WeirdAlAh! Even better...12:00
WeirdAlMost of the time, just sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace warty with hoary.12:01
WeirdAlBut in some cases, the URL is slightly different, so check that link.12:01
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QMarioHow do I restart SWAT?12:01
L3th3Manto, on synaptic > repository list > change all "warty" for "hoary"12:01
L3th3Manto, thats all12:01
L3th3Mante, on synaptic > repository list > change all "warty" for "hoary"12:01
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t3rrorthanks wierdal12:02
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blue-freakhi @ all12:02
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QMarioHow do I restart SWAT?12:02
anteL3th3M: thx, i already edited sources.list12:04
QMarioHow do I restart SWAT?12:04
blue-freaksry no idea12:04
i3dmasterQMario: restart xinetd or inetd should work12:04
roo_QMario, once is enough.12:04
blue-freakcan anyone help me with ubuntu and prism54 ?12:04
QMarioWhat commands do I use?12:05
L3th3Mante, ok12:05
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airmikeyok anyone get gdesklets loaded12:05
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i3dmasterL3th3M: /etc/init.d/inetd(xinetd) restart12:05
L3th3MWho use mono?12:05
QMarioNever mind!12:05
pdomsWhat's the mount option so every mofo on my system can r/w on the disk?12:06
ArniaL3th3M: I use mono... why?12:06
L3th3Mi3dmaster, ah?12:06
roo_L3th3M, i do.12:06
blue-freakrw ?12:06
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i3dmasterthoreauputic: thanks man! It is much better!12:06
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thoreauputici3dmaster: heh - you're welcome12:06
blue-freakanyone ? prism54 ?12:06
L3th3MI am newbie on develop, and I want to try with mono12:06
L3th3MI do not know where to start12:07
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thoreauputicL3th3M: why not start on something like Python first?12:08
L3th3Mjust I know that I can combine glade with gtk#12:08
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L3th3Mgood idea, but I dont know python12:08
ArniaPython is an easier language to learn than C#12:09
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Joostif you install files with apt-get, where do they get installed?12:09
thoreauputicL3th3M: http://python.org/12:09
Joostnewbie here, sorry ;)12:09
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jefishow to check file system?12:09
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jefisit in a minute ago hanged :(12:09
thoreauputicJoost: the binaries mostly in /usr/bin12:09
mcphailJoost: all over the place12:10
jefisHow to check file system, fix errors12:10
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thoreauputicjefis: man fsck12:10
pdomscan anyone give me the right fstab options for to mount a disk so every user can do everything please?12:10
noblehello guys12:10
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thoreauputicpdoms: this is a Very BAd Idea (tm)12:10
pdomsthoreauputic, what's tm?12:11
pdomsto me?12:11
WeirdAltrade mark _12:11
thoreauputicpdoms: a joke on trademarks12:11
pdomshihi =)12:11
mcphailJoost: from synaptic, right click on a package -> properties -> installed files12:11
thoreauputicpdoms: but it is a bad idea :)12:11
WeirdAlVery Bad Idea (tm) is what you say when it's really not a good idea at all :-)12:11
WeirdAlbelieve it or not12:11
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Joostthanks, i'll try that mcphail12:12
pdomsIt's in the options right, where the permissions come from for users?12:12
thoreauputicpdoms: don't do it12:12
jefisthoreauputic: there is one more untility, but i don't remmeber, do you?12:12
stefansavahi!.......................can anyone help me install TOTEM-XINE on Warty 4.01 from SOURCE code tar.bz2 ?????????????????????????????????????????   plsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss12:12
pdomsthoreauputic, it's my box, and other people need rw 2 =)12:12
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thoreauputicpdoms: *shrug*12:13
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noble3sorry i got kicked12:13
noble3one question - when will hoary stable be available12:13
pdomsthoreauputic,  really wasup? :)12:13
thoreauputicstefansava: after that performance, i doubt it :)12:13
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stefansavawhat do U mean?12:13
Arniapdoms: They won't need read-write across everything though. Doing this will make your box incredibly vunerable12:13
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libbenisnt marillat a warty resp? is it ok do have it in also?12:14
airmikeyNo package 'gconf-2.0' found12:14
airmikeyits loaded12:14
thoreauputicstefansava: you don't need to compile it - it's in the repositories12:14
jefisHow to check file system for errors after hard reboot?12:14
pdomsArnia, it's for one specifiq Harddisk, one from windows ;)12:14
WeirdAlCan anyone tell me what's happened to my gproftpd user list?12:14
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pdomsnot the disk where ubuntu is installed on12:14
noble3does someone know whenn hoary stable torrent is available?12:14
WeirdAlI kicked myself from the server so I could restart the transfer, I can't get back in, and there are no users on the list.12:15
jefisHow to check file system for errors after hard reboot? :)12:15
pdomsthe data on that disk needs to be accessed and modified from windows & linux, so i say r/w for every1 on that disk?12:15
stefansavaI dont know "repositories"12:15
WeirdAlAnd I can't find the user type config files to see if I'm banned.12:15
njanpdoms, umask=0 in the fstab options12:16
pdomsrepositories are dope12:16
pdomsthank you njan12:16
thoreauputicstefansava: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view12:16
thoreauputicstefansava: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats12:16
burgermannnity nity everone12:16
jefisHow to check file system for errors after hard reboot? :)12:16
libbenthoreauputic, isnt marillat a warty thing only or is it ok to use with horay?12:16
noble3does someone know whenn hoary stable torrent is available? :-D12:17
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thoreauputicstefansava: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto12:17
pdomscheers guys12:17
osityis it hard to setup mirroring on a ubuntu server?12:17
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osityor is it a stadard setup?12:17
thoreauputiclibben: read the restricted formats page i posted for stefansava12:17
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noble3it looks like nobody can give me facts12:18
noble3i wish a good nicht form austria12:18
thoreauputicnoble3: about Friday12:18
ositytry #facts12:18
stefansavabut I tried to install it with synaptic pack  man......and I cant find it12:18
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thoreauputicnoble3: the channel is kind of busy right now12:18
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osityroo: you here?12:18
noble3thoreauputic: i thougt the release will be available since 6th april12:18
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noble3thoreauputic: i see12:18
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thoreauputicnoble3: *sigh* I just gave you the latest news, OK?12:19
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noble3thoreauputic: okok, i know it and say thank you12:19
thoreauputicnoble3: you're welcome12:19
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noble3good night guys till next time12:19
netbixi have a question ?12:20
netbixbecause reportbug does not work well12:20
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stefansavathoreauputic:    but I tried to install it with synaptic pack  man......and I cant find it12:20
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netbixin my system crashed when formatting email for send mail12:20
thoreauputicstefansava: read *all* the pages I posted for you and do what they say12:21
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thoreauputicstefansava: especially the restricted formats one12:21
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thoreauputicstefansava: and be sure to reload synaptic12:22
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mackidhey all.. i see when i do an apt-get dist-upgrade that gcc-4.0 is available.. i said No to install everything though.  Are there any problems with doing a dist-upgrade at this point?  I'm running hoary-preview12:23
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dazed|thoreauputic, hey i know i have to turn off all other repos but do i have to change the cd repo to install hoary on warty when doing from cd?12:24
marskaHas anyone here gotten MLDONKEY to work?12:25
thoreauputicdazed|: I don't follow you: just change warty to hoary, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade12:25
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dazed|change warty to hoary in the sources and thats it?12:26
luxiIs today stil the big day ?12:26
thoreauputicdazed|: that's it12:26
dazed|thoreauputic, i am on 56k connection so i downloaded the install cd of hoary and now i want to upgrade via cd not repos\12:26
thoreauputicdazed|: ah I see12:26
thoreauputicdazed|: you can only get stuff from "main" that way12:27
dazed|thoreauputic: oh so id still have to upgrade a lot once installed hoary?12:27
thoreauputicdazed|: in other words, anything you installed on warty wouldn't get updated12:28
thoreauputicif it was from net repos12:28
marskaSo what p2p apps do you guys use?12:28
dazed|stupid dorm...only dorm on campus with out accesss to campus internet12:28
thoreauputicdazed|: on dial-up, you are looking at a long wait12:28
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dazed|like years12:29
thoreauputicdazed|: I feel your pain - I'm on dialup too :)12:29
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Bazzidorm without campus internet - lol12:30
BazziI wouldnt live there12:30
marskaCollege without internet...12:30
libbenthe AddingRepositoriesHowto is not really complete written... still gets confused when it dont match the things he claims.12:30
marskaWell.. At least there is no chance of being caught downloading illegal stuff.12:30
thoreauputicBazzi: be thankful you aren't in the third world then12:30
marskaIn the long run, your being saved time and money.12:30
Bazzithoreauputic I am.12:30
dazed|thoreauputic, lol welll how bout this could i upgrade to hoary via cd and then net repo my other stuff or will it upgrade hoary from net repos automatically?12:30
marskaBazzi: Arizona is not the third world.12:31
Bazziis it not?12:31
John--it could be12:31
John--I'm sure some parts are pretty third world12:31
thoreauputicBazzi: only culturally ;)12:31
marskaThor: By those standards, so is California and most of the US.12:31
thoreauputicBazzi: it could be worse - you could be in Arkansas ;)12:31
Bazzimarska yep =)12:31
John--I live way too close to Arkansas12:32
marskaI'm still trying to petition to bomb California, Texas, Arizona, Montana, and all the southern US.12:32
marskaIts not like we need it or anything.12:32
John--let me leave the state first12:32
marskaJohn: What would be the point then ;)12:33
Bazzithe whole US should be bombed.12:33
thoreauputicwell, I'm losing it here...time to sleep - bye everyone !12:33
Bazziit's not that we need it or anything12:33
John--I'm not one of the ignorant sheep12:33
John--give me a chance ;)12:33
marskaJohn: I am firm believer in Eugenics. Mainly that means everyon ELSE should die horribly.12:34
libbenman... no wonder i couldent find gtypist from debian =) they packed it to junior-typing with both tuxtype o gtype =) hmm...12:34
John--yeah, I used to be like that. Until I realized I need others to feel pain, so I can feel pleasure12:34
John--not as a sadist12:34
marskaAh.. Live around losers and be their King?12:34
John--but because it's funny12:34
John--infact I'd say most of the people I am around would suffer without me12:35
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John--not because I'm someone great, it's just they're rather... unintelligent12:35
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libbenhow do i unmark all deps that was getting on when i clicked aplied... and then i hitted cancel cause i dont wanna install the thing... do i need to manualy look at all deps and search them up and unmark them?12:36
BeatrixKiddosomebody tell me why I should use Ubuntu.12:36
John--it's better than windows me?12:37
kentlibben, perhaps restart the application? Then they will go away..12:37
BeatrixKiddoI am using XP12:37
John--either way12:37
John--I don't know, what made you look into ubuntu?12:37
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John--even look into linux12:37
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libbenkent, lol =) yeah... forgot that solution... DUH =)12:38
BeatrixKiddomy friend told me he uses it12:38
John--dependability is probably the biggest reason I decided on ubuntu12:38
John--consistent updates12:38
John--I liked that12:38
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John--none of that "security hole found, *2 weeks later* 'yeah we're working on a patch'"12:39
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SirFunkhmm... is there no mono for hoary64?12:39
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libbenFFS... now im pissed =)12:40
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John--pissed as in angry, or pissed as in drunk?12:40
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apokryphosSirFunk: I don't think there is, no.12:41
libbenive installed flashplayer-mozilla and flashplugin-nonfree and I still get that i dont have flash installed and i click on install plugin button that pops up... and it still tells me there is no flashplugin avaible12:41
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_phoenix3051_do the "normal" firefox extensions work with the hoary64 version of firefox?12:41
SirFunkapokryphos: any idea why?12:41
Arthurcan someone help me install .deb packages12:41
tarasbulbadpkg -i packagename.deb12:42
apokryphosSirFunk: none I'm afraid; drop a suggestion on the mailing list or on the Ubuntu-MOTU page12:42
ArthurI have several *.deb packages, and I'm not sure how to install them.  New Linux user, just to let you all know.12:42
tarasbulbahello,anyone succeeded to compling and booting with a new kernel in 5.04?12:43
apokryphosPyre: tell SirFunk ubumotu12:44
PyreSirFunk: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTU12:44
tarasbulbai have a terrible kernel panic :(12:44
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apokryphosSirFunk: "Masters of the Universe" -- mono is in Universe, so best to contact them. Drop a line in suggested packages12:44
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jason__anyone know where ubuntu puts non-free packages?12:46
zxv_is there a web interface where i can search through the ubuntu package repositories?12:46
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Huafa Anyone can tell me what is the diff in debian and ubuntu?12:46
tarasbulbai have a "Kernel panic: UFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)"12:46
tarasbulbait will be nice to hear what is .diff12:47
libbensorry all... flash seemed to work =) it was java that fucked it all up =)12:47
libbendident occur to me to try more then my favorite flash site =)12:47
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whiskersman that was a real job....i finally got gimpshop compiled for win98 and it looks just as nice there as on ubuntu12:48
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whiskersthis is terrific....lots of competition12:49
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libbeni like photoshop =) just because i master it fully =) but that would make it even easier to understand gimp... havent launched gimp yet =) but i intend to when im about to mod a wallpaper12:50
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whiskerslibben, well gimpshop is no photoshop...by any stretch of the imagination....it is just a scanner and printing tool for cameras and stuff12:50
libbenooh =) ment gimp =)12:51
whiskersi have never seen photoshop but for $700 i expect it is very high quality12:51
libbenvery compact and full with features =)12:51
libbengimp looks the same...12:51
John--I love photoshop12:51
housetierI have seen photoshop and I wouldnt pay that much money12:51
libbenme either =)12:51
libbenbut i love it =)12:52
whiskersanyway....for me i settle for the free stuff like gimpshop for windows, and clamav for windows 9812:52
John--I wouldn't pay that much for a dog12:52
whiskersi don't understand the stuff anyway12:52
John--or even a kid12:52
housetierI like adobe's menu shuffler; they apply it whenever they release a new version12:52
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_phoenix3051_using gnome and hoary64 is there an application that will show/mount partions on my disk like kde on knoppix? or do I just mount them manually?12:55
kingsleyWhich backup utility, if any, can maintain rolling incremental backups, like rdiff-backup, but of a Microsoft file system?12:55
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flipyi'm using an asus laptot which has a "fn" key to enable more funcionality, is there any way to configure them?12:55
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libben!teve tv412:56
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libbenI wonder if they will ship some more icons with ubunt updating =)12:58
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YomicGah! Something is wrong with my keyboard when I type. Sometimes when I am typing, words wiiiiiilllllll cooomme ouoouuuttt lliiikkkee thiiiisss.12:59
John--new keyboard perhaps12:59
roo_^ agreed12:59
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John--that or try to cut down on masturbating and ejaculating on the keyboard12:59
John--give it a nice clean too12:59
John--17:59 < Yomic> Gah! Something is wrong with my keyboard when I type.01:00
John--               Sometimes when I am typing, words wiiiiiilllllll cooomme01:00
YomicOkay :P (To the cleaning part.)01:00
flipyhow can i log as root?01:00
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flipyin hoary?01:00
Yomicflipy: There is no root.01:00
roo_flipy, "sudo" followed by your user password grants you root priveledges.01:00
flipywell... moving from gentoo to have a linux distro working on my laptop...01:00
EvilIdlerRoot took the wrong pill.01:00
Yomicuse 'sudo' before your commands to use 'root' commands01:01
i3dmasterYomic: well there is a root, you just are not setup to logon as root bedefault I think01:01
flipyuhm... i see01:01
flipyjust last thing, why it isn't installed gcc? i mean... i really need to compile some stuff... since i'm new to this distro, doing a gcc --version doesn't show anything...01:02
ekwinixhow do i use apt-get to install a .deb package that's in my home directory ?01:02
Nekohayosay, is it really normal that the debian marillat repository always annoys me with the GPG errors? aren't debian repositories GPGed?01:02
Nekohayoekwinix, use the dpkg -i command01:02
Burgundaviathey are01:02
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zshznhow would I get mp3s to work for me?01:03
EvilIdlerNekohayo: Happens to me all the time. The AMD64 repository is broken, too01:03
YomicAlso, when my keyboard 'lags' my menus can only be opened by holding down the button.01:03
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Mr-Petahhi all01:03
NekohayoEvilIdler, thanks. Besides, is there a way to tell synaptic to NOT popup that annoying error everytime?01:03
YomicWhen it is usually open with a simple click.01:03
roo_flipy, gcc isnt installed because most users dont compile software. you can install it easily though by installing the "build-essential" package01:03
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EvilIdlerNekohayo: The error is from apt, so I would check the apt-get manpage01:03
flipyroo_, oh i see, thanks!01:04
apokryphosekwinix: well, why would you want to? Why not use dpkg?01:04
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Mr-Petahi can,t find glib 1.2.10, where get it?01:04
Mr-Petah(sry 4 my english)01:05
ekwinixapokryphos, it's not that. its just that i'm new to this and wasnt sure what to use. i didnt even know of dpkg :)01:05
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kkathmangreetings all :)01:05
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EvilIdlerekwinix: dpkg is the core of the package system, and apt is just a shell around it to sort dependencies and downloading from repositories.01:05
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apokryphosekwinix: ok, no worries. :) dpkg -i <packagename>01:05
EvilIdlerekwinix: aptituade and Synaptic are common shells around that again :)01:06
kkathmanthose of you that are on the hoary release, other than commenting out those two lines in the sources.list, do I need to really make any other changes to that file?01:06
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zshznI'm having trouble getting mp3s to play01:08
crimsunkkathman: you shouldn't have to comment out any lines.01:08
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apokryphoszshzn: what's the problem?01:08
YomicWhat the... Firefox MISSED a POP-UP *_*01:08
loaofwar3hi i just successfully installed the fglrx driver for radeon but now i have trouble configuring the screen resolution01:08
crimsunzshzn: with what program?01:08
kerskinezshzn:  did you download the mp3 plugin?01:08
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zshznhaven't downloaded the mp3 plugin, from where would I get it?01:09
crimsunzshzn: make sure the output is set to the esound plugin if you're in gnome01:09
apokryphosPyre: tell zshzn uburestricted01:09
Pyrezshzn: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats01:09
kerskinezshzn: looking01:09
kkathmancrimsun ok...there were a couple at the top that said to uncomment them when hoary went "stable"01:09
apokryphoszshzn: essentially, you only need the gstreamer0.8-mad package01:09
kerskinezshzn: yeah - that01:09
loaofwar3it gives this error message everytime i try to click the screen resolution option: The X Server does not support the XRandR extension.  Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available.01:09
loaofwar3anyone know how to fix this?01:09
zshznhow would I get gstreamer0.8-mad? I am new to the package system01:10
Burgundavialoaofwar3: if you are using ATI prop drivers, then you can't01:10
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flipyis there any way to compile the kernel without going to the console?01:10
apokryphoszshzn: Check out that link above, it walks you through it. Anymore trouble, just ask01:10
loaofwar3how can i configure the screen resolution then?01:10
zshznI've looked at the link01:10
loaofwar3watdo u mean ati prop driver?01:10
GhostFreemanAnyone else having Firefox crash on them when they start it up01:11
SirFunkhmm... no java plugin for hoary?01:11
kkathmanGhostFreeman, I didnt what are you experiencing?  Any errors?01:11
apokryphoszshzn: and?01:11
GhostFreemanEvery time I start up Firefox, it just sits there and I haveta force quit it01:11
Burgundavialoaofwar3: unforunately, you have to edit /etc/xorg.conf01:12
GhostFreemanIt's been acting up as of late01:12
Burgundavialoaofwar3: the ATI driver that the company puts out for 3D01:12
kkathmanGhostFreeman, what version of Ubuntu and what version of Firefox?01:12
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zshznapokryphos, it says install gstreamer, I'm not sure how to do that with the package system.01:12
apokryphosGhostFreeman: that's likely the problem ;-). Get thou Hoary.01:12
kkathmanGhostFreeman, exactly .. what apok said01:13
GhostFreemanFF 1.0.201:13
apokryphoszshzn: Ok. Ubuntu uses the Debian package management system -- apt. To install things, you can either use apt (command line) or a graphical front-end (synaptic). I recommend you use synaptic to do so.01:13
GhostFreemanI'll use Mozilla for now, until Hoary goes final01:13
kkathmanGhostFreeman, yes I think there are issues with 1.0.2 and Warty...I had a difficult time withit myself01:13
loaofwar3ok i see01:13
zshznapokryphos, would it be something like 'apt-get install gstreamer' ?01:13
apokryphoszshzn: Go into Synaptic, from the menu go to Repositories, check that "Universe" is enabled, then "Reload", then Find that package, and install away.01:13
loaofwar3how would i change my refresh rate then?01:13
GhostFreemanI see01:14
apokryphoszshzn: you could use that too, if you want... sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad01:14
loaofwar3Burgundavia: how could i change my refresh rate?01:14
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loaofwar3anyone know how i could change my refresh rate on my monitor?01:15
apokryphosloaofwar3: you have to do it from your xorg.conf file, but can't say I know exactly where to get it. Generally, you should get the option for it when doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg01:15
loaofwar3ok thanks01:15
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juserloaofwar3, change the monitor, or change the system to work with your monitor?01:15
loaofwar3change the refresh rate of the monitor01:15
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zshznapokryphos, okay, that seems to install it, but then when I try xmms it freezes01:16
GhostFreemanATI needs to get better programmers01:16
apokryphoszshzn: I don't use xmms, but hmm.. did you try restarting before using it?01:16
EvilIdlerloaofwar3: You'll need the monitor manual. Change the refresh rates in the Monitor section to the right ones.01:16
apokryphoszshzn: you should :)01:17
CarlJloaofwar3, most monitors don't have that option, (not sure any do) other than they will adapt to what the card is sending, but only up to a limit.01:17
zshznalright, I'll go do that01:17
libbenits about 66 updates from this morning and counting =)01:17
CarlJso FireFox just preseneted me with "A scritp on this page is causing Firefox to run slowly.  bla bla bla... Do you want to abort the script? Cancel, OK."  which will abort, which will let it run?01:18
roo_CarlJ, OK01:18
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CarlJif anyone wants to know, you can run on 64meg.. you just get stupid warings now and then01:20
CarlJi think OK canceled01:20
GhostFreemancan Ubuntu run out of memory to work in?01:20
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zshznapokryphos, restart didn't help01:21
CarlJGhostFreeman, yes, but first it will start using swap, and then it will stop caching, then it will start killing processes that it thinks can be sacrified01:21
apokryphoszshzn: it crashes again?01:21
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zshznit just freezes up and wont respond01:22
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apokryphoszshzn: hmm. Are you running hoary? And, are you sure the files you're trying to play have valid paths?01:22
GhostFreemanthat's cool01:22
flipyhow can i tell ubuntu to not use some packages? (for example CUPS - and all stuff related)01:22
apokryphosThough, ideally, it still shouldn't freeze up01:22
CarlJGhostFreeman, but things will get really slow01:22
GhostFreemanI don't think I need to worry, I have about a gig of memory01:23
zshznapokryphos, yes using hoary, and I'd assume its a valid path01:23
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gustavorjust upgraded to hoary, but I don't get the splash screen... how do I enable it?01:23
CarlJflipy, when you do the install, do "server" and then just install what you do want01:23
apokryphosgustavor: you would have to install it.01:23
apokryphosPyre: tell gustavor usplash01:23
Pyregustavor: http://wiki.nanofreesoft.org/index.php/UsplashHowDoesItWork01:23
apokryphoszshzn: After it's stopped responding, did you kill it?01:24
flipyCarlJ, do server? i don't get it.. the fact is that i've already installed that so i just want to disable some packages, that means to reinstall ubuntu from scratch?01:24
zshznapokryphos, yes01:24
CarlJneat - can anyone use that box?01:24
gustavorok.. I thougth it was default on Hoary.. thanks01:24
CarlJflipy, - then apt-get remove01:24
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apokryphoszshzn: sorry, but not quite sure then. Don't use it myself so hard to articulate problems here01:24
flipyCarlJ, isn't the synaptics a better way to do it?01:25
flipyCarlJ, because it controls dependencies...01:25
yoguiare all ubuntu package works on debian ?01:25
apokryphosflipy: they both do. Synaptic is only a GUI front-end for apt.01:25
CarlJflipy, pretty sure synaptics is just a GUI to control apt01:25
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flipywell, i understand that01:25
CarlJeven more sure now ;)01:25
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flipywhat i dont understand is why if i try to unistall cups it wants to unistall a lot of packages too...01:26
apokryphosflipy: I recommend trying out beep-media-player; I've heard quite a few praises about it in the channel. It's basically a fork of xmms, with gtk.01:26
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CarlJflipy, unless you have spent time configuring things, I would just reinstall - it is so easy01:26
apokryphosflipy: because it likely depends on many others.01:26
GhostFreemanhow about a freeform skin audip player01:26
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GhostFreemani'm sick and tired of xmms01:26
CarlJor the other way around - other things depend on cps, so no cups and they go too01:27
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EvilIdlerDoesn't XMMS already use Gtk?01:27
apokryphosGhostFreeman: go for amaroK :P01:27
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apokryphosEvilIdler: yeah, it does. Darn; forgot the difference with bmp01:27
GhostFreemanoh and beep-media-player no longer shows the playlist01:27
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GhostFreemanjust a 1px bar01:27
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yoguiare all ubuntu package works on debian ?01:27
flipyCarlJ, that seems useless... so if someday i want to unistall something it will try to unistall all it's dependencies?01:27
BicchiThere is a calendar that shows the official release date of Ubuntu 5.04. Does anyone knows the date or the calendar url?01:27
zerokarmaleftapril 8th01:28
apokryphosBicchi: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule01:28
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snyboleCould someone tell me if it's possible to get the same watch working in ubunt as this one: http://www.gentoo.org/images/shots/olson.png , a name perhaps so I know where to download f.ex.01:28
xuzoGhostFreeman: try eina http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=60901:28
marskaHello.. I've tried numerous p2p apps but I have not been able to get even one to work. I was wondering if someone would be so kind as to assist me in this?01:28
EvilIdlerflipy: CUPs is the core printing system. Programs that rely on print would require it.01:29
CarlJflipy,  - I think so.  otherwise you are left with things that don't work01:29
yoguiare all ubuntu package works on debian ?01:29
pussfellermarska, or bittorent01:29
pussfellercant screw up bittorent01:29
flipyuhm since i'm comming from gentoo I guess I'm a bit used to it01:29
AgolnHey everyone... first time ubuntu user and well, some-what new to linux here... I was wondering if there was an easy way to get the kernel sources w/o much hassle... such as by apt-get or synaptic01:29
marskapussfeller: MLDONKEY doesn't work for me. Bittorent isn't preferred.01:29
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CarlJhmm... server isntall, apt-get install xchat; doesn't look like it wants to install xorg - how does that work?01:29
apokryphosEvilIdler: I think the difference is it was compiled against GTK+201:30
BicchiSorry for asking this question here, but if i am going to be using kde instead of gnome should i download kubuntu instead of ubuntu. or it just doesn't matter the order?01:30
flipywell thank you guys01:30
flipynighty nigh :D01:30
GhostFreemanis xorg automatically installed with Hoary01:30
EvilIdlerapokryphos: Not a major difference, then01:30
apokryphosBicchi: order doesn't matter, if you intend on having both.01:30
apokryphosEvilIdler: nope.01:30
marskaI have had no luck with MLDONKEY01:30
marskaOr any of the other apps01:30
marskaEven Bittorrent has been sketchy.01:30
apokryphosmarska: for bittorrent? Azureus is the best out there...01:31
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corvixsomeone around foir drunken smalltalk ... #ubuntu-de01:31
YomicHaha; my dad thinks he can reformat this computer. (He is a windows luser.)01:31
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ions|2jabber.org down for any of you guys?01:31
WyzardNew Ubuntu user, coming from Debian sid...  I'm installing Ubuntu, and I'm surprised that it doesn't detect my 3c556B Ethernet card, but does detect a 3c575...  strange because both are supported by the same kernel module, 3c59x.ko01:31
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marskaapok: I would like some help to get MLDONKEY working..01:31
EvilIdlerions|2: Jabber's been up and down for some very much lately01:32
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ions|2EvilIdler: yeah it's always crapping out but do you know what it's status now?01:32
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PointwoodEvilIdler: use another server ;)01:32
EvilIdlerions|2: It's wotking for me01:32
apokryphosmarska: I installed it quite some time ago, so I wouldn't recall the procedure. Others on here might know; if you have no luck, I recommend trying in #mldonkey01:32
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Azathothjust trying out new hoary RC live CD on an iBook, works like a charm :)01:32
ions|2k thanks - trying to set up a new user and it's not liking it01:33
