[12:03] <Keybuk> thom: remember, anything's better than that toilet seat of his <g>
[12:03] <jdub> :-)
[12:03] <jdub> exactly!
[12:03] <thom> Keybuk: in this case i'm not sure i agree
[12:05] <tvon> hrm...redhat has a new site
[12:05] <jdub> looks less arse :)
[12:06] <tvon> yeah
[12:14] <mdz> thom: I'm thinking of remapping my F1 key to be escape as well
[12:15] <Oskuro> mdz: better than starting stupeed yelp
[12:15] <Oskuro> night folks
[12:15] <mdz> Oskuro: yes, I never use it for help
[12:15] <Oskuro> mdz: got my mail, by the way?
[12:15] <Keybuk> and your Ctrl/Fn keys are the wrong way round
[12:15] <mdz> night
[12:15] <mdz> Oskuro: mail?
[12:15] <Keybuk> which reminds me ...
[12:15] <Oskuro> I'm sure it wasn't that helpful
[12:15] <Oskuro> mdz: re: webcam
[12:15] <Keybuk> fabbione: would you accept a patch to xlibs to add support for the Right Ctrl key being mapped to Compose ?
[12:15] <mdz> Oskuro: oh, yes.  it turns out that the binary-only driver has been discontinued, the author took the page down
[12:15] <mdz> so we only have what is in the kernel anyway
[12:15] <Oskuro> but maybe it convinced you about forgetting about that webcam for now. :)
[12:16] <Oskuro> mdz: which binary-only driver?
[12:16] <Oskuro> I didn't even know there was one :D
[12:16] <mdz> Oskuro: the other webcam driver
[12:16] <Oskuro> the -usb one?
[12:16] <mdz> the one which is on the /Kernel page
[12:16] <mdz> yours apparently was not
[12:16] <mdz> PCWX or something?
[12:16] <Oskuro> well, what is in 2.6 doesn't work for me
[12:17] <Oskuro> it doesn't create a video device at all
[12:17] <mdz> PWC
[12:17] <mdz> PWC is in 2.6, PWCX was a binary-only blob which gave you more functionality
[12:17] <mdz> but PCWX went away
[12:17] <Oskuro> mine is qce (quick cam express)
[12:17] <mdz> so now we don't need to take a decision on it :-)
[12:17] <Oskuro> great :)
[12:17] <mdz> right, so it wasn't the same in the first place
[12:17] <Oskuro> are you talking about the philips webcam they talked about in lwn?
[12:18] <Oskuro> no, I mean the one you mailed me about after I asked you in Oxford.
[12:18] <Oskuro> my brother has one
[12:18] <Oskuro> doesn't seem to work in 2.6
[12:19] <mdz> sounds scary
[12:20] <Oskuro> not really, as if I care :)
[12:22] <mdz> Oskuro: oh, qce-source is actually free?
[12:23] <mdz> I thought it was non-free
[12:23] <mdz> it is GPL
[12:25] <Keybuk> clearly non-free then <g>
[12:27] <Oskuro> mdz: of course
[12:28] <mdz> Oskuro: any idea why it isn't in the kernel?  it seems to have been around for a long time
[12:28] <jdub> mdz: so are we pulling pmount/gvm stuff into the main archive for testing?
[12:29] <Oskuro> mdz: c-qcam appears to load
[12:29] <Oskuro> in my computer and it printk's shit about quickcam camera and stuff
[12:29] <mdz> jdub: pmount is already there, and yes, gvm should go in as soon as possible so it can be cleaned up
[12:29] <Oskuro> haven't looked at the source to see if it's the same thing
[12:29] <jdub> ok
[12:29] <mdz> we can always pull it
[12:29] <Oskuro> mdz: maybe ti was being loaded but the v4l modules werent
[12:30] <Oskuro> the camera is 6kms away right now
[12:30] <mdz> interesting
[12:30] <mdz> fabbione: if you do, ping him about changing mine as well :-)
[12:30] <mdz> -EWIN
[12:40] <lamont> _69_ source packages in _main_ that Depend on at least one package from ruby1.8
[12:40] <lamont> mdz: will advise. :-(
[12:41] <lamont> Keybuk: are there baglimits on bob2's?
[12:43] <Keybuk> baglimits ?
[12:43] <lamont> limit on the number of animals shot
[12:43] <lamont> it's a hunting limit...
[12:44] <lamont> may only kill 10 rabbits a day, or such kind of thing..
[12:44] <lamont> no more than 20 carcasses in your possession, etc..
[12:44] <Keybuk> heh
[12:44] <Keybuk> you have to actually find *one* first
[12:44] <lamont> exactly
[12:45] <lamont> but what if you find a whole flock of them at once??? :-)
[12:45] <lamont> 350kbps isn't all that bad a bandwidth.. :-)
[12:49] <doko> mdz: any news about the python sync?
[12:49] <tvon> Is/was there discussion about replacing init scripts with python based tools?
[12:51] <lamont> tvon: that'd be a hoary discussion, I expect
[12:52] <tvon> That would be special
[12:54] <jdub> "special"
[12:55] <jdub> oh man, the old G4 20" imac is still more expensive than the new one
[12:55] <jdub> actually, all of them are
[12:56] <tvon> man
[01:28] <tvon> Where should I fetch the installer from?
[01:29] <Kamion> do you mean the CD images?
[01:29] <tvon> Yes
[01:30] <Keybuk> so my CPU doesn't show up in Device Manager ... odd :p
[01:31] <Kamion> tvon: it's on http://wiki.no-name-yet.com/Archive
[01:31] <tvon> Kamion: thank you
[01:38] <spiv> glyph: Greetings.
[01:39] <jdub> yo glyph 
[01:40] <glyph> yo.
[01:40] <glyph> I feel 31337
[01:44] <jdub> seb128: gnome-games-extra-data -> do we really want this in desktop?
[01:45] <seb128> it was in gnome-games, so I've added it with gnome-games
[01:45] <seb128> move it to supported if you prefer
[01:45] <jdub> let's leave it in universe :)
[01:45] <seb128> I don't really care in fact :)
[01:46] <jdub> yeah, it's just more themey images and stuff
[01:46] <seb128> yes, not a problem to support
[01:46] <seb128> we don't have security problems or crashes in this
[01:49] <lamont> mdz: all 69 source packages built just fine with the new ruby1.8...
[01:52] <mdz> lamont: thanks for testing it; please make a notation in bugzilla
[01:53] <lamont> yeah - will do.  I didn't bother with universe, btw
[01:55] <seb128> jdub: for the dicts size, you're just interested by the package size, not the installed size, right ?
[01:55] <jdub> both
[01:55] <seb128> ok
[01:55] <jdub> though less worried about install size ;)
[01:56] <seb128> I've made the full list for debian aspell-*
[01:56] <seb128> I'll send the mail in a minute
[01:57] <jdub> so
[01:57] <jdub> i don't want to run sid/garnome on my desktop any more ;)
[01:58] <jdub> anyone installed on a machine with sata yet?
[01:58] <lamont> sata?
[01:58] <jdub> serial ata
[01:59] <mdz> I installed woody on one
[01:59] <mdz> so I'm not particularly worried
[01:59] <Kamion> hdparm in warty won't work on sata
[02:00] <Kamion> we *probably* have enough bits in d-i to do it but I'm not convinced. please test
[02:00] <jdub> mmm
[02:00] <Kamion> yes, hdparm looks at the major numbers, I don't think libata helps you there
[02:00] <lamont> sounds like sarge wants to know, eh?
[02:00] <jdub> oh
[02:00] <jdub> i use raid1, so i can just take one disk out :-)
[02:00] <jdub> and abuse the other :-)
[02:00] <Kamion> lamont: sarge is in a somewhat better position because it didn't freeze d-i in the middle of doing sata support ;)
[02:01] <lamont> ah, ok.  sigh.
[02:01] <whiprush> bah, anyone else seeing X crashes? Mine crashes overnight, but never while in use. :-/
[02:01] <tvon> heh
[02:01] <Kamion> anyway, I think we've synced everything relevant, but testing will help
[02:01] <tvon> gremlins
[02:01] <jdub> whiprush: got xscreensaver running?
[02:01] <lamont> that reminds me, I need to try and get bidwatcher sync'ed to universe after I upload it to debian..
[02:01] <whiprush> jdub: nope.
[02:02] <jdub> then i can't make spurious uninformed claims about xscreensaver being the obvious culprit
[02:02] <whiprush> bah.
[02:02] <whiprush> continue flaming jwz though, don't let me get in the way.
[02:02] <jdub> well, strictly speaking, i could
[02:02] <jdub> but it would be pretty disingenuous
[02:02] <jdub> and sourced only from a mild disgust of jwz
[02:03] <jdub> he flamed someone for suggesting that fedora was unsupported yesterday
[02:03] <mdz> jwz is involved with fedora?
[02:04] <jdub> and threatened to shift to osx
[02:04] <Kamion> would anyone object to me making /install/2.6/{vmlinuz,initrd.gz,etc.} on the i386 CD be /install/{vmlinuz,initrd.gz,etc.} instead? it would help me do the fixes to debian-installer/amd64 somewhat more easily
[02:04] <jdub> no, he just runs it because the rh9 installer crashes his machine or something
[02:04] <Kamion> and it would match powerpc
[02:04] <mdz> Kamion: absolutely not; I'd prefer it
[02:04] <Kamion> thought so, I'll take a look tomorrow
[02:04] <mdz> I was going to ask you about it but didn't want to distract you since my interest was purely cosmetic
[02:05] <Kamion> I think I meant to do it ages ago but I hadn't found a non-cosmetic reason yet
[02:05] <whiprush> but hey, since I'm never around when you guys are awake .... if someone could make an "upstream" tag or something for bugzilla, or perhaps mention something about it in the wiki that would be swell.
[02:05] <Kamion> but it will reduce confusion a lot for amd64 since (a) amd64 only has 2.6 even in Debian d-i, (b) the build systems for i386 and amd64 are shared
[02:05] <whiprush> I'm on my third "upstream" bug and feel like a jackass about them. 
[02:07] <jdub> "Unrelated to this, Jdub rang me today, like actually rang me, on the phone. That's definitely the way to make someone feel like a valued part of the community. It's almost better then an email from Nat Friedman... almost."
[02:07] <jdub> maaaan
[02:07] <whiprush> "...almost" :p
[02:07] <jdub> NO RESPECT!
[02:12] <SleepBoB> timezones suck
[02:13] <SleepBoB> especially 'beer' timezones
[02:14] <lamont> jdub: someone's blog, I imagine?
[02:14] <bdale> live in your own private timezone... it's less confusing
[02:15] <jdub> lamont: mmm, gnome dude from perth
[02:15] <jdub> haha
[02:16] <jdub> bdale: you're not getting interrogated about the local politics, are you?
[02:17] <bdale> jdub: nah, I'm hiding in the back of the room with my 'puter listening today...
[02:18] <SleepBoB> haha our elections here have degenerated into making up stuff about the other party and ridiculous personal attacks
[02:20] <lamont> SleepBoB: and that's new how?
[02:21] <SleepBoB> lamont: perhaps I'm looking at history through rose tinted glasses :/
[02:24] <lamont> SleepBoB: maybe your local types have been studying US election practices
[02:25] <SleepBoB> that's what I'm suspecting
[02:30] <Gman> jdub, dude, i'd value you a call from you more than a mail from nat any day of the week
[02:38] <mdz> doko: regarding python, so far I am not convinced, but I am listening if there is a compelling case for it
[02:40] <SleepBoB> he is my friend :/
[02:40] <SleepBoB> oops. I am teh suck.
[02:43] <seb128> mdz; jdub : what about gaim ? We want to stay with 0.79 ?
[02:43] <mdz> seb128: we'll need to do something about the security issue; I think we'll probably sync the new version
[02:44] <seb128> "We closed over TWO HUNDRED bugs since 0.80."
[02:44] <seb128> according to the NEWS file
[02:44] <mdz> what they don't say in NEWS is "We created over ONE THOUSAND new bugs" :-)
[02:44] <jdub> i think it makes sense to sync gaim as a member of the gnome/desktop set
[02:44] <seb128> ok
[02:44] <seb128> I'll do an upload with the e-d-s plugin on tomorrow so
[02:44] <seb128> if that's ok
[02:45] <mdz> seb128: an upload of gaim?
[02:45] <seb128> yes
[02:45] <mdz> seb128: based on 1:0.82.1-1?
[02:45] <seb128> if you are ok to do a sync from debian ...
[02:45] <seb128> yes
[02:45] <mdz> well, we can sync, and then you can upload an ubuntu rev, or you can just upload the new upstream
[02:46] <seb128> sync will not work, they build with gnutls11
[02:46] <mdz> ah, ok
[02:46] <mdz> then yes, go ahead
[02:46] <seb128> ok, thanks
[02:46] <mdz> please give it some extra testing if you would
[02:47] <mdz> seb128: I'll reassign the security bug to you, then, and you can close it when you upload
[02:47] <seb128> ok, fine
[02:52] <seb128> time to sleep, see you later guys
[03:26] <lifeless> arhh, welcome to the house of fun
[04:19] <cef_work> woops
[04:32] <daniels> jdub: pong
[04:32] <daniels> fucking dsl company is hateful. this is now the eighth time they have deleted my order.
