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fsckrwhen running gutsy and compiz-fusion how much memory does it use up for you guys?  Mines 17.4MB12:59
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jussi01fsckr: you would be better off asking in #ubuntu-effects01:07
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InstabinI is there a package for google earth?01:38
jussi01Instabin: I dont think so01:40
Instabinlol I just got an update and the only 2 things in there01:42
Instabincommand-not-found and command-not-found-data01:42
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kibaI am having problem with  /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-plugin-gnash_0.8.1~trunk.070802-0ubuntu4_i386.deb01:48
soul9and what is the problem?01:50
kibait doesn't install and keep all the other packages from upgrading01:50
soul9what is the error?01:50
soul9are you using gutsy?01:50
kibaE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)01:50
kibasould9: yes01:50
kibait been like that for days01:50
kibaI am unable to upgrade my system01:51
soul9paste the whole error to01:51
soul9!paste > kiba01:51
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)01:51
kibaworking on it..01:52
soul9kiba, so you'll need to try and edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-plugin-gnash.postinst01:58
soul9but I'm not sure it'll work, as I think those are always overwritten01:59
soul9worth a try tho01:59
soul9can you paste that file to the same place01:59
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kibagot to go02:02
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Acanarshouldn't "sudo update-manager -c -d" give me the option to upgrade from Feisty to Gibbon?02:36
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muelliwhere can I actually set the number of workspaces?02:37
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AcanarWhat is the correct way to upgrade from Feisty to Gibbon? I've read about changing "feisty" to "gibbon" in /etc/apt/sources.list but i'm not sure thats the right way to do it.02:40
muelliAcanar: the update-manager should do the trick02:49
muelliupdate-manager -d -c or the like02:49
crdlbAcanar, it's "feisty fawn" and "gutsy gibbon"02:49
crdlbso if you were going to do it manually, you'd put "gutsy"02:49
Acanari'm trying it (sudo update-manager -c -d) and I get the same window as if I run update-manager with no flags. it says I don't have any updates and doesn't say anything about gutsy gibbon02:50
Acanaram I correct in assuming the update-manager method would be safer than manualy changing my sources.list?02:52
muelliwell Acanar. more or less. I think it doesn't do anything else though...02:52
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Acanardoes it mean anything that my terminal says "current dist not found in meta-release file" in my terminal? I think I'll just download tribe 4 and reinstall. This is a new install of feisty anyway02:54
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kibaif anybody can help me, please respond..03:11
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CyberSlugHello everyone! In my ubuntu gutsy, after upgrading my system a while ago (cannot exactly remember how long now - but the current package lists have not fixed it), none of my USB devices automount03:29
Jordan_Ukiba, Could you pastebin your /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-plugin-gnash.postinst03:29
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CyberSlugany ideas?03:29
Jordan_Ukiba, And have you filed a bug yet, or checked if one has already been filed?03:30
Jordan_Ukiba, Please do03:31
kibareport a bug :/03:31
Jordan_Ukiba, Check first, but yes03:32
Hobbseeoh, meh03:33
CyberSlugHas anyone else experienced my problem? There is a bug filed in launchpad, but there does not seem to be much response there, and I have not heard much from anyone else about it03:33
Hobbseekiba: can you pastebin /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-plugin-gnash.postinst ?03:33
kibaI am03:33
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)03:33
kiba!paste > kiba03:33
Jordan_Ukiba, Looks like a bug has already been filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnash/+bug/13186403:34
ubotuLaunchpad bug 131864 in gnash "gnash crash! ...gnash 0.8.1~trunk.070802-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,Confirmed] 03:34
kibaany workaround?03:36
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Hobbseekiba: fix the postinst.03:38
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kibauh how?03:41
kibaI am not familiar with the syntax03:41
Hobbseethe bash doesnt validate03:43
Hobbseesorry, dash03:43
Jordan_UHobbsee, Shame on the Ubuntu devs having a Bashism03:44
Jordan_UUnless that's completely upstream, in which case shame on upstream / Debian03:45
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HobbseeJordan_U: doesnt look like a bashism to me03:45
Hobbseebut that shell script...i dont know enough shell to fix it03:46
Jordan_UHobbsee, Oh, I havn't actually looked at it, I assumed that is what you meant03:46
Hobbseekiba: oh, read the bottom of the bug03:47
Hobbseeit's fixed now03:47
kibajust upgrade now?03:47
Hobbseeyou'll need to remove it manually03:48
kibaremoving the postinstall thingie03:48
Hobbseewhere "it' is the package,03:48
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kibadid I do something just bad right now?03:49
Hobbseeif you followed the steps told in the bug report, no03:49
Hobbseeif you just removed the postinst, and didnt follow the instructions in the bug report...yes.03:49
kibaI did03:50
kibanot so cool man!03:51
Jordan_Ukiba, Did you follow the instructions or did you remove the file?03:52
kibajust remove the file03:52
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ameyerHobbsee: well, yess is just saying that one of the two is correct...03:53
Hobbseeameyer: indeed.  which is useless.03:54
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Hobbseeparticularly if one wants more help03:54
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Hobbsee[11:52]  <kiba> just remove the file03:54
Hobbsee[11:52]  <Hobbsee> why?03:54
Hobbsee[11:53]  * Hobbsee notes that when given an "either or" question, the correct answer is NOT yes.03:54
Hobbsee[11:53]  <ameyer> Hobbsee: well, yess is just saying that one of the two is correct...03:54
Hobbsee[11:54]  <Hobbsee> ameyer: indeed.  which is useless.03:54
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ameyeryeah, it is03:55
ubotuLaunchpad bug 131864 in gnash "gnash crash! ...gnash 0.8.1~trunk.070802-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,Fix released] 03:56
Jordan_UHobbsee, Removing the file will probably work also, all the script does is run update-alternatives, the rest isn't needed if you do that manually03:56
Jordan_UHobbsee, Though he should probably put it back as per the bug report anyways03:56
HobbseeJordan_U: "if"03:56
HobbseeJordan_U: the "if you do that manually" part is the important part there03:57
HobbseeJordan_U: your'e right, whether the postinst is there or not wont matter for the next upgrade, as the new package will just add the postinst again03:57
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Jordan_Ukiba_, Re-make the file from your paste http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34135/ then follow the fix in the comments of the bug report03:59
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kiba_link to bug report04:01
