[12:01] <Deft> jvic, what else do you have that it should show as well as your hard disk?
[12:01] <jvic> Netwolf: marillat is a Debian repository for mplayer packages
[12:03] <Wsquared> Thanks folks, switching to oss in mplayer worked. Next I'll try totem-xine.
[12:03] <jvic> Deft: i've got 4 primary partitions, and 2 extended partitions... shouldn't it list them? Also, i've got a free space on my disk that i've setup for Ubuntu to use (allocate a new partition there). But it didn't list the free space too... in other words, i don't know how to install Ubuntu without having to erase my entire disk.
[12:05] <bolivar> jvic: durring the install when it searches your drive and it asks if you want to write the partitions say no....youll 'should' then have the option to see everything
[12:05] <bolivar> during that is
[12:06] <theantix> jvic, I had the exact same problem (https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1253) -- are you sure your partitions are okay?  Can you check in parted to see if parted can see them?
[12:06] <Wsquared> For the totem-xine fans: Synaptic wants to delete totem-gstreamer in order to install totem-xine.  What's up with that? 
[12:06] <tseng> Wsquared: they block each other for obvious reasons
[12:06] <phlaegel> Wsquared: you can only use one of the totem backends
[12:07] <jvic> theantix: coincidentally, before trying to install Ubuntu, i tried to use Qtparted, but i can't.. when i select my HD, it just exists.
[12:07] <phlaegel> they do the same thing
[12:07] <jmhodges> ok..
[12:07] <jmhodges> i've now tried 3 iso d/ls
[12:07] <jmhodges> and md5 checked the last one
[12:07] <jmhodges> it matched
[12:07] <jmhodges> but bsdutils is still corrupted on the iso
[12:08] <jmhodges> argh.
[12:08] <Wsquared> OK--I didn't know what totem-gstreamer was!
[12:08] <Deft> jmhodges, if you are sure that's where the problem is, you could mount the iso and change it, but if the md5s match, that would be very wierd
[12:09] <bolivar> jmhodges: you could try a daily release instead
[12:09] <jvic> theantix: so, how did you discovered/solutioned the problem? Because it seems it's the same problem
[12:10] <bolivar> when i installed i used the daily from the 16th
[12:10] <bolivar> http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current/
[12:10] <theantix> jvic, I got my data off and started again from scratch -- ugly solution, but that's what I had to do
[12:12] <jvic> theantix: oh well... guess i won't be installing Ubuntu soon :(
[12:13] <jvic> theantix: damn it... do you have any idea what might have caused the problem?
[12:13] <theantix> if your partition table is invalid, you'll need to fix it eventually before you suffer data loss
[12:14] <jvic> theantix: how did you find out your partition table is invalid?
[12:14] <Wsquared> When I installed totem-xine, the install got to the text window, and printed the usual messages about setting up...
[12:14] <theantix> jvic, not entirely sure but I think it was something to do with resizing ntfs with the mandrake installer (should have used qtparted instead I know now)
[12:14] <jmhodges> bolivar: ok :-/
[12:15] <bolivar> sorry man, only thing that came to mind
[12:15] <Wsquared> ... but after it printed "Setting up totem-xine (0.99.15.1-1) ...", it printed the following message 3 times:** (process:27944): CRITICAL **: file eggdesktopentries.c: line 2226 (egg_desktop_entries_add_group): assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[12:16] <Deft> that's new, is that after running it you mean?
[12:16] <matthewjs> i cant get totem to play dvds, is anyone else having problems?
[12:17] <Deft> matthewjs, run totem from a shell
[12:17] <matthewjs> i did
[12:17] <Deft> what did it say?
[12:17] <Wsquared> Deft: Was that for me?  This message occurs in the "Terminal Output" window of Synaptic, after it downloads the files.
[12:20] <matthewjs> Deft: Error invoking "dvdnav_get_next_block": Error reading from DVD..
[12:20] <phlaegel> matthewjs: did you install libdvdcss2?
[12:20] <matthewjs> phlaegel: no
[12:20] <matthewjs> phlaegel: should i?
[12:20] <phlaegel> yes, you can't decrypt dvds without it.
[12:22] <jvic> theantix: how did you find out your partition table is invalid?
[12:22] <matthewjs> phlaegel: its not in apt-get?
[12:22] <leonel> how can I install  mod_perl or mod_perl2  with apt-get ?
[12:22] <phlaegel> matthewjs: it will be if you add the marillat source: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[12:23] <phlaegel> for all your not-really-legal package needs...
[12:23] <theantix> jvic, I determined that the partitions were overlapping, and thus invalid
[12:24] <jesse_132> is downloading and compiling monodevelop the best way to go or does someone know of a deb?
[12:24] <Wsquared> Now totem-xine gives me sound, but just a blank blue screen.  No video.
