| mdz | aes: feedback on the menus would be good to have on the sounder list; I believe there's already a thread on it | 12:25 |
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| seb128 | mdz: no, the thread is on warty list | 12:26 |
| mdz | hmm, it should be on sounder | 12:26 |
| seb128 | should probably be moved on sounder | 12:26 |
| seb128 | yes ... | 12:26 |
| lamont | Kamion: I wonder if it would be possible to get the cd-creation code and an rsync-able directory of the ISO contents somewhere - that'd probably go faster than rsync'ing the iso, I think | 12:31 |
| aes | is warty list a list I should be on, or not? | 12:37 |
| mdz | no, that is the list where these discussions took place before we had the sounder list; it is obsolete for that purpose | 12:42 |
| aes | ok | 12:44 |
| Kamion | lamont: the CD-creation code is at http://ftp.no-name-yet.com/cdimage/code/ plus colin.watson@canonical.com--2004/cdimage--mainline--0, but I wouldn't really advise doing it that way at the moment ... | 12:49 |
| Kamion | lamont: you could also try netboot? | 12:50 |
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| lamont | Kamion: yeah, I could at that. What I'm actually going to do is hit an internet cafe in town tonight | 12:58 |
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| Kamion | erk, has the terminal been removed from the menu entirely? | 01:15 |
| mdz | Kamion: Applications->System Tools->Terminal? | 01:16 |
| Kamion | not as of the latest gnome-panel | 01:16 |
| Kamion | (post-Sounder-7) | 01:16 |
| Keybuk | seb reverted that one, didn't he? | 01:19 |
| mdz | it's still there for me | 01:19 |
| Keybuk | system tools jumped menus briefly | 01:19 |
| mdz | gnome-panel 2.7.91-0ubuntu2 | 01:19 |
| Kamion | you can get to it by right-click-on-desktop->Open Terminal, but that really sucks on PowerMacs which only have one mouse button | 01:19 |
| Kamion | ah | 01:19 |
| Kamion | I have 2.7.91.1-0ubuntu2 here | 01:19 |
| Kamion | gnome-vfs2 2.7.91-0ubuntu4 required apparently, ok | 01:21 |
| seb128 | yes | 01:21 |
| seb128 | accidently removed the system tools menu | 01:21 |
| Kamion | good stuff, I was afraid it was deliberate :-) | 01:21 |
| Kamion | thanks for the fix | 01:21 |
| seb128 | you're welcome :) | 01:22 |
| Kamion | mind you we should configure mouse button emulation on powermacs by default, I think ... | 01:22 |
| Oskuro | seb128: the entire menu? nice :D | 01:26 |
| seb128 | Oskuro: that's a sub-menu of Applications dude :) | 01:27 |
| Oskuro | seb128: heh, if I didn't have enough with gtk and nautilus for "big uploads I need to do", I just did abiword to complete the set :) | 01:27 |
| Oskuro | seb128: yeah, still :) | 01:27 |
| seb128 | Oskuro: yes, I've seen that | 01:27 |
| seb128 | Oskuro: but I've not seen the nautilus one | 01:27 |
| seb128 | Oskuro: do you need some help for the uploads ? | 01:28 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: warty base ... has that not been set with priorities? | 01:30 |
| Keybuk | stuff like discover and evms are "optional" according to aptitude | 01:30 |
| Oskuro | seb128: I guess I can manage, but if I haven't done them by tomorrow at 17:00 I guess you could do one of gtk or nautilus | 01:31 |
| Kamion | priorities haven't been changed AFAIK | 01:31 |
| Kamion | hell, they aren't in sync in Debian :-) | 01:31 |
| Keybuk | so what's the easiest way to install base from an existing install? | 01:31 |
| Oskuro | with gtk we need to be very careful first to check it really doesn't need shlib bumping | 01:31 |
| seb128 | Oskuro: ok, just let me know | 01:31 |
| Oskuro | seb128: k | 01:31 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: debootstrap | 01:31 |
| Kamion | (hey, shouldn't debootstrap be in Ship?) | 01:31 |
| Keybuk | will that upgrade an existing machine? | 01:31 |
| Keybuk | I thought it just made new ones? | 01:31 |
| Kamion | confused, what are you trying to do? | 01:32 |
| Kamion | yes, debootstrap constructs new directory trees | 01:32 |
| Keybuk | change my debian/unstable machine into a warty one | 01:32 |
| Kamion | oh, I don't think we have a good way to identify "just base" in that situation ... although I'm not sure why you'd want that | 01:33 |
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| Keybuk | because then it wouldn't be a warty machine? | 01:33 |
| Kamion | warty is more than just base | 01:33 |
| Keybuk | yeah, but isn't having base important? | 01:33 |
| Kamion | if you only have warty main in /etc/apt/sources.list then aptitude will tell you what's obsolete/local | 01:33 |
| Kamion | pkg-diff.py? :) | 01:34 |
| Keybuk | yeah the obsolete/local stuff I've dealt with | 01:34 |
| Keybuk | I've still got a huge bunch of "not installed" packages though | 01:34 |
| Keybuk | and it's not easy to work out which I'm supposed to have | 01:34 |
| Kamion | maybe we should have a "Task: base" so that you can do that easily | 01:34 |
| Kamion | sounds like a reasonable thing to add | 01:35 |
| Kamion | which reminds me, I need to fix aptitude to stop putting Desktop in "Unrecognized tasks" | 01:35 |
| Keybuk | heh | 01:36 |
| mdz | Keybuk: apt-get install `debootstrap --print-debs ...` | 01:39 |
| Kamion | mdz is more awake than I am | 01:41 |
| Kamion | I underestimated how many things were hard-coded into aptitude's source ... like /usr/share/tasksel/debian-tasks.desc | 01:41 |
| mdz | does it work to have a package which is part of multiple tasks? | 01:42 |
| mdz | yes, a base task would be nice | 01:42 |
| Kamion | lots of packages are part of multiple tasks in Debian | 01:44 |
| Kamion | chinese-s, chinese-t and cyrillic-desktop, russian-desktop seem pretty common at a glance | 01:45 |
| Keybuk | ok, so... | 01:45 |
| Keybuk | I have both warty and unstable in sources.list | 01:45 |
| Keybuk | warty is pinned at 750 | 01:45 |
| Keybuk | apt wants to upgrade all the packages over to the unstable ones | 01:45 |
| Keybuk | (they're all the same version as the warty ones) | 01:45 |
| mdz | Keybuk: it doesn't work to have both warty and unstable in sources.list | 01:46 |
| mdz | warty and unstable have packages which have the same version number but are actually different | 01:47 |
| Keybuk | yeah, I'm noticing this | 01:47 |
| Kamion | --\ Tasks | 01:47 |
