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Cloudchaseri kinda do jaye12:00
Cloudchasertook me a while but12:00
Cloudchaseri installed samba and smbclient12:00
Cloudchaserset that all up, also in network settings12:01
jayeDo you need one of them on the winbox?12:01
Cloudchaserthere's a place for windows networking12:01
Cloudchaserwhen you sent up smbpasswd on ubuntu set it for the username and pw ofthe user logged into the windows12:01
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Cloudchaseralso, the network browser in ubuntu doesn't seem to work12:02
ACIDnet_hey - can someone help me with a bit of C++ plz :) :) :)12:02
spikebwinipegm, no clue12:02
jayeACIDnet, what's up?12:02
winipegmcopy paste should work?12:03
winipegmjust overwrite12:03
seb128lu e-Jah12:03
Cloudchasersamba.org has tutorial for setting up samba12:03
ACIDnet_jaye: wrote some code, and well, it aint working12:03
jayeYou will have to be more specific ACIDnet.12:03
jayeThanks Cloudchaser.12:03
ACIDnet_jaye: is there somewhere i can post the code for you to look at and see if u can see whats wrong12:04
Cloudchasernp once you get that set up then you mount the shares with read/write permissions for users12:04
ACIDnet_im very new to C++, doing it as part of comp sci and the notes aint great12:04
Cloudchaserput a line in /etc/fstab and have it mount them automatically12:04
winipegmok easy question how do i get my aplications i installed to show on the taskbar thingy12:04
winipegmor rather the list of programs12:04
spikebwinipegm, many of them will show up automatically12:05
winipegmxmms didnt12:05
Cloudchasermost of mine don't spikeb12:05
spikebthe rest, you have to edit by hand - right click in the submenu you want to add it to12:05
winipegmawww pooh12:05
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Cloudchaserthats what i had to do12:05
spikebmost of mine have shown up12:05
jayeCouldchaser, thanks12:05
spikebbut i use mostly gnome stuff heh12:05
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jayeACIDnet, ok what are you trying to code?12:06
jayeWhat compiler?12:06
Cloudchaserjaye if you need more specific help as you go, just hollar12:06
winipegmjust my xmms didnt show up12:06
jayeCloud, ok thanks.12:06
ACIDnet_jaye: Its just a mini-shell,  read in a line from the user, and do something based on it - and loop12:06
Cloudchaserit was very tricky for me, not as simple as it was on another linux12:06
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Cloudchaserand somethings kinda broken in ubuntu nautilus..maybe its just something in the newer gnome..12:06
Cloudchasernot sure12:06
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Cloudchaseri used 2.4 kernel before and older gnome12:07
joh_is it possible to get powernowd to set the CPU power to max, when on battery?12:07
Cloudchaserbut i read there's some sort of gnome-vfs bug12:07
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jayeACDI, ok paste your code here and send me the link12:08
jayein a PM... I'm doing other things so I can easily find your msg.12:08
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theNeonGodhow would i go about removing everything hal/dbus related (configs too) and reinstalling those components? first time i plugged in my external HDD it worked fine, now it isn't popping up. wanna start from scratch to figure out the problem12:14
SickMindwell im just here to say that : ubuntu rocks, verry nice distro indeed12:17
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jayeSickMind, I concur12:19
tjsanyone having trouble with python-codegen-2.0 from the python-gtk2-dev package not finding gdk-types.defs?12:19
tjsin hoary that is12:19
izmaelishow to enable apps to use gtk2 instead of gtk?12:19
spikebthats a programming decision for many apps12:20
spikeband a compile time option for the rest12:20
izmaelisso it's impossible if using binary installation method?12:21
winipegmspike do i just do ut2004 in run to start game?12:21
jayehow do I make a file not read only?12:21
calcuse chmod12:22
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spikebwinipegm, yes12:23
spikebizmaelis, believe so12:23
jayeI have to go out of my way to open a command prompt to chmod a file just to edit it.12:23
winipegmwhat happends is it opens the folder12:23
calcjaye: there are other various ways depending on what you are trying to do12:24
spikebwinipegm, run ut2004 from the console, or look for a menu entry12:24
jayeI want to edit the smb config file.12:24
jayeit's read only12:24
spikebin the applications menu12:24
Cloudchaseruse sudo12:24
Cloudchasersudo gedit smb.conf12:24
Cloudchaseror whatever editor you want to use12:24
winipegmin term just type ut2004?12:24
spikebwinipegm, yeah12:25
izmaelisgtk1 interface is ugly enough for me to compile apps on my own12:25
jayeI have to be in the command prompt to do that though.  Takes the point out of gui.12:25
winipegmbash: ut2004: command not found12:25
spikebizmaelis, you can fix that12:25
spikebwinipegm, try /usr/local/games/ut2004 or something similar12:25
Cloudchasersame thing will happen when you try to unmount your shares from the desktop icons by right-clicking on them12:25
calcjaye: sudo vim path/filename12:25
spikebizmaelis, install industrial for gtk1, and change your theme from human to industrial12:25
Cloudchaseri think though12:26
Cloudchaseryou can change the command to run gedit graphically12:26
calcor see if there is a smb config gui installed already that modifies it12:26
spikebwinipegm, actually, it'd be /usr/local/games/ut2004/ut2004 or such12:26
Cloudchaseryou put "gksudo" in front of the command in the menu12:26
Cloudchaserand it will prompt you for a password12:26
Cloudchaserin the properties12:26
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Cloudchaserno quotes though ;)12:27
calcchmoding config files so you can write to them is not considered a good idea :)12:27
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winipegmbash: /usr/local/games/ut2004/ut2004: No such file or directory12:27
calcsince that would typically require setting o+w which is a really bad idea12:28
spikebwinipegm, well look for the right directory12:28
winipegmthe exe is in the System folder12:28
Cloudchasercalc i didn't suggest that ;)12:28
winipegmi kno where it is12:28
calcCloudchaser: didn't say you did12:28
winipegmthis is what i get12:28
jayeCloudchaser, properties in what?12:28
izmaelisspikeb, theme changes, but creepy font bothers me on12:28
winipegmwinnipegm@S0106000f1f7b4a9e:~/ut2004/System $ ut200412:28
winipegmbash: ut2004: command not found12:28
spikebizmaelis, yeah not much i can do about that12:28
spikebwinipegm, ./ut200412:28
Cloudchaserok for gedit, if you go to applications, accessories12:29
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Cloudchaserand slide your mouse over "Text Editor" then right click on it12:29
Cloudchaserchoose properties12:29
theNeonGodreally looking for someone to help me out w/ a hal/dbus problem. anyone here know a good bit about either of those?12:29
spikebnot me12:29
jayeoh cool12:30
winipegminnipegm@S0106000f1f7b4a9e:~/ut2004/System $ /UT200412:30
winipegmbash: /UT2004: No such file or directory12:30
jayeadd sudo infront of the command?12:30
Cloudchaserwhat i would suggest though..would be to add gedit into menu again as root gedit or something12:30
Cloudchaserso you don't always access it as sudo12:30
jayeDoes it readonly everything by default?12:30
Cloudchaseronly system files12:31
jayeok then it's not a big deal.12:31
Cloudchaserthings that only root can edit12:31
jayein the smb config is the ; preceding a line a comment out?12:32
Cloudchaserso if you want that line, remove the semicolon12:32
Cloudchaseri set samba server to do wins12:32
Cloudchaserso you can connect via names instead of addresses12:33
jayeI have no idea what half this stuff is.12:33
Cloudchaserhandy for dhcp12:33
Cloudchaseryou dont need to edit alot12:33
Cloudchasersec i'll open mine12:33
jayewins server?12:33
Cloudchaserunless you have your own dns server :)12:33
jayelol nope12:33
jayeso uncomment wins server = w.x.y.z ?12:33
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Cloudchaserthats to tell samba where the wins server is like if windows has wins server12:34
jayewins support = no12:34
Cloudchaserwins support= yses12:34
jayeshould be uncommented and turned to yes?12:34
Cloudchaserhehe yes that12:34
Cloudchaserchange it to yes12:34
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Cloudchaserok let me go through it from the top12:35
Cloudchaserset your workgroup12:35
jayeI really appreciate this12:35
Cloudchasersame as your windows machines12:35
Cloudchaserjust put the name not the @12:35
jayeno that's the name12:35
Cloudchaserone sec12:35
jayeOn windows it's @home as the name that's like their logo12:36
Cloudchaseris that the internet provider?12:36
jayeerr name12:36
Cloudchaserok you dont want that12:36
jayeOur workgroup in windows is @home12:36
Cloudchaserwindows machines have workgroups if they're not in a domain12:36
Cloudchaserhmm can you use symbols in a workgroup name?12:37
Cloudchaserwell you can try it12:37
jayeI'm pretty sure it's part of the name.  I can always change it12:37
winipegmwhats a good dvd software12:37
calcwinipegm: to play dvds?12:37
calcwith libdvdcss12:37
winipegmdo i need to dl that or will it be installed?12:38
jayeAre there any decent linux games?12:38
calchave to get it from marillats site i think12:38
izmaeliswhy gtk-theme-switch isn't working?12:38
jayeactually first I need to finish this networkn12:38
Cloudchaserjaye we need to back up here for a minute12:38
Cloudchaserthis might save some time too12:38
jayeCouldchaser, ok12:38
Cloudchaserclose out of there without saving for now12:38
calcjaye: all the id games are available for linux along with UT, etc12:38
jayecalc, cool12:38
jayeI hate fps's though12:38
jayewell actually..12:39
jayethe starwars ones are good.12:39
calcwinipegm: 17:39 < calc> have to get it from marillats site i think12:39
Cloudchasergo to commputer, system configuration, network settings12:39
jayeAnd Jedi acdemy is built on Q312:39
calcwinipegm: see the wiki about restricted formats for info12:39
winipegmmarillates site?12:39
jayeI see Networking but not network settings12:39
Cloudchaserok thats it12:40
jayeok yeah12:40
Cloudchaserthen go to general tab12:40
jayeah, just like windows12:40
Cloudchaserclick on enable windows networking12:40
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jayeIt's clicked12:40
Cloudchaserit shows your domain/workgroup?12:40
Cloudchaserif not put that in there12:40
jayeWhat's the %h do?12:40
jayein the description?12:40
Cloudchaseri dont know :)12:41
Cloudchasermine has it too12:41
jayeprobably some type of timestamp or something similar12:41
jayeso is that it?12:41
Cloudchaserok so thats already done12:41
Cloudchaserok just wanted to make sure12:41
jayeyes that's done12:41
Cloudchaserthen we go back  into smb.conf12:41
Cloudchaserthe workgroup line was commented out or uncommented?12:42
jayeit was uncommented by default12:42
Cloudchaserok cool12:42
Cloudchaserthen server string should be the same as the line with %h12:42
jayeso do I just not change anything?12:42
Cloudchaserwith the host name and samba12:42
Cloudchaserwins support=yes12:42
Cloudchaserok then if you scroll down12:43
Cloudchaserto security=user12:43
Cloudchaserif you want your windows hosts to have access to the unix pc without having an account12:45
Cloudchaseron the unix box12:45
Cloudchaserleave it commented out12:45
jayeWill that leave me open for attacks?12:45
Cloudchaserwell that depends on how secure your network is..its one more level of security12:45
Cloudchaseri think12:46
jayeok well I'll leave that for now.12:46
Cloudchaserthat when i try to access my linux box from windows12:46
Cloudchaseri can see it and when i dc on it in windows it asks for user name and pw12:46
Cloudchasertry it and see later12:46
jayewhat's next?12:46
Cloudchasermy entry is commented out still12:46
Cloudchaserfor windows 2000 and higher12:47
Cloudchaserencrypt passwords=true12:47
jayewhat about 98?12:47
Cloudchaseri think 98 too12:47
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jayeI would hope so12:47
guidedspiriti would like a personal opinion.12:47
Cloudchaserhave to check on that though in samba.org12:47
guidedspiritwich is better ubuntu or mandrake?12:48
Cloudchaserthe next few are uncommented by default12:48
Cloudchaserguidedspirit, i like ubuntu better12:48
Cloudchaserremember where you are12:48
Cloudchaser too12:48
Cloudchaserthis is an ubuntu room12:48
Cloudchaserif you go into a mandrake room12:48
jayeI've never used mandrake because the site was a bit confusing.12:48
Cloudchaserthey'll say they like mandrake better12:48
guidedspiritthe thing is i dont have as many packages as mandrake12:48
Cloudchaseri never used mandrake because i had troubles installing it a while back12:49
Cloudchaserbest thing is to try them both12:49
Cloudchaserand make your own decision12:49
jayethis is the only I've ever got installed.12:49
Cloudchaseri used rh9 before ubuntu12:49
guidedspiritwell can u give me some +'s that ubuntu has that mandrake doesnt?12:49
Cloudchaseri never used mandrake12:50
Cloudchaserso i couldn't tell you any12:50
jayeguided.... read articles on them.12:50
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jayeThat's how I decided.12:50
Cloudchaseror try them both for first hand experience12:50
jayeI decided on ubuntu because it looks like it has a real good support system.12:50
jayeUpdates enough.12:50
jayeand is solid.12:50
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guidedspirit i had 8.212:50
pseudoIs the easiest way to upgrade to hoary is to change the apt sources.list file and performa and apt-get dist-upgrade?12:51
guidedspiriti think maybe its because i have ubuntu community addition12:51
jayei got emacs but I can't fin dit.12:51
Cloudchaserjaye the next few lines i left default like this:12:51
Cloudchaser   passdb backend = tdbsam guest12:51
Cloudchaser   obey pam restrictions = yes12:51
Cloudchaser;   guest account = nobody12:51
Cloudchaser   invalid users = root12:51
Cloudchaserthen scroll down to printing12:51
guidedspiritrather than official12:51
guidedspiritbut i really like the diffrent desktops but ubuntu doesnt have any "diffrent" ones12:51
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K-Richhi all12:51
Cloudchaserwhat do you mean different desktops?12:52
K-Richi have another issue :/12:52
jayeI'm at printing12:52
Cloudchaserjaye i left all the printing ones alone12:52
K-Richi did a ctrl-alt-backspace from within X and now when i try to log back in my desktop doesn't load12:52
Cloudchaseri use a windows printer share12:52
Cloudchaserbut that doesn't require any changes to samba12:52
linuxjonesK-Rich, login then type startx12:53
pseudo^^^ just a quick question12:53
Cloudchaseryou set that up separately in the printing gui12:53
Cloudchaserwhats the question pseudo?12:53
K-Richlinuxjones: GDM is loaded12:53
guidedspiriti mean like kde12:53
guidedspiritnot just gnome12:53
guidedspiritkde, blackbox12:53
pseudothe easiest way to upgrade to hoary12:53
pseudoCloudchaser, apt-get dist-upgrade?12:53
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guidedspiritthat kind of thing12:53
jayeok cloud... anything else need to change?12:53
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Cloudchaserah pseudo i have never done it12:54
Cloudchaseri'm on warty still12:54
pseudoCloudchaser, specifically changing warty to hoary12:54
Cloudchaserpseudo check the wikis on ubuntu12:54
jayeWhat's the difference between warty and hoary?12:54
Cloudchaserwarty is stable12:54
Cloudchaserhoary is testing12:54
pseudojaye, packages, specifically developmental, and kernal patches12:54
jayeThat's what I thought.12:54
jayeI like stable.12:55
guidedspiritanyone know any different desktops other than the original gnome12:55
jayeKDE is pretty clean12:55
Cloudchaserok jaye go to share definitions12:55
Cloudchaserfirst section is homes12:55
K-Richanyone have any ideas? it seems to be a gnome issue to me12:55
jayeat file sharing?12:55
jayeor further down?12:55
guidedspiritbut i dont have kde!12:56
jayefound it12:56
Cloudchaserfurther down12:56
guidedspiriti checked my package manager12:56
guidedspiritand i dont have kde12:56
Cloudchaseri have my home directorys browseable = yes12:56
Cloudchaserread only = no12:56
jayeyeah I couldn't find it either.12:56
guidedspiritthats exactly what i want kde!12:56
jayetry a different distro.12:57
linuxjonesguidedspirit, you need to add the universe repository12:57
jayeor there's that.12:57
K-Richlinuxjones : how do i startx with gdm loaded?12:57
guidedspirithow do i do that linuxjones?12:57
Cloudchaserthen i have writable= yes on the next section12:57
linuxjonesK-Rich, /etc/init.d/gdm restart12:57
Cloudchasergroup permissions i left as the default12:57
winipegmi need sum help installing totem-xine i cant fine it ne where12:58
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linuxjonesguidedspirit, can you edit files using nano or vi ?12:58
ograguidedspirit, winipegm: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto12:58
Cloudchaserif you want to share your linux pc's printer you'd uncomment that section12:58
linuxjonesguidedspirit, ok you need to edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list12:58
Cloudchaserthats about it12:58
Cloudchasersave it12:58
jayeDo I need to reboot to get onto the network?12:59
Cloudchaserrestart the samba daemons12:59
jayeIs that from terminal?12:59
jayek waiting12:59
Cloudchaserfrom terminal12:59
Cloudchaserthen we check your smb.conf ;)12:59
K-Richlinuxjone: i don12:59
linuxjonesguidedspirit, modify the line in there to read like this >> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe12:59
guidedspiritok i am in12:59
jayehow do we do that?01:00
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guidedspiritdeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe01:00
guidedspiritlike that01:00
linuxjonesguidedspirit, now save it and apt-get update01:00
Cloudchaserat command line type sudo testparm /etc/samba/smb.conf01:00
K-Richlinuxjones: i don't think you understand, on boot i have a graphical login screen, when i tye my user name and pasword i get a cursor, and a brownish screen, just no panel or icons01:00
linuxjonesguidedspirit, or you can use synaptic01:00
Cloudchaserit will look at your conf file and tell you if anything is wrong01:01
linuxjonesK-Rich, is this a new install to a fresh machine ?01:01
Cloudchaser Always run testparm again whenever the smb.conf file is changed!01:01
guidedspiritcan i use synaptic01:01
jayetestparam command not found01:01
guidedspiriti like the gui based progs :)01:01
linuxjonesguidedspirit, sure jsut hit the reload button then search for kde01:01
guidedspiritthere is no kde!01:02
guidedspiritthats what i was saying01:02
K-Richlinuxjones: yes, i hit ctrl-alt-backspace, and this is the result01:02
jayeloaded services file OK.01:02
Cloudchaserok that looks good01:03
linuxjonesK-Rich, did you try restarting gdm ?01:03
guidedspiriti search in the synaptic manager for kde under names and definitions and the stuff thats listed is already downloaded01:03
K-Richlinuxjones: i even tried rebooting01:03
linuxjonesguidedspirit, you have kdebase installed ?01:03
linuxjonesK-Rich, did you update your system ?01:03
guidedspiriti get desktop-base, openoffice stuff, and gaim01:04
guidedspiriti got desktop-base01:04
linuxjonesguidedspirit, type sudo apt-get update in console01:04
jayeI've got a bunch of packages... I just don't know how to use them.01:04
linuxjonesguidedspirit, are there any errors that come up ?01:04
jayeLIke where the executable for some are.01:04
K-Richlinuxjones: i've done nothing, i went to logout on the first login, the logout dialog never showed up after 5 minutes, so i hit ctrl-alt-backspace... nthing else01:04
Cloudchaserdid you add a user to samba?01:05
jayeColudchaser, I don'think so.01:05
Cloudchaserhow many windows pc's do you have on your network?01:05
jaye3 including this one.01:05
linuxjonesK-Rich, you can do sudo -s (to get to a root console) then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade01:05
jayethis isn't windows01:05
guidedspiritroot@h4x0r:/home/deepfreeze # sudo apt-get update01:05
guidedspiritE: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)01:05
guidedspiritE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?01:05
Cloudchaserdo they use the same username/pw to log into them?01:05
linuxjonesguidedspirit, close synaptic01:06
Cloudchaserok so you need to add two then01:06
jayehow do I do that?01:06
winipegmsweet totem-xine is installed :) but one more step im stuck at totem could not play 'file///media/cdrom0/VIDEO_ts/VIDEO_TS.IFO'. There is no plugin to handle this movie.01:06
Cloudchasertype: smbpasswd -a usernameofwindowsuser01:06
K-Richfrom a console?01:06
guidedspiritno errors now01:06
calcwinipegm: do you have libdvdcss installed?01:06
linuxjonesK-Rich, yeah that will upgrade all packages on your system01:06
winipegmlemme check01:06
Cloudchaseroh hm one sec on that01:06
guidedspiritReading Package Lists... Done01:06
linuxjonesguidedspirit, now do apt-cache serach kde01:07
linuxjonesguidedspirit, err search01:07
guidedspiritapt cache?01:07
linuxjonesapt-cache search kde01:07
jayeCloudchaser, does it have to be the sameone they use to login to their own system?01:07
Cloudchaseri'm sorry jaye i can't remember if i used my username or windows username...hold a sec01:07
linuxjonesdoes it output anything ?01:07
jayeIs it their computer name or the computer name?01:08
Cloudchaserone sec01:08
guidedspiriti did01:08
guidedspiritsame thing01:08
guidedspiritsame thing as before came up01:08
linuxjonesguidedspirit, you didn't save the /etc/apt/sources.list file01:08
winipegmi dont see that lib ne where01:09
guidedspiritdarn it01:09
guidedspiritmy bad01:09
guidedspiritlets pretend that never happend01:09
Cloudchaserok here's what i did01:09
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Cloudchaser $ sudo smbpasswd -a your_system_username01:09
Cloudchaser$ sudo gedit /etc/samba/smbusers01:09
winipegmlibdvdcss is not in the selections01:09
linuxjonesguidedspirit, you didn't add the hoary reference did you ?01:09
CloudchaserInsert the following line into the new file01:10
Cloudchaseryour_system_username = "your network username"01:10
guidedspiriti mest up01:10
jayeThe username in the windows login box, right?01:10
linuxjonesguidedspirit, ok don't that would be bad01:10
guidedspiritso what do i input in the vi thing01:10
Cloudchaserthe smbpasswd = your linux username01:10
guidedspiritexactly what do i put01:10
Cloudchaserand pw01:10
linuxjonesguidedspirit, use nano vi and emacs are for 3-fingered hippies01:10
ultrakornehow sudo works in ubuntu, i need to add a cmd without passwd but "ultra ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/savepower" doesnt work01:10
Cloudchaserthe smbusers would be yourlinux username = windows login name101:11
winipegmcalc where else would i find that01:11
guidedspiritso i am in vi01:11
Cloudchaserwhere i get confused is...if you have two different windows login names, do you do it for each01:11
linuxjonesguidedspirit, don't use vi01:11
guidedspiritwhat do i put in for that file01:11
Cloudchaseri have same username/pw on 2 of my windows pcs01:11
Cloudchaserso i just have the one01:11
linuxjonesguidedspirit, hit escape >> : wq01:11
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guidedspiriti dunno what to put in!01:12
jayeone of the logins has a space in the username01:12
Scorphey how do I install curses onto my machine (the library, not ncurses, but curses)01:12
guidedspiritwhat do i use then?01:12
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Cloudchasernot sure on that one jaye01:12
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linuxjonesguidedspirit, type nano /etc/apt/sources.list01:13
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Cloudchasertry putting it in quotes maybe?01:13
Cloudchaseror first try it with username without spaces01:13
seymourcan anyone tell me how do i rerun the 2nd stage of the install process?01:13
Cloudchaserwe can get one working at a time01:13
Cloudchaserso you know where the issues are01:13
Scorpanyone? How do I install a library such as curses onto my machine?01:13
ograseymour: run base-config01:13
K-Richlinuxjones: still not loading01:13
slsdoes anyone know if there are facilities to install UBUNTU unattended, like RedHats kickstart?01:14
linuxjonesnow add universe to the end of the line that says >> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted01:14
guidedspiritnow what01:14
K-Richi'm sure it's somehow gnome is like locked01:14
guidedspiritso all i typ is deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted01:14
K-Richit just fails to load01:14
calcsls: not sure, but i do know it at least is being worked on01:14
linuxjonesguidedspirit, type ctrl + o01:14
guidedspirit >> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted01:14
jayeCloud, I'm getting real confused and this is hard to follow can we talk in IM?01:14
slscalc: ok01:14
calcsls: not sure if its ready to be used by regular users yet01:15
linuxjonesguidedspirit, press enter to save and exit01:15
seymourogra it doesn't do the same thing. it tried to install some pkgs and failed, how can i get there again?01:15
Cloudchaserjaye yes we can01:15
guidedspiritbut i havnt typed anything in01:15
linuxjonesguidedspirit, you need to add universe to the end of that line dude01:15
guidedspiritlinuxjones: do all i typ is  >> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted01:15
linuxjonesdeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe01:15
ograseymour: have you tried to reboot ? if base-config hasnt ended properly, it should run the process again01:15
seymourogra i ended it.01:16
seymourogra i didnt try01:16
ograseymour: huh ?01:16
slscalc: i'm thinking that since i only had to answer a couple of questions in the installer there could be a way to answer them B401:16
ograseymour: why did you end it ?01:16
linuxjonesK-Rich, can you create a new user account to see if something is borked in your main user account01:16
guidedspiritso i typed that in01:16
linuxjonesguidedspirit, type ctrl + o01:17
K-Richwill try noe01:17
linuxjonesguidedspirit, press enter to save and exit01:17
seymourogra: i had a problem with my network card. and had to do a mii-tool flag to fix it. :(01:17
calcsls: yes01:17
seymourogra: anyways, seems aptitude is downloading 397 megs of something, and that could be it. the lost pkgs ;)01:17
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spikebwhy are both eog and gthumb installed by default?01:18
seymourogra does it install gnome and friends by default?01:18
ograseymour: yep....01:18
seymouri find the no-root-password very annoying01:18
ograseymour: they are all pulled in by ubuntu-desktop (which is a empty meta package)01:18
guidedspiritsorry i get confused01:18
guidedspiritnow what01:19
seymourogra: hopefully, it will install that too01:19
spikebyou can't find it annoying. it's the difference between sudo and su01:19
linuxjonesguidedspirit, heh now update01:19
ograseymour: its actually a lot safer the a root account01:19
spikeb(two fricken letters)01:19
seymourogra yes, but i'd like to know the root password too. i bet there is one01:19
guidedspiritwith synaptic?01:19
ograseymour: if not, just install that package....01:19
spikebno there is not01:19
linuxjonesguidedspirit, sure hit reload01:19
spikebthere isn't a root password, because it isn't set, because the account is disabled.01:19
ograseymour: that is the trick, there is none01:19
linuxjonesthen do serach for kde01:19
linuxjoneserr search01:19
leriohi everyone. how do i install gtk themes on ubuntu?01:20
winipegmok i installed libdvdcss2 and libdvdcss2-dev still no workie01:20
spikebsame as any other distro lerio01:20
ograseymour: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo01:20
guidedspiritits downloading things01:20
linuxjonesgood it's updating the new file lists01:20
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linuxjonesclick search and type kde01:20
seymourogra does it have a xfree configurator or such? or do i have to configure it manually?01:20
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guidedspirit5 out of 1001:20
[Kou-Linux] hi01:21
lerioi downloaded the tar.gz from a themes site. then clicked the install option from the theme menu, selected the tar.gz but nothing happened01:21
ograseymour: normally it configures itself... :)01:21
linuxjonesguidedspirit, you on dialup ?01:21
K-Richlinuxjones: same with new user01:21
winipegmcalc =(01:21
lerio(i'm not very familiar w linux, though)01:21
linuxjonesK-Rich, are there any error messages that appear ?01:21
spikeblerio, close and then start the theme preferences thing again01:21
ogralerio: you probably need to logout and in again01:21
guidedspiriti am on dialup01:21
spikeblerio, sometimes it's stupid about it (its a bug)01:21
linuxjonesguidedspirit, yikes it might take a while01:22
spikebi dont care WHAT the devs say.01:22
ogralerio: but try spikebs suggestion before ;)01:22
seymourogra okay, i am very impressed by this. seems pretty cool01:22
guidedspiritdialup goes slower on ubuntu for some reason01:22
guidedspiritoh well01:22
seymourogra is gnome custom compiled for ubuntu or is it the debian one01:22
