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mdzLoneTech: ah, gotcha12:00
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mdzLoneTech: you're looking for the udebs, then12:00
mdzLoneTech: /ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-kernel-di-i386-2.612:00
mdzin the archive12:01
mdzthey may not be on the CD in udeb form12:01
LoneTechyes, it's in the archive. got past it now. please include them next CD!12:01
JStrikethom : Windhoek is always good too. Castle is goes down better in large quantities though12:01
mdzLoneTech: what sort of install are you doing where you need the udebs on the CD?12:02
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JStrikethom : You have memories?12:03
=== JStrike cant remember entire weeks during first and second year
thomwell, all right. blank spots where memories should be, and a non-functioning liver ;P12:04
seb128mdz: I've just checked with Lo-lan-2, according to him the package is in a good state and works pretty fine12:04
LoneTechmdz: tried to install off a loopmounted ISO on another machine.12:04
LoneTechthe target machine has no CD drive, so netboot image seemed the natural choice. turns out that netboot couldn't see IDE due to the missing udebs.12:04
sladenLoneTech: did you have any success?12:04
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mdzLoneTech: ok, please file a bug, Component: debian-cd, Severity: enhancement, and we'll see what we can do12:05
LoneTechrepeating mirror selection, udeb installation and hardware probing, this time using the online archive rather than my local ISO mount, yes.12:05
thomhrm, unpacking the netboot.tar.gz into the tftp root directory and using that worked fine here (on an ide machine)12:05
mxpxpodhow do I make a ubuntu kernel package?12:05
LoneTechbug 1300 on debian-installer is about this. should it be reassigned?12:05
mdzthom: he's using the CD as a mirror for the netboot12:05
mdzthom: but the CD doesn't have all of the udebs12:06
thomah12:06
thommy bad12:06
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mdzLoneTech: no, in that case, it's already reached the correct person12:06
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mdzLoneTech: it should be retitled, though12:06
mxpxpodmdz: do you know how to make a ubuntu kernel image?12:07
mdzmxpxpod: yes12:07
mxpxpodmdz: do you just use make-kpkg?12:07
seb128'night thom12:07
mdzmxpxpod: yes, you can do it that way12:07
mxpxpodmdz: how else can you do it?12:07
mdzmxpxpod: may I ask why you need to build a custom kernel?  we like to avoid that for you :-)12:07
keiferany one here on ppc? I can't seem to burn the .iso image. I keeps kiling disk utility. (I'm trying to use a cd rw)12:07
mdzmxpxpod: you can also build the linux-source-2.6.8.1 source package12:08
mdzkeifer: it's a bug in disk utility :-/12:08
seb128mdz: ok, so, should I mail you+jdub about eagle-adsl ?12:08
mxpxpodmdz: I like custom kernels... I don't need a bunch of useless modules loading12:08
mdzseb128: mail ubuntu-devel, I'd say12:08
sladenkeifer: known bug with the Mac OS X burner program12:08
seb128mdz: ok, thanks12:08
keifermdz: is there an alternative CLI proggy?12:08
mxpxpodmdz: like, it's loading ehci_hcd and ohci_hcd12:08
sladenkeifer: cdrecord from fink 12:08
keifercok12:09
keifer*ok12:09
mdzmxpxpod: and you don't have USB?12:09
mxpxpodmdz: I have usb, but I don't need both ehci and ohci loaded12:09
sabdflhmm... dhould be able to blacklist one12:09
mdzmxpxpod: are you sure?12:09
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mxpxpodmdz: why would I?12:09
mdzmxpxpod: I need both ehci_hcd and uhci_hcd loaded in order to support usb 1.1 and 2.012:09
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mdzthey are two separate devices on the PCI bus12:10
mxpxpodahhh12:10
mxpxpodoh, and I don't need ext3 loaded either12:10
mxpxpodor reiserfs or jfs or hfs...12:10
sivangmdz : ubuntu-devel=sounder ? 12:11
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LoneTechSmall wishlist item: it would be nice if the partitioning tool showed partition types. And always kept the relevant partition name on-screen (it didn't when asking me how to use the selected partition).12:13
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mdzsivang: sounder=ubuntu-users12:14
mxpxpodmdz: also, for some reason I can't get the eject key to work... if I hit fn+eject, I get F12, which is correct... but hitting eject gets nothing12:14
mdzmxpxpod: it shouldn't need to load those modules, but it happens here as well.  seems like a bug12:15
mdzmxpxpod: hmm, I don't have an eject key here, but I think pbbuttonsd is supposed to handle that12:15
mxpxpodmdz: hmm... it's mapping eject to meta_r12:16
mxpxpodkeycode 11612:16
mxpxpodand my power button is keycode 22212:17
mxpxpodmdz: what does your /etc/sysctl.conf say?12:18
mdzmxpxpod: I'll tell you in a moment; need to power on that machine12:19
mxpxpodI think the keymaps are all screwed up12:21
mdzdev/mac_hid/mouse_button_emulation = 112:21
mdzdev/mac_hid/mouse_button2_keycode = 8712:21
mdzdev/mac_hid/mouse_button3_keycode = 8812:21
mxpxpodmdz: hrmm... I wonder what keymap you use...12:22
mxpxpodwhat's your XF86Config-4 say?12:23
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mdz        Option          "XkbRules"      "xfree86"12:23
mdz        Option          "XkbModel"      "macintosh"12:23
mdz        Option          "XkbLayout"     "us"12:23
mxpxpodgrrr...12:24
mxpxpodwhat machine do you have?12:24
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keifernot to be difficult, but is there a different alternative to cdrecord? It involved installing gcc, and I don't have the space do grab the devel tools from apples site. :\12:25
torydoes anybody know how to get gtk2-emacs in ubuntu?12:26
carlosmxpxpod: which one do you have?12:27
mxpxpodcarlos: ibook g412:27
carlosI have the same problem with my powerbook12:27
carlosswitch to a text terminal (outside X)12:27
carlosand execute: showkey (it exits after 10 seconds without pressing any key)12:28
mxpxpodcarlos: ok12:28
carlosand press the eject key12:28
carloshmmm12:28
mxpxpodcarlos: I get 0x80 0x81 0xa1 0x80 0x81 0xa112:29
carlosmxpxpod: like I12:29
mxpxpodthat sucks12:29
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carlosI didn't found any fix for it, sorry12:29
mxpxpodI gotta get home to my wife12:30
mxpxpodI'll talk to you guys tomorrow12:30
mxpxpodother than a few quirks, ubuntu rawks12:30
carlosxev sees it as Super_R key12:30
pantz_hey people - i am having a problem trying to get the glider theme looking good12:30
carlosmxpxpod: later12:30
pantz_anyone got the same problem?12:30
pantz_the buttons look majorly square and boring12:31
phlaegelpantz_: you need to install the smooth engine12:31
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pantz_how do i install that?12:32
torypantz_: why don't you take a screenshot for us12:32
toryit should've installed the smooth engine already12:32
pantz_mmm good idea12:32
phlaegeltory: it doesn't, it's a bug12:32
pantz_hang on12:32
toryphlaegel: oh12:32
toryyou can install the smooth engine by typing "sudo apt-get install gtk2-engines-smooth"12:33
mxpxpodlater guys12:34
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mdzcarlos: please file a bug about the eject issue if there is not already one in bugzilla12:36
carlosmdz: I have a bug about other problems with apple keys at debian's bts12:37
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pantz_Package gtk2-engines-smooth is not available, but is referred to by another package.12:37
pantz_This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or12:37
pantz_is only available from another source12:37
pantz_E: Package gtk2-engines-smooth has no installation candidate12:37
carlosshould I file a bug linking to the debian's bts?12:37
pantz_tory, thats what i got - still working on the screenshot12:37
carlos(another bug)12:37
torypantz_: you could try downloading the deb from here http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/gtk2-engines-smooth12:39
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toryscroll down, click the "i386" button, then type "sudo dpkg -i gtk2-smooth-engines-blahblah.deb"12:39
torythat might work. I'm kinda new to debian12:39
phlaegelI wouldn't do that...12:40
phlaegelit's not necessary12:40
toryhow can he get it installed12:40
phlaegelpantz_: have you modified your /etc/apt/sources.list at all?12:40
pantz_phlaegel, nope12:41
pantz_should i?12:41
pantz_i am a fresh-outta-the-box debian newbie12:42
phlaegeldepends... check it and see what lines are uncommented in it. 12:42
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sabdflpantz_: try apt-get update12:42
sabdflpantz_: then apt-get dist-upgrade12:42
xxorrorxxcan you load your install of ubuntu from the install cd ?12:43
xxorrorxxif the bootloader gets nuked12:43
xxorrorxxvmlinuz boot=/"root" kinda deal12:44
pantz_hey hey you guys rock - i did the dpkg -i and installed it - now things are looking good12:44
torycool12:44
pantz_should i report the lack of the gtk-engine-smooth package as a bug?12:44
xxorrorxxheh no12:44
phlaegelpantz_: it's been done already, iirc12:44
pantz_cool12:45
torydo what sabdfl suggested. run "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"12:45
pantz_yeah its running at the mo12:45
pantz_i did the dpkg -i first12:45
phlaegelbtw, installing packages from debian like that is not recommended... you should install packages from the ubuntu sources only or things *might* break12:45
sabdflpantz_: those comands bring your system completely up to date12:45
xxorrorxxsabdfl: is that a good idea if you're using universe ?12:45
sabdflxxorrorxx: it won't actually install new software, just update the software that's on your machine12:46
xxorrorxxsabdfl: oh12:46
pantz_oh yeah - is ee the dist-upgrade option had the package in it12:46
sabdflif a package gets a new dependency, that will be brought in12:46
sabdflbut a package in main cannot depend on a package in universe12:46
pantz_well thanks heaps for your help anyway guys12:46
sabdfl(or it could, we just don't allow that)12:46
xxorrorxxI did that ,it installed smooth , but I dont see it as an option 12:47
xxorrorxxin 'themes'12:47
phlaegelyou won't12:47
phlaegelit just works on themes that use it12:47
xxorrorxxoh12:47
xxorrorxxwhat themes use it12:47
tvonthe smooth package is just the engine12:47
phlaegelglider is one12:47
torysmoothgnome is another12:47
xxorrorxxwhat does it do exactly 12:47
phlaegelglider == smoothgnome12:47
toryoh12:47
pantz_so being the debian newbie that i am - if i run apt-get dist-upgrade everyday for the rest of my life - i will always have the most current version of ubuntumumutumu?12:47
lamont__pantz_: You'll have the latest version of warty, until you change sources.list...12:48
pantz_xxorrorxx, it makes themes look cool12:48
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phlaegelxxorrorxx: a theme engine just provides functionality for a theme, different ways to draw buttons, gradients, etc.12:48
lamont__but warty will all but stop changing (other than security issues) in about a month.12:48
lamont__...12:48
xxorrorxxphlaegel: whats the best place to find new themes/engines art.gnome.org ?12:48
phlaegelsure, or gnome-look.org12:49
sivangxxorrorxx : you can install all sid's available gtk-engines12:49
pantz_oh ok12:49
sivangxxorrorxx : which add quite a nice look and feel, plus extra thems also from sid's repository12:49
pantz_lamont__ so when warty is done - i change my sources.list - which i then set to the next version and  away it goes?12:50
sabdflpantz_: yes12:50
pantz_yay!!!!12:50
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sivangxxorrorxx : just add the "universe" keyword to the apt sources list,12:51
tritiumjdub, are you also the maintainer for evo-exchange 2.0 for plain ol' debian?12:51
xxorrorxxsivang: already did12:51
sabdflpantz_: we hope to make that even easier... when a new release comes out, upgrading warty will ask you if you want to move to the newer release12:51
sivangxxorrorxx : and apt-get install <whatever>12:51
xxorrorxxsivang: what are the package prefixes so I can just use a wildcard ,Besides gtk-engines , which I already did12:51
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pantz_sabdfl, niiiiiice12:51
sivangmdz : this channel is also for development discussions, or there will be a special channel for this?12:52
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mdzsivang: currently yes, but we will probably split out into a separate channel sometime soon12:52
mdzsivang: considering that the population here has exploded :-)12:52
toryspell checking doesn't seem to work in OO.org12:53
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tvonmissing aspell and a dictionary, perhaps?12:53
m_tthewtvon: I think there is a bug filed already, maybe fixed already12:53
mdztory: the dictionaries are missing, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=125712:53
torymdz: thank you12:54
sivangmdz : ahh, that's mighty good! as more users we have, the better we get!12:54
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lamont__mdz: and I think it's just a matter of sync'ing the package12:54
sivangxxorrorxx : sec12:54
lamont__mdz: the other question is whether or not OO.o should depend on the spell package, rather than suggest...12:55
lamont__??12:55
xxorrorxxsivang: gtk2* is one , gtk-engines is one too12:55
sivangxxorrorxx : gnome-themes, gnome-themes-extras 12:55
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xxorrorxxsivang: apt-get install gtk2* , apt-get install gtk-engines* installs a TON of 1.x 2.x themes12:56
sivangxxorrorxx : i happen to like them very much, i usually switch them alot12:56
xxorrorxxbut a bunch of random stuff too12:56
xxorrorxxheh12:56
torymdz: any idea what I need to download12:56
torythe bug report just says that stuff is missing12:56
sivangxxorrorxx : plus because theme installation in gnome is no easy, you can do it "manually" from the gnome looks website12:57
xxorrorxxis there a good tutorial on developing gtk2/gtk/metacity/icon (theme/GUI) related stuff ?12:57
sivangmdz : is there a sounder cd anymore?12:57
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kl_xxorrorxx, http://ajgenius.us/12:57
sivangmdz : ahh, that'd be put better that way: Where is the the spec for the new cdimage structure? :)12:58
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xxorrorxxkl_: your site ?12:59
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kl_xxorrorxx, nope01:00
kl_there's a hidden wiki btw. http://www.ajgenius.us/gnome/Themes/Tutorials/ this one should have more info01:00
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xxorrorxxkl_: what about gnome coding in general , and user interface design01:02
WebWizoi everybody01:02
kl_xxorrorxx, developer.gnome.org then :)01:02
WebWizkudos to ubuntu linux, looks great01:02
WebWizjust wish my sound worked! :)01:02
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keiferI always wish that. i'ts hard to get support for soundsticks. :P01:03
keiferI always wish that. i'ts hard to get support for soundsticks. :P01:03
keiferdho, lag, sorry. :\01:03
WebWizoi thecombatwombat ;)01:03
WebWizYeah, i have 810 comptabale sound, and its not workin!01:03
thecombatwombathey WebWiz01:03
xxorrorxxyeah Im loving ubuntu, works out of the box for the most part01:04
xxorrorxxand the problems have been pretty minor01:04
WebWizonly things i don't have are sound and wifi01:04
keiferit osunds good, and will proably be easyer to install then fedora-ppc. :)01:05
sivangWebWiz : what version did you use to isntall? (the sound problem got fixed)01:05
WebWizumm01:05
LoneTechlooks like my sound driver is blacklisted as far as hotplug is concerned.01:05
WebWizwarly-i386.iso01:05
xxorrorxxwebwiz: what soundcard , wifi card .. are the supported under a different dist of linux01:05
sivangWebWiz : what sound card do you have?01:05
lamont__mdz/jdub: I guess I should send email, but please bless #131401:06
WebWizmy souncard usus the OSS i810 driver01:06
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xxorrorxxlamont: thats such an easy fix01:07
WebWizWireless LAN card (Dell TrueMobileTM 1300 (802.11b/g) mini PCI)01:07
lamont__xxorrorxx: exactly.01:07
WebWizIntel soundcard (ICH3/SigmaTel STAC 9750 AC97)01:07
xxorrorxxlamont: meaning do it yourself , its pretty minor compared to some of the other bugs01:07
tritiumThe gnome 2.8 release notes seem to imply that evolution 2.0 supports Exchange accounts (without a separate plugin).01:08
WebWizxxorrorxx, yes they are supported under different linux*01:08
WebWizhttp://people.web.psi.ch/windiks/latitude-d600/#audio01:08
lamont__xxorrorxx: I'm already hacking on xchat for another crit bug, and that was one we wanted to fix, too...01:08
tritiumAnd it also mentions supporting Rendezvous without any reference to libhowl.01:08
WebWizhow do i know if the "sound bug" is fixed in my release?01:08
phlaegeltritium: it's a plugin. it was installed by default for me in ubuntu.01:09
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phlaegelexchange support, that is01:09
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tritiumphlaegel, thanks01:09
tritiumphlaegel, do you have libhowl0 installed?01:10
crbI found out why I didn't get any sound in Ubuntu.  The 'headphone' channel was muted.01:10
crbBut I'm not using headphones!  Why isn't it called 'master' any more :)01:10
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phlaegeland nautilus support dns-sd to discover things like file shares. doesn't seem to need libhowl to do it, either.01:10
tritiumphlaegel, oh, excellent.  Thanks again.01:10
lamont__xxor_: it was a bug I discussed with mdz last night, and probably the reason I got the ISO8859vsUTF8 xchat bug today...01:10
lamont__but uploads require blessings these days, you see..01:11
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martinaldhello01:12
martinaldgot nearly everything working01:12
martinaldapart from: back forward on my intellmouse explorer01:12
WebWizmust be nice01:12
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martinaldand mp3 playback01:12
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martinaldanyone know how to fix my mouse problem? aparently i need to use a utility called 'ilmouse' or similar but i can't find it01:13
ReporterXHello all!01:13
martinaldhi01:13
=== lamont__ admits to being iso-8859-1 input-method clueless... anybody got a hex dump of an accented iso-8859-1 character?
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spivlamont__: man latin1 ? :)01:14
ReporterXAnyone  knows if ubuntu supports network installation throught wireless usb device  (atmel chip) ?01:14
spivlamont__: Or hit ctrl-k then e' in insert mode in vim...01:15
lamont__spiv: so single octet per character, using the msb to make it pritty01:15
mdzReporterX: not quite01:15
mdzReporterX: the firmware is not available in the installer01:15
mdzReporterX: but after installation, it should work out of the box01:15
ReporterX:-(01:15
spivlamont__: yeah, it's 8-bits per char.01:15
martinaldreporterx: do you not have a cd burner?01:15
spivlamont__: man latin1 :)01:16
ReporterXmartinald: yes... 01:16
spiv(or man iso_8859-1 if you prefer...)01:16
lamont__spiv: in insert mode, LANG=POSIX, c-k, e, " gives me a quote character...01:17
lamont__but ' works...01:17
lamont__damn fonts01:17
spivlamont__: :)01:17
ReporterXwhere i can get .deb for atmel firmware ? I never worked with debian based distributions...01:17
mdzReporterX: it's included in our standard kernel01:18
lamont__ xchat01:18
lamont__Segmentation fault01:18
lamont__kewl.01:18
ReporterXmdz: Thanks.... i'm going to download the ISO file.01:19
lamont__mdz: I think it'll be a 2-line patch: gotta disable autoconnecting to debian, and enable autoconnecting to ubuntu...01:19
lamont__:-)01:19
martinaldwhy does ubuntu not ship IMwheel?01:21
Hrdwr_BoBbecause it's not needed?01:21
kokemartinald: what's imwheel for??01:21
kl_autconnecting to ubuntu? does ubuntu have its own irc server?01:21
martinaldto use mouse4 and mouse5 on my ms intellimouse as back/forward in web browsers01:22
martinaldhrdwr: plese explain?01:22
Hrdwr_BoBmartinald, you can change that in the browser settings01:22
Hrdwr_BoByou don't need an external program to do it01:22
martinaldreally?01:22
martinalddo u have a guide?01:22
Hrdwr_BoByes01:22
Hrdwr_BoBimwheel has been obsolete for a long time01:22
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khalekimwheel is from like before x supportted scrollwheels01:23
diemanim so happy to leave work today01:23
Hrdwr_BoBI don't have a guide, but I can check it out here for you01:23
toothpickWhat is the default root password?01:23
tsengthere is none01:23
tsenguse sudo01:23
Hrdwr_BoBtoothpick, there isn't, use 'sudo program'01:23
Hrdwr_BoBand put your password in01:23
diemansudo su01:23
diemanfor instance01:23
martinaldBoB. thanks very much01:23
tsengsudo -s does that01:23
martinaldi'm using FF 0.901:23
Hrdwr_BoBeg: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list01:23
toothpickfrom console logon I can do the same?01:23
tsengdont run sudo su01:23
diemanheh01:23
diemantseng: habit01:23
kokelamont__: yep, just a 2-line patch :)01:24
toothpickSo I can...from console type as a regular user sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and edit it?01:24
tsengyep01:25
tsenguse your users password to authenticate01:25
lamont__the initial user is added to /etc/sudoers for you.01:25
toothpicktseng: ok thanks, cause I tried to install nvidia drivers and now x won't start so I want to at least go back to what I had prior to messing up x totally.01:26
kokehttp://sindominio.net/koke/patches/patch-xchat-ubuntu-channel.patch01:26
martinaldbob: you still with me?01:26
Hrdwr_BoByeah01:26
Hrdwr_BoBit appears you can't do that01:26
diemanlamont__: are there plans for adduser to add to groups/sudoers if you want?01:26
Hrdwr_BoBhowever01:26
lamont__dieman: file a wishlist bug01:27
diemanlamont__: ok01:27
lamont__but I don't think there are..01:27
Hrdwr_BoBalt+mousewheel might do it01:27
lamont__the expectation is that the first user is the admin, ergo...01:27
diemanlamont__: do any of the user management frontends do so?01:27
kokeIMHO it should be better to work on gnome-system-tools01:27
martinaldnope doesn't work01:27
martinaldhow is everyone else utilizing there back/forward mouse buttons?01:27
crbIf I try and use nautilus to browse the Windows domain in Ubuntu, I get "The folder contents could not be displayed."  "Windows network:DOMAIN could not be found.  Perhaps it has recently been deleted."  The DC is a Windows 2003 machine; is this likely to be a Samba issue, or should I raise it with the ubuntu bugzilla?01:27
martinaldor is no-one using a mouse with 5 buttons01:27
Hrdwr_BoBmartinald, do you mean the extra buttons on the side of those ridululous MS mice01:28
Hrdwr_BoBthat you always accidentally hit and go back01:28
Hrdwr_BoBand it screws yup your form01:28
martinaldi love them01:28
Hrdwr_BoB*up01:28
martinaldplease don't bitch at me01:28
Hrdwr_BoBI despise them with a passion :)01:28
martinaldwell thats just great01:28
Hrdwr_BoBcaused me lots of greif01:28
Hrdwr_BoBbut01:28
martinaldbut i happen to like them01:28
Hrdwr_BoByou can use them01:28
martinaldhow? how?01:28
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Hrdwr_BoByou would have to tell X your mouse has 7 buttons01:29
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martinaldi already have01:29
Hrdwr_BoBand then you would have to find a firefox configuration plugin that let you change function mappings01:29
dieman128 requests currently being processed, 15 idle workers01:29
diemanyay.01:29
diemanits finally slowing down01:29
martinaldthe problem is mapping those 2 buttons to back and forward01:29
Hrdwr_BoBdieman, that looks sane :)01:29
martinaldwhich is exactly what imwheel does01:29
nictukuwhat dieman?01:29
martinaldbut apparently thats obslete01:29
nictukuwhat installer is ubuntu using? d-i?01:30
diemannictuku: ftp.cs.umn.edu01:30
nictukuoh I'm there too hehe01:30
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diemanelmo_: heh, finally made it out?01:31
nictuku3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510582097.org lol01:31
diemanthanks :)01:31
kl_3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592.jp :)01:32
diemanif its too long, irc doesn't show it :)01:32
diemanwell, hybrid based servers in paticular01:33
kl_hehe, domain name length limitation kicks in first :)01:33
diemanbut, since everyone uses hybrid :)01:33
sivangdieman : i thought you used some kind of a hack to stash away your ip :)01:33
crbhow many of those digits are 'active', nictuku?01:34
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lamont__        realname = g_locale_to_utf8 (realname, -1, 0, 0, 0);01:34
lamont__which is bad when LOCALE doesn't match the data...  sigh.01:34
nictukucrb, /whois dieman01:34
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rennershi... newbie here, just unstalled ubuntu... can I ask some questionns please?01:35
Hrdwr_BoByes01:35
diemansure01:35
Hrdwr_BoBmartinald, hrm.. seems like a reasonable enough thing to do01:35
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diemanmmmm. gprs.01:35
Hrdwr_BoBmartinald, add universe to /etc/apt/sources.list01:35
Hrdwr_BoBand then apt-get install imwheel01:35
lamont__elmo_: #1257 is for you...01:35
rennersok... screen res is set to 1024... looks kinda small on my TFT monitor, I need to change to 1280 but can't see how?01:35
Hrdwr_BoBrenners, in the computer->settings (iirc) menu01:36
Hrdwr_BoBthere's a resolution changer01:36
rennersmax res available is 1024?01:36
nictukustart -> configurations -> control panel -> dislpay HEHEHE01:36
punkasshave a shared printer on a XP box...trying to connect to it ,it finds it on the network no problem, but just when OK to finalize setup it ask for a username and password, but there is none required.01:36
Hrdwr_BoBrenners, does your monitor do 1280 ?01:36
Hrdwr_BoBthat's what your monitor has reported itself as doing01:37
rennersyes, it's TFT, native res 1280x102401:37
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parisiHey guys01:37
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Parisiwow01:38
ParisiChannel just keeps getting bigger and bigger ;001:38
Hrdwr_BoBrenners, that's a bug :)01:38
diemanUS Secretary of State Colin Powell says he hopes to be able to remove Saudi Arabia from the State Department list of religiously intolerant countries.01:38
diemanack01:38
diemanmisfire01:38
diemanwrong chan01:38
Hrdwr_BoBdpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8601:38
nictukuubuntu is very promising. I hope you guys suceed.01:39
Hrdwr_BoBwil re-configure X and you can fix it there01:39
rennersoh no!!!!! any work around?01:39
lamont__dieman: but how else will we get the OT news???01:39
diemanlamont__: haha01:39
punkasslol01:39
diemanlamont__: yeah, you've been fairly removed i guess because of release ;)01:39
Hrdwr_BoBrenners, but if you can hang around, sometime when daniels is on, let him know baout it01:39
Hrdwr_BoBor email him at daniels@fooishbar.org01:40
tsengif fooishbar is up01:40
Hrdwr_BoByeah01:40
rennersthanks bob01:40
ParisiHow would i check my processor fequency from a command line?01:40
Hrdwr_BoBParisi, cat /proc/cpuinfo01:40
ParisiIm pretty sure its running at a lower speed :(01:40
ParisiYup,  i was right.01:41
ParisiHrdwr_BoB,  thanks.01:41
elmo_lamont: huh?01:41
Hrdwr_BoBno worries01:41
rennersanother dumb question... I dont much like gnome, can I install KDE on ubuntu?01:41
elmo_openoffice.org-dictionaries | 20030813-3 | warty/universe | source01:41
Hrdwr_BoBrenners, yes and no ... mostly no01:41
ParisiNow way!01:41
Hrdwr_BoByes, in the future01:42
ParisiGnome all the way!01:42
Hrdwr_BoBcurrently, not really01:42
lamont__elmo_: why didn't that package make it into at least universe???01:42
ParisiIf you really like kde id suggest you another debian based distro.01:42
ParisiMepis is a pretty good one.01:42
lamont__elmo_: or rather, we need to get it into at least universe...01:42
ParisiSorry for jumping in into the conversation btw, heh.01:42
elmo_lamont: ITS IN UNIVERSE01:43
Hrdwr_BoBit's IRC, jumping in is what it's all about01:43
Hrdwr_BoBI should be working anyway01:43
Hrdwr_BoBor at least getting coffee01:43
ParisiHehe.01:43
elmo_lamont: openoffice.org-dictionaries | 20030813-3 | warty/universe | source01:43
ParisiI just left work.01:43
lamont__hrmpf.01:43
lamont__ok.01:43
lamont__%_*&+(}IPO it's one of them thar arch all packages, isn't it.01:43
lamont__damn arch all01:43
lamont__seb128 about?01:43
ParisiHow would i be able to disable my external monitor connected on my lappy? anyone would have any clue by any chance?01:44
seb128lamont__: what ?01:44
ParisiUnder windows i can use a simple combination of keys.01:44
lamont__g_get_real_name is part of gnome, yes/01:44
lamont__>01:44
lamont__?01:44
seb128yes01:44
xxor_there a problem with xmms DIST writer plugin .. doesnt write .wav's01:44
ParisiI hate how laptop support under distros just plain sucks01:44
seb128lamont__: glib's function01:44
lamont__well, if you pass it an iso-8859-1 name (say from /etc/passwd), it returns null...  This kinda pisses off other places that expect realname to be non-Null...01:45
seb128you have to pass utf-8 strings to glib functions01:45
seb128or it raises an error01:45
lamont__elmo_: my bad - I looked at w-b, not the archive.01:45
lamont__seb128: #1299 is caused by that...01:45
seb128g_locale_to_utf8 ()01:45
seb128to convert iso to utf-801:46
lamont__yeah - that func sorry01:46
lamont__but when locale is en_US.UTF-8...01:46
lamont__it returns NULL01:46
lamont__when given ISO-8859-1 data01:46
seb128check with g_utf8_validate ()01:46
lamont__glib2.0 source?01:46
seb128and use convert is the result is false01:46
Hrdwr_BoBxxor_, what is the problem/error01:46
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seb128lamont__: I'm using devhelp to browse the API, very handy01:47
lamont__seb128: if I force things happy in the one place that xchat does that, then we die in pallette.c in some shared lib....01:47
seb128lamont__: ?01:47
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seb128lamont__: just use g_utf8_validate () and according to the result g_locale_to_utf8 () or not01:48
seb128so you're sure to get an utf-8 string01:48
lamont__grab source for xchat, help src/common/cfgfiles.c:551 ish to never let realname be NULL.  stuff an iso-8859-1 char in your user name in /etc/passwd, locale = some UTF-8 locale, and run xchat.01:48
lamont__seb128: it's not in xchat... it's in some shlib somewhere..01:49
seb128ok, let me check01:49
lamont__oops.01:49
lamont__src/fe-gtk/palette.c01:49
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lamont__ok.  I need to run to class, will figure this out afterwards...01:50
seb128ok01:50
lamont__seb128: nm looking..01:50
egon_spenglerquit01:51
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xxor_Hrdwr_Bob: forget it .. its just buggy01:55
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tsenghmm, how can i resolve an irq conflict02:06
tsengit looks like pcmcia and my ipw2200 both want irq702:06
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tseng...02:07
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neighborleebios maybe or move card to another slot if poss.02:12
djempaktseng, can you assign IRQs using your BIOS setup?02:12
tsengno idea02:12
tsengneighborlee: its a laptop...02:13
neighborlee:)02:13
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neighborleehello ?02:20
neighborleeboy its quiet all of a sudden02:20
elmo_kamion: did you see my earlier comments about framebuffer?02:26
elmo_kamion: also, sarge rc-1 works on the machine, with linux2.6, and ignore my blabbering about the device name earlier, sarge uses /dev/cciss/c0d0 just fine02:26
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torywhen I use the industrial theme the desktop emblem overlaps the text :(02:37
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scapegoatanyone else notice that it didn't let you set a root passwd? and i don't know what it is? :P02:40
toryuse sudo02:41
scapegoatsudo. gah02:41
torysearch the website. I think it says that you can set a root password02:41
scapegoatya i shoulda done that first ;) thx02:41
jblackYup. sudo passwd02:41
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scapegoatthis is a wicked distro02:43
toryyeah :)02:43
twisted_steeli'm tempted to toss it on my laptop02:43
keiferyeah, I was surprised, for me, it's running faster then gentoo did.02:44
twisted_steelthough I should be using it for homework :)02:44
neighborleekeifer, yeah its nice and fast ;-)02:45
neighborleewhat a bonus ;-)))02:45
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jblackhiya ancker02:46
anckerlaptophowdy02:46
scapegoatgnome 2.8 is wicked too02:46
twisted_steelthe computer menu looks quite nice in the screenshots02:47
keiferI can't stand the themes for it, but I can deal with that... (/me runs off to crystalgnome.org)02:48
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anckerlaptoplooks nice...I'm not a gnome user though...any ideas on when KDE will be included?02:52
twisted_steelI think I saw something about that in an article02:53
jblackancker: Soon.02:53
anckerlaptopokay02:53
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martinaldoh shit02:56
martinaldbig fuckup from me02:56
martinaldi shagged my xfree config file02:56
martinaldgot very stuck02:56
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martinaldso i thought hey.. if i do rm XF* it might force it to rebuild a default one02:56
twisted_steelheh02:56
martinaldbig mistake. most of xfree goes... had to reinstall it all02:56
martinaldhow can i revert my xfree file back to default?02:57
martinaldthe one that came when i installed ubuntu02:57
JStrikemartinald : Isn't there the saved one? The ~ file02:58
martinaldi don't believe so02:58
martinaldi think i'd of noticed that while sitting at init3 ;)02:58
martinaldbut the one xf86config makes is really nasty02:59
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JStrikehe03:00
neighborleehow do I extract a .sh file ?03:01
martinalddoes anyone know where i can find the settings for a hansol 930D monitor?03:01
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Hrdwr_BoBneighborlee, what do you actually want to do03:01
martinaldextract?03:01
martinaldyou don't extract03:01
martinaldyou do sh shellfile.sh or ./shellfile03:01
martinald.sh03:01
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mdzmartinald: dpkg --purge xserver-xfree86; apt-get install xserver-xfree8603:02
neighborleeHrdwr_BoB, well..i'm trying to install theut2k4 retail via a .sh script included on the CD03:03
neighborleeHrdwr_BoB, but..its written FOR gtk1 not gtk2 that gnome2.8 comes with.03:04
neighborleeHrdwr_BoB, thus the problem LOL..they made it for gtk1 compat it seems..so i'm being told to extract .sh file and run it another way03:04
Hrdwr_BoBah03:04
neighborleeHrdwr_BoB, sigh I might just as well use the textual installer and forget it LOL03:04
martinaldok. i'll try it out03:04
Hrdwr_BoBthat's a much better idea :)03:04
neighborleeHrdwr_BoB, they are talking about supporting GTK2 'next time' <G>03:04
martinaldwill that make the original, non xf86config file?03:05
martinaldinstall gtk103:07
martinaldthats easy with apt-get03:07
s0dak1ngmdz:did u ever see that dr_something guy?did ubuntu run on his M6811 laptop03:07
mdzs0dak1ng: I don't know03:08
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martinaldapt-get install libgtk1.2 should do it03:08
sivangmdz : is there a package to install bitorrent in warty?03:11
neighborleesivang, yes03:13
sivangneighborlee : i suppose it comes from sid?03:13
neighborleehave fun ;-)03:13
mdzsivang: the package is named, quite unsurprisingly, 'bittorrent' :-)03:14
neighborleesivang, faik yes 03:14
savsjust installed latest version - serious improvement, actually worked first time, totally impressed!03:14
mdzsavs: thanks!03:14
savsmystified about suspend/resume/acpi power settings though - any hints where they are hidden?03:15
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sivangmdz : hmm , tried that a couple of times, well what do you know? my shaky typing is to blame again!03:15
sivangmdz : :)03:15
mdzsavs: currently we don't automatically suspend/resume because it causes problems on too many laptops03:15
mdzsavs: this is something we will work to improve in the next release03:16
savsok, i guessed that might be the case (it's never worked on this laptop before ;-)03:16
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savsso i assume no gui tools are there for configuring power settings?03:16
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mdzsavs: no, but it does a lot of nice things by default\03:16
sivangmdz : that can be added to a patched version of d-i, to create the suspend partition etc,03:16
savsok03:17
mdzsavs: when you go on battery power, it enables laptop mode in the kernel, sets hard drive spindown times, and throttles the screensaver, for example03:17
savscool - lemme try ;-)03:17
savsinstall log, btw: http://www.andrewsavory.com/blog/archives/000373.html03:17
s0dak1ngmdz:is there a list of languages/input editor ubuntu supports?03:20
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mdzs0dak1ng: nothing I could provide a URL for at the moment03:21
s0dak1ngmdz:does it support any asian input editor?03:22
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mdzs0dak1ng: uim, xim, etc. are available in universe03:22
mdzscim03:22
tsengboo03:23
tsengwhen i close the lid on my laptop it feezes solid03:23
npmccallumtseng: put it in the oven, should warm it up a bit :)03:24
tsengnpmccallum: i love you too03:24
tsenganyway, i stopped apmd and acpid and hit the little button again03:24
tsengsame thing03:24
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tsengrmmod button, hit it again03:25
mdztseng: seems like a bios problem, no?03:25
tsenglocked hard like nate's legs03:25
mdzubuntu doesn't try to go to sleep or anything when you close the lid03:25
mdzcould be an X/console switching problem03:25
tsengit could be03:25
tsengbut gentoo never cared when i closed the lid03:25
mdzbut if it doesn't help to kill acpid, that shouldn't be it03:25
tsengin fact, i had it run radeontool to turn the backlight off.03:25
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mdztseng: boot with acpi=off?03:26
tsengthe only thing i changed in bios was disabling the modem03:26
mdz(or is it noacpi?)03:26
tsengi have pci=noacpi03:26
mdztry acpi=off03:26
tsengwill do03:26
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tsengmdz: that works03:29
tsengexcept for the obvious issue that i no longer have acpi :)03:29
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npmccallumtseng: try nolapic03:30
tsengok03:31
mdztseng: bug please, with dmesg output, BIOS manufacturer/version/date?03:32
tsengdmesg will obviously be before it locks03:32
tsengthe rest i can do03:32
lifelessthe lsb init functions have bash-specific syntax on line 7603:34
lifelessI did an upgrade from a debian system that had dash as /bin/sh. Nothing restarted as a result.03:34
tsengnpmccallum: with nolapic, the button just makes X flash for a second03:35
mdzlifeless: bug please03:35
lifelessmdz: k.03:35
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npmccallumlifeless: which part of that line is the bash'ism?03:36
lifelessnpmccallum: no idea. try running it under dash.03:37
lifelessmdz: our ssl certificate on bugzilla needs refreshing03:38
lifelesswant a bug on that too?03:38
mdznpmccallum: the ${//} substitution03:38
mdzlifeless: sure03:38
mdzthe more, the merrier03:38
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lifelessoh, did jdub forward the warts observed in the installed on wednesday ?03:39
Hrdwr_BoBbug 1224: Need to get milk on the way home03:39
jscnice distro folks... the amd64 version is nice03:39
mdzjsc: thanks!03:39
jscmy pleasure03:39
jscliterally03:40
npmccallummdz, lifeless: I'll fix it now, its actually an upstream bug03:40
jscnvidia works well on it too03:40
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s0dak1ngjsc:what machine u got?03:45
jscmsi k8t neo platinum03:46
jsc3200 03:46
jscamd64... 1 gig ram03:46
jscbfg 6800 03:46
jscalso have an msi k8t neo fisr2 with a 2800 and 512 ram03:48
jsci have used gentoo mostly03:48
jscbut i like to try out different distro's too03:49
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lamonthrm... irc.ubuntulinux.org is NXDOMAIN03:54
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tdicolahello all03:54
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lamontwell, that wasn't so bad...03:55
tdicolais there an warty preview net install iso?03:55
tdicolaer a warty 03:55
lamonttdicola: hrm...03:55
tdicolaa friend of mine saw a mini.iso on archive.ubuntu.com a few days ago03:55
tdicola4.5 megs or so03:56
tdicolabut no luck now03:56
lamontI don't think 4.5 meg would do it...03:56
lamontmaybe 45 meg03:56
lamontI don't see any poking around where they would be.03:57
tdicolayeah he said it had to download everything03:57
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tdicoladoh looks like he found it03:58
tdicolahttp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso03:58
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tdicolawell thanks anyways :)03:58
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schweebwhiprush: no, haven't got suspend yet03:59
schweebanyone in here using suspend to ram in ubuntu?03:59
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tsengnpmccallum: what is nolapic btw04:02
ChrifferI havent tried suspend yet04:03
Chrifferjust tried closing the lid, xscreensaver locked the screen04:03
npmccallumtseng: disables local apic04:05
ParisiHow do i change color scheme under gnome 2.804:05
ParisiI cant even read my fonts on the botton task bar once i installed a osc theme.04:06
Parisiosx*04:06
ParisiSame on xchat.04:06
jdubmorning everyone!04:06
tsenglo jdub 04:06
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punkasshi all.04:08
sivanghmm 5:00 am is certainly morning jdub :)04:08
schweebChriffer: heh, much different than suspend04:08
punkasswhere is a good spot to get all the codecs for totem?04:08
lamontjdub: you wanna review the patch for xchat?04:09
=== sivang just wanted to check this other thing a go to sleep, where did the night go?