[04:33] <jdub> daniels: is jriddell a sane kde dude?
[04:33] <jdub> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/view/591
[04:33] <SleepBoB> yeah they have your name on the blacklist
[04:33] <daniels> jdub: yeah
[04:33] <daniels> jdub: he seems to be, at any rate
[04:33] <jdub> daniels: so who do you reckon i should start talking to about kubuntu?
[04:34] <jdub> know if any of the sounders have tried it?
[04:34] <daniels> jdub: i don't know if mornfall or ervin have tried it; they seemed quite busy. have they emailed you?
[04:35] <daniels> jdub: i think jriddell could quite well be a sane kubuntu seed
[04:35] <jdub> nup
[04:35] <jdub> no subs either
[04:35] <jdub> should i invite jriddell?
[04:35] <daniels> jdub: blardy hell. :\
[04:36] <daniels> jdub: yeah, i think that could be good
[04:38] <jdub> daniels: did you speak to him at akademy?
[04:39] <jdub> (from what he knows, it sounds like it)
[04:45] <bdale> daniels: dude
[04:48] <daniels> bdale: dude!
[04:48] <daniels> jdub: actually, no; go figure
[04:49] <bdale> daniels: I'm in a conf room at the Duxton through Fri morning...
[04:49] <jdub> daniels: intriguing
[04:50] <jdub> daniels: so did akademy keep the kde flame burning inside your heart?
[04:53] <daniels> bdale: oh, rad. sadly, i'm a bit over an hour out of town - want to catch up for lunch or dinner one day?
[04:53] <daniels> or two days, or whatever ;) i'm coming in for friday night anyway
[04:53] <daniels> jdub: the pilot light was out, and it didn't even provide a bit of gas
[04:54] <bdale> daniels: I'm supposed to be hosting a bof over lunch today, not sure what's on this evening or lunch tomorrow, conf dinner tomorrow night, then I'm gone by mid-morning on Fri
[04:54] <daniels> jdub: the discussion about the control centre was classic. they were talking about doing macrousability on it, and i put my hand up and pointed out that even when I was hacking on it, it still took me 5 minutes to find what I want, and got a bit of scorn for that
[04:54] <daniels> bdale: ahr
[04:56] <Riff> ooh, is it pirate day?
[04:56] <Riff> aarrr!
[04:56] <Riff> avast!
[04:56] <daniels> Riff: not quite yet, sadly
[04:57] <SleepBoB> it's always pirate day
[04:57] <cef_work> 19th of sept
[05:09] <AndyFitz> g'day
[05:09] <jdub> yo AndyFitz 
[05:10] <AndyFitz> heya jdub
[05:15] <AndyFitz> where on the wiki can I grab CD7
[05:15] <AndyFitz> I've gotten myself on the QUT network with no port restrictions
[05:15] <AndyFitz> http://ftp.no-name-yet.com/cdimage/daily/current/ ?
[05:16] <AndyFitz> all good downloading now 
[05:22] <AndyFitz> http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/warty.png , http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/e7.png  think its possible to include etiquette in warty ?
[05:23] <jdub> i was hoping etiquette was the theme we were getting :)
[05:24] <AndyFitz> I think im being nudged into another style  here.  canonical needs trademark rights of the look and feel
[05:24] <AndyFitz> some of etiquette is already public domain
[05:25] <jdub> you mean copyright, not trademark, right?
[05:25] <AndyFitz> id love to have it included.  or move closer to the style.  i think we've got to define boundaries
[05:25] <AndyFitz> no trademark
[05:25] <jdub> and by 'public domain' you mean licensed under the gpl?
[05:26] <AndyFitz> its dual under public domain and gpl
[05:28] <AndyFitz> my understanding is the trademarked artwork has to be kept canonical's property  to make sure ubuntu owns its look and feel and other distros dont try and claim the same branding trademark that the icons adhere to
[05:28] <jdub> (on msg please)
[06:02] <Gman_> those look like nice icons AndyFitz
[06:05] <AndyFitz> Thanks Gman. Trying to sort out if we can includea modified version of the later in warty at the moment
[06:12] <glyph> is there any way to set up ubuntu over an existing sid installation?
[06:14] <whiprush> glyph: I've used the ubuntu apt sources over an existing sid install with no problems. I would assume however, that the devs don't care for bug reports that end up as a result however
[06:14] <glyph> whiprush: Yeah, I could see that
[06:15] <glyph> I want to try it from scratch, but I don't have that much time and all my boxes already have painstakingly set up, working debian configurations on them ;)
[06:15] <tvon|x31> Is ubuntu meant to be used along with sarge repositories at this point?
[06:17] <whiprush> glyph: I've "upgraded" to ubuntu packages from existing sid and experimental packages on a box before.
[06:17] <whiprush> I did that to see if they just worked though.
[06:26] <jdub> tvon|x31: no
[06:26] <jdub> tvon|x31: use main and universe from our repos
[06:27] <tvon|x31> jdub: aight, thanks
[06:27] <jdub> (only if you *have* to use universe ;)
[06:27] <mdz> tvon|x31: you cannot use both Debian and Ubuntu repositories in sources.list
[06:28] <mdz> we should document that somewhere
[06:28] <jdub> FAQ!
[06:28] <tvon|x31> I dont think 'universe' is mentioned on the Archive page
[06:28] <jdub> yeah, someone else add stuff to the faq :)
[06:29] <tvon|x31> now to track down some mono bits.....
[06:29] <tvon|x31> eek
[06:30] <kagou> hi
[06:31] <jdub> hi kagou 
[06:31] <kagou> i just received location for iso :)
[06:32] <lifeless> mdz: oh? oops.
[06:32] <kagou> do i test http://ftp.no-name-yet.com/cdimage/sounder-test/7/ or http://ftp.no-name-yet.com/cdimage/daily/current/ ?
[06:32] <tvon|x31> Is anyone running on a lappy?
[06:33] <jdub> tvon|x31: pretty much all of us, many on ibms too :)
[06:33] <tvon|x31> ah :)
[06:33] <jdub> kagou: yesterday's daily worked well - may as well try it :)
[06:33] <tvon|x31> My wifi and battery applets are bunk for some reason
[06:33] <kagou> ok jdub
[06:33] <tvon|x31> though a few hours ago I had mandrake cooker on here with a busted wifi applet as well, but batter worked
[06:33] <jdub> tvon|x31: do you have the battery module loaded?
[06:34] <tvon|x31> jdub: yup
[06:34] <jdub> hrm, and some acpi things?
[06:34] <tvon|x31>  /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0 has all the goodies
[06:34] <tvon|x31> acpi battery thermal fan etc...all the goodies are loaded
[06:35] <tvon|x31> hrm...oh yes, I think it needs acpid
[06:36] <tvon|x31> yup
[06:36] <jdub> bong! :)
[06:36] <tvon|x31> All the data is in /proc afaik, I dont know why it needs a daemon :-D
[06:36] <tvon|x31> On to wireless applet...
[06:36] <mdz> if you install from scratch, you get acpid by default
[06:36] <mdz> and a lot of other niceties
[06:36] <lifeless> the daemon does events IIRC.
[06:36] <tvon|x31> hmm, I did install from scratch, though a pretty minimal system
[06:37] <mdz> hmm?
[06:37] <mdz> you have only two options: desktop and server, and I don't think the server option is mentioned anywhere at the moment
[06:37] <tvon|x31> I installed from the latest (as of earlier today) nightly iso.  Using the netboot images
[06:37] <tvon|x31> heh, I saw no desktop/server options
[06:38] <mdz> exactly
[06:38] <mdz> you get a desktop install by default
[06:38] <mdz> and that includes acpid
[06:38] <mdz> unless you debootstrapped it by hand or something
[06:38] <tvon|x31> Nope, PXE boot with netboot images/initrd
[06:38] <tvon|x31> It hit an error with my /home partition which kicked me to the installtion menu, its possible I skipped something
[06:39] <mdz> did you skip the package selection step in base-config (post-reboot)?
[06:39] <mdz> that's where aptitude runs and installs a few hundred packages
[06:40] <tvon|x31> ah, it hit some error, I dont recall what so it was never completed
[06:40] <tvon|x31> That would explain it :)
[06:40] <mdz> please report the error to the mailing list
[06:40] <mdz> a copy of /var/log/base-config.log should suffice
[06:40] <mdz> along with a description of what happened
[06:42] <tvon|x31> allrighty
[06:44] <mdz> thanks
[07:10] <fabbione> morning guys
[07:52] <Mithrandir> lamont: now I am
[07:52] <lamont> Mithrandir: figured it out...
[07:53] <Mithrandir> ok
[07:55] <lamont> Mithrandir: gcc-3.[34]  now installed on amd64
[07:57] <jdub> lamont: btw,
[07:57] <jdub> http://spacepants.org/cgi-bin/blog.cgi/200409011041
[07:57] <jdub> :-)
[07:57] <Mithrandir> lamont: yay. :)
[07:57] <Mithrandir> lamont: how's grub, then?
[07:57] <Mithrandir> :)
[08:06] <lamont> jdub: heh
[08:07] <lamont> only 271 files to go for my micro-mirror of debian to finish
[08:08] <lamont> Mithrandir: DOH.  guess I should make sure the chroot is current,eh?
[08:09] <Mithrandir> lamont: that would be nice, yes. :)
[08:17] <lamont> gcc-3.3_1:3.3.4-5ubuntu2 still "can't create executables"
[08:23] <Mithrandir> for grub?
[08:23] <lamont> yeah
[08:23] <lamont> turns out the chroot _is_ current
[08:23] <Mithrandir> could you install that and grub's build-deps in the amd64 chroot on yellow?
[08:24] <lamont> sure
[08:24] <Mithrandir> and downgrade ia32-libs to what's in warty, pretty please. :)
[08:25] <lamont> want the chroot to be apt-get upgraded too?
[08:25] <Mithrandir> sure
[08:28] <fabbione> mdz: i am afraid we will have to ask one or two more questions if hw autodetection tools aren't available
[08:28] <lamont> Mithrandir: I stand somewhat corrected...
[08:28] <fabbione> apparently the defaults aren't good enough for everybody
[08:28] <mdz> fabbione: which tools?
[08:28] <lamont> Sep  1 02:30:10 buildd-mail: gcc-3.3 must be manually dinstall-ed -- delayed
[08:29] <lamont> elmo around?
[08:29] <fabbione> mdz: xresprobe, discover and so on
[08:29] <fabbione> (still talking about X)
[08:29] <mdz> fabbione: xresprobe is called in postinst, is it not?  you could depend on it
[08:29] <fabbione> mdz: no no that's not the problem
[08:29] <fabbione> on fresh install we are ok
[08:29] <fabbione> if installing desktop
[08:29] <fabbione> but on expert mode we need to ask more questions
[08:30] <fabbione> specially if the user does not want to install the autodetection tools
[08:30] <mdz> it is fine with me if we require the autodetection tools via a dependency
[08:30] <Mithrandir> lamont: grub seems to be compiling happily now.
[08:30] <lamont> Mithrandir: grub is d-w the new gcc, which only helps a little since I need to freshen the chroot before things will work
[08:30] <lamont> Mithrandir: yeah - gcc-3.3 needs some loving
[08:30] <lamont> from elmo
[08:31] <Mithrandir> though, I need to work around:
[08:31] <Mithrandir>         dpkg-shlibdeps -Tdebian/grub.substvars debian/grub/sbin/grub debian/grub/bin/mbchk
[08:31] <Mithrandir> debian/grub/sbin/grub: error while loading shared libraries: libfakeroot.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:31] <mdz> I wouldn't expect elmo for a few hours
[08:31] <Mithrandir> dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: ldd on `debian/grub/sbin/grub' gave error exit status 1
[08:31] <Mithrandir> dh_shlibdeps: command returned error code 256
[08:31] <Mithrandir> somehow
[08:31] <fabbione> mdz: hmmm
[08:31] <Mithrandir> I'm pondering shipping libfakeroot.so.0 (ia32-bits) in ia32-libs
[08:31] <fabbione> i need to check on the different tools, if they can be used before their postinst run
[08:32] <fabbione> mdz: otherwise if the install happens in one shot it's not gonna work
[08:32] <fabbione> no actually...
[08:32] <fabbione> it won't
[08:32] <fabbione> because discover and mdetect are used in preconfig
[08:35] <Mithrandir> BINGO!
[08:35] <Mithrandir> yay
[08:35] <Mithrandir> yay, yay, yay.
[08:35] <Mithrandir> lamont: compiling it statically (which is really the only sane way to do it, unless one wants grub to depend on ia32-libs) works.
[08:36] <lamont> Mithrandir: cool
[08:37] <Mithrandir> http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/pure64/patches/grub_0.95+cvs20040624-3.0.0.1.pure64.patch has the patch from alioth, I'm going to hack it so it builds nicely on both amd64 and i386 then upload.
[08:37] <Mithrandir> but now, breakfast.
[08:38] <lamont> Mithrandir: cool
[08:41] <doko> Mithrandir: first biarch test succeeded :)
[08:46] <lamont> mdz: should you care, bidwatcher in warty/universe is broken (grave), fix is in debian/incoming..  sync would be nice, but then, it is universe...
