=== Gman [~Glynn@amfea-proxy-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu [12:16] SleepBoB: dude, if you want a radeon 9000, i can lend it to you tonight [12:17] here's $5, buy something that's not nvidia [12:28] daniels: how do I go about getting a dvorak layout with xkb on a powerpc (which uses xkblayout "macintosh")? [12:28] on i386 "setxkbmap dvorak" works fine [12:29] but on powerpc I get a very unhelpful "Error loading new keyboard description" [12:29] in other words, #255007 [12:29] which I just noticed [12:30] which also contains a fix [12:32] and so, never mind :-) [12:33] glad to be of service ;) [12:33] do you want the next xfree86 revision to have that fix? [12:35] I just pulled it into warty bugzilla to ask about that [12:37] rad === daniels watches rsync whiz by. [12:37] pool/main/t ... === Md is now known as alice === alice is now known as Md === aes [~andrew@dsl-212-23-23-154.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu === mark0 [marko@treason.nexuslabs.com] has joined #ubuntu [01:11] anyoen here installed warty amd64? [01:13] not I [01:14] are you using the x86 ver? [01:14] err i386/ia32 [01:15] no, I've only used powerpc [01:15] i guess i could try it on nova === hrdwrbob [~hrdwrbob@c210-49-180-240.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu === Riff [~davyd@cook.theducks.org] has joined #ubuntu === fabbione [fabbione@just.fugedabout.it] has joined #ubuntu === StoneTable [~stone@c-67-167-111-186.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu [03:37] maybe you should try the mailing list === cef_work [~cef@fw-01.amc.com.au] has joined #ubuntu [04:35] yo, can you guys check the FAQ to see if we're missing anything sensible? [04:35] http://wiki.no-name-yet.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions [04:35] i've just added a short entry about root [04:35] because everyone's asking about it :-) [04:35] if any of those answers need to be improved, let me know [04:35] hence, FAQ :) [04:35] what's the username and passwd? ;) [04:36] Gman: sounder:oink [04:36] sounders:oink, sorry [04:36] oh right, /topic [04:36] wondered what that meant === ..[topic/#ubuntu:Kamion] : SSDS | http://wiki.no-name-yet.com/ username: sounders, password: oink | Sounder CD 7 released [04:36] let's expand that a bit === ..[topic/#ubuntu:jdub] : SSDS | http://sounders:oink@wiki.no-name-yet.com/ | Sounder CD 7 released [04:37] much ebtter [04:37] bah, you got there before i did [04:37] oh [04:37] which is better? :) [04:37] yours'll do [04:37] second one, I was about to say words to that effect :) [04:38] 'sonly going to have a password for a little while longer ;) [04:38] cef_work: you're posting with a different email address to the one you subscribed under :) [04:39] Kamion: what does openssh-server use openssh-client for? [04:40] Kamion: proxy and so on, or...? [04:46] 'Please note that the real one would be less racy, but this is the sort of palette I imagine we will want.' [04:46] hahahahaha [04:48] jdub: I imagine it needs it for scp and sftp [05:08] grr, seb nuked my changes to file-roller and gnome-applets :| [05:09] you touchin' my applets? [05:09] yeah [05:10] right! let's take this outside! [05:10] unlike all the other applets, the wireless applet does not have any padding (mostly because the default image is padded already) [05:15] jdub: /etc/ssh/moduli, ssh-keysign, couple of other common things [05:15] Clint: -server doesn't need scp [05:15] don't see why it should need the sftp client either really [05:15] oh, scp, yes [05:15] jdub: bugger.. I'll fix that.. sorry [05:15] sorry, it's 0415 here [05:16] Kamion: was thinking last week - might be cool to have an ssh server with no ssh client [05:16] jdub: want me to repost? [05:16] jdub: I considered that, but decided against it. [05:16] cef_work: nah, i've moderated :) [05:16] I don't think it's a sufficiently valuable use case to justify the extra package [05:16] since installing openssh-client is not harmful [05:17] cool.. bah! seems a lot of my mail settings have been reset [05:17] hm, oops, I put sshd_config(5) in openssh-client by mistake === tvon_ [~tvon@dsl093-119-225.blt1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu [05:38] Nifty work so far folks. [05:39] While the brown might be a little much, I dig the ubuntu logo/wallpaper bits :) [05:40] heh, that will all change ;) [05:40] (see the FAQ) [05:40] welcome, btw [05:40] Yeah, was just skimming the faq [05:40] and thanks === tvon_ [~tvon@dsl093-119-225.blt1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu [05:41] wrong key [05:42] Live CD default background is nice === lamont tries this whole upgrade thing, just to get the latest stuff. [05:43] The 'installer' is basically the