| Kamion | --\ End-user | 01:47 |
| Kamion | --\ Ubuntu desktop environment | 01:47 |
| Kamion | much better | 01:47 |
| Keybuk | Kamion++ | 01:47 |
| Kamion | I wonder if we shouldn't be calling our tasks "ubuntu-base" and "ubuntu-desktop" though | 01:47 |
| Keybuk | it's kinda annoying ... there are some people who are going to want to cherry-pick from unstable still | 01:47 |
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| Kamion | that way things won't have to break hideously if somebody decides to install tasksel from universe | 01:48 |
| mdz | Keybuk: that's what hoary is for | 01:48 |
| Keybuk | yeah, I guess our release process is fast enough that this isn't going to be a *real* problem | 01:48 |
| mdz | users should never need to go to Debian to get new stuff; we'll have it all in universe | 01:48 |
| Keybuk | have we fired up hoary yet? | 01:49 |
| Keybuk | or is that blocking on me not coding fast enough? :p | 01:49 |
| mdz | exactly | 01:49 |
| mdz | hct star-merge debian | 01:50 |
| Keybuk | heh | 01:50 |
| Keybuk | hct steal debian | 01:50 |
| Keybuk | <g> | 01:50 |
| Keybuk | grep -q off-line /proc/acpi/ac_adapter/*/state | 01:50 |
| Keybuk | ^ did thom not know about "on_ac_power" ? | 01:51 |
| sabdfl | npmccallum: see my bug on grub bootsplash? | 01:56 |
| Keybuk | once we get gold cvs & svn imports available, we'll then be able to put the upstream tarball imports on top, and then add debian and redhat | 01:58 |
| npmccallum | sabdfl: yes, I already responded | 01:58 |
| Keybuk | my plan for debian is to go back to the ubuntu split point using snapshot, and then import every release from there onwards | 01:58 |
| sabdfl | ok | 01:58 |
| npmccallum | sabdfl: Colin already posted a patch, I'll check it tomorrow | 01:58 |
| Keybuk | then we can make an ubuntu branch and import the warty changes with sourcerer onto it | 01:58 |
| npmccallum | sabdfl: I have to get a basic usplash in post-haste | 01:58 |
| Keybuk | and at *that* point, we can branch for hoary | 01:59 |
| Keybuk | there's a lot of cards there though :-/ | 01:59 |
| Kamion | npmccallum: the patch as posted is wrong, but I've tested with a similar change and it's fine | 02:02 |
| Kamion | if [ -n "$boot_device" ] ; then | 02:02 |
| Kamion | splash="${splash#/boot}" | 02:02 |
| Kamion | fi | 02:02 |
| Kamion | echo "splashimage=$grub_root_device$splash" >> $buffer | 02:02 |
| sabdfl | night all | 02:03 |
| npmccallum | Kamion: if it works, can you patch it and upload it? | 02:03 |
| Kamion | npmccallum: sure, let's make it tomorrow though :-) | 02:03 |
| npmccallum | Kamion: np | 02:03 |
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| npmccallum | mdz: we have usplash packages :) | 06:49 |
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| fabbione | morning guys | 07:11 |
| npmccallum | fabbione: morning? I'm going to bed :) | 07:14 |
| fabbione | ehhe | 07:16 |
| fabbione | npmccallum: ain't my fault if you leave in the wrong tz ;) | 07:17 |
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| Mithrandir | good morgning | 08:57 |
| Mithrandir | s/rg/r/; | 08:57 |
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| fabbione | morning Mithrandir | 08:58 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: are you busy? | 08:58 |
| Mithrandir | for a little bit, yes. | 08:59 |
| fabbione | ok. did you have any time to check the changes to apache? | 09:00 |
| fabbione | we are really running out of time now | 09:00 |
| fabbione | Overfiend: never mind.. i get it | 09:03 |
| fabbione | ops | 09:03 |
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| justdave | if anyone read the review I just posted on the sounder list, you know my X is dead. :) Would anyone like to help me fix it? I'm tired of working on console :) | 11:23 |
| justdave | X comes up, but the screen is scrambled | 11:26 |
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| justdave | I'm out of ideas for what to try. (this is on an iBook) | 11:27 |
| fabbione | justdave: sure.. | 11:27 |
| fabbione | first.. apt-get --purge remove xserver-xfree86 | 11:28 |
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| fabbione | then be sure that there is no /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | 11:28 |
| fabbione | apt-get update | 11:28 |
| fabbione | apt-get upgrade | 11:28 |
| fabbione | apt-get install xresprobe discover1 mdetect laptop-detect | 11:29 |
| fabbione | apt-get install xserver-xfree86 | 11:29 |
| fabbione | this should put all the correct things in the right place | 11:29 |
| === ddaa notes that as far as he knowes, the ibook2 video adapter needs some quite voodoo options in the X config. | ||
| fabbione | which kind of magic? | 11:36 |
| fabbione | is there any way to detect that we are working on a ibook2? | 11:36 |
| fabbione | if so what needs to be done to make it working properly? | 11:36 |
| justdave | ok, it's upgrading. | 11:39 |
| === justdave notes that xresprobe says I have no resolution if I run it manually | ||
| fabbione | justdave: than you will get asked for the resolution you want. | 11:40 |
| fabbione | and that's up to you to put reasonable values | 11:40 |
| justdave | ok | 11:40 |
| justdave | it's giving me 1152x864 as the default choice again. | 11:43 |
| === justdave deselects it and picks 1024x768 | ||
| fabbione | justdave: it's a hardencoded choise | 11:44 |
| fabbione | if the probe fails i have no way to know what is the resolution for your laptop | 11:44 |
| justdave | ok | 11:44 |
| justdave | ok, it started, and the video is still scrambled. | 11:45 |
| fabbione | otherwise i wouldn't bother to ask | 11:45 |
| justdave | so I guess we need to figure out what that ibook2 voodoo is :) | 11:45 |
| fabbione | justdave: can you send me /var/log/XFree86.0.log | 11:46 |
| fabbione | yes also | 11:46 |
| fabbione | justdave: but we need to be sure it is possible to recognize that we are working on a ibook2 | 11:46 |
| mjg59 | What's the name of the network applet you're using by default | 11:46 |
| justdave | the model number is available in /proc/(something)/serial-number | 11:48 |
| justdave | :) | 11:48 |
| justdave | what address do I mail it to? | 11:48 |
| fabbione | fabbione@fabbione.net | 11:48 |
| justdave | /proc/device-tree/serial-number | 11:49 |
