[00:13] told you it'd hit slashdot.... [00:17] not too many negative comments... not KDE bashing either. some people saying they don;t like gutsy though... [00:22] THIS is annoying though http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry1920.html [00:22] he';s saying get rid of a third of *ubuntu users... yeah.. thats going to work well.. [00:26] well, we made it to slashdot :( [00:27] hmmmm [00:27] * Tm_T hugs Riddell [00:27] Riddell: we made what to slashdot? [00:27] the lack of LTS support in 8.04 === uga is now known as uga|away [00:30] aaa [00:30] nothing new then [00:30] nothing new or serious in my mind [00:30] (I'm not slashdot user) [00:31] neither am I... but I new this was going to make it to /. so I've been looking at the RSS feed [00:34] ye [00:34] nosrednaekim, link please? Too lazy to go look for it. [00:34] also it's misleading but meh, what did you expect, its slashdot [00:35] Ah, wait, I found it. [00:35] That was relatively painless. [00:35] * Scotty reads [00:36] oops sorry. [00:36] No worries. [00:36] It was front page. [00:36] I figured it'd be buried under new articles by now. [01:03] just like to say this out loud: first three months of year 2008 I will do my best to push KDE4/Kubuntu forward [01:03] thank you and good night [01:03] (yes yes, I need new medication) [01:38] re [01:45] what time is the january 2 meeting? [01:45] check fridge.ubuntu.com [01:46] ping Hobbsee [01:46] CheGuevara: pong [01:46] CheGuevara: it's not on the upcoming events list, hence the question [01:46] seele: 23:00 should be [01:46] heya Riddell! [01:47] hi Hobbsee! [01:47] Hobbsee: can you give back kmplayer please (again) [01:47] hey Riddell [01:47] Riddell: thanks! happy holidays [01:47] CheGuevara: heh. given back [01:47] thanks [01:48] if it FTBFS again you can poke me to death :P [01:50] * Hobbsee pokes CheGuevara with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ™ a few times [01:50] iirc, kmplayer doesn't take quite so long to build. but yes. [01:50] you're supposed to test build :P [01:51] Hobbsee: it builds locally no matter what [01:51] but fails on build machines [01:51] ah, so it is a build problem [01:51] not really [01:51] its a glib problem [01:51] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/2007-December/003747.html [01:52] it does right by failing [01:52] but why it doesn't fail on local i dont get it [01:53] local is out of date? [01:53] no [01:53] pbuilder update just right before the build [01:54] and its not only me, jpatrick also confirmed it [01:54] thats why he told you to give it back yesterday, 'cause it built fine on his local [02:00] hardy i386 Successfully built (ACCEPTED) [02:00] i win :P [02:01] no pokeys from Hobbsee :P [02:01] yay! [02:01] * Hobbsee pokes CheGuevara anyway [02:01] aww :P [02:08] hi Hobbsee [02:09] heya Tm_T! [02:44] http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry1920.html [02:44] wow [02:44] this is biggest load of bs i've read [03:18] CheGuevara: nice way to forget xfce, server, etc, too [03:23] yep [03:28] time to sleep [03:28] good night [03:32] good night brave soul :) [04:13] damn can't sleep [04:13] lol :) [04:13] don't let the article get to yah! [04:14] its the netscape article [04:14] hurts me too much that its going [04:14] lol [04:14] which one is that? [04:15] * Jucato only saw the KDE v. GNOME one [04:15] haven't you heard that netscape is no longer gonna be developed? [04:16] http://blog.netscape.com/2007/12/28/end-of-support-for-netscape-web-browsers/ [04:19] ow... :( [04:19] wait.. who still uses netscape? [04:20] I used it once [04:20] back in the 90's [04:23] I recall using it around 2000-2001 (Communicator) just because IE didn't "feel right" [04:23] yeah but its the one that started it all :P === hads_ is now known as hads [05:01] nixternal: are you gonna recompile kdebase and friends against the new kde4libs? [05:02] I will probably work on that tomorrow...are the buildd's working again? [05:02] yep [05:02] groovy [05:02] I will work on those once again tomorrow [05:02] hopefully finish everything up tomorrow [05:02] well escept for sparc and ppc :P [05:02] *except [05:03] heh, go figure [05:03] alright, cool [05:53] Bah, can't sleep. :( [05:57] aww [06:03] Hobbsee: I'm very tempted to test the alpha build and report bugs, but I'd like a little more information on the whole testing/bug reporting process before I commit. Is there a wiki article that gives a little bit of info on it? [06:03] !bugs [06:03] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots [06:03] hrm [06:04] [17:03] *** The