=== warthylog [~warthylog@port1845.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu === Topic for #ubuntu: SSDS | http://sounders:oink@wiki.no-name-yet.com/ | Bugs: https://bugzilla.no-name-yet.com/ === Topic (#ubuntu): set by Kamion at Tue Sep 7 21:03:40 2004 === lamont__ [~lamont@phantom.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu === fabbione [fabbione@just.fugedabout.it] has joined #ubuntu [12:06] i can't believe that in the last 3 weeks everything, and i mean everything, couldn't go worst [12:07] mdz: good, I've been working with thom on the initscript stuff today [12:07] mdz: I'll have another batch in tonight [12:07] mdz: with this batch it *should* be all of warty main === ggi [~ggi@ggi.base.supporter.pdpc] has left #ubuntu [] === mdz [~mdz@69-167-148-207.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu === cprov [~cprov@200.158.100.251] has joined #ubuntu === lamont__ [~lamont@phantom.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu [12:35] am I really here? [12:35] yup [12:35] 159kB/s. give or take [12:35] 20 minutes more of sitting in the street outside someone's house. [12:36] and I'm smarter now, in that I know the 70W inverter just doesn't cut it when the vaio is running flat out... [12:36] but then, 3*19 should be < 70 W... [12:36] well, 19.5 === Gman [~Glynn@amfea-proxy-2.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu [12:40] found a part of the CD that hadn't changed... [12:40] 2MB/s [12:44] ehhe [12:45] i have 2MB/s here anyway :-)) [12:46] fabbione: megabits, or bytes? [12:47] bits [12:47] the burst I got was bytes.. :-) [12:47] ok something here is seriously fucked [12:48] fabbione: you working on X again??? :-) [12:48] i have been building this package all the day and it was working [12:48] now it doesn't compile anymore [12:48] lamont__: hehehe no [12:48] no updated depends or anything? [12:48] i really don't understand wtf is wrong [12:48] lamont__ it's the damn nvidia driver [12:49] it was building fine until 1 hour ago === lamont__ expresses his simpathy [12:49] when the raid on my server died [12:49] Mithrandir: [12:49] 1) the server does not have the source [12:49] ops [12:49] s/Mithrandir/ The server/ [12:49] 2) it doesn't build === Mithrandir sniffs. [12:50] although when you're bored, anything you can tell me to make an ATI Radeon 7500 or ATI Rage Mobility P/M go faster than stock-warty would be cool. [12:50] fabbione replaced me with a server [12:50] 3) i only logged out and logged in on my workstation === fabbione goes and takes a smoke [12:50] AH [12:50] and i didn't even change the debian/rules or anything [12:50] that's the funny part [12:51] so it's the environment, then? [12:53] it didn't change... [12:53] Your kernel was configured to include rivafb support! [12:53] IT DOESN [12:53] IT DOESN'T! [12:53] grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr [12:54] before this check was passing [12:54] and it gets that info from -headers [12:57] AH AH [12:57] got it [12:58] fabbione: what was it? === npmccallum [~npmccallu@69-162-252-7.ironoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu [01:02] mdz: yet another initrd-tools uploaded [01:03] mdz: something that was not cleaned/reinstalled correctly [01:06] mdz: i also left something for you in the source package [01:06] fabbione: for me? you shouldn't have [01:06] mdz: README-for-security-teams_or_to-update-the-nvidia-driver [01:07] but it's not my birthday yet! [01:07] mdz: ehheheh [01:07] mdz: just a few notes of what to check for security updates or driver update [01:07] the nvidia stuff is NOT simple and linear [01:08] README.NMU seems to be an emerging standard for documentation like that [01:08] linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-2.6.8.1 -> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-2.6.8.1.0 [01:08] though that name is perhaps not applicable to ubuntu :-) [01:08] as source version [01:08] fine with me [01:08] is that ok for you? [01:08] or .1 [01:08] or +nvidiaX [01:08] or whatever [01:08] .0 [01:09] :-) [01:09] it probably shouldn't have 2.6.8.1 in it at all; it doesn't correspond to the kernel really [01:09] not in the source package [01:09] but 2.6.8.1.0 is more than OK with me === lucas_ [~lucas@cab-192023.calixo.net] has joined #ubuntu [01:11] hi === npmccallum [~npmccallu@69-162-252-7.ironoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu [01:14] hey lucas_ [01:22] Kamion: you awake still? [01:23] FUCKING DAN JACOBSON [01:24] dan... dan... [01:24] it's not a new name [01:24] jidanni [01:25] fabbione: see #1148-1150 [01:26] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?submitter=jidanni@jidanni.org [01:29] AHAHAHAHAHA [01:29] i want his crack! [01:29] i want his crack! [01:29] i want his crack! [01:29] too right [01:30] he just tried to bump this silly, ancient mirror bug up to severity: critical [01:30] this guy did not get enough attention as a child [01:30] at least he's not lazarus long [01:31] how do you know? [01:31] if he is, then I will be suitably impressed. [01:32] :-) [01:32] he is at least as bad [01:32] less hostile [01:32] I remember lazarus long filing pointless bugs, but not going around and screwing up bug severities [01:32] though I didn't really expect him to look like http://jidanni.org/me/images/20040321dan.jpg === mdz runs away [01:32] no, lazarus long would frequently file minor things as critical and be very adamant about the severity [01:33] Computer -> System configuration -> Login screen setup -> "Failed to run gdmsetup as user root: Child terminated with 1 status". Somebody can reproduce ? [01:33] Clint: dan jacobson repeatedly fucks with the severity after somebody fixes it, though [01:33] lucas_: works for me; did you enter the correct password? [01:33] well, he's not wrong 100% of the time [01:34] he's close enough [01:34] I am completely fed up with him filing bugs against apt [01:34] mdz, yes, I double checked [01:34] lucas_: your password, and not the root password? [01:34] mdz: you got an email :-) [01:34] and i am off to sleep [01:34] mdz, sorry for this =) [01:34] heh, I've gotten private warning mails about his bugs [01:35] bbiaf [01:36] lazarus is certainly more irritating [01:36] but he went away, didn't he? [01:36] or did I just killfile him? [01:37] I don't seem to have, so apparently he went away [01:37] yeah, he seems to come and go === lucas_ [~lucas@cab-192023.calixo.net] has joined #ubuntu [01:37] I don't think he ever filed the quantity of bugs that dan jacobson has, either [01:38] oh sure. but jacobson has never refused to help debug problems afaik [01:38] he's in the top 5 of all time [01:38] he certainly has [01:38] almost all of the bugs I have received from him are not even bugs, so he can't exactly help debug them [01:39] he will file a severity: grave bug against apt saying I THINK THIS COMMAND LINE OPTION SHOULD BE DIFFERENT [01:39] ahahha [01:39] either he went away or changed his name [01:40] he was also the one who went around filing bugs about whitespace [01:40] whitespace! [01:40] he said it slowed his computer down [01:40] or wasted space or something [01:40] hahah [01:40] I shit you not [01:40] that's awesome [01:40] that was not the word I used for it at the time [01:41] no, i imagine not [01:42] i think lazarus long's irssi "no, i won't tell you what additonal modules i have loaded to cause irssi to crash" was the all time winner [01:42] if you check my recent debian bugs or usenet postings, you'll see that [01:42] i have caught many 'whitespace slobs' e.g. fetchmail who adds up to [01:42] two for each line in syslog... also i suggested this as a lintian or [01:42] deb policy reminder item. anyways, i'm pointing it out now as who [01:42] knows, next month i might turn my (setq-default [01:42] show-trailing-whitespace t) emacs x-ray specs off and then be as blind [01:42] as everybody else to this minor, but still wasteful area in creating [01:42] the common goal of a sleek fine tuned debian. [01:43] http://jidanni.org/ Taiwan(04)25854780 [01:43] is that a telephone