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apokryphosAzathoth: cool :)01:33
marskaApok: Did you have MLDONKEY working?01:33
CarlJAzathoth, do Applications, system, Ubuntu device Database01:33
Azathothi already have ;)01:34
Azathothfirst thing i did after booting01:34
Azathothstill, the fan doesn't stop spinning01:34
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Azathothso it's extremely loud compared to the complete silence when running OSX01:34
kkathmanapokryphos, question:  Does hoary automatically install any playback engines for Multimedia? Im just now getting around to getting the sound setup and I've tried both Kaffiene and AmarOK and both dont play back anything01:34
pussfelleri think theres a wine port for emule01:34
pussfelleror somesuch01:34
yoguiare all ubuntu package works on debian ?01:34
pussfelleramule is not so great01:35
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apokryphoskkathman: it should, yes; perhaps not for MP3s. What's going wrong? Does it suggest that they're playing...01:35
EvilIdleryogui: It's best not to mix them01:35
Wyzardyogui: Some might -- probably even most, but that's a guess -- but not all01:35
marskaSo no one else has expierence with MLDONKEY? Help would be greatley appreciated.01:35
pussfellersoulseek-nicotine works pretty much out of the box01:35
libbenHmm... i just added marillat to the sources and gpg it and all that.. now it update notifier says i have 3 new updates to download... but it contains woody in its name.... should i remove the marillat source? i only want ubuntu things... not things that is added from debian01:35
pussfellerwhats the specific problem with mldonkey01:35
kkathmanapokryphos, well, Kaffeine seems to indicate it cant find the AudioCD, Amarok can read the contents of the CD (audio cd) but theres no playback01:36
EvilIdlerlibben: Use Marillat as a deb-src instead, and build the packages01:36
CarlJ(how do you make the bot.. Pyre? tell someone about Restrictedformats?01:36
kkathmanapokryphos, I do have sound, because I get those little bell sounds when I open dialogs, etc01:36
apokryphoskkathman: this is not the live CD, right? Can you check whether you have the amaroK engines, and then use, say -- xine engine, and see if you can play an mp301:36
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apokryphoskkathman: right. So it seems to be an audioCD playing issue01:37
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snybolecould anyone help me? Need to know the name of http://www.gentoo.org/images/shots/olson.png .. The clock in the left upper corner01:37
kkathmanapokryphos, I have no engines for amarok, it doesnt list any01:37
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libbenEvilIdler, im not quite sure i understand what u mean... cause ive added the deb lines in sources for marillat01:37
roo_snybole, thats the E clock module01:37
apokryphoskkathman: alright, then install amarok-engines package01:37
marskapussfeller: Nicotine didn't for me01:37
kkathmanahh ok...just a regular apt-get?01:37
snyboleroo_: downloadable for ubuntu?01:37
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pussfelleryou sure its not routing troubles01:37
EvilIdlerlibben: It takes a little learning..are you prepared to increase your headmeat? ;)01:37
marskaPussfeller: Yes. Program didn't even load.01:38
pussfellercuase nicotine iw prety straight forward01:38
obe1anyone use ivtv drivers for hauppauge tv cards with ubuntu here?01:38
kkathmanapokryphos, thats just a regular apt-get then?01:38
EvilIdlerlibben: In the sources.list, make it deb-src instead of deb01:38
roo_snybole, err, i think u need to be using Enlightenment as your desktop (as opposed to Gnome, or KDE or whatever)01:38
marskaI'd like MLDONKEY anyway.. Well.. Is there anyone who wouldn't mind helping?01:38
apokryphoskkathman: that's right01:38
pussfellertheres #mldonkey01:38
snybolealrigt, thanks anyway roo_  :)01:38
marskaMldonkey is not really too helpful.01:38
roo_snybole, np :)01:38
libbenEvilIdler, done... and now what? do the gpg thing again?01:39
kkathmanapokryphos, should I install that amarok-xzine too? or does that come with the engines?01:39
EvilIdlerlibben: You build with apt-get -b source nameofpackage; not sure about the flags to automatically install them also01:39
EvilIdlerlibben: apt-get update first, though01:39
apokryphoskkathman: the amarok-engines metapackage pulls that in01:39
LinuxJonesLots of files updated today01:39
apokryphosLinuxJones: getting close ;-)01:39
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EvilIdlerlibben: I bet you'll get lots of errors on first attempt; it'll list the packages you need to get (build)01:40
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kkathmanapokryphos, okie dokie01:40
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EvilIdlerlibben: Packages listed as "whatever | somethingelse" means the first one is preferred, but the other one can be used instead01:40
LinuxJonesapokryphos, tomorrow .....muahhh01:41
apokryphosLinuxJones: no, Friday :P01:41
LinuxJonesapokryphos, eh ? I thought it wa the 6th :(01:41
libbeni failed to fetch two from sources.list01:41
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EvilIdlerLinuxJones: It was, but I guess they're a tad overworked01:41
apokryphosLinuxJones: nope, it was changed to the 8th to give more time for Gnome packaging01:42
LinuxJonesEvilIdler, I forgive them ;D01:42
apokryphosPyre: tell LinuxJones ubuschedule01:42
PyreLinuxJones: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule01:42
EvilIdlerWhee. DVDs play without me having to do the crazy libdvdcss dance.01:42
LinuxJonesapokryphos, the bot :)01:42
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apokryphosdun dun01:42
starhawkI am new to ubunta and tring to install the harray but the cd rom says cdrom failure am what am I doing wrong help(ashamed)01:42
LinuxJonesapokryphos, awesome01:42
loaofwar3hi i have a weird problem. i have an epson stylus 600 printer and everytime i try to print it prints out gibberish01:42
loaofwar3even the test page is gibberish01:43
loaofwar3it prints characters like $%GWSG@%01:43
EvilIdlerAck. Xine gets a SIGSEGV on going fullscreen :/01:43
libbenwhat was the gpg i typed ? encrypted key to get authed ?01:43
LinuxJonesapokryphos, is there anything on the wiki about Pyer ??01:44
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loaofwar3anyone know anything ?01:44
loaofwar3i have an epson stylus 600 printer and everytime i try to print it prints out gibberish01:44
starhawkare you sure you picked the right driver01:45
LinuxJonesloaofwar3, do you have the correct driver/model selected ?01:45
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apokryphosLinuxJones: Nah, he's not really that popular, and kinda basic ;-) -- only around 13 lil' functions.01:45
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fabienhi guys01:45
apokryphoshi :)01:45
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LinuxJonesapokryphos, would be nice to hook into the wiki page, hint hint01:45
fabiensay anybody know about d-link airplus support?01:46
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kbrooksPyre, help01:46
starhawkI am new to ubunta and tring to install the harray but the cd rom says cdrom failure am what am I doing wrong help(ashamed)01:46
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apokryphoskbrooks: if you open up a query and type "help" he'll display possible commands01:46
LinuxJonesstarhawk, what kind of cdrom drive do you have usb ?01:46
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apokryphosLinuxJones: if he's used I might do, but I don't mind it now so much. He can do my dirty work =)01:47
starhawkno jusat a rewriter01:47
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starhawkI know it works01:47
LinuxJonesapokryphos, :)01:48
kkathmanapokryphos, ok I did the install, on the engines, but the only one that shows up in amarok is the Arts engines...odd01:48
fabienlet me re-phrase this... Can somebody inform me if there's a package that could help me with installing a D-Link AirPlus pcmcia network card(DWL-650+)01:48
kkathmanapokryphos, I chose that one, and still no playback01:48
LinuxJonesstarhawk, can you check the md5sum on the .iso you burned from ?01:48
bourrinhello, someone knows how to install a digital cam please?01:48
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GoneBoBbourrin: plug it in01:49
GoneBoB.. that's it01:49
loaofwar3i selected the right model01:49
loaofwar3it says epson stylus color 60001:49
loaofwar3in the driver01:49
bourrinthat doesn t work :S01:49
loaofwar3it auto selects it for me01:49
dazedif i upgrade basic packages from warty to hoary via cd...can install the other packages once in hoary or will it erase my packages i had on warty?01:49
GoneBoBbourrin: it's a usb camera?01:49
roo_bourrin, install "gphoto2"01:49
LinuxJonesfabien, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards01:49
bourrinyes GoneBoB  it is01:49
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bourrinill try roo_01:50
aigariusno release today? that spoils our plans a bit. we were going to print them for a handout at a conference tomorrow :(01:50
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etzerdI have problem01:50
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etzerdI cannot shutdown my syste01:50
starhawkhoary rc-inst...01:50
roo_bourrin, then try "gphoto2 -P" at a terminal -- should download all files from ur camera.01:50
LinuxJonesloaofwar3, do you have the cupsys-gimp-print package installed01:50
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etzerdI have only one login password01:50
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aigariusis there a possibility to get something more recent then 5.04 rc from 30th march?01:50
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etzerdeven when I want to go to console I use the same password as root01:50
blahrusaigarius:  sudo apt-get update then upgrade and your as uptodate as you can be01:51
etzerdwhen I want to shutdown the system It ask me for password before I can shut it down01:51
EvilIdleraigarius: Friday is the expected release day if you really need an updated ISO01:51
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Azathothsadly Airport WLAN will never work in Ubuntu :(01:51
etzerdwhen I put the password it refuse to shotdown, iut display wrong password01:51
Azathoththis seems to be a broadcom chip01:51
flodinewhats up guys01:52
etzerdIs there a special password in ubuntu beside the root password that I don't know?01:52
fabienLinuxJones: yhx01:52
zenroxetzerd,  are you typing it like sudo reboot01:52
apokryphoskkathman: does dpkg -l | grep amarok show the others there, installed?01:52
LinuxJonesetzerd, do you have the root account enabled or are you using sudo normally ?01:52
fabienLinuxJones: thx01:52
LinuxJonesfabien, :)01:52
loaofwar3linuxjones: i have the gimp-print installed01:52
etzerdI   just click on reboot systerm01:52
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starhawkI am new to ubunta and tring to install the harray but the cd rom says cdrom failure am what am I doing wrong help(ashamed)            hoary rc-inst...01:52
EvilIdlerapokryphos: You can also use wildcard in dpkg -l01:52
aigariusoh, well. then we'll burn and give away the rc install cds and tell people to update. are there any critical bugs in the rc install cds from 30th march?01:53
kkathmanapokryphos,  on install, it showed messages sayin it was setting up xine, amarok-arts, amarok-gstreamer01:53
LinuxJonesloaofwar3, maybe your printer cartridge just needs a cleaning, if you havn't used it in a while maybe ?01:53
apokryphosEvilIdler: yup, I know :)01:53
apokryphoskkathman: and the others definitely don't appear there?01:53
whiskershot dog...that gimp scanner scans perfectly on win98....nice to have it working on both systems.01:53
Azathothgood night01:53
etzerdall I remember I did set the system to  ask for the password before shutdown, because I don't want my kids be able to shut it down themselves01:53
apokryphoskkathman: anyhow, if using aRts you'll likely need to get the akode-mpeg package01:53
kkathmanapokryphos, I have quit Amarok a couple of times now, and then restarted, but they dont show in the configure-amarok screen01:53
etzerdbut there is no time the setting ask me to create a root password01:53
LinuxJonesstarhawk, maybe you have a bad burn on the cd can you try burning to another disk ?01:54
flodinelittle help i made a root password but cant sign in as root to graphical login help01:54
apokryphoskkathman: that's quite odd. Hm.01:54
starhawkI used kb301:54
kkathmanapokryphos, this is amarok 1.2 is that recent?01:54
EvilIdlerflodine: I don't think root is supposed to log in to X01:54
whiskersnow i can use my old junk printers as well as my epson for linux01:54
apokryphoskkathman: plain 1.2? 1.2.3 is in repos01:54
snyboleHum, I'm having some trouble installing java, is there an apt-get for it? I've installed java-common but the program requiring says it's still not installed01:54
LinuxJonesflodine, you should be booting into the account that you created when you installed Ubuntu01:54
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roo_bourrin, any luck?01:55
flodinewell how do i change my root drives to users01:55
EvilIdlersnybole: Check out Blackdown.org for Java packages01:55
kkathmanapokryphos, I'll try to update it01:55
etzerdI know some other distro like Redhat, Mandrake, SUSE ask you to set a root password and a user password separately01:55
etzerdbut ubuntu do not give you that option01:55
apokryphoskkathman: just a sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install amarok amarok-engines, should do it01:55
bourrinroo_, it says teh cam 's unknown but it is in the list of detectable cams01:55
etzerdthe same password I assigne during installation is the same password I used as root01:56
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roo_bourrin, what cam is it?01:56
whiskersthese linux people are absolutely UNREAL01:56
LinuxJonesetzerd, the root account is locked by default login using the account you created during install and use sudo for root access.01:56
bourrina nikon 3200 coolpix01:56
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kkathmanapokryphos, I just did an apt-get install amarok and it says its already at the newest release01:56
etzerdok thanks LinuxJones01:56
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apokryphoskkathman: did you apt-get update first?01:56
LinuxJonesetzerd, sudo -s (enter your user password) and you basically have a root terminal01:57
flodinelinuxjones is that just for the term01:57
kkathmanlet me do that one more time just in case01:57
bourrinthat's ok roo_01:57
bourrinthat works now!!!!!01:57
LinuxJonesflodine, nope that's system wide01:57
bourrinthank you very much!!! really01:57
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flodinewhere do i typ it in run01:57
flodineor term01:57
roo_bourrin, install "gtkam" its a nice graphical tool for managing your camera/albums01:57
loaofwar3linuxjones: that is not possible because it prints in windows fine01:58
kkathmanapokryphos, yep still says its newest....I am going to pull out those two sources I enabled this morning..one moment01:58
LinuxJonesflodine, it takes a bit of getting used to as opposed to using su for root access.01:58
mkedwardsI'm having Xorg "issues".  array-7 correctly detects my NVidia Go700 (although it doesn't seem to have a 1920x1200 modeline, so it settles for 1600x1200), but RC seems to use the ATI module.01:58
bourrinroo_,  ah ok!!!! i was looking for gtcam !!!!01:58
loaofwar3linuxjones: and second i am only having problems with this in hoary becuz it worked fine in warty01:58
bourrinthanx a lot roo_01:58
flodinewhere do i typ sudo01:58
roo_bourrin, lol. enjoy :) no problem.01:58
apokryphoskkathman: nah, that wouldn't affect. Are you sure you don't have 1.2.3? You can check with "amarok --version"01:58
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LinuxJonesloaofwar3, did you do a system upgrade recently ?01:58
mkedwards(in livecd, that is)01:58
QMarioHow do I get an IDE for Python?01:59
starhawkI am burning the new copy now01:59
kkathmanapokryphos, yes it says 1.2.3 just that the splash screen says 1.201:59
LinuxJonesstarhawk, GL ;)01:59
loaofwar3linuxjones: i did fresh install that is i wiped out all the info on the hard drive01:59
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apokryphoskkathman: yes, you have 1.2.3. Splash screen will stay like that till 1.3 :)01:59
flodinedo i typ sudo in login or in a term01:59
LinuxJonesloaofwar3, ok sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade to upgrade to all recent packages on your system.01:59
kkathmanapokryphos, ok..so Im concerned about why amarok is NOT seeing the other engines01:59
QMarioDoes anyone know how to run the IDE for Python 2.4?02:00
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loaofwar3nobody can help me :'(02:00
roo_QMario, have you googled for "python ide" or something? im sure you're not the first with that question.02:00
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apokryphoskkathman: ok, wait, I'm upgrading to see if there's a problem there02:00
LinuxJonesflodine, terminal, gtksudo will prompt you for a password for anything like Synaptic that requires root-like priviliges02:00
kkathmanapokryphos,  thanks02:00
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etzerdLinuxJones, I drop to Root/Console I type "sudo -u root it still don't work02:02
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LinuxJonesetzerd, it's sudo -s02:03
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apokryphoskkathman: all the engines are here for me...02:03
rpj911Has anyone been able to get TuxRacer working on Hoary? What changed to the config did u make?02:03
apokryphoskkathman: try seeing if it works with aRts. Make sure you have the akode-mpeg pack though02:03
etzerdjust type sudo -s that's all02:03
starhawkI am new to ubunta and tring to install the harray but the cd rom says cdrom failure am what am I doing wrong help(ashamed)            hoary rc-inst...02:04
LinuxJonesetzerd, yes it will ask for your password, enter your user password02:04
starhawkstill the same trouble02:04
etzerdlet me go tried it again02:04
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kkathmanapokryphos, ok I will download and try that02:04
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flodineguys i need to see graphical root privleg02:06
flodinenot term02:06
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pepsiso login as root02:06
flodinei try wont let me in02:06
LinuxJonesflodine, it does that for a reason02:07
starhawkI am new to ubunta and tring to install the harray but the cd rom says cdrom failure am what am I doing wrong help(ashamed)            hoary rc-inst... still the same this is not the live cd02:07
pepsicause you need to set a root passwd first02:07
flodinei did that02:07
holycowhey guys, i'm just setting another machine with ubuntu, and i notice the 'fedorad' boot scripts02:07
starhawkdose that make a diffrence02:07
holycowthey are great, nice and easy to read02:07
holycowis any of that going to end up in debian by chance?02:07
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holycowi'd love to see them start using such clean presentation02:08
crimsunholycow: the lsbized stuff?02:08
whiskersthis is absolutely the best thing ever for win9802:08
LinuxJoneswhiskers, what is ?02:08
flodinepepsi i remade my root passwd is that all i need to do02:09
whiskersnow we have it working on linux and win9802:09
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holycowi don't like gimpshop at all02:09
kkathmanapokryphos, installed the akode pkg and still nothing :(02:09
whiskersso for epson it works perfect on linux and for old junk printers it works perfect on win9802:09
pepsiflodine, i dunno.. ive never wanted to login as root02:09
pepsii dont see a need02:09
holycowgimp is very much a superior interface02:09
apokryphoskkathman: can't play mp3s?02:09
whiskersholycow, i don't care about the interface....i just care about the scanning and printing02:10
flodineanyone use grafical root privleges02:10
apokryphoskkathman: seems somewhat obvious, but make sure the volume is full up ;). Does it refuse to play them, or apepar as though it is?02:10
kkathmanapokryphos, I dont have any mp3s on this computer02:10
apokryphosflodine: not recommended02:10
pepsiflodine, what exactly do you want to do>?02:10
flodinei just want to make a harddrive user02:11
apokryphoskkathman: it's worth finding out whether it's the audioCD function, or the general playback.02:11
apokryphoskkathman: since the audioCD part relies on kdemultimedia; something different.02:11
kkathmanapokryphos, well as I am unfamiliar with Amarok...It does seem to be playing..the track blinks when I press play. I did go to the tray area and clicked on the Volume and looked at the mixer and all SEEMS well there at least as far as I can see02:11
starhawkI am new to ubunta and tring to install the harray but the cd rom says cdrom failure am what am I doing wrong help(ashamed)            hoary rc-inst... still the same this is not the live cd02:11
holycowwhiskers, *ooo*, cool02:12
flodinei cant get in to my other hard drives there root can i change them02:12
kkathmanapokryphos, let me see if I can get some mp3 from somewhere. not sure where02:12
apokryphoskkathman: is the progress bar, for the music, moving?02:12
holycowwhiskers, would you mind commenting on the printing and scanning?  what is being worked on exactly?02:12
apokryphoskkathman: alright; problem is I've gotta shoot off in a sec, so might not be able to help anymore tonight02:13
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kkathmanapokryphos, hey thanks for your help...and no, there doesnt seem to be any movement on that playback grid toward the bottom02:13
holycowor maybe what is lacking? i don't think i know enough about that end of gimp things02:13
kkathmanapokryphos, and the progress bar doesnt move either02:14
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apokryphoskkathman: right, then it's not playing. Give the mp3 a go, and if there's a problem I'll try to catch you tomorrow. Or, better, people in #kubuntu might be able to help02:14
apokryphossee ya02:14
kkathmanapokryphos, thankx for your help :)02:14
apokryphosNo problem at all02:14
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starhawkI am new to ubunta and tring to install the harray but the cd rom says cdrom failure am what am I doing wrong help(ashamed)            hoary rc-inst... still the same this is not the live cd02:15
whiskersholycow, well i already had scanning and printing working perfect on linux with gimp and epson02:15
Xeon3Dstarhawk, maybe you got problems while burning the CD. To be sure, burn another one or order one or two from ubuntu.org02:15
Xeon3D(hi gals and guys)02:15
whiskersholycow, so i compiled gimpshop to see what it looks like on linux02:15
starhawkI did burn anther02:15
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holycowohhhh i see :)02:16
whiskersholycow, so it looks nice so i decided to make a win98 version02:16
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holycowyou made a win98 version? no kidding?02:16
holycownice :)02:16
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whiskersholycow, so now we have the same power for win98 as linux but for the old printers and scanners02:16
whiskersholycow, this is the best thing ever02:16
anteproblem here... i need to setup codecs on totem player... on amd64 running hoary02:17
starhawkit is not the live cd is there a command that I dont know or do you just restart the computer with the cd in02:17
mjrante, gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg gives you xvid/divx, totem-xine gives you that and perhaps something more, with possibly less jerky playback02:17
starhawki can see the iso file02:18
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antemjr, thx02:19
antemjr, is that all?02:19
starhawkI am new to ubunta and tring to install the harray but the cd rom says cdrom failure am what am I doing wrong help(ashamed)            hoary rc-inst... still the same this is not the live cd it is not the live cd is there a command that I dont know or do you just restart the computer with the cd in  i can see the iso file02:20
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mjrante, well, if you wanted the proprietary windows codecs, you won't have that with a 64-bit player; you'd need to install a 32-bit chroot with a player and the codecs, or kludge around it otherwise (since there's no proper multiarch support yet)02:21
antemjr, thx again... will amd64 support rise soon?02:22
antemjr, codec amd64 support that is02:22
mjrante, probably not, since they pretty much require a 32-bit player to function. Multiarch will at some point make it more transparent.02:23
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mjrof course, it might be that proprietary win64 codecs will start to surface, at which point somebody probably kludges together support for those with 64-bit players, but this is speculation02:23
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antethx... again... bye02:24
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phoenixp3khello! Got a easy question02:24
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starhawkI am new to ubunta and tring to install the harray but the cd rom says cdrom failure am what am I doing wrong help(ashamed)            hoary rc-inst... still the same this is not the live cd it is not the live cd is there a command that I dont know or do you just restart the computer with the cd in  i can see the iso file02:25
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Orboahoy, I just upgraded to hoary and cd player won't start, no biggie, I just link /dev/hdc to /dev/cdrom02:25
Orbobut the thing is...02:25
OrboI have to do this every time my computer restarts02:25
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phoenixp3kI have firefox 0.9.3 and need to upgrade to 1.0.2 but the wich directory must I install it to overwrite previous version02:26
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chrismurfCorlib not in sync with this runtime: expected corlib version 22, found 32.02:28
chrismurfDownload a newer corlib or a newer runtime at http://www.go-mono.com/daily.02:28
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chrismurfAnybody know how to resolve that?  I've tried removing every cil and mono package on my system.  No luck.02:28
libbenphoenixp3k, install it with synaptic?02:28
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rpj911Has anyone been able to get  TuxRacer going on Hoary?02:28
phxguyanyone know how i can play music from itunes in linux?02:28
qeedyes to rpg91102:28
qeedi compiled it02:28
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phoenixp3klibben so I uninstall the previous version first?02:29
libbennot really02:29
rpj911when i configure,  it can't find tcl8.x libs02:29
libbenjust hit aply in synaptic and let it install02:29
qeedthen do an apt-get install tc02:30
qeedi mean02:30
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QMarioHow do I enable Windows to download the correct printer driver from my Linux server?02:30
qeedbut tuxracer should have a repository02:30
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qeedin the debian packages....02:31
Jas0ncan ubuntu be install straight from the internet?02:31
whiskersqeed, tuxracer is in synaptic and it works nice on ubuntu02:31
xMaximexis sound blaster live supported ?? i only see my onboard soundcard in the device manager02:31
QMarioA network install.02:31
snyboleis it hard to get my radeon working properly in ubuntu?02:31
crimsunxMaximex: yes, it is02:31
rpj911i did aptitude several times chasing those, but their names are slightly different than the config looks for i think02:31
xMaximexcrimsun, I'm under ubuntu right now :)02:32
rpj911i will try synaptic02:32
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crimsunxMaximex: please paste lspci -v, lsmod, and cat /proc/asound/cards  onto http://pastebin.com02:32
xMaximexcrimsun, where did you tell me to go ?02:32
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QMarioI don't know the exact process, but you can just order a free CD from ubuntu.com02:32
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rpj911tnx qeed and whiskers02:32
QMarioHow do I enable Windows to download the correct printer driver from my Linux server?02:33
Jas0nwell ive got no cd installed on the system02:33
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rpj911tnx qeed and whiskers02:34
Jas0ni think ive found something on it tho02:34
xMaximexthe end02:35
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knewti guess there02:35
LinuxJonesQMario, is there some install procedure within windows to add a network printer ?02:35
xophErhow do I install ubuntu to a specific partition on a specific hard drive?02:35
knewti guess there's absolutely no chance of the cvs x.org in hoary?02:35
flodineok this is not right i can get into my root drives help please02:36
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LinuxJonesQMario, it doesn't ask for your printers cd disk ?02:36
crimsunknewt: no. Main is frozen, essentially.02:36
QMarioNo, the the printer is an HP PSC 2410 connected via USB to my Linux computer.02:36
qeedall HP PSC are supported on linux02:36
flodinecan someone please help get in to my root drive graphical way02:37
QMarioI know that, but I want Windows to be able to install the driver, so I can print.02:37
xophErflodine, open root terminal, run nautilus --browser02:37
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knewtcrimsun: didn't think so. i don't suppose anyone might already have done the hard work of creating .debs for it?02:38
dazedif u have a usb disk what is the location that it will be placed?02:38
QMarioLinuxJones, are still there?02:38
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crimsunknewt: not that I know of02:38
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LinuxJonesQMario, yeah but windows needs to load the driver to format the data for your model of printer02:38
crimsunxMaximex: are you absolutely sure there's an sblive in your machine? It doesn't appear at all in any of those listings.02:38
dcooperdoes anyone know of a good screen capture utility?02:39
xMaximex1 [AudioPCI       ] : ENS1371 - Ensoniq AudioPCI02:39
xMaximex                     Ensoniq AudioPCI ENS1371 at 0xd000, irq 502:39
crimsunxMaximex: according to those output, you have 3 sound cards - none of them are a sblive.02:39
xMaximexthis is it, i think02:39
flodinexophER thxs your the shit dude'02:39
crimsunxMaximex: that's an audioPCI02:39
crimsunxMaximex: not an sblive02:39
LinuxJonesQMario, can you add it manually and set it as a netowrk printer (I haven't run windows in like 5 years, going from memory :D)02:39
QMarioThe problem is that Windows says that the printer driver is invalid.02:39
flodinemuch love02:39
knewtcrimsun: drat. cvs x.org is the only way for me to get dri support for my graphics chipset, and i'd obviously prefer to manage it as .debs to make upgrading at a later date easy02:39
crimsunknewt: Breezy opens fairly soon02:40
xMaximexcrimsun, maybe, but is I connect my speaker to the other card (not the onboard) .. there's no sound02:40
QMarioNo, it's not listed in the Windows print drivers directory.02:40
xophErhow do I install ubuntu to a specific partition on a specific hard drive?02:40
EvilIdlerknewt: What chipset?02:40
knewti'm doing without right now, but it's annoying02:40
crimsunxMaximex: come again?02:40
xMaximexcrimsun, what ?02:40
LinuxJonesQMario, so you can't add a network printer somewhere in the control panel ?02:40
crimsunxMaximex: I can't understand what you just said02:41
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knewtEvilIdler: S3 SuperSavage IX/C SDR02:41
QMarioNo, but hold on...02:41
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xMaximexcrimsun, if I connect my speakers on the soundcard (The PCI one, not the onboard) there's no sound at all ..02:41
EvilIdlerAh, not the most common set :)02:41
crimsunxMaximex: so you want to use the audioPCI by default?02:41
xMaximexcrimsun, yes02:42
crimsunxMaximex: are you using Hoary or Warty?02:42
xMaximexI use this card in windows, i dont want to replug speaker after reboot02:42
knewtEvilIdler: yeah. i was really hoping i wouldn't have to do the work of creating an updated debian/ directory myself02:43
rpj911dazed: it goes to /media02:43
crimsunxMaximex: echo "options snd-cmipci index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base && echo "options snd-usb-audio index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base02:43
QMarioNope, no progress.02:43
crimsunxMaximex: next time you reboot, your audioPCI will be the default02:43
xMaximexroot@straightbox:~ # echo "options snd-cmipci index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base && echo "options snd-usb-audio index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base02:44
xMaximexoptions snd-cmipci index=-202:44
xMaximexoptions snd-usb-audio index=-202:44
LinuxJonesQMario, this might help if your using cups >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetworkPrintingFromWin200002:44
xMaximexokay, ill try02:44
snyboleI have a .bin file, how do I run it? ./name.bin ? sudo ./name.bin ?02:44
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Orbotry putting in /usr/bin snybole, did it come with any libs?02:44
QMarioThank You.02:44
dazedits not showing up there rpj91102:45
snyboleOrbo: nope, it's something from sun, java I suppose :) j2eesdk-1_4-linux.bin is the name at least02:45
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HKSDUWhen I pop my warty cd into my laptop and boot, it gave me blank screen after booting for 3 seconds.  I have read an article saying that I have to put noapic for kernel parameter, but he didn't mention the details, where do I put this command?02:46
