[12:00] <mdz> LoneTech: ah, gotcha
[12:00] <mdz> LoneTech: you're looking for the udebs, then
[12:00] <mdz> LoneTech: /ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-kernel-di-i386-2.6
[12:01] <mdz> in the archive
[12:01] <mdz> they may not be on the CD in udeb form
[12:01] <LoneTech> yes, it's in the archive. got past it now. please include them next CD!
[12:01] <JStrike> thom : Windhoek is always good too. Castle is goes down better in large quantities though
[12:02] <mdz> LoneTech: what sort of install are you doing where you need the udebs on the CD?
[12:03] <JStrike> thom : You have memories?
[12:04] <thom> well, all right. blank spots where memories should be, and a non-functioning liver ;P
[12:04] <seb128> mdz: I've just checked with Lo-lan-2, according to him the package is in a good state and works pretty fine
[12:04] <LoneTech> mdz: tried to install off a loopmounted ISO on another machine.
[12:04] <LoneTech> the target machine has no CD drive, so netboot image seemed the natural choice. turns out that netboot couldn't see IDE due to the missing udebs.
[12:04] <sladen> LoneTech: did you have any success?
[12:05] <mdz> LoneTech: ok, please file a bug, Component: debian-cd, Severity: enhancement, and we'll see what we can do
[12:05] <LoneTech> repeating mirror selection, udeb installation and hardware probing, this time using the online archive rather than my local ISO mount, yes.
[12:05] <thom> hrm, unpacking the netboot.tar.gz into the tftp root directory and using that worked fine here (on an ide machine)
[12:05] <mxpxpod> how do I make a ubuntu kernel package?
[12:05] <LoneTech> bug 1300 on debian-installer is about this. should it be reassigned?
[12:05] <mdz> thom: he's using the CD as a mirror for the netboot
[12:06] <mdz> thom: but the CD doesn't have all of the udebs
[12:06] <thom> ah
[12:06] <thom> my bad
[12:06] <mdz> LoneTech: no, in that case, it's already reached the correct person
[12:06] <mdz> LoneTech: it should be retitled, though
[12:07] <mxpxpod> mdz: do you know how to make a ubuntu kernel image?
[12:07] <mdz> mxpxpod: yes
[12:07] <mxpxpod> mdz: do you just use make-kpkg?
[12:07] <seb128> 'night thom
[12:07] <mdz> mxpxpod: yes, you can do it that way
[12:07] <mxpxpod> mdz: how else can you do it?
[12:07] <mdz> mxpxpod: may I ask why you need to build a custom kernel?  we like to avoid that for you :-)
[12:07] <keifer> any one here on ppc? I can't seem to burn the .iso image. I keeps kiling disk utility. (I'm trying to use a cd rw)
[12:08] <mdz> mxpxpod: you can also build the linux-source-2.6.8.1 source package
[12:08] <mdz> keifer: it's a bug in disk utility :-/
[12:08] <seb128> mdz: ok, so, should I mail you+jdub about eagle-adsl ?
[12:08] <mxpxpod> mdz: I like custom kernels... I don't need a bunch of useless modules loading
[12:08] <mdz> seb128: mail ubuntu-devel, I'd say
[12:08] <sladen> keifer: known bug with the Mac OS X burner program
[12:08] <seb128> mdz: ok, thanks
[12:08] <keifer> mdz: is there an alternative CLI proggy?
[12:08] <mxpxpod> mdz: like, it's loading ehci_hcd and ohci_hcd
[12:08] <sladen> keifer: cdrecord from fink 
[12:09] <keifer> cok
[12:09] <keifer> *ok
[12:09] <mdz> mxpxpod: and you don't have USB?
[12:09] <mxpxpod> mdz: I have usb, but I don't need both ehci and ohci loaded
[12:09] <sabdfl> hmm... dhould be able to blacklist one
[12:09] <mdz> mxpxpod: are you sure?
[12:09] <mxpxpod> mdz: why would I?
[12:09] <mdz> mxpxpod: I need both ehci_hcd and uhci_hcd loaded in order to support usb 1.1 and 2.0
[12:10] <mdz> they are two separate devices on the PCI bus
[12:10] <mxpxpod> ahhh
[12:10] <mxpxpod> oh, and I don't need ext3 loaded either
[12:10] <mxpxpod> or reiserfs or jfs or hfs...
[12:11] <sivang> mdz : ubuntu-devel=sounder ? 
[12:13] <LoneTech> Small wishlist item: it would be nice if the partitioning tool showed partition types. And always kept the relevant partition name on-screen (it didn't when asking me how to use the selected partition).
[12:14] <mdz> sivang: sounder=ubuntu-users
[12:14] <mxpxpod> mdz: also, for some reason I can't get the eject key to work... if I hit fn+eject, I get F12, which is correct... but hitting eject gets nothing
[12:15] <mdz> mxpxpod: it shouldn't need to load those modules, but it happens here as well.  seems like a bug
[12:15] <mdz> mxpxpod: hmm, I don't have an eject key here, but I think pbbuttonsd is supposed to handle that
[12:16] <mxpxpod> mdz: hmm... it's mapping eject to meta_r
[12:16] <mxpxpod> keycode 116
[12:17] <mxpxpod> and my power button is keycode 222
[12:18] <mxpxpod> mdz: what does your /etc/sysctl.conf say?
[12:19] <mdz> mxpxpod: I'll tell you in a moment; need to power on that machine
[12:21] <mxpxpod> I think the keymaps are all screwed up
[12:21] <mdz> dev/mac_hid/mouse_button_emulation = 1
[12:21] <mdz> dev/mac_hid/mouse_button2_keycode = 87
[12:21] <mdz> dev/mac_hid/mouse_button3_keycode = 88
[12:22] <mxpxpod> mdz: hrmm... I wonder what keymap you use...
[12:23] <mxpxpod> what's your XF86Config-4 say?
[12:23] <mdz>         Option          "XkbRules"      "xfree86"
[12:23] <mdz>         Option          "XkbModel"      "macintosh"
[12:23] <mdz>         Option          "XkbLayout"     "us"
[12:24] <mxpxpod> grrr...
[12:24] <mxpxpod> what machine do you have?
[12:25] <keifer> not to be difficult, but is there a different alternative to cdrecord? It involved installing gcc, and I don't have the space do grab the devel tools from apples site. :\
[12:26] <tory> does anybody know how to get gtk2-emacs in ubuntu?
[12:27] <carlos> mxpxpod: which one do you have?
[12:27] <mxpxpod> carlos: ibook g4
[12:27] <carlos> I have the same problem with my powerbook
[12:27] <carlos> switch to a text terminal (outside X)
[12:28] <carlos> and execute: showkey (it exits after 10 seconds without pressing any key)
[12:28] <mxpxpod> carlos: ok
[12:28] <carlos> and press the eject key
[12:28] <carlos> hmmm
[12:29] <mxpxpod> carlos: I get 0x80 0x81 0xa1 0x80 0x81 0xa1
[12:29] <carlos> mxpxpod: like I
[12:29] <mxpxpod> that sucks
[12:29] <carlos> I didn't found any fix for it, sorry
[12:30] <mxpxpod> I gotta get home to my wife
[12:30] <mxpxpod> I'll talk to you guys tomorrow
[12:30] <mxpxpod> other than a few quirks, ubuntu rawks
[12:30] <carlos> xev sees it as Super_R key
[12:30] <pantz_> hey people - i am having a problem trying to get the glider theme looking good
[12:30] <carlos> mxpxpod: later
[12:30] <pantz_> anyone got the same problem?
[12:31] <pantz_> the buttons look majorly square and boring
[12:31] <phlaegel> pantz_: you need to install the smooth engine
[12:32] <pantz_> how do i install that?
[12:32] <tory> pantz_: why don't you take a screenshot for us
[12:32] <tory> it should've installed the smooth engine already
[12:32] <pantz_> mmm good idea
[12:32] <phlaegel> tory: it doesn't, it's a bug
[12:32] <pantz_> hang on
[12:32] <tory> phlaegel: oh
[12:33] <tory> you can install the smooth engine by typing "sudo apt-get install gtk2-engines-smooth"
[12:34] <mxpxpod> later guys
[12:36] <mdz> carlos: please file a bug about the eject issue if there is not already one in bugzilla
[12:37] <carlos> mdz: I have a bug about other problems with apple keys at debian's bts
[12:37] <pantz_> Package gtk2-engines-smooth is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:37] <pantz_> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:37] <pantz_> is only available from another source
[12:37] <pantz_> E: Package gtk2-engines-smooth has no installation candidate
[12:37] <carlos> should I file a bug linking to the debian's bts?
[12:37] <pantz_> tory, thats what i got - still working on the screenshot
[12:37] <carlos> (another bug)
[12:39] <tory> pantz_: you could try downloading the deb from here http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/gtk2-engines-smooth
[12:39] <tory> scroll down, click the "i386" button, then type "sudo dpkg -i gtk2-smooth-engines-blahblah.deb"
[12:39] <tory> that might work. I'm kinda new to debian
[12:40] <phlaegel> I wouldn't do that...
[12:40] <phlaegel> it's not necessary
[12:40] <tory> how can he get it installed
[12:40] <phlaegel> pantz_: have you modified your /etc/apt/sources.list at all?
[12:41] <pantz_> phlaegel, nope
[12:41] <pantz_> should i?
[12:42] <pantz_> i am a fresh-outta-the-box debian newbie
[12:42] <phlaegel> depends... check it and see what lines are uncommented in it. 
[12:42] <sabdfl> pantz_: try apt-get update
[12:42] <sabdfl> pantz_: then apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:43] <xxorrorxx> can you load your install of ubuntu from the install cd ?
[12:43] <xxorrorxx> if the bootloader gets nuked
[12:44] <xxorrorxx> vmlinuz boot=/"root" kinda deal
[12:44] <pantz_> hey hey you guys rock - i did the dpkg -i and installed it - now things are looking good
[12:44] <tory> cool
[12:44] <pantz_> should i report the lack of the gtk-engine-smooth package as a bug?
[12:44] <xxorrorxx> heh no
[12:44] <phlaegel> pantz_: it's been done already, iirc
[12:45] <pantz_> cool
[12:45] <tory> do what sabdfl suggested. run "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[12:45] <pantz_> yeah its running at the mo
[12:45] <pantz_> i did the dpkg -i first
[12:45] <phlaegel> btw, installing packages from debian like that is not recommended... you should install packages from the ubuntu sources only or things *might* break
[12:45] <sabdfl> pantz_: those comands bring your system completely up to date
[12:45] <xxorrorxx> sabdfl: is that a good idea if you're using universe ?
[12:46] <sabdfl> xxorrorxx: it won't actually install new software, just update the software that's on your machine
[12:46] <xxorrorxx> sabdfl: oh
[12:46] <pantz_> oh yeah - is ee the dist-upgrade option had the package in it
[12:46] <sabdfl> if a package gets a new dependency, that will be brought in
[12:46] <sabdfl> but a package in main cannot depend on a package in universe
[12:46] <pantz_> well thanks heaps for your help anyway guys
[12:46] <sabdfl> (or it could, we just don't allow that)
[12:47] <xxorrorxx> I did that ,it installed smooth , but I dont see it as an option 
[12:47] <xxorrorxx> in 'themes'
[12:47] <phlaegel> you won't
[12:47] <phlaegel> it just works on themes that use it
[12:47] <xxorrorxx> oh
[12:47] <xxorrorxx> what themes use it
[12:47] <tvon> the smooth package is just the engine
[12:47] <phlaegel> glider is one
[12:47] <tory> smoothgnome is another
[12:47] <xxorrorxx> what does it do exactly 
[12:47] <phlaegel> glider == smoothgnome
[12:47] <tory> oh
[12:47] <pantz_> so being the debian newbie that i am - if i run apt-get dist-upgrade everyday for the rest of my life - i will always have the most current version of ubuntumumutumu?
[12:48] <lamont__> pantz_: You'll have the latest version of warty, until you change sources.list...
[12:48] <pantz_> xxorrorxx, it makes themes look cool
[12:48] <phlaegel> xxorrorxx: a theme engine just provides functionality for a theme, different ways to draw buttons, gradients, etc.
[12:48] <lamont__> but warty will all but stop changing (other than security issues) in about a month.
[12:48] <lamont__> ...
[12:48] <xxorrorxx> phlaegel: whats the best place to find new themes/engines art.gnome.org ?
[12:49] <phlaegel> sure, or gnome-look.org
[12:49] <sivang> xxorrorxx : you can install all sid's available gtk-engines
[12:49] <pantz_> oh ok
[12:49] <sivang> xxorrorxx : which add quite a nice look and feel, plus extra thems also from sid's repository
[12:50] <pantz_> lamont__ so when warty is done - i change my sources.list - which i then set to the next version and  away it goes?
[12:50] <sabdfl> pantz_: yes
[12:50] <pantz_> yay!!!!
[12:51] <sivang> xxorrorxx : just add the "universe" keyword to the apt sources list,
[12:51] <tritium> jdub, are you also the maintainer for evo-exchange 2.0 for plain ol' debian?
[12:51] <xxorrorxx> sivang: already did
[12:51] <sabdfl> pantz_: we hope to make that even easier... when a new release comes out, upgrading warty will ask you if you want to move to the newer release
[12:51] <sivang> xxorrorxx : and apt-get install <whatever>
[12:51] <xxorrorxx> sivang: what are the package prefixes so I can just use a wildcard ,Besides gtk-engines , which I already did
[12:51] <pantz_> sabdfl, niiiiiice
[12:52] <sivang> mdz : this channel is also for development discussions, or there will be a special channel for this?
[12:52] <mdz> sivang: currently yes, but we will probably split out into a separate channel sometime soon
[12:52] <mdz> sivang: considering that the population here has exploded :-)
[12:53] <tory> spell checking doesn't seem to work in OO.org
[12:53] <tvon> missing aspell and a dictionary, perhaps?
[12:53] <m_tthew> tvon: I think there is a bug filed already, maybe fixed already
[12:53] <mdz> tory: the dictionaries are missing, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1257
[12:54] <tory> mdz: thank you
[12:54] <sivang> mdz : ahh, that's mighty good! as more users we have, the better we get!
[12:54] <lamont__> mdz: and I think it's just a matter of sync'ing the package
[12:54] <sivang> xxorrorxx : sec
[12:55] <lamont__> mdz: the other question is whether or not OO.o should depend on the spell package, rather than suggest...
[12:55] <lamont__> ??
[12:55] <xxorrorxx> sivang: gtk2* is one , gtk-engines is one too
[12:55] <sivang> xxorrorxx : gnome-themes, gnome-themes-extras 
[12:56] <xxorrorxx> sivang: apt-get install gtk2* , apt-get install gtk-engines* installs a TON of 1.x 2.x themes
[12:56] <sivang> xxorrorxx : i happen to like them very much, i usually switch them alot
[12:56] <xxorrorxx> but a bunch of random stuff too
[12:56] <xxorrorxx> heh
[12:56] <tory> mdz: any idea what I need to download
[12:56] <tory> the bug report just says that stuff is missing
[12:57] <sivang> xxorrorxx : plus because theme installation in gnome is no easy, you can do it "manually" from the gnome looks website
[12:57] <xxorrorxx> is there a good tutorial on developing gtk2/gtk/metacity/icon (theme/GUI) related stuff ?
[12:57] <sivang> mdz : is there a sounder cd anymore?
[12:57] <kl_> xxorrorxx, http://ajgenius.us/
[12:58] <sivang> mdz : ahh, that'd be put better that way: Where is the the spec for the new cdimage structure? :)
[12:59] <xxorrorxx> kl_: your site ?
[01:00] <kl_> xxorrorxx, nope
[01:00] <kl_> there's a hidden wiki btw. http://www.ajgenius.us/gnome/Themes/Tutorials/ this one should have more info
[01:02] <xxorrorxx> kl_: what about gnome coding in general , and user interface design
[01:02] <WebWiz> oi everybody
[01:02] <kl_> xxorrorxx, developer.gnome.org then :)
[01:02] <WebWiz> kudos to ubuntu linux, looks great
[01:02] <WebWiz> just wish my sound worked! :)
[01:03] <keifer> I always wish that. i'ts hard to get support for soundsticks. :P
[01:03] <keifer> I always wish that. i'ts hard to get support for soundsticks. :P
[01:03] <keifer> dho, lag, sorry. :\
[01:03] <WebWiz> oi thecombatwombat ;)
[01:03] <WebWiz> Yeah, i have 810 comptabale sound, and its not workin!
[01:03] <thecombatwombat> hey WebWiz
[01:04] <xxorrorxx> yeah Im loving ubuntu, works out of the box for the most part
[01:04] <xxorrorxx> and the problems have been pretty minor
[01:04] <WebWiz> only things i don't have are sound and wifi
[01:05] <keifer> it osunds good, and will proably be easyer to install then fedora-ppc. :)
[01:05] <sivang> WebWiz : what version did you use to isntall? (the sound problem got fixed)
[01:05] <WebWiz> umm
[01:05] <LoneTech> looks like my sound driver is blacklisted as far as hotplug is concerned.
[01:05] <WebWiz> warly-i386.iso
[01:05] <xxorrorxx> webwiz: what soundcard , wifi card .. are the supported under a different dist of linux
[01:05] <sivang> WebWiz : what sound card do you have?
[01:06] <lamont__> mdz/jdub: I guess I should send email, but please bless #1314
[01:06] <WebWiz> my souncard usus the OSS i810 driver
[01:07] <xxorrorxx> lamont: thats such an easy fix
[01:07] <WebWiz> Wireless LAN card (Dell TrueMobileTM 1300 (802.11b/g) mini PCI)
[01:07] <lamont__> xxorrorxx: exactly.
[01:07] <WebWiz> Intel soundcard (ICH3/SigmaTel STAC 9750 AC97)
[01:07] <xxorrorxx> lamont: meaning do it yourself , its pretty minor compared to some of the other bugs
[01:08] <tritium> The gnome 2.8 release notes seem to imply that evolution 2.0 supports Exchange accounts (without a separate plugin).
[01:08] <WebWiz> xxorrorxx, yes they are supported under different linux*
[01:08] <WebWiz> http://people.web.psi.ch/windiks/latitude-d600/#audio
[01:08] <lamont__> xxorrorxx: I'm already hacking on xchat for another crit bug, and that was one we wanted to fix, too...
[01:08] <tritium> And it also mentions supporting Rendezvous without any reference to libhowl.
[01:08] <WebWiz> how do i know if the "sound bug" is fixed in my release?
[01:09] <phlaegel> tritium: it's a plugin. it was installed by default for me in ubuntu.
[01:09] <phlaegel> exchange support, that is
[01:09] <tritium> phlaegel, thanks
[01:10] <tritium> phlaegel, do you have libhowl0 installed?
[01:10] <crb> I found out why I didn't get any sound in Ubuntu.  The 'headphone' channel was muted.
[01:10] <crb> But I'm not using headphones!  Why isn't it called 'master' any more :)
[01:10] <phlaegel> and nautilus support dns-sd to discover things like file shares. doesn't seem to need libhowl to do it, either.
[01:10] <tritium> phlaegel, oh, excellent.  Thanks again.
[01:10] <lamont__> xxor_: it was a bug I discussed with mdz last night, and probably the reason I got the ISO8859vsUTF8 xchat bug today...
[01:11] <lamont__> but uploads require blessings these days, you see..
[01:12] <martinald> hello
[01:12] <martinald> got nearly everything working
[01:12] <martinald> apart from: back forward on my intellmouse explorer
[01:12] <WebWiz> must be nice
[01:12] <martinald> and mp3 playback
[01:13] <martinald> anyone know how to fix my mouse problem? aparently i need to use a utility called 'ilmouse' or similar but i can't find it
[01:13] <ReporterX> Hello all!
[01:13] <martinald> hi
[01:14] <spiv> lamont__: man latin1 ? :)
[01:14] <ReporterX> Anyone  knows if ubuntu supports network installation throught wireless usb device  (atmel chip) ?
[01:15] <spiv> lamont__: Or hit ctrl-k then e' in insert mode in vim...
[01:15] <lamont__> spiv: so single octet per character, using the msb to make it pritty
[01:15] <mdz> ReporterX: not quite
[01:15] <mdz> ReporterX: the firmware is not available in the installer
[01:15] <mdz> ReporterX: but after installation, it should work out of the box
[01:15] <ReporterX> :-(
[01:15] <spiv> lamont__: yeah, it's 8-bits per char.
[01:15] <martinald> reporterx: do you not have a cd burner?
[01:16] <spiv> lamont__: man latin1 :)
[01:16] <ReporterX> martinald: yes... 
[01:16] <spiv> (or man iso_8859-1 if you prefer...)
[01:17] <lamont__> spiv: in insert mode, LANG=POSIX, c-k, e, " gives me a quote character...
[01:17] <lamont__> but ' works...
[01:17] <lamont__> damn fonts
[01:17] <spiv> lamont__: :)
[01:17] <ReporterX> where i can get .deb for atmel firmware ? I never worked with debian based distributions...
[01:18] <mdz> ReporterX: it's included in our standard kernel
[01:18] <lamont__>  xchat
[01:18] <lamont__> Segmentation fault
[01:18] <lamont__> kewl.
[01:19] <ReporterX> mdz: Thanks.... i'm going to download the ISO file.
[01:19] <lamont__> mdz: I think it'll be a 2-line patch: gotta disable autoconnecting to debian, and enable autoconnecting to ubuntu...
[01:19] <lamont__> :-)
[01:21] <martinald> why does ubuntu not ship IMwheel?
[01:21] <Hrdwr_BoB> because it's not needed?
[01:21] <koke> martinald: what's imwheel for??
[01:21] <kl_> autconnecting to ubuntu? does ubuntu have its own irc server?
[01:22] <martinald> to use mouse4 and mouse5 on my ms intellimouse as back/forward in web browsers
[01:22] <martinald> hrdwr: plese explain?
[01:22] <Hrdwr_BoB> martinald, you can change that in the browser settings
[01:22] <Hrdwr_BoB> you don't need an external program to do it
[01:22] <martinald> really?
[01:22] <martinald> do u have a guide?
[01:22] <Hrdwr_BoB> yes
[01:22] <Hrdwr_BoB> imwheel has been obsolete for a long time
[01:23] <khalek> imwheel is from like before x supportted scrollwheels
[01:23] <dieman> im so happy to leave work today
[01:23] <Hrdwr_BoB> I don't have a guide, but I can check it out here for you
[01:23] <toothpick> What is the default root password?
[01:23] <tseng> there is none
[01:23] <tseng> use sudo
[01:23] <Hrdwr_BoB> toothpick, there isn't, use 'sudo program'
[01:23] <Hrdwr_BoB> and put your password in
[01:23] <dieman> sudo su
[01:23] <dieman> for instance
[01:23] <martinald> BoB. thanks very much
[01:23] <tseng> sudo -s does that
[01:23] <martinald> i'm using FF 0.9
[01:23] <Hrdwr_BoB> eg: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:23] <toothpick> from console logon I can do the same?
[01:23] <tseng> dont run sudo su
[01:23] <dieman> heh
[01:23] <dieman> tseng: habit
[01:24] <koke> lamont__: yep, just a 2-line patch :)
[01:24] <toothpick> So I can...from console type as a regular user sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and edit it?
[01:25] <tseng> yep
[01:25] <tseng> use your users password to authenticate
[01:25] <lamont__> the initial user is added to /etc/sudoers for you.
[01:26] <toothpick> tseng: ok thanks, cause I tried to install nvidia drivers and now x won't start so I want to at least go back to what I had prior to messing up x totally.
[01:26] <koke> http://sindominio.net/koke/patches/patch-xchat-ubuntu-channel.patch
[01:26] <martinald> bob: you still with me?
[01:26] <Hrdwr_BoB> yeah
[01:26] <Hrdwr_BoB> it appears you can't do that
[01:26] <dieman> lamont__: are there plans for adduser to add to groups/sudoers if you want?
[01:26] <Hrdwr_BoB> however
[01:27] <lamont__> dieman: file a wishlist bug
[01:27] <dieman> lamont__: ok
[01:27] <lamont__> but I don't think there are..
[01:27] <Hrdwr_BoB> alt+mousewheel might do it
[01:27] <lamont__> the expectation is that the first user is the admin, ergo...
[01:27] <dieman> lamont__: do any of the user management frontends do so?
[01:27] <koke> IMHO it should be better to work on gnome-system-tools
[01:27] <martinald> nope doesn't work
[01:27] <martinald> how is everyone else utilizing there back/forward mouse buttons?
[01:27] <crb> If I try and use nautilus to browse the Windows domain in Ubuntu, I get "The folder contents could not be displayed."  "Windows network:DOMAIN could not be found.  Perhaps it has recently been deleted."  The DC is a Windows 2003 machine; is this likely to be a Samba issue, or should I raise it with the ubuntu bugzilla?
[01:27] <martinald> or is no-one using a mouse with 5 buttons
[01:28] <Hrdwr_BoB> martinald, do you mean the extra buttons on the side of those ridululous MS mice
[01:28] <Hrdwr_BoB> that you always accidentally hit and go back
[01:28] <Hrdwr_BoB> and it screws yup your form
[01:28] <martinald> i love them
[01:28] <Hrdwr_BoB> *up
[01:28] <martinald> please don't bitch at me
[01:28] <Hrdwr_BoB> I despise them with a passion :)
[01:28] <martinald> well thats just great
[01:28] <Hrdwr_BoB> caused me lots of greif
[01:28] <Hrdwr_BoB> but
[01:28] <martinald> but i happen to like them
[01:28] <Hrdwr_BoB> you can use them
[01:28] <martinald> how? how?
[01:29] <Hrdwr_BoB> you would have to tell X your mouse has 7 buttons
[01:29] <martinald> i already have
[01:29] <Hrdwr_BoB> and then you would have to find a firefox configuration plugin that let you change function mappings
[01:29] <dieman> 128 requests currently being processed, 15 idle workers
[01:29] <dieman> yay.
[01:29] <dieman> its finally slowing down
[01:29] <martinald> the problem is mapping those 2 buttons to back and forward
[01:29] <Hrdwr_BoB> dieman, that looks sane :)
[01:29] <martinald> which is exactly what imwheel does
[01:29] <nictuku> what dieman?
[01:29] <martinald> but apparently thats obslete
[01:30] <nictuku> what installer is ubuntu using? d-i?
[01:30] <dieman> nictuku: ftp.cs.umn.edu
[01:30] <nictuku> oh I'm there too hehe
[01:31] <dieman> elmo_: heh, finally made it out?
[01:31] <nictuku> 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510582097.org lol
[01:31] <dieman> thanks :)
[01:32] <kl_> 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592.jp :)
[01:32] <dieman> if its too long, irc doesn't show it :)
[01:33] <dieman> well, hybrid based servers in paticular
[01:33] <kl_> hehe, domain name length limitation kicks in first :)
[01:33] <dieman> but, since everyone uses hybrid :)
[01:33] <sivang> dieman : i thought you used some kind of a hack to stash away your ip :)
[01:34] <crb> how many of those digits are 'active', nictuku?
[01:34] <lamont__>         realname = g_locale_to_utf8 (realname, -1, 0, 0, 0);
[01:34] <lamont__> which is bad when LOCALE doesn't match the data...  sigh.
[01:34] <nictuku> crb, /whois dieman
[01:35] <renners> hi... newbie here, just unstalled ubuntu... can I ask some questionns please?
[01:35] <Hrdwr_BoB> yes
[01:35] <dieman> sure
[01:35] <Hrdwr_BoB> martinald, hrm.. seems like a reasonable enough thing to do
[01:35] <dieman> mmmm. gprs.
[01:35] <Hrdwr_BoB> martinald, add universe to /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:35] <Hrdwr_BoB> and then apt-get install imwheel
[01:35] <lamont__> elmo_: #1257 is for you...
[01:35] <renners> ok... screen res is set to 1024... looks kinda small on my TFT monitor, I need to change to 1280 but can't see how?
[01:36] <Hrdwr_BoB> renners, in the computer->settings (iirc) menu
[01:36] <Hrdwr_BoB> there's a resolution changer
[01:36] <renners> max res available is 1024?
[01:36] <nictuku> start -> configurations -> control panel -> dislpay HEHEHE
[01:36] <punkass> have a shared printer on a XP box...trying to connect to it ,it finds it on the network no problem, but just when OK to finalize setup it ask for a username and password, but there is none required.
[01:36] <Hrdwr_BoB> renners, does your monitor do 1280 ?
[01:37] <Hrdwr_BoB> that's what your monitor has reported itself as doing
[01:37] <renners> yes, it's TFT, native res 1280x1024
[01:37] <parisi> Hey guys
[01:38] <Parisi> wow
[01:38] <Parisi> Channel just keeps getting bigger and bigger ;0
[01:38] <Hrdwr_BoB> renners, that's a bug :)
[01:38] <dieman> US Secretary of State Colin Powell says he hopes to be able to remove Saudi Arabia from the State Department list of religiously intolerant countries.
[01:38] <dieman> ack
[01:38] <dieman> misfire
[01:38] <dieman> wrong chan
[01:38] <Hrdwr_BoB> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[01:39] <nictuku> ubuntu is very promising. I hope you guys suceed.
[01:39] <Hrdwr_BoB> wil re-configure X and you can fix it there
[01:39] <renners> oh no!!!!! any work around?
[01:39] <lamont__> dieman: but how else will we get the OT news???
[01:39] <dieman> lamont__: haha
[01:39] <punkass> lol
[01:39] <dieman> lamont__: yeah, you've been fairly removed i guess because of release ;)
[01:39] <Hrdwr_BoB> renners, but if you can hang around, sometime when daniels is on, let him know baout it
[01:40] <Hrdwr_BoB> or email him at daniels@fooishbar.org
[01:40] <tseng> if fooishbar is up
[01:40] <Hrdwr_BoB> yeah
[01:40] <renners> thanks bob
[01:40] <Parisi> How would i check my processor fequency from a command line?
[01:40] <Hrdwr_BoB> Parisi, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[01:40] <Parisi> Im pretty sure its running at a lower speed :(
[01:41] <Parisi> Yup,  i was right.
[01:41] <Parisi> Hrdwr_BoB,  thanks.
[01:41] <elmo_> lamont: huh?
[01:41] <Hrdwr_BoB> no worries
[01:41] <renners> another dumb question... I dont much like gnome, can I install KDE on ubuntu?
[01:41] <elmo_> openoffice.org-dictionaries | 20030813-3 | warty/universe | source
[01:41] <Hrdwr_BoB> renners, yes and no ... mostly no
[01:41] <Parisi> Now way!
[01:42] <Hrdwr_BoB> yes, in the future
[01:42] <Parisi> Gnome all the way!
[01:42] <Hrdwr_BoB> currently, not really
[01:42] <lamont__> elmo_: why didn't that package make it into at least universe???
[01:42] <Parisi> If you really like kde id suggest you another debian based distro.
[01:42] <Parisi> Mepis is a pretty good one.
[01:42] <lamont__> elmo_: or rather, we need to get it into at least universe...
[01:42] <Parisi> Sorry for jumping in into the conversation btw, heh.
[01:43] <elmo_> lamont: ITS IN UNIVERSE
[01:43] <Hrdwr_BoB> it's IRC, jumping in is what it's all about
[01:43] <Hrdwr_BoB> I should be working anyway
[01:43] <Hrdwr_BoB> or at least getting coffee
[01:43] <Parisi> Hehe.
[01:43] <elmo_> lamont: openoffice.org-dictionaries | 20030813-3 | warty/universe | source
[01:43] <Parisi> I just left work.
[01:43] <lamont__> hrmpf.
[01:43] <lamont__> ok.
[01:43] <lamont__> %_*&+(}IPO it's one of them thar arch all packages, isn't it.
[01:43] <lamont__> damn arch all
[01:43] <lamont__> seb128 about?
[01:44] <Parisi> How would i be able to disable my external monitor connected on my lappy? anyone would have any clue by any chance?
[01:44] <seb128> lamont__: what ?
[01:44] <Parisi> Under windows i can use a simple combination of keys.
[01:44] <lamont__> g_get_real_name is part of gnome, yes/
[01:44] <lamont__> >
[01:44] <lamont__> ?
[01:44] <seb128> yes
[01:44] <xxor_> there a problem with xmms DIST writer plugin .. doesnt write .wav's
[01:44] <Parisi> I hate how laptop support under distros just plain sucks
[01:44] <seb128> lamont__: glib's function
[01:45] <lamont__> well, if you pass it an iso-8859-1 name (say from /etc/passwd), it returns null...  This kinda pisses off other places that expect realname to be non-Null...
[01:45] <seb128> you have to pass utf-8 strings to glib functions
[01:45] <seb128> or it raises an error
[01:45] <lamont__> elmo_: my bad - I looked at w-b, not the archive.
[01:45] <lamont__> seb128: #1299 is caused by that...
[01:45] <seb128> g_locale_to_utf8 ()
[01:46] <seb128> to convert iso to utf-8
[01:46] <lamont__> yeah - that func sorry
[01:46] <lamont__> but when locale is en_US.UTF-8...
[01:46] <lamont__> it returns NULL
[01:46] <lamont__> when given ISO-8859-1 data
[01:46] <seb128> check with g_utf8_validate ()
[01:46] <lamont__> glib2.0 source?
[01:46] <seb128> and use convert is the result is false
[01:46] <Hrdwr_BoB> xxor_, what is the problem/error
[01:47] <seb128> lamont__: I'm using devhelp to browse the API, very handy
[01:47] <lamont__> seb128: if I force things happy in the one place that xchat does that, then we die in pallette.c in some shared lib....
[01:47] <seb128> lamont__: ?
[01:48] <seb128> lamont__: just use g_utf8_validate () and according to the result g_locale_to_utf8 () or not
[01:48] <seb128> so you're sure to get an utf-8 string
[01:48] <lamont__> grab source for xchat, help src/common/cfgfiles.c:551 ish to never let realname be NULL.  stuff an iso-8859-1 char in your user name in /etc/passwd, locale = some UTF-8 locale, and run xchat.
[01:49] <lamont__> seb128: it's not in xchat... it's in some shlib somewhere..
[01:49] <seb128> ok, let me check
[01:49] <lamont__> oops.
[01:49] <lamont__> src/fe-gtk/palette.c
[01:50] <lamont__> ok.  I need to run to class, will figure this out afterwards...
[01:50] <seb128> ok
[01:50] <lamont__> seb128: nm looking..
[01:51] <egon_spengler> quit
[01:55] <xxor_> Hrdwr_Bob: forget it .. its just buggy
[02:06] <tseng> hmm, how can i resolve an irq conflict
[02:06] <tseng> it looks like pcmcia and my ipw2200 both want irq7
[02:07] <tseng> ...
[02:12] <neighborlee> bios maybe or move card to another slot if poss.
[02:12] <djempak> tseng, can you assign IRQs using your BIOS setup?
[02:12] <tseng> no idea
[02:13] <tseng> neighborlee: its a laptop...
[02:13] <neighborlee> :)
[02:20] <neighborlee> hello ?
[02:20] <neighborlee> boy its quiet all of a sudden
[02:26] <elmo_> kamion: did you see my earlier comments about framebuffer?
[02:26] <elmo_> kamion: also, sarge rc-1 works on the machine, with linux2.6, and ignore my blabbering about the device name earlier, sarge uses /dev/cciss/c0d0 just fine
[02:37] <tory> when I use the industrial theme the desktop emblem overlaps the text :(
[02:40] <scapegoat> anyone else notice that it didn't let you set a root passwd? and i don't know what it is? :P
[02:41] <tory> use sudo
[02:41] <scapegoat> sudo. gah
[02:41] <tory> search the website. I think it says that you can set a root password
[02:41] <scapegoat> ya i shoulda done that first ;) thx
[02:41] <jblack> Yup. sudo passwd
[02:43] <scapegoat> this is a wicked distro
[02:43] <tory> yeah :)
[02:43] <twisted_steel> i'm tempted to toss it on my laptop
[02:44] <keifer> yeah, I was surprised, for me, it's running faster then gentoo did.
[02:44] <twisted_steel> though I should be using it for homework :)
[02:45] <neighborlee> keifer, yeah its nice and fast ;-)
[02:45] <neighborlee> what a bonus ;-)))
[02:46] <jblack> hiya ancker
[02:46] <anckerlaptop> howdy
[02:46] <scapegoat> gnome 2.8 is wicked too
[02:47] <twisted_steel> the computer menu looks quite nice in the screenshots
[02:48] <keifer> I can't stand the themes for it, but I can deal with that... (/me runs off to crystalgnome.org)
[02:52] <anckerlaptop> looks nice...I'm not a gnome user though...any ideas on when KDE will be included?
[02:53] <twisted_steel> I think I saw something about that in an article
[02:53] <jblack> ancker: Soon.
[02:53] <anckerlaptop> okay
[02:56] <martinald> oh shit
[02:56] <martinald> big fuckup from me
[02:56] <martinald> i shagged my xfree config file
[02:56] <martinald> got very stuck
[02:56] <martinald> so i thought hey.. if i do rm XF* it might force it to rebuild a default one
[02:56] <twisted_steel> heh
[02:56] <martinald> big mistake. most of xfree goes... had to reinstall it all
[02:57] <martinald> how can i revert my xfree file back to default?
[02:57] <martinald> the one that came when i installed ubuntu
[02:58] <JStrike> martinald : Isn't there the saved one? The ~ file
[02:58] <martinald> i don't believe so
[02:58] <martinald> i think i'd of noticed that while sitting at init3 ;)
[02:59] <martinald> but the one xf86config makes is really nasty
[03:00] <JStrike> he
[03:01] <neighborlee> how do I extract a .sh file ?
[03:01] <martinald> does anyone know where i can find the settings for a hansol 930D monitor?
[03:01] <Hrdwr_BoB> neighborlee, what do you actually want to do
[03:01] <martinald> extract?
[03:01] <martinald> you don't extract
[03:01] <martinald> you do sh shellfile.sh or ./shellfile
[03:01] <martinald> .sh
[03:02] <mdz> martinald: dpkg --purge xserver-xfree86; apt-get install xserver-xfree86
[03:03] <neighborlee> Hrdwr_BoB, well..i'm trying to install theut2k4 retail via a .sh script included on the CD
[03:04] <neighborlee> Hrdwr_BoB, but..its written FOR gtk1 not gtk2 that gnome2.8 comes with.
[03:04] <neighborlee> Hrdwr_BoB, thus the problem LOL..they made it for gtk1 compat it seems..so i'm being told to extract .sh file and run it another way
[03:04] <Hrdwr_BoB> ah
[03:04] <neighborlee> Hrdwr_BoB, sigh I might just as well use the textual installer and forget it LOL
[03:04] <martinald> ok. i'll try it out
[03:04] <Hrdwr_BoB> that's a much better idea :)
[03:04] <neighborlee> Hrdwr_BoB, they are talking about supporting GTK2 'next time' <G>
[03:05] <martinald> will that make the original, non xf86config file?
[03:07] <martinald> install gtk1
[03:07] <martinald> thats easy with apt-get
[03:07] <s0dak1ng> mdz:did u ever see that dr_something guy?did ubuntu run on his M6811 laptop
[03:08] <mdz> s0dak1ng: I don't know
[03:08] <martinald> apt-get install libgtk1.2 should do it
[03:11] <sivang> mdz : is there a package to install bitorrent in warty?
[03:13] <neighborlee> sivang, yes
[03:13] <sivang> neighborlee : i suppose it comes from sid?
[03:13] <neighborlee> have fun ;-)
[03:14] <mdz> sivang: the package is named, quite unsurprisingly, 'bittorrent' :-)
[03:14] <neighborlee> sivang, faik yes 
[03:14] <savs> just installed latest version - serious improvement, actually worked first time, totally impressed!
[03:14] <mdz> savs: thanks!
[03:15] <savs> mystified about suspend/resume/acpi power settings though - any hints where they are hidden?
[03:15] <sivang> mdz : hmm , tried that a couple of times, well what do you know? my shaky typing is to blame again!
[03:15] <sivang> mdz : :)
[03:15] <mdz> savs: currently we don't automatically suspend/resume because it causes problems on too many laptops
[03:16] <mdz> savs: this is something we will work to improve in the next release
[03:16] <savs> ok, i guessed that might be the case (it's never worked on this laptop before ;-)
[03:16] <savs> so i assume no gui tools are there for configuring power settings?
[03:16] <mdz> savs: no, but it does a lot of nice things by default\
[03:16] <sivang> mdz : that can be added to a patched version of d-i, to create the suspend partition etc,
[03:17] <savs> ok
[03:17] <mdz> savs: when you go on battery power, it enables laptop mode in the kernel, sets hard drive spindown times, and throttles the screensaver, for example
[03:17] <savs> cool - lemme try ;-)
[03:17] <savs> install log, btw: http://www.andrewsavory.com/blog/archives/000373.html
[03:20] <s0dak1ng> mdz:is there a list of languages/input editor ubuntu supports?
[03:21] <mdz> s0dak1ng: nothing I could provide a URL for at the moment
[03:22] <s0dak1ng> mdz:does it support any asian input editor?
[03:22] <mdz> s0dak1ng: uim, xim, etc. are available in universe
[03:22] <mdz> scim
[03:23] <tseng> boo
[03:23] <tseng> when i close the lid on my laptop it feezes solid
[03:24] <npmccallum> tseng: put it in the oven, should warm it up a bit :)
[03:24] <tseng> npmccallum: i love you too
[03:24] <tseng> anyway, i stopped apmd and acpid and hit the little button again
[03:24] <tseng> same thing
[03:25] <tseng> rmmod button, hit it again
[03:25] <mdz> tseng: seems like a bios problem, no?
[03:25] <tseng> locked hard like nate's legs
[03:25] <mdz> ubuntu doesn't try to go to sleep or anything when you close the lid
[03:25] <mdz> could be an X/console switching problem
[03:25] <tseng> it could be
[03:25] <tseng> but gentoo never cared when i closed the lid
[03:25] <mdz> but if it doesn't help to kill acpid, that shouldn't be it
[03:25] <tseng> in fact, i had it run radeontool to turn the backlight off.