ubotuLaunchpad bug 131864 in gnash "gnash crash! ...gnash 0.8.1~trunk.070802-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,Fix released] 04:02
kiba_thanks dude04:05
kiba_fixed already eh04:06
Hobbseewas fixed on teh 12th04:06
kiba_for several days...04:09
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kiba_the instruction for it is rusty04:17
kiba_then there also the issue of an unmet depedency :(04:18
Hobbseewhich one?04:22
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kiba_ /var/cache/apt/archives/libmtp6_0.2.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb04:26
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kiba_that why I shouldn't run experimental software04:27
shirishkiba_: I was going to say the same thing, good I'm not the only one way who is having issues with the upgrade04:27
shirishlibmpt6 not being able to be installed hence rythmbox is not configured properly04:27
kiba_testers make life easier for the rest of us04:28
databuddythats also why we run multiple packages that do any given task~!04:28
databuddyif rythmbox is not treating you right try quod libet04:28
databuddyif you dont like that check out listen04:28
databuddyif not that amarock might do it for you04:28
Hobbseekiba_: well, yes...04:29
databuddyand as a last resort there is always banshee :>04:29
shirishdidn't know there is/was a package called quod libet04:29
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databuddy[plus thats why i have seperate feisty and gutsy installs :>] 04:29
kiba_lunchpad is not Free software04:29
kiba_I am disappointed04:29
databuddybtw Hobbsee if ppl hollah about firefox bugs make sure they are on default theme.04:29
databuddyand i mean ubuntu default theme not firefox's04:29
shirishkiba_: A part of it had recently been made open source04:29
Jordan_Ukiba, But neither is sourceforge :)04:30
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Jordan_Ukiba, And they do plan on making it open source04:30
kiba_someday open source will lost its meaning as it become marketingspeak04:30
Hobbseekiba_: if you're not wanting breakage, you shouldnt be running gutsy yet04:31
Hobbseekiba_: besidse, i've fixed the libmtp stuff04:31
kiba_Hobbsee: breakage is part of life for experimental softwares04:31
Hobbseeshirish: uh?  which part?04:31
kiba_I want to run the latest and greatest04:31
Jordan_Ukiba, Try Archlinux :)04:31
Hobbseekiba_: indeed, which is why you need to be able to follow bug reports, and instructions on fixing things04:31
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databuddykiba: how big is your hdd? actually whats you partition setup like?04:32
Hobbseekiba_: oh, and to not say things like "there is an unmet dependancy".04:32
shirishHobbsee: hang on, it was on announcements, about a month back, if needed can google it & let you guys know04:32
Hobbseekiba_: seeing as there are 102 packages not installable due to them.04:32
Hobbseeshirish: oh, not landscape, the other one04:33
kiba_I run Debian unstable for a long time04:33
Hobbseeshirish: yeah, i remember which one you mean04:33
Jordan_Ushirish, It was CSCVS04:33
kiba_every once in a while, someone put a wench into my system04:33
kiba_it was not fun but I don't want to run old softwares04:33
shirishHobsee: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/storm-python-orm-open-sourced04:33
Hobbseeshirish: ah yes, that's the one04:34
Hobbseeshirish: and tab is your friend04:34
Jordan_Ukiba, Have you tried a distro with rolling releases?04:34
nosrednaekimlike gentoo?04:34
Jordan_UOr Archlinux <304:35
Jordan_Unosrednaekim, But yes04:35
shirishHobbsee: when did you fix the libmpt6 stuff?04:36
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Hobbseeshirish: about an hour ago?04:37
shirishHobbsee: ok, then its gonna take time to come out to the various mirrors I guess04:37
Hobbseeyeah, couple of hours04:38
Hobbseeyou can just force overwrite it, though04:38
shirishHobbsee: nah, I would wait for it04:38
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Assidanyone got any updates on how to print on gutsy?05:02
Assidcups doesnt seem to like mr05:02
shirishAssid: there is something called system-config-printer,  have you installed it? And did you update it/upgrade it, there have been some updates couple of hrs. back also.05:04
shirishAssid: while I don't have access to a printer atm, there is a spec. which I could give a re-direct you so you know what's going on05:05
Assidhrmm k.. one sec.. lemme update adept05:05
Assidlets see what it says05:05
Assidwish i checked it earlier.. now my line is only 256kbit05:05
shirishAssid: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~till-kamppeter that has all the blueprints on printing05:07
shirishAssid: he is the main developer/maintainer who does all printing stuff (I guess) at ubuntu atleast on gutsy05:07
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Assidhrmm k05:08
Assidkiba: what installation?05:08
kiba_my linux distro05:09
shirishAssid: I'm going off to do my daily business, but if you are new here, I would suggest you look at the blueprint, there would be link to the wiki where each of the idea behind it is explained in greater detail so you know how each component works with another. If you still have some issues, hang around here, somebody would guide you for sure.05:09
kiba_which managed to catch bugs from gusty update05:09
kiba_gnash problems and stuff05:09
kiba_also unmet depeendency stuff :(05:09
shirishkiba_: both are old news, there is a thread in ubuntu forums, look at development corner about gnash issues05:10
Assidshirish: why would i need the blueprints?05:10
shirishAssid: there has been some changes in how things work, I don't claim to understand or haven't tried it but do know some changes have happened.05:10
Assidone sec.. im gonna try and see if my 2mbit account is still active so i can quickly update05:11
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Assidshirish: ok.. will see what i cna get .. thanks05:11
kiba_shirish: but I don't follow news05:11
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nosrednaekimyeah... use IRC chat logs ;)05:15
Hobbseethey are more up to date, yes05:20
Hobbseemailing list posts on development lists arent bad either05:20
Hobbseegutsy-changes is also useful05:21
nosrednaekimand of course bug reports...05:23
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konamis that true that compizfusion will not be default on gutsy? I just read it this morning. I know that you guys want to get into the default-3D-desktop bandwagon but compizfusion is not ready yet. Is not our fault, is the fault of the hardware manufacturers and their close source drivers/specifications. If compiz is not ready we don't have a reason to ship it, not by default at least. If this move turn out to be wrong it will tarnish the ubuntu nam05:32
koname and just for a 'whim' like this. my 2 cents.05:32
Hobbseesee the ubuntu-devel mailing list05:36
konamHobbsee I just wanted to give my opinion, I wasn't expecting an answer05:39
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masterlokiHobbsee, how bad would it be to let libmtp6 overwrite that /etc/udev/rules.d/libmtp.rules ?05:57
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Hobbseemasterloki: not at all, i dont think06:10
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=== Topic for #ubuntu+1: The In Development Version Channel | Please *don't* run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing, etc | Ubuntu 7.10 - the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 4 released!
