mdznpmccallum: how is usplash going?12:08
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Kamion... and it's even documented in the isolinux help screens ...12:11
mdznpmccallum,thom: the usplash changes need to get into warty today if they're going to release with Warty12:15
mdzthis is a major change to the boot process and needs a lot of testing12:15
Kamionideally they'd get into Sounder 712:31
Kamionif I'm assured that they'll be in Warty by tomorrow then I can postpone Sounder 7 until then, but I'd rather not push it any later12:32
mdzKamion: what time were you planning to roll Sounder 7?12:39
Kamionif I'm doing it tonight it needs to be roughly now in order for me not to be still working on it when my girlfriend gets here; if tomorrow, whenever really12:43
Kamionhm, this business of removing /cdrom etc. from /etc/fstab is going to suck for users who don't use our default magic12:48
KamionI do 'mount /cdrom' all the time12:48
Kamionoh well12:48
KamionFYI I'm not making that change right now because I think some of prebaseconfig/base-config relies on the existing code and I don't want to muck about with it right before a Sounder12:48
mjg59Is there going to be another test release before the weekend?12:59
mdzKamion: you're free to statoverride /bin/mount and edit fstab12:59
mdzI'm personally quite happy to have it automounted by g-v-m01:00
mdzKamion: if you need to start now, then do it.  it's more important to get sounder 7 out than to have usplash01:01
mdzI'm uncomfortable enough about intrusive changes to the boot process this close to release01:01
Kamionmjg59: you mean including Sounder 7 or not?01:06
mjg59Including that - I have no real idea how long it takes you to actually get something on the server once it's done :)01:07
Kamionoh, I build on a box in our LAN, it takes all of ten seconds or so to get it to the mirror once I throw the switch01:08
Kamionthom: hey, sulogin worked01:08
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KeybukKamion: watch out, it probably makes all your files writable or something01:09
Kamionif thom wants to exploit all newly-installed Ubuntu systems, it's his paycheque ;-)01:09
Kamionexcellent, DTRT with a set root password too01:12
Kamionmjg59: righto, hopefully tonight but I have no idea how late01:12
Keybuk^ Oooh01:12
KamionI seem to be seeing ACPI errors from GNOME on startup with the current daily01:13
Kamion"Can't access ACPI events in /var/run/acpid.socket! Make sure the ACPI subsystem is working and the acpid daemon is running.@01:14
OskuroKamion: acpid not running?01:16
Kamionit appears to be01:16
Kamionalthough /var/run/acpid.socket doesn't exist01:16
Oskuroweird. I guess the box isn't using apm, right?01:17
Kamionwe don't have APM in warty kernels AFAIK01:17
KamionI do have /proc/acpi01:17
mdzKamion: that's a known bug in thom's acpid upload01:18
mdzit starts, and then its socket is removed01:18
mdzKamion: please do file a bug to remind him01:18
Kamionisn't that kind of a showstopper for a test release? :-)01:18
Kamiontotally rad laptop support and all01:19
Oskuroheh, I vote for that01:19
mdzKamion: if you have time to do it, reverting ubuntu4 is fine with me01:21
Kamionthat'll be 1:33 at the earliest before I can start the build - I think this is going to have to wait until tomorrow, sorry01:38
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fabbionemorning guys07:20
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fabbionehey mdz!08:45
fabbionewhat's up?08:46
mdzsleep soon08:47
fabbionestill walking on walls?08:48
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rburtonmorning seb12810:34
seb128hello rburton 10:34
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seb128rburton: have you tried the nautilus sendto extension ?10:37
rburtoni looked at the code10:39
rburtonits crap10:39
rburtonwell, not really crap10:39
Gman'less than ideal'10:40
rburtongood phrase10:40
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Gmanoh gnome debian dudes10:41
Gmani'm getting no nice icons on my desktop10:41
Gmanthat's a known bug, right?10:41
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seb128define "nice"10:42
rburtonyou running nautilus? ;)10:42
Gmanwell, doesn't seem to be picking up the icon theme10:42
Gmanjust blank page icons10:42
