNeonok06:51
pyramidi just want to get a camera working...with the mfc epson printer/scanner/copier06:51
DaNeoncan i set my user to root group or is it too dangerous????06:52
pyramidat least the epson works...i never could get HP or Brother mfc printers to work.06:52
pyramidbut the epson does not have built-in fax so i guess i will have to use the old modem approach with efax-gtk06:53
pyramidi used to have efax working years ago06:53
pyramidDaNeon, no...just put you in sudousers it is a config file somewhere..read the man pages on sudo06:55
DaNeonok06:55
pyramidDaNeon, i just don't remember those details from long ago...or else i would tell you exactly..but read the man pages it is not too hard.06:56
joemdefendguin, you have howl and all that set up right?06:56
defendguini have howl installed06:56
defendguinsetup i dont know06:56
joemhave it running and all that06:56
joemIt requires a working howl configuration, which means at least nifd and mDNSResponder must be running.06:56
defendguini dont even have nifd06:57
pyramidi finally got a compile on glom....man that was a pain...i don't know how the author compiled it because i had to edit many files and include headers...but anyway it is quite nice...but has a few bugs06:58
pyramidit is nice to have a free database designer for GNU/Linux06:59
joemdefendguin, it is part of howl07:00
defendguini do have howl installed07:00
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pyramiddoes ubuntu have a package already to go for glom07:02
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defendguinjoem, you get it working?07:07
joemdefendguin, didn't try07:09
pyramidwhat is howl..it that the old zeroconfig type stuff07:09
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q2ANyone know of a good (Free) proxy for Linux?????07:26
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danielsq2: squid07:28
q2easy to use?07:30
joebeastiethere is a webim interface for it as well07:30
joebeastieit is fairly easy07:31
q2awesome07:31
q2thanks07:31
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q2aight, i apt-got squid, it says its runnig, but how do i configure it?????07:38
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q2How do i configure squid???????07:42
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|trey|q2, umm, dude, thats kinda a wide question... people have written papers on that probably... man squid is a good place to start... as is google... I don't think IRC is a good place though...07:47
|trey|If you need clarification of something, come back... 07:47
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monkeyc-unbsquid has a massive range of configuration options - there are some good how to's out there if you google for them07:49
helloHi, I need some help with ubuntu. The system just completely froze up so I rebooted.07:50
helloNow X won't start07:50
helloit has to do with nvidia glx or something and I forget how to set that up07:50
pyramidq2, that is like asking how to configure postgresql...i already have an 600 page manual on just that alone07:50
q2I JUST WANT TO MASK MY IP!07:51
hellocan somebody tell me how to set up nvidia-glx?07:51
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spooky1hi07:51
joemq2, please don't shout07:51
helloand how to configure X with dpkg07:52
hello(I forget and I'm in the console)07:52
pyramidhello, there are docs at nvidia's website on setting all the symlinks for nvidia glx...but it is fairly detailed07:52
helloI can't remember how I did it but it was fairly simple07:52
hellolike "apt-get install nvidia-glx" and some other crap07:52
pyramidhello, it took me several hours to set nvidia glx symlinks properly07:52
spooky1does any one has installed XP on master primary ide hd and wartydog on slave primary ide and the used grub???07:53
spooky1i like to know how i should install Grub 07:53
spooky1when the installation it almos finish07:54
spooky1finished07:54
defendguinhey how come nifd isnt in howl in ubuntu?07:54
pyramidspooky1, no everybody keeps secondary unused...it is for ghosting the primary and mass duplication for hardware manufacturers07:54
spooky1it asks where to install the grub MBR o where07:54
spooky1ok i got it07:54
giorsatfor anybody who uses a wireless card using prism2 driver (wlan-ng driver). after 2 days of trouble I dscovered that after installing the linux wlan-ng packages I had to add the line wireless_mode managed in etc/network/interface to get access to my access point in addition to change the line is ad hoc with "n" in /etc/wlan/config-"mylane" files. everythin is ok now. hope it helps someone07:55
pyramidspooky1, you see when you get a primary all configured and everything...then you add a secondary drive and ghost the primary and then put the secondary drive in another computer as a primary drive07:55
spooky1yes to clone the installation07:56
pyramidspooky1, that way you can sell expensive configured computers without any expense07:56
spooky1ok07:56
spooky1but my problem is that I want ubuntu linux installed on Slave primary hdd and keep xp on master primary hdd07:57
spooky1because my girl prefers winblows07:57
spooky1but i need both OS07:57
pyramidspooky1, don't waste secondary..put both on primary07:57
pyramidspooky1, that way you can ghost when you want07:58
Hrdwr_BoBthere's no reason he can't do what he wants07:58
Hrdwr_BoBput grub on the first drive07:58
Hrdwr_BoBit can still chainload windows07:58
Hrdwr_BoBthen ask your gf WTF she needs windows07:58
Hrdwr_BoBbecause odds are, she doesn't07:58
spooky1but it overwrites MBR and then XP wont boot07:58
Hrdwr_BoBspooky1: XP boot is on it's partition07:58
Hrdwr_BoBnot the MBR07:58
Hrdwr_BoBthe MBR simply looks for the partition marked 'boot'07:59
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spooky1ok 07:59
spooky1well but where else I can install GRUB instead hda and MBR08:00
spooky1_08:00
spooky1?08:00
pyramidspooky1, there have been reports of xp eating partitions made by fdisk...so some people use the NT bootloader instead of grub08:01
burnerNT Bootloader can't load linux... afaik08:01
spooky1yes that right 08:01
pyramidburner, well i have heard people doing it although i don't know how myself08:01
spooky1but i found that i can08:01
spooky1copying the 512kb boot area of  linux to c08:02
spooky1to add to ntloader08:02
burnerhuh... wonders never cease08:02
burnerwhy not just use grub anyway?08:03
burneror lilo08:03
burnerjust default it to windows for your gf08:03
spooky1let explain what happens08:03
pyramidburner, because xp eats the partitions08:03
burnerxp eats partitions?08:03
burnerwtf are you talking about?08:03
spooky1i installed XP on C: and ubuntu on hdb108:03
pyramidburner, yes there are many reports of xp eating partitions made by fdisk08:03
spooky1then08:03
spooky1ntloader doesnt works08:04
Hrdwr_BoBusint the NT bootloader is a retarded idea08:04
burnergood call08:04
burnerjust install grub to the mbr08:04
burnerand be happy08:04
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burnerxp eats partitions.... i doubt it08:04
burneri run xp and ubuntu08:04
spooky1to make the ntloader works i have to copy a  part of the boot to c08:04
burnerand xp and debian08:04
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burnerand a box with xp and morphix08:04
pyramidburner, i did not make the reports i only read them on slashdot a while back08:04
burneri think the slashdot thing you read was that xp was being wiped out by the fedora install08:05
spooky1but the ububtu installation doesn let me install grub on hdb because when I do that ubuntu doest works08:05
burnerspooky1: why not use the mbr?08:05
pyramidburner, no they said xp eats partitions and they wished they had a newer version of fdisk08:05
spooky1because it doesn't let me start xp08:05
burnerwhat?08:06
spooky1yes08:06
burneryou can't edit your grub menu to allow xp booting?08:06
lothariothey meant to say xp eats s**t, but it got changed by the editors08:06
burner;)08:06
pyramidlothario, that is funny08:06
spooky1O:-)08:06
burnerseriously... i run grub with xp and linux on many computers perfectly fine08:07
spooky1but its xp on hda and linux on hdb?08:07
pyramidburner, well so did many others until one day xp ate their partition08:07
burneri've done this for a long time08:08
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wobblerhttp://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/grub-w2k-HOWTO.html08:08
deFryskhdb = prim.slave08:10
spooky1WOBBLER i tried that but when i reinstalled ubuntu and ask me where to install GRUB i tried to install it on /dev/hdb1 to do what the HOWTO explains saving c:\linux.bin08:10
pyramidwobbler, good reference..maybe this is what all those complaints were about08:11
spooky1but then linux doesn boot08:11
Treenaksuh08:11
burnerlinux.bin?08:11
Treenaksthis looks like you're booting linux from the Windows bootloader, not booting both from Grub08:11
burnerwtf08:11
burnerinstall grub to the mbr08:11
burnerbreak out a linux boot disk... chroot to your ubuntu install08:11
burnerrun the grub-install command to get it on your mbr08:12
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Treenaksit is... just as easy as adding a "other" entry to menu.lst08:12
Treenaksthere's even an example entry in the default menu.lst!08:13
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spooky1i found this08:14
spooky1http://www.users.bigpond.com/pclim/help-desk/dual-boot/dual-boot.html08:14
Treenaksspooky1: you don't need to find anything, you just need to read the config file in /boot/grub/menu.lst08:15
Treenaksthat explains everything08:15
Treenaksyou don't want to dual-boot with ntloader.. what if you decide to get rid of windows?08:16
spooky1yes i understand what the menu.lst explains but why doesn boot my ubuntu installation then08:16
wobbleryeah the config file has good examples that work for most cases08:16
Treenaksspooky1: because you should install GRUBs mbr08:17
burneru installed grub to /dev/hdb08:17
Treenaksspooky1: (only necesary once)08:17
burnernot the mbr08:17
Treenaksburner: /dev/hdb is an mbr.. just on the wrong disk08:17
deFrysk:D08:17
spooky1ok let me try it again and IBRB08:17
burnergood call ;)  sorry08:18
spooky1O:-)08:18
burnermbr on first hard disk :)08:18
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spooky1thanx 08:18
deFryskthe deafault in install08:18
burnerless you can tell your bios to boot from hdb208:18
spooky1i tried that and wwhen it boots grub and select ubuntu it shows error 708:19
Treenaksburner: most bioses can only boot from disks (disk1, disk2) not partitions08:19
spooky1yes08:19
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Treenaksspooky1: you should of course update your menu.lst to reflect the real locations of your partitions08:19
spooky1well thanx to all of u08:19
spooky1i ll be right back in 20 min08:20
jamesdornAnyone know what's up with the mac image?08:20
jamesdornI cannnot seem to burn it with disk-utility08:20
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burnerrrrrrrrrrright... i'm off tonight... i meant just hdb ;)08:20
jamesdornif it's mounted... the disk-utility application wont launch correctly08:20
jamesdornand if i burn it with Toast... the install doesnt work right.08:20
spooky1see ya in a few moments to 08:21
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q2Whats a good proxy besides squid (it was Not really letting me do what the document sayd) that can mask my IP?08:21
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monkeyc-unbanyone got any idea if lifearea or straw may make it into universe soonish ?08:21
jamesdornAny clues? I have tried this on multiple macs.... have tried downloading VIa the torrent, and the iso strait from the ftp08:21
monkeyc-unbreally dont want to have to add unstable to my sources list just to get it08:22
burnermonkeyc-unb: just download the .debs for them then :)08:23
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monkeyc-unboh i could do that couldnt i..08:23
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monkeyc-unbsunday afternoon braindeath :)08:23
burnergood luck...  straw has never worked right for me08:24
jamesdornAnyone have any clues on my problem?08:24
burnermac image... no idea08:25
monkeyc-unbim going to try lifearea before straw i think08:25
jamesdornoverall... frustrating... =)08:25
pampahi, I have a problem with my keyboard and I want to know if anyone has it too08:25
pampamy keyboard has an english layout08:26
jamesdornburner: do you know how to select the network-installer?08:26
pampaand I can't make it work with accents08:26
pampaanyone experienced the same?08:26
wobblerburner hopefully spooky1 will read the menu.list and will see what it should be08:28
wobblerheh08:28
burnernetwork-installer?  nope08:29
burnerwobbler: all he has to do is hit yes yes ok, next, next, finish and it should be good ;)08:30
wobbleryup08:30
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crimsunthere are quite a few here08:32
joemthey are always here, or responding to the list08:33
pyramiddoes anybody know what package xml2pot would be found in08:33
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mdzpyramid: poxml08:34
pyramidi keep having failed compiles every now and then because of missing binaries08:34
pyramidmdz, thanks let me go compile it08:34
joemsee, devs are always around when you need em08:34
mdzpyramid: you shouldn't need to compile it; .debs are in universe08:34
omlucehi everyone!08:35
pyramidmdz, i am on gentoo...so i have different libraries than everyone else...therefore it is best for me to try and conmpile08:35
mdzah08:35
defendguinwhy is in here a bunch of howl packages available on apt but no nifd?08:36
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mdzdefendguin: howl is a Hoary project08:36
defendguin:(08:36
omlucedoes ubuntu support nForce Chipset and winmodems?08:36
defendguinim trying to build epittance08:36
crimsunomluce: if the kernel does, then Ubuntu does. It certainly supports nforce.08:37
defendguinand i built it but cant run it because of a lack of nifd08:37
pyramidomluce you can get the packages nforce-net and hsflinmodem from gentoo and compile them for ubuntu08:37
pyramidomluce, they are fairly recent packages08:38
crimsunwhy nforce-net? support for that is already in the kernel.08:38
crimsun'forcedeth'08:38
tvon|x31defendguin: I got it built..had to suck a few packages from unstable08:38
pyramidcrimsun, these are updated modules08:38
tvon|x31well, I built them from unstable08:38
tvon|x31defendguin: though I dont recall any nifd thing...what provides that?08:38
joemthe howl package should08:39
defendguinits supposed to be in howl08:39
defendguinbut it coulc be in its own packaged08:39
tvon|x31hrm08:39
defendguincould08:39
tvon|x31I have it08:39
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omluceugh! I see08:40
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omlucenewer kernel has already suport for GART too08:41
omlucegreat!08:41
tvon|x31ah, peculiar08:41
tvon|x31defendguin: yeah, I have it on my laptop but I think I built it (whatever provides nifd) on here, its not form a package08:42
tvon|x31I built epitance on my desktop which has no nifd08:42
tvon|x31which might explain why my cpu hits 80% when I try to share something...08:43
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burneranyone out there have a centrino and use the ipw2100 module?08:48
tvon|x31defendguin: did you file a bug?08:48
pyramidthe best understanding i have is that poxml is inside kdesdk...i guess i have to compile the whole thing08:48
defendguinnah i never got evrything it needed08:48
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tvon|x31hrm08:53
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defendguinany epittance package should require nifd and mDNSRepeater.  a mistake i made when building epittance08:56
defendguinnight08:57
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tvon|x31'nifd -d' spits a lot of errors from my source install....not going to bother with a bug report since it seems busted upstream09:06
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zenwhenhas anyone had an issue where gedit just refuses to save naything09:09
zenwhenanything*09:09
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burnernope zenwhen 09:12
zenwhenwell09:13
zenwhenit stopped being able to save anything as a user09:13
zenwheneven to dirs I can write to with any other app09:13
zenwhenits weird09:13
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pyramidzenwhen, gedit has been working fine here for many months...i don't know why yours won't save...have you run out of inodes or something09:15
zenwhenas I said I can save eith any other app09:16
zenwhenwith*09:16
zenwhenIts weird09:16
jmhodgesok, anyone know a repo with gstreamer0.8-lame?09:16
pyramidzenwhen, that is weird...do you have the latest glib,glibc,pango,orbit,and all the gnomelibs09:16
zenwhenIt randomly stopped working09:17
zenwhenIt worked an hour ago09:17
pyramidzenwhen, that is weird09:17
zenwhenyeah09:17
zenwhenblowing it away and reinstalling didnt help09:17
pyramidzenwhen, how does gvim and scite ..do they save ok09:17
zenwhenYes09:17
zenwhenEverything else saves ok09:18
pyramidzenwhen, very strange...i would try to recompile it09:18
pyramidafter you make sure you have all the latest libraries09:18
zenwhenI dont want to make system wide sweeping changes because an app broke.09:19
zenwhenIll just switch09:19
zenwhenTo a different editor09:19
zenwhenIf an app breaks its not worth using.09:19
pyramidzenwhen, well you must keep up to date on the libraries because for example glibc went to native posix threads instead of linux threads which are much much faster09:20
zenwhenThat will just break more apps.09:20
zenwhenI nee my system to run. Not run faster.09:21
zenwhenneed*09:21
pyramidyes it will break all your apps but you can recompile them09:21
zenwhenbah09:21
zenwhennot worth the hassle09:21
pyramidzenwhen, ok in that case just use gvim...it is nice and has a lot of plugins09:21
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opimorning09:23
tvon|x31You shouldnt need to recompile anything... if you are using Ubuntu packages and the error shows up, you should either 1) wait till there are some developers around and ask again or 2) send a note to the ubuntu-dev list09:23
tvon|x31zenwhen: ^^09:24
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zenwhenI had to recompile gail09:34
zenwhenand libgail09:34
zenwhenthat fixed it09:34
pyramidzenwhen, way to go..you are learning how to fix any problems you may come across09:37
opizenwhen: next, find out how to create .debs and you're home :)09:39
zenwhenComing from slackware, I can usually solve all of my problems. I sometimes look for a quick fix by asking others though.09:41
opizenwhen: im typing from slackware now :)09:41
zenwhen.debs probably arent as easy to creat as .tgz slackpaks.09:42
zenwhencreate*09:42
zenwhencheckinstall is sweet09:42
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opizenwhen: but they are not as chard :)09:42
opihard ;)09:42
zenwhenhow do you create a deb then?09:42
zenwhenIs it harder than "checkinstall"09:42
opizenwhen: try it :) http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/09:43
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pyramidman this kdesdk3.3 is taking a long time to compile..i sure hope i get xml2pot out of it09:46
opicompiling anything with KDE as prefix takes up some time ;)09:48
opionce, for fun, my sysadmin put Gentoo on PII/300 and add some desktop stuff (xorg, kde;-)09:49
opiit took 3 days or so to compile ;p09:49
pyramidopi, yes it does indeed...but glom took me over 18 hours...it was the most difficult because i had to add headers to many files that would not compile....i don't know how the author ever compiled it09:49
opipyramid: thing I hate it to fix typos in stable releases :(09:49
joemglom and its deps aren't stable releases09:50
opipyramid: I understand that when I getting CVS version it can be broken09:50
pyramidopi, well i don't care for any stable releases...they are too old to be of any use....i am trying to create a useable desktop os that is free09:50
pyramidopi, well yes many cvs versions have problems compiling...but you can usually get many others working09:51
opihttp://akson.sgh.waw.pl/~chopin/irc/fan1.txt :)09:52
monkeyc-unbit always interests me the differences in peoples philosihpies09:53
monkeyc-unbi want a useable desktop but i dont mind stable as much09:53
pyramidok i finally got xml2pot...and now i got a good compile on digikam....that is my next project...to try and get cameras working for a useable desktop os09:54
monkeyc-unbbut i dont want clutter and 10'000 apps. Perhaps thats why I like ubuu09:54
monkeyc-unbbah my typing09:54
pyramidmonkeyc-unb, well so far i only have about 30gigs of binaries for the desktop os....it is a few apps but many people will need them09:55
monkeyc-unbvery true09:55
joemonly 30 gigs?09:55
monkeyc-unbi like the debian approach with the ability to select what you want on top of a base09:55
toyowheelinhaha thats funny...Im generating an 8192bit dsa ssh keyset09:56
joem30 gigs is huge for bunarys09:56
pyramidmonkeyc-unb, for example even with openoffice you don't get a database like MS Access...so i got glom working somewhat09:56
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joemooh that was bad spelling09:56
monkeyc-unbmind you i have been running unstable before ubuntu09:56
ceftoyowheelin: bit small, isn't it?09:56
joembinaries *09:56
toyowheelinlol my pc is chewing on it09:56
monkeyc-unbpyramid, i see what you mean and i can appreciate the work you guysss dedicate to it09:56
pyramidjoem, not really joem when you consider that ooffice takes 100megs just by itself09:56
monkeyc-unband it means choice for us on the front end not bloat like mandrake09:57
pyramidjoem, and mozilla takes another 30megs09:57
toyowheelincef I wanted to see what the MAX dsa key sise was09:57
pyramidjoem, the binaries add up fast09:57
opiuh, compiling Mozilla && OO.org it's painful :/09:57
toyowheelin*size09:57
joempyramid, thats a bad example because average biary size is usually <10megs09:57
joembinary* damn09:57
ceftoyowheelin: heh.. I remember generating 4096 bit rsa keys for auth use with ipsec, and breaking a lot of vendor implementations that wouldn't do more than 2048 (this was when the usual size was 512 bits)09:58
pyramidsome of them are huge...and for example glom ..while it is not big it takes many many dependencies some of which are very big09:58
joemall the gnome libs are less then 200 megs09:58
monkeyc-unbits the package combinations that get me, the sheer number needed to get a working system.  I take my hat off to anyone who rolls their own, i just dont have the patience09:58
toyowheelinlol cef ssh-keygen process is using 98% of my processor09:59
joemA full ubuntu desktop install asks for 1.8 gigs09:59
joemso 30 gigs is a bit too much09:59
ceftoyowheelin: you sound like you need the flog command09:59
pyramidand scribus, evolution, qcad, mathcad, gphoto2, gtkcam, gtk-efax. and so on...it all adds up fast09:59
toyowheelinflog?09:59
monkeyc-unbjoem but what about when people want KDE not gnome or koffice etc.. i can see how it adds up09:59
joemto 30 gigs?10:00
joemgnome and kde combined would be under a gig10:00
monkeyc-unbbut thats just one example.10:00
joembut those would be the biggest examples, and they are 1/30th of the total10:00
ceftoyowheelin: http://linux.about.com/od/funnymanpages/a/funman_flog.htm10:01
pyramidand that is just a few...that doesn't count..knoda,krita,gaim,gnome-meeting,ogre,blender,povray,python,perl,ruby, and so on and so on10:01
monkeyc-unbconsider as windows network alone - my sources drive with all the installs we use or support is 50gb in size.  Admittedly you are talking several thousand users but the point is the same10:01
pyramidbut when you are building a desktop...you must take on MS and have a compeitive system...and MS has lots and lots of programmers writing all the desktop apps10:02
monkeyc-unbthen again maybe us windows admins are used to bloat :)10:02
joemstill, 30 gigs..10:02
joemall of those apps come on one suse dvd for example10:02
joemwhat is that 4.9 gigs or something10:02