punkassgreat distro by the way.04:09
neighborleeguys is it okay to add a real live debian unstable branch..I need audacity and its not in unbuntu ..????;-)04:09
jdubsivang: 1200 (noon) here, i slept pretty soundly after all the release action ;-)04:10
jdublamont: bug#?04:10
jdubneighborlee: it's not in universe?04:10
lamontjdub: 1299 (and 1314 while I'm there...)04:10
Chrifferaudcity 1.2.1 in universe04:10
sivangjdub : me also, but only one day of rest. there too much action since :)04:11
jordidamn04:11
tsengcan anyone play dvds in totem04:11
lamontneighborlee: you mean this one???  universe/sound/audacity_1.2.1-1: Installed [optional:uncompiled] 04:11
neighborleejdub, oh crud I forgot about universe sorry..i'll add it to my sources.list04:12
lamontneighborlee: or which arch are you looking at?04:12
jdubtseng: no, there's no dvdcss support04:12
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neighborleelamont, kewl that works ;-004:12
jdubtseng: but if you install totem-xine (universe) and libdvdcss (available on the web) you can watch dvds04:12
neighborleelamont, nm I forgot about universe..warty is only one in default sources.list ;-004:12
neighborleewarty main restricted04:12
lamontyeah04:13
lamontuniverse is not supported, so it's not there by default.04:13
neighborleeyup04:13
lamontif you're smart enough to add it, you're smart enough to know you're on your own... :-)04:13
tsengjdub: great, thanks04:13
sil^Question: once I've told the installer that I want to install packages from the net, why does it still add the CDROM as an apt source (and a preferred one at that)?04:13
lifelessnpmccallum: #132504:13
npmccallumlifeless: thanks :)04:14
lifelessmdz: what component for bugzilla bugs ? / website bugs ?04:14
jdublamont: nothing more than a one liner for 131404:14
neighborleelamont, of course ;-)04:14
jdub?04:14
lamontjdub: 3 lines, one of them blank. :-)04:15
lamont+       {"Ubuntu Servers", 0, "#ubuntu"},04:15
lamont+       {0,                     "irc.freenode.net"},04:15
lamont+04:15
lamont        {"Debian Servers", 0, "#debian"},04:15
jdublamont: heh, ok, i'll approve ;)04:15
lamontthe other bug is the crit one, and it's patch is a bit longer, with a nod to seb.04:15
lamontand has the patch in the bts04:15
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jdublifeless: what's this for?04:16
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lamontjdub: knife practice, of course.04:16
lifelessjdub: the ssl certificate is wrong on bugzilla04:16
jdubmailing list is heating up :-)04:16
jdublifeless: oh, just UNKONWN04:16
jdublifeless: but it's already reported04:16
lifelessjdub: mdz asked for a bug to be filed04:17
lifelessso I did04:17
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jduboh, i was pretty sure it was already in there04:18
sivangjdub : ironically you used "soundly" to describe how well you slept :)04:19
punkasswhich codecs should i use for totem..xine or mplayer?04:22
Hrdwr_BoBtotem uses gstreamer or xine04:22
jdubpunkass: totem has only gstreamer or xine backends04:22
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jdubpunkass: i'd recommend installing totem-xine04:23
tsengpunkass: xine plays alot more video formats in my experience04:23
punkassok thanks04:23
tsenggstreamer is pretty good for audio04:23
Parisihow come mplayer is not on apt?04:24
Parisio_O04:24
punkassoh i see u can only have on or the other04:24
punkassone*04:25
Hrdwr_BoBParisi, the legality of mplayer is EXTREMELY questionable04:25
ParisiIt is?04:25
Hrdwr_BoByes04:25
Parisihmm...04:25
lamontin some jurisdictions more than others04:25
ParisiStrange.04:25
Hrdwr_BoByeah04:25
ParisiEvery other distro includes it tho :(04:25
Hrdwr_BoBI live in a country where it's not CURRENTLY illegal04:25
Hrdwr_BoBbut it's about to be04:25
Hrdwr_BoBParisi, debian does not04:25
ParisiMepis did, odd.04:26
Hrdwr_BoBParisi, availability does not mean it's included :)04:26
punkasshow does xine sit?04:26
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sivangParisi : redhat does?04:26
testermoof04:26
punkasscompared to mplayer04:26
Hrdwr_BoBpunkass, xine is fine04:26
testerand #1299 falls04:26
sivangHrdwr_BoB : usa?04:26
punkasshow come mplayer is more "illegal"04:26
Parisisivang, fedora, yes.04:26
ParisiOnce you have apt installed.04:27
ParisiMplayer is just a mplayer, dont see how that would make it any different from any other player such as xine.04:27
tsengParisi: it uses binary codecs from windows, for one04:27
sivangParisi : it's included codecs and usage, is convtroversial04:28
ParisiBut wouldnt that be optional?04:28
Parisihehe.04:28
ParisiControversial.04:28
lamontBug List: Critical04:28
lamontNo bugs found. 04:28
lamontkewl04:28
sivangParisi : i'm after a night without sleep, not paying so much attentionto spelling mistakes ..04:29
sivang;)04:29
Parisihmm, i wish my processor would just run at full speed since its plugged in on ac power.04:29
ParisiThis doesnt make sense.04:29
sivangParisi : what brand?04:29
Parisisivang,  no bog deal.04:29
ParisiSony VAIO pIII 80004:29
Parisiit only triggers it back to 800 when i run a program such as a updatedb.04:30
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sivangParisi : i found that there's a bios setting that makes the proccesspr worl full power on ac04:30
ChrifferMy VAIO was running at 134GHz according to the applet04:30
sivangParisi : should be there somewhere, however be adviced that this can cause the machine to heat up a bit04:30
Parisisivang, well, i believe its already set up that way.04:30
sivangParisi : unles you've changed that, it's probably not.04:30
Parisisivang,  i always run at 800 under windows when plugged in.04:30
Parisiwhen i disconnect it automatically drops down to 645 and brightness goes lower.04:31
ParisiI wish Linux would do that as well.04:31
ChrifferIT can but it takes effort04:31
Parisiya, i wish a distro would get that right one day.04:32
ParisiThatw ould be a bless.04:32
ParisiWould*04:32
ParisiI dont mind hibernate/suspend.04:32
ParisiBut this one is a crucial.04:32
ParisiBattery wont even last 3 hours under linux..04:32
ParisiIt just drains very quicky.04:33
Chrifferhehe mine lasts less than 10 minutes04:33
ParisiMost likely because of the brightness settings,.04:33
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ParisiAt this point i have no way to set my brigthness level underr linux.04:33
ParisiWhich is the lame04:33
wasabiubuntu should step out from the pack and ditch sysvinit.;)04:33
Parisihehe.04:34
Chrifferlook at sonypi04:34
jdubParisi: we have great support for most acpi implementations04:34
Chrifferand theres another thing04:34
ParisiI heard of that Chri04:34
jdubParisi: but some require a bit of kernel work and so on04:34
jdubParisi: for instance, my X300 doesn't think it has batteries :)04:34
jdubbut those will be sorted04:34
Parisijdub, thats harsh, another reason to use XP04:34
ParisiAltough more and more i use it less.04:35
ParisiScrew Sony04:35
jdubParisi: depends on what's important to you, of course. but linux moves faster than any other os on issues like this. we'll get there.04:35
ParisiThis is very important to me.04:35
ParisiSpecially on the road.04:35
ParisiI am forced to use XP when im out there.04:36
ParisiIt gives me the best use of my battery.04:36
ParisiWhat choice do i have really.04:36
ParisiAlso, is there a way to add shortcuts to the desktop under 2.8?04:37
ParisiIt just wont let me drag and move it there.04:37
jdubright click04:37
jdub'create launcher'04:37
ParisiWell, just by dragin it tho.04:38
ParisiIs that not possible?04:38
ParisiI justw anna drang a program from my start menu.04:38
jdubyou can also drag from the panel, but not currently from the menu04:38
ParisiAnd put it there.04:38
jsubl2right click and put it on the panel then drag and drop04:38
jdubsorry, yes you can drag from the menu04:38
jdubbut you need to hold the button down04:39
jdubthere is an odd interaction there04:39
Parisihmm..04:39
ParisiJust wont work for me.04:39
ParisiOdd.04:39
ParisiAh  i see..04:40
ParisiI wanted to add a shortcut to my Home folder to the desktop.04:40
ParisiThat wont work.04:40
ParisiPrograms will do.04:40
Parisitho*04:40
lifelessmdz: don't update to ipw2200 0.8 just yet04:41
lifelessits got a few quirks04:41
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Hrdwr_BoBParisi, yeah04:43
Hrdwr_BoBI wanted to do that too04:43
punkasswill the codecs from the mplayer site work with xine?04:43
Hrdwr_BoBit's a sensible user thing04:43
Hrdwr_BoBit just doesn't work yet04:43
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neighborleeis it okay to procede installing libgtk1.2 and *-common ?..dont want to break cause I know if I do I get both pieces ..o_004:46
neighborleeie: its for install of audacity...a much needed music app04:47
neighborleeonly one I know of that does what I need in linux04:47
Hrdwr_BoBthat should be fine04:48
neighborleeokay thx ;-0004:48
neighborleethat might also fix my GUI installer for some games too <G>04:48
jdubneighborlee: but remember that universe stuff is unsupported ;)04:49
neighborleejdub, yes I know04:49
neighborleejdub, not to worry..I know i get both pieces04:49
neighborleeits a risk I must take based on my music production needs04:49
lamontelmo around?04:50
jdubneighborlee: :-)04:50
devkelsohello all, I have some questions about ubuntu...04:51
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jdubdevkelso: this is the place for it04:51
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punkasswhats the best way to watch embedded wmv etc in firefox04:52
bolivaranyone setup a apt server with flash and java yet? hehe04:52
Chriffergxine seems to work04:52
devkelsoI love debian as a distro and gnome as a desktop, and I have been looking forward to an open desktop oriented distro based on the debian04:52
ChrifferI had to setup the plugin by hand though04:53
devkelsohow open are you planning to keep ubuntu?04:53
punkassi just found a xine-mozilla plugin04:53
ChrifferWhere did you find that punkass?04:54
punkasshttp://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/xine/04:54
punkassits new to..just updated today04:54
sivangmdz : is #277 still on?04:55
sivangmdz : i having trouble reproducing..04:55
Chriffergxine was somewhere either in the normal repo or in universe04:55
Chrifferthe plugin installed to /usr/lib/gxine/something and i had to link it to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins04:56
Parisiaha!04:57
ParisiFigured it out how to setup brigtness on my Sony vaio04:57
ParisiOnly from a command line tho, and after executing a specific module.04:58
jdubdevkelso: very much so04:58
sivanggood night people04:58
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=== lamont uploads showimg, under policy.
Adonijah-anyone else figure out how to migrate evolution 1.4.x mail to evolution 2.0 under ubuntu?05:02
devkelsojdub: I am interested in commiting time to a distro, but debian is to political, and fedora to closed.  Are developers pretty welcome here?05:02
jdubdevkelso: definitely :)05:03
jdubAdonijah-: should happen when you first run evo205:03
jdubdevkelso: join -devel05:03
Hrdwr_BoBAdonijah-, it should Just Work05:03
Adonijah-jdub, i got an error when i first started evo2, then it prompted me to setup my mail accounts and started normally05:03
Adonijah-jdub, but it didn't migrate anything05:03
devkelsojdub: good ;)  How do I get involved in the graphical installer here?05:04
whiprushAdonijah-: you could probably do a file->import and choose the mbox file.05:04
jdubdevkelso: well, work has not really started on some of those HoaryHedgehog goals, but join the list, and you'll hear about them as soon as they start ;)05:04
Adonijah-whiprush, dude, i have like 300 mbox files05:04
Adonijah-whiprush, that would take forever05:04
jdubAdonijah-: hrm, d'oh :|05:04
whiprusheek05:05
Adonijah-jdub, the error was something about not being able to start evolution datastore or the like properly05:05
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Adonijah-jdub, how do I reset evolution to get the first time prompt again?05:05
jdubAdonijah-: delete ~/.evolution05:06
jdubAdonijah-: *not* ~/evolution ;-)05:06
jdubAdonijah-: and then perhaps check /apps/evolution in gconf-editor05:06
Adonijah-jdub, I have that backed up ;)05:06
jdubehhhxcellent ;)05:06
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Adonijah-jdub, this is a clean home dir btw05:06
Adonijah-jdub, the only thing I did was untar my evolution directory into home05:06
Adonijah-jdub, err... ~/05:06
devkelsojdub: where is a good todo then?05:07
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jdubdevkelso: bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org 8)05:08
jdubdevkelso: also, on the wiki under HoaryHedgehog05:08
devkelsojdub: I can see you love a good bum rush ;)05:08
jdubdevkelso: the HoaryHedgehog page has our broad goals for the next release05:08
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devkelsojdub: yeah I came prepared, quite unusual for me.05:10
Adonijah-jdub, no dice05:11
Adonijah-jdub, wait a minute05:11
Adonijah-jdub, let me do that again ;)05:11
toryPlease let us know if Mono is important to you or your projects, we are actively researching this at the moment and you could help us take the best decision.05:12
toryI want Mono05:12
toryand Muine instead of Rhythmbox :-)05:12
tsengtory: see the user ml05:12
tsengi posted packages.05:12
toryomg05:12
cleetseng totally rules.05:13
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cleetseng: how is muine, btw?05:13
cleetseng: can it handle a few thousand songs?05:13
tsengsure can05:13
tsengi have ~800 atm in my flac collection05:13
tsengused to have more like 2k05:13
tsengin mp3s05:13
cleedoes it do FLAC?05:14
tsengit does gstreamer05:14
tsengso pretty much anything.05:14
jdubtory: we're looking at including mono in our next release05:14
cleejdub: go for it, piss off hp05:14
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jdubtory: tseng has done some bleeding edge mono packages for warty too05:14
jdubmuine is way ard05:14
jdubrad05:14
tsengthe only thing its lacking is some good shuffle action05:15
whiprushyour vocabulary is def.05:15
tsengif you want to shuffle a big playlist, you still want rhythmbox05:15
toryI added deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./ to my sources.list05:15
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cleeI tend to listen to an album at a time05:15
whiprushtseng: yeah I hate that05:15
cleecan it randomize albums?05:15
tsengno05:15
toryand ran apt-get update but now I have a ton of unmet dependencies05:15
Adonijah-jdub, ok, after evolution-2.0 --force-shutdown, deleting ~/.evolution and ~/.gconf/apps/evolution and then doing a kill -HUP on gconfd, re-extracting my old ~/evolution into my home dir, and then restarting evolution and starting evolution-2.0 for the second time it migrated perfectly, accounts and all05:15
cleewtf05:15
cleeweek05:15
cleeer, weak even05:15
tsengthere are plans to add a "party shuffle" kinda deal though05:15
cleeyeah, I can spell, and type05:15
jdubAdonijah-: heh, that's how it's meant to work first time ;)05:15
jdubAdonijah-: great ;)05:16
Adonijah-jdub, so I think the evolution datastore is squirrely05:16
torythere's no mono-mint05:16
Adonijah-jdub, at least for new user accounts05:16
toryE: Package mono-mint has no installation candidate05:16
tsengtory: nope, you need it?05:16
toryapparently05:16
tsengi built the mono source package, and didnt get it05:16
tsengtory: youre non x86?05:16
toryI've got an Athlon 64 running the i386 version05:16
cleemmm. i386.05:16
tsenghttp://www.jbaayen.dds.nl/proposal.html <-- plan for random playlists in muine05:16
neighborleeno biggie just wondering..are there supposed to be any desktop icons..I dont have any...which is usually my preference but sometimes right clicking CDROM > eject is nice..anyway is this norm ?05:16
tsengtory: yeah.. the jit wasnt released yet I think05:17
jdubtory: didn't want the amd64 version?05:17
jdubneighborlee: no, desktop icons are off. :-)05:17
toryjdub: I tried it out but it had gnome 2.72 and some other stuff05:17
tsengtory: try installing mono-mint from debian unstable maybe?05:17
jdubneighborlee: see the FAQ ;)05:17
neighborleejdub, okay thx thats fine05:17
torytseng: how do I do that :/05:17
Adonijah-jdub, oh, and I dunno that it makes a difference, but i'm running amd64 here05:17
tsengus x86 dudes use mono-jit05:17
neighborleejdub, as I say I usually prefer it ;-005:17
tsengnot -mint05:17
torywell if I apt-get install mono it brings up mono-mint as an unmet dependency05:17
jdubAdonijah-: hrm, probably not05:17
neighborleejdub, I mean usually prefer them off ;-)..I like clean uncluttered desktop ;-005:18
jdubAdonijah-: so you had a totally new user account, unpacked your evolution dir, and ran evo2?05:18
tsengi should throw up monodevelop05:18
tsenganyway, im beat05:19
tsengill see you crazy kids tommorow05:19
Adonijah-jdub, yep05:19
torydoes anybody have a link to that site for pasting code05:19
Adonijah-jdub, just finished setting up my system, logged in, unpacked my evo dir, ran evo2, kablooie05:19
Adonijah-and maybe I did exaggerate a bit, i don't have 300 mboxes, but I do have about 30 or so :)05:20
jdubAdonijah-: okay, so, i think this is a good upstream evo bug05:20
Adonijah-jdub, wished I had grabbed the error when I saw it05:20
jdubAdonijah-: it basically means that if you don't have existing evo config (in gconf), it won't correctly migrate the actual data05:20
jdubAdonijah-: can you ping the evo guys about it? #evolution on gimpnet, or bugzilla.ximian.com05:21
toryhttp://rafb.net/paste/results/QKJLlw15.html05:21
tory^ that's what I get 05:21
Adonijah-jdub, if I can reproduce with a new use account05:21
jdubAdonijah-: cool05:21
Adonijah-jdub, thanks05:21
Adonijah-jdub, sleep time :)05:21
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torytseng: wake up :(05:24
jdubnpmccallum: are you getting upload confirms for your uploads/05:26
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Amrocquestion time...agian!05:26
Amrocif i was to go download the full version of warty, and install that, how easy is that to partition the hard drive or shold i get my brothers help?05:27
jdubAmroc: it's pretty easy05:27
Amrocand is there any way to reverse it back to winblows if needed?05:27
jdubAmroc: but if you need to resize things, i'd recommend using other tools at this stage05:27
bolivaramroc: you can simply accept the default05:27
jdubAmroc: well, if you set up partitions alongside windows, you can choose to boot windows or ubuntu05:28
Amrocso i still have all the stuff i have saved (ie. pics, songs, ect) when i switch?05:28
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bolivarare you running windows or linux now? are you running both?05:28
Amrocwinbows, i think me *cringe*05:29
matthewjsdoes anyone know how to get suspend to disk to work?05:29
Amroci think i know how to get linux on my machine, bug my brother into helping05:29
bolivaryou will need to use a partitioning tool to make room on your drive...or back up all your files and only install linux05:30
toryoic, switching to universe lets me install mono05:30
bolivarif your brave that is ; )05:30
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linux_mafiadoes ubuntu support reiserfs on the install?05:33
bolivarits not the default, but yes you can change it05:33
linux_mafiasweet05:33
cleereiserfs is totally weak05:34
Amrocare you guys getting alot of people inhere now that you made slashdot?05:34
cleexfs fo life05:34
whiprushclee: word.05:34
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linux_mafiadownloading now, went from debian to fedora after 5 years, wanted a bit of spit and polish, now it looks like i'll have the best of both worlds ;)05:34
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bolivaryou wont miss fedora05:35
linux_mafiayeah i only used it for two months, and i wanted to go back to deb, but i also wanted to try something new, so this is perfect timing05:37
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whiprushtime based releases is going to rock05:38
Amrochow well do you think warty will work on an older laptop?05:38
makoAmroc: how old is the laptop :)05:38
sladenAmroc: probably better than on a brand new one---stuff is even /more/ likely to be supported and working.  But yes, depends on the laptop!05:39
makoif it's *real* old, it might be rough05:39
sn0wmanHas anyone else had trouble getting the binary nvidia driver working?05:40
Amrocbout 4 years old05:40
makojordi was running warty on some old laptop i think05:40
makosome pitiful amount of ram05:40
makohe was braver than i05:40
makoAmroc: should be fine05:40
makoAmroc: mine is about that.. maybe 305:40
jsubl2sn0wman, it worked okay for me05:40
Amrochmmm, i think i need to jsut back up files and do full install then, now to figure out how to get files off this machine05:41
sn0wmanjsubl2, so you installed the kernel source, unpacked it, and set Nvidia setup05:41
sn0wman's flag to the path05:41
sn0wmancause that what i did, and it croaks over a gcc version mismatch05:41
linux_mafiai noticed alot of people on osnews were whining about no cd burning app, can you not install k3b? or is it just a matter of adding the right sources? is it in universe?05:42
jsubl2sn0wman, the kernel modules was already there.  I modprobe'd it manually first time. then added it to /etc/modules 05:42
jsubl2linux_mafia, nautilus can burn. 05:42
whiprushthere is a cd burning app05:42
whiprushjust put in a blank cd.05:42
sn0wmanlinux_mafia, nautilus-cd-burner is fine for anything but audio CDs05:43
linux_mafiawhiprush, this i know, but audio cds, vcd's and the like05:43
whiprushsomeone reported earlier that k3b is working now in universe05:43
linux_mafiacool05:43
bolivarlooking on the webpage for anything special i need to do to create some packages....does the page have that?05:45
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jsubl2sn0wman, i just apt-get nvidia-glx plus what i said05:47
sn0wmanjsubl2, yeah, thanks.  I got it working. :)05:48
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ish3 times a charm I hope..  2 toasters down..05:49
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punkassso is there any trick to geting the nvidia drivers to wokr05:52
punkasser work05:52
punkassi change nv to nvidia in XF86config-4 but that just ended up with an error05:52
jsubl2punkass, apt-get install nvidia.  ediit XF86Config-4, add nvidia /etc/modules, modprobe nvidia or reboot 05:53
punkass Couldn't find package nvidia05:54
jsubl2nvidia-glx sorry05:54
punkassPackage nvidia-glx is not available, but is referred to by another package.05:55
m_tthewjsubl2: actually think the nvidia stuff will show up as a choice in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 after the package is installed05:55
m_tthewso XF86Config-4 can be modified that way05:56
punkassso i just run dpkg-reconfigure?05:56
m_tthewpunkass: after you install nvidia-glx, I think so05:56
punkasshmm i cant find that05:56
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jdubpunkass: dude05:56
punkassyes05:57
jdubpunkass: you've installed linux-restricted-... ?05:57
m_tthewpunkass: it's in restriced here05:57
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punkassyes i checked the restricted ones in the repository list05:57
punkassmain restricted universe  05:58
punkassmain restricted 05:58
punkasstho i am getting an error when it trys to get a package list05:58
m_tthewpunkass: you have noth those lines uncommented in sources.list?05:59
m_tthewafaik you want the former and not the latter05:59
punkassDuplicate sources.list entry http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_main_binary-i386_Packages)06:00
punkassDuplicate sources.list entry http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_restricted_binary-i386_Packages)06:00
m_tthewI suspect you have both lines, duplicating main and restricted06:00
punkassoh but glx is comin up now06:00
punkassweird06:01
punkassi am just using what ever was in the sources.lst file06:01
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neighborleeis there a faq for getting nvidia 3d drivers working here...06:04
m_tthewneighborlee: it's been discussed on the mailing list quite a bit, don't know if it's in the faq yet06:06
neighborleek thx06:06
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m_tthewafaik the long term plan is to make it easier to do, so perhaps faq entry is delayed until then06:06
neighborleeic06:07
gardion_Who is the intended audience for ubuntu?06:08
bolivarlinux users ; ) sorry couldnt help myself06:09
neighborleeheh06:09
_1oo7rock on for the 6mo release cycle, btw.06:10
m_tthewgardion_: reading the webpage makes me think people who use linux on the desktop and on servers06:10
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Hrdwr_BoBgardion_, to begin with, I think mostly people who like debian but want something up to date and that is more Just Works06:10
gardion_bolvar: yes but so is redhat and debian linux06:11
bolivarwhat have you used so far?06:11
gardion_Actually mainly debian.06:11
jdubneighborlee: it should be pretty straight forward06:11
jdubneighborlee: install the linux-restricted-modules package for your kernel (apt-cache search linux restricted, and take your pick)06:12
jdubneighborlee: then install nvidia-glx06:12
gardion_Will ubunto have the kde desktop as well or is it choosing to use gnome.06:12
jdubneighborlee: then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8606:12
jsubl2a debian based distro with the very latest gnome attracked me.06:12
matthewjsdoes anyone know how to get suspend to disk to work?06:12
jdubgardion_: gnome by default, but kde is available in our unsupported 'universe' packages06:12
bolivarjdub: you have an apt server address for that?06:13
gardion_See this is what I'm curious about.  It seems that ubuntu and userlinix have made similar choices for desktops and similar support goals  why two distributions then?06:13
jdubbolivar: which?06:13
bolivaruniverse packages06:14
jdubgardion_: different goals in other ways06:14
neighborleejdub, thx..it is just found ML post06:14
jdubbolivar: you add 'universe' to your deb lines in sources.list06:14
neighborleejdub, heh yup..way ahead of ya06:14
bolivargotcha06:14
gardion_such as?06:14
neighborleejdub, heh afterall were talking opengl man!! lol06:14
jdubgardion_: six-month time-based releases, community structure, etc., etc.06:14
neighborleejdub, this is my life yer talking practically ;-0006:15
jdubgardion_: it's a pretty different approach, even though they may look similar on the surface06:15
schweebjdub: was the livecd removed?06:16
gardion_See I'd love to see debian used more be it debian or debian based linux versions but it seems a new distro is popping up every so often.  06:17
jdubschweeb: delayed a little06:17
schweeb:-/06:17
jdubschweeb: you can download older versions here: http://people.no-name-yet.com/~mdz/ubuntu-live/06:17
schweebexcellent06:17
jdubgardion_: this is going to be full-on, seriously commercially supported, etc., etc.06:17
bolivarjdub: i assume the universe packages were rebuilt to work with ubuntu?  the webpage said the stock debian files are not recommended06:18
Hrdwr_BoBbolivar, correct06:18
jdubbolivar: yes, it's all ubuntu-built06:18
schweebmaking a forum post on Ars with a list of the cool shit about ubuntu... need a livecd so they can at least get some semblance of what preview is like06:18
bolivarthank you both06:18
jdubschweeb: please note that it's an older version of the packages and desktop, not up to date with the preview release.06:19
schweebyes06:19
m_tthewand contains bugs that have been fixed already06:19
m_tthew:)06:19
neighborleek time to reboot to get 3d goin ..bbbbbbbRB <<06:19
schweebI'll put a big, red, <blink></blink> disclaimer :P06:19
jdubheh06:19
schweebI'd like to note how it's frigging sweet how fast you guys are on bugzilla responses06:20
schweebmdz was all over like all 4 bugreports I added in like 10 mins06:20
schweebheh06:20
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m_tthewmdz tends to be all over things, I've noticed06:21
whiprushI want to know who made the decision to build firefox without Xprint, so I can hug him.06:21
schweebwhiprush: xprint was always sort of an addon06:21
schweebbut sid may have had it as a dep06:21
whiprushdon't care, hate it. I won't miss it. heh.06:22
toryI can't wait until beagle is stable06:22
gardion_I hope this project goes well.   Is there a list of packages for this project?06:23
m_tthewgardion_: I think there is a .list next to the .iso images06:23
m_tthewbut I don't think that reflects everything in main & restricted -- but I don't know for sure.06:23
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neighborleenvidia! lol06:24
jdubgardion_: see our seed lists in the wiki, and you can always check the archive :)06:26
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crimsunbah, what is dookoo doing in here06:26
schweebit'd be nice if nvidia would fix their kernel module to correctly export the sysfs hooks... really shouldn't have to manually load the driver w/ udev :-/06:26
dukekucrimsun: i use ubuntu on one box :(06:26
crimsun:)06:27
torydukeku: -_-06:27
dukekutory: loool06:27
dukekucrimsun: tory convinced me :/06:27
crimsungood good06:27
toryubuntu is awesome :D06:27
twisted_steelany idea on the hardware support of a brand new thinkpad t42? :)06:27
dukekui should put it on my ib0rk, see if it runs06:28
jdubtwisted_steel: totally rad :)06:28
danielsshould run absolutely fine on both06:28
twisted_steeljdub: I shall try it as soon as I get some free time06:28
dukeku\o/06:28
jdubtwisted_steel: quite a few of the devel team have ibm laptops06:28
twisted_steelexcellent to hear06:29
jdubtwisted_steel: and one of our goals is 'totally rad' laptop support06:29
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jdubback soon :)06:29
twisted_steeljdub: I have no problems with that at all06:29
twisted_steel:)06:29
torythe one thing that made me so happy was not having to tinker with crap like ALSA06:30
dukekuhow's airport support on ppc?06:30
dukekuif it exists at all06:30
whiprushtory: oh god yes.06:30
toryairport works, airport express doesn't06:31
dukekuawesome i don't have that fancy crap06:31
whiprushsarge always loads my alsa and oss modules, so nothing works. ugh.06:31
torywhiprush: I posted in your ars thread (HELLO.JPG)06:31
whiprushtory: oh, heh.06:31
jdubwhiprush: any cool ars stuff up about ubuntu yet?06:31
whiprushnope, for final06:31
m_tthewwhiprush: I had that problem as well, for me it was discover vs. hotplug06:32
whiprushI'll do a full blown review 06:32
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xxor_the internet album lookup tool if rythmbox is on crack06:35
xxor_hehe06:35
xxor_I tried looking up the info for a doors cd I had .. it came up with womens studies and the gold reserve06:35
neighborleelol06:35
xxor_my buddy was like06:35
xxor_wtf are you lookin at 06:36
toryis there anywhere where I can file requests06:36
toryfor crap like: make alt-tabbing prettier06:36
xxor_took me 10 minutes to figure out , where the pages had loaded from06:36
schweebjdub: just the forum post we just did on ars06:36
xxor_ars ?06:36
schweebjdub: btw, is there interest in forums for ubuntu?06:36
schweebor is there talk of it06:36
schweebxxor_: http://arstechnica.com06:37
Hrdwr_BoBthere is talk of it06:37
Hrdwr_BoBneed to decide on a platform06:37
toryI just hope they don't end up like the gentoo forums :P06:37
torywutz ur cflagz?//??06:38
tory----------------------------06:38
toryintl p4 2.4 @ 4Ghz w4t3rc00led / GeIl RaM - 2.5 GiGz / M$ Mouse06:38
whiprushheh06:38
whiprushyou forgot the gcc3.4pre6cvs, love sources, ~86, GNOME 2.8.206:39
schweeb*cough* funroll-loops.org06:39
toryschweeb: I love that 06:39
xxor_bleh .. sun is fucking lame06:40
xxor_they sold out openoffice which they base thier source for staroffice .. to microsoft06:41
matthewjsdoes anyone have a centrino laptop with suspend to disk/ram working?06:45
dukekutory: GEIL RAM06:46
_1oo7" ja, fick mir bitt06:46
_1oo7e06:46
schweebI couldn't get suspend working on my Dell i8200 (P4m)06:46
schweebHEIL UBUNTU06:47
torydukeku: duud those flashing lights mean that your RAM is working06:47
highvoltageI have a IBM T4106:47
ParisiSony Vaio here.06:47
dukekuwtf i just bought this cold cathode an hour ago and gkrellm isnt showing the temp06:47
Parisiand linux support sucks on it06:47
highvoltageI made lots of tweaks but I can't remember what I did to make it work06:47
matthewjsi have a sony vaio z106:47
matthewjseverything works06:47
highvoltageI think it was an append "acpi=off apm=on" to the kernel06:47
highvoltagein grub.conf06:48
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matthewjscept for suspend06:48
torymy only complaint about ubuntu is the name :(06:48
ParisiIts only A PIII 80006:48
toryI'll probably get used to it though06:48
schweebI used to have suspend to ram working on Sid06:48
highvoltagehehe06:48
Parisimatlads what would be everything?06:48
dukekumy only complaint?06:48
sub_popis there a ubuntu install FAQ?06:48
