=== warthylog [~warthylog@port1845.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:21] fabbione: ahoy [06:27] hey m_tthew [07:04] morning [07:11] mdz: for the ati/flrdkjdjds driver... [07:11] the script is very simple [07:11] is the same as the nvidia one [07:11] skip the kernel part [07:11] and change the driver names [07:12] for now let's keep them separate and "hackish" [07:12] ok [07:12] we will work on a all-in-one integrated solution for hoary [07:12] I figured they could probably be merged into one script without much trouble [07:12] but whatever is easiest for you [07:12] i was more happy to provide a script from X directly to do so [07:12] but not for final [07:13] if you feel more happy to merge them, just go ahead [07:13] i need to fix X today [07:13] what issues remain before you do your next upload? [07:13] a bunches [07:13] you said something about 12-16 hours on the list [07:13] all small things, but they need to be tested [07:13] because they need to be tested [07:13] we have many interested testers now :-) [07:14] I did merge already daniels work yesterday [07:14] so i have a few things for KBD from debian [07:14] and a bunch of small bug fixes [07:14] but again.., no blind uploads [07:14] i want to test as much as i can before [07:15] of course [07:16] and X doesn't take like 5 minutes to build... [07:16] but you can also upload to /~fabbione/ and ubuntu users will help to test [07:16] that's just a small detail :-) [07:16] mdz the 2 major changes have been tested already [07:16] nv and ati [07:16] daniels should have tested ati [07:17] but the minor bug fixes... first i need to make them :-) [07:17] than test the fixes [07:17] I can test ati as well if i386 binaries are available [07:17] mdz: i don't have them. I can build them for you [07:17] but it will take approx 40 minutes [07:18] will you be around? [07:18] probably yes [07:18] I am planning to stay up late tonight [07:18] ok [07:18] building now :-) [07:18] brb [07:19] my fast i386 is still running unstable [07:19] I meant to migrate it this weekend, but there have been so many bugs and mailing list traffic [07:20] there is no need to migrate to test the driver [07:20] or yes.. [07:20] hmmm [07:20] well, I need to migrate it [07:21] there should be no need [07:21] currently I need to use either my laptop or a chroot to do warty/i386 builds [07:21] ok [07:37] almost built [07:37] ccache is the r0ck5 [07:37] mdz: we should probably announce this channel [07:38] since we have started using it [07:38] fabbione: are you sure that 1417 and 840 are the same? [07:38] yes, ccache is the r00lz [07:38] xchat won't let me type t-e-h [07:38] yes, we should [07:39] we should also announce the ubuntu-devel mailing list [07:39] since no one seems to use it [07:39] but i am afraid of all this support traffic coming over to -devel [07:39] we should at least get the Canonical guys into this channel, though [07:40] mdz: I am pretty sure they are the same problem [07:41] xchat sucks :-) get a real irc client ;) [07:41] fabbione: one was about acceleration, and the other about duplicate events [07:41] mdz: acceleration is caused also by duplicate events [07:41] double data = faster mouse [07:42] I suppose it could be [07:42] mdz: people.nny.com/~fabbione/ati/i386 [07:42] stick them in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers [07:42] and let us know :-) [07:42] take a backup of the old drivers [07:42] just in case [07:43] testing [07:44] eek, failed [07:44] error? [07:44] segfault [07:44] (II) LoadModule: "ati" [07:44] (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/ati_drv.o [07:44] (EE) LoadModule: Module ati does not have a atiModuleData data object. [07:44] (II) UnloadModule: "ati" [07:44] (II) Unloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/ati_drv.o [07:44] *** If unresolved symbols were reported above, they might not [07:44] *** be the reason for the server aborting. [07:44] Fatal server error: [07:44] Caught signal 11. Server aborting [07:44] is this on the Debian machine? [07:44] no [07:44] ok.. than wait [07:45] i will pass you the entire xserver package [07:45] Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu18 [07:45] ok [07:45] I have bandwidth [07:45] there might be more that needs to be installed [07:45] it is still building the .debs [07:45] i grabbed the driver from the build dir [07:46] say when [07:46] in a few minutes [07:46] it's still building the debugging stuff [07:48] but if the debug package builds correctly, it means that all the symbols are there === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:mdz] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion on #ubuntu [07:48] so it is just "something else" that is missing and the package needs to be fully upgraded [07:50] or daniels did a huge fuck up :-))) [08:01] mdz: people.nny.com/~fabbione/ [08:01] there are 2 .deb. [08:01] please install both and test again [08:01] i need to go out for a hour or so [08:01] bbl [08:01] ps if it doesn't work lart daniels with a cluestick on the teeth [08:01] ;) [08:07] i have to run off [08:07] ops [08:53] downloading [09:13] re [09:13] amazing the bank payed my house twice [09:15] mdz: any news? [09:16] fabbione: locked my machine [09:17] the X cursor came up on a black screen [09:17] and that was it [09:18] same after a reboot [09:19] FUCK [09:20] I have a logfile if you want it [09:20] but it doesn't show much [09:20] is daniel still around? [09:20] he did the backport and might know how to fix it [09:20] otherwise i will have to do a full backport [09:20] i already pinged him [09:20] me too [09:22] downgrading [09:30] I'm back at ubuntu18 for now [09:33] mdz: permission to upload new lsb with AMD64 support? #1354, patch at http://raw.no/patches/lsb_1.3.amd64.diff [09:34] Mithrandir: OK [09:34] Mithrandir: please mention #1354 in the changelog though [09:34] ok [09:36] mdz: yes.. i will see what the status with daniel if he will show up again [09:51] mdz: permission to upload new libmikmod with AMD64 support? (1409, 1411), patch at http://raw.no/patches/libmikmod_3.1.11-2.amd64.diff ; verified on amd64 [09:54] Mithrandir: approved [09:54] thanks, uploaded === jdub [~jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:55] phwoar [09:55] ROCK AND ROLL [09:55] this permanent, or a dynamic meeting spot for something important? :) === bob2 [rob@bob2.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:56] the former :-) [09:56] yayayayay [09:56] ;) [09:59] .. and there the bug, with patch was filed with Debian. === pitti [~martin@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:02] mdz: I have to bother you again with #1345; I did not recognize that there was a new patch 07_init.patch which changed debian/hal.init.md5sum [10:02] mdz: please see the changelog entry of the new diff [10:13] mdz: blah, I suck. 1409 wasn't closed by mikmod, they looked like dupes. Only 1411 was, the other one is against sdl. Fixing it now. [10:18] pitti: it would be better to keep the init changes separated in a patch [10:18] Mithrandir: yes, I had to look twice at it myself [10:18] the reports were not exactly, er, detailed [10:20] mdz: permission to upload sdl-mixer1.2; amd64 fix, bug #1309, patch at http://raw.no/patches/sdl-mixer1.2_1.2.5-5.amd64.diff ? [10:21] Mithrandir: approved [10:21] thanks, uploaded [10:32] mdz: but then I have to change the patch anyway because hal.init.in was introduced in Ubuntu [10:32] mdz: basically the whole hal.init.in file _is_ the patch, it replaces Debian's hal.init file [10:32] mdz: that's why it does not make much sense to me to have a patch === Mithrandir whacks evolution === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-111-1-18-23.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:21] hey [11:25] wassuP! [11:25] seberino! [11:26] hey seb! [11:30] so many chans ! [11:53] pitti: Subject: hal 0.2.98 released [11:53] :-) [11:54] jdub: Hopefully it fixes many of 0.2.97's regressions :-/ [11:54] jdub: but at least it should now have my security changes adopted [11:55] rocking [11:55] jdub: nobody replied to my mail, but seriously, I want a NEEDINFO state :) [11:56] :-) [11:56] hrm [11:56] wonder if i cna do that [11:58] nah [11:58] bummer [12:04] jdub: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1338 [12:04] permission to upload ? === jdthood [~jdthood@aglu.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:12] seb128: done [12:12] thanks [01:27] jdub: https://bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1430 [01:27] jdub: can I upload this? === daniels [daniel@fooishbar.