[12:24] <jmhodges> i saw mention of a LiveCD but my google-fu is week
[12:24] <elim> it worked i have reinstaled ubuntu with the link in and dhcp works :D :D
[12:25] <elim> HORAY
[12:25] <Cardador> anyone know what is needed to play AVI files on totem?
[12:25] <schweeb> Wsquared: try playing a few different types of movies in it
[12:25] <elim> mplayer
[12:25] <schweeb> I had the same problem... it just suddenly went away
[12:25] <schweeb> no, not mplayer
[12:25] <m_tthew> Cardador: install totem-xine from universe
[12:25] <jesse_132> Wsquared, xine gives me video but no sound :( -- on dvd
[12:25] <matthewjs> phlaegel: you sure thats right? W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[12:26] <Cardador> ok m_tthew, ill try it
[12:26] <phlaegel> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[12:26] <phlaegel> ^^ that's what I have and it works
[12:26] <fred> I'm looking for gtkpbbuttons.... Any Idea where ?
[12:26] <matthewjs> you just add it to the source.lst and it works right?
[12:26] <phlaegel> yep
[12:26] <matthewjs> hrmm
[12:26] <matthewjs> wtf
[12:27] <phlaegel> did you apt-get update/
[12:27] <m_tthew> after an apt-get update
[12:27] <phlaegel> ?
[12:27] <matthewjs> no
[12:27] <matthewjs> heh.
[12:27] <m_tthew> Cardador: if that doesn't cut the mustard, the mplayer package out of the source phlaegel just posted should work
[12:28] <Cardador> m_tthew: but then i wouldnt use totem?
[12:28] <fred> Any Ubuntu's user with Ibook ?
[12:28] <m_tthew> Cardador: for things totem wouldn't play, yes
[12:29] <Cardador> strange... totem worked fine with debian sid
[12:29] <Cardador> and i have all the win32 codecs
[12:29] <matthewjs> hrmm now it reads my dvd but totem crashes neat
[12:30] <matthewjs> libdvdnav: ifoRead_TITLE_VOBU_ADMAP vtsi failed - CRASHING
[12:30] <matthewjs> totem: vm.c:219: ifoOpenNewVTSI: Assertion `0' failed.
[12:30] <Cardador> m_tthew: totem-xine solved my problem, ty
[12:31] <Wsquared> dvd playing update:  I just ran totem again, and it worked.  Go figure.  Thanks all for the help.
[12:31] <jblack> was somebody looking for me here?
[12:32] <m_tthew> Cardador: np
[12:32] <elmaya> where do i change the runlevel to start without gdm?
[12:32] <Kamion> subterrific: did anyone answer your powerpc question?
[12:32] <Cardador> elmaya: /etc/inittab
[12:32] <elmaya> orale
[12:33] <subterrific> Kamion: no, i'm diving into the kernel source to see if i can fix it myself
[12:33] <subterrific> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1486
[12:33] <subterrific> turns out it isn't specific to ppc
[12:34] <Kamion> subterrific: fun
[12:34] <subterrific> yeah, i've spent the entire weekend playing in the kernel source
[12:34] <Kamion> subterrific: if that patch fixes it I imagine Herbert'll apply it
[12:34] <elim> my mac's screen isnt adjustable so how do i make the image shift to the left a bit?
[12:35] <subterrific> first i upgraded ALSA to the latest rev, and then added a driver for my sound card
[12:35] <elim> its running off the side
[12:35] <subterrific> Kamion: unfortunatly it looks like that patch has already been applied
[12:36] <elmaya> ok im in innitab..what should i change??
[12:37] <Cardador> elmaya id:2:initdefault
[12:37] <punkass> anyone know what tells the screensaver to come on when the AC isnt plugged in?
[12:37] <Cardador> change it to 1
[12:37] <punkass> cuz it doesnt seem to be working
[12:37] <elmaya> Cardador, ok to what .. 3?
[12:37] <Cardador> change it to 1
[12:38] <Cardador> what do you want to do?
[12:38] <Cardador> login in text mode?
[12:38] <elmaya> start with text login
[12:38] <elmaya> yup
[12:38] <Cardador> ok so change it to 1
[12:38] <elmaya> thanx
[12:38] <Cardador> np
[12:38] <elmaya> brb
[12:39] <Cardador> gl
[12:39] <jesse_132> Any mono developers?
[12:39] <leonel> how can I install  mod_perl or mod_perl2  with apt-get ?
[12:42] <theantix> leonel, I think you want libapache2-mod-perl2 ?
[12:42] <leonel> theantix: would be nice 
[12:42] <Wsquared> Noob question: I'm using both ubuntu and GAIM for the first time today.  At the top of the screen, to the left of the speaker icon, are a few GAIM icons, two of which have a red circle with a white bar on them.  When I click on them, I get the GAIM login window.  How do I get rid of these?
[12:43] <leonel> theantix: couldn't find package  libapache2-mod-perl2 
[12:43] <Cardador> right click on them, quit
[12:43] <theantix> leonel, enable the "universe" in your sources.list and you should find it after an apt-get update
[12:44] <Wsquared> Cardador: Thanks!  I figured it would be something simple like that.
