| mdz | npmccallum: how is usplash going? | 12:08 |
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| Kamion | ... and it's even documented in the isolinux help screens ... | 12:11 |
| mdz | npmccallum,thom: the usplash changes need to get into warty today if they're going to release with Warty | 12:15 |
| mdz | this is a major change to the boot process and needs a lot of testing | 12:15 |
| Kamion | ideally they'd get into Sounder 7 | 12:31 |
| Kamion | if I'm assured that they'll be in Warty by tomorrow then I can postpone Sounder 7 until then, but I'd rather not push it any later | 12:32 |
| mdz | Kamion: what time were you planning to roll Sounder 7? | 12:39 |
| Kamion | if I'm doing it tonight it needs to be roughly now in order for me not to be still working on it when my girlfriend gets here; if tomorrow, whenever really | 12:43 |
| Kamion | hm, this business of removing /cdrom etc. from /etc/fstab is going to suck for users who don't use our default magic | 12:48 |
| Kamion | I do 'mount /cdrom' all the time | 12:48 |
| Kamion | oh well | 12:48 |
| Kamion | FYI I'm not making that change right now because I think some of prebaseconfig/base-config relies on the existing code and I don't want to muck about with it right before a Sounder | 12:48 |
| mjg59 | Is there going to be another test release before the weekend? | 12:59 |
| mdz | Kamion: you're free to statoverride /bin/mount and edit fstab | 12:59 |
| mdz | I'm personally quite happy to have it automounted by g-v-m | 01:00 |
| mdz | Kamion: if you need to start now, then do it. it's more important to get sounder 7 out than to have usplash | 01:01 |
| mdz | I'm uncomfortable enough about intrusive changes to the boot process this close to release | 01:01 |
| Kamion | mjg59: you mean including Sounder 7 or not? | 01:06 |
| mjg59 | Including that - I have no real idea how long it takes you to actually get something on the server once it's done :) | 01:07 |
| Kamion | oh, I build on a box in our LAN, it takes all of ten seconds or so to get it to the mirror once I throw the switch | 01:08 |
| Kamion | thom: hey, sulogin worked | 01:08 |
| === Kamion tries setting a root password | ||
| Keybuk | Kamion: watch out, it probably makes all your files writable or something | 01:09 |
| Kamion | if thom wants to exploit all newly-installed Ubuntu systems, it's his paycheque ;-) | 01:09 |
| Kamion | excellent, DTRT with a set root password too | 01:12 |
| Kamion | mjg59: righto, hopefully tonight but I have no idea how late | 01:12 |
| Keybuk | http://en.wiktionary.org/ | 01:12 |
| Keybuk | ^ Oooh | 01:12 |
| Kamion | I seem to be seeing ACPI errors from GNOME on startup with the current daily | 01:13 |
| Kamion | "Can't access ACPI events in /var/run/acpid.socket! Make sure the ACPI subsystem is working and the acpid daemon is running.@ | 01:14 |
| Kamion | " | 01:14 |
| Oskuro | Kamion: acpid not running? | 01:16 |
| Kamion | it appears to be | 01:16 |
| Kamion | although /var/run/acpid.socket doesn't exist | 01:16 |
| Oskuro | weird. I guess the box isn't using apm, right? | 01:17 |
| Kamion | we don't have APM in warty kernels AFAIK | 01:17 |
| Kamion | I do have /proc/acpi | 01:17 |
| Oskuro | nod | 01:17 |
| mdz | Kamion: that's a known bug in thom's acpid upload | 01:18 |
| mdz | it starts, and then its socket is removed | 01:18 |
| mdz | Kamion: please do file a bug to remind him | 01:18 |
| Kamion | isn't that kind of a showstopper for a test release? :-) | 01:18 |
| Kamion | totally rad laptop support and all | 01:19 |
| Oskuro | heh, I vote for that | 01:19 |
| mdz | Kamion: if you have time to do it, reverting ubuntu4 is fine with me | 01:21 |
| Kamion | that'll be 1:33 at the earliest before I can start the build - I think this is going to have to wait until tomorrow, sorry | 01:38 |
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| fabbione | morning guys | 07:20 |
