[12:00] <subterrific> sidnexs: well the sources definitely have a makefile
[12:00] <sidnexs> ok
[12:00] <sidnexs> i'll check it out
[12:00] <sidnexs> thanks a lot
[12:00] <subterrific> but the headers are fully configured for building modules outside the tree
[12:00] <sidnexs> well its calling 'make modules' i think
[12:01] <sidnexs> but then i get "no rule for making 'modules'" or something similar to that
[12:01] <tory> http://img33.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img33&image=emblem.png why do the emblems overlap stuff with industrial?
[12:01] <tory> stuff = text
[12:01] <sidnexs> but i'll get the kernel sources and try again
[12:01] <sidnexs> thanks subterrific
[12:02] <seth_slackware> why does ubuntu disabled the root user ?
[12:03] <eazel7> hi
[12:04] <sidnexs> subterrific, i got one more question.. i cant get online because only wireless here and so i cant use synaptic to get the sources... are they on the cd or do i need to get them from http://archive.ubuntu.com?
[12:04] <sidnexs> so im on windows right now downloading stuff
[12:04] <eazel7> I wonder if you have a release date for the next stable with gnome 2.8
[12:04] <seth_slackware> can you enable the root acount?
[12:04] <subterrific> seth_slackware: i imagine its to protect the user and have the system be more secure
[12:04] <sidnexs> seth_slakware, sudo passwd
[12:04] <seth_slackware> ok
[12:04] <subterrific> seth_slackware: yes, but why would you want to?
[12:05] <seth_slackware> i am just wondoring
[12:05] <seth_slackware> i have not installed ubunto yet
[12:05] <JonM> hello - looking to jump into Linux - thought I'd start with ubuntu - have a machine running W2K - I cannot remove it (has data/programs business needs) - has a lot of space though - can anyone please point me in the direction of something that can repartition (?) the machine so that I can run the ubuntu installer without overwriting everything?
[12:05] <subterrific> sidnexs: some packages are on the cd
[12:05] <sidnexs> ok
[12:05] <sladen> siretart: archive.ubuntu.com
[12:06] <matt_> jonM: Get partition magic and shorten your w2k drive.. leaving enough room for ubuntu
[12:06] <JonM> ok thx - is that commercial product?
[12:07] <matt_> jonM: Yes.. I'm sure there are non-commercial products out there that would do the same thing though
[12:07] <seth_slackware>  partition magic = commercial
[12:07] <JonM> right ok
[12:07] <Toothpick> JonM: I've used kanotix to repartition without data loss.
[12:07] <Toothpick> I believe it uses qtparted
[12:07] <JonM> thanks Toothpick
[12:07] <schweeb> there's a GPLed utility out there I think
[12:07] <schweeb> lemme google real quick
[12:07] <matt_> basically though, you just need to shorten your drive and leave unused space at the end of it..
[12:08] <subterrific> parted is GNU software that does it, but i'm not sure it can deal with ntfs partitions
[12:08] <clee> subterrific: the latest versions can
[12:08] <clee> they can nondestructively resize it
[12:08] <JonM> yeah thanks matt_ - I figured I'd need to do something like that - now I'll see if I can find the tools to do it, and then I'm gonna start using Linux!
[12:08] <clee> they are teh neat
[12:08] <subterrific> awesome
[12:09] <JonM> excellent: parted / kanotix / parti.magic
[12:09] <schweeb> don't use parted from ubuntu
[12:09] <matt_> jonM: Then in the ubuntu installer you have a choice of erasing the whole drive or manually doing things. Obviously you want manual.. which really isn't manual afterall. You just select the unused space (it is very apparent) and let it partition automatically.
[12:09] <Toothpick> ntfsresize 
[12:09] <schweeb> it says specifically in the pkg description it can't resize ntfs
[12:10] <matt_> jonM: no problems.. I bet you'll be pleasantly surprised with ubuntu, I know I was.. and this is coming from gentoo linux
[12:10] <subterrific> yeah, you'd need to find a knoppix boot cd or something that has a more recent version of parted that can deal with ntfs
[12:10] <JonM> I'm really a bit overwhelmed with all the linuxes - there are too many.  Debian keeps cropping up, so does something called knoppix and then fedora....I dunno which one to take
[12:11] <schweeb> there's something called "sysresccd" that might have a util to resize
[12:11] <schweeb> well, ubuntu and knoppix are both based on debian
[12:11] <subterrific> JonM: stay away from fedora
[12:11] <matt_> well, ubuntu has an extremely straight-forward install
[12:11] <matt_> yes, stay away from fedora. So many problems there
[12:11] <JonM> and debian?
[12:12] <matt_> jonM: they're not different "linuxes".. just different distrobutions. Cause it's all linux..
[12:12] <JonM> yeah, and then there's this thing about latest kernel that does threads better for Java....
[12:12] <SystemX_> actually it's all GNU/Linux
[12:12] <SystemX_> linux is just the kernel :)
[12:12] <matt_> Well, ubuntu is very much like debian.. but I personally like it alot better.
[12:13] <matt_> lol
[12:13] <keifer> hey SystemX_!
[12:13] <Toothpick> JonM if you are looking for a live cd...I'd recommend using Kanotix...if you want a hdinstall of a debian based distro then I'd use something like ubuntu or morphix
[12:13] <housetier> #distrowar ;)
[12:13] <SystemX_> isn't ubuntu just Debian Unstable, Sid?
[12:13] <schweeb> oh no, it's a GNUbot
[12:13] <schweeb> :p
[12:13] <SystemX_> keifer, hey buddy
[12:13] <bskahan> SystemX_: no, check ubuntu.com
[12:13] <Toothpick> JonM if you are looking for a live cd...I'd recommend using Kanotix...if you want a hdinstall of a debian based distro then I'd use something like ubuntu or morphix
[12:13] <bskahan> or maybe org
[12:13] <SystemX_> i have
[12:13] <JonM> thanks Toothpick
[12:13] <keifer> ubuntulinux.org
[12:13] <Toothpick> .ljhguyunhbhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[12:13] <keifer> lol
[12:14] <schweeb> ubuntu is derived directly from sid
[12:14] <bskahan> SystemX_: http://www.netsplit.com/blog/work/canonical/ubuntu_and_debian.html
[12:14] <Toothpick> schweeb as is kanotix
[12:14] <schweeb> never heard of kanotix
[12:14] <sladen> Toothpick: out of interest, what are the best features of Kanotix that are making you recommend it?  (I've not come across it yet)
[12:14] <SystemX_> i have used other debian unstable distro's and it doesn't seem that much different to me. Except for bug fixes and patches they have inserted
[12:15] <matt_> Hey, was I the only one that actually had to add some apt-get servers into my source.list and then install gdm and gnome before I could get x going?
[12:15] <SystemX_> none the less, it's a good distro...
[12:15] <Toothpick> sladen: hdinstall is really nice as kano fixed many of the hdinstall problems of knoppix.
[12:15] <sladen> matt_: urm?
[12:15] <matt_> Like apparently the installer is supposed to do this but.. yeah I had to figure that out myself. i mean, luckily I understood enough to figure that out
[12:15] <sladen> matt_: which distribution is this?
[12:15] <matt_> sladen: seriously.. actually, come to think of it I just uncommented 2 of the servers
[12:16] <matt_> ubuntu
[12:16] <schweeb> basically, it's a debian sid snapshot, stabilized, rebuilt, and some updated packages (gnome 2.8)
[12:16] <matt_> weird hey? Everything is perfect now but.. I installed it twice just to make sure
[12:16] <Toothpick> http://kanotix.com/files/kanotix/
[12:16] <JonM> right, so things like ntfsresize are linux programs.  So I need a different linux distro that can reboot from CD before I can even use them.  Duh :-(
[12:16] <SystemX_> keifer, have you tried Ubuntu yet?
[12:16] <keifer> That's what I'm on know
[12:16] <keifer> *now
[12:16] <SystemX_> kool
[12:16] <michel_v> hello
[12:16] <matt_> like, after you first log in it's supposed to take you directly to gdm.. but mine didn't. Then I realized I didn't even have gdm OR gnome installed
[12:16] <SystemX_> what you think
[12:17] <matt_> but everything else was there..
[12:17] <michel_v> is it possible to boot ubuntu's iso from grub?
[12:17] <schweeb> yes
[12:17] <keifer> I like it - it's as fast as gentoo was for me. (roughly). that might just be a phsycological thing though. :)
[12:17] <michel_v> how would I go about it? any howto somewhere? :)
[12:17] <matt_> keifer: Did you come from gentoo as well?
[12:17] <mdz> matt_: the entire desktop set is installed by default
[12:17] <matt_> mdz: it wasn't for me.. i swear
[12:18] <mdz> matt_: the only time you don't get that stuff is if you request a custom install
[12:18] <schweeb> michel_v: look in the grub howto... you got a sys that won't cd boot or somethin?
[12:18] <keifer> matt_: I've used gentoo, fedora-ppc, yellowdog, mandrake...
[12:18] <mdz> matt_: did you do a custom install?
[12:18] <SystemX_> keifer, yes i like it to, especially after i repleaced the kernel w/ 2.6.9rc2
[12:18] <SystemX_> replaced*
[12:18] <matt_> mdz: maybe it was some sort of netork problem, who knows.. but I'm not making this up.. and no, I didn't custom install
[12:18] <JonM> ok,well thanks guys - I guess I'll have to try again next week - cheerio
[12:18] <keifer> I don't have sound, but that's normal for me. :P
[12:18] <matt_> some sort of bug? I dunno..
[12:18] <mdz> matt_: then send a copy of /var/log/base-config.log to ubuntu-users
[12:18] <keifer|gdm> bbl
[12:19] <OrangeSlice> zomg I can leave now.  have fun lowe.
[12:19] <matt_> mdz: will the problem still be there? I've been happily running ubuntu for 2 days now.
[12:19] <michel_v> schweeb: nah, I got the iso but my flatmate with the cd burner is AWOL for the weekend :p
[12:19] <mdz> matt_: yes
[12:19] <matt_> mdz: ok thx, I'll look into it in a sec
[12:19] <schweeb> michel_v: ah... I dunno if it can boot the ISO
[12:19] <Lowe> uhm i need some help, for some reason i can't connect to the internet >_>
[12:19] <mdz> matt_: if there was any network problem, it would have shown you a dialog indicating that an error occurred, and giving you the chance to retry
[12:19] <schweeb> michel_v: it can boot CD's though
[12:20] <matt_> mdz: ok well that didn't happen. So strange cause everything else seemed to be there.. except like I said, gdm and gnome. Too weird
[12:20] <Lowe> Does ubuntu have some problem with DHCP or something
[12:20] <schweeb> michel_v: sorry, though you asked about the CD, heh
[12:20] <SystemX_> dhcp works for me
[12:20] <schweeb> Lowe: I had problems
[12:20] <matt_> naw, works perfectly for me too
[12:20] <schweeb> resolv.conf
[12:21] <Toothpick> also sladen I edited the background for kanotix ;)
[12:21] <schweeb> doesn't get updated correctly with dhclient3
[12:21] <Lowe> ah i see
[12:21] <schweeb> try apt-get install dhclient
[12:21] <SurcouF> dhcp3-client
[12:21] <schweeb> not 3
[12:21] <schweeb> 3 is the flawed one
[12:22] <schweeb> IME
[12:22] <sladen> matt_: what's in the base-config.log ?
[12:22] <Lowe> What and that will fix it schweeb?
[12:22] <schweeb> dhcp-client
[12:22] <matt_> sladen: looking at it right now..
[12:22] <schweeb> is the real package name
[12:22] <schweeb> something's broke in the dhclient-script for dhcp3-client or something
[12:23] <Lowe> how gay
[12:23] <Lowe> I had to actually log into windows just to get help -_-
[12:23] <schweeb> heh
[12:23] <schweeb> I don't have windows installed anymore
[12:23] <Lowe> I keep it for emergencys just like this
[12:23] <schweeb> I just grabbed the nameservers from my leases file, and whipped up a resolv.conf by hand
[12:24] <seth_slackware> anyone need a gmail acount?
[12:24] <Lowe> so it's really just that resolv.conf file?
[12:26] <schweeb> yes
[12:26] <matt_> hmmm well, what to look for? I see no errors, but then again I see no reference of gnome or gdm being installed.
[12:26] <SurcouF> We are gmail. Resistance is futile. You'll be invited.
[12:27] <Toothpick> I'll use gmail when the time comes.
[12:27] <Lowe> i have to many gmail accounts
[12:27] <matt_> lol what does that mean toothpick?
[12:27] <Toothpick> matt_: when I get an account ;)
[12:27] <matt_> I can't seem to get rid of my hotmail account, sucks...
[12:28] <Toothpick> my blog was so inactive I guess I never got invited.
[12:28] <matt_> Toothpick: Oh.. haha.. ok
[12:28] <seth_slackware> if you need one post your e-mail
[12:28] <matt_> I got an invite right in the beginning
[12:28] <Lowe> brb
[12:28] <Toothpick> I have an email.com account which is now mail.com bionictoothpick@email.com
[12:28] <SystemX_> i use to use mail.com
[12:29] <Toothpick> not very good, but I liked my nick ;)
[12:29] <SystemX_> i have a couple invites if anyone is looking for a gmail account
[12:29] <SystemX_> yea, i think the killed my account there because i haden't used it in a while
[12:29] <SystemX_> kinda like what hotmail/msn did
[12:30] <seth_slackware> gmail is great
[12:30] <SystemX_> hotmail use to be great before ms got it...
[12:30] <SystemX_> yea, i really like gmail... not only is there tons of space, but the whole setup is really sweet
[12:31] <seth_slackware> ya
[12:31] <sladen> matt_: can you send it to  ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com  along with a desciption of what you had to do to get things working
[12:31] <sladen> matt_: it == the install log
[12:32] <_matt> oi .. i'm matt
[12:32] <_matt> :S
[12:32] <_matt> ...
[12:32] <matt_> oooh hermes88
[12:32] <matt_> pft
[12:33] <sladen> Could the real  m a t t underscore  please step forward
[12:34] <matt_> i am the real me
[12:34] <matt_> i have has this nick for ages
[12:34] <matt88> hermes88
[12:34] <matt_> that guy can use _matt if he wants
[12:34] <matt_> my other nick
[12:34] <matt88> errr hermes88: you still ehre?
[12:34] <matt88> Lol matt_ you kicked me off =D
[12:34] <matt_> er.. yea
[12:34] <sladen> matt_/matt88: did you get the two messages above?  
[12:35] <matt88> sladen: nope
[12:35] <matt88> hermes88: figured out your mouse problem dude
[12:35] <matt88> ahh he's not here
[12:36] <sladen> matt88: <sladen > matt_: can you send the install log to  ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com  along with a desciption of what you had to do to get things working
[12:37] <matt88> sladen: sure. Do I just send an email to  ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com?
[12:37] <matt88> sladen: I hope it wasn't me just being an idiot.. but I really doubt it. It's supposed to automatically take you to gdm right?
[12:39] <matt88> actually I think I'll change to matt2 haha
[12:39] <matt88> brb
[12:39] <matt2> That's better
[12:39] <matt_> 0.o
[12:39] <matt_> you can change to _matt if you want
[12:39] <Chriffer> hey matt, I may have had a similar problem, I went back at the grub install step, and then went through the menu
[12:39] <matt2> it's almost like matthew
[12:39] <sladen> matt88: yes it should automatically take you to GDM and a beautiful GNOME experience.  If that hasn't happened in your case, it would be good to track down why
[12:40] <sladen> matt88: to see the replies, you may want to signup too:  http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
[12:40] <Chriffer> then my grub and UBuntu art seemed to be not installed right
[12:40] <matt2> Chriffer, alright.. well at least it wasn't just me
[12:40] <Chriffer> I wasnt sure if my problem was bad media
[12:40] <Chriffer> so I didnt repert it
[12:40] <matt2> sladen: I'm signed up.. just signed up earlier today
[12:40] <Chriffer> I just used apt-get to install ubuntu-artwork then gdm and it all was fine
[12:41] <matt2> yeah, possibly mine was bad media as well.. 
[12:41] <Chriffer> I dont think it was
[12:41] <matt2> Chriffer: I used apt-get to install gdm and gnome and all was good
[12:41] <sladen> Chriffer: anything missing in the install-log;  it should have complained
[12:41] <matt2> but I had to uncomment 2 of the servers first
[12:41] <sladen> matt2: in /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:41] <matt2> sladen: yes
[12:42] <jdub> hey gang
[12:42] <matt2> sladen: It WOULD be good to track down why..
[12:42] <mdz> Chriffer, matt2: one of you please file a bug in bugzilla, and the other add yourself to the CC
[12:42] <seb128> hello jdub 
[12:43] <matt2> mdz: should I file a bug in bugzilla or send an email to the user list?
[12:43] <seb128> jdub: totem 0.99.16, rhythmbox 0.8.6 and gtk+2.4.10 out ... are we interested by one of them ?
[12:43] <Chriffer> I'm filling out the bugzilla report now
[12:44] <matt2> ahh so I should leave it then?? My problem is slight different in that I needed gdm and gnome but.. I'm sure it's the same problem
[12:44] <jdub> seb128: if you can file bugs for matt and i mentioning the bugfixes they include, that would be great
[12:44] <seb128> jdub: ok
[12:45] <matt2> ahh.. sorry guys, I've never filed a bug before.. though I really want to start helping with ubuntu eventually
[12:46] <sladen> matt2: it'll want your install-log, can you attach it to the bug when Chriffer has created it
[12:47] <matt2> sladen: sure thing. Where do I look for bugzilla? is there a link in the wiki?
[12:47] <sladen> matt2: along with anything "special" you might have done during installation--eg. going Back, doing a custom install etc.
[12:47] <sladen> matt2: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[12:47] <sladen> matt2: it's in the /topic
[12:48] <matt2> sladen: my bad. Thanks
[12:48] <Toothpick> Thanks for the gmail account seth.
[12:48] <Chriffer> Where would this install log be exactly?
[12:48] <matt2> sladen: ok I did nothing special.. except at the end where I uncommented the servers and apt-get installed gdm and gnome
[12:49] <sladen> Chriffer: /var/log/base-config.log
[12:49] <sladen> matt2: so, you went through the install, did it reboot?
[12:51] <mdz> matt2,Chriffer: it sounds like you had the same problem, or at least related ones.  unless you do something special, you should _always_ get the same set of packages installed
[12:51] <matt2> sladen: It did reboot after stage 1
[12:51] <mdz> the pre-reboot (stage 1) logs are in /var/log/debian-installer
[12:51] <mdz> the post-reboot log is /var/log/base-config.log
[12:52] <Toothpick> gotta reboot and see if I can get firefox working with java so my wife can play pogo...a list of possible login names would be nice on that ubuntu startup screen as well.
[12:52] <matt2> mdz: what could I have done special? I didn't custom install.. the only thing I did was partition myself.. since I've got winxp on my first partition (just in case some noob needs to use my comp)
[12:53] <matt2> mdz: is gdm and gnome installed in stage1 or stage2?
[12:53] <mdz> matt2: stage 2
[12:53] <Chriffer> I did the grub setup by hand
[12:53] <matt2> mdz: ok, that's what I thought.
[12:53] <Chriffer> I actually entered it at the grub command line
[12:53] <Chriffer> for the first boot atleast
[12:53] <mdz> Chriffer: grub wasn't installed automatically?
[12:54] <matt2> well, I installed twice and got the exact same problem
[12:54] <Chriffer> I didnt want to lose my bootloader
[12:54] <matt2> that's when I decided to take it in my hands and the fix was simple..
[12:54] <sladen> matt2: are you able to md5sum the CD image you used?
[12:54] <matt2> Chriffer: you filed that yet?
[12:54] <Chriffer> not yet
[12:54] <matt2> sladen: how would I do that in linux? 
[12:55] <matt2> sladen: I've got my windows partition mounted with the iso sitting there
[12:55] <sladen> matt2: sudo md5sum /dev/hdc
[12:55] <matt_> md5sun ./file
[12:55] <matt2> alright, hold on a sec
[12:55] <sladen> matt2: it would be better to do it on the actual CD, since although the ISO maybe correct, you want to ensure the CD has burnt correctly
[12:56] <matt2> sladen: good call, will do
[12:59] <Chriffer> Is there a particular way I should get these files attached to the bug report, nothing seems obvious
[12:59] <matt2> error processing /dev/hdc: failed in buffer_read(fd): mdfile: Input/output error
[12:59] <matt2> is that a failure??
[01:00] <mdz> Chriffer: there is a 'create a new attachment' hyperlink
[01:00] <mdz> Chriffer: after you have submitted the initial bug report
[01:01] <Chriffer> ahh ok
[01:02] <sladen> matt2: looks like it.  Can you try with another CD that you know is good
[01:02] <matt2> sure, cause it did take it's time before coming to that conclusion. I dunno, maybe it's because I used bit torrent to download the image?
[01:03] <neighborlee> is mplayer to be added soon to ubuntu ?...this whole mplayer thing is a huge pita but then so is having to deal with java/flash and mozplugger ;-)....are these things on the todo list anyone know ? ;-))))))
[01:05] <mdz> neighborlee: there will be more information about that soon
[01:05] <jesse_132> is x2x broken in ubuntu
[01:05] <matt2> Ooh, i've also got a question regarding packages: How soon would we see something like gaim 1.0.0 available, for example? 
[01:05] <neighborlee> mdz, okie thanks
[01:06] <maswan> Let me just state that as a mirror admin, I'm fine with redistributing mplayer. :)
[01:06] <schweeb> neighborlee: do you have the marillat apt sources?
[01:06] <schweeb> I just used marillat
[01:06] <schweeb> has w32codecs, mplayer, etc...
[01:07] <matt2> hmm marillat eh?
[01:07] <neighborlee> schweeb, I do
[01:07] <matt2> sladen: Other cd checked out. Arg sorry about all the confusion..
[01:07] <neighborlee> schweeb, well I tried downoading the mplayer stuff but quickly learned thats not sufficient .that adding the 'source' and doing apt-get clearly is needed LOL
[01:07] <matt2> sladen: must be the issue..
[01:07] <neighborlee> schweeb, too many depends to deal with ..ha
[01:08] <matt2> neighborlee: is there a source you can add to get mplayer?
[01:08] <neighborlee> yes
[01:08] <neighborlee> matt2: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/
[01:08] <jdub> matt2: so it works like this;
[01:08] <sladen> Chriffer: are you able to try checking the CD you installed from?
[01:08] <neighborlee> i've n ot done it yet but thats the ftp addy where they are
[01:08] <jdub> matt2: we open a devel branch and all of sid flows into it
[01:09] <jdub> matt2: and we work on new features and so on
[01:09] <jdub> matt2: then we freeze, and take no new upstream versions
[01:09] <jdub> matt2: unless they fix bugs and whatnot
[01:09] <jdub> matt2: but we take small updates for fixes
[01:09] <sladen> matt2: okay, so it sounds like if a package fails it is being silently skipped?
[01:09] <jdub> matt2: *except* for GNOME, because we track its releases
[01:09] <jdub> matt2: and as it happens, we consider gaim as part of our desktop goal
[01:09] <matt2> jdub: cool, thx. Are these sources in the source.list?
[01:10] <Chriffer> The CD was fine for a previous install, but I'll check it to make sure
[01:10] <matt2> jdub: awesome, good to hear, thanks for all the information
[01:10] <jdub> matt2: so we'll be getting gaim 1.0 before WartyWarthog final release because it contains bug fixes
[01:10] <matt2> sladen: yes, this appears to be happenening
[01:10] <jdub> matt2: there are no devel branch sources in sources.list because we have no devel branch yet
[01:10] <jdub> matt2: you will have to explicitly choose to upgrade to it when it opens
[01:10] <sladen> matt2: could you check the image you downloaded whilst we're at it:   md5sum /media/.../ubuntu-warty.iso
[01:10] <matt2> jdub: is that sometime in december? or was final in october?
[01:11] <jdub> final release is in october
[01:11] <maswan> jdub: what? you track gnome's releases? :P
[01:11] <jdub> wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog/ReleaseSchedule
[01:11] <matt2> sladen: of course, I used bit torrent remember.. so that might have something to do with it.
[01:11] <jdub> wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryHedgehog/ReleaseSchedule
[01:11] <schweeb> jdub: I have a question about that... I know you are providing bugfixes for main and such after release... but is there going to be a complete freeze on versions, even on major apps? i.e. if mozilla-firefox goes 1.0, is there a possibility of its inclusion into warty?
[01:11] <jdub> maswan: :-)
[01:11] <matt2> ahhh.. awesome
[01:12] <jdub> schweeb: mozilla-firefox will only be included in warty before Final because we'd decided to ahead of time (it's part of our desktop goal)
[01:12] <jdub> schweeb: there will not be any version upgrades after final
[01:12] <schweeb> okay
[01:12] <jdub> schweeb: and generally speaking, there are no version upgrades for everything !gnome after upstreamversionfreeze
[01:13] <schweeb> right
[01:13] <Mitario> hmm, only thing i have to do for hal to update my fstab is to make /etc/hal/device.d/fstab-update.sh executable right?
[01:13] <matt2> I'm still a little confused over all this since I come from gentoo.. lol so things are still fairly cutting edge it sounds
[01:14] <matt2> Does HAL actually work? Like if I plug in my camera it will detect it? I thought that was a ways away.. but then i read something about it in the gnome 2.8 release notes
[01:14] <Toothpick> jdub, do you think you'll have a working java with the next release? black**** something
[01:14] <Mitario> mattit should, but udev detects the cam, hal makes the mountpoint
[01:15] <Adonijah> jdub, the evolution bug you had me report upstream, is there a way to doc that somewhere so other ubuntu users will know upstream is taking care of it and it's a known prob?
[01:15] <Mitario> but since hald is called with --drop-privileges in ubuntu, it does not update my fstab :(
[01:15] <jdub> Adonijah: not yet, but there will be :)
[01:15] <jdub> Toothpick: there's a FAQ entry about this :)
[01:15] <matt2> but in order for this to work I need to make /etc/hal/device.d/fstab-update.sh executable?
[01:15] <schweeb> no
[01:15] <jdub> matt2: our project utopia support is second to none
[01:15] <jdub> matt2: no
[01:15] <jdub> matt2: we do it differently
[01:15] <schweeb> it should "just work"
[01:15] <schweeb> you guys use pmount, don't you?
[01:16] <bolivar> been running the default install the last couple days...going to reinstall with mini install option and install what i want from apt...i see the x-window-system-core package is the same...but i dont find a 'gnome-base' type of package...what should i use for gnome?
[01:16] <Toothpick> ok I'll start reading more ;)
[01:16] <Adonijah> jdub, fyi, contacts and evolution-alarm is broken on amd64 platform and according to upstream it's most likely a libdb threading problem
[01:16] <jdub> schweeb: yeah, pitti wrote
[01:16] <lowe> Hey, does ubuntu come with automake etc?
[01:16] <Mitario> jdub, hmm, what is the way that ubuntu does it then?
[01:16] <matt2> jdub: I plug in my camera.. nothing happens =( but that's to be expected with linux. Except ubuntu does have support for this, no?
[01:16] <schweeb> if you install it, lowe 
[01:16] <lowe> I don't see it on the disk
[01:16] <jdub> Mitario: we have a special program that does policy mounting, with pmount
[01:16] <schweeb> matt2: is it a usb-storage cam?
[01:16] <jdub> matt2: what kind of camera?
[01:16] <Mitario> does it detect + mount my other disks?
[01:16] <Adonijah> lowe, you can install it via apt-get
[01:16] <matt2> canon a75
[01:16] <jdub> lowe: it's available in supported
[01:17] <jdub> lowe: just install it :)
[01:17] <matt2> umm.. so that would be usb storage
[01:17] <jdub> matt2: is hald running atm?
[01:17] <lowe> I have never used apt-get (last distro was mandrake)
[01:17] <schweeb> matt2: are you sure it doesn't use PTP?
[01:17] <Adonijah> lowe, sudo apt-get install automake
[01:17] <matt2> jdub: no idea, is it running by default?
[01:17] <Adonijah> lowe, to find a package 'apt-cache search keyword'
[01:17] <Chriffer> My camera didnt do anything exciing when I plugged it in, but had to run gthumb
[01:17] <matt2> schweeb: nope, I really know nothing.. just got the camera the other day lol
[01:18] <Mitario> root@mithrandir /etc/hal/device.d # pmount /dev/hda1
[01:18] <Mitario> Error: device /dev/hda1 is not removable
[01:18] <Mitario> :(
[01:18] <schweeb> have you ever used it in linux?
[01:18] <matt2> schweeb: no, but I know it definitely works in linux, some people on the gentoo forums got it going for sure
[01:18] <schweeb> Mitario: your fstab should already be updated with hard drives
[01:18] <schweeb> at boot
[01:18] <Mitario> schweeb, hmm, it isn't here
[01:18] <Mitario> well yeah for the current / and swap partition
[01:19] <jdub> matt2: ps aux | grep hald
[01:19] <schweeb> for everything
[01:19] <Mitario> but i want to access my debian and windows partitions too
[01:19] <Mitario> it isn't here
[01:19] <Chriffer> matt2, did you try to just use gthumb from the graphics menu? it has an import feature in the menu that worked for my camera
[01:19] <matt2> jdub: tis running. Maybe I just have to install gthumb and open it?
[01:19] <jdub> Mitario: hrm, you don't really use pmount like that :)
[01:19] <Mitario> jdub, yeah, i figured :)
[01:19] <jdub> matt2: gthumb is installed
[01:19] <schweeb> Mitario: put up your fstab somewhere?
[01:19] <schweeb> er s/?//
[01:19] <matt2> Chriffer: Giving that a go now. 
[01:19] <jdub> matt2: load up the removeable devices thingy in desktop preferences
[01:19] <matt2> jdub: woops lol didn't see it there
[01:20] <jdub> matt2: see if it says anything for cameras
[01:20] <matt2> jdub: alright, I appreciate this help btw
[01:20] <schweeb> Mitario: is hda1 ntfs?
[01:20] <lowe> How come when i start root terminal it doesn't ask for a password? i thought it was supposed to.
[01:20] <Mitario> hda1 is vfat
[01:20] <Mitario> iirc lemme check
[01:20] <Adonijah> lowe, it remembers your password for a short period
[01:20] <lowe> oh i see
[01:21] <andred> jdub: I needed to add a .fdi thing for my IXUS 400 in /usr/share/hal/fdi/20freedesktop/ . Will that have to be done for all cameras an devices that should work with hotplugging?
[01:21] <schweeb> sudo puts a file in /tmp if you've used it recently
[01:21] <Lowe> Man Ubuntu sure is faster than mandrake
[01:21] <jdub> andred: no, only ones that are not already supported
[01:21] <jdub> andred: please add that as an attachment in a bug
[01:21] <Mitario> schweeb, ah, /dev/hda1 is my debian ext3 partition
[01:21] <Adonijah> Lowe, the 2.6 kernel, and 2.8 gnome are blazingly fast in comparison to anything I've used before
[01:22] <matt2> jdub: I actually don't have a removeable devices in desktop preferences.. uhh is something wrong?
[01:22] <Mitario> and i only have my ubuntu partition in fstab atm
[01:22] <andred> jdub, Yeah, I have added it in bugzilla. But there are really few .fdi files in that directory, like 4 of them. Are others built-in in some way?
[01:22] <jdub> matt2: how did you install?
[01:22] <Lowe> One of the main reasons i wanted to try ubuntu was becauseof gnome 2.8
[01:22] <Adonijah> my favourite thing about Ubuntu so far is how little I had to customise my system to get it to work just like I wanted, only took me about 15 minutes to get everything just as I wanted
[01:22] <jdub> andred: mmm, think so
[01:22] <schweeb> Mitario: actually, hal might only update for removable devs
[01:22] <sladen> Lowe: you shouldn'e need to start a root terminal.   Just type   sudo apt-get ...   as you would do normally, but with sudo in front
[01:22] <jdub> Adonijah: excellent, that's the best response we get :-) thanks
[01:22] <matt2> jdub: via cd.. but I DID have a problem since I had to manually install gdm and gnome. Turns out my image was bad.. but I didn't think there were any other problems
[01:22] <schweeb> Mitario: cause it looks like the entries in my fstab were generated by the installer
[01:23] <Lowe> yeah but for some reason i was getting password incorrect
[01:23] <Mitario> schweeb, by the installer or at boot time?
[01:23] <schweeb> by the installer
[01:23] <matt2> jdub: turns out there are though.. hmm maybe I should re-download the image and re-install arg
[01:23] <jdub> matt2: ahr. might be easier.
[01:23] <Mitario> hmm, i only have proc, swap, /, cdrom and floppy
[01:23] <jdub> matt2: just rsync against a current daily image.
[01:23] <Adonijah> jdub, it took a little longer to install all the development tools I use, but it was still pretty easy once I uncommented universal and restricted in apt sources.list ;)
[01:23] <Lowe> Btw in nautilus how do you make the url at the top, it's a pain in the arse browsing directorys now.
[01:23] <subterrific> Adonijah: same here, 15 minutes and i was printing excel and word docs from emails to the office printer. Windows couldn't even do that cause it took me hours to find the printer drivers online. ubuntu came with them
[01:23] <Mitario> and i have 8 - 10 other partitions spread around my 2 harddisks
[01:24] <sladen> schweeb: sudo updates the your time stamp on  /var/run/sudo/username  each time you use it
[01:24] <matt2> Chriffer: That worked! But I had to install gthumb first, stupid corrupt cd image.. arg
[01:24] <sladen> schweeb: you can remove the timestamp with  sudo -k
[01:24] <Adonijah> i used to have several distributions, but once I started using Ubuntu, I deleted everything but RHEL 3, which I need for work and Oracle
[01:24] <schweeb> sladen: I knew it was somethin like that
[01:24] <Adonijah> so now just Ubuntu and RHEL3 remain
[01:24] <matt2> jdub: how would I do that? Would that save me from downloading, reburning, and re-installing?
[01:24] <Mitario> brb, have to reboot, i have borked some things
[01:24] <Mitario> bb soon
[01:25] <matt2> jdub: btw my camera works, that's so awesome
[01:25] <jdub> ad	what did you need from universe?
[01:25] <Adonijah> Lowe, hit 'Control + L' i'm not aware of anyway to put URL at top
[01:26] <Adonijah> Lowe, short of turning off spatial mode in gconf
[01:26] <Adonijah> Lowe, err... Desktop Preferences -> File Management -> Behaviour -> 'Always open in browser windows' will turn off spatial too now apparently
[01:27] <Adonijah> jdub, what did I need from universe?
[01:27] <sladen> matt2: rsync -CvzapP --stats     *
[01:27] <sladen>       rsync://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[01:27] <sladen> gah
[01:27] <debian_> hey guys im trying to do apt-get install update, i edited out the lines it said, and added universe to the other lines, but when i run the update it keeps saying that some index files failed to download, they have been ignore or old ones used instead
[01:27] <matt2> sladen: the second line there?
[01:27] <Lowe> awesome thanks Adon
[01:27] <sladen> matt2: ignore it
[01:28] <matt2> ahh ok 
[01:28] <Toothpick> universe doesn't have crafty
[01:28] <Adonijah> mayonaise, probably just http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Sources failed to be fetched
[01:28] <Toothpick> jdub I just went through the faq and found nothing about java
[01:28] <Adonijah> mayonaise, at least that's the prob i've had for the last few days
[01:28] <mayonaise> adonijah, yes thats what is happening
[01:28] <mayonaise> so i cant get the updates
[01:29] <mayonaise> and i cant get totem-xine
[01:29] <sladen> matt2: rsync -CvzapP --stats rsync://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current/warty-i386.iso ./warty-i386.iso
[01:29] <mayonaise> or anything else i need for that matter
[01:29] <Adonijah> Toothpick, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387
[01:29] <mayonaise> adonijah, what do you suggest?
[01:29] <Adonijah> mayonaise, it shouldn't stop you from installing things
[01:29] <matt2> sladen: Thankyou!
[01:29] <mayonaise> yes, i cant get naything becuase it keeps saying that i should run apt-get update
[01:29] <psi> seb128: I just wanted to let you know that I've opened a bug regarding the /etc/gnome/defaults.list issue
[01:29] <matt2> sladen: I hope this adds everything I'm missing lol..
[01:30] <seb128> psi: ok, thanks
[01:30] <Adonijah> oops
[01:30] <Lowe> yeah it sayed that to me aswell, so i did apt-get update lol then it worked
[01:31] <Mitario> back
[01:32] <Adonijah> jdub, i needed anjuta, allegro, and a few other things from universe/restricted
[01:32] <Adonijah> jdub, most distributions include allegro in their base already along with sdl
[01:32] <Mayonaise> im just gonna do a new ftp install
[01:32] <Mitario> so i'll have to put my disks in fstab manually or is there some auto-generate app?
[01:32] <Mayonaise> and try over again
[01:32] <matt2> Mitario: my camera works now.. thanks. But um.. I'm missing a bunch of programs apparently due to a corrupt warty image.. arg
[01:32] <Mayonaise> adonijah, are al the things that were available in debian available for ubuntu?
[01:32] <Lowe> I just tried to su to root and i get authentication failed
[01:32] <schweeb> sudo su
[01:32] <tory> Does anybody else have this problem with the industrial theme? http://img33.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img33&image=emblem.png
[01:32] <Adonijah> Mayonaise, i don't think everything is, but supposedly there are 12,000 packages total avail
[01:33] <Kosai> Use sudo.  'sudo passwd root'.
[01:33] <tory> see the desktop folder emblem
[01:33] <Adonijah> Mayonaise, once you include universe/restricted
[01:33] <schweeb> no
[01:33] <Mayonaise> becuase there was a prog called audacity that i apt-get installed when i had debian, and doesnt work on ubuntu
[01:33] <schweeb> don't set a password
[01:33] <schweeb> use "sudo su"
[01:33] <matt2> I kindof like how sudo is set up..
[01:33] <Mayonaise> but how do you log into root? like from the startup screen
[01:33] <Mayonaise> the login screen rather
[01:33] <schweeb> or "sudo command"
[01:33] <Adonijah> Mayonaise, you don't
[01:33] <Mitario> schweeb, ooh, i see :) https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1040
[01:33] <Adonijah> Mayonaise, it's been disabled
[01:34] <Adonijah> Mayonaise, if you need a root 'shell' just do 'sudo -s'
[01:34] <schweeb> ooh
[01:34] <schweeb> didn't notice the -s option
[01:34] <schweeb> I've been using sudo su for months, heh
[01:34] <Adonijah> :D
[01:34] <Mayonaise> why was it disabled?
[01:34] <Adonijah> Mayonaise, security, and to encourage people to not do things as root, since that's dangerous
[01:34] <Mitario> jdub, why aren't you using project utopia btw? :)
[01:34] <Adonijah> Mayonaise, i would imagine anyway
[01:34] <schweeb> mayonaise: you're less likely to run everything as root
[01:35] <schweeb> only the necessary commands
[01:35] <Adonijah> Mayonaise, the less things that run as root, the better
[01:35] <Mayonaise> true
[01:35] <Adonijah> Mayonaise, if anything is horribly incovenient or difficult to do or use with the default setup, i would imagine the project would like your feedback about what's bad with the sudo setup
[01:36] <Adonijah> Mayonaise, so far though, i've found that having sudo -s available to me makes life as easy as normal
[01:36] <schweeb> Mitario: yea, right after you left, I was gonna tell you that in the installer, you can add them when you're doing your partitioning
[01:37] <Mayonaise> im not concerned w/ sudo, im concered w/ this update business
[01:37] <Adonijah> Mayonaise, open a query window to me and paste the output
[01:37] <Adonijah> Mayonaise, to me
[01:37] <Mitario> schweeb, oh, so if I add a disk when you've already got ubuntu installed it won't be added automatically?
[01:37] <Adonijah> Mayonaise, i imagine you're just seeing a warning about the update
[01:37] <Mayonaise> to late - already doing a new ftp install
[01:38] <Adonijah> Mayonaise, oh, well later then
[01:38] <Mayonaise> but itll probably happen again so ill let u know =P
[01:38] <Adonijah> Mayonaise, i imagine you're just seeing a warning about the update
[01:38] <Mayonaise> thx tho
[01:38] <Adonijah> Mayonaise, because I get the same message, but I can still install things
[01:38] <Mayonaise> hrm
[01:38] <Mayonaise> alright, well ill see how it all goes
[01:38] <Mayonaise> thx for your time
[01:40] <schweeb> Mitario: doubt it
[01:40] <Mitario> so i'll have to reinstall as soon as i put in a new harddrive..
[01:41] <schweeb> no
[01:41] <schweeb> there's always adding fstab entries by hand
[01:41] <Mitario> yeah, well, that's... hmm, i would almost call it dirty :)
[01:41] <sladen> schweeb: sudo {command you would have typed as root}
[01:41] <Mitario> i mean, hal does this automatically, why not use hal for it?
[01:41] <Mitario> or some other app/something
[01:41] <[Scizo] > sudo bash ? :D
[01:42] <Adonijah> Mitario, I believe hal is used, although I don't know how it's setup
[01:42] <schweeb> sladen: ?
[01:42] <Adonijah> Mitario, for example, if I add an entry to /etc/fstab, the instant I mount it, gnome opens a window displaying it's contents
[01:42] <Mitario> Adonijah, hald is un with --drop-privileges, so the /etc/hal/device.d/fstab-update.sh won't work
[01:42] <Mitario> s/un/run
[01:43] <Mitario> Adonijah, i don't want to add entries to /etc/fstab by hand :)
[01:43] <Mitario> if it's possible in a way that is
[01:43] <Adonijah> Mitario, this is for USB devices?
[01:43] <Adonijah> Mitario, or hotplug stuff?
[01:43] <Mitario> Adonijah, no, also IDE
[01:43] <Adonijah> Mitario, I wasn't aware IDE was hotplug ;)
[01:43] <Adonijah> Mitario, at least not generally anyway
[01:43] <punkass> i am trying to follow this howto to get my laptop to power down/up when the lid is closed opened...but it says to run /sbin/chkconfig --add acpid
[01:43] <Mitario> well, hal can update /etc/fstab and puts all ide devices in it
[01:44] <punkass> that is a redhat thing....is there a debian version?
[01:44] <Mitario> with appropiate mountpoint + fstype + mountoptions
[01:44] <matthewjs> punkass: i want to do something like that too, can you show me the howto?
[01:44] <Mitario> maybe i can just edit the startup script of hal and dop the --drop-privileges argument, would that break other things in ubuntu?
[01:44] <schweeb> punkass: it's way simpler than that
[01:44] <Mitario> s/dop/drop
[01:44] <schweeb> punkass: but are you sure you wanna do that?
[01:45] <schweeb> you want a full power down?
[01:45] <Adonijah> punkass, sudo apt-get install acconf, you can use that, chkconfig is a redhat thing I think
[01:45] <Adonijah> punkass, err...rcconf not acconf
[01:45] <schweeb> or use update-rc.d
[01:45] <Adonijah> that too ;)
[01:45] <sladen> punkass: ACPI should already be running
[01:45] <matthewjs> how do you make it suspend to disk?
[01:46] <schweeb> echo disk > /sys/power/state
[01:46] <schweeb> no guarantees as to if it actually works though
[01:47] <sladen> echo disk | sudo tee /sys/power/state
[01:48] <schweeb> something's b0rked for suspend to RAM for me in ubuntu, so I get to investigate that eventaully
[01:48] <matthewjs> i thought suspend to ram didnt work im most cases
[01:48] <schweeb> worked for me
[01:48] <schweeb> quite well
[01:48] <schweeb> on sid
[01:48] <matthewjs> i would like suspend to ram, but suspend to disk would be ok
[01:49] <matthewjs> schweeb: what did you use for suspend to ram?
[01:49] <schweeb> echo mem > /sys/power/state
[01:49] <schweeb> but save all your important data first
[01:49] <schweeb> i.e. don't have a huge office doc open and unsaved
[01:49] <matthewjs> going to try it now, if ill reconnect if it didnt work :)
[01:50] <punkass> yeah its running
[01:50] <punkass> but when i close the lid i just get a blank screen
[01:50] <punkass> so i have to reboot
[01:50] <punkass> and the backlight doesnt go off
[01:51] <Lowe> Where are my other partitons mounted? or do i have to mount them myself
[01:51] <Adonijah> Lowe, you'll have to mount them yourself most likely
[01:51] <schweeb> punkass: that's a known bug
[01:51] <matthewjs> schweeb: it did some stuff in console, screen flashed then came back up to X, same ting for you?
[01:51] <schweeb> it's in bugzilla
[01:51] <Adonijah> matthewjs, yea sam here
[01:51] <schweeb> matthewjs: something's blocking an IRQ
[01:51] <schweeb> Dell laptop? D800 or something?
[01:52] <matthewjs> schweeb: sony vaio z1
[01:52] <schweeb> never used one
[01:52] <matthewjs> so is that a ubuntu bug or does it just not work 
[01:52] <schweeb> it's a kernel bug
[01:52] <matthewjs> im going to try suspend to disk now
[01:52] <schweeb> one of the modules doesn't want to let go of the device
[01:53] <punkass> i am on a dell D600 and had to disable lpt port cuz if irc confilts
[01:53] <punkass> conflicts*
[01:53] <schweeb> remove "lp" from /etc/modules
[01:53] <punkass> yeah...i just disabled it in my bios :)
[01:53] <nicktaylor> Hey everyone.  I'm trying to set up a DWL-520(revision B), which runs on the Prism2.5 chipset.  I've got that Linux-WLAN-NG drivers installed and the prism2_pci module loaded, but there is still no device.  Any ideas?
[01:53] <schweeb> and you may have to blacklist lp and parport_pc in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[01:54] <punkass> schweeb: so does the lid thing just not work?
[01:54] <schweeb> I don't really know what the problem with the lid switch is
[01:55] <matthewjs> hrmm schweeb: that suspend to disk command did nothing for me 
[01:55] <schweeb> matthewjs: there's a bit more to it than that, you'll have to read the kernel docs for it
[01:55] <schweeb> punkass: just a sec
[01:55] <punkass> k
[01:57] <punkass> schweeb: i dont want a full power down...dont even care that much about the backlight(tho it would be nice) I just want the desktop to come back up..all i get is a blank screen with a flashing cursor
[01:57] <schweeb> did you press "enter"?
[01:57] <punkass> yup...and spacebar..and mouse buttons
[01:57] <schweeb> okay
[01:57] <schweeb> just a minute
[01:58] <nicktaylor> OK, here's an alternative question?  What is a wireless card I could get that would work out of the box with Ubuntu?
[01:59] <punkass> nicktaylor: here is a good list: http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ftp/SUPPORTED.CARDS
[01:59] <schweeb> punkass: okay, try this
[01:59] <schweeb> beware you may have to reboot
[02:00] <schweeb> xset dpms force off
[02:00] <punkass> ok
[02:00] <schweeb> then press a key
[02:00] <punkass> one moment ...just booting back up
[02:00] <nicktaylor> punkass: Need PCI, thanks though.
[02:00] <punkass> ah ok
[02:01] <Lowe> how would i mount hda1? (which is an ntfs partiton) I don't know the commands, i was so use to mandrakes mounter thing lol.
[02:02] <schweeb> punkass: work?
[02:02] <punkass> like a charm
[02:02] <markhannon> Lowe: create /mnt and then issue sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt 
[02:03] <schweeb> okay
[02:03] <Kosai> Lowe: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt
[02:03] <punkass> backlight even went out
[02:03] <schweeb> punkass: try xscreensaver-command -throttle
[02:03] <schweeb> er
[02:03] <schweeb> punkass: try xscreensaver-command -throttle && xscreensaver-command -lock
[02:04] <punkass> ok screen faded to black (backlight still on) press a key..enter password, desktop is back
[02:05] <schweeb> okay
[02:05] <neighborlee> just installed mplayer and am getting some weird behavior here...dvd starts to play but i'm getting a error dialogue poping up and blinking on /off very fast:: alsa-control: mixer attach dev/mixer error: no such file or directory..anyone else seeing this or is it a known bug ?
