[05:53] <jdub> hi savs
[05:53] <savs> hi there
[05:53] <jdub> just got the email? :)
[05:53] <savs> yup ;)
[05:54] <jdub> you're the first to hit the channel ;)
[05:54] <savs> just cancelled the downloads of gentoo and sarge i was doing. you caught me on a distro day ;)
[05:54] <jdub> how timely :)
[05:54] <savs> (got novell's suse sampler a couple of days ago, been playing with that all weekend)
[05:56] <savs> hmm, need a faster connection ;)
[06:05] <savs> jdub: it's not clear from your emails etc. whether it's ok to talk in public about this?
[06:07] <daf> jdub: that looks like another candidate for the FAQ
[06:08] <jdub> yeah
[06:28] <jdub> savs: we'd kinda like to keep it quiet ;)
[06:28] <jdub> i've updated the FAQ page on the wiki
[06:33] <savs> jdub: no problem, i'll keep quiet except for bugging thom ;-)
[06:33] <jdub> that's what we do ;)
[06:33] <savs> heh
[06:34] <jdub> but you've got this channel, the wiki, the mailing list, bug tracker, etc., etc.
[07:14] <thom> AHR!
[07:15] <Keybuk> Ahoy! me 'earties! ya savvie?
[08:01] <savs> hi thom
[08:28] <mjg59> jdub: Can you sort me out a wiki account?
[09:40] <Keybuk> mjg59: you just click UserPreferences and create one ...
[09:45] <thom> heyhi
[09:51] <savs> hey
[09:51] <jdub> yo whiprush 
[09:51] <savs> so - what sort of feedback do you guys want on the prerelease?
[09:52] <jdub> stuff you think is missing, stuff not working, etc. :-)
[09:52] <savs> k
[09:54] <thom> how much jdub sucks
[09:55] <savs> heh. and what a pita thom is? ;)
[09:55] <jdub> indeed :)
[09:57] <thom> and how silly jdub's beard is
[09:58] <savs> eh, so it doesn't support wireless networks properly ... no way to specify SSID and WEP key ?
[09:58] <mjg59> Keybuk: I can't access the wiki at all - it throws http auth at me
[09:58] <Keybuk> oh
[09:58] <Keybuk> sounders, oink
[09:58] <mjg59> Ah, got it
[10:11] <whiprush> jdub: hello
[10:11] <whiprush> just finishing up my first install 
[10:11] <jdub> cool - pleased?
[10:12] <whiprush> yeah so far. 
[10:12] <whiprush> still upgrading packages
[10:14] <dieman> hey all.
[10:15] <Keybuk> hey Scott
[10:15] <jdub> nice domain ;)
[10:16] <whiprush> so you guys want installation reports on the list or anything?
[10:17] <jdub> yes please
[10:17] <whiprush> k
[10:17] <jdub> though we have made some changes that are not yet built on cd
[10:18] <jdub> (you might want to rsync against the latest daily to try it)
[10:18] <whiprush> k
[10:18] <dieman> I'll probally not touch it until monday, is my guess -- might as well get paid to look at it ;)
[10:19] <dieman> but its excellent timing, i was about to start getting sarge stablized for deployment at work, this gives me something else to look at and figure out what to go with.
[10:19] <jdub> cool
[10:19] <Kamion> hey dieman, good to see you
[10:19] <dieman> Kamion: nice to see you too.
[10:20] <whiprush> hmmm, is an rsync source in sources.list possible or should I just sync by hand?
[10:21] <dieman> wow, tracking gnome 2.8
[10:21] <dieman> that might be good enough reason.
[10:22] <whiprush> cool, user account in the audio group by default. finally!
[10:24] <dieman> heh, we've been using a horribly insecure pam module to deal with permissions issues
[10:24] <dieman> afair, linux 2.6 has the feature to make that module secure
[10:24] <dieman> but i haven't looked into it
[10:25] <jdub> mmm, mdz was talking about that a couple of days ago
[10:25] <jdub> we might take advantage of that at some stage
[10:25] <whiprush> is this utopia out of the box?
[10:26] <jdub> it's largely utopia compliant, yeah :)
[10:26] <whiprush> ok
[10:26] <Kamion> apt does support rsync I believe, although I'm not sure it's really very useful over just using http
[10:26] <whiprush> it passes the "mount my usb key without configuring anything" test. way cool.
[10:26] <Kamion> where sources.list is concerned, that is
[10:26] <Kamion> obviously it rocks for cd images
[10:27] <dieman> hmm
[10:28] <dieman> im going to have to compare our packages list to the seeds.
[10:28] <dieman> and figure out whats left over
[10:28] <jdub> dieman: ooh, please post to the mailing list when you do
[10:28] <dieman> i can just about gaurantee its smaller than the list of stuff im maintaining as backports locally.
[10:28] <dieman> jdub: sure
[10:30] <jdub> dieman: just working out how we can make an easy to use list of all our supported packages for you to compare against -> easier than comparing with the seeds ;)
[10:30] <dieman> heh, i'm going to have to put another shout-out about nis. :)
[10:30] <dieman> i dont mind having to support nis locally, though
[10:31] <dieman> its a fairly self-standing package.
[10:32] <dieman>  discover1 # joey_h says we absolutely need this, hotplug isn't enough <-- woo!
[10:33] <dieman> i'll have to see after I install it how the hotplug/discover interactions work too :)
[10:33] <daf> Kamion: I don't believe APT does support rsync
[10:33] <jdub> dieman: we basically disable discover
[10:33] <dieman> jdub: ahh, ok
[10:33] <dieman> i'll have to do some looking into hotplug then.
[10:35] <dieman> well, cool, this is a ton of information to pour over.
[10:36] <Kamion> daf: I think I was thinking of ssh
[10:36] <Kamion> dieman: there's a pkg-diff tool ...
[10:37] <Kamion> (in germinate source)
[10:37] <Kamion> (which you probably don't have access to, hmm)
[10:44] <daf> there was some noise about it some time ago, I believe, but nothing came of it
[11:17] <whiprush> ok, I posted my installation report to the list.