[08:46] <mdz> when everything in main works right, we can have some universe dessert
[08:47] <lamont> yeah - exactly
[08:47] <lamont> hence the 'should you care'.
[08:47] <mdz> yep
[08:49] <lamont> mdz: what (if anything) is still standing in the way of ruby?
[08:50] <mdz> lamont: if it doesn't break any builds, I think that's it.  please re-propose the sync
[08:50] <mdz> noting the version that you tested
[08:51] <lamont> we'll do
[08:51] <mdz> thanks
[08:52] <jdub> both lamonts
[08:52] <jdub> i'm glad we had those cloning systems installed
[08:53] <lamont> sent
[08:53] <pitti> mdz: this silly postgresql log permission thingy... will you accept another sid sync (with some other small changes) or shall I prepare an -ubuntu1 package?
[08:53] <mdz> pitti: if the other changes are small and safe, we can sync
[08:54] <lamont> speaking of postgresql... If I have a file consisting of columnar data and want to stuff it into postgress, can I tell it to take fields from columns 41-80 of the file, or do I have to write something to process the data into sql insert commands?
[08:55] <lamont> jdub: you likely to be around in about 7-8 hours?
[08:55] <jdub> lamont: hrm
[08:55] <jdub> lamont: probably 8)
[08:55] <jdub> mdz: hrm
[08:55] <pitti> lamont: AFAIK, postgresql's \copy command cannot process specific character columns
[08:55] <lamont> jdub: gonna pick your brain on USB pilot stuff then...  you've been warned. :-)
[08:55] <pitti> lamont: you can only give a column separator (space, comma, tab, whatever)
[08:55] <mdz> you could cut/awk out the columns
[08:56] <lamont> pitti: that's still a help, just requires me to do a simple convert.
[08:56] <pitti> lamont: yes, cut does that quite nicely, should be easy
[08:56] <lamont> ok.  something else to play with when I have spare time again in a decade.
[08:56] <lamont> meanwhile, to bed.
[08:57] <lamont> before 1AM, even. :)
[08:57] <pitti> lamont: good night! '
[08:57] <pitti> lamont: I'm taking breakfast now :-) I love time zones...
[08:57] <lamont> pitti: thank your local railroad, then
[08:59] <lamont> fabbione: btw, I had to bump up the hsync/vsync to get my monitor happy
[09:00] <lamont> of course, I should really figure out what the right max-values are for this monitor, since the video card can far exceed them.
[09:00] <lamont> I also chose 16-bit with bigger resolution, rather than 24-bit and smaller.
[09:00] <lamont> but now I choose sleep.  back in about 7-8 hours
[09:02] <fabbione> lamont: please can you give me a bit more details?
[09:03] <fabbione> i can't guess what your card/monitor can do...
[09:03] <fabbione> btw
[09:03] <fabbione> http://www.fabbione.net/digital/IMG_0011.JPG
[09:06] <fabbione> this is where our X is growing :-)
[09:08] <mdz> heh
[09:08] <mdz> it would be neat to have photos of everyone at their home office
[09:09] <jdub> i have a digital camera!
[09:09] <mdz> and arrange them in a virtual cubicle village :-)
[09:09] <edd> but not jdub
[09:09] <AndyFitz> as do i!
[09:09] <edd> i am still scarred from that toilet picture
[09:09] <jdub> haha
[09:09] <jdub> that is my office!
[09:09] <edd> i was afraid of that
[09:10] <fabbione> mdz: as soon as we will have people.n-n-y.com :-)
[09:11] <jdub> mmmmmm
[09:11] <jdub> people
[09:11] <fabbione> we can create a people.n-n-y.com/shared
[09:11] <fabbione> or something
[09:11] <fabbione> with a pic gallery from all of us
[09:11] <fabbione> that would really give a human feeling behind an email address
[09:11] <mdz> I would like to do something along those lines
[09:11] <jdub> and hackergotchis
[09:12] <mdz> you and your hackergotchis
[09:12] <fabbione> can we put pics when we are mooning?? please! please! please..
[09:12] <jdub> fabbione: your hackergotchi can be a bum :)
[09:12] <lifeless> as long as its of your face
[09:12] <lifeless> :}
[09:12] <fabbione> lifeless: the 2 might be very similar :)
[09:12] <mdz> ...superimposed...
[09:13] <jdub> a bum with a fist coming out of it, like the australian flag
[09:13] <AndyFitz> oi
[09:13] <AndyFitz>  :P
[09:15] <mdz> that is not my symbolic interpretation of the australian flag
[09:15] <SleepBoB> hahahaha
[09:22] <daniels> you don't want to see a picture of my room right now
[09:24] <fabbione> so everybody agress that pc105 is a good default for layout != us?
[09:24] <fabbione> agrees even
[09:25] <daniels> yes
[09:25] <daniels> it seems to be pretty much standard
[09:25] <fabbione> ok
[09:33] <daniels> (when i did 4.3, it was *the* biggest faq)
[09:33] <daniels> i was tempted to have a 'use pc105' reply shortcut
[09:33] <fabbione> daniels: well.. i am old and tired.. i can't remember everything :)
[09:34] <fabbione>     if [ "$RET" != "us" ] ; then
[09:34] <fabbione>       DEFAULT=pc105
[09:34] <fabbione>     else
[09:34] <fabbione>       DEFAULT=pc104
[09:34] <fabbione>     fi
[09:34] <fabbione> there
[09:34] <daniels> heh
[09:34] <daniels> er
[09:34] <daniels> wouldn't
[09:34] <daniels> if [ "$RET" == "us" ] ; then
[09:34] <daniels>   DEFAULT=pc104
[09:34] <daniels> else
[09:34] <daniels>   DEFAULT=pc105
[09:34] <daniels> fi
[09:34] <daniels> make more sense?
[09:35] <fabbione> no. there is a bashism
[09:35] <daniels> well, s/==/=/
[09:35] <fabbione> tsk :P
[09:36] <fabbione>     if [ "$RET" = "us" ] ; then
[09:36] <fabbione>       DEFAULT=pc104
[09:36] <fabbione>     else
[09:36] <fabbione>       DEFAULT=pc105
[09:36] <fabbione>     fi
[09:36] <fabbione> happy now kid? ;)
[09:38] <ploum> yes, indeed. pc105 is the default in most european countries
[09:38] <daniels> fabb	nice
[09:39] <SleepBoB> model M is the new standard
[09:40] <daniels> guh
[09:40] <daniels> rsync ate my bandwidth
[09:54] <AndyFitz> http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/ubuntu.png
[09:56] <ploum> wow, it seems to be a subtle Debian logo :-)
[09:56] <ploum> But I can't imagine this as a wallpaper : too dark and to "fill" with one color
[09:56] <fabbione> daniels: what is the status of xresprobe?
[09:56] <fabbione> regarding freq calculation?
[09:57] <ploum> AndyFitz, I imagine the same logo but with a african paysage background
[09:57] <AndyFitz> needs to be boring so the icons can shine ..  ;)
[09:57] <AndyFitz> okay ill gimp it up with some texturing
[09:57] <ploum> I also imagine the baground with lines
[09:58] <ploum> but like you did for Fraze Island and the see picture
[09:58] <AndyFitz> hehe. gnome guys love the scanlines.
[09:58] <ploum> That's would be perfect
[09:58] <ploum> :-)
[10:02] <AndyFitz> okay well there you go
[10:02] <AndyFitz> updated with scanlines
[10:03] <ploum> AndyFitz, far better :-)
[10:04] <ploum> Now, I just imagine a picture of the african bush translucent in the background. With only a few bush in the bottom, a tree but a lot of sky :-)
[10:04] <ploum> that's only MHO
[10:05] <Mithrandir> AndyFitz: it doesn't look good on LCDs now.
[10:06] <ploum> Mithrandir, I've a LCD screen and it looks perfect for me
[10:06] <AndyFitz> updated again for Mithrandir
[10:07] <AndyFitz> bbiab
[10:07] <Mithrandir> AndyFitz: "The process cannot acces the file because it is being used by another process."
[10:07] <Mithrandir> ploum: if you examine it closely, even?
[10:07] <Mithrandir> AndyFitz: nicer
[10:08] <ploum> Mithrandir, yes. 
[10:08] <ploum> Mithrandir, do you have the problem with this : http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/teams/art.gnome.org/backgrounds/GNOME-FraserIsland.png ?
[10:09] <ploum> we don't seem to have the same tast ;) (I don't like the new one)
[10:09] <ploum> How can an artist like AndyFitz make happy two people with so different taste ? ;-)
[10:09] <Mithrandir> he can't. :)
[10:10] <Mithrandir> the gnome one looks ok here (apart from the stripes, which looks silly. ;)
[10:11] <daniels> fabbione: working on it this week
[10:11] <daniels> Riddell: welcome :)
[10:17] <fabbione> daniels: do you have idea on how to fix #840?
[10:18] <fabbione> i am a bit lost on how to pass the info to the mouse module
[10:19] <jdub> oh man
[10:20] <seb128> hey jdub 
[10:20] <jdub> yo seb128 
[10:20] <Mithrandir> I think g-v-m should complain if you pop in something that's not recognized/not mountable.
[10:20] <seb128> hello everybody else too :)
[10:20] <fabbione> hey seb
[10:21] <seb128> hello fabbione 
[10:21] <seb128> Mithrandir: it displays some messages in the console if you run it from a gnome-terminal
[10:22] <Mithrandir> seb128: well, I'm just a stupid user who doesn't "run" it, it just starts automatically, and if I pop in one of my thumbdrives, it works, if I pop the other one in, it doesn't.
[10:33] <AndyFitz> back
[10:49] <daniels> fabbione: um, afaict it's all to do with the kernel driver
[10:49] <daniels> fabbione: you can write out a module options file (/etc/modutils.d/mouse or something) that has 'options mousedev xres=foo yres=bar'
[10:50] <daniels> you'd probably want to do that in xserver-xfree86 postinst, i assume
[10:50] <daniels> which is a horrific hack, but there you go
[10:53] <fabbione> daniels: that's exactly what i would love to avoid
[10:53] <fabbione> also because the module is probed much earlier
[10:53] <fabbione> that means that X has to unload the module and reload it
[10:53] <fabbione> bad bad bad
[10:54] <daniels> well, we don't know the resolution until that late, no?
[10:54] <daniels> we could enforce a reboot :P
[10:54] <fabbione> oh yeah
[10:55] <daniels> Mithrandir: ...
[11:11] <fabbione> ik5pvx: you around?
[11:15] <fabbione> ok guys...
[11:15] <fabbione> do we have any major issue pending from X ubuntu11?
[11:16] <fabbione> (or lower?)
[11:16] <fabbione> i only have the pc104/pc105 
[11:16] <fabbione> and the PCI pre-seed for dpkg-reconfigure
[11:17] <ik5pvx> fabbione, more or less 
[11:17] <fabbione> ik5pvx: ok.. can you use the step 3 config and fix it to see what needs to be changed?
[11:18] <fabbione> it looks to me only a Horiz/Vert freq problem that doesn't hook up properly on your machine
[11:18] <fabbione> in that case i can try to relax the defaults
[11:19] <ik5pvx> let me see
[11:19] <rburton> this sticky super thing is driving me mad
[11:20] <rburton> X people say its an app problem, i file a metacity bug and hp claims metacity is okay, its an X thing
[11:20] <ik5pvx> I have 2 errors at the end, no matching modes and "screens found but none have usable config:
[11:21] <pitti> Kamion: I just prepared an updated base-config. Did you deliberately not call debconf-updatepo? Because I did it now and it changed quite much
[11:22] <fabbione> ik5pvx: yes i read the log.
[11:22] <fabbione> ik5pvx: screen not found is a consequence of the no matching mode
[11:23] <ik5pvx> playing with config now
[11:23] <fabbione> thanks
[11:24] <ik5pvx> if I replace vesa with ati (and nothing else changed) it starts
[11:24] <ik5pvx> looks more like a problem detecting the chipset....
[11:25] <ik5pvx> I think I saw someone's message about ATI ?
[11:26] <ik5pvx> yes there's a message from daniels... maybe it's the same issue ?
[11:26] <fabbione> ik5pvx: i would like you to not change the driver
[11:26] <fabbione> just try to make vesa working
[11:26] <ik5pvx> ok, let me try
[11:26] <fabbione> if possible at all
[11:30] <ik5pvx> uhm... can vesa do 24 bits ?
[11:33] <fabbione> try a lower one
[11:33] <ik5pvx> no effect
[11:33] <ik5pvx> still unable to find a proper mode
[11:33] <fabbione> did you try to change the Horiz/vert sync?
[11:33] <ik5pvx> I"m trying with crazy horiz/vert values
[11:33] <ik5pvx> no effect either
[11:34] <fabbione> and if you just remove them?
[11:34] <fabbione> or try to lower the resolution to 800x600
[11:34] <ik5pvx> I try
[11:35] <ik5pvx> with no sync lines, it doesn't start 
[11:35] <fabbione> ok
[11:36] <ik5pvx> no sync lines, and 800x600 => no joy
[11:36] <ik5pvx> no sync lines, and 640x480 => no joy
[11:36] <fabbione> add the sync lines
[11:37] <ik5pvx> original sync lines, and 640x480 => still no joy
[11:37] <fabbione> amen
[11:37] <fabbione> daniels: i think we need to depend on discover1
[11:37] <fabbione> or discover
[11:38] <ik5pvx> crazy sync lines and 640x480 => no joy
[11:38] <daniels> fabbione: why depend? doesn't it just error out if it can't get it?
