[06:21] <m_tthew> fabbione: ahoy
[06:27] <fabbione> hey m_tthew 
[07:04] <mdz> morning
[07:11] <fabbione> mdz: for the ati/flrdkjdjds driver...
[07:11] <fabbione> the script is very simple
[07:11] <fabbione> is the same as the nvidia one
[07:11] <fabbione> skip the kernel part
[07:11] <fabbione> and change the driver names
[07:12] <fabbione> for now let's keep them separate and "hackish"
[07:12] <mdz> ok
[07:12] <fabbione> we will work on a all-in-one integrated solution for hoary
[07:12] <mdz> I figured they could probably be merged into one script without much trouble
[07:12] <mdz> but whatever is easiest for you
[07:12] <fabbione> i was more happy to provide a script from X directly to do so
[07:12] <fabbione> but not for final
[07:13] <fabbione> if you feel more happy to merge them, just go ahead
[07:13] <fabbione> i need to fix X today
[07:13] <mdz> what issues remain before you do your next upload?
[07:13] <fabbione> a bunches
[07:13] <mdz> you said something about 12-16 hours on the list
[07:13] <fabbione> all small things, but they need to be tested
[07:13] <fabbione> because they need to be tested
[07:13] <mdz> we have many interested testers now :-)
[07:14] <fabbione> I did merge already daniels work yesterday
[07:14] <fabbione> so i have a few things for KBD from debian
[07:14] <fabbione> and a bunch of small bug fixes
[07:14] <fabbione> but again.., no blind uploads
[07:14] <fabbione> i want to test as much as i can before
[07:15] <mdz> of course
[07:16] <fabbione> and X doesn't take like 5 minutes to build...
[07:16] <mdz> but you can also upload to /~fabbione/ and ubuntu users will help to test
[07:16] <fabbione> that's just a small detail :-)
[07:16] <fabbione> mdz the 2 major changes have been tested already
[07:16] <fabbione> nv and ati
[07:16] <fabbione> daniels should have tested ati
[07:17] <fabbione> but the minor bug fixes... first i need to make them :-)
[07:17] <fabbione> than test the fixes
[07:17] <mdz> I can test ati as well if i386 binaries are available
[07:17] <fabbione> mdz: i don't have them. I can build them for you
[07:17] <fabbione> but it will take approx 40 minutes
[07:18] <fabbione> will you be around?
[07:18] <mdz> probably yes
[07:18] <mdz> I am planning to stay up late tonight
[07:18] <fabbione> ok
[07:18] <fabbione> building now :-)
[07:18] <fabbione> brb
[07:19] <mdz> my fast i386 is still running unstable
[07:19] <mdz> I meant to migrate it this weekend, but there have been so many bugs and mailing list traffic
[07:20] <fabbione> there is no need to migrate to test the driver
[07:20] <fabbione> or yes..
[07:20] <fabbione> hmmm
[07:20] <mdz> well, I need to migrate it
[07:21] <fabbione> there should be no need
[07:21] <mdz> currently I need to use either my laptop or a chroot to do warty/i386 builds
[07:21] <fabbione> ok
[07:37] <fabbione> almost built
[07:37] <fabbione> ccache is the r0ck5
[07:37] <fabbione> mdz: we should probably announce this channel
[07:38] <fabbione> since we have started using it
[07:38] <mdz> fabbione: are you sure that 1417 and 840 are the same?
[07:38] <mdz> yes, ccache is the r00lz
[07:38] <mdz> xchat won't let me type t-e-h
[07:38] <mdz> yes, we should
[07:39] <mdz> we should also announce the ubuntu-devel mailing list
[07:39] <mdz> since no one seems to use it
[07:39] <mdz> but i am afraid of all this support traffic coming over to -devel
[07:39] <mdz> we should at least get the Canonical guys into this channel, though
[07:40] <fabbione> mdz: I am pretty sure they are the same problem
[07:41] <fabbione> xchat sucks :-) get a real irc client ;)
[07:41] <mdz> fabbione: one was about acceleration, and the other about duplicate events
[07:41] <fabbione> mdz: acceleration is caused also by duplicate events
[07:41] <fabbione> double data = faster mouse
[07:42] <mdz> I suppose it could be
[07:42] <fabbione> mdz: people.nny.com/~fabbione/ati/i386
[07:42] <fabbione> stick them in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers
[07:42] <fabbione> and let us know :-)
[07:42] <fabbione> take a backup of the old drivers
[07:42] <fabbione> just in case
[07:43] <mdz> testing
[07:44] <mdz> eek, failed
[07:44] <fabbione> error?
[07:44] <mdz> segfault
[07:44] <mdz> (II) LoadModule: "ati"
[07:44] <mdz> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/ati_drv.o
[07:44] <mdz> (EE) LoadModule: Module ati does not have a atiModuleData data object.
[07:44] <mdz> (II) UnloadModule: "ati"
[07:44] <mdz> (II) Unloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/ati_drv.o
[07:44] <mdz>    *** If unresolved symbols were reported above, they might not
[07:44] <mdz>    *** be the reason for the server aborting.
[07:44] <mdz> Fatal server error:
[07:44] <mdz> Caught signal 11.  Server aborting
[07:44] <fabbione> is this on the Debian machine?
[07:44] <mdz> no
[07:44] <fabbione> ok.. than wait
[07:45] <fabbione> i will pass you the entire xserver package
[07:45] <mdz> Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu18
[07:45] <mdz> ok
[07:45] <mdz> I have bandwidth
[07:45] <fabbione> there might be more that needs to be installed
[07:45] <fabbione> it is still building the .debs
[07:45] <fabbione> i grabbed the driver from the build dir
[07:46] <mdz> say when
[07:46] <fabbione> in a few minutes
[07:46] <fabbione> it's still building the debugging stuff
[07:48] <fabbione> but if the debug package builds correctly, it means that all the symbols are there
[07:48] <fabbione> so it is just "something else" that is missing and the package needs to be fully upgraded
[07:50] <fabbione> or daniels did a huge fuck up :-)))
[08:01] <fabbione> mdz: people.nny.com/~fabbione/
[08:01] <fabbione> there are 2 .deb.