latest debian installer, yes? [05:44] tvon_: yeah, but way simplified [05:44] I upped from a bastardized testing/unstable system and things seemed to go well [05:44] tvon_: at its core [05:44] ah, nice [05:44] I'll have to check that out [05:46] bootsplash bits are based on..well, 'bootsplash'? [05:47] (as opposed to rhgb or something like that) === tvon_ is now known as tvon|lurking [05:54] tvon|lurking: we're not doing bootsplash for warty, but it's actually going to be a pure userspace thing some of our guys have done themselves [05:55] tvon|lurking: we tried to use bootsplash, but the requirement to build all the framebuffer modules into the kernel broke our installer === tvon [~tvon@dsl093-119-225.blt1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu === lamont reboots for giggles and new gnome === lamont [~lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu === lamont looks around for fabbione to beat. [06:03] I want my resolution back.. [06:04] lamont: -6ubuntu10? [06:04] sigh === lamont tries dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 instead [06:04] brb === lamont [~lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu === lamont [~lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu === lamont [~lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu [06:16] 1280x1024, 16-bit seems to work just fine... [06:36] morning guys [06:36] lamont: are you on ubuntu10? [06:37] 9 [06:37] fire call - back in a bit [06:37] ok [06:38] lamont: ubuntu9 was broken. please upgrade ubuntu10 [06:39] uhuhu we have the fix for XKB [06:39] ! === fabbione ponders uploading ubuntu11 [06:48] more x uploads! :) === lamont kicks X [06:58] takes forever and a day to download, you know... [06:59] mmm, broadband [06:59] lamont: it's faster if you just upgrade it, rather than syncing an entire mirror [06:59] lamont: i have been working 14 hours yesterday to fix all the -reconfigure /upgrade thingy [06:59] mdz: yeah, but not by much.. [07:00] then again, if I just upgrade it, then I don't go through the straw... [07:00] well, I can bypass the straw, that is. [07:00] tvon: I have broadband, but the billing is kinda wierd... [07:00] lamont: you need only xserver-xfree86 and xserver-common from ubuntu10 [07:00] end result is that I mirror warty at 20kbps [07:00] fabbione: but I have 9 and a working X config... [07:01] lamont: ah [07:01] fabbione: is -11 due anytime soon? [07:01] lamont: dpkg-reconfigure won't work and it will smash your config [07:01] lamont: probably today or tomorrow [07:01] fabbione: yeah - I noticed. But vi works.. [07:01] fabbione: cool [07:01] lamont: well it's enough you add a line at the end of the file [07:02] and the config won't be touched anymore [07:18] mdz: btw, I just sync main and about 5 packages from universe, not the whole archive === lamont heads for bed, forseeing a long day tomorrow. === diieman gets the feeling lamont might be better served by weekly cd dumps ;) [07:27] mdz: i agree that we should kill the -novtswitch [07:27] fabbione: ok [07:28] daniels will have time to do it properly [07:28] yeah, hes downloading about 2 cds a week [07:30] gah [07:30] what's the URL to the isos? [07:31] http://ftp.no-name-yet.com/cdimage/ [07:31] see the wiki :) [07:32] oh der [07:32] under 'archive' [08:16] uhm.... upgrading hal while accessing an USB disc seems not to be a great idea [08:16] hmmm... reboot required [08:18] hmmmmmmmmmmmmm..... hard boot required [08:18] hah [08:19] ide freezed too [08:23] that's bad [08:24] ik5pvx: please file a bug [08:24] I'm saving the logs right now [08:24] want to see it before I file a bug ? [08:24] also... it would be nice to see if it can be reproduced [08:24] just go ahead.. i will get the mail from the systemm === ik5pvx would like to reproduce it on someone else's filesystem [08:25] hey.. i gave you that laptop to play with warty :-))) [08:25] use it :P [08:25] will do in a while [08:29] ehm [08:34] mdz: hmm, seems the broadcom in the x300 works with the tg3 driver === ploum [~ploum@93-244.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu === Riff [~davyd@cook.theducks.org] has joined #ubuntu [09:19] ik5pvx: i think the problem is related to USB only. all the otherstuff is a chain of things that goes banana [09:20] or these ones are the bits during the shutdown? [09:21] oh [09:21] the kernel with warty seems to hate usb [09:21] if i cat /proc/usb/devices with my media reader plugged in, it'll just dump in d [09:22] daniels: seems to work fine on my workstation. [09:24] probably just hates the kt400; i don't blame it [09:26] daniels: WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO THE KERNEL THIS TIME? :P === fabbione hides [09:26] daniels: btw ubuntu10 is up with all the fixes [09:26] i am going to upload ubuntu11 that has all the META key fixes [09:26] and ask sounders to do a good round of autodetection tests [09:28] fabbione: ok, cool [09:28] i had an ubuntu with novtswitch fixes, and i've been looking at macintosh stuff [09:28] as well as having fixed pppoe and a couple of others [09:28] mdz has handed me a couple of lovely bugs to hunt down [09:28] daniels: in ubuntu11 i already killed the novt stuff [09:28] fabbione: it was never there [09:28] afaict [09:28] daniels: there was the patch [09:28] we added it in ubuntu6 or something [09:31] i looked in ubuntu10 and there was no #914 === ploum [~ploum@93-244.