[12:02] <jdub> seb128: hrrrr, i thought that was fixed.
[12:02] <jdub> seb128: confer with mdz. seems an /etc/skel fix would be safer.
[12:02] <seb128> ok, just wanted to know if it was one more point on my todo list
[12:04] <Kamion> mdz: another build kicked off
[12:04] <doko> jdub: should have included you to the question about the localization of the installer
[12:05] <jdub> s/why/where/
[12:05] <doko> ?
[12:05] <jdub> doko: i don't think we have time for a general translations request proces
[12:06] <jdub> doko: but if you can provide translations to kamion, and he is not too busy to integrate them, mdz or i will most likely approve an upload
[12:06] <jdub> doko: up until the 'point of no return' on the dayzero schedule
[12:06] <doko> jdub: there are usually 10-30 translations to be updated, that should not be that much work.
[12:07] <doko> jdub: what is the last day for such uploads?
[12:07] <jdub> doko: TODAY
[12:07] <Kamion> (for preview)
[12:07] <jdub> doko: we are talking hours now, not days :-)
[12:07] <jdub> yes, lots of room between preview and release for translations
[12:08] <mdz> jdub, seb128: /etc/skel works for me
[12:08] <seb128> for me too :)
[12:08] <doko> jdub: yes, that's what I meant. it doesn't make sense to upload these changes now for one or two languages.
[12:09] <jdub> doko: ok, see the release schedule -> final release is on october 1th
[12:09] <jdub> october 13th
[12:09] <mdz> jdub: :-)
[12:09] <mdz> Warty and I will share a birthdate
[12:09] <Kamion> moved forward two days?
[12:09] <jdub> cool :)
[12:09] <jdub> and one week before pipka's :)
[12:10] <jdub> Kamion: always meant to be the wednesday
[12:10] <mdz> I didn't know that, I thought it was to be the 15th
[12:10] <mdz> doesn't make much difference, though
[12:10] <mdz> and the synchronicity is amusing
[12:11] <jdub> our months are measured in weeks, none of this shabby moon business ;-)
[12:12] <Kamion> uh, or not
[12:12] <sivang> yey, new images
[12:12] <sivang> :)
[12:12] <Kamion> one sec, something broke
[12:13] <doko> do we have a public place where to put files which should be reachable for sounders (chinstrap is not)?
[12:13] <Kamion> ok, up now
[12:14] <sivang> yeah, saw the dir missing
[12:14] <sivang> there it is :)
[12:15] <elmo_dc> kay, installs suck when they're competing with a RAID re-sync for IO bw
[12:19] <pitti> Kamion: thanks for the new CD image
[12:31] <lamont__> erm, what
[12:32] <lamont__> s the root password on the livecd?
[12:32] <mdz> dunno, is there one?
[12:32] <mdz> there's a root shell on one of the VCs
[12:33] <lamont__> sudo didn't like us, but ctl-alt-f2 was very happy. tnnx
[12:38] <lamont37> woot
[12:38] <lamont37> any clues why the livecd decided to not bother upping eth0>?>
[12:39] <lamont37> RealTek RTL8139 found, but we didn't bother to up it apparently
[12:44] <mdz> Kamion: testing .2/amd64 now
[12:44] <mdz> lamont37: a bug, already reported to alex
[12:52] <mdz> gah, still 12M download on top of the current daily
[12:54] <amroc> w00t LaMont fix the net!
[12:55] <thom> heh :-)
[12:55] <jdub> amroc: :)
[12:55] <amroc> house calls are good
[01:03] <lamont2> anything else before I head home??/
[01:05] <thom> right, .torrent files are being created
[01:08] <npmccallum> mdz: There are a couple of approaches to take with openoffice splash screen: 1. change the image (remove debian logo and possibly add ubuntu logo) and keep the file names (openintro_debian.bmp) 2. do number 1 and change the file names (involves changing code), are you ok with #1 only?
[01:09] <jdub> thom: woo!
[01:12] <thom> still a butt load of config to do for it :/
[01:13] <npmccallum> jdub: did you say that there were some restrictions on what you can modify in the openoffice splash screen?  if so, do you know where I can find that info?
[01:13] <mako> tommorrow, will the sounder list just become ubuntu-devel?
[01:14] <whiprush_> StoneTable: yo
[01:14] <jdub> mako: we'll resub sounder to ubuntu, but not split into user and devel yet
[01:17] <mako> jdub: ok, just two lists then, ubuntu and ubuntu-announce?
[01:18] <jdub> arg, ok, no
[01:19] <jdub> the assumption has been ubuntu-user and ubuntu-devel
[01:19] <jdub> let's stick with that
[01:20] <mako> ok, so what happens to the sounder list
[01:20] <jdub> it becomes ubuntu-devel
[01:20] <mako> perfect
[01:20] <mako> are those lists created yet?
[01:20] <jdub> nup
[01:20] <mako> ubuntu-announce, ubuntu-devel, and ubuntu-user
[01:20] <mako> so it appears they are going on rince, yeah?
[01:20] <jdub> will do all those at once when i know for sure that we have to use rince
[01:22] <mako> ok, well i'm going to write the announce message putting the list info at http://lists.ubuntulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-foo
[01:22] <mako> it doesn't matter to me which system they're being pointed from, as long as they're there
[01:22] <jdub> ok
[01:22] <jdub> yeah
[01:22] <jdub> elmo: status of dns pointing to rince vs. mailing list machines at the dc?
[01:23] <jdub> lamont: so, does uploading without orig files make life difficult?
[01:23] <mako> in a similar vein, where is the "canonical" location of either the CD image or information about getting the CD image going to be?
[01:23] <mako> it will be on the website right?
[01:23] <jdub> yes, lulu is doing a wizard to get you to the right location
[01:24] <mako> perfect.. then i'll leave a hole for that page
[01:27] <mdz> npmccallum: #1 is fine with me
[01:27] <mdz> npmccallum: seems like the least intrusive, given how little time we have
[01:28] <jdub> mdz: do we have anyone doing a firefox PR package update?
[01:28] <seb128> jdub: grrrr, they have not included evolution-2.0 in the default-application capplets for cc 2.8
[01:28] <mdz> jdub: a who-what now?
[01:28] <jdub> seb128: gar
[01:28] <seb128> just 1.5 and 1.6 which doesn't even exist
[01:28] <npmccallum> mdz: ok, I'll have something later this evening.  Do you want an ubuntu branding? or just standard ooo branding?
[01:29] <jdub> mdz: we need a firefox package update, and someone with the time to do it :-)
[01:29] <seb128> don't look at me dude :p
[01:29] <mdz> hmm
[01:29] <mdz> it would seem in poor taste to just rip out the debian bits
[01:29] <mdz> jdub: what sort of update?
[01:29] <pitti> doko: still awake?
[01:29] <jdub> mdz: 0.9 -> PR1
[01:29] <pitti> doko: shall I do the German installer translations?
[01:30] <mdz> jdub: right, after preview
[01:30] <mdz> npmccallum: what about having both ubuntu and debian logos there?
[01:30] <Kamion> pitti: if you have other things to do before preview then please don't regard this as a priority for preview
[01:30] <jdub> mdz: mark has asked for it before the preview
[01:30] <mdz> Kamion: amd64 install was flawless
[01:31] <npmccallum> mdz: it may be a little tight
[01:31] <mdz> jdub: I just talked to him and he didn't mention it
[01:31] <mdz> jdub: that's insane
[01:31] <pitti> Kamion: Currently I don't. Everybody that I asked said they were fine :-)
[01:31] <Kamion> mdz: woohoo
[01:31] <pitti> Kamion: besides, it's 01:30 here, I will probably mess up delicate coding work
[01:31] <mdz> oo.o and everything, very nice\
[01:31] <npmccallum> mdz: also, what about the "this ooo developed in cooperation with debian" disclaimer?
[01:32] <mdz> npmccallum: I think that language might be required by the ooo guys or something
[01:32] <Kamion> yes
[01:32] <Kamion> their trademark language is "interesting"
[01:32] <npmccallum> Kamion: any idea where I can read the requirements myself?
[01:33] <Kamion> if we name ourselves then we have to be subscribed to their mailing lists and stuff
[01:33] <Kamion> npmccallum: sec
[01:35] <Kamion> http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/distributors.html has some of it but I'm sure I remember reading stronger language somewhere
[01:35] <jdub> seb128: we have random crackass icons appearing in the applications menu on update again :|
[01:36] <seb128> ?
[01:36] <seb128> I don't remember getting such bug
[01:36] <seb128> any screenshot of the problem ?
[01:37] <jdub> seb128: you know that old bug when file browser and netwrk would appear in the applications menu after new desktop files had been installed?
[01:37] <jdub> seb128: btw, nautilus and libgnome uploads happening in a minute
[01:38] <jdub> lamont: ping
[01:38] <seb128> jdub: hum yes, already got that ... but not for some times
[01:38] <seb128> jdub: is that on a fresh install ?
[01:38] <jdub> no
[01:38] <jdub> i just got it agin for the first time in ages
[01:38] <seb128> the applications menu use the vfolders
[01:39] <seb128> perhaps you have some old config in your home ?
[01:39] <jdub> it's happened for a new user too
[01:40] <seb128> ok, I'll try to have a look but I've no real idea of the problem right now
[01:40] <jdub> ok
[01:43] <jdub> so seb128 
[01:44] <jdub> i'
[01:44] <jdub> i'm going to do some uploads now
[01:44] <seb128> ok
[01:44] <jdub> and i'd like you to promise not to kill me
[01:44] <jdub> because i am too young and handsome to die
[01:44] <seb128> ah ah
[01:44] <seb128> what are you going to break ? :)
[01:44] <jdub> well
[01:45] <jdub> it's not so much *breaking*
[01:45] <jdub> you'll see ;)
[01:45] <jdub> lamont: ping?
[01:45] <Kamion> "rearranging"?
[01:45] <jdub> Kamion: that would be a very good word for it.
[01:45] <seb128> jdub: don't say you have written bad changelog again with changes of the debian dir ? :p
[01:45] <seb128> +out
[01:45] <jdub> seb128: haha, no :)
[01:45] <seb128> pfiou
[01:46] <jdub> grr
[01:46] <Kamion> what's this .orig problem?
[01:49] <elmo_mf> mm jelly bean dinner.. how health and nutritious
[01:49] <Kamion> "so nutritious and delicious, jelly beans, so good to eat"
[01:50] <Kamion> can't even remember what the original jingle was about
[01:50] <elmo_mf> and only sugar-maxed coke too, my teeth must love me right now
[01:52] <mdz> jdub: what's your take on the ooo splash question?-
[01:52] <mdz> what we should do, not what we are allowed to do
[01:54] <jdub> mdz: perhaps pop our logo in as well as debian's?
[01:55] <mdz> jdub: that's what I was thinking, npmccallum says it might be a tight fit
[01:55] <mdz> jdub: what's this mysterious #1226 stuff?
[01:55] <jdub> npmccallum: make the ubuntu logo look like it's coming out of the OOo birdies butts!
[01:55] <mdz> justdave: how is the component stuff going?
[01:56] <jdub> mdz: uploading now
[01:56] <jdub> mdz: nothing major
[01:56] <jdub> mdz: tiny bit controversial
[01:56] <mdz> jdub: oh, I know what it is :-)
[01:56] <jdub> man
[01:56] <seb128> hum
[01:56] <jdub> can't keep a secret
[01:56] <jdub> (not a secret, btw)
[01:56] <jdub> (i'm just being precocious)
[01:57] <seb128> (are you starting to run ? :p)
[01:57] <npmccallum> mdz, jdub: I'll see if I can get both logos on there
[01:57] <mdz> Kamion: any value in my testing 0914.2 on powerpc, or do you have it covered?
[01:57] <seb128> jdub: dude, are you removing desktop icons ?
[01:57] <jdub> seb128: um.
[01:58] <elmo_mf> mdz: it's what he talked about on thephone
[01:58] <jdub> seb128: maaaaaybe.
[01:58] <seb128> rooooh
[01:58] <seb128> why not :p
[01:58] <mdz> elmo_mf: yes
[01:59] <mdz> I didn't make the connection until he was dodgy about it :-)
[01:59] <mdz> thom: ping?
[01:59] <Kamion> mdz: I'll be testing it soon, but the more the better
[02:00] <jdub> seb128: 8)
[02:03] <thom> mdz: yo
[02:06] <mdz> didn't we discuss having a stable -> warty symlink or similar?
[02:06] <mdz> I don't remember the outcome
[02:07] <Kamion> not that I can understand any of it
[02:08] <jdub> rsync://ftp.no-name-yet.com/cdimage/daily/current/warty-i386-1.iso
[02:08] <jdub> ^ doesn't work anymore?
[02:08] <mdz> jdub: warty-i386.iso
[02:08] <Kamion> doing manual partitioning in a language where you can't even recognize the words is entertaining
[02:08] <mdz> There Can Be Only One
[02:08] <jdub> oh yeah
[02:09] <Kamion> and anyway archive.ubuntu.com, You Know You Want To
[02:09] <jdub> heh
[02:09] <Kamion> Tooooo-booon-tooo
[02:09] <Kamion> in fact
[02:09] <jdub> man
[02:09] <jdub> i'm totally goign to repopulate #weirdos with a superior race
[02:09] <Kamion> damn, this "upgrade from archive.ubuntu.com on first install" thing does suck, doesn't it
[02:09] <sivang> Kamion : i don't mind it not being supported, I'm pretty english lover but for sake of correctness :)
[02:10] <Kamion> sivang: haven't reproduced your error though
[02:10] <Kamion> I wonder if I want to bother with sleep tonight; I could add that question to base-config
[02:10] <sivang> Kamion : strange, i did it with 2 consecutive buidls. maybe it's fixed by some other part of d-i that got fixed?
[02:10] <sivang> Kamion : haha
[02:11] <sivang> Kamion : (for your last line)
[02:11] <Kamion> sivang: at what point in the install?
[02:11] <mdz> Kamion: would you notice if it were broken?
[02:11] <Kamion> mdz: apparently it's a hard failure, so should do
[02:11] <sivang> Kamion : at the very "CHoose a lanugage" point
[02:11] <Kamion> sivang: huh, that's odd, I haven't really changed much around there, and nobody else would have been changing that
[02:11] <sivang> I am currently buring my daily, will check again
[02:12] <sivang> the strangest thing,
[02:12] <sivang> under QEMU it worked (why didn't i add this to the bug?)
[02:13] <Kamion> only thing I tweaked was a syntax error fix in countrychooser, but that was purely cosmetic since it isn't set -e (grrr)
[02:13] <sivang> if only I had a newer CDRW media
[02:13] <sivang> it's 12x
[02:13] <sivang> :)
[02:13] <sivang> :(
[02:14] <Kamion> sivang: if you can still reproduce it, you might want to look for errors on the fourth virtual console
[02:14] <Kamion> or /var/log/syslog
[02:14] <sivang> Kamion : i will
[02:14] <npmccallum> jdub, mdz: its going to be too tight to put both logos on.  I can shrink them, but they just get too small
[02:14] <Kamion> ok, off to test powerpc
[02:14] <mdz> Kamion: me too
[02:16] <jdub> npmccallum: seriously man, the ubuntu logo coming out of the birds butt
[02:16] <sivang> mdz : you were right about the menu.lst sorry for that, however what about device mapper errors "dm-linear" device not found (about a dozen of them) and Buffer IO read error on hdX (also a dozen)
[02:16] <jdub> npmccallum: not so tight a squeeze!
[02:17] <npmccallum> jdub: out of the birds butt is an even tighter squeeze
[02:18] <mako> http://wiki.no-name-yet.com/WartyWarthog_2fAnnouncementEmail
[02:18] <mako> jdub: my gift to you
[02:19] <jdub> mako: rawk
[02:19] <jdub> mako: very noice
[02:19] <jdub> direct and to the point
[02:19] <jdub> ZERO DAY DEBIAN WAREZ HERE <---
[02:19] <thaytan> and doesn't use the word 'rockful' once
[02:19] <sivang> ha ha
[02:20] <thaytan> in my playing with the installer last night, I noticed a bug
[02:20] <jdub> thaytan: strangely, i managed to infect the ubuntu gang with the work 'rock' in a totallydifferent context
[02:20] <thaytan> but I'm at work now, so I can't boot to reproduce it
[02:20] <mako> rockful is exactly what ubuntu is
[02:20] <mako> thaytan: but not in the way you're probably thinking
[02:21] <thaytan> anyone got one handy, or shall I leave it?
[02:21] <mako> well, ALSO in the way you're probably thinking
[02:21] <thaytan> :)
[02:21] <mdz> mako: maybe explain the version number?
[02:21] <jdub> ubuntu is also mad phat
[02:21] <mako> mdz: yeah, i'd thought of that
[02:21] <mdz> mako: or link to the FAQ
[02:21] <mdz> which explains that
[02:21] <mako> in a footnote maybe
[02:21] <mdz> or if it doesn't, it should
[02:21] <mako> mdz: good point
[02:22] <elmo_mf> mako: shipit aliases are in place and should work
[02:27] <daniels> jordi: sup?
[02:28] <Kamion> mako: several typos in that announcement; shall I fix?
[02:29] <Kamion> thaytan: what installer bug?
[02:29] <Kamion> damnit, I know what fix I forgot to upload
[02:29] <Kamion> the disk space estimates in the boot screens
[02:29] <Kamion> NO SLEEP FOR ME
[02:30] <thaytan> Kamion: when manually editing a partition
[02:30] <thaytan> I edit the size the autopartitioning chose
[02:30] <thaytan> but it ignores the change if I leave the cursor halfway through the text
[02:30] <Kamion> not sure I understand the bit about the cursor
[02:30] <mako> Kamion: yes
[02:30] <thom> Kamion: glad to hear it, since i'm suffering too :-)
[02:31] <thaytan> for example, changing 70.0 GB I go "left*3,bkspace*4" and type 36 
[02:31] <Kamion> thom: thanks mate ;)
[02:31] <thaytan> and now the cursor is left between the number and the GB
[02:31] <Kamion> thaytan: I think that's probably a red herring
[02:31] <Kamion> thaytan: I can believe that it ignores the size regardless ...
[02:31] <thaytan> possibly, it seemed consistent though
[02:31] <thaytan> it accepted it if I went back in and typed again, but moved the cursor back to the end of the string
[02:32] <Kamion> there are some very well-separated layers there ...
[02:32] <Kamion> how strange
[02:32] <thom> Kamion: any time
[02:32] <Kamion> could you file that in bugzilla, and I'll see if I can reproduce it at some point?
[02:32] <thaytan> sure
[02:32] <thaytan> I'll test it again tonight
[02:32] <thom> we should organise a UK beerage night post release, by the way
[02:32] <thaytan> as I said, I'm only mentioning it without more testing because I'm at work atm
[02:33] <thaytan> jdub: will you have a ubuntu CD tonight?
[02:33] <mako> mdz: added the bonus (inevitable) question: "what happens is 2100" :)
[02:34] <mako> we should also add something like "how are you going to support yourself"
[02:34] <npmccallum> mdz, jdub: how is this -- http://www.natemccallum.com/uooo.png
[02:34] <Kamion> hm, is "CD's" an Americanism? I'd say "CDs"
[02:34] <Kamion> thom: amen
[02:34] <mako> npmccallum: ooo!
[02:35] <mako> Kamion: it might be a makoism
[02:35] <Kamion> :-)
[02:35] <thom> "we have maximised our preparedness across the nation"
[02:35] <thom> good god
[02:36] <sivang> hebrew failing
[02:36] <sivang> the same red window
[02:36] <sivang> however i like the gdm layout :)
[02:36] <sivang> just saw it after and upgrade
[02:36] <Kamion> mako: changed
[02:37] <Kamion> sivang: anything interesting in the syslog?
[02:37] <sivang> sec
[02:37] <Kamion> sivang: assuming you haven't rebooted, otherwise /var/log/debian-installer/syslog
[02:38] <Kamion> "First Stage Ubuntu Bootstrap"
[02:38] <Kamion> mmm, forth branding
[02:39] <mako> elmo_mf, thom: thanks whoever installed shipit
[02:39] <thom> wasn't me, guv
[02:41] <jdub> Kamion: "CD's" is an apostropheism
[02:41] <jdub> npmccallum: hrm
[02:42] <jdub> mdz, npmccallum: y'know, i'm kinda thinking the OOo branding (just an icon in the splash!) is not really important enough to fix at this stage
[02:42] <jdub> mdz, npmccallum: if we wait for final, we can Do It Right
[02:42] <mdz> jdub: I was wondering about it myself
[02:42] <jdub> and not fuck up licensing issues and so on
[02:42] <mdz> but it's too late to get confirmation from Mark
[02:42] <Kamion> hmm ... powerpc install breaks
[02:42] <Kamion> nautilus/nautilus-data desync in the archive, I think
[02:43] <Kamion> ah, nautilus_2.8.0-0ubuntu3_i386 hasn't uploaded yet, and that includes a _all.deb
[02:43] <npmccallum> jdub, mdz: who made the bug critical?
[02:44] <mdz> Kamion: yeah
[02:44] <mdz> mine just ran into the same problem
[02:44] <mdz> npmccallum: jdub did
[02:44] <Kamion> another reason to default to commenting out archive.ubuntu.com, I feel ...
[02:45] <Kamion> (and to ask)
[02:45] <mdz> I'll wait and retry
[02:45] <npmccallum> mdz, jdub: I'm totally cool with waiting if you guys are.  We don't have time to build ooo to properly test it anyway
[02:46] <Kamion> npmccallum: especially not given the openoffice.org-amd64 weirdness
[02:46] <Kamion> T-13 hours isn't a good time for that stuff :)
[02:46] <elmo_mf> 13 hours?
[02:47] <elmo_mf> I thougt jdub said lunch/afternoon US ?
[02:47] <jdub> elmo_mf: 1400 UTC, see WartyWarthog/PreviewReleaseDayZero
[02:47] <Kamion> he was talking 1400 UTC earlier
[02:47] <mdz> jdub: er, I thought we agreed to move it forward to 1500?
[02:47] <jdub> mdz: sorry, yes
[02:48] <jdub> and it has been on that page
[02:48] <mdz> jdub, npmccallum: let's downgrade that to normal and revisit it after preview
[02:48] <Kamion> so 11am US east coast
[02:48] <mdz> npmccallum: the icon changes are ready to upload?
[02:48] <sivang> Kamion : kbd-chooser : cannot open file none , when setting keymap
[02:48] <sivang> Kamion : error code 1
[02:49] <Kamion> sivang: interesting, that didn't happen to me
[02:49] <Kamion> sivang: if you could put that in the bug I'd appreciate it, and will revisit after preview
[02:49] <sivang> Kamion : amazingly, it didn't happen on the QEMU test. lemem run another qeumu test
[02:49] <npmccallum> mdz: let me see if I'm still having the translation problem -- if I'm not, they should be ready to upload
[02:49] <Kamion> I'm not surprised about that, the keyboard detection is hardware-dependent
[02:49] <Kamion> sivang: if you have anything like a USB keyboard, then please mention that
[02:50] <sivang> Kamion : i do!
[02:50] <Kamion> there we go, explains why I didn't see that
[02:50] <Kamion> stick that in the bug too :)
[02:50] <sivang> Kamion : ok
[02:50] <Kamion> thanks
[02:51] <sivang> Kamion : no thank you :)
[02:51] <jdub> mdz: btw, is that bugzilla WartyWarthog -> Ubuntu change happening?
[02:57] <elmo_mf> jdub: yeah, for like 8 hours dude
[02:57] <elmo_mf> anyway, bleh
[03:03] <mdz> jdub: that's a question for justdave
[03:03] <mdz> elmo_mf: he's talking about the name of the product
[03:04] <elmo_mf> mdz: huh?
[03:04] <mdz> elmo_mf: the bugzilla Product, "WartyWarthog"
[03:05] <elmo_mf> mdz: err, if you're talking about "yeah for like 8 hours dude", I was responding to jdub's earlier, "it's been on the previewreleasezeroday webpage" comment
[03:05] <mdz> elmo_mf: oh
[03:06] <mdz> elmo_mf: and you hassle me for responding to things out of order :-P
[03:06] <elmo_mf> I made one comment, dude :P
[03:06] <Kamion> hm, nautilus/i386 still not built
[03:06] <jdub> elmo_mf: hrm?
[03:06] <justdave> I don't think there's any problem with it happening, mdz and I just have to coordinate on it because he has to change debzilla at the same time to keep it from breaking
[03:07] <elmo_mf> jdub: nm
[03:07] <mdz> justdave: let's do it right now
[03:08] <justdave> ok, on my way in
[03:08] <justdave> ok, done on the Bugzilla side
[03:08] <mdz> done
[03:08] <jdub> distcheck is for lonely people
[03:09] <mdz> justdave: how about the components?
[03:09] <elmo_mf> Kamion: something funny happened to the upload - forcing it to try again
[03:10] <justdave> just getting to that, was out for a few hours after we last spoke on it.
[03:10] <Kamion> (topicdiff: bugzilla.no-name-yet.com -> bugzilla.ubuntu.com)
[03:10] <justdave> I'll probably have it done in the next hour or so
[03:10] <Kamion> elmo_mf: thanks
[03:10] <mdz> justdave: ok, thanks, that's critical for the preview
[03:12] <elmo_mf> someone is going to be checking britney output before release right?
[03:13] <elmo_mf> (I may not be up)
[03:13] <Kamion> yep
[03:13] <Kamion> uh
[03:13] <Kamion> elmo_mf: we may need another debian-installer upload here
[03:14] <elmo_mf> kamion: when?
[03:14] <Kamion> soon as I have it prepared and approved
[03:14] <Kamion> final disk space estimates and boot screen stuff
[03:14] <mdz> Kamion: nautilus seems built now; re-testing powerpc here
[03:14] <elmo_mf> fine, I'm not going to be soon anyway, but I do need at least 3-4 hours sleep somewhere
[03:15] <Kamion> thanks
[03:15] <Kamion> about to retest in custom mode to get the final number for that
[03:21] <mdz> damn, all my saved searches in bugzilla are broken now
[03:21] <mdz> have to redo them
[03:23] <jdub> yeah, just got me too :|
[03:23] <jdub> but this is good!
[03:23] <jdub> HOORAY FOR UBUNTU PRODUCT!
[03:26] <sivang> d-i froze when probing for drives in grub-install :(
[03:27] <sivang> the debug console said it's going to take a long time, but it has done it swiftly on former builds
[03:27] <mdz> sivang: has it ever worked on that system?
[03:27] <mdz> that code hasn't changed in quite a long time
[03:27] <Kamion> if it's xfs then there's a race condition, it might work sometimes and fail sometimes on the same hardware
[03:27] <sivang> before that, i resized and ext3 partition
[03:27] <sivang> the same one the install was done on
[03:27] <Kamion> or it might always work on some computers, and always fail on others
[03:28] <sivang> it's xfs
[03:28] <Kamion> you lose :)
[03:28] <sivang> yeah I do
[03:28] <sivang> :(
[03:28] <Kamion> I thought there was a warning about that in partman
[03:28] <Kamion> don't use xfs for / or /boot
[03:28] <sivang> so i'd have to create an ext3 for /boot?