[08:01] <fabbione> please install both and test again
[08:01] <fabbione> i need to go out for a hour or so
[08:01] <fabbione> bbl
[08:01] <fabbione> ps if it doesn't work lart daniels with a cluestick on the teeth
[08:01] <fabbione> ;)
[08:07] <fabbione> i have to run off
[08:07] <fabbione> ops
[08:53] <mdz> downloading
[09:13] <fabbione> re
[09:13] <fabbione> amazing the bank payed my house twice
[09:15] <fabbione> mdz: any news?
[09:16] <mdz> fabbione: locked my machine
[09:17] <mdz> the X cursor came up on a black screen
[09:17] <mdz> and that was it
[09:18] <mdz> same after a reboot
[09:19] <fabbione> FUCK
[09:20] <mdz> I have a logfile if you want it
[09:20] <mdz> but it doesn't show much
[09:20] <fabbione> is daniel still around?
[09:20] <fabbione> he did the backport and might know how to fix it
[09:20] <fabbione> otherwise i will have to do a full backport
[09:20] <fabbione> i already pinged him
[09:20] <mdz> me too
[09:22] <mdz> downgrading
[09:30] <mdz> I'm back at ubuntu18 for now
[09:33] <Mithrandir> mdz: permission to upload new lsb with AMD64 support? #1354, patch at http://raw.no/patches/lsb_1.3.amd64.diff
[09:34] <mdz> Mithrandir: OK
[09:34] <mdz> Mithrandir: please mention #1354 in the changelog though
[09:34] <Mithrandir> ok
[09:36] <fabbione> mdz: yes.. i will see what the status with daniel if he will show up again
[09:51] <Mithrandir> mdz: permission to upload new libmikmod with AMD64 support? (1409, 1411), patch at http://raw.no/patches/libmikmod_3.1.11-2.amd64.diff ; verified on amd64
[09:54] <mdz> Mithrandir: approved
[09:54] <Mithrandir> thanks, uploaded
[09:55] <jdub> phwoar
[09:55] <jdub> ROCK AND ROLL
[09:55] <jdub> this permanent, or a dynamic meeting spot for something important? :)
[09:56] <fabbione> the former :-)
[09:56] <jdub> yayayayay
[09:56] <jdub> ;)
[09:59] <Mithrandir> .. and there the bug, with patch was filed with Debian.
[10:02] <pitti> mdz: I have to bother you again with #1345; I did not recognize that there was a new patch 07_init.patch which changed debian/hal.init.md5sum
[10:02] <pitti> mdz: please see the changelog entry of the new diff
[10:13] <Mithrandir> mdz: blah, I suck.  1409 wasn't closed by mikmod, they looked like dupes.  Only 1411 was, the other one is against sdl.  Fixing it now.
[10:18] <mdz> pitti: it would be better to keep the init changes separated in a patch
[10:18] <mdz> Mithrandir: yes, I had to look twice at it myself
[10:18] <mdz> the reports were not exactly, er, detailed
[10:20] <Mithrandir> mdz: permission to upload sdl-mixer1.2; amd64 fix, bug #1309, patch at http://raw.no/patches/sdl-mixer1.2_1.2.5-5.amd64.diff ?
[10:21] <mdz> Mithrandir: approved
[10:21] <Mithrandir> thanks, uploaded
[10:32] <pitti> mdz: but then I have to change the patch anyway because hal.init.in was introduced in Ubuntu
[10:32] <pitti> mdz: basically the whole hal.init.in file _is_ the patch, it replaces Debian's hal.init file
[10:32] <pitti> mdz: that's why it does not make much sense to me to have a patch
[11:21] <seb128> hey
[11:25] <jdub> wassuP!
[11:25] <jdub> seberino!
[11:26] <fabbione> hey seb!
[11:30] <seb128> so many chans !
[11:53] <jdub> pitti: Subject: hal 0.2.98 released
[11:53] <jdub> :-)
[11:54] <pitti> jdub: Hopefully it fixes many of 0.2.97's regressions :-/
[11:54] <pitti> jdub: but at least it should now have my security changes adopted
[11:55] <jdub> rocking
[11:55] <seb128> jdub: nobody replied to my mail, but seriously, I want a NEEDINFO state :)
[11:56] <jdub> :-)
[11:56] <jdub> hrm
[11:56] <jdub> wonder if i cna do that
[11:58] <jdub> nah
[11:58] <jdub> bummer
[12:04] <seb128> jdub: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1338
[12:04] <seb128> permission to upload ?
[12:12] <jdub> seb128: done
[12:12] <seb128> thanks
[01:27] <pitti> jdub: https://bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1430
[01:27] <pitti> jdub: can I upload this?
[01:30] <daniels> mdz: i386 or amd64?
[01:30] <daniels> (the amd thing)
[01:30] <fabbione> i386
[01:30] <fabbione> and we cannot even jump to X.org
[01:30] <fabbione> because there are changes in drm/dri
[01:32] <fabbione> daniels: oh btw.. i think i have the fix for Xv on nvidia
[01:33] <fabbione> trying to do a full backport of ATi gave an insane idea of what the problem could be
[01:35] <daniels> what's the problem?
[01:35] <daniels> huh, changes in drm again? i missed that
[01:35] <daniels> oh, not the api -- i get you
[01:35] <daniels> yeah, that backport was a bitch to do
[01:35] <daniels> ahr, that really bites.
[01:36] <daniels> mdz: can you please install -dbg, run with -core under gdb and see if you can hit the segfault?