channel topic is "Ubuntu BugSquad | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Documentation: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | If you have been triaging bugs for a while, please apply to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/ -http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad". [06:04] Scotty: not sure how much the links at ^ will help you out [06:04] Ah, those look good. [06:04] have a read, at least, then ask some questions [06:04] Thanks. [06:04] Sure, sure. [06:04] Thanks. [06:04] you're welcome [06:05] Hobbsee: On a scale of 1-10, how stable is the current build? I'm aware it's in alpha stages, but I'm curious. [06:05] well, i'm not actually running kubuntu [06:05] it's usable, now [06:05] i'm using the old mode for intel drivers, so get no video (dvd, etc) [06:05] Ah. [06:05] some of the dependancies wait a bit, so it's still not wise to blindly hit "yes" on all upgrades [06:06] * Hobbsee is using ubuntu [06:06] s/wait/break/ [06:06] dual boot, if you can [06:06] occasionally you need a perfectly working system :P [06:06] I have a dual boot at the moment with 7.10 and XP. [06:06] So I'd probably just overwrite my 7.10 install. [06:07] I'll probably go with Ubuntu, as well, if I decide to go with the alpha. [06:08] I haven't made up my mind which I like better yet. One month I'll swear by KDE and the next I have an itch to try Gnome. [06:08] I guess that's why (k)ubuntu-desktop is available :p [06:09] tripple boot, then? [06:10] I might. [06:10] install both ubuntu and kubuntu hardy - as in, install one, then install the desktop package of the other [06:10] Yeah. [06:22] Hobbsee: Mind if I query you for a moment? [06:22] Scotty: go ahead [06:22] or ask here [06:22] people won't eat you [06:23] I realize. But I have a question I'd rather ask in private. :) [06:23] go ahead :) === kitterma is now known as ScottK2 [06:44] * Scotty yawns [06:44] Goodnight, all. === santiago-php is now known as santiago-ve [08:23] good morning folks === Huahua is now known as iPfeil [09:31] heya sebastian^ [09:31] happy new year imbrandon! [09:31] heya Jucato [09:36] * jpatrick need main uploader [09:36] jpatrick: what ya need> [09:36] ? [09:37] imbrandon: merge+build fix for kmplayer: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/kmplayer/ [09:37] k [09:38] i'll do it [11:13] <_buz> what is the proper way to get kde4 on hardy? [11:14] <_buz> sudo aptitude install kdebase-workspace kdebase-kde4 kdebase-runtime gives a lot of errors [11:46] jpatrick: did you see kmplayer built fine now [11:47] CheGuevara: no, but I didn't get any FTBTS messages, so I assumed fixed [11:47] CheGuevara: great work :) [11:47] thanks :) [11:50] imbrandon: I forgot to say kmplayer needed -sa - I included the debian tarball === uga|away is now known as uga === valentin_ is now known as vlo === tmske_ is now known as tmske__ === tmske__ is now known as tmske_ [14:33] nixternal: where did you get to with kde 4 package uploads? [14:33] he had a problem with libqwt4-qt4-dev [14:34] Last time we checked === jpatrick_ is now known as jpatrick [15:05] nice to see you back Riddell [15:09] wow, information twist [15:10] so is KDE/Kubuntu really completely unsupported or just not LTS material? [15:14] mhb: the KDE 3 CD is normal 18 months [15:14] mhb: if irssi decides not to reconnect me again to this channel, gonnae someone /msg me and tell me [15:15] Riddell: okies [15:19] Riddell: do we have any contacts to PCLinuxOS or Ark Linux? Those folks all use APT (over RPM) and KDE, so they'd crave for a decent KDE package manager over APT as much as we do [15:21] it would be unwise to let all three choose a different path [15:21] * mhb out. [15:26] mhb: can't say I do [16:11] Riddell: might be worth a shot to contact them === aRyn_ is now known as aRyn [17:14] moins Riddell [17:17] hrm for somereason libsmoke isnt building [17:19] Riddell: ideas ? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11096168/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.kdebindings-kde4_3.97%2Bsvn20071220-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [19:07] imbrandon: weird, it just built fine locally [19:08] here we go again [19:08] * jpatrick hides [19:09] lol [19:11] though admitedely i just did an svn checkout [19:51] jpatrick: you're working on tork aren't you? [19:56] apachelogger: yep [19:56] ok [19:57] apachelogger: the maintainer himself has put me into his pkging ml :) [19:58] * apachelogger actually thought amarok is the only project with a pkging ml :P [19:58] though ours is super private ;-) [19:58] imbrandon: yeah your package does fail locally, but latest svn doesn't, so it must've got fixed [19:58] Riddell: working on kde4 packages right now...I have been afk due to being sick, plus the buildd's were broke [19:59] pfft, neither are excuses! [20:00] CheGuevara: thats for the conformation, i'll grab a fresh checkout [20:00] and see if that helps [20:00] given thats only 10 days, but things move fast at times :) [20:01] still workin' on kdebindings? [20:01] nixternal: i'm pretty sure i fixed the -dev issue, but i got to get it building again to make sure [20:01] nixternal: yea, i'm gonna _try_ not to touch another package till i get this one finished [20:01] the update to kdebindings is for changes made in kdelibs svn [20:01] k [20:01] is amarok 2 will be ready for the kde4.0 out ? [20:02] it really shouldent be this much of a pita as *most* of it is already in the archive [20:02] it doesn't match the changes in our kdelibs package though, but I believe it also built yesterday [20:02] Marty_Stoopid: no [20:02] Marty_Stoopid: more than likely it will be a little late [20:02] Marty_Stoopid: likely not, it will be compileable but not as useable as 1.x [20:02] Nightrose: amarok2 recognizes daapd w/o any configuration now I see, amarok2 that is [20:03] nixternal: maybe ;-) I don´t use an follow daap tbh ;-) [20:03] rofl [20:03] *and [20:03] I had a strigi cache of 31GiB!!! [20:03] omg [20:03] damn [20:03] crimsun: got time for a little advice / package question, i havent handled this situation before and need a tad bit o help ( only irc i should be able to do the $work ) [20:03] sure, what's up? [20:04] nixternal: actually, after KDE4.0 is out amarok will not compile :P [20:04] we are switiching to development with qt 4.4 [20:04] so no go until cute 4.4 is out [20:05] won't kde do that as well? [20:05] ok there are the kdebindings package like in kde3 , lots of bins one source, as it should be, i'm doing the same for kde4 , but untill now they were seperate in the archive, so now the kdebindings-kde4 package will produce like python-kde4 , how do i work the conflicts / replaces [20:05] that is the plans [20:05] if at all [20:05] CheGuevara: well after qt 4.4 is released [20:05] we develop against snapshots until then [20:05] qt-copy? [20:05] nah, qt-copy != 4.4 [20:05] imbrandon: there shouldn't be conflicts since you are installing them to usr/lib/kde4 [20:05] well not currently [20:05] dcop is not longer in use with kde4 ? [20:06] we don't want to conflict with kde3 bindings since we are keeping kde3 around [20:06] CheGuevara: qt-copy is really just the latest qt release + custom patches [20:06] wow installing windows xp on my mum's pc feels like such an emotional pain [20:06] hahahaha [20:06] katapult works kind of on kde 4 [20:06] nixternal: right, i use "conflicts / replaces" as a general thing for the debian/control source fields [20:06] sorry for the un-clarification [20:06] but we don't want to replace [20:06] CheGuevara: you means "an emotional waste of time" :) [20:06] heh [20:07] mean* [20:07] imbrandon: / nixternal: aren't they parallel-installable? [20:07] well since the binary packages are named the same i wasent thinking we would need them either but i am not 100% sure [20:07] wonder what will happen if i install kubuntu instead [20:07] lol [20:07] crimsun: yes [20:07] crimsun: basicly the source package name is changing ( all being added to one source package ) but the binary packages it produces are exactly the same [20:07] imbrandon: as long as they install to the usr/lib/kde4 it is fine with names, we don't have problems with any of the other kde4 packages and naming conflicts [20:08] what about dcop ? i think it disappear in kde4 [20:08] Marty_Stoopid: replaced by dbus I think [20:08] imbrandon: if the binary packages are the same, then just make sure you get the versioning correct [20:08] nixternal: right but before the source package "python-kde4" produced "python-kde4" binary , but now "kdebindings-kde4" produces "python-kde4" , so i wanted to make sure [20:09] and the kioslaves, will be there ? [20:09] ahhh [20:09] forgot about that [20:09] crimsun: so as long as its a higher version it should be cool without any control file magic ? [20:10] imbrandon: if there are no other changes, correct. [20:10] yup, no other changes [20:10] just combneing them [20:10] ( and new upstream versions for most ) [20:11] cool, thanks, just never had had this situation before so i wasent 100% sure [20:11] Marty_Stoopid: yep [20:11] we don't have a harsh hatred for epochs in