| justdave | the first three characters are the last three of the serial number, then model number follows, followed by the first 8 of the serial number | 11:50 |
| fabbione | justdave: i have no ppc at home | 11:50 |
| justdave | no clue why it's wrapped around like that, but it is. | 11:50 |
| fabbione | i have no clue of ibook ser numbers but i would like to have something more robust than that | 11:51 |
| justdave | getting a nameserver timeout trying to find your mail server :( | 11:54 |
| fabbione | uh? | 11:55 |
| justdave | my dns is working, I can look up other domain names, but it says "no servers could be reached" when I try fabbione.net | 11:56 |
| fabbione | yes i am checking | 11:56 |
| justdave | the mail is going to bounce anyway, postfix seems to think my domain name is ibook.rieo.kni | 11:57 |
| fabbione | the isp where my dns's are hosted is down | 11:57 |
| fabbione | crap | 11:57 |
| justdave | I was on the hotel's LAN when it was installed, so that's what it stuck in the main.cf file. heh | 12:00 |
| fabbione | justdave | 12:01 |
| justdave | ok, postfix config is fixed. I mailed it again, but it's queued since your dns it down. you'll get it eventually :) | 12:01 |
| fabbione | justdave: did X work while we were in Oxford? | 12:01 |
| justdave | yes. | 12:02 |
| fabbione | without any magic? | 12:02 |
| justdave | I had sid that I overwrote with warty via apt-get dist-upgrade | 12:02 |
| justdave | which was kind of flaky in other places, but X worked. | 12:02 |
| justdave | on Friday I backed up my home directory, wiped it, and did a clean install of warty 6 | 12:03 |
| fabbione | justdave: in that case X config was not overwritten | 12:03 |
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| justdave | so my X config from sid would probably work, except that I didn't save it. | 12:04 |
| justdave | I did get it to work *once* after installing warty 6, but I haven't been able to repeat it again since. | 12:04 |
| justdave | that was after a remove --purge and reinstalling the package off the CD. | 12:05 |
| fabbione | justdave: please try this: edit your X config file | 12:05 |
| justdave | but after getting the newer one from the online repository, I couldn't get it to work again, even after reverting to the one on the CD | 12:05 |
| fabbione | go to Section "Monitor" | 12:05 |
| fabbione | and add these 2 lines: | 12:05 |
| fabbione | HorizSync "28-49" | 12:06 |
| fabbione | VertRefresh "43-72" | 12:06 |
| fabbione | restart X | 12:07 |
| justdave | ok, it won't even start now. | 12:08 |
| justdave | just get the error dialog from GDM saying it's going to disable it | 12:08 |
| fabbione | justdave: i need to see the log | 12:08 |
| fabbione | at least the last part of it with the error | 12:08 |
| === fabbione justdave copy and paste here | ||
| fabbione | ops | 12:08 |
| justdave | I'm on console, not sure how to do that | 12:09 |
| fabbione | justdave: ssh ? | 12:09 |
| fabbione | put it on a web somewhere? | 12:09 |
| fabbione | chinstrap? | 12:09 |
| fabbione | anywhere it's fine | 12:09 |
| justdave | oh, that's a thought. | 12:09 |
| justdave | hang on | 12:09 |
| justdave | http://www.justdave.net/XFree86.0.log | 12:12 |
| justdave | hmm, that's obvious in that log... | 12:14 |
| === justdave pokes at the config | ||
| justdave | hmm, it *is* followed by a range of numbers. | 12:14 |
| fabbione | <fabbione> HorizSync "28-49" | 12:15 |
| fabbione | try to remove the "" | 12:15 |
| fabbione | yeah it's without "" | 12:15 |
| fabbione | also for the Vertical | 12:15 |
| justdave | done, works :) :) | 12:16 |
| fabbione | is X scrambled now? | 12:16 |
| justdave | nope, it's perfect | 12:16 |
| === fabbione would like to cross-burn someone | ||
| fabbione | justdave: thanks | 12:16 |
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| justdave | fabbione: thank you much for the assistance. :) | 12:18 |
| === justdave will be back shortly from xchat :) | ||
| hrdwrbob_ | hm | 12:18 |
| hrdwrbob_ | time for ubuntu instlal on this box | 12:18 |
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| justdave | irssi is actually quite nice for a text client. | 12:19 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu: SSDS | http://wiki.no-name-yet.com/ un: sounders, pw: oink | Sounder CD 7 released | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu): set by Kamion at Tue Aug 24 16:57:26 2004 | ||
| fabbione | justdave: you around? | 01:17 |
| fabbione | anybody with a ppc? | 01:18 |
| hrdwrbob_ | no sorry | 01:22 |
| hrdwrbob_ | four intels no ppc :/ | 01:22 |
| fabbione | hrdwrbob_: thanks | 01:22 |
| === fabbione just needs to know if uname -m on ppc returns alway powerpc | ||
| thom | I DID HAVE, until some fascist stole it | 01:22 |
| Mithrandir | thom: how do you know he wasn't a liberal, or a labourer? | 01:23 |
| thom | royal% uname -m | 01:23 |
| thom | ppc | 01:23 |
| hrdwrbob_ | thom: have you located, beaqten, subdued, hung, drawn, quarted, and smacked the suspected perpetrator?? | 01:23 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: I think it might return ppc64 as well | 01:23 |
| fabbione | also on custom kernel? | 01:23 |
| thom | that's a patched but basically standard debian kernel | 01:23 |
| fabbione | xresprobe uses $ARCH to detect if we are on ppc... | 01:24 |
| fabbione | but $ARCH isn't set anywhere | 01:24 |
| fabbione | so i need to find a way other than dpkg-architecture to detect it | 01:24 |
| fabbione | perhaps /proc/cpuinfo ? | 01:25 |
| thom | there are ppc boxes that don't say 'ppc' to uname -m? | 01:25 |
| fabbione | thom: i would love to know that... | 01:26 |
| === fabbione doesn't have ppc | ||
| thom | i doubt there are | 01:27 |
| fabbione | ok... | 01:27 |
| fabbione | thom: can you do a test for me if you can? but you will have to exit X | 01:28 |
| fabbione | ah no | 01:28 |
| fabbione | never mind.. | 01:28 |
| fabbione | i need justdave to do it | 01:29 |
| Kamion | I can't imagine any answers other than ppc or ppc64 ever | 01:31 |
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| justdave | dave@ibook [12:32 malone 43] tcsh> uname -m | 01:33 |
| justdave | ppc | 01:33 |
| fabbione | justdave: please test this for me: | 01:34 |
| fabbione | export ARCH=powerpc | 01:34 |
| fabbione | xresprobe | 01:34 |