[11:38] <ik5pvx> why doesn't it detect the ati chipset, anyway ?
[11:38] <daniels> ik5pvx: i think a new version of discover1-data should be in the archive
[11:38] <fabbione> daniels: put down the pipe kid...
[11:38] <fabbione> daniels: the problem is NOT discover
[11:39] <fabbione> the problem is that not all cards like vesa driver as default
[11:39] <daniels> ik5pvx: 
[11:39] <daniels> 02:24 < ik5pvx> if I replace vesa with ati (and nothing else changed) it starts
[11:39] <daniels> 02:24 < ik5pvx> looks more like a problem detecting the chipset....
[11:39] <daniels> 02:25 < ik5pvx> I think I saw someone's message about ATI ?
[11:39] <daniels> 02:26 < ik5pvx> yes there's a message from daniels... maybe it's the same issue ?
[11:39] <daniels> fabbione: that's one problem, and it should be fixed. i think it is fixed.
[11:39] <daniels> anyway, i'm still catching up on scrollback, so bear with me.
[11:40] <daniels> do we have a copy of the full log?
[11:45] <fabbione> daniels: no it's not the same issue
[11:45] <fabbione> i had that laptop at home
[11:45] <fabbione> discover1 works fine there
[11:45] <fabbione> the issue is if discover1 is not there
[11:45] <fabbione> and one installs xserver
[11:45] <fabbione> default = vesa = buum
[11:45] <fabbione> possible solution:
[11:45] <fabbione> we depend on discover1
[11:45] <fabbione> and if there is no match we have to ask for the driver
[11:45] <fabbione> daniels: does it sound reasonable to you?
[11:45] <fabbione> daniels: sounder mailing list
[11:45] <fabbione> Pierfrancesco Caci
[11:45] <Kamion> pitti: I probably forgot, it's called on build anyway
[11:46] <Kamion> pitti: I'm not surprised it changes lots
[11:46] <pitti> Kamion: okay. The changes are only line numbers and three added (untranslated) templates
[11:46] <pitti> Kamion: I translated the German templates, while I was at it
[11:47] <pitti> Kamion: Just asking, I'm a bit nervous to change such a central package :-)
[11:48] <Kamion> that sounds fine
[11:48] <Kamion> German> pitti++
[11:49] <Kamion> I was going to do the German translation at some point when I got round to it, but my German's undoubtedly less good than yours :)
[11:53] <daniels> fabbione: why not just check if discover exists, and if it doesn't, ask for the driver?
[11:55] <pitti> Kamion: I think this is excusable :-) If you change other templates, just ask me, I will translate them.
[11:55] <pitti> Kamion: Hopefully this stuff will get a lot easier with Rosetta
[11:56] <fabbione> daniels: to try to avoid one question
[11:56] <daniels> fabbione: huh?
[11:57] <Kamion> pitti: *nod*
[11:57] <daniels> fabbione: if ! which discover; then db_input xserver-xfree86/config/driver; fi
[11:59] <fabbione> daniels: ok. let me repeat the situation again
[11:59] <fabbione> so perhaps you can have it more clear
[11:59] <daniels> i suspect there's something i'm missing
[11:59] <fabbione> GOAL: no question to be asked configuring X, or the minimum
[11:59] <daniels> right
[11:59] <fabbione> problems:
[12:00] <fabbione> 1) not all cards work with the DEFAULT=vesa if discover either is not installed or cannot detect the card
[12:00] <daniels> vesa's a good default, but a shit choice to use
[12:00] <fabbione> daniels: as above.. it doesn't work for all card.
[12:00] <fabbione> (see all the Pierfrancesco Caci mails on sounders and irc logs from today)
[12:00] <fabbione> so possible solution:
[12:01] <fabbione> 1) make X depends on discover1
[12:01] <daniels> as i said. it's a good default (widest coverage), but a shit choice (it really sucks)
[12:01] <fabbione> 2) if discover1 doesn't get crap we are forced to ask
[12:01] <fabbione> in this way the possibility to avoid the question are higher
[12:02] <daniels> i understand, but the thing is, /usr/bin/XFree86 doesn't require discover to be present to operate
[12:02] <daniels> /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86, even
[12:02] <daniels> people might want to purge it after
[12:02] <fabbione> i know that.
[12:02] <daniels> that's why i think a suggests (hell, recommends) is definitely the right thing
[12:02] <fabbione> read still above:
[12:02] <daniels> if people are upgrading, they should have a configuration already, no?
[12:02] <daniels> unless they're upgrading from, what, slink?
[12:02] <daniels> if they're installing, they get discover1
 fine by me if they have to move to a depency (or similar wording)
[12:03] <Kamion> potato was XFree86 3 era IIRC
[12:03] <daniels> ah, tater
[12:03] <Kamion> but I doubt we support upgrades from potato not via woody anyway
[12:03] <daniels> fabbione: well, you're the X maintainer, and mdz's the CTO; move to a dep if you want, but I just think it's massively overprotective
[12:03] <daniels> Kamion: right
[12:06] <daniels> fabbione: i'm afraid that maybe i don't quite get it - in what situations do we have (!discover && newconfig)?
[12:08] <fabbione> a couple of cases
[12:08] <fabbione> expert installs and base woody -> base warty upgrades and then install X
[12:08] <fabbione> or possible combinantions of the above
[12:08] <fabbione> and no.. i am not going to assume anythind
[12:09] <fabbione> anyway i fixed without Dependency
[12:09] <fabbione> we can just bump it to Reccomends
[12:09] <daniels> i honestly don't think we should be cotton-wooling users through those cases; they know what they're doing then anyway
[12:09] <daniels> yeah, recommends is cool, and we should just prompt if discover doesn't exist imho
[12:09] <daniels> but forcing discover ... i'm uncomfortable with that
[12:11] <fabbione> agreed kid
[12:12] <fabbione> Recommends: discover1, mdetect, xresprobe, laptop-detect
[12:12] <fabbione> discover is out of the way
[12:12] <daniels> rad
[12:12] <daniels> how about discover1 | discover?
[12:13] <fabbione> i tought about it, but apparently discover is crap
[12:13] <fabbione> and aren't we going to move it to universe anyway?
[12:18] <thom> Kamion: when is the daily cd build? 6am or so?
[12:18] <Kamion> 21 8 * * *      /srv/cdimage.no-name-yet.com/bin/cron.daily
[12:18] <thom> oh, right
[12:19] <daniels> fabbione: i'd love to kick discover to universe, and it's crap, but if people already have it, it works, thanks to the discover_video() in config (maybe postinst, either way)
[12:19] <Kamion> typically takes less than ten minutes
[12:20] <fabbione> daniels: that doesn't matter. i prefer discover1 in general, since at least it is maintained
[12:20] <fabbione> discover2 is dead even upstream apparently
[12:20] <daniels> hah, doesn't surprise me
[12:20] <daniels> i prefer discover1, as i said, but if people already have discover, then we should probably use it and allow it instead of forcing them to switch
[12:21] <daniels> you can't legislate against stupidity ;)
[12:21] <fabbione> daniels: it is only a recommends, i am not going to purge the code that supports discover2
[12:25] <rburton> looks like evolution-webcal needs a rebuild for the new soup
[12:28] <Oskuro> hmm, what's Ubuntu's choice for cd recording?
[12:28] <Oskuro> Just n-c-b?
[12:28] <seb128> yes
[12:28] <seb128> do you know some good GNOME cd recording tools ?
[12:28] <Oskuro> does that cover everything? Isn't there anything similar to k3b?
[12:29] <Oskuro> eroaster isn't "good", but it's probably the best thing out there. It's not near k3b at all though.
[12:29] <Oskuro> still waiting for libburn...
[12:29] <seb128> rburton: yes, basically jdub is waiting on new evolution, and I was hopping to get Kitame's packages soon to spare some work :p
[12:29] <thom> man, current metacity is doing some whacky shit
[12:29] <Kamion> Oskuro: n-c-b?
[12:29] <Kamion> (expand?)
[12:30] <Oskuro> Kamion: nautilus-cd-burner
[12:30] <thom> nautilus-cd-burner
[12:30] <Kamion> aha
[12:30] <fabbione> xfree86 (4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu12) warty; urgency=low
[12:30] <fabbione>   * Always feed bus_id questions. Usefull when reconfiguring.
[12:30] <fabbione>   * Set default keyboard model to pc105 on all layout other than us.
[12:30] <fabbione>   * "Recommends" hw detection tools instead of "Suggests:"
[12:30] <fabbione>   * Turned the video driver question back on if there is no autodetection.
[12:30] <fabbione>     DEFAULT=vesa is not enough.
[12:30] <seb128> cool
[12:30] <fabbione> anything more?
[12:30] <Oskuro> Hmm, I'm not sure that's good enough for common tasks like "mp3 -> cda" recordings and all
[12:30] <rburton> fabbione: british keyboards are pc104
[12:30] <seb128> Oskuro: we don't have any GNOME soft good for this
[12:30] <Oskuro> fabbione: s/Usefull/Useful/ ;)
[12:30] <fabbione> thom ???
[12:31] <fabbione> Oskuro: thanks :-)
[12:31] <Oskuro> seb128: I know, I wanted to see if there's a void in Warty for that.
[12:31] <Oskuro> We have the same problem in Lliurex
[12:31] <rburton> Oskuro: there is another cd burning patch for rhythmbox...
[12:32] <Kamion> rburton: uh? every British keyboard I've used is pc105
[12:32] <fabbione> jeeee
[12:32] <Oskuro> I guess many people would expect something like Nero/k3b though. Mum would be quite lost with just rb and nautilus. :|
[12:32] <fabbione> GB is completly fucked up :P
[12:32] <Kamion> GB is perfectly sane, rburton is mad :-)
[12:32] <fabbione> they drive on the wrong side, they close pubs at 11, they don't use a standard keyboard...
[12:33] <thom> rburton: learn to count :-)
[12:33] <rburton> really? darn. i've not counted :)
[12:33] <fabbione> ok i am going to drop debconf priority to low if locale = en_*
[12:33] <rburton> i followed X, it said if I have a <> key then i have 105 other 104
[12:34] <fabbione> ok... so is it pc105????
[12:34] <fabbione> last call!
[12:34] <Oskuro> seb128: fwiw, in Lliurex we're sticking to eroaster for now, even if it sucks a bit.
[12:34] <rburton> aha, the extra key is the \ | key
[12:34] <seb128> jdub: here ?
[12:35] <rburton> the keyboard preview code in gnome rocks
[12:36] <seb128> "We should optimise for the common case. 90% of the time when I'm 
[12:36] <seb128> double-clicking on a folder inside nautilus, I want to open that window 
[12:36] <seb128> and close the current one. Is that typical for everyone? "
[12:36] <seb128> no this *again*
[12:36] <seb128> aaaarg
[12:37] <jdub> seb128: yeah
[12:37] <seb128> please reply jdub 
[12:37] <jdub> yeah, doing so
[12:37] <seb128> thanks :)
[12:41] <thom> fabbione: yes, it's 105. most everything that isn't US is 105 aiui
[12:41] <daniels> rburton: pc104 used to work, but now you just silently use a key :)
[12:41] <daniels> s/use/lose/
[12:42] <Oskuro> seb128: hmm, what mailing list is that?
[12:43] <seb128> Oskuro: mail from Mark on the sounder list
[12:43] <Oskuro> is that one public for all sounders? I'm not subscribed, obviously.
[12:43] <seb128> yes
[12:43] <jdub> Oskuro: subscribe!
[12:43] <seb128> Oskuro: that should be in the sounder mail you got
[12:44] <Oskuro> I thought I had been subbed by jdub automatically. :)
[12:44] <jdub> Oskuro: the invite gave you directions to subscribe
[12:44] <seb128> ah ah
[12:44] <seb128> rejecting the fault on jdub ? :)
[12:44] <Oskuro> jdub: right, sorry. :)
[12:45] <thom> Oskuro: dude, you so suck
[12:45] <thom> ;-)
[12:46] <Oskuro> I think I stopped reading jdub's mail at
[12:46] <Oskuro>   Public website, summary of what we're doing:
[12:46] <Oskuro>     http://www.no-name-yet.com/
[12:46] <Oskuro> missing the mailing list bit. O:)
[12:47] <Oskuro> sounder list run by jdub at perkypants.org
[12:47] <Oskuro> I've been waiting to be accepted for more than 25 secs and I haven't been approved yet!
[12:47] <Oskuro> What The Fuck!
[12:48] <thom> it takes longer than that for one IP packet to get to australia, dude
[12:48] <Oskuro> lol
[12:49] <daniels> thom: that's enough out of you
[12:50] <jdub> gksudo must kill the tty or something
[12:50] <daniels> thom: you should go to the gym and polish up on your squash, maybe you have a chance of catching the combined tally of people from the eastern suburbs of melbourne next olympics :P
[12:50] <daniels> (you have -> great britain has)
[12:54] <Gman_> 8 days to sydney!