[02:05] <schweeb> so it's not xscreensaver or dpms that is fucking it up
[02:05] <punkass> neighborlee: i have seen that on a plain debian install
[02:05] <neighborlee> punkass: oh hmm
[02:05] <punkass> schweeb: it appears not
[02:06] <jesse_132> I have 2 linux (ubuntu) boxes on same network..  both have X running without the -nolisten option.  both have been "xhost -a" so that they accept from all ...  on neither does x2x work to/from :(
[02:06] <punkass> neigborlee: never spend anytime trying to fix it tho :)
[02:06] <jesse_132> I mean xhost + ...
[02:06] <Lowe> alright kosai i did that, but now only root can see it and when i try to change the permissons i get an error because obiously i can't write to ntfs
[02:06] <jdub> jesse_132: never use xhost + :-)
[02:06] <jdub> jesse_132: use ssh
[02:07] <jdub> jesse_132: however, if you really want to use raw X over the network
[02:07] <jdub> jesse_132: change the DisallowTCP setting in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[02:07] <jesse_132> jdub, yeah...  I just want to change it for here... and once I get it setup use ssh forwarding :)
[02:07] <neighborlee> punkass, well no matter..totem-xine is working fine now that I installed libdvdcss2 ;-)
[02:07] <jesse_132> jdub, I'll check that!
[02:07] <punkass> good stuff
[02:07] <neighborlee> yup ;-0
[02:08] <Deft> punkass, how'd the ndiswrapper stuff go?
[02:10] <schweeb> punkass: try "sudo chvt 1"
[02:10] <schweeb> then alt+f7 to get back to x
[02:10] <schweeb> anyone know what the $? variable is in bash scripts?
[02:10] <punkass> Deft: well it found the hardware :0
[02:11] <markhannon> schweeb: it shows the return value of the last command
[02:11] <schweeb> ah
[02:11] <schweeb> k
[02:11] <Deft> punkass, so it did compile?
[02:11] <punkass> yup it was an IRQ conflict with the lpt port
[02:11] <jdub> oh man
[02:11] <jdub> so
[02:12] <jdub> the worst thing about having lots of great contributors working in bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[02:12] <jdub> is that there are lots of name clashes ;)
[02:12] <jdub> so when i assign to 'colin', i have to choose which one ;)
[02:12] <Mitario> haha :)
[02:12] <schweeb> heh
[02:12] <punkass> schweeb: ok it took me to prompt, the alt-f7 took me back to X
[02:13] <schweeb> okay, so it's not that
[02:13] <punkass> a pile of # prompts it the X shell window tho
[02:13] <crimsun> i had a great time installing ubuntu on a machine with 32 MB RAM
[02:13] <punkass> like i hit enter about 30 times
[02:14] <schweeb> punkass: what kind of video card in that laptop?
[02:14] <punkass> i believe its a ati
[02:14] <punkass> not sure (its my bosses laptop)
[02:14] <schweeb> alright
[02:14] <TerminX> schweeb: I should get Matthias and friends in here so you can be the bitch here, too <3
[02:15] <Deft> woohoo, I think ubuntu is now ready to be my media player on my shuttle PC
[02:15] <punkass> yeah it is: Radeon R250 is what lspci tells me
[02:15] <schweeb> punkass: alright, do this: "sudo mv /etc/acpi/lid.sh /etc/acpi/lid.sh.bak"
[02:15] <Deft> jdub, one new issue, it took far too long to add a new user to all the groups needed to actually do anything...
[02:16] <punkass> k
[02:16] <schweeb> then close your lid
[02:16] <elmaya> hello
[02:17] <jdub> Deft: a secondary user? yeah, we want to make that easier
[02:17] <punkass> nothin...except it locked up the laptop :)
[02:17] <Deft> jdub, cool, something else I don't have to write a bug for
[02:18] <matt2> ok so I just did this:  rsync -CvzapP --stats rsync://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current/warty-i386.iso ./warty-i386.iso
[02:18] <_Hiro_> what initial group is the normal user added to?
[02:18] <matt2> umm... now is there something I should do to get all my missing apps back?
[02:18] <Deft> _Hiro_, almost none, needs cdrom, audio, video etc...
[02:19] <_Hiro_> is it <user>:<user> or more like <user>:users
[02:19] <schweeb> user:user
[02:19] <matt2> since my original image somehow got corrupt yet I still managed to install
[02:19] <matt2> it's just missing some things
[02:20] <matt2> or.. do I burn this sucker and re-install?
[02:20] <matt2> probably eh?
[02:20] <jesse_132> jdub, thanks for the help ... :)  
[02:20] <Adonijah> Lowe, use uid=1000,gid=1000 as options to mount
[02:21] <jdub> Deft: a bug would be good :-)
[02:21] <Adonijah> Lowe, where 1000 is your user id / group id (you can find them out by running 'id' from a shell prompt as your user)
[02:21] <Deft> ha, ok, I'll do that
[02:22] <matt2> I think I'll md5sum it this time (ARG)
[02:22] <Lowe> ah
[02:22] <jdub> Deft: let me know the bug number
[02:22] <punkass> schweeb: you get my last msg?
[02:23] <schweeb> punkass: okay, it's a problem with your hardware
[02:23] <schweeb> sort of
[02:23] <punkass> oh
[02:23] <schweeb> check in the BIOS... try turning off the suspend/blank stuff in there
[02:24] <punkass> ok.
[02:24] <punkass> would be nice if i could just hit the power button to power down the os
[02:25] <schweeb> punkass: that should work
[02:25] <Lowe> Is there an easier way to install mplayer without having to download all those packages?
[02:25] <schweeb> punkass: be sure to do "mv /etc/acpi/lid.sh.bak /etc/acpi/lid.sh"
[02:25] <punkass> nope...have to hold down the button for like 5secs then it just does a hard shutdown
[02:25] <schweeb> no
[02:25] <schweeb> press the button
[02:26] <schweeb> should almost certainly work
[02:27] <schweeb> press it and let it try to shut down
[02:27] <schweeb> may take a minute for you to realize it's doing anything
[02:28] <punkass> ok just lookin in the bios for suspend/blank stuff
[02:28] <tory> Does anybody know how to get windows to not display their current location in gnome? xterm says user@hostname:~/home/user but I want it to just say user@hostname:~
[02:28] <punkass> cant seem to find any
[02:28] <tory> it takes up too much space in the window list
[02:28] <Deft> jdub, 1430.  Any stupid mistakes I blame on Family Guy
[02:29] <schweeb> tory: edit .bashrc, and comment out the PROMPT_COMMAND line
[02:29] <jono> hi all
[02:29] <jono> anyone know where I can get divx for ubuntu?
[02:30] <tory> schweeb: thanks
[02:31] <jdub> jono: might be easiest to install totem-xine from universe
[02:31] <jono> jdub, ahhh really, cool :)
[02:32] <jono> you still working jdub?
[02:32] <jdub> relaxing
[02:32] <jdub> it's sunday :)
[02:32] <jono> heh, its 1am here
[02:32] <Adonijah> Lowe, mplayer isn't in the reposoitories due to licensing restrictions I believe
[02:32] <jono> I am still hungover from my birthday bash last night
[02:32] <Adonijah> Lowe, so, no :|
[02:33] <Adonijah> jono, hangovers are your body's punishment for drinking too much ;)
[02:33] <jono> what is the universe?
[02:33] <Deft> wow, apparently gaim just became perfect
[02:33] <jono> Adonijah, yep, hehe
[02:33] <Adonijah> jono, /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:33] <Adonijah> jono, uncomment universe/restricted in there
[02:33] <Adonijah> jono, universe is 'all the unsupported packages' best I can tell
[02:34] <punkass> schweeb: whoa..the powerbutton worked that time...wierd
[02:34] <Lowe> Well i suppose it's worth the effort to install
[02:34] <jono> I suppose universe is basically debian packages
[02:34] <punkass> schweeb: tho it does stop at acpi_power_off called
[02:35] <keifer|gdm> hey, is there just a kde 3.1 meta package, and not 3.2?
[02:35] <jdub> jono: debian main, unsupported
[02:35] <jono> jdub, cool, so normal debian packages integrate rather well then
[02:35] <jdub> not normal packages
[02:35] <jdub> they're built for ubuntu
[02:36] <jono> jdub, all we need now is a driver driver to allow a stable ABI in the kernel and ubuntu will rule the world :P
[02:36] <keifer> throw in a good ppc nvida driver while your at it. :P
[02:37] <Lowe-sleeping> Way past my bed time, good night.
[02:37] <jdub> jono: stable ABI == puke :-)
[02:38] <jono> jdub, but the driver situation is madness my man...
[02:38] <jdub> it won't be made any better by having a stable ABI and a bunch of shithouse proprietary drivers
[02:39] <jdub> we're doing okay for hardware support at that levle
[02:39] <jdub> it's going to pick up over the next three years
[02:39] <jono> but we need to move drivers outside the kernel source
[02:39] <jdub> we need more drivers *in* the kernel source :)
[02:40] <keifer> we need fluxbox. :)
[02:40] <Deft> we need user space drivers
[02:40] <jono> some kind of gentoo inspired automated build would be good - plug a device in, hal detects it, grabs the source and compiles
[02:40] <jdub> Deft: we do in many cases
[02:40] <jdub> jono: ugh
[02:40] <schweeb> eww
[02:40] <schweeb> building from source = tehdevil
[02:40] <jono> jdub, any manual compile of drivers is wrong
[02:40] <matt2> ok time to re-install..
[02:40] <jdub> jono: plug a device in, hal detects in, loads the module and it just works.
[02:40] <cef> jdub: we nee to make all the driver manufacturers walk the plank like the scurvy dogs they are!.. Aaarrrrr!
[02:40] <matt2> I was just on gentoo and I got sick and tired on compiling.. it's useless
[02:40] <jdub> jono: that's the process you want.
[02:40] <matt2> anyways re-installing with a working cd this time lol
[02:40] <jdub> cef: AHR!
[02:40] <jono> jdub, how do you do that for drivers not within the kernel?
[02:41] <schweeb> jono: from a user's standpoint any compilation is wrong
[02:41] <jono> schweeb, yep
[02:41] <jdub> jono: you provide them in another package if they exist.
[02:41] <matt2> peace people, seeya in 30-40 minutes
[02:41] <keifer> bye
[02:41] <jono> jdub, but then you need a new module for each minor point kernel release
[02:41] <Adonijah> jono, vlc is in apt, and works just as well if not better than mplayer sometimes
[02:42] <jono> Adonijah, totem-xine fixed it - cheers :)
[02:42] <ponds> vlc cant do ascii art can it
[02:42] <jdub> jono: not necessarily, you have source.
[02:42] <Adonijah> jdub, '****house properietary drivers' are better than none, and in some cases are the only option, you know that as well as I do if you do commercial software development
[02:42] <schweeb> I got DPMS working in the screenblank scripts
[02:42] <jono> jdub, but compilation is bad for the user
[02:42] <jdub> jono: you're assuming binary module damage and lack of freedom here. :-)
[02:42] <Deft> watching movies with caca output is fun
[02:42] <schweeb> will post bugreport soon
[02:42] <jdub> jono: nothing to do with the user.
[02:43] <jono> jdub, I dont believe all binaries are wrong - so long as the source code is available
[02:43] <jdub> Adonijah: they are, but if companies persist with binary drivers, they will lose in the market.
[02:43] <keifer> Does anyone else not have sound? (or is it ppc specific?)
[02:43] <punkass> schweeb: you fixed them?
[02:43] <jdub> jono: if source is available, you're fine. no problems.
[02:43] <schweeb> not for your problem, punkass 
[02:43] <Adonijah> jdub, i'm not so sure, 3d graphics are an area where I doub't well ever see good 3d hardware with drivers :|
[02:43] <Adonijah> jdub, even ati went closed source :|
[02:43] <punkass> oh
[02:43] <schweeb> Adonijah: you're wrong on that point
[02:44] <Deft> maybe if graphics cards companies would just reclassify their drivers as cpu level firmware, we could allow it
[02:44] <jono> I am against closed source binaries, but the current driver situation seems quite restrictive - if your device is not supported in the kernel source and available as amodule for your distro, you are stuffed - if there is a third party driver, you need then compile it - I dont think any distro can keep on top of drivers that well
[02:45] <Adonijah> schweeb, prove me wrong then, 4 major graphics card companies have come and gone, and all of them have either never gone open source, or have went closed source after being open source
[02:45] <jdub> Adonijah: dude, it will happen. it is inevitable. :-)
[02:45] <jdub> jono: we're releasing every six months.
[02:45] <Adonijah> i wish I could believe that, i really do
[02:45] <Adonijah> but as long as lawyers exist I wonder :P
[02:46] <jono> jdub, are you confident you can provide a module for every point release of the kernel inside ubuntu for every driver both in and out of the kernel?
[02:46] <jdub> Adonijah: when linux has 20% market share, do you think the dells, hps and ibms of this world are going to choose hardware/chipsets that require binary drivers? no. :-)
[02:46] <jdub> jono: every six months, there'll be a new release, with new drivers and (often) kernel.
[02:47] <maswan> jdub: this has already happened in the server space, IME
[02:47] <schweeb> there is a kernel config option where you don't have to recompile all of your modules for each and every kernel compile
[02:47] <jdub> maswan: exactly :-)
[02:47] <jdub> maswan: adaptec is the best example
[02:47] <punkass> if i set up a wifi connection with the gnome 'wizard' will it ask me for a WEP key if one is needed?
[02:47] <jono> jdub, but do you think you can cover all bases with the drivers - as much as I truly love ubuntu, I think its pretty impossible, even with six monthly release cycles
[02:47] <schweeb> it scans the module and it disables the symbols it thinks are incompatible with it
[02:48] <jono> and then what happens if the user wants to use a driver for a point kernel release where there is no module available in the distro
[02:48] <punkass> schweeb: so any other thoughts on what i can do?
[02:48] <schweeb> punkass: nope
[02:48] <jdub> jono: what do you define as 'all the bases'? we'll have new drivers in our kernel every six months. if a driver doesn't exist, we can't do it.
[02:48] <punkass> ok thanks for your help
[02:48] <jdub> jono: they won't install point release kernels that aren't in ubuntu.
[02:48] <jono> jdub, I mean drivers outside the kernel too
[02:48] <jdub> jono: we're talking real users here, not us.
[02:49] <jdub> jono: we have a bunch of drivers from outside the kernel, that's the plan.
[02:49] <schweeb> jono: that's what the kernel config option I'm talkin gabout is supposed to do
[02:49] <schweeb> I dunno how well module versioning works
[02:49] <jono> schweeb, interesting
[02:49] <schweeb> must not be very reliable, since no one uses it
[02:49] <jdub> versioning doesn't matter - we're building kernels :-)
[02:49] <jdub> they won't be out-of-step
[02:50] <schweeb> jdub: right, but I'm talking about for say, vendors who want to have a downloadable driver from their site... a premade binary (not necessarily closed source)
[02:50] <jono> my only concern is when a user needs to support a device in which the distro has not detected and installed the driver - that is when the user gets stuck in kernel compiling land - a place where no user should be :P
[02:50] <schweeb> it will solve that problem ^^^^
[02:51] <jdub> schweeb: it is a hack for that problem. it shouldn't be solved that way.
[02:51] <schweeb> like I said though, I dunno about the particulars
[02:51] <jdub> jono: dude, normal users will not be "stuck in kernel compiling land", they won't even start.
[02:51] <jono> you might have read it, but I wrote about this on my o'reilly blog - that is what was linked at slashdot
[02:51] <Deft> jono, that could be avoided just by giving everyone every driver, like happens with all the drivers in the kernel tree
[02:52] <jono> jdub, agreed if you are 100% positive the distro will detect the hardware and asign the right driver
[02:52] <jdub> the right solution is to have a sane release cycle, ship hardware support by default, and thumbscrew vendors in to supporting you as you pick up market share.
[02:52] <jdub> jono: if it doesn't, that's a bug.
[02:52] <schweeb> jdub: well, it's a bit of a problem in the first place that modules are kernel dependent, IMO
[02:52] <jono> I think the concern with linux is that you need to research your purchases
[02:52] <jdub> schweeb: it's not :-)
[02:53] <jdub> jono: sure, and that problem will end.
[02:53] <jono> but this is largely the driver issue that commercially supported drivers are rare and hackers have to write them
[02:53] <jono> anyhoo, I need to run, catch you later guys :)
[02:53] <schweeb> jdub: howso?  I mean, if the driver hasn't changed, why should you have to recompile it every time you recompile the rest of the kernel?
[02:54] <jdub> schweeb: users don't. we do. :-)
[02:54] <jono> schweeb, exactly
[02:54] <jdub> the problem never sets foot in the users mind
[02:54] <schweeb> every distro could have a "driver-modules" package, and not have to upgrade your modules every time you download a new kernel
[02:54] <jdub> schweeb: we have that to some extent.
[02:55] <schweeb> via virtual packages
[02:55] <schweeb> yes
[02:55] <jdub> (at least for restricted)
[02:55] <jdub> schweeb: but dude, it's unlikely that you'd be upgrading a kernel between releases
[02:55] <jono> jdub, I know a lot of users who have a device that is supported by linux, their distro does not pick up on it and install a module and they ask a LUG or friend how to get their device working and they are told to compile a module - that is main problem - this is not a bug in a distro, its a limitation of the kernel
[02:55] <jdub> unless you're on the devel path
[02:55] <jdub> jono: it's a bug in the distro.
[02:55] <jdub> jono: we're going to fix that bug.
[02:55] <Gandalfar> Hey, what's the root passwd? :)
[02:56] <jdub> Gandalfar: there is no root password, root is disabled.
[02:56] <jdub> Gandalfar: your first user is set up with full sudo privileges.
[02:56] <jono> thhe current system works under the express condition the distro picks up *every* device and installs a module *if* it is present
[02:56] <jdub> jono: and why shouldn't they? that is the goal.
[02:57] <jono> jdub, but this level of reliability is simply not there in any distro
[02:57] <jdub> jono: i know. :-)
[02:57] <jdub> jono: and why not? WHY NOT?
[02:57] <jono> unless you guys are working on some clever way around this, its always gonna be a problem
[02:57] <schweeb> jdub: why bother being modular then? do you recompile all of your libraries every time you compile a piece of software"
[02:57] <jdub> jono: no cleverness involved, just work.
[02:58] <jdub> schweeb: modular is good for other reasons (memory, reliability, cross-incompatilibty), etc.
[02:58] <jdub> schweeb: modular kernels are not there because of the need to load external modules
[02:58] <jono> jdub, I think the problem is that the current system does not scale, it may be manageable now, but in 10 years the management of individual modules is going to be huge with the new devices
[02:58] <Gandalfar> thanks for the tip
[02:58] <tory> I wish the weather applet wouldn't show a sun when it's 9 PM
[02:58] <neuro|laptop> yarr, this be why i be gettin' told to bugger off in #debian when askin' about ubuntu!
[02:58] <jdub> jono: we
[02:58] <jdub> jono: we're not talking about the current system
[02:59] <jdub> tory: ;)
[02:59] <tory> jdub: what
[02:59] <jdub> jono: you need to unassume. :-)
[02:59] <jdub> tory: sun at night.
[02:59] <jdub> funny.
[02:59] <tory> yeah :(
[02:59] <jono> jdub, do you have something up your sleeve ;)
[02:59] <jdub> jono: dude, solving this problem does not require something up my sleeve.
[03:00] <jono> jdub, hehe
[03:00] <jdub> it simply requires work
[03:00] <jdub> and not accepting the standard assumptions
[03:00] <jono> jdub, ok dude, we will agree to disagree :)
[03:00] <jono> I wrote the original article at http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/09/02/driver_ease.html - there is some interesting discussion in the comments bit
[03:01] <jdub> why do you think we need to disagree?
[03:01] <tory> jdub: do you know of any other decent weather applet so I can know whether or not its raining without having to take my eyes off of the screen for more than half a second?
[03:01] <Gandalfar> omg, ubuntu killed my ntfs installation
[03:01] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, it did?
[03:01] <jdub> tory: if it's raining, it will show rain
[03:01] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, didn't kill mine
[03:01] <schweeb> jdub: okay, how about the situation where a new piece of hardware comes out, and there is a OSS driver out immediately, but the distro doesn't have it included in their list... maybe it's some inane hardware the distro would never even realize is missing... why should the user have to file a bugreport to the distro to get it added?
[03:01] <jono> jdub, well we dont agree, do we?
[03:01] <Gandalfar> I probably shouldn't delete that 8Mb free partition?
[03:01] <jdub> jono: i don't think you're grokking the point, really.
[03:01] <tory> jdub: yeah, but I mean one besides the one gnome comes with
[03:01] <jono> jdub, ok
[03:01] <Adonijah> jdub, the pie in the sky idea of one day properietary drives won't be necessary because we'll own the market sounds great, but in the meantime binary 3d is the only way to get workstation class 3d so it'd be great if that were easier :)
[03:01] <tory> because it shows the sun at night :(
[03:01] <jdub> schweeb: then it's not supported in the current release.
[03:02] <jdub> schweeb: so users request it, and it's added to the next release.
[03:02] <schweeb> right
[03:02] <jdub> schweeb: the release cycle is sane, such that users can expect tested drivers in a reasonable period of time.
[03:02] <schweeb> so they have to wait 6 months for their hardware to work possibly?
[03:02] <jdub> at the very max
[03:02] <schweeb> I disagree with that
[03:02] <Adonijah> it'd be neat to write a program that sucked in a specially packaged driver tarball
[03:03] <jdub> and even then, we can provide unsupported packages for that particular module
[03:03] <Adonijah> that compiled and created a package for the module for the user and installed it
[03:03] <jdub> schweeb: you disagree that it's possible?
[03:03] <schweeb> if there are oss drivers available, the user should be able to download a binary from the manufacturer if the distro doesn't include it
[03:03] <jono> schweeb, exactly
[03:03] <jdub> schweeb: that's entirely possible.
[03:03] <jono> why should the user only be able to use distro supported device modules?
[03:04] <matthewjs> every 6 months for stable drivers, and unstable for people that want to use it now at no garentees
[03:04] <schweeb> the hardware manufacturer shouldn't have to have a binary module for EACH kernel for EACH distro
[03:04] <jdub> schweeb: ok, you're living in windows-assumption-land now :)
[03:04] <schweeb> how?
[03:04] <Gandalfar> Adonijah: grub doesn't boot winxp :/
[03:04] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, sure does
[03:04] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, at least here anyway
[03:05] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, open a /query window to me and paste your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:05] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, i'll help ya :)
[03:05] <schweeb> I'm just saying, you should be able to reuse your binary driver no matter what the kernel
[03:05] <Gandalfar> well it sets the chainloder correctly
[03:05] <jdub> schweeb: one, because you're assuming manufacturers should provide it; second, you're assuming it'll require a kernel module. :-)
[03:05] <Gandalfar> it just hangs there
[03:05] <jono> schweeb, exactly
[03:05] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, paste me the menu.lst in a /query
[03:05] <Gandalfar> Adonijah: ok
[03:05] <maswan> jdub: three, because you're assuming it's a binary
[03:05] <jdub> jono: that's a different problem, and if that's your mission, good luck to you. i don't think it's what we need to do to solve the problem.
[03:06] <maswan> jdub: (just providing additional points :) )
[03:06] <jdub> maswan: true, but let's assume that anyway (whether it's open source or not) ;)
[03:06] <jono> I dont think the excuse for a lack of ABI compatibility in the kernel is good enough for the fact that it may be used for closed sourced drivers
[03:06] <Adonijah> jono, unfortunately, the kernel maintainers don't feel that way
[03:06] <schweeb> jdub: are you talking about user space drivers?
[03:06] <hornbeck> is there going to be gtk-sharp packages?
[03:06] <jdub> Adonijah: that's a *good* thing :-)
[03:06] <jdub> schweeb: yes
[03:06] <jono> Adonijah, and that is a problem IMHO
[03:06] <jdub> schweeb: most drivers will move to user space
[03:07] <jdub> hrm
[03:07] <Adonijah> jdub, not from a programming perspective
[03:07] <schweeb> that is acceptable, yes
[03:07] <schweeb> but
[03:07] <schweeb> currently
[03:07] <jdub> dude, you're conflating problems here
[03:07] <schweeb> they're kernel space
[03:07] <Adonijah> jdub, if the Qt or Gtk apis changed as often as the kernel driver API there would be a mutiny :)
[03:07] <Adonijah> jdub, even for open source drivers it's very difficult to keep up with kernel changes sometimes
[03:07] <jono> Adonijah, good point
[03:07] <jdub> Adonijah: sure, that's why they should be in the kernel
[03:07] <jdub> anyway
[03:07] <jdub> this will be solved
[03:07] <Adonijah> jdub, that sounds great in theory, but what about when there's 20,000 drivers to be maintained
[03:07] <jdub> i believe it will be solved differently
[03:08] <jono> how will it be solved jdub?
[03:08] <jdub> and anyone chasing up the ABI/downloadable garden path is welcome to 
[03:08] <maswan> I mean, the first thing you check when you're thinking of buying new hardware is make menuconfig for a driver (if it is kernelspace).
[03:08] <Adonijah> jdub, pretend for a moment that binary drivers couldn't exist
[03:08] <jdub> jono: go to bed. :)
[03:08] <jono> jdub, huh?
[03:09] <Adonijah> jdub, would you then suddenly want  a stable API?
[03:09] <jdub> dudes
[03:09] <jdub> let's drop it
[03:09] <jdub> it's a pointless argument
[03:09] <Adonijah> i wouldn't say pointless
[03:09] <Adonijah> but i would say impossible to agree most likely ;)
[03:09] <jono> I think its very important, but I think we simply disagree :)
[03:09] <jdub> thus pointless
[03:10] <Gandalfar> Adonijah: sent
[03:10] <Adonijah> i guess, i'm a developer too, and I just don't understand it, maybe that's why I get into discussions about it
[03:10] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, sent?
[03:10] <Gandalfar> Adonijah: as different user
[03:10] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, oh i see
[03:10] <bolivar> jdub: have time for a question please?
[03:11] <jdub> sure
[03:11] <jono> ok, I need to go learn about Blender - later chaps :)
[03:11] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, hrm, i don't see anything wrong
[03:11] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, did you use the partition to delete and move partitions around?
[03:11] <Gandalfar> Adonijah: well, grub just hangs in there..
[03:11] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, err..partitioner
[03:12] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, you have XP SP2 or just plain ole' xp?
[03:12] <Gandalfar> Adonijah: I had 8Gb unpartitioned disk space in hda2 which I used to add ext3 and install to it
[03:12] <Gandalfar> Adonijah: fresh xp installation with slipstreamed SP2
[03:12] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, ok, did you delete any partitions?
[03:12] <Gandalfar> Adonijah: yes, the unpartitioned one
[03:13] <bolivar> been running the default install...want to do the mini install...will then do x-window-system-core, gdm, mozilla-firefox, xchat, evolution...but i dont see a 'gnome-base' type of package like debian...am i just overlooking it...hope that makes sence
[03:13] <Gandalfar> Adonijah: because it seemed strange to me that winxp installer left 8Mb of free disk space
[03:13] <hermes88> hey, I'm getting an error message when trying to mount a windows partition...  "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc2, or too many mounted file systems"
[03:13] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, that may have been what done it, xp is picky about it's partition table
[03:14] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, and the unpartitioned space is normal
[03:14] <subterrific> jdub: what project is aiming to move drivers into user space?
[03:14] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, hrm...there is a non-destructive way to fix it
[03:14] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, i think you should be able to boot the XP cd, go into recovery console mode and run the fdisk program
[03:14] <Gandalfar> Adonijah: if I can save winxp, I can reinstall ubuntu much quicker
[03:14] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, write out the partition table, and reboot
[03:15] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, lemme check
[03:15] <Gandalfar> Adonijah: so, should I delete ubuntu, create a big partition, leave 8Mb free in in and run fixmbr, boot in winxp, then reinstall ubuntu?
[03:16] <subterrific> Adonijah: if Gandalfar used the ubuntu installer i'm not sure that will work because it doesn't just change the partition table, it also formats the partitions
[03:16] <Gandalfar> subterrific: I didn't format the ntfs one
[03:16] <Adonijah> subterrific, it doesn't automatically format all the partitions
[03:16] <subterrific> ok
[03:16] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, you shouldn't have to delete ubuntu
[03:16] <Gandalfar> subterrific: I installed sarge a few times before :)
[03:16] <subterrific> k
[03:17] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, i think just booting to the XP recovery console using the CD, then running fdisk, having it write the partitions, and rebooting should work
[03:17] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, you may end up having to run fixboot from the recovery console, and then reinstalling grub later
[03:17] <hornbeck> bbl
[03:17] <jdub> subterrific: there are some gelato project related groups doing it atm.
[03:17] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, if that fails, yes, you may have to delete the ubuntu partition using fdisk from the XP cd, using fixboot, and then reinstalling
[03:17] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, but I don't think so
[03:17] <jdub> subterrific: plus, you already have usb userspace drivers on your system now :)
[03:18] <jdub> bolivar: i wouldn't recommend that
[03:18] <jdub> bolivar: why don't you want to install the default desktop?
[03:19] <subterrific> jdub: gelato.org?
[03:20] <jdub> yeah, not sure if much of it is public yet though
[03:20] <bolivar> i will be installing for my mom before I leave for africa....i just wanted to keep the number of packages small so when she updates the confusion level would be small
[03:21] <bolivar> in case some packages required yes or no etc
[03:21] <Adonijah> bolivar, the default desktop is very non-confusing
[03:21] <Adonijah> bolivar, and fairly small imo :D
[03:22] <jdub> bolivar: there shouldn't be enough to cause confusion. it's designed for your mum. :-)
[03:22] <subterrific> jdub: found an article on it, thx http://lwn.net/Articles/66829/
[03:22] <Gandalfar> Adonijah: hm, no fdisk in recovery console
[03:23] <Gandalfar> Adonijah: fixmbr and fixboot will probably wipe-out grub?
[03:23] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, yes, they will
[03:23] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, but there should be an fdisk on the CD somewhere
[03:23] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, i'd almost swear it
[03:23] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, it may not be in the default path
[03:23] <jdub> subterrific: there's also some stuff about it in the gelato@UNSW wiki
[03:24] <bolivar> is satellite as bad as people say for web?  ill be using that overseas...if its decent i could admin the box remotely
[03:24] <tory> new ubuntu artwork B)
[03:24] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, fixboot and fixmbr are pretty innocuous though, worth a try
[03:24] <empop> i think bolivar means when his mom is apt-get upgrading.  I know I have even been annoyed when debconf asks me something when upgrading a package that it didn't ask when i origionally installed it.
[03:25] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, means you'd have to use the ubuntu cd to reinstall grub, but that's pretty minor
[03:25] <bolivar> empop: yeah, to just keep the confusion down...shes not a techy, like the kernel warning for example
[03:25] <empop> or pcmcia-cs
[03:25] <Gandalfar> Adonijah: I just managed to press R to 'repair' windows .. I guess I just have to wish that everything will work after this finishes
[03:26] <subterrific> has Linus expressed his opinion on the user-space driver projects? i know he likes to keep every possible in user space (ie udev, graphics drivers) but this does allow binary drivers to be legitimized...
[03:26] <jdub> subterrific: at which point it doesn't matter to him :)
[03:26] <jdub> bolivar: it should be fine as-is
[03:26] <subterrific> because they aren't in kernel space?
[03:26] <jdub> bolivar: it will be harder to get a fully working system for your mum otherwise
[03:26] <jdub> subterrific: sure
[03:26] <jdub> subterrific: and nothing to do with him :)
[03:27] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, yeah, that'll probably do it too, although you'll want to run windows update once it boots into windows again
[03:27] <subterrific> interesting, i really hope to see this succeed. imho, hardware support is the biggest challenge for linux on the desktop right now
[03:27] <Gandalfar> otherwise, I quite liked first experience with ubuntu, much faster than my usual three day tweaking of debian system :)
[03:27] <Adonijah> subterrific, some things just don't work well in userspace though, like graphics drivers, and even then, userspace drivers are only good if the kernel abi for them is stable :p
[03:29] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, same here, I've used gnome for a long time, and the only other distro that gets gnome right is fedora or rhel
[03:30] <punkass> where can i find nvidia-glx?
[03:33] <Gandalfar> punkass: in non-free usually
[03:33] <unshavenyak> hrmm
[03:34] <Mitario> in restricted
[03:34] <unshavenyak> Question for anyone awake out there.  I'm trying to install the Linux version of Maple 9.5 (Calculus Software)
[03:34] <Mitario> apt-get install nvidia-glx
[03:34] <unshavenyak> whenever I try to do sudo ./installMapleLinuxSU I get /bin/sh: bad interpreter: permission denied
[03:34] <punkass> its not coming up
[03:34] <unshavenyak> any ideas what might be causing this?
[03:34] <punkass> i have main restricted universe
[03:34] <Mitario> unshavenyak, is the file executable?
[03:35] <punkass> but it cant find
[03:35] <unshavenyak> yup
[03:35] <punkass> 'i'
[03:35] <Mitario> unshavenyak, does the file call some script which isn't executable?
[03:35] <unshavenyak> hrmm one sec
[03:35] <Mitario> punkass, did you do an apt-get update?
[03:35] <punkass> yup
[03:36] <Mitario> what does apt-cache search nvidia find?
[03:36] <unshavenyak> checking to see Mitario, but this is a long file 
[03:36] <Mitario> unshavenyak, it's usually at the top
[03:36] <Mitario> unshavenyak something like #!/bin/sh
[03:36] <unshavenyak> lets see..
[03:36] <unshavenyak> looks like the only script it calls is CMD=" ./LinuxInstaller.bin"
[03:37] <Mitario> is that one executable?
[03:37] <unshavenyak> checking...yeah
[03:37] <punkass> it says it has 'no installation candidit
[03:37] <unshavenyak> it's executable
[03:37] <Adonijah> unshavenyak, you may have to do 'sudo -s'
[03:37] <Adonijah> unshavenyak, and then run it from that shell
[03:37] <unshavenyak> ok thanks Adonijah, I'll give it a try
[03:38] <Mitario> punkass, and if you do 'apt-cache policy nvidia-glx'?
[03:38] <cef> heya thaytan 
[03:38] <empop> im thinking of trying ubuntu on my powerbook.  does debian-installer detect and make entries in yaboot for macos and macosx by default?  or do I have to figure that out for myself?
[03:38] <thaytan> does Mark know about this? :)
[03:38] <unshavenyak> woo hoo
[03:38] <thaytan> yo Chriffer
[03:38] <unshavenyak> thanks Adonijah it did the trick I think
[03:39] <thaytan> yo cef,rather
[03:39] <thaytan> silly tab-complete
[03:39] <jdub> empop: it adds them if they exist, yeah :)
[03:39] <jdub> empop: it also gives you a boot from cd choice, if you don't like holding down C ;-)
[03:40] <cef> thaytan: self-signed cert?
[03:40] <jdub> thaytan: yeah, it's being sorted
[03:40] <empop> jdub: schweet..off to try it out now ;)
[03:40] <jdub> Britt: that was fast
[03:40] <thaytan> jdub: did you get my new planet.py?
[03:40] <toothpick> I dragged the top bar to the left...the icons are all huge now and I can't drag them back to the top...the one for firefox...sound...evolution..
[03:41] <cef> hrm, apt needs to support https
[03:41] <jdub> thaytan: yeah, will look in a while
[03:41] <Britt> jdub, :) good thing i'm not a gunslinger
[03:41] <matt2> unf I'm back
[03:41] <matt2> worked flawlessly this time
[03:42] <Mitario> brb
[03:42] <Britt> jdub, everything's looking great btw (you hooked me w/ iw2000 drivers on the notebook)
[03:43] <toothpick> any ideas how to drag that bar back to the top?
[03:43] <Adonijah> thaytan, yes, it's a bug in bugzilla
[03:44] <Mitario> hmm, the human icon theme is pretty cool :)
[03:44] <jdub> Britt: rocking
[03:44] <thaytan> should I file broken dependencies in bugzilla?
[03:44] <Mitario> when is it going to be added to the default Human desktop theme?
[03:44] <jdub> thaytan: yes please
[03:44] <jdub> thaytan: particularly in supported
[03:44] <jdub> Mitario: by Final
[03:44] <thaytan> this is universe
[03:44] <Mitario> jdub, ah, ok
[03:45] <thaytan> jack-rack wants swh-plugins
[03:45] <jdub> thaytan: may fix, expecially with patch :)
[03:45] <thaytan> AFAICS the patch would be to include swh-plugins ;)
[03:45] <jdub> thaytan: oh, swh-plugins is not built?
[03:46] <jdub> thaytan: that's most likely the problem
[03:46] <thaytan> let me update, it's been 12 hours
[03:47] <jay_> is warty stable
[03:47] <toothpick> How do I create a panel in gnome...I delete the top panel that had computer and everything
[03:48] <Deft> toothpick, right click on another panel
[03:48] <Ycros> ahh, but what if you have no panels left
[03:48] <toothpick> found it thanks Deft 
[03:48] <Deft> that should happen unless you try really hard
[03:48] <thaytan> Ycros: it won't let you delete them all
[03:48] <Britt> didn't see anything about this in the faq: will there be an installer option for servers w/o X in the future?
[03:48] <Ycros> yeah? mmph
[03:48] <subterrific> i think i've compiled the ubuntu kernel 8 times today, fun
[03:48] <jdub> Britt: type 'custom' at the install boot prompt now :-)
[03:48] <jdub> thaytan: unfortunately, that was changed :|
[03:48] <Ycros> never tried it myself
[03:48] <jdub> thaytan: now it prompts you
[03:49] <Deft> Ycros, you'd have to remove the gconf entries, and maybe the defaults too, you can't do it from the gui
[03:49] <Britt> jdub, awesome :)
[03:49] <jdub> thaytan: going to bug markmc about it
[03:49] <jay_> is warty stable
[03:49] <jdub> jay_: we think so :)
[03:49] <jay_> i still lockup on configuring wireless networking with network-admin
[03:50] <jay_> i have to do it manually if terminal
[03:50] <jdub> jay_: what kind of wifi card?
[03:50] <jay_> dlink dwl-ag650
[03:50] <jdub> do you know which chipset that uses?
[03:50] <jay_> dlink air-xpert
[03:50] <jay_> ummm no
[03:50] <jay_> :)
[03:51] <jdub> hmm :)
[03:52] <thaytan> jdub: are the build bot pages accessible to me for these situations?
[03:52] <Gandalfar> Adonijah: well, xp won't boot anymore, fixmbr and/or fixboot doesn't help. I guess I'll do a full reinstall tommorow. Thanks for your time
[03:53] <jdub> thaytan: not yet, i don't think
[03:53] <jay_> welp with latest apt-get upgrade has not locked yet...which is good
[03:53] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, try deleting the ubuntu partition with fdisk, and then writing out the partition table again
[03:53] <subterrific> jdub: here's another project i found http://www.circlemud.org/~jelson/software/fusd/
[03:53] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, then use fixboot and fixmbr
[03:53] <jay_> just network-admin still a bit squirrly
[03:53] <subterrific> looks pretty interesting
[03:53] <Mitario> nn all!
[03:53] <jdub> oh man
[03:53] <jdub> night Mitario 
[03:53] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, you should be able to use fdisk by going into the directory it's in on your C:\
[03:53] <jdub> everyone thank Mitario 
[03:53] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, using recovery console
[03:53] <jdub> for his excellent trashapplet :)
[03:53] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, sorry it didn't work out easier for ya
[03:53] <subterrific> thank you Mitario 
[03:53] <Mitario> *blushes*
[03:54] <jdub> yayayaay :)
[03:54] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, this is a problem all 2.6 distros face (a kernel thing)
[03:54] <jdub> hrm
[03:54] <subterrific> i wrote an applet you might be interested in jdub (if i ever finish it)
[03:54] <jdub> so alsa has a separate headphone volume
[03:54] <Gandalfar> Adonijah: what does 2.6 kernel have with xp loading?
[03:54] <jdub> as 'master' doesn't control it
[03:54] <subterrific> it adds a urlbar to the panel
[03:54] <jdub> it's not affected by the mixer applet
[03:55] <jdub> subterrific: tried mini-commander? :)
[03:56] <subterrific> jdub: no, i think i looked at screenshots and decided it was too ugly
[03:56] <jdub> it's kinda plain, but it does the job
[03:56] <Mitario> oh uhm, lol, has anyone seen the trashapplet icon with the Human icon theme?
[03:56] <jdub> there are a few other applets like it
[03:56] <Mitario> (in the applet chooser)
[03:56] <jdub> Mitario: yeah 8)
[03:56] <Mitario> heh :p
[03:56] <jdub> Mitario: it's the most important applet! :)
[03:56] <Mitario> haha :)
[03:56] <Mitario> realy, ubuntu is soooo great :)
[03:57] <jdub> Mitario: sweet :)
[03:57] <Mitario> hmm, 4AM over here
[03:57] <thaytan> I think quick lounge should be in by default :)
[03:58] <jdub> thaytan: i would prefer the panel to work like that by default, to some extent ;)
[03:59] <thaytan> yeah, a mini-panel applet would be nice
[03:59] <thaytan> just a shelf to put other applets and icons in 
[03:59] <thaytan> so you can drag them around as an entity
[03:59] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, 2.6 uses a modern partition table that XP doesn't understand
[03:59] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, afaik
[03:59] <Mit|bed> anyone bothers I take this name? :)
[03:59] <Mit|bed> or should I just log out... hmm
[04:00] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, http://portal.suse.com/sdb/en/2004/05/fhassel_windows_not_booting91.html
[04:00] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, that might help
[04:01] <Adonijah> Gandalfar, no one seems to agree on whether it's a bug or not
[04:07] <brainpicnic> what is a good rss newsfeed downloader for ubuntu?
[04:08] <SystemX_> Liferea
[04:08] <brainpicnic> is that already installed in the release
[04:08] <SystemX_> you can get it through synaptic
[04:08] <Adonijah> brainpicnic, don't think so
[04:09] <brainpicnic> okay, thanks
[04:09] <Adonijah> brainpicnic, it's in the respositories tho
[04:09] <brainpicnic> i'll use synaptic
[04:09] <brainpicnic> thanks
[04:10] <SystemX_> i thought Gnome System Tools cam ew/ an application for turning on and off services?
[04:10] <jdub> SystemX_: it's not enabled/supported upstream or in ubuntu
[04:11] <SystemX_> k
[04:11] <jomohke_> Ok, as unrelated as this is I have a problem. With a budget of AU$2500-3000 should I a) Buy a powerbook G4 today b) Wait til early next year for powerbook G5 or c) Grab a pc laptop today?
[04:11] <jdub> jomohke_: go pc.
[04:11] <jomohke_> Why is that?
[04:11] <jdub> jomohke_: the current crop of apple machines don't have complete linux support (for wifi, etc).
[04:11] <jdub> pretty much everything else works though
[04:12] <jdub> but it's not really worth the cost/hassle
[04:12] <SystemX_> what config file do I edit to adjust the services in uBuntu?
[04:12] <jdub> SystemX_: you can use the update-rc.d program
[04:12] <jdub> SystemX_: what do you want to change?
[04:12] <bur[n] er> anyone know if i can download the ubuntu 2.8 debs from the iso in my current debian installation?
[04:12] <brainpicnic> hi again, I couldn't find liferea in synaptic
[04:12] <SystemX_> i just wanna stop somethings from starting at boot time
[04:12] <bur[n] er> or where the repository is with gnome 2.8?
[04:12] <jay_> quick question since network-admin does not work on my system what file do i edit to make it work
[04:12] <jdub> bur[n] er: best not to use ubuntu packages with debian and vice versa
[04:13] <jay_> like ifconfig ath0 ipaddress netmask
[04:13] <jomohke_> Wifi is important for my laptop, and under an apple I would most probably use OS X for it. Under a PC I would want to use linux, how good is linux's wifi support? There is an airport extreme network setup where I live for internet access and that would be essential.
[04:13] <jdub> SystemX_: which things, out of interest?
[04:13] <jay_> route add default gw ipaddress
[04:13] <jdub> jay_: /etc/network/interfaces -> really easy :)
[04:13] <bur[n] er> in that case... any idea where the live cd is?  i heard alex of morphix was working on it
[04:13] <jdub> bur[n] er: we delayed the live cd a bit
[04:14] <bur[n] er> jomohke_: i use wifi on my linux box every day
[04:14] <SystemX_> brainpicnic, add this to synaptic - deb http://ftp.lug.ro/debian/ sid main contrib
[04:14] <bur[n] er> jomohke_: works pretty well actually
[04:14] <jdub> but there are earlier versions that don't have full autoconfig support here:
[04:14] <jdub> people.no-name-yet.com/~mdz/ubuntu-live/
[04:14] <SystemX_> or to yr apt-get sources.list file
[04:14] <bur[n] er> right on... i'll play with a test release... that doesn't bother me
[04:14] <jomohke_> bur[n] er: is there much 802.11g support yet?
[04:14] <SystemX_> jdub, stuff like pcmcia support
[04:14] <brainpicnic> okay, thanks
[04:14] <jdub> it's quite old compared to current ubuntu
[04:15] <bur[n] er> jomohke_: really depends on your card
[04:15] <jdub> SystemX_: update-rc.d -f pcmcia remove
[04:15] <SystemX_> ok, thanx
[04:15] <bur[n] er> jdub: gnome 2.8?  and one last question... is centrino support built in to ubuntu?
[04:15] <jdub> bur[n] er: gnome 2.7ish on the old livecds, and yeah, good centrino support
[04:15] <scrillaman> same question about centrino as burner
[04:15] <jomohke_> Most laptops I've seen come with built in wifi (centrino, I think it's called)
[04:16] <bur[n] er> jdub: thanks for the answers :)  and the link
[04:16] <bur[n] er> jomohke_: centrino works very very well now
[04:16] <jdub> bur[n] er: don't think the livecd had centrino foo
[04:16] <jomohke_> Ah, good. I may get a pc in that case.
[04:17] <bur[n] er> jdub: no worries, i just wanted to test out gnome 2.8 with the live cd... and if it's worth it, i'll go for the whole ubuntu install
[04:17] <jomohke_> Anyone recommend laptop brands for hardware compatibility and quality?
[04:17] <scrillaman> I installed ubuntu yesterday on my 8600 with the intel 2100 wireless card and it recognized my hardware but didn't come up as eth1
[04:17] <jdub> jomohke_: hp or ibm
[04:17] <jay_> what package install java in ubuntu
[04:17] <jdub> jomohke_: though i'm very happy with my dell (but acpi is a bit wonk)
[04:17] <jdub> jay_: none
[04:17] <jay_> darnit
[04:17] <jdub> jay_: there are external repositories linked in the wiki
[04:17] <jay_> no limewire then
[04:18] <bur[n] er> scrillaman: eth2? ;)  that's what my intel 2100 is
[04:18] <bur[n] er> scrillaman: i lied... it's eth0
[04:18] <scrillaman> lol nope
[04:18] <g1powermac> bur[n] er: please read my messages on the morphix channel. . .
[04:18] <bur[n] er> :)
[04:18] <jomohke_> Hm. Haven't seen any ibm laptops in the few stores I've been to around canberra. Most stock sony & dell it seems.
[04:18] <scrillaman> nothing
[04:18] <bur[n] er> sure g1powermac
[04:18] <jomohke_> Whoops, compaq not dell.
[04:19] <Adonijah> brainpicnic, uncomment restricted/universal in your /etc/apt/sources.list as root
[04:19] <scrillaman> bur[n] er did your 2100 work right out of the box
[04:19] <Adonijah> brainpicnic, it is in there
[04:19] <bur[n] er> scrillaman: i haven't installed ubuntu yet... but it did with my distro
[04:20] <scrillaman> i c
[04:20] <bur[n] er> scrillaman: i have issues with the module though... i have to rmmod ipw2100... then modprobe ipw2100 after i boot up
[04:20] <bur[n] er> something about the module being loaded before something else and it isn't recognized till i reload it
[04:20] <scrillaman> ok
[04:20] <bur[n] er> may want to try that 
[04:20] <g1powermac> bur[n] er: thanks :-)
[04:21] <bur[n] er> for copy/paste:  sudo rmmod ipw2100 && sudo modprobe ipw2100
[04:21] <hornbeck> it was a pain to get ipw2200 to work
[04:21] <bur[n] er> 2200 == 802.11g?