[01:36] <daniels> XFree86 :1 -ac -logverbose 99999999999 -verbose 999999999999999999 -core, would kick arse
[01:37] <fabbione> daniels: just check the chan logs :-)
[01:37] <fabbione> daniels: i think the bug in Xv is related to the changes in miRagionEqual
[01:37] <fabbione> daniels: but i can't be sure 100%
[01:37] <fabbione> so i need a round of test
[01:37] <daniels> ah, yeah
[01:38] <daniels> all the region stuff changing is a pain in the arse
[01:38] <daniels> and it's different again in kdrive
[01:38] <daniels> guess how much fun making the xorg ddx run on kdrive's dix was, with a totally different fb layer  :P
[01:38] <fabbione> daniels: yes. that's why Branden redefines them per driver
[01:38] <fabbione> no i don't want to guess
[01:38] <fabbione> to much pain
[01:38] <fabbione> :-)
[01:38] <daniels> heh
[01:38] <daniels> um, which channel logs -- #ubuntu-devel?
[01:39] <fabbione> yes
[01:39] <jdub> pitti: do we really want to do that at this stage?
[01:39] <daniels> fabbione: okay
[01:39] <pitti> jdub: Matt says so, see the bug trail. I'm not sure, but it probably avoids much confusion for new users
[01:40] <pitti> jdub: it's major :-/
[01:40] <daniels> mdz: does not have atimoduledata?!?!?!
[01:40] <daniels> sweet mother of god
[01:40] <pitti> jdub: this was my first piece of gnome programming, so I would appreciate a second look at the patch (for me it works well)
[01:41] <daniels> fabbione: um, where's the module now?
[01:41] <jdub> ok, if matt reckons g-s-t should do it, then let's do it ;)
[01:41] <daniels> fabbione: people.nny.com/~fabbione/ati/i386 is empty
[01:41] <jdub> pitti: can you get seb128 to comment on it?
[01:41] <daniels> fabbione: i want to disect the module with nm and shit
[01:41] <fabbione> daniels: yes.. there are the deb packages
[01:41] <pitti> jdub: yep, will try
[01:41] <daniels> The requested URL /~fabbione/ati/i386/ was not found on this server.
[01:41] <fabbione> daniels: a couple of layers up
[01:41] <daniels> ahr
[01:41] <daniels> fabbione: could you please put ati_drv for i386 somewhere?
[01:42] <pitti> seb128: I prepared a patch for https://bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1430 (attached to the bug)
[01:42] <fabbione> daniels: it's building right now....
[01:42] <fabbione> daniels: gimme a few secs
[01:42] <daniels> fabbione: thanks mate
[01:42] <pitti> seb128: since this is my first real gnome code hacking, can you please take a look at it and inform jdub and me?
[01:42] <daniels> i just don't much fancy pulling a whole xserver-xfree86 if I can avoid it ;)
[01:42] <seb128> pitti: not right now, I'm way too much overloaded, sorry
[01:43] <pitti> jdub: ^
[01:43] <seb128> pitti: in about 15min
[01:43] <pitti> seb128: okay, thanks anyway
[01:43] <jdub> oh man, FUCK these dell D600 laptops!
[01:43] <pitti> seb128: ah okay, this is completely sufficient
[01:43] <jdub> pitti: perhaps grab jamesh if he's around
[01:45] <fabbione> daniels: they are up on people
[01:45] <fabbione> daniels: ~fabbione/
[01:46] <daniels> fabbione: thanks dude
[01:46] <fabbione> daniels: no problem
[01:50] <seb128> jdub: http://freedesktop.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/gstreamer/gstreamer/gst/gstelement.c.diff?r1=1.300&r2=1.301
[01:50] <seb128> ^^ fixes the theora streaming reading with gstreamer
[01:50] <seb128> should we consider this patch ?
[01:50] <jdub> i wouldn't put it on high priority, myself
[01:51] <jdub> when are they going to do a new release?
[01:51] <seb128> good question :)
[01:52] <daniels> mdz: does setting the driver to radeon instead of ati help?
[01:54] <thom> jdub: permission for #1286?
[01:55] <jdub> thom: before you upload
[01:55] <jdub> thom: bother craige about his camera
[01:55] <jdub> i think it needs some fdi loving
[01:56] <thom> jdub: ACK
[02:00] <fabbione> daniels: i am more and more convinced i fixed the Xv problem
[02:00] <fabbione> daniels: on one box xvinfo was not even giving output
[02:00] <fabbione> daniels: now it does :-)
[02:00] <jdub> thanks thom :-)
[02:02] <fabbione> ok time to test it
[02:02] <fabbione> bbl
[02:03] <daniels> fabbione: sweet :) nice work dude
[02:04] <daniels> 000003d4 g     O .data  0000000c atiModuleData
[02:04] <daniels> how the bloody hell can it be undefined?
[02:04] <daniels> it's unreproducible here
[02:06] <daniels> mdz: works just fine here with both ati_drv and radeon_drv; could you please get the ati files from people.nny.com/~fabbione and test?
[02:10] <fabbione> daniels: ok.. Xv working on a box where it was not working before
[02:10] <fabbione> daniels: i wonder if that fixes all the other crap
[02:10] <daniels> fabbione: sensational!
[02:10] <daniels> fabbione: what cards are the problems occurring on?
[02:10] <thom> jdub: ok, will update the patch to include craige's camera too
[02:10] <daniels> i have a gf2 here, i think
[02:10] <thom> daniels: oi, what's happened to freedesktop.org?
[02:11] <daniels> thom: given clee just dropped off the face of the earth wrt opn (fooish), i can't talk to oftc ... i suspect pdx is having Issues
[02:11] <daniels> should work OK now, though
[02:11] <daniels> i suspect half the world is invisible to it
[02:11] <daniels> try tunneling through amnesiac?
[02:11] <fabbione> this is a RIVA TNT2
[02:11] <fabbione> i am preparing a driver to send around for test
[02:12] <daniels> ok, i can test on the gf2 later
[02:12] <daniels> i also have sis, mga, r128, and a couple of random cards
[02:14] <pitti> jdub: jamesh reviewed, found some small issues (memory leak), I will prepare an updated patch
[02:14] <pitti> jdub: in the meantime I fixed https://bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1448
[02:14] <pitti> jdub: ugly, but very unintrusive; can I get permission?