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| mdz | morning | 08:45 |
| fabbione | hey mdz! | 08:45 |
| fabbione | what's up? | 08:46 |
| mdz | sleep soon | 08:47 |
| fabbione | still walking on walls? | 08:48 |
| fabbione | ;) | 08:48 |
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| rburton | morning seb128 | 10:34 |
| seb128 | hello rburton | 10:34 |
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| seb128 | rburton: have you tried the nautilus sendto extension ? | 10:37 |
| rburton | no | 10:39 |
| rburton | i looked at the code | 10:39 |
| rburton | its crap | 10:39 |
| rburton | well, not really crap | 10:39 |
| Gman | 'less than ideal' | 10:40 |
| rburton | good phrase | 10:40 |
| === rburton thinks Gman has worked at sun too long | ||
| seb128 | lol | 10:40 |
| Gman | heh | 10:41 |
| Gman | oh gnome debian dudes | 10:41 |
| Gman | i'm getting no nice icons on my desktop | 10:41 |
| Gman | that's a known bug, right? | 10:41 |
| === Gman remembers seeing it on pia's laptop when she was visiting nz | ||
| seb128 | define "nice" | 10:42 |
| rburton | you running nautilus? ;) | 10:42 |
| Gman | well, doesn't seem to be picking up the icon theme | 10:42 |
| Gman | just blank page icons | 10:42 |
| seb128 | ps ax | grep settings | 10:42 |
| === Gman checks | ||
| === Gman boots up laptop | ||
| Gman | hrm, gnome-settings-daemon seems to be running alright | 10:45 |
| Gman | most of the icons in the menu seem to be picked up | 10:45 |
| Gman | just not the nautilus desktop icons | 10:45 |
| Gman | and recent documents menu | 10:45 |
| seb128 | which theme ? | 10:47 |
| Gman | ahh | 10:48 |
| === Gman was using some weird assed hybrid of industrial and mist | ||
| Gman | thanks seb128 | 10:48 |
| seb128 | np | 10:48 |
| Gman | didn't think about that | 10:48 |
| Gman | duh | 10:48 |
| rburton | xemacs21 is uninstallable from universe atm | 10:54 |
| rburton | xemacs21-basesupport isn't available | 10:55 |
| seb128 | bah, xemacs | 10:56 |
| rburton | yay i can watch the kde streams with totem | 11:00 |
| rburton | well, it appears that 200kb/s isn't enough for streaming | 11:01 |
| rburton | hm, no, its the video which sucks | 11:01 |
| seb128 | yes | 11:02 |
| seb128 | the video sucks | 11:02 |
| rburton | bit jerky | 11:02 |
| rburton | theora needs optimisation love | 11:02 |
| rburton | the camera is slowly dropping, which is quite amusing | 11:02 |
| Mithrandir | *grumble*, isn't rhythmbox supposed to use esd? | 11:35 |
| seb128 | rhythmbox use whatever you have as audiosink in gst | 11:35 |
| seb128 | esd, oss, alsa | 11:35 |
| seb128 | gconftool-2 -g /system/gstreamer/0.8/default/audiosink | 11:36 |
| Mithrandir | hm, ossink. | 11:37 |
| seb128 | you can change it by esdsink | 11:38 |
| Mithrandir | seems like rhytmbox doesn't accept dragging and dropping files from nautilus.. well, I'll use totem, then. | 11:48 |
| thom | Kamion: just reverted acpid | 11:50 |
| seb128 | you can right click on the file in nautilus | 11:50 |
| seb128 | and add to the playlist | 11:51 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: nope, doesn't work. | 11:51 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: not over sftp. | 11:51 |
| seb128 | oh, ok | 11:51 |
| Mithrandir | that really sucks.. why should I have to copy all my media to ~ ? | 11:51 |
| seb128 | ? | 11:52 |
| Mithrandir | I have about 100G of music.. I really don't want to copy that to my workstation. | 11:52 |
| seb128 | it doesn't work with a sftp dir ? | 11:53 |
| Mithrandir | right-clicking on a directory in nautilus does not show the "add to music library" if the directory is accessed through sftp, no. | 11:54 |
| seb128 | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140355 | 11:55 |
| seb128 | perhaps you can try the .application change to add the sftp method | 11:56 |
| seb128 | not sure if you will get the crash reported after or not ... | 11:56 |