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ameyerhaha, <3 wikipedia truthyness...  apparently the first Ubuntu release based on Etch will have SELinux...10:48
ameyersorry, that's probably somewhat offtopic...10:48
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jscinozeq any idea where i can get the source for the uvcvideo module?11:06
jscinozti have apatch that should make it work on santarosa11:06
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Eq|laptopjscinoz: the kernel?11:20
jscinoznot the whole thing just the module11:21
jscinozanyways ill be back later gtg dinner11:21
jscinozthanks for all the help11:22
Eq|laptopyou'd need to get the kernel source11:22
Eq|laptopunless it's a 3rd party module, which is unlikely11:23
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Do``azureus freezes completely when i try adding a new torrent to it11:28
Do``has anyone seen this in gusty?11:28
pvandewyngaerdei dont use azureus11:29
pvandewyngaerdedo you get any errer messages ?11:29
pvandewyngaerdedo you see anything in log files ?11:30
Do``i dont see any error messages11:32
Do``and i dont know where to look for the log files11:32
Do``i just know that whatever way i try loading a new torrent file, it freezes permanently11:32
Do``then i restart it, and it's back to normal11:33
jscinozazures gives me some trouble on gutsy too11:37
jscinozdouble clicking a torrent to see more info about it crashes it11:37
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pvandewyngaerdei have problems with slow with slow non responsive gnome-games on kubuntu11:38
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Lappyhow can i install the restricted-modules- ?11:40
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masterlokiE: /var/cache/apt/archives/libmtp6_0.2.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/etc/udev/rules.d/libmtp.rules', which is also in package libmtp511:46
masterlokiis there a fix for this11:47
masterlokior how do I rcover libmtp411:47
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elmargolis tribe 5 delayed?11:50
Sebastianmasterloki: I used dpkg to remove libmtp5 and then the upgrade worked.11:50
pvandewyngaerdemasterloki:  i removed 5, and installed 611:50
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masterlokiis there A howto that I can follow on how to remove it11:52
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kakarutois it true that compiz is going to be implemented in gutsy?11:53
ubotuUbuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases11:56
masterlokithanks <Sebastian & <pvandewyngaerde that work out I forgot that I can remove packages from synaptic I am still new to unbuntu11:58
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nikolamDoes Ooo on gutsy doesn`t work on you as it on mine x86-64 installation?12:07
pvandewyngaerdei think you need to install openoffice.org-gnome12:08
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nikolamwill check it out. Thanks.12:08
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nikolamNope, no change Ooo still dont start12:11
pvandewyngaerdedo you get an error message ?12:11
nikolam** (process:7623): WARNING **: Unknown error forking main binary / abnormal early exit ...12:12
nikolamwhen I start oowiter from console12:13
pvandewyngaerdenikolam:  could it be this bug ? http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=8053912:16
ubotuOpenOffice.org bug 80539 in framework "bad gtk initialization causes hang on glib 2.13.x gtk 2.11.x" [Defect,Closed: worksforme] 12:16
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twosouls82what changed in the font setup (from Feisty to Gutsy)? My fonts look horrible... subpixel rendering is turned on nowadays?12:18
nikolamI duuno, I am runing fresh updated tribe3 xubuntu, Ooo dont start12:18
nikolamIt seem it is that bug and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/12794412:19
ubotuLaunchpad bug 127944 in openoffice.org "[gutsy]  Open Office applications don't start " [High,Confirmed] 12:19
nikolamOK :)12:19
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twosouls82nikolam: on the page of the bug report seems to be a solution to your problem too12:21
twosouls82+there =)12:21
nikolamOk, i am happy enough that Bug exists.12:21
nikolamThank you!12:22
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Linux_Galoreyeah OOo wont start for me either, I posted a bug update a few days ago12:55
Linux_Galoreits been that way now and started just before tribe 312:57
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Linux_Galores/way/way for a few weeks/12:57
Linux_GaloreKonqueror still crashes on flash sites too12:58
Linux_Galoreff is fine12:58
Linux_Galorewith now and again crashes that seem to be related to java/flash heavy web sites12:59
Linux_Galorektorrent crashes when you try clear a download after it is complete if you have a few downloads running01:00
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Linux_Galorehardware though seems fine accept glx wont load for me for some stupid reason so no 3D01:01
Linux_Galorethis is on stock a stock intel machine with a nvidia card01:01
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Do``those bugs you listed seem pretty common01:04
Do``my ooo wont start either01:04
Do``my opera freezese all the time with flash content (which after the freeze wont even display)01:04
Do``and azureus freezes permanently when trying to add a torrent file01:04
Do``so java and flash have serious problems01:04
Linux_GaloreI noticed though the shutdown last night was ultra fast, I though something had broken01:07
Linux_Galoreso I tried it again, yep it was that fast01:08
Linux_Galorethe startup is faster than windows XP for me (even makes OSX look a bit slow)01:09
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Linux_GaloreDo``: yeah Java/Flash is a pain01:10
Linux_Galoreadept has stopped crashing01:11
twosouls82I just read that Opera seems to have the same issue with flash as Konqueror is having01:12
Do``well opera doesnt crash per say01:12
Do``but every embedded flash object causes a 30-40 second freeze01:13
Do``and after that it's replaced by a grey box01:13
twosouls82Konqi keeps looping on something :(01:13
Linux_Galoreits not konqueror per se its the plugin manager, check "top" (or ksysguard) you will see what I mean01:14
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twosouls82wtf 6 instances of it01:15
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Happuis anyone experiensing problems with samsung DVD-RW driver on gusty?01:28
Happumine doesn't mount01:28
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Assidfirefox crrashing like crazy01:47
denndaare these bold fonts normal?01:48
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denndalarge fonts, tiny icons01:49
jscinozhey guys01:50
jscinoztrying to get my webcam working under gutsy, and i need to install a patched uvcvideo, i've installed it but if i modprobe uvcvideo i get "FATAL: Error inserting uvcvideo (/lib/modules/2.6.22-9-generic/ubuntu/media/usbvideo/uvcvideo.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter" and dmesg returns "uvcvideo: Unknown symbol v4l_compat_ioctl32" what should i do?01:51
denndaerr gdm doesn't accept TAB any longer ;)01:54
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Eq|laptopjscinoz: that didn't work for my audio :(02:02