dukekuthat i don't have another monitor06:48
highvoltageWhere do you live tory?06:48
dukeku:(06:48
dukekuto run it on :((06:48
schweebbefore I did an install to ubunti :-/06:48
ParisiBrigthness, suspend, speed step?06:48
dukekuso right now my unbuntu box is sitting in my closet06:48
toryI'd rather have the name be "Canonical Linux"06:48
highvoltagespeed step worked out of the box for me :)06:48
dukekutory: what about ubuttu?06:48
toryhehe06:48
Parisihmm, speed step acts up on me.06:49
matthewjsya brightness and speed step06:49
Parisibrightness?06:49
ParisiHow?06:49
matthewjsradeontool06:49
ParisiHow do you adjust it?06:49
matthewjssonypi06:49
Parisimeh ;p06:49
Parisihmm...06:49
highvoltageThe only thing I didn't like about the ubuntu name, is that it's way overused in South Africa06:49
matthewjsyou can set it up so the function keys work06:49
ParisiDedtials on how you managed to get it working?06:49
ParisiYes!06:49
highvoltageIt's basically lost its meaning06:49
matthewjsto adjust the brightness and sound 06:49
Parisifn keys would be sweet.06:49
Parisimatthewjs how did you manage it?06:50
fabbionemorning guys06:50
matthewjsParisi, http://graphics.cs.uni-sb.de/~rainer/linux-vaio.html06:51
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Parisiyou also running ubutu?06:52
Parisiis everything on that link?06:52
sub_popor how about, what's ubuntu's default root password? i don't remember inputting it06:52
plovsanybody know where I can find mirrors of the apt-sources?06:52
matthewjsParisi, im running ubuntu, its on that page or it links to a diff page06:53
plovssub_pop, no root password, use sudo, works ok06:53
matthewjssub_pop, sudo passwd root06:53
Hrdwr_BoBcan we set that in the freaking topic06:53
Hrdwr_BoBbiggest FAQ ever06:53
matthewjsya thats the first thing i ran into,i was like wtf i never set a password for root06:53
sub_popohhhh06:53
matthewjssudo would work for most ppl, but i need root im just so used to doing it that way06:54
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neighborleematthewjs, yeah I must admit doing sudo everytime is a bit of a pita <G>06:54
plovsmatthewjs, sudo bash06:54
plovsand you're root :)06:54
Hrdwr_BoBsudo -s06:55
matthewjsplovs neato :006:55
Hrdwr_BoBand you're root without being dodgy06:55
neighborleeHrdwr_BoB, sweet thx 06:55
matthewjssu; password works fine for me :006:55
plovsany apt-sources for multimedia, flash and java, yet? for the rest all works great06:59
_1oo7doing sudo every time is a matter of getting into the habit07:00
isha good habit07:01
ishcan the gnome desktop be configured to be almost mouseless?07:03
jameshish: it should be.  Sun invested quite a lot in accessibility support07:05
jameshish: and part of that is making the desktop accessible to people who can't use a mouse07:05
whiprushalt-f1, and alt-f2 will take you a long way07:06
ishahh, just found the configuration menu for that...07:06
ishfigure I'd give gnome a shot before start fvwm.07:06
jameshish: you can find some information about the keybindings at http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gap/07:08
ishone other thing (not really ubunto specific).. Is there WEP support in the kernel - the WEP on my card is extremely slow.07:11
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fabbionedaniels: ping07:21
danielsfabbione: pong07:22
sladensniff07:22
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fabbionedaniels: what's the status for ati and wacom drivers?07:24
fabbionedaniels: we need to get them tested if we want them for final07:24
fabbionedaniels: also.. i am reading on the wacom site that we need updates to the kernel modules? is that correct?07:25
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punkassis there something like smb4k for gnome07:26
jdubpunkass: what's that do?07:28
danielsfabbione: yeah07:28
danielsfabbione: yep07:28
jdubschweeb: yeah, we'd like forums07:28
punkassits an pretty slick way of mounting shares07:28
jdubschweeb: but ideally, they'd work with our mailing lists too07:28
punkassit finds all shares on the network07:28
danielsfabbione: wacom is done, ati is about 80% completed (found a couple of bugs along the way), and yeah, i'll do the kernel update stuff07:28
jdubschweeb: so if you know some software that does nntp backend forums...07:28
punkassthen u can just select them and it mounts them to a directory of your choice07:28
jdubpunkass: tried the network places smb browsing in nautilus?07:28
danielsfabbione: i'll do the ati testing in the same way as you did nvidia07:28
punkassyeah..it works good..07:29
punkassbut07:29
fabbionedaniels: there is no need of the kernel stuff07:29
punkasssay in rhythm box i wanna import a folder from a share07:29
fabbionedaniels: it's only for kernel older than 2.6.207:29
danielsfabbione: hrm, ok07:29
fabbionedaniels: please send me the patches and i will build a full ubuntu19 to put on people07:29
punkasswhen i get the dialog box there is no "network" menu item07:29
punkassso i get browse to them07:30
fabbioneone week testing and upload to the archive07:30
punkassget = cant07:30
punkassyou understand what i mean?07:30
fabbionedaniels: the nv driver still has the Xv problem but it's much better than the one we have now07:30
fabbionedaniels: at least it works on some machine where the old one wasn't at all07:30
danielsfabbione: didn't manage to solve the blitter thing?07:31
whiprushpunkass: if it's mounted it shows up in the bookmark section of the file selector when you want to import music in rhythmbox.07:31
jdubpunkass: try hitting ctrl-l in the rhythmbox file selector and typing in smb://...07:31
danielsfabbione: what are your ubuntu19 changes so far? mine are just wacom and ati (with a couple of changes to the upstream ati driver)07:32
fabbionedaniels: not yet. I am working with Overfiend for it07:32
danielsfabbione: cool07:32
fabbionedaniels: nv driver and a fix for a possible FTBFS07:33
fabbionebut i did the integration of the driver as i did it in debian. so it is not just one patch07:33
fabbionedaniels: it is spreaded over the different pathces07:33
ishafter starting an xterm from a gnome menu, I get the spinning pointer for about 10 seconds..07:33
ishany idea why?07:33
diemanheh07:33
Hrdwr_BoBish, is your computer really slow?07:34
Hrdwr_BoB:)07:34
punkasswhiprush: well i can go to the shared music folder in nautilus no prob, but i can not see it in the file selector of rhythmbox07:34
ishHrdwr_BoB: 1.2ghz.07:35
whiprushoh I see, are you browsing it or is it mounted?07:35
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punkassno just browsing...thats why i was asking about smb4k07:35
punkassfor easy mounting07:36
whiprushpunkass: go to file->connect to server in nautilus, choose "windows share" as service type, type in your info.07:36
jdubish: and xterm or a gnome terminal?07:36
whiprushthat'll mount it07:36
ishxterm07:36
ishadded my own menu option...07:36
jdubish: aha07:36
ishit doesn't prevent me from doing anything.. just odd.07:36
whiprushpunkass: then all your gnome apps will have a cool little shortcut to it in the file selector.07:36
jdubish: you need to remove the notification option out of the .desktop file07:36
punkassah slick ok07:36
whiprushpunkass: the cool thing is, you can do that with ftp, ssh, etc. etc.07:37
punkassoh oh..the panel and nautilus just stop working..doh07:37
punkasssweet.07:38
m_tthewwhiprush: heh, with ssh? that is novel07:38
m_tthewwhiprush: rsync?07:39
ishjdub: Do gnome apps notify the caller when loading is done or something?07:39
punkasshmm any thoughts why i dont get a nautilus window when i click home in the menu..i can see another instance of it start up..same when i click 'show desktop'07:40
jdubish: yeah07:40
punkassbut 'show desktop' doesnt do anything either07:40
whiprushm_tthew: don't think so with rsync.07:41
whiprushm_tthew: yeah, so like, you can open up one that is connected to ftp, one that is ssh, and drag and drop between them.07:41
whiprushit's one of my favorite things to show off to people who don't know alot about linux.07:41
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m_tthewwhiprush: I just did, that is very nice07:43
m_tthewwhiprush: I hadn't used gnome until saturday :)07:43
whiprushoh, heh. welcome!07:43
ficusplanetHey everyone.  I switched to Ubuntu last night, and I'm quite certain that in some situations, the fonts look worse than they did in Fedora.  Especially in The GIMP and epiphany/firefox.07:43
ficusplanetWhat could cause that?07:43
m_tthewthis stuff makes me feel like a crusty old man emerging from a dark cave someplace on a mountain07:43
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whiprushm_tthew: what did you use before?07:45
m_tthewblackbox and screen, mostly07:45
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punkasswhiprush: thanks for that...works like a charm..07:46
whiprushwoo07:46
punkassthat is really cool07:46
jdub:-)07:47
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punkasshehe07:47
punkassdid they have that in 2.6?07:47
whiprushthe ftp one is clutch too, because IE's support is so horrid that in a demo people just laugh.07:47
ishany chance of getting hosed by pulling packets out of universe?07:47
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subterrificwow07:48
jsc:)07:49
punkassomg i have an ssh bookmark of my work server...07:49
punkassthat is sooo cool07:49
whiprushyou can mount specific directories too07:49
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whiprushlike "web stuff" "home folder", etc. etc.07:49
m_tthewyeah I mounted my web space07:49
punkasslol..i am impressed07:49
punkassbut ssh.. :)07:49
punkasscool.07:49
npmccallummdz: all those cups bugs should be closeable, pending freeze break approval; patches are available in the bug reports07:50
npmccallumI'm headed to bed, night all!07:51
ficusplanetOK, now that I'm playing with it, it's really only the bold fonts that look bad.  What would cause that?07:51
subterrificpunkass: how are you doing that?07:52
subterrificnautilus?07:52
punkassyeah07:52
punkassFile > Connect to Server07:52
subterrificoh nice, i didn't know it supported that07:52
subterrifici knew Konquerer did that07:52
punkasskonq does ssh too?07:52
subterrificyeah, sftp07:52
whiprushyeah, fish://hostname07:53
subterrificthey call it something weird07:53
subterrificyeah fish07:53
ficusplanetsubterrific: The "Connect to Server..." feature is awesome.  It is my FTP client, my laptop/desktop connection, filesharing network between friends.07:53
punkasscool..didnt know that07:53
ficusplanetIt rocks.07:53
punkassit sure does.07:53
subterrificso i installed ubuntu today at work because my fedora core 1 machine died in an upgrade to core 207:53
subterrificand i'm really impressed07:53
_1oo7remove the notification option out of the .desktop file <--- i looked in ~ and ~/Desktop, but where is the .desktop file?07:53
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subterrificthis is the closest a linux distro has come to being something i'd tell my mom to install07:54
whiprusha nice gui package manager and things will rule.07:54
punkassok here is a silly question tho, other than the file dialog boxes how do i view the bookmarks07:54
ficusplanetwhiprush: What's wrong with Synaptic?07:54
_1oo7.gconf/desktop ?07:54
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jscsynaptic07:55
punkassyou dont like synaptic?07:55
jscin the computer menu07:55
whiprushficusplanet: dunno, kinda not gnomey enough for me07:55
subterrificsynaptic seems fine to me07:55
ficusplanetI like the recent improvements.  I agree that Red Carpet is nicer, though.07:55
whiprushI like how in rc the search is find as you type, and it's a search box right on the main UI07:56
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subterrificoh that does sound nice07:56
m_tthew-jeffm rad07:56
subterrifici didn't really like how synaptic did searches07:56
ficusplanetAnd I like the channels stuff instead of repos, and the way it queues up the packages along the left.07:56
jdubficusplanet: we will have a cooler add/remove app in Hoary07:56
whiprushyeah07:56
subterrifica search for a package isn't really something i think of as needing to be persistent07:57
ficusplanetjdub: Really That is great to here.07:57
ficusplanet*hear07:57
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jduband update notifier and stuff07:57
whiprushwoo07:57
jdubheh, yeah07:57
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whiprushI tried apt-watch with synaptic in sid for a while.07:57
whiprushit wasn't very polished.07:57
ficusplanetjdub: That sounds awesome.  I keep getting more and more reasons to like Ubuntu.  Are you guys looking into NetworkManager and netapplet?  I had a really tough time getting wireless working today.07:58
punkassso is red carpet novells..and open carpet the opensource version of it?07:58
whiprushthe commercial one is part of zenworks now iirc.07:58
jdubficusplanet: see HoaryHedgehog on the wiki :)07:58
jdubficusplanet: we are very interested in NetworkManager07:58
ficusplanetjdub: Cool.  Thanks.07:58
punkassmy boss wants a linux distro put on his laptop (Dell D600) I will put this distro on if its good for laptops.07:59
whiprushthe d600 is very linux friendly, you should have no problem08:00
punkasscool thanks08:00
whiprusha friend of mine has ubuntu on it already08:00
whiprushthe ati card is hw accelerated out of the box and everything08:00
ficusplanetjdub: Would you guys be interested in building a more robust community site?  Or are you wanting to direct support and discussion to the general GNOME community?  I've been considering working on a community site for a while - focusing on support, general info articles, package help, etc.08:00
punkassok here is a silly question tho, other than the file dialog boxes how do i view the bookmarks08:00
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jdubficusplanet: we're in the process ;)08:00
jdubficusplanet: definitely want forums and stuff08:01
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punkassyeah some forums would be nice08:01
jdubficusplanet: but we're looking for some forum software that will work with our mailing lists08:01
jdubficusplanet: so if you konw anything that has an nntp backend...08:01
whiprushI've seen one before08:01
whiprushcan't remember where.08:01
whiprushweb front end to a mailing list, so it's transparent to users.08:01
jdub'cos then we can turn on mailman's nntp stuff08:02
ficusplanetjdub: I'll look around a bit.  I'd love to help out.08:02
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jdubficusplanet: awesome, thanks!08:02
pittiMorning08:02
ishIs there thought put into the default Gnome key short-cuts?08:02
ishOr just more or less arbitrarily chosen.08:02
ficusplanetjdub: I've been wanting to contribute to something like this for a while, but haven't seen a good opportunity.08:03
whiprushjdub: btw I tested ubuntu with freenx today, works fine.08:03
jdubwhiprush: we want to get NX in for Hoary too08:03
jdubwhiprush: want to mail some info to -devel about what you've done?08:03
whiprushfor freenx?08:04
punkassis freenx are replacement for vnc?08:04
punkassare = a08:04
subterrificjdub: you guys have done a fantastic job. congrats08:04
whiprushit can be yes.08:04
jdubsubterrific: thanks! :-)08:05
jdubwhiprush: yeha!08:05
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sladenwhiprush: yes and no.  Some of the recent patches allow reattaching in the same way as VNC08:05
punkasswhiprush: am i able to view those bookmarks i made other than in a file dialog box?08:05
whiprushokey08:05
subterrificjdub: dunno if it means anything to you, but i've been a mac user since 87 and this is the first linux distro i feel can be compared to Mac OS in terms of easy of use and polish08:05
jdubwhiprush: so dude08:05
jdubwhiprush: at guadec in norway08:05
jdubwhiprush: HP sent a bunch of thin clients with NX support08:05
whiprushpunkass: in your "network" icon in the menu08:05
ishYeah.. Feels good so far..  Installed over my mandrake..08:05
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jdubwhiprush: and a four way HT xeon server with 16GB ram08:06
jdubwhiprush: it was *incredible*08:06
whiprushsladen: like screen for X, that rules.08:06
punkassoh haha doh... thanks08:06
whiprushjdub: heh.08:06
whiprushI use nx on my laptop so I can use my desktop over wifi. You can't even tell it's remote.08:06
punkassjdub: 16Gigs o ram..thats crazy.  I just set up some thinclient at work using ltsp but my server is only a 2ghz with 1g o ram08:07
jduboh, it was using gige network too08:07
jdubyou could watch videos reasonably well08:07
subterrificwow08:07
whiprushthe ltsp guy is local to me, he says he already has a guy working on it.08:07
subterrifici need to try nx08:07
whiprushto put nx in ltsp I mean08:08
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punkassyeah..i overheard them talkin about it in irc08:08
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punkasswell i guess i didnt over"hear" them :)08:08
whiprushhey alextreme 08:08
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alextrememorning08:08
jdubKamion: heard of any more usb cd install probs, specifically finding the cd device?08:09
whiprushheh, still can't believe how polished this first release is.08:09
subterrificme either08:09
whiprush"Whoops, we smoked every distro on our first preview release."08:10
punkasswhat do you guys use for a text editor..coding etc.. i use Editplus on windows at work...08:10
jdubhey alextreme 08:10
punkassyeah i have to give this distro 4 thumbs up08:10
jdubpunkass: a lot of people who like editplus like gedit08:10
subterrifici couldn't believe it when i opened an excel document and printed it to our office printer 15 minutes after the first boot08:10
punkassoh yeah?08:11
punkasshmm ill take a look08:11
alextremejdub: gday, how're things down under tonight? :)08:11
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subterrificprinting is something that has never worked right for me08:11
subterrificits the ultimate pita08:11
jdubsubterrific: heh08:11
subterrificand it just worked08:11
jdubi only recently got a printer08:11
jdubpretty rad08:11
subterrifictomorrow is gonna be the real test though08:12
whiprushto me the power management and other laptop support is the biggest ++ so far for me.08:12
whiprushI mean, the battery applet, the cpufreq applet08:12
jdubwhiprush: we smoked 'em? nice ;)08:13
whiprushgod, that used to take so frigging long to get right by hand08:13
punkassam i able to put icons on the desktop like the trash bin?08:13
subterrificif i can get my dev environment setup, then i won't shut up about how awesome ubuntu is until people start hitting me with staplers at the office08:13
jdubalextreme: very afternoony ;)08:13
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punkasslol08:13
Hrdwr_BoBjdub, I wanted a printer, and then I (no shit) found one that fell off the back of a truck08:13
jdubpunkass: if you go into 'configuration editor' under applications > system tools08:13
jdubpunkass: navigate to /apps/nautilus/desktop08:13
jdubpunkass: you can turn them on again08:13
Hrdwr_BoBunfortuantely it was a lexmark, so is technically worth less than nothing08:13
jdubpunkass: but try for a while without them :)08:13
jdubHrdwr_BoB: i have a rad networked lexmark :)08:14
punkassok ill give it a go..08:14
whiprushlol, vrms is in universe.08:14
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punkass;) i am used to a messy icon explosion of a desktop08:14
Hrdwr_BoBjdub, I have  terrible heap of shit winprinter :)08:14
punkassi have a "we are canon and we hate linux" printer08:14
punkasstho i did find some drivers for it hidden on a japanese site08:15
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whiprushhmmm, ipod isn't automounting08:15
sladenwhiprush: firewire or USB?08:15
whiprushneither works08:16
Hrdwr_BoBif I get excited I will buy a networked postscript printer off ebay08:16
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ultrafunkhas anyone successfully installed the preview ISO from a USB CDR (specifically, a LiteOn drive)?08:16
subterrificjdub: know of anyone installing oracle on ubuntu?08:17
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subterrifici don't actually have to run oracle, just have the client libraries installed08:17
jdubsubterrific: not so far08:17
whiprushgot skype running in ubuntu also.08:19
subterrificoh, i had one issue. in the time and date settings config, i wanted to turn on ntp08:20
Mithrandirisn't it on by default?08:20
jdubMithrandir: no, only ntpdate08:20
subterrificbut it gives me an error saying the system isn't setup for ntp or something, and it isn't very clear how i'd go about doing that08:20
Mithrandirjdub: ook08:20
jdubsubterrific: apt-get install ntp-simple08:20
jdubsubterrific: we have a 'no listening services' policy by default08:21
jdubsubterrific: unfortunately, ntp has to08:21
subterrifick, that might be something good to add to the help or something08:21
subterrificyeah, ntp is poorly designed08:21
jdubhopefully in the future, it can give you the option to install it or something08:21
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subterrificor maybe it could be installed but not running, and give you the option to run it08:22
punkasshmmm my canon printer drivers arnt showing up08:22
punkasseven tho when i browse for ppd can select them it says they are already installed08:23
subterrificor maybe just having that option use ntpdate instead.08:23
whiprushwow, response from my friends and people I know about ubuntu has been awesome.08:23
whiprushI think 6 of us just cold dropped sid today alone.08:23
_1oo7no listening service by default policy is something i can dig, just as long as i realize that's the policy <G>08:24
ishIs it expected that the ubuntu (like the name btw) dev. branch will be as stable as debian-unstable08:25
jdubish: probably more stable08:26
jdubish: but it will include development versions of gnome08:26
jdubish: but those are designed for dogfooding anyway :)08:27
ishI'm giving gnome a few days.. Will probably go back to fvwm tho...08:27
jduboldskool ;)08:27
ishDid Debian-unstable for years...08:27
blha!08:27
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jdubhey reformed 08:27
reformedhey hey08:27
jdubreformed: got time for a call?08:28
reformedfor sure08:28
jdubping me a landline # :)08:28
reformedI don't know what it is...08:28
whiprushany plans for a FF skin for ubuntu? or keeping upstream?08:28
jdubff?08:28
khalekjdub: can't use http://www.openntpd.org instead? Some debian people were making noises about packaging it08:29
whiprushfirefox08:29
jduboh08:29
reformedI'm heading to the Andrea Bocelli gig later tonight, ya me.08:29
jdubactually, no plans08:29
jdubbut there's a theme that uses the gnome stock icons08:29
jdubwhich we could probably fold in08:29
jdubso it will use ours08:29
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punkasshmmm.. i want my canon drivers08:31
whiprushbed time for me gents, nite nite.08:31
punkassi remember this happening with gnome before..i had to use the kde print wizard thing to see them08:32
plovsare usb-keys supposed to be automatic? if so then it doesn't work, if not then all is ok :)08:32
punkassnite whiprush..thanks for your help08:32
subterrificplovs: i think they should be08:32
subterrificcheck dmesg maybe?08:32
subterrificactually i seem to remember something about 2.6.8 series having usb storage problems, but that could have been gentoo specific08:33
subterrificnice, http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=ntpd.conf&sektion=5&arch=&apropos=0&manpath=OpenBSD+Current08:34
subterrific"ntpd(8) does not08:34
subterrific             listen on any address by default"08:34
ficusplanetWhat exactly would "usplash with D-BUS notification" be?08:36
mdzficusplanet: very slick graphical boot process08:36
ficusplanetOh, awesome.08:36
plovssubterrific, dmesg shows it ok, I *could* just add it myself to fstab, but that's the whole point off automagic08:36
mdzjdub: is there any way to get the _full_ subscription list through the mailman web interface?08:36
jdubmdz: not without paging08:37
jdubmdz: do you want a list?08:37
mdzthat blows08:37
mdzjdub: yeah, for ubuntu-devel08:37
jdubok08:37
mdzwant to check that folks are subscribed before I start doing work there08:37
subterrificplovs: yeah it should definitely auto mount08:37
subterrificthats the point of gnome-volume-manager08:37
subterrificsee if it shows up in HAL08:38
plovssubterrific, how do I do that08:38
subterrificits in the system config menu, hardware devices or something08:38
plovsok08:39
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subterrifici'm not in front of a ubuntu system, and i only used it for about an hour ;)08:39
ficusplanetWow, with all the stuff you guys have planned, I can't wait for March 14th.08:39
LoneTechUwell, so far so good. ubuntu actually installed, though it set up sudo rather than a root password, and gave the X server an impossible config.08:39
ficusplanetLoneTechU: sudo is deliberate and good.08:40
Hrdwr_BoBLoneTechU, sudo setup is NOTABUG08:40
plovssubterrific, yes my usb-key shows up in the device manager08:40
LoneTechUficus: yes, I agree.08:40
subterrificplovs: so i'm guessing that somehow the message got lost from hal->dbus->gnome-volume-manager08:41
LoneTechUjust surprising, but a Good Thing - means less new users running as root from habit.08:41
subterrificnot sure what log file you'd check for a related error08:41
ishis it possible to get gnome-terminal to use the standard X 7x14 font?08:42
LoneTechUmore significant, perhaps, is that APM support has not been set up. if laptop-detect works the way I think, that also failed.08:43
subterrificish: does it show up in the font dialog?08:43
plovssubterrific, I'll dig around se what I can find08:43
justin_linuxppchi all, has anyone got a ppp/dial-up connection working? if so how?08:43
ishsubterrific: maybe.. don't know its full name tho.. flipping thru the fonts tho.08:44
ishLoneTechU: APM isn't enabled on my laptop install either.08:44
LoneTechUnor mentioned in laptop-detect08:44
LoneTechUit should probably try to load the apm module if acpi fails.08:45
ficusplanetjustin_linuxppc: You've tried the network configuration tool, right?08:45
_1oo7" maybe an afterboot(8) style manpage, or a little heads up in the first time you login as the user you created in the install... like "hello.  since you made this user during the install, it is configured in /etc/sudoers.  to set the root password 'sudo passwd'" or something similar08:46
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justin_linuxppcficus: yep08:46
_1oo7it might be asked incessantly unless it yells at ppl initially08:46
ficusplanetDid it not detect the modem?08:47
LoneTechUwhy does the X config load both freetype and xtt?08:47
plovssubterrific, fstab-update.sh is not adding my usb-key to fstab08:47
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justin_linuxppcficus: the config tool is a front for wvdial and wvdials not availabel for ubuntu so the config tool not to useful for ppp08:47
justin_linuxppcficus: so no it didnt detect it08:48
subterrificplovs: sorry can't help much without having ubuntu installed08:48
jdubhmmm08:48
ficusplanetwvdial shows up when I search in synaptic.  enable the universe repos and it should show up.08:48
jdubthink we need to work on the firefox defaults a bit08:49
jdubyucky fonts and so on08:49
plovssubterrific, bad boy! :) you should give it a try quite a nice distro08:49
ficusplanetjdub: Yeah, that's been bugging me.08:49
subterrificplovs: i did, i installed it at work08:49
ficusplanetIt's the same in epiphany.08:49
subterrificplovs: i use gentoo at home though08:49
subterrificjdub: yeah, i was surprised you guys didn't have freetype rendering turned on in firefox by default08:50
jdubficusplanet: yeah08:50
scapegoathey, how do i install divx/xvid codecs into ubuntu?08:50
plovssubterrific, ok, you're forgiven, now I go back to my usb-key08:50
justin_linuxppcficus: will give that a go; thanks08:50
LoneTechUscapegoat: you probably want to stick to ffmpeg, which I believe would be included in vlc and xine.08:50
ficusplanetscapegoat: I installed totem-xine from universe.  With that, you can also drop propietary plugins in.08:50
scapegoatalrighty08:50
jdubficusplanet: do you think size 14 is a good default, for proportional fonts?08:51
jdubhrm, i have 12 on my laptop08:51
Hrdwr_BoBjdub, 14C is good08:51
ficusplanetI think 14 is good.08:51
scapegoatLoneTechU, cant find the ffmpeg. i did the totem apt-get and it just wont play any divx/xvid :/08:51
subterrificdoes ubuntu have an ffmpeg package?08:51
subterrifici didn't see one08:51
ficusplanetscapegoat: You need to use totem-xine, instead of the gstreamer backend.08:52
LoneTechUit is normally built statically.. the players just use libavcodec from within ffmpeg08:52
ficusplanetAt least that helped me.08:52
subterrifici need it though, i use ffmpeg in an app at work for audio decoding. i was going to use the lack of ffmpeg on ubuntu as an excuse to try gstreamer though08:52
scapegoatficusplanet, and how would i go about changing that?08:52
ficusplanetEnable the universe repos in synaptic, search for totem.  Install totem-xine.08:52
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scapegoati don't see a 'universe repos' in synaptics08:53
Mithrandirscapegoat: add it to the end of the line with "warty" in it in /etc/apt/sources.list08:54
ficusplanetOr just go to preferences>>Repositories and check the repos that have the word universe under sections.08:54
scapegoatall the lines have warty in it08:54
Mithrandirficusplanet: ok, I don't use synaptic. :)08:55
scapegoatalright ficus08:55
ficusplanetAfter you've selected them, click refresh, then search.08:55
scapegoatthat you ficusplanet, i never knew ficus would be so useful :)08:58
ficusplanetGlad I could help.08:58
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LoneTechokay, I suppose maybe the freetype module does not work and that might explain the ugly fonts.. but who chose white on bright orange?08:59
LoneTechor for that matter, bright orange on bright orange, as the gnome startup progress messages were.09:00
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mdzjdub: can you send me that subscription list?09:03
jdubmdz: i did09:03
jdubmdz: mailed it from rince09:03
mdzjdub: never arrived09:03
mdzthough many other things did in the interim09:03
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mdzjdub: subject: ?09:04
jdububuntu-devel members09:04
mdzmizar:[~]  grep -i 'subject.*members' ~/mail/procmail.log09:04
mdzzsh: exit 1     grep -i 'subject.*members' ~/mail/procmail.log09:04
mdzdude, it never got here09:05
jdubi've sent it to myself09:05
jdubwill forward or resolve the problem09:05
mdzforward me that copy :-)09:05
mdzthanks09:05
jdubyou will get it soon, etc.09:05
punkassstupid canon drivers09:05
jdubright, in and sent09:05
punkassfor some reason kde print wizard can see them...but the gnome one cant09:06
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mdzjdub: arrived09:09
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roofyhey guys09:12
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roofyanyone in here?09:14
LoneTechUyes09:14
roofycool09:14
roofyim downloading unbuntu as we speak, im eager to try this out09:15
roofythough im not clear what the selling point is, it just seems like "yet another linux distro"09:15
roofyis just easy debian?09:15
Tomcat_Easier.09:16
LoneTechUit is debian, basically, but more for the common user.09:16
roofyi see09:16
roofyyea debian is probably the only distro i havent tried ever....09:16
punkassits pretty slick09:16
roofyi can even install frickin aix09:16
Tomcat_I call Ubuntu a "it just works" distro.09:16
Tomcat_But still gives you lots of opportunities.09:16
roofybut i could never get debian installed09:16
Tomcat_Why not?09:17
roofyi see, what does unbuntu have over, suse or fedora?09:17
Tomcat_Ubuntu is a community-based distro, unlike SuSE or Fedora.09:17
punkassits debian based :)09:17
ficusplanetBetter GNOME.09:17
Tomcat_Apart from that... it is debian based.09:17
ultrafunkroofy: it's smaller, for one :)09:17
roofyfedora is a community based project...09:17
roofythat i like :)09:18
Tomcat_Oh... didn't know that.09:18
ficusplanetFedora messes up GNOME in many ways, though.  Absolutely no way to enable menu editing in FC2.  Dumb panel layout by default.  Configuration tools that aren't community supported and not HIGified.09:19
Tomcat_Well, the point "debian based" beats everything else anyway. :)09:19
roofyficusplanet: that i agree with09:19
roofybut still what if i prefer kde?09:19
LoneTechUnot encouraging abuse of root is a nice touch.09:19
ishI'm kinda hoping ubuntu is free of some of the politic issues that bug down debian (or have bogged it down in the past)09:19
ficusplanetroofy: Don't use ubuntu if you like KDE.09:19
roofywhy not?09:20
Tomcat_I like KDE...09:20
Tomcat_I still use Ubuntu.09:20
Tomcat_I'd rather say: "Don't use Ubuntu if you dislike Gnome" :)09:20
roofydont get me wrong, i love gnome, but then again i used fedora-ish gnome09:20