pyramidit adds to 30 gigs of executables very very quickly10:02
monkeyc-unbumm not all the apps in the 30gig10:02
monkeyc-unbthats all the apps suse ship, which is their choice10:03
joemwhat are you counting in the 30 gigs?10:03
joemanything you have mentioned is on that dvd10:03
joemand I doubt you have another 20 something gigs worth of random stuff installed10:03
monkeyc-unbthe difference is between suse and debian - the package management means an app has to be in the repository which means a large repository unlike RPMS which are all over the place10:03
sabdflmonkeyc-unb: you can install ubuntu in a minimalist fashion (base only) then add the bits you want too10:03
joemunless it is a bunch of games like unreal or something10:04
pyramidwell yes..i did not even mention kiso , kopete, and many utilities10:04
monkeyc-unbdiff is apt works pretty much every time whereas RPM's are flaky, its what you chose i suppose10:04
pyramidand xbox-iso-manager10:04
toyowheelinlol no I dont need flog...I just need to let it crunch numbers10:04
sabdfljust type "custom" at the CD boot prompt10:04
sabdfland you'll end up with kernel, shell, network tools, diagnostics etc.10:04
monkeyc-unbsabdfl, i know :) persoanally i think the size is fine to be honest10:04
sabdflok10:04
monkeyc-unbi rung ubuntu on a 6gb hdd which is never going to fill, my winxp box meanwhile has a 15gb c part which is 60% full, and i can do almost everything on ubuntu i do on it10:05
pyramidand i did not mention any of the several dvd players10:05
joemyou know all of these apps are around a few megs10:06
pyramidor music players or sound synthesizers or speech recognition systems10:06
joemnothing close to adding up to 30 gigs10:06
monkeyc-unbpersonally coming from the windows world as i do i find linux apps small10:06
joemfor binarys10:06
toyowheelinI think 32768bit is the highest you can go10:06
monkeyc-unbim used to 10-15mb downloads in windows for pretty much anything now, linux apps dont normally approach that with some exceptions10:06
pyramidjoem, just remember that MS has thousands of programmers around the globe constructing a desktop with Nero,isobuster,all kinds of stuff and Linux must be competitive..to be a desktop os10:07
ceftoyowheelin: wonder how many implementations allow that size.. *grin*10:07
joemI don't understand what that has to do with a desktop install using 30 gigs worth of binaries10:07
monkeyc-unbpyramid, would i be wrong in thinking a large part of apps management is the many libraries that need to be there as well?10:07
toyowheelinssh10:07
toyowheelinhehe10:07
pyramidit adds up fast...and i did not even mention any of the many p2p apps10:07
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pyramidmonkeyc-unb, yes the latest libraries come first10:08
joembut all of these apps come in ~2meg packages usually10:08
monkeyc-unbjoem the install doesnt its the repository.  what you could download not what you need10:08
monkeyc-unbin other words theres 30gb of choices and options10:08
pyramidjoem, yes but there are thousands of them for the MS desktop10:08
natehmm10:08
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cefmust admit that the repositories could do with a bit of sectioning10:08
joemmonkeyc-unb, earlier he said he needed 30 gigs worth of binaries for a desktop install10:08
nateUSB doesn't seem to be working for me. Wonder why.10:08
monkeyc-unband the stuff for windows is not stored in one place.10:08
toyowheelincef, my computer is angry at me now I think cuz I am making it do 32768bit keys10:08
monkeyc-unbjoem ahh no he said so far he had 30gigs of binaries for the desktop not that he needed 30gigs :)10:09
pyramidmonkeyc-unb, no but people can acquire these things if they choose to do so with the MS desktop system10:09
monkeyc-unbpyramid, true they can.10:09
pyramidmonkeyc-unb, that is why MS has a monopoly on desktops10:09
monkeyc-unbpesonally i love apt and would love something like it on windows.. not managed by ms of course10:09
monkeyc-unbwell its one of the reasons pyramid, i honestly dont think the only one these days.10:10
natehmm10:10
monkeyc-unbbut a big one.10:10
pyramidmonkeyc-unb, but Linux is becoming competitive.10:10
nateI'm sure someone could arrange tht10:10
ceftoyowheelin: you let it get away with too much free wheeling.. it needs to be taught a lesson.. it's a computer, it should be more submissive.. flog it!10:10
monkeyc-unblinux is getting there fast to my mind10:10
nateyou can get Free Software collections for Windows on CD now10:10
joemok, he said he had 30 gigs and that is was rather small..I don't understand how you take up 30 gigs with these binaries10:10
toyowheelinlol10:10
joemwith the examples given anyways10:10
natewouldn't think it would be that hard to make a server install for that kind of stuff10:10
toyowheelincef I need to make use of that 64bit processor10:11
monkeyc-unbthe ui is still inconstent in linux and there are still many annoyances (CUPS anyone :) ) but compared to 6 years ago its mind blowing10:11
micXmonkeyc-unb, cups rocks!10:11
monkeyc-unbyou can use a linux box as an everyday computer now which i love.  windows is my job and i dont want to play with it for fun (who does)10:11
cefcups is good, the docs need improving10:11
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monkeyc-unblol micX it rocks when it works :)10:11
pyramidjoem, well i backed up sources to dvd's and deleted them and also tmp files, and df reveals almost 30gigs of binaries10:11
cefas do some of the tools. the interfaces imply different meanings than what they actually do sometimes (eg: user access)10:12
monkeyc-unbnow all we need is USB to work as well on linux as it does on windows and all will rock :)10:12
micXmonkeyc-unb, you should see the look on mac osx ppl when I fix their printers in their web browser.10:12
monkeyc-unbcef its inconstient standards really, but the maturing linux community is starting to work on it now, will take time10:13
toyowheelincef off the top of your head do you know what encription ssh v2 uses to form the tunnel?10:13
monkeyc-unbmicX, lol i can imagine10:13
danielstoyowheelin: dsa, iirc10:13
toyowheelin:/10:13
toyowheelinhumm10:14
Treenaksdaniels: not 3des?10:14
q2Ummm, im trying to install Pogo, and it says i dont have Imlib1, but the apt-get says i do10:14
ceftoyowheelin: depends totalyl on what each underlying end supports.. it's negotiated at startup time.. most new versions seem to use AES10:14
toyowheelin128bit?10:14
q2Is it safe to remove Imlib then install it again?10:14
monkeyc-unbwe use a lot of citrix via CSG and its great to be able to use a bootable linux minimal install and be able to work on a full desktop.  saves a pile on costs10:14
cefdaniels: dsa = authentication algorithm, not encryption10:14
danielscef: oh, right10:15
monkeyc-unbq2 it should be safe, do it through synaptic is my advice10:15
danielsyeah, there are about 10 encryption algorithms most implementations support10:15
q2synaptic?10:15
danielsbut iirc 3des is the most common, and blowfish is in there, too10:15
micXmonkeyc-unb, what's CSG?10:15
ceftoyowheelin: nfi.. prolly 256 bit10:15
monkeyc-unbCitrix Secure Gateway10:15
toyowheelinoh10:15
toyowheelinthats cool10:15
q2monkeyc-unb, Synaptic?10:15
ceftoyowheelin: 'ssh -v user@host' and see!10:16
toyowheelinI should find a way to "overclock" that 10:16
toyowheelinhehe10:16
micXq2, are you installing or compiling?10:16
monkeyc-unbq2 - computer>system configuration>synaptic package manager 10:16
q2im confused10:17
q2where is synaptic?10:17
monkeyc-unbthere is a fix broken packages option that works10:17
micXq2, if you are compiling, you might just need imlib1-dev or something?10:17
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monkeyc-unbon the top menu bar see computer ?10:17
cefdaniels: btw: I have been reading 'Practical Cryptography' lately.. very good book10:17
q2what menu bar?10:17
q2im not using gnome10:17
monkeyc-unbok10:17
danielscef: Practical, or Applied?10:17
cefdaniels: practical..10:18
danielsahr10:18
danielsnot read that one10:18
micXq2, command-line?10:18
q2i think i can fix this10:18
monkeyc-unbq2 there is an apt command to fix broken packages, i cannot remember it, it has worked well in the past for me10:18
q2i dont think its broken10:18
micXq2 apt-get update10:18
q2i did that along time ago10:18
cefdaniels: focuses on building a systemm from scratch, and how they come about the decisions in each case, some with backup methods10:18
micXq2, apt-get upgrade10:18
q2i think i can get this to work10:19
q2did that also10:19
q2its not broken10:19
q2i am working this out10:19
micXq2, to remove a package, apt-get remove packagename10:19
q2i nkow10:19
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danielscef: oh, nice10:19
nategoodness10:19
spooky1Hi all10:20
nateI just did a dist-upgrade10:20
micXq2, good to apt-get -s remove packagename to see what else it will take out.10:20
q2ello10:20
nateand it looks like there's 11 MB of updates since yesterday10:20
q2i sayd im workin this out10:20
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cefdaniels: just got thru the section on random number generation .. very decent way of explaining it, and how to avoid some of the common pitfalls10:21
spooky1my pc with ubuntu hangs on power down, is it a fix to this?10:21
q2micX, the dev thing you sayd worked10:22
q2my program installed10:22
q2thanks10:22
cefspooky1: what's the last thing it says?10:22
micXq2np. glad tohelpafellow ubuntuer :)10:22
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danielscef: nice!10:25
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ashganhi10:43
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q2Hello10:55
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paueassweet.. so how do i install gnome? apt-get install ____ ?10:56
tuppagnome10:56
tuppa:)10:56
tuppaI think10:56
paueasnope10:56
paueasthat doesn't work10:56
Treenakspaueas: gnome is installed by default?10:56
paueaswell.. its just haning10:57
Treenakspaueas: "hanging"? where?10:57
paueasright at the ubuntu splash screen just before you would expect things to start happening10:57
Treenakspaueas: have you tried starting a "Failsafe xterm" session, and running gnome-session from that to see if there are any error messages?10:58
Mithrandirpaueas: do you have a sound card?10:58
paueasyeah10:58
paueasyes i have a sound card10:58
Mithrandirok; do you know if it's detected?10:58
paueasand no i haven't tried failsafe eterm10:58
Treenakspaueas: try that.. it might give you a clue on where the problem lies10:59
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paueasi doubt it since im getting beeps instead of soudns10:59
subterrificTreenaks: no, this is a known problem10:59
Treenakssubterrific: oh ok10:59
paueasyeah failsafe works10:59
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subterrificpaueas: switch to a console and do: lsmod | grep snd10:59
paueasdone11:00
subterrificsee any drivers loaded?11:00
toyowheelinthat 32768 key pair is still being generated11:00
toyowheelinlol11:00
Treenakstoyowheelin: uh.. 32kbit GnuPG key? :)11:00
paueasyeah snd_ intel ac97 pcm mixer timer page alloc gameport mpu401 rawmidi seq 11:01
Treenakstoyowheelin: what are you trying to protect? :)11:01
toyowheelinI have a feeling thats gonna be a 10MB dsa key11:01
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toyowheelinssh key pair11:01
toyowheelinlol11:01
subterrificMithrandir: you know the bug# for this bug?11:01
Mithrandirsubterrific: 194311:01
subterrificis there a fix?11:01
Treenaksooohh, I can't choose "Copy to another CD" from the context menu of my CD-ROM drive in Nautilus ;)11:02
toyowheelinTreenaks, do you think thats enough bits?11:03
subterrificpaueas: try this: 11:03
subterrificgconftool-2 -s -t bool /schemas/desktop/gnome/sound/event_sounds false11:03
subterrifichere is the bug, if you want to read about it https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=194311:04
subterrificalthough if you have a sound device present, it could be something else11:04
paueassubterrific, yeah that didn't do anything11:05
Mithrandirpaueas: try to log in again now11:05
paueasi did.. still hangs like it did11:05
Mithrandirpaueas: it's normal for commands that succeed to look like nothing happened. :)11:05
subterrificpaueas: you might have to killall -9 gnome-settings-daemon also11:06
toyowheelinlol my computer is definatly angry at me11:06
subterrificbefore relogining in will work11:06
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subterrifichmm, thats a new word11:06
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subterrificrelogining11:06
coravelhi!11:06
toyowheelinthink its been generating this 32kbit key pair for almost a half hour11:07
sabdflhey guys, how d I write a shell script that tests if it was passed an argument?11:07
paueassubterrific, ok so i did that.. now im trying to login again..11:08
paueasor kill x first so it stops this11:08
deepnarcsabdfl, "if [[ "$1" ] ] ; then" should work11:08
sabdfldeepnarc: thanks11:08
subterrificpaueas: ctrl-alt-backspace will kill X11:08
deepnarcsabdfl, in a bash script (stick a '!' after the first  '[[' if you want to test it was not set)11:09
paueasyeah.. done.. ok so this is still not doing anything11:09
deepnarcnp11:09
paueasmaybe i should try the failsafe gnome..11:09
sabdfldeepnarc: erm, ok, so what would the if statement look like if i want it NOT to have an argument?11:09
paueasso much for failsafe11:10
sabdfli SO need to fund a python shell11:10
sabdfl"shnake"11:10
deepnarcsabdfl, "if [[ ! "$!" ] ] ; then" , also you still need the other 'else' and final enclosing 'fi' statements for the if clause11:11
sabdflthanks deepnarc11:11
danielssabdfl: just the interpreter with some neatly-defined functions?11:11
danielssabdfl: although cd('~/music') might be a little hard to get used to ;)11:11
deepnarcnp11:12
deepnarcsabdfl: I just had to check my syntax, here's the one line version-- "if [[ ! $monkeys ] ] ; then echo monkeys not set; else  echo monkeys set; fi"11:13
sabdflok, thanks11:14
sabdfldaniels: could start there11:14
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sabdflbut i'm thinking of a real shell11:14
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topyliyou can use python as your shell i guess11:15
topylibut not for long, i guess again :)11:16
paueasany other guesses why this thing is stalling out like this?11:17
subterrifichttp://unixnaut.com/skills/Languages/python/pysh.html11:17
danielssabdfl: if [ -z "$1" ] ; then echo argument yay; fi11:17
sabdflso -z is the same as !?11:17
danielssabdfl: -z is "string is zero-length"11:20
danielssabdfl: and -n is the inverse11:20
danielssabdfl: i believe -z is a lot more posixy11:20
sabdflok thanks11:20
danielsno worries11:20
q2PEACE OUT! AND GOODNIGHT!11:22
toyowheelinTreenaks, you here still?11:31
Treenakstoyowheelin: yes11:32
toyowheelinI just found out 32kbit is 3 times higher than military standard 11:33
toyowheelin:)11:33
toyowheelinhehe11:33
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Treenakstoyowheelin: that's why I asked what you were trying to protect ;)11:38
natehmm11:40
toyowheelinlol it was more of a thing to see how manny KB or MB the keys would end up being11:40
natewhen I plug a USB-storage camera into my new Ubuntu system, and try to 'lsusb' or 'cat /proc/bus/usb/devices', I get a hang11:40
toyowheelinand to see how long it would take on my machine to generate11:40
nateI also get a hang on bootup if I plug in my USB mouse11:40
nateanyone had similar problems?11:40
Treenaksnate: sounds like a problem with interrupts11:41
natehmm11:41
nateit did mutter something about ACPI errors when starting11:41
natecouldn't find... let me check11:41
Treenaksdmesg | less 11:41
Treenaksif it has acpi but it doesn't work, try booting with "pci=noacpi"11:41
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nate'unable to locate RSDP' whatever the heck that is11:41
Treenaksnate: how old is the machine?11:42
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natecouple years11:43
nateCeleron 1Ghz, VIA motherboard11:43
natewas working just fine with Fedora Core 211:43
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TreenaksDoesn't it say the BIOS is from before 2000, so it won't enable ACPI?11:44
nateno11:45
nateit says 'ACPI: unable to locate RSDP'11:45
nateeven if I append 'pci=noacpi' for some reason11:45
akrais it possible to get gaim to run some irc commands whenever it logs in ?11:45
natedoes it matter if that's appended to the end of the boot line, does the position matter?11:46
Treenaksit can't find the acpi table for some weird reason... have you enabled ACPI in the BIOS?11:46
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lypanovanyone working on ndiswrapper binaries?11:46
lypanovits a freaking hecka mess to get 'em compiled manually11:46
Treenaksndiswrapper is included in the kernel11:47
Treenaksafaik11:47
Treenaks(uh, yes, it is)11:47
lypanoveek11:47
lypanovhow do i get the tools then?11:47
lypanovndiswrapper-utils i guess? :P11:47
Treenaksprobably :)11:47
lypanovnope. nothing ndiswrapper related unfortunately11:49
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lypanovhow did u find that its included?11:49
nateheh. Good catch. I did have ACPI disabled. Forgot about that11:50
natehowever, now I'm getting a bunch of other errors in startup11:50
nateit tries to load 'toshiba_acpi' at one point and fails, not surprisingly as this is not a Toshiba11:50
lypanovstrings on my vmlinuz shows no ndis symboll...11:51
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natebut yay, now I have USB11:51
nateand yay I can see my photos11:52
natebut something pops up, gthumb perhaps? and helpfully asks if it can import my photos, and then complains there's no camera detected. D'oh.11:52
natenot that it matters as I can easily browse to them, but still11:52
nateI think I saw a Bugzilla on this11:53
lypanovbbl11:53
natewoo, yay new Eye of Gnome11:53
natewith the EXIF data showing and stuf11:54
natethat's already lightyears ahead of what I'm doing currently11:54
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DaNeonhi!11:58
DaNeonanyone here_11:58
DaNeon?11:58
joemalways11:59
topylimore or less :)11:59
DaNeonjajaja11:59
DaNeonquestion: how can i mount a fat32 partition?11:59
natehmm11:59
natedoes it not just do it?12:00
DaNeonhehehe12:00
nateI'm sure FAT support is there12:00
DaNeoni know...12:00
joemmount -t vfat /dev/xdx /mountpoint12:00
DaNeonbut i can't doit without using root?12:00
nateyou can use sudo12:00
natesudo <command-to-run-as-root>12:00
joemcan use sudo, or can add it to your fstab with user permissions12:00
DaNeonoh!12:00
nateand give it your user password. Voila.12:00
Dashivayou can put it in fstab to let do it as a user12:01
DaNeonlast time i edited fstab i screwed it up :S12:01
Dashivahehe12:01
Dashivalike /dev/hdawhatever /mnt/mountpoint  vfat  user,umask=000   0  012:01
topyliDashiva: well, now you know better and backup fstab before breaking it :)12:02
Dashivai've never screwed up an fstab12:02
Dashivain like 5 years...somehow12:02
topylioh sorry it was DaNeon :)12:02
natethere's also a root shell icon on the Applications menu12:03
natecool, after fixing my ACPI sound now works12:03
DaNeonhey i've mounted but i cant open anything12:06
Treenaksnate: how did you fix it?12:07
DaNeonI see the files' names12:07
DaNeonbut i cant open them12:07
DaNeonand the directories seems like files12:07
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Dashivahence the umask=00012:09
Dashivalets any user modify it12:09
lypanovhehe12:09
lypanovi love linux12:09
DaNeonhow can i disable task grouping in the taskbar?12:09
smeggyRight click on the little handle on the left of it12:09
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smeggyGo to preferences and turn it off.12:09
TreenaksDaNeon: right-click the "handle bart" thing and select Preferences12:09
lypanovthey should do the [5]  thingy like i implemented in kde12:11
lypanovso you can see how many are grouped12:11
DaNeondamn... i can't see where to disable it 12:11
Treenakslypanov: uh.. I see File manager (5)12:11
DaNeonyup12:11
lypanovoops12:11
lypanovDaNeon: found it?12:12
lypanovDaNeon: see the desktop icon, the little thingy next to it?12:12
DaNeonnope12:12
lypanovDaNeon: right click on that. go to prefs12:12
lypanovDaNeon: in the bottom left corner, 3 little dots12:12
DaNeonok12:12
DaNeonnow i see12:12
DaNeonwait12:12
lypanovTreenaks: oh :)12:12
lypanovTreenaks: me too now :)12:12
DaNeondone!12:12
DaNeonthx12:12
lypanovTreenaks: clever. i was testing out 640x480 last night :)12:12
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lypanovTreenaks: (my dell needed a modeline :|)12:13
kayahi!12:13
DaNeonall the files and folders has the "foot icon" and a can't open none of them12:13
kayawell i've just installed ubuntu12:14
lypanovDaNeon: umask=666 worked for me12:14
DaNeonwelcome to the club12:14
kayawell, i guess i'll be out of it very soon :(12:14
DaNeonumask=666??? 12:14
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lypanovkaya: how come?12:14
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fred87i think you mean 666 permsions12:14
DaNeonok12:15
DaNeonwait12:15
lypanovwhich is umask... right?12:15
fred87lypanov, umask 666 = --x--x--x12:15
lypanovnop12:15
lypanovrw-rw-rw-12:15
lypanovi think :P12:15
lypanov775 is rwxrwxrw-12:15
lypanov555 doh12:16
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fred87chmod 666 = rw-rw-rw-12:16
lypanoverm12:16
lypanovurgh12:16
fred87umask sets the bits which *can not* be set12:16
lypanovunix sucks :P12:16
lypanovlol12:16
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kayawell, it has xfree86 with ugly fonts, evolution does not start 12:16
lypanovkaya: works here. what did you do? :P12:16
kayanothing, just set up an pop3 account12:17
kayathen nothing12:17
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kayait just hangs for a while then dies12:17
DaNeoni ran nautilus in sudo to change /mnt/wind permissions, but it doesn't let me do it12:17
kayathe fonts look really bad- gnome 2.8 looks beautiful though12:17
kayaby the way, does openoffice have an GTK gui?12:18
kayait looks really really great12:19
lypanovits not gtk no12:19
lypanovjust emulated gtk12:19
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fred87OOo can use Qt12:19
fred87with NWF12:19
kayaQt and KDE is evil :) i dont like them12:19
smeggyqt is not evil12:20
smeggyqts licensing is evil12:20
smeggyqt itself is actually quite nice12:20
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kayawell, imho, kde1 was really nice, then somehow they messed it up, so i gave up on them12:20
fred87smeggy, um qt is available under the GPL...12:20
fred87and has been for 3 years iirc12:21
smeggyyeah but only for noncommercial projects12:21
fred87no...12:21
smeggyno?12:21
jamesok.. this is irrritating me.. i want ubuntu on my machine that has sata hd.. i know it works in linux kernel 2.6.x.. as i have some other distro installed atm.. but ubuntu install will not see the damn sata drive12:21
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smeggymaybe im not up to date on these things12:21
fred87you can make a commercial project with qt, as long as you release the commercial project under the GPL12:21
smeggyi havent used qt for ages12:21
fred87same as any other GPL lib12:21
jamesis there some funky boot param i must pass?12:21
Mithrandirjames: what kind of chipset do you have?12:21
jamesintel ich soemthing, iirc12:22
kayaby the way, how does this apt-get download software? i uncommented some lines but it's not workin?12:22
DaNeonnow the partition is busy...12:22
DaNeonand i am not using it...12:22
DaNeoni can't umount it12:22
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jamesich612:23
jamesMithrandir12:23
kayaanyway, i'll see ya all- i think i'd better get my good old slackware back running :) this is not for me :)12:23
kayatake care all of you! :) 12:24
smeggycya12:24
smeggyfellow slacker12:24
smeggy;)12:24
kayabyes12:24
fred87how many peeps here are actually on slackware?12:24
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smeggyim on ubuntu12:24
smeggyprobably going to switch permanently from slack though12:24