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:30] mdz: i386 or amd64? [01:30] (the amd thing) [01:30] i386 [01:30] and we cannot even jump to X.org [01:30] because there are changes in drm/dri [01:32] daniels: oh btw.. i think i have the fix for Xv on nvidia [01:33] trying to do a full backport of ATi gave an insane idea of what the problem could be [01:35] what's the problem? [01:35] huh, changes in drm again? i missed that [01:35] oh, not the api -- i get you [01:35] yeah, that backport was a bitch to do [01:35] ahr, that really bites. [01:36] mdz: can you please install -dbg, run with -core under gdb and see if you can hit the segfault? [01:36] XFree86 :1 -ac -logverbose 99999999999 -verbose 999999999999999999 -core, would kick arse [01:37] daniels: just check the chan logs :-) [01:37] daniels: i think the bug in Xv is related to the changes in miRagionEqual [01:37] daniels: but i can't be sure 100% [01:37] so i need a round of test [01:37] ah, yeah [01:38] all the region stuff changing is a pain in the arse [01:38] and it's different again in kdrive [01:38] guess how much fun making the xorg ddx run on kdrive's dix was, with a totally different fb layer :P [01:38] daniels: yes. that's why Branden redefines them per driver [01:38] no i don't want to guess [01:38] to much pain [01:38] :-) [01:38] heh [01:38] um, which channel logs -- #ubuntu-devel? [01:39] yes [01:39] pitti: do we really want to do that at this stage? [01:39] fabbione: okay [01:39] jdub: Matt says so, see the bug trail. I'm not sure, but it probably avoids much confusion for new users [01:40] jdub: it's major :-/ [01:40] mdz: does not have atimoduledata?!?!?! [01:40] sweet mother of god [01:40] jdub: this was my first piece of gnome programming, so I would appreciate a second look at the patch (for me it works well) [01:41] fabbione: um, where's the module now? [01:41] ok, if matt reckons g-s-t should do it, then let's do it ;) [01:41] fabbione: people.nny.com/~fabbione/ati/i386 is empty [01:41] pitti: can you get seb128 to comment on it? [01:41] fabbione: i want to disect the module with nm and shit [01:41] daniels: yes.. there are the deb packages [01:41] jdub: yep, will try [01:41] The requested URL /~fabbione/ati/i386/ was not found on this server. [01:41] daniels: a couple of layers up [01:41] ahr [01:41] fabbione: could you please put ati_drv for i386 somewhere? [01:42] seb128: I prepared a patch for https://bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1430 (attached to the bug) [01:42] daniels: it's building right now.... [01:42] daniels: gimme a few secs [01:42] fabbione: thanks mate [01:42] seb128: since this is my first real gnome code hacking, can you please take a look at it and inform jdub and me? [01:42] i just don't much fancy pulling a whole xserver-xfree86 if I can avoid it ;) [01:42] pitti: not right now, I'm way too much overloaded, sorry [01:43] jdub: ^ [01:43] pitti: in about 15min [01:43] seb128: okay, thanks anyway [01:43] oh man, FUCK these dell D600 laptops! [01:43] seb128: ah okay, this is completely sufficient [01:43] pitti: perhaps grab jamesh if he's around [01:45] daniels: they are up on people [01:45] daniels: ~fabbione/ [01:46] fabbione: thanks dude [01:46] daniels: no problem [01:50] jdub: http://freedesktop.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/gstreamer/gstreamer/gst/gstelement.c.diff?r1=1.300&r2=1.301 [01:50] ^^ fixes the theora streaming reading with gstreamer [01:50] should we consider this patch ? [01:50] i wouldn't put it on high priority, myself [01:51] when are they going to do a new release? [01:51] good question :) [01:52] mdz: does setting the driver to radeon instead of ati help? [01:54] jdub: permission for #1286? [01:55] thom: before you upload [01:55] thom: bother craige about his camera [01:55] i think it needs some fdi loving === sivang [~user1@80.179.82.15.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:56] jdub: ACK [02:00] daniels: i am more and more convinced i fixed the Xv problem [02:00] daniels: on one box xvinfo was not even giving output [02:00] daniels: now it does :-) [02:00] thanks thom :-) [02:02] ok time to test it [02:02] bbl [02:03] fabbione: sweet :) nice work dude [02:04] 000003d4 g O .data 0000000c atiModuleData [02:04] how the bloody hell can it be undefined? [02:04] it's unreproducible here [02:06] mdz: works just fine here with both ati_drv and radeon_drv; could you please get the ati files from people.nny.com/~fabbione and test? [02:10] daniels: ok.. Xv working on a box where it was not working before [02:10] daniels: i wonder if that fixes all the other crap [02:10] fabbione: sensational! [02:10] fabbione: what cards are the problems occurring on? [02:10] jdub: ok, will update the patch to include craige's camera too [02:10] i have a gf2 here, i think [02:10] daniels: oi, what's happened to freedesktop.org? [02:11] thom: given clee just dropped off the face of the earth wrt opn (fooish), i can't talk to oftc ... i suspect pdx is having Issues [02:11] should work OK now, though [02:11] i suspect half the world is invisible to it [02:11] try tunneling through amnesiac? [02:11] this is a RIVA TNT2 [02:11] i am preparing a driver to send around for test [02:12] ok, i can test on the gf2 later [02:12] i also have sis, mga, r128, and a couple of random cards [02:14] jdub: jamesh reviewed, found some small issues (memory leak), I will prepare an updated patch [02:14] jdub: in the meantime I fixed https://bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1448 [02:14] jdub: ugly, but very unintrusive; can I get permission? [02:14] seb128: jamesh already reviewed #1430, don't bother [02:14] ok, thanks [02:14] jdub: updated patch to 1286 [02:15] thom: go for it [02:15] oh [02:15] sorry [02:15] will comment [02:15] stupid different urls [02:15] daniels: can i remove the drivers from ~/fabbione ? [02:15] jdub: my net connection broke down for a few minutes. Did I miss any reply for #1448? [02:16] daniels: and btw.. they are the same i gave to Mdz [02:16] fabbione: yeah, I have them locally [02:16] fabbione: that's really weird though -- using ubuntu18, i have no problem with either ati or radeon [02:16] argh [02:16] daniels: he first tried ubuntu18 + drivers [02:16] daniels: than ubuntu19 [02:16] mdz: what sort of card do you have? [02:18] mdz: i need a log of XFree86 :1 -logverbose 99999999999999999 -verbose 9999999999999999999 -ac [02:18] that should catch all the whacky output [02:18] pitti: that's the one i just confirmed [02:18] jdub: thx [02:18] pitti: i confirm in bz comments, not on irc :) === lamont [~lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:25] Hi lamont! [02:25] hi pitti [02:34] guys i need someone to build X for me on ppc and amd64 [02:35] fabbione: sure. Source? [02:36] Mithrandir: uploading them right now.. [02:37] prod me when you're done. [02:40] Mithrandir: people.nny.com/~fabbione/ [02:40] Mithrandir: ubuntu19 [02:40] can you build also ppc? [02:41] no, sorry, I don't have any PPC set up. [02:41] lamont: do you think you can build it on any of our buildd, WITHOUT getting it in the archive? ;) [02:49] fabbione: 5.4G should be enough for the build? [02:50] Mithrandir: -B -b and it will go down to 3.2Gb [02:51] I only need the xserver-xfree86_ package [02:51] nothing more than that [02:51] ok [02:53] building [02:53] thanks :-)) [02:54] I should set up my G3 at home, it's not _that_ fast, but it should be useful to debug stuff [03:03] yeah i start to feel the need of a ppc and an amd64 [03:04] amd64 systems are really nice [03:04] Mithrandir: ENOMONEY for a loooong shile [03:04] while [03:04] yeah, sucks [03:04] jdub: I updated the patch for https://bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1430 according to jamesh's comments [03:05] approved [03:05] commented, etc. [03:09] jdub: thx [03:09] this is getting *very* busy [03:09] lots of people [03:09] lots of mail [03:13] jdub: permission to upload Xfree86 for: [03:14] #1390, #1492, #929, #1361, #1471, #1425, #1417, #1339, #1117 [03:14] heh, xedit is scriptable in lisp [03:14] + a bunch of small bug fixes (not all reported via bugzilla) [03:15] argh === fabbione grins evily watching jdub's face [03:15] fabbione: i'm going to be slightly loose on this one [03:16] fabbione: given that we have some weeks to go [03:16] fabbione: and i trust you've tested :) [03:16] fabbione: please upload [03:16] jdub: excuses :-)))) [03:16] ok [03:16] indeed ;) [03:16] i am waiting daniel/mdz to check the ati driver [03:16] otherwise i will ust drop those bits [03:18] jdub: you can add 1504 and 1506 to the list ;) [03:23] jdub: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1397 <- NOTABUG ? [03:24] seb128: NOTABUG :) [03:24] ok :) [03:42] fabbione: http://raw.no/tmp/xf/ [03:43] thanks [03:43] it's downloading all the amd64 .debs now [03:43] it takes a little while.. my line sucks, it seems [03:44] Mithrandir: the server was more than enough === mdz [~mdz@69-167-148-207.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:45] it's there now === m_tthew [matt@iorek.ice-nine.