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| mjg59 | ROCK | 12:58 |
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| jdub | COCKFOSTERS | 12:59 |
| daniels | This train is for | 12:59 |
| mjg59 | This train is for the GIANT ICONS | 01:01 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu: SSDS | https://chinstrap.warthogs.hbd.com/~fabbione/warty-rcbugs/ <- now with an index.html | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu): set by fabbione at Tue Jun 22 14:57:00 2004 | ||
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| === Topic for #ubuntu: SSDS | https://chinstrap.warthogs.hbd.com/~fabbione/warty-rcbugs/ <- now with an index.html | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu): set by fabbione at Tue Jun 22 14:57:00 2004 | ||
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| rburton | oh i see | 10:48 |
| rburton | all this time everyone in gnome slags my theme off | 10:48 |
| rburton | and now ubuntu uses the same colours | 10:48 |
| seb128 | :) | 10:48 |
| seb128 | ok | 10:48 |
| seb128 | oups | 10:49 |
| seb128 | morning rburton :) | 10:49 |
| rburton | morning | 10:49 |
| seb128 | what's up ? | 10:49 |
| rburton | work | 10:49 |
| rburton | :( | 10:50 |
| rburton | hald crashed again, yay | 10:50 |
| seb128 | I'll drop the hal support in gnome-vfs today | 10:56 |
| seb128 | nautilus is broken in browser mode here | 10:56 |
| seb128 | could you test on your box if you have the same problem ? | 10:56 |
| seb128 | nautilus --browser and just test if it hangs | 10:56 |
| rburton | yeah. dead | 10:56 |
| seb128 | ok | 10:57 |
| seb128 | I'm bothering teuf about this :) | 10:57 |
| rburton | seb128: are there any changes to desktop-file-utils you've got hidden away? | 11:09 |
| rburton | i've merged your patches and am about to upload to sid | 11:09 |
| seb128 | no | 11:09 |
| seb128 | You've added the update-desktop | 11:10 |
| seb128 | update-desktop-database | 11:10 |
| rburton | postinst? | 11:10 |
| rburton | yeah | 11:10 |
| seb128 | in the postinst | 11:10 |
| seb128 | ok, so that's fine | 11:10 |
| rburton | isn't marillat fun? :) | 11:12 |
| jdub | yo rburton | 11:15 |
| jdub | rburton: enjoying ubuntu? | 11:15 |
| rburton | aye | 11:15 |
| rburton | apart from super being sticky and no xemacs anyway | 11:16 |
| rburton | but i'll fix the former and get used to the latter | 11:16 |
| rburton | ephy is forcing me to sort out my bookmarks too | 11:16 |
| rburton | arse, the lisp detection mojo in desktop-file-utils is crap | 11:18 |
| rburton | i've created a no/ directory in the top level | 11:18 |
| jdub | xemac should be in universe ;) | 11:20 |
| rburton | i was trying to at least try emacs | 11:20 |
| seb128 | rburton, somebody should really kick that guy *hard* | 11:20 |
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| === edd 's train already running 30m late | ||
| jdub | heh, d'oh | 11:23 |
| jdub | we're in the uk! | 11:23 |
| edd | yeah. cellphone coverage pretty patchy here too | 11:25 |
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| Keybuk | not too long then | 11:31 |
| Keybuk | check if my house is on fire on the way through -- it's by the trainline on the way out | 11:32 |
| rburton | it would be really cool if ubuntu boot knew that /usr wasn't mounted over nfs and started nis before nfs | 11:32 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, we need depends in init scripts :p | 11:32 |
| Keybuk | what about pre-depends? :p | 11:33 |
| seb128 | don't forget to add a Conflicts to force the update :) | 11:34 |
| Keybuk | edd: oh, random point ... we're listed as FieldWave Ltd here | 11:50 |
| edd | Keybuk: Thanks. That's actually rather useful to know :) | 11:53 |
| edd | conductor pronounces us 40m late now | 12:11 |
| Keybuk | heh | 12:12 |
| Keybuk | where abouts are you? | 12:12 |