seb128ps ax | grep settings10:42
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Gmanhrm, gnome-settings-daemon seems to be running alright10:45
Gmanmost of the icons in the menu seem to be picked up10:45
Gmanjust not the nautilus desktop icons10:45
Gmanand recent documents menu10:45
seb128which theme ?10:47
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Gmanthanks seb12810:48
Gmandidn't think about that10:48
rburtonxemacs21 is uninstallable from universe atm10:54
rburtonxemacs21-basesupport isn't available10:55
seb128bah, xemacs10:56
rburtonyay i can watch the kde streams with totem11:00
rburtonwell, it appears that 200kb/s isn't enough for streaming11:01
rburtonhm, no, its the video which sucks11:01
seb128the video sucks11:02
rburtonbit jerky11:02
rburtontheora needs optimisation love11:02
rburtonthe camera is slowly dropping, which is quite amusing11:02
Mithrandir*grumble*, isn't rhythmbox supposed to use esd?11:35
seb128rhythmbox use whatever you have as audiosink in gst11:35
seb128esd, oss, alsa11:35
seb128gconftool-2 -g /system/gstreamer/0.8/default/audiosink11:36
Mithrandirhm, ossink.11:37
seb128you can change it by esdsink 11:38
Mithrandirseems like rhytmbox doesn't accept dragging and dropping files from nautilus.. well, I'll use totem, then.11:48
thomKamion: just reverted acpid11:50
seb128you can right click on the file in nautilus11:50
seb128and add to the playlist11:51
Mithrandirseb128: nope, doesn't work.11:51
Mithrandirseb128: not over sftp.11:51
seb128oh, ok11:51
Mithrandirthat really sucks.. why should I have to copy all my media to ~ ?11:51
MithrandirI have about 100G of music.. I really don't want to copy that to my workstation.11:52
seb128it doesn't work with a sftp dir ?11:53
Mithrandirright-clicking on a directory in nautilus does not show the "add to music library" if the directory is accessed through sftp, no.11:54
seb128perhaps you can try the .application change to add the sftp method11:56
seb128not sure if you will get the crash reported after or not ...11:56
Mithrandirit doesn't report that rhytmbox can't open sftp, though11:59
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sabdflKamion: what's the rsync url for the latest warty daily nowadays?01:01
Mithrandirrsync -av --partial --progress ftp.no-name-yet.com::cdimage/daily/current/warty-i386-1.iso warty-i386-1.iso is what I use01:06
sabdflthanks mithrandir01:09
KamionMithrandir: use nfs, sucky though it is?01:15
MithrandirKamion: nfs over untrusted network?  I'm not completely on crack.01:16
Kamionoh, I thought you were local01:16
Mithrandirfairly local, but university network.01:16
Mithrandirso it's all untrusted.01:16
Kamionsftp is not exactly designed for streaming though01:17
Mithrandirwell, it's a 100Mbit untrusted network, so I wouldn't really care. ;)01:17
Kamionthom: thanks, attempting another sounder 7 build now01:17
sabdflkamion: will that latest build show up in cdimage/dail/current ?01:33
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Kamionsabdfl: yes01:51
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seb128rburton: your "patches" blog entry is funny :)03:18
Kamionhm, trashapplet seems to totally crash and burn for me03:21
Kamionbut anyway, Sounder 7 looks at least plausible; I'll pull the switch once I get back from the optician's03:22
seb128Kamion: trashapplet doesn't work at all for you ? 03:23
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rburtonaes: your blog entry was a little confusing03:52
rburtoni'd say 90% of packages are in universe, so no extra repositories would be needed03:53
rburtonno need for pinning etc03:53
aesrburton: that probably means I'm confused03:53
rburtonprobably, yes03:54
aesYou're saying "deb http://ftp.no-name-yet.com/no-name-yet warty main" is wrong, I suppose?03:54
rburtonadd "deb http://ftp.no-name-yet.com/no-name-yet/ warty universe"03:54
aesThanks :)03:54
rburtoni only discovered it when i moaned about the lack of xemacs :)03:54
thomrburton: that's a feature03:54
rburtonxemacs being broken?03:55
rburtoni'm sure it is03:56
mjg59has the scary artwork gone in yet?03:56
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lamontrburton: xemacs21 should be there soon03:56
aesmjg59: there is some scary artwork03:56