jscinozmaybe the soundcards different02:02
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jscinozbut it worked on my santa rosa laptop02:02
denndaDoes gutsy utilize compiz fusion by default? (or is it normal compiz / beryl?)02:02
Eq|laptopthere seem to be 4-6 different chipsets used for audio on the santa rosa boards02:02
Eq|laptophave you done depmod -a since you replaced the uvcvideo module jscinoz?02:03
jscinozno letm e do one now02:03
denndaEq|laptop: Was your "yes." intended to answer my question?02:03
jscinozblast your logic02:03
Eq|laptopdennda: yes.02:04
Eq|laptopjscinoz: working?02:04
jscinozdennda, Yes, compiz fusion is the default02:04
denndaEq|laptop: thanks02:04
jscinozwell the driver installed gotta test02:04
denndaWhere's the compiz-fusion settings dialog?02:04
denndaWhat was it's package name?02:04
Eq|laptopyou have to install it..02:04
Eq|laptopdo a search for compiz02:04
jscinozgod damnit02:04
Eq|laptopif you're using gnome, you can get some basic settings from GLDesktop02:04
jscinozstill doesnt work even with patched driver02:04
Eq|laptopfar easier to use than the full settings manager02:04
Eq|laptopbut doesn't do as much02:04
Eq|laptoptypical mate02:04
Eq|laptopright, i'm going to play some guild wars.02:05
denndaEq|laptop: doesn't find any "settings manager"02:05
Eq|laptopdennda: do a search for compiz - it's there02:05
denndaah now it doeas02:05
denndasorry for the mezz02:05
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AsdHow do i get ubuntu 7.10?02:21
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HobbseeAsd: if you have to ask, you shouldnt be running it.02:22
HobbseeAsd: 7.10 doesnt exist yet02:22
AsdI have downloaded and installed ubuntu02:23
AsdI want to get the newest package02:23
rungeHobbsee, that makes me a bit hesitatnt to ask about my problem when trying to upgrade02:23
AsdIn Debian i just change it to unstable02:23
rungeI get Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/commercial/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found02:23
HobbseeAsd: it breaks.  you dont want to run it02:23
Hobbseerunge: disable that repo, it hasnt been updated for gutsy yet02:23
IdleOneAsd: 7.10 is not ready to be used02:23
AsdI just want the newest packages...02:23
rungeHobbsee, ah thanks!02:23
Hobbseerunge: no problem02:23
HobbseeAsd: and the breakage?02:23
IdleOneAsd: if youare running 7.04 you have the newest packages02:24
AsdHmm ok02:24
rungeHobbsee, being a tad filosofical, do one not need lots of alfa and beta testing to get a good product?02:24
IdleOneAsd:  7.10 will be released in 2 months wait till it is ready02:25
Jordan_Urunge, But those testers need to know what they are getting into, and be willing and able to report bugs02:25
Hobbseerunge: one does, but one also needs those people testing to file good bugs about it, and not require a huge lot of support (which will clog up other resources), and stop those users providing support, from filing bugs.02:25
rungeyeah I guess you both have good points02:26
Hobbseerunge: as in, if we have 40 bugs about the same package not installing, clearly our testing audience is dodgy, and should learn to search first.02:26
IdleOnerunge: yes but you want beta testers who understand the risk of running a "Unstable" OS02:26
Hobbseerunge: incidently, a few people had to go and mark all of those bugs as dupes, which was a waste of time.02:26
Jordan_UIs it now basically set in stone that no feature freeze exception will be made for Xorg 7.3 ?02:26
rungehopefully I will be of more good then harm. though no promises..02:27
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phoenix_is the a newer version of this driver ?02:27
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HobbseeJordan_U: no.  but most of the stuff will be in by then02:27
elkbuntuphoenix_, you'll have to explain your problem again, and try to put it all on one line this time02:27
phoenix_via vt8251 sata chipset not detected02:28
Jordan_UHobbsee, Xorg 7.3 was what I was most looking foreword to in Gutsy, it would be a shame not to ship with it02:28
HobbseeJordan_U: i would expect we do02:28
rungeJordan_U,  any big new thing in xorg 7.3?02:29
Hobbseewhen it's released02:29
phoenix_i load alternate install cd and it gets to detect the hdd .. says none found and i cant find the correct feisty driver elkbuntu02:29
phoenix_found a dapper one but diff kernel >> link above02:29
Hobbseephoenix_: would this happen to be a daily cd?02:29
phoenix_alternate feisty02:29
Jordan_UHobbsee, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xorg7.302:29
Hobbseephoenix_: then you're in the wrong channel.  #ubuntu02:30
Hobbseethis is *gutsy* only02:30
phoenix_i wanne try gutsy02:30
phoenix_but same problem02:30
Jordan_Urunge, Much less reliance on xorg.conf, support for hotplugging monitors.02:30
rungeJordan_U, ah nothing for me then02:30
Jordan_Urunge, Honestly not for me either, but multi monitor support is a deal breaker for many people02:32
HobbseeJordan_U: i think there might be some testing packages out, actually02:32
rungeJordan_U, I have both my monitor and my lcd-tv connected and working02:32
rungethough, you are right, I needed some xconfig.org editing02:32
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Jordan_UHobbsee, "2007-08-17 bryce: as discussed at the developer meeting yesterday, we're going to opt for leaving xserver 1.4 for Gutsy+1. In checking with some upstream xorg developers, they concur this is probably the wise approach given our release schedule."02:33
phoenix_Hobbsee,  wher can i find the daily cd ?02:33
phoenix_and if it allso happens to the daily cd can seek a way to have the driver added ?02:33
HobbseeJordan_U: ahhh....i havent read that yet.  i knew that they were pushing for it02:34
ubotuChannel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs02:34
Hobbseephoenix_: the daily cd is known broken02:34
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Jordan_UHobbsee, Not sure why the series goal is still listed as Gutsy though02:35
whazillaso how do i get latest gutsy ?02:35
whazillaif daily cd is broken ?02:35
Hobbseewhazilla: use tribe 402:35
Jordan_Uwhazilla, That is what tribes are for :)02:36
whazillai'll download and try tomorrow02:36
whazillaim afk02:36
whazillacatch u tomorrow02:36
whazillabytehway im phoenix02:36
Assidhey Hobbsee02:36
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nosrednaekimso we're not going to have 7.3 in this release?02:52
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rungeand there firefox crashed (during upgrade). ah the great feeling of being on the edge. Must be how pirates were sailing uncharted territories in the dark02:55
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finalbetayes... how brave you are...02:56
shirishguys can anybody found about a screen reader application called ogra02:56
shirishsupposed to be about accessibility02:56
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Hobbseeshirish: orca.02:58
Hobbseeshirish: ogra is a person02:58
shirishHobbsee: oops, its orca is it, sorry didn't mean to offend anybody02:59
shirishHobbsee: just heard about it recently02:59
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rungefinalbeta, one tries to make life at lest sound more interesting then it is. every bit helps!03:00
