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punkass_azeem, i am trying to build it right now but it keeps saying it cant find the kernel sources12:00
punkass_azeem, it told me to link build to /usr/src/linux-x.x.x and i did that..but still the same error12:01
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azeemsorry, I don't ubuntu installed anymore right now12:01
punkass_ok12:01
Deft_upunkass_, what's the exact error?12:02
punkass_Deft_u: one sec12:03
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kevin__Deft_u:(punkass from laptop)make[2] : Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/ndiswrapper/driver'12:04
kevin__You don't seem to have sources for your kernel;  install them in /usr/src, link /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-2-386/build to it and try again.12:04
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paraxhello there!12:04
cybrjackle|lappyhi12:05
keiferyar12:05
paraxthis distro is really great! I've installed on a PC, and all was recognized (the first time, after Knoppix, that a Debian based distro detects all my hardware)12:05
sivangmdz : no admin allowed at the cups web interface?12:05
kevin__make[2] : *** [prereq_check]  Error 112:05
kevin__make[2] : Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/ndiswrapper/driver'12:05
paraxsivang: It seems that root account is deactivated12:06
keiferyou can sudo though12:06
paraxsivang: you can activate it typing "sudo passwd root"12:06
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paraxsivang: and typing the new password for root12:06
sivangparax : i haev already set it up :)12:07
paraxkeifer: yes, you can sudo, but ubuntu development team forgets to change synaptic icon, because it asks for the passwd ;)12:07
keiferah12:08
Deftpunkass, really strange that one, are you sure you have read access to them as whatever user you are compiling as?12:08
seb128mdz: here ?12:08
paraxsivang: hum.. ok, I just read that message :)12:08
lamont_rKamion: you asleep, or still awake?12:09
stevebwhat? no default newsreader?12:09
lamont_rsteveb: good point.. :-(12:10
seb128evolution12:10
kevin__Deft: i am just running: sudo fakeroot debian/rules binary12:10
lamont_rsteveb: the new generation doesn't believe in text-mode anything, it seems...12:10
stevebyeah, kinda in the old PAN habit still12:11
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kevin__Deft: and i dont see any permission errors12:12
paraxall applications that are not part of gnome aren't accesible through icons, like in Debian (Debian menu), are they?12:12
jsubl2steveb pan is available12:13
jsubl2apt-cache search newsreader12:13
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stevebjusbl2: yeah, just gotta install it...no problem12:13
ElyranI use a NNTP as an every day basis for work, and I really like Thundebird and PAN. 12:14
ElyranIn fact i prefer PAN for short thrads and Thunderbird for huge threads ...12:14
Elyranif it helps ...12:14
stevebElyran: I'll take a look at Thunderbird, not familiar with it yet. Thnx12:16
ElyranMy pleasure12:16
lamont_rmdz: found one path through the code that would produce a null myhostname - requires no networking at install time, AFAI can tell.12:16
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punkass_hmm this is frusterating.. :)12:18
Deftkevin__, does normal ./configure && make work?12:19
kevin__from which directory?12:20
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Deftthe module source directory12:21
azeemkevin__: sudo fakeroot is bogus12:21
azeemjust fakeroot should be enough12:21
kevin__oh i am just following some howto on ndiswrapper site12:21
kevin__ok12:21
lamont_rkevin__: that's scary in what it says about clue-factor...12:22
lamont_rthat they put that on their web site, that is...12:22
kevin__well it doesnt say sudo fakeroot12:22
kevin__its just when i run just fakeroot i get permission errors12:22
lamont_rok.  that's better.12:22
azeemkevin__: did you extract the source as root?12:23
sladenkevin__: you probably want   fakeroot  for building stuff and  sudo  for installing it12:23
azeemor used 'sudo debian/rules build'?12:23
kevin__well since there is no "root" i did it as sudo12:23
mdzseb128: here12:23
azeemkevin__: in general, building Debi^Wubuntu stuff never requires real root priviledges12:23
mdzsivang: that is correct12:24
kevin__ah12:24
seb128mdz: just noticed after comments from some french users, but the default browser is english only ? 12:24
mdzseb128: it is unless you install mozilla-firefox-locale-fr, apparently12:24
seb128arg12:24
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mdzit is like openoffice12:25
seb128at least epiphany is localized12:25
kevin__Deft: there is no configure in the module source dir12:25
seb128mdz: yes, but apparently the browser is much more used12:25
seb128and people are annoying to get an english one12:25
mdzseb128: the firefox locales are about 5M installed, total12:25
seb128annoyed12:25
mdzseb128: I think we can probably include them in desktop12:25
seb128would be nice12:25
lamont_rmdz: should12:26
mdzI've added them to supported12:26
mdzwe'll discuss it on the list12:26
seb128thanks12:26
mdzseb128: could you start the discussion?12:26
seb128ok12:26
seb128mdz: on -devel ?12:26
mdzseb128: ubuntu-devel, yes12:26
seb128ok, thanks12:26
Deftkevin__, noticed that now, there is actually a deb target in the makefile though, they seem to be complicating things for some reason12:27
mdzKamion: here?12:27
kevin__Deft: oh..thats what i dont need...things more complicated12:27
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kevin__Deft: would i be better to just get the source?12:29
Deftanyway... I need ndiswrapper so I will try and sort it out, may have to wait until I can download the ubuntu linux source though, as I'd like to try and work out the "proper" way to do it12:29
seb128mdz: BTW, do we have a trace somewhere of why we choose firefox instead of epiphany which is the GNOME browser ?12:29
kevin__ah ok..12:30
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seb128mdz: epiphany guys was wondering the reasons, and to be honest I don't really why :)12:30
mdzseb128: that decision was before sounder existed, right?12:30
mdzso it must have been on the internal list12:30
mdzor was it in Oxford?12:30
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seb128not sure ...12:31
seb128we were thinking to both options for a while IIRC12:31
Deftepiphany does have one big mozilla shape problem of course12:31
seb128I don't remember when it has been decided12:31
lamont_rgone for about 45-60 min12:31
azeempersonally, I think using firefox spoils the whole UI integration. I never used it before yesterday and I thought it looked more GNOMEish12:31
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xLobeznoxhi12:31
jdandr2I thought there was a "restricted" repository for things like DVD/flash ...  or should I setup "debian-millart" or something like that...?12:32
xLobeznoxI'm not using ubuntu, but I would like to know how to add the trash panel to de gnome-panel, I obtain this error after I compiled:12:32
xLobeznoxUnable to acquire monitor of the Trash directory12:32
xLobeznoxand I cant use it12:32
seb128you already asked on irc.gnome.org12:33
seb128you will not get more reply here12:33
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toothpickIs there a tutorial for nvidia or should I just use debians docs?12:35
kevin__toothpick: install nvidia-glx add nvidia to /etc/modules and change nv to nvidia in XF86config-412:36
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toothpickkevin__: that is what I didn't do...add nvidia to /etc/modules12:36
toothpickis that /etc/modules just a text file that I append nvidia too? as in insmod nvidia?12:37
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kevin__its just txt file12:37
kevin__and all u add is   nvidia at the bottom12:37
toothpickthanks12:37
kevin__np12:37
toothpickhow do I change to have windows be the default boot up with grub?12:38
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azeemtoothpick: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst12:38
toothpickazeem ok....when I ran another linux distro with grub it kept whatever you chose last as what it would do next...that was nice.12:39
toothpickTrying to remember the distro...will come to me in a moment...12:39
azeemdunno about that12:39
Deftisn't the boot prefs app installed from gnome-system-tools?12:39
sivangmdz : bug opened12:40
mdzsivang: bug commented12:40
mdztoothpick: to do that, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and change "default 0" to "default saved"12:40
sivangmdz : gush you're quick :)12:41
toothpickthanks!12:41
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toothpickI'm burning ubuntu now (for the second time) left the other cd at work...and will install that here.12:42
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[Scizo] looks good12:42
kevin__just installed ubuntu on the bosses laptop...thats why i need the wireless to work :)12:42
[Scizo] ubuntu that is12:42
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Qerubtoothpick: savedefault is your friend12:47
Qerubtoothpick: oh, sorry. too late.12:47
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toothpicknp12:49
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sivangmdz : commented back12:51
jdandr2anyone get a "dvdnav_get_next_block" when trying to play a dvd?12:52
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kevin__so any others wanna try and help me get this ndiswrapper working? :)01:02
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Qerubkevin__: google for ndiswrapper-source and build the module package against the kernel you're using01:05
kevin__yeah thats what i am trying to to01:05
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kevin__to do*01:05
kevin__source is already there, and created the link like it asked01:06
kevin__"You don't seem to have sources for your kernel;  install them in /usr/src, link /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-2-386/build to it and try again."01:06
Qerubi'm not thinking of the source available on ndiswrapper's homepage01:06
kevin__?01:06
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Qerubhttp://rigtorp.se/debian/unstable/ndiswrapper-source_0.10-1_all.deb01:07
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toloHi to all/Hola a todos01:07
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lamontmoof01:08
trukulohola tolo01:08
Elyranjdtry libdvdread also01:08
elmayaok where are the sources of the kernel?01:08
kevin__ndiswrapper-source_0.10-1_i386.deb this is the one i originally used...what is the difference?01:08
trukulojdandr2, try totem01:08
trukuloor xine01:08
Elyranjdandr2, and make sure /dev/dvd symink is good ans coorect chmod01:08
jdandr2trukulo, got totem and libddvdread (both came with ubuntu default install)01:08
jdandr2I hear the disk spink up when I click play DVD in totem01:09
trukuloyou need css support from marillat repositories01:09
Elyranjdandr2, then jsut launch xine dvd://01:09
widoi've just seen the ubuntu kde packages. but they're kde3.2. anyone knows if and when 3.3 packages will be available?01:09
jdandr2trukulo, can you tell me a source.list line for marillat?01:09
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trukulojdandr2, wait a minute01:09
toloOne hour running Ubuntu01:09
toloI am a happy man01:10
trukulowido, kde won't be supported in first version01:10
Adonijah-tolo, i agree, although i think it's mostly gnome 2.8 that makes me so happy ;)01:10
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trukulodeb http://debian.xmixahlx.com/packages/unstable/ ./01:10
toloI was running Guadalinex for amonth and I was quiet happy01:10
Livewire-is the Ubuntu distro shipping on the 30th sept?01:10
trukulotru this01:10
tolobut packages were foe sid01:11
elmayawhere do i get the source of the kernel?01:11
Adonijah-elmaya, apt-get install kernel-source ?01:11
trukulotolo, i don't like guadalinex way of development01:11
elmayaok01:11
Adonijah-elmaya, err..hold on01:11
trukulothere's no real roadmap01:11
thomlinux-source-2.6.8.101:11
toloWhat I like of guadalinex is that after trying other distros I do love debian and apt get01:11
Adonijah-elmaya, yeah that ;)01:11
elmaya:)01:11
toloso Guadalinex had a good repository01:12
Adonijah-elmaya, sudo apt-get install linux-source01:12
trukulotolo, but that's inherent of debian, not guadalinex01:12
trukulotolo, guadalinex has a big problem with security updates in future01:12
toloI kniow, but guadalinex was my 1st Debian01:12
tolodid not know01:12
ryanohornwhere is gcc installed in ubuntu01:12
trukuloat least, that's what i can see in development lists01:12
Adonijah-ryanohorn, it's not installed by default afaik01:12
toloAlso I got a copy of Linex 200401:12
elmaya:) getting01:13
tolobut I will keep with Ubuntu01:13
trukulotolo, it's the same, it's componentized linux from progeny01:13
Adonijah-ryanohorn, when it did install, it installed as /usr/bin/gcc-3.401:13
Livewire-is the Ubuntu distro shipping on the 30th sept?01:13
Adonijah-Livewire-, faq question01:13
toloDo some of you use Azureus? Can someone help me installing JRE?01:13
Adonijah-tolo, oi01:14
ggitolo: There's a good Java-on-Debian guide here, if that helps: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian01:15
tolothe prob comes that in the repository of Ubuntu theer is n JRE01:15
tolothx ggi01:15
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trukulotolo: nor even in debian01:15
jdandr2thanks trukulo .. xine seems to work except no sound...  01:16
Deftthere's free java in debian, but that's not up to a lot01:16
toloI thought, maybe I am mistake that I used Synatyc01:16
trukulojdandr2, look mixer, perhaps it's mute01:16
trukulotolo, there's no synaptic related, it's not in repositories, as i know01:16
jdandr2trukulo, it just is via PCM not anything special right?01:17
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Adonijah-ryanohorn, it looks like if you do sudo apt-get install gcc, gcc-3.3.4 gets installed as /usr/bin/gcc01:17
tologgi, thx it looks great01:17
trukulojdandr2, yes, but many times, with alsa, volume it's muted01:17
trukulocheck it01:17
ggitolo: It definetly works with Debian, though I haven't tried it with Ubuntu yet. I'm doing so.01:18
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tologgi I want JRE for azureus, anyway from Sinaptyc I installed the bittorrent app, it's great but the gui does not work and I must use btdownloadcurses, whichI don't understand as easy as a gui01:19
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psihas anyone tried to change the default media player from totem to e.g. mplayer? i can add new applications but it just wont let me select another default01:19
azeemtolo: perhaps bittornado is available?01:19
trukulotolo: btdownloadgui doesn't work?01:20
tolothx azeem, trukulo I have a problem with a Python Lybrary01:20
trukulopsi: that's mime related01:20
trukulotolo, what library?01:20
azeemtolo: bittornado is python as well, AFAIK01:20
thomyeah, it is01:21
trukulowhat's te problem?01:21
ggitolo: The required library isn't a dependency, it's a in suggests or recommends, I forget.01:21
toloI will check and tel you01:21
tolojust a sec01:21
trukulook01:21
ggitolo: I thought as much. Apt-get install this: libwxgtk2.4-python01:21
tolothat one ggi01:22
psitrukulo: do you know why i can't change it?01:22
trukulopsi, no, i'm not in ubuntu now, i'm in sarge01:22
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trukuloso i can't look at it01:22
psiokay01:23
psiit seems totem is greedy - i've changed some other applications without problems01:23
tologgi01:23
trukulodo you have mplayer installed?01:23
trukulosilly question :P01:23
tolosorry ggi from my command line I try apt-get?01:24
trukulotolo: try this01:24
psiyeah :)01:24
trukulosudo apt-get install libwxgtk2.4-python01:24
toloOh god sorry sudo, I forget01:24
psitrukulo: i can right-click and choose open with mplayer01:24
ggitolo: Yeah. What trukulo said.01:24
trukulopsi, and does it work?01:24
psiyes01:24
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trukulopsi, so it can be a bug, don't know01:25
tolopu,pu,pu.. no, sorry, apt-get can not find it, will try with 2.301:25
crimsunjre 1.50rc works fine with mozilla-firefox in Ubuntu01:25
toloI think the problem is in my repository01:26
ggitolo: It's in universe.01:26
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trukulotolo: edit your sources01:27
toloso automatically must work with a command of apt-get?01:27
tolothx trukulo01:27
trukuloif you hace universe reposity enabled, it has01:27
trukulos/hace/have01:27
Adonijah-crimsun, unless you're running amd64 probably ;)01:27
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crimsunAdonijah-: i'm not leet enough for that01:28
tolotrukulo/ggi If I enable Universe, is better that I uncheck the other sources?01:28
trukulocrimsun, you don't need to be leet to have an amd64, you need money01:28
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ggitolo: Yeah. Comment them out.01:29
trukulotolo, only enable the repositories you need01:29
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trukulobut that's more a way of thinking than a suggest01:29
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tologgi/trukulo thx now downloading01:31
trukulowell, time to sleep01:31
trukulotolo, you're wellcome01:31
tolobye trukulo/buenas noches01:31
trukulosee you tomorrow... perhaps01:31
trukulotolo, y cuida la flauta01:32
tolo:D01:32
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tologgi yeah it works01:34
tolo:hugs with humanity ggi01:34
ggitolo: Grand. I'll tell you if I get Java working with that guide. It's going well.01:36
elmayaagg01:38
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elmayaok im trying to install ndiswrapper01:38
toothpickGreets...enjoying ubuntu now at home.01:38
elmayai get this message make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-2-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.01:39
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elmaya?01:41
mdzelmaya: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`01:43
elmayaoh01:43
Adonijah-i think these things should be in a FAQ or the wiki ;)01:44
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Adonijah-elmaya, yeah, that fixes it01:44
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elmayawhat's the uname-r do01:45
Adonijah-returns the kernel version I think01:45
Adonijah-since there are multiple kernel header packages01:46
Adonijah-it makes sure the right one gets installed01:46
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tolowell good night from Spain, see you all tomorrow01:48
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ggitolo: The Java-on-Debian guide I linked to is valid for Ubuntu, should you want to use Azureus at some point.01:49
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robertjfinally downloading the iso01:50
subterrificme too01:50
subterrificit rocks01:50
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tolothx ggi bye, I can say this been a very helpful community01:50
robertjI've only been using Debian since 2.0, so I hope you guys are standing buy to help out!01:50
tolobye01:50
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elmayafuck01:51
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elmayathanks mdz Adonijah- got it now :)01:53
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Knio2Hi02:07
kevin__ahhh...i cant get ndiswrapper to install02:10
kevin__goin crazy02:11
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phlaegelso... anybody tried changing keyboard shortcuts? mod4 (aka super/windows key) doesn't work as a modifier for me. anybody else?02:17
Chriffercheck out the keyboard config applet thing02:19
phlaegelthat's what I'm talking about.02:19
ChrifferI had to mess with it to get my right alt working with a dvorak map02:19
Chrifferthere are some options on the third tab02:19
phlaegelI select a function to map, hit mod4, and it assigns it without another key.02:19
Chrifferthis isnt in the shortcuts this is in the keyboard setup02:20
phlaegelyeah, just realized that's what you meant... looking now02:21
phlaegelonly thing I see there is that by default super is mapped to the win keys, which is what I expected. the problem is the shortcut applet doesn't recognize it as a modifier.02:22
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giardso, great job02:23
ChrifferIt may not be meant as a modifier02:23
giardubuntu rocks02:23
phlaegelit'd be the first time I've seen that. I've been using it as a modifier for months in fvwm and gnome 2.6.02:26
widoi'm new to ubuntu/debian. which package do i have to install in order to be able to compile my own packages? when i run configure it fails because it can't find a c-compiler. however a gcc-3.4 binary exists02:27
cleetry apt-get install build-essential02:29
cleethat was the name, I think02:29
widoah, thanks. i'll try that 02:30
giardis there any trick to getting video working?02:31
giardmy video plays, I can hear the audio, but I can't see anything02:31
widoclee: thanks again. it worked :)02:31
cleewido: np02:31
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m_tthewgiard: totem-xine in universe has more codecs than gstreamer (installed by default)02:32
giardm_tthew: thanks02:32
giardm_tthew: I just got "totem-xine is not available"02:33
Kamionpunkass: file a bug in bugzilla, please - bug reports on IRC get lost really easily, and a permanent record makes it much more likely we won't forget02:34
Kamionlamont: ?02:34
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giardm_tthew: is that part of another sourcE?02:36
mdzm_tthew: yes, it's in universe02:38
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diemanho hum02:41
diemani got a jaywalking ticket today02:41
dieman:|02:41
tsenga what?02:41
zackwow. that happens?02:41
diemanzack: yeahnoshit.02:41
diemantseng: walking when the 'dont walk' sign is up02:41
tsenghahaha02:42
tsengmake half the people downtown here would be in jail02:42
diemanactually, it was the don't walk picture, which if your pedantic enough is not a legal dont walk sign, but hey.02:42
tsengfor repeat offenses02:42
diemanheh02:42
diemani think its like a $100 ticket02:42
diemantoo02:42
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Knio2Would you guys be willing to help a newbie (me) install ubuntu in about 3 hours ?02:43
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tsengKnio2: its freaking easy02:43
unshavenyakI must say, this distro is quite awesome02:43
diemanKnio2: there is usually someone around02:43
tsengyou put in the cd and blam02:43
diemanKnio2: i'll be around, most likely -- but yeah, its pretty easy02:44
tsengso if you get stuck ask.02:44
Knio2i've had problems with other "easy" distros :(02:44
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phlaegelever installed windows? ubuntu is much easier.02:44
diemanKnio2: this one doesn't have 50-thousand-questions.02:44
zackubuntu doesn't work on my SATA system... which kinda lame as debian does :\02:44
HrdwrBoBzack: define doesn't work?02:44
Kamionzack: please send us lspci and lspci -n info for that, it's usually trivial to make work02:44
Knio2i'm acctualy in the middle of 5 hours of installing windows right now... it decided it didn't like to boot any more *GRRR*02:44
zackHrdwrBoB: it doesn't give me any actual options to partition.02:44
unshavenyakyeah there's like a grand total of two questions asked during install if you don't use the expert mode at the prompt02:44
Kamionzack: if this is a sata_nv chipset, I just uploaded support for that today02:45
unshavenyakpartition question and network..done02:45
diemanKamion: is discover1-data sync'ed with sid?02:45
diemanKamion: in ubuntu?02:45
zackKamion: nope, it's an i91502:45
Kamion(but Debian doesn't support that yet, so I guess it can't be that)02:45
Kamiondieman: not quite, it's fairly close but I do have some work to do there02:45
diemanKamion: ok02:45
diemanKamion: i just resynced my local copy at work for my woody boxes02:45
diemanlike last week02:45
zacki looks like someone modified ubuntu's d-i in a way that broke it for this particular system02:45
diemanits getting to be fairly complete02:45
mdzzack: more likely it was fixed in debian and hasn't yet been fixed in ubuntu02:46
diemanzack: most likely the udeb for discover-data just doesn't have the i915 stuff in it02:46
zackmdz: it works in d-i RC1, i hope you're not that far behind ;)02:46
Kamionyes, if "someone" had modified ubuntu's d-i it would have been me and I'd know about it :)02:46
Kamionzack: we froze warty before d-i RC102:46
zackaha!02:46
zack:)02:47
Kamionwe've picked up most of the relevant fixes, but not necessarily everything02:47
KamionI steered clear of new partman, for example02:47
zackok02:47
zacki wonder if i can shell into that box now... 02:47
Kamionbecause I don't trust it (I've had to do a number of scary and not-very-intuitive fixes in d-i upstream to cope with it), Joey Hess isn't entirely convinced by it, and well, that's enough really02:48
Knio2does ubuntu use kernel 2.6 ?02:48
KamionKnio2: yes02:48
zackdamn, i left sshd down :(02:48
cleegood job, zack 02:49
cleezack: so how are you digging ubuntu?02:49
zackKamion: i hope your and debian's d-i can be parallel branches02:49
zackclee: uh, not very much seeing as it won't install02:49
zack:P02:49
cleeha, weak02:49
zackyeah, but this is treefrog and treefrog is special02:50
zackall my workstations are special, come to think of it02:50
JanneMdumb question: d-i is what exactly? debian-something?02:50
zackJanneM: -installer02:50
JanneMah02:50
JanneMok02:50
cleezack: heh.02:50
unshavenyakhrmm odd, bittorrent won't work even with port forwarding setup on my router02:51
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Knio2ok, first question: I booted to the language selection screen... and nothing heppens when I hit enter/up/dn. caps lock and num lock don't light up, indicating that my keyboard isn't recognized ? same thing heppened last time I booted to a 2.6 kernel, I couldn't type.02:53
lamontKamion: can't remember what I was going to ask you.02:53
Kamionlamont: fair enough :)02:54
Kamionzack: I'm a debian-installer developer as well as an Ubuntu developer; I have a very strong personal interest in keeping the two as closely synced as I can, to reduce my own confusion levels if nothing else.02:54
KamionKnio2: what kind of keyboard?02:55
Knio2Kamion: just a cheap PS/2 keyboard02:55
lamontKamion: can you think of any case where base-config would finish with a null hostname? (or empty /etc/hostname, /etc/resolv.conf?)02:56
zackKamion: great =D02:57
KamionKnio2: hm, not USB or anything then, very odd02:57
Kamionlamont: I really don't know netcfg well enough to be sure of that02:57
Kamion(not my strongest area of the installer ...)02:58
zackhmm, it'll be great when debian has an installer that can ask all its questions first :)02:58
Kamionnetcfg is basically a massive state machine of state machines02:58
lamontnp.02:58
Kamionzack: that's not really possible, by definition many of the questions rely on hardware detection that takes place after udeb retrieval which depends on earlier questions02:59
tsenghey could someone add |*rxvt* to the prompt command setup in .bashrc02:59
Kamion(not in the current design, that is, which is a pretty good design for non-weird criteria :-))02:59
Kamionthere is pretty complete preseeding support in very current d-i builds in Debian, though02:59
Kamionyou can do kickstart-style zero-question installs, as I understand it03:00
Kamionsomewhat machine-dependent by nature of course03:00
mdztseng: I don't see why not; please file a bug03:00
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tsengmdz: sure03:01
tsengmdz: who to assign to?03:01
mdztseng: I'll take care of that03:01
tsengrgr03:01
tseng#137703:03
Deft_uis there going to be an "official" way of adding a mount point, for a usb drive or similar?03:03
azeemDeft_u: mount points should not be exposed to users03:04
azeemDeft_u: but perhaps if you specify it in /etc/fstab, project utopia will leave it alone03:04
Deft_ubut I need a mount point to be created so I can actually mount my drive, has utopia started doing this itself without me noticing?03:05
azeemsure03:06
azeemat least, that's the theory =)03:06
azeempmount is responsible for that in ubuntu, I think03:06
Kamion'pmount /dev/<whatever>'03:06
Kamionthen you magically get /media/<whatever>03:06
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Deft_uwell, that doesn't happen out of the box anyway...03:07
mdzin fact it does03:07
mdzif you are logged into the desktop03:07
azeemDeft_u: then perhaps hal is not running03:07
azeemhald, that is03:07
azeemDeft_u: try opening the 'Removal Storage' capplet03:08
Deft_uare mount points going to be dynamic then? or always created the same for any particular device?03:08
mdzcurrently, the mount point is named after the device path03:08
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elmayais alsa loading on boot? cuz mi sound card is not being detected03:09
Deft_uhald is running, device manager shows my usb volume, /dev/sdxx has been created, but no newuser-visible device...03:09
Deft_uand double check... no new mount03:09
Knio2no ideas on the keyboard ?03:10
azeemKnio2: do you use a USB to PS/2 converter perhaps?03:10
mdzelmaya: it should be automatically loaded by hotplug. what kind of sound card?03:10
Knio2nope03:10
azeemsorry, no03:10
elmayaits a intel ac'97 laptop03:11
Knio2just ps2... I hit enter at the bootloader and it works, as soon as the kernel loads it doesn't03:11
mdzelmaya: lsmod | grep snd shows no sound drivers loaded?03:12
elmayalets see03:13
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elmayawell actually it shows03:13
elmayasnd_ac97_codec         59268  2 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x003:14
mdzok, looks like it's detected correctly the03:14
mdzthen03:14
mdzperhaps it's just muted?03:14
Deft_uazeem, could you tell me the sequence that's supposed to happen when I plug in a new usb storage thing, or maybe more useful, this was happens when I try:03:14
mdzelmaya: another possibility is that your system has a second sound device, and the wrong one is found first03:14
elmayamaybe03:15
Deft_uazeem, running g-v-m in a terminal, it tells me that it can't mount (bas superblock or too many mount fs), but it doesn't create any new mount point that I can see03:15
mdz(#1293)03:15
subterrificwhy do i get these messages during boot?03:15
subterrificVFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev hda3.03:15
subterrificVFS: Can't find ext2 filesystem on dev hda3.03:15
Deft_uazeem, mount (as root) straight to /mnt, works fine, and then surprisingly opens up in nautilus03:16
Kamionsubterrific: that's probably just the kernel wandering through all the filesystems it knows about 'cos it hasn't been explicitly told what that filesystem is03:16
subterrificKamion: fstab has it listed though03:17
azeemDeft_u: sorry, I can't help you further. I don't really know what Canonical did with the project utopia stack03:18
jdubhi all03:18
elmayamdz, when i open totem says: Device /dev/dsp does not exist03:18
jdubmdz: here03:18
jdubmako: i replied to that dude and said, please do03:18
Deft_uazeem, ok, thanks for the clue anyway, I'll ask someone tomorrow03:18
jdubmako: i thought you wre cc'ed03:18
tsenghmm, i have a bit odd question03:19
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tsengin gentoo one of the xsession scripts (not sure where) ran bits from bash_profile03:20
tsengso i could run keychain there, and source the pointer to the ssh-agent for the entire X environment03:20
tsengim not sure how to duplicate this in ubuntu..03:20
mdzjdub: hi, if I rang you I don't remember what it was about :-)03:21
tsengsorry i cant be more specific.03:21
mdzelmaya: aha03:21
mdzelmaya: so snd-pcm-oss isn't getting loaded03:21
Kamiondidn't we fix that in alsa-base?03:21
mdzyes, some time ago03:21
mdzI have only seen one other circumstance which causes it to fail03:21
mdzand that was that a 0-byte /etc/modprobe.conf was created by some tool, possibly alsaconf03:22
jeedeeAnyone has a clue why grub freeze at "Loading grub..." once Im done with the first installation stage? Thank you03:22
mdzapparently, if /etc/modprobe.conf exists, modprobe ignores /etc/modprobe.d03:22
mdzwhich is where the snd-pcm-oss trigger is03:22