| Mithrandir | it doesn't report that rhytmbox can't open sftp, though | 11:59 |
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| sabdfl | Kamion: what's the rsync url for the latest warty daily nowadays? | 01:01 |
| Mithrandir | rsync -av --partial --progress ftp.no-name-yet.com::cdimage/daily/current/warty-i386-1.iso warty-i386-1.iso is what I use | 01:06 |
| sabdfl | thanks mithrandir | 01:09 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: use nfs, sucky though it is? | 01:15 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: nfs over untrusted network? I'm not completely on crack. | 01:16 |
| Kamion | oh, I thought you were local | 01:16 |
| Mithrandir | fairly local, but university network. | 01:16 |
| Kamion | ah | 01:16 |
| Mithrandir | so it's all untrusted. | 01:16 |
| Kamion | sftp is not exactly designed for streaming though | 01:17 |
| Mithrandir | well, it's a 100Mbit untrusted network, so I wouldn't really care. ;) | 01:17 |
| Kamion | thom: thanks, attempting another sounder 7 build now | 01:17 |
| sabdfl | kamion: will that latest build show up in cdimage/dail/current ? | 01:33 |
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| Kamion | sabdfl: yes | 01:51 |
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| seb128 | lol | 03:18 |
| seb128 | rburton: your "patches" blog entry is funny :) | 03:18 |
| Kamion | hm, trashapplet seems to totally crash and burn for me | 03:21 |
| Kamion | but anyway, Sounder 7 looks at least plausible; I'll pull the switch once I get back from the optician's | 03:22 |
| seb128 | Kamion: trashapplet doesn't work at all for you ? | 03:23 |
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| rburton | aes: your blog entry was a little confusing | 03:52 |
| rburton | i'd say 90% of packages are in universe, so no extra repositories would be needed | 03:53 |
| rburton | no need for pinning etc | 03:53 |
| aes | rburton: that probably means I'm confused | 03:53 |
| rburton | probably, yes | 03:54 |
| rburton | :) | 03:54 |
| aes | You're saying "deb http://ftp.no-name-yet.com/no-name-yet warty main" is wrong, I suppose? | 03:54 |
| rburton | add "deb http://ftp.no-name-yet.com/no-name-yet/ warty universe" | 03:54 |
| aes | aha! | 03:54 |
| aes | Thanks :) | 03:54 |
| rburton | np | 03:54 |
| rburton | i only discovered it when i moaned about the lack of xemacs :) | 03:54 |
| thom | rburton: that's a feature | 03:54 |
| rburton | xemacs being broken? | 03:55 |
| rburton | i'm sure it is | 03:56 |
| mjg59 | has the scary artwork gone in yet? | 03:56 |
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| lamont | rburton: xemacs21 should be there soon | 03:56 |
| aes | mjg59: there is some scary artwork | 03:56 |
| rburton | lamont: its all in apart from xemacs21-basesupport | 03:56 |
| mjg59 | aes: Does the scary artwork involve people? | 03:56 |
| aes | mjg59: not as far as I've seen | 03:56 |
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| lamont | yeah - I fixed xemacs21 last night, will look at the rest of the xemacs-suite | 03:57 |
| aes | ok, so ubuntu rocks even more than I thought :) | 03:57 |
| mjg59 | Ah, so not the really scary artwork yet | 03:57 |
| aes | mjg59: apparently not | 03:57 |
| rburton | jdub: contact-lookup-applet 0.8 is now in experimental, for when you wake up | 03:58 |
| rburton | urgh | 03:59 |
| daniels | mjg59: \o/ UBUNTU | 04:01 |
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| lamont | rburton: we can't build xemacs21-packages (source for xemacs21-basesupport) because xemacs21-basesupport isn't built. sigh. | 04:06 |
| lamont | I'll break the circle sometime today or so | 04:07 |
| lamont | I think the scary artwork was planning to arrive once they'd posed the actual models, rather than the stock footage they used in the mockups... | 04:18 |
| fabbione | hey guys | 04:19 |
| fabbione | lamont: any news from the X buildd front? | 04:19 |