[03:29] <sivang> poepl told me it worked from them
[03:29] <Kamion> yes, possibly / as well
[03:29] <Kamion> yes, it might work for them but they're lucky
[03:29] <sivang> ok, back to reiserfs for me :)
[03:30] <Kamion> actually
[03:30] <thom> sivang: reiser is never a good choice
[03:30] <Kamion> ext3 for /boot and xfs for / should be fine
[03:30] <Kamion> but the warning is there for a reason, and it really means it
[03:30] <sivang> setting an LVM parition is not enough for an install right? (i tried it and it looped me through partman)
[03:30] <Kamion> you need to create some partitions in the volume group as well
[03:31] <sivang> using partman?
[03:31] <Kamion> yep
[03:31] <Kamion> there should be free space listed under the LVM volume group
[03:31] <Kamion> you can create partitions in there
[03:32] <mako> anyone not ordered a few cd's in shipit?
[03:32] <Kamion> not sure putting / in there will work at the moment, though, leave it outside the volume group for safety
[03:32] <Kamion> mako: hm, I haven't
[03:32] <pitti> mdz: I just finished test-installing the latest iso, but now its 3:30 and I'm too tired to hack on
[03:32] <mako> Kamion: go try to break it
[03:33] <pitti> mdz: I'm afraid I cannot fix these burning problems until the release tomorrow
[03:33] <mako> Kamion: http://shipitl.no-name-yet.com
[03:33] <mako> Kamion: http://shipit.no-name-yet.com
[03:33] <mako> and put in your info in the process
[03:33] <mako> just takes a second
[03:33] <mdz> pitti: I know; I set it to major to indicate that it's RC for final but not for preview
[03:33] <mdz> preview is >= critical seerity
[03:33] <pitti> mdz: I know, I just wanted to report
[03:33] <mdz> pitti: how did your test go?
[03:33] <pitti> well, no RC issues
[03:34] <pitti> the X resolution is wrong
[03:34] <Kamion> mako: if passwords don't match, it seems to lose the country I entered
[03:34] <pitti> I have 1280x1024 LCD and it set up 1280x960
[03:34] <pitti> archive-copier sucks, but this is intentional, I think
[03:34] <justdave> mdz: component list is updated.
[03:34] <mdz> justdave: great, how big is the search page now?
[03:34] <justdave> that didn't take long at all.
[03:34] <Kamion> "They will be shipped the following address" -> should be "to the"
[03:34] <pitti> apt-sources have security updates commented out
[03:34] <Kamion> pitti: :-P
[03:35] <justdave> dunno, it loaded fairly quick for me. :)
[03:35] <justdave> but I have a broadband connection
[03:35] <pitti> mdz: I installed with network, the normal debs were activated automatically (I think), but security is commented out
[03:35] <pitti> mdz: all in all, pretty good install, X, sound, stuff works
[03:36] <pitti> good night, guys! I'm falling asleep instantly
[03:36] <pitti> I wish you success with the last fixes
[03:36] <mdz> pitti: see you tomorrow :-)
[03:36] <pitti> mdz: see you! I try to get up before the CD build deadline
[03:36] <pitti> (which is in nearly 6 hours)
[03:36] <pitti> g'night
[03:37] <jdub> nigh-- bah
[03:37] <justdave> curl says 249k
[03:37] <mako> Kamion: oh really? hm.. i thought i fixed that
[03:37] <sivang> does anyone have a link to a UTC convertor?
[03:37] <sivang> :)
[03:38] <mdz> sivang: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
[03:38] <mdz> justdave: a bit heavy, but not unusable
[03:39] <daniels> jesus
[03:40] <sivang> mdz : thanks
[03:41] <justdave> as a point of comparison, the query page on bugzilla.redhat.com is 271k
[03:41] <tseng> is there a good reason to ommit ipod support from the rhytmbox builds?
[03:42] <justdave> (with the javascript).  RedHat also offers to load it without the javascript, and that comes out at 145k
[03:42] <jdub> tseng: it wasn't ready by the time we froze. we'll probably have it for the next release. :)
[03:42] <tseng> jdub: great show :)
[03:47] <elmo_mf> so, like what happened to :set paste being the default in vim-tiny and/or vim-tiny replacing nvi or whatever the plan was?
[03:47] <jdub> elmo_mf: there is no vim-tiny
[03:47] <jdub> it wasn't in the vim packages by freeze
[03:48] <elmo_mf> meh, you guys all suck.  us nvi-die-hards will have our revengeh
[03:50] <justdave> Is Apple going to go in a tizzy over that?  Apple's crying foul because of RealNetworks trying to make their software support iPod I thought.
[03:51] <jdub> justdave: we'll have to see if sabdfl is worried about potential apple tizzy. i suspect he wouldn't be. :-)
[03:52] <Kamion> Apple are in dodgy enough territory with regards to music themselves
[03:52] <jdub> yeah, steve jobs has the *worst* music tast
[03:52] <jdub> e
[03:52] <jdub> oh, you mean like corporate and stuff.
[03:52] <Kamion> they lost that court case with Apple Corps
[03:53] <justdave> Apple's paying them off though.
[03:53] <justdave> rumor has it it's going to be the largest non-class-action payout in history
[03:54] <justdave> and some of the Apple Corps folks might get seats on Apple Computer's board or something
[03:56] <jdub> when steve jobs buys michael jackson, then i'll be impressed
[03:56] <jdub> his stock is dwindling, the time is right!
[03:56] <jdub> ENTER SAVIOUR STEVE
[03:58] <npmccallum> ugh, even building a source package of ooo takes forever
[04:00] <elmo_mf> binaries takes 5:30 on our buildds :)
[04:00] <jdub> elmo_mf: good lord
[04:02] <jamesh> elmo: that's impressive.
[04:04] <jdub> Kamion: raised and approved
[04:04] <Kamion> jdub: ta, just doing a quick boot test
[04:07] <sivang> either i have bad luck , or i am doing all wrong..
[04:07] <sivang> after first stage,
[04:08] <sivang> rebooted, downloaded remainng packages
[04:08] <npmccallum> mdz: I'm having the debuild -S translation problem on a clean ubuntu install
[04:08] <sivang> fninshed, started to install them, I switched to another tty, and logged in 
[04:08] <sivang> as the newly created user. Is this support? (during pkgs setup)
[04:09] <sivang> (while in installation)
[04:09] <Kamion> that's fine, but it depends what you did as the newly created user :)
[04:09] <mdz> npmccallum: what is causing it?
[04:09] <sivang> just logged in
[04:09] <Kamion> it's not a fully-configured system yet, but the base system is there
[04:09] <mdz> npmccallum: something in the clean target?
[04:10] <sivang> it reached a package (cannot remember it's name) and suddenly spitted "ld 1,2...x" is spawning , after which system hung up with
[04:10] <npmccallum> mdz: I have no idea, I have the same problem with the ssh package and another package as well (i forget which one)
[04:10] <sivang> couldn't find /usr/bin/sh
[04:11] <sivang> and other related bins, like the tty login one
[04:11] <sivang> (getty?)
[04:11] <npmccallum> mdz: To see what is happening see #1188, I attached a diff
[04:12] <Kamion> try in a Debian unstable chroot?
[04:12] <Kamion> elmo_mf: debian-installer_20040801ubuntu13_source.changes uploaded
[04:12] <npmccallum> Kamion: I don't have a Debian unstable chroot :)
[04:12] <Kamion> that's what debootstrap's for
[04:13] <Kamion> well, that and little details like the base system installation
[04:13] <npmccallum> lol
[04:14] <mdz> npmccallum: if you can't find out what's going wrong, ask someone else here to do the upload; it needs to happen soon and I can't do it right now
[04:14] <elmo_mf> kamion: pushing to mirrors
[04:14] <Kamion> elmo_mf: ta
[04:15] <npmccallum> Any volunteers?  I can send a patch of the changes...
[04:16] <Kamion> npmccallum: I'll do it, mail me
[04:16] <Kamion> mdz: what about openoffice.org-amd64?
[04:17] <mdz> Kamion: what about it?
[04:17] <mdz> oh, propagating the changes
[04:17] <Kamion> yes
[04:17] <mdz> there's a README in it which explains the procedure
[04:17] <mdz> it'll need to wait until the i386 build is complete
[04:17] <Kamion> ok
[04:18] <Kamion> elmo_mf: do you happen to know what time lamont's daily d-i build kicks off?
[04:19] <elmo_mf> kamion: 6-ish
[04:19] <Kamion> guessing you won't have time to byhand that before we want to build final CDs though
[04:20] <Kamion> how about we just go with installer-{amd64,i386,powerpc} for preview - that's better anyway
[04:20] <sivang> this ok : dpkg: regarding .../dpkg_1.10.22ubuntu2_i386.deb containing dpkg, pre-dependency problem:
[04:20] <sivang>  dpkg pre-depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4)
[04:20] <sivang> ?
[04:20] <elmo_mf> kamion: delete the dailies?
[04:20] <Kamion> sivang: perfectly normal while bootstrapping
[04:20] <sivang> ok
[04:20] <Kamion> elmo_mf: no
[04:20] <Kamion> let's not burn bridges just in case :)
[04:21] <Kamion> going with the previous daily is better than nothing at all
[04:21] <elmo_mf> kamion: hm, can we at least delete them from final? :p
[04:21] <Kamion> probably, yeah
[04:22] <elmo_mf> hmm, xchat's open in abrowser stuff doesn't seem to work in warty
[04:24] <mdz> jdub: the debug artwork on the gdm login screen is on your list, right?
[04:24] <mdz> Kamion: powerpc install was flawless
[04:26] <elmo_mf> i386, amd64 built.. just waiting for sub-arch-happy powerpc now
[04:27] <sivang> Kamion : can't find what causing this. ah well, probably my system only
[04:29] <jdub> mdz: already uploaded to chinstrap
[04:29] <mdz> ok
[04:29] <jdub> now in the queue
[04:31] <npmccallum> mdz: mind if I change the default value for VERBOSE to "no" in the initscript package (drastically less output)?
[04:31] <Kamion> mdz: bonus
[04:31] <elmo_mf> okay, ubuntu-artwork +d-i images hit the archive in next cron.daily in like 2 minutes
[04:32] <mdz> npmccallum: right now? yes, I would rather you didn't change it until after preview
[04:32] <Kamion> elmo_mf: hooray
[04:32] <Kamion> mdz: hooray
[04:32] <npmccallum> mdz: ok, didn't know if you wanted it before preview.  I'll wait
[04:36] <thom> ladies and gentlemen, we have bittorrent
[04:36] <thom> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/sounders/current/
[04:37] <mdz> thom: hoorah
[04:37] <jdub> thom: yaaaay!
[04:37] <mdz> thom: can we get the .torrent files alongside the images on archive.ubuntu.com?
[04:37] <Kamion> cool
[04:37] <thom> mdz: probably, yes
[04:37] <Kamion> looks like it was an old set of ISOs, from the -1 in the filenames?
[04:38] <mdz> Kamion: yes, and the dates
[04:38] <thom> Kamion: current sounder image
[04:38] <Kamion> thom: ok
[04:38] <thom> it seemed the best test case
[04:38] <Kamion> mdz: let's look at rearranging the .torrent files after preview
[04:38] <Kamion> ?
[04:38] <mdz> Kamion: rearranging?
[04:39] <Kamion> well, if you want .torrent to arrive in cdimage then that's going to involve a fair bit of coordination
[04:39] <mdz> nah, for preview we can just copy it in after the fact
[04:39] <Kamion> and probably reorg of some of the cdimage scripts
[04:39] <Kamion> oh, that's fine
[04:39] <mdz> they just ought to be in the same directory so folk will find them
[04:39] <Kamion> we can avoid blocking on them then
[04:39] <thom> ok
[04:40] <thom> can you please test what is there
[04:40] <Kamion> hm, I think I'll start today's CD builds off at -5
[04:40] <mdz> thom: working for me so far, thanks
[04:40] <thom> and make sure that you actually get the isos correctly :-)
[04:40] <mdz> thom: does the tracker write out any fun statistics?
[04:40] <thom> mdz: cool
[04:41] <thom> 69.167.148.207 - - [15/Sep/2004:03:39:55]  "GET /announce?info_hash=E%D6%FE%A0%B7%28%C0n%E3%05Z%A7Qi%EBy%18%BE%09%DB&peer_id=M3-4-2--a6d17fe25743&port=6881&key=c9ef53d1&uploaded=0&downloaded=0&left=490483712&compact=1&event=started HTTP/1.0" 200 62 "-" "BitTorrent/3.4.2"
[04:42] <thom> not the most useful ever :/
[04:42] <mdz> heh
[04:42] <thom> ie, we can work out hits, and we can probably tie in the hash to the cdimage to work out what we're actually firing out
[04:43] <elmo_mf> there's no other stats?
[04:43] <thom> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[04:44] <Kamion> npmccallum: wow, you weren't kidding about the source package build taking forever
[04:50] <daf> thom: kick *arse*!
[04:52] <elmo_mf> ubuntu-artwork is in 
[04:52] <npmccallum> Kamion: yeah, especially after I did like 5 tries of it today, every one with the translation bug
[04:52] <npmccallum> and two tries yesterday
[04:53] <npmccallum> well, my wife is calling me to bed... see you guys in the morning
[04:53] <tseng> bye nate
[04:53] <Kamion> npmccallum: seems to build fine for me
[04:53] <thom> night dude
[04:54] <elmo_mf> kamion: still want ubuntu11, ubuntu12 images?
[04:55] <Kamion> elmo_mf: don't want ubuntu11, give me a second and I'll tell you about ubuntu12
[04:55] <npmccallum> Kamion: do a debdiff between the versions to make sure
[04:55] <Kamion> npmccallum: always do
[04:56] <npmccallum> Kamion: its not building on a stock ubuntu system
[04:56] <npmccallum> Kamion: well, the source package builds, but there is the extra mangled template stuff
[04:56] <npmccallum> night all
[04:56] <Kamion> npmccallum: it should technically be harmless, but I will try to look into it
[04:57] <Kamion> npmccallum: I wrote that magic originally, for woody-compatibility; it then propagated through a bunch of Debian packages
[04:57] <elmo_mf> does anyone else need anything from me archive wise? I might try to grab a few hours sleep
[04:57] <jdub> elmo_mf: sleep well :)
[04:57] <Kamion> I'm just uploading openoffice.org now; that doesn't generally need intervention does it?
[04:58] <tseng> hmm that gdm theme is bright
[04:58] <tseng> :P
[04:59] <elmo_mf> kamion: not AFAIK
[04:59] <Kamion> cool
[04:59] <mdz> jdub: what's the status of #1080?
[04:59] <Kamion> bizarre version number is to leave myself space for more builds before the cron job fires
[04:59] <Kamion> that build doesn't have the newest ubuntu-artwork though
[05:00] <elmo_mf> hmm, are we going to need another d-i then?
[05:00] <elmo_mf> or do we only care about the images?
[05:00] <Kamion> shouldn't need another d-i, no
[05:00] <Kamion> ubuntu-artwork isn't in the initrd
[05:01] <Kamion> whoops, powerpc mkisofs sorting is fux0red
[05:03] <elmo_mf> kamion: oh, right
[05:05] <thom> mdz: ok, new torrents being generated, i'll add them to the tracker in a sec
[05:10] <mako> awesome, everything.ubuntulinux.org is online
[05:11] <mako> the lists are a little goofy :)
[05:11] <daniels> brb, going to sydney
[05:16] <lamont> moo
[05:17] <lamont> Kamion: we could pull up the daily build if you want
[05:17] <Kamion> lamont: we're not going to be using the daily build for the preview release, so don't worry about it
[05:18] <lamont> cool
[05:18] <elmo_mf> heh, "here's our preview release, it's just our latest daily crack-build!"
[05:18] <Kamion> elmo_mf: well, the rest of it is ... :)
[05:19] <elmo_mf> gar, no phone, no alarm clock..
[05:20] <jdub> mdz: can you reassign that to someone else?
[05:20] <lamont> mdz around?
[05:20] <jdub> mdz: if you want to put the .desktop file in ubuntu-artwork, it's just a debian/ dir patch on top
[05:21] <jdub> mdz: also, is bug-buddy -> supported?
[05:22] <Kamion> mdz: so, we're asking the "do you want to download updates from the network?" question for both archive.ubuntu.com and security.ubuntu.com in one go, is that right?
[05:23] <Kamion> that's the closest to an outcome I could decipher from the sounder@ thread
[05:23] <lamont> did daniels already leave?
[05:23] <thom> lamont: yes
[05:24] <mako> if anybody needs me, call me at +12064097191
[05:24] <mako> i'll be back in a little bit
[05:29] <mdz> Kamion: I don't think we should ask more than one question
[05:29] <mdz> lamont: yes
[05:29] <mdz> jdub: my problem with the bug-buddy->supported / ubuntu-artwork approach is that upgrades will never get bug-buddy
[05:31] <Kamion> mdz: agreed
[05:31] <Kamion> mdz: the question is whether to ask about archive and default security on, or ask about both
[05:31] <mdz> Kamion: one question, "do you want stuff via the Internet?"
[05:31] <mdz> if yes, archive+security
[05:31] <mdz> if no, neither
[05:32] <Kamion> righto
[05:32] <mdz> stuff -> "additional software and updates"
[05:32] <mdz> the archive part of it really shouldn't be an issue for final
[05:33] <mdz> lamont: are you home?
[05:33] <jdub> mdz: true
[05:34] <jdub> mdz: but with bug-buddy installed, you get gnome crash reports
[05:34] <jdub> mdz: but then, we'll fix that by final
[05:34] <jdub> mdz: i'll upload a new bug-buddy :)
[05:36] <lamont> home
[05:37] <lamont> and to the kick back and wait stage
[05:38] <mdz> no kicking back around here, soldier :-)
[05:39] <fabbione> hey guys
[05:39] <mdz> good morning
[05:41] <lamont> and what's the reward for a job well done in this man's army??? :-)
[05:41] <lamont> morning fabbione.
[05:44] <fabbione> night.... it's 5:40 am :(
[05:46] <lamont> mdz: ah, hell.
[05:48] <lamont> hrm. typing break
[05:52] <m_tthew> the new artwork and color scheme are excellent
[05:53] <jdub> m_tthew: they're temporary too, but spiffed up for the preview release :)
[05:54] <mdz> there is _ever greater_ spiffiness to come
[05:54] <m_tthew> no doubt :)
[05:54] <jdub> mdz: i haven't changed tool tips or anything like that, just changed the Exec line
[05:54] <mdz> jdub: sounds perfect
[05:55] <m_tthew> I imagine the spiffiness is only begining; rather for me only begining when I saw the zebra print the first time
[05:56] <jdub> unforutunately the zebra print is gone :|
[05:56] <jdub> but it will rise from the dead in my repo soon :)
[05:57] <m_tthew> good luck everyone, time for me to sleep
[06:01] <jdub> mdz: b-b uploaded
[06:01] <mdz> thank
[06:01] <mdz> s
[06:02] <lamont> amd64+ccache is, um, scary
[06:09] <jdub> d'oh!
[06:10] <Amroc> Allo
[06:12] <lamont> Amroc: sure thing
[06:12] <lamont> jdub: btw, is the live CD expected to not configure the network????
[06:12] <lamont> Amroc: which live cd did you grab? sounder 8?
[06:12] <jdub> lamont: dunno
[06:13] <lamont> the fix to Amroc's woes was litteraly to switch to another VC and say 'dhclient'
[06:13] <Amroc> on my laptop i cant get the net to work, i go in and do the dhclient, and it still dosent work, my dad says i need to put in my wep key...i dont know whcin one i grabed
[06:13] <mdz> jdub: as I said earlier, that is a bug in the live CD
[06:13] <mdz> er
[06:13] <mdz> s/jdub/lamont/
[06:13] <Amroc> it ws like "warty_v2" or something
[06:15] <lamont> mdz: way cool
[06:15] <lamont> as in 'known bug'??
[06:15] <mdz> yes
[06:15] <Amroc> so its not my fault?
[06:16] <mdz> the fact that it did not come up automatically is not your fault
[06:16] <mdz> but if you need a wep key, you need to do that by hand anyway
[06:17] <lamont> sent
[06:17] <lamont> mdz: he's hardwired on that machine.
[06:17] <lamont> his other machine will need the wep key, maybe..\
[06:18] <Amroc> my dad says i will, so i unno
[06:18] <Amroc> lamont, was your kid sitting out in the car the entire time you were helping me?
[06:18] <mdz> is xscreensaver smart enough to disable the GL screensavers if DRI is not present?
[06:20] <elmo_mf> no
[06:20] <elmo_mf> we should make it be
[06:20] <mdz> er
[06:21] <mdz> our default screensaver choices are mostly GL
[06:21] <elmo_mf> yes
[06:21] <mdz> anyone who doesn't have DRI is going to be seriously unhappy
[06:21] <elmo_mf> no, they'll just have really lame screensavers
[06:22] <elmo_mf> (but yes, I agree, it sucks.. )
[06:22] <mdz> they'll have screensavers which use all their cpu and look shitty
[06:22] <Amroc> ok, im just gonna bug lamont tomorrow night, good night/morning every one (depending on where in the worl you are)
[06:24] <lamont> must not get Amroc in trouble with his mum.
[06:33] <jdub> Kamion: that isolinux boot logo looks okay
[06:35] <jdub> at least it matches the other art
[06:35] <jdub> though the black one looks cooler
[06:35] <jdub> hrm
[06:38] <Kamion> I think the new one is better-designed
[06:38] <Kamion> I'm so not a graphic artist :)
[06:38] <jdub> heh
[06:38] <jdub> ok
[06:39] <Kamion> "Ubuntu provides additional software and timely security updates via the Internet. These updates may be tracked each time you upgrade your system. If you have a connection to the Internet, this is generally a good idea.
[06:39] <Kamion> Download software from the Internet?"
[06:40] <jdub> Kamion: s/the Internet/the Ubuntu update server/ ?
[06:40] <elmo_mf> jdub: what about mirrors?
[06:40] <elmo_mf> this is not just security
[06:40] <jdub> Kamion: we're not asking about mirrors are we?
[06:41] <elmo_mf> oh, duh, no we're not yet, so nm
[06:41] <Kamion> no; it's not just updates though, it's stuff in Supported
[06:41] <jdub> oh man
[06:41] <jdub> my cd is skipping during the copy
[06:41] <jdub> :o
[06:41] <jdub> ;-)
[06:41] <jdub> s/skipping/seeking/
[06:41] <Kamion> yeah, I think there's a cache-chucked-out-of-RAM issue
[06:41] <Kamion> I'll look at it after preview
[06:41] <Kamion> unless you want me to look at it before preview
[06:42] <jdub> i do not
[06:42] <jdub> this is not nam
[06:42] <jdub> this is bowling
[06:42] <jdub> there are rules
[06:42] <jdub> ;-)
[06:43] <jdub> this is so rad
[06:53] <whiprush_> it's all about rad.
[06:57] <lamont> jdub: nam as in vietnam?
[06:58] <thom> elmo_mf: you love vi really
[07:13] <jdub> how many packages in main?
[07:13] <jdub> elmo_mf, mdz: ?
[07:15] <Kamion> <cjwatson@riva /mirror/ubuntu>$ zcat dists/warty/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz | grep-dctrl --count ''
[07:16] <Kamion> 2145
[07:16] <jdub> thanks
[07:16] <Kamion> source packages:
[07:16] <Kamion> <cjwatson@riva /mirror/ubuntu>$ zcat dists/warty/main/source/Sources.gz | grep-dctrl --count ''
[07:16] <Kamion> 980
[07:16] <mdz> jdub: here
[07:16] <jdub> Kamion: and universe?
[07:16] <jdub> mdz: just asking these questions
[07:16] <Kamion> jdub: can't get that so conveniently, I don't mirror it. one sec
[07:17] <jdub> thanks
[07:17] <jdub> aruond 8000?
[07:18] <Kamion> jdub: 10826
[07:19] <jdub> wow
[07:19] <jdub> thanks ;)
[07:19] <Kamion> (i386)
[07:19] <elmo_mf> what's the deicision on the Bugs:// header?
[07:20] <Kamion> 7261 source
[07:28] <dieman> elmo_mf: poke.
[07:29] <elmo_mf> dieman: hi
[07:29] <dieman> elmo_mf: I finished up a ubuntu/ mirror
[07:29] <dieman> im resyncing now
[07:29] <dieman> couldn't find the space for cd images tho
[07:29] <elmo_mf> dieman: URL(s)?
[07:30] <elmo_mf> and how often do you plan on resyncing? 
[07:30] <dieman> ftp://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu/ , how badly do you want http:
[07:30] <dieman> ?
[07:30] <elmo_mf> dieman: alternatively, just add yourself to the wiki :)
[07:30] <dieman> and also, how often do you recommend
[07:30] <elmo_mf> dieman: http really is a lot better for apt, so it'd be nice
[07:30] <dieman> ok
[07:30] <dieman> i'll setup http in a min here
[07:31] <elmo_mf> dieman: well, we update every 30 minutes, but that's not sane until we get a trigger so you don't run unless there's changes.. I gues every hour or two (or three..) depending on how fast your machine, how much you care etc.
[07:32] <dieman> yeah, its a lightly loaded 500mhz ultrasparc...
[07:32] <dieman> so no worries here
[07:33] <dieman> 613.76kB/s
[07:33] <dieman> nice d/l rates at night too
[07:33] <dieman> downloading the mass that is tetex
[07:34] <dieman> wrote 123541 bytes  read 369985510 bytes  495129.17 bytes/sec
[07:35] <dieman> yeah, that wasn't too bad
[07:41] <Kamion> I think I must be approaching 20 Ubuntu installs today
[07:42] <dieman> elmo_mf: did you want resync frequency on the wiki page, or did you just want to know?
[07:44] <carlos> fabbione: seems like the compilation is stalled at:
[07:44] <carlos> /usr/bin/make -C build-tree/xc WORLDOPTS="" IMAKE_DEFINES="-DXFree86CustomVersion='\"Ubuntu 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu17 20040915051945 root@localhost.localdomain\"' -DBuildSpecsDocs=NO -DBuildFonts=NO" World > logs/make_world.build.log 2>&1
[07:44] <lamont> Kamion: so it's a good thing they're fast? :)
[07:44] <lamont> carlos: > logs/make_world.build.log 2>&1
[07:45] <Kamion> lamont: s'what multiple machines are for ... :)
[07:45] <lamont> that's X redirecting everything and it's mother to a log file.
[07:45] <lamont> Kamion: heh
[07:45] <Kamion> yes, that's it stalled at "compiling all of X" :-)
[07:45] <lamont> of course, if the build ever takes more than 2.5 hours,there are some buildd's that'll fail it for stallage...
[07:45] <carlos> lamont: hmm, true, I thought it was only a small portion of the compilation redirected...
[07:46] <thom> yay, colin's still suffering too! ;-)
[07:46] <lamont> carlos: it's everything, effectively
[07:46] <Kamion> thom: were you planning on sleeping?
[07:46] <dieman> tick. tock.
[07:46] <thom> Kamion: no, there seems little point now
[07:46] <Kamion> ditto
[07:47] <dieman> the 'release' is RSN? eh?
[07:47] <thom> dieman: 7 houra
[07:47] <dieman> heh
[07:47] <Kamion> 8 hours I think
[07:47] <dieman> someone got a jscript countdown timer up yet? :)
[07:47] <dieman> javascript, rather, or whatever.
[07:47] <Kamion> actually, 9 hours
[07:47] <lamont> well, give or take, eh?
[07:47] <dieman> heh, so by the time i get into work tomorrow
[07:47] <dieman> great
[07:47] <lamont> dieman: you running apache 1.3???
[07:47] <dieman> that should make the ftp server verrry interesting :)
[07:48] <carlos> bahh, what's one hour more or less after all night working?