winipegmit works now01:22
lerioogra: i'll try right now. see u later!01:22
spikebseymour, custom01:22
seymourspikeb, nice01:22
ograspikeb: why do you think the devs would consider this not a bug ?01:22
seymourspikeb, the default debian one seemed kind of slow for me01:23
ograseymour: its the ubuntu one ;)01:23
K-Richlinuxjones: nothing01:23
spikebogra, devs can be stupid like that from time to time.01:23
ograspikeb: they use the same desktop you use ;)01:23
seymouri have another question. what if ubuntu means something obscene? something about moms or such01:23
ograspikeb: so they get annoyed by the same bugs *g*01:23
spikebseymour, no. it means humanity01:24
K-Richback to sid01:24
ograto others01:24
K-Richscrew this01:24
spikebor humanity to others01:24
spikebK-Rich, bye01:24
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K-Rich3 errors in 2 days01:24
[Kou-Linux] i try to installing i386 wiki but i have this message in the check CD-ROM integrity: the ./pool/main/u/util-linux/bsdutils_2.12-7ubuntu6_i386.deb file failed the md5 checksum01:24
seymourokay, ill take your word01:24
ograseymour: look in the wiki for "meaning of ubuntu"01:24
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K-Richone more try01:24
ograseymour: there is a lobng description....worth to read01:24
[Kou-Linux] i try to burn 3 times but the error is the same with nero,dvddecr & alchohol01:24
seymour30 secs remaining, oh boy01:25
K-Richmaybe 3rd times the charm no?01:25
Scorpman oh man01:25
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K-Richreinstalling again01:25
ScorpWhere can I download more bandwidth?01:25
Scorp(...and the room goes silent, lol)01:25
ograK-Rich: what broke ?01:25
nevynScorp: ooh. if you find it.. tell me.01:25
Scorpfirst I'm going to download somewhere harddruve space though01:26
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seymourScorp id like to download a new computer :P01:26
ogra[Kou-Linux] : hoary ?01:26
spikebme too seymour :)01:26
Scorpseymour you're going to have to find some hardcore WaReZ site for that01:26
[Kou-Linux] i try to check the bsdutils file in the md5 and...68dfca93b399520d2809e72d74d575ff  ./pool/main/b/bsdmainutils/bsdmainutils_6.0.15_i386.deb i have this one01:26
seymourScorp i'd kill for a second hand powerpc though. i like macs.01:27
ogra[Kou-Linux] : do you use hoary ?01:27
seymourScorp for running ubuntu u know01:27
[Kou-Linux] but on your site i find a different one The MD5sum for bsdutils_2.12-7ubuntu6_i386.deb is 4805f247f1e90f22a948b6a9b82e8bb701:27
seymourScorp what's your speed to the ubuntu reps?01:27
ScorpI'm running ubuntu on a PowerPC powerbook g301:27
Scorpmy speed to the what?01:27
spikebhows that working?01:27
seymourScorp you lucky bastard. to the apt repositories01:28
Scorppretty fast?01:28
spikebi might get a thinkpad to run ubuntu on01:28
calcwinipegm: did you read the link i pasted?01:28
seymourScorp like? how many kb/s ? why are you complaining then?01:28
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jayehow do I add the universal list of packages or whatever it's caled ot synaptic's options?01:29
spikebjaye, put universe in the repository section01:29
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jayejust universe?01:29
ograjaye: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto01:29
Scorpseymore I was complaining? I wasn't complaining01:29
jayety ty01:30
seymourScorp you said you'd like more bandwidth. but whatever :P01:30
ograjaye: there is a shot with universe ;)01:30
Scorpseymour :) how the fQ#$%^^ do I download and install curses?01:30
Scorpwith out being too smart01:30
jayewow, chess is exactly what I want lol01:30
seymourScorp are you having fun?01:30
Scorpsort of01:31
jayewhich one is universe?01:31
seymourScorp cause if you're having fun, you need no curses01:31
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ograjaye: look in the second screenshot01:31
pseudo<pseudo> will updateing to hoary automagically install the new kernel as well?01:32
pseudo<pseudo> quick question ^^^01:32
ograjaye: make it look like that01:32
ograreload and be happy01:32
pseudoThe reason I ask is because I did not see it as a selected package.01:32
Cloudchaseri'm trying to help jaye with samba01:32
ograpseudo: hoary uses 2.6.901:32
Cloudchaserbut his samba daemons fail to start01:32
pseudothat's what I thought01:32
Cloudchaserso..i'm kinda stuck now ;)01:33
ograCloudchaser: is it configured correctly ?01:33
pseudoogra, There just wan't mention of it in the packages while upgrading from warty. So I was conserned01:33
jayecloud, it started...01:33
Cloudchaserhmm he says it started when he didn't use sudo01:33
jayeyeah it started when I didn't use sudo.01:33
jayeand sudo isn't asking for a pw.  I'm not root.01:33
liquidboyis jack installed in ubuntu by deafault?01:33
seymourjaye are you sure you're not root? you look like one01:34
ograpseudo: was any linux-image pkg among them ?01:34
ograliquidboy: mope01:34
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ograjaye: did you play with your sudoers file ?01:34
Cloudchasermine won't start/stop without sudo01:34
liquidboyogra: mope = nope? :P01:34
pseudolinux-image- <---- Doh, I missed it, sorry for the confusion01:34
ograCloudchaser: they shouldnt :)01:35
jayeI havne't messed with any files except smb.conf01:35
ograliquidboy: yep, sorry01:35
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liquidboyi looked up synaptic, and it told me it was already installed...?01:35
Cloudchaserare you in the sudo console window?01:35
Cloudchaserthere's one for sudo and one for user01:35
liquidboyive tried to install ardour (multitrack recorder) but it couldnt connect01:35
ograliquidboy: unlikely01:35
drspinhow can I make mplayer stretch the video to fill the screen??01:35
seymourdrspin press F?01:35
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ogradrspin: -zoom01:35
drspinit goes fullscreen but todesn't stretch01:35
seymourdrspin use another -vo option01:36
ogradrspin: put -zoom in the options.... in ~/.mplayer/config01:36
seymourdrspin man mplayer, search for the explained -vo option01:36
seymourogra that won't do01:36
seymourogra i guess01:36
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ograseymour: thats software scaling...should do it always, but without the right -vo it gets very slow ;)01:37
Cloudchaserok ogra...level 1 support failed for jaye...time for higher level of support here ;)01:38
Cloudchaserwe edited smb.conf01:38
ograCloudchaser: soon....moment....01:38
Cloudchaserand did a useradd01:38
seymourogra: so you're subtile saying i m right. anyways, how can i start x11 in ubuntu?01:38
spikebwonder when beagle will be ready for primetime01:38
lerioeven after logging out i had no luck.01:39
seymourwhats beagle?01:39
spikebseymour, a search utility type deal01:40
karimis it possible to upgrade a debian to an ubuntu ?01:40
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karimgwildor, without reinstalling ?01:40
gwildorjust change your sources.....01:41
[Kou-Linux] someone italian here?01:41
lerioKou-Linux: yes01:41
[Kou-Linux] bene01:41
seymourhow can i start the x server in ubuntu? startx?01:41
seymourhow can i set it to default fire-up gdm01:42
ogragwildor: sid or sarge to warty wont work out of the box01:42
[Kou-Linux] a ki posso rompere un attimo le palle in query?01:42
ograseymour: it should do this for you01:42
gwildorogra, i was only asked if it was possible, but i guess he should know that01:42
gwildorogra, what about sid or sarge to hoary?01:43
seymourogra so when i reboot now it should start gdm. okay rebooting :P01:43
ogragwildor: you need pinning knowledge01:43
pseudoThanks for your help01:43
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gwildorogra, thnx :)01:43
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ogranow, thats better01:44
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ogragwildor: there are some wiki pages for this issue....01:44
liquidboyogra, is it real coffee?01:44
liquidboy(like espresso coffee- or at least plunger)01:44
ograyep...1am here....01:45
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ograin fact its espresso.....01:45
ograCloudchaser, jaye: ?01:45
Cloudchaserok i think his samba isn't running01:46
drspingmplayer -zoom does the trick01:46
Cloudchaserlooking up what the ps status he has is01:46
liquidboyi cant beleive people use filters for their coffee, it's just wrong. the coffee ends up burned, and it just tastes bitter... *yuk*01:46
=== ogra wonders why even cloudchaser assumes male counterparts *g*
ograhis, him01:47
Cloudchaseroh hehe01:47
Cloudchaseryes thats bad of me being a female myself01:47
drspinhow do I change default programs when double clicking files??01:47
drspinin GNOME01:47
ogradrspin: right click, properties....01:47
Cloudchaserhehe i'm used to being the only one or not too many of us in linux rooms01:48
huttananyone know of a good program to bind mousebuttons ?01:48
ograjaye: so, now lets see.... did the smbd really start without sudo01:48
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jayeit said it did01:48
Cloudchaser root      8026  0.0  0.3  8980 2984 ?        Ts   17:05   0:00 /usr/sbin/smbd -01:48
Cloudchaserthat looks like the process is terminated, no?01:49
ograCloudchaser: i'm happily recognizing that there is an increasing female amount in ubuntu01:49
Cloudchaserah how many here besides me?01:49
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ograCloudchaser: no idea, i see only nicks lol01:49
jayeOgra said it's increasing.01:49
jayeDidn't say by how much01:49
Cloudchaserhey 1 is more than 001:50
ograCloudchaser: but at least today i recognized a new woman in the ML01:50
Cloudchaserbesides me?01:50
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ograjaye: could you post your smb.conf in #flood01:50
ograCloudchaser: yep01:50
dseomndoes ubuntu warty install automatically resize fat32 windows partitions and add windows to grub?01:50
Cloudchaserhis smbd should still start and we did the testparm01:51
ogradseomn: 1. nope, 2. yes01:51
ogradseomn: 1 will get solved in hoary01:51
Cloudchasercool ogra i like to see more women linux users too01:51
axu_samba throws me the foloowing message and refuses to le[2004/12/28 01:42:58, 0]  lib/util_sock.c:get_peer_addr(1000)01:51
axu_  getpeername failed. Error was Transport endpoint is not connected01:51
axu_t a windows 2000 client open a shared folder :( anyone a clou ?01:51
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seymourdudes, is there any tool to configure the services that automatically start on ubuntu?01:51
dseomnogra: will it let you resize them?01:51
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Cloudchaseraxu when do you see that message?01:52
Cloudchaserwhat are you doing when you get it?01:52
[Kou-Linux] byez01:52
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ogradseomn: nope, it does nearly anything else automatically but currently no resize01:52
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ograCloudchaser: http://women.alioth.debian.org/01:53
spikebthere's debian women,  but no ubuntu women01:53
jayeIt's there01:53
jayethe fail?01:53
ograspikeb: underway01:54
spikebogra, good idea since it seems many of the debian folk (who aren't involved with ubuntu) don't like ubuntu or think its offtopic01:54
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Cloudchaseri'm not a developer though01:55
ograspikeb: better say some....some really like it01:55
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ograCloudchaser: but a woman that uses ubuntu ?01:55
spikebthe ones who really like it tend to be involved01:55
spikebthe ones who IRC in #debian are very mouthy about it not being debian01:56
crimsunCloudchaser: doesn't matter, really. Everyone can be involved in some fashion.01:56
axu_id like to copy 20 files from a windows cleint to my ubuntu client :( really no fun01:56
seymourdudes, is there any tool to configure the services that automatically start on ubuntu?01:56
spikebmy involvement consists of passing out ubuntu cds01:56
ograjaye: sure thats all ?01:56
axu_any ther way but samba to do this fast ?01:56
seymourlike xprint and that01:56
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ograjaye: it ends with:# through syslog you should set the01:57
spikebwell, i also hang out here, obviously.01:57
jayeogra, I copied and pasted the whoel thing.01:57
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Cloudchaseraxu how are you trying to do it now?01:57
ograjaye: is the last sentence like that ?01:57
Cloudchaserdrag/drop from file manager or from command line?01:57
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Cloudchaseri don't think so01:58
Cloudchaseri still need to defer to you for issues01:58
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ograCloudchaser: noot sure if i can solve it though01:59
axu_Cloudchaser: i wrote the options for a sahre into smb.conf, added a sambauser and restartet samba01:59
Cloudchaserdid you do testparm to make sure your smbconf file is workable?02:00
Cloudchaserand did you make sure your workgroup was set?02:00
Cloudchaserthen, did you mount the windows share with read/write permissions?02:00
spikebthe wiki refers to users as customers in the women section02:00
axu_Processing section "[shared] "02:00
axu_Loaded services file OK.02:00
spikebsome of us are anti business you know :P02:01
Cloudchasersamba lets you access your linux share from windows, smbclient lets you access your windows share from linux02:01
Cloudchaseryou have smbclient installed too?02:01
axu_Cloudchaser: wise, you are02:01
axu_Cloudchaser: no why shoukd i ?02:01
spikebyogo, you speak like.02:01
spikebyogo? wtf02:02
spikebmy brain must be more tired than i thought02:02
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Cloudchaserok axu..try this: smbclient -L yoursambaserverHostName02:04
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spikebi thought nautilus could handle samba shares (browsing them)02:04
Cloudchasernautilus browsing shares doesn't work in ubuntu02:04
ograspikeb: it can....02:04
ograspikeb: but for some ppl it doesnt work02:04
jayeok now it's all there.02:04
jayeProcessing section "[homes] "02:04
jayeProcessing section "[printers] "02:04
jayeProcessing section "[print$] "02:05
jayeLoaded services file OK.02:05
jayeServer role: ROLE_STANDALONE02:05
jayePress enter to see a dump of your service definitions02:05
jayeI don't know how to mount the windows shares.02:05
Cloudchaserwe didn't get that far yet02:05
Cloudchaserbecause your daemons weren't working02:05
axu_unabkle to fetch machine password02:06
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axu_i dont want to use nautilus, nautilus blows02:06
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Cloudchaseraxu when that asked for a pw, did you use same pw as you set for smbpasswd -a yourlinuxusername?02:07
axu_Cloudchaser: yes02:07
ograjust for the record, if someone wants a easy smb.conf, i'll post mine in #flood02:07
jayeany ideas on why my smbclient doesn't work?02:07
axu_hmm, does the user need a valid shell ?02:07
Cloudchaseraxu i used my username/pw02:08
ograjaye: i'm still diggin in this terrible file02:08
Cloudchaserand it has to be a user on your system02:08
Cloudchaseri'd like to see your easy one ogra02:08
Cloudchaseri'll copy it for future reference ;)02:08
ograCloudchaser: join #flood02:08
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Cloudchaseri did02:09
axu_Cloudchaser: i have user: user pass: pass both as system and samba users02:09
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axu_simpler it cant be :) no space for errors02:09
winipegmi have gnome installed why is it i cant install kde?02:09
axu_well, now im stuck02:10
huttananyone know how to set mousebuttons to do something specific?02:10
axu_thanks for the fisj02:10
ograwinipegm: you can02:10
winipegmthen why does it deny me each timei do it02:11
Cloudchaseraxu if you go to samba.org they have some troubleshooting tips02:11
jayeogra, do I rewirte mine with the one you posted?02:11
ograjaye: if you want . but keep in mint that the export folder (but only this one) is world read and writable02:12
winipegmkeeps saying could not mark all packages for installation or upgrade02:12
ograwinipegm: you have universe enabled ?02:13
jayeWell, did you see anything wrong in mine?02:13
ograjaye: nope02:13
ograjaye: looks ok....02:13
Seqdoes anybody know why my fstab is no longer updated with removable media in hoary?02:13
ograSeq: it never was02:14
jayeany idea on what could be wrong?02:14
Seqwell, that answers that, but i could have sworn hal updated it before.02:14
Cloudchaserjaye try restarting and see if your smb daemons start on boot02:14
Cloudchaserthey should02:14
ograjaye: look in the logfile you defined in the smb.conf02:15
Cloudchaserthen we'll try the smbclient thing again02:15
Cloudchaseroh hehe02:15
winipegmyes universe is enabled02:15
jayelog file?02:15
ograjaye: and in /var/log/daemon.log02:15
ograjaye: from your conf:    log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m02:15
jayewhich log.02:16
jayethere's three.02:16
ograjaye: there should be errors .... if it didnt start02:16
jayeoh yeah02:16
ograjaye: show the end (10 lines or so) in flood02:17
ultrakornewhat's wrong with that sudoer file -> http://ultrakorne.altervista.org/sudoers02:17
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ultrakornei cant run command savepower without asking for PASSWD02:17
ograultrakorne: did you edit it without visudo ?02:17
ultrakorneno sorry02:17
ograultrakorne: never i repeat, never ever do that !!!02:17
ultrakornei edited with visudo of course02:17
ograultrakorne: ah ok02:17
winipegmne clue ogra?02:18
winipegmdoes this02:18
winipegm Depends: kde-core but it is not going to be installed02:18
Cloudchaseraxu you should check those logs too02:18
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winipegmbut there is more then that as well02:18
Seqogra: any idea how to have hald update fstab when removable media is detected, then?02:18
Seqogra: i'll google it anyway, but figured i might as well ask since i'm here already02:19
ograSeq: if it is in fstab it will not get automounted02:19
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ograSeq: make sure the user is in the plugdev group02:19
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ograjaye: looks very bad....02:20
Seqogra: my removable disk is not in fstab already, and I am in plugdev02:20
jayeoh yeah02:20
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jayeWell, what did I break I ponder.02:20
ograjaye: do you have the security updates enabled in synaptic ?02:20
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Seqogra: it gets mounted fine, it just doesn't update fstab with an entry, though there is a script to do this in /etc/hal/device.d/02:20
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ograSeq: it gets mounted by pmount which doesnt fiddle with fstab... that script is disabled02:21
Seqogra: i noticed. i'll just google it then02:22
winipegmsum one help me with KDE :(02:22
ograjaye: it loos like a broken binary or something like that, that also explains the Ts status in the processlist02:22
winipegmits not doin whats it supposed to be doin02:22
jayehow do I enable the ubates?02:22
ograwinipegm: what excactly do you install02:23
nicktastikIs there a ban on TOR nodes in here?02:23
ograjaye: there is a repo line with security in it... check the box there02:23
jayethey are checked02:24
ograjaye: which package version of samba is installed ?02:24
ograwinipegm: install the kde-core package02:25
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ograultrakorne: is /usr/bin/savepower executable ?02:25
jayeI'm upgrading everything that it detected newer versions for... I'll look when it's done.02:25
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miausX_hi :)02:26
ultrakorneogra: yes, the problem is sudo ask me the password02:27
winipegmi tryed the kde02:27
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winipegmill try that kdecore02:27
ultrakorneif i give him the pass, all works, but i set NOPASSWD... i cant understand02:27
mcthorogood      /help02:28
winipegmkde-core wont install 3 depenbs02:28
ograultrakorne: there my be a additional setting anywhere.... for security reasons02:28
ograwinipegm: which ones ?02:29
winipegmarts kdebase and kdelibs02:29
jayeI have samba & smbclient 3.0.702:29
ultrakorneogra, so what's your suggest? ask on ml?02:29
jayeI'm going to restart.02:30
jayeAnd see if there's anything new.02:30
ograjaye: 3.0.7-1ubuntu6 ?02:30
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ograultrakorne: best guess, yes02:30
spikebi still think ubuntu sounds like a breed of cow02:30
jayeogra, I'll brb02:30
ograjaye: k02:30
winipegmso orga?02:31
ograwinipegm: i see them all three...02:31
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ograwinipegm: is your package list up to date (reload in synaptic)02:32
ograwinipegm: they are all in universe...02:32
liquidboyi write this in a terminal : sudo apt-get install linux-k7 and i get this response: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)02:33
liquidboyE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?02:33
ograliquidboy close synaptic02:33
liquidboycould that be beacuse im using synaptic to download stuf already?02:33
liquidboyah yep02:33
zenroxthen you gots to wate02:33
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jayeok so now what do I try?02:34
zenroxliquidboy,  i never said i could speel02:34
ograjaye: did samba start ?02:34
ograjaye: it should by default02:34
jayeI have no idea02:34
Cloudchasercheck your processes again ;)02:35
ograjaye: so open a terminal and type: ps ax|grep smb02:35
jayenmbd and smbdon root it says Ss02:35
jayeroot      3357  0.0  0.2  5632 1904 ?        Ss   19:32   0:00 /usr/sbin/nmbd -D02:35
jayeroot      3359  0.0  0.3  7848 2868 ?        Ss   19:32   0:00 /usr/sbin/smbd -D02:35
ograjaye: great02:35
Cloudchaseri'll post the smbclient command again for you02:35
ograjaye: try to connect from win02:35
winipegmsumthing in the thing wasnt enabled02:36
Cloudchasersmbclient -L yoursambaserverHostName02:36
winipegm16 of 504 packs02:36
jayeCloudchaser, It shows me sharenames02:36
winipegmonly 6 misn tho02:36
Cloudchasershoudl show all your shares02:36
Cloudchaserok thts good02:36
Cloudchaser ;)02:36
winipegm* mins02:36
ograjaye: fixed :)02:36
liquidboyzenrox: huh?02:36
jayeMy box doesn't appear on the windows box network list02:37
jayeand vice versa02:37
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zenroxliquidboy, i never said i could spel02:37
spikebi think i'd rather use nfs heh02:37
ograjaye: try search for computers on win02:37
liquidboyahhhh, - yeah i figure d you meant "wait" but i wasnt questing your spelling, i was asing why i should wait... or was that not directed at me?02:37
ograspikeb: thats a pain on win02:37
Cloudchaseri think for things to show up in the network browser you need wins02:37
Cloudchaserdid you have that as yes?02:38
spikebogra, SMB is a pain on everything on this network02:38
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nicedreamswhat are you trying to do?02:38
zenroxliquidboy,  ya wait till snyaptiv to finish02:38
ograspikeb: true02:38
nicedreamsshare files between linux and windows?02:38
jayeogra, no dice02:38
nicedreamsget the ip address and type this "//ipaddress"02:38
ograjaye: did you copy my file before ?02:38
speelhey is there any major diffrences between deb sarge and ubuntu warty?02:38
liquidboyoh ok, i thought you were meaning, once synaptic is closed , you wait after that too... i think i udnerstand now :)02:39
jayeogra, no02:39
jayeI have wins as yes02:39
ograspeel: yep, integration and gnome02:39
speelah what do you mean by integration?02:39
nicedreamswhat is the network question?02:39
ograspeel: all the admin tools, the automagic X setup etc etc02:40
jayeogra, they can't find my comp and I can't find theirs02:40
speelah ok so in your personal opinion ud stick with ubuntu?02:40
spikebubuntu also gets timely security updates02:40
spikebsarge, not always so02:40
ograspeel: i'm in fact trying to become a maintainer currently, a thing debian didnt manager to attract me to in 8 years of usage02:41
ograspikeb: sarge not at all yet02:41
spikebogra, it gets security updates all the time - in the form of updated packages.02:42
jayeso close02:42
jayebut so far02:42
speelah then il just stick to ubuntu ;)02:42
ograjaye: do you know the ip of the win box ?02:42
jayeI can get it02:42
ograspeel: you considered to switch to debian ?02:42
ograjaye: can you ping it ?02:43
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nicedreamsstick with ubuntu, all the best parts of debian, but fat free02:43
nicedreamsand much more updated02:43
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zenroxnicedreams,  i agree02:43
spikebi use ubuntu for what it's good at02:43
spikeba desktop/workstation02:43
zenroxme too02:43
nicedreamsi'm gonna make it our main server02:43
jayeok I'm trying to ping it02:43
drspinubuntu is the easiest to use Distro for me so far -- except the codecs issue but I suppose I'll let it slide ;)02:43
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jayelost all the packets02:43
ograspeel: if you want to hear the other side, join #debian and ask them why you should switch02:44
nicedreamswe've been using debian stable for our vpn/firewalls/routers/proxy/blablabla02:44
nicedreamsand selling those02:44
jayeahh there it is02:44
Cloudchasersometimes if you can't see them they're not in same workgroup02:44
nicedreamsdrspin, no joke, what's up with the codecs02:44
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nicedreamsproblem for years02:44
jayeping is about 0.842 ms02:44
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speelah ok02:44
jayeit's never < .9 and >.8 on all of them02:44
jayeerr always rather02:45
jayeso yeah i can ping it02:45
ograjaye: why did you llose pkgs ?02:45
spikebit'd be kinda cool to try netware's services on my network02:45
spikebif i ever have a server02:45
jayeI put in the ip wrong02:45
jayefinger slippage02:45
ograjaye: ah,ok02:45
jayebut is the ping going through the network hub or going through my ISP then to the computer then back through my ISP02:46
ograjaye: do you have a local network sertup with a router ?02:46
jayethey are all plugged into a hub02:47
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ograjaye: hmm02:47
jayewill a traceroute do it?02:47
Cloudchasershould go through the hub02:48
ograjaye: no need for that i think02:48
Cloudchaseryour internal ip addresses shoulndt be routable on the internet02:48
Cloudchaserand if on same subnet, no router needed02:48
ograjaye: oh... do a traceroute and send it to flood, just to be sure02:49
Cloudchaserjust need to make sure they all have same subnet mask :) if you use dhcp they all should02:49
jayetraceroute has two results02:49
speelhow how do you check the md5sum on the ubuntu disks02:49
jayethen the other comp02:49
jayethat's it02:49
ograjaye: great02:49
ograspeel: with the md5sum command02:49
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ograjaye: hmm, probably try my smb.conf for a test02:50
Cloudchaserhe has a symbol in his workgroup02:50
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jayeuse it and see if I apear?02:50
jayeyeah my workgroup name is @home.02:50
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jayeit has to be that on windows.02:50
ograjaye: try without it.....02:50
method55-laptopquestion from a person new to linux, how do i login so i have admin powers or something02:50
method55-laptopim trying to install a driver but when i go to terminal it keeps saying 'permission denied'02:51
ogramethod55-laptop: you use sudo as the logged in user02:51
method55-laptopso username : sudo02:51
ogramethod55-laptop: what kind of driver02:51
method55-laptopfor my soundcard02:51
nicedreamsjust 'sudu -s' and screw sudo02:51
method55-laptopits an old computer02:51
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neighborleeim unable to login to my ubuntu system ..getting this error  ::: unable to find: /home/neighborlee/.ICEauthority and I can't even login with failsafe...I can go in with a livecd and chroot but what do I do to fix this? ;-))02:51
nicedreamsnu0pus my man02:51
ogramethod55-laptop: the driver is surely there... no need for external installations02:51
jayeHow do I restart samba after I change config?02:51
nicedreamscd /etc/init.d02:52
nicedreams./samba restart02:52
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method55-laptopits an old ISA card02:52
nuOpus/etc/init.d/samba restart02:52
ograneighborlee: heh, installed k3b ?02:52
method55-laptopCreative AWE6402:52
neighborleeogra: yes but that was a while back i'm pretty sure...02:52
ograneighborlee: logged out since ?02:52
nuOpusSo how are thinks in the ubuntu world?02:52
steve_noobWoot!  Warty install finally downloaded, going to install now brb :)02:53
neighborleeogra: only thing different is I ( to critique it) installed FC3 on /dev/hdb5 but hdb2 with ubuntu was left intact of course....shrug I can't imagine that causing problems  though LOL02:53
method55-laptopdo i login as sudo from the original login screen?02:53
nuOpussudo is not a user02:53
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neighborleeogra: possibly not...I sometimes leave system on for days at a time02:53