mdzelmaya: a long shot, but could you check for /etc/modprobe.conf?03:22
mdzjeedee: are you using xfs?03:22
jeedeeNope03:22
elmayalets see03:22
mdztseng: Computer->Desktop Preferences->Sessions->Startup Programs03:23
tsengmdz: i can make it run keychain there03:23
jeedeeExt3... everything standard... my first stage complete, I get "Loading stage ..." then "Grub Loading..." and it stay there03:23
tseng( i did that )03:23
elmayamdz, i don't have modprobe.conf03:23
tsengbut can it source the file?03:23
tsengill try it for kicks.03:23
mdzelmaya: ok, good03:24
jeedeeIf at least it outputted an error03:24
mdzelmaya: and you installed from the preview CD?03:24
elmayayup03:24
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mdzelmaya: try this:03:24
mdzelmaya: log out of gnome, and on the text console, modprobe -r snd-intel8x0 snd-intel8x0m snd-pcm03:25
mdzelmaya: then modprobe -v snd-intel8x0m03:25
jeedeeI tried installing on the same HD as Windows and another primary slave Hd and grub still freeze.. I might have to check SATA settings even if my disks are ide03:25
tsengmdz: yes.. i cant source the resulting file into the environment from there it seems03:25
elmayamdz,  ok lemmie check03:26
mdzjeedee: when it's hung, switch to console #2 (ctrl-alt-f2) and run ps to see what's hanging03:26
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srbakerso what does ubuntu give me that debian doesn't?03:27
srbakeri have a machine here that i'm thinking i'll put ubuntu on03:27
elmayabrb03:27
jeedeeoh, I did not know you could do that while in grub :) Thank you I'll try that..some peoples on forums seems to talk about the boot part in the first 8gb of the disk03:27
jdubKamion: lots of nice installer/hardware fixes i see :-) rocking!03:28
giardwow, is almost everything compiled as a module by default in ubuntu?03:28
mdzsrbaker: gnome 2.8, 6-month release cycle, simplified install, Just Works(tm) technology03:28
Kamionjdub: polishing phase :)03:28
azeem...and a nice trash applet03:28
mdzthat too03:28
jdubmdz: wow, you stripped that down well ;)03:28
jdubAND LOVE03:28
Kamiongiard: yeah; mind you that's the case in modern Debian too03:29
jdubUBUNTU BRINGS YOU LOVE03:29
Kamiongiard: although we've added some more03:29
mdzyou love ubuntu and ubuntu loves you03:29
giardhehe03:29
giardthat's cool03:29
giardI wonder if this adm8211 (SMC Wireless PCMCIA card) will make it in03:29
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giardhaving to compile it by hand is kinda a pain03:29
Kamiongiard: is it in the mainstream kernel, or a third-party thing?03:30
giardKamion: I think it's a third party at the moment03:30
Deft_ujdub, would you be a good person to ask about utopia and usb drives?03:30
Kamiongiard: and is it one of the ones with binary-only firmware?03:30
Kamionwow, OOo starts up pretty speedily on amd6403:30
giardKamion: I think it's source, but I didn't look that closely:  http://aluminum.sourmilk.net/adm8211/03:30
subterrificjust wait till its a native 64bit binary03:30
jdubDeft_u: hopefully :) what's the prob?03:30
Kamionof course the 2GB of RAM might help there03:31
tsengnevermind me, i wrote a bit of bash hackery to solve the problem.03:31
giardI just thought that if laptops were one of the big goals, the more wireless drivers the better03:31
zackwhere are ubuntu's source packages?03:31
subterrificKamion: OOo 2 buuilds natively for amd6403:31
subterrificits really fast03:31
Kamionsubterrific: yeah, I know03:31
HrdwrBoBno sugar :/  I was forced to use kahlua in my coffee03:31
Deft_uI can't find a way to make my usb pen mount automatically without it being in fstab03:31
srbakermdz: i run sid, tho.03:31
srbakermdz, so all of the ubuntu patches will be merged with sid, right?03:31
justdavewhat component should a boot failure go under in Bugzilla?03:31
jdubDeft_u: that is totally non-utopic03:32
Kamionsubterrific: we were talking about it for warty, but it obviously wasn't going to be there in time, so we did the ia32-libs hack03:32
srbakermdz, but ubuntu will be good for my non-development workstations, right?03:32
jdubDeft_u: can you plug it in while hal-device-manager is running?03:32
mdzsrbaker: we have little or no control over that; so far, some have been merged, and some have not03:32
Kamionjustdave: depends what fails03:32
justdaveI get the kernel banner and a couple more lines, then it hangs03:32
Deft_ujdub, glad you agree, it all shows up in device manager fine03:32
srbakermdz, oh.  hrm.  i'll probably put ubuntu on my other box03:32
mdzsrbaker: and there is no patch for 6-monthly releases03:32
srbakermdz, heh.  yeah, that sucks.03:32
Deft_ujdub, if I run g-v-m in a terminal, it tells me it won't mount, the normal bad type, superblock or whatever message03:33
jdubDeft_u: ok, do you have another usb-storage dvice?03:33
jduboh03:33
srbakermdz, there is a patch for 6-monthly releases.  it's called "34 paid employees" :)03:33
jdubsrbaker: and an iron will. ;)03:33
srbakerjdub, heh.03:34
srbakerjdub, i'm very interested what ubuntu is doing.03:34
subterrificKamion: good trade off03:34
Kamionsubterrific: the other option was to leave it out, which wasn't really an option :)03:35
Deft_ujdub, good suggestion, my iRiver worked fine (other than calling the window being called sda1 rather than anything sensicle)03:35
Kamionsubterrific: (for one, though it was hackable for CDs, it broke netboot installs for various reasons ...)03:35
jdubDeft_u: yeah ;)03:35
giardcompiling all these modules reminds me of freebsd03:36
jdubDeft_u: okay, can you compare the lists of properties in the 'advanced' tab of hal-d-m?03:36
Deft_ujdub, ok, but my pen will mount fine manually, so...03:36
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lamont1) install, 2) try to install something not in main/restricted, 3) do lots of work, send mail, 4) discover universe...03:39
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RobarI have a question about root access, anyone around?03:41
matthewjsRobar, whats up03:42
Deft_ujdub, damn, it won't see any usb drive now... and sidenote, you can't kill a system process without a the root password, so that dialog is pretty useless in system monotor03:42
pantz_i have a SD card from my camera that i want to mount at /media/camera instead of /media/sdc103:43
HrdwrBoBRobar: use sudo :)03:43
HrdwrBoBsudo command03:43
RobarJust wondering... I noticed I never setup a root password during the install. I know I can do 'sudo passwd root' to set one, but is this okay to do? Or is there a reason that the Ubuntu devs decided to leave that out?03:43
HrdwrBoBand put in your password03:43
pantz_i tried a line in /etc/fstab but it stopped it from automounting - any ideas?03:43
HrdwrBoBRobar: sudo is much better to use than just root03:43
matthewjsnot really03:43
HrdwrBoBit's a deliberate thing03:43
RobarI don't really understand the distinction...03:43
matthewjssudo is stupid i think03:43
mdzRobar: that's perfectly fine to do if you want03:43
matthewjsthere is no diff03:43
HrdwrBoBthere is quite a lot of difference, it's a lot harder to do silly things with sudo03:44
RobarOh, okay... Thanks everyone.03:44
HrdwrBoBbecause you have to explicitly use root03:44
pantz_sudo schmudo - any ideas on my mount problem :)03:44
skxln -s /media/camera /media/sda1 ?03:45
Kamionmatthewjs: sudo gives you an audit trail03:45
pantz_skx, mmm not bad03:45
Kamion(unless you do sudo -s or sudo bash or whatever)03:45
pantz_but then i will still have sdc1 show up in my /media dir03:45
jdubDeft_u: can you file a bug about that dialogue?03:45
HrdwrBoBpantz_: submit a bug report :)03:46
skxpatnz_: Sure, but do you really go looking in there unless you're looking for camera stuff?03:46
RobarAlso, I have an NTFS volume at /dev/hdb1. I can mount it and read from it as root, but I can't seem to read it or mount it as a normal user, no matter what I do. How can I allow a normal user to read the mounted NTFS volume?03:46
azeempantz_: why do you want to mount it somewhere else?03:46
Kamionalso, one of the main practical reasons was that it was a way we thought we could encourage good practice while simultaneously getting rid of some rather confusing questions in the default install path03:46
Deft_ujdub, will do, have to wait till tomorrow now, I'm tired and usb is annoying me03:46
HrdwrBoBbetter to have it interrogate the usb name03:46
pantz_HrdwrBoB, but i don't think its a bug03:46
Deft_ulater03:46
jdubDeft_u: thjanks03:46
azeempantz_: in general, we shouldn't worry about where stuff is mounted, it should just work03:46
pantz_azeem, coz i don't like the raw name sdc103:46
azeemah, pmount suckage :)03:46
pantz_i dont mount my movie partition as hdc3 - i mount it as /media/movies03:47
azeemwell, fstab-sync isn't much better - "disk-3-5-"03:47
pantz_it would be nice to choose the name for my camera disk03:47
Kamionyou can say 'pmount /dev/hdc3 movies' if you want03:47
Kamiondunno if that's configurable in gnome-volume-manager03:47
azeemKamion: nope03:47
jdubnot yet03:47
jdubwe'll have to make it so you can rename devices nicely and stuff03:47
pantz_where is the automount feature getting the path /media/sdc1 from?03:47
jdubhoary ;)03:48
Kamionpantz_: the device name03:48
pantz_i will just change it to /media/sdc103:48
Kamions#^/dev/#/media/#03:48
pantz_Kamion, so i cant change it then?03:48
Kamionpantz_: by running pmount yourself, yes, otherwise I think currently no03:48
azeem03:46 < Kamion> you can say 'pmount /dev/hdc3 movies' if you want03:48
Kamionhmm, possibly you can, by configuring udev to have the device show up as /dev/movies03:49
Kamiondunno how feasible/good-idea that is03:49
pantz_lol - ok now things are confused - i just used the movies mount as an example b403:49
matthewjshow do you search for packages with apt-get? like apt-get search mplayer or whatever03:50
Kamionsure, but you get the idea03:50
Kamionmatthewjs: apt-cache search03:50
pantz_i want to mount my SD card (/dev/sdc1) as /media/camera03:50
justdaveor use Synaptic and hit the Find button in the tool bar03:50
Kamionpantz_: ok, so perhaps (warning: offhand idea at 3am) you can make udev cause the SD card to show up as /dev/camera rather than /dev/sdc103:50
pantz_Kamion, checking udev config now -thanks03:50
matthewjsKamion: im a gentoo user, is there a command that does pretend, like emerge -p gnome in gentoo?03:50
Kamionpretend?03:51
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skxapt-get -s install foo03:51
skxwill show you the actions, but not carry them out - is that what you mean?03:51
pojo_hi there.03:51
matthewjsskx: thank03:51
matthewjsyes03:51
matthewjsso i can see what deps it will install03:51
skxmatthewjs: exactly.  man apt-get is your friend ;)03:52
matthewjsok one last question :), how do i add universe to my apt-get list?03:52
Kamionthere's an APT HOWTO on the Debian web site, which is good bedtime reading03:52
AndyFitzapt-get install unrar isnt my friend atm03:52
HrdwrBoBmatthewjs: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.lit03:52
Kamionmatthewjs: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the obvious lines; or Preferences->Repositories in synaptic03:52
jdubmatthewjs: edit /etc/apt/sources.list03:52
AndyFitzseems its not in the repository 03:52
matthewjsya i saw, uncomment both or jsut the 103:53
matthewjsthere was 2 lines in there03:53
Kamionmatthewjs: one's deb, the other deb-src; i.e. binary packages versus source packages03:53
matthewjskk03:53
Kamionif you want apt-get source to work, uncomment both03:53
pojo_so, has anyone tried to switch the runlevel? I've found unexpected behavior.03:53
tritiumAre installation reports wanted?  (My PowerPC install on a G4 went perfectly...)03:53
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Kamiontritium: might as well; with time we might be able to mine them for a hardware support database or something ...03:54
Kamionpojo_: can't imagine anything being particularly unusual there, 2/3/4/5 should be the same ...03:55
tritiumKamion, okay...03:55
pojo_Kamion: I'm using telinit 3 (I want to kill the Xserver so I can install the nvidia driver)03:55
pojo_Kamion: however, the x server continues running, and the runlevel doesn't really change.03:55
HrdwrBoBpojo_: I would have /etc/init.d/gdm stop03:55
tritiumKamion, just use the d-i template?03:56
Kamionpojo_: that sounds like you have expectations that come from Red Hat-derived distributions03:56
Kamiontritium: it'll do as well as any, but make sure to send to ubuntu-users rather than debian-boot03:56
Kamion:-)03:56
pojo_Kamion: ahh. Well, this may be the case. :)03:56
tritiumlol, of course03:56
Kamionpojo_: the idea that 3 is the non-X default runlevel while 5 is the X default runlevel is a RHism03:57
matthewjshrmm apt-cache search mplayer worked but mplayer was not found, is there not a package for it?03:57
jdubKamion: debian boot is getting ubuntu install reports?03:57
Kamionjdub: not that I've seen yet03:57
jdubmatthewjs: no, there's no mplayer package03:57
Kamionjdub: it did occur to me that I needed to clobber bugreporter-udeb or whatever it was to make sure that doesn't happen03:57
matthewjsjdub: even in universe?03:57
HrdwrBoBmplayer is of questionable legality03:57
jdubmatthewjs: i'd recommend installing totem-xine for more video support love03:57
matthewjsjdub: did that03:58
jdubmatthewjs: not even in universe, no :)03:58
HrdwrBoByou can acquire it form other sources if you need it03:58
matthewjsjdub: having problems playing some wmv files03:58
jdubmatthewjs: marillat's repo has some mplayer packages that will work, i hear03:58
tsengjdub: are you guys planning a smaller server install at any point?03:58
Kamionjdub: what's a good standard address for Ubuntu installation reports that will be good for the lifetime of warty?03:58
Kamiontseng: tried booting with 'custom'?03:58
giardmatthewjs: have you installed the win32codecs?03:58
tsengKamion: ah, no03:59
matthewjsgiard: no03:59
pantz_Kamion, got it - if you're interested - i changed /etc/udev/udev.rules and added camera in there :)03:59
pantz_thanks03:59
Kamiontseng: installs the base system only, intended for clueful people to customize03:59
tsengah neat03:59
tsengwhat i was looking for :)03:59
Kamionpantz_: right, no idea what the ramifications are but if it works for you then cool :)03:59
giardmathewjs: I don't know if xine use them as much as mplayer, but that's where they get a lot of their ability to play windows formats like wmv03:59
pantz_lol - i guess i will find out sooner or later if its bad :)04:00
jdubKamion: -users?04:00
matthewjsya thats what mplayer uses04:00
Kamionjdub: feels like that might get flooded over the lifetime of warty04:00
Kamionthe last line of bugreporter-udeb/install-report.template is:04:00
pantz_do i need to install something else to be able to play mpegs?04:00
KamionOnce you have filled out this report, mail it to submit@bugs.debian.org.04:00
Kamionit's actually intended as a bug report template; Debian installation reports go to the installation-reports package in the BTS04:01
lamontKamion: oops04:01
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pantz_has anyone else found gthumb to be behaving strangely?04:02
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pantz_i only get the listing and thumbnails displayed - no 1/3 part for the current photo04:03
pantz_ie. large version of selected image04:03
tritiumPerhaps I'll hold off on the install report until at least Monday.04:03
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RescueGreetings Ubuntu crowd.  Anyone here available to take a Warty PPC Bug?04:05
tsengbuzilla is open 24/704:06
tseng:D04:06
RescueGreat, couldn't find it on the website.  URL?04:06
tseng /topic04:06
Rescuedoh04:06
Rescueok, thanks04:06
tsengthank you.04:06
JanneMis the installer able to reparttion a dsk without destroying existing data?04:06
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KamionJanneM: yes, but no responsibility for accidental data loss etc. ... backups are your responsibility :)04:07
JanneMok04:07
JanneMI know - just wanted to know if it's _technically_ possible :)04:07
Kamionprobably depends on the filesystem too, I've done it with ext3 but not others04:07
JanneMmm04:08
JanneMext3 is the one I'd need to resize04:08
JanneMI am sorely tempted...04:09
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LnX_hi all04:10
HrdwrBoBJanneM: hey, what's the worst that can happen..04:11
HrdwrBoBoh wait... scratch that04:12
JanneMheh04:12
JanneMI have an external drive I can back up everything to04:12
JanneMand do, regularily04:12
HrdwrBoBah, a realist :)04:12
JanneMit's not the data loss, it's the hassle04:12
HrdwrBoByeah04:12
JanneMdon't want to end up having to reinstall FC2 if I blow that partition04:13
JanneMcar recommend external firewire drive as a backup solution, btw04:13
RescueTseng, thanks. Bug 1380 now created. :-)04:16
RescueI assigned it to cjwatson because I didn't know who else could perhaps work on this.04:17
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Rescuelater folks.04:17
jsubl2pantz_, the wife agreed to try gthumb for a week.  then I told her i would get something else04:19
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kcanyone down for a quick question?04:20
JanneMpantz_: I've seen the missing picture pane in gthumb on FC2 as well04:20
HrdwrBoBit's amazing the amount of development that has come at the heels of gf/wives asking for stuff :)04:20
JanneMI have no idea how to get it back04:20
HrdwrBoBkc:ask away04:20
jsubl2the wife does most of the camera stuff04:20
kcI am trying to mount an iso via loop and it keeps giving me the error cannot find /dev/loop04:20
JanneMgqview is an OK soluton04:21
jsubl2tis  a shame we can't combine the best of gthumb and digicam04:21
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sladenHrdwrBoB: they tend to have the ability to withdraw privileges ...can be a wonderful motivator04:21
kcand I did an slocate and and found the loop devs in the /.dev/04:21
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LnX_kc how did you tried to mount your iso file ?04:21
|Gaaruto|hie04:21
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HrdwrBoBkc:  modprobe loop04:22
kcmount -o loop -t iso9660 image.iso /mnt04:22
kcdirect error is mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#04:23
LnX_kc well....then try a modprobe as told you Hrdwr_BoB 04:23
pantz_JanneM, do you know if it has been reported as a bug?04:23
Kamionmodprobe loop, indeed; devices in /.dev are not active04:23
kcno dice04:23
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bloodhi all, i'm trying to play videos with totem but i can't, only appears a black window and the sound plays, someone can help me?04:25
bloodi'm using the ubuntu warty04:25
|Gaaruto|blood> try to install a codec paquage04:26
bloodi've installed all codecs from mplayer site04:26
bloodi tryied to play .mpg .avi but not04:27
bloodonly the sound plays04:27
neighborleeblood, likely totem version can't handle what your feeding it..try: totem-xine Ithink its called or get mplayer for debian ( not from debian its another mirror that atm I dont remember..google will likely help here )....04:27
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toothpickMy wife likes to play pogo...how do I get java working with firefox?04:28
|Gaaruto|dont works with another player blood ?04:28
kclooks like modprobe -l show loop in the block devices. which may or may not be where it is supposed to be.  but it still give me the mount error04:28
toothpickPreviously when using kanotix...debian sid type hdinstall I had to use opera to get it to work.04:28
|Gaaruto|xine, mplayer ?04:28
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blood|Gaaruto|, ubuntu only have totem by default04:28
bloodi will try with mplayer04:29
mdzkc: try again04:29
bloodthanks04:29
mdzit takes a second after modprobe loop before /dev/loop# shows up04:29
JanneMpantz_: no idea04:29
|Gaaruto|tell us the result blood04:29
blood|Gaaruto|, ok, but i need to get the packages04:30
neighborleetoothpick, I think: tools > extentions > LINK: get more extensions04:30
blood=/04:30
toothpickthanks04:30
neighborleenp04:30
kcbah04:30
kcnothing04:30
kcand it is still in /.dev04:30
kcit should just be a root term with modprobe loop    correct?   no options?04:31
HrdwrBoBsudo modprobe loop04:31
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kc*shakes head*04:32
kcnay04:33
kcrecompile kernel it looks like04:33
HrdwrBoBwhat's the error04:33
kcmount:  could not find any device /mnt/loop#04:34
HrdwrBoBwhat does lsmod say?04:34
kcit says it is there04:35
kcfirst one listed04:36
HrdwrBoBsudo mknod /dev/loop0 b 7 0 04:36
HrdwrBoBwill force it04:36
HrdwrBoBoh hangon04:36
HrdwrBoB/mnt/loop# ?04:36
HrdwrBoBor /dev/loop04:37
Kamionyou *so* shouldn't need to recompile the kernel to get loop devices04:37
HrdwrBoByeah04:37
kcdev04:37
Kamionthey're there as a standard module04:37
Kamioncheck that udevd's running04:37
kcyup on my other straight deb installation they are.04:38
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kcI just installed this on a new drive and they are seemingly not there04:38
Kamiondevices in /dev on Ubuntu are dynamically created using udev04:39
kcyup04:39
kcthe /mknod got it04:39
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kcah I see04:40
kcexcellent04:40
kcthanks04:40
tsengagpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:01:00.0 into 1x mode04:40
tsenghmm wonder what that is all about04:40
pantz_JanneM, now it is :) http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=138104:41
tritiumcsociety.org turned down my mirror request due to lack of space...04:42
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SystemX_hey04:43
JanneMheh, great04:44
tritiumof course, if they were provided a scsi drive, they'd do it...04:45
HrdwrBoBpah04:45
pantz_what do i need to be able to play divx, xvid, etc?04:46
HrdwrBoBwe don't bother with scsi anymore04:46
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pantz_totem doesn't play my stuff ootb04:46
HrdwrBoBterribly expensive, when you can get a decent 3ware/etc card with SATA raid04:46
HrdwrBoBpantz_: you can use marillats packages04:46
bloodHrdwrBoB, where i can get this packages?04:47
HrdwrBoBhttp://hpisi.nerim.net/ <- not affialited with ubuntu or debian in any way04:47
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bloodHrdwrBoB, thanks04:51
pantz_HrdwrBoB, is marillats stuff better to install single packages or add to sources.list?04:51
tsengtritium: what about mirrors.kernel.org04:52
tsengthey seem to be well supplied04:52
tritiumtseng, I haven't tried that.  I'm pursuing the Purdue angle, since I'm here.  I'm still working on cerias.purdue.edu.04:53
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tsengok04:55
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HrdwrBoBpantz_: I would just add it05:02
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bolivarhow often should one upgrade packages?05:06
bolivaras a 'rule'05:07
HrdwrBoBbolivar: if it aint broke...05:07
HrdwrBoB:)05:07
bolivarjust apply the security packages?05:07
HrdwrBoBI know qutie a few people that run apt-get -d (download only) daily05:07
HrdwrBoBand then update every now and again05:08
HrdwrBoBquite05:08
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bolivarmy mom has been on nix for a couple years now...the distro i had her on breaks often...before i leave the country i want to find a new distro for her...so far i must say ubuntu will work great for her05:09
HrdwrBoBah, excellent choice :)05:10
bolivarcant ssh from africa very well ; )05:10
jdubbolivar: whereabouts?05:10
bolivarnigeria...Lord willing that is05:11
HrdwrBoBbolivar: africa is a very large place :)05:11
bolivareverything is looking good05:11
bolivarright north of port harcourt05:11
jdubbolivar: did the name pique your interest? :)05:11
HrdwrBoBwhat are you up to in nigeria?05:12
bolivarwell i am not a nigerian national...im in the usa....i dont know the native languages...nigeria has 260 seperate languages...amazing05:12
djempakbolivar, is it beautiful? ;)05:13
bolivarhrdwrbob: will be teaching in the seminary05:13
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bolivardjempak: ive been doing as much reading as i can...from what ive read it sounds like the eastern border has mountains...that will be nice05:14
elmayamdz u there05:14
mdzyes, but not for long05:15
elmayai tried what u told me about the snd card05:15
punkassanyone get ndiswrapper working on ubuntu?05:15
jdubpunkass: there were some posts on the list about it05:15
elmayapunkass, i did this afternoon05:16
jeedeeI need to get this grub running :P05:16
punkassok ill have a look..cuz i am pullin my hair out05:16
torylinus has a mac?05:17
bolivardjempak: are you from the general area of nigeria?05:17
djempakbolivar, nope, I'm from the USA, but I plan on visiting/moving to Africa in the future05:17
punkassjdub: are u refering to here: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/thread.html05:17
elmayapunkass, what's your problem with ndiswrapper05:18
punkassoh found it..05:19
punkasswell it wouldnt install05:19
tsengtory: linus has a ppc64 as the main devel box05:19
bolivardoes anyone own an ibook?05:19
punkassi was trying to follow the debian how-to on ndiswrappers website05:19
jdubbolivar: quite a few of us, yeah05:19
punkassbut it kept saying i didnt have the kernel sources, but i did05:20
torytseng: is it like a pseries or a powermac?05:20
tsengg5 i believe05:20
torysweet05:20
elmayapunkass you have to install kernel-headers also05:20
punkassi just got rid of everything related to ndiswrapper...and i am going to start fresh05:20
bolivari ask because i want something to keep in touch with my family in the states...are they as reliable as they say?  and also, have you ever used the applecare warranty overseas?05:20
punkassyeah got them too05:20
pantz_i am getting loads of /dev/mixer - no such file or directory" errors when trying to run mplayer - any ideas?05:22
tritiumjdub, has Canonical given any thought to being the first company to support a handheld-based linux?05:23
pantz_eg. - ALSA lib control.c:654:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL /dev/mixer0 16%05:23
pantz_alsa-control: mixer attach /dev/mixer error: No such file or directory05:23
crimsunpantz_: do you have alsa's oss emulation modules loaded? (snd-pcm-oss, which will also load snd-mixer-oss)05:24
elmayawell i cant get my sound card to work05:24
jsubl2elmaya, alsamixer and unmute the channels05:24
tritiumubuntu for the iPaq could improve upon familiar just as ubuntu has improved upon debian05:25
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elmayaalsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device05:26
jsubl2elmaya, what does sudo alsaconf say05:27
elmayait installs it05:28
bloodpantz_, change in audio preferences of mplayer to oss05:28
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elmayabut it keeps saying the same05:28
jsubl2elmaya, sorry. can05:28
jsubl2elmaya, sorry. can't help you05:28
elmayathanx anyway :)05:29
punkasselmaya: it sounds like the oss drivers are getting loading before the alsa ones05:29
punkassthat was the problem i had with debian before05:29
elmayawhat should i do?05:29
punkassdo an lsmod, find the which oss modules are loaded05:30
punkassthen edit /etc/discover.conf and add  skip yourmodule05:30
elmayaoks05:30
punkassthere is a webpage where u can paste stuff..hmm cant remember the URL05:31
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punkassyou could paste it into #flood if you cant find it05:32
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mdzpase.plone.org05:34
mdzpaste.plone.org, that is05:34
punkassive got this dell d600 when i try to power down it just sits at: acpi_power_off called but doesnt turn on05:34
punkassmdz: thanks thats it :)05:34
punkassoops i meant 'off'05:35
PeaceableFroodI just installed Ubuntu and I updated the system, and Gnome not start up, it halts at the splash screen05:36
PeaceableFroodwill*05:36
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punkasselmaya: well i ran through the steps in the mailing list to setup ndiswrapper05:39
punkassi did a full reboot and ndiswrapper doesnt seem to be coming up when i run lsmod05:39
punkassand its still saying there is no wireless devices05:40
FnyarSo, I've just stumbled into this thread after reading a bit about Ubuntu. I'm curious, #1 will all of my knowledge of apt work with Ubuntu, or are there slight changes to how it manages packages. #2 How can I upgrade to Ubuntu if I have Debian Testing installed now?05:41
tritiumpunkass, isn't that a documented bug in Dell Bioses?05:41
punkassno idea...elmaya..said that its working fine05:41
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tritiumpunkass, the acpi_power_off issue, that is05:42
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Fnyarwhoops, got disconnected.05:42
lamontFnyar: it's apt 0.5.2605:42
lamontso, no changes there.05:42
lamontthe components are split up differently, though05:43
punkassah..well the funny thing is that if i choose to reboot is fine, but if i shut down it stops there05:43
Fnyarwhat components?05:43
lamonttesting->warty is (partially) a downgrade...05:43
lamontmain/restricted/universe05:43
lamontinstead of main/non-free/contrib05:43
lamontmain is supported, restricted is binary-driver-blob, and universe is (basically) the rest of debian/main05:43
lamontwarty version-froze end of June, so anything that went into testing since then is newer...05:44
lamonthence the best bet for testing->warty is to do a clean install.05:44
Fnyarok, thanks lamont.05:44
lamontthe truly brave are welcome to pin warty > 1000 and cross their fingers, but it's _completely_ unsupported, and likely to fail05:44
FnyarSo, if I do a clean install of Debian sid, how would I apt-get dist-upgrade to Warty? Would I just change sources.list to have some Ubuntu entries in it?05:45
lamontafter a fresh install, sources.list only has main & restricted - if you want more, and are clueful enough to add 'universe' to the end of the lines, then you're presumed clueful enough to know taht universe is not supported.05:45
lamonts/sid/woody/05:46
lamontthe version ordering goes: woody <warty<sarge<sid05:46
lamontthe two paths are (1) upgrade from woody, or (2) install warty fresh05:47
FnyarOk - I'm curious exactly how I would upgrade from woody...05:49
FnyarI'm assuming I change my sources.list and then do a dist-upgrade, but what do I add in?05:49
Fnyaror...replace rather.05:49
lamontdeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu main restricted (and maybe universe?) --> /etc/apt/sources.list05:49
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lamontand it really wants to be a replace, not an add.  mix-n-match is bad, given that we're shipping gnome2.8 and such...05:50
tvon|X31Fnyar: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Archive05:50
punkassdoes universe just contain additional packages, or newer versions of ones in main/restricted?05:50
tvon|X31additional05:50
lamontand the wiki probably has better instrs than my brain at thist point...05:50
lamontadditional - it's everything that's not supported (== the other 9000 packages)05:50
Fnyartvon|X31, lamont: thanks for the info.05:51
punkassah ok05:51
tvon|X31the main ubuntu archive has proven slow for me (since the prerelease announcement), I'd suggest trying a mirror listed on the wiki05:51
lamontpunkass: warty/main has 2146 binary packages (i386), universe has the 10995 others05:51
lamontbetween them, they're roughly sid as of June 28, modulo failures to build, and such05:52
lamontnon-free isn't in the archive, and contrib isn't yet, to the best of my knowledge, but may be considered for universe on a case by case basis.  Probably not for warty though.05:52
punkassok thanks05:54
punkassstill cant get this ndiswrapper going :(05:55
subterrificthere is only one US mirror?05:56
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tritiumat least for now05:56
subterrificwish i could provide one :\05:57
subterrifici caught me about 6 months too late though05:57
wobin'morning05:57
subterrificused to be in a building with 6 fiber lines05:57
wobinwhere do i send bug reports?05:57
subterrific /topic05:58
wobinsorry :)05:58
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punkassdoh i have no sound06:10
neighborlee:(06:10
punkassalsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for defualt: no such device06:10
punkassand i dont seem to have alsaconf06:10