[02:14] <pitti> seb128: jamesh already reviewed #1430, don't bother
[02:14] <seb128> ok, thanks
[02:14] <thom> jdub: updated patch to 1286
[02:15] <jdub> thom: go for it
[02:15] <jdub> oh
[02:15] <jdub> sorry
[02:15] <jdub> will comment
[02:15] <jdub> stupid different urls
[02:15] <fabbione> daniels: can i remove the drivers from ~/fabbione ?
[02:15] <pitti> jdub: my net connection broke down for a few minutes. Did I miss any reply for #1448?
[02:16] <fabbione> daniels: and btw.. they are the same i gave to Mdz
[02:16] <daniels> fabbione: yeah, I have them locally
[02:16] <daniels> fabbione: that's really weird though -- using ubuntu18, i have no problem with either ati or radeon
[02:16] <jdub> argh
[02:16] <fabbione> daniels: he first tried ubuntu18 + drivers
[02:16] <fabbione> daniels: than ubuntu19
[02:16] <daniels> mdz: what sort of card do you have?
[02:18] <daniels> mdz: i need a log of XFree86 :1 -logverbose 99999999999999999 -verbose 9999999999999999999 -ac
[02:18] <daniels> that should catch all the whacky output
[02:18] <jdub> pitti: that's the one i just confirmed
[02:18] <pitti> jdub: thx
[02:18] <jdub> pitti: i confirm in bz comments, not on irc :)
[02:25] <pitti> Hi lamont!
[02:25] <lamont> hi pitti
[02:34] <fabbione> guys i need someone to build X for me on ppc and amd64 
[02:35] <Mithrandir> fabbione: sure.  Source?
[02:36] <fabbione> Mithrandir: uploading them right now..
[02:37] <Mithrandir> prod me when you're done.
[02:40] <fabbione> Mithrandir: people.nny.com/~fabbione/
[02:40] <fabbione> Mithrandir: ubuntu19
[02:40] <fabbione> can you build also ppc?
[02:41] <Mithrandir> no, sorry, I don't have any PPC set up.
[02:41] <fabbione> lamont: do you think you can build it on any of our buildd, WITHOUT getting it in the archive? ;)
[02:49] <Mithrandir> fabbione: 5.4G should be enough for the build?
[02:50] <fabbione> Mithrandir: -B -b and it will go down to 3.2Gb
[02:51] <fabbione> I only need the xserver-xfree86_ package
[02:51] <fabbione> nothing more than that
[02:51] <Mithrandir> ok
[02:53] <Mithrandir> building
[02:53] <fabbione> thanks :-))
[02:54] <Mithrandir> I should set up my G3 at home, it's not _that_ fast, but it should be useful to debug stuff
[03:03] <fabbione> yeah i start to feel the need of a ppc and an amd64
[03:04] <Mithrandir> amd64 systems are really nice
[03:04] <fabbione> Mithrandir: ENOMONEY for a loooong shile
[03:04] <fabbione> while
[03:04] <Mithrandir> yeah, sucks
[03:04] <pitti> jdub: I updated the patch for https://bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1430 according to jamesh's comments
[03:05] <jdub> approved
[03:05] <jdub> commented, etc.
[03:09] <pitti> jdub: thx
[03:09] <jdub> this is getting *very* busy
[03:09] <jdub> lots of people
[03:09] <jdub> lots of mail
[03:13] <fabbione> jdub: permission to upload Xfree86 for:
[03:14] <fabbione> #1390, #1492, #929, #1361, #1471, #1425, #1417, #1339, #1117
[03:14] <Mithrandir> heh, xedit is scriptable in lisp
[03:14] <fabbione> + a bunch of small bug fixes (not all reported via bugzilla)
[03:15] <jdub> argh
[03:15] <jdub> fabbione: i'm going to be slightly loose on this one
[03:16] <jdub> fabbione: given that we have some weeks to go
[03:16] <jdub> fabbione: and i trust you've tested :)
[03:16] <jdub> fabbione: please upload
[03:16] <fabbione> jdub: excuses :-))))
[03:16] <fabbione> ok
[03:16] <jdub> indeed ;)
[03:16] <fabbione> i am waiting daniel/mdz to check the ati driver
[03:16] <fabbione> otherwise i will ust drop those bits
[03:18] <fabbione> jdub: you can add 1504 and 1506 to the list ;)
[03:23] <seb128> jdub: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1397 <- NOTABUG ?
[03:24] <jdub> seb128: NOTABUG :)
[03:24] <seb128> ok :)
[03:42] <Mithrandir> fabbione: http://raw.no/tmp/xf/
[03:43] <fabbione> thanks
[03:43] <Mithrandir> it's downloading all the amd64 .debs now
[03:43] <Mithrandir> it takes a little while.. my line sucks, it seems
[03:44] <fabbione> Mithrandir: the server was more than enough
[03:45] <Mithrandir> it's there now
[03:51] <fabbione> thanks
[03:54] <fabbione> Mithrandir: you can wipe the .deb away
[03:54] <fabbione> thanks a lot
[03:55] <Mithrandir> done
[03:55] <Mithrandir> and np
[03:56] <fabbione> mdz: you alive?
[04:00] <lamont> fabbione: so if it's really not supposed to go into the archive, is that because it's debugging?  in which case shouldn't it be -6unbuntu18.1?
[04:00] <lamont> so that 19 is still new when it hits the street?
[04:01] <fabbione> lamont: i only need a driver out of it.. yeah well the version concept is correct
[04:01] <fabbione> lamont: but nobody is using ubuntu19
[04:01] <fabbione> i am only extracting the nv driver
[04:01] <fabbione> and traashing the debs
[04:01] <fabbione> that's all i need atm
[04:02] <fabbione> lamont: do you think you can build ppc please?
[04:02] <lamont> email me a pointer to the sources, and I'll get it built
[04:02] <fabbione> lamont: people.nny.com/~fabbione/
[04:02] <lamont> fwiw, you're less likely to get the ability to admin the chroot than you are to get a chroot...
