[12:00] <punkass_> azeem, i am trying to build it right now but it keeps saying it cant find the kernel sources
[12:01] <punkass_> azeem, it told me to link build to /usr/src/linux-x.x.x and i did that..but still the same error
[12:01] <azeem> sorry, I don't ubuntu installed anymore right now
[12:01] <punkass_> ok
[12:02] <Deft_u> punkass_, what's the exact error?
[12:03] <punkass_> Deft_u: one sec
[12:04] <kevin__> Deft_u:(punkass from laptop)make[2] : Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/ndiswrapper/driver'
[12:04] <kevin__> You don't seem to have sources for your kernel;  install them in /usr/src, link /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-2-386/build to it and try again.
[12:04] <parax> hello there!
[12:05] <cybrjackle|lappy> hi
[12:05] <keifer> yar
[12:05] <parax> this distro is really great! I've installed on a PC, and all was recognized (the first time, after Knoppix, that a Debian based distro detects all my hardware)
[12:05] <sivang> mdz : no admin allowed at the cups web interface?
[12:05] <kevin__> make[2] : *** [prereq_check]  Error 1
[12:05] <kevin__> make[2] : Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/ndiswrapper/driver'
[12:06] <parax> sivang: It seems that root account is deactivated
[12:06] <keifer> you can sudo though
[12:06] <parax> sivang: you can activate it typing "sudo passwd root"
[12:06] <parax> sivang: and typing the new password for root
[12:07] <sivang> parax : i haev already set it up :)
[12:07] <parax> keifer: yes, you can sudo, but ubuntu development team forgets to change synaptic icon, because it asks for the passwd ;)
[12:08] <keifer> ah
[12:08] <Deft> punkass, really strange that one, are you sure you have read access to them as whatever user you are compiling as?
[12:08] <seb128> mdz: here ?
[12:08] <parax> sivang: hum.. ok, I just read that message :)
[12:09] <lamont_r> Kamion: you asleep, or still awake?
[12:09] <steveb> what? no default newsreader?
[12:10] <lamont_r> steveb: good point.. :-(
[12:10] <seb128> evolution
[12:10] <kevin__> Deft: i am just running: sudo fakeroot debian/rules binary
[12:10] <lamont_r> steveb: the new generation doesn't believe in text-mode anything, it seems...
[12:11] <steveb> yeah, kinda in the old PAN habit still
[12:12] <kevin__> Deft: and i dont see any permission errors
[12:12] <parax> all applications that are not part of gnome aren't accesible through icons, like in Debian (Debian menu), are they?
[12:13] <jsubl2> steveb pan is available
[12:13] <jsubl2> apt-cache search newsreader
[12:13] <steveb> jusbl2: yeah, just gotta install it...no problem
[12:14] <Elyran> I use a NNTP as an every day basis for work, and I really like Thundebird and PAN. 
[12:14] <Elyran> In fact i prefer PAN for short thrads and Thunderbird for huge threads ...
[12:14] <Elyran> if it helps ...
[12:16] <steveb> Elyran: I'll take a look at Thunderbird, not familiar with it yet. Thnx
[12:16] <Elyran> My pleasure
[12:16] <lamont_r> mdz: found one path through the code that would produce a null myhostname - requires no networking at install time, AFAI can tell.
[12:18] <punkass_> hmm this is frusterating.. :)
[12:19] <Deft> kevin__, does normal ./configure && make work?
[12:20] <kevin__> from which directory?
[12:21] <Deft> the module source directory
[12:21] <azeem> kevin__: sudo fakeroot is bogus
[12:21] <azeem> just fakeroot should be enough
[12:21] <kevin__> oh i am just following some howto on ndiswrapper site
[12:21] <kevin__> ok
[12:22] <lamont_r> kevin__: that's scary in what it says about clue-factor...
[12:22] <lamont_r> that they put that on their web site, that is...
[12:22] <kevin__> well it doesnt say sudo fakeroot
[12:22] <kevin__> its just when i run just fakeroot i get permission errors
[12:22] <lamont_r> ok.  that's better.
[12:23] <azeem> kevin__: did you extract the source as root?
[12:23] <sladen> kevin__: you probably want   fakeroot  for building stuff and  sudo  for installing it
[12:23] <azeem> or used 'sudo debian/rules build'?
[12:23] <kevin__> well since there is no "root" i did it as sudo
[12:23] <mdz> seb128: here
[12:23] <azeem> kevin__: in general, building Debi^Wubuntu stuff never requires real root priviledges
[12:24] <mdz> sivang: that is correct
[12:24] <kevin__> ah
[12:24] <seb128> mdz: just noticed after comments from some french users, but the default browser is english only ? 
[12:24] <mdz> seb128: it is unless you install mozilla-firefox-locale-fr, apparently
[12:24] <seb128> arg
[12:25] <mdz> it is like openoffice
[12:25] <seb128> at least epiphany is localized
[12:25] <kevin__> Deft: there is no configure in the module source dir
[12:25] <seb128> mdz: yes, but apparently the browser is much more used
[12:25] <seb128> and people are annoying to get an english one
[12:25] <mdz> seb128: the firefox locales are about 5M installed, total
[12:25] <seb128> annoyed
[12:25] <mdz> seb128: I think we can probably include them in desktop
[12:25] <seb128> would be nice
[12:26] <lamont_r> mdz: should
[12:26] <mdz> I've added them to supported
[12:26] <mdz> we'll discuss it on the list
[12:26] <seb128> thanks
[12:26] <mdz> seb128: could you start the discussion?
[12:26] <seb128> ok
[12:26] <seb128> mdz: on -devel ?
[12:26] <mdz> seb128: ubuntu-devel, yes
[12:26] <seb128> ok, thanks
[12:27] <Deft> kevin__, noticed that now, there is actually a deb target in the makefile though, they seem to be complicating things for some reason
[12:27] <mdz> Kamion: here?
[12:27] <kevin__> Deft: oh..thats what i dont need...things more complicated
[12:29] <kevin__> Deft: would i be better to just get the source?
[12:29] <Deft> anyway... I need ndiswrapper so I will try and sort it out, may have to wait until I can download the ubuntu linux source though, as I'd like to try and work out the "proper" way to do it
[12:29] <seb128> mdz: BTW, do we have a trace somewhere of why we choose firefox instead of epiphany which is the GNOME browser ?
[12:30] <kevin__> ah ok..
[12:30] <seb128> mdz: epiphany guys was wondering the reasons, and to be honest I don't really why :)
[12:30] <mdz> seb128: that decision was before sounder existed, right?
[12:30] <mdz> so it must have been on the internal list
[12:30] <mdz> or was it in Oxford?
[12:31] <seb128> not sure ...
[12:31] <seb128> we were thinking to both options for a while IIRC
[12:31] <Deft> epiphany does have one big mozilla shape problem of course
[12:31] <seb128> I don't remember when it has been decided
[12:31] <lamont_r> gone for about 45-60 min
[12:31] <azeem> personally, I think using firefox spoils the whole UI integration. I never used it before yesterday and I thought it looked more GNOMEish
[12:31] <xLobeznox> hi
[12:32] <jdandr2> I thought there was a "restricted" repository for things like DVD/flash ...  or should I setup "debian-millart" or something like that...?
[12:32] <xLobeznox> I'm not using ubuntu, but I would like to know how to add the trash panel to de gnome-panel, I obtain this error after I compiled:
[12:32] <xLobeznox> Unable to acquire monitor of the Trash directory
[12:32] <xLobeznox> and I cant use it
[12:33] <seb128> you already asked on irc.gnome.org
[12:33] <seb128> you will not get more reply here
[12:35] <toothpick> Is there a tutorial for nvidia or should I just use debians docs?
[12:36] <kevin__> toothpick: install nvidia-glx add nvidia to /etc/modules and change nv to nvidia in XF86config-4
[12:36] <toothpick> kevin__: that is what I didn't do...add nvidia to /etc/modules
[12:37] <toothpick> is that /etc/modules just a text file that I append nvidia too? as in insmod nvidia?
[12:37] <kevin__> its just txt file
[12:37] <kevin__> and all u add is   nvidia at the bottom
[12:37] <toothpick> thanks
[12:37] <kevin__> np
[12:38] <toothpick> how do I change to have windows be the default boot up with grub?
[12:38] <azeem> toothpick: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:39] <toothpick> azeem ok....when I ran another linux distro with grub it kept whatever you chose last as what it would do next...that was nice.
[12:39] <toothpick> Trying to remember the distro...will come to me in a moment...
[12:39] <azeem> dunno about that
[12:39] <Deft> isn't the boot prefs app installed from gnome-system-tools?
[12:40] <sivang> mdz : bug opened
[12:40] <mdz> sivang: bug commented
[12:40] <mdz> toothpick: to do that, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and change "default 0" to "default saved"
[12:41] <sivang> mdz : gush you're quick :)
[12:41] <toothpick> thanks!
[12:42] <toothpick> I'm burning ubuntu now (for the second time) left the other cd at work...and will install that here.
[12:42] <[Scizo] > looks good
[12:42] <kevin__> just installed ubuntu on the bosses laptop...thats why i need the wireless to work :)
[12:42] <[Scizo] > ubuntu that is
[12:47] <Qerub> toothpick: savedefault is your friend
[12:47] <Qerub> toothpick: oh, sorry. too late.
[12:49] <toothpick> np
[12:51] <sivang> mdz : commented back
[12:52] <jdandr2> anyone get a "dvdnav_get_next_block" when trying to play a dvd?
[01:02] <kevin__> so any others wanna try and help me get this ndiswrapper working? :)
[01:05] <Qerub> kevin__: google for ndiswrapper-source and build the module package against the kernel you're using
[01:05] <kevin__> yeah thats what i am trying to to
[01:05] <kevin__> to do*
[01:06] <kevin__> source is already there, and created the link like it asked
[01:06] <kevin__> "You don't seem to have sources for your kernel;  install them in /usr/src, link /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-2-386/build to it and try again."
[01:06] <Qerub> i'm not thinking of the source available on ndiswrapper's homepage
[01:06] <kevin__> ?
[01:07] <Qerub> http://rigtorp.se/debian/unstable/ndiswrapper-source_0.10-1_all.deb
[01:07] <tolo> Hi to all/Hola a todos
[01:08] <lamont> moof
[01:08] <trukulo> hola tolo
[01:08] <Elyran> jdtry libdvdread also
[01:08] <elmaya> ok where are the sources of the kernel?
[01:08] <kevin__> ndiswrapper-source_0.10-1_i386.deb this is the one i originally used...what is the difference?
[01:08] <trukulo> jdandr2, try totem
[01:08] <trukulo> or xine
[01:08] <Elyran> jdandr2, and make sure /dev/dvd symink is good ans coorect chmod
[01:08] <jdandr2> trukulo, got totem and libddvdread (both came with ubuntu default install)
[01:09] <jdandr2> I hear the disk spink up when I click play DVD in totem
[01:09] <trukulo> you need css support from marillat repositories
[01:09] <Elyran> jdandr2, then jsut launch xine dvd://
[01:09] <wido> i've just seen the ubuntu kde packages. but they're kde3.2. anyone knows if and when 3.3 packages will be available?
[01:09] <jdandr2> trukulo, can you tell me a source.list line for marillat?
[01:09] <trukulo> jdandr2, wait a minute
[01:09] <tolo> One hour running Ubuntu
[01:10] <tolo> I am a happy man
[01:10] <trukulo> wido, kde won't be supported in first version
[01:10] <Adonijah-> tolo, i agree, although i think it's mostly gnome 2.8 that makes me so happy ;)
[01:10] <trukulo> deb http://debian.xmixahlx.com/packages/unstable/ ./
[01:10] <tolo> I was running Guadalinex for amonth and I was quiet happy
[01:10] <Livewire-> is the Ubuntu distro shipping on the 30th sept?
[01:10] <trukulo> tru this
[01:11] <tolo> but packages were foe sid
[01:11] <elmaya> where do i get the source of the kernel?
[01:11] <Adonijah-> elmaya, apt-get install kernel-source ?
[01:11] <trukulo> tolo, i don't like guadalinex way of development
[01:11] <elmaya> ok
[01:11] <Adonijah-> elmaya, err..hold on
[01:11] <trukulo> there's no real roadmap
[01:11] <thom> linux-source-2.6.8.1
[01:11] <tolo> What I like of guadalinex is that after trying other distros I do love debian and apt get
[01:11] <Adonijah-> elmaya, yeah that ;)
[01:11] <elmaya> :)
[01:12] <tolo> so Guadalinex had a good repository
[01:12] <Adonijah-> elmaya, sudo apt-get install linux-source
[01:12] <trukulo> tolo, but that's inherent of debian, not guadalinex
[01:12] <trukulo> tolo, guadalinex has a big problem with security updates in future
[01:12] <tolo> I kniow, but guadalinex was my 1st Debian
[01:12] <tolo> did not know
[01:12] <ryanohorn> where is gcc installed in ubuntu
[01:12] <trukulo> at least, that's what i can see in development lists
[01:12] <Adonijah-> ryanohorn, it's not installed by default afaik
[01:12] <tolo> Also I got a copy of Linex 2004
[01:13] <elmaya> :) getting
[01:13] <tolo> but I will keep with Ubuntu
[01:13] <trukulo> tolo, it's the same, it's componentized linux from progeny
[01:13] <Adonijah-> ryanohorn, when it did install, it installed as /usr/bin/gcc-3.4
[01:13] <Livewire-> is the Ubuntu distro shipping on the 30th sept?
[01:13] <Adonijah-> Livewire-, faq question
[01:13] <tolo> Do some of you use Azureus? Can someone help me installing JRE?
[01:14] <Adonijah-> tolo, oi
[01:15] <ggi> tolo: There's a good Java-on-Debian guide here, if that helps: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian
[01:15] <tolo> the prob comes that in the repository of Ubuntu theer is n JRE
[01:15] <tolo> thx ggi
[01:15] <trukulo> tolo: nor even in debian
[01:16] <jdandr2> thanks trukulo .. xine seems to work except no sound...  
[01:16] <Deft> there's free java in debian, but that's not up to a lot
[01:16] <tolo> I thought, maybe I am mistake that I used Synatyc
[01:16] <trukulo> jdandr2, look mixer, perhaps it's mute
[01:16] <trukulo> tolo, there's no synaptic related, it's not in repositories, as i know
[01:17] <jdandr2> trukulo, it just is via PCM not anything special right?
[01:17] <Adonijah-> ryanohorn, it looks like if you do sudo apt-get install gcc, gcc-3.3.4 gets installed as /usr/bin/gcc
[01:17] <tolo> ggi, thx it looks great
[01:17] <trukulo> jdandr2, yes, but many times, with alsa, volume it's muted
[01:17] <trukulo> check it
[01:18] <ggi> tolo: It definetly works with Debian, though I haven't tried it with Ubuntu yet. I'm doing so.
[01:19] <tolo> ggi I want JRE for azureus, anyway from Sinaptyc I installed the bittorrent app, it's great but the gui does not work and I must use btdownloadcurses, whichI don't understand as easy as a gui
[01:19] <psi> has anyone tried to change the default media player from totem to e.g. mplayer? i can add new applications but it just wont let me select another default
[01:19] <azeem> tolo: perhaps bittornado is available?
[01:20] <trukulo> tolo: btdownloadgui doesn't work?
[01:20] <tolo> thx azeem, trukulo I have a problem with a Python Lybrary
[01:20] <trukulo> psi: that's mime related
[01:20] <trukulo> tolo, what library?
[01:20] <azeem> tolo: bittornado is python as well, AFAIK
[01:21] <thom> yeah, it is
[01:21] <trukulo> what's te problem?
[01:21] <ggi> tolo: The required library isn't a dependency, it's a in suggests or recommends, I forget.
[01:21] <tolo> I will check and tel you
[01:21] <tolo> just a sec
[01:21] <trukulo> ok
[01:21] <ggi> tolo: I thought as much. Apt-get install this: libwxgtk2.4-python
[01:22] <tolo> that one ggi
[01:22] <psi> trukulo: do you know why i can't change it?
[01:22] <trukulo> psi, no, i'm not in ubuntu now, i'm in sarge
[01:22] <trukulo> so i can't look at it
[01:23] <psi> okay
[01:23] <psi> it seems totem is greedy - i've changed some other applications without problems
[01:23] <tolo> ggi
[01:23] <trukulo> do you have mplayer installed?
[01:23] <trukulo> silly question :P
[01:24] <tolo> sorry ggi from my command line I try apt-get?
[01:24] <trukulo> tolo: try this
[01:24] <psi> yeah :)
[01:24] <trukulo> sudo apt-get install libwxgtk2.4-python
[01:24] <tolo> Oh god sorry sudo, I forget
[01:24] <psi> trukulo: i can right-click and choose open with mplayer
[01:24] <ggi> tolo: Yeah. What trukulo said.
[01:24] <trukulo> psi, and does it work?
[01:24] <psi> yes
[01:25] <trukulo> psi, so it can be a bug, don't know
[01:25] <tolo> pu,pu,pu.. no, sorry, apt-get can not find it, will try with 2.3
[01:25] <crimsun> jre 1.50rc works fine with mozilla-firefox in Ubuntu
[01:26] <tolo> I think the problem is in my repository
[01:26] <ggi> tolo: It's in universe.
[01:27] <trukulo> tolo: edit your sources
[01:27] <tolo> so automatically must work with a command of apt-get?
[01:27] <tolo> thx trukulo
[01:27] <trukulo> if you hace universe reposity enabled, it has
[01:27] <trukulo> s/hace/have
[01:27] <Adonijah-> crimsun, unless you're running amd64 probably ;)
[01:28] <crimsun> Adonijah-: i'm not leet enough for that
[01:28] <tolo> trukulo/ggi If I enable Universe, is better that I uncheck the other sources?
[01:28] <trukulo> crimsun, you don't need to be leet to have an amd64, you need money
[01:29] <ggi> tolo: Yeah. Comment them out.
[01:29] <trukulo> tolo, only enable the repositories you need
[01:29] <trukulo> but that's more a way of thinking than a suggest
[01:31] <tolo> ggi/trukulo thx now downloading
[01:31] <trukulo> well, time to sleep
[01:31] <trukulo> tolo, you're wellcome
[01:31] <tolo> bye trukulo/buenas noches
[01:31] <trukulo> see you tomorrow... perhaps
[01:32] <trukulo> tolo, y cuida la flauta
[01:32] <tolo> :D
[01:34] <tolo> ggi yeah it works
[01:34] <tolo> :hugs with humanity ggi
[01:36] <ggi> tolo: Grand. I'll tell you if I get Java working with that guide. It's going well.
[01:38] <elmaya> agg
[01:38] <elmaya> ok im trying to install ndiswrapper
[01:38] <toothpick> Greets...enjoying ubuntu now at home.
[01:39] <elmaya> i get this message make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-2-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[01:41] <elmaya> ?
[01:43] <mdz> elmaya: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[01:43] <elmaya> oh
[01:44] <Adonijah-> i think these things should be in a FAQ or the wiki ;)
[01:44] <Adonijah-> elmaya, yeah, that fixes it
[01:45] <elmaya> what's the uname-r do
[01:45] <Adonijah-> returns the kernel version I think
[01:46] <Adonijah-> since there are multiple kernel header packages
[01:46] <Adonijah-> it makes sure the right one gets installed
[01:48] <tolo> well good night from Spain, see you all tomorrow
[01:49] <ggi> tolo: The Java-on-Debian guide I linked to is valid for Ubuntu, should you want to use Azureus at some point.
[01:50] <robertj> finally downloading the iso
[01:50] <subterrific> me too
[01:50] <subterrific> it rocks
[01:50] <tolo> thx ggi bye, I can say this been a very helpful community
[01:50] <robertj> I've only been using Debian since 2.0, so I hope you guys are standing buy to help out!
[01:50] <tolo> bye
[01:51] <elmaya> fuck
[01:53] <elmaya> thanks mdz Adonijah- got it now :)
[02:07] <Knio2> Hi
[02:10] <kevin__> ahhh...i cant get ndiswrapper to install
[02:11] <kevin__> goin crazy
[02:17] <phlaegel> so... anybody tried changing keyboard shortcuts? mod4 (aka super/windows key) doesn't work as a modifier for me. anybody else?
[02:19] <Chriffer> check out the keyboard config applet thing
[02:19] <phlaegel> that's what I'm talking about.
[02:19] <Chriffer> I had to mess with it to get my right alt working with a dvorak map
[02:19] <Chriffer> there are some options on the third tab
[02:19] <phlaegel> I select a function to map, hit mod4, and it assigns it without another key.
[02:20] <Chriffer> this isnt in the shortcuts this is in the keyboard setup
[02:21] <phlaegel> yeah, just realized that's what you meant... looking now
[02:22] <phlaegel> only thing I see there is that by default super is mapped to the win keys, which is what I expected. the problem is the shortcut applet doesn't recognize it as a modifier.
[02:23] <giard> so, great job
[02:23] <Chriffer> It may not be meant as a modifier
[02:23] <giard> ubuntu rocks
[02:26] <phlaegel> it'd be the first time I've seen that. I've been using it as a modifier for months in fvwm and gnome 2.6.
[02:27] <wido> i'm new to ubuntu/debian. which package do i have to install in order to be able to compile my own packages? when i run configure it fails because it can't find a c-compiler. however a gcc-3.4 binary exists
[02:29] <clee> try apt-get install build-essential
[02:29] <clee> that was the name, I think
[02:30] <wido> ah, thanks. i'll try that 
[02:31] <giard> is there any trick to getting video working?
[02:31] <giard> my video plays, I can hear the audio, but I can't see anything
[02:31] <wido> clee: thanks again. it worked :)
[02:31] <clee> wido: np
[02:32] <m_tthew> giard: totem-xine in universe has more codecs than gstreamer (installed by default)
[02:32] <giard> m_tthew: thanks
[02:33] <giard> m_tthew: I just got "totem-xine is not available"
[02:34] <Kamion> punkass: file a bug in bugzilla, please - bug reports on IRC get lost really easily, and a permanent record makes it much more likely we won't forget
[02:34] <Kamion> lamont: ?
[02:36] <giard> m_tthew: is that part of another sourcE?
[02:38] <mdz> m_tthew: yes, it's in universe
[02:41] <dieman> ho hum
[02:41] <dieman> i got a jaywalking ticket today
[02:41] <dieman> :|
[02:41] <tseng> a what?
[02:41] <zack> wow. that happens?
[02:41] <dieman> zack: yeahnoshit.
[02:41] <dieman> tseng: walking when the 'dont walk' sign is up
[02:42] <tseng> hahaha
[02:42] <tseng> make half the people downtown here would be in jail
[02:42] <dieman> actually, it was the don't walk picture, which if your pedantic enough is not a legal dont walk sign, but hey.
[02:42] <tseng> for repeat offenses
[02:42] <dieman> heh
[02:42] <dieman> i think its like a $100 ticket
[02:42] <dieman> too
[02:43] <Knio2> Would you guys be willing to help a newbie (me) install ubuntu in about 3 hours ?
[02:43] <tseng> Knio2: its freaking easy
[02:43] <unshavenyak> I must say, this distro is quite awesome
[02:43] <dieman> Knio2: there is usually someone around
[02:43] <tseng> you put in the cd and blam
[02:44] <dieman> Knio2: i'll be around, most likely -- but yeah, its pretty easy
[02:44] <tseng> so if you get stuck ask.
[02:44] <Knio2> i've had problems with other "easy" distros :(
[02:44] <phlaegel> ever installed windows? ubuntu is much easier.
[02:44] <dieman> Knio2: this one doesn't have 50-thousand-questions.
[02:44] <zack> ubuntu doesn't work on my SATA system... which kinda lame as debian does :\
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> zack: define doesn't work?
[02:44] <Kamion> zack: please send us lspci and lspci -n info for that, it's usually trivial to make work
[02:44] <Knio2> i'm acctualy in the middle of 5 hours of installing windows right now... it decided it didn't like to boot any more *GRRR*
[02:44] <zack> HrdwrBoB: it doesn't give me any actual options to partition.
[02:44] <unshavenyak> yeah there's like a grand total of two questions asked during install if you don't use the expert mode at the prompt
[02:45] <Kamion> zack: if this is a sata_nv chipset, I just uploaded support for that today
[02:45] <unshavenyak> partition question and network..done
[02:45] <dieman> Kamion: is discover1-data sync'ed with sid?
[02:45] <dieman> Kamion: in ubuntu?
[02:45] <zack> Kamion: nope, it's an i915
[02:45] <Kamion> (but Debian doesn't support that yet, so I guess it can't be that)
[02:45] <Kamion> dieman: not quite, it's fairly close but I do have some work to do there
[02:45] <dieman> Kamion: ok
[02:45] <dieman> Kamion: i just resynced my local copy at work for my woody boxes
[02:45] <dieman> like last week
[02:45] <zack> i looks like someone modified ubuntu's d-i in a way that broke it for this particular system
[02:45] <dieman> its getting to be fairly complete
[02:46] <mdz> zack: more likely it was fixed in debian and hasn't yet been fixed in ubuntu
[02:46] <dieman> zack: most likely the udeb for discover-data just doesn't have the i915 stuff in it
[02:46] <zack> mdz: it works in d-i RC1, i hope you're not that far behind ;)
[02:46] <Kamion> yes, if "someone" had modified ubuntu's d-i it would have been me and I'd know about it :)
[02:46] <Kamion> zack: we froze warty before d-i RC1
[02:46] <zack> aha!
[02:47] <zack> :)
[02:47] <Kamion> we've picked up most of the relevant fixes, but not necessarily everything
[02:47] <Kamion> I steered clear of new partman, for example
[02:47] <zack> ok
[02:47] <zack> i wonder if i can shell into that box now... 
[02:48] <Kamion> because I don't trust it (I've had to do a number of scary and not-very-intuitive fixes in d-i upstream to cope with it), Joey Hess isn't entirely convinced by it, and well, that's enough really
[02:48] <Knio2> does ubuntu use kernel 2.6 ?
[02:48] <Kamion> Knio2: yes
[02:48] <zack> damn, i left sshd down :(
[02:49] <clee> good job, zack 
[02:49] <clee> zack: so how are you digging ubuntu?
[02:49] <zack> Kamion: i hope your and debian's d-i can be parallel branches
[02:49] <zack> clee: uh, not very much seeing as it won't install
[02:49] <zack> :P
[02:49] <clee> ha, weak
[02:50] <zack> yeah, but this is treefrog and treefrog is special
[02:50] <zack> all my workstations are special, come to think of it
[02:50] <JanneM> dumb question: d-i is what exactly? debian-something?
[02:50] <zack> JanneM: -installer
[02:50] <JanneM> ah
[02:50] <JanneM> ok
[02:50] <clee> zack: heh.
[02:51] <unshavenyak> hrmm odd, bittorrent won't work even with port forwarding setup on my router
[02:53] <Knio2> ok, first question: I booted to the language selection screen... and nothing heppens when I hit enter/up/dn. caps lock and num lock don't light up, indicating that my keyboard isn't recognized ? same thing heppened last time I booted to a 2.6 kernel, I couldn't type.
[02:53] <lamont> Kamion: can't remember what I was going to ask you.
[02:54] <Kamion> lamont: fair enough :)
[02:54] <Kamion> zack: I'm a debian-installer developer as well as an Ubuntu developer; I have a very strong personal interest in keeping the two as closely synced as I can, to reduce my own confusion levels if nothing else.
[02:55] <Kamion> Knio2: what kind of keyboard?
[02:55] <Knio2> Kamion: just a cheap PS/2 keyboard
[02:56] <lamont> Kamion: can you think of any case where base-config would finish with a null hostname? (or empty /etc/hostname, /etc/resolv.conf?)
[02:57] <zack> Kamion: great =D
[02:57] <Kamion> Knio2: hm, not USB or anything then, very odd
[02:57] <Kamion> lamont: I really don't know netcfg well enough to be sure of that
[02:58] <Kamion> (not my strongest area of the installer ...)
[02:58] <zack> hmm, it'll be great when debian has an installer that can ask all its questions first :)
[02:58] <Kamion> netcfg is basically a massive state machine of state machines
[02:58] <lamont> np.
[02:59] <Kamion> zack: that's not really possible, by definition many of the questions rely on hardware detection that takes place after udeb retrieval which depends on earlier questions
[02:59] <tseng> hey could someone add |*rxvt* to the prompt command setup in .bashrc
[02:59] <Kamion> (not in the current design, that is, which is a pretty good design for non-weird criteria :-))
[02:59] <Kamion> there is pretty complete preseeding support in very current d-i builds in Debian, though
[03:00] <Kamion> you can do kickstart-style zero-question installs, as I understand it
[03:00] <Kamion> somewhat machine-dependent by nature of course
[03:00] <mdz> tseng: I don't see why not; please file a bug
[03:01] <tseng> mdz: sure
[03:01] <tseng> mdz: who to assign to?
[03:01] <mdz> tseng: I'll take care of that
[03:01] <tseng> rgr
[03:03] <tseng> #1377
[03:03] <Deft_u> is there going to be an "official" way of adding a mount point, for a usb drive or similar?
[03:04] <azeem> Deft_u: mount points should not be exposed to users
[03:04] <azeem> Deft_u: but perhaps if you specify it in /etc/fstab, project utopia will leave it alone
[03:05] <Deft_u> but I need a mount point to be created so I can actually mount my drive, has utopia started doing this itself without me noticing?
[03:06] <azeem> sure
[03:06] <azeem> at least, that's the theory =)
[03:06] <azeem> pmount is responsible for that in ubuntu, I think
[03:06] <Kamion> 'pmount /dev/<whatever>'
[03:06] <Kamion> then you magically get /media/<whatever>
[03:07] <Deft_u> well, that doesn't happen out of the box anyway...
[03:07] <mdz> in fact it does
[03:07] <mdz> if you are logged into the desktop
[03:07] <azeem> Deft_u: then perhaps hal is not running
[03:07] <azeem> hald, that is
[03:08] <azeem> Deft_u: try opening the 'Removal Storage' capplet
[03:08] <Deft_u> are mount points going to be dynamic then? or always created the same for any particular device?
[03:08] <mdz> currently, the mount point is named after the device path
[03:09] <elmaya> is alsa loading on boot? cuz mi sound card is not being detected
[03:09] <Deft_u> hald is running, device manager shows my usb volume, /dev/sdxx has been created, but no newuser-visible device...
[03:09] <Deft_u> and double check... no new mount
[03:10] <Knio2> no ideas on the keyboard ?
[03:10] <azeem> Knio2: do you use a USB to PS/2 converter perhaps?
[03:10] <mdz> elmaya: it should be automatically loaded by hotplug. what kind of sound card?
[03:10] <Knio2> nope
[03:10] <azeem> sorry, no
[03:11] <elmaya> its a intel ac'97 laptop
[03:11] <Knio2> just ps2... I hit enter at the bootloader and it works, as soon as the kernel loads it doesn't
[03:12] <mdz> elmaya: lsmod | grep snd shows no sound drivers loaded?
[03:13] <elmaya> lets see
[03:13] <elmaya> well actually it shows
[03:14] <elmaya> snd_ac97_codec         59268  2 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0
[03:14] <mdz> ok, looks like it's detected correctly the
[03:14] <mdz> then
[03:14] <mdz> perhaps it's just muted?
[03:14] <Deft_u> azeem, could you tell me the sequence that's supposed to happen when I plug in a new usb storage thing, or maybe more useful, this was happens when I try:
[03:14] <mdz> elmaya: another possibility is that your system has a second sound device, and the wrong one is found first
[03:15] <elmaya> maybe
[03:15] <Deft_u> azeem, running g-v-m in a terminal, it tells me that it can't mount (bas superblock or too many mount fs), but it doesn't create any new mount point that I can see
[03:15] <mdz> (#1293)
[03:15] <subterrific> why do i get these messages during boot?
[03:15] <subterrific> VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev hda3.
[03:15] <subterrific> VFS: Can't find ext2 filesystem on dev hda3.
[03:16] <Deft_u> azeem, mount (as root) straight to /mnt, works fine, and then surprisingly opens up in nautilus
[03:16] <Kamion> subterrific: that's probably just the kernel wandering through all the filesystems it knows about 'cos it hasn't been explicitly told what that filesystem is
[03:17] <subterrific> Kamion: fstab has it listed though
[03:18] <azeem> Deft_u: sorry, I can't help you further. I don't really know what Canonical did with the project utopia stack
[03:18] <jdub> hi all
[03:18] <elmaya> mdz, when i open totem says: Device /dev/dsp does not exist
[03:18] <jdub> mdz: here
[03:18] <jdub> mako: i replied to that dude and said, please do
[03:18] <Deft_u> azeem, ok, thanks for the clue anyway, I'll ask someone tomorrow
[03:18] <jdub> mako: i thought you wre cc'ed
[03:19] <tseng> hmm, i have a bit odd question
[03:20] <tseng> in gentoo one of the xsession scripts (not sure where) ran bits from bash_profile
[03:20] <tseng> so i could run keychain there, and source the pointer to the ssh-agent for the entire X environment
[03:20] <tseng> im not sure how to duplicate this in ubuntu..
[03:21] <mdz> jdub: hi, if I rang you I don't remember what it was about :-)
[03:21] <tseng> sorry i cant be more specific.
[03:21] <mdz> elmaya: aha
[03:21] <mdz> elmaya: so snd-pcm-oss isn't getting loaded
[03:21] <Kamion> didn't we fix that in alsa-base?
[03:21] <mdz> yes, some time ago
[03:21] <mdz> I have only seen one other circumstance which causes it to fail
[03:22] <mdz> and that was that a 0-byte /etc/modprobe.conf was created by some tool, possibly alsaconf
[03:22] <jeedee> Anyone has a clue why grub freeze at "Loading grub..." once Im done with the first installation stage? Thank you
[03:22] <mdz> apparently, if /etc/modprobe.conf exists, modprobe ignores /etc/modprobe.d
[03:22] <mdz> which is where the snd-pcm-oss trigger is
[03:22] <mdz> elmaya: a long shot, but could you check for /etc/modprobe.conf?
[03:22] <mdz> jeedee: are you using xfs?
[03:22] <jeedee> Nope
[03:22] <elmaya> lets see
[03:23] <mdz> tseng: Computer->Desktop Preferences->Sessions->Startup Programs
[03:23] <tseng> mdz: i can make it run keychain there
[03:23] <jeedee> Ext3... everything standard... my first stage complete, I get "Loading stage ..." then "Grub Loading..." and it stay there
[03:23] <tseng> ( i did that )
[03:23] <elmaya> mdz, i don't have modprobe.conf
[03:23] <tseng> but can it source the file?
[03:23] <tseng> ill try it for kicks.
[03:24] <mdz> elmaya: ok, good
[03:24] <jeedee> If at least it outputted an error
[03:24] <mdz> elmaya: and you installed from the preview CD?
[03:24] <elmaya> yup
[03:24] <mdz> elmaya: try this:
[03:25] <mdz> elmaya: log out of gnome, and on the text console, modprobe -r snd-intel8x0 snd-intel8x0m snd-pcm
[03:25] <mdz> elmaya: then modprobe -v snd-intel8x0m
[03:25] <jeedee> I tried installing on the same HD as Windows and another primary slave Hd and grub still freeze.. I might have to check SATA settings even if my disks are ide
[03:25] <tseng> mdz: yes.. i cant source the resulting file into the environment from there it seems
[03:26] <elmaya> mdz,  ok lemmie check
[03:26] <mdz> jeedee: when it's hung, switch to console #2 (ctrl-alt-f2) and run ps to see what's hanging
[03:27] <srbaker> so what does ubuntu give me that debian doesn't?
[03:27] <srbaker> i have a machine here that i'm thinking i'll put ubuntu on
[03:27] <elmaya> brb
[03:27] <jeedee> oh, I did not know you could do that while in grub :) Thank you I'll try that..some peoples on forums seems to talk about the boot part in the first 8gb of the disk
[03:28] <jdub> Kamion: lots of nice installer/hardware fixes i see :-) rocking!
[03:28] <giard> wow, is almost everything compiled as a module by default in ubuntu?
[03:28] <mdz> srbaker: gnome 2.8, 6-month release cycle, simplified install, Just Works(tm) technology
[03:28] <Kamion> jdub: polishing phase :)
[03:28] <azeem> ...and a nice trash applet
[03:28] <mdz> that too
[03:28] <jdub> mdz: wow, you stripped that down well ;)
[03:28] <jdub> AND LOVE
[03:29] <Kamion> giard: yeah; mind you that's the case in modern Debian too
[03:29] <jdub> UBUNTU BRINGS YOU LOVE
[03:29] <Kamion> giard: although we've added some more
[03:29] <mdz> you love ubuntu and ubuntu loves you
[03:29] <giard> hehe
[03:29] <giard> that's cool
[03:29] <giard> I wonder if this adm8211 (SMC Wireless PCMCIA card) will make it in
[03:29] <giard> having to compile it by hand is kinda a pain
[03:30] <Kamion> giard: is it in the mainstream kernel, or a third-party thing?
[03:30] <giard> Kamion: I think it's a third party at the moment
[03:30] <Deft_u> jdub, would you be a good person to ask about utopia and usb drives?
[03:30] <Kamion> giard: and is it one of the ones with binary-only firmware?
[03:30] <Kamion> wow, OOo starts up pretty speedily on amd64
[03:30] <giard> Kamion: I think it's source, but I didn't look that closely:  http://aluminum.sourmilk.net/adm8211/
[03:30] <subterrific> just wait till its a native 64bit binary
[03:30] <jdub> Deft_u: hopefully :) what's the prob?
[03:31] <Kamion> of course the 2GB of RAM might help there
[03:31] <tseng> nevermind me, i wrote a bit of bash hackery to solve the problem.
[03:31] <giard> I just thought that if laptops were one of the big goals, the more wireless drivers the better
[03:31] <zack> where are ubuntu's source packages?
[03:31] <subterrific> Kamion: OOo 2 buuilds natively for amd64
[03:31] <subterrific> its really fast
[03:31] <Kamion> subterrific: yeah, I know
[03:31] <HrdwrBoB> no sugar :/  I was forced to use kahlua in my coffee
[03:31] <Deft_u> I can't find a way to make my usb pen mount automatically without it being in fstab
[03:31] <srbaker> mdz: i run sid, tho.
[03:31] <srbaker> mdz, so all of the ubuntu patches will be merged with sid, right?
[03:31] <justdave> what component should a boot failure go under in Bugzilla?
[03:32] <jdub> Deft_u: that is totally non-utopic
[03:32] <Kamion> subterrific: we were talking about it for warty, but it obviously wasn't going to be there in time, so we did the ia32-libs hack
[03:32] <srbaker> mdz, but ubuntu will be good for my non-development workstations, right?
[03:32] <jdub> Deft_u: can you plug it in while hal-device-manager is running?
[03:32] <mdz> srbaker: we have little or no control over that; so far, some have been merged, and some have not
[03:32] <Kamion> justdave: depends what fails
[03:32] <justdave> I get the kernel banner and a couple more lines, then it hangs
[03:32] <Deft_u> jdub, glad you agree, it all shows up in device manager fine
[03:32] <srbaker> mdz, oh.  hrm.  i'll probably put ubuntu on my other box
[03:32] <mdz> srbaker: and there is no patch for 6-monthly releases
[03:32] <srbaker> mdz, heh.  yeah, that sucks.
[03:33] <Deft_u> jdub, if I run g-v-m in a terminal, it tells me it won't mount, the normal bad type, superblock or whatever message
[03:33] <jdub> Deft_u: ok, do you have another usb-storage dvice?
[03:33] <jdub> oh
[03:33] <srbaker> mdz, there is a patch for 6-monthly releases.  it's called "34 paid employees" :)
[03:33] <jdub> srbaker: and an iron will. ;)
[03:34] <srbaker> jdub, heh.
[03:34] <srbaker> jdub, i'm very interested what ubuntu is doing.
[03:34] <subterrific> Kamion: good trade off
[03:35] <Kamion> subterrific: the other option was to leave it out, which wasn't really an option :)
[03:35] <Deft_u> jdub, good suggestion, my iRiver worked fine (other than calling the window being called sda1 rather than anything sensicle)
[03:35] <Kamion> subterrific: (for one, though it was hackable for CDs, it broke netboot installs for various reasons ...)
[03:35] <jdub> Deft_u: yeah ;)
[03:36] <giard> compiling all these modules reminds me of freebsd
[03:36] <jdub> Deft_u: okay, can you compare the lists of properties in the 'advanced' tab of hal-d-m?
[03:36] <Deft_u> jdub, ok, but my pen will mount fine manually, so...
[03:39] <lamont> 1) install, 2) try to install something not in main/restricted, 3) do lots of work, send mail, 4) discover universe...
[03:41] <Robar> I have a question about root access, anyone around?
[03:42] <matthewjs> Robar, whats up
[03:42] <Deft_u> jdub, damn, it won't see any usb drive now... and sidenote, you can't kill a system process without a the root password, so that dialog is pretty useless in system monotor
[03:43] <pantz_> i have a SD card from my camera that i want to mount at /media/camera instead of /media/sdc1
[03:43] <HrdwrBoB> Robar: use sudo :)
[03:43] <HrdwrBoB> sudo command
[03:43] <Robar> Just wondering... I noticed I never setup a root password during the install. I know I can do 'sudo passwd root' to set one, but is this okay to do? Or is there a reason that the Ubuntu devs decided to leave that out?
[03:43] <HrdwrBoB> and put in your password
[03:43] <pantz_> i tried a line in /etc/fstab but it stopped it from automounting - any ideas?
[03:43] <HrdwrBoB> Robar: sudo is much better to use than just root
[03:43] <matthewjs> not really
[03:43] <HrdwrBoB> it's a deliberate thing
[03:43] <Robar> I don't really understand the distinction...
[03:43] <matthewjs> sudo is stupid i think
[03:43] <mdz> Robar: that's perfectly fine to do if you want
[03:43] <matthewjs> there is no diff
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB> there is quite a lot of difference, it's a lot harder to do silly things with sudo
[03:44] <Robar> Oh, okay... Thanks everyone.
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB> because you have to explicitly use root
[03:44] <pantz_> sudo schmudo - any ideas on my mount problem :)
[03:45] <skx> ln -s /media/camera /media/sda1 ?
[03:45] <Kamion> matthewjs: sudo gives you an audit trail
[03:45] <pantz_> skx, mmm not bad
[03:45] <Kamion> (unless you do sudo -s or sudo bash or whatever)
[03:45] <pantz_> but then i will still have sdc1 show up in my /media dir
[03:45] <jdub> Deft_u: can you file a bug about that dialogue?
[03:46] <HrdwrBoB> pantz_: submit a bug report :)
[03:46] <skx> patnz_: Sure, but do you really go looking in there unless you're looking for camera stuff?
[03:46] <Robar> Also, I have an NTFS volume at /dev/hdb1. I can mount it and read from it as root, but I can't seem to read it or mount it as a normal user, no matter what I do. How can I allow a normal user to read the mounted NTFS volume?
[03:46] <azeem> pantz_: why do you want to mount it somewhere else?
[03:46] <Kamion> also, one of the main practical reasons was that it was a way we thought we could encourage good practice while simultaneously getting rid of some rather confusing questions in the default install path
[03:46] <Deft_u> jdub, will do, have to wait till tomorrow now, I'm tired and usb is annoying me
[03:46] <HrdwrBoB> better to have it interrogate the usb name
[03:46] <pantz_> HrdwrBoB, but i don't think its a bug
[03:46] <Deft_u> later
[03:46] <jdub> Deft_u: thjanks
[03:46] <azeem> pantz_: in general, we shouldn't worry about where stuff is mounted, it should just work
[03:46] <pantz_> azeem, coz i don't like the raw name sdc1
[03:46] <azeem> ah, pmount suckage :)
[03:47] <pantz_> i dont mount my movie partition as hdc3 - i mount it as /media/movies
[03:47] <azeem> well, fstab-sync isn't much better - "disk-3-5-"
[03:47] <pantz_> it would be nice to choose the name for my camera disk
[03:47] <Kamion> you can say 'pmount /dev/hdc3 movies' if you want
[03:47] <Kamion> dunno if that's configurable in gnome-volume-manager
[03:47] <azeem> Kamion: nope
[03:47] <jdub> not yet
[03:47] <jdub> we'll have to make it so you can rename devices nicely and stuff
[03:47] <pantz_> where is the automount feature getting the path /media/sdc1 from?
[03:48] <jdub> hoary ;)
[03:48] <Kamion> pantz_: the device name
[03:48] <pantz_> i will just change it to /media/sdc1
[03:48] <Kamion> s#^/dev/#/media/#
[03:48] <pantz_> Kamion, so i cant change it then?