roofygnome is just FAST09:20
jdubif you want a distro that includes KDE, you won't too interested in Ubuntu *just yet*09:20
roofybut there are some things i dont like about it09:20
LoneTechUI beg to differ, but I suppose it may seem fast compared to windows or kde09:21
roofysuch as gtk09:21
subterrificfedora is yuck09:21
ficusplanetWhat do you dislike about GTK?09:21
roofyi prefer qt over gtk anyday09:21
roofyits really hard to skin09:21
roofyand i cant stand the save/open dialogs09:21
roofythe kde/qt ones are much more intuitive09:21
LoneTechUerm, no. familiar is the word.09:22
ficusplanetI love the GTK 2.4 filechooser.09:22
LoneTechUthe only intuitive user interface is the nipple.09:22
roofyw.e it is i cant stand it09:22
roofyits too simple09:22
_1oo7keyboard's pretty easy to figure out too09:22
roofydoes debian/unbuntu use kudzu or a kudzu like system?09:24
LoneTechUI think discover and hotplug and hal take those jobs, basically?09:24
jdubroofy: hotplug09:24
roofyi see09:25
jdubroofy: no kudzu or discover (though discover is used briefly in the installer)09:25
LoneTechUbtw, nice touch with ifrename.09:25
roofyim just curious whether it works as good or better than kudzu09:25
jdubroofy: as good, if not better.09:25
roofyi used hotplug briefly when i was with gentoo09:25
roofydoes it use its own apt repo, or are the debian apt ones compatible?09:26
ficusplanetjdub: How are the X settings configured from the start.  Setting up Ubuntu on my friend's laptop today, I could only get 640x480 until I manually edited the refresh rates to match his SXGA screen.09:26
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jdubroofy: it's own; see the FAQ on wiki.ubuntu.com09:27
roofyeesh09:27
jdubficusplanet: did you install from the preview cd?09:27
ficusplanetYeah.09:27
jdubficusplanet: that might have been an annoying bug we fixed after the cd was done09:27
jdubficusplanet: try upgrading and running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8609:27
subterrificroofy: gtk is much easier to skin than kde. just look at the number of gtk/metacity skins compared to kde 3 skins09:27
ficusplanetjdub: Sounds good.  I'll test again with the final.  Otherwise, he was very happy with the switch from Fedora.09:28
LoneTechUI would guess it tries to use EDID (DDC) data, which is often missing on laptops.09:28
_1oo7i had success with the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 for the same reasons ( wondering how things were configured )09:28
jdubLoneTechU: but we do rad things to make laptop display detectino work too :)09:28
subterrificskinning kde requires writing c++ code, which is insane09:28
LoneTechUjdub: unfortunately not including detecting APM.09:28
jdubLoneTechU: apm is not a display ;)09:29
LoneTechUthis machine is rather exotic..09:29
roofysubterrific: all i know is that i can make kde looks sexier than gnome, any day of the week09:29
LoneTechUno, just a vital laptop feature.09:29
jdubLoneTechU: we have not ceoncentrated very hard on apm; it should work, but we've done more work on acpi09:29
ishis sexy useful?09:29
subterrificroofy: i doubt it09:29
roofyto me it is09:29
mdzjdub: hmm, the email from rince arrived now09:29
LoneTechUit left this laptop with an X config attempting a depth unsupported by the video chip and ignoring the pointing device completely09:29
subterrificplastik is the only decent kde skin09:29
jdublet's not do the kde vs. gnome thing guys :)09:30
roofythats what i use09:30
roofyi think they are both great09:30
LoneTechUjdub: it does work, when loaded. the installer does not try09:30
roofyeach have thier own features09:30
jdubLoneTechU: or, did not fall back correctly on your machine :)09:30
subterrificroofy: have you tried gnome lately? there are about 20 skins just a good if not better than plastik09:30
jdubLoneTechU: bug reports on that would be really good09:30
jdubsubterrific: dude, let's not do the gnome/kde thing :)09:31
subterrificjdub: its friendly, i use both09:31
ishIn the gnome startup sequence.. Does something start for pretty fonts?09:31
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subterrifichehe09:31
LoneTechUthis machine is rather exotic09:31
ishgnome apps running under fvwm don't look so hot.09:31
jdubish: you need to run gnome-settings-daemon09:31
roofy* under fvwm dont look so hot09:31
ficusplanetha09:32
ishjdub: awesome.. thanks.09:32
LoneTechUwhere is it supposed to fall back to apm? it is a module, so must be loaded09:33
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Tomcat_Short question, since I'm on Windows right now... is there an easy way to change the hardware clock behavior in Ubuntu?09:35
roofyanyone run ubuntu on vmware?09:35
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Tomcat_Like... NOT in /etc/default/rcS?09:35
_1oo7i could test on bochs if anyone cares09:35
punkassif i make a bunch of symlinks in usr/lib is there a command i have to run to register them09:35
roofyldconfig09:36
_1oo7but i would think that is more bochs testing than ubuntu testing,... so..09:36
punkassthanks09:36
jdub_1oo7: it works well under qemu, but slowly ;)09:36
Tomcat_Nobody in Ubuntu who has a few seconds of time?09:37
punkassman these canon drivers are evil09:37
LoneTechUtomcat: I can look around09:37
_1oo7jdub ; i was very excited to try bochs on a new PC i bought for the pipe dream of running windows on it and thus being able to rip win98 off my wife's laptop; but i lost my thunder after seeing how !quick bochs ran.  qemu is quicker, but is focused on emulating a linux, rather than a 386, right?09:38
Tomcat_LoneTechU: Just check the settings menus if there's a way to set the clock, and if there is, if you can set the hardware clock to UTC or local time zone.09:38
subterrificjdub: qemu emulating x86 on x86 machine?09:38
_1oo7( bochs being the win98 replacement running overtop of !windows, that is )09:38
roofy_1oo7: quick win4lin vs bochs09:38
jdubTomcat_: no, there isn't09:38
jdubsubterrific: yeah09:38
Tomcat_Okay, thanks.09:38
punkassthere is a check box that says "Use UTC"09:38
jdubsubterrific: not sure if anyone's done x86 ubuntu on ppc ;)09:38
_1oo7roofy : ?, meaning win4lin is faster than bochs?09:38
roofy_1oo7: whats better for emulating windows on top of linux, win4lin or bochs09:39
_1oo7oh, i dunno09:39
_1oo7never have run win4lin09:39
LoneTechUtomcat_: the date and time dialogue offers network sync and time zone settings, but does not mention if the hardware runs local time09:39
roofyoh09:39
roofyanyone use yoper?09:39
LoneTechUUTC=yes in default/rcS09:39
subterrifici'd guess that anything is faster than bochs09:40
Tomcat_LoneTechU: Yeah that's my point... I'm dual-booting, and Ubuntu fucked my hardware clock by setting it to UTC. :)09:40
_1oo7i found bochs to be not be as fast as i was expecting, by a dreamcrushing order of magnitude, so, if win4lin is only a bad-day order of magnitude, i suppose that is a plus09:40
roofylol09:40
subterrificits got to be the slowest emulation software ever09:40
Tomcat_LoneTechU: I know how to change it but I'll file a bug report for this...09:40
roofywell when i tried out win4lin09:40
LoneTechUk09:40
_1oo7i guess it's very busy... ? <shrug>09:40
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roofyit ran faster emulated on linux than it did natively lol09:40
roofyits purely 2d you cant run 3d stuff on it09:41
_1oo7my intent was for IE and wordperfect, not much more elaborate than that09:41
LoneTechUroofy: it does not emulate the whole cpu. win4lin is like wabi, mostly a loader.09:41
LoneTechUit is a bit like running wine with a windows install and all dlls set to native09:42
roofyyea its not meant to run anything other than win98 lol09:42
ficusplanetA little off topic, but have any of you tried pearpc?  It is quite impressive.09:43
LoneTechUor was that some other word? maybe native was looking for .so libs?09:43
roofyficusplanet: isnt that the ppc emulator that they got os x running on?09:43
matladshas anyone had good reports about running ubuntu in vmware?09:43
ficusplanetroofy: Yeah.  It runs pretty well.09:43
ficusplanetI have panther on here right now to test pages in Safari/IE Mac.09:44
punkassis there any other apps i can try to load my canon printer drivers?09:44
subterrificficusplanet: i heard the latest qemu cvs is even faster than pearpc09:44
punkassthe gnome 'wizard' isnt seeing them09:44
ficusplanetsubterrific: Wow, that would be quite impressive.09:44
roofyficusplanet: i would imagine that would be EXTREMELY slow, since your emulating a completely different architecture, or no?09:44
LoneTechUpunkass: that should be left to cups, right? I think it has a web interface, try http://localhost:631 or something09:44
punkassyeah i went there and it says "sorry this is locked out, use the wizard"09:45
LoneTechUoh09:45
punkassi was hopin there was a command line tool or soemthing like redhead-config-printer09:45
Hrdwr_BoBredheads?09:45
punkasslol redhead... er redhat09:45
Hrdwr_BoBwhere do I sign up?09:45
Hrdwr_BoBpunkass, somethign on your mind?09:45
elmayais there a list with all the packages contents in ubuntu?09:45
punkassill never tell09:45
roofytime to load unbuntu09:46
roofyubuntu*09:46
roofyanyone know the origin of the name?09:46
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ficusplanetzulu word09:46
roofyfor09:46
ficusplanetmeans "a person is a person through other people" or something like that.09:46
jdubroofy: see the faq on the wiki :)09:47
roofyi would love to read a faq but i cant find it09:47
roofythe wiki is being slow09:47
ficusplanethttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/09:47
will|werkhey all09:47
will|werkthere is a problem with installing on machines with a dual DVI nvidia card as the only graphics09:47
roofyfinally thank you!09:47
ficusplanetNo problem.09:48
will|werkx can't ever find any displays, so fails to start09:48
LoneTechUwhy are maximize and demaximize different keys?09:48
roofywow this doenst have a root account at all?09:48
ficusplanetNope.09:48
will|werkpresumably it is looking for an analoge display?09:48
roofyso hows uid 009:48
LoneTechUroofy: it does, but the suggested means of using it is sudo as necessary.09:48
roofywhos*09:48
roofyah i see09:48
roofythats a good way to enforce best practices :P09:49
LoneTechUlogin as root is normally disabled09:49
Gvrehi all. how ubuntu handling security updates? is it taking from debian repos or ubuntu developers are patching the source code?09:57
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ficusplanetIt's Ubuntu's own repositories.09:59
roofyso the devs compile each package specifically for ubuntu09:59
ficusplanetYes.09:59
roofyabout how many packages does the repo have?10:00
sladenGvre: I think Canonical employ most of the Debian security-team...10:00
ficusplanet1298110:00
roofydamn how long has this project been around?10:01
Gvrei' m asking this because debian developers are patching stable first and then sarge and sid10:01
ficusplanetI don't know.  I just learned of it yesterday.10:01
roofyso what default kernel is it 2.6 i hope10:02
jdubroofy: 2000ish supported, over 10000 in universe10:02
jdubroofy: 2.6.8.110:02
ficusplanet2.6.8.110:02
roofy:D10:02
ficusplanetjdub: How would someone go about getting a package/suggesting a package for inclusion in universe?10:03
jdubficusplanet: post to -users10:03
ficusplanetOK10:04
mdzjdub: most of the good FAQ stuff is moved into plone now; the wiki only has recent additions10:04
will|werkwhats a precompiled kernel interface thing10:05
will|werkand is it included with ubuntu?10:05
will|werki want to install the official nvidia driver10:06
roofywww.nvidia.com10:06
roofydownload the driver and run it10:06
Gvreis ubuntu like debian stable, sarge or sid ?10:06
will|werkyeah i have the driver10:06
roofyso run it10:06
ficusplanetGvre: sid10:06
roofyin sudo10:06
will|werki tried10:07
will|werkit can't find a precompiled kernel interface module or some10:07
will|werkthing10:07
roofyyes, so itll compile one 10:07
will|werkright10:07
roofywhen it cant find it10:07
roofyand then your set10:07
LoneTechyou'll need the compiler and kernel headers..10:07
roofyedit your X10:07
will|werkcool10:07
LoneTechon my ubuntu install, they weren't installed by default.10:07
roofywell yea you need the kernel-source installed10:07
beezlywill|werk: why not use the ubuntu nvidia-glx?10:07
will|werkbeezly: it doesn't like my dual-dvi card10:07
will|werkx fails to start10:07
beezlywill|werk: no, the nvidia-glx, not the xfree86 nv driver10:08
roofybeezly: i havent used the nvidia-glx, but i assume thats an open source driver not provided by nvidia?10:08
beezlynope10:08
beezlyit's the nvidia driver10:08
roofyis it just the nvidia driver wrapped10:08
beezlyyep10:08
beezlyso you don't have to compile10:08
roofyoh ok :)10:08
beezlyit's *all* pre-compiled if you have a ubuntu kernel10:08
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beezlywill|werk: what is your cpu?10:08
seb128morning10:09
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will|werkathlonXP10:09
beezlyok do this...10:09
cleeso is there any generic developer target I can install so that I get gcc and binutils and stuff?10:09
will|werk(i'm at work now, so i can't try this out at the mo, i'll save a log for when i get home)10:09
LoneTechbuild-essential?10:09
beezlysudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.8.1-2-k7 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-2-k7 nvidia-glx10:09
pittiseb128: Good morning!10:09
seb128hello pitti 10:09
cleeLoneTech: rock, perfect10:09
will|werkbeezly: thanks very much :)10:10
beezlywill|werk: that should get the nvidia stuff installed10:10
beezlythen you just have to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to say "nvidia" where it currently says "nv"10:10
roofyyou can even just copy paste the following10:10
Gvreso ubuntu is like sid but security fixes are from ubuntu developers right after the exploit has discovered right? sorry 4 the questions but i'm interesting to use ubuntu as server and i want to update it as soon as possible10:11
roofycat /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | sed 's/nv/nvidia/' > /tmp/t; mv /tmp/t /etc/X11/XF86Config-4;10:11
sladenroofy: perl -p -i -e 's/nv/&idia/' /etc/X11/XF86Config-410:12
roofyshowoff :P10:12
cleesed can also do in-place editing with '-i'10:12
LoneTechyay, "envidiaironment"!10:13
roofyclee: didnt know that10:13
roofyim old skool10:13
roofyyet im only 18 :P10:13
jdubmdz: mmm. i don't think that's such a great idea. but anyway.10:13
roofysladen: i like the whole 's/nv/&idia/'10:13
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cleeroofy: sed -e s/foo/bar/ -i ${filename}10:13
will|werkcool thanks for your help guys10:13
will|werk:)10:13
roofythanks clee 10:14
cleeroofy: np10:14
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mdzjdub: I like it fine, but take it up with the website mafia if you disagree :-)10:15
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seb128mdz, jdub : permission to fix 1319 (epiphany downloads broken by jdub's changes) and 1266 (umount drives in network://) ?10:16
Gvreso ubuntu is like sid but security fixes are from ubuntu developers right after the exploit has discovered right? sorry 4 the questions but i'm interesting to use ubuntu as server and i want to update it as soon as possible10:16
cleeGvre: yes.10:16
mdzseb128: is it straightforward?10:17
mdzseb128: by the way, please subscribe to ubuntu-devel10:17
Gvreclee: Thanks10:17
jdubseb128: *cry* :)10:17
seb128jdub: you don't even tested your "Desktop" as folder dude !10:17
jdubGvre: that's not really the difference10:17
jdubseb128: i did!10:17
roofyi hit yes to dnlwoad the latest packages of the internet10:17
roofyis it updating the entire system?10:17
jdubseb128: and the firefox default change - gar!10:17
seb128jdub: it doesn't work ...10:17
jdubmmm10:18
Gvrejdub: what do u mean?10:18
seb128jdub: if I put "Desktop" in the key here I got the same error as in 1319810:18
seb128-810:18
jdubGvre: ubuntu has six month time based releases based on debian10:18
jdubGvre: debian sid10:18
seb128jdub: you use a jdub's version of epiphany which Desktop support ? :p10:18
jdubback soon10:18
jameshseb128: does the fix in bug 1266 seem to work for you?10:19
jamesh(the volume unmounting bug)10:19
seb128jamesh: just get up and had some coffee, not tested yet10:20
seb128jamesh: I'll test in 5 min10:20
jameshokay.10:20
nawtyanyone here have any experiences with net-snmp ? 10:21
nawtyor know it relativley well ? 10:21
Gvrejdub: i know that but i want to know if security of ubuntu  is as good as slackware 's10:21
jdubGvre: totally :)10:21
nawtyslackware has a good security model ? 10:22
nawtythe security of a distribution is only as good as the person running it. 10:22
seb128mdz: I get mails from ubuntu-devel ... I guess I'm on the list ?10:22
Gvre inow that to but i mean the security updates10:22
nawtygranted some distributions make it easier to secure but others are simply secure by default.10:23
nawtyGvre: its debian, so it has a relativley good security track10:23
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Gvredebian patches stable first and after stable the others10:23
pittinawty: we made great efforts to proactively improve Warty's security10:24
nawtypitti: im sure, but yet again, that all relates to the admin and the choices. 10:24
pittinawty: we removed many suid root bits from programs and now have many daemons run as a normal user which formerly ran as root10:24
Gvrei'm happy with slack but i want an amd64 port so i'm looking 4 a distro10:24
pittinawty: of course, an admin can screw up anything, but that's not the point10:25
mdzseb128: at what address do you receive these mails?10:25
mdzjdub: is ubuntu-devel gatewayed to some other list?10:25
nawtypitti: no matter how secure warty is, if someone chooses to run for example bind or sendmail, no matter how secure the original install was said to be, its all choices :) 10:25
pittinawty: the distro should be secure _by default_, not secure _regardless of root's actions_ :-)10:25
nawtypitti: i never disputed it :) 10:26
pittinawty: sure, no thing in the world can stop this10:26
nawtypitti: but to say that one distro is more secure than another in a broad sense is a bad thing10:26
pittinawty: I thought this was a question of you about our security model10:26
pittinawty: agreed; this statement can be valid if you append "by default"10:26
nawtypitti: no, i was just saying that debian on a whole has a good security model, i cant comment on ubuntu directly because i havent used it, although debian is starting to scare me a bit with the way that it simply doesnt do simple things :) 10:27
seb128mdz: good question, I don't see the source adress in the header ... my debian and canonical email points at the same place, so one of the 210:27
nawtys/debian/ubuntu/g && s/ubuntu/debian/g10:27
pittinawty: which "simple things" in particular? I'm curious10:27
nawtypitti: by default when i go for example aptitude install cacti my choice of apache and php are made for me 10:28
mdzseb128: I do not see anything with 'seb' in it in the subscription list, nor do I see you when searching for canonical or debian, but I will believe you if you say that you are getting the mails10:28
pittinawty: yes, these are the default choices of alternative dependencies10:28
mdzI am going to start using ubuntu-devel for ubuntu team discussions10:28
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nawtypitti: and i'm not given the choice, although when i try to install apache2 forcefully and then install php unless i install the correct deb i end up having it wanting to install apache again10:29
pittinawty: but of course you can overwrite them10:29
pittinawty: apache and php are really a tricky issue10:29
nawtypitti: of course, but thats a whole lot of effort that other distributions have seem'ed to avoid :) 10:29
pittinawty: it is tricky because you have to depend on a _set_ of mutually exclusive packages10:29
nawtypitti: bare in mind im a gentoo user and that `USE="apache2" emerge cacti` would do my trick 10:29
mdznawty: ubuntu avoids that particular issue by supporting only apache2 :-)10:29
seb128mdz: arg, stupid error on my part. I've mail in my ubuntu-devel box, but these are -user cc: -devel ...10:30
pittinawty: like (apache2 && php4-apache2) or (apache-1.3 && php4-apache1.3)10:30
nawtymdz: not true, im using ubuntu and i have it trying to install apache1 10:30
pittinawty: probably we should just get rid of all apache1 stuff ASAP10:30
seb128mdz: and they got classed in the devel because the rule is before the user one ... sorry I'm subscribing right now10:30
nawtypitti: surely somthing can be done like a deb that asks you "do you want to install apache2 or apache1" ? 10:30
pittinawty: the apache stuff is in fact the only issue known to me where the dependencies go wild10:30
nawtypitti: even if its an aptitude update ? 10:30
nawtypitti: and vim :P 10:31
pittinawty: not with Debian's current Dependency specification10:31
mdznawty: not true?10:31
nawtymdz: i've had this ubuntu install try install apache1 numerous times :) 10:31
pittinawty: you have to provide a set of alternatives, and of none is installed, the first one is the default10:31
mdznawty: then you must have enabled universe in sources.list :-P10:31
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mdznawty: which, as the comments explain, gives you access to unsupported packages10:31
nawtypitti: i suppose10:31
nawtymdz: yes, :) 10:32
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pittimdz: can we remove gnutls7 from supported now?10:32
mdznawty: apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 if you want php10:32
_1oo7what if he's allergic to peanuts?  .. that is insensitive <g>10:32
mdzpitti: it should be removed automatically the next time elmo diffs it10:32
pittinawty: that's in fact the only real good solution: install apache and php before and every apps depending on a webserver will install fine10:33
pittimdz: ah, thanks10:33
nawtymdz: i've done it already, although i'm rather certain that these things should be and could be more `streamlined` 10:33
nawtypitti: i don't doubt that, i just think that things could be `smarter`10:34
mdznawty: agreed; we have some interesting plans in that department10:34
pittinawty,mdz: maybe we should just change the alternatives to list apache2 as first option10:34
LoneTechshould bug 291 be reopened as enhancement, load apm module if acpi fails?10:34
seb128mdz: ok, now I'm on the list. Sorry for the mistake, I though all the @canonical were subscribed10:34
mdzpitti: the php4 package does not uspport apache210:34
mdzthat's why it depends on apache 1.x10:34
mdzthere is a separate package for apache210:34
pittimdz: but libapache2-mod-php4 exists10:34
pittiyes10:34
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mdzyes10:34
pittimdz: I had a similar problem with a packaged web application of mine10:35
pittimdz: I just could not get the dependencies right10:35
mdzpitti: the solution is to require apache2 :-)10:35
nawtyanother thing that was confusing is that apache2 install by default wasnt compiled with the mpm-worker, which meant that as soon as i installed the libapache2-... it removed an apache2 dep and re-instated it 10:35
pittimdz: change-user-mind --force installed-www-server :-)10:35
nawtymdz: but you arent avoing the problem :) 10:35
nawtyavoiding even 10:35
nawtybrb10:36
pittinawty: I'm curious, what does this "brb" mean? I've seen it many times10:36
Keybuk"be right back"10:36
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pittithx10:36
pittiall these TLAs10:36
Tomcat_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_slang :)10:40
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rburtonerm, "http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)"10:47
seb128rburton: no problem here10:50
seb128works with apt, works with wget && gunzip10:50
rburtonhrm10:51
rburtoni'll try again10:51
rburtonheh, worked that time :)10:51
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nawtypitti: be right back :) 10:53
plovsrburton, I had this on every single computer I installed ubuntu to, it just sort of times out or something run again and it is ok10:54
mdzrburton: some others have reported the same problem10:54
mdzI have never seen it myself10:55
mdzoften this sort of strange behaviour can be attributed to a broken transparent proxy run by the ISP10:55
psimy monitor wasn't detected properly. should i report this as a bug?10:55
mdzpsi: send mail to ubuntu-users first10:56
psiokay10:56
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KinnisonMorning (IGT)10:58
psialso, the computer menu is only half translated in my swedish setup (desktop preferences, computer configuration, about ubuntu, etc)10:58
psiwould you like this translated? or is it something that concerns gnome10:58
seb128yes, and that doesn't concern GNOME10:59
seb128we hacked the menu, so the strings are specific to the distro10:59
psiright10:59
ficusplanetIs there any way to edit the "Computer" menu?11:02
rburtonficusplanet: no11:02
neillhi. 11:02
rburtonficusplanet: well, you can probably move items in desktop prefs and system tools11:03
neilldoes nvidia include the nvidia binary drivers?11:03
neillgah. ubuntu.11:03
rburtonneill: install nvidia-glx and dpkg-reconfig the x server11:03
neillthanks.11:03
seb128you can also show/mask some entries like the lock screen one11:04
seb128or the log out11:04
seb128/apps/panel/global/disable_lock_screen & /apps/panel/global/disable_log_out in gconf11:04
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jdubpipka's installing ubuntu now11:16
rburtondear god11:16
jdubshe wanted to call her machine 'xiaofeng'11:16
rburtonspeaking of which, has telsa installed it yet?11:16
jdubshe was invited to the sounder team11:16
jdubnot sure if she did11:16
rburtonlucky you :)11:17
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felixhi all! Anyone got binary nvidia drivers going on amd64?11:18
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thomhttp://www.andrewsavory.com/blog/archives/000373.html11:19
rburtoni'm glad i'm not the only person who sees the shooting stars association11:20
rburtoni'm one step away from "ubuntooooo" being the login sound 11:20
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will|werkeranu!11:21
will|werki totally get it too11:21
KeybukUbuntu 6.04 "The Dove from Above"11:21
Keybuk*cough*11:21
neillyup. same here. 11:21
rburton43 minutes to install! my desktop at work took less than 20 which was very pleasing11:22
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mdzfelix: does nvidia provide amd64 binaries?  or do you want to try to use the i386 ones?11:23
jdubwill|werk: 8)11:23
fabbionemdz: not sure.. they have some 64 bits binaries11:23
fabbionemdz: but no idea for what they are exactly11:24
mdzhmm, looks like they have amd6411:24
mdzhttp://www.nvidia.com/object/linux.html11:24
mdzfabbione: any reason not to include them in the package?11:24
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neilliirc there are 64bit nforce and graphics binaries11:25
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fabbionemdz: not that i am aware of, but i cannot test them at all. So i had rather prefer if someone with amd64 + nvidia could that.11:26
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fabbionemdz: specially for the userland stuff like libs and so on.11:26
fabbionemdz: otherwise ship me your amd64 ;)11:26
neillis there a reason that http://www.ubuntu.com and http://ubuntu.com don't seem to go anywhere? Shouldn't they be pointing at www.ubuntulinux.org ? 11:28
mdzfabbione: I can test the functionality, but if you could take care of the packaging, that would be great11:28
nawtyso anyone here well versed in the ways of the snmpd ? 11:28
jdubneill: it's a known problem, being fixed soon :)11:28
felixmdz: sorry yeah, nvidia have amd64 binaries, they mostly work, I'm having probs with glx tho11:30
MacPlusG3jdub: rock on the ubuntu release - impressed11:31
fabbionemdz: not sure about the time... i am still working on the nv free driver11:32
fabbionemdz: and the script to switch from free to non-free11:32
fabbione(and viceversa)11:32
neillhow are the free drivers these days?11:33
mdzdaniels: ping?11:33
felixthat would be very nice11:33
neilldo they support DVI yet?11:33
nawtyguess not :( 11:33
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jdubMacPlusG3: sweet, thanks11:36
MacPlusG3out of interest - what was the basis behind not having Computer and Home Directory icons on the desktop?11:37
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jdubMacPlusG3: see the faq :)11:38
jdubMacPlusG3: how often can you see the icons on your desktop when you're doing Real Work?11:38
azeemwhen I'm doing real work[tm] , I have an xterm with screen opened =)11:39
ficusplanetjdub: By the way, that change has gone over really well with the people I've set up with Ubuntu so far.11:39
azeemwhich is not maximized11:39
MacPlusG3jdub: wow... a FAQ with a question of mine answered... this is... new... strange... :)11:39
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_axelhi, i have a weird problem installing Ubuntu on my system, i hope you can help me11:40
MacPlusG3jdub: depends... X apps tend to like to position themselves over the icons.. which is annoying - MacOS style of having apps not put themselves over the icons is quite nice11:40
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MacPlusG3hence the mac having icons on the right of the screen11:40
MacPlusG3and mac users (or people who learnt on a mac) not maximising their windows11:41
_axeli have downloaded the iso, checked the md5sums and they're correct, burned them etc and when i install it, when installing the base packages it barfs of package 'bsdutils' and i have to abort installation11:41
MacPlusG3but that point is good (at least in the current scenario)11:41
_axels/of/on11:41
jdubMacPlusG3: lots of screen space wasted, etc.11:41
dinis ubuntu based off debian?11:41
jdubdin: yes11:41
_axeli have tried burning the iso to 4 different cd's so i'm sure it's not the cd... what's going on?11:41
MacPlusG3jdub: rock the sudo and not root thing though.11:42
mdz_axel: a couple of people have seen that, but so far every time it has been the result of a bad burn or bad download11:42
sladen_axel / MacPlusG3:  the Mac OS X cd burning program is buggy11:42
sladen_axel / MacPlusG3:  you may need to use  cdrecord from fink11:42
_axelhmm, im not using macosx, i used cdrecord on a debian testing box11:42
rburton_axel: might be a bug i saw with sarge, DMA being on shows up bugs in cd drive firmware.  something like hdc=nodma might help (check the option though)11:42
din_axel: corrupt iso maybe?11:43
_axeldin: nope, md5sum matches11:43
linux_mafiado i have to something special for the hal daemon to work? when i try and run the removable storage config, it tells me hald is installed but not running11:43
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din_axel: tried burning as root? :)11:43
_axelrburton: hdc=nodma passed to kernel at boot time?11:43
_axeldin : yup11:43
rburton_axel: yeah11:44
_axelso i pass hdd=nodma to sarge and burn it again or pass it to the ubuntu kernel when installing? i didnt get it clearly sorry11:44
rburton_axel: ubuntu kernel11:44
_axeloh, then i'll have to pick the cd's from the trashcan ;)11:45
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_axelk, im going to try it again, thanks and if it doesnt work i'll be back to whine about my broken system again ;)11:47
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wobini found a problem with 4.10 PR on Amd K611:49
rburtonsweet, ipod/firewire works okay now11:50
wobinkernel oopses almost immediately because of the 'splash' option on amd k611:50
MacPlusG3rburton: FAT or HFS?11:50
robsterrburton: morning11:51
rburtonMacPlusG3: fat. before a few days ago it only worked if it was in when i booted11:51
rburtonmorning robster11:51
MacPlusG3rburton: cool. don't know if you know - but you can use the contacts and calendar bit on an ipod :)11:53
rburtonyeah11:54
rburtoni just ran evo-ipod-sync actually11:54
rburtonits hanging when exporting my calendar though11:54
MacPlusG3rburton: i use multisynnc11:54
MacPlusG3don't know if it works with evo 2 though...11:54
Sleep_bobhaha11:54
mdzwobin: the 'splash' option has no effect on the kernel at all.  perhaps something else is the cause?11:54
Sleep_bobI have a bug for nautilus11:54
Sleep_bobit doesn't really work when you try to copy 4200 files11:55
wobinmdz: may have to do with framebuffer perhaps? i deleted the splash option and it booted11:55
rburtonseb128: so my ipod appears as sda2, i can unmount it but to unplug it i need to eject it... can this be added to the context menu or will the HAL stuff fix that11:55
mdzwobin: no other changes?11:55
wobinmdz: no11:55
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MacPlusG3rburton: does 'eject' actually log out of the device? that is, the ipod stops displaying 'do not disconnect'?11:55
rburtonMacPlusG3: yes11:56
highvoltagedoes anyone know if future versions of ubuntu will give you an option of installing lilo?11:56