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:51] thanks [03:54] Mithrandir: you can wipe the .deb away [03:54] thanks a lot [03:55] done [03:55] and np [03:56] mdz: you alive? [04:00] fabbione: so if it's really not supposed to go into the archive, is that because it's debugging? in which case shouldn't it be -6unbuntu18.1? [04:00] so that 19 is still new when it hits the street? [04:01] lamont: i only need a driver out of it.. yeah well the version concept is correct [04:01] lamont: but nobody is using ubuntu19 [04:01] i am only extracting the nv driver [04:01] and traashing the debs [04:01] that's all i need atm [04:02] lamont: do you think you can build ppc please? [04:02] email me a pointer to the sources, and I'll get it built [04:02] lamont: people.nny.com/~fabbione/ [04:02] fwiw, you're less likely to get the ability to admin the chroot than you are to get a chroot... [04:03] lamont: honestly.. i don't mind.. really.. i just don't want to spend half day going around asking people to build X [04:03] lamont: if someone can take care of updating the chroot once in a while it's perfect for me [04:03] 3.2MB of DIFF??? sheesh [04:04] when i write "i am dealing to maintain the chroot" is only to remove extra work load from other people [04:04] not becuase i want to look cool or becuase i feel privileged ;) [04:04] jdub: is -firefox a release goal now? [04:04] heh [04:04] fabbione: just ppc, or do you need amd64 as well? [04:05] thom: yes [04:05] lamont: only ppc [04:05] lamont: Mithrandir did amd64 [04:05] jdub: so i should be ok to integrate and upload PR1? [04:05] yes please! [04:06] lamont: and please upload only xserver-xfree86_*. I don't need anything else. [04:06] s/upload/put somewhere/ [04:12] fabbione: give me about 90 minutes or so,iirc [04:13] lamont: super! it's ok for me [04:14] UHA UHA UHA the Xv extension fix seems to be working [04:15] *ONLY* 4 days of debugging [04:18] fabbione: you're not debugging features into existance are you???? :-) [04:20] jdub: tomboy looks pretty cool - much funkier than the gnome stickies thing [04:21] yeah [04:21] might talk to tseng about packaging it [04:21] jdub: what do you think about droping gst0.6 ? [04:21] seb128: probably a good idea [04:22] ok, I should mail ubuntu-devel about this ? [04:22] is it controversial? :) [04:22] seems like just nuking a bunch of stuff [04:24] lamont: no no.. it was broken. [04:24] thom: there you go ;) [04:24] lamont: see: #269025, #268759, #271235, #270228, #271071 [04:24] probably one or two more... [04:24] those are the ones i have written down [04:25] who is tseng? [04:25] let's hope is not John ;) [04:26] some gentoo developer [04:26] Brandon Hale , I'd guess [04:27] thom: the dude who's doing the mono repo [04:27] ahr [04:27] oh [04:32] tseng's a really cool guy [04:32] he's a gentoo toolchain guy who's really hyped about ubuntu [04:32] and he's doing our mono stuff [04:32] i subverted him :) [04:34] daniels: tell me something nice :-) [04:34] about the ati driver ;) [04:34] heh [04:34] it works for me [04:34] that's really nice :P [04:34] i guess i will have to test it here... [04:35] if you could, that would be nice [04:35] want to know if mdz is on speed or if it's actually stuffed [04:38] daniels: can you confirm atimisc is at 6.5.5 ? [04:39] fabbione: i could give you the md5sum [04:39] but, not having an atimisc card ... [04:40] did you dump the driver version? [04:40] bump? [04:41] yes bump sorry [04:41] ati_drv is 6.5.5 [04:41] yeah [04:41] didn't bump the driver version, come to think of it [04:41] it works here... [04:41] would make sense to do so [04:41] right [04:41] apparently :-) [04:41] RESOLVED/MINDALTERINGDRUGS :) [04:41] we need a KEEPSIPPING resolution [04:44] daniels: would help if i give a -dbg xserver to mdz? [04:45] fabbione: yeah, it would probably eliminate the problem, which seems to be that the loader is COMPLETE ARSE (news at eleven) [04:48] daniels: Subject: NVideo GeForce4 440 [04:48] i guess that's the usual xresprobe problem [04:48] which list? [04:48] -users [04:48] got it [04:49] oh, arse :\ [04:49] yeah, i think we can add this to the usual nv backport arse [04:51] if we can't get the panel res from the logs with the new driver, it's not going to display right regardless of what we do [04:51] which makes me feel better :) [04:52] the new driver has a lot of new code for panel detection [04:52] either it will work better or X will ask the question [04:52] yeah, I saw that [04:53] I was looking through the driver to check out the panel resolution crack to see if it could be trivially added [04:53] but I was looking at xorg HEAD, so I realied it already was, and cheered up immensely [04:53] fixed + not my problem == gold ;) [04:54] ehehe [05:55] seb128: had you planned to upgrade pygtk, or should i file a bug? [05:55] we are supposed to upgrade ? [05:55] they failed to release 2.4 at time, I thought we were going with 2.2 [05:56] one sec [05:57] seb128: one option is to talk to jamesh [05:57] jdahlin just suggested that [05:58] talk about what ? [05:58] pygtk [05:58] yes, but you want 2.3 in warty ? [05:59] 2.4 [05:59] if jdahlin or jamesh can do it [05:59] hum, they have released 2.4 now ? [05:59] I've talked with jdahlin like 2 