rburtonlamont: its all in apart from xemacs21-basesupport03:56
mjg59aes: Does the scary artwork involve people?03:56
aesmjg59: not as far as I've seen03:56
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lamontyeah - I fixed xemacs21 last night, will look at the rest of the xemacs-suite03:57
aesok, so ubuntu rocks even more than I thought :)03:57
mjg59Ah, so not the really scary artwork yet03:57
aesmjg59: apparently not03:57
rburtonjdub: contact-lookup-applet 0.8 is now in experimental, for when you wake up03:58
danielsmjg59: \o/ UBUNTU04:01
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lamontrburton: we can't build xemacs21-packages (source for xemacs21-basesupport) because xemacs21-basesupport isn't built.  sigh.04:06
lamontI'll break the circle sometime today or so04:07
lamontI think the scary artwork was planning to arrive once they'd posed the actual models, rather than the stock footage they used in the mockups...04:18
fabbionehey guys04:19
fabbionelamont: any news from the X buildd front?04:19
rburtonok, talk of scary artwork is worrying me04:20
Oskurorburton: you're going to love it :)04:22
rburtonoooh let me see04:22
OskuroI don't have it :)04:23
fabbionenoone does04:24
lamontfabbione: -6ubuntu7 is installed on all 304:24
fabbionelamont: good.. i was more thinking about the mime stuff :-)04:24
lamontrburton: it was more the people that were scary - the actual models aren't so scary04:24
lamontfabbione: thought about it afterwards - I need to rewrite some perl code into python to fix it, that'll happen sometime soon, but today isn't very likely04:25
fabbioneok. i am planning an upload for tomorrow04:25
fabbionejust that you know04:25
lamontit has been observed recently that i386 and powerpc buildds apparently manage to upload (at least most of the time), while amd64 has not been observed to succeed without help04:27
thomit's also been observed that some people have been playing too much Mao04:28
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lamontthom: well, yes.  But then, I'd have to actually do research to explain the rules definitively...  Not entirely sure which buildd's have hacked around the problem and which have not...04:45
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Kamionanyone got anything special they'd like people to test in Sounder 7?04:48
thomlogging in as root to single user? ;-)04:49
thomand, of course, TRLS04:49
Kamionoh, I meant to mention the root thing and forgot, thanks04:50
thomtotally rad...04:51
Kamionheh, ok04:51
Kamionlaptop support04:55
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rburtonso, no root password and initial user is sudo05:10
rburtoncan this be skipped?05:11
Kamionwhat do you mean?05:11
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rburtoni've forgotten what d-i actually does here -- can i trivially not setup an initial user and set a root password?05:11
Kamionno, you'd have to fix it up after the install05:11
rburtonalrighty. can i file a bug? :)05:12
Kamion'sudo passwd root', 'sudo deluser rburton' or whatever05:12
Kamionsure - sounds like an expert mode thing05:12
rburtoni'm planning on ubuntu for our work desktops you see, and i am *so* not putting people in sudoers ;)05:12
Kamionsounds like an excellent reason; we need to collect data on the cases where people don't want this kind of setup05:13
Kamionmaking it the default for a CD release is a good way to get that data :-)05:13
mjg59thom: What does "Totally Rad Laptop Support" actually involve?05:30
eddworking acpi, i gotta hope :)05:31
mjg59edd: Are you still planning on doing an article on acpi at some point?05:31
eddmjg59: yes05:32
thommjg59: currently, laptop mode, some acpi stuff that doesn't send machines to sleep permanently, etc05:36
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sabdf1kamion: is the copy-on-install magic to boot with "linux anna/choose_module=archive-copier" ?05:42
Kamionchoose_modules rather than choose_module05:43
Kamionbut yes05:43
sabdf1thanks, testing it now05:44
Kamionyou can also boot in expert mode and select archive-copier from the extra bonus udeb list when that appears, then change debconf priority back to critical; but I figured this would be easier than that dance05:44
sabdf1also testing install-on-pcmcia-wifi network :-)05:44