method55-laptop<- new02:53
ogramethod55-laptop: use the snd-sbawe module for this card, its installed02:53
nuOpussudo is a program that gives you temporary root access02:53
nicedreamswhich is weak02:54
nuOpusroot is the actual user that is disabled by default. Just remember .... root is the king user02:54
ogranicedreams: wrong02:54
nuOpusyou never want to "use" root for daily things02:54
method55-laptophttp://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Sound+Blaster+64+Value.&chip=sb16%2C+emu8000&module=sbawe was what i was going to do ogra02:54
nicedreamsogra: sry, my opionion02:54
jayeno dice without the @ either02:54
ogramethod55-laptop: just load the module i gave you02:54
decklinnicedreams: maybe so, but it's still wrong.02:54
nuOpusgot it method?02:54
method55-laptopi feel so stupid right now...how do i load the module?02:55
ogranicedreams: did you read the wiki page ?02:55
nicedreamsnot weak in it's power02:55
method55-laptopi know nothing about linux02:55
speelbut how do you check a md5sum on the ubuntu cd .. i know its the md5sum command but what do i type02:55
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neighborleeogra: so if it was k3b at fault what is the fix02:55
nuOpuswhat module are you trying to load?02:55
nicedreamsin usage02:55
nuOpusits not a stupid question02:55
nicedreamsto me at least, it's a pain in the neck02:55
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ogramethod55-laptop: open a terminal window02:55
nuOpusjust type sudo modprobe snd-sbawe02:55
method55-laptopyeah okay02:55
spikebi thought that said snd-blows02:55
ogramethod55-laptop: type: sudo modprobe snd-sbawe02:55
nuOpusspikeb: LOL02:55
punkrockguy318the hoary gnome groups all similar windows (like gaim windows).. how can I stop this?02:56
method55-laptopit asked for my password, i typed it in, and then HD ran for a second and then the terminal went back to the prompt02:56
method55-laptopso im all set?02:56
method55-laptopill try it out02:56
nuOpuspunkrockguy318: define "gnome groups"02:56
GoneBoBpunkrockguy318: right click the bar02:56
nicedreamsmethod: type 'whoami'02:56
GoneBoBleft of the tasks02:56
GoneBoBthere is a small bar02:56
ogramethod55-laptop: if its isa it probably needs more options02:56
GoneBoBright click that02:56
Cloudchaserhmm i have samba all set up and wins server=samba server but i still can't ping pc's by name as i should be02:57
ogramethod55-laptop: you can see possible options with modinfo snd-sbawe02:57
nicedreamsyou don't need wins02:57
punkrockguy318GoneBoB, oh gotcha02:57
method55-laptopvolume control opens now02:57
ogranicedreams: thats what i thought02:57
method55-laptopit wouldnt before02:57
nicedreamscloudchaser: are you going from linux to windows or what02:57
Cloudchaserping from linux to windows02:57
nuOpuscoudchaser: wins support=yes on one of your boxes02:57
Cloudchaserthis one02:57
nuOpusand win server=
jayeI still can't see connect to mine02:57
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nuOpusor whatever it is02:57
nicedreamsdon't need wins02:57
jayeno lan party for me02:57
ogramethod55-laptop: as i said, if its isa it probably needs more options02:58
nicedreamsdon't need wins to ping another pc02:58
Cloudchaserno i didn't specify, when i specified testparm failed02:58
nicedreamscloudchaser: what's the ip of the windows box02:58
Cloudchaserit wants specification if wins server doesn't equal samba server i think02:58
Cloudchaseri don't now02:58
nicedreamsdo this in windows02:58
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nicedreamsgoto run02:58
Cloudchaserthats why i want to ping by name ;)02:58
nicedreamstype cmd or command02:58
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nicedreamsand type 'ipconfig'02:59
nuOpushe is trying to get his machine to see a share without using the IP address02:59
Cloudchaseri know how to get it02:59
nicedreamsstill don't need wins to do that02:59
nuOpusis that what you want to do cloudchaser?02:59
nicedreamsi do it without wins02:59
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punkrockguy318in hoary, my window list is all pushed to the side, it doesn't use the entire toolbar... what's up with that?02:59
Cloudchaseri'm a she ;)02:59
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ograspeel: md5sum <file>02:59
Cloudchaserand samba works and i can mount it by name02:59
nuOpusSHE is trying to be able to see a share without using IP02:59
nicedreamscloudchaser: type ipconfig in the command line02:59
Cloudchaseri just can't ping by name02:59
nicedreamsthen get the pc name02:59
Cloudchaseri can see my shares :)02:59
nuOpuscloudchaser: then you need to set up DNS02:59
nicedreamsgoto properties from mycomputer03:00
nuOpusor edit your hosts file03:00
Cloudchaseri have dhcp and the adresses change03:00
method55-laptopi have a list of the option values i need to set03:00
method55-laptophow do i set them03:00
jayeAt least you can see other computers03:00
nicedreamscloudchaser: what OS is your windows03:00
Cloudchaserso if i set a host file and the address changes, its useless03:00
nuOpusif the addresses change all the type you have to set up a DNS server03:00
Cloudchaserwindows 200003:00
nuOpusand have it update the zones dynamically03:00
method55-laptopogra: i have a list of the option values i need to set , how do i set them03:00
nicedreamscloudchaser: give yourself static ips03:00
CloudchasernuOpus, thats not necessary03:00
Cloudchaseri know that it isn't..i've never had dns servers03:00
speelhow do you check a md5sum on the ubuntu cd .. i know its the md5sum command but what do i type03:00
nuOpusoh ... then go static!03:01
Cloudchaserand been able to do it on rh9 with samba doing wins03:01
nuOpusto ping?03:01
ogramethod55-laptop: after the modulename in the modprobe command option=value03:01
Cloudchaserthings are different in ubuntu03:01
nicedreamsjust do ip numbers instead of names03:01
nuOpusping uses icmp ... has nothing to do with samba in ANY distribution03:01
nuOpusso ... setting up wins wont help you ping unless there is a dynamic dns going on03:02
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nicedreamscloud: do you have a router?03:02
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nuOpusso has any of you used smartpm yet in ubuntu?03:02
ograspeel: md5sum <file>03:02
nicedreamswhat's your router ipaddress?03:02
punkrockguy318i'm having problems with nvidia on hoary.... the new nvidia driver (6629) doesn't work with my card, only the 6111 driver.  How can I use the 6111?  When I try to install it using the nvidia installer, the installation fails....03:03
crimsunwhat card?03:03
punkrockguy318geforce 4 mx03:03
Cloudchaseri have 4 pc's and a replay tv on my network03:03
punkrockguy318i've had problems with the 6629 with other distros, it just wont work03:03
Cloudchaserall in different rooms ;)03:03
nicedreamscloud: set this <ipaddress:, 11> on one and other pc, then <subnetmask>, <gateway>, dns <>03:03
crimsunit works fine with gf4 mxes, though.03:04
punkrockguy318crimsun, other people have been having problems too03:04
punkrockguy318crimsun, there's a thread on the nvidia forums about it, they say just go back to 611103:04
crimsunpunkrockguy318: then you'll have to apply a patch to compile against the hoary kernel03:04
crimsunpunkrockguy318: perhaps you should have stuck w/ warty? :)03:05
punkrockguy318crimsun, eh, maybe.. but that's okay03:05
punkrockguy318crimsun, is there a 6111 src-deb that I can compile?03:05
crimsunpunkrockguy318: no.03:06
punkrockguy318crimsun, do you know what the patch is for the nvidia drivers?  and will this patch work with the 6111?03:06
crimsunpunkrockguy318: there is 'nvidia-kernel-source', but you will have to patch it to compile it against linux-kernel-headers-2.6.9foo03:06
nuOpussmartpm can intelligently handle multiple repositories so you can add warty distro as the main and ALSO add hoary. It lets you assign top priority to warty so you can install some packages from hoary without messing things up03:06
nicedreamsi got the newest nvidia drivers working on my nvidia03:06
nicedreamsnu0pus: forgot about that, gonna hit it up03:07
crimsunpunkrockguy318: use the nvidia diff from -ck03:07
punkrockguy318crimsun, do I have to recompile my kernel?03:07
crimsunno, why?03:07
ograjaye: i'll post my config in flood again03:07
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punkrockguy318h/o brb03:08
ograjaye: ?03:09
jayeoh sorry was messing around with console.03:09
jayeCan you repost?03:10
ograjaye: i waited ;)03:10
method55how can i test to see if my sounds working03:10
jayeDo I need to mount their systems or anything like that?03:10
method55is there a beep command or something03:10
jayety ogra03:10
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da_name_is_takendoes real player or helix player support playing a play list without opening each file each time like an idiot? :/03:11
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ograjaye: change guest account, workgroup and path to your needs03:11
ograjaye: make a backup before03:11
ograjaye: of the original file03:11
ACIDnet_when i do a ls -l what does it mean when a * is at the end of the filename???03:12
jayeWht is server string again?03:13
jayecomputer name?03:13
jayeor description?03:13
ograjaye: server string is what your win boxes see as computer name03:13
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jayecan't do smbclient -L03:16
ograjaye: restarted samba ?03:16
jayeand testparm passed03:17
ograjaye: sure :)03:17
ograjaye: look from a win box03:17
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nicedreamsi don't even know why i have my windows machine on next to me anymore03:18
jayeno dice03:18
jayeI have people that live with me that need access :(03:18
nicedreamsoh yea....ntfs and too many drives03:18
jayethey keep asking if I'm still messing with that linux shit.03:18
ograjaye: did you search ?03:18
jayeI tell them it's not linux shit.03:18
jayeone sec03:18
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ograjaye: probably the space in your server string.....03:19
Cloudchaserthats in his username i thought03:20
ograjaye: try without it03:20
jayeI changed the server string to the same as the host name03:20
method55_cant get it to work right03:21
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mabhi, just installed ubuntu, X was a bit grumpy but its all working now :)03:22
jayemab, yay!03:22
ograjaye: try if smbclient -L  with your ip works.... (localhost shouldnt with my file)03:22
ogramab: what was grumpy in the X setup ?03:23
mabsome extra characters in the xconfig, but i worked em out from the error messages03:24
ogramab: from the autoconfigurator ?03:24
mabthere was: AD" extra on 2 lines03:25
mabmonitor and something else03:25
ogramab: could you file a bug in bugzilla.ubuntu.com about that ?03:25
Cloudchaserjaye any luck?03:26
mabgimme a min, im still working out what im doing ;)03:26
ogramab: the devs are really intereasted in that: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingXAutoconfiguration03:26
jayeogra, cloudchaser, with the conf from flood and using my ip in the smbclient -L I get this error after entering my password.03:26
jayesession setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE03:26
mthorosame here03:27
ograjaye: post the modified file .... to flood03:27
ograjaye: you login name is guest ?03:28
jayethat's MY login name?03:28
ograthe user that is allowed to access the disk03:29
ogra    security = SHARE rewuires that03:29
Cloudchaserhmm did we ever edit the smbusers file jaye?03:29
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ograjaye: and the foler must exist03:29
Cloudchaserwhere you put yourlinuxusername=yourwindowsloginuser?03:29
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jayeCloudchaser, I don't think so.03:30
Cloudchaserwhat do you think ogra03:30
jayeI can see this box and a few of this box's shares on the smbclient -L03:30
ograno need for that with that file...but with the other03:30
jayebut no windows shares03:30
Cloudchaserdon't need to do that ogra? i have it on mine03:31
Cloudchaserbut i did so many things trying to get it all to work03:31
ograCloudchaser: security = SHARE  with a fixed guest account.....03:31
Cloudchaserso he has a guess account that has permissions to access it on the windows pc?03:32
ograCloudchaser: as i said, open share to the world, but less hassle (normally)03:32
Cloudchaseror is he trying to access linux from windows/03:32
jayethe export folder is open to the world?03:32
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ograjaye: thats what i said when we begun with that file....yep03:33
jayeI remember03:33
Cloudchaserbut remember if you're behind firewall or router they can't access it from internet03:33
jayewas just making sure it was only that folder03:33
ograjaye: yep, it is03:33
kebacCloudchaser: what03:34
ograjaye: just keep in mind what you copy there ;)03:34
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jayeI'll just keep it empty03:34
kebacCloudchaser: just the fact that one is behind a firewall or router doesnt prevent anyone from accessing anyone from internet03:34
jayeIs there a way to at least require a password?03:34
ograjaye: Cloudchasers way03:35
Cloudchaserif the firewall doesn't allow connections from outside local network03:35
jayeactually since no other box can see me it's not a problem yet.03:35
Cloudchaserconnecting to local pc's doesn't go through router, and a firewall at the edge would keep out any connections if its set up properly03:36
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jayeok well I can see myself in smbclient -L03:36
jayenobody can see me and I can see nobody.03:36
kebacCloudchaser: a "router" doesnt prevent any connections from anywhere03:36
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jayewhere do I go from here?03:36
ograjaye: what kind of win is there around you ?03:36
jayewin 98 SE03:36
Cloudchasera firewall does03:36
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ograjaye: hmm, should work then....weird03:37
kebacCloudchaser: nor does a firewall03:37
ograjaye: i never had probs with this file, i copy it around since years form pc to pc.....03:37
kebacCloudchaser: firewall prevents connections if it's configured to do so03:37
Cloudchaserthats what i said kebec03:37
Cloudchaser"if its configured properly"03:38
kebacCloudchaser: "configured properly" does not mean that it prevents connections03:38
ograjaye: did you look in the network browser if there is probably another workgroup visible ?03:38
ograjaye: on win that is03:38
Cloudchaserok kebec03:38
mabbug submitted :)03:38
Cloudchaserhowever you say03:38
kebacCloudchaser: right03:38
ogramab: great, thanks :)03:39
jayeThe windows box sees me by IP03:39
jayenot by hostname03:39
jayebut IP03:39
ograjaye: yay03:39
ograjaye: can you access the share ?03:39
jayenow how do I access the box?03:39
kebacsure thing... windows uses netbios to see boxes through hostnames03:39
jayeIt sees a folder called export!03:39
ograjaye: try to access it03:39
funkyis there multiverse hoary repository ?03:40
jayeIt wants a password03:40
ografunky: sure03:40
jayeand unfortunately I don't know what it is.03:40
jayebecause it's not the root pass03:40
ograjaye: it shouldnt03:40
jayeIt does03:40
funkyogra: ok03:40
edomatfunky: yes, add multiverse after universe on your repositories list03:41
ograjaye: on linux, show us the permissions of the shared folder03:41
funkyedomat: yep, i did it03:41
ograjaye (ls -l)03:41
jayeowner check check check03:42
jayegrou check blank check03:42
jayeothers check blank check03:42
ograjaye: check all03:42
ograjaye: make it world writable03:42
ograjaye: then restart samba and try again from win03:42
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Crane|laptophowdy all03:44
jayestill wants a password03:44
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edomatjaye: when you try to connect to the share?03:45
ograjaye: show the output of: ls -l /home/$USER/Export03:46
jayetotal 003:46
ograjaye: does the folder you share actually exist ?03:47
ograjaye: so show the output of the ls -l command03:47
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jayejaye@C1752040-c:~ $ /home/jaye/export03:48
jayebash: /home/jaye/export: is a directory03:48
jayejaye@C1752040-c:~ $ ls -l /home/jaye/export03:48
jayetotal 003:48
jayejaye@C1752040-c:~ $03:48
jayesee, it is a directory.03:48
ograjaye: ls -l /home/jaye |grep export03:48
jayedrwxrwxrwx    2 jaye     jaye         4096 2004-12-27 20:33 export03:49
ograjaye: ahh, thanks03:49
ograjaye: looks good....03:49
ograjaye: and the guest user is called jaye ?03:49
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jayethat person on the winbox?03:50
jayeor me?03:50
Seqis this a smb share?03:50
jayein conf gues user is called jaye03:50
ograjaye: in the smb.conf03:50
jayeyes it's jaye03:50
ograjaye: you didnt create any smbpasswd file ?03:51
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jaye... cloud had me make one... but I didn't put anything in it.03:51
hazza96how do I get hold of Firefox 1.0 for Ubuntu?03:51
ograjaye: thats the prob i guess....03:51
pseudoQuick question: None of the wiki suggested marillat repositories work .... any suggestions on picking up a working copy of win32codecs?03:52
ograpseudo: pull it manually from the marillat arch03:52
jayeCloud!  What file did oyu have me make?03:52
ograpseudo: its in stable03:52
macewanhazza96: read the break my ubuntu03:53
Cloudchaserhe did do the smbpasswd i thoght03:53
jayeogra, ther's a smbpasswd file.03:53
jayeI found it03:53
pseudoogra, Seems to be offline?03:53
Cloudchaserthe one we didn't do was smbusers03:53
jayeOk cloudchaser, what do I do to this file?03:53
ograjaye: move it away, restart samba and try03:53
jayemove it away?03:53
jayeto another folder?03:53
ograjaye: for example to your home03:54
hazza96macewan: where is that?03:54
jayeI can't move it... don't have permission.03:54
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jayeI don't know the command in terminal03:54
ograjaye: sudo mv <sourcefile> <targetdir>03:54
macewanhazza96: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu/view?searchterm=backports03:54
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macewan:) fi* 1.0 is nice03:55
jayeok it's moved03:55
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ksatcuHi guys, I'm new to ubuntu....am trying to get openssh working and its driving me nuts03:55
pseudoAnyone know what this means? : W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B90703:55
ograjaye: restart samba and try from win.....i'm nearly out of ideas03:56
pseudoGetting that ^^^ during an apt-get update.03:56
ograpseudo: seems you use hoary03:56
ograpseudo: it signs packages nowadays03:56
pseudoogra: yes, just updated for the patch kernel for begle03:56
ksatcuI'm trying to start sshd with both protocol 1 and 2, but /etc/init.d/ssh start complains with03:56
ksatcuDisabling protocol version 1. Could not load host key03:56
pseudoogra: Hmmm. Is there a way to get it ot ignore?03:57
jayestil password03:57
ograpseudo: marillat doesnt sign his pkgs03:57
ksatcuany ideas?03:57
ograjaye: sorry, no idea anymore... it works on all my boxes with this setup with any win version :/03:57
speelhey did gimp 2.2 release for ubuntu yet?03:57
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ograspeel: its in hoary03:58
jayewell, cloudchaser.. what do you think I ought to do to this pswd file?03:58
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Cloudchaseri have mine set up differently from ogra03:58
jayewell I'm open to anythin03:58
jayebeen at it since noon03:58
jaye8 hours03:58
ograjaye: just copy both files back03:58
speelbahhh! not hoary03:58
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jayeogra, your conf file works better than the other did.03:59
ograjaye: then you got Cloudchasers setup again03:59
jayeI just need to fix this password thing and I should be set.03:59
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Roman|HomeI have a stupid user question.  How do you change default file icons (like for .mp3 files, for example)?03:59
ksatcusorry folks....anyone have clues on the sshd question?03:59
jayethat samba file got put back into that foler04:00
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ksatcucant seem to get sshd to run with both protocol 1 and 204:03
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supertux_hi i have a usb storage device connected04:04
ograksatcu: why do you want to run the unsafe 1 ?04:04
supertux_but it doesnt get mounted and i need to get files off of it04:04
ksatcuagreed, but a host that I need to ssh from doesnt have a client that supports version 204:04
ksatcuand I dont have access to upgrade the client04:05
ksatcuI've tried the standard, made use that the host file is 600, pub file is 644 etc04:05
ksatcuI have both the version 2 and version 1 files04:05
ksatcubut if I start sshd, it complains that it couldnt load the host key for version 104:06
supertux_anyone know how to do this?04:06
ograksatcu: in never actually trued to mix the two04:06
ograsupertux_: do you see it in device manager ?04:06
supertux_yeah its there04:07
supertux_USB PTP interface04:07
ograsupertux_: do you see the disk below ?04:07
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pseudoogra: is there a way to get apt to ignore package signing?04:08
ograsupertux_: try plugging out and in again04:08
mesiterclockanyone had problems with glx not being found with the new nvidia drivers?04:08
supertux_ogra, i tried that04:08
ograpseudo: donno, havent played with it yet04:08
supertux_its very consistent in doing the exact same thing04:09
supertux_it does not get mounted04:09
ograsupertux_: hmm, it should....04:09
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ograsupertux_: if you see the disk, can you look at the advanced tab ? the first entry should be the device04:10
supertux_ogra, i think the problem is that it doesnt know its capabilities04:10
ograsupertux_: you are on warty ?04:10
ograsupertux_: then it should simply work... look for the device entry in the advanced tab04:11
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pseudoalso, I'm getting some weird behavior with xorg, I removed all resolutions from the config except 1280x1024, but the only option it gives is 1440x900? and that's not even in ANY of the configs.04:12
pseudois there a setup program for X.org?04:12
supertux_ogra, there is no usb.device04:12
supertux_there is usb.device_otherstuff04:12
ograsupertux_: we are looking for an /dev/something04:13
ograsupertux_: its always the first entry04:13
supertux_there is /sys/devices/stuff04:13
ograsupertux_: if you see the disk and its partitions its on the disk branch04:13
trans_errpseudo, are you editing the right conf?04:14
ograsupertux_: the entry is called block.device04:14
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supertux_ogra, nothing with block on it04:15
ograpseudo: only if you never touched the config file manually, else the tools will fail04:15
ograsupertux_: very bad04:15
ograpseudo: if you never did, you can do: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg04:16
supertux_ogra, yeah tell me about it04:16
mesiterclock6629 drivers are broken altogether?04:16
pseudoogra, Yeah, I edited xorg.conf, but I can restore it to the original settings.04:17
pseudoogra, The only thing I changed was the resolutions04:17
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ograsupertux_: i cant....no idea, and its 04:17am here, i think i need to sleep.....04:17
pseudoogra, do I need to delete xfree86-common from /etc/init.d?04:18
ograpseudo: did you make a backup of the original file ? then copy it back...the mechanism uses md5 so editing it back wont help04:18
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pseudoI did not04:19
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ograpseudo: :(04:19
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codemarauderhi all04:19
pseudogot a copy? ;)04:19
pseudoor will that not work either?04:19
ograpseudo: try xf86cfg then and save the file on exit to your home...then copy them over04:19
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ogranight all04:20
codemaraudergood night ogra04:20
scoonyo, yo, yo.  what's up party people04:20
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codemarauderjust joined the channel...04:21
codemaraudernew to ubuntu04:21
ron0909me too :) Hi everyone04:21
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codemarauderbut I don't have ubuntu installed at my machine04:21
codemarauderrequested for the cd and expecting the same in a month or so04:21
scooncodemarauder, why not just dl it.  it is pretty small.04:22
ron0909I love it..just got my cd's before xmas04:22
mthoro>500 Mb is a lot to download04:22
scoonmthoro, it is ?04:22
scooni take it not many here have broad band, then.04:22
codemarauderI don't have a CD writer here04:23
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mthoroI guess if you use bit torrent that will conserve bandwidth04:23
ron0909I downloaded it but got cd's to hand out to folks04:23
codemarauderalso internet link is unstable04:23
scoonas usualk, the internet is crap again.04:24
scoonthat is why porn works so well.  those god damn thumbnails don't take much effort to see04:24
scoon:)] 04:24
codemarauderdoes it offer same ease as debian?04:24
ron0909has anyone tried to get the latest ati drivers to work?04:25
mthoromaybe ubuntu needs to have a net install image which is 50 Mb04:25
scoonmaybe instead of keychain drives, broad band should be purchased.04:25
zenroxmthoro,  that be hard on the d/l servers04:25
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Cloudchaserogra are you still here????04:26
mthoroogra went to bed04:26
Cloudchaseroh darn04:26
NivlemCan't get the printer to print...selected new epson stylus photo...all it does is eject paper..never prints anything?04:26
NivlemStylus Photo R200 specifically04:26
NivlemAutodetected the exact name and model when setting up printer04:27
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codemarauderNivlem r u using CUPS to print?04:30
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qwertyIs there a channel op here? I am banned from this channel with my normal nick, and I dont have a clue why... I only ever talk about compiling stuff and things directly related to Ubuntu, so I am a bit surprised to suddenly find myself banned04:39
s0cksqwerty : I frequent that channel, and you get pretty annoying sometimes04:40
s0cksAnd that is ban evading.04:40
qwertys0cks, this is not my normal nick04:40
qwertyI cannot log on with my normal nick04:41
s0cksAnd someone banned you from here?04:41
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qwertys0cks, my normal nick is JDahl... I am pretty sure you havent even noticed me here04:41
s0cksI have.04:41
s0cksYou are ban evading, a glinable offense.04:42
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qwertyare you an op? I am not sure I know what you mean by evading... noone told me I was banned, and I havent talked to anyone here...04:42
punkrockguy318is there any way that I can use the nvidia 6111 driver in hoary?04:43
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steven_noobHello World!04:46
JDahlhmm... no ban after all... I forgot I had been experimenting with Tor - guess I got an unlucky IP number. You're nick seems strangely suitable, s0cks04:46
punkrockguy318is there any way that I can use the nvidia 6111 driver in hoary?04:47
steven_noobLooks like ubuntu installed cleanly on my laptop :)  Only one thing though...04:47
s0ckslol. I was jus screwin with you. I looked at the ban list.04:47
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steven_noobIt never asked me for a root password during setup, any idea how I can set one up?04:47
mthoroget used to it there is none04:48
mthoroyou need to use the sudo command04:48
steven_noobOh ok04:48
ron0909part of that says how to allow root in ubuntu04:48
steven_noobStill I don't have a root password so isn't that a real security risk?04:48
mthorotry sudo -s for a root shell04:49
ron0909just checking for it myself04:49
supertux_why doesnt the ubuntu kernel support file systems like fat16?04:49
steven_noobHmm ok maybe I'm just paranoid but seems like just issuing sudo could be pretty dangerous04:50
steven_noobOn the whole though this is the very best non-commercial linux 've seen so far, and deffinetely gives even SuSE 9.2 a run for it's money.04:51
Crane|laptoproot acces is disabled completely right04:51
steven_noobI can't spell tonight04:51
Crane|laptopIt's kind of a learning curve for me04:52
Crane|laptopI'm used to rpm based distros04:52
Crane|laptopand never had good luck with debian04:52
steven_noobSame here but I used FreeBSD before so the apt system seems pretty comfortable too04:52
punkrockguy318is there any way that i can install the nvidia 6111 driver on hoary?04:53
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steven_noobWas ndiswrapper installed by default with Warty?04:54
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nevynI think so.04:54
Crane|laptoppunkrock: I wouldn't see why not as long as you install the kernel source04:55
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punkrockguy318Crane|laptop, how?04:56