knewtsounds like it could be a shell-script installer02:46
Orbodamn, i remember installing that a long time on a different distro02:46
knewtone with an embedded archive02:46
flodineis there a easy way to get muine installed02:47
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housetiersnybole now install java-package and then run "make-jpkg j2eesdk-1_4-linux.bin" to create a .deb which you can then install02:47
rpj911ok that was the easy thing first, review how to mount things, also make sure yur USB have all necsry files installed02:48
snybolethanks alot :)02:48
QMarioHow do I use the same printer driver on my Windows server to the one on my Ubuntu server with my Windows client.02:49
QMarioHow do I use the same printer driver on my Windows server to the one on my Ubuntu server with my Windows client?02:49
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xMaximexcrimsun, that worked !!! thanks a lot02:49
crimsunxMaximex: np02:49
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xMaximexone problem fixed02:49
xMaximexxmss now02:49
crimsunxMaximex: use the esound output plugin02:49
xMaximexthat work02:50
QMario How do I use the same printer driver on my Windows server to the one on my Ubuntu server with my Windows client?02:50
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xMaximexcrimsun, I already tried that without result .. but now that work02:50
QMario How do I use the same printer driver on my Windows server to the one on my Ubuntu server with my Windows client?02:50
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HKSDUWhen I pop my warty cd into my laptop and boot, it gave me blank screen after booting for 3 seconds. I have read an article saying that I have to put noapic for kernel parameter, but he didn't mention the details, where do I put this command?02:51
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xMaximexhow can i mount a ntfs partition to permit normal user to acces it ?02:51
T5HKSDU, before starting booting the kernel off the cd02:52
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Xeon3DxMaximex, on your /etc/fstab add uid=1000;gid=1000 on the options part02:52
T5when you see the bootscreen of the cd try to press F2 or F302:52
HKSDUT5: then what do I type? just noapic?02:53
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Xeon3DxMaximex, : so it'll look like this /dev/hdb1 /media/setup auto user,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 002:53
xMaximexi try02:53
T5HKSDU, dont know try to read the instruction that are given02:54
HKSDUT5: ic, thanks a lot, I have hope now :P02:54
xMaximexmount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda5,02:55
xMaximex       missing codepage or other error02:55
xMaximex       In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try02:55
xMaximex       dmesg | tail  or so02:55
xMaximex/dev/hda5       /mnt/data       ntfs    uid=1000;gid=1000       0       002:55
xMaximexin fstab02:55
xophEr/dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs ro,umask=0222                         0 002:56
xophErtry that02:56
Xeon3DxMaximex, change it to /dev/hda5             /mnt/data            ntfs              user,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000  0  002:57
Xeon3DI made a mistake on the line before.. it was not uid=1000;gid=1000 but uid=1000,gid=100002:57
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xMaximexthat works02:58
Xeon3DxMaximex, which one did?02:59
xMaximex/dev/hda5             /mnt/data            ntfs              user,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000  0  002:59
Xeon3DI'm glad it worked.02:59
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xMaximexArg, i can't change the screen frequency ... only 60hz03:02
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dave_hey folks, can anyone here help me get my ati radeon 9800 pro running dual monitors?03:02
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dave_it's currently cloning03:03
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syn1ok, i got my wireless connection working with ndiswrapper and in GNOME it works fine but drops the connection seemingly randomly and i cannot reestablish connection unless i reboot. ive been using KDE for the last 4 days and the wireless has not dropped once. any reason why?03:05
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QMarioWoot woo hoo!03:06
alvariuxi just installed hoary but i dont find packages for starting xserver03:06
alvariuxanybody knows?03:06
alvariuxi install server version03:06
libbenwhen u do complete removal in synaptic... why dont it remove the .ownfolders in homedir? i dont want the config files laying there =)03:06
alvariuxbecause i dont want gnome03:06
syn1alvariux: you cant find it in the apt get?03:06
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alvariuxi install xerver-xorg03:07
xMaximexwich plugin do i need to install to get totem play .mpg, .wmv and .mpeg file ?03:07
alvariuxbut x is not running03:07
QMarioWhere are the printer drivers located?03:07
Xeon3DxMaximex, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646 check this.03:07
Yannick_anyone has an idea on when hoary will be released, wasn't it today april 15th?03:08
cafuegoQMario: in the cupsys* packages03:08
dave_can any of you help me set up my xorg.conf to have my dual monitor setup work in extended desktop mode, not clone?03:08
Xeon3Dlibben do a dpkg --purge packagename03:08
xMaximexXeon3D,  thanks03:08
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jef_how do i switch to kde03:08
QMarioWhere can I download Windows printer drivers to?03:08
syn1jef_ did you install KDE?03:09
Riddelljef_: kubuntu.org/faq.php03:09
jef_kubuntu sux03:09
syn1jef_: ctrl - alt - backspace03:09
dave_anyone think they could give me a hand with the dual monitor stuff?03:09
syn1jef_: click session, and select KDE03:09
xMaximexcan't install totem-xine03:09
whiskerswow ubuntu is catching up fast with gentoo...in the gentoo channel there are 900 and in ubuntu 44603:09
jef_i did apt-get install kde03:09
syn1jef_: then you need to restart X03:10
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syn1jef_: ctrl alt backspace03:10
Xeon3Dwhiskers, we already beated(?) them in other areas... as easiness of use, installing time and distrowatch.03:10
syn1jef_: was KDE in the session list?03:10
jef_do i need to run the updates?03:10
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whiskersXeon3D, yes...that is true.03:11
syn1jef_: update the repositories, then update03:11
Ycrosjef_: why does kubuntu suck?03:11
whiskersXeon3D, i think the reason they are still so popular is because of all the specialized gentoo apps and games03:12
cafuegoOf those 900 in #gentoo, over 750 are compile bots.03:12
jef_i installed kubuntu and its gnome with kde programs03:12
Xeon3Dcafuego, rotfl! :D03:12
syn1jef_: no it's not03:12
Xeon3Dwhiskers, Gentoo has it's strong points as well..03:12
cafuegojef_: Actually, it's KDE.03:12
Ycrosno it's not03:12
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jef_the desktop isgnome03:12
Riddelljef_: when you log in you need to set the session to KDE03:12
syn1jef_: no its not03:12
whiskersXeon3D, but anyway the ubuntu audience is very very large and catching up with gentoo fast03:12
YcrosXeon3D: the word is "beat"03:12
cafuegojef_: Only if you tell it to start GNome (via say .xsession)03:12
juanhow can I change the brown color when gnome is starting? at .bashrc ? thanks guyz03:12
jef_unless itdo i need to edit something?03:13
Xeon3DYcros, thanks. I'm not english\american.. that's why I sometimes make some stupid spelling errors.03:13
jef_:-P arg03:13
cafuegojuan: sudo gdmconfig - chosoe background03:13
juancafuego thanks ;)03:13
syn1jef_: you need to restart X and select the section session KDE at the login screen03:13
YcrosXeon3D: english is a stupid language.03:13
whiskersXeon3D, i am surprised there is not a greater audience for LinuxFromScratch...it is the most challenging03:13
syn1Ycros: agreed03:13
cafuegoYcros: Inelegant, too.03:13
jef_runlevel is 303:13
QMarioWhere are the printer drivers located?03:14
jef_i dont have a login manager03:14
jef_i dont know why03:14
QMarioI mean, which folder?03:14
alvariuxwhat are the [ackages for running x in hoary?03:14
syn1jef_: something is wrong03:14
cafuegojef_: ubuntu doesn't care about login managers/runlevels. They get strted via init regardless.03:14
cafuegoalvariux: x-window-system03:14
alvariuxthanks cafuego03:14
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mathmattI have a problem with an excessive startup time because "configuring network devices" takes a full two minutes.  I suspect it is looking for a connection on eth0, which I only use ocasionally. (I usually use wifi)  How do I edit the startup process and lower the timeout of searching for the network connectivity?  Thanks to anyone sho can help!03:15
syn1are there any other desktops available thru apt-get, other than gnome and kde03:15
mathmattBy the way, I'm on Hoary03:15
syn1mathmatt: do you have ndiswrapper going03:15
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syn1mathmatt: with your wifi03:16
mathmattsynl: hmm I dont know.03:16
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Xeon3Dmathmatt, ... erm.. under networking .. try disabling or unsetting the "DHCP" option.03:16
Xeon3Dfor eth003:16
syn1mathmatt: mine does the same thing, im online with wifi as well03:16
mathmattXeon3D: thanks, I'll try that...03:17
mathmattsynl: It only started when I enabled ethernet one day03:17
difektai've got this weird problem that links from thunderbird open in konquerer (even though i'm in gnome) and email links in firefox open in evolution.  neither of these is my default client.  what could be causing this?03:17
Xeon3Dmathmatt, and syn1 : it only takes that time cause it's trying to get an address from a DHCP Server.03:18
syn1Xeon3D: oh i see, thanks.03:18
mathmattXeon3D: that makes sense!03:18
syn1it does make sense03:18
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syn1i did notice it once i got my wifi working and stopped using eth003:18
syn1i thought it had to do with my wifi instead03:19
hybriddoes anyone here use mpg12303:19
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syndmuch bbetter03:19
Xeon3Dhybrid, I've got it installed.. what's the problem?03:19
syndare there any other desktops available thru apt-get, other than gnome and kde?03:20
whiskersreally need to get gnuboy and fakenes in synaptic for the public domain trailer roms03:20
hybridXeon3D: how do i play an mp3?03:21
whiskershybrid, you cannot it is illegal03:21
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GoneBoByou can03:21
hybridsynd: matchbox and flux03:21
GoneBoBit may or may not be of questionable legality03:21
hybridwhuskers: why is it illegal03:22
syndwhiskers: it's not illegal03:22
whiskershybrid, well i am not a lawyer...but i thought mp3 was a commercial format03:22
syndwhiskers: no, it's not03:22
whiskershybrid, and they may require you to pay royalties03:22
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syndand the chance of that happening is 003:22
^thehatsrule^just use lame-mp3 then03:22
robertjGone: It may or may not be questionable?03:22
hybridthats stuff like acc trak103:23
Krys^What is a good program to use in ubuntu to watch DVD's?03:23
snyboleI'm trying to install java, using ubuntuguide.org03:23
hybriddrm kinda stuff03:23
tritiumand gxine03:23
whiskersKrys^, you cannot do that either03:23
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tritiumwhiskers, yes, you can03:23
hybridXeon3D: but how would i do that?03:23
whiskerstritium, when did it become legal03:23
Krys^you can't watch DVD's in ubuntu?03:23
snybolebut when I write: sudo ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin/java /usr/bin/java this comes out: ln: "/usr/bin/java": File does not exist03:23
tritiumwhiskers, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats03:23
EvilIdlerwhiskers: It's legal in my country.03:23
whiskersKrys^, they want you to pay royalties for those formats03:23
ArniaKrys^: You can, but you must get the codecs for it03:24
hybridwhiskers: they just had a mgm settle ment like that but now ppl want the same for dvds03:24
syndKrys^: VLC [;auer03:24
syndKrys^: VLC player03:24
whiskershybrid, well who knows what will happen03:24
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Krys^Arnia, how do I get the codecs?03:24
HackRipmp3 is open but patented ..., mp3 IS a commercial format ...03:24
syndKrys^: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats03:24
tritiumsnybole, Method 2 is the best: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java03:24
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hybridXeon3D: but how do i play them?03:25
Xeon3Dhybrid, follow the instructions at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2264603:25
Krys^why would it be a restricted format?03:25
tritiumKrys^, patents03:25
whiskershybrid, well first you have to pay royalties03:25
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whiskershybrid, then they will send you the commercial codecs03:25
jef_mplayer and ffmpeg is down :-(03:26
Krys^tritium, u can go to a store and buy a dvd..03:26
hybridwhiskers if it is patented but open why would i need comercial codecs?03:26
whiskershybrid, at least this is my understanding03:26
tritiumKrys^, yes, you sure can03:26
whiskershybrid, well i don't know03:26
Krys^.. i dont get why you can't watch them, if you can buy them03:26
hybridwhiskers: idk and idc i juss wanna hear kittie03:27
whiskersKrys^, because they restrict the formats03:27
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whiskersKrys^, to only paying customers03:27
Krys^I bought the DVD03:27
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tritiumKrys^, the encryption method was proprietary.  It was reverse-engineered03:27
whiskersKrys^, that was the write format...now you have to buy the read format03:27
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calccss isn't patented it was just trade secret03:28
mathmattanyone with experience using VESA to handle video for mplayer?03:28
xophErdoes anyone know what to do so you can close tabs in firefox with the middle button?03:29
calcxophEr: it might be under about:config but my firefox won't display it for some reason03:31
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hybridXeon3D: once i do that what do i do?03:32
mathmattxophEr: try http://twanno.mozdev.org/03:33
mathmattxophEr: "Tab Clicking Options" it's a small extension that works well03:33
whiskersrestricted formats are like reading,writing, and arithmetic03:35
whiskersfirst you pay for the dvd to get the write format, then you pay for the codec to get the read format, and the arithmetic is all the money they make03:35
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necromancerwhat is the difference between 4.10 and 5.04?03:38
panickedthumb6 months of innovation03:38
EricNeongnome2.10 and gnome2.803:38
panickedthumbwarty has gnome 2.8, hoary has 2.10. warty has xfree, hoary has xorg03:38
panickedthumblots of other updated apps03:38
panickedthumban updated kernel03:39
xMaximexhow can i configure a refresh rate higher than 60 ?03:39
necromancerbut its not a beta or anything of that sort...03:39
Haydenwhen is hoary stable out?03:39
panickedthumbwell, it's not officially released yet03:39
Haydeni heard it was today03:39
panickedthumbgot pushed back03:39
libbenxMaximex, u need to set the straight value for horizontal and vertical in ur /etc/X11/xorg.conf03:39
EricNeonthis week?03:39
libbenand then restart x.03:39
tritiumEricNeon, Friday03:39
xMaximexlibben, okay03:40
necromancerthank you03:40
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dazeddamn...how many updates u think going to come (if u on hoary currently) once the final release is let03:40
libbenu know which values ur monitor has ?03:40
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libbeni have a 21" dell crt. and i have 30-102 and 50-15003:41
libbenon the values03:41
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jef_anyone want to buy a ps2 :-P03:42
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panickedthumbjef_ yes03:43
libbenI want to buy xbox36003:43
jef_i want an xbox :-P03:43
phxguywhich ps2 do you have?03:43
jef_i have ps2, hdloader, 80 gig hard drive, net adapter, 2 controllers, mem card03:43
phxguyold school or new thin model03:43
xMaximexlibben, these setting ?03:44
jef_i want to get xbox w/spider03:44
xMaximex        HorizSync       28-4903:44
xMaximex        VertRefresh     43-7203:44
jef_the new slim ps2s r no good :-P03:44
socommI want a modded seXBox.03:44
GoneBoBjef_: I have both03:44
jef_sony got scared03:45
GoneBoBthe ps2 has better games and is generally more reliable03:45
whiskersschool days, reading writing and arithmetic...is any of this fair? i don't know.03:45
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socommX-Box is a better toy.03:45
jef_does more tricks03:45
drkryumoddy xbox x2.3l 40gig 10 random games bunches of movies and anime03:45
whiskerssocomm, X-Box also uses restricted formats03:45
socommPS2 may have a better library though.03:45
jef_xbox w/ spider mod03:45
whiskerssocomm, PS2 also uses restricted formats03:46
socommwhiskers: Huh?03:46
drkryuit also has 6 usb and 2 hdd03:46
EricNeonPS3 will out at soon03:46
whiskersPS3 will also use restricted formats03:46
jef_it will be unveiled next month03:46
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drkryui love my xbox03:46
drkryuits playing bleach right now03:46
socommwhiskers: Huh?03:46
whiskersdrkryu, well if you are willing to pay all the royalties it is none of my business03:47
socommBleach sucks.03:47
EvilIdlersocomm: Ignore him.03:47
whiskersdrkryu, it is up to you03:47
drkryuwhat are u talking about whiskers03:47
socommwhiskers: Just buy a secondhand X-Box, mod it, and be done with it.03:47
EricNeonbut I never buy japanese manufacture03:47
socommEvilIdler: Didn't know he was a troll.03:47
whiskersdrkryu, well we are talking about MP3, MPEG, DVDs, and game formats03:47
Xeon3DThis is an UBUNTU CHANNEL03:47
jef_then get one from mexico03:47
Xeon3Dnot a PS2\XBOX03:47
EvilIdlersocomm: He's been spewing crap all day.03:48
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socommEvilIdler: All right, good to know.03:48
xMaximexthere's ONE thing I don't like from ubuntu !!!03:48
whiskerssocomm, well my understanding is that they made mods illegal03:48
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xMaximexI can't install mc !!03:48
drkryuxbox mods are not illegal03:48
whiskerssocomm, so you can't even mod an Xbox03:48
whiskerssocomm, or a PS203:48
drkryuand neither are ps2 mods03:48
socommCan't, that's loser talk.03:48
Xeon3Dwhiskers, drkryu if you wanna talk bout XBOX and modchips please use another #03:48
jef_theyre sposed to be illegal in britain er somethin, but i doubt thats goin down03:48
Xeon3DxMaximex, use apt-get install midnight-commander03:48
drkryui didnt start the convo03:49
whiskersXeon3D, the focus is not on modchips it is on restricted formats03:49
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socommPS2 is capable of running GNU/Linux, so is a modded X-Box.03:49
davixhelp please, mayday.03:49
Xeon3Drestricted formats are restricted formats...03:49
socommSo this is not totally off-topic.03:49
Xeon3Dsocomm, it's 99% offtopic03:49
xMaximexXeon3D,  doesn't work03:49
jef_i want to get the spider mod and see if it will support the evox bios and the use the spider mod to softmod xboxes if it werx03:49
drkryuHello i have a question about Dell Inspiron 1100 bios a31(hoary newest iso i386) everything installed fine except for the Video drivers(stuck at 600X480), i looked on wiki and saw a small fix but when i rewrote the xorg.conf and rebooted it failed to run X11(xorg.conf is now back to orginal install settings) and now im not too sure what to do, any ideas?03:49
whiskerssocomm, true but the Patriot Act and the DMCA prevent modding anything03:49
xMaximexI already tried03:49
Xeon3DI got both, both are modded and I don't come here talking bout it..03:49
xMaximexmc - Midnight Commander - a powerful file manager03:50
tritiumwhiskers, I don't think the Patriot Act does that03:50
xMaximexbut that doesn't work03:50
Xeon3Dwhat's the error xMaximex03:50
davixi've just switched my graphics card from nvidia geforce 2 to nvidia geforce FX5500, X server won't load claiming "no screens found" any idea?03:50
whiskerstritium, well only time will tell03:50
housetierxMaximex whats the error message you get when you try to install mc?03:50
xMaximexXeon3D,  after a apt-get update it works03:50
whiskerstritium, but historically speaking people throughout  history have sought money or its equivalent03:51
tritiumdavix, you should sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg03:51
whiskerstritium, there are only a few free/open source materials and formats03:51
Xeon3Ddrkryu, check this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2198403:51
davixand then what do I do tritium, I got stuck with the config, being clueless as I let the install do all the configs at first for me...03:52
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astro76whiskers: what are you smoking? I've been watching you give false information since you started talking about DVDs03:52
drkryuxeon: thank you, i will read03:52
libbenXML Parsing Error: no element found03:52
libbenLocation: jar:resource:///chrome/toolkit.jar!/content/mozapps/update/updates.xml03:52
libbenLine Number 1, Column 1:03:52
whiskersastro76, well i don't see how you can declare it false....debatable perhaps03:52
Xeon3Ddrkryu, np03:52
tritiumdavix, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm and see if it worked,  If not, inspect /var/log/Xorg.0.log03:52
socommRead or die.03:52
libbenim getting this on a site... and ive installed java and flash..03:52
libbenwhy is it not working..03:52
libbenflash is working ... and the java console spits out that mess03:53
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roo_libben, problem with the *site*?03:53
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Xeon3Dlibben, that's mostly a site problem I think.03:53
tritiumwhiskers, what are you referring to?03:53
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libbeni cant get logged onto it ... www.shockplay.com03:53
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tritiumlibben, I think Xeon3D is correct03:53
whiskerstritium, restricted formats and encrytion techniques03:53
libbenits a site where u can play for 20 mins of free every 24/703:53
youpi_hi can we use .deb package to install with ubuntu03:53
Haydenjust download it and type sudo dpkg -i file.deb03:54
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tritiumyoupi_, that's the package format ubuntu uses.  Though, you really should use ubuntu native packages, and not debian packages03:54
Lizanyone have trouble installing limewire?03:54
libbenroo_, Xeon3D  or tritium .. can u get logged on to the site ? without it bitching about plugin ? www.shockplay.com u can play some games multiplayer against others.. its real fun.03:54
roo_youpi_, using ubuntu packages keeps your package tree nice and clean.03:54
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tritiumyoupi_, where did you get the .deb you wish to install?03:54
socommrestricted formats, and encryption schemes thread on my first ammendment rights.03:55
tritiumlibben, I don't have mozilla-flashplayer installed03:55
whiskerssocomm, that is why i said this stuff is debatable03:55
roo_libben, missing plugin. im guessing it uses macromedia shockwave, there is no support for shockwave in linux.03:55
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drkryuXeon: Unfortunatly thats not my problem,http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsDell/view?searchterm=dell%20inspiron%201100 explains what to do, but when doing this "fix" it wont let me run X11 because it isnt using valid keywords or somthing03:55
youpi_tritium, roo_  from here http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/enlightenment03:55
tritiumroo_, do you have mozilla-flashplayer installed?03:56
youpi_the x86 arch03:56
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drkryuXeon: so it puts me back at square one03:56
jblackHey. Has anybody had a problem with random acpi events filling up their syslog?03:56
tritiumyoupi_, install the ubuntu enlightenment .deb packages intead03:56
roo_tritium, yep, i have moz-flashplayer installed03:56
roo_youpi_, yeah like tritium says use the ones in the Ubuntu tree?03:56
youpi_there is enlightenment in ubuntu tree?03:57
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Nekohayoanyone here was able to use NVU from an ALIENed RPM ? I get segfaults whatever I do03:57
roo_youpi_, u didnt check Synaptic first?!?03:57
youpi_how i check it? apt searhc enlightenment?03:57
tritiumyoupi_, it's in universe03:57
jef_yay im in kde03:57
jef_thx for the help03:57
roo_youpi_, apt-cache search enlightenment03:57
tritiumyoupi_, and apt-cache policy enlightenment shows that it's in hoary universe repo03:58
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youpi_and after apt-get install name ?03:58
canllaithHi there :) I'm writing an article and I need to know if a particular option is enabled in the kernel of the major distros by default (It's so much easier if I can just say 'If you use mandrake/suse/fedora/ubuntu, this will JustWork')03:58
libbenroo_, ? dident know there was 2 diffrent thing =)03:58
tritiumyoupi_, yep03:58
roo_libben, now you do :)03:58
canllaithDoes ubunto have a /boot/config-foo file like many other distros do?03:58
youpi_thank you a lot tritium03:58
libbenallways taught it was just flash =)03:58
roo_libben, shockwave != flash03:58
tritiumyoupi_, sure :)03:58
libbenits noT ?03:58
libbenman =)03:58
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libbenim actaully LOL here.... oooh boy.. well... everyday is something new to discover03:58
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libbencan i remove the gnome bittorrent and just intall azeruz?03:59
libbencause it want to take som deps with it if i remove it03:59
Nekohayolibben, yes, and no need to remove gnome bittorrent03:59
NekohayoI think03:59
jef_bout time a good distro fits on one cd03:59
drkryu.... no one can help?...04:00
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libbenNekohayo, well why would i want it left on my system when im gonna use azeruz04:00
tritiumlibben, it will only remove ubuntu-desktop, which is metapackage.04:00
Nekohayolibben, dunno, hang it to the wall ;)04:00
libbenyeah... ubuntu-desktop is just to update the menu with it removed?04:00
libbenif i understood it right?04:01
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drkryudoes anyone else know of a fix for dell inspiron 1100, bios a31, to run proper resolutions04:01
roo_^ use it, then ask.04:02
libbenwhy are the ubuntu-guide for horay saying ~/opt/azeruz ? what is opt short for?04:02
drkryuwho me?04:02
libbendrkryu,  have u setted xorg.conf with right values for horizontal and vertical values for ur monitor specs ?04:03
roo_we should put ESR's "How To Ask Questions The Smart Way" [http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]  in the topic.04:03
roo_socomm, right?04:03
drkryui followed that04:03
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drkryuand still it didnt work04:03
tritiumlibben, http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/04:03
socommroo_: Dunno, this isn't my channel.04:03
rnzIf I select "no screen saver" then Screen Lock do not work anymore. Is this a bug?04:04
roo_socomm, nor mine.04:04
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jef_what should i do to install fglrx driver after the apt-get04:04
socommrnz: No.04:04
socommjef_: insmod?04:05
drkryulinnen, any other ideas?04:05
Xeon3Dsocomm, modprobe is better :D04:05
tritiumjef_, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto04:05
jef_i shouldnt fglrxconfig and replace xorg.conf?04:05
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hunteri just installed ubuntu about 5 mins ago what do i have to do to install the latest nvidia drivers04:06
tritiumhunter, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto04:06
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Dreamer3is there something better than vnc to use on a 100mbit-hubbed network for full-screen 1280x1024 smooth remote control?04:06
socommWow, #ubuntu == spoon feeding.04:06
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drkryuSocomm, lol04:07
libbendrkryu, ?04:07
Jas0njust downloaded the iso and my computer is so old it wont boot from cdrom04:07
fsapohi.. anybody knows a app or xmms plugin to make a shoutcast server?04:07
Jas0nanyway to bypass this?04:07
drkryuLibben, nevermind04:07
drkryuLibben, thanks though04:07
socommJas0n: Boot floppy?04:07
Jas0nhow i make one?04:07
tritiumfsapo, apt-cache search shoutcast to look for one04:07
whiskersJas0n, that is not a problem...go get freedos04:07
Dreamer3Jas0n: you probably don't wnat to put ubuntu on it then04:08
xMaximexhoary comes with only one gnome theme ?04:08
whiskersJas0n, it has a cdrom driver04:08
libbendrkryu,  u got it working ?04:08
Dreamer3Jas0n: at least not a full install with gnome04:08
jef_wow more simple than i was thinking04:08
pussfellerupgrade the bios...04:08
Jas0nwell i can boot with a 98 boot disk to access the cd rom04:08
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roo_xMaximex, gnome-themes04:08
fsapotritium, nothing found :(04:08
Jas0ni just wondered if there was an exe or something i cud execute04:08
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whiskersJas0n, yes if you paid for Win98 like I had to do04:09
tritiumfsapo, do you not have universe and multiverse enabled?04:09
drkryuLibben, Oh no its not working the way i want it too04:09
fsapotritium, yes i do04:09
tritiumfsapo, Hoary?04:09
soni still dont know what a kernel is but i dont care04:09
whiskersJas0n, but if you did not...there is always freedos04:09
drkryulibben, its still stuck in 640X48004:09
NekohayoI want to get rid of some KDE apps (such as kate, kwrite, kprint, etc etc) since I have installed KDE only for its libs (to get amarok running under gnome). This would remove kdebase, is that safe?04:09
fsapotritium, yes04:09
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soni still dont know what a kernel is but i dont care04:09
fsapotritium, already searched google too... didnt find anything :(04:10
spanglesontoastthe main part of the machine04:10
pussfelleris this a song04:10
zenroxson,  kernel = brains of an os04:10
jef_how do i set ata for my ide hdd?04:10
tritiumfsapo, if you have Hoary universe and multiverse, then you can search shoutcast and find several, including shoutcast-server and darkice04:10
RiddellNekohayo: yes that's safe, kdebase is only a meta-package04:10
Xeon3DNekohayo, it's better if yo just removed them thru dpkg.04:10
tritiumicecast-server, rather, fsapo04:10
Dreamer3any thoughts, VNC doesn't feel very fast... i'm looking for something more like RDP for windows (as in responsiveness)04:10
spanglesontoasteverything else is put onto to interface with the kernel04:10
roo_zenrox, troll, kindly ignore :)04:10
zenroxroo_,  yes sir04:10
NekohayoXeon3D, but they would get back in when kdebase would get upgraded wouldn't they?04:10
fsapotritium, found this http://www.shoutcast.com/download/files.phtml04:11
fsapotritium, i ll try it out04:11
tritiumfsapo, no, use the ubuntu package intsead04:11
Nekohayothanks for the tip ;)04:11
libbendrkryu, have u changed the values ? what values do u use now ?04:11
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zenroxDreamer3, try tsclient04:11
drkryuLibben, i changed the values 31.5-48.5, 59.0-75.004:11
libbencat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Horiz04:11
Dreamer3zenrox: that's what i'm using, wondering if there is any way to make vnc "better"04:12
libbenwhat does it say when u type that in console ?04:12
Dreamer3zenrox: it seems sluggist04:12
jef_whats a command line txt editor ?04:12
jef_for ubuntu04:12
drkryulibben. one sec04:12
zenroxtsclient ant vnc04:12
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zenroxit actuly uses the win RDP and others aswell04:13
billyocjef_: there's ed and ex.04:13
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tritiumjef_, vi and nano as well04:13
drkryuLibben, option "horizscrolldelta"   "0"04:13
billyocohoh, i thought you meant a line editor.04:13
libbendid u type it right ?04:13
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libbencat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep HorizSync04:14
drkryuLibben, i give up04:14
libbendont give up04:14
drkryuLibben, im gonna write my own drivers04:14
libbenur on ubuntu Horady ?04:15
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hunterhow do i install point 2 play on ubuntu04:15
drkryuthis is the only distro i have had this much trouble with04:15
libbenwww.pastebin.com and paste the whole xorg.conf and give me the url04:15
hybridon the command line when i am using mpg123 what argument plays an mp3?04:15
spanglesontoastwhat's flashplayer-mozilla now called?04:15
libbenspanglesontoast, exactly that04:15
Dreamer3here is a question you're not asked every day04:16
tritiumspanglesontoast, my bad04:16
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hunterhow do i install point2play???04:16
Dreamer3i want to run gimp on my laptop and export the app (via X client/server stuff) to my desktop04:16
spanglesontoaststill not there04:16
roo_Dreamer3, ssh with X forwarding. go go google!04:16
tritiumspanglesontoast, it's in universe04:16
drkryuLibben, thanks for you time04:16
drkryubye all04:16
tritiumargh, multiverse, spanglesontoast04:16
roo_Dreamer3, its trivial, <1min to set up.04:16
libbenspanglesontoast, apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla and u need multiverse04:16
spanglesontoastwhere that?04:17
Dreamer3roo_: no 3 step quick how to? :)04:17
spanglesontoasthow I get that?04:17
libbendrkryu, have u made the www.pastebin.com yet?04:17