Jordan_UI am glad there isn't any package called ogra, it would be a PITA to search for :)03:00
yotuxIs it dangerous to use the same home partion for two different verisions of ubuntu?03:00
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Jordan_Uyotux, If one of those versions is Gutsy it could corrupt your preferences files ( or less likely your data )03:01
shirishJordan_U: lol, I have heard of more dangerous, naughty packages having names, but don't ask me to recall them now, as I'm really tired. Been attending a local unconference the whole day.03:02
yotuxJordan_U that is what I was afraid you where going to say03:02
Jordan_Uyotux, You are *probably* safe as long as you use a different user for each03:03
Assidfirefox is pretty unstable :(03:04
Jordan_UI wouldn't expect any bugs to just start randomly deleting files but there is always the possibility03:04
Jordan_UAssid, Try running it in safe mode and see if you still have stability issues03:04
AssidJordan_U: randomly closes.. cant say03:04
yotuxJordan_U: I wi;; try to get setup a small IMAP server and then the emails that I need access to are not in danger03:05
Jordan_UAssid, run "firefox -safe-mode and file a bug with any output you see when it crashes03:05
yotuxEMail is the important part to me.03:05
AssidJordan_U: ive filed a few bugs already03:05
Assidbut with the auto crash thing03:06
Jordan_UAssid, It is best to file bugs while running in safe mode, that way the developers can rule out third party plugins as causing the problem03:07
Assidits something to do with the raise event03:07
Assidone of these days.. im gonan get that mac bar dock.. and make my machine look like a mac03:09
Assidtoo bad i gotta return this geforce 6600GT card :(03:09
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Assidnosrednaekim: you did?03:09
Assidnosrednaekim: kooldock ?03:10
nosrednaekimAssid: yeah, get the package "kwin-baghira"03:10
nosrednaekimAssid: nah.. didn't do a dock yet.03:10
nosrednaekimI just use the KDE one03:10
Assiddoesnt giv that effect then03:10
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Assidlemme know when you get a nice dock03:17
Assidkooldock didnt do it for me03:17
shirishAssid: I would suggest you use #ubuntu-mozillateam , they are pretty active on firefox issues03:18
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Jordan_UAssid, AWM is nice03:20
AssidJordan_U: avant ?03:20
Jordan_UAssid, Yes03:20
Assidnot part of the respository yet.. and last time i tried to compile i had some issues03:20
Jordan_UAssid, Did you have all of the dependencies?03:21
Assidi think i did03:21
Assidhold im gonna retry03:21
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Assidcant run either03:23
Assidneither the preferances nor app03:23
Assidassid@intelbox:~$ avant-window-navigator03:23
AssidSegmentation fault (core dumped)03:23
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Assidtoo bad kde4 wont be in gutsy :(03:28
nosrednaekimit will be.03:28
nosrednaekimjust not by default03:28
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Assidhrmm backports03:29
nosrednaekimno... it'll be in the universe.03:30
Assidreally ?03:30
Assidhrmm.. nice03:30
Assidstill in beta103:32
Assidi wonder if its time to try it out..03:32
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Assidhey i can run kde3 and 4 side by side right ?03:33
nosrednaekimbut its 1, not easy... and 2, not stable03:33
shirishguys what's is the meaning of A in the context below, I know the i stands for installed03:33
shirishi A libxi-dev03:33
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shirishA is for activate or something else?03:34
Assidalrite time to hit the gym03:34
shirishHobbsee: can you tell me what's the meaning of A in the context below, I know i=installed03:37
shirishi A libxi-dev03:37
Hobbseeshirish: only that it's the letter before B03:38
Hobbseeshirish: you dont seem to have mentioned which program it's in, or anything like that.03:38
Hobbseealthough i'd hazard a guess at aptitude, in which case, i'd suggest you check aptitude's manpage03:39
shirishHobbsee: yup, it was of aptitude, and looking at the man page solved the issue.03:41
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DaveTheAveHello, I'm getting a little upset with my system. Every time I attempt to load Thunderbird, it attempts to load than never shows up. It worked yesteday, and I have done numerous restarts and updated the system.04:02
DaveTheAveAlso I have noticed that other applications like Komodo, Pidgin, etc. Are failing to load as well.04:03
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denndaDoes "Selection and Grouping of Windows" of Compiz Fusion not work in Gutsy? (works on the laptop with feisty, not on the desktop with gutsy)04:06
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denndaforget what i said04:17
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DaveTheAveI'm still looking for help04:21
nosrednaekimDaveTheAve: ehat error are you getting?04:21
DaveTheAvelet me get a pastbin04:22
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about oastebin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi04:22
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)04:22
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DaveTheAvenosrednaekim: http://pastebin.ca/66223904:26
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nosrednaekimDaveTheAve: hmmm interesting. looks like a bug.04:30
nosrednaekimsee if there is a bug report already.. or go to #thunderbird... may be a thunderbird bug04:31
DaveTheAveThank you04:34
DaveTheAve... #thunderbird isn't there04:34
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nosrednaekimhmm. go to #mozilla04:38
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nosrednaekimor maybe even #firefox and ask where the thunderbird help is04:39
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Hobbseeoh, meh, he's left04:41
Hobbseewas going to say that thunderbird, and mozilla* help is on irc.mozilla.org04:41
Hobbseethe thunderbird channel is still quiet, but does exist.04:42
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cablesI read somewhere that X.org 7.3 was delayed until gutsy+1... is this true?05:14
foxinessi dont know :) "just a response"05:14
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moogmanHi guys, I'm getting a problem.. HAL isn't starting on boot, but if I restart dbus after login, HAL restarts and all works fine. Any ideas? Could someone also ls -l /etc/rc3.d/{*hal,*dbus}05:21
moogmanI have S12hal, S12dbus, wondering if that's the problem05:21
moogmanI upgraded Feisty->Gutsy earlier FWIW.05:22
Do``i read on digg that xorg is supposed to have a gui for the testers of gusty05:23
Do``where can i find it?05:23
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bluefoxicyAnyone know what package contains gtk-window-decorator05:24
bluefoxicydpkg-query -S gtk-window-decorator ....05:24
moogmanbluefoxicy: apt-cache search gtk-window-decorator05:24
bluefoxicyah, cool05:25
bluefoxicymoogman:  it's not installed by default and desktop effects breaks without it.05:25
bluefoxicyk, it is installed05:25
bluefoxicyhowever, it doesn't supply that file.05:25
bluefoxicy /usr/lib/libdecoration.so.0.0.0 and a bunch of documentation is all it supplies.05:26
gesercompiz-gnome contains gtk-window-decorator05:26
bluefoxicyalright.  THAT'S not installed :)05:26