[03:48] <Kamion> pantz_: by running pmount yourself, yes, otherwise I think currently no
[03:48] <azeem> 03:46 < Kamion> you can say 'pmount /dev/hdc3 movies' if you want
[03:49] <Kamion> hmm, possibly you can, by configuring udev to have the device show up as /dev/movies
[03:49] <Kamion> dunno how feasible/good-idea that is
[03:49] <pantz_> lol - ok now things are confused - i just used the movies mount as an example b4
[03:50] <matthewjs> how do you search for packages with apt-get? like apt-get search mplayer or whatever
[03:50] <Kamion> sure, but you get the idea
[03:50] <Kamion> matthewjs: apt-cache search
[03:50] <pantz_> i want to mount my SD card (/dev/sdc1) as /media/camera
[03:50] <justdave> or use Synaptic and hit the Find button in the tool bar
[03:50] <Kamion> pantz_: ok, so perhaps (warning: offhand idea at 3am) you can make udev cause the SD card to show up as /dev/camera rather than /dev/sdc1
[03:50] <pantz_> Kamion, checking udev config now -thanks
[03:50] <matthewjs> Kamion: im a gentoo user, is there a command that does pretend, like emerge -p gnome in gentoo?
[03:51] <Kamion> pretend?
[03:51] <skx> apt-get -s install foo
[03:51] <skx> will show you the actions, but not carry them out - is that what you mean?
[03:51] <pojo_> hi there.
[03:51] <matthewjs> skx: thank
[03:51] <matthewjs> yes
[03:51] <matthewjs> so i can see what deps it will install
[03:52] <skx> matthewjs: exactly.  man apt-get is your friend ;)
[03:52] <matthewjs> ok one last question :), how do i add universe to my apt-get list?
[03:52] <Kamion> there's an APT HOWTO on the Debian web site, which is good bedtime reading
[03:52] <AndyFitz> apt-get install unrar isnt my friend atm
[03:52] <HrdwrBoB> matthewjs: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.lit
[03:52] <Kamion> matthewjs: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the obvious lines; or Preferences->Repositories in synaptic
[03:52] <jdub> matthewjs: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:52] <AndyFitz> seems its not in the repository 
[03:53] <matthewjs> ya i saw, uncomment both or jsut the 1
[03:53] <matthewjs> there was 2 lines in there
[03:53] <Kamion> matthewjs: one's deb, the other deb-src; i.e. binary packages versus source packages
[03:53] <matthewjs> kk
[03:53] <Kamion> if you want apt-get source to work, uncomment both
[03:53] <pojo_> so, has anyone tried to switch the runlevel? I've found unexpected behavior.
[03:53] <tritium> Are installation reports wanted?  (My PowerPC install on a G4 went perfectly...)
[03:54] <Kamion> tritium: might as well; with time we might be able to mine them for a hardware support database or something ...
[03:55] <Kamion> pojo_: can't imagine anything being particularly unusual there, 2/3/4/5 should be the same ...
[03:55] <tritium> Kamion, okay...
[03:55] <pojo_> Kamion: I'm using telinit 3 (I want to kill the Xserver so I can install the nvidia driver)
[03:55] <pojo_> Kamion: however, the x server continues running, and the runlevel doesn't really change.
[03:55] <HrdwrBoB> pojo_: I would have /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[03:56] <tritium> Kamion, just use the d-i template?
[03:56] <Kamion> pojo_: that sounds like you have expectations that come from Red Hat-derived distributions
[03:56] <Kamion> tritium: it'll do as well as any, but make sure to send to ubuntu-users rather than debian-boot
[03:56] <Kamion> :-)
[03:56] <pojo_> Kamion: ahh. Well, this may be the case. :)
[03:56] <tritium> lol, of course
[03:57] <Kamion> pojo_: the idea that 3 is the non-X default runlevel while 5 is the X default runlevel is a RHism
[03:57] <matthewjs> hrmm apt-cache search mplayer worked but mplayer was not found, is there not a package for it?
[03:57] <jdub> Kamion: debian boot is getting ubuntu install reports?
[03:57] <Kamion> jdub: not that I've seen yet
[03:57] <jdub> matthewjs: no, there's no mplayer package
[03:57] <Kamion> jdub: it did occur to me that I needed to clobber bugreporter-udeb or whatever it was to make sure that doesn't happen
[03:57] <matthewjs> jdub: even in universe?
[03:57] <HrdwrBoB> mplayer is of questionable legality
[03:57] <jdub> matthewjs: i'd recommend installing totem-xine for more video support love
[03:58] <matthewjs> jdub: did that
[03:58] <jdub> matthewjs: not even in universe, no :)
[03:58] <HrdwrBoB> you can acquire it form other sources if you need it
[03:58] <matthewjs> jdub: having problems playing some wmv files
[03:58] <jdub> matthewjs: marillat's repo has some mplayer packages that will work, i hear
[03:58] <tseng> jdub: are you guys planning a smaller server install at any point?
[03:58] <Kamion> jdub: what's a good standard address for Ubuntu installation reports that will be good for the lifetime of warty?
[03:58] <Kamion> tseng: tried booting with 'custom'?
[03:58] <giard> matthewjs: have you installed the win32codecs?
[03:59] <tseng> Kamion: ah, no
[03:59] <matthewjs> giard: no
[03:59] <pantz_> Kamion, got it - if you're interested - i changed /etc/udev/udev.rules and added camera in there :)
[03:59] <pantz_> thanks
[03:59] <Kamion> tseng: installs the base system only, intended for clueful people to customize
[03:59] <tseng> ah neat
[03:59] <tseng> what i was looking for :)
[03:59] <Kamion> pantz_: right, no idea what the ramifications are but if it works for you then cool :)
[03:59] <giard> mathewjs: I don't know if xine use them as much as mplayer, but that's where they get a lot of their ability to play windows formats like wmv
[04:00] <pantz_> lol - i guess i will find out sooner or later if its bad :)
[04:00] <jdub> Kamion: -users?
[04:00] <matthewjs> ya thats what mplayer uses
[04:00] <Kamion> jdub: feels like that might get flooded over the lifetime of warty
[04:00] <Kamion> the last line of bugreporter-udeb/install-report.template is:
[04:00] <pantz_> do i need to install something else to be able to play mpegs?
[04:00] <Kamion> Once you have filled out this report, mail it to submit@bugs.debian.org.
[04:01] <Kamion> it's actually intended as a bug report template; Debian installation reports go to the installation-reports package in the BTS
[04:01] <lamont> Kamion: oops
[04:02] <pantz_> has anyone else found gthumb to be behaving strangely?
[04:03] <pantz_> i only get the listing and thumbnails displayed - no 1/3 part for the current photo
[04:03] <pantz_> ie. large version of selected image
[04:03] <tritium> Perhaps I'll hold off on the install report until at least Monday.
[04:05] <Rescue> Greetings Ubuntu crowd.  Anyone here available to take a Warty PPC Bug?
[04:06] <tseng> buzilla is open 24/7
[04:06] <tseng> :D
[04:06] <Rescue> Great, couldn't find it on the website.  URL?
[04:06] <tseng>  /topic
[04:06] <Rescue> doh
[04:06] <Rescue> ok, thanks
[04:06] <tseng> thank you.
[04:06] <JanneM> is the installer able to reparttion a dsk without destroying existing data?
[04:07] <Kamion> JanneM: yes, but no responsibility for accidental data loss etc. ... backups are your responsibility :)
[04:07] <JanneM> ok
[04:07] <JanneM> I know - just wanted to know if it's _technically_ possible :)
[04:07] <Kamion> probably depends on the filesystem too, I've done it with ext3 but not others
[04:08] <JanneM> mm
[04:08] <JanneM> ext3 is the one I'd need to resize
[04:09] <JanneM> I am sorely tempted...
[04:10] <LnX_> hi all
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> JanneM: hey, what's the worst that can happen..
[04:12] <HrdwrBoB> oh wait... scratch that
[04:12] <JanneM> heh
[04:12] <JanneM> I have an external drive I can back up everything to
[04:12] <JanneM> and do, regularily
[04:12] <HrdwrBoB> ah, a realist :)
[04:12] <JanneM> it's not the data loss, it's the hassle
[04:12] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[04:13] <JanneM> don't want to end up having to reinstall FC2 if I blow that partition
[04:13] <JanneM> car recommend external firewire drive as a backup solution, btw
[04:16] <Rescue> Tseng, thanks. Bug 1380 now created. :-)
[04:17] <Rescue> I assigned it to cjwatson because I didn't know who else could perhaps work on this.
[04:17] <Rescue> later folks.
[04:19] <jsubl2> pantz_, the wife agreed to try gthumb for a week.  then I told her i would get something else
[04:20] <kc> anyone down for a quick question?
[04:20] <JanneM> pantz_: I've seen the missing picture pane in gthumb on FC2 as well
[04:20] <HrdwrBoB> it's amazing the amount of development that has come at the heels of gf/wives asking for stuff :)
[04:20] <JanneM> I have no idea how to get it back
[04:20] <HrdwrBoB> kc:ask away
[04:20] <jsubl2> the wife does most of the camera stuff
[04:20] <kc> I am trying to mount an iso via loop and it keeps giving me the error cannot find /dev/loop
[04:21] <JanneM> gqview is an OK soluton
[04:21] <jsubl2> tis  a shame we can't combine the best of gthumb and digicam
[04:21] <sladen> HrdwrBoB: they tend to have the ability to withdraw privileges ...can be a wonderful motivator
[04:21] <kc> and I did an slocate and and found the loop devs in the /.dev/
[04:21] <LnX_> kc how did you tried to mount your iso file ?
[04:21] <|Gaaruto|> hie
[04:22] <HrdwrBoB> kc:  modprobe loop
[04:22] <kc> mount -o loop -t iso9660 image.iso /mnt
[04:23] <kc> direct error is mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#
[04:23] <LnX_> kc well....then try a modprobe as told you Hrdwr_BoB 
[04:23] <pantz_> JanneM, do you know if it has been reported as a bug?
[04:23] <Kamion> modprobe loop, indeed; devices in /.dev are not active
[04:23] <kc> no dice
[04:25] <blood> hi all, i'm trying to play videos with totem but i can't, only appears a black window and the sound plays, someone can help me?
[04:25] <blood> i'm using the ubuntu warty
[04:26] <|Gaaruto|> blood> try to install a codec paquage
[04:26] <blood> i've installed all codecs from mplayer site
[04:27] <blood> i tryied to play .mpg .avi but not
[04:27] <blood> only the sound plays
[04:27] <neighborlee> blood, likely totem version can't handle what your feeding it..try: totem-xine Ithink its called or get mplayer for debian ( not from debian its another mirror that atm I dont remember..google will likely help here )....
[04:28] <toothpick> My wife likes to play pogo...how do I get java working with firefox?
[04:28] <|Gaaruto|> dont works with another player blood ?
[04:28] <kc> looks like modprobe -l show loop in the block devices. which may or may not be where it is supposed to be.  but it still give me the mount error
[04:28] <toothpick> Previously when using kanotix...debian sid type hdinstall I had to use opera to get it to work.
[04:28] <|Gaaruto|> xine, mplayer ?
[04:28] <blood> |Gaaruto|, ubuntu only have totem by default
[04:29] <blood> i will try with mplayer
[04:29] <mdz> kc: try again
[04:29] <blood> thanks
[04:29] <mdz> it takes a second after modprobe loop before /dev/loop# shows up
[04:29] <JanneM> pantz_: no idea
[04:29] <|Gaaruto|> tell us the result blood
[04:30] <blood> |Gaaruto|, ok, but i need to get the packages
[04:30] <neighborlee> toothpick, I think: tools > extentions > LINK: get more extensions
[04:30] <blood> =/
[04:30] <toothpick> thanks
[04:30] <neighborlee> np
[04:30] <kc> bah
[04:30] <kc> nothing
[04:30] <kc> and it is still in /.dev
[04:31] <kc> it should just be a root term with modprobe loop    correct?   no options?
[04:31] <HrdwrBoB> sudo modprobe loop
[04:32] <kc> *shakes head*
[04:33] <kc> nay
[04:33] <kc> recompile kernel it looks like
[04:33] <HrdwrBoB> what's the error
[04:34] <kc> mount:  could not find any device /mnt/loop#
[04:34] <HrdwrBoB> what does lsmod say?
[04:35] <kc> it says it is there
[04:36] <kc> first one listed
[04:36] <HrdwrBoB> sudo mknod /dev/loop0 b 7 0 
[04:36] <HrdwrBoB> will force it
[04:36] <HrdwrBoB> oh hangon
[04:36] <HrdwrBoB> /mnt/loop# ?
[04:37] <HrdwrBoB> or /dev/loop
[04:37] <Kamion> you *so* shouldn't need to recompile the kernel to get loop devices
[04:37] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[04:37] <kc> dev
[04:37] <Kamion> they're there as a standard module
[04:37] <Kamion> check that udevd's running
[04:38] <kc> yup on my other straight deb installation they are.
[04:38] <kc> I just installed this on a new drive and they are seemingly not there
[04:39] <Kamion> devices in /dev on Ubuntu are dynamically created using udev
[04:39] <kc> yup
[04:39] <kc> the /mknod got it
[04:40] <kc> ah I see
[04:40] <kc> excellent
[04:40] <kc> thanks
[04:40] <tseng> agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:01:00.0 into 1x mode
[04:40] <tseng> hmm wonder what that is all about
[04:41] <pantz_> JanneM, now it is :) http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1381
[04:42] <tritium> csociety.org turned down my mirror request due to lack of space...
[04:43] <SystemX_> hey
[04:44] <JanneM> heh, great
[04:45] <tritium> of course, if they were provided a scsi drive, they'd do it...
[04:45] <HrdwrBoB> pah
[04:46] <pantz_> what do i need to be able to play divx, xvid, etc?
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> we don't bother with scsi anymore
[04:46] <pantz_> totem doesn't play my stuff ootb
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> terribly expensive, when you can get a decent 3ware/etc card with SATA raid
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> pantz_: you can use marillats packages
[04:47] <blood> HrdwrBoB, where i can get this packages?
[04:47] <HrdwrBoB> http://hpisi.nerim.net/ <- not affialited with ubuntu or debian in any way
[04:51] <blood> HrdwrBoB, thanks
[04:51] <pantz_> HrdwrBoB, is marillats stuff better to install single packages or add to sources.list?
[04:52] <tseng> tritium: what about mirrors.kernel.org
[04:52] <tseng> they seem to be well supplied
[04:53] <tritium> tseng, I haven't tried that.  I'm pursuing the Purdue angle, since I'm here.  I'm still working on cerias.purdue.edu.
[04:55] <tseng> ok
[05:02] <HrdwrBoB> pantz_: I would just add it
[05:06] <bolivar> how often should one upgrade packages?
[05:07] <bolivar> as a 'rule'
[05:07] <HrdwrBoB> bolivar: if it aint broke...
[05:07] <HrdwrBoB> :)
[05:07] <bolivar> just apply the security packages?
[05:07] <HrdwrBoB> I know qutie a few people that run apt-get -d (download only) daily
[05:08] <HrdwrBoB> and then update every now and again
[05:08] <HrdwrBoB> quite
[05:09] <bolivar> my mom has been on nix for a couple years now...the distro i had her on breaks often...before i leave the country i want to find a new distro for her...so far i must say ubuntu will work great for her
[05:10] <HrdwrBoB> ah, excellent choice :)
[05:10] <bolivar> cant ssh from africa very well ; )
[05:10] <jdub> bolivar: whereabouts?
[05:11] <bolivar> nigeria...Lord willing that is
[05:11] <HrdwrBoB> bolivar: africa is a very large place :)
[05:11] <bolivar> everything is looking good
[05:11] <bolivar> right north of port harcourt
[05:11] <jdub> bolivar: did the name pique your interest? :)
[05:12] <HrdwrBoB> what are you up to in nigeria?
[05:12] <bolivar> well i am not a nigerian national...im in the usa....i dont know the native languages...nigeria has 260 seperate languages...amazing
[05:13] <djempak> bolivar, is it beautiful? ;)
[05:13] <bolivar> hrdwrbob: will be teaching in the seminary
[05:14] <bolivar> djempak: ive been doing as much reading as i can...from what ive read it sounds like the eastern border has mountains...that will be nice
[05:14] <elmaya> mdz u there
[05:15] <mdz> yes, but not for long
[05:15] <elmaya> i tried what u told me about the snd card
[05:15] <punkass> anyone get ndiswrapper working on ubuntu?
[05:15] <jdub> punkass: there were some posts on the list about it
[05:16] <elmaya> punkass, i did this afternoon
[05:16] <jeedee> I need to get this grub running :P
[05:16] <punkass> ok ill have a look..cuz i am pullin my hair out
[05:17] <tory> linus has a mac?
[05:17] <bolivar> djempak: are you from the general area of nigeria?
[05:17] <djempak> bolivar, nope, I'm from the USA, but I plan on visiting/moving to Africa in the future
[05:17] <punkass> jdub: are u refering to here: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/thread.html
[05:18] <elmaya> punkass, what's your problem with ndiswrapper
[05:19] <punkass> oh found it..
[05:19] <punkass> well it wouldnt install
[05:19] <tseng> tory: linus has a ppc64 as the main devel box
[05:19] <bolivar> does anyone own an ibook?
[05:19] <punkass> i was trying to follow the debian how-to on ndiswrappers website
[05:19] <jdub> bolivar: quite a few of us, yeah
[05:20] <punkass> but it kept saying i didnt have the kernel sources, but i did
[05:20] <tory> tseng: is it like a pseries or a powermac?
[05:20] <tseng> g5 i believe
[05:20] <tory> sweet
[05:20] <elmaya> punkass you have to install kernel-headers also
[05:20] <punkass> i just got rid of everything related to ndiswrapper...and i am going to start fresh
[05:20] <bolivar> i ask because i want something to keep in touch with my family in the states...are they as reliable as they say?  and also, have you ever used the applecare warranty overseas?
[05:20] <punkass> yeah got them too
[05:22] <pantz_> i am getting loads of /dev/mixer - no such file or directory" errors when trying to run mplayer - any ideas?
[05:23] <tritium> jdub, has Canonical given any thought to being the first company to support a handheld-based linux?
[05:23] <pantz_> eg. - ALSA lib control.c:654:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL /dev/mixer0 16%
[05:23] <pantz_> alsa-control: mixer attach /dev/mixer error: No such file or directory
[05:24] <crimsun> pantz_: do you have alsa's oss emulation modules loaded? (snd-pcm-oss, which will also load snd-mixer-oss)
[05:24] <elmaya> well i cant get my sound card to work
[05:24] <jsubl2> elmaya, alsamixer and unmute the channels
[05:25] <tritium> ubuntu for the iPaq could improve upon familiar just as ubuntu has improved upon debian
[05:26] <elmaya> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[05:27] <jsubl2> elmaya, what does sudo alsaconf say
[05:28] <elmaya> it installs it
[05:28] <blood> pantz_, change in audio preferences of mplayer to oss
[05:28] <elmaya> but it keeps saying the same
[05:28] <jsubl2> elmaya, sorry. can
[05:28] <jsubl2> elmaya, sorry. can't help you
[05:29] <elmaya> thanx anyway :)
[05:29] <punkass> elmaya: it sounds like the oss drivers are getting loading before the alsa ones
[05:29] <punkass> that was the problem i had with debian before
[05:29] <elmaya> what should i do?
[05:30] <punkass> do an lsmod, find the which oss modules are loaded
[05:30] <punkass> then edit /etc/discover.conf and add  skip yourmodule
[05:30] <elmaya> oks
[05:31] <punkass> there is a webpage where u can paste stuff..hmm cant remember the URL
[05:32] <punkass> you could paste it into #flood if you cant find it
[05:34] <mdz> pase.plone.org
[05:34] <mdz> paste.plone.org, that is
[05:34] <punkass> ive got this dell d600 when i try to power down it just sits at: acpi_power_off called but doesnt turn on
[05:34] <punkass> mdz: thanks thats it :)
[05:35] <punkass> oops i meant 'off'
[05:36] <PeaceableFrood> I just installed Ubuntu and I updated the system, and Gnome not start up, it halts at the splash screen
[05:36] <PeaceableFrood> will*
[05:39] <punkass> elmaya: well i ran through the steps in the mailing list to setup ndiswrapper
[05:39] <punkass> i did a full reboot and ndiswrapper doesnt seem to be coming up when i run lsmod
[05:40] <punkass> and its still saying there is no wireless devices
[05:41] <Fnyar> So, I've just stumbled into this thread after reading a bit about Ubuntu. I'm curious, #1 will all of my knowledge of apt work with Ubuntu, or are there slight changes to how it manages packages. #2 How can I upgrade to Ubuntu if I have Debian Testing installed now?
[05:41] <tritium> punkass, isn't that a documented bug in Dell Bioses?
[05:41] <punkass> no idea...elmaya..said that its working fine
[05:42] <tritium> punkass, the acpi_power_off issue, that is
[05:42] <Fnyar> whoops, got disconnected.
[05:42] <lamont> Fnyar: it's apt 0.5.26
[05:42] <lamont> so, no changes there.
[05:43] <lamont> the components are split up differently, though
[05:43] <punkass> ah..well the funny thing is that if i choose to reboot is fine, but if i shut down it stops there
[05:43] <Fnyar> what components?
[05:43] <lamont> testing->warty is (partially) a downgrade...
[05:43] <lamont> main/restricted/universe
[05:43] <lamont> instead of main/non-free/contrib
[05:43] <lamont> main is supported, restricted is binary-driver-blob, and universe is (basically) the rest of debian/main
[05:44] <lamont> warty version-froze end of June, so anything that went into testing since then is newer...
[05:44] <lamont> hence the best bet for testing->warty is to do a clean install.
[05:44] <Fnyar> ok, thanks lamont.
[05:44] <lamont> the truly brave are welcome to pin warty > 1000 and cross their fingers, but it's _completely_ unsupported, and likely to fail
[05:45] <Fnyar> So, if I do a clean install of Debian sid, how would I apt-get dist-upgrade to Warty? Would I just change sources.list to have some Ubuntu entries in it?
[05:45] <lamont> after a fresh install, sources.list only has main & restricted - if you want more, and are clueful enough to add 'universe' to the end of the lines, then you're presumed clueful enough to know taht universe is not supported.
[05:46] <lamont> s/sid/woody/
[05:46] <lamont> the version ordering goes: woody <warty<sarge<sid
[05:47] <lamont> the two paths are (1) upgrade from woody, or (2) install warty fresh
[05:49] <Fnyar> Ok - I'm curious exactly how I would upgrade from woody...
[05:49] <Fnyar> I'm assuming I change my sources.list and then do a dist-upgrade, but what do I add in?
[05:49] <Fnyar> or...replace rather.
[05:49] <lamont> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu main restricted (and maybe universe?) --> /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:50] <lamont> and it really wants to be a replace, not an add.  mix-n-match is bad, given that we're shipping gnome2.8 and such...
[05:50] <tvon|X31> Fnyar: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Archive
[05:50] <punkass> does universe just contain additional packages, or newer versions of ones in main/restricted?
[05:50] <tvon|X31> additional
[05:50] <lamont> and the wiki probably has better instrs than my brain at thist point...
[05:50] <lamont> additional - it's everything that's not supported (== the other 9000 packages)
[05:51] <Fnyar> tvon|X31, lamont: thanks for the info.
[05:51] <punkass> ah ok
[05:51] <tvon|X31> the main ubuntu archive has proven slow for me (since the prerelease announcement), I'd suggest trying a mirror listed on the wiki
[05:51] <lamont> punkass: warty/main has 2146 binary packages (i386), universe has the 10995 others
[05:52] <lamont> between them, they're roughly sid as of June 28, modulo failures to build, and such
[05:52] <lamont> non-free isn't in the archive, and contrib isn't yet, to the best of my knowledge, but may be considered for universe on a case by case basis.  Probably not for warty though.
[05:54] <punkass> ok thanks
[05:55] <punkass> still cant get this ndiswrapper going :(
[05:56] <subterrific> there is only one US mirror?
[05:56] <tritium> at least for now
[05:57] <subterrific> wish i could provide one :\
[05:57] <subterrific> i caught me about 6 months too late though
[05:57] <wobin> 'morning
[05:57] <subterrific> used to be in a building with 6 fiber lines
[05:57] <wobin> where do i send bug reports?
[05:58] <subterrific>  /topic
[05:58] <wobin> sorry :)
[06:10] <punkass> doh i have no sound
[06:10] <neighborlee> :(
[06:10] <punkass> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for defualt: no such device
[06:10] <punkass> and i dont seem to have alsaconf
[06:10] <punkass> hmm
[06:10] <punkass> hmmm on boot up its saying  No Soundcards found
[06:10] <punkass> but it is loading the snd_intel8x0 modules
[06:10] <neighborlee> hmm which card
[06:10] <neighborlee> oh ic
[06:10] <punkass> is onboard on a dell D600
[06:10] <neighborlee> yup
[06:10] <neighborlee> well did it for sure load the module though..
[06:10] <punkass> yeah lsmod shows a bunch of snd_intel8x0m and snd_intel8x0
[06:10] <punkass> rhythmbox gives me /dev/dsp donent exist
[06:11] <punkass> doesn't*
[06:12] <neighborlee> sounds right yes
[06:13] <punkass> i thought my wireless was my only problem..doh :0
[06:13] <neighborlee> I think alsaconf is in alsa_utils....should have it though i'd think ..shrug
[06:13] <Aan_unrel_conn> Hi. 
[06:13] <neighborlee> hi..
[06:13] <neighborlee> punkass, :(
[06:13] <Aan_unrel_conn> hi lee.
[06:13] <punkass> yes...and its my bosses laptop :(
[06:13] <neighborlee> punkass, ohoh ;-0
[06:14] <Aan> Does anyone know if ubuntu got a working proxim driver?
[06:14] <punkass> indeed
[06:14] <Aan> I am able to load proxim2_usb, but I am not able to start wlan0, :(
[06:15] <Aan> also, does ubuntu come with gcc? also, where can I get the proper kernel source (to compile proxim2 drivers), thanks.
[06:16] <punkass> linux-source-2.6.8.xxx 
[06:16] <neighborlee> Aan: nope must install afterwards
[06:16] <punkass> and apt-get install gcc
[06:16] <neighborlee> Aan: no clue at all about lan stuff sorry :(((
[06:16] <punkass> me either...still trying to get ndiswrapper working
[06:16] <Aan> punkass, cat /proc/version says I got 2.6.8.1-2-386. I am able to find 2.6.8.1 in kernel.org but not xxx-2 :-?
[06:16] <Aan> lee, i c..
[06:17] <punkass> Aan, if u use synaptic and search for linux-source you will find the ubuntu source
[06:17] <Aan> ah.. bec. of my lack of experience, getting wireless working seems pretty painful.. Only distro that I was able to get my proxim wireless was Linspire 4.5. :(
[06:17] <Aan> punkass, well, I kinda need the wireless connection working to apt-get anything ::
[06:18] <Aan> otherwise, pretty impressive distro.. 
[06:18] <punkass> ah doh!
[06:18] <punkass> yeah its pretty nice eh
[06:18] <Aan> latest kernel, pretty fast gnome, etc
[06:18] <Aan> bad sadly there is dirty of documents, and no user forum..
[06:18] <daniels> cybrjackle|lappy: could you please get http://people.no-name-yet.com/~daniels/xresprobe/xresprobe_0.4.8_i386.deb, install it on your desktop with sudo dpkg -i, then /msg me the output of 'sudo ddcprobe | grep dtiming' and 'sudo xresprobe dummy'?
[06:18] <punkass> they are working on that...the forum that is
[06:18] <daniels> cybrjackle|lappy: it should work fine for monitor-defined whacky resolutions now :)
[06:19] <Aan> btw, in theory, if I have proper modules for wireless lan, my wireless should work, right?
[06:19] <Aan> how do I associate wlan0 with proxim card?
[06:19] <Aan> like certain ethernet card (eth0 with linksys or something like that)
[06:20] <dan11> I'm currently using a DLink DWL-650, it recognized it automatically
[06:20] <dan11> :)
[06:20] <dan11> using the orinoco_cs
[06:20] <Aan> dan11, and you didn't have to do anything to setup the wireless?
[06:20] <dan11> nope
[06:20] <Aan> did you have to do lsmod?
[06:20] <Aan> i mean modprobe?
[06:20] <dan11> it just asked me for the wep key during the setup
[06:20] <Aan> really?
[06:20] <dan11> yup
[06:20] <Aan> damn, nothing for me. :(
[06:21] <Aan> I got dwl-122, so I will try this (but it's not as good as my syntax Usb wireless card which I got for free after rebate).
[06:21] <dan11> are the usb port working ok?
[06:22] <punkass> and i have some build in wireless on this dell D600
[06:22] <punkass> and no soup for me either
[06:22] <Aan> yes
[06:22] <punkass> built*
[06:22] <Aan> i am able to access my usb mouse and usb cards
[06:22] <neighborlee> Aan: linspire is nice for what it does and its target crowd but..its not  terribly good for linux non-newbies <G>
[06:23] <Aan> i mean I really like debian with apt-get.. but kinda sucks that it takes extensive tweaking to get all the drivers working..
[06:23] <Aan> :)
[06:23] <Aan> Knoppix was great (except its wireless package is broken)
[06:23] <punkass> just need more support from hardware vendors
[06:27] <Aan> hmm, damn, no partition splitter on ubuntu..
[06:27] <Aan> :)
[06:27] <lamont> Aan: package name?
[06:28] <Aan> hmm, like qsplitter or something?
[06:28] <Aan> ah..
[06:28] <lamont> found something?
[06:29] <Aan> I think I will just use partition magic in windows, to split a partition, then install linux.
[06:29] <lamont> Aan: there are some known issues, but having wireless work is pretty high on the list for us...
[06:30] <Aan> well, to your credit, only distro that allowed my generic proxim2_usb card to function was Linspire 4.5 after I compiled the latest proxim package..
[06:30] <lamont> Aan: not really sure what our current status is, but then, I'm about to face-plant into the keyboard...
[06:30] <dan11> I must say that although Ubuntu recognized my DWL-650, I wasn't able to get a Netgear WG511 working, I believe it uses the prism54
[06:30] <lamont> gotta sleep.
[06:31] <jdub> night lamont 
[06:31] <Aan> lamont, good idea. :)
[06:31] <Aan> night
[06:31] <dan11> gnite
[06:34] <jbailey> lamont sleeps?
[06:34] <Aan> jabiley, yes
[06:35] <jbailey> What I remember from Debconf was him outlasting me at night and being up before me in the morning.
[06:36] <Aan> are you guys involved with ubuntu?
[06:37] <dan11> I'm just a n00b
[06:37] <jbailey> Only in patiently waiting for them to let me throw money at them.
[06:37] <Aan> ha~!
[06:37] <Aan> well, i mean the distro was pretty slick..
[06:37] <Aan> but the text installer is efficient but sore in my eyes..
[06:37] <jbailey> My employer really likes everything to have a support contract.  We've got Debian on HP gear right now, waiting for them to support it like they do the Itaniums.  At this point, I'll take whoever gets there first.
[06:38] <Aan> fastest of the distro's I tried (except slackware and freebsd-no joke)
[06:40] <Aan_unrel_conn> l
[06:43] <dan11> do you all have a gmail account?
[06:43] <clee> dan11: heh. I'm sure anyone who wants one has one.
[06:43] <dan11> I'm giving one away to the first person that tells me the capital, and another city in Venezuela.
[06:43] <jbailey> Nope, but I get lots of spam from gmail accounts.
[06:44] <HrdwrBoB> I operate a mail cluster of 13 servers
[06:44] <HrdwrBoB> why would I want a gmail account ? :P
[06:45] <tory> I've got 12 invites I have to use up lol
[06:45] <Aan> i got a gmail account bec. I barely need it.
[06:46] <Aan> I mean 200MB from yahoo mail is more than enough..
[06:46] <Aan> Yahoo mail + yahoo pop! = heaven
[06:46] <clee> gmail is cool. I like a free gig on someone else's servers, and I like keynav in webmail
[06:46] <clee> it still makes me grin
[06:46] <dan11> I actually have my own server, but I like the GMail UI
[06:47] <Aan> well, having a search function is quite useful, even in Yahoo..
[06:47] <matt_> Hey people... New to ubuntu (and debian) and i'm having some problems getting nvidia drivers installed.. little help?
[06:47] <matt_> running on the nv drivers right now..
[06:48] <Aan> hmm, the closed source driver seemed to install pretty easily on Debian woody (but that was like a year ago).
[06:48] <punkass> install nvidia-glx, add nvidia to /etc/modules  and edit XF86config-4 file and change 'nv' to 'nvidia'
[06:48] <Aan> if you download the drivers, it should come with documentations.
[06:48] <jomohke_> dan11: give it away on http://isnoop.net/gmailomatic.php
[06:48] <matt_> Ahh maybe I need nvidia-glx eh? Hmm yeah cause the nvidia-kernel is built into 2.6 right?
[06:48] <matt_> Thx punkass
[06:48] <punkass> np
[06:49] <punkass> should be able to just apt-get install nvidia-glx
[06:49] <matt_> Aan, thx to you too.. I did check out the docs but yeah... stuck for some reason
[06:49] <clee> matt_: apt-get install nvidia-glx
[06:49] <matt_> Perfect, don't know why I forgot about that
[06:49] <clee> sed -e 's/nv/nvidia/' -i /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[06:49] <clee> modprobe nvidia
[06:49] <punkass> clee: nice :)
[06:49] <clee> restart the X server and you should be good to go
[06:49] <dan11> jomohke_: I want to give it personally
[06:49] <matt_> woah.. what's that second line about clee?
[06:49] <clee> matt_: You have to replace the 'nv' line with 'nvidia' in your XF86Config file
[06:49] <matt_> can I just nano and change it? lol.. I think I'm gonna do that
[06:50] <clee> matt_: That uses sed to do in-place editing
[06:50] <clee> it's a single command so you don't have to open the file
[06:50] <punkass> its the l33t way of editing your xf86 file
[06:50] <punkass> lol
[06:50] <matt_> Never even heard of sed lol.. that's cool though
[06:50] <matt_> =D
[06:50] <matt_> I come from gentoo.. but I got pissed off
[06:50] <matt_> It was fun though
[06:50] <Aan> do you guys keep a note for all these cli stuff?
[06:50] <Aan> matt, why weren't you happy with gentoo?
[06:51] <clee> Aan: no, I just keep it in my head.
[06:51] <matt_> Well, I found I spent too much time playing around with things instead of just using it..
[06:51] <clee> (yes, I'm being serious)
[06:51] <punkass> clee: what does the -i do?
[06:51] <clee> matt_: um, sed is like, hardcore old-school unix.
[06:51] <Aan> clee, hmm, you must have good memory..
[06:51] <matt_> Got tired of compile times too.. it's practically useless
[06:51] <clee> punkass: in-place editing.
[06:51] <punkass> ah nice
[06:51] <clee> punkass: as opposed to just spitting the file out to stdout
[06:51] <Aan> matt, heh.. figured..
[06:51] <punkass> right
[06:51] <Aan> I don't wanna compile all my stuff..
[06:52] <matt_> Ahhh thanks clee, I've only been here for 3 years or so.
[06:52] <clee> matt_: no problem.
[06:52] <Aan> three years of linux using?
[06:52] <matt_> PLUS, I always had problems with my fonts.. got really tired of that
[06:52] <punkass> clee, know anything about wireless :)
[06:52] <Aan> clee, yes :-D
[06:52] <clee> punkass: heh.
[06:52] <clee> punkass: what's your issue?
[06:53] <clee> I haven't played with ndiswrapper at all, jsyk
[06:53] <punkass> lol k
[06:54] <matt_> uhh one more question: Do I just add nvidia to /etc/modules.conf?
[06:54] <matt_> hmmm doesn't look right
[06:55] <matt_> obviously I'll modprobe as well so I don't have to reboot
[06:55] <bob2> /etc/modules
[06:55] <bob2> modules.conf is for something else
[06:55] <matt_> lol that's what I was thinkin.. bunch of alsa stuff in there
[06:55] <matt_> thx got confused haha
[06:56] <fabbione> morning guys
[06:56] <bob2> hey fabbione 
[06:56] <calc> clee: hi
[06:56] <fabbione> the next NVIDIA driver upload will have a simple utility to configure X and the kernel
[06:56] <Aan> hi fabbione
[06:56] <clee> hi, calc :)
[06:56] <fabbione> sorry but we didn't make it in time for preview
[06:56] <fabbione> the script is like:
[06:56] <fabbione> nvidia enable
[06:56] <fabbione> or
[06:57] <fabbione> nvidia disable
[06:59] <matt_> perfect guys, that was easy, thx. 
[07:00] <clee> matt_: no prob
[07:00] <matt_> Oh, more questions! (for anybody bored I guess)
[07:00] <matt_> Are any of you running xorg 6.8? Is it even possible in ubuntu right now? I haven't checked it out with apt-get yet
[07:00] <bob2> it's possible and fairly simple to build it from source
[07:00] <matt_> Just wondering, cause drop shadows are purdy.. and useful
[07:01] <matt_> ahh.. what about dependancies bob?
[07:01] <matt_> err
[07:01] <bob2> leave ubuntu's X server installed
[07:01] <bob2> install x.org to /opt or whatever
[07:01] <bob2> change the /etc/X11/X symlink
[07:01] <punkass> clee: i just cant get ndiswrapper to work correctly
[07:02] <matt_> and that's about it eh?
[07:02] <bob2> daniels: fabbione or does the transparency stuff need a new xlibs?
[07:02] <punkass> its all installed etc
[07:02] <Aan> punkass, get a syntax usb card from ecost..
[07:02] <Aan> like $20 ..
[07:02] <Aan> really good card if you can get it working..
[07:02] <clee> punkass: well, I'm useless for that
[07:02] <Aan> it works with the latest proxim2 drivers.
[07:02] <clee> daniels might be more helpful
[07:02] <matt_> ok, I may try that tomorrow.. for now I'm just gonna enjoy gnome 2.8.
[07:02] <punkass> daniels: you around?
[07:03] <punkass> thanks clee
[07:03] <clee> punkass: np
[07:03] <punkass> no i just have to figure out sound :(
[07:03] <punkass> now*
[07:03] <matt_> Also, I know HAL isn't done yet but.. did I read somewhere that it's a feature in gnome 2.8? Naw.. couldn't be
[07:03] <matt_> Would be nice to plug in my camera and have it recognized..
[07:04] <crimsun> punkass: what sort of problems are you having with sound?
[07:04] <crimsun> (just reattached)
[07:04] <punkass> on boot i see alsa errors
[07:04] <punkass> all the modules are loading
[07:04] <punkass> snd_intel8x0m etc
[07:06] <fabbione> bob2: i am not sure. but we will have X.org for hoary (6 months) and preview packages are expected no later than mid december
[07:06] <fabbione> bob2: we need to finalize Xfree86 for warty before starting on X.org. too much mess otherwise
[07:07] <bob2> fabbione: yeah, fair enough
[07:07] <jdub> cool, now i have a little icon on my desktop to switch on and off vga output for my i855 card ;)
[07:07] <Aan> fabbione, what is the progress on wireless networking?
[07:07] <fabbione> Aan: sorry but i am not working on wireless. afaik there is a page on the wiki to track it
[07:07] <punkass> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[07:07] <fabbione> Aan: i don't use wireless myself ;)
[07:08] <Aan> i c.. fabbione, i just checked the wiki, but not much right now. 
[07:08] <fabbione> Aan: did you check the mailing list?
[07:08] <fabbione> there is some discussion going on
[07:08] <Aan> nope.. haven't thought of that..
[07:08] <Aan> can I search through the mailing list?
[07:08] <fabbione> about firmwares and stuff like that
[07:08] <fabbione> Aan: i believe so
[07:08] <Aan> 'k will check it right now..
[07:08] <jdub> Aan: what kind of wifi hardware do you have?
[07:08] <fabbione> otherwise just subscribe and ask..
[07:08] <jdub> no, no search on the lists yet :|
[07:09] <fabbione> ubuntu-user is the proper forum
[07:09] <BluMax> ,\ 
[07:09] <fabbione> jdub: he can still see via thread..
[07:09] <fabbione> can't he?
[07:09] <jdub> yeah
[07:09] <BluMax> . 
[07:10] <Aan> jdub, I got Syntax Wireless USb, which I got for free afer rebate from Ecost..
[07:10] <Aan> actually, it's the best wireless card I ever used..
[07:10] <Aan> amazing reception...
[07:10] <Aan> i also got dwl-122
[07:11] <jdub> hrm, i don't know what chipset that is
[07:11] <Aan> I tried various releases, but I was only able to get it working until Linspire 4.5 (kernel 2.4) with the latest wlan package
[07:11] <Aan> it's proxim2
[07:11] <punkass> any thoughts why alsa woundn't work on a dell d600?
[07:11] <jdub> but we have lots of good wifi hardware support :)
[07:12] <crimsun> punkass: someone has it working on a d600. i'm waiting for his response (he may be asleep)
[07:12] <punkass> jdub: but not for ndiswrapper :(
[07:12] <punkass> ah ok thanks
[07:12] <Aan> punkass, ah.. ndiswrapper.. why not get a hardware with opensource driver?
[07:12] <punkass> cuz its by bosses laptop and it has built in wireless
[07:13] <punkass> its brand new..so i am not sure he wants to hear...ok you have to buy a new wifi card 
[07:13] <punkass> but if it comes down to that he might
[07:13] <jdub> punkass: ndiswrapper is totally unsupportable, dude
[07:13] <punkass> oh
[07:13] <punkass> doh
[07:13] <jdub> punkass: we might get it into restricted some time
[07:13] <Aan> punkass, just get a cheap USB wireless card..
[07:13] <jdub> but it's not a huge priority because it's so awful ;)
[07:13] <punkass> ah
[07:14] <Aan> OR, even a classic netgear wireless psmcia card for like 10 off ebay.
[07:14] <punkass> i have it all installed but its just doesnt seem to want to initialize
[07:14] <punkass> Aan: yeah true
[07:14] <Aan> yeah, I hate hardwares with no driver support. :D
[07:14] <Aan> too much pain for very little reward..
[07:15] <Aan> i mean it takes literally hours and hours of reading, compiling, reading more and tweaking to get it working..
[07:15] <punkass> ok well ill leave wireless for now...on to the sound! w00t!
[07:15] <Aan> not just worth it, unless you are from Somalia.
[07:15] <daniels> bob2: libs-wise, you just need a new render/xrender, fixesext/xfixes, damageext/xdamage, and compositeext/xcomposite
[07:15] <punkass> yeah i hear that...been workin on it now for a good 5-6 hours
[07:15] <bob2> daniels: ah
[07:16] <matt_> ahhh.. sorry guys, got another question. Should be easy..
[07:16] <clee> matt_: answer: NO
[07:16] <clee> kidding.
[07:17] <matt_> ok so I want to mount my winblows partition (so I can keep music accessible in one place)..
[07:17] <matt_> I've got everything set up in fstab, except I'm not sure which options to pass
[07:17] <matt_> the filesystem is ntfs
[07:18] <bob2> it will be read-only
[07:18] <clee> matt_: how do you have it setup in fstab?
[07:18] <bob2> but set umask=002
[07:18] <Aan> hmm, I tried this "ntfs.sys" wrapper thingy that allows stable write access..it was pretty good.
[07:18] <matt_> Ok no, not readonly though
[07:18] <bob2> matt_: then you have to use a horrific hack that loads a windows driver into the linux kernel
[07:18] <matt_> umm umask=000?
[07:18] <bob2> no, linux does not support writing to NTFS at all
[07:18] <matt_> Omg right
[07:18] <Aan> horrific hack indeed, but it won't thrash your data. :D
[07:19] <bob2> due to the complete lack of documentation on the filesystem
[07:19] <matt_> Back in the day when I used to do this I would write to vfat.. bah!
[07:19] <bob2> yup, vfat is fine.
[07:19] <Aan> matt, how about just get partition magic and convert ntfs to fat32?
[07:19] <matt_> Hmmm I wonder what I should do now... 
[07:20] <Aan> better yet, get a 160 gig hard drive for like $60 and move all that to a new fat32 partition?
[07:20] <bob2> partition magic can convert on the fly?
[07:20] <matt_> Aan, sounds perfect.. I was just thinking about that. I've got PM
[07:20] <Aan> bob2, not on the fly, but it'll reboot and do it on a minimal winxp boot
[07:20] <Aan> PM is amazing..
