[12:46] <limi> welcome, earthlings
[12:46] <carlos> stub: did you found the problem with the sqlobject updates?
[12:48] <lalo> what sqlo problem? :-)
[12:48] <stub> carlos: Found two problems. I have fixed one (SQLOS only registering itself with the transaction it was created in, not subsequent transactions), and need to work out the best way of fixing the other (transaction isolation levels mean connections don't see changes made in other handler threads until they too have begun a new transaction, which doesn't happen)
[12:49] <stub> The first fix has not been migrated in yet
[12:49] <carlos> ok
[02:51] <stub> Transaction problems should be nailed as soon as PQM picks up the patch
[02:56] <andrewv> stub: whoo hoo!
[02:56] <andrewv> what was the problem?
[02:58] <limi> andrewv / stub: can we standardize on 4 spaces and no tabs for indenting? ;)
[02:58] <andrewv> in page templates?
[02:59] <limi> yes
[02:59] <stub> I'll reconfigure my '2 space indent' defaults for html and xml
[02:59] <limi> in python too ;)
[02:59] <andrewv> sure
[02:59] <andrewv> i was just checking - i thought all of our python would be 4 spaces
[02:59] <limi> yup
[02:59] <limi> like Guido indented it
[03:00] <stub> I'll run reindent.py on stuff I find that doesn't ;)
[03:00] <limi> thanks
[03:00] <andrewv> i do sometimes use 2 spaces on html just because it can get very, very indented
[03:00] <limi> it's just because I am anal enough to always have to fix it when I see it ;)
[03:00] <andrewv> lol
[03:00] <limi> if it wasn't for me, it wouldn't matter
[03:01] <andrewv> stub and i have slightly different indenting styles in python
[03:01] <stub> limi: As long as you don't mind me trimming your >80 column lines
[03:01] <andrewv> if you look at the malone code you can spot whodid what
[03:03] <andrewv> as long as there aren't tabs or >80 i'm pretty relaxed
[03:06] <limi> hence the anal retentiveness of the code display
[03:06] <limi> ;)
[03:07] <limi> we could go for 2 spaces as indents if you think it would help, but there will be lots of cases where you exceed 80 columns anyway
[03:07] <daf> Limi the Amazing Grumpy Swearing Norwegian :)
[03:08] <limi> hehe
[03:08] <carlos> only 2 spaces?
[03:08] <carlos> please not!!
[03:08] <limi> finally some support ;)
[03:09] <daf> 2 space indentation is wrong
[03:09] <daf> I can live with 4
[03:09] <daf> I don't like really long lines either
[03:09] <limi> ...but you prefer 3?
[03:09] <limi> :] 
[03:10] <daf> no, I want pi spaces :)
[03:10] <carlos> daf: X-)
[03:11] <daf> I just want a terminal emulator that can display characters with irrational sizes
[03:12] <carlos> daf: did you found your brain? Are you awake?
[03:12] <carlos> X-)
[03:12] <limi> irrational sizes like in "2i"?
[03:12] <limi> imaginary sizes for xterm NOW!
[03:13] <daf> limi: no, that's for indenting imaginary code :)
[03:16] <stub> Anyone had a patch go through PQM recently?
[03:20] <carlos> stub: the commit logs shows that last one was from about 30 minutes ago
[03:31] <daf> lalo: is there ever a situation where we would want to call makeMessageSet with update=False?
[03:34] <lalo> let me check
[03:35] <lalo> not AFAIK, but we can't remove the argument, Mark made quite a point on it :-)
[03:35] <daf> the only difference it makes that update=True means that the prior existance check is waived
[03:35] <daf> why not?
[03:35] <lalo> consistency
[03:35] <daf> with what?
[03:35] <lalo> we're in the wrong chanel
[03:36] <daf> let's not worry about that
[03:39] <limi> daf: the xtal trick is actually very useful
[03:40] <limi> should almost be an official policy :)
[03:40] <daf> heh :)
[03:40] <limi> that way I can write pseudoTAL into templates without them breaking
[03:40] <limi> so it's easier for you guys to see how I envision the repeats etc
[03:46] <justdave> if I have a .pyc file is it possible to turn that back into a .py?
[03:48] <justdave> I got bitten by arch
[03:49] <justdave> did a tla add on a file, then decided I didn't want to add it yet, and tried to figure out how to undo it.  opposite of tla add?  tla rm.  except it actually nukes the file instead of just taking it out of arch control.
[03:55] <SteveA> stub: got a few mins to talk to run|osx?
[03:56] <stub> SteveA: Sure
[03:56] <SteveA> stub: /join #sqlos
[04:43] <daf> lalo: thanks for the tea
[04:44] <lalo> np
[04:54] <limi> I love that you guys thank eachother on IRC instead of saying "thank you" when the tea is delivered ;)
[04:59] <daf> lalo: daf@canonical.com--2004/launchpad--devel--0--patch-68 has the (ahem) interesting refactoring work