| edd | standing still between cov and leamington | 12:12 |
| Keybuk | erk | 12:12 |
| edd | it is not a place i'd choose to stop in | 12:13 |
| jdub | pants off | 12:16 |
| jdub | edd: on yer bike! | 12:17 |
| Keybuk | bad combination ... saddle rash | 12:17 |
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| rburton | would begging for the gtk+ emacs get anywhere? | 12:39 |
| Keybuk | gtk+ emacs works ... it lacks pango cuteness though | 12:44 |
| rburton | matching the gtk+ colours would be nice for now | 12:45 |
| === rburton still isn't sure about emacs | ||
| Keybuk | font sizes are all off :( | 12:48 |
| Keybuk | so it takes up more room than emacs-in-gnome-terminal | 12:48 |
| Keybuk | and is thus pointless | 12:48 |
| rburton | xemacs does stuff like actually use the right mouse button for context menus | 12:53 |
| rburton | which is nice if you happen to have a hand on the mouse | 12:53 |
| seb128 | stop talking about xemacs dude, we have emacs :) | 12:54 |
| fabbione | stop talking about *macs .. we have vim | 12:59 |
| rburton | ewwww | 01:00 |
| rburton | emacs is officially crap, it is refusing to open a makefile with a lisp error | 01:02 |
| seb128 | rburton, I've added a build-dep on libxt-dev in warty for zenity | 01:15 |
| rburton | seb128: arse. xt-dev? i added libx11-dev | 01:16 |
| seb128 | that's why I'm saying it | 01:16 |
| rburton | maybe i should setup my pbuilder | 01:16 |
| seb128 | sorry, I've forgotten to give you the fix for this one | 01:16 |
| === seb128 is pondering doing an upload of gnome-vfs2 without the hal support now | ||
| seb128 | or maybe I should wait for the new release :) | 01:18 |
| rburton | now now now | 01:20 |
| === jdub spanks ross | ||
| === rburton groans in pleasure | ||
| rburton | seb128: so just libxt-dev or libxt and libx11? | 01:24 |
| seb128 | libxt-dev | 01:24 |
| rburton | ta | 01:25 |
| rburton | ah it deps on libx11-dev | 01:25 |
| seb128 | oh yeah | 01:26 |
| seb128 | I've a fucking bug with my panels at home and here | 01:26 |
| seb128 | dynamic changes doesn't work sometime | 01:26 |
| seb128 | ie: if I change the width or add a panel | 01:26 |
| seb128 | I need to killall gnome-panel to get the changes | 01:27 |
| seb128 | the gconfs key are updated but no graphical changes | 01:27 |
| rburton | i've seen that with the typing monitor | 01:27 |
| rburton | seb128: for future note, the xmodmap line in that X sticky-super fixes the problem for me | 01:44 |
| seb128 | ok | 01:48 |
| rburton | erm, emacs won't save a file it just opened | 03:01 |
| rburton | "Lisp nesting exceeds max-lisp-eval-depth" | 03:02 |
| rburton | bah | 03:05 |
| rburton | xemacs isn't installable in universe | 03:05 |
| rburton | (depends on libtiff3g still) | 03:05 |
| seb128 | rburton, we have planned to speak about menu organisation during the 2 weeks | 03:27 |
| rburton | excellent | 03:27 |
| seb128 | so if you have some idea please let me know | 03:27 |
| rburton | ok | 03:28 |
| rburton | maybe a system configuration menu under actions would be nice | 03:30 |
| seb128 | configuration is not really an action | 03:32 |
| rburton | but its not an application either really | 03:32 |
| rburton | a system top-level a la XD2? | 03:32 |
| rburton | Applications | System | Actions | 03:32 |
| seb128 | I don't like the idea to get a new menu | 03:32 |
| seb128 | and System is not used enough to be in the panel | 03:33 |
| seb128 | I mean you don't change your configuration every 5 minutes | 03:33 |
| rburton | right just looked at a XD2 box | 03:33 |
| rburton | they have Applications | System | Help | 03:33 |
| seb128 | and where are the configuration tools ? | 03:33 |
| rburton | system has personal settings, system prefs>, then actions as usual | 03:33 |
| seb128 | hum | 03:34 |
| seb128 | that's an option | 03:34 |