[07:20] <matt_> it is quite amazing
[07:20] <Aan> I've did so much tinkling with my partitions, and never lost any data.
[07:20] <matt_> alrighty.. thanks guys, I'll be back after converting lol.. then I think I know what to do
[07:20] <clee> partition magic is neat for some things but it's really crappy at others
[07:20] <bob2> wow, I would totally never trust something to do that
[07:21] <clee> for example, the parted stuff with ntfs resizing is a few hundred times faster than partition magic's ntfs resize ops
[07:21] <Aan> parted, hmm, i used it a few times under knoppix and it's frustrating to say the least..
[07:23] <clee> parted is totally insane
[07:23] <clee> but its pretty solid if you can stand the shitty text UI
[07:23] <bob2> it should come with a built-in X server
[07:23] <bob2> with full transparency!
[07:24] <Ycros> clee, eh? parted has a great text ui
[07:24] <clee> Ycros: no. it's evil.
[07:24] <Aan> heh.. all text ui is evil~!
[07:24] <clee> Aan: dude, I'm the only one in here who knew what sed was.
[07:24] <Ycros> better than fdisk and cfdisk (:
[07:24] <Aan> fdisk isn't too bad..
[07:24] <clee> I like fdisk's UI, to be honest.
[07:24] <Aan> clee, I agree.
[07:25] <Ycros> clee, sed still 'is'
[07:25] <Aan> ah, damn, I am too spoiled with windows..
[07:25] <punkass> i tried to use qtparted the other day...kinda made me crazyy
[07:25] <clee> Aan: once you get used to the CLI you don't want to go back to GUIs for things that require actual thought
[07:25] <punkass> used fdisk instead
[07:25] <clee> stuff like my music and web browsing, sure, that's fine - GUIs are great
[07:25] <Aan> I mean in windows, yes, you get BSOD, viruses, etc, but at least it's so easy to install and update stuff.
[07:25] <clee> Aan: dude, that's what Ubuntu is all about. :)
[07:25] <Aan> clee, really?
[07:25] <punkass> updating is easy on linux
[07:25] <clee> installing and updating stuff is pretty simple
[07:26] <clee> it's all Debian based, dude
[07:26] <Aan> so hopefully in Ubuntu, it won't require 3 hours to get my sound working, 6 hours to get my wireless working, and another couple of hours to enable ntfs access, etc?
[07:26] <Ycros> Where's your large software repository for windows? (;
[07:26] <clee> Aan: um, if you want ntfs *access* it's a few seconds
[07:26] <Aan> well, apt-get upgrade/update is cool, but I am talking about setting hardware stuff.. it's pain.
[07:27] <bob2> Aan: don't buy shitty hardware
[07:27] <bob2> same as with windows
[07:27] <bob2> then wireless and sound Just Work
[07:27] <clee> Aan: If you want ntfs write, it's a pain in the ass as always.
[07:27] <Aan> except in Mandrake and Suse, pretty easy hardware management.
[07:27] <bob2> if you want write access to NTFS, complain to MS, it's their fault it doesn't exist in Linux
[07:27] <clee> bob2: well, it *does* exist
[07:27] <clee> bob2: it's just that you need to load an ntfs.sys driver from a Windows system.
[07:27] <Aan> and it works pretty well. :_)
[07:27] <bob2> clee: using a horrific hack
[07:27] <clee> bob2: horrific or not, the hack works *really* well.
[07:28] <bob2> I meant "in linux" as in "part of the kernel"
[07:28] <clee> and the performance is absolutely stunning
[07:28] <clee> considering the hackishness of the whole thing
[07:28] <Aan> another annoying thing about linux.. a lot of websites won't work propery in mozilla even with shockwave plugins..
[07:29] <zenwhen> Thats an annoying thing about web devs.
[07:29] <zenwhen> Not about linux.
[07:29] <neighborlee> heh
[07:29] <tuo2> zenwhen: amen.
[07:29] <neighborlee> long as my startrek site works I"M GOOD lol
[07:29] <Aan> flash can be cool, but I would rather prefer simple website with readable font..
[07:29] <Ycros> Aan, really? I haven't seen many. In fact....
[07:29] <Aan> well, I am from Korea...
[07:30] <neighborlee> kewl..washington state here
[07:30] <Ycros> oh. well then.
[07:30] <Aan> and most Korean websites make extensive use of flash..
[07:30] <Parisi> Hey guys
[07:30] <Parisi> Im back.
[07:30] <Ycros> I've seen a lot of korean sites which don't work well in mozilla
[07:30] <clee> hi, Parisi 
[07:30] <Ycros> so I guess that's true :P
[07:30] <Parisi> Hey :)
[07:30] <aru> during "copying remaining packages to hard disk" my system stops at 27%, I tried another burn and another iso and still get the same thing, andy ideas?
[07:31] <Aan> ycros, yes.. indeed.
[07:31] <Parisi> Anyone running ubuntu on a SOny lappy :P
[07:31] <Aan> aru, tried checking the MD5 checksum?
[07:31] <bob2> aru: check the md5sum of the .iso file and the cd
[07:32] <aru> i already did
[07:32] <bob2> and both matched?
[07:32] <aru> i think it might be a hardware problem, Xandros 2 stops at 87%, the only distro i've got to work is SuSE
[07:32] <aru> yeah
[07:32] <punkass> hmm  getting a load state : No sound card found error on boot up
[07:33] <Aan> you want to see a cool Korean site check out: http://www.sinmadam.net/
[07:33] <Aan> of course, it won't work under mozilla..
[07:33] <Aan> IE, yes, IE.
[07:33] <bob2> complain to the webmaster
[07:33] <Aan> also, say no if it wants to install something, bec. it's probably some spyware.
[07:33] <bob2> and their boss, for hiring an idiot
[07:34] <Aan> hmm, it's a *cough *cough Korean warez site..
[07:34] <Aan> not that I download anything illegal..
[07:34] <Aan> for purely educational purpose.
[07:34] <bob2> er, then it sounds rather highly off-topic...
[07:35] <Aan> but the site is the most creative site I've ever seen..
[07:36] <benh> hi !
[07:36] <clee> heh.
[07:36] <benh> I'm wondering if there are any plans to go to some decent glibc version ?
[07:36] <clee> canonical guys, wake up
[07:37] <tuo2> are there any australian mirrors for ubuntu yet?
[07:37] <benh> unlike debian which is stuck with a years old one, doesn't do NTPL/TLS on ppc and is hopeless for ppc64
[07:38] <jdub> whoa, benh, dude! :)
[07:38] <benh> hehe
[07:38] <aru> hmm
[07:38] <bob2> haha
[07:38] <jdub> benh: not for WartyWarthog, but for our next release... a few people have asked about it
[07:38] <bob2> jdub: hm, would it be worth bugging a aarnet guy about an ubuntu mirror?
[07:38] <benh> getting a glibc that doesn't suck is a big pain with debian atm
[07:39] <jdub> bob2: possibly
[07:39] <jdub> bob2: we'll have one at pacific and optus soon
[07:39] <benh> jdub: interesting
[07:39] <benh> jdub: when does the next release cycle open so I jump in ? :)
[07:39] <Aan> why not set up a bittorrent seed?
[07:39] <bob2> jdub: oh, pimp
[07:39] <jdub> benh: within the month, i'm sure
[07:39] <bob2> Aan: already done
[07:39] <Aan> :D
[07:39] <jdub> Aan: we do :)
[07:40] <jdub> benh: did you see our patch for booting on G5 xserve?
[07:40] <benh> ok, I'll try to keep an eye on it
[07:40] <benh> jdub: which one ? :)
[07:40] <benh> jdub: G5s really _WANT_ a 64 bits kernel btw
[07:40] <jdub> benh: we have a few of those to build on, unfortunately haven't got smp going
[07:40] <benh> running a 32 bits kernel is really sub-optimal and I'm considering dropping support for them
[07:40] <jdub> http://www.no-name-yet.com/patches/xserve-g5.diff
[07:40] <benh> jdub: oh, I have fixed 32 bits boot in latest bk I think
[07:41] <benh> jdub: you should build biarch toolchains & build 64 bits kernels
[07:41] <jdub> 8)
[07:41] <clee> ew
[07:41] <clee> biarch is such a clusterfuck
[07:41] <benh> alan modra has nice patches that make gcc buildable without glibc
[07:41] <clee> we need real multiarch
[07:41] <Aan> wow. this chan actually got a few developers..
[07:41] <benh> no, I'm talking about the toolchain
[07:41] <benh> you do what you want for the distro
[07:41] <jdub> benh: we're considering multiarch, given amd64 and ppc64 support
[07:41] <bob2> clee: toolchain not package system
[07:41] <benh> but you want a biarch compiler
[07:41] <bob2> and debian is working on multiarch
[07:41] <jdub> Aan: we're all here
[07:42] <benh> and building a ppc64 kernel will soon require a biarch gcc anyway
[07:42] <crimsun> punkass: remove the snd-intel8x0m.ko file (rm -f) and the i810_audio.ko
[07:42] <benh> jdub: patch looks good, basically what i commited upstream
[07:42] <benh> jdub: SMP doesn't work with that ?
[07:42] <punkass> ok
[07:43] <jdub> benh: colin and thom were very excitedly setting them up when we got them ;)
[07:43] <benh> jdub: well, I admit I haven't tried a 32 bits kernel on a g5 for ages
[07:43] <jdub> benh: don't believe so, thom and colin will know more
[07:43] <bob2> "that's a rather big ipod!"
[07:43] <jdub> heh
[07:43] <clee> bob2: heh.
[07:43] <benh> well, one thing is that on ppc64, it's usually accepted that biarch distro is also the way to go
[07:43] <benh> nobody wants a ppc64 bash
[07:43] <Aan> where you guys from?
[07:43] <benh> 64 bits binaries are bigger & slower, thanks to our fucked up ABI
[07:44] <jdub> Aan: sydney, australia
[07:44] <clee> Aan: .us for me
[07:44] <benh> that's what all distros do at least
[07:44] <bob2> (shamelessly ripping off jdub)
[07:44] <Aan> also are you guys a part of some company? (like linspire, or lycoris)
[07:44] <bob2> canberra, .au
[07:44] <bob2> Aan: Canonical.
[07:44] <benh> Canberra, .au
[07:44] <jdub> clee: thom took one of the xserves to the hosting place on the tube
[07:44] <clee> Aan: The company is 'Canonical'
[07:44] <m_tthew> .us
[07:44] <clee> jdub: oh?
[07:44] <Aan> a lot of aussies, eh.
[07:44] <benh> Canonical is an .au company ? :)
[07:44] <jdub> clee: thus the, "that's a fucking huge ipod" gag
[07:44] <clee> jdub: heheheheh
[07:44] <bob2> benh: isle of man.
[07:44] <jdub> benh: nah, but 6/34 are aussie
[07:44] <clee> jdub: the new G5 iMacs look much more like big iPods tho.
[07:44] <benh> bob2: where is that ? :)
[07:45] <bob2> it just happens to be run by a .au cabal
[07:45] <Aan> any asians in the group?
[07:45] <Nafai> TINC!
[07:45] <clee> bob2: dude, there is no cabal.
[07:45] <bob2> benh: just off the coast of Scotland
[07:45] <clee> and it's definitely not pasc.
[07:45] <benh> bob2: oh, good scotch over there !
[07:45] <clee> http://cabal.freedesktop.org/
[07:45] <clee> too funny.
[07:45] <bob2> haha
[07:45] <benh> jdub: I still think biarch should be considered for ppc64 ... oh well...
[07:45] <bob2> clee: haha
[07:46] <jdub> benh: hey, could happen :)
[07:46] <benh> jdub: there will be binary apps that will be 32 bits
[07:46] <benh> jdub: that is the main problem
[07:46] <Aan> where is "Isle of Man"?
[07:46] <benh> jdub: like IBM own management tools
[07:46] <jdub> Aan: in the channel between uk and france
[07:46] <jdub> benh: yeah
[07:46] <benh> jdub: well, I nominate you to spread the message ;)
[07:46] <jdub> heh
[07:46] <benh> well, whatever option you chose, the point is
[07:47] <benh> 1) compilers should be biarch
[07:47] <benh> 2) you should be able to run both 32 and 64 bits userland binaries
[07:47] <benh> :)
[07:47] <Aan> " It is 33 miles long, 13 miles wide and covers an area of 227 square miles. More than 40% of the Island is uninhabited."
[07:47] <Aan> wow.
[07:47] <Aan> it's so small.
[07:47] <jdub> Aan: great for parties.
[07:48] <jdub> "who wants to play sardines?"
[07:48] <jdub> "again?"
[07:48] <aru> now it gives me "buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block ??????" whats that mean?
[07:49] <Aan> damn, I wanna immigrate to your island..
[07:49] <Aan> I am not too happy with my country..
[07:50] <jdub> Aan: none of the developers actually live on the island ;)
[07:50] <jdub> Aan: we're all over the world
[07:50] <aru> so i wonder if i need a new hdd
[07:51] <Aan> i c.. :)
[07:51] <clee> aru: absolutely.
[07:51] <clee> aru: any time you think you might need one, you do.
[07:51] <aru> i was thinking of some diagnostic tools, but everything i've found requires a floppy
[07:52] <m_tthew> clee: well put
[07:52] <aru> but as I stated, other distros install fine
[07:53] <bob2> to say what?
[07:53] <clee> "That's a big iPod."
[07:53] <clee> and other funny things.
[07:53] <bob2> haha.
[07:54] <Aan> Or, like specific services offered, exptertise, etc.
[07:54] <Aan> also, some short history of the company..
[07:54] <Aan> a few pictures..
[07:54] <clee> Aan: dude, I've seen these guys.
[07:54] <clee> Aan: trust me, you don't want pics.
[07:54] <whiprush> jdub: ping pong
[07:54] <Aan> ;)
[07:54] <bob2> harsh dude
[07:55] <clee> bob2: I'm just kidding. :)
[07:55] <Nafai> I've met one Canonical employee.
[07:55] <clee> bob2: Aren't you Sideshow?
[07:55] <Nafai> An Aussie even.
[07:55] <jblack>  No.  Thats bob1. 
[07:55] <Aan> you guys actually get paid? If so, enough to pay your rent and buy two meals/day?
[07:55] <bob2> clee: allegedly
[07:56] <clee> Aan: heh. No, they're all starving to death, but somehow they have internet access and computers.
[07:56] <clee> bob2: heh, rock.
[07:56] <bob2> clee: have I met you and forgotten already?
[07:56] <Aan> clee, just like me.
[07:56] <clee> bob2: heh, no. daniels was ranting about how insane it was that you ARE sideshow bob.
[07:57] <clee> bob2: daniels crashed at my place and we went to OLS, then he flew up to your meetup
[07:57] <bob2> clee: ahhhhhh, now I remember
[07:59] <bob2> clee: one day I'll find a working nuke :-/
[07:59] <clee> bob2: heh.
[07:59] <matt_> Cool so my windows drive is mounted lol.. took me long enough
[08:00] <clee> http://fooishbar.org/gallery/boston-jul04/acp
[08:00] <clee> heh.
[08:00] <clee> (that's my car that we were in!)
[08:00] <Aan> matt, PM?
[08:00] <dukeku> parkinlot
[08:00] <matt_> Aan, yeeep
[08:00] <matt_> worked a charm
[08:01] <bob2> clee: hah
[08:02] <matt_> are you all running gnome 2.8?
[08:03] <crimsun> i essentially
[08:03] <crimsun> -i
[08:04] <clee> matt_: .... anybody with ubuntu is
[08:05] <matt_> err yeah I just thought about that lol
[08:05] <matt_> ok no more dumb questions for now =D
[08:10] <jblack> clee: I'm running kde. :) 
[08:10] <clee> jblack: :)
[08:19] <jdub> whiprush: pong
[08:19] <Mithrandir> good morning
[08:20] <bob2> aloha
[08:23] <whiprush> jdub: hey are you replacing your ibook or just adding the x300?
[08:23] <whiprush> I'm in the market for a new laptop and I'm considering ppc.
[08:23] <matt_> Is there a site listing all the available packages for apt-get?
[08:24] <whiprush> wonder what limitations, if any ppc has. I hear things like w32codecs don't work (for obvious reasons).
[08:24] <bob2> matt_: run aptitude or synaptic
[08:24] <matt_> bob: is that a front end?
[08:24] <bob2> whiprush: non-free x86-only code doesn't work. no ndiswrapper, no linuxant stuff, no w32codecs...
[08:24] <bob2> whiprush: most everything else works
[08:24] <bob2> matt_: to apt? yes.
[08:25] <whiprush> hmmm.
[08:25] <Aan> matt, also try "apt-cache search 'the name of the program'"
[08:25] <Aan> very useful.
[08:25] <whiprush> I take it the airport extreme cards won't work either?
[08:25] <matt_> ok awesome.. is one better than the other?
[08:25] <matt_> thanks Aan
[08:25] <Aan> np.
[08:25] <matt_> was used to emerge -s "nameofprogram"
[08:25] <bob2> whiprush: correct
[08:26] <bob2> whiprush: I use an external usb wireless card
[08:26] <whiprush> they're mini pci cards though right? I could always swap it out I hope?
[08:26] <bob2> (in place of an airport extreme in my ibook)
[08:26] <bob2> whiprush: no, it's not a normal minipci card, you cannot use another card in there
[08:26] <whiprush> bah
[08:26] <bob2> yes, apple/broadcom suck
[08:27] <whiprush> I want a 15" powerbook, but I don't want the hassle that it brings.
[08:27] <bob2> 15" has a pcmcia slot
[08:27] <matt_> ahh, that's exactly what I needed Aan.. though I might as well check out the gui anyways
[08:27] <bob2> use a pcmcia wireless card
[08:27] <whiprush> yeah, but that's just settling.
[08:28] <bob2> "settling"?
[08:28] <whiprush> I can snag a pc notebook with built in everything that works out of the box.
[08:28] <bob2> oh, settling for a non-ideal solution
[08:28] <whiprush> right right
[08:28] <whiprush> plus, I keep snapping off antennas. hahah.
[08:28] <whiprush> I'm on my 5th orinoco.
[08:29] <Aan> well, I just don't wanna lug 6 pounder around along with my heavy books..
[08:29] <whiprush> I take it the bluetooth is linux-friendly?
[08:29] <bob2> the bluetooth in my ibook Just Worked
[08:30] <jdub> whiprush: adding the X300
[08:30] <jdub> whiprush: handy to have a ppc (even if it's slow) around
[08:30] <jdub> the bluetooth in the X300 just worked too
[08:31] <Aan> oh, trying to get bluetooth and T610 to work on LInux is another story.. 
[08:31] <Aan> :D
[08:31] <Aan> in Windows, it just works.. esp. with SP2.. not with Linux..
[08:31] <Mithrandir> Aan: can you use the keyboard while in landscape mode on the palm?
[08:32] <Mithrandir> Aan: I'm considering getting one myself
[08:32] <Aan> mithrandir, not with my keyboard..
[08:32] <Aan> which is a serial one. but if you get an IRDA or bluetooth, yes.. you can.
[08:33] <Aan> it's highly useful..
[08:33] <Mithrandir> the landscape mode?
[08:33] <Aan> yes..
[08:33] <Mithrandir> or keyboard?
[08:33] <Mithrandir> or both? :)
[08:33] <Aan> landscape mode..
[08:33] <Mithrandir> won't a BT keyboard suck a lot of batteries?
[08:33] <Aan> I find Documents to Go to be an amazing program.
[08:34] <Aan> Yes, BT keyboard will use up the battery real quick..
[08:34] <Aan> IRDA doesn't use much battery, based on what I hear..
[08:34] <Mithrandir> well, I don't trust irda links, they're not encrypted.
[08:34] <Aan> hmm, let's see.. 
[08:34] <Mithrandir> and I'm going to use ssh and such from it.
[08:35] <Aan> IRDA has a like an effective distance of like 2 feet, and is directional..
[08:35] <whiprush> Well, I suppose if you can afford the ridiculous prices on BT keyboards, you can afford the batteries.
[08:35] <Aan> mithrandir, if you wanna do ssh, you are probably better off with Zaurus.
[08:35] <Mithrandir> whiprush: it's not that I can't afford it, it's that it's annoying to change them.
[08:35] <Aan> Palm PowertoGo battery pack is only $50 off amazon.com
[08:36] <Aan> it literally 3-4X your battery.. T3 is not known for long battery.
[08:36] <Mithrandir> Aan: the zauruses are hard to come by in .no, and I like palmos a lot.
[08:36] <gnu> hey guys how do you log into root w/ ubuntu?
[08:36] <Mithrandir> gnu: you don't; use sudo.
[08:36] <bob2> gnu: as I said, it's in the FAQ
[08:37] <Mithrandir> gnu: if you really want, set a root password using 'sudo passwd root'
[08:37] <whiprush> Mithrandir: bah, I'm bitter about the whole "It took us 5 years to get this out because we wanted to engineer it to be cheap and accessible" and every mfg. seems to throw it on their $100 gadgets.
[08:37] <Mithrandir> whiprush: yeah.. the chips themselves are like $2 or so, aren't they?
[08:37] <whiprush> something like that.
[08:38] <Mithrandir> Aan: what is the battery life without it?
[08:38] <Aan> palm os is really cool..
[08:38] <Aan> 3-4 hours for normal usage..
[08:38] <Aan> under two hours with BT on..
[08:38] <Mithrandir> that's not much, no..
[08:38] <Aan> 5+ hours with screen off and mp3 playing with cpu underclocked
[08:38] <Aan> not much at all.
[08:39] <Mithrandir> but it's more like 15h with mp3 playing and screen off?
[08:39] <Mithrandir> how well does the t3 work as an mp3 player?
[08:39] <Aan> problem is, T3 only comes with 900 something (unit of battery measurement) battery
[08:39] <Mithrandir> mAh, I guess.
[08:39] <Mithrandir> milli Ampere hours
[08:39] <Aan> 15H, you wish.. :)
[08:39] <Aan> yes.. mah.
[08:39] <Mithrandir> Aan: with the ptg, I mean
[08:40] <Aan> yes..
[08:40] <Aan> ptg is amazing..
[08:40] <Aan> but seriously, I do a lot of useful things with T3..
[08:40] <Mithrandir> and you can use the ptg at the same time as you use the keyboard?
[08:41] <Aan> like GPS navigation with $60 serial gps I got, scheduling with aegendus, notetaking with Docs to Go, really good OSS calculator program, mp3 playing, etc. 
[08:41] <Aan> yes.. ptg allows serial pass through..
[08:41] <Mithrandir> goodie
[08:41] <punkass> crimsun: well removing those files didnt seem to help
[08:42] <crimsun> from a fresh reboot?
[08:42] <punkass> yeah
[08:43] <Parisi> Back
[08:43] <Parisi> On ubuntu!
[08:43] <punkass> same error when i run alsamixer etc
[08:43] <Parisi> On my lappy :)
[08:43] <Aan> punkass, try knoppix on your lappy..
[08:44] <Aan> if it works, then debian probably supports your lappy's sound..
[08:44] <punkass> hmm good idea
[08:44] <Parisi> Hey whats the asiest way to manage services under ubuntu?
[08:44] <Parisi> easiest*
[08:44] <Aan> of course, you can always try Mandrake or Suse (seems to have good hardware support)
[08:44] <Parisi> I just wanna disable a couple.
[08:44] <crimsun> punkass: did you remove ac97_codec.ko, too?
[08:44] <punkass> nope
[08:45] <bob2> Parisi: the easiest way is to remove those packages
[08:45] <bob2> Parisi: second easist is rcconf or update-rc.d
[08:46] <Parisi> Hmm..
[08:46] <tuo2> jdub: missed the log... do we have an aussie mirror yet?
[08:47] <jdub> tuo2: i'll have to check with elmo 
[08:47] <tuo2> thanks. :)
[08:47] <jdub> i gave him some contacts and stuff
[08:47] <jdub> pacific internet will have one soon
[08:47] <jdub> they're on PIPE
[08:49] <punkass> crimson: removing that one didnt hepl either
[08:50] <alakdan> hello can someone help me out on configuring my wireless card using ubuntu? I installed it on a ecs a530 transmeta laptop,
[08:50] <Parisi> What program does Ubuntu use to adust the cpu frequency by default?
[08:50] <bob2> alakdan: what sort of card is it?
[08:50] <Parisi> Anyone?
[08:50] <crimsun> punkass: are you rebooting between changes?
[08:50] <bob2> Parisi: cpufreqd.
[08:50] <punkass> yup
[08:50] <bob2> Parisi: and 17 seconds isn't very long to wait for an asnwer..
[08:50] <crimsun> punkass: ok, use #flood to paste me the ALSA-related lines from ``dmesg''
[08:51] <jdub> bob2: powernowd
[08:51] <punkass> ok..one moment..just trying knoppix 3.4
[08:51] <jdub> Parisi: powernowd :)
[08:51] <Parisi> Ah, makes more sense now.
[08:51] <Parisi> thanks :)
[08:51] <bob2> er, oops, my mistake
[08:52] <alakdan> bob2: the wifi card seems to be using prism2_usb
[08:52] <bob2> alakdan: ok.
[08:53] <Parisi> bob2, 17 secs? I would have waited all night, i didnt quite get that, ?
[08:53] <Parisi> o_O
[08:53] <bob2> nevermind.
[08:53] <Parisi> Heh, ok.
[08:54] <whiprush> anyone with an ipod get it to automount?
[08:54] <alakdan> bob2: doing ifconfig -a,  wlan0 is there but mac address is all zeroes
[08:54] <jdub> whiprush: usb or firewire?
[08:54] <whiprush> jdub: either, I have both.
[08:54] <jdub> oh
[08:54] <jdub> not sure why usb wouldn't work
[08:54] <Mithrandir> Aan: and, I guess it works well with linux?
[08:54] <jdub> firewire i doubt would work
[08:55] <Mithrandir> Aan: including getting the docs out into some non-proprietary format?
[08:55] <pete_> hooray for ubuntu. so far so good. and so impressed.
[08:55] <bob2> g-v-m doesn't do firewire?
[08:55] <whiprush> jdub: although, for a while in sid it was busted, so I'm leaning towards "busted at the moment".
[08:55] <whiprush> gvm will do firewire.
[08:55] <whiprush> just not at the moment, for me anyway. :p
[08:55] <bob2> hah
[08:55] <jdub> i didn't think hal did everything required for firewire
[08:55] <punkass> crimson: well i am listening to streaming radio via xmms on knoppix 3.4
[08:55] <punkass> tho it is probably through oss
[08:56] <whiprush> jdub: yeah, it even mounts it as "ieee1394drive" or whatever
[08:56] <whiprush> kinda cool
[08:56] <jdub> oh right
[08:56] <jdub> i should get some firewire thing
[08:56] <jdub> to plug in
[08:56] <whiprush> although, I was building from cvs, I'm wondering if the sid snapshot is just an older build
[08:57] <jdub> it's probably the age of the ubuntu version
[08:57] <whiprush> yeah that was my guess.
[08:57] <jdub> we weren't upgrading hal along with gnome post-upstream-version-freeze
[08:58] <jdub> yoglyph
[08:58] <glyph> ubuntu supports opteron, yes?
[08:58] <punkass> crimson: load_state: 1134: No soundcards found
[08:59] <subterrific> hmm, does 'flags: ...ht...' not mean that the cpu supports hyperthreading?
[08:59] <jdub> glyph: yeah
[08:59] <whiprush> glyph: yeah, that's the amd64 iso you want.
[09:00] <whiprush> warty-amd64.iso
[09:00] <subterrific> i've got this machine and i could have sworn it was a p4 3.2ghz w/ HT, but booting the smp kernel says Hyperthreading Disabled
[09:00] <subterrific> and i see no bios options for enabling it
[09:00] <glyph> the i386 iso won't work on opteron then?
[09:00] <whiprush> it'll work
[09:00] <subterrific> glyph: it will, but it would be stupid
[09:01] <glyph> hah!  trick question, no it won't work ;-)
[09:01] <glyph> at least, I've got an opteron here which is stubbornly refusing to work with it
[09:01] <Mithrandir> glyph: I'm running it on my athlon64 system at home at least.  Could you give us a bit more information that "does not work"?
[09:01] <glyph> I get through the installation procedure just fine, but when I get to the point where it's ready to boot from disk, it prints out a few messages from grub but doesn't actually hit the boot menu
[09:02] <Mithrandir> glyph: how much memory?
[09:02] <alakdan> are there any mirrors of ubuntu packages? or is it safe to add debian ones?
[09:02] <glyph> Mithrandir: Aaaah
[09:02] <Mithrandir> alakdan: yes, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Archive
[09:03] <glyph> Mithrandir: 1.5G
[09:03] <Mithrandir> alakdan: mixing Debian and Ubuntu packages should work, but is not supported.
[09:03] <punkass> crimson: Intel ICH: probe of 0000:00:lf.5 failed with error -16
[09:03] <alakdan> Mithrandir: hmmm.. its timing out. any other mirrors?
[09:04] <Mithrandir> alakdan: there are a bunch of mirrors on that page.
[09:04] <Mithrandir> glyph: what kind of error do you get?
[09:04] <Mithrandir> glyph: as in, what are the messages?
[09:05] <glyph> Mithrandir: just a moment while I check
[09:05] <crimsun> punkass: could you paste the output of ``lsmod'' on pastebin.com
[09:05] <punkass> ok i just found out that 1f.5 is the sound card and sounds like some irc error
[09:06] <punkass> crimson: ok
[09:06] <alakdan> Mithrandir: I can not access the page, can you post in on paste bin or #flood?
[09:07] <glyph> Mithrandir: GRUB loading stage 1.5...
[09:07] <glyph> Mithrandir: GRUB loading, please wait...
[09:07] <punkass> crimsun: its there
[09:07] <Mithrandir> alakdan: /privmsg
[09:07] <Mithrandir> glyph: and then nothing happens?
[09:07] <glyph> Mithrandir: yep.  Then it hangs.
[09:08] <alakdan> Mithrandir: thanks a lot! :)
[09:08] <crimsun> punkass: and this is with 2.8.6.1-2?
[09:09] <Mithrandir> glyph: what file system do you have on /?
[09:09] <punkass> yup
[09:09] <punkass> just reading on google...someone with same laptop had same error
[09:10] <punkass> irq conflict with lpt port
[09:11] <glyph> Mithrandir: ext3
[09:11] <Mithrandir> glyph: hm, ok.  That should just work.
[09:12] <glyph> Mithrandir: INDEED IT SHOULD! :)
[09:12] <Mithrandir> glyph: I need to get some food; could you please file a bug on bugzilla.ubuntu.com with as much information as you can gather?  Hardware configuration is interesting.  Please assign the bug to tfheen@raw.no and I'll follow up on it.
[09:12] <crimsun> punkass: ok, and if you juggle the irqs (i.e. disable the devices in bios you don't use), what occurs?
[09:12] <glyph> Mithrandir: You know, I think this is very likely not ubuntu's problem; I was just hoping someone here might have some insight
[09:12] <punkass> DING DING...(i think)
[09:12] <Mithrandir> glyph: we'd like ubuntu to work well on all amd64 hardware.
[09:13] <glyph> Mithrandir: This system seems to have been invaded by a ghost recently, because a previous installation of sarge used to work, and now, the same CDs that I used to install the last working version of sarge (booting less than 5 hours ago on this same machine) do not yield a working minimal install
[09:13] <Mithrandir> sounds like hardware failure, then. :/
[09:13] <glyph> Mithrandir: and actually, the win64 installer won't even boot
[09:13] <glyph> I need to scare up a spare disk to test this with.
[09:13] <Mithrandir> glyph: I doubt we can fix hardware errors. ;)
[09:14] <Mithrandir> anyway, food
[09:14] <subterrific> can someone help me out here, this is really confusing me. i've got this machine someone gave me and i just installed ubuntu on it. when i cat /proc/cpuinfo "ht" shows up in the flags. however, the bios says nothing about enabling hyperthreading and its a P4 2.5ghz 
[09:14] <glyph> Mithrandir: I'll get back to you if I can produce a coherent explanation of what's happening.
[09:14] <Mithrandir> glyph: thanks a lot
[09:14] <subterrific> is it possible that /proc/cpuinfo is wrong and the cpu really doesn't have hyperthreading?
[09:15] <subterrific> and if not, is there a way to enable hyperthreading besides using the bios?
[09:15] <punkass> crimson: that did it..turned off the ltp port in the bios
[09:15] <punkass> sweet action. :)
[09:16] <crimsun> punkass :)
[09:16] <punkass> HAHAHAHAH and that fixed my wireless problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:17] <Parisi> WHat file does 2.6 use for loading modules on boot?
[09:17] <punkass> /etc/modules i believe
[09:18] <Parisi> I do know 2.4 used /etc/modules.conf
[09:18] <Parisi> Was just wondering wheter anything has changed.
[09:18] <punkass> well there is a /etc/modules file that i added nvidia to to load it
[09:18] <crimsun> modprobe.conf
[09:18] <crimsun> but modules listed in /etc/modules will be loaded, too
[09:19] <WareHajime> Sorry to bother but can anyone help me setup a dual partition trick with this distro as I can't access the partition.
[09:19] <WareHajime> My windows Partition that is.
[09:19] <Parisi> WareHajime,  you should add an entry on your fstab :)
[09:19] <Parisi> oh oh nevermind.
[09:19] <Parisi> Read it wrong.
[09:20] <bob2> Parisi: use /etc/modules in 2.4 and 2.6
[09:20] <bob2> WareHajime: what isn't working?
[09:20] <Parisi> bob2, Will do.
[09:20] <bob2> not sure if that's a Debian-ism or not.
[09:21] <WareHajime> I wanna do the "dd if=/dev/hda2 of=/mnt/floppy/linux.bin bs=512 count=1" trick. So I can put it into a floppy then go into my windows partition and just edit my boot.ini so when it shows it I have a menu.
[09:21] <punkass> if i modprobe ndiswrapper then do a modules-update with that set it so it will load on boot up
[09:21] <WareHajime> I don't have access to a console during installation so I am stumped.
[09:21] <punkass> or should i just add it to /etc/modules
[09:21] <bob2> punkass: no, add it to /etc/modules
[09:21] <punkass> ok thanks
[09:21] <glyph> does warty do anything funny in the way of kernel patches?
[09:21] <alakdan> can some one help me out on configuring my wifi. The usb vendor string is Airvast
[09:22] <bob2> alakdan: did you read the linux-wlan-ng README?
[09:22] <Parisi> Anyone running Ubuntu on a Sony lappy?
[09:22] <bob2> WareHajime: why not let grub boot windows?
[09:22] <Parisi> This setup is tricky.
[09:23] <WareHajime> Well since I heard how Windows XP isn't happy when it's not the main MRB and it get's mad I didn't want to risk it.
[09:23] <alakdan> bob2: is the wlan-ng a different package than the wireless-tools?
[09:23] <bob2> alakdan: yes.
[09:23] <bob2> alakdan: prism2_usb does not use wireless-tools
[09:24] <alakdan> bob2: oh, ok
[09:24] <WareHajime> bob2: I wouldn't mind doing that is just I dunno if WindowsXP will work properly.
[09:25] <punkass> i just rebooted and got "Unable to acquire monitor of the Trash directory" error, should i be worried?
[09:25] <matt_> uhh I've never had winxp get mad at me when I steal it's precious mbr
[09:25] <punkass> oh..and i now have no trashbin
[09:25] <bob2> alakdan: you want the linux-wlan-ng package, which is hopefully in ubuntu...
[09:25] <matt_> yeah my trashbin module wouldn't load into the tastkbar.. what's up with that? I got an error message right from the get go
[09:26] <punkass> And i cant add it either...I get the same error
[09:26] <punkass> mine worked for awhile
[09:26] <punkass> but not anymore
[09:26] <bob2> nothing in bugzilla?
[09:26] <WareHajime> THen i'll give that a try.
[09:26] <WareHajime> Thanks matt.
[09:26] <alakdan> bob2: ok :) thanks.
[09:27] <Parisi> brb
[09:27] <FrozenAim> Hi, what are the system reguirements for ubuntu...should it work ok on my 333mhz 196 ram...
[09:28] <bob2> yes, but slowly
[09:28] <glyph> hmm
[09:28] <glyph> I think that my earlier problem may have been the result of configuring almost 6G of swap :-\
[09:29] <bob2> if you go 6gb deep into swap, you have already lost ;-)
[09:29] <FrozenAim> I think I try it first on my 333mhz...
[09:31] <glyph> wait a sec
[09:31] <glyph> swap isn't factored in by grub
[09:31] <glyph> damnit :-(
[09:31] <punkass> bob2: was that a hint? ;)
[09:32] <punkass> it doesnt look like its in gnome.bugzilla
[09:32] <bob2> punkass: ubuntu's bugzilla
[09:32] <FrozenAim> excuse me but could someone say where can u download *.deb packages?
[09:34] <punkass> oh.
[09:34] <Mithrandir> FrozenAim: from archive.ubuntu.com
[09:35] <FrozenAim> thanks
[09:35] <bob2> FrozenAim: you don't normally need to download any .deb packages manually...
[09:36] <FrozenAim> ok
[09:36] <punkass> bob2: where do i find it?
[09:36] <matt_> Could anyone recommend an mp3 encoder?
[09:36] <pastyhermit> hi all
[09:36] <matt_> lame maybe?
[09:37] <bob2> FrozenAim: what are you trying to do?
[09:37] <bob2> punkass: /topic
[09:37] <pastyhermit> I installed ubuntu-ppc on my ibook G4 and the screen just flickers when it tries to go into X
[09:37] <bob2> matt_: lame is the best I know of
[09:37] <pastyhermit> what do I do?
[09:37] <matt_> thx bob
[09:37] <FrozenAim> nothing...
[09:37] <pastyhermit> FrozenAim, ?
[09:37] <punkass> bob2: sorry..not sure what u mean
[09:37] <punkass> oh  lol
[09:38] <punkass> sorry
[09:38] <bob2> pastyhermit: it Just Worked for me.
[09:38] <bob2> pastyhermit: did you just run a default install?
[09:38] <pastyhermit> ?
[09:38] <pastyhermit> bob2, yeah
[09:38] <pastyhermit> Im on the latest 12.1" ibook
[09:39] <bob2> so am I
[09:39] <pastyhermit> grrr
[09:39] <pastyhermit> piss me off
[09:39] <matt_> do you guys have a dualboot setup? like some osx as well?
[09:39] <bob2> matt_:  I did, but I got rid of it since I never used it
[09:40] <FrozenAim> How do u install new software to ubuntu?
[09:40] <bob2> pastyhermit: try asking on the ubuntu-users list, hopefully daniel or fabio can help.
[09:40] <bob2> FrozenAim: you use "synaptic".
[09:40] <pastyhermit> hrm
[09:40] <bob2> but it worked perfectly for me last week
[09:41] <FrozenAim> does synaptic come with ubuntu?
[09:41] <bob2> FrozenAim: yes.
[09:41] <pastyhermit> alright
[09:41] <pastyhermit> bob2, where is this list and how do I access it?
[09:41] <matt_> Ahh.. ok cool. I think I may buy an ibook this year sometime.. haven't had a laptop yet
[09:42] <bob2> pastyhermit: lists.ubuntulinux.org
[09:43] <pastyhermit> bob2, cool thanks
[09:43] <pastyhermit> bob2, gave me some error
[09:44] <matt_> uhoh.. is lame not available through apt-get?
[09:44] <pastyhermit> like no lists or something
[09:44] <matt_> Hrmm 
[09:44] <bob2> matt_: no, it's not in ubuntu, since the people who claim to hold patents on mp3 encoding are not very friendly
[09:45] <bob2> pastyhermit: http://lists.ubuntulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
[09:45] <matt_> Hmm ok thankyou bob
[09:45] <bob2> you can download the source and build it yourself if you like
[09:46] <subterrific> or use ogg if you can
[09:46] <bob2> even better
[09:47] <punkass> bob2: how do i know who to assign it to (the bug)
[09:47] <Parisi> is there any player on ubuntu that plays divx/avi files?
[09:49] <crimsun> doesn't totem?
[09:49] <subterrific> hah
[09:49] <matt_> ahhh I can use ogg
[09:49] <subterrific> i'm not sure i've gotten totem to play anything
[09:49] <punkass> i sometimes wonder why companies (like divx) will make Max OS X versions but not linux
[09:49] <matt_> But should i? there's no control over quality.. I wonder
[09:49] <bob2> punkass: I'm not sure.
[09:49] <punkass> ok
[09:49] <bob2> punkass: because they can sell it on mac os
[09:49] <Parisi> Totem wont show any image on my lappy.
[09:49] <matt_> totem plays mpgs for me.. uhh and that's all I've tried so far lol
[09:49] <Parisi> Only audio.
[09:50] <bob2> matt_: vorbis almost always beats mp3 for quality at the same bitrate
[09:50] <punkass> but they have free versions to download for win and mac
[09:50] <Parisi> and wheres mplayer :(
[09:50] <Parisi> or xine
[09:50] <bob2> Parisi: ubunutu can't ship it
[09:50] <matt_> bob, I know this sounds extremely noobish but how do I reply JUST to you so people don't get confused here?
[09:50] <bob2> no distribution can
[09:50] <matt_> ahh
[09:50] <matt_> I figured it out haha
[09:50] <Parisi> Not cool (
[09:51] <bob2> matt_: prefix my name
[09:51] <bob2> er, nick.
[09:51] <matt_> #bob2 testing
[09:51] <matt_> err prefix? uhoh
[09:51] <bob2> matt_: like this
[09:51] <matt_> bob2: like this?
[09:52] <matt_> hmm
[09:52] <bob2> yes.
[09:52] <matt_> that JUSt sent to you? Strange.. xchat doesn't show me the difference when sending.
[09:52] <matt_> Thanks
[09:52] <bob2> no, it goes to the channel
[09:52] <matt_> ahh, but it highlights, now I see
[09:53] <bob2> yes.
[09:53] <bob2> private messages are something else, and not something you'll be doing with me
[09:53] <matt_> bob2: You're my hero, I'm such an irc noob
[09:53] <matt_> lol @ bob
[09:53] <bob2> hah.
[09:53] <matt_> reminds me of that kid.. with the mullet talking about yaahhhoo chat.
[09:54] <steve_> bob2: Uhm, any chance you have a URL for the mplayer/xine thing? Is that a stupid patent issue, or a licensing issue?
[09:54] <matt_> oh god..
[09:54] <Parisi> DO i have any other options besides Totem for player?
[09:54] <Parisi> Totem just plain sucks no offense.
[09:54] <bob2> Parisi: anything. mplayer, xine...but you'll have to build them yourself.
[09:54] <Parisi> Ok, will do.
[09:54] <bob2> or find someone to rebuild marillat's packages for Ubuntu.
[09:54] <Parisi> Isnt that on unstable brench apt repository for debian?
[09:55] <Parisi> stable/unstable
[09:55] <bob2> Parisi: no
[09:55] <bob2> again, mplayer is not in Debian.
[09:55] <matt_> I kindof like how totem has everything built into 1 window.. I know there's gmplayer but it's annoying that it uses 2 seperate windows
[09:55] <Parisi> Totem wont even play my Steve Vai MPEG!
[09:55] <Parisi> Blasphemy!
[09:55] <matt_> ouch..
[09:55] <bob2> steve_: mplayer might be able to go into debian soon, and ubuntu might agree then
[09:55] <bob2> steve_: it comes up on debian-legal all the time
[09:56] <steve_> bob2: I don't think I have the patience for d-l ;)
[09:57] <subterrific> xine is in universe
[09:57] <subterrific> if you enable it
[09:57] <matt_> bob2: btw I was aware of ogg's better overall sound at the same size.. it's just too bad I can't change the quality. 
[09:57] <matt_> I wonder if it's set at 128..
[09:57] <bob2> matt_: eh? of course you can.
[09:57] <matt_> probably be able to tell from the size..
[09:57] <matt_> bob2: apparently not through sound-juicer
[09:58] <matt_> bob2: which is what rhythmbox uses
[09:58] <matt_> not that I should care about that lol.. just convenience I guess
[10:01] <Parisi> At this point i just wanna play my collection of videos, *sigh*
[10:01] <Parisi> Im hopeless.
[10:02] <matt_> hmm.. you can't compile mplayer?
[10:02] <Parisi> From scratch? Why should i have to?
[10:02] <matt_> I kindof want it too.. I'll give it a go right now and see if I can get it to work
[10:02] <matt_> Who cares?
[10:02] <Parisi> o_O
[10:02] <Mithrandir> Parisi: because it's not redistributable due to patent issues, and potential other legal issues.