alka_trashhey ubunters04:56
Crane|laptopThat Im not sure of04:56
punkrockguy318Crane|laptop, :-\04:56
Crane|laptopYou may be able to apt-get kernel-source04:56
alka_trashjust a silly question, the k7 is for athlon xp cpus right?04:57
Crane|laptopDo you not like the current driver04:57
punkrockguy318Crane|laptop, it doesn't work w/ my card04:57
Crane|laptopOh newer card?04:58
punkrockguy318older card04:58
Crane|laptopI'm running a fx 520004:58
Crane|laptopwas running ti 440004:58
punkrockguy318the nvida forum said that it will be fixed in the next driver release but use 6111 til then04:58
Crane|laptophmmmm use synaptic and search for kernel source04:59
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Crane|laptopor  kernel-source04:59
punkrockguy318i have kernel-source04:59
Crane|laptopI'm not on my ubuntu system right now so I can't check05:00
Crane|laptopHave you tried installing?05:00
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alka_trashdoes any know what's better for Athlon xp processors? 686 kernel or k705:01
Crane|laptopso did you get errors?05:01
Crane|laptopalka: I have always used 68605:01
punkrockguy318Crane|laptop, yeah05:02
punkrockguy318Crane|laptop, invalid module formar05:02
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punkrockguy318ugh i should have stayed with wart05:04
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punkrockguy318it was dumb of me to upgrade05:06
Crane|laptopso you were able to install drivers on warty05:06
punkrockguy318yup, because they had binary 611105:06
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punkrockguy318i dont really want to reinstall though05:07
Crane|laptopYea reinstalling can be a pain05:09
Crane|laptopis debian a good distro for servers?05:09
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jayehow do you shutdown samba daemons so they don't keep running?05:15
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JDahljaye, sudo /etc/init.d/<service> (stop|start|restart)... In this case use "stop"05:18
Cloudchaserbut it starts auto when you boot ubuntu05:18
Cloudchaserhe doesn't want to to restart automatically for now05:19
s1amsondoes anyone know if this *nix is supoortaive of the linksys wmp11 wireless card?05:19
s1amsonlol yourself :P05:20
s1amsoncuz, if so, imma d/l :D05:20
JDahlCloudchaser, then I guess you would have to manually edit the /etc/init.d/<service> script... I dont think you can do it another way. For inspiration the init script that comes with openafs-client does exactly that: "start" does nothing, you have to manually start it with "force-start"05:21
zenroxs1amson, hmm let me look for you ill spoon feed ya05:21
s1amson^^ he sounds smart, maybe he knows05:21
zenroxs1amson,  thay are all smart05:21
Cloudchaseri think its a major oversight not to have the services gui in ubuntu05:21
Cloudchaserfor this very reason05:21
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s1amsonspoon feed me zenny - imma go ahead and d/l and pray, that you can help05:22
s1amsonall my other hw is supported05:23
s1amsonyall have a live eval05:23
zenroxhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7319&highlight=wmp11 <<-check that out05:24
zenroxs1amson,  yes05:24
zenroxwe have a live cd05:24
zenroxtho its diferent then the ubuntu install05:25
s1amsonhonestly, i believe that my card has a nix driver - just not sure that this distro can make friends with it05:25
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s1amsontheres three diff releases of software for that card - theres been changes in the chipset05:26
zenroxs1amson, probly but i dont screw around with the kernel to often05:26
zenroxthat one i posted here is for ver 405:26
s1amsonlemme find driver cdc05:26
s1amsonhad it a sec ago05:26
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jayeWhat's a good firewall?05:29
Greywolf73Good day, can anyone tell if Ubuntu has support for USB keyboard during boot on install?05:29
Cloudchaserfor linux firestarter is ok i think05:30
Cloudchasereasy enough05:30
s1amsonGreywolf73 im new to it, but - if it works in ther live eval - it'll work on install05:30
jayewhat about gnome-lokkit?05:30
Greywolf73it did not work on the install05:30
Greywolf73I was unable to get pass the boot screen05:31
s1amsonthen im not sure :) sry05:31
s1amsonmy first time here, just wassnt sure if ya tried it r not05:31
Greywolf73thanks for the help05:32
JDahlGreywolf73, it works for me... out of curiosity - do you have a recent Dell machine?05:32
Greywolf73it is a custom pc05:32
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JDahlGreywolf73, ok... I ask because I know that recent Dell machines have had troubles installing Debian05:33
Greywolf73I was guessing it had something to do with the motherboard05:34
Cloudchaserhow do you find out where a package is installed to?05:34
Greywolf73JDahl, were you using a usb keyboard?05:35
zenroxCloudchaser, easy seard for it in snyaptic05:35
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zenroxor go look in /usr/lib /opt /usr/local05:35
wartyer.... anyone got a sec for a silly question?05:35
JDahlCloudchaser, dpkg -S <pkg> if the package is installed, or apt-cache search <pkg> to get info on packages that may not be installed05:36
zenroxask away werty05:36
mthoroCloudchaser: "sudo updatedb" and use the locate command05:36
Cloudchaserhehe i do that05:36
wartydoes Ubuntu allow dual monitors support or a resolution over 1024x768?05:36
Cloudchaserbut i figured there was a dpkg command but i couldn't figure it out from man05:37
spikebwarty, yes to the second05:37
zenroxyes to bolth05:37
spikebwarty, the automatic config thign is just too stupid to config for above 1024x76805:37
wartyno dual monitor though? ;_;05:37
maximausCloudchaser, "whereis" is also a handy command for finding stuff05:37
spikebi would assume dual monitors work just fine05:37
spikebbut i cant tell you personally.05:37
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zenroxwerty but you gots to do lotes of werk to get the montor add to x confi file05:38
zenroxSysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.9-1-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 1992.963 MHz Bogomips: 3948.54 Mem: 307/497M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 36.86G Free: 31.47G Procs: 89 Uptime: 48 mins 1 sec Load: 1.70 1.40 1.41  Screen: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 (24 bpp) eth0: In: 56.17M Out: 3.60M05:38
zenroxthats my res werty05:38
JDahlGreywolf73, yes... I was having troubles with the USB keyboard (didnt work with kernel 2.4), and ACPI crashed on kernel 2.6, but that can be turned off during boot05:38
spikebim running at 1280x102405:38
spikebmy monitor does that at 75hz. everything higher is too painful to look at05:38
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spikebanyone know if beagle can search tag info from music files?05:40
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siulcaI'm about to install Ubuntu on my winXP machine. I got the linux partition ready formated as ext3. is there anything I should be aware before I go ahead with installation?05:46
zenroxsiulca,  nope05:47
siulcaI want to keep dual boot btw!05:47
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zenroxdont worrie ubuntu will etect it and add winxp to your boot loader05:47
siulcaexcellent, what bootloader does Ubuntu install?05:48
codemarauderhi tpyo05:48
codemarauderI'm here again05:48
siulcaalright... thanks.05:48
zenroxsiulca,  let us knjow how it goes05:49
siulcaok, will do but only tomorrow as it's 4:50am here and must sleep urgently :)05:49
zenroxok night night then05:49
siulcanight night everybody.05:50
zenroxill be here all day tomaro05:50
siulcaok, bye for now.05:50
Creapit's 5:50 am here and i'm installing ubuntu too05:50
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siulcalol where r u Creap05:50
zenroxonly 9pm here05:50
ThanatermesisUbuntu live cd runs in XORG ?05:50
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zenroxThanatermesis,  no05:50
siulcaok, good luck Creap ;)05:51
zenroxits based on werty release of ubuntu05:51
Thanatermesisok, thanks zenrox05:51
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crimsunpeople seem to be a bit too enthralled by the X.Org name05:51
crimsun(not to be confused with the true differences)05:52
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zenroxcrimsun, how are you today05:52
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zenroxmuch better i just moved my loung chait to my desk05:54
zenroxback was killing me05:54
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crimsunzenrox: I'm doing well, thanks. Good to hear 'bout your back.05:55
zenroxi need to get a new computer chair my other one the back broke off05:55
crimsunthat's not a good thing, heh05:56
zenroxno shit05:56
zenroxit was a wooden dinner table chair05:56
zenroxi leand back and i just kept going05:56
zenroxya thats what i said when i was on the floor05:57
zenroxat lest it dint do any perminat damage05:59
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zenroxhowed it go06:02
Creapok but it seems it installed on my sata disk and partitioned it on its own with swap disks and stuff, though i had prepared another disk for it. but it doesn't really matter06:03
Creapi just selected the sata disk at the beginning since i wanted to format it to ext3 too :P06:03
Creapand i didn't want to format the whole other disk, just the linux partitons.. but everything is fine and it even handles my apple keyboard06:03
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zenroxCreap, thats casue you told ubuntu to partion auto06:05
zenroxand it chose that drive06:05
zenroxbut it dont matter as you said06:05
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JayeAeotivHow do I access a different hard drive?06:08
zenroxwhat drive06:08
zenroxand whares it at06:08
zenroxtype of file systom06:08
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zenroxgeneraly it helps to mount it06:09
infieI had a CD burner working fine in ubuntu as secondary controller, slave06:09
infieI moved it to primary slave06:09
infieAnd changed fstab06:09
zenroxlike sudo mount -t fstype /dev/hdX(x=abcd) /mnt/foo06:09
JayeAeotivIt's probably Fat3206:10
zenroxinfie,  ya06:10
infiehowever the burn dialog doesn't let me do anything but make an image now06:10
JayeAeotivshould be hdb06:10
infieI changed fstab from hdd to hdb06:10
JayeAeotivbecause it's not a partition06:10
zenroxJayeAeotiv, then you do sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hdb /mnt/thenameyouchosehere06:10
zenroxinfie,  do a sudo mount -a06:11
zenroxJayeAeotiv,  n/p06:11
JayeAeotivzenrox, is there a way to see the partitions on hdb?06:11
JayeAeotivthere should be like 4 I think06:11
zenroxinfie,  what burner app are you trying to use06:11
infiedoesn't help06:11
infieneither does a reboot06:11
steven_noobHey anyone here know where I an get setup information for ndiswrapper?06:11
infiethe one built into nautilus06:11
zenroxJayeAeotiv, ya  but i dont know it06:12
infiethe drive does work under its new settings06:12
JayeAeotivthenameyouchosehere... it says it doesn't exist.06:12
zenroxJayeAeotiv, if thare are 4 and you know it the do /dev/hdv1 /dev/hdb2 ect06:12
infieBut not as a burner06:12
infieWhat command line program is used to burn?06:12
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zenroxmake a new dir in your /mnt dir06:12
WeedVenderguess whos back :)06:13
zenroxJayeAeotiv,  do mkdir /mnt/what you want to know it06:13
zenroxsudo mkdir /mnt/ what ever for each partion06:13
zenroxinfie,  i dont use the command line for burning06:14
zenroxi use k3b06:14
WeedVenderhow in the world do you use command lines for burning?06:14
zenroxWeedVender,  very cearfuly06:14
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WeedVender*although the thought of doing that would be cool...06:14
codemaraudercdrecord can be used for burning on the commandline06:14
codemarauderinfact GUI applications in turn call cdrecord AFAIK06:15
JayeAeotivmount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb2,06:15
JayeAeotiv       or too many mounted file systems06:15
JayeAeotiv       (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition,06:15
JayeAeotiv       instead of some logical partition inside?)06:15
zenroxJayeAeotiv,  are thay you win xp partions06:15
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JayeAeotivI don't have/use/want xp06:15
zenroxthen it might be fat1606:15
infiecdrecord is being unhelpful06:16
zenroxso just put fat16 insted of vfat06:16
WeedVendertalking on the same subject06:16
zenroxWeedVender,  no06:16
zenroxi just got lazy06:16
WeedVenderI formated a FAT 32 primary partition06:16
WeedVenderI want to mount it, would it matter if it was logical or extended?06:17
zenroxWeedVender,  no06:17
JayeAeotivYeah, I'm pretty sure this is Fat3206:17
zenroxJayeAeotiv, try putting auto insted of vfat06:17
s1amsonsince were on that topic06:18
zenroxbrb need more pop06:18
JayeAeotivall the files are unusable on this anyway06:18
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JayeAeotivI guess I'm forced to dual boot06:19
s1amsonslax has issues with running (even if stored in RAM) with ntfs06:19
s1amsonall my partitions are ntfs06:19
s1amsonwill i have issues running live eval?06:19
zenroxs1amson, you shouldent06:19
zenroxs1amson, slax and most any other distros can only read ntfs06:20
s1amsonmain reason for going live eval is due to netcaqrd06:20
s1amsonslax cant06:20
s1amsonnot the live eval ( which is called slaz)06:20
s1amsonit can read it06:20
s1amsonbut it needs a place to store temp06:20
s1amsoncant w on ntfs06:21
s1amsonnot live eval anyway06:21
zenroxbut if you custom compile a kernel of your own for ubuntu using the kernel2.6.9 you can get it to write to ntfs06:21
s1amsonhense why i'll be calling you06:21
calcwrite is somewhat generous for what it can do06:21
calclast i checked it can only overwrite files the same size as they originally were06:22
s1amsondirected at me?06:22
calcyea wrt ntfs06:22
s1amsonnot good06:23
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zenroxya calc but thats an improvment06:23
ryan_hey, does anyone know of a good program for drawing geometric figures?06:23
crimsuninkscape? the gimp?06:23
s1amsongeometric is a pretty broad topic :P06:23
ryan_well, specificially, circles :P06:23
s1amsonif im understanding you, you wanna draw a circle?06:24
ryan_i need to have the same functionality as a compass/protractor06:24
ryan_*compass and protractor06:24
s1amsonyea, all of the above can do it06:24
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zenroxryan_, try doing a search in snyaptic for vector06:25
ryan_oh, ok, thx06:25
ryan_alright, ill check for it06:25
zenroxvector ant the program name06:25
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s1amsontell ya06:25
zenroxwit will just give a list that has vector in it06:25
s1amsonthats one original question06:25
JDahlryan_, "apt-cache search vector" might also be helpful06:25
ryan_nope...nothing with vector in it cept for some library, could it be in multiverse?06:25
zenroxme and JDahl  will cover comand line and gui06:26
WeedVenderwhat does synaptic actually do?06:26
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zenroxWeedVender,  installs packages06:26
s1amsonoh, sorry, didnt know it was vector specific - didnt see that in the q06:26
zenroxjust like apt-get06:26
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zenroxs1amson,  its ok just settle down06:27
ryan_i just installed inkscape, im gonna quickly check it out06:27
WeedVenderso the Java runtime, and the xmms player that I have, synaptic can install it?06:27
sulkdcan nautilus not write cds or dvds "on the fly" like without copying all the data to a udf image first?06:27
sulkdor iso for that matter06:27
JDahlWeedVender, it's a curses based interface to apt-get, with more intelligence (marks "recommended" etc for installation, and lets you toggle through dependencies)06:27
zenroxWeedVender,  only if its on the respotories06:27
zenroxsulkd,  ya thats what it does writes on the fly06:28
zenroxsulkd,  not any thang else06:28
ryan_ok, thx everyone06:29
ryan_i think inkscape will do the job06:29
sulkdzenrox, no it creates an image first, then writes it06:29
zenroxsulkd, never does for me06:29
zenroxwrites it on the fly06:29
sulkdzenrox, heh06:29
zenroxi put what i want in to it then burn it06:30
sulkdand you putting something into burn:/// and then burning it qualifies it as writing on the fly?06:30
sulkdregardless that it requires exactly the amount of free space as you are trying to burn, and then populates your /tmp with an iso or udf structure06:30
zenroxi guess i lernt something new06:31
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sulkdzenrox, that isn't writing on the fly.. that would mean it would create the image in memory and then write the chunks in sequence without using the disk06:31
sulkdyeah.. "lol" indeed..06:31
WeedVenderIm sorry for the inappropriateness of the question, but does anyone know where I can send email get well cards?06:32
zenroxWeedVender,  to who06:32
zenroxsulkd,  so thare for i dont thak you can truly burn on the fly06:32
discordhow do i watch quicktime and wmv videos is there a package for the codecs?06:32
WeedVenderA friend of mine who isnt feeling to good emotionally (girl)06:33
zenroxdiscord,  yes win32codecs06:33
discordis that the package i download06:33
discorddo i need to add a non free repositoty because i do not see it in my package search06:33
WeedVenderthose Win32codecs, do they include lossless codecs?06:34
zenroxya and its broke at the moment06:34
zenroxWeedVender,  like the ipod format06:34
zenroxor more like mp4's06:35
WeedVenderno, not mp406:35
spikebyou dont need the win32 codec for AAC06:35
WeedVendermathematically lossless codecs06:36
zenroxya spikeb  is riht06:36
spikebWeedVender, not in the essential win32 codec package06:36
WeedVenderlike the linux equivilant of huffyuv06:36
spikebWeedVender, FLAC06:36
WeedVenderok.. thanks.06:36
spikeb(which is native)06:36
spikeband free :)06:37
steven_noobQuick question... Anyone know what the application that tracks battery power for laptops in gnome is called? It keeps telling me I only have 1 minute of battery life left, but I'm currently hooked to the power outlet06:37
Lathiathmm.. anyone used gnome-bluetooth-manager?06:37
spikebbattstat or something silly06:38
zenroxLathiat,  nope06:38
spikebnot me Lathiat06:38
steven_noobAny idea where I can find more information on it?06:38
spikebi should go to bed - i'm being useless06:39
WeedVenderwait spike06:39
zenroxspikeb,  no you arnt06:39
WeedVenderor anyone who can answer..06:39
steven_noobOk I actually was wondering if there were ubuntu specific docs for it06:39
spikebWeedVender, yeah?06:39
WeedVenderhow can I install flash?06:39
zenroxsteven_noob,  nope06:39
WeedVenderi mean like i found a site for the ecard but i need flash to preview something06:40
spikebWeedVender, enable the multiverse repository, then search for flash in synaptic06:40
zenroxWeedVender,  redad ubuntuguide.org06:40
WeedVenderand it will work once i close synaptex06:40
spikebWeedVender, actually, i lied - enable multiverse, refresh, search for flash, install the right package, then it shoudl work06:41
zenroxi am here s1amson06:41
s1amsonnot support flash by default?06:41
WeedVenderFLAC is audio!06:41
zenroxnope got to install it06:41
spikebWeedVender, you wanted video?06:41
s1amsonits an imperrative componet06:42
WeedVenderi Need a Lossless codec for VIDEO06:42
spikebi missed that bit06:42
s1amsonno miond installoing it06:42
WeedVenderno, sorry on my part06:42
WeedVenderi didn't specify06:42
s1amsonbut - gotta ask for help to do it is another thing06:42
zenroxs1amson,  its easy to install06:42
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zenroxs1amson,  you can allways just callme06:42
s1amsonso - hes a nix noob then06:42
zenroxits easyer that way06:42
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spikebWeedVender, i'm looking on google to see if i can find anything06:42
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s1amsonthought it was something to do with distro06:43
zenroxs1amson,  most disrots dont home it installed as defualt06:43
zenroxok now i cant type06:43
s1amsonim aware of that06:43
zenroxand i ant even drinking06:43
s1amsonmost distros you dont have to ask about it either06:44
spikebWeedVender, i'm not finding anything06:44
spikebWeedVender, what was the name of the one you mentioned earlier?06:44
zenroxs1amson,  check out http://ubuntuguide.org and all will come aprent06:44
s1amsonUbuntu 4.10 = current?06:45
zenroxno thats the ver of the guide06:45
WeedVenderits ok, i will find it06:45
s1amsonwill say "omg" when im done06:45
spikebWeedVender, i found it - both xine and mplayer support Huffyuv (if thats what you wanted)06:45
spikebno problem06:46
s1amsonwow @ "sudo"06:46
zenroxant that kewl06:46
zenroxno root06:46
s1amsonnot really06:46
s1amsonsu is way easier06:46
spikebi think its great06:46
spikebsudo rocks su06:46
zenroxi agree06:46
spikebneed a shell? sudo -s (i believe)06:46
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zenroxok WeedVender06:47
s1amsonwhats diff tween "sudo" and su06:47
WeedVenderthe screen06:47
zenroxsudo is casue you dont have root06:47
WeedVenderbecause gnome just crashed06:47
zenroxsu to take you in to a root console06:47
s1amsonso, its the same thing06:47
WeedVenderthe screen went crazy and then black, then back to loggin06:47
s1amsonroot ax06:48
zenroxs1amson,  basickly06:48
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zenroxbut different06:48
spikebs1amson, sudo lets your user execute things with root permission, su makes you root.06:48
s1amsonseems kinda redundent06:48
spikebWeedVender, that sucks06:48
spikebs1amson, there is A LOT of redundancy in the open source world06:48
zenroxsudo alows you to do root sommand in your sued account wirh out having to switch to a root console06:48
s1amsonwell, its a good thing really, for people w/out root ax06:48
spikebthere are eight billion OSS apps, but they only do a couple million things ;)06:48
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s1amsona perm thing06:49
zenroxs1amson,  it cuts down on noobs doing dumb thangs in root06:49
s1amsonits prolly good, im just trying to understand it06:49
s1amsonlord knows i mad e many of those err0rs in suse before it was gay06:49
spikeba sudo enabled account is, to me, a compromise between root and a normal user.06:49
zenroxo agree06:50
WeedVender*warning: COuldn't start source package list http:archive.......Universe Packages, binary packages, no such file or directory06:50
s1amsonso, "sudo" lets ya install - but not alter06:50
WeedVenderthats what I get06:50
WeedVenderon Synaptic06:50
zenroxs1amson,  you can alter if you know how06:50
spikebWeedVender, do you want to do this the easy way?06:50
WeedVender prompts06:51
s1amsonit gives ya perm - just not access to what_is06:51
zenroxs1amson,  yep06:51
spikebWeedVender, give me an email address and i will send you a nice sources list06:51
WeedVender7 prompts06:51
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s1amsonya, thats purdy kool06:51
zenroxspikeb,  tell hime to get the one off the guide06:51
spikebok give me a minute to write some comments06:51
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spikebzenrox, mine's better06:51
zenroxi want a copy then06:51
WeedVenderthat guide doesn't have a few things like "what if"06:51
spikebWeedVender, and zenrox i'll upload it to a place for you guys06:52
spikebgive me a couple minutes to write some comments06:52
s1amsonzen - dcc it when done d/l06:52
zenroxs1amson,  you wont need it till you install werty06:52
s1amsonits something to read while on the shitter06:52
zenroxit ant long enuff for that06:53
zenrox30 lines06:53
zenroxis all it is06:53
s1amsonwill i be able to play mah videos06:54
s1amsonburn dvds06:54
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zenroxi can play any formant that i have came across06:54
zenroxincluding mp4's06:54
zenroxthat i riped my cd too06:54
spikebWeedVender, zenrox : http://www.cuodan.net/~spike/sources.list06:54
crimsunI wish I could play m4ps06:54
crimsunthen I'd be set ;)06:54
spikebcrimsun, mp4 you mean?06:55
crimsunspikeb: iTune's DRMed mp4s.06:55
s1amsonwithout editing kernel?06:55
zenroxcrimsun,  install the xmms plug in06:55
spikebcrimsun, you can06:55
zenroxyep s1amson06:56
NigelenkiI installed ubuntu on my uncle's machine06:56
spikebyou need faad06:56
Nigelenkiand when i tried to pick an apt source it recommended debian sources :P06:56
spikeband a plugin for whatever audio player06:56
Nigelenki(using dselect)06:56
WeedVenderok uh spike... I c code but what do I do?06:56
zenroxxmms has a plug in for mp4's06:56
WeedVenderdo i plug it in the sources list?06:57
crimsunI see http://www.algorithm.com.au/mt/archives/hacking/playing_ituness_m4a_files_in_xmms_on_debian_gnulinux.html. Neat. Thanks, zenrox & spikeb.06:57
spikebWeedVender, er, go to http://www.cuodan.net/~spike/ and download the sources.list, and put it in /etc/apt/06:57
spikebWeedVender, replacing the one you already have06:57
s1amsonzenny i thought i was new - im apparently "weathered"06:57
TheGorfHi everyone, I have a question about installing packages.  I need to install GTK+ (and some applications that rely on it) and was hoping to do it through Synaptic.  Though synatpic seems to not have it listed.  Someone suggested "apt-get" but I am not really familiar with Debian yet, so my attempts at that have failed as well.  Anyone have any suggestions?06:58
spikebi got some good repositories enabled in that config :)06:58
zenroxWeedVender,  you do sudo cp /your/location/for/this/file/sources.list /ect/apt/sources.list06:58
s1amsonthis is prolly the most helpful nix chan i ever been to06:58
spikebTheGorf, synaptic has it, it's libgtk1.206:58
zenroxs1amson,  thats wht ubuntu means06:58
nevynTheGorf: what applications that rely on gtk+ are you using?06:59
spikebTheGorf, install industrial for gtk1, too :)06:59
GentleHatemongerI heart Ubuntu!06:59
spikebthen it wont be so fugly06:59
zenroxlol @ GentleHatemonger06:59
TheGorfSpike and nevyn, one of the applications I am trying to install is BlueFish.  It says that I need GTK 2.0 or higher06:59
s1amsoni thought it was gonna make me a sex god06:59
WeedVenderthis is THE most helpfull nix chan ive been to...06:59
s1amsonyou mean... i wont get chix?06:59
spikebzenrox, run an upgrade on your system with my sources.list - you'll get firefox 1.0 and a couple other things07:00
zenroxspikeb, i allready have it07:00
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spikebzenrox, oh07:00
zenroxi am using hoary07:00
spikebzenrox, darn07:00
zenroxbut i see some other respories i need07:00
spikebTheGorf, are you compiling?07:00
s1amsonzen likes a challenge - like... he sometimes grows his hair out to tempt the bugs07:01
TheGorfI would prefer to install bre-built packages, though I am not opposed to buildign from source07:01
zenroxs1amson, shudup s1amson  before i slap you in to nxt week07:01
spikebTheGorf, well if you compile, you need the dev packages. if its a binary, it's being stupid because you already have gtk 2.0 or later installed07:01
TheGorfspikeb... that is interesting.07:01
s1amsoni perfer nxt week actually07:01
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spikebnext week is 200507:02
TheGorflet me try again and see what it says exactly07:02
spikebTheGorf, ok07:02
spikebbrb cig07:02
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s1amsonzen gimmeh teh # live eval is almose dun07:02
TheGorfspikeb, I saw that post about an updated sources.list, is that one you posted the link to different then the one that is installed?07:03
spikebTheGorf, yes - it has extra repositories in it07:04
spikebTheGorf, some backports (like a newer firefox), mono, java07:05
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jeff2how can I setup the filesystems LVM will use in the Ubuntu installer?07:05
WeedVenderwhats that website that showed you how to do everything.07:06
WeedVenderyou guys posted it before gnome crashed07:06
jeff2does the Ubuntu installer support installing to an LVM volume?07:07
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zenroxjeff2,  id asume so07:07
TheGorfYAHOO!  Thanks spikeb, that is the trick, it was looking for the -dev versions of the libraries.  Thanks07:08
jeff2zenrox: do you know how? I can't find anywhere in the installer where I can specify what filesystems and mountpoints to use within the LVM LV...07:09
zenroxin the partioner07:09
spikebTheGorf, you're welcome07:09
zenroxsme whare07:09
spikebWeedVender, ubuntuguide.org07:09
WeedVenderno im here...07:09
zenroxspikeb,  i allready gave it to him07:10
WeedVenderjust finished with the sources.list file07:10
WeedVenderok... now what07:10
WeedVenderapt-get update?07:10
WeedVenderah cool07:11
zenroxWeedVender,  your getting it slowly07:11
zenroxsoon you will be able to hlp people07:11
WeedVenderI know windows like the back of my hand.07:12
WeedVenderLinux is a different story07:12
zenroxyou'll learn linux is far serior to win07:12
jeff2zenrox: in the partitioner, you can only select Usage method: physical volume for LVM. Under "Configure LVM", you can only create LVs and VGs, and you can only specify the name. Is there a window or option I'm missing?07:12