[04:03] <fabbione> lamont: honestly.. i don't mind.. really.. i just don't want to spend half day going around asking people to build X
[04:03] <fabbione> lamont: if someone can take care of updating the chroot once in a while it's perfect for me
[04:03] <lamont> 3.2MB of DIFF???  sheesh
[04:04] <fabbione> when i write "i am dealing to maintain the chroot" is only to remove extra work load from other people
[04:04] <fabbione> not becuase i want to look cool or becuase i feel privileged ;)
[04:04] <thom> jdub: is -firefox a release goal now?
[04:04] <lamont> heh
[04:04] <lamont> fabbione: just ppc, or do you need amd64 as well?
[04:05] <jdub> thom: yes
[04:05] <fabbione> lamont: only ppc
[04:05] <fabbione> lamont: Mithrandir did amd64
[04:05] <thom> jdub: so i should be ok to integrate and upload PR1?
[04:05] <jdub> yes please!
[04:06] <fabbione> lamont: and please upload only xserver-xfree86_*. I don't need anything else.
[04:06] <fabbione> s/upload/put somewhere/
[04:12] <lamont> fabbione: give me about 90 minutes or so,iirc
[04:13] <fabbione> lamont: super! it's ok for me
[04:14] <fabbione> UHA UHA UHA the Xv extension fix seems to be working
[04:15] <fabbione> *ONLY* 4 days of debugging
[04:18] <lamont> fabbione: you're not debugging features into existance are you???? :-)
[04:20] <thom> jdub: tomboy looks pretty cool - much funkier than the gnome stickies thing
[04:21] <jdub> yeah
[04:21] <jdub> might talk to tseng about packaging it
[04:21] <seb128> jdub: what do you think about droping gst0.6 ?
[04:21] <jdub> seb128: probably a good idea
[04:22] <seb128> ok, I should mail ubuntu-devel about this ?
[04:22] <jdub> is it controversial? :)
[04:22] <jdub> seems like just nuking a bunch of stuff
[04:24] <fabbione> lamont: no no.. it was broken.
[04:24] <jdub> thom: there you go ;)
[04:24] <fabbione> lamont: see: #269025, #268759, #271235, #270228, #271071
[04:24] <fabbione> probably one or two more...
[04:24] <fabbione> those are the ones i have written down
[04:25] <thom> who is tseng?
[04:25] <fabbione> let's hope is not John ;)
[04:26] <Mithrandir> some gentoo developer
[04:26] <Mithrandir> Brandon Hale <tseng@gentoo.org>, I'd guess
[04:27] <jdub> thom: the dude who's doing the mono repo
[04:27] <thom> ahr
[04:27] <fabbione> oh
[04:32] <daniels> tseng's a really cool guy
[04:32] <daniels> he's a gentoo toolchain guy who's really hyped about ubuntu
[04:32] <daniels> and he's doing our mono stuff
[04:32] <daniels> i subverted him :)
[04:34] <fabbione> daniels: tell me something nice :-)
[04:34] <fabbione> about the ati driver ;)
[04:34] <daniels> heh
[04:34] <daniels> it works for me
[04:34] <daniels> that's really nice :P
[04:34] <fabbione> i guess i will have to test it here...
[04:35] <daniels> if you could, that would be nice
[04:35] <daniels> want to know if mdz is on speed or if it's actually stuffed
[04:38] <fabbione> daniels: can you confirm atimisc is at 6.5.5 ?
[04:39] <daniels> fabbione: i could give you the md5sum
[04:39] <daniels> but, not having an atimisc card ...
[04:40] <fabbione> did you dump the driver version?
[04:40] <daniels> bump?
[04:41] <fabbione> yes bump sorry
[04:41] <daniels> ati_drv is 6.5.5
[04:41] <fabbione> yeah
[04:41] <daniels> didn't bump the driver version, come to think of it
[04:41] <fabbione> it works here...
[04:41] <daniels> would make sense to do so
[04:41] <daniels> right
[04:41] <fabbione> apparently :-)
[04:41] <daniels> RESOLVED/MINDALTERINGDRUGS :)
[04:41] <daniels> we need a KEEPSIPPING resolution
[04:44] <fabbione> daniels: would help if i give a -dbg xserver to mdz?
[04:45] <daniels> fabbione: yeah, it would probably eliminate the problem, which seems to be that the loader is COMPLETE ARSE (news at eleven)
[04:48] <fabbione> daniels: Subject: NVideo GeForce4 440                                                                                                      
[04:48] <fabbione> i guess that's the usual xresprobe problem
[04:48] <daniels> which list?
[04:48] <fabbione> -users
[04:48] <daniels> got it
[04:49] <daniels> oh, arse :\
[04:49] <daniels> yeah, i think we can add this to the usual nv backport arse
[04:51] <daniels> if we can't get the panel res from the logs with the new driver, it's not going to display right regardless of what we do
[04:51] <daniels> which makes me feel better :)
[04:52] <fabbione> the new driver has a lot of new code for panel detection
[04:52] <fabbione> either it will work better or X will ask the question
[04:52] <daniels> yeah, I saw that
[04:53] <daniels> I was looking through the driver to check out the panel resolution crack to see if it could be trivially added
[04:53] <daniels> but I was looking at xorg HEAD, so I realied it already was, and cheered up immensely
[04:53] <daniels> fixed + not my problem == gold ;)
[04:54] <fabbione> ehehe
[05:55] <jdub> seb128: had you planned to upgrade pygtk, or should i file a bug?
[05:55] <seb128> we are supposed to upgrade ?
[05:55] <seb128> they failed to release 2.4 at time, I thought we were going with 2.2 
[05:56] <jdub> one sec
[05:57] <jdub> seb128: one option is to talk to jamesh
[05:57] <jdub> jdahlin just suggested that
[05:58] <seb128> talk about what ?
[05:58] <jdub> pygtk
[05:58] <seb128> yes, but you want 2.3 in warty ?