[03:26] <mdz> tseng: boot with acpi=off?
[03:26] <tseng> the only thing i changed in bios was disabling the modem
[03:26] <mdz> (or is it noacpi?)
[03:26] <tseng> i have pci=noacpi
[03:26] <mdz> try acpi=off
[03:26] <tseng> will do
[03:29] <tseng> mdz: that works
[03:29] <tseng> except for the obvious issue that i no longer have acpi :)
[03:30] <npmccallum> tseng: try nolapic
[03:31] <tseng> ok
[03:32] <mdz> tseng: bug please, with dmesg output, BIOS manufacturer/version/date?
[03:32] <tseng> dmesg will obviously be before it locks
[03:32] <tseng> the rest i can do
[03:34] <lifeless> the lsb init functions have bash-specific syntax on line 76
[03:34] <lifeless> I did an upgrade from a debian system that had dash as /bin/sh. Nothing restarted as a result.
[03:35] <tseng> npmccallum: with nolapic, the button just makes X flash for a second
[03:35] <mdz> lifeless: bug please
[03:35] <lifeless> mdz: k.
[03:36] <npmccallum> lifeless: which part of that line is the bash'ism?
[03:37] <lifeless> npmccallum: no idea. try running it under dash.
[03:38] <lifeless> mdz: our ssl certificate on bugzilla needs refreshing
[03:38] <lifeless> want a bug on that too?
[03:38] <mdz> npmccallum: the ${//} substitution
[03:38] <mdz> lifeless: sure
[03:38] <mdz> the more, the merrier
[03:39] <lifeless> oh, did jdub forward the warts observed in the installed on wednesday ?
[03:39] <Hrdwr_BoB> bug 1224: Need to get milk on the way home
[03:39] <jsc> nice distro folks... the amd64 version is nice
[03:39] <mdz> jsc: thanks!
[03:39] <jsc> my pleasure
[03:40] <jsc> literally
[03:40] <npmccallum> mdz, lifeless: I'll fix it now, its actually an upstream bug
[03:40] <jsc> nvidia works well on it too
[03:45] <s0dak1ng> jsc:what machine u got?
[03:46] <jsc> msi k8t neo platinum
[03:46] <jsc> 3200 
[03:46] <jsc> amd64... 1 gig ram
[03:46] <jsc> bfg 6800 
[03:48] <jsc> also have an msi k8t neo fisr2 with a 2800 and 512 ram
[03:48] <jsc> i have used gentoo mostly
[03:49] <jsc> but i like to try out different distro's too
[03:54] <lamont> hrm... irc.ubuntulinux.org is NXDOMAIN
[03:54] <tdicola> hello all
[03:55] <lamont> well, that wasn't so bad...
[03:55] <tdicola> is there an warty preview net install iso?
[03:55] <tdicola> er a warty 
[03:55] <lamont> tdicola: hrm...
[03:55] <tdicola> a friend of mine saw a mini.iso on archive.ubuntu.com a few days ago
[03:56] <tdicola> 4.5 megs or so
[03:56] <tdicola> but no luck now
[03:56] <lamont> I don't think 4.5 meg would do it...
[03:56] <lamont> maybe 45 meg
[03:57] <lamont> I don't see any poking around where they would be.
[03:57] <tdicola> yeah he said it had to download everything
[03:58] <tdicola> doh looks like he found it
[03:58] <tdicola> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[03:58] <tdicola> well thanks anyways :)
[03:59] <schweeb> whiprush: no, haven't got suspend yet
[03:59] <schweeb> anyone in here using suspend to ram in ubuntu?
[04:02] <tseng> npmccallum: what is nolapic btw
[04:03] <Chriffer> I havent tried suspend yet
[04:03] <Chriffer> just tried closing the lid, xscreensaver locked the screen
[04:05] <npmccallum> tseng: disables local apic
[04:05] <Parisi> How do i change color scheme under gnome 2.8
[04:06] <Parisi> I cant even read my fonts on the botton task bar once i installed a osc theme.
[04:06] <Parisi> osx*
[04:06] <Parisi> Same on xchat.
[04:06] <jdub> morning everyone!
[04:06] <tseng> lo jdub 
[04:08] <punkass> hi all.
[04:08] <sivang> hmm 5:00 am is certainly morning jdub :)
[04:08] <schweeb> Chriffer: heh, much different than suspend
[04:08] <punkass> where is a good spot to get all the codecs for totem?
[04:09] <lamont> jdub: you wanna review the patch for xchat?
[04:09] <punkass> great distro by the way.
[04:09] <neighborlee> guys is it okay to add a real live debian unstable branch..I need audacity and its not in unbuntu ..????;-)
[04:10] <jdub> sivang: 1200 (noon) here, i slept pretty soundly after all the release action ;-)
[04:10] <jdub> lamont: bug#?
[04:10] <jdub> neighborlee: it's not in universe?
[04:10] <lamont> jdub: 1299 (and 1314 while I'm there...)
[04:10] <Chriffer> audcity 1.2.1 in universe
[04:11] <sivang> jdub : me also, but only one day of rest. there too much action since :)
[04:11] <jordi> damn
[04:11] <tseng> can anyone play dvds in totem
[04:11] <lamont> neighborlee: you mean this one???  universe/sound/audacity_1.2.1-1: Installed [optional:uncompiled] 
[04:12] <neighborlee> jdub, oh crud I forgot about universe sorry..i'll add it to my sources.list
[04:12] <lamont> neighborlee: or which arch are you looking at?
[04:12] <jdub> tseng: no, there's no dvdcss support
[04:12] <neighborlee> lamont, kewl that works ;-0
[04:12] <jdub> tseng: but if you install totem-xine (universe) and libdvdcss (available on the web) you can watch dvds
[04:12] <neighborlee> lamont, nm I forgot about universe..warty is only one in default sources.list ;-0
[04:12] <neighborlee> warty main restricted
[04:13] <lamont> yeah
[04:13] <lamont> universe is not supported, so it's not there by default.
[04:13] <neighborlee> yup
[04:13] <lamont> if you're smart enough to add it, you're smart enough to know you're on your own... :-)
[04:13] <tseng> jdub: great, thanks
[04:13] <sil^> Question: once I've told the installer that I want to install packages from the net, why does it still add the CDROM as an apt source (and a preferred one at that)?
[04:13] <lifeless> npmccallum: #1325
[04:14] <npmccallum> lifeless: thanks :)
[04:14] <lifeless> mdz: what component for bugzilla bugs ? / website bugs ?
[04:14] <jdub> lamont: nothing more than a one liner for 1314
[04:14] <neighborlee> lamont, of course ;-)
[04:14] <jdub> ?
[04:15] <lamont> jdub: 3 lines, one of them blank. :-)
[04:15] <lamont> +       {"Ubuntu Servers", 0, "#ubuntu"},
[04:15] <lamont> +       {0,                     "irc.freenode.net"},
[04:15] <lamont> +
[04:15] <lamont>         {"Debian Servers", 0, "#debian"},
[04:15] <jdub> lamont: heh, ok, i'll approve ;)
[04:15] <lamont> the other bug is the crit one, and it's patch is a bit longer, with a nod to seb.
[04:15] <lamont> and has the patch in the bts
[04:16] <jdub> lifeless: what's this for?
[04:16] <lamont> jdub: knife practice, of course.
[04:16] <lifeless> jdub: the ssl certificate is wrong on bugzilla
[04:16] <jdub> mailing list is heating up :-)
[04:16] <jdub> lifeless: oh, just UNKONWN
[04:16] <jdub> lifeless: but it's already reported
[04:17] <lifeless> jdub: mdz asked for a bug to be filed
[04:17] <lifeless> so I did
[04:18] <jdub> oh, i was pretty sure it was already in there
[04:19] <sivang> jdub : ironically you used "soundly" to describe how well you slept :)
[04:22] <punkass> which codecs should i use for totem..xine or mplayer?
[04:22] <Hrdwr_BoB> totem uses gstreamer or xine
[04:22] <jdub> punkass: totem has only gstreamer or xine backends
[04:23] <jdub> punkass: i'd recommend installing totem-xine
[04:23] <tseng> punkass: xine plays alot more video formats in my experience
[04:23] <punkass> ok thanks
[04:23] <tseng> gstreamer is pretty good for audio
[04:24] <Parisi> how come mplayer is not on apt?
[04:24] <Parisi> o_O
[04:24] <punkass> oh i see u can only have on or the other
[04:25] <punkass> one*
[04:25] <Hrdwr_BoB> Parisi, the legality of mplayer is EXTREMELY questionable
[04:25] <Parisi> It is?
[04:25] <Hrdwr_BoB> yes
[04:25] <Parisi> hmm...
[04:25] <lamont> in some jurisdictions more than others
[04:25] <Parisi> Strange.
[04:25] <Hrdwr_BoB> yeah
[04:25] <Parisi> Every other distro includes it tho :(
[04:25] <Hrdwr_BoB> I live in a country where it's not CURRENTLY illegal
[04:25] <Hrdwr_BoB> but it's about to be
[04:25] <Hrdwr_BoB> Parisi, debian does not
[04:26] <Parisi> Mepis did, odd.
[04:26] <Hrdwr_BoB> Parisi, availability does not mean it's included :)
[04:26] <punkass> how does xine sit?
[04:26] <sivang> Parisi : redhat does?
[04:26] <tester> moof
[04:26] <punkass> compared to mplayer
[04:26] <Hrdwr_BoB> punkass, xine is fine
[04:26] <tester> and #1299 falls
[04:26] <sivang> Hrdwr_BoB : usa?
[04:26] <punkass> how come mplayer is more "illegal"
[04:26] <Parisi> sivang, fedora, yes.
[04:27] <Parisi> Once you have apt installed.
[04:27] <Parisi> Mplayer is just a mplayer, dont see how that would make it any different from any other player such as xine.
[04:27] <tseng> Parisi: it uses binary codecs from windows, for one
[04:28] <sivang> Parisi : it's included codecs and usage, is convtroversial
[04:28] <Parisi> But wouldnt that be optional?
[04:28] <Parisi> hehe.
[04:28] <Parisi> Controversial.
[04:28] <lamont> Bug List: Critical
[04:28] <lamont> No bugs found. 
[04:28] <lamont> kewl
[04:29] <sivang> Parisi : i'm after a night without sleep, not paying so much attentionto spelling mistakes ..
[04:29] <sivang> ;)
[04:29] <Parisi> hmm, i wish my processor would just run at full speed since its plugged in on ac power.
[04:29] <Parisi> This doesnt make sense.
[04:29] <sivang> Parisi : what brand?
[04:29] <Parisi> sivang,  no bog deal.
[04:29] <Parisi> Sony VAIO pIII 800
[04:30] <Parisi> it only triggers it back to 800 when i run a program such as a updatedb.
[04:30] <sivang> Parisi : i found that there's a bios setting that makes the proccesspr worl full power on ac
[04:30] <Chriffer> My VAIO was running at 134GHz according to the applet
[04:30] <sivang> Parisi : should be there somewhere, however be adviced that this can cause the machine to heat up a bit
[04:30] <Parisi> sivang, well, i believe its already set up that way.
[04:30] <sivang> Parisi : unles you've changed that, it's probably not.
[04:30] <Parisi> sivang,  i always run at 800 under windows when plugged in.
[04:31] <Parisi> when i disconnect it automatically drops down to 645 and brightness goes lower.
[04:31] <Parisi> I wish Linux would do that as well.
[04:31] <Chriffer> IT can but it takes effort
[04:32] <Parisi> ya, i wish a distro would get that right one day.
[04:32] <Parisi> Thatw ould be a bless.
[04:32] <Parisi> Would*
[04:32] <Parisi> I dont mind hibernate/suspend.
[04:32] <Parisi> But this one is a crucial.
[04:32] <Parisi> Battery wont even last 3 hours under linux..
[04:33] <Parisi> It just drains very quicky.
[04:33] <Chriffer> hehe mine lasts less than 10 minutes
[04:33] <Parisi> Most likely because of the brightness settings,.
[04:33] <Parisi> At this point i have no way to set my brigthness level underr linux.
[04:33] <Parisi> Which is the lame
[04:33] <wasabi> ubuntu should step out from the pack and ditch sysvinit.;)
[04:34] <Parisi> hehe.
[04:34] <Chriffer> look at sonypi
[04:34] <jdub> Parisi: we have great support for most acpi implementations
[04:34] <Chriffer> and theres another thing
[04:34] <Parisi> I heard of that Chri
[04:34] <jdub> Parisi: but some require a bit of kernel work and so on
[04:34] <jdub> Parisi: for instance, my X300 doesn't think it has batteries :)
[04:34] <jdub> but those will be sorted
[04:34] <Parisi> jdub, thats harsh, another reason to use XP
[04:35] <Parisi> Altough more and more i use it less.
[04:35] <Parisi> Screw Sony
[04:35] <jdub> Parisi: depends on what's important to you, of course. but linux moves faster than any other os on issues like this. we'll get there.
[04:35] <Parisi> This is very important to me.
[04:35] <Parisi> Specially on the road.
[04:36] <Parisi> I am forced to use XP when im out there.
[04:36] <Parisi> It gives me the best use of my battery.
[04:36] <Parisi> What choice do i have really.
[04:37] <Parisi> Also, is there a way to add shortcuts to the desktop under 2.8?
[04:37] <Parisi> It just wont let me drag and move it there.
[04:37] <jdub> right click
[04:37] <jdub> 'create launcher'
[04:38] <Parisi> Well, just by dragin it tho.
[04:38] <Parisi> Is that not possible?
[04:38] <Parisi> I justw anna drang a program from my start menu.
[04:38] <jdub> you can also drag from the panel, but not currently from the menu
[04:38] <Parisi> And put it there.
[04:38] <jsubl2> right click and put it on the panel then drag and drop
[04:38] <jdub> sorry, yes you can drag from the menu
[04:39] <jdub> but you need to hold the button down
[04:39] <jdub> there is an odd interaction there
[04:39] <Parisi> hmm..
[04:39] <Parisi> Just wont work for me.
[04:39] <Parisi> Odd.
[04:40] <Parisi> Ah  i see..
[04:40] <Parisi> I wanted to add a shortcut to my Home folder to the desktop.
[04:40] <Parisi> That wont work.
[04:40] <Parisi> Programs will do.
[04:40] <Parisi> tho*
[04:41] <lifeless> mdz: don't update to ipw2200 0.8 just yet
[04:41] <lifeless> its got a few quirks
[04:43] <Hrdwr_BoB> Parisi, yeah
[04:43] <Hrdwr_BoB> I wanted to do that too
[04:43] <punkass> will the codecs from the mplayer site work with xine?
[04:43] <Hrdwr_BoB> it's a sensible user thing
[04:43] <Hrdwr_BoB> it just doesn't work yet
[04:46] <neighborlee> is it okay to procede installing libgtk1.2 and *-common ?..dont want to break cause I know if I do I get both pieces ..o_0
[04:47] <neighborlee> ie: its for install of audacity...a much needed music app
[04:47] <neighborlee> only one I know of that does what I need in linux
[04:48] <Hrdwr_BoB> that should be fine
[04:48] <neighborlee> okay thx ;-00
[04:48] <neighborlee> that might also fix my GUI installer for some games too <G>
[04:49] <jdub> neighborlee: but remember that universe stuff is unsupported ;)
[04:49] <neighborlee> jdub, yes I know
[04:49] <neighborlee> jdub, not to worry..I know i get both pieces
[04:49] <neighborlee> its a risk I must take based on my music production needs
[04:50] <lamont> elmo around?
[04:50] <jdub> neighborlee: :-)
[04:51] <devkelso> hello all, I have some questions about ubuntu...
[04:51] <jdub> devkelso: this is the place for it
[04:52] <punkass> whats the best way to watch embedded wmv etc in firefox
[04:52] <bolivar> anyone setup a apt server with flash and java yet? hehe
[04:52] <Chriffer> gxine seems to work
[04:52] <devkelso> I love debian as a distro and gnome as a desktop, and I have been looking forward to an open desktop oriented distro based on the debian
[04:53] <Chriffer> I had to setup the plugin by hand though
[04:53] <devkelso> how open are you planning to keep ubuntu?
[04:53] <punkass> i just found a xine-mozilla plugin
[04:54] <Chriffer> Where did you find that punkass?
[04:54] <punkass> http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/xine/
[04:54] <punkass> its new to..just updated today
[04:55] <sivang> mdz : is #277 still on?
[04:55] <sivang> mdz : i having trouble reproducing..
[04:55] <Chriffer> gxine was somewhere either in the normal repo or in universe
[04:56] <Chriffer> the plugin installed to /usr/lib/gxine/something and i had to link it to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[04:57] <Parisi> aha!
[04:57] <Parisi> Figured it out how to setup brigtness on my Sony vaio
[04:58] <Parisi> Only from a command line tho, and after executing a specific module.
[04:58] <jdub> devkelso: very much so
[04:58] <sivang> good night people
[05:02] <Adonijah-> anyone else figure out how to migrate evolution 1.4.x mail to evolution 2.0 under ubuntu?
[05:02] <devkelso> jdub: I am interested in commiting time to a distro, but debian is to political, and fedora to closed.  Are developers pretty welcome here?
[05:03] <jdub> devkelso: definitely :)
[05:03] <jdub> Adonijah-: should happen when you first run evo2
[05:03] <jdub> devkelso: join -devel
[05:03] <Hrdwr_BoB> Adonijah-, it should Just Work
[05:03] <Adonijah-> jdub, i got an error when i first started evo2, then it prompted me to setup my mail accounts and started normally
[05:03] <Adonijah-> jdub, but it didn't migrate anything
[05:04] <devkelso> jdub: good ;)  How do I get involved in the graphical installer here?
[05:04] <whiprush> Adonijah-: you could probably do a file->import and choose the mbox file.
[05:04] <jdub> devkelso: well, work has not really started on some of those HoaryHedgehog goals, but join the list, and you'll hear about them as soon as they start ;)
[05:04] <Adonijah-> whiprush, dude, i have like 300 mbox files
[05:04] <Adonijah-> whiprush, that would take forever
[05:04] <jdub> Adonijah-: hrm, d'oh :|
[05:05] <whiprush> eek
[05:05] <Adonijah-> jdub, the error was something about not being able to start evolution datastore or the like properly
[05:05] <Adonijah-> jdub, how do I reset evolution to get the first time prompt again?
[05:06] <jdub> Adonijah-: delete ~/.evolution
[05:06] <jdub> Adonijah-: *not* ~/evolution ;-)
[05:06] <jdub> Adonijah-: and then perhaps check /apps/evolution in gconf-editor
[05:06] <Adonijah-> jdub, I have that backed up ;)
[05:06] <jdub> ehhhxcellent ;)
[05:06] <Adonijah-> jdub, this is a clean home dir btw
[05:06] <Adonijah-> jdub, the only thing I did was untar my evolution directory into home
[05:06] <Adonijah-> jdub, err... ~/
[05:07] <devkelso> jdub: where is a good todo then?
[05:08] <jdub> devkelso: bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org 8)
[05:08] <jdub> devkelso: also, on the wiki under HoaryHedgehog
[05:08] <devkelso> jdub: I can see you love a good bum rush ;)
[05:08] <jdub> devkelso: the HoaryHedgehog page has our broad goals for the next release
[05:10] <devkelso> jdub: yeah I came prepared, quite unusual for me.
[05:11] <Adonijah-> jdub, no dice
[05:11] <Adonijah-> jdub, wait a minute
[05:11] <Adonijah-> jdub, let me do that again ;)
[05:12] <tory> Please let us know if Mono is important to you or your projects, we are actively researching this at the moment and you could help us take the best decision.
[05:12] <tory> I want Mono
[05:12] <tory> and Muine instead of Rhythmbox :-)
[05:12] <tseng> tory: see the user ml
[05:12] <tseng> i posted packages.
[05:12] <tory> omg
[05:13] <clee> tseng totally rules.
[05:13] <clee> tseng: how is muine, btw?
[05:13] <clee> tseng: can it handle a few thousand songs?
[05:13] <tseng> sure can
[05:13] <tseng> i have ~800 atm in my flac collection
[05:13] <tseng> used to have more like 2k
[05:13] <tseng> in mp3s
[05:14] <clee> does it do FLAC?
[05:14] <tseng> it does gstreamer
[05:14] <tseng> so pretty much anything.
[05:14] <jdub> tory: we're looking at including mono in our next release
[05:14] <clee> jdub: go for it, piss off hp
[05:14] <jdub> tory: tseng has done some bleeding edge mono packages for warty too
[05:14] <jdub> muine is way ard
[05:14] <jdub> rad
[05:15] <tseng> the only thing its lacking is some good shuffle action
[05:15] <whiprush> your vocabulary is def.
[05:15] <tseng> if you want to shuffle a big playlist, you still want rhythmbox
[05:15] <tory> I added deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./ to my sources.list
[05:15] <clee> I tend to listen to an album at a time
[05:15] <whiprush> tseng: yeah I hate that
[05:15] <clee> can it randomize albums?
[05:15] <tseng> no
[05:15] <tory> and ran apt-get update but now I have a ton of unmet dependencies
[05:15] <Adonijah-> jdub, ok, after evolution-2.0 --force-shutdown, deleting ~/.evolution and ~/.gconf/apps/evolution and then doing a kill -HUP on gconfd, re-extracting my old ~/evolution into my home dir, and then restarting evolution and starting evolution-2.0 for the second time it migrated perfectly, accounts and all
[05:15] <clee> wtf
[05:15] <clee> week
[05:15] <clee> er, weak even
[05:15] <tseng> there are plans to add a "party shuffle" kinda deal though
[05:15] <clee> yeah, I can spell, and type
[05:15] <jdub> Adonijah-: heh, that's how it's meant to work first time ;)
[05:16] <jdub> Adonijah-: great ;)
[05:16] <Adonijah-> jdub, so I think the evolution datastore is squirrely
[05:16] <tory> there's no mono-mint
[05:16] <Adonijah-> jdub, at least for new user accounts
[05:16] <tory> E: Package mono-mint has no installation candidate
[05:16] <tseng> tory: nope, you need it?
[05:16] <tory> apparently
[05:16] <tseng> i built the mono source package, and didnt get it
[05:16] <tseng> tory: youre non x86?
[05:16] <tory> I've got an Athlon 64 running the i386 version
[05:16] <clee> mmm. i386.
[05:16] <tseng> http://www.jbaayen.dds.nl/proposal.html <-- plan for random playlists in muine
[05:16] <neighborlee> no biggie just wondering..are there supposed to be any desktop icons..I dont have any...which is usually my preference but sometimes right clicking CDROM > eject is nice..anyway is this norm ?
[05:17] <tseng> tory: yeah.. the jit wasnt released yet I think
[05:17] <jdub> tory: didn't want the amd64 version?
[05:17] <jdub> neighborlee: no, desktop icons are off. :-)
[05:17] <tory> jdub: I tried it out but it had gnome 2.72 and some other stuff
[05:17] <tseng> tory: try installing mono-mint from debian unstable maybe?
[05:17] <jdub> neighborlee: see the FAQ ;)
[05:17] <neighborlee> jdub, okay thx thats fine
[05:17] <tory> tseng: how do I do that :/
[05:17] <Adonijah-> jdub, oh, and I dunno that it makes a difference, but i'm running amd64 here
[05:17] <tseng> us x86 dudes use mono-jit
[05:17] <neighborlee> jdub, as I say I usually prefer it ;-0
[05:17] <tseng> not -mint
[05:17] <tory> well if I apt-get install mono it brings up mono-mint as an unmet dependency
[05:17] <jdub> Adonijah-: hrm, probably not
[05:18] <neighborlee> jdub, I mean usually prefer them off ;-)..I like clean uncluttered desktop ;-0
[05:18] <jdub> Adonijah-: so you had a totally new user account, unpacked your evolution dir, and ran evo2?
[05:18] <tseng> i should throw up monodevelop
[05:19] <tseng> anyway, im beat
[05:19] <tseng> ill see you crazy kids tommorow
[05:19] <Adonijah-> jdub, yep
[05:19] <tory> does anybody have a link to that site for pasting code
[05:19] <Adonijah-> jdub, just finished setting up my system, logged in, unpacked my evo dir, ran evo2, kablooie
[05:20] <Adonijah-> and maybe I did exaggerate a bit, i don't have 300 mboxes, but I do have about 30 or so :)
[05:20] <jdub> Adonijah-: okay, so, i think this is a good upstream evo bug
[05:20] <Adonijah-> jdub, wished I had grabbed the error when I saw it
[05:20] <jdub> Adonijah-: it basically means that if you don't have existing evo config (in gconf), it won't correctly migrate the actual data
[05:21] <jdub> Adonijah-: can you ping the evo guys about it? #evolution on gimpnet, or bugzilla.ximian.com
[05:21] <tory> http://rafb.net/paste/results/QKJLlw15.html
[05:21] <tory> ^ that's what I get 
[05:21] <Adonijah-> jdub, if I can reproduce with a new use account
[05:21] <jdub> Adonijah-: cool
[05:21] <Adonijah-> jdub, thanks
[05:21] <Adonijah-> jdub, sleep time :)
[05:24] <tory> tseng: wake up :(
[05:26] <jdub> npmccallum: are you getting upload confirms for your uploads/
[05:26] <Amroc> question time...agian!
[05:27] <Amroc> if i was to go download the full version of warty, and install that, how easy is that to partition the hard drive or shold i get my brothers help?
[05:27] <jdub> Amroc: it's pretty easy
[05:27] <Amroc> and is there any way to reverse it back to winblows if needed?
[05:27] <jdub> Amroc: but if you need to resize things, i'd recommend using other tools at this stage
[05:27] <bolivar> amroc: you can simply accept the default
[05:28] <jdub> Amroc: well, if you set up partitions alongside windows, you can choose to boot windows or ubuntu
[05:28] <Amroc> so i still have all the stuff i have saved (ie. pics, songs, ect) when i switch?
[05:28] <bolivar> are you running windows or linux now? are you running both?
[05:29] <Amroc> winbows, i think me *cringe*
[05:29] <matthewjs> does anyone know how to get suspend to disk to work?
[05:29] <Amroc> i think i know how to get linux on my machine, bug my brother into helping
[05:30] <bolivar> you will need to use a partitioning tool to make room on your drive...or back up all your files and only install linux
[05:30] <tory> oic, switching to universe lets me install mono
[05:30] <bolivar> if your brave that is ; )
[05:33] <linux_mafia> does ubuntu support reiserfs on the install?
[05:33] <bolivar> its not the default, but yes you can change it
[05:33] <linux_mafia> sweet
[05:34] <clee> reiserfs is totally weak
[05:34] <Amroc> are you guys getting alot of people inhere now that you made slashdot?
[05:34] <clee> xfs fo life
[05:34] <whiprush> clee: word.
[05:34] <linux_mafia> downloading now, went from debian to fedora after 5 years, wanted a bit of spit and polish, now it looks like i'll have the best of both worlds ;)
[05:35] <bolivar> you wont miss fedora
[05:37] <linux_mafia> yeah i only used it for two months, and i wanted to go back to deb, but i also wanted to try something new, so this is perfect timing
[05:38] <whiprush> time based releases is going to rock
[05:38] <Amroc> how well do you think warty will work on an older laptop?
[05:38] <mako> Amroc: how old is the laptop :)
[05:39] <sladen> Amroc: probably better than on a brand new one---stuff is even /more/ likely to be supported and working.  But yes, depends on the laptop!
[05:39] <mako> if it's *real* old, it might be rough
[05:40] <sn0wman> Has anyone else had trouble getting the binary nvidia driver working?
[05:40] <Amroc> bout 4 years old
[05:40] <mako> jordi was running warty on some old laptop i think
[05:40] <mako> some pitiful amount of ram
[05:40] <mako> he was braver than i
[05:40] <mako> Amroc: should be fine
[05:40] <mako> Amroc: mine is about that.. maybe 3
[05:40] <jsubl2> sn0wman, it worked okay for me
[05:41] <Amroc> hmmm, i think i need to jsut back up files and do full install then, now to figure out how to get files off this machine
[05:41] <sn0wman> jsubl2, so you installed the kernel source, unpacked it, and set Nvidia setup
[05:41] <sn0wman> 's flag to the path
[05:41] <sn0wman> cause that what i did, and it croaks over a gcc version mismatch
[05:42] <linux_mafia> i noticed alot of people on osnews were whining about no cd burning app, can you not install k3b? or is it just a matter of adding the right sources? is it in universe?
[05:42] <jsubl2> sn0wman, the kernel modules was already there.  I modprobe'd it manually first time. then added it to /etc/modules 
[05:42] <jsubl2> linux_mafia, nautilus can burn. 
[05:42] <whiprush> there is a cd burning app
[05:42] <whiprush> just put in a blank cd.
[05:43] <sn0wman> linux_mafia, nautilus-cd-burner is fine for anything but audio CDs
[05:43] <linux_mafia> whiprush, this i know, but audio cds, vcd's and the like
[05:43] <whiprush> someone reported earlier that k3b is working now in universe
[05:43] <linux_mafia> cool
[05:45] <bolivar> looking on the webpage for anything special i need to do to create some packages....does the page have that?
[05:47] <jsubl2> sn0wman, i just apt-get nvidia-glx plus what i said
[05:48] <sn0wman> jsubl2, yeah, thanks.  I got it working. :)
[05:49] <ish> 3 times a charm I hope..  2 toasters down..
[05:52] <punkass> so is there any trick to geting the nvidia drivers to wokr
[05:52] <punkass> er work
[05:52] <punkass> i change nv to nvidia in XF86config-4 but that just ended up with an error
[05:53] <jsubl2> punkass, apt-get install nvidia.  ediit XF86Config-4, add nvidia /etc/modules, modprobe nvidia or reboot 
[05:54] <punkass>  Couldn't find package nvidia
[05:54] <jsubl2> nvidia-glx sorry
[05:55] <punkass> Package nvidia-glx is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:55] <m_tthew> jsubl2: actually think the nvidia stuff will show up as a choice in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 after the package is installed
[05:56] <m_tthew> so XF86Config-4 can be modified that way
[05:56] <punkass> so i just run dpkg-reconfigure?
[05:56] <m_tthew> punkass: after you install nvidia-glx, I think so
[05:56] <punkass> hmm i cant find that
[05:56] <jdub> punkass: dude
[05:57] <punkass> yes
[05:57] <jdub> punkass: you've installed linux-restricted-... ?
[05:57] <m_tthew> punkass: it's in restriced here
[05:57] <punkass> yes i checked the restricted ones in the repository list
[05:58] <punkass> main restricted universe  
[05:58] <punkass> main restricted 
[05:58] <punkass> tho i am getting an error when it trys to get a package list
[05:59] <m_tthew> punkass: you have noth those lines uncommented in sources.list?
[05:59] <m_tthew> afaik you want the former and not the latter
[06:00] <punkass> Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_main_binary-i386_Packages)
[06:00] <punkass> Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_restricted_binary-i386_Packages)
[06:00] <m_tthew> I suspect you have both lines, duplicating main and restricted
[06:00] <punkass> oh but glx is comin up now
[06:01] <punkass> weird
[06:01] <punkass> i am just using what ever was in the sources.lst file
[06:04] <neighborlee> is there a faq for getting nvidia 3d drivers working here...
[06:06] <m_tthew> neighborlee: it's been discussed on the mailing list quite a bit, don't know if it's in the faq yet
[06:06] <neighborlee> k thx
[06:06] <m_tthew> afaik the long term plan is to make it easier to do, so perhaps faq entry is delayed until then
[06:07] <neighborlee> ic
[06:08] <gardion_> Who is the intended audience for ubuntu?
[06:09] <bolivar> linux users ; ) sorry couldnt help myself
[06:09] <neighborlee> heh
[06:10] <_1oo7> rock on for the 6mo release cycle, btw.
[06:10] <m_tthew> gardion_: reading the webpage makes me think people who use linux on the desktop and on servers
[06:10] <Hrdwr_BoB> gardion_, to begin with, I think mostly people who like debian but want something up to date and that is more Just Works
[06:11] <gardion_> bolvar: yes but so is redhat and debian linux
[06:11] <bolivar> what have you used so far?
[06:11] <gardion_> Actually mainly debian.
[06:11] <jdub> neighborlee: it should be pretty straight forward
[06:12] <jdub> neighborlee: install the linux-restricted-modules package for your kernel (apt-cache search linux restricted, and take your pick)
[06:12] <jdub> neighborlee: then install nvidia-glx
[06:12] <gardion_> Will ubunto have the kde desktop as well or is it choosing to use gnome.
[06:12] <jdub> neighborlee: then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[06:12] <jsubl2> a debian based distro with the very latest gnome attracked me.
[06:12] <matthewjs> does anyone know how to get suspend to disk to work?
[06:12] <jdub> gardion_: gnome by default, but kde is available in our unsupported 'universe' packages
[06:13] <bolivar> jdub: you have an apt server address for that?
[06:13] <gardion_> See this is what I'm curious about.  It seems that ubuntu and userlinix have made similar choices for desktops and similar support goals  why two distributions then?
[06:13] <jdub> bolivar: which?
[06:14] <bolivar> universe packages
[06:14] <jdub> gardion_: different goals in other ways
[06:14] <neighborlee> jdub, thx..it is just found ML post
[06:14] <jdub> bolivar: you add 'universe' to your deb lines in sources.list
[06:14] <neighborlee> jdub, heh yup..way ahead of ya
[06:14] <bolivar> gotcha
[06:14] <gardion_> such as?
[06:14] <neighborlee> jdub, heh afterall were talking opengl man!! lol
[06:14] <jdub> gardion_: six-month time-based releases, community structure, etc., etc.
[06:15] <neighborlee> jdub, this is my life yer talking practically ;-00
[06:15] <jdub> gardion_: it's a pretty different approach, even though they may look similar on the surface
[06:16] <schweeb> jdub: was the livecd removed?
[06:17] <gardion_> See I'd love to see debian used more be it debian or debian based linux versions but it seems a new distro is popping up every so often.  
[06:17] <jdub> schweeb: delayed a little
[06:17] <schweeb> :-/
[06:17] <jdub> schweeb: you can download older versions here: http://people.no-name-yet.com/~mdz/ubuntu-live/
[06:17] <schweeb> excellent
[06:17] <jdub> gardion_: this is going to be full-on, seriously commercially supported, etc., etc.
[06:18] <bolivar> jdub: i assume the universe packages were rebuilt to work with ubuntu?  the webpage said the stock debian files are not recommended
[06:18] <Hrdwr_BoB> bolivar, correct
[06:18] <jdub> bolivar: yes, it's all ubuntu-built
[06:18] <schweeb> making a forum post on Ars with a list of the cool shit about ubuntu... need a livecd so they can at least get some semblance of what preview is like
[06:18] <bolivar> thank you both
[06:19] <jdub> schweeb: please note that it's an older version of the packages and desktop, not up to date with the preview release.
[06:19] <schweeb> yes
[06:19] <m_tthew> and contains bugs that have been fixed already
[06:19] <m_tthew> :)
[06:19] <neighborlee> k time to reboot to get 3d goin ..bbbbbbbRB <<
[06:19] <schweeb> I'll put a big, red, <blink></blink> disclaimer :P
[06:19] <jdub> heh
[06:20] <schweeb> I'd like to note how it's frigging sweet how fast you guys are on bugzilla responses
[06:20] <schweeb> mdz was all over like all 4 bugreports I added in like 10 mins
[06:20] <schweeb> heh
[06:21] <m_tthew> mdz tends to be all over things, I've noticed
[06:21] <whiprush> I want to know who made the decision to build firefox without Xprint, so I can hug him.
[06:21] <schweeb> whiprush: xprint was always sort of an addon
[06:21] <schweeb> but sid may have had it as a dep
[06:22] <whiprush> don't care, hate it. I won't miss it. heh.
[06:22] <tory> I can't wait until beagle is stable
[06:23] <gardion_> I hope this project goes well.   Is there a list of packages for this project?
[06:23] <m_tthew> gardion_: I think there is a .list next to the .iso images
[06:23] <m_tthew> but I don't think that reflects everything in main & restricted -- but I don't know for sure.
[06:24] <neighborlee> nvidia! lol
[06:26] <jdub> gardion_: see our seed lists in the wiki, and you can always check the archive :)
[06:26] <crimsun> bah, what is dookoo doing in here
[06:26] <schweeb> it'd be nice if nvidia would fix their kernel module to correctly export the sysfs hooks... really shouldn't have to manually load the driver w/ udev :-/
[06:26] <dukeku> crimsun: i use ubuntu on one box :(
[06:27] <crimsun> :)
[06:27] <tory> dukeku: -_-
[06:27] <dukeku> tory: loool
[06:27] <dukeku> crimsun: tory convinced me :/
[06:27] <crimsun> good good
[06:27] <tory> ubuntu is awesome :D
[06:27] <twisted_steel> any idea on the hardware support of a brand new thinkpad t42? :)
[06:28] <dukeku> i should put it on my ib0rk, see if it runs
[06:28] <jdub> twisted_steel: totally rad :)
[06:28] <daniels> should run absolutely fine on both
[06:28] <twisted_steel> jdub: I shall try it as soon as I get some free time
[06:28] <dukeku> \o/
[06:28] <jdub> twisted_steel: quite a few of the devel team have ibm laptops
[06:29] <twisted_steel> excellent to hear
[06:29] <jdub> twisted_steel: and one of our goals is 'totally rad' laptop support
[06:29] <jdub> back soon :)
[06:29] <twisted_steel> jdub: I have no problems with that at all
[06:29] <twisted_steel> :)
[06:30] <tory> the one thing that made me so happy was not having to tinker with crap like ALSA
[06:30] <dukeku> how's airport support on ppc?
[06:30] <dukeku> if it exists at all
[06:30] <whiprush> tory: oh god yes.
[06:31] <tory> airport works, airport express doesn't
[06:31] <dukeku> awesome i don't have that fancy crap
[06:31] <whiprush> sarge always loads my alsa and oss modules, so nothing works. ugh.
[06:31] <tory> whiprush: I posted in your ars thread (HELLO.JPG)
[06:31] <whiprush> tory: oh, heh.
[06:31] <jdub> whiprush: any cool ars stuff up about ubuntu yet?
[06:31] <whiprush> nope, for final
[06:32] <m_tthew> whiprush: I had that problem as well, for me it was discover vs. hotplug
[06:32] <whiprush> I'll do a full blown review 
[06:35] <xxor_> the internet album lookup tool if rythmbox is on crack
[06:35] <xxor_> hehe
[06:35] <xxor_> I tried looking up the info for a doors cd I had .. it came up with womens studies and the gold reserve
[06:35] <neighborlee> lol
[06:35] <xxor_> my buddy was like
[06:36] <xxor_> wtf are you lookin at 
[06:36] <tory> is there anywhere where I can file requests
[06:36] <tory> for crap like: make alt-tabbing prettier
[06:36] <xxor_> took me 10 minutes to figure out , where the pages had loaded from
[06:36] <schweeb> jdub: just the forum post we just did on ars
[06:36] <xxor_> ars ?
[06:36] <schweeb> jdub: btw, is there interest in forums for ubuntu?
[06:36] <schweeb> or is there talk of it
[06:37] <schweeb> xxor_: http://arstechnica.com
[06:37] <Hrdwr_BoB> there is talk of it
[06:37] <Hrdwr_BoB> need to decide on a platform
[06:37] <tory> I just hope they don't end up like the gentoo forums :P
[06:38] <tory> wutz ur cflagz?//??
[06:38] <tory> ----------------------------
[06:38] <tory> intl p4 2.4 @ 4Ghz w4t3rc00led / GeIl RaM - 2.5 GiGz / M$ Mouse
[06:38] <whiprush> heh
[06:39] <whiprush> you forgot the gcc3.4pre6cvs, love sources, ~86, GNOME 2.8.2
[06:39] <schweeb> *cough* funroll-loops.org
[06:39] <tory> schweeb: I love that 
[06:40] <xxor_> bleh .. sun is fucking lame
[06:41] <xxor_> they sold out openoffice which they base thier source for staroffice .. to microsoft
[06:45] <matthewjs> does anyone have a centrino laptop with suspend to disk/ram working?
[06:46] <dukeku> tory: GEIL RAM
[06:46] <_1oo7> " ja, fick mir bitt
[06:46] <_1oo7> e
[06:46] <schweeb> I couldn't get suspend working on my Dell i8200 (P4m)
[06:47] <schweeb> HEIL UBUNTU
[06:47] <tory> dukeku: duud those flashing lights mean that your RAM is working
[06:47] <highvoltage> I have a IBM T41
[06:47] <Parisi> Sony Vaio here.
[06:47] <dukeku> wtf i just bought this cold cathode an hour ago and gkrellm isnt showing the temp
[06:47] <Parisi> and linux support sucks on it
[06:47] <highvoltage> I made lots of tweaks but I can't remember what I did to make it work
[06:47] <matthewjs> i have a sony vaio z1
[06:47] <matthewjs> everything works
[06:47] <highvoltage> I think it was an append "acpi=off apm=on" to the kernel
[06:48] <highvoltage> in grub.conf
[06:48] <matthewjs> cept for suspend
[06:48] <tory> my only complaint about ubuntu is the name :(
[06:48] <Parisi> Its only A PIII 800
[06:48] <tory> I'll probably get used to it though
[06:48] <schweeb> I used to have suspend to ram working on Sid
[06:48] <highvoltage> hehe
[06:48] <Parisi> matlads what would be everything?
[06:48] <dukeku> my only complaint?
[06:48] <sub_pop> is there a ubuntu install FAQ?
[06:48] <dukeku> that i don't have another monitor
[06:48] <highvoltage> Where do you live tory?
[06:48] <dukeku> :(
[06:48] <dukeku> to run it on :((
[06:48] <schweeb> before I did an install to ubunti :-/
[06:48] <Parisi> Brigthness, suspend, speed step?
[06:48] <dukeku> so right now my unbuntu box is sitting in my closet
[06:48] <tory> I'd rather have the name be "Canonical Linux"
[06:48] <highvoltage> speed step worked out of the box for me :)
[06:48] <dukeku> tory: what about ubuttu?