jamesi would if i could get it to see me sata hd12:25
jamesi love it on this machine.12:25
darksatanicjames: Saw mine first time.12:25
darksatanicNo problem at all. :)12:25
jameshehe12:25
smeggysame here12:26
DaNeonrebooting... brb12:26
darksatanicSo far, I'm reasonably impressed.12:27
darksatanic(That's 12 hours after installation, of which 8 have been sleep :) )12:27
smeggyi dreamt of gnome 2.8 last night12:27
smeggy:/12:27
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jamesi stuck it on my powerbook.. very nice.. glad as hell to get rid of mdk nightmare12:27
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opire12:31
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=== DaNeon is still fighting with the f****** partition
DaNeonumount: /mnt/wind: device is busy12:32
opiDaNeon: -f?12:32
DaNeonforce?12:32
MacPlusG3DaNeon: have you tried 'lsof|grep "/mnt/wind"' ?12:32
opiDaNeon: or you have shell/program that uses path12:32
opiuse what MacPlusG3 told you12:33
DaNeonumount2: Device or resource busy12:33
DaNeonumount: /dev/hdb5: not mounted12:33
DaNeonumount: /mnt/wind: Illegal seek12:33
DaNeonumount2: Device or resource busy12:33
DaNeonumount: /mnt/wind: device is busy12:33
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opiand see what's blocking it12:33
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DaNeoni've mounted sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hdb5 /mnt/wind12:33
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opiMacPlusG3> DaNeon: have you tried 'lsof|grep "/mnt/wind"' ?12:34
opisee what is accessing files in /mnt/wind path12:34
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DaNeoni ran grep12:35
DaNeon:S12:35
DaNeonstill waiting12:35
MacPlusG3DaNeon: hopefully with the lsof bit at the front12:36
DaNeon:S12:36
DaNeon:$12:36
DaNeonfamd      4307       neon   25r   DIR       3,69   32768          1 /mnt/wind12:37
opikillall famd ;)12:37
opiwhatever famd is ;p12:38
DaNeonuh?12:38
Kinnisonfamd is the tool which watches files for changes.12:38
DaNeonfamd(4307): Operation not permitted12:38
KinnisonNautilus uses it to update its windows as soon as changes occur12:38
DaNeonfamd: no process killed12:38
opiKinnison: oh, ok12:38
Kinnisonif you ask nautilus to unmount it; it should ask famd to unmonitor12:38
opiDaNeon: close nautilus window?12:38
DaNeonok...12:38
DaNeonwati12:39
DaNeonwait12:39
KinnisonDaNeon: so close nautilus windows; and then go to computer->discs and right-click on the wind mount and choose unmount12:39
jamesoh.. i see.. ich6 seems to use the sata_piix module.. which doesnt seem to be on the installer12:39
jamesthats just f'ing lovely12:39
jameshehehe12:39
DaNeonit doesn't appear on discs12:39
opitry unmount it now12:40
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opior see if you can force famdeamon to stop 12:40
DaNeonneon@n2k ~ $ sudo umount /mnt/wind12:40
DaNeonumount: /mnt/wind: device is busy12:40
DaNeonumount: /mnt/wind: device is busy12:40
fred87fuser -m /mnt/winds12:41
DaNeonthe thing is mounted and i can't see it :S12:41
fred87fuser -m /mnt/wind12:41
Kinnisonsudo /etc/init.d/fam stop; sudo umount /mnt/wind; sudo /etc/init.d/fam start12:41
opiyes, do what Kinnison sayd :)12:41
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DaNeondone12:42
DaNeonnow, how can i mount /dev/hdb1 & /dev/hdb5 on /mnt/winc /mnt/wind :S?12:43
fred87sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/winc12:43
DaNeoni have to edit fstab first :S12:43
fred87sudo mount /dev/hdb5 /mnt/wind12:43
fred87not neccesarily12:43
opiyou can use -t option to provide filesystem12:43
DaNeoni did that... and then... i can't open anything in the mounted partition12:44
opiwhat FS type?12:44
DaNeonall files have the gnome icon12:44
DaNeonfta3212:44
DaNeonfat3212:44
opiif it's VFAT12:44
Kinnisonyou need to tell it what user12:44
opiset prop. UMASK12:44
DaNeonlemme see12:44
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opitry umask=000 it will give access for everyone ;p12:44
KinnisonAssuming you're the default user on an ubuntu system specifying "-o uid=1000,gid=1000" will do the trick12:44
DaNeonwhere?12:45
opi-o 12:45
Kinnisonmount -o....12:45
opimount -t filesystem -o option,option /dev/what /dir/where12:45
opithat's why fstab is useful ;)12:45
opiyou do it only once12:45
nategrr12:47
nategpilotd crashed when syncing my Tungsten E12:47
natehow do I configure it to use an exclude file?12:47
opiok, Im login off from my VNC session12:47
DaNeonok....12:47
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DaNeoni can see the partition12:47
DaNeonnow: i want to mount the partition everytime the system boots12:48
DaNeonit is with fstab?12:48
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DaNeondoes anybody have the rock eq preset for xmms :$???12:50
willhi when i mount my vfat hda5 in the fstab it is visible, but not openable what do i do?12:52
willany one good at fstab?12:52
DaNeonwill, i've been there12:52
willdaNeon: i have it mounted12:52
will/dev/hda5       /mnt/d          vfat    users           0       212:53
DaNeonyou have to close famd12:53
willthats the line in fstab and it mounts it12:53
DaNeonuhm...12:53
DaNeoni'm going to edit fstab12:54
DaNeoni was mounting it manually12:54
DaNeonyou have to add uid=1000,gid=1000 12:54
willah and whats that for?12:54
natewoohoo. Hooray for Google12:54
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nateI now have my Tungsten E syncing to the gpilotd backup conduit12:55
natethat's better than I've ever got before12:55
smeggyhow did you do it?12:55
DaNeon<Kinnison> Assuming you're the default user on an ubuntu system specifying "-o uid=1000,gid=1000" will 12:55
willto apply fstab immediatly type sudo mount -a12:55
smeggyive been trying for days with my Tungsten T312:55
hazmatanyone else notice issues with unplug and replug of usb devices, and the devices not being useable on subsequent plugins12:55
nateI found the answer here:12:56
willwhere do i enter '-o uid=1000,gid=1000'12:56
natehttp://cpbotha.net/weblogs/cpbotha/archives/000929.html12:56
monkeyc-unbno issues with USB removable devices here12:56
natethat's to fix the 'gpilotd crashes when syncing to the backup conduit' bug12:56
smeggyCool thanks12:56
natewhich is an issue in pilot-xfer that has been known for ages12:56
hazmathmm.. okay.. this is more hid stuff like plugging in keyboard/mice vs. mass storage12:57
natethe answer is to exclude the jpeg libraries, but it's not documented how to set the exclude file list in gpilotd12:57
natethis is one of those 'really needs to be in a first-time user HOWTO' issues12:57
nateoh, also I manually did a modprobe visor before syncing the first time12:57
natenot sure if I'll need to put that into /etc/modules or not12:58
jamescool.. got it wokring12:58
jamesworking too12:58
willDaNeon: where do i enter '-o uid=1000,gid=1000'12:58
DaNeonguy12:58
DaNeonin optiones12:58
jameshad to modprobe libata and ata_piix12:58
DaNeonoptions12:58
willcheers12:58
willi have 'users' in options, should i add it before or after this?12:58
natenow, if only I could figure out why my Daewoo LCD monitor looks so ugly... sadly that's not a Ubuntu problem though12:58
DaNeonguys, what do i enter in dump & pass in fstab for the two fat32 partitios?12:58
DaNeonpartitions12:59
Kinnison0 and 012:59
DaNeonboth?12:59
Kinnisonyeah12:59
DaNeonthx!12:59
Kinnisonso something like:12:59
natebut so far I think I am getting quite happy with Ubuntu / GNOME 2.812:59
Kinnison/dev/hdc1 /mnt/winc vfat defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 012:59
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nateoops01:00
DaNeon/dev/hdb1       /mnt/wincvfat    uid=1000,gid=10000001:00
DaNeon/dev/hdb5       /mnt/windvfat    uid=1000,gid=10000001:00
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willwhat does pass do?01:01
DaNeoni don't know01:01
willand how are we all tring to do the same thing???!!!!01:01
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DaNeonrebooting01:02
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lothariohow far is away is the final release of ubuntu?01:04
Maskie_release candidate around 13 oct and final around 20 oct01:08
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DaNeonguys, there is no way of removing spatial navigation?01:09
lotharioMaskie: thx ;)01:09
smeggyDaNeon, turn on Browse mode.01:09
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DaNeondone!01:10
nateyes01:10
nateI wish there were a midway between the two modes01:11
natelike one can configure Windows Explorer to be. A minimalistic toolbar and 'open in same window'01:11
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natewith the option of turning on the tree sidebar or not01:11
joemturn on browse mode and turn off side pane, status bar and location01:11
DaNeonppl. how do i install java in the default folder?01:12
willdo you just want to install java?01:13
willsudo synaptic install (package)01:14
DaNeonin the defaul location01:15
DaNeondefault01:15
natehmm, synaptic can be run from the command line? That's nice.01:16
DaNeonlemme see01:17
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DaNeoni see a lot of java01:18
DaNeonwhat is the vm?01:18
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DaNeonwhich one is the vm?01:20
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DaNeonhey ppl... i have read only access to the partitions01:23
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ForsaKen`i am making a mirror, for ubuntu, now i am using rsync, i have read that i must do rsync evry 6 houers, i saw that rsync command has -t (time) but i did not understand how it works, maybe some one could help me with it ?01:29
smeggyheh no idea01:30
smeggyman rsync ?01:30
ForsaKen`thats what i did01:30
ForsaKen`didnt tell me much ..01:30
smeggy:/01:32
plovsForsaKen`, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/rsync.xml01:32
smeggyHmm01:32
smeggy-times tells it to preserve time stamps01:33
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ForsaKen`thanks01:35
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dickmorrelloccy alive? 01:55
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micXdickmorrell, how are you?02:09
dickmorrellmicX, fine02:10
dickmorrelltired02:10
dickmorrellbut otherwise fine02:10
dickmorrelllot of project work atm02:10
dickmorrellapologies for delay of response was in ImageMagick hell02:10
micXheh. 02:11
dickmorrellopenbsd device I'm working on02:11
dickmorrellgot some issues02:11
micXdickmorrell, u running ubuntu? how do you find it?02:12
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dickmorrellI have some ubuntu test boxes on a switch alongside my usual boxes02:12
dickmorrellI'm enjoying it.. its very early days I suppose02:13
dickmorrellI'm more interested in the security side that being my specialisation02:13
dickmorrellsome silly things like service level gui tools02:13
dickmorrellalthough depends if you think where the client is "aimed"02:13
dickmorrelldont want it too dumbed down02:13
micXhmm. so how does it look security wise?02:13
dickmorrelldefault install is pretty tight02:14
dickmorrelljust xserver issues and some silly logging bits02:14
dickmorrellwill let you know when I've finished hammering it02:14
dickmorrellwill put a box on a DMZ and really really bash it overnight02:14
dickmorrellethereal is your friend02:15
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micXsounds good. nice to have your experience looking for holes in ubuntu!02:15
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dickmorrellI really like what the project stands for02:15
dickmorrellaah an NTL user02:15
dickmorrellshall I go invisible02:15
micXwho'd ntl?02:16
stevedeo?02:16
dickmorrellmy employer02:16
micXwho's even02:16
darksatanicBig UK ISP02:16
dickmorrellI am head of security02:16
dickmorrellfor NTL02:16
dickmorrellhence when I see one login 02:16
dickmorrellI tend to lurk rather than wait for the "why does my cable modem keep falling over"02:16
stevedeohahaha02:17
micXoh. well that's good. you were scratching back in the sw days... :)02:17
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popeynot that I'd ask you if I did02:17
dickmorrellpopey you should see the new NTL 25002:17
dickmorrelltis nice.. if you like that sort of thing02:17
dickmorrellbit blue for my liking02:17
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dickmorrellmicX, SmoothWall long time ago02:17
darksatanicdickmorrell: Isn't red faster, though?02:17
dickmorrellprofitable though02:18
micXbbl02:18
dickmorrellk02:18
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popeylo lionfish :D02:21
lionfishlo popey :)02:21
dickm[coding] popey: you seen Hugo Mills around at all ?02:23
popeyumm02:23
popeyin real world or online?02:23
dickm[coding] either02:23
dickm[coding] got a load of wifi gear to donate to him02:23
popeyhe is no longer the chairman of the lug if thats why you were offering02:24
dickm[coding] was down at the uni the other day doing other stuff and couldnt find him02:24
dickm[coding] nope HantsLUG is of no interest02:24
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dickm[coding] was for the uni02:24
popeyoh ok02:24
darksatanicdickm[coding] : I'm here. :)02:24
popeyoh hello02:24
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darksatanicThe guy you want to speak to is really Mike Saywell,02:25
dickm[coding] cool02:25
darksatanicwho runs SOWN.02:25
dickm[coding] I was with Julian Field02:25
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dickm[coding] had bootfull of gear02:25
darksatanicAh, so you were one floor below me. :)02:25
dickm[coding] am moving house02:25
dickm[coding] no room02:25
dickm[coding] and wife said you MUST slim down gear02:25
darksatanic:)02:25
dickm[coding] oh and Hampshire ambulance02:25
dickm[coding] asked us to tone it down02:26
darksatanicWhoops.02:26
dickm[coding] as we were interupting radios02:26
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dickm[coding] if you can use some BIG dishes02:26
dickm[coding] email me02:26
dickm[coding] they are 24db US imports02:26
dickm[coding] 8 mile radius02:26
popey!02:26
darksatanicNext time you're coming down to So'ton, let me know -- I'm usually in the office.02:26
dickm[coding] am down there a lot02:26
dickm[coding] using Mailscanner in a pilot at min02:26
dickm[coding] and trying to sponsor Uni02:27
darksatanicI'm sure Mike S will know what to do with it. :)02:27
dickm[coding] Julians either up with me at NTL Hook02:27
dickm[coding] or I come down there02:27
dickm[coding] I'll pop along and see you next time02:27
dickm[coding] right I need to get this code sorted or I will get crucified and given chores to do...02:27
dickm[coding] dont be a stranger02:27
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gafamialoa :)02:28
gafamianyone alive/awake?02:28
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darksatanicNot sure.02:28
micXawake but perhaps not alive...02:29
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popeygwaaan, lemme do it!02:29
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popeycharging...02:30
popeyClear!02:30
mbafkzap him in the brain02:30
mbafkthe heart is for wusses02:30
cefheh02:30
darksatanic<lurch>I neeeeded thaaaat</lurch>02:30
gafami;) quick Q: I tried installing ubuntu on my intel 875p driven system (1 ide-cdrw, 1 ide dvd-rw), but ubuntu complains it cannot find any cd-drive and therefore the ubuntu cd... :\02:31
LinuxJonesgafami, you ned to change the boot order in your bios to 1 of you cd drives02:32
LinuxJoneserr need02:32
akrahas anyone managed to get the firefox update to install ?02:32
gafamiLinuxJones... hrmmm oki will try thanks :)02:32
linux_mafiaakra, no, and its not reccomended, you should wait for updated packages02:32
LinuxJonesgafami, ok GL02:32
gafamithx02:32
akrawhy not recommended? it's an xpi isn't it?02:33
linux_mafiaakra, from matt zimmerman, ubuntu devel on mailing list: Updating through firefox itself won't work for security reasons; an updated02:34
linux_mafiapackage will be available through synaptic soon.  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=198302:34
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akrata02:34
linux_mafiano worries02:34
akrawill have to sort out joining the mailing list with Thunderbird soon02:34
Phr0stByteDoes any1 know how to put an additional input method into Gnome apps?02:34
linux_mafiaakra, yeah its good, the users list, quite heavy traffic though02:35
micXwhat's a famd, it's using 92% cpu?02:35
darksatanicFile alteration monitor02:35
LinuxJonesmicX, it is a filesystem monitor that monitors disk usage. 02:35
linux_mafiamicX, fucking famd, heh, file alteration monitor02:35
darksatanicIt watches for changes to the filesystem.02:35
darksatanicBadly.02:36
micXhmm. not good. can I kill it?02:36
LinuxJonesmicX, ya kill it02:36
linux_mafiamicX, only required for nfs and the like iirc, so if not needed go ahead02:36
micXwell, it's gone. thought things were sluggish...02:38
linux_mafiamicX, apparently this is to replace it, http://www.gnome.org/~veillard/gamin i know it is going to soon/now in fedora, not sure what ubuntu devels are planning though02:39
akraclearly this isn't my day with find... where's the sound files for gaim kept?02:39
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Phr0stByteDoes any1 know how to put an additional input method into Gnome apps?02:40
linux_mafiaakra, you could look like this: dpkg -L gaim02:40
LinuxJonesakra, /usr/share/sounds/gaim 02:40
akracheers both02:40
linux_mafiano worries02:41
akrathe current sound for when my name appears is too "scary" :)02:41
Phr0stBytelol02:41
linux_mafiaakra, that kind of demon moaning sound?02:41
akrayeah - redalert.wav02:42
linux_mafiafucking freaked the shit out of me one night when i was in bed nearly asleep, i'd never heard it before, didn't know what the hell it was02:43
linux_mafiadidn't even realise it was coming from the comp at first02:43
akrathat was me yesterday :)02:43
akracouldn't work out which window had a fatal error in it...02:43
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akrais there a way to teach gaim to automatically identify me with nickserv?02:46
opi^workre02:46
Phr0stByteDoes anyone know how to enable the scroll wheel on a mouse if it is not working?02:46
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opi^workakra: I do not know about Gaim, but XChat have special input box at server list02:46
fred87add 'Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"' to either /etc/X11/XF86Config or /etc/X11/XOrg.conf in the mouse section02:47
opi^workPhr0stByte: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8602:47
micXPhr0stByte, was it plugged in during install?02:47
Phr0stByteopi^work: tried that - no dice02:47
Phr0stBytemicX: no02:48
opi^workPhr0stByte: we're talking about XF or x.org?02:48
LinuxJonesPhr0stByte, you can add Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"02:48
Phr0stByteXF02:48
linux_mafiaPhr0stByte, what mouse?02:48
opi^workPhr0stByte: use ZAxis as others advices you02:48
Phr0stByteHP optical scroll wheel mouse (kinda generic) PS/202:49
micXPhr0stByte, did you restart X after adding the ZaxisMapping?02:49
akrahttp://gaim.sourceforge.net/faq.php is my friend in this case :)02:50
linux_mafiaPhr0stByte, can you paste mouse part from XF86Config-4 in #flood?02:50
Phr0stBytelinux_mafia: sure - just a sec02:50
Phr0stBytelinux_mafia: its there02:51
opi^workI've pasted mine Phr0stByte 02:52
linux_mafiaid say opi^work's looks correct to me02:52
opi^worklinux_mafia: and it works here ;)02:53
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opi^workPhr0stByte: you could try change /dev/psaux with /dev/input/mice02:53
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linux_mafiamine is the same except "/dev/input/mice" because i have a usb mouse02:53
opi^workPhr0stByte: because of 2.6.x02:53
linux_mafiaopi^work, oh, i thought "/dev/input/mice" was for usb mice, is it for any type?02:54
opi^worklinux_mafia: it's more a change with udev/devfs02:54
linux_mafiagotya02:54
opi^worklinux_mafia: mouses are now in /dev/input/mouse0, 1, 202:54
linux_mafiamouses02:54
linux_mafiaheh02:55
opi^workbut i have /dev/psaux just because I used to it ;)02:55
linux_mafiaman i remember the first time i had to get my usb mouse going in debian, jeeze, had to mknod and all02:56
Phr0stBytegunna reboot now and test02:56
opi^worklinux_mafia: true, I had to give up my USB mouse ;)02:56
LinuxJoneslinux_mafia, ya I remember that :D02:56
Phr0stByterestart X i mean02:56
micXI gave up and put the adapter on...02:56
linux_mafiamicX, quitter ;)02:57
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opi^workI've exchanged mouse with friend at work ;)02:58
opi^workI don't use mouse mutch anyway02:58
linux_mafiaooh, 1337 cli user ;)02:58
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opi^worklinux_mafia: nope, I have my XFce here ;)02:59
opi^worklinux_mafia: but I use mouse only to rise window, change tab in mozilla ;)02:59
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linux_mafiaxfce, hmmm, so many people swear by it, i must try sometime02:59
opi^worklinux_mafia: nice, clean and fast03:00
opi^worklinux_mafia: few nice plugins, GTK so it feels almost Gnomish03:00
opi^worklinux_mafia: lodas in 2 secs on my P2@500 at work03:01
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opi^worklinux_mafia: http://www.opi.mnc.pl/debian.jpg ;)03:01
opi^worklinux_mafia: or http://www.opi.mnc.pl/xfce.jpg03:01
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opi^worklinux_mafia: tfu. http://www.opi.mnc.pl/xfce4.png ;p03:02
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linux_mafialooks good03:03
Phr0stBytemicX: Got it - thanx03:03
Phr0stBytelinux-mafia: thanx03:03
Phr0stBytelinux_mafia: thanx03:03
Phr0stByterather03:03
linux_mafiafor what?03:04
Phr0stBytescroll wheel03:04
Phr0stByteits working03:04
opi^workgood03:04
linux_mafiaoh, yeah , sweet, love to help03:04
micXcool...03:04
opi^workwe're the community of Ubuntu, resistance.. err.. ;)03:04
Phr0stByteafter i wdited the input device section, I had forgotten to change it in the server layout03:05
Phr0stByte*edited03:05
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Phr0stByteI got a bigger fish to fry now03:05
Phr0stByteAny1 know how to add an input method for Gnome apps03:06
Phr0stByte?03:06
linux_mafiainput method?03:06
opi^workIm not mutch Gnome user, so I can't help :P03:07
Phr0stBytelinux_mafia: yeah - right click where you type in a messege in Xchat - see input method in the drop list03:07
linux_mafiaok, but you want to do that in other apps? what language?03:08
Phr0stByteopi^work: sorry to hear that. Even sorrier if you use kde03:08
linux_mafiahahahahah03:08
opi^workPhr0stByte: none of them03:08
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opi^workPhr0stByte: both are using to mutch resources for my work03:08
opi^workPhr0stByte: XFce at home and Ion at work03:09
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Phr0stBytelinux_mafia: I want to add japanese. You can check that list in most Gnome apps - its the same for all - gaim. Evolution, Gedit, etc03:09
Phr0stByteopi^work:glad to hear your not a KDEer03:10
Phr0stByte=)03:10
opi^workPhr0stByte: I think both DE are OK03:11
opi^workPhr0stByte: holy wars are silly03:11
Phr0stByteopi^work: Not warring - just dont like it03:11
opi^workI use, what I like, I support who I like03:11
opi^workthere's too mutch people who thinks that thier way of view is the best one for whole community03:12
opi^workand Im far too old to trust them ;p03:12
Phr0stBytelinux_mafia: I added korean - ??? - cant get Japanese though....03:12
linux_mafiaPhr0stByte, there is no method like that for multibyte characters, ie hangul, hanzi03:12
linux_mafiaPhr0stByte, oh you added hangul03:13
linux_mafiahmmm03:13
linux_mafiai thought you needed special input programs for characters, like xcin for chinese03:13
Phr0stBytelinux_mafia: I could do it easily under Mdk, but I am not familiar with Debian based systems yet....03:14
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Phr0stBytelinux_mafia: I have a jserver starting at boot - I think I need to add the locale03:15