punkasshmm06:10
punkasshmmm on boot up its saying  No Soundcards found06:10
punkassbut it is loading the snd_intel8x0 modules06:10
neighborleehmm which card06:10
neighborleeoh ic06:10
punkassis onboard on a dell D60006:10
neighborleeyup06:10
neighborleewell did it for sure load the module though..06:10
punkassyeah lsmod shows a bunch of snd_intel8x0m and snd_intel8x006:10
punkassrhythmbox gives me /dev/dsp donent exist06:10
punkassdoesn't*06:11
neighborleesounds right yes06:12
punkassi thought my wireless was my only problem..doh :006:13
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neighborleeI think alsaconf is in alsa_utils....should have it though i'd think ..shrug06:13
Aan_unrel_connHi. 06:13
neighborleehi..06:13
neighborleepunkass, :(06:13
Aan_unrel_connhi lee.06:13
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punkassyes...and its my bosses laptop :(06:13
neighborleepunkass, ohoh ;-006:13
AanDoes anyone know if ubuntu got a working proxim driver?06:14
punkassindeed06:14
AanI am able to load proxim2_usb, but I am not able to start wlan0, :(06:14
Aanalso, does ubuntu come with gcc? also, where can I get the proper kernel source (to compile proxim2 drivers), thanks.06:15
punkasslinux-source-2.6.8.xxx 06:16
neighborleeAan: nope must install afterwards06:16
punkassand apt-get install gcc06:16
neighborleeAan: no clue at all about lan stuff sorry :(((06:16
punkassme either...still trying to get ndiswrapper working06:16
Aanpunkass, cat /proc/version says I got 2.6.8.1-2-386. I am able to find 2.6.8.1 in kernel.org but not xxx-2 :-?06:16
Aanlee, i c..06:16
punkassAan, if u use synaptic and search for linux-source you will find the ubuntu source06:17
Aanah.. bec. of my lack of experience, getting wireless working seems pretty painful.. Only distro that I was able to get my proxim wireless was Linspire 4.5. :(06:17
Aanpunkass, well, I kinda need the wireless connection working to apt-get anything ::06:17
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Aanotherwise, pretty impressive distro.. 06:18
punkassah doh!06:18
punkassyeah its pretty nice eh06:18
Aanlatest kernel, pretty fast gnome, etc06:18
Aanbad sadly there is dirty of documents, and no user forum..06:18
danielscybrjackle|lappy: could you please get http://people.no-name-yet.com/~daniels/xresprobe/xresprobe_0.4.8_i386.deb, install it on your desktop with sudo dpkg -i, then /msg me the output of 'sudo ddcprobe | grep dtiming' and 'sudo xresprobe dummy'?06:18
punkassthey are working on that...the forum that is06:18
danielscybrjackle|lappy: it should work fine for monitor-defined whacky resolutions now :)06:18
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Aanbtw, in theory, if I have proper modules for wireless lan, my wireless should work, right?06:19
Aanhow do I associate wlan0 with proxim card?06:19
Aanlike certain ethernet card (eth0 with linksys or something like that)06:19
dan11I'm currently using a DLink DWL-650, it recognized it automatically06:20
dan11:)06:20
dan11using the orinoco_cs06:20
Aandan11, and you didn't have to do anything to setup the wireless?06:20
dan11nope06:20
Aandid you have to do lsmod?06:20
Aani mean modprobe?06:20
dan11it just asked me for the wep key during the setup06:20
Aanreally?06:20
dan11yup06:20
Aandamn, nothing for me. :(06:20
AanI got dwl-122, so I will try this (but it's not as good as my syntax Usb wireless card which I got for free after rebate).06:21
dan11are the usb port working ok?06:21
punkassand i have some build in wireless on this dell D60006:22
punkassand no soup for me either06:22
Aanyes06:22
punkassbuilt*06:22
Aani am able to access my usb mouse and usb cards06:22
neighborleeAan: linspire is nice for what it does and its target crowd but..its not  terribly good for linux non-newbies <G>06:22
Aani mean I really like debian with apt-get.. but kinda sucks that it takes extensive tweaking to get all the drivers working..06:23
Aan:)06:23
AanKnoppix was great (except its wireless package is broken)06:23
punkassjust need more support from hardware vendors06:23
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Aanhmm, damn, no partition splitter on ubuntu..06:27
Aan:)06:27
lamontAan: package name?06:27
Aanhmm, like qsplitter or something?06:28
Aanah..06:28
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lamontfound something?06:28
AanI think I will just use partition magic in windows, to split a partition, then install linux.06:29
lamontAan: there are some known issues, but having wireless work is pretty high on the list for us...06:29
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Aanwell, to your credit, only distro that allowed my generic proxim2_usb card to function was Linspire 4.5 after I compiled the latest proxim package..06:30
lamontAan: not really sure what our current status is, but then, I'm about to face-plant into the keyboard...06:30
dan11I must say that although Ubuntu recognized my DWL-650, I wasn't able to get a Netgear WG511 working, I believe it uses the prism5406:30
lamontgotta sleep.06:30
jdubnight lamont 06:31
Aanlamont, good idea. :)06:31
Aannight06:31
dan11gnite06:31
jbaileylamont sleeps?06:34
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Aanjabiley, yes06:34
jbaileyWhat I remember from Debconf was him outlasting me at night and being up before me in the morning.06:35
Aanare you guys involved with ubuntu?06:36
dan11I'm just a n00b06:37
jbaileyOnly in patiently waiting for them to let me throw money at them.06:37
Aanha~!06:37
Aanwell, i mean the distro was pretty slick..06:37
Aanbut the text installer is efficient but sore in my eyes..06:37
jbaileyMy employer really likes everything to have a support contract.  We've got Debian on HP gear right now, waiting for them to support it like they do the Itaniums.  At this point, I'll take whoever gets there first.06:37
Aanfastest of the distro's I tried (except slackware and freebsd-no joke)06:38
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Aan_unrel_connl06:40
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dan11do you all have a gmail account?06:43
cleedan11: heh. I'm sure anyone who wants one has one.06:43
dan11I'm giving one away to the first person that tells me the capital, and another city in Venezuela.06:43
jbaileyNope, but I get lots of spam from gmail accounts.06:43
HrdwrBoBI operate a mail cluster of 13 servers06:44
HrdwrBoBwhy would I want a gmail account ? :P06:44
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toryI've got 12 invites I have to use up lol06:45
Aani got a gmail account bec. I barely need it.06:45
AanI mean 200MB from yahoo mail is more than enough..06:46
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AanYahoo mail + yahoo pop! = heaven06:46
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cleegmail is cool. I like a free gig on someone else's servers, and I like keynav in webmail06:46
cleeit still makes me grin06:46
dan11I actually have my own server, but I like the GMail UI06:46
Aanwell, having a search function is quite useful, even in Yahoo..06:47
matt_Hey people... New to ubuntu (and debian) and i'm having some problems getting nvidia drivers installed.. little help?06:47
matt_running on the nv drivers right now..06:47
Aanhmm, the closed source driver seemed to install pretty easily on Debian woody (but that was like a year ago).06:48
punkassinstall nvidia-glx, add nvidia to /etc/modules  and edit XF86config-4 file and change 'nv' to 'nvidia'06:48
Aanif you download the drivers, it should come with documentations.06:48
jomohke_dan11: give it away on http://isnoop.net/gmailomatic.php06:48
matt_Ahh maybe I need nvidia-glx eh? Hmm yeah cause the nvidia-kernel is built into 2.6 right?06:48
matt_Thx punkass06:48
punkassnp06:48
punkassshould be able to just apt-get install nvidia-glx06:49
matt_Aan, thx to you too.. I did check out the docs but yeah... stuck for some reason06:49
cleematt_: apt-get install nvidia-glx06:49
matt_Perfect, don't know why I forgot about that06:49
cleesed -e 's/nv/nvidia/' -i /etc/X11/XF86Config-406:49
cleemodprobe nvidia06:49
punkassclee: nice :)06:49
cleerestart the X server and you should be good to go06:49
dan11jomohke_: I want to give it personally06:49
matt_woah.. what's that second line about clee?06:49
cleematt_: You have to replace the 'nv' line with 'nvidia' in your XF86Config file06:49
matt_can I just nano and change it? lol.. I think I'm gonna do that06:49
cleematt_: That uses sed to do in-place editing06:50
cleeit's a single command so you don't have to open the file06:50
punkassits the l33t way of editing your xf86 file06:50
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punkasslol06:50
matt_Never even heard of sed lol.. that's cool though06:50
matt_=D06:50
matt_I come from gentoo.. but I got pissed off06:50
matt_It was fun though06:50
Aando you guys keep a note for all these cli stuff?06:50
Aanmatt, why weren't you happy with gentoo?06:50
cleeAan: no, I just keep it in my head.06:51
matt_Well, I found I spent too much time playing around with things instead of just using it..06:51
clee(yes, I'm being serious)06:51
punkassclee: what does the -i do?06:51
cleematt_: um, sed is like, hardcore old-school unix.06:51
Aanclee, hmm, you must have good memory..06:51
matt_Got tired of compile times too.. it's practically useless06:51
cleepunkass: in-place editing.06:51
punkassah nice06:51
cleepunkass: as opposed to just spitting the file out to stdout06:51
Aanmatt, heh.. figured..06:51
punkassright06:51
AanI don't wanna compile all my stuff..06:51
matt_Ahhh thanks clee, I've only been here for 3 years or so.06:52
cleematt_: no problem.06:52
Aanthree years of linux using?06:52
matt_PLUS, I always had problems with my fonts.. got really tired of that06:52
punkassclee, know anything about wireless :)06:52
Aanclee, yes :-D06:52
cleepunkass: heh.06:52
cleepunkass: what's your issue?06:52
cleeI haven't played with ndiswrapper at all, jsyk06:53
punkasslol k06:53
matt_uhh one more question: Do I just add nvidia to /etc/modules.conf?06:54
matt_hmmm doesn't look right06:54
matt_obviously I'll modprobe as well so I don't have to reboot06:55
bob2/etc/modules06:55
bob2modules.conf is for something else06:55
matt_lol that's what I was thinkin.. bunch of alsa stuff in there06:55
matt_thx got confused haha06:55
fabbionemorning guys06:56
bob2hey fabbione 06:56
calcclee: hi06:56
fabbionethe next NVIDIA driver upload will have a simple utility to configure X and the kernel06:56
Aanhi fabbione06:56
cleehi, calc :)06:56
fabbionesorry but we didn't make it in time for preview06:56
fabbionethe script is like:06:56
fabbionenvidia enable06:56
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fabbioneor06:56
fabbionenvidia disable06:57
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matt_perfect guys, that was easy, thx. 06:59
cleematt_: no prob07:00
matt_Oh, more questions! (for anybody bored I guess)07:00
matt_Are any of you running xorg 6.8? Is it even possible in ubuntu right now? I haven't checked it out with apt-get yet07:00
bob2it's possible and fairly simple to build it from source07:00
matt_Just wondering, cause drop shadows are purdy.. and useful07:00
matt_ahh.. what about dependancies bob?07:01
matt_err07:01
bob2leave ubuntu's X server installed07:01
bob2install x.org to /opt or whatever07:01
bob2change the /etc/X11/X symlink07:01
punkassclee: i just cant get ndiswrapper to work correctly07:01
matt_and that's about it eh?07:02
bob2daniels: fabbione or does the transparency stuff need a new xlibs?07:02
punkassits all installed etc07:02
Aanpunkass, get a syntax usb card from ecost..07:02
Aanlike $20 ..07:02
Aanreally good card if you can get it working..07:02
cleepunkass: well, I'm useless for that07:02
Aanit works with the latest proxim2 drivers.07:02
cleedaniels might be more helpful07:02
matt_ok, I may try that tomorrow.. for now I'm just gonna enjoy gnome 2.8.07:02
punkassdaniels: you around?07:02
punkassthanks clee07:03
cleepunkass: np07:03
punkassno i just have to figure out sound :(07:03
punkassnow*07:03
matt_Also, I know HAL isn't done yet but.. did I read somewhere that it's a feature in gnome 2.8? Naw.. couldn't be07:03
matt_Would be nice to plug in my camera and have it recognized..07:03
crimsunpunkass: what sort of problems are you having with sound?07:04
crimsun(just reattached)07:04
punkasson boot i see alsa errors07:04
punkassall the modules are loading07:04
punkasssnd_intel8x0m etc07:04
fabbionebob2: i am not sure. but we will have X.org for hoary (6 months) and preview packages are expected no later than mid december07:06
fabbionebob2: we need to finalize Xfree86 for warty before starting on X.org. too much mess otherwise07:06
bob2fabbione: yeah, fair enough07:07
jdubcool, now i have a little icon on my desktop to switch on and off vga output for my i855 card ;)07:07
Aanfabbione, what is the progress on wireless networking?07:07
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fabbioneAan: sorry but i am not working on wireless. afaik there is a page on the wiki to track it07:07
punkassalsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device07:07
fabbioneAan: i don't use wireless myself ;)07:07
Aani c.. fabbione, i just checked the wiki, but not much right now. 07:08
fabbioneAan: did you check the mailing list?07:08
fabbionethere is some discussion going on07:08
Aannope.. haven't thought of that..07:08
Aancan I search through the mailing list?07:08
fabbioneabout firmwares and stuff like that07:08
fabbioneAan: i believe so07:08
Aan'k will check it right now..07:08
jdubAan: what kind of wifi hardware do you have?07:08
fabbioneotherwise just subscribe and ask..07:08
jdubno, no search on the lists yet :|07:08
fabbioneubuntu-user is the proper forum07:09
BluMax,\ 07:09
fabbionejdub: he can still see via thread..07:09
fabbionecan't he?07:09
jdubyeah07:09
BluMax. 07:09
Aanjdub, I got Syntax Wireless USb, which I got for free afer rebate from Ecost..07:10
Aanactually, it's the best wireless card I ever used..07:10
Aanamazing reception...07:10
Aani also got dwl-12207:10
jdubhrm, i don't know what chipset that is07:11
AanI tried various releases, but I was only able to get it working until Linspire 4.5 (kernel 2.4) with the latest wlan package07:11
Aanit's proxim207:11
punkassany thoughts why alsa woundn't work on a dell d600?07:11
jdubbut we have lots of good wifi hardware support :)07:11
crimsunpunkass: someone has it working on a d600. i'm waiting for his response (he may be asleep)07:12
punkassjdub: but not for ndiswrapper :(07:12
punkassah ok thanks07:12
Aanpunkass, ah.. ndiswrapper.. why not get a hardware with opensource driver?07:12
punkasscuz its by bosses laptop and it has built in wireless07:12
punkassits brand new..so i am not sure he wants to hear...ok you have to buy a new wifi card 07:13
punkassbut if it comes down to that he might07:13
jdubpunkass: ndiswrapper is totally unsupportable, dude07:13
punkassoh07:13
punkassdoh07:13
jdubpunkass: we might get it into restricted some time07:13
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Aanpunkass, just get a cheap USB wireless card..07:13
jdubbut it's not a huge priority because it's so awful ;)07:13
punkassah07:13
AanOR, even a classic netgear wireless psmcia card for like 10 off ebay.07:14
punkassi have it all installed but its just doesnt seem to want to initialize07:14
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punkassAan: yeah true07:14
Aanyeah, I hate hardwares with no driver support. :D07:14
Aantoo much pain for very little reward..07:14
Aani mean it takes literally hours and hours of reading, compiling, reading more and tweaking to get it working..07:15
punkassok well ill leave wireless for now...on to the sound! w00t!07:15
Aannot just worth it, unless you are from Somalia.07:15
danielsbob2: libs-wise, you just need a new render/xrender, fixesext/xfixes, damageext/xdamage, and compositeext/xcomposite07:15
punkassyeah i hear that...been workin on it now for a good 5-6 hours07:15
bob2daniels: ah07:15
matt_ahhh.. sorry guys, got another question. Should be easy..07:16
cleematt_: answer: NO07:16
cleekidding.07:16
matt_ok so I want to mount my winblows partition (so I can keep music accessible in one place)..07:17
matt_I've got everything set up in fstab, except I'm not sure which options to pass07:17
matt_the filesystem is ntfs07:17
bob2it will be read-only07:18
cleematt_: how do you have it setup in fstab?07:18
bob2but set umask=00207:18
Aanhmm, I tried this "ntfs.sys" wrapper thingy that allows stable write access..it was pretty good.07:18
matt_Ok no, not readonly though07:18
bob2matt_: then you have to use a horrific hack that loads a windows driver into the linux kernel07:18
matt_umm umask=000?07:18
bob2no, linux does not support writing to NTFS at all07:18
matt_Omg right07:18
Aanhorrific hack indeed, but it won't thrash your data. :D07:18
bob2due to the complete lack of documentation on the filesystem07:19
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matt_Back in the day when I used to do this I would write to vfat.. bah!07:19
bob2yup, vfat is fine.07:19
Aanmatt, how about just get partition magic and convert ntfs to fat32?07:19
matt_Hmmm I wonder what I should do now... 07:19
Aanbetter yet, get a 160 gig hard drive for like $60 and move all that to a new fat32 partition?07:20
bob2partition magic can convert on the fly?07:20
matt_Aan, sounds perfect.. I was just thinking about that. I've got PM07:20
Aanbob2, not on the fly, but it'll reboot and do it on a minimal winxp boot07:20
AanPM is amazing..07:20
matt_it is quite amazing07:20
AanI've did so much tinkling with my partitions, and never lost any data.07:20
matt_alrighty.. thanks guys, I'll be back after converting lol.. then I think I know what to do07:20
cleepartition magic is neat for some things but it's really crappy at others07:20
bob2wow, I would totally never trust something to do that07:20
cleefor example, the parted stuff with ntfs resizing is a few hundred times faster than partition magic's ntfs resize ops07:21
Aanparted, hmm, i used it a few times under knoppix and it's frustrating to say the least..07:21
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cleeparted is totally insane07:23
cleebut its pretty solid if you can stand the shitty text UI07:23
bob2it should come with a built-in X server07:23
bob2with full transparency!07:23
Ycrosclee, eh? parted has a great text ui07:24
cleeYcros: no. it's evil.07:24
Aanheh.. all text ui is evil~!07:24
cleeAan: dude, I'm the only one in here who knew what sed was.07:24
Ycrosbetter than fdisk and cfdisk (:07:24
Aanfdisk isn't too bad..07:24
cleeI like fdisk's UI, to be honest.07:24
Aanclee, I agree.07:24
Ycrosclee, sed still 'is'07:25
Aanah, damn, I am too spoiled with windows..07:25
punkassi tried to use qtparted the other day...kinda made me crazyy07:25
cleeAan: once you get used to the CLI you don't want to go back to GUIs for things that require actual thought07:25
punkassused fdisk instead07:25
cleestuff like my music and web browsing, sure, that's fine - GUIs are great07:25
AanI mean in windows, yes, you get BSOD, viruses, etc, but at least it's so easy to install and update stuff.07:25
cleeAan: dude, that's what Ubuntu is all about. :)07:25
Aanclee, really?07:25
punkassupdating is easy on linux07:25
cleeinstalling and updating stuff is pretty simple07:25
cleeit's all Debian based, dude07:26
Aanso hopefully in Ubuntu, it won't require 3 hours to get my sound working, 6 hours to get my wireless working, and another couple of hours to enable ntfs access, etc?07:26
YcrosWhere's your large software repository for windows? (;07:26
cleeAan: um, if you want ntfs *access* it's a few seconds07:26
Aanwell, apt-get upgrade/update is cool, but I am talking about setting hardware stuff.. it's pain.07:26
bob2Aan: don't buy shitty hardware07:27
bob2same as with windows07:27
bob2then wireless and sound Just Work07:27
cleeAan: If you want ntfs write, it's a pain in the ass as always.07:27
Aanexcept in Mandrake and Suse, pretty easy hardware management.07:27
bob2if you want write access to NTFS, complain to MS, it's their fault it doesn't exist in Linux07:27
cleebob2: well, it *does* exist07:27
cleebob2: it's just that you need to load an ntfs.sys driver from a Windows system.07:27
Aanand it works pretty well. :_)07:27
bob2clee: using a horrific hack07:27
cleebob2: horrific or not, the hack works *really* well.07:27
bob2I meant "in linux" as in "part of the kernel"07:28
cleeand the performance is absolutely stunning07:28
cleeconsidering the hackishness of the whole thing07:28
Aananother annoying thing about linux.. a lot of websites won't work propery in mozilla even with shockwave plugins..07:28
zenwhenThats an annoying thing about web devs.07:29
zenwhenNot about linux.07:29
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neighborleeheh07:29
tuo2zenwhen: amen.07:29
neighborleelong as my startrek site works I"M GOOD lol07:29
Aanflash can be cool, but I would rather prefer simple website with readable font..07:29
YcrosAan, really? I haven't seen many. In fact....07:29
Aanwell, I am from Korea...07:29
neighborleekewl..washington state here07:30
Ycrosoh. well then.07:30
Aanand most Korean websites make extensive use of flash..07:30
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ParisiHey guys07:30
ParisiIm back.07:30
YcrosI've seen a lot of korean sites which don't work well in mozilla07:30
cleehi, Parisi 07:30
Ycrosso I guess that's true :P07:30
ParisiHey :)07:30
aruduring "copying remaining packages to hard disk" my system stops at 27%, I tried another burn and another iso and still get the same thing, andy ideas?07:30
Aanycros, yes.. indeed.07:31
ParisiAnyone running ubuntu on a SOny lappy :P07:31
Aanaru, tried checking the MD5 checksum?07:31
bob2aru: check the md5sum of the .iso file and the cd07:31
arui already did07:32
bob2and both matched?07:32
arui think it might be a hardware problem, Xandros 2 stops at 87%, the only distro i've got to work is SuSE07:32
aruyeah07:32
punkasshmm  getting a load state : No sound card found error on boot up07:32
Aanyou want to see a cool Korean site check out: http://www.sinmadam.net/07:33
Aanof course, it won't work under mozilla..07:33
AanIE, yes, IE.07:33
bob2complain to the webmaster07:33
Aanalso, say no if it wants to install something, bec. it's probably some spyware.07:33
bob2and their boss, for hiring an idiot07:33
Aanhmm, it's a *cough *cough Korean warez site..07:34
Aannot that I download anything illegal..07:34
Aanfor purely educational purpose.07:34
bob2er, then it sounds rather highly off-topic...07:34
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Aanbut the site is the most creative site I've ever seen..07:35
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benhhi !07:36
cleeheh.07:36
benhI'm wondering if there are any plans to go to some decent glibc version ?07:36
cleecanonical guys, wake up07:36
tuo2are there any australian mirrors for ubuntu yet?07:37
benhunlike debian which is stuck with a years old one, doesn't do NTPL/TLS on ppc and is hopeless for ppc6407:37
jdubwhoa, benh, dude! :)07:38
benhhehe07:38
aruhmm07:38
bob2haha07:38
jdubbenh: not for WartyWarthog, but for our next release... a few people have asked about it07:38
bob2jdub: hm, would it be worth bugging a aarnet guy about an ubuntu mirror?07:38
benhgetting a glibc that doesn't suck is a big pain with debian atm07:38
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jdubbob2: possibly07:39
jdubbob2: we'll have one at pacific and optus soon07:39
benhjdub: interesting07:39
benhjdub: when does the next release cycle open so I jump in ? :)07:39
Aanwhy not set up a bittorrent seed?07:39
bob2jdub: oh, pimp07:39
jdubbenh: within the month, i'm sure07:39
bob2Aan: already done07:39
Aan:D07:39
jdubAan: we do :)07:39
jdubbenh: did you see our patch for booting on G5 xserve?07:40
benhok, I'll try to keep an eye on it07:40
benhjdub: which one ? :)07:40
benhjdub: G5s really _WANT_ a 64 bits kernel btw07:40
jdubbenh: we have a few of those to build on, unfortunately haven't got smp going07:40
benhrunning a 32 bits kernel is really sub-optimal and I'm considering dropping support for them07:40
jdubhttp://www.no-name-yet.com/patches/xserve-g5.diff07:40
benhjdub: oh, I have fixed 32 bits boot in latest bk I think07:40
benhjdub: you should build biarch toolchains & build 64 bits kernels07:41
jdub8)07:41
cleeew07:41
cleebiarch is such a clusterfuck07:41
benhalan modra has nice patches that make gcc buildable without glibc07:41
cleewe need real multiarch07:41
Aanwow. this chan actually got a few developers..07:41
benhno, I'm talking about the toolchain07:41
benhyou do what you want for the distro07:41
jdubbenh: we're considering multiarch, given amd64 and ppc64 support07:41
bob2clee: toolchain not package system07:41
benhbut you want a biarch compiler07:41
bob2and debian is working on multiarch07:41
jdubAan: we're all here07:41
benhand building a ppc64 kernel will soon require a biarch gcc anyway07:42
crimsunpunkass: remove the snd-intel8x0m.ko file (rm -f) and the i810_audio.ko07:42
benhjdub: patch looks good, basically what i commited upstream07:42
benhjdub: SMP doesn't work with that ?07:42
punkassok07:42
jdubbenh: colin and thom were very excitedly setting them up when we got them ;)07:43
benhjdub: well, I admit I haven't tried a 32 bits kernel on a g5 for ages07:43
jdubbenh: don't believe so, thom and colin will know more07:43
bob2"that's a rather big ipod!"07:43
jdubheh07:43
cleebob2: heh.07:43
benhwell, one thing is that on ppc64, it's usually accepted that biarch distro is also the way to go07:43
benhnobody wants a ppc64 bash07:43
Aanwhere you guys from?07:43
benh64 bits binaries are bigger & slower, thanks to our fucked up ABI07:43
jdubAan: sydney, australia07:44
cleeAan: .us for me07:44
benhthat's what all distros do at least07:44
bob2(shamelessly ripping off jdub)07:44
Aanalso are you guys a part of some company? (like linspire, or lycoris)07:44
bob2canberra, .au07:44
bob2Aan: Canonical.07:44
benhCanberra, .au07:44
jdubclee: thom took one of the xserves to the hosting place on the tube07:44
cleeAan: The company is 'Canonical'07:44
m_tthew.us07:44
cleejdub: oh?07:44
Aana lot of aussies, eh.07:44
benhCanonical is an .au company ? :)07:44
jdubclee: thus the, "that's a fucking huge ipod" gag07:44
cleejdub: heheheheh07:44
bob2benh: isle of man.07:44
jdubbenh: nah, but 6/34 are aussie07:44
cleejdub: the new G5 iMacs look much more like big iPods tho.07:44
benhbob2: where is that ? :)07:44
bob2it just happens to be run by a .au cabal07:45
Aanany asians in the group?07:45
NafaiTINC!07:45
cleebob2: dude, there is no cabal.07:45
bob2benh: just off the coast of Scotland07:45
cleeand it's definitely not pasc.07:45
benhbob2: oh, good scotch over there !07:45
cleehttp://cabal.freedesktop.org/07:45
cleetoo funny.07:45
bob2haha07:45
benhjdub: I still think biarch should be considered for ppc64 ... oh well...07:45
bob2clee: haha07:45
jdubbenh: hey, could happen :)07:46
benhjdub: there will be binary apps that will be 32 bits07:46
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benhjdub: that is the main problem07:46
Aanwhere is "Isle of Man"?07:46
benhjdub: like IBM own management tools07:46
jdubAan: in the channel between uk and france07:46
jdubbenh: yeah07:46
benhjdub: well, I nominate you to spread the message ;)07:46
jdubheh07:46
benhwell, whatever option you chose, the point is07:46
benh1) compilers should be biarch07:47
benh2) you should be able to run both 32 and 64 bits userland binaries07:47
benh:)07:47
Aan" It is 33 miles long, 13 miles wide and covers an area of 227 square miles. More than 40% of the Island is uninhabited."07:47
Aanwow.07:47
Aanit's so small.07:47
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jdubAan: great for parties.07:47
jdub"who wants to play sardines?"07:48
jdub"again?"07:48
arunow it gives me "buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block ??????" whats that mean?07:48
Aandamn, I wanna immigrate to your island..07:49
AanI am not too happy with my country..07:49
jdubAan: none of the developers actually live on the island ;)07:50
jdubAan: we're all over the world07:50
aruso i wonder if i need a new hdd07:50
Aani c.. :)07:51
cleearu: absolutely.07:51
cleearu: any time you think you might need one, you do.07:51
arui was thinking of some diagnostic tools, but everything i've found requires a floppy07:51
m_tthewclee: well put07:52
arubut as I stated, other distros install fine07:52
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bob2to say what?07:53
clee"That's a big iPod."07:53
cleeand other funny things.07:53
bob2haha.07:53
AanOr, like specific services offered, exptertise, etc.07:54
Aanalso, some short history of the company..07:54
Aana few pictures..07:54
cleeAan: dude, I've seen these guys.07:54
cleeAan: trust me, you don't want pics.07:54
whiprushjdub: ping pong07:54
Aan;)07:54
bob2harsh dude07:54
cleebob2: I'm just kidding. :)07:55
NafaiI've met one Canonical employee.07:55
cleebob2: Aren't you Sideshow?07:55
NafaiAn Aussie even.07:55
jblack No.  Thats bob1. 07:55
Aanyou guys actually get paid? If so, enough to pay your rent and buy two meals/day?07:55
bob2clee: allegedly07:55
cleeAan: heh. No, they're all starving to death, but somehow they have internet access and computers.07:56
cleebob2: heh, rock.07:56
bob2clee: have I met you and forgotten already?07:56
Aanclee, just like me.07:56
cleebob2: heh, no. daniels was ranting about how insane it was that you ARE sideshow bob.07:56
cleebob2: daniels crashed at my place and we went to OLS, then he flew up to your meetup07:57
bob2clee: ahhhhhh, now I remember07:57
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bob2clee: one day I'll find a working nuke :-/07:59
cleebob2: heh.07:59
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matt_Cool so my windows drive is mounted lol.. took me long enough07:59
cleehttp://fooishbar.org/gallery/boston-jul04/acp08:00
cleeheh.08:00
clee(that's my car that we were in!)08:00
Aanmatt, PM?08:00
dukekuparkinlot08:00
matt_Aan, yeeep08:00
matt_worked a charm08:00
bob2clee: hah08:01
matt_are you all running gnome 2.8?08:02
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crimsuni essentially08:03
crimsun-i08:03
cleematt_: .... anybody with ubuntu is08:04
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matt_err yeah I just thought about that lol08:05
matt_ok no more dumb questions for now =D08:05
jblackclee: I'm running kde. :) 08:10
cleejblack: :)08:10
jdubwhiprush: pong08:19
Mithrandirgood morning08:19
bob2aloha08:20
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whiprushjdub: hey are you replacing your ibook or just adding the x300?08:23
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whiprushI'm in the market for a new laptop and I'm considering ppc.08:23
matt_Is there a site listing all the available packages for apt-get?08:23
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whiprushwonder what limitations, if any ppc has. I hear things like w32codecs don't work (for obvious reasons).08:24
bob2matt_: run aptitude or synaptic08:24
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matt_bob: is that a front end?08:24
bob2whiprush: non-free x86-only code doesn't work. no ndiswrapper, no linuxant stuff, no w32codecs...08:24
bob2whiprush: most everything else works08:24
bob2matt_: to apt? yes.08:24
whiprushhmmm.08:25
Aanmatt, also try "apt-cache search 'the name of the program'"08:25
Aanvery useful.08:25
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whiprushI take it the airport extreme cards won't work either?08:25
matt_ok awesome.. is one better than the other?08:25
matt_thanks Aan08:25
Aannp.08:25
matt_was used to emerge -s "nameofprogram"08:25
bob2whiprush: correct08:25
bob2whiprush: I use an external usb wireless card08:26
whiprushthey're mini pci cards though right? I could always swap it out I hope?08:26
bob2(in place of an airport extreme in my ibook)08:26
bob2whiprush: no, it's not a normal minipci card, you cannot use another card in there08:26
whiprushbah08:26
bob2yes, apple/broadcom suck08:26
whiprushI want a 15" powerbook, but I don't want the hassle that it brings.08:27
bob215" has a pcmcia slot08:27
matt_ahh, that's exactly what I needed Aan.. though I might as well check out the gui anyways08:27
bob2use a pcmcia wireless card08:27
whiprushyeah, but that's just settling.08:27
bob2"settling"?08:28
=== Aan after getting Palm T3, portable keyboard, 256MB SD card, and external battery pack, I no longer bring my laptop to school.