number? [01:43] some people have *far* too much time on their hands [01:43] yeah, looks like it should be [01:43] I didn't notice that at the time [01:44] or you would have called him? [01:44] mdz: probably a good thing [01:44] dan's never replied to any of my replies to his bugs [01:44] I don't know if I would have _called_ him, per se [01:45] he might have started to receive more phone calls than he might have otherwise [01:45] *g* [01:45] I actually haven't found him to be too annoying when I haven't ignored him. [01:46] or maybe I've blocked that out [01:46] maybe we should calling you Job rather than Clint [01:46] s/calling/start &/ [01:47] I certainly don't have a knee-jerk fuming anger reaction when I get a bug from him. [01:47] I really tried to help him at first, I did [01:47] which I can't say about everyone [01:47] I pointed him to all sorts of good documentation about how to write good bug reports [01:47] since he seemed to _want_ to help [01:47] but he ignored everything I told him [01:47] repeatedly === fabbione waves to everybody and heads to bed [01:48] it seems that when he gets bored, he sits down and writes a few hundred bug reports in batch mode, and then dials up his modem and uploads them [01:49] he never checks whether his bug has been filed, because he would need to dial up [01:49] doesn't he work for an ISP? [01:49] given that he complains about his internet access constantly, I didn't think so [01:49] he filed a bunch of bugs about packages being too big for his modem [01:50] I must be thinking of some other twit in .tw [01:50] asking that things be split up in the most useless ways so that he could avoid downloading another 10k [01:51] hmm, I should do something about #213700 [01:53] nah, Dan's on a modem, there's no way he works for an ISP [01:54] elmo: yeah, somehow I merged him with Jason Lim in my head [01:54] he does occasionally stumble on a real bug from time to time, apparently through sheer luck [01:54] but chances are it's already been reported anyway [01:55] mdz: I think he once admitted to not checking the BTS before filing because it took up too much BW [01:55] elmo: yes, he has admitted that he never does [01:55] that's also his excuse for not reading about how to use the BTS [01:55] what the hell speed modem is he on? [01:57] something slow enough that each pixel of whitespace that's rendered causes him offence [02:04] i'm surprised he's not filed a bug about bugs.d.o not doing gzip Content-Encoding [02:06] thom: email him immediately to suggest it [02:07] oh, i finally just read d-d to see what you mean.. yeesh [02:09] Clint: tempting, but Colin knows where I live [02:09] he'll come and kill me [02:10] tricky [02:16] elmo: seeds fixed [02:16] (mea culpa, etc.) [02:16] lamont__: ? === Kamion puts on the RM hat and downgrades those grep bugs in Debian [02:17] if Dan argues, he goes in the control@bugs sin-bin === Kamion channels aj [02:18] dude, aj would never euphemize @gFuckHeads as 'control@bugs sin-bin' :) [02:20] heh [02:21] I wish he had, then people wouldn't believe it did other things ... [02:21] I did make a start on general debbugs access control recently, to stop people abusing sarge-ignore I think [02:22] cool [02:23] night folk [02:23] Kamion: question answered [02:23] night thom === jblack [~jblack@mercury.merconline.com] has joined #ubuntu [02:47] what's the python idiom for "make a shallow copy of this sequence"? [02:48] list(seq) [02:49] ah yes, I knew I'd seen it before, thanks [02:50] the documentation mentions seq[:] (the sequence in this case happens to be a list); is that considered obscure? [02:51] Well, it's a known idiom, but I don't find it as readable. [02:53] I mean, if you understand slicing syntax it's clear what it does (and has the potential advatage that it'll return the same type of sequence, rather than casting to a list)... but it's just looks odd to my eye. [02:53] s/casting/converting/ === lamont__ is informed that he's going to the movies with his wife tonight. [02:54] spiv: right, thought so [03:05] elmo: is the lvmcfg sync request still in your queue? sorry, I sent the request while the package was still in Debian incoming [03:08] kamion: gar, sorry, no, it's just I've been redoing my mail filtering based on canonical.com stuff and it went to a folder I don't usually check for syncs ... done now [03:10] ta [03:20] lamont__: you just need to get an ubertv and then you can avoid that [03:20] :) [03:20] dieman: Bourne Supremacy is not on TV yet... [03:21] ahh [03:21] yeah [03:21] there is that [03:21] we just do netflix [03:21] ive got the same tv bdale has [03:21] found his glowing comments on it from his website and was sold [03:21] we were trying to figure out wich one to get, but when the first link back for the tv is a DD, how can you argue? [03:22] (or one of the first) === haggai [~halls@pD9EA6856.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu === lamont__ heads for home. back on shortly [03:38] Whee... I'm seeing "Error activating XKB configuration" even with the version that bug 1089 claims fixes it. [03:47] lamont: gone yet? [03:53] mdz: just got home, will be leaving in about 20-30 === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> leguin.freenode.net === tvon [tvon@dsl093-119-225.blt1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu === ctd [~ctd@ctd.user] has joined #ubuntu [04:00] who claims linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1_2.6.8.1.0-1 === lamont considers "just fixing it" [04:01] dude, it's already been fixed [04:01] even better [04:01] linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1 | 2.6.8.1.0-2 | warty/restricted | source [04:02] nvidia-settings is ftbfs on ppc... [04:02] or rather, 1.0-3 was. [04:03] night all [04:04] g'night elmo [04:13] lifeless: around? [04:14] mdz: why were you looking for me, I wonder??? [04:14] lamont: linux-restricted-modules and friends [04:16] mdz: ah, ok. [04:17] mdz: could it be that growisofs is broken differently? [04:18] growisofs -Z /dev/hdc foo [04:18] :-( unable to INQUIRY: Bad file descriptor [04:19] lamont: it's been working perfectly for me today [04:19] shouldn't that be growisofs -Z /dev/hdc=foo? [04:19] if foo was an ISO.. [04:20] oh, it's a directory? [04:20] dunno [04:20] but I've burned 4 or 5 things today with growisofs under warty and haven't encountered that problem [04:20] but all ISOs [04:20] 5.19.4.9.7-2ubuntu2 [04:20] ?? [04:20] lifeless: ipw2200 0.7 isn't working for me, while 0.4 did [04:21] lamont: the one where I fixed the open mode [04:21] rebooting that box right now [04:22] Version: 5.19.4.9.7-2ubuntu2 === lamont grumbles, runs strace [04:23] mdz: My gf has had lots of trouble with her ipw2200 on her new laptop. She needs to reboot on average once an hour to get it to work. Seems like the ipw2200 driver is still rather rough :( [04:24] open("/dev/hdc", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 4 [04:24] fstat64(4, {st_mode=S_IFBLK|0660, st_rdev=makedev(22, 0), ...}) = 0 [04:24] open("/dev/hdc", O_RDWR|O_LARGEFILE) = -1 EROFS (Read-only file system) [04:24] ioctl(-1, 0x2285, 0xbffff768) = -1 EBADF (Bad file descriptor) [04:24] write(2, ":-( unable to INQUIRY: ", 23:-( unable to INQUIRY: ) = 23 [04:24] write(2, "Bad file descriptor\n", 20Bad file descriptor [04:24] looks like you missed one... [04:24] that one's all yours [04:24] yeah - I'm working on it. [04:24] I've had enough GOTO for the week [04:25] there are two definitions of that function, but the other one seems to be #ifdef'd for BSD [04:26] oh, gag. [04:26] what if I just make all of the opens RDWR? [04:26] 1/4 :-) [04:27] off to the movies - will deal with it when I get back. === StoneTable [~stone@c-67-167-111-186.