linux_mafiaPhr0stByte, just right click, input -> katagana etc? under mdk?03:15
Phr0stBytelinux_mafia: YES03:15
linux_mafiahmmm03:15
Phr0stBytelinux_mafia: I am not sure how to add the locale03:15
linux_mafianot too sure, check this out though, may help http://im-ja.sourceforge.net/03:15
linux_mafiaPhr0stByte, dpkg-reconfigure locales03:16
linux_mafiasudo first of course03:16
linux_mafiaany help?03:17
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Phr0stBytelinux_mafia: thanx - I am checking that page you refered me to...03:22
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opi^workOk, Im going for another mug of tea ;p03:25
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jamesdornAnyone know about the PPC iso?03:29
hazmatjamesdorn, what about it?03:29
jamesdornhazmat: I cannot seem to burn it.03:29
jamesdornhazmat: Disk-Utility doesnt even launch when it's mounted to the desktop03:30
hazmatjamesdorn, i used a nightly last week and burned it with disk utility..03:30
jamesdornIf it's not mounted, and I tell disk-utility to burn an image... select the image... disk-utility crashes03:30
jamesdornhazmat: where can I find the nightly's?03:31
jamesdornI was searching for them, couldnt find em =)03:31
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hazmatjamesdorn, their linked from the web page .... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/03:31
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hazmatunderstandable though..03:31
Phr0stBytelinux_mafia: got it! ????03:33
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jamesdornThanks hazmat03:33
linux_mafiaPhr0stByte, got what?03:33
linux_mafiainput?03:33
Phr0stBytelinux_mafia: japanese and korean input03:33
jamesdornthe stock mac image is screwed up =) big time.03:33
linux_mafiaPhr0stByte, what was the magic?03:34
Phr0stByteInstalling the package on that web site03:34
Phr0stBytethe - im-ja stuff03:34
linux_mafiaPhr0stByte, sweet, perhaps you or I could put a link on the wiki03:35
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linux_mafiaPhr0stByte, what country are you from?03:35
Phr0stBytethe korean I did last night. I tried so many things, I am actually confused as to what made it work03:35
Phr0stBytelinux_mafia: I am American, but my wife is korean and bitches about not being able to input ko and ja03:36
linux_mafiaPhr0stByte, you in korea now? soldier? 03:36
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Phr0stBytelinux_mafia: No - I am in Virginia03:37
Phr0stBytelinux_mafia: I was married in Korea - lived there three years working on a contract03:37
linux_mafiaPhr0stByte, do have a fiery kimchi ring right now? ;)03:39
Phr0stBytelinux_mafia: lol - dont touch the stuff03:39
Phr0stBytelinux_mafia: Love Soju though03:40
linux_mafiaPhr0stByte, kidding? kimchi rules, and sam gyap sal, yeah, somac is the shit03:40
pupilzengHi, all 03:41
Phr0stBytelinux_mafia: Never liked korean food - love Japanese food though03:41
pupilzengI've update to ubuntu from sid successfully, but there is still some problems03:41
linux_mafiaPhr0stByte, i'm exact opposite, i love korean beacuse of all the chilli and garlic, you speak korean?03:42
pupilzengThe first: how to disable root account?03:42
pupilzengThe second: what's the visodu like?03:43
opi^workpupilzeng: it's disabled by default03:43
opi^workpupilzeng: use sudo to do root stuff03:43
linux_mafiaopi^work, not after upgrade from sid03:43
opi^workih03:43
opi^workoh03:43
opi^worksorry I haven't read whole text03:44
opi^workgive root bin/false user?03:44
pupilzengI've no idea03:44
pupilzengwhat's your setting?03:44
linux_mafiapupilzeng, i enabled root, heh03:45
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pupilzengHow did you enable root?03:45
linux_mafiapupilzeng, root is not disabled in ubuntu, just it has no password set03:46
linux_mafiapupilzeng, all i did was set the password, actual root, not sudo, was needed for something i was doing03:46
pupilzenglinux_mafia: oh, what's your sudo setting?03:47
linux_mafiawhat do you mean? for my user?03:48
nuxhi everybody03:48
linux_mafiapupilzeng, the first user you set up on a ubuntu install is given ALL=(ALL) ALL in /etc/sudoers, they are like the admin03:49
lothariodoes the usb hotplug work for a stick drive yet?03:49
linux_mafialothario, yes03:49
pupilzengI learned from the website of ubuntu that the first user have adminstrator privillege with sudo, so I want to know how to set this03:49
lotharioi tried two installs and couldn't make it work ;(03:50
linux_mafiapupilzeng, just edit /etc/sudoers and add the line - <username> ALL=(ALL) ALL03:50
lothariootherwise, the ubuntu was brilliant on my machine03:51
linux_mafialothario, what type of box03:51
nuxi'm busy downloading ubunto iso for i386 - it seems like there is only 1 iso of 519M...  is that right?03:51
pupilzenglinux_mafia: thanks, it's very similar with what i've done03:51
linux_mafianux, yes03:51
lothariopentium III 800mhz 03:52
nuxwhy so small?  where can i find a catalogue of software included in ubuntu?03:52
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jblackUbuntu hit the top of slashdot again03:53
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Solatisyou've been slashdotted again! :)03:53
Solatiswell, in a few minutes03:53
linux_mafialothario, no, i mean brand, chipset, etc03:54
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pupilzengMy mplayer now can't work after upgrade. I've recompiled it, but no effects03:54
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pupilzengthe version of mplayer is 1.0pre503:55
deadchipwhere does the name ubuntu come from?03:55
deadchipah nvm -> website03:55
pupilzengit worked fine on sid just before upgrading03:55
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linux_mafiais the average reader of slashdot a complete fuckface? basically all i ever see in the comments about basically anything, is whinging, negative comments, or a "x is crap, you should use y" type rant03:57
nuxdoes anyone know if ubuntu works under vmware?03:57
moyogohas anyone tried skype?03:57
moyogoi mean. on ubuntu?03:57
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deadchiplinux_mafia: well they mostly are03:58
deadchipthat's part of the program03:58
linux_mafiaheh03:58
deadchiplook slashdot -> new article -> rub hands, get into troll mood -> write comment -> return to main loop and continue03:59
lothariolinux_mafia:thx, mainboard usis SiS 630 chipset i think brand is PC13303:59
linux_mafialothario, usb chipset?03:59
linux_mafiadoes this link work for others http://www.desktopos.com/reviews.php?op=showcontent&id=1904:01
juliaweird04:01
juliaI can login fine at the local system04:01
juliabut with XDMCP it takes 20 minutes to login04:01
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lothariolinux_mafia: sorry, I dunno chipset for usb04:02
supertedlinux_mafia: most lightly it's /.'ed04:02
linux_mafianah, it says it contains no data04:02
linux_mafiaor is that because its basically being dos'd04:03
jsubl2linux_mafia, i think they have been slashdotted04:03
linux_mafiab grade04:04
linux_mafiaz grade even04:04
jsubl2linux_mafia, the link comes up if you wait for ever04:04
Phr0stByteAnyone here have a Wacom drawing tablet?04:04
linux_mafiajsubl2, got it04:05
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nuxwhat is the kernel version of Warty Warthog?04:07
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Phr0stBytelinux_mafia: Sorry - stepped out for a bit - Yes I speak a fair amount of Korean04:07
Phr0stBytelinux_mafia: (After all, I have a live in tutor)04:08
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linux_mafiajsubl2, thats a pretty positive review04:08
Phr0stBytelinux_mafia: Can even read and write it04:08
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linux_mafiaPhr0stByte, thats the easy part04:09
linux_mafiaPhr0stByte, simpler than english i feel04:09
Phr0stBytelinux_mafia: Yeah - but it help if you are studying from books04:09
lothario[SiS]  USB 1.0 Controller04:09
Phr0stBytelinux_mafia: I would think so too04:09
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jsubl2linux_mafia, yeah it is.  he said he will review again after using it for awhile04:10
linux_mafiaPhr0stByte, king sejong was a pretty fuckin smart dude04:10
Phr0stBytelinux_mafia: jep04:11
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diemanjesus, another ubuntu review.04:12
dieman:)04:12
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giorsatproble installing ubuntu in a computer with sis chipset. at first boot it hangs on usb.rc. on booting in failsafe it gives a usb 1-1: control timeout on ep0in error. I know for sure that pcmcia must be disabled since 1 boot because it hangs kernel 2.6 - how to tell grub not to load pcmcia? what about the usb error?04:14
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Phr0stByteAnyone here have a Wacom drawing tablet?04:16
amawhats the direction of ubuntu04:17
linux_mafianorth04:17
Phr0stBytelol04:17
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nuxforward i hope04:17
linux_mafiaama, what exactly are you trying to ask?04:19
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amagoing towards a mandrake like user friendly distribution, as in with an easy gui installation04:20
opi^workama: third way04:20
amaor more of a debian based distribution, that has a menu driven install04:20
opi^workama: powerful distro, that is easy to use04:20
amawhats that way?04:21
morteohi don't like gui-installs04:21
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amai like the option of them04:21
amai dont like debians installation04:21
opi^workama: why?04:21
amai do like mandrakes installation 04:21
opi^workama: what's wrong with it?04:21
amabecause debians installation, was broken for me 04:21
topyliama: they are the same04:21
amalast time i used it04:21
opi^workama: in witch way?04:21
amaand debians installation is far to complex and un intuitive04:21
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amathe last time i installed debian i chose both gdm and kdm by accident and the installation failed04:22
amawith no useful error message04:22
amaand i figure from that point foward, it wasnt worth my time04:22
hazmatama,  agreed.04:22
opi^workI've installed Debain more than 10 times04:22
opi^workDebInstaller never failed me04:22
Guest-3fbOnly joined cause I was curious how this channel getting slashdotted affected it's size.04:22
morteohama: was that with the old installer? or the new?04:22
hazmatama, i have had the same issues with debian in the past.... i went ahead and started using gentoo04:22
amai use gentoo now too04:23
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amamorteoh i believe it was old 04:23
hazmatthe commercial debians i tried storm linux, progeny prominently went bust with their distros.. ;-)04:23
opi^workama: but Gento has NO installer04:23
hazmatalthough i guess now progeny is back04:23
morteohama: the new one i way better (the on ubuntu is based on)04:23
amaindeed it dosnt opi^work04:23
hazmatopi^work, but it has clear instructions04:23
hazmatdebian has a twisty maze of documentation... 04:23
hazmatcan't see the path but for the trees04:23
opi^workama: so you like Madrake installer, because it's easy, Debain installer is broken, but Gentoo without installer is better? ;-)04:24
topylidebian is the one that _has_ documentation :)04:24
amadebians installer was broken though04:24
amaand it was too complex choosing packages04:24
amamandrakes installer is easy, and powerful04:24
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topylimandrake is nice, yes.04:24
opi^workama: but then you have Desktop with RPM-hell04:24
amai do 04:24
tortoise__slacks is very good, simple04:24
nuxyast2 is the best installer ever04:24
amathats why i switched 04:25
opi^workama: I would never use something RPM based04:25
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topyliwell, installers are not something you're supposed to be using every day.04:25
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topylialthough i can see why mandrake and redhat need a friendly installer. you use them a lot =)04:25
hazmatopi^work, the rpm distros have gotten much better over the years.. urpmi is fairly nice.04:25
linux_mafiaopi^work, ah its not so bad these days with apt4rpm04:26
opi^workbut it's still lacking04:26
topyliand urpmi04:26
opi^workIm using swaret/slapt-get with Slackware04:26
opi^workand it's still not the same effect as I've got with my Debian box04:26
linux_mafiaopi^work, "but it's still lacking" was that to me?04:26
opi^workit's a little bit easier with installation and upgrade process04:27
opi^worklinux_mafia: RPM-apt-alikness still lacking :)04:27
topyliapt-rpm still installs rpms :)04:27
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opi^work;p04:27
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linux_mafiaopi^work, but it is "apt" it just deals with rpms, its honestly not bad, you are starting to be able to dist-upgrade with it too now, with fedora anyway04:28
linux_mafiai'm not trying to push rpms by the way, im a deb man through and through04:29
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ggiAh, a Slashdot headline. That's why this channel's apparently turned to crap.04:29
topylilinux_mafia: and mandrake's urpmi works very well too. i'm not sure if i'd try to upgrade the whole system with it though.04:29
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opi^worklinux_mafia: having a RPM based distro with some kind of APT emulation ;-) and Debian/Gentoo with real thing (portage, when it comes to Gentoo;-) i'll stick with orginal ones :P04:30
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erminaHi all04:30
topyliggi: hooray slashdot!04:30
linux_mafiaggi, whats crap about it?04:30
opi^workbut, as I sayd -- everyone can pick what suits'em :)04:30
erminacan i ask some questions??04:31
opi^workermina: don't ask to ask04:31
topylijust aks04:31
topyliask even04:31
laotseisn't a slashdot headline a good thing? I would think that a new distro that wants users would enjoy some publicity.04:31
timvNot for whoever pays for the hosting04:31
erminaI want to install an internal modem, with hsf chipset, I've downloaded a driver from linuxant04:31
topylilaotse: there are side effects like distro wars :)04:31
linux_mafialaotse, but they might not be 1337 enough, ;)04:31
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acid420hell0 there04:32
laotseis there a distro war going on?04:32
erminabut how to install the hsfmodem???.deb04:32
ggiWell, I reckon a channel is better when there are fewer smiley faces. They bother me. I'm sorry.04:32
acid420could sometell me if there are plans to have a sparc port ?04:32
laotseI'm rather distro agnostic myself. I have debian on my dev server upstairs and fedora core 2 on my laptop, and there's an older laptop around here somewhere with crux on it.04:33
linux_mafiaggi, why ;)04:33
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topylipersonally, i get frightened when people are Lauging Out Loud when just reporting a problem or something lol04:34
linux_mafiatopyli, heh04:34
ggilinux_mafia: Grr! Just kidding. It was probably just the random idiots dissing apt.04:34
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linux_mafiaacid420, http://ensilinx1.imag.fr/wiki/index.php/UbuntuSparc04:35
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tuxakkahi, I installed warty and just found out that packages doesn't include firewall-gui is there warty's own tool for iptables?04:35
linux_mafiaacid420, its amazing what google does 04:35
giorsatanyone can tell me where to find help for a problem with installation? I have a computer broken down right now and don't know what to do...04:35
linux_mafiatuxakka, no04:36
ggigiorsat: Well, here, I guess. Ask away.04:36
linux_mafiatuxakka, because firewall is not enabled by default, there are no open ports04:36
linux_mafiatuxakka, only portmap internally04:36
tuxakkamy warty at least listen many ports04:37
giorsatwell. first problem. I must say grub during installation not to load pcmcia because it hangs everything. what's the command line?04:37
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topylituxakka: how did you test? lots of services like x listen to localhost04:37
topylitest remotely04:38
tuxakkanetstat -an | grep LISTEN04:38
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acid420nice :))04:38
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tuxakkaat least 111 and 25 are listen04:38
ggigiorsat: Add 'nopcmcia' to the boot line.04:38
giorsatthank you. sorry if i sound dumb04:39
linux_mafiatuxakka, so? listen is not open -> accepting04:39
erminaggi : how can I install an hsfmodem ?? I have the driver but I don't know what to do04:39
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tuxakkaok I try with other machine what nmap and nessus says04:40
topylituxakka: 111 is portmap, 25 is smtp. you have to have them listening to localhost04:40
topylitry sygate or another scan04:40
giorsatsecond problem. I have this strange usb 1-1: control timeout on ep0in during first boot. sis chipset. it does the same on all latest kernel while on mdk10 (2.6.3) nothing happens. what can I do?04:40
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linux_mafiaermina, you willing to pay? where did you get the driver you have?04:40
erminaI have it from linuxant, the free one04:41
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tuxakkanmap said 111/tcp    open        sunrpc04:41
linux_mafiaermina, the .deb package?04:41
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erminalinux_mafia : yes04:42
ggigiorsat: That's sometimes fine. I've had it before with a sis chipset. Does your usb work?04:42
topylituxakka: where did you do the nmap? locally? you're not listening :)04:42
tuxakkaI suppose that debian's firestarter won't install warty?04:43
topylisure it does04:43
tuxakkaI nmapped with an another machine of course04:43
topylioh04:43
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erminalinux_mafia : what should I do with the .deb file? I'm a newbie04:44
topylituxakka: i have firestarter right here, works fine04:44
topylifrom unstable04:44
tuxakkaok I try that04:44
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linux_mafiaermina, dpkg -i <packagename> its all in the install docs though04:44
giorsatdifficult to say. my computer stops booting04:45
giorsatdoes noapic nolapic helps?04:45
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erminaoke I will try that, thanks linux_mafia04:45
giorsatif I add them to grub it gives me an error . why?04:45
linux_mafiadosen't anyone read or google anymore? sheesh04:45
ggigiorsat: Yeah, possibly. Try with 'acpi=off' as well.04:45
linux_mafiaermina, http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/hsf/install.php04:45
ggigiorsat: What error?04:46
giorsatok. but how to do it04:46
giorsatif i add a command line on grub it gives me error04:46
giorsaterror n.17 or 27 . I don't remember and computer is at work04:47
ggigiorsat: You could try editing the boot line on startup (by pressing 'e' or whatever). Or edit /boot/grub/menu.lst04:47
giorsatand write04:47
giorsatnoapic04:47
giorsatnolapic04:47
giorsatnopcmcia04:48
giorsatacpi=off04:48
giorsatis that a right order?04:48
Treenaksorder doesn't matter04:49
ggigiorsat: Add any kernel options to the line that starts with '# kopt' in /boot/grub/menu.lst . Then run 'update-grub'. The order doesn't matter, as far as I'm aware.04:49
giorsatthank to you all04:49
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giorsatlast wuestion. I always used mandrake and k3b is fantastic. what's the application to write data audio cd in gnome? nautilus for data but I dont' know what to do for audio and dvd04:50
linux_mafiagiorsat, k3b ;)04:50
giorsatwhat do you use graphically?04:50
giorsatdoes it require kde libraries right?04:51
linux_mafiagiorsat, i use k3b04:51
ions|awaygiorsat: unfortunately you're not going to find anything as good as k3b for gnome04:51
linux_mafiagiorsat, of course04:51
linux_mafiagiorsat, its in universe04:52
ions|awayalso unfortunately if you want k3b you need a helluva lot of KDE baggage04:52
topylik3b drags along a big bunch of dependencies, but it's your best bet04:52
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linux_mafiaonly kdelibs-data and kdebase-bin04:53
giorsatwell...thank you. when will you think there'll be a gnome3b? and when is due next ubuntu release?04:53
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ions|awayyeah *only*04:53
linux_mafiawhat?04:54
linux_mafiayour point is?04:54
ions|awaythose are significant packages04:54
linux_mafiaand04:54
ions|awayit also whines about needing arts04:54
ions|awayand that's a complete pain04:54
ions|awayfor someone who has no interest in putting kde on their machine04:54
linux_mafiaions|away, do you have a tiny hdd?04:55
ions|awayno, but I have no interest in wasting space either04:55
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topylilinux_mafia: that's not the point. you support the packages you have installed. and i have no idea what to do to kde when it breaks04:56
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giorsatk3b gives some errors on loading.. maybe it's better old xcdroast04:56
dommiX just crashed.  I can move the mouse but cant type.  The mouse is also not switching to my second monitor.  Nor is the mouse cursor changing on event04:56
jensensisnt kde almost the same as the kde form sarge?04:56
dommiI cant ssh into the box.  any ideas?04:56
jensensdommi: sshd installed? started?04:57
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giorsatlast question. any idea for next ubuntu release? weeks or months?04:57
dommiit is, not sure if I started it04:57
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cybrjackle|lappyanyone having evo crashing on them?04:57
topyligiorsat: it's always six months04:58
ggigiorsat: October the 20th, for the proper Warty release.04:58
topyligiorsat: but the first one isn't released yet, so that's probably weeks04:58
linux_mafiathose kde deps are < 30MB, and you are not "installing kde", just enough to run k3b, k3b breaks ditch it, it wont affect core system stabilty04:58
tehmilleri hate you guys! i hate ubuntu! hate it! it proved me wrong about debian based distros :(04:58
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giorsatI find ubuntu much better than fedora. and it's only a preview...04:59
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tehmilleri was happy in my little anti-debian world, and then ubuntu had to go and blow it all up04:59
topylilinux_mafia: yes. it's cruft anyways. i'd be happier without it04:59
ions|awayheh04:59
giorsatnot to tell the cleaner gnome desktop instead of messy kde05:00
topylitehmiller: sorry to hear that =)05:00
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tehmillerquestion though, would it mess up anything ubuntu related if i installed the gtkmm and gnomemm libs from debian sid, so as to get the hardware monitor applet?05:00
topylitehmiller: you can hate suse or something now.05:00
linux_mafiatopyli, how do you burn audio cds? at the cli? or other gtk based app? is gtoaster still in devel do you know? i used to like that05:00
topylilinux_mafia: k3b :D05:01
tehmillertopyli, already do, and mdk too05:01
richnrockvillemdFrom a Newbie: When they come out with a new build of Ubuntu, what will I need to do to upgrade my existing installs? 05:01
linux_mafiatehmiller, yes, hate suse05:01
giorsatthe same computer with sis chipset (isn't kernel 2.6 a little more troubling than old 2.4?) doesn't allow fedora even to start installing05:01
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linux_mafiarichnrockvillemd, apt-get dist-upgrade05:01
Qo-noSthere are quite a few competent gtk cd burning apps...it just takes some effort  hunting them down ;) e.g. GnomeBaker, gcdw, Eclipt Eroaster, gcombust and soon-to-come Coaster-gui > www.coaster-burn.org and Optimystic > htttp://www.dropline.net/05:01
richnrockvillemdapt-get dist-upgrade??  I am guessing that all I have to do is to open a terminal window and type that?05:02
tehmillerrichnrockvillemd, yes05:02
topyliQo-noS: eroaster is very broken in unstable i'm afraid.05:02