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu [09:32] impossible.. i deleted it only this morning [09:32] until.... [09:32] HMMMMM [09:32] AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH [09:32] because i used svn export [09:32] that's why [09:33] ok.. never mind than [09:33] my fault === fabbione learns about svn status [09:34] heh :) that's what you get for using svn :P [09:36] fabbione, yes I too think it's a chain reaction. It's strange that udev freezes too, and I couldn't complete the reboot. [09:37] ik5pvx: udev is full of race conditions afaict [09:37] ( yeah they replaced a buggy devfs with a buggy udev ) [09:41] ok.. ubuntu11 is up... === fabbione gets a little break === seb128 [~seb128@ABoulogne-110-1-2-13.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu [10:23] morning [10:24] jdub: here ? [10:24] morning seb [10:24] get my mail? :) [10:24] hey jdub :) [10:24] yes, but I've apt-get source from warty as usual [10:24] you've made your changes out of the debian dir ? [10:25] nup [10:25] I just keep the debian dir between the version ... [10:25] for gnome-applets I've this entry in the changelog [10:25] " * Tastier icons for the wireless applet." [10:26] see my .changes entries for file-roller and gnome-applets [10:26] these icons better end upstream [10:26] Riff: i just nicked the netapplet ones for now [10:26] Riff: but decided not to use those anyway [10:26] (they're mobile phone bars, which is inappropriate for wireless) [10:27] i'm going to have some new ones made which will be much nicer [10:27] jdub: where have you made your changes for the applets ? [10:27] seb128: under debian/ [10:27] a pair of breasts perhaps? [10:27] :) [10:27] I've apt-get source gnome-applets, grab the debian dir and put it in the new version [10:27] a bunch of .uu files, a change to debian/rules, and a patch in patches/ [10:27] hrm [10:27] i totally uploaded it [10:27] Gman; how do you represent wireless strength with a pair of breasts? [10:28] i can send you the changes :-) [10:28] jdub: I've your changelog entry .... I swear I've not changed the debian dir [10:28] out of the changelog and control.in for the depends [10:28] seb128: does it include the wireless padding patch? [10:29] " * Tastier icons for the wireless applet." is the previous entry [10:29] and/or comment in the changelog [10:29] hrm [10:29] i'm sure i uploaded them [10:29] 8) [10:29] I've apt-get source gnome-applets [10:29] i'll re-upload [10:29] there was the menu change for fileroller, too [10:29] gnome-applets (2.7.2-0ubuntu4) warty; urgency=low [10:29] . [10:29] * debian/patches/07_wireless_padding.patch: [10:29] - add 2 pixels of padding for hboxed applets [10:29] [10:29] grumpf [10:30] Riff, dunno, i'm sure there are ways [10:30] perhaps I've not apt-get update and the warty mirror had both versions [10:30] ahr [10:30] yeah, that's the one [10:30] jdub: do you still have the changes ? :) [10:30] Gman: the harder the nipple... [10:30] seb128: yeah [10:30] if yes, please mail them [10:30] jdub; I had wondered that [10:31] mental note: the warty mirror can provide old sources, always apt-get update before getting the source package for a new version [10:31] jdub: sorry for nucking your changes :p [10:32] don't worry [10:32] i love it when you nuck my changes [10:32] ah ah [10:32] ;) [10:33] seb128: "it won't matter anymore when we have hct" [10:33] BTW we don't have a lot of time before before the release and still a lot of desktop changes/fixes to do [10:33] yeah [10:33] would be nice to get your comments about the menu [10:34] yeah, sorry, been away for the weekend 8) [10:34] to take a decision about the trash applet (upstream probably in holidays, he doesn't reply) [10:34] what did we need to decide? [10:34] should I start fixing the problem ? Or we just trash the trash applet ? :p [10:34] s/problem/problems/ [10:35] it has some bugs, no animation and no translation [10:35] we need to put some efforts in it if we want to ship it [10:36] yeah [10:36] okay, trash it :-) [10:36] perhaps put it in supported [10:36] have you put it in debian yet? [10:36] no [10:37] if you get time, that might be nice :) [10:37] not really the good time to put new stuffs in debian, autobuilders are overloaded and we are trying to release sarge [10:37] yes ... [10:37] yeah [10:37] whenever's handy [10:37] BTW that's quick to upload it, I'll try to do it soon [10:38] we also need to make changes on the damn battery and wireless applets === rburton [~ross@82-44-126-41.cable.ubr03.