[06:48] <tory> hehe
[06:49] <Parisi> hmm, speed step acts up on me.
[06:49] <matthewjs> ya brightness and speed step
[06:49] <Parisi> brightness?
[06:49] <Parisi> How?
[06:49] <matthewjs> radeontool
[06:49] <Parisi> How do you adjust it?
[06:49] <matthewjs> sonypi
[06:49] <Parisi> meh ;p
[06:49] <Parisi> hmm...
[06:49] <highvoltage> The only thing I didn't like about the ubuntu name, is that it's way overused in South Africa
[06:49] <matthewjs> you can set it up so the function keys work
[06:49] <Parisi> Dedtials on how you managed to get it working?
[06:49] <Parisi> Yes!
[06:49] <highvoltage> It's basically lost its meaning
[06:49] <matthewjs> to adjust the brightness and sound 
[06:49] <Parisi> fn keys would be sweet.
[06:50] <Parisi> matthewjs how did you manage it?
[06:50] <fabbione> morning guys
[06:51] <matthewjs> Parisi, http://graphics.cs.uni-sb.de/~rainer/linux-vaio.html
[06:52] <Parisi> you also running ubutu?
[06:52] <Parisi> is everything on that link?
[06:52] <sub_pop> or how about, what's ubuntu's default root password? i don't remember inputting it
[06:52] <plovs> anybody know where I can find mirrors of the apt-sources?
[06:53] <matthewjs> Parisi, im running ubuntu, its on that page or it links to a diff page
[06:53] <plovs> sub_pop, no root password, use sudo, works ok
[06:53] <matthewjs> sub_pop, sudo passwd root
[06:53] <Hrdwr_BoB> can we set that in the freaking topic
[06:53] <Hrdwr_BoB> biggest FAQ ever
[06:53] <matthewjs> ya thats the first thing i ran into,i was like wtf i never set a password for root
[06:53] <sub_pop> ohhhh
[06:54] <matthewjs> sudo would work for most ppl, but i need root im just so used to doing it that way
[06:54] <neighborlee> matthewjs, yeah I must admit doing sudo everytime is a bit of a pita <G>
[06:54] <plovs> matthewjs, sudo bash
[06:54] <plovs> and you're root :)
[06:55] <Hrdwr_BoB> sudo -s
[06:55] <matthewjs> plovs neato :0
[06:55] <Hrdwr_BoB> and you're root without being dodgy
[06:55] <neighborlee> Hrdwr_BoB, sweet thx 
[06:55] <matthewjs> su; password works fine for me :0
[06:59] <plovs> any apt-sources for multimedia, flash and java, yet? for the rest all works great
[07:00] <_1oo7> doing sudo every time is a matter of getting into the habit
[07:01] <ish> a good habit
[07:03] <ish> can the gnome desktop be configured to be almost mouseless?
[07:05] <jamesh> ish: it should be.  Sun invested quite a lot in accessibility support
[07:05] <jamesh> ish: and part of that is making the desktop accessible to people who can't use a mouse
[07:06] <whiprush> alt-f1, and alt-f2 will take you a long way
[07:06] <ish> ahh, just found the configuration menu for that...
[07:06] <ish> figure I'd give gnome a shot before start fvwm.
[07:08] <jamesh> ish: you can find some information about the keybindings at http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gap/
[07:11] <ish> one other thing (not really ubunto specific).. Is there WEP support in the kernel - the WEP on my card is extremely slow.
[07:21] <fabbione> daniels: ping
[07:22] <daniels> fabbione: pong
[07:22] <sladen> sniff
[07:24] <fabbione> daniels: what's the status for ati and wacom drivers?
[07:24] <fabbione> daniels: we need to get them tested if we want them for final
[07:25] <fabbione> daniels: also.. i am reading on the wacom site that we need updates to the kernel modules? is that correct?
[07:26] <punkass> is there something like smb4k for gnome
[07:28] <jdub> punkass: what's that do?
[07:28] <daniels> fabbione: yeah
[07:28] <daniels> fabbione: yep
[07:28] <jdub> schweeb: yeah, we'd like forums
[07:28] <punkass> its an pretty slick way of mounting shares
[07:28] <jdub> schweeb: but ideally, they'd work with our mailing lists too
[07:28] <punkass> it finds all shares on the network
[07:28] <daniels> fabbione: wacom is done, ati is about 80% completed (found a couple of bugs along the way), and yeah, i'll do the kernel update stuff
[07:28] <jdub> schweeb: so if you know some software that does nntp backend forums...
[07:28] <punkass> then u can just select them and it mounts them to a directory of your choice
[07:28] <jdub> punkass: tried the network places smb browsing in nautilus?
[07:28] <daniels> fabbione: i'll do the ati testing in the same way as you did nvidia
[07:29] <punkass> yeah..it works good..
[07:29] <punkass> but
[07:29] <fabbione> daniels: there is no need of the kernel stuff
[07:29] <punkass> say in rhythm box i wanna import a folder from a share
[07:29] <fabbione> daniels: it's only for kernel older than 2.6.2
[07:29] <daniels> fabbione: hrm, ok
[07:29] <fabbione> daniels: please send me the patches and i will build a full ubuntu19 to put on people
[07:29] <punkass> when i get the dialog box there is no "network" menu item
[07:30] <punkass> so i get browse to them
[07:30] <fabbione> one week testing and upload to the archive
[07:30] <punkass> get = cant
[07:30] <punkass> you understand what i mean?
[07:30] <fabbione> daniels: the nv driver still has the Xv problem but it's much better than the one we have now
[07:30] <fabbione> daniels: at least it works on some machine where the old one wasn't at all
[07:31] <daniels> fabbione: didn't manage to solve the blitter thing?
[07:31] <whiprush> punkass: if it's mounted it shows up in the bookmark section of the file selector when you want to import music in rhythmbox.
[07:31] <jdub> punkass: try hitting ctrl-l in the rhythmbox file selector and typing in smb://...
[07:32] <daniels> fabbione: what are your ubuntu19 changes so far? mine are just wacom and ati (with a couple of changes to the upstream ati driver)
[07:32] <fabbione> daniels: not yet. I am working with Overfiend for it
[07:32] <daniels> fabbione: cool
[07:33] <fabbione> daniels: nv driver and a fix for a possible FTBFS
[07:33] <fabbione> but i did the integration of the driver as i did it in debian. so it is not just one patch
[07:33] <fabbione> daniels: it is spreaded over the different pathces
[07:33] <ish> after starting an xterm from a gnome menu, I get the spinning pointer for about 10 seconds..
[07:33] <ish> any idea why?
[07:33] <dieman> heh
[07:34] <Hrdwr_BoB> ish, is your computer really slow?
[07:34] <Hrdwr_BoB> :)
[07:34] <punkass> whiprush: well i can go to the shared music folder in nautilus no prob, but i can not see it in the file selector of rhythmbox
[07:35] <ish> Hrdwr_BoB: 1.2ghz.
[07:35] <whiprush> oh I see, are you browsing it or is it mounted?
[07:35] <punkass> no just browsing...thats why i was asking about smb4k
[07:36] <punkass> for easy mounting
[07:36] <whiprush> punkass: go to file->connect to server in nautilus, choose "windows share" as service type, type in your info.
[07:36] <jdub> ish: and xterm or a gnome terminal?
[07:36] <whiprush> that'll mount it
[07:36] <ish> xterm
[07:36] <ish> added my own menu option...
[07:36] <jdub> ish: aha
[07:36] <ish> it doesn't prevent me from doing anything.. just odd.
[07:36] <whiprush> punkass: then all your gnome apps will have a cool little shortcut to it in the file selector.
[07:36] <jdub> ish: you need to remove the notification option out of the .desktop file
[07:36] <punkass> ah slick ok
[07:37] <whiprush> punkass: the cool thing is, you can do that with ftp, ssh, etc. etc.
[07:37] <punkass> oh oh..the panel and nautilus just stop working..doh
[07:38] <punkass> sweet.
[07:38] <m_tthew> whiprush: heh, with ssh? that is novel
[07:39] <m_tthew> whiprush: rsync?
[07:39] <ish> jdub: Do gnome apps notify the caller when loading is done or something?
[07:40] <punkass> hmm any thoughts why i dont get a nautilus window when i click home in the menu..i can see another instance of it start up..same when i click 'show desktop'
[07:40] <jdub> ish: yeah
[07:40] <punkass> but 'show desktop' doesnt do anything either
[07:41] <whiprush> m_tthew: don't think so with rsync.
[07:41] <whiprush> m_tthew: yeah, so like, you can open up one that is connected to ftp, one that is ssh, and drag and drop between them.
[07:41] <whiprush> it's one of my favorite things to show off to people who don't know alot about linux.
[07:43] <m_tthew> whiprush: I just did, that is very nice
[07:43] <m_tthew> whiprush: I hadn't used gnome until saturday :)
[07:43] <whiprush> oh, heh. welcome!
[07:43] <ficusplanet> Hey everyone.  I switched to Ubuntu last night, and I'm quite certain that in some situations, the fonts look worse than they did in Fedora.  Especially in The GIMP and epiphany/firefox.
[07:43] <ficusplanet> What could cause that?
[07:43] <m_tthew> this stuff makes me feel like a crusty old man emerging from a dark cave someplace on a mountain
[07:45] <whiprush> m_tthew: what did you use before?
[07:45] <m_tthew> blackbox and screen, mostly
[07:46] <punkass> whiprush: thanks for that...works like a charm..
[07:46] <whiprush> woo
[07:46] <punkass> that is really cool
[07:47] <jdub> :-)
[07:47] <punkass> hehe
[07:47] <punkass> did they have that in 2.6?
[07:47] <whiprush> the ftp one is clutch too, because IE's support is so horrid that in a demo people just laugh.
[07:47] <ish> any chance of getting hosed by pulling packets out of universe?
[07:48] <subterrific> wow
[07:49] <jsc> :)
[07:49] <punkass> omg i have an ssh bookmark of my work server...
[07:49] <punkass> that is sooo cool
[07:49] <whiprush> you can mount specific directories too
[07:49] <whiprush> like "web stuff" "home folder", etc. etc.
[07:49] <m_tthew> yeah I mounted my web space
[07:49] <punkass> lol..i am impressed
[07:49] <punkass> but ssh.. :)
[07:49] <punkass> cool.
[07:50] <npmccallum> mdz: all those cups bugs should be closeable, pending freeze break approval; patches are available in the bug reports
[07:51] <npmccallum> I'm headed to bed, night all!
[07:51] <ficusplanet> OK, now that I'm playing with it, it's really only the bold fonts that look bad.  What would cause that?
[07:52] <subterrific> punkass: how are you doing that?
[07:52] <subterrific> nautilus?
[07:52] <punkass> yeah
[07:52] <punkass> File > Connect to Server
[07:52] <subterrific> oh nice, i didn't know it supported that
[07:52] <subterrific> i knew Konquerer did that
[07:52] <punkass> konq does ssh too?
[07:52] <subterrific> yeah, sftp
[07:53] <whiprush> yeah, fish://hostname
[07:53] <subterrific> they call it something weird
[07:53] <subterrific> yeah fish
[07:53] <ficusplanet> subterrific: The "Connect to Server..." feature is awesome.  It is my FTP client, my laptop/desktop connection, filesharing network between friends.
[07:53] <punkass> cool..didnt know that
[07:53] <ficusplanet> It rocks.
[07:53] <punkass> it sure does.
[07:53] <subterrific> so i installed ubuntu today at work because my fedora core 1 machine died in an upgrade to core 2
[07:53] <subterrific> and i'm really impressed
[07:53] <_1oo7> remove the notification option out of the .desktop file <--- i looked in ~ and ~/Desktop, but where is the .desktop file?
[07:54] <subterrific> this is the closest a linux distro has come to being something i'd tell my mom to install
[07:54] <whiprush> a nice gui package manager and things will rule.
[07:54] <punkass> ok here is a silly question tho, other than the file dialog boxes how do i view the bookmarks
[07:54] <ficusplanet> whiprush: What's wrong with Synaptic?
[07:54] <_1oo7> .gconf/desktop ?
[07:55] <jsc> synaptic
[07:55] <punkass> you dont like synaptic?
[07:55] <jsc> in the computer menu
[07:55] <whiprush> ficusplanet: dunno, kinda not gnomey enough for me
[07:55] <subterrific> synaptic seems fine to me
[07:55] <ficusplanet> I like the recent improvements.  I agree that Red Carpet is nicer, though.
[07:56] <whiprush> I like how in rc the search is find as you type, and it's a search box right on the main UI
[07:56] <subterrific> oh that does sound nice
[07:56] <m_tthew> -jeffm rad
[07:56] <subterrific> i didn't really like how synaptic did searches
[07:56] <ficusplanet> And I like the channels stuff instead of repos, and the way it queues up the packages along the left.
[07:56] <jdub> ficusplanet: we will have a cooler add/remove app in Hoary
[07:56] <whiprush> yeah
[07:57] <subterrific> a search for a package isn't really something i think of as needing to be persistent
[07:57] <ficusplanet> jdub: Really That is great to here.
[07:57] <ficusplanet> *hear
[07:57] <jdub> and update notifier and stuff
[07:57] <whiprush> woo
[07:57] <jdub> heh, yeah
[07:57] <whiprush> I tried apt-watch with synaptic in sid for a while.
[07:57] <whiprush> it wasn't very polished.
[07:58] <ficusplanet> jdub: That sounds awesome.  I keep getting more and more reasons to like Ubuntu.  Are you guys looking into NetworkManager and netapplet?  I had a really tough time getting wireless working today.
[07:58] <punkass> so is red carpet novells..and open carpet the opensource version of it?
[07:58] <whiprush> the commercial one is part of zenworks now iirc.
[07:58] <jdub> ficusplanet: see HoaryHedgehog on the wiki :)
[07:58] <jdub> ficusplanet: we are very interested in NetworkManager
[07:58] <ficusplanet> jdub: Cool.  Thanks.
[07:59] <punkass> my boss wants a linux distro put on his laptop (Dell D600) I will put this distro on if its good for laptops.
[08:00] <whiprush> the d600 is very linux friendly, you should have no problem
[08:00] <punkass> cool thanks
[08:00] <whiprush> a friend of mine has ubuntu on it already
[08:00] <whiprush> the ati card is hw accelerated out of the box and everything
[08:00] <ficusplanet> jdub: Would you guys be interested in building a more robust community site?  Or are you wanting to direct support and discussion to the general GNOME community?  I've been considering working on a community site for a while - focusing on support, general info articles, package help, etc.
[08:00] <punkass> ok here is a silly question tho, other than the file dialog boxes how do i view the bookmarks
[08:00] <jdub> ficusplanet: we're in the process ;)
[08:01] <jdub> ficusplanet: definitely want forums and stuff
[08:01] <punkass> yeah some forums would be nice
[08:01] <jdub> ficusplanet: but we're looking for some forum software that will work with our mailing lists
[08:01] <jdub> ficusplanet: so if you konw anything that has an nntp backend...
[08:01] <whiprush> I've seen one before
[08:01] <whiprush> can't remember where.
[08:01] <whiprush> web front end to a mailing list, so it's transparent to users.
[08:02] <jdub> 'cos then we can turn on mailman's nntp stuff
[08:02] <ficusplanet> jdub: I'll look around a bit.  I'd love to help out.
[08:02] <jdub> ficusplanet: awesome, thanks!
[08:02] <pitti> Morning
[08:02] <ish> Is there thought put into the default Gnome key short-cuts?
[08:02] <ish> Or just more or less arbitrarily chosen.
[08:03] <ficusplanet> jdub: I've been wanting to contribute to something like this for a while, but haven't seen a good opportunity.
[08:03] <whiprush> jdub: btw I tested ubuntu with freenx today, works fine.
[08:03] <jdub> whiprush: we want to get NX in for Hoary too
[08:03] <jdub> whiprush: want to mail some info to -devel about what you've done?
[08:04] <whiprush> for freenx?
[08:04] <punkass> is freenx are replacement for vnc?
[08:04] <punkass> are = a
[08:04] <subterrific> jdub: you guys have done a fantastic job. congrats
[08:04] <whiprush> it can be yes.
[08:05] <jdub> subterrific: thanks! :-)
[08:05] <jdub> whiprush: yeha!
[08:05] <sladen> whiprush: yes and no.  Some of the recent patches allow reattaching in the same way as VNC
[08:05] <punkass> whiprush: am i able to view those bookmarks i made other than in a file dialog box?
[08:05] <whiprush> okey
[08:05] <subterrific> jdub: dunno if it means anything to you, but i've been a mac user since 87 and this is the first linux distro i feel can be compared to Mac OS in terms of easy of use and polish
[08:05] <jdub> whiprush: so dude
[08:05] <jdub> whiprush: at guadec in norway
[08:05] <jdub> whiprush: HP sent a bunch of thin clients with NX support
[08:05] <whiprush> punkass: in your "network" icon in the menu
[08:05] <ish> Yeah.. Feels good so far..  Installed over my mandrake..
[08:06] <jdub> whiprush: and a four way HT xeon server with 16GB ram
[08:06] <jdub> whiprush: it was *incredible*
[08:06] <whiprush> sladen: like screen for X, that rules.
[08:06] <punkass> oh haha doh... thanks
[08:06] <whiprush> jdub: heh.
[08:06] <whiprush> I use nx on my laptop so I can use my desktop over wifi. You can't even tell it's remote.
[08:07] <punkass> jdub: 16Gigs o ram..thats crazy.  I just set up some thinclient at work using ltsp but my server is only a 2ghz with 1g o ram
[08:07] <jdub> oh, it was using gige network too
[08:07] <jdub> you could watch videos reasonably well
[08:07] <subterrific> wow
[08:07] <whiprush> the ltsp guy is local to me, he says he already has a guy working on it.
[08:07] <subterrific> i need to try nx
[08:08] <whiprush> to put nx in ltsp I mean
[08:08] <punkass> yeah..i overheard them talkin about it in irc
[08:08] <punkass> well i guess i didnt over"hear" them :)
[08:08] <whiprush> hey alextreme 
[08:08] <alextreme> morning
[08:09] <jdub> Kamion: heard of any more usb cd install probs, specifically finding the cd device?
[08:09] <whiprush> heh, still can't believe how polished this first release is.
[08:09] <subterrific> me either
[08:10] <whiprush> "Whoops, we smoked every distro on our first preview release."
[08:10] <punkass> what do you guys use for a text editor..coding etc.. i use Editplus on windows at work...
[08:10] <jdub> hey alextreme 
[08:10] <punkass> yeah i have to give this distro 4 thumbs up
[08:10] <jdub> punkass: a lot of people who like editplus like gedit
[08:10] <subterrific> i couldn't believe it when i opened an excel document and printed it to our office printer 15 minutes after the first boot
[08:11] <punkass> oh yeah?
[08:11] <punkass> hmm ill take a look
[08:11] <alextreme> jdub: gday, how're things down under tonight? :)
[08:11] <subterrific> printing is something that has never worked right for me
[08:11] <subterrific> its the ultimate pita
[08:11] <jdub> subterrific: heh
[08:11] <subterrific> and it just worked
[08:11] <jdub> i only recently got a printer
[08:11] <jdub> pretty rad
[08:12] <subterrific> tomorrow is gonna be the real test though
[08:12] <whiprush> to me the power management and other laptop support is the biggest ++ so far for me.
[08:12] <whiprush> I mean, the battery applet, the cpufreq applet
[08:13] <jdub> whiprush: we smoked 'em? nice ;)
[08:13] <whiprush> god, that used to take so frigging long to get right by hand
[08:13] <punkass> am i able to put icons on the desktop like the trash bin?
[08:13] <subterrific> if i can get my dev environment setup, then i won't shut up about how awesome ubuntu is until people start hitting me with staplers at the office
[08:13] <jdub> alextreme: very afternoony ;)
[08:13] <punkass> lol
[08:13] <Hrdwr_BoB> jdub, I wanted a printer, and then I (no shit) found one that fell off the back of a truck
[08:13] <jdub> punkass: if you go into 'configuration editor' under applications > system tools
[08:13] <jdub> punkass: navigate to /apps/nautilus/desktop
[08:13] <jdub> punkass: you can turn them on again
[08:13] <Hrdwr_BoB> unfortuantely it was a lexmark, so is technically worth less than nothing
[08:13] <jdub> punkass: but try for a while without them :)
[08:14] <jdub> Hrdwr_BoB: i have a rad networked lexmark :)
[08:14] <punkass> ok ill give it a go..
[08:14] <whiprush> lol, vrms is in universe.
[08:14] <punkass> ;) i am used to a messy icon explosion of a desktop
[08:14] <Hrdwr_BoB> jdub, I have  terrible heap of shit winprinter :)
[08:14] <punkass> i have a "we are canon and we hate linux" printer
[08:15] <punkass> tho i did find some drivers for it hidden on a japanese site
[08:15] <whiprush> hmmm, ipod isn't automounting
[08:15] <sladen> whiprush: firewire or USB?
[08:16] <whiprush> neither works
[08:16] <Hrdwr_BoB> if I get excited I will buy a networked postscript printer off ebay
[08:16] <ultrafunk> has anyone successfully installed the preview ISO from a USB CDR (specifically, a LiteOn drive)?
[08:17] <subterrific> jdub: know of anyone installing oracle on ubuntu?
[08:17] <subterrific> i don't actually have to run oracle, just have the client libraries installed
[08:17] <jdub> subterrific: not so far
[08:19] <whiprush> got skype running in ubuntu also.
[08:20] <subterrific> oh, i had one issue. in the time and date settings config, i wanted to turn on ntp
[08:20] <Mithrandir> isn't it on by default?
[08:20] <jdub> Mithrandir: no, only ntpdate
[08:20] <subterrific> but it gives me an error saying the system isn't setup for ntp or something, and it isn't very clear how i'd go about doing that
[08:20] <Mithrandir> jdub: ook
[08:20] <jdub> subterrific: apt-get install ntp-simple
[08:21] <jdub> subterrific: we have a 'no listening services' policy by default
[08:21] <jdub> subterrific: unfortunately, ntp has to
[08:21] <subterrific> k, that might be something good to add to the help or something
[08:21] <subterrific> yeah, ntp is poorly designed
[08:21] <jdub> hopefully in the future, it can give you the option to install it or something
[08:22] <subterrific> or maybe it could be installed but not running, and give you the option to run it
[08:22] <punkass> hmmm my canon printer drivers arnt showing up
[08:23] <punkass> even tho when i browse for ppd can select them it says they are already installed
[08:23] <subterrific> or maybe just having that option use ntpdate instead.
[08:23] <whiprush> wow, response from my friends and people I know about ubuntu has been awesome.
[08:23] <whiprush> I think 6 of us just cold dropped sid today alone.
[08:24] <_1oo7> no listening service by default policy is something i can dig, just as long as i realize that's the policy <G>
[08:25] <ish> Is it expected that the ubuntu (like the name btw) dev. branch will be as stable as debian-unstable
[08:26] <jdub> ish: probably more stable
[08:26] <jdub> ish: but it will include development versions of gnome
[08:27] <jdub> ish: but those are designed for dogfooding anyway :)
[08:27] <ish> I'm giving gnome a few days.. Will probably go back to fvwm tho...
[08:27] <jdub> oldskool ;)
[08:27] <ish> Did Debian-unstable for years...
[08:27] <bl> ha!
[08:27] <jdub> hey reformed 
[08:27] <reformed> hey hey
[08:28] <jdub> reformed: got time for a call?
[08:28] <reformed> for sure
[08:28] <jdub> ping me a landline # :)
[08:28] <reformed> I don't know what it is...
[08:28] <whiprush> any plans for a FF skin for ubuntu? or keeping upstream?
[08:28] <jdub> ff?
[08:29] <khalek> jdub: can't use http://www.openntpd.org instead? Some debian people were making noises about packaging it
[08:29] <whiprush> firefox
[08:29] <jdub> oh
[08:29] <reformed> I'm heading to the Andrea Bocelli gig later tonight, ya me.
[08:29] <jdub> actually, no plans
[08:29] <jdub> but there's a theme that uses the gnome stock icons
[08:29] <jdub> which we could probably fold in
[08:29] <jdub> so it will use ours
[08:31] <punkass> hmmm.. i want my canon drivers
[08:31] <whiprush> bed time for me gents, nite nite.
[08:32] <punkass> i remember this happening with gnome before..i had to use the kde print wizard thing to see them
[08:32] <plovs> are usb-keys supposed to be automatic? if so then it doesn't work, if not then all is ok :)
[08:32] <punkass> nite whiprush..thanks for your help
[08:32] <subterrific> plovs: i think they should be
[08:32] <subterrific> check dmesg maybe?
[08:33] <subterrific> actually i seem to remember something about 2.6.8 series having usb storage problems, but that could have been gentoo specific
[08:34] <subterrific> nice, http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=ntpd.conf&sektion=5&arch=&apropos=0&manpath=OpenBSD+Current
[08:34] <subterrific> "ntpd(8) does not
[08:34] <subterrific>              listen on any address by default"
[08:36] <ficusplanet> What exactly would "usplash with D-BUS notification" be?
[08:36] <mdz> ficusplanet: very slick graphical boot process
[08:36] <ficusplanet> Oh, awesome.
[08:36] <plovs> subterrific, dmesg shows it ok, I *could* just add it myself to fstab, but that's the whole point off automagic
[08:36] <mdz> jdub: is there any way to get the _full_ subscription list through the mailman web interface?
[08:37] <jdub> mdz: not without paging
[08:37] <jdub> mdz: do you want a list?
[08:37] <mdz> that blows
[08:37] <mdz> jdub: yeah, for ubuntu-devel
[08:37] <jdub> ok
[08:37] <mdz> want to check that folks are subscribed before I start doing work there
[08:37] <subterrific> plovs: yeah it should definitely auto mount
[08:37] <subterrific> thats the point of gnome-volume-manager
[08:38] <subterrific> see if it shows up in HAL
[08:38] <plovs> subterrific, how do I do that
[08:38] <subterrific> its in the system config menu, hardware devices or something
[08:39] <plovs> ok
[08:39] <subterrific> i'm not in front of a ubuntu system, and i only used it for about an hour ;)
[08:39] <ficusplanet> Wow, with all the stuff you guys have planned, I can't wait for March 14th.
[08:39] <LoneTechU> well, so far so good. ubuntu actually installed, though it set up sudo rather than a root password, and gave the X server an impossible config.
[08:40] <ficusplanet> LoneTechU: sudo is deliberate and good.
[08:40] <Hrdwr_BoB> LoneTechU, sudo setup is NOTABUG
[08:40] <plovs> subterrific, yes my usb-key shows up in the device manager
[08:40] <LoneTechU> ficus: yes, I agree.
[08:41] <subterrific> plovs: so i'm guessing that somehow the message got lost from hal->dbus->gnome-volume-manager
[08:41] <LoneTechU> just surprising, but a Good Thing - means less new users running as root from habit.
[08:41] <subterrific> not sure what log file you'd check for a related error
[08:42] <ish> is it possible to get gnome-terminal to use the standard X 7x14 font?
[08:43] <LoneTechU> more significant, perhaps, is that APM support has not been set up. if laptop-detect works the way I think, that also failed.
[08:43] <subterrific> ish: does it show up in the font dialog?
[08:43] <plovs> subterrific, I'll dig around se what I can find
[08:43] <justin_linuxppc> hi all, has anyone got a ppp/dial-up connection working? if so how?
[08:44] <ish> subterrific: maybe.. don't know its full name tho.. flipping thru the fonts tho.
[08:44] <ish> LoneTechU: APM isn't enabled on my laptop install either.
[08:44] <LoneTechU> nor mentioned in laptop-detect
[08:45] <LoneTechU> it should probably try to load the apm module if acpi fails.
[08:45] <ficusplanet> justin_linuxppc: You've tried the network configuration tool, right?
[08:46] <_1oo7> " maybe an afterboot(8) style manpage, or a little heads up in the first time you login as the user you created in the install... like "hello.  since you made this user during the install, it is configured in /etc/sudoers.  to set the root password 'sudo passwd'" or something similar
[08:46] <justin_linuxppc> ficus: yep
[08:46] <_1oo7> it might be asked incessantly unless it yells at ppl initially
[08:47] <ficusplanet> Did it not detect the modem?
[08:47] <LoneTechU> why does the X config load both freetype and xtt?
[08:47] <plovs> subterrific, fstab-update.sh is not adding my usb-key to fstab
[08:47] <justin_linuxppc> ficus: the config tool is a front for wvdial and wvdials not availabel for ubuntu so the config tool not to useful for ppp
[08:48] <justin_linuxppc> ficus: so no it didnt detect it
[08:48] <subterrific> plovs: sorry can't help much without having ubuntu installed
[08:48] <jdub> hmmm
[08:48] <ficusplanet> wvdial shows up when I search in synaptic.  enable the universe repos and it should show up.
[08:49] <jdub> think we need to work on the firefox defaults a bit
[08:49] <jdub> yucky fonts and so on
[08:49] <plovs> subterrific, bad boy! :) you should give it a try quite a nice distro
[08:49] <ficusplanet> jdub: Yeah, that's been bugging me.
[08:49] <subterrific> plovs: i did, i installed it at work
[08:49] <ficusplanet> It's the same in epiphany.
[08:49] <subterrific> plovs: i use gentoo at home though
[08:50] <subterrific> jdub: yeah, i was surprised you guys didn't have freetype rendering turned on in firefox by default
[08:50] <jdub> ficusplanet: yeah
[08:50] <scapegoat> hey, how do i install divx/xvid codecs into ubuntu?
[08:50] <plovs> subterrific, ok, you're forgiven, now I go back to my usb-key
[08:50] <justin_linuxppc> ficus: will give that a go; thanks
[08:50] <LoneTechU> scapegoat: you probably want to stick to ffmpeg, which I believe would be included in vlc and xine.
[08:50] <ficusplanet> scapegoat: I installed totem-xine from universe.  With that, you can also drop propietary plugins in.
[08:50] <scapegoat> alrighty
[08:51] <jdub> ficusplanet: do you think size 14 is a good default, for proportional fonts?
[08:51] <jdub> hrm, i have 12 on my laptop
[08:51] <Hrdwr_BoB> jdub, 14C is good
[08:51] <ficusplanet> I think 14 is good.
[08:51] <scapegoat> LoneTechU, cant find the ffmpeg. i did the totem apt-get and it just wont play any divx/xvid :/
[08:51] <subterrific> does ubuntu have an ffmpeg package?
[08:51] <subterrific> i didn't see one
[08:52] <ficusplanet> scapegoat: You need to use totem-xine, instead of the gstreamer backend.
[08:52] <LoneTechU> it is normally built statically.. the players just use libavcodec from within ffmpeg
[08:52] <ficusplanet> At least that helped me.
[08:52] <subterrific> i need it though, i use ffmpeg in an app at work for audio decoding. i was going to use the lack of ffmpeg on ubuntu as an excuse to try gstreamer though
[08:52] <scapegoat> ficusplanet, and how would i go about changing that?
[08:52] <ficusplanet> Enable the universe repos in synaptic, search for totem.  Install totem-xine.
[08:53] <scapegoat> i don't see a 'universe repos' in synaptics
[08:54] <Mithrandir> scapegoat: add it to the end of the line with "warty" in it in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:54] <ficusplanet> Or just go to preferences>>Repositories and check the repos that have the word universe under sections.
[08:54] <scapegoat> all the lines have warty in it
[08:55] <Mithrandir> ficusplanet: ok, I don't use synaptic. :)
[08:55] <scapegoat> alright ficus
[08:55] <ficusplanet> After you've selected them, click refresh, then search.
[08:58] <scapegoat> that you ficusplanet, i never knew ficus would be so useful :)
[08:58] <ficusplanet> Glad I could help.
[08:59] <LoneTech> okay, I suppose maybe the freetype module does not work and that might explain the ugly fonts.. but who chose white on bright orange?
[09:00] <LoneTech> or for that matter, bright orange on bright orange, as the gnome startup progress messages were.
[09:03] <mdz> jdub: can you send me that subscription list?
[09:03] <jdub> mdz: i did
[09:03] <jdub> mdz: mailed it from rince
[09:03] <mdz> jdub: never arrived
[09:03] <mdz> though many other things did in the interim
[09:04] <mdz> jdub: subject: ?
[09:04] <jdub> ubuntu-devel members
[09:04] <mdz> mizar:[~]  grep -i 'subject.*members' ~/mail/procmail.log
[09:04] <mdz> zsh: exit 1     grep -i 'subject.*members' ~/mail/procmail.log
[09:05] <mdz> dude, it never got here
[09:05] <jdub> i've sent it to myself
[09:05] <jdub> will forward or resolve the problem
[09:05] <mdz> forward me that copy :-)
[09:05] <mdz> thanks
[09:05] <jdub> you will get it soon, etc.
[09:05] <punkass> stupid canon drivers
[09:05] <jdub> right, in and sent
[09:06] <punkass> for some reason kde print wizard can see them...but the gnome one cant
[09:09] <mdz> jdub: arrived
[09:12] <roofy> hey guys
[09:14] <roofy> anyone in here?
[09:14] <LoneTechU> yes
[09:14] <roofy> cool
[09:15] <roofy> im downloading unbuntu as we speak, im eager to try this out
[09:15] <roofy> though im not clear what the selling point is, it just seems like "yet another linux distro"
[09:15] <roofy> is just easy debian?
[09:16] <Tomcat_> Easier.
[09:16] <LoneTechU> it is debian, basically, but more for the common user.
[09:16] <roofy> i see
[09:16] <roofy> yea debian is probably the only distro i havent tried ever....
[09:16] <punkass> its pretty slick
[09:16] <roofy> i can even install frickin aix
[09:16] <Tomcat_> I call Ubuntu a "it just works" distro.
[09:16] <Tomcat_> But still gives you lots of opportunities.
[09:16] <roofy> but i could never get debian installed
[09:17] <Tomcat_> Why not?
[09:17] <roofy> i see, what does unbuntu have over, suse or fedora?
[09:17] <Tomcat_> Ubuntu is a community-based distro, unlike SuSE or Fedora.
[09:17] <punkass> its debian based :)
[09:17] <ficusplanet> Better GNOME.
[09:17] <Tomcat_> Apart from that... it is debian based.
[09:17] <ultrafunk> roofy: it's smaller, for one :)
[09:17] <roofy> fedora is a community based project...
[09:18] <roofy> that i like :)
[09:18] <Tomcat_> Oh... didn't know that.
[09:19] <ficusplanet> Fedora messes up GNOME in many ways, though.  Absolutely no way to enable menu editing in FC2.  Dumb panel layout by default.  Configuration tools that aren't community supported and not HIGified.
[09:19] <Tomcat_> Well, the point "debian based" beats everything else anyway. :)
[09:19] <roofy> ficusplanet: that i agree with
[09:19] <roofy> but still what if i prefer kde?
[09:19] <LoneTechU> not encouraging abuse of root is a nice touch.
[09:19] <ish> I'm kinda hoping ubuntu is free of some of the politic issues that bug down debian (or have bogged it down in the past)
[09:19] <ficusplanet> roofy: Don't use ubuntu if you like KDE.
[09:20] <roofy> why not?
[09:20] <Tomcat_> I like KDE...
[09:20] <Tomcat_> I still use Ubuntu.
[09:20] <Tomcat_> I'd rather say: "Don't use Ubuntu if you dislike Gnome" :)
[09:20] <roofy> dont get me wrong, i love gnome, but then again i used fedora-ish gnome
[09:20] <roofy> gnome is just FAST
[09:20] <jdub> if you want a distro that includes KDE, you won't too interested in Ubuntu *just yet*
[09:20] <roofy> but there are some things i dont like about it
[09:21] <LoneTechU> I beg to differ, but I suppose it may seem fast compared to windows or kde
[09:21] <roofy> such as gtk
[09:21] <subterrific> fedora is yuck
[09:21] <ficusplanet> What do you dislike about GTK?
[09:21] <roofy> i prefer qt over gtk anyday
[09:21] <roofy> its really hard to skin
[09:21] <roofy> and i cant stand the save/open dialogs
[09:21] <roofy> the kde/qt ones are much more intuitive
[09:22] <LoneTechU> erm, no. familiar is the word.
[09:22] <ficusplanet> I love the GTK 2.4 filechooser.
[09:22] <LoneTechU> the only intuitive user interface is the nipple.
[09:22] <roofy> w.e it is i cant stand it
[09:22] <roofy> its too simple
[09:22] <_1oo7> keyboard's pretty easy to figure out too
[09:24] <roofy> does debian/unbuntu use kudzu or a kudzu like system?
[09:24] <LoneTechU> I think discover and hotplug and hal take those jobs, basically?
[09:24] <jdub> roofy: hotplug
[09:25] <roofy> i see
[09:25] <jdub> roofy: no kudzu or discover (though discover is used briefly in the installer)
[09:25] <LoneTechU> btw, nice touch with ifrename.
[09:25] <roofy> im just curious whether it works as good or better than kudzu
[09:25] <jdub> roofy: as good, if not better.
[09:25] <roofy> i used hotplug briefly when i was with gentoo
[09:26] <roofy> does it use its own apt repo, or are the debian apt ones compatible?
[09:26] <ficusplanet> jdub: How are the X settings configured from the start.  Setting up Ubuntu on my friend's laptop today, I could only get 640x480 until I manually edited the refresh rates to match his SXGA screen.
[09:27] <jdub> roofy: it's own; see the FAQ on wiki.ubuntu.com
[09:27] <roofy> eesh
[09:27] <jdub> ficusplanet: did you install from the preview cd?
[09:27] <ficusplanet> Yeah.
[09:27] <jdub> ficusplanet: that might have been an annoying bug we fixed after the cd was done
[09:27] <jdub> ficusplanet: try upgrading and running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[09:27] <subterrific> roofy: gtk is much easier to skin than kde. just look at the number of gtk/metacity skins compared to kde 3 skins
[09:28] <ficusplanet> jdub: Sounds good.  I'll test again with the final.  Otherwise, he was very happy with the switch from Fedora.
[09:28] <LoneTechU> I would guess it tries to use EDID (DDC) data, which is often missing on laptops.
[09:28] <_1oo7> i had success with the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 for the same reasons ( wondering how things were configured )
[09:28] <jdub> LoneTechU: but we do rad things to make laptop display detectino work too :)
[09:28] <subterrific> skinning kde requires writing c++ code, which is insane
[09:28] <LoneTechU> jdub: unfortunately not including detecting APM.
[09:29] <jdub> LoneTechU: apm is not a display ;)
[09:29] <LoneTechU> this machine is rather exotic..
[09:29] <roofy> subterrific: all i know is that i can make kde looks sexier than gnome, any day of the week
[09:29] <LoneTechU> no, just a vital laptop feature.
[09:29] <jdub> LoneTechU: we have not ceoncentrated very hard on apm; it should work, but we've done more work on acpi
[09:29] <ish> is sexy useful?
[09:29] <subterrific> roofy: i doubt it
[09:29] <roofy> to me it is
[09:29] <mdz> jdub: hmm, the email from rince arrived now
[09:29] <LoneTechU> it left this laptop with an X config attempting a depth unsupported by the video chip and ignoring the pointing device completely
[09:29] <subterrific> plastik is the only decent kde skin
[09:30] <jdub> let's not do the kde vs. gnome thing guys :)
[09:30] <roofy> thats what i use
[09:30] <roofy> i think they are both great
[09:30] <LoneTechU> jdub: it does work, when loaded. the installer does not try
[09:30] <roofy> each have thier own features
[09:30] <jdub> LoneTechU: or, did not fall back correctly on your machine :)
[09:30] <subterrific> roofy: have you tried gnome lately? there are about 20 skins just a good if not better than plastik
[09:30] <jdub> LoneTechU: bug reports on that would be really good
[09:31] <jdub> subterrific: dude, let's not do the gnome/kde thing :)
[09:31] <subterrific> jdub: its friendly, i use both
[09:31] <ish> In the gnome startup sequence.. Does something start for pretty fonts?
[09:31] <subterrific> hehe
[09:31] <LoneTechU> this machine is rather exotic
[09:31] <ish> gnome apps running under fvwm don't look so hot.
[09:31] <jdub> ish: you need to run gnome-settings-daemon
[09:31] <roofy> * under fvwm dont look so hot
[09:32] <ficusplanet> ha
[09:32] <ish> jdub: awesome.. thanks.
[09:33] <LoneTechU> where is it supposed to fall back to apm? it is a module, so must be loaded
[09:35] <Tomcat_> Short question, since I'm on Windows right now... is there an easy way to change the hardware clock behavior in Ubuntu?
[09:35] <roofy> anyone run ubuntu on vmware?
[09:35] <Tomcat_> Like... NOT in /etc/default/rcS?
[09:35] <_1oo7> i could test on bochs if anyone cares
[09:35] <punkass> if i make a bunch of symlinks in usr/lib is there a command i have to run to register them
[09:36] <roofy> ldconfig
[09:36] <_1oo7> but i would think that is more bochs testing than ubuntu testing,... so..
[09:36] <punkass> thanks
[09:36] <jdub> _1oo7: it works well under qemu, but slowly ;)
[09:37] <Tomcat_> Nobody in Ubuntu who has a few seconds of time?
[09:37] <punkass> man these canon drivers are evil
[09:37] <LoneTechU> tomcat: I can look around
[09:38] <_1oo7> jdub ; i was very excited to try bochs on a new PC i bought for the pipe dream of running windows on it and thus being able to rip win98 off my wife's laptop; but i lost my thunder after seeing how !quick bochs ran.  qemu is quicker, but is focused on emulating a linux, rather than a 386, right?
[09:38] <Tomcat_> LoneTechU: Just check the settings menus if there's a way to set the clock, and if there is, if you can set the hardware clock to UTC or local time zone.
[09:38] <subterrific> jdub: qemu emulating x86 on x86 machine?
[09:38] <_1oo7> ( bochs being the win98 replacement running overtop of !windows, that is )
[09:38] <roofy> _1oo7: quick win4lin vs bochs
[09:38] <jdub> Tomcat_: no, there isn't
[09:38] <jdub> subterrific: yeah
[09:38] <Tomcat_> Okay, thanks.