mdzwobin: and if you add it back, does it oops again?11:56
HrdwrBoBhighvoltage: extremely unlikely11:56
HrdwrBoBwhy?11:56
wobinmdz: haven't tried, was too happy having a working desktop :)11:56
highvoltageI like lilo11:56
highvoltagebeen using it forever11:56
rburtonhighvoltage: try grub :)11:56
highvoltagenow I have to learn all the grub stuff11:57
mdzwobin: I was pretty sure that everything which looked at the splash option had been ripped out; certainly the kernel itself never paid attention to it11:57
HrdwrBoBhighvoltage: I liked lilo to until I used grub :)11:57
highvoltagewhy is grub better? I'm not arguing, I just want to educate myself11:57
rburtonhighvoltage: well, you don't need to learn anything. the installer detects other partitions and the kernel packages manage it11:57
HrdwrBoBhighvoltage: grub knows about the filesystem11:57
wobinmdz: i'll try tonight (it's noon here now) and post a report here or anywhere else11:57
HrdwrBoBif you screw it up11:57
HrdwrBoBand get the wrong file11:57
HrdwrBoBit'll still boot11:57
mdzwobin: thanks11:57
HrdwrBoBif you recompile the kernel11:58
HrdwrBoBand name it the same11:58
HrdwrBoBit'll still work11:58
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highvoltageah ok11:59
MacPlusG3rburton: that's new...11:59
MacPlusG3rburton: i think :)11:59
highvoltageI'll read some more documentation and stuff11:59
azeemhighvoltage: it should just work[tm] 11:59
rburtonMacPlusG3: not really, technically its a removable scsi disk. eject /media/ipod11:59
highvoltageazeem: I like to fiddle11:59
HrdwrBoBhighvoltage: any question that is asked in the installer *NEEDS* to be asked11:59
HrdwrBoBif it doesn't need to be asked, it shouldn't be there12:00
highvoltageI also experiment with lots of distro's12:00
highvoltageso I use the other=/dev/hdax a lot!12:00
highvoltage(in lilo)12:00
HrdwrBoBthat's the nature of ubuntu12:00
MacPlusG3rburton: i recall having some troubles with that in past kernels... have a half hack lying around somewhere.... 12:01
MacPlusG3rburton: but hey - if it's been fixed - rock12:01
danielsmdz: pong12:01
_1oo7daniels ; i'm thinking he maybe has the bedtime12:02
danielsah12:02
mdzsoon12:02
HrdwrBoBthe bedtime? or the brainworms?12:03
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az[a] zel_ibookI have ubuntu installed on my AMD64 box now12:07
az[a] zel_ibookwell im still in the installation process upon first boot12:08
az[a] zel_ibookin the "testing apt sources" bit, it gets stuck at 99% [Waiting for headeres] 12:08
az[a] zel_ibookit's timed out once, and is now at the same spot again12:08
Tomcat_I think the repositories are a bit slow.12:09
az[a] zel_ibookI dunno what it's waiting for, it seems to have downloaded the headers.. *shrug*12:09
Tomcat_That part needed minutes on my machine.12:09
az[a] zel_ibookah ok12:09
az[a] zel_ibookhopefully my ISP will mirror ubuntu soon12:10
az[a] zel_ibookmaybe I should ask them12:10
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az[a] zel_ibookhmm stuck at 87% on the warty-security repository12:12
az[a] zel_ibookcome on dammit, I wanna see gnome 2.8 boot ;)12:13
highvoltageIs there a list that announces new packages in the universe?12:17
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highvoltageI suppose the main announce is too low-traffice to include things like kde in the universe12:18
Mithrandirhighvoltage: I think there's a ubuntu-changes list.12:18
Keybukhighvoltage: universe is basically everything in Debian main that built12:18
rburtonhighvoltage: synaptic will show you new packages as they appear12:19
highvoltageah, thanks. I'll give synaptic a try. Where do I find the ubuntu-changes list? It's not 'advertised' on the mailman page12:20
jdubhighvoltage: nothing new is being added12:20
jdubhighvoltage: currently it's called 'warty-changes' and is hidden12:21
jdubbut you can still get to it12:21
jdubwe'll probably change the name and unhide it12:21
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LinSpiderhi all !12:22
LinSpiderfirst time here12:22
LinSpiderlot's of people here :)12:22
highvoltageah, ok. found it, subscribed. thanks12:22
sabdfljdub: battery applet is looking schweet thanks to james h12:22
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jdubhrm, i might have to kill and reload it :)12:24
jdubsabdfl: what changed?12:24
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sabdflpull out the plug and watch12:24
jameshjdub: it provides useful battery charge status even when the big battery image is disabled.12:24
jduboh, ok12:25
jdubmy acpi support is b0rk12:25
jdubso i can't see that foo here12:25
sabdfljamesh: great work12:25
jdubi should try on the toilet seat12:25
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_axeluhm, i tried installing with nodma for the cd drive but it still borks, now i reinstalled sarge and tried to burn the iso again and cdrecord crashed :/12:29
_axellooks like i have no way to try this stuff out12:29
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Keybuksabdfl: the little battery charge goes down?12:32
jameshKeybuk: yeah.12:33
sabdflyes if you ask it nicely12:33
Keybukdoes it do that when the big battery is being displayed as well?12:33
jameshand changes colour the same way the big battery image does12:33
jameshit always does it (making it conditional would have been a bit more work)12:34
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Keybukhrm, that'd look pretty sucky :(  might as well just disable the big image if the little one drains and changes colour12:34
Keybukthat thing always took up too much space anyway12:34
LinSpiderIs ubuntu a debian based distro ?12:35
Keybukthough the little image doesn't show you how charged the battery is when charging :-/12:35
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will|werkLinSpider: yes12:36
mjg59Ooh, you've got rms on your case now12:36
Tomcat_mjg59: Link?12:37
LinSpiderwill|werk : thanks !!12:37
mjg59http://lists.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2004-September/msg00062.html12:37
plovsanybody got usb-keys working out of the box? mine started to work (more or less) after I added /media/usb and an fstab entry12:38
jameshKeybuk: the defaults are set to not show the big image12:38
jameshso on a clean account it should be compact and useful.12:38
Keybukjamesh: yeah, I'm just thinking when people change the defaults ... it shouldn't be not-useful/ugly for them12:38
rburtonplovs: mine works with no changes, hal detected it and pmount mounted it12:38
ggiWhy is the default pdf viewer xpdf? I would have thought gpdf would  have been a more obvious choice. Is it unmaintained or something?12:38
jameshKeybuk: hopefully the battery applet will get a fair bit of attention in the Gnome 2.10 release cycle.  The current code is pretty evil.12:39
jameshKeybuk: I could imagine showing a small bar next to the power cord to show the charge while on A/C12:39
Tomcat_Argh... RMS and his "It's GNU/Linux!!!1111" thing again...12:39
will|werkso damned anal12:39
neill?12:39
will|werkOMG DON@T FORGET THE GNU PART12:40
will|werksheesh12:40
Tomcat_:)12:40
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sabdflKeybuk: some people like a huge green thing12:40
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Tomcat_I understand most of his thoughts and I agree that he's a very important person, but I don't get how the GNU thing in the title will change anything.12:41
sabdflplovs: is your system an update from woody, or a clean install?12:41
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Tomcat_He doesn't even point to it and how he developed it so we could say it's an ego thing.12:41
Keybuksabdfl: yeah, but if you've got a huge draining green thing, you shouldn't have an identical smaller, upright version of it next to it12:42
Keybukif you follow me ... you basically end up with []  [     ]  where both are showing the same thing12:42
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plovsrburton, ok, pmount works, but the gid and uid are 0 whichs means I do not even have ro ???12:42
plovssabdfl, clean install12:43
will|werkTomcat_: I do appreciate the work put into it by people like him, but "Linux" is just a much snappier name12:43
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will|werkwould windows be so successful if it was MS/WIN5.10 ?12:43
azeemjust hope he does not suggest to rename it to 'gnubuntu'12:43
will|werki doubt it12:44
Tomcat_NO TEH SLASH IS TEH MISSING!!1112:44
Tomcat_GNU/Buntu :)12:44
Keybukazeem: that'd be a great name for an Ubuntu derivative focused on free-software only though :p12:44
azeemTomcat_: eh, that would imply Buntu was a kernel12:44
Tomcat_Or maybe he suggests (since Ubuntu is African) that they rename it to just "GNU" :)12:44
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sivangmorning everybody!12:44
ggiI never quite know how to pronounce GNU/Linux. Is it just GNU Linux? Do I prounounce the slash? *weep*12:44
Tomcat_:D12:45
plovsas it comes more or less from South Africa shouldn't it be Wildebeest/Buntu then?12:45
will|werkheh12:45
Keybukggi: rms tends to pronounce the slash, iirc.12:45
azeemKeybuk: yeah. Or we could name it something else... like "Debian" :P12:45
rburtonseb128: eds appears to be broken for me... the clock applet is hanging12:45
plovsrburton, do you have rw access?12:45
mjg59ggi: You have to pronounce the slash or it sounds like a GNU project (which it isn't)12:45
Keybukazeem: Debian contains non-free software </rms>12:45
seb128rburton: oh ? since when ?12:45
az[a] zel_ubuntuyay I have ubuntu running.. seems pretty decent12:45
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ggiSo "GNU slash Linux" then?12:46
Tomcat_If you don't pronounce the slash you might be a capitalist </rms>12:46
rburtonseb128: very recently. i'm going to logout/in12:46
azeemggi: I know a german guy who pronounces it like that12:46
jdubsabdfl: so now we have rad battery, rad wifi... only the sound needs radding ;)12:46
azeemggi: he calls himself GNU/Wolfgang, though, so he might not count12:46
mjg59ggi: Yup12:46
Tomcat_lol12:46
plovsrburton, to your usb-key I mean12:46
seb128rburton: ok, there is no package change ... so probably an eds bug12:46
rburtonplovs: yes, its mounted as me12:47
plovsrburton, funny, more poking ahead then12:47
jdubgmail does plus addresses :-)12:47
Keybukjdub: yes, and lets you keyword-search on the plus bit12:47
plovsjdub, gmail is *very* nice12:47
jdubKeybuk: haha, rad12:48
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plovsbtw for the unlucky few I still have two invites12:48
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az[a] zel_ubuntugnome seems heaps faster than I remember it12:48
mjg59jdub: You'll be following up to rms's foundation-list post, then? :)12:48
az[a] zel_ubuntuI usually use KDE12:48
jdubmjg59: yes12:48
ajmitch_azeem: I've heard he's an interesting chap12:48
az[a] zel_ubuntueverything seems to load pretty much instantly on this machine12:49
azeemajmitch_: hey12:49
jordimako: yup dude, GNOME 2.8 on 64 megs of ram is *bad idea*12:49
ajmitch_hello12:49
azeemajmitch_: yeah, and he shaved off his beard :)12:49
ajmitch_hi jordi  :)12:49
jdubyo ajmitch_, azeem 12:49
ajmitch_& jdub12:49
bob2Kamion: hm, I'm still seeing the gnome "/dev/pmu permission" thing, wasn't it supposed to be fixed a while back?12:49
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plovsrburton, right I ran pmount as root, now it works, but isn't the whole idea of HAL and friends that I do not have to run pmount at all?12:51
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pittimh21: Hi, nice to see you! :-)12:51
rburtonplovs: yes, hal calls it for you. hal probably doesn't recognise your key or somehting12:52
pittimh21: DDC does not work, I'm behind a NAT12:52
pittimh21: can you please mail the stuff to me?12:52
plovsrburton, but it the most famous of all: El Cheapo! 12:53
ggiTo condense & reiterate my original question: uh, xpdf, why?12:54
rburtonplovs: el cheapo worked here. run the device manager in computer->system and check out the info12:54
pittiplovs: please _dont_ run pmount as root, that makes no sense12:54
rburtonggi: it works for more PDFs than gpdf does12:54
sabdfljamesh: Keybuk, you get battery charge level from mouseover when it's plugged in, i thikn12:54
jdubggi: difficult decision regarding PDF support and searching and stuff12:54
jdubggi: gpdf for hoary, i'm sure :)12:54
plovspitti, yes *now* I know :)12:54
jameshsabdfl: you might not actually ... 12:54
Tomcat_What does pmount do?12:54
sabdflplovs: does it show up as /dev/usb/xxx or /dev/xxx?12:55
jameshsabdfl: I just noticed that there are different tooltips on the big battery and the little status icon12:55
pittiplovs: I'm currently hacking at pmount, maybe I should just stop if it is called by root12:55
sabdfli get it on the little one12:55
pittiTomcat_: man pmount12:55
pittiTomcat_: it is a policy wrapper around mount12:55
plovsrburton, transcend jetflash 2.012:55
ggirburton: Isn't gpdf based on xpdf?12:55
martinkjdub: I was just going to ask when gpdf has to be perfect to get into hoary12:55
pittiTomcat_: it allows normal users to mount removeable devices which are not in fstab12:55
Tomcat_Ah okay.12:55
jdubggi: it is, but gpdf uses a different rendering pipeline12:56
rburtonggi: sort of, but the rendering is different, it doesn't do as many embedded fonts12:56
jdubmartink!12:56
pittiTomcat_: this was written to avoid mangling fstab12:56
rburton(yet)12:56
jdubmartink: dude12:56
jdubmartink: sorry :)12:56
jdubmartink: i grumbled a bit about this one ;)12:56
martinknp12:56
rburtonseb128: hm, eds is okay. i think clock_applet hung12:56
linux_mafiarburton, I cant run the device manager, it flickers up for a second then goes, any ideas?12:56
rburtonjdub: hopefully G2.10's pdf will work fine12:56
plovssabdfl, /dev/sda mounted on /media/usb-key (called by: pmount /dev/sda usb-key)12:56
rburtonlinux_mafia: hal isn't running? run it in a terminal12:57
jdubmartink: most of the pdf support issues were sorted by the time 2.8 came out, save for the type3 fonts thing (right?)12:57
seb128rburton: killing the applets help ? :)12:57
jdubmartink: and there were comments about no text search12:57
rburtonseb128: i didn't notice clock_applet still running until i'd restarted gnome 12:57
seb128URIs support is badly broken in gpdf too12:57
jdubmartink: how is the preview-style integration going? reckon that's going to happen for 2.10?12:57
highvoltageI read the Ubuntu faw about version numbers12:58
martinkjdub: fonts: yes type3 (and a corner case with not embedded fonts)12:58
seb128gpdf http:// .. or with samba shares doesn't work12:58
seb128it just crashs12:58
linux_mafiarburton, thats what i thought to do initially, but it makes no difference12:58
highvoltageWhat happens if there's another release on 10th of october next year12:58
rburtonlinux_mafia: check hald is runinng and not dead12:58
highvoltagesorry- I was confused, please ignore :)12:58
jdubhighvoltage: 5.10 :-)12:59
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az[a] zel_ubuntuI must say I'm really impressed with ubuntu so far.. I've been looking for a while for an AMD64 distribution01:00
linux_mafiarburton, no not running, even though a '/etc/init.d/hal start' produces an [ ok ] , im confused, heh01:00
jdublinux_mafia: restart dbus, then hal01:02
linux_mafiajdub, will do01:02
seb128just restarting dbus should be ok01:03
linux_mafiahmmm, still no dice01:03
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martinkjdub: preview integration: this time we might actually produce some code01:08
jdubmartink: that's going to rock *so* *hard*01:09
az[a] zel_ubuntuis there an easy graphical way to share a directory?01:10
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az[a] zel_ubuntu(through samba)01:11
jdubaz[a] zel_ubuntu: no, but next release, for sure. :-)01:11
jduboh, for samba, possibly01:11
az[a] zel_ubuntuyeah I used GNOME system tools to start samba.. cant find anything for sharing directories with nautilus01:11
az[a] zel_ubuntujust seeing how much I can do before touching the command line :)01:12
jdub:-)01:12
scaroojdub, will you use samba for this purpose or the news Webdav backend of alex ?01:12
jdubaz[a] zel_ubuntu: i think some of that will hit gnome in 2.1001:12
jdubscaroo: we'll wait and see :)01:12
az[a] zel_ubuntuI've had to hand edit my XF86Config-4 to get a decent monitor resolution.. hopefully X.org and gnome system tools will fix the woeful nature of setting up X1101:12
az[a] zel_ubuntujdub, ah ok01:13
az[a] zel_ubuntujdub, this is damn fast so far (AMD64 version).. everything (except openoffice) launches instantly01:13
Mithrandiraz[a] zel_ubuntu: good to hear. :)01:13
scaroothe same here on a pentium M :)01:14
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az[a] zel_ubuntuMithrandir, I didn't have any problems with hardware setup01:14
az[a] zel_ubuntuMithrandir, in fact, this has been one of the easiest linux installs I've had to do for a while01:14
Ycrosunf, amd64 is great.01:14
Mithrandiraz[a] zel_ubuntu: very nice to hear -- so far I'm aware of problems with NForce3 and SATA, but as I don't have that available, I can't check it out.01:14
az[a] zel_ubuntuah ok, I have a VIA K8 chipset01:14
Mithrandirjdub: if you could get an nforce3 board, it would be interesting -- we need to weed that SATA+nf3 bug out before release.01:15
Mithrandirjdub: or if you could get me one, of course. ;)01:15
scarooMithrandir, is this an ubuntu-only bug ?01:16
Mithrandirscaroo: afaik, no.01:16
Mithrandirscaroo: it's a kernel problem, it seems.01:16
jdubMithrandir: not sure i have the bling handy ;)01:17
Mithrandirscaroo: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=132401:18
scarooMithrandir, i ll have a look01:18
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Kamionbob2: no, the bug's still open I'm afraid01:21
Kamionmmm, shiny new amd64 box just arrived this morning01:21
bob2Kamion: ah, dang01:21
Ycroseveryone seems to be getting amd64's :E01:21
bob2Kamion: oooh01:21
bob2I guess I have to get a amd64 and an x40 if I want to stay in the company01:22
az[a] zel_ubuntuYcros, that's because they rock :)01:22
MithrandirKamion: what chipset?01:22
jdubKamion: cor, you got one too? hmm. :-)01:22
Mithrandirjdub: amd64 boxes are _cheap_01:22
jdubyeah01:23
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jonohi all01:23
KamionMithrandir: ABit KV8 motherboard, don't know more than that yet01:23
bob2nforce3 4 eva01:23
jdubbut i'll have to get all the bits to go with it01:23
jdubhey jono 01:23
KamionMithrandir: it does have SATA though01:23
jonoheya jdub - hows it going dude?01:23
Mithrandirk8t800 pro, it seems01:23
YcrosKamion, abit kv8-max3 is what I have01:23
Kamionhi jono, will try to reply to your mail soonish01:23
YcrosKamion, I am blinded by the rice.01:23
jdubjono: relatively sleep free ;)01:23
MithrandirKamion: the problem isn't with SATA per se, the problem is with NF301:23
KamionMithrandir: hm, right :-/01:24
KamionMithrandir: might just be a "more modules required" thing?01:24
jonoKamion, cool, which one are you?01:24
Kamionjono: /whois :-)01:24
jonojdub, I bet :D01:24
jonoKamion, ahhh cool, nice to meet you Colin01:24
az[a] zel_ubuntuGigabyte K8T800 Pro here.. SATA RAID and IDE RAID on the same board, heh01:24
YcrosKamion, you haven't booted it up yet?01:24
KamionYcros: still in the box ...01:25
jonoKamion, Aq (Stuart Langridge) mentions you a lot01:25
MithrandirKamion: is the sata_nv driver on the media?01:25
Kamionjono: figures, we've known each other a long time :)01:25
jonoKamion, cool01:25
nawtyanyone here be a snmp person ?01:25
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nawty*sigh*01:25
YcrosKamion, dunno about yours, but mine has bright red leds on it01:25
KamionMithrandir: should be, it's in sata-modules01:25
Kosaijono: Hi.  :)01:25
Ycrosdidn't find out about them till I actually booted it up :E01:25
jdubnawty: roughly, in past gigs01:25
MithrandirKamion: is it in the pci.lst?01:25
jonoI filed a bug report that the right mouse button doesnt work when I Ctrl-Click on a single mouse button01:26
jdubnawty: problem?01:26
jonoheya Kosai01:26
KamionMithrandir: ooh, that's a possibility01:26
nawtyjdub: net-snmpd doesnt seem to trap interface statistics anymore? 01:26
nawtyjdub: ubuntu install btw. 01:26
KamionMithrandir: would need to know PCI ids, I think they might be in the bug so I'll look when I do the morning's pass over bugzilla] 01:26
MithrandirKamion: goodie, it's your bug, so. :)01:27
jdubnawty: not sure, haven't tried thus far ;)01:27
MithrandirKamion: else, a nf3 board costs me about 800NOK, so it could be money well spent.01:27
nawtyjdub: *kick01:27
nawty*01:27
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Mithrandir(as I have the rest I need, like CPU, memory and stuff)01:27
Mithrandirhi StingRay, nice to see another Norwegian in here.01:28
StingRayHow did you know?01:29
Mithrandirlooking at your hostmask?01:29
StingRayOf course....01:29
Mithrandir:)01:29
nawty:( 01:29
StingRayWhy didn`t I think of that01:29
StingRay?01:29
az[a] zel_ubuntuanyone else finding the address book broken in Evolution?01:30
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az[a] zel_ubuntusays that it doesn't exist, or I don't have permission to access it? I thought evo would've created it itself01:30
az[a] zel_ubuntuhmm my ibook went to sleep :)01:35
scaroohmmm something puzzles me : ubuntu comes with the intel 2100/2200 wireless devices firmware images, but one has to agree to an agreement (http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/firmware.php?fid=3) to be able to d/l them from the project's site, isn't that a potential legal issue ?01:36
highvoltagemy evolution is fine01:38
highvoltageIt's just the autocompletion that doesn't seem to work :(01:38
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jonoanyone know where I can add a command line option to X? I submitted a bug report to ubuntu bugzilla with the fact that the right mouse button doesnt work on a single button mac by Ctrl-Click'ing - it looks like the X option -fakebuttons needs to be added when X is started - how do I do this?01:40
jdubjono: /etc/gdm/gdm.conf01:40
jdubhighvoltage: make sure the address book you care about is chosen for autocompletion01:41
az[a] zel_ubuntucool, importing pictures from my digital camera worked.. gThumb crashed though :/01:42
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jonojdub, cheers01:46
cefdaniels: you about?01:47
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nawtyARGH 01:55
nawtyno one else fancy a helping hand with snmpd ?01:55
danielscef: hey dude01:56
danielscef: !01:56
az[a] zel_ubuntuhmm, we need an eject button on the keyboard like on Mac, heh.. pressing eject on the CDROM doesn't work :/01:56
cefdaniels: and yes, expect it sometime this weekend01:57
cefdaniels: at the moment I'm trying to decide if I have enough energy to get out of my seat and climb into bed before I go to sleep, or wether I just doze off in my chair01:58
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cefdaniels: so yeah, you will soon be the proud owner of an AGP Matrox G400 dual head card01:59
jdubthose are so much love02:00
rburtoni wonder if X reading /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mouse is the cause of my super fast mouse?02:00
khalekpci ones are quite a bit harder to come across02:00
seb128jdub: do we want to hack epiphany to get downloads on the desktop ?02:00
jdubseb128: yes please02:00
jdubseb128: why doesn't the preference work?02:01
seb128ok, need some code02:01
danielscef: dude! awesome, thanks very much :)02:01
seb128because it's waiting for a directory02:01
danielscef: heh02:01
seb128or Downloads which is a special case02:01
danielsARGH! arse.02:01
Deftis the ubuntu bugzilla in use yet?02:01
seb128jdub: need to add a special case Desktop ...02:01
cefjdub: heh.. I've gave daniels a number of video cards last night.. he and fabbione will have lots of cards to hack on02:01
rburtonseb128: remember to think about me where desktop = $HOME :)02:02
danielsmaybe if I build it with '== CHIP_FAMILY_R420', instead of '= CHIP_FAMILY_R420', my R200 will work better02:02
seb128rburton: that's why I need to do some hack02:02
seb128rburton: in the other case ~/Desktop was fine02:02
rburtonah02:02
seb128in the gconf key02:02
fabbionehey cef02:02
cefheya fabbione 02:02
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fabbionewhat's up?02:03
fabbionei heard my name associated to video cards :-)02:03
cefme? I'm absolutely exausted....02:03
jdubseb128: oh, yucky02:03
danielsfabbione: we'll have craploads in denmark02:03
fabbionedaniels: we need to start checking stuff for your trip as well02:04
danielsfabbione: my r200 and rv250, some mga cards, mach32, tseng, cirrus, a couple of early nvidias, the i810 in the x40 ...02:04
danielsfabbione: yes. what sort of dates -- start of november (to get it in hoary asap) or just before wartyconf?02:04
ceffabbione: oh I gave daniels somewhere between 8 and 12 video cards last night, and I've got more as well (including a Matrox G400 Dual head)02:04
fabbionei have 3 nvidia here + 1 ati + a trident and another one that i can't remember02:04
fabbionecef: oh ok02:04
trukuloi've got one ati IGP 320m at home02:04
fabbionedaniels: beginning of november is ok with me02:05
trukulovery problematic02:05
trukulodaniels, don't you have one very similar in your laptop?02:05
fabbionedaniels: it will give us more time to work in case of problems02:05
danielstrukulo: um, my laptop is dead :)02:05
fabbionecef, daniels: don't forget that my house will be a building site.. so we need to be careful handling hardware around.. specially for the dust02:05
trukulodaniels, ah, ok, i thought you had the same graphic target as me02:06
fabbionewe don't want anything getting damaged by it02:06
trukuloso, enyway, i've got ATI IGP 320, if you need anything bout that, tell me02:06
trukuloumm, when you install ubuntu in spanish, it install OOo in english02:07
ceffabbione: well these are all second hand cards.. and not like I need em anymore02:07
danielsfabbione: right. stock up on anti-static bags ;)02:07
danielstrukulo: um, the laptop I used to have had a mach6402:07
trukulono l10n package for spanish yet?02:07
trukulodaniels, so i was wrong bout that02:08
danielstrukulo: we've got 320 fairly well covered by keybuk02:08
khalekcef: you can only use so many cards at once also02:08
danielswho thoughtfully found a bug in my discover hack02:08
trukulodaniels, ok then02:08
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danielscef: red eye is love02:08
jonohi02:08
khalekred eye and video cards?02:08
cefkhalek: yes, but when you're testing X, a large diverse number of cards = very good02:08
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khalekcef: yes I meant reasons for you not keeping them02:08
jonoI have a weird problem - I had ubuntu running fine, then when I rebooted the machine, gdm would not start, I typed startx and the screen goes all fuzzy - when I run startx as root it works fine - any idea?02:08
cefkhalek: ahh .. heh02:09
khaleknm02:09
Keybukwell, I have an IGP340M, but I imagine they're similar enough02:09
KamionDeft: yes, we've been using it in development02:09
_axelhi, i just finished installing but base-config didnt ask me for the root password (either that or i'm too tired and i didnt spot it / did something wrong), thing is i cant login as root now, what can i do?02:09
Mithrandir_axel: log in as yourself and use sudo02:09
_axelbut sudo asks me for the password02:09
cefyou shouldn't log in as root02:09
Deftyour password02:09
Keybuk_axel: your password, not root's02:09
cefgive it the users password02:10
_axelah02:10
jonoany idea how to fix this video problem02:10
_axelsec02:10
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KamionI should have thought to get the amd64 image ages ago, really02:10
Deftanyway, monitor autodetection didn't work for me, but it does with the normal debian installer, any thoughts where the problem is?02:10
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jonois it something to do with /dev/pmu and incorrect permissions - what is /dev/pmu?02:10
_axeloh, it works02:11
cefok.. I'm gonna go collapse.. got to work at 8am, left work at 9pm.. dead tired02:11
KamionDeft: we use quite different monitor autodetection so the two aren't comparable; file an xresprobe bug, I guess02:11
_axelbut isnt that like, insecure?02:11
Deftok02:11
Kamionjono: /dev/pmu is the power management device on powermacs; the error dialog is a GNOME bug02:11
_axelor am i supposed to disable it in sudoers later?02:11
danielscef: night dude, sleep well02:11
cef_axel: only applies to the first user02:11
Kamion_axel: no, the initial user generally is the person with physical access so has root anyway02:11
danielsjono: that X stuff sounds like random complete arse02:11
jonodaniels, random complete arse? huh? :P02:12
Kamion_axel: you can of course disable it if this isn't true02:12
jonoKamion, ahhh right02:12
Keybuk_axel: sudo is as secure as su, some suggest more-so because you don't need a shared root password that can be "found out".  And the user created during install is the only one given sudo access by default, and they're the one that generally sets the root password anymore02:12
_axelKamion, it isnt cause i created a foo user first (because my files in my $HOME partition have uid 1001 so i want them to match my real user when i create it)02:12
_axelbut i'll sort it out, thanks02:12
fabbionecef: well .. it's still hardware to take car of02:12
fabbionecare even02:12
jonodaniels, any idea how I can fix it?02:13
danielsfabbione: heh02:13
danielsjono: no idea, sorry -- since they both use the same config file, it sounds impossible02:13
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danielsmeaning, i have no clue :)02:13
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jonodaniels, yeah - its weird02:13
jonoI will reboot again02:13
ceffabbione: true. but now it's daniels's problem. *grin*02:13
fabbionecef: ahaha02:14
_axelshould i have a 'Desktop preferences' submenu? cause i cant find it02:14
rburton_axel: under computer02:14
Keybuk_axel: under Computer02:14
danielscef: heh02:14
cefSEP - someone elses problem02:14
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_axelah k02:15
_axelsrc brb02:15
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fabbionecef: SNMP - simply not my problem :)02:16
_axeluhm, i have no 'computer'02:16
ceffabbione: heh .. I like that one02:16
Kamionwow, "jigdo" implemented with cat and rsync works surprisingly well02:17
Keybuk_axel: it should be the menu on the panel next to Applications02:17
Kamion(I had a complete amd64 mirror, just not the ISO ...)02:17
trukuloumm, it has x 4.3.99 isn't it?02:17
rburton_axel: sounds like you have not got the panel menu applet added02:17
trukuloor it's 4.3.0 ?02:17
_axelrburton: whats it called?02:18
fabbionetrukulo: it's a 4.3.0 heavily patched02:18
fabbionealmost at 4.4RC202:18
trukulofabbione, ah, ok, thanks for info02:19
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fabbionetrukulo: np :-)02:20
trukuloi'm trying to install it in qemu, under sarge, and i'm writing a little review in spanish about it02:20
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trukuloin qemu, installation (i'm here) seems to work allright02:21
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fabbionei don't think we ever tested a qemu installation..02:22
JanneMI have02:22
trukuloso i'm doing one02:22
fabbionetrukulo: it would be nice if you can tell me how X will behave02:22
JanneMIm'm writing a howto right now02:22
_axeluhm, where do i tweak stuff so i can fetch normal debian packages? i need gossip and texmacsa02:22
fabbioneJanneM: nice 02:22
_axeltexmacs i mean02:23
trukulofabbione, you can count with it02:23
fabbione_axel: just enable universe in your sources.list02:23
trukuloscrollkeeper is taking a LOT of time to be configured here02:23
fabbionetrukulo: thanks02:23
JanneMworks fine, though not very fast02:23
fabbionetrukulo: yes. all our documentation is registered02:23
JanneMtrukulo: took me well over an hour02:23
trukulook02:23
trukuloJanneM, similar here, then02:23
JanneMmm02:23
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JanneMI was afraid it had hung or something02:24
Kamionscrollkeeper's inordinately slow; research into whether it can be speeded up would be appreciated02:24
trukulobecause i'm working at the same time i'm installing it02:24
_axelwill i be able to use the nvidia drivers easily under ubuntu?02:24
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fabbione_axel: that02:25
fabbione_axel: that's what i am working on right now :-)02:25
Maydayinstall question: can i install to a partition without formating it first?02:25
_axelheh02:25
fabbione_axel: for the preview release is a bit rough.. for final there should be a simple command like: nvidia enable or nvidia disable02:25
_axelfabbione: hurry up, i will need my daily fix of Enemy Territory soon ;)02:25
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mjg59Mayday: The installer will format the partition during install, but it needs to be formatted at some point02:26