richnrockvillemdthanks, appreciate the info. Now if I can remember it :)05:02
linux_mafiaQo-noS, coaster-gui is to be relesed with the stable version of the hurd05:02
topylithe others don't do all the stuff k3b and eroaster do05:02
topylirofl05:03
Qo-noStopyli: is is but it was GREAT when it worked a few months ago ;)05:03
topylisure.05:03
linux_mafiatopyli, what are you rofl about?05:03
topylithe hurd and coaster-gui05:03
linux_mafiaoh, heh05:04
Qo-noSlinux_mafia: Joey hess has the libbakery stuff packaged or was it somebody else hmmm but i know the dependent libarries are being taken care of ;)05:04
tehmillerherd05:04
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linux_mafiaherd?05:04
linux_mafiawhats that?05:04
topylihurd. it's going to replace linux Real Soon05:05
Qo-noSDebian GNU/Hurd...several servers running on top of the GNU Mach microkernel05:05
cybrjackle|lappytopyli, don't think so05:05
cybrjackle|lappyreal soon = decade ?05:05
Qo-noScybrjackle|lappy: maybe give it a century...it should do so by then ;)05:06
topylioh, in a decade they'll boot05:06
linux_mafiai know what the hurd is, but tehmiller said herd05:06
cybrjackle|lappylol05:06
tehmillersorry05:06
tehmillerhabit, thought it was a misspelling05:06
tehmillerand in gentoo there are the pacakge herds05:06
cybrjackle|lappyanyone use evolution05:06
tehmiller<--- gentoo person by nature05:07
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tehmilleryes cybrjackle|lappy 05:07
cybrjackle|lappyyou haveing problems opening it05:07
linux_mafiarecursive acronym : hurd of unix replicating daemons05:07
topyliactually, hurd = herd of unix-replacing daemonds, and herd= <something i don't remember now>. anyway, it's doubly recursive05:07
cybrjackle|lappylast update i did evo crashes from the get go05:07
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Qo-noSGentoo or whatever...main thing is most here are Linux lovers...pardon me for ignoring the "GNU" bit ;)05:07
cybrjackle|lappywants to restart/close/inform devels when i open it 8)05:07
amahird = hurd of interfaces representing depth05:07
amahurd = hurd of unix replacing daemons] 05:08
tehmilleroujoiwrgj05:08
amaor hird05:08
linux_mafiaQo-noS, you better call it gnu/linux boy, or me and richard are coming to rough you up ;)05:08
tehmillerfriggin hird hurd herd, all crap05:08
tehmiller:P05:08
amashould be linux/gnu 05:08
linux_mafiaanyone prelinked their ubuntu box?05:08
Qo-noSlinux_mafia: damn didn't know RMS does IRC too :P05:08
topyliok. here goes. hurd= hird of unix-replacing daemons, and hird = hurd of interfaces representating depth =)05:09
tehmillerlinux_mafia, no, get too many issues05:09
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linux_mafiaim esr's half brother05:09
defendguinhas /. effected the traffic in here any?05:09
amai presume so05:09
linux_mafiatehmiller, ok, cause my friend using mepis said it did wonders for him, no issues05:09
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tehmillerlinux_mafia, he run any wine or etc apps?05:10
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linux_mafiatehmiller, not sure05:10
tehmillerpeople still read /. ?05:10
tehmilleramazing05:10
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linux_mafiatehmiller, i thought so too05:10
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KinnisonHi05:10
linux_mafianot high enough05:10
linux_mafia:(05:11
Qo-noShehe...ahh that crazy man has his points it's true that Linux is really just a kernel, GNU utilities are essential but without the additional layer of applications like k3b...what makes an OS? But calling Linux GNU/Linux is  just a mouthful and rather silly really05:11
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linux_mafiaQo-noS, agreed05:11
Qo-noSlinux_mafia: ;)05:11
tehmillergnome is what makes linux05:11
tehmiller:)05:11
defendguin:-D05:11
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topylignome is a gnu project though =)05:11
Qo-noStehmiller: tell it to the KDE crowd ;) 05:11
tehmillerQo-noS, i do05:12
tehmiller;)05:12
linux_mafiagotta love rms's face in revolution OS, when he gets the linus torvalds award, lmfao05:12
Qo-noStehmiller: and you survived? ;)05:12
tehmillerQo-noS, i'm a big guy, i can take the pain :D05:12
linux_mafiayou guys seen Revolution OS?05:12
Qo-noShonestly, Linux and RMS owes one another...they know it deep down...05:13
topyliahh05:13
Qo-noStehmiller: ahhh these kde fanboys can be real rowdy you know ;)05:13
amaim a kde fan05:13
amathough im having misgivings05:13
amagnome seems to be the future of linux desktop05:13
graviesI was a KDE fan until gnome 2.8 :-)05:14
tehmillerQo-noS, actually, i've gotten many many more to come to the light side of linux05:14
tehmilleraka, gnome05:14
tehmillerof course, KDE themselves made it easier05:14
topylito paraphrase rms, using kde is not a sin, it's a penance05:14
Qo-noSama: there's nothing really wrong with QT apps just that the default look and feel is ahem plain ugly05:14
tehmillerby making their latest releases just slightly above crap05:14
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amakeremik05:14
hazmatwierd if i plug in a usb hub keyboard with things attached the whole usb subsystem locks up05:14
amawith the yellow05:14
linux_mafiai say the loyalist, most staunch oss supporters of their own banner, are the gentoo lot05:14
hazmatif i plug them in one by one it works ok05:14
amai have no clue what they were thinking05:14
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Qo-noSaltho I admit I use both QT as well as Gtk along with motif apps05:14
amai personally think kde and gnome should coumbine, though there will be alot of major issues to overcome and developer strife, it will be better in the long run05:15
tehmillerk3b is the only qt app i use, and since ive been having issues with it, ihavent even used it05:15
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tehmilleranyone have a good tut on setting up imap?05:16
topylilyx uses qt, that's why i need it. and i use k3b, but that one i don't really need05:16
Qo-noSama: I don't they they ever will come together...it is good to have a choice...Trolltech/QT requires  some kind of a registration thingy for those intending to develop apps with their toolkit05:16
topylitehmiller: there's not much to setup. enable it in inetd05:16
topyli.conf05:16
tehmillertopyli, i mean setting up an imap server05:16
topylithat's what i mean too :)05:17
graviesanybody's ubuntu gnome install broken atm?  won't get past splash screen... 05:17
tehmillerthe thing that makes my email remotely accessable05:17
topyliright05:17
amayou dont have to register to develop apps05:17
amathough, if you want to develop commercial apps05:17
linux_mafiatehmiller, you looked at the courier-imap how-to at www.tldp.org?05:17
amayou have to pay05:17
tehmillerlinux_mafia, not yet05:17
amabut its not like theres any major gtk+ based apps05:17
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tehmillerthanks for the smack in the head to remind me about it05:18
amathat are commercial05:18
topylitehmiller: 1. install a daemon, 2. enable it in inetd.conf, 3. open the port, 4. get your mail05:18
linux_mafiaama, wtf05:18
Qo-noSama: I think there are PageMaker is one05:18
amanever heard of it05:18
linux_mafiarealplayer 10 is, heh05:18
Qo-noSwww.gnomefiles.org05:18
hazmatama, there are several gtk commercial apps.05:18
Qo-noSlinux_mafia: yup that's another ;)05:18
tehmillerrealplayer 10 is a paranormal app05:19
hazmatof the top of my head.. wingide.com05:19
defendguinthe helix player blows and it causes problems when i want to download an rpm05:19
tehmillera real player that defies the laws of Real apps05:19
tehmillerit doesnt suck05:19
topylitrue05:19
Qo-noStehmiller: heh05:19
amaok thats like 305:19
tehmillerdefendguin, thats the mozilla plugin05:19
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linux_mafiaevolution05:19
defendguinyeah05:19
linux_mafiathats a killer app too05:20
amai should have said propreitary05:20
topylievo is free.05:20
tehmillerdefendguin, theres a way to kill it specifically, but i usually just rightclick save rpms05:20
amaproprietary even05:20
defendguintehmiller, still annoying05:20
johwhy do I get "Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second." when doing cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI ?05:20
tehmiller!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!05:20
tehmillerDEB HAS GARTOON PREPACKAGED!05:20
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defendguintehmiller, really?05:21
defendguinhmmm05:21
tehmillerin deb sid05:21
defendguinmust boot up my ubuntu box05:21
topylitehmiller: of course :)05:21
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tehmillertopyli, well i dont see any of the good gtk themes there, so dont get all superior! :P05:21
topylitehmiller: they must be broken if theyre not in sid :)05:22
tehmillertopyli, not at all05:22
tehmillerhttp://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=1507305:22
defendguintehmiller, just the icon theme? or a gtk theme as well?05:23
linux_mafiadefendguin, you get bios sorted?05:23
topylitehmiller: hmm. look ok. I bet there's a security problem or something :P05:23
defendguinlinux_mafia, huh?05:23
tehmillerdefendguin, gartoon is just the icon theme05:23
tehmillertopyli, nah, just none of the gnome people like his themes05:24
defendguinwell it has stock icons05:24
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tehmillertopyli, the guy that makes that gtk theme is a friend, hes been rejected from art.gnome.org like 8 times05:24
topylitehmiller: well, themes are easy enough. the main thing is the apps are (mostly) there05:24
topylitehmiller: oh. he's gotten someone angry05:25
topylignome-look treats him right?05:25
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tehmilleryeah05:26
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tehmillerthere was a vote in effect on the gnome-support forums a while back about the best gtk theme, we tried to do a write in for his latest theme at that time, the mods killed it05:27
tehmillerfunny thing is that we cant figure out what he did to piss someone off05:27
plovswhat is the username and password for cups?05:27
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tehmillerroot plovs05:28
tehmillerif you mean the web interface05:28
plovstehmiller, ok05:28
defendguinthis is kind of annoying sometimes the ubuntu boot stophalf way05:28
defendguinlike it just stopped after it started the acpi daemon05:29
defendguinjust sits there for a few min05:29
tehmillerok, i know this has been asked 42000000000000 and 42 times, but i have to ask myself, any idea on the eta of xorg into debian?05:29
topyliplovs: trying the web interface? it's disabled in ubuntu i seem to recall.05:29
plovstopyli, it answers.. asks for login05:30
defendguinand of course the keyboard and power button do nothing so i have to end up pulling the battery of of my laptop05:30
linux_mafiathis may be relevant/important to some of you - http://www.wiggy.net/tmp/accident/05:30
topyliyep, and accepts nothing. read the README in the docs folder. it tells you to use the gnome interface.05:30
linux_mafiarms nearly died05:30
graviesanyone got an faq on how to get gnome 2.8 to start after crash? - gconf corrupt?05:31
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plovstopyli, anybody have a working canon 125005:31
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Qo-noSgravies: delete .gconf ;)05:31
plovscanon i25005:31
topyliplovs: not me :)05:31
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graviesdid rm -rf .gconf .gnome .gnome2 etc... tried root, other user... just stops at splash or grey... second time on 2 ubuntu boxes...05:32
LinuxJonesgravies, maybe the files in your home dir are corrupt. Try creating a new user and logging in.05:32
graviesdid that... no joy05:33
tehmillergravies, you try starting it with startx?05:33
LinuxJonesgravies, yikes05:33
tehmillerand putting gnome-session in the ~/.xinitrc05:33
graviestried xinit /usr/bin/gnome-session 05:33
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graviessame problem05:33
tehmillerseeing what errors it gives you05:33
graviesno errors in .xsession-errors05:33
tehmilleron the terminal itself?05:33
graviesnada05:33
graviesjust sits there...05:33
tehmillerhrmmmm05:33
tehmillerthe only plausible solution is that it hates you05:34
graviesfor 10mins... on 3200+ 64 chip05:34
graviesmy conclusion too... shame as I really like 2.8 on ubuntu...05:34
tehmillertried a new user?05:34
graviesalthough had similar problem in fedora core...05:34
graviesyep05:34
LinuxJonesgravies, have you updated your system after install ?05:34
graviesgnome =  unstable?05:34
tehmillerno gravies 05:34
amphigravies: why not try and debug it without ?dm ? might make it easier05:34
tehmillerits very stabled05:35
graviesdone apt-get dist-upgrade every day for a week to see if the fix would arrive... nothing05:35
gravieswithout dm?  lost me there?05:35
amphigravies: console login + startx05:35
topyligravies: at work i upgraded to unstable when that happened. then back to ubuntu gradually :(05:36
graviesyes - that doesn' twork (see above)05:36
johthere is a bug in the cdrecord package05:36
johwhere can I access the ubuntu bugzilla?05:37
johoh, sorry :P05:37
topylibugzilla.ubuntu.com05:37
johtopic is nice :P05:37
johthanks05:37
gravieswhat is the equivalent of rpm -Uvh --force for dpkg / aptitude (so I can reinstall all the gnome gconf files?)05:37
tehmillerdpkg --forceall ?05:37
graviesgreat I'll try that thanks...05:38
tehmilleriunno for sure05:38
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amphigravies: not sure that forcing dpkg is always wise...05:38
LinuxJonesgravies, apt-get --purge remove gconf05:38
Qo-noSgravies: or dpkg -P gconf05:39
graviesgood plan LinuxJones05:39
tehmilleris mplayer proper in any debian repository?05:40
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amphitehmiller: marillat, but not official debs05:41
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tehmilleramphi, can you save me a google with a link?05:41
amphitehmiller: I have this is my sources.list FWIW: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main05:41
occyanyone know if pcmcia issues have been addressed in the latest nightlies?  I've got the  Oct 1st nightly and still can't seem too do the install because it hangs at loading pcmcia.05:41
tehmillermany thanks05:41
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amphiI run woddy + a couple of backports05:42
occythis is a Dell Inspiron 7500 laptop. 05:42
amphier, woody05:42
amphiyou could ask the #debian bot05:42
tehmilleroccy, i have an inspiron 910005:42
tehmillerworks 100%05:42
tehmillerthats what i installed ubuntu on05:42
amphitehmiller:  ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html05:42
amphifor info05:42
occyevery distro I've installed on this has had no problems. 05:42
occy:/05:43
occyhmmm05:43
occymaybe I should try one of the other nightlies again.05:43
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occythere could have been something borked temporarily05:43
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LinuxJonesoccy, can you diable your pcmcia bus in the system's bios ?05:44
occyLinuxJones: hey bud... I tried.. didn't see an option to do that.05:44
occyLinuxJones: I tried the expert install and it hung when it was trying to load pcmcia 05:44
LinuxJonesoccy, ahh05:44
occyI'll try the latest nightly to see if that works. 05:45
LinuxJonesoccy, some folks are having issues with pcmcia cards hanging so your not alone.05:45
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occyLinuxJones: yah....  I bet it's the actual card manager services.05:45
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occyLinuxJones: someone must be doing something different to the default stuff cause debian regular installs fine on it.05:45
occysorta at a catch 22 with pcmcia 05:46
occyheh05:46
occyhave to have it to get connected to the net. 05:46
occyhad a great 10 mile run today05:47
occyI was only going to do 6, but felt so good I kept going.05:47
occyhehe05:47
tehmiller^2gah!05:47
tehmiller^2no xchat 2.4.005:47
tehmiller^2what kind of insanity is this!?05:48
occytehmiller^2: heh05:48
LinuxJonesoccy, I walked to the kitchen and make a pizza for lunch 05:48
amphitehmiller: use irssi like decent people do :)05:48
tehmiller^2amphi, god no05:48
occyLinuxJones: haha, right on05:48
amphiheh05:48
tehmiller^2amphi, thats my "oh shit i screwed up something bad an am stuck in termnial" client05:48
tehmiller^2nothing more05:48
occytehmiller same here05:48
amphiI spend most of my time in console05:48
tehmiller^2but GUI is your friend05:49
tehmiller^2not your enemy05:49
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occyI sorta wish I could use console client though05:49
occywish there was a tabbed based script. 05:49
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amphiGUI is more like an acquaintance that is pleasant to see occasionally, for me :)05:49
occyit would be easy to do.05:49
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occyfor someone that knows how to code that is...05:49
amphioccy: 'tab based script'?05:50
tehmiller^2occy, irssi is tab based...05:50
ExasparillaI'm a li'l confused and would appreciate help - the "universe" repo is Debian unstable, frozen at the time of release, yes?05:50
occywould be neat to make a curses based client.05:50
tehmiller^2its just unintuitive as hell05:50
occytehmiller yah05:50
occyessentially, make xchat where it would run graphically under console via some curses (menu based) thingy05:51
LinuxJonesExasparilla, I think that is the basic plan05:51
occyxchat-text wasn't that great IMHO05:51
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ExasparillaSo, how bad would it be to use the current debian unstable, or even experimental?  Do the ubuntu folks prune out bad packages or something?05:52
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LinuxJonesExasparilla, mixing debian repositories and ubuntu is not recommended05:52
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LinuxJonesExasparilla, if you don't go crazy and just want a few packages not available in Ubuntu you will probably be ok 05:54
ExasparillaLinuxJones: I heard that, but if universe *is* a debian repo...05:54
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LinuxJonesExasparilla, universe it is not necessarily only debian unstable as far as I know05:55
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tehmilleryay for mplayer!05:55
Exasparillaoh05:56
linux_mafiauniverse is not a *debian* repo, the packages are built against ubuntu main05:56
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tehmillerlots of dvds eh Tomcat_ ?05:56
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Tomcat_Heh... actually yes...05:57
Tomcat_Although it could have been another disk which has only apps and personal data...05:57
tehmillercurses :(05:57
tehmilleri want a dvd burner05:58
linux_mafiabuy one, they are dirt cheap05:58
Tomcat_Oh you mean for backup? I back the data up on my other disk and my Dad's PC :)05:58
tehmillerthat requires spending of funds05:58
Exasparillalinux_mafia: built against ubuntu main, but the same packages as in debian unstable at the time of freezing?05:58
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tehmillerwhich will incur the bitching of the girlfriend05:58
tehmillerwhich will not be joyful05:58
LinuxJonestehmiller, tell her the old cd recorder died or something05:59
linux_mafiaExasparilla, yep05:59
tehmillerlol05:59
gravies_despite 8 yrs linux experience i find myself lost as ever :-)  ... can't ping localhost ??? /etc/hosts ok... route looks normal... maybe this is why gnome stops?05:59
Exasparillalinux_mafia: well, thank you.05:59
linux_mafiatehmiller - yeah, but if they like $150 NZD, they must be like $30 USD06:00
tehmillerlast i checked they were around 75 US06:00
tehmillerthat was this past christmas06:00
linux_mafiaok06:00
Tomcat_gravies_: What error on ping?06:00
gravies_just sits... no ack06:00
Tomcat_Oi.06:00
gravies_but can ping www.google.06:00
LinuxJonesgravies_, what does ifconfig -a output ?06:01
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Tomcat_I noticed recently that my loopback interface wasn't up... so that could have been a problem.06:01
linux_mafianew zealands pretty good for pc part prices, think cause we close to asia06:01
Exasparillagravies_: firewall problem?06:01
gravies_all looks fine... eth0 lo  all there...06:01
Tomcat_But in that case you would've gotten "no route" or something06:01
gravies_i redid with etherconf to make sure and still no joy... 06:01
gravies_never had a problem like this before06:01
LinuxJonesgravies_, I don't kwno what else it could be except a firewall rule like Exasparilla pointed out06:02
topylilinux_mafia: perhaps that would justify a quick trip to new zealand then, when it's winter here :)06:02
gravies_no firewall by default in ubuntu? is there?06:02
LinuxJonesnope06:02
linux_mafiagravies_, whats in /etc/hosts ?06:02
gravies_iptables gives nothing06:02
linux_mafiatopyli, where are you?06:02
gravies_hosts gives standard ## etherconf DEBCONF AREA stuff06:03
topylilinux_mafia: finland. so perhaps the savings wouldn't be so great after all06:03
gravies_127.0.0.1 localhost is there...06:03
linux_mafiayay, home of black metal06:03
topylisure06:03
topyliand linux06:03
topyliand irc06:03
topyli:D06:04
tehmillerwtf, wheres services-admin?06:04
gravies_and fush and chups06:04
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gravies_ok... fyi ... /etc/init.d/networking restart did the trick... no ideal what was wrong...06:05
linux_mafiagravies_, fush and chups>06:05
linux_mafia?06:05
gravies_it is the way NZers pronounce fish and chips :-)06:06
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gravies_standard joke by all people from Oz...06:06
linux_mafiawhatever buddy06:06
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DJCobolis there a JRE package available through apt that maybe I'm not seeing?06:07
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linux_mafiaDJCobol, negative06:07
tehmillerwhere is the services gnome-system-tools app at?06:07
DJCobolcrap06:07
DJCobolwell, thanks06:07
LinuxJonestehmiller, what apps are they ?06:08
gravies_gnome 2.8 comes alive... obviously couldn't talk to localhost = wait forever = not tell anyone = me very confused... thanks for the help guys...06:08
tehmillerlike users-admin, its called services-admin06:09
tehmilleri want to edit my services in ubuntu, but i cant find the damn app06:09
LinuxJonestehmiller, apt-get install gnome-system-tools06:09
linux_mafiatehmiller, not included in ubuntus set06:09
tehmillerfor what insane and useless reason?06:09
Keybuktehmiller: just play with the symlinks in /etc/rc2.d directly06:09
topyligravies_: it's not obeying the standard rule of failing LOUDLY when failing :(06:09
amphitehmiller: ubuntu has update-rc.d?06:10
linux_mafiatehmiller, from the mouth of jdub: It's not supported by upstream or by Ubuntu. Ideally, desktop users06:10
linux_mafiashould not need a tool like this (particularly the current interaction06:10
linux_mafiadesign), and server administrators definitely shouldn't need it. :-)06:10
tehmillerits just a matter of convience06:10
tehmillerdo i NEED it? no06:10
tehmillerwould it be helpful? yes06:11
Keybukit's not helpful06:11
Keybukthe UI is seriously terrible; it's far easier to just play with the symlinks yourself06:11
linux_mafiatehmiller, apt-get install rcconf06:11
tehmillerit is when youre unfamilair with the runlevels and default services of a partiuclar distro06:11
Keybuktehmiller: the UI assumes equal familiarity06:12
KeybukUbuntu, like Debian, has an "installed services start automatically" policy.  If you want (e.g.) a name server to start, you just install one06:12
deFryskno updates for the last 20some hrs, does that mean anything ? or is it sunday ?06:13
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linux_mafiatehmiller, apt-get install rcconf, it is the tui for update-rc.d06:13
octalc0dehow come mplayer isn't in the apt repository? ?=(06:13
tehmillerKeybuk, well thats apparently not applied to ssh06:14