[12:54] <jdub> daniels: are you coming up for debsig?
[12:55] <daniels> jdub: yeah, probably just for the day though
[12:55] <daniels> can't afford to lose any more time away
[12:55] <jdub> overnight though?
[12:55] <daniels> yeah
[12:55] <jdub> ok
[12:55] <jdub> it'll have to be overnight for full impact ;)
[12:55] <Gman_> bring a roll mat
[12:55] <jdub> what Gman_ said
[12:55] <daniels> so probably arrive late afternoon 15th -> leave morning 16th
[12:56] <daniels> no couch love?
[12:56] <jdub> gman will have the mattress
[12:56] <jdub> the couch is not for sleeping ;)
[12:56] <daniels> heh
[12:56] <Gman_> do i need to bring a sleeping bag?
[12:56] <daniels> man, i was so first in saying i'd come
[12:56] <daniels> bloody kiwi blow-ins
[12:56] <Gman_> i don't mind kipping on the floor for one night
[12:57] <jdub> Gman_: we have linen for the mattress, but sometimes a sleeping bag is better
[12:57] <Gman_> ok, will bring one then
[12:57] <jdub> man
[12:57] <jdub> i am so the sudo master now
[12:57] <daniels> Gman_: nah, the mattress is yours :)
[12:58] <daniels> frigging hell, this i855fix or whatever stevea needs seems to be very, very obscure
[12:58] <daniels> (as in, i spent 10 minutes and can't find it)
[12:58] <Gman_> daniels, i'll buy you a beer :)
[12:59] <daniels> Gman_: heh, word
[01:01] <AndyFitz> the stock image used for gnome-fs-client   ( my computer )  is referenced in alot of other icons..
[01:01] <AndyFitz> I have notebook laptops, desktop with crt monitors, lcd desktops etc.  id like to know what is the most common setup warty will be installed on.. for end users ( commodity hardware ? new desktop ?  server? laptop ?
[01:02] <Oskuro> daniels: dude
[01:02] <Oskuro> I would nmu dbus, but I'm not sure the bug is in dbus or somewhere else. I guess it is though.
[01:02] <jdub> AndyFitz: if you can find something that is roughly monitor-keyboard-mouse only, and doesn't imply a specific type, that'd be great
[01:04] <daniels> Oskuro: the expat thing?
[01:04] <Oskuro> yes
[01:04] <daniels> nmu dbus
[01:04] <daniels> send all falmes to me, and i'll studiously ignore them
[01:04] <Oskuro> if I compile gnome-vfs with dbus support, it fails due to lack of expat-dev
[01:04] <daniels> flames, too
[01:04] <AndyFitz> wasnt planning on including a mouse ( too many visual elements ) but theres no way i can hide the difference between crt and lcd
[01:05] <Oskuro> does that mean dbus-dev needs expat-dev in depends? I think so.
[01:05] <daniels> Oskuro: i think so, yah
[01:05] <jdub> AndyFitz: if you show just the front, straight-on...?
[01:06] <elmo> I thought we'd disabled firewire ethernet?
[01:08] <AndyFitz> straight on is possible but will look a tad forced. another thing to note is that both monitor types have different support and lcds have a smaller border along the case 
[01:08] <daniels> elmo: er, yah
[01:09] <Oskuro> daniels: will fix then DUDE
[01:09] <Oskuro> why can't you upload, anyway?
[01:09] <Oskuro> I mean, it'd be better to have a maintainer release in sarge.
[01:09] <daniels> no pure debian system
[01:09] <Oskuro> chroot?
[01:09] <daniels> i'm not debootstrapping while the line is still capped to 512
[01:10] <Oskuro> daniels: if you gimme a .dsc and .diff I can sponsor.
[01:10] <daniels> put it this way: i'm still rsyncing back warty to *update* my warty mirror
[01:10] <daniels> Oskuro: hmm
[01:10] <daniels> i'll do that later tonight, thanks
[01:10] <Oskuro> k, I'll be around so it doesn't miss dinstall.
[01:10] <daniels> rad, ta
[01:11] <Oskuro> make it urgency=high dude :)
[01:11] <Oskuro> I'll mail the bug about this now
[01:11] <daniels> yeah, it will be
[01:11] <daniels> jesus, gcc takes a long time to come down.
[01:12] <Mithrandir> daniels: I'm sure you'll love the ia32-libs source.  A chummy 138MB.
[01:13] <daniels> i just got amd64-libs
[01:14] <daniels> i'm really hoping they don't say 'the unlimited plan will kick in next month', beacuse that will, um, totally ruin my day
[01:14] <daniels> given >4GB is 0.8c/MB right now
[01:35] <ik5pvx> fabbione, need other tests with X? can I restore good config ?
[01:36] <fabbione> ik5pvx: thanks.. just go ahead
[01:36] <AndyFitz> just the  bike article 
[01:39] <AndyFitz> erm
[01:40] <Kamion> geez, Morphix doesn't mess about when it comes to mounting lots of filesystems
[01:40] <Kamion> morph@Morphix / $ wc -l /proc/mounts
[01:40] <Kamion> 20 /proc/mounts
[01:41] <Kamion> half of which are the same ...
[01:45] <thom> daniels: uh, the DL140 is a server :-)
[01:47] <fabbione> hem.. rburton .. defoma explains explicitly that you need to add the paths to the X config file
[01:52] <fabbione> hmm did they kill the debconf templates?
[01:57] <Kamion> hm, d'oh, might be helpful to use daily-built initrds on i386
[01:59] <elmo> kamion: how do I get the desktop stuff want-to-be-installed, without using base-config?
[02:00] <Kamion> aptitude -y install ~tubuntu-desktop?
[02:01] <elmo> hmm, yeah, that doesn't seem to set them to 'install' when you have an uninstallable.. meh
[02:01] <Kamion> oh, run aptitude and select the task in the UI, then
[02:01] <Kamion> you get to ignore broken packages that way
[02:02] <elmo> that would require me to be able to run aptitude without running screaming from the room ;-)
[02:02] <elmo> but ok
[02:02] <elmo> okay, getting very bored with the lack of tty tickets
[02:03] <elmo> --\ Tasks                                                                                                                                               
[02:03] <elmo>   --\ Unrecognized tasks                                                                                                                                
[02:03] <elmo>     --- ubuntu-desktop    
[02:03] <elmo> "Unrecognized"? 
[02:03] <Kamion> see sounder@
[02:03] <Kamion> Subject: Bits about tasks or something like that, from me
[02:03] <jdub> elmo: it's a breakaway task which we have no diplomatic relations with at this stage
[02:04] <Kamion> hm, I wonder why my netcfg changes didn't have the desired effect
[02:05] <elmo> kamion: no cdrom copying to /var/cache/apt yet?
[02:08] <Kamion> boot with anna/choose_modules=archive-copier
[02:08] <elmo> oh, we're not defaulting to it, or just not yet?
[02:08] <Kamion> ok, this is scary, debian-cd has like taken on a life of its own and started doing the right thing even though its code said otherwise
[02:09] <Kamion> probably just not yet
[02:21] <fabbione> rburton: what is the default defoma path?
[02:22] <rburton> FontPath        "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"
[02:22] <rburton>         FontPath        "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/CID"
[02:22] <rburton> is what defoma tells the user to add when it installs
[02:24] <fabbione> only these 2?
[02:29] <elmo> does aptitude do the whole "install Prio: standard by default" thing?
[02:30] <jdub> yo spiv 
[02:30] <Kamion> elmo: I hope not
[02:30] <spiv> Good morning.
[02:30] <jdub> how's mary's lifebook going?
[02:32] <spiv> She's *just* finished burning the ubuntu CD :)
[02:32] <jdub> ahar!
[02:37] <fabbione> rburton: ok i can add them to the defaults.
[02:37] <fabbione> rburton: they will be in ubuntu12
[02:46] <fabbione> Mithrandir: i am testing your upload queue :-)
[02:46] <Mithrandir> I think it works now.
[02:46] <Mithrandir> in the beginning, it just ate uploads
[02:46] <fabbione> i am still uploading
[02:46] <fabbione> there
[02:46] <fabbione> upload done
[02:47] <fabbione> you can check if it works now :-)
[02:47] <Mithrandir> it'll run in 13 minutes
[02:47] <fabbione> i expected so :-)
[02:47] <fabbione> i am going to grab a bite in the meanwhile
[02:47] <elmo> err, are my computer and wastebasket icons meant to be bits of paper?
[02:48] <seb128> no
[02:48] <Oskuro> enope, you probably get that for most other icons
[02:48] <seb128>  ps ax | grep setting
[02:48] <seb128> (check if gnome-settings-daemon is running)
[02:49] <elmo> 21727 ?        S      0:01 /usr/lib/control-center/gnome-settings-daemon --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:GNOME_SettingsDaemon --oaf-ior-fd=22
[02:49] <seb128> ok
[02:49] <seb128> which icon theme are you using ?
[02:50] <elmo> seb128: a) it's a completely virgin, today's daily ISO install, I haven't configured anything, b) I dunno, how do I find out? :)
[02:50] <seb128> gnome-theme-manager
[02:50] <spiv> jdub: Mary's getting "There was a problem installing the selected software"
[02:50] <seb128> details -> icons
[02:51] <elmo> spiv: yeah, evolution-webcal and evolution-exchange are busticated
[02:51] <spiv> elmo: Is there a workaround?
[02:51] <seb128> and are ubuntu-artwork and suede-icons installed ?
[02:51] <elmo> seb128: suede
[02:51] <elmo> seb128: no suede-icons
[02:51] <elmo> + installed
[02:51] <fabbione> elmo: how did X behaved?
[02:52] <seb128> ok, that's the problem
[02:52] <spiv> (So that she can finish installing)
[02:52] <seb128> ubuntu-artwork used to depends on it and should
[02:52] <elmo> spiv: drop out of base-config and run 'aptitude -y install ~tubuntu-desktop'
[02:52] <elmo> err, or rather go into aptitude's ui and do it from there by hand, sorry
[02:53] <elmo> fabbione: fine, no questions, and it's working
[02:53] <spiv> elmo: Ok, thanks.
[02:53] <elmo> tho, we still don't have 2nd/3rd mouse button mappings
[02:53] <fabbione> elmo: cool
[02:53] <fabbione> elmo: uh? ok you will explain me in a few minteus.. i need to eeat something
[02:54] <seb128> npmccallum: why do you removed the ubuntu-artwork depends on suede-icons
[02:54] <seb128> ?
[02:54] <spiv> Hmm, aptitude shows no packages.
[02:55] <elmo> spiv: go to the task?
[02:55] <elmo> and select ubuntu-desktop
[02:57] <spiv> elmo: Ok, looks like that's working so far.
[02:57] <spiv> elmo: Although it didn't look like evolution was installed yet when she saw that problem -- it was after installing mdetect & friends.
[02:58] <rburton> seb128: the panel seems to be very eager to remove the Run Application... entry at the smallest change
[02:58] <rburton> i upgraded discover and it disappeared
[02:58] <elmo> spiv: yeah, after installing mdetect & friends, it tries to instlal ubuntu-desktop and fails because the two evo packages are uninstallable
[02:58] <spiv> Ah, ok.
[02:58] <seb128> rburton: yes, I've noticed that too, need to look on it
[03:09] <Mithrandir> only a pickaxe?  You're much too kind
[03:09] <thom> this is just to soften it up for the fusion bomb followup
[03:11] <fabbione> Mithrandir: x went ok.. so i guess the queue is working :-)
[03:11] <Mithrandir> goodie
[03:13] <pitti> seb128: is it a know bug/todo item that all icons in GNOME look only like a white sheet of paper?
[03:13] <seb128> pitti: read the last IRC screen
[03:14] <seb128> ie: you probably miss suede-icons package
[03:14] <fabbione> elmo: what is the problem with the mouse 2nd/3rd button mapping?
[03:15] <pitti> seb128: yes, sorry.
[03:15] <seb128> np :)
[03:18] <pitti> fabbione: maybe that there is no 2nd/3rc button on ppc? At least this is _my_ problem
[03:19] <pitti> fabbione: I mapped them to F11 and the command key on my sid
[03:26] <thom> pitti: not really an X thing, since  they're set with sysctl
[03:26] <thom> (i think, anyway)
[03:26] <pitti> thom: of course. and I'm glad that this is so, because otherwise I could not use gpm :-)
[03:27] <fabbione> oh ok....
[03:27] <fabbione> until it doesn't require another X upload, i am happy :-)
[03:28] <thom> fabbione: s/until/as long as/
[03:29] <fabbione> thom: thanks :-)
[03:29] <elmo> thom: hmm, sugarplum is in universe
[03:30] <thom> so i can't upload it at all?
[03:30] <elmo> no, you can, just wondering why there's a bug about it in debzilla
[03:30] <thom> ah
[03:31] <elmo> ah, it's a clone
[03:36] <lamont> fabbione: you're assuming that I remember what I changed???