geserif you want compiz install also compiz05:27
bluefoxicygeser:  what normally controls the desktop effects settings?05:27
bluefoxicybecause by default it seems broken05:28
geseriirc compiz (a wrapper) checks if compiz can be run or not05:28
moogmanCould anyone help out by pasting the output of: ls -l /etc/rc3.d/{*hal,*dbus}05:28
gesermoogman: both have S1205:29
bluefoxicyhm.  Wobbly windows is gone05:29
bluefoxicyTurning on extra effects freezes my mouse cursor but the pointer still moves invisibly.05:30
geserbluefoxicy: install compizconfig-settings-manager from universe, start it and check if the plugin in enabled05:31
bluefoxicynah, i'll leave it off for now05:31
geserwith ccsm you can also finetune compiz to your liking05:31
bluefoxicyit causes screen corruption05:31
bluefoxicymouse cursor vanishes randomly, chunks of the screen move and other parts don't, pieces vanish, etc.05:31
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geserwith normal effects or extra effects?05:32
bluefoxicynormal effects.05:32
bluefoxicyExtra effects makes it worse05:32
moogmanThanks geser. I'm gonna play about with some stuff involving nuking dbus, therefore network manager. cya!05:33
geserbluefoxicy: I've no problems with normal effects (extra seems to freeze my box). What graphics card do you have?05:33
bluefoxicy00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51 PCI Express Bridge (rev a2)05:34
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finalbetaWhere where you when the lights whent out05:40
finalbetaeeek, sry, wrong channel05:40
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Jazzva|awayHas someone recently upgraded to gutsy? How stable is it at the moment? :)05:45
nosrednaekimits so so.... open office is broken kubuntu... thats about it05:46
DannilionI've not had problems the last couple of weeks that I haven't caused myself :p05:46
Jazzva|awayHmm... sounds stable enough ;)...05:48
SeveredCrossFor me, Gutsy is v. stable.05:48
SeveredCrossI've been using it since ~Tribe 2, had very small issues.05:49
SeveredCrossOff the top of my head, the only major problems I've had were apt & OpenOffice breakage (this was about the same time, dependency issues), and more recently NetworkManager stuff.05:49
Jazzva|awayMhm... Thanks for the comment. I guess I'll give it a try :).05:50
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leperkhanzHey, how do I clean up a full disk?06:43
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jussi01leperkhanz: delete stuff?06:45
dick-richardsonpowersave mode in kubuntu gutsy doesn't work properly for me. It's ramping the cpu to the max...htop shows nothing requiring it06:46
leperkhanzYeah, but like, what can I delete?  If / is full, then what directories do I need to clean up?06:48
Picileperkhanz: directories under /06:50
PiciIf you can get into xwindows, use the disk usage analyzer06:50
leperkhanzIs home under /?06:50
Picileperkhanz: everything is under /, unless you mounted a different partition for /home06:51
dick-richardsonit doesn't do it when the power is plugged in, then powersave works as anticipated06:53
jussi01dick-richardson: sounds like a bug, please file one.06:55
jussi01!bug | dick-richardson06:55
ubotudick-richardson: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots06:55
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dick-richardsonjussi01: thank you!06:59
jussi01dick-richardson: no, thank you. :)07:00
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rungeI would have to say: Good job. everything is nicer and my mp3player works now in amarok!07:19
BHSPitMonkeyrunge, what kind?07:21
rungeIt looks like some kind of indexer is active as default. I am guessing it is something like whereis/locate..07:23
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shirishguys for some reason I'm not able to hear music on my system, what could be the issue? I was able to hear stuff couple of days ago07:26
shirishis there any way to test sound?07:27
pvandewyngaerdespeaker-test ?07:27
shirishpvandewyngaerde: there is something called speaker-test?07:27
shirishOk I am running it but no sound is coming, there are a bunch of numbers rolling on the screen though, could they give any indication?07:28
leperkhanzwhat's the command line to quit compiz and switch back to metacity?07:30
nosrednaekim"metacity --replace07:31
Do``i found a workaround to azureus freezing when i load a torrent file :)07:34
Do``turn on the webui and upload it from there :)07:35
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shirishhi all, I can't get sound through my PC speakers in gutsy, while couple of days back they were doing well.07:53
shirishI did the speaker-test & there is no audible output07:54
shirishI went to windows, and there I can listen to music, so its not a hardware issue for sure.07:54
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shirishoh oh, exaile seems to be giving some traceback07:55
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Muelliis anyone successfully running vmware 6 on a 64bit gutsy?08:04
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finalbetaMuelli: there are posts on the forums about running VMWare on gutsy, check those out.08:05
Do``is there a way to do a 'sudo apt-get update' & 'sudo apt-get upgrade' in 1 line?08:05
Muelliwebforums suck.. :-\08:06
geserDo``: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade08:07
Do``hah. thanks :)08:08
finalbetaThen the answer is no Muelli  =-)08:08
Do``and how could i make an alias to that?08:08
Do``like 'update' or something?08:08
MuelliDo``: I don't know if you can pass sudo multiple commands. But a workaround would be "cat 'apt-get update&&apt-get update' > /tmp/apt; chmod a+x /tmp/apt; sudo /tmp/apt"08:08
finalbetaDo``: http://www.ss64.com/bash/alias.html08:09
burner__is the intel video playing with totem bug supposed to be fixed in gutsy?  I thought I saw something in a changelog, but it doesn't seem to work here08:10
Do``finalbeta: thanks08:10
geserDo``: alias update="sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"08:11
=== bur[n] er prefers "alias update="sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade $1" so you can run "upgrade -s"
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bur[n] ermy quotes are off, but you get the idea08:12
geseradd it to ~/.bashrc if you want to keep it08:12
Do``ye, thanks08:12
bur[n] erthen run "source ~/.bashrc" or reload your term08:12
leperkhanzanybody wanna help me figure out how I screwed up my $home/.dmrc file?08:12
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bur[n] erthat said, check permissions?08:13
leperkhanzsomething that apparantly is necessary to retain my session info.  Well, I need to know where it is.  Perhaps mine is missing?08:13
bur[n] erwhat if you "mv ~/.dmrc ~/.dmrc.bak" and then do whatever .dmrc does08:14
bur[n] ergnome-session related?08:14
leperkhanzbelieve so.08:14
bur[n] eraww, read by gdm i think08:14
bur[n] erit's a two line file for me08:14
leperkhanzIs it a directory?  Because I have "show hidden" enabled, and don't see it.08:15
leperkhanzPerhaps the directory is just missing?08:15
bur[n] erls -la |grep .dmrc  <--does this show you that you own it?  it's just a file leperkhanz08:15
leperkhanzI don't see the file, either.08:15
=== bur[n] er shrugs. leperkhanz, you use kubuntu?