roo_Dreamer3, nope. googling is a valuable skills. :)04:17
Dreamer3roo_: i know how to goggle, just feeling lazy04:17
xMaximexdrkryu,  continu, i think i have the same problem :)04:17
whiskerstritium, i wonder how long restricted formats and encryption techologies will be debated...because this argument is what keeps both linux and microsoft going04:17
roo_Dreamer3, well, so am i ;)04:17
libbenur gonna ?04:17
drkryuprob not04:17
Dreamer3roo_: will it work with ubuntu eaisly by default, no security settings to change?04:17
libbendo it04:17
xMaximexI can't configure the refresh rate higher than 6004:17
spanglesontoastgive me a link libben04:17
drkryuhold on04:17
hunterwhats the command to install point 2 play i dled off www.transgaming.net its a .tgz file how to i download it04:17
huntererr install ity04:18
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tritiumspanglesontoast, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#repositories04:18
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spanglesontoasthunter theres a .deb on there too04:18
spanglesontoastty tri04:18
libbentake tritium's instead04:18
roo_Dreamer3, pretty much. altho if u've never used ssh (and "openssh-server") you should read up on it.04:18
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Dreamer3roo_: i use ssh every day :)04:18
Dreamer3roo_: though my ubuntu doesn't seem to have it yet... :-/04:18
milliDreamer3:  Just use "--display" option to gaim04:18
libbendrkryu, gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and paste it into www.pastebin.com and give the url here when u have done it04:18
Dreamer3milli: i have to use a special option?04:18
xMaximexhunter, what do you want to do ?04:19
n4chtfor the love of god, why can't nvidia-glx updates come at the same time of the xorg, or even AFTER xorg, rather than before?   i'm getting so damn sick of updating nvidia-glx and then NOT being able to use it for a day or two until xorg gets updated.04:19
tritiumwhiskers, yeah04:19
drkryuhold on04:19
milliIf you don't care to do the ssh tunneling bit04:19
millii.e, the laptop and desktop are inside the same network04:19
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fsapotritium, can u try it out for me please?04:20
spanglesontoastdone :)04:20
tritiumfsapo, try what?04:20
fsapothe shoutcast :)04:20
spanglesontoastopen with xmms :)04:20
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tritiumfsapo, if you wish.  So you decided not to install the ubuntu icecast-server package?04:20
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libbenI just did this in my /home/libben sudo tar jxvf Azureus_2.2.0.2_linux.GTK.tar.bz2 -C /opt/04:21
libbenbut i cant find the folder in my home folder04:21
libbenwont see it with ls -a even04:21
libbendid not find it with locate and find04:21
fsapotritium, didnt find it here04:21
fsapotritium, i ll search for it again04:21
tritiumfsapo, someting is wrong with your setup then04:21
spanglesontoastgreat apt-get is moaning about gpg keys..........04:21
Dreamer3cannot open display unset04:21
hunterxMaximex, i want to put point2play on my computer so i can run windows based games04:21
fsapotritium, lol.. icecast found :D04:22
Jas0ndownloaded the odin img file, now what? just put it onto the floppy?04:22
fsapotritium, installing :D04:22
tritiumspanglesontoast, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary/04:22
tritiumfsapo, good04:22
Dreamer3can't open display04:22
hyphenatedhmm.. with apt, does everything stay in /var/cache/apt/archives until it's deleted manually?04:22
tritiumhyphenated, you can use apt-get clean04:22
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Dreamer3roo_: the simplest examples i've found don't work out of the box04:22
Dreamer3roo_: they don't seem to know what screen to attach to or something04:23
xMaximexhunter, point2play ?? what is that ? i know cedega (WineX) to play windows based games, but not point2play04:23
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hunterxMaximex, its the same thing its just a application that runs cedega04:23
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xMaximexokay, so you have to pay for cegeda ?04:23
xf_hi, trying to install ubuntu onto a dell poweredge 750 server; it isn't detecting the cd-rom drive.  any clues?04:23
libbendid not find it with locate and find04:24
hyphenatedtritium: well.. can I copy /var/cache/apt/archive/* to another machine (along with /etc/apt/sources.list) and save me redownloading them all?04:24
roo_Dreamer3, which is the host? (the one with gaim on it)04:24
libbenI just did this in my /home/libben sudo tar jxvf Azureus_2.2.0.2_linux.GTK.tar.bz2 -C /opt/ and i cant see the /opt/ folder04:24
tritiumhyphenated, yes04:24
libbenwhere did it goo?04:24
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hyphenatedtritium: awesome, thanks04:24
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HackRipis there a GMT time when hoary final will be released ? or is it random today ?04:24
libbencause i did it in my /home/libben/04:24
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Dreamer3roo_: my laptop,
milliDreamer3:  On the desktop, allow remote connections and also allow remote apps to show up...  "xhost +" from a shell...04:24
xMaximexdrkryu, ??? where is the xorg.conf ?04:25
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Xeon3Dlibben, ls /home/libben/04:25
tritiumxMaximex, /etc/X11/xorg.conf04:25
libbenXeon3D, doh =) allready did =) and its not there....04:25
scottjanyone played .wma files in rhythmbox? the RestrictedFormats page has Windows Media Audio under #6 but doesn't say how to get it working, it's also listed under section 9 in the summary. any ideas?04:25
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Xeon3Dlibben, ls ~04:25
xMaximextritium, lol i know, but he's supposed to paste it in pastbin.com :)04:25
roo_Dreamer3, ok so on the desktop install and start sshd04:25
tritiumxMaximex, heh, sorry ;)04:25
whiskersxMaximex, the last i heard cedega was a restricted program to only paying customers04:25
Dreamer3roo_: done... now i need to xhost +
libbenXeon3D, i was following this http://ubuntuguide.org/temp/#azureus04:26
xMaximexwhiskers, yea i know, that's pretty shitty04:26
hunterxMaximex, ive had ubuntu for like 20 mins now and im tryin to install cedega04:26
libbenive typed all 3 command lines..04:26
xMaximexwhiskers, there's a free version of WineX on CVS04:26
libbenand i cant find that damn folder =)04:26
whiskersxMaximex, well it all depends on which side of the debate you stand on04:26
roo_Dreamer3, on desktop "ssh -X /usr/bin/gaim"04:26
spanglesontoastsure cedega was on cvs too04:26
Dreamer3roo_: oh04:26
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spanglesontoastjust no p2p04:26
xMaximexbut that doesn't support all games i guess04:26
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Dreamer3roo_: i think i got things backwards04:27
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roo_Dreamer3, i thought so.  :roll:04:27
xMaximexhunter, did you pay ?04:27
hunteri have an account and i have p2p downloaded to my desktop but i dont know how to install it cause ive had ubuntu for a grand total of 30 mins04:27
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Dreamer3roo_: WOW04:27
spanglesontoaststill cannot get these keys04:27
roo_Dreamer3, working?04:27
Dreamer3roo_: yep :)04:27
Dreamer3roo_: this is so cool04:27
spanglesontoasthunter, you could just bring it up04:27
xMaximexhunter, ok, what is the file format ?04:27
Dreamer3roo_: the posibilities are endless04:27
scottjwhen I try to install mplayer on hoary it says it needs newer versions of libfontconfig1 and libvorbis0a than are available. anyone had this problem?04:28
roo_Dreamer3, heh, yep, old trick thats been around for years and years.04:28
spanglesontoastget the .deb one04:28
xMaximexhunter, first tar xvzf file.tgz04:28
whiskersxMaximex, so in summary...yes shitty as you say for some but not for the megacorporations04:28
milliDreamer3:  roo_'s way is safer anyway04:28
Dreamer3roo_: yeah, i know just never had an occasion to use it before04:28
whiskersxMaximex, that own all the lawyers04:28
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roo_milli, Dreamer3, power to the ssh! i saw if in doubt, encrypt.04:28
Dreamer3roo_: it feels TERRIBLY fast, this is all over encrypted ssh?04:28
xMaximexwhiskers, yes, but it's shitty for us that pay for a game, and we must pay again to play it on linux04:28
tritiumwhiskers, this issue seems very important to you04:29
roo_Dreamer3, yeah.04:29
whiskersxMaximex, yes it is shitty for the consumer but not the producer04:29
xMaximexof course04:29
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milliRemote Desktop is way cool too.04:29
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davixerm, ok, now how do I activate the Geforce? Fx5500 TV OUT exit?04:29
hunteri came over from slackware 10 so i have no idea how to work ubuntu is there some command i have to type in the console in order to run it??04:30
libbenXeon3D, any idea?04:30
xMaximexhunter, did you extract the file ?04:30
tritiumdavix, read /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz -- it has all the details04:30
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libbencause i cant  understand where it went04:30
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davixtnx alot tritium, youve been tons of help04:30
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tritiumdavix, :)04:30
hunterxMaximex, just did to the desktop now what?04:30
libbensudo tar jxvf Azureus_2.2.0.2_linux.GTK.tar.bz2 -C /opt/04:30
tritiumdavix, I have an xorg.conf you can see if you like04:31
xMaximexhunter, cat README? or cat INSTALL04:31
libbensudo chown -R root:root /opt/azureus/04:31
Dreamer3roo_: i just can't get over this04:32
hunterdosnt have either that i can see04:32
roo_Dreamer3, lol, think of useful things to do, u'll have years of fun :)04:32
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spanglesontoasthow do I control which audio is the main one for my system?04:32
davixtritium, is it same for all cards?04:32
roo_Dreamer3, even BETTER, write a doc on the Wiki about how to set it up :D04:32
Dreamer3roo_: now, if i choose open file, it'll act on REMOTE files though, right?04:32
xMaximexpaste me in query the content of the directory04:32
davixid like to take a look, tnx tritium04:32
spanglesontoastanyone ?04:33
pussfellerhunter is there a something.sh  in there04:33
tritiumdavix, more or less04:33
Dreamer3roo_: too bad it can't access local stuff04:33
libbenIm so fucking tired04:33
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pussfellerussualy binaries like that have a .bin or .sh to run04:33
libbenman.. how could i not get the command =) /opt/ hehehe04:33
tritiumdavix, okay, actually, I have an old XF86Config-4 with TV-out, but the syntax is identical to what goes in your xorg.conf04:33
Dreamer3roo_: can you do this without SSH?04:34
roo_Dreamer3, yeah, lots of ways of doing it.04:34
davixcan you dcc it to me tritium ?04:34
whiskersyou see at the core of this all is the central disagreement between consumers who don't want to be shafted and megacorporation producers who want to maximize profits04:34
roo_Dreamer3, none more secure tho.04:34
scottjso I have .wma working w/ totem, is there anyway to get it working with rhythmbox?04:34
Dreamer3roo_: well i'm already thinking of "weak" clients and strong servers...04:34
spanglesontoasthow do i control my audio more than the mixer04:34
roo_Dreamer3, thin clients?04:34
hunterxMaximex, found a file that shows sh on it04:34
Dreamer3roo_: seems the SSH enctryption would slow things down though04:34
Dreamer3roo_: yes, i know that phrase, just tire d:)04:35
xMaximexhunter, then run : sh file.sh04:35
roo_Dreamer3, VNC is the way to implement thin client architectures properly.04:35
resiakssh -C !04:35
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Dreamer3roo_: is that right?04:35
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scottjis there a good gnome program for loading ssh keys into memory?04:35
bitsmashcan someone tell me h ow to install java jre for java in web browsers04:35
tritiumroo_, not necessarily04:35
Dreamer3roo_: it's not very usable to get to my laptop unless i'm missing a LOT... uses a lot of CPU04:36
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tritiumbitsmash, Method 2: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java04:36
michaeli dont suppose anyone here knows how to set file ermissions on an ext3 partition so a user can access.edit them, do they?04:36
bitsmashshould they not just make an apt-get install for it?04:36
tritiumNo, Sun won't let them04:36
Dreamer3roo_: of course i'm using gnome's built in vnc04:36
Dreamer3roo_: that may be the problem04:36
Dreamer3roo_: so you're not in favor of LTSP (which uses remote X if i'm not mistaken?)04:37
roo_ive seen some very impressive, commercially used vnc implementations over X.04:37
michaelive read through the man for fstab and mount, and it doesnt mention anything about it.04:37
tritiumbitsmash, Sun's java licensing is too restrictive for that04:37
michaelis it possible?04:37
spanglesontoastWill someone plz tell me how I can control my audio more?04:37
michaelwhat do you mean by more?04:37
Dreamer3roo_:  you mean X over vns, not vnc over x04:37
tritiummichael, see here: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/04:37
kpetersonspamg;espmtpast what do you mean04:38
michaelcheers mate.04:38
roo_Dreamer3, yup04:38
kpetersonlol whoops04:38
roo_Dreamer3, its 3:40am here  %(04:38
spanglesontoastI want to control which one is used for the main sounds04:38
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spanglesontoastof gnome04:38
scottjwhat's the trick with /proc/cpufreq? I change userspace to performance but as soon as I leave the file it's replaced04:38
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Dreamer3roo_: so like the clients would have a framebuffer or svga vnc client, not even X, or more complicated?04:38
kpetersonwhich one what spanglesontoast04:38
digitalfoxhey, how do I get the sources for 2.6.10-5-386 ?04:38
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roo_Dreamer3, ive seen some extremely thin clients, not quite a fb, but close.04:39
spanglesontoasthuh well I have 2 cards04:39
digitalfoxI need to compile an external kernel module04:39
tritiumdigitalfox, apt-get linux-source-2.6.10-5-38604:39
Dreamer3roo_: so they were using X still on the client?04:39
tritiumdigitalfox, apt-get install, that is04:39
tritiumI'm having an off-night!04:39
crimsun(it'd be linux-source-2.6.10)04:39
tritiumquite an off night!04:39
crimsun(or linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386)04:40
hunterim soo confused on where to go to run it04:40
tritiumthanks, crimsun :)04:40
crimsunnp :)04:40
Dreamer3roo_: wish i had more time to learn about such things04:40
roo_Dreamer3, in one example i saw, yeah.04:40
roo_Dreamer3, what do u do for a living?04:40
digitalfox"E invalid operation linux-source-2.6.10-5-386"04:40
tritiumdigitalfox, are you building a kernel module?04:40
digitalfoxYes, tritium04:41
tritiumdigitalfox, I told you wrong04:41
digitalfoxfor a wireless card04:41
tritiumsee crimsun's correction above04:41
Dreamer3roo_: web design, systems admin, pc repairs, etc, etc...04:41
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michaelsorry spanglesontoast, no idea mate. hope you find the answer your looking for!04:41
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tritiumYou actually only need linux-headers, digitalfox04:41
whiskerswow the bionic eye discussion on slashdot is interesting...how can people know which pathways of the brain are mapped to which signals04:41
fsaposomebody could test my radio for me? thanx04:41
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crimsundigitalfox: have you ensured that your wifi nic isn't supported directly or via ndiswrapper?04:41
hunterxMaximex, ok i extracted the files into a folder and there was 1 sh file on it what exactuly do i type in the console to run it04:41
digitalfoxsame errors04:42
tritiumfor linux-headers?04:42
digitalfoxcrimsun, It's not my NIC04:42
digitalfoxapt-get linux-headers-2.6.10 didn't work04:42
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crimsundigitalfox: regardless, have you checked for those two conditions?04:42
tritiumdigitalfox, in that case, you do need the full version number04:42
xMaximexhunter, i already told you, type: sh yourfilename.sh04:43
spanglesontoastis there a gui for apt-get and it runs off the same sources so i can type apt-get install packagehere04:43
tritiumspanglesontoast, yes, synaptic.04:43
geneo93maybe he needs sudo04:43
Dreamer3roo_: i'm trying to think of other practical applications04:43
tritiumspanglesontoast, are you using Hoary?  If so, it's under System->Administration04:43
davixtritium, couldnt quite get it right, can you hint me what are the most important things to import to my xorg?04:43
spanglesontoastya I know about synaptic04:44
spanglesontoastbut I can't get all the same packages04:44
Dreamer3crimsun: noapic didn't have any effect, do you suggest trying nolapic and combos of each?04:44
roo_Dreamer3, i find it handy more than anything, altho im not reliant on X anyway04:44
tritiumspanglesontoast, it uses the same /etc/apt/sources.list04:44
Dreamer3roo_: i use X for everyday work on the desktop, so i guess i'm reliant on it :)04:44
spanglesontoastah ok04:44
spanglesontoastyou know I wasted 25 on a fedora core 3 bible04:44
tritiumdavix, yes, starting from the "Option "TwinView" "True"" line04:44
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digitalfoxthanks guys!04:45
digitalfoxforgot to tell me to put "install" in there :p04:45
spanglesontoastglad I downloaded this distro04:45
digitalfoxj/k I should know what I'm doing before using a distro anywya ^^04:45
davixcan you repost me the link :( lost it04:45
tritiumright on, spanglesontoast :)04:45
spanglesontoastI now have surround sound04:45
tritiumdavix, http://www.pastebin.com/26770804:45
digitalfoxUbuntu is great, I'd use it on my main laptop but I'm too lazy to reformat04:45
spanglesontoastand my bass and centre work04:45
roo_Dreamer3, off to bed, tmo :)04:46
marskaHello... I tried to mount a USB device (its worked before) and the following message came up.. mount: block device /dev/sr0 is write-protected, mounting read-only04:46
marskamount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sr0,04:46
marska       or too many mounted file systems04:46
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spanglesontoastas soon as i've sorted cedega out04:46
marskaWhats up?04:46
spanglesontoastbye bye windows04:46
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kkathmangood evening all :)04:46
spanglesontoastjesus lots of packages to update 9304:46
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crimsunDreamer3: what about pci=noacpi?04:47
tritiumZotnix, you're a multi-poker04:47
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hunterok it didnt work i typed in this root@Hunter:/home/hunter/Desktop/P2P/usr/bin # sh Point2Play  and it showed this Point2Play: line 27: /usr/lib/transgaming_point2play/bin/python: No such file or  directory04:47
digitalfoxyes Zotnix?04:47
digitalfoxoh hi :)04:47
Dreamer3crimsun: ok, i'll try that04:47
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whiskersmarska, sounds like you misspelled something in your mount command04:47
spanglesontoastwhy did you make hunter try and compile it from source04:48
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spanglesontoastwhy not tell him to install the .deb package04:48
xMaximexI installed gnome-themes .. where can i change the theme ?04:48
xMaximexhunter, sudo apt-get install python04:48
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xMaximexoops hehe didn't see04:48
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spanglesontoastisn't ubuntu quite similar to debian?04:50
fsapo:( damn something is blocking my port... how can i open the port 8000 here?04:50
tritiumspanglesontoast, very much so04:50
spanglesontoastso I can use most .deb packages04:50
fsapoi m using pppoe04:50
tritiumfsapo, your router, probably?04:50
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whiskersspanglesontoast, well in a way...but debian used to come with 8 cds and ubuntu comes with 104:50
fsapotritium, i dont think so04:50
tritiumspanglesontoast, it would be better to use ubuntu .deb packages exclusively, if you can04:50
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CBcan someone tell me how to install RPMs properly in ubuntu?04:50
whiskersspanglesontoast, but lots of stuff is online04:50
fsapotritium, i used to open servers using windowsXP04:50
spanglesontoastah kool04:51
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spanglesontoastcan I use it on a p3 machine?04:51
tritiumfsapo, are you behind a router, though?  You might check port-forwarding on that port04:51
tritiumspanglesontoast, sure :)04:51
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fsapotritium, how do i do it?04:51
spanglesontoastnot sure if the graphics is supported thou04:51
tritiumfsapo, that depends on which router you have.04:51
tritiumspanglesontoast, it probably is04:52
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Xeon3Dis there any msn client with webcam support for Linux ?04:52
CBcan someone tell me how to install RPMs properly in ubuntu?04:52
HillToptritium, if I have opened up to Universe to get a few things like adobie, can I make my package scope back down to just ubuntu? Thanks04:52
billyocCB: check out alien04:52
fsapotritium, but how do i check my config here? i dont know if i enabled firewall or something like it04:52
zenroxXeon3D, amsn04:52
spanglesontoastit's an ati mach6404:52
tritiumHillTop, comment out the line where you included universe (unless you added it to the end of your main and restricted line)04:52
Xeon3Dzendog, amsn to my knowledge doesn't support webcams :P04:52
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zendoghehe, np04:53
tritiumHillTop, then, do an update with your package manager of choice04:53
HillToptritium, Then my upgrading to Hoary will run fine, cool.04:53
spanglesontoastyou think that will run?04:53
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zenroxXeon3D,  gaim sonthing has it but its flakly at best04:53
marskawhiskers: No. I typed it correctly.04:53
tritiumHillTop, your upgrade to Hoary will work, even if you have universe04:53
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whiskersmarska, ok what does dmesg say is it still using /dev/sr)04:54
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hunterspanglesontoast, im not even sure what it is im doing i really need like a step by step guide on how to install cedega04:54
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tritiumspanglesontoast, I do, but I have seem some strange "banding" with that video card04:54
jeaviswhat UML I can use in ubuntu?04:54
LiberalTugboathey hey hey04:54
marskasr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 2x/24x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray04:54
whiskersmarska, ok and you have a cd in it and you typed mount -t iso9660 /dev/sr0 /media/usbcdrom04:55
HillTopJas0n asked about booting from a floppy, - look up  Smart BootManager here:   http://btmgr.webframe.org/    too bad he has left  Is there a way to memo him?04:55
marskaError message in dmesg: attempt to access beyond end of device04:55
marskasr0: rw=0, want=68, limit=404:55
marskaisofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=sr0, iso_blknum=16, block=1604:55
marskaWhiskers: Yes04:55
whiskersmarska, are all characters lower case04:55
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tritiumspanglesontoast, just a strange effect on the display.  You may or may not experience it.04:56
spanglesontoastbut you use that card?04:56
Dreamer3can i start a whole remote-session via something like ssh -X /usr/bin/gnome-session?04:56
tritiumspanglesontoast, no, but my mother does, and her Warty install had that banding effect04:56
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spanglesontoastI'll let you know mate if it does04:57
tritiumspanglesontoast, good luck :)04:57
spanglesontoastit has a onboard one which is agp04:57
marskawhiskers: In my command?04:57
sophie_msumui d like to load enlightenment04:57
spanglesontoastbut that didn't like x on fedora either04:57
marskaWhiskers: yes04:57
sophie_msumui installed but it s not in my list04:57
tritiumsophie_msumu, that's in Hoary universe04:57
whiskersmarska, ok forget the mount...there is a more basic problem04:57
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jeaviswhat UML I can use in ubuntu?04:58
whiskersmarska, try unplugging the usb and plugging in again and read dmesg again04:58
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sophie_msumuTritoch|L, i installed but i don't see it04:58
crimsunjeavis: apt-cache search unified model04:58
infiesmb.conf (and the gui administration) lists my workgroup as WORKGROUP, but it shows as MSHOME on a smbclient -L [this box name] 04:59
whiskersmarska, you need to get a clear message from dmesg before bothering with mount04:59
sophie_msumutritium, i installed but i don't see it04:59
tritiumsophie_msumu, dpkg -L enlightenment will find its file locations04:59
marskawhiskers: The second message is the error I get when I try to point it.04:59
sophie_msumutritium, ?05:00
tritiumsophie_msumu, ?05:00
whiskersmarska, ok what does the dmesg section say05:00
whiskersmarska, is it giving you i/o errors05:00
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tritiumHey there ells :)05:01
sophie_msumutritium, dpkg -L enlightenment what is this ?05:01
ellstritium: hey Mike05:01
jeaviscrimsun; thank you05:01
tritiumsophie_msumu, it lists the files in enlightenment05:01
crimsunjeavis: np05:01
marskausb 4-2: new high speed USB device using address 505:01
marskascsi2 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices05:01
marska  Vendor: ASUS      Model: SCB-2408          Rev: 1.2B05:01
marska  Type:   CD-ROM                             ANSI SCSI revision: 0205:01
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marskasr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 2x/24x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray05:01
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marskaAttached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 005:01
marskaUSB Mass Storage device found at 505:01
marskacdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize!05:02
ellstritium: I tried compressing the iso I made, but it would not let me compress it below 94 percent or so05:02
tritiumsophie_msumu, you might also check the docs in /usr/share/doc/enlightenment05:02
whiskersmarska, well the kernel picked it up ok...so try another known good cd05:02
sophie_msumutritium, I told ya i have enlightenment installed05:02
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marskaWhsikers: Alright.. Worked. Sorry05:02
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tritiumsophie_msumu, yes, but you also said you can't find it05:02
tritiumells, you may not be able to compress it any more05:03
ellstritium: it wont go far enough to put it on a 4.7g dvd05:03
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tritiumThat's too bad, ells :(05:03
ellstritium: It will go down to about 6.7 gig05:03
sophie_msumutritium, i want to load it05:03
sophie_msumuload it05:03
sophie_msumui see where the files are at05:03
tritiumsophie_msumu, I don't run it.  That's why I suggested you read the docs in the location I mentioned05:04
LevanderIs there a page that lists the issues remaining for hoary to stop being a release candidate and start just being a regular release?05:04
mike_douglasI want a way to distribute hosts files over 10-20 computers, but DNS seems a bit too much. Is there another way to easily manage host resolution?05:04
LevanderJust wondering how many problems still exist to determine whether to upgrade.05:04
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xMaximexdoes someone installed teamspeak client for linux ?05:04
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dazedwhere can i find icon files for some of the menu apps?05:04
tritiumdazed, many are in /usr/share/pixmaps05:05
Levandermike_douglas: u could use nfs to mount the host files, but I see no reason u wouldn't just use DNS, it's not that bad.05:05
libbenanyone good at xorg.conf ? i really need help. http://www.pastebin.com/26771605:05
dazedthanks tritium05:05
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tritiumlibben, what's the issue?05:05
Levandermike_douglas: i think there are simpler dns server packages than bind9 though, u could look into those05:05
tritiumdazed, np05:05
sophie_msumudoes someone in here use "enlightenment" ?05:05
Levandernobody with an opinion or a link as to how many problems are still in hoary?05:06
tritiumsophie_msumu, the docs were no help?05:06
sophie_msumutritium, think its about some line i d write05:06
mike_douglasLevander: alright, I'll take a look at those05:06
LiberalTugboatHoary is awesome05:06
tritiumsophie_msumu, huh?05:06
Levanderlibben: did u have X up and running on warty before installing hoary?  Just seems like lots having problems with x.org.05:07
libbenI dont get my 1400x1050 resolution... its the only one in there... and still it pops me out to 1280x1024... if u look in the dell url i gave in the pastebin file.. it dont give out any pointers that it can run 1400x1050... but i could rund that before i updated alot of packages...05:07
kkathmanWow Im pretty impressed with KsCD...very stable and reliable for CD playing05:07
libbenI dont have correct glx... can that be the truble?05:07
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sophie_msumutritium, i don't have e16 mentionned in the desktop list you know05:07
libbenLevander, nope.. fresh netinstall05:07
Levanderlibben: ah, i see05:07
tritiumsophie_msumu, no, I don't know what desktop list you're referring to05:07
Dreamer3can anyone call me with gnome-meeting and see if it works?05:07
libbengot the resolution to work, then i did update from update-notifier,... and it was about 350 packages to update05:08
Levandersince I got X running already, hopefully my upgrade to hoary will just work.05:08
Dreamer3i'm having trouble with a friend with netmeeting and don't know if it's my firewall or not05:08
mcrawforanyone know how to get a framebuffer boot screen in ubuntu05:08
sophie_msumutritium, GDM05:08
tritiumlibben, there were some problems with today's xorg upgrade05:08
libbenand after att reboot of box next day... it was forced to 1280x102405:08
kkathmanDreamer3, I would but Im under KDE :)05:08
Dreamer3kkathman: well you could use kde-meeting *laughs*05:08
libbentritium, well.. i havent had any problem with that... this problem was caused 2 days ago sorta05:08
tritiumlibben, hmm...05:08
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kkathmanDreamer3, well ok...lemme see05:09
danikatai cant find command : dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? how to activate that command, did my isntallation not completely?05:09
libben6 new packs to update though =) just noticed it =)05:09
kkathmanDreamer3, Gotta find it first05:09
sophie_msumutritium, I am talking about the "welcome" screen where you can chose the session & log on05:09
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tritiumdanikata, you installed Warty?05:09
LiberalTugboatdanikata, you need to use sudo for that05:09
sophie_msumutritium, got it ?05:09
libbenbut if u look at resolutions my monitor can handle... there is no 1400x1050 in there.. but my monitor can handle 1600x1200 ..05:09
LiberalTugboatand if your running hoary its xserver-xorg05:10
tritiumsophie_msumu, be nice please05:10
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kkathmanDreamer3, looks like I have Gnome Meeting on my KDE anyway05:10
Artemis3why not use 1600x1200 then?05:10
tritiumdanikata, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg05:10
TwEeTdoes anyone have the binary for gnomebaker05:10
sophie_msumutritium, I am kind to you05:10
LiberalTugboatsudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg05:10
danikatatritium, thk05:10
Dreamer3kkathman: ah05:10
TwEeTcan someone mail me the binary thechitowncubs@gmail.com05:10
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LiberalTugboatTwEeT, its on the ubuntu website05:10
TwEeTthe site is down05:11
danikatawhat the meaning of sudo ?05:11
TwEeTthe gnomebaker is down05:11
tritiumTwEeT, search the wiki05:11
kkathmanDreamer3, I havent configured a camera tho05:11
LiberalTugboatsuper user do05:11
TwEeTthe gnomebaker site is down05:11
danikatasorry i'm newbie05:11
TwEeTwhat should i search05:11
tritiumTwEeT, gnomebaker05:11
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sophie_msumudanikata, super doer05:11
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TwEeTthe site is down that is serving it05:12
LiberalTugboatthats the link to gnomebaker05:12
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SiRrUswow many updates tonight05:12
tritiumHi SiRrUs05:12
TwEeTpeople.debian.org is down05:12
LiberalTugboatyeah it does look like its down05:12
SiRrUstritium how you doing05:12
tritiumSiRrUs, fine, thanks.  yourself?05:12
LiberalTugboatthats for hoary05:13
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TwEeT<LiberalTugboat> hmm its not connecting05:13
SiRrUstritium I am great.... but I will get better thanks05:13
LiberalTugboatprobably my firewall05:13
crimsunfor information regarding gnomebaker, please read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/04/msg00006.html05:13
TwEeT<danikata> could you mail it to me, that would be great05:13
LiberalTugboatIll email it05:13
tritiumgreat and getting better sounds awesome, SiRrUs :)05:14
tritiumWell, good night!05:14
TwEeT<LiberalTugboat> thanks05:14
SiRrUssee you later05:14
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danikataill mail05:15