| justdave | Driver must be specified. | 01:35 |
| fabbione | justdave: well specify a driver please | 01:35 |
| justdave | dave@ibook [12:34 malone 48] tcsh> xresprobe ati | 01:35 |
| justdave | grep: /tmp/xprobe.7357/xfree86.log: No such file or directory | 01:35 |
| justdave | grep: /tmp/xprobe.7357/xfree86.log: No such file or directory | 01:35 |
| justdave | id: Generic Laptop LCD | 01:35 |
| justdave | res: | 01:35 |
| justdave | dave@ibook [12:35 malone 49] tcsh> xresprobe r128 | 01:35 |
| justdave | id: Generic Laptop LCD | 01:35 |
| justdave | res: | 01:35 |
| fabbione | justdave: which version? | 01:35 |
| fabbione | ok | 01:36 |
| fabbione | thanks | 01:36 |
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| justdave | ii xresprobe 0.2-0ubuntu2 X Resolution Probe | 01:36 |
| === Kamion notes this in the netcfg changelog in d-i svn: | ||
| Kamion | - Give the user a choice to leave the network unconfigured if nothing is | 02:25 |
| Kamion | plugged in. (Closes: #264476) | 02:25 |
| Kamion | I think I'll do a merge | 02:25 |
| sladen | ...or even if it is eg, it's detected the hotel wireless but using that (because it doesn't work) will fsck the rest of the install process over | 02:26 |
| justdave | yeah, I had that problem this morning trying to mail logs to fabbione... | 02:27 |
| justdave | the laptop wound up with the hotel LAN's domain name in the postfix config | 02:27 |
| Kamion | wireless detection is at a separate layer in netcfg, will look at it separately | 02:27 |
| === Kamion is desperately trying to pull the netcfg problems apart to the point where he can look at them one at a time | ||
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| lamont | justdave: dhcp is not always your friend. | 02:43 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: for future reference, it's "#, fuzzy", not "# , fuzzy" | 02:47 |
| === Kamion is fixing netcfg now after debconf-updatepo did fun things | ||
| Mithrandir | Kamion: ahkay, I copied stuff off somewhere else. | 03:01 |
| fabbione | can anybody kindly confirm me if xresprobe has been accepted? | 03:27 |
| fabbione | (i am without mails) | 03:27 |
| mdz | *yawn* morning | 03:37 |
| mdz | fabbione: version? | 03:38 |
| fabbione | 0.3-0ubuntu1 | 03:38 |
| mdz | -rw-r--r-- 637 2004-08-25 14:25 xresprobe_0.3-0ubuntu1.dsc | 03:38 |
| mdz | source is in the archive | 03:38 |
| mdz | no binaries yet | 03:38 |
| fabbione | mdz: thanks | 03:39 |
| fabbione | no problem about the binaries... they can wait | 03:39 |
| Kamion | mdz: working on upgrading our netcfg to be based on Debian 1.01, which has several fixes we want; hope that's ok | 03:44 |
| mdz | Kamion: if you're ok, I'm ok | 03:46 |
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| thom | Kamion: remind me how to get d-i to select the "copy all debs to disk" udeb? | 04:05 |
| Kamion | thom: boot with anna/choose_modules=archive-copier | 04:07 |
| Kamion | thom: and remember to boot with KEEP_DEBS=yes on the first reboot | 04:07 |
| thom | right | 04:08 |
| thom | thanks | 04:08 |
| thom | booting with APIC *utterly* fries my desktop - the installer just randomly hangs :/ | 04:08 |
| mjg59 | Which network applet are you guys using by default? | 04:10 |
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| lamont | mdz: tetex-base appears to have a bug related to dh_fixperms :-( | 04:15 |
| mdz | lamont: _another_ bug? grr... | 04:15 |
| lamont | that's the /var/cache/fonts/* perms issue | 04:16 |
| mdz | this package has problems | 04:16 |
| lamont | it sets them to 1777, and then (I think - verifying now) dh_fixperms "fixes" them to 755 | 04:16 |
| lamont | s/has/is/ :( | 04:16 |
| mdz | Kamion: oh, forgot to mention...I did another round of sounder 7 testing using archive-copier and KEEP_DEBS=yes; seemed to work perfectly | 04:16 |
| lamont | verified broken in current-sid... time to fix and fiel | 04:18 |
| Kamion | mdz: kewl | 04:20 |
| rburton | hm, print in xpdf doesn't work for me | 04:22 |
| rburton | looks like it neglects a formfeed to get the printer to actually print | 04:23 |
| mdz | printing works in other apps? | 04:24 |
| rburton | not all | 04:24 |
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| Kamion | mdz: that iftab thing in netcfg could go upstream, couldn't it? | 04:25 |
| mdz | Kamion: I assume so | 04:26 |
| thom | Kamion: um, current sounder daily seems well and truly unhappy | 04:31 |
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| thom | didn't start base-config after the reboot, no /etc/network/interfaces, no entry in sudoers | 04:32 |
| thom | on i386, this is | 04:34 |
| Kamion | no idea how that could happen | 04:36 |
| Kamion | it was fine yesterday | 04:36 |
| thom | trying it again | 04:36 |
| thom | this system throws up some entertainments | 04:37 |
| thom | ooh, that's a fun one | 04:45 |
| thom | my dvd-rom drive only admits to being a dvd drive, not a cdrom drive. so /dev/dvd -> /dev/hdc and /dev/cdrom -> /dev/hdd | 04:46 |
| thom | (hdd is the rewriter) | 04:46 |
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| edd | oh, ubuntu's metacity has some composite smarts, it seems. nice. | 04:51 |
| mdz | daniels: ping | 04:53 |
| daniels | mdz: pong | 04:53 |
| mdz | daniels: are you logged into jabber from someplace else? tried to reach you there first | 04:53 |
| daniels | mdz: er, afaik I haven't been logged into Jabber for the last 48h. what's up? | 04:54 |
| fabbione | was xresprobe 0.3-0ubuntu2 accepted? | 04:54 |
| mdz | fabbione: not yet | 04:55 |
| fabbione | hmm i uploaded it 15 minutes ago.... | 04:55 |
| fabbione | elmo: is katie running? | 04:55 |
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| whiprush | will any mono apps be bundled with core? Or are they just going to remain in "universe"? | 05:00 |
| Keybuk | whiprush: hoary probably; we froze warty before mono 1.0 | 05:01 |
| whiprush | ah, k. | 05:01 |
| Keybuk | and even the Ximian guys aren't hugely pushing the mono apps yet, so hoary is probably the right timeframe for it anyway | 05:01 |
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| whiprush | I think I'm already addicted to f-spot is all. | 05:02 |
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| mjg59 | thom: What happened to the dreadful laptops? | 05:52 |