[03:37] <lamont> what I currently have is:
[03:37] <lamont> Section "Monitor"
[03:37] <lamont>         Identifier      "Generic Monitor"
[03:37] <lamont>         HorizSync       28-75
[03:37] <lamont>         VertRefresh     43-99
[03:37] <lamont>         Option          "DPMS"
[03:37] <lamont> EndSection
[03:37] <lamont> and then DefaultDepth 16 in Section "Screen"
[03:37] <lamont> that lets me have 1280x1024 on this monitor
[03:38] <thom> AAARGH
[03:38] <thom> the backuppc maintainer is a fucktard
[03:39] <HcE> what else is new ;)
[03:39] <HcE> backup always stop working the day before you need it
[03:41] <fabbione> lamont: ok hold on a sec...
[03:41] <fabbione> lamont: can you do the tests in order as i described them to sounder@ ?
[03:41] <lamont> fabbione: sure.. gotta go find which mail they're in...
[03:41] <lamont> 'second call'?
[03:41] <fabbione> lamont: yup
[03:42] <fabbione> and if something needs to be changes, please take note of what/why
[03:42] <fabbione> changed even
[03:43] <lamont> fabbione: noticed upgrading from -u7 to -u9, which was, of course, broken.  But we knew that
[03:43] <fabbione> lamont: there is ubuntu11 out. please use it
[03:43] <fabbione> otherwise wait ubuntu12 to be built
[03:43] <lamont> fabbione: yeah, I have 11 where I can upgrade easily
[03:43] <fabbione> old packages are broken and testing on them is useless
[03:43] <fabbione> perfect
[03:43] <fabbione> 11 rocks
[03:44] <fabbione> 12 will 0wn ya ;)
[03:44] <pitti> elmo: I just read (and replied to) your install report. Are alt and apple swapped on the console? This occurrs on my iBook, don't know about powerbooks
[03:45] <elmo> pitti: seems to be, yes
[03:45] <elmo> fabbione: it worked - if you want me to bitch, just break it ;-)
[03:46] <fabbione> elmo: no way....
[03:46] <fabbione> another 14 hours marathon with X and people will start confusing me with Branden
[03:46] <pitti> elmo: so this occurs both on a German ibook and an english Powerbook -> on all mac notebooks probably
[03:46] <pitti> elmo: I write a bug report
[03:46] <fabbione> no seriously.. i start to feel insane
[03:49] <elmo> pitti: cool
[03:53] <fabbione> what is a good picture gallery/manager/storage/readmymind software?
[03:53] <elmo> apparently the good ones are all mono-madness, gthumb is a bit crap, but usable for simple stuff
[03:54] <fabbione> i don't even know what mono is
[03:54] <fabbione> mono-cromatic?
[03:54] <lamont> fabbione: of course, I really don't want to restart X...
[03:55] <lamont> fabbione: which of the many mails from you to sounder@ has the test sequence?
[03:55] <fabbione> lamont: the first one?
[03:55] <lamont> which subject
[03:56] <fabbione>     252 Aug 31 To: Sounder!                   (5550) . Second call for X testers.
[03:56] <lamont> ok
[03:56] <lamont> found it
[03:56] <elmo> fabbione: mono, the .NET on linux stuff
[03:56] <fabbione> lamont: you will have to restart X. sorry
[03:56] <fabbione> elmo: i know.. just kidding :-)
[03:56] <lamont> duh... :-)
[03:57] <fabbione> i hate everything that contains the words: java, javascripts, php, .NET, m$ and so on...
[03:57] <lamont> only 112 packages upgraded...
[03:57] <fabbione> lamont: it is to simulate different scenarios..
[04:04] <lamont> brb
[04:08] <Oskuro> daniels: ping
[04:08] <Oskuro> daniels: dude have you prepared that?
[04:10] <Keybuk> elmo/lamont: dpkg 1.10.23 isn't *in* Ubuntu -- no idea why something would be dep-waiting on it
[04:11] <Keybuk> unless lamont did a "needs shlibs magic" hack, and his brain wasn't awake (1.10.22ubuntu2 has that for us)
[04:11] <elmo> yeah, I think it's just that
[04:11] <lamont> Keybuk: the changelog said 'goswin'
[04:12] <Keybuk> lamont: changelog of?
[04:12] <lamont> amd64-libs
[04:12] <Keybuk> oh wait, is this just Goswin being a Moron?
[04:12] <lamont> duh.
[04:12] <lamont> :-)
[04:13] <Keybuk> 1.10.22ubuntu1 has the amd64 archtable entry for us
[04:13] <Keybuk> the only other stuff in wookie was hurd fixes for s-s-d and POSIX test options in the method scripts
[04:14] <Keybuk> which we don't care about, so I didn't stamp over the freeze
[04:17] <fabbione> is there any specific reason why ia32-libs is a native package?
[04:29] <tvon_> Is there an issue tracker around?
[04:30] <Kamion> https://bugzilla.no-name-yet.com/
[04:30] <lamont> fabbione: interesting...
[04:30] <lamont> I was clearly misreading things...
[04:30] <lamont> but now I get these two pesky pop-up windows, and then a failsafe session:
[04:30] <lamont> Xsession:
[04:30] <lamont> and 'I'
[04:31] <lamont> needless to say, that's not very infomrative.
[04:34] <lamont> ah, that would explain it...  ps is my friend
[04:34] <lamont> lamont    9451  0.0  5.1 13116 6588 ?        S    08:34   0:00 /usr/bin/zenity --info --text Xsession: run_parts() called, but "/etc/X11/Xsession.d" does not exist or is not a directory. Please report the installed version of the "xfree86-common" package and the complete text of this error message to <debian-x@lists.debian.org>.
[04:34] <lamont> I think maybe X shouldn't have NUKED /etc/X11 on purge, without making sure that everything that had crap there was gone first...
[04:37] <lamont> looks like the monitor just has to think for a second before it's happy with ultra-high resolutions
[04:37] <rburton> fabbione: earlier i was changing my X to have a pc105 keyboard, i used dpkg-reconfigure but XF86Config-4 wasn't changed.  i deleted the file, re-ran -reconfigure and that time it didn't write the file.
[04:37] <rburton> i had to remove xserver-xfree86 and install it again
[04:38] <fabbione> lamont: xserver-xfree86 does not nuck /etc/X11
[04:38] <fabbione> rburton: just a sec. you did 2 things wrong
[04:38] <fabbione> nuke even
[04:39] <fabbione> lamont: i do it on a much more often base than you... it doesn't
[04:39] <fabbione> if you purge ALL x packages.. well 
[04:39] <fabbione> 1) there was no need to
[04:39] <fabbione> 2) /etc/X11 might go away
[04:39] <lamont> doh.  moved a bit more than just the config file out of the way...
[04:40] <fabbione> rburton: if you change manually XF86Config-4 the dpkg-reconfigure will not touch it anymore. SImply because it detects a user change.
[04:40] <fabbione> rburton: removing the file has the same effect.
[04:40] <fabbione> rburton: simply because you might not want to have a config file..
[04:41] <fabbione> rburton: reinstalling is an option, but not the best one. check /var/lib/xfree86/*.md5sum
[04:41] <fabbione> and remove the relative file or update its contents
[04:41] <lamont> brb
[04:41] <fabbione> rburton: basically the package respected your manual changes all over
[04:42] <fabbione> pitti: the new libgphoto2 package works like a charm
[04:42] <rburton> fabbione: i seeee
[04:42] <fabbione> i didn't test mount/pmount yet
[04:44] <fabbione> rburton: but i agree it can be improved there...
[04:45] <fabbione> rburton: not that easily...
[04:45] <fabbione> it will be hoary stuff
[04:45] <lamont> fabbione: what did I do???  X won't start now
[04:45] <fabbione> lamont: /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[04:46] <fabbione> check at the end the reason
[04:46] <fabbione> lamont: and i have no idea what you did...
[04:46] <lamont> is old and stale.
[04:46] <lamont> fresh boot says 'do you want to see the output', and then gives a nice empty text box when you say yes.
[04:46] <fabbione> it should be updated each time you run X or gdm
[04:46] <fabbione> AH
[04:47] <lamont> how do I get gdm to run again after it disables itself???
[04:47] <seb128> /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[04:47] <fabbione> lamont: ok.. let's do it manually
[04:47] <fabbione> lamont: let's figure first how you manage to kill your X installation
[04:47] <fabbione> lamont: startx
[04:47] <fabbione> kill gdm and any kind of login manager
[04:47] <fabbione> they only make things more complicated
[04:48] <lamont> unable to open /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config
[04:48] <fabbione> ok.. where is your Xwrapper.config file?
[04:49] <lamont> just a minute while I back up and undo some crap.
[04:49] <fabbione> lamont: ok. i don't understand what you did..
[04:50] <fabbione> de-installing xserver-xfree86 does not do this mess
[04:50] <fabbione> brb
[04:50] <lamont> fabbione: no, that was my doing... :-(
[04:51] <lamont> Fatal server error: could not opne default font 'fixed'
[04:53] <fabbione> lamont: i am afraid you purged too many packages
[04:53] <lamont> I wonder if maybe just purging anything gnome/X related and reinstalling might not be the best plan...
[04:54] <fabbione> lamont: second
[04:54] <fabbione> gimme a second
[04:55] <fabbione> lamont: apt-get install x-window-system
[04:55] <fabbione> it should install all the missing packages
[04:55] <lamont> x-window-system-core
[04:55] <fabbione> or that one or the other
[04:56] <fabbione> the latter is less packages
[04:56] <fabbione> but it will do fine
[04:56] <lamont> well, x-window-system doesn't exist...
[04:56] <Kamion> sadly my other work is now blocked on this mirror run completing :(
[04:56] <fabbione> Kamion: 100MB of native package *shrug*
[04:56] <lamont> Package x-window-system is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:57] <lamont> which is to say, it's probably in universe.
[04:57] <Kamion> fabbione: I can see why it's native
[04:57] <lamont> and installing -core didn't fix a thing
[04:57] <fabbione> lamont: probably it's in universe
[04:57] <Kamion> (where would the single upstream source tarball come from otherwise?)
[04:57] <fabbione> lamont: are all the other packages installed? it didn't try to install anything?
[04:59] <lamont> everything else is installed
[04:59] <lamont> OTOH, note that I did apt-get install --reinstall the lot of them.
[04:59] <fabbione> reinstall xfonts too
[05:02] <lamont> I could not start your session and so I have started the failsafe xterm session. Windows now have focus only if you have your cursor above them. To get out of this mode type 'exit' in the window in the upper left corner
[05:02] <lamont> hrmpf
[05:02] <lamont> what more does it want, I wonder...
[05:03] <fabbione> is that from gdm?
[05:04] <lamont> I think so maybe
[05:04] <fabbione> Xsession ?
[05:04] <lamont> gdm ran /etc/gdm/Xsesion default which ran zenity to bitch
[05:09] <lamont> hrm... running gnome-session from within the failsafe terminal session is, um, interestring
[05:09] <lamont> bitches about complex XKB fconfigurations
[05:09] <fabbione> ehhh????
[05:10] <lamont> random rambling, I expect...
[05:11] <Keybuk> xkb is evil
[05:11] <Keybuk> though I'm happy I now have a compose:rctrl/"Right Ctrl is Compose" option
[05:11] <lamont>  /etc/gdm/Xsession: line 3: [: too many arguments
[05:11] <lamont> that'd be a bug...
[05:11] <fabbione> lamont: i am sorry but i have no idea of the mess you are in and i think a clean reinstall of the packages is the best solution
[05:12] <fabbione> tho i am sure xserver would never kill /etc/X11
[05:12] <lamont> fabbione: agreed.  (Ikilled /etc/X11...
[05:13] <lamont> mv /etc/X11 save instead of mv /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 save
[05:13] <fabbione> eh
[05:13] <fabbione> it can't rain forever
[05:18] <lamont> hrmpf.  looks to be bitching because STARTUP="" in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/55gnome-session_gnomerc
[05:31] <lamont> fabbione: btw, xserver confirms resolution at install time (after debconf run), obviously...
[05:34] <fabbione> lamont 
[05:35] <fabbione> it does if it cannot probe them
[05:36] <AndyFitz> http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/play.png
[05:36] <AndyFitz> the new palette is here  http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/palette.png
[05:37] <Keybuk> AndyFitz: my one comment would be it's a bit odd with some diagonal, and some flat on the ground, and some perspective :-/  otherwise cute :p
[05:39] <AndyFitz> thanks keybuk. none are really in a perspective but you'll notice if you tilt your head that the diagonal icons are _really boring_ if left flat on the shelf :)
[05:40] <Keybuk> AndyFitz: the scanner looks like it's at a different angle to the laptop
[05:41] <AndyFitz> actually yeah. that could do with some revision.  ill draw another scanner flat and see
[05:43] <lamont__> totem is in universe?
[05:44] <Keybuk> lamont__: totem-gstreamer is in main?
[05:44] <lamont__> ah, probably
[05:45] <lamont__> this feels like a freshly installed system, kinda. :(
[05:45] <lamont__> how do I set the default font for xterm?
[05:46] <fabbione> lamont__: on the command line
[05:50] <lamont__> Keybuk: that's why I had totem installed instead of totem-gstreamer.  It actually plays my DVD's..
[05:51] <Keybuk> blame jdub for that one :p
[06:04] <Keybuk> Configuration file `/etc/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86'
[06:04] <Keybuk>  ==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation.