days ago === seb128 hits jdahlin [06:00] jdub: I'll sort that with jdahlin & jamesh and let you know [06:01] thanks === parkerc [~parkerc@67.10.66.129] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:03] daniels: i am reverting the ATI driver for ubuntu19 [06:03] daniels: it's a FTBFS on ppc [06:05] seb128: jdahlin is scared of you. [06:05] ah ah [06:06] jdub: /j #pygtk dude, so we can sort this out now :p [06:06] i'm in #twisted ;) [06:07] jdub: BTW, ok for an upload of trashapplet 0.3 ? Basically all the canonical patches included and some translation updates [06:07] sure [07:08] morning [07:09] hello mdz [07:10] daniels, fabbione: the card is a radeon mobility M7 [07:10] /me kicks Xv [07:10] mdz: doh! i have the same here! [07:10] and it works [07:11] anyway i reverted the ati patches for ubuntu19 [07:11] they are a FTBFS on ppc [07:12] mdz: http://people.no-name-yet.com/~fabbione/changelog [07:12] am I allowed to upload? ;) [07:13] anyway the Xv extensions for nv are almost working [07:14] mdz: good morning! [07:14] not for everybody yet.. tought.. still better than now [07:14] pitti: morning [07:14] fabbione: so...many...changes :-) [07:15] mdz: so many bugs to fix.... [07:15] :-) [07:16] gah [07:16] morning mdz :) [07:16] the Closes: # are a mixture of Debian bugs and Ubuntu bugs [07:16] mdz: yes, I'm afraid I sent you a shipload of mails to dig through. Sorry :-/ [07:16] mdz: the Debian ones are a copy and paste from debian trunk [07:16] now mdz's up, i think i can safely go to bed ;) [07:16] mdz: the others are ubuntu specific [07:16] jdub: sleep well! [07:16] pitti: some interesting things happening on hal list === mdz tosses ubuntu-* in the "later" pile [07:16] mdz: nothing i can do about it without resync the 1000 bugs on X [07:17] mdz: bz has been fucking crazy [07:17] jdub: you mean utoia? [07:17] jdub: utopia [07:17] fabbione: my preference would be to upload it to /~fabbione/ and ask people to test it [07:17] pitti: hal [07:17] fabbione: especially those who encountered the bugs [07:17] jdub: hmm, I'm not subscribed to it. I take a look into the archves [07:18] jdub: interestingly, today a patch went in which supports device locking [07:18] jdub: I'm currently working at a similar locking mechanism for pmount [07:18] mmm [07:18] mdz: than please someone provides me access to amd64 and ppc to build the packages. I already did a request to Mark this morning [07:19] mdz: i can't keep going around asking people to build X [07:19] it's not something people *like* to do [07:22] fabbione: argh! how? [07:22] missing simbol [07:23] mdz: ok I am compiling (again) and put the stuff on people. [07:23] fabbione: which symbol? [07:24] daniels: check the backlog.. i can't remember. [07:24] something like RADEONPPL* [07:24] fabbione: send me an ssh public key [07:25] mdz: done.. [07:29] fabbione: oh, right [07:29] i can get you a fix in a couple of hours [07:29] daniels: ubuntu20 stuff. [07:30] it needs to be tested [07:30] good choice [07:30] anyway ubuntu19 is going on people [07:30] we have no green light [07:30] too many changes === mdz weeps at his inbox [07:31] i'm going to sleep for like four hours [07:31] so it can't build up === pitti will file a bug about mail DOS attacks against mdt [07:32] mdz, even [07:34] i do.. on a regular base [07:34] ops [07:54] pitti: upload approvals should go to both me and jdub [07:54] pitti: because at least one of us will be awake [07:54] no one should block on upload approval [07:55] mdz: I thought you wanted to review it since you had some reservations [07:55] mdz: what are these -3 kernels mentioned on the wiki? [07:55] pitti: #1345 approved [07:55] jdub: (linux-restricted-modules) they're either waiting in NEW, or something happened to the upload [07:56] ah, ok [07:56] I mailed james about it last night === jdub is writing the most excellent troll ever [07:56] he may have replied, I have more to read [07:56] perhaps we need an RM alias or something? [08:02] fabbione: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=468 [08:02] fabbione: that finally explains the mystery! [08:02] fabbione: it makes a difference which VC is currently displayed [08:03] ah [08:03] that's real crap === sivang [~user1@80.179.82.15.