[04:21] <hornbeck> yeah
[04:22] <hornbeck> had to disable my parallel port
[04:22] <bur[n] er> that's somethign i've never heard of... (but who uses parallel anwyay) ;)
[04:22] <hornbeck> not I
[04:22] <hornbeck> works great now though
[04:29] <jay> ick!! wireless transfer of large files suck
[04:30] <AndyFitz> oh noez
[04:31] <micolous> nah, it's installing.  im glad i dont have 256kbit.
[04:32] <micolous> so far, it's detected everthing but my soundcard (which i never expected it to, everything has issues with it) and acpi
[04:32] <micolous> seeing as acpi in its infinite wisdom breaks pcmcia :\
[04:33] <hornbeck> who uses pcmcia?
[04:33] <micolous> me, for my wired network card :P
[04:33] <hornbeck> ahh
[04:34] <hornbeck> I have never had acpi break my pcmcia(yenta)
[04:34] <micolous> yeah, mines yenta too
[04:34] <hornbeck> hmm
[04:34] <micolous> seems to make my old toshiba have irq conflicts
[04:34] <hornbeck> ahhh
[04:35] <hornbeck> I must say, this is the nicest distro for my laptop so far
[04:35] <hornbeck> everything is working without major hacking
[04:38] <ickyGoat> .
[04:50] <amit> ok guys need help badly....trying to decide if i should install ubuntu or suse on an i386....user has never used linux....
[04:51] <hornbeck> ubuntu
[04:51] <hornbeck> works alot better right out the box
[04:51] <hornbeck> the suse install is prettier
[04:51] <hornbeck> sp?
[04:51] <amit> yeah and the kde looks a lot better in suse
[04:51] <hornbeck> that is true
[04:51] <amit> need to impress this dude man...gotta convert him to linux
[04:52] <micolous> there's no kde in ubuntu, it's gnome based by default.
[04:52] <matthewjs> gnome 2.8 and the new hardware detection thingy > *
[04:52] <amit> but applications in suse seen out of date
[04:52] <hornbeck> gnome 2.8 is worth using ubuntu over suse
[04:52] <micolous> and suse has no gnome..
[04:52] <amit> ok how is apt set up in ubuntu...
[04:52] <hornbeck> thats the reason I installed it 
[04:52] <matthewjs> ya same, i only installed it for gnome 2.8 now i like it so im keeping it
[04:52] <amit> i mean does it have synaptic bundled
[04:53] <matthewjs> yes
[04:53] <hornbeck> I was installing gnome 2.8 on progeny when I found this
[04:53] <hornbeck> now I am sold on Ubuntu for life
[04:53] <matthewjs> i was going to on gentoo
[04:53] <amit> how many packages does ubuntu have
[04:53] <hornbeck> gentoo takes to long
[04:53] <matt2> Lol hornbeck, me too dude
[04:53] <Adonijah> amit, 12,000 or so
[04:53] <Adonijah> amit, at last check
[04:53] <hornbeck> and I always break gentoo
[04:53] <micolous> im installing ubuntu because i want to play with gnome 2.8, and gentoo is very slow to compile stuff on my laptop
[04:54] <matt2> gentoo pisses me off sooo bad
[04:54] <matthewjs> lol
[04:54] <amit> 12,000?! wow
[04:54] <violajack> i think it would depend on the guy's background.......the windows control center > YaST is an easier transition
[04:54] <hornbeck> I get a nice gentoo
[04:54] <matt2> used to love it.. but it's just soo.. finicky
[04:54] <micolous> gentoo is my main desktop (:
[04:54] <hornbeck> than it stops working
[04:54] <Adonijah> amit, that's including unsupported packages ;)
[04:54] <matthewjs> i still like gentoo just didnt want to wait for 2.8 ebuilds
[04:54] <matt2> I'm tired of compiling now..
[04:54] <amit> awesome....do the packages get updated right away
[04:54] <matthewjs> matt2 thats the whole point of gentoo, so ya dont use it if you dont want to compile
[04:54] <matt2> It was fun, but I end up configuring it to no end.. I'd rather USE my desktop
[04:54] <Chriffer> I've started trying to avoid effort
[04:54] <hornbeck> the release cycle is almost right with gnome
[04:55] <Adonijah> amit, when necessary, dunno about right away
[04:55] <matt2> matthewjs: thanks, I knew that
[04:55] <micolous> ubuntu with gnome 2.8 came out less than a week after gnome 2.8 was released
[04:55] <Adonijah> amit, 6 months is the release cycle for the distro as a whole
[04:55] <hornbeck> it came out same day did it not?
[04:55] <Adonijah> micolous, try same day as 2.8 was officially released :P
[04:55] <micolous> ah yeah
[04:55] <matthewjs> micolous: 2 hours after
[04:55] <matthewjs> heh
[04:55] <micolous> and that debsig thing
[04:55] <micolous> *at
[04:56] <amit> ok and whats the different versions available...i mean on the web site they said there is an enterprise edition and server edition?
[04:56] <micolous> enterprise and server suse cost $$$
[04:56] <jpilot> hi, is there a live cd of ubuntu 4.10 available?
[04:56] <hornbeck> suse pro is nice, but is 80 bucks
[04:56] <micolous> as with most enterprise and server versions of OSs
[04:56] <violajack> if you want suse for free, you have to mess with the ftp install
[04:56] <matthewjs> suse 9.1 is free though
[04:56] <hornbeck> they have suse personal is free now
[04:57] <toothpick> I need gtk2 to compile something...what do I need to apt-get install?
[04:57] <hornbeck> sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0
[04:57] <hornbeck> the only thing I am missing is gtk-sharp
[04:58] <hornbeck> cannot build certain things I was working on
[04:58] <tseng> hornbeck: see my repo
[04:58] <tseng> on -user list
[04:58] <hornbeck> hmm, let me check
[04:58] <toothpick> thanks
[04:58] <hornbeck> whats your name on there tseng?
[04:58] <jpilot> is there a livecd for ubuntu 4.10?
[04:58] <Adonijah> hornbeck, suse personal is a piece of crap
[04:58] <tseng> hornbeck: Brandon Hale
[04:59] <Adonijah> hornbeck, but the ftp install version is alright
[04:59] <toothpick> E: Couldn't find package libgtk2.0
[04:59] <hornbeck> I just was not sold on suse adonijah
[04:59] <hornbeck> I think you have to have universe uncommented
[04:59] <jay> totem cant play mpg's since when!!!
[04:59] <Adonijah> hornbeck, nor was i, the default gnome was a hacked up ugly pos
[04:59] <hornbeck> yeah
[04:59] <jay> mpeg playback not working on ubuntu
[04:59] <sladen> hornbeck: you could try:  deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./
[04:59] <Adonijah> jay, licensing
[04:59] <hornbeck> tseng: I read it
[04:59] <Adonijah> jay, patent restrictions,e tc.
[04:59] <Adonijah> jay, read the faq :)
[05:00] <jay> ah crap
[05:00] <hornbeck> sladen:thanks
[05:00] <jay> :(
[05:00] <Adonijah> Adonijah, you can install vlc from apt though
[05:00] <Adonijah> er...jay
[05:00] <Adonijah> jay, it plays mpegs, you'll have to uncomment restricted/universe tho in /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:00] <toothpick> hmm
[05:00] <sladen> jay: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387
[05:00] <hornbeck> super nice
[05:00] <jay> i did Adon:
[05:00] <Adonijah> jay, vlc plays them just fine here
[05:00] <toothpick> hmm
[05:00] <amit> ok i think im sold on ubuntu....now how do you set up internet in gnome 2.8
[05:00] <Adonijah> amit, you don't do anything
[05:01] <sladen> amit: plug the cable in
[05:01] <Adonijah> amit, can you clarify what you mean by 'setup internet' ?
[05:01] <violajack> Computer > System Configuration > Networking
[05:01] <amit> setting up cable internet
[05:01] <Adonijah> nothing special
[05:01] <violajack> cable should use dhcp and set itself up
[05:02] <sladen> amit: plug the cable in and it should DHCP
[05:02] <amit> cause im sharing it with two computers over a hub...
[05:02] <Adonijah> amit, assuming you have an ethernet based cable modem
[05:02] <toothpick> I added sid sources and now  apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev is working
[05:02] <Adonijah> amit, if it's just a hub, yeah, nothing special
[05:02] <Chriffer> It should have been setup at the first step of the install
[05:02] <Adonijah> amit, done that for a long time under linux w/ rr
[05:03] <toothpick> hmm didn't even have gcc
[05:03] <matthewjs> amit: do you mean you need to set up a router on your computer? if you dont know then ya just plug it in it hsould work
[05:03] <hornbeck> yeah you have to build gcc and g++ yourself
[05:03] <hornbeck> automake
[05:03] <hornbeck> all that
[05:03] <Adonijah> hornbeck, hrm?
[05:03] <Adonijah> hornbeck, oh, on suse personal?
[05:03] <Adonijah> hornbeck, yeah
[05:03] <amit> great man i guess im gonna go with ubuntu....im actually excited...gonna finally convert someone to linux!
[05:03] <hornbeck> adonijah: yeah
[05:04] <Adonijah> hornbeck, like i said, pos
[05:04] <Adonijah> hornbeck, :D
[05:04] <hornbeck> haha
[05:04] <Adonijah> hornbeck, RHEL is the only other distro I really like working on for serious development
[05:04] <Adonijah> hornbeck, very polished, and very well supported, most people can't afford it though
[05:04] <hornbeck> have not tried it
[05:04] <ickyGoat> /away
[05:04] <amit> alright thanks for all your help...i will comeback if there is anything wrong
[05:05] <hornbeck> adonijah, I used suse 9.1 pro for awhile for mono
[05:05] <matthewjs> amit: good luck :0
[05:05] <hornbeck> hated it
[05:05] <Adonijah> yeah, gnome is a second class citizen in suse land for now
[05:05] <toothpick> ok great I was able to make mindless automaton now ;)
[05:05] <toothpick> have a good night all.
[05:05] <matthewjs> is ximian going to update their desktop for gnome 2.8 or wait for 2.10?
[05:06] <Adonijah> hahaha...
[05:06] <Adonijah> probably be 3.0 before they update ;)
[05:06] <Adonijah> j/k
[05:06] <tseng> hahahaha is right
[05:06] <jdub> matthewjs: sounds like their next release will be 2.6
[05:06] <tseng> matthewjs: they are part of novell now, working on suse
[05:06] <micolous> :/
[05:06] <tseng> matthewjs: they sortof mentioned somewhere that they do 2.6 now, and then move on 2.9 internally
[05:07] <matthewjs> hrmmm that sucks
[05:07] <matthewjs> i liked there style
[05:07] <matthewjs> even though it was not that much diff then default gnome
[05:07] <tseng> just use Indubstrial :)
[05:07] <phlaegel> any reason straw is nowhere to be found, even in universe?
[05:07] <tseng> because jdub is still the man
[05:07] <jdub> phlaegel: build issues
[05:07] <tseng> phlaegel: i have blam in my repo
[05:07] <phlaegel> ah
[05:07] <tseng> if you would like.
[05:08] <hornbeck> tseng: thanks for the mono stuff
[05:08] <phlaegel> tseng: yeah, I tried it... I have a big straw setup sitting here though. :-)
[05:08] <tseng> hornbeck: np mate
[05:08] <phlaegel> and yeah, thanks for the mono packages. I need my muine. :-)
[05:08] <Adonijah> matthewjs, when gnome 1.4 was around, ximian gnome was much better, but every since the 2.x series, i've been very happy with RedHat's default gnome setup
[05:08] <Adonijah> matthewjs, ubuntu is the only other distribution i've ever liked the default gnome setup on
[05:09] <Adonijah> matthewjs, i plan to continue using RHEL for my Oracle work (since it's certified, blah, blah, etc.) and ubuntu for all other work and development and personal stuff
[05:09] <ickyGoat> .
[05:09] <tritium> Something I read prior to the release mentioned ubuntu would have bootsplash kernels.  Is that planned for the future?
[05:10] <matthewjs> ya im going to use this too for my laptop instead of gentoo, now if i only could get suspend to disk to work i would be all set
[05:10] <jdub> tritium: no, not bootsplash.
[05:10] <jdub> tritium: we'll have something seriously sweet for Hoary (see the wiki for details)
[05:10] <tritium> jdub: thanks, I'll check it out
[05:13] <ickyGoat> I'm about to install PowerPC version on G5 Mac.  Any Gotchas?
[05:13] <hornbeck> is there a sound recording so I can hear the correct way to say Ubuntu
[05:13] <tritium> ah, userspace splash
[05:13] <jdub> ickyGoat: you should be okay - used linux before on it?
[05:13] <phlaegel> ooboontoo
[05:13] <ickyGoat> ooboontoo
[05:13] <jdub> hornbeck: i'm actually doing one now ;)
[05:13] <hornbeck> jdub: nice
[05:14] <micolous> jdub, do it in a nice swedish/finnish accent ;)
[05:14] <jdub> but yes, it's OOOH-BOON-TOO
[05:14] <jdub> like ooh ooh ooh :)
[05:14] <ickyGoat> i have Yelow dog linux running no prob. It is a Red Hat derivative though
[05:14] <tritium> "This is Jeff Waugh, and I pronounce ubuntu as..."
[05:14] <micolous> yup (:
[05:14] <punkass> anyone used wlandetect before?
[05:14] <jdub> ickyGoat: ok, so you should know about problem hardware, etc. :)
[05:15] <daniels> my eyes
[05:15] <ickyGoat> yah, right  :->
[05:15] <daniels> ickyGoat: please get rid of the blinking black-on-yellow!
[05:15] <ickyGoat> blinking?  Gosh    OK
[05:16] <ickyGoat> how's that?
[05:16] <micolous> argh.
[05:16] <micolous> black on black =\
[05:16] <daniels> (having no colour altogether works just fine)
[05:16] <sladen> ickyGoat: is that black on black now?
[05:16] <ickyGoat> Grrr  Howls that
[05:16] <hornbeck> better
[05:16] <jdub> ickyGoat: turn colour off entirely :)
[05:16] <sladen> ickyGoat: that's bold, please turn it off
[05:16] <jdub> everyone else, filter colours out :)
[05:17] <sladen> jdub: that doesn't solve the root cause
[05:17] <ickyGoat> shouldn't be bold
[05:17] <sladen> ickyGoat: *IT IS*
[05:17] <micolous> it's not bold here.
[05:17] <ickyGoat> Grrr hol don
[05:17] <ickyGoat> this shud be bold
[05:17] <sladen> micolous: Xirc on MacOS
[05:18] <punkass> anyone know of a gui for starting wlan0 and entering WEP key etc
[05:18] <ickyGoat> this should be not bolded
[05:18] <micolous> sladen, ah, a xirc code...
[05:18] <micolous> ickyGoat, that's correct
[05:18] <Adonijah> whoa, that's some bright yellow text
[05:19] <ickyGoat> geee   tnX
[05:19] <daniels> ickyGoat: thankyou
[05:19] <micolous> my sunglasses broke :(
[05:19] <tritium> That's it for me.  Good night...
[05:19] <micolous> g'night tr
[05:19] <|Q|> lifeless - poke...
[05:19] <ickyGoat> buy Okley Glasses.  No Break
[05:20] <micolous> can i run over okley glasses with a road train and they'll still be in one piece? ;)  all sunglasses will break
[05:21] <matthewjs> does anyone know if you can compile qbasic programs in linux?
[05:21] <ickyGoat> no prob. the arms break away.  just snap them together.  Guarenteed
[05:21] <ickyGoat> $300.00
[05:21] <sladen> ickyGoat: you seem to have descended to black on black again
[05:22] <nbcthreat> anyone up?
[05:22] <ickyGoat> NOW I GOT TO GET DOWN AND DIRTY WITH XIRC  NACK SOON
[05:22] <Adonijah> there ya go
[05:22] <sladen> ickyGoat: *BOLD*
[05:22] <nbcthreat> ah, hello
[05:22] <Adonijah> it's not bold here
[05:22] <micolous> matthewjs, just googling, smallbasic may work: http://smallbasic.sourceforge.net/
[05:23] <matthewjs> micolous: tried that didnt work, i only need it for school, and right now im using a dos emulator and it kinda sucks
[05:24] <subterrific> wooo, i think i finally got the ubuntu kernel compiling with new ALSA
[05:24] <hornbeck> goodnight all, see you tomorrow
[05:24] <Adonijah> that's the fourth time today firefox spontaneously closed
[05:24] <Adonijah> how annoying
[05:24] <ickyGoat> Ok,  how's that now?
[05:24] <tseng> better, ta
[05:24] <micolous> matthewjs, i have the same problem, we use a really old IDE, sometimes i need to run it... it doesn't work in dosemu properly, so maybe if you setup a small qemu image with msdos in it?
[05:25] <micolous> (really old IDE for school)
[05:25] <ickyGoat> i took a baseball bat to Xirc.  it lik eme now!!!
[05:25] <Adonijah> matthewjs, http://sdlbasic.sourceforge.net/
[05:25] <micolous> ickyGoat, great! (:
[05:25] <Adonijah> matthewjs, and there's a nother i'm trying to remember
[05:26] <ickyGoat> any Mac users here?
[05:26] <violajack> yup
[05:26] <violajack> ibook
[05:27] <ickyGoat> what are you guys using for irc client
[05:27] <violajack> gaim
[05:27] <tseng> irssi
[05:27] <Adonijah> matthewjs, http://wxbasic.sourceforge.net/
[05:27] <sladen> ickyGoat: I believe jdub was saying that he was doing a PPC G5 install just when you first asked
[05:27] <micolous> i use shadowirc on my mac
[05:27] <Adonijah> ickyGoat, xchat ;D
[05:27] <micolous> xchat doesn't work on my mac... it's pre-OSX :(
[05:28] <ickyGoat> Hmmmm Xchat....must look into that
[05:28] <sladen> ickyGoat: about half the developers have phat PowerBooks (had?, three got nicked), so it should likely work
[05:28] <Adonijah> ickyGoat, www.xchat.org
[05:28] <timello> Hi there! I finish to upgrade ubuntu now, but when I login into gnome, it doesnt work very well, it miss icons and show any errors, idea?
[05:28] <ickyGoat> tnX
[05:28] <Adonijah> timello, upgrade ubuntu?
[05:28] <Adonijah> timello, are you using your old home directory?
[05:28] <timello> sorry, install I mean
[05:28] <Adonijah> timello, or a clean new one?
[05:29] <matt2> yep xchat here too
[05:29] <sladen> timello: could you provide a screenshot ?
[05:29] <timello> sure
[05:29] <timello> just a minute
[05:29] <Adonijah> matthewjs, bwbasic and yabasic are in apt as well
[05:30] <Adonijah> ickyGoat, http://xchataqua.sourceforge.net/
[05:30] <ickyGoat> how do you lik eXchat?
[05:31] <Adonijah> i've used it for a long time, it's a very simple graphical irc client and since it runs under windows, linux, os x, etc. it makes it convenient for me to dual-boot and be able to use the same prog
[05:32] <tseng> can the install cd resize ext3?
[05:32] <tseng> sorry for not looking myself
[05:33] <jsubl2> i don't know but i think you need qparted for that
[05:34] <lifeless> |Q|: poke
[05:35] <timello> I have a screenshot with errors, maybe I make something wrong?
[05:35] <sladen> timello: how is the screenshot wrong?
[05:38] <mousematt> hi
[05:38] <micolous> hi
[05:39] <micolous> is linux-wlan-ng installed by default in ubuntu?
[05:40] <BluMax> .
[05:44] <ickyGoat> ok, downloaded & installed Xchat.  I'll see what it i slike.
[05:44] <hermes88> hey, anyone have some weird mouse problems with Ubuntu?  like single-clicks being interpreted as double-clicks?
[05:45] <Adonijah> hermes88, yes, known bug
[05:45] <Adonijah> hermes88, remove "Generic Mouse" and all references to it from /etc/X11/XF86Config
[05:45] <Adonijah> hermes88, that will fix it
[05:45] <ickyGoat> maybe change click sensitivity
[05:45] <Adonijah> hermes88, you'll have to restart X of course after changing the config file
[05:45] <micolous> ah the mouse is in twice?
[05:45] <Adonijah> :)
[05:45] <hermes88> THANKS adonijah..  i've been trying to find an answer to that question all day!
[05:45] <Adonijah> hermes88, :D
[05:46] <Adonijah> micolous, yes, once as generic mouse, and second time as "configured mouse"
[05:46] <timello> here it is a screenshot http://201.7.44.111/Screenshot-1.png
[05:46] <Adonijah> timello, you need a faster connection ;D
[05:46] <timello> :(
[05:46] <micolous> yeah, you do :P
[05:46] <timello> ;)
[05:46] <Adonijah> there we go
[05:47] <Adonijah> timello, what language and keyboard setup did you pick during install?
[05:47] <timello> idea?
[05:47] <micolous> i had that problem on gonme 2.6
[05:47] <Adonijah> timello, are you using a home directory from another distro or another version of gnome?
[05:47] <hermes88> Adonijah, what should I replace "Generic Mouse" with?
[05:47] <Adonijah> hermes88, nothing
[05:47] <hermes88> or should I delete it altogether?
[05:47] <Adonijah> hermes88, trash it
[05:47] <micolous> i removed all the gnome and gconf .folders and restarted gnome
[05:47] <Adonijah> hermes88, "configured mouse" should be there already
[05:47] <Adonijah> hermes88, and should be the "correct" entry for it to use
[05:47] <Adonijah> hermes88, you should be able to logout of X after making the change
[05:48] <micolous> and then gnome nicely reset itself, and worked
[05:48] <Adonijah> hermes88, and then do a ctrl-backspace to kill the server and restart it
[05:48] <hermes88> I see, so I should delete the entire section of Generic Mouse?
[05:48] <Adonijah> hermes88, er...ctrl-alt-backspace
[05:48] <Adonijah> hermes88, yes, and you'll have to remove the reference to it at the bottom of the file in the serverlayout section as well
[05:48] <hermes88> adonijah, thanks a lot :-)
[05:49] <Adonijah> timello, well?
[05:49] <timello> yeah, but in the first time, when I log in nothing happend, gnome doens't show.
[05:50] <micolous> does python-newt usually take ages to install?
[05:50] <timello> Adonijah, I'll make a test, I try to remove .gnome* and start again...
[05:54] <hermes88> woot, mouse works normally now
[05:55] <hermes88> now I got a new problem..  does anyone elses RhythmBox lose its library every time the computer is rebooted?
[05:55] <Adonijah> hermes88, only if the path I imported from isn't mounted when I boot already
[05:55] <Adonijah> hermes88, otherwise, no
[05:56] <hermes88> Adonijah: maybe it was a one-time glitch or something.  i'll reboot later and test it out
[05:58] <Adonijah> g'night all
[06:06] <matt2> hermes88: did you fix your mouse problem yet?
[06:06] <matt2> Cause I saw a fix for it
[06:06] <matt2> oh shit.. missed him again lol
[06:06] <micolous> matt2, remove the entry for "generic mouse"
[06:06] <micolous> and it's entry in the layout
[06:07] <matt2> micolous: Nono.. I don't have a problem, he did.
[06:07] <matt2> but thanks 
[06:07] <micolous> ah
[06:07] <micolous> k
[06:07] <micolous> yeah he fixed it
[06:07] <matt2> yeah, just read that. Good stuff
[06:08] <micolous> i wish this install would hurry up.. i have to go out and i want my laptop working with ubuntu (:
[06:12] <subterrific> mdz: are you around? i think i've got a patch ready that adds the new alsa
[06:13] <mdz> I am
[06:14] <subterrific> hey, i used the latest stable ALSA patch and then I added the driver in that i needed
[06:14] <subterrific> it compiled into a .deb
[06:15] <subterrific> however, it didn't boot because it said it couldn't mount my root drive :\
[06:15] <ickyGoat> .
[06:16] <subterrific> i think i didn't compile reiserfs into the kernel
[06:17] <ickyGoat> .
[06:17] <subterrific> actually, my current kernel has reiserfs as a module, hrm
[06:18] <subterrific> how does that work?
[06:18] <ickyGoat> .
[06:20] <subterrific> oh
[06:21] <subterrific> it didn't build the initrd...
[06:26] <mdz> subterrific: it builds the initrd when you install it
[06:26] <mdz> subterrific: did you build it using the linux-source deb or the source package?
[06:26] <mdz> if you used the deb, you need to remember to use make-kpkg --initrd
[06:28] <subterrific> mdz: just noticed i forgot --initrd, rebuilding now. thx
[06:29] <mousematt> is there anyone here who uses ubuntu ppc?
[06:29] <mdz> yes
[06:29] <jdub> yeah
[06:29] <jdub> yo mdz
[06:29] <mousematt> have you got sleep/suspend modes to work on ur ibook/powerbook?
[06:29] <mdz> subterrific: I used to forget that all the time; you can add it to /etc/kernel-pkg.conf to make it the default
[06:29] <jdub> i do on my bright green toilet seat ibook
[06:29] <mousematt> i have a bright blue one
[06:30] <mousematt> one i close the lid it doesnt go to sleep
[06:30] <mdz> mine is a desktop; I don't know if it even tries to sleep
[06:30] <jdub> mousematt: pbbuttonsd is running?
[06:30] <xBejf> hey guys.. I don't want to be a bother.. is there any FAQ/Tutorial on how to get the NVIDIA drivers installed in Ubuntu?
[06:30] <mousematt> yes pbbuttonsd is running
[06:30] <jdub> mousematt: pmu and apm_emu are loaded?
[06:31] <subterrific> xBejf: search for nvidia in synaptic
[06:31] <subterrific> install the kernel module and glx
[06:31] <mousematt> pmu booted with a permission error - it said it belonged to root so i changed its permission to global
[06:31] <subterrific> edit your XF86Config to use the nvidia driver
[06:31] <xBejf> there is nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-kernel-source
[06:31] <xBejf> I installed them both
[06:32] <xBejf> along with nvidia-glx
[06:32] <subterrific> and add nvidia to /etc/modules
[06:32] <jdub> mousematt: that only affects brightness setting in gnome ;)
[06:32] <xBejf> I didn't dot hat
[06:32] <xBejf> do that
[06:32] <mousematt> thats not a problem then.... 
[06:32] <jdub> xBejf: did you install linux-restricted-modules-* for your kernel?
[06:32] <jdub> mousematt: mmm, not sure
[06:32] <jdub> mousematt: which model do you have? the one with firewire, or dvd, or neither?
[06:32] <subterrific>         Identifier      "NVIDIA Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 420] "
[06:32] <subterrific>         Driver          "nvidia"
[06:32] <subterrific>         Option          "NvAGP"         "2"
[06:32] <subterrific>         Option          "RenderAccel"   "true"
[06:32] <subterrific> EndSection
[06:33] <subterrific> whoops
[06:33] <subterrific> that should have been in a msg
[06:33] <subterrific> my bad
[06:33] <mousematt> i have an indigo ibook (firewire)
[06:33] <mousematt> it worked fine with sarge
[06:33] <xBejf> looks like I have linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-2-386.. which should be the right one (it's installed)
[06:33] <mousematt> although i did install powerprefs
[06:34] <mousematt> anythoughts jdub?
[06:35] <jdub> hrm, no
[06:36] <mousematt> ok
[06:36] <mousematt> thanks anyway
[06:36] <mousematt> i will try and remember what i needed to do to my sarge install to make this work
[06:36] <mousematt> what gen is ur lime toilet seat?
[06:36] <mousematt> 266Mhz with DVD?
[06:36] <mousematt> 466Mhz sorry
[06:37] <jdub> 366+firewire
[06:38] <mousematt> same gen as mine
[06:38] <jomohke_> In terms of linux compatibility, is it worth looking at sony laptops?
[06:38] <djempak> jomohke_, I believe there's a website that rates the compatibility of laptops
[06:38] <djempak> let me check for the URL
[06:39] <djempak> http://www.linux-laptop.net/ << jomohke_, there
[06:39] <jomohke_> thanks.
[06:39] <djempak> np
[06:41] <jomohke_> Hm. The particular laptop page is in french.
[06:42] <djempak> ah, maybe altavista can translate the page
[06:42] <WareHajime> Has anyone gotten their ATI drivers to work in ubuntu?
[06:44] <mousematt> they worked out of the box for my G3 ibook
[06:44] <mousematt> although its only a rage 128
[06:45] <WareHajime> I have some bad luck then , I have no direct rendering with it.
[06:47] <bolivar> mousematt: ive been looking at an 12" ibook g4...would be my first mac and dont know what a good amount of ram is...what are your thoughts for email\web
[06:49] <subterrific> bolivar: 512mb min
[06:49] <subterrific> more if you can afford it
[06:49] <subterrific> OS X is a ram eating monster
[06:50] <WareHajime> Anyone know a good/powerful yet affordable nvidia ? 
[06:50] <subterrific> ti4200 is good if you can find one
[06:50] <subterrific> about $65 for mine, 6 months ago, and it runs doom3
[06:50] <subterrific> under wine
[06:50] <subterrific> and its playable
[06:50] <bolivar> subterrific: did you get the apple care warranty? did you ever use it overseas?
[06:50] <WareHajime> That's suppose to be near and better than the ATI 9600 Pro which i have =/
[06:52] <subterrific> bolivar: i did not get apple care because it was a company bought laptop and i never used it overseas, but i would definitely recommend getting apple care
[06:52] <bolivar> warehajime: i would check the most recent tomshardware mass video card review and see what performs better and check the price
[06:52] <JanneM> the cult of mac :)
[06:53] <subterrific> ibook have a bad reputation for breaking
[06:53] <subterrific> everyone i know has had to send theirs back to apple for repairs
[06:53] <bolivar> oh thats bad then
[06:53] <jomohke_> Not really.
[06:53] <WareHajime> Thank you bolivar.
[06:53] <bolivar> warehajime: no problem.  thats what i do anyway.  i hope that helps
[06:54] <subterrific> bolivar: well they're great when you get a good one, but there seem to have been a lot of lemons
[06:54] <subterrific> bad battery problems, bad logic boards are the two major ones i remember
[06:54] <jomohke_> Apple usually fixed that though, didn't they?
[06:55] <subterrific> well yeah, they fix it, but you have to send them your laptop
[06:55] <subterrific> we went through 6 tibooks at our company too
[06:56] <bolivar> but are they still more reliable than say dell, compaq, gateway?
[06:56] <matt2> What do you guys use for bit torrent?
[06:56] <subterrific> i've been a mac user since 87, and i finally got fed up with apple because of their laptops. it sucks too because they have probably the best laptops
[06:56] <subterrific> bolivar: IBM and Apple make the best laptops
[06:56] <subterrific> i wouldn't even consider any other company
[06:57] <bolivar> i actually did laptop hardware support for ibm...i like them
[06:57] <JanneM> the dell I have has been fairly solid so far
[06:57] <JanneM> I would brefer IBM as well, though
[06:57] <subterrific> bolivar: yeah, my next laptop is going to be an IBM
[06:57] <subterrific> they'll fix anything too
[06:57] <JanneM> they're expensive, though
[06:58] <bolivar> yes they are
[06:58] <subterrific> my friend has spilled coke on his laptop 3 times, and they keep replacing it cause he bought the on-site repair
[06:58] <JanneM> of course, if you are considering a Mac, price may not matter alla that much
[06:58] <bolivar> scary thing is no one ive called but apple can give me a straight answer about overseas warranty
[06:58] <punkass> i have wireless tools installed but wilist does not show up..
[06:59] <tseng> iwlist
[06:59] <deekayen> has alienware outsourced support to India yet?
[06:59] <bolivar> the apple actually comes out cheaper if one considers the level of support you get with applecare
[06:59] <bolivar> they provide shipping from nigeria and back
[07:00] <bolivar> if needed
[07:00] <bolivar> no one else will touch that
[07:00] <JanneM> bolivar: if you don't get a clear - preferably written - answer, I would assume they won't actually cover it in a reasonable way
[07:00] <punkass> tseng: doh..thanks
[07:01] <bolivar> the lady at apple said...if someone cant get to you we ship it in country, if they cant fix it in country we send it back to the usa, everything is paid, not matter how many times by apple
[07:01] <bolivar> thats hard to beat if true
[07:01] <mojo> hello all Ubuntu users
[07:01] <bolivar> thats why ive been trying to find someone whos used that service
[07:01] <mojo> I'm just a noob in Debian world
[07:01] <mojo> I hope ppl can help me
[07:02] <bolivar> hi mojo
[07:02] <mojo> I don't know how to install Deb file
[07:02] <bolivar> with apt?
[07:02] <mojo> can someone show me how
[07:02] <mojo> apt?
[07:02] <bolivar> is it a true debian package?
[07:02] <mojo> never used b4 - I just use RPM all the time
[07:02] <mojo> yes
[07:02] <mojo> filename.deb
[07:03] <mojo> can u show me the syntax?
[07:03] <bolivar> is ubuntu installed?
[07:03] <mojo> yes
[07:03] <mojo> apt --? filename.deb????
[07:03] <bolivar> click computer, system configuration, synaptic
[07:03] <mojo> ok
[07:03] <mojo> next?
[07:04] <bolivar> should get a box for your user password
[07:04] <bolivar> enter that
[07:04] <mojo> yup
[07:04] <bolivar> click refresh in the upper right
[07:04] <mojo> yes
[07:05] <mojo> done
[07:05] <bolivar> make sure the package isnt available here first
[07:05] <bolivar> a package compiled for debian proper isnt recommended
[07:05] <mojo> yes
[07:05] <bolivar> you found it?
[07:05] <mojo> nope
[07:05] <mojo> ah
[07:05] <mojo> u don't get me
[07:06] <mojo> I just get cedega debian package from their websitew
[07:06] <mojo> now I just want to install them
[07:06] <tseng> dpkg -i cedega.dev
[07:06] <tseng> deb
[07:06] <mojo> oh
[07:06] <mojo> thx
[07:06] <mojo> thx
[07:06] <tseng> nps
[07:07] <bolivar> i just thought it best that you look in the ubuntu repos first
[07:07] <mojo> I can't get to root
[07:07] <mojo> to install the thing
[07:07] <bolivar> sudo
[07:07] <tseng> bolivar: ...
[07:07] <bolivar> yes tseng?
[07:07] <tseng> bolivar: cedega = winex
[07:07] <tseng> you only get the package from them
[07:07] <bolivar> gotcha
[07:07] <punkass> they still charging for it?
[07:07] <mojo> tseng: I've never used sudo b4
[07:08] <tseng> ya
[07:08] <tseng> mojo: its easy
[07:08] <phlaegel> sudo dpkg -i filename
[07:08] <tseng> sudo <command>
[07:08] <mojo> tseng: can u show me step by step
[07:08] <cgdef> this is kinda embaracing but I just installed ubunty and I don't remember it asking me for a root password
[07:08] <mojo> oh
[07:08] <mojo> that easy
[07:08] <cgdef> is there a default one?
[07:08] <mojo> let me try
[07:08] <tseng> cgdef: no
[07:08] <tseng> there is no root user
[07:08] <tseng> use sudo
[07:08] <cgdef> oh man
[07:08] <punkass> everything is sudo and your own password
[07:08] <tseng> you should do that anyway
[07:08] <tseng> on any distro
[07:09] <phlaegel> it's good practice, but most people are too lazy to set it up. ubuntu starts you off that way, and it's a good thing.
[07:09] <mdz> there is a root user; it simply has a disabled password by default
[07:09] <mojo> tseng: fail, it said "status database area is locked by another process"
[07:09] <cgdef> ok is there a way to reset the root password
[07:09] <mdz> mojo: you still have synaptic open
[07:09] <mojo> tseng: Im running Synaptic rite now
[07:09] <mdz> cgdef: FAQ
[07:09] <tseng> yeah
[07:09] <mojo> oh!
[07:09] <mojo> oh! thx ^o^
[07:10] <cgdef> btw ubuntu is awsome props for whoever thought it out :)
[07:10] <mojo> I begin to love Ubuntu more than Fedora CORE 2, Ubuntu is fast and now I have chance to know how the Debian geeks like
[07:11] <cgdef> well I was using Slackware up untill now
[07:11] <mojo> tseng: are there Deb package for Flash? or I have to use tgz package
[07:11] <cgdef> the BSD init is faster but not worth dealing with the rest of the crap :(
[07:12] <tseng> mojo: no idea
[07:12] <cgdef> mojo I believe there is binary install file for Flash
[07:12] <cgdef> works on every distro
[07:12] <mojo> u know where?
[07:12] <mojo> I know the binary tgz from official website
[07:12] <cgdef> flash.com
[07:13] <cgdef> yeah same thing
[07:13] <mdz> cgdef: thanks for the praise
[07:13] <cgdef> np
[07:13] <mojo> but I'm looking for deb one, so later I can use on my sister PC, I'm going to storm on her PC, all Windows to Linux, must be fun
[07:14] <swan_> libflash0   ?
[07:14] <subterrific> mdz: ok, got my kernel built with initrd this time...rebooting
[07:14] <mojo> tseng: will next version ship HelixPlayer?
[07:14] <punkass> ok just having an issue with the lid of my laptop..
[07:15] <punkass> when i close it the backlite stays on and when i reopen it all i am left with is a blank screen
[07:15] <punkass> with a flashing cursor
[07:15] <tseng> mojo: it will ship some movie player that doesnt suck
[07:15] <tseng> mojo: TBA
[07:15] <mojo> tseng: TBA???
[07:15] <tseng> to be announced
[07:15] <tseng> its not decided which one sucks least.
[07:16] <mojo> oh
[07:16] <punkass> i have to say the new realplayer10 is actually pretty good..tho i dont think it uses alsa
[07:16] <cgdef> ok if the root acount is disabled when you first install would setting a password for it enable the account or you have to do something else?
[07:16] <cgdef> the FAQ is not very clear about that
[07:16] <jdub> cgdef: use sudo
[07:17] <mojo> tseng: is the Solitaire on GNOME 2.8 use Vector GFX yet? The card pic in my PC is blurred
[07:17] <tseng> no most of the games arent entirely svg yet
[07:17] <mojo> i see
[07:18] <mojo> tseng: I found kernel-nvidia common in Synaptic, so do I need to download pkg from nvidia.com?
[07:19] <tseng> no
[07:19] <tseng> its in an ubuntu mirror
[07:19] <tseng> i did apt-get install nvidia-glx
[07:19] <mojo> oh
[07:19] <punkass> i couldnt find nvidia-glx earlier
[07:19] <mojo> let me try
[07:19] <WareHajime> It sucks ATi doesn't make good drivers for Linux.
[07:20] <mojo> tseng: is that the lastest version? Do I need to conf Xfree86-4.conf?
[07:20] <WareHajime> I want an nvidia now :(
[07:20] <punkass> a friend of mine was installing it and i told him to get it and it kept saying it wasnt there
[07:20] <tseng> ...
[07:20] <tseng> mojo: yes
[07:20] <punkass> so i looked on the ftp site and couldnt find it either
[07:20] <wm_eddie> I was pretty impressed when I installed ati's drivers on my roommates computer today.
[07:20] <tseng> need to change driver "nv" to driver "nvidia"
[07:20] <matt2> Lol I'm still running a gf3.. so sad, but at least the drivers WORK
[07:20] <WareHajime> I dunno how you got it to work then wm_eddie.
[07:20] <wm_eddie> (specifically the xf86Config configuration program.
[07:20] <WareHajime> if you can help me that be generous I can't get it to work at all in ubuntu.
[07:21] <wm_eddie> It was really straight forward, but he wasn't using ubuntu...
[07:21] <WareHajime> =/ I got it to work in Slackware 10
[07:21] <elmaya> where do i change the runlevel for not to start gdm at boot?
[07:21] <punkass> when i power down i get: acip_power_off called and it just sits there
[07:21] <punkass> acpi*
[07:22] <WareHajime> wm_eddie: I do agree they do run smoothly though.
[07:22] <wm_eddie> I wonder why 2.4's apm works on my laptop, but not 2.6's
[07:23] <subterrific> wooo
[07:23] <subterrific> i have sound!
[07:23] <punkass> anythougts?
[07:23] <punkass> any thoughts?*
[07:24] <subterrific> mdz: want this kernel patch for testing? its working great. it auto loaded the driver at boot and everything
[07:24] <whiprush> man I love ubuntu, everything is working so well.
[07:24] <elmaya> almost.. everything
[07:25] <matt2> what's not?
[07:25] <elmaya> i have issues with my sound card
[07:25] <subterrific> elmaya: what card?
[07:25] <matt2> =(
[07:26] <wm_eddie> ubuntu works awesome... except apm and sound...
[07:26] <wm_eddie> and neither are very fixable :(
[07:26] <matt2> a..p..m?
[07:26] <elmaya> intel8x0 its working now after disabling partport or some module called like that
[07:26] <Dashiva> what's wrong with sound
[07:26] <subterrific> i just patched the ubuntu kernel to use the latest ALSA, which fixes a lot of sound issues
[07:26] <crimsun> elmaya: yep, disable lpt in bios
[07:27] <matt2> My sound worked right off the bat
[07:27] <wm_eddie> lucky...
[07:27] <subterrific> my sound didn't work, but its working now with this patched kernel
[07:27] <subterrific> cat /proc/asound/version
[07:27] <subterrific> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.6 (Sun Aug 15 07:17:53 2004 UTC).
[07:27] <elmaya> but totem keeps saying no /dev/dsp
[07:27] <subterrific> Compiled on Sep 18 2004 for kernel 2.6.8.1.
[07:28] <subterrific> elmaya: that means it didn't load any modules
[07:28] <wm_eddie> elmaya: I get the same problem.
[07:28] <elmaya> xmms works
[07:28] <elmaya> gnixe also
[07:28] <wm_eddie> :(
[07:28] <subterrific> hrm
[07:28] <wm_eddie> Nothing works for me...
[07:28] <Dashiva> oh
[07:28] <wm_eddie> they all say no /dev/dsp...
[07:28] <Dashiva> you need the snd-pcm-oss and snd-seq-oss modules
[07:28] <subterrific> wm_eddie: what sound card?
[07:28] <elmaya> rhytmbox and totem say that
[07:28] <Dashiva> they weren't loaded by default
[07:28] <Dashiva> er aren't
[07:29] <nbcthreat> I'm having difficulty with the 3com "hurricane" combo ethernet card on my IBM X21. Uses the 3c59x module, same as Knoppix, which detects and uses that without any problems. Keeps giving errors on the DHPC command. Any ideas?
[07:29] <m_tthew> wm_eddie it's possible a bug report with lspci -v output would be helpful, if those modules didn't load
[07:29] <Dashiva> they don't load by default
[07:29] <wm_eddie> subterrific: cs4232
[07:29] <crimsun> elmaya: /dev/dsp is oss
[07:29] <crimsun> elmaya: "default" is alsa
[07:29] <Dashiva> you need them in /etc/modules
[07:29] <Dashiva> or else you don't have oss emulation
[07:30] <elmaya> well that kinda sucks hehe
[07:30] <Dashiva> it's a 2 second fix
[07:30] <wm_eddie> I still need to get the stupid java sdk installed on this thing...
[07:31] <jdub> wm_eddie: see the wiki
[07:31] <wm_eddie> On the official site?
[07:31] <subterrific> jdub: who do i submit kernel patches to? mdz?
[07:31] <daniels> subterrific: bugzilla
[07:31] <jdub> subterrific: bugzilla or -devel would probably be best
[07:31] <subterrific> k
[07:33] <whiprush> is there a ubuntu-specific howto for nvidia drivers?
[07:34] <elmaya> brb
[07:34] <whiprush> nm found it on the list
[07:34] <DimSum> Sigh, fucking Orinoco shite.
[07:34] <wm_eddie> does ubuntu have a kernel-source package?
[07:34] <DimSum> wm_eddie: Yeah, somewhere.
[07:35] <DimSum> Although even if you install it, the orinoco driver gives you a "Kernel source not configured" error
[07:35] <DimSum> Hence why I'm so pissed off
[07:35] <crimsun> wm_eddie: apt-cache search kernel-source
[07:35] <phlaegel> linux-source as well
[07:35] <DimSum> Ah yes, that's what it's called
[07:35] <DimSum> linux-source
[07:35] <wm_eddie> ah ok
[07:36] <matt2> mmmmmm dimsum
[07:36] <matt2> the food
[07:36] <matt2> haha
[07:36] <DimSum> I'm still trying to work out who I should stab; Ubuntu for not having the Orinoco patch installed by default, or Orinoco_cs for not making decent FUCKING patches or whatever
[07:36] <wm_eddie> man this gnome 2.8 is awesome
[07:37] <matt2> gnome 2.8 owns me
[07:37] <DimSum> Or, instead of those two, the goddamn Kismet and Airsnort developers for not making Win32 versions that actually work
[07:37] <DimSum> Yeah, Gnome 2.8 looks okay
[07:37] <wm_eddie> what!?! what happened with orinoco?
[07:37] <DimSum> That Spatial Nautilus shite still needs to fuck off though :\
[07:37] <matt2> what the hell is orinoco?
[07:37] <wm_eddie> wireless card.
[07:37] <matt2> DimSum, you can change it dude..
[07:37] <DimSum> Orinoco = Wi-fi protocols
[07:37] <phlaegel> spatial rules
[07:37] <DimSum> er
[07:37] <DimSum> *chipsets
[07:37] <DimSum> matt2: Yes, I know
[07:37] <DimSum> But it shouldn't be default
[07:37] <matt2> who cares? it's not hard to change..
[07:38] <DimSum> Doesn't matter
[07:38] <deekayen> i use the old gnome 2.4 nautilus settings in new nautilus
[07:38] <DimSum> Anyway, the package manager on Unbuntu needs work
[07:38] <wm_eddie> I kind of like it.
[07:38] <DimSum> It's ass-hard to see which packages to install for development
[07:38] <matt2> I'm starting to like it though.. When I don't want a new window I middle click, when I do I normal click. 
[07:38] <DimSum> ...
[07:38] <DimSum> You do realise that in Windows 95, the default behaviour was "spatial"
[07:38] <whiprush> windows 95 wasn't spatial.
[07:38] <matt2> Lol dude you're so lame
[07:38] <DimSum> Yes it was
[07:38] <phlaegel> single click make spatial nicer as well
[07:38] <whiprush> ^^^
[07:39] <DimSum> And Microsoft ran a $250,000 usability study
[07:39] <phlaegel> win95 was broken spatial at best
[07:39] <tseng> DimSum: that wasnt even close to spatial
[07:39] <djempak> DimSum, uh... so you're telling us that you used Windows 95 for a long time?
[07:39] <djempak> you must've liked it
[07:39] <DimSum> When IE4 was released, which added single-window browsing, and it was determined that users found the single-window per session interface much more usabl
[07:39] <tseng> im not sure where youre getting your facts
[07:39] <DimSum> djempak: Sure, I used it until 2K came out
[07:40] <nbcthreat> can someone help me with an ethernet driver issue?
[07:40] <tseng> ie4 was awful
[07:40] <djempak> DimSum, you sure it was a computer... and not you dreaming?
[07:40] <phlaegel> double-clicking is straight from the devil anyway :-)
[07:40] <DimSum> ...
[07:40] <matt2> lol
[07:40] <DimSum> djempak, have you ever even used Windows?
[07:40] <crimsun> there's one difference: spatial for nautilus is much more intelligent
[07:40] <DimSum> No, don't answer that
[07:40] <DimSum> crimsun: Erm, how so? It opens new folders in new windows
[07:40] <whiprush> use what you want
[07:40] <wm_eddie> What nautilus needs is to be more like rox-filer
[07:40] <djempak> tseng, good thinking
[07:40] <phlaegel> wm_eddie: it's getting there all the time.
[07:41] <crimsun> DimSum: win95 didn't remember placement/position within each window
[07:41] <DimSum> crimsun: Yes it did
[07:41] <crimsun> i don't know what version of win95 you used then.
[07:41] <phlaegel> first spatial, now the list of apps on the context menu of files... hello rox.
[07:41] <subterrific> k
[07:41] <wm_eddie> or perhaps a way to go up (back) one level with the mouse (for when I use the middle button)
[07:41] <subterrific> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1435
[07:41] <DimSum> crimsun: Windows 95 C
[07:41] <subterrific> bug submitted
[07:41] <phlaegel> (rox isn't really spatial, but whatever)
[07:41] <DimSum> Well, I used B for a while, but then moved to C when it came out
[07:42] <djempak> DimSum, win95 didn't add the information of the client statistics to a database
[07:42] <crimsun> i have to agree with whiprush; this is moot.