[10:03] <Parisi> Why is it possible to have that under eiher WIN and OSX then?
[10:03] <subterrific> Parisi: install gxine
[10:03] <bob2> Parisi: As I've said many many times now, there are legal and patent issues.
[10:03] <Mithrandir> Parisi: not everybody cares about legal exposure.  We do.
[10:03] <subterrific> its in synaptic if you enable universal
[10:03] <bob2> Parisi: windows programs either pay for liscenses or are willing to take the risk.
[10:03] <Parisi> Isnt that legal under OSX ?
[10:03] <bob2> Parisi: if someone paid for a license, yes.
[10:04] <bob2> Parisi: you're welcome to pay MS for a windows media license yourself.
[10:04] <Parisi> I never had any problems playing anything under my old g4 :(
[10:04] <Mithrandir> Parisi: the binary distribution of mplayer under MOSX is probably not legal, no.
[10:04] <QuaD-> hey, i have a question, what reasons should i switch from debian to ubuntu?
[10:05] <punkass> any word on thunderbird 0.8 and firefox 1.0PR comin to ubuntu?
[10:05] <Mithrandir> QuaD-: if you need time based released, for instance, Ubuntu might be better than Debian for you.
[10:06] <pepsi> asdf
[10:06] <QuaD-> what do you mean time based release? i use debian unstable and upgrade twice a week
[10:06] <Mithrandir> QuaD-: ubuntu releases twice a year.
[10:07] <matt_> on the exact schedule as gnome... coincidence?
[10:07] <tuo2> QuaD-: I also think that if you want security support for recent software (eg stuff that's not in stable), Ubuntu is better
[10:07] <xxorroxx> ???
[10:07] <QuaD-> hmmm
[10:07] <Mithrandir> matt_: I doubt it's a coincidence, as jdub is the gnome RM.
[10:07] <xxorroxx> 0?0
[10:07] <tuo2> plus I like the basic security policy. :)
[10:07] <QuaD-> do you guys use an apt-get type system
[10:07] <Mithrandir> QuaD-: yes
[10:08] <Mithrandir> QuaD-: ubuntu is a snapshot of sid from late june, stabilized and some features added.
[10:08] <punkass> hmm is it bad when ifconfig gives you nothing 
[10:08] <punkass> my network is gone..:(
[10:08] <QuaD-> hmm, alright
[10:09] <QuaD-> so what makes this different then just doing an apt-get upgrade
[10:09] <Mithrandir> QuaD-: it's a different distributions with a bunch of different goals than Debian.
[10:09] <Mithrandir> QuaD-: also, if you need a supported AMD64 distribution, ubuntu might be for you.
[10:09] <Parisi> *sigh*
[10:10] <Parisi> Anyone willing to trade an old ibook for my Sony Lappy ?
[10:10] <Parisi> Heh.
[10:10] <QuaD-> the AMD64 distro will hopefully be for winter time :)
[10:10] <QuaD-> right now normal 32bit intel
[10:10] <Parisi> This is too painful :(
[10:10] <pepsi> have any of you had problems with the keyboard on a g4?
[10:10] <pepsi> during install
[10:10] <QuaD-> trying not to seem rude, i am not really seeing the reason to upgrade
[10:10] <mdz> pepsi: none here
[10:11] <cef> woops
[10:11] <pepsi> it doesnt recognize keystrokes unless i hold the key down, and then the key sticks
[10:11] <pepsi> so i cant type anything
[10:12] <mdz> QuaD-: I'm not sure that you would want to switch from unstable to a stable release, if that's what you like
[10:12] <mdz> QuaD-: we'll be opening up our development branch for the next release shortly; maybe that'll catch your eye ;-)
[10:12] <QuaD-> :)
[10:13] <pepsi> mdz, do you have any ideas what might be causing this? it works fine in the bootloader.. :(
[10:14] <mdz> pepsi: no, I'm afraid not
[10:14] <mdz> I haven't seen anything like that happen
[10:15] <subterrific> mdz: do you know who pepsi should talk to about this?
[10:15] <mdz> a number of ubuntu developers use powerpc systems, and if any of them had seen the problem, it would be fixed by now :-)
[10:15] <mdz> you can file a bug in bugzilla if you like
[10:16] <pepsi> ok
[10:16] <mdz> then at least if someone else stumbles across it, they'll find your report
[10:16] <subterrific> you've got a pretty old G4 right pepsi?
[10:17] <Tomcat_> pepsi: Checked other distros?
[10:17] <Tomcat_> pepsi: Does Google find anything about it?
[10:17] <elemental> why are my codepages/local changing in gnome by their self
[10:17] <elemental> its freaking me out
[10:17] <pepsi> ive install gentoo before, although i never set it up
[10:17] <elemental> it switches to asian keyboard input .. on random
[10:17] <elemental> wtf
[10:17] <elemental> in all applications
[10:17] <elemental> firefox/xchat/gaim/everything
[10:17] <elemental> english ->
[10:17] <elemental> ???
[10:17] <elemental> ???
[10:17] <elemental> ????
[10:17] <elemental> help
[10:18] <elemental> it changes then goes back
[10:18] <glyph> how do I tell ubuntu that my monitor can do better than 640x480@60? :-(
[10:18] <elemental> help help help
[10:18] <elemental> glyph: ??????
[10:18] <elemental> ??^^
[10:18] <glyph> elemental: I have heard good things about its autodetection, I'm just wondering if I have to invoke it
[10:18] <elemental> yeah , It is
[10:18] <elemental> but cant
[10:19] <elemental> help you
[10:19] <elemental> my keyboard is fucked
[10:19] <elemental> keeps going to asian text
[10:19] <elemental> weird fucking shit
[10:19] <elemental> err , guess I can
[10:19] <elemental> you have to manually add the modes if it doesnt auto detect
[10:19] <elemental> oh yeah
[10:19] <elemental> glyph
[10:19] <elemental> CONTROL-ALT-(PLUS or Minus) 
[10:20] <elemental> ??? ? ? ???? ???
[10:20] <elemental> ?????
[10:20] <elemental> ???
[10:20] <Tomcat_> lol
[10:20] <elemental> ?
[10:20] <elemental> ?
[10:20] <glyph> elemental: nah, those just change modes.  It's got the sync ranges wrong
[10:20] <Tomcat_> If it wasn't so tragic it'd be totally funny. :o
[10:20] <elemental> ??????????????????????
[10:20] <punkass> ok how do i get a trash bin on my desktop?
[10:21] <daniels> glyph: what happens if you run 'sudo xresprobe dummy'?
[10:21] <Parisi> hmm, interesting..
[10:21] <elemental> ?? ?
[10:21] <elemental> ????
[10:21] <Parisi> Kaffeine does play my xvid files, just really slow.
[10:21] <daniels> glyph: please /msg me the output of that and 'sudo ddcprobe'
[10:21] <daniels> elemental: please fix your keyboard or such
[10:21] <Parisi> and it was included on apt-get
[10:23] <elemental> ??????????????????????
[10:23] <elemental>  ?? ?????
[10:23] <elemental> ????????????
[10:23] <matt_> ewww.. kaffeine sucks
[10:23] <Parisi> heh
[10:24] <Parisi> Works good on another distro iv used previously.
[10:24] <glyph> daniels: I would if I could get this machine connected to the internet - one step at a time :)
[10:24] <Parisi> Conectiva if im not mistaken.
[10:24] <punkass> bob2: how do i get the trashbin on my desktop?
[10:24] <daniels> gly	heh
[10:24] <punkass> oh hes gone
[10:24] <daniels> elemental: please correct your keybaoard or something, it's becoming quite disruptive
[10:24] <lemental> ugh
[10:25] <lemental> wtf
[10:25] <lemental> is up
[10:25] <lemental> with gnome 2.8
[10:25] <lemental> or x
[10:25] <lemental> or whatever
[10:25] <wobin> printer testpage says 'ximian desktop'
[10:25] <lemental> my codepages/locale are changing on their own
[10:25] <punkass> daniels do you know how to get the trashbin back on the desktop
[10:25] <lemental> wobin: they contribute code to gnome
[10:25] <daniels> punkass: not sure, sorry
[10:25] <Mithrandir> wobin: we know about it, it might be fixed for final.
[10:25] <punkass> ok
[10:25] <lemental> please help me someone
[10:25] <crabbox> has anyone got integrated wifi chip to work after installation ? I got dell inspiron 4150 and wifi is not working ...
[10:25] <lemental> my keyboard input is changing to asian stuff
[10:25] <lemental> randomly
[10:26] <wobin> lemental: i know, just mentioning it :)
[10:26] <lemental> how do I shut it off
[10:26] <punkass> i got it working with a dell D600
[10:26] <lemental> PLEASE help
[10:26] <elemental> ???
[10:26] <elemental> ???
[10:26] <Parisi> ugh!
[10:26] <crabbox> punkass: what chip do you have ?
[10:26] <Parisi> This is non sense.
[10:26] <punkass> umm broadcom
[10:26] <lemental> Parisi: its not my fault .. theres a bug
[10:26] <Parisi> brb, i have to reboot.
[10:26] <glyph> daniels: there's a lot of output to copy and paste, but I can tell you it looks sane - it gives me the right list of modes with xresprobe, and the right list of ranges / modes / identifiers with ddcprobe
[10:27] <daniels> lemental: if you file a bug in our bugzilla (http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com), we can probably work it out, but debugging it over irc is difficult, and i don't think there's anyone here with the requisite knowledge
[10:27] <lemental> daniels
[10:27] <lemental> wtff
[10:27] <daniels> glyph: hm. what resolutions does xresprobe spit out? looks like a bug in the xfree86<->xresprobe interaction
[10:27] <lemental> Im suppose to just use X ?
[10:27] <lemental> err
[10:27] <lemental> console
[10:27] <lemental> no way
[10:27] <thom> punkass: Applications/System Tools/Configuration Editor; go to apps/nautilus/desktop and flick trash_icon_visible to true
[10:27] <lemental> only reason I installed this crap is for gnome 2.8
[10:27] <punkass> crabbox: broadcom: BCM94306 
[10:27] <daniels> glyph: if you could please /msg me a list of the resolutions you get, that would be great, thanks
[10:27] <lemental> it just changes to asian text on the fly
[10:27] <lemental> b. s !
[10:27] <punkass> thom: thanks
[10:27] <glyph> daniels: okay, urm
[10:27] <crabbox> cardctl ident will show it but the gnome network admin does not see it
[10:27] <lemental> pango == internationalization ?
[10:28] <glyph> I must not have my ethernet driver loaded
[10:28] <subterrific> is there any chance alsa drivers will be upgraded soon?
[10:28] <lemental> nobody here has a clue ?
[10:29] <thom> lemental: seriously, you've not given us enough information - gnome really doesn't just change locales on the fly for fun
[10:29] <subterrific> apparently ubuntu ships alsa 1.0.4 and version 1.0.5 has support for my card :(
[10:30] <thom> lemental: did it used to work correctly? did you change anything and then it started changing to asian?
[10:31] <mdz> subterrific: which kernel release includes alsa 1.0.5?
[10:31] <matt_> well, I'm trying to watch a dvd now with gxine.. installed libdvdnav4 as well.. but keep getting the error "can't read NAV packet"
[10:31] <matt_> any ideas?
[10:33] <lemental> thom: I didnt change anything
[10:33] <lemental> thom: its possessed
[10:34] <lemental> thom: I even tried loading gnome as different users .. and in 'failsafe gnome' mode , which loads DEFAULT gnome
[10:34] <lemental> thom: its a system issue , a bug .. and it came from nowhere , like a virus .. its driving me nuts
[10:35] <subterrific> mdz: it looks like 2.6.7 included ALSA 1.0.5 patches
[10:35] <subterrific> mdz: and alsa 1.0.6a is the latest stable: http://lwn.net/Articles/98208/
[10:35] <mdz> subterrific: ubuntu has 2.6.8.1
[10:35] <lemental> thom: I'll issue bug reports , when/if I can even load firefox .... grrr
[10:35] <subterrific> mdz: http://lwn.net/Articles/87390/
[10:36] <crabbox> same goes to my soundcard... not working even it is intel8x0
[10:36] <lemental> Im about to uninstall this shit
[10:36] <thom> lemental: what does Computer/Desktop Preferences/Keyboard/Layout say you have?
[10:36] <lemental> I just installed blackbox , and it doesnt show up as a choice under gdm ....
[10:37] <subterrific> mdz: well i guess Linus didn't actually put the patches in Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.4 is what /proc/asound/version says
[10:37] <thom> crabbox: fire up a terminal, run alsamixer, see if your sound card is detected and unmuted?
[10:37] <punkass> crabbox
[10:38] <punkass> you might have the same problem as me
[10:38] <crabbox> no go with alsamixer
[10:38] <crabbox> no such device
[10:38] <punkass> it took me most of the day to figure out
[10:38] <punkass> wanna know what it is?
[10:38] <crabbox> please impress me :-)
[10:38] <punkass> lol
[10:38] <punkass> its a irc confict
[10:38] <punkass> conflict*
[10:39] <crabbox> what the f*ck ?
[10:39] <punkass> go into the dell bios and turn off your lpt port
[10:39] <punkass> and all should be well
[10:39] <subterrific> crabbox: my other machine with intel8x0 works, but it doesn't do hardware or software mixing...whenever two things play a sound the second one gets queued up until the first sound finished :(
[10:39] <crabbox> just a moment ...
[10:39] <punkass> it gave me my sound and wireless back
[10:40] <crabbox> if this works I do hope that it will be fixed during some update for the ubuntu...
[10:40] <punkass> subterrific: can u add a .asoundrc file to get software mixing
[10:40] <thom> there's a bug open about it already
[10:40] <crabbox> that is good
[10:41] <punkass> i just use one from the dmix site and it works good
[10:41] <thom> crabbox/punkass: Ubuntu #1254
[10:43] <damien_> what is the package name for the kernel source ?
[10:44] <thom> damien_: apt-cache search linux-source
[10:44] <punkass> thom..thanks..i just disabled it in the bios..since i know no parrallel printer is going to be attached to this machine
[10:44] <punkass> i guess i could have just takin lp out of /etc/modules too
[10:44] <matt_> arg can anyone play dvds?
[10:44] <thom> sure. it'd be nice to fix it properly tho :-)
[10:44] <punkass> yeah
[10:45] <crabbox> cheers mates ! now it works !
[10:45] <damien_> thom: cheers.. I'm new to debian :)
[10:45] <punkass> crabbox: good to hear
[10:45] <MacPlusG3> matt_: there are many legal issues with that - the guys are looking into it
[10:46] <alakdan> bob2: thanks a lot for the help, I can now access the internet via wifi :)
[10:47] <crabbox> I am a long time linux user but still those things just make me mad... hardware faults and software problems... got no time to debug
[10:47] <az[a] zel> its the same on OS X... ive been trying to get a DWL-122 USB wireless key working, but the Mac drivers are horrendous
[10:48] <az[a] zel> interestingly, the device works perfectly under linux
[10:48] <az[a] zel> but I don't really have enough hard drive on my ibook to install linux... maybe if I could get a live CD
[10:48] <setakht> prism drivers > *
[10:48] <punkass> matt_: yes i can
[10:49] <MacPlusG3> az[a] zel: once you get used to linux on ibook, you won't go back to OS X :)
[10:49] <az[a] zel> MacPlusG3: I dunno.. I'm pretty impressed with OS X :) I run linux on my desktop anyway
[10:49] <az[a] zel> well I'm running ubuntu for AMD64 at the moment
[10:50] <MacPlusG3> az[a] zel: yeah.. it's a not bad proprietry unix.
[10:50] <MacPlusG3> az[a] zel: but things like evo really make the switch worthwhile
[10:50] <MacPlusG3> az[a] zel: that and the fact it doesn't cost you $200 every year for an OS upgrade
[10:51] <az[a] zel> MacPlusG3: yeah evolution is a nice mail client, for sure...
[10:51] <crabbox> see ya later
[10:51] <MacPlusG3> az[a] zel: and multisync will sync contacts and calender between machines.
[10:51] <MacPlusG3> az[a] zel: it's also faster (linux)
[10:51] <az[a] zel> MacPlusG3: yeah I'm a bit worried about the $200 upgrades, as a lot of people don't like supporting older versions of OS X.. I see a lot of places that say "works only on 10.3".. soo
[10:51] <MacPlusG3> az[a] zel: yeap
[10:52] <Qton> When I try to install Ubuntu it gets stuck in "Scanning CD-Rom" just after the boot screen. Any idea why?
[10:52] <MacPlusG3> az[a] zel: same with 10.0->10.1 and 10.1->10.2
[10:52] <az[a] zel> MacPlusG3: the only real reason for me to run OS X, is so my g/f can run Office.. and also, the glitzy openGL stuff tends to impress people :)
[10:52] <az[a] zel> MacPlusG3: and sleeping works, and Airport Express works, etc..
[10:53] <MacPlusG3> az[a] zel: i keep giving OO.org to ppl and they're real happy. 
[10:53] <MacPlusG3> az[a] zel: those two are a bit of a problem
[10:53] <MacPlusG3> az[a] zel: i solved it with a pcmcia wifi card
[10:53] <MacPlusG3> az[a] zel: but on the ibook you have to go usb
[10:53] <az[a] zel> MacPlusG3: I've tried getting people to use OO.o.. but the problem is, my university wont support it, and exporting to .doc has problems
[10:54] <MacPlusG3> az[a] zel: that's something that needs to change (the uni)
[10:54] <MacPlusG3> az[a] zel: you can also run OSX from within linux with Mac-On-Linux
[10:55] <punkass> hmm with this dell D600 if i close the lit and open it again..all i have left is flashing cursor
[10:55] <elemental> at full speed ?
[10:55] <az[a] zel> MacPlusG3: yeah I know, that's cool... it'd be nice to have a compatibility layer so you can run individual OS X apps on Linux.. like how FreeBSD has Linux binary compatibility
[10:55] <az[a] zel> MacPlusG3: NetBSD has a project for OS X binary compatibility
[10:55] <MacPlusG3> az[a] zel: the big problem there would be the graphics layer... it's not X.
[10:56] <az[a] zel> MacPlusG3: yeah, true... would need a layer to translate drawing calls to the X11 interface
[10:57] <elemental> I prefer just having open source apps and the code to look at
[10:57] <elemental> instead of emulating or running ports
[10:57] <Loduriel> insn't it the purpose of GNUstep to have compatibility with OSX?
[10:58] <Loduriel> *one* purpose
[10:58] <elemental> ???
[10:59] <az[a] zel> they're not implementing cocoa AFAIK, or quartz even.. 
[10:59] <subterrific> Loduriel: don't think that has even been a GNUStep goal
[10:59] <Loduriel> at least GNUstep apps are working in OSX with the same code
[10:59] <subterrific> GNUStep's goal is to implement a free version of the OpenStep spec. GNUStep has been around a lot longer than OS X
[11:00] <az[a] zel> that's the whole underyling /Application /System/Libary/Frameworks sort of thing eh?
[11:00] <az[a] zel> and the .app directories ?
[11:00] <subterrific> no
[11:01] <az[a] zel> ok, I don't know what OpenStep/NextStep is then :)
[11:01] <subterrific> OpenStep is a framework for building applications in Objective-C
[11:01] <subterrific> an API
[11:01] <subterrific> very similar to Java or .NET
[11:01] <MacPlusG3> but compiled natively - so faster
[11:02] <MacPlusG3> but lots of dynamic features in the language
[11:02] <Loduriel> so... since OSX use this API, GNUstep apps can run in OSX, right?
[11:02] <MacPlusG3> and you can build an Obj-C gui part to a C/C++ app
[11:02] <subterrific> Loduriel: right, Cocoa is based on OpenStep
[11:02] <MacPlusG3> Loduriel: well... at least with minimal modification
[11:02] <MacPlusG3> Loduriel: or using the gnustep libs
[11:03] <Loduriel> ok but the contrary is wrong
[11:03] <MacPlusG3> Loduriel: just trickier :)
[11:03] <Loduriel> MacPlusG3, subterrific: ok
[11:03] <subterrific> GNUStep is to Cocoa as Mono is to .NET
[11:03] <subterrific> very rough way of thinking about it
[11:03] <elemental> anyone have their xchat/gnome-term/firefox/gaim all go nuts and switch to asian fonts
[11:03] <subterrific> if that helps
[11:04] <elemental> any idea on how to install all fonts besides english ?
[11:04] <elemental> install/uninstall
[11:04] <subterrific> elemental: someone else just mentioned that problem
[11:04] <elemental> it was me
[11:04] <subterrific> oh
[11:04] <elemental> lemental/elemental
[11:05] <elemental> lemental == console bitchx
[11:05] <Loduriel> subterrific, i understand better now, thx
[11:05] <elemental> but for some reason xchat isnt acting up
[11:05] <elemental> ???????????
[11:05] <elemental> ??
[11:05] <az[a] zel> wtf, apt-get says it installed gcc, but it didn't.. and when I try again, it says it's already installed
[11:06] <az[a] zel> it couldn't read the cd because the cdrom wasn't mounted
[11:06] <az[a] zel> or maybe I can't find where gcc is
[11:06] <az[a] zel> oh it is installed.. there just isn't a gcc link
[11:07] <az[a] zel> should I manually add a gcc symlink in /usr/bin or is there some more elegant "debian like" way of setting up the default gcc compiler?
[11:08] <elemental> ugh
[11:09] <az[a] zel> if you want to build stuff, should you install dpkg-dev ?
[11:09] <az[a] zel> I just installed gcc-3.3, is that enough?
[11:10] <elemental> you need to install autoconf/make/gcc/etc
[11:12] <elemental> what are you trying to build
[11:12] <|Gaaruto|> can i use debian package with my ubuntu ?
[11:12] <elemental> sorry .. xchat is on crack , keeps switching fonts to asian
[11:12] <az[a] zel> hmmm, trying to get NVIDIA drivers to install.. not working
[11:12] <elemental> |Gaaruto|, its called 'universe'
[11:13] <elemental> az[z] zel: this dist is really starting to get on my nerves honestly .. 
[11:13] <elemental> ???????????
[11:13] <elemental> ??
[11:13] <elemental> ????
[11:13] <elemental>  ??
[11:14] <cef> az[a] zel: are you installing the restricted packages or are you trying to install the binaries off the nvidia site?
[11:15] <az[a] zel> cef: binaries off the nvidia site
[11:15] <az[a] zel> am I supposed to just install packages? :)
[11:15] <cef> ahh.. there are precompiled binaries for nvidia in package form
[11:15] <az[a] zel> oh ok!!
[11:16] <cef> think it's the 'linux-restricted' package.. can't remember off the top of my head
[11:16] <az[a] zel> gettng em now
[11:16] <az[a] zel> nvidia-kernel-common
[11:16] <cef> still then need to reconfigure X manually
[11:16] <az[a] zel> wish I had've known that in the first place
[11:16] <az[a] zel> yeah that's easy
[11:16] <cef> heh
[11:16] <jdub> linux-restricted-modules...
[11:16] <jdub> choose the one for your kernel
[11:16] <jdub> and nvidia-glx
[11:17] <az[a] zel> hmm, i'm downloading nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-settings, is this bad?
[11:17] <Qton> Im having trouble installing Ubuntu. It gets stuck after the initial boot screen while trying to scan the CD-Rom. Probably checking for file integrity? Does anyone have an idea whats wrong with it?
[11:17] <cef> I really should actually install the nvidia drivers instead of just using the nv driver
[11:18] <Elix> I saw on the Ubuntu wiki (http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog_2fusplash) some discussion about including a cool graphical bootloader and startup (a la bootsplash). Does anyone know if I should expect this soon, or if I should just go about configuring it myself? 
[11:18] <jdub> Elix: it'll turn up in the development branch soon after it opens
[11:19] <Elix> jdub: Great, thanks!
[11:22] <az[a] zel> hmm, I installed nvidia-kernel-common, but there's no nvidia kernel module installed
[11:23] <cef> az[a] zel: 
[11:24] <cef> az[a] zel: look at the 'linux-restricted-modules' package that matches your kernel
[11:24] <jdub> az[a] zel: it's linux-restricted-modules
[11:24] <jdub> az[a] zel: apt-cache search for that, and choose the one that suits your kernel
[11:24] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> hey all
[11:25] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> can someone tell me where to file a bug report ?
[11:25] <Tritoch|L> isnt the module already in the kernel, try to load it with modprobe nvidia
[11:25] <cef> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: look at the bugzilla line in the topic
[11:26] <cef> jdub: we need an infobot, damnit!
[11:26] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> indeed
[11:26] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> lol
[11:26] <az[a] zel> jdub: cant find that package
[11:26] <az[a] zel> jdub: is the source for that setup by default?
[11:27] <jdub> az[a] zel: type,
[11:27] <az[a] zel> restricted sources are definitely in my apt-get source list
[11:27] <jdub> apt-cache search linux-restricted-modules
[11:27] <jdub> that will list the pacakges available
[11:27] <az[a] zel> jdub: that returns nothing
[11:28] <jdub> apt-get update and try again?
[11:28] <az[a] zel> just did that
[11:28] <jdub> cef: i think we do, yeah
[11:28] <az[a] zel> seriously, in my sources, there is no linux-restricted-modules
[11:29] <jdub> $ apt-cache search linux-restricted
[11:29] <jdub> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-2-386 - Non-free Linux 2.6.8.1 modules on 386
[11:29] <jdub> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-2-686 - Non-free Linux 2.6.8.1 modules on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV
[11:29] <jdub> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-2-686-smp - Non-free Linux 2.6.8.1 modules on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV SMP
[11:29] <jdub> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-2-k7 - Non-free Linux 2.6.8.1 modules on AMD K7linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-2-k7-smp - Non-free Linux 2.6.8.1 modules on AMD K7 SMP
[11:29] <jdub> 
[11:30] <Tritoch|L> az[a] zel, have you tried modprobe nvidia, that was all i had to to after installing the nvidia files
[11:30] <az[a] zel> jdub: am I supposed to enable the "universe" source in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[11:30] <az[a] zel> Tritoch|L: nah there is no nvidia module
[11:30] <jdub> no, just restricted
[11:30] <Tritoch|L> well that and add it in the /etc/modules file
[11:30] <az[a] zel> well it's there, and I'm not seeing those modules
[11:30] <jdub> that is very bong
[11:31] <Elix> While I'm here, I'm trying to get my Palm Zire 21 to work with gnome-pilot via USB, but I'm having a tough time figuring out which device ("Port") to tell it to use (or to symlink /dev/pilot to). I'm not a complete newb, but I am fairly new at configuring Linux... 
[11:32] <azeem> Elix: it's ususally /dev/ttyUSB0 or /dev/ttyUSB1
[11:32] <jdub> Elix: /dev/ttyUSB0 most likely
[11:32] <Mitario> hello everyone
[11:32] <azeem> Elix: best to check /var/log/syslog or something and see what device gets detected
[11:32] <Elix> jdub: Hrmmm... I don't have either of those devices, unfortunately.
[11:32] <jdub> Mitario! DUDE!
[11:32] <az[a] zel> jdub: is it because I'm running AMD64 ?
[11:32] <azeem> Elix: they get created on demand
[11:32] <jdub> Mitario: we've been trying to get in touch with you
[11:32] <Elix> azeem: Ah, cool. Thanks, I'll try that.
[11:32] <az[a] zel> jdub: nobody has compiled an nvidia module for the AMD64 kernel?
[11:33] <Mitario> jdub, haha, yeah i know :)
[11:33] <jdub> Mitario: we've got trashapplet patches, and we're using it by default! :)
[11:33] <jdub> az[a] zel: hrm, might not be uploaded yet
[11:33] <Mitario> jdub, yeah i saw, that's really great! thanks :)
[11:33] <will``> wwot
[11:33] <jdub> Mitario: nice to see you here :)
[11:33] <Mitario> jdub, thanks :)
[11:33] <will``> i got ubuuntu to work finally
[11:34] <Mitario> jdub, pathces will go upstream as soon as trashapplet is in gnome cvs and is in bugzilla
[11:34] <jdub> Mitario: awesome
[11:34] <jdub> Mitario: should be able to get it into 2.10, too :-)
[11:34] <Mitario> jdub, jep :)
[11:34] <az[a] zel> Mitario: any ETA on getting the nvidia kernel module for AMD64 into the repository?
[11:34] <Mitario> jdub, i've already talked to davyd about that, so everthing is settled
[11:34] <jdub> awesome
[11:35] <Mitario> az[a] zel, i'm sorry i wouldn't know :)
[11:36] <az[a] zel> oh well, I'll just use the nv driver for the time being
[11:36] <elemental> az
[11:36] <elemental> you get it to compile ?
[11:37] <jdub> az[a] zel: not sure, but i know fabio, mdz and daniels were looking at it
[11:37] <az[a] zel> elemental: nah, I was hoping to install the package, but it doesn't appear to be available for AMD64 yet
[11:37] <elemental> jdub: any idea why gtk2/gnome stuff is changing fonts of asian stuff , and how I?? ?????
[11:37] <elemental> ??????
[11:37] <elemental> ???
[11:37] <elemental> ?? ??  
[11:37] <jdub> no
[11:37] <elemental> ??
[11:37] <elemental>  ? ????????
[11:38] <subterrific> i think his font changed ;)
[11:38] <jdub> heh
[11:38] <jdub> hrm :)
[11:38] <azeem> that's bash.org material I guess :)
[11:38] <subterrific> totally
[11:40] <elemental> ugh
[11:40] <cef> elemental: bad timing
[11:40] <elemental> lame++
[11:40] <elemental> have to use ksirc
[11:40] <elemental> gnome/gtk2 are screwed up
[11:40] <elemental> bad timing ? why
 jdub: any idea why gtk2/gnome stuff is changing fonts of asian stuff , and how I?? ?????
[11:40] <Mitario> jdub, ok, davyd agreed to put it in :)
[11:40] <Mitario> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152928
[11:40] <elemental> cef: those question marks are asian crap
[11:41] <elemental> gnome/gtk2 apps are screwed up ++
[11:41] <martink> "Ubuntu includes the very best in translations"? hah, your web browser doesn't even speak my language ;-)
[11:41] <cef> elemental: yes, that's why i said 'bad timing'
[11:41] <jdub> martink: ;)
[11:41] <elemental> cef: why , he answer the problem ?
[11:41] <cef> elemental: the problem..
[11:41] <jdub> Mitario: hrm
[11:41] <elemental> I want to remove all fucking languages beyond english , before my head explodes
[11:41] <jdub> Mitario: i wonder if it wouldn't be better in nautilus itself?
[11:42] <elemental> it changes fonts to asian , after a few minutes of working normally (gnome/xchat/ anythin gtk2 , gaim , firefox , whatever)
[11:42] <elemental> it worked fine for a few days
[11:42] <elemental> then this  starts
[11:42] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> no nvidia-glx package in the repository yet either
[11:42] <elemental> kde is ok , beyond being UGLY++
[11:42] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> I think KDE looks good
[11:43] <elemental> its ugly trust me
[11:43] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> I think gnome is getting better.. but I've always found it to be pretty ugly.. it's very drab (browns and stuff everywhere)
[11:43] <Mitario> jdub, hmm, maybe so... but it's just an applet, and i don't know if the nautilus maintainers are prepared to put it in nautilus
[11:43] <elemental> the icons and themes are not even comparable to kde , kde is geeky++
[11:43] <Mitario> jdub, i could start a discussion on one of the lists tho
[11:43] <cef> az[a] zel_ubuntu: too 'quakey' eh?
[11:44] <Mitario> jdub, but i think i want to put it in gnome-applets for now, just for the time beeing
[11:44] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> I like bright colours.. like the OS X icons
[11:44] <subterrific> az[a] zel_ubuntu: with gnome you have tons of themes to pick from. bluecurve isn't brown at all for example
[11:44] <jdub> Mitario: i just commented on the bug
[11:44] <elemental> az[a] zel_ubuntu: all the kde logos are fugly =]  
[11:44] <subterrific> with kde you're pretty much stuck with plastik...
[11:45] <jdub> az[a] zel_ubuntu: seen the Human icon theme in ubuntu?
[11:45] <elemental> subterrific: nothing in gnome is brown , hes on something =]  hehe
[11:45] <Mitario> jdub, ok, yea i just saw, hmm, maybe wait for davyd's reaction..
[11:45] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> jdub, not yet
[11:45] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> jdub, oh I'm running it now
[11:45] <jdub> az[a] zel_ubuntu: tiny sample of what's to come
[11:45] <jdub> az[a] zel_ubuntu: you're running the Human theme, but not the Human icon theme
[11:45] <elemental> jdub: speaking of ubuntu issues , you know why I cant load gnome/any gtk2 app , because after a few minutes it gets possessed and changes to asian fonts on keyboard input (not output)
[11:45] <pitti> Morning
[11:46] <jdub> elemental: no, i don't know
[11:46] <jdub> elemental: what applets are on your panel?
[11:46] <jdub> hey pitti 
[11:46] <elemental> jdub: I really dont know how to file the bug report ..I dont know whats causing the problem
[11:46] <elemental> jdub: nothing but default stuff
[11:46] <elemental> jdub: im in KDE cause I cant even use gnome anymore .. its possessed
[11:47] <elemental> after a few minutes in xchat , gaim , firefox , whatever .. when I type it goes to chinese/or something
[11:47] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> ok I just switched to the human icon theme.. hmm.. doesn't do it for me yet.. I don't like the folder icons.. bright yellow, yikes
[11:47] <subterrific> elemental: when you go to Keyboard Preferences, does the Selected layout change?
[11:47] <elemental> jdub: Ive been running linux 10+ years , code c/c++/perl , no idea wtf is going on
[11:47] <elemental> subterrific: everything says english
[11:47] <elemental> I double checked every tool ...
[11:47] <elemental> everything is normal
[11:48] <elemental> I loaded 'failsafe gnome'
[11:48] <elemental> still does the asian fonts after awhile of being normal
[11:48] <elemental> failsafe gnome is default gnome .. no setup scripts .. etc
[11:48] <elemental> so , that should always work normally
[11:48] <elemental> yet
[11:48] <elemental> it doesnt
[11:49] <subterrific> its only gtk apps?
[11:49] <Ass_on_Fire> Can anybody help me find the nvidia-glx package? I don't know where to find it.
[11:49] <elemental> yeah
[11:49] <elemental> kde works fine
[11:49] <elemental> console works fine
[11:49] <elemental> only gtk2 apps acutally
[11:49] <Ass_on_Fire> Can i use the nvidia-glx package form debian.org ??
[11:49] <elemental> gtk1.2 stuff works fine
[11:49] <jdub> Ass_on_Fire: nvidia-glx is in restricted
[11:50] <elemental> and kde on ubuntu , pops up errors every 10 seconds .. hehe
[11:50] <elemental> so and so crashed
[11:50] <elemental> etc
[11:50] <Ass_on_Fire> in restricted ??
[11:50] <elemental> "unknown - The KDE  Crash Handler"
[11:50] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> does powervr.src.rpm works fine on ubuntu ?
[11:50] <subterrific> wtf
[11:51] <Elix> Still not having luck with Pilot. I have 6 USB ports and I'm using a USB mouse. Are the ttyUSB# ports assigned in order, whenever they're requested, or does each specific port get the same number? According to lsusb, my mouse is on Bus 002 Device 003, and my palm is on Bus 001, Device 007. Should it still be using ttyUSB0 or ttyUSB1? Thanks.
[11:51] <elemental> nothing goes down .. k3b loads that kde crash handler thing all the time , so does konsole
[11:51] <elemental> but , the actual apps dont  crash
[11:51] <elemental> I know its preview but damn
[11:51] <elemental> hehe
[11:51] <elemental> bout to change back .. cant deal with all this crap
[11:52] <elemental> gnome 2.8 isnt worth it .. I can build it from source
[11:52] <jdub> elemental: haven't seen this anywhere else
[11:52] <jdub> no one else has reported it
[11:52] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> one thing
[11:52] <elemental> jdub: its VERY strange
[11:53] <Elix> (Well I for one have been very much enjoying Ubuntu, and have been recommending it to friends. A few crashes, sure, but it sure is slick, easy, and powerful!)
[11:53] <elemental> jdub: I did use universe ,and install a TON of stuff
[11:53] <jdub> elemental: uh huh...
[11:53] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> why does ubuntu says i don't have the permissions to access /mnt/win (mounted windows partition)
[11:53] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> ?
[11:53] <jdub> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: most likely because it's mounted for a different user
[11:54] <jdub> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: have a look at the permissions on the files in the mounted partition
[11:54] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> hm hmm
[11:55] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> and can i change the permission for the whole folder ?
[11:55] <jdub> you'd have to mount it differently
[11:55] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> ok w8
[11:55] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> chown
[11:55] <jdub> no, no
[11:55] <jdub> doesn't work like that for non-*nix disks
[11:55] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> no?
[11:55] <jdub> you actually have to put the user it should be owned by in fstab
[11:56] <jdub> or make it mountable by users
[11:56] <jdub> and then mount it yourself
[11:56] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> ok at fstab i know how to
[11:56] <elemental> jdub: whos the lead developer
[11:56] <skel_> hello
[11:56] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> but wont it be mounted auto at boot ?
[11:58] <jdub> elemental: mdz's the distro group lead
[11:58] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> is there any DVD burning software?
[11:58] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> btw how can i make it mountable by normal users ready to be read/writen
[11:58] <jdub> az[a] zel_ubuntu: nautilus-cd-burner works with dvds
[11:58] <jdub> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: add 'user' to the fstab line
[11:58] <jdub> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: then your user can mount it
[11:59] <jdub> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: and all the permissions will be right
[11:59] <jdub> (from memory)
[11:59] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> hmm ok
[11:59] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> jdub, isn't growisofs needed for burning DVD's ?
[11:59] <jdub> az[a] zel_ubuntu: we have dvd+rw-tools
[11:59] <subterrific> az[a] zel_ubuntu: nautilus-cd-burner is a front end for growisofs
[12:00] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> jdub, oh ok
[12:00] <jdub> az[a] zel_ubuntu: which includes growisofs
[12:00] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> supported out of the box then :)
[12:00] <azeem> what's wrong with the list archives of -users? Threads seem to be messed up all over the place
[12:00] <jdub> yes :)
[12:00] <jdub> azeem: oh?
[12:01] <azeem> or are people really just replying to further posts?
[12:01] <werewolf> Hi all, I just installed a restricted version of gnome in ubuntu, but I have thi error: "Enable to acquire monitor of the Trash dir"
[12:01] <azeem> with a new subject
[12:01] <elemental> mdz is skilled++ , he works on myth too 
[12:01] <cef> azeem: welcome to the internet..
[12:01] <jdub> azeem: oh, right, pipermail only does threads to a certain level
[12:01] <jdub> azeem: and some posters have been breaking threads
[12:02] <azeem> eugenia.
[12:02] <jdub> :)
[12:02] <azeem> yeah, looking at it again, it does not look so bad as I remembered from last night
[12:03] <Elix> Sigh... I'm getting confused. Each time I press the sync button on my Palm, the Device number listed by lsusb gets incremented by one... Does that device number have anything to do with the device name in /dev? I've created ttyUSB2 through 10 (using "mknod /dev/ttyUSB10 c 188 3", "chown root:dialout /dev/ttyUSB*"), though they don't magically disappear like ttyUSB0 and 1...
[12:04] <azeem> jdub: don't use daniels as your background singer. He'll probably "back your punchlines" and shout every second word you say again to give it more weigth
[12:04] <ajmitch> heh
[12:05] <jdub> azeem: man, daniels brings on the bling-bling
[12:05] <daniels> (represent)
[12:05] <elemental> how hard is it to make a standardized package system , self extracting to PATH , static binaries
[12:05] <azeem> Elix: yeah I noticed this, too, at the time it was not working correclty
[12:06] <elemental> would just work
[12:06] <elemental> :P
[12:06] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> are there 32bit libraries for GTK 2.0 in the repository ?
[12:06] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> (amd64 repository)
[12:07] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> can't install, e.g. realplayer without 32bit compatibility
[12:07] <Elix> azeem: So... there's a problem in the Preview Release? Well, I guess that definitely makes me feel like less of an idiot ;-)
[12:07] <azeem> Elix: no
[12:07] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> whoops, I do have gtk2 32bit, just the realplayer installer cant see it
[12:07] <azeem> Elix: I had this problem last week with my mum's Tungsten E on Debian sarge
[12:08] <daniels> tuo2: bling is love
[12:08] <Elix> azeem: Any luck solving the problem, or is it an issue with the Palm itself (perhaps Palm OS5?)
[12:08] <azeem> Elix: it just means that your system still thinks your Palm is connected while you start another connection
[12:08] <tuo2> daniels: bling hates me. I'm too indie for bling. 
[12:09] <daniels> ahr
[12:09] <Ass_on_Fire> Can someone give me an _exact_ location for nvidia-glx?
[12:09] <|Q|> howdy
[12:09] <daniels> i should get a massive multi-finger gold ring that says 'ubuntu'
[12:10] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "icybox".
[12:10] <cef> daniels: you're home I take it? I've still got some bling for you to take over when you visit fabbione, remember?
[12:10] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> damn!!
[12:10] <daniels> cef: bling! ;)
[12:10] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> is there a "rehash" like in bsd ?
[12:10] <daniels> cef: i'm home, but just about to run out for the night, sadly
[12:10] <cef> daniels: ahh fair enuff
[12:10] <cef> daniels: then tomorrow sometime
[12:10] <daniels> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: yeah, it's called 'rehash'
[12:10] <daniels> cef: sounds good, cheers :)
[12:11] <scaroo> SeTh_thE_SinNeR, bash doesnt need to bo rehashed
[12:11] <Elix> azeem: Ah, I see. That makes sense. So if I just pre-emptively predict what the next number is, do you figure that would work (once I've created ttyUSBn up to n <= 255)? I've never dealt with USB devices before...
[12:11] <azeem> no, it should just work for ony device
[12:11] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> scaroo, it's for fstab
[12:11] <azeem> eh, one
[12:11] <scaroo> oh sorry
[12:11] <tuo2> daniels: There's a marketing idea if I've ever heard one. 
[12:11] <Elix> azeem: so, it should be working using ttyUSB0 or 1?
[12:12] <tuo2> ubuntu: word to all of your mothers.
[12:12] <cef> hrm, wodner if there is a way to tell udev to assume it's always the same device
[12:12] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> daniels, lol
[12:12] <khalek> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: rehash is a csh thing
[12:12] <cef> wonder even. my finders are too fast for each other
[12:12] <cef> argh! fingers.. they're drunk too methinks
[12:13] <cef> hrm, I have port, and I've had a very very long week.. hrmmmm
[12:13] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> hmm yes
[12:13] <Ass_on_Fire> Nobody else needs to install nvidia drivers i see? :(
[12:13] <jdub> Ass_on_Fire: it's in restricted
[12:13] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> but appending things to fstab
[12:13] <jdub> if you have that in your sources.list
[12:13] <Cardador> Ass_on_Fire, i've installed them
[12:13] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> doesn't need a rehash to the sys ?
[12:14] <khalek> cef: and a sore head tomorrow morning :)
[12:14] <Ass_on_Fire> Yes. But were do i find this "restricted" dir/address
[12:14] <scaroo> seth : mount -a ?
[12:14] <jdub> you should be able to install it
[12:14] <jdub> Ass_on_Fire: it's a default entry in sources.list
[12:14] <jdub> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: no
[12:14] <Cardador> Ass_on_Fire, edit your repository with synaptic
[12:14] <Cardador> you just have to check the boxes for all the lines
[12:15] <tuo2> khalek: sore heads are the best. I love them.
[12:15] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> so why does this continues to say i don't have the permission ?
[12:15] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "icybox".
[12:15] <Keybuk> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrnckjnh0.4no.jsiltala%40marvin.mosa.homelinux.org
[12:15] <Keybuk> ^ <g>
[12:16] <elemental> ok , question .. why am I getting a KRASH report on EVERY kde app I close
[12:17] <elemental> "KDE crash Handler"
[12:17] <scaroo> woooow ! gnome-bluetooth is gooooooooooooooooooooooooood :) is there any plan to integrate it with gvm ?
[12:17] <Ass_on_Fire> Yes! Found it, thx :)
[12:17] <jdub> scaroo: with gvm?
[12:17] <jdub> scaroo: how so?
[12:18] <grzesieq> hi
[12:19] <grzesieq> anyone got ubuntu working on a powerbook?