[07:48] <carlos> :-D
[07:48] <dieman> lamont: on ringworld.org still :|
[07:48] <dieman> lamont: haven't had time to migrate
[07:48] <dieman> lamont: i use it at work except for one server where we have a 'legacy' module
[07:48] <dieman> (uses mm in a not-so-nice-to-apache2.0-way)
[07:49] <dieman> im busy installing apache 2.0 on this ftp server
[07:49] <lamont> said person is a well connected security person, not in this channel
[07:49] <dieman> since the ftp admin is all anti-http ;)
[07:49] <lamont> heh
[07:49] <dieman> im guessing if anything
[07:49] <dieman> im fucked by php
[07:49] <dieman> not apache
[07:50] <mdz> dieman: I have had an xdaliclock counting down for a couple of days
[07:50] <mdz> helps keep me focused
[07:50] <dieman> mdz: cool
[07:57] <mdz> Kamion: still with us?
[07:57] <Kamion> mdz: yep
[07:57] <Kamion> following thom's lead and having breakfast now
[07:59] <mdz> lamont: is the latest oo.o upload building now?
[08:01] <lamont> mdz: for the last 2.5 hours... give it another 3
[08:01] <lamont> 3.5 on ppc
[08:08] <dieman> ok.
[08:08] <dieman> http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu is all setup now
[08:11] <mdz> cool!
[08:11] <mdz> back in 10
[08:13] <dieman> wow
[08:13] <dieman> master.d.o can pull off of ftp.cs.umn.edu at 1.27MB/s (yes, bytes.)
[08:13] <dieman> tested with warty's Contents-i386.gz
[08:14] <dieman> no, that was from gluck
[08:14] <dieman> not thinking what i was logged into
[08:14] <dieman> not master :)
[08:15] <dieman> now with vegastrike-data...
[08:15] <dieman> 00:15:50 (1.37 MB/s) - `/dev/null' saved [121897040/121897040] 
[08:23] <Mithrandir> mdz: _ew_, another OOo upload?  I should do the amd64 OOO dance, then..
[08:24] <mdz> Mithrandir: yes, once i386 is built
[08:26] <Mithrandir> the sources are in the archive, are they not?
[08:26] <mdz> yes
[08:26] <mdz> don't you need the i386 debs, though?
[08:26] <Mithrandir> nope, so far I've built them myself
[08:26] <Kamion> you might as well wait for the buildds then, they're half-way through now ...
[08:29] <Mithrandir> *breakfast*
[08:33] <thom> it's, um, bracing out there
[08:39] <Kamion> thom: you went outside, you fool
[08:39] <thom> i'd not left the house since 10am yesterday
[08:39] <thom> it seemed like a good idea!
[08:39] <mdz> I haven't left the house since, um...
[08:39] <Kamion> the big room's overrated
[08:40] <mdz> the big hot room
[08:40] <thom> mdz: it's 9C currently ;-)
[08:40] <mdz> 21C here
[08:40] <Mithrandir> thom: hottie, it's 7C here.
[08:41] <Mithrandir> and raining
[08:41] <Mithrandir> (has been for a week)
[08:41] <mdz> a bit warm considering it's almost midnight
[08:41] <dieman> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/09/msg00256.html
[08:41] <dieman> jeezus
[08:41] <jdub> when was the latest cd build?
[08:41] <mdz> it's been humid recently
[08:41] <dieman> sort of the wrong chan too
[08:41] <dieman> tired
[08:41] <mdz> normally the word "humid" does not enter into conversation in this part of the country
[08:42] <thom> hey, what's the weather like in november in LA?
[08:42] <mdz> pretty much like the weather in LA the rest of the year
[08:42] <mdz> warm, sunny and dry
[08:42] <dieman> crappy.
[08:42] <mdz> thom: http://weather.yahoo.com/climo/USCA1107_c.html
[08:42] <dieman> when we went to the san diego wild animal park it was somehow worse
[08:43] <dieman> like 95F
[08:43] <Kamion> mdz: the cdimage crontab will fire too early to catch the base-config I just uploaded (or, rather, I uploaded it too late for the crontab).
[08:43] <dieman> ... last july
[08:43] <mdz> average high 20C, average low 5C
[08:43] <dieman> mdz: i didn't know you were in la
[08:43] <mdz> thom: why, you coming to visit?
[08:43] <Kamion> mdz: should I move the crontab, or just build another image when base-config builds?
[08:43] <thom> mdz: yeah, most likely grabbing a few days there before apachecon
[08:43] <mdz> dieman: will have been a year soon
[08:43] <thom> then driving down to vegas with some friends
[08:44] <mdz> neat
[08:44] <Kamion> jdub: four hours ago
[08:44] <dieman> mdz: nifty
[08:44] <dieman> mdz: we were out there for a week in july during the 4th
[08:44] <Mithrandir> dieman: 95F is nice, at least if it's not too humid.
[08:44] <dieman> went out to dana point with the insanity to see the fireworks.
[08:44] <Kamion> hm, new openoffice.org appears to have arrived
[08:44] <thom> i'm hoping 24 isn't an accurate view of LA though ;-)
[08:44] <dieman> and did all the touristy things
[08:45] <Kamion> thom: oh, but wouldn't it be cool if it were
[08:45] <thom> Kamion: well, i'd pass on the nuclear bomb, or the biowarfare... ;-)
[08:45] <mdz> thom: 24?
[08:46] <dieman> the tv show
[08:46] <Kamion> Today is the longest day of Jack's life
[08:46] <thom> mdz: the tv show. realtime. counter terrorist unit based in LA
[08:46] <sabdfl> morning all
[08:46] <thom> hey mark
[08:46] <mdz> ah, I think I have heard of that
[08:46] <mdz> sabdfl: good morning
[08:46] <Kamion> it is the first day of the Californian presidential primary, etc.
[08:46] <Kamion> s/first //
[08:46] <Kamion> morning Mark
[08:46] <fabbione> hey sabdfl 
[08:46] <sabdfl> mdz: new oo.o for final?
[08:46] <sabdfl> BIG DAY TODAY GUYS!
[08:46] <mdz> Mithrandir: howa bout some oo.o love?
[08:47] <sabdfl> I'm very excited, how are you all?
[08:47] <Kamion> somewhere through tired and out the other side
[08:47] <fabbione> sabdfl: who isn't? ;)
[08:47] <dieman> im so excited, that im going to go to bed so I can get up tomorrow morning.
[08:47] <Mithrandir> hiya sabdfl 
[08:47] <dieman> (or this morning, rather)
[08:47] <mdz> a significant contingent probably fall into the category of "sleepy"
[08:47] <dieman> good luck for an on-time release
[08:49] <lamont> sabdfl: g'night.
[08:49] <Mithrandir> mdz: working on it.
[08:49] <sabdfl> cheers lamont, enjoy the rest, see you for the launch?
[08:50] <lamont> oh yeah.  kids have school, alarm goes off in about 4.5 hours.
[08:50] <lamont> I'll roll out of bed in about 5. :-)
[08:50] <thom> sabdfl: about the same state as Colin, here.
[08:50] <sabdfl> thom: i thought you were the "powernowdude"
[08:51] <thom> yeah, battery's running low though so i'm throttled to 50% CPU
[08:51] <Kamion> elmo_mf: still up, or dead?
[08:52] <fabbione> sabdfl: isn't thom the one that likes to slice his fingers? ;)
[08:52] <sabdfl> that's just the midnight server ritual i use
[08:52] <justdave> so....  what's the minimum system requirements for Warty?  We don't appear to have anything on the wiki listing that, and someone asked me :)
[08:52] <thom> Kamion: see, that's cruel :-)
[08:53] <sabdfl> justdave: runs just fine on a P-II 400 w/ 96MB RAM (my dad's system)
[08:53] <Kamion> justdave: 350 MB disk for custom install, 1.8 GB for normal desktop install
[08:54] <lamont> 333MHz P-II with 128MB for my girls
[08:54] <thom> night dude
[08:54] <Kamion> Jeff reckoned earlier for the desktop 128 MB RAM, 512 MB recommended; I'm guessing that's standard GNOME recommendation
[08:54] <sabdfl> justdave: bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org ready for some action?
[08:55] <justdave> that the domain we're going to run it under?
[08:55] <justdave> got everything set up to point at bugzilla.ubuntu.com at the moment
[08:55] <justdave> otherwise, yeah, roaring and ready :)
[08:56] <Mithrandir> mdz: it will take a little to upload.. I should probably just put it on my USB key and upload from university rather than using my puny 640Kbit uplink
[08:56] <mdz> Mithrandir: 640kbit? that's hefty
[08:57] <mdz> I only have 256k here
[08:57] <mdz> jdub: here?
[08:57] <Kamion> they have proper bandwidth in scandinavia
[08:57] <Mithrandir> I guess you don't upload many 200MB packages, then. ;)
[08:57] <mdz> the new bug-buddy seems to be broken
[08:57] <thom> mdz: he's trying to make his laptop not suck, i think
[08:57] <mdz> Error showing url: There was an error launching the default action command associated with this location.
[08:58] <dieman> heh
[08:58] <dieman> i've got 1.5mbps/1mbps
[08:58] <justdave> thom: what would be involved in getting postfix on macquarie to not rewrite the From: lines on the email Bugzilla sends?
[08:58] <mdz> aha
[08:58] <mdz> it's pointing to https
[08:58] <lamont> justdave: are you trying to set the RHS to a CNAME???
[08:58] <mdz> which apparently doesn't work with gnome-open
[08:59] <justdave> both Bugzillas are sending out mail with their own domain names on the From: line, but they're getting rewritten to @macquarie.warthogs.hbd.com
[08:59] <mdz> while if it points to http, it gets redirected to https anad works fine
[08:59] <justdave> lamont: it probably is.  will it automatically not rewrite if we add MXes?
[08:59] <mdz> or maybe it hates the certificate
[08:59] <lamont> CNAME's are always canonized.
[08:59] <mdz> at any rate, it can be fixed by changing it to http
[09:00] <lamont> by any MTA you choose, providing it follows RFC's written 15+ years ago...
[09:00] <lamont> through current
[09:00] <thom> bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org is an A record
[09:00] <lamont> justdave: switching to an MX RR set instead will let the name stand.
[09:00] <lamont> hrm..
[09:00] <lamont> postfix shouldn't rewrite that unless thom's been very busy with the config...
[09:01] <lamont> you sure it's really user@b.u.o in the headers?
[09:02] <mdz> hmm
[09:02] <mdz> it looks like the gnome-open handler for https is epiphany
[09:02] <mdz> while http is firefox
[09:02] <thom> lamont: bog standard install
[09:02] <justdave> it's using bugzilla-daemon@bugzilla.ubuntu.com on the From: line right now
[09:02] <lamont> anyway, gotta get to sleep - I'll try to be up early enough to pester thom about the postfix config if needed
[09:02] <lamont> thom: thought so.
[09:02] <lamont> nfc what's going on, can't think straight.  sleep.
[09:02] <lamont> night
[09:02] <mdz> night
[09:02] <justdave> which is also an A record, by the look of it
[09:03] <mdz> anyone here know anything about gnome preferred applications and the like?
[09:03] <justdave> ah, and that's not getting rewritten
[09:03] <justdave> ok, so the problem fixed itself when we changed the domain.
[09:03] <justdave> bugzilla.n-n-y.com was getting rewritten
[09:03] <justdave> bugzilla.no-name-yet.com is an alias for macquarie.warthogs.hbd.com.
[09:07] <justdave> ok, so the two bugzillas have different domain names on the mail they send out now, so I can tell them apart in my mail filters finally :)
[09:12] <jdub> mdz: pign
[09:12] <jdub> pong
[09:13] <mdz> jdub: the bug reporting menu item seems busticated
[09:13] <mdz> jdub: it tries to launch epiphany
[09:13] <jdub> mdz: it uses gnome-open
[09:13] <mdz> gnome-open https://... runs epiphany
[09:13] <mdz> gnome-open http://... runs firefox
[09:13] <jdub> mdz: if you don't have a fresh install, it'll be a bit bong
[09:13] <mdz> this install is a whole day old
[09:14] <jdub> hrm
[09:14] <jdub> check 'preferred applications'
[09:14] <mdz> it had epiphany set
[09:14] <mdz> custom browser / "epiphany %s"
[09:14] <jdub> that is suboptimal
[09:14] <GmanAFK> there's different handlers for http and https
[09:14] <GmanAFK> in url handler schemas
[09:14] <mdz> I had never touched it until now
[09:15] <jdub> mdz: so does mine
[09:15] <mdz> jdub: if I change it to select a web browser / mozilla firefox, it fixes things
[09:15] <jdub> yes
[09:15] <mdz> and gnome-open https:// launches firefox then, as it should
[09:17] <mdz> I just tested a fresh install from the .2 daily and it has exactly the asme problem
[09:18] <mdz> jdub: is this fixable?
[09:18] <jdub> should be
[09:18] <jdub> just sorting something else out
[09:18] <jdub> then moving on to the pub
[09:19] <jdub> if seb's not around soon, i'll look at it
[09:19] <mdz> seb didn't get to sleep until about 0200 UTC at the earliest
[09:19] <mdz> so I don't expect him
[09:21] <Kamion> eep!
[09:21] <Kamion> where has the morphix CD directory on little gone?
[09:23] <Kamion> it was there last time I looked, and there's nothing in my shell history about it ...
[09:23] <Kamion> likewise npmccallum-bootsplash is gone, although that was obsolete anyway
[09:25] <fabbione> oh yeah oh yeah!
[09:25] <fabbione> i finally got xserver packages with the nv driver from x.org
[09:26] <fabbione> the bastards add a new submodule
[09:26] <mdz> Kamion: I moved it
[09:26] <mdz> Kamion: both of them
[09:26] <Kamion> mdz: where?
[09:26] <mdz> into my home directory, for lack of a better place to hide them
[09:26] <Kamion> ah
[09:26] <Kamion> the morphix directory was advertised though
[09:26] <mdz> the stuff in morphix is unsuitable for release at this point
[09:27] <Kamion> fair enough
[09:27] <mdz> unfortunate, but this seems like the least painful way to cope
[09:27] <mdz> better to have no live CD there than to have a broken one
[09:28] <pitti> lulu: Good morning!
[09:29] <lulu> morning Pitti!
[09:29] <Kamion> morning
[09:29] <mdz> short visit
[09:30] <Kamion> pitti: can #1233 be RESOLVED/INVALID in our bugzilla?
[09:30] <pitti> Kamion: of course, I just wanted to do it
[09:30] <pitti> it's no bug after all
[09:30] <pitti> or, a bug at OSI level 8 :-)
[09:33] <Kamion> topicdiff: new images
[09:35] <mdz> Kamion: shouldn't we do a set when all oo.o binaries are available?
[09:35] <mdz> Mithrandir: what's the ETA for oo.o-amd64?
[09:35] <Kamion> mdz: probably worth respinning then, yes
[09:36] <Kamion> but since cron helpfully built these images I figured I might as well solicit testing
[09:36] <thom> Kamion: figured out what the cdimage dir structure is gonna be?
[09:36] <thom> (so i can make the BT scripts DTRT)
[09:36] <Mithrandir> mdz: uploading now, my laptop decided to throw a fit, which caused me a little bit of trouble.
[09:37] <mdz> Mithrandir: at what time will the upload be complete?
[09:37] <Kamion> thom: /cdimage/releases/4.10/preview/, unless anyone argues; I don't know quite what the structure under that's going to be, but probably install/ and live/
[09:37] <thom> right
[09:38] <Mithrandir> mdz: six minutes to chinstrap
[09:38] <mdz> Mithrandir: thanks
[09:39] <Mithrandir> the new artwork is very, very nice.
[09:39] <mdz> Mithrandir: the new temporary artwork :-)
[09:39] <Mithrandir> yeez, we're still on temporary? :)
[09:39] <Mithrandir> (but the font in the splash screen, where it tells what it's doing is ugly)
[09:40] <Kamion> the logo's nice, but white text on a beige background? I think not :-)
[09:42] <Kamion> hm, I'm sure I've got the new OOo, but the .desktop files are still how they were ...
[09:43] <thom> man, sinfest is on a stormer right now
[09:43] <mdz> Kamion: please don't say that
[09:43] <Mithrandir> something is fucked here.. snd-pcm-oss has been stopped being loaded on boot, which means esd doesn't start, which means rhytmbox doesn't start.
[09:43] <mdz> Kamion: please oh please
[09:43] <mdz> Mithrandir: working fine here
[09:44] <Mithrandir> mdz: what loads pcm-oss in your setup?
[09:44] <mdz> Mithrandir: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[09:44] <Mithrandir> hm, I don't have alsa-base installed. ;)
[09:45] <Kamion> mdz: it doesn't look like the patch has been applied :-(
[09:45] <mdz> Kamion: I am starting to get that feeling
[09:45] <Kamion> what does ooo-build/patches/order do?
[09:46] <mdz> no clue
[09:46] <Mithrandir> what is the new names supposed to be?
[09:46] <mdz> but I am not at all pleased that it wasn't tested
[09:47] <Kamion> I just uploaded it, guv :-/
[09:47] <mdz> I know
[09:47] <Kamion> I think it should've been in OOO_1_1_2 rather than OOO_1_1
[09:47] <mdz> I'm not faulting you
[09:47] <Kamion> wouldn't swear to it, though
[09:47] <Kamion> hm, no, that sets PATCHPATH=.:../OOO_1_1/ etc.
[09:48] <mdz> sabdfl: so, just how critical was https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1188 exactly?
[09:49] <Kamion> oh, I bet you that the patch name should've been added to ooo-build/patches/OOO_1_1_2/apply
[09:49] <Kamion> right after desktop-mime.diff would be good
[09:50] <sabdfl> mdz: not as important as the bug i'm about to file that mozilla suddenly became my default browser for urls in gaim. wtf?
[09:50] <sabdfl> but really, fine to fix by final, not preview
[09:50] <mdz> ok, downgrading
[09:51] <Kamion> I'll not tie up CPU time here with a test build, then
[09:51] <mdz> sabdfl: you had set it to something else?
[09:51] <sabdfl> sensible-browser is now mozilla.... ?
[09:51] <sabdfl> what package is that set in?
[09:52] <sabdfl> surely we want firefox?
[09:52] <mdz> oh, mozilla-mozilla, not mozilla-firefox? blech
[09:52] <mdz> I don't know where it's set
[09:53] <thom> looking now
[09:53] <mdz> it's never done the right thing for me, ever
[09:53] <sabdfl> why is mozilla installed at all?
[09:53] <mdz> so I long ago stopped clicking on URLs in gaim
[09:53] <mdz> mozilla isn't installed with desktop
[09:53] <thom> sabdfl: it's not, here. un  mozilla-browse <none>         (no description available)
[09:53] <thom> clean install
[09:54] <carlos> fabbione: seems like the nv driver works without problems in my iMac
[09:54] <Mithrandir> sabdfl: what does /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser point to?
[09:54] <sabdfl> ok, i've been updating
[09:55] <mdz> it opens firefox for me
[09:55] <mdz> just tested
[09:55] <mdz> hey, there's content on ubuntulinux.org
[09:56] <thom> yeah
[09:56] <sabdfl> Mithrandir: /usr/bin/mozilla
[09:56] <thom> now that zope has been bludgeoned
[09:56] <sabdfl> how do I reset that?
[09:56] <thom> update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[09:56] <mdz> mozilla-firefox registers www-browser with priority 99
[09:56] <thom> (as root/sudo)
[09:56] <mdz> er
[09:56] <mdz> mozilla-browser 99
[09:56] <mdz> mozilla-firefox only asks for 70
[09:57] <mdz> so if both are installed, you'll get mozilla
[09:57] <edd> crazy default
[09:57] <Mithrandir> there you have the reason, then.
[09:57] <pitti> ugh - will these 3px small fonts be fixed on ubuntulinux.org?
[09:59] <mdz> sabdfl: should we change the www.ubuntulinux.org/download/ content to reflect the fact that we're witholding the live CD for now?
[09:59] <sabdfl> mdz: yes, i'll ask Lu to do so
[10:01] <pitti> sabdfl: I spotted several glitches on the websites (canonical.com/ubuntulinux.org). Who can I bother this with?
[10:06] <silbs> pitti: it's a work progress so don't get too worried. But we would still like to know what you have seen. Please put it all in an email to Lulu.
[10:06] <pitti> silbs: okay, thanks.
[10:06] <Mithrandir> Kamion: applying the menu names patch after mime types makes it fail
[10:09] <Kamion> Mithrandir: wheeeeee
[10:09] <Mithrandir> how nice, the patch step removes all .rejs
[10:10] <Mithrandir> and it claims a patch failed, which I have _no idea_ how would fail..
[10:10] <HrdwrBoB> why do we need to test todays images
[10:10] <HrdwrBoB> I just started rsync
[10:11] <Kamion> HrdwrBoB: because today is our preview release
[10:11] <mdz> why? because it's fun
[10:11] <mdz> oh, that too
[10:11] <Kamion> HrdwrBoB: and today's images are very close to what we'll be releasing as our first offering to the world
[10:12] <Kamion> which reminds me, about to start a new CD build anyway to pick up the new base-config, which needs testing
[10:12] <Kamion> sorry for the inconvenience
[10:12] <HrdwrBoB> ah
[10:17] <Mithrandir> Kamion: ah, the desktop-mime stuff adds some shit to writer.desktop.. Adding it before might work.
[10:17] <Mithrandir> testing that.
[10:20] <Mithrandir> debian/rules clean for OOO takes more time than a full build of most of my packages..
[10:23] <carlos> hm
[10:23] <carlos> fabbione: if you want the driver I could send you it I didn't saw it's 2MB long... (I sent it to the mailing list, but I asked to discard it)
[10:24] <fabbione> carlos: thanks, can you put it on chinstrap?
[10:25] <carlos> yes
[10:25] <fabbione> carlos: or anywhere on the web that i can grab it?
[10:28] <Mithrandir> ok, patch applies at least, now.
[10:28] <Mithrandir> mdz: should I just upload OOO when I've verified that the fix is correct?
[10:29] <mdz> Mithrandir: no, the change can wait until after preview
[10:29] <Mithrandir> ok
[10:29] <carlos> fabbione: you have it  at /home/carlos 
[10:31] <fabbione> carlos: thanks
[10:32] <fabbione> i will wait a bit to make it public
[10:32] <fabbione> i think i have a much better patch on the way
[10:32] <fabbione> that is way less introsuive
[10:32] <fabbione> (and it's able to build the full debs ;))
[10:32] <Mithrandir> yay, somebody rocks.
[10:32] <Mithrandir> the weather applet did at least choose the right country now.
[10:32] <Mithrandir> :)
[10:32] <carlos> ok, tell me if you want I recompile it :-)
[10:33] <fabbione> carlos: thanks.. i will let you know and it is going to be easier this time :-)
[10:33] <carlos> it was also easy last time :-P
[10:33] <fabbione> this will be 2 commands instead of 20 :-)
[10:33] <carlos> :-P
[10:38] <HrdwrBoB> Kamion: so when are we expecting this new CD image?
[10:39] <fabbione> HrdwrBoB: which CD? ;)
[10:39] <fabbione> there is no CD :P
[10:39] <fabbione> oh that was s/CD/cabal :P
[10:40] <HrdwrBoB> I don't understand.. you're regular expression isn't terminated
[10:40] <khalek> HrdwrBoB: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog/PreviewReleaseDayZero
[10:43] <HrdwrBoB> crap
[10:43] <HrdwrBoB> I just trashed my 40% complete rsync
[10:44] <Mithrandir> HrdwrBoB: that's why you should run rsync with --partial
[10:44] <HrdwrBoB> Mithrandir: I am NOW
[10:44] <HrdwrBoB> but it doesn't help me from before
[10:44] <HrdwrBoB> I'm also running with --bwlimit so it doesn't eat my connection :)
[10:52] <sivang> morning!
[10:52] <sivang> am I late yet? :)
[10:54] <pitti> sivang: morning
[10:54] <fabbione> Kamion: is it already on archive?
[10:54] <sivang> morning pitti
[10:55] <Kamion> fabbione: yes
[10:55] <fabbione> Kamion: cool..
[10:55] <sivang> pitti : a new daily?
[10:55] <pitti> sivang: yes, new daily, but the final CD is late
[10:55] <jdub> hi guys
[10:55] <pitti> jdub: hi!
[10:55] <jdub> you're now live on screen at the SLUG Debian SIG release party
[10:55] <sivang> hey jdub!
[10:55] <carlos> rburton: were you able to use your iPod with ubuntu?
[10:55] <Kamion> hello pub
[10:56] <jdub> so you might not want to say things like PANTS and COCKFOSTERS
[10:56] <sivang> hahahaha
[10:56] <pitti> sivang: one reason is certainly that there are still two blocker bugs open
[10:56] <sivang> pitti : numbers?
[10:56] <rburton> carlos: only if its in when i boot
[10:56] <pitti> thom: do you know when the final CD build is really due? I'm asking because of #1203
[10:56] <pitti> sivang: #1203, 1238
[10:56] <carlos> rburton: did you tested the usb issue I told you?
[10:56] <rburton> COCKFOSTERS
[10:57] <rburton> carlos: yes, that makes it work again. silly thing :)
[10:57] <sivang> Kamion : around?
[10:57] <carlos> ok, I'm not alone with that bug then!!!
[10:57] <rburton> carlos: did you file it?
[10:57] <mdz> Kamion: is your mirror out of date?
[10:58] <carlos> rburton: not yet, I don't know where should I file it (debian, kernel.org...)
[10:58] <whiprush_> carlos: hey that happened to me also.
[10:58] <mdz> I'm testing 0915.1 and it's still downloading tcl8.0, gs, gs-gpl from the network
[10:58] <rburton> carlos: be lazy: ubuntu for now and let people forward it on :)
[10:58] <carlos> and I don't have time to debug it
[10:58] <Kamion> mdz: I'm encountering that; I don't think it has anything to do with mirror outdatedness, though
[10:58] <carlos> rburton: X-)
[10:58] <Kamion> sivang: yes
[10:59] <mdz> pitti: 1203 is taken care of
[10:59] <carlos> whiprush_: welcomed to the club :-D
[10:59] <whiprush_> firewire or usb connection?
[10:59] <sivang> Kamion : i vi'd /etc/apt/sources.list , that's why install hung up
[10:59] <sivang> Kamion : on the other tty
[10:59] <mdz> pitti: absolute final CD build will be at approximately 1400
[10:59] <mdz> UTC
[10:59] <pitti> ah, thanks
[10:59] <carlos> whiprush_: firewire
[11:00] <Kamion> sivang: let us release first, please :-)
[11:01] <sivang> Kamion : ofcourse :)
[11:01] <mdz> Kamion: other than the download weirdness, .1 looks good
[11:01] <elmo_mf> mdz: ping, Bugs: override, or does it not matter anymore?
[11:01] <mdz> elmo_mf: um, yes
[11:02] <jdub> okay everyone
[11:02] <jdub> say hi to the SLUG Debian SIG :-)
[11:02] <mdz> hello Mr. SLUG
[11:02] <HrdwrBoB> hi!
[11:02] <whiprush_> hello SLUGs!
[11:02] <sivang> HELLO FROM ISRAEL!
[11:03] <rburton> GOOD MORNING COLONY^WSLUG
[11:04] <khalek> speaking of fosters are people familiar with the beneath a steel sky story?
[11:04] <Mithrandir> hi SDS
[11:04] <elmo_mf> mdz: where _to_ then?  you guys were going over several different options...
