[12:08] npmccallum: how is usplash going? === Kamion notes that booting with vga=771 makes d-i fit on the screen of that conference test laptop that was displaying the bottom edge off-screen [12:11] ... and it's even documented in the isolinux help screens ... [12:15] npmccallum,thom: the usplash changes need to get into warty today if they're going to release with Warty [12:15] this is a major change to the boot process and needs a lot of testing [12:31] ideally they'd get into Sounder 7 [12:32] if I'm assured that they'll be in Warty by tomorrow then I can postpone Sounder 7 until then, but I'd rather not push it any later [12:39] Kamion: what time were you planning to roll Sounder 7? [12:43] if I'm doing it tonight it needs to be roughly now in order for me not to be still working on it when my girlfriend gets here; if tomorrow, whenever really [12:48] hm, this business of removing /cdrom etc. from /etc/fstab is going to suck for users who don't use our default magic [12:48] I do 'mount /cdrom' all the time [12:48] oh well [12:48] FYI I'm not making that change right now because I think some of prebaseconfig/base-config relies on the existing code and I don't want to muck about with it right before a Sounder [12:59] Is there going to be another test release before the weekend? [12:59] Kamion: you're free to statoverride /bin/mount and edit fstab [01:00] I'm personally quite happy to have it automounted by g-v-m [01:01] Kamion: if you need to start now, then do it. it's more important to get sounder 7 out than to have usplash [01:01] I'm uncomfortable enough about intrusive changes to the boot process this close to release [01:06] mjg59: you mean including Sounder 7 or not? [01:07] Including that - I have no real idea how long it takes you to actually get something on the server once it's done :) [01:08] oh, I build on a box in our LAN, it takes all of ten seconds or so to get it to the mirror once I throw the switch [01:08] thom: hey, sulogin worked === Kamion tries setting a root password [01:09] Kamion: watch out, it probably makes all your files writable or something [01:09] if thom wants to exploit all newly-installed Ubuntu systems, it's his paycheque ;-) [01:12] excellent, DTRT with a set root password too [01:12] mjg59: righto, hopefully tonight but I have no idea how late [01:12] http://en.wiktionary.org/ [01:12] ^ Oooh [01:13] I seem to be seeing ACPI errors from GNOME on startup with the current daily [01:14] "Can't access ACPI events in /var/run/acpid.socket! Make sure the ACPI subsystem is working and the acpid daemon is running.@ [01:14] " [01:16] Kamion: acpid not running? [01:16] it appears to be [01:16] although /var/run/acpid.socket doesn't exist [01:17] weird. I guess the box isn't using apm, right? [01:17] we don't have APM in warty kernels AFAIK [01:17] I do have /proc/acpi [01:17] nod [01:18] Kamion: that's a known bug in thom's acpid upload [01:18] it starts, and then its socket is removed [01:18] Kamion: please do file a bug to remind him [01:18] isn't that kind of a showstopper for a test release? :-) [01:19] totally rad laptop support and all [01:19] heh, I vote for that [01:21] Kamion: if you have time to do it, reverting ubuntu4 is fine with me [01:38] that'll be 1:33 at the earliest before I can start the build - I think this is going to have to wait until tomorrow, sorry === mjg59 [mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu === wartylog [~warthylog@port1845.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu === Topic for #ubuntu: SSDS | http://wiki.no-name-yet.com/ un: sounders, pw: oink === Topic (#ubuntu): set by Keybuk at Sun Aug 15 21:58:42 2004 === #ubuntu [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup === Gman [~Glynn@amfea-proxy-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu === Gman [~Glynn@amfea-proxy-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu === revlob [dave@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu === daf [daf@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu === mjg59 [mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu === lamont [~lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu === mcdonc|away [~chrism@ip68-110-244-103.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu === doko [doko@dsl-082-083-138-084.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu === whiprush [~jorge@arslinux.com] has joined #ubuntu === lifeless [~robertc@dsl-156.23.240.220.rns02-kent-syd.