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu [10:38] if you don't have a laptop they keep displays messages [10:38] seb128; I fixed the battery applet for desktops I think [10:39] I never committed the patch though, because noone has tested it [10:39] including me [10:39] it works on my laptop though [10:40] seb128; does this help you: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=150899 [10:40] thanks [10:44] Riff: what does it do for machines that don't have batteries? [10:44] jdub; that's the point, it's meant to say they're on AC power [10:45] personally I think it's a kernel bug [10:45] right [10:45] if you load the battery module without a battery, it should have a state file saying battery: none [10:45] or something [10:45] we just want to get rid of it, and remove it from the panel config [10:46] seb128: another option is doing some laptop-detect foo and choosing a different default panel profile === jdub does a mass upgrade on his newly installed ubuntu/x86 box [10:48] I should get a screen and a videocard for my desktop [10:48] so I can start playing with it properly [10:54] well, it's not the geforce2mx that's causing the rebooting problems [11:41] rburton: ping [11:41] pong [11:42] rburton: sorry i don't understand your answer [11:42] it is gone, or it is gone adding the resolution? [11:42] adding the resolution lines made the mouse speed reasonable again === savs [~savs@jicbioinc1.ext.uea.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu [11:42] ok === fabbione mumbles [11:43] adding a fix is not easy.... [11:43] i mean an automatic fix... [11:43] yeah, i can imagine [11:44] it's more the sequence in which things are done than anything else [11:44] and who will own the fix. [11:44] the modules are loaded by discover i think, or hotplug [11:44] but the resolution is set at a much later stage by X [11:45] Riff: so, now you've fixed forecasts for the UK, can we have weather maps too? :P [11:45] so theoretically i need to feed these info to hotplug ... [11:45] thom; you can put in a custom radar URL [11:45] fabbione: is it possible this is a kernel driver bug, where some mouses send a much higher resolution data than others and the driver doesn't know this? [11:45] also, it's Alan Cox who fixed it [11:46] oh well [11:46] rburton: yes. it can be everything. === jdub has a radar url :) [11:46] so much for that hope :-) [11:46] rburton: even a mouse that sends more info [11:46] thom: http://mirror.bom.gov.au/radar/IDR033.gif [11:46] rburton: i think it's called the repeater or something similar [11:46] :-) === fabbione fires up AC/DC [11:47] THUNDER.. AH AH AH AHHH === savs is away: biab === Gman [~Glynn@222-152-131-41.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu === Gman [~Glynn@amfea-proxy-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu === seb128 [~seb128@ABoulogne-110-1-2-13.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu === savs is back (gone 00:59:09) [12:56] you know what? it's probably a good idea to disable the xscreensaver module that fakes crash screens from windows [12:56] heh, that might be a good plan [12:56] i can dual booting users getting a little panicked when that one comes up [12:57] you are probably right, but it's so fun to see those windows people giggle at you "your pc has crashed" and then impressing them with the password for xscreensaver [12:59] :-) [01:30] ik5pvx; if only that password dialog wasn't so damned ugly [01:31] Riff: well, what happened to gscreensaver? [01:32] it never happened? [01:32] thom; I has managed not to happen yet [01:32] I should get back on with that [01:33] i take it the plan would be to support the xscreensaver hacks but with a nice unlock interface and dbus magic [01:34] rburton; pretty much [01:34] the design plan, is to invent a magic auditable way to fit it into xscreensaver [01:35] so that jwz won't flame me any more [01:35] hahaha [01:37] oh... riff left... anyway, tehre are some configurable items in app-defaults for xscreensaver... at least the colors could be tuned, I think === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> tolkien.freenode.net === Riff [~davyd@cook.theducks.org] has joined #ubuntu === jdub [~jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu [01:49] why did my battery applet suddenly go vertical ? [01:53] did your taskbar get bigger? [01:54] no. [01:55] I did an aptitude update yesterday, today the battery is vertical not horizontal... harder to read. === ploum [~ploum@93-244.