Kamionyou should see the name archive-copier flick past when it's retrieving installer components from the CD05:45
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sabdf1kamion: archive-copier looks great05:53
sabdf1any attempt to find an optimal sequence?05:53
Kamiondoing mkisofs -sort on the CDs has got up to the top three entries on my stack05:54
Kamionit's probably quite suboptimal atm05:54
Kamionthree entries> not including having lunch ... hm, let's go and do that now, 5pm is time enough for lunch right? :)05:56
sabdf1you're running on new york time. excellent :-)05:57
mjg59Do you have Centrino drivers in the main install?06:04
sabdf1kamion: used the archive-copier, but it's still checking for the CD after the reboot06:12
thommjg59: ipw2{1,2}00 you mean? we will do06:14
mjg59But don't yet?06:14
thomsabdf1: that's known about06:14
thommjg59: yeah06:14
Kamionsabdf1: yep, as mentioned in the announcement base-config integration isn't complete06:15
seb128Kamion: could you add ~/Documents and ~/.Trash to the default skel ?06:35
KamionI was in the middle of an install so that I could test whether creating ~/.Trash did the right thing ...06:36
Kamioncan't some GNOME package just drop them into /etc/skel?06:36
Kamionhm, I guess they need to be there before the initial user is created though, which is before any of Desktop gets installed06:36
seb128yes ...06:37
seb128~/.Trash is created by nautilus06:37
Kamionthe thought of having non-dotfiles in /etc/skel just turns me right off :(06:37
seb128I'll do the same for the applet, so perhaps no need to add it to the skell06:37
KamionI think that would be better06:37
seb128but ~/Documents would be nice06:38
Kamionit feels to me that that should only happen for people who log in at a desktop06:38
Kamionremote users have no need for it06:38
seb128we want to make ~/Documents the standard place for all the apps06:38
seb128hum, wondering where is the right place to create it06:39
Kamionsurely just all desktop apps?06:39
Kamionso it's a desktop thing :)06:39
seb128ok :)06:39
Kamionthat X -noswitchvt bug is ugly06:39
fabbioneKamion: yeah06:40
fabbioneand daniels won't be able to work on it until next monday06:40
fabbioneis there any package already using it?06:40
KamionI assumed that was why I get crap all over my screen before gdm gets round to starting ...?06:41
fabbioneno i don't think so06:41
fabbionetry to stop gdm06:41
fabbioneand just startx06:41
fabbionekill X06:41
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fabbionestartx -novtswitch06:41
lalois there a root password in the livecd?06:42
fabbioneand you should be able to see the difference.. if there is any06:42
fabbionei am off for today06:42
Kamionlalo: to be honest I think Alex is really the only person who knows much about how the live CD works right now06:46
Kamion'Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" perimadeia tty1'06:46
Kamionmuch better06:46
laloKamion: :-P06:46
Kamionfabbione: seems to do the same kind of thing06:47
Kamionexcept I'm not sure -novtswitch works there, odd06:48
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fabbioneKamion: i am pretty sure the option is broken. gotta go for real07:06
npmccallumfabbione, Kamion: usplash will use X -noswitchvt07:31
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mdzKamion: I believe the final scheme for the version number was with a dash (4-10)07:53
Kamionit kept changing, it's possible I got confused07:58
mdzmight want to ping the list08:00
Mithrandirwe rock.  or sane rocks, or something.  Installed xsane, installed hpoj and It Just Works.08:19
mdzdaniels: speaking of hpoj......08:19
Mithrandirwhat is The Recommended Email Client in ubuntu?  Evolution?08:21
npmccallumMithrandir: yes08:21
mdzevolution and mutt are both available by default08:22
mdzmozilla-thunderbird is also supported08:22
Kamion/usr/bin/mkisofs: No such file or directory. Invalid node - -sort08:22
Kamionthank you, mkisofs, for your tremendously helpful error messages08:22
MithrandirKamion: wtf?08:22
Mithrandirevo needs a bit of convincing to build for amd64, though.  I'll have to take a look at that as soon as I have ia32-libs and amd64-libs in the archive.08:23
Kamionah, I think it might be trying to treat -sort as a filename08:23