| rburton | would a screenshot help? | 03:34 |
| seb128 | yes please, still good to have | 03:35 |
| seb128 | jdub, around ? | 03:35 |
| rburton | www.burtonini.com/computing/screenshots/xd2-system-menu.png | 03:39 |
| rburton | oooh ubuntu is the first g2 desktop i've used in which the logout fade isn't jerky | 03:40 |
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| Oskuro | yet another channel... | 03:42 |
| Oskuro | hi guys | 03:42 |
| seb128 | hey Oskuro | 03:42 |
| seb128 | good place to speak about menus in warty with ross and jdub I think | 03:43 |
| seb128 | but jdub seems to not be around right now | 03:43 |
| Oskuro | nod | 03:44 |
| rburton | in warty? and sid :) | 03:45 |
| rburton | and sarge :) | 03:45 |
| seb128 | harder to get a result in sarge | 03:45 |
| seb128 | first they have the crapy Debian menu | 03:46 |
| Oskuro | I doubt anything is happening with Sarge's menus at this point. :) | 03:46 |
| rburton | you're not determined enough | 03:46 |
| Oskuro | ross is too optimistic. :) | 03:47 |
| rburton | woot aquired gigabit to my desktop | 03:48 |
| seb128 | sarge will stay in the middle of the schemas move with a crappy menu | 03:48 |
| seb128 | we can't hardly do anything | 03:48 |
| seb128 | can even | 03:48 |
| rburton | i count 17 packages on my box with /etc/gconf in postinst | 03:50 |
| rburton | one of which is mine, fixing | 03:50 |
| seb128 | there is around 60 packagse | 03:50 |
| seb128 | IIRC | 03:50 |
| seb128 | I've runned an apt-file search with some sed, sort, uniq, wc magic | 03:51 |
| seb128 | and it was around 60 in unstable | 03:51 |
| rburton | i guess build-depends (>= 4.2.13) is the best way of forcing the right dh_gconf | 03:53 |
| seb128 | Oskuro, ? | 03:53 |
| seb128 | rburton, I need we don't need to force it | 03:54 |
| seb128 | it builds fine with previous one as long as you have dh_gconf | 03:54 |
| seb128 | ok, schemas are not in /usr but that's not really a problem | 03:54 |
| rburton | i'm worried about an autobuilder using an old debhelper | 03:55 |
| seb128 | the schema will be in /etc | 03:55 |
| seb128 | no big deal | 03:55 |
| rburton | in that case i'll leave of the upload to save the buildd's time | 03:56 |
| rburton | regexxer is gtkmm, thus takes time, and doesn't have a postinst to break | 03:57 |
| seb128 | ok | 04:01 |
| jdub | yeah, menus will come up in desktop vision discussion tomorrow | 04:08 |
| seb128 | jdub, what's going on about desktop files ? | 04:08 |
| seb128 | not sure to understand the mails on the list | 04:08 |
| rburton | gar | 04:13 |
| rburton | s-j is state D | 04:13 |
| seb128 | jdub, around ? | 04:27 |
| seb128 | Jeeeeeeeeeeeffffffffffff | 04:30 |
| mjg59 | I'm building a kernel with all the latest nifty ACPI crack if anyone fancies testing it | 04:35 |
| mjg59 | High quality rocking video resumption code that might even work | 04:35 |
| seb128 | question for the sounders | 04:37 |
| seb128 | did you get a mail or something like that ? | 04:37 |
| seb128 | rburton, ? | 04:44 |
| Oskuro | the minimal thing we want to test for is a debhelper with dh_gconf, which was 4.1.lownumber iirc. | 05:01 |
| Oskuro | But if we're bumping versions, we might as well go for /usr/share-happy dh_gconf, which is what I've been doing lately. | 05:02 |
| rburton | seb128: was away, you said ? | 05:02 |
| seb128 | did you get a mail about ubuntu/sounder/whatever ? | 05:03 |
| seb128 | teuf is on the sounder list and he didn't get anything | 05:03 |
| Oskuro | if the sounder list is what you sign up to at n-n-y.com, I didn't get a thing either. | 05:03 |
| seb128 | no | 05:04 |
| Oskuro | I've never got a mail from n-n-y. | 05:04 |
| seb128 | that's a list of people interessed by testing the distro | 05:04 |
| Oskuro | hmm | 05:04 |
| Oskuro | I think Carlos added me to that list too. | 05:04 |