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:08] mdz: that hal locking patch was proposed and put into CVS HEAD today, so our version does not yet contain it [08:08] mdz: and it does not support locking by pid [08:09] pitti: does it have some other way of dealing with stale locks? [08:09] mdz: as far as I understood the patch, no [08:09] mdz: if a device is locked, you have to explicitly unlock it again [08:09] hmm [08:09] hmm too [08:09] this is really Hoary material :-/ [08:10] mdz: maybe, but we have to fix this burning stuff for warty [08:10] mdz: I hacked at pmount today, pid-locking is ready [08:10] pitti: maybe nautilus could tell gvm to disable all automounting temporarily [08:11] mdz: I don't know, npmccallum should tell his opinion about this [08:11] mdz: you mean the cd burning app tells gvm? [08:11] pitti: he should be in this channel anyway [08:11] pitti: yes, as a temporary measure [08:12] mdz: then we only need to cross our fingers that the cd burning app is not killed/crashed [08:13] am i still alive? [08:13] yes [08:13] fabbione: What does "alive" mean? [08:14] pitti: i lost connection.. and i tought i did a ping timeout [08:14] mdz: I think its ugly and confusing if you cannot plug in your usb devices while burning a cd [08:14] mdz: this lasts about 15 minutes, at least I don't want to watch this :-) [08:17] mdz: ok.. i am on the ppc... [08:17] mdz: is that uml or something? [08:25] fabbione: no, G4 === npmccallum [~npmccallu@69-162-252-7.ironoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:25] woah, didn't know this channel existed... ;) [08:25] pitti: locking is notoriously complex, and adding locking to existing software _always_ introduces bugs :-/ [08:26] mdz: agreed. But I don't have any better idea [08:26] mdz: do you? [08:26] npmccallum: welcome in the channel :-) [08:27] mdz: we have three weeks for testing left [08:28] pitti: those are three weeks of bug fixing and stabilization, not adding new code that needs to be debugged [08:28] mdz: ok... [08:28] fabbione: xfree86 build-deps are already on there [08:28] mdz: anyway to get access to amd64 too? [08:28] cool [08:28] fabbione: yes, booting it now [08:28] mdz: I know... So do you want to leave cd burning broken? [08:28] mdz: good === truk_away [~trukulo@docsis65-46.menta.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:29] hi, is this a open channel? [08:29] it is, but please keep the signal/noise ratio high [08:31] mdz: do you have ccache installed on that ppc? [08:31] mdz: it might turn to be useful [08:32] mdz: no problem [08:32] fabbione: installing now [08:32] fabbione: I reinstall that machine every few days [08:32] mdz: ok [08:32] ah ok [08:34] mdz: do you preserve /home or do you wipe it away? [08:34] npmccallum : i figured this channel would open someday or another after release :) [08:34] fabbione: I used to restore it [08:35] fabbione: but this takes a long time, since herbert often has kernels on it [08:35] fabbione: I prefer to wipe it [08:35] pitti: I must have just missed the memo :) [08:35] fabbione: amd64 is on port 20222 on the same host [08:35] mdz: ok. [08:35] fabbione: added your keys [08:35] mdz: ok.. working on it.. [08:35] ppc is building [08:40] mdz: can you copy xfree86 source from ppc to amd64? it will save you a few MB of data [08:42] fabbione: they are on the same LAN; you can do it [08:42] fabbione: ok, I put it in /tmp [08:42] I already had it on the machine in my homedir [08:42] mdz: ok thanks [08:42] done.. thanks [08:46] mdz: eheh but i don't like to sneak around in other people machines/homedir [08:47] ok.. i386 is uploading, ppc and amd64 building [08:47] i am off [08:48] bye [08:52] mdz: I have the ubuntu-audio theme package ready, if you'd like to take a look at it [09:05] Should we create a LaptopInstall page on the wiki to detail how various laptop installs went? [09:05] and tricks to get stuff working [09:05] npmccallum: I'd like to have a basic hardware compatibility list in the wiki [09:05] laptops, sound cards, video cards, etc. [09:05] basically, yes, please do [09:06] mdz: do you want me to create a bug for the ubuntu-sounds package? [09:06] npmccallum: please have someone else review it; I am swamped [09:06] mdz: ok [09:06] npmccallum: lamont and thom should be awake [09:07] maybe seb128 as well [09:07] mdz: thanks [09:07] seb128, lamont, thom: ping [09:08] pong ? [09:09] seb128: If you have time, I need someone to review the ubuntu-sounds package [09:09] where is it ? [09:12] do we have access to people.