[12:44] <leonel> theantix: but  it's unsupported  will there be any   security updates ?
[12:44] <Cardador> Wsquared: NP
[12:44] <Kamion> leonel: not reliably
[12:44] <Cardador> sorry caps
[12:45] <Kamion> leonel: that's part of what "unsupported" means :-)
[12:45] <leonel> Kamion: I know
[12:45] <leonel> Kamion: the sad thing 
[12:46] <Wsquared> Is there an ubuntu forum anywhere? 
[12:47] <Kamion> Wsquared: not yet, although we are planning to set one up
[12:48] <theantix> Kamion, that would be nice... I prefer that to mailing lists personally
[12:49] <azeem> yeah, mailing lists suck
[12:49] <Cardador> anyone know what is required to play dvds?
[12:50] <Kamion> theantix: bah :-)
[12:50] <theantix> =)
[12:50] <jdub> Cardador: totem-xine (universe) libdvdcss (videolan.sf.net)
[12:50] <Cardador> totem opens the first image of the dvd, but then crashes
[12:50] <theantix> good to have both thn
[12:50] <Kamion> well, won't use them personally, but hey
[12:50] <jesse_132> jdub, do you code in c# ?? 
[12:50] <Cardador> jdub: i have both :\
[12:50] <jdub> jesse_132: no
[12:50] <jdub> Cardador: try running it from a terminal, see what the output is
[12:51] <jesse_132> jdub, dooh... hoping someone has monodevelop working on ubuntu
[12:51] <Cardador> ok
[12:51] <jdub> jesse_132: talk to tseng about it when he's around
[12:51] <tseng> hi
[12:51] <tseng> for the 50th time
[12:51] <jesse_132> tseng, hola ;)  to me?
[12:51] <tseng> i couldnt build monodevelop from the debian source pacakge
[12:51] <jesse_132> tseng, ahh me either.. crap
[12:51] <tseng> i have all the deps
[12:52] <tseng> monodevelop itself wont build.
[12:52] <jdub> ahar
[12:52] <Cardador> jdub: a bunch of errors
[12:52] <tseng> i dont use it, so im not going to waste bunch of time trying to fix
[12:52] <tseng> if someone fixes, let me know and ill package
[12:52] <Cardador> libdvdnav and libdvdread crashes
[12:52] <jdub> Cardador: ... i need to know which ones, to help you :)
[12:52] <jesse_132> tseng, did you get gtksourceview-sharp going?  that has been my stumbling block
[12:52] <tseng> yes
[12:52] <tseng> ill put a package up just for you
[12:53] <Cardador> jdub: libdvdnav: ifoOpenVTSI failed - CRASHING!!!
[12:53] <Cardador> the other are similar
[12:53] <jesse_132> tseng, cool ;)  your debs have been very helpful
[12:54] <tseng> jesse_132: ok apt-get update
[12:54] <tseng> all the deps should be in
[12:55] <tseng> hmm bad libxml2 dep
[12:55] <tseng> mustve got it from sid
[12:56] <tseng> i can rebuild it
[12:56] <jo_> How does Ubuntu relate to Debian concerning packaging? Can Ubuntu users frequently do an apt-get update, to get newer versions of their packages? Or should they wait for the new release every x months?
[12:56] <tseng> jo_: same idea, the stable release will be frozen except for fixes and security updates
[12:56] <neighborlee> can someone assit me with getting mplayer to work..gmplayer specificilly..its installed and Igot no errors during compile yet i'm having trouble gettting GUI to load  (even though I put  a skin DIR where it told me to in $HOME/.mplayer/Skin) and wondering if anyone else has had to go down this road and knows how to get this workin ;-(
[12:56] <tseng> jo_: the development tree will update
[12:56] <ziggle> i could not get ubuntu to work in VirtualPC on OS X
[12:56] <jesse_132> tseng, is there a reason for -cil instead of -sharp?
[12:57] <tseng> jesse_132: yes thats what the debian packagers named them
[12:57] <jo_> so there's sort of a "stable" and "unstable" tree in Ubuntu too?
[12:57] <tseng> more like stable testing
[12:57] <tseng> because testing becomes the next stable
[12:57] <tseng> unstable never freezes
[12:57] <tseng> there is no such tree in ubuntu
[12:57] <jesse_132> tseng, should gtk-sharp-examples be gtk-cil-examples?
[12:58] <crimsun> jesse_132: -cli stands for "common language infrastructure". See http://www.go-mono.com/
[12:58] <tseng> jesse_132: look at the repo in a browser
[12:58] <ioguix> hi
[12:58] <jo_> tseng: ok. Just wondering: what do you consider the advantage of switching from Debian unstable to Ubuntu (I'm using an Acer laptop)?