[05:59] <jdub> 2.4
[05:59] <jdub> if jdahlin or jamesh can do it
[05:59] <seb128> hum, they have released 2.4 now ?
[05:59] <seb128> I've talked with jdahlin like 2 days ago
[06:00] <seb128> jdub: I'll sort that with jdahlin & jamesh and let you know
[06:01] <jdub> thanks
[06:03] <fabbione> daniels: i am reverting the ATI driver for ubuntu19
[06:03] <fabbione> daniels: it's a FTBFS on ppc
[06:05] <jdub> seb128: jdahlin is scared of you.
[06:05] <seb128> ah ah
[06:06] <seb128> jdub: /j #pygtk dude, so we can sort this out now :p
[06:06] <jdub> i'm in #twisted ;)
[06:07] <seb128> jdub: BTW, ok for an upload of trashapplet 0.3 ? Basically all the canonical patches included and some translation updates
[06:07] <jdub> sure
[07:08] <mdz> morning
[07:09] <seb128> hello mdz 
[07:10] <mdz> daniels, fabbione: the card is a radeon mobility M7
[07:10] <fabbione>  /me kicks Xv
[07:10] <fabbione> mdz: doh! i have the same here!
[07:10] <fabbione> and it works
[07:11] <fabbione> anyway i reverted the ati patches for ubuntu19
[07:11] <fabbione> they are a FTBFS on ppc
[07:12] <fabbione> mdz: http://people.no-name-yet.com/~fabbione/changelog
[07:12] <fabbione> am I allowed to upload? ;)
[07:13] <fabbione> anyway the Xv extensions for nv are almost working
[07:14] <pitti> mdz: good morning!
[07:14] <fabbione> not for everybody yet.. tought.. still better than now
[07:14] <mdz> pitti: morning
[07:14] <mdz> fabbione: so...many...changes :-)
[07:15] <fabbione> mdz: so many bugs to fix....
[07:15] <fabbione> :-)
[07:16] <mdz> gah
[07:16] <jdub> morning mdz :)
[07:16] <mdz> the Closes: # are a mixture of Debian bugs and Ubuntu bugs
[07:16] <pitti> mdz: yes, I'm afraid I sent you a shipload of mails to dig through. Sorry :-/
[07:16] <fabbione> mdz: the Debian ones are a copy and paste from debian trunk
[07:16] <jdub> now mdz's up, i think i can safely go to bed ;)
[07:16] <fabbione> mdz: the others are ubuntu specific
[07:16] <pitti> jdub: sleep well!
[07:16] <jdub> pitti: some interesting things happening on hal list
[07:16] <fabbione> mdz: nothing i can do about it without resync the 1000 bugs on X
[07:17] <jdub> mdz: bz has been fucking crazy
[07:17] <pitti> jdub: you mean utoia?
[07:17] <pitti> jdub: utopia
[07:17] <mdz> fabbione: my preference would be to upload it to /~fabbione/ and ask people to test it
[07:17] <jdub> pitti: hal
[07:17] <mdz> fabbione: especially those who encountered the bugs
[07:17] <pitti> jdub: hmm, I'm not subscribed to it. I take a look into the archves
[07:18] <pitti> jdub: interestingly, today a patch went in which supports device locking
[07:18] <pitti> jdub: I'm currently working at a similar locking mechanism for pmount
[07:18] <jdub> mmm
[07:18] <fabbione> mdz: than please someone provides me access to amd64 and ppc to build the packages. I already did a request to Mark this morning
[07:19] <fabbione> mdz: i can't keep going around asking people to build X
[07:19] <fabbione> it's not something people *like* to do
[07:22] <daniels> fabbione: argh! how?
[07:22] <fabbione> missing simbol
[07:23] <fabbione> mdz: ok I am compiling (again) and put the stuff on people.
[07:23] <daniels> fabbione: which symbol?
[07:24] <fabbione> daniels: check the backlog.. i can't remember.
[07:24] <fabbione> something like RADEONPPL*
[07:24] <mdz> fabbione: send me an ssh public key
[07:25] <fabbione> mdz: done..
[07:29] <daniels> fabbione: oh, right
[07:29] <daniels> i can get you a fix in a couple of hours
[07:29] <fabbione> daniels: ubuntu20 stuff.
[07:30] <fabbione> it needs to be tested
[07:30] <daniels> good choice
[07:30] <fabbione> anyway ubuntu19 is going on people
[07:30] <fabbione> we have no green light
[07:30] <fabbione> too many changes
[07:31] <jdub> i'm going to sleep for like four hours
[07:31] <jdub> so it can't build up
[07:32] <pitti> mdz, even
[07:34] <fabbione> i do.. on a regular base
[07:34] <fabbione> ops
[07:54] <mdz> pitti: upload approvals should go to both me and jdub
[07:54] <mdz> pitti: because at least one of us will be awake
[07:54] <mdz> no one should block on upload approval
[07:55] <pitti> mdz: I thought you wanted to review it since you had some reservations
[07:55] <jdub> mdz: what are these -3 kernels mentioned on the wiki?
[07:55] <mdz> pitti: #1345 approved
[07:55] <mdz> jdub: (linux-restricted-modules) they're either waiting in NEW, or something happened to the upload
[07:56] <jdub> ah, ok
[07:56] <mdz> I mailed  james about it last night
[07:56] <mdz> he may have replied, I have more to read
[07:56] <jdub> perhaps we need an RM alias or something?
[08:02] <mdz> fabbione: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=468
[08:02] <mdz> fabbione: that finally explains the mystery!
[08:02] <mdz> fabbione: it makes a difference which VC is currently displayed
[08:03] <fabbione> ah
[08:03] <fabbione> that's real crap
[08:08] <pitti> mdz: that hal locking patch was proposed and put into CVS HEAD today, so our version does not yet contain it
[08:08] <pitti> mdz: and it does not support locking by pid
[08:09] <mdz> pitti: does it have some other way of dealing with stale locks?