| thom | kamion has the C3 and the amd, iirc | 05:53 |
| thom | seb got the tosh | 05:53 |
| mjg59 | Right, I need to harass Colin then | 05:54 |
| mjg59 | thom: Ultra-rad laptop support should include netapplet | 05:55 |
| thom | mjg59: i was thinking that | 05:55 |
| mjg59 | Haha | 05:55 |
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| mjg59 | Have you tested it? | 05:55 |
| edd | it's very nice | 05:56 |
| thom | gonna talk to jdub when he gets back | 05:56 |
| mjg59 | Cool | 05:56 |
| thom | i'm amd64 monkey currently | 05:56 |
| mjg59 | I've just fixed a bug that meant it picked up multiple copies of the same interface if ipv6 was being used | 05:56 |
| mjg59 | It still doesn't deal with mapping stanzas, but other than that it seems pretty solid | 05:56 |
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| thom | cool | 05:56 |
| edd | mjg59: looks like the netapplet has the same bug about the notification area disappearing that many apps have, sigh | 06:02 |
| daniels | edd: i suspect that's the one psi has | 06:02 |
| mjg59 | edd: Which one is that? | 06:02 |
| mjg59 | I had someone complaining that they couldn't see the icon, but could click on it | 06:02 |
| daniels | edd: half the time, psi just kicks up a new window with its notification icon, instead of using the area | 06:03 |
| edd | it's crash-on-re-add notif area | 06:03 |
| daniels | sometimes that window is blank, and the icon is in the panel's area | 06:03 |
| edd | daniels: sounds like a different bug | 06:03 |
| Kamion | mjg59: what about them? | 06:03 |
| edd | mjg59: this one's caused by c&p from broken code in libegg example. rhythmbox and gnome-obex-server get it right. | 06:03 |
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| edd | mjg59: if i get the energy i'll make a patch | 06:04 |
| daniels | edd: rad | 06:04 |
| mjg59 | edd: Thanks - that sounds good | 06:04 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: Getting hold of the dsdt from the C3 would be good, if possible | 06:04 |
| edd | and meanwhile i spit flaming plastic death at libegg | 06:04 |
| Kamion | mjg59: what's a dsdt? | 06:04 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: What you get when you cat /proc/acpi/dsdt :) | 06:04 |
| mjg59 | It's the table that tells the ACPI interpreter how to manage the hardware | 06:05 |
| Kamion | ok, I haven't taken the C3 out of its box yet actually, but remind me tomorrow | 06:05 |
| Kamion | or if it's more urgent I'll make time this evening | 06:05 |
| daniels | it's not urgent. he's been waiting weeks already, he can deal with some more ;) | 06:06 |
| mjg59 | Heh | 06:06 |
| mjg59 | Yeah, it's not urgent | 06:06 |
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| Kamion | it's getting quite scary | 06:06 |
| thom | gaim is broken wrt notification area, too | 06:07 |
| mjg59 | Why did you end up with the C3? Just for C3 testing, or because you have sinned? | 06:07 |
| daniels | Kamion: well, clearly you have no need for that grey pos and can send it to me ;) | 06:08 |
| Kamion | mjg59: I suspect a bit of both :-) | 06:09 |
| Kamion | mjg59: Mark wanted to arrange for me to have more scary installer-testing facilities, I think | 06:09 |
| Kamion | the amd is being incredibly useful as a source of entirely trashable disk | 06:10 |
| Kamion | so I can actually answer yes to "Erase entire disk?" without being terrified | 06:11 |
| thom | yay, xscreensaver segfaults on amd64 | 06:11 |
| thom | how lovely | 06:11 |
| Mithrandir | thom: it does? | 06:12 |
| thom | it just did, but i have no idea what module it was trying to run | 06:12 |
| thom | most modules seem fine | 06:12 |
| Mithrandir | blank works very stable. :) | 06:12 |
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| thom | heh | 06:13 |
| mjg59 | thom: 3D failure? | 06:13 |
| thom | 0: child pid 5066 (noof) exited abnormally | 06:15 |
| thom | wee! | 06:15 |
| thom | i wish xscreensaver didn't suck so hard | 06:16 |
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| thom | noof is one of the nice ones, too | 06:16 |
| daniels | Kamion: you have an amd64? | 06:16 |
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| Mithrandir | daniels: all cool people have amd64s | 06:19 |
| daniels | Mithrandir: bah | 06:19 |
| thom | Mithrandir: so just you and me then? ;-) | 06:19 |
| Mithrandir | thom: yup ;) | 06:20 |
| Kamion | daniels: not quite yet | 06:25 |
| daniels | Kamion: rad | 06:27 |
| Kamion | I think netcfg 1.01ubuntu1 should be a considerable improvement; it doesn't ask me those IP address questions when I'm without a network card, now. | 06:42 |
| Kamion | I might do an ubuntu2 to make it ask you if you forgot to plug the network cable in | 06:42 |
| Md | there should be a way to check if there is no link, but I can't remember it... | 06:44 |
| Kamion | netcfg's already doing that | 06:45 |
| Kamion | it uses mii-diag | 06:45 |
| Kamion | right, add "... if mii-diag said the card was unlinked" to the end of what I said | 06:45 |
| Kamion | I keep being surprised every time another Debian person shows up here :-) | 06:46 |
| Kamion | "eth0 does not seem to be connected to any sort of network. This could be due to a missing network cable or network adapter malfunction. ..." | 06:47 |
| Kamion | bingo | 06:47 |
| daniels | word | 06:48 |
| mdz | npmccallum: after setting up vesafb, I get: Starting Ubuntu..., delay while initrd runs, nice animation, then some kernel messages overwrite parts of it, then a black screen with scrolling text while the animation continues to play only in the center of the screen | 06:53 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: What does mii-diag output if you're using coax rather than rj45? | 06:53 |
| mdz | perhaps console= is also needed? | 06:53 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: "crack"? :) | 06:53 |
| mjg59 | Actually, I can test this... | 06:53 |
| mdz | mjg59: you can? ewww | 06:54 |
| mjg59 | mdz: My network setup partially dates back to the time when I couldn't afford a hub | 06:55 |
| mjg59 | SIOCGMIIPHY on eth0 failed: Operation not supported | 06:55 |
| mjg59 | Haha | 06:55 |
| Kamion | mjg59: haven't the foggiest idea | 06:55 |
| npmccallum | mdz: try sticking -- /bin/echo "0 0 0 0" > /proc/sys/kernel/printk -- in mountvirtfs just after the -- domount proc "" /proc -- line | 06:55 |