[12:58] <tseng> jo_: great gnome 2.8 packages
[12:59] <tseng> jo_: cool laptop stuff
[12:59] <tseng> jo_: a friendly staff of hairy gnomes
[12:59] <ioguix> I just installed ubuntu on my ibook
[12:59] <theantix> tseng, what interesting laptop stuff is there for ubuntu?
[12:59] <jo_> tseng: lol :-) Can you give me some details on the laptop stuff?
[12:59] <tseng> laptop-mode
[12:59] <tseng> cpufreq
[12:59] <jo_> theantix: oh sorry, same question :-)
[12:59] <tseng> acpi integration
[12:59] <ioguix> mmmh...is there an maintner of the ubuntu kernel ?
[01:00] <tseng> ioguix: herbert xu
[01:00] <crimsun> jo_: also, stuff just works after you install it. No mucking with fonts, fontconfig, menus, packages, etc.
[01:00] <ioguix> tseng: thank
[01:00] <tseng> nps
[01:00] <crimsun> jo_: after you complete the installation, you have a beautiful gnome 2.8 system without any mucking.
[01:00] <tseng> jesse_132: building libxml2 update now
[01:00] <tseng> hopefully it wont break other stuff wanting the older lib
[01:01] <tseng> its a minor version difference
[01:01] <theantix> is laptop-mode described anywhere?  I don't see a man page, and I'm running unbuntu on a laptop... just wondering if I'm missing something
[01:01] <tseng> theantix: in the kernel docs
[01:01] <tseng> or maybe on kerneltrap
[01:01] <tseng> ill look
[01:01] <ioguix> mmmh...euh...how can I talk to him ?
[01:01] <tseng> ioguix: bugzilla
[01:01] <tseng> or the -users list
[01:01] <ioguix> oki
[01:01] <tseng> if yo uhave a question
[01:01] <tseng> address everyone
[01:01] <tseng> and someone will answer
[01:01] <theantix> tseng, found on google, thanks
[01:01] <tseng> theantix: nps
[01:02] <ioguix> maybe it could be interesting to talk about my pb here...
[01:02] <ioguix> yes
[01:02] <ziggle> peannut butter?
[01:02] <jo_> crimsun, tseng: thanks for the info. Might consider Ubuntu, it seems pretty cool at first sight. One problem: I like quite bleeding edge packages (not experimental-like though).. Examples: latest gaim, firefox releases... How is this handled by Ubuntu?
[01:03] <ioguix> so, I have an mp3 player which has an SD card support
[01:03] <Wsquared> Hey, crimsun's comment about mucking with fonts reminded me of a problem I have with mplayer.  When I run it, I get an error window that says "New_Face failed. Maybe the font path is wrong. Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf)."
[01:03] <ioguix> so , I need the SCSI_MULTI_LUN option in the kernel...
[01:03] <tseng> jo_: ubuntu has very new stuff, but its frozen now
[01:03] <tseng> jo_: security updates only
[01:04] <jdub> jo_: gaim and firefox will actually be updated for our final release (along with gnome), everything else is frozen
[01:04] <tseng> jo_: i imagine what will happen is, you can follow the next release
[01:04] <tseng> jo_: or people like me will backport packages
[01:04] <jdub> jo_: once our development branch opens, you can track it for daily updates
[01:04] <IkeKrull> i'd like to suggest including kernel source on ubuntu CD
[01:04] <ioguix> currently, I compil my kernel, but I don't know why this option is not support by default...
[01:04] <IkeKrull> for final
[01:04] <tseng> ioguix: bugzilla
[01:04] <bskahan> did a fresh install of warty, to replace my really ugly warty-over-debian setup
[01:04] <tseng> er
[01:04] <ioguix> it's not really a bug, but a feature....
[01:05] <tseng> @ IkeKrull , bugzilla
[01:05] <ioguix> ok
[01:05] <ioguix> bugzilla :)
[01:05] <tseng> but you too actually
[01:05] <tseng> everyone file lots of bugs :)
[01:05] <jdub> ioguix: because it can cause problems with some devices
[01:05] <tseng> for your requests for hoary
[01:05] <bskahan> install went very weel everything seems to work out of the box except nvidia driver doesn't modprobe before gdm starts
[01:06] <jo_> jdub, tseng: ok, thanks. Another question: how about installing the Sun JDK? It was a real "pain in the ass" in Debian.
[01:06] <jdub> jo_: there are some packages mentioned on the wiki
[01:06] <Cardador> bskahan: put nvidia on /etc/modules
[01:06] <tseng> jesse_132: libxml updated
[01:06] <jo_> jdub: OK, I'll have a look at them. I used Gentoo for a while, and "emerge sun-jdk" was a lot easier :-)
[01:07] <IkeKrull> yeah i have a multi-card reader that would requirre multi-LUN
[01:07] <jdub> jo_: making proprietary software work is not our immediate priority
[01:08] <bskahan> Cardador: thanks, I'll do that
[01:08] <ioguix> jdub: maybe supporting it as module could be nice ?