[09:38] <punkass> there is a check box that says "Use UTC"
[09:38] <jdub> subterrific: not sure if anyone's done x86 ubuntu on ppc ;)
[09:38] <_1oo7> roofy : ?, meaning win4lin is faster than bochs?
[09:39] <roofy> _1oo7: whats better for emulating windows on top of linux, win4lin or bochs
[09:39] <_1oo7> oh, i dunno
[09:39] <_1oo7> never have run win4lin
[09:39] <LoneTechU> tomcat_: the date and time dialogue offers network sync and time zone settings, but does not mention if the hardware runs local time
[09:39] <roofy> oh
[09:39] <roofy> anyone use yoper?
[09:39] <LoneTechU> UTC=yes in default/rcS
[09:40] <subterrific> i'd guess that anything is faster than bochs
[09:40] <Tomcat_> LoneTechU: Yeah that's my point... I'm dual-booting, and Ubuntu fucked my hardware clock by setting it to UTC. :)
[09:40] <_1oo7> i found bochs to be not be as fast as i was expecting, by a dreamcrushing order of magnitude, so, if win4lin is only a bad-day order of magnitude, i suppose that is a plus
[09:40] <roofy> lol
[09:40] <subterrific> its got to be the slowest emulation software ever
[09:40] <Tomcat_> LoneTechU: I know how to change it but I'll file a bug report for this...
[09:40] <roofy> well when i tried out win4lin
[09:40] <LoneTechU> k
[09:40] <_1oo7> i guess it's very busy... ? <shrug>
[09:40] <roofy> it ran faster emulated on linux than it did natively lol
[09:41] <roofy> its purely 2d you cant run 3d stuff on it
[09:41] <_1oo7> my intent was for IE and wordperfect, not much more elaborate than that
[09:41] <LoneTechU> roofy: it does not emulate the whole cpu. win4lin is like wabi, mostly a loader.
[09:42] <LoneTechU> it is a bit like running wine with a windows install and all dlls set to native
[09:42] <roofy> yea its not meant to run anything other than win98 lol
[09:43] <ficusplanet> A little off topic, but have any of you tried pearpc?  It is quite impressive.
[09:43] <LoneTechU> or was that some other word? maybe native was looking for .so libs?
[09:43] <roofy> ficusplanet: isnt that the ppc emulator that they got os x running on?
[09:43] <matlads> has anyone had good reports about running ubuntu in vmware?
[09:43] <ficusplanet> roofy: Yeah.  It runs pretty well.
[09:44] <ficusplanet> I have panther on here right now to test pages in Safari/IE Mac.
[09:44] <punkass> is there any other apps i can try to load my canon printer drivers?
[09:44] <subterrific> ficusplanet: i heard the latest qemu cvs is even faster than pearpc
[09:44] <punkass> the gnome 'wizard' isnt seeing them
[09:44] <ficusplanet> subterrific: Wow, that would be quite impressive.
[09:44] <roofy> ficusplanet: i would imagine that would be EXTREMELY slow, since your emulating a completely different architecture, or no?
[09:44] <LoneTechU> punkass: that should be left to cups, right? I think it has a web interface, try http://localhost:631 or something
[09:45] <punkass> yeah i went there and it says "sorry this is locked out, use the wizard"
[09:45] <LoneTechU> oh
[09:45] <punkass> i was hopin there was a command line tool or soemthing like redhead-config-printer
[09:45] <Hrdwr_BoB> redheads?
[09:45] <punkass> lol redhead... er redhat
[09:45] <Hrdwr_BoB> where do I sign up?
[09:45] <Hrdwr_BoB> punkass, somethign on your mind?
[09:45] <elmaya> is there a list with all the packages contents in ubuntu?
[09:45] <punkass> ill never tell
[09:46] <roofy> time to load unbuntu
[09:46] <roofy> ubuntu*
[09:46] <roofy> anyone know the origin of the name?
[09:46] <ficusplanet> zulu word
[09:46] <roofy> for
[09:46] <ficusplanet> means "a person is a person through other people" or something like that.
[09:47] <jdub> roofy: see the faq on the wiki :)
[09:47] <roofy> i would love to read a faq but i cant find it
[09:47] <roofy> the wiki is being slow
[09:47] <ficusplanet> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/
[09:47] <will|werk> hey all
[09:47] <will|werk> there is a problem with installing on machines with a dual DVI nvidia card as the only graphics
[09:47] <roofy> finally thank you!
[09:48] <ficusplanet> No problem.
[09:48] <will|werk> x can't ever find any displays, so fails to start
[09:48] <LoneTechU> why are maximize and demaximize different keys?
[09:48] <roofy> wow this doenst have a root account at all?
[09:48] <ficusplanet> Nope.
[09:48] <will|werk> presumably it is looking for an analoge display?
[09:48] <roofy> so hows uid 0
[09:48] <LoneTechU> roofy: it does, but the suggested means of using it is sudo as necessary.
[09:48] <roofy> whos*
[09:48] <roofy> ah i see
[09:49] <roofy> thats a good way to enforce best practices :P
[09:49] <LoneTechU> login as root is normally disabled
[09:57] <Gvre> hi all. how ubuntu handling security updates? is it taking from debian repos or ubuntu developers are patching the source code?
[09:59] <ficusplanet> It's Ubuntu's own repositories.
[09:59] <roofy> so the devs compile each package specifically for ubuntu
[09:59] <ficusplanet> Yes.
[10:00] <roofy> about how many packages does the repo have?
[10:00] <sladen> Gvre: I think Canonical employ most of the Debian security-team...
[10:00] <ficusplanet> 12981
[10:01] <roofy> damn how long has this project been around?
[10:01] <Gvre> i' m asking this because debian developers are patching stable first and then sarge and sid
[10:01] <ficusplanet> I don't know.  I just learned of it yesterday.
[10:02] <roofy> so what default kernel is it 2.6 i hope
[10:02] <jdub> roofy: 2000ish supported, over 10000 in universe
[10:02] <jdub> roofy: 2.6.8.1
[10:02] <ficusplanet> 2.6.8.1
[10:02] <roofy> :D
[10:03] <ficusplanet> jdub: How would someone go about getting a package/suggesting a package for inclusion in universe?
[10:03] <jdub> ficusplanet: post to -users
[10:04] <ficusplanet> OK
[10:04] <mdz> jdub: most of the good FAQ stuff is moved into plone now; the wiki only has recent additions
[10:05] <will|werk> whats a precompiled kernel interface thing
[10:05] <will|werk> and is it included with ubuntu?
[10:06] <will|werk> i want to install the official nvidia driver
[10:06] <roofy> www.nvidia.com
[10:06] <roofy> download the driver and run it
[10:06] <Gvre> is ubuntu like debian stable, sarge or sid ?
[10:06] <will|werk> yeah i have the driver
[10:06] <roofy> so run it
[10:06] <ficusplanet> Gvre: sid
[10:06] <roofy> in sudo
[10:07] <will|werk> i tried
[10:07] <will|werk> it can't find a precompiled kernel interface module or some
[10:07] <will|werk> thing
[10:07] <roofy> yes, so itll compile one 
[10:07] <will|werk> right
[10:07] <roofy> when it cant find it
[10:07] <roofy> and then your set
[10:07] <LoneTech> you'll need the compiler and kernel headers..
[10:07] <roofy> edit your X
[10:07] <will|werk> cool
[10:07] <LoneTech> on my ubuntu install, they weren't installed by default.
[10:07] <roofy> well yea you need the kernel-source installed
[10:07] <beezly> will|werk: why not use the ubuntu nvidia-glx?
[10:07] <will|werk> beezly: it doesn't like my dual-dvi card
[10:07] <will|werk> x fails to start
[10:08] <beezly> will|werk: no, the nvidia-glx, not the xfree86 nv driver
[10:08] <roofy> beezly: i havent used the nvidia-glx, but i assume thats an open source driver not provided by nvidia?
[10:08] <beezly> nope
[10:08] <beezly> it's the nvidia driver
[10:08] <roofy> is it just the nvidia driver wrapped
[10:08] <beezly> yep
[10:08] <beezly> so you don't have to compile
[10:08] <roofy> oh ok :)
[10:08] <beezly> it's *all* pre-compiled if you have a ubuntu kernel
[10:08] <beezly> will|werk: what is your cpu?
[10:09] <seb128> morning
[10:09] <will|werk> athlonXP
[10:09] <beezly> ok do this...
[10:09] <clee> so is there any generic developer target I can install so that I get gcc and binutils and stuff?
[10:09] <will|werk> (i'm at work now, so i can't try this out at the mo, i'll save a log for when i get home)
[10:09] <LoneTech> build-essential?
[10:09] <beezly> sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.8.1-2-k7 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-2-k7 nvidia-glx
[10:09] <pitti> seb128: Good morning!
[10:09] <seb128> hello pitti 
[10:09] <clee> LoneTech: rock, perfect
[10:10] <will|werk> beezly: thanks very much :)
[10:10] <beezly> will|werk: that should get the nvidia stuff installed
[10:10] <beezly> then you just have to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to say "nvidia" where it currently says "nv"
[10:10] <roofy> you can even just copy paste the following
[10:11] <Gvre> so ubuntu is like sid but security fixes are from ubuntu developers right after the exploit has discovered right? sorry 4 the questions but i'm interesting to use ubuntu as server and i want to update it as soon as possible
[10:11] <roofy> cat /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | sed 's/nv/nvidia/' > /tmp/t; mv /tmp/t /etc/X11/XF86Config-4;
[10:12] <sladen> roofy: perl -p -i -e 's/nv/&idia/' /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[10:12] <roofy> showoff :P
[10:12] <clee> sed can also do in-place editing with '-i'
[10:13] <LoneTech> yay, "envidiaironment"!
[10:13] <roofy> clee: didnt know that
[10:13] <roofy> im old skool
[10:13] <roofy> yet im only 18 :P
[10:13] <jdub> mdz: mmm. i don't think that's such a great idea. but anyway.
[10:13] <roofy> sladen: i like the whole 's/nv/&idia/'
[10:13] <clee> roofy: sed -e s/foo/bar/ -i ${filename}
[10:13] <will|werk> cool thanks for your help guys
[10:13] <will|werk> :)
[10:14] <roofy> thanks clee 
[10:14] <clee> roofy: np
[10:15] <mdz> jdub: I like it fine, but take it up with the website mafia if you disagree :-)
[10:16] <seb128> mdz, jdub : permission to fix 1319 (epiphany downloads broken by jdub's changes) and 1266 (umount drives in network://) ?
[10:16] <Gvre> so ubuntu is like sid but security fixes are from ubuntu developers right after the exploit has discovered right? sorry 4 the questions but i'm interesting to use ubuntu as server and i want to update it as soon as possible
[10:16] <clee> Gvre: yes.
[10:17] <mdz> seb128: is it straightforward?
[10:17] <mdz> seb128: by the way, please subscribe to ubuntu-devel
[10:17] <Gvre> clee: Thanks
[10:17] <jdub> seb128: *cry* :)
[10:17] <seb128> jdub: you don't even tested your "Desktop" as folder dude !
[10:17] <jdub> Gvre: that's not really the difference
[10:17] <jdub> seb128: i did!
[10:17] <roofy> i hit yes to dnlwoad the latest packages of the internet
[10:17] <roofy> is it updating the entire system?
[10:17] <jdub> seb128: and the firefox default change - gar!
[10:17] <seb128> jdub: it doesn't work ...
[10:18] <jdub> mmm
[10:18] <Gvre> jdub: what do u mean?
[10:18] <seb128> jdub: if I put "Desktop" in the key here I got the same error as in 13198
[10:18] <seb128> -8
[10:18] <jdub> Gvre: ubuntu has six month time based releases based on debian
[10:18] <jdub> Gvre: debian sid
[10:18] <seb128> jdub: you use a jdub's version of epiphany which Desktop support ? :p
[10:18] <jdub> back soon
[10:19] <jamesh> seb128: does the fix in bug 1266 seem to work for you?
[10:19] <jamesh> (the volume unmounting bug)
[10:20] <seb128> jamesh: just get up and had some coffee, not tested yet
[10:20] <seb128> jamesh: I'll test in 5 min
[10:20] <jamesh> okay.
[10:21] <nawty> anyone here have any experiences with net-snmp ? 
[10:21] <nawty> or know it relativley well ? 
[10:21] <Gvre> jdub: i know that but i want to know if security of ubuntu  is as good as slackware 's
[10:21] <jdub> Gvre: totally :)
[10:22] <nawty> slackware has a good security model ? 
[10:22] <nawty> the security of a distribution is only as good as the person running it. 
[10:22] <seb128> mdz: I get mails from ubuntu-devel ... I guess I'm on the list ?
[10:22] <Gvre>  inow that to but i mean the security updates
[10:23] <nawty> granted some distributions make it easier to secure but others are simply secure by default.
[10:23] <nawty> Gvre: its debian, so it has a relativley good security track
[10:23] <Gvre> debian patches stable first and after stable the others
[10:24] <pitti> nawty: we made great efforts to proactively improve Warty's security
[10:24] <nawty> pitti: im sure, but yet again, that all relates to the admin and the choices. 
[10:24] <pitti> nawty: we removed many suid root bits from programs and now have many daemons run as a normal user which formerly ran as root
[10:24] <Gvre> i'm happy with slack but i want an amd64 port so i'm looking 4 a distro
[10:25] <pitti> nawty: of course, an admin can screw up anything, but that's not the point
[10:25] <mdz> seb128: at what address do you receive these mails?
[10:25] <mdz> jdub: is ubuntu-devel gatewayed to some other list?
[10:25] <nawty> pitti: no matter how secure warty is, if someone chooses to run for example bind or sendmail, no matter how secure the original install was said to be, its all choices :) 
[10:25] <pitti> nawty: the distro should be secure _by default_, not secure _regardless of root's actions_ :-)
[10:26] <nawty> pitti: i never disputed it :) 
[10:26] <pitti> nawty: sure, no thing in the world can stop this
[10:26] <nawty> pitti: but to say that one distro is more secure than another in a broad sense is a bad thing
[10:26] <pitti> nawty: I thought this was a question of you about our security model
[10:26] <pitti> nawty: agreed; this statement can be valid if you append "by default"
[10:27] <nawty> pitti: no, i was just saying that debian on a whole has a good security model, i cant comment on ubuntu directly because i havent used it, although debian is starting to scare me a bit with the way that it simply doesnt do simple things :) 
[10:27] <seb128> mdz: good question, I don't see the source adress in the header ... my debian and canonical email points at the same place, so one of the 2
[10:27] <nawty> s/debian/ubuntu/g && s/ubuntu/debian/g
[10:27] <pitti> nawty: which "simple things" in particular? I'm curious
[10:28] <nawty> pitti: by default when i go for example aptitude install cacti my choice of apache and php are made for me 
[10:28] <mdz> seb128: I do not see anything with 'seb' in it in the subscription list, nor do I see you when searching for canonical or debian, but I will believe you if you say that you are getting the mails
[10:28] <pitti> nawty: yes, these are the default choices of alternative dependencies
[10:28] <mdz> I am going to start using ubuntu-devel for ubuntu team discussions
[10:29] <nawty> pitti: and i'm not given the choice, although when i try to install apache2 forcefully and then install php unless i install the correct deb i end up having it wanting to install apache again
[10:29] <pitti> nawty: but of course you can overwrite them
[10:29] <pitti> nawty: apache and php are really a tricky issue
[10:29] <nawty> pitti: of course, but thats a whole lot of effort that other distributions have seem'ed to avoid :) 
[10:29] <pitti> nawty: it is tricky because you have to depend on a _set_ of mutually exclusive packages
[10:29] <nawty> pitti: bare in mind im a gentoo user and that `USE="apache2" emerge cacti` would do my trick 
[10:29] <mdz> nawty: ubuntu avoids that particular issue by supporting only apache2 :-)
[10:30] <seb128> mdz: arg, stupid error on my part. I've mail in my ubuntu-devel box, but these are -user cc: -devel ...
[10:30] <pitti> nawty: like (apache2 && php4-apache2) or (apache-1.3 && php4-apache1.3)
[10:30] <nawty> mdz: not true, im using ubuntu and i have it trying to install apache1 
[10:30] <pitti> nawty: probably we should just get rid of all apache1 stuff ASAP
[10:30] <seb128> mdz: and they got classed in the devel because the rule is before the user one ... sorry I'm subscribing right now
[10:30] <nawty> pitti: surely somthing can be done like a deb that asks you "do you want to install apache2 or apache1" ? 
[10:30] <pitti> nawty: the apache stuff is in fact the only issue known to me where the dependencies go wild
[10:30] <nawty> pitti: even if its an aptitude update ? 
[10:31] <nawty> pitti: and vim :P 
[10:31] <pitti> nawty: not with Debian's current Dependency specification
[10:31] <mdz> nawty: not true?
[10:31] <nawty> mdz: i've had this ubuntu install try install apache1 numerous times :) 
[10:31] <pitti> nawty: you have to provide a set of alternatives, and of none is installed, the first one is the default
[10:31] <mdz> nawty: then you must have enabled universe in sources.list :-P
[10:31] <mdz> nawty: which, as the comments explain, gives you access to unsupported packages
[10:31] <nawty> pitti: i suppose
[10:32] <nawty> mdz: yes, :) 
[10:32] <pitti> mdz: can we remove gnutls7 from supported now?
[10:32] <mdz> nawty: apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 if you want php
[10:32] <_1oo7> what if he's allergic to peanuts?  .. that is insensitive <g>
[10:32] <mdz> pitti: it should be removed automatically the next time elmo diffs it
[10:33] <pitti> nawty: that's in fact the only real good solution: install apache and php before and every apps depending on a webserver will install fine
[10:33] <pitti> mdz: ah, thanks
[10:33] <nawty> mdz: i've done it already, although i'm rather certain that these things should be and could be more `streamlined` 
[10:34] <nawty> pitti: i don't doubt that, i just think that things could be `smarter`
[10:34] <mdz> nawty: agreed; we have some interesting plans in that department
[10:34] <pitti> nawty,mdz: maybe we should just change the alternatives to list apache2 as first option
[10:34] <LoneTech> should bug 291 be reopened as enhancement, load apm module if acpi fails?
[10:34] <seb128> mdz: ok, now I'm on the list. Sorry for the mistake, I though all the @canonical were subscribed
[10:34] <mdz> pitti: the php4 package does not uspport apache2
[10:34] <mdz> that's why it depends on apache 1.x
[10:34] <mdz> there is a separate package for apache2
[10:34] <pitti> mdz: but libapache2-mod-php4 exists
[10:34] <pitti> yes
[10:34] <mdz> yes
[10:35] <pitti> mdz: I had a similar problem with a packaged web application of mine
[10:35] <pitti> mdz: I just could not get the dependencies right
[10:35] <mdz> pitti: the solution is to require apache2 :-)
[10:35] <nawty> another thing that was confusing is that apache2 install by default wasnt compiled with the mpm-worker, which meant that as soon as i installed the libapache2-... it removed an apache2 dep and re-instated it 
[10:35] <pitti> mdz: change-user-mind --force installed-www-server :-)
[10:35] <nawty> mdz: but you arent avoing the problem :) 
[10:35] <nawty> avoiding even 
[10:36] <nawty> brb
[10:36] <pitti> nawty: I'm curious, what does this "brb" mean? I've seen it many times
[10:36] <Keybuk> "be right back"
[10:36] <pitti> thx
[10:36] <pitti> all these TLAs
[10:40] <Tomcat_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_slang :)
[10:47] <rburton> erm, "http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)"
[10:50] <seb128> rburton: no problem here
[10:50] <seb128> works with apt, works with wget && gunzip
[10:51] <rburton> hrm
[10:51] <rburton> i'll try again
[10:51] <rburton> heh, worked that time :)
[10:53] <nawty> pitti: be right back :) 
[10:54] <plovs> rburton, I had this on every single computer I installed ubuntu to, it just sort of times out or something run again and it is ok
[10:54] <mdz> rburton: some others have reported the same problem
[10:55] <mdz> I have never seen it myself
[10:55] <mdz> often this sort of strange behaviour can be attributed to a broken transparent proxy run by the ISP
[10:55] <psi> my monitor wasn't detected properly. should i report this as a bug?
[10:56] <mdz> psi: send mail to ubuntu-users first
[10:56] <psi> okay
[10:58] <Kinnison> Morning (IGT)
[10:58] <psi> also, the computer menu is only half translated in my swedish setup (desktop preferences, computer configuration, about ubuntu, etc)
[10:58] <psi> would you like this translated? or is it something that concerns gnome
[10:59] <seb128> yes, and that doesn't concern GNOME
[10:59] <seb128> we hacked the menu, so the strings are specific to the distro
[10:59] <psi> right
[11:02] <ficusplanet> Is there any way to edit the "Computer" menu?
[11:02] <rburton> ficusplanet: no
[11:02] <neill> hi. 
[11:03] <rburton> ficusplanet: well, you can probably move items in desktop prefs and system tools
[11:03] <neill> does nvidia include the nvidia binary drivers?
[11:03] <neill> gah. ubuntu.
[11:03] <rburton> neill: install nvidia-glx and dpkg-reconfig the x server
[11:03] <neill> thanks.
[11:04] <seb128> you can also show/mask some entries like the lock screen one
[11:04] <seb128> or the log out
[11:04] <seb128> /apps/panel/global/disable_lock_screen & /apps/panel/global/disable_log_out in gconf
[11:16] <jdub> pipka's installing ubuntu now
[11:16] <rburton> dear god
[11:16] <jdub> she wanted to call her machine 'xiaofeng'
[11:16] <rburton> speaking of which, has telsa installed it yet?
[11:16] <jdub> she was invited to the sounder team
[11:16] <jdub> not sure if she did
[11:17] <rburton> lucky you :)
[11:18] <felix> hi all! Anyone got binary nvidia drivers going on amd64?
[11:19] <thom> http://www.andrewsavory.com/blog/archives/000373.html
[11:20] <rburton> i'm glad i'm not the only person who sees the shooting stars association
[11:20] <rburton> i'm one step away from "ubuntooooo" being the login sound 
[11:21] <will|werk> eranu!
[11:21] <will|werk> i totally get it too
[11:21] <Keybuk> Ubuntu 6.04 "The Dove from Above"
[11:21] <Keybuk> *cough*
[11:21] <neill> yup. same here. 
[11:22] <rburton> 43 minutes to install! my desktop at work took less than 20 which was very pleasing
[11:23] <mdz> felix: does nvidia provide amd64 binaries?  or do you want to try to use the i386 ones?
[11:23] <jdub> will|werk: 8)
[11:23] <fabbione> mdz: not sure.. they have some 64 bits binaries
[11:24] <fabbione> mdz: but no idea for what they are exactly
[11:24] <mdz> hmm, looks like they have amd64
[11:24] <mdz> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux.html
[11:24] <mdz> fabbione: any reason not to include them in the package?
[11:25] <neill> iirc there are 64bit nforce and graphics binaries
[11:26] <fabbione> mdz: not that i am aware of, but i cannot test them at all. So i had rather prefer if someone with amd64 + nvidia could that.
[11:26] <fabbione> mdz: specially for the userland stuff like libs and so on.
[11:26] <fabbione> mdz: otherwise ship me your amd64 ;)
[11:28] <neill> is there a reason that http://www.ubuntu.com and http://ubuntu.com don't seem to go anywhere? Shouldn't they be pointing at www.ubuntulinux.org ? 
[11:28] <mdz> fabbione: I can test the functionality, but if you could take care of the packaging, that would be great
[11:28] <nawty> so anyone here well versed in the ways of the snmpd ? 
[11:28] <jdub> neill: it's a known problem, being fixed soon :)
[11:30] <felix> mdz: sorry yeah, nvidia have amd64 binaries, they mostly work, I'm having probs with glx tho
[11:31] <MacPlusG3> jdub: rock on the ubuntu release - impressed
[11:32] <fabbione> mdz: not sure about the time... i am still working on the nv free driver
[11:32] <fabbione> mdz: and the script to switch from free to non-free
[11:32] <fabbione> (and viceversa)
[11:33] <neill> how are the free drivers these days?
[11:33] <mdz> daniels: ping?
[11:33] <felix> that would be very nice
[11:33] <neill> do they support DVI yet?
[11:33] <nawty> guess not :( 
[11:36] <jdub> MacPlusG3: sweet, thanks
[11:37] <MacPlusG3> out of interest - what was the basis behind not having Computer and Home Directory icons on the desktop?
[11:38] <jdub> MacPlusG3: see the faq :)
[11:38] <jdub> MacPlusG3: how often can you see the icons on your desktop when you're doing Real Work?
[11:39] <azeem> when I'm doing real work[tm] , I have an xterm with screen opened =)
[11:39] <ficusplanet> jdub: By the way, that change has gone over really well with the people I've set up with Ubuntu so far.
[11:39] <azeem> which is not maximized
[11:39] <MacPlusG3> jdub: wow... a FAQ with a question of mine answered... this is... new... strange... :)
[11:40] <_axel> hi, i have a weird problem installing Ubuntu on my system, i hope you can help me
[11:40] <MacPlusG3> jdub: depends... X apps tend to like to position themselves over the icons.. which is annoying - MacOS style of having apps not put themselves over the icons is quite nice
[11:40] <MacPlusG3> hence the mac having icons on the right of the screen
[11:41] <MacPlusG3> and mac users (or people who learnt on a mac) not maximising their windows
[11:41] <_axel> i have downloaded the iso, checked the md5sums and they're correct, burned them etc and when i install it, when installing the base packages it barfs of package 'bsdutils' and i have to abort installation
[11:41] <MacPlusG3> but that point is good (at least in the current scenario)
[11:41] <_axel> s/of/on
[11:41] <jdub> MacPlusG3: lots of screen space wasted, etc.
[11:41] <din> is ubuntu based off debian?
[11:41] <jdub> din: yes
[11:41] <_axel> i have tried burning the iso to 4 different cd's so i'm sure it's not the cd... what's going on?
[11:42] <MacPlusG3> jdub: rock the sudo and not root thing though.
[11:42] <mdz> _axel: a couple of people have seen that, but so far every time it has been the result of a bad burn or bad download
[11:42] <sladen> _axel / MacPlusG3:  the Mac OS X cd burning program is buggy
[11:42] <sladen> _axel / MacPlusG3:  you may need to use  cdrecord from fink
[11:42] <_axel> hmm, im not using macosx, i used cdrecord on a debian testing box
[11:42] <rburton> _axel: might be a bug i saw with sarge, DMA being on shows up bugs in cd drive firmware.  something like hdc=nodma might help (check the option though)
[11:43] <din> _axel: corrupt iso maybe?
[11:43] <_axel> din: nope, md5sum matches
[11:43] <linux_mafia> do i have to something special for the hal daemon to work? when i try and run the removable storage config, it tells me hald is installed but not running
[11:43] <din> _axel: tried burning as root? :)
[11:43] <_axel> rburton: hdc=nodma passed to kernel at boot time?
[11:43] <_axel> din : yup
[11:44] <rburton> _axel: yeah
[11:44] <_axel> so i pass hdd=nodma to sarge and burn it again or pass it to the ubuntu kernel when installing? i didnt get it clearly sorry
[11:44] <rburton> _axel: ubuntu kernel
[11:45] <_axel> oh, then i'll have to pick the cd's from the trashcan ;)
[11:47] <_axel> k, im going to try it again, thanks and if it doesnt work i'll be back to whine about my broken system again ;)
[11:49] <wobin> i found a problem with 4.10 PR on Amd K6
[11:50] <rburton> sweet, ipod/firewire works okay now
[11:50] <wobin> kernel oopses almost immediately because of the 'splash' option on amd k6
[11:50] <MacPlusG3> rburton: FAT or HFS?
[11:51] <robster> rburton: morning
[11:51] <rburton> MacPlusG3: fat. before a few days ago it only worked if it was in when i booted
[11:51] <rburton> morning robster
[11:53] <MacPlusG3> rburton: cool. don't know if you know - but you can use the contacts and calendar bit on an ipod :)
[11:54] <rburton> yeah
[11:54] <rburton> i just ran evo-ipod-sync actually
[11:54] <rburton> its hanging when exporting my calendar though
[11:54] <MacPlusG3> rburton: i use multisynnc
[11:54] <MacPlusG3> don't know if it works with evo 2 though...
[11:54] <Sleep_bob> haha
[11:54] <mdz> wobin: the 'splash' option has no effect on the kernel at all.  perhaps something else is the cause?
[11:54] <Sleep_bob> I have a bug for nautilus
[11:55] <Sleep_bob> it doesn't really work when you try to copy 4200 files
[11:55] <wobin> mdz: may have to do with framebuffer perhaps? i deleted the splash option and it booted
[11:55] <rburton> seb128: so my ipod appears as sda2, i can unmount it but to unplug it i need to eject it... can this be added to the context menu or will the HAL stuff fix that
[11:55] <mdz> wobin: no other changes?
[11:55] <wobin> mdz: no
[11:55] <MacPlusG3> rburton: does 'eject' actually log out of the device? that is, the ipod stops displaying 'do not disconnect'?
[11:56] <rburton> MacPlusG3: yes
[11:56] <highvoltage> does anyone know if future versions of ubuntu will give you an option of installing lilo?
[11:56] <mdz> wobin: and if you add it back, does it oops again?
[11:56] <HrdwrBoB> highvoltage: extremely unlikely
[11:56] <HrdwrBoB> why?
[11:56] <wobin> mdz: haven't tried, was too happy having a working desktop :)
[11:56] <highvoltage> I like lilo
[11:56] <highvoltage> been using it forever
[11:56] <rburton> highvoltage: try grub :)
[11:57] <highvoltage> now I have to learn all the grub stuff
[11:57] <mdz> wobin: I was pretty sure that everything which looked at the splash option had been ripped out; certainly the kernel itself never paid attention to it
[11:57] <HrdwrBoB> highvoltage: I liked lilo to until I used grub :)
[11:57] <highvoltage> why is grub better? I'm not arguing, I just want to educate myself
[11:57] <rburton> highvoltage: well, you don't need to learn anything. the installer detects other partitions and the kernel packages manage it
[11:57] <HrdwrBoB> highvoltage: grub knows about the filesystem
[11:57] <wobin> mdz: i'll try tonight (it's noon here now) and post a report here or anywhere else
[11:57] <HrdwrBoB> if you screw it up
[11:57] <HrdwrBoB> and get the wrong file
[11:57] <HrdwrBoB> it'll still boot
[11:57] <mdz> wobin: thanks
[11:58] <HrdwrBoB> if you recompile the kernel
[11:58] <HrdwrBoB> and name it the same
[11:58] <HrdwrBoB> it'll still work
[11:59] <highvoltage> ah ok
[11:59] <MacPlusG3> rburton: that's new...
[11:59] <MacPlusG3> rburton: i think :)
[11:59] <highvoltage> I'll read some more documentation and stuff
[11:59] <azeem> highvoltage: it should just work[tm] 
[11:59] <rburton> MacPlusG3: not really, technically its a removable scsi disk. eject /media/ipod
[11:59] <highvoltage> azeem: I like to fiddle
[11:59] <HrdwrBoB> highvoltage: any question that is asked in the installer *NEEDS* to be asked
[12:00] <HrdwrBoB> if it doesn't need to be asked, it shouldn't be there
[12:00] <highvoltage> I also experiment with lots of distro's
[12:00] <highvoltage> so I use the other=/dev/hdax a lot!
[12:00] <highvoltage> (in lilo)
[12:00] <HrdwrBoB> that's the nature of ubuntu
[12:01] <MacPlusG3> rburton: i recall having some troubles with that in past kernels... have a half hack lying around somewhere.... 
[12:01] <MacPlusG3> rburton: but hey - if it's been fixed - rock
[12:01] <daniels> mdz: pong
[12:02] <_1oo7> daniels ; i'm thinking he maybe has the bedtime
[12:02] <daniels> ah
[12:02] <mdz> soon
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> the bedtime? or the brainworms?
[12:07] <az[a] zel_ibook> I have ubuntu installed on my AMD64 box now
[12:08] <az[a] zel_ibook> well im still in the installation process upon first boot
[12:08] <az[a] zel_ibook> in the "testing apt sources" bit, it gets stuck at 99% [Waiting for headeres] 
[12:08] <az[a] zel_ibook> it's timed out once, and is now at the same spot again
[12:09] <Tomcat_> I think the repositories are a bit slow.
[12:09] <az[a] zel_ibook> I dunno what it's waiting for, it seems to have downloaded the headers.. *shrug*
[12:09] <Tomcat_> That part needed minutes on my machine.
[12:09] <az[a] zel_ibook> ah ok
[12:10] <az[a] zel_ibook> hopefully my ISP will mirror ubuntu soon
[12:10] <az[a] zel_ibook> maybe I should ask them
[12:12] <az[a] zel_ibook> hmm stuck at 87% on the warty-security repository
[12:13] <az[a] zel_ibook> come on dammit, I wanna see gnome 2.8 boot ;)
[12:17] <highvoltage> Is there a list that announces new packages in the universe?
[12:18] <highvoltage> I suppose the main announce is too low-traffice to include things like kde in the universe
[12:18] <Mithrandir> highvoltage: I think there's a ubuntu-changes list.
[12:18] <Keybuk> highvoltage: universe is basically everything in Debian main that built
[12:19] <rburton> highvoltage: synaptic will show you new packages as they appear
[12:20] <highvoltage> ah, thanks. I'll give synaptic a try. Where do I find the ubuntu-changes list? It's not 'advertised' on the mailman page
[12:20] <jdub> highvoltage: nothing new is being added
[12:21] <jdub> highvoltage: currently it's called 'warty-changes' and is hidden
[12:21] <jdub> but you can still get to it
[12:21] <jdub> we'll probably change the name and unhide it
[12:22] <LinSpider> hi all !
[12:22] <LinSpider> first time here
[12:22] <LinSpider> lot's of people here :)
[12:22] <highvoltage> ah, ok. found it, subscribed. thanks
[12:22] <sabdfl> jdub: battery applet is looking schweet thanks to james h
[12:24] <jdub> hrm, i might have to kill and reload it :)
[12:24] <jdub> sabdfl: what changed?
[12:24] <sabdfl> pull out the plug and watch
[12:24] <jamesh> jdub: it provides useful battery charge status even when the big battery image is disabled.
[12:25] <jdub> oh, ok
[12:25] <jdub> my acpi support is b0rk
[12:25] <jdub> so i can't see that foo here
[12:25] <sabdfl> jamesh: great work
[12:25] <jdub> i should try on the toilet seat
[12:29] <_axel> uhm, i tried installing with nodma for the cd drive but it still borks, now i reinstalled sarge and tried to burn the iso again and cdrecord crashed :/
[12:29] <_axel> looks like i have no way to try this stuff out
[12:32] <Keybuk> sabdfl: the little battery charge goes down?
[12:33] <jamesh> Keybuk: yeah.
[12:33] <sabdfl> yes if you ask it nicely
[12:33] <Keybuk> does it do that when the big battery is being displayed as well?
[12:33] <jamesh> and changes colour the same way the big battery image does
[12:34] <jamesh> it always does it (making it conditional would have been a bit more work)
[12:34] <Keybuk> hrm, that'd look pretty sucky :(  might as well just disable the big image if the little one drains and changes colour
[12:34] <Keybuk> that thing always took up too much space anyway
[12:35] <LinSpider> Is ubuntu a debian based distro ?
[12:35] <Keybuk> though the little image doesn't show you how charged the battery is when charging :-/
[12:36] <will|werk> LinSpider: yes
[12:36] <mjg59> Ooh, you've got rms on your case now
[12:37] <Tomcat_> mjg59: Link?
[12:37] <LinSpider> will|werk : thanks !!
[12:37] <mjg59> http://lists.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2004-September/msg00062.html
[12:38] <plovs> anybody got usb-keys working out of the box? mine started to work (more or less) after I added /media/usb and an fstab entry
[12:38] <jamesh> Keybuk: the defaults are set to not show the big image
[12:38] <jamesh> so on a clean account it should be compact and useful.
[12:38] <Keybuk> jamesh: yeah, I'm just thinking when people change the defaults ... it shouldn't be not-useful/ugly for them
[12:38] <rburton> plovs: mine works with no changes, hal detected it and pmount mounted it
[12:38] <ggi> Why is the default pdf viewer xpdf? I would have thought gpdf would  have been a more obvious choice. Is it unmaintained or something?
[12:39] <jamesh> Keybuk: hopefully the battery applet will get a fair bit of attention in the Gnome 2.10 release cycle.  The current code is pretty evil.
[12:39] <jamesh> Keybuk: I could imagine showing a small bar next to the power cord to show the charge while on A/C
[12:39] <Tomcat_> Argh... RMS and his "It's GNU/Linux!!!1111" thing again...
[12:39] <will|werk> so damned anal
[12:39] <neill> ?
[12:40] <will|werk> OMG DON@T FORGET THE GNU PART
[12:40] <will|werk> sheesh
[12:40] <Tomcat_> :)
[12:40] <sabdfl> Keybuk: some people like a huge green thing
[12:41] <Tomcat_> I understand most of his thoughts and I agree that he's a very important person, but I don't get how the GNU thing in the title will change anything.
[12:41] <sabdfl> plovs: is your system an update from woody, or a clean install?
[12:41] <Tomcat_> He doesn't even point to it and how he developed it so we could say it's an ego thing.
[12:42] <Keybuk> sabdfl: yeah, but if you've got a huge draining green thing, you shouldn't have an identical smaller, upright version of it next to it
[12:42] <Keybuk> if you follow me ... you basically end up with []  [     ]  where both are showing the same thing
[12:42] <plovs> rburton, ok, pmount works, but the gid and uid are 0 whichs means I do not even have ro ???
[12:43] <plovs> sabdfl, clean install
[12:43] <will|werk> Tomcat_: I do appreciate the work put into it by people like him, but "Linux" is just a much snappier name
[12:43] <will|werk> would windows be so successful if it was MS/WIN5.10 ?
[12:43] <azeem> just hope he does not suggest to rename it to 'gnubuntu'
[12:44] <will|werk> i doubt it
[12:44] <Tomcat_> NO TEH SLASH IS TEH MISSING!!11
[12:44] <Tomcat_> GNU/Buntu :)
[12:44] <Keybuk> azeem: that'd be a great name for an Ubuntu derivative focused on free-software only though :p
[12:44] <azeem> Tomcat_: eh, that would imply Buntu was a kernel
[12:44] <Tomcat_> Or maybe he suggests (since Ubuntu is African) that they rename it to just "GNU" :)
[12:44] <sivang> morning everybody!
[12:44] <ggi> I never quite know how to pronounce GNU/Linux. Is it just GNU Linux? Do I prounounce the slash? *weep*
[12:45] <Tomcat_> :D
[12:45] <plovs> as it comes more or less from South Africa shouldn't it be Wildebeest/Buntu then?
[12:45] <will|werk> heh
[12:45] <Keybuk> ggi: rms tends to pronounce the slash, iirc.
[12:45] <azeem> Keybuk: yeah. Or we could name it something else... like "Debian" :P
[12:45] <rburton> seb128: eds appears to be broken for me... the clock applet is hanging
[12:45] <plovs> rburton, do you have rw access?
[12:45] <mjg59> ggi: You have to pronounce the slash or it sounds like a GNU project (which it isn't)
[12:45] <Keybuk> azeem: Debian contains non-free software </rms>
[12:45] <seb128> rburton: oh ? since when ?
[12:45] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> yay I have ubuntu running.. seems pretty decent
[12:46] <ggi> So "GNU slash Linux" then?
[12:46] <Tomcat_> If you don't pronounce the slash you might be a capitalist </rms>
[12:46] <rburton> seb128: very recently. i'm going to logout/in
[12:46] <azeem> ggi: I know a german guy who pronounces it like that
[12:46] <jdub> sabdfl: so now we have rad battery, rad wifi... only the sound needs radding ;)
[12:46] <azeem> ggi: he calls himself GNU/Wolfgang, though, so he might not count
[12:46] <mjg59> ggi: Yup
[12:46] <Tomcat_> lol
[12:46] <plovs> rburton, to your usb-key I mean
[12:46] <seb128> rburton: ok, there is no package change ... so probably an eds bug
[12:47] <rburton> plovs: yes, its mounted as me
[12:47] <plovs> rburton, funny, more poking ahead then
[12:47] <jdub> gmail does plus addresses :-)
[12:47] <Keybuk> jdub: yes, and lets you keyword-search on the plus bit
[12:47] <plovs> jdub, gmail is *very* nice
[12:48] <jdub> Keybuk: haha, rad
[12:48] <plovs> btw for the unlucky few I still have two invites
[12:48] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> gnome seems heaps faster than I remember it
[12:48] <mjg59> jdub: You'll be following up to rms's foundation-list post, then? :)
[12:48] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> I usually use KDE
[12:48] <jdub> mjg59: yes
[12:48] <ajmitch_> azeem: I've heard he's an interesting chap
[12:49] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> everything seems to load pretty much instantly on this machine
[12:49] <azeem> ajmitch_: hey
[12:49] <jordi> mako: yup dude, GNOME 2.8 on 64 megs of ram is *bad idea*
[12:49] <ajmitch_> hello
[12:49] <azeem> ajmitch_: yeah, and he shaved off his beard :)
[12:49] <ajmitch_> hi jordi  :)
[12:49] <jdub> yo ajmitch_, azeem 
[12:49] <ajmitch_> & jdub
[12:49] <bob2> Kamion: hm, I'm still seeing the gnome "/dev/pmu permission" thing, wasn't it supposed to be fixed a while back?
[12:51] <plovs> rburton, right I ran pmount as root, now it works, but isn't the whole idea of HAL and friends that I do not have to run pmount at all?
[12:51] <pitti> mh21: Hi, nice to see you! :-)
[12:52] <rburton> plovs: yes, hal calls it for you. hal probably doesn't recognise your key or somehting
[12:52] <pitti> mh21: DDC does not work, I'm behind a NAT
[12:52] <pitti> mh21: can you please mail the stuff to me?
[12:53] <plovs> rburton, but it the most famous of all: El Cheapo! 