| rburton | ok, talk of scary artwork is worrying me | 04:20 |
| Oskuro | rburton: you're going to love it :) | 04:22 |
| rburton | oooh let me see | 04:22 |
| rburton | pleeeease | 04:23 |
| Oskuro | I don't have it :) | 04:23 |
| fabbione | noone does | 04:24 |
| lamont | fabbione: -6ubuntu7 is installed on all 3 | 04:24 |
| fabbione | lamont: good.. i was more thinking about the mime stuff :-) | 04:24 |
| lamont | rburton: it was more the people that were scary - the actual models aren't so scary | 04:24 |
| lamont | fabbione: thought about it afterwards - I need to rewrite some perl code into python to fix it, that'll happen sometime soon, but today isn't very likely | 04:25 |
| fabbione | ok. i am planning an upload for tomorrow | 04:25 |
| fabbione | just that you know | 04:25 |
| lamont | ok. | 04:26 |
| lamont | it has been observed recently that i386 and powerpc buildds apparently manage to upload (at least most of the time), while amd64 has not been observed to succeed without help | 04:27 |
| thom | it's also been observed that some people have been playing too much Mao | 04:28 |
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| lamont | thom: well, yes. But then, I'd have to actually do research to explain the rules definitively... Not entirely sure which buildd's have hacked around the problem and which have not... | 04:45 |
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| Kamion | anyone got anything special they'd like people to test in Sounder 7? | 04:48 |
| thom | logging in as root to single user? ;-) | 04:49 |
| thom | and, of course, TRLS | 04:49 |
| Kamion | oh, I meant to mention the root thing and forgot, thanks | 04:50 |
| Kamion | TRLS? | 04:50 |
| thom | totally rad... | 04:51 |
| Kamion | heh, ok | 04:51 |
| rburton | LS? | 04:54 |
| Kamion | laptop support | 04:55 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu:Kamion] : SSDS | http://wiki.no-name-yet.com/ un: sounders, pw: oink | Sounder CD 7 released | ||
| rburton | ah | 05:01 |
| rburton | so, no root password and initial user is sudo | 05:10 |
| Kamion | yup | 05:11 |
| rburton | can this be skipped? | 05:11 |
| Kamion | what do you mean? | 05:11 |
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| rburton | i've forgotten what d-i actually does here -- can i trivially not setup an initial user and set a root password? | 05:11 |
| Kamion | no, you'd have to fix it up after the install | 05:11 |
| rburton | alrighty. can i file a bug? :) | 05:12 |
| Kamion | 'sudo passwd root', 'sudo deluser rburton' or whatever | 05:12 |
| Kamion | sure - sounds like an expert mode thing | 05:12 |
| rburton | i'm planning on ubuntu for our work desktops you see, and i am *so* not putting people in sudoers ;) | 05:12 |
| Kamion | sounds like an excellent reason; we need to collect data on the cases where people don't want this kind of setup | 05:13 |
| Kamion | making it the default for a CD release is a good way to get that data :-) | 05:13 |
| mjg59 | thom: What does "Totally Rad Laptop Support" actually involve? | 05:30 |
| edd | working acpi, i gotta hope :) | 05:31 |
| mjg59 | Haha | 05:31 |
| mjg59 | edd: Are you still planning on doing an article on acpi at some point? | 05:31 |
| edd | mjg59: yes | 05:32 |
| mjg59 | Cool | 05:32 |
| thom | mjg59: currently, laptop mode, some acpi stuff that doesn't send machines to sleep permanently, etc | 05:36 |
| mjg59 | Cool | 05:36 |
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| sabdf1 | kamion: is the copy-on-install magic to boot with "linux anna/choose_module=archive-copier" ? | 05:42 |
| Kamion | choose_modules rather than choose_module | 05:43 |
| Kamion | but yes | 05:43 |
| sabdf1 | ok | 05:43 |
| sabdf1 | thanks, testing it now | 05:44 |
| Kamion | you can also boot in expert mode and select archive-copier from the extra bonus udeb list when that appears, then change debconf priority back to critical; but I figured this would be easier than that dance | 05:44 |