[01:09] <jdub> ioguix: i don't believe you can build it as a module
[01:10] <ioguix> In fact, I just test the auto-mount support in gnome with my player
[01:10] <jdub> ioguix: please file a bug, it'll be looked at (lots of card readers require it now)
[01:10] <ioguix> jdub: arf
[01:10] <ioguix> ok
[01:10] <ioguix> I will look for send a bug in bugzila...
[01:10] <jesse_132> tseng, got it, thanks...  still cannot compile monodevelop either though :(
[01:10] <ioguix> in https://bugzilla.no-name-yet.com/ right ?
[01:11] <tseng> ioguix: /topic
[01:11] <jdub> tseng: you shouldn't need the latext libxml foo for mono stuff
[01:11] <jo_> jdub: OK. I understand this completely. An easy-package would be handy though. Just wondering how Sun JDK differs from the "non-free" section really. I prefer Ubuntu to keep Debian's policy regarding free software, as most desktop-ready distro's lack this kind of policy.
[01:11] <tseng> jdub: the libgtksourceview-cil package wants it
[01:11] <jdub> tseng: you should be able to drop the depends back
[01:11] <tseng> not sure if its a hard dep of i could back it down
[01:11] <tseng> yes ok
[01:12] <tseng> i will do that shortly :)
[01:12] <jdub> if possible, make stuff use things in warty :-)
[01:12] <jdub> (main, not universe)
[01:12] <tseng> its pretty close so far
[01:12] <Mithrandir> jdub: uploading rc bugfixes is ok now, right?
[01:12] <theantix> jo_, I had no problems installing sun java and mozilla plugins using sun's instructions
[01:12] <ioguix> tseng: oops, thanks :)
[01:13] <jdub> Mithrandir: with confirmation
[01:13] <Mithrandir> jdub: from you or mdz, right?
[01:13] <jdub> yeah
[01:14] <Mithrandir> jdub: http://raw.no/patches/loudmouth-0.17.1-amd64.diff ; tested on AMD64 and i386.
[01:14] <Mithrandir> without it, gossip just sits there, since the callback is never activated.
[01:15] <jo_> theantix: I used the debian java howto, and symlinked the mozilla plugin... Which went fine, but I don't quite see my parents doing it :-)
[01:15] <jdub> Mithrandir: bug#?
[01:16] <theantix> jo_, indeed
[01:16] <Mithrandir> jdub: 1442
[01:16] <jdub> ta
[01:16] <Mithrandir> jdub: the comment in it is wrong, obviously, since I haven't uploaded, but I forgot procedure, mea culpa
[01:17] <jdub> 'scool
[01:17] <carlos> night!
[01:17] <tseng> jdub: how could i downgrade to libxml2 in warty
[01:17] <Mithrandir> jdub: does that mean "please upload" in australian? ;)
[01:17] <tseng> i removed sid from my sources.list
[01:18] <Mithrandir> tseng: if you have an /etc/apt/preferences file which looks like:
[01:18] <Mithrandir> Package: *
[01:18] <Mithrandir> Pin: release a=warty
[01:18] <Mithrandir> Pin-Priority: 1100
[01:18] <Mithrandir> and you then run apt-get dist-upgrade, it'll downgrade all packages to warty.
[01:18] <Mithrandir> if you just want libxml2, use Package: libxml2
[01:18] <tseng> Mithrandir: ah, cheers!
[01:19] <jo_> I just decided to try it out :-) I'm downloading the ISO right now. I really hope Ubuntu proves to be the solution for Debian on the desktop! Thanks in advance for all your work, jdub and the rest of the developers!
[01:19] <MrPiddlz> Has anyone gotten their ATi drivers to work with direct rendering yet?
[01:19] <matt2> ola... anyone know how to tell your printer to use the gimp drivers?
[01:19] <matt2> They're installed already.. not sure where though
[01:20] <MrPiddlz> matt2: Were you refering that to me? Because if yes it didn't have direct rendering on.
[01:20] <matt2> MrPisslz: Nope, not too sure what you're talking about. What didn't have direct rendering?
[01:21] <matt2> err
[01:21] <matt2> haha speeled your name wrong
[01:21] <MrPiddlz> xD.
[01:21] <jmhodges> ah, hm.. ok I don't have a burner available at the moment, but i do have a few rescue/Knoppix cds that I possibly have loopfs support.. if they do, how would i startup the ubuntu install on the looped iso?
[01:21] <tseng> Mithrandir: hm that wants to rm a bunch of stuff in the process
[01:21] <matt2> Pisslz haha
[01:21] <jmhodges> s/I possibly/possibly/
[01:21] <Mithrandir> tseng: it shouldn't remove stuff not on the system, unless it gets unfulfilled dependencies.
[01:21] <MrPiddlz> Well when xserver starts I do glxinfo and I find out I have no DRI and no direct rendering.