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu === Oskuro [~jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu === bob2 [rob@egads.ertius.org] has joined #ubuntu === fabbione [~fabbione@port1845.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu === MacRohard [rm@4691.irradiated.haggis.org] has joined #ubuntu === mdz [~mdz@69-167-148-207.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu === edd [dancer@pod-124.dolphin-server.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu === npmccallum [~npmccallu@24-48-54-75.ironoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu === Kamion [~cjwatson@host81-153-126-219.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu === mako [mako@micha.hampshire.edu] has joined #ubuntu === Mithrandir [~tfheen@vawad.raw.no] has joined #ubuntu === dieman [~dieman@3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510582097.org] has joined #ubuntu === thom [~thom@2001:618:400:0:0:0:c336:e42a] has joined #ubuntu === Reformed [~benl@junkybox.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu === bdale [~bdale@rover.gag.com] has joined #ubuntu === ik5pvx [~Bus_Error@paperino.noc.seabone.net] has joined #ubuntu === jdub [~jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu === cef [~cef@c211-28-159-51.thoms1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu === #ubuntu [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup === bdale [~bdale@rover.gag.com] has joined #ubuntu === ik5pvx [~Bus_Error@paperino.noc.seabone.net] has joined #ubuntu === jdub [~jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu === cef [~cef@c211-28-159-51.thoms1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu === bdale [~bdale@rover.gag.com] has joined #ubuntu === ik5pvx [~Bus_Error@paperino.noc.seabone.net] has joined #ubuntu === jdub [~jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu === cef [~cef@c211-28-159-51.thoms1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu [07:20] morning guys === cef_work [~cef@fw-01.amc.com.au] has joined #ubuntu === doko [doko@dsl-082-083-133-026.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu [08:45] morning [08:45] hey mdz! [08:46] what's up? [08:47] sleep soon [08:48] still walking on walls? [08:48] ;) === Gman [~Glynn@amfea-proxy-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu === rburton [~ross@82-44-126-41.cable.ubr03.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-111-1-7-132.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu [10:34] morning seb128 [10:34] hello rburton === Gman [~Glynn@amfea-proxy-2.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu [10:37] rburton: have you tried the nautilus sendto extension ? [10:39] no [10:39] i looked at the code [10:39] its crap [10:39] well, not really crap [10:40] 'less than ideal' [10:40] good phrase === rburton thinks Gman has worked at sun too long [10:40] lol [10:41] heh [10:41] oh gnome debian dudes [10:41] i'm getting no nice icons on my desktop [10:41] that's a known bug, right? === Gman remembers seeing it on pia's laptop when she was visiting nz [10:42] define "nice" [10:42] you running nautilus? ;) [10:42] well, doesn't seem to be picking up the icon theme [10:42] just blank page icons [10:42] ps ax | grep settings === Gman checks === Gman boots up laptop [10:45] hrm, gnome-settings-daemon seems to be running alright [10:45] most of the icons in the menu seem to be picked up [10:45] just not the nautilus desktop icons [10:45] and recent documents menu [10:47] which theme ? [10:48] ahh === Gman was using some weird assed hybrid of industrial and mist [10:48] thanks seb128 [10:48] np [10:48] didn't think about that [10:48] duh [10:54] xemacs21 is uninstallable from universe atm [10:55] xemacs21-basesupport isn't available [10:56] bah, xemacs [11:00] yay i can watch the kde streams with totem [11:01] well, it appears that 200kb/s isn't enough for streaming [11:01] hm, no, its the video which sucks [11:02] yes [11:02] the video sucks [11:02] bit jerky [11:02] theora needs optimisation love [11:02] the camera is slowly dropping, which is quite amusing [11:35] *grumble*, isn't rhythmbox supposed to use esd? [11:35] rhythmbox use whatever you have as audiosink in gst [11:35] esd, oss, alsa [11:36] gconftool-2 -g /system/gstreamer/0.8/default/audiosink [11:37] hm, ossink. [11:38] you can change it by esdsink [11:48] seems like rhytmbox doesn't accept dragging and dropping files from nautilus.. well, I'll use totem, then. [11:50] Kamion: just reverted acpid [11:50] you can right click on the file in nautilus [11:51] and add to the playlist [11:51] seb128: nope, doesn't work. [11:51] seb128: not over sftp. [11:51] oh, ok [11:51] that really sucks.. why should I have to copy all my media to ~ ? [11:52] ? [11:52] I have about 100G of music.. I really don't want to copy that to my workstation. [11:53] it doesn't work with a sftp dir ? [11:54] right-clicking on a directory in nautilus does not show the "add to music library" if the directory is accessed through sftp, no. [11:55] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140355 [11:56] perhaps you can try the .application change to add the sftp method [11:56] not sure if you will get the crash reported after or not ... [11:59] it doesn't report that rhytmbox can't open sftp, though === sabdfl [~mark@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-111-1-8-106.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu === sabdfl [~mark@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu [01:01] Kamion: what's the rsync url for the latest warty daily nowadays? [01:06] rsync -av --partial --progress ftp.no-name-yet.com::cdimage/daily/current/warty-i386-1.iso warty-i386-1.iso is what I use [01:09] thanks mithrandir [01:15] Mithrandir: use nfs, sucky though it is? [01:16] Kamion: nfs over untrusted network? I'm not completely on crack. [01:16] oh, I thought you were local [01:16] fairly local, but university network. [01:16] ah [01:16] so it's all untrusted. [01:17] sftp is not exactly designed for streaming though [01:17] well, it's a 100Mbit untrusted network, so I wouldn't really care. ;) [01:17] thom: thanks, attempting another sounder 7 build now [01:33] kamion: will that latest build show up in cdimage/dail/current ? === seb128_ [~seb128@ANancy-111-1-4-123.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu === seb128_ is now known as seb128 [01:51] sabdfl: yes === aes [~andrew@dsl-212-23-23-154.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu [03:18] lol [03:18] rburton: your "patches" blog entry is funny :) [03:21] hm, trashapplet seems to totally crash and burn for me [03:22] but anyway, Sounder 7 looks at least plausible; I'll pull the switch once I get back from the optician's [03:23] Kamion: trashapplet doesn't work at all for you ? === doko_ [doko@smile.cs.tu-berlin.de] has joined #ubuntu [03:52] aes: your blog entry was a little confusing [03:53] i'd say 90% of packages are in universe, so no extra repositories would be needed [03:53] no need for pinning etc [03:53] rburton: that probably means I'm confused [03:54] probably, yes [03:54] :) [03:54] You're saying "deb http://ftp.no-name-yet.com/no-name-yet warty main" is wrong, I suppose? [03:54] add "deb http://ftp.no-name-yet.com/no-name-yet/ warty universe" [03:54] aha! [03:54] Thanks :) [03:54] np [03:54] i only discovered it when i moaned about the lack of xemacs :) [03:54] rburton: that's a feature [03:55] xemacs being broken? [03:56] i'm sure it is [03:56] has the scary artwork gone in yet? === rburton builds contact-lookup-applet "how more can this rock" 0.8 [03:56] rburton: xemacs21 should be there soon [03:56] mjg59: there is some scary artwork [03:56] lamont: its all in apart from xemacs21-basesupport [03:56] aes: Does the scary artwork involve people? [03:56] mjg59: not as far as I've seen === rburton wants usplash [03:57] yeah - I fixed xemacs21 last night, will look at the rest of the xemacs-suite [03:57] ok, so ubuntu rocks even more than I thought :) [03:57] Ah, so not the really scary artwork yet [03:57] mjg59: apparently not [03:58] jdub: contact-lookup-applet 0.8 is now in experimental, for when you wake up [03:59] urgh [04:01] mjg59: \o/ UBUNTU === __gotcha [~chatzilla@142-13.247.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu [04:06] rburton: we can't build xemacs21-packages (source for xemacs21-basesupport) because xemacs21-basesupport isn't built. sigh. [04:07] I'll break the circle sometime today or so [04:18] I think the scary artwork was planning to arrive once they'd posed the actual models, rather than the stock footage they used in the mockups... [04:19] hey guys [04:19] lamont: any news from the X buildd front? [04:20] ok, talk of scary artwork is worrying me [04:22] rburton: you're going to love it :) [04:22] oooh let me see [04:23] pleeeease [04:23] I don't have it :) [04:24] noone does [04:24] fabbione: -6ubuntu7 is installed on all 3 [04:24] lamont: good.. i was more thinking about the mime stuff :-) [04:24] rburton: it was more the people that were scary - the actual models aren't so scary [04:25] fabbione: thought about it afterwards - I need to