| sabdf1 | also testing install-on-pcmcia-wifi network :-) | 05:44 |
| Kamion | you should see the name archive-copier flick past when it's retrieving installer components from the CD | 05:45 |
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| sabdf1 | kamion: archive-copier looks great | 05:53 |
| sabdf1 | any attempt to find an optimal sequence? | 05:53 |
| Kamion | doing mkisofs -sort on the CDs has got up to the top three entries on my stack | 05:54 |
| Kamion | it's probably quite suboptimal atm | 05:54 |
| Kamion | three entries> not including having lunch ... hm, let's go and do that now, 5pm is time enough for lunch right? :) | 05:56 |
| sabdf1 | you're running on new york time. excellent :-) | 05:57 |
| mjg59 | Do you have Centrino drivers in the main install? | 06:04 |
| sabdf1 | kamion: used the archive-copier, but it's still checking for the CD after the reboot | 06:12 |
| thom | mjg59: ipw2{1,2}00 you mean? we will do | 06:14 |
| mjg59 | But don't yet? | 06:14 |
| thom | sabdf1: that's known about | 06:14 |
| thom | mjg59: yeah | 06:14 |
| Kamion | sabdf1: yep, as mentioned in the announcement base-config integration isn't complete | 06:15 |
| dieman | *yawn* | 06:33 |
| seb128 | Kamion: could you add ~/Documents and ~/.Trash to the default skel ? | 06:35 |
| Kamion | I was in the middle of an install so that I could test whether creating ~/.Trash did the right thing ... | 06:36 |
| Kamion | can't some GNOME package just drop them into /etc/skel? | 06:36 |
| Kamion | hm, I guess they need to be there before the initial user is created though, which is before any of Desktop gets installed | 06:36 |
| seb128 | yes ... | 06:37 |
| seb128 | ~/.Trash is created by nautilus | 06:37 |
| Kamion | the thought of having non-dotfiles in /etc/skel just turns me right off :( | 06:37 |
| seb128 | I'll do the same for the applet, so perhaps no need to add it to the skell | 06:37 |
| Kamion | I think that would be better | 06:37 |
| seb128 | but ~/Documents would be nice | 06:38 |
| Kamion | it feels to me that that should only happen for people who log in at a desktop | 06:38 |
| Kamion | remote users have no need for it | 06:38 |
| seb128 | we want to make ~/Documents the standard place for all the apps | 06:38 |
| seb128 | hum, wondering where is the right place to create it | 06:39 |
| Kamion | surely just all desktop apps? | 06:39 |
| seb128 | yes | 06:39 |
| Kamion | right | 06:39 |
| Kamion | so it's a desktop thing :) | 06:39 |
| seb128 | ok :) | 06:39 |
| Kamion | that X -noswitchvt bug is ugly | 06:39 |
| fabbione | Kamion: yeah | 06:40 |
| fabbione | and daniels won't be able to work on it until next monday | 06:40 |
| fabbione | is there any package already using it? | 06:40 |
| Kamion | I assumed that was why I get crap all over my screen before gdm gets round to starting ...? | 06:41 |
| fabbione | hmmmm | 06:41 |
| fabbione | no i don't think so | 06:41 |
| fabbione | try to stop gdm | 06:41 |
| fabbione | and just startx | 06:41 |
| fabbione | kill X | 06:41 |
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| fabbione | startx -novtswitch | 06:41 |
| lalo | is there a root password in the livecd? | 06:42 |
| fabbione | and you should be able to see the difference.. if there is any | 06:42 |
| fabbione | anyway | 06:42 |
| fabbione | i am off for today | 06:42 |
| Kamion | lalo: to be honest I think Alex is really the only person who knows much about how the live CD works right now | 06:46 |
| Kamion | 'Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" perimadeia tty1' | 06:46 |
| Kamion | much better | 06:46 |
| lalo | Kamion: :-P | 06:46 |
| Kamion | fabbione: seems to do the same kind of thing | 06:47 |
| Kamion | except I'm not sure -novtswitch works there, odd | 06:48 |
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| fabbione | Kamion: i am pretty sure the option is broken. gotta go for real | 07:06 |