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fabbione_axel: it won't be in the archive before monday or tuesday. i need to test it heavily02:26
_axelfabbione: any website / mailing list or whatever where i can find progress updates or whatever? 02:26
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trukuloMayday, i think you can, but i'm not sure02:26
KamionMayday: what do you mean by "install to"?02:26
mjg59Mayday: Or do you mean you have a partition that's already formatted? That shouldn't be a problem02:26
fabbione_axel: in the meanwhile you can install linux-restricted-modules and nvidia-glx02:26
fabbione_axel: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to enable the nvidia driver02:26
KamionMayday: do you mean mounting a previously created /home partition or something?02:26
trukulostarting GDM in qemu right now02:27
fabbione_axel: echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia02:27
KamionMayday: if you're talking about the / partition, it must be formatted first02:27
fabbione_axel: that's what you need to do02:27
_axelfabbione: k02:27
Kamion(the installer will do that if it's told to do so, as previously mentioned)02:27
MaydayKamion: hda: boot hdb:ntfs hdc:reiserfs hdd:swap02:27
fabbione_axel: there are mailing lists (see topic) but i don't post on a daily base like: "addeded 20 lines to this script or that one" ;)02:27
trukulofabbione, seems right, X starts02:28
fabbione_axel: i usually do an announce or something when the time is good02:28
fabbionetrukulo: did you get any question?02:28
fabbionetrukulo: about X config02:28
trukuloyes :) user02:28
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trukulono, bout config only resolution02:28
trukulonothing more02:28
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fabbionetrukulo: good.. i was expecting only one since qemu uses a VESA amulation02:29
fabbioneemulation even02:29
trukuloyes02:29
fabbioneok back to work :-)02:29
trukuloso only that question, resolution02:29
MaydayKamion: i want to install to hdc without formating it so i can keep my /home directory intact02:29
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trukuloif you want anything more, tell me02:29
fabbionetrukulo: not for me.. thanks a lot!02:29
julienhi, I'm interested in ubuntu distrib02:29
julienbut I want to know if there some .deb or rpm or special packet for ubuntu02:30
jdubjulien: ubuntu is based on debian02:30
JanneMI tried to set the resolution higher than 1024x768, but apparently the virtual hardware won't allow it02:30
julienthis I know, so bassically we could use some .deb with it?02:31
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jdubjulien: most of what you'll need is included in ubuntu,02:31
jdubjulien: either supported (in main) or unsupported (in universe)02:31
jdubjulien: we don't recommend mixing and matching packages02:31
Deftdoes that include libdvdcss2?02:31
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Rambler_jdub : unsupported packages don't get bug fixes ?02:32
julienyou mean in .deb or compil?02:32
jdubDeft: nah, that's okay (i have it here)02:32
jdubRambler_: we don't concentrate on them too much, but we're very open to fixes and so on from the community :_)02:32
Rambler_jdub : are you an ubuntu employee ? (well, the company that supports ubuntu whose name I don't remember)02:33
jdubRambler_: things like build fixes and so on would be great02:33
jdubRambler_: yeah, canonical02:33
Rambler_that's it02:33
Rambler_nice to have canonical staff on the irc support channel02:33
jdublots of us here :-)02:33
Rambler_I must admin that ubuntu looks GREAT02:33
ggiWhat goes into universe? I keep looking for random packages I use on Debian and not finding them.02:33
jdubDeft: the stuff in christian marillat's proprietary/scary media repository seem to work okay02:34
Rambler_I've been using debian for years and the thing that pisses me off more is the long periods of time of the stable distro, and the lack of commercial support. Both things can be found in ubuntu while maintaining the debian philosophy. Definitely great. Congrats dudes02:34
jdubggi: universe is pretty much everything in debian's main that is not in our main02:34
jdubggi: some stuff does not build correctly02:34
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ggijdub: Ah. What I was just looking for would probably be included in contrib.02:35
ZombRambler_: commercial support? ;)02:35
jdubaha, yeah02:35
Rambler_Zomb, doesn't canonical provide paying support for ubuntu ?02:35
kalishmm... why isn't smb share browsing working in my freshly installed Ubuntu? entering a path like smb://user:pass@server/share does not work here... ;)02:36
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juliencould we use apt-get for ubuntu or special command?02:37
ZombRambler_: ?? You can hire a consultant / support company for Debian, there is a list in the Debian docs02:37
ggiYeah, it is in contrib, now I check. Does universe not include the contrib stuff at all?02:37
Rambler_Zomb, I know but they're not "official" you know ... they're not like red hat enterprise ones. And I thought canonical was providing this service02:37
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trukulojulien, apt-get02:38
jdubggi: no02:38
jdubRambler_: yes02:39
jdubjulien: it's just like debian :-)02:39
Rambler_jdub, yes what ? :-)02:39
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jdubjulien: because it's based on debian :-)02:39
jdubRambler_: commercial support02:39
Rambler_jdub, oh, I see02:39
Lodurielhi02:39
Rambler_nice02:39
Rambler_see ya02:40
juliena parle franais ici?02:40
trukuloumm, jdub isn't it a good idea put apt-watch by default in a panel?02:40
julienest-ce que je peux installaer ubuntu du net02:40
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julienet switcher une dbian PPC?02:40
Clintjulien: oui02:41
Lodurieloh! y'a des francais...02:41
jdubtrukulo: you can if you want, we'll have a solution for that in Hoary02:41
trukulono, i mean, i know i can02:41
trukuloi ask if it would be a good idea for ubuntu02:41
trukuloby default02:41
trukuloi know how to make it, i'm used to work with sid a lot, so ubuntu for me it's very easy to tweak02:42
trukulobut i mean, will be good for ubuntu apt-watch by default?02:42
jdubtrukulo: we chose not to use apt-watch, but we'll have something like it in Hoary02:42
trukulojdub, ah, ok02:43
trukuloah, if any of you want a spanish personal review of ubuntu, here you have mine:02:43
trukulohttp://mercurio.homeip.net/blog/32/02:43
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Deft_uis oss mixer emulation going to be a permanent feature?02:45
jdubimbecilidades 8)02:45
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trukulojdub, i said, personal review :)02:46
koke:D02:46
trukuloi prefer term "gilipolleces"02:46
jdubDeft: depends how well apps/libs start using alsa02:46
koketrukulo: gilipolleces suena mejor :)02:46
jdubestoy buscando mis pantalones  <- my only spanish :)02:46
trukuloit means "arsehole things, more less"02:46
koke:D02:46
JanneMok, I have a first draft of a howto for using qemu - any suggestions what I do with it?02:46
trukulokoke, suelto las dos02:46
trukulo:)02:46
Deft_ujdub: is there someway to remove it from gnome-volume-control in the mean time?02:46
JanneMsend to the mailing list?02:46
trukuloJanneM, if you want hosting or a web to write it, tell me02:47
trukuloi'm webmaster of Barcelona Lug02:47
jdubJanneM: perhaps mail -users?02:47
whiprushanyone remember the release date for warty final? My brain is dead and I can't find it on the site.02:47
trukuloso we can put in our page, we have 3 official languages02:47
JanneMwellmm02:47
trukulospanish, catalan and english02:47
jdubDeft_u: oh, no unfortunately02:47
jdubDeft_u: i believe that will be fixed in gnome 2.1002:48
jdubDeft_u: so will be much nicer in hoary :)02:48
JanneMtrukulo: since you have done the same install, you probably have a lot to add to it02:48
Kamionwhiprush: 13 October02:48
whiprushthanks02:48
trukuloprobably, so if you want, put it on our web, you're very wellcome02:48
Kamionwhiprush: (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fReleaseSchedule)02:48
Deft_ucool, ok, next thing, could x11 not xv be made the default gstreamer sink for cards/drivers with no video acceleration?02:48
JanneMsure02:48
trukuloit's drupal , so you can register and send the article very easy02:48
trukulohttp://badopi.org02:48
trukuloyou can use it in english02:49
JanneMum02:49
trukulonow, i have to go home, time for lunch02:49
trukulosee you later02:51
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lenkkiAny one of the developers here ?02:51
lenkkiMight I suggest the use of a separate /boot partition, and reiserfs3 (or reiser4) for '/' ?02:52
rburtonas reiser3 is deprecated and reiser4 isn't finished, that sounds like a bad idea to me02:53
YcrosI thought reiser4 was finished?02:53
Kamionlenkki: The defaults are best left vanilla, we think; ReiserFS and XFS both have both very vocal advocates and very vocal detractors, so choosing either by default would be likely to annoy a lot of people.02:53
Kamionlenkki: You can set it up as you like with the manual partitioner, of course.02:54
lenkkiI used the auto partitioner 02:54
rburtonit would be nice if bash completion was on by default, should i file a bug or will it be closed?02:54
kalisIsn't KDE included in the ubuntu APT repositories?02:54
kalis;)02:55
lenkkiI have to say that I'm actually quite impressed by ubuntu everything just worked :) 02:55
JanneMwill be, I think02:55
rburtonkalis: uncomment universe in  sources.list02:55
kalisrburton: Oooh! Thanks...02:55
Kamionrburton: sourcing the bash completion script slows down starting a shell by a good second for me :(02:56
rburtonKamion: there is that :/02:56
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lenkkibut I woun't be leaving gentoo just yet, I love portage, and I'm somewhat skeptic about apt-get the memories from older debian releases still lives on in my mind..02:56
azeemapt-get used to rock much more relatively back then02:57
Kamionouch, I have 34 bugs. when did that happen?02:57
azeemif you are not talking about bo or so, of course02:57
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rburtoni predict most portage "lovers" will dislike ubuntu02:58
will|werkthe installer dislikes my dual dvi card, if anyone cares02:58
lenkkiI don't dislike ubuntu, actually I would recommend it to my friends who wants to try linux... but I just can't part with portage <302:59
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Kamionwill|werk: what happened?02:59
kalisHAHA! I think my gnome session just crashed, big time. All applications i start, the start as two terminals, two synaptics, two gedit's and so on ;)02:59
will|werkKamion: X fails to find any displays03:00
will|werki presume that its looking for analouge ones03:00
will|werki have an xfx nvidia 6800GT dual dvi03:00
Kamionwill|werk: Fabio posted some instructions on ubuntu-users recently with what he needs to debug this kind of problem; search for "xresprobe"03:00
will|werkah cool03:00
Kamionalthough replace "ati" with "nv" I guess03:00
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will|werki've had this problem before with x when i had a dvi+d-sub card, when i was installing a different distro (when i had my monitor on the dvi port)03:02
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will|werki had to hack up several config files for my dvi output to work03:02
will|werkbut i am a total newb03:02
will|werkso i guess its the same problem, just i can't default to an analouge output03:03
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will|werki have been instructed on how to install the official nvidia driver03:05
will|werkso i think that should solve it03:05
will|werkwhen i get home03:05
felixwell, i got a bit further with h/w 3d nvidia drivers on amd64 now...03:06
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will|werkits a shame that you can't bundle the official drivers on the CD03:07
felixanyone know if the /usr/lib64 /usr/lib32 etc layout is kinda 'standard' on ubunto for amd64?03:07
felixI think you can, just not Free03:07
Mithrandirfelix: what do you mean by standard?03:07
will|werkyeah, thats what i mean felix03:08
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felixwell, the nvidia installer seems to expect something different, puts 32bit libs in /lib03:08
Mithrandirthen it's stupid.03:08
felixaye will03:08
Mithrandirthough, it might work.03:08
felixnah, had to unpack and do it myself03:09
Mithrandirfelix: it'll stay that until we/debian/I implement multiarch which will solve the issue In The Right Way.03:09
felixahhh. deadrat etc do that now?03:09
beezlywill|werk: you get the nvidia driver to work?03:09
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will|werkbeezly: still at work03:09
azeemfelix: who is deadrat?03:09
felixwell mostly, textures are all screwy in wolf-et03:09
will|werkjust slacking off03:09
Mithrandirfelix: I don't know what RH/FC do.03:09
ZombMithrandir: the right way costs too much manpower03:09
mxpxpodhas anyone else using ppc had problems with their machine hanging on shutdown?03:09
MithrandirZomb: no, it doesn't.03:09
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felixer that's redhat azeem03:10
felix=)03:10
MithrandirZomb: the right solution is probably < 3 man months to implement.03:10
mxpxpodmine hangs when it gets to "Unmounting local drives..."03:10
ZombMithrandir: then ubuntu will be the first Debian release with amd64 support ;)03:10
MithrandirZomb: ubuntu _is_ the first Debian(derived) release with amd64 support.03:11
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MithrandirTTBOMK, at least.03:11
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azeemMithrandir: you haven't released yet, no?03:12
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Zomboh03:12
ZombMithrandir: is it based on pure64?03:12
Mithrandirazeem: preview release, then.03:12
MithrandirZomb: somewhat, yes.03:12
MithrandirZomb: we've taken patches from pure64, but we've also done some things ourselves.03:12
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felixwhatever you did, it works very well I must say. thanks!03:13
Mithrandiria32-libs and openoffice.org are done by me, for instance.03:13
Mithrandirsince the ia32-libs in debian is unsuitable.03:13
azeemMithrandir: okie :)03:13
Mithrandirit doesn't include source.03:13
azeemMithrandir: was just checking, but it seems Progeny doesn't do amd64 these days03:13
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Zombs,es,ed,03:13
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MithrandirZomb: I've been NMU-ing stuff in Debian as well as working on ubuntu, Kamion has been doing d-i work while working on ubuntu, lamont has driven his buildds as usual; that we include a bunch of DDs doesn't mean they stop working on Debian.03:14
jdublots of patches being generated :)03:15
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Mithrandirjdub: that as well.03:15
jdubpbor: dude :)03:15
jdubpbor: nice to see you here :)03:16
mxpxpodok, why does evolution want to spawn a new spamd instance when it checks my mail?03:16
delYsidOh well, yet another fork.03:16
MithrandirdelYsid: but one giving a lot back.03:16
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jdubmxpxpod: for junk checking03:16
tsengmxpxpod: you can tell it to use the daemon iirc03:16
delYsidlets hope that.03:16
jdubmxpxpod: you can turn it off03:16
jdubdelYsid: it's already very much that :)03:16
mxpxpodjdub: I want it to check junk, but it shouldn't spawn a new process if I have spamd running already03:16
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jdubmxpxpod: it uses a user-spamd for some reason03:17
MithrandirdelYsid: http://www.no-name-yet.com/patches/03:17
delYsidAt least from just browsing the Packages file, I found a crazy bug :-)03:17
rburtonmxpxpod: it used to do some weird checking for the system spamd and was very picky03:17
pborjdub: warty looks great... I'll test it out a bit on my desktop (I'm not yet used to debian) and then I'll prolly go for it also on the laptop03:17
kalisWhen i start a application from the gnome menu it starts multiple instances of it. Is this a bug that anybody else has?03:17
mxpxpodrburton: suck...03:17
=== jdub wrote a bogofilter patch for it, but it's not appropriate yet
jdubpbor: cool!03:17
MithrandirdelYsid: what bug?03:17
tsengid like it to connect to spamd on another box03:18
ZombMithrandir: though, Sarge is not released. Ask you why. Ask you about what can be done to change the situtation. Ubuntu derivate is nice and has deserved its place under the sun but after all, we are Debian developers and should force the main distro into a releaseable state. And not play around with other stuff and let the sinking ship sink, deeper and deeper.03:19
diemanfix the social issues and you might see more willing workers :)03:19
diemanie: flamewar every disagrement03:20
MithrandirZomb: I'm working on Debian, but that doesn't pay the mortage.03:20
Zombor we simply realize that Debian is fscked up by its design and recreate the whole distro with a smaller set of packages. Like ubuntu.03:20
diemanand GR every time the flamewar happens03:20
diemanthats totally depressing03:20
Mithrandirdieman: you are exaggerating a bit, though03:20
diemanok, i guess.03:20
jdubZomb: hrm, i think you'll find that the contribution back from ubuntu development has assisted sarge quite a lot.03:20
diemanbut its annoying.03:20
Mithrandirdieman: on that I agree :)03:21
jdubZomb: we're all working on debian, in work time and play time. :)03:21
mxpxpodhrmm... the spamd check worked in debian... why not on ubuntu...03:22
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MithrandirZomb: trust me, I run a bunch of servers with Debian on them, and I would _very much_ want to see sarge out the door soon.03:23
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KamionZomb: you're not the only person thinking about this.03:25
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KamionZomb: the fact that I have a different day job now which happens to involve Debian doesn't mean that I'm not working on Debian in my spare time any more; I used to have a day job which *didn't* involve Debian.03:25
jdubpbor: yep :)03:26
jdubKamion: we have a joke in gnome03:26
pborjdub: thanks... I'm a deb noob :)03:26
jdub8 hours work, 8 hours gnome, 8 hours sleep03:26
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jdubKamion: which ends up being 16 hours gnome for a lot of people :)03:26
Kamionjdub: :-)03:27
jdub(sometimes it's easy to forget that)03:27
matladsheh03:27
delYsidMithrandir: Ripping out 'brltty' makes 'libbrlapi' unusable.03:27
MithrandirdelYsid: pardon?03:27
delYsidThe Packages file only has libbrlapi, but not brltty.03:28
Mithrandirit's in universe, I guess, then03:28
delYsidahhhh03:28
delYsidoh well, I know why I initially didn't want to dive into this...03:28
delYsidbetter keep my mouth shut if I dont get things03:29
MithrandirdelYsid: no, please point out things, though you might stumble over non-bugs, you might just as well stumble over bugs as well, and we would very much like those fixed.03:29
mxpxpodjdub: where do you work?03:29
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jdubmxpxpod: little professional services company called canonical03:30
xcasex*grin*03:30
mxpxpodjdub: located in .au, I would guess03:30
delYsidMithrandir: I'm afraid I already have too many undone things in Debian already...03:30
whiprushhey xcasex, you try the ppc disc yet?03:30
jdubmxpxpod: isle of man, as it happens03:30
jdubhey xcasex 03:30
ajmitch_there wouldn't happen to be an .nz mirror for downloading, would there? :)03:31
mxpxpodjdub: I'd like to find a company where I could work on GNOME all day long :)03:31
xcasexheya jdub, whiprush 03:31
jdubso would i ;)03:31
xcasexwhiprush, yeah works like a charm :)03:31
mxpxpodjdub: hehe03:31
rburtonjdub: you love being release bitch, admit it03:31
mxpxpodrburton: where do you work?03:32
rburtonmxpxpod: small startup in london03:32
jdubs/release/ross's/03:32
rburtonjdub: haha03:32
whiprushxcasex: if you get a chance can you blog about it? or post somewhere? I need to make a decision on a laptop soon and I'm strongly considering ppc.03:32
xcasexwhiprush, Definetly :)03:32
mxpxpodrburton: and do you work on linux/gnome stuff all day?03:32
whiprushwoo.03:32
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rburtonmxpxpod: i wish!03:33
jdubwhiprush: dude, so i bought this dell x30003:33
jdubwhiprush: it's pretty rad03:33
mxpxpodxcasex: have you had a problem with shutting down your ibook? mine hangs at "Unmounting local filesystems..."03:33
whiprushoh man, we bought like 30 of those for work.03:33
jdubmxpxpod: ross works on javur03:33
xcasexmxpxpod, nope :)03:33
whiprushyou get the extended battery?03:33
rburtonmxpxpod: i've spent the last week wondering why a smartcard chip isn't responding to a reset03:33
rburtonjdub: and embedded03:33
jdubwhiprush: one of each03:33
mxpxpodrburton: fun stuff03:33
whiprushgood good.03:33
whiprushyeah those things are great, our users love them.03:33
jdubwhiprush: only bummer is acpi stuff needs weird aml/dsdt hacking03:33
jdubbut otherwise it's cool03:34
whiprushwe got the media bay with burners for them and everything.03:34
whiprushno 6 pin firewire is a bummer, but it's hard to find pc laptops that have it. :-/03:34
whiprushoff to work bbl.03:35
jdubrburton: javur is embedded. up my ar--03:36
rburtonjdub: the java i do runs on desktops, i deal with the embedded assembler. oh what fun.03:37
tsengi just uploaded an f-spot package03:37
jdubtseng: rad!03:37
tsenghaving trouble with monodevelop03:37
tsenggot all the deps updated, but it fails to build03:37
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mxpxpodtseng: what's your repo's address?03:38
tseng deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./03:38
tsengyou need universe also03:38
tsengapt-get install blam muine f-spot03:38
mxpxpodtseng: powerpc?03:39
tsenghaha no03:39
mxpxpodsuck03:39
tsengi dont have one03:39
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tsengcurrently accepting donations of powerbooks03:39
mxpxpodthere aren't mono-mcs or mono-assemblies-arch debs in the ubuntu universe repo03:39
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tsengthey are in mine03:40
tsengif you have an i386 that is03:40
mxpxpodtseng: :P03:40
mwh_Hi, I have a little problem installing ubuntu-preview, after first reboot my machine halts just after Setting the System Clock using the Hardware Clock as a reference03:40
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tsengfor the low price of a new powerbook, ill build them on ppc for you03:40
mwh_hmm a ctrl-c helped03:40
mxpxpodtseng: haha, riiiight03:40
beezlytseng: cross-compile? :)03:41
tsengbeezly: hah03:41
tsengccx sucks03:41
tsengbesides, id need to test the packages :)03:41
beezlyah, ofcourse03:41
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ZombKamion: you are right. In fact, under the same circumstances I would do the same thing - look for a Debian related full-time job.03:43
azeemthe option not to copy everything over is archive-copy=false, right?03:44
jdubtseng: had to use libgtkhtml3.0?03:45
Kamionazeem: archive-copier/copy=false03:45
azeemah, thx03:45
tsengjdub: hmm i dont believe so03:45
tsengi didnt have to build anything special for f-spot03:45
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jdubtseng: it's in universe, later libgtkhtml3.x packages are in main03:46
tsenghmm i used what was on my system03:46
mwh_it could be great if the user could be asked if the time should be set from the hwclock or the internet during install03:46
jdubhrm, f-spot has no icon...?03:46
rburtonmwh_: ubuntu installs ntpdate which syncs automatically on boot03:47
Kamionrburton: interestingly, though, ntpdate runs before pcmcia03:47
rburtonKamion: urgh :)03:48
Kamionso, if you have a pcmcia network card, you're out of luck ...03:48
tsengjdub: i have libgtkhtml3.0-403:48
mwh_rburton: o.k. it did not work during this install .. my computer stalled, and to get going I needed to press ctrl-c 03:49
mwh_then the ntpdate program failed03:49
mwh_anyways maybe it works better next time I install03:49
JanneMI can boot without network03:49
JanneMdoesn't hang03:50
JanneMntp fails, but nothing fatal03:50
mwh_well my problem is with my computer-clock, it cannot be set03:50
mwh_so whenever some program tries to set the hwclock that program just stalls03:50
kokewhat about backgrounding it, like dhcpo?03:50
kokedhcp, sorry03:50
mwh_I use ntp to set the time on my laptop each time I boot03:51
mwh_unfortunatly that failed for some reason during my install03:51
Kamionkoke: hm, risky, I can imagine programs getting confused by the time randomly changing under them03:51
azeemis there a way to mount an unrelated partition over VT2? /dev does not seem to have disk nodes...03:52
jdubtseng: Filename: pool/universe/g/gtkhtml3.0/libgtkhtml3.0-4_3.0.10-1_i386.deb03:53
azeemduring 1st-stage install, that is03:53
rburtonazeem: its devfs, so /dev/ide/... 03:53
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azeemoh, you're using udev devfs like?03:53
azeemthx03:53
kokeKamion: yep, like xscreensaver ;)03:53
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tuggyhi03:54
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mwh_are all languages available after install?03:54
mwh_Like can I switch between them?03:55
RobarI have a quick kinda newbie question about the install, could someone possibly help me out?03:55
jdubRobar: for sure, fire away03:55
Kamionazeem: actually, the installer really uses devfs at the moment, not udev03:56
azeemyeah, I've noticed03:56
RobarWhen I installed, I had to use the noapic and nolapic option, or else the installer would hang before it got to the language detections screen.03:56
RobarAfter a successful install, the system reboot, I get "Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernel." And then it hangs, it won't go any further.03:56
KamionRobar: the noapic and nolapic options don't currently get copied into your grub configuration03:57
KamionRobar: it's on my list of things to fix before final release03:57
RobarThat's what I was wondering... I know how to edit grub before boot, but what/where do I add those options?03:57
KamionRobar: in the meantime, press escape at the countdown to get the grub menu, and edit the kernel line of the topmost menu entry, adding 'noapic nolapic' to the end03:57
Kamionthen 'b' to boot into that03:58
Riddelljdub: installer problem I mentioned to you http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/ubuntu-installer.png03:58
RobarOh, awesome, that worked. 03:58
RobarThank you Kamion so much.03:58
KamionRobar: you're welcome03:58
azeemRobar: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to make it permanent03:59
jdubRiddell: Kamion should be able to help03:59
KamionRiddell: installing from CD? looks like it might be a dodgy burn, high-speed writes have been known to be problematic sometimes03:59
azeemor will Grub save it automatically\03:59
RobarOkay, thanks azeem.03:59
azeem?03:59
Kamionazeem: don't think so03:59
stoffelhello, i have two problems with ubuntu (warning: i'm rather new to linux):03:59
stoffel(1) sound doesn't work03:59
Kamion(though you might be able to tell it to, I don't know grub all *that* well)03:59
RiddellKamion: that would make sense, not a very clear error message then04:00
stoffel(2) when selecting windows in grub, i get "ntldr not found"04:00
azeemhmm, pressing ctrl+alt+del during bootup results in base-config sitting there and not accepting any input. The box doesn't reboot either04:00
stoffeli have a ES1304:02
stoffel7104:02
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KamionRiddell: yeah, sorry about that, it really means "retrieve" rather than "download"04:02
sivangKamion : is there anything known about yesterday's daily not finishin install?04:03
sivangKamion : I got "ld got spanwed to quickly" again,04:03
RiddellKamion: should I submit a report to bugs.ubuntu?04:03
Kamionsivang: not been paying much attention to dailies I'm afraid, I'd be somewhat amazed if anything significant had changed since warty preview release though04:03
rburtonshould X load .Xdefaults when it starts?04:03
KamionRiddell: guess so, yeah, we can at least make the message clearer04:04
KamionRiddell: package base-installer, assign to cjwatson@canonical.com04:04
sivangKamio : where can i get the log of pkg installations ?04:04
Kamionsivang: note that the daily builds haven't been being synced recently anyway, due to problems with the torrents04:04
sivangKamion :  where can i get the log of pkg installations ?04:04
Kamionsivang: what do you mean?04:04
sivangKamion : well, i've gone past base install ok04:05
sivangKamion : i just want to see some evidance to what happend on the logs files,04:05
Kamionsivang: /var/log/messages then; if you've already rebooted, /var/log/debian-installer/messages and /var/log/base-config.log04:05
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Zombrburton: Xsession loads .Xresources, not .Xdefaults (iirc)04:06
Kamionno rush, I'm going out to buy cables shortly anyway04:06
sivangKamion : i'll  mail you the results, so far i havn't managed to found evidance to what happened on the logs ilfes04:06
sivangKamion : what kind of cables ? :)04:07
sivangKamio : CAT-5 ?04:07
Kamionno, computer<->monitor power04:07
tuggyerr... sorry, why cant i execute any files i download from the internet?04:07
will|werktuggy: chmod +x filename ?04:08
tuggydone it04:08
Kamiontuggy: you forgot to 'chmod +x' them?04:08
tuggy./command only gives me "permission denied"04:08
Kamiontuggy: is the filesystem they're on mounted noexec?04:08
Kamion(or 'user', which implies noexec?)04:08
tuggy. ./command gives me "bash: ELF04:08
tuggyi dont think so04:08
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Kamion. ./command definitely wouldn't work04:08
sivangKamion : rsync is proven to do that sync thingy good right? (I try to speculate if this is something wrong with the iso download)04:08
Kamionsivang: rsync's fine04:08
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Mithrandirtuggy: chmod +x command ; ./command, then?04:08
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KamionMithrandir: 15:08 < tuggy> ./command only gives me "permission denied"04:09
ZombBad interpreter? Wrong libc?04:09
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Kamiontuggy: what does 'mount' list for the filesystem you're on?04:09
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tuggyoh yeah.. noxec04:09
tuggy:/04:09
tuggybut its not on fstab04:09
azeemoh, is it *that* what the g-v-m option is good for?04:10
tuggyhow do we remove noexec?04:10
Zombis there a .jigdo file for the ubuntu images?04:10
sivangKamion : i'll rsync back to release then.04:10
azeemI always though it was about running some commands by default, like Windows does for CD-ROMs04:10
Zombbecause my internet traffic is expensive, access to the local Sid/Sarge mirror is not04:10
mxpxpodis there a planet for ubuntu?04:10
azeemtuggy: try configuration->Removable Storage and click on 'Run programs on removable media'04:11
azeemtuggy: dunno if that works though04:11
MithrandirZomb: afaik, no.  Talk to Kamion. :)04:11
RobarI have an NTFS volume that I want to read files from. I can mount it, but only the root user can read the volume. Is there a way to enable a normal user to mount and read an NTFS volume?04:11
azeemZomb: they have rebuilt main, they don't use the official Debian packages04:12
stoffeli get "/dev/dsp doesn't exist" when trying to play sound... what could i do?04:12
MithrandirRobar: mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt -o uid=$you_uid04:12
Zombazeem: urgs. Reduces the reuseability a lot.04:12
Mithrandirstoffel: is alsa-base installed?04:12
stoffeli think yes, but let's look04:13
tritiumtuggy, it needs to be in fstab for g-v-m to work the way you want.04:13
stoffelMithrandir: yes04:13
azeemtritium: no, fstab is handled/wrapped by pmount04:13
azeemtritium: AFAIK04:13
Mithrandirstoffel: what sound card do you have?04:13
RobarThank you Mithrandir.04:13
tuggytritium, it is in fstab04:14
stoffelES137104:14
tuggybut this shouldnt have anything to do with g-v-m04:14
tuggyis just a normal partition04:14
KamionZomb: we'll be doing jigdo, but it's not set up yet04:14
KamionZomb: however, a local sid/sarge mirror wouldn't help you anyway04:14
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tritiumazeem, I'm just reading what the README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/gnome-volume-manager says04:15
KamionZomb: (oh yeah, azeem said that)04:15
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azeemtritium: it's not updated I guess04:15
Mithrandirstoffel: is the snd-ens1371 module loaded?04:15
azeemtritium: file a bug04:15
Kamionpersuade the local mirror admins to mirror warty too :)04:15
RobarZomb: Have you tried the torrent? It downloaded the entire image in less then an hour for me.04:15