| mjg59 | Oops - that's entirely the wrong machine | 06:56 |
| Kamion | new netcfg gives you the option to configure the network statically, anyway (defaulting to "no, just go ahead and ignore the network please") | 06:56 |
| npmccallum | mdz: also, does your kernel cmdline have console=tty1? | 06:56 |
| Kamion | if mii-diag fails | 06:56 |
| mjg59 | Ok, it gives me SIOCGMIIPHY on eth0 failed: Operation not supported on an ne2000 | 06:57 |
| npmccallum | mdz: actually, with the console=tty1 option, you may not need the echo line | 06:57 |
| mjg59 | It also gives me that if I run it on a wireless card | 06:57 |
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| npmccallum | mdz: you *do* still need the echo line | 07:04 |
| mdz | npmccallum: I tried with console=tty1; no difference | 07:07 |
| npmccallum | mdz: are you getting initscript messages? or kernel messages? | 07:08 |
| npmccallum | mdz: if kernel, you need to add the echo line I mentioned | 07:08 |
| mdz | initially, only kernel messages | 07:08 |
| mdz | then init script messages | 07:08 |
| npmccallum | mdz: you get initscript messages after init switches to runlevel 2? | 07:09 |
| mdz | I'm retrying after setting kernel.printk; I'll let you know | 07:09 |
| mdz | ok, that silenced the messages | 07:10 |
| mdz | however, the screen is still cleared to a black background | 07:10 |
| npmccallum | at what point? | 07:11 |
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| mdz | I have no point of reference | 07:11 |
| mdz | several seconds before gdm starts | 07:11 |
| npmccallum | this is on an ubuntu system? | 07:11 |
| mdz | of course | 07:11 |
| npmccallum | the only thing that can cause that is echoing a clear screen escape command to that terminal | 07:12 |
| npmccallum | you get white first, then black? | 07:13 |
| daniels | mdz: this could be to do with vt switching being pure crap on your chipset maybe | 07:13 |
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| mdz | npmccallum: correct | 07:14 |
| npmccallum | mdz: at what point does gdm load on your system? Sxx in runlevel 2? | 07:14 |
| mdz | npmccallum: ubuntu default | 07:14 |
| mdz | this is a fresh install as of yesterday | 07:14 |
| npmccallum | mdz: which is what? | 07:14 |
| mdz | sounder 7 + upgrades | 07:14 |
| mdz | npmccallum: rc2.d/S99 | 07:15 |
| npmccallum | mdz: what happens when you move gdm forward to S01 (that is where it runs on my system)? | 07:15 |
| npmccallum | mdz: It doesn't use the logger or anything like that, so it doens't actually depend on anything in runlevel2 | 07:16 |
| mdz | npmccallum: no change | 07:17 |
| npmccallum | mdz: still blanks to black? | 07:17 |
| mdz | the change to black background still happens before gdm starts | 07:18 |
| npmccallum | can I get a list of what you have in rcS.d? | 07:18 |
| mdz | npmccallum: it's a stock ubuntu desktop install | 07:18 |
| mdz | if I had to guess, I'd say it's probably when the console font is being set | 07:19 |
| mdz | npmccallum: you have the same laptop that I do; you don't see this? | 07:19 |
| npmccallum | mdz: I don't | 07:19 |
| npmccallum | My transitions nicely into gdm | 07:20 |
| mdz | I think there are just too many variables here for Warty | 07:20 |
| mdz | let's get it into hoary as soon as it opens up, and do it right from there | 07:20 |
| npmccallum | ok | 07:20 |
| mdz | thanks for all of the work you've put into it; I think it's going to be great, but we just need more time than we have available for Warty | 07:21 |
| npmccallum | no problem | 07:23 |
| npmccallum | things have to get cut | 07:23 |
| mdz | hoary should give us plenty of time to sort out choosing modes and initializing the framebuffer, the initrd stuff, etc. | 07:24 |
| npmccallum | mdz: I was actually looking at rhgb | 07:24 |
| npmccallum | just to see what they've done | 07:24 |
| mdz | it's certainly pretty | 07:25 |
| npmccallum | they just assume that /usr is mounted | 07:25 |
| npmccallum | then they just load standard X with -nolock | 07:26 |
| npmccallum | I was talking with daniels about that we could possibly embed kdrive and statically link gtk, which would give us a lot of freedom | 07:27 |
| Kamion | would be fun with gtk security updates ... | 07:27 |
| npmccallum | yeah | 07:27 |
| npmccallum | or | 07:28 |
| npmccallum | we can just check for /usr and don't run if its not mounted | 07:28 |
| Kamion | ok, time to get rid of that ssh-askpass-gnome.desktop | 07:28 |
| thom | mdz: is totally rad laptop support a feature goal? | 07:28 |
| npmccallum | we don't have to embed or statically link anything in that case | 07:28 |
| npmccallum | having /usr on the root fs is a fairly safe requirement for desktop installs | 07:29 |
| mdz | thom: depends on your next question :-) | 07:29 |
| Kamion | or run in some degraded mode that doesn't include gtk | 07:29 |
| Kamion | dunno, I think you might be surprised at how much even some desktop users like to customize their partition layout | 07:29 |
| Kamion | I know we don't default to that, but ... | 07:29 |
| mdz | couldn't we use something like the tinyx server if we used an rhgb approach? | 07:29 |
| thom | mdz: netapplet is utterly rad... | 07:29 |
| npmccallum | mdz: yes, we could... does tinyx run on vesa? | 07:30 |
| daniels | mdz: uhm, tinyx is pre-kdrive | 07:30 |
| daniels | kdrive is a renamed, and slightly forked, tinyx | 07:31 |
| daniels | by forcing several features out, you can make kdrive really small | 07:31 |
| mdz | npmccallum: it uses fbdev, at least the way I've built it in the past | 07:31 |
| daniels | so we could have a kdrive-tiny, or whatever | 07:31 |
| mdz | it doesn't need to be particularly tiny, as long as it doesn't require stuff like /usr | 07:31 |
| npmccallum | if we do use x/gtk we could have status icons pop up, and if an error occurs, click on the icon for text :) | 07:31 |
| mdz | tinyx could be built to run basically standalone, with no config file, modules, etc. | 07:31 |
| mdz | which is what we would want | 07:31 |
| npmccallum | right | 07:32 |
| npmccallum | mdz: why are we making all kinds of exceptions for non root /usr? just make it a requirement... | 07:32 |
| npmccallum | if /usr isn't on the root fs, don't run | 07:32 |