rewrite some perl code into python to fix it, that'll happen sometime soon, but today isn't very likely [04:25] ok. i am planning an upload for tomorrow [04:25] just that you know [04:26] ok. [04:27] it has been observed recently that i386 and powerpc buildds apparently manage to upload (at least most of the time), while amd64 has not been observed to succeed without help [04:28] it's also been observed that some people have been playing too much Mao === fabbione hands a card to thom: "stalking" [04:45] thom: well, yes. But then, I'd have to actually do research to explain the rules definitively... Not entirely sure which buildd's have hacked around the problem and which have not... === lamont wanders off for a while === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-111-1-4-123.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu [04:48] anyone got anything special they'd like people to test in Sounder 7? [04:49] logging in as root to single user? ;-) [04:49] and, of course, TRLS [04:50] oh, I meant to mention the root thing and forgot, thanks [04:50] TRLS? [04:51] totally rad... [04:51] heh, ok [04:54] LS? [04:55] laptop support === ..[topic/#ubuntu:Kamion] : SSDS | http://wiki.no-name-yet.com/ un: sounders, pw: oink | Sounder CD 7 released [05:01] ah [05:10] so, no root password and initial user is sudo [05:11] yup [05:11] can this be skipped? [05:11] what do you mean? === thom chuckles at Kamion [05:11] i've forgotten what d-i actually does here -- can i trivially not setup an initial user and set a root password? [05:11] no, you'd have to fix it up after the install [05:12] alrighty. can i file a bug? :) [05:12] 'sudo passwd root', 'sudo deluser rburton' or whatever [05:12] sure - sounds like an expert mode thing [05:12] i'm planning on ubuntu for our work desktops you see, and i am *so* not putting people in sudoers ;) [05:13] sounds like an excellent reason; we need to collect data on the cases where people don't want this kind of setup [05:13] making it the default for a CD release is a good way to get that data :-) [05:30] thom: What does "Totally Rad Laptop Support" actually involve? [05:31] working acpi, i gotta hope :) [05:31] Haha [05:31] edd: Are you still planning on doing an article on acpi at some point? [05:32] mjg59: yes [05:32] Cool [05:36] mjg59: currently, laptop mode, some acpi stuff that doesn't send machines to sleep permanently, etc [05:36] Cool === sabdf1 [~mark@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu [05:42] kamion: is the copy-on-install magic to boot with "linux anna/choose_module=archive-copier" ? [05:43] choose_modules rather than choose_module [05:43] but yes [05:43] ok [05:44] thanks, testing it now [05:44] you can also boot in expert mode and select archive-copier from the extra bonus udeb list when that appears, then change debconf priority back to critical; but I figured this would be easier than that dance [05:44] also testing install-on-pcmcia-wifi network :-) [05:45] you should see the name archive-copier flick past when it's retrieving installer components from the CD === npmccallum [~npmccallu@24-48-54-75.ironoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu [05:53] kamion: archive-copier looks great [05:53] any attempt to find an optimal sequence? [05:54] doing mkisofs -sort on the CDs has got up to the top three entries on my stack [05:54] it's probably quite suboptimal atm [05:56] three entries> not including having lunch ... hm, let's go and do that now, 5pm is time enough for lunch right? :) [05:57] you're running on new york time. excellent :-) [06:04] Do you have Centrino drivers in the main install? [06:12] kamion: used the archive-copier, but it's still checking for the CD after the reboot [06:14] mjg59: ipw2{1,2}00 you mean? we will do [06:14] But don't yet? [06:14] sabdf1: that's known about [06:14] mjg59: yeah [06:15] sabdf1: yep, as mentioned in the announcement base-config integration isn't complete [06:33] *yawn* [06:35] Kamion: could you add ~/Documents and ~/.Trash to the default skel ? [06:36] I was in the middle of an install so that I could test whether creating ~/.Trash did the right thing ... [06:36] can't some GNOME package just drop them into /etc/skel? [06:36] hm, I guess they need to be there before the initial user is created though, which is before any of Desktop gets installed [06:37] yes ... [06:37] ~/.Trash is created by nautilus [06:37] the thought of having non-dotfiles in /etc/skel just turns me right off :( [06:37] I'll do the same for the applet, so perhaps