* yet? [09:16] npmccallum : i can help you review it [09:42] npmccallum: people.no-name-yet.com still works fine [09:43] mdz: where are we ssh'ing to these days? chinstrap is not responding for me [09:45] npmccallum: it's there, it's just loaded [09:49] mdz: NOOO [09:49] are you rebooting the ppc?? [09:49] fabbione: I copied the packages off [09:49] fabbione: they are uploading now [09:49] I was already uploading [09:50] crap [09:50] I cannot cook my lunch with that machine on [09:50] and I am starving [09:50] fabbione: how much had you uploaded? [09:50] 2/3 packages.. [09:50] I thought you were gone [09:50] if you write in wiki about laptops, write about hibernate and its actual status in ubuntu [09:50] mdz: i was wathing a movie.. and it just finished [09:51] fabbione: I've uploaded 10 packages [09:51] mdz: did you upload the others somewhere else? [09:51] /~mdz/xfree86 [09:51] machine? [09:51] rookery [09:51] ok [09:51] well [09:51] we need all of it [09:51] it is going [09:52] I only have 256k up, so it takes a long time [09:52] ok [09:52] well ppc is still building [09:52] when it finish can you upload the .deb to roockery too? [09:52] i am off to sleep pretty soon [09:52] fabbione: are there even any amd64- or powerpc-specific fixes? [09:53] mdz: the nv driver is arch all [09:53] s/all/any [09:53] so yes [09:53] i need all of them [09:53] probably no one will even download amd64 or powerpc, honestly [09:53] you should announce the i386 packages [09:53] don't wait for amd64 and powerpc [09:54] if it works for people on i386, I am happy for you to upload it [09:54] it takes hours and hours to get the others [09:55] mdz: all the changes have been tested... it's 10pm and i have been working with this stuff since 6am [09:55] mdz: + the 3 days before [09:55] mdz: i am going to generate the Packages file [09:56] if anybody can be so kind to announce them I will be very happy [09:56] ah great [09:56] there is no dpkg-scanpackages on roockery [10:00] fabbione: want me to do an announce? [10:00] fabbione: i think i'll go back and do some more ati work and announce it separatemy for testing [10:00] separately, even [10:02] fabbione: there will be apt-ftparchive [10:03] daniels: i am creating the archive.. just a sec [10:03] powerpc build is making debs [10:03] deb http://people.no-name-yet.com/~fabbione/X warty main [10:04] mdz: well no problems.. we have i386 up as you said.. [10:04] man, so much arse. i had to get up at ~7:30am, so i decided to stay up through the night. [10:04] and what do I get, but an email saying 'hi guys! have an urgent meeting in sydney, can't make it, hope we can catch up again soon. cheers.' [10:04] #()$U* [10:04] daniels: yes, please make an announcement, and add comments to the bugs affected so that the submitters and CC get them [10:04] mdz: will do [10:05] mdz: there are at least 11 bugs that will be closed [10:05] fabbione: could you please just drop me a changelog in /msg? [10:05] some submitters won't be able to test the fixes [10:05] fabbione: "change several bugs at once" makes it trivial [10:06] mdz: ... how do you do that? [10:06] mdz: that was not the point :-))) [10:06] some submitters won't be able to test the fixes [10:06] ^^^ [10:06] fabbione: so you don't think we should tell them?? [10:06] oh, the link's there, only on certain pages [10:06] daniels: you do a search, and then click the link, checkbox the bugs [10:07] mdz: never mind.. [10:07] daniels: http://people.no-name-yet.com/~fabbione/changelog [10:07] that's the full changelog [10:08] mdz: i think we can tell them, but they won't see "anything" happening, because some of the bugs show up only at first install time [10:10] daniels: do you need anything else? [10:12] fabbione: that's it -- thanks dude [10:12] A 858 Sep 20 Fbio Mendes (4895) . x configuration [10:13] daniels: it looks like the xresprobe problem [10:13] yeah, I'll deal with that one [10:13] yah [10:13] do you mind to take a look? [10:13] ok [10:13] I am off to bed [10:13] good night [10:15] night dude :) sleep well [10:17] fabbione: night === azeem [~mbanck@socks-out.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:26] ah, it's filling up === daniels sleeps. [10:35] hm [10:35] mdz: do you know what the undefined symbol was on ati for powerpc? [10:36] daniels: I pasted the log here [10:36] er [10:36] that was i386 [10:36] ARSE [10:36] powerpc, fabio said it FTBFS [10:36] a stupid typo [10:36] yeah [10:36] paramaters [10:36] but ubuntu19 builds fine on powerpc [10:36] haven't tried to run it yet [10:37] yeah, ubuntu19 doesn't contain my ati crack [10:38] but it's ok, it will build if i learn to type [11:01] fabbione: ok, i've started ubuntu20 locally, just with the ati changes [11:02] fabbione: when I wake up, I'll drop you the diff so we can work together on 20 [11:02] fabbione: the pll thing was just a typo :\ === jdthood [~jdthood@aglu.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stratus [~stratus@200.198.184.97] has joined #ubuntu-devel