[06:04] <Keybuk>  ==> Package distributor has shipped an updated version.
[06:04] <Keybuk> *giggle*
[06:07] <Mithrandir> heh
[06:08] <Keybuk> must submit that patch
[06:20] <kagou> hi
[06:20] <Keybuk> fabbione: Super key is still screwed in ubuntu12 :-(  have to press+release it for the workspace/window list to go away
[06:20] <Keybuk> and is this normal?
[06:21] <Keybuk> syndicate scott# discover --disable=serial,parallel --format="%S %D\n" video
[06:21] <Keybuk> XFree86 ati
[06:21] <Keybuk> XFree86 vesa
[06:21] <Keybuk> -- 
[06:21] <seb128> hey kagou 
[06:21] <kagou> hey seb128 :) i'm under warty ;)
[06:21] <seb128> cool
[06:21] <kagou> re ploum_
[06:21] <seb128> how was the installation ?
[06:21] <kagou> nice but with 1 error
[06:22] <seb128> which one ?
[06:22] <kagou> time system configuration
[06:22] <ploum_> hello kagou 
[06:22] <kagou> under sarge we can choose local time and precise if the bios clock is at UTC or not
[06:23] <kagou> here i put Europe/Paris but i'v 2H of decalage
[06:23] <seb128> I see
[06:24] <Kamion> decalage?
[06:24] <seb128> shift
[06:24] <Kamion> the removal of the timezone question was deliberate at Mark's request
[06:25] <Kamion> https://bugzilla.no-name-yet.com/show_bug.cgi?id=415
[06:25] <lamont__> Kamion: so how do we determine TZ then?
[06:25] <mdz> Keybuk: that's normal if you have two video cards...
[06:25] <Keybuk> mdz: just one
[06:26] <Keybuk> it's giving two drivers for one card
[06:26] <Kamion> lamont__: sorry, imprecise; I mean the one that asks whether your BIOS clock is on UTC
[06:26] <mdz> Keybuk: add --vendor and --model
[06:26] <lamont__> which way did we force the answer?
[06:26] <Kamion> lamont__: to UTC
[06:26] <lamont__> good
[06:27] <mdz> Keybuk: that is, get rid of --format and replace it with --vendor and --model
[06:27] <mdz> Keybuk: most likely it's seeing another device and considering it a video card
[06:29] <Keybuk> ATI Technologies, Inc. ATI Default Card
[06:29] <Keybuk> ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon IGP 340M
[06:29] <Keybuk> seeing the same card twice
[06:35] <fabbione> Keybuk: no. the super key is ok as it is. Upstream won't roll back to the original behaviour because it will introduce other bugs.
[06:36] <fabbione> Keybuk: lspci -n ?
[06:38] <fabbione> (btw if discover detects more than one video card it will select and configure only the first one)
[06:38] <Keybuk> fabbione: how is it ok?  shouldn't it act just like alt?
[06:39] <Keybuk> fabbione: I'm just wondering ... has daniels added a 1002:* to discover?  (ATI make more than just video cards)
[06:39] <Keybuk> my laptop has an ATI PCI Bridge
[06:39] <Keybuk> and an ATI Host Bridge, heh
[06:44] <fabbione> Keybuk: apparently no. i am trying to find the reference... just a second..
[06:44] <lamont__> fabbione: btw, thanks for help with fixing my screwup
[06:44] <fabbione> Keybuk: lspci -n ?
[06:45] <fabbione> lamont__: i did nothing...
[06:45] <Keybuk> 0000:00:00.0 Class 0600: 1002:cbb2 (rev 02)
[06:45] <Keybuk> 0000:00:01.0 Class 0604: 1002:7010
[06:45] <Keybuk>     :
[06:45] <Keybuk> 0000:01:05.0 Class 0300: 1002:4337
[06:45] <lamont__> fabbione: you were a wealth of information when I was being frustrated.
[06:45] <fabbione> i still did nothing :)
[06:46] <mdz> Keybuk: ahh
[06:46] <fabbione> Keybuk: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=259740
[06:46] <mdz> I guess this is where the vendor-id-based default comes apart
[06:47] <fabbione> mdz: good catch...
[06:47] <Keybuk> mdz: vendor-id is useful, if you remember to only look at class=03xx :p
[06:47] <mdz> Keybuk: file that as a bug in bugzilla and assign it to daniels
[06:47] <fabbione> but X still take the first one in input
[06:47] <fabbione> Keybuk: the last part of the bug is interesting
[06:48] <lamont__> did jdub go to sleep already>?
[06:48] <Kamion> mdz: removing eth1394 from hw-detect now
[06:48] <mdz> Kamion: ok, I'll upload hotplug
[06:49] <Kamion> done
[06:51] <lamont__> hrm.. almost 3 AM his time.  bet so.
[06:51] <Keybuk> mdz: done
[06:51] <mdz> thanks
[06:51] <Oskuro> gah, speaking of daniels... I had forgotten about dbus
[06:53] <Keybuk> fabbione: so Super_L is a "fake key" ... how would GTK+ know it has to ignore that?
[06:54] <fabbione> Keybuk: according to Ivan, applications have to be fixed....
[06:54] <Keybuk> yeah, but how would GTK+ know?
[06:54] <kagou> for reporting bug may I use "reportbug" ?
[06:54] <Keybuk> is there a magic "this key is fake, ignore it" flag ?
[06:55] <Kamion> lamont__: I'm uploading debian-installer_20040801ubuntu5 now, which *should* build on amd64; let me know ...
[06:55] <fabbione> Keybuk: i dunno. as i already explain other times i do not know kxb at all.
[06:56] <fabbione> Keybuk: and we are just following upstream/ROCKS
[06:56] <Kamion> lamont__: I've basically just ripped out all the 2.6-as-alternate-kernel support, so this removes the 2.6/ directories on i386 as well
[06:56] <lamont__> Kamion: OK.  I'll have to force the d-w once its there, so let me know.
[06:57] <Kamion> it'll be there "tomorrow"
[06:57] <Keybuk> fabbione: at the moment it basically sounds like upstream are saying "it's the application maintainer's fault for not knowing about this silent, secret change we made and didn't tell anybody about, haven't documented and haven't done properly in the first place"
[06:57] <lamont__> Kamion: so upload done already, eh?
[06:57] <Kamion> lamont__: yep, just finished
[06:58] <lamont__> cool
[07:03] <fabbione> Keybuk: the problem is that upstream doesn't even say... and when he says only 2 persons can understand him.. and neither Branden and I are in that category
[07:03] <fabbione> it doesn't make things easy for anybody
[07:04] <Keybuk> basically xlibs dfsg4 has LWIN => Super_L, RWIN => Super_R and those two keys modifier_mapped onto Mod4
[07:05] <Keybuk> so Super_L and Super_R are modifier keys
[07:05] <Keybuk> xlibs trunk/ubuntu has a fake <SUPR> key mapped to take Super_L and then this fake key modifier_mapped to Mod4
[07:07] <Keybuk> so GTK+ just sees that fake <SUPR> key and never sees the modifier
[07:08] <Keybuk> fabbione: oh, and complete aside, GNOME's ignoring my cursor theme :'(
[07:10] <Keybuk> and for some reason a bunch of menu icons
[07:11] <Keybuk> this may be a seb128 issue <g>
[07:11] <fabbione> Keybuk: well yeah ..
[07:12] <fabbione> i understand that everything in a distro is X fault.. and that my skin is hard.. but hey ;)
[07:12] <fabbione> Keybuk: bitch the right person :P
[07:12] <fabbione> Keybuk: anyway if you have any patch idea or whatever.. better you add it to the debian bug asap
[07:12] <Keybuk> seb128: oi, bitch! :p
[07:12] <fabbione> Keybuk: because in not too long i will close the merge from debian
[07:13] <Keybuk> fabbione: well, I have an xkb patch which basically reverts the xlibs 4 behaviour
[07:13] <fabbione> Keybuk: that will introduce other bugs. but i would need to check the references
[07:13] <Keybuk> but if upstream are bitching, that may not be a good idea
[07:13] <fabbione> the change was done with the target of fixing these old bugs
[07:13] <Keybuk> so we actually know what "other bugs" this introduces, or is this a repeat of Mozilla/xprint/postscript again?
[07:14] <fabbione> Keybuk: they are somewhere.. i can ask Overfiend because i don't have references handy. but i am pretty sure you can find stuff in the changelog
[07:14] <fabbione> Keybuk: since -4 didn
[07:14] <fabbione> Keybuk: since -4 didn't have the changes it should be a limited research
[07:14] <fabbione> (sorry but i am folding underwear and other stuff while i am talking here)
[07:15] <Keybuk> that's ok, fold all the underwear you like :p
[07:18] <mdz> fabbione: while you are talking here?  either you use a speech-to-text device, or you fold the underwear with your mouth :-)
[07:19] <Mithrandir> TMI
[07:19] <lamont__> serial sync of the old palm is working...
[07:20] <Keybuk> hmm... even xev needs to be fixed according to this guy :o)
[07:22] <Keybuk> oh, wait, typo, maybe not <g>
[07:22] <fabbione> mdz: that's what i do.. dreaming about what could be inside... (NB: i am folding only my gf underwear ;))
[07:23] <Keybuk> "folding"
[07:23] <fabbione> Keybuk: isn't the correct term?
[07:23] <Keybuk> fabbione: I'm teasing, don't worry :p
[07:23] <fabbione> i am not :)
[07:27] <fabbione> mdz: can we consider updating pciutils from sid?
[07:28] <fabbione> mdz: there are 2 things that i really care about.
[07:28] <fabbione> the new pci.ids and the -X option
[07:28] <fabbione>   * Add -X option for output suitable for use in XFree86Config (closes:
[07:29] <fabbione> or atleast if i can backport the changes
[07:29] <fabbione> since others might be too intrusive
[07:33] <mdz> fabbione: it seems to conflict with our alsa-utils
[07:33] <mdz> ah, because of alsaconf
[07:34] <mdz> the alsa-utils patch for that would be easy to bring in
[07:35] <mdz> we could probably merge alsa-utils 1.0.5-3 though
[07:35] <mdz> it includes the patch from 1ubuntu1
[07:36] <mdz> changing the output format makes me nervous
[07:36] <mdz> hotplug uses that
[07:39] <kagou> how can i request for two packages missing for a user oriented distribution ?
[07:39] <mdz> kagou: send mail to the sounder mailing list
[07:40] <kagou> ok mdz 
[07:40] <fabbione> mdz: ok.. i will only sync the pci.ids
[07:40] <mdz> fabbione: hmm, actually hotplug doesn't parse the output
[07:40] <fabbione> -X would have been nice.. but it's not a problem since X supports all 3 formats from lspci
[07:41] <fabbione> as i said "It would be nice"
[07:41] <mdz> fabbione: well if nothing else parses the output, it is not very risky to change
[07:41] <mdz> but if it is a "would be nice" and not a "fixes bugs"...
[07:41] <fabbione> mdz: the output doesn't change.
[07:41] <mdz> the changelog says that it does
[07:41] <fabbione> it changes if you invoke it -X that has been done specifically for X
[07:41] <mdz> in -13
[07:42] <fabbione>   * Make machine-readable output better machine-readable (closes:
[07:42] <fabbione> you mean this one?
[07:42] <mdz>   * Fix problem with lspci displaying wrong bar size (closes: #256352)
[07:42] <mdz>   * Make machine-readable output better machine-readable (closes:
[07:42] <mdz> both of those change the output format
[07:43] <mdz> if it fixes bugs, and it is tested thoroughly, then I think we can sync it
[07:43] <mdz> if not, then I am inclined to wait
[07:45] <fabbione> the first one is a simple patch (it's in the bts too)
[07:45] <fabbione> i am checking the second one
[07:46] <fabbione> both of them have patches in the BTS
[07:46] <Keybuk> seb128: weird, needed to nuke ~/.gnome2/session to get my icons and cursor theme again
[07:46] <fabbione> the second one makes more sence to me than the first :)
[07:46] <Keybuk> still no icon for "Remote Desktop" though :-/
[07:46] <kagou> mdz, i see that you changed my bug report on smbfs. But gnome can't access my windows98SE share, and complain that smbfs is not installed.
[07:46] <seb128> back
[07:46] <mdz> kagou: ok, perhaps that is a different bug then
[07:46] <kagou> Gnome can see then but not enter in
[07:47] <seb128> Keybuk: have you kept the faulty one ?
[07:47] <Keybuk> no, heh
[07:47] <Keybuk> it's usually that the gconf id thingy goes a bit westward iirc
[07:48] <seb128> possible yes
[07:48] <mdz> kagou: it should work without smbfs
[07:49] <mdz> seb128: isn't that correct?