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spikebi've been using linux as my main desktop OS so long now that i forget how things work in windows07:12
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zenroxjeff2,  i dont know any more than that07:13
WeedVenderI was just on Windows 2003 and I felt like booting back to linux because its so ehh..07:13
jeff2zenrox: ok thanks anyways07:13
spikebi am so used to GNOME that i can't stand anything else for any length of time07:13
zenroxjeff2,  ant least i pointed you in the right direction07:13
zenroxspikeb,  i am the same way07:13
WeedVenderE: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resources temprarily unavalable...)07:13
zenroxthats why i dont like KDE07:13
zenroxWeedVender,  close snyaptic07:14
spikebWeedVender, you cant have synaptic open while you use apt from the command line07:14
WeedVenderi c07:14
WeedVenderthanks, everything went off without a problem07:15
WeedVenderhow different is KDE from Gnome?07:15
zenroxkde = bloat07:15
spikebKDE looks different, behaves different, and is coded different07:16
WeedVendercan you get the terminal in gnome transparent like in KDE?07:16
zenroxWeedVender,  yes07:16
WeedVendercool, I will look it up.07:17
zenroxWeedVender,  all you gots to do is edit the profile and look for the option07:18
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WeedVenderit says schema..07:21
ArCHoNKoGanyone know how to get xmms working with wma song files07:21
WeedVenderwhich one do I choose...Background Darkness, Background Type...?07:21
spikebedit profiles, default, effects, transparent background07:22
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WeedVenderedit profiles eh? Don't see it07:26
zenroxspikeb,  whare is the hardware list07:26
spikebhardware list?07:26
WeedVendersystem config, device manager?07:26
WeedVenderto zenrox..07:26
spikebWeedVender, open a terminal - the in the edit menu, profiles07:26
spikebshould be there07:26
zenroxthe the supported07:26
spikeboh i dont know of a HCL07:27
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WeedVenderwhen it asks if I want to run a command as a login shell, what does it mean?07:28
spikebWeedVender, i have no idea07:29
spikebi left it at the default07:29
spikebim going to bed, take care07:29
WeedVenderid just click it anyway...07:29
WeedVenderok, thanks and c ya... take care.07:30
zenroxlist one07:31
zenroxthe supported hardware list07:31
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ZerabakaI need help getting k3b working. Can anyone help?07:32
WeedVenderIts after hours anyway...07:36
WeedVendersorry Zerabaka...07:36
WeedVenderIm a resident noob..07:36
GentleHatemongerhe left07:37
GentleHatemongerWeedVender: noobular07:37
WeedVendereh... didn't notice07:37
GentleHatemongerhow you doing?07:37
WeedVenderI'm doing fine. Just preparing some questions.07:38
WeedVenderlike every time I type ./configure for a directory, I get an error07:38
crimsunwhat error?07:38
WeedVenderit prevents me from using the "make" command07:39
WeedVenderlet me check07:39
crimsunsudo apt-get install build-essential07:39
crimsunrun that.07:39
WeedVenderdone it seems07:40
WeedVenderbut when i try to install Xmms07:40
Scorpomg Terminator 3 was a really good movie07:41
Scorpit's the only movie that didn't have a bull shit ending07:41
Scorpit's the truth07:41
Scorpno wonder it did poorly in theaters07:41
Scorpthe general public is too stupid for it07:42
WeedVenderno.. im just wondering how long has that movie been out07:42
Scorpthey are not ready yet07:42
ScorpI just saw it I know07:42
ScorpI thought it sucked and waited to see it on HBO07:42
WeedVenderit was acutally pretty good07:42
Scorpit was07:42
Scorpand the philosophy707:42
Scorpit all makes sense07:42
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WeedVenderyeah, MAD wouldn't work..07:42
WeedVendertotal nuclear histeria07:42
ScorpMAD isn't the point07:43
Scorpthe point is07:43
Scorpwe're building faster and better CPUs07:43
WeedVenderi know07:43
Scorpthe amount of data we can send from point a to point b is increasing very quickly07:43
Scorpand the software we write is getting exponentially more complex and therefore more bug ridden07:43
Scorphow long before someone writes a virus that will take advantage of our fast CPUs and fat lines07:44
Scorpto adept itself to everysystem and to intelligently find an exploit07:44
Scorpin all the shitty software out there07:44
Scorpsince all exploits are just a variation on 1 original exploit, that virus wouldn't even have to be terribly intelligent07:44
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Scorpwell not on 1 original07:44
ZotnixSadly, the Processor of the Future(tm) will be extremely small, but will need a nuclear reactor power supply to run and it's own 100,000 BTU Super Kool Kompact Cooling Unit.07:44
Scorpbut on a few basic concepts07:45
WeedVendereh... the advent of AI07:45
ScorpAnd I wanted to be a BME07:45
Scorphell no07:45
ScorpI'm going into CS07:45
GentleHatemongerI want some AI07:45
ScorpI'm going to rule the world07:45
Scorpmeh, that was my 2 minutes of crazines.. your turn07:45
GentleHatemongernot if I get there first07:45
ZotnixToo late, Bill Gates already filled that spot.07:45
WeedVenderno... there is a richer guy07:45
Zotnixyou'll have to wait until he croaks.. then defeat his horde of borgs07:45
GentleHatemongerI'm going into CS as well07:45
jeff2ok, I figured out how to create partitions in an LVM volume, however once I create a swap in the LV, the remaining 32.4 GB space shows up as "unusable". what is "unusable", and why is it unusable? My partition table is listed here: http://godmeira.notlong.com/ .. any help much appreciated07:45
GentleHatemongerthe Ikea guy?07:45
Scorpok question guys07:46
ZotnixMay not be the richest, but Bill Gates owns You07:46
Scorpis Johns Hopkins known for Computer Science ?07:46
WeedVenderthe Uni?07:46
GentleHatemongeris that where you're going?07:46
WeedVenderall the way, more specifically for medical research and technology...07:46
Scorpthe undergraduate school07:46
WeedVenderim talking about the one in boston.07:46
ScorpJohns Hopkins? it's in baltimore07:47
ScorpMIT is in boston I think07:47
GentleHatemongerI'm going to University of Illinois07:47
WeedVenderall this college stuff confuses me07:47
Scorpbut MIT is a crappy school -- fact...07:47
GentleHatemongernext year07:47
WeedVenderreally? What are you going to study?07:47
GentleHatemongerComputer Science07:47
ScorpGentleHatemonger: yeah I'm a senior this year too07:47
GentleHatemongerScorp: haha, nerd07:48
ScorpI'm going to study BioMedicalEngineering07:48
WeedVenderMIT is the cream of the crop..07:48
GentleHatemongerScorp: jk, where you go to school?07:48
WeedVenderGood field07:48
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GentleHatemongerI live in Aurora, Illinois - same place as Wayne's World07:48
GentleHatemongerI go to a special school07:48
Scorpa reason to be proud, indeed!07:48
GentleHatemongerwe have short buses07:48
Scorp"special" or actually special07:49
Scorpwith tinded windows?07:49
GentleHatemongernot sure07:49
GentleHatemongerI think07:49
Scorpare you special ED?07:49
Scorpor just regular lol07:49
GentleHatemongerIt's a school for nerds07:49
Scorpoh lucky07:49
GentleHatemongerIllinois Math and Science Academy07:49
da_bon_bonhi all07:49
GentleHatemongerblah, the girls aren't that attractive07:49
GentleHatemongerhi Mr. Bon Bon07:49
GentleHatemongerI love your snacks07:49
ScorpI'm guessing you're probably done with Calculus IV now lol?07:49
WeedVenderthe sacrifices one must make07:50
WeedVenderid wish I was in one of those schools.07:50
GentleHatemongerScorp: no, that doesn't exist, I just finished BC Calc 307:50
GentleHatemongerScorp: I might go into Multivariable next semester07:50
ScorpI'm struggling to start calc AB07:50
da_bon_bonhow do i non destructively repartition my hd ?07:50
Scorpand I'm a fucking engineer07:50
GentleHatemongerda_bon_bon: what do you want to do?07:50
Scorpnon-destructively? you got windows on that hdd?07:50
da_bon_bonGentleHatemonger: resize partitions to create space for installing distros.07:51
da_bon_bonScorp: yes vfat07:51
GentleHatemongerda_bon_bon: Partition Magic goodness07:51
Scorpthen partitionmagic will do the trick07:51
jeff2da_bon_bon: there are tools for resizing fat07:51
WeedVenderwhats the advantage of using Vfat instead of Fat 3207:51
Scorpless fat07:51
jeff2da_bon_bon: fips or qtparted as well, iirc07:51
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WeedVenderyou can also try Acronis Partition Expert07:51
WeedVendernice and easy..07:52
GentleHatemongerfatty fatty fat fat07:52
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da_bon_bonWeedVender: by default its vfat, ?07:52
da_bon_bonjeff2: qtparted gives me errors always.07:52
WeedVenderI have an NTFS Windows partion, a Ext3, and a FAT3207:52
zerathaI just did an upgrade and now the sound won't work. It can't seem to find the mixer or sound device. Can someone help please.07:52
Scorpso who wants to help me write an intelligent self aware virus? we'll GPL it and put it on sourceforge07:52
Scorpthen we take over the world07:53
Scorpactually we'll BSDL it07:53
WeedVenderIE is an excellent carrier07:53
ScorpGPL is for commies, although I should probably not say it in this channel07:53
GentleHatemongerI heart LGPL07:53
WeedVendertry IE, it spreads faster07:53
ScorpIE is to a computer virus like a hooker is to STDs07:53
Scorp"it's funny cause it's true"07:54
da_bon_bonso, any nice utility to do my job, except qtparted ?07:54
Scorppartition magic07:54
Scorpexcept it costs $07:54
GentleHatemongerpartition magic is nice07:54
WeedVenderAcronis Partition Expert07:54
Scorpif you catch my drift07:54
GentleHatemongerScorp, it just costs Bittorrent bandwidth07:54
jeff2da_bon_bon: whats wrong with qtparted?07:54
ScorpGentleHatemonger: that's what I was implying by "it costs $" I meant he was going to have to warez it one way or another lol07:55
Scorpbut I didn't want to actually suggest that07:55
zerathaI just did an upgrade and now the sound won't work. It can't seem to find the mixer or sound device. Can someone help please.07:55
WeedVenderok what is GGC?07:55
da_bon_bonjeff2: gives me errors of ped_filesysstem_call or osmething07:55
Scorppedaphile system call, common error07:55
WeedVenderg++ or something07:56
Scorpit's a compiler07:56
ScorpI think07:56
Scorpof sorts07:56
da_bon_bonthen what do i do ?07:56
jeff2zeratha: make sure you have the mixer and sound devices installed in your kernel07:56
jeff2WeedVender: if you mean gcc, officially, its the GNU Compiler Collection, commonly used to compile C, but also has backends for C++, Fortran, Java07:57
Scorpanyway, does anyone know of colleges that have co-ed dorm rooms07:57
WeedVenderdown here... in Dominican Republic...07:57
zerathajeff2, I'm pretty new to Ubuntu and debien. How do I be sure of that? I have an Audigy sound card.07:57
WeedVendereh. If you are looking for something local then I can't help you.07:58
Scorpwouldn't it be cool to live with a girl? (now I know I say this in a Linux chatroom but...)07:58
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nomasteryodaer, marry one.. you 'll soon learn it aint all its cracked up to be...07:59
WeedVenderI brb, Im going to mount a hard drive.07:59
WeedVenderyes... the best thing is to be single and a student..07:59
Scorpyou should talk07:59
nomasteryodaoh so true07:59
WeedVenderPMS strikes often in a month.07:59
Scorpyou're mounting harddrives07:59
Scorptry mounting something softer07:59
Scorpthank you thank you, try the veal08:00
GentleHatemongerWeedVender: don't be single08:00
WeedVenderhard drives are cool... they can keep you warm at night.08:00
nomasteryodazeratha, try sudo lspci in a terminal08:00
nomasteryodathere are other methods more direct.... but'm sleepy08:01
GentleHatemongerWeedVender: so do the foxy ladies08:01
GentleHatemongerWeedVender: that come with the hard drives08:01
zerathanomasteryoda, 0000:01:01.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 03)08:01
zerathait sees it08:01
nomasteryodasounds good to me08:01
zerathaok, and...08:02
WeedVenderno but I don't see any reason why to get a girl now... too much work08:02
WeedVenderplus... nothing wastes more $$$ than a girl.08:02
nomasteryodayou betcha!08:02
Scorpuhh yeah08:03
GentleHatemongerWeedVender: I haven't spent a dime on my girlfriend08:03
WeedVenderi tried that command.08:03
ScorpGentleHatemonger is she open source?08:03
WeedVenderit says I have an ISA bridge.08:03
GentleHatemongerScorp: she's no whore08:03
nomasteryodashare and share alike.08:03
zerathais this a linux support chat or a bitchin session about women of which I am one?08:04
nomasteryodanah, she's bittorrent08:04
Nigelenkieww women  o.o08:04
GentleHatemongerzeratha: I'm not bitching about women08:04
Scorpmen don't bitch about women08:04
Nigelenkimen ar ebetter08:04
WeedVenderim not doing anything offensive.08:04
Scorpwe discuss08:04
GentleHatemongerwomen are awesome08:04
WeedVenderjust saying the truth.08:04
zerathaI agree08:04
NigelenkiI'd rather discuss men  o.o08:04
GentleHatemongerthat and and squishy08:04
GentleHatemongerone and08:04
Scorpmy woman needs a reboot08:04
GentleHatemongerdon't kick your woman08:04
zerathaI really want to listen to music, but the fuckin sound device isnt working!08:04
WeedVendervolume on?08:05
GentleHatemongerzeratha: anything I can help with?08:05
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nomasteryodazeratha, did you do a alsamixer08:05
WeedVendermorning is right! look at the time08:05
GentleHatemongerit's night where I am08:05
nomasteryodain terminal?08:05
nomasteryoda2am almost here08:05
GentleHatemonger9:05 in Hawaii08:05
Scorpyou're in hawaii?08:05
WeedVenderbrb... reboot, back to dreaded Windows08:06
nomasteryodasome fool of a skyper woke me up08:06
WeedVenderim in the carribean... 2.0608:06
Fator_DeeGentleHatemonger: then it's obvious that you're in the wrong place :-)08:06
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GentleHatemongerMy parents live in Hawaii, I'm visiting them08:06
Scorplucky lucky people08:06
zerathanomasteryoda, Yup and it is showing volume levels. It's the gnome mixer that doesn't work.08:06
GentleHatemongernot luck08:06
Scorplol jk08:06
nomasteryodawhat app are you trying to play music with?08:07
Scorpis it me or does hawaii weather make people unusually hot?08:07
Scorpas in wanting to umm...08:07
GentleHatemongerhot girls are hot08:07
Scorpyou know08:07
Scorpno not make them look hot08:08
Scorpbut put them into a "rut"08:08
zerathanomasteryoda, It's the volume control applet that doesn't work08:08
nomasteryodaok i c08:08
GentleHatemongerScorp: I dunno, I guess08:08
GentleHatemongerit's the rainy season now08:08
Scorpdo people still walk around in bikinis ?08:08
nomasteryodathat is odd... oh, wait...08:08
nomasteryodai had  an audigy prob with my suse box08:08
nomasteryoda... the analog port was on when it needed to be off..08:09
GentleHatemongerScorp: on the beach08:09
nomasteryodafallin asleep ...08:09
zerathaok, and how do I disable that08:09
GentleHatemongersleep is for the weak!08:09
nomasteryodasomeone help zeratha08:09
ScorpGentleHatemonger: rawwr08:09
Scorplol sorry08:09
Scorpwhere in hawaii are you?08:09
nomasteryodai know somebody knows the answer..08:09
GentleHatemongerIn Honolulu08:09
GentleHatemongerzeratha: is it in alsamixer?08:10
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zerathaIs what?08:10
ScorpGentleHatemonger: all I can say is that you're a lucky man08:10
GentleHatemongerthe analog thing08:10
GentleHatemongerScorp: how so?08:10
ScorpGentleHatemonger: you're in hawaii08:11
Fator_Deebun in havaii there's no snow :-(08:11
zerathaGentleHatemonger, yes and it is enabled but all the way down.08:11
nomasteryodaGentleHatemonger, zeratha .. near the righthand side of the alsamixer ... i had to mute using the m key..i think that was it08:12
nomasteryodabeen quite a while thou08:12
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GentleHatemongerzeratha: mute it08:12
GentleHatemongerScorp: Hawaii's not that great08:12
zerathaI am using the ncurses based alsamixer and the M key is doing nothing08:12
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GentleHatemongerzeratha: *tear*08:14
WeedVenderwhat happened?08:14
GentleHatemongerWeedVender: you missed the coolest thing08:14
zerathaWow, this whole community support thing works well..... :-(08:15
WeedVenderdon't get discouraged.08:15
zerathatoo late.08:15
nomasteryodamute the SB live at the far right... if you have that opton08:15
WeedVenderits late and most of the people who help out are sleepy08:15
WeedVenderor sleeping.08:15
zerathaHow do I mute?08:15
nomasteryodamine is labeled SB live  Analog/digital output jack08:16
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nomasteryodain the curses mode just arrow over to it and  use the M key.. that does it for me08:16
nomasteryodahad to ssh into the box that i know has one of those cards08:17
zerathanomasteryoda, well this sucks because it does not work for me.... :-(08:17
nomasteryodalooking on google.08:19
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nomasteryodazeratha, are the sound modules loaded08:22
nomasteryodalsmod | grep snd_08:23
zerathaYes, about five or so it seems. Here is a list of the modules:08:23
nomasteryodathere are lots of then08:23
zerathasnd_emu10k1            80776  108:23
zerathasnd_rawmidi            23232  1 snd_emu10k108:23
zerathasnd_pcm_oss            48168  008:23
zerathasnd_mixer_oss          16640  1 snd_pcm_oss08:23
zerathasnd_pcm                85540  2 snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm_oss08:23
zerathasnd_timer              23172  1 snd_pcm08:23
zerathasnd_seq_device          7944  2 snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi08:23
zerathasnd_ac97_codec         59268  1 snd_emu10k108:23
zerathasnd_page_alloc         11144  2 snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm08:24
zerathasnd_util_mem            4608  1 snd_emu10k108:24
zerathasnd_hwdep               9120  1 snd_emu10k108:24
zerathasnd                    50660  12 snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_seq_device,snd_ac97_codec,snd_util_mem,snd_hwdep08:24
zerathasoundcore               9824  1 snd08:24
zerathaAnything missing?08:24
nomasteryodanope that all looks ok08:24
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tallgeeseiiiihello, anyone talking tonight?08:25
zerathaWell, I'm tired and horny so I have to go please myself. Thanks anyhow.08:25
GentleHatemongerI'm back from pleasing myself08:25
nomasteryodado a google zeratha08:25
zenroxme too08:25
zerathaGentleHatemonger, again?08:25
GentleHatemongerzeratha: this is the first time in a few hours08:25
zerathayou must be young!08:25
GentleHatemongerI feel so old08:26
zenroxno i feel old08:26
tallgeeseiiiihey, i'm just switching over to linux for the first time after watching my friend use ubuntu, he gave me the install cd, i got a new 120 gig hd for christmas and i wanted to set up a dual operating system with xp and ubuntu but the install failed on the new drive08:26
nomasteryodahehe, is this the eharmony network or what08:26
zerathaoh, well that explains that, and I could get arrested talking to you about adult subject matter. Have a good night....08:26
GentleHatemongertallgeeseiiii: what happened?08:26
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WeedVenderthe kernel does not support fat3208:27
GentleHatemongerit doesn't?08:27
zenroxit does08:27
nomasteryodatallgeeseiiii, did you install winders on it first08:27
WeedVenderroot@Jiraiya:/home/jiraiya # mount -a08:27
WeedVendermount: fs type fat32 not supported by kernel08:27
WeedVenderroot@Jiraiya:/home/jiraiya #08:27
zenroxit has to08:27
GentleHatemongeroh, vfat08:27
tallgeeseiiiiwell, the drive wasn't formatted for windows yet or anything but i created a new partition like it asked then proceeded installing linux then the install failed at about 70 something percent saying the kernel coul not be installed08:27
GentleHatemongernot fat3208:27
GentleHatemongeruse "vfat"08:27
zenroxfat32 = vfat08:27
GentleHatemongertallgeeseiiii: your CD was scratched08:27
GentleHatemongertallgeeseiiii: or dirty08:27
nomasteryodaGentleHatemonger, or jsut a  bad burn08:28
WeedVenderdoesn't the cd use high compression?08:28
nomasteryodait does happen08:28
GentleHatemongerI think there isn't any compression08:28
GentleHatemongerit's just plain debs08:28
tallgeeseiiiiit's an official cd and it's clean and not scratched... hmm, is there anything else that could have caused it?08:28
GentleHatemongernot squashfs or anything08:28
GentleHatemongeruse soap and water08:28
WeedVendera lot of cds can bend rendering them unusable08:29
WeedVenderyeah what?08:29
tallgeeseiiiithat could have happened, i dunno what my friend may have put it through08:29
WeedVenderwhen he gave it to you, did you put it in a case?08:29
tallgeeseiiiiyeah, i have the standard ubuntu case with the logo and live and install cd's08:30
WeedVenderyou are saying that it doesn't install?08:30
tallgeeseiiiibasically, it said the kernel couldn't be written to the hard disk08:31
tallgeeseiiiithen it aborted itself and started over08:31
WeedVenderhow big was the partition?08:31
GentleHatemongeryou should "Test Media"08:31
tallgeeseiiii120 gigs, lol08:31
tallgeeseiiiitest media?08:31
WeedVendermy first installation had to retry 3 times08:31
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GentleHatemongeron the CD, you can check the media to see if it's right08:32
tallgeeseiiiiah, guess i'll retry then, i have some time tonight08:32
GentleHatemongerWeedVender: I messed up on kernel, then I popped it out and cleaned it - it worked then08:32
WeedVenderYES, drive mounted.08:32
WeedVenderthe thing just froze on my like 2-3 times08:32
WeedVenderhad my fingers crossed last time08:33
tallgeeseiiiihah, oh well, thx guys08:33
tallgeeseiiiino doubt i'll be back eventually08:33
WeedVenderI have an MP3 on a shared drive from a windows partition08:33
WeedVendertotem cannot play it, so cant music player08:33
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WeedVenderhow can I install Xmms?08:34
GentleHatemongerWeedVender: hang on08:34
WeedVenderi got it uncompressed on the desktop08:34
cornflakeWebMaven_away: apt-get install xmms ?08:34
WeedVenderthat was surprisingly simple08:34
WeedVenderI love this sh*T!08:35
GentleHatemongerWeedVender: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad08:35
WeedVenderwhat about video playback?08:35
GentleHatemongerthat'll let you play mp3s in rhythmbox and totem08:35
cornflakeWeedVender: yeah... debian based distros are pretty kewl...08:35
WeedVenderhld, terminal is running.08:35
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GentleHatemongerI call Ubuntu a bisexual08:36
GentleHatemongerit loves _everybody_08:36
WeedVenderhow hard is debian though?08:36
GentleHatemongernot horribl08:36
cornflakeKernel: Linux | Distro: Debian/GNU 3.1 | CPU: Celeron (Coppermine) @ 998 Mhz | Mem usage: 502.8/631.4 MB (80%) | Swap usage: 354.5/488.7 MB (73%) | Disk usage(WDC WD400BB-00DEA0): 13.5/36.2 GB (37%) | Uptime: 1 wk 8 hrs 20 mins 53 secs08:36
GentleHatemongerit was what I used before Ubuntu08:36
GentleHatemongerUbuntu's just so much easier08:36
calcdebian is more or less than without the fast release cycle08:36
zenroxSysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.9-1-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 1992.963 MHz Bogomips: 3948.54 Mem: 245/497M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 36.86G Free: 31.46G Procs: 102 Uptime: 3 hrs 46 mins 48 secs Load: 2.41 2.27 1.80  Screen: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 (24 bpp) eth0: In: 355.68M Out: 20.93M08:37
fabbioneSTOP flooding the channel08:37
WeedVenderthanks guys08:37
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WeedVenderare you the mod, fabbione?08:37
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fabbioneWeedVender: if i want to..08:37
WeedVendergood to know..08:37
zenroxsorry thats habbit if i see system info my fingers type really fast with out my controle08:38
calczenrox: break your fingers then the problem is solved :)08:38
cornflakecalc: who are the ircops on this channel?08:38
zenroxcalc ok08:39
fabbionethere are several08:39
calccornflake: not sure, but anyone can get hold of them :)08:39
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WeedVender*zenrox should be in agony right now08:39
calcthere are 11 people with op or higher chanserv access08:40
zenroxcant hurt any worse than a tattoo08:40
calcplus probably other people with real ircop access08:40
WeedVenderbite a bullet08:40
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rviraniare there any softwares for playing DVDs in Linux, I really dont want to reboot :P08:40
WeedVenderok...totem is now working.08:41
calcrvirani: totem-xine will with libdvdcss08:41
zenroxrvirani,  yes its called gxine08:41
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GentleHatemongerrvirani: yep08:42
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zenroxxine is the best dvd player that i have seen08:42
GentleHatemonger(in it's special area)08:42
cornflakehow many of u guys use debian-unstable branch instead?08:42
GentleHatemongerI used to when I used Debian08:42
cornflakeGentleHatemonger: u use the ubuntu branch?08:42
zenroxcornflake,  ubuntu uses the debian-unstable branch08:42
cornflakezenrox: i see08:43
zenroxcornflake,  thay take a snapshot then fix the probs then release it08:43
cornflakezenrox: i see08:43
zenroxi am using hoary witch is the devel ver of ubuntu08:43
calci've used debian for over 6 years, but running ubuntu right now08:43
cornflakezenrox: i see.... my box is practically debian now even though the install was ubuntu08:44
GentleHatemongercornflake: alright, why?08:44
zenroxcornflake, yep08:44
WeedVendersay I want to install a p2p program, what would I have to do.08:44
WeedVenderactually what is the best one?08:45
GentleHatemongerWeedVender: bittorrent08:45
zenroxread the ubuntuguide.org08:45
WeedVendersuprnova is dead08:45
zenroxWeedVender,  not the other ones08:45
jiyuu0WeedVender, limewire amule08:45
GentleHatemongerGod bless decentralization08:45
WeedVendergood bad?08:45
cornflakeGentleHatemonger: cuz i kept upgrading on the debian-unstable branch until all of the ubuntu remnants were gone08:45
rviranihow do I get the dvd plugin08:45
GentleHatemongercornflake: lol, but why not just stick wit h08:45
calcits still easy enough to find bt links if you know where to look08:45
cornflakeWeedVender: i prefer apollon, a front-end of gift08:46
rviranithere are a number of packages synaptic comes up with08:46
zenroxrvirani,  search for libdvdcss08:46
zenroxrvirani,  then xine08:46
cornflakeGentleHatemonger: cuz it wasn't as current as i wanted08:46
GentleHatemongerrvirani: you need another repository08:46
WeedVenderok.. so how would I go about installing applon?08:46
rviraninothing about dvd08:46
rviraniGentleHatemonger, I have all of them08:46
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WeedVenderor how ever its speled08:47
GentleHatemongerrvirani: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main08:47
zenroxrvirani,  have you installed xine08:47
GentleHatemongerrvirani: deb http://apt.cerkinfo.be/ unstable main contrib non-free08:47
GentleHatemongerrvirani: deb-src http://apt.cerkinfo.be/ unstable main contrib non-free08:47
rviranizenrox, gxine08:48
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rviraniGentleHatemonger, ok08:48
WeedVenderwhat are repositories?08:48
rviraniall of those08:48
rviranithats alot08:48
GentleHatemongermultimedia repositories08:48
GentleHatemonger(Illegal in America)08:48
GentleHatemongercapitalist dogs08:48
WeedVenderwhat is?08:48
zenroxhay i resent that08:48
GentleHatemongerdvd's are illegal to run on Linux in America08:48
cornflakeWeedVender: umm.... try apt-get install apollon08:49
rviranihow do I add these08:49
zenroxya but that ant going to stop me08:49
GentleHatemongerzenrox: why, are you Capitalist or American?08:49
cornflakeGentleHatemonger: really?08:49
zenroxGentleHatemonger,  bolth08:49
vegaiyes, better just download divxs instead of buying DVDs08:49
vegaisince you'll be breaking the law anyway ;)08:49
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WeedVenderxmms is running and I ran it from terminal.08:49
cornflakewho gives a fuck about copyright ;)08:49
rviraniGentleHatemonger, how do I add the repsositroeoes08:49
WeedVenderi dont want to turn xmms but I want to free up terminal08:50
GentleHatemongerrvirani: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list08:50
cornflakeGentleHatemonger: vi is better :P08:50
WeedVenderhow does one free up terminal?08:50
GentleHatemongerWeedVender: Ctrl-Z, bg08:50
WeedVenderxmms stoped08:50
GentleHatemongertype `bg`08:50
GentleHatemongerand enter08:51
WeedVendereh..  just found out08:51
GentleHatemongerit's sexy, eh?08:51
WeedVender....looks a lot like something... *wonders08:51
GentleHatemongerWell, I'm gonna play Warcraft 308:51
cornflakeGentleHatemonger: on linux?08:52
GentleHatemongercornflake: of course08:52
cornflakeGentleHatemonger: u have cedega?08:52
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WeedVenderthere a linux version?08:52
zenroxcedega = wine = windows emulator08:53