[12:54] <ggi> To condense & reiterate my original question: uh, xpdf, why?
[12:54] <rburton> plovs: el cheapo worked here. run the device manager in computer->system and check out the info
[12:54] <pitti> plovs: please _dont_ run pmount as root, that makes no sense
[12:54] <rburton> ggi: it works for more PDFs than gpdf does
[12:54] <sabdfl> jamesh: Keybuk, you get battery charge level from mouseover when it's plugged in, i thikn
[12:54] <jdub> ggi: difficult decision regarding PDF support and searching and stuff
[12:54] <jdub> ggi: gpdf for hoary, i'm sure :)
[12:54] <plovs> pitti, yes *now* I know :)
[12:54] <jamesh> sabdfl: you might not actually ... 
[12:54] <Tomcat_> What does pmount do?
[12:55] <sabdfl> plovs: does it show up as /dev/usb/xxx or /dev/xxx?
[12:55] <jamesh> sabdfl: I just noticed that there are different tooltips on the big battery and the little status icon
[12:55] <pitti> plovs: I'm currently hacking at pmount, maybe I should just stop if it is called by root
[12:55] <sabdfl> i get it on the little one
[12:55] <pitti> Tomcat_: man pmount
[12:55] <pitti> Tomcat_: it is a policy wrapper around mount
[12:55] <plovs> rburton, transcend jetflash 2.0
[12:55] <ggi> rburton: Isn't gpdf based on xpdf?
[12:55] <martink> jdub: I was just going to ask when gpdf has to be perfect to get into hoary
[12:55] <pitti> Tomcat_: it allows normal users to mount removeable devices which are not in fstab
[12:55] <Tomcat_> Ah okay.
[12:56] <jdub> ggi: it is, but gpdf uses a different rendering pipeline
[12:56] <rburton> ggi: sort of, but the rendering is different, it doesn't do as many embedded fonts
[12:56] <jdub> martink!
[12:56] <pitti> Tomcat_: this was written to avoid mangling fstab
[12:56] <rburton> (yet)
[12:56] <jdub> martink: dude
[12:56] <jdub> martink: sorry :)
[12:56] <jdub> martink: i grumbled a bit about this one ;)
[12:56] <martink> np
[12:56] <rburton> seb128: hm, eds is okay. i think clock_applet hung
[12:56] <linux_mafia> rburton, I cant run the device manager, it flickers up for a second then goes, any ideas?
[12:56] <rburton> jdub: hopefully G2.10's pdf will work fine
[12:56] <plovs> sabdfl, /dev/sda mounted on /media/usb-key (called by: pmount /dev/sda usb-key)
[12:57] <rburton> linux_mafia: hal isn't running? run it in a terminal
[12:57] <jdub> martink: most of the pdf support issues were sorted by the time 2.8 came out, save for the type3 fonts thing (right?)
[12:57] <seb128> rburton: killing the applets help ? :)
[12:57] <jdub> martink: and there were comments about no text search
[12:57] <rburton> seb128: i didn't notice clock_applet still running until i'd restarted gnome 
[12:57] <seb128> URIs support is badly broken in gpdf too
[12:57] <jdub> martink: how is the preview-style integration going? reckon that's going to happen for 2.10?
[12:58] <highvoltage> I read the Ubuntu faw about version numbers
[12:58] <martink> jdub: fonts: yes type3 (and a corner case with not embedded fonts)
[12:58] <seb128> gpdf http:// .. or with samba shares doesn't work
[12:58] <seb128> it just crashs
[12:58] <linux_mafia> rburton, thats what i thought to do initially, but it makes no difference
[12:58] <highvoltage> What happens if there's another release on 10th of october next year
[12:58] <rburton> linux_mafia: check hald is runinng and not dead
[12:58] <highvoltage> sorry- I was confused, please ignore :)
[12:59] <jdub> highvoltage: 5.10 :-)
[01:00] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> I must say I'm really impressed with ubuntu so far.. I've been looking for a while for an AMD64 distribution
[01:00] <linux_mafia> rburton, no not running, even though a '/etc/init.d/hal start' produces an [ ok ] , im confused, heh
[01:02] <jdub> linux_mafia: restart dbus, then hal
[01:02] <linux_mafia> jdub, will do
[01:03] <seb128> just restarting dbus should be ok
[01:03] <linux_mafia> hmmm, still no dice
[01:08] <martink> jdub: preview integration: this time we might actually produce some code
[01:09] <jdub> martink: that's going to rock *so* *hard*
[01:10] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> is there an easy graphical way to share a directory?
[01:11] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> (through samba)
[01:11] <jdub> az[a] zel_ubuntu: no, but next release, for sure. :-)
[01:11] <jdub> oh, for samba, possibly
[01:11] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> yeah I used GNOME system tools to start samba.. cant find anything for sharing directories with nautilus
[01:12] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> just seeing how much I can do before touching the command line :)
[01:12] <jdub> :-)
[01:12] <scaroo> jdub, will you use samba for this purpose or the news Webdav backend of alex ?
[01:12] <jdub> az[a] zel_ubuntu: i think some of that will hit gnome in 2.10
[01:12] <jdub> scaroo: we'll wait and see :)
[01:12] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> I've had to hand edit my XF86Config-4 to get a decent monitor resolution.. hopefully X.org and gnome system tools will fix the woeful nature of setting up X11
[01:13] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> jdub, ah ok
[01:13] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> jdub, this is damn fast so far (AMD64 version).. everything (except openoffice) launches instantly
[01:13] <Mithrandir> az[a] zel_ubuntu: good to hear. :)
[01:14] <scaroo> the same here on a pentium M :)
[01:14] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> Mithrandir, I didn't have any problems with hardware setup
[01:14] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> Mithrandir, in fact, this has been one of the easiest linux installs I've had to do for a while
[01:14] <Ycros> unf, amd64 is great.
[01:14] <Mithrandir> az[a] zel_ubuntu: very nice to hear -- so far I'm aware of problems with NForce3 and SATA, but as I don't have that available, I can't check it out.
[01:14] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> ah ok, I have a VIA K8 chipset
[01:15] <Mithrandir> jdub: if you could get an nforce3 board, it would be interesting -- we need to weed that SATA+nf3 bug out before release.
[01:15] <Mithrandir> jdub: or if you could get me one, of course. ;)
[01:16] <scaroo> Mithrandir, is this an ubuntu-only bug ?
[01:16] <Mithrandir> scaroo: afaik, no.
[01:16] <Mithrandir> scaroo: it's a kernel problem, it seems.
[01:17] <jdub> Mithrandir: not sure i have the bling handy ;)
[01:18] <Mithrandir> scaroo: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1324
[01:18] <scaroo> Mithrandir, i ll have a look
[01:21] <Kamion> bob2: no, the bug's still open I'm afraid
[01:21] <Kamion> mmm, shiny new amd64 box just arrived this morning
[01:21] <bob2> Kamion: ah, dang
[01:21] <Ycros> everyone seems to be getting amd64's :E
[01:21] <bob2> Kamion: oooh
[01:22] <bob2> I guess I have to get a amd64 and an x40 if I want to stay in the company
[01:22] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> Ycros, that's because they rock :)
[01:22] <Mithrandir> Kamion: what chipset?
[01:22] <jdub> Kamion: cor, you got one too? hmm. :-)
[01:22] <Mithrandir> jdub: amd64 boxes are _cheap_
[01:23] <jdub> yeah
[01:23] <jono> hi all
[01:23] <Kamion> Mithrandir: ABit KV8 motherboard, don't know more than that yet
[01:23] <bob2> nforce3 4 eva
[01:23] <jdub> but i'll have to get all the bits to go with it
[01:23] <jdub> hey jono 
[01:23] <Kamion> Mithrandir: it does have SATA though
[01:23] <jono> heya jdub - hows it going dude?
[01:23] <Mithrandir> k8t800 pro, it seems
[01:23] <Ycros> Kamion, abit kv8-max3 is what I have
[01:23] <Kamion> hi jono, will try to reply to your mail soonish
[01:23] <Ycros> Kamion, I am blinded by the rice.
[01:23] <jdub> jono: relatively sleep free ;)
[01:23] <Mithrandir> Kamion: the problem isn't with SATA per se, the problem is with NF3
[01:24] <Kamion> Mithrandir: hm, right :-/
[01:24] <Kamion> Mithrandir: might just be a "more modules required" thing?
[01:24] <jono> Kamion, cool, which one are you?
[01:24] <Kamion> jono: /whois :-)
[01:24] <jono> jdub, I bet :D
[01:24] <jono> Kamion, ahhh cool, nice to meet you Colin
[01:24] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> Gigabyte K8T800 Pro here.. SATA RAID and IDE RAID on the same board, heh
[01:24] <Ycros> Kamion, you haven't booted it up yet?
[01:25] <Kamion> Ycros: still in the box ...
[01:25] <jono> Kamion, Aq (Stuart Langridge) mentions you a lot
[01:25] <Mithrandir> Kamion: is the sata_nv driver on the media?
[01:25] <Kamion> jono: figures, we've known each other a long time :)
[01:25] <jono> Kamion, cool
[01:25] <nawty> anyone here be a snmp person ?
[01:25] <nawty> *sigh*
[01:25] <Ycros> Kamion, dunno about yours, but mine has bright red leds on it
[01:25] <Kamion> Mithrandir: should be, it's in sata-modules
[01:25] <Kosai> jono: Hi.  :)
[01:25] <Ycros> didn't find out about them till I actually booted it up :E
[01:25] <jdub> nawty: roughly, in past gigs
[01:25] <Mithrandir> Kamion: is it in the pci.lst?
[01:26] <jono> I filed a bug report that the right mouse button doesnt work when I Ctrl-Click on a single mouse button
[01:26] <jdub> nawty: problem?
[01:26] <jono> heya Kosai
[01:26] <Kamion> Mithrandir: ooh, that's a possibility
[01:26] <nawty> jdub: net-snmpd doesnt seem to trap interface statistics anymore? 
[01:26] <nawty> jdub: ubuntu install btw. 
[01:26] <Kamion> Mithrandir: would need to know PCI ids, I think they might be in the bug so I'll look when I do the morning's pass over bugzilla] 
[01:27] <Mithrandir> Kamion: goodie, it's your bug, so. :)
[01:27] <jdub> nawty: not sure, haven't tried thus far ;)
[01:27] <Mithrandir> Kamion: else, a nf3 board costs me about 800NOK, so it could be money well spent.
[01:27] <nawty> jdub: *kick
[01:27] <nawty> *
[01:27] <Mithrandir> (as I have the rest I need, like CPU, memory and stuff)
[01:28] <Mithrandir> hi StingRay, nice to see another Norwegian in here.
[01:29] <StingRay> How did you know?
[01:29] <Mithrandir> looking at your hostmask?
[01:29] <StingRay> Of course....
[01:29] <Mithrandir> :)
[01:29] <nawty> :( 
[01:29] <StingRay> Why didn`t I think of that
[01:29] <StingRay> ?
[01:30] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> anyone else finding the address book broken in Evolution?
[01:30] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> says that it doesn't exist, or I don't have permission to access it? I thought evo would've created it itself
[01:35] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> hmm my ibook went to sleep :)
[01:36] <scaroo> hmmm something puzzles me : ubuntu comes with the intel 2100/2200 wireless devices firmware images, but one has to agree to an agreement (http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/firmware.php?fid=3) to be able to d/l them from the project's site, isn't that a potential legal issue ?
[01:38] <highvoltage> my evolution is fine
[01:38] <highvoltage> It's just the autocompletion that doesn't seem to work :(
[01:40] <jono> anyone know where I can add a command line option to X? I submitted a bug report to ubuntu bugzilla with the fact that the right mouse button doesnt work on a single button mac by Ctrl-Click'ing - it looks like the X option -fakebuttons needs to be added when X is started - how do I do this?
[01:40] <jdub> jono: /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[01:41] <jdub> highvoltage: make sure the address book you care about is chosen for autocompletion
[01:42] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> cool, importing pictures from my digital camera worked.. gThumb crashed though :/
[01:46] <jono> jdub, cheers
[01:47] <cef> daniels: you about?
[01:55] <nawty> ARGH 
[01:55] <nawty> no one else fancy a helping hand with snmpd ?
[01:56] <daniels> cef: hey dude
[01:56] <daniels> cef: !
[01:56] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> hmm, we need an eject button on the keyboard like on Mac, heh.. pressing eject on the CDROM doesn't work :/
[01:57] <cef> daniels: and yes, expect it sometime this weekend
[01:58] <cef> daniels: at the moment I'm trying to decide if I have enough energy to get out of my seat and climb into bed before I go to sleep, or wether I just doze off in my chair
[01:59] <cef> daniels: so yeah, you will soon be the proud owner of an AGP Matrox G400 dual head card
[02:00] <jdub> those are so much love
[02:00] <rburton> i wonder if X reading /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mouse is the cause of my super fast mouse?
[02:00] <khalek> pci ones are quite a bit harder to come across
[02:00] <seb128> jdub: do we want to hack epiphany to get downloads on the desktop ?
[02:00] <jdub> seb128: yes please
[02:01] <jdub> seb128: why doesn't the preference work?
[02:01] <seb128> ok, need some code
[02:01] <daniels> cef: dude! awesome, thanks very much :)
[02:01] <seb128> because it's waiting for a directory
[02:01] <daniels> cef: heh
[02:01] <seb128> or Downloads which is a special case
[02:01] <daniels> ARGH! arse.
[02:01] <Deft> is the ubuntu bugzilla in use yet?
[02:01] <seb128> jdub: need to add a special case Desktop ...
[02:01] <cef> jdub: heh.. I've gave daniels a number of video cards last night.. he and fabbione will have lots of cards to hack on
[02:02] <rburton> seb128: remember to think about me where desktop = $HOME :)
[02:02] <daniels> maybe if I build it with '== CHIP_FAMILY_R420', instead of '= CHIP_FAMILY_R420', my R200 will work better
[02:02] <seb128> rburton: that's why I need to do some hack
[02:02] <seb128> rburton: in the other case ~/Desktop was fine
[02:02] <rburton> ah
[02:02] <seb128> in the gconf key
[02:02] <fabbione> hey cef
[02:02] <cef> heya fabbione 
[02:03] <fabbione> what's up?
[02:03] <fabbione> i heard my name associated to video cards :-)
[02:03] <cef> me? I'm absolutely exausted....
[02:03] <jdub> seb128: oh, yucky
[02:03] <daniels> fabbione: we'll have craploads in denmark
[02:04] <fabbione> daniels: we need to start checking stuff for your trip as well
[02:04] <daniels> fabbione: my r200 and rv250, some mga cards, mach32, tseng, cirrus, a couple of early nvidias, the i810 in the x40 ...
[02:04] <daniels> fabbione: yes. what sort of dates -- start of november (to get it in hoary asap) or just before wartyconf?
[02:04] <cef> fabbione: oh I gave daniels somewhere between 8 and 12 video cards last night, and I've got more as well (including a Matrox G400 Dual head)
[02:04] <fabbione> i have 3 nvidia here + 1 ati + a trident and another one that i can't remember
[02:04] <fabbione> cef: oh ok
[02:04] <trukulo> i've got one ati IGP 320m at home
[02:05] <fabbione> daniels: beginning of november is ok with me
[02:05] <trukulo> very problematic
[02:05] <trukulo> daniels, don't you have one very similar in your laptop?
[02:05] <fabbione> daniels: it will give us more time to work in case of problems
[02:05] <daniels> trukulo: um, my laptop is dead :)
[02:05] <fabbione> cef, daniels: don't forget that my house will be a building site.. so we need to be careful handling hardware around.. specially for the dust
[02:06] <trukulo> daniels, ah, ok, i thought you had the same graphic target as me
[02:06] <fabbione> we don't want anything getting damaged by it
[02:06] <trukulo> so, enyway, i've got ATI IGP 320, if you need anything bout that, tell me
[02:07] <trukulo> umm, when you install ubuntu in spanish, it install OOo in english
[02:07] <cef> fabbione: well these are all second hand cards.. and not like I need em anymore
[02:07] <daniels> fabbione: right. stock up on anti-static bags ;)
[02:07] <daniels> trukulo: um, the laptop I used to have had a mach64
[02:07] <trukulo> no l10n package for spanish yet?
[02:08] <trukulo> daniels, so i was wrong bout that
[02:08] <daniels> trukulo: we've got 320 fairly well covered by keybuk
[02:08] <khalek> cef: you can only use so many cards at once also
[02:08] <daniels> who thoughtfully found a bug in my discover hack
[02:08] <trukulo> daniels, ok then
[02:08] <daniels> cef: red eye is love
[02:08] <jono> hi
[02:08] <khalek> red eye and video cards?
[02:08] <cef> khalek: yes, but when you're testing X, a large diverse number of cards = very good
[02:08] <khalek> cef: yes I meant reasons for you not keeping them
[02:08] <jono> I have a weird problem - I had ubuntu running fine, then when I rebooted the machine, gdm would not start, I typed startx and the screen goes all fuzzy - when I run startx as root it works fine - any idea?
[02:09] <cef> khalek: ahh .. heh
[02:09] <khalek> nm
[02:09] <Keybuk> well, I have an IGP340M, but I imagine they're similar enough
[02:09] <Kamion> Deft: yes, we've been using it in development
[02:09] <_axel> hi, i just finished installing but base-config didnt ask me for the root password (either that or i'm too tired and i didnt spot it / did something wrong), thing is i cant login as root now, what can i do?
[02:09] <Mithrandir> _axel: log in as yourself and use sudo
[02:09] <_axel> but sudo asks me for the password
[02:09] <cef> you shouldn't log in as root
[02:09] <Deft> your password
[02:09] <Keybuk> _axel: your password, not root's
[02:10] <cef> give it the users password
[02:10] <_axel> ah
[02:10] <jono> any idea how to fix this video problem
[02:10] <_axel> sec
[02:10] <Kamion> I should have thought to get the amd64 image ages ago, really
[02:10] <Deft> anyway, monitor autodetection didn't work for me, but it does with the normal debian installer, any thoughts where the problem is?
[02:10] <jono> is it something to do with /dev/pmu and incorrect permissions - what is /dev/pmu?
[02:11] <_axel> oh, it works
[02:11] <cef> ok.. I'm gonna go collapse.. got to work at 8am, left work at 9pm.. dead tired
[02:11] <Kamion> Deft: we use quite different monitor autodetection so the two aren't comparable; file an xresprobe bug, I guess
[02:11] <_axel> but isnt that like, insecure?
[02:11] <Deft> ok
[02:11] <Kamion> jono: /dev/pmu is the power management device on powermacs; the error dialog is a GNOME bug
[02:11] <_axel> or am i supposed to disable it in sudoers later?
[02:11] <daniels> cef: night dude, sleep well
[02:11] <cef> _axel: only applies to the first user
[02:11] <Kamion> _axel: no, the initial user generally is the person with physical access so has root anyway
[02:11] <daniels> jono: that X stuff sounds like random complete arse
[02:12] <jono> daniels, random complete arse? huh? :P
[02:12] <Kamion> _axel: you can of course disable it if this isn't true
[02:12] <jono> Kamion, ahhh right
[02:12] <Keybuk> _axel: sudo is as secure as su, some suggest more-so because you don't need a shared root password that can be "found out".  And the user created during install is the only one given sudo access by default, and they're the one that generally sets the root password anymore
[02:12] <_axel> Kamion, it isnt cause i created a foo user first (because my files in my $HOME partition have uid 1001 so i want them to match my real user when i create it)
[02:12] <_axel> but i'll sort it out, thanks
[02:12] <fabbione> cef: well .. it's still hardware to take car of
[02:12] <fabbione> care even
[02:13] <jono> daniels, any idea how I can fix it?
[02:13] <daniels> fabbione: heh
[02:13] <daniels> jono: no idea, sorry -- since they both use the same config file, it sounds impossible
[02:13] <daniels> meaning, i have no clue :)
[02:13] <jono> daniels, yeah - its weird
[02:13] <jono> I will reboot again
[02:13] <cef> fabbione: true. but now it's daniels's problem. *grin*
[02:14] <fabbione> cef: ahaha
[02:14] <_axel> should i have a 'Desktop preferences' submenu? cause i cant find it
[02:14] <rburton> _axel: under computer
[02:14] <Keybuk> _axel: under Computer
[02:14] <daniels> cef: heh
[02:14] <cef> SEP - someone elses problem
[02:15] <_axel> ah k
[02:15] <_axel> src brb
[02:16] <fabbione> cef: SNMP - simply not my problem :)
[02:16] <_axel> uhm, i have no 'computer'
[02:16] <cef> fabbione: heh .. I like that one
[02:17] <Kamion> wow, "jigdo" implemented with cat and rsync works surprisingly well
[02:17] <Keybuk> _axel: it should be the menu on the panel next to Applications
[02:17] <Kamion> (I had a complete amd64 mirror, just not the ISO ...)
[02:17] <trukulo> umm, it has x 4.3.99 isn't it?
[02:17] <rburton> _axel: sounds like you have not got the panel menu applet added
[02:17] <trukulo> or it's 4.3.0 ?
[02:18] <_axel> rburton: whats it called?
[02:18] <fabbione> trukulo: it's a 4.3.0 heavily patched
[02:18] <fabbione> almost at 4.4RC2
[02:19] <trukulo> fabbione, ah, ok, thanks for info
[02:20] <fabbione> trukulo: np :-)
[02:20] <trukulo> i'm trying to install it in qemu, under sarge, and i'm writing a little review in spanish about it
[02:21] <trukulo> in qemu, installation (i'm here) seems to work allright
[02:22] <fabbione> i don't think we ever tested a qemu installation..
[02:22] <JanneM> I have
[02:22] <trukulo> so i'm doing one
[02:22] <fabbione> trukulo: it would be nice if you can tell me how X will behave
[02:22] <JanneM> Im'm writing a howto right now
[02:22] <_axel> uhm, where do i tweak stuff so i can fetch normal debian packages? i need gossip and texmacsa
[02:22] <fabbione> JanneM: nice 
[02:23] <_axel> texmacs i mean
[02:23] <trukulo> fabbione, you can count with it
[02:23] <fabbione> _axel: just enable universe in your sources.list
[02:23] <trukulo> scrollkeeper is taking a LOT of time to be configured here
[02:23] <fabbione> trukulo: thanks
[02:23] <JanneM> works fine, though not very fast
[02:23] <fabbione> trukulo: yes. all our documentation is registered
[02:23] <JanneM> trukulo: took me well over an hour
[02:23] <trukulo> ok
[02:23] <trukulo> JanneM, similar here, then
[02:23] <JanneM> mm
[02:24] <JanneM> I was afraid it had hung or something
[02:24] <Kamion> scrollkeeper's inordinately slow; research into whether it can be speeded up would be appreciated
[02:24] <trukulo> because i'm working at the same time i'm installing it
[02:24] <_axel> will i be able to use the nvidia drivers easily under ubuntu?
[02:25] <fabbione> _axel: that
[02:25] <fabbione> _axel: that's what i am working on right now :-)
[02:25] <Mayday> install question: can i install to a partition without formating it first?
[02:25] <_axel> heh
[02:25] <fabbione> _axel: for the preview release is a bit rough.. for final there should be a simple command like: nvidia enable or nvidia disable
[02:25] <_axel> fabbione: hurry up, i will need my daily fix of Enemy Territory soon ;)
[02:26] <mjg59> Mayday: The installer will format the partition during install, but it needs to be formatted at some point
[02:26] <fabbione> _axel: it won't be in the archive before monday or tuesday. i need to test it heavily
[02:26] <_axel> fabbione: any website / mailing list or whatever where i can find progress updates or whatever? 
[02:26] <trukulo> Mayday, i think you can, but i'm not sure
[02:26] <Kamion> Mayday: what do you mean by "install to"?
[02:26] <mjg59> Mayday: Or do you mean you have a partition that's already formatted? That shouldn't be a problem
[02:26] <fabbione> _axel: in the meanwhile you can install linux-restricted-modules and nvidia-glx
[02:26] <fabbione> _axel: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to enable the nvidia driver
[02:26] <Kamion> Mayday: do you mean mounting a previously created /home partition or something?
[02:27] <trukulo> starting GDM in qemu right now
[02:27] <fabbione> _axel: echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia
[02:27] <Kamion> Mayday: if you're talking about the / partition, it must be formatted first
[02:27] <fabbione> _axel: that's what you need to do
[02:27] <_axel> fabbione: k
[02:27] <Kamion> (the installer will do that if it's told to do so, as previously mentioned)
[02:27] <Mayday> Kamion: hda: boot hdb:ntfs hdc:reiserfs hdd:swap
[02:27] <fabbione> _axel: there are mailing lists (see topic) but i don't post on a daily base like: "addeded 20 lines to this script or that one" ;)
[02:28] <trukulo> fabbione, seems right, X starts
[02:28] <fabbione> _axel: i usually do an announce or something when the time is good
[02:28] <fabbione> trukulo: did you get any question?
[02:28] <fabbione> trukulo: about X config
[02:28] <trukulo> yes :) user
[02:28] <trukulo> no, bout config only resolution
[02:28] <trukulo> nothing more
[02:29] <fabbione> trukulo: good.. i was expecting only one since qemu uses a VESA amulation
[02:29] <fabbione> emulation even
[02:29] <trukulo> yes
[02:29] <fabbione> ok back to work :-)
[02:29] <trukulo> so only that question, resolution
[02:29] <Mayday> Kamion: i want to install to hdc without formating it so i can keep my /home directory intact
[02:29] <trukulo> if you want anything more, tell me
[02:29] <fabbione> trukulo: not for me.. thanks a lot!
[02:29] <julien> hi, I'm interested in ubuntu distrib
[02:30] <julien> but I want to know if there some .deb or rpm or special packet for ubuntu
[02:30] <jdub> julien: ubuntu is based on debian
[02:30] <JanneM> I tried to set the resolution higher than 1024x768, but apparently the virtual hardware won't allow it
[02:31] <julien> this I know, so bassically we could use some .deb with it?
[02:31] <jdub> julien: most of what you'll need is included in ubuntu,
[02:31] <jdub> julien: either supported (in main) or unsupported (in universe)
[02:31] <jdub> julien: we don't recommend mixing and matching packages
[02:31] <Deft> does that include libdvdcss2?
[02:32] <Rambler_> jdub : unsupported packages don't get bug fixes ?
[02:32] <julien> you mean in .deb or compil?
[02:32] <jdub> Deft: nah, that's okay (i have it here)
[02:32] <jdub> Rambler_: we don't concentrate on them too much, but we're very open to fixes and so on from the community :_)
[02:33] <Rambler_> jdub : are you an ubuntu employee ? (well, the company that supports ubuntu whose name I don't remember)
[02:33] <jdub> Rambler_: things like build fixes and so on would be great
[02:33] <jdub> Rambler_: yeah, canonical
[02:33] <Rambler_> that's it
[02:33] <Rambler_> nice to have canonical staff on the irc support channel
[02:33] <jdub> lots of us here :-)
[02:33] <Rambler_> I must admin that ubuntu looks GREAT
[02:33] <ggi> What goes into universe? I keep looking for random packages I use on Debian and not finding them.
[02:34] <jdub> Deft: the stuff in christian marillat's proprietary/scary media repository seem to work okay
[02:34] <Rambler_> I've been using debian for years and the thing that pisses me off more is the long periods of time of the stable distro, and the lack of commercial support. Both things can be found in ubuntu while maintaining the debian philosophy. Definitely great. Congrats dudes
[02:34] <jdub> ggi: universe is pretty much everything in debian's main that is not in our main
[02:34] <jdub> ggi: some stuff does not build correctly
[02:35] <ggi> jdub: Ah. What I was just looking for would probably be included in contrib.
[02:35] <Zomb> Rambler_: commercial support? ;)
[02:35] <jdub> aha, yeah
[02:35] <Rambler_> Zomb, doesn't canonical provide paying support for ubuntu ?
[02:36] <kalis> hmm... why isn't smb share browsing working in my freshly installed Ubuntu? entering a path like smb://user:pass@server/share does not work here... ;)
[02:37] <julien> could we use apt-get for ubuntu or special command?
[02:37] <Zomb> Rambler_: ?? You can hire a consultant / support company for Debian, there is a list in the Debian docs
[02:37] <ggi> Yeah, it is in contrib, now I check. Does universe not include the contrib stuff at all?
[02:37] <Rambler_> Zomb, I know but they're not "official" you know ... they're not like red hat enterprise ones. And I thought canonical was providing this service
[02:38] <trukulo> julien, apt-get
[02:38] <jdub> ggi: no
[02:39] <jdub> Rambler_: yes
[02:39] <jdub> julien: it's just like debian :-)
[02:39] <Rambler_> jdub, yes what ? :-)
[02:39] <jdub> julien: because it's based on debian :-)
[02:39] <jdub> Rambler_: commercial support
[02:39] <Rambler_> jdub, oh, I see
[02:39] <Loduriel> hi
[02:39] <Rambler_> nice
[02:40] <Rambler_> see ya
[02:40] <julien> a parle franais ici?
[02:40] <trukulo> umm, jdub isn't it a good idea put apt-watch by default in a panel?
[02:40] <julien> est-ce que je peux installaer ubuntu du net
[02:40] <julien> et switcher une dbian PPC?
[02:41] <Clint> julien: oui
[02:41] <Loduriel> oh! y'a des francais...
[02:41] <jdub> trukulo: you can if you want, we'll have a solution for that in Hoary
[02:41] <trukulo> no, i mean, i know i can
[02:41] <trukulo> i ask if it would be a good idea for ubuntu
[02:41] <trukulo> by default
[02:42] <trukulo> i know how to make it, i'm used to work with sid a lot, so ubuntu for me it's very easy to tweak
[02:42] <trukulo> but i mean, will be good for ubuntu apt-watch by default?
[02:42] <jdub> trukulo: we chose not to use apt-watch, but we'll have something like it in Hoary
[02:43] <trukulo> jdub, ah, ok
[02:43] <trukulo> ah, if any of you want a spanish personal review of ubuntu, here you have mine:
[02:43] <trukulo> http://mercurio.homeip.net/blog/32/
[02:45] <Deft_u> is oss mixer emulation going to be a permanent feature?
[02:45] <jdub> imbecilidades 8)
[02:46] <trukulo> jdub, i said, personal review :)
[02:46] <koke> :D
[02:46] <trukulo> i prefer term "gilipolleces"
[02:46] <jdub> Deft: depends how well apps/libs start using alsa
[02:46] <koke> trukulo: gilipolleces suena mejor :)
[02:46] <jdub> estoy buscando mis pantalones  <- my only spanish :)
[02:46] <trukulo> it means "arsehole things, more less"
[02:46] <koke> :D
[02:46] <JanneM> ok, I have a first draft of a howto for using qemu - any suggestions what I do with it?
[02:46] <trukulo> koke, suelto las dos
[02:46] <trukulo> :)
[02:46] <Deft_u> jdub: is there someway to remove it from gnome-volume-control in the mean time?
[02:46] <JanneM> send to the mailing list?
[02:47] <trukulo> JanneM, if you want hosting or a web to write it, tell me
[02:47] <trukulo> i'm webmaster of Barcelona Lug
[02:47] <jdub> JanneM: perhaps mail -users?
[02:47] <whiprush> anyone remember the release date for warty final? My brain is dead and I can't find it on the site.
[02:47] <trukulo> so we can put in our page, we have 3 official languages
[02:47] <JanneM> wellmm
[02:47] <trukulo> spanish, catalan and english
[02:47] <jdub> Deft_u: oh, no unfortunately
[02:48] <jdub> Deft_u: i believe that will be fixed in gnome 2.10
[02:48] <jdub> Deft_u: so will be much nicer in hoary :)
[02:48] <JanneM> trukulo: since you have done the same install, you probably have a lot to add to it
[02:48] <Kamion> whiprush: 13 October
[02:48] <whiprush> thanks
[02:48] <trukulo> probably, so if you want, put it on our web, you're very wellcome
[02:48] <Kamion> whiprush: (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fReleaseSchedule)
[02:48] <Deft_u> cool, ok, next thing, could x11 not xv be made the default gstreamer sink for cards/drivers with no video acceleration?
[02:48] <JanneM> sure
[02:48] <trukulo> it's drupal , so you can register and send the article very easy
[02:48] <trukulo> http://badopi.org
[02:49] <trukulo> you can use it in english
[02:49] <JanneM> um
[02:49] <trukulo> now, i have to go home, time for lunch
[02:51] <trukulo> see you later
[02:51] <lenkki> Any one of the developers here ?
[02:52] <lenkki> Might I suggest the use of a separate /boot partition, and reiserfs3 (or reiser4) for '/' ?
[02:53] <rburton> as reiser3 is deprecated and reiser4 isn't finished, that sounds like a bad idea to me
[02:53] <Ycros> I thought reiser4 was finished?
[02:53] <Kamion> lenkki: The defaults are best left vanilla, we think; ReiserFS and XFS both have both very vocal advocates and very vocal detractors, so choosing either by default would be likely to annoy a lot of people.
[02:54] <Kamion> lenkki: You can set it up as you like with the manual partitioner, of course.
[02:54] <lenkki> I used the auto partitioner 
[02:54] <rburton> it would be nice if bash completion was on by default, should i file a bug or will it be closed?
[02:54] <kalis> Isn't KDE included in the ubuntu APT repositories?
[02:55] <kalis> ;)
[02:55] <lenkki> I have to say that I'm actually quite impressed by ubuntu everything just worked :) 
[02:55] <JanneM> will be, I think
[02:55] <rburton> kalis: uncomment universe in  sources.list
[02:55] <kalis> rburton: Oooh! Thanks...
[02:56] <Kamion> rburton: sourcing the bash completion script slows down starting a shell by a good second for me :(
[02:56] <rburton> Kamion: there is that :/
[02:56] <lenkki> but I woun't be leaving gentoo just yet, I love portage, and I'm somewhat skeptic about apt-get the memories from older debian releases still lives on in my mind..
[02:57] <azeem> apt-get used to rock much more relatively back then
[02:57] <Kamion> ouch, I have 34 bugs. when did that happen?
[02:57] <azeem> if you are not talking about bo or so, of course
[02:58] <rburton> i predict most portage "lovers" will dislike ubuntu
[02:58] <will|werk> the installer dislikes my dual dvi card, if anyone cares
[02:59] <lenkki> I don't dislike ubuntu, actually I would recommend it to my friends who wants to try linux... but I just can't part with portage <3
[02:59] <Kamion> will|werk: what happened?
[02:59] <kalis> HAHA! I think my gnome session just crashed, big time. All applications i start, the start as two terminals, two synaptics, two gedit's and so on ;)
[03:00] <will|werk> Kamion: X fails to find any displays
[03:00] <will|werk> i presume that its looking for analouge ones
[03:00] <will|werk> i have an xfx nvidia 6800GT dual dvi
[03:00] <Kamion> will|werk: Fabio posted some instructions on ubuntu-users recently with what he needs to debug this kind of problem; search for "xresprobe"
[03:00] <will|werk> ah cool
[03:00] <Kamion> although replace "ati" with "nv" I guess
[03:02] <will|werk> i've had this problem before with x when i had a dvi+d-sub card, when i was installing a different distro (when i had my monitor on the dvi port)
[03:02] <will|werk> i had to hack up several config files for my dvi output to work
[03:02] <will|werk> but i am a total newb
[03:03] <will|werk> so i guess its the same problem, just i can't default to an analouge output
[03:05] <will|werk> i have been instructed on how to install the official nvidia driver
[03:05] <will|werk> so i think that should solve it
[03:05] <will|werk> when i get home
[03:06] <felix> well, i got a bit further with h/w 3d nvidia drivers on amd64 now...
[03:07] <will|werk> its a shame that you can't bundle the official drivers on the CD
[03:07] <felix> anyone know if the /usr/lib64 /usr/lib32 etc layout is kinda 'standard' on ubunto for amd64?
[03:07] <felix> I think you can, just not Free
[03:07] <Mithrandir> felix: what do you mean by standard?
[03:08] <will|werk> yeah, thats what i mean felix
[03:08] <felix> well, the nvidia installer seems to expect something different, puts 32bit libs in /lib
[03:08] <Mithrandir> then it's stupid.
[03:08] <felix> aye will
[03:08] <Mithrandir> though, it might work.
[03:09] <felix> nah, had to unpack and do it myself
[03:09] <Mithrandir> felix: it'll stay that until we/debian/I implement multiarch which will solve the issue In The Right Way.
[03:09] <felix> ahhh. deadrat etc do that now?
[03:09] <beezly> will|werk: you get the nvidia driver to work?
[03:09] <will|werk> beezly: still at work
[03:09] <azeem> felix: who is deadrat?
[03:09] <felix> well mostly, textures are all screwy in wolf-et
[03:09] <will|werk> just slacking off
[03:09] <Mithrandir> felix: I don't know what RH/FC do.
[03:09] <Zomb> Mithrandir: the right way costs too much manpower
[03:09] <mxpxpod> has anyone else using ppc had problems with their machine hanging on shutdown?
[03:09] <Mithrandir> Zomb: no, it doesn't.
[03:10] <felix> er that's redhat azeem
[03:10] <felix> =)
[03:10] <Mithrandir> Zomb: the right solution is probably < 3 man months to implement.
[03:10] <mxpxpod> mine hangs when it gets to "Unmounting local drives..."
[03:10] <Zomb> Mithrandir: then ubuntu will be the first Debian release with amd64 support ;)
[03:11] <Mithrandir> Zomb: ubuntu _is_ the first Debian(derived) release with amd64 support.
[03:11] <Mithrandir> TTBOMK, at least.
[03:12] <azeem> Mithrandir: you haven't released yet, no?
[03:12] <Zomb> oh
[03:12] <Zomb> Mithrandir: is it based on pure64?
[03:12] <Mithrandir> azeem: preview release, then.
[03:12] <Mithrandir> Zomb: somewhat, yes.
[03:12] <Mithrandir> Zomb: we've taken patches from pure64, but we've also done some things ourselves.
[03:13] <felix> whatever you did, it works very well I must say. thanks!
[03:13] <Mithrandir> ia32-libs and openoffice.org are done by me, for instance.
[03:13] <Mithrandir> since the ia32-libs in debian is unsuitable.
[03:13] <azeem> Mithrandir: okie :)
[03:13] <Mithrandir> it doesn't include source.
[03:13] <azeem> Mithrandir: was just checking, but it seems Progeny doesn't do amd64 these days
[03:13] <Zomb> s,es,ed,
[03:14] <Mithrandir> Zomb: I've been NMU-ing stuff in Debian as well as working on ubuntu, Kamion has been doing d-i work while working on ubuntu, lamont has driven his buildds as usual; that we include a bunch of DDs doesn't mean they stop working on Debian.
[03:15] <jdub> lots of patches being generated :)
[03:15] <Mithrandir> jdub: that as well.
[03:15] <jdub> pbor: dude :)
[03:16] <jdub> pbor: nice to see you here :)
[03:16] <mxpxpod> ok, why does evolution want to spawn a new spamd instance when it checks my mail?
[03:16] <delYsid> Oh well, yet another fork.
[03:16] <Mithrandir> delYsid: but one giving a lot back.
[03:16] <jdub> mxpxpod: for junk checking
[03:16] <tseng> mxpxpod: you can tell it to use the daemon iirc
[03:16] <delYsid> lets hope that.
[03:16] <jdub> mxpxpod: you can turn it off
[03:16] <jdub> delYsid: it's already very much that :)
[03:16] <mxpxpod> jdub: I want it to check junk, but it shouldn't spawn a new process if I have spamd running already
[03:17] <jdub> mxpxpod: it uses a user-spamd for some reason
[03:17] <Mithrandir> delYsid: http://www.no-name-yet.com/patches/
[03:17] <delYsid> At least from just browsing the Packages file, I found a crazy bug :-)
[03:17] <rburton> mxpxpod: it used to do some weird checking for the system spamd and was very picky
[03:17] <pbor> jdub: warty looks great... I'll test it out a bit on my desktop (I'm not yet used to debian) and then I'll prolly go for it also on the laptop
[03:17] <kalis> When i start a application from the gnome menu it starts multiple instances of it. Is this a bug that anybody else has?
[03:17] <mxpxpod> rburton: suck...
[03:17] <jdub> pbor: cool!
[03:17] <Mithrandir> delYsid: what bug?
[03:18] <tseng> id like it to connect to spamd on another box
[03:19] <Zomb> Mithrandir: though, Sarge is not released. Ask you why. Ask you about what can be done to change the situtation. Ubuntu derivate is nice and has deserved its place under the sun but after all, we are Debian developers and should force the main distro into a releaseable state. And not play around with other stuff and let the sinking ship sink, deeper and deeper.
[03:19] <dieman> fix the social issues and you might see more willing workers :)
[03:20] <dieman> ie: flamewar every disagrement
[03:20] <Mithrandir> Zomb: I'm working on Debian, but that doesn't pay the mortage.
[03:20] <Zomb> or we simply realize that Debian is fscked up by its design and recreate the whole distro with a smaller set of packages. Like ubuntu.
[03:20] <dieman> and GR every time the flamewar happens
[03:20] <dieman> thats totally depressing
[03:20] <Mithrandir> dieman: you are exaggerating a bit, though
[03:20] <dieman> ok, i guess.
[03:20] <jdub> Zomb: hrm, i think you'll find that the contribution back from ubuntu development has assisted sarge quite a lot.
[03:20] <dieman> but its annoying.
[03:21] <Mithrandir> dieman: on that I agree :)
[03:21] <jdub> Zomb: we're all working on debian, in work time and play time. :)
[03:22] <mxpxpod> hrmm... the spamd check worked in debian... why not on ubuntu...
[03:23] <Mithrandir> Zomb: trust me, I run a bunch of servers with Debian on them, and I would _very much_ want to see sarge out the door soon.
[03:25] <Kamion> Zomb: you're not the only person thinking about this.
[03:25] <Kamion> Zomb: the fact that I have a different day job now which happens to involve Debian doesn't mean that I'm not working on Debian in my spare time any more; I used to have a day job which *didn't* involve Debian.