tehmillerwhich is what prompted this little episode06:14
tehmillerlinux_mafia, ok06:14
Keybuktehmiller: the openssh package only contains the client, install the openssh-server package06:14
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tehmillerKeybuk, did06:14
tof_hi all06:14
Keybuktehmiller: it should be running then06:14
tehmillerthe user-seperate thing kills it06:14
Keybukuser-separate ?06:15
tehmiller1 sec, i'll post exact error06:15
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zyklonbhello everyone. I have a problem installing ubuntu. when I install it, it goes through the install up until it's installing something at about 20% (sorry I forget what) then it goes to a red screen with an error. I tried burning to different media, tired redownloading and burning again, but the same problem. I made an empty partition in the middle of the drive and tired that, but the install still failed. Debian will install on this dri06:15
linux_mafiazyklonb, that is a shitty nick bro06:15
tehmiller^2Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshdPrivilege separation user sshd does not exist06:16
tsengya it is.06:16
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linux_mafiatseng, agreeing with me?06:16
octalc0dehmm, why is this happening [APT] : 06:16
tsenglinux_mafia: ya06:16
octalc0depatrick@bigamd:~ $ sudo apt-get update06:16
octalc0deGet:4 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Sources [791B] 06:16
octalc0deHit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Release06:16
octalc0deHit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Sources06:16
octalc0deHit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Release06:16
octalc0de99% [3 Sources gzip 0] 06:16
octalc0degzip: stdin: not in gzip format06:17
tsengeasy killer06:17
linux_mafiatseng, ok, we form like voltron and your the head06:17
tsenglinux_mafia: pimp.06:17
Keybuktehmiller^2: that's very strange ... that user should have been created during the openssh-server postinst script; can you do me a favour, try running "sudo dpkg --configure -a" 06:17
linux_mafiapimp?06:17
tehmiller^2k06:17
Keybuklet me know if that does anything at all06:17
topylitseng: is your mono archive very dangerous to use?06:18
tsengdangerous?06:18
tehmiller^2nada Keybuk06:18
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cybrjackle|lappylol06:18
tsengit wont kill anything, it just might not work06:18
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cybrjackle|lappyguess you scared him off :)06:18
topylitseng: yes, that's what i mean :)06:18
Keybuktehmiller^2: and "getent passwd sshd" doesn't say anything?06:18
tsenglike right now monodevelop is missing some deps06:18
tsengand im not inany rush to fix it06:18
tehmiller^2nope Keybuk06:18
Keybuktehmiller^2: ok, try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server"06:19
tehmiller^2shall i try to reinstall the ssh server06:19
linux_mafiatseng, whats pimp?06:19
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tsenglinux_mafia: decked out06:19
topylitseng: ok. just in case i need some apps. not right now06:19
tehmiller^2Keybuk, bingo06:19
tehmiller^2now to figure what the hell that meant when it said how to enable X fowarding :\06:20
linux_mafiatseng, ok, gotya, some iceberg slim type shit06:20
tsenglinux_mafia: ya06:20
Keybuktehmiller^2: that's very strange; I've no idea why the postinst script didn't get run properly ... dpkg certainly thinks it did (otherwise the --configure -a would've done it)06:20
tsenglinux_mafia: we'll be badder than voltron x206:20
Keybuktehmiller^2: X11Forwarding option in /etc/ssh/sshd_config06:20
tehmiller^2oh, i thought it was saying something about a debian config app to pass -X to heh06:21
tehmiller^2odd..06:21
tehmiller^2its turned on in the config06:21
tehmiller^2oh well06:21
LinuxJonesCan anybody recommend a good Python Book ? 06:21
Keybuktehmiller^2: then all you need do is pass -X on the client, or stick "ForwardX11 yes" in ~/.ssh/config for the host, etc.06:22
linux_mafiatseng, fabio has to be part of our formation though06:22
tehmilleryeah Keybuk, apparently that little dialog is outdated, the default config has it turned on06:22
MicksaLinuxJones: try http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy/06:22
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ccharlesLinuxJone: try O'Reilly's 'Programming Python 2nd Ed.'06:22
tsenglinux_mafia: he can be a foot if he has to06:22
LinuxJonesMicksa, ty06:22
linux_mafiatseng, that'll do him06:22
Keybuktehmiller: heh, file a bug on that <g>06:22
LinuxJonesMicksa, ccharles thanks will look at it right now06:23
Keybukit does say "the Debian version of ssh"06:23
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ioslipstreamLinuxJones: http://diveintopython.org is about as good as they get06:27
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Micksaheh, I have yet to be convinced to learn python06:30
Micksatoo good at perl :)06:30
ioslipstreamMicksa: lol, i used to feel the same as you06:31
LinuxJonesioslipstream, thanks looks great :)06:31
ioslipstreamLinuxJones: no problem, that was the most helpful of the online books, and i read them all06:31
ioslipstreammost helpful for me anyhow, your mileage may vary06:31
LinuxJonesPython, seems like a good language for someone as dim-whitted as myself :D06:32
LinuxJonesioslipstream, do you do any graphical apps in Python ?06:32
ioslipstreamLinuxJones: yes06:33
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srihey is anybody making packages of gnome-vfs that supports dns-sd?06:33
LinuxJonesioslipstream, is it very difficult to control input/output from other applications ?06:33
defendguinwoo hoo i got menitoned on planet.gnome.org :)06:34
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ioslipstreamLinuxJones: not at all... python is an extremely easy language to learn and do useful things with almost right off the bat06:34
ioslipstreamvery powerful, flexible, and easy06:34
gravies_*faq?  How to get vanilla debian's fonts to look as good as ubuntu?06:35
LinuxJonesioslipstream, awesome !!06:35
nanotechis python a web lang?06:35
Treenaksgravies_: they do06:35
LinuxJonesnanotech, scripting language06:35
amphiwith evil significant whitespace :)06:36
linux_mafiai wouldn't really describe it as a scripting language06:37
topyligravies_: set it up the same way :)06:37
hazmatits an object oriented strongly typed dynamic language 06:37
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topyligravies_: ie. install same fonts, use same config06:37
sriso is howl packaged for ubuntu at all?06:38
hazmatits in universe06:39
linux_mafiathirstin howl?06:39
gravies_yes, i spent hours setting up debian unstable to look good... ubuntu looks fantastic out of the box... hard work by ubuntu developers or fonts that debian won't let in (non-free)?06:39
linux_mafiathe thir06:39
linux_mafiathird06:39
srilinux_mafia: the 3ird06:39
srioops06:39
srihehe06:39
linux_mafiasri, you like him?06:40
srihazmat: does gnome-vfs use it at all?06:40
srilinux_mafia: only from gilligan's island :)06:40
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linux_mafiaoh, i was talking about the rapper06:40
TdC_VgAhows the RFS4 support in ubuntu?06:40
srioh06:40
sridon't know him06:40
linux_mafiaTdC_VgA, its not06:40
TdC_VgAthats what i thought heh06:40
sriwhat is RFS4?06:40
TdC_VgAreiserfs406:40
Exasparillasri: Reiserfs, version 406:40
TdC_VgAnext release?06:41
ioslipstreamsri: something garaunteed to destroy your data someday06:41
ioslipstream=p06:41
topyligravies_: i don't think ubuntu has non-free fonts out of the box06:41
linux_mafiaTdC_VgA, no06:41
TdC_VgAi heard ReiserFS 4 supported NTFS natively? whats with that?06:41
sriioslipstream: hehe06:41
atomskdoes anyone know how to mount a usb mass storage device? It gets detected when I plug it but I have no idea how to find which filesystem it uses :/06:41
linux_mafiasupported NTFS natively? what does that mean?06:41
ExasparillaTdC_VgA: that doesn't make any sense.  they're totally different, and I've never heard that06:42
Exasparillaunless NTFS is also an acronym for something else06:42
gravies_atomsk: try fdisk /dev/sda06:42
TdC_VgAyeah it didnt make any sense to me either.. it was on some FAQ about mounting ntfs a friend found.06:42
TdC_VgAtrying to find it again06:42
Treenaksyusufg: maybe some distribution supports both..06:42
sriit doesnt look like gnome-vfs htough iwll use howl :/06:42
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Treenakssri: not yet?06:43
TdC_VgAhttp://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/ateQuestionNResponse/0,289625,sid39_cid594334_tax293691,00.html (that's it... use BugMeNot to login)06:43
sriTreenaks: yeah, probably not yet.  I'm sure it'll come but I'm just impatient06:43
ioslipstreamatomsk: try auto instead of manually specifying a filesystem06:43
TdC_VgAmakes no sense to me06:43
Treenakssri: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-vfs-list/2004-June/msg00005.html :P06:43
ioslipstreammount -t auto /foo /bar06:43
sriTreenaks: oh I know it's integrated in gnome-vfs, but the deb package needs to include it.06:43
Treenakssri: file a bug, the packages are in universe..06:44
sriTreenaks: and since I didn't see any dependency for howl for gnome-vfs I assumed it's not incorporated.06:44
TdC_VgAlinux_mafia: any reason there wont be RFS4 support in the next release?06:44
ExasparillaTdC_VgA: email address?06:44
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TdC_VgAanonymous@exa.com is what bugmenot gave me06:44
gravies_atomsk:  fdisk -l /dev/sda will give you a partition list... find the one you want and then mount -t auto /dev/sdaX /mnt06:44
atomskthanks guys I will try these when I get the chance06:45
TdC_VgAputting Ubuntu on my averatec laptop right now, does it have Synaptic Touchpad support nativly or do i need to install the drivers?06:45
linux_mafiaTdC_VgA, a patch to fix grub to support rfs4 broke something else, blah blah blah, you can set it up yourself though, kernel supports it of course06:46
TdC_VgA2.6 kernel correct?06:46
linux_mafiahen hao06:46
ExasparillaTdC_VgA: the login's not working.  doesn't matter.  it can't mean what you thought it did :)06:46
TdC_VgAi can paste the text.. does this # have a paste board?06:47
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guptanHi Room06:47
TdC_VgAhttp://eugeneciurana.com/pastebin/pastebin.php?show=318506:47
guptancan I add debian apt repositories to ubuntu source list?06:47
TdC_VgAthere we go06:47
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linux_mafiaTdC_VgA, you need to patch kernel though, or use an mm kernel06:47
TdC_VgAk06:48
LinuxJonesguptan, it's not recommended 06:48
linux_mafiawtf is that shit roflmao06:48
TdC_VgAthe "ntfs" thing?06:49
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guptanLinuxJones, there is no software like acrobat in my synaptic list06:49
linux_mafiayeah06:49
TdC_VgAit seemed very very very strange to me06:49
LinuxJonesguptan, you need to view .pdf files ?06:49
TdC_VgAit's on ibms supposed "expert" responses or whatever lol06:49
ExasparillaTdC_VgA: Ah.  They must mean using reiser INSTEAD of ntfs on the xp side06:49
Exasparillai do think windows can support reiser06:49
TdC_VgAExasparilla: is that possible?06:49
guptanLinuxJones, I want to view pdf files in firefox using pdf plugin06:49
TdC_VgAinteresting.. i didnt know that06:50
guptanLinuxJones, there is no Mplayer too. Where can I find these programs06:50
TdC_VgAhell i'll format my protable hd with reiser then06:50
LinuxJonesguptan, don't they have the plugin available in the mozilla website ?06:50
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guptanLinuxJones, they ask to install adobe reader then copy one .so file to .mozilla/plugins directory06:51
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guptanI'm doing that job for Java now, I want acrobat also :)06:51
linux_mafiawindows cannot run on reiser06:51
ExasparillaTdC_VgA: rfstool rfsgui - don't know if you can actually run windows on a reiser partition, though06:51
topyliguptan: acroread, the plugin and mustimedia packages are in Christian Marillat's repository for unstable. seems to work for ubuntu too.06:51
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LinuxJonesguptan, xpdf is installed by default06:51
LinuxJonesguptan, you can get mplayer @ apt-get.org probably06:52
TdC_VgAyeah i just checked em out.. interesting stuf06:52
TdC_VgAf06:52
ExasparillaTdC_VgA: That post was insane.  You can access reiser partitions from windows, though.06:52
TdC_VgAprobally not a bad idea for my Portable HD...06:52
TdC_VgALots of updates to warty after install i see..06:52
TdC_VgAI hate this built in Broadcom WiFi device.. since there's no native drivers always have to install those damn NDISWrappers then the windows drivers, ick.06:53
guptanSo you guys think, adding debian apt repository to ubuntu is a BAD idea ?06:53
TdC_VgAguptan: assume it just means they're not verified to work06:53
guptanhmmm06:54
Treenaksand upgrading might break stuff06:54
topyliguptan: don't use it for upgrades, just grab what you need and then comment it out again06:54
linux_mafiaTdC_VgA, get a prog called rfsgui, to access reiser parts from win06:54
TdC_VgAis there any reason openoffice is being downloaded/updated after installing warty? has there been a maintence release or something?06:55
topyliguptan: it's debian unstable anyway, so if it breaks, well, tough :)06:55
linux_mafiaguptan, if you do like topyli said you will be fine, i have a few debian proper packages, you need them if you want to watch dvds06:55
TdC_VgA1.1.2-2 it looks like... hmm guess -1 is on the CD?06:55
TdC_VgAlinux_mafia: using MPlayer for DVD support?06:56
guptanI was actually planning to add debian stable packages.06:56
topylino you need unstable06:56
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Treenaksguptan: uh... tried looking in Universe ?06:56
linux_mafiaTdC_VgA, no, you need libdvdcss06:56
deFryskcan anyone explain why firefox crashes with java pages ?06:56
TdC_VgAlinux_mafia: gotcha..06:56
guptanstable or unstable: I'm looking for Mplayer, acrobat, java, wma plugins06:57
TdC_VgAdeFrysk: using Blackhawk or Suns JRE?06:57
deFrysksuns 06:57
TdC_VgAodd..06:57
deFryskwrong one ?06:57
TdC_VgA1.5 or 1.4.2_05?06:57
deFrysk1.506:57
Treenaksguptan: you don't want acrobat, it sucks compared to xpdf06:57
Treenaks(and even xpdf sucks..)06:57
TdC_VgAdeFrysk: could be the 1.5... not 100% sure06:57
linux_mafiaguptan, Treenaks is right06:57
TdC_VgAtry it with 1.4.2_0506:57
guptanTreenaks, I need a plugin to read pdf files in browser ie Firefox06:58
deFryskTdC_VgA, k 06:58
linux_mafiaTdC_VgA, im using 1.506:58
TdC_VgAdeFrysk: also did you make sure the link to the JRE was correct under firefox?06:58
linux_mafiaTdC_VgA, i just made my own debs06:58
deFryskTdC_VgA, sorry I use 1.4,2.0506:58
deFryskln -s blah ?06:58
deFrysksure i did06:58
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TdC_VgAyeah i need to run 1.5 and Eclipse under this new machine.. no problems there i assume06:59
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TdC_VgAnice mirrors.. 341k a sec.. 201 megs in 9 min heh06:59
linux_mafiaTdC_VgA, i used these instructions http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php07:00
linux_mafiaTdC_VgA, to install j2sdk 1.507:00
TdC_VgAneed to bookmark those.07:00
TdC_VgAthanks =)07:01
deFryskwhere can i get java 1.5 ?07:01
TdC_VgAugh, linux has the worst support for my laptop heh07:01
deFryskj2re that is07:01
linux_mafiadeFrysk, www.sun.com07:01
linux_mafiafunnily enough07:02
linux_mafia;)07:02
deFrysk:D07:02
linux_mafiaonly released 2 days ago i think07:02
TdC_VgA-epia patch applied to the default kernel in ubuntu?07:03
TdC_VgAah, i dont care as long as my video works in VESA i'll be happy.. dont need any advanced graphics anyway.07:04
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guptanwhich is better Sun JRE or Blackdown?07:04
linux_mafiasun id say07:05
amasame07:05
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linux_mafiamay as well use the one from the people who invented it07:05
TdC_VgAsun07:05
TdC_VgAtotally sun07:05
fredHello07:05
hellohi07:05
guptanyeah!07:05
TdC_VgAblackdown is slowwwwww or can be07:05
LinuxJonesUnfortunately Sun is being run by a collection of total idiots07:06
guptanbut my firefox quits when using sun java07:06
TdC_VgAubuntu have any ports open by default? ssh, telnet, etc?07:06
linux_mafiaLinuxJones, haha07:06
fredI'm looking for prepackaged ethereal and vlc07:06
linux_mafiaTdC_VgA, no07:06
fredpowerpc 07:06
TdC_VgAlinux_mafia: excellent07:06
amai remember when redhat used to have daemons running by default07:06
amawell when i used it07:06
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amathat really bugged me 07:06
deFryskman sun is a pain to find anything07:06
TdC_VgAthey used to launch Telent, Apache, Postgresql if you installed it, and a few others.. it was insane07:07
amabecause who needs to really run a telnet and ssh and apache, when you are using a desktop :/07:07
TdC_VgAjava.sun.com07:07
deFryskgonna deb it with alien :)07:07
TdC_VgAi'll put ssh on but that's about it.. maybe VNC07:07
guptanOh, I installed java and linked java plugin to firefox plugin directory, but firefox crashes when using JAVA :|07:07
linux_mafiadeFrysk, https://sdlcweb2a.sun.com/ECom/EComActionServlet/LegalPage:~:com.sun.sunit.sdlc.content.LegalWebPageInfo;jsessionid=sdlcweb2a.sun.com-cdd3%3A416031d0%3Aa2d1ad76ae8953507:08
TdC_VgAi think what got me to try out Ubuntu was one 1) gnome by default 2) (the biggie) firefox by default07:08
deFrysklinux_mafia, I know ;)07:08
TdC_VgAjust made me happy to see someone doing things right heh07:08
linux_mafiadeFrysk, dont do that, use the link i posted awhile back, http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php07:09
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topyliguptan: you probably used the wrong plugin. use the one compiled with gcc3207:09
zapatahei07:09
Tomcat_"Installing the Ubuntu base system"...07:09
guptantopyli, I used gcc32 one 07:09
topyliwell, it's not that then07:09
guptantopyli, any idea what cud be the problem. Actually the site designed for IE. But I've user agent switcher extension for firefox07:10
wm_eddieWoo! XFCE4.2 beta1!07:10
deFrysklinux_mafia, what do you want me to do with that page ?07:11
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topyliguptan: no idea. any other java site works?07:11
TdC_VgAi hope this synaptics touch pad just works..07:11
TdC_VgAthe less drivers to install the better07:11
linux_mafiadeFrysk, i thought you wanted to make a java deb?07:11
guptantopyli, let me see07:11
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deFrysklinux_mafia, yes , but i know ho to do that ;)07:12
=== TdC_VgA doesnt heh
TdC_VgAi will soon enough though07:12
linux_mafiadeFrysk, ok, yeah i thought you did, aren't you a dev?07:13
deFryskno not a dev07:13
jemfinchI thought ubuntu was a new thing.07:13
deFryskjust trying to find a way not to crash firefox07:13
linux_mafiayou used to be in #debian alot yeah?07:13
jemfinchbut there are 221 people here :)07:13
gravies_ /. effect... 07:14
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deFrysknow for the test....07:14
LinuxJonesjemfinch, I think that there will be over 400 when Warty gets officially released !!07:14
jemfinchgravies_: are you one of the originals? :)07:14
TdC_VgAhow can i change the mouse sesitivity?07:15
defendguinwhen did gnome-games start o kick so much ass?07:15
TdC_VgAsensitivity that is07:15
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linux_mafiaTdC_VgA, did you use the preview release to install? or a daily07:15
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LinuxJonesTdC_VgA,  Computer >> Desktop Preferences>>Mouse07:16
amahttp://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/03/1352252&tid=123&tid=108&tid=155&tid=102&tid=9807:16
TdC_VgAwhatever was on the main download link07:16
amaif kodak can win this, the whole linux sco debacle seems pausible07:16
deFryskhmm , with jre1.5 i get nothing07:16
deFrysknot even a firefox starting up07:16
linux_mafiaTdC_VgA, wacky mousage is a bug, once you have upgraded it will settle doen07:17
linux_mafia*down07:17
linux_mafiaTdC_VgA, so dont fiddle with mouse settings yet07:17
TdC_VgAdidnt it upgrade when i installed?07:17
TdC_VgAdoh! just did.. hehe.. how do i update07:17
TdC_VgAapt-get update?07:17
deFrysknope still no go with 1.507:17
linux_mafiaTdC_VgA, yep07:17
linux_mafiathen apt-get upgrade -u07:18
TdC_VgAcool07:18
linux_mafia-u just lets you see what its gonna upgrade07:18
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LinuxJonesama, that might explain Sun's recent agreement with Microsoft for 2 billion.07:18
TdC_VgAalright back in like two hours.. then i'll finish this install.. nice so far though =)07:18
TdC_VgAgotcha07:18
linux_mafiadeFrysk, how did you install your java?07:18
deFryskdpkg -i07:19
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linux_mafiahaha07:19
TdC_VgAdoh07:19
TdC_VgAi dont think i set a root password07:19
TdC_VgAhahahaha07:19
deFrysksudo ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0/plugin/i386/ns7-gcc29/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/07:19
deFryskand done07:19
wm_eddieTdC_VgA: You don't set a root password in ubuntu, just use sudo07:20
linux_mafiadeFrysk, ok, so you made your own deb, just wanted to say that im using j2sdk 1.5 and firefox has not given me any trouble, 07:20
deFryski see07:20
linux_mafiadeFrysk, i did not need to make links manually though07:21
deFryskno ?07:21
deFrysknot needed ?07:21
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amamaybe jones, though i dont see how07:21
amai dont understand how kodak could when that :/07:21
amaeven when looking at the actual patents07:21
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darksatanicThat first patent reads like a grid computing infrastructure.07:22
amawow07:22
amawin*07:22
amawhen that :/07:23
linux_mafiadeFrysk, you select the corresponding package from http://z42.de/debian/ and it takes care of all that stuff07:23
LinuxJonesama, I think that maybe Sun knew this was coming and needed to get a large bag of cash from somwhere. 07:23
amamaybe07:23
linux_mafiadeFrysk, in my case sun-j2sdk1.5debian_0.9_all.deb07:23
LinuxJonesI am so sick and tired of hearing about lawsuits but it couldn't happen to a nicer company.07:24
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amawell both my parents are lawyers07:24
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amabut im tired of hearing of stupid lawsuits 07:24
amalike this one, and the sco one07:24
LinuxJonesya07:24
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mjrLinuxJones, yeah07:25
mjrAt least with the big guys getting hit by stupid patents always has a chance of turning the software patent lobbying tide just a tiny bit. Maybe. One can hope.07:26
amaits only a matter of time before there are a flood of patent infringement cases against linux07:27
amaand other open source software07:27
LinuxJonesama, sadly this is true.07:28
mjryep07:28
mjrI have a feeling they're just waiting for EU to officially adopt them as well07:28
mjrcall me paranoid07:29
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topyliparanoid!07:31
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mjrthanks :)07:31
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q2hi07:32
darksatanicOn amd64, I believe that firefox needs to be compiled with gcc 3.4 to be stable.07:32
darksatanicDoes anyone have any pointers to somewhere I can get a gcc 3.4-compiled firefox from?07:33
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darksatanic(Or a suggestion for how to compile or install one?)07:33
Tomcat_Yep.07:33
Tomcat_And hopefully at that point there'll be riots in the streets.07:33
Ranbazhello, I have a question about how to install the patch 0.10.1 for firefox. If I start firefox with command line and sudo I can patch it with the "critical update" tool (white arrow on a red circle) but it failed with a "normal" use ?07:33
Tomcat_Bug in Firefox.07:34
Tomcat_If nobody else here has a better help, you can read the slashdot comments on the update... I think they worked around the problem somehow.07:34