WeedVenderwhy do i still have windows?08:53
nevynWeedVender: it works under cedega08:53
crimsunthere isn't a linux version of W308:53
WeedVenderso I can run windows programs through there?08:53
calcthere isn't a linux version of anything from that !*%! company08:53
zenrox30% of the time08:53
calcand they sue floss developers08:53
crimsuncalc: you must infiltrate them kthx08:54
nevyncalc: that's why much as I love warcraft and starcraft I won't buy or play them.08:54
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Fator_Deesome are08:55
calcprobably once they can figure out how to keep them from breaking after a few months08:55
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WeedVenderI g2g, thanks everyone08:58
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rviranianyone know of a DVD player that doesnt seg fault?09:00
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TheMusorvirani: What are you currently using/09:02
rviranigxine with libdvdcss209:02
TheMusoHave you tried totem with the xine backend?09:03
TheMusoThat seems to work fine for me.09:03
TheMusoI tried gxine too, with the same problem, program crashed a short way into the DVD.09:03
rviraniTheMuso, well the dvd starts playing and then cras out and I get a nice segfault09:03
TheMusoTotem sometimes gives me blue screen for some weird reason, but can play DVDs with no problem.09:04
calctotem-xine works fine for me09:04
TheMusoAnd if you have the DVD autoplay turned on in removable storage, you only have to insert your DVD and set to full screen and you are away.09:05
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Smirkeron a clean installation i get:  GDM: Xserver not found: /user/X11R6/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xaith -nolisten tcp vt709:13
Smirkerhow would i go about fixing this?09:13
GoneBoBwhat video car09:15
SmirkerRADEON 700009:15
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JayeI have ubuntu installed on a partition.09:19
Jayeand I just put windows on a different partition.09:19
Jayebut now I don't know how to get back into ubuntu.09:19
GoneBoBJaye: you'll need to boot off the install CD and fix the bootloader09:19
GoneBoBwindows has eaten your bootloader09:20
Jayewill that cause me to lose any data from any hd's?09:20
JayeWhat do I type when I boot from the install cd?09:20
Jayeit'll come up with boot:09:20
Jayeand if I hit enter it will start to install.09:20
GoneBoBthere should be a faq or something like that09:21
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JayeI'll lok for lilo09:22
GoneBoBubuntu uses grub09:22
JayeDoes it have to be grub?09:23
GoneBoBwell no, but it uses grub09:23
JayeIt's all the same to me09:23
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JayeHow long have you used linux?09:23
WeedVende15 hours09:23
WeedVende1eh.. why is my name misspeled?09:24
zenrox6 years off and on09:24
GoneBoB7 years09:24
JayeI've been on it for 2 days.09:24
Jayebut only had a version installed for about 13 hours09:24
zenroxGoneBoB,  first linux distro??09:24
JayeIt's so hard09:24
Jayebut I think it'll be worth it.09:24
WeedVende1anyway, what was that command to free up terminal?09:24
JayeI hope09:24
zenroxmine was rh 7.209:24
ryani've used linux for about 5 years or so09:25
GoneBoBzenrox: slackware .. old slackware09:25
ryanbut i'm mostly a bsd guy now09:25
WeedVende1ctrl - z, ?09:25
GoneBoBabotu the era of RH 409:25
Jayedo you guys have any decent linux games?09:25
zenroxWeedVende1, ctrl+c09:25
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WeedVende1to free up terminal?09:25
WeedVende1why is my name misspelled?09:25
zenroxJaye i play nwn on nix09:25
zenroxWeedVende1,  yoo spelt it wrong09:26
zenroxneverwinter nights09:26
Fator_DeeSavage is good too09:26
zenroxits a win game that has a linux installer09:26
JayeAeotivThat's on nix?09:26
WeedVende1xmms is out09:27
WeedVende1but its not responding.09:27
WeedVende1I press ctrl - z09:27
JayeAeotivI wonder if baulder's gate would work on nix.09:27
WeedVende1*closed terminal09:27
Fator_Deebg2 works with cedega09:27
JayeAeotivWhat's with always having to download sources and compile things with linux?09:27
zenroxWeedVende1,  ya press crtl =c that will break it and then you can restart it09:27
zenroxctrl +c = sopt curent running program09:28
JayeAeotivDon't be understand the concept of releasing things in a nice, concise, easy to run package for morons like me?09:28
GoneBoBWeedVende1: type 'bg'09:28
GoneBoBctrl-z suspends the current task09:28
GoneBoBrunning 'bg' backgrounds the task09:28
GoneBoBso it still runs09:28
GoneBoByou can also run xmms &09:28
GoneBoBwhich will start it backgrounded09:28
zenroxso does putting & at the end of the program name09:29
zenroxthen you can close the terminal09:29
GoneBoByes, that's what I just said :)09:29
zenroxi just read that09:29
GoneBoBbetter off to exit the terminals also by typing 'exit'09:29
GoneBoBor pressing ctrl-d at a prompt09:29
zenroxthats a new one i dint know09:30
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AmaranthJayeAeotiv: Err, you're in #ubuntu, the distro with the best package manager ever.09:30
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Emanuelezhello *09:30
Amaranthif you don't exit the terminal with 'exit' then anything backgrounded from it will die with it09:30
GoneBoBrunning 'jobs' at a prompt tells you what backgrounded jobs you have running09:30
GoneBoB'fg' foregrounds the task09:31
JayeAeotivI don't have a cvs client.09:31
WeedVende1say I download a package from the net09:31
JayeAeotivI hate cvs, it's the devil.09:31
alka_trashGoneBoB: say you want to put a job in the bg but don't want it to suspend09:31
GoneBoBalka_trash: ctrl-z suspends, bg backgrounds09:32
EmanuelezJayeAeotiv: what's wrong with cvs? :)09:32
GoneBoBso if you don't want it suspended, run bg09:32
WeedVende1I have a package on my desktop, I uncompress it.09:32
WeedVende1now what?09:32
WeedVende1what do I do in terminal to install a program without using the apt-get command?09:33
alka_trashGoneBoB: do you know if there is a way to put process in the background without suspending it?09:33
GoneBoBAlohaWolf: if you run it with & it's put straight into the background09:34
GoneBoBwithout being suspended09:34
JayeAeotivEman, well one... I don't want source code for junk.  two I hate fixing conflicts when I actually use a cvs.  three all the cvs clients are ugly.09:34
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JayeAeotivdamn why can't I find binaries for anything09:37
GoneBoBlike what?09:38
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JayeAeotivwindows hasn't been installed for more than 20 minutes and IE is already not responding09:38
GoneBoByou mean like apt-get install grub ?09:38
GoneBoBwhat are you trying to acheive09:39
zenroxGoneBoB, to fix his mbr09:39
JayeAeotivIf I could get into linux to do that I wouldn't need grub.09:39
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JayeAeotivZenrox is right on the money.09:39
GoneBoBwhat you need to do is use the install CD09:39
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GoneBoBto boot from09:39
GoneBoBinto your current install09:39
JayeAeotivBut what do I do from there?09:39
JayeAeotivit'll say boot:09:40
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JayeAeotivI don't know anything about these command prompts yet.09:40
GoneBoBtry running linux root=/dev/hdaX09:40
GoneBoBwhere hdaX is your linux install partition09:40
john_douglasweirdest problem... my laptop is suppose to run at 1280x800 (it's wide screen) and xorg runs at 1280x800. The problem is that the 1280x800 is forced into a 1042x860 "window" :-/09:40
JayeAeotivI'll be back and keep you updated.09:40
sbdotwhere should i go for questions about gnoppix?09:40
sbdotnewbie questions at that09:41
JayeAeotivI learned very quickly that going into the distro's irc channel helps.09:41
AlohaWolfanyone in here use Live Journal?09:41
zenroxthere webpage09:41
JayeAeotivaloha, I used to... but I decided I don't want people reading about me.09:41
sbdoti'm the only one in #gnoppix at the moment09:41
WeedVende1I use it, why?09:41
JayeAeotivtry #knoppix09:42
AlohaWolfJayeAeotiv, I never post much09:42
zenroxsbdot,  try there webpage09:42
sbdottheir webpage points me to ubuntu's help page09:42
AlohaWolfI use it to keep track of everyone else09:42
WeedVende1I find it boring sometimes09:42
JayeAeotivWell I'm rebooting and hopefully I'll be in linux this time.09:42
sbdotwhich does not answer my main q: how do I install gnoppix to my HD?09:42
JayeAeotivGod I am so going to get a linux book from the library tomorrow09:42
JayeAeotivsbdot, is it a livecd?09:43
sbdotyep, livecd09:43
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sbdoti'm running it now09:43
JayeAeotivGet something that's designed for the hd.  I tried to get knoppix onto my hd but then decided to get something meant for it.09:43
zenroxsbdot,  ask that question in #knoppix09:43
JayeAeotivi'll be back09:44
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sbdotwould it work the same way as in knoppix?09:44
zenroxtechnaly yes09:44
zenroxyour just using gnome insted of kde09:44
WeedVende1what is knoppix?09:45
Heisenberghi guys: running warthog, I have just updated my kernel image to, but no it refuses to start Xwindows. any ideas why?09:45
zenroxWeedVende1, knoppix is a linux repair cd and live cd of linux09:45
zenroxknoppix can fix broken windows boxxes as well as *nix09:45
WeedVende1i might use that if I still have windows...09:46
zenroxHeisenberg,  i cant help you09:46
WeedVende1eh.. one more thing before I go09:46
Heisenbergjust weird...09:46
zenroxHeisenberg,  ya09:46
zenroxtry reinstall xwindows09:46
WeedVende1I downloaded appolo09:47
WeedVende1or what ever its called09:47
WeedVende1when I run it, terminal is flooded with error09:47
WeedVende1and it said I need ftp or something like that09:47
zenroxwhat error09:47
WeedVende1I couldn't get the name of the program, it said that It couldn't find Icons.09:47
zenroxWeedVende1, do a sudo apt-get install ftp09:48
zenroxcant find icons ignoe that error09:48
WeedVende1thanks to spike, I already have the latest version09:48
zenroxthats a comon error and the program shold start09:48
sbdotit doesn't look like there are any live ppl in #knoppix09:48
WeedVende1whats the proper spelling again of appolo thingy?09:49
zenroxsbdot, its almost 1 am here so thare probly wont be many ppl on09:49
zenroxWeedVende1,  i cant help you09:49
zenroxWeedVende1, casue i just cant spell09:49
WeedVende1oh thats funny09:49
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JayeAeotivno dice09:49
WeedVende1is there a log file I can access?09:50
JayeAeotivI tried root=hda1 root=/dev/hda1 root=dev/hda109:50
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WeedVende1jaye, whats ur problem?09:50
sbdotzenrox - have you tried installing gnoppix livecd to HD, or could you point me to a simple HOWTO. i'm not having much luck09:50
zenroxJayeAeotiv,  is that whare your ubuntu is installed09:50
sbdotall i get when doing the search is responses from other ppl looking for instructions on how to do it09:50
JayeAeotiv1st partition on that drive.09:50
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zenroxsbdot no i hanve ever installed it and google for a howto09:51
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zenroxJayeAeotiv,  it shold me linux root=/dev/hda109:51
sbdotzenrox - i just mentioned that i have been googling for it09:51
sbdotnever mind09:51
JayeAeotivI treid that one09:51
JayeAeotivlinux root=/dev/hda1  I tried many variations09:52
zenroxJayeAeotiv,  with the linux infount09:52
JayeAeotivif my screwing around with the windows partition screwed up that other partition I'ma be so so pissed09:52
WeedVende1I g2g...09:52
zenroxmight have09:52
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zenroxJayeAeotiv,  look in your windows partion manger and see if all the partions are thare09:53
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JayeAeotivwindows has a partition manager?09:53
zenroxwindows will still show linux partions but thay wont show up in your my computer09:53
JayeAeotivI thought I had to boot off a disk and use fdisk.09:53
zenroxJayeAeotiv,  your running xp right09:53
zenroxthats why09:54
JayeAeotivI can't afford XP09:54
zenroxxp has a built in partioner09:54
zenroxnote : not ver powerfull tho09:54
JayeAeotivIf I boot off a live cd09:55
JayeAeotivI could mount the drive09:55
JayeAeotivand see if it still has stuff in it09:55
JayeAeotivI'm off to do that.09:55
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WeedVende1back again09:56
WeedVende1annoying ain't it?09:56
WeedVende1Where are all my program files located?09:56
WeedVende1or am I thinking too much into Windows?09:57
zenroxgenerlly in /usr/bin for the excutables and /usr/lib for the support files09:57
zenroxand /usr/share for the shaid files09:58
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JayeAeotivyeah it's definately hda110:00
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JayeAeotivKnoppix mounted all of my drives and partitions automatically10:00
zenroxJayeAeotiv,  hmm it just whent be yond my help10:00
JayeAeotivand there's definately files on the drive too10:00
JayeAeotivif it were broken... it probably wouldn't mount.  right?10:01
JayeAeotivor be browseable10:01
WeedVende1zenrox: apollon10:01
JayeAeotivCan I instal grub from the livecd I wonder.10:01
zenroxJayeAeotiv,  ya but your mbr is fucked10:01
zenroxJayeAeotiv,  no10:01
zenroxJayeAeotiv,  you might but i dont know how10:01
WeedVende1looks like I need gift10:01
JayeAeotivHow is my mbr fucked?10:02
JayeAeotivI don't understand.10:02
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zenroxwin over writed the mbr with its own start up soft10:02
JayeAeotivcan't I overwrite it again?10:02
WeedVende1what are you trying to do?10:02
zenroxerasing your grub boot loader10:02
JayeAeotivGet a boot loader back10:03
zenroxJayeAeotiv, thats why you need to reinstall grub10:03
JayeAeotivSo, how could I do that from a live cd?10:03
JayeAeotivor from windows10:03
WeedVende1root@Jiraiya:/home/jiraiya # ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 6306, errno = 010:03
zenroxJayeAeotiv,  dont know10:04
zenroxlike i said JayeAeotiv  its beyond my help10:04
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zenroxwelp i am off to bed10:06
zenroxnight all10:07
JayeAeotivdoes the boot have to be from the ubuntu cd?10:07
JayeAeotivwhere I would type linux root=whatever10:07
WeedVende1good night and thanks10:07
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JayeAeotivI'm in a grub console at the moment.10:13
JayeAeotivbut I think it ran from the cd10:13
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john_douglasHi, I've got a problem with my laptop, the WXGA screen doesn't display in widescreen. About 1/3 of the screen is black :-/ It's the Compaq R3240CA10:21
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dudhmm, why cant grip read my cdrom?10:51
dudi have two... i dont think it can seperate between them10:51
dudsound juicer can, but that cant find my mp3 encoders10:51
dudnor does it have quality settings10:51
dudyou can set the cdrom mount point in grip, but im not sure i do it correctly10:52
dudas somehow, 'ls /' shows it as /cdrom10:52
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dudbut its called /cdrom0 and /cdrom1 really i think10:52
dudbut none of that works in grip...10:52
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CiSnEr0sHi! everybody!, anyone speak spanish ?10:53
crimsunCiSnEr0s: #ubuntu-es10:54
CiSnEr0ssorry... because my english it's so bad... very very bad :D10:54
CiSnEr0sok.. thanks!10:54
dudcrimsun, you wouldnt happen to have any ideas about this whole grip issue?10:56
crimsungive me a sec to scroll up; I've had this buffer detached10:56
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dudcrimsun, it seems that ripperx does the job11:00
dudso many different applications for *nix11:00
dudsometimes even the most experienced user can get a headache from it11:01
crimsundud: /media/cdrom0 or /media/cdrom1 ?11:01
dudlets see11:02
dudthat might be it11:02
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dudlet me try another disc11:04
dudthis prolly over complexifies things, being a dual data/audio cd11:04
dudall this cdrom stuff in linux has always been such a bother for me11:05
dudbut its not so bad on ubuntu, ill admit11:06
dudbut it sometimes happen that eject doesnt work11:06
dudusually when another application umounts it, and nautilus cant seem to catch that11:06
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duddud@shadowplay:~ $ mount /cdrom11:08
duddud@shadowplay:~ $ eject11:08
dudeject: unable to eject, last error: Ugyldig argument11:08
crimsundud: what do /dev/cdrom* point to?11:08
dudugyldig argument = invalud argument11:08
dudinvalid even11:09
dudum, crimsun, there is no such file11:11
dudonly hdc and hdd11:11
crimsunyou could use /dev/hdc and/or /dev/hdd11:11
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dudbut then again, fstab seems to be sane11:12
dud/dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       011:12
dud/dev/hdd        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       011:12
dudlooking good there11:12
dudbtw, is it *really* nessesary for ubuntu to create like 100 ptty nodes and 100 tty nodes?11:12
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dudwhat sort of massive grade scaling is that?11:12
FriczyJosephus: hi :)11:13
Josephusyo Friczy11:13
Josephuswanna help me? :)11:13
crimsundud: depends on the number defined in-kernel11:13
FriczyJosephus: to you? never :D11:13
dudah, wonderful /dev/hdc worked :D11:13
crimsun(in the source, modifiable in kernel config)11:13
dudthanks a bunch11:13
dudcrimsun, i see11:13
crimsunnow I'm off to bed.11:14
Josephusmy problem is with cpu freq scaling11:14
Josephuscat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies11:14
Josephusi got only 600000khz for the minimum11:14
Josephushow can i make it smaller?11:15
Josephusecho in to it does not work11:15
Josephus(permission error)11:15
dudim not very sure if its wise to echo something into the /sys/* stuff11:16
Josephusany other way?11:16
dudi dunno, ive never owned a laptop myself11:17
dudisnt there any options under the System stuff on your gnome panel?11:17
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Josephusdud: guess not11:22
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dudanyone know how video capture/tv cards are supported on linux?11:42
mojone1 xperienced w/ sata on nvidia nforce3?11:42
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mojodud: not sure but believe some happauge r working... check hardware on mythtv, that is where i think i saw some nfo11:43
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mojodud: mythtv is a tivo-like app in linux11:44
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stuNNedanyone using gnomad2 on unstable?11:46
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Frafraxyhi all11:48
mojohi frafraxy11:48
Frafraxywho can give me a good source.list for apt-get?11:49
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HcEFrafraxy: read the documentation?11:49
HcEdepends on what you need11:49
Frafraxyor paste it in #flood11:49
FrafraxyI would like a stable sources11:50
Frafraxycan you help me?11:51
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mojoHi.  I'm runnint Ubuntu on AMD64/nForce3 and having problems with SATA.  Is this a good place to look for help, or is there an nforce or sata channel of some sort?11:53
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dudmojo, will do11:55
mojodud: good luck... i'm sure you'll find sumthin there11:55
Frafraxycan you give me some repository?11:56
stuNNedwhat's a good ftp client for ubuntu?11:57
stuNNedthat supports ssl...11:58
mojofrafraxy: sorry, all i have are the default repositories in synaptic/apt.  I am still pretty new to apt, coming from a previous mandrake install11:59
housetierFrafraxy you can enable universe or so with synaptic12:01
housetierthere is no need to touch sources.list by hand12:01
mojostuNNed: gftp supposedly supports SSL (TLS1) encryption on both command and data12:02
housetierunless,of course, you want to add a non-ubuntu repository; which might cause problems later, so you ought to have a good reason12:02
mojostunned: sorry, that was lftp, not gftp... oops12:02
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ulissehi channel!12:03
mojostunned: try this thread... http://www.linuxforum.com/forums/index.php?s=0b4ffe127ff61aadad0e54f628c7a65e&showtopic=120956&st=0&#entry51948412:03
ulissedoes anyone knows how to edit the gnome-menu in hoary?12:03
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stuNNedmojo, thanks12:05
mojostunned: np12:07
stuNNedmojo, any idea why when 'ls' the ftp server hangs?  it's windows ftp server12:08
mojostunned: sorry, no.  i haven't played w/ ftp servers on windows much, though i have used clients.  is the server yours?12:09
stuNNedsure isn't12:10
mojostunned: well, you have limited ability to troubleshoot if the box ain't under your control or supervision.  (by yours i didn't mean you but under your administrative control, he he)12:10
stuNNedhehe :)12:10
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ulissemojo, stuNNed, help me please!12:11
mojostunned: I would ask q's like... do other operations against that ftp server work, like gets to known targets?  is the ls a problem only sometimes or all the time?  is it for just some parts of the directory tree?  what do you know about the server, is it a nt server, win2k server, or some '95-ish box... etc...12:11
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mojoulisse:  help me first!12:12
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dudffs, this cdrom is giving me a headache12:12
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dudand not to mention linus12:13
mojogood thing i use the copyleft world... whew!12:13
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Prasatkohello, can somebody help me. I don't have CDROM, I have copied the whole ubuntu cd to HDD (to /mnt/c/u directory) how do I add this source to apt/sources.list? is it possible?12:14
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mojoprasatko:  um, publish the directory with apache and point to yourself (lol)12:15
mojoprasatko:  honestly i don't have your answer...12:15
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Prasatkomojo: wow, I'll try it12:15
duddeb file:/home/jason/debian stable main contrib non-free12:16
mojoprasatko:  okay well... you might ask around some more... someone else surely knows a saner way to go about it.12:16
fahadis the packages in apt- , are realsed by ubuntu community or debian one, i mean is it updating packages daily ?12:16
dudsomething in that manner ok Prasatko ?12:16
NotaCluewill ubuntu run on a Dell Dimension L?  .. its got those option ROM thingies12:16
Prasatkodud: thanx, I will try this too12:17
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stuNNedmojo, i'm sorry12:22
fahadis the packages in apt- , are realsed by ubuntu community or debian one, i mean is it updating packages daily ?12:22
stuNNedmojo, win2k3 server, filezilla works if in passive mode with tls enabled12:22
Prasatkodud: thanx, it worked :)12:23
stuNNedmojo, filezille being an open source win32 ftp client12:24
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mojostunned: don't be sorry.  i am not sure if i can help u much.  i was just thinking that the ftpd on the win2k box probably has a user account associatad with it on win2k, and it may be a permission issue there.  or some other issue with access to that partition/share/directory/whatever it is on the win2k end12:27
mojostunned: if some parts of the tree ls and others cause the crash, or it crashes at a certain point, then i would have the win2k box admin look at the dir from the win2k point of view and check that ftpd's user acct against it12:28
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mojostunned: but if any ls just hangs the ftpd immediately, then i don't know what to suggest12:29
stuNNedmojo, it's some crappy ftp server for windows i'm thinking, filezilla in win32 works fine12:29
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mojostunned: whose box is it anyway?12:30
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stuNNedmojo, a friend of mine12:30
mojostunned: he just tryin to set this up?  if he's got freedom, he could seek out and test some other ftp daemons12:31
stuNNedmojo, i'm getting `ls' at 0 [Making data connection...]  with lftp...12:31
mojostunned: it still could be a perms issue with the user account that the ftpd is using.  that would be my first gut instinct12:31
stuNNedmojo, so he needs to open ports for ftp-data?12:31
leriohi there. how do i install a display package for gdesklets?12:32
mojostunned: is he testing across a firewall or router/bridge?  or is he testing on the local net?12:32
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stuNNedtesting over internet across firewall/router12:33
bieztwhat are the minimum reqs for ubuntu on pentiums ?12:33
mojostunned: well one good idea for narrowing down is to test locally on the same side of his dmz or whatever, besides just looking into the routers and firewalls port setups12:34
stuNNedmojo, yes, locally it worked with filezilla ftp client in windows12:34
mojostunned: okay so filezilla is the client that tests okay locally.  you don't know what his ftpd on the win2k box is then?12:35
mojostunned: if fzilla works local but not over internet, then ports is a real good theory12:35
stuNNedmojo, i forget what the ftpd is, sure-ftpd or something?12:35
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mojostunned: i am not sure if the results of ls come thru command or data channels.  i am no ftp guru12:36
stuNNedmojo, Serv-U ftpd12:36
digituswhen i mount my fat32 (win) partition, dirs a shown as files of unkown type and i cant access them..12:37
mojostunned: well it may be worth finding out in the long run.  but in the short run, knowing that it all works on the local lan means that the config and perms on the win2k box are probably okay.  your idea with the ports being open across the routers/firewalls is a valid theory12:37
stuNNedmojo, ok then, i think ftp-data needs to be open as well as the ftpd port12:38
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mojonow this ftp client is failing from (i suppose) your home (or his) across the internet to the win2k/serv-u ftpd box.  does the client work to other sites?  just to validate that the client end of this test works to other servers/locations12:39
stuNNedmojo, i don't really care about accessing it, just helped him set it up and don't have a windows box handy to test filezilla with12:39
bieztcan anyone help me plz !!12:39
leriowhere can i find guides on how to install displays & sensors for gedsklets?12:39
biezti know nothing about linux, is ubuntu good to start with ?12:40
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mojobiezt: i could say as good as any.  I am new to ubuntu, having tried mandrake before.12:40
bieztand can it run on a p2 ?12:41
mojobiezt:  Mandrake was not to shabby a place to start for beginning.  it has good hardware detection12:41
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mojobiezt:  i am not up on hardware requirements.  but all the major distros should tell you on their home page or a link off the home page12:41
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mojobiezt:  i like ubuntu but for some stuff like patent-entangled media codecs (like MP3 or MPEG), Ubuntu doesn't install them as they are non-free.  You can get them, but you have to do a little extra work on your own.  Same for java and flash in the browers.12:42
bieztit's gonna be a test server :P12:43
bieztso i can make 1 if i'm a student12:44
mojostunned: good luck w/your friend and his ftp server.  don't kow if i can offer much more to suggest12:44
stuNNedmojo, thanks alot though!12:44
stuNNedmojo, appreciate your help! :D12:44
mojostunned: your welcome.  i'll send ya the good luck wish vibe through the ether12:44
mojobiezt:  i personally don't care what you do with codecs... all this patent/copyright stuff stifles creativity anyway, imho.12:45
mojobiezt: the point i wanted to make was that if you wanted to use the machine for common desktop use, which tends to include playing videos, surfin the web to sites with flash/shockwave content, and listening to MP3 music... well, you have to get your hands a little dirty to get that working in Ubuntu.  Ubuntu strictly follows the free (as in freedom) philosopy with the software they package and enable by default.  But they also believe in yo12:47
mojour freedom too, including freedom to add "non-free" software but you gotta do it yourself.12:47
mojobiezt: but if you just want to play with it as a server and don't care about a desktop use or media, then it is a fine choice12:48
mojobiezt: it may even help instill good admin practices, since it disables root login by default forcing you to use 'sudo' (super-user do) from a user account to do administrative tasks12:49
mojobiezt: ubuntu also parred down the package list so you don't wind up with sixteen editors, three web browsers, and nine whatchamajiggies on the default install.12:50