[07:42] <punkass> when i select reboot machine..it reboot fine, but when i shutdown its sits at acpi_power_down called..why is that?
[07:42] <DimSum> djempak: Your point?
[07:42] <wm_eddie> rox isn't spatial at all.. I think...
[07:42] <DimSum> The overall experience is the same as Windows 95's Explorer
[07:42] <djempak> DimSum, making sure you weren't talking nonsense ;p
[07:42] <wm_eddie> but I like it.
[07:43] <DimSum> Something which was god-awful, and was disabled by default as soon as IE4 with Active Desktop was released
[07:43] <djempak> not from what I have experienced
[07:43] <whiprush> I swear, I'm pretty sure this discussion has nothing to do with ubuntu
[07:43] <tseng> active desktop was the worst
[07:43] <tseng> point to select
[07:43] <DimSum> Oh god.
[07:43] <phlaegel> wm_eddie: no, but it's not that far off. all it really needs is for the remember settings feature to really work, and it would be, I think.
[07:43] <djempak> who cares if it's like the behavior in Windows 95 anyway.
[07:43] <DimSum> tseng: That's wasn't the default behaviour
[07:43] <djempak> whiprush, exactly
[07:43] <crimsun> i like the streamlined menus
[07:43] <tseng> nautilus > win95
[07:43] <tseng> im tired
[07:43] <crimsun> debian's menu system is a bit out of place.
[07:43] <tseng> sleep.
[07:44] <DimSum> djempak: My point is, it's an inefficient interface method, and one which Gnome shouldn't have forced on their users by default
[07:44] <djempak> later tseng 
[07:44] <whiprush> hey wait tseng 
[07:44] <DimSum> But, can we drop this?
[07:44] <whiprush> you have a chance to try ifolder yet?
[07:44] <phlaegel> pointless AND offtopic... isn't that what irc is for? ;-)
[07:44] <tseng> sup whiprush 
[07:44] <whiprush> I want you to like it so you'll package it. :D
[07:44] <djempak> DimSum, then change it. it's simple. if you don't know howto change it, don't use it, don't complain
[07:44] <DimSum> djempak: I have changed it.
[07:44] <tseng> whiprush: like what
[07:44] <djempak> DimSum, then don't complain.
[07:44] <DimSum> That's not the point; the point is that it should be off by default
[07:44] <whiprush> tseng: ifolder.
[07:44] <DimSum> Look, I don't care. Stfu now.
[07:44] <wm_eddie> ahh I have a problem launching synaptic from the menu...
[07:44] <djempak> DimSum, yeah, you really should
[07:45] <DimSum> My problem with Ubuntu is that it doesn't support monitor mode on Orinoco cards
[07:45] <DimSum> And patching the kernel with the Orinoco 0.15RC2 driver is proving to be impossible
[07:45] <tseng> whiprush: oh, right..
[07:45] <tseng> im not even sure what it is
[07:45] <matt2> Wait for an update or find another distro, fuck off
[07:45] <wm_eddie> "Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root: Child terminated with 1 status"
[07:45] <tseng> novell ldap work alike or so
[07:45] <whiprush> it's sharing folders, except over the net.
[07:45] <tseng> oh
[07:45] <whiprush> I'll explain it tomorrow, go sleep. :p
[07:45] <DimSum> matt2: Was that directed at me? :\
[07:45] <matt2> =D
[07:46] <daniels> um, how do you do or clauses in Make?
[07:46] <matt2> DimSum: No
[07:46] <DimSum> Oh, okay, lol
[07:46] <daniels> e.g. ifeq ($(ARCH), i386||x86_64)
[07:46] <elmaya> :(
[07:46] <matt2> easy fellah
[07:46] <mdz> daniels: there's a "string in list of strings" function
[07:46] <wm_eddie> hmm is linux-sources the ubuntu kernel or debian kernel?
[07:47] <mdz> wm_eddie: ubuntu
[07:47] <daniels> mdz: any pointers? :)
[07:47] <mdz> daniels: info make
[07:48] <DimSum> GODDAMN ORINOCO SHITE
[07:48] <mdz> daniels: $(findstring)
[07:48] <daniels> mdz: thanks
[07:48] <tory> what package do I install so that I can get java crap working
[07:48] <daniels> i was just in the middle of downloading make-doc, heh
[07:48] <tory> and which package has win32 codecs?
[07:48] <wm_eddie> ahh where's this wiki someone told me about?
[07:48] <phlaegel> wiki.ubuntu.com
[07:49] <elmaya> wiki wiki
[07:51] <tory> oic, w32codecs = win32 codecs
[07:52] <whiprush> I'
[07:52] <whiprush> I'm using the w32codecs from nerim.net, work fine for me, ymmv though
[07:53] <tory> yeah, I saw your post in Linux Kung Fu
[07:53] <whiprush> cool
[07:53] <whiprush> the flash plugin works also
[07:55] <matt2> out of the box?
[07:56] <phlaegel> firefox 1.0PR installed flash for me... I was impressed.
[07:56] <DimSum> Makefile:35:*** The kernel source is not configured. Stop.
[07:56] <DimSum> Why? What the hell is wrong with this thing?
[07:56] <whiprush> phlaegel: in your profile?
[07:57] <phlaegel> whiprush: yep.
[07:57] <whiprush> pimp.
[07:57] <tory> http://primates.ximian.com/~glesage/stuff/firefox/ <--I found this in the Novell Linux Desktop manual. It's a really nice Industrial theme for Firefox ;)
[07:57] <phlaegel> I was as surprised as anyone.
[07:57] <DimSum> tory: Dead link/empty page
[07:57] <tory> works for me
[07:57] <whiprush> tory: you .... RULE.
[07:58] <tory> whiprush: I don't think we're supposed to have that but whatever :P
[07:58] <whiprush> heh
[07:58] <DimSum> Oh I see, you have to access it with FireFuck
[07:58] <tory> http://www.novell.com/documentation/nld/readme/nld_readme.html the manual is here
[07:58] <jdub> tory: niiiiiice
[07:58] <tory> I've been trying to get into that beta since june
[07:58] <matt2> phlaegel: how do you install firefox 1.0?
[07:58] <whiprush> tory: yeah me too, I keep calling my local novell guy
[07:59] <whiprush> they say that there will be a public beta for sure though
[07:59] <phlaegel> matt2: I just downloaded, extracted, and ran.
[07:59] <DimSum> Come on, someone here must know what the hell my error message means
[07:59] <matt2> phlaegel: awesome.. thanks
[07:59] <phlaegel> matt2: same way I would have in windows, actually.
[07:59] <tory> whiprush: I was told that the public beta would be out in August. Then I read an article where Christ Stone said that the beta wouldn't come out :(
[07:59] <tory> Chris
[07:59] <DimSum> "Makefile:35:*** The kernel source is not configured. Stop."
[07:59] <whiprush> :(
[07:59] <DimSum> I just installed the goddamn source
[07:59] <whiprush> "The final release of NLD will default to using the k3b CD and DVD burning application."
[07:59] <phlaegel> DimSum: did you configure it?
[07:59] <DimSum> So why doesn't it work?
[07:59] <whiprush> interesting
[08:00] <DimSum> phlaegel: Define "configure" it
[08:00] <phlaegel> make menuconfig/xconfig/gconfig etc.
[08:00] <tory> I emailed some lady at novell and she said that I should just keep trying
[08:00] <tory> I'm really happy with ubuntu though
[08:00] <DimSum> Oh, no
[08:00] <DimSum> I figured I'd have to install the driver patch first
[08:00] <phlaegel> DimSum: it needs a config file to know what to build
[08:01] <jdub> phlaegel: what do you want to build a kernel for?
[08:01] <phlaegel> jdub: I don't. DimSum seems to want to.
[08:01] <jdub> ahr
[08:02] <DimSum> phlaegel: Yes, but I'm not trying to build the source
[08:02] <DimSum> Just the driver
[08:02] <phlaegel> I'm just pointing at the hammer, not doing the breaking ;-)
[08:02] <wm_eddie> that theme rules!
[08:02] <DimSum> Configured it, still doesn't work.
[08:02] <jdub> DimSum: which driver?
[08:02] <matt2> phlaegel: when I go to install I get "couldn't load xpistub library.. any idea?
[08:02] <DimSum> Orinoco 0.15RC2
[08:03] <DimSum> Need to put the card into Monitor Mode
[08:03] <wm_eddie> man, when I boot into 2.4 my mouse no longer works.
[08:03] <wm_eddie> hmm...
[08:03] <phlaegel> matt2: install what? firefox? don't run the installer... just run it.
[08:03] <matt2> phlaegel: so I have to extract it to my current firefox dir?
[08:04] <phlaegel> matt2: no, extract it wherever you like, and run the script named firefox in that dir
[08:04] <phlaegel> I keep it in ~/local/firefox, so I run ~/local/firefox/firefox to open it
[08:05] <matt2> Hmm.. maybe I need a different file? Mine only has the installers when I extract
[08:05] <phlaegel> ah. then you should download the installerless version :-)
[08:05] <DimSum> That's it, it's time to committ suicide.
[08:05] <matt2> errr okkk if I can find it =D
[08:05] <DimSum> *comitt
[08:06] <whiprush> I keep mine in ~firefox and then put that dir in .hidden so it doesn't get in my way.
[08:06] <phlaegel> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/0.10/
[08:06] <whiprush> dude I found this extension that puts play buttons and stuff on the bottom bar in firefox
[08:07] <whiprush> controls rhythmbox and everything
[08:07] <phlaegel> woohoo... play buttons everywhere!! ;-)
[08:08] <matt2> ahah thx phlaegel.. now I'll see if this works
[08:08] <whiprush> this industrial skin is sweet, thanks tory
[08:09] <tory> no problem
[08:09] <tory> look at the preferences
[08:09] <tory> it looks so nice
[08:10] <whiprush> yeah I noticed
[08:10] <whiprush> the icons in the menus too, File, etc.
[08:10] <tory> yep
[08:10] <punkass> anyone know the grub syntax to stop apic from loading
[08:11] <punkass> apparently thats my powerdown problem
[08:11] <tory> noapic?
[08:11] <punkass> where tho?
[08:11] <punkass> at the end of the kernel line?
[08:11] <tory> I think so
[08:11] <punkass> ok trying it now
[08:12] <matt2> phlaegel: Success! Thanks.. I like how they got flash right too.. =D
[08:12] <matt2> now I can watch salad fingers
[08:13] <wm_eddie> WHY!
[08:13] <wm_eddie> stupid mouse....
[08:13] <punkass> well that didnt work still get: acpi_power_off called
[08:14] <tory> I'm just searching google for crap
[08:14] <tory> Pass acpi=off noapic nolapic options when booting. ... 
[08:14] <punkass> yeah thats what i hve be doing
[08:14] <tory> oh
[08:14] <punkass> no that...searching google :)
[08:14] <matt2> punkass: Had to re-install.. think you could send me a link to the dvd file once again, worked a charm last time
[08:14] <tory> ah
[08:15] <punkass> one sec
[08:15] <matt2> punkass: Thanks alot bro
[08:15] <punkass> http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvdcss/1.2.8/deb/libdvdcss2_1.2.8-1_i386.deb
[08:15] <punkass> np
[08:15] <matt2> perfect, it's appreciated
[08:15] <tory> does slashdot look screwed up in firefox for anyone else? when the big ad shows up it squishes the articles next to the sections box on the left
[08:16] <whiprush> no problems here
[08:17] <punkass> looks fine here
[08:17] <tory> it must be because I'm using Arial
[08:17] <matt2> try refreshing a bunch of times..
[08:17] <matt2> it seems to go back and forth for me.. weird
[08:17] <tory> matt2: yeah, same for me
[08:17] <phlaegel> happens for me sometimes
[08:17] <tory> when the ad is gone it's fine
[08:17] <matt2> seems pretty random
[08:17] <phlaegel> changing font size helps
[08:17] <punkass> tory: thanks man that nolapic worked like a charm
[08:17] <tory> punkass: cool B)
[08:18] <JanneM> there's a firefox bug for t'it
[08:18] <matt2> it's not that big of a deal.
[08:18] <punkass> yes..now i just have to figure out the close/opening of the lid 
[08:21] <punkass> tory: doh..no with those commands my battery meter doesnt work 
[08:21] <punkass> now*
[08:21] <tory> maybe that's because of the acpi=off thing?
[08:21] <tory> I have no idea :/
[08:22] <punkass> didnt put that one in
[08:25] <matt2> hmmm and now I CAN'T get dvds to play... strange
[08:25] <tory> were they working before
[08:25] <matt2> totally. ANd then I had to re-install when I realized my original image was corrupt
[08:26] <punkass> tory: update: just used nolapic and seems to be fine now
[08:26] <tory> awesome
[08:26] <phlaegel> matt2: have you switched to totem-xine and installed libdvdcss2 since reinstalling?
[08:26] <punkass> indeed
[08:27] <punkass> i bet he forgot totem-xine :)
[08:27] <matt2> punkass: I installed totem-xine but how do I run it? I was using gxine before.. tried it now and nope..
[08:27] <matt2> =D
[08:27] <punkass> you just launch totem
[08:27] <punkass> it will use xine
[08:27] <matt2> god damnit.. that's kinda what I figured
[08:27] <wm_eddie> Ok, if I switch ubuntu to the debian 2.4 kernel I get working apm
[08:28] <wm_eddie> but my mouse doesn't work...
[08:28] <punkass> apm?
[08:28] <wm_eddie> apm is old acpi
[08:28] <punkass> ah right
[08:28] <punkass> what problem are you haveing?
[08:29] <wm_eddie> 2.6's apm doesn't work with my laptop
[08:29] <punkass> well i was just having the same problem
[08:29] <punkass> it wouldnt power down all the way
[08:29] <wm_eddie> 2.4's does, but ubuntu is made for 2.6 and I have all sorts of problems...
[08:29] <punkass> all i had to do was add nolapic to the end of the kernel line in menu.lst
[08:30] <wm_eddie> I'll try that.
[08:30] <wm_eddie> nolapic?
[08:30] <punkass> yup
[08:30] <punkass> tho i am still struggling with the lid..
[08:30] <punkass> OMG!
[08:30] <matt2> hmmmm.. so I dpkg -i the .deb file.. then installed totem-xine. I dunno, seems odd that it doesn't work now
[08:30] <punkass> it fixed the lid problem too! w00t
[08:31] <phlaegel> matt2: which deb file?
[08:31] <matt2> http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvdcss/1.2.8/deb/libdvdcss2_1.2.8-1_i386.deb
[08:32] <matt2> maybe it has wrong permissions now? weird..
[08:32] <tory> why not just "sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2
[08:32] <phlaegel> ah. I just use the marillat source.
[08:32] <matt2> I think I did that as well
[08:32] <matt2> What's marillat?
[08:32] <phlaegel> a source for the packages of questionable legality, like css and mplayer.
[08:33] <matt2> ahhh.. nice
[08:33] <wm_eddie> uhh...
[08:33] <matt2> can't find plugin. i JUST installed it.. stupid program 
[08:33] <wm_eddie> what do you do when your keyboard stopped working...
[08:34] <jdub> wm_eddie: window. unplug. fling!
[08:34] <phlaegel> plug it back in? ;-)
[08:34] <punkass> lol
[08:34] <punkass> was that after the nolapic thing?
[08:34] <wm_eddie> hard to plug laptop keyboards back in.
[08:34] <wm_eddie> punkass: no, I missed it...
[08:34] <punkass> oh
[08:34] <punkass> k
[08:34] <wm_eddie> so I was pressing ctrl+alt+delete...
[08:34] <WareHajime> Has anyone gotten ati radeaons working with ubuntu O.o?
[08:35] <phlaegel> WareHajime: mine just worked
[08:35] <WareHajime> @_@
[08:35] <WareHajime> You got direct rendering to work?
[08:35] <punkass> wm_eddie: can u just reboot?
[08:35] <phlaegel> WareHajime: lemme check... it's in my test box
[08:35] <WareHajime> if you did tell me what method did you use to install.
[08:36] <wm_eddie> yeah, with the power button
[08:36] <matt2> ok so I'm going to reboot.. you never know
[08:36] <WareHajime> I am completely stumped getting the new drivers to work with direct rendering on.
[08:36] <matt2> lol
[08:36] <matt2> brb
[08:37] <neighborlee> anyone know off hand where bittorrent is after apt-get'ing? ;(...its not working in mozilla i'm afraid....
[08:37] <whiprush>  /usr/bin/btdownloadcurses
[08:37] <whiprush> or btdownloadgui
[08:37] <phlaegel> WareHajime: hm, guess not. I didn't think to check it before. :(
[08:37] <whiprush> depending on what you prefer
[08:37] <neighborlee> whiprush, kewl thx!!
[08:37] <wm_eddie> strange the alsa modules seem to be loading correctly...
[08:37] <WareHajime> dope ><
[08:38] <WareHajime> I was starting to have hope when you told me you got it work.
[08:38] <WareHajime> I am leaning more into buying an Nvidia.
[08:38] <phlaegel> it's ati though, so uh, good luck.
[08:38] <phlaegel> I only have that card because it's in a machine I built for windows/games.
[08:38] <WareHajime> That's the same reason I have it but even in windows the drivers have been ticking me off.
[08:39] <wm_eddie> well nolapic didn't work....
[08:39] <WareHajime> It's a great card just the drivers defeat the purpose of the card.
[08:39] <phlaegel> of course, the only pc game I've played in the last six months is a few hours of WoW, but oh well.
[08:40] <matt2> Lol so that worked
[08:40] <matt2> But only in gxine.. any ideas why I can't get totem to play my dvds?
[08:41] <wm_eddie> omg 2:30?
[08:41] <crimsun> ten minutes later :p
[08:41] <WareHajime> Well while I was in slackware matt I used to get this "NAV" error at first. Found out just have to install the libdvdssc thingy I recall.
[08:41] <WareHajime> It made totem work dunno why your having that problem.
[08:41] <matt2> WareHajime: I've got that installed, and that's why it runs in gxine now.. but thanks
[08:42] <matt2> Lol east-coasters
[08:42] <matt2> why are you geeks inside on a saturday anyways??? I think I've got strep and I'm pissed off it ruined my weekend..
[08:42] <matt2> But i did learn about ubuntu! awesome..
[08:42] <phlaegel> you answered your own question
[08:43] <matt2> lol yes I did.. yes I did
[08:43] <wm_eddie> yeah, ubuntu came out just in time to ruin our non-existant weekends.
[08:43] <matt2> =D
[08:43] <daniels> *yours*? ;)
[08:43] <matt2> Well I live on campus at a university so it's hard NOT to have a life here
[08:44] <wm_eddie> When I lived on campus I had no life.
[08:44] <matt2> fucking strep though.. haha.
[08:44] <matt2> Eh, it's possible
[08:44] <matt2> I was directing all of that to umm.. DimSum anyways
[08:45] <wm_eddie> well, I need to figure out how to get ubuntu to forget about udev
[08:45] <matt2> what's it messing up?
[08:45] <phlaegel> why?
[08:45] <DimSum> ?
[08:45] <matt2> lol
[08:46] <DimSum> What'd I miss?
[08:46] <matt2> Nothing much.. 
[08:46] <wm_eddie> it's working fine except apm, and apm is very important on a laptop.
[08:47] <wm_eddie> but apm works fine on 2.4 but not much else.  And I think it's because it's relying on udev.
[08:47] <wm_eddie> so if I get devfs running, it should be fine.
[08:47] <DimSum> Okay
[08:47] <DimSum> Well
[08:47] <DimSum> Someone fix this shite.
[08:47] <matt2> Well I'm still a geek through the week.. lol. But right now I kindof want to spread the word of ubuntu to the gentoo forums
[08:47] <wm_eddie> time for bed
[08:47] <phlaegel> ew, devfs.
[08:48] <matt2> devfs bleh
[08:48] <wm_eddie> I know... but sometimes you have to make sacrifices...
[08:48] <phlaegel> can't you just add some udev rules to create devfs-style links?
[08:48] <DimSum> Surely I cannot be the ONLY FUCKING PERSON who wants to use Orinoco cards in Monitor Mode on Linux?
[08:48] <whiprush> phlaegel: bleh, the firefox trunk builds don't seem to have the gtk2.4 dialogs on by default anymore. :(
[08:48] <DimSum> And if I'm not, why the FUCK isn't the process a little bit goddamn easier
[08:49] <wm_eddie> DimSum: I'll tackly that problem when I get there.
[08:49] <phlaegel> whiprush: :(
[08:50] <daniels> DimSum: please remain polite
[08:50] <DimSum> I am polite.
[08:51] <DimSum> I'm considering just paying someone a few hundred quid to fix this for me :\
[08:51] <DimSum> Because I can't be dealing with this now
[08:51] <DimSum> It's 7:50am and I still haven't slept
[08:52] <whiprush> phlaegel: ah, file open has the right dialog, download still doesn't though.
[08:52] <matt2> Lol dude, you should probably sleep
[08:52] <dieman> DimSum: the rest of us just use host_ap prism cards :P
[08:52] <dieman> DimSum: or cisco, but the prism cards are optimal
[08:52] <DimSum> I need to get this in Monitor Mode, though.
[08:52] <DimSum> Anyway, I got it to compile
[08:52] <daniels> DimSum: most people wouldn't usually consider profanities like that polite, but anyway.  when you run dmesg, what version of the orinoco driver gets reported?
[08:53] <phlaegel> whiprush: too bad download is the more used one
[08:53] <whiprush> yeah
[08:53] <DimSum> 0.13e
[08:53] <DimSum> Hence the problem.
[08:53] <DimSum> Needs to be 0.15RC2
[08:53] <matt2> can anyone tell me what orinico even is? Never heard of it before..
[08:53] <DimSum> Anyway, I just compiled 0.15
[08:53] <DimSum> Now I have an bunch of .o files
[08:53] <DimSum> Where do I copy them to?
[08:54] <daniels> can you run 'make install'? does it have a README?
[08:54] <DimSum> Nope, and yes
[08:54] <DimSum> Just says to simply run make
[08:54] <daniels> ok
[08:54] <matt2> or I could.. google it. haha
[08:54] <daniels> run find  /lib/modules/$(uname 0r)/kernel -name orinoco
[08:54] <daniels> er
[08:54] <daniels> uname -r, not uname 0r
[08:55] <daniels> and '*orinoco*', not orinoco
[08:55] <daniels> and replace it there
[08:56] <DimSum> "Paths must precede expression"
[08:56] <DimSum> oh
[08:56] <DimSum> sec
[08:56] <DimSum> Nope, same error
[08:57] <daniels> when you run find /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel -name \*orinoco\* ?
[08:57] <DimSum> No, without the slashes ;P
[08:57] <DimSum> But you didn't say to use slashes
[08:57] <DimSum> Anyway, those files don't match the .o files that I just compiled
[08:57] <punkass> can i tell a laucher that i want to run an application as root?
[08:57] <DimSum> Oh wait, they do
[08:58] <punkass> launcher*
[08:58] <daniels> right
[08:58] <daniels> so remove them, and copy the ones you just compiled into that path
[08:59] <daniels> DimSum: as a final step, could you please run dpkg -S orinoco_cs.o ?
[08:59] <DimSum> Yeah, secx
[09:00] <DimSum> *sec
[09:00] <DimSum> "Orinoco_cs.o* not found
[09:00] <DimSum> *orinoco_cs
[09:00] <DimSum> gimme a sec, need to fix something
[09:01] <punkass> gksudo..give a pw box...good enough for me
[09:02] <daniels> DimSum: try dpkg -S orinoco
[09:03] <DimSum> Same result as before
[09:03] <DimSum> When I ran the find
[09:03] <DimSum> linux-image-2.6.8.1-2-386: /lib/modules/blahblah
[09:03] <daniels> oh, right
[09:03] <daniels> thanks
[09:03] <DimSum> So what now, reboot?
[09:03] <daniels> um, do lsmod
[09:04] <daniels> and rmmod everything listed that's airo or orinoco or whatever
[09:04] <daniels> then modprobe them
[09:04] <daniels> and you should have monitor mode
[09:05] <DimSum> Not working
[09:05] <DimSum> Says it's in use
[09:05] <daniels> https://bugzilla.no-name-yet.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1438
[09:05] <DimSum> I'll just reboot; will probably be easier
[09:05] <daniels> take your wireless interfaces down with ifconfig, then
[09:05] <daniels> (bear in mind i don't own a working laptop, let alone an orinoco card)
[09:05] <DimSum> Ah
[09:05] <DimSum> I'm using this from a desktop box ;P
[09:06] <DimSum> That's weird...
[09:06] <whiprush> I have to wonder what you need monitor mode on a desktop for.
[09:06] <DimSum> The wireless card isn't showing up under ifconfig
[09:06] <DimSum> :\
[09:06] <DimSum> eth0 is, as well as lo
[09:06] <DimSum> but not eth1
[09:06] <DimSum> :\
[09:06] <DimSum> Why the hell...
[09:07] <punkass> umm.. did u add them to /etc/network/interfaces
[09:07] <daniels> try ifconfig -a
[09:07] <daniels> if they're not up, you won't see them per default
[09:07] <DimSum> Was too lazy; just added it in Networking Preferences
[09:07] <DimSum> should show up in a sec
[09:08] <punkass> ah..same difference
[09:08] <DimSum> okay, it's up
[09:08] <DimSum> Hah, Network Settings just hung/crashed
[09:09] <DimSum> rebooting
[09:09] <goatboy_> am I just not seeing them, or are there no nvidia-glx/kernel module packages for amd64?
The question is, why are you using AMD64 in the first place?</flame>
[09:12] <DimSum> What?!?!?!
[09:12] <DimSum> iwpriv monitor: no private ioctls
[09:12] <DimSum> Invalid command: Monitor
[09:12] <DimSum> GODDAMNIT
[09:13] <jdub> goatboy_: i think they're coming
[09:13] <daniels> DimSum: i suggest you send a mail to the orinoco users' list, if there is one, or google for similar problems/etc
[09:13] <fabbione> goatboy_: they are on the way...
[09:13] <goatboy_> oh, ok.
[09:13] <goatboy_> thanks!
[09:14] <whiprush> heyya goatboy_ 
[09:15] <whiprush> you finally switch?
[09:15] <DimSum> :\ mailing list scare me
[09:15] <DimSum> And there's nothing on google, sadly
[09:16] <DimSum> Goddamnit, I tried so hard tonight :(
[09:19] <elmaya> doing what?
[09:20] <DimSum> Who, me?
[09:20] <elmaya> yup
[09:20] <DimSum> Trying to get Orinoco 0.15RC2 installed on Ubuntu
[09:21] <elmaya> oh
[09:22] <bad_ronald> I just set up Ubuntu and I have a problem...
[09:23] <bad_ronald> the sound isn't working
[09:23] <bad_ronald> Is this common, did I miss something?
[09:23] <punkass> bad_ronald: on a laptop?
[09:23] <bad_ronald> no, desktop
[09:23] <punkass> hmm..could be oss drivers are getting loaded before the alsa ones
[09:24] <bad_ronald> It's a dell 1.8 GHz with 256MB ram, and a generic dell soundcard
[09:24] <DimSum> Lol, I've never gotten sound to work on Linux
[09:24] <punkass> run   lsmod  and paste the contents here: http://paste.plone.org/
[09:25] <punkass> lol
[09:26] <elmaya> hehe my xmms doesn't remind the las skin used :(
[09:27] <bad_ronald> that was retarded, sorry
[09:27] <bad_ronald> I posted it at the url
[09:28] <punkass> hmmm..doesnt look like any oss modules are loaded
[09:28] <punkass> what do u get when u run alsamixer
[09:29] <DimSum> whoa
[09:29] <DimSum> That's weird...
[09:29] <matt2> err.. nother stupid problem. Wmv files this time..
[09:29] <bad_ronald> the master volume is at 100%
[09:29] <DimSum> orinoco 0.15rc2STA (david gibson blah blah blah)
[09:29] <DimSum> eth1: ready
[09:29] <punkass> is there MM  at the top?
[09:29] <DimSum> dmesg gives me that
[09:29] <bad_ronald> no
[09:29] <DimSum> And yet, I still can't get monitor mode to show up in iwpriv...
[09:29] <punkass> matt2: w32codecs
[09:29] <bad_ronald> MM is at the top of "Master M" and "headphon"
[09:30] <bad_ronald> and 3D Contr
[09:30] <bad_ronald> with PCM at 71
[09:30] <bad_ronald> everything else is 0
[09:30] <elmaya> try xmms with alsa output
[09:30] <punkass> move to Master and hit M
[09:30] <matt2> punkass: Already installed? Maybe only mplayer can access them?
[09:30] <punkass> hmm let me give it a shot
[09:31] <bad_ronald> alright, now master reads mm at top with 0<>0 at the bottom
[09:31] <matt2> if not I can find them
[09:31] <punkass> bad_ronald: you want no MM at the top and full volume
[09:32] <punkass> MM just means that channel is muted
[09:32] <bad_ronald> ah
[09:32] <punkass> make sure PCM is at full to
[09:33] <crimsun> unless you have a sblive. Then you want it no higher than 66%
[09:33] <bad_ronald> does master m need to have no "mm" at the top too
[09:33] <bad_ronald> ?
[09:33] <crimsun> correct, bad_ronald 
[09:35] <bad_ronald> It won't let me change Master M, if I click Masterm and hit m it just switches master
[09:35] <madscience> can anyone help me with an nvidia driver issue?
[09:35] <crimsun> what sort of issue?
[09:35] <madscience> I switched from the i386 kernel-image to the k7
[09:35] <punkass> bad_ronald: when u play music with say xmms or rythmbox do u get an error or does it just play with no sound
[09:35] <torb> Hello, has anyone installed the proprietary nvidia-drivers om amd64? There doesn't 
[09:36] <bad_ronald> it just plays with no sound
[09:36] <DimSum> OMG IT WORKS
[09:36] <DimSum> OMFG IT WORKS!
[09:36] <DimSum> YAY!
[09:36] <punkass> lol
[09:36] <torb> seem to be a nvidia-glx package
[09:36] <madscience> ever since I did that, I have to manually dpkg-reconfigure linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-2-k7 to get into X
[09:36] <DimSum> Omg yaaaaaaaaaaaaay
[09:36] <DimSum> That, ladies and gentlemen, is awesome.
[09:36] <punkass> so it must be alsa volumes...u checked the gnome volume?
[09:37] <madscience> I've tried reinstalling, and uninstalling and installing the linux-restricted-modules and all the nvidia modules.
[09:37] <madscience> didn't help
[09:37] <crimsun> madscience: is "nvidia" listed in /etc/modules?
[09:37] <jdub> madscience: did you try "dpkg-reconfigure --priority=high xserver-xfree86" once the nvidia module was loaded?
[09:37] <bad_ronald> I was using the terminal Alsamixer app, I'm trying the gui version...
[09:37] <punkass> matt2: well i am watching a wmv on totem
[09:38] <DimSum> Well, it only took me 9 hours to get it working this time
[09:38] <DimSum> I'm getting faster
[09:38] <punkass> ok
[09:38] <madscience> yes, without the priority
[09:38] <crimsun> madscience: does /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko exist?
[09:38] <bad_ronald> ok that did it, thx
[09:38] <punkass> np
[09:38] <madscience> it's not in /etc/modules, shall I add it?
[09:39] <punkass> DimSum, i know how you feel..i just fought with wireless, sound and acpi for a day and a half
[09:39] <crimsun> madscience: yes. echo "nvidia" >> /etc/modules
[09:39] <punkass> but i too have conquered.
[09:40] <madscience> it is in :/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-2-k7/kernel/drivers/video
[09:40] <matt2> punkass: cool.. umm any idea what to apt-get?
[09:40] <madscience> k, brb if it works, a bit longer if it doesn't
[09:40] <matt2> I tried searching but couldn't see anything..
[09:41] <punkass> matt2: umm i dont think i apt-got anything
[09:41] <punkass> just used those w32codecs
[09:41] <matt2> did you point to them any way?
[09:41] <punkass> nope...one sec i will try to set it up on my laptop
[09:42] <matt2> excellent, thanks
[09:42] <matt2> I think they're on my system somewhere. I would really like to have totem handle everything
[09:43] <DimSum> punkass: Good man :)
[09:44] <madscience> thanks crimson, it worked like a charm
[09:45] <crimsun> np at all
[09:46] <durand> hi,  how do I install wvdial in ubuntu?
[09:46] <madscience> strange that it didn't add automatically?
[09:47] <cef> daniels: you about?
[09:48] <punkass> matt2: works on my laptop too
[09:49] <daniels> cef: hey yo :)
[09:49] <daniels> heh!
[09:49] <daniels> more? you're a machine!
[09:49] <cef> daniels: just got a few things to do, then I can drop them by
[09:49] <matt2> thanks for checking.. by default eh? Wow.. that's pretty strange too. Since I really haven't done anything yet
[09:49] <cef> found a SiS 6326 and an ATI Rage Mobility-P
[09:50] <daniels> cef: nice! well, whenever is fine -- thanks again :)
[09:50] <cef> daniels: no probs
[09:50] <daniels> x code is scary.
[09:50] <daniels> #if 1
[09:50] <daniels> #define BIOS_SIZE 0x10000
[09:50] <daniels> #else /* a bug in DGUX requires this - let's try it */
[09:50] <daniels> #define BIOS_SIZE (0x10000 - 1)
[09:50] <daniels> #endif
[09:50] <punkass> matt2: yeah havent done anything..except for reboots
[09:53] <jedi> daniels: my gosh, you have my sympathies :)
[09:55] <matt2> yeah, might need to reboot for THIS as well.. thanks anyways
[09:59] <cef> daniels: all X code is scary..that's why you work with it *grin*
[10:00] <daniels> heh
[10:00] <DimSum> daniels, finally got the Orinoco crap working
[10:00] <daniels> cef: something i did in a previous life?
[10:00] <cef> daniels: possibly.. or mebbe in this one
[10:01] <DimSum> Only weird thing going on now is that I can't run AirSnort from a shortcut.. have to run it from the console
[10:01] <DimSum> Otherwise it gives me a "cannot put the card into Monitor Mode" error
[10:01] <DimSum> :\
[10:01] <daniels> cef: heh.
[10:02] <jdub> oh man
[10:02] <jdub> i love it when hardware just works
[10:02] <jdub> i just plugged in pipka's airo card
[10:02] <jdub> *yoink*
[10:03] <daniels> word.
[10:03] <jdub> ready to roll
[10:03] <cef> jdub: heh.. pcm-352?
[10:03] <jdub> cef: hrm?
[10:03] <cef> jdub: model number of the card
[10:03] <jdub> hrm, dunno
[10:04] <TerminX> it's pretty cool that wireless worked without you even knowing the model
[10:04] <cef> jdub: just don't expect the kernel driver to handle the card disconnecting and reconnecting
[10:04] <cef> jdub: as in removal and reinsertion
[10:04] <jdub> TerminX: they're all handled by the one driver ;)
[10:04] <jdub> cef: oh? really?
[10:05] <jdub> cef: LET'S SEE ABOUT THAT
[10:05] <cef> jdub: depends on the card
[10:05] <TerminX> jdub: still
[10:05] <TerminX> it's pretty cool
[10:05] <Tomcat_> Will Atheros cards work out of the box?
[10:05] <cef> jdub: the card I have dies (not predictable).. just depends what the kernel is doing at the time
[10:07] <jdub> cef: no problems ;-)
[10:07] <jdub> Tomcat_: we have drivers for them
[10:07] <Tomcat_> Good. ;)
[10:08] <tuo2> hmm.
[10:08] <Tomcat_> I won't try as my laptop won't work well with Ubuntu, but it's good to know.
[10:08] <cef> Tomcat_: why not?
[10:09] <Tomcat_> It's a K6 300 w/ 48 MB RAM... too old probably.
[10:09] <Tomcat_> I'm happy that xfce works with Firefox quite well... but that's already as much as the laptop can do.
[10:09] <cef> ram is probably the biggest issue
[10:09] <crimsun> Tomcat_: it'll do just fine
[10:10] <Tomcat_> Yep... but I can't make it bigger, because I can't open the part with the RAM :\
[10:10] <crimsun> Tomcat_: i installed Ubuntu yesterday at the installfest on a P/233 with 32 MB RAM
[10:10] <cef> Tomcat_: know that feeling.. I've got a PIII-600 with 128 meg.. can't put more in it
[10:10] <Tomcat_> crimsun: And it worked well?
[10:11] <Tomcat_> I seriously doubt it...
[10:11] <crimsun> Tomcat_: i had to manually partition (cfdisk), mkswap, and swapon before the network was probed, but otherwise it worked fine.
[10:11] <Tomcat_> I hat KDE on that laptop *once*... since KDE is so heavyweight on graphics (just like GNOME) it was very slow.
[10:11] <Tomcat_> -t+d
[10:11] <crimsun> well
[10:11] <crimsun> once you get it installed, it'll run - just a bit sluggishly
[10:12] <crimsun> the issue for this particular computer was the 32 MB RAM
[10:12] <Tomcat_> I guess I'll rather stay on regular Debian and xfce then. :)
[10:12] <crimsun> the installer really hurts on 32 MB
[10:12] <Tomcat_> Because it works... and I don't use much software except the browser and the tty, so it's okay.
[10:12] <crimsun> but once I created 500 MB swap and mounted it, all was well.
[10:14] <Tomcat_> I probably have to wait for an Ubuntu Live CD before trying it.
[10:15] <Tomcat_> I don't have enough harddisk on it to try it next to my regular Debian.
[10:17] <matt2> That installation was SO nice
[10:17] <matt2> Why can't all installers be like that? Stupid distros..
[10:26] <matt2> Hmmm.. anybody using bit torrent?
[10:26] <subterrific> matt2: i was going to try azureus sometime
[10:27] <subterrific> i just installed sun's java and got the mozilla java plugin working
[10:27] <subterrific> i'll do that right now actually
[10:28] <matt2> subterrific: azureus is GREAT.. I was going to ask about that cause I had it going in gentoo
[10:28] <matt2> but for not I guess I'll just use btdownloadgui
[10:28] <matt2> =D
[10:28] <matt2> it needs java, just letting you know
[10:28] <subterrific> java.com
[10:28] <subterrific> download it
[10:28] <matt2> That is on my to-do list for sure.. but probably tomorrow
[10:28] <matt2> java.com.. really?
[10:28] <matt2> ok
[10:29] <subterrific> yeah, i installed it
[10:29] <matt2> cool.. so it works from here. excellent
[10:30] <matt2> maybe I'll try to get azureus going now too.. hehe
[10:30] <subterrific> i installed it to /opt
[10:30] <subterrific> then did: ln -s -f /opt/j2re1.4.2_05/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/
[10:30] <subterrific> to get java working in firefox
[10:31] <subterrific> downloading azureus right now
[10:31] <subterrific> http://voxel.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/azureus/Azureus_2.1.0.4_linux.GTK.tar.bz2
[10:31] <subterrific> btw, when you download java, get the binary installer that IS NOT an rpm
[10:32] <matt2> perfect, thanks for the info. Umm looks like i'm installing it wherever the hell it's installing lol
[10:32] <subterrific> it installs it whereever you run it
[10:32] <matt2> oh fuck haha
[10:32] <subterrific> you probably want to move it to /opt
[10:32] <matt2> gonna redo that then
[10:33] <subterrific> and run it there
[10:33] <matt2> no kidding. thanks
[10:33] <matt2> no sarcasm meant there btw =D
[10:33] <subterrific> understood :)
[10:33] <jivera> What's the expected time frame on getting Ubuntu improvements pushed back into Debian?  Presumably it'll be delayed a bit since Debian's hoping to release Sarge soon, but should we be seeing any Ubuntu-goodness pushed back into Debian proper soon after?
[10:35] <subterrific> anyone know off the top of their head the debian way to add things to PATH?
[10:36] <matt2> yeah, thx for the info subterrific. I knew some of that (non rpm, got the azureus already) but I had no idea about the link to firefox plugins
[10:36] <matt2> btw I'm new to debian but I ran gentoo for a couple years
[10:36] <yawningdog> subterrific, can't you set it on your ~/.bashrc file?
[10:36] <subterrific> me too, i still run debian on my amd64, but i've got a p4 at home with ubuntu and one at work with ubuntu too
[10:37] <subterrific> err i still run gentoo on my amd64
[10:37] <marquivon> hi everyone. i just installed ubuntu on my system and its wow. however had a few questions. how do yu get the mail notification in the panel area as in this screenshot http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/teams/marketing/en/2004/two-eight-screenshots/html/Screenshot-3.png
[10:37] <matt2> =D cool
[10:37] <subterrific> yawningdog: yes, but sometimes there is a /etc way of doing it
[10:38] <subterrific> marquivon: right click on panel->add to panel->mail notification?
[10:38] <subterrific> inbox monitor
[10:38] <subterrific> is what its called
[10:38] <marquivon> there's no mail notification
[10:38] <subterrific> ^^^
[10:38] <yawningdog> subterrific, /etc/bash.bashrc ?
[10:38] <marquivon> no that's different. uhmm i thought it'll integrated with evolution?
[10:39] <matt2> subterrific: you getting that business about /usr/java as well?
[10:40] <matt2> maybe install it there? Somehow I don't think so
[10:40] <yawningdog> hmm... how do I install the full SDL stack (sdl-image, sdl-ttf, etc) without compiling from source?
[10:41] <yawningdog> the ubuntu repositories only include the core, image and mixer
[10:42] <subterrific> matt2: yeah, i know how to fix it, i'm just trying to figure out the "debian way"
[10:42] <yawningdog> which would be my best bet to get sdl-ttf and sdl-net properly installed?
[10:42] <matt2> subterrific: =D that's cool.. you mean changing the PATH and such yeah..
[10:42] <matt2> hmmm
[10:42] <yawningdog> subterrific: have you looked at /etc/bash.bashrc ?
[10:43] <yawningdog> # System-wide .bashrc file for interactive bash(1) shells.
[10:43] <felixdz> Good morning
[10:45] <subterrific> yawningdog: found it...yay grep
[10:45] <subterrific> yawningdog: /etc/profile
[10:45] <marquivon> how do yu integrate evolution to the clock applet?
[10:45] <marquivon> so that it shows what tasks yu have when clicking on it?
[10:46] <yawningdog> thanks, I take note, may come in handy in the future :)
[10:46] <Lowe> GRR it never ends > "PNG support required for GUI compilation, please install libpng and libpng-dev packages."
[10:46] <matt2> lol I THOUGHT it was /etc/profile
[10:47] <matt2> damn I know more than I give myself credit for sometimes lol
[10:47] <yawningdog> I had problems too with libpng
[10:50] <subterrific> ok
[10:50] <subterrific> got it working
[10:51] <felixdz> I have installed ubuntu. Got my internet working with pppoe, edited the /apt/sources.list and installed tripwire and bastille. 
[10:51] <subterrific> edit /etc/profile and add /opt/j2re1.4.2_05/bin/ to your PATH
[10:51] <subterrific> then source /etc/profile
[10:52] <subterrific> then you can either run azuerus from the directory it was installed in
[10:52] <tuo2> !
[10:52] <matt2> awesome.. ok lol I swear I was looking in /etc/profile earlier but I wasn't too sure if I could add something to the path line or not
[10:52] <subterrific> or cp /opt/azureus/azureus /usr/bin/azureus and make this change:
[10:53] <subterrific> # get the app dir
[10:53] <subterrific> #PROGRAM_DIR=`dirname "$0"`
[10:53] <subterrific> #PROGRAM_DIR=`cd "$PROGRAM_DIR"; pwd`
[10:53] <subterrific> PROGRAM_DIR="/opt/azureus/"
[10:53] <felixdz> Previously I had knoppix installed to the harddrive which is essentially debian
[10:53] <Lowe> Is libpng actually installed and it just doesn't recognize it or do i need to install that aswell -_-
[10:53] <subterrific> matt2: that make sense to ya?
[10:53] <matt2> ummm... now that confused me. What's with the comments?
[10:54] <felixdz> The only problem I am having with ubuntu is every time I start the computer I have to run pppoeconf...
[10:54] <subterrific> well thats the azureus launcher script and its meant to be run from inside the azureus directory
[10:54] <yawningdog> Lowe, I think it's the first case
[10:54] <felixdz> despite the fact that I wanted it to come up at boot time.
[10:54] <felixdz> anybody know why this should be so?
[10:54] <yawningdog> at least that's what seems to be happening to me
[10:54] <subterrific> but when you copy it to /usr/bin/ you need to edit it and tell it where the azureus directory is
[10:55] <matt2> Ahhh ok.. it's actually only one line?
[10:55] <matt2> I'll check it out
[10:55] <subterrific> so i commented out the lines where they were setting PROGRAM_DIR and i set it manually
[10:55] <matt2> thankyou
[10:55] <matt2> Yes I understand now
[10:55] <matt2> perfect, you are very kind
[10:56] <subterrific> actually leave the trailing / off the path
[10:56] <subterrific> it gives a warning about that
[10:56] <subterrific> so just /opt/azureus or where ever you put it
[10:56] <Lowe> *cries* I need my anime, and mplayer is being gay.
[10:57] <matt2> yeah mines in /opt/azureus too
[10:57] <matt2> alright
[10:57] <matt2> should be good to go now
[10:58] <yawningdog> Lower, have you tried adding the marillat repository? It worked well enough for me
[10:58] <asimon> felixdz: For me it helped to put "pppoe" into /etc/modules
[10:58] <Lowe> marillat repository?
[10:59] <felixdz> Thanks asimon for reply. Do you mean mv pppoe /etc/modules?
[10:59] <yawningdog> it's an apt repository for media packages
[10:59] <yawningdog> mplayer, xine, etc
[10:59] <matt2> haha that was so successful
[10:59] <subterrific> matt2: just fyi, if you want to make a launcher for it in the gnome menu/panel the azureus icon is in /opt/azureus/azureus.png
[10:59] <subterrific> it looks nice too ;)
[10:59] <asimon> felixdz: No, "echo pppoe >> /etc/modules"
[10:59] <Lowe> uhm how do i add it? this really could help
[10:59] <tuo2> Yar!
[11:00] <matt2> =D cool.. yeah I saw it there.. thx though
[11:00] <yawningdog> http://debian.udsu.ru/.1/debian-soft/marillat/
[11:00] <matt2> I am making a launcher for it right now hehe
[11:00] <yawningdog> look at the bottom of the page
[11:00] <asimon> felixdz: It's a simple text file, all kernel modules in this file will be loaded during boot time.
[11:01] <subterrific> the launcher won't work until you log out because of the PATH issue
[11:01] <yawningdog> Lower: start synaptic and go to Preferences -> Repositories
[11:01] <subterrific> unless you edit the /usr/bin/azureus and set JAVA_PROGRAM_DIR
[11:01] <yawningdog> select New and enter the following settings:
[11:01] <yawningdog> URL: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[11:02] <yawningdog> Distribution: unstable
[11:02] <yawningdog> Sections: main
[11:02] <matt2> ahh I'll just log out and log back in
[11:02] <matt2> Ooh have a question though. So I'm testing a port in the config wizzard and I keep getting NAT error
[11:02] <yawningdog> then just hit refresh and you are set
[11:02] <matt2> Now, I'm pretty sure it works but I'm wondering what this is?
[11:02] <felixdz> asimon just to be clear (I am at the cookbook stage of linux learning) in a root shell type echo pppoe >> /etc/modules
[11:03] <asimon> felixdz: Yes. 
[11:03] <subterrific> matt2: it means you're behind a NAT
[11:03] <subterrific> it will still work, just not as well
[11:04] <matt2> Lol and so.. it will not work as well right.. damn that's why I get pretty crappy performance in bit torrent sometimes
[11:04] <felixdz> OK Thanks I'll give it a try. As well as noting it in my Linux in a nutshell so I don't have to ask the same question twice!
[11:04] <subterrific> matt2: you have a dsl/cable router?