[03:26] <jdub> pbor: yep :)
[03:26] <jdub> Kamion: we have a joke in gnome
[03:26] <pbor> jdub: thanks... I'm a deb noob :)
[03:26] <jdub> 8 hours work, 8 hours gnome, 8 hours sleep
[03:26] <jdub> Kamion: which ends up being 16 hours gnome for a lot of people :)
[03:27] <Kamion> jdub: :-)
[03:27] <jdub> (sometimes it's easy to forget that)
[03:27] <matlads> heh
[03:27] <delYsid> Mithrandir: Ripping out 'brltty' makes 'libbrlapi' unusable.
[03:27] <Mithrandir> delYsid: pardon?
[03:28] <delYsid> The Packages file only has libbrlapi, but not brltty.
[03:28] <Mithrandir> it's in universe, I guess, then
[03:28] <delYsid> ahhhh
[03:28] <delYsid> oh well, I know why I initially didn't want to dive into this...
[03:29] <delYsid> better keep my mouth shut if I dont get things
[03:29] <Mithrandir> delYsid: no, please point out things, though you might stumble over non-bugs, you might just as well stumble over bugs as well, and we would very much like those fixed.
[03:29] <mxpxpod> jdub: where do you work?
[03:30] <jdub> mxpxpod: little professional services company called canonical
[03:30] <xcasex> *grin*
[03:30] <mxpxpod> jdub: located in .au, I would guess
[03:30] <delYsid> Mithrandir: I'm afraid I already have too many undone things in Debian already...
[03:30] <whiprush> hey xcasex, you try the ppc disc yet?
[03:30] <jdub> mxpxpod: isle of man, as it happens
[03:30] <jdub> hey xcasex 
[03:31] <ajmitch_> there wouldn't happen to be an .nz mirror for downloading, would there? :)
[03:31] <mxpxpod> jdub: I'd like to find a company where I could work on GNOME all day long :)
[03:31] <xcasex> heya jdub, whiprush 
[03:31] <jdub> so would i ;)
[03:31] <xcasex> whiprush, yeah works like a charm :)
[03:31] <mxpxpod> jdub: hehe
[03:31] <rburton> jdub: you love being release bitch, admit it
[03:32] <mxpxpod> rburton: where do you work?
[03:32] <rburton> mxpxpod: small startup in london
[03:32] <jdub> s/release/ross's/
[03:32] <rburton> jdub: haha
[03:32] <whiprush> xcasex: if you get a chance can you blog about it? or post somewhere? I need to make a decision on a laptop soon and I'm strongly considering ppc.
[03:32] <xcasex> whiprush, Definetly :)
[03:32] <mxpxpod> rburton: and do you work on linux/gnome stuff all day?
[03:32] <whiprush> woo.
[03:33] <rburton> mxpxpod: i wish!
[03:33] <jdub> whiprush: dude, so i bought this dell x300
[03:33] <jdub> whiprush: it's pretty rad
[03:33] <mxpxpod> xcasex: have you had a problem with shutting down your ibook? mine hangs at "Unmounting local filesystems..."
[03:33] <whiprush> oh man, we bought like 30 of those for work.
[03:33] <jdub> mxpxpod: ross works on javur
[03:33] <xcasex> mxpxpod, nope :)
[03:33] <whiprush> you get the extended battery?
[03:33] <rburton> mxpxpod: i've spent the last week wondering why a smartcard chip isn't responding to a reset
[03:33] <rburton> jdub: and embedded
[03:33] <jdub> whiprush: one of each
[03:33] <mxpxpod> rburton: fun stuff
[03:33] <whiprush> good good.
[03:33] <whiprush> yeah those things are great, our users love them.
[03:33] <jdub> whiprush: only bummer is acpi stuff needs weird aml/dsdt hacking
[03:34] <jdub> but otherwise it's cool
[03:34] <whiprush> we got the media bay with burners for them and everything.
[03:34] <whiprush> no 6 pin firewire is a bummer, but it's hard to find pc laptops that have it. :-/
[03:35] <whiprush> off to work bbl.
[03:36] <jdub> rburton: javur is embedded. up my ar--
[03:37] <rburton> jdub: the java i do runs on desktops, i deal with the embedded assembler. oh what fun.
[03:37] <tseng> i just uploaded an f-spot package
[03:37] <jdub> tseng: rad!
[03:37] <tseng> having trouble with monodevelop
[03:37] <tseng> got all the deps updated, but it fails to build
[03:38] <mxpxpod> tseng: what's your repo's address?
[03:38] <tseng>  deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./
[03:38] <tseng> you need universe also
[03:38] <tseng> apt-get install blam muine f-spot
[03:39] <mxpxpod> tseng: powerpc?
[03:39] <tseng> haha no
[03:39] <mxpxpod> suck
[03:39] <tseng> i dont have one
[03:39] <tseng> currently accepting donations of powerbooks
[03:39] <mxpxpod> there aren't mono-mcs or mono-assemblies-arch debs in the ubuntu universe repo
[03:40] <tseng> they are in mine
[03:40] <tseng> if you have an i386 that is
[03:40] <mxpxpod> tseng: :P
[03:40] <mwh_> Hi, I have a little problem installing ubuntu-preview, after first reboot my machine halts just after Setting the System Clock using the Hardware Clock as a reference
[03:40] <tseng> for the low price of a new powerbook, ill build them on ppc for you
[03:40] <mwh_> hmm a ctrl-c helped
[03:40] <mxpxpod> tseng: haha, riiiight
[03:41] <beezly> tseng: cross-compile? :)
[03:41] <tseng> beezly: hah
[03:41] <tseng> ccx sucks
[03:41] <tseng> besides, id need to test the packages :)
[03:41] <beezly> ah, ofcourse
[03:43] <Zomb> Kamion: you are right. In fact, under the same circumstances I would do the same thing - look for a Debian related full-time job.
[03:44] <azeem> the option not to copy everything over is archive-copy=false, right?
[03:45] <jdub> tseng: had to use libgtkhtml3.0?
[03:45] <Kamion> azeem: archive-copier/copy=false
[03:45] <azeem> ah, thx
[03:45] <tseng> jdub: hmm i dont believe so
[03:45] <tseng> i didnt have to build anything special for f-spot
[03:46] <jdub> tseng: it's in universe, later libgtkhtml3.x packages are in main
[03:46] <tseng> hmm i used what was on my system
[03:46] <mwh_> it could be great if the user could be asked if the time should be set from the hwclock or the internet during install
[03:46] <jdub> hrm, f-spot has no icon...?
[03:47] <rburton> mwh_: ubuntu installs ntpdate which syncs automatically on boot
[03:47] <Kamion> rburton: interestingly, though, ntpdate runs before pcmcia
[03:48] <rburton> Kamion: urgh :)
[03:48] <Kamion> so, if you have a pcmcia network card, you're out of luck ...
[03:48] <tseng> jdub: i have libgtkhtml3.0-4
[03:49] <mwh_> rburton: o.k. it did not work during this install .. my computer stalled, and to get going I needed to press ctrl-c 
[03:49] <mwh_> then the ntpdate program failed
[03:49] <mwh_> anyways maybe it works better next time I install
[03:49] <JanneM> I can boot without network
[03:50] <JanneM> doesn't hang
[03:50] <JanneM> ntp fails, but nothing fatal
[03:50] <mwh_> well my problem is with my computer-clock, it cannot be set
[03:50] <mwh_> so whenever some program tries to set the hwclock that program just stalls
[03:50] <koke> what about backgrounding it, like dhcpo?
[03:50] <koke> dhcp, sorry
[03:51] <mwh_> I use ntp to set the time on my laptop each time I boot
[03:51] <mwh_> unfortunatly that failed for some reason during my install
[03:51] <Kamion> koke: hm, risky, I can imagine programs getting confused by the time randomly changing under them
[03:52] <azeem> is there a way to mount an unrelated partition over VT2? /dev does not seem to have disk nodes...
[03:53] <jdub> tseng: Filename: pool/universe/g/gtkhtml3.0/libgtkhtml3.0-4_3.0.10-1_i386.deb
[03:53] <azeem> during 1st-stage install, that is
[03:53] <rburton> azeem: its devfs, so /dev/ide/... 
[03:53] <azeem> oh, you're using udev devfs like?
[03:53] <azeem> thx
[03:53] <koke> Kamion: yep, like xscreensaver ;)
[03:54] <tuggy> hi
[03:54] <mwh_> are all languages available after install?
[03:55] <mwh_> Like can I switch between them?
[03:55] <Robar> I have a quick kinda newbie question about the install, could someone possibly help me out?
[03:55] <jdub> Robar: for sure, fire away
[03:56] <Kamion> azeem: actually, the installer really uses devfs at the moment, not udev
[03:56] <azeem> yeah, I've noticed
[03:56] <Robar> When I installed, I had to use the noapic and nolapic option, or else the installer would hang before it got to the language detections screen.
[03:56] <Robar> After a successful install, the system reboot, I get "Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernel." And then it hangs, it won't go any further.
[03:57] <Kamion> Robar: the noapic and nolapic options don't currently get copied into your grub configuration
[03:57] <Kamion> Robar: it's on my list of things to fix before final release
[03:57] <Robar> That's what I was wondering... I know how to edit grub before boot, but what/where do I add those options?
[03:57] <Kamion> Robar: in the meantime, press escape at the countdown to get the grub menu, and edit the kernel line of the topmost menu entry, adding 'noapic nolapic' to the end
[03:58] <Kamion> then 'b' to boot into that
[03:58] <Riddell> jdub: installer problem I mentioned to you http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/ubuntu-installer.png
[03:58] <Robar> Oh, awesome, that worked. 
[03:58] <Robar> Thank you Kamion so much.
[03:58] <Kamion> Robar: you're welcome
[03:59] <azeem> Robar: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to make it permanent
[03:59] <jdub> Riddell: Kamion should be able to help
[03:59] <Kamion> Riddell: installing from CD? looks like it might be a dodgy burn, high-speed writes have been known to be problematic sometimes
[03:59] <azeem> or will Grub save it automatically\
[03:59] <Robar> Okay, thanks azeem.
[03:59] <azeem> ?
[03:59] <Kamion> azeem: don't think so
[03:59] <stoffel> hello, i have two problems with ubuntu (warning: i'm rather new to linux):
[03:59] <stoffel> (1) sound doesn't work
[03:59] <Kamion> (though you might be able to tell it to, I don't know grub all *that* well)
[04:00] <Riddell> Kamion: that would make sense, not a very clear error message then
[04:00] <stoffel> (2) when selecting windows in grub, i get "ntldr not found"
[04:00] <azeem> hmm, pressing ctrl+alt+del during bootup results in base-config sitting there and not accepting any input. The box doesn't reboot either
[04:02] <stoffel> i have a ES13
[04:02] <stoffel> 71
[04:02] <Kamion> Riddell: yeah, sorry about that, it really means "retrieve" rather than "download"
[04:03] <sivang> Kamion : is there anything known about yesterday's daily not finishin install?
[04:03] <sivang> Kamion : I got "ld got spanwed to quickly" again,
[04:03] <Riddell> Kamion: should I submit a report to bugs.ubuntu?
[04:03] <Kamion> sivang: not been paying much attention to dailies I'm afraid, I'd be somewhat amazed if anything significant had changed since warty preview release though
[04:03] <rburton> should X load .Xdefaults when it starts?
[04:04] <Kamion> Riddell: guess so, yeah, we can at least make the message clearer
[04:04] <Kamion> Riddell: package base-installer, assign to cjwatson@canonical.com
[04:04] <sivang> Kamio : where can i get the log of pkg installations ?
[04:04] <Kamion> sivang: note that the daily builds haven't been being synced recently anyway, due to problems with the torrents
[04:04] <sivang> Kamion :  where can i get the log of pkg installations ?
[04:04] <Kamion> sivang: what do you mean?
[04:05] <sivang> Kamion : well, i've gone past base install ok
[04:05] <sivang> Kamion : i just want to see some evidance to what happend on the logs files,
[04:05] <Kamion> sivang: /var/log/messages then; if you've already rebooted, /var/log/debian-installer/messages and /var/log/base-config.log
[04:06] <Zomb> rburton: Xsession loads .Xresources, not .Xdefaults (iirc)
[04:06] <Kamion> no rush, I'm going out to buy cables shortly anyway
[04:06] <sivang> Kamion : i'll  mail you the results, so far i havn't managed to found evidance to what happened on the logs ilfes
[04:07] <sivang> Kamion : what kind of cables ? :)
[04:07] <sivang> Kamio : CAT-5 ?
[04:07] <Kamion> no, computer<->monitor power
[04:07] <tuggy> err... sorry, why cant i execute any files i download from the internet?
[04:08] <will|werk> tuggy: chmod +x filename ?
[04:08] <tuggy> done it
[04:08] <Kamion> tuggy: you forgot to 'chmod +x' them?
[04:08] <tuggy> ./command only gives me "permission denied"
[04:08] <Kamion> tuggy: is the filesystem they're on mounted noexec?
[04:08] <Kamion> (or 'user', which implies noexec?)
[04:08] <tuggy> . ./command gives me "bash: ELF
[04:08] <tuggy> i dont think so
[04:08] <Kamion> . ./command definitely wouldn't work
[04:08] <sivang> Kamion : rsync is proven to do that sync thingy good right? (I try to speculate if this is something wrong with the iso download)
[04:08] <Kamion> sivang: rsync's fine
[04:08] <Mithrandir> tuggy: chmod +x command ; ./command, then?
[04:09] <Kamion> Mithrandir: 15:08 < tuggy> ./command only gives me "permission denied"
[04:09] <Zomb> Bad interpreter? Wrong libc?
[04:09] <Kamion> tuggy: what does 'mount' list for the filesystem you're on?
[04:09] <tuggy> oh yeah.. noxec
[04:09] <tuggy> :/
[04:09] <tuggy> but its not on fstab
[04:10] <azeem> oh, is it *that* what the g-v-m option is good for?
[04:10] <tuggy> how do we remove noexec?
[04:10] <Zomb> is there a .jigdo file for the ubuntu images?
[04:10] <sivang> Kamion : i'll rsync back to release then.
[04:10] <azeem> I always though it was about running some commands by default, like Windows does for CD-ROMs
[04:10] <Zomb> because my internet traffic is expensive, access to the local Sid/Sarge mirror is not
[04:10] <mxpxpod> is there a planet for ubuntu?
[04:11] <azeem> tuggy: try configuration->Removable Storage and click on 'Run programs on removable media'
[04:11] <azeem> tuggy: dunno if that works though
[04:11] <Mithrandir> Zomb: afaik, no.  Talk to Kamion. :)
[04:11] <Robar> I have an NTFS volume that I want to read files from. I can mount it, but only the root user can read the volume. Is there a way to enable a normal user to mount and read an NTFS volume?
[04:12] <azeem> Zomb: they have rebuilt main, they don't use the official Debian packages
[04:12] <stoffel> i get "/dev/dsp doesn't exist" when trying to play sound... what could i do?
[04:12] <Mithrandir> Robar: mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt -o uid=$you_uid
[04:12] <Zomb> azeem: urgs. Reduces the reuseability a lot.
[04:12] <Mithrandir> stoffel: is alsa-base installed?
[04:13] <stoffel> i think yes, but let's look
[04:13] <tritium> tuggy, it needs to be in fstab for g-v-m to work the way you want.
[04:13] <stoffel> Mithrandir: yes
[04:13] <azeem> tritium: no, fstab is handled/wrapped by pmount
[04:13] <azeem> tritium: AFAIK
[04:13] <Mithrandir> stoffel: what sound card do you have?
[04:13] <Robar> Thank you Mithrandir.
[04:14] <tuggy> tritium, it is in fstab
[04:14] <stoffel> ES1371
[04:14] <tuggy> but this shouldnt have anything to do with g-v-m
[04:14] <tuggy> is just a normal partition
[04:14] <Kamion> Zomb: we'll be doing jigdo, but it's not set up yet
[04:14] <Kamion> Zomb: however, a local sid/sarge mirror wouldn't help you anyway
[04:15] <tritium> azeem, I'm just reading what the README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/gnome-volume-manager says
[04:15] <Kamion> Zomb: (oh yeah, azeem said that)
[04:15] <azeem> tritium: it's not updated I guess
[04:15] <Mithrandir> stoffel: is the snd-ens1371 module loaded?
[04:15] <azeem> tritium: file a bug
[04:15] <Kamion> persuade the local mirror admins to mirror warty too :)
[04:15] <Robar> Zomb: Have you tried the torrent? It downloaded the entire image in less then an hour for me.
[04:15] <Kamion> Robar: that wouldn't help with traffic costs
[04:15] <stoffel> Mithrandir: how do i check (sorry, i'm new to linux)
[04:15] <Mithrandir> stoffel: lsmod | grep snd-ens1371
[04:16] <Robar> Sorry, guess I wasn't paying attention to what he wanted.
[04:16] <Mithrandir> stoffel: if that returns anything, then you have the module loaded.
[04:16] <stoffel> Mithrandir: no...
[04:16] <Kamion> tuggy: well, 'mount -o remount,exec <mount point>' would remove noexec temporarily
[04:16] <Mithrandir> stoffel: if you try to run modprobe snd-ens1371 , does that work?
[04:16] <stoffel> Mithrandir: wait: snd_ens1371 return
[04:16] <Kamion> the g-v-m option's more permanent though
[04:17] <Robar> You guys are sending out free pressed CDs though, aren't you
[04:17] <Mithrandir> stoffel: hm, a bit weird, then.
[04:17] <Kamion> yes
[04:17] <Kamion> Robar: shipit.ubuntulinux.org
[04:17] <Mithrandir> stoffel: could you run dmesg | less and cut and paste anything looking like it has anything to do with the sound card in a /msg to me?
[04:17] <Robar> Zomb could use that if he's willing to wait a little bit.
[04:17] <beezly> Kamion: haha I misread that as shitpit.ubuntulinux.org
[04:17] <Mithrandir> stoffel: arrows to scroll, q to quit less.
[04:18] <beezly> Kamion: shouldn't have two pints at lunch :)
[04:18] <stoffel> Mithrandir: i'll try
[04:18] <stoffel> Mithrandir: thanks for helping
[04:18] <Mithrandir> stoffel: my pleasure. :)
[04:19] <Robar> Kamion, Mithrandir: Thanks for your help guys. I'm out for now. Great distro, thanks.
[04:19] <Mithrandir> Robar: np, happy to help.
[04:22] <stoffel> Mithrandir: the only line with sound is "devfs_mk_dev: could not append to parent for sound/audio"
[04:23] <Mithrandir> stoffel: if you look for 1371, do you find anything?
[04:24] <stoffel_> Mithrandir: negative
[04:24] <Mithrandir> stoffel: /1371<enter> will search for it.
[04:24] <Mithrandir> hmm, weird.
[04:24] <Mithrandir> considering the module seems to be loaded.
[04:24] <stoffel_> Mithrandir: i tried dmesg | grep 1371
[04:24] <Mithrandir> stoffel_: could you rmmod snd_ens1371 ; modprobe snd_ens1371 ?
[04:25] <stoffel_> Mithrandir: ERRO: Module snd_ens1371 is in use
[04:26] <jdub> lamont: ping
[04:26] <Mithrandir> stoffel_: ah, ok.  Sorry, mea culpa, we're chasing the wrong bug.
[04:26] <Mithrandir> stoffel_: is snd_pcm_oss loaded?
[04:27] <mxpxpod> is there any chance of gst-ffmpeg getting into ubuntu?
[04:27] <stoffel_> Mithrandir: do i check with modprobe again?
[04:28] <Mithrandir> stoffel_: lsmod | grep snd.pcm.oss
[04:28] <Mithrandir> stoffel_: . matches anything
[04:28] <jdub> mxpxpod: perhaps in universe, but legal concerns, yada yada. we'll see.
[04:28] <Mithrandir> (since the kernel is sometimes confused wrt - vs _)
[04:28] <mxpxpod> jdub: heh, damn legal concerns :)
[04:28] <linux_mafia> jdub, finally sussed my no hal start problem, it would have to be the bloody microsoft mouse that does it, heh
[04:28] <mxpxpod> jdub: I guess for now I'll have to install it manually
[04:29] <jdub> linux_mafia: huh? bong! :)
[04:29] <lamont> jdub: yo
[04:29] <jdub> linux_mafia: that's a weird one, can you see what's happening?
[04:29] <stoffel_> Mithrandir: with grep oss it finds: snd_pcm_oss, snd_mixer_oss, snd_pcm, snd
[04:29] <jdub> lamont: hey, did you end up fixing the weird python depends problems stopping things like offlineimap being built?
[04:30] <mxpxpod> jdub: why are schemas still installed in /etc/gconf?
[04:30] <Mithrandir> stoffel_: hmm.. this is getting weird.  Does cat /dev/sndstat tell you that you have some audio devics?
[04:30] <rburton> mxpxpod: seb128 is lame
[04:30] <mxpxpod> rburton: haha
[04:30] <linux_mafia> jdub, it puts an invalid utf-8 string thats a copywrite sign or some such, so hald cant start, this is fixed in hal_0.2.97-0.1_i386.deb in debian testing
[04:30] <jdub> mxpxpod: we froze before those changes
[04:30] <mxpxpod> jdub: ah, ok
[04:30] <jdub> mxpxpod: also, seb128 is lame
[04:30] <lamont> jdub: depended on the package - we fixed the individual packages by adding the Build-Dep
[04:30] <jdub> SEB ROCKS!
[04:31] <jdub> lamont: aha
[04:31] <jdub> lamont: bum
[04:31] <stoffel_> Mithrandir: yes, it finds the devices 0 (tv card) and 1 (es1371 (duplex))
[04:31] <linux_mafia> jdub, since ubuntu is 2.92... i'll gues i'll have to wait or do a little mixing and matching with debian testing
[04:32] <lamont> jdub: got a package in particular?
[04:32] <jdub> lamont: offlineimap
[04:32] <jdub> lamont: pretty popular, on the supported list for hoary, etc.
[04:32] <mxpxpod> jdub: did you talk to jbailey about the escaping fix in evo-exchange?
[04:32] <jdub> linux_mafia: could you file a bug about that? we should fix it :)
[04:33] <Mithrandir> stoffel_: and you have files named pcm* in /dev/snd?
[04:33] <jdub> mxpxpod: no
[04:33] <mxpxpod> wait, it wasn't jbailey
[04:33] <mxpxpod> it was tritium
[04:33] <lamont> jdub: me investigates
[04:33] <jdub> lamont: thanks
[04:33] <stoffel_> Mithrandir: yes. several
[04:33] <mxpxpod> jdub: I guess evo-exchange escapes some stuff that exchange servers don't like escaped
[04:34] <linux_mafia> jdub, no worries man, apart from that little fiasco everything is perfect, this is the distro ive been waiting for ;) youre bluetooth packages rock too, bt dongle and an se t610, works perfectly
[04:34] <rburton> seb128: I LOVE YOU DUDE
[04:34] <Mithrandir> stoffel_: do you have a /dev/dsp file?
[04:34] <jdub> linux_mafia: sweet
[04:34] <seb128> arf
[04:34] <seb128> rburton: :)
[04:34] <stoffel_> Mithrandir: yes
[04:34] <rburton> group hug!
[04:35] <linux_mafia> ooohhh warm fuzzies, heh
[04:35] <Mithrandir> stoffel_: ok, then it's probably just esd not running.
[04:35] <mxpxpod> seb128: just so you know, I don't think you're lame :)
[04:35] <Mithrandir> stoffel_: if you run esd -nobeeps, does playing music work?
[04:35] <seb128> I'm worried now :p
[04:35] <seb128> mxpxpod: thanks :)
[04:35] <jdub> seb128: he's saying that he doesn't have evidence to suggest that you're lame, not that he truly believes that you are not lame
[04:35] <seb128> ah ah
[04:35] <stoffel_> Mithrandir: when i run esd, it tells me "/dev/dsp: No such device"... strange
[04:36] <jdub> seb128: so i suggest we kick some butt!
[04:36] <psi> how do I go about handing in a translation of the "Computer" menu?
[04:36] <psi> mailing list?
[04:36] <mxpxpod> jdub: well, basically ;)
[04:36] <Mithrandir> stoffel_: that's weird.
[04:36] <Tomcat_> stoffel_: Any audio/video devices except your sound card?
[04:37] <stoffel_> Tomcat_: yes, the tv-card
[04:37] <Tomcat_> Oh I see you got the same error as I had yesterday.
[04:37] <Tomcat_> Your TV card is /dev/dsp... your sound card is /dev/dsp1
[04:37] <Mithrandir> Tomcat_: did you find a workaround?
[04:37] <Tomcat_> Yeah, wait.
[04:37] <stoffel_> great
[04:37] <Tomcat_> Read that: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1293
[04:37] <jdub> stub: oh, back home?
[04:37] <Mithrandir> stoffel_: esd -d /dev/dsp1 ?
[04:37] <Tomcat_> Yeah try with dsp1 first, to see if it's working at all.
[04:38] <Tomcat_> Sound might be muted though... or on volume 0, check that.
[04:38] <stoffel_> Mithrandir: hooray.. 
[04:38] <stub> jdub: Yup
[04:39] <stoffel_> Tomcat_: in my quest for sound, i unmuted everything i found ;-)
[04:39] <lamont> jdub: offlineimap and 22 others are so blocked.  I'll upload offlineimap shortly (meets criteria), and look at the rest in a bit.
[04:39] <Tomcat_> :P
[04:39] <Mithrandir> stoffel_: ok, cool. look at the bug Tomcat_ posted; there's a workaround in there
[04:39] <jdub> lamont: awesome, thanks
[04:39] <jdub> lamont: (would be a bit sucky to have python foo not working ;)
[04:39] <stoffel_> thanks, tomcat and mithrandir!
[04:39] <Tomcat_> No prob... was hard finding that out though.
[04:39] <stoffel_> i'll bother you later with my second problem ;-)
[04:39] <Mithrandir> stoffel_: but as mdz writes in the bug, we need to fix this properly.
[04:40] <Tomcat_> Yeah, the blacklist/whitelist idea looks good to me.
[04:40] <lamont> many of the packages have names beginning with 'python-'
[04:40] <talos> a
[04:40] <Tomcat_> A bt87x card will almost never be a sound card. :P
[04:41] <Mithrandir> or we could make esd a bit smarter.
[04:41] <andred> So I thought Ubuntus latest release would not accept updates apart from security updates, like Debian stable. But now I see that for an example new xchat packages have been added. Or am I misstaking?
[04:41] <azeem> andred: it's a prerelease
[04:41] <Mithrandir> andred: it's a preview release.
[04:41] <lamont> andred: critical fixes between preview and release
[04:41] <jdub> andred: not added, bugfix uploads ;)
[04:42] <andred> Hm, ok. I thought so too first, but sinced the urgency  was 'low' I guessed that wasn't the case.
[04:42] <lamont> we're also allowed to fix packages in universe that have never built before...
[04:42] <Mithrandir> andred: we're not using the urgency field for anything.
[04:42] <Mithrandir> lamont: do you still have a list of those somewhere?
[04:42] <lamont> andred: urgency on the upload is meaningless
[04:42] <azeem> btw, are you regenerating the ISOs all the time, or will the preview release be the only ISO besides the final?
[04:42] <lamont> Mithrandir: buildd status on the wiki has many
[04:42] <Mithrandir> azeem: I believe the daily ones are still being built.
[04:42] <lamont> although it's a bit out of date
[04:43] <lamont> Mithrandir: and universe fixes are still below everything else on the plate
[04:43] <Kamion> azeem: daily ISOs are still being built, but they aren't actually being made visible anywhere at the moment due to a problem with the bittorrent stuff
[04:43] <azeem> ah
[04:43] <Kamion> I'll fix that shortly
[04:44] <pbor> is there a reason why ssh is not installed by default?
[04:44] <Mithrandir> pbor: it is, but the ssh server is not started, I believe?
[04:44] <lamont> seb128: you the man.  thanks for the xchat help
[04:44] <jdub> we have openssh-client installed
[04:44] <jdub> but not openssh-server
[04:44] <seb128> lamont: you're welcome ;)
[04:44] <jdub> pbor: we have a 'no listening services by default' policy
[04:44] <azeem> thihi
[04:45] <pbor> Mithrandir, jdub: I see I just noted I had to install it before scping my backups on the shny new install
[04:46] <pbor> shiny even
[04:46] <Kamion> pbor: the ssh package is now just a dummy package depending on openssh-client and openssh-server
[04:46] <Kamion> pbor: this'll go into Debian too post-sarge
[04:46] <Kamion> (it's in Debian experimental)
[04:46] <azeem> Kamion: btw, do you mind and i386 upload of that? Seems it's only available for powerpc and alpha
[04:46] <lamont> jdub: 1333 - should be a trivial fix in debian/config. GAH!
[04:47] <Kamion> azeem: not at all, go ahead, I meant to do it myself but didn't get round to it
[04:47] <pbor> Kamion: cool /me learns how debian works...
[04:47] <azeem> Kamion: I might do it, when I get around and don't forget :)
[04:53] <ish> Anyone else having ubuntu lock after 10-20 minutes after booting?
[04:53] <ish> I'm think its ACPI on my laptop right now..
[04:54] <jdub> ish: ouch, no, that's not good
[04:54] <jdub> hey spiv 
[04:54] <spiv> jdub: hello
[04:55] <Mithrandir> ish: what architecture are you on?
[04:55] <ish> and it just locks.. hard to get info out of..
[04:55] <ish> P3
[04:55] <whiprush> tseng: ooh, f-spot ... ROCK.
[04:55] <Mithrandir> ish: try booting with "pci=noacpi noapic" ?
[04:55] <linux_mafia> jdub, wheres the bugzilla/bts page for ubuntu?
[04:56] <Mithrandir> linux_mafia: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[04:56] <linux_mafia> hahaha, what a surprise
[04:56] <mxpxpod> who do I talk to about making a bakery2.3 .deb for ubuntu?
[04:56] <tritium> jdub, mxpxpod I was away.  What's the question re: evo-exchange escape fixes?
[04:56] <tseng> mxpxpod: start writing C like a real man
[04:56] <tseng> or something..
[04:56] <mxpxpod> tseng: :P
[04:56] <mxpxpod> tseng: I don't wanna
[04:57] <rburton> mxpxpod: reinvent the wheel like a real man
[04:57] <mxpxpod> rburton: haha
[04:57] <Mithrandir> mxpxpod: we sync off Debian, so you should get it into Debian itself.
[04:57] <mxpxpod> Mithrandir: it's in debian itself
[04:57] <mxpxpod> ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/bakery2.3/
[04:58] <Mithrandir> mxpxpod: seems to have been added after we snapshotted sid?
[04:58] <mxpxpod> when did you snapshot sid?
[04:58] <rburton> bakery 2.0 is available in universe
[04:58] <Mithrandir> mxpxpod: late June, iirc.
[04:58] <mxpxpod> rburton: it's not the latest bakery that uses gtkmm2.4 and libgnome-vfs2.6
[04:59] <lamont> jdub: offlineimap build-depends svn (yeah, sick, I know) - I'll have to look at it more after I get back home from running my daughter's school stuff to her...  sihg
[04:59] <Mithrandir> mxpxpod: unless jdub or somebody tells me otherwise, I think it'll be in hoary (at least, in universe)
[04:59] <mxpxpod> suck... I kinda need that for coaster development
[05:00] <Mithrandir> mxpxpod: run a locally compiled version?  Or bribe jdub into accepting it? ;)
[05:00] <mxpxpod> jdub: how much is it going to cost to get that package in?
[05:00] <mxpxpod> :D
[05:01] <Mithrandir> mxpxpod: but you can look at it another way, we'll be starting on hoary fairly soon, so you won't have to wait forever to see bakery2.3 in a release. :)
[05:02] <ish> a bug fixes already going into warty?
[05:02] <mxpxpod> Mithrandir: hrmm...
[05:03] <Mithrandir> ish: critical ones are, but we're trying to really stabilize warty so we'll actually release on time.
[05:03] <Deft_u> if I want to rerun the X auto-setup, do I just do the same as for debian, as it says in XF86Config-4?
[05:04] <semtex> having trouble installing ubuntu on ibm laptop R40e , hangs on "trying to enable the frame buffer..." . i have tried the boot option disable framebuffer but no success
[05:04] <seb128> jdub: please comment on #1266 and #1319 
[05:04] <Mithrandir> Deft_u: the comment in XF86Config-4 is correct, yes.
[05:05] <Mithrandir> Deft_u: if you haven't modified the file by hand, you can just run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[05:06] <mxpxpod> why is totem-gstreamer included by default and not totem-xine?
[05:06] <Mithrandir> totem-xine has license issues, AFAIK.
[05:06] <Mithrandir> or patent issues.
[05:06] <mxpxpod> oh
[05:06] <jdub> mxpxpod: legal issues
[05:06] <Kamion> mxpxpod: patent concerns
[05:06] <_axel> uhm, i cant get sound to work
[05:06] <jdub> Mithrandir: (mmm, legal not license)
[05:06] <mxpxpod> well gstreamer doesn't seem to want to play wmv's on ppc
[05:06] <Mithrandir> jdub: mea culpa.
[05:06] <az[a] zel_ibook> any third party package repositories sprung up yet for libdvdcss etc ? :)
[05:06] <rburton> mxpxpod: gst-xine is in experimental
[05:07] <_axel> i have snd-cmipci and snd-pcm-oss and snd-pcm-mixer loaded, but the gnome mixer says i have no mixer devices :/
[05:07] <rburton> mxpxpod: i mean universe of course
[05:07] <Deft_u> (_axel: I can't get video, sound is fine :)
[05:07] <seb128> rburton: gst-xine ?
[05:07] <rburton> gar
[05:07] <whiprush> hmm, this john guy on the list has some pent up anger or something.
[05:07] <seb128> rburton: gstreamer+xine in a same package ? :)
[05:07] <mxpxpod> rburton: you mean totem-xine
[05:07] <rburton> mxpxpod: totem-xine is in universe :)
[05:07] <_axel> Deft_u: any hints?
[05:07] <mxpxpod> hrmmm...
[05:07] <jdub> az[a] zel_ibook: there are libdvdcss debs that work on the vlc website
[05:07] <mxpxpod> I can't seem to play wmv's with anything
[05:07] <jdub> mxpxpod: install totem-xine
[05:08] <Deft_u> _axel: not really I'm afraid, other than the normal check modules, then check that alsa hasn't set your volume to 0
[05:08] <whiprush> wmv's wouldn't work with totem-xine with me either.
[05:08] <az[a] zel_ibook> jdub: ah ok.. I was hoping there was an "legal grey area" repository.. like in mandrkae how they have plf.. all the good stuff is there in one place :)
[05:08] <mxpxpod> jdub: I did and it says it can't play windows media video 9
[05:08] <_axel> Deft_u: no, i ran alsamixer and set everything ok
[05:08] <whiprush> I had to get w32codecs from the marillat source
[05:08] <Keybuk> az[a] zel_ibook: Mandrake have the advantage of not being quite as sueable as us
[05:09] <Keybuk> RedHat don't distribute anything like mp3 players for similar reasons, they're too good a target
[05:09] <_axel> ah, well
[05:09] <_axel> it usually helps to PLUG THE GODDAMN SPEAKERS :P
[05:09] <jdub> also
[05:09] <Mithrandir> _axel :)
[05:09] <jdub> keybuk doesn't want to go to jail
[05:09] <Kamion> does anyone know why entries in /sys/block might have ! in the name in strange places?
[05:09] <Keybuk> jdub: why me, specifically? :p
[05:10] <Kamion> like /sys/block/cciss!c0d0/cciss!c0d0p1
[05:10] <jsubl2> anyone know of a tool to use to suck in my kmail inbox to evolution
[05:10] <Mithrandir> Kamion: looks like it's a s/!/\// done on it.
[05:10] <az[a] zel_ibook> Keybuk: plf is not run or controlled by mandrake, but by a third party. However the repository is designed to work seamlessly with mandrake
[05:10] <Mithrandir> Kamion:                   0 = /dev/cciss/c0d0   First logical drive, whole disk
[05:10] <Kamion> Mithrandir: er, yeah, but (a) initrd-tools doesn't seem to handle this at all, (b) I was more looking for where in the kernel this happened
[05:10] <Mithrandir> from devices.txt
[05:10] <rburton> jsubl2: create an imap server, use kmail to move the mail, and then point evo at it
[05:11] <jsubl2> rburton, ok thanks
[05:11] <_axel> gnome mixer still doesnt work, but well
[05:11] <Kamion> it's driving me up the wall, been reading kernel source for the last hour
[05:11] <Keybuk> az[a] zel_ibook: ah, well someone could certainly do that for Ubuntu just using the tools in apt-utils and dpkg-dev
[05:11] <rburton> jsubl2: then keep the imap server so you can switch client whenever you wish
[05:11] <Deft_u> Mithrandir, is the X setup at install the same as the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 one in principle?
[05:11] <Mithrandir> Deft_u: yes
[05:12] <ish> Mithrandir: I think that noacpi/noapic worked..
[05:12] <Mithrandir> ish: cool. :)
[05:12] <Deft_u> then, after updating all packages, it should almost work for me, went a little over the top on the scan rates this time...
[05:14] <mek> anyone know what the "official" way to update Ubuntu is/will be? I didn't see any kind of GUI update applet ...
[05:14] <Mithrandir> mek: aptitude
[05:14] <rburton> mek: computer->system tools->synaptic
[05:14] <Keybuk> mek: there's a GUI package manager under Computer -> System Configuration, otherwise aptitude/apt/dselect etc.
[05:14] <Mithrandir> mek: sorry, synaptic
[05:14] <jdub> seb128: done
[05:14] <seb128> thanks
[05:14] <jdub> seb128: both approved
[05:14] <_axel> i wonder why i dont get the Computer menu item
[05:14] <jdub> seb128: rad fixes :)
[05:14] <seb128> jdub: thanks :)
[05:14] <Keybuk> _axel: what do you have?  Applications + Actions ?
[05:15] <rburton> _axel: you probably don't have the menu panel applet added
[05:15] <_axel> rburton: what applet
[05:15] <rburton> Main Menu i think
[05:15] <Kamion> hm, http://mail.nl.linux.org/linux-mm/2003-12/msg00087.html
[05:15] <Keybuk> Menu Bar
[05:15] <Keybuk> Main Menu is just the foot, iirc.
[05:16] <_axel> ahm now
[05:16] <_axel> ugh, hate that smallish foot!
[05:16] <Keybuk> _axel: did you upgrade a machine from Debian rather than freshly install?
[05:16] <seb128> jdub: do you think I should send the "Desktop" patch for epiphany upstream ?
[05:16] <_axel> Keybuk: nope, but i have a pretty ancient $HOME with config files dating back from gnome 1.x and several migrations
[05:17] <Keybuk> ahh
[05:17] <_axel> Keybuk: so sure there are some conflicting config options and stuff
[05:17] <jdub> seb128: yeah, i don't know why that's not their default
[05:17] <seb128> ok
[05:17] <mek> _rburton,Keybuk: Any plans for implementing something like apt-watch (Gnome applet that checks for updates in the background)?
[05:17] <mxpxpod> are the bluetooth tools for gnome going to get pushed into ubuntu?
[05:17] <jdub> seb128: btw, hal patch from alex on hal list you might be interested in
[05:17] <jdub> mxpxpod: they're on the list for hoary
[05:17] <Keybuk> there are interesting plans afoot on the hoary+ timeframe to make software install/update sexy, yes
[05:17] <mxpxpod> jdub: cool
[05:17] <_axel> agh, i wish the foot in the menubar was larger! this smallish one looks wimpy :P
[05:17] <seb128> hum, I should subscribe to hal list
[05:17] <jdub> mxpxpod: i have a repo you can test from too
[05:18] <mxpxpod> jdub: oh??
[05:18] <jdub> see -devel
[05:18] <mek> _Keybuk: very cool. Ubuntu is awesome thus far ... I'm excited to watch it progress
[05:18] <mxpxpod> jdub: huh?
[05:18] <jdub> mxpxpod: i posted about it on the -devel list
[05:18] <mek> thanks for the braindump ... out
[05:18] <seb128> jdub: BTW, n-c-b 2.8.1 out too that fixes some issues (a crasher) ... I guess we want it ?
[05:19] <jdub> seb128: yes, gnome point release updates are fine
[05:19] <seb128> perfect
[05:19] <jdub> seb128: we'll tighten down on those later
[05:19] <seb128> ok
[05:20] <mxpxpod> jdub: are those only i386 binaries in your repo?
[05:22] <mxpxpod> suck.. no libxml++2.6 packages either...
[05:23] <tritium> jdub, were you asking about evo-exchange patches?
[05:23] <housetier> where do I find the logs from ppp? I installed ubuntu on a friends laptop yesterday and couldn't get pppoe to work. There were no logs in /var/log/{syslog,messages} and "plog" didnt show anything either 
[05:24] <Mithrandir> housetier: /var/log/daemon.log or syslog
[05:24] <azeem> housetier: perhaps adding 'debug' to the options in /etc/ppp/peers/foo helps
[05:24] <jdub> tritium: i don't think so, but someone was asking if i was asking about asking you
[05:24] <housetier> azeem, ok I'll try that once he gets here
[05:24] <housetier> Mithrandir, I must admit I didnt check daemon.log, I shall do so later
[05:25] <housetier> other than that I must say: ubuntu is great! :D 
[05:25] <Mithrandir> housetier: /var/log/syslog should have _all_ logs, so it should certainly have it.
[05:25] <tritium> jdub, I think mxpxpod was referring to the patches from "deb http://www.fmepnet.org/debian/ main main" that I use.
[05:26] <mxpxpod> jdub: that's a lot of asking :)
[05:27] <clee> hrm
[05:27] <clee> is archive.u.c being really slow for anybody else?
[05:27] <jdub> tritium: oh, for openldap and stuff, or...?
[05:28] <Keybuk> clee: I get a delay to open the connection, but a fast download once it's open
[05:28] <Chriffer> Why did you copy the coloc scheme of it.slashdot.org?
[05:29] <Chriffer> color I mean
[05:29] <clee> Keybuk: weird.