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mojobiezt: you can still install what ya like, but the initial system is fairly clean12:51
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wellhungjuani should be called justin12:52
mojosry wellhungjuan...  the name deserves needling12:53
stuNNedmojo, looking at things, it looks like he needs to open ftp-data port, is this a security hazard?12:53
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mojostunned: depends on how you look at it.  lost of public ftp servers exist on the net.  best bet would be to strictly route traffic across the firewalls/routers to that one machine only, and to set up that ftp daemon (server) with secure connections and a strict user list, disallowing anonymous connections.12:54
stuNNedok, thanks, yes, i think anonymous is disabled.12:55
mojostunned: otherwise, limit what the ftp server exposes.  if it is meant to allow uploads, restrict them to a specified upload directory and implement some sort of quarrantine until virus check and all can be done12:55
stuNNedok! :D12:55
mojostunned: right on.12:55
mojonow if i could only find help with my SATA problems <snif!>12:56
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mojostunned: oh yeah... get that guy to keep up on security notices regarding his ftp server software so he stays on top of exploits and vulnerabilities12:58
lurchentsaftergot a problem with my bew box: it only supports usb keyboards. grub recognises the kbd but the installer fails so that i am NOT able to select my language. any ideas?12:59
mupewhy doesn't ubuntu execute anything that isn't in /usr/something?01:02
dudshouldnt it be possible to exclude files with apt-get?01:04
dudin the sources.list or such?01:04
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Friczyexclude files? What would you like to do exactly?01:05
dudexclude it from installing liblame0 and libmp3lame001:06
dudas they are bugged in hoary01:06
FallenHitokiriwhich pakage do I have to install to run make-kpkg ?01:06
dudbtw, isnt someone going to fix these bugged pacakges01:06
mojomupe: if you're trying to execuete something somewhere else, check to be sure it's set to executable.  If it still won't execute, it may not be on the search path and need to be explicityly executed (i.e. prepending "./" to configure for executing a confugre in the current directory)01:06
dudi know its a development branch hoary, but its been a known issue for quite some time now01:07
Friczydud: you mean you want to hold the old package?01:09
lurchentsafterFallenHitokiri, IIRC kernel-package01:10
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IRCMonkeyanyone here?01:10
dudFriczy, i dont know what i wanted, i just want liblame0 to work heh01:10
mupemojo, sorry, I don't completely understand your advice01:10
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FallenHitokirilurchentsafter, jup I install it atm ;)01:10
IRCMonkeyhey, how do you get into comandline mode... like init 301:11
Friczydud: try: echo '<packagename> hold' | dpkg --set-selections01:11
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IRCMonkeyor tty....01:11
Friczyin this case this package will not be upgraded01:11
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dudFriczy, got nothing01:12
mojomupe: um, what do you mena by not executing anything not in /user/something?  what are you trying to execute?  are you new to linux?01:12
Friczydud: yes, nothing happens of course01:12
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Friczydud: but in next upgrade this package will remain as installed and not will be upgraded01:12
dudoh, okay01:12
mojomupe: to execute a binary or script, the file has to have it's 'executable' bit set01:13
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mupeyes, it is01:13
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dudFriczy, that seems to have made the matters worse01:14
Friczydud: why?01:14
Frafraxyfor activate bluetooth?01:14
mojomupe: also, if you try to execute something by name, like "configure", for instance, the shell won't necessarily just execute it just 'cuz you're in that directory.  it will seart the executable path.  You have to prepend "./" like "./configure" to tell it to exectue out of the current directory.01:14
dudnow everything that depends on liblame0 gives this message in apt-get01:14
Friczydud: yes.01:14
dudlibmyth-0.16: Depends on: liblame0 (>= 3.96.1-1) but wont be installed01:14
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Friczyif it depends on a specific version, it can't be installed.01:15
mupeoh thanks got it01:15
Frafraxywhat i must to write?01:15
mojomupe: cool01:15
dudVersion: 3.96.1-101:15
dudthats the version apt-cache show gives01:15
dudclearly something is broken01:15
Friczyyes. apt-get show shows the available version.01:15
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dudthis stuff is giving me a headache01:16
Friczyif you want to install the new version, just change the hold to install and give the previous command again01:16
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Friczyso echo '<packagename> install' | dpkg --set-selections will make it upgrade-able again01:16
dudyeah, but the problem is, that the package cant be installed'01:17
xevildud have you tried installing liblame0 first?  Sometimes apt gets bogged down with deps01:17
dudas said on http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-7296.html01:17
dudfor example01:17
dudand the mailinglist has a few entries about the bug too i believe01:18
Friczydud: do you use hoary or warty?01:18
Friczyusing a testing version has always risks01:18
dudi know i know01:18
mupemojo another solution: add ./ to PATH01:19
dudbut being *in development*, its exactly these sort of things that should be straighten out before it reaches stable01:19
Friczyif dependency allows you can try get these packages from warty perhaps01:19
mojojust a quick q: is upgrade from warty to hoary a simple apt-get on some upgrade package?01:19
Friczymojo: you should set hoary in sources.list then apt-get dist-upgrade01:19
Frafraxyfor activate bluetooth in ubuntu, what should i do?01:20
mojofriczy: thanks01:20
mojofriczy: would i want to remove the warty entries, btw?01:20
Friczymojo: not necesserily. as you wish.01:20
mojofriczy: or not worry 'bout that 'till after upgrade01:20
mojofriczy: thanks again.01:21
FriczyYou can delete or comment out or leave it as is.01:21
Friczybut if you leave it in, apt-get update will last longer01:21
Friczybut not much longer :)01:21
Frafraxyare you there?01:21
FriczyFrafraxy: yes, but perhaps nobody knows the answer01:21
Friczyfor ex. I never used BT on PC01:22
Frafraxya've alway used /sbin/hciconfig hci0 up01:23
Frafraxybut it doesn't work01:23
CraHan_does anyone know what the status is on nautilus-cd-burner in hoary?01:24
CraHan_is it part of nautilus-extensions now?01:24
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TUXedohi again01:33
TUXedoi have a problem with my locale01:33
TUXedoit is set to "de", but all programs say the locale doesn't exist and that the default locale can't be found01:34
FriczyTUXedo: dpkg-reconfigure locales and make sure de is selected.01:34
TUXedohow does that work exactly (i know, i'm bad... ;))?01:35
FriczyTUXedo: on a terminal type sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales01:36
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WeedVenderis anyone here?01:37
TUXedoit says LC_ALL is unset01:37
ICUWeedVender, good question to start with ... on a 272 peon channel...01:38
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WeedVenderbut how many have really important questions!?01:39
ICUWeedVender, afaik only TUXedo stated a question :)01:39
WeedVenderwell then here goes mine.01:39
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WeedVenderIIm trying to run Apollon and it tries to load KDE01:40
WeedVenderI don't have KDE installed01:40
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WeedVendergives me conflicts with QlistView01:41
WeedVenderalso the program doesn't connect.01:41
da_bon_bonhi all01:43
ACIDneti cant do this coursework :(01:43
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TUXedolocale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory01:44
WeedVenderhello da01:44
TUXedolocale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory01:44
TUXedothats the message i get when starting or installing many programs01:44
FriczyTUXedo: did you type the command as root (or with sudo)?01:45
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TUXedoyes, and i get following output01:45
Friczyhmm. try apt-get install locales01:46
TUXedoperl: warning: Setting locale failed.01:46
TUXedoperl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:01:46
TUXedo        LANGUAGE = "en_GB",01:46
TUXedo        LC_ALL = "en",01:46
TUXedo        LC_MESSAGES = "en_US",01:46
TUXedo        LANG = "en_GB"01:46
TUXedo    are supported and installed on your system.01:46
TUXedoperl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").01:46
TUXedolocale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory01:46
TUXedolocale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory01:46
TUXedolocale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory01:46
TUXedo/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed01:46
TUXedoill try01:46
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TUXedoapt-get doesnt wanna run for the same reason01:47
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housetierTUXedo whats the error message from apt-get?01:48
TUXedoalmost the same01:48
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FriczyTUXedo: try setting LANG to en_GB01:48
Friczythough as I see it will not solve this :(01:49
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TUXedosame problem with following settings01:50
TUXedo        LANGUAGE = "en_GB",01:50
TUXedo        LC_ALL = "en",01:50
TUXedo        LC_MESSAGES = "en_GB",01:50
TUXedo        LANG = "en_GB"01:50
TUXedoi may have to reinstall01:50
TUXedoi think a reinstall will bei the simplest01:52
mojoanyone familiar with sata drives on linux about?01:52
TUXedoanyway thank you for your help guys01:53
da_bon_bonhi. anyone know how to install knoppix 3.7 to hard disk ? (plese dont refer me to #knoppix.)01:53
housetiermojo I have a little experience with promise sata drivers01:53
TUXedoi tink i will have to come ere more often...01:53
mojohousetier:  cool.  i have nvida nforce3 (nv_sata).  prob is that fdisk / cfdisk / qparted / ubuntu installer all "see" the drive (/dev/sda) but also all error out when trying to write a partition table to it.01:54
leriohi! what is the command to install .bin scripts for gdesklets sensors?01:55
housetierda_bon_bon http://download.linuxtag.org/knoppix/KNOPPIX-FAQ-EN.txt01:55
housetiermojo do you have a driver for the sata controller?01:55
mojonot a separate one.  dmesg shows a bunch of lines like "nv_sata: Primary device added" followed by a "removed", then the same for Secondary... lists several lines like this repeating.01:57
mojoso i presume that nv_sata is my sata driver?01:58
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mojoMy system is more or less as Warty install disk (amd64) created it.01:58
zaeemhi guys02:00
zaeemhi bob202:00
zaeemanybody tried compiling beagle on hoary?02:00
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zaeemany one??02:02
mojohousetier: any notions on how to troubleshoot this?02:02
mojozaeem ur not alone.. but i don't even know what beagle is, sorry02:03
zaeemmojo: do you know about this darn no: command not found..02:03
zaeemi have exhausted google search...02:03
zaeemcouldnot dig out a solution02:03
mojohousetier: i have searched the internet but have no joy.  if you don't have a good idea on how to go about troubleshooting, you know any good resources or even other irc channels i can try for help?  even direction to search would be a boon.  thx.02:04
mojozaeem i don't understand your question02:05
zaeemmojo: i am following the beagle howto in the ubuntu wiki...when i execute make && make installl ... it says after some time no: command not found..02:06
zaeemapparently its looking for some no command which obviously doesnt exist..02:06
zaeemi searched the net and found out that it was due to gettext but no solution for that is given.02:06
zaeemi cant remove gettext as it breaks many other dep02:07
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mojosorry i don't think i'll be of much help - i have a long troubleshooting career but not with linux.  here i am still pretty n00bish02:07
zaeemnot a problem..02:08
zaeempretty nice of you to listen to it..atleast you will remember me when you encounter this yourself :)02:08
zaeemc ya02:08
zaeemtake care mate02:08
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mojogood luck though.  I myself am beating my head against the wall over a SATA drive that won't partition02:08
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thoreauputicppc ubuntu questions: will ubuntu run well on an iBook G4 1.2ghz with 256MB RAM? Has anyone here dual booted Ubuntu with OS X?02:12
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GoneBoBthoreauputic: it should boot and be fine02:12
GoneBoB512mb ram is preferable though02:12
thoreauputicthat was my conclusion, too02:12
thoreauputicGoneBoB: easy to dual boot?02:13
GoneBoByeah it should be fine02:13
GoneBoBI haven't done it personally02:13
GoneBoBbut I know people who have without issue02:13
housetiermojo I can't help you with that problem I fear02:13
thoreauputicGoneBoB: are you using a Mac?02:13
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mojohousetier: it's okay.  i'll keep a searchin...02:16
mojohousetier: i'll get lucky some time i hope. otherwise it's a 250Gb paperweight for me (sigh)02:16
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housetierwhen I was dealing with the promis, I "only" had to put it in the ramdisk for the kernel, so it could be loaded very early02:17
mojoi am thinking that the driver is there but it may be having problems.  still learning how to even know what my system has on it.02:18
paulproteusthoreauputic: I run Ubuntu primarily on my iBook 1Ghz 256MiB RAM.02:19
mojoi think support is via libata but am not sure.  nv_sata may be a kernel module for all i know at this point02:19
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thoreauputicpaulproteus: aha! And does it run well with that RAM?02:19
housetiermojo are you sure its the right module and it does not need further parameters or so02:20
mojobut interesting thing is all the repeated messages it spits out with dmesg02:20
mojooh it may.  ubuntu install set it up.  at first i didn't put any partitions on the drive, and was gonna deal with that after getting up n running.02:20
mojobut after pulling my hair out i tried the installer again and it can't deal with the drive either.  using a warty amd64 install image.02:21
grepperhi all02:21
housetiermoin grepper02:21
grepperanyone know how to disable nautilus from poping up everytime I mount a drive from terminal ?02:21
grepperhi housetier02:22
grepperits annoying as I don't use a filemanager much if at all, and it steals focus which is even worse :P02:22
mojowell anyway housetier thx for the offer.  i will takle the sata drive again after some sleep.02:22
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marjorielo, i have set up wireless with wpa supplicant in ubuntu, what is the best way to automate it so i dont have to run the commands on start up?02:29
thoreauputicmarjorie: usually to start something on boot you would use update-rc.d , or edit the scripts in /etc/init.d02:32
marjoriecool ok, and i can just use the bash commands in there?02:33
thoreauputicyou might be able to hack it by adding hte command to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh , but it isn't the recommended method02:33
marjorieupdate-rc.d is a program?02:34
thoreauputicmarjorie: I think running update-rc.d as root would be the first try02:34
marjoriek, all im doing when i start is useing ifconfig to bring intif up, then wpa to do that, then dhclient02:34
marjoriewhere is update-rc.d?02:35
thoreauputicwell, if you want to try it, you can add the commands to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh02:35
thoreauputic /usr/sbin/update-rc.d02:36
marjoriein my path then...02:36
thoreauputicmarjorie: but I'm on Debian here so I don't know if it's included in Ubuntu02:36
marjoriei dont think it is...02:37
thoreauputicwhich update-rc.d should tell you, or `type update-rc.d `02:37
paulproteusthoreauputic: I think I wish I had more RAM.  I'm not quite sure.02:37
paulproteusMaybe I just wish my disk speed were faster.02:37
thoreauputicmarjorie: hmm... have a look at apt-cache show rcconf  - I think that will do the job too02:38
marjoriethoreauputic: how can i get locate working in ubuntu, it says there is no db even if i have run updatedb02:38
thoreauputicmarjorie: you ran updatedb as root?02:39
marjorienothing seems to happen tho02:39
marjoriewarning: updatedb: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory02:39
marjoriejust wondering how i can create it02:39
thoreauputicmarjorie: that's very odd02:39
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thoreauputicrunning updatedb as root should "just work" (TM)02:40
marjoriek i have apted update-rc...02:40
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marjorienow im scared to reboot :)02:41
thoreauputicmarjorie: OK - I think the man page should tell you what you need to know, but I confess I'm lazy and just throw stuff into bootmisc.sh02:41
ftwigapt is having a problem installing /linux-image-2.6.9-1-386_2.6.9-10_i386.deb on Horay - is this a known problem?02:42
marjoriewhere as update-rc is more refined beacuse...?02:42
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marjoriethis is the thing that confuses me the most, so many different ways to do the same thing02:43
thoreauputicmarjorie: heh "because it's the Debian Way"02:43
marjorietis my fav...02:43
housetierftwig which problem would that be?02:43
marjorieok so update.rc usage seems simple enough, but it seems its writeing to something?02:44
thoreauputicmarjorie: I believe the bootmisc hack can cause issues with upgrades or something02:44
vegaiwhere does the update-grub script derive the hard drive devices from?=!02:44
thoreauputicof course, it would update by rewriting your init.d scripts02:44
vegaiit keeps thinking my HD is /dev/hda402:44
greppermarjorie, I haven't followed this discussion, but you know you can add wireless commands to /etc/network/interfaces ?02:45
marjorieyeah ive done that02:45
marjoriejust need to automate so everything is cool after boot02:45
thoreauputicaha - grepper's way is probably simpler and easier02:45
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greppermarjorie, "man wireless" will give examples of commands you can use I think02:46
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grepperuse in the interface file thatis02:46
marjorieim clued up on all the commands and things were just debateing/ museing over whats the best way to start them up02:46
thoreauputicmarjorie: hehe... make an icon linked to a script and click on it ? *grin*02:47
marjoriei love the fact that u can use the "scan" command in linux02:47
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grepperpersonally I would use interfaces file, as that is a network config file02:48
marjoriethoreauputic: each extra one helps me feel more stupid :)02:48
marjoriegrepper: k will do02:48
thoreauputicmarjorie: I don't get the impression you're stupid - you seem pretty clued from here :)02:48
marjoriejust on a very steep learning curb02:49
marjorieabout a month new to linux but im v happy so far :)02:49
grepperI find it strange that I can't find anything on google about this issue with nautilus interupting a terminal session with a window popping up02:49
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marjoriehey i have had that!#02:50
grepperI would have thought there would be a lot of terminal users who would be wondering how to change this behavior02:50
marjorieu get wierd session errors if u start up nautilus from console02:50
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greppermarjorie, well, the question was how to stop it02:51
marjorieill tell u when i know :)02:51
marjoriebut the first step is breaking it02:52
thoreauputicgrepper: it only does this occasionally, right?02:52
grepperthoreauputic, everytime I mount a disk02:52
grepperI chroot to do something, and up it pops and steals focus02:53
grepperwell, when I mount, not chroot02:53
thoreauputicgrepper: just guessing really, but is it something to do with "automounting", or the way /etc/fstab is set up?02:54
ftwighousetier:Errors were encountered while processing:02:54
ftwig /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.9-1-386_2.6.9-10_i386.deb02:54
ftwigE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)02:54
grepperthoreauputic, I guess, but I wouldn't think you would have to disable it globaly02:54
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housetierftwig do you see other error messages before that?02:55
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marjoriegrepper: its ok to put bash commands in /etc/network/interfaces ?02:56
greppermarjorie, did you read "man wireless" ?02:56
marjorieok smack my hand02:56
thoreauputicmarjorie: it's OK to do anything... but your system might break ... ;)02:57
grepperI think you preface the commands with wireless- , at least according to man interfaces02:58
ftwighousetier: yes - yes noticed its cos I have filled up /, but not sure how I can get round this - / is 256MB02:58
marjoriewhere can i get these manuals ur refering to?02:58
marjoriejust in /usr/doc or something?02:58
grepperftwig, "apt-get clean" will empty out your /var/cache/apt/archives of downloaded debs02:59
thoreauputicmarjorie: just type ` man <name_of_command`02:59
marjoriecool :P02:59
thoreauputicmarjorie: like man ls  or man cp  and so forth02:59
marjorieive always just used [command]  -help03:00
ftwighousetier: Yes - but that douse not help with / - maybe I should symlink /boot to someware with more space03:00
thoreauputicmarjorie: unfortunately there's no manual entry for `woman` *grin*03:00
housetierftwig so /var is on a different partition than / ?03:01
thoreauputicmarjorie: just for fun, type apt-get moo03:01
ftwighousetier: yes03:01
ftwighousetier: / has its own partition03:01
marjorie.... let me guess, that would be man -man03:02
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housetierftwig do you have an idea what might be using so much space?03:02
thoreauputicmarjorie: no hyphen   man man  gives you the manual for the manual :)03:02
ftwighousetier: there seem to be 3 kernels in there but not really - its a fairly new install03:02
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marjorieheheh no i meant the woman manual would be like....03:03
housetierftwig maybe /tmp is full too?03:03
marjorieman - woman {//.woman man-man}03:03
ftwighousetier: /tmp has its own partision03:04
marjoriebeing silly....03:04
housetierftwig ok now tell me your partition scheme03:04
greppermarjorie, it would have nice pictures03:04
housetierlayout even03:04
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ftwigFilesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on03:04
ftwig/dev/hda1             268M  250M  3.8M  99% /03:04
ftwigtmpfs                  94M     0   94M   0% /dev/shm03:04
ftwig/dev/hda7             6.5G   76M  6.1G   2% /home03:04
ftwig/dev/hda6              90M  4.1M   81M   5% /tmp03:04
ftwig/dev/hda8             7.0G  1.8G  4.9G  27% /usr03:04
thoreauputicpeter@debianarchist:~$ man woman03:04
ftwig/dev/hda5             4.6G  148M  4.3G   4% /var03:04
thoreauputicNo manual entry for woman03:04
ftwignone                  5.0M  2.7M  2.4M  54% /dev03:04
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fabbioneSTOP flooding the CHAN with useless info03:05
marjorieheh, this manual would be a lot like "how to do things in debian"03:05
maswanftwig: First, /etc/gconf is usually huge and bloated and would be better off in /var, IMO. then you have /lib with a huge tree of kernel modules, probably.03:05
housetierftwig "cd /; du -sh" and then cd into the largest directory where you run "du -sh" again03:05
marjorieso many wonderful choises to achive the same functionality...03:05
maswanhousetier: ehm. add a -x to du to keep within /03:06
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maswanhousetier: and that will only do it for the top directory, so you fail on that too.03:06
housetierftwig ok listen to maswan03:07
maswandu --max-depth 1 -xch /03:07
thoreauputicmarjorie:  sudo apt-get install debian-reference ; sudo apt-get install apt-howto03:08
Dekkarda hoary upgrade always makes me nervous...03:08
maswanor du -xk / > /tmp/root.du03:08
ftwighousetier:am - ta03:08
maswanthen xdu < /tmp/root.du03:08
housetierI'll stay out of this, too complicated for me03:08
marjoriegoing from the interfaces manual i can bring the interface up and dhcp it with just auto wlan003:08
maswanhmm.. xdu is perhaps not installed by default, but when installed it gives a nice graphical overview of the directory tree with the largest one being largest.03:08
thoreauputicmarjorie: sounds like a plan then03:09
marjoriebut the wpa_supplicant binary has to be run b4 that..03:09
marjorietime to see if its "OK" i think :)03:09
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marjoriewell after that it "assosiates" with my "access point"03:11
thoreauputicmarjorie: sounds positively Freudian...03:12
thoreauputicmarjorie: I hope it knows not to associate with strangers03:13
marjorieit says u can use any of the binarys that come with the wireless-tools package but wpa_supplicant aint...03:13
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ftwigmaswan: ok - /lib is huge, but there is also a /var/lib - I supose i could create a /var/boot_lib and symlink /lib to it.03:15
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marjorieright reboot time!03:16
marjoriec u in 503:16
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maswanftwig: Hmm.. I'm not 100% sure actually, how the bootorder would handle that with regard to kernel modules.03:16
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marjorieno joy :(03:24
marjoriegrepper: is there any log for /etc/network/interfaces ?03:24
marjorieor a way to test my syntax b4 boot or somthing03:24
GoneBoB/etc/init.d/networking restart03:26
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thoreauputicmarjorie: you could try dmesg | grep wireless as well, maybe - see if there are messages during boot03:26
marjoriethoreauputic: kernel is fine, loads my ndiswrapper moduel peachy evey time03:27
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marjoriebut i just ran ./networking restart and im still connected so i dont think my fore in the interfaces file was successful :)03:29
ftwigmaswan: bugger - yust tried to move /lib and when I deleted /lib to symlink it I found /bin/ln is broken - time to boot with a rescue disk ;(03:29
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maswanftwig: Ehm. Yeah, you need a few files in /lib to run any binary.03:30
marjoriethoreauputic: time to useing ur dodgy method > 5 mins...03:30
ftwigmaswan: you only learn by your mistakes :)03:30
thoreauputicmarjorie: allcare but no responsibility... ;)03:30
ftwigmaswan: now I guess I need to put a CD drive in the box;(03:31
maswanftwig: I would rather look to see if I had multiple kernel version installed and remove one of them with lots of modules in /lib/modules03:31
maswanftwig: yeah03:31
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marjorieive tried asking in the #ndiswrapper channel but i think they expect me to speak in binary or something03:31
ftwigmaswan: probably a bit late for that - unless you have a cunning plan.  I think I will gove / 500MB in future03:32
thoreauputicmarjorie: you mean you *can't* speak in binary? What kind of a Linux geek are you? hehe03:32
quietSo I'm installing Ubuntu 4.10 on my notebook... and I don't think it's actually having problems... but for a while it was just scroling "serial8273: too much work for irq 10"   (not sure if those are the correct numbers on 'serial'...03:32
Tsjoklat*cough cough*03:32
Tsjoklatmarjorie changing of nicks might help :P03:32
marjoriethey dont understand my "accent"03:33
maswanftwig: Well, you can boot rescue and undo what you just did, then do that. But yeah, 512 meg root seems to be the least to handle in a comfortable way these days. At least if you want multiple kernel versions installed.03:33
marjoriehellloooooooo , SELECT question FROM nicks03:33
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Tsjoklatmarjorie if you would change it to something more 'sexless' they probably help :P03:34
GoneBoBftwig: this is where sash would come in handy03:34
GoneBoBstatically linked shell with builtin commands03:34
thoreauputicmarjorie:   /nick  techDude   *g*03:35
Tsjoklathey thoreauputic :)03:35
marjoriei dont think that really goes with the ubuntu mentality does it?03:35
GoneBoBmarjorie: problem with ndiswrapper?03:35
Tsjoklatmarjorie I was refering to that ndiswrapper thing channel03:36