whiprushI can snag a pc notebook with built in everything that works out of the box.08:28
bob2oh, settling for a non-ideal solution08:28
whiprushright right08:28
whiprushplus, I keep snapping off antennas. hahah.08:28
whiprushI'm on my 5th orinoco.08:28
Aanwell, I just don't wanna lug 6 pounder around along with my heavy books..08:29
whiprushI take it the bluetooth is linux-friendly?08:29
bob2the bluetooth in my ibook Just Worked08:29
jdubwhiprush: adding the X30008:30
jdubwhiprush: handy to have a ppc (even if it's slow) around08:30
jdubthe bluetooth in the X300 just worked too08:30
Aanoh, trying to get bluetooth and T610 to work on LInux is another story.. 08:31
Aan:D08:31
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Aanin Windows, it just works.. esp. with SP2.. not with Linux..08:31
MithrandirAan: can you use the keyboard while in landscape mode on the palm?08:31
MithrandirAan: I'm considering getting one myself08:32
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Aanmithrandir, not with my keyboard..08:32
Aanwhich is a serial one. but if you get an IRDA or bluetooth, yes.. you can.08:32
Aanit's highly useful..08:33
Mithrandirthe landscape mode?08:33
Aanyes..08:33
Mithrandiror keyboard?08:33
Mithrandiror both? :)08:33
Aanlandscape mode..08:33
Mithrandirwon't a BT keyboard suck a lot of batteries?08:33
AanI find Documents to Go to be an amazing program.08:33
AanYes, BT keyboard will use up the battery real quick..08:34
AanIRDA doesn't use much battery, based on what I hear..08:34
Mithrandirwell, I don't trust irda links, they're not encrypted.08:34
Aanhmm, let's see.. 08:34
Mithrandirand I'm going to use ssh and such from it.08:34
AanIRDA has a like an effective distance of like 2 feet, and is directional..08:35
whiprushWell, I suppose if you can afford the ridiculous prices on BT keyboards, you can afford the batteries.08:35
Aanmithrandir, if you wanna do ssh, you are probably better off with Zaurus.08:35
Mithrandirwhiprush: it's not that I can't afford it, it's that it's annoying to change them.08:35
AanPalm PowertoGo battery pack is only $50 off amazon.com08:35
Aanit literally 3-4X your battery.. T3 is not known for long battery.08:36
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MithrandirAan: the zauruses are hard to come by in .no, and I like palmos a lot.08:36
gnuhey guys how do you log into root w/ ubuntu?08:36
Mithrandirgnu: you don't; use sudo.08:36
bob2gnu: as I said, it's in the FAQ08:36
Mithrandirgnu: if you really want, set a root password using 'sudo passwd root'08:37
whiprushMithrandir: bah, I'm bitter about the whole "It took us 5 years to get this out because we wanted to engineer it to be cheap and accessible" and every mfg. seems to throw it on their $100 gadgets.08:37
Mithrandirwhiprush: yeah.. the chips themselves are like $2 or so, aren't they?08:37
whiprushsomething like that.08:37
MithrandirAan: what is the battery life without it?08:38
Aanpalm os is really cool..08:38
Aan3-4 hours for normal usage..08:38
Aanunder two hours with BT on..08:38
Mithrandirthat's not much, no..08:38
Aan5+ hours with screen off and mp3 playing with cpu underclocked08:38
Aannot much at all.08:38
Mithrandirbut it's more like 15h with mp3 playing and screen off?08:39
Mithrandirhow well does the t3 work as an mp3 player?08:39
Aanproblem is, T3 only comes with 900 something (unit of battery measurement) battery08:39
MithrandirmAh, I guess.08:39
Mithrandirmilli Ampere hours08:39
Aan15H, you wish.. :)08:39
Aanyes.. mah.08:39
MithrandirAan: with the ptg, I mean08:39
Aanyes..08:40
Aanptg is amazing..08:40
Aanbut seriously, I do a lot of useful things with T3..08:40
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Mithrandirand you can use the ptg at the same time as you use the keyboard?08:40
Aanlike GPS navigation with $60 serial gps I got, scheduling with aegendus, notetaking with Docs to Go, really good OSS calculator program, mp3 playing, etc. 08:41
Aanyes.. ptg allows serial pass through..08:41
Mithrandirgoodie08:41
punkasscrimsun: well removing those files didnt seem to help08:41
crimsunfrom a fresh reboot?08:42
punkassyeah08:42
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ParisiBack08:43
ParisiOn ubuntu!08:43
punkasssame error when i run alsamixer etc08:43
ParisiOn my lappy :)08:43
Aanpunkass, try knoppix on your lappy..08:43
Aanif it works, then debian probably supports your lappy's sound..08:44
punkasshmm good idea08:44
ParisiHey whats the asiest way to manage services under ubuntu?08:44
Parisieasiest*08:44
Aanof course, you can always try Mandrake or Suse (seems to have good hardware support)08:44
ParisiI just wanna disable a couple.08:44
crimsunpunkass: did you remove ac97_codec.ko, too?08:44
punkassnope08:44
bob2Parisi: the easiest way is to remove those packages08:45
bob2Parisi: second easist is rcconf or update-rc.d08:45
ParisiHmm..08:46
tuo2jdub: missed the log... do we have an aussie mirror yet?08:46
jdubtuo2: i'll have to check with elmo 08:47
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tuo2thanks. :)08:47
jdubi gave him some contacts and stuff08:47
jdubpacific internet will have one soon08:47
jdubthey're on PIPE08:47
punkasscrimson: removing that one didnt hepl either08:49
alakdanhello can someone help me out on configuring my wireless card using ubuntu? I installed it on a ecs a530 transmeta laptop,08:50
ParisiWhat program does Ubuntu use to adust the cpu frequency by default?08:50
bob2alakdan: what sort of card is it?08:50
ParisiAnyone?08:50
crimsunpunkass: are you rebooting between changes?08:50
bob2Parisi: cpufreqd.08:50
punkassyup08:50
bob2Parisi: and 17 seconds isn't very long to wait for an asnwer..08:50
crimsunpunkass: ok, use #flood to paste me the ALSA-related lines from ``dmesg''08:50
jdubbob2: powernowd08:51
punkassok..one moment..just trying knoppix 3.408:51
jdubParisi: powernowd :)08:51
ParisiAh, makes more sense now.08:51
Parisithanks :)08:51
bob2er, oops, my mistake08:51
alakdanbob2: the wifi card seems to be using prism2_usb08:52
bob2alakdan: ok.08:52
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Parisibob2, 17 secs? I would have waited all night, i didnt quite get that, ?08:53
Parisio_O08:53
bob2nevermind.08:53
ParisiHeh, ok.08:53
whiprushanyone with an ipod get it to automount?08:54
alakdanbob2: doing ifconfig -a,  wlan0 is there but mac address is all zeroes08:54
jdubwhiprush: usb or firewire?08:54
whiprushjdub: either, I have both.08:54
jduboh08:54
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jdubnot sure why usb wouldn't work08:54
MithrandirAan: and, I guess it works well with linux?08:54
jdubfirewire i doubt would work08:54
MithrandirAan: including getting the docs out into some non-proprietary format?08:55
pete_hooray for ubuntu. so far so good. and so impressed.08:55
bob2g-v-m doesn't do firewire?08:55
whiprushjdub: although, for a while in sid it was busted, so I'm leaning towards "busted at the moment".08:55
whiprushgvm will do firewire.08:55
whiprushjust not at the moment, for me anyway. :p08:55
bob2hah08:55
jdubi didn't think hal did everything required for firewire08:55
punkasscrimson: well i am listening to streaming radio via xmms on knoppix 3.408:55
punkasstho it is probably through oss08:55
whiprushjdub: yeah, it even mounts it as "ieee1394drive" or whatever08:56
whiprushkinda cool08:56
jduboh right08:56
jdubi should get some firewire thing08:56
jdubto plug in08:56
whiprushalthough, I was building from cvs, I'm wondering if the sid snapshot is just an older build08:56
jdubit's probably the age of the ubuntu version08:57
whiprushyeah that was my guess.08:57
jdubwe weren't upgrading hal along with gnome post-upstream-version-freeze08:57
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jdubyoglyph08:58
glyphubuntu supports opteron, yes?08:58
punkasscrimson: load_state: 1134: No soundcards found08:58
subterrifichmm, does 'flags: ...ht...' not mean that the cpu supports hyperthreading?08:59
jdubglyph: yeah08:59
whiprushglyph: yeah, that's the amd64 iso you want.08:59
whiprushwarty-amd64.iso09:00
subterrifici've got this machine and i could have sworn it was a p4 3.2ghz w/ HT, but booting the smp kernel says Hyperthreading Disabled09:00
subterrificand i see no bios options for enabling it09:00
glyphthe i386 iso won't work on opteron then?09:00
whiprushit'll work09:00
subterrificglyph: it will, but it would be stupid09:00
glyphhah!  trick question, no it won't work ;-)09:01
glyphat least, I've got an opteron here which is stubbornly refusing to work with it09:01
Mithrandirglyph: I'm running it on my athlon64 system at home at least.  Could you give us a bit more information that "does not work"?09:01
glyphI get through the installation procedure just fine, but when I get to the point where it's ready to boot from disk, it prints out a few messages from grub but doesn't actually hit the boot menu09:01
Mithrandirglyph: how much memory?09:02
alakdanare there any mirrors of ubuntu packages? or is it safe to add debian ones?09:02
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glyphMithrandir: Aaaah09:02
Mithrandiralakdan: yes, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Archive09:02
glyphMithrandir: 1.5G09:03
Mithrandiralakdan: mixing Debian and Ubuntu packages should work, but is not supported.09:03
punkasscrimson: Intel ICH: probe of 0000:00:lf.5 failed with error -1609:03
alakdanMithrandir: hmmm.. its timing out. any other mirrors?09:03
Mithrandiralakdan: there are a bunch of mirrors on that page.09:04
Mithrandirglyph: what kind of error do you get?09:04
Mithrandirglyph: as in, what are the messages?09:04
glyphMithrandir: just a moment while I check09:05
crimsunpunkass: could you paste the output of ``lsmod'' on pastebin.com09:05
punkassok i just found out that 1f.5 is the sound card and sounds like some irc error09:05
punkasscrimson: ok09:06
alakdanMithrandir: I can not access the page, can you post in on paste bin or #flood?09:06
glyphMithrandir: GRUB loading stage 1.5...09:07
glyphMithrandir: GRUB loading, please wait...09:07
punkasscrimsun: its there09:07
Mithrandiralakdan: /privmsg09:07
Mithrandirglyph: and then nothing happens?09:07
glyphMithrandir: yep.  Then it hangs.09:07
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alakdanMithrandir: thanks a lot! :)09:08
crimsunpunkass: and this is with 2.8.6.1-2?09:08
Mithrandirglyph: what file system do you have on /?09:09
punkassyup09:09
punkassjust reading on google...someone with same laptop had same error09:09
punkassirq conflict with lpt port09:10
glyphMithrandir: ext309:11
Mithrandirglyph: hm, ok.  That should just work.09:11
glyphMithrandir: INDEED IT SHOULD! :)09:12
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Mithrandirglyph: I need to get some food; could you please file a bug on bugzilla.ubuntu.com with as much information as you can gather?  Hardware configuration is interesting.  Please assign the bug to tfheen@raw.no and I'll follow up on it.09:12
crimsunpunkass: ok, and if you juggle the irqs (i.e. disable the devices in bios you don't use), what occurs?09:12
glyphMithrandir: You know, I think this is very likely not ubuntu's problem; I was just hoping someone here might have some insight09:12
punkassDING DING...(i think)09:12
Mithrandirglyph: we'd like ubuntu to work well on all amd64 hardware.09:12
glyphMithrandir: This system seems to have been invaded by a ghost recently, because a previous installation of sarge used to work, and now, the same CDs that I used to install the last working version of sarge (booting less than 5 hours ago on this same machine) do not yield a working minimal install09:13
Mithrandirsounds like hardware failure, then. :/09:13
glyphMithrandir: and actually, the win64 installer won't even boot09:13
glyphI need to scare up a spare disk to test this with.09:13
Mithrandirglyph: I doubt we can fix hardware errors. ;)09:13
Mithrandiranyway, food09:14
subterrificcan someone help me out here, this is really confusing me. i've got this machine someone gave me and i just installed ubuntu on it. when i cat /proc/cpuinfo "ht" shows up in the flags. however, the bios says nothing about enabling hyperthreading and its a P4 2.5ghz 09:14
glyphMithrandir: I'll get back to you if I can produce a coherent explanation of what's happening.09:14
Mithrandirglyph: thanks a lot09:14
subterrificis it possible that /proc/cpuinfo is wrong and the cpu really doesn't have hyperthreading?09:14
subterrificand if not, is there a way to enable hyperthreading besides using the bios?09:15
punkasscrimson: that did it..turned off the ltp port in the bios09:15
punkasssweet action. :)09:15
crimsunpunkass :)09:16
punkassHAHAHAHAH and that fixed my wireless problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!09:16
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ParisiWHat file does 2.6 use for loading modules on boot?09:17
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punkass/etc/modules i believe09:17
ParisiI do know 2.4 used /etc/modules.conf09:18
ParisiWas just wondering wheter anything has changed.09:18
punkasswell there is a /etc/modules file that i added nvidia to to load it09:18
crimsunmodprobe.conf09:18
crimsunbut modules listed in /etc/modules will be loaded, too09:18
WareHajimeSorry to bother but can anyone help me setup a dual partition trick with this distro as I can't access the partition.09:19
WareHajimeMy windows Partition that is.09:19
ParisiWareHajime,  you should add an entry on your fstab :)09:19
Parisioh oh nevermind.09:19
ParisiRead it wrong.09:19
bob2Parisi: use /etc/modules in 2.4 and 2.609:20
bob2WareHajime: what isn't working?09:20
Parisibob2, Will do.09:20
bob2not sure if that's a Debian-ism or not.09:20
WareHajimeI wanna do the "dd if=/dev/hda2 of=/mnt/floppy/linux.bin bs=512 count=1" trick. So I can put it into a floppy then go into my windows partition and just edit my boot.ini so when it shows it I have a menu.09:21
punkassif i modprobe ndiswrapper then do a modules-update with that set it so it will load on boot up09:21
WareHajimeI don't have access to a console during installation so I am stumped.09:21
punkassor should i just add it to /etc/modules09:21
bob2punkass: no, add it to /etc/modules09:21
punkassok thanks09:21
glyphdoes warty do anything funny in the way of kernel patches?09:21
alakdancan some one help me out on configuring my wifi. The usb vendor string is Airvast09:21
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bob2alakdan: did you read the linux-wlan-ng README?09:22
ParisiAnyone running Ubuntu on a Sony lappy?09:22
bob2WareHajime: why not let grub boot windows?09:22
ParisiThis setup is tricky.09:22
WareHajimeWell since I heard how Windows XP isn't happy when it's not the main MRB and it get's mad I didn't want to risk it.09:23
alakdanbob2: is the wlan-ng a different package than the wireless-tools?09:23
bob2alakdan: yes.09:23
bob2alakdan: prism2_usb does not use wireless-tools09:23
alakdanbob2: oh, ok09:24
WareHajimebob2: I wouldn't mind doing that is just I dunno if WindowsXP will work properly.09:24
punkassi just rebooted and got "Unable to acquire monitor of the Trash directory" error, should i be worried?09:25
matt_uhh I've never had winxp get mad at me when I steal it's precious mbr09:25
punkassoh..and i now have no trashbin09:25
bob2alakdan: you want the linux-wlan-ng package, which is hopefully in ubuntu...09:25
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matt_yeah my trashbin module wouldn't load into the tastkbar.. what's up with that? I got an error message right from the get go09:25
punkassAnd i cant add it either...I get the same error09:26
punkassmine worked for awhile09:26
punkassbut not anymore09:26
bob2nothing in bugzilla?09:26
WareHajimeTHen i'll give that a try.09:26
WareHajimeThanks matt.09:26
alakdanbob2: ok :) thanks.09:26
Parisibrb09:27
FrozenAimHi, what are the system reguirements for ubuntu...should it work ok on my 333mhz 196 ram...09:27
bob2yes, but slowly09:28
glyphhmm09:28
glyphI think that my earlier problem may have been the result of configuring almost 6G of swap :-\09:28
bob2if you go 6gb deep into swap, you have already lost ;-)09:29
FrozenAimI think I try it first on my 333mhz...09:29
glyphwait a sec09:31
glyphswap isn't factored in by grub09:31
glyphdamnit :-(09:31
punkassbob2: was that a hint? ;)09:31
punkassit doesnt look like its in gnome.bugzilla09:32
bob2punkass: ubuntu's bugzilla09:32
FrozenAimexcuse me but could someone say where can u download *.deb packages?09:32
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punkassoh.09:34
MithrandirFrozenAim: from archive.ubuntu.com09:34
FrozenAimthanks09:35
bob2FrozenAim: you don't normally need to download any .deb packages manually...09:35
FrozenAimok09:36
punkassbob2: where do i find it?09:36
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matt_Could anyone recommend an mp3 encoder?09:36
pastyhermithi all09:36
matt_lame maybe?09:36
bob2FrozenAim: what are you trying to do?09:37
bob2punkass: /topic09:37
pastyhermitI installed ubuntu-ppc on my ibook G4 and the screen just flickers when it tries to go into X09:37
bob2matt_: lame is the best I know of09:37
pastyhermitwhat do I do?09:37
matt_thx bob09:37
FrozenAimnothing...09:37
pastyhermitFrozenAim, ?09:37
punkassbob2: sorry..not sure what u mean09:37
punkassoh  lol09:37
punkasssorry09:38
bob2pastyhermit: it Just Worked for me.09:38
bob2pastyhermit: did you just run a default install?09:38
pastyhermit?09:38
pastyhermitbob2, yeah09:38
pastyhermitIm on the latest 12.1" ibook09:38
bob2so am I09:39
pastyhermitgrrr09:39
pastyhermitpiss me off09:39
matt_do you guys have a dualboot setup? like some osx as well?09:39
bob2matt_:  I did, but I got rid of it since I never used it09:39
FrozenAimHow do u install new software to ubuntu?09:40
bob2pastyhermit: try asking on the ubuntu-users list, hopefully daniel or fabio can help.09:40
bob2FrozenAim: you use "synaptic".09:40
pastyhermithrm09:40
bob2but it worked perfectly for me last week09:40
FrozenAimdoes synaptic come with ubuntu?09:41
bob2FrozenAim: yes.09:41
pastyhermitalright09:41
pastyhermitbob2, where is this list and how do I access it?09:41
matt_Ahh.. ok cool. I think I may buy an ibook this year sometime.. haven't had a laptop yet09:41
bob2pastyhermit: lists.ubuntulinux.org09:42
pastyhermitbob2, cool thanks09:43
pastyhermitbob2, gave me some error09:43
matt_uhoh.. is lame not available through apt-get?09:44
pastyhermitlike no lists or something09:44
matt_Hrmm 09:44
bob2matt_: no, it's not in ubuntu, since the people who claim to hold patents on mp3 encoding are not very friendly09:44
bob2pastyhermit: http://lists.ubuntulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users09:45
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matt_Hmm ok thankyou bob09:45
bob2you can download the source and build it yourself if you like09:45
subterrificor use ogg if you can09:46
bob2even better09:46
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punkassbob2: how do i know who to assign it to (the bug)09:47
Parisiis there any player on ubuntu that plays divx/avi files?09:47
crimsundoesn't totem?09:49
subterrifichah09:49
matt_ahhh I can use ogg09:49
subterrifici'm not sure i've gotten totem to play anything09:49
punkassi sometimes wonder why companies (like divx) will make Max OS X versions but not linux09:49
matt_But should i? there's no control over quality.. I wonder09:49
bob2punkass: I'm not sure.09:49
punkassok09:49
bob2punkass: because they can sell it on mac os09:49
ParisiTotem wont show any image on my lappy.09:49
matt_totem plays mpgs for me.. uhh and that's all I've tried so far lol09:49
ParisiOnly audio.09:49
bob2matt_: vorbis almost always beats mp3 for quality at the same bitrate09:50
punkassbut they have free versions to download for win and mac09:50
Parisiand wheres mplayer :(09:50
Parisior xine09:50
bob2Parisi: ubunutu can't ship it09:50
matt_bob, I know this sounds extremely noobish but how do I reply JUST to you so people don't get confused here?09:50
bob2no distribution can09:50
matt_ahh09:50
matt_I figured it out haha09:50
ParisiNot cool (09:50
bob2matt_: prefix my name09:51
bob2er, nick.09:51
matt_#bob2 testing09:51
matt_err prefix? uhoh09:51
bob2matt_: like this09:51
matt_bob2: like this?09:51
matt_hmm09:52
bob2yes.09:52
matt_that JUSt sent to you? Strange.. xchat doesn't show me the difference when sending.09:52
matt_Thanks09:52
bob2no, it goes to the channel09:52
matt_ahh, but it highlights, now I see09:52
bob2yes.09:53
bob2private messages are something else, and not something you'll be doing with me09:53
matt_bob2: You're my hero, I'm such an irc noob09:53
matt_lol @ bob09:53
bob2hah.09:53
matt_reminds me of that kid.. with the mullet talking about yaahhhoo chat.09:53
steve_bob2: Uhm, any chance you have a URL for the mplayer/xine thing? Is that a stupid patent issue, or a licensing issue?09:54
matt_oh god..09:54
ParisiDO i have any other options besides Totem for player?09:54
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ParisiTotem just plain sucks no offense.09:54
bob2Parisi: anything. mplayer, xine...but you'll have to build them yourself.09:54
ParisiOk, will do.09:54
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bob2or find someone to rebuild marillat's packages for Ubuntu.09:54
ParisiIsnt that on unstable brench apt repository for debian?09:54
Parisistable/unstable09:55
bob2Parisi: no09:55
bob2again, mplayer is not in Debian.09:55
matt_I kindof like how totem has everything built into 1 window.. I know there's gmplayer but it's annoying that it uses 2 seperate windows09:55
ParisiTotem wont even play my Steve Vai MPEG!09:55
ParisiBlasphemy!09:55
matt_ouch..09:55
bob2steve_: mplayer might be able to go into debian soon, and ubuntu might agree then09:55
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bob2steve_: it comes up on debian-legal all the time09:55
steve_bob2: I don't think I have the patience for d-l ;)09:56
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subterrificxine is in universe09:57
subterrificif you enable it09:57
matt_bob2: btw I was aware of ogg's better overall sound at the same size.. it's just too bad I can't change the quality. 09:57
matt_I wonder if it's set at 128..09:57
bob2matt_: eh? of course you can.09:57
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matt_probably be able to tell from the size..09:57
matt_bob2: apparently not through sound-juicer09:57
matt_bob2: which is what rhythmbox uses09:58
matt_not that I should care about that lol.. just convenience I guess09:58
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ParisiAt this point i just wanna play my collection of videos, *sigh*10:01
ParisiIm hopeless.10:01
matt_hmm.. you can't compile mplayer?10:02
ParisiFrom scratch? Why should i have to?10:02
matt_I kindof want it too.. I'll give it a go right now and see if I can get it to work10:02
matt_Who cares?10:02
Parisio_O10:02
MithrandirParisi: because it's not redistributable due to patent issues, and potential other legal issues.10:02
ParisiWhy is it possible to have that under eiher WIN and OSX then?10:03
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subterrificParisi: install gxine10:03
bob2Parisi: As I've said many many times now, there are legal and patent issues.10:03
MithrandirParisi: not everybody cares about legal exposure.  We do.10:03
subterrificits in synaptic if you enable universal10:03
bob2Parisi: windows programs either pay for liscenses or are willing to take the risk.10:03
ParisiIsnt that legal under OSX ?10:03
bob2Parisi: if someone paid for a license, yes.10:03
bob2Parisi: you're welcome to pay MS for a windows media license yourself.10:04
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ParisiI never had any problems playing anything under my old g4 :(10:04
MithrandirParisi: the binary distribution of mplayer under MOSX is probably not legal, no.10:04
QuaD-hey, i have a question, what reasons should i switch from debian to ubuntu?10:04
punkassany word on thunderbird 0.8 and firefox 1.0PR comin to ubuntu?10:05
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MithrandirQuaD-: if you need time based released, for instance, Ubuntu might be better than Debian for you.10:05
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pepsiasdf10:06
QuaD-what do you mean time based release? i use debian unstable and upgrade twice a week10:06
MithrandirQuaD-: ubuntu releases twice a year.10:06
matt_on the exact schedule as gnome... coincidence?10:07
tuo2QuaD-: I also think that if you want security support for recent software (eg stuff that's not in stable), Ubuntu is better10:07
xxorroxx???10:07
QuaD-hmmm10:07
Mithrandirmatt_: I doubt it's a coincidence, as jdub is the gnome RM.10:07
xxorroxx0?010:07
tuo2plus I like the basic security policy. :)10:07
QuaD-do you guys use an apt-get type system10:07
MithrandirQuaD-: yes10:07
MithrandirQuaD-: ubuntu is a snapshot of sid from late june, stabilized and some features added.10:08
punkasshmm is it bad when ifconfig gives you nothing 10:08
punkassmy network is gone..:(10:08
QuaD-hmm, alright10:08
QuaD-so what makes this different then just doing an apt-get upgrade10:09
MithrandirQuaD-: it's a different distributions with a bunch of different goals than Debian.10:09
MithrandirQuaD-: also, if you need a supported AMD64 distribution, ubuntu might be for you.10:09
Parisi*sigh*10:09
ParisiAnyone willing to trade an old ibook for my Sony Lappy ?10:10
ParisiHeh.10:10
QuaD-the AMD64 distro will hopefully be for winter time :)10:10
QuaD-right now normal 32bit intel10:10
ParisiThis is too painful :(10:10
pepsihave any of you had problems with the keyboard on a g4?10:10
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pepsiduring install10:10
QuaD-trying not to seem rude, i am not really seeing the reason to upgrade10:10
mdzpepsi: none here10:10
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cefwoops10:11
pepsiit doesnt recognize keystrokes unless i hold the key down, and then the key sticks10:11
pepsiso i cant type anything10:11
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mdzQuaD-: I'm not sure that you would want to switch from unstable to a stable release, if that's what you like10:12
mdzQuaD-: we'll be opening up our development branch for the next release shortly; maybe that'll catch your eye ;-)10:12
QuaD-:)10:12
pepsimdz, do you have any ideas what might be causing this? it works fine in the bootloader.. :(10:13
mdzpepsi: no, I'm afraid not10:14
mdzI haven't seen anything like that happen10:14
subterrificmdz: do you know who pepsi should talk to about this?10:15
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mdza number of ubuntu developers use powerpc systems, and if any of them had seen the problem, it would be fixed by now :-)10:15
mdzyou can file a bug in bugzilla if you like10:15
pepsiok10:16
mdzthen at least if someone else stumbles across it, they'll find your report10:16
subterrificyou've got a pretty old G4 right pepsi?10:16
Tomcat_pepsi: Checked other distros?10:17
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Tomcat_pepsi: Does Google find anything about it?10:17
elementalwhy are my codepages/local changing in gnome by their self10:17
elementalits freaking me out10:17
pepsiive install gentoo before, although i never set it up10:17
elementalit switches to asian keyboard input .. on random10:17
elementalwtf10:17
elementalin all applications10:17
elementalfirefox/xchat/gaim/everything10:17
elementalenglish ->10:17
elemental???10:17
elemental???10:17
elemental????10:17
elementalhelp10:17
elementalit changes then goes back10:18
glyphhow do I tell ubuntu that my monitor can do better than 640x480@60? :-(10:18
elementalhelp help help10:18
elementalglyph: ??????10:18
elemental??^^10:18
glyphelemental: I have heard good things about its autodetection, I'm just wondering if I have to invoke it10:18
elementalyeah , It is10:18
elementalbut cant10:18
elementalhelp you10:19
elementalmy keyboard is fucked10:19
elementalkeeps going to asian text10:19
elementalweird fucking shit10:19
elementalerr , guess I can10:19
elementalyou have to manually add the modes if it doesnt auto detect10:19
elementaloh yeah10:19
elementalglyph10:19
elementalCONTROL-ALT-(PLUS or Minus) 10:19
elemental??? ? ? ???? ???10:20
elemental?????10:20
elemental???10:20
Tomcat_lol10:20
elemental?10:20
elemental?10:20
glyphelemental: nah, those just change modes.  It's got the sync ranges wrong10:20
Tomcat_If it wasn't so tragic it'd be totally funny. :o10:20
elemental??????????????????????10:20
punkassok how do i get a trash bin on my desktop?10:20
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danielsglyph: what happens if you run 'sudo xresprobe dummy'?10:21
Parisihmm, interesting..10:21
elemental?? ?10:21
elemental????10:21
ParisiKaffeine does play my xvid files, just really slow.10:21
danielsglyph: please /msg me the output of that and 'sudo ddcprobe'10:21
danielselemental: please fix your keyboard or such10:21
Parisiand it was included on apt-get10:21
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elemental??????????????????????10:23
elemental ?? ?????10:23
elemental????????????10:23
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matt_ewww.. kaffeine sucks10:23
Parisiheh10:23
ParisiWorks good on another distro iv used previously.10:24
glyphdaniels: I would if I could get this machine connected to the internet - one step at a time :)10:24
ParisiConectiva if im not mistaken.10:24
punkassbob2: how do i get the trashbin on my desktop?10:24
danielsglyheh10:24
punkassoh hes gone10:24
danielselemental: please correct your keybaoard or something, it's becoming quite disruptive10:24
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lementalugh10:24
lementalwtf10:25
lementalis up10:25
lementalwith gnome 2.810:25
lementalor x10:25
lementalor whatever10:25
wobinprinter testpage says 'ximian desktop'10:25
lementalmy codepages/locale are changing on their own10:25
punkassdaniels do you know how to get the trashbin back on the desktop10:25
lementalwobin: they contribute code to gnome10:25
danielspunkass: not sure, sorry10:25
Mithrandirwobin: we know about it, it might be fixed for final.10:25
punkassok10:25
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lementalplease help me someone10:25
crabboxhas anyone got integrated wifi chip to work after installation ? I got dell inspiron 4150 and wifi is not working ...10:25
lementalmy keyboard input is changing to asian stuff10:25
lementalrandomly10:25
wobinlemental: i know, just mentioning it :)10:26
lementalhow do I shut it off10:26
punkassi got it working with a dell D60010:26
lementalPLEASE help10:26
elemental???10:26
elemental???10:26
Parisiugh!10:26
crabboxpunkass: what chip do you have ?10:26
ParisiThis is non sense.10:26
punkassumm broadcom10:26
lementalParisi: its not my fault .. theres a bug10:26
Parisibrb, i have to reboot.10:26
glyphdaniels: there's a lot of output to copy and paste, but I can tell you it looks sane - it gives me the right list of modes with xresprobe, and the right list of ranges / modes / identifiers with ddcprobe10:26
danielslemental: if you file a bug in our bugzilla (http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com), we can probably work it out, but debugging it over irc is difficult, and i don't think there's anyone here with the requisite knowledge10:27
lementaldaniels10:27
lementalwtff10:27
danielsglyph: hm. what resolutions does xresprobe spit out? looks like a bug in the xfree86<->xresprobe interaction10:27
lementalIm suppose to just use X ?10:27
lementalerr10:27
lementalconsole10:27
lementalno way10:27
thompunkass: Applications/System Tools/Configuration Editor; go to apps/nautilus/desktop and flick trash_icon_visible to true10:27
lementalonly reason I installed this crap is for gnome 2.810:27
punkasscrabbox: broadcom: BCM94306 10:27
danielsglyph: if you could please /msg me a list of the resolutions you get, that would be great, thanks10:27
lementalit just changes to asian text on the fly10:27
lementalb. s !10:27
punkassthom: thanks10:27
glyphdaniels: okay, urm10:27
crabboxcardctl ident will show it but the gnome network admin does not see it10:27
lementalpango == internationalization ?10:27
glyphI must not have my ethernet driver loaded10:28
subterrificis there any chance alsa drivers will be upgraded soon?10:28
lementalnobody here has a clue ?10:28
thomlemental: seriously, you've not given us enough information - gnome really doesn't just change locales on the fly for fun10:29
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subterrificapparently ubuntu ships alsa 1.0.4 and version 1.0.5 has support for my card :(10:29
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thomlemental: did it used to work correctly? did you change anything and then it started changing to asian?10:30
mdzsubterrific: which kernel release includes alsa 1.0.5?10:31
matt_well, I'm trying to watch a dvd now with gxine.. installed libdvdnav4 as well.. but keep getting the error "can't read NAV packet"10:31
matt_any ideas?10:31
lementalthom: I didnt change anything10:33
lementalthom: its possessed10:33
lementalthom: I even tried loading gnome as different users .. and in 'failsafe gnome' mode , which loads DEFAULT gnome10:34
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lementalthom: its a system issue , a bug .. and it came from nowhere , like a virus .. its driving me nuts10:34
subterrificmdz: it looks like 2.6.7 included ALSA 1.0.5 patches10:35
subterrificmdz: and alsa 1.0.6a is the latest stable: http://lwn.net/Articles/98208/10:35
mdzsubterrific: ubuntu has 2.6.8.110:35
lementalthom: I'll issue bug reports , when/if I can even load firefox .... grrr10:35
subterrificmdz: http://lwn.net/Articles/87390/10:35
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crabboxsame goes to my soundcard... not working even it is intel8x010:36
lementalIm about to uninstall this shit10:36
thomlemental: what does Computer/Desktop Preferences/Keyboard/Layout say you have?10:36
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lementalI just installed blackbox , and it doesnt show up as a choice under gdm ....10:36