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KamionRobar: that wouldn't help with traffic costs04:15
stoffelMithrandir: how do i check (sorry, i'm new to linux)04:15
Mithrandirstoffel: lsmod | grep snd-ens137104:15
RobarSorry, guess I wasn't paying attention to what he wanted.04:16
Mithrandirstoffel: if that returns anything, then you have the module loaded.04:16
stoffelMithrandir: no...04:16
Kamiontuggy: well, 'mount -o remount,exec <mount point>' would remove noexec temporarily04:16
Mithrandirstoffel: if you try to run modprobe snd-ens1371 , does that work?04:16
stoffelMithrandir: wait: snd_ens1371 return04:16
Kamionthe g-v-m option's more permanent though04:16
RobarYou guys are sending out free pressed CDs though, aren't you04:17
Mithrandirstoffel: hm, a bit weird, then.04:17
Kamionyes04:17
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KamionRobar: shipit.ubuntulinux.org04:17
Mithrandirstoffel: could you run dmesg | less and cut and paste anything looking like it has anything to do with the sound card in a /msg to me?04:17
RobarZomb could use that if he's willing to wait a little bit.04:17
beezlyKamion: haha I misread that as shitpit.ubuntulinux.org04:17
Mithrandirstoffel: arrows to scroll, q to quit less.04:17
beezlyKamion: shouldn't have two pints at lunch :)04:18
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stoffelMithrandir: i'll try04:18
stoffelMithrandir: thanks for helping04:18
Mithrandirstoffel: my pleasure. :)04:18
RobarKamion, Mithrandir: Thanks for your help guys. I'm out for now. Great distro, thanks.04:19
MithrandirRobar: np, happy to help.04:19
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stoffelMithrandir: the only line with sound is "devfs_mk_dev: could not append to parent for sound/audio"04:22
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Mithrandirstoffel: if you look for 1371, do you find anything?04:23
stoffel_Mithrandir: negative04:24
Mithrandirstoffel: /1371<enter> will search for it.04:24
Mithrandirhmm, weird.04:24
Mithrandirconsidering the module seems to be loaded.04:24
stoffel_Mithrandir: i tried dmesg | grep 137104:24
Mithrandirstoffel_: could you rmmod snd_ens1371 ; modprobe snd_ens1371 ?04:24
stoffel_Mithrandir: ERRO: Module snd_ens1371 is in use04:25
jdublamont: ping04:26
Mithrandirstoffel_: ah, ok.  Sorry, mea culpa, we're chasing the wrong bug.04:26
Mithrandirstoffel_: is snd_pcm_oss loaded?04:26
mxpxpodis there any chance of gst-ffmpeg getting into ubuntu?04:27
stoffel_Mithrandir: do i check with modprobe again?04:27
Mithrandirstoffel_: lsmod | grep snd.pcm.oss04:28
Mithrandirstoffel_: . matches anything04:28
jdubmxpxpod: perhaps in universe, but legal concerns, yada yada. we'll see.04:28
Mithrandir(since the kernel is sometimes confused wrt - vs _)04:28
mxpxpodjdub: heh, damn legal concerns :)04:28
linux_mafiajdub, finally sussed my no hal start problem, it would have to be the bloody microsoft mouse that does it, heh04:28
mxpxpodjdub: I guess for now I'll have to install it manually04:28
jdublinux_mafia: huh? bong! :)04:29
lamontjdub: yo04:29
jdublinux_mafia: that's a weird one, can you see what's happening?04:29
stoffel_Mithrandir: with grep oss it finds: snd_pcm_oss, snd_mixer_oss, snd_pcm, snd04:29
jdublamont: hey, did you end up fixing the weird python depends problems stopping things like offlineimap being built?04:29
mxpxpodjdub: why are schemas still installed in /etc/gconf?04:30
Mithrandirstoffel_: hmm.. this is getting weird.  Does cat /dev/sndstat tell you that you have some audio devics?04:30
rburtonmxpxpod: seb128 is lame04:30
mxpxpodrburton: haha04:30
linux_mafiajdub, it puts an invalid utf-8 string thats a copywrite sign or some such, so hald cant start, this is fixed in hal_0.2.97-0.1_i386.deb in debian testing04:30
jdubmxpxpod: we froze before those changes04:30
mxpxpodjdub: ah, ok04:30
jdubmxpxpod: also, seb128 is lame04:30
lamontjdub: depended on the package - we fixed the individual packages by adding the Build-Dep04:30
jdubSEB ROCKS!04:30
jdublamont: aha04:31
jdublamont: bum04:31
stoffel_Mithrandir: yes, it finds the devices 0 (tv card) and 1 (es1371 (duplex))04:31
linux_mafiajdub, since ubuntu is 2.92... i'll gues i'll have to wait or do a little mixing and matching with debian testing04:31
lamontjdub: got a package in particular?04:32
jdublamont: offlineimap04:32
jdublamont: pretty popular, on the supported list for hoary, etc.04:32
mxpxpodjdub: did you talk to jbailey about the escaping fix in evo-exchange?04:32
jdublinux_mafia: could you file a bug about that? we should fix it :)04:32
Mithrandirstoffel_: and you have files named pcm* in /dev/snd?04:33
jdubmxpxpod: no04:33
mxpxpodwait, it wasn't jbailey04:33
mxpxpodit was tritium04:33
lamontjdub: me investigates04:33
jdublamont: thanks04:33
stoffel_Mithrandir: yes. several04:33
mxpxpodjdub: I guess evo-exchange escapes some stuff that exchange servers don't like escaped04:33
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linux_mafiajdub, no worries man, apart from that little fiasco everything is perfect, this is the distro ive been waiting for ;) youre bluetooth packages rock too, bt dongle and an se t610, works perfectly04:34
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rburtonseb128: I LOVE YOU DUDE04:34
Mithrandirstoffel_: do you have a /dev/dsp file?04:34
jdublinux_mafia: sweet04:34
seb128arf04:34
seb128rburton: :)04:34
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stoffel_Mithrandir: yes04:34
rburtongroup hug!04:34
linux_mafiaooohhh warm fuzzies, heh04:35
Mithrandirstoffel_: ok, then it's probably just esd not running.04:35
mxpxpodseb128: just so you know, I don't think you're lame :)04:35
Mithrandirstoffel_: if you run esd -nobeeps, does playing music work?04:35
seb128I'm worried now :p04:35
seb128mxpxpod: thanks :)04:35
jdubseb128: he's saying that he doesn't have evidence to suggest that you're lame, not that he truly believes that you are not lame04:35
seb128ah ah04:35
stoffel_Mithrandir: when i run esd, it tells me "/dev/dsp: No such device"... strange04:35
jdubseb128: so i suggest we kick some butt!04:36
psihow do I go about handing in a translation of the "Computer" menu?04:36
psimailing list?04:36
mxpxpodjdub: well, basically ;)04:36
Mithrandirstoffel_: that's weird.04:36
Tomcat_stoffel_: Any audio/video devices except your sound card?04:36
stoffel_Tomcat_: yes, the tv-card04:37
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Tomcat_Oh I see you got the same error as I had yesterday.04:37
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Tomcat_Your TV card is /dev/dsp... your sound card is /dev/dsp104:37
MithrandirTomcat_: did you find a workaround?04:37
Tomcat_Yeah, wait.04:37
stoffel_great04:37
Tomcat_Read that: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=129304:37
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jdubstub: oh, back home?04:37
Mithrandirstoffel_: esd -d /dev/dsp1 ?04:37
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Tomcat_Yeah try with dsp1 first, to see if it's working at all.04:37
Tomcat_Sound might be muted though... or on volume 0, check that.04:38
stoffel_Mithrandir: hooray.. 04:38
stubjdub: Yup04:38
stoffel_Tomcat_: in my quest for sound, i unmuted everything i found ;-)04:39
lamontjdub: offlineimap and 22 others are so blocked.  I'll upload offlineimap shortly (meets criteria), and look at the rest in a bit.04:39
Tomcat_:P04:39
Mithrandirstoffel_: ok, cool. look at the bug Tomcat_ posted; there's a workaround in there04:39
jdublamont: awesome, thanks04:39
jdublamont: (would be a bit sucky to have python foo not working ;)04:39
stoffel_thanks, tomcat and mithrandir!04:39
Tomcat_No prob... was hard finding that out though.04:39
stoffel_i'll bother you later with my second problem ;-)04:39
Mithrandirstoffel_: but as mdz writes in the bug, we need to fix this properly.04:39
Tomcat_Yeah, the blacklist/whitelist idea looks good to me.04:40
lamontmany of the packages have names beginning with 'python-'04:40
talosa04:40
Tomcat_A bt87x card will almost never be a sound card. :P04:40
Mithrandiror we could make esd a bit smarter.04:41
andredSo I thought Ubuntus latest release would not accept updates apart from security updates, like Debian stable. But now I see that for an example new xchat packages have been added. Or am I misstaking?04:41
azeemandred: it's a prerelease04:41
Mithrandirandred: it's a preview release.04:41
lamontandred: critical fixes between preview and release04:41
jdubandred: not added, bugfix uploads ;)04:41
andredHm, ok. I thought so too first, but sinced the urgency  was 'low' I guessed that wasn't the case.04:42
lamontwe're also allowed to fix packages in universe that have never built before...04:42
Mithrandirandred: we're not using the urgency field for anything.04:42
Mithrandirlamont: do you still have a list of those somewhere?04:42
lamontandred: urgency on the upload is meaningless04:42
azeembtw, are you regenerating the ISOs all the time, or will the preview release be the only ISO besides the final?04:42
lamontMithrandir: buildd status on the wiki has many04:42
Mithrandirazeem: I believe the daily ones are still being built.04:42
lamontalthough it's a bit out of date04:42
lamontMithrandir: and universe fixes are still below everything else on the plate04:43
Kamionazeem: daily ISOs are still being built, but they aren't actually being made visible anywhere at the moment due to a problem with the bittorrent stuff04:43
azeemah04:43
KamionI'll fix that shortly04:43
pboris there a reason why ssh is not installed by default?04:44
Mithrandirpbor: it is, but the ssh server is not started, I believe?04:44
lamontseb128: you the man.  thanks for the xchat help04:44
jdubwe have openssh-client installed04:44
jdubbut not openssh-server04:44
seb128lamont: you're welcome ;)04:44
jdubpbor: we have a 'no listening services by default' policy04:44
azeemthihi04:44
pborMithrandir, jdub: I see I just noted I had to install it before scping my backups on the shny new install04:45
pborshiny even04:46
Kamionpbor: the ssh package is now just a dummy package depending on openssh-client and openssh-server04:46
Kamionpbor: this'll go into Debian too post-sarge04:46
Kamion(it's in Debian experimental)04:46
azeemKamion: btw, do you mind and i386 upload of that? Seems it's only available for powerpc and alpha04:46
lamontjdub: 1333 - should be a trivial fix in debian/config. GAH!04:46
Kamionazeem: not at all, go ahead, I meant to do it myself but didn't get round to it04:47
pborKamion: cool /me learns how debian works...04:47
azeemKamion: I might do it, when I get around and don't forget :)04:47
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ishAnyone else having ubuntu lock after 10-20 minutes after booting?04:53
ishI'm think its ACPI on my laptop right now..04:53
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jdubish: ouch, no, that's not good04:54
jdubhey spiv 04:54
spivjdub: hello04:54
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Mithrandirish: what architecture are you on?04:55
ishand it just locks.. hard to get info out of..04:55
ishP304:55
whiprushtseng: ooh, f-spot ... ROCK.04:55
Mithrandirish: try booting with "pci=noacpi noapic" ?04:55
linux_mafiajdub, wheres the bugzilla/bts page for ubuntu?04:55
Mithrandirlinux_mafia: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/04:56
linux_mafiahahaha, what a surprise04:56
mxpxpodwho do I talk to about making a bakery2.3 .deb for ubuntu?04:56
tritiumjdub, mxpxpod I was away.  What's the question re: evo-exchange escape fixes?04:56
tsengmxpxpod: start writing C like a real man04:56
tsengor something..04:56
mxpxpodtseng: :P04:56
mxpxpodtseng: I don't wanna04:56
rburtonmxpxpod: reinvent the wheel like a real man04:57
mxpxpodrburton: haha04:57
Mithrandirmxpxpod: we sync off Debian, so you should get it into Debian itself.04:57
mxpxpodMithrandir: it's in debian itself04:57
mxpxpodftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/bakery2.3/04:57
Mithrandirmxpxpod: seems to have been added after we snapshotted sid?04:58
mxpxpodwhen did you snapshot sid?04:58
rburtonbakery 2.0 is available in universe04:58
Mithrandirmxpxpod: late June, iirc.04:58
mxpxpodrburton: it's not the latest bakery that uses gtkmm2.4 and libgnome-vfs2.604:58
lamontjdub: offlineimap build-depends svn (yeah, sick, I know) - I'll have to look at it more after I get back home from running my daughter's school stuff to her...  sihg04:59
Mithrandirmxpxpod: unless jdub or somebody tells me otherwise, I think it'll be in hoary (at least, in universe)04:59
mxpxpodsuck... I kinda need that for coaster development04:59
Mithrandirmxpxpod: run a locally compiled version?  Or bribe jdub into accepting it? ;)05:00
mxpxpodjdub: how much is it going to cost to get that package in?05:00
mxpxpod:D05:00
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Mithrandirmxpxpod: but you can look at it another way, we'll be starting on hoary fairly soon, so you won't have to wait forever to see bakery2.3 in a release. :)05:01
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isha bug fixes already going into warty?05:02
mxpxpodMithrandir: hrmm...05:02
Mithrandirish: critical ones are, but we're trying to really stabilize warty so we'll actually release on time.05:03
Deft_uif I want to rerun the X auto-setup, do I just do the same as for debian, as it says in XF86Config-4?05:03
semtexhaving trouble installing ubuntu on ibm laptop R40e , hangs on "trying to enable the frame buffer..." . i have tried the boot option disable framebuffer but no success05:04
seb128jdub: please comment on #1266 and #1319 05:04
MithrandirDeft_u: the comment in XF86Config-4 is correct, yes.05:04
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MithrandirDeft_u: if you haven't modified the file by hand, you can just run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8605:05
mxpxpodwhy is totem-gstreamer included by default and not totem-xine?05:06
Mithrandirtotem-xine has license issues, AFAIK.05:06
Mithrandiror patent issues.05:06
mxpxpodoh05:06
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jdubmxpxpod: legal issues05:06
Kamionmxpxpod: patent concerns05:06
_axeluhm, i cant get sound to work05:06
jdubMithrandir: (mmm, legal not license)05:06
mxpxpodwell gstreamer doesn't seem to want to play wmv's on ppc05:06
Mithrandirjdub: mea culpa.05:06
az[a] zel_ibookany third party package repositories sprung up yet for libdvdcss etc ? :)05:06
rburtonmxpxpod: gst-xine is in experimental05:06
_axeli have snd-cmipci and snd-pcm-oss and snd-pcm-mixer loaded, but the gnome mixer says i have no mixer devices :/05:07
rburtonmxpxpod: i mean universe of course05:07
Deft_u(_axel: I can't get video, sound is fine :)05:07
seb128rburton: gst-xine ?05:07
rburtongar05:07
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whiprushhmm, this john guy on the list has some pent up anger or something.05:07
seb128rburton: gstreamer+xine in a same package ? :)05:07
mxpxpodrburton: you mean totem-xine05:07
rburtonmxpxpod: totem-xine is in universe :)05:07
_axelDeft_u: any hints?05:07
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mxpxpodhrmmm...05:07
jdubaz[a] zel_ibook: there are libdvdcss debs that work on the vlc website05:07
mxpxpodI can't seem to play wmv's with anything05:07
jdubmxpxpod: install totem-xine05:07
Deft_u_axel: not really I'm afraid, other than the normal check modules, then check that alsa hasn't set your volume to 005:08
whiprushwmv's wouldn't work with totem-xine with me either.05:08
az[a] zel_ibookjdub: ah ok.. I was hoping there was an "legal grey area" repository.. like in mandrkae how they have plf.. all the good stuff is there in one place :)05:08
mxpxpodjdub: I did and it says it can't play windows media video 905:08
_axelDeft_u: no, i ran alsamixer and set everything ok05:08
whiprushI had to get w32codecs from the marillat source05:08
Keybukaz[a] zel_ibook: Mandrake have the advantage of not being quite as sueable as us05:08
KeybukRedHat don't distribute anything like mp3 players for similar reasons, they're too good a target05:09
_axelah, well05:09
_axelit usually helps to PLUG THE GODDAMN SPEAKERS :P05:09
jdubalso05:09
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Mithrandir_axel :)05:09
jdubkeybuk doesn't want to go to jail05:09
Kamiondoes anyone know why entries in /sys/block might have ! in the name in strange places?05:09
Keybukjdub: why me, specifically? :p05:09
Kamionlike /sys/block/cciss!c0d0/cciss!c0d0p105:10
jsubl2anyone know of a tool to use to suck in my kmail inbox to evolution05:10
MithrandirKamion: looks like it's a s/!/\// done on it.05:10
az[a] zel_ibookKeybuk: plf is not run or controlled by mandrake, but by a third party. However the repository is designed to work seamlessly with mandrake05:10
MithrandirKamion:                   0 = /dev/cciss/c0d0   First logical drive, whole disk05:10
KamionMithrandir: er, yeah, but (a) initrd-tools doesn't seem to handle this at all, (b) I was more looking for where in the kernel this happened05:10
Mithrandirfrom devices.txt05:10
rburtonjsubl2: create an imap server, use kmail to move the mail, and then point evo at it05:10
jsubl2rburton, ok thanks05:11
_axelgnome mixer still doesnt work, but well05:11
Kamionit's driving me up the wall, been reading kernel source for the last hour05:11
Keybukaz[a] zel_ibook: ah, well someone could certainly do that for Ubuntu just using the tools in apt-utils and dpkg-dev05:11
rburtonjsubl2: then keep the imap server so you can switch client whenever you wish05:11
Deft_uMithrandir, is the X setup at install the same as the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 one in principle?05:11
MithrandirDeft_u: yes05:11
ishMithrandir: I think that noacpi/noapic worked..05:12
Mithrandirish: cool. :)05:12
Deft_uthen, after updating all packages, it should almost work for me, went a little over the top on the scan rates this time...05:12
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mekanyone know what the "official" way to update Ubuntu is/will be? I didn't see any kind of GUI update applet ...05:14
Mithrandirmek: aptitude05:14
rburtonmek: computer->system tools->synaptic05:14
Keybukmek: there's a GUI package manager under Computer -> System Configuration, otherwise aptitude/apt/dselect etc.05:14
Mithrandirmek: sorry, synaptic05:14
jdubseb128: done05:14
seb128thanks05:14
jdubseb128: both approved05:14
_axeli wonder why i dont get the Computer menu item05:14
jdubseb128: rad fixes :)05:14
seb128jdub: thanks :)05:14
Keybuk_axel: what do you have?  Applications + Actions ?05:14
rburton_axel: you probably don't have the menu panel applet added05:15
_axelrburton: what applet05:15
rburtonMain Menu i think05:15
Kamionhm, http://mail.nl.linux.org/linux-mm/2003-12/msg00087.html05:15
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KeybukMenu Bar05:15
KeybukMain Menu is just the foot, iirc.05:15
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_axelahm now05:16
_axelugh, hate that smallish foot!05:16
Keybuk_axel: did you upgrade a machine from Debian rather than freshly install?05:16
seb128jdub: do you think I should send the "Desktop" patch for epiphany upstream ?05:16
_axelKeybuk: nope, but i have a pretty ancient $HOME with config files dating back from gnome 1.x and several migrations05:16
Keybukahh05:17
_axelKeybuk: so sure there are some conflicting config options and stuff05:17
jdubseb128: yeah, i don't know why that's not their default05:17
seb128ok05:17
mek_rburton,Keybuk: Any plans for implementing something like apt-watch (Gnome applet that checks for updates in the background)?05:17
mxpxpodare the bluetooth tools for gnome going to get pushed into ubuntu?05:17
jdubseb128: btw, hal patch from alex on hal list you might be interested in05:17
jdubmxpxpod: they're on the list for hoary05:17
Keybukthere are interesting plans afoot on the hoary+ timeframe to make software install/update sexy, yes05:17
mxpxpodjdub: cool05:17
_axelagh, i wish the foot in the menubar was larger! this smallish one looks wimpy :P05:17
seb128hum, I should subscribe to hal list05:17
jdubmxpxpod: i have a repo you can test from too05:17
mxpxpodjdub: oh??05:18
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jdubsee -devel05:18
mek_Keybuk: very cool. Ubuntu is awesome thus far ... I'm excited to watch it progress05:18
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mxpxpodjdub: huh?05:18
jdubmxpxpod: i posted about it on the -devel list05:18
mekthanks for the braindump ... out05:18
seb128jdub: BTW, n-c-b 2.8.1 out too that fixes some issues (a crasher) ... I guess we want it ?05:18
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jdubseb128: yes, gnome point release updates are fine05:19
seb128perfect05:19
jdubseb128: we'll tighten down on those later05:19
seb128ok05:19
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mxpxpodjdub: are those only i386 binaries in your repo?05:20
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mxpxpodsuck.. no libxml++2.6 packages either...05:22
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tritiumjdub, were you asking about evo-exchange patches?05:23
housetierwhere do I find the logs from ppp? I installed ubuntu on a friends laptop yesterday and couldn't get pppoe to work. There were no logs in /var/log/{syslog,messages} and "plog" didnt show anything either 05:23
Mithrandirhousetier: /var/log/daemon.log or syslog05:24
azeemhousetier: perhaps adding 'debug' to the options in /etc/ppp/peers/foo helps05:24
jdubtritium: i don't think so, but someone was asking if i was asking about asking you05:24
housetierazeem, ok I'll try that once he gets here05:24
housetierMithrandir, I must admit I didnt check daemon.log, I shall do so later05:24
housetierother than that I must say: ubuntu is great! :D 05:25
Mithrandirhousetier: /var/log/syslog should have _all_ logs, so it should certainly have it.05:25
tritiumjdub, I think mxpxpod was referring to the patches from "deb http://www.fmepnet.org/debian/ main main" that I use.05:25
mxpxpodjdub: that's a lot of asking :)05:26
cleehrm05:27
cleeis archive.u.c being really slow for anybody else?05:27
jdubtritium: oh, for openldap and stuff, or...?05:27
Keybukclee: I get a delay to open the connection, but a fast download once it's open05:28
ChrifferWhy did you copy the coloc scheme of it.slashdot.org?05:28
Chriffercolor I mean05:29
cleeKeybuk: weird.05:29
Keybukcolour you mean? :p05:29
clee(same here)05:29
MithrandirChriffer: we did?05:29
Keybukclee: just out of Apache processes, probably05:29
rburtonwhat do people have against cream/brown!05:29
tritiumjdub, actually, just to be able to login to and use the exchange server at all.05:29
KeybukChriffer: to be fair, I expect it's impossible to pick a colour scheme that isn't used by Slashdot somewhere05:29
MithrandirChriffer: they look very much different to me.05:29
cleeKeybuk: the interesting thing is that pings also take a long time05:29
subterrificuhh, the colors don't even match it.slashdot.org05:29
tritiumI couldn't do it with the standard evo-exchange05:30
cleeKeybuk: but the weird thing about it is that even though they take a long time, each packet doesn't take long05:30
clee(which doesn't make sense)05:30
subterrificChriffer: get a better monitor if you think that color is the same05:30
ChrifferNo, I'm joking, but thu it sectian is always mocked for its coloc scheme05:30
Chrifferwow05:30
mxpxpodjdub: can you compile those gnome-bluetooth packages for ppc when you get time?05:30
ChrifferI quit typing05:30
rburtonjdub: i think the default theme should be sandy crack05:30
jdubmxpxpod: not really05:30
jdubrburton: NO MORE BONG05:30
Keybukclee: I don't get what you mean?05:30
mxpxpodjdub: darn05:31
ChrifferI think that's the worst line of typing I have ever produced05:31
KeybukI see a ~ 1s ping time05:31
cleeKeybuk: I mean that it takes me ten seconds to get two packets back05:31
rburtonjdub: dammit i'll propose it for g2.10 then!05:31
cleeKeybuk: But each packet reports that it got there and back in under 100ms05:31
cleeso I don't get why it takes ten seconds for two of them.05:31
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Keybukprobably not enough link room for arp/routeing stuff05:31
Keybukfor firewall being odd05:31
cleeanyway, good to see that the distro is so ridiculously popular :)05:31
Keybukplenty of networky reasons for that05:31
Keybukthat's just high latency05:32
_axeluhm05:32
subterrificChriffer: seriously, where do you see ubuntu using that color?05:32
Mithrandirwe should akamai the archive. :)05:32
_axelhow am i supposed to add a cups printer if root user is disabled? the http interface wants me to login as root05:32
Keybuk_axel: there's gui printer config stuff05:33
Mithrandir_axel: don't use the web interface, use gnome-cups-manager05:33
_axeluhm k05:33
ChrifferIt was a joke, but no one noticed that, so I guess it was a poorly worded joke05:33
Keybukor set a root password05:33
rburton_axel: computer->system->printers05:33
subterrificChriffer: oh, i thought you were serious (and possibly color blind)05:34
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ChrifferMy color memory wasnt good, I had changed away from the default look anyway05:35
ChrifferBut gold vs brown wasn't so close05:35
widohi05:35
widodoes the install-cd of ubuntu support creatoin of reiser4 partitions?05:36
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Keybuksladen: you forget where I used to work?05:36
jdubwido: no05:36
widojdub: ok, thanks :)05:37
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danielssladen: correct spelling, wrong pronounciation :)05:40
ishIf I get the linux-source from apt - will it have the absolute required options selected for me?05:40
danielshe's spelling 'rooting' wrong05:40
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sladenKeybuk: routing him would be less comfortable :-)05:41
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||cwish: if you copy /boot/config-foo to .config it will have the same options as the running kernel05:41
KamionMithrandir: Mark wanted to do Akamai at one point at least, certainly05:42
MithrandirKamion: it would be nice and fast.05:42
ishqt required for xconfig heh - sorry, been in bsd land for a long time.05:42
MithrandirKamion: especially considering they are rumored to have a local box here at the university.05:42
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sladenKamion: the load could be dealt with by just having a couple of reverse-squid boxes in front of the main/cdimage servers05:43
Deft_uish, remember you'll need an initrd, the ubuntu kernel config couldn't boot otherwise05:44
_axelshould the config printer gui autodetect cups queues? the cups web interface used to autodetect it05:46
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axuhi 05:46
axuwhat packagemanagement system does ubuntu use ?05:47
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rburtonaxu: it's debian, so apt05:47
axuok :)05:47
sladenaxu: Ubuntu is based on Debian, so the usual apt/dpkg05:47
axuthanks :)05:47
axusladen: i jost got a mail from a friend spelling, look here umbuntulinux.org , im about to install it :)05:48
rennershrdwr_BoB: yesterday I asked you about screen res (I could only get 1024, not 1280). FYI I have fixed this by re-installing and picking the correct res during setup! thanks. 05:48
sladenrenners: you should be able change this by doing   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8605:49
sladenalthough thanks for reminding us that it's actually easier for most people to just reinstall...05:50
rennerssladen: i tried nut it didn't work... re-install was drastic but did the job!05:50
rennersbut, not nut!05:50
axuwell, thanks and bye05:50
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rennersanyway to speed up grub... it take 30 seconds to load on my XP dual-boot system (and don't say ditch XP!!!)05:51
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mxpxpodrenners: get rid of XP ;)05:52
rennersok more questions... (I'm new to Linux and I'm keeping XP for a while.. need it only for games!!)05:53
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rennersHow can I see my XP drives from Linux?05:53
az[a] zel_ibookmount -t ntfs /dev/hdaX /mnt/somefolder05:53
Adonijah-renners, or mount -t vfat /dev/hdaX /mnt/somefolder05:54
rennersthe XP drives are all FAT05:54
az[a] zel_ibookassuming the ntfs kernel has been compiled05:54
az[a] zel_ibookvfat then05:54
ishdoes make-kpkg handle the initrd creation?05:54
Adonijah-ish, i believe so05:54
rennersthanks I'll try it05:54
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_axelheh, i got the nvidia drivers working -- cool!05:55
jdubnight all05:55
mxpxpodjdub: nite05:56
Keybukish: make-kpkg --initrd05:56
rennersanother dumb question... I'm talking to you now on Net but Ubuntu has never hasked me for ISP details... userid passowrd IP address etc, how is it working?05:57
renners(ooh my typing i bad today!)05:58
Deft_uwhat sort of connection?05:58
rennersDSL05:58
Keybukrenners: your cable/dsl modem has a dhcp server ... so it was configured automatically05:58
Maydayjust installed for first time, and the first impression is: lovely, kudos to the devs!05:58
rennersI'm impressed!05:59
renners_axel: was it easy to install nvidia drivers?06:00
_axelrenners: yup06:01
rennersaxel: is it automatic or manual... I'm not too familiar with Linux yet!06:02
_axelrenners mostly automatic06:02
_axelstill have to edit a config file by hand06:02
carlos_axel: /etc/modules?06:02
Maydayis it possible to upgrade the settings for evolution manually? I get this error when trying to run it: Unable to read settings from previous Evolution install, `evolution/config.xmldb' does not exist or is corrupt. ?06:02
_axelsec06:02
_axelrolling a cig cant type06:03
rennersget from nvidia website or through Unbuntu package manager?06:03
_axelk, i can type now06:03
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_axelwhat you do is:06:04
_axel1- apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-<yourkernelversionhere> nvidia-glx06:04
_axelthats like 20mb download06:04
sivanKamion : which iso would be a good 'current' testing target? i want to test that installtion hang up i've been getting with the daily and a former release06:04
_axelso start now06:04
_axelafter that, you do 'modprobe nvidia'06:05
_axelthat loads the kernel module06:05
_axelthen you do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, go through all the config options which should be already set to the correct default and select 'nvidia' driver rather than 'nv'06:05
_axeland then you uncheck GLcore and dri from the list of X server modules to load06:06
_axelthen you do 'cat nvidia >> /etc/modules' and zap the server with ctrl-alt-backspace to have it restart06:06
_axelthe X server i mean06:06
_axelafter that, you should see the nvidia logo before the gdm screen kicks in06:07
rennersthanks axel, I got to say Linux fans, that it's much easier on XP!!! 06:07
JanneMyep06:07
JanneMit is a pain06:07
_axelwell06:07
sivanwhat? somebody said xp?? :)06:07
_axelit was much worse when you had to build the driver yourself and get the full kernel source and mess with broken symbolic links and etc06:08
werewolfwow! I now finished to install ubuntu, very very well06:08
khalekmaybe they're running an athlon06:08
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JanneMbut as long as nvidia do not release drivers with a license that allows distribution with the kernel itself, there isn all that much anybody can do about it06:08
Mithrandirrenners: it'll be a simple command line "soon".06:08
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_axelyep, its mostly nvidia's fault06:08
rennersI hope so!06:08
Adonijah-nvidia like many other manufacturers doesn't have a legal choice in the matter06:08
khalekthey could release docs for things like their ethernet chips though06:09
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Adonijah-possibly, but you have to remember they have cross licensing agreements with other companies06:09
al_hi06:09
khalekI don't buy that06:09
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Adonijah-well, i know it's true for part of their hardware06:09
khaleklook at pretty much every single other ethernet chip that has docs available06:09
rennersgiven that there are very few 3d games for Linux, do I really need to update nvidia drivers?06:09
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Adonijah-if you're just doing 2d, there's not much of a point to me06:10
Mitariohello everyone06:10
rennersk06:10
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martinaldhello06:10
Mitariocan i slip in one tiny question? :) i was wondering which trash applet is described in the ubuntu faq06:10
martinaldanyone know when FF 1.0PR will be in APT?06:10
Adonijah-Mitario, probably the trash can in the lower right of the default gnome desktop?06:11
_axelrenners: Enemy Territory is pretty fun06:11
martinaldEnemy Territory is gay lol06:11
punkassso is UT200406:11
MitarioAdonijah-, yeah, i mean, does it has a website or st?06:11
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_axelrenners: and you can play some games with winex too, and doom3 for linux is just around the corner... thats if you like mindless first-person shooters06:11