[11:04] <matt2> I'm on the universities res net so.. yeah, not much I can do about that I guess
[11:04] <Lowe> I got failed to download all indexes
[11:04] <subterrific> oh
[11:04] <matt2> yeah, I plug into the wall lol
[11:04] <yawningdog> hmm...
[11:04] <subterrific> yeah, they are definitely blocking the bittorrent port, hehe
[11:04] <matt2> those fuckers.. well, it gives me the option to change it..
[11:04] <subterrific> you could find out if they give you any open ports and change it
[11:04] <matt2> but I'm trying other high ones and they don't seem to work.
[11:05] <mteira> Have you tested the CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor?
[11:05] <asimon> felixdz: You can also edit the file with any text editor.
[11:05] <subterrific> yeah, you'd need a pretty stupid sys admin for them to leave any ports open for you
[11:05] <matt2> yeah.. but I wonder what ports.. well 80 works for sure, I get killer speeds on 80
[11:05] <mteira> The frequency it shows for me goes from negative numbers to more than 1.000 Ghz.
[11:05] <matt2> yeah I don't think that's happening
[11:05] <Lowe> how do i get the one with the gui? i don't see it listed
[11:05] <subterrific> well what does ifconfig say your ip is?
[11:05] <felixdz> TTFN
[11:06] <matt2> is there any way I can test for an open port?
[11:06] <subterrific> i'll port scan you and tell you if anything is open
[11:06] <mteira> I will look for a bug report on this.
[11:06] <matt2> 142.104.55.196
[11:06] <matt2> lol awesome
[11:06] <yawningdog> Lower: it's included on the standard package
[11:06] <matt2> I guess I can't port scan myself. Yeah I used to port scan back in the day.. oh yeah
[11:06] <yawningdog> grr... s/Lower/Lowe
[11:07] <Lowe> but the package is called mplayer no gui
[11:07] <asimon> matt2: Search for "shields up" via Google, first hit, there's a port scanner.
[11:07] <matt2> asimon:thx, can I port scan myself?
[11:07] <subterrific> matt2: well at least you've got a public ip, thats a plus
[11:08] <matt2> subterrific: why? 
[11:08] <asimon> matt2: This site will scan your ports and print the results.
[11:08] <matt2> ahhh perfect, thanks
[11:09] <yawningdog> Lowe: there are several packages
[11:09] <yawningdog> install the one tuned for your architecture
[11:09] <yawningdog> for example, I chose mplayer-k7
[11:09] <subterrific> matt2: looks like you've got a few open ports
[11:09] <Lowe> I will install k6 lol >_>
[11:09] <matt2> subterrific: Perfect! I want high speeds
[11:09] <matt2> lol
[11:09] <subterrific> if this scan is right, your sysadmin is an idiot
[11:10] <matt2> subterrific: A bunch of hippies over here in victoria
[11:10] <subterrific> he left open all the microsoft ports...yay trojans/virii
[11:10] <Lowe> yawningdog i get a lot of errors now
[11:10] <matt2> subterrific: EVERYONE gets worms over here.. and I help fix their damn computers
[11:10] <Lowe> says missing dependcys
[11:10] <subterrific> matt2: try 6969
[11:10] <ich> hi
[11:10] <ich> how can iget pppoe working?
[11:11] <matt2> subterrific, will do
[11:11] <felixdz> pppoeconf
[11:11] <ich> where to get?
[11:11] <matt2> unable to test..
[11:11] <matt2> is the message. Like if I were to test 80 or something
[11:11] <matt2> so maybe he's not such an idiot lol
[11:11] <ich> ?
[11:11] <ich> pppoeconf, where can i get it?
[11:12] <subterrific> what does it say when you try 6969?
[11:12] <subterrific> cause i'm not showing that 80 is open
[11:12] <felixdz> pppoeconf comes free with ubuntu
[11:12] <matt2> Says unable to test
[11:12] <yawningdog> Lowe, which dependencies?
[11:12] <subterrific> hrm
[11:12] <matt2> Hmm well 80 has full bandwidth, that's for sure
[11:12] <asimon> ich: It should be already installed. Just type "sudo pppoeconf" from a command line.
[11:12] <matt2> whereas kazaa is bottlenecked
[11:12] <Lowe> mplayer-k6:
[11:12] <Lowe>  Depends: libarts but it is not installable or
[11:12] <Lowe>  	libarts-alsa but it is not installable
[11:12] <matt2> this is interesting though
[11:13] <subterrific> yeah, but that port setting in azureus is for incoming traffic
[11:13] <subterrific> you want to pick a port other people are able to connect to you on
[11:14] <matt2> right..well the default works, it's just slow
[11:14] <ich> thx asimon, im currently talkinf to felixdz, he  tells me evrythin ;)
[11:15] <matt2> should I give 6969 a go anyways?
[11:15] <subterrific> naw
[11:15] <yawningdog> Lowe: weird
[11:15] <yawningdog> try mplayer-686
[11:16] <Lowe> Never mind im downloading that arts thing
[11:20] <Lowe> lol still getting the error
[11:21] <marquivon> if i remove the top panel, can i get "Desktop Preferences" and "System Configuration" somehow in my main menu?
[11:22] <felixdz> asimon thanks the etc pppoe >> /etc/modules worked for me!
[11:23] <yawningdog> marquivon, add a "Menu bar" to your bottom panel
[11:24] <asimon> felixdz: Good, because I wasn't sure, I have yet to reboot and test it ;-)
[11:25] <felixdz> worked for me
[11:25] <matt2> arg.. what the hell. So it DID run, once, and now it complains about PATH once again
[11:25] <subterrific> i suggest setting JAVA_PROGRAM_DIR in the script :\
[11:26] <matt2> yes
[11:26] <matt2> didn't know it was in the script there
[11:26] <Lowe> yawningdog i tried all the others, same error message
[11:27] <yawningdog> Lowe, it may be futile anyway
[11:28] <yawningdog> totem goes black screen and only produces sound for me
[11:28] <yawningdog> (as well as hanging gnome-panel)
[11:29] <yawningdog> and gmplayer spawns itself over and over again, saying something about alsa-mixer
[11:29] <Lowe> you have got to be joking
[11:29] <Lowe> I can't live without my anime you know
[11:29] <marquivon> yawningdog, uncomment "universe" in sources.list, run apt-get update and then install totem-xine
[11:29] <yawningdog> you can always compile from source
[11:29] <subterrific> Lowe: you try gxine from universe?
[11:30] <Lowe> meh, i need mplayer. The only media player i trust.
[11:31] <yawningdog> didn't know about universe...
[11:31] <yawningdog> now I may even be able to install sdl-image :)
[11:31] <matt2> ok so it works when I do: source /etc/profile
[11:32] <subterrific> Lowe: well gxine seems to work for me
[11:32] <matt2> but only for one go.. and then it stops working until I do that again
[11:32] <subterrific> matt2: yeah
[11:32] <Lowe> wekk what's universe? another repository
[11:32] <Lowe> well*
[11:32] <subterrific> it will work if you set the JAVA_PROGRAM_DIR though
[11:32] <subterrific> and it will work always after you reboot
[11:32] <matt2> I just did reboot =(
[11:32] <subterrific> or kill x11 and gdm, hehe
[11:32] <yawningdog> Lowe, just sudo and edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:32] <subterrific> really?
[11:32] <matt2> really
[11:33] <matt2> maybe a typo somewhere..
[11:33] <Lowe> But i don't even know what universe is lol
[11:34] <subterrific> matt2: or maybe something else is modiying PATH
[11:34] <matt2> hmmm possibly. Have you given it a reboot yet?
[11:34] <matt2> naw probably not..
[11:35] <matt2> hmm maybe one more reboot for me
[11:35] <matt2> I just took out a /
[11:35] <matt2> lol
[11:35] <matt2> brb
[11:35] <marquivon> Lowe, ya another repository where yu find many more unsupported packages
[11:36] <Lowe> well could someone post a link or something please?
[11:36] <marquivon> open sources.list and yu'll see for yourself
[11:36] <yawningdog> marquivon: thanks, it worked
[11:37] <subterrific> hmm
[11:37] <yawningdog> now I can watch dancemonkeyboy.mpg in all its glory
[11:37] <Lowe> I don't see anything in there that's different
[11:38] <subterrific> matt2: i don't get it, nothing seems to be sourcing /etc/profile
[11:38] <matt2> bleh.. nope. Oh well, I'll fix this tomorrow. Tired and sick right now so I'm gonna put some music on (in rhythmbox lol.. I'm glad it doesn't crash anymore) and head to bed
[11:38] <matt2> strange eh? cause it works for once and then I have to source /etc/profile again
[11:38] <matt2> and then it works once again
[11:38] <marquivon> Lowe, i've a default ubuntu install & in my sources.list i've this -> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe
[11:38] <subterrific> matt2: i'll talk to one of the ubuntu devs about it when i see one active
[11:39] <matt2> sure. Thanks for all the help so far.. do you get the same problem?
[11:39] <subterrific> yup
[11:39] <Lowe> alright i see it, now what?
[11:39] <matt2> ahh so it's NOT just me. Well, I'll have time to tinker tomorrow. Might be able to dig something up on google or something, who knows
[11:39] <matt2> anyways, thanks again. gonna idle now... night all
[11:40] <marquivon> uncomment it (remove #), then run apt-get update and then through synaptic download whatever applications yu want
[11:43] <mojo> hi all ppl, I'm just a newbie here, hope some1 can help me out
[11:43] <mojo> Do I need samba package to run samba? I've already had smbclient installed
[11:45] <mteira> Is there any video editing application for the gnome environment?
[11:45] <mteira> Or some wip at this moment?
[11:45] <Lowe> Thanks marquivon
[11:45] <marquivon> Lowe, pleazure
[11:45] <subterrific> what is more cutting edge, testing or unstable?
[11:46] <marquivon> i'm so so so happy with ubuntu. i've installed it over mandrake its just fantabulous
[11:46] <jedi> unstable subterrific 
[11:46] <jdub> subterrific: sid (unstable)
[11:46] <marquivon> running beep now, playing all music, & the great evolution :-) thank yu ubuntu people
[11:46] <doko> subterrific: experimental (but don't complain if it breaks ;)
[11:49] <pitti> seb128: Hi!
[11:49] <Lowe> Should i install all upgrades?
[11:49] <seb128> hello
[11:49] <seb128> hey pitti 
[11:49] <marquivon> Lowe, upto yu. i think yu should install what yu need
[11:50] <jdub> Lowe: at this stage, yes, you should
[11:51] <jdub> Lowe: there are lots of fixes going in before we hit our Final release in october
[11:51] <Lowe> Seriously though, this distro is awesome. 
[11:51] <Lowe> Fast as hell. lol
[11:51] <mteira> I agree. I'm starting to migrate from Debian all my stuff.
[11:53] <Lowe> Well im quite new to linux. I have tried mandrake and suse, both which i didn't like, also i hate there stupid "you can only get this update if your a club member" crap
[11:55] <andred> I guess it's known that the Audio/Video tab is broken?
[11:55] <mteira> andred: I was thinking about filling a bug.
[11:55] <mteira> andred: Some CORBA related problem?
[11:55] <andred> Yes
[11:55] <mteira> andred: Same here.
[11:56] <mteira> andred: I'm not able to change the default program to launch MP3, either.
[11:56] <andred> Go ahead and file the bug
[11:56] <andred> But those are two different issues.
[11:56] <mteira> Yes.
[11:56] <Lowe> What was that other video player someone mentioned?
[11:56] <mteira> Lowe: Perhaps totem-xine
[11:56] <mteira> Lowe: The same totem using the libxine backend.
[11:56] <Lowe> No it was something else
[11:56] <mteira> Lowe: instead of the gstreamer one.
[11:56] <mteira> Lowe: mplayer?
[11:56] <subterrific> gxine?
[11:56] <Lowe> yes
[11:57] <Lowe> gxine
[11:57] <subterrific> totem-xine is probably better
[11:57] <mteira> Humm, my beep-media-player has frozen.
[11:57] <Lowe> Mplayer is better than them all, but im having problems with that.
[11:57] <Zomb> Lowe: they wanna be paid. Or who else should do that?
[11:58] <Lowe> i couldn't get beep-media-player to install
[11:58] <mteira> Lowe: Why?
[11:58] <Zomb> mplayer sucks in recent versions. Looses sync on Xvid files, window placement is awesome.
[11:58] <Lowe> I got some errors when i ran ./configure
[11:58] <mteira> Lowe: You're compiling it from sources?
[11:58] <Lowe> yeah
[11:58] <mteira> Lowe: It's packaged, perhaps in universe.
[11:58] <marquivon> Lowe, yu using sources?
[11:58] <Lowe> oh lol
[11:58] <mteira> Lowe: :)
[11:58] <Lowe> I will have a look hehe
[11:59] <mteira> Well, something got fixed.
[12:00] <Lowe> yay it works
[12:00] <mteira> Yesterday, I wasn't able to right click a song in a directory with UTF-8 encoded name.
[12:00] <mteira> Well, bmp wasn't able to get the name of the path correctly.
[12:00] <Lowe> btw how do you mount a partiton in UTF-8
[12:00] <mteira> Lowe: What kind of partition?
[12:00] <mteira> Lowe: NTFS?
[12:00] <Lowe> ntfs
[12:00] <Lowe> yeah
[12:01] <mteira> Lowe: -o utf8
[12:02] <mteira> Lowe: I mean: mount -t ntfs /dev/yourNTFSPartition /destination -o utf8
[12:02] <Lowe> hmm
[12:03] <Lowe> alright i will try it in a bit
[12:04] <Lowe> brb breakfast
[12:05] <mteira> Lowe: Breakfast? Where are you?
[12:06] <jdub> yo yo martink 
[12:06] <mojo> hi all ppl, where can I submit bugs??
[12:06] <jdub> mojo: see /topic ;)
[12:06] <mteira> mojo: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[12:06] <subterrific> yay, i found a reproducable crash in nautilus
[12:06] <mojo> thx
[12:06] <subterrific> bugz!
[12:07] <mojo> I got a bug with hw_random fail to start at startup
[12:07] <subterrific> mojo: i get that too
[12:07] <martink> yo jdub 
[12:07] <subterrific> make sure someone else has filed that bug already
[12:07] <mojo> so it's bug rite, not my fault
[12:07] <subterrific> hasn't
[12:08] <mojo> without hw_random started, you cant run Hal device manager or viewer
[12:09] <mojo> and has anyone got a bug VFS: cannot start ext3 if u choose Reiserfs
[12:10] <Lowe> mteira uk
[12:12] <marquivon> i've installed ubuntu alongside mandrake on one of the partitions without deleting the existing data. now i want to make it my primary system, but i've already downloaded many apps. can i install those apps without downloading again as the speed is not great here
[12:12] <mteira> Lowe: Is not the same time than here in Spain, 12:12 ?
[12:13] <Lowe> yup
[12:13] <jdub> marquivon: all the .deb files will be sitting in /var/cache/apt/archives
[12:13] <mteira> Lowe: Breakfast at 12:12 ? Great.
[12:13] <Lowe> hehe
[12:13] <mteira> Lowe: ;)
[12:13] <subterrific> mojo: i get that too
[12:13] <Lowe> Well i was up late last night, getting used to ubuntu. :)
[12:13] <marquivon> jdub, okay great. so i just need to dpkg --install *.deb, right?
[12:14] <jdub> marquivon: pretty much
[12:14] <jdub> marquivon: or just put them back in /var/cache/apt/archives
[12:14] <marquivon> okay
[12:14] <jdub> marquivon: and install as normal
[12:14] <jdub> marquivon: it'll grab from the cache first
[12:14] <marquivon> thanks a ton :-)
[12:14] <jdub> morning Keybuk 
[12:14] <marquivon> excellent work, love it :-)
[12:15] <jdub> great, thanks :)
[12:15] <Keybuk> hey hey mr jdub
[12:16] <daniels> Keybuk: hullo
[12:16] <daniels> Keybuk: slept well? :P
[12:16] <mteira> Humm, I would like to fill a bug about the Audio/Video tab not working. What component is that related to?
[12:16] <mteira> Perhaps gnome-vfs2 ?
[12:17] <jdub> mteira: which one?
[12:17] <jdub> oh, in nautilus?
[12:17] <mteira> jdub: Yes, in file properties?
[12:17] <jdub> what kind of file are you looking at?
[12:17] <mteira> jdub: Yes, in file properties.
[12:18] <mteira> jdub: A mp3.
[12:18] <mteira> jdub: It throws a CORBA error.
[12:18] <jdub> oh, nice
[12:18] <jdub> hold on
[12:18] <jdub> hmm, works here
[12:19] <jdub> that's nautilus-media
[12:19] <jdub> oh, not it's not
[12:19] <jdub> that's totem
[12:19] <mteira> jdub: OK.
[12:19] <jdub> do you have totem-xine or totem-gstreamer?
[12:19] <mteira> totem-gstreamer
[12:20] <jdub> aha
[12:20] <jdub> i have totem-xine, because i'm being naughty
[12:20] <jdub> one sec :)
[12:20] <mteira> :)
[12:20] <mteira> jdub: That way, gstreamer backend will never stabilize.
[12:20] <jdub> subterrific: it's going to get better :-)
[12:20] <jdub> mteira: i know. i'm naughty. i am a bad person.
[12:20] <will``> woah, i think someone is answering the question i was going to ask
[12:20] <mteira> jdub: I agree. :)
[12:21] <will``> about playing xvid avis in totem
[12:21] <jdub> mteira: i have the same issue
[12:21] <mteira> will``: Be bad as jdub. Install totem-xine.
[12:21] <will``> heheh
[12:21] <jdub> mteira: definitely a totem-gstreamer bug
[12:21] <mteira> jdub: OK. So, the bug is for totem-gstreamer. Thanks.
[12:21] <subterrific> jdub: i certainly hope so. i'm actually using the fact that ubuntu doesn't ship with ffmpeg as an excuse to learn the gstreamer apis and convert this app at work from ffmpeg to gstreamer
[12:22] <subterrific> it does audio decoding only, so i figure gstreamer can handle that....
[12:22] <mteira> I think that gstreamer bugfixing is really important.
[12:22] <jdub> mteira: aha
[12:22] <jdub> (totem-properties-page:11649): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: file gtype.c: line 2254 (g_type_register_static): assertion `parent_type > 0' failed
[12:22] <jdub> (totem-properties-page:11649): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: file gtype.c: line 2254 (g_type_register_static): assertion `parent_type > 0' failed
[12:22] <mteira> We need it ready.
[12:22] <jdub> (totem-properties-page:11649): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: file gobject.c: line 819 (g_object_new): assertion `G_TYPE_IS_OBJECT (object_type)' failed
[12:22] <jdub> Segmentation fault
[12:22] <jdub> mteira: run /usr/lib/totem/totem-properties-page
[12:22] <jdub> 
[12:22] <jdub> mteira: then open the props > audio/video tab
[12:23] <mteira> jdub: Yes, I got that.
[12:23] <jdub> looks like an upstream bug to me, totem related
[12:23] <mteira> jdub: I didn't need to open the audio/video tab.
[12:23] <mteira> jdub: It was enough to click on properties.
[12:23] <jdub> yeah, just open the props
[12:24] <mteira> Perhaps I should add this test to the bug?
[12:24] <jdub> sure
[12:24] <Lowe> hmm i can't delete something in the trash
[12:25] <subterrific> hmm, wasn't gnome 2.8 supposed to include Nettool?
[12:25] <subterrific> it seems to be missing from ubuntu
[12:26] <jdub> subterrific: good point.
[12:26] <jdub> not sure why it's not there
[12:26] <jdub> it is in the seed list
[12:27] <subterrific> its part of gnome network which includes remote shell and remote desktop also
[12:27] <subterrific> so part of gnome network made it in...
[12:27] <Lowe> How do you edit the App list?
[12:27] <Kinnison> Hello all
[12:27] <subterrific> Lowe: which App list?
[12:27] <Lowe> The one at the top left
[12:27] <subterrific> right click
[12:28] <subterrific> well, left click first
[12:28] <subterrific> and then right click where you want to edit
[12:28] <subterrific> and if you want to add something you probably want to do Entire Menu->
[12:29] <Lowe> Thanks sub.
[12:29] <subterrific> jdub: should i file a bug on nettool missing?
[12:29] <jdub> subterrific: yes please, assign to jeff
[12:30] <mteira> Well, I'm going to try my first deb generation using ubuntu.
[12:30] <subterrific> what is jeff's email address?
[12:31] <daniels> subterrific: all canonical people are reachable at firstname.lastname@canonical.com
[12:31] <daniels> subterrific: so jeff.waugh@canonical.com will get to him
[12:31] <vincent> hello ! do you add eagle-usb in ubuntu cd ?
[12:32] <jdub> subterrific: i just assigned
[12:32] <jdub> subterrific: you can also just put 'jeff' in the assing to box
[12:32] <jdub> subterrific: and choose between the jeffs if there's more than one
[12:32] <jdub> (btw, THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE)
[12:32] <mteira> jdub: :)
[12:33] <will``> woo, totem-xine is working a treat
[12:33] <mteira> Humm, too many heretics here.
[12:33] <mteira> :)
[12:38] <Linuxbcn> las
[12:38] <Linuxbcn> hi all
[12:39] <Linuxbcn> i see very people using ubuntu
[12:39] <Linuxbcn> i'm ready for my first installation of this
[12:40] <micolous> i've gotta finish setting up my ubuntu install
[12:40] <micolous> trying to remember how i tricked x into working with my laptop's videocard
[12:41] <Linuxbcn> shit!! i can't have a CD-ROM in this computer..
[12:42] <micolous> what, no cdrom or you just can't boot from it?
[12:42] <micolous> the second one can be worked around by installing grub to a floppy disk, and booting from that, then pointing grub at the cdrom (iirc)
[12:44] <psyklops> Are there any helpful network configuration tools in ubuntu? More specifically, something that can configure my computer to IPMasq (what I believe is the equivalent of Internet Connection Sharing) for another computer.
[12:44] <Mitario> hey everyone
[12:44] <psyklops> Hello Mitario.
[12:45] <Varjert> psyklops, you probably want to use iptables
[12:46] <subterrific> psyklops: firestarter is a nice gui for configuring iptables. i know the CVS version of firestarter does what i think you want, but i'm not sure about the current release version
[12:46] <psyklops> Varjert: Correction noted. Is there a network configuration tool for ubuntu that can configure iptables for Internet Connection Sharing-like behavior?
[12:46] <Varjert> psyklops, http://www.e3.com.au/firewall/index.php
[12:46] <Frozen> Hi, could someone tell me what is good about that ubuntu is based on debian...if u compare to other distros?
[12:46] <Varjert> because debian rocks? :p
[12:46] <psyklops> One word, apt.
[12:46] <micolous> Frozen, ubuntu actually has newer packages (:
[12:48] <psyklops> Gentoo would have made me give up on linux if I wasn't so persistent.
[12:48] <felixdz> I am trying to get MPlayer working. Bit lost on how to procede. I have downloaded the source
[12:48] <psyklops> (Gentoo was my first distro, never succeeded in installing it.)
[12:48] <Linuxbcn> i change the HD in another machine for test it
[12:49] <felixdz> In the README.debian it says   Recommended method is running "fakeroot debian/rules binary" in the top
[12:49] <felixdz>   directory
[12:49] <Linuxbcn> exist catalan language.. great!
[12:49] <micolous> dvorak keymap nicely hidden... bad! =\
[12:49] <Varjert> felixdz, then run that, and it will make a .deb
[12:50] <felixdz> What does that mean?
[12:50] <felixdz> top directory?
[12:51] <Varjert> well, first you install fakeroot
[12:51] <subterrific> you could just use the .deb from here: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/
[12:52] <Frozen> Im using FC2 on my main computer. Can someone tell me why should I chance it to ubuntu? or should I?
[12:52] <felixdz> i think i found the problem. No fakeroot package
[12:52] <subterrific> Frozen: because fedora sucks
[12:52] <micolous> Frozen, gnome 2.8?
[12:52] <micolous> the lack of rpm? (:
[12:52] <subterrific> its seriously the worst distro i've ever used
[12:53] <subterrific> ubuntu is so much faster on the same machine
[12:53] <micolous> how on earth do i set my console keymap?
[12:53] <micolous> (in ubuntu)
[12:53] <felixdz> Frozen: debian package management is so much easier then rpm. I also find Fedora slower to upgrade.
[12:54] <felixdz> I am running both on my machine though just so I know how to work with both.
[12:54] <Linuxbcn> i don't like the partition creation sistem...
[12:54] <Linuxbcn> is poor
[12:54] <housetier> Frozen, are you unhappy with FC2?
[12:54] <micolous> i found the partitioner confusing too
[12:55] <Frozen> not really, but ubuntu sounds little bit better
[12:55] <subterrific> do you use yum?
[12:55] <Linuxbcn> micolous: only have a "automatic" partition sistem.. i can't find a tool for make a "personal" partition in this HD
[12:55] <Frozen> yes
[12:55] <subterrific> yum is trying to be like debian's package management system, but using rpms
[12:56] <Linuxbcn> Mmmm no problem i'm using a old hd from my iMac ;/
[12:56] <subterrific> yum is horribly slow and doesn't work nearly as well though
[12:56] <micolous> Linuxbcn, there is a custom partitioner setup
[12:56] <Linuxbcn> yes (my english is bat, very bat) 
[12:57] <jdub> Linuxbcn: underneath 'erase entire drive' is 'manually partition'
[12:57] <Linuxbcn> too later
[12:57] <Linuxbcn> ;(
[12:57] <Frozen> btw, do u know any good sites where I can download *.deb software/games? *.rpm download sites I have founded
[12:57] <jdub> Frozen: apt-cache search games :-)
[12:57] <glyph> This channel has got to be the fastest-growing channel on freenode.
[12:58] <mteira> Anybody knows which package contains the makeinfo utility
[12:58] <micolous> glyph, how many people where here yesturday?
[12:58] <Linuxbcn> i test this option and don't permet make a custom partitions.. another time test more.. is posible the traducction to catalan language fail
[12:58] <glyph> jdub: I have a sorta bug report, but I can't reproduce it or give you any details because the hardware that I had the problems on is no longer under my control :)
[12:58] <Kinnison> Frozen: Also; if it's a 3rd-party game which is only available in rpm form; you can *try* using 'alien' which is a tool which can convert between package formats. (although it's nowhere near perfect)
[12:58] <glyph> micolous: I think 150
[12:58] <glyph> micolous: but I'm not sure
[12:58] <Kinnison> mteira: texinfo
[12:58] <Kinnison> mteira: Or at least it is on Debian
[12:58] <Linuxbcn> glyph: i reead over 200
[12:59] <mteira> Kinnison: Thanks.
[12:59] <jdub> glyph: get the evil necromancer to give it back.
[12:59] <glyph> jdub: the evil necromancer would probably steal all the blankets then
[12:59] <Linuxbcn> a simpel question.. what is the explication for this name.. Ubuntu.. 
[12:59] <jdub> man
[12:59] <jdub> that's harsh
[12:59] <jdub> Linuxbcn: it's a Zulu word that means "humanity to others"
[01:00] <mteira> Linuxbcn: It's explained on the ubuntulinux.org page.
[01:00] <glyph> jdub: I installed Ubuntu on Ying's machine, and it worked, but it had 2 problems that an install of Sarge using d-i did not
[01:00] <jdub> Linuxbcn: it is hard to describe all of what it means in english :)
[01:00] <Kinnison> mteira: If you download http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/Contents-<arch>.gz where <arch> is i386 amd64 or powerpc as appropriate; then you can zgrep that file and find things out :-)
[01:00] <Linuxbcn> jblack: great!! another "political" distro }:)
[01:00] <jdub> glyph: oh?
[01:00] <glyph> jdub: It decided that X was supposed to be at 640x480
[01:00] <mteira> Kinnison: Thanks for the tip
[01:00] <glyph> jdub: 60 HZ
[01:00] <jdub> glyph: was this straight off the preview cd?
[01:00] <glyph> jdub: yes
[01:00] <michi> hi ! can anyone help me with my problem ? when i try to boot the iso it hangs when it says : booting /install/vmlinuz ... iso is ok, tried to download it 3 times ...
[01:00] <Kinnison> mteira: another good tip there is to zgrep for bin/program if you want to find program
[01:00] <jdub> ok, we *might* have fixed that, depending on what caused it
[01:01] <Kinnison> mteira: that way you only get programs of that name :-)
[01:01] <glyph> jdub: it also recognized the network card during the install but promptly forgot about it in the actual dist
[01:01] <jdub> michi: there are some solutions to that on the -users mailing list
[01:01] <jdub> glyph: d'oh 8)
[01:01] <jdub> glyph: chipset?
[01:01] <glyph> jdub: it's an sk98lin card, if that helps
[01:02] <michi> jdub : under what topic ? didn find them ...
[01:02] <jdub> michi: don't quite remember 8)
[01:03] <michi> jdub : i cant see any posts ... do i have to register ?
[01:03] <jdub> michi: you don't have to join the list to see the archives
[01:03] <glyph> jdub: I may be able to dedicate a machine to testing linux installations soon, but a prerequisite of that (ironically enough) would be a legitimate copy of Visual C++ 6.0 and Visual Studio .NET
[01:03] <glyph> jdub: I will let you know as soon as I have more information.
[01:04] <jdub> glyph: ok, thanks
[01:06] <michi> jdub : i cant find any thread for this problem ...
[01:07] <mojo> hi all ppl. I've just got nvidia-glx installed but and change to nvidia in XFree86 config but still not work
[01:07] <mojo> can someone hlp me out?
[01:08] <aki_> Q: what app to burn audio cds?
[01:08] <HcE> cdrecord?
[01:08] <mteira> Will we have mach64 DRI support on Ubuntu?
[01:09] <aki_> i was looking for d'and d' mp3 to wav burn app
[01:10] <Lowe> k3b
[01:11] <peteog> mojo: did you add the nvidia module to /etc/modules?
[01:12] <aki_> Tx Lowe. Anything from the gnome side?
[01:13] <Lowe> k3b works in gnome, as far as im aware. But i dunno about one actually made for gnome..
[01:13] <petemc> nautilus-cd-burner
[01:13] <Lowe> Most burning programs decode the mp3's to wav anyway
[01:14] <jdub> yeah, n-c-b doesn't do the digital music to cd audio burning stuff though
[01:14] <jdub> rhythmbox (and muine) should soon
[01:15] <Lowe> I dunno why you can't use k3b. Works fine for me *yawn*
[01:15] <jdub> you can
[01:15] <jdub> it's installable
[01:15] <jdub> from universe
[01:16] <Lowe> Yeah i know you can, but he has some problem with it or something..
[01:16] <Frozen> is it hard to get ubuntu play dvds?
[01:16] <aki_> ok, will use k3b until something gnome comes along
[01:16] <jdub> Frozen: apt-get install totem-xine (from universe)
[01:16] <Lowe> k3b is pretty reliable. (haven't had a failed burn yet)
[01:16] <aki_> when i deinstall stuff how do i get rid of dependent libraries etc.?
[01:16] <jdub> Frozen: then check the videolan site for libdvdcss debs
[01:17] <jdub> aki_: aptitude/synaptic help you do that
[01:18] <Frozen> what about getting nvidia drivers? hard? easy?
[01:19] <aki_> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[01:19] <jdub> Frozen: install the linux-restricted-modules-* package appropriate for your kernel
[01:19] <jdub> Frozen: then install nvidia-glx
[01:19] <jdub> Frozen: ensure you're loading the nvidia module in /etc/modules
[01:19] <jdub> Frozen: then dpkg-reconfigure --priority=high xserver-xfree86
[01:19] <jdub> Frozen: soon, this will be automated
[01:23] <Frozen> OK, now I've desided to install ubuntu on my main computer to replace FC2
[01:24] <aki_> jdub: Can't find lyx or texmacs... Need it for work.
[01:24] <mojo> Frozen: do I need config XF86cfg file?
[01:24] <felixdz> I am getting this error message when running fakeroot debian/rules binary to set up mplayer...
[01:24] <felixdz> Error: X11 support required for GUI compilation
[01:25] <Frozen> mojo: for what...Im new to ubuntu btw
[01:26] <mojo> Frozen: okay...
[01:26] <jdub> aki_: you're looking in universe? if it's not there, they probably haven't built
[01:27] <felixdz> what have I missed??
[01:27] <jdub> felixdz: sounds like you're missing the x dev packages
[01:27] <aki_> jdub: yeah i did. how dangerous to mix in standard debian, use sarge or sid?
[01:28] <felixdz> apt-get install ??? jdub
[01:31] <jdub> aki_: best not to
[01:31] <jdub> felixdz: xlibs-dev should bring in everything you need
[01:32] <felixdz> Thanks jdub I'll give it a go.
[01:33] <HelloWorld> ho
[01:34] <aki_> jdub: texmacs is in univers today!! Was not yesterday...
[01:35] <mteira> What I would like to see in ubuntu is a gtk2 emacs.
[01:35] <Kinnison> That kinda is predicated on the release of GNU Emacs 22
[01:35] <mteira> I'm just compiling it now.
[01:36] <HelloWorld> does ubuntu have its own packages repository?
[01:36] <jdub> might be ready for HoaryHedgehog 
[01:36] <jdub> :-)
[01:36] <jdub> HelloWorld: yes, see the faq
[01:36] <aki_> is the devel repos up yet?
[01:36] <Keybuk> jdub: it's only worth the effort if they get rid of dodgy custom rendering and use pango
[01:37] <mteira> Keybuk: Talking about emacs?
[01:37] <Keybuk> *nods*
[01:37] <mojo> hey dev here
[01:37] <mojo> GAIM is up to 1.0
[01:37] <mojo> some1 upload new version ro reposisitory pls
[01:37] <Keybuk> jdub: gaim is probably work syncing?
[01:38] <jdub> Keybuk: seb's already on it.
[01:38] <Keybuk> thought he would be :)
[01:41] <mmedrano> I have just installed ubuntu on a nec versa lite fx laptoop. GDM freezes when I try to log out. Anyone know what is happening?
[01:42] <Frozen> If I dont update on the install can I do it later with apt-get
[01:42] <mmedrano> Can it be something realted to ACPI?
[01:43] <Frozen> I mean how
[01:43] <jdub> Frozen: you can to it with synaptic, a gui tool
[01:43] <Frozen> ok good
[01:43] <jdub> Frozen: or sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:43] <mmedrano> Frozen: yes, just enter in synaptic, add the repositories and update.
[01:43] <Frozen> ok thanks again for our help
[01:44] <felixdz> Now I need the "GUI requires GTK devel packages" Tried googling but most of the answers were in Russian and Italian! 
[01:45] <Lowe> pheew just had to move a load of furniture
[01:45] <Lowe> That will be me in bed for e month now lol
[01:45] <housetier> I wonder if "apt-cache search gtk devel" would come up with package names
[01:46] <jdub> gtk dev
[01:46] <jdub> :-)
[01:46] <mmedrano> housetier: look the package libgtk2.0-dev
[01:47] <jdub> (devel packages are -dev in debian)
[01:48] <Keybuk> gtk devel finds it, fortunately
[01:49] <Keybuk> libgtk2.0-dev - Development files for the GTK+ library
[01:49] <felixdz> Trying all of the above.
[01:53] <HelloWorld> heh
[01:53] <HelloWorld> i would like to let you know that mono is important for me and/or my projects
[01:53] <HelloWorld> :)
[01:54] <housetier> is mono usable already?
[01:54] <ickyGoat> g'morning
[01:54] <ickyGoat> yawn
[01:55] <HelloWorld> not in FreeBSD :|
[01:56] <jdub> housetier: tseng has an updated repo of mono software
[01:56] <jdub> it was mentioned on the lists a few days ago
[01:56] <housetier> I see I see :)
[01:57] <jdub> housetier: you can try blam (rss aggregator), muine (music player) and f-spot (photo manager)
[01:58] <Sameli> the Firefox UI is pretty sluggish, much more so than on Windows, any remedies?
[01:59] <HelloWorld> yes, threaten XUL developers
[02:00] <Lowe> My firefox is faster thany anything :D
[02:02] <OZ8AAZ> hello!
[02:02] <OZ8AAZ> anybody running Ubuntu under VMware?
[02:02] <will``> i tried, but didn't manage
[02:02] <OZ8AAZ> well, it works sorta great for me... except for the mouse!
[02:03] <will``> i didn't get that far
[02:03] <micolous> single clicks are registering twice?
[02:03] <OZ8AAZ> strange problem - everything I click on is clicked twise!
[02:03] <micolous> ah
[02:03] <OZ8AAZ> oh, u know :)
[02:03] <micolous> edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[02:03] <Tomcat_> I have that as well!
[02:03] <Tomcat_> Sometimes.
[02:03] <OZ8AAZ> roger that...
[02:03] <Tomcat_> Not on VMWare...
[02:03] <micolous> remove the entry for generic mouse
[02:03] <micolous> and remove it from the layout
[02:03] <Lowe> Anyone know a free image host? my paid hosting has been down for a week now :(
[02:03] <micolous> it's because you have a ps/2 mouse
[02:03] <OZ8AAZ> mico: wow, that easy?
[02:04] <micolous> Lowe, imageshack.us
[02:04] <Frozen> =( my ubuntu installation seems to be jammed on "setting up vino ..." already 15 on that
[02:04] <micolous> OZ8AAZ, yup, then restart X
[02:04] <JanneM> the installer keeps both configs by mistake
[02:04] <Tomcat_> micolous: Does that help if only sometimes the mouse double clicks?
[02:04] <OZ8AAZ> embarrasing I didn't check myself then :)
[02:04] <micolous> probably, but it only applies if you have a PS/2 mouse
[02:04] <Tomcat_> I got USB...
[02:04] <micolous> "all other mice are your own problem" ;)
[02:05] <OZ8AAZ> hmm, under VMware I thinks it's registered as PS/2... but my memory could be buggy...
[02:05] <Tomcat_> :I
[02:05] <Tomcat_> I might try it.
[02:05] <OZ8AAZ> brb...
[02:05] <micolous> OZ8AAZ, VMware probably simulates a PS/2 mouse.  i found qemu does, so does bochs, so logically vmware should too
[02:06] <OZ8AAZ> mic: you wouldn't happen to know the root-password then?! :)
[02:06] <micolous> goto a terminal and type "sudo su -" (without quotes)
[02:07] <micolous> the user you create may sudo to anything
[02:07] <micolous> when it asks you for a password, type your user password
[02:07] <jdub> OZ8AAZ: the root account is disabled :-)
[02:08] <jdub> like micolous says, your user has full sudo rights
[02:08] <micolous> jdub, and you want this on servers!?  i hope the next release will have better control of sudo
[02:09] <jdub> micolous: this is great
[02:09] <psyklops> (ack, how to ask a question based on a previous question)
[02:09] <Mitario> psyklops, just ask the question :p
[02:09] <will``> i thought ubuntu was a desktop os?
[02:09] <jdub> micolous: if you're installing a server, you'll know how to set it up for your requirements (if they differ)
[02:09] <psyklops> Its going to be confusing unless I restate everything, so I'm going to
[02:09] <micolous> true
[02:10] <jdub> will``: we're doing lots of cool desktop/laptop stuff atm, but it's not intended as desktop-only
[02:10] <will``> ah right
[02:10] <jdub> will``: if you type 'custom' at the install prompt, it will install a base system only :-)
[02:10] <jdub> which you can build a server from
[02:10] <will``> cool
[02:11] <psyklops> I needed to do something similar to Internet Connection Sharing, so someone pointed me to the Easy Firewall Generator for IPTables. My single internal computer is now able to ping addresses through this box. I don't have any DNS though.
[02:11] <housetier> could "ipmasq" be included in the next release?
[02:11] <jdub> housetier: isn't it in supported?
[02:11] <jdub> OUCH
[02:11] <jdub> it's not
[02:11] <Mitario> jdub, what time is it at your place now?
[02:11] <housetier> jdub, I don't know...
[02:11] <jdub> yikes
[02:11] <OZ8AAZ> no Midnight Commander?!
[02:12] <jdub> Mitario: 22:12
[02:12] <Mitario> k
[02:12] <psyklops> So, how do I go about resolving domains for my internal computer
[02:12] <jdub> housetier: could you lodge a bug, and cc matt and i?
[02:12] <housetier> I couldn't find it with synaptic, that's where I stoppped looking
[02:12] <housetier> jdub, surely can
[02:12] <jdub> thanks
[02:13] <Mitario> hmm, ipmasq, what's tat? :)
[02:13] <Mitario> that*
[02:14] <psyklops> Anyone know how I can set up a DNS server for my other computer
[02:14] <Mitario> psyklops, you want to set up a dns server, of you just want to add the one your provider provides?
[02:14] <housetier> hmmm where is the bts site?
[02:14] <psyklops> hm, nice thought... LOL
[02:14] <Mitario> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[02:15] <Mitario> of = or btw
[02:15] <psyklops> just forward her out to the DNS I use, what an idea. *head smack*
[02:15] <Mitario> heh :)
[02:15] <psyklops> I'll try it
[02:15] <psyklops> (oh wait, what DNS am I using...)
[02:15] <Mitario> you could check /etc/resolv.conf for that
[02:16] <psyklops> ah... that was easy to find *liking ubuntu more every minute*
[02:16] <psyklops> no, I found it in the network configuration
[02:16] <housetier> Mitario, thanks :) FF complains about certificates though
[02:16] <sanxiyn> psyklops: Cool.
[02:16] <Mitario> housetier, yeah
[02:17] <peteog> anyone have an issue with gpdf not working? just seems to hang while trying to open pdf files
[02:18] <jdub> peteog: try xpdf (which we're supporting instead of gpdf atm)
[02:18] <peteog> cool
[02:19] <Frozen> I just finished installing ubuntu...when I go to X, it starts flickering.
[02:19] <psyklops> okay, that didn't seem to work
[02:20] <psyklops> It should, since I'm able to ping the DNS
[02:20] <Mitario> Frozen, X is probably starting at a low refreshrate
[02:20] <Lowe> psyklops, you have to edit /etc/resolv.conf
[02:20] <Lowe> Well i did anyway..
[02:20] <psyklops> I did the equivalent
[02:21] <Mitario> Frozen, do you have the horizsync and vertrefresh values for your monitor at hand?
[02:21] <psyklops> unless... comma's aren't seprators like I thought...
[02:21] <Lowe> Well i tried everything, and the only way to get it to work was by editing that file. *yawn*
[02:21] <Frozen> yes...right now doing xf68config
[02:21] <Mitario> ok
[02:22] <housetier> hmmm what would I chose for "Component", is base-installer appropriate?
[02:23] <trukulo> housetier, yes
[02:24] <housetier> here it is: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1460
[02:25] <will``> hmm
[02:25] <will``> heres a fun problem
[02:25] <OZ8AAZ> thanks, Micolous! with the config-change the mouse works like a charm!
[02:25] <Frozen> aah...didn't work...the screen looks little bit the same when u run SVGA in VGA monitor
[02:25] <OZ8AAZ> This distro seems very impressive...
[02:25] <psyklops> Okay, my first DNS had a comma after it in resolv.conf. Removing it didn't allow domain name resolution.
[02:26] <will``> how do i turn the dolby-3d for the digital optical output on my nforce sound card?
[02:26] <will``> i want just standard stero, not dolby 3d
[02:27] <Lowe> my resolv.conf looks like this > hostname xxx.xxx.xxx
[02:27] <psyklops> I know how resolv.conf is supposed to look
[02:28] <psyklops> I just corrected a mistake I made because I thought a list of DNSs were to be separated by commas
[02:28] <psyklops> but that was apparently not the only problem
[02:29] <psyklops> How would I fing out where the breakdown is
[02:29] <psyklops> find*
[02:29] <psyklops> I'm able to ping by IP, but I can't resolve
[02:34] <psyklops> I just used the IP of yahoo.com in konqueror and it loaded the page
[02:36] <trukulo> psyklops, cat your resolv.conf
[02:37] <pbor> how would I go about installing all the devel packages required for gnome and general developement in one go? (I suppose they're not installed by default since ubuntu is just one cd...)
[02:37] <Kosai> `apt-get install \*-dev`.  ;-)
[02:38] <martink> apt-get install gnome-devel
[02:38] <Kosai> More seriously, "build-essential" gives you a C compiler.
[02:38] <psyklops> nameserver 24.95.227.39
[02:38] <psyklops> nameserver 24.95.227.40
[02:38] <pbor> martink, Kosai: ta
[02:38] <trukulo> try this psyklops:
[02:38] <trukulo> nameserver 212.78.133.138
[02:39] <psyklops> *time to run back and forth a lot to copy that over*
[02:39] <housetier> pencil+paper= teh win
[02:40] <psyklops> hm, works
[02:41] <psyklops> but why does that work while my ISP's DNSs don't
[02:41] <trukulo> because your isp's dns probably aren't working
[02:41] <psyklops> they work for the system I'm on now
[02:42] <trukulo> r u using dnscache?
[02:42] <psyklops> don't know
[02:42] <psyklops> am I?
[02:42] <psyklops> this is pretty much the default ubuntu install
[02:43] <will``> hm
[02:43] <trukulo> psyklops, fon't know
[02:43] <will``> why doesn't apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8.1-2-k7 work?
[02:43] <trukulo> s/fon't/don't
[02:43] <psyklops> well, I'm using dnscache if the default ubuntu install uses it
[02:43] <will``> looks like there are only old versions of the kernel-headers on the apt-get
[02:43] <psyklops> because I have no idea what it is
[02:44] <Lowe> +
[02:44] <psyklops> whose DNS is that anyway?
[02:44] <trukulo> dnscache saves dns querys on your machine
[02:45] <trukulo> so, resolves faster
[02:45] <psyklops> well, I may be, but what would that have to do with my ISP's DNS
[02:45] <psyklops> if that DNS wasn't working, what difference would caching make
[02:45] <psyklops> if there was no initial data to cache
[02:46] <trukulo> you said these dns works for you
[02:46] <Kinnison> If you install the 'host' program and use it to try and do dns lookups what does it say?
 they work for the system I'm on now
[02:46] <psyklops> trukulo: odd, maybe I typoed...
[02:47] <trukulo> psyklops, ah, ok, that's what i ask about dnscache
[02:47] <psyklops> 212.78.133.138
[02:47] <psyklops> oops
[02:47] <psyklops> john@setec-astronomy ~ $ host yahoo.com
[02:47] <psyklops> yahoo.com has address 66.94.234.13
[02:47] <psyklops> yahoo.com has address 216.109.112.135
[02:47] <trukulo> so your isp's dns doesn't work
[02:47] <Kinnison> psyklops: that's on the ubuntu box yes?
[02:47] <Lowe> woops sorry about that, lol i was moving my keyboard.
[02:47] <psyklops> yep...
[02:47] <Kinnison> psyklops: but 'ping yahoo.com' doesn't work?
[02:48] <psyklops> here, or on the internal machine?
[02:48] <Kinnison> on the ubuntu machine
[02:48] <psyklops> here yes
[02:48] <psyklops> this is the ubuntu machine
[02:48] <trukulo> psyklops, i don't understand you :(
[02:48] <psyklops> ack, sorry
[02:48] <Kinnison> psyklops: can you succinctly explain your issue?
[02:49] <psyklops> I'm no longer having an issue
[02:49] <Kinnison> oh
[02:49] <psyklops> since I configured the internal machine to use a different DNS
[02:49] <Lowe> wee hee i have a big chair now :D
[02:49] <psyklops> but... using my ISPs DNS it wouldn't resolve
[02:50] <psyklops> maybe using 1 DNS instead of 2 fixed it...
[02:50] <psyklops> I dunno..
[02:50] <Mayday> sweet, just found the gnome-cpufreq-applet :)
[02:50] <Lowe> Wow it's nice and easy to type now.
[02:50] <trukulo> psyklops, it seems no ubuntu problem related, only problem of your ISP
[02:51] <psyklops> actually, I wasn't linking ubuntu to the problem at all...
[02:51] <Lowe> Never blame the OS. It's usually a user problem :p
[02:51] <psyklops> it may be a knoppix problem, it seems to have alot when installed on the harddrive
[02:51] <psyklops> alot of problems... that is
[02:51] <SystemX_> how can i setup Ubuntu so it stops changing my system clock (BIOS Clock)
[02:52] <Lowe> I have one problem now, my mouse cord isn't long enough lol.