[11:04] <khalek> the lead character is called foster and they have a part of the intro where a beer label is held up when he is named, fosters threatened legal action so the label was changed to SS IPM (RAW)
[11:05] <khalek> never noticed what that meant until it was pointed out to me
[11:05] <whiprush> jdub: take a pic of the group please!
[11:05] <mdz> elmo_mf: sounder@lists
[11:05] <mdz> elmo_mf: I thought I was explicit in #1080
[11:05] <hypatia> hello slug
[11:05] <mdz> elmo_mf: or whatever sounder@lists is getting renamed to
[11:05] <mdz> jdub was making some noise about ubuntu-users
[11:06] <mdz> sounder is just fine with me for the time being
[11:06] <elmo_mf> ok
[11:07] <daniels> hello fascists!
[11:07] <daniels> mdz: ping
[11:08] <jdub> ok
[11:08] <jdub> so it seems like time to start the talk :)
[11:08] <mdz> daniels: I was just talking in the channel a minute ago
[11:09] <mdz> daniels: is there something I can do for you?
[11:10] <Kamion> mdz: it's not that tcl8.0, gs, gs-gpl are out of date on little
[11:10] <mdz> Kamion: yes, I was just noting that
[11:10] <Kamion> mdz: they're not on the CD at all, and shouldn't need to be, but aptitude wants to install them for some reason
[11:10] <Kamion> purging them after the install works
[11:11] <mdz> Kamion: hmmm
[11:11] <mdz> Kamion: gs is in universe?!
[11:12] <daniels> elmo_mf: jeff says you are a wanker, but still loves you
[11:12] <mdz> Kamion: oh, we're using gs-esp
[11:12] <mdz> Kamion: germinate bug, perhaps?
[11:13] <mdz> Kamion: several packages depend on gs, and gs-esp provides gs
[11:13] <Kamion> mdz: germinate's fine; looks like aptitude is wanting to install the first package in a |-ed list
[11:13] <mdz> hmm
[11:13] <Kamion> well, I infer that germinate is fine from the fact that I can purge those extra packages without difficulty
[11:13] <mdz> now that bit is not going to get fixed for preview
[11:14] <Kamion> gs isn't in universe ...
[11:14] <Kamion> we can force tcl8.0,gs,gs-gpl onto the CD for preview as a workaround, I suppose
[11:14] <mdz>         gs |     7.07-1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Sources
[11:15] <mdz> lftp archive.ubuntu.com:/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gs> ls
[11:15] <mdz> drwxr-xr-x  --  ..                   
[11:15] <mdz> -rw-r--r--         2.0M  2004-07-27 00:39  gs_7.07-1.diff.gz
[11:15] <mdz> -rw-r--r--          643  2004-07-27 00:39  gs_7.07-1.dsc
[11:15] <mdz> -rw-r--r--         4.7M  2004-07-27 00:39  gs_7.07.orig.tar.gz
[11:15] <mdz> the source package is in universe
[11:16] <Kamion> mdz: gs in main comes from the gs-gpl source
[11:16] <Kamion> mdz: you may vomit now
[11:17] <elmo_mf> daniels: WTF?
[11:17] <Kamion> I'll try an install with network updates switched off to see if aptitude's happy then
[11:18] <Mithrandir> I guess we don't have an "ubuntu-policy" package yet?
[11:18] <daniels> elmo_mf: jeff just paid you out to debsig
[11:18] <daniels> and scott, but he's not here
[11:18] <elmo_mf> "paid me out" ?
[11:19] <fabbione> daniels: tell jeff that we want to see pics of him doing the ubuntu dance with X variant
[11:19] <hypatia> "made fun of you"
[11:19] <fabbione> daniels: otherwise better for him not to show up at the next meeting :P
[11:19] <daniels> fabbione: heh :)
[11:19] <daniels> elmo_mf: gave you crap
[11:19] <fabbione> daniels: nv driver is rocking. i am slimming down the patch
[11:20] <fabbione> daniels: and doing a decent integration right now
[11:21] <mdz> daniels: kindly inform jeff that elmo does not deserve any crap right now
[11:21] <rburton> fabbione: what is so great about this new nv driver i should test?
[11:22] <fabbione> rburton: that it should work.
[11:22] <fabbione> rburton: the one that is around seems to have a few problems with some video cards
[11:22] <rburton> ah
[11:22] <fabbione> so either we revert back to an old one
[11:22] <fabbione> or we try something better
[11:23] <elmo_mf> mdz: dude, I'm at Mark's, that so not possible :P
[11:23] <fabbione> i guess we all agree on the latter solution
[11:23] <voice_of_lulu> can someone please create a favicon of the ubuntu logo please?
[11:23] <sabdfl> wow. i've never seen a half-pint beating up a wall-penetrating giant before
[11:24] <mdz> elmo_mf: ok, any _supplementary_ crap :-P
[11:24] <voice_of_lulu> [I assume, you can find a copy of it in ubuntu-artwork..] 
[11:24] <mdz> voice_of_lulu: which one?
[11:24] <elmo_mf> mdz: the circle with arms?
[11:24] <mdz> elmo_mf: ha ha ha
[11:24] <lulu> elmo:  ;) 
[11:25] <mdz> daniels: tell jeff I take it all back
[11:25] <mdz> seb128: welcome back :-)
[11:25] <daniels> fabbione: awesome, well done
[11:25] <seb128> hey mdz 
[11:25] <seb128> hello everybody
[11:25] <mdz> lulu: there are several variations in ubuntu-artwork; which one do you have in mind?
[11:25] <carlos> seb128: hey !
[11:25] <seb128> hey carlos :)
[11:26] <pitti> seb128: Good morning! Woke up again after the gnome 2.8 battle? :-)
[11:26] <mdz> seb128: I encountered a bug while you were away
[11:27] <seb128> pitti: yeah :)
[11:27] <mdz> filed in bugzilla
[11:27] <sabdfl> seb128: superb work last night
[11:27] <seb128> sabdfl: thanks
[11:28] <lulu> mdz: we just need the little icon part of the ubuntu logo
[11:28] <lulu> mdz: thanks :o)
[11:28] <seb128> mdz: 1238 ?
[11:28] <elmo_mf> the one in /usr/share/pixmaps/splash/human-5xx-xx.png
[11:28] <mdz> seb128: the big red one :-)
[11:28] <elmo_mf> for example
[11:28] <daniels> 'isn't python a little constrictive?'
[11:28] <seb128> mdz: that's a dup of 1110
[11:28] <nessy> pia waves hello to everyone :)
[11:29] <nessy> bdale, hugs! <-- from pia
[11:29] <daniels> if he's sensible, he's asleep
[11:29] <elmo_mf> mdz: (btw, the plan in asking on the channel was to stop Mark from doing it - if you end up doing it, it's sort of counter-productive :)
[11:29] <sabdfl> nessy: hiya
[11:29] <seb128> mdz: if you could provide the details asked in 1110. Which version of gconf2 is installed ?
[11:30] <sabdfl> seb128: what format are the app icons in?
[11:30] <seb128> mdz: apparently my gconf2 patch had a problem, I've fixed it in the 2.8 upload
[11:30] <mdz> seb128: this happens on a fresh Warty install
[11:30] <seb128> sabdfl: png most of the time
[11:30] <sabdfl> we definitely want the ubuntu logo (people-circle) as the icon at the top left for the Applications menu
[11:30] <sabdfl> seb128: size?
[11:30] <sabdfl> seb128: svg ok?
[11:31] <seb128> sabdfl: let me check
[11:31] <seb128> mdz: fresh install already has gconf 2.8 ?
[11:32] <mdz> seb128: everything current from the warty archive
[11:32] <mdz> ii  gconf2         2.8.0-0ubuntu1 GNOME configuration database system. (daemon
[11:32] <seb128> ok
[11:32] <mdz> seb128: I sent gconf output to the bug
[11:33] <mdz> seb128: it was wrong only for https before, but now that I have reinstalled, both http and https are epiphany
[11:33] <seb128> sabdfl: the icon is a 48x48 png file, I've not tested with a svg one, but it should work
[11:33] <fabbione> thom: ETA for info on 1218?
[11:34] <mdz> seb128: /etc/gconf/schemas/desktop_gnome_url_handlers.schemas:      <default>epiphany %s</default>
[11:34] <mdz> seb128: that is the default for /schemas/desktop/gnome/url-handlers/https/command
[11:34] <seb128> mdz: yes, just seen that, that's a bug
[11:35] <seb128> mdz: but the http one should be ok
[11:35] <mdz> seb128: yes, but it isn't :-/
[11:35] <seb128> mdz: what's in the schema for the http one ?
[11:35] <mdz> mdz@potpal ~ $ gnome-open http://www.google.com/
[11:35] <mdz> Error showing url: There was an error launching the default action command associated with this location.
[11:35] <mdz>       <key>/schemas/desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command</key>
[11:35] <mdz>       <applyto>/desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command</applyto>
[11:35] <mdz>       <owner>gnome</owner>
[11:35] <mdz>       <type>string</type>
[11:35] <mdz>       <default>mozilla-firefox %s</default>
[11:36] <mdz> seb128: however, Desktop Preferences->Preferred Applications says my Default Web Browser is epiphany
[11:37] <mdz> seb128: there is also this: ./gconf.xml.defaults/schemas/desktop/gnome/url-handlers/https/%gconf.xml:                        <stringvalue>epiphany %s</stringvalue>
[11:37] <seb128> hum
[11:37] <seb128> yes, the https one is broken, I'll fix it now
[11:37] <mdz> it is in two places; I do not know whether they come from the same place
[11:37] <mdz> one in /etc/gconf/schemas, one in /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/schemas
[11:38] <seb128> the .schemas value are placed in gconf.xml.defaults during the package installation (in the postinst)
[11:39] <seb128> and you have custom values in ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/
[11:39] <seb128> you've tried with a fresh user ?
[11:39] <mdz> I reinstalled this system from scratch about 30 minutes ago
[11:40] <mdz> but I can add a new user if it would help
[11:40] <seb128> if you start the prefered app dialog the user settings are written and that overwrittes the system ones
[11:40] <seb128> so the "gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http" doesn't return the system default anymore
[11:40] <seb128> yes please
[11:41] <mdz> seb128: ok, on a fresh user http is correct
[11:41] <mdz> and only https is wrong
[11:41] <seb128> yes, I know the problem for https
[11:41] <mdz> it is possible that I had opened the preferred applications dialog to check
[11:42] <seb128> I'll upload in ~10min
[11:42] <mdz> thanks
[11:48] <fabbione> mdz: netinstall from today... gdm hasn't been installed
[11:49] <Kamion> fabbione: did base-config work properly in general?
[11:49] <fabbione> yeah it looks like
[11:49] <fabbione> it gave me the usual : "Welcome blabla.. installation completed"
[11:49] <Kamion> and was other stuff in desktop installed?
[11:49] <fabbione> it's just not there
[11:49] <fabbione> xserver was
[11:50] <Kamion> fabbione: well, no, I mean archive.ubuntu.com/security.ubuntu.com handling
[11:50] <fabbione> oh yes
[11:50] <fabbione> that was correct
[11:51] <seb128> mdz: gnome-vfs 2.8.0-0ubuntu2 with firefox as default for https too uploaded
[11:52] <mdz> seb128: thanks
[11:52] <mdz> fabbione: grep gdm /var/log/base-config.log?
[11:52] <Kamion> and 'aptitude -y install ~tubuntu-desktop'
[11:52] <mdz> fabbione: apt-cache show gdm | grep Task
[11:53] <Kamion> current CD install gets it right
[11:53] <mdz> yes
[11:54] <fabbione> mdz: the grep shows that the package has been downloaded
[11:54] <mdz> fabbione: but never unpacked? very strange!
[11:54] <fabbione> Kamion: aptitude starts to install another big bunch of packages
[11:54] <fabbione> ok..
[11:54] <mdz> fabbione: there were no failures from aptitude?
[11:54] <fabbione> mdz: nope
[11:55] <mdz> fabbione: send me a copy of your base-config.log please
[11:55] <fabbione> mdz: task ubuntu-desktop
[11:55] <fabbione> mdz: ok
[11:55] <daniels> pitti: how do we choose which uid to mount dynamic devices under?
[11:56] <lifeless> pitti: arround ?
[11:56] <lifeless> oh bah .. /
[11:56] <pitti> daniels: the uid that calls the pmount program
[11:56] <AndyFitz> yay telstra finally upgraded my line to ADSL
[11:56] <pitti> daniels: i. e. the user that is logged in
[11:56] <pitti> lifeless: yes
[11:56] <lifeless> pitti: was the same question
[11:56] <pitti> lifeless, daniels: is something wrong with this?
[11:57] <AndyFitz> now im updating everything from sounders cd8 with synaptic
[11:57] <daniels> not really :) someone just asked jeff what happened while he was in the middle of a presentation
[11:57] <daniels> AndyFitz: oh, they finally provisioned it
[11:57] <sivang> daniels : jeff is doing presentation right now? so the party concludes the event? 
[11:58] <daniels> the presentation is being done in a boardroom at a pub
[11:58] <daniels> draw your own conclusions :)
[11:58] <fabbione> mdz: mail on the way
[11:58] <AndyFitz> telstra and iinet have never agreed   ive been waiting 6 weeks 
[11:59] <AndyFitz> a friend of mine was told he couldnt have adsl in a certain area by iinets telstra database .   then he rang telstra and they said its all good to go.. i think the ISP took it to the  ACCC 
[11:59] <sivang> daniels : hah
[12:00] <khalek> daniels: you're up in sydney currently?
[12:00] <daniels> khalek: yah
[12:00] <daniels> AndyFitz: yow
[12:01] <khalek> daniels: so are jdub and friends coming down for the luv presentation?
[12:01] <nessy> .nick greebo
[12:01] <daniels> yep!
[12:01] <greebo> rah!
[12:01] <daniels> nessy: 'twas a great photo as well :)
[12:01] <daniels> greebo: RA
[12:01] <greebo> daniels, kazzah!
[12:01] <fabbione> mdz: i am trying again with my local mirror.. just to be a bit faster
[12:02] <mdz> fabbione: as Kamion asked, does it help to run aptitude -y install '~tubuntu-desktop' now?
[12:02] <fabbione> mdz: but apparently everything was o
[12:02] <daniels> khalek: fifth of october
[12:02] <fabbione> mdz: yes.. it does..
[12:02] <mdz> fabbione: does it install anything other than gdm?
[12:02] <AndyFitz> slug is much more mature than humbug .
[12:02] <khalek> daniels: cool shame you couldn't arrange to have the final done for then :)
[12:02] <daniels> heh, ah well
[12:03] <fabbione> mdz: it installed some stuff, when i executed again aptitude with task ubuntu-desktop it was asking to download another bunch of packages
[12:06] <AndyFitz> 85 of 200 packages downloaded here .  its going at an awesome speed.  where is the apt server based ?
[12:06] <Kamion> mdz: so, fresh install from CD without taking updates from the network doesn't install tcl8.0,gs,gs-gpl and doesn't object to their absence
[12:06] <Kamion> AndyFitz: archive.ubuntu.com's in the UK
[12:06] <Kamion> mdz: uncommenting those sources.list entries and doing update/upgrade seems fine too
[12:07] <Kamion> mdz: I conclude that aptitude is mad and we should not worry about it for preview
[12:08] <mdz> Kamion: agreed
[12:11] <carlos> seb128: I'm not able to regenerate the .pot file from the ubuntu's gnome-applets package. did you have any problem about it when preparing the package for ubuntu?
[12:13] <rburton> seb128: has gnome-cups-manager in ubuntu been behaving itself? i need to upgrade the one in sid
[12:14] <seb128> carlos: no, what's the problem ?
[12:15] <carlos> missing files inside the POFILES.in
[12:15] <seb128> rburton: there is a problem with gksudo we have noticed some days ago, the current testing version already uses gksudo ?
[12:15] <seb128> carlos: which ones ?
[12:15] <carlos> config.status: executing default-2 commands
[12:15] <carlos> can't open ./../gkb-new/GNOME_KeyboardApplet_Factory.server.in.in: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/intltool-extract line 200.
[12:15] <carlos> can't open ./../gkb-new/descs.sun/presets.xml.in: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/intltool-extract line 200.
[12:15] <carlos> /usr/bin/xgettext: error while opening "gkb-new/GNOME_KeyboardApplet_Factory.server.in.in.h" for reading: No such file or directory
[12:16] <carlos> ERROR: xgettext failed to generate PO template file. Please consult
[12:16] <seb128> rburton: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1142
[12:17] <seb128> carlos: what do you do to get this ?
[12:17] <carlos> seb128: it's possible that the binary build does not raise the error, but cannot understand how could that pass make dist-check to release the tar.gz...
[12:18] <carlos> ./debian/rules common-configure-arch && cd po && intltool-update -P && cd ..
[12:18] <carlos> I'm trying to get all new strings from debian && ubuntu patchs to feed our rosetta installation
[12:19] <carlos> and I need to regenerate the .pot files
[12:20] <carlos> seb128: don't worry about it, I only asked because It's funny to think that a package was relased that way
[12:20] <carlos> or I'm doing something wrong
[12:20] <seb128> perhaps the file is in the CVS and in the tarball but deleted in a clean target or something
[12:20] <thom> fabbione: assuming 1218 is the apache bug, 1300UTC
[12:21] <seb128> hey thom 
[12:22] <thom> fabbione: if it's X, then no, not unless nick's update the bug
[12:22] <thom> (sorry, was just grabbing an hour's sleep)
[12:22] <thom> hey seb
[12:23] <sabdfl> Kamion: just testing the latest cd build and i have a network issue
[12:25] <mdz> sabdfl: a machine where it previously worked?
[12:26] <sabdfl> mdz: it's a laptop with eth0 (wire) and eth1 (built-in ip2100)
[12:26] <sabdfl> and i'd also been using a pcmcia aero card
[12:27] <sabdfl> post-install, the ip2100 was working just fine, so I removed the pcmcia and tried to install this morning's cd
[12:27] <sabdfl> and it is not detecting the ip2100
[12:28] <sabdfl> are we using the exact same kernel / modules / hotplug / firmware / restricted-modules for installer and post-install?
[12:28] <mdz> no
[12:29] <mdz> the ipw2100 will not be detected by d-i
[12:29] <mdz> d-i has only a skeleton hotplug system which doesn't do much besides PCMCIA
[12:29] <mdz> and the ipw2[12] 00 modules aren't included in any udebs as far as I know
[12:30] <mdz> nor is the firmware
[12:30] <mdz> the modules aren't available, the firmware isn't available, and even if they were, hotplug firmware loading doesn't quite work in d-i yet, and discover doesn't know which driver to load
[12:30] <mdz> but it works nicely after install :-)
[12:33] <mdz> I think we can probably get it working for final
[12:33] <mdz> (in the installer)
[12:34] <fabbione> thom: it's X :-)
[12:37] <fabbione> mdz: that's weird.. if i install from my local mirror it works fine
[12:37] <fabbione> i will start another netinstall from archive and see
[12:37] <mdz> fabbione: is it possible that a download failed or something?
[12:37] <fabbione> mdz: i did check.. nothing in the logs
[12:38] <fabbione> it will take a little while to install from archive.. but they are in perfect sync
[12:39] <mdz> zero preview-critical bugs remain!  great work, guys!
[12:42] <mdz> has anyone made that favicon for lulu?
[12:42] <pitti> Congratulations guys, zero critical/blocker bugs left :-)
[12:42] <Kamion> sabdfl: well, I was away running installs for a while there, but what mdz said
[12:43] <jdub> mdz: how are we going?
[12:43] <jdub> NO RED BUGS@
[12:43] <mdz> jdub: zero blockers
[12:43] <jdub> DUDES!
[12:44] <mdz> jdub: we even found some new ones and fixed those
[12:44] <jdub> heh
[12:44] <jdub> rad
[12:44] <jdub> presentation is going well here
[12:44] <jdub> lots of interest
[12:44] <elmo_mf> more people than sblug? :-)
[12:44] <sabdfl> Kamion: ok, is that entirely out of scope for warty-final?
[12:45] <Kamion> sabdfl: don't think so, it should be a relatively small set of changes without too much risk to non-ipw2[12] 00 systems
[12:45] <Kamion> gotta have something to do between preview and final ... ;-)
[12:45] <mdz> if we want it enough to prioritize it, we can have it for final without much risk I tihnk
[12:45] <mdz> think
[12:45] <elmo_mf> kamion: yeah, I reckon we'll be bored
[12:46] <mdz> you guys are too funny
[12:47] <cef> so did it work?
[12:48] <mdz> Kamion: fixed gnome-vfs2 is built all around
[12:48] <mdz> Kamion: shall we roll a new CD?
[12:48] <mdz> one more should last us until 1400
[12:50] <mdz> and maybe we can close our eyes for an hour
[12:51] <Kamion> mdz: coming up
[12:53] <daniels> there are absolute craploads of peopler here
[12:53] <daniels> it's far overflowed the room
[12:53] <mdz> here too
[12:53] <mdz> 66 people in the channel :-)
[12:54] <daniels> HrdwrBoB: don't forget to come to luv
[12:54] <lulu> jdub: hiya! Please could you send your content through to me. cheers :o)
[12:55] <HrdwrBoB> ooh musn't forget
[12:55] <HrdwrBoB> mustn't
[12:55] <HrdwrBoB> it's an irritating walk from here >:|
[12:55] <lulu> jdub: if there are any gaps, let me know.
[12:55] <khalek> heh
[12:57] <sabdfl> Kamion: ok, restarted install with aero pcmcia, everything's slick, well done!
[12:58] <sabdfl> one question, it asked me for a wep key even though none is required?
[12:59] <mdz> thom: ping?
[12:59] <mdz> sabdfl: there's no magic in there yet to try without one and fall back
[01:00] <mdz> it tries with no config, but if it has to ask for essid, it asks for wep as well
[01:00] <sabdfl> hmm... i have an essid, but no wep key. it doesn't ask me for essid.
[01:01] <Kamion> sabdfl: yeah, netcfg is capable of trying with no essid, seeing if it works, and only asking if it doesn't
[01:02] <Kamion> sabdfl: unfortunately as far as I can tell it's not capable of doing that with the WEP key, so we have to ask
[01:02] <Kamion> there was some discussion on sounder@, justdave posted an installation report about the confusion that results if your network requires a WEP key but the question isn't asked
[01:03] <mdz> neither of my wireless cards are supported by the installer, so I haven't tried it myself
[01:03] <Kamion> I'd rather fix netcfg so that it can speculatively try an empty WEP key, longer-term, but time pressure etc. ...
[01:04] <daniels> mdz: you should check ndiswrapper out ;)
[01:05] <Kamion> new images, please test ...
[01:05] <Kamion> contain newer openoffice.org on powerpc (few changes actually) and fixed gnome-vfs12
[01:05] <Kamion> gnome-vfs2
[01:05] <mdz> rsyncing
[01:05] <sabdfl> rsyncing
[01:07] <sabdfl> in fact, iwtools tell you if the network has WEP enabled, so it should be possible to do this *without* speculatively trying an empty wep key
[01:08] <Kamion> sabdfl: if that's accessible from iwlib, then it should be doable
[01:08] <thom> mdz: ack
[01:08] <Kamion> I'll have a look then, thanks
[01:10] <sabdfl> in my ideal world, selecting a wifi card (or having only a wifi card) results in:
[01:11] <sabdfl> oh never mind i'll file a bug for hoary :-)
[01:11] <cef> heh
[01:11] <Kamion> I suspect I fully agree with you, just couldn't see a better approach at the time
[01:11] <Kamion> wifi cards should be zero-question-configurable in general
[01:12] <fabbione> daniels: yeppa... the patch is much smaller now!
[01:12] <cef> just beware that any detection for WEP may also detect WPA/WPA2 as WEP (as the WEP detection may simply see the 'encrypted' flag in the 802.11 header)
[01:14] <Kamion> remind me how I unmount a CD-ROM from nautilus
[01:14] <Kamion> ?
[01:14] <sabdfl> justdave: around?
[01:14] <sivang> * couldn't continue using LVM
[01:14] <elmo_mf> kamion: right click, and eject? :)
[01:14] <Kamion> elmo_mf: don't want to eject, want to burn
[01:14] <sivang> * grub got boinked after too many tried to make the LVM install
[01:15] <mdz> it's about 6am in justdave-land, I think he's typically in bed
[01:15] <elmo_mf> kamion: oh, eek, does d-i know/care about Origin/Bugs ?
[01:15] <elmo_mf> (fields in Packages files)
[01:15] <Kamion> elmo_mf: uh. dunno
[01:15] <mdz> Kamion: Computer->Disks->right-click->unmount
[01:15] <Kamion> elmo_mf: might be a good idea not to change that Packages file at this point
[01:15] <elmo_mf> kamion: aww ;-)
[01:15] <justdave> I'm up at the moment
[01:16] <Kamion> mdz: no unmount entry on the right-click menu
[01:16] <mdz> Kamion: really? works for me
[01:16] <mdz> Kamion: pumount /dev/foo should work at any rate
[01:16] <sivang> finally i had to erase all discussed partitions and restart fresh as at some point  i couldn't set mount points 
[01:16] <cef> and if you use WPA/WPA2 you then start looking at things like EAP/802.1x, and then which EAP type the network uses (PEAP, TLS, TTLS, MD5, MSCHAPv2, LEAP or SIM), and figure out the remaining details
[01:16] <Kamion> mdz: I have 'Eject', not unmount
[01:17] <justdave> last time I looked, the airport driver didn't have network scanning available yet
[01:17] <justdave> (card supports it, the driver doesn't read it yet)
[01:18] <justdave> so there's no way to tell what networks are even available short of telling it to try "any" and seeing what it finds (which it won't if they all require WEP)
[01:18] <cef> fun fun fun.
[01:19] <rburton> $ pmount /dev/hdc
[01:19] <rburton> Error: device /dev/hdc is not removable
[01:19] <rburton> hdc is my dvd writer
[01:19] <elmo_mf> W: DB was corrupted, file renamed to /srv/ftp.no-name-yet.com/database/packages-powerpc.db.old
[01:19] <pitti> rburton: yep, currently you need CD drives in fstab
[01:19] <rburton> ah
[01:20] <cef> other issue with 802.1x of course is needing a supplicant to do all the auth, and afaik, it needs to do stuff to interfaces, so may need root
[01:20] <pitti> rburton: this is our current policy, no non-fstab IDE devices
[01:20] <sabdfl> justdave: how do you plan to use the "Version" field in bugzilla.ubuntu.com? if not, can we disappear it for the moment?
[01:20] <justdave> I think we were intending to use it for warty vs hoary at some point
[01:21] <justdave> both that and the milestones
[01:21] <sabdfl> Kamion: #1242, ignore till you think it's the right time to improve the wifi-install
[01:21] <sabdfl> justdave: we'll have malone definitely for hoary, so can we disable it?
[01:21] <rburton> rock, dvd burning worked
[01:22] <justdave> people will be running code from the hoary repository in just over a month
[01:22] <justdave> and there's bugs in the system now that mdz wants to be able to identify as being pushed out to hoary
[01:23] <justdave> the latter would only involve milestone though
[01:23] <pitti> rburton: great, the automounting did not interfere? (#1234)
[01:23] <mdz> I don't think version is useful in warty presently
[01:24] <rburton> pitti: this dvd was unformatted or something
[01:25] <justdave> ok, let's consider it gone then.