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visik7I've a problem with the ubuntu 2.6.8.1 kernel when I try to load any acpi module it says no such device with another distro and kernel 2.4.27 everything is ok07:35
visik7how can I solve?07:35
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Treenaksvisik7: make sure ACPI is available/enabled on your machine07:36
visik7I know that this is not the right place to ask it but the problem comes with my new ubuntu installation07:36
Treenaksvisik7: or just ignore the messages :)07:36
visik7Treenaks I say that acpi works fine with 2.4.2707:36
tehmillerw00t w00t!07:36
visik7I need acpi07:36
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Treenaksvisik7: if it works with 2.4.27, it works with 2.6.8.1 -- look at the kernel output, maybe it disables acpi because your BIOS Is from before 1999 ?07:37
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dredgs/1999/2000/07:37
Treenaksdredg: uh yes07:37
tehmiller3d rendering is mine!07:37
LinuxJonesvisik7, what happens when you run discover ?07:37
tehmillernow if it just wasnt on the craptacular xfree07:38
RanbazThanks Tomcat for the answer. It's time to eat in France, bye07:38
dredgactually, technically that should be 2001, or your sentence should read "from 2000 or older" </pedant> :)07:38
visik7maybe I found the problem07:39
Tomcat_?07:39
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visik7if I run 2.6.8.1 with normal parameters it start to say temperature too high shuting down07:39
visik7and I'm forced to use acpi=off 07:39
visik7and than I cannot load the acpi modules07:40
visik7obviously07:40
amphivisik7: never mind acpi, for me 2.6.8.1 broke apm07:40
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visik7who spoke about apm ?07:41
normnmilesvisik7, do you have the latest version of the ubuntu kernel?07:41
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jgeorgesonon a laptop, i've never had much luck on debian with hotplugging a usb mouse. on fedora, i install with just the built in touchpad, and after it's running, i can just plug in my usb wheel mouse and both Just Work. how does ubuntu fair with this?07:42
jgeorgesoner fare even07:42
jamescubeok.. fresh install of ubuntu here (well, updated via synaptic).  if i try to play anything in totem, regardless of movie type or audio file, i get the same error.. An error has occured. resource busy or not available.. wtf is that?07:42
visik7normnmiles if there is a new kernel after the warty release no07:42
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normnmilesi think the latest is 2.6.8.1-3 the one on the warty preview was 2.6.8.1-2.  a developer on the mailing list said the new one had a bunch of patches07:43
visik7anyway I dunno understand why If I run the kernel normally it start to say temperature too high07:43
visik7and init 007:44
visik7:(07:44
YoussefAssadquestion; why all the sudden fuss over ubuntu?07:44
visik7same problem with knoppix >=3.407:44
normnmilesmy laptop was running hot also but acpi was not turning the fan on.07:44
ioslipstreamYoussefAssad: partly cause it's new, and partly cause it rocks07:44
normnmilesupgraded and laptop no hot anymore07:44
visik7with 2.4.x everything was ok07:44
ioslipstreamthe part about it being new would explain the "sudden fuss"07:44
visik72.6 is quite crappy for me07:45
YoussefAssadioslipstream, I ask because the marketroid in me smells coordinated awareness blitz, is all07:46
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jgeorgesonno comment on the hotplugging a usb mouse and everything just working or not?07:46
ioslipstreamYoussefAssad: you are right, to a degree, but the distro has funding as well as great devs07:46
visik7jgeorgeson I install ubuntu with an usb mouse connected07:46
heystevedoes ubuntu have sata support?07:46
visik7and everything is ok07:46
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visik7jgeorgeson both touchpad and mouse work well07:47
YoussefAssadioslipstream, fair enough. I was a debian user once upon a time; I assume ubuntu is built against debian testing or something?07:47
TheMonoToneare there any floppy boot disks for ubuntu?07:47
jgeorgesonvisik7: with no manual config?07:47
ioslipstreamYoussefAssad: sid, yes07:47
visik7jgeorgeson yes no manual config07:47
visik7yes, no manual config07:47
jgeorgesonvisik7: sweet07:47
visik7:) better07:47
YoussefAssadioslipstream, Hmm. Thanks for the info. I'll mull it over.07:47
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tvmkidhi peepz and devs07:47
tvmkidi tried ubuntu 2 days back and it was wonderfull07:48
visik7is possible to install kde in ubunutu ?07:48
ioslipstreamYoussefAssad: i was a diehard gentoo user until i tried ubuntu07:48
LinuxJonestvmkid, hello07:48
linux_mafiaheysteve, yes07:48
TheMonoTonefloppies? anyone?07:48
tvmkidmy thanks and gratitude to all devs :)07:48
jgeorgesondoes warthog have any of the swsusp stuff (or any s2d) built in?07:48
visik7where is the classic debian "modconf" ?07:48
LinuxJonesioslipstream, I liked Gentoo but it takes so long to install anything 07:48
TheMonoToneI love ubuntu, but it won't boot off the cd :-(07:48
YoussefAssadioslipstream, Mandrake currently here. Thing is, though, I' past the point where I'll switch distros for anything non-critical. But still, I'll take a look-see07:48
jgeorgesonvisik7: i just read on slashdot that there is a FAQ entry for what apt source to enable. I think just enabling universe will give you access to the debian kde packages07:49
LinuxJonesvisik7, modconf is not available in Ubuntu :(07:49
tvmkidwe are planning to install ubuntu during our user group's install fest next sturday07:49
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tvmkidsaturday07:49
visik7LinuxJones ?! there is /etc/modules and no modconf ?07:49
ioslipstreamtvmkid: it'll be a short install fest :)07:49
tvmkid:)07:49
LinuxJonesvisik7, yes it is broken07:49
YoussefAssadtvmkid, hmm. We had a smashing installfest here. I think we still had prep notes up on a wiki somewhere. If you're interested I could dig that up07:49
wilerWhat would I install to compile, say, ndiswrapper under Ubuntu? I have a couple of linux-headers packages installed, but it still complains that there's no build directory.07:49
visik7LinuxJones oh ok07:50
YoussefAssadwe had 3,000+ persons. It was nuts07:50
Deep7does ubuntu use LVM by chance?07:50
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tvmkidYoussefAssad: that would be wonderfull :)07:50
LinuxJonesvisik7, I downloaded the modconf.deb from Debian's repo but it will not add/remove any modules for me07:50
visik7if I add new hardware to my ubuntu box is it recognized automatically ?07:50
tvmkidwe do not expect such a big croud though07:50
YoussefAssadtvmkid, okie, looing07:50
jgeorgesonare there really no north american iso mirrors?07:50
YoussefAssadtvmkid, we didn't either :)07:50
LinuxJonesDeep7, yes07:51
supertux_anyone know where i can get a "ubuntu inside" sticker?07:51
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TheMonoTonefsck07:51
tvmkidYoussefAssad: :)07:51
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TheMonoToneno floppy boot disks eh07:51
linux_mafiawiler,  "I have a couple of linux-headers packages installed", well are they the correct ones for your kernel? not much good if they're not07:52
jgeorgesonTheMonoTone, i can't give a definitive answer, but I've never noticed any when looking at the download page07:52
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YoussefAssadtvmkid, here: http://linux-egypt.manalaa.net/index.php/MayInstallFest07:52
LinuxJonesjgeorgeson, I downloaded @ 600 kb/s using bittorrent 07:52
TheMonoToneme either :-(07:52
TheMonoTonedammit all to hell07:53
TheMonoTonegotta go find a cdrom drive that works now...07:53
jgeorgesonLinuxJones: bittorrent has never liked me very much, for some reason07:53
wilerlinux_mafia: I have <headers>-2.6.8.1-3 and <headers>-2.6.8.1-3-386 installed.07:53
LinuxJonesjgeorgeson, it's all of the leeching. 50 people seeding and 500 downloading.07:53
linux_mafiaTheMonoTone, net install?07:53
tvmkidYoussefAssad: was this the install fest mentioned in /. ?07:54
linux_mafiaLinuxJones, amen07:54
YoussefAssadtvmkid, yep07:54
wilerOh, I see. Perhaps I have to install the updated linux-image. Pip.07:54
tvmkidYoussefAssad: cool!! 07:54
TheMonoTonelinux_mafia, how would I turn that in to a floppy though?07:55
YoussefAssad:)07:55
TheMonoToneI didn't see any docs on it07:55
YoussefAssadbest of luck tvmkid. Think I'll go do something useful now07:55
TheMonoToneah nm07:55
TheMonoToneI found what I needed07:56
linux_mafiawiler, if youd bothered to look into installing ndiswrapper, you would have found you need the kernel source, not just the headers07:56
TheMonoToneon the cd /install/README.sbm I believe07:56
TheMonoToneif anyone else asks07:56
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ElVirolo_awayhi all07:56
wilerlinux_mafia: Well, it's jolly nice of you to tell me.07:57
tehmilleranyone have the ndiswrappers working here?07:57
jkyup, not on ubuntu though07:58
linux_mafiawiler, ;)07:59
linux_mafiahttp://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?Distributions07:59
jkand i have to say, these winxp drivers work better under linux than the respective linux drivers :S07:59
tehmillerjk, on debian based though?08:00
tof_which software i can use to burn dvdr from ubuntu ?08:00
jktehmiller: slackware08:00
tehmillerjk, heh, not helpful :P08:00
Treenakstof_: just insert the CD08:00
jktehmiller: sorry :)08:00
tehmillerjk, i have em working 100% in gentoo, fc3, and slack08:00
jktehmiller: what's the problem?08:00
jkah08:00
Treenakstof_: the CD burner app will pop up08:00
tof_nautilus ?08:00
tehmilleri'm new to building modules on deb based08:00
ElVirolo_awayI think ubuntu is a great distro... but i have a very annoying prob with it (which occurs with several other distros) ... I connect to the net via an adsl modem/router with a static IP... the connection works for a few minutes and then it suddenly stops... i can't connect to the router's web interface, and the only thing i can ping is the router itself... the same problem occurs on Mandrake and SuSE but suprisingly, the connection08:00
ElVirolo_awaycan anyone help me ?08:01
Treenakstof_: yes, unless you want to burn audio CD,s then you'll want k3b08:01
ElVirolo_awayand the second thing is : is kde 3.3 planned to be availible some day ?08:01
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sri_there is a project called coaster/libburn that probably could use some volunteers to help08:02
TreenaksElVirolo_away: next version (hoary) will have the newest kde08:02
ElVirolo_awayTreenaks: ok... but is it possible to have a constantly upgraded "unstable" version like sid ?08:03
TreenaksElVirolo_away: not yet, but I've heard that after warty releases, a new snapshot of unstable will be made and stabilized08:03
ElVirolo_awayok :)08:04
ElVirolo_awaythx08:04
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ElVirolo_awayany ideas for my networking problem?08:04
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linux_mafiaElVirolo_away, what kind of card08:06
jemfinchso who are the actual ubuntu developers here?08:06
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jensensElVirolo_away: do you have a dhcpclient running?08:06
ElViroloI have a realtek network card which is pretty standard08:06
ElViroloi do not have dhcpclient running08:06
ElViroloi don't think so anyway08:07
linux_mafiaElVirolo, what kind? specifics always get quicker better answers08:07
Mitariohmm, how do I convert utf 8 to the locale ubuntu uses?08:07
jensensElVirolo: if the connection stops and youre only able to ping the router it looks like somethings is setting your route wrong automagically08:07
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ElVirololinux_mafiasorry, it's a  Fast Ethernet PCI Realtek RTL8139 Family08:08
linux_mafiaElVirolo, 8139cp or 8139too module?08:09
ElVirololinux_mafia: 8139too08:09
linux_mafiaMitario, dpkg-reconfigure locales08:09
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jgeorgesonis there any s2d support packaged into ubuntu warty?08:10
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linux_mafiaElVirolo, does the card actually die? can it still ping itself?08:12
linux_mafiaElVirolo, sorry you can still ping the router cant you08:12
ElVirololinux_mafia: no it's still there and pings itself08:12
ElViroloyup :)08:12
linux_mafiawhats in your /etc/resolv.conf? and are you setting the cards ip manually?08:13
ElViroloi am indeed setting it up manually, and the dns is 192.168.1.108:14
ElVirolo(the router itself)08:14
linux_mafiawhat ip you give the card?08:15
ElVirolo192.168.1.508:15
linux_mafiadoes your router do dhcp?08:15
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wsxhi!08:15
ElVirolono, that's the problem : it has a dhcp server for the usb port, but not the ethernet port08:16
ElViroloand i can't change it, as I am hiring the router from my isp08:16
linux_mafiawhat router?08:16
wsxcould anybody explain (in newbie-fashion) how to add mp3-playing into my fresh ubuntu-install?08:17
ElVirololinux_mafia: a Comtrend CT-600 VOIP router08:17
jensenswsx: sudo apt-get install xmms (i prefer xmms)08:17
dredgwsx: 1. have a working soundcard and speaker setup. 2. have some mp3s. 3. use an app like rhythmbox to play them. 4. rejoice and feel happy.08:18
vrlnwsx: ubuntu supports mp3 playing out the the box, you don't have to tweak anything. Just get any mp3 player and it should work08:18
vrlnassuming your alsa is working that is08:18
azeemvrln: really? I thought it didn't initially. Did they change it?08:18
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vrlnas far as I know ubuntu has always supported mp3:s. Fedora is propably the only one that doesn't08:19
dustin_Quick question, is it possible to convert from a debian system to ubuntu without borking anything?08:19
vrlnI'm not 100% sure by any means though08:19
wsxargh! it is really THAT easy? Damn! Ok, thanks a lot. I'll try it...08:19
linux_mafiaElVirolo, i dont believe that it only does dhcp on the usb interface, that dosent make sense08:19
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dproHey08:20
dproi have a little question08:20
ElVirololinux_mafia: well, i am positively sure it does08:20
dproi want to make my ubuntu not to search for internet at startup08:20
linux_mafiaElVirolo, have you tried? 08:20
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ElVirololinux_mafia: the debian installer doesn't find a dhcp server on the router ...08:21
Erixhi08:21
ElViroloneither does diskdrake nor yast08:21
linux_mafiaElVirolo, i didnt mean i dont believe you, i just meant "i dont believe it" it seems strange08:22
linux_mafiaElVirolo, what does route show?08:22
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ElVirololinux_mafia: i understand :) 08:22
ElVirolohum08:22
ElViroloi did that before with another guy, and it turned out route was showing the right stuff until it "disconnected" and then didn't show up anything... i'm sorry not to be able to give more detail but as you can understand, i am not using ubuntu right now08:24
linux_mafiaopk08:24
linux_mafiaok08:24
linux_mafiaeven08:24
dprohey do you even see what i write?08:25
linux_mafiadpro, no08:25
linux_mafiadpro, cant see it08:25
dproheh ok08:25
dproi'll try again08:25
dproi want to make my ubuntu not to search for internet at startup08:25
dprohow can i do that?08:25
linux_mafiadpro, whats "search for the Internet" mean?08:26
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TheMonoTonewhat a pain in the ass08:26
TheMonoToneneed to nab a cdrom drive from work...08:26
linux_mafiaTheMonoTone, you get netinst sussed?08:26
TheMonoToneno08:26
TheMonoTonehad to steal a drive from my other computer08:26
dprowell.. at startup its startingup eth0 and then it wants to startup the network08:26
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TheMonoTonethey need to do something about floppy install08:27
dproi dont want it to startup the network08:27
TheMonoTonenot every computer has a cdrom drive...08:27
dredgI'm sorry, but its 2004. id like to see the demise of the floppy, preferably noe. thanks.08:27
TheMonoTonedredg, no thanks pal08:28
TheMonoTonethat little floppy drive has saved me many times08:28
TheMonoToneevery computer has one08:28
TheMonoToneor just about08:28
dredgmine doesnt08:28
amphiTheMonoTone: yeah08:28
TheMonoTonedredg, then your missing out :-)08:29
dredgno, im missing nothing :)08:29
ElVirololinux_mafia: i have to go pretty soon08:29
dredgnasty fragile little things :)08:29
ElVirolothx a lot for your help :)08:30
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linux_mafiaElVirolo, no worries08:30
amphidredg: they are that, but damn handy occasionally08:30
TheMonoTonewell, let me know when you have to deal with situations where nothing else works08:30
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linux_mafiaTheMonoTone, did you try netboot?08:30
TheMonoTonewhat netboot linux_mafia? where are the docs for it eh?08:30
TheMonoToneits on the cd08:30
TheMonoTonebut no floppy images08:31
dredg"nothing else" being what, exactly?08:31
hazmatTheMonoTone, the network is the floppy ;-)08:31
dproomg... you ignore me totally08:31
dproits so annoying08:31
TheMonoTonedredg, how do you update your bios?08:31
TheMonoToneburn a cd with the bios and dos boot?08:31
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linux_mafiadpro, disable your nic08:32
dredgno, i use my usb key and boot from that08:32
jgeorgesondpro: IRC is like that sometimes. if you don't want the network to come up on boot, set a different runlevel as default in /etc/inittab08:32
TheMonoTonedredg, what happens if the computer doesn't boot from usb?08:32
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TheMonoToneI'm perfectly satisfied with my p3 1ghz08:32
TheMonoTonenot about to go spend another $500 on a mobo, cpu, and ram, just so I can ditch the floppy drive08:33
TheMonoTonethere are plenty of old computers still around08:33
jgeorgesonTheMonoTone, Roxio and Nero, and I would hope the linux tools, can take a CD image and create a bootable CD. and most recent BIOSes I've used can be flash updated from within a running OS08:33
linux_mafiadpro, computer -> system config -> networking -> disable start card on boot08:33
TheMonoToneand they aren't going anywhere while they work fine08:33
fragmentHey, anyone familiar with Terminal Server Client?08:33
TheMonoTonemy job still runs mostly p2 350mhz dells, they work fine for web, word, and email, those people don't need anything better08:33
TheMonoToneso they aren't going to spend the money on it08:34
jgeorgesonTheMonoTone: didn't dredg say new computers should ship without floppies? they make sens on old machines, but not new ones08:34
hazmatdpro, remove the symlinks and the network dependent services from the appropriate run levels in /etc/rc*08:34
dredgTheMonoTone: meh. as i said its 2004 and id like the floppy to go away. your system clearly isnt from 2004, so who cares?08:34
linux_mafiajesus08:34
linux_mafiaand the care bears08:34
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hazmatdpro, nm.. linux_mafia's solution is much nicer.08:34
hazmatthats cool08:34
fragmentIf you install Windows and your primary drive is on a SCSI controller, it prompts for drivers on floppy (with no other alternative)08:35
fragmentI believe RH still does the same with modules needed at install.08:35
jgeorgesonhazmat: linux_mafia's solution just does the one card, I thought dpro said no networking on boot08:35
dprolinux_mafia: thank you guys!08:35
dredgrh driver disks can use cdroms08:35
fragmentdredg, Sweet08:35
dprowhoops08:35
dprothank you guys08:35
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dredgi know this cos i had to do it last week on a shiney new dell with a shiney new (red: unsupported) scsi raid card08:36
fragmentdredg, So it's only MS that's schitzophrenic about getting rid of legacy devices.08:36
linux_mafiafragment, which version of win? dont make me talk win in here but, if you make a slipstream disk of xp with sp2, no floppies needed for anything anymore i think08:36
hazmatjgeorgeson, to me it looks as though you can do multiple network cards there.08:36
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dprowell.. now i have this strange Transmeta Crusoe TM5800 CPU. How do i easily recompile my kernel?08:36
jgeorgesonhazmat: but id doesn't get rid of 'networking.'08:36
fragmentlinux_mafia, try using 3ware controllers, or anything else that doesn't have drivers as part of the base.08:36
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fragmentlinux_mafia, lots of RAID controllers won't have drivers on the CD.08:37
hazmatjgeorgeson, no net interfaces minus localhost/loopback doesn't amount to the same?08:37
linux_mafiafragment, sp2 is a big fuckoff sp, i think theres a lot of shit on there08:37
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linux_mafiafragment, no they dont08:37
fragmentBut, no TS Client users here?  I'm wondering if it'll let me create Citrix/ICA sessions with a default icaclient install, or if there's something else I'll have to do to get it in the menu(s).08:38
dredgdemented. damn thing should accept any removable media instead of just floppies08:39
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fragmentTrying not to butcher the beautifully clean Ubuntu menus.  :)08:39
dredgall new servers i get in are floppy-less. getting a floppy drive into these things is more pain than its worth.08:40
jgeorgesonhazmat: but what about other services. I thought maybe dpro wanted to get rid of all those too. he thanked us, and linux_mafia in specific, so I probably misunderstood the request. but disabling the NICs isn't the same as booting without any networking (booting in runlevel 2)08:40
fragmentAll of ours have the slimline CD/floppy thing08:40
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linux_mafiajgeorgeson, yes but its not gonna "feel" out with no nic, i assume hes probably talking about the ntp sync08:41
jgeorgesonlinux_mafia: does ubuntu have ntp enabled by default? can that be disabled easily in the install?08:42
linux_mafiaTheMonoTone, could you use debian proper netinst floppy, then give ubuntu repos?08:43
TheMonoTonelinux_mafia, I don't know08:43
TheMonoToneI'll try that next time08:43
TheMonoToneits already installed now though08:44
TheMonoToneso no big deal08:44
linux_mafiajgeorgeson, ntp enabled by default i think, i cant remember telling it to use it, rcconf does not include ntpdate, i suppose you would have to use update-rc.d to turn it off, but i hate cli, if i dont have to use it08:44
dredgntpdate is in rcS.d08:45
dredgwhich is a bit of a pain, as it runs on my laptop before pcmcia does :)08:45
hazmatit is does ntp by default... i just assumed there was a dependency system between rc files... like in gentoo ;-)08:45
linux_mafiadredg, yes its dumb08:45
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rapha_Hi all!08:46
hazmathi rapha_08:46
linux_mafianot high enough :(08:46
rapha_Is it hard to get a German Ubuntu?08:46
dproehh no... just choose it at installation?08:47
rapha_Oh. Cool.08:47
dproi think so.. it works with danish P:08:47
TheMonoTonek3b doesn't see my cdrom drive as being burnable, would that mean I need to setup the drive with scsi emulation08:48
TheMonoToneI've been using freebsd for a few years now...08:48
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linux_mafiaTheMonoTone, using root, er sudo? or as normal user?08:48
rapha_And everything will be in German? GNOME, Evo and so forth? My gf is getting a computer, and their family is a Windows family. So I'd only like her to see Linux at its best; and she won't accept any English in her OS (sad but true)....08:48
TheMonoTonesudo08:48
TheMonoToneoh wait nm08:49
TheMonoTonehaha, I forgot to run it under sudo08:49
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dprorapha_: im not sure, but most of it will be in german08:49
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dpronot the man pages08:49
dprobut the rest08:49