x_orI am having trouble playing a CDROM.  I wonder if I need to play in "digital" mode, since I imagine the CDROM is not plugged into the sound card.  Any suggestions?  Is there an alternative CDROM player?05:16
xMaximexif i configure teamspeak client to use oss /dev/dsp .. will it work ?05:16
LiberalTugboatx_or, try digital mode05:16
danikatahow to email u tweet ?05:16
LiberalTugboatxMaximex, try it05:16
LiberalTugboatdanikata, I sent it already05:16
TwEeTthanks guys05:16
danikatai cant pv u05:17
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xMaximexLiberalTugboat,  dont work .. does someone already makes teamspeak work ?05:17
x_orLiberalTugBoat:  OK, how do I do this, there is nothing in the preferences.05:17
LiberalTugboatBRB, Im going to go log into xfce05:17
x_orI am using the standard cd player which pops up when I insert a CD.05:17
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LeeJunFanas of todays Xorg update I'm seeing a lot of mem use :(05:17
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LiberalTugboatwell Im not sure, I have always plugged the cdrom into the sound card05:18
LeeJunFanhad to restart my X session earlier at 340M, right now X has 101M in use.05:18
x_orOK...  If I was using KDE I think kscd just requires selecting digital mode.  But, nothing like this in the gnome version.05:18
awb4422Does anyone know of a linux blog client besides BloGTK that works with movable type 1.5?05:19
LiberalTugboattry apt-getting kscd and see if that works05:19
x_orYeah, but then I would have to run kdeinit underneath and I'd hate to do that.  I wonder if there is another cd player I can try, a little more full featured.05:19
woodwizzleIs the new ubuntu icon theme going to be released ontime for hoary?05:19
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Dreamer3_kkathman: thanks, i think you proved i have it setup right05:20
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LiberalTugboatumm maybe xmms?05:20
kkathmanDreamer3, not a prob..glad I could help05:20
ipcopnewbiewith three days to go until hoary is 1.0, i'm about to rebuild my firewall with warty. should i wait? is there anything significant in hoary w/regards to performance and/or security vs warty?05:20
x_orWow, no package for grip in ubuntu sources?05:20
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LiberalTugboatbrb x_or do you have universe and multiverse enabled?05:21
x_orUnsure what that means?05:21
geneo93x_or:  you dont have all repositories then05:22
LiberalTugboatx_or, check out the wiki, it tells how to enable universe and multiverse repos05:22
LiberalTugboatadds about 12000 packages05:22
LiberalTugboatgrip is in there05:23
libbenlibben@burken:~$ glxgears || 119 frames in 5.0 seconds = 23.800 FPS05:23
libbenis that bad ?05:23
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LiberalTugboatyes libben05:23
libbenp4 1.7 =) geforce 4 =)05:23
libbenso whats wrong with it ?05:23
x_orOK, great.05:23
geneo93yes thats real bad05:23
libbeni have installed nvidia-glx05:23
xMaximexwhat is the /dev file for esound plugin ?05:23
libbenand enabled it05:23
LiberalTugboati get glxgears05:23
LiberalTugboat3892 frames in 5.0 seconds = 778.400 FPS05:23
geneo93you have to enable it05:23
libbeni have05:24
nomasteryoda5300 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1060.000 FPS05:24
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LiberalTugboatand that is on radeon 7500 in a laptop05:24
Zotnixnomasteryoda, what kind of card?05:24
libbeni typed nvidia instead of the nv line in xorg.conf05:24
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LiberalTugboatusing the DRI drivers05:24
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nomasteryodapos intel 855gm laptop05:24
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ZotnixThat's the video card?05:24
ipcopnewbieif anybody's interested in getting dhcp to work on an eth1 interface, i'm your man 8-D05:24
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LiberalTugboatlibben did you read the instructions in the wiki?05:24
LiberalTugboatit has it all there05:24
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danikatacould  i install my home harddrive that ubuntu inside to my office pc ?05:25
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nomasteryodait's a Dell Latitude D505 ... intel video card05:25
fsapohi.. thats me again.. how do i check wich process is using my port 8000??05:25
libbenLiberalTugboat, where on wiki page?05:25
danikatai did it with debian sarge.. and its success.. im only reconfigure xserver05:25
libbenin hardwaresupport?05:25
NekohayoI just installed crossover office, but it didn't create a menu entry. Anyone knows the command to get to the crossover program itself?05:25
_bodlyfsapo: sudo fuser 8000/tcp05:25
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geneo934322 frames in 5.0 seconds = 864.400 FPS  440mx 64 mb05:26
x_orOK, I've added multiverse, and refreshed, but I still see no grip package.  Is this the correct page?  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543/view?searchterm=multiverse05:26
LiberalTugboati get like 3500 fps on my main system05:26
fsapo_bodly, thanx.. it returned 7071 how do i know wich process is it?05:26
libbenLiberalTugboat, nope.. the wiki page is a bit to hard to find in =) by just going to click on wiki on ubuntulinux... any pointers ?05:27
_bodlyfsapo: ps -ef|grep 707105:27
fsapo_bodly, thanx.. found it =*05:27
x_orOops, needed to enable universe as well.  I bet this will be better now.05:27
ipcopnewbiehoary: worth waiting for, anybody?05:27
LiberalTugboatthats the page libben05:28
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Nekohayoipcopnewbie, it's out friday I think05:28
LiberalTugboatim not waiting for haory05:28
_bodlyipcopnewbie: hoary is 99% ready to go.  I'm running it now on 3 boxes05:28
LiberalTugboatI have been running it for about a month now05:28
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nomasteryodai ordered my discs already05:28
ipcopnewbie_boldly: any shortcomings visavis security?05:28
Dreamer3_LiberalTugboat: i've been running it maybe a week, can't wait till release, tired of downloading 80mb a day05:29
Nekohayohmpf.. crossover executable command, anyone?05:29
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_bodlyyou mentioned using it for a firewall....   Not sure I'd use bleeding edge on a firewall05:29
LiberalTugboatDreamer3, I dont mind the updates05:29
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LiberalTugboatI just mind the breaking05:29
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LiberalTugboatbut almost always a restart fixes it05:30
ipcopnewbie_boldly: right, that's what i was wondering, whether there's iptables/netfilters vulnerabilities that might have slipped in (i plan on configuring with firestarter or shorewall)05:30
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Dreamer3_crimsun: should my bios be set to pnp or not OS?05:31
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LiberalTugboatipcopnewbie, find out the version of iptables then check the iptables page05:31
Dreamer3_crimsun: i'm getting ready to reboot to try the pci=noacpi05:31
crimsunDreamer3_: no.05:31
Dreamer3_crimsun: so it should be told to let the BIOS configure devices, correct?05:31
ipcopnewbieliberaltugboat: will do05:31
Dreamer3_crimsun: ie, non-pnp OS?05:31
crimsunDreamer3_: correct05:31
cdcarterdoes anyone know when hoary will "go gold"?05:32
Dreamer3_crimsun: ok, thanks, that's always confused me05:32
LiberalTugboatcdcarter, friday05:32
Dreamer3_crimsun: why isn't linux "pnp"?05:32
LiberalTugboatlinux is pnp05:32
LiberalTugboatjust depened on many factors05:32
Dreamer3_crimsun: i've had in on pnp with no ill effects (other than getting video working with the binary driver)05:32
Dreamer3_crimsun: is there some logic to it all?05:33
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LiberalTugboatbios is a better way to configure devices05:33
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LiberalTugboatremember irq conflicts with win 9805:33
geneo93Dreamer3 best to let os configure hardware05:33
Dreamer3_geneo93: BIOS you mean or no?05:34
sophie_msumudoes someone in here use "enlightenment" ?05:34
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sophie_msumudoes someone in here use "enlightenment" ?05:34
Dreamer3_geneo93: if OS you seem to be outnumbered05:34
sophie_msumudoes someone in here use "enlightenment" ?05:34
LiberalTugboatsophie_msumu, dont spam05:34
sophie_msumuLiberalTugboat, ?05:34
LiberalTugboatit doesnt get people attention the way you want05:34
geneo93turn off pnp in bios to let os configure devices05:35
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sophie_msumuLiberalTugboat, no joking05:35
LiberalTugboatI doubt there a mant ubuntu enlightenment users, most use ubuntu because of gnome05:35
_bodlyDreamer3_: on a reasonably new motherboard, linux does an excellent job of configuring stuff05:35
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libben426 frames in 5.0 seconds = 85.200 FPS05:36
sophie_msumuLiberalTugboat, 'f course there are05:36
Dreamer3__bodly: this is a via 8233, and i can't switch back to console after i start X with the nvidia binary driver05:36
libbenis that good LiberalTugboat  ?05:36
LiberalTugboatthats still pretty low05:36
LiberalTugboatyou should be in the 500-800 range05:36
libbenyeah... only thing i did was to check the box in nvidia-settings05:36
fsapohow do i know if my firewall if activated or not???05:36
_bodlyDreamer3_: make sure it's not loading the rivafb driver05:37
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ipcopnewbiefsapo: your firewall is part of the kernel already05:37
Dreamer3__bodly: it's not05:37
libbeni checked the Opengl box... use of enhanced features code bla05:37
libbenand i got better fps05:37
libbenbut that still bad05:37
fsapoipcopnewbie, so how can i open a port??05:37
_bodlyDreamer3_: i remember having that problem for a while, but can't remember how I fixed it.  :-/05:37
Dreamer3__bodly: well if you recall e-mail me nick@gmail.com05:37
Dreamer3__bodly: as in dreamer3@gmail.com05:38
fsapoi m getting this :( (Cannot see your station/computer (IP: from the Internet, disable Internet Sharing/NAT/firewall/ISP cache05:38
Dreamer3_until then i'm going to reboot and try stuff05:38
ipcopnewbiefsapo: it's tricky without help. two helper solutions are firestarter and shorewall05:38
_bodlyDreamer3_: k05:38
LiberalTugboatlibben, when you reboot you computer, does the nvidia logo flash before you get to the log in screen05:38
ipcopnewbiefsapo: by default, all ports are open though05:38
fsapoipcopnewbie, dont have any :(05:38
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libbenLiberalTugboat, yes...05:38
libbeni have nvidia default that came with ubuntu05:38
ipcopnewbiefsapo: but if you don't have a server listening on a port, obviously you'll get "connection refused" which is as good as a firewall05:39
libben71.74 i think it is05:39
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ipcopnewbiefsapo: the firewall configuration though will help you control who can access what servers05:39
mackidi can't believe i'm still here05:39
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fsapoipcopnewbie, but i have a shoutcast server on this port =/05:39
xMaximexhow could i know wich /dev sound device ubuntu is using ?? because i have to configure teamspeak with the right device .. /dev/dsp doesn't work05:39
LiberalTugboathmm, well it is loading the nvidia driver05:39
ipcopnewbiefsapo: i'm not familiar with shoutcast, but what port does it use05:40
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LiberalTugboattry a 3d game like tuxracer05:40
LiberalTugboatsee if it runs smooth05:40
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libbenshould be.. cause i have 85 fps05:40
_bodlyxMaximex: try sudo fuser /dev/snd/*05:40
chazwurthI installed Hoary from CD last night. I'm having trouble editing my menus in Gnome -- right-clicking on menu items doesn't give me the option of adding a new item. Can anyone tell me how I ought to edit the menus?05:40
libbenbut the thing is... i did a glxinfo yesterday... and it said it was broken or something.05:40
_bodlyxMaximex: it should be using alsa by default05:40
LiberalTugboat85 fps on glxgears is like 3 fps on quake 305:41
libbenand that it wasnt up to date... cause i have 71.74 abd bla05:41
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xMaximex_bodly,  but wich device in /dev/snd should i use with teamspeak ?? i must specify the device05:41
chazwurthOr is this a gnome 2.10 issue, and should I ask in a different channel?05:41
fsapoipcopnewbie, it uses the por 800005:42
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crimsunxMaximex: tell it to use /dev/dsp, then wrap teamspeak with aoss05:42
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chavochazwurth, it's a gnome thing.05:42
LiberalTugboatchazwurth, that is not available in gnome 2.1005:42
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ipcopnewbiefsapo: have you tried firestarter?05:42
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Dreamer3_crimsun: pci=noacpi doesn't fix it05:42
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fsapoipcopnewbie, just tried it05:42
chazwurthLiberalTugboat: editing the menus at all isn't available?!05:42
bitsmashi cant get java installed05:42
LiberalTugboatyou need to edit the file that stores the info05:42
fsapoipcopnewbie, disabled my firewall and now i m not getting errors05:42
fsapoipcopnewbie, just need somebody to test it :)05:42
_bodlyxMaximex: Make sure the module snd_pcm_oss is loaded05:42
chazwurthLiberalTugboat: got it. thanks for the info, much appreciated.05:42
ipcopnewbiefsapo: happy to05:43
LiberalTugboatif you do a google search you can find more info about editing menus in gnome05:43
spanglesontoastsomeone help me05:43
_bodlyxMaximex: lsmod|grep oss05:43
spanglesontoastI have festival running and it's old stuff05:43
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spanglesontoastfrom ages ago05:43
Dreamer3_crimsun: nor putting Pnp back to no05:43
xMaximexcrimson, how do i wrap ?05:43
fsapoipcopnewbie, thanx :)05:43
xMaximexcrimsun, it works now .. i can hear, but other players can't hear me05:44
fsapoipcopnewbie, i ll try creating some rules just to some ports05:44
crimsunDreamer3_: then use pci=noacpi noapic nolapic05:44
spanglesontoasthow to I restart festival so it's empty05:44
ipcopnewbiefsapo: ok, tell me what ports to try against and an IP addr when you're ready05:44
_bodlyxMaximex: make sure your mic input isn't muted05:44
Dreamer3_crimsun: this is a agp card, still the pci= stuff?05:44
ipcopnewbiefsapo: or we can go to a private channel if you prefer05:44
xMaximexif esd is running i can't use teamspeak .. weird05:44
LiberalTugboatagp is just a supped up pci slot05:44
xMaximexroot@straightbox:/dev/snd # esd05:45
xMaximex/dev/dsp: Device or resource busy05:45
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spanglesontoasthow do I clear festival so it has juststarted?05:46
skorabitsmash, did you follow these directions ? - http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre05:46
libbenLiberalTugboat, its like this... i have nvidia-glx (7174) nvidia-kernel-common (7174) and nvidia-settings installed... i have it from apt-get05:46
libbenso it should be allright... and why isnt it?05:46
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duranyone knows it the release candidate 5.04 be upgradable to the final realease?  Or should I wait for the final release?05:46
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_bodlydur: yes, that's the way debian-based distros work05:46
LiberalTugboatwoohoo xfce 4.2!!05:46
libbenLiberalTugboat, its like this... i have nvidia-glx (7174) nvidia-kernel-common (7174) and nvidia-settings installed... i have it from apt-get05:47
libbenso it should be allright... and why isnt it?05:47
theinelibben: you did run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?05:47
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libbentheine, no.05:47
dave_i got a dual monitor problem, i have it so the mouse can go to the other monitor, but all the 2nd monitor shows is a super distorted view. But if i move my mouse over there, i can move around a akward box all over the distorted mess. Any ideas?05:47
theinelibben: well, there you go05:47
dur_bodly: thanks05:47
LiberalTugboatlibben, there is a command that enables the nvidia settings05:47
libbenwhy should i reconfigure it ? its just a front end for making xorg.conf ? and it should be fine05:47
libbenor am i totaly wrong05:48
ipcopnewbiedur: i asked the same question about five minutes ago... for a firewall I'm building. the consensus was, even though you could upgrade, it's still bleeding edge.05:48
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theinelibben: so you edited xorg.conf by hand?05:48
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libbeni only need to change nv to nvidia05:48
LiberalTugboatnever edit you xorg.conf by hand05:48
dave_i've been doin that05:48
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dave_because i haven't gotten results otherwise05:49
theinelibben: alright, sorry, just trying to help05:49
SuperLagCan someone here verify that proper ownership and permissions on ~/.ICEauthority is as follows? <youruser>:users and 0600 ?05:49
Dreamer3crimsun: and then05:49
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_bodlyipcopnewbie: I wouldn't reccomend bleeding edge for a firewall, but for a desktop box...05:49
LiberalTugboatit makes upgrades break sometimes05:49
LiberalTugboatsudo nvidia-glx-config enable05:49
libbentheine, ;P well... i was afraid of missing out on other things that allready worked good in X. thats why i was a bit afraid of doing it.05:49
libbenLiberalTugboat, allready done that05:49
LiberalTugboattype that into a cli libben05:49
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nathan_Could somebody help me? I don't known much about Linux and I don't known how to install a pacjage tha I just downloaded05:49
ipcopnewbie_boldly: thanks a lot05:50
holycow anyone ever run into a system that wont restart via power button unless you unplug the power chord for a bit?  anyone know if there is a common fix for this?05:50
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theinelibben: what's the exact problem if i may ask05:50
dave_im pretty sure after today i hate ATI05:50
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Dreamer3dave_: i'm not very pleased with nvidia05:50
LiberalTugboatholycow, sounds like a power supply problem05:50
libbenError: your X configuration has been altered.05:50
libbenThis script cannot proceed automatically. If you believe that this05:50
libbennot correct, you can update the md5sum entry executing the following05:50
libbenmd5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf | sudo tee /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum05:50
libbenotherwise edit manually /etc/X11/xorg.conf to change the Driver section05:50
libbenfrom nv to nvidia.05:50
libbensorry -05:50
nathan_I just don't known what to do with the .deb file05:50
kingsleyWhich linux command, if any, will report the parameters defining a Microsoft Windows file system? (For example, whether it's FAT16 or FAT32, how big it is, etc...)05:50
libbenshould used pastebin05:50
dave_Dreamer3, really? my brother seemed to have no problem, whereas i've spent hours trying to get dual monitors w/ extended desktop working05:51
LiberalTugboatlibben, delete xorg.conf05:51
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_bodlynathan_: sudo dpkg -i package.deb05:51
franciscoguys, how can I get KORN for KDE??05:51
franciscoIt is not with Kubuntu05:51
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Dreamer3dave_: my nvidia works great, i just can't return to a console ever05:51
libbenLiberalTugboat, huh ?05:51
LiberalTugboatthen run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg05:51
libbendelete it?05:51
Dreamer3dave_: it's frustrating05:51
theinelibben: and you get these messages after issuing which command?05:51
Dreamer3crimsun: next step?05:51
dave_Dreamer3,  sounds like it05:51
libbenthat was from the sudo nvidia-glx-config enable05:52
Dreamer3crimsun: in fact i'd take a list, i'm just plugging away05:52
LiberalTugboatyeah, because you changed xorg05:52
crimsunDreamer3: sorry, I'm kinda busy atm05:52
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Riddellfrancisco: what is it?05:52
libbenyes.. ive altered it before to nvidia instead of the nv line in there05:52
theinelibben: then do as LiberalTugboat says and run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'05:52
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LiberalTugboatwhen you hand edit xorg.conf then none of the files that changes it automagically wont05:52
libbencan i have x running while ill do it and then restart x ?05:52
smouchemy god; I did a dist-upgrade this afternoon, it took about 20 minutes.  Six hours later, another taking 45min to an hour...05:52
Dreamer3how can i stop fbcon and vesafb from loading?  i added them to blacklist, but that doesn't stop them05:53
franciscoRiddell, Korn is an e-mail notification agent that tells you if you have new email in your inbox05:53
LiberalTugboatyou can do it while running x05:53
smouchethey're really cranking out these updates05:53
Zotnixlibben, to make the changes take affect you just have to log out and back in.05:53
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Riddellfrancisco: it's there, you can install it fine05:53
Riddellfrancisco: it's in universe05:53
franciscooh ok :P05:53
SuperLagnathan_: you got your question answered yet?05:53
franciscodidn't knew that05:53
theineLiberalTugboat: Unfortunately the configuration options provided by 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' are quite limited, no?05:54
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LiberalTugboatthey are enough05:54
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theineLiberalTugboat: Well, not for me05:55
codeso ati dont support 3d on linux huh?05:55
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theinecode: they do (perhaps less than perfectly, but they do...)05:55
SuperLagnathan_: did you check to see if apt had your package already?05:55
LiberalTugboatthe problem with hand editing, is when you upgrade, it can screw up the upgrade05:56
xMaximexOSS sound is pretty shitty... does anyone know how to increase the sound quality ?05:56
nathan_Yes, it didn't05:56
LiberalTugboathappened a couple times during the hoary updates05:56
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ipcopnewbiefsapo: my firewall may be blocking this dcc thing05:56
LiberalTugboatI would reboot and xorg woulnt load05:56
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ipcopnewbiedo you have an AIM account, by chance?05:57
theineLiberalTugboat: I know, but unfortunately I couldn't avoid editing by hand in my case05:57
ipcopnewbiefsapo: sorry about that05:57
LiberalTugboatthere is other ways to change it with out hand editing I think05:57
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hybridhello all05:57
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theineLiberalTugboat: I'd be very interested in that05:58
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libbenshould i use kernel fram buffer ?05:58
cugaHey what is the date for hoaries official release, i can't find it on the forum at first glance05:58
ipcopnewbiecuga: 3 days away05:58
hybridthe 8th05:58
cugawow, i thought it was around the 16th, cool05:58
billytwowillyit's the 8th now?05:58
LiberalTugboatwhat does it recommend05:59
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_bodlyoooh,  I feel so hoary05:59
fsapoipcopnewbie, np do u have icq?05:59
cuganicely put05:59
libbenshould i enable use kernel framebuffer device ?05:59
libbentheine, ?05:59
ipcopnewbiefsapo: sorry, i don't05:59
theinelibben: no05:59
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hybridbillywowilly: last i saw it saw set for friday06:00
Xeon3Dall hail before panickedthumb the all might ubuntu geek :P06:00
theineIt is the sixth, isn't it?06:00
libbenwhat should i use on this DEADKEY and those options?06:00
libbeni want what im using now06:00
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libbenthe defaul value06:00
theinelibben: then just hit enter06:00
xMaximexis there a way to use more than one software that use sound card ??06:00
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libbenwhat to choose? i have usb mouse06:01
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pauliukasCan I use VNC's invitation fuction with Vino?06:01
libben /dev/input/mice ?06:01
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libbenor the gpmdata one ?06:01
theinelibben: I'd suggest you look at your current config while doing this06:02
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theinelibben: to be safe, copy /etc/X11/xorg.conf to your home directory and the view it06:02
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spanglesontoastthat's pissed me off06:03
libbentheine, i allready has alot of copies of it =)06:03
spanglesontoastbloody microsoft06:03
libbenim on the driver modules section06:03
theinelibben: Just hit enter06:04
libbenit has dri in the list06:04
libbenshouldent that be removed ?06:04
hehanyone want to help someone that in reality has no idea what he's doing but has an idea of what he wants to do in layman's terms with some questions?06:04
theinelibben: that might be true actually06:04
cugajust ask06:04
libbenso i should remove it ?06:04
libbeni have nvidia geforce 4 480006:05
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QMarioBye everyone!06:05
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hehI have a computer with a 10 gig hard drive, and I want to know the most basic way to install a linux system on it, without taking all the disk space or anything like that, so I can also install games on it06:05
theinelibben: You need to disable GLCore as well06:05
cugaby 'also install games on it' you mean you want windows on it too?06:05
theinelibben: perhaps not dri though...06:06
libbenit was from start06:06
theinelibben: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto06:06
libbenso dri should stay?06:06
nathan_Anybody can help me to install a package?06:06
hehit's my secondary computer that I mostly use for fun.  I was wondering if it's safe to JUST install Gnome, without installing other things, or if what I did originally installing Gentoo and then installing gnome on top of that was right06:06
hehcuga: no.  I've seen ways to do what I want to do with just linux06:06
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hehcuga: things like gedega and winex06:06
theinelibben: yeah, try leaving dri enabled06:06
cugacedega, yeah i love that06:06
cugaWoW works great in it06:07
_bodlyhmm....  a new set of X packages in hoary every day is kind of a pain06:07
hehI'm really dumb about installing things, but I know how to use google =x06:07
xMaximexcuga, do you pay for cedega ?06:07
libbenwell... i allready had it enable before =) but its easier to leave it enabled... and just uncomment it later.06:07
cugaof course06:07
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cugamember for since august06:07
xMaximexcuga, and it worth the 5$/mont ?06:08
_bodlyor maybe I just shouldn't be such and apt-get dist-upgrade addict06:08
hehis it safe to just format my hard drive, and install gnome 2.10, or realistically what should I do?06:08
cugai'd say soo, i'd pay more, i think they do good work despite what a few pissed off kids say about them, i know a couple of people who work there, they based up here near T.O06:08
hehalso, how much space does gentoo and gnome combined take approximately?06:09
_bodlyxMaximex: I've been happy with cedega06:09
xMaximexcuga, okay .. by the way, do you use teamspeak ?06:09
cugaheh, why are you asking gentoo questions?06:09
cugaI have in the past yeah, haven't in awhile06:09
hehwell, my original question .. err one of the original ones, was if you need to have a system below gnome, or if you can just install gnome on a blank disk06:09
cugayes you need a system below gnome06:10
xMaximexcuga, okay .. i have problem using it on linux06:10
hehis there any recommended system?06:10
cugauhh.... ubuntu... ;)06:10
cugaxMaximex, running the server or the client?06:10
smoucheheh, ubuntu would be a good choice for that system.  On which by default you would have gnome, but if you wanted other desktop environments later, like kde, you could add them to that.06:11
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cugaxMaximex,  are you running hoary or warty?06:11
hehnaw, I see no need for alternative desktop environments.  I'm running gnome on the livecd package, and it seems really cool06:11
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cugalast time i ran tsclient i was still on Debian Sid which is basically same thing so dont see why it wouldn't work in ubuntu, but i'll try for you06:11
cugame too06:12
cugawhat is your problem?06:12
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cugawith tsclient06:12
xMaximexmy problem is that i cant use esound with TS .. only OSS .. and with OSS i can't use any other apps that use sound .. like xmms06:12
hehgranted asking this is like asking microsoft if there are better os's than windows in a way, but are there programs like gnome that are superior to gnome?06:12
cugaxMaximex, what do you use? Gnome? XFCE4?06:12
theineheh: I guess quite a few people would argue for KDE for instance06:13
hehwhy is KDE better?  what is it better for?06:13
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theineheh: Can't comment on that, I don't use KDE myself06:13
hehare there any general comparisons between the two?06:14
smoucheheh, that question could start a war of words regarding preferred environments.  There's a kde-oriented form of ubuntu called kubuntu -- you might check out #kubuntu.06:14
cugahave you read this post ? http://forum.goteamspeak.com/showthread.php?t=968706:14
theineheh: i'm sure "kde vs gnome" gives lots of matches on google...06:14
hehI don't want a war of words per se if it's just about the look and feel of the os.  what about just the stability06:14
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LiberalTugboatxfce is AWESOME!!06:14
xMaximexcuga, nop06:15
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theineheh: Well, you can try it yourself with the Kubuntu live-cd06:15
smoucheheh, you should try a live cd with kde, judge for yourself.  Kde's latest version is a huge improvement over the kde that most people may have used, and may have disliked.06:15
LiberalTugboatonly uses 70 mb at idle06:15
libbennow ive done the dpkg reconfigure thing06:15
cugaxMaximex,  give it a read, its for exacly what you want to do, setup TSClient to use Alsa instead of OSS06:15
hehhow do you really test system stability with a livecd?06:16
libbentheine, should i add the nvidia enhanched function?06:16
cugathen furthur down has some people with variations if the doc didnt work06:16
theinelibben: what's that06:16
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xMaximexokay, with ALSA i'll be able to use sound with more than one soft ?06:16
spanglesontoasthow can I make the home and computer icons on my desktop?06:16
libbenthats theine06:16
LiberalTugboatxfce is pretty damn good06:17
theinelibben: Does it work without this?06:17
smouchexfce is really nice, especially with the rox-filer file browser.06:17
cugayeah, i usualy have everything i can going thru ALSA, for example i'll have cedega going with World of Warcraft, mutted the music in there so i play XMMS over top of it, also on ALSA, and i'll be having audio signals comming in when i have IM's, etc etc..06:17
libbenwell did before =) i havent restarted yet.. hang on06:17
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cugaif im not mistaken, thats what gstreamer takes care of ? somebody else can probably clarify that06:18
franciscoDoes anyone here has an American Express Blue Cash credit card?06:18
hehnow for the one question that reveals how stupid I am.  How do you format a hard drive in terms of erasing all information on it from linux?  somehow with just the livecd and gentoo on it my computer only has 500 free megs of space left it seems06:18
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etzerdhello everyone06:19
spanglesontoastanyone know how I can get the icons on my desktop?06:19
theineheh: do you want to format the entire hard drive or just a partition?06:19
LiberalTugboatput them there06:20
hehwhole deal06:20
cugajust put in an install cd06:20
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hehtheine: basically I want to start from scratch06:20
theineheh: and install ubuntu?06:20
LiberalTugboatxfce is FAST!!06:20
hehtheine: yeah, might as well.  I got sick of windows06:20
cugadownload and burn the hoary release candidate install cd06:20
cugathen gothru the installer06:20
cugapart of the process is partitioning/formating the disk06:21
yojimbo-sanhow long before the full Hoary release now?06:21
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theineheh: well, in case you go for ubuntu, you can select "use entire hard disk" during install06:21
etzerdspanglesontost just click on K menu just like windows click on start then chose the program you want then Rightclick the Icon and click add to desktop06:21
xMaximexcuga, i don't understand anything ..06:21
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hehtheine: that seems a lot easier than what I was doing earlier with gentoo06:21
cugaI have a question about when the release is out, i noticed in the sources.list that it says to uncomment a couple of lines when the distro is released... why exacly do you have to do that?06:21
theineheh: I guess it is :)06:21
yojimbo-sancuga: because you can upgrade just using apt-get - no need to download the CD06:22
spanglesontoastdon't have kde installed06:22
cugayojimbo-san, yeah but i can do that from the sources i already have in there06:22
