[02:49] <rburton> afternoon all
[02:50] <Keybuk> evening
[02:50] <jdub> welcome :)
[02:50] <rburton> not entirely related to warty, but if grub-install takes 5 minutes to install, is this a sign that i should just retry the install :)
[02:50] <seb128> no
[02:50] <seb128> rburton here 
[02:50] <seb128> nooooo
[02:50] <seb128> :)
[02:50] <rburton> ross was taken  looonnnng ago
[02:51] <Kamion> sounds like it's trying to access the floppy maybe?
[02:51] <seb128> welcome rburton 
[02:51] <Kamion> can you poke about on tty2 to find out what it's doing?
[02:51] <rburton> "probing bios devices this may take a long time" for 8 minutes now
[02:51] <rburton> grub --batch --no-floppy --device-map=/boot/gr[terminal ends] 
[02:51] <rburton> called by grub-install --no-floppy (hd0)
[02:52] <Kamion> ugh, sounds like a grub expert is required
[02:52] <Kamion> (do we have one here? :-))
[02:52] <jdub> lifeless is a bit of a grub
[02:53] <lifeless> ?
[02:53] <lifeless> wassup
[02:53] <lifeless> grub-install should be about 2 seconds lok.
[02:54] <lifeless> can cat /boot/grub/device.map
[02:57] <rburton> (hd0) /dev/hda
[02:57] <rburton> this is in d-i still, so /target/boot/ of course
[03:00] <lifeless> well, that looks about right.
[03:00] <lifeless> anything in dmesg ?
[03:00] <Kamion> (tty4)
[03:01] <rburton> tty4 just says info: grub things
[03:01] <rburton> dmesg  has ntfs/reiserfs warnings about the device not being what it expects
[03:02] <rburton> aaaah
[03:02] <jdub> edd will turn up here soon too, btw
[03:02] <rburton> i ran grub-install myself in strace and it appears to be looping on a cp
[03:02] <seb128> jdub: should we rename this chan #gnome-hackers ? :)
[03:02] <jdub> heh
[03:03] <rburton> it stat64's cp,  clones and then gets sigchld
[03:03] <rburton> right, waitpid(-1) is blocking
[03:04] <rburton> i'm surprised strace is on this iso
[03:04] <Kamion> it'll just be a .deb, not a .udeb
[03:04] <Kamion> strace is in our base system
[03:04] <rburton> yeah, i just realised that
[03:04] <Kamion> you might be able to unpack and use it though ...
[03:04] <Kamion> udpkg -i might even be able to manage it
[03:05] <rburton> rebooting to try again :)
[03:09] <rburton> interesting
[03:10] <rburton> grub-install worked with / being ext3, failed when it was xfs
[03:11] <rburton> i thought d-i installed the relevant kernel for your machine. i have a p4 and its installed the 386 kernel
[03:13] <rburton> holy crap a lot of stuff gets installed by default :)
[03:13] <rburton> YOU ARE INSTALLING VIM ON A BOX OF MINE
[03:13] <rburton> ;)
[03:13] <Kamion> yes, grub needs to be updated to do special things with xfs
[03:13] <jdub> rburton: more like osx than debian ;)
[03:14] <rburton> as long as i can prune it again without some meta-package getting in the way i'm okay
[03:14] <jdub> yeah, you can
[03:14] <Kamion> should be fine, we don't generally use metapackages for installation
[03:14] <Keybuk> is just a task that gets installed, isn't it?
[03:14] <rburton> i wonder why i pressed http instead of cdrom... 
[03:14] <rburton> curses
[03:14] <Kamion> aptitude -y install '~tdesktop
[03:14] <Kamion> '
[03:17] <jdub> rburton: we have a selection of python modules available for great justice (and python development)
[03:17] <Keybuk> and because Python gives Mark a woody
[03:17] <lifeless> out two main weapons...
[03:18] <jdub> Keybuk: i'm not sure if we're meant to talk about that publically yet.
[03:18] <Keybuk> jdub: and I thought we were a "pants off" kind of company ... :p
[03:18] <jdub> heh
[03:19] <Kamion> Keybuk: I thought it gave him a warty
[03:19] <Keybuk> *groans*  warty where you thinking of, that's terrible
[03:19] <rburton> the X keyboard layout debconf thing should give gb as an example for england as i can never remember what the code is
[03:20] <Kamion> ya, I think that went into a recent upload somewhere, but I don't remember whether it was unstable or warty
[03:20] <Keybuk> rburton: that's going to die MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!*cough*splutter*
[03:20] <rburton> really.