[12:19] <scaroo> jdub, like conciderieng my device (eg. my phone) as a volume, in wich i could copy/paste/create files
[12:19] <jdub> oh right
[12:19] <jdub> i think you can only do that with certain bluetooth devices
[12:19] <jdub> but that'd be cool
[12:20] <jdub> when in range, you'd get a disk icon ;)
[12:20] <scaroo> yes, that s it !
[12:20] <hypatia> Should popularity-contest ask me questions when I upgrade? (It was installed by default, I presume?)
[12:20] <jdub> hypatia: ideally, no
[12:20] <hypatia> jdub: bug worthy?
[12:21] <jdub> hypatia: yeah, i'd say so
[12:21] <jdub> matt only just changed it
[12:21] <MacPlusG3> scaroo: but you can send and receive items from bluetooth phones.
[12:21] <MacPlusG3> scaroo: and on a powerbook too (with built in bluetooth)
[12:21] <elemental> its like I'm invisible
[12:21] <elemental> hehe
[12:21] <MacPlusG3> scaroo: gnome-bluetooth is the package you should look at. you'll also need the bluez stuff - including the firmware
[12:21] <jdub> MacPlusG3: he's already doing that, had a different idea
[12:21] <MacPlusG3> jdub: ahh...
[12:22] <jdub> i have a repo of edd's bluetooth foo up
[12:22] <MacPlusG3> scaroo,jdub: i think the sony ericsson CD comes with stuff that does something similar - but for windows. i.e. it should be possible :)
[12:22] <rootb0y> has anyone tried shipit.ubuntulinux.org?
[12:23] <jdub> rootb0y: yeah
[12:23] <rootb0y> I'd like to know how "free beer" it is
[12:23] <grzesieq> MacPlusG3: I presume you have an apple computer?
[12:23] <jdub> rootb0y: we'll ship you cds around the end of october.
[12:23] <hypatia> filed
[12:23] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: yes.. running linux
[12:23] <jdub> rootb0y: free beer, even the bubbles
[12:23] <azeem> Keybuk: that post implies that ubuntu is a snapshot of sid at the point of release
[12:23] <grzesieq> MacPlusG3: Do you use airport extreme?
[12:23] <hypatia> the right question to ask is "what kind of beer?"
[12:23] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: no - it's not supported
[12:23] <rootb0y> no shipping costs or anything?
[12:23] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: under linux
[12:23] <jdub> rootb0y: no
[12:24] <rootb0y> cool
[12:24] <azeem> Keybuk: when do you guys freeze the upstream stuff for != GNOME?
[12:24] <MacPlusG3> jdub: gather there's some way to get a stack of CDs for the LUV crowd?
[12:24] <jdub> MacPlusG3: shipit.ubuntulinux.org...
[12:24] <grzesieq> MacPlusG3: i was hoping it would work on 'generic' driver or something..
[12:24] <khalek> hypatia: scared you'll end up with fosters or something?
[12:24] <jdub> azeem: wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog/ReleaseSchedule
[12:24] <scaroo> jdub, funny business to ship at its own 
[12:24] <MacPlusG3> jdub: so not ready for the ubuntu talk?
[12:24] <grzesieq> MacPlusG3: 'cause how good is a laptop without WiFi? ;-)
[12:25] <jdub> MacPlusG3: no
[12:25] <azeem> bah, gnome-terminal does not consider that a link :)
[12:25] <hypatia> khalek: I dislike most beer, so I'm just looking out for the masses.
[12:25] <jdub> MacPlusG3: but i'll have ISOs of a recent daily with me
[12:25] <Ass_on_Fire> I still need to uncomment the Load "GLCore" and Load "dri" in the XF86Config file. Right ?
[12:25] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: it's a broadcom chipset - and they're being assholes with it. there are binary only wrapper stuff for x86 (useless on ppc). or binary only Darwin(OSX) drivers
[12:26] <grzesieq> MacPlusG3: any attempts on reverse engineering or whatever it's called?
[12:26] <MacPlusG3> jdub: cool - number of ppl have already been playing - but there's interest, so a bunch of CDs on the night could do quite well.
[12:26] <azeem> about halfway through, then
[12:26] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: everyone just uses PCMCIA/usb cards
[12:26] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: considering they're $70AUD or less these days...
[12:26] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: it's cheaper than AE :)
[12:26] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: there may be... i dont' have an AE card (bought pcmcia)
[12:27] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: and most developers are like that atm.
[12:27] <grzesieq> MacPlusG3: Now they give them with every new pb.
[12:27] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: ahh..
[12:27] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: didn't used to :)
[12:27] <khalek> MacPlusG3: one of the apple guys at auug forwarded an email on to the right people (tm) but I have yet to hear back and doubt I will..
[12:27] <MacPlusG3> khalek: yeah... it's broadcom that are the problem, not apple
[12:27] <grzesieq> MacPlusG3: yeah, i think it's only the latest version.
[12:28] <grzesieq> MacPlusG3: the nice feature is that it uses the built-in antennas.
[12:28] <khalek> MacPlusG3: yeah but finding a person to talk to at broadcom would be useful
[12:28] <MacPlusG3> khalek, grzesieq: apple is getting better - stuff that they write the drivers of are often open source (e.g. sound). so even though the license and code can'tn work with linux, it's good being able to read stuff (so ppl who write ppc sound drivers tell me :)
[12:28] <khalek> MacPlusG3: also not everyone has the luxury of pcmcia given 12" laptops don't have them
[12:28] <khalek> s/them/it/
[12:29] <khalek> grzesieq: http://www.scaramanga.co.uk/stuff/bcm94306/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-bcom4301/
[12:29] <Cardador> Ass_on_Fire: yes, and change the driver name to nvidia
[12:29] <Ass_on_Fire> k, done already :)
[12:30] <Cardador> Ass_on_Fire: edit /etc/modules and put nvidia on the bottom
[12:30] <Cardador> or else your x wont start :)
[12:30] <Ass_on_Fire> hey that's new to me :)
[12:30] <Ass_on_Fire> thx
[12:30] <Cardador> np
[12:31] <Ass_on_Fire> that's all ??
[12:31] <Cardador> i think so
[12:31] <Ass_on_Fire> k, thx :)
[12:31] <Cardador> at least that was what i did
[12:31] <MacPlusG3> khalek: hrmmm... interesting
[12:31] <grzesieq> Everything else works ok on macs?
[12:32] <khalek> depends what you're after
[12:32] <khalek> nvidia chipsets won't have 3d and suspend
[12:32] <grzesieq> Uhm... Bletooth?
[12:32] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: you probably won't get 3d accelleration
[12:32] <khalek> newer ati chipsets won't fully suspend
[12:32] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: or suspend
[12:32] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: on recent ones anyway
[12:32] <grzesieq> Bah.
[12:32] <khalek> 3d works on the ibooks
[12:32] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: bluetooth works fine - been syncing and sending images and mp3s around.
[12:33] <grzesieq> I use bluetooth for syncing my schedule with my mobile phone, and i _really_ need it.
[12:33] <Keybuk> azeem: oddly enough, I'm writing a blog post about exactly that at the moment
[12:35] <grzesieq> Sometimes I think I should've bought an x86 laptop...
[12:36] <mteira> Why on Nautilus, right button on a mp3 file, properties, open with, I'm not able to change the default selected program?
[12:36] <ajmitch> so you don't just accept random debian packages into ubuntu then?
[12:36] <scaroo> mteira, you ve got a "open with..." entry
[12:36] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: yeah - same.
[12:36] <MacPlusG3> grzesieq: it works on ppc - no problems :)
[12:36] <mteira> scaroo: Yes.
[12:37] <mteira> scaroo: OPen with another app , in spanish.
[12:37] <jdub> ajmitch: how do you mean? all of main is in universe
[12:37] <ondrej> is sgml-data installed correctly on your ubuntu? mine wants to upgrade each time to same version as installed
[12:37] <jdub> ajmitch: but we have particular supported packages
[12:37] <ajmitch> jdub: that's useful then
[12:38] <mteira> Also, in the Audio/Video tab, "There was an error trying to create the view named 'Audio/Video': System exception: IDL/omg.org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0
[12:38] <grzesieq> MacPlusG3: But then I realize that on mac everything works, plus it looks great. :)
[12:38] <mteira> scaroo: But I mean while trying to change the default program, on the "Open with" tab.
[12:38] <mteira> scaroo: On the file properties window.
[12:39] <Cardador> anyone knows how to change from spatial to normal view on nautilus?
[12:39] <scaroo> mteira, ok, gonna try it asap
[12:39] <jdub> Cardador: in preferences
[12:39] <mteira> Cardador: In nautilus preferences.
[12:39] <mteira> Cardador: The first group, the last option.
[12:39] <jdub> Cardador: behaviour > always open in browser windows
[12:39] <ajmitch> is universe still getting packages in from sid?
[12:40] <jdub> ajmitch: no
[12:40] <scaroo> mteira, same problem here :(
[12:40] <jdub> ajmitch: froze a while back
[12:40] <jdub> ajmitch: see the release schedule on the wiki :)
[12:40] <mteira> Another problem with the encoding.
[12:40] <scaroo> mteira, the oter choices a greyed 
[12:40] <scaroo> s/oter/other/
[12:40] <ajmitch> jdub: ok, wasnt' sure if that applied to everything or not :)
[12:40] <mteira> I've tried to use beep-media-player but the dragndrop doesn't work.
[12:40] <ajmitch> since it has some old versions of my packages there
[12:40] <ondrej> jdub: I have spare machine with two 36GB discs; do you think that this would be enough to make czech mirror of Ubuntu?
[12:40] <mteira> I think it's for the UTF vs Latin1 encoding.
[12:41] <jdub> ajmitch: we sync up some stuff after freeze for bugfixes, and of course gnome ;)
[12:41] <jdub> ondrej: um, from memory, yes
[12:41] <mteira> Humm, should I fill bug reports for this problems?
[12:41] <mteira> Or should be enought to comment them out here?
[12:41] <Cardador> jdub and mteira: thank you!
[12:42] <mteira> Cardador: You're wellcome
[12:42] <mteira> I wonder why the default theme is not using the Human icon theme.
[12:42] <ajmitch> jdub: one would almost think that you had a liking for GNOME? :)
[12:42] <jdub> mteira: it's not complete. we delayed the complete artwork until our final release.
[12:43] <mteira> Oh. 
[12:43] <scaroo> does any of you knows a repo where i can find gstreamer-ffmepeg package ?
[12:43] <mteira> jdub: You're the one from Garnome, arent' you?
[12:43] <jdub> ajmitch: it's an important part of the ubuntu idea. :)
[12:43] <jdub> mteira: yes
[12:43] <mteira> jdub: Good work.
[12:43] <jdub> thanks
[12:43] <mteira> I see gpdf is not installed by default.
[12:43] <mteira> It's randomly working as in my Debian unstable.
[12:44] <mteira> It's hard for me to understand how gpdf fails so bad where xpdf works.
[12:44] <mteira> I understand the two programs use the same backend.
[12:44] <scaroo> hey, jdub was even the realease coordinator of gnome :p so yes ubuntu is gnome biased, and that is cool :D
[12:44] <jdub> mteira: it uses the same code, but gpdf uses a different font rendering mechanism
[12:45] <cef> bbk
[12:46] <scaroo> jdub, gpdf uses pango ?
[12:46] <mteira> jdub: OK.
[12:47] <ajmitch> aha, found a package that needs security fixes
[12:48] <mteira> There's a thing in gnome I don't like.
[12:48] <khalek> too much bling?
[12:49] <khalek> not enough bling?
[12:49] <mteira> Why when you right click on the desktop -> create a file, the document is not created UNDER the cursor?
[12:49] <martink> scaroo: no, gnome-print
[12:49] <mteira> bling?
[12:50] <mteira> What does it mean?
[12:50] <mteira> It's really anoying to create a document in a little free region on the desktop, and them have to minimize tons of windows looking for the new file.
[12:50] <mteira> Don't you think so?
[12:51] <mteira> It's only me?
[12:51] <jdub> mteira: bugzilla.gnome.org ;-)
[12:51] <mteira> jdub: Yeeees, I know.
[12:51] <mteira> jdub: Just a thinking.
[12:52] <yuran> hmm.. trash applet + small panel size don't work very well...
[12:52] <ajmitch> jdub: who do we ask for security fixes? (package is phpgroupware)
[12:53] <yuran> just added 8 "new" lounchers to my panel..
[12:54] <jdub> ajmitch: file a bug, it can probably be upgraded
[12:55] <jdub> yuran: in the next version, it'll pop up bigger when your mouse is over it
[01:07] <kOoLiNuS> hi to everyone !
[01:10] <Ass_on_Fire> Cardador: thanks for the help, nvidia drivers up and running :)
[01:10] <jose__> good to know that :)
[01:10] <jose__> Ass_on_Fire: im Cardador
[01:10] <jose__> lol
[01:10] <Ass_on_Fire> was a bit difficult, since i haven't used a debian-like distro before
[01:10] <jose__> some problems with xchat :P
[01:11] <Ass_on_Fire> :)
[01:12] <Ass_on_Fire> thank god i don't have to plug in my speakers in the mic jack of my onboard audio to get sound in ubuntu
[01:12] <Ass_on_Fire> the crackling that accompanied that drove me insane
[01:12] <Ass_on_Fire> :)
[01:13] <moyogo> hi all
[01:13] <|Gaaruto|> hi
[01:13] <moyogo> i have some problems with my usb webcam
[01:13] <guido_> hi all
[01:14] <moyogo> audio keeps picking it as the primary audio device if i leave it plugged in when i reboot
[01:14] <moyogo> that means i have no /dev/dsp and all the rest, just the mic i there
[01:15] <mteira> visual effects are not working for me in totem.
[01:15] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> I'm not going good with this
[01:15] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> cant have the permission to access mounted partitions
[01:15] <mteira> Do it work for you?
[01:16] <guido_> i have problems with totem too. can't get video display, only sound.
[01:16] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> TOTEM ?
[01:16] <Cardador> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: you have to edit fstab
[01:16] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> ups sorry caps
[01:16] <mteira> guido_: Humm, I have not tested video display. I'm gonna try.
[01:16] <mteira> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: The video player.
[01:16] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> Cardador ii already did it
[01:17] <moyogo> for the video, shouldn't you configure it with gstreamer-properties ?
[01:17] <Zomb> ubunte installer hangs at 93% after telling me that he is restarting the system for the second stage
[01:17] <mteira> moyogo: Could be. :)
[01:17] <mteira> Let's see
[01:17] <Zomb> ah, after 30..40s it has rebootet
[01:17] <mteira> moyogo: But that's for nerds, isn't it?
[01:17] <moyogo> btw, gstreamer-properties is not in the Desktop Properties Menu
[01:18] <Cardador> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: do you have smt like this? /dev/hda6 /home/jose/downloads auto auto,users,exec 0 0
[01:18] <moyogo> it should be there as Multimedia System Selector
[01:18] <moyogo> imma file a bug about it
[01:18] <guido_> moyogo: ah I see, i already searched for something like that
[01:18] <ondrej> btw, how do I enable boot splash screen when not installing from scratch, but migrating from debunstable
[01:18] <ondrej> ?
[01:18] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> close to that
[01:18] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> let me get it
[01:18] <mteira> Humm. The spanish translation...
[01:18] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> w8
[01:19] <Cardador> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: ?s tuga? :P
[01:19] <Zomb> it think it is caused by lookups for a IDE disk
[01:19] <Zomb> there are no IDE disks
[01:19] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> /dev/hda1	/mnt/win1	ntfs	rw,user,noauto	0	0
[01:19] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> yeah
[01:19] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> i'm tuga guy
[01:19] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> lol
[01:19] <mteira> The properties in gstreamer-properties were fine.
[01:19] <mteira> And the tests worked.
[01:19] <Cardador> you cant write no ntfs
[01:20] <Cardador> at least safely
[01:20] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> yes i know
[01:20] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> apart from that
[01:20] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> it should have the permisssion to access 
[01:20] <Cardador> i'll put my line for ntfs
[01:20] <Cardador> /dev/hda1 /home/jose/windows1 ntfs auto,users,exec,ro,umask=000 0 0
[01:20] <mteira> ANd now, totem died.
[01:20] <guido_> mteira: how do I get into gstreamer-properties?
[01:20] <mteira> Bug buddy has poped up.
[01:21] <mteira> guido_: On a terminal, write gstreamer-properties
[01:21] <guido_> oh
[01:21] <guido_> thx
[01:21] <mteira> guido_: Or on the execute program window.
[01:21] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> hmm
[01:21] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> k
[01:21] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> le' me try something like that
[01:22] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> hmm
[01:22] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> i don't want it to mount on boot
[01:22] <guido_> mteira, thanks got it
[01:22] <_Hiro_> hello everyone, anybody know wether the ubuntu shipped kernels support Adaptec I2O RAID?
[01:22] <mteira> No luck.
[01:23] <mteira> Perhaps the mach64 xv is not working fine. I'm gonna try without Xv.
[01:23] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> Cardador isn't it "user" ?
[01:23] <|Gaaruto|> hi mitchux
[01:23] <moyogo> mteira: my xv doesn't work either
[01:23] <mteira> Nothing. My xv is working on the test, but no with a film nor visual effects.
[01:23] <moyogo> mteira: actually totem doesn't display anything in x11 mode either
[01:23] <Cardador> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: i've it like this and it works :)
[01:23] <mitchux> hi boy
[01:23] <mitchux> huhu
[01:23] <mteira> moyogo: What xvinfo says you?
[01:24] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> ok
[01:24] <Cardador> it was a line generated by my previous distro
[01:24] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> lets see
[01:24] <moyogo> mteira: but realplay does work with x11 mode
[01:24] <mteira> moyogo: I think it's totem fault.
[01:24] <moyogo> mteira: which part?
[01:24] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> damn
[01:24] <mteira> gstreamer-properties is able to use Xv correctly.
[01:25] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "icybox".
[01:25] <moyogo> mteira: i should try with just gstreamer player
[01:25] <Cardador> lol
[01:25] <Cardador> try it exactly like my line
[01:25] <moyogo> mteira: which part of xvinfo's output should i look at?
[01:25] <guido_> here too. gstreamer-properties tests run fine, no output in totem
[01:25] <Cardador> i had to reboot
[01:25] <Cardador> to get it working
[01:25] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> yeah
[01:25] <mteira> moyogo: Well, if you got some output and not "No Xv extensions" it's fine.
[01:25] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> reboot on the way
[01:26] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> it's exacly like your
[01:26] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> it's exacly like yours
[01:26] <Cardador> gl :)
[01:26] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> well
[01:26] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> brb
[01:26] <moyogo> mteira: so xv should work?
[01:26] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> ty
[01:26] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> :P
[01:26] <mteira> moyogo: Yes.
[01:27] <scaroo> totem doesn t output coz ubuntu doesnt come with the gstreamer plugins needed to decode anything but theora
[01:27] <moyogo> mteira: oh wait, gstreamer-player is with version 0.6... do i wanna try that?
[01:27] <moyogo> scaroo: ah
[01:27] <jdub> scaroo: install totem-xine from universe
[01:27] <jdub> s/scaroo/moyogo/
[01:27] <mteira> scaroo: Oh.
[01:28] <Kosai> Hum.  Anyone know which package will give a KDE entry in gdm?  Seem to have installed everything I can think of, and 'kde' itself is uninstallable.
[01:28] <moyogo> jdub: are the plugins not available for gstreamer?
[01:28] <mteira> jdub: But the visual effects are not working either
[01:29] <scaroo> jdub, can we find gstreamer-ffmpeg somewhere ?
[01:29] <|Gaaruto|> jdub> what's "universe" please ? i heard this word so many time
[01:29] <jdub> moyogo: you will have the most satisfying video experience with totem-xine
[01:29] <jdub> |Gaaruto|: it's the unsupported set of packages
[01:30] <|Gaaruto|> jdub> ok thanks
[01:30] <moyogo> jdub: yeah, like mteira, video output is still pitch black
[01:30] <mteira> When audio starts, I see a little centered white dot.
[01:30] <|Gaaruto|> jdub> i just install the ubuntu at this moment
[01:30] <mteira> And then, only darkness.
[01:31] <ConneX> i installed the latest Ubuntu on my laptop, but i could'nt get the tap-button to work.. are there some config i need to edit?
[01:33] <will|home> hey
[01:33] <will|home> someone was helping me with a problem yesterday
[01:33] <will|home> whereby x wasn't starting
[01:34] <will|home> i was told to "sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.8.1-2-k7 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-k7 nvidia-glx"
[01:34] <will|home> and replace nv with nvidia in my XF86Config-4 file
[01:34] <will|home> i did that, then typed startx
[01:34] <will|home> and everything worked great
[01:35] <will|home> but when i rebooted, i can't get X to work
[01:35] <Cardador> will|home: edit /etc/modules and add nvidia
[01:36] <will|home> cool, just done that
[01:36] <will|home> we'll see if it works :)
[01:37] <will|home> brilliant!
[01:37] <will|home> it worked
[01:37] <will|home> thanks very much for your help :)
[01:38] <will|home> ubuntu rocks!
[01:38] <Cardador> np :)
[01:39] <giard> does anyone know what the name of the package is for the default kernel?
[01:39] <moyogo> what's the difference between the module nvidia and the module nvidia-agp?
[01:40] <will|ubuntu> :)
[01:40] <Zomb> moyogo: I think nvidia-agp is what they use instead of agpgart (from kernel)
[01:41] <Cardador> giard: try search for linux-image
[01:42] <giard> so the latest is 2.6.7?
[01:43] <Mayday> anyone know if the binary ati drivers work?
[01:43] <Cardador> no, 2.6.8
[01:43] <Zomb> damn it
[01:43] <giard> strange, the only image I see is 2.6.7
[01:43] <Zomb> it does not install on 2GB harddisk
[01:44] <Cardador> giard: use synaptic to search, i only find 2.6.8.1-5
[01:44] <jdub> giard: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6
[01:46] <giard> Ahh, I think I figured out what the problem was... I had added universe to my sources
[01:46] <angie75> hi there!
[01:47] <giard> I'm curious because I can't seem to sleep/suspend
[01:47] <giard> when I echo 1 to /proc/acpi/sleep I get a message saying that it can't suspend some device
[01:48] <giard> and I was wondering if it was a kernel thing
[01:48] <sladen> giard: do you have a BIOS hotkey for suspend ?
[01:48] <giard> sladen: I don't think so, I'm not sure... 
[01:49] <giard> it's not an ubuntu thing, as it doesn't work in slackware either, but I didn't know if there was a work around
[01:49] <plovs> join #ubuntu
[01:52] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> no luck
[01:52] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> :|
[01:54] <angie75> just a simple question... does Ubuntu use a dedicated apt-source repository or the official debian sources?
[01:55] <Kosai> A dedicated one; archive.ubuntu.com.
[01:55] <giard> is there a "news" feed for that server to see what new packages have been checked in?
[01:56] <angie75> tnx Kosai !
[01:56] <jdub> giard: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/warty-changes
[01:57] <angie75> no way to install k3b so? :-)
[01:59] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> Cardador chown -R should do it
[01:59] <jdub> angie75: add universe to your sources, and install
[02:00] <angie75> jdub: tnx... sorry I could catch this info rapidly
[02:00] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> or not..
[02:01] <yuran> i think i just locked myself out.. i changed the permissions on /etc/sudoers 
[02:01] <yuran> anyway to undo this, without rebooting into single user? 
[02:01] <hypatia> I can't think of one unless you've set a root password
[02:02] <will|ubuntu> what package do i need to apt-get install for SMB support?
[02:02] <hypatia> You should normally use "visudo" to make any changes to /etc/sudoers :)
[02:02] <yuran> well, lesson learned :) 
[02:02] <yuran> so how should i change the sudoer file then? 
[02:02] <Cardador> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: i have no more ideas :(
[02:02] <sladen> sudo visudo
[02:03] <hypatia> sladen: but by having changed the permissions of /etc/sudoers, presumably yuran can no longer run "sudo anything" commands
[02:03] <hypatia> yuran: I think single user was on the money
[02:03] <sladen> yuran: nope, out of interest.  /How/ did you manage to change the permissions, and what did you change them too?
[02:03] <angie75> tnx everybody, bye
[02:04] <yuran> sladen: sudo chmod of course :)
[02:04] <angie75> bye
[02:04] <yuran> to 0640
[02:04] <sladen> yuran: what to
[02:04] <yuran> seemed logical at the time...
[02:05] <yuran> brb
[02:08] <takatumi> would be a breeze with root
[02:08] <Kosai> jdub: Is there going to be a Planet Ubuntu?  :)
[02:09] <jdub> yes :)
[02:16] <thaytan> yo,buntu
[02:17] <kOoLiNuS> what is supposed to be "Planet Ubuntu" ?
[02:19] <plovs> kOoLiNuS, http://planet.gnome.org/ but then for ubuntu, a group off rss-feeds from developers
[02:20] <kOoLiNuS> oh, the "blog" of develops :-D
[02:23] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> Cardador
[02:23] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> the folder has the permission
[02:24] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> but when i mount the device to it
[02:24] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> ubuntu takes the permissions from the folder
[02:24] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> lol
[02:24] <Cardador> strange
[02:24] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> very
[02:24] <Cardador> where did you put the folder to mount it?
[02:24] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR>  /media/
[02:25] <Cardador> try to mount it on your home folder
[02:26] <jdub> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: is this a vfat partition?
[02:27] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> no
[02:27] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> ntfs
[02:27] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> Cardador same
[02:27] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> no permission
[02:27] <jdub> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: what's your fstab line?
[02:27] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> # USB IcyBox
[02:27] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> /dev/sda1	/media/icybox	ntfs	auto,rw,exec,user	0	0
[02:28] <Cardador> usb?
[02:28] <jdub> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: type id
[02:28] <jdub> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: what's the uid and gid?
[02:28] <jdub> 1000?
[02:28] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> for the user?
[02:28] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> yes
[02:28] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> 1000
[02:28] <jdub> ok
[02:28] <jdub> where you have auto,rw,exec,user
[02:28] <jdub> remove auto
[02:29] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> k
[02:29] <jdub> add uid=1000,gid=1000
[02:29] <minghua> hi, I have a question about LVM support on powerpc
[02:29] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> done
[02:29] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> anything else?
[02:30] <minghua> I tried d-i RC1 on i386 machine with root on LVM
[02:30] <minghua> and it worked fine
[02:30] <linux_mafia> can someone tell me which package i need to display chinese fonts in nautilus? 
[02:30] <minghua> yesterday I tried ubuntu 4.10 preview
[02:30] <jdub> linux_mafia: no packages required, however, try this...
[02:30] <jdub> linux_mafia: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[02:30] <minghua> and I couldn't have LVM work
[02:31] <jdub> linux_mafia: make sure you choose the zh_CN.UTF-8 or whichever you prefer
[02:31] <minghua> linux_mafia: in Debian there is ttf-arphic-*
[02:31] <minghua> not sure about ubuntu
[02:31] <jdub> minghua: it's included by default
[02:31] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> jdub is that all? should i mount again now?
[02:31] <jdub> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: yes, umount it, then mount it as your user
[02:32] <linux_mafia> jdub, ok, but i actually use english, i just got some chinese music mp3s and the file names are just ??????.mp3
[02:32] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> no need to mount as su ?
[02:32] <jdub> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: no, that's what the user is for
[02:32] <jdub> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: if you've been doing that, that's why it's b0rked :)
[02:32] <jdub> linux_mafia: you'll need to change to a UTF-8 locale
[02:32] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> lol
[02:32] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> ooohh
[02:32] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> :P
[02:32] <jdub> linux_mafia: english or chinese, whichever :)
[02:32] <minghua> jdub: how could I set a partition as a volume group?
[02:32] <linux_mafia> jdub, ok, thanks man
[02:32] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> yeah but it returned that only root bla bla..
[02:32] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> so..
[02:32] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> but ok
[02:32] <minghua> jdub: I didn't remember how I did it last time
[02:33] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> makes sense now
[02:33] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> :)
[02:33] <jdub> minghua: not really sure, but LVM setup is included in the installer
[02:33] <jdub> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: sorted?
[02:33] <linux_mafia> utf-8 is the bane of my life :(
[02:33] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> w8
[02:33] <jdub> linux_mafia: utf-8 is love!
[02:33] <jdub> linux_mafia: in hoary, it will be the default so you don't have to muck around like this :)
[02:33] <linux_mafia> cool
[02:33] <Kamion> minghua: sorry, there's an issue with parted on powerpc which means that LVM isn't currently supported on powerpc
[02:34] <minghua> jdub: thanks, i think i'll try again
[02:34] <jdub> aha
[02:34] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> seth@devil ~ $ mount /dev/sda1 /media/icybox/ -t ntfs
[02:34] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> mount: only root can do that
[02:34] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> :\
[02:34] <minghua> Kamion: aha, that explains things well
[02:34] <jdub> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: just type mount /media/icybox
[02:34] <Kamion> minghua: I spent some time debugging it at debconf4, it's not trivial to fix :-/
[02:34] <minghua> Kamion: so even d-i powerpc doesn't support LVM?
[02:34] <Kamion> minghua: nope
[02:34] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> yey
[02:35] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> akunamatata
[02:35] <minghua> Kamion: I see, thanks for the info.
[02:35] <minghua> Kamion: is there any bug number that I can watch on this issue?
[02:36] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> one day i'll pay u a dinner on candle light jdub
[02:36] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> homo apart
[02:36] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> ;P
[02:36] <linux_mafia> jdub, perfect, thanks, displaying fine now
[02:36] <az[a] zel> anyone here develop for the AMD64 port?
[02:36] <Kamion> minghua: don't know of one
[02:37] <minghua> Kamion: need me to file one? :-)
[02:37] <jdub> az[a] zel: mithrandir, who is often here, knows the most about amd64
[02:38] <jdub> az[a] zel: but there are a few of us here who do, just ask straight up :)
[02:38] <az[a] zel> jdub, ok
[02:38] <Kamion> minghua: only if you really want to, it's unlikely to make things happen any faster :)
[02:39] <az[a] zel> jdub, just curious if there is a plan for 32 bit GTK+ 2.0 libraries for AMD 64 ? Also, a 32 bit mozilla (For proprietary plugins, e.g. flash).. one could always run the 32bit firefox from mozilla.org, but that requires 32 bit GTK+ 2.0 libs
[02:39] <minghua> Kamion: I won't bother then.  thanks.
[02:39] <Kamion> az[a] zel: there's a general plan for multiarch support; we probably won't be going further with individual 32-bit libraries unless necessary until we have that
[02:39] <Kamion> (hoary, not warty)
[02:39] <giard> flash... what a pain... macromedia needs to open source the viewer
[02:40] <Kamion> jdub: is the final gdm artwork going to include the machine name on the greeter screen? the debugging artwork did, current doesn't
[02:40] <sanxiyn> giard: Help open source projects implementing SWF standard.
[02:40] <sanxiyn> giard: Depending on Macromedia's binary is not a solution.
[02:41] <jdub> Kamion: hrm
[02:41] <jdub> Kamion: do you want it?
[02:41] <Kamion> minghua: (mind you, it would mean you'd be told when it was closed if you filed a bug ...)
[02:41] <sanxiyn> giard: Take a look at http://swfdec.sf.net/ and http://gplflash.sf.net/ .
[02:41] <Kamion> jdub: hell yeah
[02:41] <Kamion> jdub: I have so many machines around here I get very confused about which is which :)
[02:41] <jdub> Kamion: use case? remote logins?
[02:41] <az[a] zel> Kamion, good 32 bit support on AMD64 distros hasn't been handled elegantly by any of the AMD64 distros yet, IMO.. debian/ubuntu seem to be on the right track though
[02:41] <jdub> haha
[02:41] <Kamion> remote logins is another, certainly
[02:41] <jdub> Kamion: 'unidentified keyboard logins' ;)
[02:41] <giard> sanxiyn: are those still in active development?  Last I tried them they weren't very accurate
[02:42] <Mayday> is there a RSS reader in main, if so what is it called?
[02:42] <Kamion> "WTF-is-this-machine logins"
[02:42] <sanxiyn> giard: I found swfdec to be adequate for *my* purposes.
[02:42] <jdub> Mayday: hrm, don't think so - try installing straw from universe
[02:42] <Kamion> az[a] zel: right, hence the multiarch ideas ... Mithrandir's baby
[02:42] <sanxiyn> giard: Yes swfdec is active, and gplflash was once discontinued but they released fix in 2004.
[02:42] <Mayday> i dont want universe, i want main :)
[02:42] <jdub> Mayday: :-)
[02:43] <jdub> Mayday: by final release, the version of firefox we'll ship will have rss stuff in it
[02:43] <sanxiyn> giard: swfdec cooperates with GStreamer (to-be-freedesktop.org-supported media framework)
[02:43] <Kamion> jdub: I think also it means that, if you have a row of monitors, they're a little less faceless and indistinguishable by default
[02:43] <jdub> as will thunderbird
[02:43] <jdub> Kamion: 'cept they'll all be called ubuntu ;)
[02:43] <Kamion> they so won't :)
[02:43] <Mayday> the rss reader in evolution was removed in the 2.0?
[02:43] <giard> swfdec hasn't released an update in almost a year and a half if you go by their website
[02:43] <Kamion> DHCP, dude :)
[02:44] <Kamion> well, and DNS
[02:44] <jdub> Kamion: (i actually just commented that bit out in the theme, you can enable it again locally if you want)
[02:44] <sanxiyn> giard: Well, but it's still active. :-)
[02:44] <jdub> Kamion: but yes, i'll make sure we have that
[02:44] <Kamion> jdub: ah, ok - ta
[02:44] <sanxiyn> giard: Help them integrating ActionScript compiler from Ming project.
[02:44] <jdub> Mayday: yes
[02:44] <sanxiyn> giard: Ming is PHP Flash generator, that has about the best open source ActionScript implementation.
[02:45] <sanxiyn> giard: Even if they aren't active, relying on propreitary binary is *not* a solution.
[02:46] <sladen> who's an OOo hacker around here?
[02:46] <giard> sanxiyn: you'll get no arguments from me there.  the pain is that flash is so ubiquitous now
[02:47] <seb128> jdub: gaim 1.0 is out ... fixes some severe encoding breakage in current warty version. Perhaps we want to consider it ?
[02:47] <giard> sanxiyn: we need a decent standard that browsers will include by default
[02:47] <sanxiyn> giard: And Macromedia's is not a solution, so only solution is to help open-source Flash projects...
[02:47] <sanxiyn> giard: Yes it is a pain.
[02:47] <az[a] zel> damn the hoary hedgehog goals look pretty good.. I want it now! :)
[02:47] <jdub> seb128: yes, i think we need to consider it as part of the desktop/gnome updates
[02:48] <jdub> az[a] zel: ;)
[02:48] <highvoltage> I want a future version!
[02:48] <seb128> jdub: should I mail you+Matt ?
[02:48] <highvoltage> Anyone have some time-travel bandwidth available?
[02:48] <jdub> seb128: yes please
[02:48] <seb128> ok, thanks
[02:48] <[Scizo] > warty looks good
[02:49] <sanxiyn> giard: At least Flash is not software-patented. Thanks for that. :(
[02:49] <highvoltage> I want ubuntu 6.5 with Evolution 4.1, Firefox 2.7, and Gnome 4.2 with the new hurd kernel. thank you
[02:49] <sanxiyn> (Or is it?)
[02:49] <martink> sladen: haggai_ is an OOo debian maint. And I hack OOo sometimes...
[02:49] <[Scizo] > still needs some apps for everyday use (i.e. bluefish, anjuta) but i'm sure it'll get there soon
[02:49] <martink> sladen: ah, you already found the right channel
[02:50] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> one more error "OSS device "/dev/dsp" is already in use by another program."
[02:50] <az[a] zel> highvoltage, hurd should be available 2032
[02:50] <highvoltage> not if we get the time-travel thing working :)
[02:50] <sladen> martink: yes, tried each of   {oftc,opn}/#openoffice{,.org}  before getting the right one :)
[02:51] <az[a] zel> "Significant GDM polish (MNG, face browser Done Right)" -- I like this, animated stuff is cool :)
[02:51] <highvoltage> I saw that on a gentoo machine, but it's not on ubuntu yet, right?
[02:52] <highvoltage> Mine just showes a blue/grey ubuntu login.
[02:52] <tseng> ubuntu is frozen now, no new packages
[02:52] <tseng> just fixes
[02:52] <az[a] zel> oh so gdm already has that?
[02:52] <jdub> az[a] zel: no
[02:52] <martink> sladen: there's also #debian-oo for debian specific ooo questions
[02:52] <jdub> highvoltage: the debugging artwork?
[02:52] <az[a] zel> what is "Launchpad integration" ?
[02:52] <jdub> az[a] zel: new backend applications, you'll hear more soon
[02:52] <highvoltage> jdub: hmmm... I saw it on a gentoo box, I'm sure, I'll ask my friend if it was gdm or something else
[02:53] <highvoltage> I'm comvinced that it was
[02:53] <jdub> highvoltage: what did you see?
[02:54] <highvoltage> jdub: Nice animated and interactive stuff on the login screen, I must admit it was a few weeks ago, is that what you're talking about
[02:54] <sladen> martink: it's not Debian specific, but if the clue/response level is likely to be higher, I'll give it a go?
[02:55] <martink> sladen: not with this question, I'm afraid
[02:57] <martink> sladen: it's very likely that all the res files contain the same data for toolbar icons. Did you try bzip2ing all res files in one archive?
[02:57] <sladen> martink: ah ha.  That's useful information
[03:02] <TerminX> will packages from Ubuntu install fine on Debian?
[03:03] <jdub> TerminX: unlikely
[03:05] <TerminX> how unlikely?  there's a bit of stuff that works fine even aliened from rpms, I really don't see why packages from a distro based on Debian in the first place would be that unlikely to work.. I'm mainly thinking crap like GNOME, et cetera
[03:05] <sanxiyn> TerminX: Try it. It may work.
[03:06] <TerminX> I, uh, can't find a sources.list from Ubuntu.
[03:06] <TerminX> Or I would have by now
[03:06] <sanxiyn> TerminX: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Archive
[03:06] <TerminX> aha
[03:07] <TerminX> thanks
[03:08] <sanxiyn> Hm. If "apt-get install" fails, will "apt-get source --build" work?
[03:12] <Kamion> TerminX: main issue is that we've rebuilt Debian packages for Ubuntu. We should be binary-compatible, in that the actual executables should work fine; the question is more whether the packages themselves will work. You get to find out :-)
[03:12] <TerminX> ehehe
[03:13] <jdub> plus we're a bit behind in some respects, due to the freeze
[03:14] <Mayday> i would say you are ahead due to the freeze :)
[03:14] <Kamion> depends on your point of view :-)
[03:14] <Kamion> (or, perhaps, direction of view ...)
[03:15] <Mayday> ofcourse
[03:15] <jdub> ;-)
[03:15] <Mayday> anyway, damn fine work done so far, few dists has made me feel so at home so quickly
[03:16] <kOoLiNuS> indeed
[03:16] <robertj> okay, back from my first Ubuntu install
[03:16] <kOoLiNuS> ^__^
[03:16] <jdub> Mayday: that's gotta be our favourite response to hear :)
[03:17] <robertj> first comment: MY EYES!
[03:17] <tseng> haha
[03:17] <[Scizo] > jdub, any chance i can get you to leave out the "local apic on uniprocessors" option by default ?
[03:17] <TerminX> robertj: I assume the goggles do nothing?
[03:17] <robertj> No, mainly the default resolution
[03:17] <robertj> < 80hz and my eyes scream
[03:17] <tseng> [Scizo] : what does that even do?
[03:18] <tseng> it breaks my laptop
[03:18] <mteira> Humm. I feel ubuntu really faster than my Debian Unstable. Is ubuntu using some trick like prelinking, or it's just gnome 2.8 being faster than gnome 2.6 ?
[03:18] <[Scizo] > tseng, crashes my inspiron every time :)
[03:18] <tseng> haha same here
[03:18] <tseng> but i wonder what its useful for
[03:18] <robertj> This monitor really needs 1280x1024, not 1600
[03:18] <tseng> [Scizo] : hey can you add to my bug report
[03:18] <sanxiyn> robertj: I think Debian configures X with DDC(Display Data Channel)?
[03:18] <[Scizo] > tseng, i know it's Dell's fault .. but still .. it's the main reason i can't run debian on it (that and ACPI < 2.4.24)
[03:18] <Kamion> mteira: we're not using prelinking, no
[03:19] <sanxiyn> robertj: It means the monitor manufacturer thought 1600 is good for it.
[03:19] <tseng> [Scizo] : https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1322
[03:19] <mteira> Kamion: So, perhaps it's gnome 2.8 faster.
[03:19] <sanxiyn> robertj: I believe the monitor manufacturer knows better. :-)
[03:19] <robertj> I believe not ;)
[03:19] <[Scizo] > tseng, i'm assuming you got a nice 640x480 display at first boot as well :D
[03:19] <Kamion> mteira: we do tune all the .debs for Pentium 4
[03:19] <tseng> [Scizo] : er, no
[03:20] <robertj> Windows doesn't pick that resolution, neither does Fedora if I recall correctly
[03:20] <tseng> it just crashes on the lid event
[03:20] <Kamion> mteira: it's *possible* that makes a difference (although I'm a little sceptical)
[03:20] <[Scizo] > heh ... 640x480 on a 15" TFT meant for 1600x1200 is painfull :D
[03:20] <sanxiyn> robertj: That's strange.
[03:20] <mteira> Kamion: Perhaps I have more services running on my debian.
[03:20] <jdub> [Scizo] : kernel's not really my area, if you could post to -users about it, that'd be great
[03:20] <[Scizo] > jdub, i'll just add to tseng's bug report
[03:20] <mteira> Kamion: I'm using a Pentium III, anyway
[03:20] <jdub> mteira: we do two optimisations, which will provide a leeeetle bit of help
[03:20] <Vanzetti> hi
[03:20] <sanxiyn> robertj: Debian should do same as Windows or Fedora or whatever, since resoultion detection is standard.
[03:20] <robertj> IMO, unless its the difference between 640x480 & 800x600 or 800x600 & 1024x768, refresh rate should trump all
[03:20] <robertj> san: I bet they are doing some checks to weigh in refresh rate over manufacturer recommendation
[03:21] <robertj> which certainly seems sane in this case
[03:21] <jdub> mteira: first is compiler optimisations for the cpu - it works on i486, but is tuned for k7 and pentium4
[03:21] <sanxiyn> Hm.
[03:21] <Kamion> sanxiyn: judging from Daniel Stone's periodic "aargh" screams about resolution detection, I don't think it's that simple unfortunately
[03:21] <jdub> mteira: second is linker optimisation, which can help apps start faster
[03:21] <sanxiyn> Kamion: Unfortunately. But it should be simple. :(
[03:21] <mteira> jdub: Perhaps that second one is what I'm feeling.
[03:22] <mteira> jdub: xchat started in no more than two seconds. On my debian it lasts more time
[03:22] <jdub> sanxiyn: unfortunately, there are bugs in the world that are hard to work around in software. :)
[03:22] <Kamion> robertj: at one point the algorithm was basically "on CRTs, take the second-highest resolution offered"
[03:22] <tseng> jdub: prelink you mean?
[03:22] <jdub> tseng: no, not prelink
[03:22] <Kamion> robertj: I think it might be more complicated than that now
[03:22] <jdub> tseng: linker hashtable optimisation
[03:22] <tseng> ah, excellent.
[03:22] <sanxiyn> jdub: Heh.
[03:22] <mteira> jdub: That sounds interesting.
[03:22] <robertj> But that's not horrible by any means
[03:22] <mteira> jdub: Will that change go back onto debian.
[03:22] <robertj> But just knowing a lot of users will never _ever_ change their screen resolution
[03:23] <Deft> what partition type would mount expect for a FAT32 usb pen?
[03:23] <robertj> I cant count the times I've bumped someone from 1024x768 @ 60 hz to 1024x768 @ 85+ hz
[03:23] <tseng> Deft: vfat
[03:23] <jdub> mteira: it's a general buildd change, so not sure
[03:23] <mteira> I'm curious about how the improvements in Ubuntu will be driven back to debian.
[03:23] <Deft> tseng, I mean the partition type, in the mbr
[03:23] <jdub> mteira: we're already sending lots of patches back
[03:23] <tseng> mbr? usb pen?
[03:23] <tseng> youve lost me.
[03:23] <mteira> jdub: That's great
[03:24] <Deft> tseng, you only get sda1 for a usb pen, because that's the first partition on the pen.  if there were no partitions, you would just get sda, but windows apparently doesn't like that
[03:25] <tseng> sda is the device
[03:25] <mteira> A question about Rhythmbox. I heared time ago that mp3 id3 tag editing would be a future enhancement.