cugahow come i'd have to add more, will they not be in those repositories anymore?06:22
hehtheine: I want to eventually learn all about the general codes for using lilo/unix etc..  just as a hobby, but for the time being I have a friend chain laughing at me since I was at basically a dos'ish interface and couldn't access the internet for 2 days from the computer06:22
etzerdall you guys here to be honest ubuntu is the last distro that I'm using because for what I see ubuntu is the best out there06:22
hehsorry for the spam06:22
yojimbo-sancuga: not if they say they're looking for "warty" you can't - that'll stay the same forever06:22
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cugayojimbo-san, no i have all my sources already pointing to hoary06:23
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lattefaye1what program can i use to make webpages?06:23
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_bodlycuga: do you mean the security updates lines?06:23
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LiberalTugboatlattefaye1, nvu is a great editor06:23
yojimbo-sancuga: then you have already done everything you need to do :-) the Release won't do anything especial for you06:23
LiberalTugboatso is blue fish06:23
theineheh: Ubuntu probably provides a smoother transition to the linux world than gentoo06:23
lattefaye1this is my first day on linux06:23
LiberalTugboatand quanta06:23
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LiberalTugboattry nvu06:24
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yojimbo-sanlattefaye1: congratulations. First of many I hope06:24
cugayojimbo-san, can you join #flood, i'll show you what im talking about06:24
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yojimbo-sancuga: sure, I have 5 minutes :-o06:24
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(Dr_Willis/#ubuntu) bestadvocate, isent that good to know. :P07:24
(synd/#ubuntu) John--: the cooling it takes to keep those things usable is absurd07:24
(LiberalTugboat/#ubuntu) If I had the money I would build my own laptop07:24
(bestadvocate/#ubuntu) well i do have AMD64 do you?07:24
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(John---/#ubuntu) yeah07:24
(synd/#ubuntu) John--: there will be dual G4 iBooks way before G5 ones07:24
(LiberalTugboat/#ubuntu) but alas I am stuck with this compaq07:24
libbenlunitik, yeah... but why wont the reconfiguring start ?07:24
Dr_Willisbestadvocate,  Yes. but i am useing the 32 bit version of ubuntu. :P07:24
kkathmanwould anyone have experience in setting up Rhythmbox?07:24
kakaltocompaq ! :S07:24
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bestadvocatelol Dr_Willis why do that?07:24
libbenif i copy the same line from in here... it will start it07:24
lunitiklibben: because you typed 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org' ... which is wrong07:24
libbenit is07:25
Dr_Willisbestadvocate,  had several programs that dident work very well or at all with the 64bit version07:25
LiberalTugboatdo piss on my compaq, it was top of the line laptop when I bought it07:25
lunitiklibben: xserver-org != xserver-xorg07:25
John---compaq sucks07:25
libbenlunitik, i dont see the diffrence in the names07:25
LiberalTugboat1.4 ghz p4m 512ram radeon 7500 graphics07:25
syndany PC sicks07:25
bestadvocateyah, your right about that Dr_Willis, i have been wanting to get mono running for months now (to get beagle)07:25
lunitiklibben: org and xorg!!!07:26
syndbuilding your own is the best07:26
John---IBM's nice07:26
syndits easy07:26
syndits cheaper07:26
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lunitiklibben: I'm drunk as a skunk, and noticed...07:26
bestadvocateDr_Willis: still there is something menally unhealthy about paying for the 64 bit and not using them07:26
LiberalTugboatJohn--, you do realise that there is only liek 3 manufactures that make notebooks for every major company07:26
syndJohn--: they need a case redesign.. they just look so outdated : p07:26
Dr_Willisbestadvocate,  Pay? :P bah...07:26
LiberalTugboatthey just have a name on them07:27
syndi like IBM though.. they crank out the G4's and G5's for Apple07:27
John---synd: I like the cases, they're simple. none of that flashy shit07:27
syndJohn--: me too. .thats what i like about my ibook07:27
lunitiksynd: Its not like the requests are hard to handle...07:27
LiberalTugboatbut like I said If i had the money I would build my own laptop07:27
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lunitiksynd: Apple doesn't sell much...  :/07:27
syndlunitik: they're growing vastly07:27
lunitikLiberalTugboat: they give you the means to do that now? last I checked... you couldn't build your own laptop  :(07:28
John---I think if I had the money, I'd go for one of the smaller powerbooks07:28
LiberalTugboatlunitik, ibm makes power series processors for their servers too07:28
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LiberalTugboatlunitik, i work for a system builder07:28
syndJohn--: i recommend a 12" iBook07:28
John---that's what I'm looking at07:28
LiberalTugboatso I got access to the parts07:28
bestadvocatealright so anyone running 64 bit ubuntu?07:28
John---but if I had the money, it'd be fun to have a small powerbook07:28
John---I hate people that have those gigantic fucking laptops07:29
John---weight like 10 pounds07:29
syndJohn--: it takes away from the point of a laptop doesnt it?07:29
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syndJohn--: plus, the battery life greatly suffers07:29
John---I sandal slapped my friend once for thinking about getting a toshiba07:29
lunitikLiberalTugboat: last I checked.. IBM is using POWER5 now... (would be G6...)07:29
bestadvocateJohn--- what if they are like 10 year old laptops that make people steril ?07:29
LiberalTugboatI want to put together a 12 inch centrino notebook with a gig of ram and an 80 gig 7200 rpm hd07:29
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John---use it as a paperweight07:29
LiberalTugboatlunitik, yeah I know, but its the same archutecture07:30
bestadvocateJohn--: whats this paper you speek of ?07:30
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syndLiberalTugboat: that 7200rpm hdd will greatly lower your battery life07:30
John---LiberalTugboat: needs less rpm07:30
LiberalTugboatnot as much as you would think07:30
LiberalTugboatspecially with a 10 hour battery07:31
bestadvocateso anyone running ubuntu 64? has updated hoary firefox?07:31
syndhah that would weigh more than the laptop itself07:31
syndi get 6 hrs of life with my ibook07:31
John---nice :)07:31
LiberalTugboatsynd, you can buy 2.5mm 7200 rpm low power hds07:31
bestadvocatedoes it crash when you try to print from firefox? john?07:31
LiberalTugboatand the 10 hour batterys only add half a pound to a 3 pound notebook07:32
syndLiberalTugboat: not as low power as a 4200 rpm : )07:32
bestadvocateyou have ubuntu 64 firefox hoary? does it crash when you try to print?07:32
kakaltoisn't ubuntu hoary released fully today?07:32
LiberalTugboatwell I want whats call "perfomance"07:32
Xeon3Dkakalto, 8TH07:32
John---I don't have ubuntu 6407:32
kakaltoI was getting hopeful07:33
LiberalTugboatmy company wont even touch a 4200 rpm hd07:33
LiberalTugboatits a huge bottle neck07:33
syndwell.. sure, everyone does.07:33
LiberalTugboatnothing slower then a 5400 rpm drive07:33
LiberalTugboatwith does affect battery07:33
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syndyes, the powerbook's have 5400 rpms07:33
syndthe same processor 12" ibook gets 2.5 hours greater battery life07:34
LiberalTugboatyeah, and the next gen will probably have 7200 rpm drives07:34
i3dmasterwhat the difference b/w vfat and msdos?07:34
syndrunning at 4200 rpm07:34
syndmaybe, if they figure out how to create a battery that weighs the same and puts out quite a bit more power07:35
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John---I think that describes most of us07:35
John---I need a mini fridge07:35
scottjanyone know of a big cool clock that comes w/ ubuntu? I want to have it as my screensaver07:36
John---the kitchen is much too far away07:36
John---I haven't really measured but I think it's about 15 feet07:36
LiberalTugboatmy apartment is so small everything is within arms reach :)07:36
syndbtw heres the other side of my workstation: http://photobucket.com/albums/v43/pmartin245/?action=view&current=DSCN0554.jpg07:36
syndhad to brag :x07:36
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topyliJohn--: a bankrupt hotel was selling their minibars here last year. being dumb, i didn't get one07:37
libbenok. ive managed a 1400x1050 resolution...07:37
syndlibben: thats an odd resolution07:37
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libbenit has 1.3333 ratio just like any other good res07:37
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libben1600x1200 looks bit to much for my eyes..07:38
libbenso this is good07:38
LiberalTugboatif I had more money I would have more cool stuff too07:38
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libbenonly one problem with it thou07:38
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John__... the hell just happend07:38
John__gah, fucking computer07:38
LiberalTugboatI only have my 2 pcs and 1 laptop "(07:38
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topylibut are they cool?07:38
LiberalTugboatnice emachines keyboard hehe07:39
libbenits that im using 'nv' instead of 'nvidia'07:39
syndi revived an old P3 toshiba laptop the other day07:39
lunitikJohn__: care to elaborate.... or you just having fun looking like a fool?07:39
libbenso what to dooo =)07:39
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bestadvocatei used to have 5 pcs and a laptop but i gave them all away to my poor college buddies07:39
bestadvocateaccept for 1 cpu and a laptop'07:39
John__just having fun07:39
syndLiberalTugboat: I use an emachines as my main pc : )07:39
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LiberalTugboatmy main system is sempron 2400+ (oc to 2100mhz) gig of ddr 400 ram (oc ddr420) 120 gig hd nforce 2 utlra mobo dvd burner and geforce fx 560007:40
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syndmy main system is a iMac G507:41
syndi win07:41
synd: )07:41
jsgotangcoblah i use a crappy notebook from Taiwain07:41
lunitik(RAM is PC2700 DDR-RAM,,,)07:41
jsgotangcobut everything works without issues07:41
syndjsgotangco: hey, if it works. it works07:41
bestadvocatenot really i had a mac for a month, the lock ins anoyed the crap out of me07:41
LiberalTugboatmy test rig (which i never use) is a 2500+ barton, 512 ram, via kt890 mobo, geforce 2 mx07:41
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jsgotangcoi want that Acer Ferrari notebook though07:42
syndbestadvocate: lock ins?07:42
syndjsgotangco: those do look sweet07:42
lunitik(SiS661FX is the chipset... not that anyone cares  :P )07:42
bestadvocateyou know format usage and stuff.07:42
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syndbestadvocate: with what programs?07:42
LiberalTugboatand my lappy is a compaq 1.4ghz p4m, 512 ram, 40gig hd dvd/cdrw, radeon 750007:43
AreaCan someone give me a hand. I have 3 monitors hooked up on 2 video cards. How do I activate the 2nd and 3rd monitors?07:43
syndArea: 3 monitor spanning? wow07:43
bestadvocategarage program,itunes,07:43
LiberalTugboatyuk, SIS chip sets07:43
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syndbestadvocate: well, garageband is not available on any other platform. itunes is available on windows07:43
LiberalTugboatvia, intel or nvidia for me07:43
zenroxi like my asus p4gx-ge07:44
AreaYeah synd. I had Linux on a switch with only one monitor, running windows. Its about time I switched over to linux completely.07:44
bestadvocatei mean like te useage of only mac audio formats on garage tunes and i-tunes offers vary limited encoding07:44
syndArea: I feel you07:44
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zenroxa i845gv chip set07:44
zenrox2ghz celron07:44
LiberalTugboat845 chipset is ok07:44
LiberalTugboatrather have 86507:44
hgoesmcan someone give me a good manual for pptp under ubuntu?07:44
LiberalTugboator 900 series07:44
zenroxSysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.10-5-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 2000.259 MHz Bogomips: 3964.92 Mem: 229/504M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 74.25G Free: 27.12G Procs: 80 Uptime: 11 hrs 35 mins 21 secs Load: 1.72 1.49 1.19  | Vpenis: 70 cm Screen: nVidia Corporation NV28 [GeForce4 Ti 4800 SE]  (rev a1) Screen Resolution: 2880x1200 (24 bpp) eth0: In: 954.80M Out: 45.62M07:44
bestadvocatesame problem i have with sound juicer actually07:45
John__nice resolution07:45
scottjanyone know how I set my system to cpufreq performance instead of userspace?07:45
zenroxdual monitors07:45
LiberalTugboathow big of monitor?07:45
LiberalTugboatoh ok07:45
LiberalTugboatI found my dream mobo today07:46
zenrox15" left (1280x1024)  -- 19" (1600x1200)07:46
syndbestadvocate: you can encode in AAC, MP3, AIFF, WAV, and Apple Lossless07:46
LiberalTugboatTyan K8WE07:46
Areazenrox, any idea how to activate more than one monitor?07:46
LiberalTugboatdual opteron dual nvidia chipset, dual pci-ex 1607:46
zenroxarea using nvida07:46
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AreaYeah, dual geforce fx5200's07:47
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zenroxarea ask in #nvidia07:47
AreaAlright, thanks.07:47
zenroxread the topic07:47
syndbestadvocate: and after you do a song in garageband, you can encode it to mp3, aac, etc07:47
LiberalTugboathave dual 64 bit opterons (maybe even dual core) with dual 6800 ultras? I can only dream07:47
robzulahI'm trying to install KDE so I can use a few KDE programs, when I check KDE in synaptic it tells me a bunch of others have to be installed, so I tell it to check those then it tells me all of those packages have unresolved dependencies and wont be installed, any idea why?07:47
syndrobzulah: your repositories arent all there07:48
syndi think07:48
Lancellordo you guys recomend kde???07:48
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syndLancellor: ask in #kubuntu07:48
zenroxLancellor, ask that in #kubuntu07:48
syndLancellor: its just a matter of opinion07:48
syndLancellor: its still got ubuntu under the hood07:48
John__KDE reminds me of windows XP07:48
John__a lot of plastic feel07:48
syndjohn__: i agree07:49
syndi just tried fluxbox for the 1st time07:49
syndits kinda sweet07:49
John__that's what I'm using now07:49
syndbut i like gnome the best07:49
zenroxi am a gnome guy07:49
zenroxe17 is spost tobe kewl07:49
zenroxbut ant tried it yet07:49
Lancellorcoud you cuztomize gnome like kde??07:50
John__my system can't really handle gnome07:50
zenroxenlightment 1707:50
John__gets very slow07:50
syndLancellor: eh?07:50
John__old pentium 2, only 192 megs of ram07:50
cevansI tried e17. While it looks very nice, it has complexity problems.07:50
syndJohn__: oh..man07:50
LiberalTugboatkubuntu is pretty nice07:50
John__but it's snappy as hell with fluxbox07:50
Lancellori have a 500 mhz system with 256 ram what do you recomend07:50
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Artemis3what problems?07:50
zenroxJohn__,  my server only has 64mb of ran and a 700mhz p2 celron07:51
syndjohn__: i have gnome running well on a P3 600MHz 128MB laptop07:51
zenroxJohn__, no montor mouse or key07:51
LiberalTugboatLancellor, run XFCE4.207:51
John__355MHz p2 here07:51
Lancellorcan i do that on ubuntu??07:51
LiberalTugboatI am right now07:51
cevansArtemis3: It uses a binary config file format, and thus you have to use a special editor to edit configuration, and that doesn't always work well.07:51
bestadvocatelancellor e16 is pritty nice too07:52
John__how is XFCE07:52
LiberalTugboatapt-get install xfce407:52
Lancellorsorry i'm so new on this but i like the way you think so i'm going to try07:52
LiberalTugboatxfce is FAST!! and pretty07:52
syndJohn__: ahh i see. man, before i found out about ubuntu (or linux for that matter), i stripped down an athlon 1.3Ghz thinking that it was useless07:52
Artemis3binary config file??? how come...07:52
John__synd: heh07:53
bestadvocateeven years outdated e16 is my lightweight manager of coice07:53
AreaIsn't there a graphical interface for Ubantu's X conf?07:53
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LiberalTugboatthe nice thing about XFCE is it runs both gnome and kde apps really well07:53
robzulahsynd: how can I check for all my repositories? I dont really understand the whole repository thing yet07:53
syndJohn__: how come the old pcs?07:53
LiberalTugboatand they dont look like crap07:53
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Artemis3so does the rest07:53
John__I got it for free, was a hand me down07:53
John__figured, what the hell07:53
syndrobzulah: www.ubuntuguide.org, scroll down to repositories07:53
robzulahcool, thanks07:54
LiberalTugboathehe, I got SO many extra pc parts laying around07:54
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george_if I installed the hoary hedgehog version of ubuntu is there any reason to install the latest version of gnome?  is that an upgrade or?07:54
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Artemis3i think its coming with the lastest version already07:54
imPULSIVgood morning07:54
bestadvocatemy stepdad runs a lawfirm so i am like his old PC distributor, i hooked up like 4 people with free computers who wouldent have one otherwise (i even managed to get one of them to run ubuntu )07:55
LiberalTugboatI got a sound blaster live 5.1 in the closet not being used, sitting next to a celeron 2.0 ghz proc, a p4 1.5 proc, like 5 sticks of ram, 3 extra cases07:55
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LiberalTugboatprobably a dozen NICs07:55
imPULSIVcan someone help with software problem?07:55
george_so no reason to download 2.10 version of gnome with hoary hedgehog?07:55
syndbestadvocate: nice. im trying to convert as many people as i can to ubuntu07:55
holycowbestadvocate, nice :)07:55
cevansimPULSIV: what is the problem?07:55
mebaran151anybody know a good music notation app07:55
mebaran151I used Finale07:55
John__I got some people to use Ubuntu at my moms office07:56
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syndLiberalTugboat: ill buy that 1.5 P4 off of ya : )07:56
mebaran151but they have a crappy registration policy07:56
LiberalTugboatgeorge_, it is running gnome 2.1007:56
mebaran151that I really hate07:56
mebaran151so I am looking to the Linux world07:56
imPULSIVwhen starting inkscape it tells me that some extensions were not met07:56
mebaran151it doesnt have to be open source07:56
LiberalTugboatyou got a socket 423 mobo to put it in?07:56
imPULSIVand therefore he doesnt load him07:56
george_LIberaltugboat: thanks.  I figured as much, just wanted to be sure07:56
holycowi've been trying out ubuntu, i'm still having a hard time wrapping my head around ubuntu just plugging into my windows network and 'just' working07:56
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holycowits fucking stagering07:56
mebaran151and btw, can an app built for MacOS run on Linux with enough hacking07:56
bestadvocateso since no one with an AMD64 can confirm i am just going to file a bug07:56
mebaran151I saw that Gentoo ported Portage to MacOS07:56
syndLiberalTugboat: i believe this emachines is socket 42307:56
holycowi've battled all the distros for years now, i changed nothing on my ubuntu install yet07:56
mebaran151I am on AMD6407:57
LiberalTugboatdoes it have rambus ram?07:57
helio7do hoary's repositories include the latest version of Firefox?07:57
holycowmebaran151, not really, if you mean os9 your starting from scratch07:57
bestadvocatemebaran151 hoary?07:57
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syndLiberalTugboat: hmmm no, ddr07:57
LiberalTugboathelio7, yeah07:57
libbenhow do i remove a dead shortcut from gnome menu?07:57
holycowif you mean osx, osx doesn't use x11 and your writing to their gui bullshit, so your fucked again, you are pretty much starting from scratch again07:57
LiberalTugboatreally? they didnt make to many 423 boards with ddr ram07:57
helio7thanks what's the version # LiberalTugboat?07:57
LiberalTugboatyou are lucky07:57
imPULSIVso how do i get rid of that problem07:58
mebaran151bestadvocate, yep07:58
holycowmaybe stuff without gui can be recompiled with some easy perhaps07:58
LiberalTugboathelio7, 1.0.207:58
mebaran151holycow, I meant only MacOS X apps07:58
LiberalTugboatbut it will get 1.0.3 when it is released07:58
holycowin which case i answered that question too :)_07:58
Lancellorso ill be goog running gnome on my 500 celeron??07:58
libbenhow do i remove a dead shortcut from gnome menu? by editing the file ?07:58
bestadvocatemebaran151: when you try to print from firefox (version 1.0.2-0ubuntu5) does your whole browser crash?07:58
syndholycow: X11 comes with OSX07:58
helio7and hoary-stable is due out in what? 3 more days?07:59
LiberalTugboatlibben, delete the application file07:59
mebaran151it prints fine07:59
holycowsynd, anyone aactually code for that on osx? *shrug* mebbe :)07:59
LiberalTugboatyeah hoary comes on friday07:59
bestadvocatemebaran151: ok thanks then it must just be my computer and i wont file a bug07:59
syndholycow: openoffice07:59
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mebaran151my openoffice oopadmin crashes08:00
holycowno they killed that, they are doing some java stuff now08:00
theinelibben: why is there even a dead shortcut?08:00
syndholycow: yes, NeoOfficeJ08:00
LiberalTugboatI am really starting to not like open office08:00
LiberalTugboatit is SOOOOOO slow compaired to abiword08:00
cevansimPULSIV: I don't know, and it appears no one else here knows either.08:00
syndholycow: but it doesnt come close to Pages and Keynote : )08:00
bestadvocatewow i didnt know BitchX was pH-balanced for a woman.   i wonder which one?08:00
libbeni installed menu editor... and it appears twice in the applications/system tools menu... and it wont let it be removed with the menu editor tool08:00
holycowsynd, ehe :) well not yet08:01
Lancellorthere is a new version of open ofice coming out08:01
cevansimPULSIV: What is the exact error?08:01
holycowapple really needs to pitch in and just port oo08:01
imPULSIVso bye bye08:01
libbenand ive removed/uninstalled it and installed it again08:01
libbenstill exists08:01
holycowthey owe the open source at least that much08:01
imPULSIVit says like....08:01
truz24`when you type last, you get a list of the last logins to your system, where is this log located ?08:01
LiberalTugboatLancellor, and it will be even slower and more bloated08:01
imPULSIVwait ill post the log08:01
holycowif it wasn't for the bsd licence they would be dead right now08:01
theinelibben: don't know, by the way, is your resolution problem solved?08:01
LiberalTugboatno one uses all those extra OOo apps08:01
Lancellorsupss to be a lot faster08:01
imPULSIVExtension "AI Output" failed to load because a dependency was not met.08:01
imPULSIV  type: executable08:01
imPULSIV  location: path08:01
imPULSIV  string: pstoedit08:01
imPULSIVExtension "Dia Input" failed to load because a dependency was not met.08:01
imPULSIV  type: executable08:01
imPULSIV  location: path08:01
imPULSIV  string: dia08:02
syndimPULSIV: dont spam08:02
imPULSIV  description: In order to import Dia files, Dia itself must be installed.  You can get Dia at http://somesite.com08:02
imPULSIVExtension "Postscript Input" failed to load because a dependency was not met.08:02
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imPULSIV  type: executable08:02
imPULSIV  location: path08:02
syndimPULSIV: use #flood08:02
imPULSIV  string: pstoedit08:02
libbentheine, yes... i can only get that resolution by using NV as driver... if i choose nvidia it wont get that.08:02
imPULSIVExtension "Sketch Input" failed to load because a dependency was not met.08:02
imPULSIV  type: executable08:02
imPULSIV  location: path08:02
imPULSIV  string: skconvert08:02
imPULSIVExtension "Windows Metafile Input" failed to load because a dependency was not met.08:02
syndshit christ08:02
imPULSIV  type: executable08:02
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imPULSIV  location: path08:02
imPULSIV  string: wmf2svg08:02
imPULSIVExtension "EPS Input" failed to load because a dependency was not met.08:02
LiberalTugboatim STOP!!!08:02
cevansimPULSIV: please stop08:02
imPULSIV  type: extension08:02
imPULSIV  location: path08:02
imPULSIV  string: org.inkscape.input.ps08:02
imPULSIVits not spamming08:02
mebaran151imPULSIV, you really are08:02
imPULSIVdidnt know that08:02
theinelibben: when you switched to nvidia, did you unload the dri kernel module and modprobe the nvidia modula?08:02
EvilIdlerIt IS spamming.08:03
synddamnit i wish we had a +o bot08:03
mebaran151nah it is flooding08:03
Lancellorcheck for your self08:03
mebaran151a tad different08:03
syndits annoy8ing08:03
syndthe same08:03
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EvilIdlerWhatever the fuck it is, it's annoying08:03
LiberalTugboatLancellor, I know about 2.008:03
mebaran151less egregious but really bad anyway08:03
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mebaran151spamming is malicious08:03
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LiberalTugboatbut it still takes forever to load08:03
mebaran151so any of you guys know good musical notation apps08:03
imPULSIVso can so help instaed oftelling me not to spam08:03
Lancellorit is not aout yet08:03
mebaran151I love lilypond output, but Finale was easy to use08:03
LiberalTugboatand there is just to much junk08:03
mebaran151I would like something more visual08:03
Lancellorwhat do you think about that version08:04
syndmebaran151: yeah, Logic 708:04
syndmebaran151: but thats for OSX : )08:04
LiberalTugboatI dont need a database or a graphics program or a webpage designer08:04
holycowi do08:04
holycowit's a productivity suite, not a word processor08:04
bestadvocateyou know the one distro i liked more than Ubuntu, and I never even got it working?08:04
cevansimPULSIV: You are using ubuntu right?08:04
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LiberalTugboatI just want to type some documents, thats why I use Abiword08:05
imPULSIV5.04 rc08:05
bestadvocateevil entity, may she rest in peace.08:05
holycowLiberalTugboat, thats not a good critique of oo08:05
holycowright tool for the right job08:05
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imPULSIVyesterday i compiled gimpshop and that works great08:05
LiberalTugboatyeah but its just like with microsoft office, 95% of users only use 5% of the features08:05
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holycowthats very much a misnomer08:06
holycowif that were true08:06
libbentheine, i did unload dri once, but modprobe... dont know what that is... i did dpkg-reconfigure all time08:06
holycowthen notepad would be the default word editing suite08:06
LiberalTugboatmicrosoft teaches you to sell office on that fact that everyone else has it and not that they dont need it08:06
imPULSIVtoday i just installed the package version of inkscape and it cant import eps or ai08:06
holycowthere is a reason oo has to add so much just to get peoples attention08:06
libbenanyway... ill stick to this...08:06
theinelibben: what does 'modinfo nvidia' give you?08:06
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holycowwhat you mean is they use maybe 50 to 75%08:06
cevansimPULSIV: Have you tried installing pstoedit and dia?08:06
LiberalTugboatno Im not mistaken08:07
imPULSIVno where to find?08:07
imPULSIVvia apt?08:07
LiberalTugboatthe average user never goes past microsoft word08:07
cevansimPULSIV: probably08:07
robzulahWould I have to be out of GNOME in order to get and install KDE?08:07
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imPULSIVsearching wait plz08:07
cevansrobzulah: I don't think so - what do you mean?08:07
LiberalTugboatand doesnt do anything more then basic text formating (changing fonts, paragraphs)08:07
libbenfilename:       /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko || license:        NVIDIA || alias:          char-major-195-* || vermagic:       2.6.10-5-386 preempt 386 gcc-3.3 || depends:        agpgart || alias:          pci:v000010DEd*sv*sd*bc03sc00i00*08:08
LiberalTugboatnow businesses use more of office08:08
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LiberalTugboatlike excel08:08
syndLiberalTugboat: I agree08:08
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EvilIdlerYeah, people don't use even half the features of Word alone, and only a very minimal bit of the features in Excel.08:08
cevansimPULSIV: Yes?08:08
LiberalTugboatbut the average business still only uses about 10-20% of the features built into office08:08
imPULSIVfound the software and install it right now08:09
robzulahWell, I've tried a lot of stuff, and every time I try to get it, it tells there are unresolved dependencies.  They say either: Depends: *file name* but it is not going to be installed or: Depends: *filename* but it is not installable08:09
theinelibben: and 'lsmod | grep nvidia'?08:09
lunitikIs there any way to view what your FSB is? I can't seem to find it... (looked in lspci...)08:09
imPULSIVthx for your help so far08:09
LiberalTugboatonly about 5% of users use more then 50% of the features08:09
EvilIdlerLiberalTugboat: The average business has an undereducated secretary who is the only user of Office in the house :P08:09
Lancellori went to the kubuntu channel but nobody is there08:09
imPULSIVmaybe ill come backlater and tell you if it worked08:09
cevansimPULSIV: Ok08:09
syndLancellor: now what does that tell you? :x08:09
libbenlibben@burken:~$ lsmod | grep nvidia08:09
libbennvidia               3923388  1208:09
libbenagpgart                31784  2 intel_agp,nvidia08:09
imPULSIVso bybye all08:09
theinelibben: did you try to reboot?08:10
mebaran151lunitik, what is your chipset08:10
syndbrb gonna load into xfce08:10
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Lancelloryou right08:10
LiberalTugboatbut people think that more feature is better08:11
LiberalTugboatthat is farther from the truth08:11
cevansEek - sorry about the flooding. I didn't realise imPULSIV had a error message more than one or two lines.08:11
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libbennot after that no... but i dont care about the 1400x1050 resolution anymore08:11
LiberalTugboatif you try to do everything you will never do anything really well08:11
libbenits all good... i got good fps in glxgear08:11
theinelibben: how come?08:11
mebaran151I got 1400 x 1050 to work on my laptop08:11
lunitikmebaran151: heh... thats what I'm trying to figure out... thought it was SiS 661FX ... but apparently its a SiS 741 or 741GX (as far as I can see, FSB speed is the only difference)08:11
robzulahNoone know why those unresolved dependencies?08:11
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theinemebaran151: libben would have it to if he would just select the nvidia driver with dpkg-reconfigure and afterwards... REBOOT08:12
mebaran151what kind of northbridge does it report08:12
lunitikmebaran151: acquired this computer not-new ... trying to figure out exactly what it is...08:12
Jefishey, ubuntu in a second had crashed08:12
libbenit was abit high also... my monitor aint the newest one ... 1600 hurts my eyes with 85 hz... and 1400 was good ... but ive used 1280x1024 so much i got used to it more08:12
Jefisi need to chech filesystem08:12
Jefishow to do that?08:12
LiberalTugboatsis741gx is a pain in the butt08:12
cevansrobzulah: Are you running hoary?08:12
libbentheine, are you sure about that?08:12
LiberalTugboatthat is an AMD chipset08:12
theinelibben: It's very worth a try08:12
LiberalTugboatI know a good deal about it08:13
libbenill try one more after ive slept some08:13
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theinelibben: Won't you look like a Windows user too :)08:13
robzulahno, running Warty08:13
LiberalTugboatwe used to use that chipset in my companys low end AMD systems08:13
theinelibben: ... make ...08:13
robzulahPPC version08:13
Lancellorhey guys if i installed ubuntu in one computer and i move the hard drive to a new computer will rcognize my hardware?? and everithing??\08:13
lunitikmebaran151: doesn't appear to say... SiS 964 (MuTIOL media IO is the only listing for PCI Bridge)08:13
mebaran151lunitik, cat /proc/pci08:13
LiberalTugboatLancellor, no08:14
Lancelloror should i do a fresh install08:14
LiberalTugboatfresh install08:14
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Lancellorsorry for my stupid questions08:14
robitailleLancellor,  it could work...I have done it  but it's not always perfect08:14
LiberalTugboatthats not a stupid question08:14
lunitikmebaran151: not there...08:14
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Jefishow to run check file system utility, give me examples :)08:14
EvilIdlerLancellor: Ubuntu comes with a lot of drivers, so it will be recognised if the driver exists08:14
cevansrobzulah: Hmm... Sounds like apt is messed up, which usually happens while packages are being put into the repositories, but I don't know why that would happen for warty.08:14
EvilIdlerLancellor: Your system will not be configured for the new computer, though08:14
LiberalTugboatI deal with windows users 8 hours a day, no computer question is stupid to me08:15
EvilIdlercevans: Oh, how I wish for a repository lock while they're updating them :/08:15
Jefishow to run check file system utility08:15
mebaran151lunitik, huh?08:15
Lancellori have a newer computer running windows so i want to try ubuntu in my older one and if everithing works fine move to the newer one08:15
robzulahcevans: Know of any fixes for that?08:15
EvilIdlerlunitik: lspci, then?08:15
Enspyronlol... liberaltugboat.. then don't you ever get enough of answering the same simple questions over and over?08:15
hgoesmcan someone give me a good documantaion for pptp under ubuntu?08:16
lunitikmebaran151: cat: /proc/pci: No such file or directory08:16