rennersoh, I love ET, is that available on linux?06:11
Mithrandirrenners: yes06:11
Mitariois it written by ubuntu people or an external project06:11
JanneMNeverwinter Nights is good too, if you like that kind of game06:11
Adonijah-Mitario, seems to be part of 2.806:11
azeemMitario: it's yours06:12
rennersseems there's more games than I thought... 06:12
Mitarioazeem, ah, that clears the things :)06:12
azeemMitario: they were trying to contact you about it06:12
Mitarioreally?06:12
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azeemseb128: ping06:12
Adonijah-Mitario, "Michiel Sikkes" (C) 200406:12
seb128azeem: pong06:12
MitarioAdonijah-, yeah ok, thanks, thats me06:12
azeemseb128: Mitario is around06:12
seb128azeem: ?06:12
azeemtrash applet upstream06:12
seb128oh06:13
seb128thanks06:13
azeemcheers06:13
rennersok... gotta go to work now... starting new job supporting 500 Unix servers :-)06:15
rennersthanx for your help guys!06:15
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_axeleeeeek06:19
_axelnconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!06:20
_axelwtf is that06:20
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neill_axel: tls = thread local storage? the nvidia drivers perhaps? Just a quess.06:25
neighborleeis there a reason ( not a biggie) that ubuntu seems to use same automount system for CD's as say fedora does?..i notoice it only MOUNTS the cd but the eject part doesn't respond .....as I say its not a biggie as i've setup a 'disk' icon on panel to do this..just wondering ( maybe its a resource thing?)...??06:27
KamionMithrandir: turns out this box is a via chipset06:27
_axelyes, this happens when i run xmms after i installed the nvidia drivers06:27
MithrandirKamion: the one you got?  Yes, I know06:27
_axelneed to investigate, bbiab06:28
Kamionah, ok06:28
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Kamionseems to Just Work06:28
MithrandirKamion: yup, but we should get a nf3 mainboard if the sata_nv hwdata update doesn't fix the problem.06:29
Mithrandirsince nf3 boards are _common_06:29
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Mithrandirit's like 100 for a decent one, so doable.06:29
sivang#277 is closed ha? and not just because of NOT_WARTY :)06:29
KamionMithrandir: easy to test anyway, just modprobe sata_nv and see if it works06:29
lilI will be getting a iMac G5 soon...  Would anyone be interested in hearing any experinces with installing ub on it when I get it?06:30
Kamionlil: hell yeah06:30
MithrandirKamion: yup06:30
Kamionlil: should just work but we'll see06:30
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lilCool, I'll write a log... Apple told us there is a huge backlog on them though, so it may be a while =\06:31
sivangI loaded the module the other days, and had really difficult times reproducing the bug :) the keyboard media control are working flawlessly06:31
Kamionconsole-data needs some love on amd6406:31
martinaldapple can't manage stock for shit06:31
martinaldthey probably do it on purpose06:31
xorWhere can I find a list of packages in ubuntu?06:31
martinaldlimit the amount of units they ship06:31
lilAgree...06:31
Kamionapple were really quick to ship my powerbook, and really slow to ship elmo's06:31
al_i'd like to install java on ubuntu... how can i do ?06:32
psihm, can anyone run apt-get update? it stalls for me06:32
sivangpsi : stalls for me lso06:33
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martinaldyes06:33
martinaldthey ship out stuff which is old06:33
martinaldlike pb06:33
martinaldbut new stuff06:33
martinaldis a joke06:33
martinaldfor exmaple, 30" cinema display still arent shipping06:34
neighborleeal_, if its not in the ubuntu archive just uncomment the 'debian' section in /etc/apt/sources.list ( use synaptic if youd rather since it comes preinstalled )06:34
neighborleesu06:34
sladenxor: apt-cache dump | grep Package | less -S06:34
al_neighborlee, debian doesn't have packages for java...06:34
neighborleelalaland~2206:34
neighborleehahahaha06:34
sladenxor: using Synaptic maybe easier for you06:34
neighborleedont you just love it when you 'su' in IRC LMFAO06:34
neighborleeand NO that not my real password..hahahahhaa06:35
psial_,  i've always installed java manually in debian. it's pretty easy.06:35
lilThis computer I'm on is trash, Dell Pent. 4, 1st Generation...06:35
Kamionneighborlee: ... any more06:35
neighborleelol06:35
al_psi, ok, already did this but looked for a package :)06:35
al_+I06:35
sladenneighborlee: ...had you been using sudo... :-)06:35
lilBut I've had the hd crash three times... And the graphics card is junk...06:35
psiyeah, i'd like one also06:35
JanneM...it would have asked for the password as well06:35
neighborleesladen, yeah but i get tired of having to retype my password everytime so dont even go there06:35
neighborleesladen, ha06:35
Kamionneighborlee: you do know that's easy to change, don't you?06:36
sladenneighborlee: you should only need to type it once every 5minutes.  And never if you keep doing stuff!06:36
neighborleesladen, besides..my password is setup specificlly to make it damn impossible to get through anyway LOL06:36
neighborleeKamion, whats easy to change06:37
sladenKamion: q: has the 5minute authenication cache been disabled?  It'll drive people nuts06:37
Kamionneighborlee: sudo timeouts06:37
neighborleeo ic06:37
neighborleenope didn't know06:37
neighborleei've always in past used su so nope06:37
neighborleebut I think sladen is right..5 minutes is prob. 'wize'06:37
neighborleeif i'm going to use sudo that is..but yeah its nice knowing it can be changed06:37
Kamionsladen: base-config (2.44ubuntu14) warty; urgency=low06:38
Kamion  * Remove timestamp_timeout=0 in sudoers.06:38
Kamion -- LaMont Jones <lamont@mmjgroup.com>  Wed,  8 Sep 2004 14:10:34 -060006:38
Kamionsladen: assuming that's what you meant06:38
neighborleeJanneM, hi man NICE to see you here...howz one of my NWN buds doing ? ;00006:38
neighborleeJanneM, think we'll get nwn2 ? ;-)06:39
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neighborleeJanneM, would seem we would ;-)06:39
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psiwill it be possible to include xchat 2.4 before the release? it's much prettier :)06:40
JanneMreally?06:41
JanneMneighborlee: you're _that_ neighborlee?06:41
JanneMheh06:41
sladenKamion: !praise $DEITY06:41
neighborleena..this is just a close similarity LOL06:41
JanneMneighborlee: where have you seen that we will get nwn2?06:41
neighborleeJanneM, happypenguin.org06:41
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neighborleeJanneM, it was mentioned a few times...06:42
JanneMhm06:42
JanneMthe info Ie seen has been mostly negative06:42
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sladenKamion: what would be useful is to have gtksudo still pop up a dialogue if it is called;  stating that you are still authenicated but asking you to confirm the command (and showing it) with an OK06:42
neighborleeJanneM , Neverwinter Nights Roundup < search for that06:43
Kamionsladen: not my field :)06:43
JanneMnope06:43
neighborleeJanneM ,Neverwinter Nights Miscellany < and that06:43
JanneMon happypenguin?06:43
neighborleelinuxgames.com06:43
JanneMahh06:43
azeemsladen: also, gtksudo should not talk about root, dunno if that's a known issue06:43
neighborleesorry I thought it might be there too but I guess not06:44
neighborleeodd06:44
neighborleethose scoundrels!06:44
neighborleeheh06:44
neighborleeI shall shake them limb by limb!!06:44
neighborleelol06:44
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JanneMhm06:44
JanneMthe roundup piece only mentions the nwn patch06:45
JanneMnothing about nwn206:45
neighborleeFinally, there's been some followup on the NWN2 and Linux front: an Obsidian developer posted the following statement concerning the status of any future Linux port:06:45
Adonijah-yeah, it's not guaranteed at this point06:45
azeemwhat's that got to do with ubuntu?06:45
neighborleeJanneM, posted by Crusader - Tuesday Aug 24 06:33:08 200406:45
JanneMok06:45
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JanneMok06:46
schweebmdz: finally posted that comment about the mini.iso netinstall to the mailing list06:47
JanneMoff to bed06:47
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schweebwell, that's kind of embarassing... just mailed the mailing list w/ my clock about 4 hours off :-/06:54
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trukuloif anyone wants to read a ubuntu review in spanish, tell me06:58
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janneZzztrukulo: howto on qemu is on the wiki - please add to it if there's anything you think I missed07:00
trukulojanneZzz, ok, tell me url, i'll put your howto and a spanish howto of a friend of mine07:01
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trukuloi'll put links, i mean07:01
janneZzzhttp://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/InstallOnQemu07:01
trukuloand i and my friend, will review the wiki07:01
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azeem*whistle*07:02
trukulojanneZzz, it's better to use qemu-mkcow than dd07:03
trukulomkcow is dynamic, so it grows as you need07:03
janneZzzoh, ok07:03
janneZzzah07:03
janneZzzedit away!07:03
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trukulo:)07:04
trukulowait, i wanna read entirely first07:04
trukulojanneZzz, very good indead, i only want to add "mkcow" line07:06
janneZzzthough07:07
trukulojanneZzz, do i need to register to edit it ?07:07
janneZzzok07:07
janneZzzum, yes07:07
trukulook07:07
janneZzzclick on the upper right corner07:07
janneZzzthe "User Preferences"07:07
janneZzznot hugely intuitive07:07
trukulono, not hugely07:07
janneZzzbut will mkcow allow you to make copies of the file07:08
janneZzzessentially make snapshots of the system?07:08
trukuloyes07:09
trukuloit's only a file07:09
trukulobut it grows as you need07:09
trukuloand it's easer to create07:09
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trukulomkcow ubuntuimage 350007:09
trukulofor 3.5GB image07:09
trukuloif you only use 1GB, file is only 1GB07:09
janneZzzhum, wonder why qemu couldn't treat an ordinary file the same07:09
janneZzzwell, for the dd, it doesn't actually take that space either07:10
trukulodon't know, i'm not an expert in qemu07:10
trukulodd is not very intuitive either07:10
janneZzzno07:10
janneZzztrue07:10
janneZzzI _really_ need to sleep07:11
neighborleeanyone else getting end of file errors during apt-get update for warty ?07:11
schweebtry again07:12
neighborleeheh yes of course..simple lag ;-)07:12
neighborleemagine that <wink>07:12
trukuloneighborlee, not here07:12
neighborleekewl np thx07:12
neighborleetrukulo, timing is all07:12
trukulojanneZzz, done07:13
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lamontjdub: offlineimap uploaded.07:16
lamontjdub/mdz: and 22 more criteria-meeting pkgs behind it... (b-d python...)07:16
JakobShello! i tried to install ubunto but i realized that it doesnt have right dev nodes for my harddrive. i have 4 partions but it only shows one (part1). any suggestions07:16
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JakobS?07:16
neighborleeis mplayer not in universe ?..I uncommented sources but synaptic isn't finding it ;-)07:16
Qerubneighborlee: try marillats debian repository07:17
neighborleeok07:17
Qerubneighborlee: there's no mplayer in debian because of legal issues07:17
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JakobSdoes anybody have a clue how i could install??07:20
neighborleeQerub, hmm I dont understand that though..mplayer by itself doesn't have to ship with 'those' libraries..mdk and others ship with mplayer its just not able to deal with encrypted DVD's as it were out of the box so I'm shocked debian can't do something similar07:21
falkrynsame in debian with regards to mplayer if I remember07:21
trukuloJakobS, try making partitions again07:21
falkrynyou could use totem instead07:21
Qerubneighborlee: It's not that.07:21
neighborleetotem wont player mpg's it seems07:21
trukuloi think it's about player license07:22
Qerubneighborlee: Debian does it that way with Xine,.07:22
seb128try totem-xine from universe if you want a good videos support07:22
neighborleeseb128, ok thx I shall07:22
falkrynspeaking of which anyone know about getting quicktime plugin support?  with totem/xine?07:22
neighborleeseb128, thx ;-00007:23
seb128np07:23
andredShoudn't we be reporting bugs against gstreamer based Totem so that it's finally fixed, instead of going for xine-based totem?07:23
trukulofalkryn, in sarge, i have qt with totem07:24
trukulodon't know what codec07:24
falkrynwell I see libquicktime107:24
falkrynwondering about moz firefox support07:24
falkrynjust curious07:24
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Kinnisonhey jeff.07:25
falkrynapt-get install mozplugger, might have answered my own question ;-)07:25
jbaileyHeya Daniel!07:25
schweebI couldn't get gstreamer totem to play anything07:25
schweebonly audio07:25
tmI can't seem to get my aironet 350 card into monitor mode07:25
ChrifferI got gxine to work with firefox07:26
seb128jbailey: you here ? :)07:26
seb128schweeb: grab totem-xine from universe07:27
schweebI did07:27
jbaileyseb128: Figured I should poke my head in ;)07:27
seb128jbailey: welcome :)07:27
schweebjust commenting on the comments about 20 lines up07:27
seb128oh, ok07:27
schweebdon't really even use totem, use gxine, heh07:28
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Chriffergxine doesnt setup the plugin I don't think though07:29
JakobStrukulo: i have important data on my partions and they are ok...07:29
ChrifferYou can get it done by hand though07:29
JakobStrukulo: and i have other linux distros running, now gentoo07:30
JakobSeverything is well07:30
trukuloJakobS, umm, so partman, of d-i, can't see the other partitions?07:30
KamionI'd look at 'parted /dev/discs/disc0/disc print' output on tty207:31
pborseb128: just curious, is totem-gstreamer crippled on purpose (patent/legal issues) or we can expect to see the proper plugins in universe in due time? (if the former, why xine is there?)07:32
JakobStrukulo: there are no dev nodes in /dev but partman can see them07:35
trukulowhat computer do you use? scsi? laptop ? acpi failures?07:36
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KamionJakobS: the device nodes will not be called what you're used to07:39
KamionJakobS: if partman can see them all, it must be working ...07:39
seb128pbor: yes, we have only totem-gstreamer and no ffmpeg plugin for legal reasons07:40
seb128pbor: btw plugins/xine/... in universe are ok07:40
pborseb128: not sure if I parse it right... would for instance be ok have the gstreamer ffmpeg plugin in universe?07:42
Kamionnpmccallum: sed's essential, you don't need to depend on it07:42
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Kamionnpmccallum: (and it's been essential forever, so it's really ok)07:42
pborseb128: or it must go in an indipendent repo (like livna for fedora)07:42
seb128pbor: I think so, I'm not an expert on this plan, but be have xine which contains some ffmpeg parts ... so I guess it's ok07:43
seb128pbor: universe in not the supported part07:43
pborseb128: ok, thanks for the clarification07:43
seb128np07:43
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Lodurielis there any special way to install nvidia drivers in ubuntu?07:44
cleeapt-get install nvidia-glx07:45
cleemodprobe nvidia07:45
cleesed -e s/nv/nvidia/ -i /etc/X11/XF86Config-407:45
cleerestart X.07:45
azeemis there a way to use the warty ISO as an rescue image? Like 'linux root=/dev/hda1' (except that doesn't work)07:45
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Lodurielclee, thx07:46
Lodurielsimple and clear07:46
cleeLoduriel: no problem07:46
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Kamionazeem: boot normally, run through the UI up to partitioning but without actually finishing the partitioning step, switch to tty2, mount your root partition, chroot07:47
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azeemchroot.07:47
azeemthat's what I forgot :-/07:47
azeemcheers07:47
JakobSKamion: but it isnt working at all07:48
Kamion18:35 < JakobS> trukulo: there are no dev nodes in /dev but partman can see them07:48
KamionJakobS: what did you mean by that? you said that partman could see them07:48
pborso with this new /media... am I supposed to mount my extra partition there or in /mnt?07:48
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JakobSKamion: I ment that there are no dev nodes for my partitons, partman can see them but when i tell it to use my 2nd partition it says it failed and i have to go back07:50
azeemKamion: worked perfectly, thanks a bunch07:50
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neighborleeis it possible to edit menus in gnome2.8 by chance graphically...if not what is used ? ;-)07:51
JakobSneighborlee: you just have to rightclick, as far as i know?07:52
Chrifferyeah open up applications:/// in nautilus07:53
Chrifferor thats how I did07:53
neighborleechecking 07:54
ChrifferBut my applications:/// isn't in sync with the actual menu07:55
yuranthe ubuntu installer is the new debian-installer right? 07:55
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ChrifferThey are related for sure, not sure you could say they are the some though07:57
ChrifferI'm sure someone knows better than I do07:57
Kamionyuran: right; we took d-i and made a number of modifications07:57
ArrghHello folks. I am trying to compile a vmware module but i cant find the kernel-headers for the default 2.6.8-2-386. Anyone know where to get them? (have included the restricted rep.)07:57
yuranwell, it's the best installer i ever had the pleasure to use :) 07:57
Kamionwe've been feeding bugfixes back upstream, although there are some changes that are more cosmetic/distribution-policy that haven't gone upstream (because Debian want to do things a different way)07:58
neighborleeChriffer, not in sync as in doesn't currently take changes ? ;-)07:58
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trukuloyuran, i agree with you, i love d-i of ubuntu07:58
cleed-i totally rules.07:59
cleeit'll rule even more with a GUI frontend.07:59
trukuloclee, i don't need gui, but it will be good if it has07:59
cleetrukulo: right.07:59
ChrifferI installed an app and it has a shortcut in applications:/// but the menu doesnt have it, so maybe they arent the same07:59
ChrifferThe only issue I had with the installer was my dvorak keymap08:00
sivangclee : why must you have a gui frontend?08:02
cleesivang: I don't need one. I want one though.08:02
cleeGUIs are shiny.08:02
spivArrgh: Try apt-get install linux-headers08:02
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sivangclee : i just need one to show up to my winnie freinds :)08:02
FBodycjkjmk08:02
ChrifferIs there a good way to change the keymap in the installer it seemed to assume qwerty for US english08:03
azeemd-i would need to be HIGified before you can seriously fold it into GTK though I guess08:03
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Kinnisonsivang: I like the fact that it asks so few questions and only had to reboot once. that beats windows hands-down IMO :-)08:03
ChrifferNot that it matters now that I've run through the installer08:03
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KamionChriffer: you'd have to run at a lower debconf priority08:03
neighborleewhat is this d-i you are referring to ?LOL08:03
Kamionneighborlee: debian-installer08:03
ArrghSPiv: Thanx will try that (used to do it the other way in Debian :) )08:03
mdzmorning08:04
Kinnisonhi mdz.08:04
KamionChriffer: use "go back" to get to the main menu, run the "choose keyboard layout" (or whatever it is, third from the top) step08:04
trukulomdz, evening08:04
KamionChriffer: (I think that should work)08:04
sivangKinnison : you said that!08:04
sivang:)08:04
sivangsivang : it is much better :)08:05
ChrifferMaybe I will try that in qemu or something08:05
trukuloChriffer, read qemu howto in the wiki08:05
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sivangKinnison : feel free to ask me anything to clarify things.08:06
Kinnisonsivang: Not me. It is 19:06 and I'm getting ready to go home from work for the weekend :-)08:06
neighborleeKamion, lol ah ok heh08:06
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psihow would I send in a translation of the Computer menu? many entries there are not translated to swedish    08:19
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trukulopsi, wait until they organize the community08:20
trukuloit's very soon :)08:20
dafpsi: have you done any translation work before?08:20
tvon|X31whats the official sources.list line / server ?08:20
tvon|X31I still have no-name-yet.com in there08:21
psidaf: no, not really08:21
tsengpsi: add your info to the .desktop files and make diffs08:21
daftseng: no, that's the wrong way to go about it08:21
trukulodon't you have to use gettext ?08:21
dafwell, it might be good enough08:21
tsengsorry, thats how id submit anything else08:22
dafseb128: which package are the new .desktop files in?08:22
daftseng: .desktop file translations are normally managed with intltool08:22
daftseng: and so the change should be made to the PO file08:22
tsenghmm, right08:22
psiwhere do I find these files?08:23
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cybrjacklehello08:26
chris99hello08:26
cybrjacklelooks like your popularity has taken the apt mirror down?08:27
chris99I've just installed ubuntu for the first time - it's great, but...08:27
violajackdoes anyone know how to add entries to the applications menu?08:27
trukuloviolajack, apt-get install ?08:27
violajackthat installs the program, but doesn't add a menu entry for it08:28
chris99...how to I change the screen resolution?  the Gnome configuration only offers me 640x48008:28
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trukuloviolajack, update-menu08:28
cybrjacklechris99, you need to edit /etc/X11/XFree86-r08:28
cybrjackle*408:28
cybrjacklechris99, you need to edit /etc/X11/XFree86-408:28
trukuloafter apt-get08:28
AElfwinehi08:28
trukuloand it appends command in menu08:28
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chris99ok, hang on while I try that...08:29
ChtiTuxhi What is the default root password in the install ?08:29
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cybrjackleyour user you setup is ChtiTux08:29
cybrjacklesudo <command>08:29
violajackhmmm.....what would the exact syntax of that be, please?08:29
AElfwineI 've just installed Ubuntu on my PC but no I wasn t asked any root password at the installation, so I don t know him ..;08:29
cleeChtiTux: The root account is disabled08:29
cybrjacklepasswd = first users passwd08:29
ChtiTuxok08:30
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trukuloviolajack, update-menu08:30
cleeAElfwine: It's disabled08:30
cleeAElfwine: You log in as the user you created during the install and do things with sudo08:30
Kamionchris99: instead of that, I'd suggest 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86'08:30
AElfwineclee : okokok08:30
violajackupdate-menu: command not found08:30
Kamionchris99: it's kind of detail overload, just pick the defaults; one of the later screens has a resolution list, and pick the ones you want there08:30
AElfwineclee ; thanks08:30
cybrjacklei had to edit for my laptop08:31
cybrjacklemodelines and such08:31
Kamioncybrjackle: that's a bug, it should autodetect08:31
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cybrjackle2 box's and x didn't config right08:31
Kamioncybrjackle: Fabio posted to ubuntu-users recently with instructions on the information he needs to fix bugs like that08:31
trukulocybrjackle, that's why it's beta08:31
KinnisonEvening08:31
peteogare there any mirrors for packages? archive.ubuntu.com seems rather slow for apt-get08:31
Kamioncybrjackle: please chase that up and file a bug with those details08:31
mxpxpodare there ubuntu repo mirrors?08:32
cybrjacklei'm not complaining people, i know how to edit, chill on me 8)08:32
Kamionpeteog: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Archive08:32
ChtiTuxKamion08:32
peteogKamion: thanks08:32
Kamioncybrjackle: I know, but we want to fix the autodetection and need help from the people for whom it failed08:32
cybrjacklei decided to take gentoo off my laptop after i put ubuntu on one of my desktops i liked it so much :)08:32
cybrjackleKamion, ok, i need to get on the mailing list08:33
cybrjackleKamion, are you part of the devel team?08:33
Kamioncybrjackle: yes08:33
cybrjackleany chance your getting mirrors for sources.list08:33
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Maydaythere are mirrors, check the wiki08:34
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cybrjackleMayday, i'm looking in wiki and don't see mirrors08:35
mdzcybrjackle: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Archive08:35
ChtiTuxmdz08:35
jdandr2How can I install something like x2x?  should I use debian repositories ???08:35
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mdzChtiTux?08:36
spivjdandr2: x2x is in universe08:36
mdzjdandr2: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the 'universe' component08:36
mdzessentially everything from Debian is available there08:36
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cybrjacklethx Mithrandir08:37
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cybrjackleoops,08:37
cybrjacklethx mdz08:37
=== trukulo is surprised that emacs it's included in this _good_ distribution
trukulolol08:37
psihaha08:37
Kamionmdz: was python-mode one of the things we took out for some reason in that desktop seed blitz? I forget ...08:38
mdzKamion: I don't think so; I didn't even know about it08:38
mdzI use the built-in python mode08:38
mdzis python-mode superior?08:38
mdzor a newer version of the same thing?08:38
psii didn't know there was a built in mode08:39
chris99XF86config-4 already has 800x600, but I can't switch to it.08:39
chris99I should probably just use a better monitor.08:39
Kamionchris99: look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log, I bet it'll say that it disabled it08:39
psii thought only xemacs came with a python mode per default, but i might be wrong08:40
Kamionchris99: this is probably because autodetection of your monitor's sync and refresh ranges failed for some reason; few modern monitors are limited to 640x48008:40
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jdandr2ugh... Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/source/Sources.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)08:41
cybrjacklechris99, what kind of monitor is it?  do you know your v/h rates?08:42
spivjdandr2: Try again?  It works for me.08:42
chris99Kamion, it says "Not using mode "800x600" (no mode of this name)"08:43
jdandr2spiv, tried 4 times... :(08:43
mdzschweeb: thanks08:43
jdandr2will try from home08:43
psimdz: how do you activate the built-in mode?08:43
mdzpsi: open a .py file, or M-x python-mode08:43
psino such thing here08:43
mdzeek08:44
chris99cybrjackle, it's a Samtron, fairly old, and its max resolution is 800x600.  Don't have the v/h rates to hand.08:44
mdzpython-elisp seems to be missing08:44
mdzpsi: apt-get install python-elisp08:44
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dokono, python-mode08:44
cybrjacklechris99, what is the model #08:44
mdzdoko, Kinnison: this would have been a nice thing to mention for desktop, oh, 2 months ago08:45
chris99cybrjackle, it's an SC428-PSL08:45
Kinnisonmdz: two months ago I wasn't a python programmer08:45
psimdz: do you mean pymacs-elisp?08:45
dokomdz: you don't notice it when you are using xemacs, because it's included there :(08:45
Kinnisonpymacs is a python<->emacs integration tool IIRC08:45
psiyeah it doesn't seem like what I want08:46
cybrjacklechris99, http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/samtron/sc428psl.html08:46
Kinnisonpsi: You want to install python-mode :-)08:46
cybrjacklesee if it autodetect those H/V settings08:46
psithere is no such package :)08:46
mdzpsi: you want pymacs, too, but it's something different :-)08:46
Kinnisonpsi: You might need universe for it08:46
mdzpsi: it's in universe08:46
mdzbut it's something that I think we should bring in08:46
psiright08:46
Kinnisonmdz: I concur.08:47
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chris99cybrjackle, thanks, I'll try that08:47
cybrjackleyw08:47
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cybrjacklefinally, a mirror that isn't bogged down08:49
tsengtheres mirrors?08:50
psithe universe is basically unsupported packages?08:50
cybrjackletseng, ?08:50
tsengcybrjackle, where is the list of mirrors08:50
trukulopsi, i think universe is sid packages recompiled, but i'm not sure08:50
cybrjacklehttp://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive08:50
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psitrukulo: ok08:51
Mitariohello everyone08:51
psii remember reading about it *somewhere* :)08:51
jdandr2baba booe baba booe   ubuntu is the king of all linux08:51
pborhey Mitario... so you are the misterious thresh applet guy, right? :)08:52
Mitariopbor, yeh :)08:52
Kamiontrukulo: correct08:53
pborafaik ubuntu desktop people were trying to get in touch with you...08:53
Mitariopbor, yeah, i didn't know they tried so hard :(08:53
Mitariosome mails where lost on my local harddrive so i'm sorry for that you guys08:53
pborMitario: I don't think it's a problem, I suppose they just wanted to talk about the applet... /me is not part of the ubunto staff08:55
Mitarioah, ok, but still, i'm sorry :)08:55
KamionI think there were some bug fixes we wanted to get in touch about, Seb Bacher or Jeff Waugh would know more08:55
Mitarioyes i have them08:55
Mitarioi'm requesting inclusion in gnome-applets atm, so we'll have a better bug tracking system and stuff08:56
Mitarioi'm going to apply all the patches from ubuntu when trashapplet is in gnome cvs08:56
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KamionMitario: cool08:57
[Scizo] uhmm .. anyone else getting a segfault when trying to install base-passwd ? (from setup app)08:58
cybrjackleso is this going to find/attatch my ipod and external usb hd on my laptop when i connect them automatically?08:58
azeemcybrjackle: just do it[tm] 08:58
cybrjacklewith udev/dbus/gnome-volume-manager08:58
cybrjacklejust got my wireless going, and it's rebooting then i'll try them08:59
cybrjacklewoot wireless is up09:00
cybrjacklebrb09:00
cybrjackleneed to unplug and go to another desk09:01
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diemansoory guys, im done messing with ftp.cs now09:04
diemansorry09:04
diemanmoved it to thttpd, apache was killing the machines09:04
elmayahello09:04
elmayais it normal for the installation to hang after selectin the languaje?09:04
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Kamionelmaya: nope09:05
elmayammm09:05
cartmanhmm any KDE packages for ubuntu yet?09:05
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elmayafuck09:06
Kamioncartman: there are some in universe, but the set isn't complete yet09:06
cartmanuniverse?09:06
Kamionelmaya: switch to tty2 and poke around; use 'ps x' to see what's currently running09:06
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Kamioncartman: see the FAQ and /etc/apt/sources.list09:06
cartmanwell I didn't installed ubuntu yet09:06
elmayaoh09:07
Kamioncartman: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view09:07
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cartmanKamion: cheers09:07
elmayaseems like its not mounting the cd rom correclty09:08
chris_...back after playing with X11 settings.09:08
chris_Didn't help though.09:08
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elmayaagggggggggggg09:09
elmayai want ubuntu09:09
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Kamionelmaya: what's it doing at the point when it's stuck?09:10
seb128daf: what about the desktop files ?09:10
elmayaa blank screen appears09:10
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DeftKamion, you don't actually need to look in source.list, synaptic can change repositories on the fly...09:10
elmayanow a message says it could not mount the cdrom09:10
KamionDeft: or that, yeah09:10
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elmayai will try changin to another cdrom reader09:11
dafseb128: the new Computer menu -- psi was asking about translating it into Swedish09:12
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seb128daf: the computer menu is not vfolder, the strings are in gnome-panel09:12
BluMaxany09:12
dafseb128: ah, right09:12
seb128daf: need an updated of po file, I've mailed the sounder list some time ago about that, I'll try to open a bug in bugzilla to collect translation09:13
BluMaxanyone have Ubuntu runninng on a Mac Dual G%? or single G%?09:13
KamionBluMax: you mean G5?09:13
BluMaxoops  Dual G5 or single G5?09:13
KamionBluMax: the Ubuntu powerpc build daemons are XServe G5s09:13
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KamionBluMax: I believe they're running in single-processor mode at the moment, but that's mostly for historical reasons09:14