no need to add it to the skell [06:37] I think that would be better [06:38] but ~/Documents would be nice [06:38] it feels to me that that should only happen for people who log in at a desktop [06:38] remote users have no need for it [06:38] we want to make ~/Documents the standard place for all the apps [06:39] hum, wondering where is the right place to create it [06:39] surely just all desktop apps? [06:39] yes [06:39] right [06:39] so it's a desktop thing :) [06:39] ok :) [06:39] that X -noswitchvt bug is ugly [06:40] Kamion: yeah [06:40] and daniels won't be able to work on it until next monday [06:40] is there any package already using it? [06:41] I assumed that was why I get crap all over my screen before gdm gets round to starting ...? [06:41] hmmmm [06:41] no i don't think so [06:41] try to stop gdm [06:41] and just startx [06:41] kill X === lalo [~lalo@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu [06:41] startx -novtswitch [06:42] is there a root password in the livecd? [06:42] and you should be able to see the difference.. if there is any [06:42] anyway [06:42] i am off for today [06:46] lalo: to be honest I think Alex is really the only person who knows much about how the live CD works right now [06:46] 'Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" perimadeia tty1' [06:46] much better [06:46] Kamion: :-P [06:47] fabbione: seems to do the same kind of thing [06:48] except I'm not sure -novtswitch works there, odd === lalo [~lalo@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has left #ubuntu [] [07:06] Kamion: i am pretty sure the option is broken. gotta go for real [07:31] fabbione, Kamion: usplash will use X -noswitchvt === aes [~andrew@dsl-212-23-23-154.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu [07:53] Kamion: I believe the final scheme for the version number was with a dash (4-10) [07:58] it kept changing, it's possible I got confused [08:00] might want to ping the list [08:19] we rock. or sane rocks, or something. Installed xsane, installed hpoj and It Just Works. [08:19] daniels: speaking of hpoj...... [08:21] what is The Recommended Email Client in ubuntu? Evolution? [08:21] Mithrandir: yes [08:22] evolution and mutt are both available by default [08:22] mozilla-thunderbird is also supported [08:22] /usr/bin/mkisofs: No such file or directory. Invalid node - -sort [08:22] thank you, mkisofs, for your tremendously helpful error messages [08:22] Kamion: wtf? [08:23] evo needs a bit of convincing to build for amd64, though. I'll have to take a look at that as soon as I have ia32-libs and amd64-libs in the archive. [08:23] ah, I think it might be trying to treat -sort as a filename [08:46] kamion: is "Mozilla Web Browser" a dependency, or deliberately installed? [08:47] sabdf1: Desktop has only mozilla-firefox; mozilla-browser is in Ship (so on the CD but not installed by default) [08:48] kamion: it installs by default on sounder7 [08:49] what's the best way to figure out which binary is listening on an open port? [08:50] netstat -anp [08:51] gem :-) [08:52] hm, mozilla-browser is installed by default here too, which is extremely weird [08:53] /var/log/base-config.log suggests something depends on it [08:54] ah, I have a sneaking suspicion that aptitude is being naughty and installing Recommends: [08:55] hey hey hey === jdub is at lhr [08:57] libdevhelp-1-0 Depends: mozilla-browser [08:58] sabdf1: fixed in base-config 2.35ubuntu20 [08:58] according to germinate, it's only in supported [08:58] mdz: indeed. it's a Recommends: thing, fixed [08:58] ah [09:02] OK, CDs hopefully now sorted with all the udebs at the front in Packages file order followed by all the debs in Packages file order [09:02] and the Packages files alphabetically sorted by source then package name [09:03] wonder how long that'll take to rsync ... [09:05] Kamion: oooh [09:05] I thought we decided we wanted debootstrap order for base [09:07] this will do for now [09:07] doing it at all was hard enough, debian-cd being what it is [09:07] mdz: actually, if we're going the archive-copier route we absolutely want this approach [09:07] since archive-copier uses Packages file order [09:08] Kamion: archive-copier would handle base as well? [09:08] yes [09:08] ah [09:08] if you try it in Sounder 7, it runs before base-installer [09:08] I'm burning sounder 7 now [09:10] Kamion: does this include all of the shipseed additions we made in Oxford? [09:10] it's still only 512M [09:10] mdz: that's all entirely automatic now, so yes [09:10] maybe we should add