sabdf1kamion: is "Mozilla Web Browser" a dependency, or deliberately installed?08:46
Kamionsabdf1: Desktop has only mozilla-firefox; mozilla-browser is in Ship (so on the CD but not installed by default)08:47
sabdf1kamion: it installs by default on sounder708:48
sabdf1what's the best way to figure out which binary is listening on an open port?08:49
Kamionnetstat -anp08:50
sabdf1gem :-)08:51
Kamionhm, mozilla-browser is installed by default here too, which is extremely weird08:52
Kamion/var/log/base-config.log suggests something depends on it08:53
Kamionah, I have a sneaking suspicion that aptitude is being naughty and installing Recommends:08:54
jdubhey hey hey08:55
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mdzlibdevhelp-1-0 Depends: mozilla-browser08:57
Kamionsabdf1: fixed in base-config 2.35ubuntu2008:58
mdzaccording to germinate, it's only in supported08:58
Kamionmdz: indeed. it's a Recommends: thing, fixed08:58
KamionOK, CDs hopefully now sorted with all the udebs at the front in Packages file order followed by all the debs in Packages file order09:02
Kamionand the Packages files alphabetically sorted by source then package name09:02
Kamionwonder how long that'll take to rsync ...09:03
jdubKamion: oooh 09:05
mdzI thought we decided we wanted debootstrap order for base09:05
Kamionthis will do for now09:07
Kamiondoing it at all was hard enough, debian-cd being what it is09:07
Kamionmdz: actually, if we're going the archive-copier route we absolutely want this approach09:07
Kamionsince archive-copier uses Packages file order09:07
mdzKamion: archive-copier would handle base as well?09:08
Kamionif you try it in Sounder 7, it runs before base-installer09:08
mdzI'm burning sounder 7 now09:08
mdzKamion: does this include all of the shipseed additions we made in Oxford?09:10
mdzit's still only 512M09:10
Kamionmdz: that's all entirely automatic now, so yes09:10
mdzmaybe we should add kernel-headers-x.y.z-386 to shipseed too, then09:10
KamionI got bored of making the changes by hand so I automated it and had it just mail me any changes it made09:10
mdzthat's handy for being able to build a kernel module with only what's on the CD09:10
Kamionand corresponding for other arches, yes09:11
mdzthat's about 25M09:11
mdzon i38609:11
mdzit might even be a good idea to install it by default09:12
mdzthen building kernel modules 'just works'09:12
Kamionwe don't even have powerpc kernel headers in Supported at the moment09:13
Kamionthat seems like a bug09:13
mdzyes, please add the right packages09:13
mdzamd64 as well, if you know which ones we should have09:13
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MithrandirI guess I'm supposed to pop in now and tell you what package you want for amd64, but I don't remember.09:14
KamionMithrandir: it'll be easy to find out09:14
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Mithrandirlamont: did the xresprobe build on amd64 die?09:16
lamontit died on one arch with a parse error - emailed daniels about it09:17
lamontI think it was amd6409:17
lamontbut that window is busy...09:18
Mithrandiryeah, I'll try it by hand09:18
lamontnewt has non-PIC in shared libs, fails.09:18
lamontamd64, that is09:18
lamontgcc -g -Wall -O2   -c -o ddcprobe.o ddcprobe.c09:18
lamontddcprobe.c: In function `main':09:18
lamontddcprobe.c:274: error: parse error at end of input09:18
lamontthat's xresprobe/amd6409:18
Kamionddcprobe.c has very strange }-inside-#ifdef-itis09:19
mdzMithrandir: kernel-headers-`uname -r` should do09:19
MithrandirI'm running a non-ubuntu kernel atm, though09:20
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MithrandirI should whack the mkinitrd script into supporting sata09:20
Kamionsomebody should fix the lunacy from lines 65 to 106 of ddcprobe.c09:20
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mdzMithrandir: indeed09:52
Mithrandirsince a lot of amd64 users only have sata.09:52
Kamionthe grub source package is barking09:52
Kamionit contains a patch in debian/patches/ which only changes a file in debian/09:53
Kamionalthough fortunately it isn't actually enabled09:53
mdzKamion: barking?09:58
Kamion(UK slang)09:58
Keybukreally? and I thought it was a place just outside Reading <g>09:59
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Keybukheh, libtiff10:06