| npmccallum | fabbione, Kamion: usplash will use X -noswitchvt | 07:31 |
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| mdz | Kamion: I believe the final scheme for the version number was with a dash (4-10) | 07:53 |
| Kamion | it kept changing, it's possible I got confused | 07:58 |
| mdz | might want to ping the list | 08:00 |
| Mithrandir | we rock. or sane rocks, or something. Installed xsane, installed hpoj and It Just Works. | 08:19 |
| mdz | daniels: speaking of hpoj...... | 08:19 |
| Mithrandir | what is The Recommended Email Client in ubuntu? Evolution? | 08:21 |
| npmccallum | Mithrandir: yes | 08:21 |
| mdz | evolution and mutt are both available by default | 08:22 |
| mdz | mozilla-thunderbird is also supported | 08:22 |
| Kamion | /usr/bin/mkisofs: No such file or directory. Invalid node - -sort | 08:22 |
| Kamion | thank you, mkisofs, for your tremendously helpful error messages | 08:22 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: wtf? | 08:22 |
| Mithrandir | evo needs a bit of convincing to build for amd64, though. I'll have to take a look at that as soon as I have ia32-libs and amd64-libs in the archive. | 08:23 |
| Kamion | ah, I think it might be trying to treat -sort as a filename | 08:23 |
| sabdf1 | kamion: is "Mozilla Web Browser" a dependency, or deliberately installed? | 08:46 |
| Kamion | sabdf1: Desktop has only mozilla-firefox; mozilla-browser is in Ship (so on the CD but not installed by default) | 08:47 |
| sabdf1 | kamion: it installs by default on sounder7 | 08:48 |
| sabdf1 | what's the best way to figure out which binary is listening on an open port? | 08:49 |
| Kamion | netstat -anp | 08:50 |
| sabdf1 | gem :-) | 08:51 |
| Kamion | hm, mozilla-browser is installed by default here too, which is extremely weird | 08:52 |
| Kamion | /var/log/base-config.log suggests something depends on it | 08:53 |
| Kamion | ah, I have a sneaking suspicion that aptitude is being naughty and installing Recommends: | 08:54 |
| jdub | hey hey hey | 08:55 |
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| mdz | libdevhelp-1-0 Depends: mozilla-browser | 08:57 |
| Kamion | sabdf1: fixed in base-config 2.35ubuntu20 | 08:58 |
| mdz | according to germinate, it's only in supported | 08:58 |
| Kamion | mdz: indeed. it's a Recommends: thing, fixed | 08:58 |
| mdz | ah | 08:58 |
| Kamion | OK, CDs hopefully now sorted with all the udebs at the front in Packages file order followed by all the debs in Packages file order | 09:02 |
| Kamion | and the Packages files alphabetically sorted by source then package name | 09:02 |
| Kamion | wonder how long that'll take to rsync ... | 09:03 |
| jdub | Kamion: oooh | 09:05 |
| mdz | I thought we decided we wanted debootstrap order for base | 09:05 |
| Kamion | this will do for now | 09:07 |
| Kamion | doing it at all was hard enough, debian-cd being what it is | 09:07 |
| Kamion | mdz: actually, if we're going the archive-copier route we absolutely want this approach | 09:07 |
| Kamion | since archive-copier uses Packages file order | 09:07 |
| mdz | Kamion: archive-copier would handle base as well? | 09:08 |
| Kamion | yes | 09:08 |
| mdz | ah | 09:08 |
| Kamion | if you try it in Sounder 7, it runs before base-installer | 09:08 |
| mdz | I'm burning sounder 7 now | 09:08 |
| mdz | Kamion: does this include all of the shipseed additions we made in Oxford? | 09:10 |
| mdz | it's still only 512M | 09:10 |
| Kamion | mdz: that's all entirely automatic now, so yes | 09:10 |
| mdz | maybe we should add kernel-headers-x.y.z-386 to shipseed too, then | 09:10 |
| Kamion | I got bored of making the changes by hand so I automated it and had it just mail me any changes it made | 09:10 |
| mdz | that's handy for being able to build a kernel module with only what's on the CD | 09:10 |
| Kamion | and corresponding for other arches, yes | 09:11 |