[01:22] <tseng> gedit, gedit-commono etc etc
[01:22] <Se7h> hey there
[01:23] <matt2> anyone know where the gimp-print drivers are installed?
[01:23] <jmhodges> hmmph.. apparently, the install process is more complicated than i originally thought eh?
[01:24] <Adonijah> jmhodges, looped iso install may not be possible, there have been reports of failures trying to do it on the mailing list
[01:24] <Kamion> jmhodges: I don't know of any way to do an install like that
[01:24] <Kamion> jmhodges: netboot might be more plausible
[01:24] <jmhodges> netboot?
[01:25] <jmhodges> i see a directory with that name
[01:25] <jmhodges> sorry, im a complete debian newb :-/
[01:25] <matt2> I want to print in higher resolution than 720 =(
[01:25] <Kamion> netboot = stick kernel+initrd on another machine, boot it over the network by PXE (if i386)
[01:25] <jmhodges> tried once a few years ago and got my ass handed to me by 10+ corrupted floppies (looong story)
[01:25] <jmhodges> Kamion: ah
[01:25] <Kamion> jmhodges: you could also sign up at shipit.ubuntulinux.org :)
[01:26] <jmhodges> Kamion: did, but im impatient :)
[01:26] <Mithrandir> jdub: prod?
[01:26] <jmhodges> sometime late oct is the first shipment iirc 
[01:26] <jdub> Mithrandir: pong
[01:26] <Mithrandir> jdub: 01:17 < Mithrandir> jdub: does that mean "please upload" in australian? ;)
[01:26] <jdub> Mithrandir: yes
[01:26] <Mithrandir> ok, thanks.
[01:27] <jdub> Mithrandir: didn't i write 'upload approved'?
[01:27] <jdub> (it is morning, so...)
[01:27] <Mithrandir> 01:17 < jdub> 'scool
[01:27] <Mithrandir> was what I read.
[01:27] <jdub> Mithrandir: oh, that was, "it's cool for setting the bug status"
[01:27] <jdub> Mithrandir: then i commented on the bug
[01:27] <Mithrandir> ah, ok.
[01:27] <Mithrandir> uploaded now, anyhow. :)
[01:28] <Mithrandir> thanks.. now I'm off to bed.. have to play with evo tomorrow..
[01:28] <Mithrandir> or probably Tuesday
[01:29] <jdub> gute nacht
[01:35] <bad_ronald> okay, when I log in, gnome displays an error message " "Could not look up internet address of myhost (default: "debian", I renamed it during install), it may be possible to correct problem by adding myhost to file: etc/hosts"  So, how do I do that?  
[01:36] <bad_ronald> localhost (i.e. default: "ubuntu") is listed there
[01:37] <Deft> bad_ronald, not sure exactly what you mean, but the line in hosts should be "127.0.0.1 <hostname> localhost locahost.localdomain" or equivalent
[01:39] <bad_ronald> yes, that line is there, but there were two instances where a hostname had to be supplied during the installation, once during the cd install, then later after the web update, the first was called "ubuntu" and the second was called "debian", "ubuntu" is there but "debian" is not.
[01:40] <bad_ronald> it does read 127.0.0.1 at the top, though
[01:40] <Kamion> do you remember the context of the second question?
[01:40] <Kamion> that shouldn't have been asked
[01:40] <Deft> I still don't understand what's happened, but you can add as many names as you want to refer to your computer
[01:40] <tseng> jdub: i think i inadvertantly pulled in a few things from sid, im rebuilding the pkgs w/ more of a clue this time
[01:41] <tseng> im starting to get a hang of what is going on
[01:41] <bad_ronald> It was identical to the first question, only it happened after the web-based package installation, the only difference was the default name given #1: ubuntu, #2 debian, I changed #1 to localhost, and #2 to myhost, I wasn't really sure whether they were different or the same
[01:42] <ponds> gnome 2.8 is in warty right?
[01:42] <jdub> tseng: 8)
[01:42] <tseng> ponds: yes
[01:42] <ponds> im doing a review of ubuntu and userlinux, i have a feeling you guys are going to cream userlinux
[01:42] <bad_ronald> I also have alot of information under the line, that reads: "
[01:43] <bad_ronald> # The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts
[01:43] <bad_ronald> ::1     ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
[01:43] <bad_ronald> fe00::0 ip6-localnet
[01:43] <bad_ronald> ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
[01:43] <bad_ronald> ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
[01:43] <bad_ronald> ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
[01:43] <bad_ronald> ff02::3 ip6-allhosts
[01:44] <Deft> ponds, yes
[01:44] <ponds> awesome
[01:44] <ponds> i was really not impressed with userlinux turning on usermin (webmin clone) by default on the desktop install
[01:44] <bad_ronald> Can I just copy the information and write myhost wherever localhost is?
[01:45] <Deft> bad_ronald, ignore those; what does your system think it's called, either from running "hostname", or "cat /etc/hostname"?