[02:53] <psyklops> look in /etc/rc6.d
[02:53] <psyklops> I think that hwclock.sh might have something to do with it
[02:53] <SystemX_> turn it on or off?
[02:53] <psyklops> well... I don't know what it does yet...
[02:54] <psyklops> but turning it off should be safe
[02:54] <SystemX_> already did that
[02:54] <Kinnison> I think the trick is to tell it that the hw clock is local-time
[02:54] <Kinnison> assuming you're having problems with dual-booting with windows
[02:54] <SystemX_> yea, i did that to
[02:54] <SystemX_> under /etc/adjtime
[02:55] <trukulo> how can you recalibrate batteries in ubuntu?
[02:55] <SystemX_> no i'm having problems w/ dualbooting w/ other distro's
[02:55] <SystemX_> normally during an install it gives you an option to adjust yr clock? i don't remember seeing one w/ Ubuntu..?
[02:56] <SystemX_> now it throws my clock all out of scew everytime i boot into it
[02:58] <werewolf> Removing docbook-xml ...
[02:58] <werewolf> /var/lib/dpkg/info/docbook-xml.prerm: line 5: update-catalog: command not found
[02:59] <werewolf> in what package I find "update-catalog"?
[03:00] <trukulo> apt-cache search update-catalog
[03:00] <trukulo> sgml-base - SGML infrastructure and SGML catalog file support
[03:01] <werewolf> trukulo: thanks
[03:01] <Lowe> Ok problem
[03:01] <Lowe> gxine closes after about 10 seconds of playing
[03:04] <housetier> any movie or just this one?
[03:04] <Lowe> let me see brb
[03:04] <SystemX_> do you have gxine in fullscreen mode?
[03:04] <Lowe> yes
[03:04] <SystemX_> thats why
[03:04] <SystemX_> it crashes at that mode
[03:05] <Lowe> that sucks
[03:05] <SystemX_> and has done so for a very long time
[03:05] <Lowe> That's the only way i like it
[03:05] <SystemX_> and since the project doesn't get worked on any  more, i don't think they will be a fix for it
[03:05] <Lowe> Any other players?
[03:05] <SystemX_> use totem or xine
[03:05] <Kamion> jdub: well, in theory it's possible to add others, but I'm not sure it's a very good idea
[03:05] <Lowe> totem can't even play it lol
[03:05] <SystemX_> use xine
[03:06] <SystemX_> yea, i don't like totem either
[03:06] <SystemX_> it crashes to much
[03:06] <Kamion> jdub: think of it this way: when we add progress bar support to perl debconf, each of the steps like "Registering documentation" should be accompanied by a progress bar
[03:06] <SystemX_> during just normal play
[03:06] <Kamion> jdub: a surfeit of progress bars gets confusing, so it's best restricted to the stuff that *really* benefits a lot
[03:06] <Lowe> If only i could get mplayer to install
[03:06] <Kamion> jdub: also, the whole thing is a workaround for the lack of dpkg hooks :-)
[03:06] <SystemX_> why can't you?
[03:07] <Lowe> dependcys
[03:07] <jdub> Kamion: aha, i see
[03:07] <Lowe> ask for arts or something
[03:07] <SystemX_> oh
[03:07] <Kamion> jdub: all that said, what example was on your mind?
[03:07] <SystemX_> i know they say not to, but i have had no trouble using sid repository's
[03:08] <mojo> hi ppl, sorry to interrupt the conversation, I'm just looking for the guide how to install J2SDK 1.5.0 on Ubuntu, hope some1 can help me
[03:08] <jdub> Kamion: fc-cache on font installs :)
[03:08] <ich> hey, how can i acces my ntfs partition?
[03:08] <ich> i mean of course read, no write.
[03:09] <Lowe> alright im off
[03:10] <ich> anyone know?
[03:11] <Gwaihir_> ich, i think u have to mount the partition first
[03:11] <mojo> excuse me, what command to enable "hald" service?
[03:11] <mojo> excuse me, what command to enable "hald" service?
[03:11] <ich> does ubuntu got ntfs support right outa box?
[03:11] <trukulo> mojo, hald?
[03:12] <Gwaihir_> ich: uhm, i don't know...
[03:12] <ich> it has!
[03:12] <ich> :) yeah, lets listen to some music...
[03:13] <psyklops> hm, how do you find other drives? it only sees itself
[03:13] <psyklops> add to fstab?
[03:13] <psyklops> or is there a gui way?
[03:14] <ich> no ive done "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1/ /windows" my file type is ntfs, the partition is hda1 and it shall be mounted to /windows.
[03:14] <ich> but i can only access as root, so ill have to add some commands to the fstab.
[03:14] <ich> i gonna have to google.......
[03:14] <psyklops> try the man page?
[03:15] <Frozen> anyone had problem that when going to X the screen flickers and it looks like when u run SVGA in VGA monitor. need some help here
[03:15] <Gwaihir_> ich: do u have the access to /windows dir ?
[03:15] <ich> yes i have
[03:15] <ich> but only as root
[03:16] <mojo> hald
[03:16] <ich> i dont know how to set up the rights so i can acces it as normal user
[03:16] <ich> hald?
[03:16] <mojo> hal daemon
[03:16] <psyklops> sudo chown -R yourusername yourusername /windows
[03:16] <psyklops> I think...
[03:16] <ich> oh
[03:16] <mojo> Hardware Acceess Layor daemon
[03:16] <trukulo> mojo: rcconf
[03:16] <ich> honna try it
[03:16] <mojo> let me try
[03:16] <SystemX_> ich, example of how to set it in fstab -- /dev/hdb1 /mnt/Winxp	ntfs	  noauto,owner,user,uid=you,gid=users  0 0
[03:17] <trukulo> or, /etc/init.d/hald start
[03:17] <mojo> trukulo: no rcconf command
[03:17] <ich> oh, thx
[03:17] <trukulo> mojo: sudo apt-get install rcconf
[03:17] <mojo> ok
[03:17] <ich> hey, that chat here is damn nice :)
[03:17] <mojo> there is something wrong, I enable hald
[03:17] <SystemX_> ich, just change uid=$ & gid=$ to the correct info, yr ino
[03:18] <mojo> but hal-device-manager still does not work
[03:18] <mojo> weird
[03:18] <Dooh> Hi
[03:18] <ich> @systemx, ok changed uid to my username, but what about the gid
[03:18] <Frozen> anyone had problem that when going to X the screen flickers and it looks like when u run SVGA in VGA monitor. need some help here
[03:18] <ich> what shall i add there?
[03:18] <SystemX_> what group are you?
[03:18] <SystemX_> i just use users
[03:19] <ich> i dont know
[03:19] <ich> just installed ubuntu :)
[03:19] <SystemX_> but i think yr username is a group as well on Ubuntu
[03:19] <ich> so ill stick it to users
[03:19] <ich> ?
[03:19] <SystemX_> thats fine
[03:19] <ich> ok
[03:19] <SystemX_> it should be fine
[03:19] <mojo> ok
[03:19] <ich> ganna reboot to try it out
[03:19] <ich> ciao
[03:19] <trukulo> ich, NO
[03:19] <trukulo> you don't need to reboot
[03:19] <ich> what then?
[03:19] <trukulo> only logout, and login
[03:20] <ich> ok
[03:20] <ich> ciao
[03:20] <Dooh> Is KDE available for Ubuntu?
[03:20] <marcp> lo all have any of you guys installed the nvidia drivers yet if so where can i find the kernel source
[03:20] <mojo> thx dude trukulo, I rcconf is mad tool
[03:20] <trukulo> mojo :)
[03:21] <ich> didnt worked
[03:21] <jdub> Dooh: it is not supported, but parts of it are available in universe
[03:21] <SystemX_> hey
[03:21] <ich> i dont have the rights
[03:21] <mojo> trukulo: it'd be nice if Ubuntu have GTK service tool
[03:21] <SystemX_> do you want it to automount or something?>
[03:21] <trukulo> ich, what do you wanna do?
[03:21] <ich> yes, it shall autmount at evry boot
[03:21] <Dooh> jdub: parts? :) Like i can't have the whole thing?
[03:22] <trukulo> ich, /etc/mtab
[03:22] <ich> in console or what?
[03:22] <lamont> Dooh: which arcitecture?
[03:22] <lamont> apt-get install kde works on i386...
[03:22] <Dooh> lamont: x86
[03:22] <ich> ive got it to work in fedora core 2 too in the fstab file
[03:23] <ich> i only had to search, wait...
[03:23] <Dooh> is it possible to add Debian reps to ubuntu?
[03:23] <Dooh> i mean use Debian packages from debian repositories
[03:24] <lamont> Dooh: well, you _can_ do it, but the libraries underneath things wind up being different, and ...  Much better to either grab from universe or compile from source.
[03:24] <Dooh> or is it officially discouraged? :)
[03:24] <Dooh> how large is universe?
[03:24] <ich> watch:
[03:24] <lamont> Dooh: that is, it is known to have significant issues, and is beyond the scope of any support we can provide...
[03:24] <ich> mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows -t ntfs -r -o umask=0222
[03:24] <SystemX_> ich, take out the noauto taga
[03:24] <SystemX_> tag*
[03:24] <SystemX_> and replace it w/ ro, and restart
[03:24] <lamont> Dooh: universe is "everything else"... atm, it's almost all of debian/main, modulo FTBFS's
[03:25] <ich> what??????? system x please chat
[03:25] <SystemX_> i didn't know before that you wanted it to automount
[03:25] <SystemX_> so take out the unauto tag and replace it w/ ro
[03:25] <Dooh> sorry, what's FTBFS's?
[03:25] <ich> no, no automount
[03:25] <SystemX_> ;|
[03:26] <ich> ive send you a message
[03:26] <lamont> Dooh: we're working on making the logs available, but if you see a package that has source in universe, but doesn't have binaries, holler and I'll (a) find the reason and (b) under certain circumstances, may be able to fix it for warty.
[03:26] <lamont> Dooh: patches, of course, are welcome. :-)
[03:27] <Dooh> lamont: great, thanx
[03:27] <michi> hi ! just cant found anything for my problem in the mailing-lists. when i try to boot the installation cd, then the pc hangs when it says : booting /install/vmlinuz ... any idea here ? iso is ok ...
[03:27] <Frozen> what is the nvidia modules name
[03:28] <lamont> Dooh: note that I didn't promise to fix anything...:-)
[03:28] <Dooh> and another question: i'ts said on the website, that a new edition is released every 6 months
[03:28] <Dooh> lamont: i understand :)
[03:28] <lamont> yep.  every 6 months
[03:29] <Dooh> does it mean, that i'd have to download a new image every 6 month? Or something like apt-get dist-upgrade is available?
[03:29] <lamont> it'll be dist-upgrade able
[03:29] <sivang> g'afternoon everybody
[03:29] <michi> hi ! just cant found anything for my problem in the mailing-lists. when i try to boot the installation cd, then the pc hangs when it says : booting /install/vmlinuz ... any idea here ? iso is ok ...
[03:29] <lamont> michi: what architecture
[03:29] <michi> i386
[03:30] <michi> same with debian sid isos ... i cant find any solution ...
[03:30] <Dooh> great... So, basically, it's Debian Unstable with GNOME-focus and more agressive update cycle :)
[03:30] <lamont> michi: so debian doesn't boot either??
[03:30] <sivang> Dooh : not only
[03:30] <lamont> Dooh: to significantly simplify things, yes.
[03:30] <sivang> Dooh : wider hardware support, as well as automation for various standard hardware installs etc
[03:31] <michi> lamont : no, it hangs when i press enter on boot-prompt, when i want to install it
[03:31] <lamont> it's a portion of debian/sid, productized and released every 6 months
[03:31] <sivang> lamont : heya, whassup?
[03:31] <lamont> michi: what kind of processor/motherboard? would be my question
[03:31] <Dooh> OK, thanx for the info
[03:31] <lamont> sivang: about to run off for a few hours, otherwise not much...
[03:32] <michi> lamont : mainbord sv266a by sintax and cpu is duron1600
[03:32] <Dooh> do you guys rebuild packages from source? Or use existing ones?
[03:32] <lamont> Dooh: all the packages in our repository were built from source on our build daemons.
[03:32] <Lowe> xine sucks,i need to get mplayer installed somehow.
[03:32] <lamont> hence a lot of the ftbfs blockage for universe...
[03:33] <marcp> nvidia help i need my wine x :D
[03:33] <Dooh> is there any chance of a i686 or i586 edition?
[03:33] <sivang> lamont : oh, well i myself havn't been feeling too well the last couple of days, so i'd come in and out ;-(
[03:34] <lamont> damn viruses anyway
[03:34] <michi> lamont : someone said, there are several postings in the mailing-lists for that problem, but i cant find any
[03:34] <lamont> Dooh: all the bits are tuned for p4, built to run on 486 and later
[03:34] <sivang> yeah, i've felt dissy since preview , tried all sorts of folk medicine. nothing worked 
[03:35] <sivang> michi : what problem?
[03:35] <michi> hi ! just cant found anything for my problem in the mailing-lists. when i try to boot the installation cd, then the pc hangs when it says : booting /install/vmlinuz ... any idea here ? iso is ok ...
[03:35] <lamont> Dooh: and built for p4/tuned p4 is something that we expect to actually try and see if it really makes a bit of difference sometime hoary-ish...
[03:35] <sivang> lamont : did your wife managed with evolution? or had you put here back in the known land of mozmail?
[03:36] <lamont> sivang: dunno
[03:36] <Dooh> something like -mcpuP4 -march386?
[03:36] <lamont> she dragged me out the door last night, didn't do much more
[03:36] <lamont> Dooh: in gcc-3.3 terms, that's -march=i486 -mcpu=P4, iirc
[03:37] <sivang> lamont : haha
[03:37] <sivang> lamont : that needs to happen from time to time ;)
[03:37] <Dooh> lamont: yep, that's what i meant :)
[03:37] <psyklops> michi: I have no idea what the answer to your problem is, and its likely that no  one else does. We are not ignoring you
[03:38] <psyklops> michi: do you have any more details that what you have repeated?
[03:38] <psyklops> than*
[03:39] <michi> psyklops : sorry, my english is not that good. it hangs when i press enter  on the boot prompt of the installation cd
[03:40] <psyklops> michi: maybe your system can't handle one of the commonly used default boot options
[03:40] <psyklops>  michi: try looking through alternative options
[03:41] <psyklops> michi: maybe one will work around whatever causes your problem
[03:41] <michi> i have passed all options from noapic, nolapic, nousb ... nothing works
[03:41] <psyklops> hm... I'm unfamiliar with the noot options myself
[03:42] <psyklops> boot*
[03:42] <housetier> michi, do other kernels work? other OS?
[03:42] <lowe_> why is there two of me -_-
[03:42] <michi> why kernel is ubuntu ? 2.6.8.1 ?
[03:42] <michi> yoper works, debian sarge works, mandrake works ...
[03:42] <trukulo> michi, yes
[03:43] <michi> okay, they all work ...
[03:43] <SystemX_> just upgrade, i'm using 2.6.9rc2 in ubuntu
[03:43] <trukulo> i've write an spanish article about installing java 1.5 in ubuntu (and sarge & sid)
[03:43] <trukulo> anyone interested?
[03:43] <housetier> trukulo, I am :)
[03:43] <mteira> trukulo: I am.
[03:43] <trukulo> http://mercurio.homeip.net/blog/34/
[03:44] <trukulo> here you are
[03:44] <mteira> trukulo: Gracias.
[03:44] <housetier> are there other kernels available to boot from?
[03:44] <trukulo> commands are the same in english, so you can translate it with altavista, there shouldn't be any problem
[03:44] <trukulo> mteira, de nada
[03:46] <housetier> hmmm after wget'ting jre-1_5_0-rc-linux-i586.bin one executes j2re-1_4_2_05-linux-i586.bin ?
[03:46] <mteira> Humm, I've compiled emacs-gtk2, but have a problem related with termcap.
[03:46] <trukulo> housetier, yes
[03:46] <michi> which other kernels are available 
[03:46] <trukulo> do you want me to translate the article in english? it's easy for me
[03:46] <michi> ?
[03:46] <mteira> emacs-snapshot-gtk
[03:46] <mteira> emacs: Cannot open termcap database file
[03:46] <housetier> trukulo, so I have to rename it?
[03:46] <mteira> Strange, I compiled it on Debian Unstable and worked fine.
[03:47] <trukulo> housetier, umm i don't need to rename it
[03:47] <mteira> trukulo: It seems that you made a mistake on the instructions.
[03:47] <trukulo> mteira, what mistake? tell me and i'll correct it
[03:47] <mteira> trukulo: Downloaded the 1.5 and installed the 1.4, perhaps'
[03:48] <trukulo> no, that file is 1.5
[03:48] <trukulo> it's sun problem
[03:48] <housetier> that's what I meant
[03:48] <trukulo> wait a moment
[03:48] <mteira> trukulo: wget ...jre-1_5_0-rc-linux-i586.bin
[03:48] <mteira> trukulo: And then, sh j2re-1_4_2_05-linux-i586.bin
[03:48] <trukulo> ups, sorry :)
[03:48] <mteira> trukulo: That's the mistake. The name should be the same.
[03:48] <mteira> trukulo: :)
[03:49] <trukulo> there's a problem, yes, i'll correct now, wait 5 minutes
[03:50] <lowe_> Has anyone actually managed to get mplayer installed?
[03:51] <lowe_> hmm so did i, but i got errors.
[03:52] <lowe_> When i try to enable the gui i get a libpng error.
[03:52] <Mayday> i dont use the mplayer gui :\
[03:53] <lowe_> Well when i run it from command line, i get no visual.
[03:53] <psyklops> when I try to mount my windows partition with "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /windows" I get "mount: wrong fs type, bad option...". What am I doing wrong? (I know I've seen this before... just forgot what to do)
[03:53] <lowe_> I hear the music though
[03:54] <lowe_> any ideas?
[03:54] <trukulo> java article corrected and published
[03:54] <michi> is gnome 2.8 available in debian unstable now ?
[03:56] <michi> hu ?
[03:57] <psyklops> ask in #debian
[03:57] <lowe_> finally
[03:57] <housetier> Lowe, /msg nickserv help ghost :)
[03:57] <michi> thanks ...
[03:58] <marcp> nvidia help help!!!  
[03:58] <Lowe> Anyone know why i can't see my video when i play it through mplayer? maybea codec or something?
[03:59] <psyklops> I just noticed the most AWESOME thing! Ubuntu is the first distro that recognized my 4h and 5th (or 6th and 7th in X's eye) mouse buttons without any config editing.
[03:59] <Tomcat_> Ubuntu is the first distro that recognized my USB mouse on installation ;)
[03:59] <Lowe> The main thing i love, is the speed.
[03:59] <Dorward> I'm in the process of downloading Ubuntu at the moment. SuSE impressed me that I plugged in a USB mouse after installation and it recognised it ... it didn't impress me that it thought it was a 7 button mouse instead of a 5 button mouse.
[04:00] <psyklops> I'm slowly beginning to place ubuntu near Debian on the top of my list
[04:00] <psyklops> of course, it is a modified debian
[04:00] <psyklops> but modified in a way that makes it better, heh
[04:00] <housetier> I think ubuntu is a Good Thing
[04:01] <psyklops> its got the user friendliness of Mandrake without stealing control away
[04:01] <Mitario> seb128, i'm applying your trashapplet patches upstream :)
[04:01] <Lowe> Anyone know any other repositeroys (or however you spell it) that might have mplayer stuff?
[04:01] <mteira> Lowe: No luck compiling?
[04:01] <seb128> Mitario: the module is on the GNOME CVS ? or you're applying them on your CVS ?
[04:02] <housetier> Lowe, if you start mplayer from the command line, it should spit out a bunch of messages
[04:02] <Lowe> It does
[04:02] <marcp> thanks for the help cya :P
[04:02] <mteira> Lowe: Have you tried with this: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[04:02] <seb128> Mitario: have you taken the patches in the package, or only the ones I mailed ?
[04:02] <Lowe> yes to many missing dependcys
[04:02] <Mitario> seb128, only the ones you mailed, an it's in my local upstream source
[04:03] <Mitario> i can't get a hang of Riff :(
[04:03] <seb128> Mitario: ok. Do you want the other patches now ?
[04:03] <Mitario> if you can send the remaining patches, or have a way to fetch them, that would be nice
[04:03] <seb128> ok
[04:04] <housetier> Lowe, didnt the output from mplayer give you any hint as to what is going wrong?
[04:04] <Mitario> brb, relogin
[04:04] <psyklops> when I try to mount my windows partition with "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /windows" I get "mount: wrong fs type, bad option...". What am I doing wrong?
[04:04] <Lowe> not really, and im having trouble copying and pasting it, hold on.
[04:05] <mteira> psyklops: Are you sure it's a ntfs partition and it's on hda1?
[04:05] <trukulo> http://mercurio.homeip.net/blog/34/ <- java 1.5 in ubuntu, spanish article
[04:06] <fred> hello
[04:06] <cybrjackle|lappy> howdy
[04:06] <SystemX_> hi
[04:06] <fred> i 'm testing ubuntu on Ibook G3
[04:06] <psyklops> mteira: lemme think for a second (I've done a few dumb things like that lately...)
[04:06] <fred> it works :-)
[04:07] <Lowe> Reading config file /usr/local/etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf: No such file or directory
[04:07] <Lowe> Reading config file /home/lowe/.mplayer/config
[04:07] <Lowe> Reading /home/lowe/.mplayer/codecs.conf: Can't open '/home/lowe/.mplayer/codecs.conf': No such file or directory
[04:07] <Lowe> Reading /usr/local/etc/mplayer/codecs.conf: Can't open '/usr/local/etc/mplayer/codecs.conf': No such file or directory
[04:07] <Lowe> Using built-in default codecs.conf.
[04:07] <Lowe> font: can't open file: /home/lowe/.mplayer/font/font.desc
[04:07] <Lowe> font: can't open file: /usr/local/share/mplayer/font/font.desc
[04:07] <Lowe> Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permission denied
[04:07] <Lowe> Try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system startup scripts.
[04:07] <Lowe> Using usleep() timing
[04:07] <fred> anybody know about gtkpbbuttonsd package ?
[04:07] <Lowe> Can't open input config file /home/lowe/.mplayer/input.conf: No such file or directory
[04:07] <Lowe> Can't open input config file /usr/local/etc/mplayer/input.conf: No such file or directory
[04:07] <Lowe> Falling back on default (hardcoded) input config
[04:07] <Lowe> sorry for the spam :(
[04:07] <housetier> Lowe, next time use #flood
[04:07] <|Q|> are you really ? :)
[04:08] <Lowe> so any ideas housetier?
[04:08] <psyklops> hm... looks like I was frustrated with linux's ntfs support before my last windows reinstall
[04:08] <psyklops> silly me
[04:08] <housetier> Lowe, apart from the RTC stuff I get the same, but then my mplayer starts playing
[04:09] <|Q|> try it as root with sudo? 
[04:09] <Lowe> I was as root.
[04:09] <|Q|> in ubuntu?
[04:09] <Lowe> yes
[04:09] <|Q|> so you reenabled the root acount?
[04:09] <Lowe> what no
[04:10] <psyklops> alright, new problem... I mount my windows partition (as type: vfat) and all my directories appear as files.
[04:10] <|Q|> the root account is disabled in ubuntu - doesn't even have a password.
[04:10] <Lowe> so i should create one?
[04:10] <trukulo> |Q|, use sudo
[04:10] <|Q|> no, just use Sudo from your user account.
[04:10] <Lowe> Thats what i have been doing
[04:10] <|Q|> trukulo - no shit.
[04:10] <trukulo> sorry, i mean Lowe , not |Q| 
[04:11] <Lowe> Well im not that stupid you know.
[04:11] <|Q|> :)
[04:11] <cybrjackle|lappy> or you could simply enable the root account and set passwd, but whats the diff 8)
[04:11] <mteira> psyklops: directories as files?
[04:11] <mteira> psyklops: directories as files?
[04:12] <SystemX_> the diff is you can log in a root the other way :)
[04:12] <fred> directories as file = do not hame perission to read 
[04:12] <fred> permission
[04:12] <Lowe> cybrjackle are you the guy from musb?
[04:12] <cybrjackle|lappy> i might be
[04:12] <Lowe> hehe
[04:12] <cybrjackle|lappy> ;)
[04:12] <Mitario> seb128, what is actually changed in ubuntu :)
[04:12] <cybrjackle|lappy> i'm like a virus, i'm everywere
[04:13] <seb128> Mitario: what ?
[04:13] <Lowe> lol
[04:13] <Mitario> seb128, about the trashapplet
[04:13] <SystemX_> i'm like a cure, veryhard to find :)
[04:13] <seb128> -> query
[04:13] <Mitario> seb128, the click, the no-trash-crash and?
[04:13] <cybrjackle|lappy> lol @ SystemX_
[04:13] <mteira> psyklops: So, try mounting it using -o uid=(your uid)
[04:14] <Lowe> brb 
[04:14] <ich> yeah, im back
[04:14] <ich> better than ever :)
[04:15] <SystemX_> thought you had work to do?
[04:15] <psyklops> how do I find out my uid?
[04:15] <ich> im ready
[04:15] <ich> evrythings done (school..................... :( )
[04:16] <ich> so i just installed lineakd through apt-get, and... it works right outta box with my MIK
[04:16] <cybrjackle|lappy> psyklops, sudo more /etc/shadow |grep justin
[04:16] <SystemX_> psyklops, what are you logged in as, thats yr uid
[04:16] <cybrjackle|lappy> justin:$1$ZtGgeo8g$rGFher.oDlV9s88iVp.x00:12678:0:99999:7:::
[04:16] <psyklops> oh, its the same as user name
[04:16] <ich> anyother question!!!!
[04:16] <cybrjackle|lappy> I'm number "1"
[04:16] <psyklops> I thought uid was a number
[04:16] <cybrjackle|lappy> no, udi is a number
[04:16] <cybrjackle|lappy> *uid
[04:16] <psyklops> hm...
[04:16] <mteira> psyklops: It is
[04:17] <SystemX_> uid, doesn't have to be a number int he fstab
[04:17] <mteira> psyklops: Just, as your user, type id
[04:17] <mteira> psyklops: Probably you uid will be 1000
[04:18] <ich> my pppoe connection works, but i must set it up new all the time i restart (i know my english is horrible), it always tells me after reboot when i try to connect hat i maybe got a kernel 2.4, so i have to do a pppoeconf.
[04:18] <cybrjackle|lappy> psyklops, sudo more /etc/group |grep justin
[04:18] <cybrjackle|lappy> justin:x:1000:
[04:18] <cybrjackle|lappy> or "id"
[04:18] <ich> how can i get the connection to be set up evrytime i boot?
[04:18] <cybrjackle|lappy> several ways
[04:18] <housetier> why not just "grep psyklops /etc/passwd"?
[04:18] <psyklops> yay
[04:18] <housetier> there is this thing about people and cat... ;)
[04:19] <housetier> people love cats
[04:19] <mteira> Stop hacking around. So simply as using the command 'id'
[04:19] <cybrjackle|lappy> lol
[04:19] <psyklops> I love cats...
[04:19] <psyklops> I must be a person
[04:19] <cybrjackle|lappy> just goes to show theres 10 ways of doing something in *nix
[04:19] <mteira> :)
[04:19] <mteira> A new way.
[04:20] <mteira> cat << EOF > getuid.c
[04:20] <mteira> #include <stdio.h>
[04:20] <mteira> int main( int argc, char**argv ) {
[04:20] <mteira>   fprintf( stdout, "My uid is %d\n", getuid() );
[04:20] <mteira> }
[04:20] <mteira> EOF
[04:20] <mteira> gcc -o getuid getuid.c
[04:20] <mteira> ./getuid
[04:20] <mteira> Just cut /& paste
[04:20] <cybrjackle|lappy> now thats the long way
[04:20] <Tomcat_> + Take out the timestamps and nickname :)
[04:21] <ich> hey, anyone here knows about pppoe?
[04:21] <mteira> cybrjackle|lappy: Sure there's a longer way.
[04:21] <cybrjackle|lappy> ;)
[04:21] <housetier> ich, when you use pppoeconf to setup the connection it asks you if you want the ppp connection up at boot time
[04:21] <mteira> Perhaps using C++, and creating a class named Person
[04:21] <psyklops> okay, there is no man for mtab like there is for fstab, where do I get info?
[04:21] <psyklops> info...
[04:21] <mteira> psyklops: What are you trying to do?
[04:22] <cybrjackle|lappy> long way = Computer/System Configuration/User and Groups
[04:22] <psyklops> info didn't work either, heh
[04:22] <housetier> ich, however, ppp is looking for an executable /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot which doesn't seem to be set/created by pppoeconf
[04:22] <psyklops> ehm... I want it to be simpler to mount from now on\
[04:22] <psyklops> a simple mount /windows
[04:22] <mteira> psyklops: So, you need an entry in your fstab.
[04:22] <ich> how can i do this @housetier?
[04:22] <psyklops> I guess so
[04:23] <mteira> psyklops: Something like:
[04:23] <psyklops> oh... nevermind
[04:23] <psyklops> I just remembered, the first time I tried it, I called it ntfs
[04:23] <psyklops> but it was fat32 (vfat)
[04:23] <mteira>  /dev/hda1     /windows    vfat     uid=1000    0  0
[04:23] <mteira> psyklops: If you want to be able to mount it as a normal user, then:
[04:23] <mteira>  /dev/hda1     /windows    vfat     uid=1000,user    0  0
[04:24] <mteira> psyklops: If you don't want it to be mounted at boot time:
[04:24] <mteira>  /dev/hda1     /windows    vfat     uid=1000,user,noauto    0  0
[04:24] <psyklops> do you relaly need the uid if you have the "user" option?
[04:24] <housetier> ich, you will have to accept the dcc
[04:24] <psyklops> I don't remember ever using uid before
[04:24] <mteira> psyklops: user is to be able to mount as an user.
[04:24] <ich> ok, i have
[04:24] <mteira> psyklops: uid=1000 is to fix the permissions.
[04:25] <mteira> psyklops: To map the mount as owned by your user.
[04:25] <ich> what now?
[04:25] <mteira> psyklops: Perhaps user is enough, I don't remember
[04:25] <psyklops> I think it is...
[04:25] <housetier> ich, now this script essentially calls "pon provider" which works in my case because I symlinke /etc/ppp/peers/provider to /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider (the latter is created by pppoeconf)
[04:25] <ich> what shall i try now?
[04:26] <ich> im a noob, i only used the gui network at fedora :)
[04:26] <psyklops> yep, no need to use uid in fstab
[04:26] <psyklops> another one down...
[04:26] <Kamion> hmph, it would help a lot if mac-io devices were pluggable :-/
[04:26] <housetier> ich, well since I talked about /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot having to be executable I suggest to copy it to that location and chmod +x it
[04:27] <Kamion> s/pluggable/hotpluggable/
[04:28] <ich> i lokked into that directory and the file is just there!
[04:28] <psyklops> *sigh* I am so full of questions.   Is there a way to view a file without the comments?
[04:28] <ich> i didnt copyed it there!
[04:28] <housetier> ich, so chmod +x it
[04:28] <felixdz> ich did you try the "sudo echo pppoe >> /etc/modules ? That fixed mine.
[04:29] <housetier> speaking of /etc/modules... any chance of including "modconf" in the future?
[04:29] <Kamion> felixdz: sudo will not work that way; the redirection is performed by your shell, which isn't privileged
[04:29] <Kamion> felixdz: you need sudo sh -c 'echo pppoe >> /etc/modules' to do that kind of thing
[04:29] <ich> it tells me that it cannot set the attributes cause it dindt found hte file, but i do  have her.
[04:30] <Kamion> housetier: we'd rather make everything work out of the box without the need for configuration
[04:30] <housetier> ich, tell us the exact error message please
[04:31] <ich> ok ,tried kamions version, worked
[04:31] <Lowe> guys did you see this http://slashdot.org/articles/04/09/19/137224.shtml?tid=154
[04:32] <ich> but ive got antoher problem, i can setup the connection and use it, butafter a restart it tells me that it cant exec the connection cause the kernel maybe is 2.4
[04:32] <[Scizo] > still need firefox 1.0 in ubuntu though :)
[04:34] <Lowe> just download it then
[04:34] <ich> what now?
[04:34] <jdub> [Scizo] : it'll be upgraded by final
[04:35] <[Scizo] > Lowe, naah .. waiting for the apt-get dist-upgrade magic to happen :D
[04:35] <Lowe> hehe
[04:35] <Lowe> I unbuntu only in beta just now?
[04:35] <[Scizo] > I'm very impressed by ubuntu ... never seen a distribution that 1) convinved me to switch that fast, 2) allowed me to setup the machine so fast
[04:35] <jdub> Lowe: preview, final is due oct 13th
[04:36] <Lowe> awesome
[04:36] <[Scizo] > still needs some more codecs .. or mplayer
[04:36] <Lowe> I downloaded unbuntu because it looked intresting lol
[04:36] <Lowe> yeah it definetly needs mplayer
[04:37] <housetier> ich, it could help to give us the exact error message
[04:37] <psi> is there a chance to get mplayer included?
[04:37] <vincent> seb128 ?
[04:37] <jdub> Lowe, [Scizo] : can't really do either, unfortunately.
[04:37] <housetier> maybe it hints as to where/how/why the error occured
[04:37] <ich> ok, i need to restart
[04:38] <[Scizo] > jdub, totem will do fine .. just miss some of the nice wmv etc. plugins
[04:38] <psi> totem doesn't even play mpg for me
[04:38] <psi> just a black screen
[04:38] <Lowe> totem is the suck inmy opinion
[04:38] <psi> i hear the sounds, though
[04:38] <seb128> vincent: ?
[04:38] <jdub> psi: install totem-xine from universe
[04:38] <jdub> Lowe: totem is great, with the xine backend
[04:38] <psi> i see
[04:38] <[Scizo] > also .. totem has this weird idea of making the movie area blue on first startup .. close totem, start it again and the movie plays correct
[04:38] <Lowe> I don't really like xine :P
[04:38] <psi> is it using gstreamer now?
[04:38] <jdub> psi: yes
[04:38] <moyogo> it seems totem-gstreamer has issues with video
[04:39] <moyogo> totem-xine plays them fine
[04:39] <will``> moyogo, i found tha
[04:39] <will``> t
[04:39] <HelloWorld> [Scizo] : do you have any idea why that happens?
[04:39] <vincent> seb128 :the inclusion of eagle usb is ok ?
[04:39] <jdub> largely because xine includes a lot of inbuilt codecs
[04:39] <[Scizo] > HelloWorld, no .. or i would have fixed it
[04:39] <seb128> jdub: what about eagle-usb ?
[04:39] <Lowe> In my opinion nothing is as good as mplayer.
[04:39] <[Scizo] > HelloWorld, for now i just close totem and restart it .. only happens the first time i start it
[04:39] <jdub> seb128: kinda waiting for matt to chime in on that
[04:40] <seb128> and matt is waiting on you ? :p
[04:40] <seb128> deadlock dude !
[04:40] <moyogo> simply add mplayer to your sources.list
[04:40] <jdub> seb128: he is?
[04:40] <jdub> seb128: bug#?
[04:40] <seb128> no idea
[04:40] <jdub> heh
[04:40] <jdub> good try ;)
[04:40] <psi> what's the issue with mplayer, anyway?
[04:40] <[Scizo] > moyogo, got a "link" to a repository ?
[04:40] <seb128> jdub: no bug, I mailed ubuntu-devel
[04:40] <Lowe> Everytime i try to install mplayer all i get is missing dependcys
[04:40] <seb128> no reply 
[04:41] <jdub> psi: the issue is a general problem with almost all media players
[04:41] <moyogo> [Scizo] : deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[04:41] <moyogo> [Scizo] : works for me
[04:41] <jdub> psi: serious patent/license/legality concerns
[04:41] <[Scizo] > moyogo, thanks
[04:41] <Lowe> I get some error about Arts or something
[04:41] <jdub> psi: we prefer to spend money shipping CDs rather than being sued :)
[04:42] <psi> jdub: it's such a shame that the situation is like that
[04:42] <daniels> jdub: shit dude
[04:42] <psi> why is xine ok, though?
[04:42] <daniels> jdub: i thought you were inferring that psi the app had serious licencing problems
[04:42] <jdub> psi: it's not, that's why it's in universe
[04:43] <psi> so.. could mplayer be included there?
[04:43] <seb128> jdub: do we have a module in bugzilla to ask for new packages inclusion ?
[04:43] <jdub> seb128: no
[04:43] <jdub> psi: potentially, but it only entered debian after the freeze
[04:43] <Kamion> hm, another reason why the final message in the first stage of the installer is necessary ...
[04:43] <seb128> that's why I've not bug reported but mailed the list ...
[04:43] <Kamion> (Mark was asking if it could be removed)
[04:43] <jdub> Kamion: which was that?
[04:43] <jdub> seb128: ok
[04:44] <Kamion> on my amd64 box, the eject succeeds, but as soon as the machine reboots the CD tray gets automatically pulled back in
[04:44] <jdub> heh
[04:44] <Kamion> so I have a real use case where the reboot *must* be human-supervised and there's no way to tell in software that this is the case
[04:44] <Kamion> (that's what I thought, but I needed proof)
[04:45] <jdub> we should do that booting-to-hdd thing by default
[04:45] <Kamion> booting-to-hdd?
[04:45] <jdub> when isolinux starts
[04:45] <Kamion> ugh
[04:45] <jdub> time out and boot hdd
[04:45] <Kamion> *which* hard disk?
[04:45] <jdub> unless there's a thingy on the disk to say not to or something
[04:46] <masquerade> hmm, question for anyone, does ubuntu still have debian's apt-get or is it something similar that points to ubuntu repositories?
[04:46] <jdub> masquerade: same software, different configuration
[04:46] <Kamion> the problem is AI-complete, especially on say powerpc
[04:46] <Kosai> masquerade: The latter.  It points to archive.ubuntu.com.
[04:46] <Qerub> I can't install Ubuntu in QEMU without QEMU segfaulting... I saw the page in the wiki... Anyone solved something like this?
[04:46] <masquerade> jdub, so its still compatable with regular debian repositories if needed?
[04:46] <Kamion> Qerub: please report that to the qemu developers
[04:46] <jdub> masquerade: no, see the faq :)
[04:47] <jdub> masquerade: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqfolder_view/
[04:47] <Qerub> Kamion: I know it has nothing to do with Ubuntu, just looking for someone with the same experience. And sure, I'll do that.
[04:47] <masquerade> ahh, alright, thanks :D
[04:47] <Kosai> Kamion: Ooh, your AMD64 box arrived?
[04:48] <Kamion> Kosai: yeah, on Friday
[04:48] <psi> is anyone running ubuntu with 64MB ram?
[04:48] <Kamion> it's ueber-shiny, only wired networking as yet though
[04:49] <Kosai> Kamion: Neat.  I haven't used one before, will have to drop by and worship it a little.
[04:50] <jdub> psi: i'd hope not. wouldn't recommend it. :-)
[04:50] <Kamion> Kosai: feel free :)
[04:50] <psi> jdub: i was going to try it :)
[04:50] <jdub> psi: it will run like a wet, electrocuted dog.
[04:51] <Kamion> jdub: shouldn't be too painful without the desktop
[04:51] <jdub> true
[04:51] <Kamion> you can boot with mem=64M to try it out ...
[04:51] <jdub> if you boot the installer with 'custom', the base system shoudl be fine
[04:52] <ich> thx!!!!!!!!!!
[04:52] <ich> now evrything works
[04:52] <psi> i was thinking of disabling gdm, and just use openbox together with gnome-panel
[04:52] <ich> internet at boot works too
[04:52] <ich> ciao
[04:54] <[Scizo] > any package in ubuntu that gives flash support in firefox ?
[04:54] <[Scizo] > some java package would be nice as well 
[04:58] <moyogo> [Scizo] : the FAQ says they are working on both java and flash
[04:58] <[Scizo] > ah
[04:59] <koke_> hi!
[05:00] <moyogo> [Scizo] : but any java or flash package for debian should work for ubuntu
[05:00] <felixdz> Thanks for your correction Kamion. I actually did it as su
[05:00] <housetier> ich has yet to discover "dmesg"
[05:02] <cgdef> does anyone know why ubuntu is still using xfree86 instead of xorg?
[05:02] <[Scizo] > moyogo, well .. i'd rather not "pollute" it too much
[05:02] <Kosai> cgdef: Again, it's a FAQ entry.  They'll switch for the next release.
[05:02] <tseng> cgdef, not enough time to work on xorg before the freeze
[05:02] <Kamion> cgdef: xorg wasn't considered quite ready by the time we needed to freeze that kind of decision
[05:03] <cgdef> i see
[05:03] <[Scizo] > hope you'll decide on x.org 6.8 
[05:03] <cgdef> I was just wondering
[05:03] <Kosai> I guess it wouldn't be too hard to get 6.8.0 running.  Mmm, compost.
[05:03] <Kamion> we've got Daniel Stone working for Canonical; I'm sure he'll make the right decision w.r.t. xorg versions
[05:03] <cgdef> well you might be wrong about 6.8
[05:04] <cgdef> it's easy to get it running but it is kinda hard to get it running well
[05:04] <cgdef> certain things are a real paint and apparently the xorgconfig script does not work as well as it should
[05:05] <cgdef> but that's just my experience
[05:05] <psyklops> quick dinner...
[05:05] <Lowe> yeah it wasn't very good
[05:05] <felixdz> I'm in dependency hell trying to install mplayer...
[05:05] <Lowe> aren't we all lol
[05:05] <psyklops> that tends to happen, felix
[05:06] <felixdz> I usually only get this with fedora
[05:06] <Kamion> what kind of dependency hell?
[05:07] <Lowe> mplayer-k6:
[05:07] <Lowe>  Depends: libarts but it is not installable or
[05:07] <Lowe>  	libarts-alsa but it is not installable
[05:07] <Lowe>  Depends: libdirectfb8 but it is not installable
[05:07] <Lowe>  Depends: libdvdread2 but it is not installable
[05:07] <Lowe>  Depends: libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 but it is not installable
[05:07] <Lowe>  Depends: libvorbis0 but it is not installable
[05:07] <jdub> heh
[05:07] <jdub> welcome to universe and beyond :-)
[05:07] <felixdz> Exacty what Lowe says. Me too.
[05:07] <Kamion> yup, suggests you forgot to add universe ...
[05:07] <Lowe> no i added universe
[05:08] <cgdef> I don't know much about debian so this is probably a dumb question but what is the address of the apt repository
[05:08] <Dr_Willis> cgdef,  thers a lot of mirrors for it
[05:08] <felixdz>  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe
[05:08] <Kosai> cgdef: Debian's, or Ubuntu's?  Ubuntu's lives in your /etc/apt/sources.list.
[05:08] <Dr_Willis> cgdef,  the config is in /etc/apt/ to show what ones are used.
[05:08] <cgdef> debian's
[05:08] <Lowe> I need mplayer so badly ;_;
[05:09] <cgdef> ubuntu doesn't ahave all the software that I wanted :(
[05:09] <Dr_Willis> thers an apt program to select mirrors for you
[05:09] <felixdz> I am also using deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[05:09] <Kamion> Lowe: I'd try 'apt-get install libarts libdirectfb8 libdvdread2 libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 libvorbis0' to see if you get a sensible error message out of that
[05:09] <Lowe> alright
[05:09] <Kamion> Dr_Willis: it hasn't been updated for Ubuntu mirrors yet
[05:09] <jdub> cgdef: universe ought to
[05:09] <felixdz> I'll try the same as Lowe
[05:10] <jmullman> is ubuntu supposed to have modconf by default?
[05:10] <Kamion> it might just be library incompatibility of doom
[05:10] <Kamion> jmullman: nope
[05:10] <jmullman> kamion: is the package available?
[05:10] <Dr_Willis> tryign to get doom working? the original doom? perhaps try the new variants like prdoom, and so forth
[05:10] <Lowe> lol
[05:10] <Lowe> However the following packages replace it:
[05:10] <Lowe>   kdelibs4-dev libartsc0-dev libartsc0 libarts1-dev libarts1
[05:10] <Lowe> E: Package libarts has no installation candidate
[05:10] <Kamion> jmullman: apparently it didn't build in universe for some reason
[05:10] <sivang> jmullman : modconf isn't even available in debian sid anymore imho :)
[05:10] <Kamion> Dr_Willis: er?
[05:10] <jmullman> ahh, so what do I do to have modules load/not load
[05:11] <sivang> Kamion : hi, whassup?
[05:11] <Kamion>    modconf |     0.2.47 |      unstable | source, all
[05:11] <Kamion> sivang: nope, it's still there
[05:11] <Dr_Willis> I've had huge issues with the official id doom  - the new doom variants are all more stable/better for newer disrtos from what i remeber.
[05:11] <Kamion> jmullman: send us mail with what failed to load automatically
[05:11] <sivang> Kamoin : i thought there was a reolution sometime ago to remove it. 
[05:11] <Kamion> Dr_Willis: "<foo> of doom" => nothing to do with the game DOom
[05:11] <jmullman> ok
[05:11] <Kamion> *Doom. I hate this keyboard.
[05:11] <Dr_Willis> Kamion,  LOL. :P
[05:12] <Dr_Willis> DUngeons of Doom :P
[05:12] <Lowe> hmm no luck it just suggests other packages
[05:12] <housetier> sivang, it is available :) http://packages.debian.org/modconf
[05:12] <Kamion> jmullman: you can edit /etc/modules too
[05:12] <Dr_Willis> Librianian of Doom. SLugs of Doom.
[05:12] <psi> are madwifi cards not supposed to found during installation?
[05:12] <jmullman> it's mainly the fact that alsa isn't working and there are a ton of fs modules that I don't need loading
[05:12] <Kamion> psi: don't think we've fixed that up yet
[05:12] <sivang> Kamion : I had congiured succesfully my iTouch 2.2 thingy. all multimedia button working in xine :)
[05:12] <psi> Kamion: ok
[05:13] <Kamion> oof, modconf build-depends on kernel-source; no wonder it failed to build
[05:13] <jmullman> I had to grab that anyway so I could get the nvidia module to work
[05:14] <Kamion> jmullman: we don't *have* a kernel-source, we renamed it to linux-source
[05:14] <jmullman> whatever it's named, I got the source to the kernel and installed it for that reason
[05:14] <jmullman> ;)
[05:15] <Kamion> jmullman: just explaining why modconf isn't available
[05:16] <jmullman> gotcha
[05:16] <psi> hm - how large is the default ubuntu install?
[05:16] <Lowe> This sucks, im never going to get mplayer installed. :(
[05:17] <Kamion> psi: 1.8GB (reduces a few hundred MB after the apt cache is cleaned at the end of the install)
[05:17] <Kamion> psi: it's documented in one of the CD help screens
[05:17] <psi> Lowe, i installed the vorbis libs and xv libs from apt, and then built from source. worked fine for me.
[05:17] <psi> Kamion, ok thanks
[05:18] <psi> i think that solution lacks xvid support though
[05:18] <psi> i'm not sure if xvid is in universe
[05:18] <JanneM> tried an install, but I never found out how to actually resize an existing partition to make space
[05:18] <Lowe> I hate building from source
[05:19] <Kamion> JanneM: press Enter on the partition you want to resize, press Enter on the size row, enter new size
[05:19] <Kamion> JanneM: if that doesn't work, it's a bug (and there are a few known bugs here)
[05:20] <JanneM> nope
[05:20] <JanneM> enter on the size, and it asks me if I wnt to do the changes and continue
[05:20] <JanneM> I never get to actually edit the size
[05:21] <Kamion> I thought I fixed that about a week ago
[05:21] <JanneM> previous to that, it failed to bring up the netwok, though I can't really see hw that could affect it
[05:22] <Kamion> JanneM: this is with the warty preview release CD, right?
[05:23] <JanneM> yep
[05:23] <Kamion> JanneM: which filesystem are you trying to resize?
[05:23] <sivang> Kamion : this is the partitoner bug?