[01:25] <mdz> it would not interefere if it was in fstab
[01:25] <jdub> http://people.no-name-yet.com/~jdub/ubuntu-1-2-3/
[01:25] <mdz> I do my burning in a USB drive, so it gets unhappy (#1234)
[01:25] <jdub> ^ ubuntu release party presentation
[01:26] <Keybuk> we have a people server?
[01:26] <mdz> jdub: dude, firefox 1.0 doesn't even exist yet :-)
[01:27] <jdub> mdz: we'll have it for final :)
[01:27] <pitti> mdz: but fstab user devices are happily mounted automatically, too
[01:27] <mdz> pitti: oh? hmm
[01:27] <pitti> Keybuk: not really, chinstrap.warthogs, people, wegiveback, all the same
[01:28] <jdub> pitti: the demonstration of project utopia + pmount stuff went really well :-)
[01:28] <pitti> mdz: yes, I tried to burn a CD yesterday (IDE in fstab), did not work
[01:28] <pitti> mdz: hal does not care if a device is in fstab
[01:28] <elmo_mf> keybuk: people discovered they could use the wildcard domain and open access policy of rookery to create one
[01:28] <mdz> pitti: it is a shame; we have two nice features which do not play together
[01:28] <Keybuk> heh
[01:28] <pitti> mdz: I agree. I'm currently working on an updated pmount
[01:28] <elmo_mf> err, yes you do
[01:29] <sivang> nice presentation!
[01:29] <elmo_mf> it's open to everyone in  'warthogs'
[01:29] <Keybuk> elmo: it asks me for a Password:
[01:29] <tsblack> 'lo all.
[01:29] <pitti> mdz: what do you think about the strategy I described in #1234?
[01:29] <elmo_mf> keybuk: are you using the nc -q0 trick ?
[01:30] <Keybuk> yeah
[01:30] <tsblack> Been out of the loop for a while, any reason why apt updates are crawling along at a few bytes/s while rsync seems to get full bandwidth (from my side at last).
[01:30] <elmo_mf> tsblack: broken proxy between you and the website?
[01:31] <cef> ok, I need food. btw: if we have wireless config questions later (eg: for hoary) to build a config tool.. feel free to ask - over 1/3 of my job is as a wireless security expert *sigh*
[01:31] <tsblack> From my side at least.
[01:31] <tsblack> No, we don't have a proxy.
[01:31] <Kamion> what does file-roller use to open ISO images?
[01:32] <Kamion> whatever it is, it isn't in warty
[01:32] <elmo_mf> tsblack: hmm, well, it works here, I can max out Mark's 2Mb link
[01:33] <elmo_mf> is it broken for anyone else?
[01:33] <mdz> pitti: let's look at it tomorrow :-)
[01:33] <mdz> pitti: can you test the current daily?
[01:33] <pitti> mdz: okay. I think you severely need some sleep
[01:33] <pitti> mdz: I can do
[01:34] <mdz> please do
[01:34] <tsblack> elmo_mf: Thanks, just wondered whether it was pinched your side for some or other reason.
[01:34] <tsblack> Do ftp sources work too?
[01:34] <elmo_mf> tsblack: yep, do now
[01:34] <pitti> Argh, what's wrong here? I get a 403 on http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage
[01:35] <pitti> I just wanted to suck the newest iso
[01:35] <elmo_mf> pitti: blink, you do?
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> You don't have permission to access /cdimage on this server.
[01:35] <pitti> elmo_mf: probably
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
[01:35] <elmo_mf> crap
[01:35] <elmo_mf> pitti: use cdimage.ubuntu.com for now, I'll go fix it
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> I'm still using n-n-y :)
[01:35] <pitti> elmo_mf: thanks a lot. Too little sleep
[01:37] <pitti> HrdwrBoB: does it still work for you? I get a 403 there as well
[01:37] <pitti> cdimage.ubuntu.com does not support rsync
[01:38] <Kamion> pitti: it does, just start at /cdimage/
[01:38] <Kamion> pitti: rsync doesn't do virtual hosting
[01:38] <pitti> Kamion: ah, thanks a lot! This helped
[01:39] <sivang> is universe in sources is now warty-universe?
[01:39] <fabbione> mdz: this time the installation went fine from archive...
[01:40] <fabbione> mdz: perhaps it was only a lunar ray hitting the console cable during a solar eclypse
[01:40] <mdz> Kamion: two weird things happened on powerpc just now
[01:40] <mdz> Kamion: archive-copier's progress bar was confused, and it ejected the CD
[01:43] <Kamion> mdz: the progress bar's capped at about 75% at the moment; it's a bug, I know where it is
[01:43] <Kamion> mdz: the CD eject is deliberate
[01:43] <Kamion> (didn't you approve that change? or was it jdub?)
[01:43] <mdz> I thought I recalled you deliberately fixed it not to eject
[01:43] <Kamion> we don't need the CD in the second stage any more, so might as well eject it while it's easy to do so
[01:44] <mdz> but whatever, it's harmless
[01:44] <Kamion> that was pre-archive-copier
[01:44] <mdz> ah, right
[01:44] <Kamion> I reverted that recently
[01:44] <mdz> powerpc was the one place where shipseed was actually useful
[01:44] <mdz> because the CD was still around when I went to install openssh-server
[01:44] <mdz> anyway, amd64 install was successful
[01:44] <mdz> powerpc is still in progress
[01:45] <Kamion> the progress bar thing is because archive-copier is sizing the progress bar to match all the debs, but only copying (and updating the progress bar for) some of them
[01:45] <Kamion> you can always stick the CD back in :-) we should implement that "shipseed as apt repository on hard disk" thing, though
[01:45] <Kamion> I didn't have time to do that pre-preview
[01:46] <lulu> seb128: thanks for the favicons :o)
[01:46] <mdz> Kamion: it takes ~1 second to fetch openssh-server from archive.u.c
[01:46] <Kamion> heh
[01:46] <mdz> Kamion: compared to 30 seconds or so to get the CD and insert it
[01:46] <mdz> it's still a win even if I have to edit sources.list to comment out the CD and then install via http
[01:47] <Kamion> I'll work on that once today's saga is over
[01:52] <justdave> hmm, I still get that /dev/pmu error when I log into gnome
[01:53] <justdave> "Permissions on the file /dev/pmu are broken"
[01:54] <Kamion> yeah, me too
[01:54] <Kamion> excellent, sound works out of the box on my powerbook now
[01:54] <justdave> trying to play music in Rhythmbox tells me "OSS device "/dev/dsp" is already in use by another program."
[01:55] <Kamion> is mozilla open? IIRC it sometimes grabs that ...
[01:55] <elmo_mf> kamion: you hax0red d-i ?
[01:55] <Kamion> elmo_mf: hm?
[01:55] <elmo_mf> hw-detect, rather
[01:55] <justdave> No.
[01:55] <Kamion> elmo_mf: I was thinking more of the unmuting
[01:55] <justdave> just finished rebooting, logged in, ran Rhythmbox first thing
[01:55] <elmo_mf> kamion: oh, I meant the hotplug vs. snd-powermac thing
[01:56] <Kamion> elmo_mf: I did do stuff related to that in hw-detect a week or two ago, yeah
[01:56] <tsblack> elmo_pf: thanks for the help, switched to ftp and have bandwidth again, must be some screwy http proxy en route to SA.
[01:57] <elmo_mf> tsblack: cool
[01:57] <elmo_mf> kamion: hmm? I mentioned it only two nights ago.. got the impression it was something you were going to have to do in the future
[01:58] <rburton> has anyone built non-free nvidia deb for ubuntu?
[01:58] <mdz> powerpc successful
[01:59] <mdz> rburton: it's apt-gettable by default
[01:59] <mdz> rburton: apt-cache search nvidia
[02:00] <rburton> doesn't appear
[02:00] <Kamion> elmo_mf: don't think so, unless I'm confused about what you're talking about
[02:00] <thom> rburton: if your install isn't recent, you need to add 'restricted' to your apt sources
[02:00] <rburton> aaaha
[02:00] <rburton> thom: thanks
[02:01] <elmo_mf> kamion: on my powerbook (installed a while ago), hotplug doesn't auto-modprobe snd-powermac, I mentioned this and mdz suggested we (err, you) hack hw-detect to check for apple type computers and ensure snd-powermac is in /etc/modules
[02:01] <mdz> 0405->0458
[02:01] <mdz> 53 minutes for rsync+burn+test for 2 architectures
[02:02] <Kamion> elmo_mf: that's pretty much what I did to hw-detect, except that I applied a slightly smaller hammer
[02:02] <mdz> would have been less if I'd done powerpc first; it's much slower
[02:02] <thom> right, X40 tftpboot time
[02:02] <Kamion> ddetect (1.03ubuntu1) warty; urgency=low
[02:02] <Kamion>   * Merge from Debian to get mac-io detection improvements.
[02:02] <Kamion>  -- Colin Watson <cjwatson@canonical.com>  Thu,  2 Sep 2004 14:51:54 +0100
[02:03] <Kamion> it actually does detect the need for snd-powermac specifically rather than just apple
[02:03] <elmo_mf> kamion: ok.. cool, thanks
[02:03] <elmo_mf> right, Origin +Bugs loved archive push coming up
[02:03] <Kamion> elmo_mf: (of course it'd be better if hotplug could walk the mac-io bus; project for a rainy day for somebody ...)
[02:04] <Kamion> or even discover, at a pinch
[02:04] <mjg59> How many hours to release?
[02:04] <Kamion> three
[02:04] <thom> Kamion: thought it was 1400 UTC?
[02:04] <daniels> no
[02:04] <daniels> 1500 UTC
[02:05] <thom> arh
[02:05] <mjg59> That's Gnome, isn't it?
[02:05] <thom> fuck today is too confusing
[02:05] <justdave> lsof|grep dsp tells me that /dev/dsp is currently owned by esd
[02:05] <mdz> pitti: how did your test go?
[02:05] <mjg59> jdub: "Head beekeeper"?
[02:05] <mdz> has anyone tested the current daily on i386, I hope?
[02:05] <Kamion> GNOME is 1300 UTC
[02:06] <Kamion> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fPreviewReleaseDayZero
[02:06] <Kamion> mdz: just installing it now
[02:06] <fabbione> mdz: i am on it right now
[02:06] <pitti> mdz: rsync is at 68%
[02:06] <Kamion> in the middle of second-stage packages
[02:06] <fabbione> Kamion: rock!
[02:06] <pitti> mdz: I can get no more than 60 kB/s
[02:06] <mdz> when we roll the final one, I'll do all three
[02:06] <hypatia> thom: take today off?
[02:06] <thom> checking swap space, ever so slowly
[02:06] <mdz> hypatia: don't give him ideas
[02:06] <thom> hypatia: tempting, but perhaps not
[02:06] <Kamion> some day I shall have to look into what it's actually doing there
[02:06] <elmo_mf> how the heck are these evil favicon things meant to work?
[02:07] <elmo_mf> do you need to do anything beyond putting them in the place the client expects them?
[02:07] <mdz> elmo_mf: nopeo
[02:07] <thom> you slap em in your docroot, called favicon.ico or whatever, and they work
[02:07] <mdz> elmo_mf: the first time the browser hits a site, it'll look for it
[02:07] <elmo_mf> hmm, well does cdimage.ubuntu.com have one for anyone?
[02:07] <lamont> morning
[02:07] <elmo_mf> or archive.ubuntu.com for that matter\
[02:07] <mdz> or if it's IE, I think it just checks every single time for good measure
[02:07] <mdz> cdimage does for me
[02:07] <mdz> also archive
[02:07] <mdz> both work
[02:08] <seb128> lulu: you're welcome
[02:08] <elmo_mf> ok, cool, thanks.. now to hide the silly thing from the dir listing
[02:10] <seb128> jdub: gnome guys are going to release a gnome-terminal 2.8 ?
[02:11] <justdave> ok, unchecked the "allow sound server startup" in the gnome sound prefs
[02:11] <justdave> now rhythmbox claims to work, except I can't hear anything
[02:11] <fabbione> daniels: you around?
[02:12] <thom> hrm. when netbooting, it helps to turn the dhcp server off when you try to boot the second stage
[02:12] <thom> else you kinda loop :P
[02:13] <fabbione> thom: no... just fix the bios :-)
[02:13] <thom> Setting up LVM Volume Groups spews "No Volume groups found" thrice on boot
[02:13] <fabbione> on my box you can select auto-net-booting or not
[02:13] <thom> fabbione: if i did that, i would have changed the bios about 10 times yesterday
[02:13] <cef> favicons & IE: every version of IE does it differently.. but the main way to fix it: delete any bookmarks that point to the site, clear the internet cache, exit IE and restart
[02:14] <fabbione> thom: why? i can still push f12 and boot via network
[02:14] <thom> invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server stop is quicker :-)
[02:14] <fabbione> tsk :-)
[02:14] <fabbione> it involves more keyboard hits :-)
[02:14] <fabbione> than just one button at boot time :)
[02:15] <cef> that assumes you can hit it at boot
[02:15] <fabbione> cef: that's true.. but i love to tease thom ;)
[02:16] <fabbione> he looks so much like a nice teddy :P
[02:16] <thom> fabbione: shouldn't you be making nvidia magically work
[02:16] <thom> :P
[02:16] <cef> fabbione: heh.. but where's the sport? it's so easy! *grin*
[02:16] <hypatia> i think that should be on thom's business card
[02:16] <fabbione> thom: i am.. i am doing the last build right now
[02:16] <sivang> thom : i didn't even gat pass the d-i lvm setup :)
[02:16] <sivang> thom : so guess you had better luck
[02:16] <fabbione> thom: i committed 587K of stuff already.. i doubt list masters will like it :)
[02:17] <thom> fabbione: no, no. the non-free module. so i can click my fingers and a computer miles away will just work
[02:17] <thom> hypatia: "corporate teddy bear"?
[02:18] <fabbione> thom: yeah.. one at a time :-) first the free driver 
[02:19] <mdz> fabbione, thom, Kamion: i386 success?
[02:19] <fabbione> mdz: it is still going
[02:20] <fabbione> mdz: it's not really on the fastest box in the world
[02:20] <mjg59> thom: You know you can just hit F11 on boot and choose the boot device you want?
[02:20] <Kamion> mdz: works for me
[02:20] <cef> fabbione: so what was for lunch today?
[02:21] <fabbione> cef: hehe nothing special today
[02:21] <fabbione> cef: just a couple of sandwich
[02:22] <cef> fabbione: heh.. I'll stick to the japanese I just ate
[02:22] <fabbione> cef: oh yeah... everything is better than what i had today :-)
[02:22] <Kamion> the "Bug Report Tool" .desktop entry seems to DTRT
[02:22] <mdz> yep
[02:22] <Kamion> barring insane amounts of whining about the certificate
[02:22] <mdz> now it does, with the gnome-vfs2 fix
[02:23] <mdz> ah, the sound of cron.daily
[02:23] <daniels> fabbione: sup
[02:23] <mdz> next comes the sunrise
[02:23] <fabbione> daniels: the driver works fine. i am doing the last build and i will upload on people
[02:23] <cef> mdz: heh.. have the birds started yet?
[02:23] <fabbione> daniels: i already committed to XSF
[02:24] <fabbione> daniels: the previous driver was really borked
[02:24] <thom> mjg59: yeah, but that still takes longer than stopping the dhcp server :-)
[02:24] <mdz> cef: what's a bird?  :-)
[02:24] <mdz> the only animals around here are the kind with collars and name tags
[02:25] <cef> mdz: heh
[02:26] <mdz> I sure hope Origin and Bugs don't cause any unexpected changes in the 20 or so levels of installer and packaging system they touch :-P
[02:26] <elmo_mf> they're not in the d-i packages
[02:26] <elmo_mf> and if random new fields break things, we deserve to get broken
[02:26] <elmo_mf> but I can take them out if you want, *shrug*
[02:27] <Kamion> I don't *think* they'll break anna but I just didn't want to risk it three hours before a release
[02:27] <thom> mdz: scrollkeepering currrently
[02:27] <mdz> thom: verrrry good
[02:27] <elmo_mf> kamion: that was me being stupid, they were never going near d-i, the d-i stanza in apt.conf doesn't have an ExtraOverride entry
[02:27] <Kamion> elmo_mf: ah, fair enough
[02:28] <mdz> elmo_mf: as long as you'll be awake to rip it out if something happens, I'm happy to leave it in
[02:28] <mdz> Debian will thank us for not sending them bug reports
[02:28] <fabbione> houston to apollo13: i386 is ready to GO.
[02:28] <elmo_mf> mdz: I had my 3 hours sleep, I'm good
[02:28] <fabbione> all checks give green lights
[02:29] <Kamion> yep, all looks good to go here
[02:29] <thom> mdz: looks good to me
[02:29] <thom> mdz: i have gnome
[02:29] <Kamion> although I did manage to confuse hal by plugging in my digital camera, but I'm not going to worry *too* much about that right now
[02:30] <tseng> hal seems easily confused by my usb key as well
[02:30] <Kamion> I fixed one hal segfault when it encountered bizarre stuff in sysfs; it's certainly possible there are others
[02:30] <elmo_mf> kamion: it's all right, it only runs as root
[02:31] <Kamion> elmo_mf: oh, never mind then, nothing can go wrong
[02:31] <mdz> elmo_mf: ?
[02:31] <Kamion> actually doesn't it run as hal?
[02:31] <mdz> elmo_mf: it hasn't run as root for weeks
[02:32] <daniels> elmo_mf: !!!!
[02:32] <mdz>  -- Martin Pitt <mpitt@debian.org>  Sat, 14 Aug 2004 09:40:16 +0100
[02:32] <daniels> fabbione: awesome :)
[02:32] <daniels> elmo_mf: (or thom) - the canonical wiki is broken
[02:32] <elmo_mf> oh, I read one of pitti's reports saying it pretty much had to run as root, ages ago.. I guess that changed :)
[02:32] <mdz> elmo_mf: do you actually _run_ warty? :-P
[02:32] <daniels> elmo_mf: http://www.warthogs.hbd.com -> 403
[02:32] <elmo_mf> daniels: cool
[02:32] <mdz> there's actually delightfully little that runs as root in a base warty install
[02:32] <elmo_mf> wrong chan, but cool
[02:32] <thom> daniels: yep, that's sposed to be
[02:33] <elmo_mf> mdz: nah, it's lame, I'm an OS X man now
[02:33] <pitti> elmo_mf: this was only true to execute this infamous fstab-mangling script
[02:33] <Kamion> running as root, I have init, kernel threads, udevd, syslogd, klogd, inetd, cardmgr, dhclient, postfix/master, mdadm, cron, gettys, apmd (?), pbbuttonsd, powernowd, gdm, X
[02:33] <daniels> er, yeah
[02:33] <pitti> elmo_mf: pmount does a better job now
[02:34] <mdz> Kamion: inetd should go away for hoary, likewise for mdadm (where you don't have raid devices)
[02:34] <mdz> syslogd and klogd can be de-privilege-ified for hoary
[02:34] <mdz> maybe dhclient if we get ambitious
[02:35] <Kamion> and on the i386 box drop apmd/pbbuttonsd/powernowd and replace with acpid, plus a random gconfd-2 that's hanging around for some scary reason
[02:36] <Kamion> mdz: we could just put mdadm in Ship and d-i would sort out installing it at the right times with no effort at all
[02:36] <mdz> I think gconfd-2 is gdm's fault
[02:36] <sabdfl> is dhclient running as root and listening on the net?
[02:36] <mdz> it occasionally starts up a random famd as root too
[02:36] <mdz> sabdfl: in an arm-twisting sort of way
[02:36] <tseng> thought of swapping in gamin next time?
[02:36] <mdz> tseng: yes
[02:36] <tseng> :)
[02:36] <thom> tseng: it's on the list, was too broken for warty
[02:36] <pitti> sabdfl: yes, unfortunately
[02:36] <tseng> ah.
[02:37] <mdz> let's say it listens, but it doesn't pay attention
[02:37] <pitti> sabdfl: it has to run scripts in /etc/dhclient/somewhere as root
[02:37] <sabdfl> ok, can we schedule a really hard code review before release?
[02:37] <mdz> we can
[02:37] <pitti> sabdfl, mdz: for dhclient we could also implement a suid wrapper around the script
[02:37] <Kamion> does it have to listen on INADDR_ANY?
[02:37] <mdz> but that particular bit of code is doing the same thing on a huge number of machines, and has been for years
[02:38] <mdz> Kamion: it used to, because of the particulars of Linux networking without an IP address
[02:38] <sabdfl> ok
[02:38] <mdz> I'm not sure whether that is still true
[02:38] <Kamion> it's listening on 0.0.0.0:* here
[02:38] <cef> something that could be at least more useful with dhclient is telling it to listen to only the server it got the lease from
[02:38] <mdz> I mean, it used to be necessary for it to listen on INADDR_ANY
[02:38] <Kamion> ah
[02:38] <mdz> but I'm not sure whether it's still necessary with 2.4, 2.6, etc.
[02:39] <cef> it has to at initial negotiation time
[02:39] <pitti> ah, my ISO is finally burnt
[02:39] <pitti> off to testing the recent daily
[02:40] <cef> but after you know where the lease came from, you probably could just listen on that interface to the server's IP.. hrm
[02:41] <pitti> I have to disconnect for a while
[02:42] <mdz> it doesn't necessarily have to bind at all
[02:42] <mdz> on several platforms it uses a raw socket and encodes/decodes UDP itself
[02:42] <sabdfl> it sounds like it just requires careful analysis of code. is the version we are shipping nice and old and stable, or relatively new?
[02:43] <mdz> it's a few months old
[02:43] <mdz> that particular release candidate
[02:43] <cef> true, but why do that when the IP stack will do it for you? also then you can hopefully sleep till a packet that is just for your process comes in and can wake you up
[02:43] <mdz> there were vulnerabilities in earlier versions; we wouldn't want them
[02:43] <elmo_mf> dhcp3 itself is quire old tho
[02:43] <mdz> yes
[02:43] <mdz> the 3.x series is 2 years old
[02:44] <Kamion> mdz: encoding/decoding UDP yourself sounds like asking for trouble
[02:44] <mdz> maybe more
[02:44] <mdz> Kamion: agreed
[02:44] <mdz> my point was that it doesn't have to bind
[02:45] <mdz> huh, there were 3.x betas in Dec 1999
[02:46] <mdz> the world needs a better dhcp client, though
[02:46] <mdz> a nice python one
[02:46] <mdz> with none of these awful scripts
[02:46] <cef> add in supplicant support while you're at it
[02:46] <mdz> or layer upon layer of compatibility cruft for broken unixes
[02:47] <dieman> cef: i'll second that
[02:47] <dieman> *yawn*
[02:47] <spiv> mdz: There's a python dhcp server, so I guess it could be built on that...
[02:47] <dieman> my guess is that mdz never went ot sleep
[02:47] <dieman> to
[02:47] <lamont> dieman: I see no evidence in scrollback to refute your assertion.
[02:47] <cef> dieman: he types about dhcp in his sleep
[02:48] <Kamion> doesn't everybody?
[02:48] <lamont> Kamion: only in my nightmares.
[02:48] <cef> Kamion: not me.. I talk about wireless
[02:48] <mdz> once you keep yourself awake past the time when you feel sleepy out of habit, it gets easier 
[02:48] <mdz> up until about the 24 hour mark, from personal experience
[02:49] <Kamion> it kicks in again around 36
[02:49] <mdz> I have stayed up for 24 many times, but 36 only a very few
[02:49] <dieman> yeah
[02:49] <mdz> and they are all bad memories
[02:49] <thom> 36 is much less fun
[02:49] <dieman> i did 48 once
[02:49] <dieman> ick
[02:49] <Kamion> the rain in front of your eyes around 40 is rather fun
[02:49] <dieman> yeah
[02:50] <dieman> eyes stop working at some point
[02:50] <cef> when you get to 5-6 days in a row regularly, you can get into really weird headspaces
[02:50] <lamont> by 40, I'm ready to do strange things...
[02:50] <lamont> it's a wierd mindset you develop...
[02:50] <Kamion> cef: yow
[02:50] <lamont> cef: street grade meth is scary though.
[02:51] <mdz> was going to say...
[02:51] <cef> Kamion: friend of mine did this for about a year and a half..  the 'biblical' sleeping pattern. work for 6 days, and then sleep on the 7th
[02:51] <mdz> 5-6 days, great, but you'll feel like hell when the drugs run out
[02:52] <cef> then again, he's turn up at work on monday, grab a big bowl of cereal, and put it under the coffee machine and fill it to the brim
[02:52] <thom> yikes
[02:53] <cef> me? I'll stick to drinking it by the cup thanks
[02:53] <dieman> ok
[02:53] <dieman> i need to hit the shower
[02:53] <dieman> so i can make it to work before 9.
[02:53] <cef> dieman: what'd it do to you?
[02:53] <mjg59> I'd forgotten how insane the Speedtouch USB modems looked
[02:54] <cef> I should get some sleep.. gotta be at work by 7am *sigh*
[02:54] <rburton> like a splatted jellyfish
[02:55] <mjg59> I paid a quid for this one, which isn't bad
[02:55] <mjg59> Hurray for ebay
[02:56] <mdz> people will buy anything :-P
[02:56] <rburton> i had one of those, it was totally bust. appeared to turn on, load firmware etc but wouldn't sync to the adsl
[03:00] <lamont> 2.. 2 hours.
[03:01] <sivang> 2 hours to release :)
[03:01] <daniels> needspeedneedspeed
[03:01] <sivang> daniels : drug are bad for you
[03:02] <lamont> adult ADD treatment is, um, interesting.
[03:04] <pitti> mdz: still here?
[03:04] <pitti> I assume that the gs-gpl-is-not-on-cd issue is already dealt with?
[03:04] <mdz> pitti: yes
[03:05] <mdz> pitti: if by 'dealt with' you mean 'ignored for purposes of the preview', yes :-)
[03:05] <pitti> mdz: I tried installation without archive copier
[03:05] <pitti> mdz: base-config cannot find a cd and the cd was locked
[03:05] <pitti> mdz: I had to manually call eject, put it back in, then it worked
[03:05] <pitti> no RC issue, however
[03:06] <lamont> pitti: ppc, or i386?
[03:06] <pitti> i386
[03:06] <pitti> I'm busy at my ppc 
[03:06] <lamont> default is archive copier, yes?
[03:06] <pitti> lamont: yes
[03:06] <pitti> lamont: but it SUCKS
[03:06] <pitti> lamont: that's why I disabled it
[03:07] <mdz> it does not suck, it is lovely
[03:07] <pitti> lamont: also, I wanted to test it
[03:07] <lamont> testing good
[03:07] <pitti> mdz: it steals 15 minutes of d-i time, wastes space on hd, slows down my hd (because the head has to go back and forth)
[03:08] <pitti> mdz: unpacking them straight from CD-ROM should be considerably faster (wrt overall install time)
[03:08] <pitti> mdz: and indeed it is
[03:08] <mdz> 15 minutes??
[03:08] <Kamion> I admit that I generally test with archive-copier/copy=false, because of the first-mentioned point
[03:08] <mdz> the entire install takes only ~20 minutes for me
[03:08] <pitti> HAH
[03:08] <pitti> mdz: it takes about 15 minutes just to copy the bloody packages to my hd
[03:08] <Kamion> I honestly think that an extra question would be a worthwhile investment given the inordinate length of time it takes
[03:09] <pitti> mdz: on my Duron 1.3, 256 RAM, 40x CD-ROM, total install lasts about 35 minutes
[03:09] <Kamion> (the question's implemented already, it would just need its priority raised)
[03:09] <mdz> we should just make it faster
[03:09] <pitti> however, don't worry about that for the preview
[03:09] <Kamion> mdz: feel free ...