[07:49] <seb128> all is included in gnome-vfs2
[07:50] <Keybuk> seb128: /usr/share/control-center-2.0/capplets/vino-properties.desktop has Icon=gnome-remote-desktop.png
[07:50] <Keybuk> do we want to ship that icon, at all? :p
[07:52] <seb128> ls -l /usr/share/control-center-2.0/capplets/vino
[07:52] <seb128> ls: /usr/share/control-center-2.0/capplets/vino-properties.desktop: No such file or directory
[07:52] <Keybuk> uh, vino-preferences.desktop
[07:52] <Keybuk> sorry
[07:52] <mdz> /usr/share/control-center-2.0/capplets/vino-preferences.desktop
[07:53] <seb128> hum
[07:53] <Keybuk> we have a gnome-remote-desktop-server.png :p
[07:54] <seb128> I've fixed a bug with the icon name during the Oxford meeting
[07:55] <kagou> seb128, i will retry without smbfs tomorrow, cause i'v upgraded all the packages today.
[07:55] <seb128> damn, that's what happen when you make changes out of the debian dir
[07:55] <Keybuk> did you fumble that patch with the "New upstream release" ? :p
[07:55] <seb128> I've changed the desktop file directly because vino doesn't use cdbs and I was too lazy to add the dpatch stuff
[07:56] <seb128> usually I just take the debian/ dir for the updates, I've no changes out of it :)
[07:57] <Keybuk> another one for you
[07:57] <Keybuk> the "log out" dialog's reverted to one without shutdown etc. in it
[07:58] <seb128> hum
[07:58] <mdz> hmm
[07:58] <seb128> weird, I've not changed gnome-session or gdm
[07:58] <seb128> and it still works on my warty box here
[07:58] <mdz> I thought we were adding powernowd to desktop?
[07:58] <seb128> Keybuk: have you started the session with gdm ?
[07:59] <Keybuk> ah, no
[07:59] <seb128> ok, that's it so
[07:59] <Keybuk> that's kinda cute :p  I guess you can't have that if you've not got gdm to do it for you
[08:00] <seb128> gnome-session uses gdmflexiserver to do this
[08:00] <seb128> so without gdm ... :)
[08:00] <Keybuk> yeah, started with gdm and it's ok
[08:00] <Keybuk> (am fiddling with xkb, so had just done startx)
[08:02] <thom> mdz: it's in the desktop seed?
[08:03] <Keybuk> ok, well I understand why Super doesn't work right ... I don't understand why XFree86 think this is correct
[08:03] <mdz> hmmm
[08:03] <mdz> germinate disagrees
[08:03] <thom> mdz: under hardware/architecture support on the wiki
[08:03] <mdz> or maybe my germinate is busted
[08:03] <mdz> yeah, I can see
[08:03] <mdz> ? Unknown desktop package: powernowd
[08:04] <mdz> its Packages file is out of date
[08:04] <mdz> ok, it's there now
[08:05] <mdz> I thought it had been there for a while, though, but my laptop (which I installed last week) didn't get it
[08:05] <thom> i added it just after wartyconf
[08:07] <Keybuk>   Version Table:
[08:07] <Keybuk>  *** 0.90-1ubuntu3 0
[08:07] <Keybuk>         750 http://auckland.warthogs.hbd.com warty/main Packages
[08:07] <Keybuk>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[08:10] <mdz> thom: if I wanted to make some packages publicly available for download, where would I do that?  rookery?
[08:10] <thom> rookery for the moment, yeah
[08:21] <Mithrandir> lifeless: how hard would it be to get squid to receive a request, then send it to a bunch of other servers but ignore the answers from those servers?
[08:41] <Mithrandir> mdz: load-testing to see whether an a2 setup with php seems to be safe or not.
[08:42] <thom> Mithrandir: i hope your toungue is firmly in your cheek when you use php and safe in the same sentence
[08:43] <Mithrandir> thom: I'm innocent.  It's all sesse's fault.
[08:44] <thom> he seems to get blamed for an awful lot
[08:44] <thom> :-)
[08:45] <tvon|x31> Is anyone having issues with rounded metacity corners not really being rounded?
[08:49] <seb128> tvon|x31: which theme ?
[08:51] <tvon|x31> seb128: Industrial right now, but I believe its anyting with rounded corners
[08:51] <seb128> what's the problem ? do you have a screenshot ?
[08:51] <tvon|x31> yup, amaranth and Gorilla both have the same problem
[08:51] <tvon|x31> Sure, one minute 
[08:57] <tvon|x31> http://tvon.etria.com/weblog/stuff/2004-09-01-145346_1024x768_scrot.png/view
[08:57] <tvon|x31> er
[08:57] <tvon|x31> http://tvon.etria.com/weblog/stuff/2004-09-01-145346_1024x768_scrot.png
[08:57] <tvon|x31> 150k or so
[08:57] <tvon|x31> It seems to add a 1px black border to the window...roughly
[08:57] <tvon|x31> let me put up a shot of industrial
[08:58] <Keybuk> what does 'xdpyinfo | grep SHAPE' say ?
[08:58] <tvon|x31> http://tvon.etria.com/weblog/stuff/2004-09-01-145321_1024x768_scrot.png/image_view_fullscreen
[08:59] <tvon|x31> nothing
[08:59] <tvon|x31> hrm, missing x mod?
[08:59] <Keybuk> tvon|x31: that's your problem then, your X driver doesn't support the SHAPE extension
[08:59] <Keybuk> does xeyes produce the same effect?
[08:59] <tvon|x31> xeyes comes out managed
[08:59] <tvon|x31> as a managed window I mean
[09:00] <Keybuk> oh, it does here too -- someone must've changed it :-/
[09:00] <tvon|x31> heh
[09:00] <tvon|x31> hrm, I'm using the ati driver, is there something better for radeon?
[09:01] <Keybuk> the ati driver should be fine
[09:02] <tvon|x31> brb
[09:05] <tvon|x31> A switch to the radeon driver seems to have changed nothing
[09:05] <Keybuk> same driver
[09:05] <Keybuk> grep for SHAPE in /var/log/XFree86.0.log ?
[09:06] <tvon|x31> oh, heh
[09:06] <tvon|x31> Nope, no SHAPE there either
[09:06] <Keybuk> what card is it?  (lspci)
[09:07] <tvon|x31> ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY
[09:07] <Keybuk> do you have the kernel radeon module loaded ?
[09:08] <tvon|x31> yes
[09:09] <Keybuk> is there a 'Load "extmod"' in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4's Module section ?
[09:09] <tvon|x31> ah, crap
[09:09] <tvon|x31> Nope
[09:09] <Keybuk> add that :)
[09:09] <Keybuk> did you write the config, or was it automatically generated ?
[09:10] <tvon|x31> generated, barely
[09:10] <tvon|x31> I think I ran dpkg-reconfigure xsdrver-xfree86
[09:10] <tvon|x31> which runs the prompt-you-for-everything curses interface
[09:11] <tvon|x31> The base-config part of my install choked on a missing evolution dep, so I installed a lot of things manually afterwards
[09:16] <tvon|x31> ahh, much better
[09:17] <tvon|x31> Thanks for the help
[09:17] <Keybuk> :)
[09:19] <tvon|x31> So....now I think my only problem is the wifi applet that cant find the wifi
[09:20] <Keybuk> is the wifi proper wireless-ext, or wlan-ng ?
[09:21] <tvon|x31> not sure, its the orinoco_cs module
[09:22] <tvon|x31> er..wlan-ng uses wlan0 and such for the interface name, correct?
[09:22] <tvon|x31> its eth2 here
[09:23] <tvon|x31> ls
[09:24] <Keybuk> and in the wireless-app preferences, is there an eth2 in the drop-down?
[09:24] <Keybuk> . o O ( what's eth1 ? :p )
[09:24] <tvon|x31> yes
[09:24] <Keybuk> and if you select that, it doesn't work?
[09:24] <tvon|x31> eth1 is firewire
[09:24] <tvon|x31> its the only thing to select
[09:24] <tvon|x31> when I start the applet it gives an error...one sec
[09:24] <tvon|x31> okay, I lied ,no error
[09:25] <tvon|x31> I'm on wifi now, so it works
[09:35] <mdz> apt-get upgrade should take care of that firewire ethernet interface :-)
[09:36] <jdub> it's 0530hrs, what's the 0 stand for? oh my lord, it's early!
[09:36] <mdz> jdub: or quite late
[09:43] <tvon|x31> Is gnome-system-tools on the menu for Ubuntu?
[09:43] <Keybuk> tvon: Computer -> System Administration
[09:47] <mdz> fabbione: X ubuntu12 just asked me which driver, though I have discover1 installed
[10:05] <Kamion> lamont__: how did that amd64 build go?
[10:26] <jdub> linux-image...
[10:26] <lamont__> Kamion: sorry - was grabbing a bite
[10:26] <lamont__> Dependencies: iso-scan
[10:29] <mdz> jdub: *nods enthusiastically*
[10:29] <mdz> about time, if you ask me
[10:29] <jdub> i just upgraded my test box
[10:29] <Kamion> lamont__: thanks, fixed in 20040801ubuntu6, uploading now
[10:30] <lamont__> Kamion: iso-scan is in universe...
[10:30] <Kamion> lamont__: best place for it
[10:31] <jdub> reeeeeebooties!
[10:31] <Kamion> Uploading via ftp debian-installer_20040801ubuntu6_source.changes: done.
[10:31] <jdub> except this time without the installer cd in the drive...
[10:32] <Kamion> if I had a pound for every time I'd done that, I'd be very rich
[10:32] <jdub> do we still have funny usplash stuff int he initrd?
[10:32] <Kamion> what kind of funny usplash stuff?
[10:33] <jdub> i get totally wacky grub flashy bits before it prints the grub summary and 'starting ubuntu...'
[10:33] <[Clint] > Kamion: thanks on sed
[10:33] <daniels> jdub: that's probably fun with framebuffers
[10:33] <jdub> oh crap, and now x is not running
[10:34] <Kamion> [Clint] : no problem, looked like a good idea once enough people prodded me that I remembered to do something about it
[10:34] <Kamion> jdub: oh yes, I still get that grub stuff
[10:42] <seb128_> jdub: here ?
[10:42] <jdub> yes
[10:43] <seb128_> would be nice to know exactly what's needed for the Computer menu soon know
[10:43] <jdub> yeah
[10:43] <thom> mdz: do these new kernel's have the latest acpi goodness?
[10:44] <seb128_> we are really getting short in time if we want to make more changes
[10:44] <mdz> thom: it has a few acpi fixes, but I don't think it merges the latest post-2.6.8 acpi patch or anything like that
[10:45] <jdub> seb128_: and getting new requirements all the time!
[10:46] <lamont__> what did the computer icon turn into
[10:46] <lamont__> >
[10:46] <lamont__> ?
[10:47] <jdub> nothing
[10:49] <daniels> fabbione: PING
[10:56] <thom> mdz: ipw2100 works, i still have acpi suspend
[10:56] <mdz> thom: interesting; ipw2200 isn't working for me
[10:56] <thom> mdz: acpi_ibm might be nice to have
[10:56] <mdz> though I had it more or less working built against 2.6.7
[10:57] <thom> ibm_acpi. i mean
[10:57] <thom> mdz: strange. herbert used the latest ipw2200 drop?
[10:59] <mdz> thom: yeah, 0.4
[11:04] <doko> lamont__: could you make the build logs for gcc-3.4 i386 and amd64 available?
[11:05] <doko> elmo: where should issues for the override file be filed?
[11:06] <thom> mdz: http://bkernel.sf.net/tmp/ibm-acpi-0.3.tar.gz
[11:11] <Kamion> lamont__: did the amd64 build work this time?
[11:17] <jdub> yo Gman 
[11:17] <Gman> heyey
[11:18] <lamont__> uploaded
[11:18] <thom> hey dude
[11:18] <lamont__> Kamion: 
[11:18] <Kamion> Could not find kernel image: /install/vmlinuz
[11:18] <Kamion> oopsie
[11:19] <jdub> no beer for you!
[11:19] <Kamion> I'm tempted to bugger off anyway, it'll be horrible debian-cd internals
[11:19] <Kamion> $ ls /cdrom/install/
[11:19] <Kamion> README.sbm  netboot  sbm.bin
[11:19] <Kamion> double oopsie
[11:20] <Kamion> lamont__: was that meant to be an empty reply? :)
[11:20] <lamont__> Kamion: misordered was all... d-i is uploaded
[11:20] <Kamion> lamont__: hooray! thanks
[11:21] <lamont__> doko: I'll copy them over, but they come down to 'xargs: rm: terminated by signal 4'
[11:21] <lamont__> _why_ that is consistantly getting a SIGILL, I do not know.
[11:21] <Kamion> righto, think I've fixed it, really beer time now
[11:22] <doko> no, I mean the i386 build, just wanting to see the borked versioned dependency in lib64stdc++5 on lib64gcc1.
[11:23] <mdz> thom: what I see with ipw2200 is that it seems to associate for a split-second and then revert to 00:00:00:00:00:00
[11:23] <mdz> thom: I can see it switch to the correct channel and AP
[11:24] <mdz> if I repeatedly iwconfig it
[11:24] <mdz> ah, it finally locked
[11:25] <mdz> very weird
[11:33] <lamont__> anybody know gnome-pilot well at all?
[11:47] <thom> mdz: very strange. i just looked, briefly, and i can't see any reports of ipw2200 failures obviously caused by 2.6.8.1 
[11:48] <tvon|x31> Anyone running Mono?
[11:59] <lamont__> doko: chinstrap:~lamont/gcc-3.4_3.4.1ds1-7ubuntu4_20040901-1604