[05:23] <JanneM> ext3
[05:23] <Kamion> sivang: you know as much as I do from reading the above :P
[05:23] <Kamion> JanneM: OK, I'll have another look
[05:24] <JanneM> the disk has three partitions: a 100Mb boot partition, the main partition (about 58Gb) and 1Gb swap
[05:24] <JanneM> trying to resize the main partition, obviously
[05:24] <jdub> night all
[05:24] <JanneM> night
[05:24] <sivang> Kamion : I checked it several times using both the preview and a daily, seemed to worked fine :-0
[05:24] <seb128> 'night jdub 
[05:24] <[Scizo] > night
[05:25] <schvenk> anyone know how to enable sleep/standby on a powerbook g4 in ubuntu?
[05:26] <JanneM> sivang: Kamion: don't know how it is built in the background, but could it affect it that I got to the partitioner via the menu, not just as the next step in the install?
[05:27] <Kamion> JanneM: no, if anything that should make bugs like that less likely to occur
[05:27] <Kamion> JanneM: it works for me just now, too
[05:28] <Kamion> JanneM: just triple-checking, from what URL did you download the image?
[05:28] <mojo> hi all ppl
[05:28] <psi> hi
[05:28] <mojo> can someone show me what I have to do after install nvidia-glx???
[05:29] <psi> have you changed driver in XF86COnfig?
[05:29] <mojo> to nvidia?
[05:29] <psi> yes
[05:29] <mojo> yes, I did and fail to load X
[05:29] <mojo> then I have to revert to nv
[05:29] <psi> you need to load the nvidia module also
[05:29] <mojo> at startup?
[05:30] <mojo> yes, I did load the nvidia-glx by using rcconf
[05:30] <JanneM> Kamion: from the Ubuntu site
[05:30] <psi> before you start X. you can add it to /etc/modules if you want it to start at boot
[05:30] <mojo> can u show me?
[05:30] <JanneM> Kamion: I was skipping around in the partitioning menus quite a bit
[05:31] <psi> mojo: just enter nvidia on a single line in /etc/modules
[05:31] <mojo> add nvidia-glx in/etc/modules
[05:31] <psi> then when you reboot the kernel module will be loaded
[05:31] <JanneM> JanneM: doing the install in Swedish if that helps
[05:31] <psi> no, not -glx, just nvidia
[05:31] <mojo> nvidia only
[05:31] <mojo> k
[05:31] <psi> you can try "modprobe nvidia" to load it without rebooting
[05:31] <Kamion> JanneM: I'm trying to make sure that you didn't download from /cdimage/sounder-test/current/, which is where the installation howtos mistakenly pointed at one point
[05:31] <psi> then you will be able to start X with the nvidia driver
[05:31] <mojo> do I need to remove load DRI in Xfree86config?
[05:32] <JanneM> hm
[05:32] <psi> no, but it doesn't hurt
[05:32] <JanneM> no
[05:32] <JanneM> though
[05:32] <mojo> ok let me try
[05:32] <JanneM> I have this install under qemu
[05:32] <mojo> thx much psi
[05:32] <JanneM> just tried it there and I have the same problem
[05:32] <mojo> I begin to love Ubuntu community
[05:32] <mojo> thx much
[05:32] <psi> you're welcome
[05:32] <JanneM> so I will redownload the CD image and try again
[05:32] <Kamion> JanneM: use rsync rather than redownloading
[05:32] <Kosai> JanneM: You might as well MD5sum the image you have.
[05:32] <psi> from what I hear, they are trying to make this process easier, but for now you have to do it manually, mojo
[05:33] <Kamion> oh my GOD modconf's build process is hideous
[05:33] <JanneM> :)
[05:33] <mjg59> Has modconf actually been fixed to work with 2.6?
[05:34] <Kamion> mjg59: there's some 2.6 stuff in its source package
[05:34] <Kamion> mjg59: dunno how well it works
[05:34] <Kamion> it needs to be fixed in the way that overly-hormonal animals are fixed
[05:35] <JanneM> the md5sum is the same as for the downloadable image on http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu-cdimage/releases/warty/preview/
[05:39] <ich> hi
[05:39] <ich> a new problem
[05:39] <schvenk> is there any way to mount an HFS+ volume like a normal volume?
[05:39] <ich> amule, is there a amule 2... version out there, i cant get it to compule so i would like a deb package.
[05:40] <Deft> schvenk, what is abnormal about it?
[05:41] <Kamion> schvenk: mount -t hfsplus
[05:42] <Kamion> schvenk: if you just use plain 'mount' then it'll get mounted as hfs, which won't be very useful
[05:43] <schvenk> kamion: sweet, thanks
[05:44] <schvenk> to mount that automatically at startup, do i just edit /etc/fstab or is there a more appropriate way?
[05:44] <Clint> ich: file a bug in bugzilla if there isn't already one
[05:44] <Kamion> schvenk: I'd edit /etc/fstab, yeah
[05:53] <felixdz> Got mplayer working sort of. used this sources list: http://muse.linuxmafia.org/lost+found/apt/sources.list
[05:55] <felixdz> Problem now I get sound error: alsa-contro: mixer attach /dev/mixer error: no such file or directory
[05:55] <wm_eddie> why is his sources.list in lost+found...
[05:55] <housetier> its just a directory
[05:56] <felixdz> It is not in lost and found. That is the url of website with sources list for lots of unnoffical sources.
[05:57] <felixdz> /etc/apt/sources list like everyone else.
[05:57] <Tomcat_> Whoever suggested taking out the Generic Mouse in XFree86Config in VMWare -> Thanks :)
[05:57] <Tomcat_> Works for my regular USB mouse as well.
[05:57] <felixdz> Should be a . there. death to typos!
[05:57] <Tomcat_> At least seems to work.
[05:59] <Jotun> This distro has quickly become my favorite. Many years in Linux and I've never felt any distro did my needs justice, until now. God bless the devs, really.
[05:59] <mike_w> ditto - it rocks, and I'm just a newbie
[05:59] <Loduriel> how to get totem to read divx? do I need to install totem-xine?
[05:59] <pr0c> Jotun, my favorite distro too, cept i missed something compiling my kernel and can't boot it, can't find what i missed either damnit!
[05:59] <mike_w> Can anyone tell me if bootsplash is included (and not working for me), or just to be included in gold version?
[06:00] <pr0c> mike_w, i never saw one
[06:00] <pr0c> saw it*
[06:00] <Tomcat_> Ack Jotun :)
[06:00] <mike_w> there's some good looking stuff on wiki, but dunno if it's in yet
[06:00] <Tomcat_> Any suggestions for using Windows net_send / Windows messaging from Ubuntu?
[06:02] <Kamion> mike_w: the userspace bootsplash project didn't make it for warty; it's been bumped to hoary
[06:02] <Kamion> (i.e. the next release)
[06:02] <mike_w> ;-(
[06:03] <Kamion> it took a fair bit of design; the traditional bootsplash hack broke our installer when we tried to drop it straight in
[06:03] <mike_w> the stuff on wiki looked great. think it's possible for me to build it into my sys?
[06:04] <Kamion> mike_w: the code'll be going into the hoary development repository more or less as soon as it opens, I believe, so you could follow that
[06:04] <Kamion> that's only a month or so as opposed to the six-and-a-half months until hoary releases
[06:04] <mike_w> kamion: will the hoary rep open when warty releases?
[06:05] <Kamion> mike_w: about then, yes
[06:05] <Kamion> (don't know the exact plans actually)
[06:05] <mike_w> kamion: so best to wait until then, rather than risk breaking things?!
[06:06] <Kamion> mike_w: well, as far as I can see none of the code is actually on the wiki yet, so I don't see how you could start using it yet :)
[06:06] <mike_w> Kamion: oh, ok - gotcha. how about beautifying grub, can I just link the .xpm image I found, or is it not that simple?
[06:07] <Kamion> ubuntu-artwork already hooks into grub
[06:07] <mike_w> hmm.. mine doesn't! Is there a config app somewhere?
[06:07] <Kamion> tweaking the grub configuration to show the menu should be sufficient
[06:08] <jesse_132> is there a proper way to add new software so I don't mess up ubuntu...  For instance  I want to get blam 1.4.1 ... so I was going to ./configure --prefix=/usr ; make ; sudo make install  ... will this fsck things up?  
[06:08] <mike_w> as in commenting out the hidemenu bit? tried that
[06:08] <Kamion> jesse_132: DON'T use --prefix=/usr, use /usr/local
[06:09] <jesse_132> Kamion, then do I remove the blam package installed in /usr/local via apt or synaptic?
[06:09] <Kamion> jesse_132: neither
[06:09] <Kamion> software installed in /usr/local is your own problem to manage; nothing in Ubuntu will touch it
[06:10] <jesse_132> Kamion, I didn't think /usr/local was higher in the path listing by default ...
[06:10] <Kamion> jesse_132: the 'stow' package in universe may help you keep things organized if you're putting a lot of stuff in /usr/local
[06:11] <Kamion> jesse_132: /usr/local comes first in $PATH
[06:11] <jesse_132> Kamion, thanks for the help :)
[06:12] <Kamion> cjwatson@cittagazze ~ $ echo $PATH
[06:12] <Kamion> /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/g
[06:12] <Kamion> ames
[06:12] <mike_w> Kamion: sorry to be a pain, how do I configure grub splash screen?
[06:12] <Kamion> mike_w: you'll have to wait until I finish this install so I can experiment
[06:13] <mike_w> okay - tnxs and sorry!
[06:13] <Kamion> no problem
[06:22] <istari> hi there!
[06:23] <_axel> hi
[06:23] <istari> i did read anything about a live cd on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.8537444623/view?searchterm=live%20cd
[06:23] <istari> is this cd anywhere available? :))
[06:28] <damonlynch> istari, http://people.no-name-yet.com/~mdz/ubuntu-live/current/
[06:29] <istari> damonlynch: tnx ;)
[06:31] <psyklops> I don't know what I did to cause this, but every time I login the desktop loading splash (whatever you call it) refuses to go away for over a minute. Everything is done loading, it just sits there.
[06:31] <psyklops> Any idea how to make it terminate normally after it finishes loading?
[06:31] <sladen> psyklops: what happens when it does go away?
[06:32] <psyklops> I never managed to wait that long...
[06:32] <sladen> psyklops: is it because another backdrop is loaded?
[06:32] <psyklops> but, I can't log out until it goes away
[06:32] <psyklops> another backdrop?
[06:32] <sladen> psyklops: is the small box in the centre of the screen ?
[06:32] <psyklops> yes
[06:33] <sladen> psyklops: and that just stays there?  after the menus have appeared?
[06:33] <psyklops> yep
[06:33] <psyklops> and if I had "saved current settings" before, it locks up after the last program loaded
[06:33] <psyklops> (wow, lots of tense problems in that sentence)
[06:35] <psi__> hm, how do you setup wep? the network settings application does not ask anything about it
[06:35] <sladen> psyklops: with the box still in the centre, can you use the menus?
[06:36] <psyklops> yes
[06:36] <mike_w> anyone know if there is a panel applet for evolution (i.e. if you have new mail)?
[06:36] <Kosai> Yes, called evolution-biff or something.
[06:37] <psyklops> and if I click the box to make it disappear, I can't log out for a time I presume is how long it would take for the box to disappear on its own.
[06:37] <mike_w> kosai: thanks
[06:40] <Lowe> is there any other repositorys with more stuff? stupid mplayer needs loads of crap -_-
[06:41] <trukulo> Lowe, use marillat repository
[06:43] <Lowe> I already am, there isn't enough in it. -_-
[06:43] <_axel> uhm, that evolutionbiff thingy is for kde it seems
[06:44] <mike_w> yeah, was looking for it. there's a mail notification applet in ubuntu, but I don't know where to point it
[06:44] <Kosai> Oh, yes, that'd probably work.  I think the evolution mbox path is .evolution/local/Inbox or something.
[06:47] <mike_w> doesn't seem to respond to new mail - I take it evolution uses a 'local maildir' rather than a 'local mailspool'?
[06:47] <mike_w> ah - got it
[06:49] <pr0c> I swear that ubuntu randomly double clicks things, anyone else notice that? like I'll click on gaim and two instances will open, same with browser etc randomly..
[06:49] <OZ8AAZ> pr0c: it's known
[06:49] <mike_w> read about that on the users list - something to do with your mouse being defined twice
[06:49] <Lowe> I don't get that problem.
[06:49] <pr0c> OZ8AAZ, at least i'm not crazy!
[06:50] <OZ8AAZ> pr0c: comment out Generic mouse in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[06:50] <OZ8AAZ> are you familiar with that operation?
[06:50] <pr0c> oh simple fix, i see it
[06:50] <pr0c> damn i should have looked sooner, thank you
[06:51] <OZ8AAZ> hehe, I made exactly the same "error" earlier today...
[06:52] <OZ8AAZ> maybe it should be put on Ubuntu-web-frontpage :)
[06:52] <mike_w> great - the new mail notification applet works great, except it doesn't seem to reset
[06:55] <OZ8AAZ> so, Pr0c - did it work?
[06:59] <_axel> i find the mail notification applet a bit poor -- no way to make it show a dancing penguin or anything nicer than a dull 'no messages' label?
[06:59] <Lowe> lol a dancing penguin 
[07:00] <_axel> heh, dunno, but the dancing penguin was in gnome2.6 iirc
[07:00] <mike_w> you can make it show a dancing penguin in prefs, once it says you have mail though, the only way to revert it back to not having mail is to remove it and add it again (!)
[07:00] <_axel> oh damnit i hadnt seen the 'select animation' option!
[07:00] <Deft> mike_w, it will catch up after a while and go back to the real number
[07:00] <Lowe> Can comeone buy me a dancing penguin? ._.
[07:01] <_axel> gah, the background is not transparent, that looks really weak
[07:01] <_axel> i'll have to check out gnubiff but i hate it cause the dancing penguin is too big ;)
[07:01] <jcontonio> I know this has probably been asked a million times, but anyway to get ubuntu and a airport extreme card working?
[07:02] <Lowe> I can't unmouny my ntfs partiton. Says device is busy. -_-
[07:02] <mike_w> Deft: cheers. I would have thought 'update' would fix it though?
[07:02] <Lowe> unmount*
[07:02] <Deft> mike_w, I thought that for a while, but the evidence was against it...
[07:03] <mike_w> Deft: as in, it will only reverT back after a while, but not after an update?
[07:04] <jcontonio> anyone using this on a ppc?
[07:04] <Deft> mike_w, after a random number of updates/amount of time it works it out, otherwise it seems to just keep adding the new mail to its own count
[07:05] <Kamion> jcontonio: airport extreme cards are not supported by Linux at all, sorry
[07:05] <Kamion> jcontonio: Broadcom haven't released the specifications
[07:06] <mike_w> Deft, weird - thanks though. is there a better / easy way of doing it?
[07:07] <jcontonio> Kamion, is there anyway to use that ndiswrapper?
[07:07] <jcontonio> Kamion, and do you know about any keys to get right and middle clicks on a mac
[07:09] <Lowe> How the heck do i get the home folder on my desktop? -_-
[07:09] <_axel> there's a gconf option for that i think
[07:09] <Kamion> jcontonio: ndiswrapper is i386-only, as far as I know
[07:09] <Mayday> Lowe: wiki.ubuntulinux.org has info to enable the desktop icons
[07:10] <_axel> Lowe: /apps/nautilus/preferences/desktop_is_home_dir
[07:10] <Kamion> jcontonio: F11 and F12; see /etc/sysctl.conf
[07:10] <jcontonio> oh thank you very much
[07:10] <mike_w> is there a start-here or similar menu to get to sys config apps in ubuntu? where?
[07:11] <mike_w> or is all of that included in the Computer menu?
[07:11] <jcontonio> Kamion, so if I were to get an external pci card for wireless, what do you recommend
[07:14] <Lowe> That's better. :)
[07:15] <werewolf> what package I have to install for having a minimal gnome desktop? nautilus, firefox and trash icon
[07:15] <bolivar> werewolf: havent found that out yet
[07:16] <bolivar> i tried it but it DIDNT go well hehe
[07:16] <Kamion> jcontonio: if you mean PCMCIA/CardBus, I use the CardBus model from www.netgate.com; any Prism 2-type card should work well
[07:16] <jcontonio> ok thank you
[07:16] <jcontonio> Kamion, so in that conf file I can change the F11 and F12?
[07:17] <peterray> hi 
[07:17] <bolivar> howdy peterray
[07:18] <Kamion> jcontonio: yes, then run 'sysctl -p'; you can work out the keycodes with showkey
[07:18] <Kamion> note that showkey outputs hexadecimal while the sysctl wants decimal, so you'll have to convert
[07:21] <Adonijah> werewolf, there isn't such a thing afaik
[07:23] <peterray> I've found a bug in ubuntu installation
[07:23] <Adonijah> think so? what is it?
[07:24] <peterray> There isn't the 3c940 module in the kernel
[07:24] <Adonijah> how is that a bug?
[07:24] <peterray> this module is present in debian sarge 
[07:25] <peterray> this network card is present in more mobo
[07:25] <kagou> hi guys
[07:25] <nawty> gday, how would one check to see if cacti 0.8.6 has been committed to debian ? 
[07:25] <Adonijah> peterray, i would say lack of hardware support, not a bug
[07:25] <Adonijah> peterray, ubuntu != sarge
[07:25] <peterray> Adonijah, sorry
[07:25] <Kamion> Adonijah: ease up, it's sometimes the same thing :)
[07:25] <Adonijah> i'm not being mean, just saying ;)
[07:26] <Adonijah> sk98lin should work with 3c940 anyway...
[07:26] <Kamion> peterray: I don't see that module in sarge
[07:26] <peterray> I know that ubuntu != sarge
[07:26] <Kamion> peterray: where is it?
[07:26] <nawty> anyone ? 
[07:26] <peterray> Kamion, I've write the name of the netcard 
[07:26] <Kamion> peterray: we'd need the name of the module
[07:26] <Adonijah> peterray, have you tried the sk98lin module?
[07:26] <Adonijah> peterray, that usually supports the 3c940
[07:26] <peterray> Adonijah, I doesnt' work
[07:27] <Kamion> as Adonijah says, that's the module documented in the kernel source as supporting 3c940
[07:27] <peterray> mmmm
[07:27] <Kamion> peterray: there was an upload recently to fix some issue with sk98lin
[07:27] <peterray> ok 
[07:28] <Adonijah> kernel bug then...neat
[07:28] <peterray> but why installation system doesn't find it?
[07:28] <Kamion> peterray: doesn't find it at all? does 'lsmod | grep sk98lin' on tty2 show anything?
[07:29] <Kamion>  linux-source-2.6.8.1 (2.6.8.1-6) warty; urgency=low                                                                                                                      
[07:29] <peterray> anything
[07:29] <Kamion>  .                                                                                                                                                                        
[07:29] <Kamion>    * Updated sk98lin PCI table based on skge_probe() in                                                                                                                   
[07:29] <Kamion>      drivers/net/sk98lin/skge.c (Herbert Xu).                                                                                                                             
[07:29] <Kamion> ?
[07:29] <Adonijah> yeah, sk98lin is definitely the driver that's supposed to support 3c940
[07:29] <peterray> ok
[07:30] <peterray> I try 
[07:30] <Kamion> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1141 says that it works pre-reboot but not post-reboot
[07:30] <nawty> anyone ? 
[07:30] <Kamion> peterray: if the card doesn't work in the installer, before the first reboot, then please send us the output of 'lspci' and 'lspci -n' so that we can update the hardware database
[07:31] <peterray> ok
[07:31] <Kamion> nawty: not exactly a question for #ubuntu
[07:31] <Kamion> nawty: but you could look at http://packages.debian.org/ or http://packages.qa.debian.org/
[07:31] <Adonijah> Kamion, does any of the project leads know that downloading http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/source/Sources.gz has been broken for about 4 days now in apt-get? :)
[07:32] <nawty> Kamion: doesnt look like it 
[07:32] <Adonijah> Kamion, i haven't see any mention of it...
[07:32] <Kamion> Adonijah: you sure it's broken for everyone, or just you?
[07:32] <Adonijah> Kamion, a few others have mentioned it
[07:32] <Adonijah> Kamion, so i know it's not just me :)
[07:32] <pr0c> Adonijah, It was broke for me yesterday or day before but not now
[07:33] <Adonijah> i'm amd64 here, so that might be another diff too
[07:33] <Kamion> Adonijah: works fine for me
[07:33] <Kamion> well, source is architecture-independent
[07:33] <Kamion> kind of by definition
[07:33] <Kamion> Adonijah: I'd suspect a broken transparent proxy somewhere on your network
[07:33] <psi__> ugh. my laptop crashed during a kernel update, and now I can't boot the system :E
[07:33] <Adonijah> I don't have a proxy anywhere
[07:33] <psi__> i get Error 15: no such file
[07:33] <Adonijah> and it's the only one that's broken
[07:34] <Kamion> Adonijah: *transparent*, meaning one that your ISP installed and you don't know about
[07:34] <Kamion> this is pretty common practice
[07:34] <Adonijah> Kamion, I would sincerely doubt that
[07:34] <Adonijah> Kamion, since every other apt source works just fine
[07:34] <Kamion> Adonijah: most other apt sources don't update every half an hour :)
[07:34] <Kamion> Adonijah: this might well cause different behaviour in dodgy caches
[07:34] <Adonijah> Kamion, maybe, but I can download the file manually just fine, it's only through the apt-get problem that it's broken
[07:34] <mteira> Adonijah: You can test it in http://eurodev.net/ip.php
[07:35] <mteira> Adonijah: It would say if you're behind a transparent proxy/cache
[07:35] <Adonijah> "Your connection HTTP does not happen through a cache."
[07:36] <Kamion> Adonijah: hmm. I guess you'll have to track it down locally though, maybe with strace
[07:36] <Adonijah> Kamion, the error is "Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/source/Sources.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)"
[07:36] <Kamion> as far as I know, the archive's fine
[07:36] <Adonijah> Kamion, oh i'm fairly certain the archive is fine
[07:36] <peterray> Adonijah, thanks it's work now
[07:36] <peterray> Kamion, thx
[07:36] <Adonijah> Kamion, it's just apt-get that's jacked somehow
[07:36] <Kamion> might be worth poking around in /var/lib/apt/lists/
[07:36] <Frozen> I can't get my X working. I think its because of my graphic card (GFX5700LE)
[07:36] <Frozen> anyone using GFX 5700LE
[07:37] <Adonijah> Frozen, did you uncomment restricted/universe in /etc/apt/sources.list and then apt-get update and then apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common?
[07:37] <Frozen> no
[07:37] <Kamion> nvidia-kernel-common's on the CD and installed by default
[07:37] <Adonijah> didn't know, ati here :)
[07:38] <Adonijah> Kamion, what should i be looking for in /var/lib/apt/lists ?
[07:38] <Adonijah> Kamion, should I just try clearing out the cached lists?
[07:39] <trukulo> Adonijah, download works
[07:39] <trukulo> tried here, right now
[07:39] <Adonijah> trukulo, ?
[07:39] <trukulo> Adonijah, sources.gz, download works here
[07:39] <Adonijah> trukulo, yes, it does here too, just not through apt-get update
[07:39] <Frozen> when I start X it starts to flicker and it looks crazy...any ideas
[07:40] <trukulo> Adonijah, ah, try apt-get clean then
[07:40] <Kamion> 'apt-get clean' doesn't touch /var/lib/apt/lists/
[07:40] <Adonijah> hrm, i tried removing all the lists in /var/lib/apt/lists and apt-get clean
[07:40] <Adonijah> same error
[07:40] <trukulo> so, don't know
[07:41] <pr0c> Adonijah, maybe manually get the file and place it whereever? never tried it with apt but it should be possibl
[07:41] <mojo> can some1 help?
[07:41] <mojo> I can't do install J2SDL
[07:41] <mojo> SDK
[07:41] <Adonijah> it's not a big deal, because it's *only* the 'sources' lists that are failing
[07:41] <mojo> it's too hard to install on Debian
[07:41] <mojo> I read the Wiki
[07:41] <Adonijah> but it's obviously a bug in apt-get or the like
[07:41] <mojo> but all are nonsense
[07:41] <ggi> mojo: Sure y'can.
[07:41] <Adonijah> since I can download the file just fine through a browser or wget
[07:41] <Adonijah> and a gzip -t passes
[07:41] <trukulo> mojo, read my blog, it's in spanish, but it's very easy to understand
[07:42] <mojo> ggi: I follow those instruction but even the deb package they use are unavailable
[07:42] <trukulo> http://mercurio.homeip.net/blog/34/
[07:42] <Kamion> Adonijah: I'd be looking for stuff in /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/
[07:42] <ggi> mojo: Do you have universe in your sources.list?
[07:42] <Kamion> Adonijah: check if they're really gzipped files, or what's in them
[07:42] <ish> is there an ubuntu-nic way to get the jdk installed?
[07:42] <Adonijah> Kamion, that dir is empty
[07:43] <mojo> thx trukulo
[07:43] <mojo> u saved me again!
[07:43] <trukulo> mojo, no prob
[07:43] <mojo> the blog u gave is so helpful!
[07:43] <mojo> thx
[07:43] <Adonijah> Kamion, other ideas?
[07:43] <Kamion> Adonijah: in that case you'll have to resort to strace, as I said above
[07:43] <trukulo> mojo, do you know spanish?
[07:43] <Adonijah> Kamion, i have, and the strace doesn't tell me much
[07:44] <Adonijah> Kamion, other than gzip doesn't like the file
[07:44] <Adonijah> Kamion, unless there's something special I should be looking for
[07:44] <Kamion> Adonijah: sudo strace -f -o /tmp/update.trace -s 2048 apt-get update; sudo bzip2 /tmp/update.trace, then mail /tmp/update.trace.bz2 to cjwatson@canonical.com
[07:44] <Lowe> Does BMP have some problem with UTF-8?
[07:44] <Frozen> how do I install/download NVIDIA kernel module
[07:44] <Kamion> Adonijah: I'm going out now but I'll have a look later
[07:45] <mike_w> kamion, did u get a chance to look at grub splash?
[07:45] <Adonijah> wtf?
[07:45] <Adonijah> ok, twilight zone
[07:45] <Frozen> how do I install/download NVIDIA kernel module?
[07:45] <Kamion> Frozen: please don't repeat
[07:46] <Frozen> ok....
[07:46] <Kamion> Frozen: nvidia-kernel-common is installed by default
[07:46] <Kamion> Frozen: what exactly are you looking for?
[07:47] <Kamion> Frozen: (I'm assuming you installed from scratch rather than upgrading, btw)
[07:47] <Frozen> well my X isn't working...in one error message it says that "Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module"
[07:47] <Kamion> mike_w: oh, sorry, got distracted by fixing amd64 keymap bugs, looking now
[07:47] <Kamion> Frozen: what architecture? i386?
[07:47] <Adonijah> Kamion, ok, I gotta hum dinger of a prob for ya :)
[07:47] <Frozen> i386
[07:47] <mike_w> Kamion: it's okay, no rush. can mail me if u wnat
[07:48] <Adonijah> Kamion, if I run apt-get update using strace with the command line options you gave me a few times successively, it eventually downloads the lists correctly and doesn't error out
[07:48] <Kamion> Adonijah: check that you have linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-<somethingorother> installed
[07:48] <Adonijah> Kamion, this smacks of threading or a race condition
[07:48] <Kamion> Adonijah: RUN AWAY
[07:48] <Kamion> Adonijah: seriously, I've never seen this, I don't think any of us have
[07:48] <Adonijah> Well, i've already found several problems you guys haven't seen :D
[07:48] <Adonijah> amd64 is apparently prone to all kinds of quackery
[07:49] <mojo> trukulo: how come Totem-gstreamer can't run all video files, I though gstreamr is stronger than xine
[07:49] <Kamion> sure, but this is the sort of thing that would show up all over the place I'd've thought
[07:49] <mteira> Bladerunner?
[07:49] <Adonijah> for example, I can't open contacts in evolution because of threading problems in berkeley db 
[07:49] <Adonijah> upstream knows :)
[07:49] <Kamion> then again we don't have many amd64s among the development team yet, so it's possible
[07:49] <Kamion> Adonijah: when I get my amd64 network-connected, I'll see if I can reproduce it
[07:49] <Adonijah> i don't have any restricted-modules package installed
[07:49] <Adonijah> i don't have webcams, usb flashkeys, or any binary only drivers loaded
[07:49] <Kamion> Adonijah: it's not built on amd64 yet
[07:50] <Adonijah> ;D
[07:50] <Adonijah> Kamion, so do you still want the strace <G>
[07:50] <grzesieq> Hi, anyone go Ubuntu working on virtual pc 6.1?
[07:50] <Adonijah> Kamion, I suppose I could get evil with it and go through gdb, but I doubt that would reveal anything useful :D
[07:50] <Kamion> Adonijah: of one of the failing ones, yes
[07:50] <grzesieq> s/go/got/
[07:50] <Kamion> although I might have to pass it over to mdz
[07:51] <Adonijah> Kamion, i can file a bug and attach strace log if that would be easier :)
[07:52] <Adonijah> Kamion, nforce 3 150 board here, realtek 8169 gigabit ethernet btw
[07:52] <mdz> Kamion: amd64 issues should go to Mithrandir
[07:52] <Adonijah> i'll go file a bug, you guys can zing it wherever it needs to go
[07:53] <jesse_132> Does monodevelop not reside in anyones repository?
[07:53] <Rhonda> I have two (maybe controversial) questions about ubuntu:
[07:53] <Adonijah> tseng maybe?
[07:53] <srbaker> putting ubuntu on my other machine tonight
[07:54] <tseng> Adonijah: hm whats up?
[07:54] <Adonijah> tseng, err.. jesse_132 was asking if anyone had monodevelop in a repos
[07:54] <Rhonda> In what way is ubuntu a "community Linux distribution", like Mark Shuttleworth writes himself?
[07:54] <tseng> no i couldnt build the debian source package
[07:54] <Kamion> mdz: heh, pass the buck :-)
[07:54] <tseng> i have all the deps if someone else wants to try fixing it
[07:55] <mdz> Rhonda: in that it will be developed in cooperation with the open source community
[07:55] <mdz> in much the way that Debian is
[07:55] <Kamion> Rhonda: we're still getting the community up and running; it's been four days since preview release, give us a chance :-)
[07:55] <Rhonda> mdz: So it is not community driven? From what I see people working on it are hired....
[07:55] <Rhonda> Of course, I'm just curious.
[07:55] <cgdef> mdz: out on a tangent, it might be a good idea to change the pager for man pages to most
[07:55] <cgdef> looks a lot better
[07:56] <Adonijah> Rhonda, some of the members are from debian project
[07:56] <tseng> most is kinda nice
[07:56] <Rhonda> Kamion: It's just the thing that it made me wonder, but I haven't read anything about it.
[07:56] <Adonijah> Rhonda, and lots of volunteers contribute bugs, patches, and help
[07:56] <Rhonda> Adonijah: I know that.
[07:56] <Kamion> Rhonda: the core team is paid, but we don't expect to be the sole contributors forever, and we don't want it to stay that way
[07:56] <jesse_132> Rhonda, several of the developers of gnome/debian that have been volunteering before are now paid...
[07:56] <mdz> Rhonda: those two things are not mutually exclusive
[07:56] <thx1138> is there a flash plugin for mozilla (like flashplugin-nonfree in debian) ?
[07:56] <Rhonda> mdz: Of course not.
[07:57] <mdz> Rhonda: there will be (indeed, already are) people participating in development who are not Canonical employees
[07:57] <trukulo> thx1138, that's for mozilla
[07:57] <mdz> Rhonda: we have a lot of work to do in order to build the infrastructure to be more open, but we will get there
[07:57] <Rhonda> But: Is there sort of a social contract that states that canonical won't direct the "community" part of ubuntu in a specific direction just because it pays the core developers?
[07:57] <trukulo> flashplugin-nonfree is in ubuntu, in universe
[07:58] <Adonijah> it is?
[07:58] <Adonijah> i dunna see it here
[07:58] <Rhonda> It's just that I'm curious, and this is one of the things that made me wonder.
[07:58] <Lowe> I'm still wondering why, there is no ops in here. *yawn*
[07:58] <jesse_132> Rhonda, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/ see code of conduct...
[07:58] <thx1138> trukulo> hmmm, my sources include universe, but i don't see any package named flashplugin-nonfree
[07:59] <trukulo> thx1138, so, perhaps i'm wrong
[07:59] <Kamion> Rhonda: general plan's to have some kind of governance structure that resolves disputes
[07:59] <whiprush> flashplayer-mozilla is what you're looking for
[07:59] <thx1138> whiprush> thanks a lot
[07:59] <Kamion> we've made the first steps at thinking it out; it will of course take a while
[08:00] <whiprush> I don't know if it's in universe though
[08:00] <mdz> Rhonda: it is being developed, yes
[08:00] <whiprush> it's in marillat's source I think
[08:00] <Rhonda> Lowe: There are services.
[08:00] <jmhodges> say, what would be a good doc to read for a deb newb?
[08:00] <thx1138> whiprush> indeed, it's not in universe
[08:00] <Lowe> I still need to get mplayer working, hopefully it will come in the final. (highly doubt it though)
[08:00] <whiprush> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[08:00] <jmhodges> bah, n/m ill just find something on debian.org
[08:00] <trukulo> thx1138, try: apt-cache search flash|grep flash
[08:00] <whiprush> add that to /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:00] <whiprush> then apt-get update
[08:00] <Rhonda> The other thing that made me wonder, is that it has right on the front page "that software tools should be usable by people in their local language", but then the pages are only available in english?  :)
[08:01] <whiprush> don't blame me if it blows up your PC though. :p
[08:01] <Kamion> Rhonda: 
[08:01] <Kamion> oops
[08:01] <jesse_132> has anyone got dvd playback in totem to work...  I only get xine to play dvds (without sound)
[08:01] <mteira> :))
[08:01] <Lowe> Dependcy help.
[08:01] <Kamion> Rhonda: much of the web site was written in about the last two weeks :)
[08:01] <ggi> Are the packages in Debian contrib not in Ubuntu? Not even in 'restricted'?
[08:01] <Lowe> hell*
[08:01] <mteira> Rhonda: What have you made? Now we would have to restart him.
[08:01] <Rhonda> Kamion: So, no time for catalan?  :)
[08:02] <Rhonda> mteira: Whom?
[08:02] <mteira> Rhonda: Galician is first in the queue.
[08:02] <Kamion> mike_w: ah; see https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=994
[08:02] <mteira> Rhonda: Kamion, he's ooped.
[08:03] <Rhonda> I always make Kamion oops.
[08:03] <trukulo> Rhonda, mteira : perhaps in final version, don't know
[08:03] <Rhonda> Or was it jordi?  Don't know why, can't tell the two appart....
[08:03] <mteira> Maybe a bug.
[08:03] <thx1138> trukulo> it's the package named swf-player (in universe)
[08:03] <Rhonda> Might be both.
[08:03] <trukulo> thx1138, umm, i doubt it
[08:03] <mteira> Rhonda: Fill a bug report.
[08:03] <mteira> Rhonda: Sure.
[08:03] <Adonijah> trukulo, there is no other flash plackage besides swf-flashplayer that I can see that would qualify
[08:04] <Rhonda> But like said, am not sure if it's a bug in Kamion's or in jordi's interface.
[08:04] <Rhonda> mteira: Shall they play ping pong?
[08:04] <mike_w> Kamion: ah, so it's not possible then? I prefer to have the menu displayed as I have windows and 3x linux, basic menu is igly though!!
[08:04] <Adonijah> trukulo, and apt-cache show giving the package name you mentioned yeilds nothing
[08:04] <thx1138> trukulo> well, see the description : Includes  a Mozilla plugin, that embeds the player into Mozilla-based browsers,
[08:04] <Adonijah> thx1138, what arch are you?
[08:04] <Adonijah> thx1138, (i386, i686, amd64) ?
[08:04] <trukulo> thx1138, yes, but it doesn't works well, try it and tell us
[08:04] <thx1138> Adonijah> sorry but my problem is solved (i686)
[08:04] <mike_w> s/igly/ugly
[08:05] <Adonijah> thx1138, it is solved?
[08:05] <Adonijah> i just realised i'm amd64, and probably won't have flash in my repos list ;)
[08:05] <thx1138> Adonijah> yeah, i've just installed that package and restarted epiphany ... flash animations work well
[08:05] <mteira> Rhonda: You're familiar with jordi's interface. Humm...
[08:05] <mteira> Oh, finally, after hours of crying and compiling, my emacs-gtk2 is built.
[08:06] <mteira> Time to install and cry again
[08:06] <Rhonda> mteira: A little bit....  I had to go after him once.
[08:06] <Adonijah> thx1138, ah, k
[08:07] <Kamion> mike_w: looks like we actually took the whole splash image out; I wonder if that was a mistake
[08:07] <mike_w> Kamion: I downloaded the splash image manually from wiki. Is there a command I can use in menu.1st to display it?
[08:07] <trukulo> Rhonda, who r u?
[08:07] <Rhonda> trukulo: alfie@debian.org
[08:08] <mike_w> Kamion: think it would be nice to offer the choice though
[08:08] <Kamion> mike_w: if you create /boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz and run 'update-grub', it should work
[08:08] <Kamion> mike_w: the setting is 'splashimage'
[08:08] <trukulo> Rhonda, and you are woman, and from catalonia ?
[08:08] <Rhonda> trukulo: No, jordi is catalan.
[08:08] <mike_w> Kamion: I have splash.xpm , how do I gz it? (sorry, novice)
[08:09] <trukulo> ah, you said before : HER
[08:09] <Kamion> mike_w: 'gzip splash.xpm'
[08:09] <Rhonda> trukulo: Depends on point of view.
[08:09] <trukulo> Rhonda, jordi is not cataln, as i know, it's from baleares, isn't it?
[08:09] <Kamion> damnit, we should have grep-dctrl in desktop :P
[08:10] <Rhonda> trukulo: Don't know, but he is coordinator for catalan Debian website translation.
[08:10] <Rhonda> Kamion: Shame on ubuntu. ;)
[08:10] <trukulo> Rhonda, ok, that's because in baleares speaks catalan too, but it's not catalonia
[08:10] <Rhonda> It is quite nice l10ned.  ;)
[08:10] <mteira> :)
[08:11] <mteira> Oh, interesting debate.
[08:11] <mike_w> Kamion: thanks a lot, think that worked. Gonna reboot and see
[08:11] <Kamion> at least grep-dctrl's in supported ...
[08:12] <mteira> It works!!
[08:13] <neighborlee> anyone know whats up with mplayer /dev/mixer error during playback?..i'm assuming its a bug in whomever compiled but....so im going to grab from mplayer site for now.. ( tried changing permission on /dev/mixer but nadda)
[08:15] <mteira> I have to say it again. I feel this distro really faster than debian unstable.
[08:15] <Rhonda> grep-dctrl -FMaintainer -sPackage alfie@debian.org | wc -l
[08:15] <Rhonda> That should do it.  :)
[08:15] <Rhonda> Oh, stupid me....
[08:16] <Rhonda> Can download the Packages files myself...
[08:17] <Rhonda> uh, none?
[08:18] <mteira> Rhonda: What's your problem?
[08:19] <Rhonda> I'm not in.
[08:19] <mteira> Rhonda: where?
[08:20] <Frozen> lol...I got ubuntus X working with Geforce 2 MX 400, It didn't work with GFX 5700LE
[08:20] <Rhonda> Oh, I'm in universe.
[08:20] <Rhonda> Just not in main.
[08:21] <trukulo> Rhonda: universe is sid packages recompiled, not mantained
[08:21] <Rhonda> Ah, I see.
[08:21] <mojo> thx all ppl, I made J2SDL installed and worked!!
[08:23] <cgdef> I get the following error
[08:23] <cgdef> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/source/Sources.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[08:23] <cgdef> what is the problem and how do I fix it
[08:25] <Frozen> how can I test does my 3d work?
[08:25] <cgdef> try one of the opengl screensavers
[08:26] <Deft> Frozen, glxgears and glxinfo will give you an idea
[08:27] <Frozen> ok thanks
[08:27] <cgdef> np
[08:32] <mike_w> Kamion: thanks a lot, worked a treat. How do I change my default boot options (e.g. vga=791) so that I don't have to manually re-edit menu.1st after invoking update-grub?
[08:33] <Jotun> how do you change the default program to open certain files?
[08:33] <Jotun> I can add one, but it's never default.
[08:33] <Jotun> It won't let me remove totem as the default program for videos
[08:34] <Deft> mike_w, add the vga option to the # kopt=... line, keeping the # at the start
[08:35] <neill> Deft: even though that is below the start of the Autogenerated section?
[08:35] <neill> I was a bit confused about that.
[08:35] <Frozen> could someone tell me good alternate for ubuntu because I'm not sure can I get this working on my other PC. It should be debian based?
[08:35] <mike_w> Frozen: have you tried debian?
[08:35] <neill> Frozen: Debian and Knoppix would spring to mind
[08:36] <Deft> yes, that line is never changed, just read and used to generate the others
[08:36] <mike_w> Deft: thanks a lot, trying it now...
[08:36] <neill> Deft: but should remain commented? So that's what the bit about not uncommenting it meant.......
[08:36] <sladen> cgdef: the file you've downloaded (.../Sources.gz) is corrupted
[08:36] <neill> makes sense now. thanks.
[08:37] <Elim> has anyone installed the ppc version yet?
[08:37] <Frozen> well I could try knoppix...when I have time to that
[08:37] <sladen> Frozen: what problem are you haveing that makes you think you can't get ti working?
[08:37] <Elim> has anyone installed the ppc version yet?
[08:37] <mike_w> Deft: perfect - thanks a lot 8-)
[08:37] <Frozen> It doesn't work with my Geforce FX 5700LE
[08:37] <sladen> Elim: about half the developers have Powerbook laptops.  Lots of people have!
[08:38] <Frozen> I mean X doesn't work
[08:38] <neill> Frozen: how does it not work?
[08:38] <neill> (haven't got the nvidia drivers working yet)
[08:38] <neill> this is with Ubuntu.
[08:38] <neill> the nvidia drivers work with debian as well though
[08:39] <Frozen> it flicker and the screen looks weird...like when u try to use svga game on vga monitor...
[08:39] <Frozen> also spiky from the sides.. 
[08:39] <trukulo> try lower the resolution
[08:40] <toothpick> neill, have you tried to install the nvidia's yet with ubuntu?
[08:40] <neill> toothpick: no.
[08:40] <Frozen> already tries
[08:40] <Frozen> *tried
[08:40] <neill> toothpick: I couldn't work out how at an initial glance
[08:40] <toothpick> neill: I have the fx5200 and they work perfectly.
[08:40] <toothpick> apt-get install nvidia-glx
[08:40] <toothpick> add nvidia to the text file /etc/modules
[08:41] <toothpick> chane nv to nvidia in /etc/X11/XF86config-4
[08:41] <toothpick> chane read change
[08:41] <Frozen> I'm no using MX 400 and it works great...but I want to use my new FX 5700LE
[08:41] <neill> either my sources are broken or it's not in amd64 yet
[08:41] <neill> Frozen: that's very odd.
[08:41] <toothpick> oh amd64...ok not sure about that.
[08:42] <toothpick> Is that a laptop you have there neill ?
[08:42] <neill> toothpick: no.
[08:42] <neill> desktop
[08:42] <Frozen> neill: I know
[08:42] <neill> with nforce3 250 though
[08:42] <neill> which works.
[08:42] <neill> so I'm impressed. :)
[08:42] <neill> Frozen: does the card work in windows?
[08:43] <Frozen> never tried...but worked on FC2
[08:45] <neill> Frozen: you might try using / looking for differences from your FC2 X config 
[08:45] <Elim> im installing ubuntu on my g3 mac now :D
[08:46] <Elim> MAC OS IS SO SLOW ITS NOT FUNNY :(
[08:46] <damonlynch> would ubuntu's amd64 gnome 2.8 play well with my existing mandrake gnome 2.6 settings, and allow me to go back and forth?
[08:46] <Frozen> hmm...I installed ubuntu over FC2
[08:46] <robertj_> Elim: really?
[08:47] <Elim> yes really! mac os x is about twice as slow as linux and badly setup i might ad
[08:47] <robertj> badly setup?
[08:47] <bolivar> some of the guys were saying that last night...thats its a memory hog etc
[08:48] <robertj> bolivar: it does a lot of neat stuff with that memory use though
[08:48] <robertj> and I don't know why it would be a bigger hog than Linux by a huge amount
[08:49] <robertj> And it does have a lot less toolkit duplication
[08:49] <Elim> yer its really messed up in the way u install programs they are all installed to a directory in the 'finder' , im not sure what the actual os does with the contence as underneath is darwin which i played with which has all the 'usual' directories im a linux guy and macos is a bit too easy and simle for my liking i like to fiddle with the settings....
[08:50] <robertj> Elim: I like an Easy user interface
[08:50] <Elim> i like xwindows better :D
[08:50] <robertj> X runs on Mac
[08:50] <Elim> leaning and more customisable
[08:51] <werewolf> oh yeah! I found that trashapplet must depends on fam, what I have to do now?
[08:51] <robertj> leaning?
[08:51] <Elim> it doesn't on 10.2 which is what i have 
[08:51] <Elim> u need 10.3
[08:51] <Elim> leaner*
[08:51] <robertj> Elim: no you don't you can compile everything you need to install X from scratch and run it on 10.2
[08:51] <Elim> news to me
[08:51] <robertj> Which is exactly what you would be doing on Linux if your distro didn't
[08:52] <CraHan> hi everyone
[08:52] <robertj> X.org also isn't included on my Redhat 2 CD but I don't whine about Redhat not running X
[08:52] <CraHan> I've took the step and deleted my debian install to try ubuntu, but I ran into a slight problem
[08:52] <CraHan> the network card (eepro) gets detected
[08:52] <CraHan> but the network does not come up
[08:52] <robertj> can you assign it a manual ip address
[08:53] <CraHan> can't get dhcp info, and even when setting it manually it fails
[08:53] <robertj> hrmm
[08:53] <CraHan> it assigns the ip
[08:53] <robertj> shows up in ifconfig -a?
[08:53] <Elim> dhcpcd eth0 tried that?
[08:53] <CraHan> and after everything is installed from disk, and I run ifconfig I get a configured eth0 and lo
[08:53] <trukulo> CraHan: check cable
[08:53] <trukulo> i mean, check wire
[08:53] <CraHan> reinstalled debian afterwards and it came up fine
[08:54] <CraHan> so the cable is fine and the nic works too
[08:54] <CraHan> I'm reinstalling ubuntu now
[08:54] <Elim> have u tried what i suggested?
[08:54] <Elim> dhcpcd eth0
[08:54] <CraHan> elim not yet, as soon as this install ends I'm doing that
[08:54] <Elim> ok
[08:54] <CraHan> packages are nearly done installing again
[08:55] <CraHan> was just wondering if it was a known problem or not
[08:55] <robertj> although if he can't assign a static ip dhcpd wouldn't help unless he is telling it the wrong thing
[08:55] <CraHan> apparently not :)
[08:55] <robertj> or unless he is plugged into a super nifty router which ensured all ip's were assigned out on a dhcp lease
[08:55] <schvenk> how would i go about either relabeling or combining the Applications and Computer menus in the default GNOME config?
[08:55] <robertj> (which I wish I had)
[08:55] <CraHan> well, none of the other systems and this laptop with debian installed have a problem
[08:55] <robertj> CraHan: can you manually assign an IP  in Windows?
[08:55] <CraHan> yeah
[08:55] <Elim> i have a router so im used to dhcp ...
[08:56] <CraHan> the debian server uses a manually set ip
[08:56] <CraHan> only the laptops use dhcp
[08:56] <robertj> Okay, so that would seem to indicate you know a workable ip address and subnet
[08:56] <CraHan> and none of the other laptops have a dhcp problem
[08:56] <robertj> do you know your routers ip address?
[08:56] <CraHan> yeah 192.168.1.x and 255.255.255.0
[08:56] <robertj> (internal, not external)
[08:56] <CraHan> 192.168.1.1 is the router
[08:56] <robertj> and it won't ping?