kernel-headers-x.y.z-386 to shipseed too, then [09:10] I got bored of making the changes by hand so I automated it and had it just mail me any changes it made [09:10] that's handy for being able to build a kernel module with only what's on the CD [09:11] and corresponding for other arches, yes [09:11] that's about 25M [09:11] on i386 [09:12] it might even be a good idea to install it by default [09:12] then building kernel modules 'just works' [09:13] we don't even have powerpc kernel headers in Supported at the moment [09:13] that seems like a bug [09:13] yes, please add the right packages [09:13] amd64 as well, if you know which ones we should have === Kamion makes a note [09:14] I guess I'm supposed to pop in now and tell you what package you want for amd64, but I don't remember. [09:14] Mithrandir: it'll be easy to find out === jdub leaves [09:16] lamont: did the xresprobe build on amd64 die? [09:17] it died on one arch with a parse error - emailed daniels about it [09:17] I think it was amd64 [09:18] but that window is busy... [09:18] yeah, I'll try it by hand [09:18] newt has non-PIC in shared libs, fails. [09:18] amd64, that is [09:18] gcc -g -Wall -O2 -c -o ddcprobe.o ddcprobe.c [09:18] ddcprobe.c: In function `main': [09:18] ddcprobe.c:274: error: parse error at end of input [09:18] that's xresprobe/amd64 [09:19] ddcprobe.c has very strange }-inside-#ifdef-itis [09:19] Mithrandir: kernel-headers-`uname -r` should do [09:20] I'm running a non-ubuntu kernel atm, though === Keybuk [scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu [09:20] I should whack the mkinitrd script into supporting sata [09:20] somebody should fix the lunacy from lines 65 to 106 of ddcprobe.c === Gman [~Glynn@amfea-proxy-2.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu === npmccallum [~npmccallu@24-48-54-75.ironoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu [09:52] Mithrandir: indeed [09:52] since a lot of amd64 users only have sata. [09:52] the grub source package is barking [09:53] it contains a patch in debian/patches/ which only changes a file in debian/ [09:53] although fortunately it isn't actually enabled [09:58] Kamion: barking? [09:58] mad [09:58] (UK slang) [09:59] really? and I thought it was a place just outside Reading === Kamion thwaps Keybuk === Kamion watches the LaMont machine grind away on warty-changes [10:06] heh, libtiff [10:06] Kamion: that's about 10 minutes work, all told [10:06] would it be possible to separate warty-changes and universe changes? [10:07] Keybuk: the w-b stuff is all the same place, so somehow I kinda doubt it... [10:07] but then you can look at the body of the message and sort... [10:12] well, universe is ultimately "uninteresting" from a company POV ... and flooding the list with it kinda makes -changes less interesting to subscribe to [10:12] hopefully our community will take an active interest in universe though [10:12] so there should be ongoing updates from trusted maintainers there [10:15] there can be a "too much traffic" problem though, especially if it gets to the level of debian's [10:15] Kamion: archive-copier seems to do the right thing for me, as far as copying [10:16] aptitude and dpkg-preconfigure still read the CD [10:16] hmm [10:17] is it me or is gnome dev current uninstallable [10:17] half seems to depend on libgcrypt7-dev and the other half on libgcrypt11-dev [10:22] ok [10:23] stupid question time [10:23] WHY is glade-gnome-2 in universe and not in warty? [10:23] mdz: apt-cdrom add, too [10:24] Kamion: by the time I logged in on vt2 to look, /var/cache/apt/archives was empty [10:24] I assume something is cleaning up after debootstrap [10:25] base-config cleans it by default [10:25] iirc === sabdfl [~mark@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has left #ubuntu [] [10:29] mdz: oh, damn, I forgot to mention that; you also need to boot with KEEP_DEBS=yes [10:29] ah [10:29] (on the second boot) [10:29] I'll mail sounder@ [10:32] daniels: ping? [10:32] xserver-xfree86 is asking me a question [10:33] mdz: the unmitigated gall of it. :-) [10:34] mdz: apparently this happens when xresprobe can't [10:34] Kamion: yeah, I'm prodding it now. but it was detecting my LCD OK in Oxford [10:35] mdz: please sudo ls /var/spool/postfix/{public,private} [10:35] lamont: both empty [10:36] and the errors were coming out before or after that first reboot? [10:36] I'll assume 'both' [10:37] both [10:37] and every time I run sudo [10:37] does /usr/sbin/postfix stop; /usr/sbin/postfix start make it go away? [10:38]