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu === Clint contemplates detaching from #1089. [05:27] #(*@$IOJDF HEISENBUG [05:28] lol [05:31] daniels: have you done a fresh Warty install recently? === Riff [~davyd@cook.theducks.org] has joined #ubuntu [05:39] mdz: yes, when i got home [05:40] roughly a fortnight ago [05:40] daniels: that's not recently :-) [05:40] daniels: I think doing a fresh install would be a good step in debugging this [05:40] maybe you'll run into the problem too [05:40] um [05:40] a) unless we get jigdo working for my local mirror, downloading the iso is non-trivial for me (involves being somewhere else, really) [05:41] b) would you like me to reinstall my development machine? [05:41] i've added debugging to xresprobe, and the version of X i hope to upload today will have debugging also [05:41] a) you were supposed to have your bandwidth situation sorted out a long time ago, and yet you were still spending time on it yesterday [05:41] b) everyone needs to be doing installation testing [05:41] i can rsync and upload, that's fine [05:41] i have that aspect sorted out [05:42] but if i suddenly need to be pulling 600MB and have it done quickly, I need to find someone who's at home and bum off their DSL [05:42] given both of my housemates are out today and I thus have no car [05:42] in general, it's fine, but I can't cop 650MB spikes on no notice [05:42] and I plan to gain another machine with my next paypacket -> installer testing [05:43] look, we have a public release in 5 days === stub [~zen@dialup-122.28.221.203.acc11-dryb-mel.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu [06:35] daniels: I should be able to download you a copy of the iso and drop it around [06:36] daniels: and I can give short term a celeron on an i815 m/board with a 6 gig drive [06:36] cef: dude, that would be absolutely sensational, thanks [06:36] mdz: which image does he need? [06:36] cef: sounder 8 [06:37] I've got sounder8 burnt, but if you need a daily, can be done [06:37] nah, sounder 8 is fine [06:37] cool.. already downloaded then [06:37] rad [06:38] i should be home all day, so whenever's fine for you [06:38] cool. I've got to do some washing shortly, so I can drop past then. [06:39] sure, that'd be great, thanks :) [06:39] do you need the celeron too? it's not assembled at the mo, but that's no biggie [06:39] that would really help, yeah [06:40] ok.. only got 128 meg of ram in it tho.. but should be enuff for a test methinks... soon to be my router *grin* [06:40] bbk [06:41] heh :) [06:41] fo'sho [06:41] tis 1/2 height pci [06:41] so nice and small.. always good for a router [06:42] heh, nice [06:42] yeah [06:42] i've never really had small pcs [06:42] btw: if you need not-so-hot AGP video cards of weird descriptions (eg: voodoo3's and the like).. ask [06:42] cos we have a whole heap of shit at work we're throwing shortly.. and the cards are fine, just not really used anymore [06:44] thinking they might be useful for someone working with X.. *grin* [06:44] cool, thanks, yeah ... if you're chucking any ont, more cards is always a good thing [06:44] especially, nvidia, much as I dislike them; all I have right now is my radeon 8500, and a 9000 at home [06:45] both r200 [06:45] no probs.. they're all at work, so I'll bring em home monday [06:46] awesome, cheers [06:46] cool.. got a few tnt's, tnt2's, possibly a 440mx, an old pci matrox millenium, a few voodoo 3's, possibly a voodoo4, lots of S3 Trio64's, and some ATI mach64 chipset cards. and that's just off the top of my head [06:47] wow [06:47] could i please grab a tnt2, a 440mx if you have it, the milennium, a voodoo3, a trio64, and a mach64? [06:47] :) [06:47] and of course, as we're moving, we've gotta throw all this shit out, so... *grin* [06:47] I'll justy grab all the video cards and you can have the lot. *grin* [06:49] heh! awesome, cheers :) [06:49] lemme know if there's anything you need [06:49] no probs [06:49] although i've mostly been cleaned out ... pretty much all i have left is a usb nic, a volcano 9 ... [06:50] heh [06:58] couldn't find the 6gig drive.. so you'll have to live with 10 [06:58] *grin* [07:05] heh :) wot pain! [07:06] just make sure the cdrom will read the bootdisk [07:08] ouch just hit a possible bug [07:09] twas using the ubuntu installer just going to departition the disk.. it