[01:45] <Kamion> ponds: ew!
[01:45] <Kamion> bad_ronald: leave localhost alone ...
[01:45] <bad_ronald> it returns "myhost"
[01:48] <Deft> then your /etc/hosts must have "127.0.0.1 myhost localhost locahost.localdomain" in it, there shouldn't be anything else to change
[01:49] <bad_ronald> This is all that is written on the first line of /etc/hosts: "127.0.0.1	localhost.localdomain	localhost	localhost"
[01:49] <Deft> change that to what I just wrote
[01:50] <bad_ronald> umm... do I need to be logged as root to modify it?
[01:50] <Kamion> bad_ronald: sudo vi /etc/hosts
[01:50] <bad_ronald> thx
[01:50] <Kamion> (pick your editor)
[01:51] <DimSum> Hey
[01:51] <DimSum> For some reason, my network just stopped working on Ubuntu
[01:51] <DimSum> Anyone have any idea why?
[01:51] <bad_ronald> damn, the terminal cant recognize myhost, so it won't let me sudo
[01:52] <hornbeck> my network stopped earlier today also
[01:52] <hornbeck> I had to reboot my router
[01:52] <yuran> bad_ronald: if the problem is the password, just type in yours...
[01:52] <DimSum> Goddamnit, it was working 5 minutes ago
[01:52] <bad_ronald> okay that did it
[01:54] <DimSum> ifconfig still shows the eth0 device, but it's gone from Network Settings
[01:54] <bad_ronald> how do I save changes in vi?  (sorry I'm new to this)
[01:54] <yuran> ESC :w
[01:55] <Kamion> :wq to save and exit
[01:55] <bad_ronald> thx
[01:55] <Kamion> nano is an easier editor if you aren't used to vi
[01:56] <DimSum> See this is why I hate linux
[01:57] <DimSum> When something goes wrong, you're up shit creek
[01:57] <thaytan> DimSum: funny, I feel the same way about windows
[01:57] <DimSum> I'm not going to be drawn into a Windows vs Linux argument
[01:57] <DimSum> My networking is broken on Ubuntu, and that's unacceptable
[01:57] <Deft> DimSum, just admit you're wrong then :)
[01:57] <theantix> Deft, indeed =)
[01:58] <DimSum> Pardon?
[01:58] <DimSum> How am I wrong?
[01:58] <DimSum> I'm up shit creek. This is unfixable.
[01:58] <Kamion> DimSum: please calm down, it's generally impossible to help someone who's in a bad mood
[01:58] <thaytan> what's wrong?
[01:58] <DimSum> Networking isn't working
[01:58] <Kamion> DimSum: does 'ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0' help, or at least help show what might be wrong?
[01:58] <DimSum> And the eth0 device isn't showing up in Network Settings
[01:59] <DimSum> "Interface eth0 not configured"
[01:59] <DimSum> Unknown interface eth0=eth0
[01:59] <theantix> linux newbie support 101: claim something is worse than windows, 10 idle people will become alert and try to help you
[01:59] <Kamion> DimSum: ok, so does eth0 appear in /etc/network/interfaces?
[02:00] <jsc> hahaha
[02:00] <Chriffer> ifconfig -a should list all the network thingers you have
[02:00] <DimSum> Nope
[02:00] <DimSum> eth1 does
[02:00] <DimSum> Chriffer: eth0 is displayed there
[02:00] <DimSum> Which is what's confusing me
[02:00] <Kamion> theantix: actually it would have caused me to totally ignore the whole thing on #debian
[02:00] <Kamion> anyway :)
[02:00] <DimSum> If I try to add a new adapter using Network Settings, it adds it as eth2, then crashes completely
[02:00] <theantix> =)
[02:00] <Kamion> DimSum: 'ifup eth1', then?
[02:01] <DimSum> No, I don't want to touch eth1
[02:01] <DimSum> That's the wireless; and it's busy
[02:01] <Kamion> aha
[02:01] <DimSum> I want the ethernet to work, which it did 5 minutes ago
[02:01] <Kamion> so how come you had a network interface that's not in /etc/network/interfaces?
[02:01] <DimSum> Hell if I know?
[02:01] <DimSum> It just broke
[02:01] <DimSum> I was surfing happily one minute, then the next it wasn't working
[02:01] <DimSum> So I rebooted
[02:02] <Kamion> I'm pretty sure the installer won't have set it up that way; maybe this network settings thingy did that, I don't work on that end of the distribution :)
[02:02] <DimSum> No, it was working fine; hence the problem
[02:02] <DimSum> I didn't touch anything, and it just stopped working
[02:02] <DimSum> So er, can I manually edit /interfaces to fix it?