subterrificmdz: well i guess Linus didn't actually put the patches in Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.4 is what /proc/asound/version says10:37
thomcrabbox: fire up a terminal, run alsamixer, see if your sound card is detected and unmuted?10:37
punkasscrabbox10:37
punkassyou might have the same problem as me10:38
crabboxno go with alsamixer10:38
crabboxno such device10:38
punkassit took me most of the day to figure out10:38
punkasswanna know what it is?10:38
crabboxplease impress me :-)10:38
punkasslol10:38
punkassits a irc confict10:38
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punkassconflict*10:38
crabboxwhat the f*ck ?10:39
punkassgo into the dell bios and turn off your lpt port10:39
punkassand all should be well10:39
subterrificcrabbox: my other machine with intel8x0 works, but it doesn't do hardware or software mixing...whenever two things play a sound the second one gets queued up until the first sound finished :(10:39
crabboxjust a moment ...10:39
punkassit gave me my sound and wireless back10:39
crabboxif this works I do hope that it will be fixed during some update for the ubuntu...10:40
punkasssubterrific: can u add a .asoundrc file to get software mixing10:40
thomthere's a bug open about it already10:40
crabboxthat is good10:40
punkassi just use one from the dmix site and it works good10:41
thomcrabbox/punkass: Ubuntu #125410:41
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damien_what is the package name for the kernel source ?10:43
thomdamien_: apt-cache search linux-source10:44
punkassthom..thanks..i just disabled it in the bios..since i know no parrallel printer is going to be attached to this machine10:44
punkassi guess i could have just takin lp out of /etc/modules too10:44
matt_arg can anyone play dvds?10:44
thomsure. it'd be nice to fix it properly tho :-)10:44
punkassyeah10:44
crabboxcheers mates ! now it works !10:45
damien_thom: cheers.. I'm new to debian :)10:45
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punkasscrabbox: good to hear10:45
MacPlusG3matt_: there are many legal issues with that - the guys are looking into it10:45
alakdanbob2: thanks a lot for the help, I can now access the internet via wifi :)10:46
crabboxI am a long time linux user but still those things just make me mad... hardware faults and software problems... got no time to debug10:47
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az[a] zelits the same on OS X... ive been trying to get a DWL-122 USB wireless key working, but the Mac drivers are horrendous10:47
az[a] zelinterestingly, the device works perfectly under linux10:48
az[a] zelbut I don't really have enough hard drive on my ibook to install linux... maybe if I could get a live CD10:48
setakhtprism drivers > *10:48
punkassmatt_: yes i can10:48
MacPlusG3az[a] zel: once you get used to linux on ibook, you won't go back to OS X :)10:49
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az[a] zelMacPlusG3: I dunno.. I'm pretty impressed with OS X :) I run linux on my desktop anyway10:49
az[a] zelwell I'm running ubuntu for AMD64 at the moment10:49
MacPlusG3az[a] zel: yeah.. it's a not bad proprietry unix.10:50
MacPlusG3az[a] zel: but things like evo really make the switch worthwhile10:50
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MacPlusG3az[a] zel: that and the fact it doesn't cost you $200 every year for an OS upgrade10:50
az[a] zelMacPlusG3: yeah evolution is a nice mail client, for sure...10:51
crabboxsee ya later10:51
MacPlusG3az[a] zel: and multisync will sync contacts and calender between machines.10:51
MacPlusG3az[a] zel: it's also faster (linux)10:51
az[a] zelMacPlusG3: yeah I'm a bit worried about the $200 upgrades, as a lot of people don't like supporting older versions of OS X.. I see a lot of places that say "works only on 10.3".. soo10:51
MacPlusG3az[a] zel: yeap10:51
QtonWhen I try to install Ubuntu it gets stuck in "Scanning CD-Rom" just after the boot screen. Any idea why?10:52
MacPlusG3az[a] zel: same with 10.0->10.1 and 10.1->10.210:52
az[a] zelMacPlusG3: the only real reason for me to run OS X, is so my g/f can run Office.. and also, the glitzy openGL stuff tends to impress people :)10:52
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az[a] zelMacPlusG3: and sleeping works, and Airport Express works, etc..10:52
MacPlusG3az[a] zel: i keep giving OO.org to ppl and they're real happy. 10:53
MacPlusG3az[a] zel: those two are a bit of a problem10:53
MacPlusG3az[a] zel: i solved it with a pcmcia wifi card10:53
MacPlusG3az[a] zel: but on the ibook you have to go usb10:53
az[a] zelMacPlusG3: I've tried getting people to use OO.o.. but the problem is, my university wont support it, and exporting to .doc has problems10:53
MacPlusG3az[a] zel: that's something that needs to change (the uni)10:54
MacPlusG3az[a] zel: you can also run OSX from within linux with Mac-On-Linux10:54
punkasshmm with this dell D600 if i close the lit and open it again..all i have left is flashing cursor10:55
elementalat full speed ?10:55
az[a] zelMacPlusG3: yeah I know, that's cool... it'd be nice to have a compatibility layer so you can run individual OS X apps on Linux.. like how FreeBSD has Linux binary compatibility10:55
az[a] zelMacPlusG3: NetBSD has a project for OS X binary compatibility10:55
MacPlusG3az[a] zel: the big problem there would be the graphics layer... it's not X.10:55
az[a] zelMacPlusG3: yeah, true... would need a layer to translate drawing calls to the X11 interface10:56
elementalI prefer just having open source apps and the code to look at10:57
elementalinstead of emulating or running ports10:57
Lodurielinsn't it the purpose of GNUstep to have compatibility with OSX?10:57
Loduriel*one* purpose10:58
elemental???10:58
az[a] zelthey're not implementing cocoa AFAIK, or quartz even.. 10:59
subterrificLoduriel: don't think that has even been a GNUStep goal10:59
Lodurielat least GNUstep apps are working in OSX with the same code10:59
subterrificGNUStep's goal is to implement a free version of the OpenStep spec. GNUStep has been around a lot longer than OS X10:59
az[a] zelthat's the whole underyling /Application /System/Libary/Frameworks sort of thing eh?11:00
az[a] zeland the .app directories ?11:00
subterrificno11:00
az[a] zelok, I don't know what OpenStep/NextStep is then :)11:01
subterrificOpenStep is a framework for building applications in Objective-C11:01
subterrifican API11:01
subterrificvery similar to Java or .NET11:01
MacPlusG3but compiled natively - so faster11:01
MacPlusG3but lots of dynamic features in the language11:02
Lodurielso... since OSX use this API, GNUstep apps can run in OSX, right?11:02
MacPlusG3and you can build an Obj-C gui part to a C/C++ app11:02
subterrificLoduriel: right, Cocoa is based on OpenStep11:02
MacPlusG3Loduriel: well... at least with minimal modification11:02
MacPlusG3Loduriel: or using the gnustep libs11:02
Lodurielok but the contrary is wrong11:03
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MacPlusG3Loduriel: just trickier :)11:03
LodurielMacPlusG3, subterrific: ok11:03
subterrificGNUStep is to Cocoa as Mono is to .NET11:03
subterrificvery rough way of thinking about it11:03
elementalanyone have their xchat/gnome-term/firefox/gaim all go nuts and switch to asian fonts11:03
subterrificif that helps11:03
elementalany idea on how to install all fonts besides english ?11:04
elementalinstall/uninstall11:04
subterrificelemental: someone else just mentioned that problem11:04
elementalit was me11:04
subterrificoh11:04
elementallemental/elemental11:04
elementallemental == console bitchx11:05
Lodurielsubterrific, i understand better now, thx11:05
elementalbut for some reason xchat isnt acting up11:05
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elemental???????????11:05
elemental??11:05
az[a] zelwtf, apt-get says it installed gcc, but it didn't.. and when I try again, it says it's already installed11:05
az[a] zelit couldn't read the cd because the cdrom wasn't mounted11:06
az[a] zelor maybe I can't find where gcc is11:06
az[a] zeloh it is installed.. there just isn't a gcc link11:06
az[a] zelshould I manually add a gcc symlink in /usr/bin or is there some more elegant "debian like" way of setting up the default gcc compiler?11:07
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elementalugh11:08
az[a] zelif you want to build stuff, should you install dpkg-dev ?11:09
az[a] zelI just installed gcc-3.3, is that enough?11:09
elementalyou need to install autoconf/make/gcc/etc11:10
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elementalwhat are you trying to build11:12
|Gaaruto|can i use debian package with my ubuntu ?11:12
elementalsorry .. xchat is on crack , keeps switching fonts to asian11:12
az[a] zelhmmm, trying to get NVIDIA drivers to install.. not working11:12
elemental|Gaaruto|, its called 'universe'11:12
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elementalaz[z] zel: this dist is really starting to get on my nerves honestly .. 11:13
elemental???????????11:13
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elemental??11:13
elemental????11:13
elemental ??11:13
cefaz[a] zel: are you installing the restricted packages or are you trying to install the binaries off the nvidia site?11:14
az[a] zelcef: binaries off the nvidia site11:15
az[a] zelam I supposed to just install packages? :)11:15
cefahh.. there are precompiled binaries for nvidia in package form11:15
az[a] zeloh ok!!11:15
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cefthink it's the 'linux-restricted' package.. can't remember off the top of my head11:16
az[a] zelgettng em now11:16
az[a] zelnvidia-kernel-common11:16
cefstill then need to reconfigure X manually11:16
az[a] zelwish I had've known that in the first place11:16
az[a] zelyeah that's easy11:16
cefheh11:16
jdublinux-restricted-modules...11:16
jdubchoose the one for your kernel11:16
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jduband nvidia-glx11:16
az[a] zelhmm, i'm downloading nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-settings, is this bad?11:17
QtonIm having trouble installing Ubuntu. It gets stuck after the initial boot screen while trying to scan the CD-Rom. Probably checking for file integrity? Does anyone have an idea whats wrong with it?11:17
cefI really should actually install the nvidia drivers instead of just using the nv driver11:17
ElixI saw on the Ubuntu wiki (http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog_2fusplash) some discussion about including a cool graphical bootloader and startup (a la bootsplash). Does anyone know if I should expect this soon, or if I should just go about configuring it myself? 11:18
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jdubElix: it'll turn up in the development branch soon after it opens11:18
Elixjdub: Great, thanks!11:19
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az[a] zelhmm, I installed nvidia-kernel-common, but there's no nvidia kernel module installed11:22
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cefaz[a] zel: 11:23
cefaz[a] zel: look at the 'linux-restricted-modules' package that matches your kernel11:24
jdubaz[a] zel: it's linux-restricted-modules11:24
jdubaz[a] zel: apt-cache search for that, and choose the one that suits your kernel11:24
SeTh_thE_SinNeRhey all11:24
SeTh_thE_SinNeRcan someone tell me where to file a bug report ?11:25
Tritoch|Lisnt the module already in the kernel, try to load it with modprobe nvidia11:25
cefSeTh_thE_SinNeR: look at the bugzilla line in the topic11:25
cefjdub: we need an infobot, damnit!11:26
SeTh_thE_SinNeRindeed11:26
SeTh_thE_SinNeRlol11:26
az[a] zeljdub: cant find that package11:26
az[a] zeljdub: is the source for that setup by default?11:26
jdubaz[a] zel: type,11:27
az[a] zelrestricted sources are definitely in my apt-get source list11:27
jdubapt-cache search linux-restricted-modules11:27
jdubthat will list the pacakges available11:27
az[a] zeljdub: that returns nothing11:27
jdubapt-get update and try again?11:28
az[a] zeljust did that11:28
jdubcef: i think we do, yeah11:28
az[a] zelseriously, in my sources, there is no linux-restricted-modules11:28
jdub$ apt-cache search linux-restricted11:29
jdublinux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-2-386 - Non-free Linux 2.6.8.1 modules on 38611:29
jdublinux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-2-686 - Non-free Linux 2.6.8.1 modules on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV11:29
jdublinux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-2-686-smp - Non-free Linux 2.6.8.1 modules on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV SMP11:29
jdublinux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-2-k7 - Non-free Linux 2.6.8.1 modules on AMD K7linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-2-k7-smp - Non-free Linux 2.6.8.1 modules on AMD K7 SMP11:29
jdub11:29
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Tritoch|Laz[a] zel, have you tried modprobe nvidia, that was all i had to to after installing the nvidia files11:30
az[a] zeljdub: am I supposed to enable the "universe" source in /etc/apt/sources.list ?11:30
az[a] zelTritoch|L: nah there is no nvidia module11:30
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jdubno, just restricted11:30
Tritoch|Lwell that and add it in the /etc/modules file11:30
az[a] zelwell it's there, and I'm not seeing those modules11:30
jdubthat is very bong11:30
ElixWhile I'm here, I'm trying to get my Palm Zire 21 to work with gnome-pilot via USB, but I'm having a tough time figuring out which device ("Port") to tell it to use (or to symlink /dev/pilot to). I'm not a complete newb, but I am fairly new at configuring Linux... 11:31
azeemElix: it's ususally /dev/ttyUSB0 or /dev/ttyUSB111:32
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jdubElix: /dev/ttyUSB0 most likely11:32
Mitariohello everyone11:32
azeemElix: best to check /var/log/syslog or something and see what device gets detected11:32
Elixjdub: Hrmmm... I don't have either of those devices, unfortunately.11:32
jdubMitario! DUDE!11:32
az[a] zeljdub: is it because I'm running AMD64 ?11:32
azeemElix: they get created on demand11:32
jdubMitario: we've been trying to get in touch with you11:32
Elixazeem: Ah, cool. Thanks, I'll try that.11:32
az[a] zeljdub: nobody has compiled an nvidia module for the AMD64 kernel?11:32
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Mitariojdub, haha, yeah i know :)11:33
jdubMitario: we've got trashapplet patches, and we're using it by default! :)11:33
jdubaz[a] zel: hrm, might not be uploaded yet11:33
Mitariojdub, yeah i saw, that's really great! thanks :)11:33
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will``wwot11:33
jdubMitario: nice to see you here :)11:33
Mitariojdub, thanks :)11:33
will``i got ubuuntu to work finally11:33
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Mitariojdub, pathces will go upstream as soon as trashapplet is in gnome cvs and is in bugzilla11:34
jdubMitario: awesome11:34
jdubMitario: should be able to get it into 2.10, too :-)11:34
Mitariojdub, jep :)11:34
az[a] zelMitario: any ETA on getting the nvidia kernel module for AMD64 into the repository?11:34
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Mitariojdub, i've already talked to davyd about that, so everthing is settled11:34
jdubawesome11:34
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Mitarioaz[a] zel, i'm sorry i wouldn't know :)11:35
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az[a] zeloh well, I'll just use the nv driver for the time being11:36
elementalaz11:36
elementalyou get it to compile ?11:36
jdubaz[a] zel: not sure, but i know fabio, mdz and daniels were looking at it11:37
az[a] zelelemental: nah, I was hoping to install the package, but it doesn't appear to be available for AMD64 yet11:37
elementaljdub: any idea why gtk2/gnome stuff is changing fonts of asian stuff , and how I?? ?????11:37
elemental??????11:37
elemental???11:37
elemental?? ??  11:37
jdubno11:37
elemental??11:37
elemental ? ????????11:37
subterrifici think his font changed ;)11:38
jdubheh11:38
jdubhrm :)11:38
azeemthat's bash.org material I guess :)11:38
subterrifictotally11:38
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elementalugh11:40
cefelemental: bad timing11:40
elementallame++11:40
elementalhave to use ksirc11:40
elementalgnome/gtk2 are screwed up11:40
elementalbad timing ? why11:40
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cef<elemental> jdub: any idea why gtk2/gnome stuff is changing fonts of asian stuff , and how I?? ?????11:40
Mitariojdub, ok, davyd agreed to put it in :)11:40
Mitariohttp://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15292811:40
elementalcef: those question marks are asian crap11:40
elementalgnome/gtk2 apps are screwed up ++11:41
martink"Ubuntu includes the very best in translations"? hah, your web browser doesn't even speak my language ;-)11:41
cefelemental: yes, that's why i said 'bad timing'11:41
jdubmartink: ;)11:41
elementalcef: why , he answer the problem ?11:41
cefelemental: the problem..11:41
jdubMitario: hrm11:41
elementalI want to remove all fucking languages beyond english , before my head explodes11:41
jdubMitario: i wonder if it wouldn't be better in nautilus itself?11:41
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elementalit changes fonts to asian , after a few minutes of working normally (gnome/xchat/ anythin gtk2 , gaim , firefox , whatever)11:42
elementalit worked fine for a few days11:42
elementalthen this  starts11:42
az[a] zel_ubuntuno nvidia-glx package in the repository yet either11:42
elementalkde is ok , beyond being UGLY++11:42
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az[a] zel_ubuntuI think KDE looks good11:42
elementalits ugly trust me11:43
az[a] zel_ubuntuI think gnome is getting better.. but I've always found it to be pretty ugly.. it's very drab (browns and stuff everywhere)11:43
Mitariojdub, hmm, maybe so... but it's just an applet, and i don't know if the nautilus maintainers are prepared to put it in nautilus11:43
elementalthe icons and themes are not even comparable to kde , kde is geeky++11:43
Mitariojdub, i could start a discussion on one of the lists tho11:43
cefaz[a] zel_ubuntu: too 'quakey' eh?11:43
Mitariojdub, but i think i want to put it in gnome-applets for now, just for the time beeing11:44
az[a] zel_ubuntuI like bright colours.. like the OS X icons11:44
subterrificaz[a] zel_ubuntu: with gnome you have tons of themes to pick from. bluecurve isn't brown at all for example11:44
jdubMitario: i just commented on the bug11:44
elementalaz[a] zel_ubuntu: all the kde logos are fugly =]  11:44
subterrificwith kde you're pretty much stuck with plastik...11:44
jdubaz[a] zel_ubuntu: seen the Human icon theme in ubuntu?11:45
elementalsubterrific: nothing in gnome is brown , hes on something =]  hehe11:45
Mitariojdub, ok, yea i just saw, hmm, maybe wait for davyd's reaction..11:45
az[a] zel_ubuntujdub, not yet11:45
az[a] zel_ubuntujdub, oh I'm running it now11:45
jdubaz[a] zel_ubuntu: tiny sample of what's to come11:45
jdubaz[a] zel_ubuntu: you're running the Human theme, but not the Human icon theme11:45
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elementaljdub: speaking of ubuntu issues , you know why I cant load gnome/any gtk2 app , because after a few minutes it gets possessed and changes to asian fonts on keyboard input (not output)11:45
pittiMorning11:45
jdubelemental: no, i don't know11:46
jdubelemental: what applets are on your panel?11:46
jdubhey pitti 11:46
elementaljdub: I really dont know how to file the bug report ..I dont know whats causing the problem11:46
elementaljdub: nothing but default stuff11:46
elementaljdub: im in KDE cause I cant even use gnome anymore .. its possessed11:46
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elementalafter a few minutes in xchat , gaim , firefox , whatever .. when I type it goes to chinese/or something11:47
az[a] zel_ubuntuok I just switched to the human icon theme.. hmm.. doesn't do it for me yet.. I don't like the folder icons.. bright yellow, yikes11:47
subterrificelemental: when you go to Keyboard Preferences, does the Selected layout change?11:47
elementaljdub: Ive been running linux 10+ years , code c/c++/perl , no idea wtf is going on11:47
elementalsubterrific: everything says english11:47
elementalI double checked every tool ...11:47
elementaleverything is normal11:47
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elementalI loaded 'failsafe gnome'11:48
elementalstill does the asian fonts after awhile of being normal11:48
elementalfailsafe gnome is default gnome .. no setup scripts .. etc11:48
elementalso , that should always work normally11:48
elementalyet11:48
elementalit doesnt11:48
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subterrificits only gtk apps?11:49
Ass_on_FireCan anybody help me find the nvidia-glx package? I don't know where to find it.11:49
elementalyeah11:49
elementalkde works fine11:49
elementalconsole works fine11:49
elementalonly gtk2 apps acutally11:49
Ass_on_FireCan i use the nvidia-glx package form debian.org ??11:49
elementalgtk1.2 stuff works fine11:49
jdubAss_on_Fire: nvidia-glx is in restricted11:49
elementaland kde on ubuntu , pops up errors every 10 seconds .. hehe11:50
elementalso and so crashed11:50
elementaletc11:50
Ass_on_Firein restricted ??11:50
elemental"unknown - The KDE  Crash Handler"11:50
SeTh_thE_SinNeRdoes powervr.src.rpm works fine on ubuntu ?11:50
subterrificwtf11:50
ElixStill not having luck with Pilot. I have 6 USB ports and I'm using a USB mouse. Are the ttyUSB# ports assigned in order, whenever they're requested, or does each specific port get the same number? According to lsusb, my mouse is on Bus 002 Device 003, and my palm is on Bus 001, Device 007. Should it still be using ttyUSB0 or ttyUSB1? Thanks.11:51
elementalnothing goes down .. k3b loads that kde crash handler thing all the time , so does konsole11:51
elementalbut , the actual apps dont  crash11:51
elementalI know its preview but damn11:51
elementalhehe11:51
elementalbout to change back .. cant deal with all this crap11:51
elementalgnome 2.8 isnt worth it .. I can build it from source11:52
jdubelemental: haven't seen this anywhere else11:52
jdubno one else has reported it11:52
SeTh_thE_SinNeRone thing11:52
elementaljdub: its VERY strange11:52
Elix(Well I for one have been very much enjoying Ubuntu, and have been recommending it to friends. A few crashes, sure, but it sure is slick, easy, and powerful!)11:53
elementaljdub: I did use universe ,and install a TON of stuff11:53
jdubelemental: uh huh...11:53
SeTh_thE_SinNeRwhy does ubuntu says i don't have the permissions to access /mnt/win (mounted windows partition)11:53
SeTh_thE_SinNeR?11:53
jdubSeTh_thE_SinNeR: most likely because it's mounted for a different user11:53
jdubSeTh_thE_SinNeR: have a look at the permissions on the files in the mounted partition11:54
SeTh_thE_SinNeRhm hmm11:54
SeTh_thE_SinNeRand can i change the permission for the whole folder ?11:55
jdubyou'd have to mount it differently11:55
SeTh_thE_SinNeRok w811:55
SeTh_thE_SinNeRchown11:55
jdubno, no11:55
jdubdoesn't work like that for non-*nix disks11:55
SeTh_thE_SinNeRno?11:55
jdubyou actually have to put the user it should be owned by in fstab11:55
jdubor make it mountable by users11:56
jduband then mount it yourself11:56
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SeTh_thE_SinNeRok at fstab i know how to11:56
elementaljdub: whos the lead developer11:56
skel_hello11:56
SeTh_thE_SinNeRbut wont it be mounted auto at boot ?11:56
jdubelemental: mdz's the distro group lead11:58
az[a] zel_ubuntuis there any DVD burning software?11:58
SeTh_thE_SinNeRbtw how can i make it mountable by normal users ready to be read/writen11:58
jdubaz[a] zel_ubuntu: nautilus-cd-burner works with dvds11:58
jdubSeTh_thE_SinNeR: add 'user' to the fstab line11:58
jdubSeTh_thE_SinNeR: then your user can mount it11:58
jdubSeTh_thE_SinNeR: and all the permissions will be right11:59
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jdub(from memory)11:59
SeTh_thE_SinNeRhmm ok11:59
az[a] zel_ubuntujdub, isn't growisofs needed for burning DVD's ?11:59
jdubaz[a] zel_ubuntu: we have dvd+rw-tools11:59
subterrificaz[a] zel_ubuntu: nautilus-cd-burner is a front end for growisofs11:59
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az[a] zel_ubuntujdub, oh ok12:00
jdubaz[a] zel_ubuntu: which includes growisofs12:00
az[a] zel_ubuntusupported out of the box then :)12:00
azeemwhat's wrong with the list archives of -users? Threads seem to be messed up all over the place12:00
jdubyes :)12:00
jdubazeem: oh?12:00
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azeemor are people really just replying to further posts?12:01
werewolfHi all, I just installed a restricted version of gnome in ubuntu, but I have thi error: "Enable to acquire monitor of the Trash dir"12:01
azeemwith a new subject12:01
elementalmdz is skilled++ , he works on myth too 12:01
cefazeem: welcome to the internet..12:01
jdubazeem: oh, right, pipermail only does threads to a certain level12:01
jdubazeem: and some posters have been breaking threads12:01
azeemeugenia.12:02
jdub:)12:02
azeemyeah, looking at it again, it does not look so bad as I remembered from last night12:02
ElixSigh... I'm getting confused. Each time I press the sync button on my Palm, the Device number listed by lsusb gets incremented by one... Does that device number have anything to do with the device name in /dev? I've created ttyUSB2 through 10 (using "mknod /dev/ttyUSB10 c 188 3", "chown root:dialout /dev/ttyUSB*"), though they don't magically disappear like ttyUSB0 and 1...12:03
azeemjdub: don't use daniels as your background singer. He'll probably "back your punchlines" and shout every second word you say again to give it more weigth12:04
ajmitchheh12:04
jdubazeem: man, daniels brings on the bling-bling12:05
daniels(represent)12:05
elementalhow hard is it to make a standardized package system , self extracting to PATH , static binaries12:05
azeemElix: yeah I noticed this, too, at the time it was not working correclty12:05
elementalwould just work12:06
elemental:P12:06
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az[a] zel_ubuntuare there 32bit libraries for GTK 2.0 in the repository ?12:06
az[a] zel_ubuntu(amd64 repository)12:06
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az[a] zel_ubuntucan't install, e.g. realplayer without 32bit compatibility12:07
Elixazeem: So... there's a problem in the Preview Release? Well, I guess that definitely makes me feel like less of an idiot ;-)12:07
azeemElix: no12:07
az[a] zel_ubuntuwhoops, I do have gtk2 32bit, just the realplayer installer cant see it12:07
azeemElix: I had this problem last week with my mum's Tungsten E on Debian sarge12:07
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danielstuo2: bling is love12:08
Elixazeem: Any luck solving the problem, or is it an issue with the Palm itself (perhaps Palm OS5?)12:08
azeemElix: it just means that your system still thinks your Palm is connected while you start another connection12:08
tuo2daniels: bling hates me. I'm too indie for bling. 12:08
danielsahr12:09
Ass_on_FireCan someone give me an _exact_ location for nvidia-glx?12:09
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|Q|howdy12:09
danielsi should get a massive multi-finger gold ring that says 'ubuntu'12:09
SeTh_thE_SinNeRYou do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "icybox".12:10
cefdaniels: you're home I take it? I've still got some bling for you to take over when you visit fabbione, remember?12:10
SeTh_thE_SinNeRdamn!!12:10
danielscef: bling! ;)12:10
SeTh_thE_SinNeRis there a "rehash" like in bsd ?12:10
danielscef: i'm home, but just about to run out for the night, sadly12:10
cefdaniels: ahh fair enuff12:10
cefdaniels: then tomorrow sometime12:10
danielsSeTh_thE_SinNeR: yeah, it's called 'rehash'12:10
danielscef: sounds good, cheers :)12:10
scarooSeTh_thE_SinNeR, bash doesnt need to bo rehashed12:11
Elixazeem: Ah, I see. That makes sense. So if I just pre-emptively predict what the next number is, do you figure that would work (once I've created ttyUSBn up to n <= 255)? I've never dealt with USB devices before...12:11
azeemno, it should just work for ony device12:11
SeTh_thE_SinNeRscaroo, it's for fstab12:11
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azeemeh, one12:11
scaroooh sorry12:11
tuo2daniels: There's a marketing idea if I've ever heard one. 12:11
Elixazeem: so, it should be working using ttyUSB0 or 1?12:11
tuo2ubuntu: word to all of your mothers.12:12
cefhrm, wodner if there is a way to tell udev to assume it's always the same device12:12
SeTh_thE_SinNeRdaniels, lol12:12
khalekSeTh_thE_SinNeR: rehash is a csh thing12:12
cefwonder even. my finders are too fast for each other12:12
cefargh! fingers.. they're drunk too methinks12:12
cefhrm, I have port, and I've had a very very long week.. hrmmmm12:13
SeTh_thE_SinNeRhmm yes12:13
Ass_on_FireNobody else needs to install nvidia drivers i see? :(12:13
jdubAss_on_Fire: it's in restricted12:13
SeTh_thE_SinNeRbut appending things to fstab12:13
jdubif you have that in your sources.list12:13
CardadorAss_on_Fire, i've installed them12:13
SeTh_thE_SinNeRdoesn't need a rehash to the sys ?12:13
khalekcef: and a sore head tomorrow morning :)12:14
Ass_on_FireYes. But were do i find this "restricted" dir/address12:14
scarooseth : mount -a ?12:14
jdubyou should be able to install it12:14
jdubAss_on_Fire: it's a default entry in sources.list12:14
jdubSeTh_thE_SinNeR: no12:14
CardadorAss_on_Fire, edit your repository with synaptic12:14
Cardadoryou just have to check the boxes for all the lines12:14
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tuo2khalek: sore heads are the best. I love them.12:15
SeTh_thE_SinNeRso why does this continues to say i don't have the permission ?12:15
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SeTh_thE_SinNeRYou do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "icybox".12:15
Keybukhttp://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrnckjnh0.4no.jsiltala%40marvin.mosa.homelinux.org12:15
Keybuk^ <g>12:15
elementalok , question .. why am I getting a KRASH report on EVERY kde app I close12:16
elemental"KDE crash Handler"12:17
scaroowoooow ! gnome-bluetooth is gooooooooooooooooooooooooood :) is there any plan to integrate it with gvm ?12:17
Ass_on_FireYes! Found it, thx :)12:17
jdubscaroo: with gvm?12:17
jdubscaroo: how so?12:17
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grzesieqhi12:18
grzesieqanyone got ubuntu working on a powerbook?12:19
scaroojdub, like conciderieng my device (eg. my phone) as a volume, in wich i could copy/paste/create files12:19
jduboh right12:19
jdubi think you can only do that with certain bluetooth devices12:19
jdubbut that'd be cool12:19
jdubwhen in range, you'd get a disk icon ;)12:20
scarooyes, that s it !12:20
hypatiaShould popularity-contest ask me questions when I upgrade? (It was installed by default, I presume?)12:20
jdubhypatia: ideally, no12:20
hypatiajdub: bug worthy?12:20
jdubhypatia: yeah, i'd say so12:21
jdubmatt only just changed it12:21
MacPlusG3scaroo: but you can send and receive items from bluetooth phones.12:21
MacPlusG3scaroo: and on a powerbook too (with built in bluetooth)12:21
elementalits like I'm invisible12:21
elementalhehe12:21
MacPlusG3scaroo: gnome-bluetooth is the package you should look at. you'll also need the bluez stuff - including the firmware12:21
jdubMacPlusG3: he's already doing that, had a different idea12:21
MacPlusG3jdub: ahh...12:21
jdubi have a repo of edd's bluetooth foo up12:22
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MacPlusG3scaroo,jdub: i think the sony ericsson CD comes with stuff that does something similar - but for windows. i.e. it should be possible :)12:22
rootb0yhas anyone tried shipit.ubuntulinux.org?12:22
jdubrootb0y: yeah12:23
rootb0yI'd like to know how "free beer" it is12:23
grzesieqMacPlusG3: I presume you have an apple computer?12:23
jdubrootb0y: we'll ship you cds around the end of october.12:23
hypatiafiled12:23
MacPlusG3grzesieq: yes.. running linux12:23
jdubrootb0y: free beer, even the bubbles12:23
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azeemKeybuk: that post implies that ubuntu is a snapshot of sid at the point of release12:23
grzesieqMacPlusG3: Do you use airport extreme?12:23
hypatiathe right question to ask is "what kind of beer?"12:23
MacPlusG3grzesieq: no - it's not supported12:23
rootb0yno shipping costs or anything?12:23
MacPlusG3grzesieq: under linux12:23
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jdubrootb0y: no12:23
rootb0ycool12:24
azeemKeybuk: when do you guys freeze the upstream stuff for != GNOME?12:24
MacPlusG3jdub: gather there's some way to get a stack of CDs for the LUV crowd?12:24
jdubMacPlusG3: shipit.ubuntulinux.org...12:24
grzesieqMacPlusG3: i was hoping it would work on 'generic' driver or something..12:24
khalekhypatia: scared you'll end up with fosters or something?12:24
jdubazeem: wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog/ReleaseSchedule12:24
scaroojdub, funny business to ship at its own 12:24
MacPlusG3jdub: so not ready for the ubuntu talk?12:24
grzesieqMacPlusG3: 'cause how good is a laptop without WiFi? ;-)12:24
jdubMacPlusG3: no12:25
azeembah, gnome-terminal does not consider that a link :)12:25
hypatiakhalek: I dislike most beer, so I'm just looking out for the masses.12:25
jdubMacPlusG3: but i'll have ISOs of a recent daily with me12:25
Ass_on_FireI still need to uncomment the Load "GLCore" and Load "dri" in the XF86Config file. Right ?12:25
MacPlusG3grzesieq: it's a broadcom chipset - and they're being assholes with it. there are binary only wrapper stuff for x86 (useless on ppc). or binary only Darwin(OSX) drivers12:25
grzesieqMacPlusG3: any attempts on reverse engineering or whatever it's called?12:26
MacPlusG3jdub: cool - number of ppl have already been playing - but there's interest, so a bunch of CDs on the night could do quite well.12:26
azeemabout halfway through, then12:26