lamontKamion: that's about 10 minutes work, all told10:06
Keybukwould it be possible to separate warty-changes and universe changes?10:06
lamontKeybuk: the w-b stuff is all the same place, so somehow I kinda doubt it...10:07
lamontbut then you can look at the body of the message and sort...10:07
Keybukwell, universe is ultimately "uninteresting" from a company POV ... and flooding the list with it kinda makes -changes less interesting to subscribe to10:12
sabdflhopefully our community will take an active interest in universe though10:12
sabdflso there should be ongoing updates from trusted maintainers there10:12
Keybukthere can be a "too much traffic" problem though, especially if it gets to the level of debian's10:15
mdzKamion: archive-copier seems to do the right thing for me, as far as copying10:15
mdzaptitude and dpkg-preconfigure still read the CD10:16
Keybukis it me or is gnome dev current uninstallable10:17
Keybukhalf seems to depend on libgcrypt7-dev and the other half on libgcrypt11-dev10:17
Keybukstupid question time10:23
KeybukWHY is glade-gnome-2 in universe and not in warty?10:23
Kamionmdz: apt-cdrom add, too10:23
mdzKamion: by the time I logged in on vt2 to look, /var/cache/apt/archives was empty10:24
mdzI assume something is cleaning up after debootstrap10:24
Mithrandirbase-config cleans it by default10:25
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Kamionmdz: oh, damn, I forgot to mention that; you also need to boot with KEEP_DEBS=yes10:29
Kamion(on the second boot)10:29
KamionI'll mail sounder@10:29
mdzdaniels: ping?10:32
mdzxserver-xfree86 is asking me a question10:32
lamontmdz: the unmitigated gall of it. :-)10:33
Kamionmdz: apparently this happens when xresprobe can't10:34
mdzKamion: yeah, I'm prodding it now.  but it was detecting my LCD OK in Oxford10:34
lamontmdz: please sudo ls /var/spool/postfix/{public,private}10:35
mdzlamont: both empty10:35
lamontand the errors were coming out before or after that first reboot?10:36
lamontI'll assume 'both'10:36
mdzand every time I run sudo10:37
lamontdoes /usr/sbin/postfix stop; /usr/sbin/postfix start make it go away?10:37
mdzlamont: no10:38
mdzlamont: this should be trivial to reproduce with a fresh Warty install; others are seeing it as well10:38
lamontyeah - just have to suck down the iso. :-(10:38
Kamionwhat's the bug? I just did an install10:39
lamontpostfix fifo dirs appear to wind up empty10:39
lamontsudo ls /var/spool/postfix/{public,private}10:39
Kamionhm, but not on a network-connected machine, which might not be terribly helpful10:39
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lamontand, for whatever reason, that's not happening - mdz: is postfix running? (ps aux| grep master)10:41
mdzlamont: no, it isn't10:41
mdzaha, I think I see the problem10:42
lamont/usr/sbin/postfix start should have started it... /var/log/mail.log should have some bitchiness in it then.10:42
mdzloopback is unconfigured10:42
mdzKamion: this is the d-i-with-no-network case10:42
Kamionyou ctrl-c'ed "configuring network interfaces"10:44
KamionI bet10:44
mdzno, I did "go back"10:45
KamionI mean after the first reboot10:45
mdzno, I didn't10:45
Kamionwell, I plan to overhaul that code anyway ...10:45
Kamionanyhow, time for !work10:46
lamontso does this make it a net-config issue, not a postfix issue?10:48
lamontOTOH, I should just create the directories10:48
aesHello panel11:06
seb128what with the panel ?11:11
aestis a new panel11:13
seb128oh, yes11:13
seb128I was fearing a crasher or something like that :)11:14
aesnah :)11:14
aesseems quite a nice logical layout11:14
seb128just first version, some changes are already pending for tomorrow11:14
aesOnly gripe is that Computer contains an eclectic mix of all sorts of things, but I couldn't suggest anything better...11:22
aes(not without having a "Files" menu too, but that makes things get cluttered.)11:22
aesAnyway. You don't want me whinging here ;)11:22
seb128all the advices/opinions are welcome11:24
Mithrandirhi aes :)11:27
aesHello Mithrandir11:28
aesoh, I know you :)11:28
Mithrandiryes, we met at GUADEC this summer11:29
aesjust slow on mapping irc nicks <-> real life :)11:29
Mithrandirwell, I'm off to bed now.11:29
Mithrandirsee you around11:29
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