cevansrobzulah: I can't see how that could be your problem if you are using warty.08:16
LiberalTugboatyeah, sometimes you just want to smack them08:16
dracflamlocanyone know a quick way to get two monitors going with the ATI drivers?08:16
mebaran151that is a sort of important file .. weird08:16
LiberalTugboatthe worse comes from mac users though08:16
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kisielkpart of providing support is answering the same questions over and over again08:17
EvilIdlerThere are no stupid questions, only stupid people ;)08:17
kisielktry hanging out in Vim some time :p08:17
holycowLiberalTugboat, lol, tell us about mac users08:17
LiberalTugboatwe had a mac user come in, he has a g5 imac, he wanted to buy some screen cleaner, (we dont deal with macs) but he was afraid the "pc" lcd cleaner wouldnt be compatible with his mac08:17
libbenNow my only problem is to get how i will get on my friends ftp with TLS encryption and use a GUI08:18
kisielkIf I had a nickle for every time someone asked how to get highlight to work..08:18
lunitikEvilIdler: if lspci told me what I wanted to know... I'd not be asking... (I want to know my FSB speed...)08:18
holycowEnspyron, i don't my self, i consider my reiteration of same facts as traiing08:18
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holycowthe numbnuts do learn actually, albeit slowly08:18
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EnspyronI want to install  a new linux distribution on my webserver, and if everything works well I will also install it on my workstation... would you recommend Ubuntu?08:18
LiberalTugboatso he had us search the apple web site to see if they had a compatibility list08:18
EvilIdlerlunitik: Bleh. Isn't there a hardware inventory command that does everything better?08:18
mebaran151lunitik, try cat /proc/cpuinfo08:18
BurgundaviaEnspyron: we might be biased around here08:18
EvilIdlerEnspyron: We're all deluded in here.08:19
holycowEnspyron, you really really should try all of them08:19
holycowyour question will answer it self in short order08:19
lunitikmebaran151: I looked at that... doesn't display FSB speed...08:19
Enspyrondunno.. just give me your opinion as to why ubuntu is the better08:19
Burgundaviaabsolutely every distro on distrowatch08:19
LiberalTugboatof couse we couldnt find a "screen cleaner" combatibility list08:19
deFryskEnspyron, in this room anyone would say Yes!08:19
Burgundaviaall 350+08:19
mebaran151maybe we can figure it out08:19
holycowi use debian but testing ubuntu, so far i'm really impressed08:19
LiberalTugboatso he bought the cleaner08:19
kisielkEnspyron: lol, strange place to be asking :p08:19
LiberalTugboat30 mins later he brought it back08:19
BurgundaviaEnspyron: which distro you should use is very personal. Find one that you like and stick with it08:20
EvilIdlerEnspyron: Ubuntu is better than Debian because of shorter release cycles and friendlier default setup (mine detected what my SMTP server is, for instance)08:20
LiberalTugboatsaying " I went to the mac store and bought mac compatible cleaner for a few dollars more, can I return this"08:20
kisielkEnspyron: kind of like going to Microsoft and asking if they recommend Win2k3...08:20
BurgundaviaLiberalTugboat: rofl08:20
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EvilIdlerEnspyron: Not comparing to other distros, since I don't trust anything without apt by default :P08:21
mebaran151let us do some googling08:21
EnspyronKisielk: except microsoft is all for profit08:22
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LiberalTugboatanother mac user "Do you sell computers?" -Yes we custom build all of our computers by hand08:22
mebaran151what kind of processor is in your system08:22
LiberalTugboat"do you build Macs?"08:22
lunitikmebaran151: AMD Athlon XP08:22
EvilIdlerUgh indeed.08:22
EnspyronI was just interested in knowing why you guys preffer ubuntu above others08:22
mebaran151lunitik, what does cpuinfo say it can do08:22
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LiberalTugboator subsitute that with (dell)(hp)08:23
mebaran151most of the athlon XP's ran at 333 mhz bus08:23
EnspyronI have seen Ubuntu over at my cousin and it looked good, easy to use08:23
FlimFlamMananyone know how a non-root user can burn an ISO to cd with nautilus?08:23
LiberalTugboatyes they can08:23
deFryskEnspyron, its a good fast and stable08:23
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LiberalTugboatright click on it08:23
Enspyronuhm.. sudo?08:23
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lunitikIt doesn't display bus speed...08:23
mebaran151FlimFlamMan, you have to set the permissions up right08:23
holycowLiberalTugboat, you work at a computer store dealy type of place right?08:23
mebaran151but what can it do08:23
KarlosIIEnspyron, I'm a former kanotix and GENTOO user, I prefer ubuntu for security and ease of use. :) Plus it uses severals things I like GNOME, XORG.08:23
EvilIdlerEnspyron: Actual usage is probably not much different from every other distro, but upgrading is very painless because of apt08:23
FlimFlamMani have group permissions set to rw and i'm a member of the group... still can't write08:24
lunitikmebaran151: you want the cpu MHz line? or the whole thing? or what?08:24
holycowLiberalTugboat, check this out, i bought 4 cases today, each and every single one had a faulty power supply08:24
kisielkFlimFlamMan: did you log out and back in since adding yourself to the group ?08:24
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mebaran151what cpu model08:24
LiberalTugboatyeah that sounds normal, were they cheap cases?08:24
EnspyronkarlosII: wow.. i have seen many people recommend gentoo for security (because it's so defineable they say)08:24
holycowi've had like intermittently bad cable, but today takes the cacke08:24
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FlimFlamManmebaran151, dudal athlons08:24
holycowLiberalTugboat, lol yeah08:24
lunitikmebaran151: 8 ... family 6 ..08:24
LiberalTugboatcheap cases have CHEAP power supplyes08:24
EvilIdlerholycow: The powersupplies weren't of the "Winner" brand, were they?08:24
holycowit's common with them?08:24
KarlosIIEnspyron, I'm talking user security08:24
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FlimFlamMankisielk, yes08:25
hgoesmmy ubuntu does not show the right CPU freq i have 650 MHz and  cat /proc/cpuinfo shows cpu MHz         : 497.75808:25
holycowEvilIdler, *hmmm* forgot to check, i will note that and check tommorrow, you sound familiar with the situation i guess?08:25
hgoesmcan someone help08:25
abinadid__i'm lancellor i'm running with ubuntu that i just installed i'm so exited08:25
Enspyronso upgrading ubuntu is a pain in the ass?08:25
hgoesmunder windows XP I had IntelSpeedStep08:25
EvilIdlerholycow: Dunno..I bought one that lasted two days. Then it just ceased to produce power right in the middle of a game. Similar things happened to a friend of mine.08:26
abinadid__iwas running on my windos machine08:26
holycowLiberalTugboat, *nod* so im finding out, what price range does 'reliability' start to kick in?08:26
LiberalTugboatupgrading ubuntu is the easiest08:26
BurgundaviaEnspyron: not really. The devs make it easy08:26
KarlosIIEnspyron, NO08:26
LiberalTugboatumm like around 40-5008:26
holycowEvilIdler, these ones fail to start up after you power down.  you need to pull the power cable to get them back up again.  weirdest thing i've seen08:26
LiberalTugboatat that price you will get one that works well08:26
holycowLiberalTugboat, oh thats not bad okay cool08:26
LiberalTugboatbut it will probably last like maybe 2-3 years tosps08:26
KarlosII40 to 50?08:26
EvilIdlerholycow: I've had a whole room of Fujitsu computers do that. Don't remember their brand of power, though.08:27
EnspyronOk, I will definatly install Ubuntu and look at it08:27
holycowEvilIdler, heh, really?08:27
LiberalTugboatif you want a good powersupply buy an antec case (they have antec ps in them)08:27
holycowi guess that kinda thing goes in batches08:27
LiberalTugboatthey are around 8008:27
EvilIdlerholycow: 6 or 7 Fujitsu mini-towers, from the P3 era08:27
holycowLiberalTugboat, *nod* will check into it08:27
BurgundaviaEnspyron: also try Suse, fedora, debian and maybe arch08:27
BurgundaviaEnspyron: and mandrake08:27
BurgundaviaEnspyron: get the live cds so you test without installing08:28
EvilIdlerholycow: Replaced them with other computers, and now have a stack motherboards the employer doesn't want :)08:28
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george_newbie question: does it matter if I download things in .rpm or .tgz?08:28
LiberalTugboatyou went .deb08:29
george_which one  is for gnome?08:29
EvilIdlergeorge_: Avoid 'em :)08:29
holycowheh, generally i like cheapo systems, i can't justify more than 1ghz or so systems for average use.  game playing sure, so i cheap out not for financial reasons, its kinda the right thing to do08:29
holycowobviously i'm mistaken about power supplies08:29
EvilIdlergeorge_: There's no package format for Gnome specifically08:29
EnspyronI tried Fedora and something about Suse I don't like... I am currently buying a new server and I'll put on multiple partitions and try more then one distro...08:29
george_alright, so technically either is fine then?08:29
lunitikmebaran151: found out its 'Athlon XP/MP(thoroughbred B core)'  (which means its the SiS 741GX model)  thanks for your assistance  :)08:29
LiberalTugboatmost people dont need computers faster then like 1-1.5ghz08:29
EvilIdlerholycow: I want the cheapest possible RAM (never got burnt), cheapest possible CPU still with some oomph. But powersupplies I prepare to shell out for, actually.08:30
LiberalTugboatEvilIdler, you want a tip on RAM08:30
holycowokay good to hear i'm not the only one that has that crazy idea :)08:30
EvilIdlerLiberalTugboat: I'm not "most people", thank goodness :)08:30
EvilIdlerLiberalTugboat: I don't need a tip. I have a very nice shop nearby where they get cheap quality RAM :)08:30
LiberalTugboatlow low cost08:31
LiberalTugboatbut lifetime warrenty08:31
paulproteusKingmax seems very good.  Any experience with them?08:31
LiberalTugboatplus PQI accually makes the ram08:31
holycowkingston is just an importer right?08:31
LiberalTugboatsame for crucial08:31
EvilIdlerCorsair and TwinMOS are the big names. I buy cheapo RAM that actually is noname TwinMOS. Never figured out how that works, but it's good.08:32
geneo91mines powmax08:32
LiberalTugboatwell TwinMOS doesnt make the ram08:32
EvilIdlerPQI is another good cheapo. It's what's in this computer, actually.08:32
LiberalTugboatneither does corsair08:32
nugeis hoary out tomorrow?08:32
LiberalTugboatyeah I love PQI08:32
robitaillenuge,  Friday08:32
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geneo91the 8th08:32
nugerobitaille: ok thanks08:32
EvilIdlerLiberalTugboat: Does ANYONE make their own crap anymore? :P08:32
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LiberalTugboatI got a gig of pqi turbo ram ddr400 running at ddr42008:32
LiberalTugboatyeah like I said PQI makes it08:33
LiberalTugboatthats why its cheap08:33
EvilIdlerThe timings are pretty low on the PQI I have, too08:33
LiberalTugboatno middle man08:33
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EvilIdlerRAM has been sorta overpriced for a long time. People don't need PC3200 if their CPU doesn't have 400MHz core speed08:34
EvilIdlerBus speed, whatever (it's late/earl)08:34
LiberalTugboatwell depending on purchasing, 3200 is cheaper then 270008:34
LiberalTugboatatleast retail08:35
EvilIdlerNow it is, possibly08:35
LiberalTugboatbecause you buy more volume08:35
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LiberalTugboatits hella cheap now08:35
EvilIdler2700 is probably not even for sale anymore at the local shops08:35
LiberalTugboatyeah we dont carry 2700 anymore08:35
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EvilIdlerIt's still expensive here. The wheels of progress are square in my country :/08:35
holycowi find theres always a ram 'sweetspot' for pricing it out08:35
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holycowi don't remember overpaying ever on ram08:35
KarlosIIthey've been selling 512 MB pc 3200/400 stickst for $100 CDN about for the last 1.5 years08:36
KarlosIIit's price fixed imho08:36
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holycowKarlosII, lol yeah08:36
holycowthats still reasonable imho08:36
EvilIdlerKarlosII: Quick calculation makes that a lower price than the average here08:36
holycowi remember a few years ago that used to be 30008:36
KarlosIIstill high I want 512 to go for the price of 25608:37
EvilIdlerMail-order has the occasional offer I can't resist, though. Upto 30% cheaper than the shops here08:37
KarlosIIfreaking lame shops here and major companies are still only putting in 256 mb in a WINXP computer08:37
mR-STuPiDi know somewhere you can get a gig for like 120 in a dual channel kit08:37
EvilIdlerYou can't make untweaked WinXP do anything useful on 256:/08:37
libbenAnyone knows if i can get ubuntu on my pocketloox 720 ? =) 1 gb CF card to it =) and 520 mhz08:37
LiberalTugboatI saw 1 gig online for 89 (corsair value)08:37
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mR-STuPiDoh, thats really good08:38
KarlosIIof course the timing is cl3 but having cl2 is less then a 5% difference08:38
BurgundaviaI run corsair value08:38
Burgundaviahasn't died in 6 months08:38
KarlosII$75 CDN08:38
EvilIdler5% is enough for me to care, actually08:38
mR-STuPiDi'm not completely understanding the facination with low latency ram08:38
EvilIdlerWhen the price gap isn't huge, that is08:38
mR-STuPiDonly a couple FPS difference max08:38
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KarlosIImR-STuPiD, not very significant08:38
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sindreHi.  Did anyone notice weird behaviour from X after the upgrade in hoary yesterday?  My screen suddenly doesn't want to use the right resolution (choosing 1024x768 instead of 1600x1200, and trying to force it didn't help either).08:39
KarlosIImR-STuPiD, it'd be better to spend your money on a better cpu08:39
mR-STuPiDyou can get the value brand from the same companies for under half the cost08:39
EvilIdlermR-STuPiD: Bigger numbers in benchmarks :P08:39
KarlosIIsindre, it changed your xorg.conf to the default one08:39
muepsindre: I dist-upgraded yesterday and had that problem08:39
EvilIdlermR-STuPiD: That's what I'm buying, basically. Low-latency value RAM.08:39
LiberalTugboatmost ram can take faster timings08:40
libbenif anyone has a site that will have howto install linux onto pdas... much appreiated... i have this little beauty.. http://www.firstloox.org/index.php?categoryid=8&p2_articleid=2508:40
muepI also reconfigured xorg but it didn't help08:40
KarlosIII've changed my xorg back and made a backup copy with the screen res's for my monitor and the size options08:40
EvilIdlersindre: Seen people with that problem for most of the evening till now08:40
mebaran151LiberalTugboat, not if you want it to stay accurate08:40
sindreEvilIdler: Heh, great.08:40
KarlosIIlibben, google familiar08:40
mR-STuPiDhalf the time, the more expensive ram is the same chips, just with a high default voltage08:41
sindreAltho I'm not sure what changed, since I never actually edited.  I guess a dpkg-reconfigure should fix stuff.08:41
LiberalTugboatlike 2.5 3 3 708:41
libbenyeah,.. but i wanted a more answer of someone who tried it08:41
KarlosIIlibben, not sure the the timing on this kingston, but I know it's around cl308:41
EvilIdlerThere's a tool called CPU-Z for Win32 that shows actual timings. Can we get all that info in /proc?08:41
KarlosIIEvilIdler, godd thought08:41
LiberalTugboatcl 3 is fine08:42
LiberalTugboatcl 4 is crap08:42
KarlosIILiberalTugboat, I agre08:42
LiberalTugboatwell unless your talking DDR2 then its great08:42
LiberalTugboatbut that is completely different08:42
mebaran151just check your bios08:42
LiberalTugboatmebaran151, cheap mobos wont tell you the timings08:42
EvilIdlermebaran151: The BIOS only lets you *set* timings; it doesn't accurately *report*08:43
sindreThough, IMHO the installer should've backuped the old, or atleast asked if you wanted to keep it, replace it with default etc.  Oh well. :)08:43
LiberalTugboatbut if you have a cheap mobo you dont care about mem timings08:43
KarlosIIsindre, agreed08:43
EvilIdlersindre: If X upgrade *didn't* keep your X config, report it as a bug!08:43
holycowLiberalTugboat, heh *nod* right08:44
holycowhey would anyone have any recommendations for an onboard video chipset with good 3d acceleration?08:44
sindreEvilIdler: I can only find xorg.conf in /etc/X11. no xorg.conf.YYYYMMDDfoo08:45
LiberalTugboatholycow, 900 series08:45
holycowi'd love to be able to give regular users the ability to play neverbal with like a stock open source driver08:45
LiberalTugboaton the new intel boards08:45
EvilIdlersindre: Yeah, that sounds broken08:45
sindreSo I'm asuming that it didn't make any backups.  Unless it places it in a totally different place.08:45
holycow900 series? oh intel eh?08:45
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holycowgood linux support?08:45
LiberalTugboatyeah its fast enought to play world of warcraft08:45
LiberalTugboatnot sure about linux support08:45
LiberalTugboatshould be08:46
holycowokay i'll check it out thanks08:46
LiberalTugboatits intels new onboard08:46
holycowdoes it come in a cheapy version?08:46
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libbenwonders what happend if i pop in my pda.08:46
holycowor ist that premium product right now?08:46
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LiberalTugboatumm they have 910 and 915 boards08:46
wdhlibben, try it then :)08:46
LiberalTugboatI think they make a 915 board for under 10008:47
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sindreAh, works nicely now.  Thanks for the tips.  Running 1024x768 on a 20" LCD was a pain in the ass. ;-)08:47
wdh100 yen?08:47
mR-STuPiDhmm... i thought it was 915 and 192508:47
EvilIdlersindre: Change position.08:47
LiberalTugboatmR-STuPiD, they have 3 910 915 92508:47
mR-STuPiDoh, thanks, wasnt aware of 91008:47
LiberalTugboat910 915 are the consumer 925 is server08:48
wdhLiberalTugboat, i suppose you mean dollars.. but you might wanna be more specific :) there are ample non-americans here :)08:48
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LiberalTugboatamerican dollars08:48
holycowi've been buying boards with sis chipsets, shitty but works decent under linux08:48
mR-STuPiDim an amd guy anyway08:48
holycowill try the intel 900 series and see how it goes08:48
KarlosIIholycow, gah08:48
LiberalTugboatyeah so am I08:48
Zotnixholycow, under SiS myself.08:48
ZotnixNo openGL support at all.08:48
EvilIdlerHow many buckets of merkin dollars per Euro nowadays?08:48
holycowthere is some, but its not very good, they implemented a fraction of ogl only i think08:49
LiberalTugboatbut I work for an intel premier provider (top 2% of the system builders in america) so I have to know this stuff08:49
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holycowfor example, blender works, but neverball barely redraws08:49
LiberalTugboatintel actually comes and ask us08:49
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wdhEvilIdler, 1.2908:50
markoI've got a failure08:50
EvilIdlerwdh: Not that I care - I don't use either currency :P08:50
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wdhEvilIdler, :P08:50
wdhwell.. since  i only use one of them.. i really dont care either.. but of course i could go on a trip to america quite cheap.. but then again.. who would want to go to america :)08:51
markoCould anybody please help me with my packet-system...I get an error, when I want to install new packages...and don't know how to solve it08:51
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wdhmarko, whats the error?08:52
markook...I'll paste it08:52
markoEntpacke python2.3-gtk2 (aus .../python2.3-gtk2_2.6.1-2_i386.deb) ...08:52
markodpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.3-gtk2_2.6.1-2_ i386.deb (--unpack):08:52
marko versuche /usr/bin/pygtk-demo zu berschreiben, welches auch in Paket python2. 4-gtk2 ist08:52
markodpkg-deb: Unterprozess paste gettet mit Signal (Datenbergabe unterbrochen (bro ken pipe))08:52
markoFehler traten auf beim Bearbeiten von:08:52
marko /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.3-gtk2_2.6.1-2_i386.deb08:52
markoE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)08:52
wdhif its a large paste.. bring it to #flood i was going to say :S08:52
Burgundaviamarko: #ubuntu-de08:52
EvilIdlerwdh: Not much to see there, and they've held fellow countrymen (and women) at the airport on obscure charges08:52
wdhmarko, Burgundavia has a point :P08:53
markoi didn't know, that there is a german chat08:53
EvilIdlermarko: Conflicts between pythin2.3-gtk2 and python-demo08:54
Burgundaviamarko: npo08:54
Burgundaviamarko: np08:54
markoyeah...something like that...but i don't know how to solve it08:54
EvilIdlermarko: Try a dpkg --purge pygtk-demo, then apt-get -f install08:55
EvilIdlermarko: I don't think you really need the demo, anyway. Just grab some source if interested.08:55
markoright EvilIdler...thx08:55
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abinadid__do you have a good tutorial to how cuztomize gnome08:56
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markohmm...strange...seems to be pygtk-demo is not installed08:56
EvilIdlerThe way apt complains at times makes it look like the end of the world, but the problems fix themselves eventually08:56
EvilIdlermarko: apt-get -f install, then?08:57
markoI tried already and there is the error I posted...It says, that it wants to overwrite pygtk-demo, because it's also in the python2-packet, but it fails because of a broken pipe...whatever this means...*g*08:58
EvilIdlermarko: Ah..list all the python packages, and see if there's one that looks like a meta-package08:59
holycowmarko maybe wait until tommorrow or whenever the release is ...08:59
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imPULSIVhey cervans08:59
holycowi find with debian types of distros just waiting a bit to see if the package is resolved helps08:59
holycowmost of the time it does get fixed09:00
imPULSIVi got rid of all these errors09:00
EvilIdlerThe errors may be caused by your local mirror being in the process of rsyncing09:00
imPULSIVnow when importing an ai with for example one outline09:00
imPULSIVdid so for testing09:00
holycow*nod* yeah that too09:00
imPULSIVit doesnt even show the outline09:00
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imPULSIVso do i have to change st in the prefrences or so?09:01
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imPULSIVplz help09:01
imPULSIVi despraatlywant this to work09:01
imPULSIVsry but im german09:02
imPULSIVdont mind my english09:02
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imPULSIVso any suggestions @ all09:03
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ArniaimPULSIV: Try using the CVS of inkscape... they develop very fast, but don't release very often. Its not often I recommend using CVS, but for inkscape its worthwhile09:04
BurgundaviaimPULSIV: try #ubuntu-de09:04
holycowArnia, really?09:04
markook EvilIdler...I listed python with dpkg -l python...and I got the following: ii  python          2.4.1-0ubuntu2  An interactive high-level object-oriented lang09:04
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holycowi'll haveto give that a try my self09:04
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imPULSIVthey all are sleeping09:04
imPULSIVits just early in the morning here09:05
Arniaholycow: CVS inkscape is immense. Really really really amazing09:05
EvilIdlermarko: dpkg -l "*pyth*"09:05
holycowArnia, really?09:05
holycowneato, now i'm psyched :)09:05
holycowi love that app09:05
Arniaholycow: But they do feature-based releases and until they've achieved their roadmap aim they won't release again09:05
imPULSIVhow do you get cvs versions to work?09:05
imPULSIVi installed the autopackage09:05
Arniaholycow: They've expanded tile-clones, have support for base-line alignment and all other kinds of stuff09:06
holycow*nod* and thats fine, i couldn't behappier with their forking of whatever the other app was09:06
holycowoh right09:06
ArniaWhich wasn't very nice09:06
imPULSIVthey say its beeing genareted from cvs09:06
markoEvilIdler: and how can I identify a meta-package?09:06
holycowoh that sounds like awesome features09:06
Arniaholycow: Tile clones now do tracing09:06
holycowyeah sodipodi is kinda one persons pet project, no vision, it was a good start but weird09:06
Arniaholycow: So you can have your clones change size, opacity, colour or presence based on the drawing underneath09:06
EvilIdlermarko: Just paste the packagenames on one line in a PM to me09:06
holycowno shit? *ooo*09:07
Arniaholycow: Look at the screenshots :)09:07
holycowArnia, i have this feeling that inkscape will turn into a power house like gimp09:07
holycowi did two commercial projects in gimp already, and it beats photoshop hands down in almost every way09:07
EvilIdlerholycow: You mean you're hoping? ;)09:07
imPULSIVhowto istall cvs inkscape?09:07
holycowk, checkin t heir site out now :)09:08
EvilIdlerInkscape looks like it'll be important, yeah09:08
holycowEvilIdler, no, i actually bit the bullet and did one project all in gimp09:08
imPULSIVyou need to get yourself gimpshop09:08
holycowit took 1 and 1/2 days to unlear photoshop09:08
imPULSIVits the best of both worlds in one app09:08
holycowgimp is superior to pshop09:08
holycowand gimpshop is a stupid idea09:08
imPULSIVno its so great09:08
holycowgimp gui is way more powerfull than people realize, no one gives it a chance09:08
holycowno its stupid09:08
holycowlol sorry09:09
imPULSIViwork wit ps since 4.x09:09
holycowme too, roughly there about09:09
Arniagimpshop reminds me of GoneME09:09
imPULSIVand belive me i appriciate it09:09
holycow*nod* hey it works for you09:09
imPULSIVthats what i mean09:09
EvilIdlerIf you're used to regular Gimp, gimpshop is not a good idea09:09
holycowwhat i found about my self was that i was stuck in the 'photoshop way'09:09
Arniahaving a menu reorganisation for photoshop would be nice, but it should be a selectable set of XML files for the new menus09:10
holycowwhich is just fucking wrong09:10
holycowmdi is wrong09:10
holycowphotoshop is wrong09:10
Arnia(all Gimp menus are specified in XML)09:10
GoneBoBgimpshop is good for people who pirate photoshop. that is all I have to say09:10
ZotnixMaybe GIMP should incorporate their idea... and give an option.09:10
holycowi gain so much speed just by relearning the gimp gui, never mind there being a whole ton of neat little features that i like09:10
ArniaZotnix: Yes, but it would be as a different set of XML files for the menu. The rest of the Gimp UI is undeniably more sensible (proper tool names for a start)09:10
holycowGoneBoB, basically its for people who are stuck in their way, and cannot 'unlearn'09:11
holycowit litterally takes quite a bit of work to 'unlearn' ps, because thats all anyone ever used09:11
holycowthey have more of a hold on that market than ms, it's beyond cult programming09:11
imPULSIV@ holy09:11
imPULSIVright man09:11
imPULSIVif you used it for production for such a long time09:12
imPULSIVthan its so hard09:12
holycowno you just think it is09:12
imPULSIVcos i still need to work :)09:12
holycow1.5 days for me09:12
holycowpick one small commercial project, that will take 2 or 3 days09:12
holycowspec it out so you break even caus it will take you longer09:12
EvilIdlerPhotoshop is incredibly overpriced around here. The big edition is easily two months' salaries.09:12
holycowand just learn gimp09:12
holycowyou will be amazed09:12
holycowi promise, i'm not slaggin ps, or saying you should stop using it09:13
imPULSIVi bought the cs premium09:13
imPULSIVand use it on osx and win09:13
Artemis3sadly nobody pays for those things here, its even harder to convince ppl...09:13
imPULSIVgot two packs for agency and private09:13
ZotnixWhen I used Windows I liked Fireworks.09:13
holycow*nod* i will never use ps again, unless its for a 1 or 2 features that gimp doesn't have yet09:13
EvilIdlerArtemis3: No serious company here pirates it, so the Gimp is occasionally used09:13
holycow2.2 release was amazing step for them09:14
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EvilIdlerArtemis3: Except the crazy Mac people. They buy PS :)09:14
imPULSIVfw is not bad but imageready is better with me for the sake ofusig adobe interface09:14
Artemis3only microsoft bribes the cops to do any search, and photoshop has no ppl here09:14
Artemis3or adobe09:14
Artemis3i forgot the company09:14
ArniaAdobe's interface is so horribly idiosyncratic09:14
holycowfw is basically useless as is imageready09:14
holycowi can't ever imagine having image maps on a site at all09:14
holycowor gif mouseovers09:15
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holycowmaybe that will make a comeback as a retro 90's thing someday :)09:15
IRCMonkey_2 days to go until release?09:15
imPULSIVbut slicing is sooo easy in imageready09:15
holycowuseless for me i mean, :) in all humbleness09:15
imPULSIVanyway ... just my point o w09:16
holycowimPULSIV, *nod* oh yeah, not diggin it, i basically design so everything is easy to slice to begin with, you kinda know where you can save bandwidth ahead of time, and i just throw down guides ... no biggie09:16
EvilIdlermarko: Some of those packages don't have Ubuntu in their version tag09:16
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holycowman i remember the mid 90's when high speed started to just come around ...09:17
holycowi remember doing huge goddamn guis and image maps and super optimizing image sections09:17
imPULSIVthx evrbody here for the help so far ill try my luck with the inkscape channel now09:17
holycowheh :)09:17
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EvilIdlerholycow: What, you had high speed in the 90s?09:18
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holycowt1 :) lol09:18
holycowat work09:18
Artemis3high speeds?09:18
holycowdsl at home09:18
Arniaholycow: Inkscape is great for slicing actually... if you give objects IDs (even transparent objects that don't 'print') then it will export everything to the correctly named images09:18
Artemis3which year?09:18
holycowArtemis3, those days were a blur, wish i could tell you exactly :)09:19
holycowi'd haveto look up when they fired me first09:19
holycowhaha :)09:19
Artemis3haha a blur09:19
JimbobArtemis3: Does it matter? A T1 is still insanely expensive today.09:19
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holycowArnia, really? it never even occured to me09:19
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IRCMonkey_when will the new release take part guys?09:19
holycow6th last i heard09:20
Artemis3my first internet contact was in 93, a shared text terminal plugged to a sillicon graphics mainframe wich shared a 32kbps link with too many ppl09:20
Jimbobholycow: today is the 6th09:20
abinadid__does any one know how to install and run gdesklets09:20
Artemis3at least i mastered lynx back then09:20
Arniaholycow: What do you think of the screenshots?09:20
holycowJimbob, heh, so it is!09:20
EvilIdler8th is the supposed release09:20
robitailleholycow,  release on Friday the 8th09:20
EvilIdlerFriday, in other words, is Hoary storm.09:20
holycowArnia, i was busy pitching that pshop dude the mighty gimp to get to them :)09:20
LiberalTugboatgdesklets is in universe09:20
holycowgoin now09:20
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LiberalTugboatjust apt-get it09:21
robitailleholycow,  it used to be the 6th, but was delayed 2 days a couple of weeks ago09:21
Artemis3dialup acces was available around 95 and dsl around 9809:21
abinadid__i did it now what09:21
holycowrobitaille, oh really? ehe, k. whenever, ubuntu is rocking my world as is gnome 2.10, these guys are the best09:21
ArniaGnome's typography is beautiful09:22
holycowArtemis3, yeah i remember being in internet cafes very early 90's09:22
robitailleholycow,  yeah, it's a good distro09:22
ArniaEspecially with my Gill Sans interface :)09:22
holycowArtemis3, now that i think about it more, your timeline is probably more accurate09:22
Artemis3and internet here is still expensive..09:22
Artemis3about 40US$ for dsl 256/128 kbps09:22
holycowrobitaille, ubuntu simply shows what debian can be on a time based release09:23
holycowand some cash behind it09:23
abinadid__i went to acesories gdesklets and i got the gdeklets shell09:23
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Artemis3but at least its flat rate, we didnt have flatrate until dsl09:23
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holycowof course debian should always be a community only, it's good ubuntu is separate09:23
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Arniaholycow: And a focus on usability don't forget09:23
GNAM-2 days09:23
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abinadid__i have to buttons displays and controls09:24
holycowArtemis3, i litterally remember one day being in an internet cafe and this old yuppie fucks walk in, look at me and go 'oh look honey, he's surfing!'09:24
IRCMonkey_guys don't you think MDK urpmi is better than apt-get09:24
holycowi still shake at the thought of that today09:24
EvilIdlerGetting more than 2Mbit at an affordable price is still hard here, plus I can't get more upload bandwidth at all :/09:24
IRCMonkey_i tried both09:24
IRCMonkey_but urpmq --fuzzy pkgname is absolutely needed09:25
holycowArnia, *nod* i still can't get over how gnome 2.10 and ubuntu finally feel like a finished desktop09:25
EvilIdlerIRCMonkey_: But have you lived for a year with both?09:25
Burgundaviawhat does urpmi offer that apt-get doesn;t (not trying to troll, just looking for info)09:25
holycowi can now just install it and leave it alone, the places menu was a stroke of brilliance09:25
IRCMonkey_EvilIdler: yeah09:25