MacPlusG3grzesieq: everyone just uses PCMCIA/usb cards12:26
MacPlusG3grzesieq: considering they're $70AUD or less these days...12:26
MacPlusG3grzesieq: it's cheaper than AE :)12:26
MacPlusG3grzesieq: there may be... i dont' have an AE card (bought pcmcia)12:26
MacPlusG3grzesieq: and most developers are like that atm.12:27
grzesieqMacPlusG3: Now they give them with every new pb.12:27
MacPlusG3grzesieq: ahh..12:27
MacPlusG3grzesieq: didn't used to :)12:27
khalekMacPlusG3: one of the apple guys at auug forwarded an email on to the right people (tm) but I have yet to hear back and doubt I will..12:27
MacPlusG3khalek: yeah... it's broadcom that are the problem, not apple12:27
grzesieqMacPlusG3: yeah, i think it's only the latest version.12:27
grzesieqMacPlusG3: the nice feature is that it uses the built-in antennas.12:28
khalekMacPlusG3: yeah but finding a person to talk to at broadcom would be useful12:28
MacPlusG3khalek, grzesieq: apple is getting better - stuff that they write the drivers of are often open source (e.g. sound). so even though the license and code can'tn work with linux, it's good being able to read stuff (so ppl who write ppc sound drivers tell me :)12:28
khalekMacPlusG3: also not everyone has the luxury of pcmcia given 12" laptops don't have them12:28
khaleks/them/it/12:28
khalekgrzesieq: http://www.scaramanga.co.uk/stuff/bcm94306/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-bcom4301/12:29
CardadorAss_on_Fire: yes, and change the driver name to nvidia12:29
Ass_on_Firek, done already :)12:29
CardadorAss_on_Fire: edit /etc/modules and put nvidia on the bottom12:30
Cardadoror else your x wont start :)12:30
Ass_on_Firehey that's new to me :)12:30
Ass_on_Firethx12:30
Cardadornp12:30
Ass_on_Firethat's all ??12:31
Cardadori think so12:31
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Ass_on_Firek, thx :)12:31
Cardadorat least that was what i did12:31
MacPlusG3khalek: hrmmm... interesting12:31
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grzesieqEverything else works ok on macs?12:31
khalekdepends what you're after12:32
khaleknvidia chipsets won't have 3d and suspend12:32
grzesieqUhm... Bletooth?12:32
MacPlusG3grzesieq: you probably won't get 3d accelleration12:32
khaleknewer ati chipsets won't fully suspend12:32
MacPlusG3grzesieq: or suspend12:32
MacPlusG3grzesieq: on recent ones anyway12:32
grzesieqBah.12:32
khalek3d works on the ibooks12:32
MacPlusG3grzesieq: bluetooth works fine - been syncing and sending images and mp3s around.12:32
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grzesieqI use bluetooth for syncing my schedule with my mobile phone, and i _really_ need it.12:33
Keybukazeem: oddly enough, I'm writing a blog post about exactly that at the moment12:33
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grzesieqSometimes I think I should've bought an x86 laptop...12:35
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mteiraWhy on Nautilus, right button on a mp3 file, properties, open with, I'm not able to change the default selected program?12:36
ajmitchso you don't just accept random debian packages into ubuntu then?12:36
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scaroomteira, you ve got a "open with..." entry12:36
MacPlusG3grzesieq: yeah - same.12:36
MacPlusG3grzesieq: it works on ppc - no problems :)12:36
mteirascaroo: Yes.12:36
mteirascaroo: OPen with another app , in spanish.12:37
jdubajmitch: how do you mean? all of main is in universe12:37
ondrejis sgml-data installed correctly on your ubuntu? mine wants to upgrade each time to same version as installed12:37
jdubajmitch: but we have particular supported packages12:37
ajmitchjdub: that's useful then12:37
mteiraAlso, in the Audio/Video tab, "There was an error trying to create the view named 'Audio/Video': System exception: IDL/omg.org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.012:38
grzesieqMacPlusG3: But then I realize that on mac everything works, plus it looks great. :)12:38
mteirascaroo: But I mean while trying to change the default program, on the "Open with" tab.12:38
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mteirascaroo: On the file properties window.12:38
Cardadoranyone knows how to change from spatial to normal view on nautilus?12:39
scaroomteira, ok, gonna try it asap12:39
jdubCardador: in preferences12:39
mteiraCardador: In nautilus preferences.12:39
mteiraCardador: The first group, the last option.12:39
jdubCardador: behaviour > always open in browser windows12:39
ajmitchis universe still getting packages in from sid?12:39
jdubajmitch: no12:40
scaroomteira, same problem here :(12:40
jdubajmitch: froze a while back12:40
jdubajmitch: see the release schedule on the wiki :)12:40
mteiraAnother problem with the encoding.12:40
scaroomteira, the oter choices a greyed 12:40
scaroos/oter/other/12:40
ajmitchjdub: ok, wasnt' sure if that applied to everything or not :)12:40
mteiraI've tried to use beep-media-player but the dragndrop doesn't work.12:40
ajmitchsince it has some old versions of my packages there12:40
ondrejjdub: I have spare machine with two 36GB discs; do you think that this would be enough to make czech mirror of Ubuntu?12:40
mteiraI think it's for the UTF vs Latin1 encoding.12:40
jdubajmitch: we sync up some stuff after freeze for bugfixes, and of course gnome ;)12:41
jdubondrej: um, from memory, yes12:41
mteiraHumm, should I fill bug reports for this problems?12:41
mteiraOr should be enought to comment them out here?12:41
Cardadorjdub and mteira: thank you!12:41
mteiraCardador: You're wellcome12:42
mteiraI wonder why the default theme is not using the Human icon theme.12:42
ajmitchjdub: one would almost think that you had a liking for GNOME? :)12:42
jdubmteira: it's not complete. we delayed the complete artwork until our final release.12:42
mteiraOh. 12:43
scaroodoes any of you knows a repo where i can find gstreamer-ffmepeg package ?12:43
mteirajdub: You're the one from Garnome, arent' you?12:43
jdubajmitch: it's an important part of the ubuntu idea. :)12:43
jdubmteira: yes12:43
mteirajdub: Good work.12:43
jdubthanks12:43
mteiraI see gpdf is not installed by default.12:43
mteiraIt's randomly working as in my Debian unstable.12:43
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mteiraIt's hard for me to understand how gpdf fails so bad where xpdf works.12:44
mteiraI understand the two programs use the same backend.12:44
scaroohey, jdub was even the realease coordinator of gnome :p so yes ubuntu is gnome biased, and that is cool :D12:44
jdubmteira: it uses the same code, but gpdf uses a different font rendering mechanism12:44
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cefbbk12:45
scaroojdub, gpdf uses pango ?12:46
mteirajdub: OK.12:46
ajmitchaha, found a package that needs security fixes12:47
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mteiraThere's a thing in gnome I don't like.12:48
khalektoo much bling?12:48
khaleknot enough bling?12:49
mteiraWhy when you right click on the desktop -> create a file, the document is not created UNDER the cursor?12:49
martinkscaroo: no, gnome-print12:49
mteirabling?12:49
mteiraWhat does it mean?12:50
mteiraIt's really anoying to create a document in a little free region on the desktop, and them have to minimize tons of windows looking for the new file.12:50
mteiraDon't you think so?12:50
mteiraIt's only me?12:51
jdubmteira: bugzilla.gnome.org ;-)12:51
mteirajdub: Yeeees, I know.12:51
mteirajdub: Just a thinking.12:51
yuranhmm.. trash applet + small panel size don't work very well...12:52
ajmitchjdub: who do we ask for security fixes? (package is phpgroupware)12:52
yuranjust added 8 "new" lounchers to my panel..12:53
jdubajmitch: file a bug, it can probably be upgraded12:54
jdubyuran: in the next version, it'll pop up bigger when your mouse is over it12:55
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kOoLiNuShi to everyone !01:07
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Ass_on_FireCardador: thanks for the help, nvidia drivers up and running :)01:10
jose__good to know that :)01:10
jose__Ass_on_Fire: im Cardador01:10
jose__lol01:10
Ass_on_Firewas a bit difficult, since i haven't used a debian-like distro before01:10
jose__some problems with xchat :P01:10
Ass_on_Fire:)01:11
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Ass_on_Firethank god i don't have to plug in my speakers in the mic jack of my onboard audio to get sound in ubuntu01:12
Ass_on_Firethe crackling that accompanied that drove me insane01:12
Ass_on_Fire:)01:12
moyogohi all01:13
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|Gaaruto|hi01:13
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moyogoi have some problems with my usb webcam01:13
guido_hi all01:13
moyogoaudio keeps picking it as the primary audio device if i leave it plugged in when i reboot01:14
moyogothat means i have no /dev/dsp and all the rest, just the mic i there01:14
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mteiravisual effects are not working for me in totem.01:15
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SeTh_thE_SinNeRI'm not going good with this01:15
SeTh_thE_SinNeRcant have the permission to access mounted partitions01:15
mteiraDo it work for you?01:15
guido_i have problems with totem too. can't get video display, only sound.01:16
SeTh_thE_SinNeRTOTEM ?01:16
CardadorSeTh_thE_SinNeR: you have to edit fstab01:16
SeTh_thE_SinNeRups sorry caps01:16
mteiraguido_: Humm, I have not tested video display. I'm gonna try.01:16
mteiraSeTh_thE_SinNeR: The video player.01:16
SeTh_thE_SinNeRCardador ii already did it01:16
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moyogofor the video, shouldn't you configure it with gstreamer-properties ?01:17
Zombubunte installer hangs at 93% after telling me that he is restarting the system for the second stage01:17
mteiramoyogo: Could be. :)01:17
mteiraLet's see01:17
Zombah, after 30..40s it has rebootet01:17
mteiramoyogo: But that's for nerds, isn't it?01:17
moyogobtw, gstreamer-properties is not in the Desktop Properties Menu01:17
CardadorSeTh_thE_SinNeR: do you have smt like this? /dev/hda6 /home/jose/downloads auto auto,users,exec 0 001:18
moyogoit should be there as Multimedia System Selector01:18
moyogoimma file a bug about it01:18
guido_moyogo: ah I see, i already searched for something like that01:18
ondrejbtw, how do I enable boot splash screen when not installing from scratch, but migrating from debunstable01:18
ondrej?01:18
SeTh_thE_SinNeRclose to that01:18
SeTh_thE_SinNeRlet me get it01:18
mteiraHumm. The spanish translation...01:18
SeTh_thE_SinNeRw801:18
CardadorSeTh_thE_SinNeR: ?s tuga? :P01:19
Zombit think it is caused by lookups for a IDE disk01:19
Zombthere are no IDE disks01:19
SeTh_thE_SinNeR/dev/hda1/mnt/win1ntfsrw,user,noauto0001:19
SeTh_thE_SinNeRyeah01:19
SeTh_thE_SinNeRi'm tuga guy01:19
SeTh_thE_SinNeRlol01:19
mteiraThe properties in gstreamer-properties were fine.01:19
mteiraAnd the tests worked.01:19
Cardadoryou cant write no ntfs01:19
Cardadorat least safely01:20
SeTh_thE_SinNeRyes i know01:20
SeTh_thE_SinNeRapart from that01:20
SeTh_thE_SinNeRit should have the permisssion to access 01:20
Cardadori'll put my line for ntfs01:20
Cardador/dev/hda1 /home/jose/windows1 ntfs auto,users,exec,ro,umask=000 0 001:20
mteiraANd now, totem died.01:20
guido_mteira: how do I get into gstreamer-properties?01:20
mteiraBug buddy has poped up.01:20
mteiraguido_: On a terminal, write gstreamer-properties01:21
guido_oh01:21
guido_thx01:21
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mteiraguido_: Or on the execute program window.01:21
SeTh_thE_SinNeRhmm01:21
SeTh_thE_SinNeRk01:21
SeTh_thE_SinNeRle' me try something like that01:21
SeTh_thE_SinNeRhmm01:22
SeTh_thE_SinNeRi don't want it to mount on boot01:22
guido_mteira, thanks got it01:22
_Hiro_hello everyone, anybody know wether the ubuntu shipped kernels support Adaptec I2O RAID?01:22
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mteiraNo luck.01:22
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mteiraPerhaps the mach64 xv is not working fine. I'm gonna try without Xv.01:23
SeTh_thE_SinNeRCardador isn't it "user" ?01:23
|Gaaruto|hi mitchux01:23
moyogomteira: my xv doesn't work either01:23
mteiraNothing. My xv is working on the test, but no with a film nor visual effects.01:23
moyogomteira: actually totem doesn't display anything in x11 mode either01:23
CardadorSeTh_thE_SinNeR: i've it like this and it works :)01:23
mitchuxhi boy01:23
mitchuxhuhu01:23
mteiramoyogo: What xvinfo says you?01:23
SeTh_thE_SinNeRok01:24
Cardadorit was a line generated by my previous distro01:24
SeTh_thE_SinNeRlets see01:24
moyogomteira: but realplay does work with x11 mode01:24
mteiramoyogo: I think it's totem fault.01:24
moyogomteira: which part?01:24
SeTh_thE_SinNeRdamn01:24
mteiragstreamer-properties is able to use Xv correctly.01:24
SeTh_thE_SinNeRYou do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "icybox".01:25
moyogomteira: i should try with just gstreamer player01:25
Cardadorlol01:25
Cardadortry it exactly like my line01:25
moyogomteira: which part of xvinfo's output should i look at?01:25
guido_here too. gstreamer-properties tests run fine, no output in totem01:25
Cardadori had to reboot01:25
Cardadorto get it working01:25
SeTh_thE_SinNeRyeah01:25
mteiramoyogo: Well, if you got some output and not "No Xv extensions" it's fine.01:25
SeTh_thE_SinNeRreboot on the way01:25
SeTh_thE_SinNeRit's exacly like your01:26
SeTh_thE_SinNeRit's exacly like yours01:26
Cardadorgl :)01:26
SeTh_thE_SinNeRwell01:26
SeTh_thE_SinNeRbrb01:26
moyogomteira: so xv should work?01:26
SeTh_thE_SinNeRty01:26
SeTh_thE_SinNeR:P01:26
mteiramoyogo: Yes.01:26
scaroototem doesn t output coz ubuntu doesnt come with the gstreamer plugins needed to decode anything but theora01:27
moyogomteira: oh wait, gstreamer-player is with version 0.6... do i wanna try that?01:27
moyogoscaroo: ah01:27
jdubscaroo: install totem-xine from universe01:27
jdubs/scaroo/moyogo/01:27
mteirascaroo: Oh.01:27
KosaiHum.  Anyone know which package will give a KDE entry in gdm?  Seem to have installed everything I can think of, and 'kde' itself is uninstallable.01:28
moyogojdub: are the plugins not available for gstreamer?01:28
mteirajdub: But the visual effects are not working either01:28
scaroojdub, can we find gstreamer-ffmpeg somewhere ?01:29
|Gaaruto|jdub> what's "universe" please ? i heard this word so many time01:29
jdubmoyogo: you will have the most satisfying video experience with totem-xine01:29
jdub|Gaaruto|: it's the unsupported set of packages01:29
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|Gaaruto|jdub> ok thanks01:30
moyogojdub: yeah, like mteira, video output is still pitch black01:30
mteiraWhen audio starts, I see a little centered white dot.01:30
|Gaaruto|jdub> i just install the ubuntu at this moment01:30
mteiraAnd then, only darkness.01:30
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ConneXi installed the latest Ubuntu on my laptop, but i could'nt get the tap-button to work.. are there some config i need to edit?01:31
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will|homehey01:33
will|homesomeone was helping me with a problem yesterday01:33
will|homewhereby x wasn't starting01:33
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will|homei was told to "sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.8.1-2-k7 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-k7 nvidia-glx"01:34
will|homeand replace nv with nvidia in my XF86Config-4 file01:34
will|homei did that, then typed startx01:34
will|homeand everything worked great01:34
will|homebut when i rebooted, i can't get X to work01:35
Cardadorwill|home: edit /etc/modules and add nvidia01:35
will|homecool, just done that01:36
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will|homewe'll see if it works :)01:36
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will|homebrilliant!01:37
will|homeit worked01:37
will|homethanks very much for your help :)01:37
will|homeubuntu rocks!01:38
Cardadornp :)01:38
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giarddoes anyone know what the name of the package is for the default kernel?01:39
moyogowhat's the difference between the module nvidia and the module nvidia-agp?01:39
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will|ubuntu:)01:40
Zombmoyogo: I think nvidia-agp is what they use instead of agpgart (from kernel)01:40
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Cardadorgiard: try search for linux-image01:41
giardso the latest is 2.6.7?01:42
Maydayanyone know if the binary ati drivers work?01:43
Cardadorno, 2.6.801:43
Zombdamn it01:43
giardstrange, the only image I see is 2.6.701:43
Zombit does not install on 2GB harddisk01:43
Cardadorgiard: use synaptic to search, i only find 2.6.8.1-501:44
jdubgiard: apt-cache search linux-image-2.601:44
giardAhh, I think I figured out what the problem was... I had added universe to my sources01:46
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angie75hi there!01:46
giardI'm curious because I can't seem to sleep/suspend01:47
giardwhen I echo 1 to /proc/acpi/sleep I get a message saying that it can't suspend some device01:47
giardand I was wondering if it was a kernel thing01:48
sladengiard: do you have a BIOS hotkey for suspend ?01:48
giardsladen: I don't think so, I'm not sure... 01:48
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giardit's not an ubuntu thing, as it doesn't work in slackware either, but I didn't know if there was a work around01:49
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SeTh_thE_SinNeRno luck01:52
SeTh_thE_SinNeR:|01:52
angie75just a simple question... does Ubuntu use a dedicated apt-source repository or the official debian sources?01:54
KosaiA dedicated one; archive.ubuntu.com.01:55
giardis there a "news" feed for that server to see what new packages have been checked in?01:55
angie75tnx Kosai !01:56
jdubgiard: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/warty-changes01:56
angie75no way to install k3b so? :-)01:57
SeTh_thE_SinNeRCardador chown -R should do it01:59
jdubangie75: add universe to your sources, and install01:59
angie75jdub: tnx... sorry I could catch this info rapidly02:00
SeTh_thE_SinNeRor not..02:00
yurani think i just locked myself out.. i changed the permissions on /etc/sudoers 02:01
yurananyway to undo this, without rebooting into single user? 02:01
hypatiaI can't think of one unless you've set a root password02:01
will|ubuntuwhat package do i need to apt-get install for SMB support?02:02
hypatiaYou should normally use "visudo" to make any changes to /etc/sudoers :)02:02
yuranwell, lesson learned :) 02:02
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yuranso how should i change the sudoer file then? 02:02
CardadorSeTh_thE_SinNeR: i have no more ideas :(02:02
sladensudo visudo02:02
hypatiasladen: but by having changed the permissions of /etc/sudoers, presumably yuran can no longer run "sudo anything" commands02:03
hypatiayuran: I think single user was on the money02:03
sladenyuran: nope, out of interest.  /How/ did you manage to change the permissions, and what did you change them too?02:03
angie75tnx everybody, bye02:03
yuransladen: sudo chmod of course :)02:04
angie75bye02:04
yuranto 064002:04
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sladenyuran: what to02:04
yuranseemed logical at the time...02:04
yuranbrb02:05
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takatumiwould be a breeze with root02:08
Kosaijdub: Is there going to be a Planet Ubuntu?  :)02:08
jdubyes :)02:09
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thaytanyo,buntu02:16
kOoLiNuSwhat is supposed to be "Planet Ubuntu" ?02:17
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plovskOoLiNuS, http://planet.gnome.org/ but then for ubuntu, a group off rss-feeds from developers02:19
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kOoLiNuSoh, the "blog" of develops :-D02:20
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SeTh_thE_SinNeRCardador02:23
SeTh_thE_SinNeRthe folder has the permission02:23
SeTh_thE_SinNeRbut when i mount the device to it02:24
SeTh_thE_SinNeRubuntu takes the permissions from the folder02:24
SeTh_thE_SinNeRlol02:24
Cardadorstrange02:24
SeTh_thE_SinNeRvery02:24
Cardadorwhere did you put the folder to mount it?02:24
SeTh_thE_SinNeR /media/02:24
Cardadortry to mount it on your home folder02:25
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jdubSeTh_thE_SinNeR: is this a vfat partition?02:26
SeTh_thE_SinNeRno02:27
SeTh_thE_SinNeRntfs02:27
SeTh_thE_SinNeRCardador same02:27
SeTh_thE_SinNeRno permission02:27
jdubSeTh_thE_SinNeR: what's your fstab line?02:27
SeTh_thE_SinNeR# USB IcyBox02:27
SeTh_thE_SinNeR/dev/sda1/media/icyboxntfsauto,rw,exec,user0002:27
Cardadorusb?02:28
jdubSeTh_thE_SinNeR: type id02:28
jdubSeTh_thE_SinNeR: what's the uid and gid?02:28
jdub1000?02:28
SeTh_thE_SinNeRfor the user?02:28
SeTh_thE_SinNeRyes02:28
SeTh_thE_SinNeR100002:28
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jdubok02:28
jdubwhere you have auto,rw,exec,user02:28
jdubremove auto02:28
SeTh_thE_SinNeRk02:29
jdubadd uid=1000,gid=100002:29
minghuahi, I have a question about LVM support on powerpc02:29
SeTh_thE_SinNeRdone02:29
SeTh_thE_SinNeRanything else?02:29
minghuaI tried d-i RC1 on i386 machine with root on LVM02:30
minghuaand it worked fine02:30
linux_mafiacan someone tell me which package i need to display chinese fonts in nautilus? 02:30
minghuayesterday I tried ubuntu 4.10 preview02:30
jdublinux_mafia: no packages required, however, try this...02:30
jdublinux_mafia: dpkg-reconfigure locales02:30
minghuaand I couldn't have LVM work02:30
jdublinux_mafia: make sure you choose the zh_CN.UTF-8 or whichever you prefer02:31
minghualinux_mafia: in Debian there is ttf-arphic-*02:31
minghuanot sure about ubuntu02:31
jdubminghua: it's included by default02:31
SeTh_thE_SinNeRjdub is that all? should i mount again now?02:31
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jdubSeTh_thE_SinNeR: yes, umount it, then mount it as your user02:31
linux_mafiajdub, ok, but i actually use english, i just got some chinese music mp3s and the file names are just ??????.mp302:32
SeTh_thE_SinNeRno need to mount as su ?02:32
jdubSeTh_thE_SinNeR: no, that's what the user is for02:32
jdubSeTh_thE_SinNeR: if you've been doing that, that's why it's b0rked :)02:32
jdublinux_mafia: you'll need to change to a UTF-8 locale02:32
SeTh_thE_SinNeRlol02:32
SeTh_thE_SinNeRooohh02:32
SeTh_thE_SinNeR:P02:32
jdublinux_mafia: english or chinese, whichever :)02:32
minghuajdub: how could I set a partition as a volume group?02:32
linux_mafiajdub, ok, thanks man02:32
SeTh_thE_SinNeRyeah but it returned that only root bla bla..02:32
SeTh_thE_SinNeRso..02:32
SeTh_thE_SinNeRbut ok02:32
minghuajdub: I didn't remember how I did it last time02:32
SeTh_thE_SinNeRmakes sense now02:33
SeTh_thE_SinNeR:)02:33
jdubminghua: not really sure, but LVM setup is included in the installer02:33
jdubSeTh_thE_SinNeR: sorted?02:33
linux_mafiautf-8 is the bane of my life :(02:33
SeTh_thE_SinNeRw802:33
jdublinux_mafia: utf-8 is love!02:33
jdublinux_mafia: in hoary, it will be the default so you don't have to muck around like this :)02:33
linux_mafiacool02:33
Kamionminghua: sorry, there's an issue with parted on powerpc which means that LVM isn't currently supported on powerpc02:33
minghuajdub: thanks, i think i'll try again02:34
jdubaha02:34
SeTh_thE_SinNeRseth@devil ~ $ mount /dev/sda1 /media/icybox/ -t ntfs02:34
SeTh_thE_SinNeRmount: only root can do that02:34
SeTh_thE_SinNeR:\02:34
minghuaKamion: aha, that explains things well02:34
jdubSeTh_thE_SinNeR: just type mount /media/icybox02:34
Kamionminghua: I spent some time debugging it at debconf4, it's not trivial to fix :-/02:34
minghuaKamion: so even d-i powerpc doesn't support LVM?02:34
Kamionminghua: nope02:34
SeTh_thE_SinNeRyey02:34
SeTh_thE_SinNeRakunamatata02:35
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minghuaKamion: I see, thanks for the info.02:35
minghuaKamion: is there any bug number that I can watch on this issue?02:35
SeTh_thE_SinNeRone day i'll pay u a dinner on candle light jdub02:36
SeTh_thE_SinNeRhomo apart02:36
SeTh_thE_SinNeR;P02:36
linux_mafiajdub, perfect, thanks, displaying fine now02:36
az[a] zelanyone here develop for the AMD64 port?02:36
Kamionminghua: don't know of one02:36
minghuaKamion: need me to file one? :-)02:37
jdubaz[a] zel: mithrandir, who is often here, knows the most about amd6402:37
jdubaz[a] zel: but there are a few of us here who do, just ask straight up :)02:38
az[a] zeljdub, ok02:38
Kamionminghua: only if you really want to, it's unlikely to make things happen any faster :)02:38
az[a] zeljdub, just curious if there is a plan for 32 bit GTK+ 2.0 libraries for AMD 64 ? Also, a 32 bit mozilla (For proprietary plugins, e.g. flash).. one could always run the 32bit firefox from mozilla.org, but that requires 32 bit GTK+ 2.0 libs02:39
minghuaKamion: I won't bother then.  thanks.02:39
Kamionaz[a] zel: there's a general plan for multiarch support; we probably won't be going further with individual 32-bit libraries unless necessary until we have that02:39
Kamion(hoary, not warty)02:39
giardflash... what a pain... macromedia needs to open source the viewer02:39
Kamionjdub: is the final gdm artwork going to include the machine name on the greeter screen? the debugging artwork did, current doesn't02:40
sanxiyngiard: Help open source projects implementing SWF standard.02:40
sanxiyngiard: Depending on Macromedia's binary is not a solution.02:40
jdubKamion: hrm02:41
jdubKamion: do you want it?02:41
Kamionminghua: (mind you, it would mean you'd be told when it was closed if you filed a bug ...)02:41
sanxiyngiard: Take a look at http://swfdec.sf.net/ and http://gplflash.sf.net/ .02:41
Kamionjdub: hell yeah02:41
Kamionjdub: I have so many machines around here I get very confused about which is which :)02:41
jdubKamion: use case? remote logins?02:41
az[a] zelKamion, good 32 bit support on AMD64 distros hasn't been handled elegantly by any of the AMD64 distros yet, IMO.. debian/ubuntu seem to be on the right track though02:41
jdubhaha02:41
Kamionremote logins is another, certainly02:41
jdubKamion: 'unidentified keyboard logins' ;)02:41
giardsanxiyn: are those still in active development?  Last I tried them they weren't very accurate02:41
Maydayis there a RSS reader in main, if so what is it called?02:42
Kamion"WTF-is-this-machine logins"02:42
sanxiyngiard: I found swfdec to be adequate for *my* purposes.02:42
jdubMayday: hrm, don't think so - try installing straw from universe02:42
Kamionaz[a] zel: right, hence the multiarch ideas ... Mithrandir's baby02:42
sanxiyngiard: Yes swfdec is active, and gplflash was once discontinued but they released fix in 2004.02:42
Maydayi dont want universe, i want main :)02:42
jdubMayday: :-)02:42
jdubMayday: by final release, the version of firefox we'll ship will have rss stuff in it02:43
sanxiyngiard: swfdec cooperates with GStreamer (to-be-freedesktop.org-supported media framework)02:43
Kamionjdub: I think also it means that, if you have a row of monitors, they're a little less faceless and indistinguishable by default02:43
jdubas will thunderbird02:43
jdubKamion: 'cept they'll all be called ubuntu ;)02:43
Kamionthey so won't :)02:43
Maydaythe rss reader in evolution was removed in the 2.0?02:43
giardswfdec hasn't released an update in almost a year and a half if you go by their website02:43
KamionDHCP, dude :)02:43
Kamionwell, and DNS02:44
jdubKamion: (i actually just commented that bit out in the theme, you can enable it again locally if you want)02:44
sanxiyngiard: Well, but it's still active. :-)02:44
jdubKamion: but yes, i'll make sure we have that02:44
Kamionjdub: ah, ok - ta02:44
sanxiyngiard: Help them integrating ActionScript compiler from Ming project.02:44
jdubMayday: yes02:44
sanxiyngiard: Ming is PHP Flash generator, that has about the best open source ActionScript implementation.02:44
sanxiyngiard: Even if they aren't active, relying on propreitary binary is *not* a solution.02:45
sladenwho's an OOo hacker around here?02:46
giardsanxiyn: you'll get no arguments from me there.  the pain is that flash is so ubiquitous now02:46
seb128jdub: gaim 1.0 is out ... fixes some severe encoding breakage in current warty version. Perhaps we want to consider it ?02:47
giardsanxiyn: we need a decent standard that browsers will include by default02:47
sanxiyngiard: And Macromedia's is not a solution, so only solution is to help open-source Flash projects...02:47
sanxiyngiard: Yes it is a pain.02:47
az[a] zeldamn the hoary hedgehog goals look pretty good.. I want it now! :)02:47
jdubseb128: yes, i think we need to consider it as part of the desktop/gnome updates02:47
jdubaz[a] zel: ;)02:48
highvoltageI want a future version!02:48
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seb128jdub: should I mail you+Matt ?02:48
highvoltageAnyone have some time-travel bandwidth available?02:48
jdubseb128: yes please02:48
seb128ok, thanks02:48
[Scizo] warty looks good02:48
sanxiyngiard: At least Flash is not software-patented. Thanks for that. :(02:49
highvoltageI want ubuntu 6.5 with Evolution 4.1, Firefox 2.7, and Gnome 4.2 with the new hurd kernel. thank you02:49
sanxiyn(Or is it?)02:49
martinksladen: haggai_ is an OOo debian maint. And I hack OOo sometimes...02:49
[Scizo] still needs some apps for everyday use (i.e. bluefish, anjuta) but i'm sure it'll get there soon02:49
martinksladen: ah, you already found the right channel02:49
SeTh_thE_SinNeRone more error "OSS device "/dev/dsp" is already in use by another program."02:50
az[a] zelhighvoltage, hurd should be available 203202:50
highvoltagenot if we get the time-travel thing working :)02:50
sladenmartink: yes, tried each of   {oftc,opn}/#openoffice{,.org}  before getting the right one :)02:50
az[a] zel"Significant GDM polish (MNG, face browser Done Right)" -- I like this, animated stuff is cool :)02:51
highvoltageI saw that on a gentoo machine, but it's not on ubuntu yet, right?02:51
highvoltageMine just showes a blue/grey ubuntu login.02:52
tsengubuntu is frozen now, no new packages02:52
tsengjust fixes02:52
az[a] zeloh so gdm already has that?02:52
jdubaz[a] zel: no02:52
martinksladen: there's also #debian-oo for debian specific ooo questions02:52
jdubhighvoltage: the debugging artwork?02:52
az[a] zelwhat is "Launchpad integration" ?02:52
jdubaz[a] zel: new backend applications, you'll hear more soon02:52
highvoltagejdub: hmmm... I saw it on a gentoo box, I'm sure, I'll ask my friend if it was gdm or something else02:52
highvoltageI'm comvinced that it was02:53
jdubhighvoltage: what did you see?02:53
highvoltagejdub: Nice animated and interactive stuff on the login screen, I must admit it was a few weeks ago, is that what you're talking about02:54
sladenmartink: it's not Debian specific, but if the clue/response level is likely to be higher, I'll give it a go?02:54
martinksladen: not with this question, I'm afraid02:55
martinksladen: it's very likely that all the res files contain the same data for toolbar icons. Did you try bzip2ing all res files in one archive?02:57
sladenmartink: ah ha.  That's useful information02:57
TerminXwill packages from Ubuntu install fine on Debian?03:02
jdubTerminX: unlikely03:03
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TerminXhow unlikely?  there's a bit of stuff that works fine even aliened from rpms, I really don't see why packages from a distro based on Debian in the first place would be that unlikely to work.. I'm mainly thinking crap like GNOME, et cetera03:05
sanxiynTerminX: Try it. It may work.03:05
TerminXI, uh, can't find a sources.list from Ubuntu.03:06
TerminXOr I would have by now03:06
sanxiynTerminX: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Archive03:06
TerminXaha03:06
TerminXthanks03:07
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sanxiynHm. If "apt-get install" fails, will "apt-get source --build" work?03:08
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KamionTerminX: main issue is that we've rebuilt Debian packages for Ubuntu. We should be binary-compatible, in that the actual executables should work fine; the question is more whether the packages themselves will work. You get to find out :-)03:12
TerminXehehe03:12
jdubplus we're a bit behind in some respects, due to the freeze03:13
Maydayi would say you are ahead due to the freeze :)03:14
Kamiondepends on your point of view :-)03:14
Kamion(or, perhaps, direction of view ...)03:14
Maydayofcourse03:15
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jdub;-)03:15
Maydayanyway, damn fine work done so far, few dists has made me feel so at home so quickly03:15
kOoLiNuSindeed03:16
robertjokay, back from my first Ubuntu install03:16
kOoLiNuS^__^03:16
jdubMayday: that's gotta be our favourite response to hear :)03:16
robertjfirst comment: MY EYES!03:17
tsenghaha03:17
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[Scizo] jdub, any chance i can get you to leave out the "local apic on uniprocessors" option by default ?03:17
TerminXrobertj: I assume the goggles do nothing?03:17
robertjNo, mainly the default resolution03:17
robertj< 80hz and my eyes scream03:17
tseng[Scizo] : what does that even do?03:17
tsengit breaks my laptop03:18
mteiraHumm. I feel ubuntu really faster than my Debian Unstable. Is ubuntu using some trick like prelinking, or it's just gnome 2.8 being faster than gnome 2.6 ?03:18
[Scizo] tseng, crashes my inspiron every time :)03:18
tsenghaha same here03:18
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tsengbut i wonder what its useful for03:18
robertjThis monitor really needs 1280x1024, not 160003:18
tseng[Scizo] : hey can you add to my bug report03:18
sanxiynrobertj: I think Debian configures X with DDC(Display Data Channel)?03:18
[Scizo] tseng, i know it's Dell's fault .. but still .. it's the main reason i can't run debian on it (that and ACPI < 2.4.24)03:18
Kamionmteira: we're not using prelinking, no03:18
sanxiynrobertj: It means the monitor manufacturer thought 1600 is good for it.03:19