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thoreauputicmarjorie: I don't see why you should need to change your nick, frankly03:36
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Tsjoklatthoreauputic, you are male?03:36
marjorieNo problem im just unsure as to the best of automateing the whole nic up, authenticate, dhcp process03:37
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Tsjoklatthoreauputic, name yourself 'Betty' and see how much help you get in some channels :P03:38
ftwigGoneBoB: OK - i'le apt-get it ;)03:39
thoreauputicTsjoklat: heh - in some channels all the lonely geeks would rush to help ;)03:39
GoneBoBftwig: just handy to have around in case of emergency :)03:39
Tsjoklatthoreauputic, I am not talking about "testerone overflow" channels dear03:39
GoneBoBI keep a 512mb USB key with LNX-BBC around for emergencies though03:39
thoreauputicTsjoklat: yeah, I get it *g*03:39
ftwigOK - ime going to rebbot - I may be some time03:40
marjoriethis channel seems cool03:40
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Tsjoklatmarjorie it is03:40
thoreauputicmarjorie: yeah, for a bit of culture shock, just lurk in #debian for a while ...03:40
marjoriei know03:40
Tsjoklatthoreauputic, you would only advise that to someone that is suicidal03:41
marjoriei was like, "ill just go and hang myself"03:41
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marjorie"..is that ok?"03:41
thoreauputicTsjoklat: well, once I got over the shock I learnt a lot in there03:41
Tsjoklatmarjorie, wow you didn't get banned with your nick? lol amazing... must be the season spirit03:41
Tsjoklatthoreauputic, oh yeah hella smart... like it is so gobsmacking how good they are in setting bans03:42
gir_hi, i've got a problem printing from mozilla and openoffice.03:42
thoreauputicTsjoklat: hey, there's a couple of prominent women in #debian, you know03:42
etorixhow does #debian react to the u-word?03:42
Tsjoklatthoreauputic, oh?03:42
gir_cups printing works okay but image colours are wrong in ff and oo03:42
marjorieits bound to a single click from thier uber-tech mice03:42
thoreauputicetorix: depends on context03:42
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gir_it seems to be sending the print job via lpr03:42
gir_any ideas?03:43
thoreauputicTsjoklat: phated, helix03:43
etorixlike they react to the k-word?03:43
marjorieopengl render for some gui auto kick program03:43
etorix[i dont go in there] 03:43
thoreauputicetorix: not as badly03:43
GoneBoBmarjorie: haha I just changed jobs03:43
GoneBoBthey previous regime were oldschool unix/debian nutjobs03:43
thoreauputicetorix: the k word always produces a knee-jerk03:43
GoneBoBnone of the mice had scroll wheels03:43
GoneBoBI threw them all out03:43
marjoriei would like to get a linux job...03:43
Tsjoklatwell let's stick with ubu shall we :P03:44
marjoriejust on the wintel cusp03:44
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Tsjoklatthere is not enough medication for all of us03:44
lookerhi people i don't mount /dev/sda1 in ubuntu03:44
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gir_so does anyone know anything about printing?03:45
marjorie...k, what was the name of that init.misc  start up script :)03:45
thoreauputicmarjorie:  /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh03:45
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thoreauputicgir_: I'm sure someone does ... be a little more specific perhaps?03:47
thoreauputicetorix: yes03:47
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etorixsda1 = sata?03:47
gir_okay, graphics don't print properly in firefox and openoffice03:47
gir_a cups test sheet works fine and the colours are nice from gnome03:47
Josephusi forgot the name of the gnome theme i was using in debian, now i can't find it anywhere. screenshot: http://www.josephus.hu/pictures/screenshots/kepek/xorg.png03:47
amhI have an ASUS A8V mobo, AMD64 3500+, 2 SATA harddrives on the Promise sata controller, WindowsXP on one harddrive and i want to install Ubuntu on the other but I want to make sure this will work or I will need to reinstall windows and I dont want to do that.  My video card is nvidia 6800GT.  Would I have problems installing Ubuntu?  Fedora 2 works but Fedora 3 doesnt and I would like to...03:47
amh...give Ubuntu a try.03:47
Josephuscan someone give me a name or something?03:48
GoneBoBamh: you may have some problems with the SATA controller, or you may not03:48
GoneBoBit's extremely unlikely that you will break windows03:48
gir_firefox seems to be using the lpr command to print (rather than cups?) how do I set it to use cups?03:49
thoreauputicJosephus: patience..patience...:)03:49
amhIm concerned with booting to windows03:49
ograJosephus: amaranth ?03:49
amhFedora 3 hangs on windows boot03:49
GoneBoBok I'm off03:49
GoneBoBnight all03:49
gir_amh: yeah me too, so I deleted windows03:49
amhI cant do that03:49
gir_amh:   ;)03:49
Josephusogra: dunno03:49
amhWorld of Warcraft, I NEED Windows   :D03:50
ograJosephus: look for it at art.gnome.org ....03:50
ograJosephus: or gnome-look.org03:50
thoreauputicJosephus: that's one big screenshot - I'm on dialup and it's still downloading03:50
amhSo will Ubuntu work with nvidia 6800gt and will the kernel use my promise sata controller?(asus a8v mobo)?03:51
Josephuso yeah it's amarath03:51
Josephusthank you all03:51
ograamh: for nvidia: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto03:52
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ograamh: two commands and one reboot to install the driver ;)03:53
amhOk so after first boot Ubuntu will put me in text mode and then I root the apt commands and it will install for me?  I dont have to mess with repository settings etc?03:53
marjoriecheck the promise site to see wich drivers they have for which kernel, there pretty good i think03:53
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amhHow do I install the promise drivers if it wont boot with them?03:54
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marjorieboot of an ide disk03:54
ograamh: nope, after first boot your system is configured with the free nv driver and drops you directly in a configured X....the two are for the nvidia binary driver from nvidia ;)03:54
amhI have 2 sata drives03:54
amhAh ok so its like Fedora03:55
ograis it ?03:55
marjorieboot of another disk, usb pen for eg03:55
amhthe free driver and then I install the nvidia one03:55
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marjorieand fiddle until u get it working :)03:55
amhcant do that marjorie03:55
ftwighi - managed to boot with reaque disk - tried 'sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda /media/hda/' but got 'mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda, or too many mounted file systems' any ideas?03:56
amhSo I am SOL with my mobo?  That sucks03:56
Josephusok it's in the gnome-themes-extras package03:56
etorixamh .. nobody said that03:56
etorixubuntu saw my sata hd fine03:56
amhWhat mobo?  Promise controller?03:57
etorixshuttle sn95g5 amd3500+03:57
thoreauputicftwig: umm... I think you meant /dev/hda1 didn't you?03:57
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amhOk, going to give this a try,  Ubuntu has no problems dual booting with xp right?03:58
amhDoes it use grub or lilo?03:58
thoreauputicftwig: and probably /media/hda1, if it exists on your system03:58
etorixyes and yes03:58
ftwigthoreauputic: ta - thats the one03:58
ograetorix: yes ? it uses grub or lilo ?03:58
ograamh: by default grub is used03:59
amhWell here goes nothing03:59
amhThanks for the help03:59
ograamh: and if you run into any probs we are all here in the cosy cradle of the #ubuntu community ;)03:59
amhMaybe I can finally be rid of rpm distros04:00
marjoriedoes ubuntu do a live cd?04:00
ograjust try it :)04:00
ogramarjorie: yep04:00
thoreauputicmarjorie: yes04:00
marjoriethen amh should give that a go no?04:00
ogramarjorie: not for amd64 afaik04:01
marjorietech stuff04:01
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marjorieare there many other customisations u can do for laptops after defaulkt install? power saving things like that?04:01
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thoreauputicmarjorie: you may not be fluent in binary, but judging by your previous posts you do a pretty good impression of a clued tach type ;)04:02
amhShould I do amd64 or i386?04:02
ogramarjorie: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SuspendHowto04:02
marjorieyoull blow my cover :)04:02
ograamh: take amd04:02
thoreauputicmarjorie: ahhhh... sorry wrong person... yeah you are *totally* clueless ;)04:03
amhOne more question, do you guys know of any minimalist progs for windows that will burn isos?04:03
etorixdeep burner04:03
marjorieamh: i think the best way is to get dameon tools then do 101 copy thru any prog04:03
marjorieof virtualcd04:03
etorixhmm .. is that it?04:03
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etorixim not going to boot win to look04:04
amhdeep burner is not minimalis04:05
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amhAll I want to do is burn an iso04:05
quieti just finished installing ubuntu... and it never asked me to set a root password?04:05
amhWow I am getting 300k from the ubuntu server04:05
ograquiet: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo04:06
ograamh: its running on ubuntu ;)04:06
thoreauputicquiet: correct. Ubuntu uses sudo by default04:06
amhYour kidding?04:06
amhThats awesome04:06
amhUbuntu is like the ideal linux04:06
quietokay... so what do I do when it asks me for root password for system config in gnome?04:06
ograamh: in fact ubuntu is debian with a lot of integration love04:07
ograquiet: read the url i gave you04:07
amh1 cd, sudo by def, apt04:07
thoreauputicquiet: usually you supply your user password04:07
ograquiet: thats how sudo works04:07
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quieti thought so, but that didn't work04:07
quietthanks though04:07
thoreauputicquiet: what are you configuring, and how are you attempting to do it?04:08
mupequiet, sudo passwd04:08
quieti was looking at the network config tool04:08
ogramupe: bah04:08
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quietand when I click "configure" it asks for password...04:09
quieti entered the user password, and it told me no..  heh04:09
ograquiet: retried ? maybe it was a typo ;)04:09
quiettried a few times04:09
mupecaps lock?04:10
quiet"The entered password is invalid"04:10
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quietcan I set a root password, then disable root again?04:10
t3ch_thangbootmisc.sh worked a treat ;)04:10
ograquiet: on a default ubuntu install ? nothing tweaked ?04:10
thoreauputichaha @ t3ch_thang04:10
quietno I JUST finished installing04:10
ograquiet: its described in the wiki page04:10
quietit is working great, I was just looking..04:10
mupedoes sudo work only on the first user created or on all users?04:11
thoreauputict3ch_thang: heh, script kiddie nick now ? *g*04:11
ogramupe: yep04:11
amhHow do you do major stuff to the system if no password is set?04:11
mupeogra the first or all of them?04:11
dr_willissudo has config files to set it up the other way . if ya want.04:11
ogramupe: if you want others to be able to sudo, you have to use the visudo command04:11
thoreauputict3ch_thang: glad to hear it worked - the bill is in the mail ;)04:11
t3ch_thangwell, it did seem a bit rugged seeing all the authentication hex at start up, but hey job done04:12
mupequiet, you are using the first user?04:12
quietit's my notebook... I only need 1 user04:12
amhDoesnt that essentially make your first user account root only need your user password to do stuff?04:12
mupeok, that was just an idea04:12
t3ch_thangi really like the way ubuntu handdle root stuff04:12
ograamh: nope04:13
amhOk I install ubuntu, then i use apt to install a driver, where is the security if no password is set/used?04:13
t3ch_thangwhen i first got into linux i was always running everything as root anyway...04:13
ogra amh: its actually much safer then to have a root account (as long as you dont break the model and enable the root user again) https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo04:14
amhI always logged as root then looged out after i was done04:14
ograamh: who said ther is no pw used ?04:14
amhwhats stopping anyone from just using sudo in front of a command?04:14
thoreauputicamh: it prompt you for a password04:15
amhAnd that password effectively acts as the root password04:15
t3ch_thangis there a way to make the sudo pw for root different to root pw?04:15
amhNow is that your first user password?04:15
thoreauputicamh: so choose a good password, as always04:15
kebacamh: when using sudo, it prompts for root password04:16
quietokay i get it04:16
amhAnd that password is different from your first user password04:16
quieti just did a "sudo passwd root" to set a root password.. but the root account is still disabled right?04:16
ograkebac: wrong04:16
ograkebac: it prompts the user pw04:17
mupequiet, it should be enabled now04:17
amhI always just used su to do system stuff than exited out04:17
amhsu, x y z, exit04:17
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ograquiet: you just enabled it (and opened a security hole)04:17
thoreauputicamh: you can do that if you wish, by setting a root password - but it's pointless04:17
amheasier to use sudo04:17
ograand seafer04:17
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quietokay... well than if I disable root again.. is there still a root passwd?04:18
amhsafer only because it requires a password each time04:18
amhif someone gets that password your comp is effectively rooted04:18
mupealso possible to use sudo su if need to do a lot of stuff04:18
thoreauputicamh: yes, so set a good password04:18
ograquiet: nope, then its locked again04:18
quietwell than what the heck am I supposed to use when it asks for an "administrative password"?04:19
amhthe root account isnt really disabled, its just crippled so you need to ask permission each time04:19
ograamh: read the wiki page, it covers this kind of questions04:19
ograquiet: your user pw04:19
quietogra, that doesn't work04:19
ograquiet: it does for everyone else ....04:20
quietwell than I guess I need to try to re-install or something04:20
thoreauputicquiet: if it "doesn't work", then your system is misconfigured04:20
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quietwhat's the md5 for warty?04:22
ograquiet: for the iso ?04:23
ograquiet: should be offered in the download location you got it from04:23
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quietit's not.. i'm using the mid-west united stated mirror04:24
quietnevermind i got it04:25
t3ch_thanghow can u find out what acpci function u have available (like suspend for on / off button)04:26
quieti don04:27
ograt3ch_thang: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SuspendHowto04:27
quieti don't think setting the root password enabled the root account, because I can't login with it... but using the password does work04:27
ograquiet: where do you try to login ?04:28
quieti tried it under gdm04:28
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ograquiet: never ever run X as root04:28
theNeonGodanyone here using a DVI-input LCD w/ an nvidia card and successfully got the drivers working?04:29
ograquiet: it is disabled to login via gdm04:29
thoreauputicquiet: running X as root can stuff your system totally, and is insecure as hell04:29
quietokay.. well I can su - to root04:29
ograquiet: because its to easy to damage your system....it is unsafe like windows to use a browser as root in x etc04:30
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amhWhy not use pygtk for gnome development rather than mono?  Why does mono even enter into the linux equation?  Seems like a bad idea to base important development on top of microsoft tech04:31
ograquiet: two things you should defiately never do as root are using a filemanager (nautilus) or mozilla via sudo....it breaks your users setup04:31
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amh(there is a ubuntu howto for mono)04:31
ograamh: thats the point of ubuntu (heavy python usage everywhere)04:31
amhpython makes so much more sense and is much much nicer than c#04:32
ograamh: mono is just an add on....the plan is to switch _everything_ to py04:32
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amhplan for ubuntu only or for gnome too?04:32
ograhehe fabbione04:32
ograamh: plan for gnome in ubuntu...dunno about the general gnome palns04:33
quietdoes Ubuntu have KDE? as in, can I apt-get it?04:33
thoreauputicquiet: you can04:33
ograquiet: unsupported, but its there04:33
quietok..i was just wondering.. i'm perfectly happy with gnome04:34
t3ch_thangcool, the acpci way seems the best way, as you can modify the scripts that each uses...04:34
ograquiet: there is also just forming a kubuntu community project04:34
amhwell its time to give this a try, thanks for all the help04:34
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thoreauputicogra: heh - kubuntu ! (the k is obligatory, I guess ;) )04:35
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ograyup... *g* its funny04:35
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thoreauputicsomehow, gubuntu never happened ....04:35
ogragnome has dropped the G everywhere it was possible04:35
anirorga: what do u mean?04:36
thoreauputicI wish everything wasn't gnome-someapp  though04:36
ograanir: kde puts a K in front of every app name04:36
housetiergnu = gnome's new ubunut04:36
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anirorga: okay04:36
ograhousetier: i dont think rms would agree04:37
housetierrms is not an agreeable type of person to begin with04:37
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thoreauputicogra: he's waiting for ubuntu/HURD I guess ;)04:37
ogranext year04:37
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Riddellthoreauputic: we'll happily welcome any better names than kubuntu04:38
thoreauputicRiddell: kubuntu is OK - just kidding really :)04:39
housetierRiddell ubuntu 2k? :D04:39
ograans haggai already made a nice branding for it.....04:39
thoreauputichousetier: better than ubuntu ME anyway ;)04:39
Riddellthoreauputic: it's a daft name in my opinion04:39
ograthoreauputic: you mean ubuntu 3000 ?04:39
thoreauputicRiddell: kubuntu you mean? Well, it's kind of amusing but not really likely to inspire respect04:40
anirif i install KDE instead of GNOME will i get any problem??04:40
thoreauputicanir: only the problem of running KDE *grin*04:41
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ograanir: the gnome tools are not integrated.....04:41
ograanir: i mean the system/admin stuff.....but else i dont think so...04:41
anirwhich linux distros run on KDE?04:42
ograanir: and even thins will change for hoarys kubuntu i guess04:42
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ograanir: nearly all04:42
anirwhat is kubuntu??04:42
thoreauputicogra: I turned off kdebug but KDE *still* pollutes my nice clean aterm with messages :/04:42
ograanir: an attempt to make ubuntu kde based04:43
aniroh.. it looks good in GNOME..what do u say04:43
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ograthoreauputic: wow, you need kde to run aterm ?04:43
fgubuntuhello all04:43
ograanir: i'm using it _because_ of gnome04:43
thoreauputicogra: other way around - I need aterm to run KDE *g*04:43
anirhey i want to install linspire in the same system where i have ubuntu and win98SE...will i get any problem??04:44
ograthoreauputic: heard of kdm ? its a starter for aterm (and the surrounding stuff)04:45
ograanir: win will wipe your bootrecord....04:45
thoreauputicogra: yeah... another Amusing Misuse of Resources  ( Amor) :)04:45
ograanir:else it should work fine04:45
anirokay orga..if i only install two linux??04:45
ograanir: shouldnt be a prob04:46
etorixyou can install as many linux as u like04:46
anircan u tell me ogra what linspire uses?04:46
Riddellanir: won't be a problem (but best to install win98 first if it isn't already)04:46
ograanir: what for ? desktop ?04:46
aniryes riddell i know the order..(thankfully..)lol04:46
Riddellanir: it uses a cut down version of KDE with mozilla04:47
thoreauputicanir: Linspire uses a corrupted version of KDE with appropriated GNOME apps as well ...04:47
ograanir: i think they do it similar to RH04:47
Laurhy someone from romania?04:47
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ograanir: trying to make gnome apps like kde apps and use both04:47
ikarohi everyone.04:47
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anirhey guys .. u sound like linspire is not a good choice...???04:47
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ftwighi - fixed my system - ta - not trying to break it again ;)04:48
thoreauputicanir: depends what you like/want to do04:48
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aniri have ordered a set of linspire cds yesterday04:48
anirthoreauputic: what can i do with linspire??04:48
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Riddellanir: what version and are you a linspire insider?04:48
Tsjoklatthoreauputic, see you laters04:48
anirAnyone have used linspire??04:48
anirno riddel.. i am totally new to linux environment.. just 2 weeks old04:49
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NaitoNekoNeed Help about the password of the root04:49
jdz_Hi there04:50
NaitoNekois it default?04:50
jdz_There actually is no root password, the account is disabled by default04:50
anirRiddell: i am facing a problem.. well will the openoffice files run on office XP???04:50
NaitoNekoHow can i enable it ?04:50
jdz_You can use sudo for everything, or use sudo to set a root password if you wish to use it04:50
NaitoNekoThanx ..... A lot man04:50
NaitoNeko u help me a lot04:50
anirwhat does sudo means???04:51
NaitoNekobut how can i sudo a root pas04:51
quietumm... guys.. i'm having issues with loggin out of gnome.. i just get a black screen and nothing happens..04:51
jdz_If you don't know about sudo - it's worth looking into04:51
ftwigNaitoNeko: there is a page on the ubuntu wiki - hand go04:51
Nick_JackedAnyone seeing sound problems with Audigy cards after upgrading. I am getting no sound.04:51
NaitoNekoJAJAJ ok04:51
quietI can't Ctl+Alt+Backspace or anything...04:51
NaitoNeko iwill try04:51
NaitoNeko cya04:51
NaitoNeko :P04:51
Riddellanir: tell openoffice to save as Word/Excel files and you can open them with MS Office04:51
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anirriddell: cool .. thank you..04:51
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Nick_JackedAnyone seeing sound problems with Audigy cards after upgrading. I am getting no sound.04:52
anirriddell: so is the vice-versa also possible??04:52
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Riddellanir: open office can also open MS Word and Excel files04:53
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Riddelland Powderpoint files I think04:53
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anirriddell: cool.. my problem is solved04:53
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Laurhy someone from romania?04:53
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ftwigNaitoNeko: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo/04:53
anirlinux is getting better day by day04:54
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Nick_JackedAnyone seeing sound problems with Audigy cards after upgrading. I am getting no sound.04:54
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anirwill it support 64 bit processor??04:54
anirwell i dont know why the heck i want to use 64 bit processor.. but lets try it..04:55
anirAnyone using 64 bit processor??04:56
housetiera friend is04:56
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housetierand a friend of a friend's acquaintance04:56
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anirhousetier: so can u tell me a bit about the perf??04:56
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Nick_Jackedanir, not with Ubuntu04:57
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anirNick_Jacked: so ubuntu will not support 64 bit???04:57
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housetieranir well his laptop was really fast, but the distro was somewhat unstable04:57
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anirhousetier: which distro he uses??04:57
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Nick_Jackedanir, yes if you get the X86_64 version.04:58
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thoreauputicanir: thay charge to install a lot of software (convenience thing)04:58
thoreauputicanir: Linspire click-n-run is basically a convenient one-click implementation of apt, which both debian and ubuntu use04:58
thoreauputicthe difference is they charge for the convenience and don't really acknowledge the source of the software enough04:58
housetieranir I don't remember, I don't think its important...04:58
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anirNick_Jacked: is it available for free or i have to pay for it??04:58
thoreauputicwell, that killed the conversation... sorry for the off-topic rant04:58
Nick_Jackedanir, it is free. Download it at ubuntulinux.com or go there and order CDs04:59
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anirNick_Jacked: well i dont think that cd will be shiped here04:59
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ograanir: why not ?04:59
anirorga: i am from India05:00
ograanir: dont you recieve mail where you live ?05:00
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ograanir: i think there already were shipments to india05:00
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anirorga: do i have to pay for the cds?? well if i have to pay in $s or by credit cards it will a problem for me05:00
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thenukeanir: no, it's all free :)05:01
ograanir: it is absolutely free, including the shipment05:01
anircool.. let me order today05:01
anirorga: where i will order??05:01
ograanir: order 100 and give them away, saves costs05:01
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ograanir: shipit.ubuntu.com05:02
anirorga: i did not get you05:02
anirorga: order 100???05:02
anirorga: okay to my friends???05:02
ograanir: order more then you need and share them, saves shipping costs...else ubuntu has to pay for each single cd05:02
sladenanir: order 1 CD for yourself and 99 to give away to other people05:02
thoreauputicanir: spread the Ubuntu around ;)05:03
sladenanir: it's only 1x postage cost (and postage costs more than the CDs)05:03
anirare all distros free??05:03
sladenanir: as in is Freedom, or free as in money?05:03
thoreauputicanir: most are "free as in freedom", and most are gratis as well05:03
anirlol ... money.. i mean to order05:03
ograanir: not like that... ;) ubuntu is unique in shiping for free05:03
sladenanir: you must be kidding05:03
anirsladen: why?05:04
anirwell ubuntu comes in 1 cd???05:04
thoreauputicanir: This is a different world - we don't have Bill Gates so we don't have to subsidise mansions and private jets ;)05:05
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sladenthoreauputic: *ahem*... private jets05:05
anirthoreauputic: lol thats a nice one.. thats why i see in all(well most) of the wallpaper that tux shoots bill gates05:05
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sladenthoreauputic: *ahem*... mansions05:06
fgubuntui've hp compaq nx9000 laptop, custom install, sound does not work. i have alsa-base alsa-headers alsa-utils installed. what's missing? lspci is good ( can see my sound card )05:06
ografgubuntu: did you look at the laptop page ? at the wiki ?05:06
thoreauputicsladen: *grin*05:06
anirguys when the new version of ubuntu is coming?? April??05:07
ografgubuntu: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops05:07
ografgubuntu: add your experiences there, if its not already05:07
ograugh...who broke the layout....05:08
anirorga: when the next version of  ubuntu is releasing??05:08
anirorga: wats new??05:09
fgubuntuogra: yes, i read it, but it seems sound should work out of the box wit a default install.i made custom, anyway. thx05:09
anirwhat is more we will get..(we already have so much)..orga05:09
ografgubuntu: but why ?05:10
ografgubuntu: default is just fine...sound, X etc work out of the box with it (normally)05:10
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ograanir: look for hoary goals in the wiki05:11
anirorga: is hoary is better than wiki05:11
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ograanir: hoary is the name of the next release....05:11
fgubuntuogra: i switched from fedora to ubuntu because i like a system where i can install only software i really need.05:12
ograanir: wiki is this: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/05:12
ografgubuntu: so you should have gone with the default ;)05:12
fgubuntuogra: it's more than 1 Gb!05:12
ografgubuntu: its really slim ang has a gerat integration of everything you need05:13
ografgubuntu: you are a fluxbox user ?05:13
anirwell i am getting the idea that linux is not windows..they why Tux shoots only Bill Gates...lol05:13
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quietwhere do i go to install a new icon set?05:14
ografgubuntu: the base sys is between 200 and 300 mb.....plus a basic gnome, openoffice and firefox.....