[08:09] <pitti> mdz: as far as I understood the patch, no
[08:09] <pitti> mdz: if a device is locked, you have to explicitly unlock it again
[08:09] <mdz> hmm
[08:09] <pitti> hmm too
[08:09] <mdz> this is really Hoary material :-/
[08:10] <pitti> mdz: maybe, but we have to fix this burning stuff for warty
[08:10] <pitti> mdz: I hacked at pmount today, pid-locking is ready
[08:10] <mdz> pitti: maybe nautilus could tell gvm to disable all automounting temporarily
[08:11] <pitti> mdz: I don't know, npmccallum should tell his opinion about this
[08:11] <pitti> mdz: you mean the cd burning app tells gvm?
[08:11] <mdz> pitti: he should be in this channel anyway
[08:11] <mdz> pitti: yes, as a temporary measure
[08:12] <pitti> mdz: then we only need to cross our fingers that the cd burning app is not killed/crashed
[08:13] <fabbione> am i still alive?
[08:13] <mdz> yes
[08:13] <pitti> fabbione: <philosophy>What does "alive" mean?</philosophy>
[08:14] <fabbione> pitti: i lost connection.. and i tought i did a ping timeout
[08:14] <pitti> mdz: I think its ugly and confusing if you cannot plug in your usb devices while burning a cd
[08:14] <pitti> mdz: this lasts about 15 minutes, at least I don't want to watch this :-)
[08:17] <fabbione> mdz: ok.. i am on the ppc...
[08:17] <fabbione> mdz: is that uml or something?
[08:25] <mdz> fabbione: no, G4
[08:25] <npmccallum> woah, didn't know this channel existed... ;)
[08:25] <mdz> pitti: locking is notoriously complex, and adding locking to existing software _always_ introduces bugs :-/
[08:26] <pitti> mdz: agreed. But I don't have any better idea
[08:26] <pitti> mdz: do you?
[08:26] <pitti> npmccallum: welcome in the channel :-)
[08:27] <pitti> mdz: we have three weeks for testing left
[08:28] <mdz> pitti: those are three weeks of bug fixing and stabilization, not adding new code that needs to be debugged
[08:28] <fabbione> mdz: ok...
[08:28] <mdz> fabbione: xfree86 build-deps are already on there
[08:28] <fabbione> mdz: anyway to get access to amd64 too?
[08:28] <fabbione> cool
[08:28] <mdz> fabbione: yes, booting it now
[08:28] <pitti> mdz: I know... So do you want to leave cd burning broken?
[08:28] <fabbione> mdz: good
[08:29] <truk_away> hi, is this a open channel?
[08:29] <mdz> it is, but please keep the signal/noise ratio high
[08:31] <fabbione> mdz: do you have ccache installed on that ppc?
[08:31] <fabbione> mdz: it might turn to be useful
[08:32] <truk_away> mdz: no problem
[08:32] <mdz> fabbione: installing now
[08:32] <mdz> fabbione: I reinstall that machine every few days
[08:32] <fabbione> mdz: ok
[08:32] <fabbione> ah ok
[08:34] <fabbione> mdz: do you preserve /home or do you wipe it away?
[08:34] <sivang> npmccallum : i figured this channel would open someday or another after release :)
[08:34] <mdz> fabbione: I used to restore it
[08:35] <mdz> fabbione: but this takes a long time, since herbert often has kernels on it
[08:35] <mdz> fabbione: I prefer to wipe it
[08:35] <npmccallum> pitti: I must have just missed the memo :)
[08:35] <mdz> fabbione: amd64 is on port 20222 on the same host
[08:35] <fabbione> mdz: ok.
[08:35] <mdz> fabbione: added your keys
[08:35] <fabbione> mdz: ok.. working on it..
[08:35] <fabbione> ppc is building
[08:40] <fabbione> mdz: can you copy xfree86 source from ppc to amd64? it will save you a few MB of data
[08:42] <mdz> fabbione: they are on the same LAN; you can do it
[08:42] <mdz> fabbione: ok, I put it in /tmp
[08:42] <mdz> I already had it on the machine in my homedir
[08:42] <fabbione> mdz: ok thanks
[08:42] <fabbione> done.. thanks
[08:46] <fabbione> mdz: eheh but i don't like to sneak around in other people machines/homedir
[08:47] <fabbione> ok.. i386 is uploading, ppc and amd64 building
[08:47] <fabbione> i am off
[08:48] <mdz> bye
[08:52] <npmccallum> mdz: I have the ubuntu-audio theme package ready, if you'd like to take a look at it
[09:05] <npmccallum> Should we create a LaptopInstall page on the wiki to detail how various laptop installs went?
[09:05] <npmccallum> and tricks to get stuff working
[09:05] <mdz> npmccallum: I'd like to have a basic hardware compatibility list in the wiki
[09:05] <mdz> laptops, sound cards, video cards, etc.
[09:05] <mdz> basically, yes, please do
[09:06] <npmccallum> mdz: do you want me to create a bug for the ubuntu-sounds package?
[09:06] <mdz> npmccallum: please have someone else review it; I am swamped
[09:06] <npmccallum> mdz: ok
[09:06] <mdz> npmccallum: lamont and thom should be awake
[09:07] <mdz> maybe seb128 as well
[09:07] <npmccallum> mdz: thanks
[09:07] <npmccallum> seb128, lamont, thom: ping
[09:08] <seb128> pong ?
[09:09] <npmccallum> seb128: If you have time, I need someone to review the ubuntu-sounds package
[09:09] <seb128> where is it ?
[09:12] <npmccallum> do we have access to people.* yet?
[09:16] <sivang> npmccallum : i can help you review it
[09:42] <mdz> npmccallum: people.no-name-yet.com still works fine
[09:43] <npmccallum> mdz: where are we ssh'ing to these days? chinstrap is not responding for me
[09:45] <mdz> npmccallum: it's there, it's just loaded
[09:49] <fabbione> mdz: NOOO
[09:49] <fabbione> are you rebooting the ppc??