[05:29] <Keybuk> colour you mean? :p
[05:29] <clee> (same here)
[05:29] <Mithrandir> Chriffer: we did?
[05:29] <Keybuk> clee: just out of Apache processes, probably
[05:29] <rburton> what do people have against cream/brown!
[05:29] <tritium> jdub, actually, just to be able to login to and use the exchange server at all.
[05:29] <Keybuk> Chriffer: to be fair, I expect it's impossible to pick a colour scheme that isn't used by Slashdot somewhere
[05:29] <Mithrandir> Chriffer: they look very much different to me.
[05:29] <clee> Keybuk: the interesting thing is that pings also take a long time
[05:29] <subterrific> uhh, the colors don't even match it.slashdot.org
[05:30] <tritium> I couldn't do it with the standard evo-exchange
[05:30] <clee> Keybuk: but the weird thing about it is that even though they take a long time, each packet doesn't take long
[05:30] <clee> (which doesn't make sense)
[05:30] <subterrific> Chriffer: get a better monitor if you think that color is the same
[05:30] <Chriffer> No, I'm joking, but thu it sectian is always mocked for its coloc scheme
[05:30] <Chriffer> wow
[05:30] <mxpxpod> jdub: can you compile those gnome-bluetooth packages for ppc when you get time?
[05:30] <Chriffer> I quit typing
[05:30] <rburton> jdub: i think the default theme should be sandy crack
[05:30] <jdub> mxpxpod: not really
[05:30] <jdub> rburton: NO MORE BONG
[05:30] <Keybuk> clee: I don't get what you mean?
[05:31] <mxpxpod> jdub: darn
[05:31] <Chriffer> I think that's the worst line of typing I have ever produced
[05:31] <Keybuk> I see a ~ 1s ping time
[05:31] <clee> Keybuk: I mean that it takes me ten seconds to get two packets back
[05:31] <rburton> jdub: dammit i'll propose it for g2.10 then!
[05:31] <clee> Keybuk: But each packet reports that it got there and back in under 100ms
[05:31] <clee> so I don't get why it takes ten seconds for two of them.
[05:31] <Keybuk> probably not enough link room for arp/routeing stuff
[05:31] <Keybuk> for firewall being odd
[05:31] <clee> anyway, good to see that the distro is so ridiculously popular :)
[05:31] <Keybuk> plenty of networky reasons for that
[05:32] <Keybuk> that's just high latency
[05:32] <_axel> uhm
[05:32] <subterrific> Chriffer: seriously, where do you see ubuntu using that color?
[05:32] <Mithrandir> we should akamai the archive. :)
[05:32] <_axel> how am i supposed to add a cups printer if root user is disabled? the http interface wants me to login as root
[05:33] <Keybuk> _axel: there's gui printer config stuff
[05:33] <Mithrandir> _axel: don't use the web interface, use gnome-cups-manager
[05:33] <_axel> uhm k
[05:33] <Chriffer> It was a joke, but no one noticed that, so I guess it was a poorly worded joke
[05:33] <Keybuk> or set a root password
[05:33] <rburton> _axel: computer->system->printers
[05:34] <subterrific> Chriffer: oh, i thought you were serious (and possibly color blind)
[05:35] <Chriffer> My color memory wasnt good, I had changed away from the default look anyway
[05:35] <Chriffer> But gold vs brown wasn't so close
[05:35] <wido> hi
[05:36] <wido> does the install-cd of ubuntu support creatoin of reiser4 partitions?
[05:36] <Keybuk> sladen: you forget where I used to work?
[05:36] <jdub> wido: no
[05:37] <wido> jdub: ok, thanks :)
[05:40] <daniels> sladen: correct spelling, wrong pronounciation :)
[05:40] <ish> If I get the linux-source from apt - will it have the absolute required options selected for me?
[05:40] <daniels> he's spelling 'rooting' wrong
[05:41] <sladen> Keybuk: routing him would be less comfortable :-)
[05:41] <||cw> ish: if you copy /boot/config-foo to .config it will have the same options as the running kernel
[05:42] <Kamion> Mithrandir: Mark wanted to do Akamai at one point at least, certainly
[05:42] <Mithrandir> Kamion: it would be nice and fast.
[05:42] <ish> qt required for xconfig heh - sorry, been in bsd land for a long time.
[05:42] <Mithrandir> Kamion: especially considering they are rumored to have a local box here at the university.
[05:43] <sladen> Kamion: the load could be dealt with by just having a couple of reverse-squid boxes in front of the main/cdimage servers
[05:44] <Deft_u> ish, remember you'll need an initrd, the ubuntu kernel config couldn't boot otherwise
[05:46] <_axel> should the config printer gui autodetect cups queues? the cups web interface used to autodetect it
[05:46] <axu> hi 
[05:47] <axu> what packagemanagement system does ubuntu use ?
[05:47] <rburton> axu: it's debian, so apt
[05:47] <axu> ok :)
[05:47] <sladen> axu: Ubuntu is based on Debian, so the usual apt/dpkg
[05:47] <axu> thanks :)
[05:48] <axu> sladen: i jost got a mail from a friend spelling, look here umbuntulinux.org , im about to install it :)
[05:48] <renners> hrdwr_BoB: yesterday I asked you about screen res (I could only get 1024, not 1280). FYI I have fixed this by re-installing and picking the correct res during setup! thanks. 
[05:49] <sladen> renners: you should be able change this by doing   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[05:50] <sladen> although thanks for reminding us that it's actually easier for most people to just reinstall...
[05:50] <renners> sladen: i tried nut it didn't work... re-install was drastic but did the job!
[05:50] <renners> but, not nut!
[05:50] <axu> well, thanks and bye
[05:51] <renners> anyway to speed up grub... it take 30 seconds to load on my XP dual-boot system (and don't say ditch XP!!!)
[05:52] <mxpxpod> renners: get rid of XP ;)
[05:53] <renners> ok more questions... (I'm new to Linux and I'm keeping XP for a while.. need it only for games!!)
[05:53] <renners> How can I see my XP drives from Linux?
[05:53] <az[a] zel_ibook> mount -t ntfs /dev/hdaX /mnt/somefolder
[05:54] <Adonijah-> renners, or mount -t vfat /dev/hdaX /mnt/somefolder
[05:54] <renners> the XP drives are all FAT
[05:54] <az[a] zel_ibook> assuming the ntfs kernel has been compiled
[05:54] <az[a] zel_ibook> vfat then
[05:54] <ish> does make-kpkg handle the initrd creation?
[05:54] <Adonijah-> ish, i believe so
[05:54] <renners> thanks I'll try it
[05:55] <_axel> heh, i got the nvidia drivers working -- cool!
[05:55] <jdub> night all
[05:56] <mxpxpod> jdub: nite
[05:56] <Keybuk> ish: make-kpkg --initrd
[05:57] <renners> another dumb question... I'm talking to you now on Net but Ubuntu has never hasked me for ISP details... userid passowrd IP address etc, how is it working?
[05:58] <renners> (ooh my typing i bad today!)
[05:58] <Deft_u> what sort of connection?
[05:58] <renners> DSL
[05:58] <Keybuk> renners: your cable/dsl modem has a dhcp server ... so it was configured automatically
[05:58] <Mayday> just installed for first time, and the first impression is: lovely, kudos to the devs!
[05:59] <renners> I'm impressed!
[06:00] <renners> _axel: was it easy to install nvidia drivers?
[06:01] <_axel> renners: yup
[06:02] <renners> axel: is it automatic or manual... I'm not too familiar with Linux yet!
[06:02] <_axel> renners mostly automatic
[06:02] <_axel> still have to edit a config file by hand
[06:02] <carlos> _axel: /etc/modules?
[06:02] <Mayday> is it possible to upgrade the settings for evolution manually? I get this error when trying to run it: Unable to read settings from previous Evolution install, `evolution/config.xmldb' does not exist or is corrupt. ?
[06:02] <_axel> sec
[06:03] <_axel> rolling a cig cant type
[06:03] <renners> get from nvidia website or through Unbuntu package manager?
[06:03] <_axel> k, i can type now
[06:04] <_axel> what you do is:
[06:04] <_axel> 1- apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-<yourkernelversionhere> nvidia-glx
[06:04] <_axel> thats like 20mb download
[06:04] <sivan> Kamion : which iso would be a good 'current' testing target? i want to test that installtion hang up i've been getting with the daily and a former release
[06:04] <_axel> so start now
[06:05] <_axel> after that, you do 'modprobe nvidia'
[06:05] <_axel> that loads the kernel module
[06:05] <_axel> then you do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, go through all the config options which should be already set to the correct default and select 'nvidia' driver rather than 'nv'
[06:06] <_axel> and then you uncheck GLcore and dri from the list of X server modules to load
[06:06] <_axel> then you do 'cat nvidia >> /etc/modules' and zap the server with ctrl-alt-backspace to have it restart
[06:06] <_axel> the X server i mean
[06:07] <_axel> after that, you should see the nvidia logo before the gdm screen kicks in
[06:07] <renners> thanks axel, I got to say Linux fans, that it's much easier on XP!!! 
[06:07] <JanneM> yep
[06:07] <JanneM> it is a pain
[06:07] <_axel> well
[06:07] <sivan> what? somebody said xp?? :)
[06:08] <_axel> it was much worse when you had to build the driver yourself and get the full kernel source and mess with broken symbolic links and etc
[06:08] <werewolf> wow! I now finished to install ubuntu, very very well
[06:08] <khalek> maybe they're running an athlon
[06:08] <JanneM> but as long as nvidia do not release drivers with a license that allows distribution with the kernel itself, there isn all that much anybody can do about it
[06:08] <Mithrandir> renners: it'll be a simple command line "soon".
[06:08] <_axel> yep, its mostly nvidia's fault
[06:08] <renners> I hope so!
[06:08] <Adonijah-> nvidia like many other manufacturers doesn't have a legal choice in the matter
[06:09] <khalek> they could release docs for things like their ethernet chips though
[06:09] <Adonijah-> possibly, but you have to remember they have cross licensing agreements with other companies
[06:09] <al_> hi
[06:09] <khalek> I don't buy that
[06:09] <Adonijah-> well, i know it's true for part of their hardware
[06:09] <khalek> look at pretty much every single other ethernet chip that has docs available
[06:09] <renners> given that there are very few 3d games for Linux, do I really need to update nvidia drivers?
[06:10] <Adonijah-> if you're just doing 2d, there's not much of a point to me
[06:10] <Mitario> hello everyone
[06:10] <renners> k
[06:10] <martinald> hello
[06:10] <Mitario> can i slip in one tiny question? :) i was wondering which trash applet is described in the ubuntu faq
[06:10] <martinald> anyone know when FF 1.0PR will be in APT?
[06:11] <Adonijah-> Mitario, probably the trash can in the lower right of the default gnome desktop?
[06:11] <_axel> renners: Enemy Territory is pretty fun
[06:11] <martinald> Enemy Territory is gay lol
[06:11] <punkass> so is UT2004
[06:11] <Mitario> Adonijah-, yeah, i mean, does it has a website or st?
[06:11] <_axel> renners: and you can play some games with winex too, and doom3 for linux is just around the corner... thats if you like mindless first-person shooters
[06:11] <renners> oh, I love ET, is that available on linux?
[06:11] <Mithrandir> renners: yes
[06:11] <Mitario> is it written by ubuntu people or an external project
[06:11] <JanneM> Neverwinter Nights is good too, if you like that kind of game
[06:11] <Adonijah-> Mitario, seems to be part of 2.8
[06:12] <azeem> Mitario: it's yours
[06:12] <renners> seems there's more games than I thought... 
[06:12] <Mitario> azeem, ah, that clears the things :)
[06:12] <azeem> Mitario: they were trying to contact you about it
[06:12] <Mitario> really?
[06:12] <azeem> seb128: ping
[06:12] <Adonijah-> Mitario, "Michiel Sikkes" (C) 2004
[06:12] <seb128> azeem: pong
[06:12] <Mitario> Adonijah-, yeah ok, thanks, thats me
[06:12] <azeem> seb128: Mitario is around
[06:12] <seb128> azeem: ?
[06:12] <azeem> trash applet upstream
[06:13] <seb128> oh
[06:13] <seb128> thanks
[06:13] <azeem> cheers
[06:15] <renners> ok... gotta go to work now... starting new job supporting 500 Unix servers :-)
[06:15] <renners> thanx for your help guys!
[06:19] <_axel> eeeeek
[06:20] <_axel> nconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[06:20] <_axel> wtf is that
[06:25] <neill> _axel: tls = thread local storage? the nvidia drivers perhaps? Just a quess.
[06:27] <neighborlee> is there a reason ( not a biggie) that ubuntu seems to use same automount system for CD's as say fedora does?..i notoice it only MOUNTS the cd but the eject part doesn't respond .....as I say its not a biggie as i've setup a 'disk' icon on panel to do this..just wondering ( maybe its a resource thing?)...??
[06:27] <Kamion> Mithrandir: turns out this box is a via chipset
[06:27] <_axel> yes, this happens when i run xmms after i installed the nvidia drivers
[06:27] <Mithrandir> Kamion: the one you got?  Yes, I know
[06:28] <_axel> need to investigate, bbiab
[06:28] <Kamion> ah, ok
[06:28] <Kamion> seems to Just Work
[06:29] <Mithrandir> Kamion: yup, but we should get a nf3 mainboard if the sata_nv hwdata update doesn't fix the problem.
[06:29] <Mithrandir> since nf3 boards are _common_
[06:29] <Mithrandir> it's like 100 for a decent one, so doable.
[06:29] <sivang> #277 is closed ha? and not just because of NOT_WARTY :)
[06:29] <Kamion> Mithrandir: easy to test anyway, just modprobe sata_nv and see if it works
[06:30] <lil> I will be getting a iMac G5 soon...  Would anyone be interested in hearing any experinces with installing ub on it when I get it?
[06:30] <Kamion> lil: hell yeah
[06:30] <Mithrandir> Kamion: yup
[06:30] <Kamion> lil: should just work but we'll see
[06:31] <lil> Cool, I'll write a log... Apple told us there is a huge backlog on them though, so it may be a while =\
[06:31] <sivang> I loaded the module the other days, and had really difficult times reproducing the bug :) the keyboard media control are working flawlessly
[06:31] <Kamion> console-data needs some love on amd64
[06:31] <martinald> apple can't manage stock for shit
[06:31] <martinald> they probably do it on purpose
[06:31] <xor> Where can I find a list of packages in ubuntu?
[06:31] <martinald> limit the amount of units they ship
[06:31] <lil> Agree...
[06:31] <Kamion> apple were really quick to ship my powerbook, and really slow to ship elmo's
[06:32] <al_> i'd like to install java on ubuntu... how can i do ?
[06:32] <psi> hm, can anyone run apt-get update? it stalls for me
[06:33] <sivang> psi : stalls for me lso
[06:33] <martinald> yes
[06:33] <martinald> they ship out stuff which is old
[06:33] <martinald> like pb
[06:33] <martinald> but new stuff
[06:33] <martinald> is a joke
[06:34] <martinald> for exmaple, 30" cinema display still arent shipping
[06:34] <neighborlee> al_, if its not in the ubuntu archive just uncomment the 'debian' section in /etc/apt/sources.list ( use synaptic if youd rather since it comes preinstalled )
[06:34] <neighborlee> su
[06:34] <sladen> xor: apt-cache dump | grep Package | less -S
[06:34] <al_> neighborlee, debian doesn't have packages for java...
[06:34] <neighborlee> lalaland~22
[06:34] <neighborlee> hahahaha
[06:34] <sladen> xor: using Synaptic maybe easier for you
[06:34] <neighborlee> dont you just love it when you 'su' in IRC LMFAO
[06:35] <neighborlee> and NO that not my real password..hahahahhaa
[06:35] <psi> al_,  i've always installed java manually in debian. it's pretty easy.
[06:35] <lil> This computer I'm on is trash, Dell Pent. 4, 1st Generation...
[06:35] <Kamion> neighborlee: ... any more
[06:35] <neighborlee> lol
[06:35] <al_> psi, ok, already did this but looked for a package :)
[06:35] <al_> +I
[06:35] <sladen> neighborlee: ...had you been using sudo... :-)
[06:35] <lil> But I've had the hd crash three times... And the graphics card is junk...
[06:35] <psi> yeah, i'd like one also
[06:35] <JanneM> ...it would have asked for the password as well
[06:35] <neighborlee> sladen, yeah but i get tired of having to retype my password everytime so dont even go there
[06:35] <neighborlee> sladen, ha
[06:36] <Kamion> neighborlee: you do know that's easy to change, don't you?
[06:36] <sladen> neighborlee: you should only need to type it once every 5minutes.  And never if you keep doing stuff!
[06:36] <neighborlee> sladen, besides..my password is setup specificlly to make it damn impossible to get through anyway LOL
[06:37] <neighborlee> Kamion, whats easy to change
[06:37] <sladen> Kamion: q: has the 5minute authenication cache been disabled?  It'll drive people nuts
[06:37] <Kamion> neighborlee: sudo timeouts
[06:37] <neighborlee> o ic
[06:37] <neighborlee> nope didn't know
[06:37] <neighborlee> i've always in past used su so nope
[06:37] <neighborlee> but I think sladen is right..5 minutes is prob. 'wize'
[06:37] <neighborlee> if i'm going to use sudo that is..but yeah its nice knowing it can be changed
[06:38] <Kamion> sladen: base-config (2.44ubuntu14) warty; urgency=low
[06:38] <Kamion>   * Remove timestamp_timeout=0 in sudoers.
[06:38] <Kamion>  -- LaMont Jones <lamont@mmjgroup.com>  Wed,  8 Sep 2004 14:10:34 -0600
[06:38] <Kamion> sladen: assuming that's what you meant
[06:38] <neighborlee> JanneM, hi man NICE to see you here...howz one of my NWN buds doing ? ;000
[06:39] <neighborlee> JanneM, think we'll get nwn2 ? ;-)
[06:39] <neighborlee> JanneM, would seem we would ;-)
[06:40] <psi> will it be possible to include xchat 2.4 before the release? it's much prettier :)
[06:41] <JanneM> really?
[06:41] <JanneM> neighborlee: you're _that_ neighborlee?
[06:41] <JanneM> heh
[06:41] <sladen> Kamion: !praise $DEITY
[06:41] <neighborlee> na..this is just a close similarity LOL
[06:41] <JanneM> neighborlee: where have you seen that we will get nwn2?
[06:41] <neighborlee> JanneM, happypenguin.org
[06:42] <neighborlee> JanneM, it was mentioned a few times...
[06:42] <JanneM> hm
[06:42] <JanneM> the info Ie seen has been mostly negative
[06:42] <sladen> Kamion: what would be useful is to have gtksudo still pop up a dialogue if it is called;  stating that you are still authenicated but asking you to confirm the command (and showing it) with an OK
[06:43] <neighborlee> JanneM , Neverwinter Nights Roundup < search for that
[06:43] <Kamion> sladen: not my field :)
[06:43] <JanneM> nope
[06:43] <neighborlee> JanneM ,Neverwinter Nights Miscellany < and that
[06:43] <JanneM> on happypenguin?
[06:43] <neighborlee> linuxgames.com
[06:43] <JanneM> ahh
[06:43] <azeem> sladen: also, gtksudo should not talk about root, dunno if that's a known issue
[06:44] <neighborlee> sorry I thought it might be there too but I guess not
[06:44] <neighborlee> odd
[06:44] <neighborlee> those scoundrels!
[06:44] <neighborlee> heh
[06:44] <neighborlee> I shall shake them limb by limb!!
[06:44] <neighborlee> lol
[06:44] <JanneM> hm
[06:45] <JanneM> the roundup piece only mentions the nwn patch
[06:45] <JanneM> nothing about nwn2
[06:45] <neighborlee> Finally, there's been some followup on the NWN2 and Linux front: an Obsidian developer posted the following statement concerning the status of any future Linux port:
[06:45] <Adonijah-> yeah, it's not guaranteed at this point
[06:45] <azeem> what's that got to do with ubuntu?
[06:45] <neighborlee> JanneM, posted by Crusader - Tuesday Aug 24 06:33:08 2004
[06:45] <JanneM> ok
[06:46] <JanneM> ok
[06:47] <schweeb> mdz: finally posted that comment about the mini.iso netinstall to the mailing list
[06:47] <JanneM> off to bed
[06:54] <schweeb> well, that's kind of embarassing... just mailed the mailing list w/ my clock about 4 hours off :-/
[06:58] <trukulo> if anyone wants to read a ubuntu review in spanish, tell me
[07:00] <janneZzz> trukulo: howto on qemu is on the wiki - please add to it if there's anything you think I missed
[07:01] <trukulo> janneZzz, ok, tell me url, i'll put your howto and a spanish howto of a friend of mine
[07:01] <trukulo> i'll put links, i mean
[07:01] <janneZzz> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/InstallOnQemu
[07:01] <trukulo> and i and my friend, will review the wiki
[07:02] <azeem> *whistle*
[07:03] <trukulo> janneZzz, it's better to use qemu-mkcow than dd
[07:03] <trukulo> mkcow is dynamic, so it grows as you need
[07:03] <janneZzz> oh, ok
[07:03] <janneZzz> ah
[07:03] <janneZzz> edit away!
[07:04] <trukulo> :)
[07:04] <trukulo> wait, i wanna read entirely first
[07:06] <trukulo> janneZzz, very good indead, i only want to add "mkcow" line
[07:07] <janneZzz> though
[07:07] <trukulo> janneZzz, do i need to register to edit it ?
[07:07] <janneZzz> ok
[07:07] <janneZzz> um, yes
[07:07] <trukulo> ok
[07:07] <janneZzz> click on the upper right corner
[07:07] <janneZzz> the "User Preferences"
[07:07] <janneZzz> not hugely intuitive
[07:07] <trukulo> no, not hugely
[07:08] <janneZzz> but will mkcow allow you to make copies of the file
[07:08] <janneZzz> essentially make snapshots of the system?
[07:09] <trukulo> yes
[07:09] <trukulo> it's only a file
[07:09] <trukulo> but it grows as you need
[07:09] <trukulo> and it's easer to create
[07:09] <trukulo> mkcow ubuntuimage 3500
[07:09] <trukulo> for 3.5GB image
[07:09] <trukulo> if you only use 1GB, file is only 1GB
[07:09] <janneZzz> hum, wonder why qemu couldn't treat an ordinary file the same
[07:10] <janneZzz> well, for the dd, it doesn't actually take that space either
[07:10] <trukulo> don't know, i'm not an expert in qemu
[07:10] <trukulo> dd is not very intuitive either
[07:10] <janneZzz> no
[07:10] <janneZzz> true
[07:11] <janneZzz> I _really_ need to sleep
[07:11] <neighborlee> anyone else getting end of file errors during apt-get update for warty ?
[07:12] <schweeb> try again
[07:12] <neighborlee> heh yes of course..simple lag ;-)
[07:12] <neighborlee> magine that <wink>
[07:12] <trukulo> neighborlee, not here
[07:12] <neighborlee> kewl np thx
[07:12] <neighborlee> trukulo, timing is all
[07:13] <trukulo> janneZzz, done
[07:16] <lamont> jdub: offlineimap uploaded.
[07:16] <lamont> jdub/mdz: and 22 more criteria-meeting pkgs behind it... (b-d python...)
[07:16] <JakobS> hello! i tried to install ubunto but i realized that it doesnt have right dev nodes for my harddrive. i have 4 partions but it only shows one (part1). any suggestions
[07:16] <JakobS> ?
[07:16] <neighborlee> is mplayer not in universe ?..I uncommented sources but synaptic isn't finding it ;-)
[07:17] <Qerub> neighborlee: try marillats debian repository
[07:17] <neighborlee> ok
[07:17] <Qerub> neighborlee: there's no mplayer in debian because of legal issues
[07:20] <JakobS> does anybody have a clue how i could install??
[07:21] <neighborlee> Qerub, hmm I dont understand that though..mplayer by itself doesn't have to ship with 'those' libraries..mdk and others ship with mplayer its just not able to deal with encrypted DVD's as it were out of the box so I'm shocked debian can't do something similar
[07:21] <falkryn> same in debian with regards to mplayer if I remember
[07:21] <trukulo> JakobS, try making partitions again
[07:21] <falkryn> you could use totem instead
[07:21] <Qerub> neighborlee: It's not that.
[07:21] <neighborlee> totem wont player mpg's it seems
[07:22] <trukulo> i think it's about player license
[07:22] <Qerub> neighborlee: Debian does it that way with Xine,.
[07:22] <seb128> try totem-xine from universe if you want a good videos support
[07:22] <neighborlee> seb128, ok thx I shall
[07:22] <falkryn> speaking of which anyone know about getting quicktime plugin support?  with totem/xine?
[07:23] <neighborlee> seb128, thx ;-000
[07:23] <seb128> np
[07:23] <andred> Shoudn't we be reporting bugs against gstreamer based Totem so that it's finally fixed, instead of going for xine-based totem?
[07:24] <trukulo> falkryn, in sarge, i have qt with totem
[07:24] <trukulo> don't know what codec
[07:24] <falkryn> well I see libquicktime1
[07:24] <falkryn> wondering about moz firefox support
[07:24] <falkryn> just curious
[07:25] <Kinnison> hey jeff.
[07:25] <falkryn> apt-get install mozplugger, might have answered my own question ;-)
[07:25] <jbailey> Heya Daniel!
[07:25] <schweeb> I couldn't get gstreamer totem to play anything
[07:25] <schweeb> only audio
[07:25] <tm> I can't seem to get my aironet 350 card into monitor mode
[07:26] <Chriffer> I got gxine to work with firefox
[07:26] <seb128> jbailey: you here ? :)
[07:27] <seb128> schweeb: grab totem-xine from universe
[07:27] <schweeb> I did
[07:27] <jbailey> seb128: Figured I should poke my head in ;)
[07:27] <seb128> jbailey: welcome :)
[07:27] <schweeb> just commenting on the comments about 20 lines up
[07:27] <seb128> oh, ok
[07:28] <schweeb> don't really even use totem, use gxine, heh
[07:29] <Chriffer> gxine doesnt setup the plugin I don't think though
[07:29] <JakobS> trukulo: i have important data on my partions and they are ok...
[07:29] <Chriffer> You can get it done by hand though
[07:30] <JakobS> trukulo: and i have other linux distros running, now gentoo
[07:30] <JakobS> everything is well
[07:30] <trukulo> JakobS, umm, so partman, of d-i, can't see the other partitions?
[07:31] <Kamion> I'd look at 'parted /dev/discs/disc0/disc print' output on tty2
[07:32] <pbor> seb128: just curious, is totem-gstreamer crippled on purpose (patent/legal issues) or we can expect to see the proper plugins in universe in due time? (if the former, why xine is there?)
[07:35] <JakobS> trukulo: there are no dev nodes in /dev but partman can see them
[07:36] <trukulo> what computer do you use? scsi? laptop ? acpi failures?
[07:39] <Kamion> JakobS: the device nodes will not be called what you're used to
[07:39] <Kamion> JakobS: if partman can see them all, it must be working ...
[07:40] <seb128> pbor: yes, we have only totem-gstreamer and no ffmpeg plugin for legal reasons
[07:40] <seb128> pbor: btw plugins/xine/... in universe are ok
[07:42] <pbor> seb128: not sure if I parse it right... would for instance be ok have the gstreamer ffmpeg plugin in universe?
[07:42] <Kamion> npmccallum: sed's essential, you don't need to depend on it
[07:42] <Kamion> npmccallum: (and it's been essential forever, so it's really ok)
[07:42] <pbor> seb128: or it must go in an indipendent repo (like livna for fedora)
[07:43] <seb128> pbor: I think so, I'm not an expert on this plan, but be have xine which contains some ffmpeg parts ... so I guess it's ok
[07:43] <seb128> pbor: universe in not the supported part
[07:43] <pbor> seb128: ok, thanks for the clarification
[07:43] <seb128> np
[07:44] <Loduriel> is there any special way to install nvidia drivers in ubuntu?
[07:45] <clee> apt-get install nvidia-glx
[07:45] <clee> modprobe nvidia
[07:45] <clee> sed -e s/nv/nvidia/ -i /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[07:45] <clee> restart X.
[07:45] <azeem> is there a way to use the warty ISO as an rescue image? Like 'linux root=/dev/hda1' (except that doesn't work)
[07:46] <Loduriel> clee, thx
[07:46] <Loduriel> simple and clear
[07:46] <clee> Loduriel: no problem
[07:47] <Kamion> azeem: boot normally, run through the UI up to partitioning but without actually finishing the partitioning step, switch to tty2, mount your root partition, chroot
[07:47] <azeem> chroot.
[07:47] <azeem> that's what I forgot :-/
[07:47] <azeem> cheers
[07:48] <JakobS> Kamion: but it isnt working at all
[07:48] <Kamion> 18:35 < JakobS> trukulo: there are no dev nodes in /dev but partman can see them
[07:48] <Kamion> JakobS: what did you mean by that? you said that partman could see them
[07:48] <pbor> so with this new /media... am I supposed to mount my extra partition there or in /mnt?
[07:50] <JakobS> Kamion: I ment that there are no dev nodes for my partitons, partman can see them but when i tell it to use my 2nd partition it says it failed and i have to go back
[07:50] <azeem> Kamion: worked perfectly, thanks a bunch
[07:51] <neighborlee> is it possible to edit menus in gnome2.8 by chance graphically...if not what is used ? ;-)
[07:52] <JakobS> neighborlee: you just have to rightclick, as far as i know?
[07:53] <Chriffer> yeah open up applications:/// in nautilus
[07:53] <Chriffer> or thats how I did
[07:54] <neighborlee> checking 
[07:55] <Chriffer> But my applications:/// isn't in sync with the actual menu
[07:55] <yuran> the ubuntu installer is the new debian-installer right? 
[07:57] <Chriffer> They are related for sure, not sure you could say they are the some though
[07:57] <Chriffer> I'm sure someone knows better than I do
[07:57] <Kamion> yuran: right; we took d-i and made a number of modifications
[07:57] <Arrgh> Hello folks. I am trying to compile a vmware module but i cant find the kernel-headers for the default 2.6.8-2-386. Anyone know where to get them? (have included the restricted rep.)
[07:57] <yuran> well, it's the best installer i ever had the pleasure to use :) 
[07:58] <Kamion> we've been feeding bugfixes back upstream, although there are some changes that are more cosmetic/distribution-policy that haven't gone upstream (because Debian want to do things a different way)
[07:58] <neighborlee> Chriffer, not in sync as in doesn't currently take changes ? ;-)
[07:58] <trukulo> yuran, i agree with you, i love d-i of ubuntu
[07:59] <clee> d-i totally rules.
[07:59] <clee> it'll rule even more with a GUI frontend.
[07:59] <trukulo> clee, i don't need gui, but it will be good if it has
[07:59] <clee> trukulo: right.
[07:59] <Chriffer> I installed an app and it has a shortcut in applications:/// but the menu doesnt have it, so maybe they arent the same
[08:00] <Chriffer> The only issue I had with the installer was my dvorak keymap
[08:02] <sivang> clee : why must you have a gui frontend?
[08:02] <clee> sivang: I don't need one. I want one though.
[08:02] <clee> GUIs are shiny.
[08:02] <spiv> Arrgh: Try apt-get install linux-headers
[08:02] <sivang> clee : i just need one to show up to my winnie freinds :)
[08:02] <FBody> cjkjmk
[08:03] <Chriffer> Is there a good way to change the keymap in the installer it seemed to assume qwerty for US english
[08:03] <azeem> d-i would need to be HIGified before you can seriously fold it into GTK though I guess
[08:03] <Kinnison> sivang: I like the fact that it asks so few questions and only had to reboot once. that beats windows hands-down IMO :-)
[08:03] <Chriffer> Not that it matters now that I've run through the installer
[08:03] <Kamion> Chriffer: you'd have to run at a lower debconf priority
[08:03] <neighborlee> what is this d-i you are referring to ?LOL
[08:03] <Kamion> neighborlee: debian-installer
[08:03] <Arrgh> SPiv: Thanx will try that (used to do it the other way in Debian :) )
[08:04] <mdz> morning
[08:04] <Kinnison> hi mdz.
[08:04] <Kamion> Chriffer: use "go back" to get to the main menu, run the "choose keyboard layout" (or whatever it is, third from the top) step
[08:04] <trukulo> mdz, evening
[08:04] <Kamion> Chriffer: (I think that should work)
[08:04] <sivang> Kinnison : you said that!
[08:04] <sivang> :)
[08:05] <sivang> sivang : it is much better :)
[08:05] <Chriffer> Maybe I will try that in qemu or something
[08:05] <trukulo> Chriffer, read qemu howto in the wiki
[08:06] <sivang> Kinnison : feel free to ask me anything to clarify things.
[08:06] <Kinnison> sivang: Not me. It is 19:06 and I'm getting ready to go home from work for the weekend :-)
[08:06] <neighborlee> Kamion, lol ah ok heh
[08:19] <psi> how would I send in a translation of the Computer menu? many entries there are not translated to swedish    
[08:20] <trukulo> psi, wait until they organize the community
[08:20] <trukulo> it's very soon :)
[08:20] <daf> psi: have you done any translation work before?
[08:20] <tvon|X31> whats the official sources.list line / server ?
[08:21] <tvon|X31> I still have no-name-yet.com in there
[08:21] <psi> daf: no, not really
[08:21] <tseng> psi: add your info to the .desktop files and make diffs
[08:21] <daf> tseng: no, that's the wrong way to go about it
[08:21] <trukulo> don't you have to use gettext ?
[08:21] <daf> well, it might be good enough
[08:22] <tseng> sorry, thats how id submit anything else
[08:22] <daf> seb128: which package are the new .desktop files in?
[08:22] <daf> tseng: .desktop file translations are normally managed with intltool
[08:22] <daf> tseng: and so the change should be made to the PO file
[08:22] <tseng> hmm, right
[08:23] <psi> where do I find these files?
[08:26] <cybrjackle> hello
[08:26] <chris99> hello
[08:27] <cybrjackle> looks like your popularity has taken the apt mirror down?
[08:27] <chris99> I've just installed ubuntu for the first time - it's great, but...
[08:27] <violajack> does anyone know how to add entries to the applications menu?
[08:27] <trukulo> violajack, apt-get install ?
[08:28] <violajack> that installs the program, but doesn't add a menu entry for it
[08:28] <chris99> ...how to I change the screen resolution?  the Gnome configuration only offers me 640x480
[08:28] <trukulo> violajack, update-menu
[08:28] <cybrjackle> chris99, you need to edit /etc/X11/XFree86-r
[08:28] <cybrjackle> *4
[08:28] <cybrjackle> chris99, you need to edit /etc/X11/XFree86-4
[08:28] <trukulo> after apt-get
[08:28] <AElfwine> hi
[08:28] <trukulo> and it appends command in menu
[08:29] <chris99> ok, hang on while I try that...
[08:29] <ChtiTux> hi What is the default root password in the install ?
[08:29] <cybrjackle> your user you setup is ChtiTux
[08:29] <cybrjackle> sudo <command>
[08:29] <violajack> hmmm.....what would the exact syntax of that be, please?
[08:29] <AElfwine> I 've just installed Ubuntu on my PC but no I wasn t asked any root password at the installation, so I don t know him ..;
[08:29] <clee> ChtiTux: The root account is disabled
[08:29] <cybrjackle> passwd = first users passwd
[08:30] <ChtiTux> ok
[08:30] <trukulo> violajack, update-menu
[08:30] <clee> AElfwine: It's disabled
[08:30] <clee> AElfwine: You log in as the user you created during the install and do things with sudo
[08:30] <Kamion> chris99: instead of that, I'd suggest 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86'
[08:30] <AElfwine> clee : okokok
[08:30] <violajack> update-menu: command not found
[08:30] <Kamion> chris99: it's kind of detail overload, just pick the defaults; one of the later screens has a resolution list, and pick the ones you want there
[08:30] <AElfwine> clee ; thanks
[08:31] <cybrjackle> i had to edit for my laptop
[08:31] <cybrjackle> modelines and such
[08:31] <Kamion> cybrjackle: that's a bug, it should autodetect
[08:31] <cybrjackle> 2 box's and x didn't config right
[08:31] <Kamion> cybrjackle: Fabio posted to ubuntu-users recently with instructions on the information he needs to fix bugs like that
[08:31] <trukulo> cybrjackle, that's why it's beta
[08:31] <Kinnison> Evening
[08:31] <peteog> are there any mirrors for packages? archive.ubuntu.com seems rather slow for apt-get
[08:31] <Kamion> cybrjackle: please chase that up and file a bug with those details
[08:32] <mxpxpod> are there ubuntu repo mirrors?
[08:32] <cybrjackle> i'm not complaining people, i know how to edit, chill on me 8)
[08:32] <Kamion> peteog: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Archive
[08:32] <ChtiTux> Kamion
[08:32] <peteog> Kamion: thanks
[08:32] <Kamion> cybrjackle: I know, but we want to fix the autodetection and need help from the people for whom it failed
[08:32] <cybrjackle> i decided to take gentoo off my laptop after i put ubuntu on one of my desktops i liked it so much :)
[08:33] <cybrjackle> Kamion, ok, i need to get on the mailing list
[08:33] <cybrjackle> Kamion, are you part of the devel team?
[08:33] <Kamion> cybrjackle: yes
[08:33] <cybrjackle> any chance your getting mirrors for sources.list
[08:34] <Mayday> there are mirrors, check the wiki
[08:35] <cybrjackle> Mayday, i'm looking in wiki and don't see mirrors
[08:35] <mdz> cybrjackle: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Archive
[08:35] <ChtiTux> mdz
[08:35] <jdandr2> How can I install something like x2x?  should I use debian repositories ???
[08:36] <mdz> ChtiTux?
[08:36] <spiv> jdandr2: x2x is in universe
[08:36] <mdz> jdandr2: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the 'universe' component
[08:36] <mdz> essentially everything from Debian is available there
[08:37] <cybrjackle> thx Mithrandir
[08:37] <cybrjackle> oops,
[08:37] <cybrjackle> thx mdz
[08:37] <trukulo> lol
[08:37] <psi> haha
[08:38] <Kamion> mdz: was python-mode one of the things we took out for some reason in that desktop seed blitz? I forget ...
[08:38] <mdz> Kamion: I don't think so; I didn't even know about it
[08:38] <mdz> I use the built-in python mode
[08:38] <mdz> is python-mode superior?
[08:38] <mdz> or a newer version of the same thing?
[08:39] <psi> i didn't know there was a built in mode
[08:39] <chris99> XF86config-4 already has 800x600, but I can't switch to it.
[08:39] <chris99> I should probably just use a better monitor.
[08:39] <Kamion> chris99: look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log, I bet it'll say that it disabled it
[08:40] <psi> i thought only xemacs came with a python mode per default, but i might be wrong
[08:40] <Kamion> chris99: this is probably because autodetection of your monitor's sync and refresh ranges failed for some reason; few modern monitors are limited to 640x480
[08:41] <jdandr2> ugh... Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/source/Sources.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[08:42] <cybrjackle> chris99, what kind of monitor is it?  do you know your v/h rates?
[08:42] <spiv> jdandr2: Try again?  It works for me.
[08:43] <chris99> Kamion, it says "Not using mode "800x600" (no mode of this name)"
[08:43] <jdandr2> spiv, tried 4 times... :(
[08:43] <mdz> schweeb: thanks
[08:43] <jdandr2> will try from home
[08:43] <psi> mdz: how do you activate the built-in mode?
[08:43] <mdz> psi: open a .py file, or M-x python-mode
[08:43] <psi> no such thing here
[08:44] <mdz> eek
[08:44] <chris99> cybrjackle, it's a Samtron, fairly old, and its max resolution is 800x600.  Don't have the v/h rates to hand.
[08:44] <mdz> python-elisp seems to be missing
[08:44] <mdz> psi: apt-get install python-elisp
[08:44] <doko> no, python-mode
[08:44] <cybrjackle> chris99, what is the model #
[08:45] <mdz> doko, Kinnison: this would have been a nice thing to mention for desktop, oh, 2 months ago
[08:45] <chris99> cybrjackle, it's an SC428-PSL
[08:45] <Kinnison> mdz: two months ago I wasn't a python programmer
[08:45] <psi> mdz: do you mean pymacs-elisp?
[08:45] <doko> mdz: you don't notice it when you are using xemacs, because it's included there :(
[08:45] <Kinnison> pymacs is a python<->emacs integration tool IIRC
[08:46] <psi> yeah it doesn't seem like what I want
[08:46] <cybrjackle> chris99, http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/samtron/sc428psl.html
[08:46] <Kinnison> psi: You want to install python-mode :-)
[08:46] <cybrjackle> see if it autodetect those H/V settings
[08:46] <psi> there is no such package :)
[08:46] <mdz> psi: you want pymacs, too, but it's something different :-)
[08:46] <Kinnison> psi: You might need universe for it
[08:46] <mdz> psi: it's in universe
[08:46] <mdz> but it's something that I think we should bring in
[08:46] <psi> right
[08:47] <Kinnison> mdz: I concur.
[08:47] <chris99> cybrjackle, thanks, I'll try that
[08:47] <cybrjackle> yw
[08:49] <cybrjackle> finally, a mirror that isn't bogged down
[08:50] <tseng> theres mirrors?
[08:50] <psi> the universe is basically unsupported packages?
[08:50] <cybrjackle> tseng, ?
[08:50] <tseng> cybrjackle, where is the list of mirrors
[08:50] <trukulo> psi, i think universe is sid packages recompiled, but i'm not sure
[08:50] <cybrjackle> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[08:51] <psi> trukulo: ok
[08:51] <Mitario> hello everyone
[08:51] <psi> i remember reading about it *somewhere* :)
[08:51] <jdandr2> baba booe baba booe   ubuntu is the king of all linux
[08:52] <pbor> hey Mitario... so you are the misterious thresh applet guy, right? :)
[08:52] <Mitario> pbor, yeh :)
[08:53] <Kamion> trukulo: correct
[08:53] <pbor> afaik ubuntu desktop people were trying to get in touch with you...