| rburton | seb128: nope | 05:04 |
| seb128 | ok | 05:04 |
| Oskuro | If not, I should have been. | 05:04 |
| seb128 | so I guess it's ok if I invite teuf here ? | 05:04 |
| seb128 | jduuuuub | 05:04 |
| rburton | i've never heard of sounder until now | 05:05 |
| seb128 | how have you found the chan ? and how do you get the login/pass for the archive ? | 05:05 |
| seb128 | jdub directly ? | 05:05 |
| rburton | i was invited here, and what archive? | 05:06 |
| seb128 | I was thinking you get a standard mail about this or something like that | 05:06 |
| rburton | jdub told me to come here | 05:06 |
| seb128 | rburton, the warty repository | 05:06 |
| seb128 | ok | 05:06 |
| seb128 | thanks | 05:06 |
| rburton | for the iso? jdub gave me a url which wasn't protected | 05:07 |
| seb128 | oh yes, we have removed the login part | 05:07 |
| seb128 | I hate gaim | 05:07 |
| rburton | but i've never received a mail about ubuntu/warty/sounder/etc | 05:07 |
| seb128 | you enter "/j #chan" and it displays "/j: command not supported" | 05:08 |
| seb128 | that's crap | 05:08 |
| seb128 | rburton, ok, fine. Thanks | 05:08 |
| seb128 | GRRR, same with //j | 05:08 |
| seb128 | damned, fucking soft | 05:09 |
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| seb128 | welcome teuf | 05:09 |
| rburton | afternoon teuf | 05:09 |
| Oskuro | hi ye | 05:09 |
| Oskuro | damn | 05:09 |
| Oskuro | teuf: | 05:09 |
| rburton | oh fun a new X | 05:10 |
| rburton | what is new? fixed sticky super? :) | 05:10 |
| teuf | hi everyone | 05:10 |
| seb128 | I don't think so | 05:10 |
| seb128 | rburton, nice to get packages update every 30min instead once a day, isn't it :) | 05:11 |
| rburton | yeah ;) | 05:11 |
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| rburton | seb128: you'll be glad to know i've fixed my missing arrows in thinice bug | 05:30 |
| rburton | user error, i had libthinice in ~/.gtk-2.0/engines/ | 05:30 |
| seb128 | Oh, I've still understood the problem | 05:30 |
| rburton | so much crack left in ~ from rh9 | 05:30 |
| seb128 | oh ok | 05:30 |
| seb128 | that's why I didn't get it | 05:31 |
| rburton | but i wish i knew why hald and sound-juicer hung all the time | 05:31 |
| seb128 | second user error after the gdm problem :) | 05:31 |
| rburton | sssh | 05:31 |
| rburton | hald and sj are both D again, dammit | 05:31 |
| seb128 | rburton, I've uploaded the gnome-vfs without hal support should be available rsn | 05:32 |
| rburton | i'm doing daily reboots atm | 05:32 |
| teuf | rburton: nautilus and rhythmbox tends to hang quite a lot on my home system when I use a hal enabled gnome-vfs | 05:32 |
| rburton | hopefully its hald which is causing sj to lock | 05:32 |
| seb128 | teuf, when hald is fucked nautilus just hangs | 05:32 |
| rburton | what, the HIG isn't in main? | 05:33 |
| rburton | this is an outrage! | 05:33 |
| seb128 | the HIG is in debian ? | 05:34 |
| rburton | yeah | 05:34 |
| rburton | doc-gnome-hig | 05:34 |
| seb128 | perhaps we could support it :) | 05:34 |
| rburton | i package all the great docs in debian, diveintopython, doc-gnome-hig, the png book | 05:34 |
| rburton | :) | 05:34 |
| rburton | i appear to have a packaging addiction. anything more than 2k i package first | 05:34 |
| seb128 | it would be nice if you could make your gnome packaging policy rocks more with an update :) | 05:36 |
| rburton | ross@hactar ~/Programming/debian/pkg-gnome/tools | 05:36 |
| rburton | $ svn status | 05:36 |
| rburton | ? gnome-pkg-tools/gnome-policy.xml | 05:36 |
| rburton | i'm working on it | 05:36 |
| seb128 | cool | 05:36 |
| rburton | hopefully shortly i'll have deleted enough of the clearly wrong stuff to commit it and let everyone argue about it again | 05:37 |
| seb128 | ok, nice | 05:38 |
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