[03:25] <tseng> sda1 is the first partition
[03:25] <mteira> Perhaps it's a gstreamer functionality they're waiting for?
[03:25] <jdub> mteira: yes
[03:25] <tseng> what does windows have to do with it
[03:25] <Deft> tseng, exactly, and you need an mbr to have a partition
[03:25] <tseng> or better, what are you trying to do here?
[03:25] <TerminX> Ubuntu GNOME on Debian appears to work.
[03:25] <jay303F> hello
[03:25] <TerminX> there's some oddities, like I can add the "about ubuntu" icon to my panel, but it does nothing.. :)
[03:26] <Deft> windows won't read from a usb pen drive with just a filesystem over the whole thing, you need an mbr and at least one partition
[03:26] <sanxiyn> TerminX: Heh.
[03:26] <jay303F> anybody had a problem with installing ubuntu? when it tries to detect my ide-cd you can wait forever on it
[03:26] <Deft> so I want to set mine up like that (I'm reformatting it)
[03:26] <mteira> jdub: Have the ubuntu people optimization as one of their priorities?
[03:27] <mteira> jdub: That's one thing I'm always missed in gnome. Perhaps it's just a feeling.
[03:27] <jdub> mteira: not a huge priority, but we've done a few things here and there that are safe and sane
[03:27] <mteira> jdub: Are more of this things planned?
[03:27] <Curti1> Does anyone know warthogs password on the live cd.
[03:27] <jdub> Curti1: i think it's 'morphix'
[03:27] <mteira> jdub: I had the idea that if Ubuntu is in some way oriented to Africa, should work better on old machines.
[03:27] <jay303F> anybody had a problem with installing ubuntu? when it tries to detect my ide-cd you can wait forever on it, anyone had this problem?
[03:28] <jdub> mteira: where we can do things safely, we probably will
[03:28] <mteira> jdub: Thanks.
[03:28] <Deft> jay303F, does the drive work from any other OS/linux install?
[03:28] <mteira> jdub: What about prelinking? Isn't it safe in its state?
[03:28] <jay303F> Deft: yeah, i've debian running
[03:28] <mteira> I have heard that OS X is using it.
[03:28] <mteira> Just as a curiosity
[03:29] <[Scizo] > arrgh
[03:29] <[Scizo] > i give up ... mozilla insists on "forgetting" my bug report every time i try to submit it
[03:29] <jay303F> Deft: installing that worked perfectly, but i was curious about ubuntu
[03:30] <|Gaaruto|> where can i config my screen in ubuntu ? (config for iiyama...)
[03:30] <mteira> [Scizo] : I've submitted some bugs a while ago, using firefox.
[03:31] <[Scizo] > mteira, it's just this "#"# gentoo installation that needs a good kick in the a**
[03:31] <mteira> [Scizo] : Oh.
[03:31] <mteira> [Scizo] : Take it easy. ;-)
[03:31] <jay303F> nobody had my problem i guess?
[03:32] <robertj> I was a bit confused during the Ubuntu intall.
[03:32] <robertj> IF you don't select to download things from the internet, do you not get X, Gnome, etc
[03:32] <[Scizo] > mteira, i am .. just waiting for some new day2day apps to enter ubuntu, and i'll be back on something similar to debian :)
[03:32] <jdub> mteira: ask keybuk about the horrors of prelinking when he's around :)
[03:32] <robertj> It said there were 500 and some odd packages, were the majority sitting around in some temporary cache on the HD?
[03:32] <sanxiyn> jay303F: If Sarge installer worked fine and Ubuntu failed, that sounds like a bug.
[03:32] <mteira> robertj: 
[03:32] <mteira> jdub: :)
[03:32] <robertj> mteira: :)
[03:32] <robertj> jdub: :)
[03:33] <mteira> jdub: Are they problems in the prelinking idea itself or in the implementation?
[03:33] <mteira> s/problems/horrors/
[03:33] <|Gaaruto|> what's this error please ? Failed to run network-admin as user root:
[03:33] <|Gaaruto|>  Child terminated with 1 status
[03:34] <jdub> robertj: you shouldn't need to download anything from the 'net other than updates
[03:34] <seb128> |Gaaruto|: probably wrong password ..
[03:34] <seb128> |Gaaruto|: you need to enter your user password
[03:34] <|Gaaruto|> lol
[03:34] <jdub> mteira: the whole idea
[03:34] <jay303F> sanxiyn: i have debian SID which works perfectly, maybe i will use that again then, i just was enthousiastic about ubuntu with gnome 2.8
[03:34] <|Gaaruto|> not the root pswd ?
[03:34] <Deft_u> jdub, update on that usb drive thing yesterday, it works ok with a new mbr, FAT16 partition type and FAT16 formatting; before it was W95FAT32 and FAT32...
[03:34] <jdub> |Gaaruto|: there is no root password :)
[03:35] <jdub> Deft_u: interesting
[03:35] <sanxiyn> jdub: jay303F says that his Ubuntu install hanged on loading ide-cd (while Debian installer worked.)
[03:35] <linux_mafia> well i hate to say it, but with all that talk of flash before, i installed flashplugin-nonfree from sid, works a treat, tried swfdec but it wont build a browser plugin unless you have mozilla proper installed, not firefox, may have a fiddle with it when i have more time 
[03:35] <|Gaaruto|> jdub> that's right !
[03:35] <jay303F> sanxiyn: i not freezed the computer, it just tries it forever, i waited an hour
[03:35] <jay303F> then i rebooted
[03:35] <[alsimcoe] > .
[03:35] <jdub> jay303F: weird
[03:36] <jay303F> yeah i know
[03:36] <[Scizo] > how well does ubuntu handle it if i try to install things from the debian unstable archive ? .. to get things like bluefish, anjuta etc.
[03:36] <jdub> jay303F: Kamion might be able to help out
[03:36] <jdub> [Scizo] : you should not do that. enable universe and install from there.
[03:36] <HrdwrBoB> in case anyone was wondering
[03:36] <[Scizo] > enable universe ?
[03:36] <HrdwrBoB> #debian is populated by wankers :/
[03:36] <[Scizo] > ah
[03:36] <jay303F> hm, ok i probably try it later or stay using good old debian
[03:37] <neill> hi
[03:37] <linux_mafia> HrdwrBoB, thats not the ubuntu spirit :(
[03:37] <_Hiro_> could anyone confirm me wether I can use an adaptec 3200s raid card with stock ubuntu?
[03:37] <jdub> _Hiro_: should be able to
[03:37] <[Scizo] > ubuntu just moved 1 step closer to becoming my main distribution :)
[03:38] <jay303F> to bad, i really wanted to give it a try
[03:38] <jdub> [Scizo] : note that the stuff in universe is unsupported
[03:38] <neill> are people interested in installer problems?
[03:38] <_Hiro_> jdub does it come with the stock binary kernels? (because it's a patch that has to be used, it's not in the kernel by default)
[03:38] <jdub> neill: of course :)
[03:38] <neill> and should they go in the bugzilla mentioned in the topic
[03:38] <neill> ?
[03:38] <sanxiyn> It is said that GCC visibility patch will reduce (say) OOo .so size to 20% of current size [!] 
[03:38] <[Scizo] > jdub, so is 90% of the software in any other distribution :)
[03:38] <jdub> _Hiro_: oh, hrm, in that case, i'm not sure
[03:38] <jdub> neill: yes please
[03:38] <neill> as a bit of background I'm trying to install onto a brand new athlon 64 / nforce 3 250gb board
[03:39] <jdub> neill: or send an installation report to ubuntu-users
[03:39] <jay303F> neill: i will check if my ide-cd problem is there
[03:39] <jdub> neill: with SATA disks?
[03:39] <neill> using SATA disks :)
[03:39] <_Hiro_> anyone here have a source ubuntu kernel?
[03:39] <jdub> neill: try a daily CD build instead :)
[03:39] <_Hiro_> if so could you grep .config for DPT ?
[03:39] <tseng> hmm no /proc/config support?
[03:40] <neill> jdub: well modprobe sata_nv seems to have done the trick so far.
[03:40] <jay303F> hm, it's not there
[03:40] <neill> also if I have my ipod plugged in it detects that as sda.
[03:40] <neill> which I suspect is likely to cause problems later for some people
[03:40] <tseng> neill: you can configure udev to name it /dev/ipod
[03:41] <tseng> or any other name
[03:41] <Deft_u> neill, does the device manager come up with a name for the iPod?
[03:42] <neill> Deft_u: device manager? I'm still in the installer....
[03:42] <robertj> tseng: hopefully within a few months people will be content to let it be /dev/sda and let Rhythmbox come up with "4 GB iPod Mini"
[03:42] <tseng> unless your hd is /dev/sda normally
[03:42] <tseng> and ipod bumps it to sdb
[03:43] <tseng> i think that was what he was meaning as problems ^, not sure it they can go in the order
[03:43] <neill> tseng: yes. this is the problem
[03:43] <neill> since I'm using SATA
[03:43] <neill> and so if I have it plugged in during install it's going to break things
[03:44] <robertj> What do yall think of Ubuntu's artwork? I'm a bit torn on it.
[03:44] <robertj> I really like the design but the colors make me go ugh
[03:44] <tseng> heh, i dont like any of it
[03:45] <tseng> except the gnome splash
[03:45] <tseng> so i took about 10 minutes and made it look nice.
[03:46] <Deft_u> I like the art, but I would like some of the brown in the default wallpaper... doubt I'll get much agreement on that
[03:46] <robertj> Not from me
[03:47] <robertj> if anything, I'd like it slightly darker
[03:47] <tseng> i could care less, ill change the theme anyway
[03:47] <[Scizo] > heh .. i tried the new glider theme .. decided i liked the default ubuntu one better
[03:47] <robertj> maybe a really dark brown would be better
[03:47] <robertj> I'm back with Industrial
[03:47] <[Scizo] > and as for wallpaper .. do whatever you like .. i have a nice one that i apply anyway :D
[03:47] <tseng> indubstrial here
[03:47] <robertj> The real problem is that Gnome doesn't let you specify theme colors seperately from the theme
[03:47] <tseng> and opusos openbox theme
[03:48] <robertj> One of my other thoughts is that the show/hide desktop button is silly if your not going to put your system icons there
[03:49] <tseng> not really
[03:49] <robertj> Either keep it as it is or nuke that and don't create a ~/Desktop
[03:49] <[Scizo] > i miss my "computer" and "xxx home" on my desktop :(
[03:49] <robertj> Scizo: you can put it back with gconf
[03:49] <robertj> hrmmm
[03:49] <[Scizo] > my point being that i don't want to mess with gconf any more than i wont to mess with regedit32
[03:50] <Deft_u> I tend to keep all of my files on the desktop, so having launchers there as well is pretty wierd...
[03:50] <jdub> [Scizo] : we've disabled the special desktop icons intentionally
[03:50] <robertj> 'Mess with it!
[03:50] <jdub> [Scizo] : try out the computer menu for a while
[03:50] <[Scizo] > i've been using linux since the yggdrasil fall '93 edition .. I think i've nudged enough configuration files in my time :D
[03:50] <robertj> jdub: I like the Computer menu but it seems like it needs an Applet too
[03:50] <jdub> robertj: hrm?
[03:51] <[Scizo] > jdub, i will .. took a while to get used to spatial nautilus .. maybe this just takes some getting used to
[03:51] <toothpick> How do I link firefox with my blackdown java?
[03:51] <robertj> because now you kinda have to have the top menu
[03:51] <Deft_u> robertj, you mean you want a computer menu applet like the main menu applet?
[03:51] <robertj> yah
[03:52] <robertj> btw, is there a mac-os style menus option in gconf anywhere?
[03:52] <_Hiro_> if you mount a cd does it still create a desktop cd icon?
[03:52] <robertj> Hiro: nope
[03:52] <_Hiro_> oh :(
[03:53] <[Scizo] > _Hiro_, but it automounts and opens a new window with the cd contents :D
[03:53] <[Scizo] > even works for my 2.5" USB2 disk
[03:53] <_Hiro_> yeah yeah I know what it's supposed to do :/
[03:53] <_Hiro_> 7/10 gnome crashes at that point
[03:54] <_Hiro_> I always disabled that with fedora and the other distro with which I had gnome-volume-manager
[03:54] <robertj> jdub: the top-menu in Gnome manages to be a waste of space for average users
[03:54] <[Scizo] > _Hiro_, because fedora uses some %"#"# mount dmon of their own
[03:54] <_Hiro_> and I like the icon for its eject capability, nothing much else 
[03:54] <Kamion> neill: a daily build should fix that, I think; I arranged for it to detect sata_nv properly
[03:54] <_Hiro_> [Scizo] , I'm more convinced that it's the hardware :/  a shuttle SS40G
[03:55] <neill> Kamion: ok. Where can you get daily builds from?
[03:55] <Deft_u> _Hiro_, you can add drive icons to the desktop independently of home and computer or whatever, it's in App/Nautilus/Desktop in gconf
[03:55] <Kamion> robertj: the current artwork isn't final, you'll be glad to hear
[03:55] <Kamion> neill: I posted links to ubuntu-users last night
[03:55] <[Scizo] > _Hiro_, i tried the redhat gnome mount thingy out on a box i setup for some newbs ... crashed 8/10 times, the rest of the times it wouldn't unmount
[03:55] <robertj> Kamion: yeah, I know. I don't mind it except for the color
[03:55] <_Hiro_> ah, nice. I didn't knew that, thx Deft_u 
[03:55] <Kamion> neill: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/cdimage/daily/current/, rsync access also available
[03:55] <robertj> Scizo: Works fine in Core 2
[03:55] <Kamion> no torrents as yet
[03:56] <_Hiro_> if only supermount would work :P
[03:56] <robertj> Its in Ubuntu as well
[03:56] <robertj> Hiro: umm, what?
[03:56] <[Scizo] > _Hiro_, so they got a few nice cd mount icons in their toolbar instead
[03:56] <_Hiro_> you know, supermount, the kernel option
[03:56] <robertj> Hiro: thats old news
[03:56] <robertj> out of date
[03:56] <[Scizo] > robertj, well .. this was just around the time that FC1 was about to be released
[03:57] <robertj> hal/dbus does that in a non-broken fashon in Fc2 and Ubuntu
[03:57] <[Scizo] > besides . FC is rpm based *shudders*
[03:57] <jdub> robertj: hrm, not sure that's true
[03:57] <robertj> and you can bet your bottom dollar that it will appear in the next major revision of every distro shipping 2.6 as default
[03:57] <Kamion> ok, I so need a wireless card in the amd64 box
[03:57] <robertj> jdub: really?
[03:57] <_Hiro_> :/
[03:57] <_Hiro_> <3 umounting on tap of button
[03:57] <jdub> robertj: wrt top menu being a waste of space
[03:57] <robertj> jdub: ohh
[03:58] <robertj> Unless you are running half a bajillion applets it seems like you have a bunch of unused screen realestate
[03:58] <[Scizo] > no .. bottom toolbar is a waste of space .. first thing i do is move the window [list|switcher]  to the top toolbar and remove the bottom one :)
[03:59] <jdub> [Scizo] : (mmm, i actually remove the window switcher along with the panel)
[03:59] <robertj> Gawsh, once composite hits standard i'm sure the bottom bar is going away for alot of people
[03:59] <[Scizo] > nice touch to include firefox as the default browser
[04:00] <_Hiro_> jdub but what if you minimize a window?
[04:00] <jdub> _Hiro_: i don't :-)
[04:00] <robertj> alt+tab ;)
[04:00] <az[a] zel> should have a dock like OS X :D
[04:00] <Deft_u> I make the top bar autohide so I only have the bottom one on the screen most of the time
[04:00] <[Scizo] > jdub, naah .. i keep the workspace switcher ... ws1 for terminals and xchat, ws2 for evolution, ws3 for browser, ws4 for komodo and/or anjuta
[04:00] <tseng> hmm
[04:00] <robertj> the Dock is a good idea but with the panel it become needless
[04:00] <tseng> the industrial trash icon totally doesnt work with the trash applet
[04:01] <jdub> tseng: yeah, there's a bug in the icon usage there atm
[04:01] <neill> wow. that was painless.
[04:01] <_Hiro_> o could anyone check for me wether there is an openvpn package?
[04:01] <[Scizo] > tseng, hmm ... you have a point .. no trash icon on my desktop .. i wonder where i'll find that now
[04:01] <_Hiro_> I suppose there is
[04:01] <tseng> [Scizo] : on the panel
[04:01] <tseng> trash applet
[04:01] <tseng> like osx
[04:01] <jdub> [Scizo] : bottom panel, on the right
[04:01] <[Scizo] > _Hiro_, there is .. not sure if it's in universe though
[04:01] <robertj> I understand its OS X like but it seems like it should be under Computer
[04:02] <[Scizo] > jdub, the bottom panel i deleted as the first thing :)
[04:02] <jdub> [Scizo] : add the trash applet to your top panel
[04:02] <robertj> under Desktop
[04:02] <_Hiro_> ok great, I prefer to keep 'within the system' as opposed to compiling a lot of seperate packages from source :)
[04:02] <jdub> [Scizo] : i put it at the top right :)
[04:02] <_Hiro_> is there bootsplash support ?
[04:02] <[Scizo] > i really love how gnome is getting closer to OS X with every release
[04:02] <az[a] zel> with a lot of laptops going wide screen these days.. it's good to have the panel on the left or right I reckon.. on OS X I have the dock on the left hand side
[04:02] <robertj> Scizo: it's really not
[04:03] <Deft_u> deoes anyone else have lots of blank lines in system monitor? they seem to be where the kernel events processes should be
[04:03] <Kamion> losing the bottom panel is definitely a win on smaller laptop screens
[04:03] <[Scizo] > robertj, it is .. but in it's own gnome way :)
[04:03] <az[a] zel> nah gnome still isn't like OS X.. it is in some ways, like the instant apply stuff, and the button ordering
[04:03] <robertj> I wish Gnome would team up with the EFF to take on spring-loaded folders
[04:03] <[Scizo] > well .. the gnome panel is a lot more usefull than the OS X panel
[04:03] <Kamion> neill: with a daily build?
[04:03] <jdub> Deft_u: yes, known bug
[04:03] <az[a] zel> but it's like windows in other ways, like the tree menu for applications
[04:03] <robertj> OS X file navigation is a wonderful blend of browse & spatial
[04:03] <[Scizo] > and takes a lot less space
[04:04] <az[a] zel> yeah it would be great if nautilus worked like finder 
[04:04] <[Scizo] > robertj, az[a] zel : and then again .. not
[04:04] <_Hiro_> the ubuntu 6 month release cycle, does it mean that the repository of packages is frozen and every 6 months new tested ones are added?
[04:04] <az[a] zel> and if ejectable media had an eject icon embedded in the media icon (since pressing the eject button the cdrom doesnt work)
[04:05] <robertj> The #1 (one, 1, uno) thing Gnome needs to do is take the bookmarks from FileOpen and stick them on the left hand bar for drag and open targets
[04:05] <Kamion> _Hiro_: fairly soon we'll open up hoary, which will be a development repository until it freezes; you'll be able to track it while it's in development
[04:05] <robertj> "That's not spatial," but it sure is useful.
[04:05] <Deft_u> az[a] zel, right click, eject...
[04:06] <_Hiro_> Kamion, but for instance if you have gaiml 1.0.0 in the repos and a month later they release 1.0.1, what happens? you need to wait another 5 months?
[04:06] <az[a] zel> Deft_u, I've watched my g/f use the computer, and I don't think I have *ever* seen her right click, or command->click in OS X.. sticking the eject button on the icon makes it more obvious for those people
[04:06] <Kamion> also, losing the bottom panel means you dodge the annoying bug #1288 ... :)
[04:06] <Deft_u> az[a] zel, ah, isee the problem there...
[04:06] <Kamion> _Hiro_: that'll go into the current development suite
[04:06] <_Hiro_> ah nice
[04:06] <Kamion> e.g. hoary in this case
[04:07] <robertj> az: it's also helpful for pointing out the burn button to people
[04:07] <_Hiro_> so... does k3b work on ubuntu? :P
[04:07] <jdub> _Hiro_: you can install it from universe, yes
[04:07] <robertj> in 10.3 when you put in a CD-R it has the little burn icon on the disk
[04:07] <Kamion> _Hiro_: it's in universe
[04:07] <_Hiro_> woohoo :D
[04:08] <az[a] zel> I think there really isn't a need for a CD burning application..... there should be a burning API, so any app that wants to burn to CD can do so in its own interface
[04:08] <neill> Kamion: don't think it's daily
[04:08] <Kamion> _Hiro_: not what you might call heavily tested, though; it only became installable a couple of days ago
[04:08] <az[a] zel> for burning files, just use nautilus
[04:08] <neill> Kamion: it's the default amd64 iso
[04:08] <robertj> If empty trash is under file, why isn't eject CC
[04:08] <_Hiro_> Kamion, well I just need a little something to burn dvdr, k3b did that fine before :)
[04:08] <robertj> err Eject CD
[04:08] <Kamion> neill: fair enough; if you get a chance to give a current daily a try at some point to make sure it detects the disks properly (you don't have to do a full installation, just run up to partitioning), I'd appreciate it
[04:08] <jdub> _Hiro_: nautilus will do that for you :-)
[04:09] <robertj> From a usability standpoint the Computer Menu probably isn't so great.
[04:09] <_Hiro_> are the audio-channels unmuted by default on install? o_O   ;)
[04:09] <robertj> In 10.2, people never use the Go menu, which is similar
[04:09] <jdub> we'll be making a couple of changes to it
[04:09] <Kamion> _Hiro_: supposed to be, I think there may still be a few bugs on some systems
[04:09] <az[a] zel> I've never used the go menu
[04:10] <_Hiro_> wooh :P
[04:10] <az[a] zel> I like the sidebar in finder
[04:10] <robertj> People respond much better to "Click the smiley face," after which they see most of the thigns that used to be in the Go Menu
[04:10] <_Hiro_> I'm going to feel spoiled
[04:10] <robertj> also in 10.3 command-U opens utilties ;)
[04:10] <az[a] zel> a decent sidebar for accessing things quickly would be good for nautilus.. it can display common locations as well as mounted volumes... like Finder :)
[04:10] <_Hiro_> too bad about mono, I use muine currently
[04:11] <jdub> _Hiro_: tseng has a repo of updated mono stuff
[04:11] <robertj> The Places menu needs to play nice with the Computer & File Dialogs
[04:11] <jdub> _Hiro_: we may include mono in our next release
[04:11] <_Hiro_> rhythmbox tends to fail for me... or is it gstreamer :/
[04:11] <toothpick> my java is working with opera...but not firefox yet
[04:11] <_Hiro_> that would be nice :)
[04:11] <az[a] zel> the new gnome file dialogs have a sidebar of common locations.. but nautilus doesn't.. why not use the same concept for all file management?
[04:11] <_Hiro_> will there be a forum on the website?
[04:12] <_Hiro_> you see, I use gentoo right now (don't hit me m'kay :s ) and their forum is great for finding solutions to problems
[04:13] <robertj> :)
[04:14] <robertj> Big flops in OS X usability are the Documents, Movies, Music, and Pictures directories
[04:15] <robertj> ~ 50% split things randomly between desktop and Documents, 25% pick one or the other (usually the desktop) and a very few put things in the proper places
[04:17] <robertj> My Desktop tends to be a collection of PDF's that I haven't gotten around to trashing yet and .tgz/bin images and their contents (usually relating to various install programs)
[04:17] <Deft_u> robertj, Ubuntu has sort of has a Documents folder, so if you could come up with a bug/something that could well be useful...
[04:17] <robertj> The point being is that Documents folders really don't work that well
[04:17] <robertj> Also in OS X, noone has any clue what the Library is for
[04:17] <trukulo> sorry
[04:17] <trukulo> nick problems here
[04:18] <robertj> The world would be a better place if there was ~ and ~/Settings
[04:18] <Deft_u> damn right, that was big in plan for a new distro
[04:18] <Deft_u> no more .folders all over the place
[04:18] <Kamion> urgh, ~/Settings is bong
[04:19] <Kamion> .files are my friends
[04:19] <robertj> Kamion: but not your average user
[04:19] <Kamion> the average user doesn't edit settings files directly
[04:19] <Kamion> for the rest of us, Ubuntu is still Unix ...
[04:19] <robertj> After years and years we could probably teach users to rename the settings folder of misbehaving applications to keep them from randomly crashing
[04:20] <Kamion> _Hiro_: we will be doing fora, yes
[04:20] <robertj> Kamion: Your average user has applications that crash because their Library/dot file/registry keys are wrong
[04:20] <Kamion> robertj: they should report them as bugs :-)
[04:20] <Deft_u> http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~psh103/distro/tree.html is my very improbable future
[04:20] <Kamion> applications shouldn't crash, full stop
[04:20] <robertj> Kamion: which is all well and good, except for the fact they do
[04:20] <robertj> and were not talking little applications
[04:20] <robertj> were talking Office X, Safari, major apps
[04:20] <robertj> and OSS apps will crash too
[04:21] <Kamion> robertj: dotfile problems are a relatively rare cause for that in UNix
[04:21] <Kamion> Unix
[04:21] <Kamion> the right answer is to fix the bugs, not to give up
[04:21] <robertj> Kamion: The right answer is to do both
[04:21] <pestilence> could somebody explain how i get the oss compatibility drivers to load automatically in ubuntu?
[04:22] <robertj> Also, a rare few individuals do manage to use ~/Library/Fonts
[04:22] <david_> hi everyone
[04:22] <Kamion> robertj: disagree
[04:22] <pestilence> i've tried putting lines in /etc/modutils/alsa-base but it does nothing
[04:22] <Deft_u> pestilence, thry probably are, does you volume control not show two sets of mixers?
[04:22] <Kamion> "rename your settings folder" leaves a very bad taste in users' mouths
[04:22] <pestilence> Deft_u: there's no /dev/dsp, which is the problem
[04:22] <robertj> It also leaves a very bad taste to have an application crash that they can't fix
[04:22] <Kamion> it should never be a proffered solution
[04:23] <pestilence> Deft_u: snd-pcm-oss
[04:23] <pestilence> is not loaded
[04:23] <Deft_u> pestilence, does modprobe snd_pcm_oss produce errors?
[04:23] <pestilence> Deft_u: no
[04:25] <pestilence> and everything works fine after i do that....i just need to get that module loaded automatically
[04:25] <Deft_u> ok, quick fix is to add it /etc/modules then, just add that name on a line of the file by itself
[04:25] <pestilence> there is a line in /usr/share/doc/udev/README.Debian that tells me a about it
[04:25] <pestilence> but i did what it says, and that didn't help
[04:26] <robertj> pestilence: you need to add it to one of the files in /etc/modules and then run a program
[04:26] <robertj> which rebuilds the system file actually read by the system
[04:26] <pestilence> i did that
[04:26] <pestilence> i put it in /etc/modutils/alsa-base
[04:26] <pestilence> and ran update-modules
[04:26] <robertj> then check the /etc/modules file and see if the line you need is actually in there
[04:27] <robertj> might also check to see if it has been blacklisted
[04:27] <pestilence> in /etc/hotplug/blacklist?
[04:27] <david_> I need some help, could anyone help me out?
[04:27] <david_> just a simple question
[04:27] <robertj> david: sure
[04:27] <Deft_u> someone will try
[04:27] <jdub> david_: that's what we're here for, ask straight up :)
[04:28] <david_> its about the root account
[04:28] <robertj> sudo -s passwd root
[04:28] <david_> i read the documentation
[04:28] <jdub> david_: it's disabled :-)
[04:28] <robertj> ;)
[04:28] <jdub> robertj: no, don't encourage that.
[04:28] <david_> ok, im gonna try it
[04:28] <david_> thanks
[04:28] <jdub> david_: don't do that
[04:28] <robertj> jdub: hehe ;)
[04:28] <jdub> david_: try using sudo
[04:28] <jdub> david_: and ignoring the root account
[04:29] <david_> don't work :(
[04:29] <jdub> what doesn't work?
[04:29] <david_> sudo -s passwd root
[04:29] <robertj> err doh
[04:29] <robertj> take out the -s
[04:30] <robertj> sudo -s gives you a shell as root
[04:30] <pestilence> so, does ubuntu use /etc/modprobe at all?  from the documentation it sounds like there was a switch from /etc/modules.conf to it in the 2.6 version of module-init-tools, but the file is empty
[04:30] <jdub> david_: don't set the root password
[04:30] <jdub> david_: you don't need to
[04:30] <david_> nothing, doesen't work
[04:30] <david_> any alternative?
[04:30] <scaroo> david_, use "sudo your_cmd"
[04:31] <jdub> david_: the first user on the system has sudo rights
[04:31] <scaroo> to exec the your_cmd  prog as root
[04:31] <jdub> david_: so for anything you need to do as root, type "sudo <command>"
[04:31] <jdub> david_: and type *your* password
[04:31] <david_> but it asks me for a passwd
[04:31] <jdub> yours :)
[04:31] <david_> oh
[04:31] <david_> ok, thanks
[04:31] <robertj> *fwap*
[04:31] <robertj> ;)
[04:31] <david_> im such a dumb
[04:31] <jdub> david_: nah, it's a bit different :)
[04:32] <david_> thanks anyway
[04:32] <david_> nice people here
[04:32] <hermes88> can anyone tell me how to change runlevel to 2?
[04:32] <hermes88> I can't get telinit to work
[04:32] <cybrjackle|lappy> default is 2
[04:33] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> jdub need some more help
[04:33] <hermes88> eh, well how to I exit x?  I'm trying to install nvidia drivers
[04:33] <pestilence> /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[04:33] <hermes88> i've never used a debian distro before
[04:33] <pestilence> or stop :)
[04:33] <cybrjackle|lappy> ctrl +alt +F1
[04:33] <cybrjackle|lappy> ps -ef |grep gdm
[04:33] <cybrjackle|lappy> kill -9 pid
[04:34] <jdub> hermes88: listen to pestilence :)
[04:34] <cybrjackle|lappy> could be better ways ;)
[04:34] <robertj> hehe we should have a prettypleaseletmeout command
[04:34] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> I get this error when using rhythmbox: "OSS device "/dev/dsp" is already in use by another program."
[04:35] <Deft_u> froma console, sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop
[04:35] <Sameli> mepis has console login as an option in kdm
[04:35] <scaroo> SeTh_thE_SinNeR, is esd running ?
[04:35] <Sameli> which is nice IMHO
[04:35] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> scaroo yes
[04:35] <Kamion> gdm should have a "shut down graphical environment and go to console" button on the greeter
[04:35] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> seth@devil ~ $ lsof | grep /dev/dsp
[04:35] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> esd       4321       seth    5w   CHR       14,3              6897 /dev/dsp
[04:35] <Kamion> the question of how to do it is *so* frequently asked
[04:36] <robertj> It shouldn't be used that much
[04:36] <jdub> Kamion: hrm
[04:36] <Kamion> robertj: in real life it is, though
[04:36] <robertj> Not for joe schmoe
[04:36] <Kamion> people ask for it at least twice a day just in the places I read
[04:36] <pestilence> what is the advantage of using invoke-rc.d over just typing in the path to the script?
[04:36] <Deft_u> pestilence, I have no idea, but debian told me to...
[04:37] <jdub> Kamion: you don't tend to read knitting group lists though, to be fair :)
[04:37] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> i'll be watin' here for some help
[04:37] <scaroo> SeTh_thE_SinNeR: ok, the problem is, i think, that esd has a lock on /dev/dsp, so you rtb cannot write to it 
[04:37] <Kamion> jdub: my girlfriend reads knitting group lists and still often switches to a console when using Unix systems, so there :)
[04:37] <pestilence> Deft_u: it has roughly the same number of keystrokes, so i guess it must be personal preference :)
[04:38] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> scaroo if it is, how can the sound events be played??
[04:38] <jdub> Kamion: i'd try to claim my fiancee doesn't switch to consoles, but... well... yeah.
[04:38] <robertj> OS X doesn't require using the console but once in a blue moon
[04:38] <Deft_u> jdub, is esound planned to stay? alsa recommend dmix these days I think
[04:39] <jdub> Deft_u: we don't actually run esound on startup
[04:39] <scaroo> SeTh_thE_SinNeR, esd is the daemon that plays the sound events
[04:39] <jdub> Deft_u: if we can autoconfigure dmix, that'd be rad
[04:39] <jdub> Deft_u: but thus far, that seems almost impossible ;)
[04:39] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> ok, but should it play also music files?
[04:39] <Deft_u> jdub, well, I've only ever used one config and it seemed to work, guess I might look into it.  My main comp has an SBLive though, so I haven't thought about it much
[04:40] <Kamion> jdub: :-)
[04:40] <scaroo> SeTh_thE_SinNeR, launch gstreamer-properties
[04:40] <scaroo> then choose the esd output sink
[04:40] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> aaaahhh
[04:40] <jdub> Deft_u: yeah, let's just give everyone good sound cards ;)
[04:40] <scaroo> i think it will fix it
[04:40] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> that's what i was looking for
[04:40] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> ty
[04:40] <Kamion> jdub: I think your fiancee might not count so much as an ordinary user :-)
[04:41] <scaroo> np
[04:41] <scaroo> SeTh_thE_SinNeR, is it working ?
[04:41] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> yup
[04:41] <scaroo> cool !
[04:41] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> i knew what i had to do
[04:41] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> but couldn't find that
[04:42] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> oss to esd
[04:42] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> done
[04:42] <scaroo> speaking of output sink, i cannot set it to the alsa one, know issue ?
[04:42] <Deft_u> is anything bad going to happen if I remove discover?
[04:43] <robertj> hrmm, my bet is yes
[04:43] <robertj> I'd leave discover
[04:43] <Kamion> Deft_u: depends how lucky you feel
[04:43] <Kamion> we still partially rely on discover for hardware detection, as well as hotplug
[04:43] <Deft_u> well, my debian sid works fine on just hotplug
[04:43] <Deft_u> on this hardware anyway
[04:43] <Kamion> didn't say it necessarily wouldn't work - like I say, depends how lucky you feel :-)
[04:44] <tolo> Hi to all/Hola a todos
[04:44] <jdub> estoy buscando mis pantalones!
[04:44] <robertj> Chances of you losing your nic support are very low
[04:44] <robertj> worst case scenario is probably probing your nic driver back in and apt-get installing it again
[04:45] <Deft_u> nic is the most basic realtek thing, it always seems to work somehow
[04:45] <Deft_u> anyway, I'll reboot to see if starting with no /etc/modules will work, back shortly I hope
[04:45] <jdub> is "chit-chat" a well known colloquialism?
[04:45] <robertj> jdub: yeah
[04:46] <robertj> why do you ask?
[04:46] <jordi> even I know it.
[04:46] <robertj> it's not something I would say unless it was to scold a child
[04:47] <robertj> or even an adult perhaps
[04:47] <robertj> I guess I would find it acceptable as a transative form of chat ;)
[04:47] <jdub> jordi: ahr, ok
[04:47] <jordi> jdub: is it that day today?
[04:47] <trukulo> hi tolo
[04:48] <jdub> jordi: which day?
[04:48] <tolo> hi trukulo
[04:48] <jordi> SPEAK LIKE PIRATE DAY!
[04:48] <jdub> jordi: yes it is!
[04:48] <tseng> yarrrrr jordi 
[04:48] <tolo> everything works fine, I am just waiting to atack JRE
[04:48] <jordi> aahrr!
[04:48] <scaroo> hmmm, juste a suggestion : root shell and user shell should use different gnome-term profiles to be easily identified, just my 2cts.
[04:49] <robertj> I'm not a big fan of the default gnome terminal profile
[04:49] <robertj> it's not any kind of gtk control, so having it be white seems silly when traditionally consoles have been black
[04:50] <scaroo> robertj, yeah, or maybe the colors should be in sync with the ones defined in the gtkrc
[04:51] <robertj> I think its better to be black
[04:51] <Deft_u> robertj, it should use theme colours...
[04:51] <tolo> trukulo: Do you know how often packets are updated in Universe?
[04:51] <robertj> maybe with a skull & crossbones on the root acct ;)
[04:51] <trukulo> tolo, when it will be stable, i think 6 months
[04:51] <trukulo> but i'm not sure
[04:51] <tolo> ok
[04:51] <jdub> tolo: only for bugfixes before we release (but they're not high priority)
[04:52] <trukulo> jdub, but only security fixes ?
[04:52] <david_> I guess they're updated pretty often, because im downloading anjuta 1.2.2
[04:52] <jdub> tolo: then, on the development branch, they will be synced every day from sid
[04:52] <trukulo> no newer versions?
[04:52] <Deft_u> robertl, at least on mine the "Default" profile uses theme colours...
[04:52] <jdub> trukulo: build fixes and so on, but not new versions
[04:52] <trukulo> jdub, perfect
[04:52] <jdub> trukulo: we are not doing security support for universe
[04:52] <tolo> jdub/trukulo, and developpment branch will be on Universe?
[04:53] <trukulo> jdub, ah, ok, that's interesting (and comprehensible)
[04:53] <trukulo> tolo, devel it's sid, more less
[04:53] <jdub> tolo: hrm, no; devel branch includes main and universe
[04:53] <scaroo> Deft_u, my default is just plain white with black text, whatever is my theme
[04:53] <tolo> I thought the release will be with SAreg
[04:53] <tolo> sarge
[04:53] <jdub> tolo: no, ubuntu is based on sid
[04:54] <trukulo> tolo, ubuntu ALWAYS is being based in sid
[04:54] <tolo> jdub: thx, ok
[04:54] <siretart> will ubuntu include java environments like sun jdk oder blackdown java?
[04:54] <trukulo> so , main is supported, universe is not supported, both of them are freeze of sid
[04:55] <jdub> siretart: potentially later on, in restricted, but we want to be as fully free as possible
[04:55] <trukulo> siretart, i don't think so, unless they are free
[04:55] <trukulo> perhaps gjcwebplugin
[04:55] <jdub> siretart: there's a longer answer to this in the FAQ
[04:55] <trukulo> when it works weel
[04:55] <trukulo> well
[04:55] <jdub> yeah
[04:55] <robertj> jdub: how does Ubuntu freeze?
[04:55] <tolo> Now my only TODO is to intall JRE
[04:55] <trukulo> jdub, i like that way, it's very inteligent
[04:56] <jdub> robertj: we stop syncing with sid
[04:56] <robertj> I meant in terms of timeline
[04:56] <jdub> see the release schedules
[04:56] <trukulo> jdub, umm, not exactly sid, isn't it?
[04:56] <jdub> wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog/ReleaseSchedule
[04:56] <jdub> trukulo: it's sid frozen a couple of months ago
[04:57] <tolo> Ubuntu is getting a lot of good tal at a Spanish LUG called Bulma, there are a lot of people sng Ubuntu there and saying good things
[04:57] <trukulo> because gnome 2.8 it's not in sid, as i know
[04:57] <jdub> trukulo: yeah, there are some extra things we do
[04:57] <trukulo> tolo, and badopi
[04:57] <jdub> tolo: cool :-)
[04:57] <jdub> tolo: do you know carlos perello marin?
[04:57] <siretart> jdub: i think you refer to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387. well, how can I check (beside installing ubuntu) whats ins restricted?
[04:57] <trukulo> tolo, are you bulmero?
[04:57] <tolo> Solo de visita
[04:58] <tolo> :D
[04:58] <jdub> siretart: you can just look at the archive :-)
[04:58] <robertj> jdub: is that different from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/releasecycle/document_view
[04:58] <trukulo> jdub, are you spanish?
[04:58] <jdub> trukulo: no
[04:58] <tolo> trukul I am at Palma, and I am at the distribution list
[04:58] <trukulo> ah, ok, but you like spanish
[04:58] <jdub> trukulo: but i have been to spain for guadec :)
[04:58] <tolo> but I don't go to kdd
[04:58] <jdub> and i can speak some spanish
[04:58] <trukulo> tolo, i'm trukulo, i was on distribution list, and know i'm in badopi, in barcelona
[04:59] <trukulo> jdub, i never go to conferences, i'm very busy in my work
[04:59] <jdub> estoy buscando mis pantalones :-)
[04:59] <trukulo> jdub, preguntale a tu novio si los tiene
[04:59] <trukulo> lol
[04:59] <siretart> jdub: gna, i'm looking for something like http://packages.debian.org
[04:59] <tolo> trukulo: I will be at BCN on friday, work meeting, you will feel my Ubuntu there :D
[04:59] <jdub> siretart: oh right, not yet
[04:59] <trukulo> on next friday? where ?
[05:00] <trukulo> perhaps we can make a kdd
[05:00] <trukulo> i can tell to badopi ppl, and go to a bar
[05:00] <tolo> trukulo I am a lawyer working fo a firm in the Diagonal, I work in the Palma Ofiice and regularly we report to the branch in BCN
[05:01] <tolo> trukulo, Will be great, as the clients let me go.... :D
[05:01] <trukulo> tolo, umm, that's difficult :P
[05:01] <tolo> trukulo, Sure I will love it
[05:01] <trukulo> well, i live in sagrada familia, near diagonal
[05:01] <trukulo> if you want, tell me in trukulo(at)bulmalug.net , jabber
[05:02] <tolo> trukulo, difficult because you know now I am a lawyer and don't want your good name wasted? :D
[05:02] <robertj> jdub: also, does ubuntu have any way to warn users to apply updates?
[05:02] <trukulo> and perhaps celso is here in bcn
[05:02] <trukulo> tolo, i'm used to lawyers, do you know javier de la cueva?
[05:03] <trukulo> it's badopi member
[05:03] <trukulo> wel, time to lunch
[05:03] <trukulo> see you later here
[05:03] <trukulo> bye
[05:03] <jdub> robertj: nup, will do for hoary
[05:03] <tolo> trukulo, will get the flight tickets on monday so I will let you know
[05:03] <tolo> bye
[05:03] <trukulo> ok
[05:03] <jdub> Kamion: hey, how hackish is the scrollkeeper diversion during install?
[05:03] <jdub> Kamion: could we do the same with other things easily enough?
[05:03] <maswan> thom: Glad it helped (the bittorrent scripts). I guess this is the appropriate channel. ;)
[05:05] <andred> How do you remove an icon for a a server that you have connected to in Network? Such as a WebDav connection, or ssh connection.
[05:05] <jdub> andred: we have a bugfix coming for that soon
[05:05] <andred> Aha
[05:05] <robertj> jdub: I must be looking at the wrong thing as I am still confused about the release timeline
[05:05] <jdub> robertj: what's unclear?
[05:06] <jdub> wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog/ReleaseSchedule
[05:06] <andred> jdub, Will it work to drag it to the Trash applet then?
[05:06] <jdub> ^ looking at that?
[05:06] <cc> jdub: so, where's planet canonical? ;-)
[05:06] <jdub> andred: no, gnome doesn't do unmount-by-trashing
[05:07] <jdub> cc: planet ubuntu is on the wya
[05:07] <cc> jdub: ok. just checking
[05:07] <Deft_u> andred, hopefully you can just right click and select unmount
[05:07] <jdub> not on those icons
[05:07] <jdub> (yet)
[05:08] <robertj> jdub: like is freeze done 6 months out?
[05:09] <cybrjackle|lappy> does debian not have an /etc/rc.d/rc.local anymore?
[05:09] <cybrjackle|lappy> or is that ubuntu specific
[05:09] <jdub> robertj: no, see the UpstreamVersionFreeze
[05:11] <Deft_u> cybrjackle|lappy, debian doesn't have /etc/rc.d/ at all
[05:11] <tolo> For ripping in mp3 and ogg, do you recomend GRIP or o you know of a better app?
[05:11] <robertj> jdub: yeah, that's what I'm after
[05:12] <robertj> is that date listed anywhere for warty yet?
[05:12] <robertj> or has it already occured
[05:12] <Livewire|> GRIP-age is the way forward
[05:12] <Livewire|> its a good p[rog if u config it
[05:12] <Deft_u> tolo, if it does what you want, soundjuicer is just about as easy to use as it could be
[05:12] <tolo> Deft_u and does ogg ad mp3?
[05:12] <cybrjackle|lappy> Deft_u, I thought they used to, oh well
[05:13] <Livewire|> tolo have u tried the FLAC codec?
[05:13] <Livewire|> lossless audio ;)
[05:13] <maswan> thom: If you have improvements, feel free to send them back. If they end up fairly general, I might put them up somewhere public and slap a license onto it or something like that.
[05:14] <tolo> Livewire, No i don't, have not heard about it, but on the car I have and mp3 cd
[05:14] <doko> evolution question: is there a way to run the filters on mailboxes which are located on an imap server, for every mail that gets delivered to the Imap INBOX folder?