[03:21] <rburton> is OO.o on the CD?
[03:21] <rburton> awww diveintopython is on
[03:23] <jdub> we removed sound-juicer because it lacks quality control
[03:23] <jdub> ;-)
[03:23] <rburton> haha
[03:23] <rburton> i've been sent a patch to make it use the g-m profiles
[03:23] <rburton> must review that at some point
[03:23] <jdub> rad
[03:24] <rburton> xpdf?
[03:24] <jdub> gpdf still has type3 font support issues
[03:24] <rburton> yay, millions of parse errors from scrollkeeper
[03:24] <rburton> jdub, 2.8 is fixing them iirc
[03:24] <jdub> not type3
[03:24] <jdub> it fixed OOo and locale stuff
[03:25] <rburton> ah balls
[03:25] <jdub> not sure type3 will make it
[03:25] <jdub> if it does, we'll switch though
[03:25] <seb128> no search feature neither
[03:25] <jdub> oh yeah, and seb wants search ;)
[03:28] <rburton> hm, postfix
[03:28] <rburton> hm
[03:29] <rburton> yay X mis-detected by vga card
[03:30] <rburton> shouldn't X by default read fonts from the deforma paths?
[03:33] <Kamion> rburton: OOo should be there and installed by default, yes
[03:33] <Kamion> the scrollkeeper bugs are being fixed but not quite there yet ...
[03:34] <rburton> gar, X isn't starting
[03:34] <rburton> nv supports the geforce4mx, right?
[03:34] <rburton> i'm getting garbage :(
[03:35] <rburton> may i request nvidia modules for the default kernel?
[03:36] <jdub> we're going to have some proprietary drivers, nvidia is on the list
[03:43] <rburton> arsing arse arse
[03:43] <rburton> has anyone got nvidia drivers for 2.6.7 to hand? :/
[03:47] <rburton> from a $CORP perspective, nullmailer is very useful for desktops
[03:47] <Kamion> is it in universe?
[03:47] <rburton> dunno yet, i'm still battling X
[03:48] <Kamion> nullmailer | 1.00RC7-21 | warty/universe | amd64, i386, powerpc, source
[03:49] <rburton> ah i'll add that in a bit then
[03:49] <Kamion> oops, debootstrapping onto a nodev-mounted partition doesn't work very well
[03:52] <rburton> cursed X
[03:54] <rburton> huzzah
[03:55] <rburton> am i going mad or is nis not part of the base package set?
[03:56] <Kamion> it's not; it seems to be only in universe
[03:56] <Kamion> we might want to reconsider that
[03:56] <rburton> i'd say so
[03:57] <Kamion> it's not in blacklist.security or anything, so it might be just an oversight
[03:58] <rburton> whats the sources line for universe?
[03:58] <Kamion> deb http://ftp.no-name-yet.com/no-name-yet warty universe
[03:59] <rburton> ah of course
[03:59] <Kamion> (very untested; if it breaks you get to keep both pieces)
[03:59] <Kamion> I'd suggest pinning to get only individual packages from there
[04:00] <rburton> bug!
[04:00] <rburton> hostname is "sadok" but /etc/hosts still says debian
[04:01] <Kamion> hm, did you tell d-i that hostname in the first stage?
[04:01] <rburton> yeah, pretty sure
[04:02] <Kamion>         if (verify_hostname(client->value) != 0)
[04:02] <Kamion>         {
[04:02] <Kamion>           debconf_subst(client, "netcfg/invalid_hostname",
[04:02] <Kamion>               "hostname", client->value);
[04:02] <Kamion>           debconf_input(client, "high", "netcfg/invalid_hostname");
[04:02] <Kamion>           debconf_go(client);
[04:02] <Kamion>           debconf_set(client, template, "debian");
[04:02] <Kamion>         }
[04:02] <Kamion> I wonder if verify_hostname failed on whatever you set for some reason
[04:02] <Kamion> I think that template should perhaps be asked at priority critical, not high
[04:03] <Kamion> ah, did you enter a FQDN at the hostname prompt?