| mdz | npmccallum: well, we also want it to be simple and start up very quickly | 07:33 |
| npmccallum | mdz: agreed | 07:33 |
| npmccallum | that would be one of my feature goals | 07:33 |
| mdz | tinyx starts up in about 1 second on my Zaurus (200MHz ARM) | 07:33 |
| thom | mdz: http://tech9.net/rml/log/2004082401 | 07:33 |
| mdz | thom: looks like a totally rad hoary feature :-) | 07:34 |
| npmccallum | daniels: how does kdrive rate against a one second startup? | 07:34 |
| thom | mdz: and indeed http://www.nat.org/2004/august/ | 07:34 |
| thom | mdz: i *knew* you were gonna say that | 07:35 |
| thom | :-) | 07:35 |
| mdz | f-spot is one of those scary mono things, right? | 07:35 |
| Kamion | yes | 07:35 |
| thom | yep, ignoring f-spot, even though it is rad with a k | 07:36 |
| Kamion | is mono still using binfmt-support? | 07:36 |
| Kamion | I'll be unhappy if not, since I implemented some quite complicated stuff just for them :) | 07:36 |
| mjg59 | It doesn't have a lot of choice | 07:36 |
| Kamion | maybe I should make that bit be shell rather than perl, though | 07:36 |
| daniels | npmccallum: not quite sure, but it's pretty damn quick. most of it is, of course, in the mode switch :\ | 07:36 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: Yeah, mono-common depends on binfmt-support | 07:37 |
| npmccallum | daniels: can we make kdrive use vesa without a mode switch (ie. if use the current mode)? | 07:37 |
| Kamion | excellent | 07:37 |
| npmccallum | daniels: that is what xdirectfb does and its fast | 07:37 |
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| mdz | daniels: well, if the framebuffer is already initialized, then there should be no mode switch | 07:38 |
| daniels | npmccallum: maybe it already does that | 07:38 |
| daniels | i'll check it out when i get back | 07:38 |
| daniels | gotta run for a bit now | 07:38 |
| Keybuk | thom: netapplet disappointed me somewhat | 07:44 |
| sladen | ? | 07:45 |
| thom | Keybuk: how so? | 07:45 |
| thom | it's pretty frickin' awesome | 07:46 |
| Keybuk | well, it's just a not-applet for switching the active interface | 07:46 |
| Keybuk | the way it was hyped to me I was expecting HAL integration of local wireless networks and other fun things | 07:46 |
| thom | i'm guessing that's the end game | 07:47 |
| thom | hal doesn't do wireless at all right now iirc | 07:47 |
| Keybuk | indeed not | 07:47 |
| Keybuk | I've been kinda thinking about the non-wireless side of wifid as a result though | 07:48 |
| Keybuk | would be cool to use netapplet as a UI for wifid | 07:48 |
| daniels | last i checked, hal not doing wireless was NOTABUG | 07:50 |
| daniels | there was a large discussion about it on hal@ a while back, during which it was concluded that most wireless stuff was out of scope, iirc | 07:50 |
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| SteveA | how do I get flash plugins working in warty? | 07:51 |
| mdz | SteveA: apt-get install swf-player | 07:51 |
| Keybuk | don't see what's wrong with it, I kinda like the idea of seeing link strength of adjacent networks through hal | 07:52 |
| mdz | in firefox anyway | 07:52 |
| Keybuk | makes writing applets so much easier :p | 07:52 |
| thom | gar! i wish xscreensaver didn't suck quite so hard | 07:52 |
| daniels | Keybuk: heh | 07:52 |
| daniels | thom: still? | 07:52 |
| Kamion | SteveA: (that's in universe) | 07:52 |
| SteveA | mdz: thanks. I was searching in synaptic for names with "flash" in, not "swf" | 07:52 |
| mjg59 | swf-player is barely a flash plugin... | 07:52 |
| thom | or, in this case, test that fortune exists before trying to run it, and if not, move on | 07:53 |
| Kamion | or we could install fortune ... | 07:53 |
| Kamion | xscreensaver is sitting permuting "No such file or directory" around the amd's screen at the moment | 07:53 |
| thom | Kamion: well, that would work, but a bit of robustness is never a bad thing :-) | 07:53 |
| daniels | Keybuk: maybe this thread: http://freedesktop.org/pipermail/hal/2004-May/000170.html | 07:53 |
| daniels | thom: HEH | 07:54 |
| mdz | Kamion: yes | 07:54 |
| mdz | in fact, let's take care of that now, because it keeps coming up and I keep forgetting about it | 07:54 |
| mdz | my only issue with fortune is that it has a lot of shitty fortunes | 07:54 |
| mdz | shall we just clean it out and add it to desktop? | 07:55 |
| Kamion | ubuntu-fortunes? :-) | 07:55 |
| thom | as long as there is NO mention of ssl certs :P | 07:55 |
| Kamion | we can have fortune-mod without all the actual data, can't we? | 07:55 |
| sladen | Kamion: is that the xscreensaver-fortunes when fortune isnt installed? | 07:55 |
| Kamion | sladen: yes | 07:55 |
| Mithrandir | thom: please, just a small ssl cert fortune? | 07:55 |
| Mithrandir | ;) | 07:55 |
| thom | Mithrandir: NO! | 07:55 |
| Keybuk | daniels: yeah, read that one | 07:55 |
| thom | ;-P | 07:55 |
| thom | yay, bumbps terminated with SIGSEGV | 07:56 |
| Keybuk | setting the essid through HAL is silly because should HAL then kill dhclient and restore the static IP settings needed for *that* essid? | 07:56 |
| Keybuk | besideswhich, iwlib sucks | 07:56 |
| mdz | Kamion: why is it named 'fortune-mod' anyway? | 07:56 |
| Kamion | mdz: I've often wondered that | 07:56 |
| Kamion | "modified" from BSD? | 07:57 |
| mdz | Kamion: come to look, fortunes-min is actually pretty reasonable | 07:57 |
| mdz | it's 'fortunes' that has all the crap | 07:57 |
| Kamion | wow, the jumping cow screensaver is stunning | 07:57 |
| Kamion | we should so do a jumping warthog | 07:57 |
| thom | bouncing cow is genius | 07:58 |
| mdz | fortune-mod added to desktop | 07:59 |
| Keybuk | talking of which ... hal doesn't work on warty | 08:00 |
| mdz | considering that's entirely untrue, perhaps you can be a bit more specific? | 08:01 |
| Keybuk | starts then exits | 08:01 |
| Keybuk | trying to figure out why atm | 08:01 |
| npmccallum | Keybuk: I have the same problem | 08:02 |
| npmccallum | Keybuk: though, I installed debian's kernel-image-2.6.8 and it seems to work, go figure | 08:02 |
| Kamion | seems to be working for me | 08:02 |
| Kamion | are we going to take 2.6.8? | 08:03 |
| mdz | works for me | 08:03 |
| mdz | Kamion: quite likely | 08:03 |
| mdz | considering 2.6.7 has security issues | 08:03 |