[03:09] <pitti> we should not break it now, but it is worth considering for the final release
[03:09] <Kamion> mdz: although, yes, a find at the start would help, but there's only so fast it can go
[03:10] <lamont> we could just dd the CD and then lofs mount it...  Then the heads would go sequentially across the CD... :-)
[03:11] <Kamion> we need to reboot lamont's brain, guys
[03:12] <pitti> Kamion: there are still some untranslated d-i questions; I translated the German ones yesterday, will they make it at least to final in Oct?
[03:12] <Kamion> pitti: yes, I'll process that lot after preview
[03:13] <pitti> Kamion. Okay. Most of the common stuff is translated, so it's not too ugly
[03:16] <Kamion> bottom right corner of the screen
[03:16] <sivang> Kamion : yeah, well, guess i missed that on the mailing list
[03:17] <sivang> why is it not on desktop anymore? how clean can the desktop yet get? :)
[03:26] <thom> mdz: whenever you like with apache2 then :-)
[03:27] <mdz> thom: you giving up? :-P
[03:27] <mdz> oh, it's 1300 UTC
[03:27] <mdz> lamont: ping?
[03:27] <thom> yeah, cvs commits happened a while ago
[03:28] <pdr> hi guys.  i'm trying to update stuff with synaptic.  it downloads everything ok, but gets stuck at the terminal output: "Extracting templates from packages: 9%" which only a ctrl-c gets out of.  is this a known bug?
[03:28] <Kamion> so ... theoretically, we have a GNOME release by now, don't we?
[03:28] <Kamion> pdr: never encountered that one ...
[03:28] <mdz> pdr: nope
[03:29] <pdr> it's a different percent it gets to every time too
[03:29] <pdr> but it never gets to 100%.
[03:29] <Kamion> does updating with apt-get or aptitude work?
[03:29] <pitti> fabbione: I still get a wrong default X resolution
[03:29] <mdz> pitti: noooo
[03:29] <jdub> Kamion: about four minutes ago
[03:29] <jdub> http://www.gnome.org/start/2.8/
[03:30] <mdz> jdub: how is the pub holding out?
[03:30] <pdr> Kamion: will check
[03:30] <pitti> fabbione: xresprobe reports just 1280x960 (and lower), although my TFT has 1280x1024
[03:30] <mdz> jdub: everyone staying up for the preview release?
[03:30] <pitti> fabbione: can I debug this any further?
[03:30] <sivang> Kanmion : not to touch 20040915.-5 ?
[03:30] <mdz> pitti: XRESPROBE_DEBUG=yes
[03:30] <pitti> sivang: this is a stone-aged version
[03:30] <Kamion> jdub: aha
[03:30] <pitti> mdz: thanks, will try
[03:30] <Kamion> jdub: I made the mistake of believing the front page :)
[03:31] <daniels> pitti: is it a laptop or a desktop lcd?
[03:31] <pitti> mdz, fabbione: does not tell much more; says ddc: yes, and prints out everything twice
[03:31] <pitti> daniels: desktop
[03:31] <pdr> Kamion: nup, apt-get dist-upgrade hangs at the same place.
[03:31] <pitti> it says 'laptop: ;'
[03:31] <mdz> pitti: and leaves behind a directory in /tmp
[03:31] <mdz> pitti: with logfiles
[03:32] <pitti> maybe my monitor really reports wrong values
[03:32] <pitti> mdz: cannot find one
[03:32] <mdz> pitti: which X driver?
[03:32] <pitti> nv
[03:32] <mdz> pitti: /tmp/xprobe.*
[03:32] <pitti> mdz: nope
[03:33] <Kamion> pdr: big hammer time: strace -f -o /tmp/apt.trace -s 1024 apt-get dist-upgrade, mail me /tmp/apt.trace
[03:33] <mdz> pitti: you are certain you have the current version?
[03:33] <Kamion> (cjwatson@canonical.com)
[03:33] <pitti> mdz: the one from the latest iso
[03:33] <Kamion> might want to bzip2 the trace :)
[03:33] <jdub> mdz: lots of people gone home - it's a school night ;-)
[03:33] <pitti> mdz: 0.4.6
[03:33] <mdz> pitti: I have never succeeded it getting it to not rm -rf, but I thought it was fixed now
[03:33] <pdr> Kamion: seems to be a debconf problem actually.  I got:
[03:34] <pdr> Need to get 0B/232MB of archives.
[03:34] <pdr> After unpacking 12.0MB of additional disk space will be used.
[03:34] <pdr> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] 
[03:34] <pdr> Extracting templates from packages: 9%
[03:34] <pdr> Extracting templates from packages: 14%debconf: apt-extracttemplates failed: Bad file descriptor
[03:34] <mdz> pitti: /usr/share/xresprobe/xprobe.sh nv
[03:34] <pdr> and now it's working with the following: debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
[03:34] <daniels> pitti: please send me the full output of ddcprobe
[03:34] <Kamion> pdr: you don't still have base-config running in another window or something?
[03:34] <mdz> daniels: it's a laptop
[03:34] <pitti> mdz: that helped
[03:35] <mdz> pitti: you have the logs now?
[03:35] <pitti> mdz: yes, I have
[03:35] <mdz> pitti: send them to daniels
[03:35] <daniels> mdz: i was just told it was a desktop
[03:35] <daniels> mdz: pick one
[03:35] <mdz> wha?
[03:35] <mdz> well believe pitti I guess
[03:35] <pitti> mdz: this is a desktop, yes
[03:36] <pitti> I know
[03:36] <pdr> Kamion: doesn't look like it, no
[03:38] <mdz> it sounds like debconf is being run recursively or something
[03:38] <AndyFitz> hey what line to i put in sources.list for  totem codec improvements
[03:38] <mdz> AndyFitz: universe
[03:38] <lamont> mdz:ack
[03:38] <mdz> and install totem-xine
[03:38] <mdz> lamont: elmo uploaded apache for us
[03:38] <pdr> hmm.. after a bit of manual killing of apt-extracttemplates processes, it seems to be all ok now
[03:38] <fabbione> pitti: sorry.. i was washing the dishes..
[03:38] <lamont> mdz: I see.
[03:39] <fabbione> pitti: please file a bug to xresprobe.
[03:39] <pitti> fabbione: no problem
[03:39] <fabbione> pitti: and provide daniels with all the logs and so on
[03:39] <pitti> fabbione: I don't know, maybe its also a bug in my monitor
[03:39] <fabbione> pitti: we agreed that if xresprobe doesn't detect correctly the values, is not X fault :-)
[03:39] <pitti> fabbione: will do
[03:39] <lamont> mdz: as in just recently?
[03:39] <mdz> lamont: yes
[03:40] <fabbione> pitti: on the otherside X has no way to know that xresprobe results are correct
[03:40] <mdz> lamont: moments ago
[03:40] <lamont> ok
[03:40] <fabbione> pitti: thanks :-)
[03:40] <mdz> why is it that the galaxy screensaver seems to come up about 90% of the time?
[03:41] <elmo_mf> maybe xscreensaver uses the same poor RNG as xmms
[03:41] <pdr> Kamion, mdz: thanks for the pointers - i'll look into it and get back if it keeps on like this
[03:42] <sivang> mdz : hw_radom succeds loading only when detecting a RNG on the system?
[03:42] <mjg59> Yes
[03:42] <mjg59> Intel removed it from later devices without changing the PCI ids, which is a pain
[03:43] <elmo_mf> Kamion: ?
[03:44] <sivang> mjg59 : that's bad. no real random generation..
[03:44] <mjg59> Yes
[03:45] <Kamion> elmo_mf: yep?
[03:46] <elmo_mf> kamion: did you do the cdimage restructure?  or is that post-preview?
[03:46] <elmo_mf> err, or I could look and see you did, nm
[03:47] <Kamion> elmo_mf: I've created /releases/4.10/preview/, mdz moved aside some other things
[03:47] <Kamion> the release will go in /releases/4.10/preview/install/ I think to leave room for the live CD
[03:47] <elmo_mf> are we going to have a 'stable' symlink?  cdimage or the archive?
[03:47] <elmo_mf> kamikon: ok
[03:47] <Kamion> there's a 'warty' symlink; if people think a 'stable' symlink is a good idea, can do
[03:48] <elmo_mf> mdz: ?
[03:48] <fabbione> well it's a preview... let's put the stable link after
[03:48] <mdz> sec
[03:48] <Kamion> hm, which of warty and 4.10 should be the symlink?
[03:48] <Kamion> warty might be the better way round actually
[03:48] <Kamion> sorry, warty as the real directory and 4.10 the symlink
[03:48] <pitti> daniels: I sent all the debugging stuff to you
[03:51] <mdz> not much point in a stable symlink at this point
[03:51] <mdz> maybe we'll do one for final
[03:51] <mdz> if we decide to actually put stable in sources.list
[03:51] <mdz> it's currently warty, so very little point
[03:51] <elmo_mf> ok
[03:52] <mdz> Kamion: I'd be tempted to drop /install/ for the preview, since there isn't a live CD
[03:52] <lamont> mdz: see your other window
[03:52] <mdz> one fewer level to have to dig into
[03:52] <mdz> lamont: see yours
[03:52] <Kamion> mdz: fine by me
[03:53] <mdz> Kamion: it is increasingly unlikely that we will have anything approaching a live CD corresponding to this release
[03:53] <mdz> maybe for a later candidate
[03:53] <elmo_mf> mdz: might be good to keep the dirs consistent tho
[03:53] <elmo_mf> remember moving .iso's around sucks for mirrors
[03:53] <mdz> it's fine with me if the preview stays special
[03:54] <elmo_mf> ok
[03:54] <Kamion> ok, I've made warty the real directory and 4.10 the symlink
[03:55] <sabdfl> we'll have a livecd for the final release, not preview
[03:59] <mdz> Kamion: all clear to build the next (and hopefully last) CD
[04:00] <mdz> the last-minute stuff is in
[04:00] <thom> Kamion: let me know when it's done so i can kick the bit torrent stuffs
[04:00] <Kamion> thom: will do
[04:00] <thom> grazi
[04:02] <lamont> mdz: accepted != in-Packages...
[04:02] <Kamion> yeah, we were just establishing that in query :)
[04:02] <lamont> which is to say, Kamion may want to wait a few more seconds...
[04:02] <Kamion> aye
[04:02] <Kamion> I have the list of packages to check for
[04:03] <mdz> gah, I asked the wrong question
[04:03] <elmo_mf> oh, bugger
[04:03] <lamont> Kamion: once the fat lady sings, er, shows up, ...
[04:03] <mdz> I meant to ask "is everything in-Packages", but I asked "is everything accepted"
[04:03] <elmo_mf> I should probably s/Unreleased/Preview Release/ shouldn't I?
[04:03] <mdz> context?
[04:03] <Kamion> good plan
[04:03] <Kamion> Release file
[04:03] <mdz> ah
[04:05] <elmo_mf> rerunning
[04:05] <mdz> gah, the planes have started taking off at Burbank
[04:06] <lamont> elmo_mf: about how long until auckland is up-to-date, I wonder?
[04:06] <fabbione> hey azeem 
[04:06] <azeem> ciao fabbione 
[04:06] <elmo_mf> lamont: it's done now
[04:07] <Kamion> working
[04:07] <elmo_mf> Ben!!!
[04:07] <mdz> dist-upgrading
[04:07] <lamont> gotta love fast lans
[04:07] <azeem> Bert!!!
[04:07] <Kamion> gotta love in-jokes ;)
[04:07] <thom> elmo_mf: hey, he admits it now ;-)
[04:07] <Kamion> yow, anonftpsync's taking its time
[04:08] <rburton> has jdub given into the beer?
[04:09] <azeem> he's busy fixing the GNOME homepage to get rid of all those 2.6 references I guess
[04:09] <mdz> good idea
[04:12] <fabbione> mdz: you should keep an eye on the load of the server :-)=
[04:12] <fabbione> just for curiosity ;)
[04:12] <mdz>  15:12:37 up 38 days,  1:20,  3 users,  load average: 1.31, 0.76, 0.31
[04:12] <fabbione> ehm.. i meant netload
[04:12] <sivang> anyone tested sound on an sblive? i've got 2 entris on the gnome mixer, the sigmatel and "sblive" when i work on the sblive tab, it's halts sound completly
[04:13] <fabbione> once people will start downloading
[04:13] <sivang> which one should be the dominating?
[04:13] <fabbione> sivang: i will check next time i boot up the "DVD player" :)
[04:13] <fabbione> sivang: but iirc the first one
[04:14] <sivang> sivang : hahah, naah i am just checking cd playing
[04:14] <mdz> Kamion: for future optimization, powerpc should build first :-)
[04:14] <sivang> fabbione : works neat out of the box, but the sound preset is bad
[04:14] <lamont> LOL
[04:14] <mdz> because it takes longest to install (for me anyway), and so I want to start its download first
[04:14] <lamont> ppc: a "special" architecture. :-)
[04:14] <mdz> sivang: if it is not silent, then it is good
[04:15] <sivang> mdz : well it's not. and the dsp thingy god fixed notime :)
[04:16] <jdub> home now
[04:16] <fabbione> sivang: my "DVD player" is a linux box with sblive, dual head, tv out and all the nice stuff :-)))
[04:16] <fabbione> sivang: but it's turned off right now
[04:16] <sivang> sivang : cooool
[04:16] <sivang> sivang : my machine is the same (over a D865PERL intel mobo) however nvidia geforce2
[04:17] <pitti> fabbione: testing his IRC client?
[04:17] <fabbione> i use a nvidia Geforce 4 or something...
[04:17] <fabbione> i can't remember
[04:17] <mdz> rsyncing
[04:17] <fabbione>  nVidia Corporation NV25 [GeForce4 Ti 4600]  (rev a3)
[04:18] <Kamion> mdz: wouldn't matter anyway, they don't publish to the mirrors until all the architectures have built
[04:18] <fabbione> sivang: Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 04)
[04:18] <sivang> Kamion : i just finished burninig!
[04:18] <Kamion> sivang: the schedule was public
[04:18] <sivang> fabbione : supposed to have low latency and shit, cool hardware
[04:19] <sivang> Kamion : i know, didn't pay attention - my fault :)
[04:19] <daniels> pitti: could you please run sh -x /usr/share/xresprobe/ddcprobe.sh
[04:20] <pitti> daniels: I did
[04:20] <pitti> daniels: shall I mail or send with IRC? (never done this, though)
[04:20] <daniels> pitti: oh, must have missed that, sorry
[04:20] <daniels> pitti: mail is fine
[04:21] <pitti> daniels: daniel@fooishbar.org, right?
[04:21] <daniels> pitti: yep!
[04:22] <pitti> daniels: it's away
[04:22] <daniels> pitti: cheers dude
[04:23] <pitti> daniels: well, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 does the trick, but a fully automatic install would rock :-)
[04:23] <fabbione> ahh
[04:23] <fabbione> njo
[04:23] <fabbione> never mind
[04:23] <pitti> daniels: sorry for the late report, I could not try warty on my desktop untily recently
[04:23] <sivang> pitti : i still had to modprobe nvidia 
[04:23] <pitti> daniels: because it was broken :-(
[04:23] <sivang> pitti : even on 15.2 
[04:23] <fabbione> looks like archive is getting.. hmm slow
[04:23] <pitti> sivang: me too.
[04:24] <daniels> pitti: ahr :\
[04:24] <sivang> pitti : that needs to be added to to pkg postinst script
[04:24] <daniels> sort -n sucks
[04:24] <sivang> pitti : echo "modprobe nvidia" > /etc/modules" ? :)
[04:24] <pitti> fabbione: On my sid system, the ndvidia driver was loaded automatically by hotplug. IIRC the driver package contained a sysfs patch which created a sysfs device for the nvidia card
[04:24] <pitti> sivang: use >> please
[04:25] <sivang> pitti : oopsy 
[04:25] <pitti> fabbione: but on warty I have to load it manually
[04:25] <daniels> when you feed sort -n, 1280x1024@75 1280x960@80, it will output 1280x960@80 1280x1024@75
[04:25] <daniels> sorry
[04:25] <daniels> that's with sort -nr!
[04:25] <pitti> daniels: gar
[04:25] <sabdfl> Kamion: are the colours of the d-i screens customizable? (blue, grey, red, etc)
[04:25] <pitti> daniels: so a little more sed and cut magic?
[04:25] <Kamion> sabdfl: not without evil bogl-bterm hacking IIRC
[04:25] <mdz> daniels: sort -tx
[04:25] <Kamion> been a while since I looked down to that level though
[04:26] <daniels> pitti: what happens if you replace all the calls to sort -nr, in ddcprobe.sh, with sort -nrtx?
[04:26] <pitti> daniels, mdz: but will this really succeed every time?
[04:26] <daniels> mdz: thanks
[04:26] <Kamion> hm, actually I suppose cdebconf must know about the colours
[04:26] <daniels> pitti: i hope so, because we're sol if we need anything mroe
[04:26] <Kamion> but I don't know how that works
[04:26] <sabdfl> Kamion: who would know?
[04:27] <daniels> joeyh?
[04:27] <jordi> daniels: dude these guys down answer me. I'm being ignored!
[04:27] <Kamion> joeyh, Bastian Blank, Denis Barbier, maybe a couple of others
[04:27] <jordi> don't even
[04:27] <thom> jordi: we don't know who you are!
[04:27] <pitti> daniels: I did that, but what should actually change?
[04:28] <pitti> daniels: xresprobe output is still the same
[04:28] <Kamion> oh, Randolph Chung too, if he's still around
[04:28] <pitti> daniels: it still does not contain 1280x1024
[04:28] <daniels> pitti: gah :\
[04:28] <daniels> mdz: ^^
[04:28] <Kamion> 92%, damnit
[04:28] <pitti> daniels: maybe we sould sort for the maximum product of the two numbers
[04:28] <elmo_mf> kamion: he is
[04:28] <daniels> jordi: i dunno, i've not talked to them much, sorry
[04:28] <fabbione> daniels: you need to strip the @ before the sort
[04:28] <daniels> fabbione: no!
[04:28] <daniels> fabbione: actually ... yes
[04:29] <daniels> then it can't contain -u, however
[04:29] <fabbione> Kamion: we will manage :-)
[04:29] <fabbione> Kamion: if someone can kick some bw to auckland
[04:29] <pitti> daniels: wait
[04:29] <dieman> ho hum
[04:29] <daniels> pitti: yeah?
[04:29] <pitti> daniels: I did not replace the sort -unr calls
[04:29] <pitti> daniels: shall I?
[04:29] <jordi> thom: I climb onto hacker's shoulders!
[04:30] <sivang> fabbione : no use to sync?
[04:30] <lamont> daniels: tr '@x' '::' |sort -t: -k1,1nr -k2,2nr -k3,3nr
[04:30] <lamont> sivang: I think he's going straight to the ISO
[04:30] <fabbione> sivang: yes.. but there is a X update.. i am just resyncing the iso
[04:30] <pitti> daniels: I just did, does not help
[04:30] <lamont> and then rsyncing later
[04:31] <fabbione> lamont: exactly :-)
[04:31] <dieman> heh
[04:31] <lamont> 30 kbytes/sec just isn't enough to get there...
[04:31] <dieman> what do you need to do with the iso?
[04:31] <lamont> dieman: boot it. test it.
[04:31] <dieman> heh
[04:31] <lamont> Kamion: they all done building?
[04:32] <dieman> is it in the cdimage dir?
[04:32] <Kamion> lamont: hell yeah
[04:32] <Kamion> dieman: yeah
[04:32] <sivang> mine is finishing in 3 minutes
[04:32] <Kamion> dieman: daily/current/
[04:32] <lamont> Kamion: /me wasn't sure how long the process took...
[04:32] <Kamion> sivang: rsync lies a lot
[04:32] <dieman> how big is the cdimage dir anyhow? i should try rsyncing it
[04:32] <sivang> Kamion : yep. it keeps coming and going
[04:32] <daniels> pitti: does http://fooishbar.org/daniel/xresprobe/ddcprobe.sh work?
[04:33] <daniels> pitti: if you dump that into /usr/share/xresprobe
[04:33] <Kamion> dieman: 30/40-some gig
[04:33] <lamont> sivang: unless you're getting > 200Mbyes/sec, I expect that number will change as rsync discovers blocks it needs to actually transfer
[04:33] <pitti> daniels: 403
[04:33] <dieman> Kamion: yikes
[04:33] <dieman> Kamion: i might just rsync the 'current' dirs
[04:33] <Kamion> dieman: that makes more sense
[04:33] <Kamion> dieman: eventually you'll probably just want to take /releases/
[04:34] <fabbione> there... burning
[04:34] <dieman> will releases be included under ubuntu/?
[04:34] <Kamion> the CD releases will be /cdimage/releases/<whatever>
[04:34] <Kamion> ubuntu/ is just the package archive, equivalent to debian/
[04:34] <daniels> pitti: fixed
[04:34] <pitti> daniels: still 403
[04:34] <dieman> ok
[04:35] <jdub> mdz: how's it going?
[04:35] <mdz> jdub: final testing now
[04:35] <jdub> excellent
[04:35] <mdz> amd64 installing, powerpc burning, i386 waiting
[04:35] <daniels> pitti: ?!?
[04:35] <pitti> daniels: I can't help it; tried it from two different hosts
[04:35] <ximpix> I just tried to connect to wiki.ubuntu.com and got complaints from firefox
[04:36] <pitti> daniels: you can also mail it to me (martin@piware.de)
[04:36] <Kamion> mdz: damnit, you have way more bandwidth than I do
[04:36] <fabbione> mdz: i386 is burning here
[04:36] <elmo_mf> I need to upgrade apache on auckland, one sec
[04:36] <ximpix> (the cert is from www.warthogs.hbd.com). Not what you want to know now, but I don't know who to email this to.
[04:37] <sivang> lamont : maybe something is wrong here, it just finished
[04:37] <sivang> warty-i386-1.iso
[04:37] <sivang>    533874688 100%  668.35kB/s    0:13:00  (1, 100.0% of 1)
[04:37] <sivang> wrote 161869 bytes  read 45569780 bytes  57343.76 bytes/sec
[04:37] <sivang> total size is 533874688  speedup is 11.67
[04:37] <mdz> wrote 173102 bytes  read 75947848 bytes  287791.87 bytes/sec
[04:37] <mdz> total size is 1689617950  speedup is 22.20
[04:37] <Kamion> warty-i386-1.iso?
[04:37] <Kamion> that sounds totally wrong
[04:37] <ximpix> good luck guys, I'm bailing
[04:38] <Kamion> unless that's the name of your local file
[04:38] <sivang> Kamion : my local file
[04:38] <sivang> Kamion : :)
[04:38] <lamont> sivang: shouldn't be that much diff, but X did change....
[04:38] <thom> Kamion: torrent time?
[04:39] <Kamion> thom: oh, damn, yeah, go for it
[04:39] <thom> k
[04:39] <sivang> Kamion : rsync://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/20040915.3/warty-i386.iso  is right?
[04:39] <daniels> [Tue Sep 14 23:32:00 2004]  [notice]  child pid 28407 exit signal Bus error (7)
[04:39] <daniels> [Wed Sep 15 05:02:17 2004]  [notice]  child pid 31115 exit signal Bus error (7)
[04:39] <daniels> [Wed Sep 15 05:29:25 2004]  [info]  server seems busy, (you may need to increase StartServers, or Min/MaxSpareServers), spawning 8 children, there are 4 idle, and 17 total children
[04:39] <daniels> ?!?
[04:39] <daniels> pitti: try that?
[04:39] <Kamion> sivang: use /daily/current/, but yes
[04:40] <Kamion> i386 burning
[04:40] <sivang> Kamion : ok, off to burnung
[04:40] <sivang> burning
[04:40] <pitti> daniels: try what? its still 403 and I don't have mail
[04:41] <daniels> pitti: um, i don't see any requests in my logs
[04:41] <daniels> i'll mail it to you
[04:41] <fabbione> Kamion: booting i386 now
[04:41] <azeem> has canonical hired artists as well, besides hackers?
[04:41] <thom> daniels: what are you getting bus errors on?
[04:41] <alextreme> gday
[04:41] <daniels> thom: i386, go figure
[04:41] <jdub> azeem: contracted, yes.
[04:41] <azeem> sweet
[04:41] <jdub> azeem: current artwork is temporary.
[04:42] <mdz> amd64 at aptitude, i386 and powerpc in stage 1
[04:42] <pitti> daniels: it WORKS!
[04:42] <pitti> # xresprobe nv
[04:42] <pitti> id: LM914/LM919
[04:42] <pitti> res: 1280x960 1280x1024 1280x1024 1280x1024 1152x864 1024x768 1024x768 1024x768 1024x768 832x624 800x600 800x600 800x600 800x600 720x400 720x400 640x480 640x480 640x480 640x480 640x480 sort -unrtx
[04:42] <pitti> freq: 31-95 55-85
[04:42] <daniels> pitti: ... sigh
[04:43] <lamont> jdub: still the debugging artwork?
[04:43] <pitti> daniels: well, there are a lot of duplicates
[04:43] <pitti> daniels: but at least 1280x1024 is present now
[04:43] <jdub> lamont: no, non-debugging temporary artowkr
[04:43] <fabbione> pitti: there should be no duplicates
[04:43] <pitti> daniels: but what does the sort -unrtx do there?
[04:43] <daniels> pitti: you have mail
[04:43] <fabbione> and no "sort -unrtx" at the end
[04:43] <fabbione> pitti: you forgot a | ?
[04:43] <daniels> pitti: it means that forgot to put a pipe in because I'm an idiot
[04:43] <daniels> fabbione: no, I did :)
[04:44] <daniels> shush
[04:44] <lamont> "daniels: .... because I'm an idiot".. got it.
[04:44] <daniels> ok, how's about this
[04:44] <pitti> # xresprobe nv
[04:44] <pitti> id: LM914/LM919
[04:44] <pitti> res: 1280x960 1280x1024 1280x1024 1280x1024 1152x864 1024x768 1024x768 1024x768 1024x768 832x624 800x600 800x600 800x600 800x600 720x400 720x400 640x480 640x480 640x480 640x480 640x480
[04:44] <pitti> freq: 31-95 55-85
[04:44] <pitti> daniels: better
[04:44] <fabbione> that has to go on "quotes"
[04:44] <daniels> i just released x11r6.8.1 and my brain is melted.
[04:44] <pitti> daniels: still some dups
[04:44] <pitti> daniels: and the sort order is incorrect
[04:44] <lamont> daniels: sort won't do multiple number keys unless you tell it to...
[04:44] <pitti> daniels: however, at least all resolutions appear now
[04:45] <lamont> tr '@x' '::' |sort -t: -k1,1nr -k2,2nr -k3,3nr
[04:46] <lamont> (that is, make the delims all the same, tell sort that's the delim, and have it sort fields 1,2, and 3 as first,second,and third keys...)
[04:46] <lamont> that _should_ do what you want.
[04:47] <dieman> pke me when the release cdimages are out
[04:47] <dieman> poke
[04:47] <dieman> and i'll mirror them
[04:47] <mdz> amd64 is GO
[04:48] <jdub> GO! :)
[04:48] <lamont> is the release announcement going to have a list of mirrors (or a pointer to same)?