[05:14] <tolo> I start soundjiucer, but does not seem to have support fr mp3, will investigate that
[05:15] <Livewire|> http://flac.sourceforge.net/ Tolo check it out .. it may not be of any use to u.. but its a damn good codec
[05:15] <jdub> tolo: sound-juicer! :)
[05:15] <tolo> jdub, yes but MP3 is diabled in my computer under SoundJuice
[05:15] <jdub> doko: yes, you turn that on in the accounts settings
[05:15] <tolo> Will inestigate why
[05:15] <jdub> tolo: oh right
[05:15] <jdub> because we don't include mp3 encoders or decoders
[05:15] <jdub> legal reasons
[05:16] <tolo> jdub but i am hearing an mp3 cd with rythmbox right now
[05:16] <jdub> gstreamer-mad is installed :)
[05:17] <tolo> Celtic Sounds of the Middle Earth a very good album
[05:17] <jdub> (that's a bit of a bug, really)
[05:17] <tolo> jdub es
[05:17] <hermes88> hey, how do I quit X?  I'm trying to install Nvidia drivers
[05:17] <tolo> jdub I thank for taht bug :D
[05:18] <[Scizo] > hmm .. no divx support in totem ?!?!?
[05:18] <jdub> hermes88: computer -> log out
[05:18] <jdub> [Scizo] : not as installed. install totem-xine.
[05:18] <hermes88> that takes me back to the login screen
[05:18] <jdub> hermes88: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[05:18] <hermes88> ok, thanks
[05:18] <[Scizo] > jdub, ah thanks
[05:18] <tolo> jdub, Can I install mpg123?
[05:18] <doko> jdub: nice, thanks. time to switch from firefox ...
[05:20] <tolo> ohh my god, so I can use flac in any normal mp3 player?
[05:20] <Livewire|> no tolo..
[05:20] <Livewire|> no portables supportt it AFAIK
[05:20] <Deft_u> jdub, SoundJuicer still has an old file selecter in it, is that allowed in ubuntu?
[05:20] <Livewire|> its good on the computer though
[05:21] <Livewire|> if u have a top end soundcard
[05:21] <Livewire|> and plenty of HD space
[05:21] <tolo> LiveWire Ok thx will try
[05:21] <Livewire|> theres a Grip plug in somewhere
[05:21] <Livewire|> btw average track takes up about 20-30mb
[05:22] <Livewire|> albums can take up about 300mb
[05:22] <Livewire|> in flac
[05:22] <hermes88> I have another question..  how do I log in as root through the terminal?  I need to be root to install the Nvidia drivers
[05:23] <hermes88> sorry, i've never used a Debian distro before
[05:23] <tolo> so I ca change repository to any Debian and install mpg123, this will be linked in Soundjiuce automatically?
[05:23] <Deft_u> hermes88, the root account it disabled, you either use sudo before every command, or run sudo bash for a root prompt
[05:23] <Chriffer> The root terminas option from the menu should do it
[05:23] <tolo> hermes88 As I remember from Universe you can install nvidia drivers
[05:23] <scaroo> hermes88, "sudo <cmd>, you ll be ask for a password, put youjr user's pass and you re done
[05:23] <keifer> speaking of loging in, I need to be able to run gdm in a nested window...
[05:24] <hermes88> ok, thanks guys
[05:24] <hermes88> I'll try it out
[05:24] <hermes88> also, once I have exited X, how do I restart it?
[05:24] <Deft_u> keifer, you need xnest
[05:24] <tolo> hermes88 but I am not completely sure, alot of install since yesterday night
[05:24] <keifer> Deft_u: thnx
[05:25] <hermes88> tolo yeah, I just installed this last night..  the only other distro I have used is Cobind Linux
[05:25] <hermes88> I'll try and install drivers right now
[05:25] <scaroo> hermes88, by default, if you quit a sesion, you should go back to the gdm prompt
[05:25] <keifer> if you manged to completly kill X, you can just type "gdm"
[05:25] <scaroo> s/sesion/session/
[05:25] <hermes88> keifer thanks a lot
[05:25] <tolo> hermes88 I have used Suse, RH and some Debian, and I will stick to Ubuntu, I really like it
[05:26] <hermes88> tolo I've used Red Had and Fedora briefly and I didn't like them.. too bloated
[05:26] <hermes88> thanks for all the help guys, I'll go try and install the drivers now
[05:26] <keifer> yeah, Ubuntu is great- the only problem is, it has a current GDM, so know cfg is going to make me update my gdm themes. :P
[05:27] <jonathan_j> Did someone try to type japanese in Ubuntu?
[05:28] <jonathan_j> I think SCIM should do that somehow but I have no idea how to use it.
[05:28] <albert001122> hi guys - i have installed ubuntu and have dist-upgraded to current sid.  Now I want to install KDE.  Will #apt-get install kde do it? or do i need any thing extra before i do that?
[05:30] <bolivar> you need to add the universe repository to sources.list
[05:30] <albert001122> bolivar, what is universe repository?
[05:30] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> ah btw
[05:31] <scaroo> albert001122, you ll find there all the unsupported packages
[05:31] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> ubuntu doesn't have a splash img for the grub ?
[05:31] <albert001122> scaroo, kan i just install kde by doing apt-get install kde?
[05:31] <Deft_u> albert001122, from synaptic, go to the preferences / Repositories menu
[05:31] <albert001122> as i said i have dist-upgraded to current sid
[05:31] <hermes88> guys, I'm really lost as to how to install nvidia drivers
[05:32] <hermes88> I did ctrl-alt-F1 and logged into my user
[05:32] <hermes88> then I did sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux...etc.run
[05:32] <cef> albert001122: erm, why are you asking here if you've upgraded to sid?
[05:32] <hermes88> the installer started, but it said X was still running
[05:32] <albert001122> cef, yeah u r right
[05:33] <Deft_u> hermes88, the nvidia driver is in apt archive
[05:33] <hermes88> how would I go about getting it?  I can't find the search function on apt-get
[05:33] <bolivar> albert001122: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[05:33] <Deft_u> that's the easy way, it's linux...restricted something or other, just search for restricted in synaptic
[05:34] <hermes88> Deft_u how do I search in apt-get??  I can't find the command
[05:34] <Deft_u> hermes88, run the synaptic package manager
[05:34] <Chriffer> use the graphical program
[05:34] <Chriffer> or apt-cache search
[05:34] <jsc> or apt-cache search nvidia
[05:34] <jsc> :)
[05:34] <Deft_u> the package is linux-restricted-modules-yourkernelversion
[05:35] <hermes88> Deft_u I'm in the synaptic package manager, and I've found several nvidia entries
[05:35] <hermes88> Deft_u should I get nvidia-glx?
[05:35] <Deft_u> ignroe them, just get the restricted modules package, it'll ge you all the things you need
[05:36] <hermes88> I think I already have it installed for 386
[05:36] <Deft_u> actually, you might need to select nvidia-glx separately as well...
[05:37] <hermes88> Deft_u I alrady have restricted-modules installed
[05:37] <hermes88> Deft_u after installing nvidia-glx, do I have to make changes to etc/X11?
[05:37] <Deft_u> ok, then you just need to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[05:38] <Deft_u> select nvidia as your driver, unselect glx and dri (?!) in the modules list thing, and accept everything else as it is
[05:38] <scaroo> yep dri should be disabled
[05:38] <_Hiro_> you glx for nvidia and dri for ati
[05:38] <hermes88> thanks, i'l give this a try and come back if I have problems
[05:38] <Deft_u> one thing first
[05:39] <hermes88> ok
[05:39] <cybrjackle|lappy> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-2-686-smp
[05:39] <Deft_u> when you next reboot, x migh tnot start, i that happens you need to add the line "nvidia" to your /etc/modules file and reboot again
[05:39] <cybrjackle|lappy> ^anyone have to remove/install that everytime they reboot
[05:40] <_Hiro_> still /etc/modules?
[05:40] <cybrjackle|lappy> for "nvidia"
[05:40] <hermes88> also..  why do two terminal windows open when I right-click and select "Open Terminal"?
[05:54] <Sameli> would it be possible/difficult to install ubuntu from an existing Linux installation?
[05:55] <bolivar> yes it would
[05:55] <Chriffer> Possible yes, difficult maybe, worthwhile doubtful
[05:55] <bolivar> its not even 'recommended' to upgrade from a debian install
[05:56] <Sameli> I don't mean to upgrade, I'd just rather not waste CDs if it's avoidable :)
[05:57] <bolivar> just one iso : )
[05:57] <Sameli> I know :>
[05:57] <bolivar> oh come now sameli hehe
[05:57] <bolivar> what are you running now?
[05:58] <Sameli> right now W2K, last night I installed Debian sarge
[05:58] <bolivar> dual boot then?
[05:58] <Sameli> yes
[05:59] <bolivar> only been one day...install over top
[06:00] <Sameli> I've got enough free space, not sure if I'll be wanting to ditch Debian just yet
[06:00] <bolivar> whys that?
[06:03] <Sameli> it has issues, but it works
[06:04] <bolivar> ive was messing around with debian lately because of the beta installer...didnt like the old one...ubuntu is more stable and works better than installing sarge from the beta installer
[06:05] <bolivar> i dont think you will be disappointed
[06:05] <Chriffer> I was using sarge on this computer before Ubuntu
[06:06] <Sameli> haven't had any problems with it yet, apart from the usual stumbling blocks like sound and fonts
[06:13] <fabbione> hey laotse !
[06:14] <Jay> hello africa, u guys now have a new follower ;)
[06:15] <Jay> I now drop Fedora CORE 2 for Ubutu
[06:15] <Jay> hope Ubutu get better in next version
[06:15] <fabbione> Jay: what don't you like in the actual one?
[06:15] <fabbione> Jay: any feedback is really welcome
[06:15] <fabbione> but i suggest you to write it down and post it to ubuntu-users mailing list
[06:15] <Jay> Fedora CORE 2 is somehow perfect for strong computer indeed
[06:16] <Jay> but the only thing I hate at Fedora CORE 2 is its confusion within the dev team
[06:16] <Jay> for example
[06:16] <Jay> there are some simple bugs that could be fixed instantly
[06:16] <Jay> many ppl submitted the report but the bug is still there since RedHat 8
[06:17] <Jay> and ... there are lots of bugs due to bad cooperation b/w developers especially on X.org
[06:17] <fabbione> well I think that kind of problems are common to all communities. I hope it won't happen here..
[06:17] <Jay> I hope so
[06:17] <fabbione> but time will tell
[06:17] <Jay> but I love Ubutu by first sight
[06:17] <toothpick> I had to install aumix was there another way to change volume of my line in?
[06:17] <Chriffer> FC is also terrible slow
[06:17] <Jay> nice work!
[06:18] <Jay> true FC is slow on low speed PC
[06:18] <Jay> but it runs very well on 3Ghz P4 :)
[06:18] <Jay> but not many ppl can afford it lol
[06:18] <Jay> I have a feedback on Ubutu
[06:19] <fabbione> Jay: good.. do you mind to send it to the list?
[06:19] <Jay> yeah
[06:19] <FrozenAim> Hi, what is the default root password in Ubuntu???
[06:19] <Jay> let me write the thing up
[06:19] <fabbione> Jay: at least all the developers can read and take appropriate actions
[06:19] <Jay> and I send to u
[06:19] <fabbione> Jay: not to me personally please..
[06:19] <Jay> I know
[06:19] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> does anyone knows a program to convert mp3 - mp3
[06:19] <fabbione> ok thanks :-)
[06:19] <fabbione> not that many do :-)
[06:19] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> (to reduce mp3 quality)
[06:19] <robertj> cp
[06:20] <takatumi> heh
[06:20] <Jay> The only thing all ppl are seeking about Ubuntu is the PACKAGE LIST
[06:20] <Jay> y don't we have one on the website?
[06:20] <Sameli> FrozenAim: the root account is disabled
[06:20] <FrozenAim> really...
[06:21] <FrozenAim> how can I enable it
[06:21] <Sameli> FrozenAim: don't, use sudo
[06:21] <toothpick> I'm getting errors while trying to apt-get upgrade with hal and j2re1.4
[06:21] <fabbione> toothpick: which kind of errors?
[06:21] <Jay> toothpick: there are some probs with apt-get j2re
[06:21] <toothpick> update-alternatives: unable to make /usr/lib/mozilla-cvs/plugins/javaplugin_oji. so.dpkg-tmp a symlink to /etc/alternatives/javaplugin_oji-mozilla-cvs.so: No suc h file or directory
[06:21] <fabbione> I have both of them installed
[06:22] <Jay> toothpick: grab the version from Sun website
[06:22] <fabbione> toothpick: no that's not a hal problem
[06:22] <fabbione> that's an error with java
[06:22] <Livewire-> BTW why was the root disable in Ubuntu? i dont understand the advantage
[06:22] <fabbione> deb http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian ./
[06:22] <Jay> same here
[06:22] <fabbione> use this apt repo for a good java package
[06:22] <Jay> I hate use sudo
[06:22] <Jay> maybe for testing purpose?
[06:22] <seb128> sudo passwd root
[06:23] <Chriffer> It takes 2 secands to change if you want to
[06:23] <Chriffer> I find it easier no use sudo
[06:23] <Jay> yeah? show me
[06:23] <toothpick> n does not exist             [fail] 
[06:23] <toothpick> run-parts: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/hal exited with return code 1
[06:23] <toothpick> invoke-rc.d: initscript dbus-1, action "restart" failed.
[06:23] <toothpick> dpkg: error processing hal (--configure):
[06:23] <toothpick>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[06:23] <toothpick> Setting up j2re1.4 (1.4.0.99beta-1) ...
[06:23] <JanneM> by disabling real root, yoy do not run the risk of accidentally running commands as root when you did not intend to
[06:23] <toothpick> sorry for the flood that was the hal error
[06:23] <fabbione> Jay: seb128 told you.... sudo passwd root
[06:24] <seb128> toothpick: <toothpick> n does not exist             [fail]   
[06:24] <fabbione> Jay: and root account is back
[06:24] <seb128> toothpick: what's the line before ?
[06:24] <Jay> toothpick: how come j2re1.4 there is 0.99 beta? did u get wrong version? it's 1.4.2_05 now
[06:24] <toothpick> Jay perhaps that is why.
[06:24] <toothpick> seb128, one sec
[06:25] <toothpick>  * Starting Hardware Abstraction Layer...
[06:25] <toothpick>  *:22:54.692 [E]  hald.c:268: drop_privileges: group haldaemon does not exist             [fail] 
[06:26] <seb128> toothpick: that's a fresh ubuntu installation ?
[06:26] <laotse> fabbione: hey man
[06:28] <Jay> I think Ubuntu can be very successful more than other distro if the marketing part is good
[06:28] <toothpick> seb128, well I added sid sources and did apt-get upgrade
[06:29] <Jay> we need to promote the Ubuntu, current giving CD away for FREE is a good way too
[06:29] <Jay> but we now need to impress ppl by first sight, I think we need to redesign the website, just look some website like redhat.com
[06:29] <toothpick> seb128, for example crafty wasn't available via the sources provided so I just added sid's from debian.
[06:29] <_Hiro_> is there anyway I can download a package before installing ubuntu? I'd prefer not to mess with wires and I need the madwifi drivers and openvpn installed for that :/
[06:29] <Jay> ppl first think about professionality
[06:30] <seb128> toothpick: yes, but we made changes to hal
[06:30] <seb128> toothpick: the debian version is not compatible
[06:30] <toothpick> ok
[06:30] <sladen> Jay: USB flash ?
[06:30] <seb128> toothpick: in /etc/dbus-1/event.d/hal remove --drop-privileges if you want
[06:31] <Jay> yeah!! USB flash is a good idea!
[06:31] <Jay> we need some sponsor and some talente designer to design the shell for USB Flash
[06:31] <Jay> just think about selling a slick and pretty special shell USB Flash
[06:32] <Jay> we also need a MASCOT for our distro
[06:32] <sladen> Jay: hehe
[06:32] <sladen> _Hiro_: USB flash /
[06:32] <Jay> and we can order some cute puppy bear toy and sell them
[06:32] <Jay> cool idea heh?
[06:32] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> lLOL
[06:33] <JanneM> a flash stick with a ready-to-boot distro would be a little sweet actually
[06:33] <Jay> true true
[06:33] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> indeed
[06:33] <sladen> yeah.  Net-install  on a 32MB/64MB flash
[06:33] <JanneM> plug in to any machine - x86 or PPC - and run
[06:33] <_Hiro_> damn don't have that :/
[06:33] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> follow others steps
[06:33] <Jay> but the flash must have a good design shell!!
[06:33] <JanneM> rather, a "LiveCD", but flash, 
[06:33] <sladen> Jay: and say `Hip2Bcool' on it
[06:34] <Jay> lol!
[06:34] <_Hiro_> sladen but where could I get the packages?
[06:34] <JanneM> where real system config changes are backed up on the flash device
[06:34] <Chriffer> a bootable flash drive wouldnt be too tough
[06:34] <JanneM> but transient stuff are ram only
[06:34] <sladen> _Hiro_: archives.ubuntulinux.org/.../pool/main/o/openvpn*/
[06:34] <Jay> yeah
[06:34] <Chriffer> JanneM, morphix can already do all that
[06:34] <Chriffer> anssuming the USB boot works right
[06:35] <Jay> ok
[06:35] <Jay> then?
[06:35] <JanneM> so, once you boot the flash device, settings of your mail accounts and so on will be updated on the device
[06:35] <toothpick> I'll play with some graphics ;) maybe I can help out there.
[06:35] <Chriffer> that could be a 5 minute project almost
[06:35] <toothpick> I did a splash once for kanotix
[06:35] <Jay> lol
[06:35] <Jay> then toothpick, do a good one for ubuntu then
[06:35] <Jay> oh! It reminds me about the rise of glory RedHat 8!!!!
[06:36] <Jay> WE NEED A UNIQUE THEME !!!
[06:36] <Jay> like BlueCurve!
[06:36] <JanneM> more like a user-updateable lieCD
[06:36] <Jay> b/c of BlueCurve, many ppl use RedHat
[06:36] <Jay> rite?
[06:36] <JanneM> Bluecurve is pretty good
[06:36] <Jay> yeah
[06:36] <tvon|X31> I was never into bluecurve
[06:36] <Jay> then now we need some talented gfx
[06:36] <Jay> hey
[06:36] <Chriffer> JanneM, there is a Ubuntu liveCD around right?
[06:36] <sladen> has anyone done anything about getting the KDE libs in Ubuntu using the GNOME theme ?
[06:36] <Jay> how about we make a POLL ob website
[06:36] <Chriffer> made by alex?
[06:37] <Jay> about what things ppl like about unique theme?
[06:37] <JanneM> Chriffer: think so, ye
[06:37] <toothpick> The default terminal icon I put on the gnome desktop is too big.
[06:37] <Jay> yeah
[06:37] <Chriffer> add the CD persisiten minimod from the morphix website to that
[06:37] <Jay> then make POLL, collect ppl opinions
[06:37] <Jay> and design our own theme
[06:37] <tvon|X31> sladen: not that I know of...full kde support is not on the drawing board, so I'm not sure how much work anyone is going to put into the theme matching
[06:37] <JanneM> would be a mistake to push a unique theme "just because2
[06:37] <Chriffer> and you can save all the temporary files to a multisession CD
[06:37] <Chriffer> theres a hewto around
[06:37] <Chriffer> howto
[06:37] <JanneM> there are several good themes around
[06:38] <JanneM> use one of them
[06:38] <tvon|X31> IMO Ubuntu should just ship SmoothGNOME, but whatevas
[06:38] <Jay> yeah
[06:38] <JanneM> mm
[06:38] <Jay> I know what u means JanneM
[06:38] <JanneM> Smooth is good, though a little more HIG love is needed
[06:38] <Jay> but let thinks about real biz here
[06:38] <Jay> a distro that live forever
[06:38] <Jay> make ppl remember
[06:38] <JanneM> "different" != "good" when it comes to business
[06:38] <Jay> is the one that has unique thing!
[06:39] <JanneM> may be good for the /. crowd
[06:39] <Chriffer> for a USB stick someone would need to smash Ubuntu into 220MB or so probably
[06:39] <Jay> and RedHat has done it
[06:39] <Jay> BlueCurve is the one!
[06:39] <Jay> now
[06:39] <Jay> we need our one
[06:39] <Jay> we can tweak the Smooth
[06:39] <Jay> but we need to design our icons
[06:39] <tvon|X31> I disagree, I think peple put to omuch stock in 'unique' themes
[06:39] <JanneM> Jay: rehat has done it - once, as the undisputed leader, and still got a lot of heat from it
[06:39] <tvon|X31> An icon theme is a big project
[06:39] <JanneM> aim for using the Gnome default theme
[06:40] <Jay> that's why we need some talented gfx designer
[06:40] <Jay> volunteer one
[06:40] <JanneM> and fix problems with it and move upstream instead
[06:40] <tvon|X31> no
[06:40] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> qnx made it to 1.44Mb
[06:40] <tvon|X31> YOu will get someone with some intereste who will develop half a theme and then lose interest
[06:40] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> ;P
[06:40] <JanneM> mm
[06:40] <tvon|X31> JanneM: yeah
[06:40] <Jay> you know what?
[06:41] <Jay> Garret, the one done the BlueCurve
[06:41] <JanneM> I mean, that's half of being a good citizen in this field
[06:41] <tvon|X31> eg, CleanView Base (the SmoothGNOME icon theme) basically does that, but is more based off of Industrial than GNOME icons
[06:41] <Jay> somehow he has motivation
[06:41] <Jay> on his project
[06:41] <tvon|X31> JanneM: seriously
[06:41] <JanneM> either SMooth or Indubstrial are good choices
[06:41] <sladen> tvon|X31: ah, but eventually (eg. Umbrello), something will want to pull in and use the Qt widget set
[06:41] <Jay> but loose interest at the end
[06:41] <JanneM> which one is a matter of taste as much as anything
[06:42] <sladen> Chriffer: liveCD on multisession CDRW sounds interesting
[06:42] <Jay> OK, for now... I think we should stick with Smooth
[06:42] <JanneM> personally, I'm partial to LightHouseBlue, but I'm strange in many ways
[06:42] <JanneM> mm
[06:42] <tvon|X31> heh
[06:42] <SeTh_thE_SinNeR> sladen very much
[06:42] <pepsi> hi
[06:42] <JanneM> go with gnome defaults unless there are pressing reasons not to
[06:43] <JanneM> and then, consider if a patch upstream may not solve it better first
[06:43] <Se7h> better now
[06:43] <Jay> yeah
[06:43] <Chriffer> Maybe I will play with some live CD's and flash based things
[06:44] <Jay> stock GNOME is good for now
[06:44] <Chriffer> Is 256MB the normal size for a flash drive?
[06:44] <Jay> Chriffer
[06:44] <Jay> design some good CD face
[06:44] <Jay> yeah
[06:44] <Chriffer> I'm not exactly the draw on a CD kind of person
[06:45] <Jay> same here lol
[06:45] <pepsi> anybody know why my keyboard doesnt work in the installer? im using a g4... the keyboard works fine in the bootloader, but then in the installer, it doesnt recognize keystrokes unless i hold the key down, and then the key sticks :(
[06:45] <Jay> has anyone found RealPlayer 10 GOLD on Ubuntu? I think ... it's missing
[06:46] <Chriffer> It may be a "bug" check the bugzilla
[06:46] <Chriffer> I think that's linked in the topic
[06:46] <Deft_u> does the linux-source package actually build?
[06:46] <Jay> yup
[06:51] <tbone> noob here....getting an error when running  cdrecord -scanbus          cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.    Any help?
[06:51] <Se7h> wtf
[06:51] <Deft_u> hmm, I'm sure I can't be on the right track when I have to su to my own account...
[06:51] <Se7h> + gmake
[06:51] <Se7h> /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.99740: line 22: gmake: command not found
[06:59] <pepsi> kll
[07:02] <SteveA_> yay, phil (whose castle the plone sprint is at) just installed ubuntu on his laptop 
[07:02] <SteveA_> and he seems very happy
[07:10] <pepsi> :(
[07:10] <pepsi> :(
[07:13] <PeaceableFrood> has anyone compiled Xorg 6.8 on Ubuntu?
[07:14] <tvon|X31> yes
[07:15] <PeaceableFrood> hmm because mine failed when it got compiling pam support i believe perhaps it was because i forgot the pam-dev package
[07:15] <tvon|X31> there are instructions on fdo that work fine
[07:15] <tvon|X31> PeaceableFrood: A good way to make sure you have all the right packages intstalled for building is to install the build-deps for xserver-XFree86
[07:15] <tvon|X31> apt-get build-dep xserver-XFree86
[07:16] <Se7h> give an hint here plz
[07:16] <Se7h> Enter the userid that the ucc program should run as [nobody] 
[07:16] <Se7h> > 1000
[07:16] <Se7h> invalid user id
[07:16] <Se7h> why doesn' it accept ?
[07:16] <tvon|X31> uid == name usually
[07:16] <Se7h> ah
[07:16] <tvon|X31> hence the default of [nobody] 
[07:16] <Se7h> :|
[07:16] <PeaceableFrood> ah thanks
[07:16] <tvon|X31> np
[07:17] <pepsi> ubuntu is broken
[07:17] <Se7h> nobody for everyone
[07:17] <Se7h> right?
[07:17] <tvon|X31> nobody is a user
[07:17] <Se7h> yeah
[07:17] <Se7h> but in that why
[07:17] <Se7h> no pass is needed
[07:17] <tvon|X31> ah...I dont know
[07:18] <Se7h> hmm
[07:18] <Se7h> well
[07:18] <tvon|X31> pepsi: I dont know whats up with your keyboard, try the mailing list
[07:19] <pepsi> k
[07:20] <Se7h> Thank you!
[07:20] <Se7h> Now, go have a coffee .. the rest of the install is automatic ......
[07:20] <Se7h> (lol)
[07:22] <tbone> noob here....getting an error when running  cdrecord -scanbus          cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.    Any help?
[07:23] <PeaceableFrood> you might want to try cdrecord -dev:ATAPI:0,0,0 -checkdrive
[07:23] <Noodles> I find "dev=ATA:" works for me and ATAPI: doesn't.
[07:23] <Noodles> Though only as root.
[07:24] <PeaceableFrood> it seems to be a bug in the 2.6.8.1 kernel
[07:25] <PeaceableFrood> that causes cdrecord to only work as root
[07:25] <tbone> I got that error in the root terminal
[07:25] <trey_> 4.1 preview looks very nice  :)
[07:25] <Noodles> They tightened up the SCSI command checks.
[07:26] <trey_> Good work everyone involved so far... just installed it today... Fedora and Debian background  :)
[07:26] <pr0c> trey_, I concur :) very nice.
[07:26] <tbone> so I would have to log in as root, and not just sudo?
[07:27] <trey_> Especially UI tweaks... much more logical... and no more looking for the desktop to empty recycle bin etc... usually get rid of icons on desktop anyway  :)
[07:27] <trey_> tbone, root back: sudo passwd root >> type YOUR password >> CREATE roots...
[07:28] <trey_> One thing I don't like so far... easily fixed though  8)
[07:28] <pr0c> i can't remember how to make nautilus quit opening everything in a new window, anyonne know offhand?
[07:28] <trey_> middle double click...
[07:28] <PeaceableFrood> hmm seems i screwed up the line cdrecord -dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 -checkdrive works for me
[07:28] <PeaceableFrood> both root and user
[07:29] <trey_> pr0c, middle mouse button twice will open new window, and close parent...
[07:30] <probs> anyone else run into problems with gstreamer audio playback problems? I'm getting "OSS device "/dev/dsp" is already in use by another program." when I try to play music in Rhythmbox.
[07:30] <pr0c> trey_, perfect, thanks. That works, i know there is a pref somewhere too but thats perfec :)
[07:30] <trey_> probs, running shoutcast stream through Rhythmbox right now...
[07:30] <tbone> that worked peace, so I would use that "-dev=" parameter when burning an iso?
[07:31] <trey_> pr0c, sometimes its handy to keep parent open though...
[07:31] <pr0c> trey_, exactly what i was thinking 
[07:31] <trey_> tbone, cdrecord dev=hdc --speed=# [--data]  file1 file2
[07:32] <Zomb> tbone: no. cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATA: 
[07:32] <scaroo> probs, run "gstreamer-propertie" and select the esd output sink
[07:32] <trey_> iso is probably good to use --data
[07:32] <Zomb> and then look which dev=ATA:... string is for you
[07:32] <PeaceableFrood> if your not using SCSI-emulation -scanbus will no work
[07:32] <PeaceableFrood> you want -checkdrive then
[07:32] <trey_> Zomb, shrug, ide-cd makes /dev/hdc work with 2.6  :/
[07:33] <Zomb> PeaceableFrood: dude. rtfm, dev=ATA: and it will work.
[07:33] <Zomb> trey_: but not blessed by usptream, export trouble, sooner or later
[07:33] <probs> scaroo, beautiful! It works! thanks so much!
[07:33] <tbone> peace: how is ubuntu configured by default?  scsi emu or no?
[07:33] <Zomb> I think not
[07:33] <Zomb> you do not want to use scsi-emu with 2.6
[07:33] <trey_> Zomb, its what I used... and I'm running Ubuntu having burned it using cdrecord  :/
[07:34] <trey_> Zomb, no, you use ide-cd
[07:34] <Zomb> trey_: it works now but JS is an ashole. He can disable this access method in the next reason just for fun.
[07:34] <PeaceableFrood> tbone ATAPI works fine with me and Ubuntu default
[07:34] <Zomb> trey_: what "no"? I mean ide-cd.
[07:34] <PeaceableFrood> since SCSI emu is bad, says linus uses atapi if you hardware supports it
[07:34] <Zomb> s/reason/version/
[07:35] <trey_> Zomb, no - you don't use scsi-emu... I guess I'm agreeing with you...
[07:35] <pepsi> hrm
[07:35] <PeaceableFrood> and it doesn't use as much cpu when burning
[07:35] <PeaceableFrood> its something linux has one up on windows
[07:35] <tbone> I think I see now, not quite up with the changes in 2.6 as I prolly should be, thanks everyone
[07:35] <trey_> But yeah... Ubuntu just got a trial on my desktop... a keeper for a while  :)
[07:36] <trey_> Just would like to see the boot process and perhaps the installer tweaked a little... made more pretty if this is to be a desktop distro...
[07:37] <trey_> Already perhaps the most intuitive I have seen though... 
[07:37] <Deft_u> trey_, I seem to remember a graphical installer was mentioned somewhere, but I may have imagined it
[07:37] <tbone> I'm liking what I see so far, methinks this distro is going places
[07:38] <Soko|WiFi> Hi, people. Is anyone else having trouble with the IPW2100 driver?
[07:38] <tbone> and apparently since 2.6.7, linux no longer randomly hangs my nforce2 machine
[07:39] <trey_> Deft_u, would be nice... debian-installer can be configured to use a GUI instead of ncurses, also something to cover up GRUB wouldn't be too bad... just a few logo's ala rhgb...
[07:39] <Deft_u> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/HoaryHedgehog, second item
[07:39] <scaroo> Soko|WiFi, works great here but what s your problem ?
[07:40] <Soko|WiFi> Didn't create interface eth1
[07:40] <trey_> upgrades easy through releases just like Debian right?
[07:40] <Deft_u> it should, have to wait until one happens to find out of course :)
[07:40] <Soko|WiFi> Driver loads with hostap and the firmware
[07:40] <Soko|WiFi> no eth1
[07:40] <trey_> Deft_u, kinda what I figured  :)
[07:42] <probs> does anyone have the included nvidia drivers working?
[07:42] <trey_> Deft_u, resembles closely what I was looking for with a Debian... if they do it right  :)
[07:42] <j^> Soko|WiFi hostap shows up as wifi0/wlan0 with wlan0 beeing the network interface
[07:42] <Soko|WiFi> Oh.
[07:43] <Soko|WiFi> iwconfig wlan0 then?
[07:43] <trey_> Jeff Waugh is involved correct? GNOME release manager  8)
[07:43] <j^> Soko|WiFi yup
[07:43] <Soko|WiFi> K. I'll try that.
[07:43] <Deft_u> oh dear,I'm looking forward to that release far too  much now, considering the first one hasn't even happened yey
[07:43] <Soko|WiFi> I may even re-install - I've been hacking a bit trying to get it to go.
[07:43] <j^> just calling ifconfig should show all devices.
[07:44] <Soko|WiFi> Really? wlan0 isn't listed
[07:44] <Deft_u> ifconfig -a will show devices that aren't configured
[07:44] <Soko|WiFi> K.
[07:44] <Soko|WiFi> <--- normally a Fedora user
[07:45] <Soko|WiFi> Thanks for the tips, gents - I'll let you knwo how I made out
[07:46] <Llamabutcher> hey guys I just installed ubuntu on my system and everything is working great, but i downloaded a .avi and i get the audio but no visual
[07:46] <Llamabutcher> is there something else i need to do?
[07:46] <trey_> <-- just got rid of Fedora... having replaced Debian with it, which he has used for about 3 years...
[07:47] <marquivon> hi.i plan to install ubuntu today & use it as my desktop. i believe i don't need to download it again once the final version comes out in october and can upgrade it through the gui interface. am i right?
[07:48] <Kosai> That's right.  It's like Debian in that way.
[07:48] <marquivon> okay great! that means i can apt-get install packages too?
[07:49] <Llamabutcher> Should totem have visual support out of the box?
[07:49] <Llamabutcher> i only get audio for some reason
[07:50] <marquivon> Llamabutcher: do yu need to install any w32 libraries too for totem to work?
[07:50] <Kosai> Llamabutcher: No; since the video codecs you require are non-free and undistributable.
[07:51] <Kosai> totem-xine in universe provides many of these codecs, apparantly.
[07:51] <scaroo> Llamabutcher, that s because ubuntu doesnt come with decoding plugins apart from theora, but you should install totem-xine from universe
[07:51] <Llamabutcher> from universe?
[07:52] <Kosai> Llamabutcher: See /etc/apt/sources.list.
[07:52] <scaroo> that s the repo where unsupported packages are found
[07:52] <Se7h> where....non free-licenced
[07:53] <scaroo> as kosai said edit youre sources.list and uncomment the line where the token universe is found
[07:53] <thecombatwombat> while we're kind of on topic, is there any way to get dvds playing without compiling from source?
[07:54] <Kosai> Dunno.  Doesn't totem-xine handle that?
[07:54] <thecombatwombat> Kosai: maybe, haven't tried it yet, but I don't think so
[07:54] <pepsi> poke smot
[07:55] <thecombatwombat> (I poked around universe and didn't see any libdvdnav/dvdplay etc that looked like it would play encrypted dvds)
[07:55] <sladen> pepsi: I think it's actually a pc104 keyboard in the later models, what language/country is the keyboard for?
[07:55] <xcasex> tseng, how is the ppc mono stuff coming along?
[07:55] <pepsi> english/us
[07:55] <Llamabutcher> k, it says to edit the following 2 lines to get things from universe and i did
[07:56] <pepsi> its a $5 bargain bin keyboard
[07:56] <FrozenAim> how do u install deb packages?
[07:56] <Llamabutcher> but it still says that it is referred to by another package
[07:56] <Kosai> Llamabutcher: Now you need to run 'sudo apt-get update && apt-get install totem-xine'.
[07:56] <Llamabutcher> i changed my sudo to su
[07:56] <Kosai> Okay.
[07:56] <sladen> thecombatwombat: unfortunately, DVD and such have patent problems
[07:56] <Llamabutcher> i did like sudo passwd root
[07:56] <Kosai> Then remove the 'sudo' part.  :)
[07:56] <Llamabutcher> heh
[07:56] <pepsi> sladen, you think it might be the keyboard?
[07:56] <SurcouF> bon
[07:57] <moyogo> i think totem has problems with video display
[07:57] <moyogo> at least on ubuntu
[07:57] <sladen> thecombatwombat: somebody has posted a link on the ubuntu-user list with APT lines to various 'interesting' stuff that Ubuntu can't ship otherwise
[07:57] <martink> Install totem-xine. Then add "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main" to sources.list. Then install libdvdcss2 (totally unsupported, maybe illegal etc).
[07:57] <sladen> pepsi: well, if the keyboard was working during the setup, the keyboard has been proved to work in some respects
[07:57] <thecombatwombat> sladen: thanks, I really want to give ubuntu to some of my non-techie currently fedora running friends
[07:58] <Llamabutcher> k i did the update and all that
[07:58] <Llamabutcher> but it still says package totem-xine has no installation candidate
[07:58] <sladen> pepsi: the installer would have been on the console, are you able to press Ctrl-Alt-F1   (Use Ctrl-Alt-F7 to get back)  and see if the keyboard works there
[07:58] <pepsi> they keyboard works during the bootloader, where i can invoke the installer
[07:59] <pepsi> im guessing that the bootloader uses open firmware for keyboard input
[07:59] <pepsi> and the kernel is using some driver that apparently doesnt work :)
[07:59] <Llamabutcher> martink: the update looks like it installed sucessfully, but it still says package totem-xine has no installation candidate
[08:00] <FrozenAim> how do u install *.deb files?
[08:01] <Tester_> you guys have a livecd ?
[08:01] <pepsi> control-alt-f1 does nothing
[08:01] <martink> Llamabutcher: and you removed the #s from the line with universe?
[08:02] <Llamabutcher> i removed the whole line
[08:03] <Llamabutcher> martink: was i only supposed to remove the # signs?
[08:03] <marquivon> Llamabutcher: removed the whole line means?
[08:03] <Llamabutcher> like removed the whole line
[08:03] <Llamabutcher> the whole link
[08:03] <marquivon> uh
[08:03] <martink> Llamabutcher: yes, then add " universe" at the end of the "... warty main restricted" line
[08:04] <PeaceableFrood> FrozenAim: try dpkg -i <pkgname>
[08:07] <SystemX_> ola
[08:08] <wixtech> hello, irc and ubuntu newbie here
[08:09] <Llamabutcher> martink alright i did the update, it said a few files failed to update but were being ignore or replaced
[08:09] <JanneM> hi
[08:09] <martink> Llamabutcher: that's not so good (as in "that's no improvement")
[08:09] <wm_eddie> I'm having problems with sound and apm... :/
[08:10] <Llamabutcher> oh
[08:10] <Llamabutcher> well what could that be from?
[08:10] <wm_eddie> it seems that I'm missing /dev/dsp and many standard /dev entries.
[08:10] <marquivon> Llamabutcher: i think yu just need to remove # from the universe link and then do apt-get update
[08:11] <JanneM> Llamabutcher: though sometimes you do get a transient  network error; a rerun woud fix it 
[08:11] <Llamabutcher> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty-security/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[08:11] <Llamabutcher> thats the error
[08:11] <Deft_u> wm_eddie, if you've come from a non-udev system, you will have a lot fewer /dev/ files
[08:12] <wixtech> just want to report a successful ubuntu install on a Dell Latitude D500 - including ipw2100 which I am using right now!
[08:12] <wm_eddie> uhh, but what if I need those /dev files?
[08:12] <Deft_u> they get created by the drivers when they are loaded
[08:13] <pepsi> id like to report a successful ubuntu install as well, unfortunately i cant
[08:13] <Deft_u> /dev/dsp in particular is created by snd_pcm_oss I think, it's part of alsa's oss mixer emulation
[08:13] <SystemX_> sounds like yr sound card modules aren't getting loaded at boot time
[08:13] <skel_> hello 
[08:13] <wm_eddie> Alsa should be working...
[08:13] <wm_eddie> well, I mean should be configurd properly
[08:14] <wm_eddie> alsaconf detects my soundcard correctly
[08:14] <skelll> may i know when (approximatly) kde will be (fully) avaible in universe ?
[08:14] <martink> Llamabutcher: ah, you added universe in the warty-security line as well?
[08:14] <Llamabutcher> all of them
[08:14] <Llamabutcher> space then universe
[08:14] <Llamabutcher> should there be no space?
[08:15] <SystemX_> try modprobe snd-pcm-oss & modprobe snd-mixer-oss
[08:15] <Llamabutcher> dunno
[08:16] <wm_eddie> SystemX_: I still don't have /dev/dsp... I wonder what could be wrong.
[08:16] <martink> Llamabutcher: no, it's okay. I wasn't clear enough. You can remove universe from the warty-security lines to get rid of the errors. But it should work with them. Can you install totem-xine now?
[08:16] <SystemX_> do you have adsp?
[08:16] <wixtech> ubuntu is the most successful Debian install I have other done - Thank you very much.
[08:17] <wm_eddie> there's a /dev/snd/
[08:17] <wm_eddie> with controlC0 and timer
[08:18] <Deft_u> /dev/snd is alsa, it should also have PCMs in it
[08:18] <SystemX_> no PCMXXXX
[08:18] <wm_eddie> hmm.
[08:18] <Deft_u> what sound card are you using?
[08:18] <SystemX_> sound like the sound card is loaded, the module for it that is
[08:18] <Sameli> how do I change resolution and refresh rate globally? currently
[08:18] <Sameli>                 I have to change it every time I log in, and changing it also
[08:18] <Sameli>                 doesn't apply to the login screen
[08:18] <wm_eddie> The cs4236
[08:18] <Sameli> oops, sorry about the mess :/
[08:19] <wm_eddie> the card used in the ThinkPad 600E
[08:19] <Deft_u> what make is that?
[08:19] <wm_eddie> IBM
[08:19] <SystemX_> does Ubuntu make available the patches they made for Gnome 2.8?
[08:19] <wm_eddie> Sound and APM worked perfectly under SuSE 8.2 so I know it can work.
[08:19] <jotun> Hey, when I compile a new kernel, how do I make a new initrd image. Do I even have to?
[08:20] <Deft_u> Sameli, you can change /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 manually, or run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[08:20] <wm_eddie> (Well sound didn't work at first, but after simply running alsaconf it worked)
[08:20] <SystemX_> jotun, i don't see why you would have too
[08:20] <pr0c> jotun, you need a initrd if you have a module you require to be loaded during boot, for example if you have reiserfs and compile it as a module
[08:20] <Deft_u> jotun, if you aren't compiling in your ide controller drivers and whatever, you must use an initrd
[08:21] <jotun> How do I make an initrd?
[08:22] <wm_eddie> anybody here get apm working?
[08:22] <trukulo> mkinitrd
[08:22] <yuran> jotun: with mkinitrd? :)
[08:22] <jotun> oh, ok
[08:22] <jotun> :)
[08:22] <Deft_u> jotun, there's a debian package for bulding kernel packages
[08:23] <jotun> I found that just now, "make-kpkg buildpackage -rev Custom.1 kernel_image"
[08:23] <Deft_u> that's the one, I'm told it does initrds too, but I've never used it...
[08:23] <takatumi> jotun: add --initrd to that line
[08:23] <jotun> ok, thanks
[08:25] <pampa> Hi, anybody knows how to debug a problem with wireless connections?
[08:26] <pampa> it's a PRISM2 adapter
[08:26] <Chriffer> Try things until it works
[08:26] <Kosai> Maybe.  Ask your question.
[08:26] <pampa> it is detected and shows as eth1
[08:26] <pampa> but cannot make it work
[08:27] <pampa> it shows when I execute ifconfig
[08:27] <Kosai> Well, that's a good start.  You're using DHCP?
[08:27] <pampa> yeah
[08:27] <Kosai> So, what happens when you 'dhclient eth1', or whatever?
[08:27] <Noodles> What about iwconfig?
[08:28] <pampa> iwconfig also shows it
[08:28] <pampa> but says link quality 0/92
[08:29] <pampa> Signal level=134/153  Noise level=134/153
[08:29] <pampa> i know it should work in linux because I used this under fedora
[08:29] <Noodles> Does it the Cell line have a valid MAC address? You're in the right mode of ad-hoc/managed?
[08:30] <Sameli> Deft_u: there is no refresh rate setting in XF86Config-4
[08:30] <plovs> does anybody know how I can get evolution calendars to work? 
[08:30] <pampa> IEEE 802.11-DS  ESSID:"Wireless"  Nickname:"HERMES I" Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.457GHz  Access Point: 44:44:44:44:44:44
[08:30] <pampa> that's what shows up by iwconfig
[08:31] <michi> hi ! can anyone answer me a short question ?!
[08:31] <pampa> when I execute ifconfig
[08:31] <Deft_u> Sameli, refresh rate is in the monitor section, X should work out what to use within a range
[08:31] <pampa> shows an ipv6 address
[08:31] <pampa> but no ipv4
[08:31] <Noodles> And what are you trying to talk to? A wireless access point?