tseng[Scizo] : https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=132203:19
mteiraKamion: So, perhaps it's gnome 2.8 faster.03:19
sanxiynrobertj: I believe the monitor manufacturer knows better. :-)03:19
robertjI believe not ;)03:19
[Scizo] tseng, i'm assuming you got a nice 640x480 display at first boot as well :D03:19
Kamionmteira: we do tune all the .debs for Pentium 403:19
tseng[Scizo] : er, no03:19
robertjWindows doesn't pick that resolution, neither does Fedora if I recall correctly03:20
tsengit just crashes on the lid event03:20
Kamionmteira: it's *possible* that makes a difference (although I'm a little sceptical)03:20
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[Scizo] heh ... 640x480 on a 15" TFT meant for 1600x1200 is painfull :D03:20
sanxiynrobertj: That's strange.03:20
mteiraKamion: Perhaps I have more services running on my debian.03:20
jdub[Scizo] : kernel's not really my area, if you could post to -users about it, that'd be great03:20
[Scizo] jdub, i'll just add to tseng's bug report03:20
mteiraKamion: I'm using a Pentium III, anyway03:20
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jdubmteira: we do two optimisations, which will provide a leeeetle bit of help03:20
Vanzettihi03:20
sanxiynrobertj: Debian should do same as Windows or Fedora or whatever, since resoultion detection is standard.03:20
robertjIMO, unless its the difference between 640x480 & 800x600 or 800x600 & 1024x768, refresh rate should trump all03:20
robertjsan: I bet they are doing some checks to weigh in refresh rate over manufacturer recommendation03:20
robertjwhich certainly seems sane in this case03:21
jdubmteira: first is compiler optimisations for the cpu - it works on i486, but is tuned for k7 and pentium403:21
sanxiynHm.03:21
Kamionsanxiyn: judging from Daniel Stone's periodic "aargh" screams about resolution detection, I don't think it's that simple unfortunately03:21
jdubmteira: second is linker optimisation, which can help apps start faster03:21
sanxiynKamion: Unfortunately. But it should be simple. :(03:21
mteirajdub: Perhaps that second one is what I'm feeling.03:21
mteirajdub: xchat started in no more than two seconds. On my debian it lasts more time03:22
jdubsanxiyn: unfortunately, there are bugs in the world that are hard to work around in software. :)03:22
Kamionrobertj: at one point the algorithm was basically "on CRTs, take the second-highest resolution offered"03:22
tsengjdub: prelink you mean?03:22
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jdubtseng: no, not prelink03:22
Kamionrobertj: I think it might be more complicated than that now03:22
jdubtseng: linker hashtable optimisation03:22
tsengah, excellent.03:22
sanxiynjdub: Heh.03:22
mteirajdub: That sounds interesting.03:22
robertjBut that's not horrible by any means03:22
mteirajdub: Will that change go back onto debian.03:22
robertjBut just knowing a lot of users will never _ever_ change their screen resolution03:22
Deftwhat partition type would mount expect for a FAT32 usb pen?03:23
robertjI cant count the times I've bumped someone from 1024x768 @ 60 hz to 1024x768 @ 85+ hz03:23
tsengDeft: vfat03:23
jdubmteira: it's a general buildd change, so not sure03:23
mteiraI'm curious about how the improvements in Ubuntu will be driven back to debian.03:23
Defttseng, I mean the partition type, in the mbr03:23
jdubmteira: we're already sending lots of patches back03:23
tsengmbr? usb pen?03:23
tsengyouve lost me.03:23
mteirajdub: That's great03:23
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Defttseng, you only get sda1 for a usb pen, because that's the first partition on the pen.  if there were no partitions, you would just get sda, but windows apparently doesn't like that03:24
tsengsda is the device03:25
mteiraA question about Rhythmbox. I heared time ago that mp3 id3 tag editing would be a future enhancement.03:25
tsengsda1 is the first partition03:25
mteiraPerhaps it's a gstreamer functionality they're waiting for?03:25
jdubmteira: yes03:25
tsengwhat does windows have to do with it03:25
Defttseng, exactly, and you need an mbr to have a partition03:25
tsengor better, what are you trying to do here?03:25
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TerminXUbuntu GNOME on Debian appears to work.03:25
jay303Fhello03:25
TerminXthere's some oddities, like I can add the "about ubuntu" icon to my panel, but it does nothing.. :)03:25
Deftwindows won't read from a usb pen drive with just a filesystem over the whole thing, you need an mbr and at least one partition03:26
sanxiynTerminX: Heh.03:26
jay303Fanybody had a problem with installing ubuntu? when it tries to detect my ide-cd you can wait forever on it03:26
Deftso I want to set mine up like that (I'm reformatting it)03:26
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mteirajdub: Have the ubuntu people optimization as one of their priorities?03:26
mteirajdub: That's one thing I'm always missed in gnome. Perhaps it's just a feeling.03:27
jdubmteira: not a huge priority, but we've done a few things here and there that are safe and sane03:27
mteirajdub: Are more of this things planned?03:27
Curti1Does anyone know warthogs password on the live cd.03:27
jdubCurti1: i think it's 'morphix'03:27
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mteirajdub: I had the idea that if Ubuntu is in some way oriented to Africa, should work better on old machines.03:27
jay303Fanybody had a problem with installing ubuntu? when it tries to detect my ide-cd you can wait forever on it, anyone had this problem?03:27
jdubmteira: where we can do things safely, we probably will03:28
mteirajdub: Thanks.03:28
Deftjay303F, does the drive work from any other OS/linux install?03:28
mteirajdub: What about prelinking? Isn't it safe in its state?03:28
jay303FDeft: yeah, i've debian running03:28
mteiraI have heard that OS X is using it.03:28
mteiraJust as a curiosity03:28
[Scizo] arrgh03:29
[Scizo] i give up ... mozilla insists on "forgetting" my bug report every time i try to submit it03:29
jay303FDeft: installing that worked perfectly, but i was curious about ubuntu03:29
|Gaaruto|where can i config my screen in ubuntu ? (config for iiyama...)03:30
mteira[Scizo] : I've submitted some bugs a while ago, using firefox.03:30
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[Scizo] mteira, it's just this "#"# gentoo installation that needs a good kick in the a**03:31
mteira[Scizo] : Oh.03:31
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mteira[Scizo] : Take it easy. ;-)03:31
jay303Fnobody had my problem i guess?03:31
robertjI was a bit confused during the Ubuntu intall.03:32
robertjIF you don't select to download things from the internet, do you not get X, Gnome, etc03:32
[Scizo] mteira, i am .. just waiting for some new day2day apps to enter ubuntu, and i'll be back on something similar to debian :)03:32
jdubmteira: ask keybuk about the horrors of prelinking when he's around :)03:32
robertjIt said there were 500 and some odd packages, were the majority sitting around in some temporary cache on the HD?03:32
sanxiynjay303F: If Sarge installer worked fine and Ubuntu failed, that sounds like a bug.03:32
mteirarobertj: 03:32
mteirajdub: :)03:32
robertjmteira: :)03:32
robertjjdub: :)03:32
mteirajdub: Are they problems in the prelinking idea itself or in the implementation?03:33
mteiras/problems/horrors/03:33
|Gaaruto|what's this error please ? Failed to run network-admin as user root:03:33
|Gaaruto| Child terminated with 1 status03:33
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jdubrobertj: you shouldn't need to download anything from the 'net other than updates03:34
seb128|Gaaruto|: probably wrong password ..03:34
seb128|Gaaruto|: you need to enter your user password03:34
|Gaaruto|lol03:34
jdubmteira: the whole idea03:34
jay303Fsanxiyn: i have debian SID which works perfectly, maybe i will use that again then, i just was enthousiastic about ubuntu with gnome 2.803:34
|Gaaruto|not the root pswd ?03:34
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Deft_ujdub, update on that usb drive thing yesterday, it works ok with a new mbr, FAT16 partition type and FAT16 formatting; before it was W95FAT32 and FAT32...03:34
jdub|Gaaruto|: there is no root password :)03:34
jdubDeft_u: interesting03:35
sanxiynjdub: jay303F says that his Ubuntu install hanged on loading ide-cd (while Debian installer worked.)03:35
linux_mafiawell i hate to say it, but with all that talk of flash before, i installed flashplugin-nonfree from sid, works a treat, tried swfdec but it wont build a browser plugin unless you have mozilla proper installed, not firefox, may have a fiddle with it when i have more time 03:35
|Gaaruto|jdub> that's right !03:35
jay303Fsanxiyn: i not freezed the computer, it just tries it forever, i waited an hour03:35
jay303Fthen i rebooted03:35
[alsimcoe] .03:35
jdubjay303F: weird03:35
jay303Fyeah i know03:36
[Scizo] how well does ubuntu handle it if i try to install things from the debian unstable archive ? .. to get things like bluefish, anjuta etc.03:36
jdubjay303F: Kamion might be able to help out03:36
jdub[Scizo] : you should not do that. enable universe and install from there.03:36
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HrdwrBoBin case anyone was wondering03:36
[Scizo] enable universe ?03:36
HrdwrBoB#debian is populated by wankers :/03:36
[Scizo] ah03:36
jay303Fhm, ok i probably try it later or stay using good old debian03:36
neillhi03:37
linux_mafiaHrdwrBoB, thats not the ubuntu spirit :(03:37
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_Hiro_could anyone confirm me wether I can use an adaptec 3200s raid card with stock ubuntu?03:37
jdub_Hiro_: should be able to03:37
[Scizo] ubuntu just moved 1 step closer to becoming my main distribution :)03:37
jay303Fto bad, i really wanted to give it a try03:38
jdub[Scizo] : note that the stuff in universe is unsupported03:38
neillare people interested in installer problems?03:38
_Hiro_jdub does it come with the stock binary kernels? (because it's a patch that has to be used, it's not in the kernel by default)03:38
jdubneill: of course :)03:38
neilland should they go in the bugzilla mentioned in the topic03:38
neill?03:38
sanxiynIt is said that GCC visibility patch will reduce (say) OOo .so size to 20% of current size [!] 03:38
[Scizo] jdub, so is 90% of the software in any other distribution :)03:38
jdub_Hiro_: oh, hrm, in that case, i'm not sure03:38
jdubneill: yes please03:38
neillas a bit of background I'm trying to install onto a brand new athlon 64 / nforce 3 250gb board03:38
jdubneill: or send an installation report to ubuntu-users03:39
jay303Fneill: i will check if my ide-cd problem is there03:39
jdubneill: with SATA disks?03:39
neillusing SATA disks :)03:39
_Hiro_anyone here have a source ubuntu kernel?03:39
jdubneill: try a daily CD build instead :)03:39
_Hiro_if so could you grep .config for DPT ?03:39
tsenghmm no /proc/config support?03:39
neilljdub: well modprobe sata_nv seems to have done the trick so far.03:40
jay303Fhm, it's not there03:40
neillalso if I have my ipod plugged in it detects that as sda.03:40
neillwhich I suspect is likely to cause problems later for some people03:40
tsengneill: you can configure udev to name it /dev/ipod03:40
tsengor any other name03:41
Deft_uneill, does the device manager come up with a name for the iPod?03:41
neillDeft_u: device manager? I'm still in the installer....03:42
robertjtseng: hopefully within a few months people will be content to let it be /dev/sda and let Rhythmbox come up with "4 GB iPod Mini"03:42
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tsengunless your hd is /dev/sda normally03:42
tsengand ipod bumps it to sdb03:42
tsengi think that was what he was meaning as problems ^, not sure it they can go in the order03:43
neilltseng: yes. this is the problem03:43
neillsince I'm using SATA03:43
neilland so if I have it plugged in during install it's going to break things03:43
robertjWhat do yall think of Ubuntu's artwork? I'm a bit torn on it.03:44
robertjI really like the design but the colors make me go ugh03:44
tsengheh, i dont like any of it03:44
tsengexcept the gnome splash03:45
tsengso i took about 10 minutes and made it look nice.03:45
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Deft_uI like the art, but I would like some of the brown in the default wallpaper... doubt I'll get much agreement on that03:46
robertjNot from me03:46
robertjif anything, I'd like it slightly darker03:47
tsengi could care less, ill change the theme anyway03:47
[Scizo] heh .. i tried the new glider theme .. decided i liked the default ubuntu one better03:47
robertjmaybe a really dark brown would be better03:47
robertjI'm back with Industrial03:47
[Scizo] and as for wallpaper .. do whatever you like .. i have a nice one that i apply anyway :D03:47
tsengindubstrial here03:47
robertjThe real problem is that Gnome doesn't let you specify theme colors seperately from the theme03:47
tsengand opusos openbox theme03:47
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robertjOne of my other thoughts is that the show/hide desktop button is silly if your not going to put your system icons there03:48
tsengnot really03:49
robertjEither keep it as it is or nuke that and don't create a ~/Desktop03:49
[Scizo] i miss my "computer" and "xxx home" on my desktop :(03:49
robertjScizo: you can put it back with gconf03:49
robertjhrmmm03:49
[Scizo] my point being that i don't want to mess with gconf any more than i wont to mess with regedit3203:49
Deft_uI tend to keep all of my files on the desktop, so having launchers there as well is pretty wierd...03:50
jdub[Scizo] : we've disabled the special desktop icons intentionally03:50
robertj'Mess with it!03:50
jdub[Scizo] : try out the computer menu for a while03:50
[Scizo] i've been using linux since the yggdrasil fall '93 edition .. I think i've nudged enough configuration files in my time :D03:50
robertjjdub: I like the Computer menu but it seems like it needs an Applet too03:50
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jdubrobertj: hrm?03:50
[Scizo] jdub, i will .. took a while to get used to spatial nautilus .. maybe this just takes some getting used to03:51
toothpickHow do I link firefox with my blackdown java?03:51
robertjbecause now you kinda have to have the top menu03:51
Deft_urobertj, you mean you want a computer menu applet like the main menu applet?03:51
robertjyah03:51
robertjbtw, is there a mac-os style menus option in gconf anywhere?03:52
_Hiro_if you mount a cd does it still create a desktop cd icon?03:52
robertjHiro: nope03:52
_Hiro_oh :(03:52
[Scizo] _Hiro_, but it automounts and opens a new window with the cd contents :D03:53
[Scizo] even works for my 2.5" USB2 disk03:53
_Hiro_yeah yeah I know what it's supposed to do :/03:53
_Hiro_7/10 gnome crashes at that point03:53
_Hiro_I always disabled that with fedora and the other distro with which I had gnome-volume-manager03:54
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robertjjdub: the top-menu in Gnome manages to be a waste of space for average users03:54
[Scizo] _Hiro_, because fedora uses some %"#"# mount dmon of their own03:54
_Hiro_and I like the icon for its eject capability, nothing much else 03:54
Kamionneill: a daily build should fix that, I think; I arranged for it to detect sata_nv properly03:54
_Hiro_[Scizo] , I'm more convinced that it's the hardware :/  a shuttle SS40G03:54
neillKamion: ok. Where can you get daily builds from?03:55
Deft_u_Hiro_, you can add drive icons to the desktop independently of home and computer or whatever, it's in App/Nautilus/Desktop in gconf03:55
Kamionrobertj: the current artwork isn't final, you'll be glad to hear03:55
Kamionneill: I posted links to ubuntu-users last night03:55
[Scizo] _Hiro_, i tried the redhat gnome mount thingy out on a box i setup for some newbs ... crashed 8/10 times, the rest of the times it wouldn't unmount03:55
robertjKamion: yeah, I know. I don't mind it except for the color03:55
_Hiro_ah, nice. I didn't knew that, thx Deft_u 03:55
Kamionneill: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/cdimage/daily/current/, rsync access also available03:55
robertjScizo: Works fine in Core 203:55
Kamionno torrents as yet03:55
_Hiro_if only supermount would work :P03:56
robertjIts in Ubuntu as well03:56
robertjHiro: umm, what?03:56
[Scizo] _Hiro_, so they got a few nice cd mount icons in their toolbar instead03:56
_Hiro_you know, supermount, the kernel option03:56
robertjHiro: thats old news03:56
robertjout of date03:56
[Scizo] robertj, well .. this was just around the time that FC1 was about to be released03:56
robertjhal/dbus does that in a non-broken fashon in Fc2 and Ubuntu03:57
[Scizo] besides . FC is rpm based *shudders*03:57
jdubrobertj: hrm, not sure that's true03:57
robertjand you can bet your bottom dollar that it will appear in the next major revision of every distro shipping 2.6 as default03:57
Kamionok, I so need a wireless card in the amd64 box03:57
robertjjdub: really?03:57
_Hiro_:/03:57
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_Hiro_<3 umounting on tap of button03:57
jdubrobertj: wrt top menu being a waste of space03:57
robertjjdub: ohh03:57
robertjUnless you are running half a bajillion applets it seems like you have a bunch of unused screen realestate03:58
[Scizo] no .. bottom toolbar is a waste of space .. first thing i do is move the window [list|switcher]  to the top toolbar and remove the bottom one :)03:58
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jdub[Scizo] : (mmm, i actually remove the window switcher along with the panel)03:59
robertjGawsh, once composite hits standard i'm sure the bottom bar is going away for alot of people03:59
[Scizo] nice touch to include firefox as the default browser03:59
_Hiro_jdub but what if you minimize a window?04:00
jdub_Hiro_: i don't :-)04:00
robertjalt+tab ;)04:00
az[a] zelshould have a dock like OS X :D04:00
Deft_uI make the top bar autohide so I only have the bottom one on the screen most of the time04:00
[Scizo] jdub, naah .. i keep the workspace switcher ... ws1 for terminals and xchat, ws2 for evolution, ws3 for browser, ws4 for komodo and/or anjuta04:00
tsenghmm04:00
robertjthe Dock is a good idea but with the panel it become needless04:00
tsengthe industrial trash icon totally doesnt work with the trash applet04:00
jdubtseng: yeah, there's a bug in the icon usage there atm04:01
neillwow. that was painless.04:01
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_Hiro_o could anyone check for me wether there is an openvpn package?04:01
[Scizo] tseng, hmm ... you have a point .. no trash icon on my desktop .. i wonder where i'll find that now04:01
_Hiro_I suppose there is04:01
tseng[Scizo] : on the panel04:01
tsengtrash applet04:01
tsenglike osx04:01
jdub[Scizo] : bottom panel, on the right04:01
[Scizo] _Hiro_, there is .. not sure if it's in universe though04:01
robertjI understand its OS X like but it seems like it should be under Computer04:01
[Scizo] jdub, the bottom panel i deleted as the first thing :)04:02
jdub[Scizo] : add the trash applet to your top panel04:02
robertjunder Desktop04:02
_Hiro_ok great, I prefer to keep 'within the system' as opposed to compiling a lot of seperate packages from source :)04:02
jdub[Scizo] : i put it at the top right :)04:02
_Hiro_is there bootsplash support ?04:02
[Scizo] i really love how gnome is getting closer to OS X with every release04:02
az[a] zelwith a lot of laptops going wide screen these days.. it's good to have the panel on the left or right I reckon.. on OS X I have the dock on the left hand side04:02
robertjScizo: it's really not04:02
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Deft_udeoes anyone else have lots of blank lines in system monitor? they seem to be where the kernel events processes should be04:03
Kamionlosing the bottom panel is definitely a win on smaller laptop screens04:03
[Scizo] robertj, it is .. but in it's own gnome way :)04:03
az[a] zelnah gnome still isn't like OS X.. it is in some ways, like the instant apply stuff, and the button ordering04:03
robertjI wish Gnome would team up with the EFF to take on spring-loaded folders04:03
[Scizo] well .. the gnome panel is a lot more usefull than the OS X panel04:03
Kamionneill: with a daily build?04:03
jdubDeft_u: yes, known bug04:03
az[a] zelbut it's like windows in other ways, like the tree menu for applications04:03
robertjOS X file navigation is a wonderful blend of browse & spatial04:03
[Scizo] and takes a lot less space04:03
az[a] zelyeah it would be great if nautilus worked like finder 04:04
[Scizo] robertj, az[a] zel : and then again .. not04:04
_Hiro_the ubuntu 6 month release cycle, does it mean that the repository of packages is frozen and every 6 months new tested ones are added?04:04
az[a] zeland if ejectable media had an eject icon embedded in the media icon (since pressing the eject button the cdrom doesnt work)04:04
robertjThe #1 (one, 1, uno) thing Gnome needs to do is take the bookmarks from FileOpen and stick them on the left hand bar for drag and open targets04:05
Kamion_Hiro_: fairly soon we'll open up hoary, which will be a development repository until it freezes; you'll be able to track it while it's in development04:05
robertj"That's not spatial," but it sure is useful.04:05
Deft_uaz[a] zel, right click, eject...04:05
_Hiro_Kamion, but for instance if you have gaiml 1.0.0 in the repos and a month later they release 1.0.1, what happens? you need to wait another 5 months?04:06
az[a] zelDeft_u, I've watched my g/f use the computer, and I don't think I have *ever* seen her right click, or command->click in OS X.. sticking the eject button on the icon makes it more obvious for those people04:06
Kamionalso, losing the bottom panel means you dodge the annoying bug #1288 ... :)04:06
Deft_uaz[a] zel, ah, isee the problem there...04:06
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Kamion_Hiro_: that'll go into the current development suite04:06
_Hiro_ah nice04:06
Kamione.g. hoary in this case04:06
robertjaz: it's also helpful for pointing out the burn button to people04:07
_Hiro_so... does k3b work on ubuntu? :P04:07
jdub_Hiro_: you can install it from universe, yes04:07
robertjin 10.3 when you put in a CD-R it has the little burn icon on the disk04:07
Kamion_Hiro_: it's in universe04:07
_Hiro_woohoo :D04:07
az[a] zelI think there really isn't a need for a CD burning application..... there should be a burning API, so any app that wants to burn to CD can do so in its own interface04:08
neillKamion: don't think it's daily04:08
Kamion_Hiro_: not what you might call heavily tested, though; it only became installable a couple of days ago04:08
az[a] zelfor burning files, just use nautilus04:08
neillKamion: it's the default amd64 iso04:08
robertjIf empty trash is under file, why isn't eject CC04:08
_Hiro_Kamion, well I just need a little something to burn dvdr, k3b did that fine before :)04:08
robertjerr Eject CD04:08
Kamionneill: fair enough; if you get a chance to give a current daily a try at some point to make sure it detects the disks properly (you don't have to do a full installation, just run up to partitioning), I'd appreciate it04:08
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jdub_Hiro_: nautilus will do that for you :-)04:08
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robertjFrom a usability standpoint the Computer Menu probably isn't so great.04:09
_Hiro_are the audio-channels unmuted by default on install? o_O   ;)04:09
robertjIn 10.2, people never use the Go menu, which is similar04:09
jdubwe'll be making a couple of changes to it04:09
Kamion_Hiro_: supposed to be, I think there may still be a few bugs on some systems04:09
az[a] zelI've never used the go menu04:09
_Hiro_wooh :P04:10
az[a] zelI like the sidebar in finder04:10
robertjPeople respond much better to "Click the smiley face," after which they see most of the thigns that used to be in the Go Menu04:10
_Hiro_I'm going to feel spoiled04:10
robertjalso in 10.3 command-U opens utilties ;)04:10
az[a] zela decent sidebar for accessing things quickly would be good for nautilus.. it can display common locations as well as mounted volumes... like Finder :)04:10
_Hiro_too bad about mono, I use muine currently04:10
jdub_Hiro_: tseng has a repo of updated mono stuff04:11
robertjThe Places menu needs to play nice with the Computer & File Dialogs04:11
jdub_Hiro_: we may include mono in our next release04:11
_Hiro_rhythmbox tends to fail for me... or is it gstreamer :/04:11
toothpickmy java is working with opera...but not firefox yet04:11
_Hiro_that would be nice :)04:11
az[a] zelthe new gnome file dialogs have a sidebar of common locations.. but nautilus doesn't.. why not use the same concept for all file management?04:11
_Hiro_will there be a forum on the website?04:11
_Hiro_you see, I use gentoo right now (don't hit me m'kay :s ) and their forum is great for finding solutions to problems04:12
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robertj:)04:13
robertjBig flops in OS X usability are the Documents, Movies, Music, and Pictures directories04:14
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robertj~ 50% split things randomly between desktop and Documents, 25% pick one or the other (usually the desktop) and a very few put things in the proper places04:15
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robertjMy Desktop tends to be a collection of PDF's that I haven't gotten around to trashing yet and .tgz/bin images and their contents (usually relating to various install programs)04:17
Deft_urobertj, Ubuntu has sort of has a Documents folder, so if you could come up with a bug/something that could well be useful...04:17
robertjThe point being is that Documents folders really don't work that well04:17
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robertjAlso in OS X, noone has any clue what the Library is for04:17
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trukulosorry04:17
trukulonick problems here04:17
robertjThe world would be a better place if there was ~ and ~/Settings04:18
Deft_udamn right, that was big in plan for a new distro04:18
Deft_uno more .folders all over the place04:18
Kamionurgh, ~/Settings is bong04:18
Kamion.files are my friends04:19
robertjKamion: but not your average user04:19
Kamionthe average user doesn't edit settings files directly04:19
Kamionfor the rest of us, Ubuntu is still Unix ...04:19
robertjAfter years and years we could probably teach users to rename the settings folder of misbehaving applications to keep them from randomly crashing04:19
Kamion_Hiro_: we will be doing fora, yes04:20
robertjKamion: Your average user has applications that crash because their Library/dot file/registry keys are wrong04:20
Kamionrobertj: they should report them as bugs :-)04:20
Deft_uhttp://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~psh103/distro/tree.html is my very improbable future04:20
Kamionapplications shouldn't crash, full stop04:20
robertjKamion: which is all well and good, except for the fact they do04:20
robertjand were not talking little applications04:20
robertjwere talking Office X, Safari, major apps04:20
robertjand OSS apps will crash too04:20
Kamionrobertj: dotfile problems are a relatively rare cause for that in UNix04:21
KamionUnix04:21
Kamionthe right answer is to fix the bugs, not to give up04:21
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robertjKamion: The right answer is to do both04:21
pestilencecould somebody explain how i get the oss compatibility drivers to load automatically in ubuntu?04:21
robertjAlso, a rare few individuals do manage to use ~/Library/Fonts04:22
david_hi everyone04:22
Kamionrobertj: disagree04:22
pestilencei've tried putting lines in /etc/modutils/alsa-base but it does nothing04:22
Deft_upestilence, thry probably are, does you volume control not show two sets of mixers?04:22
Kamion"rename your settings folder" leaves a very bad taste in users' mouths04:22
pestilenceDeft_u: there's no /dev/dsp, which is the problem04:22
robertjIt also leaves a very bad taste to have an application crash that they can't fix04:22
Kamionit should never be a proffered solution04:22
pestilenceDeft_u: snd-pcm-oss04:23
pestilenceis not loaded04:23
Deft_upestilence, does modprobe snd_pcm_oss produce errors?04:23
pestilenceDeft_u: no04:23
pestilenceand everything works fine after i do that....i just need to get that module loaded automatically04:25
Deft_uok, quick fix is to add it /etc/modules then, just add that name on a line of the file by itself04:25
pestilencethere is a line in /usr/share/doc/udev/README.Debian that tells me a about it04:25
pestilencebut i did what it says, and that didn't help04:25
robertjpestilence: you need to add it to one of the files in /etc/modules and then run a program04:26
robertjwhich rebuilds the system file actually read by the system04:26
pestilencei did that04:26
pestilencei put it in /etc/modutils/alsa-base04:26
pestilenceand ran update-modules04:26
robertjthen check the /etc/modules file and see if the line you need is actually in there04:26
robertjmight also check to see if it has been blacklisted04:27
pestilencein /etc/hotplug/blacklist?04:27
david_I need some help, could anyone help me out?04:27
david_just a simple question04:27
robertjdavid: sure04:27
Deft_usomeone will try04:27
jdubdavid_: that's what we're here for, ask straight up :)04:27
david_its about the root account04:28
robertjsudo -s passwd root04:28
david_i read the documentation04:28
jdubdavid_: it's disabled :-)04:28
robertj;)04:28
jdubrobertj: no, don't encourage that.04:28
david_ok, im gonna try it04:28
david_thanks04:28
jdubdavid_: don't do that04:28
robertjjdub: hehe ;)04:28
jdubdavid_: try using sudo04:28
jdubdavid_: and ignoring the root account04:28
david_don't work :(04:29
jdubwhat doesn't work?04:29
david_sudo -s passwd root04:29
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robertjerr doh04:29
robertjtake out the -s04:29
robertjsudo -s gives you a shell as root04:30
pestilenceso, does ubuntu use /etc/modprobe at all?  from the documentation it sounds like there was a switch from /etc/modules.conf to it in the 2.6 version of module-init-tools, but the file is empty04:30
jdubdavid_: don't set the root password04:30
jdubdavid_: you don't need to04:30
david_nothing, doesen't work04:30
david_any alternative?04:30
scaroodavid_, use "sudo your_cmd"04:30
jdubdavid_: the first user on the system has sudo rights04:31
scarooto exec the your_cmd  prog as root04:31
jdubdavid_: so for anything you need to do as root, type "sudo <command>"04:31
jdubdavid_: and type *your* password04:31
david_but it asks me for a passwd04:31
jdubyours :)04:31
david_oh04:31
david_ok, thanks04:31
robertj*fwap*04:31
robertj;)04:31
david_im such a dumb04:31
jdubdavid_: nah, it's a bit different :)04:31
david_thanks anyway04:32
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david_nice people here04:32
hermes88can anyone tell me how to change runlevel to 2?04:32
hermes88I can't get telinit to work04:32
cybrjackle|lappydefault is 204:32
SeTh_thE_SinNeRjdub need some more help04:33
hermes88eh, well how to I exit x?  I'm trying to install nvidia drivers04:33
pestilence/etc/init.d/gdm restart04:33
hermes88i've never used a debian distro before04:33
pestilenceor stop :)04:33
cybrjackle|lappyctrl +alt +F104:33
cybrjackle|lappyps -ef |grep gdm04:33
cybrjackle|lappykill -9 pid04:33
jdubhermes88: listen to pestilence :)04:34
cybrjackle|lappycould be better ways ;)04:34
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robertjhehe we should have a prettypleaseletmeout command04:34
SeTh_thE_SinNeRI get this error when using rhythmbox: "OSS device "/dev/dsp" is already in use by another program."04:34
Deft_ufroma console, sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop04:35
Samelimepis has console login as an option in kdm04:35
scarooSeTh_thE_SinNeR, is esd running ?04:35
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Sameliwhich is nice IMHO04:35
SeTh_thE_SinNeRscaroo yes04:35
Kamiongdm should have a "shut down graphical environment and go to console" button on the greeter04:35
SeTh_thE_SinNeRseth@devil ~ $ lsof | grep /dev/dsp04:35
SeTh_thE_SinNeResd       4321       seth    5w   CHR       14,3              6897 /dev/dsp04:35
Kamionthe question of how to do it is *so* frequently asked04:35
robertjIt shouldn't be used that much04:36
jdubKamion: hrm04:36
Kamionrobertj: in real life it is, though04:36
robertjNot for joe schmoe04:36
Kamionpeople ask for it at least twice a day just in the places I read04:36
pestilencewhat is the advantage of using invoke-rc.d over just typing in the path to the script?04:36
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Deft_upestilence, I have no idea, but debian told me to...04:36
jdubKamion: you don't tend to read knitting group lists though, to be fair :)04:37
SeTh_thE_SinNeRi'll be watin' here for some help04:37
scarooSeTh_thE_SinNeR: ok, the problem is, i think, that esd has a lock on /dev/dsp, so you rtb cannot write to it 04:37
Kamionjdub: my girlfriend reads knitting group lists and still often switches to a console when using Unix systems, so there :)04:37
pestilenceDeft_u: it has roughly the same number of keystrokes, so i guess it must be personal preference :)04:37
SeTh_thE_SinNeRscaroo if it is, how can the sound events be played??04:38
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jdubKamion: i'd try to claim my fiancee doesn't switch to consoles, but... well... yeah.04:38
robertjOS X doesn't require using the console but once in a blue moon04:38
Deft_ujdub, is esound planned to stay? alsa recommend dmix these days I think04:38
jdubDeft_u: we don't actually run esound on startup04:39
scarooSeTh_thE_SinNeR, esd is the daemon that plays the sound events04:39
jdubDeft_u: if we can autoconfigure dmix, that'd be rad04:39
jdubDeft_u: but thus far, that seems almost impossible ;)04:39
SeTh_thE_SinNeRok, but should it play also music files?04:39
Deft_ujdub, well, I've only ever used one config and it seemed to work, guess I might look into it.  My main comp has an SBLive though, so I haven't thought about it much04:39