[04:48] <mdz> other two are still on archive-copier
[04:48] <mdz> Kamion: just noticed that archive-copier copies all the powerpc subarch kernels
[04:48] <jdub> lamont: see the text on the wiki
[04:48] <lamont> doh
[04:48] <mdz> thom: are the torrents updated?
[04:49] <Kamion> mdz: yes, I mentioned that a few days ago
[04:49] <Kamion> mdz: they can't be yet, they rely on the images being in /releases/
[04:49] <thom> mdz: waiting for the cd images to go into final locations
[04:49] <mdz> why do they rely on that?
[04:50] <puumba> I told thom that I'd try to get one of the Purdue mirrors (csociety.org or cerias) to mirror ubuntu.
[04:50] <Kamion> mdz: the torrents have the location in them
[04:50] <mdz> oh, ew
[04:50] <mdz> I thought they just had the location of the tracker
[04:50] <Kamion> i386 in base-install
[04:50] <mdz> i386 and powerpc booting stage 2
[04:51] <fabbione> 67% of archive copy here
[04:51] <thom> mdz: or certainly it looks like they do, and i'm unwilling to gamble right now. they don't take long, anyway
[04:51] <daniels> pitti: you've got mail
[04:51] <pitti> daniels: worse
[04:52] <pitti> # xresprobe nv
[04:52] <pitti> id: LM914/LM919
[04:52] <pitti> res: 1280x960 1280x1024 1280x1024 1280x1024 1152x864 1024x768 1024x768 1024x768 1024x768 832x624 800x600 800x600 800x600 800x600 720x400 720x400 640x480 640x480 640x480 640x480 640x480 sort sort -rnu -tx -k1,1nr -k2,2nr
[04:52] <pitti> freq: 31-95 55-85
[04:52] <pitti> daniels: another pipe?
[04:52] <fabbione> booting stage 2
[04:52] <dieman> hmm
[04:52] <dieman> ive got a laptop to install with warty!
[04:52] <fabbione> pipes are missing because daniels keeps smoking them :)
[04:53] <pitti> daniels: I added the pipe, but it does not work. Wait...
[04:53] <dieman> i only wish archive.ubuntu.com was faster.
[04:53] <daniels> pitti: biff
[04:54] <pitti> daniels: same thing
[04:54] <fabbione> this is new
[04:54] <pitti> daniels: line 61 misses a |
[04:54] <fabbione> thom: find: /proc/acpi/battery: No such file or directory
[04:54] <pitti> daniels: and has a double sort
[04:55] <fabbione> thom: latest cd install on i386
[04:55] <pitti> daniels: with the fixed one:
[04:55] <Kamion> yeah, laptop-detect is noisy, it's been doing that for a while ...
[04:55] <pitti> # xresprobe nv
[04:55] <pitti> id: LM914/LM919
[04:55] <pitti> res: 1280x960 1280x1024 1280x1024 1280x1024 1152x864 1024x768 1024x768 1024x768 1024x768 832x624 800x600 800x600 800x600 800x600 720x400 720x400 640x480 640x480 640x480 640x480 640x480
[04:55] <pitti> freq: 31-95 55-85
[04:55] <pitti> daniels: still wron sort order and dups
[04:55] <Kamion> hey Kosai :-)
[04:55] <thom> fabbione: file a bug to remind me, please
[04:55] <fabbione> Kamion: hmm ok. i haven't noticed it before
[04:55] <fabbione> thom: yes will do
[04:55] <Kosai> Kamion: Hi.  :)  Happy release, if it's happened! 
[04:55] <fabbione> 5 minutes
[04:55] <Kamion> Kosai: nearly ...
[04:55] <sivang> Kamion : archive structure updates? "77% [7 Packages gzip 0]  [9 Sources 23027/166kB 13%]                  75.1kB/s 1s
[04:55] <sivang> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[04:55] <sivang> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Packages
[04:55] <sivang>   Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[04:55] <sivang> "
[04:56] <Kamion> sivang: that looks like a broken download to me
[04:56] <mdz> any i386 intsalls complete yet?
[04:56] <pitti> daniels: I would like to give you a shell on my box, but I'M behind a nat
[04:56] <lamont> sivang: or bad burn
[04:56] <Kamion> nah, it's talking to archive.u.c
[04:57] <lamont> ah, nm
[04:57] <sivang> Kamion : it's when apt-get updating, not from cd
[04:58] <fabbione> thom: 1249
[04:58] <fabbione> mdz: almost...
[04:59] <sivang> nevermind, iso almost finished. i'll have a fresh install with 15.2
[04:59] <sivang> sorry,
[05:00] <sivang> 15.3
[05:00] <fabbione> time is up
[05:00] <fabbione> :(
[05:00] <pitti> lulu: all URLs on canonical.com which are supposed to be clickable links just show the URL instead of linking to it
[05:00] <Kamion> can't release until at least one of each architecture is running X
[05:00] <Kamion> IMHO
[05:00] <lulu> yes - problem with the editor - we are working on it thanks Pitti
[05:01] <pitti> lulu: okay, if the problem is known, I'll shut up :-)
[05:01] <fabbione> Kamion: i am almost there
[05:01] <pitti> 1500 UTC just went past
[05:01] <Kamion> mdz: how's powerpc looking?
[05:01] <lulu> known - we are turning off the editor and doing it another way - thanks
[05:01] <sivang> so release is now?
[05:01] <sivang> oh no, just cd freeze
[05:02] <lamont> sivang: prerelease
[05:02] <lamont> er, preview
[05:03] <hypatia> sivang: Well the download links from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/ are still dead :)
[05:03] <dieman> so the release cd is coming rsn?
[05:03] <thom> waiting on i386 and powerpc test installs to finish
[05:04] <dieman> is it just going to be based off the current daily?
[05:04] <Kamion> dieman: yes, a direct copy
[05:04] <dieman> ok
[05:04] <mdz> i386 success
[05:04] <mdz> powerpc registering docs
[05:04] <Kamion> I have the relevant command waiting for me to hit enter
[05:04] <Kosai> Can we start drum rolling yet?
[05:05] <pitti> anybody doing the countdown?
[05:05] <thom> pitti: yeah, we're at T+5 :-)
[05:05] <fabbione> pitti: for hoary?
[05:06] <sivang> no use testing the iso now..:)
[05:06] <fabbione> Registering docs now
[05:06] <fabbione> come on...
[05:06] <mdz> powerpc success
[05:06] <mdz> 3 for 3!
[05:06] <daniels> pitti: guh!
[05:06] <Kamion> ok, copying to release
[05:06] <sivang> wowowo
[05:06] <fabbione> Kamion, mdz: i386 is GO here too!
[05:06] <mdz> SHIP IT
[05:06] <sivang> i am exicted
[05:06] <fabbione> Kamion: GO GO
[05:07] <daniels> (warthogs dance?)
[05:07] <sivang> Where's the live video feed????? :)
[05:07] <fabbione> (yes!)
[05:07] <pitti> daniels: what was this klingon thingy 'guh'?
[05:07] <Kosai> I liked the jwz story of their first netscape release; they got an Indy playing a cheer every time a download finished, and watched the sound build up.  :)
[05:07] <dieman> hehehe
[05:08] <daniels> pitti: 'guh' basically means 'crap'
[05:08] <pitti> daniels: too late for the preview anyway
[05:08] <pitti> daniels: now we've got a month to get it right :-)
[05:08] <fabbione> uhaa
[05:08] <fabbione> images are showing up
[05:08] <mdz> images?
[05:08] <pitti> I can see them, I can see them!
[05:08] <mdz> haha
[05:09] <pitti> ia64 - now i386
[05:09] <mdz> monika's alarm clock just went off
[05:09] <Kamion> sync complete
[05:09] <pitti> powerpc also.
[05:09] <Kamion> thom: hit the torrents
[05:09] <puumba> When I was a young warthog!
[05:09] <sivang> YEAH
[05:09] <dieman> or yeah
[05:09] <pitti> THANKS GUYS!
[05:09] <dieman> we could torrent it in
[05:10] <thom> building
[05:10] <dieman> let me know when they are setup
[05:10] <sivang> where to rsync from???? :)
[05:10] <puumba> congrats guys
[05:10] <Kamion> /releases/warty/preview/
[05:10] <pitti> sivang: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/warty/preview/
[05:10] <pitti> sivang: add /cdimage/ for rsync
[05:10] <daniels> pitti: heh
[05:11] <hypatia> I assume it's known that http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/ has the wrong link?
[05:12] <pitti> it has no link at all
[05:12] <pitti> just text
[05:12] <Kamion> ai, yes, that was an earlier version
[05:13] <hypatia> pitti: text with the wrong link in it then
[05:13] <Kamion> hypatia: mentioned it to those who can
[05:14] <pitti> hypatia: s/ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu.com/
[05:14] <Kamion> pitti: we're going out with ubuntulinux.org
[05:14] <sivang> pitti : i want something to work with rsync
[05:14] <Kamion> though ubuntu.com also works
[05:14] <elmo_mf> what went out as the URL of tbe BTS?
[05:14] <hypatia> pitti: it's actually the /install/ on the end that doesn't work
[05:14] <elmo_mf> esp. in gnome/reportbug/whatever?
[05:15] <Kamion> sivang: cdimage.ubuntu.com::cdimage/releases/warty/preview/warty-i386.iso
[05:15] <Kamion> hypatia: yep, got that
[05:15] <pitti> sivang: rsync -zPv rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/warty/preview/warty-i386.iso works
[05:15] <dieman> hmm... is anyone seeding the torrents?
[05:15] <mdz> thom: ERROR:
[05:15] <mdz> rejected by tracker - Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker.
[05:16] <mdz> dieman: I was trying to
[05:17] <dieman> my multitorrent is just saying connecting...
[05:17] <Kamion> hypatia: there'll be a brief delay, some work being done on the download page so it's temporarily edit-frozen
[05:17] <dieman> thom: ditto
[05:17] <dieman> thom: i got the same error as mdz
[05:18] <m_tthew> I also get the 'requested download is not authorized for use' error
[05:19] <daniels> pitti: ping
[05:19] <daniels> pitti: finally fixed
[05:19] <pitti> daniels: poing
[05:19] <sivang> the old wiki is no longer neccesary?
[05:19] <mdz> m_tthew: well bless your heart for trying! :-)
[05:19] <dieman> hmm
[05:19] <dieman> i grabbed bittornado and it started working, mdz and thom
[05:19] <m_tthew> seeding ubuntu is good vibes
[05:20] <dieman> oh no
[05:20] <sivang> release sync done,
[05:20] <dieman> its not working still
[05:20] <Kamion> sivang: old wiki?
[05:20] <sivang> burning
[05:20] <sivang> Kamion : hmm, now there's ubuntu.com right?
[05:20] <Kamion> sivang: the old one is just the same, different name that's all
[05:20] <mdz> thom: working now
[05:20] <pitti> daniels: # xresprobe nv
[05:20] <pitti> id: LM914/LM919
[05:20] <pitti> res: 1280x1024 1280x960 1152x864 1024x768 832x624 800x600 720x400 640x480
[05:20] <pitti> freq: 31-95 55-85
[05:20] <sivang> Kamion : you'd send the mailing list an email with all new links and stuff?
[05:20] <pitti> daniels: Congrats!
[05:20] <Kamion> sivang: others are working on announcements
[05:20] <mdz> maxing out my upstream in fact
[05:21] <daniels> pitti: thanks :)
[05:21] <daniels> pitti: i'll upload once it's settled down a little bit
[05:21] <pitti> daniels: can you please upload it an hour ago? :-/
[05:21] <m_tthew> yeah works here now as well
[05:21] <daniels> (also, once i get back to my gnupg key -- putting in the usb key on a foreign machine and scp'ing over and stuff to just sponsor this ...)
[05:21] <Md> most links in http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/ are broken
[05:21] <daniels> pitti: heh
[05:21] <m_tthew> maxing out my upstream as well
[05:21] <Md> looks like a some " are missing
[05:22] <thom> yeah, config error
[05:22] <thom> fixored
[05:22] <thom> (it's all mdz' fault) ;-)
[05:22] <dieman> haha
[05:22] <thom> i'm btheadless'ing on my server, which is smack on LINX
[05:23] <thom> i have bittorrent maxing the NIC out on that box before
[05:23] <dieman> yeah
[05:23] <dieman> its not going all that fast out here
[05:23] <dieman> wonder why
[05:23] <thom> it'll pick up
[05:23] <Md> I have a couple of boxes with some bandwidth too, where are the torrents?
[05:24] <thom> Md: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/warty/preview/
[05:24] <thom> Md: thanks :-)
[05:24] <daniels> pitti: expect 0.4.7 to hit in about 18h with that fix
[05:24] <daniels> pitti: thanks for your help
[05:25] <pitti> daniels: well, you did the actual work on it. 
[05:25] <pitti> daniels: thanks
[05:25] <pitti> daniels: if people install with network, they should actually get it, right?
[05:25] <Castr0> no will you be nice to me fabbione
[05:25] <daniels> pitti: in 18h ;)
[05:25] <pitti> daniels: of course, but after this.
[05:26] <pitti> daniels: would be a pity if they got wrong X configuration
[05:26] <dieman> thom: ahh, no
[05:26] <dieman> thom: our packet shaper is harming me
[05:26] <daniels> pitti: fo'sho
[05:26] <dieman> thom: i think i might just rsync it
[05:26] <dieman> (it *inspects* traffic for the protocol, too)
[05:26] <dieman> so different ports doesn't work
[05:27] <pitti> daniels: = "for sure"?
[05:28] <daniels> pitti: yah
[05:28] <rburton> pitta: daniels is from da hood
[05:28] <dieman> there we go, im adding in a megabit from home
[05:29] <daniels> how do I get serving? i can throw in 100mbit
[05:29] <mdz> btdownloadheadless http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/warty/preview/warty-{i386,amd64,powerpc}.iso.torrent
[05:29] <thom> daniels: apt-get install bittornado, grab the torrents, btdownloadheadless url
[05:30] <dieman> btlauchmanycurses .
[05:30] <dieman> is nice too
[05:30] <dieman> if you download all 3
[05:30] <thom> yeah
[05:30] <daniels> phwoar, it's quick :)
[05:31] <m_tthew> if the box you're torrenting from is behind NAT, besure to tell bittorrent what public IP to report to the tracker (and forward the ports, of course)
[05:31] <dieman> heh
[05:31] <rburton> i'm getting 119kb/s down and giving 55kb/s back
[05:32] <HcE> does Btlaunchmanycurses: work behind a NAT?
[05:32] <dieman> im getting 146 and giving 80
[05:32] <HcE> don't know the torrent protocol that good
[05:32] <dieman> it will
[05:32] <dieman> but you might not get as much download speed
[05:32] <mdz> it seems to work for me from behind a NAT without explicitly telling it which IP to use
[05:32] <HcE> ok
[05:32] <mdz> I suppose the tracker figures it out from the source address
[05:32] <daf> it works behind a NAT as long as the people you're downloading from aren't behind NAT
[05:33] <dieman> so when will this hit /.
[05:33] <dieman> ?
[05:34] <rburton> if i was sensible i'd run bt on a machine which wasn't behind the nat
[05:34] <thom> edd: torrent is blocked on the posi net, sadly.
[05:34] <thom> edd: otherwise i'd add a few more machines ;-)
[05:34] <edd> thom: doing it from my dsl...
[05:34] <edd> so not exactly fast, but i feel morally superior to wget.
[05:35] <thom> heh
[05:35] <jdub> so much happening on channels and websites
[05:35] <jdub> brain
[05:35] <jdub> malfunctioning
[05:35] <HcE> hmmm
[05:35] <jdub> late at night
[05:35] <Md> hint: the announcements and the web site should prominently advertise the torrents, and use a very small font for the CD images...
[05:35] <jdub> thom: you were dissin' me for the release time -> you had it best off
[05:36] <elmo_mf> jdub: how, by staying up all night? :P
[05:36] <thom> jdub: i was dissing you because of apache an hour before :-)
[05:36] <jdub> elmo_mf: yes, but i did that too :-)
[05:36] <thom> jdub: and you realise i've been up since somewhere around 08:30 yesterday?
[05:36] <Kosai> Is it known that <http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/releases/warty/preview/install/> is 404?
[05:36] <rburton> thom: fool, you should have got some sleep
[05:36] <thom> it's a nice idea
[05:37] <jdub> thom: how many hours ahead am i? :)
[05:37] <daniels> ok, there's 100mbit in the us
[05:37] <thom> Kosai: yeah, drop the install/ the docs are being fixed i think
[05:38] <lamont> thom: are being fixed
[05:38] <dieman> daniels: yeah, my uni connection would be great, but the packet shaping is slowing it down :|
[05:38] <daniels> rad, 1.2MB/sec download from fooishbar :)
[05:38] <dieman> daniels: was only getting 10kbps :|
[05:39] <dieman> daniels: i was doing 1.4MB/sec http xfers from ftp.cs.umn.edu to gluck
[05:39] <dieman> i was impressed
[05:39] <daniels> dieman: fooishbar.org (at cs.pdx.edu) is getting 1.2MB down on i386, plus 830 on amd64, and 840 on powerpc
[05:39] <HcE> 1.3MBps down and 1.1MBps up
[05:39] <dieman> daniels: cool
[05:39] <daniels> and that's only 100MBit -- i'd hate to see what fd.o could do
[05:39] <dieman> daniels: you have a http or rsync from there i can use?
[05:39] <dieman> daniels: so i can snag those images?
[05:39] <dieman> im in a p2p wasteland :)
[05:40] <daniels> dieman: email an ssh public key to daniel@fooishbar.org
[05:40] <sivang> btw people is hebrew new year's eve today! what a nice present like ubuntu for the new year!
[05:41] <sivang> thank you all!
[05:41] <dieman> daniels: awwman, thats work!  :)
[05:41] <dieman> daniels: its not a huge deal, i'll have the images within the hour
[05:41] <dieman> i've nearly got i386
[05:42] <dieman> and amd64
[05:43] <daniels> dieman: heh
[05:44] <mdz> sivang: mazel tov
[05:45] <sivang> mdz : toda! you speak hebrew???? :-)
[05:45] <mdz> sivang: no :-)
[05:48] <Noodles> Mmmmm. 20Mb/s.
[05:49] <HcE> there
[05:49] <HcE> warty-i386.iso down :)
[05:49] <HcE> why do I only give 200kBps ?
[05:55] <sivang> iso finished
[06:02] <fabbione> mdz: still around?
[06:03] <mdz> fabbione: yes
[06:04] <mdz> I will be here at least until the announcements go out
[06:04] <fabbione> mdz: sounder@ i did place the sources for x ubuntu19 on people, if you can kinldy build the amd64 and ppc 
[06:04] <fabbione> mdz: ok.
[06:04] <sivang> mdz : where are you announcing?
[06:05] <mdz> http://wiki.no-name-yet.com/WartyWarthog_2fAnnouncementPlaces
[06:05] <fabbione> mdz: if can put up the build before you go to sleep is perfectly fine for me
[06:05] <lamont> fabbione: 19... sigh.
[06:05] <mdz> fabbione: ok
[06:05] <fabbione> lamont: no need to be uploaded. it needs testing
[06:05] <Md> why no announcement to slashdot? :-)
[06:05] <fabbione> lamont: for the nv driver
[06:06] <fabbione> lamont: it's enough for me to push the driver to people. if it works (as it already looks like) we will consider the upload
[06:07] <lamont> Md: because they're still polishing the announcement, I expect
[06:08] <hypatia> on a really trivial note, how can I reset Nautilus's *default* .jpg "Open" handler?
[06:08] <hypatia> Image Viewer is really useless for me, especially when I want to open ten images
[06:08] <daniels> fabbione: ubuntu19 and xresprobe 0.4.7, hooray
[06:08] <fabbione> daniels: how fucked is 0.4.6?
[06:09] <daniels> fabbione: it doesn't do its n-1 stuff right
[06:09] <daniels> fabbione: if the top resolution has two refresh rates, it will only print the second one, instead of the top one
[06:09] <fabbione> humpf
[06:09] <daniels> it's hardly catastrophic
[06:09] <fabbione> well but X doesn't ask for the @XXHz
[06:09] <fabbione> oh now i get it
[06:09] <fabbione> sorry
[06:10] <fabbione> people are going to flood us with bugs
[06:10] <fabbione> because X is broken
[06:10] <daniels> hm
[06:11] <Kamion> doesn't seem all that bad
[06:11] <daniels> i'm too tired to see what the possible problem is there
[06:11] <daniels> basically, if you have 123x456@70 123x456@80 100x200@60
[06:11] <daniels> xresprobe would throw away the first two(!) and give you 100x200
[06:11] <daniels> which isn't what you want, i think
[06:11] <daniels> so i fixed this in 0.4.7, http://fooishbar.org/daniel/xresprobe/
[06:12] <daniels> right now though, i'm going to roll around, curl up and go to sleep
[06:29] <kagou> hi
[06:30] <seb128> hey kagou 
[06:32] <dieman> hrm
[06:32] <dieman> the installer didn't let me choose a mirror? :)
[06:32] <Kamion> nope
[06:33] <Kamion> having it download from the network at all in the second stage was kind of an afterthought, we're still debating the exact interface
[06:33] <Kamion> but for final release the only things that'll change will be security updates anyway ...
[06:33] <Kamion> and aside from that everything comes off the CD
[06:35] <dieman> ahh
[06:35] <dieman> ok
[06:38] <theantix> I installed it before the wiki went live, I thought I was going nuts and forgot my root password -- now I know better ;-)
[06:39] <kagou> the public announce for ubuntu have been made ?
[06:39] <Kamion> kagou: just being finalized nowish
[06:40] <kagou> thanks Kamion
[06:41] <Kamion> right, unless anyone needs me for anything else urgent I'm going to hide somewhere that doesn't involve computers for a while
[06:41] <sivan> X is broken :(
[06:42] <sivan> did a nasty reboot and then went back to say installation was not complete
[06:42] <m_tthew> what video hardware
[06:43] <sivan> nvidia
[06:43] <m_tthew> :/
[06:43] <sivang> geforece 2, asus make
[06:44] <sivang> i'll try find some logs
[06:45] <sivang> how do i swtich conv windows in irssi-text?
[06:45] <Castr0> sivang, /window <windows #>
[06:48] <lamont> hrm... 52 hours to get the iso... I think I'll go to lunch instead.
[06:48] <mako> i've forwarded a draft version of the public announcment to the sounders list
[06:49] <mako> if people can check that out now and give feedback that would be great
[06:49] <mako> i'll send it out to the announce list (press, etc) in half an hour or so i think
[06:52] <lamont> mako: looks good
[06:53] <kagou> http://www.no-name-yet.com/ have been updated !!
[06:53] <sivang> not working here
[06:54] <sivang> anyway, still trying to figure what caused that nasty reboot..
[06:54] <lamont> kagou: yeah
[06:55] <lamont> mako: does the sounders list get seeded into any of the ubuntu-* lists?  or do we need to have a subscription fest?
[06:57] <sivang> where can i find the installation log?
[06:57] <mako> lamont: i think we already HAD a subscription fest :)
[06:58] <mako> everybody on any ubuntu/warthogs list is on announce i think
[06:59] <sivang> how can i subscribe to the warthog list also?
[06:59] <mako> sivang: you don't need to
[07:00] <mako> sivang: it's basically the canonical administrative list.. it used to be the only list but everything has been moved to other lists now
[07:00] <sivang> ok mako thanks
[07:01] <sivang> anyways guys, holiday dinner is up, so i'll be seeing you all later!
[07:01] <mako> sivang: totally, later
[07:01] <sivang> ubuntu just rocks and will rock even better!
[07:02] <lamont> mako: but we're not on ubuntu-{devel,users}?  Just trying to figure out what I should go sub to, and what I'm already on...
[07:03] <mako> sivang: rosh hashannah?
[07:03] <mako> if so, happy rosh hashannah :)
[07:04] <lucas_> hello :)
[07:05] <sivang> mako : yes! how did you know? :)
[07:07] <mako> sivang: i'm not jewish but went to the jewish community center near my home every day after school for maybe 10 years :) i know some hebrew, songs, etc :) seemed about the right time
[07:09] <sivang> mako : 10 years? you're practicly more jew than me :)
[07:11] <theantix> anyone have any ideas why the installer won't recognize my current partitions?  Currently dual-booting windows (ntfs) and fedora 2 (ext3) but Ubuntu wants to take over the whole disk.  Works on another computer, so it's something with my laptop setup but I don't know what.
[07:12] <sivang> mako : will sounder@ be notified of all relevant new mailing lists we can sign on?
[07:12] <sivang> i don't wnat to miss _anything_ about ubuntu
[07:12] <mako> sivang: yeah, jdu can fill peopl ein
[07:13] <sivang> mako : sound and ubuntu-devel are the same?
[07:13] <mako> sivang: yeah, jdub can send a message to sounder telling them about the new setup
[07:13] <lamont> theantix: the target use model is 'whole disk'...  I'm nearly certain that you can bludgeon it into living with others..
[07:13] <mako> sivang: i think so, jdub can tell what he did
[07:14] <sivang> mako : ok graet!
[07:14] <lamont> theantix: but I'm not sure of the details.
[07:15] <theantix> lamont: ah okay, thanks
[07:15] <spiv> theantix: I believe that if you choose to do manual partioning, it should see your existing partitions.  If it's not, then I guess that's a bug report :)
[07:15] <lamont> theantix: any experience with debian installer?
[07:16] <theantix> spiv: any better way to report bugs than on IRC?
[07:17] <theantix> lamont: never tried d-i on this box, ubuntu installs fine on another box known to work with d-i
[07:17] <theantix> heh
[07:18] <lamont> theantix: the installer _is_ d-i, just with a gag in it's mouth... :-)
[07:18] <lamont> you certainly get prompted before it trashes the disk, and manual partitioning should let you get ther.
[07:18] <lamont> that is, you should be able to install into a free partition.. I know folks were doing that in testing
[07:19] <lamont> well, not a gag, more it's not allowed to ask so many questions...
[07:20] <theantix> lamont: indeed, but the manual partitioning doesn't recognize my partitions for my laptop, though it does for my desktop -- s'ok, I'm filing a bug report and will shut up now
[07:21] <lamont> yum. more bug reports...  
[07:21] <lamont> sounds like a bug to me
[07:37] <Kinnison> Morning
[07:39] <lamont> Kinnison: you time shifted, or just redefining words? :-)
[07:40] <Kinnison> lamont: It's always 'morning' when logging into IRC
[07:40] <lamont> heh
[07:41] <Kinnison> It's always 'morning' when you log in, and g'night when you log out
[07:41] <Kinnison> 'tis the rules
[07:41] <lamont> I thought it was 'moo' when you arrived, and g'night when you leave...
[07:41] <Kinnison> Heh
[07:41] <Kinnison> Blame aj and neuro
[07:42] <lamont> I believe it infested the parisc crowd before debian... not sure if aj/neuro took it from or brought it to parisc..
[07:42] <mako> THE ANNOUNCMENT IS ABOUT TO GO OUT
[07:43] <kagou> i'v made a french news on ubuntu
[07:43] <kagou> http://www.andesi.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3032
[07:50] <mako> SENT
[07:51] <Kinnison> w00t
[07:51] <mako> LET THE WORLD KNOW, UBUNTU LIVES
[07:51] <sabdfl> mako: :-)
[07:51] <Mithrandir> *bounce*
[07:52] <mako> i think ineed to very quickly write some procmail filters
[07:52] <lucas_> kagou: will you propose the news on linuxfr.Org ?