[08:31] <pampa> yah
[08:31] <Deft_u> michi, ure
[08:31] <Noodles> That Access Point line means you've no association.
[08:31] <Deft_u> sure even
[08:32] <Noodles> Is there a WEP key? Is that ESSID correct?
[08:32] <pampa> what did you mean by MAC address?
[08:32] <Noodles> 44:44:44:44:44:44
[08:32] <pampa> we have an open connection :/
[08:32] <SystemX_> does ubuntu use devfs?
[08:32] <pampa> no WEP
[08:32] <Deft_u> SystemX_, no
[08:32] <SystemX_> thanx
[08:32] <michi> okay, when i try to boot the ubuntu-iso, then it hang when it says booting vmlinuz.
[08:32] <Noodles> Does "iwconfig eth1 essid off" help perhaps?
[08:32] <Noodles> Or essid ""
[08:33] <michi> iso is ok, burned it 3 times and downloaded it three times from all mirrors
[08:33] <Deft_u> michi, could be lots of things, you'll probably need to ask one of the Canonical people about that
[08:33] <pampa>  iwconfig eth1 essid off
[08:33] <pampa> made it work
[08:34] <Noodles> What does "iwconfig eth1" say now? It should have the correct essid.
[08:34] <pampa> at least the applet shows signal strength
[08:34] <SystemX_> i get an smlib.h missing file error when i try to compile Rox-Filer, anyone know what that is apart of?
[08:34] <pampa> Access Point: 00:0F:66:3D:70:AA
[08:34] <Noodles> Does dhcp work now then?
[08:35] <michi> deft_u, my pc hangs then, hard reset is needed ... i had no problems with any debian before
[08:35] <ralph> hello again
[08:35] <jay303f> i have a question about the installer, the installer waits forever on detecting ide-cd and i wonder if anybody else had this
[08:36] <michi> deft_u, who are the canonical-people ?
[08:36] <SystemX_> it does use devfs -- CONFIG_DEVFS_FS=y
[08:36] <pere_> Just installed Ubuntu. Fantastic first impression!
[08:36] <SystemX_> pulled right from the config file...
[08:37] <trukulo> pere_, it's very good
[08:37] <pampa> IEEE 802.11-DS  ESSID:"Home"  Nickname:"HERMES I"
[08:37] <pampa> ok, I think I know what happened
[08:37] <pampa> Home is how it's called out network
[08:37] <pere_> Probably a stupid question (never used Debian before). How do I figure out what packages are availiable for install?
[08:37] <pampa> and when I set this up
[08:37] <pampa> it just asked for a name
[08:37] <pampa> and I put wireless!!!!
[08:37] <pampa> thanks man!!!!
[08:37] <Sameli> I stopped gdm, how do I restart it? /etc/init.d/gdm start fails
[08:38] <pampa_> I guess that now that both networks worked
[08:38] <pampa_> I had a mess with them
[08:38] <Chriffer> pere_, theres a tool called synaptic under the computer menu
[08:38] <pampa_> I had to turn the wireless connection off (yeah!!!!)
[08:38] <Chriffer> in system configuration
[08:38] <trukulo> pere_, synaptic
[08:39] <michi> no one any idea for my problem ?
[08:39] <Deft_u> Sameli, what error?
[08:40] <jay303f> nobody can help me with ide-cd installer problem?
[08:40] <Deft_u> michi, jdub is probably a good person to ask if he's around
[08:40] <elm1> hello there
[08:41] <talos> hello
[08:41] <ickyGoat> 1
[08:41] <elm1> great i#ve made it
[08:41] <Sameli> Deft_u: all it said was "fail" instead of "ok"
[08:41] <pere_> Thnaks Chriffer/trukulo. 
[08:42] <Deft_u> Sameli, look in /var/log/gdm/
[08:42] <Sameli> I tried changing runlevel (telinit 3/5) and now this is the only console that works x)
[08:44] <Deft_u> runlevel 2 is the normal one, I haveno idea if the others are supposed to be different
[08:44] <Sameli> fg
[08:44] <Sameli> oops
[08:45] <Sameli> apparently you can't C-z while using screen :>
[08:45] <lamont> w00t.  i386 apt-get install kde in a base chroot says: 0 upgraded, 396 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[08:45] <lamont> ppc/amd64 still have kde issues, but the kde-folks can now at least install it on i386.
[08:46] <subterrific> any reason why ubuntu didn't include gpdf?
[08:46] <BluMax> /quit 
[08:46] <Deft_u> subterrific, I was wondering that, it works fine if you install from universe
[08:46] <sladen> subterrific: I think currently, it was missing things like  "print" menus
[08:46] <BluMax> /bye 
[08:46] <BluMax> /exit 
[08:47] <BluMax> /leave 
[08:47] <sladen> /quit
[08:47] <BluMax> /disconnect 
[08:47] <Deft_u> how about /part?
[08:47] <npmccallum> BluMax: try /part
[08:47] <BluMax> /part 
[08:47] <BluMax> hmmm 
[08:47] <npmccallum> BluMax: what chat client are you using?
[08:48] <sladen> [x]  |\
[08:48] <BluMax> JediKnight 
[08:48] <sladen>       \\ *click*
[08:48] <subterrific> sladen: hah
[08:49] <Sameli> no errors in /var/log/gdm, telinit 2 does not restart gdm
[08:51] <subterrific> does popularity contest email ubuntu or debian?
[08:52] <BluMax> how does one disconnect from Ubuntu??? 
[08:52] <Deft_u> BluMax, just kill your client
[08:52] <BluMax> ?lemme out !!!!!!!! 
[08:52] <trukulo> BluMax, hein?
[08:52] <trukulo> BluMax, write /quit
[08:52] <BluMax> hmmmm sounds very unorthodox  :-) 
[08:52] <BluMax> /quit 
[08:53] <trukulo> what irc are you using BluMax ?
[08:53] <BluMax> Well, that's what you get for using a FREE IRC client !!!!!!!  :-( 
[08:54] <BluMax> $%@!%!@ 
[08:54] <trukulo> what irc client are you using?
[08:54] <BluMax> jediKnight 
[08:54] <elm1> hi there
[08:54] <trukulo> what?
[08:54] <Sameli> ok, deleting the extra resolutions in XF86Config helped, and unlike in Debian it now uses the correct refresh rate as well
[08:54] <Deft_u> BluMax, I doubt many people here aren't using a free client
[08:54] <trukulo> jediknight? what's that ?
[08:55] <BluMax> Think I;ll use a Baseball bat on this thing  %$@%$! 
[08:55] <elm1> anybody experienced trouble with sound 
[08:55] <trukulo> you are using mac os x
[08:55] <elm1> ?
[08:55] <BluMax> It i sa MAc OS X irc client    Free ware 
[08:55] <Deft_u> try ctrl+\ if it's command line
[08:55] <trukulo> freeware, it's not free software
[08:56] <BluMax> yup it is !!!\ 
[08:56] <trukulo> no, it isn't
[08:56] <Sameli> next question... ;) how do I configure locales so that messages are in English but everything else (numbers, keybard) is localized? dpkg-reconfigure locales isn't the answer apparently
[08:56] <elm1> anybody expereinced trouble with sound using ubuntu
[08:56] <BluMax> Check Tucows 
[08:56] <trukulo> it's free about price, not about freedom
[08:56] <BluMax> freeware 
[08:56] <trukulo> freeware != free software
[08:56] <Deft_u> elm1, what sort of sound?
[08:56] <BluMax> yah right 
[08:56] <elm1> well i can't get sound going 
[08:56] <pampa__> Noodles:  I don't know if you see that everything went fine
[08:57] <trukulo> so what do you want for us ?
[08:57] <elm1> i am using a dell latitiude d600
[08:57] <pampa__> I had problems with my TWO connections
[08:57] <Deft_u> elm1, anywhere? or just in some programs?
[08:57] <trukulo> if it's freeware, it has nothing about ubuntu
[08:57] <elm1> anywhere
[08:57] <elm1> really strange
[08:57] <BluMax> it;s really Donationware now 
[08:57] <Deft_u> elm1, try lsmod | grep snd
[08:57] <elm1>  when i want to increase volume on the sound applet 
[08:57] <elm1> it jumps back to 0
[08:58] <elm1> sorry have to boot my other machine first
[08:58] <trukulo> BluMax, and what do you want?
[08:58] <BluMax> I want to disconnect from the channel 
[08:59] <elm1> also acpi doesn't seem to work
[08:59] <BluMax> /pull the plug 
[08:59] <trukulo> BluMax, we don't know that program, it's not related with ubuntu, and not related with free software
[08:59] <Sameli> 7kick BluMax HTH, HAND ?
[08:59] <BluMax> didn't work !!  :-) 
[08:59] <trukulo> in other words... it's not our problem
[08:59] <BluMax> no it i sot ur prob 
[08:59] <peacemaker885> I couldn't see apt-file as included in the packages.  Is there a tool provided with similar functionality?
[09:00] <trukulo> BluMax, it's graphical?
[09:00] <trukulo> BluMax, have you read the manual?
[09:00] <BluMax> seems jsediKight does not use any of the standard command line commands for disconnect. There are no menu caooands either 
[09:00] <michi> now anyone here to help me with my problem now ?! i want to boot the iso and it hangs when it says : booting /install/vmlinuz
[09:00] <JanneM> BluMax: click the close window icon; that should do it
[09:01] <BluMax> I was just trying to find th eorthodox way to disconnect 
[09:01] <JanneM> trukulo: edited the wiki - your suggestion seems to end up to be the same as m one
[09:01] <elm1> Deft_u - i did lsmod ...
[09:02] <trukulo> JanneM, the same?
[09:02] <trukulo> JanneM, can you explain that?
[09:02] <JanneM> identical
[09:02] <SystemX_> aw, good old Linux 2.6.9rc2... it makes everything run nice...
[09:02] <JanneM> check the manual page on the command
[09:02] <trukulo> JanneM, ok, but mkcow it's easier :)
[09:02] <Deft_u> elm1, did you see any snd drivers loaded?
[09:02] <JanneM> trukulo: slighty :)
[09:02] <elm1> yep
[09:03] <trukulo> JanneM :) ok, it's very well edited
[09:03] <JanneM> just change whatever you feel like, of course
[09:03] <Deft_u> elm1, which drivers are loadedfor your card?
[09:04] <trukulo> JanneM, it's very well like this :)
[09:05] <elm1> snd_ac97_codec
[09:05] <elm1> hang on - i think they are probably not loaded
[09:06] <elm1> could it be that snd_intel8x0m and snd_intel8x0 are the drivers
[09:06] <ickyGoat> .
[09:07] <elm1> because they don't seem to be loaded
[09:08] <Deft_u> elm1, very likely
[09:09] <elm1> so what do i do ???
[09:09] <elm1> not supported
[09:09] <elm1> what i get is this snd_intel8xom  18632    0
[09:10] <elm1> and similalr for the other one
[09:10] <Deft_u> you get snd_pcm and whatever as well?
[09:10] <elm1> yes
[09:11] <Deft_u> then it should be loaded,lsmod is only loaded nodules
[09:11] <elm1> snd_pcm and snd_pcm_oss
[09:11] <Deft_u> try running alsamixer
[09:11] <elm1> is that installed by default
[09:12] <elm1> cause running it from the console doesn't start it
[09:12] <elm1> i get snd_clt_open failed for default: No such device
[09:13] <Deft_u> have you installed any linux version of the thing before?#
[09:13] <elm1> no 
[09:13] <elm1> ubuntu is the first on this machine
[09:14] <mdz> subterrific: gpdf isn't ready yet
[09:14] <elm1> maybe i should try sth like knoppix 
[09:14] <mdz> elm1: file a bug and send the output of the "lspci" command
[09:14] <Deft_u> that would be a good way to see if the driver works at all on the hardware...
[09:14] <elm1> ok 
[09:14] <mdz> it is possible that your sound hardware is not supported, but it is also possible that the correct driver is not being loaded
[09:15] <Deft_u> mdz, will gpf be in the final release?
[09:15] <subterrific> mdz: yeah i see that now, no printing
[09:15] <mdz> subterrific: we intend to switch to it once it's in shape to replace xpdf
[09:15] <Deft_u> ah, never noticed that, never had a printer...
[09:15] <elm1> mdz - are you part of the developer teqam
[09:15] <elm1> team ?
[09:15] <mdz> yes
[09:15] <elm1> ok 
[09:15] <elm1> great work !!!
[09:15] <elm1> really like it so far
[09:16] <elm1> apart from sound (-;
[09:16] <JanneM> hey, sound is a major source of hearing impairment
[09:17] <JanneM> be happy :)
[09:18] <elm1> not on my laptop ....
[09:19] <mdz> elm1: thanks!
[09:19] <elm1> well my companies laptop 
[09:19] <elm1> when is the finl release due
[09:19] <elm1> any ideas ?
[09:20] <elm1> and will it be just a question of apt-get update
[09:20] <sivang> mdz : about #255402, have you merged it inside warty already?
[09:21] <subterrific> hmm, i think i'm going to try compiling my own kernel and using the latest ALSA since it supports my sound card
[09:21] <subterrific> looks like it should be fairly straight forward
[09:21] <subterrific> i'll add it to the wiki if i succeed
[09:22] <sivang> subterrific : what sound card?
[09:22] <mdz> sivang: rlpr is in universe
[09:22] <subterrific> a dell sb live!
[09:22] <subterrific> apparently it needs the emu10k1x driver, the emu10k1 driver for other sb live cards doesn't work
[09:23] <mdz> subterrific: I would not be opposed to a patch to add that driver to our kernel
[09:23] <sivang> subterrific : it's a laptop?
[09:24] <subterrific> mdz: well according to the ALSA website it is as easy, you can just copy the ALSA source to the right place in the kernel
[09:24] <subterrific> sivang: nope, desktop
[09:25] <sivang> subterrific : If it's just a reselled sblive, I reckon the regular emu10k driver already existing in warty will support it beautifully, just as it is for me :)
[09:25] <subterrific> sivang: nope
[09:26] <sivang> mdz : I'm trying to streamline universe also, I started with lamont
[09:26] <lamont> my wife wonders how to import her mozilla mail address book into evo...
[09:26] <subterrific> mdz: http://www.alsa-project.org/documentation.php#kerndriv
[09:26] <sivang> mdz : lamont's universe remaining list, will go backward
[09:26] <subterrific> patches right there :)
[09:26] <lamont> sivang: my list was very specific: kde blockers that hadn't built anywhere.
[09:26] <subterrific> sivang: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=emu10k1x
[09:26] <lamont> sivang: and that's done.
[09:27] <mdz> lamont: export to vCard?
[09:27] <lamont> there are some other non-kde blockers that could be uploaded, though.
[09:27] <mdz> sivang: if you can identify the fixed version in unstable, we can import it
[09:27] <lamont> mdz: yeah - now I just have to figure out what to install to get mozilla mail back...
[09:28] <sivang> mdz : there a fixed version in woody, and it seems you have already send debian the patch :)
[09:28] <subterrific> mdz: i'd like to help out and give this a try. are all the packages needed for me to install the ubuntu kernel in apt?
[09:28] <mdz> sivang: yes, it still has not been fixed in unstable :-(
[09:28] <mdz> subterrific: yes
[09:28] <mdz> subterrific: probably the easiest way would be to install linux-headers-`uname -r` and build the module outside the tree
[09:28] <sivang> mdz :  well, lets fix it ourselves! :) merge it :)
[09:29] <mdz> that package is such crap
[09:29] <sivang> sivang : and send debian a fixed .deb
[09:30] <subterrific> mdz: the linux-tree-2.6.8.1 package pulls in everything i need?
[09:30] <mdz> subterrific: linux-headers
[09:31] <mdz> subterrific: that will provide something for the /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build symlink to point to
[09:31] <mdz> and building modules should Just Wrok
[09:31] <mdz> Work
[09:31] <subterrific> oh, i didn't noticed that previous message
[09:31] <subterrific> k
[09:33] <FrozenAim> I tought that I couldn't play mp3s because the illegal thing...but I just installed xmms and it can play mp3s =)
[09:34] <subterrific> playing mp3s is fine
[09:34] <subterrific> encoding them is what requires a license
[09:34] <mdz> playing mp3 requires a license as well
[09:35] <subterrific> have they ever enforced that though?
[09:35] <mdz> http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/index.html
[09:35] <mdz> I do not know
[09:37] <subterrific> oh no, you're right, they have
[09:41] <punkass> anyone know of a recent how-to, on how to get the lid button to work properly..(on laptop)
[09:41] <xcasex> what's the url on archive.ubuntu.org for the debs?
[09:45] <subterrific> mdz: according to the alsa-driver INSTALL document i need "full configured source for the Linux kernel which you
[09:45] <subterrific>    want to use for the ALSA drivers"
[09:45] <mdz> that's what linux-headers gives you
[09:46] <Mitario> is it allowed to post support answers on the user's forum without beeing part of the ubuntu crew? :)
[09:46] <Mitario> eh, users list
[09:47] <npmccallum> Mitario: of course
[09:51] <subterrific> checking for built-in ALSA... "yes"
[09:51] <subterrific> configure: error: You have built-in ALSA in your kernel.
[09:51] <Chriffer> yay I found a cool bug
[09:51] <subterrific> :(
[09:51] <s0dak1ng> anyone got this distro to run on a emachine m6805-11 laptop yet?
[09:51] <subterrific> won't let me build ALSA outside of kernel if its already in built-in
[09:53] <Mitario> oh, hmm, there aren't any kernel-headers package for the current ubuntu kernel? (2.6.8.1-2-386)
[09:53] <subterrific> Mitario: there are, i just installed them
[09:53] <SystemX_> awe, finally, I got rox to compile...
[09:53] <sivang> s0dak1ng : http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/000294.html
[09:55] <sladen> Mitario: look for   linux-*  instead of  Debian's  kernel-*
[09:56] <Mitario> oh, heh, i didn't even knew the 'nvidia' module was already packaged in the restricted repo :)
[09:56] <Mitario> brb, going to reconfig my X
[09:57] <ickyGoat> .
[09:58] <ickyGoat> ,
[09:59] <Mitario> wow, this is really great, it 'just works' :)
[09:59] <Mitario> i'm beginning to like ubuntu more every hour
[10:08] <bskahan> anyone have problems allocating ptys with the current ubuntu kernel?
[10:08] <ickyGoat> ,
[10:08] <bskahan> ;
[10:10] <mdz> no
[10:11] <bskahan> mdz: thanks, if its not a known problem then its probably my buggy setup
[10:11] <subterrific> mdz: so building the ALSA module outside of the kernel doesn't work because of ALSA being built into the kernel
[10:12] <mdz> subterrific: that is unfortunate
[10:12] <subterrific> i tried to hack it by removing the check from the configure script, but the module didn't work
[10:13] <subterrific> mdz: i'm going to try rebuilding the kernel and patching it with the new ALSA
[10:13] <sivang> mdz : couple of packages could be fixed with mere sync in from sid. i'll send the finsihed list when i'm done.
[10:14] <mdz> sivang: thanks
[10:17] <ickyGoat> .
[10:17] <ickyGoat> ..
[10:18] <cybrjackle|lappy> is ubuntu udev only or is it still using devfs?
[10:20] <mdz> cybrjackle|lappy: udev
[10:20] <mdz> except in the installer, which uses devfs
[10:20] <cybrjackle|lappy> ok, thx
[10:20] <cybrjackle|lappy> what about grub
[10:21] <|Gaaruto|> is there only the url on the origine sources.list to dl packages on ubuntu ?
[10:23] <stragier> first of all, hi ! I'm having troubles playing mp3's with totem through my samba network. Is this the right place to ask questions ?
[10:23] <sladen> |Gaaruto|: are you asking about mirrors?
[10:24] <cybrjackle|lappy> |Gaaruto|, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[10:24] <elmaya> use rhytmbox
[10:24] <cybrjackle|lappy> if your talking mirrors
[10:25] <stragier> rythmbox doesn't seem to be lauched correctly by nautilus ... Nothing seems to happen ...
[10:25] <trey_> stragier, confused... why aren't you using Rhythmbox? Totem is primarily for video... Rhythmbox is like iTunes...
[10:26] <stragier> Totem seems to be the default mp3 player. I suppose i should change this
[10:26] <trey_> I am streaming an mp3 playlist via shoutcast right now...
[10:27] <trey_> stragier, yes...
[10:27] <|Gaaruto|> sladen> yes, about mirrors
[10:27] <sladen> |Gaaruto|: okay, see the page cybrjackle|lappy sent you
[10:27] <|Gaaruto|> ok
[10:27] <psi> stragier, let me know if you CAN change it
[10:27] <psi> because i can't
[10:28] <trey_> I really am getting quite used to the menu structure in Ubuntu... very very logical, I like  :)
[10:28] <cybrjackle|lappy> trey_, me too
[10:28] <cybrjackle|lappy> took me a minute to figure out were "themes" went :D
[10:28] <trey_> psi, computer >> desktop prefences >> prefered applications ... look for what the default for mp3 is...
[10:29] <trey_> blah, they changed that... damn them  :(
[10:29] <psi> yeah..
[10:29] <seb128> lamont: do you know why galeon is not built ?
[10:29] <psi> you can right click on a file and change now
[10:29] <psi> but it won't let me
[10:29] <psi> totem is stuck as default
[10:30] <stragier> Prefered applications only seems to offer choices for Email, terminal, web and text
[10:30] <lamont> After installing, the following source dependencies are still unsatisfied:
[10:30] <lamont> mozilla-dev(inst 2:1.7.2-2 >= conflicted 2:1.7)
[10:30] <lamont> seb128: ^^^
[10:30] <trey_> appears same here... blah... Music Application would work though  :/
[10:30] <psi> yes - right click on an mp3 file and choose properties, then open with
[10:30] <trey_> if it was selectable...
[10:31] <pere_> How do I change language? (Menues, helptext etc, not keyboard)
[10:31] <stragier> hmm it seems nautilus is not that happy to open network samba directorys
[10:32] <stragier> gdm language scheme ?
[10:32] <trey_> pere_, isn't that the purpose of locales? dpkg-reconfigure locales <-- choose the right one....
[10:32] <seb128> lamont: hum, galeon need an update so ?
[10:32] <stragier> (i think you can select locale that way) per_
[10:32] <giard> does anyone have a faq on how to compile your kernel in ubuntu?  I did a test run, but it looks like I have to do some initrd work as well
[10:32] <Soko>  /msg nickserv link Soko|WiFi lori253
[10:32] <trey_> giard, kernel-package should still apply...
[10:33] <trey_> giard, join #debian and type '!kp'
[10:33] <trey_> Someone should get debian's trusty bots in here... 
[10:34] <trey_> #debian-bots basically tells you how... just need someone that will be in here more then me to host it  :(
[10:34] <lamont> seb: could be.
[10:34] <sivang> giard : why would you compile you own kernel?
[10:34] <_axel> hi, i installed the nvidia drivers and everything works, but i get a weird error: when i run xmms i get this error from ld.so: Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[10:35] <_axel> that seems to be TLS related, but i know shit about that, could someone help?
[10:35] <giard> sivang: trying to get driver working that's not in the main source
[10:35] <pere_> trey_: It seems to work. Thanks.
[10:35] <trey_> pere_, yw
[10:36] <sivang> giard : what type?
[10:37] <sivang> giard : if you don't mind the kernel's size, you can choose to include your file system's driver inside the kernel, freeing from creating an initrd image
[10:38] <_axel> nobody else has this dll issue with nvidia drivers? :(
[10:39] <psi> _axel, well, the drivers work fine for me, but I haven't tried xmms
[10:39] <psi> i don't really see the connection
[10:39] <Zomb> _axel: is an xmms problem with libmikmod, tls related. maybe with nvidia, too.
[10:39] <Zomb> install libmikmod2
[10:39] <psi> let me try xmms
[10:40] <giard> I'm trying to get my SMC PCMCIA wireless working
[10:40] <sivang> giard : if you are using ext3 for your root filesystems, use the make xconfig tool provided by the kernel and have it compiled inside the kernel.
[10:40] <psi> yes - i have the same problem, _axel
[10:40] <Zomb> psi: the bug appears in exactly this combination. kernel 2.6, libc-i686 and nvidia-glx installed, libmikmod2 not installed
[10:40] <_axel> Zomb: uhm, that actually works. Xmms work properly now :)
[10:40] <giard> it's an ADM8211
[10:40] <_axel> its a broken dependency in the xmms package then?
[10:40] <giard> sivang: have it compile inside the kernel?
[10:40] <psi> Zomb, interesting :)
[10:41] <Zomb> _axel: not really. Bug in the library loader or so.
[10:41] <_axel> ah
[10:41] <|Gaaruto_|> could i dl kb for ubuntu ?
[10:41] <|Gaaruto_|> k3b*
[10:42] <sivang> giard : yes, that way ext3 file system supports would be already present when it boots so it won't need the initrd image to kickstar
[10:42] <Zomb> |Gaaruto_|: more leet plz. cdI dl kb for ub?
[10:42] <lamont> maybe importing the address list from mozilla-mail was a bad plan...
[10:42] <lamont> since now clicking on 'To' box in composition leadsd to a bunch of blank lines...
[10:43] <lamont> and for that matter, how do you see what the email address is that it wants to use for a given book entry?
[10:43] <lamont> maybe life would be simpler if I just sent her back to mozilla-mail where she's comfortable.
[10:43] <sivang> lamont : evolution is better?
[10:44] <lamont> never used it, no desire to.
[10:44] <lamont> mutt much better.
[10:44] <giard> sivang: I think I'm missing the poing.  I'm from the gentoo side of things, what is initrd for and why won't ext3 be built into the system automatically?
[10:44] <lamont> but then, I prefer CLI to GUI most days too
[10:44] <wm_eddie> hmm I think I need to install the 2.4 kernel and use that one instead.
[10:44] <Zomb> giard: it is not only about ext3... or what is the point?
[10:45] <lamont> sivang: and she's been using moz-mail for some time, and is kinda happy with it.  learning curves are bad for my non-tech wife...
[10:45] <sivang> lamont : :)
[10:45] <matt_> actually yeah.. what filesystem IS ubuntu using?
[10:45] <sivang> lamont : send her back to moz-mail, it's nicer :
[10:45] <mdz> matt_: ext3 by default, the rest are available through manual partitioning
[10:45] <giard> Zomb: Why are there more steps than make && make modules_install?
[10:45] <giard> I guess that's what I'm asking
[10:46] <sivang> giard : initrd is an initial ram disk image, which loads into memory to allow the kernel to load neccesary driver and kickstart init
[10:46] <matt_> mdz: awww crap.. thx. Is reiser4 available?
[10:46] <sivang> giard : init being the first proccess on a linux system that spawns others.
[10:46] <lamont> sivang: what's a good doc site for evo?
[10:46] <mdz> matt_: no
[10:46] <matt_> mdz: ok dokie.. I guess I'll stick with ext3 then, thanks
[10:47] <sladen> giard: make-kpkg && dpkg -i ../linux-... .deb
[10:47] <seb128> mdz: stupid question, but why if you add an user it should be in some standards group (at least plugdev) ?
[10:48] <sladen> matt_: your data is probably safer using ext3 too...
[10:48] <mdz> seb128: it should be, we just haven't implemented it yet
[10:48] <seb128> ok
[10:48] <mdz> currently that only happens for the base-config user
[10:48] <seb128> I've noticed :)
[10:48] <giard> sladen: thanks, I think that answers my question
[10:49] <SurcouF> mdz, and when you'll implement it, how do you proceed ?
[10:50] <mdz> SurcouF: I think the ideal implementation would be to have a radio button in the tool which lets you select whether the user should have these privileges or not
[10:50] <giard> sladen: I assume the make-kpkg does all the initrd stuff for me?
[10:50] <Zomb> interesting, ubuntu kernel Oopsing after first reboot on a Dell box. Known issue?
[10:50] <Zomb> maybe apic?
[10:50] <giard> Zomb: this is a dell box... errr, laptop
[10:50] <stragier> what's the package to install, so you can use the ntp support on gnome desktop ?
[10:51] <elmo_> zomb: don't think it's known, it's worked on the one dell I've tried it on (PE 2650)
[10:51] <SurcouF> mdz, I mean if I've add next user on ubuntu, trougth adduser command per example
[10:52] <sladen> giard: yes
[10:52] <sladen> Zomb: does it Ooops after subsequent reboots aswell?
[10:52] <giard> sladen I did the make-kpkg, but I don't see a linux debian package
[10:52] <Zomb> elmo: this is an old poweredge server, dual-p3
[10:52] <Zomb> sladen: after the reboot, short after hotplug init script is ready
[10:53] <seb128> mdz: gtk+ 2.4.10 is out (bug fixes release), that's ok for warty ?
[10:53] <Soko> Think I found my ipw2100 problem. In dmesg I get "ipw2100: Error allocating IRQ 7."
[10:56] <sivang> lamont : i'd figure searching over novell's doc would be good, however I havn't used their doc repo.
[10:56] <Deft_u> any dev team members: is Network Manager going to be in universe soon/will the sid packge work in ubuntu?
[10:56] <sivang> lamont : as they are now supporting (owning) ximian
[10:57] <lamont> Deft_u: source package name?
[10:57] <lamont> sivang: ok. tnx
[10:57] <mdz> SurcouF: I don't think we should change how adduser works
[10:57] <mdz> seb128: unclear
[10:57] <carlos> I'm having problems to mount a nfs directory from ubuntu
[10:58] <carlos> It works from MacOSX
[10:58] <mdz> seb128: I would not want to upload it just because it is new
[10:58] <carlos> and the server does not logs the request
[10:58] <carlos> frodo:~# mount 192.168.0.10:/home /mnt
[10:58] <carlos> mount: RPC: Program not registered
[10:58] <carlos> I have portmap && nfs-common running  and the nfs module loaded
[10:59] <Deft_u> lamont, uh... well, wireless-applet is the only useful app using it so far, that's in gnome-applets source in sid
[10:59] <lamont> Deft_u: what source package are you wanting to know the status of?
[10:59] <lamont> and I'll look and see what's up with its build
[10:59] <sivang> mdz : regarding #255402, we can just as well repackage the upstream (which is fixed) right?
[11:00] <seb128> mdz: we are still traking bug fix release on the GNOME plan or not ?
[11:00] <SurcouF> mdz, I think so but you can use it with theses files /usr/local/sbin/adduser.local and /etc/adduser.local.conf, according to adduser manual
[11:00] <seb128> tracking
[11:01] <Deft_u> lamont, gnome-applets is one, ubuntu uses a different source package by the look of things, or else compiles out wireless-applet; I haven't found where Network manager itself is yet
[11:01] <lamont> ah, probably a 2.6->2.8 shift then... seb128???
[11:01] <seb128> lamont: what ?
[11:02] <lamont> do we have a 'network manager' in warty anywhere?
[11:02] <subterrific> mdz: i think i've almost got a patch for the ubuntu kernel that adds ALSA 1.0.6a and this new driver
[11:02] <Soko> How would I change the IRQ of the ipw2100 driver from IRQ 7 to IRQ 5?
[11:02] <seb128> lamont: gnome-system-tools
[11:02] <seb128> lamont: but that's in debian too
[11:02] <lamont> Deft_u: if it's part of gnome, I expect that we have it...  If it's something non-gnome that's build on top of gnome, then it might not be there...
[11:02] <sladen> giard: sudo apt-get install kernel-package linux-source ; cd /usr/src/linux*/ ; make-kpkg -rev giard1 kernel_image modules_image && sudo dpkg -i ../kernel-*giard1*.deb
[11:03] <Deft_u> lamont, hang on, I'll shut up for a few minutes
[11:06] <sladen> zomb: does it look like it's hotplug (or one of the modules that hotplug is loading) that is killing the machine?
[11:07] <jotun> Hey, how do you get nvidia's drivers to work in ubuntu?
[11:07] <robster> tomboy is fantastic
[11:07] <Deft_u> lamont, ah, I see, it's all in the netapplet source package in sid, I was getting mixed up there
[11:08] <jotun> the drivers in the ubuntu depo are not official?
[11:09] <Deft_u> jotun, how official do you want?
[11:09] <jotun> I just want real opengl acceleration
[11:09] <_axel> anyone else getting totem totally dysfunctional and crashing on exit after install?
[11:10] <jotun> I installed the ones in the depo, changed the driver to "nvidia" made sure it was modprobed, and started X and X says nvidia doesn't exist, even though lsmod says it's there
[11:10] <_axel> on startup i mean
[11:10] <Deft_u> then you need linux-restricted-modules-xxx and nvidia-glx
[11:11] <jotun> Deft_u: ok, thanks
[11:12] <sladen> mdz: re: #1291  would read/write for the first user and read-only for others make sense (NTFS is a different issue, since theoretically that is a secure FS)
[11:15] <stragier> It seems my printer doesn't print in full page. It'a canon i560
[11:15] <stragier> i uses BJC800 dirver
[11:16] <jsubl2> stragier, http://linuxprinting.org
[11:17] <sivang> mdz,lamont : i am going now, night
[11:17] <mdz> sivang: night
[11:17] <mdz> sebtgreat
[11:17] <mdz> subterrific: great
[11:17] <mdz> sladen: sounds reasonable to me; that's more or less what I think I said in the bug
[11:17] <elmaya> ok my audio now works with alsa output in xmms, but totem and rhytmbox keep sayin there's no /dev/dsp ???
[11:17] <_axel> hmm, what would be the correct uri to connect to a remote cups queue called 'hp3550' on a host called cps? it used to be autodetected by cups web interface but now i cant sort it out with gnome-cups-manager, i tried http://cps:631/printers/hp3550 but it doesnt work
[11:18] <Qerub> _axel: It might be ipp://
[11:20] <Soko> Time to file a bug. :-/
[11:21] <sladen> mdz: (personally I'd be happy with read/write for everyone, on the basis that;  if they were running Windows, that would be the case anyway)
[11:23] <netdur> sound controler... (near clock) doesn't work
[11:23] <|Gaaruto_|> how to eject my cdrom please, it dont work !
[11:24] <netdur> computer -> disks -> righ click on cdrom -> eject
[11:25] <netdur> or on commande line promte "eject cdrom"
[11:25] <hermes88> does anyone here know how I would go about setting up sound?
[11:26] <netdur> from appalication -> mulitmedia -> sound... 
[11:26] <netdur> try it all
[11:26] <UziMonkey> hermes88: it's probably already set up, check your mixer levels, something critical might be muted
[11:27] <netdur> but the one near clock doesn't work
[11:27] <hermes88> ok, i'm looking through the settings
[11:27] <hermes88> ubuntu comes with native mp3 support, right?
[11:27] <netdur> no
[11:27] <hermes88> ooh..
[11:28] <hermes88> my computer is so sketchy with audio CDs
[11:29] <netdur> use ogg insteac... there is tools to convert audio to ogg
[11:29] <hermes88> alright, I got sound up and working
[11:29] <UziMonkey> hermes88: just rip them, that's what I do :P
[11:29] <hermes88> now..  how would I get mp3 support?
[11:29] <hermes88> because I have 15 gigs of mp3s on my Windows partition
[11:30] <netdur> download xmms
[11:30] <Deft_u> hermes88, do you want to be able to use rhythmbox?
[11:30] <hermes88> I usually just use xmms
[11:30] <hermes88> apt-get install xmms?
[11:31] <hermes88> is that the correct syntax?
[11:31] <Deft_u> yes, or just use synaptic for simplicity
[11:31] <netdur> but i'm noy sure about mp3 support
[11:31] <hermes88> hm.. searching with Synaptic didn't come up with any results
[11:32] <netdur> just try xmms.org
[11:32] <Deft_u> do you have the universe repository loaded?
[11:32] <hermes88> nope
[11:32] <Deft_u> then:
[11:32] <hermes88> all I have are the default repositories
[11:32] <Deft_u> in synaptic, go to Preferences / Repositories
[11:32] <hermes88> yep, already there
[11:33] <Deft_u> untick the 2nd (main restricted), tick the 4th (main restricted universe)
[11:33] <hermes88> ok
[11:33] <Deft_u> I think those numbers are right anyway, it must be deb, not deb-src
[11:33] <matt_> hermes88: have you mounted your windows drive already?
[11:33] <Deft_u> then hit reload
[11:33] <Deft_u> uh, refresh
[11:34] <hermes88> ok
[11:34] <hermes88> matt_ no, I haven't mounted it yet
[11:34] <Deft_u> when that's done, you should have xmms in the list
[11:34] <hermes88> matt_ I havent gotten around to editing fstab yet
[11:34] <matt_> hermes88: personally I've been using rhythmbox and it works great with ubuntu so far.. maybe it's just the version number or something
[11:34] <hermes88> might as well do that now, while i'm waiting for synaptic
[11:34] <matt_> hermed88: do yuo need help with that? I just did the exact same thing last night
[11:35] <netdur> "Please let us know if Mono is important to you" guys I want mono
[11:35] <Deft_u> xmms-mad is the plugin you definitely need for mp3
[11:35] <hermes88> matt_ sure, that would be great!
[11:35] <matt_> hermes88: alright, is your partition fat32?
[11:36] <hermes88> matt_: ntfs
[11:36] <hermes88> matt_: do I need a patch or something for the kernel to read ntfs?
[11:36] <matt_> hermes88: so you just want to be able to read from the drive then eh? Mine was ntfs as well, so I converted it using partition magic.. I wanted read/write access
[11:37] <matt_> hermes88: It should already be enabled I think..
[11:37] <hermes88> matt_: if only my partition magic worked...  it stopped working after I installed Ubuntu
[11:38] <matt_> hermes88
[11:38] <matt_> errr..
[11:38] <netdur> I think you guys should make a script that detect partitions and mount it every boot up
[11:38] <hermes88> matt_: Ubuntu must have done something stupid to my partition table and messed up Partition Magic
[11:39] <matt_> hermes88: seriously eh? Have you tried re-installing? Mine wasn't messed up. Do you have PM8?
[11:39] <hermes88> matt_: yes
[11:40] <hermes88> matt_: how's this look?  /dev/hdc1	/mnt/c		auto	user		0	0
[11:40] <matt_> hermes88: unfortunately I can't help you much there then.. no idea on that one.  I can help with the fstab though
[11:40] <ToothAway> I did an apt-get upgrade and now I'm not real happy with how I right click on desktop and no options to create appropriate files with open office...how can I restore such features or should I just do a new install?
[11:41] <hermes88> matt_: /dev/hdc1	/mnt/c		auto	user		0	0
[11:41] <hermes88> how does that look?
[11:41] <hermes88> I only need read access for non-root
[11:41] <matt_> hermes88: well, if it's ntfs you'll need something like /dev/hdc1 /mnt/c ntfs noauto,umask=022,user 0 0
[11:41] <Deft_u> hermes88, /mnt isn't the "correct" place to do that sort of thing, I don't know whether you care about that...
[11:42] <matt_> mine is umask=000 for write as well..
[11:42] <hermes88> wouldn't "noauto" force me to manually mount the drive each time?
[11:42] <hermes88> Deft_u where should I mount my windows partition then?
[11:43] <matt_> hermes88: actually not too sure there lol.. I don't think so though, I don't seem to have to.
[11:43] <Deft_u> wherever seems appropriate, /home/windows or something if you like; /mnt is supposed to be just for temporary mounts
[11:43] <Zomb> sladen: something like that. I took the -smp version now, no changes.
[11:43] <tory> does anybody know how to get gtk2 emacs in ubuntu?
[11:43] <matt_> Deft_u: do you know if noauto means you'll have to manual mount each time?
[11:44] <Deft_u> it does
[11:44] <hermes88> Deft_u: ok, that's just how I've always mounted my windows partition under Cobind Linux
[11:44] <sladen> matt_: correct
[11:44] <Deft_u> you only really need it for removable things
[11:44] <matt_> ahh thx so i should just get rid of that then if I want it automatic eh?
[11:44] <hermes88> alright, I think I've got fstab set up properly
[11:44] <Deft_u> yes, mount-a is run at startup, that looks for all non noautos
[11:45] <Deft_u> * mount -a
[11:45] <hermes88> matt_ and deft_u..  thanks so much, you guys are really helpful
[11:45] <matt_> hermes88: no worries.. sorry I'm a bit of a noob still i guess lol =D
[11:46] <hermes88> another question I have...  my mouse is behaving strangely under Ubuntu (I'm assuming because of Gnome 2.8)
[11:46] <matt_> I'll be back. Just changed my mount point from /mnt/winxp to /home/matt/winxp lol
[11:46] <hermes88> for example, if I right-click the desktop and select "Open Terminal", two terminals will start up instead of one
[11:46] <subterrific> ToothAway: i'm guessing you have to reconfigure the OO.org package
[11:47] <subterrific> i'm very new to debian though, so i'm not the best person to be giving advise
[11:47] <subterrific> just no one else answered your question...
[11:47] <ToothAway> Perhaps they think I'm away.
[11:48] <hermes88> anyone have ideas about my mouse problem?
[11:49] <seb128> Toothpick: what's the problem ?
[11:49] <tory> hermes88: lower the sensitivity?
[11:49] <Toothpick> hermes88: my mouse was flying too.
[11:50] <hermes88> no, my mouse isn't flying
[11:50] <Toothpick> seb128: I probably shouldn't have done the apt-get upgrade after adding the debian sid source to my sources.list
[11:50] <Toothpick> It messed up the open office links in gnome.
[11:50] <hermes88> it's that Gnome seems to be interpreting my clicks as double-clicks sometimes
[11:50] <hermes88> if I click "Create new folder", two will be created
[11:50] <hermes88> etc.
[11:50] <seb128> Toothpick: oh, the ability to open files in GNOME with openoffice ?
[11:50] <Chriffer> I think I've heard of someone else havinc that problem
[11:51] <Chriffer> I have some weird problems with dragging with my touchpad
[11:51] <Toothpick> no iirc when I right clicked on the desktop it had an icon to start a text file
[11:51] <Toothpick> or spreadsheet etc.
[11:51] <matt_> ahh that's better
[11:52] <schweeb> hrm
[11:52] <seb128> Toothpick: the templates submenu ?
[11:52] <seb128> Toothpick: that uses ~/Templates
[11:52] <Toothpick> yes
[11:52] <schweeb> I don't have openoffice doc templates in mine...
[11:53] <hermes88> so.. no one else have problems with the mouse like mine??
[11:53] <seb128> Toothpick: you have templates in ~/Templates ?
[11:53] <matt_> that's strange hermes88
[11:54] <hermes88> matt_ yeah.  I've never had this happen in any other distro before, I think it's a gnome problem
[11:54] <matt_> Maybe try changing your XF86config? like the driver for the mouse...
[11:54] <hermes88> i'll give it a shot
[11:54] <matt_> I dunno, I think most people are running gnome here
[11:54] <WareHajime> Sorry to bother again but does anyone know where to find the kernel sources directory? I am trying to install the latest ATI drivers.
[11:54] <matt_> That would be annoying though
[11:55] <hermes88> i'll switch a different mouse later and see if that's the problem
[11:55] <matt_> Yeah, that's a good idea. Is it usb or ps2?
[11:55] <hermes88> usb
[11:56] <matt_> hmm alright. Yeah that's a strange one for sure
[11:56] <hermes88> in XD86Config, the mouse protocol is set to "ImPS/2"
[11:57] <hermes88> should I change that?
[11:57] <tory> no
[11:57] <matt_> nope.. mine is set to that as well
[11:57] <matt_> is it /dev/input/mice?
[11:57] <hermes88> yes
[11:57] <matt_> how many buttons does your mouse have?
[11:57] <sidnexs> im wondering why there is no makefile with the kernel sources... is that normal?
[11:58] <sidnexs> i can build something... it needs that (i guess)
[11:58] <sidnexs> cant*
[11:58] <hermes88> it's a 5 button A4Tech mouse
[11:58] <hermes88> 2 scroll wheels
[11:58] <WareHajime> I am trying to find the kernel sources directory but then again if there is no make file I am in the same boat as you
[11:59] <subterrific> sidnexs: you installed the kernel-sources package?
[11:59] <sidnexs> im trying to build the ndiswrapper
[11:59] <sidnexs> yeah
[11:59] <matt_> Ahh well maybe it's something to do with the 2 scroll wheels..
[11:59] <subterrific> oh, you might want the kernel-headers package instead
[11:59] <matt_> I have no idea though, sorry.
[11:59] <sidnexs> i think i have the headers, maybe i dont have the sources
[11:59] <hermes88> no problemm, i'll try and figure it out
[12:00] <sidnexs> but the headers *are* there... i believe