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IRCMonkey_Burgundavia: fuzzy search09:25
holycowall the mac users will immediately understand it, as do win users too but they take a little longer09:25
EvilIdlerIRCMonkey_: Then only you can answer if it's good for you or not ;)09:25
Burgundaviafuzzy search? on cli?09:25
Artemis3i learned unix like text enviroments by using those terminals attached to the mainframe. Irix 5.2 just the version before preemptime multitasking :(09:26
IRCMonkey_EvilIdler: that's true09:26
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IRCMonkey_Burgundavia: MDK09:26
EvilIdlerIRCMonkey_: I've only had trouble with MDK myself. RH was worse. Debian's apt was always nice to me.09:26
george_was wondering if anyone could tell me how to exit X, and have gnome not boot directly into X but instead boot into a VGA console (installing nvidia drivers, heh09:26
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BurgundaviaIRCMonkey_: what kind of fuzzy search and where?09:27
Arniaholycow: Its the first distro I haven't had the urge or the need to fiddle09:27
IRCMonkey_EvilIdler: MDK is not what it used to be, ugly fonts by default is something i can't get rid off09:27
Arniaholycow: Dropped it in and immediately I was productive... its amazing09:27
IRCMonkey_Burgundavia: for example you want a package named tv you try #urpmq pkgname09:28
EvilIdlerIRCMonkey_: The apt-based distros have been real nice in that respect. Hardware detection is great on all sorts of distros now, though.09:28
ctrso, anyone got dual head working on an ibook ?09:28
IRCMonkey_Burgundavia: but if you want pkgname sound alike you try urpmq --fuzzy pkgname09:28
BurgundaviaIRCMonkey_: nice feature09:29
IRCMonkey_EvilIdler: will we have NV drivers in new relase09:29
BurgundaviaIRCMonkey_: I like a good gui tool though09:29
holycowArnia, today i had this epiphany kind of moment, i haven't actually had time to config the desktop as i normally do, the company had this big meeting so every bozo is handing me things to burn, search, play an mp3, opoen up floppies, convert things, search for files on cdrom .... and then it hit me, i didn't touch the fstab file09:29
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Burgundaviahow is mdk for that?09:29
holycowheh :)09:29
IRCMonkey_Burgundavia: gurpmi09:29
IRCMonkey_Burgundavia: something like synaptic09:29
i58anyone have an xorg.conf tat will get an emac/Radeon 9200 to run in 1280x1024? Been beating my head against this for hours!09:29
EvilIdlerIRCMonkey_: I'm using NVidia now, and everything's fine09:29
Arniaholycow: The only things I've changed (beyond installing software of course) are my background, my theme (to Clearlooks Olive) and my font (I can't stand Vera Sans cos I do too much typography, and its problems irritate me too much.) to Adobe's Gill Sans09:29
IRCMonkey_EvilIdler: even 3d?09:29
IRCMonkey_EvilIdler: it's painfully slow with MDK def. drivers09:29
holycowArnia, lol, i just haven't had time09:30
IRCMonkey_EvilIdler: will Ubuntu come with official NV drivers?09:30
EvilIdlerIRCMonkey_: Nice, fast NV-GLX accelleration.09:30
holycowoh the other thing, i was opening windows network shares without a problem09:30
IRCMonkey_EvilIdler: by default?09:30
kakaltohow do I get my warty system typing in japanese?09:30
holycowi was like copy files everywhere and then i thought, wait, wtf, i didn't haveto config samba?09:30
EvilIdlerIRCMonkey_: Only thing I haven't tried yet is UT2004, plus xine seems to fail playing fullscreen. But that's xine.09:30
IRCMonkey_EvilIdler: I don't know how to recompile kernel etc I am still a Linux newbie09:30
BurgundaviaIRCMonkey_: too difficult to set up by default09:30
Arniaholycow: usability is one of my base morals, oddly... so I notice it when I don't have to think about it ;)09:31
BurgundaviaIRCMonkey_: you don't need to recompile. Just install the package09:31
EvilIdlerIRCMonkey_: It worked by default..after getting the real drivers. Ubuntu starts off with nv open source drivers.09:31
IRCMonkey_Burgundavia: so it's not by def.09:31
IRCMonkey_EvilIdler: nice to hear that09:31
EvilIdlerIRCMonkey_: apt-get install nvidia-glx, load the driver, restart X09:31
BurgundaviaIRCMonkey_: like I said, very difficult to get working correctly ootb09:31
Xeon3Dholy mac-a-moly. 160 mb of Updating again... (and btw.. Kubunto owns almost as much as Ubuntu).09:31
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IRCMonkey_EvilIdler: what are you using for games: winex?09:32
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EvilIdlerIRCMonkey_: The only trouble with NVidia drivers right now on Ubuntu are when compiling it yourself, especially if you're not familiar with programming etc.09:32
IRCMonkey_cedega i mean?09:32
EvilIdlerIRCMonkey_: A computer on my left, running WinXp.09:32
IRCMonkey_so there's a package for NV09:32
Arniaholycow: I dislike it when people call Linux an OS (its a kernel) and but I find it hard to call most distros OSs either. Ubuntu is a proper OS IMO :)09:33
IRCMonkey_EvilIdler: heh09:33
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EvilIdlerIRCMonkey_: I'm on AMD64, running real 64-bit Ubuntu, and the games I've tried so far are all LucasArts games, Kohan and Alpha Centauri.09:33
libbenWindows is a kernel also.09:33
EvilIdlerIRCMonkey_: SMAC has a network problem.09:33
IRCMonkey_Arnia: Linux is an OS09:33
holycowArnia, *nod* it's also different enough to catch peoples ear at least in english09:33
Xeon3DArnia : so what do you call to a Linux Kernel + Packages ?09:33
holycowubuntu is memorale09:33
IRCMonkey_but how years passed09:33
Xeon3DIRCMonkey_, Linux is a Kernel.09:33
holycowsuse or redhat people forget more easily i think09:33
IRCMonkey_were passing09:33
IRCMonkey_the definition of OS changed09:34
IRCMonkey_and included GUI09:34
wdhIRCMonkey_, you are referring to GNU/Linux i guess :)09:34
Xeon3DOnly the kernel is called Linux... the rest is just a group of packages that work with the kernel.09:34
IRCMonkey_so, Linux has become only kernel09:34
Mark_Kgeorge_: You need to edit your /etc/inittab file. Look for the line that has 'initdefault' in it and change the '2' to a '1'.09:34
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StR34kso I was wondering if anyone would know where .debs unpack to?09:34
IRCMonkey_what would you say for DOS09:34
IRCMonkey_kernel or OS?09:34
holycowArnia, i ran into an extra pc over the weekend, i'm thinking of throwing ubuntu on there and giving it to a friend to use ... i'd love to teach her how to use it, then get her opinion on it09:35
ArniaI don't think an OS needs to have a GUI. I think it does need enough programs to actually do something other than spin :)09:35
EvilIdlerIRCMonkey_: Linux never was anything but a kernel. The utilities we use are a collection of BSD and GNU tools.09:35
IRCMonkey_Linux is now kernel, that's true but started like OS09:35
wdhIRCMonkey_, Linux as such has always been the kernel09:35
IRCMonkey_EvilIdler: I agree with that, but it still controls the hardware09:35
EvilIdlerIRCMonkey_: Yeah, like kernels do :)09:35
IRCMonkey_BIOS controls hardware too09:35
IRCMonkey_and it's called biOS09:35
wdhGNU/Linux is the combination of the linux-kernel and the GNU packages.. together they can be called OS09:35
IRCMonkey_I didn't here anyone calls it BIKERNEL09:36
Xeon3Dtrue that wdh09:36
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Artemis3kakalto: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/JapaneseInputHowto09:36
holycowi dont think anyone disagrees with wdh09:36
ArniaBasic Input Kernel09:36
EvilIdlerIRCMonkey_: Yes, it means Basic In/Out System09:36
closurei have a problem with ubuntu09:36
GNAMAfter 5.04 HoaryHedgehog, 5.10 BreezyBadger09:36
closureperhaps someone else has as well09:36
kakaltocheers, Artemis309:36
Arniaclosure: Settle out of court ;)09:36
Burgundaviaclosure: what sort?09:36
IRCMonkey_so it's a system09:37
closurewhen i close my laptop and i open it back up09:37
IRCMonkey_not kernel09:37
closureit will not reload09:37
Arniaclosure: Ctrl + Alt + 7 then touch a key09:37
Xeon3Derm.. peepz.. BIOS <-> Hard. Layer <-> Kernel <-> App. Layer09:37
closureit stays black like it's suspended but i've set it to not goto suspend09:37
Artemis3kakalto: that stuff needs working imo, it is a bit unfriendly09:37
Xeon3Dan OS is the collection of the last 3.09:37
closureArnia, hrm09:37
closureis there a way to make it automatic?09:37
kakaltoartemis3: what's imo?09:37
Artemis3ubuntu needs better japanese input support09:37
IRCMonkey_anyway, kernel or OS it works better than Win, that's enough for me09:38
closureor simply not goto suspend like that?09:38
Artemis3in my opinion09:38
Artemis3we should not need to compile and such09:38
Arniaclosure: I think its an ACPI bug. Its not suspending, just changing terminals09:38
Artemis3but in the meantime thats for warty09:38
YcrosArtemis3: im-ja2 or kinput2 or something? I'm not sure as only my laptop runs ubuntu09:38
StR34kSo I was wondering if I could get a hand with a problem I have/09:38
closureArnia,  so what exactly does ctrl+alt+7 do?09:38
Artemis3read the wiki, it shows the situation http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/JapaneseInputHowto09:39
Arniaclosure: Changes the virtual terminal to the one X (the graphics layer) sits on09:39
EvilIdlerYou only need alt+7 when in console mode, normally09:39
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YcrosArtemis3: I never got uim and all that stuff working, I think I used kinput209:40
Xeon3DStR34k, shoot the problem.09:40
closurewell if it's just changing terminals why does it goto a black screen09:40
Xeon3DStR34k, I mean.. ask.09:40
closurewouldn't it be a console login?09:40
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Arniaclosure: Not if the terminal isn't one with a login attached09:40
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Arniaclosure: Like I said, I think its ACPI messing up09:40
StR34kXeon3D, :) hehe, Well,  I deleted a file I shouldn't have... *blush* and when I reinstall the package it's in, it doesn't put the file back.09:41
Artemis3yes thats why i think that needs to be addressed, maybe when japanese users try more ubuntu? but if japanese input is unfriendly, will they use it?09:41
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YcrosArtemis3: I agree there should be some sort of automatic input support thing happening09:41
Artemis3or at least good packages09:42
EvilIdlerStR34k: Try dpkg --purge on the package, and then install it again09:42
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StR34kXeon3D, So I figure I should just be able to unpack the deb, and copy the file to where it's supposed to go... but I dont know how to get at the files in the deb.09:42
ratl3who here has seen a kernel panic?09:42
Artemis3i18n is a good area to improve and a goal of ubuntu09:42
StR34kEvilIdler, I would rather not do that, cause it's an init script.09:42
holycowStR34k, dpkg -x package.deb wil extract it09:43
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elcuhello. this is the first time i have actually got a working dial-up connection in Linux09:43
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closureArnia, what is ACPI?09:43
ratl3the more hardware i disable in the bios the longer it is prolonged09:43
EvilIdlerArtemis3: I didn't have perfect Nordic input in terminals, so some i18n work is needed09:43
EvilIdlerStR34k: Ouch09:43
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Xeon3DStR34k, why don't you just install it?09:43
Artemis3step by step i guess :)09:43
ratl3hardware problem, or kernel problem?09:43
gabaugmy mouse, screen, and music have been freezing up on Hoary for weeks now, and it's driving me mad.09:43
StR34kholycow, Perfect.09:43
StR34kholycow, thanx.09:44
EvilIdlerratl3: Have you compiled your own kernel? Changed ram speed drastically? Overclocked other components?09:44
Arniaclosure: The power management 'standard' used on PCs09:44
StR34kXeon3D, I tried, but the file didn't get put back.09:44
gabaugI'm thinking of reinstalling, but I'm worried that the problem might be in some settings w/ in my home directory, and won't be fixed by a reinstall.  Is that likely?09:44
Arniaclosure: Its not a very strictly followed standard though09:44
ratl3EvilIdler, i haven't done any of that09:44
Arniaclosure: And hence sometimes the software support messes up09:44
kakaltoArtemis3, is there quite a large OSS community in Japan?09:44
ratl3EvilIdler,  i'm trying to install it09:44
GNAMtry hoaryfina in two days, gabaug09:44
Artemis3it would be nice if some global input method that could address all languages (or the most possible) could be implemented, maybe a gnome thing or so09:45
StR34kEvilIdler, Yeah, and it was all my own inattention.09:45
ArniaRight.. I'm off. See you all later09:45
EvilIdlerratl3: Kernel panics on installation?09:45
gabaugGNAM: hoaryfina?09:45
closurewell thanks for the help Arnia09:45
ratl3EvilIdler, i've delayed the crash long enough to install it09:45
libbenshould ubuntu users install firewalls?09:45
gabaugGNAM: ok09:45
EvilIdlerStR34k: Well, like someone suggested, extract the deb and copy the file09:45
ratl3EvilIdler, at first yes09:45
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ratl3EvilIdler, i think windows was working ok on his computer09:45
StR34kEvilIdler, already done ;)09:46
Artemis3kakalto: i'm not sure...09:46
EvilIdlerratl3: Sounds like either bad RAM, bad CPU, bad ISO (check the checksum!)..09:46
ratl3EvilIdler, i've upgraded the kernel and that delayed the crash a little longer09:46
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StR34kEvilIdler, it was annoying, cause mount -a wouldn't be run at boot time.09:46
EvilIdlerratl3: I've had those symptoms with a bad ISO09:46
ratl3EvilIdler, switched the ram09:46
ratl3EvilIdler, two cds09:46
EvilIdlerStR34k: That one's fairly important, yes09:46
EvilIdlerratl3: Have you checked the checksum?09:47
ratl3EvilIdler, it wouldn't install on his computer09:47
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StR34kEvilIdler, :) yeah, I was cause I was working on a script to clean out tmp dirs at boot in Suse, and thought I was deleting that.09:47
ratl3EvilIdler, so i connected the hard drive to another computer to install09:47
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kakaltoArtemis3, with that input wiki, they tell you to install something, then say "You don't necessarily need that, by the way"09:47
Artemis3you can try other methods09:48
ratl3EvilIdler, with the super minimal settings in the bios i can at least boot into X09:48
Artemis3pick the one you like09:48
StR34kEvilIdler, oh well, it's fixed now.09:48
kakaltoI hope it isn't too dependant on gnome09:48
kakaltoconsidering I use xfce09:48
ratl3EvilIdler, then i get a lockup after about a minute of use09:48
Artemis3ah it isnt09:48
EvilIdlerratl3: Gremlins? Demonic possession? Do you have an electrcal field meter?09:48
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ratl3EvilIdler, I was thinking it was a motherboard problem09:49
ratl3EvilIdler, no, but i'm starting to think i need one09:49
Artemis3but still it could use better integration09:49
EvilIdlerStR34k: Read up on the immutable flag - it is a lazy man's backup, sorta :)09:49
kakaltoonly if it'll integrate with all the major DE's09:49
ratl3EvilIdler, everything i did to troubleshoot the problem only prolonged the crash09:49
Artemis3and gnome should have something for many languages input (non roman letters)09:49
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EvilIdlerratl3: What is the CPU, and what is the RAM speed set to?09:50
StR34kEvilIdler, cant say I have ever heard of it.09:50
IRCMonkey_did you chack distrowatch.com recently09:50
kakaltothing is, then the more lightweight desktops like xfce wouldn't have input09:50
IRCMonkey_look at ubuntu's rating09:50
yahalomcan anyone tell me if i share my desktop with a windows pc? remote desktop09:50
Artemis3lets see distrowatch09:50
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Xeon3DIRCMonkey_,  where 1st. I think everyone knows that.09:50
ratl3EvilIdler, it's a duron 700, and i don't remember what the ram is set to09:50
ratl3EvilIdler, defaults09:50
EvilIdlerStR34k: It's sort of a symlink, except when you modify the "link", the linkage breaks, and the other file lives its own life09:50
IRCMonkey_Xeon3D: yeah!09:51
IRCMonkey_people like free things09:51
siimohttp://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160080 wont make it into hoary :-(09:51
Artemis3last 6 months already?09:51
EvilIdlerratl3: Duron 700 is probably 100MHz RAM speed. If the motherboard has a jumper to switch between 100/133MHz speed, check what it is at now09:51
Artemis3that must be a huge spike09:51
StR34kEvilIdler, nice09:51
Artemis3to push the others09:52
ratl3EvilIdler, yeah, that's the ram speed... thanks for that idea09:52
EvilIdlerStR34k: chattr is the command, and at least ext2 and ext3 supports it09:52
siimoi guess ill wait for breezy09:52
ratl3EvilIdler, forgot all about jumpers09:52
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Artemis3mobos can use 133mhz in the bios it says cpu hwclk+3309:52
EvilIdlerratl3: Had a motherboard act exactly like that, and I had forgotten it was used for a modern 1.4GHz Duron before I tried it on a 750. Different RAM speeds :)09:53
Artemis3the duron is 100mhz09:53
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StR34kEvilIdler, nice, I didn't even know about that....09:53
EvilIdlerArtemis3: The old Duron is. There's a newer one, past 1.2GHz or so, that runs on a higher clock09:53
Artemis3this here is a 1.3ghz duron09:53
Artemis3and its still 100mhz, as far as i know09:54
EvilIdlerStR34k: I rate that bit of trivia very high on the obscurity scale :)09:54
Artemis3no the motherboard can use the ram at 133mhz09:54
Artemis3and the cpu at 100mhz09:54
Artemis3if you want09:54
IRCMonkey_hey guys why don't make Ubuntu Power Grid Edition09:54
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imPULSIVback again09:54
IRCMonkey_The one computer acts as server09:54
EvilIdlerArtemis3: That depends on the chipset. The last one I put together didn't act right when speeds differed ;/09:54
StR34kEvilIdler, Yeah, but it's trivia none the less, and somedays, it's fun to throw around :)09:54
Artemis3in fact this one is ddr so 200 or 26609:55
IRCMonkey_and other computers in LAN09:55
IRCMonkey_connect to server and the whole thing acts like grid09:55
Artemis3different speed memories?09:55
EvilIdlerStR34k: Hehe09:55
imPULSIVdid someone figure out how to have separate desktops under gnome without wallpapoz09:55
Artemis3because the cpu is the same, i have tried 650mhz, 800mhz...09:55
IRCMonkey_there are some distros that do this, but it would be good to have Ubuntu LAN super-grid09:55
Artemis3at least in cpu core speed09:56
Artemis3they are all 100mhz09:56
Artemis3bus speed09:56
IRCMonkey_you could have a super-computer in your house09:56
Artemis3maybe you had an athlon09:56
EvilIdlerArtemis3: Yes, like I said, chipsets matter. It's not the CPU that determines if you can have different speeds on RAM and CPU.09:56
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IRCMonkey_anyone reading this09:56
Artemis3ah that too09:56
Artemis3i seem to always use via KT09:56
EvilIdlerI have a supercomputer in my house - distcc and dvd::rip both support clustering of sorts.09:56
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StR34kEvilIdler, Well, Imma make a backup of my comp now that it's all fixed up :)09:57
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StR34kEvilIdler, Have a good one, and thanx :)09:57
EvilIdlerStR34k: Best to do so - I still need to purge packages I don't need before I freeze my system to DVD ;)09:58
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kakaltoI'll be back09:58
brentpive just got a quick question09:58
closurehow do i change my spell check file to british english??09:58
brentphow do i disable gnome for logins09:58
StR34kEvilIdler, I thought so, and I bought like 10 RW's for the cause.09:58
brentpim running it in a vmware window and its chewing a shitload of cpu09:58
EvilIdlerStR34k: Regular discs are so cheap now that I don't use RWs anymore09:59
elcuany opengl programmers here?09:59
StR34kEvilIdler, Yeah, but then I end up with discs every where.09:59
Artemis3which self destruct in 5 years10:00
imPULSIVdoes anyone here know his way around cprights on the logo of ubuntu?10:00
accuseris there any way, other than mirroring the whole of ubuntu archives, to share ubutnu packages across a network? i have 5 pcs that i would like to keep up to date, without having to download each package up to 5 times...10:00
StR34kEvilIdler, that and spindles of disks, and they get scratched and such.10:00
EvilIdlerStR34k: I stack them high. When it gets so wobbly the glass falls off, I throw them in the bin :)10:00
Artemis3microsoft wants to stole the logo10:00
StR34kEvilIdler, LOL10:00
kisielkaccuser: there's some program in Debian that does that10:00
IRCMonkey_EvilIdler: Does it work fast? :)10:00
accuserkisielk: do you know the name?10:00
imPULSIVi did some wp yesterday...10:01
EvilIdlerStR34k: Nah, I just buy folders to put my data in. No scratching happens here.10:01
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imPULSIVuploaded it and someone cmm that logo is not legit10:01
StR34kEvilIdler, meh, I should, but i Havne't.10:01
EvilIdleraccuser: Look at apt-move10:01
imPULSIVcan i showyou and you tell meyour opinion?10:01
Artemis3did you see the msn "spaces" ripoff?10:01
accuserEvilIdler: thanks - i will10:01
mR-STuPiDtis ugly10:01
StR34kEvilIdler, That would mean I have to face the stupid ppl in the stores.10:02
Artemis3:(  http://www.livejournal.com/~jiyuu0/10:02
imPULSIV@ artemis10:02
EvilIdlerStR34k: For my collection of rare, non-DVD movies, I just place them in spindles. They don't get used much, anyway.10:02
imPULSIVwait ill show my wall10:03
EvilIdlerStR34k: Am I the only one who has a clued computer store in the vicinity? :P10:03
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StR34kEvilIdler, yeah, I have a bunch of cd's in spindles, and I have the bad habit of looking through them like they were a deck of cards.10:03
EvilIdlerStR34k: Poor CDs10:03
IRCMonkey_EvilIdler: Are you running Ubuntu on LAN10:04
StR34kEvilIdler, I live in a small town, the computer stores can pretty much extort the public.10:04
EricNeonjdubare you here?10:04
jdubEricNeon: yo!10:04
EvilIdlerIRCMonkey_: Not much of a LAN until I get the other Linux computers back togetther10:04
EvilIdlerStR34k: I live in the capital, so there's great competition here10:05
IRCMonkey_StR34k: I've heard some small town community in Holland created LAN network of their computers 2300+ and created grid10:05
imPULSIVlook @ this10:05
imPULSIVand tell me if itsviolating copyright10:05
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ratl3EvilIdler, mobo doesn't have any pins to mess with10:06
EricNeoncan the mailinglist "ubuntu-zh@list.ubuntu.org " run?10:06
ratl3EvilIdler, i disabled more stuff in the bios10:06
EvilIdlerimPULSIV: The animal in question was dead when the picture was taken, so no worries.10:06
ratl3EvilIdler, i can't believe windows was working on this machine10:06
EvilIdlerratl3: No advanced memory setting of any sort?10:06
imPULSIVno i mean the logo10:06
EvilIdlerratl3: Well, slummy OSes aren't picky about their partners..10:07
StR34kEvilIdler, Yeah, I used to live in Toronto, where there was great competition, but it's actually so bad here for somethings, it's worth driving to go to a bigger city.10:07
imPULSIVbg is from my own stock and i wnted to giveit as present to the germancommunity10:07
StR34kIRCMonkey_, Thats kick ass...10:07
ratl3EvilIdler, the memory is set up correctly in the bios10:07
Artemis3hahah it needs more work, the logo gets so invisible ;)10:07
Artemis3but interesting10:07
EvilIdlerratl3: I've run out of ideas for the moment :/10:07
EricNeonjdubours mailing list can use?10:07
imPULSIVand is it violatingcprights10:08
IRCMonkey_see this guys10:08
jdubEricNeon: hey, didn't i mail you last night?10:08
IRCMonkey_first virtual city in the world10:08
Artemis3can you add a shadow or something to make the logo look cool?10:08
ratl3EvilIdler, yeah, disabled IDE1, sound, usb, acpi10:08
jdubEricNeon: whoa! i didn't10:08
IRCMonkey_I wish I live there10:08
jdubEricNeon: sorry, i did a bunch last night - i'll do yours straight away :)10:08
imPULSIVbye for now10:09
brentphow do i disable the gnome login screen and just use a text terminal?10:09
EvilIdlerratl3: Double-check that all memory fits snugly etc.10:09
EricNeondon't worry it,we have more time10:09
jdubjsgotangco: tell him i did! :)10:09
jdubEricNeon: nup, doing it right now :)10:09
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ratl3EvilIdler, i have.. i've alternated between 4 sticks10:09
EvilIdlerratl3: How about going the opposite direction - reset BIOS to default?10:09
IRCMonkey_see you guys!10:09
jsgotangcoEricNeon: he was kinda busy *grin*10:09
ratl3EvilIdler, that makes it crash on startup10:09
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EvilIdlerratl3: None of the RAM is ECC? ECC hasn't been mistakenly switched on?10:10
jsgotangcoHoary is almost within reach that's why10:10
jsgotangcoeven #ubuntu-devel is smoking right now10:10
ratl3EvilIdler, nope10:10
jdubEricNeon: hrm10:10
EvilIdlerratl3: Have you desecrated any Indian temples lately?10:10
jdubEricNeon: all of your stuff is -zh...10:10
ratl3EvilIdler, i think i cursed the pope10:11
EvilIdlerratl3: That's worth karmic brownie points, I think10:11
EricNeonhah,because I am a chinese10:11
ratl3EvilIdler, all those years of christian oppression10:11
jsgotangcochristian oppression?10:11
EricNeonbut my gnome team is gnome-cn ,not -zh...10:11
jdubEricNeon: mmm, wondering why it wasn't -cn10:11
jdubsmurfix: around?10:12
EvilIdler-zh is Mandarin, right?10:12
ratl3jsgotangco, as a kid?>10:12
jsgotangcoahh *grin*10:12
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ratl3EvilIdler, well, i'm going to check it out10:13
EvilIdlerkakalto: Hey, the symbols showed up correctly :)10:13
kakaltoit works10:13
jdubEricNeon: okay, i'm really sorry, but i'd prefer to defer this until i speak to smurfix10:13
jsgotangcoi though china was supposed to be cn10:13
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EvilIdlerkakalto: Now go wash your fingers, for I am sure you probably just insulted the non-Asian portion of the channel :P10:14
kakaltoI thought dumbass was meant to be dm10:14
EvilIdlerjsgotangco: I'm guessing cn would be Cantonese10:14
kakaltoIt says Japanese in Japanese10:14
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EricNeon-cn is always meens "The People's Republic of China"10:14
kakaltowell, sorta10:14
EvilIdlerkakalto: Yeah, but I currenly have no way of knowing that for sure :P10:14
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jsgotangcoEvilIdler: i don't think we need to have dialect-driven teams :D10:14
EricNeon-zh is meens "Chinese"10:14
Artemis3check gettext docs10:14
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ratl3EvilIdler, it hasn't crashed yet... but the only thing enabled is IDE010:15
kakaltoI don't actually know much japanese, but I'm currently learning it, so yeah10:15
EvilIdlerEricNeon: So what's the difference in the packages?10:15
jdubEvilIdler: packages are -zh because they are related strictly to language10:15
EvilIdlerkakalto: I'm picking up some verbal Cantonese and Greek. Feck knows if I'll ever learn to read any of either, though :P10:15
ratl3EvilIdler, wouldn't that rule out memory? move the problem to the chipset?10:15
EvilIdlerjdub: I'll have to read a developer's guide to i18n issues one of these months :)10:16
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EvilIdlerratl3: Sounds possible..10:16
kakaltolol, EvilIdler10:16
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archangel_hey guys, I10:16
EManIn Gnome, I cannot get ALSA or OSS working... if ESD is running, does that prevent ALSA and OSS from working?10:17
EricNeonzh is behalf all of Chinese pepole around the world,not only "The People's Republic of China10:17
kakaltohow do I change to katakana?10:17
EvilIdlerkakalto: While getting through all the Zatoichi movies, I've discovered I've picked up an awful lot of Japanese, actually. Not that I can form a sentence, or anything.10:17
archangel_have been using Hoary for awhile now and I was wondering if Ubuntu could do automatic updates like portage in gentoo?10:17
brentpEMan; im reading the faq new and theres something on there about it afaik10:17
EManbrentp, quick faq, the offical Ubuntu?10:17
Artemis3http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/html_chapter/gettext_15.html#SEC221 and http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/html_chapter/gettext_16.html#SEC222 remember you specify both10:17
brentpon their site10:18
EManok, ill check it out.. I was messing around on ALSA's site thinking it was an ALSA issue10:18
archangel_is there automatic updates for Hoary?10:18
EvilIdlerarchangel_: Well, you could just add "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" to your crontab10:18
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kakaltoArtemis3, how do I change to katakana?10:19
archangel_EvilIdler, explain crontab, I'm a newb10:19
Burgundaviaarchangel_: no, but look for a little red icon in the upper right10:19
Burgundaviaarchangel_: when it shows up, click on it10:19
EvilIdlerarchangel_: The crontab is a file related to cron, the scheduled program launcher.10:19
Artemis3it depends on the input system10:19
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Artemis3try all CAPS10:19
BurgundaviaEvilIdler: crontab is nice, gui way is better for most new users10:19
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EvilIdlerBurgundavia: Or lazy people (me). Any programs to do crontab editing in a proper GUI?10:20
archangel_I'm using xfce4 is it going to be the same?10:20
Burgundaviaarchangel_: hmm. No idea10:20
EvilIdlerarchangel_: The GUI doesn't affect the inner workings, generally, so no worries10:20
BurgundaviaEvilIdler: I have seen some10:20
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kakaltoArtemis3, not caps..10:21
archangel_whats the command line I can use for crontab?10:21
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BurgundaviaEvilIdler: http://www.gnomefiles.org/search.php?search=cron10:21
EricNeonjdub, the mailing list is @list.ubuntu.org or @list.ubuntu.com?10:21
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Artemis3which input method you used?10:21
ratl3archangel_, it usually involves throwing scripts into the /etc/cron.daily dir etc...10:21
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jdubEricNeon: it will be @lists.ubuntu.com10:22
EvilIdlerBurgundavia: That might be a neat one. Cheers.10:22
ratl3archangel_, pretty simple10:22
BurgundaviaEvilIdler: I think gnome-schedule looks to be best10:22
BurgundaviaEvilIdler: I have used none of them10:22
EricNeonI'll talk it to my team members10:22
gordonjcphttp://www.livejournal.com/~jiyuu0/ <- Microsoft Spaces logo is for *fat bastards* ?10:22
BurgundaviaEvilIdler: kcron for those of the kde bent10:22
archangel_will give it a look10:23
archangel_thanks guys10:23
EvilIdlerBurgundavia: I like the look of KDE programs..BUT I CAN'T STAND THEIR UNIMAGINATIVE NAMING SCHEME! Ahem.10:23
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EricNeonhow join into mailing list?10:23
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BurgundaviaEvilIdler: gcrontab is in the repos. Those at gnomefiles aren't10:23
BurgundaviaEvilIdler:  I agree with you on the naming stuff10:23
EvilIdlerarchangel_: There's a program called cron-apt in the repository. I'm guessing it is a script for exactly what you want10:24
Burgundaviacron-apt only run update10:24
Burgundavianot upgrade10:24
Burgundaviaread the description10:24
kakaltoArtemis3, I used the first one..10:25
Burgundaviabloody locales issue10:25
EvilIdlerAck. That makes it next to useless, but you can add the upgrade, I guess10:25
Artemis3i need to read the documentation on that one10:25
EvilIdlerUpdate and upgrade are synonyms in some languages I speak :/10:25
kakaltoI suppose I should10:25
ratl3EvilIdler, still hasn't crashed... i'm starting to think it was the IDE1 bus10:25
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EvilIdlerratl3: What sort of drive and cable is there on the ide1?10:26
archangel_I found the cron file but I'm not sure how to edit it so I will leave well enough alone.  I was kind of hoping it was like portage10:26
ratl3EvilIdler, at first it was multiple cdroms10:26
ratl3EvilIdler, and i thought it was a problem with them when trying to install it10:26
EvilIdlerratl3: I've only seen the issue on Win2k installs, but those newer types of IDE cables caused installs to crash10:26
archangel_by the by this april 8th can I do a distro upgrade to the final version or Hoary or do I have it?10:26
Burgundaviaanybody else having this bug? http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=823610:27
ratl3EvilIdler, 80 pin and 40 pin were tried10:27
EvilIdlergcrontab is perfectly usable and has an OK interface. I guess I'll keep it.10:27
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Burgundaviaarchangel_: if you dist-update after hoary is released you will have the latest10:27
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EvilIdlerratl3: I do exorcisms cheap.10:27
ratl3EvilIdler, haha10:27
Jefishey, something wrong with ubuntu, when i run some apps, it crashes10:28
archangel_Burgundavia, I have the preview version of 5.04 installed right now, will I lose any info with the upgrade?10:28
Jefissomething wrong with /tmp, how to fix it?10:28
Burgundaviaarchangel_: if you do, it is a bug10:28
BurgundaviaJefis: can you be more specific please?10:28
archangel_Burgundavia, lol doesn't say much for final version if that happens10:28
EvilIdlerHmm..it wasn't KDE fade effects that made the text fuzzy; I need to clean the monitor.10:29
JefisBurgundavia: if i run k3b10:29
Jefismy pc crashes10:29