| Keybuk | aha | 08:03 |
| Keybuk | it's core dumping | 08:03 |
| Kamion | mdz: s'what I thought | 08:04 |
| mdz | hal logs a lot of garbage to syslog, though | 08:04 |
| mdz | Aug 25 11:03:52 localhost hald: [W] linux/osspec.c:700 handle_udev_node_created_found_device() : No HAL device corresponding to device file /dev/vcs2 | 08:04 |
| Keybuk | mdz: what kernel are you running? | 08:04 |
| doko | why isn't 2.6.8.1 not packaged yet? | 08:04 |
| mdz | Keybuk: stock Warty | 08:04 |
| npmccallum | mdz: Is there a reason we haven't sync'd to 2.6.8 yet? | 08:05 |
| mdz | npmccallum: yes, we're expecting a custom package | 08:05 |
| npmccallum | ooh :) | 08:05 |
| Keybuk | syndicate hal# hald --daemon=no | 08:07 |
| Keybuk | (process:5222): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: instance with invalid (NULL) class pointer | 08:07 |
| Keybuk | (process:5222): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: file gsignal.c: line 2121 (g_signal_emit_valist): assertion `G_TYPE_CHECK_INSTANCE (instance)' failed | 08:07 |
| Keybuk | *more splurge* | 08:07 |
| Keybuk | zsh: segmentation fault (core dumped) hald --daemon=no | 08:07 |
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| Keybuk | npmccallum: what wifi card have you got in that thinkpad of yours? | 08:15 |
| sladen | Keybuk: atheros | 08:15 |
| Keybuk | heh, snap | 08:15 |
| Keybuk | if I tear down the card and modules hald starts | 08:16 |
| Keybuk | as soon as I bring it back up, hald core dumps | 08:16 |
| sladen | whereas /me has an orinoco :) | 08:16 |
| npmccallum | Keybuk: madwifi | 08:16 |
| Keybuk | Aug 25 19:16:44 syndicate hald: [E] linux/net_class_device.c:138 mdio_read() : SIOCGMIIREG on ath0 failed: Cannot allocate memory | 08:16 |
| npmccallum | Keybuk: oh, I know this bug | 08:16 |
| Keybuk | didn't I see that in scrollback? | 08:16 |
| npmccallum | Keybuk: its fixed now upstream | 08:16 |
| npmccallum | Keybuk: I made a patch for it one time a while back | 08:17 |
| npmccallum | Keybuk: let me get the patch | 08:17 |
| npmccallum | Keybuk: http://bugs.breakmygentoo.net/attachment.cgi?id=327&action=view | 08:20 |
| Keybuk | that's somewhat cheating patchwise, isn't it? <g> | 08:20 |
| Keybuk | "uncomment the code that broke" | 08:20 |
| Keybuk | uh, comment | 08:20 |
| npmccallum | Keybuk: no, the code was removed upstream a few days after my patch | 08:21 |
| npmccallum | Keybuk: they decided to roll back the wifi stuff | 08:22 |
| Kamion | patches should generally remove code rather than comment it out, I feel - history is what revision control systems are for :) | 08:22 |
| npmccallum | fine, then find the line and remove it :) | 08:22 |
| Kamion | not that I can talk considering the state of /var/lib/dpkg/info/passwd.config at the moment | 08:22 |
| Keybuk | ah, the debian code has if (!is_80211) around that | 08:23 |
| Kamion | heaving mass of comments | 08:23 |
| Keybuk | if we remove that line, then normal network cards won't have link state in hal? | 08:25 |
| Keybuk | hm, ok; hal won't build | 08:36 |
| npmccallum | Keybuk: we could always get the newest dbus and hal (which may not actually be a bad idea) | 08:40 |
| Keybuk | yeah, the new stuff seems to work; but that's up to mdz | 08:42 |
| mdz | which actual bugs does it fix? | 08:43 |
| npmccallum | mdz: most of the wifi stuff was taken out of the newer hals | 08:44 |
| Keybuk | can't start hald (and thus g-v-m) on machines with atheros cards | 08:44 |
| npmccallum | mdz: the wifi stuff had lots of problems with lots of wifi cards (not just atheros) | 08:44 |
| mdz | before the conference, I was using an atheros card, and hal was starting OK | 08:45 |
| npmccallum | mdz: we seem to be using an older version which still has the old wifi stuff in hal | 08:45 |
| npmccallum | mdz: yeah, its an intermittant problem | 08:45 |
| npmccallum | mdz: I was fine for a while too | 08:45 |
| npmccallum | if we do upgrade hal, I believe we have to upgrade dbus as well | 08:47 |
| thom | yep | 08:48 |
| Keybuk | thom: didn't you remove "Suspend" from the battery applet? | 08:56 |
| thom | yeah, i've not uploaded it yet | 08:57 |
| Keybuk | ah, ok | 08:57 |
| Keybuk | thought seb had fumbled a patch there for a second :p | 08:57 |
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| edd | seb does not fumble :) | 09:15 |
| mdz | thom: how does the mozilla situation look? | 09:16 |
| Oskuro | seb128: what's wrong with the suspend bit? | 09:17 |
| seb128 | Oskuro: what ? | 09:17 |
| Oskuro | 20:56 < Keybuk> thom: didn't you remove "Suspend" from the battery applet? 20:57 < thom> yeah, i've not uploaded it yet | 09:17 |
| Oskuro | I wish gnome-terminal didn't select an arbitrary number of lines when I triple click | 09:18 |
| edd | it calls apm, iirc | 09:18 |
| edd | last i knew, ubuntu doesn't have apm | 09:18 |
| Oskuro | oh | 09:19 |
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| fabbione | lamont: can you give it a kick later tonight_? | 09:23 |
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| thom | mdz: i got caught up in ddcprobe/xresprobe on amd64; just cooking dinner then will look | 09:47 |
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| mdz | Oskuro: not only that, suspending with apm requires root and there was no provision for that | 10:13 |
| mdz | we'll do something useful with it in the future when it can be done correctly | 10:13 |
| mdz | thom: I don't seem to have notes about your schedule; what hours are generally good for you as far as meetings and the like? | 10:17 |
| thom | mdz: i'm usually awake and working 10am-6pm (currently GMT+1) | 10:18 |
| mdz | ok, thanks | 10:18 |
| thom | but the latter tends to stretch later most of the time | 10:18 |
| mdz | npmccallum: how about you? what are your normal waking/working hours? | 10:25 |
| thom | mdz/Kamion: thoughts on tmpfs for /tmp ? | 10:28 |
| mdz | thom: I use it everywhere | 10:28 |
| thom | mdz: should we do it by default? | 10:28 |
| mdz | possibly; float the idea on the sounder list? | 10:29 |
| thom | yeah, will do. was just wondering if there was a previously discussed reason we don't that i'd forgotten | 10:29 |
| mdz | I don't think so; I'd been meaning to bring it up myself | 10:29 |
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