leperkhanzShould I just create that file?08:16
leperkhanzNo, gnome.08:16
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leperkhanzWhat if I just create a file and give it the right permissions?08:16
bur[n] erhttp://burner.ath.cx/dmrc.txt is mine08:16
rungeso.. where is the database for gutsy bug? thought I would search for the one I have08:17
geserbur[n] er: Forbidden08:17
leperkhanzI don't have permission to access that site.08:17
bur[n] eroops, fixed permissions08:17
bur[n] errunge: launchpad.net08:17
rungethanks bur[n] er08:17
leperkhanzand that file is just .dmrc.txt?08:17
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bur[n] erleperkhanz: just .dmrc no .txt08:18
bur[n] erI just did the .txt so it would show up in my browser08:18
leperkhanzOK, thnx.  Gonna see if I can make that work.08:18
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bur[n] ersudo nano ~/.dmrc from term or alt+f2, gksudo gedit ~/.dmrc08:18
bur[n] erer... scratch that sudo ;)08:18
leperkhanzlol, i'm a gui guy, right click "Create new text document", rename, copy your txt file paste, save, permissions read and write all....08:20
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leperkhanzGoin' for the reboot, let's see if I broke it.08:20
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leperkhanzNope, still getting that error.08:26
leperkhanzmeh, Im on 2 a new project.08:26
Eq|laptopleperkhanz: what error are you getting?08:28
leperkhanz$HOME/.dmrc is being ignored, make sure permissions are correct, yada yada yada, then it boots fine, albeit I have to altF2 compiz --replace & every boot to get going.08:33
Eq|laptop/exec -out ls -l ~/.dmrc08:34
Eq|laptoprun that08:34
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leperkhanzno such file or directory?08:39
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Eq|laptopthat's.. concerning08:39
Eq|laptopseems the file isn't there.08:40
philip_gksudo "update-manager -c -d" does not work, forgot how to upgrade08:40
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kibatimmme to fix my gnash thingie so I can remove it!08:52
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rbrunhuberon my up to date gutsy machine xdpyinfo is not recognising the screen dpi's correctly. Anyone else having the problem?09:26
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soothsayerI want to enable a particular configure option. Where do I do that in the package? An older version of the package had an obvious configure rule in configure.status in debian/rules. The new version is pretty spartan (3 lines). Where do I specify the option?09:37
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leperkhanzwhat's the best software or interface in Ubuntu for uploading files to an ftp server?09:43
soothsayerSorry wrong chan (for my message above)09:43
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Skiessileperkhanz: I don't know, but gftp is one09:45
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Skiessiquiet around here..09:57
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musikgoat|workhello, anyone help with installing gutsy?  getting "failed to fetch http://archive.cononical.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/commercial/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found"10:00
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ggilbertmusikgoat|work: Canonical's commercial archive probably hasn't been set up for gutsy yet10:03
musikgoat|workhow can i take that out of the update-manager -c -d   update?10:04
Skiessiit's * archiva.canonical.com10:04
Skiessibtw, what Canonicals commercial archive?10:05
Skiessi>,< I meant archive.canonical.com10:06
musikgoat|workidk really10:06
musikgoat|worki'm just looking at how to modify the automatic update manager,  i'm not really used to it10:07
ggilbertSkiessi: Canonical maintains an archive of packaged software that isn't freely redistributable. Things like vmware10:07
nosrednaekimI think it has.. like.... vmware server10:07
ggilbertI'm not sure what exactly is in it10:07
Skiessimusikgoat|work: check your /etc/apt/sources.list and comment the line containing that url if you find one10:09
ggilbertopera, real player, sugar crm, vmware-server, desktop secure, db2exc, and arkeia10:09
musikgoat|workin my fiesty sources.list?10:09
Skiessiyou have more of them?10:10
musikgoat|workheh, no10:10
Skiessihttp://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/ this is saying they don't have the commercial stuff for gutsy yet10:11
musikgoat|workthere is no references to commercial in /etc/apt/sources/list10:11
musikgoat|worksources.list even10:12
musikgoat|workthe issue that I'm presented with is how to tell update-manager -c -d  that?10:12
musikgoat|workin the past, we just self modified sources.list, and that would work, but now with the update-manager, it seems to automate htat10:13
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Arwenjust upgraded and I don't seem to have virtual consoles when I hit ctrl+alt+f1?10:14
Skiessimusikgoat|work: maybe it's trying to upgrade your feisty commercial packages to gutsy ones by guessing, replacing the word feisty to gutsy in the sourcelist10:15
musikgoat|workSkiessi, i don't have commercial in /etc/apt/sources.list10:16
Skiessiok :P no idea10:16
Arwenany ideas? can someone else see if they still have their consoles?10:16
SkiessiI have10:17
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Arwenmy filesystems aren't being mounted on boot either :-\10:18
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shachafI've installed Gutsy, and things mostly look right, except that the fonts in GTK programs are too big. Is there an easy way to fix that? It seems that gnome-font-properties (is that what it was called?) is gone.10:19
kiba Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should10:20
kiba reinstall it before attempting a removal.10:20
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kibaI did something majoritly wrong10:21
musikgoat|workso, during the upgrade, where I get the "Third party sources are commented out"   i went into /etc/apt/sources.list   and there are still no references to commercial in any of the deb entries10:21
kibathere is no such thing as commercial methink10:22
musikgoat|worki agree, i think its a sub channel of multiverse or something, i'm going to try commenting that out10:22
ggilberthmmm? It does exist10:23
Skiessi:b I've done most of my upgrading with apt-get so I don't know so much about update-manager10:23
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philip_I can't do a gksudo "update-manager -c -d" for some reason. Anyone know why? has the command changed?10:24
ggilbertLooking at it, it's just dapper, edgy, and feisty atm10:24
musikgoat|workSkiessi, i've read that there are issues with updating through apt-get,  do you think that is not right?   I'll try going that route if neccessary10:24
databuddymusikgoat|work: it does it wierd in gutsy10:24
databuddynot everything is in the /etc/apt/sources.list10:24
databuddydo it via system > admin > software sources10:25
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musikgoat|workdatabuddy, there is no references to commercial in three10:26
kibayou can confuse percise people if you say commercial10:27
kibathey do not know if you're refering to Free software or proprietary10:27
musikgoat|worksorry kiba, but thats what the error says10:27
Skiessi" hello, anyone help with installing gutsy?  getting "failed to fetch http://archive.cononical.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/commercial/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found""10:28
kibawhere do I get a copy of mozilla-plugin-gnash.prerm10:28