source package versioning, so that's a possible route [20:11] ok [20:36] --->>> Nasrullah from Mauritius sends regards and wishes a Happy New Year 2008 <<<--- [20:44] apachelogger: who from where ? heheh [20:45] a user :P [21:25] interesting...got a seg fault while doing debuild and it told me to file a bug report [21:26] that was the first time I have ever seen that [21:30] wth, I can't build anything [21:31] ? [21:42] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50177 [21:42] that's what is wrong [21:42] stupid gcc update [21:43] happens on all of my machines of here [21:43] Riddell: ^^ check out that paste...I can't build any kde4 apps now...man, what a painful build week for me thus far [21:43] I can't build *anything* actually [21:44] eww? [21:44] is that ia32? [21:44] I can't even build hello world [21:44] ia32 and amd64 [21:44] but that is amd64 in the paste [21:44] afternono [21:45] I know I can build stuff; I've been compiling git snapshots of linux-2.6 over the past few days. [21:45] I'm on ia32, however. [21:45] ahh, it is amd64 only [21:45] I can build Hello World on ia32 [21:45] yeah, I was about to say... [21:46] libglib update [21:46] would be nice if you could easily rollback, like say conary :p [21:47] sure [21:48] granted I use aptitude to do that [21:48] anyhoo [21:48] ya, but aptitude doesn't roll back as nicely [21:48] I presume you're using gcc-4.2 4.2.2-4ubuntu3? [21:48] at least it hasn't for me in the past [21:48] whatever came through the update pipes just recently [21:48] ah, here comes the stl [21:48] aptitude is much more painstaking, yes. [21:49] still, I think dpkg and apt are still superior when compared to conary [21:49] conary is slow as hell when doing an update...when it grabs everything initially and does all of the checking [21:49] but once it is past that part, the download/updates go fast [21:50] ok, glib update fixed it [21:50] whew, that was scary for a sec [21:50] whats wrong with the glib upate? [21:50] weird thing though, I had no problem building kdebindings-kde4 yesterday with it [21:51] it was failing to compile [21:51] nothing's wrong with the glib update AFAICT. [21:51] it looks like it is working now though after the update on amd64 [21:51] all seems to be back to normal [21:51] bah, silly Rich and his trigger-happy Vista reactions. ;-) [21:51] oh good, i was about to run away, since i pushed that update lol [21:52] KDE 4 users...do not run kmail with kdesudo otherwise you will be in for a world of hurt [21:52] and an update about strigi in kde4...it sucks big time [21:52] man the only way to watch footbal is to tivio it and then watch it [21:52] heh [21:52] GO BEARS! [21:52] yuriy: nice one, I didn't catch that. [21:52] it sucks that they took until the last 2 games to play like a team [21:52] crimsun: huh? [21:52] we can add STL to the Vista moniker for Rich, yay [21:52] * jjesse watching last nights patriots game [21:53] odd that bringing in Orton changed the entire atmosphere of the team [21:53] brb [21:53] I love STL [21:53] crimsun: i wasn't referring to anything in the conversation, i was grumbling about adept [21:53] bah [21:53] yuriy: an offhand remark about Rich's blog and Boost. [21:53] hehe [21:53] Boost FTW [21:53] yuriy: I know you weren't. I snatched it. [21:53] haha [21:54] nixternal: well if you love it, decipher please: /home/yuriy/adept/adept-qt4/adept/adept/statefilter.h:75: error: no matching function for call to ‘std::vector, std::allocator >, std::allocator, std::allocator& [21:55] er that's not all of it.. damn irssi [21:55] hahah [21:56] raits, std::allocator& [21:56] huuh [21:56] well anyway [21:56] there are 4 consecutive triangular brackets in there [21:57] wow i'm amazed at how much traffic my blog is now getting since i added it to planet.ubntu.com [21:57] hehe === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger === wolfger_ is now known as wolfger [23:39] nixternal: gcc go boom, nasty [23:39] imbrandon: did you fix libsmoke? [23:42] hey Riddell [23:44] hola CheGuevara [23:46] hows your holiday? [23:46] hmm the kubuntu meeting date isn't in UWN === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | Next meeting: 2nd January 23:00 [23:48] nixternal: could you add the meeting to fridge [23:48] CheGuevara: awfae fun, just went to the Nicht Afore Monster Ceilidh [23:49] Riddell: whats that? [23:50] Riddell: gcc is back up...when is the meeting? [23:50] nixternal: 2nd January 23:00 [23:50] groovy [23:50] CheGuevara: it's a large outdoor ceilidh on the night before [23:51] oh right [23:52] meeting submitted