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linux_mafiaTheMonoTone, it wouldnt normally matter, you run setup initially as root, and then normal users can burn, but there is a bug/problem with 2.6.8.x that stops that08:51
rapha_Cool08:51
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rapha_Then I'll be curious as to how Ubuntu will compete with Windows XP for her...08:51
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TheMonoToneah08:51
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TheMonoToneI'll just make the icon do sudo k3b then08:51
wilerWell, I went through the steps required to install ndiswrapper, when I try to do 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper' I get this: FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted08:51
linux_mafiarapha_, i can almost guarantee she will hate spatial08:51
TheMonoTonethanks08:51
dprorapha_: its running very good on my laptop08:52
dprorapha_: i was suprised how fast it was08:52
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jgeorgesonrapha_: I'm with linux_mafia on the spatial thing, you might consider setting the preference to browse by default08:53
peringzhow can I know the gcc version on my ubuntu box?08:53
opigcc -version08:53
opi--08:53
opior08:53
opiapt-cache show gcc08:54
aI get sound at startup but not playing CDs with Ubuntu.  HOw can I fix this?08:54
ais there a sound mixer?08:54
peringzgcc command not available08:54
jgeorgesona: load the volume mixer and check the CD volume08:54
linux_mafiaTheMonoTone, if you are interested http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=22028&highlight=k3b+root+mmc08:54
peringzdoes that mean gcc not installed08:54
opiperingz: possibly08:54
dproperingz: do the apt-cahce show gcc08:54
dredgperingz: apt-get install build-essential08:54
aumm... where's the volume mixer?08:55
amaalsamixer08:55
amaor kmix08:55
amadunno what the gnome is called08:55
octalc0dewhy do i get static on my speakers08:55
amagmix maybe?08:55
peringzdo I need gcc to run java (blackdown) in my system08:55
amphiaumix08:55
linux_mafiaperingz, no08:55
opiperingz: no08:55
opiperingz: for building stuff, compiling kernel08:55
TheMonoTonewell, time to go put this thing to use now, and type up a few papers08:55
jgeorgesona: it will be in the sound/multimedia menu group08:55
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peringzRequirements08:55
peringz    - i586 compatible system08:56
peringz    - glibc 2.2.5 or newer08:56
peringz    - kernel 2.4.18 or newer08:56
peringz    - XFree 4.2 or newer08:56
peringz    - libstdc++ from gcc-3.2 or newer (only needed for the gcc-3.2 Java build)08:56
peringz    - Mozilla 1.0 or newer built with gcc-2.95 or gcc-3.2 depending08:56
peringz      on which Java build you use (needed only for the Java Plug-In)08:56
opir (only needed for the gcc-3.2 Java build)08:56
peringzooops sorry08:56
opilubstdc++08:56
opilib08:56
peringzokay08:56
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jemfinchopi: that sounds like a Freudian slip.08:56
jgeorgesona: you could also click on the volume panel applet, and it will have an option to open the mixer08:57
peringzso which plugin shud I choose when including plugin for firefox08:57
pyramidjgeorgeson, how do you set nautilus out of the spatial mode...i too am bothered by this08:57
wilerHas anyone had trouble loading the ndiswrapper module after installing it?08:57
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rapha_linux_mafia: Hehe. No way. She's gonna get spatial. It was made for people like her, and I'm finding it invaluable myself (being a programmer and power user). Besides I don't think she'll do much file management08:57
opijemfinch: nope, Im not native speaker ;p08:58
jgeorgesonpyramid: off the menu, there should be a file browser entry under preferences. launch it, one of the tabs should have a checkbox to make browsing the default08:58
linux_mafiapyramid, easy way or hard way?08:58
peringzi'm confused which blackdown java shud I install gcc one or the other one?08:58
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opijemfinch: you can translate lub in my language as ,,or'' ;)08:58
jemfinchheh08:58
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pyramidthe easy way for gnome2.808:59
jemfinchin English it's sometimes used instead of "luv" which is a replacement for "love"08:59
Sirius_Blackto install ubuntu with 2.6 kernel, what do i do 08:59
opijemfinch: I dislike sutch English :/08:59
Tomcat_Sirius_Black: Download the installer CD, then boot from it and install? :D08:59
linux_mafiapyramid, get gtweakui from debian unstable, install, use08:59
Sirius_BlackTomcat_: is 2.6.8 the default kernel?08:59
Tomcat_Yes.09:00
opijemfinch: Mine ain't better, yet, I prefer to read good english instead of ,,kiddish''09:00
Sirius_BlackTomcat_: i thought if just hit enter i would get 2.4 kernel rather tahn 2,6 :-)09:00
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pyramidi am looking at file browser prefernces..but i don't see how to turn the spatial mode off.09:00
opijemfinch: all this U instead of you, 2 as too/to and w00t sound silly ;P09:01
jemfinchhehe09:01
aI installed aumix, turned up CD volume ... no sound from CD yet.. any ideas?09:01
jgeorgesonlinux_mafia: is there really no option in the file browser preference app? there is one in fedora, I just assumed it was added upstream09:01
pyramidi would like it to behave more like konqeror09:01
dprocan i use debian apt-get mirrors?09:01
linux_mafiajgeorgeson, i dont think so, im not actually sure09:01
dprocause i need plugins and so on for mozilla...09:01
opidpro: IF you have to09:01
opidpro: it's not wise to mix Ubuntu with Debian ;)09:02
opionly, if you have The Skills :)09:02
jgeorgesonlinux_mafia: i hate when i try a different distro and find such little niceties were added in fedora instead of upstream09:02
linux_mafiapyramid, really, instead of doing that, run gconf-editor and /apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_browser to true09:02
dproopi ok... well... if how do i install plugins for mozilla then?09:02
jgeorgesondpor: just enable the 'universe' component of the ubuntu repos09:02
pyramidthe only choices in file browser behavior is double click..run executables...and empty the trash09:02
dproif i cant use debian apt-get sources09:02
opidpro: you can download it and dpkg -i package09:02
opidpro: or use universe09:03
linux_mafiajgeorgeson, no you can09:03
dprouniverse?09:03
opiit's Ubuntu word for outside packages ;)09:03
jgeorgesonlinux09:03
pyramidi just don't like the way nautilus opens windows everywhere...i prefer to click on a folder and display the results in the same window09:03
ain sources.list , uncomment the universe sources09:03
jgeorgesonlinux_mafia: no i can what?09:03
linux_mafiapyramid, file manager prefs -> behaviour -> behaviour open in browser windows09:04
linux_mafiajgeorgeson, that09:04
pyramidok i found that checkbox...let me try it out09:04
jgeorgesonlinux_mafia: sweet. i'm have windows booted right now so I couldn't dig for it myself09:04
aI get sound at startup, no CD sound,  I turned up CD volume in aumix, stlll no CD sound... how come?09:04
pyramidyes it is working...fantastic...great job gnome09:05
peringzhow can I uninstall j2re from sun systems?09:05
jgeorgesona: do you have the audio cable running from your cd to your sound card?09:05
linux_mafiaa - thats the worst nick ever09:05
aya ... bad nick09:05
opi;))09:05
linux_mafiaa - do you use analog cable, or dae?09:05
thawhow long has ubuntu been out for?09:05
anothing changed from other installs with CD working09:05
aanalog09:05
jgeorgesonperingz: I just download from java.sun.com, and run the sh to install it in /usr/local, and then symlink the plugin in .../firefox/plugins09:05
linux_mafiathaw, about 2 weeks09:05
pyramidnow my next project is to try and get cameras working for GNU/Linux09:06
peringzjgeorgeson, now I want uninstall j2re any idea how?09:06
pyramidi finally got a compile on digikam and gtkam09:06
jgeorgesonpyramid, if you have the gtkam and gphoto stuff installed, you might just be able to plug it in (assuming it's a usb camera)09:06
jgeorgesonperingz: using my 'install' method just delete the symlink and rm -rf /usr/local/java09:07
peringzok thanks09:07
apity09:07
pyramidjgeorgeson, no i had a camera but it worked only on windows..i never could get it to work on linux...but there is a list of cameras in digikam..maybe i should try one of those.09:07
jgeorgesona: the mute checkbox isn't checked for the cd channel is it?09:07
anot according to aumix09:08
linux_mafiaa - apt-get install xmms-cdread09:08
ait's about 50%09:08
aok09:08
pyramidjust like my HP and Brother printers....i never could get them to work in linux...but i finally got epson mfc cx5400 to work in linux09:08
linux_mafiaa - hangon, actually i think thats for dae09:08
q2HEllo Qo-noS09:09
pyramidso you know..it is just one step at a time09:09
jgeorgesona: do you get any error messages, or does the app think everything is playing fine?09:09
jgeorgesonpyramid: march on, brave soldier ;09:09
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axmms thinks it's playing but no sound09:10
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jgeorgesona: do other apps have the same problem?09:10
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ayup... zinf, etc09:11
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jgeorgesona: does it work if you run it under sudo?09:11
aahh...09:11
jgeorgesona: maybe your user should be in the audio group or something (i've had that problem with pure debian before)09:12
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anot under sudo either09:12
LinuxJonesa: is the application saying that it is playing the song ?09:13
jgeorgesona: your speakers don't have the volume all the way down do they?09:13
anope, I get sound at startup09:13
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ayes app says it's playing 09:13
jgeorgesona: sounds like quite a party trick you've got there09:13
a:-)09:13
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LinuxJonesa: well it has to be volume turned down09:14
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ahuh09:14
jgeorgesondoes ubuntu use x.org? if so what version?09:14
LinuxJonesa: yoursure it is not muted ?09:14
punkass_did u check alsamixer to make sure volumes are up and not Muted09:14
RandyWalkerhello ubuntu people :)09:14
darksatanicjgeorgeson: No, it uses XFree86.09:14
aI checked aumix, 09:14
LinuxJonesRandyWalker, hi09:14
normnmilesjgeorgeson: not this version...but it's planned for next i think09:14
darksatanicjgeorgeson: It will use X.org in the next version, they claim.09:14
punkass_run: alsamixer in a terminal09:14
punkass_normally the only two u need to worry about are Master and PCM09:15
hazmatnext version will be spring next year...09:15
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RandyWalkerso... I don't suppose there're ATI AiW drivers for Ubuntu? :)09:15
punkass_make sure there is no MM at the tops09:15
staticactivityhello everyone, i've just finished installing ubuntu, its really good09:16
pojis there a known fix yet for the firefox updater issue ? ;-)09:16
jgeorgeson4th times a charm, is there any suspend-to-disk functionality packaged into ubuntu?09:16
pojI can run firefox as root but thats hardly desireable <G>09:16
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LinuxJonesstaticactivity, we all feel the same :)09:16
Sirius_Blackis it possible to do just a basic ubuntu install (no X etc etc etc) 09:16
LinuxJonesSirius_Black, yes you can do a base install09:17
hazmatjgeorgeson, there seems to be some.. yes.. at least it suspends for me on a powerbook09:17
Sirius_BlackLinuxJones: please feel free to elaborate :-)09:17
staticactivitycan i directly edit the xfree config file to change the color depth09:17
jgeorgesonhazmat: to disk or to ram? (if you remove the power cable and battery, can you still resume)09:17
LinuxJonesSirius_Black, >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions see # 1109:18
jgeorgesonstaticactivity, i can't imagine why not09:18
jemfinchso ubuntu is a Python-friendly distribution?09:18
LinuxJonesstaticactivity, you can also run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8609:18
staticactivityjgeorgeson: I was doubtful as X it was automatically configured09:18
linux_mafiaSirius_Black, type custom at install prompt09:18
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LinuxJonesjemfinch, it's installed by default09:18
punkass_jemfinch: yes it is09:19
staticactivityLinuxJones: ok, i'll try that. thanks09:19
jgeorgesoni'd really love to see someone take the system-config apps from redhat, and package them for debian. that would make my year09:19
jemfinchwhy was Python picked?09:19
Sirius_Blacklinux_mafia: will that let me do basci install with 2.6 kernel tho'09:19
punkass_maybe cuz pygtk works well with gnome09:19
LinuxJonesjemfinch, why was it picked for inclusion into Ubuntu ?09:19
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jgeorgesonjemfinch: because python is super wesome09:20
jgeorgesonsuper awesome even09:20
jemfinchLinuxJones: yes :)09:20
jemfinchoh, super awesome? :)09:20
jemfinchwell, that clinches it.09:20
LinuxJonesjemfinch, it's easy to work with I suppose09:20
jgeorgesonglad i could help09:20
normnmilesjemfinch: from faq.."Python is a great glue language. Ubuntu is open to requests for funding work that needs to be done to make Python the most widespread common scripting language on the net."09:20
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jemfinchnormnmiles: ah, that makes sense.09:21
jemfinchdoes this channel have any bots?09:21
jgeorgesonjemfinch: i'm just curious, is there a different scripting language you prefer?09:22
jemfinchjgeorgeson: no, I'm actually a Python hacker myself :)09:22
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jemfinchjgeorgeson: I was just curious what the reasons were for ubuntu picking Python.09:22
jgeorgesonjemfinch: super awesome indeed09:22
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Sirius_Blackok guys - i wanna install ubuntu on a mchine with a small HD.  128Mb swap and 1.4Gb for /.  Is that enuff?09:23
opiSirius_Black: should be enuff09:23
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normnmilesthe default install is 1.5g  might be pushing it09:23
opiSirius_Black: depends what you're going to install09:23
opiSirius_Black: use custom mode and apt-get it by hand09:24
Sirius_Blacktnx opi09:24
jemfinchjgeorgeson: the reason I was asking why the channel had any bots is because at some point, I can imagine people might want a bot in the channel, and I've just the bot for them :)09:25
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sladenSirius_Black: the base install is 1248MB + overhead + space for copied packages, so you'll need to choose custom09:25
Sirius_Blacksladen: tnx mate.  lemme start again then :-(09:26
Sirius_Blackis kernel-source-2.6.8 (the one with ubuntu 4.10 CD) on the CD?09:27
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opiSirius_Black: it's in apt resp. for sure09:27
opiSirius_Black: or kernel.org :)09:27
amy mobo has AC97 onboard sound but I have an SBLive card too... thought that might be the problem, but neither one is working for CD sound .. although there's sound at startup09:28
ais this another bad karma issue?09:28
opican't tell09:28
opihaven't use analog CD ever :)09:28
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aso tell me... will installing things from universe break my system:  a) sometimes b) never c) don't know  ?09:30
Sirius_Blackd) most of the time :-)09:31
auniverse stuff is compiled with "main" libraries?  does that mean it shouldn't break stuff?09:31
aseriously... is it risky installing from universe?09:31
LinuxJonesa, it should be ok09:32
LinuxJonesa, I am running some stuff from universe and have no problems09:32
a"should" ?  on a scale of 1 to 10 means...09:32
ais this like "unstable" vs. vanilla , etc.  ?09:32
|trey|a: install them, they are fine... Sirius_Black is just trying to scare you...09:32
LinuxJonesa, It is unsupported software so you take your chances. I can't guarantee that something bad will not happen to your system.09:33
Sirius_Blacka: sorry mate, i was just joking09:33
aI read unsupported for security updates09:33
|trey|a: they will begin to come from Sid, so you should be careful (install apt-listbugs), but for the most part, they will be just as stable as other packages, and will fit into your system just fine...09:33
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acan anyone compare this to Libranet's "safe update archive"?  same idea? better?09:34
adon't think Libranet has 13,000 apps 09:34
|trey|a: I would trust them more then anything from Libranet... Libranet devs aren't even Debian Developers...09:35
Sirius_Blackvga=788 is framebuffered console at 800X600, vga=791 is framebuffred console at 1024x768.  does anyone know which values is for 1024x600?09:35
awho'd want 1024X600?09:35
Sirius_Blacka: me09:36
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awhy?09:36
Sirius_Blacki have an old toshiba portege 300ct09:36
|trey|Sirius_Black: doesn't exist... look through Gentoo docs, they have them all listed...09:36
aahhhh...09:36
Sirius_Black|trey|: tnx09:36
staticactivitywhy can't I become root by giving 'su' or 'su -'09:36
aGentoo = permanent beta testing09:36
a:-)09:36
|trey|a: comments based on opinion are not warrented...09:36
aor even warranted09:37
|trey|a: fucking tool09:37
atut tut...09:37
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LinuxJonesstaticactivity, there is no root user account enabled by default use sudo and type your password instead09:37
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|trey|Gentoo's docs list something that is useful to him... I'm not telling him to use Gentoo... your opinion is useless.09:38
staticactivityLinuxJones: so can I even mount my ntfs partitions with that09:38
Nomadwhere is gkrellm?09:38
asorry dude... just being light... try it sometime09:38
LinuxJonesstaticactivity, oh yes 09:38
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normnmilesnomad you need to install it...sudo apt-get install gkrellm09:39
|trey|staticactivity: its safe for reading, just don't change too many files  ;)09:39
Nomadthnx09:39
staticactivity|trey|: yeah i just want to copy some files, thanks09:39
Lv...as a gentoo dev, i take offense to that statement09:40
|trey|staticactivity: should be fine  :)09:40
|trey|Lv: no one cares   ;)09:40
Lv:P09:40
dickm[coding] aaagh09:40
Nomad gkrellm09:40
staticactivityhey one more question, how can i change the default keybinding to emacs09:41
|trey|Lv: Gentoo's fine... this is #ubuntu though... y'all did very well with docs, and thought it would be helpful to him  :)09:41
staticactivityi remember gnome 2.6 having an option in 'Keyboard Shortcuts'09:41
|trey|staticactivity: afaik, you have to do it via gconf now  :/09:41
a"Gentoo's fine"  <--- not another opinion is it ?09:41
Lv0.o09:42
opino flame wars, please09:42
opiGentoo's fine, Ubuntu's fine, Window's fine09:42
|trey|staticactivity: look through google, I forget the exact place to change it...09:42
staticactivity|trey|: gconf-editor?09:43
|trey|staticactivity: yeah, cept google can tell you were to look more specifically  :)09:43
staticactivity|trey|: okay, i'll check it out, thanks09:43
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jgeorgesoncan the ubuntu installer specify ssid and 128bit wep keys?09:44
|trey|jgeorgeson: no idea... #debian-boot09:45
|trey|I think thats the right channel for debian-installer questions...09:45
Sirius_Blackguys - i just did a basic ubunut install and i tired to apt-cache search kernel-source.  i got nothing :-(09:45
|trey|jgeorgeson: yeah, please type /j #debian-boot  - its the same installer  :)09:46
Sirius_Blackwhat do i need to add to sources.list to get 2.6.8.1-2-386 kernel sourse09:46
|trey|Sirius_Black: absolutly nothing09:46
dredgSirius_Black: linux-source09:46
linux_mafiaSirius_Black, what arch you on?09:46
|trey|dredg: he said what does he need in sources.list, its in main  :/09:46
Sirius_Blackdredg: i thought it was kernel-source09:46
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Sirius_Blacklinux_mafia: 158609:47
|trey|Sirius_Black: wrong again, making a habbit of that aren't you09:47
Sirius_Black**linux_mafia: i58609:47
jgeorgeson|trey| no need to say it twice, i'm currently waiting for their response. :)09:47
dredg|trey|: yes, but the package is 'linux-source' not 'kernel-source'09:47
Sirius_Blackdredg: cheers mate09:47
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|trey|jgeorgeson: ahh... sorry, checked myself  :)09:47
linux_mafiaholy hell, do we need to join #anger_management09:47
|trey|dredg: still didn't answer his question... :/09:48
jgeorgesonlinux_mafia: screw you ...;)09:48
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|trey|linux_mafia: I see no anger  :/09:48
Sirius_Blackdredg: ahh yes - apt-get install linux-source-2.6.8.1 seams to work :-))09:48
|trey|*coughseemscough*09:48
dredg|trey|: if he just did a "basic ubunut install" the he wouldnt have to add *anything* to his sources.list09:49
linux_mafiaubunut, heh09:49
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dredgdirect copy & paste from above :)09:49
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linux_mafiai am well aware of that :)09:49
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linux_mafiaits 8.50 am here, just opened a bottle of champagne, life is good09:50
octalc0dei can't find my coffee09:50
octalc0de>:(09:50
dredgcoffee shmoffee :)09:50
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|trey|octalc0de: I drank it... my bad  :o09:51
linux_mafiawhat about champagne?09:51
linux_mafiadredg, you like that?09:51
|trey|linux_mafia: fucking alcoholic  ;)09:51
dredgcant drink alcohol :) medication says not to :)09:51
|trey|dredg: what medication? anything decent?  ;)09:52
linux_mafia|trey|, i am actually09:52
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dredgchrist, no coffee, no alcohol and i just gave up cigarettes. how fucking boring did i get? :)09:52
|trey|linux_mafia: ahh, sorry man, just playing  :/09:52
linux_mafia|trey|, thats all good09:52
LinuxJoneswatch the language please guys09:52
jgeorgeson|trey|: no straight forward answer, but I think they said yes09:52
linux_mafiawhat language09:52
|trey|LinuxJones: bah, there are no business people here... chill09:53
linux_mafiaoh swearing09:53
LinuxJones|trey|, how do you know that ?09:53
linux_mafiai got banned from #fedora for swearing to much09:53
|trey|LinuxJones: because I looked through the list  :/09:53
linux_mafiathere could be priests or small children09:54
jgeorgesonlinux_mafia: and |trey| and I need anger management ... 09:54
|trey|linux_mafia: good job... I got banned cuz I proved |Jef| wrong, and he didn't like it...09:54
joemhopefully not both...09:54
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|trey|jgeorgeson: I have no anger.. 09:54
jgeorgeson|trey| no need to bite my head off09:54
|trey|jgeorgeson: I didn't  :/09:54
|trey|jgeorgeson: caps = yelling... you see any caps?09:55
jgeorgeson|trey|, i know, i thought it was funny when linux_mafia mentioned it earlier, and be driving the joke into the ground09:55
linux_mafia|trey| why you hate messaging?09:55
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fragmentHey, what's the default permissions for /tmp?09:56
|trey|linux_mafia: because I don't know you, and have no desire to... anything you have to say should be fine via /notice or in the channel...09:56
|trey|fragment: 777 usually...09:56
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fragmentI always forget and butcher my /tmp ownership and permissions when I run the java install.09:57
crimsun777 and +t09:57
fragmentJava or Citrix....09:57
linux_mafia|trey|, whatever, just cause i was swearing, but if you have that attitude then sweet, you can eat a d**k up09:57
|trey|crimsun: hmm, whats t?09:57
crimsunsticky09:57
crimsundrwxrwxrwt-09:57
fragmentand ownership?09:58
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|trey|linux_mafia: and you're wondering why you were banned from #fedora...09:58