musikgoat|workits not part of multiverse either, i commented that out10:29
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Eq|laptopSkiessi: the commercial archives don't exist for gutsy yet afaik10:29
SkiessiI know10:30
Eq|laptopah, mistread it10:30
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Eq|laptopthought you were saying that10:30
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kibaI broke mine when trying to be able to remove it10:30
Skiessiit's part of the gnash package10:30
musikgoat|workhe was quoting my original problem10:31
Eq|laptopkiba: install apt-file10:31
Eq|laptopthen do apt-file update; apt-file search mozilla-plugin-gnash.prerm10:31
Eq|laptopassuming you don't know the package10:31
Eq|laptoponce you know the package, download the .deb, extract it and put the .prerm file in /var/lib/dpkg/info10:31
Eq|laptophrm.. lego star wars 2, or geometry wars...10:32
kibaunable to install apt-file10:34
SkiessiI think #ubuntu should be split to few smaller channels :P It's starting to look like flooding10:34
Eq|laptopkiba: because the other package is in a remove-failure point?10:35
Skiessiwhat does "dpkg --configure -a" say?10:37
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rbrunhuberSkiessi: I have quite a good experience to grab one question and ask people to add my name to every answer.10:45
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Skiessikiba: what does "dpkg --configure -a" say?10:47
SkiessiI usually ask them only when I think it's necessary10:48
rbrunhuberSkiessi : I always do this. This trains people to do it. Otherwise they often forget it even in the case of high volume. So i miss their answers/replies.10:51
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bluefoxicyis vmware-server gone from gutsy?10:56
FunnyLookinHatHas anyone here had issues with trying to enable the broadcomm driver through the restricted managers and when you try to check the box and click "Ok" and all that crud...  then it doesn't check the box?10:57
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bluefoxicyit fails pretty hard on 64-bit too10:57
bluefoxicythat shouldn't matter anyway though because I just need firmware.10:57
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bluefoxicyit flat doesn't run here XD10:58
Skiessirbrunhuber: Yeah I could start doing that too. But I would only use characters you can find on your keyboard in your nick or at least the few first ones.10:59
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Skiessiit can be difficult for people using (for example) irssi11:01
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SkiessiI just noticed my IRC-font is kinda weird...11:04
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rbrunhuberSkiessi:  i use the first few characters and press tab then so the name gets completed. did not use irssi though11:07
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Skiessiok, switched back to Fixedsys and what looked like some kind of mathematical symbol revealed to be "r"11:08
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rbrunhuberCool I'm now "owner" of #kubuntu+111:10
nosrednaekimooo... good.11:11
nosrednaekimi'll become a "member"11:11
SkiessiI could be a "visitor"11:13
Arwenanyone here have issues with their text consoles? zz...11:14
Skiessisorry, but no :<11:14
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Arwenhit ctrl+alt+f1 and tell me if you see anything11:15
Skiessithere's still emacs running because I don't know how to quit it11:15
Arwenhuh, guess it's just me then11:15
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Skiessidoes anyone here know are the ctrl-alt-f-consoles provided by a package or a kernel thing?11:19
nosrednaekimkernel I think.11:20
Arwenkernel's broken then, no fun :-)11:20
Arwenor maybe they're just not initializing right11:21
nosrednaekimArwen: do you have an ATI?11:21
Arwennot any more11:21
nosrednaekimArwen: I had probelms with my ATI fglrx,and consoles11:21
Arwenyeah, I stopped using fglrx because I didn't feel like going through the hassle of recompiling modules and stuff, but even with the open driver I'm not getting consoles11:23
nosrednaekimArwen: recompiling.... wha? just use the stock one!11:24
Arwenscrew that11:24
Arwenwtf, my menus have a bunch of random junk under "other"11:24
Skiessime too ^^ I think it belongs to KDE but I'm not sure11:25
teethdoodok how do I update to gutsy? gksudo "update-manager -c -d" doesn't do anything11:25
Arwencut out the "gksudo" part11:25
Skiessiyou're the 3rd guy I've heard today/tonight asking about that :/11:26
SkiessiI think it doesn't work.11:26
teethdoodArwen, still doesn't do anything :(11:26
Arweneh? dunno then11:26
musikgoat|workSkiessi digg had an article saying use gksudo11:26
teethdoodso...looks like the manual way then?11:26
Skiessiso...use gksudo.11:27
teethdoodI've used gksudo/gksu11:27
musikgoat|worki'm not saying it works, i'm saying that is the reason why so many are asking?11:27
Arwennothing happens? absolutely nothing?11:27
Skiessi:O ok11:27
teethdoodsays system up-to-date11:27
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Arwen<teethdood> says system up-to-date <-- you just said nothing happened11:28
Arwendon't lie, it doesn't help11:28
teethdoodArwen, heh well up-to-date with feisty11:28
Arwenat the top of the box, is there anything about a new "version 7.10 blah blah blah out"?11:28
teethdoodArwen, nope11:29
teethdoodanyway I'm going to go gamble my new laptop away...in Las Vegas baby!!!11:29
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Arwenman, this lack of consoles is irritating. What am I gonna do if X crashes?11:30
Skiessi:/ has anyone noticed Firefox crashing a lot more today?11:31
ArwenI've got stock firefox, it always crashes :-\11:31
Arwenwhee... time to compile amarok, ffmpeg, tilem, tilp2, and vlc. Fun.11:33
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Skiessiand if you're bored enough...11:36
Skiessi"<soothsayer> Can someone confirm the following bug: libxmlrpc-c3/gutsy does not build from source"11:36
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Arwendoesn't sound too big, I'll add it to by compile queue, lol11:36
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denndaHi. Where to find Gutsy Daily Builds?12:11
denndafound it12:12
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ameyerhmm, that was a lot more work than it should have been...12:27
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ameyermultiple manual "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"s shouldn't be required for something so simple...12:28
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ameyerdon't mind me, I'm just slightly annoyed...12:35
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Arwenwell, it's not. You could just manually edit xorg.conf12:40
ameyerwell, maybe I think it should "just work"12:42
ameyeror at least work after only one dpkg-reconfigure (i.e. the defaults that are detected just work)12:42
Arweneh, I'd like more plug-n-play in x.org too, but it's not like it's Ubuntu's fault.12:43
DanaGI never use dpkg-reconfigure for xorg; it doesn't give me all the options I need.12:52
DanaGFor example, you can't customize scrolling on the touchpad, and you can't use evdev for mice.12:52
DanaGI wish dpkg for Xorg had a "leave my existing configuration alone" option.12:53
crimsunit should do that by default.  If it doesn't, file a bug against the xorg source package.12:55
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musikgoat|workhave people been having trouble installing VMware in Gutsy?01:13

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