Kamionjdub: :-)04:40
scarooSeTh_thE_SinNeR, launch gstreamer-properties04:40
scaroothen choose the esd output sink04:40
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SeTh_thE_SinNeRaaaahhh04:40
jdubDeft_u: yeah, let's just give everyone good sound cards ;)04:40
scarooi think it will fix it04:40
SeTh_thE_SinNeRthat's what i was looking for04:40
SeTh_thE_SinNeRty04:40
Kamionjdub: I think your fiancee might not count so much as an ordinary user :-)04:40
scaroonp04:41
scarooSeTh_thE_SinNeR, is it working ?04:41
SeTh_thE_SinNeRyup04:41
scaroocool !04:41
SeTh_thE_SinNeRi knew what i had to do04:41
SeTh_thE_SinNeRbut couldn't find that04:41
SeTh_thE_SinNeRoss to esd04:42
SeTh_thE_SinNeRdone04:42
scaroospeaking of output sink, i cannot set it to the alsa one, know issue ?04:42
Deft_uis anything bad going to happen if I remove discover?04:42
robertjhrmm, my bet is yes04:43
robertjI'd leave discover04:43
KamionDeft_u: depends how lucky you feel04:43
Kamionwe still partially rely on discover for hardware detection, as well as hotplug04:43
Deft_uwell, my debian sid works fine on just hotplug04:43
Deft_uon this hardware anyway04:43
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Kamiondidn't say it necessarily wouldn't work - like I say, depends how lucky you feel :-)04:43
toloHi to all/Hola a todos04:44
jdubestoy buscando mis pantalones!04:44
robertjChances of you losing your nic support are very low04:44
robertjworst case scenario is probably probing your nic driver back in and apt-get installing it again04:44
Deft_unic is the most basic realtek thing, it always seems to work somehow04:45
Deft_uanyway, I'll reboot to see if starting with no /etc/modules will work, back shortly I hope04:45
jdubis "chit-chat" a well known colloquialism?04:45
robertjjdub: yeah04:45
robertjwhy do you ask?04:46
jordieven I know it.04:46
robertjit's not something I would say unless it was to scold a child04:46
robertjor even an adult perhaps04:47
robertjI guess I would find it acceptable as a transative form of chat ;)04:47
jdubjordi: ahr, ok04:47
jordijdub: is it that day today?04:47
trukulohi tolo04:47
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jdubjordi: which day?04:48
tolohi trukulo04:48
jordiSPEAK LIKE PIRATE DAY!04:48
jdubjordi: yes it is!04:48
tsengyarrrrr jordi 04:48
toloeverything works fine, I am just waiting to atack JRE04:48
jordiaahrr!04:48
scaroohmmm, juste a suggestion : root shell and user shell should use different gnome-term profiles to be easily identified, just my 2cts.04:48
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robertjI'm not a big fan of the default gnome terminal profile04:49
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robertjit's not any kind of gtk control, so having it be white seems silly when traditionally consoles have been black04:49
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scaroorobertj, yeah, or maybe the colors should be in sync with the ones defined in the gtkrc04:50
robertjI think its better to be black04:51
Deft_urobertj, it should use theme colours...04:51
tolotrukulo: Do you know how often packets are updated in Universe?04:51
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robertjmaybe with a skull & crossbones on the root acct ;)04:51
trukulotolo, when it will be stable, i think 6 months04:51
trukulobut i'm not sure04:51
tolook04:51
jdubtolo: only for bugfixes before we release (but they're not high priority)04:51
trukulojdub, but only security fixes ?04:52
david_I guess they're updated pretty often, because im downloading anjuta 1.2.204:52
jdubtolo: then, on the development branch, they will be synced every day from sid04:52
trukulono newer versions?04:52
Deft_urobertl, at least on mine the "Default" profile uses theme colours...04:52
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jdubtrukulo: build fixes and so on, but not new versions04:52
trukulojdub, perfect04:52
jdubtrukulo: we are not doing security support for universe04:52
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tolojdub/trukulo, and developpment branch will be on Universe?04:52
trukulojdub, ah, ok, that's interesting (and comprehensible)04:53
trukulotolo, devel it's sid, more less04:53
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jdubtolo: hrm, no; devel branch includes main and universe04:53
scarooDeft_u, my default is just plain white with black text, whatever is my theme04:53
toloI thought the release will be with SAreg04:53
tolosarge04:53
jdubtolo: no, ubuntu is based on sid04:53
trukulotolo, ubuntu ALWAYS is being based in sid04:54
tolojdub: thx, ok04:54
siretartwill ubuntu include java environments like sun jdk oder blackdown java?04:54
trukuloso , main is supported, universe is not supported, both of them are freeze of sid04:54
jdubsiretart: potentially later on, in restricted, but we want to be as fully free as possible04:55
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trukulosiretart, i don't think so, unless they are free04:55
trukuloperhaps gjcwebplugin04:55
jdubsiretart: there's a longer answer to this in the FAQ04:55
trukulowhen it works weel04:55
trukulowell04:55
jdubyeah04:55
robertjjdub: how does Ubuntu freeze?04:55
toloNow my only TODO is to intall JRE04:55
trukulojdub, i like that way, it's very inteligent04:55
jdubrobertj: we stop syncing with sid04:56
robertjI meant in terms of timeline04:56
jdubsee the release schedules04:56
trukulojdub, umm, not exactly sid, isn't it?04:56
jdubwiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog/ReleaseSchedule04:56
jdubtrukulo: it's sid frozen a couple of months ago04:56
toloUbuntu is getting a lot of good tal at a Spanish LUG called Bulma, there are a lot of people sng Ubuntu there and saying good things04:57
trukulobecause gnome 2.8 it's not in sid, as i know04:57
jdubtrukulo: yeah, there are some extra things we do04:57
trukulotolo, and badopi04:57
jdubtolo: cool :-)04:57
jdubtolo: do you know carlos perello marin?04:57
siretartjdub: i think you refer to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387. well, how can I check (beside installing ubuntu) whats ins restricted?04:57
trukulotolo, are you bulmero?04:57
toloSolo de visita04:57
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jdubsiretart: you can just look at the archive :-)04:58
robertjjdub: is that different from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/releasecycle/document_view04:58
trukulojdub, are you spanish?04:58
jdubtrukulo: no04:58
tolotrukul I am at Palma, and I am at the distribution list04:58
trukuloah, ok, but you like spanish04:58
jdubtrukulo: but i have been to spain for guadec :)04:58
tolobut I don't go to kdd04:58
jduband i can speak some spanish04:58
trukulotolo, i'm trukulo, i was on distribution list, and know i'm in badopi, in barcelona04:58
trukulojdub, i never go to conferences, i'm very busy in my work04:59
jdubestoy buscando mis pantalones :-)04:59
trukulojdub, preguntale a tu novio si los tiene04:59
trukulolol04:59
siretartjdub: gna, i'm looking for something like http://packages.debian.org04:59
tolotrukulo: I will be at BCN on friday, work meeting, you will feel my Ubuntu there :D04:59
jdubsiretart: oh right, not yet04:59
trukuloon next friday? where ?04:59
trukuloperhaps we can make a kdd05:00
trukuloi can tell to badopi ppl, and go to a bar05:00
tolotrukulo I am a lawyer working fo a firm in the Diagonal, I work in the Palma Ofiice and regularly we report to the branch in BCN05:00
tolotrukulo, Will be great, as the clients let me go.... :D05:01
trukulotolo, umm, that's difficult :P05:01
tolotrukulo, Sure I will love it05:01
trukulowell, i live in sagrada familia, near diagonal05:01
trukuloif you want, tell me in trukulo(at)bulmalug.net , jabber05:01
tolotrukulo, difficult because you know now I am a lawyer and don't want your good name wasted? :D05:02
robertjjdub: also, does ubuntu have any way to warn users to apply updates?05:02
trukuloand perhaps celso is here in bcn05:02
trukulotolo, i'm used to lawyers, do you know javier de la cueva?05:02
trukuloit's badopi member05:03
trukulowel, time to lunch05:03
trukulosee you later here05:03
trukulobye05:03
jdubrobertj: nup, will do for hoary05:03
tolotrukulo, will get the flight tickets on monday so I will let you know05:03
tolobye05:03
trukulook05:03
jdubKamion: hey, how hackish is the scrollkeeper diversion during install?05:03
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jdubKamion: could we do the same with other things easily enough?05:03
maswanthom: Glad it helped (the bittorrent scripts). I guess this is the appropriate channel. ;)05:03
andredHow do you remove an icon for a a server that you have connected to in Network? Such as a WebDav connection, or ssh connection.05:05
jdubandred: we have a bugfix coming for that soon05:05
andredAha05:05
robertjjdub: I must be looking at the wrong thing as I am still confused about the release timeline05:05
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jdubrobertj: what's unclear?05:05
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jdubwiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog/ReleaseSchedule05:06
andredjdub, Will it work to drag it to the Trash applet then?05:06
jdub^ looking at that?05:06
ccjdub: so, where's planet canonical? ;-)05:06
jdubandred: no, gnome doesn't do unmount-by-trashing05:06
jdubcc: planet ubuntu is on the wya05:07
ccjdub: ok. just checking05:07
Deft_uandred, hopefully you can just right click and select unmount05:07
jdubnot on those icons05:07
jdub(yet)05:07
robertjjdub: like is freeze done 6 months out?05:08
cybrjackle|lappydoes debian not have an /etc/rc.d/rc.local anymore?05:09
cybrjackle|lappyor is that ubuntu specific05:09
jdubrobertj: no, see the UpstreamVersionFreeze05:09
Deft_ucybrjackle|lappy, debian doesn't have /etc/rc.d/ at all05:11
toloFor ripping in mp3 and ogg, do you recomend GRIP or o you know of a better app?05:11
robertjjdub: yeah, that's what I'm after05:11
robertjis that date listed anywhere for warty yet?05:12
robertjor has it already occured05:12
Livewire|GRIP-age is the way forward05:12
Livewire|its a good p[rog if u config it05:12
Deft_utolo, if it does what you want, soundjuicer is just about as easy to use as it could be05:12
toloDeft_u and does ogg ad mp3?05:12
cybrjackle|lappyDeft_u, I thought they used to, oh well05:12
Livewire|tolo have u tried the FLAC codec?05:13
Livewire|lossless audio ;)05:13
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maswanthom: If you have improvements, feel free to send them back. If they end up fairly general, I might put them up somewhere public and slap a license onto it or something like that.05:13
toloLivewire, No i don't, have not heard about it, but on the car I have and mp3 cd05:14
dokoevolution question: is there a way to run the filters on mailboxes which are located on an imap server, for every mail that gets delivered to the Imap INBOX folder?05:14
toloI start soundjiucer, but does not seem to have support fr mp3, will investigate that05:14
Livewire|http://flac.sourceforge.net/ Tolo check it out .. it may not be of any use to u.. but its a damn good codec05:15
jdubtolo: sound-juicer! :)05:15
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tolojdub, yes but MP3 is diabled in my computer under SoundJuice05:15
jdubdoko: yes, you turn that on in the accounts settings05:15
toloWill inestigate why05:15
jdubtolo: oh right05:15
jdubbecause we don't include mp3 encoders or decoders05:15
jdublegal reasons05:15
tolojdub but i am hearing an mp3 cd with rythmbox right now05:16
jdubgstreamer-mad is installed :)05:16
toloCeltic Sounds of the Middle Earth a very good album05:17
jdub(that's a bit of a bug, really)05:17
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tolojdub es05:17
hermes88hey, how do I quit X?  I'm trying to install Nvidia drivers05:17
tolojdub I thank for taht bug :D05:17
[Scizo] hmm .. no divx support in totem ?!?!?05:18
jdubhermes88: computer -> log out05:18
jdub[Scizo] : not as installed. install totem-xine.05:18
hermes88that takes me back to the login screen05:18
jdubhermes88: /etc/init.d/gdm restart05:18
hermes88ok, thanks05:18
[Scizo] jdub, ah thanks05:18
tolojdub, Can I install mpg123?05:18
dokojdub: nice, thanks. time to switch from firefox ...05:18
toloohh my god, so I can use flac in any normal mp3 player?05:20
Livewire|no tolo..05:20
Livewire|no portables supportt it AFAIK05:20
Deft_ujdub, SoundJuicer still has an old file selecter in it, is that allowed in ubuntu?05:20
Livewire|its good on the computer though05:20
Livewire|if u have a top end soundcard05:21
Livewire|and plenty of HD space05:21
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toloLiveWire Ok thx will try05:21
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Livewire|theres a Grip plug in somewhere05:21
Livewire|btw average track takes up about 20-30mb05:21
Livewire|albums can take up about 300mb05:22
Livewire|in flac05:22
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hermes88I have another question..  how do I log in as root through the terminal?  I need to be root to install the Nvidia drivers05:22
hermes88sorry, i've never used a Debian distro before05:23
toloso I ca change repository to any Debian and install mpg123, this will be linked in Soundjiuce automatically?05:23
Deft_uhermes88, the root account it disabled, you either use sudo before every command, or run sudo bash for a root prompt05:23
ChrifferThe root terminas option from the menu should do it05:23
tolohermes88 As I remember from Universe you can install nvidia drivers05:23
scaroohermes88, "sudo <cmd>, you ll be ask for a password, put youjr user's pass and you re done05:23
keiferspeaking of loging in, I need to be able to run gdm in a nested window...05:23
hermes88ok, thanks guys05:24
hermes88I'll try it out05:24
hermes88also, once I have exited X, how do I restart it?05:24
Deft_ukeifer, you need xnest05:24
tolohermes88 but I am not completely sure, alot of install since yesterday night05:24
keiferDeft_u: thnx05:24
hermes88tolo yeah, I just installed this last night..  the only other distro I have used is Cobind Linux05:25
hermes88I'll try and install drivers right now05:25
scaroohermes88, by default, if you quit a sesion, you should go back to the gdm prompt05:25
keiferif you manged to completly kill X, you can just type "gdm"05:25
scaroos/sesion/session/05:25
hermes88keifer thanks a lot05:25
tolohermes88 I have used Suse, RH and some Debian, and I will stick to Ubuntu, I really like it05:25
hermes88tolo I've used Red Had and Fedora briefly and I didn't like them.. too bloated05:26
hermes88thanks for all the help guys, I'll go try and install the drivers now05:26
keiferyeah, Ubuntu is great- the only problem is, it has a current GDM, so know cfg is going to make me update my gdm themes. :P05:26
jonathan_jDid someone try to type japanese in Ubuntu?05:27
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jonathan_jI think SCIM should do that somehow but I have no idea how to use it.05:28
albert001122hi guys - i have installed ubuntu and have dist-upgraded to current sid.  Now I want to install KDE.  Will #apt-get install kde do it? or do i need any thing extra before i do that?05:28
bolivaryou need to add the universe repository to sources.list05:30
albert001122bolivar, what is universe repository?05:30
SeTh_thE_SinNeRah btw05:30
scarooalbert001122, you ll find there all the unsupported packages05:31
SeTh_thE_SinNeRubuntu doesn't have a splash img for the grub ?05:31
albert001122scaroo, kan i just install kde by doing apt-get install kde?05:31
Deft_ualbert001122, from synaptic, go to the preferences / Repositories menu05:31
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albert001122as i said i have dist-upgraded to current sid05:31
hermes88guys, I'm really lost as to how to install nvidia drivers05:31
hermes88I did ctrl-alt-F1 and logged into my user05:32
hermes88then I did sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux...etc.run05:32
cefalbert001122: erm, why are you asking here if you've upgraded to sid?05:32
hermes88the installer started, but it said X was still running05:32
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albert001122cef, yeah u r right05:32
Deft_uhermes88, the nvidia driver is in apt archive05:33
hermes88how would I go about getting it?  I can't find the search function on apt-get05:33
bolivaralbert001122: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view05:33
Deft_uthat's the easy way, it's linux...restricted something or other, just search for restricted in synaptic05:33
hermes88Deft_u how do I search in apt-get??  I can't find the command05:34
Deft_uhermes88, run the synaptic package manager05:34
Chrifferuse the graphical program05:34
Chrifferor apt-cache search05:34
jscor apt-cache search nvidia05:34
jsc:)05:34
Deft_uthe package is linux-restricted-modules-yourkernelversion05:34
hermes88Deft_u I'm in the synaptic package manager, and I've found several nvidia entries05:35
hermes88Deft_u should I get nvidia-glx?05:35
Deft_uignroe them, just get the restricted modules package, it'll ge you all the things you need05:35
hermes88I think I already have it installed for 38605:36
Deft_uactually, you might need to select nvidia-glx separately as well...05:36
hermes88Deft_u I alrady have restricted-modules installed05:37
hermes88Deft_u after installing nvidia-glx, do I have to make changes to etc/X11?05:37
Deft_uok, then you just need to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8605:37
Deft_uselect nvidia as your driver, unselect glx and dri (?!) in the modules list thing, and accept everything else as it is05:38
scarooyep dri should be disabled05:38
_Hiro_you glx for nvidia and dri for ati05:38
hermes88thanks, i'l give this a try and come back if I have problems05:38
Deft_uone thing first05:38
hermes88ok05:39
cybrjackle|lappylinux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-2-686-smp05:39
Deft_uwhen you next reboot, x migh tnot start, i that happens you need to add the line "nvidia" to your /etc/modules file and reboot again05:39
cybrjackle|lappy^anyone have to remove/install that everytime they reboot05:39
_Hiro_still /etc/modules?05:40
cybrjackle|lappyfor "nvidia"05:40
hermes88also..  why do two terminal windows open when I right-click and select "Open Terminal"?05:40
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Sameliwould it be possible/difficult to install ubuntu from an existing Linux installation?05:54
bolivaryes it would05:55
ChrifferPossible yes, difficult maybe, worthwhile doubtful05:55
bolivarits not even 'recommended' to upgrade from a debian install05:55
SameliI don't mean to upgrade, I'd just rather not waste CDs if it's avoidable :)05:56
bolivarjust one iso : )05:57
SameliI know :>05:57
bolivaroh come now sameli hehe05:57
bolivarwhat are you running now?05:57
Sameliright now W2K, last night I installed Debian sarge05:58
bolivardual boot then?05:58
Sameliyes05:58
bolivaronly been one day...install over top05:59
SameliI've got enough free space, not sure if I'll be wanting to ditch Debian just yet06:00
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bolivarwhys that?06:00
Sameliit has issues, but it works06:03
bolivarive was messing around with debian lately because of the beta installer...didnt like the old one...ubuntu is more stable and works better than installing sarge from the beta installer06:04
bolivari dont think you will be disappointed06:05
ChrifferI was using sarge on this computer before Ubuntu06:05
Samelihaven't had any problems with it yet, apart from the usual stumbling blocks like sound and fonts06:06
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fabbionehey laotse !06:13
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Jayhello africa, u guys now have a new follower ;)06:14
JayI now drop Fedora CORE 2 for Ubutu06:15
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Jayhope Ubutu get better in next version06:15
fabbioneJay: what don't you like in the actual one?06:15
fabbioneJay: any feedback is really welcome06:15
fabbionebut i suggest you to write it down and post it to ubuntu-users mailing list06:15
JayFedora CORE 2 is somehow perfect for strong computer indeed06:15
Jaybut the only thing I hate at Fedora CORE 2 is its confusion within the dev team06:16
Jayfor example06:16
Jaythere are some simple bugs that could be fixed instantly06:16
Jaymany ppl submitted the report but the bug is still there since RedHat 806:16
Jayand ... there are lots of bugs due to bad cooperation b/w developers especially on X.org06:17
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fabbionewell I think that kind of problems are common to all communities. I hope it won't happen here..06:17
JayI hope so06:17
fabbionebut time will tell06:17
Jaybut I love Ubutu by first sight06:17
toothpickI had to install aumix was there another way to change volume of my line in?06:17
ChrifferFC is also terrible slow06:17
Jaynice work!06:17
Jaytrue FC is slow on low speed PC06:18
Jaybut it runs very well on 3Ghz P4 :)06:18
Jaybut not many ppl can afford it lol06:18
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JayI have a feedback on Ubutu06:18
fabbioneJay: good.. do you mind to send it to the list?06:19
Jayyeah06:19
FrozenAimHi, what is the default root password in Ubuntu???06:19
Jaylet me write the thing up06:19
fabbioneJay: at least all the developers can read and take appropriate actions06:19
Jayand I send to u06:19
fabbioneJay: not to me personally please..06:19
JayI know06:19
SeTh_thE_SinNeRdoes anyone knows a program to convert mp3 - mp306:19
fabbioneok thanks :-)06:19
fabbionenot that many do :-)06:19
SeTh_thE_SinNeR(to reduce mp3 quality)06:19
robertjcp06:19
takatumiheh06:20
JayThe only thing all ppl are seeking about Ubuntu is the PACKAGE LIST06:20
Jayy don't we have one on the website?06:20
SameliFrozenAim: the root account is disabled06:20
FrozenAimreally...06:20
FrozenAimhow can I enable it06:21
SameliFrozenAim: don't, use sudo06:21
toothpickI'm getting errors while trying to apt-get upgrade with hal and j2re1.406:21
fabbionetoothpick: which kind of errors?06:21
Jaytoothpick: there are some probs with apt-get j2re06:21
toothpickupdate-alternatives: unable to make /usr/lib/mozilla-cvs/plugins/javaplugin_oji. so.dpkg-tmp a symlink to /etc/alternatives/javaplugin_oji-mozilla-cvs.so: No suc h file or directory06:21
fabbioneI have both of them installed06:21
Jaytoothpick: grab the version from Sun website06:22
fabbionetoothpick: no that's not a hal problem06:22
fabbionethat's an error with java06:22
Livewire-BTW why was the root disable in Ubuntu? i dont understand the advantage06:22
fabbionedeb http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian ./06:22
Jaysame here06:22
fabbioneuse this apt repo for a good java package06:22
JayI hate use sudo06:22
Jaymaybe for testing purpose?06:22
seb128sudo passwd root06:22
ChrifferIt takes 2 secands to change if you want to06:23
ChrifferI find it easier no use sudo06:23
Jayyeah? show me06:23
toothpickn does not exist             [fail] 06:23
toothpickrun-parts: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/hal exited with return code 106:23
toothpickinvoke-rc.d: initscript dbus-1, action "restart" failed.06:23
toothpickdpkg: error processing hal (--configure):06:23
toothpick subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 106:23
toothpickSetting up j2re1.4 (1.4.0.99beta-1) ...06:23
JanneMby disabling real root, yoy do not run the risk of accidentally running commands as root when you did not intend to06:23
toothpicksorry for the flood that was the hal error06:23
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fabbioneJay: seb128 told you.... sudo passwd root06:23
seb128toothpick: <toothpick> n does not exist             [fail]   06:24
fabbioneJay: and root account is back06:24
seb128toothpick: what's the line before ?06:24
Jaytoothpick: how come j2re1.4 there is 0.99 beta? did u get wrong version? it's 1.4.2_05 now06:24
toothpickJay perhaps that is why.06:24
toothpickseb128, one sec06:24
toothpick * Starting Hardware Abstraction Layer...06:25
toothpick *:22:54.692 [E]  hald.c:268: drop_privileges: group haldaemon does not exist             [fail] 06:25
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seb128toothpick: that's a fresh ubuntu installation ?06:26
laotsefabbione: hey man06:26
JayI think Ubuntu can be very successful more than other distro if the marketing part is good06:28
toothpickseb128, well I added sid sources and did apt-get upgrade06:28
Jaywe need to promote the Ubuntu, current giving CD away for FREE is a good way too06:29
Jaybut we now need to impress ppl by first sight, I think we need to redesign the website, just look some website like redhat.com06:29
toothpickseb128, for example crafty wasn't available via the sources provided so I just added sid's from debian.06:29
_Hiro_is there anyway I can download a package before installing ubuntu? I'd prefer not to mess with wires and I need the madwifi drivers and openvpn installed for that :/06:29
Jayppl first think about professionality06:29
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seb128toothpick: yes, but we made changes to hal06:30
seb128toothpick: the debian version is not compatible06:30
toothpickok06:30
sladenJay: USB flash ?06:30
seb128toothpick: in /etc/dbus-1/event.d/hal remove --drop-privileges if you want06:30
Jayyeah!! USB flash is a good idea!06:31
Jaywe need some sponsor and some talente designer to design the shell for USB Flash06:31
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Jayjust think about selling a slick and pretty special shell USB Flash06:31
Jaywe also need a MASCOT for our distro06:32
sladenJay: hehe06:32
sladen_Hiro_: USB flash /06:32
Jayand we can order some cute puppy bear toy and sell them06:32
Jaycool idea heh?06:32
SeTh_thE_SinNeRlLOL06:32
JanneMa flash stick with a ready-to-boot distro would be a little sweet actually06:33
Jaytrue true06:33
SeTh_thE_SinNeRindeed06:33
sladenyeah.  Net-install  on a 32MB/64MB flash06:33
JanneMplug in to any machine - x86 or PPC - and run06:33
_Hiro_damn don't have that :/06:33
SeTh_thE_SinNeRfollow others steps06:33
Jaybut the flash must have a good design shell!!06:33
JanneMrather, a "LiveCD", but flash, 06:33
sladenJay: and say `Hip2Bcool' on it06:33
Jaylol!06:34
_Hiro_sladen but where could I get the packages?06:34
JanneMwhere real system config changes are backed up on the flash device06:34
Chriffera bootable flash drive wouldnt be too tough06:34
JanneMbut transient stuff are ram only06:34
sladen_Hiro_: archives.ubuntulinux.org/.../pool/main/o/openvpn*/06:34
Jayyeah06:34
ChrifferJanneM, morphix can already do all that06:34
Chrifferanssuming the USB boot works right06:34
Jayok06:35
Jaythen?06:35
JanneMso, once you boot the flash device, settings of your mail accounts and so on will be updated on the device06:35
toothpickI'll play with some graphics ;) maybe I can help out there.06:35
Chrifferthat could be a 5 minute project almost06:35
toothpickI did a splash once for kanotix06:35
Jaylol06:35
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Jaythen toothpick, do a good one for ubuntu then06:35
Jayoh! It reminds me about the rise of glory RedHat 8!!!!06:35
JayWE NEED A UNIQUE THEME !!!06:36
Jaylike BlueCurve!06:36
JanneMmore like a user-updateable lieCD06:36
Jayb/c of BlueCurve, many ppl use RedHat06:36
Jayrite?06:36
JanneMBluecurve is pretty good06:36
Jayyeah06:36
tvon|X31I was never into bluecurve06:36
Jaythen now we need some talented gfx06:36
Jayhey06:36
ChrifferJanneM, there is a Ubuntu liveCD around right?06:36
sladenhas anyone done anything about getting the KDE libs in Ubuntu using the GNOME theme ?06:36
Jayhow about we make a POLL ob website06:36
Chriffermade by alex?06:36
Jayabout what things ppl like about unique theme?06:37
JanneMChriffer: think so, ye06:37
toothpickThe default terminal icon I put on the gnome desktop is too big.06:37
Jayyeah06:37
Chrifferadd the CD persisiten minimod from the morphix website to that06:37
Jaythen make POLL, collect ppl opinions06:37
Jayand design our own theme06:37
tvon|X31sladen: not that I know of...full kde support is not on the drawing board, so I'm not sure how much work anyone is going to put into the theme matching06:37
JanneMwould be a mistake to push a unique theme "just because206:37
Chrifferand you can save all the temporary files to a multisession CD06:37
Chriffertheres a hewto around06:37
Chrifferhowto06:37
JanneMthere are several good themes around06:37
JanneMuse one of them06:38
tvon|X31IMO Ubuntu should just ship SmoothGNOME, but whatevas06:38
Jayyeah06:38
JanneMmm06:38
JayI know what u means JanneM06:38
JanneMSmooth is good, though a little more HIG love is needed06:38
Jaybut let thinks about real biz here06:38
Jaya distro that live forever06:38
Jaymake ppl remember06:38
JanneM"different" != "good" when it comes to business06:38
Jayis the one that has unique thing!06:38
JanneMmay be good for the /. crowd06:39
Chrifferfor a USB stick someone would need to smash Ubuntu into 220MB or so probably06:39
Jayand RedHat has done it06:39
JayBlueCurve is the one!06:39
Jaynow06:39
Jaywe need our one06:39
Jaywe can tweak the Smooth06:39
Jaybut we need to design our icons06:39
tvon|X31I disagree, I think peple put to omuch stock in 'unique' themes06:39
JanneMJay: rehat has done it - once, as the undisputed leader, and still got a lot of heat from it06:39
tvon|X31An icon theme is a big project06:39
JanneMaim for using the Gnome default theme06:39
Jaythat's why we need some talented gfx designer06:40
Jayvolunteer one06:40
JanneMand fix problems with it and move upstream instead06:40
tvon|X31no06:40
SeTh_thE_SinNeRqnx made it to 1.44Mb06:40
tvon|X31YOu will get someone with some intereste who will develop half a theme and then lose interest06:40
SeTh_thE_SinNeR;P06:40
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JanneMmm06:40
tvon|X31JanneM: yeah06:40
Jayyou know what?06:40
JayGarret, the one done the BlueCurve06:41
JanneMI mean, that's half of being a good citizen in this field06:41
tvon|X31eg, CleanView Base (the SmoothGNOME icon theme) basically does that, but is more based off of Industrial than GNOME icons06:41
Jaysomehow he has motivation06:41
Jayon his project06:41
tvon|X31JanneM: seriously06:41
JanneMeither SMooth or Indubstrial are good choices06:41
sladentvon|X31: ah, but eventually (eg. Umbrello), something will want to pull in and use the Qt widget set06:41
Jaybut loose interest at the end06:41
JanneMwhich one is a matter of taste as much as anything06:41
sladenChriffer: liveCD on multisession CDRW sounds interesting06:42
JayOK, for now... I think we should stick with Smooth06:42
JanneMpersonally, I'm partial to LightHouseBlue, but I'm strange in many ways06:42
JanneMmm06:42
tvon|X31heh06:42
SeTh_thE_SinNeRsladen very much06:42
pepsihi06:42
JanneMgo with gnome defaults unless there are pressing reasons not to06:42
JanneMand then, consider if a patch upstream may not solve it better first06:43
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Se7hbetter now06:43
Jayyeah06:43
ChrifferMaybe I will play with some live CD's and flash based things06:43
Jaystock GNOME is good for now06:44
ChrifferIs 256MB the normal size for a flash drive?06:44
JayChriffer06:44
Jaydesign some good CD face06:44
Jayyeah06:44
ChrifferI'm not exactly the draw on a CD kind of person06:44
Jaysame here lol06:45
pepsianybody know why my keyboard doesnt work in the installer? im using a g4... the keyboard works fine in the bootloader, but then in the installer, it doesnt recognize keystrokes unless i hold the key down, and then the key sticks :(06:45
Jayhas anyone found RealPlayer 10 GOLD on Ubuntu? I think ... it's missing06:45
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ChrifferIt may be a "bug" check the bugzilla06:46
ChrifferI think that's linked in the topic06:46
Deft_udoes the linux-source package actually build?06:46
Jayyup06:46
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tbonenoob here....getting an error when running  cdrecord -scanbus          cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.    Any help?06:51
Se7hwtf06:51
Deft_uhmm, I'm sure I can't be on the right track when I have to su to my own account...06:51
Se7h+ gmake06:51
Se7h/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.99740: line 22: gmake: command not found06:51
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pepsikll06:59
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SteveA_yay, phil (whose castle the plone sprint is at) just installed ubuntu on his laptop 07:02
SteveA_and he seems very happy07:02
pepsi:(07:10
pepsi:(07:10
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PeaceableFroodhas anyone compiled Xorg 6.8 on Ubuntu?07:13
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tvon|X31yes07:14
PeaceableFroodhmm because mine failed when it got compiling pam support i believe perhaps it was because i forgot the pam-dev package07:15
tvon|X31there are instructions on fdo that work fine07:15
tvon|X31PeaceableFrood: A good way to make sure you have all the right packages intstalled for building is to install the build-deps for xserver-XFree8607:15
tvon|X31apt-get build-dep xserver-XFree8607:15
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Se7hgive an hint here plz07:16
Se7hEnter the userid that the ucc program should run as [nobody] 07:16
Se7h> 100007:16
Se7hinvalid user id07:16
Se7hwhy doesn' it accept ?07:16
tvon|X31uid == name usually07:16
Se7hah07:16
tvon|X31hence the default of [nobody] 07:16
Se7h:|07:16
PeaceableFroodah thanks07:16
tvon|X31np07:16
pepsiubuntu is broken07:17
Se7hnobody for everyone07:17
Se7hright?07:17
tvon|X31nobody is a user07:17
Se7hyeah07:17
Se7hbut in that why07:17
Se7hno pass is needed07:17
tvon|X31ah...I dont know07:17
Se7hhmm07:18
Se7hwell07:18
tvon|X31pepsi: I dont know whats up with your keyboard, try the mailing list07:18
pepsik07:19
Se7hThank you!07:20
Se7hNow, go have a coffee .. the rest of the install is automatic ......07:20
Se7h(lol)07:20
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