[08:53] <Mitario> pbor, yeah, i didn't know they tried so hard :(
[08:53] <Mitario> some mails where lost on my local harddrive so i'm sorry for that you guys
[08:55] <pbor> Mitario: I don't think it's a problem, I suppose they just wanted to talk about the applet... /me is not part of the ubunto staff
[08:55] <Mitario> ah, ok, but still, i'm sorry :)
[08:55] <Kamion> I think there were some bug fixes we wanted to get in touch about, Seb Bacher or Jeff Waugh would know more
[08:55] <Mitario> yes i have them
[08:56] <Mitario> i'm requesting inclusion in gnome-applets atm, so we'll have a better bug tracking system and stuff
[08:56] <Mitario> i'm going to apply all the patches from ubuntu when trashapplet is in gnome cvs
[08:57] <Kamion> Mitario: cool
[08:58] <[Scizo] > uhmm .. anyone else getting a segfault when trying to install base-passwd ? (from setup app)
[08:58] <cybrjackle> so is this going to find/attatch my ipod and external usb hd on my laptop when i connect them automatically?
[08:58] <azeem> cybrjackle: just do it[tm] 
[08:58] <cybrjackle> with udev/dbus/gnome-volume-manager
[08:59] <cybrjackle> just got my wireless going, and it's rebooting then i'll try them
[09:00] <cybrjackle> woot wireless is up
[09:00] <cybrjackle> brb
[09:01] <cybrjackle> need to unplug and go to another desk
[09:04] <dieman> soory guys, im done messing with ftp.cs now
[09:04] <dieman> sorry
[09:04] <dieman> moved it to thttpd, apache was killing the machines
[09:04] <elmaya> hello
[09:04] <elmaya> is it normal for the installation to hang after selectin the languaje?
[09:05] <Kamion> elmaya: nope
[09:05] <elmaya> mmm
[09:05] <cartman> hmm any KDE packages for ubuntu yet?
[09:06] <elmaya> fuck
[09:06] <Kamion> cartman: there are some in universe, but the set isn't complete yet
[09:06] <cartman> universe?
[09:06] <Kamion> elmaya: switch to tty2 and poke around; use 'ps x' to see what's currently running
[09:06] <Kamion> cartman: see the FAQ and /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:06] <cartman> well I didn't installed ubuntu yet
[09:07] <elmaya> oh
[09:07] <Kamion> cartman: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[09:07] <cartman> Kamion: cheers
[09:08] <elmaya> seems like its not mounting the cd rom correclty
[09:08] <chris_> ...back after playing with X11 settings.
[09:08] <chris_> Didn't help though.
[09:09] <elmaya> agggggggggggg
[09:09] <elmaya> i want ubuntu
[09:10] <Kamion> elmaya: what's it doing at the point when it's stuck?
[09:10] <seb128> daf: what about the desktop files ?
[09:10] <elmaya> a blank screen appears
[09:10] <Deft> Kamion, you don't actually need to look in source.list, synaptic can change repositories on the fly...
[09:10] <elmaya> now a message says it could not mount the cdrom
[09:10] <Kamion> Deft: or that, yeah
[09:11] <elmaya> i will try changin to another cdrom reader
[09:12] <daf> seb128: the new Computer menu -- psi was asking about translating it into Swedish
[09:12] <seb128> daf: the computer menu is not vfolder, the strings are in gnome-panel
[09:12] <BluMax> any
[09:12] <daf> seb128: ah, right
[09:13] <seb128> daf: need an updated of po file, I've mailed the sounder list some time ago about that, I'll try to open a bug in bugzilla to collect translation
[09:13] <BluMax> anyone have Ubuntu runninng on a Mac Dual G%? or single G%?
[09:13] <Kamion> BluMax: you mean G5?
[09:13] <BluMax> oops  Dual G5 or single G5?
[09:13] <Kamion> BluMax: the Ubuntu powerpc build daemons are XServe G5s
[09:14] <Kamion> BluMax: I believe they're running in single-processor mode at the moment, but that's mostly for historical reasons
[09:14] <BluMax> yes I realise.  Just wanted to know if any users have it running on such
[09:16] <BluMax> does that mean that it will run on a Dual G5 machine
[09:16] <elmaya> :) its werking now... 
[09:17] <Kamion> BluMax: I expect it to run perfectly well, yes
[09:17] <BluMax> do I have to actually put my Dual G5 inti single processor mode
[09:17] <Kamion> no
[09:18] <BluMax> Cool thanks  I am going to install in a few days  thanjs  All
[09:19] <cybrjackle|lappy> Kamion, were and what did you want me to post about my 2 video card configs?
[09:20] <Kamion> cybrjackle|lappy: I'm not the relevant expert here, just passing on information; have a look for posts by Fabio Massimo di Nitto to ubuntu-users.
[09:21] <cybrjackle|lappy> ok
[09:21] <cybrjackle|lappy> thx
[09:21] <cybrjackle|lappy> i only asked you since you mentioned it ;)
[09:22] <Kamion> nobody relevant seemed to be around at the time :)
[09:22] <cybrjackle|lappy> lol, thx
[09:23] <daniels> hm
[09:23] <daniels> cybrjackle|lappy: what happens if you run 'sudo ddcprobe' in a terminal?
[09:24] <daniels> cybrjackle|lappy: (is your last line 'edidfail', or do you have a list of resolutions in lines starting with 'timing' or 'ctiming'?)
[09:24] <cybrjackle|lappy> i'm on a laptop right now, doesn't have dual
[09:24] <cybrjackle|lappy> ah
[09:24] <cybrjackle|lappy> yes it does
[09:25] <daniels> it gives you a list of resolutions?
[09:25] <cybrjackle|lappy> yep
[09:25] <daniels> awesome
[09:25] <daniels> what happens if you run 'sudo xresprobe dummy'?
[09:25] <cybrjackle|lappy> not what i'm using or what it can handle though
[09:25] <elmaya> fuck... i hate grub... 
[09:25] <tseng> daniels: hey baby
[09:25] <daniels> tseng: yo
[09:25] <daniels> cybrjackle|lappy: oh, laptop
[09:26] <daniels> cybrjackle|lappy: what sort of video chipset does your laptop use?
[09:26] <cybrjackle|lappy> yeah, i can do 1680x1050
[09:26] <daniels> woah, esoteric :)
[09:26] <cybrjackle|lappy> nv5700 w/ 64mb
[09:26] <daniels> is that on laptop or desktop?
[09:26] <cybrjackle|lappy> ;)
[09:26] <elmaya> widescreen lap
[09:26] <cybrjackle|lappy> hp zd7260
[09:26] <cybrjackle|lappy> 17"
[09:26] <cybrjackle|lappy> desktop replacement ;0
[09:27] <daniels> fabbione: ^^ i'm putting that into ubuntu10
[09:27] <daniels> cybrjackle|lappy: we'll have a fix for you :) thanks for the report
[09:27] <cybrjackle|lappy> my ultra 5700 in my desktop came up bad too
[09:27] <cybrjackle|lappy> wasn't even usable
[09:28] <cybrjackle|lappy> flickering and screen shaking
[09:28] <daniels> so, if you run 'sudo xresprobe nv' on your laptop, what does it spit out?
[09:28] <cybrjackle|lappy> i think it is more xfree86
[09:28] <cybrjackle|lappy> 640x480
[09:28] <daniels> woah, suck.
[09:28] <cybrjackle|lappy> and that is what it started at
[09:28] <cybrjackle|lappy> yep 
[09:29] <cybrjackle|lappy> i edited manually and added modelines
[09:29] <daniels> ok, that requires some more debugging and work; i'll file a bug
[09:29] <cybrjackle|lappy> the res v/h was all wrong too
[09:29] <daniels> the desktop thindesktop thing is strange though
[09:29] <daniels> what sort of display do you have there?
[09:29] <cybrjackle|lappy> sony gdm-5410 21" / FX 5700 ultra w/ 128mb
[09:30] <cybrjackle|lappy> sony was picked up correctly, but the card was wrong
[09:30] <daniels> (hooray for lag)
[09:30] <cybrjackle|lappy> I think it is really the xfree86 on that card
[09:30] <cybrjackle|lappy> 4.4 worked fine with "nv" when it had come out on slackware and xorg-6.7/.8 have no problems with "nv" too.
[09:31] <cybrjackle|lappy> but 4.3.xxx has never worked on that card w/out going straight to "nvidia"
[09:31] <tseng> damn shame xorg missed warty
[09:32] <cybrjackle|lappy> 2nd that
[09:32] <elmaya> yup
[09:32] <cybrjackle|lappy> i think i'll just build from cvs though
[09:32] <cybrjackle|lappy> since there isn't a .deb in the world to be found for xorg
[09:33] <punkass_> any word on firefox 1.0 in repository?
[09:33] <daniels> cybrjackle|lappy: hm, we've just backported pretty much the entire nv driver from xorg cvs
[09:34] <daniels> cybrjackle|lappy: could you please run sudo XFree86 :42 -ac -logfile /tmp/xfree86-nv-1680x1050.log -logverbose 999999999 ?
[09:34] <daniels> cybrjackle|lappy: and email the output to daniel.stone@canonical.com, cc'ing fabbione@canonical.com
[09:34] <Deft> firefox 0.9 could be in sarge tomorrow, so then 0.10 could be in sid, and then maybe in ubuntu afterwards...?
[09:34] <cybrjackle|lappy> daniels, any other q&a on the cards?
[09:34] <cybrjackle|lappy> hum well my wireless dropped ;(
[09:35] <cybrjackle|lappy> back though
[09:35] <cybrjackle|lappy> daniels, on laptop or desktop
[09:35] <daniels> cybrjackle|lappy: not really -- basically, once we get the nv driver into Warty (expected to happen in a week or such), we can detect your panel properly
[09:35] <daniels> cybrjackle|lappy: um, so yeah, actually don't worry about the log
[09:35] <cybrjackle|lappy> ok
[09:36] <daniels> so, with your desktop
[09:36] <daniels> is it a dvi or lcd?
[09:36] <daniels> er, lcd or crt
[09:36] <cybrjackle|lappy> um um
[09:36] <cybrjackle|lappy> i would say crt
[09:36] <cybrjackle|lappy> settings were corect on it
[09:36] <cybrjackle|lappy> *correct
[09:37] <cybrjackle|lappy> http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/sony/gdm5410.html
[09:37] <cybrjackle|lappy> monitor specs
[09:39] <cybrjackle|lappy> is warty supposed to install a kernel based on smp or not (HT included) or will it always install the i386 kernel during install?
[09:39] <maya-ubuntu> yeaahhhhHHHH!
[09:41] <philipss> hey folks
[09:42] <cybrjackle|lappy> hello philipss
[09:42] <blocke> hmm, anyone have any experience diagnosing laptop/acpi troubles?
[09:43] <cybrjackle|lappy> what kind of problems
[09:43] <philipss> i'm wondering how does one thing work in ubuntu .. plugging my usb key, it appears on the desktop ... what's behind that magic ?
[09:43] <daniels> cybrjackle|lappy: what happens if you run 'sudo xresprobe nv' on that machine?
[09:43] <psi> has anyone tried running ubuntu with 64 MB of ram? (with gnome)
[09:43] <blocke> cybrjackle|lappy: whenever I close the lid the system locks solid instantly
[09:43] <Deft_u> philipss: udev, hal, gnome-volume-manager
[09:43] <daniels> cybrjackle|lappy: (the desktop wit h the crt)
[09:43] <cybrjackle|lappy> daniels, lappy or desktop?
[09:44] <cybrjackle|lappy> let me go over there, brb
[09:44] <daniels> desktop :)
[09:44] <blocke> I also had to disable pnpbios as parport, ipw2100 and snd-i810audio were fighting over the same IRQ but that seems to be a seperate issue
[09:44] <philipss> Deft_u: thx for infos :)
[09:44] <trukulo> blocke, try booting with : nolapic
[09:44] <philipss> ubuntu rox
[09:44] <blocke> noapic rather?
[09:45] <cybrjackle> daniels, gives a bunch of resolutions
[09:45] <trukulo> no, nolapic
[09:45] <cybrjackle> correct freq and no erors
[09:45] <trukulo> it means: no local apic
[09:45] <blocke> trukulo: ah ok, was that in response to the pnpbios issue or the laptop locking up when lid is closed issue?
[09:45] <trukulo> i was mad about that
[09:45] <trukulo> blocke, i don't understand very well, i'm not native english
[09:46] <cybrjackle> daniels, however it didn't give me 1600x1200
[09:46] <trukulo> lid ?
[09:46] <daniels> cybrjackle: `hm
[09:46] <daniels> cybrjackle: oh?
[09:46] <daniels> cybrjackle: could you please email the output of 'sudo ddcprobe' to daniel.stone@canonical.com?
[09:46] <daniels> i'll have a look over it and we can keep on debugging this
[09:46] <daniels> i have a feeling this is going to be really painful
[09:46] <blocke> trukulo: when you close the lid of a laptop it presses the button, under windows the laptop starts "sleeping", but with ubuntu the system stops responding
[09:46] <cybrjackle> ok
[09:46] <blocke> can't even get a kernel panic or anything... hmm
[09:46] <trukulo> blocke, ah, perhaps it works, then
[09:47] <trukulo> if your laptop haven't got a good acpi, local apic it's a pain in the ass
[09:47] <trukulo> try it, and tell me
[09:47] <daniels> ... or maybe I've already fixed it :)
[09:48] <trukulo> daniels, ubuntu has cpufreq by default ?
[09:48] <daniels> trukulo: i believe so, yes
[09:49] <Mitario> why is the word 'trashapplet' red highlited in the faq btw? :)
[09:49] <trukulo> daniels, thanks
[09:50] <blocke> hmm nolapic seems to fix the laptop locking up when lid is closed
[09:50] <blocke> trukulo: thanks
[09:50] <trukulo> blocke, you're wellcome boy ;)
[09:51] <trukulo> nice to help you
[09:51] <trukulo> you don't need pnpbios=off i think
[09:52] <blocke> if I don't use pnpbios=off parport seems to claim interrupt 7 and block ip2100 and the alsa sound driver for i810 audio from using it
[09:52] <trukulo> umm, ok
[09:52] <tseng> blocke: same here
[09:53] <trukulo> blocke, what laptop do you use?
[09:53] <tseng> on both counts
[09:53] <blocke> it seems I didn't run into this issue with fedora because fedora disables pnpbios 
[09:53] <blocke> Dell Latitude D600
[09:53] <tseng> inspirion 600m here
[09:53] <blocke> and I wonder if they disable lapic
[09:53] <trukulo> what graphics card ?
[09:54] <blocke> hal says Radeon R250 Lf (Mobility 9000)
[09:54] <tseng> blocke: i filed a bug
[09:54] <tseng> let me find it
[09:54] <cybrjackle> tseng, do you use any other distros or irc rooms?  name looks familiar
[09:54] <tseng> cybrjackle: im a gentoo developer
[09:54] <cybrjackle> ah yes
[09:54] <tseng> im in rooms all over the place
[09:54] <cybrjackle> that is why
[09:54] <Parisi> heh
[09:55] <tseng> blocke: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1322
[09:55] <Parisi> :)
[09:55] <tseng> blocke: could you add your info there as well?
[09:56] <blocke> sure, I'll add it in a few minutes
[09:57] <cybrjackle> is it possible that my sound cards right side is hosed or am i missing a setting?
[09:57] <tseng> thanks blocke 
[09:57] <cybrjackle> could have sworn it was working before i installed
[09:57] <tseng> let me go get a dmesg w/o lapic
[09:59] <blocke> tseng: have you had time to test your ipw2100 yet?
[09:59] <Parisi> bbl folks, work time :/
[09:59] <Mitario> hmm, i see bugreports for xorg in the bugzilla, is this package in warty?
[10:00] <daniels> no, but it will be in hoary (the next release, which will have a public development branch)
[10:00] <daniels> please don't file bug reports against xorg
[10:00] <maya-ubuntu> why i dont have the ussual icons on the default desktop?
[10:00] <Mitario> ah, ok, thanks
[10:00] <blocke> are you guys throwing up public access to your personal unstable branch?
[10:00] <cybrjackle> well, i need to boot into rawhide and make sure i'm not smoking crack and have audio on my right side...
[10:00] <daniels> (or xdotorg, as it were)
[10:00] <Mitario> no i won't, i just wanted to try it :)
[10:00] <blocke> maya-ubuntu: its by design
[10:00] <maya-ubuntu> :(
[10:01] <blocke> you can always go gconf diving to turn them back on
[10:01] <daniels> blocke: during its development cycle, hoary will be public, yah
[10:01] <blocke> daniels: cool
[10:01] <cybrjackle> anyone thinkg of why right side sound wouldn't work?
[10:01] <cybrjackle> unless i blew it
[10:01] <blocke> daniels: btw, is suspend in the debian/ubuntu kernel sane?  its been a while since I followed what patch sets debian was using
[10:02] <daniels> blocke: it should be fine; iirc, we have some acpi patches to fix all that sort of stuff up
[10:02] <daniels> it certainly works great on the thinkpad x40 ;)
[10:02] <blocke> daniels: on your laptop did you just edit the lid acpi event script?
[10:02] <maya-ubuntu> where's root?
[10:03] <daniels> blocke: ... my laptop's dead, and when I had one, the lid switch met its death at the hands of a pair of pliers
[10:03] <blocke> maya-ubuntu: disabled by default, do "sudo bash" to su into a root shell
[10:03] <cybrjackle> ok, i'll be back need a smoke and take a hammer to my sound card....
[10:03] <blocke> daniels: eh hehe
[10:03] <daniels> (it was so slow that I'd start a compile, shut it and put it in my bag or something as I travelled, and wanted it to keep compiling; hence using the sleep button to suspend.)
[10:03] <maya-ubuntu> thanx blocke sorry about this stupid questions
[10:03] <blocke> I'm hoping this is finally the distro I can get suspend working under
[10:03] <daniels> what sort of laptop?
[10:03] <blocke> dell latitude d600
[10:04] <daniels> hm
[10:04] <blocke> I'm a net admin/engineer and not having suspend kinda crimps my style when running between closets hehe
[10:04] <daniels> heh
[10:05] <tseng> blocke: its an ipw2200, i dont have the 2100 in
[10:05] <blocke> tseng: ah you paid for the upgrade, ok thanks anyway :)
[10:05] <tseng> the 2100 worked on gentoo
[10:05] <tseng> same driver obviously
[10:06] <tseng> just havent bothered to downgrade :)
[10:06] <blocke> yeah I had it working under fedora, its not pulling an IP now for some reason, hmm
[10:06] <Tybstar> ipw2100 and ipw2200 don't use the same driver
[10:06] <tseng> Tybstar: no kidding
[10:06] <tseng> same driver in gentoo and ubuntu...
[10:06] <Tybstar> ah
[10:06] <Tybstar> i misunderstood ;0
[10:06] <blocke> anyway, its great there is finally a second viable gnome desktop distro :)
[10:07] <tseng> yep
[10:09] <laotse> blocke: I've got the 2100 working on fedora
[10:09] <laotse> blocke: it was a pain to get working, but eventually I got it
[10:09] <laotse> blocke: working w/ 2.6.8
[10:10] <laotse> blocke: was thinking about trying ubuntu on my laptop over the weekend and seeing if I could get it all up and running on it
[10:10] <blocke> laotse: yeah, it worked though for some reason I had to unload and load the module a second time for it to load its firmware
[10:11] <psi> has anyone tried the marillat mplayer packages for debian under ubuntu?
[10:11] <scaroo> laotse, 2100 works easily under ubuntu, i just had to add my wireless_key in the interfaces conf file 
[10:11] <scaroo> and it "just works (tm)"
[10:12] <blocke> the driver and firmware seems to load fine, its just not pulling an IP, I'm going to wander down the hall in a sec to see if the AP being a pain
[10:13] <scaroo> have you tried with a fixed ip ?
[10:14] <blocke> hmm ipw2100 doesn't seem to be sleep compatible
[10:15] <blocke> no wait, grrr, what the hell is waking it up hehe
[10:15] <wilhem> Hi, I'd like to try Ubuntu on a PowerBook G4. Is there a Live CD image available so that I don't have to wipe my hard drive?
[10:15] <pestilence> i'm a new ubuntu user, a long time debian user -- question: can i add debian sources to /etc/apt/sources and install packages from there safely?
[10:15] <Kamion> wilhem: I'm afraid not, we haven't got a powerpc live CD yet
[10:16] <pestilence> there are some packages missing but are available in debian...
[10:16] <wilhem> Kamion: Any timeframe for the availability of a live CD?
[10:20] <elmaya> ubuntu rocks!
[10:23] <punkass_> i just installed ubuntu on a dell D600 and it says that there is no wireless devices...even tho it has it built in..anything i need to do so it can find the wireless?
[10:23] <Kamion> wilhem: can't answer that I'm afraid, although if somebody outside the core team wanted to give it a shot they'd be most welcome :)
[10:23] <Kamion> wilhem: for warty, we'll probably only have i386
[10:24] <Kamion> punkass_: send us the output of 'lspci' and 'lspci -n', and the driver that should be used
[10:24] <scaroo> punkass_, does "dmesg | grep ipw" gives you anything ?
[10:24] <maswan> elmo, Kamion: ok, the ftp.acc.umu.se package mirror should update every hour now
[10:25] <Kamion> maswan: cool
[10:25] <punkass_> scaroo: nope
[10:25] <maswan> Kamion: You want me to sync so that it is run just after it is updated, it is cron, so I'd need a time of day?
[10:25] <Kamion> punkass_: oh, if it's an ipw card those won't be detected during the installer yet, it's on our to-do list ...
[10:25] <elmaya> where do i set the runlevel?
[10:25] <Kamion> maswan: cron.daily runs at 3 and 33 minutes past the hour, usually takes a few minutes
[10:26] <cybrjackle|ubunt> that sucks
[10:26] <cybrjackle|ubunt> think i blew my audigy 2 zs card the other day
[10:26] <cybrjackle|ubunt> or a couple channels anyway
[10:26] <andred> I'm content with the fact that menus are used instead of desktop icons, although I think it might be harder for people to find what they need. How about splitting up the Computer menu in two menus, one containing obviously computer related stuff like "System Configuration", "Disks", "Network" (and perhaps Logout and Lock Screen) and then having another menu with more user-oriented items such as Home, Documents, Search for files, etc?
[10:27] <maswan> Kamion: this ought to be ok then? 10,40 * * * * /var/conf/ftp-deb/bin/ubuntu
[10:27] <maswan> Kamion: or should I add another 5 minutes, just to be sure?
[10:27] <cybrjackle|desk> andred, i liked the new menu layout
[10:28] <punkass_> Kamion: i am not sure what it is
[10:28] <cybrjackle|desk> daniels, still here?
[10:28] <ggi> I probably sort of asked this earlier, but why doesn't universe include stuff from Debian contrib?
[10:28] <maswan> (sorry for the re-use of the ftp-deb user, but it has kind of ended up as the one with a $HOME and infrastructure to host a bunch of scripts, cron and triggered)
[10:28] <wilhem> Kamion: alright. And for x86? Where is only one CD image available on the website. I guess it is the installable CD. Is there already a live CD for x86?
[10:28] <andred> cybrjackle|desk, I like the general idea, but I think too many different items are lumped under "Computer".
[10:28] <Kamion> maswan: sounds fine
[10:29] <wilhem> Kamion: oops... "Where is" should read "There is"
[10:29] <daniels> cybrjackle|desk: hey dude
[10:29] <maswan> Kamion: Ok, let me know if you want it updated or so. I don't have the space currently for all those cdimages though.
[10:30] <daniels> cybrjackle|desk: your monitor is, um, interesting :)
[10:30] <daniels> cybrjackle|desk: i know how to support it, it just needs some work
[10:30] <Kamion> wilhem: the live CD wasn't updated in time for the preview, and wasn't suitable for release at the time; it'll be there for final release
[10:30] <cybrjackle|desk> hey i've rebooted 3x since i've had ubuntu on here and each time i have to remove all the nvidia packages and re-install them
[10:30] <daniels> cybrjackle|desk: where do you find this bizzare hardware? :)
[10:30] <maswan> Kamion: Oh, and feel free to point dns records there if you want. :)
[10:30] <Kamion> maswan: not something I can do
[10:30] <cybrjackle|desk> i have a lot of sun hardware and the monitor has a big SUN on it ;)
[10:30] <Kamion> maswan: (that's elmo's bailiwick)
[10:30] <elmaya> is there a way to setup grub to not press the esc button for the menu choices?
[10:31] <cybrjackle|desk> but its really a sony
[10:31] <wilhem> Kamion: OK, thanks for the info.
[10:31] <daniels> cybrjackle|desk: why the hell it's reporting custom resolutions of 2288x1430 @ 123Hz is totally beyond me
[10:31] <maswan> Kamion: ACK
[10:31] <daniels> cybrjackle|desk: can it actually do that?
[10:31] <cybrjackle|desk> not sure, haven't tried it
[10:31] <Deft> daniels, I have a very normal monitor that doesn't get detected, fancy that instead?
[10:31] <scaroo> elmaya, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and comment the "hidemenu" line
[10:32] <daniels> Deft: oooer :)
[10:32] <cybrjackle|desk> let me look something up on sunsolve
[10:32] <scaroo> elmaya, then run grub -install
[10:32] <daniels> Deft: please email the output of 'sudo xresprobe dummy' and 'sudo ddcprobe' to daniel.stone@canonical.com
[10:32] <scaroo> grub-install
[10:32] <elmaya> thanls scaroo
[10:32] <elmaya> thanks
[10:34] <Mitario> daniels, do you have test ubuntu packages of xorg somewhere?
[10:34] <cybrjackle|desk> http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Devices/Monitor/MONITOR_Color_21_Prem_Flat_CRT.html
[10:34] <cybrjackle|desk> daniels, ^^^
[10:34] <daniels> Mitario: no, sorry
[10:34] <Mitario> ok np
[10:34] <cybrjackle|desk> thats the puppy
[10:38] <daniels> cybrjackle|desk: that monitor inspired the creation of a resolution blacklist
[10:38] <daniels> which ignores known bizzare resolutions
[10:38] <cybrjackle|desk> ;)
[10:39] <cybrjackle|desk> I only do the 1600x1200 anyway
[10:39] <cybrjackle|desk> aru, ??
[10:39] <punkass_> so if its ipw wireless how do i go about making it work?
[10:39] <aru> yes?
[10:39] <cybrjackle|desk> mdk
[10:39] <Deft_u> daniels: sent hopefully, but I've never used Evolution, so I'm just hoping it's set up right (My name is Phil btw)
[10:41] <punkass_> Kamion: where should i send my lspci outputs u wanted?
[10:41] <cybrjackle|desk> aru, mdkusers.org ??
[10:41] <cybrjackle|desk> board
[10:41] <aru> I have no idea what you are talking about
[10:41] <cybrjackle|desk> ok
[10:41] <cybrjackle|desk> different aru ;)
[10:41] <Deft_u> or not, time to ssh to somewhere with thunderbird...
[10:42] <punkass_> Kamion: according to lspci it is :  Broadcom Corporation BCM94306 802.11g (rev 03)
[10:42] <cybrjackle|desk> daniels, i would say it is pretty safe to say not to many people will be running this monitor.
[10:43] <jbailey> Is Canonical accepting money for support on ubuntu yet?
[10:45] <tseng> jbailey: ubuntu isnt even finished yet
[10:45] <tseng> this is a beta period
[10:46] <clee> tseng: but jbailey wants to throw money at them anyway :)
[10:46] <tseng> heh
[10:46] <jbailey> tseng: Yes, but some companies will accept money being thrown at them to get support during a beta period.
[10:46] <tseng> make the check out to Daniel Stone
[10:46] <dat> hey.. i'm on a laptop w/ no cdrom and no floppy.. what options do i have to install ubuntu?
[10:47] <tseng> support his drinking habit
[10:47] <Tomcat_> dat: Network?
[10:47] <jbailey> tseng: I've never seen him in a habit.  I suspect he'd look... amusing.
[10:47] <tvon|X31> dat: PXE boot?
[10:47] <dat> i'll make it easier for you.. i have a linux distro on here already
[10:48] <tseng> dat: netboot?
[10:48] <jbailey> clee: I will take the fastest path to a support Debian-based distro. =)
[10:48] <dat> no PXE
[10:48] <clee> jbailey: :)
[10:48] <tvon|X31> dat: pxe boot == boting off of ether...ah, okay
[10:48] <dat> er.. YES. .pxe
[10:48] <jbailey> clee: supported, rather.
[10:48] <clee> jbailey: I can only second the recommendation that you donate to daniels
[10:48] <tvon|X31> It is possible to build grub with pxe support, though I have not done it
[10:49] <tvon|X31> dat: oh, if you have PXe and another box around you can setup dhcp and tftp...there are HOWTO's around for doing this
[10:49] <clee> jbailey: seriously. anything to get us Xorg 6.8 packages faster.
[10:49] <tvon|X31> dat: I have a laptop with no drives and I've installed it over PXE a number of times
[10:49] <tvon|X31> though the initial server setup was a pain
[10:49] <dat> tvon|X31: already having a distro on here doesn't give me a head start?
[10:51] <tvon|X31> dat: not really....you could fudge an install if you have a spare partition and want to use debootstrap to setup a debian chroot, and then upgrade it with ubuntu sources
[10:51] <Deft_u> has anyone had any problem with keyboard shortcuts? my windows keys aren't being recognised as modifiers
[10:51] <dat> tvon|X31: can you point me to some howto's
[10:52] <tvon|X31> dat: for what, the chroot or the pxe?
[10:52] <yuran> can't lilo boot straight from an .iso on an existing filesystem? 
[10:52] <tseng> grub can
[10:52] <tseng> no idea about lilo
[10:52] <yuran> well, then that's the solution :)
[10:53] <tvon|X31> hrm, thats spiffy, wasnt aware
[10:53] <dat> tvon|X31: well.. i've setup a pxe server before.. w/ knoppix..
[10:53] <dat> tvon|X31: so i can handle that.. and i can handle the chroot part
[10:53] <tvon|X31> dat: then you need to google around about tftp and pxelinux
[10:53] <dat> what i'm not sure about is the net install w/ ubuntu
[10:54] <dat> tvon|X31: why can't i just use the pxe server from knoppix.. worked like a charm for when I setup this install
[10:54] <tvon|X31> dat: basically you setup tftp/pxelinux to boot off of the installation image, instead of the knoppix or terminal client image..
[10:55] <dat> tvon|X31: ahh.. isn't there a net install or something?
[10:55] <aru> i think I have a bad hdd... my install keeps hanging
[10:55] <dat> i also have a flash drive that i should be able to make bootable
[10:55] <punkass_> so i have this dell d600 with a Broadcom BCM94306 wireless build in...is there anything ubuntu has for this or do i have to install the ndiswrappers etc?
[10:55] <tvon|X31> dat: you have to boot off of *something* to get the net install going
[10:55] <tvon|X31> dat: you can try the flash drive, I was never able to get mine to boot
[10:55] <dat> tvon|X31: yes.. i have a pendrive
[10:56] <dat> tvon|X31: 256mb
[10:56] <dat> tvon|X31: which should be able to be bootable
[10:56] <tvon|X31> dat: if you can get that bootable, then find a netboot floppy image or mini-cd image and go that route
[10:56] <aru> if i quit the install while its copying remaining packages to the disk, will it still boot?
[10:57] <dat> are there ubuntu mini-cd images?
[10:57] <tvon|X31> dunno
[10:57] <subterrific> daniels: not yet
[10:57] <subterrific> err dat
[10:57] <dat> sweet.. maybe i'll just try to hunt around for a usb cdrom drive or something
[10:57] <subterrific> lagged autocomplete
[10:59] <punkass_> so any thoughts on my wireless issue?
[10:59] <tvon|X31> dat: well, one route to go....heh...is to find a Best Buy or a place with a solid return policy and get a usb floppy/cdrom, do the install and then return it
[10:59] <Mayday> there are mini-cd images, i installed from a 4.4mb iso, that pulled most stuff from the net
[10:59] <tvon|X31> In good concious I can't advocate that method, but it...erm...worked for me in the past
[11:00] <elmaya> install ndiswrapper
[11:00] <punkass_> ok...is it in debian...or should i just get it from cvs?
[11:01] <||cw> if it's G you'll probably need the wrappers
[11:01] <subterrific> Mayday: where?
[11:01] <punkass_> ok cuz right now it just says there is no wireless devices found
[11:02] <ajmitch_> hey ||cw :)
[11:02] <||cw> 'lo
[11:02] <Mayday> subterrific: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[11:02] <Mayday> i guess it is in the ubuntu archive to
[11:03] <||cw> has anyone else noticed/cared that lilo isn't in warty?  I kind don't like grub
[11:03] <subterrific> oh cool
[11:04] <elmaya> yup
[11:04] <elmaya> i hate grub
[11:04] <Deft> ||cw, do you really see grub for that long? it is a lot better and all...
[11:04] <||cw> well, it's a dual boot laptop, so I see it often enough
[11:04] <falkryn> gag beats em all (lilo and grub) actually
[11:05] <jbailey> Why do you hate grub?
[11:05] <pestilence> i'm having trouble with sound, can anybody help me?
[11:05] <||cw> until I can figure out dv/dvd editing in linux I kinda have to have windows
[11:05] <subterrific> what is wrong with grub?
[11:05] <falkryn> especially if like me you like to do nasty things like use bsd, linux, solaris, windows, and such
[11:05] <mako> does ubuntu come with an "internet connecting tool which can handle an usb-dsl-modem"?
[11:05] <mako> jbailey: hola!
[11:05] <elmaya> grub is bad
[11:05] <subterrific> why?
[11:05] <Deft> you can change how grub looks, I wouldn't expect it to be included 'cause boot loaders screw up so much anyway with only one to think about
[11:05] <azeem> mako: see seb128's post on -devel
[11:06] <azeem> maybe that's it
[11:06] <jbailey> Heya mako, long time!
[11:06] <||cw> jbailey: just the number of time it's failed to install for me with reason, and that (at least as ubuntu's default) it doesn't start off by showing me a menu
[11:06] <||cw> *with no reason
[11:06] <||cw> mako: yes, if you can find a driver for your modem
[11:06] <seb128> mako: here we need eagle-usb for this
[11:06] <seb128> which is in universe for the moment
[11:07] <falkryn> ||cw: seriously guys, check out gag if you hate grub.  much much better, has saved me a ton of trouble since I started using it.
[11:07] <||cw> Deft: I'd agree with that, except the installer offers lilo
[11:07] <mako> azeem: is that the only option?
[11:07] <mako> sorry.. for seb128 
[11:07] <azeem> no idea
[11:07] <Mayday> ||cw: just comment out the "hiddenmenu" row in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:07] <mako> seb128: i'll forward you an email i got about someone asking for this
[11:08] <mako> he asks two question, the first is easy "whats our bootloader", but i don't know about the second
[11:08] <seb128> mako: why not following on the lists ?
[11:08] <mako> he sent it to me offlist, i don't want to forward it
[11:08] <seb128> ok
[11:08] <mako> i mean, not to an archived public list
[11:08] <mako> i'll happily forward it to you :)
[11:09] <seb128> but if somebody wants to replty on my mail on ubuntu-devel about eagle-usb ... feel free :)
[11:09] <seb128> ok 
[11:10] <||cw> now back to wireless... I've got a orinoco based card that's i've gotten working on deb sarge with a 2.4 kernel, same method didn't work in ubuntu, does 2.6 kernel some different way?  I found the method that worked on google and tried to find a new one but couldn't find one
[11:10] <mdz> ||cw: orinoco should work out of the box, at least the cards I've used
 dat: well, one route to go....heh...is to find a Best Buy or a place with a solid return policy and get a usb floppy/cdrom, do the install and then return it
[11:11] <elmaya> is apt-get ready to use in default instalation... i did apt-get install samba and is stucked
[11:11] <dat> tvon|X31: yeah. that's true
[11:11] <||cw> it's a wpc11 v2.5, having odd issues though, won't even light up until I restart pcmcia service... maybe I should start there
[11:12] <||cw> elmaya: if you answered yes to set it up during install, then it should be ready.  check /etc/apt/source.list
[11:12] <||cw> sources.list
[11:12] <mdz> elmaya: the servers are a bit loaded right now; give it a minute
[11:13] <elmaya> ok
[11:14] <elmaya> hehe its working now
[11:15] <mako> jdub: any reason we we wouldn't want the ubuntu lists gmame'ed?
[11:16] <Elyran> sorry
[11:16] <Elyran> what's the default FS type on ubuntu ?
[11:16] <||cw> ext3
[11:16] <||cw> i think
[11:16] <Elyran> oki thx
[11:16] <crimsun> ext3
[11:16] <Elyran> thxw
[11:17] <||cw> I do manual so I wasn't sure, but when you create a partition it defaults to ext3
[11:22] <djtansey> has anyone updated from sarge to warty here? if you had problems, where were they?
[11:25] <punkass_> ok i am trying to build the ndiswrapper but it wants kernel-image or sources....but i cant seem to find any for the 2.6.8.1-2-386 kernel that ubuntu comes with
[11:26] <||cw> there's no kernel-header package?  or kernel-source?
[11:26] <punkass_> there is ...but not for that kernel
[11:27] <punkass_> 2.6.7 is as high as they go
[11:27] <azeem> it's linux-source, AFAIK
[11:27] <||cw> weird, even sarge has a 2.6.8
[11:27] <punkass_> azeem..thanks that looks like it
[11:27] <[Clint] > and linux-image
[11:28] <punkass_> thanks...linux-image seems to be already installed
[11:29] <lamont_r> linux-image-2.6-686 is your friend s/686/whatever/
[11:31] <Deft_u> 686? does that really exist?
[11:32] <Chriffer> pentium 2/ amd k6 and above are 686s
[11:32] <Deft_u> (the kernel image I mean, I'm fairly sure 686 exists itself)
[11:32] <Chriffer> bah!
[11:33] <Deft_u> fairly annoying using 386 instead of my normal k7 images...
[11:35] <mdz> jdub: ping?
[11:38] <rexiboy> hello
[11:38] <rexiboy> trying out ubuntu for the first time, installed the amd64 but got problem with x
[11:39] <Deft_u> hmm, dpkg -l doesn't show the same as the synaptic list
[11:41] <psi> do the madwifi drivers included support wpa or do you need to grab the ones from cvs?
[11:44] <punkass_> You dont seem to have sources for your kernel; install them in /usr/src, link /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-2-386/build to it and try again
[11:44] <punkass_> how would i go about that?
[11:44] <punkass_> i know its ln -s
[11:44] <Deft> do you have the sources in place?
[11:45] <Deft> that is, /usr/src/linux-whatever linked to /usr/src/linux
[11:45] <punkass_> yeah i just installed linux-sources-2.6.8 
[11:46] <sivang> mdz : i have upgraded an hour ago, still no go at printing. tried even to remove the printer and recreate it
[11:47] <punkass_> hmmm not sure where the pkg put them
[11:48] <Deft> well, when you find them:
[11:48] <punkass_> oh i see it put them in usr/src but as a bz2
[11:49] <Deft> ok, first unwrap that
[11:49] <Deft> (cd /usr/src/, then tar xjf linux...bz2)
[11:49] <punkass_> yup in the process
[11:50] <punkass_> ok done
[11:50] <An-tonio> hi
[11:51] <Deft> then, probably the best way (I don't know how ubuntu kernel releases will work,) is to:
[11:52] <mdz> sivang: usb printer or parallel?
[11:52] <Deft> cd /lib/modules/`uname -r`
[11:52] <mdz> sivang: please note it in the bug
[11:52] <sivang> mdz : ok :) off to the bugzilla 
[11:52] <Deft> then ln -s /usr/src/linux... build
[11:52] <punkass_> just the linux-XXX folder?
[11:52] <punkass_> er directory
[11:53] <Deft> yes
[11:53] <punkass_> ok
[11:53] <lamont_r> jdub/mdz around?
[11:53] <gpart> are there any screenshots of the ubuntu default screen online?
[11:54] <punkass_> hmm still getting the same error
[11:54] <mdz> lamont_r: yes
[11:54] <rexiboy> need some help configuring x :( "can't find screen"
[11:55] <rexiboy> I thought ubuntu was going to work right away...
[11:55] <punkass_> build -> /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.8.1
[11:55] <lamont_r> 1333 - one line fix.  I think 1341 is about 3 lines...
[11:55] <lamont_r> mdz: whaddya think?
[11:56] <EpheMeroN> hello ppl
[11:56] <lamont_r> 1333 is dead solid (deleted one too many lines from config...)  1341 is bad handling of no-hostname case, which I need to dig into more...
[11:56] <mdz> lamont_r: 1333 approved, 1341 you say it's not reproducible?
[11:57] <rexiboy> i guess no one can help here
[11:57] <lamont_r> well, the only way it would be reproducable is if $myhostname was null at the end of postinst (which is fatal to newaliases, so I didn't run it...)
[11:57] <azeem> gpart: check osnews.com
[11:57] <lamont_r> I need to reproduce that one to be able to close it correctly...
[11:57] <lamont_r> and I think that's as simple as a non-network cold install.
[11:57] <gpart> azeem, thangs
[11:57] <gpart> s/g/k/g
[11:57] <punkass_> rexiboy what is the error?
[11:58] <keifer> hey, anyone on a mac have working sound?
[11:58] <rexiboy> punkass can't load module v41 something can't find screen
[11:58] <lamont_r> rexiboy: file a bug with the output (as root) of ddcprobe and xresprobe <driver> (where driver is the driver for your card)
[11:58] <punkass_> anyone have any luck installing ndiswrapper on ubuntu?
[11:59] <rexiboy> lamont_r, how am i supposed to do that :)
[11:59] <azeem> punkass_: somebody from canonical was working on it AFAIK, dunno if it's getting integrated
[11:59] <mdz> lamont_r: let's revisit 1341 when the bug has been identified
[11:59] <lamont_r> mdz: yeah - working on it now/tonight.
[11:59] <lamont_r> and stalling on 13333
[11:59] <lamont_r> s/3//