| mdz | that's about 25M | 09:11 |
| mdz | on i386 | 09:11 |
| mdz | it might even be a good idea to install it by default | 09:12 |
| mdz | then building kernel modules 'just works' | 09:12 |
| Kamion | we don't even have powerpc kernel headers in Supported at the moment | 09:13 |
| Kamion | that seems like a bug | 09:13 |
| mdz | yes, please add the right packages | 09:13 |
| mdz | amd64 as well, if you know which ones we should have | 09:13 |
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| Mithrandir | I guess I'm supposed to pop in now and tell you what package you want for amd64, but I don't remember. | 09:14 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: it'll be easy to find out | 09:14 |
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| Mithrandir | lamont: did the xresprobe build on amd64 die? | 09:16 |
| lamont | it died on one arch with a parse error - emailed daniels about it | 09:17 |
| lamont | I think it was amd64 | 09:17 |
| lamont | but that window is busy... | 09:18 |
| Mithrandir | yeah, I'll try it by hand | 09:18 |
| lamont | newt has non-PIC in shared libs, fails. | 09:18 |
| lamont | amd64, that is | 09:18 |
| lamont | gcc -g -Wall -O2 -c -o ddcprobe.o ddcprobe.c | 09:18 |
| lamont | ddcprobe.c: In function `main': | 09:18 |
| lamont | ddcprobe.c:274: error: parse error at end of input | 09:18 |
| lamont | that's xresprobe/amd64 | 09:18 |
| Kamion | ddcprobe.c has very strange }-inside-#ifdef-itis | 09:19 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: kernel-headers-`uname -r` should do | 09:19 |
| Mithrandir | I'm running a non-ubuntu kernel atm, though | 09:20 |
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| Mithrandir | I should whack the mkinitrd script into supporting sata | 09:20 |
| Kamion | somebody should fix the lunacy from lines 65 to 106 of ddcprobe.c | 09:20 |
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| mdz | Mithrandir: indeed | 09:52 |
| Mithrandir | since a lot of amd64 users only have sata. | 09:52 |
| Kamion | the grub source package is barking | 09:52 |
| Kamion | it contains a patch in debian/patches/ which only changes a file in debian/ | 09:53 |
| Kamion | although fortunately it isn't actually enabled | 09:53 |
| mdz | Kamion: barking? | 09:58 |
| Kamion | mad | 09:58 |
| Kamion | (UK slang) | 09:58 |
| Keybuk | really? and I thought it was a place just outside Reading <g> | 09:59 |
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| Keybuk | heh, libtiff | 10:06 |
| lamont | Kamion: that's about 10 minutes work, all told | 10:06 |
| Keybuk | would it be possible to separate warty-changes and universe changes? | 10:06 |
| lamont | Keybuk: the w-b stuff is all the same place, so somehow I kinda doubt it... | 10:07 |
| lamont | but then you can look at the body of the message and sort... | 10:07 |
| Keybuk | well, universe is ultimately "uninteresting" from a company POV ... and flooding the list with it kinda makes -changes less interesting to subscribe to | 10:12 |
| sabdfl | hopefully our community will take an active interest in universe though | 10:12 |
| sabdfl | so there should be ongoing updates from trusted maintainers there | 10:12 |
| Keybuk | there can be a "too much traffic" problem though, especially if it gets to the level of debian's | 10:15 |
| mdz | Kamion: archive-copier seems to do the right thing for me, as far as copying | 10:15 |
| mdz | aptitude and dpkg-preconfigure still read the CD | 10:16 |
| Keybuk | hmm | 10:16 |
| Keybuk | is it me or is gnome dev current uninstallable | 10:17 |
| Keybuk | half seems to depend on libgcrypt7-dev and the other half on libgcrypt11-dev | 10:17 |
| Keybuk | ok | 10:22 |
| Keybuk | stupid question time | 10:23 |
| Keybuk | WHY is glade-gnome-2 in universe and not in warty? | 10:23 |
| Kamion | mdz: apt-cdrom add, too | 10:23 |
| mdz | Kamion: by the time I logged in on vt2 to look, /var/cache/apt/archives was empty | 10:24 |