[08:56] <CraHan> gonna have to check
[08:56] <Lowe> crahan did you edit your /etc/resolv.conf
[08:57] <CraHan> Lowe: nope
[08:57] <robertj> Lowe: doesn't matter
[08:57] <CraHan> didn't touch that
[08:57] <robertj> his router will ping without a resolv.conf
[08:57] <CraHan> hang on, asks for screen res :)
[08:57] <Lowe> I think it does matter
[08:57] <CraHan> nearly done with the second install round *grin*
[08:57] <Lowe> that's what myproblem was
[08:57] <trukulo> Lowe: if you use ips, resolv.conf is irrelevant
[08:57] <CraHan> for 1 I can say you guys are the most helpful linux distro channel on freenode :)
[08:58] <CraHan> never did I enter a channel, ask a question; and get 4 people chipping in
[08:58] <Lowe> I put my ip in there
[08:58] <Lowe> And bam it worked.
[08:58] <CraHan> should be almost done
[08:58] <trukulo> he's trying to ping 192.168.1.1
[08:59] <CraHan> trukulo: as soon as I'm dumped into a prompt I'm gonna try and ping the router
[08:59] <Lowe> 192.168.1.1 is my modem setup lol
[08:59] <CraHan> I think 192.168.1.1 is a rather como
[08:59] <CraHan> oops
[08:59] <CraHan> common ip for a router/gateway
[08:59] <Lowe> yeah
[09:00] <CraHan> hmmm
[09:00] <CraHan> this registering documentation stage is taking its sweet time
[09:00] <robertj> CraHan: I noticed that, you are almost done
[09:00] <CraHan> ok
[09:00] <Lowe> Well i tried forhours to get it to work last night, and the only thing that made it work was /etc/resolv.conf
[09:00] <Lowe> yeah it was slow for me there aswell
[09:01] <CraHan> have to say the install was a breeze :)
[09:01] <CraHan> thank you for choosing unbuntu... You're welcome ;
[09:01] <CraHan> )
[09:01] <Lowe> yeah it's a nice installer
[09:01] <robertj> I don't know if I would say nice
[09:01] <CraHan> ok, gnome starting
[09:01] <CraHan> friendly :)
[09:02] <robertj> d-i is an effective installer but it's not what I would describe as nice
[09:02] <neill> robertj: how would you make it nice?
[09:02] <Lowe> I think it's nice, nicer than any gui installer lol.
[09:02] <neill> Is the problem how it looks?
[09:02] <neill> or the functionallity?
[09:02] <robertj> neill: partilly, yes
[09:02] <Lowe> who cares how it looks
[09:03] <Lowe> But i still think it looks nice lol
[09:03] <neill> iirc the new debian installer is mean't to take many front ends
[09:03] <CraHan> ok eepro loaded through modprobe
[09:03] <neill> so presumably a gui will be along at some point int the future for people who want that sort of thing
[09:03] <robertj> neill: and it may but it's not happening on upstream
[09:03] <robertj> also, second stage is a bit of a pain
[09:03] <CraHan> ok... tried sudo dhclient eth0
[09:03] <CraHan> no response
[09:04] <robertj> CraHan: does the router ping?
[09:04] <CraHan> time to setup a resolv.conf
[09:04] <robertj> CraHan: nope
[09:04] <robertj> CraHan: ping the router
[09:04] <robertj> if the router don't ping there is no reason to fiddle with resolv.conf
[09:04] <CraHan> nope
[09:04] <mteira> Hello.
[09:04] <CraHan> problem is there's no resolv.conf yet
[09:04] <mteira> Should a .deb be opened double clicking it?
[09:04] <robertj> and it shows up under ifconfig -a with an ip address when manually assigned
[09:04] <truk_away> CraHan: are you sure your router is 192.168.1.1 ?
[09:04] <CraHan> since for this install I disabled network support
[09:05] <robertj> CraHan: well that won't enable network support
[09:05] <CraHan> truk_away: yeah I'm very aware of all the ip's on my subnet :)
[09:05] <truk_away> CraHan: ok
[09:05] <CraHan> robertj: I loaded eepro, and now I'll write a resolv.conf and /etc/init.d/networking start
[09:05] <CraHan> so networking will come up
[09:05] <truk_away> CraHan: so ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.100
[09:05] <truk_away> ping 192.168.1.1
[09:05] <CraHan> ah ok :)
[09:05] <mteira> It seems that no application is defined to open a .deb
[09:06] <robertj> CraHan: listen to truk
[09:06] <mteira> But instead of saying that, it throws an error.
[09:06] <robertj> he's away because he knows what he is doing and he's off being useful
[09:06] <CraHan> ok ifconfig now lists the eth0
[09:06] <robertj> ;)
[09:06] <CraHan> pinging now
[09:06] <truk_away> robertj: that's right ;)
[09:06] <CraHan> nope
[09:06] <CraHan> destination host unreachable
[09:06] <neill> Nonphasis: did it all go well?
[09:07] <truk_away> CraHan: try : router add default gw 192.168.1.1
[09:07] <Nonphasis> neill, i'm having some problemns
[09:07] <robertj> truk: he is pinging his gateway
[09:07] <Nonphasis> ide stuff
[09:07] <Nonphasis> can't see hda1
[09:07] <CraHan> nope
[09:07] <truk_away> robertj: i know, but perhaps has a bad route table
[09:07] <CraHan> no dice
[09:07] <Nonphasis> it worked fine on sarge/2.6.7 kernel
[09:07] <robertj> truk: he's off a fresh install
[09:07] <truk_away> robertj: i know, but perhaps it's a bug
[09:07] <neill> Nonphasis: what motherboard/chipset do you have? 
[09:07] <CraHan> yeah I had no problem when debian was installed
[09:08] <robertj> lsmod|grep ee
[09:08] <CraHan> and 10 minutes ago I was installing debian over the network
[09:08] <CraHan> so the nic does work fine
[09:08] <Nonphasis> my SATA drive works as sda (it was hde on sarge)
[09:08] <Nonphasis> kt400
[09:08] <Nonphasis> silicon image sata 
[09:08] <neill> and it shows up as sda?
[09:08] <neill> rather than hda?
[09:08] <Nonphasis> yes
[09:08] <CraHan> e100, eepro100
[09:08] <Nonphasis> no, it was hde
[09:08] <CraHan> and mii
[09:08] <neill> it was hde and is now sda?
[09:09] <Nonphasis> hda (PATA) is not there at all
[09:09] <CraHan> those are the modules thtat come up
[09:09] <truk_away> CraHan: can you cat here ifconfig?
[09:09] <Nonphasis> neill, yes
[09:09] <CraHan> erhm
[09:09] <truk_away> well, ifconfig eth0
[09:09] <CraHan> kinda hard since I'm typing this on a different system
[09:09] <Nonphasis> also, left handed mouse doesn't work
[09:09] <truk_away> CraHan: umm, right
[09:09] <CraHan> hehe
[09:09] <truk_away> CraHan: try dhclient
[09:09] <neill> I'd guess that's because the kernel you were using had the SATA drivers as ide drivers but the new kernel is using the ?libsata? driver that is in the SCSI subsystem, so it looks like a scsi disk
[09:09] <truk_away> r u sure your router has dhcpd ?
[09:10] <neill> Nonphasis: is it causing a problem or were you just concerned by the difference?
[09:10] <CraHan> truk_away: this ibook uses dhcp to get an ip
[09:10] <robertj> sudo cat /proc/interrupts|grep eth0
[09:10] <Nonphasis> neill, probably. 2.6.8 on sarge didn't see sata at all
[09:10] <CraHan> and the debian install from 10 minutes ago configred fine through dhcp
[09:10] <Nonphasis> neill, sata is no problem. PATA is
[09:10] <robertj> truk: I don't understand why he wouldnt be up if he manually assigned the address
[09:10] <truk_away> CraHan: so don't know
[09:11] <Nonphasis> neill, I have both sata and pata drives, hda = pata = not there
[09:11] <truk_away> robertj: it seems a module problem or something like this
[09:11] <Lowe> I had the exact same problem im telling you. /etc/resolv.conf will fix it *yawn*
[09:11] <Nonphasis> and /boot is on hda
[09:11] <CraHan> robertj: here's the output from that grep: 11: 100000  XT-PIC uhci_hcd, uhci_hcd, Intel 82801-ICH2, Intel ICH Modem, eth0
[09:12] <neill> Nonphasis: ah. I see. sorry
[09:12] <robertj> hrm
[09:12] <CraHan> that's 82801BA-ICH2
[09:12] <neill> so the problem is that you can't access the PATA IDE disk hda but can access SATA disks?
[09:12] <CraHan> could it be that I need another module for the nic?
[09:12] <Nonphasis> it boots kinda ok, complains that fs is crap and suggests repairing, ctrl+d skips ok, after boot hda is no more
[09:13] <Nonphasis> neill, exactly
[09:13] <truk_away> CraHan: could be
[09:13] <robertj> seems a bit crowded, but it should owrk
[09:13] <Nonphasis> neill, exact mobo is abit kd7s
[09:13] <robertj> dmesg|grep ee?
[09:13] <Nonphasis> hmm
[09:14] <CraHan> lots of acpi errors
[09:14] <CraHan> hmmm
[09:14] <robertj> thats just power management, ignore that
[09:14] <CraHan> and some stuff about eepro100.c: eepro_init_module: Probe is very dangerous on ISA boards
[09:15] <Nonphasis> which module? I have libata, via82cxxx already
[09:15] <CraHan> and add autodetect=1 to force probe
[09:15] <truk_away> CraHan: AH ! try booting with append of nolacpi
[09:15] <neill> Nonphasis: dunno tbh.
[09:15] <CraHan> truk_away: ok, just add that at the grub prompt?
[09:15] <neill> I would have thought the via82cxxx would have done it.
[09:15] <truk_away> CraHan: yes
[09:15] <neill> anyone else have any ideas about the KT400 IDE module?
[09:15] <truk_away> nolapic
[09:15] <robertj> truk: interesting, clue me in on what evil that might do
[09:15] <truk_away> sorry
[09:15] <truk_away> nolapic
[09:16] <truk_away> it won't load local apic
[09:16] <CraHan> ok
[09:16] <truk_away> lot of hardware has problems with that
[09:16] <truk_away> mine included
[09:16] <punkass> me too
[09:16] <jsubl2> anyone know the secret to getting ntpdate to work
[09:16] <CraHan> ok added and booting now
[09:17] <truk_away> CraHan: ok, tell us
[09:17] <CraHan> hang on, booting
[09:17] <Nonphasis> VP_IDE: neither IDE port enabled (BIOS)
[09:17] <CraHan> starting its services
[09:17] <neill> Nonphasis: does lspsci show a IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586B PIPC Bus Master IDE ?
[09:17] <robertj> and since we prudently were lazy and didn't edit any configuration files, it should be happy ;)
[09:17] <Nonphasis> VP_IDE: VIA vt8235 (rev 00) IDE UDMA133 controller on pci0000:00:11.1
[09:17] <Nonphasis> VP_IDE: port 0x01f0 already claimed by ide0
[09:17] <Nonphasis> VP_IDE: port 0x0170 already claimed by ide1
[09:18] <Nonphasis> and ide0, ide1 are sata i think
[09:18] <neill> are you booting off the SATA disk?
[09:18] <CraHan> truk_away: nope, still the same
[09:18] <robertj> Haha, did anyone else see the City of Lost Devices :)
[09:18] <Nonphasis> 0000:00:11.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)
[09:19] <punkass> anyone know why, when i close the lid to the laptop the backlight stays on?
[09:19] <Nonphasis> kernel = ata, / = sata
[09:19] <robertj> how do you know you are using the ee module on woody?
[09:19] <CraHan> good question
[09:20] <toothpick> realtek sound support isn't too good in linux =( I'll have to open my box one day and put my old sb16 card in there...I hate playing chromium with no sound effects.
[09:20] <robertj> second, have you tried apt-get installing a 2.6 kernel
[09:20] <CraHan> I always compiled in the etherexpress 100 module when I built my kernels
[09:20] <CraHan> and that one worked
[09:20] <robertj> and did it not work without it?
[09:20] <CraHan> that was the only one I tried and I thought thta was  the one that's loaded when installing debian
[09:21] <robertj> did you disable the other builtins?
[09:21] <robertj> lets take a different approach
[09:21] <CraHan> when compiling kernel?
[09:21] <robertj> is this a pci card or on-board?
[09:21] <neill> Nonphasis: hmm I'm not sure why that isn't working with the via module
[09:22] <neill> and I've got to dash now. sorry.
[09:22] <robertj> yeah, when compiling, but lets not deal with that for now
[09:22] <robertj> is it on board or a card?
[09:22] <Nonphasis> neill, ok, thx anyway :)
[09:22] <CraHan> robertj: it's a laptop, so I'm assuming onboard
[09:22] <robertj> oky,
[09:22] <CraHan> no pcmcia card
[09:22] <robertj> what laptop?
[09:22] <CraHan> toshiba satelite pro 4600
[09:22] <neill> Nonphasis: you could try the ubuntu-users mailing list
[09:22] <neill> or file a bug.
[09:23] <Nonphasis> neill, i'm going for the bug report 
[09:23] <neill> k
[09:24] <robertj> so does lsmod show e100?
[09:24] <robertj> not ee100
[09:24] <CraHan> hang on; just rebooted
[09:24] <CraHan> lemme try that
[09:24] <CraHan> see what comes up in the module list
[09:25] <schvenk> how would i go about either relabeling or combining the Applications and Computer menus in the default GNOME config?
[09:25] <robertj> also, you are talking about the wired lan right?
[09:25] <CraHan> robertj: yes wired lan
[09:25] <Nonphasis> aargh, I would need a bugzilla account
[09:25] <robertj> its a wvlan card, any problems with just bringing that online?
[09:25] <Nonphasis> I'm going for the mailing list ;-)
[09:26] <Nonphasis> won't debian-like bug reporting work?
[09:26] <CraHan> no wvlan card to test with
[09:26] <joh_> hi
[09:26] <robertj> this page says that model has builtin
[09:26] <joh_> What is the easy way to get mono in ubuntu?
[09:26] <robertj> perhaps not all of them
[09:26] <CraHan> robertj: this model came without the wvlan thing
[09:26] <robertj> but but was e100 loaded?
[09:27] <CraHan> checking now
[09:27] <truk_away> From web: Works with eepro100 module.
[09:27] <CraHan> yeah
[09:27] <jsubl2> joh_, tseng has packages add to your /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./
[09:27] <CraHan> lsmod | grep e100 says e100, eepro100 and mii
[09:27] <truk_away> modprobe eepro100 and try again CraHan 
[09:28] <truk_away> anyway, if ifconfig works, module works
[09:28] <Lowe> brb
[09:28] <CraHan> truk_away: eepro100 is already loaded
[09:28] <robertj> no e100
[09:28] <robertj> not eepro100
[09:28] <CraHan> yeah that too
[09:28] <truk_away> CraHan: yes, anyway, if ifconfig works right, module is correct
[09:28] <CraHan> they're both in there
[09:29] <CraHan> e100 and eepro100
[09:29] <truk_away> CraHan: what netmask do you have in router?
[09:29] <CraHan> 255.255.255.0
[09:29] <truk_away> is it class C or B ?
[09:29] <truk_away> umm, ok
[09:29] <CraHan> my gf is working on the fileserver atm
[09:30] <joh_> jsubl2: thanks!
[09:30] <CraHan> she uses dhcp and has no problems getting to local machines
[09:30] <CraHan> I don't have any trouble with this ibook either
[09:30] <truk_away> can you look ifconfig in your actual computer? not ubuntu
[09:30] <CraHan> yeah sure
[09:30] <robertj> does dmesg output confirm nolapic too keffect?
[09:31] <CraHan> robertj: rebooted without the nolapic option again, since there was no change when I added it
[09:31] <CraHan> want me to paste the ifconfig for this system here?
[09:31] <truk_away> CraHan: yes, but only for eth0
[09:31] <CraHan> will be a few lines (8 or so)
[09:31] <CraHan> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:50:BA:66:D0:1C  
[09:31] <CraHan>           inet addr:192.168.1.2  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
[09:31] <CraHan>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[09:31] <CraHan>           RX packets:144578 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[09:31] <truk_away> query if you want
[09:31] <CraHan>           TX packets:166096 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[09:31] <CraHan>           collisions:523 txqueuelen:1000 
[09:31] <CraHan>           RX bytes:23437844 (22.3 MiB)  TX bytes:23423641 (22.3 MiB)
[09:31] <CraHan>           Interrupt:10 Base address:0x3000 
[09:32] <CraHan> that's from the fileserver running debian
[09:32] <truk_away> umm, what ip address are you using in ubuntu?
[09:32] <CraHan> 192.168.1.100
[09:32] <CraHan> fileserver can get  to the net fine and can contact all other systems on the network
[09:32] <jono> hi all
[09:32] <D1> jono!
[09:32] <truk_away> umm, strange, don't know where could be the problem
[09:32] <CraHan> same here :)
[09:33] <CraHan> kinda out of ideas
[09:33] <jono> hi Dl
[09:33] <D1> grr
[09:33] <jono> D1
[09:33] <truk_away> CraHan: sure
[09:33] <D1> sorry stupid name
[09:33] <jono> hehe
[09:33] <truk_away> CraHan: change wire?
[09:33] <D1> <- David (and Kat)
[09:33] <truk_away> CraHan: stupid, but...
[09:33] <jono> oh heya :)
[09:33] <jono> hows it going?
[09:33] <D1> fine thanks
[09:33] <CraHan> truk_away: wire was plugged in during the debian install before I tried ubuntu and it installed fine from the internet
[09:33] <truk_away> CraHan: i know
[09:34] <jono> if I get the kernel source for the kernel with ubuntu, does it include the config file?
[09:34] <truk_away> CraHan: that's what i said stupid
[09:34] <HcE> I would guess kernel-headers jono 
[09:34] <CraHan> truk_away: ah ok :)
[09:34] <D1> jono - see /boot
[09:34] <jono> I basically need to recompile my kernel so I can patch it with another driver
[09:34] <D1> there's a config file there
[09:35] <jono> D1 - do I stick that in /usr/src/linux?
[09:35] <[DG] > yeah...
[09:35] <CraHan> if I remember correctly debian used the eexpress module
[09:35] <[DG] > but obviously rename it to .config, then "make oldconfig" and  "make"
[09:36] <CraHan> so it might be that I need that module
[09:36] <truk_away> CraHan: so modprobe eexpress
[09:36] <robertj> okay, turk, hrmm, is it possible e100 is not aliased to eth0
[09:36] <robertj> and that the sometimes funky ee100 is being used instead?
[09:36] <CraHan> no such device or address
[09:36] <truk_away> robertj: very strange, indeed
[09:36] <truk_away> if ifconfig eth0 works...
[09:37] <truk_away> module has to work
[09:37] <robertj> well theoretically
[09:37] <robertj> from what I read e100 is the driver for him to be using
[09:37] <jono> ok, so I should be able to get the kernel source, copy over the config file and roll my own kernel
[09:37] <truk_away> robertj: i read is eepro100
[09:37] <jono> right, need to reboot
[09:38] <jono> brb
[09:38] <[DG] > indeed
[09:38] <robertj> http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2004-July/msg04623.html
[09:38] <truk_away> http://tuxmobil.org/toshiba_sp4600.html
[09:39] <robertj> Truk: those kernels aren't anywhere near 2.6
[09:40] <truk_away> robertj: you're right
[09:40] <truk_away> but if ifconfig works...
[09:40] <robertj> Core 2 runs 2.6
[09:40] <mike_w> Hi.. I'm trying to invoke grub-install fd0, but I get an Error21: selected disk does not exist
[09:40] <robertj> truk: lo is a network interface that "works" as well, but he's not going to be able to ping his router using it ;)
[09:40] <CraHan> haha
[09:41] <truk_away> CraHan: ping 192.168.1.100
[09:41] <robertj> Cra: try to rmmod all those modules, then probe in e100 then restart networking
[09:41] <truk_away> in ubuntu, yes
[09:42] <CraHan> robertj: was just doing that, rmmod'd all the eepro stuff and tried each of the modules in turn: eepro, e100, eexpress and eepro100
[09:42] <robertj> what did dmesg have to say?
[09:42] <CraHan> eexpress errored
[09:42] <CraHan> lemme take a look
[09:44] <CraHan> truk_away: I can ping my own ip when set, now looking at dmesg
[09:44] <mike_w> can anyone tell me how to install grub on a floppy?
[09:44] <CraHan> when loading eepro100 it says in dmesg:
[09:44] <CraHan> eepro100.c revbision info, author, blabla
[09:45] <CraHan> ACPI: no GSI using IRQ 11
[09:45] <Elim> help
[09:45] <robertj> what about e100
[09:45] <Elim> how do i log into root i dont know the password
[09:45] <truk_away> crahan, try reboot with noacpi
[09:45] <phlaegel> Elim: you don't, you use sudo
[09:45] <CraHan> eth0: OEM i82557/i82558 10/100 Ethernet, mac addy, irq
[09:45] <CraHan> truk_away: okido
[09:45] <CraHan> doing that now
[09:45] <mike_w> Elim: or you can sudo root passwd
[09:46] <CraHan> rebooting now
[09:46] <phlaegel> you could, but it's not a great idea...
[09:46] <truk_away> phlaegel: we're only trying
[09:46] <punkass> anyone used this 'radeontool' for there laptops.. to get the backlight to turn off?
[09:46] <mike_w> phlaegel: why?
[09:46] <phlaegel> truk_away: that was for mike_w 
[09:46] <CraHan> booting 
[09:46] <truk_away> phlaegel: ok
[09:46] <Elim> ok sudo asks for a password
[09:47] <Loduriel> Is it a known bug that rhythmbox segfault when importing big folders?
[09:47] <mike_w> Elim: same as primary user
[09:47] <phlaegel> Elim: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.5722653677/faq_view
[09:47] <phlaegel> mike_w: because it's better security practice to limit your use of the root user. sudo is a good way to do it.
[09:47] <truk_away> i agree with phlaegel 
[09:47] <Wsquared> Wow, pretty busy in here!
[09:48] <CraHan> ok so I added noacpi at the end of the grub bootline
[09:48] <CraHan> but it didn't help apparently
[09:48] <Elim> ok the password doesnt seem to work as i type in the password for my user (the only one) and it doesn twork
[09:49] <CraHan> dmesg still talks about acpi though
[09:49] <takatumi> isnt it acpi=noacpi?
[09:49] <Kosai> Elim: Try it again?  :)
[09:49] <CraHan> takatumi: is it?
[09:49] <truk_away> CraHan: strange, because it's supossed acpi not loaded
[09:49] <takatumi> not sure
[09:50] <tvon> tseng: ayt
[09:50] <CraHan> I pressed E at  the kernel line in grub
[09:50] <CraHan> went to the linux line, pressed E
[09:50] <Wsquared> I just uncommented the universe lines in sources.list, and ran Synaptic, but I get this warning: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[09:50] <CraHan> added noacpi
[09:50] <CraHan> and pressed B to boot
[09:50] <tvon> tseng: I'm looking for the blam source package so I can build an updated one, do you have it handy?
[09:50] <truk_away> CraHan: that's right
[09:51] <phlaegel> Wsquared: you need to either refresh in synaptic or run sudo apt-get update
[09:51] <CraHan> I grepped for acpi and: Kernel command line: root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash noacpi, came up
[09:52] <mike_w> phlaegel: sorry to be a pest, how do I install grub on fd0? I just get an error..
[09:52] <CraHan> so I'm assuming it accepted the line
[09:52] <seth_slackware> hey
[09:52] <seth_slackware> any one need a gmail acount?
[09:52] <mike_w> sure!
[09:52] <DimSum|Sleep> Everyone has a Gmail account, lol
[09:52] <DimSum|Sleep> Wtf? I'm not asleep
[09:52] <CraHan> I think I still have about 5 to give away I think
[09:52] <phlaegel> mike_w: not sure if there's a trick with floppies or not. I've hardly touched grub, and I haven't had a floppy drive in my machines in years...
[09:53] <DimSum> CraHan: 6 ;P
[09:53] <DimSum> Gmail fills everyone's accounts up to 6
[09:53] <DimSum> like every day
[09:53] <CraHan> heh
[09:53] <mike_w> phlaegel: thanks anyway
[09:53] <CraHan> good point
[09:53] <Wsquared> Phlaegel: Argh, I should have know that. Thanks.
[09:53] <seth_slackware> TOOTHPICK
[09:54] <CraHan> lemme try acpi=off
[09:54] <toothpick> If linux had a gradebook as good as thinkwave educator or even teacher toolbox I could probably get some more people using it.
[09:54] <toothpick> What's up seth_slackware ?
[09:54] <seth_slackware>  not much
[09:54] <seth_slackware> i am going to try this ubuntu
[09:54] <toothpick> seth_slackware: you ever hear of directbox.com?
[09:54] <seth_slackware> no
[09:54] <toothpick> they have 1.5 gigs of mail space...but it appears to be in german.
[09:55] <seth_slackware> O
[09:55] <seth_slackware> i don't speck german , so that no good to me
[09:55] <toothpick> me neither.
[09:55] <Wsquared> OK, now in Synaptic, after hitting Refresh, I get a warning window with the heading "Failed to download all index files"
[09:56] <seth_slackware> does this distro have xfce4
[09:56] <seth_slackware> ?
[09:56] <Wsquared> ... and in the text box in the window it says: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[09:56] <CraHan> ok guys`
[09:56] <CraHan> WORKING :)
[09:56] <CraHan> pinging the server
[09:56] <truk_away> CraHan: what was the problem?
[09:56] <Elim> ok i have a dhcp network how do i set it up when dhcp isnt installed?
[09:57] <truk_away> acpi=off ?
[09:57] <CraHan> acpi
[09:57] <CraHan> yeqh
[09:57] <truk_away> fucking acpi
[09:57] <CraHan> that did the trick
[09:57] <toothpick> you could apt-get install it seth_slackware 
[09:57] <seth_slackware> ok
[09:57] <CraHan> well, another lesson learned I guess :)
[09:57] <Elim> ok i have a dhcp network how do i set it up when dhcp isnt installed?
[09:58] <Elim> anyone?
[09:59] <CraHan> dhcp works fine too
[09:59] <CraHan> all dandy now :)
[09:59] <Elim> not for me it doesnt
[10:00] <Elim> i could set a root up so now thats good now how do i set up dhcp?
[10:00] <Wsquared> And now, after closing the previous error message, I get a new warning: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_main_binary-i386_Packages)
[10:00] <CraHan> thanks truk_away  and robertj 
[10:00] <mike_w> Elim: sorry, don't know. I set mine up during the install process
[10:00] <trey_> seth_slackware, debian repositories work fine with Ubuntu... packages.debian.org
[10:00] <phlaegel> Wsquared: do you basically have the default sources.list?
[10:00] <seth_slackware> ok
[10:01] <keifer> Wsquared : try commenting out the origonal two lines of the list.
[10:01] <keifer> trey_: they do? You mean, i can get my kde3.3?
[10:01] <punkass> how can i tell if the laptop goes into 'standby' or 'hibernate' mode when i close the lid
[10:02] <trey_> keifer, yes... if there are arguments though, the debian package is chosen (u comes after . or - apparently)
[10:03] <Wsquared> phlaegel, keifer: Ah, I see. I only uncommented the lines that include universe, but I left the previous two lines (with just main and restricted).
[10:04] <trey_> keifer, according to ubuntu's site, its not advised for this reason...
[10:05] <trey_> keifer, one question:
[10:05] <keifer> yes?
[10:05] <trey_> Why would you use Ubuntu with KDE?
[10:06] <trey_> Why not just Debian? I mean Ubuntu is just Sarge with GNOME 2.8 right now
[10:06] <keifer> dunno - just to do it I guess. :P
[10:06] <Qerub> trey_: Because Ubuntu is easier to get up and running? :)
[10:06] <keifer> plus, i can't get debian to install.
[10:07] <keifer> the installer like hates me. :P
[10:07] <trey_> Qerub, its really not though... sarge and ubuntu both use debian-installer right now...
[10:07] <keifer> deb works fine untill I reboot, then Xfree raises hell
[10:07] <trey_> keifer, oh, still using boot-floppies? its out dated...
[10:08] <schvenk> granted i'm working on a powerbook, but i was unable to get sarge to install after multiple attempts, while ubuntu was problem-free, took like an hour and worked on the first try, supports my hardware near-perfectly
[10:08] <Qerub> trey_: I said it's *easier*. I'm not saying that installing Debian with d-i is hard.
[10:08] <keifer> schvenk: ah, a fellow ppc users. You got working sound?
[10:09] <schvenk> yeah, like a charm. PBG4 DVI 667MHz
[10:09] <trey_> Qerub, Ubuntu basically gets rid of a few customization choices that are easy to figure out, takes away root, and picks packages for you... how is this easier?
[10:09] <keifer> hmmmm, I don't have any sound - maybe it's an imac thing
[10:09] <schvenk> dunno
[10:09] <schvenk> i wish i could say i did something in particular to make it happen, but i just installed it
[10:09] <keifer> lol
[10:10] <schvenk> i assume you've checked all the basic stuff like is the volume up?
[10:10] <Qerub> trey_: I'm thinking of your first and third point. :)
[10:10] <punkass> check alsamixer...make sure you have to channels muted
[10:10] <Wsquared> keifer, phlaegel: OK, that's better. Thanks.  Next question (sure to be a FAQ): Is there no DVD player in universe? gxine? ogle?
[10:11] <phlaegel> Wsquared: no, it's a legal issue
[10:11] <phlaegel> Wsquared: the marillat source comes in handy...
[10:11] <trey_> Qerub, them picking packages made things for complicated for me... having to get situated to a new package set is annoying... that and the root thing is ALL that aren't a part of d-i
[10:12] <schvenk> anyone feel like helping with a couple gnome config questions?
[10:12] <Qerub> trey_: Mhmhmmh. Nevermind.
[10:12] <trey_> phlaegel, his w32codecs and ffmpeg packages don't appear to work with totem-gstreamer... any better luck there?
[10:13] <trey_> Qerub, *shrug* I'm used to 'apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome-core kernel-image-2.6-k7 debfoster' being my first command when I reinstall...
[10:14] <Qerub> trey_: BTW, are w32codecs supposed to work with gstreamer?
[10:14] <trey_> Qerub, having to fix X because the auto discovery sucks made me mad
[10:14] <jono> hia ll
[10:14] <jono> hi all rather
[10:14] <phlaegel> trey_: I switched immediately to totem-xine...
[10:14] <Qerub> trey_: Yes, me too. But I'm more concerned about the "average Joe user" installing it.
[10:15] <Wsquared> ... "average joe user" ... Hey, that's me.
[10:15] <trey_> Qerub, no idea actually... they're not even listed in "Add proprietary plugins" which would be a good start  :/
[10:15] <trey_> phlaegel, I despize xine  :/
[10:16] <phlaegel> it works for me. better than gstreamer, anyway.
[10:16] <trey_> mplayer > *
[10:16] <phlaegel> although, I really mostly use totem for dvds, mplayer for just about everything else.
[10:17] <jono> if I want to compile a seperate kernel module, do I need to actually recompile my kernel, or can I just use the distro kernel and install the source
[10:18] <trey_> jono, yes? kernel-headers is installed I think... so it should just compile... try it and see...
[10:18] <trey_> apt-get install build-essential first though
[10:18] <jono> trey_, cheers dude
[10:18] <cgdef> I have a weird problem
[10:19] <cgdef> my system says that gcc is not found
[10:19] <trey_> cgdef, thats not wierd
[10:19] <cgdef> doesn't ubuntu install gcc by default
[10:19] <jono> trey_, I am getting the  linux-source-2.6.8.1 source
[10:19] <trey_> apt-get install build-essential
[10:19] <toothpick> apt-get install make
[10:19] <toothpick> trey_: do that
[10:19] <toothpick> rather do what trey_ said
[10:19] <toothpick> I'm confused
[10:19] <trey_> toothpick, apt-cache show build-essential  ;)
[10:19] <schvenk> keifer: i don't suppose you've figured out how to do something with the command key on your keyboard?
[10:19] <cgdef> wait so ubuntu does not install the build system?
[10:20] <trey_> cgdef, guess not  :/
[10:20] <punkass> ok i have  ndiswrapper in /etc/modules and i have reboot a pile of times and never had a problem..then all of a sudden i do a reboot and it hangs at ndiswrapper
[10:20] <cgdef> that sux
[10:20] <trey_> cgdef, else it would be installed, no?  :/
[10:20] <cgdef> yeah I thought so too
[10:20] <trey_> cgdef, not really... its a command away  :/
[10:20] <trey_> cgdef, stop complaining, and apt-get install build-essential
[10:21] <cgdef> I wasn't complaining just commenting :)
[10:21] <punkass> if i take ndiswrapper out.. and boot its fine.. and i can modprobe ndiswrapper no problem
[10:21] <jono> hmmm it says make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-2-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[10:22] <jono> where do I get that build thing?
[10:22] <punkass> i believe you link it to the source dir
[10:22] <cgdef> I really new to debian like systems and for the last 2 years I have been using Slackware non stop so is there a good tutorial site or something that woudl help me in the transition?
[10:22] <trey_> jono, you just type it  :/
[10:22] <jono> trey_, I install build essential but I can compile my driver
[10:22] <jono> punkass, was that for me?
[10:22] <tseng> tvon: they are in Sid
[10:22] <punkass> yeah
[10:22] <durand> does anyone know how I can install/get wvdial?
[10:22] <jono> punkass, what do i do?
[10:23] <jono> symlink build to /usr/src/linux?
[10:23] <punkass> yes linux-2.6.8-xxxx
[10:23] <trey_> cgdef, 'think lazy' would pretty much be good advice... debconf is your friend, learn it... should be easy...
[10:23] <jono> punkass, ok I will try
[10:23] <jono> punkass, is that a common thing?
[10:23] <trey_> jono, you also need kernel-headers for modules to be added to the current kernel...
[10:23] <cgdef> trey_:thanks
[10:23] <phlaegel> durand: it's in universe
[10:24] <durand> thanks
[10:24] <jono> trey_, got that :)
[10:24] <punkass> not sure.. was trying to build something earlier and thats what it told me to do
[10:24] <trey_> apt-get install kernel-headers-{uname -r}
[10:24] <cgdef> trey_: apt-get installed gcc 3.3.4 and there is also 3.4.2 how do I tell it to update it?
[10:24] <jono> punkass, oh cool
[10:25] <cgdef> *upgrade it
[10:25] <whiprush> do you have them both installed cgdef?
[10:25] <cgdef> no but they are both listed in the gui installer
[10:25] <Wsquared> Is there a FAQ somewhere that answers why gcc is not installed?
[10:25] <trey_> cgdef, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:26] <phlaegel> Wsquared: it's a desktop distro, intended more for non-technical users.
[10:26] <cgdef> well the thing is that when I update apt-get I get an error that one of the index files cannot be resolved
[10:26] <whiprush> http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals <--- good place to start cgdef 
[10:26] <trey_> Wsquared, "we didn't select it in the script" is about as precise as they will get...
[10:26] <cgdef> whiprush:thanks for the info
[10:26] <cgdef> will look through it
[10:27] <trey_> cgdef, you did apt-get update first? apt-get -f install
[10:27] <whiprush> the "Debian Reference" is awesome imo.
[10:28] <trey_> (apt-get --fix install)
[10:31] <cgdef> man this is infinitelly easier compared to slackware
[10:31] <cgdef> of cource I already expected that ...
[10:31] <sivang> cgdef : don't say infinitelly, say "ingillegently" :)
[10:32] <cgdef> lol
[10:32] <cgdef> yeah what he said
[10:35] <Lowe[Sleeping] > how would i add this repository? http://rarewares.soniccompression.com/debian/packages/unstable/
[10:36] <jmhodges> ok, hey.. silly question
[10:36] <jmhodges> i manually edited my parititions
[10:36] <sivang> jmhodges : ok, and ?
[10:36] <jmhodges> but now the install is freezing at "Retrieving bsdutils.."
[10:36] <jmhodges> thsi is using 2 different downloads of the iso and 2 different cds
[10:36] <jmhodges> i looked at F3
[10:36] <jmhodges> and found this message printed twice
[10:36] <jmhodges> "No matching physical volumes founds"
[10:37] <jmhodges> "No volume groups found"
[10:37] <jmhodges> "reading all physical volumes. This may take a while.."
[10:37] <jmhodges> now i tried to do the Configure LVM thing by hand, but it was tossing me back with the same errors (this time in ncurses)
[10:37] <jmhodges> what did i do wrong in my parititioning?
[10:37] <sivang> jmhodges : Were you trying to use a logical volume manager configuration?
[10:37] <jmhodges> nope
[10:37] <jmhodges> well.. i dont think so
[10:37] <Elim> i cannot connect to the inet on my mac the setup only allows me to setup a ppp conection but i use a dhcp
[10:38] <jmhodges> sivang: i deleted a partition i had and then used the "auto partition" to take care of it
[10:38] <sivang> jmhodges : ok, and freezed and never came back?
[10:39] <jmhodges> no, what happened is that it Went Red^(tm)
[10:39] <sivang> Elim : you have a dhcp authentication connection? (cable)
[10:39] <sivang> jmhodges : what did the error message said?
[10:39] <sivang> hey keybuk
[10:39] <jmhodges> sivang: oh damn.. now i cant remember.. thats the one i didnt write down.. damn.. but i do remember there being kernel errors in F3 .. mentioned logical
[10:40] <jmhodges> dammit, i thought that was the error message i would remember
[10:40] <jmhodges> sorry, i suppose i could just head back and copy that back down
[10:40] <Elim> i have adsl connected to a router which have several computers connected too my problem is i didnt have the cable conected during the install so i cant connect how do i do it manually
[10:41] <sivang> Elim : you can either reboot, ubuntu will try to dhcp a connection upon boot - or in a terminal do
[10:41] <punkass> Computer > System Config > Networking
[10:41] <punkass> you can add a connection
[10:41] <sivang> Elim : ifup eth0 (on i386) 
[10:41] <hypatia> that particular dialog is pretty crashy
[10:41] <sivang> ELim : or the equivalen on the mac 
[10:42] <sivang> ELim : ifup will try to fire up the device and dhcp configure it
[10:42] <jono> is kernel-header-(uname -r) in linux-kernel-headers?
[10:43] <punkass> anyone know why a module would just stop loading at boot time?
[10:43] <Elim> it says ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0
[10:43] <punkass> i havent changed anything..
[10:43] <sivang> Elim : sorry it's not eth0 on mac, it has some other name
[10:43] <punkass> and i can modprobe it fine when i booted up
[10:43] <Wsquared> Is this correct: To use the marillat repository, I just add the line "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main" to souces.list, and then apt-get update.
[10:44] <durand> How do I set up my modem in ubuntu without wvdial ?
[10:44] <Elim> okay i have found a dhcp .udeb on the cd how do i install it?
[10:45] <hypatia> durand: try "sudo pppconfig"
[10:45] <sivang> Elim : are you sure your system does not contain it already? :)
[10:45] <hypatia> durand: it isn't great though
[10:45] <sivang> Elim : are you on an already installed system?
[10:45] <Elim> im not sure there doent seem to be anything in bin
[10:45] <durand> hypatia: does it dial out and establish the connection?
[10:45] <sivang> Elim : you finished an ubuntu install ?
[10:46] <hypatia> durand: no
[10:46] <hypatia> durand: to actually dial out "sudo pon"
[10:46] <Elim> yes i did 
[10:46] <hypatia> I believe "slightly more friendly dialup tools" are on the todo list somewhere
[10:46] <durand> hypatia: okay, thanks. that helps me out.
[10:46] <hypatia> I asked about it just before the public preview
[10:47] <mooch> any need for testing the installation process under ibook g3?
[10:47] <sivang> Elim : ok, what do you get when you do "ifup" ?
[10:47] <Elim> it says ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0
[10:48] <durand> hypatia: k, thanks! i'm going to go try
[10:48] <Elim> ifup lo  says its allready configured
[10:48] <Mitario> is there some page/document that describes convertig debian packages to ubuntu packages?
[10:49] <sivang> Elim : well, you can try to reboot when you are already connected and see if you have lan by dhcp
[10:49] <Mithrandir> Mitario: they are the same
[10:49] <mooch> Mitario: debian and ubuntu packages should be the same in the structure
[10:49] <mooch> Mitario: just compile the package under an ubuntu installed base and there you are
[10:50] <hypatia> Elim: You'll most likely need to fix up your /etc/network/interfaces file
[10:50] <Elim> i have and it doesn;'t work im gonna reinstall cos acording to the manual it auto configs it durning install and it was disconnected at the time
[10:50] <Elim> ok ill try that 1st
[10:50] <hypatia> Elim: "man interfaces" is a reasonable guide
[10:51] <hypatia> Elim: see also section 10.5 of http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html
[10:55] <jmhodges> ok, thats why i thought i would remember it
[10:55] <jmhodges> it tells me to look at vc3
[10:55] <jmhodges> and all it says beyond that message i already put up
[10:55] <jmhodges> "cp: Read error: Input/output error"
[10:55] <punkass> is there some sort of GUI disk mounter in Ubuntu?
[10:56] <sivang> jmhodges : how did you download your iso ?
[10:57] <jmhodges> sivang: through firefox
[10:57] <jmhodges> sivang: twice, over a cable connection
[10:57] <jmhodges> and i've burned the second download on two separate discs and neither worked
[10:57] <sivang> jmhodges : ok, that looks like you've got a bad iso or probably something went bad on the downlaod. try using rsync
[10:57] <jmhodges> argh
[10:57] <sivang> jmhodges : or a bittorrent link
[10:58] <jmhodges> i can't.. the burner is over on a windows only box
[10:58] <jmhodges> fsck..
[10:58] <sivang> sivang : if you already got the iso at hand, you might want to just do an rsync against it - it would fix the broken parts.
[10:58] <housetier> is ubuntu available for jigdo?
[10:58] <jmhodges> sigh.. i guess i could find an rsync for windows utilities
[10:58] <jmhodges> s/utilities/utility/
[10:59] <sivang> punkass : there a media mounter standard un GNOME
[10:59] <sivang> punkass : it's more an applet, rather than a whole app.
[11:00] <punkass> where is that?... i want to mount an linux and xp partition
[11:06] <punkass> sivang: where do i find it?
[11:07] <sivang> jmhodges : i am no it will work with partition which are not listen in /etc/fstab
[11:08] <sivang> punkass : if you add the correct lines into that file, they would appear auto on the "disks" menu
[11:08] <punkass> into fstab?
[11:08] <sivang> punkass : yes.
[11:08] <punkass> k thanks
[11:24] <bmzf> hello people...
[11:24] <bmzf> i've had problems activating a linksys wireless card on a thinkpad t21
[11:24] <bmzf> anyone?
[11:25] <jmhodges> argh, whats the rsync server that has the warty iso on it?
[11:26] <phlaegel> rsync://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current/warty-i386.iso
[11:26] <jmhodges> thanks
[11:26] <phlaegel> np
[11:27] <jmhodges> bah, i thought i had looked there, thanks a ton
[11:32] <bad_ronald> Hi, I was here yesterday with some sound issues, and I thought they were fixed, but I'm still having some trouble.
[11:32] <bad_ronald> Only the right speaker has playback
[11:33] <bad_ronald> and the headphone slider controls my speakers
[11:33] <bad_ronald> It's the alsa mixer, not the oss mixer, if that helps
[11:37] <bad_ronald> Can anyone help with the sound issue, or direct me to a webpage with some info?
[11:38] <punkass> bad_ronald: sorry i have never run into those problems before
[11:38] <punkass> it u make sure in alsamixer that both r and l are up
[11:39] <subterrific> any ppc gurus here?
[11:39] <bad_ronald> Yeah, they're all all the way up, and nothing is muted
[11:39] <IkeKrull> can anyone tell me if there is kernel source on the ubuntu PR CD?
[11:41] <schweeb> probably doesn't have the source
[11:41] <schweeb> probably have to apt-get it
[11:41] <bad_ronald> I tried the audio output in Knoppix, and it still worked, so I don't think something happened to the soundcard or loose wires, etc.
[11:41] <IkeKrull> meh.. i want to install the source on a machine with no internet conenction
[11:42] <IkeKrull> well, it has a PCI wireless card in it
[11:42] <IkeKrull> but it needs a module compiled
[11:43] <robertj> Hrmm, Frozen Bubble needs to go into warty ;)
[11:43] <robertj> I believe it falls under the special exemption category
[11:43] <robertj> How is anyone supposed to get any work done if they are undergoing severe withdrawl
[11:44] <theantix> does the debian frozen-bubble play nicely with gnome?  the fedora one sure doesn't -- problems with sound and you can't close via the "X" icon.
[11:45] <Netwolf> hello
[11:45] <Deft> IkeKrull, it isn't on the cd, but you could fit the packages on a usb pen or something
[11:45] <Netwolf> I LOVE ubuntu
[11:45] <IkeKrull> Deft: yeah can do that.. where do i get the packages from though?
[11:45] <Netwolf> thanks guyz...
[11:46] <Deft> simple way would be to get them straight from kernel.org, they are almost the same
[11:46] <Netwolf> can we add debian package lists to apt-get.conf?
[11:46] <Netwolf> or would that screw up ubuntu?
[11:46] <IkeKrull> ok, and what about kernel config, can i just zcat /proc/kconfig or whatever?
[11:46] <Deft> Netwolf, maybe...
[11:46] <subterrific> Netwolf: there is a FAQ about that
[11:46] <schweeb> it's not recommended to add debian lists
[11:47] <schweeb> but possible
[11:47] <SystemX_> i added sid to it and i haven't had any trouble
[11:47] <subterrific> it says you can, but its not a good idea
[11:47] <Deft> IkeKrull, unzip the source, cd to it, run make oldconfig; should work anyway
[11:47] <jdub> GOOD MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS!
[11:47] <vincent> uh uh http://users.net1plus.com/scottm/HomeComputer.jpg
[11:47] <IkeKrull> Deft: ok, will try that, thanks
[11:47] <SystemX_> i thik as long as you don' try to install stuff that depends on this that are older then what is on the system you will be alright
[11:47] <Deft> jdub, morning? you've got that wrong for a start
[11:47] <vincent> jdub: good night
[11:47] <jdub> Deft: .au, dude :)
[11:48] <SystemX_> think* things*
[11:48] <crimsun> hehe
[11:48] <Wsquared> Hey there.  Has anyone gotten a DVD player to work?  Ogle, gxine, mplayer, anything? (I know ubuntu doesn't include one for legal reasons.)  I've added marillat's repository to sources.list, and installed w32codecs, libdvdcss2, vlc, mplayer, ogle, and other stuff, but none of the players work 100%.
[11:48] <maswan> jdub: good night, freedom lover. :)
[11:48] <robertj> Can anyone think of a way to make the icons in the task launcher bigger and have the icon descriptions show only on hover?
[11:49] <theantix> Wsquared, I got dvd working in mplayer working by using the debian-marillat repositories
[11:49] <schweeb> yea, marillat worked just fine for me
[11:49] <Deft> Wsquared, totem-xine + libdvdcss2 will do
[11:52] <phlaegel> ^^ that's all I did to get dvds working
[11:52] <Wsquared> When I run mplayer, I get an error message that says "alsa-conrol: mixer attach /dev/mixer error: No such file or directory".
[11:53] <theantix> Wsquared, yeah, switch to OSS sound output to get around that, or try what Deft and phlaegel suggest
[11:53] <Wsquared> Actually, the dvd plays, with sound, but the pop-up error message keeps flickering in front of the output window.
[11:53] <theantix> yup, same exact thing with me, just change the mplayer audio output to OSS
[11:54] <phlaegel> mplayer and alsa work fine here.
[11:55] <Netwolf> phlaegel: did you have compile mplayer yourself?
[11:55] <Netwolf> or are you using some mirror for debian?
[11:56] <phlaegel> marillat
[11:56] <Netwolf> s/for/from
[11:56] <Netwolf> I'm sorry I don't know what marillat is
[11:57] <Deft> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[11:57] <punkass> is there ways to test if my laptop is using less resoruces when unpluged...and when the lid is closed?
[11:59] <jvic> hi, i've just tried to install Ubuntu here, but apparently it won't let me specify which partitions i want Ubuntu to use. I went to the "Manually partition" screen, but it only lists my HD. Is that correct? It also gives me some more options about LVM, RAID, etc.