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu === SleepBoB [hrdwrbob@220-253-14-97.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu === thom [~thom@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has joined #ubuntu === lifeless [~robertc@dsl-156.23.240.220.rns02-kent-syd.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu === Mithrandir [~tfheen@vawad.raw.no] has joined #ubuntu [02:25] fabbione: how to debug apache2, if each newly created child process immediatly segfaults? [02:25] doko: summoning thom? ;) [02:26] i am trying to split a package right now to save a few (hundred) Mb for each X uploads [02:26] tho it will suck the first upload [02:26] but it will save us a lot of bw later on [02:30] fabbione: speaking of X, do you know what the status of the meta/hyper RC bug in Debian's X is? [02:30] Oskuro: debian is pending upload [02:30] for us the fix is in Ubuntu11 [02:31] that i uploaded this morning [02:31] scary eh? [02:31] RAD! ;) [02:33] at least they should be working [02:33] if they don't let me know [02:33] because Overfiend was overexcited for the fix [02:35] heh [02:35] so it was recently marked pending, I guess. [02:35] I just looked at the bug today and saw it was pending [02:36] have I said I *hate* OpenOffice's source, and above that BUILDING openoffice? [02:40] Oskuro: yesterday night [02:41] fabbione: k === bskahan [~bskahan@dsl093-119-225.blt1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu === fabbione mumbles [02:57] Oskuro: do you know how to apply a patch to openoffice package in a proper way ? :) [02:57] doko: which versions, what modules do you have loaded? === fabbione is close to split xfonts out of xfree86 === rburton restarts to try new xfree86 [03:00] seb128: I'm leaving this stupid place in 1 minute [03:00] hmm, actually, 20 seconds, but I can tel lyou tomorrow [03:00] seb128: or #debian-oo [03:01] thom: current ubuntu, libapache2-mod-python2.3 [03:01] Oskuro: ok === doko_ [~doko@dsl-082-083-244-078.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu [03:05] seb128: you going to do an evo update, or wait to sync with debian? [03:06] need to catch up with all the other stuffs and I'll see [03:06] probably ask for a sync for a part of the packages [03:06] why ? [03:07] seb128: just wondering when to do evolution-exchange :) [03:07] ok, I'll let you know, hopefully Kitame will update the debian packages soon :) === jdub doesn't see unstable status anymore, running garnome on desktop and ubuntu on ibook === rburton [~ross@82-44-126-41.cable.ubr03.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu [03:14] can anyone remember the bug# for they xfree86 stickly windows key bug? [03:16] rburton: ??? [03:17] rburton: again ? [03:17] :) [03:17] wait [03:17] yeah, sorry [03:17] i'll write it down this time :) [03:17] ehehhe [03:17] i was hoping ubuntu11 contained the fix, but no such luck [03:18] fabbione: does xfree86 guess a keyboard layout from the locale? [03:18] rburton: yes [03:18] fab [03:19] rburton: #259740 this one ? [03:19] rburton: ubuntu11 has the fixes that will go into Debian for all the keys [03:19] rburton: if it doesn't work please follow up with me and Overfiend [03:19] because it's only in trunk and not part of Debian yet [03:19] i've still got a sticky windows/super key [03:20] as in 259740 [03:20] rburton: just a sec [03:20] how can i reset the keyboard layout, removing any xmodmap commands, whilst in x [03:21] why removing any xmodmap commands? [03:22] i've just ran some to fix the sticky super key [03:22] i'll just logout/in again :) [03:22] bbiab === rburton [~ross@82-44-126-41.cable.ubr03.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu [03:25] rburton: please next time gimme a sec to check the commands :-)))) [03:25] right, fresh Xubuntu11, with a sticky super key which means the metacity window switcher won't go away until i release and press super [03:25] fabbione: :) === fabbione is not a live enciclopedia :P [03:26] i'd only just logged in so this wasn't a problem, and ensures a clean setup [03:26] rburton: is that the correct behaviour? [03:26] nope [03:26] ok, please follow up on the Debian bug. [03:26] i press super, arrows move around the workspaces, but when i let go of super, the popup doesn't go [03:26] ~ [03:26] ops === fabbione would love to understand what the "super" key is on hiw keyboard [03:27] ;3~ [03:27] ARGH [03:27] damn keyboard [03:28] is it ctrl+alt+? [03:28] its the windows key for me [03:28] rburton: right or left? [03:29] both [03:29]