| mdz | I assume something is cleaning up after debootstrap | 10:24 |
| Mithrandir | base-config cleans it by default | 10:25 |
| Mithrandir | iirc | 10:25 |
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| Kamion | mdz: oh, damn, I forgot to mention that; you also need to boot with KEEP_DEBS=yes | 10:29 |
| mdz | ah | 10:29 |
| Kamion | (on the second boot) | 10:29 |
| Kamion | I'll mail sounder@ | 10:29 |
| mdz | daniels: ping? | 10:32 |
| mdz | xserver-xfree86 is asking me a question | 10:32 |
| lamont | mdz: the unmitigated gall of it. :-) | 10:33 |
| Kamion | mdz: apparently this happens when xresprobe can't | 10:34 |
| mdz | Kamion: yeah, I'm prodding it now. but it was detecting my LCD OK in Oxford | 10:34 |
| lamont | mdz: please sudo ls /var/spool/postfix/{public,private} | 10:35 |
| mdz | lamont: both empty | 10:35 |
| lamont | and the errors were coming out before or after that first reboot? | 10:36 |
| lamont | I'll assume 'both' | 10:36 |
| mdz | both | 10:37 |
| mdz | and every time I run sudo | 10:37 |
| lamont | does /usr/sbin/postfix stop; /usr/sbin/postfix start make it go away? | 10:37 |
| mdz | lamont: no | 10:38 |
| lamont | hrmpf. | 10:38 |
| mdz | lamont: this should be trivial to reproduce with a fresh Warty install; others are seeing it as well | 10:38 |
| lamont | yeah - just have to suck down the iso. :-( | 10:38 |
| Kamion | what's the bug? I just did an install | 10:39 |
| lamont | postfix fifo dirs appear to wind up empty | 10:39 |
| lamont | sudo ls /var/spool/postfix/{public,private} | 10:39 |
| Kamion | hm, but not on a network-connected machine, which might not be terribly helpful | 10:39 |
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| lamont | and, for whatever reason, that's not happening - mdz: is postfix running? (ps aux| grep master) | 10:41 |
| mdz | lamont: no, it isn't | 10:41 |
| mdz | aha, I think I see the problem | 10:42 |
| lamont | /usr/sbin/postfix start should have started it... /var/log/mail.log should have some bitchiness in it then. | 10:42 |
| mdz | loopback is unconfigured | 10:42 |
| mdz | Kamion: this is the d-i-with-no-network case | 10:42 |
| Kamion | you ctrl-c'ed "configuring network interfaces" | 10:44 |
| Kamion | I bet | 10:44 |
| mdz | no, I did "go back" | 10:45 |
| Kamion | I mean after the first reboot | 10:45 |
| mdz | no, I didn't | 10:45 |
| Kamion | hm | 10:45 |
| Kamion | well, I plan to overhaul that code anyway ... | 10:45 |
| Kamion | anyhow, time for !work | 10:46 |
| lamont | so does this make it a net-config issue, not a postfix issue? | 10:48 |
| lamont | OTOH, I should just create the directories | 10:48 |
| aes | wheeeeeeeeee | 11:06 |
| aes | Hello panel | 11:06 |
| seb128 | what with the panel ? | 11:11 |
| aes | tis a new panel | 11:13 |
| seb128 | oh, yes | 11:13 |
| aes | :) | 11:13 |
| seb128 | I was fearing a crasher or something like that :) | 11:14 |
| aes | nah :) | 11:14 |
| aes | seems quite a nice logical layout | 11:14 |
| seb128 | just first version, some changes are already pending for tomorrow | 11:14 |
| aes | Only gripe is that Computer contains an eclectic mix of all sorts of things, but I couldn't suggest anything better... | 11:22 |
| aes | (not without having a "Files" menu too, but that makes things get cluttered.) | 11:22 |
| aes | Anyway. You don't want me whinging here ;) | 11:22 |
| seb128 | all the advices/opinions are welcome | 11:24 |
| Mithrandir | hi aes :) | 11:27 |
| aes | Hello Mithrandir | 11:28 |
| aes | oh, I know you :) | 11:28 |
| Mithrandir | yes, we met at GUADEC this summer | 11:29 |
| aes | yes | 11:29 |
| aes | just slow on mapping irc nicks <-> real life :) | 11:29 |
| Mithrandir | :) | 11:29 |
| Mithrandir | well, I'm off to bed now. | 11:29 |
| Mithrandir | see you around | 11:29 |
| aes | night | 11:30 |
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