[04:03] <rburton> er, no
[04:03] <rburton> just sadok iirc
[04:03] <Kamion> hm
[04:04] <Kamion> hm, it allows . anyway
[04:07] <rburton> "nfs warning: mount older than kernel"
[04:07] <rburton> not seen that before
[04:16] <rburton> hm, X suffers from the stick alt key bug for me
[04:27] <rburton> b
[04:53] <rburton> seb128, you might want to know that thinice in warty is buggy compared to that in sid
[04:53] <seb128> what's the problem ?
[04:53] <rburton> no arrows :(
[04:53] <rburton> i.e. sort direction in evo mailer
[04:55] <seb128> sort direction ?
[04:56] <seb128> all looks fine with it here
[04:59] <rburton> no, really bust here
[04:59] <rburton> works with the default engine, not with thinice
[05:15] <seb128> :))
[05:16] <Keybuk> :p
[05:17] <seb128> rburton: and apparently GNOME is suddently almost perfect (out of the thinice problem), nobody report bugs :-P
[05:18] <rburton> well of course ;)
[05:19] <rburton> apart from ephy using gestures by default and crashing that is
[05:19] <Keybuk> that's so when it crashes you can use appropriate gestures
[05:23] <seb128> rburton: I don't get your question, where do you want to paste ?
[05:23] <seb128> middle clicking in a text entry make a paste here
[05:23] <rburton> paste in the window
[05:24] <rburton> looks like the ephy schemas were not installed, none of them are registered in gconf-editor
[05:24] <seb128> weird
[05:24] <rburton> yeah
[05:24] <seb128> could you check the /var/lib/dpkg/info/epiphany.postinst ?
[05:25] <seb128> this version should have the sighup change
[05:25] <rburton> no gconf code at all
[05:26] <rburton> should i file a bug? :)
[05:26] <seb128> oh right
[05:26] <seb128> no, that's fine
[05:26] <seb128> I'll look on it now
[05:26] <seb128> when I say than nobody report bugs ...
[05:26] <seb128> thanks rburton  :)
[05:26] <rburton> ...its as everyone just pokes you instead
[05:27] <seb128> no, almost nobody pokes me neither
[05:27] <rburton> well i've given you two bugs so far :)
[05:27] <seb128> yeah :)
[05:27] <rburton> third -- the clear recent documents icon in the panel is *fowl*
[05:28] <rburton> and the panel doesn't like against eds which is very sad
[05:28] <seb128> like/link ?
[05:28] <rburton> ha, yes
[05:31] <Kamion> fowl -> foul too :-)
[05:32] <rburton> oh god yes
[05:32] <rburton> what is up with my typing today :)
[05:44] <rburton> is there a bug tracker i can file bugs in?
[05:45] <seb128> yes, we have a bugzilla, hold on
[05:45] <rburton> i presume all bugs related to desktop integration are welcome?
[05:46] <seb128> all bugs are welcome
[05:47] <seb128> https://bugzilla.no-name-yet.com/
[05:49] <rburton> ta
[05:50] <rburton> seb128: can i file the panel not linking to eds? :)
[05:51] <seb128> already fixed
[05:51] <rburton> cool
[05:51] <seb128> it's building
[05:51] <rburton> sticky alt key?
[05:51] <seb128> should be available until an hour
[05:51] <seb128> what about the alt key ?
[05:52] <rburton> when i alt-tab to a workspace, the switching popup doesn't go when i let go of alt
[05:52] <rburton> is there a component for bugs which don't fit into a package?
[05:52] <rburton> i.e. "nis should be in main"
[05:52] <seb128> good question
[05:54] <seb128> rburton: are you using alt ? or the windows key ?
[05:54] <rburton> windows
[05:54] <seb128> ok, so that's it
[05:54] <rburton> (my mistake, i didn't mean alt)
[05:54] <rburton> known?
[05:54] <seb128> yes
[05:54] <seb128> Overfiend has tagged it + help IIRC
[05:54] <rburton> eww
[05:55] <rburton> works in sid btw
[05:55] <seb128> weird
[05:55] <rburton> (on another machine, but the same config)
[05:55] <rburton> no component for gnome-themes btw
[05:56] <seb128> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=256706
[05:56] <Keybuk> doesn't work in sid for me :-(
[05:57] <seb128> rburton: wait for the gnome-themes, component will be added
[05:58] <rburton> righto, time to go. seeya'll tomorrow