hanging during detecting hardware.. hrm.. could be an ide cable problem.. bbk [07:09] 5hm [07:09] anything from dmes,g or was it a solid lock? [07:10] solid lock.. I've had this beforfe with ide cables, and this one isn't in the best of condition [07:10] and I've got like 4 spare *grin* [07:10] heh :) [07:11] you should put it in bz - computers suck [07:11] moved my desktop to round ide cables, so all these spare flat ones are hanging about [07:13] ah, heh [07:13] i got some rounded ones - rally did cut down on the clutter [07:14] same [07:14] ahh looks much better now [07:15] and yeah, broken/damaged wires in the ide cable [07:15] heh, in the rounded cable? [07:16] nah, a flat one that was in this machine I'm loaning you [07:17] ah, rad [07:17] broken rounded cables wouldn't be so cool -- when i got mine, they were like 15 or 20 bucks a pop for halfway decent ones [07:18] yeah.. [07:41] just having something to eat, then I'll head over [07:45] mdz: yo [07:45] still here? === Keybuk [scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu [07:46] cef: cool, ta [07:46] lifeless: it's 0200 [07:47] I don't know these things :} [07:47] besides hes cto of the distro: how can he have time to sleep just now [07:47] yeah, but given the type of people we have here, you have to always check *grin* [07:52] hrm, do we have any ppl from alsa-devel in the ubuntu team, pref within australia? === kagou [~kagou@AMontpellier-251-1-28-247.w83-113.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu [07:53] hi [07:53] cef: nope [07:53] just realised I've got a few spare sound cards as well that are looking for a good home.. *grin* [07:53] cef: heh, yeah. given our team meeting the other day started at 0200, my bedtimes have been 0340, 0220, 0200 and 0557 the past couple of days [07:53] cef: heh :) [07:57] btw: once I get this machine in place as a router, I'll have the current machine free.. Athlon 500 on an amd/via combo chipset board. if you're interested, you're welcome to it once it's decommisisoned [07:57] got too much hardware here.. need to get rid of some [07:58] got 2 machines sitting here for colin charles actually.. he needs to get off his read and come pick em up [07:59] and we'l be chucking out some more machines at work soon [08:00] mdz still around? [08:03] oooer [08:04] does the via board have a via video chipset? === lamont bangs growisofs on the wall. [08:09] nah.. currently got a nvidia tnt in it.. no on board.. if I see anything obscure like that, I'll pass it your way [08:10] if (fp->f_mode & FMODE_WRITE) { [08:10] ret = -EROFS; [08:10] sigh. [08:13] daniels: ok, cya in 10 [08:18] cef: rad, thanks :) === AndyFitz [~Andy@c210-49-88-50.rochd3.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu [09:05] morning guys [09:07] night fabbione === lamont sleeps [09:07] night lamont [09:09] http://216.239.39.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://perso.wanadoo.fr/kitone/sabrina/site/features.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dlinuxgraphic.org%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8 [09:09] /me drools [09:09] night lamont [09:28] lamont: here now [09:58] daniels: how'd it go? === alextreme [~alex@am.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu [10:03] yo alextreme === jdub is going to download the livecd in off-peak hours tonight - very exciting :-) [10:03] gmorning :) [10:03] cool, hope it works for you :) === AndyFitz [~Andy@c210-49-88-50.rochd3.qld.optusnet.com.au] has left #ubuntu [] [10:26] cef: yeah, worked well, thanks :) [10:27] couldn't find any of these bugs === kagou [~kagou@AMontpellier-251-1-25-162.w81-251.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu [11:04] hi [11:04] mdz, is that you managing pppoeconf ? === debianist [~pooh@80.179.93.85.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu [11:21] morning folks [11:35] hello debianist [11:36] hi kagou [11:37] i'v problem with pppoeconf... do i post a bug report on "ppp" ? 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