[07:53] <kagou> lucas_, yes of course
[07:53] <lucas_> ok so I won't do it
[07:53] <lucas_> :)
[07:53] <kagou> :)
[07:54] <kagou> lucas_, news proposed at 19H02 (french time)
[07:54] <lucas_> ok, cool
[07:55] <kagou> lucas_, have you seen my news on andesi ?
[07:56] <lucas_> yes, read it very very fast
[07:57] <lucas_> About this : "Pensez tout de mme  faire un tour dans le mixer afin de rgler les volumes et d'enlever les sourdines (les developpeurs ne veulent pas faire exploser vos enceintes, ni vous faire remarquer si vous essayez Ubuntu au travail :p )."
[07:58] <lucas_> I think it's a bug, not a fetre ;)
[07:58] <lucas_> feature
[07:58] <kagou> it's a feature (seen in list)
[07:58] <lucas_> I thought I saw in the list it was a bug :)
[07:58] <lucas_> I should have read more carefully
[07:59] <lucas_> "Sachez aussi que la version de dcembre possdera un installateur compltement graphique."
[08:00] <lucas_> wasn't it April ?
[08:00] <lucas_> I re-read the article, it is very good.
[08:01] <kagou> it's for Hoary Hedgehog (release on december -> http://wiki.no-name-yet.com/HoaryHedgehog?action=highlight&value=%2FReleaseSchedule)
[08:02] <kagou> thanks lucas_ 
[08:03] <seb128> 6 months between releases yes
[08:03] <lamont> december is upstream version freeze for Hoary.
[08:04] <lamont> ah, ol
[08:04] <lamont> ok, even
[08:04] <lucas_> based on what the wiki says, there'll be a beta of the installer in december, but it is only to be released in april. It's a bit misleading, maybe you should update your article
[08:05] <kagou> is there anyone who had tested amd64 version on a notebook (not apple) ?
[08:05] <kagou> ok lucas_ 
[08:05] <seb128> there is no "release" in december
[08:06] <kagou> it's made
[08:06] <lucas_> how are we supposed to pronounce "ubuntu" ?
[08:06] <lucas_> like in english ?
[08:06] <thom> OOOO BOOOON TOOO
[08:06] <lucas_> ok
[08:07] <tarzeau> it'll be gnome only?
[08:07] <thom> kde is in universe
[08:07] <thom> but the main distro is focussing on gnome, yes
[08:07] <spiv> Like a monkey!  oo oo oo!
[08:08] <thom> spiv: you do the monkey thing so well ;)
[08:08] <azeem> mako: you should have explained your "strange" versioning scheme in the announcement I guess
[08:09] <thom> 12GB of bittorrent downloads thusfar
[08:09] <Mithrandir> do we need more seeds?
[08:09] <lamont> mako's announcement on lwn
[08:10] <thom> Mithrandir: i think we have quite a few very well connected ones
[08:10] <lamont> azeem: you mean the numbers or the names?
[08:10] <thom> but it can't hurt :-)
[08:10] <Mithrandir> thom: url?
[08:10] <azeem> lamont: numbers
[08:10] <lamont> azeem: but that would be telling... :-)
[08:10] <thom> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/warty/preview/
[08:11] <lucas_> how is "universe" synched with debian ?
[08:11] <thom> lucas_: snapshot
[08:11] <lucas_> at the upstream freeze date ? how are fixes integrated ?
[08:15] <mako> lamont: no way! 
[08:15] <mako> azeem: it's in th FAQ
[08:15] <lamont> mako: I think you owe corbet a beer, eh?
[08:15] <mako> azeem: right at the top
[08:16] <azeem> mako: yeah, I read it
[08:16] <Nonphasis> wow, a historic moment :)
[08:16] <peacemaker885> just want to say congratulations
[08:16] <peacemaker885> and more power
[08:17] <whiprush> wooo, congrats everyone on the release!
[08:18] <crimsun> it would be a good idea to link directly to http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Archive on the download page (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/)
[08:18] <sabdfl> thanks guys, we're very happy to be switching to community mode :-)
[08:18] <crimsun> (yes, it's already at the bottom, i realize)
[08:19] <sabdfl> crimsun: done, thanks for the suggestion
[08:20] <Nonphasis> hmm, can i apt-get upgrade sarge to ubuntu?
[08:20] <Nonphasis> i guess it won't be easy ;-)
[08:20] <sabdfl> Nonphasis: sarge froze after warty did, so not reliably, although some people have done it
[08:20] <spiv> Nonphasis: add our apt lines, apt-get install ubuntu-desktop, cross your fingers? :)
[08:20] <spiv> (I've no idea if taht works)
[08:20] <lamont> just set your apt prefs for warty to > 1000, and well.. :-)
[08:21] <lamont> do a backup first, of course..
[08:21] <Nonphasis> sabdfl, well, I guess that's faq material at least
[08:21] <sabdfl> ok, will add it
[08:21] <thom> yeah, backup, pin warty very high, cover your eyes...
[08:21] <lamont> or have a 12 year old do the upgrade.
[08:22] <lamont> mind you, sid (circa August?)->warty went, um, not so well for me, but I suspect those 12-year-old hands kicked the power in the middle of it...
[08:23] <ema> are the lists archives available somewhere? the links on lists.ubuntu.com are broken
[08:24] <Nonphasis> btw, what's the relationship b/w ubuntu and python? ISTR Mr. Shuttleworth was talking of some more "Python oriented" distro...
[08:24] <Nonphasis> hmm, you are not slashdotted yet 
[08:25] <lamont> "There's another story coming up soon, stay tuned. Subscribe now and we'll let you read it! :)"
[08:25] <lamont> wonder if that's us?
[08:25] <thom> Nonphasis: having pervasive python integration is the plan. 
[08:25] <Nonphasis> I guess Gnome 2.8 might ease the slashdot effect a little bit when it hits...
[08:25] <ore> what are pool/restricted and pool/universe?
[08:25] <mako> Nonphasis:  this is the one
[08:25] <jvw> slashdot isn't that fast...
[08:26] <mako> jdub: around?
[08:26] <lamont> ore: that should be in the faq.
[08:26] <thom>  /. effect really isn't that interesting anymore, anyway :-)
[08:26] <mjg59> What happened to the set of patches that used to be on no-name-yet?
[08:26] <ore> lamont: didn't find it then
[08:26] <mako> jdub: the archives aren't working
[08:26] <mako> mjg59: still there
[08:26] <lamont> ore: restricted is the non-free driver blobs
[08:26] <hypatia> thom: what, planet.gnome is the new monster or what?
[08:26] <lamont> universe is, well, everything else.
[08:26] <Nonphasis> thom, that's going to be the most important part for many, I guess. I hope this aspect will be marketed after the gold release at least
[08:26] <mako> mjg59: http://www.no-name-yet.com/patches/
[08:27] <Nonphasis> rc.d stuff in python?
[08:27] <mjg59> mako: Is that linked to from anywhere now?
[08:27] <lamont> mjg59: or even http://limey-bastards.no-name-yet.com/patches/
[08:27] <lamont> :-)
[08:27] <ore> lamont: and universe?
[08:27] <rcaskey_> ooh, shweet
[08:27] <mako> mjg59: should be
[08:27] <thom> Nonphasis: dunno yet, it's something that needs to be planned etc
[08:27] <rcaskey_> just got the email on -announce
[08:27] <thom> ore: everything else from debian main
[08:28] <rcaskey_> Does ubuntu mean anything?
[08:28] <lamont> ore: main is free stuff, restricted is binary blobs, and universe is everything else (universe is not supported, it just is.)
[08:28] <mako> rcaskey_: first question in the FAQ :)
[08:28] <mako> rcaskey_: zulu word for community/humanity
[08:28] <lamont> ore: for warty universe is the rest of debian main.  That is expected to grow over time.
[08:28] <ore> lamont: okay, thanks.
[08:29] <lamont> ore: note that not all of debian/main is there... if it built, it's there.  Much of what didn't built wasn't dealt with.
[08:30] <ore> lamont: I see.
[08:30] <ore> lamont: so pool/main is the packages that get security support etc?
[08:30] <lamont> yes
[08:30] <bskahan> just wanted to say thanks to everyone working on warty, been using it for the last 2 weeks and very happy with it.  whoever did the layout on the gnome menu is a champ
[08:31] <lamont> and (I believe, but don't quote me) pool/restricted, to the extent that is even possible, based on upstream blob-creator.
[08:31] <Mithrandir> bskahan: that would be seb128, I think.
[08:32] <bskahan> I'd love to see it get pushed upstream
[08:32] <Mithrandir> bskahan: at least, seb128 is our gnome hero.
[08:32] <bskahan> heh
[08:32] <lamont> ore: 5500+ binary-component-producing source packages, 3 architectures (==16000+ builds), ~500 failures in universe.
[08:32] <sabdfl> bskahan: ok, major brownie points to you from the Hogfather :-)
[08:33] <bskahan> heh
[08:34] <ore> good, my packages in ubuntu main are straight from Debian main, that should mean they're bugfree for commercial use ;)
[08:34] <ore> Mithrandir: you work for Canonical too?!
[08:35] <lamont> ore: which packages?
[08:35] <kagou> many via chipset owner have problems with linux kernel since 2.6.5-1. Is there a possibility to have an older kernel in universe ?
[08:35] <m_tthew> are livecd images still available someplace
[08:35] <ore> lamont: libpcap{,0.8}, tcpdump
[08:36] <lamont> oh, cool.
[08:36] <Mithrandir> ore: yes
[08:38] <Nonphasis> kagou, what kinds of problems?
[08:38] <hernan43> who do I talk to about creating an ubuntu mirror?
[08:40] <sabdfl> hernan43: rsync address is on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
[08:40] <hernan43> thanks
[08:40] <elmo_mf> hernan43: when you've setup, let me know pls
[08:40] <sabdfl> hernan43: if you can use that, just go ahead, and list it in the wiki
[08:40] <dieman> hrm
[08:40] <hernan43> ok
[08:40] <dieman> after install this ICH4 audio card doesn't work
[08:41] <ore> well. good luck ubuntu.
[08:41] <hernan43> it won't happen for a couple of days, as I have to acquire a machine
[08:41] <hernan43> but thanks for the info
[08:41] <sabdfl> dieman: alsamixer shows it?
[08:41] <dieman> nope :|
[08:42] <dieman> im trying a reboot 'for the hell of it
[08:42] <dieman> '
[08:42] <kagou> Nonphasis, problem with interrupts
[08:42] <elmo_mf> hernan43: let me know when you've set it up (james.troup@canonical.com), I'll add you to our mirror list
[08:42] <kagou> like "hdc: lost interrupt"
[08:42] <hernan43> elmo_mf: sweet, thanks
[08:42] <dieman> elmo_mf: i got ftp.cs going for the prevew cdimages.
[08:42] <sabdfl> dieman: it isn't windows, dude
[08:42] <dieman> elmo_mf: its still rsyning them
[08:42] <Nonphasis> kagou, ah... is it documented somewhere?
[08:42] <elmo_mf> dieman: great!
[08:43] <dieman> sabdfl: i know, didn't wokr anyhow :)
[08:43] <mjg59> thom: Dude, why isn't laptop-detect arch:all?
[08:43] <lamont> dieman: we strive for consistancy, you know... :)
[08:43] <thom> mjg59: arch specific dependencies
[08:43] <dieman> hrm
[08:43] <kagou> mmmh no, if you search for this problem on lists, many owners had this problem :/
[08:43] <mjg59> Oh, dmidecode
[08:43] <dieman> hrm
[08:43] <dieman> im seeing "unable to grab IRQ 7"
[08:44] <dieman> and "Intel ICH: probe of 0000:001f.5 failed with error -16"
[08:44] <Nonphasis> kagou, ok. I've had some file system corruption/ide problems lately, perhaps it might be the kernel
[08:49] <dieman> off to upgrade the bios
[08:49] <dieman> see if it fixes acpi issues
[08:51] <dieman> fuck, i think this stll has a bad dsdt
[08:53] <mjg59> The logo on the website looks quite artifacty
[08:54] <dieman> and the thing doesn't suspend :|
[09:00] <dieman> ahh
[09:00] <dieman> theres the bug
[09:01] <dieman> parport being loaded keeps sound from working on the d600
[09:01] <dieman> fsck.
[09:03] <lamont> dieman: that's just sick...
[09:03] <dieman> because it locks up irq7
[09:03] <dieman> and the sound stuff wont play nice with that
[09:03] <dieman> i'll put it in bugzilla
[09:03] <dieman> ow
[09:04] <dieman> who loads parport?
[09:04] <dieman> i put it in blacklist and its still showing up
[09:04] <dieman> oh
[09:04] <dieman> its in modules
[09:04] <dieman> as lp
[09:06] <dieman> isn't pc hardware lovely?
[09:09] <Md> dieman: if it's autoloaded, it's autoloaded by isapnp.rc
[09:15] <rcaskey> Does ubuntu use d-i?
[09:16] <dieman> yes.
[09:16] <dieman> whos doing the website stuff for downloading
[09:16] <dieman> ?
[09:16] <dieman> http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu-cdimage/ is there
[09:16] <dieman> and ready to go
[09:17] <Castr0> speaking of the website but I am sure the person who created it had good intentions but those colors hurt my eyes
[09:17] <elmo_> 404, dude?
[09:17] <dieman> elmo_: oh duh
[09:17] <dieman> elmo_: let me link it in
[09:17] <dieman> elmo_: refresh
[09:18] <dieman> elmo_: i just have release there
[09:18] <elmo_> dieman: that's fine
[09:19] <mako> dieman: are you on internet2?
[09:19] <elmo_> dieman: thanks, we're adding you to the download page now
[09:22] <dieman> mako: yes
[09:22] <sabdfl> dieman: thanks very much, you're listed now
[09:23] <dieman> the /.-ing hasn't started yet
[09:23] <dieman> at least
[09:26] <mako> i suppose it's just a matter of time
[09:26] <dieman> yeah
[09:26] <dieman> i mean
[09:26] <dieman> i doubt malda can resist debian+shiny
[09:29] <mako> someone should submit it.. and poinint out the shiny :)
[09:29] <koke> hi!
[09:30] <Md> if you are listing CD-only mirrors too please add http://ftp3.linux.it/pub/mirrors/warty/ then
[09:33] <mako> koke: hey
[09:34] <koke> I thought there would be less people here
[09:36] <koke> http://lists.ubuntu.com/pipermail/ubuntu-devel/ gives me a 404
[09:36] <koke> any developer/admin here?
[09:36] <sabdfl> md: thanks, you're up on the page, much appreciated!
[09:37] <cef> so, now that the official announcement has gone out, does the channel need to be +s anymore?
[09:37] <lamont> and in fact shouldn't be, I expect..
[09:38] <cef> lamont: I'd be guessing that too...
[09:38] <rcaskey> it does keep out the hot teen sex0r bots though
[09:38] <cef> rcaskey: heh
[09:39] <cef> probably best to leave it till we get a permanent infobot like debhelper/apt in here
[09:39] <lamont> cef: I'm not the contact for the channel anyway...  I'll poke.
[09:40] <xam> nick x4m
[09:41] <cef> lamont: have a nice lunch *grin*
[09:41] <cef> I better get to work - *yawn* 7am start
[09:43] <cef> koke: indeed it does.. not a developer or admin but I'll poke someone over it
[09:44] <dead|at|dawn> hallo
[09:45] <cef> koke: bah! mako's one of the list admins for that list.. poke him yourself. *grin*
[09:50] <mako> thom, elmo_: can either of you look into the mailman no-archive problems on teh ilsts?
[09:51] <mako> i don't even have an account on the machine
[09:51] <mako> cef, koke: looking into it
[09:52] <cef> mako: ahh you're here.. ignore my mail then.. *grin*
[09:52] <mako> cef :)
[09:56] <cef> ok, outta here ppl.. happy Ubuntu-ing!
[10:07] <koke> I'd like to know how to collaborate with ubuntu and/or any other canonical project
[10:08] <koke> I'm more interested on the other projects but I also like ubuntu ;)
[10:09] <mako> koke: i think at this point, it's a matter of signing up on the mailing lists and jumping in
[10:10] <mako> i'm in the processing of finishing up a traffic report for the past three weeks of ubuntu technical discussions 
[10:10] <rcaskey> I'm a bit unclear as to what the big difference between ubuntu and user-linux is
[10:11] <mako> rcaskey: that's one for the FAQ
[10:11] <mako> :)
[10:11] <mako> i actually answered that in an email before
[10:11] <mako> let me go put it in the FAQ
[10:11] <koke> mako, but what about the other projects?
[10:11] <dieman> heh
[10:11] <koke> are they also discussed at the ubuntu-devel list?
[10:12] <dieman> so i got ubuntu setup on here, missing a small handful of packages, mostly non-free crap
[10:12] <dieman> or shit like libc5 that i thnk i need for old matlab
[10:12] <mako> dieman: universe!
[10:13] <dieman> yeah
[10:13] <dieman> even with universe
[10:13] <dieman> im missing stuff :)
[10:13] <dieman> like ant.
[10:13] <mako> dieman: new sttsuff?
[10:13] <spiv> universe doesn't include non-free does it?
[10:14] <mako> spiv: no
[10:14] <dieman> and crap from mariliat i'll have to compile
[10:14] <dieman> and myspell-en-us (!?)
[10:14] <dieman> i need to file a bug on that one
[10:14] <mako> dieman: yes :)
[10:14] <jordi> what's with the 4.10 release number for warty?
[10:15] <jordi> mako: dude!
[10:15] <Kosai> jordi: Year/month.
[10:15] <spiv> I think we might need to mention the FAQ prominently in the /topic :)
[10:15] <mako> jordi: DUDE!
[10:15] <mako> jordi: it's thehe date! :)
[10:16] <rcaskey> mako: Should I be expectin that faq update any minute ;)
[10:16] <dieman> i also need to get linuxtant setup on up here
[10:16] <dieman> and see if i can get S3 working
[10:16] <jordi> lol that makes sense.
[10:16] <mako> rcaskey: yes, i'm eating at the same time
[10:16] <jordi> spiv: probably :)
[10:17] <jordi> spiv: I was misslead by LWN though :)
[10:18] <Nafai> Luckily, I've already read the FAQ. :)
[10:19] <hypatia> did you guys send something to distrowatch.org
[10:22] <jordi> hiya lu
[10:22] <rcaskey> It will be interseting to give ubuntu a try after running rawhide for the past few months
[10:30] <mako> rcaskey: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/userlinux/
[10:33] <dieman> pain!
[10:33] <dieman> i had to grab ldso and libc5 from unstable
[10:33] <dieman> ick!
[10:33] <dieman> icky!
[10:33] <Tybstar> ew!
[10:33] <dieman> ack
[10:33] <dieman> and it wants libXt.so.6!
[10:33] <dieman> grmbl!
[10:51] <dieman> lamont__: ive got my box at home in the torrent
[10:51] <dieman> its 1mbps
[10:53] <lamont__> dieman: wasn't worth throwing the 30kbps at home into it... :-)
[10:55] <lamont__> 23Kbytes down, 6Kbytes up
[10:55] <lamont__> and only 6 hours to go...
[10:55] <carlos> my server has 10Mbps but three torrents only get 700Kbps
[10:55] <carlos> we need more people downloading ubuntu!!
[10:55] <carlos> :-D
[10:58] <dieman> lamont__: find like a borders or something with a t-moble hotspot, cost $$, but at least its faster
[10:58] <mako> dieman: not with ntsx :)
[10:59] <mako> i was getting 700KB down myself :)
[10:59] <lamont__> there's a free coffee shop a couple miles from here, or I can go park in a buddy's driveway and get T1 speeds.
[10:59] <chrisa> Ok, I have to ask. Is it pronounced "You+Bun+Too"?
[10:59] <lamont__> but I needed to come into town anyway, and if it takes later, then so be it..
[10:59] <mako> chrisa: toox3
[10:59] <lamont__> uuuu + bun+too
[10:59] <kagou> lucas_, are you here ?
[10:59] <mako> i'm going to make a recording
[10:59] <lamont__> like a monkey: oo oo oo
[11:00] <mdz> how are we doing?
[11:00] <lamont__> mdz: just waking up, or are you still fighting sleep
[11:00] <lamont__> ?
[11:00] <mdz> napped
[11:00] <mako> i've had this laptop for 2 years and this is the first time i've bothered to see if the mic works
[11:00] <mako> 3 years maybe
[11:03] <jvw> if you're really in need of a 100MBit torrent, just tell me what to apt-get and I'll consider
[11:04] <m_tthew> mdz: this might be a question for colin, but are there livecd images someplace, still?
[11:08] <mdz> m_tthew: not ones which are suitable for release, which is why they aren't where they used to be
[11:08] <m_tthew> acknowledged
[11:08] <m_tthew> i thought something of the sort might be the case, thanks
[11:09] <lamont__> mdz: eta for an rc?
[11:09] <dieman> wood
[11:09] <dieman> woot, rather
[11:10] <dieman> if i remove ehci_hcd S3 suspend works on here
[11:10] <mdz> lamont__: on or about Warty final
[11:10] <lamont__> right
[11:12] <mdz> lamont__: #1257 headed your way
[11:15] <dieman> hmm
[11:15] <dieman> the default lid script doesn't work well :|
[11:15] <dieman> oh well
[11:15] <dieman> just replace it
[11:15] <mdz> and then file a bug with your improved script
[11:16] <dieman> not everyone will want s3 on lid close :)
[11:16] <dieman> this user does
[11:16] <lamont__> so if I kill bittorrent and restart it, it picks up with the partial file, yes?
[11:16] <dieman> yes
[11:17] <mdz> lamont__: certainly
[11:20] <xTina> hi
[11:21] <xTina> Is it just my system, or does the preview release ISO for PPC reliably crash DiskUtility on Mac OS X when trying to burn?
[11:22] <mako> lg: ciao! 
[11:22] <mako> xTina: um.. i've not heard that reported....
[11:23] <mako> xTina: but i've not tried to burn with diskutility either
[11:23] <mdz> xTina: I haven't used that particular tool, but I can burn the image fine with Linux and GNOME tools
[11:23] <xTina> mdz: The PPC one?
[11:24] <lg> mako: ciao!
[11:26] <j^> xTina do you have toaster?
[11:26] <xTina> Nope.
[11:26] <Mithrandir> moo
[11:27] <j^> have you checked the md5sum? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/4.10/preview/MD5SUMS
[11:28] <xTina> Yepp, that was the first thing I did.
[11:28] <m_tthew> I burnt an earlier i386 sounder image in DiskUtility without trouble
[11:28] <m_tthew> What version of OSX?
[11:28] <xTina> m_tthew: Me too.
[11:28] <m_tthew> I can try to replicate here
[11:28] <xTina> m_tthew: 10.3.5
[11:29] <Mithrandir> seems like cdrecord exists for mosx.
[11:30] <koke> I was wondering if I sign up in shipit, I'll receive the i386 version I guess?
[11:30] <mdz> xTina: yes, the powerpc one
[11:31] <m_tthew> xTina: thanks, I think that is what I have here. I will try to replicate
[11:31] <xTina> mdz: I think it's not broken by itself, at least not totally, since I can also mount it here.
[11:31] <mdz> xTina: agreed
[11:31] <xTina> mdz: It just seems to disagree with DiskUtility
[11:32] <mdz> it will be telling whether it works for m_tthew or not
[11:32] <xTina> Yepp. That would be interesting.
[11:33] <m_tthew> I just checked, I have 10.3.4, I will try it anyway (waiting on iso d/l)
[11:33] <m_tthew> I see, 10.3.5 will come in as an update
[11:34] <m_tthew> I'll update, then try with 10.3.5 once this image downloads.
[11:34] <xTina> I'm currently copying the image to yet another OS X machine as well. But that's going to take some time.
[11:36] <vincent_> hello. I search a live cd iso of ubuntu. Do you know where i can find one ?
[11:37] <sabdfl> vincent_: there's a test one, but it's not yet been widely released
[11:38] <vincent_> sabdfl: ok. thnak you. There is bad link for it in the wiki
[11:40] <sabdfl> vincent_: im trying to find it now
[11:41] <edd> hmm. when ubuntu detects an existing swap partition it checks all of it, which is slow. it would likely be better just to mkswap again
[11:41] <sabdfl> edd: can that ever be destructive on any useful data?
[11:42] <vincent_> sabdfl: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog_2fLiveCD
[11:43] <sabdfl> edd: ok, could you file a bug in bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org?
[11:43] <sabdfl> use debian-installer component
[11:43] <xTina> Alright, same problems with the PPC image on a different almost freshly installed OS X machine :-(
[11:43] <MS--> Does the install CD ask which partitions you want to install into, or does it just decide for itself? (Reason for q - I have a spare partition and want to try ubuntu, but don't want it innocently trashing my current OS :) )
[11:44] <edd> MS--: you can choose.
[11:44] <MS--> Cool :)
[11:44] <MS--> Thanks
[11:44] <MS--> :)
[11:44] <zack> you can also choose to let it choose :)
[11:45] <sabdfl> vincent_: will have a url for you shortly
[11:45] <vincent_> sabdfl: \o/ great !!! \o/
[11:45] <m_tthew> xTina: I've got about 40min left on this d/l, then I'll try it here
[11:46] <xTina> m_tthew: Alright. But I guess it's definitely not working on 10.3.5 :(
[11:46] <maco> in regard to loading debian packages - do you think it's safe if the package is not included in ubuntu, such as courier?
[11:47] <mdz> maco: it's best to install those packages from warty/universe than from Debian
[11:47] <mdz> then at least they are built in the same environment, etc.
[11:47] <maco> is there a master list for the warty universe?
[11:48] <sabdfl> maco: master list?
[11:48] <maco> list of all packages
[11:48] <mdz> maco: it's a component like main and restricted that you can add to sources.list
[11:48] <mdz> then you can see the packages with apt
[11:48] <mdz> maco: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view explains the meanings of the different components
[11:48] <lamont__> if the package is in debian/main and it's not in universe, then there was a failure in the build...  I'm not aware of anything from debian/main that was intentionally dropped from universe...
[11:49] <maco> ahh - cool - thank you
[11:50] <mdz> universe is by definition inclusive :-)
[11:50] <lamont__> by debian buildd standards, main+restricted+universe is sitting at around 97-98%
[11:50] <lamont__> mdz: definitely
[11:52] <Mithrandir> lamont__: the sources to all of debian.main is in universe, right?
[11:55] <mako> umm guys
[11:55] <mdz> Mithrandir: at the time of the freeze, yes
[11:55] <mako> we're on /.
[11:55] <mdz> about time
[11:55] <MS--> Good news for the torrent perhaps :)
[11:56] <puumba> Well, looks like ubuntu made slashdot now.
[11:56] <mako> yeah :)
[11:56] <lamont__> Mithrandir: yes
[11:57] <del`> upload rate on my torrent download just went from 4 to 19
[11:58] <mako> sabdfl: are you on there fielding the comments already? :)
[11:58] <HcE> Mithrandir: do you seed from Gls?
[11:58] <sabdfl> yup  :-)
[11:59] <Nafai> Hey jdub 
[11:59] <jdub> hi Nafai 
[11:59] <sabdfl> jdub: good timing, we just got slashdotted ;-)
[11:59] <jdub> nice to see you here
[11:59] <jdub> sabdfl: bonus
[11:59] <jdub> sabdfl: how's everything holding up?
[11:59] <Nafai> jdub: Yeah, just checking out what you and spiv have been up to
[11:59] <mako> jdub: it happened like 5 minutes ago