[09:49] <mdz> fabbione: I copied the packages off
[09:49] <mdz> fabbione: they are uploading now
[09:49] <fabbione> I was already uploading
[09:50] <mdz> crap
[09:50] <mdz> I cannot cook my lunch with that machine on
[09:50] <mdz> and I am starving
[09:50] <mdz> fabbione: how much had you uploaded?
[09:50] <fabbione> 2/3 packages..
[09:50] <mdz> I thought you were gone
[09:50] <truk_away> if you write in wiki about laptops, write about hibernate and its actual status in ubuntu
[09:50] <fabbione> mdz: i was wathing a movie.. and it just finished
[09:51] <mdz> fabbione: I've uploaded 10 packages
[09:51] <fabbione> mdz: did you upload the others somewhere else?
[09:51] <mdz>  /~mdz/xfree86
[09:51] <fabbione> machine?
[09:51] <mdz> rookery
[09:51] <fabbione> ok
[09:51] <fabbione> well
[09:51] <fabbione> we need all of it
[09:51] <mdz> it is going
[09:52] <mdz> I only have 256k up, so it takes a long time
[09:52] <fabbione> ok
[09:52] <fabbione> well ppc is still building
[09:52] <fabbione> when it finish can you upload the .deb to roockery too?
[09:52] <fabbione> i am off to sleep pretty soon
[09:52] <mdz> fabbione: are there even any amd64- or powerpc-specific fixes?
[09:53] <fabbione> mdz: the nv driver is arch all
[09:53] <fabbione> s/all/any
[09:53] <fabbione> so yes
[09:53] <fabbione> i need all of them
[09:53] <mdz> probably no one will even download amd64 or powerpc, honestly
[09:53] <mdz> you should announce the i386 packages
[09:53] <mdz> don't wait for amd64 and powerpc
[09:54] <mdz> if it works for people on i386, I am happy for you to upload it
[09:54] <mdz> it takes hours and hours to get the others
[09:55] <fabbione> mdz: all the changes have been tested... it's 10pm and i have been working with this stuff since 6am
[09:55] <fabbione> mdz: + the 3 days before
[09:55] <fabbione> mdz: i am going to generate the Packages file
[09:56] <fabbione> if anybody can be so kind to announce them I will be very happy
[09:56] <fabbione> ah great
[09:56] <fabbione> there is no dpkg-scanpackages on roockery
[10:00] <daniels> fabbione: want me to do an announce?
[10:00] <daniels> fabbione: i think i'll go back and do some more ati work and announce it separatemy for testing
[10:00] <daniels> separately, even
[10:02] <mdz> fabbione: there will be apt-ftparchive
[10:03] <fabbione> daniels: i am creating the archive.. just a sec
[10:03] <mdz> powerpc build is making debs
[10:03] <fabbione> deb http://people.no-name-yet.com/~fabbione/X warty main
[10:04] <fabbione> mdz: well no problems.. we have i386 up as you said..
[10:04] <daniels> man, so much arse. i had to get up at ~7:30am, so i decided to stay up through the night.
[10:04] <daniels> and what do I get, but an email saying 'hi guys! have an urgent meeting in sydney, can't make it, hope we can catch up again soon. cheers.'
[10:04] <daniels> #()$U*
[10:04] <mdz> daniels: yes, please make an announcement, and add comments to the bugs affected so that the submitters and CC get them
[10:04] <daniels> mdz: will do
[10:05] <fabbione> mdz: there are at least 11 bugs that will be closed
[10:05] <daniels> fabbione: could you please just drop me a changelog in /msg?
[10:05] <fabbione> some submitters won't be able to test the fixes
[10:05] <mdz> fabbione: "change several bugs at once" makes it trivial
[10:06] <daniels> mdz: ... how do you do that?
[10:06] <fabbione> mdz: that was not the point :-)))
 some submitters won't be able to test the fixes
[10:06] <fabbione> ^^^
[10:06] <mdz> fabbione: so you don't think we should tell them??
[10:06] <daniels> oh, the link's there, only on certain pages
[10:06] <mdz> daniels: you do a search, and then click the link, checkbox the bugs
[10:07] <fabbione> mdz: never mind.. 
[10:07] <fabbione> daniels: http://people.no-name-yet.com/~fabbione/changelog
[10:07] <fabbione> that's the full changelog
[10:08] <fabbione> mdz: i think we can tell them, but they won't see "anything" happening, because some of the bugs show up only at first install time
[10:10] <fabbione> daniels: do you need anything else?
[10:12] <daniels> fabbione: that's it -- thanks dude
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[10:13] <fabbione> daniels: it looks like the xresprobe problem
[10:13] <daniels> yeah, I'll deal with that one
[10:13] <daniels> yah
[10:13] <fabbione> do you mind to take a look?
[10:13] <fabbione> ok
[10:13] <fabbione> I am off to bed
[10:13] <fabbione> good night
[10:15] <daniels> night dude :) sleep well
[10:17] <mdz> fabbione: night
[10:26] <azeem> ah, it's filling up
[10:35] <daniels> hm
[10:35] <daniels> mdz: do you know what the undefined symbol was on ati for powerpc?
[10:36] <mdz> daniels: I pasted the log here
[10:36] <mdz> er
[10:36] <mdz> that was i386
[10:36] <daniels> ARSE
[10:36] <mdz> powerpc, fabio said it FTBFS
[10:36] <daniels> a stupid typo
[10:36] <daniels> yeah
[10:36] <daniels> paramaters
[10:36] <mdz> but ubuntu19 builds fine on powerpc
[10:36] <mdz> haven't tried to run it yet
[10:37] <daniels> yeah, ubuntu19 doesn't contain my ati crack
[10:38] <daniels> but it's ok, it will build if i learn to type
[11:01] <daniels> fabbione: ok, i've started ubuntu20 locally, just with the ati changes
[11:02] <daniels> fabbione: when I wake up, I'll drop you the diff so we can work together on 20
[11:02] <daniels> fabbione: the pll thing was just a typo :\