[02:02] <Kamion> for a static network interface, you generally want something in /etc/network/interfaces like this:
[02:02] <Kamion> iface eth0 inet static
[02:02] <Kamion>         address 192.168.124.33
[02:02] <Kamion>         network 192.168.124.0
[02:02] <hornbeck> DimSum: try rebooting the router
[02:02] <Kamion>         netmask 255.255.255.128
[02:03] <DimSum> hornbeck: I'm connected fine at the moment
[02:03] <Kamion> (and 'auto eth0' on a previous line if you want it to come up automatically)
[02:03] <DimSum> From my Windows box
[02:03] <DimSum> So no.
[02:03] <DimSum> Kamion: How about for DHCP?
[02:03] <Kamion> for DHCP:
[02:03] <Kamion> auto eth0
[02:03] <DimSum> iface eth0 inet dhcp ?
[02:03] <Kamion> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[02:03] <hornbeck> DimSum: I had same problem this morning, windows box connected Ubuntu did not. Reboot router everything fine
[02:03] <Kamion> then 'ifup eth0' and see what happens
[02:03] <DimSum> hornbeck: You're missing the point, the adapter has disappeared from Network Settings
[02:04] <hornbeck> fine
[02:04] <Kamion> I bet network settings reads /etc/network/interfaces; that's what it should do on a Debian-style distribution
[02:04] <necival> Strange problem: I have "rw,user" for my /dev/sdb1 but when my user mounts it, it's read only. And for my external usb, I have the same, rw,user but when a user mounts it he can't read nor write it.
[02:04] <Kamion> which would explain why it's not there any more, but not why it was there in the first place
[02:04] <DimSum> Kamion: Works fine
[02:04] <Kamion> eth0 working now?
[02:04] <DimSum> Got the device back in Network Settings, as well
[02:04] <DimSum> Yeah; thanks
[02:04] <Kamion> cool
[02:05] <DimSum> See this is what pisses me off
[02:05] <DimSum> One minute, you can be using Linux
[02:05] <DimSum> And everything can be working relatively fine
[02:05] <DimSum> And the next, something breaks
[02:05] <DimSum> For no apparent reason
[02:05] <Kamion> no, I've never seen this kind of thing happen before
[02:05] <DimSum> I have; with practically every distro I've ever used
[02:05] <Kamion> however, I'd have to be sitting in front of your computer to work out what was wrong, unfortunately
[02:06] <Kamion> from my perspective the problem is currently unreproducible :-/
[02:07] <DimSum> ;P
[02:07] <DimSum> Unfortunately, like I said, it didn't appear to have an actual cause
[02:07] <DimSum> If it was something I'd done, I could understand it
[02:07] <DimSum> But I hadn't been messing around with settings or anything
[02:07] <Kamion> well, the fact that it wasn't in /etc/network/interfaces is at best interesting
[02:08] <Kamion> was this an interface you configured during the initial Ubuntu installation?
[02:08] <Kamion> I'm suspecting not, since you only get to configure one at that point
[02:09] <Wsquared> I would like to try the nvidia graphics driver that is on their website.  Anything I should be aware of before trying it?
[02:11] <Deft> Wsquared, nvidias website? it's probably simpler to get the driver with apt instead
[02:12] <DimSum> Yes, it was the device that was configured at the start of the installation
[02:12] <DimSum> Hence it being eth0
[02:12] <DimSum> Rather than eth1 ;P
[02:17] <theantix> anyone here figure out how to use mplayer as a mozilla plugin on Ubuntu?
[02:19] <Wsquared> Deft: Aha, there are nvidia packages.  I currently have just nvidia-kernel-common installed.  Do I need to install more than nvidia-glx?
[02:21] <Wsquared> I read a bit more--I suspect I'll need nvidia-kernel-source. I guess I should RTFM a bit more...
[02:22] <Deft> Wsquared, linux-restricted-modules... contrains the module itself (from memory anyway)
[02:22] <Kamion> DimSum: no, that's not at all obvious from it being eth0, as it happens
[02:23] <Kamion> DimSum: if you have two devices detected, eth0 is simply the one that got detected first; which one you choose to install is independent of the order of detection
[02:25] <m_tthew> Does gnome-cups-manager require magic to configure a parallel port printer? Seems I can only select USB ports.
[02:28] <Wsquared> Deft: I have linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-2-386 installed.
[02:29] <Wsquared> If this contains the driver, how do I use it?  And what, then, is in nvidia-glx?
[02:30] <jdub> nvidia-glx is the X driver
[02:32] <m_tthew> "nm looks like local issue
[02:32] <Wsquared> OK, so what do I do to get my standard 3D graphics evaluation tools (glxgears and tuxracer!) working at their best?
[02:37] <guest> (newbie here) anybody out there that might be able to help me with my ubuntu networking issues (during install)
[02:37] <Kamion> guest: go ahead and ask
[02:38] <guest> dhcp works, the resolve.conf looks correct (I alt-f2) to check this out while it was trying to contact the ubuntu network for updates ... but it doesn't work, in addition my entire LAN stops resolving after I start using ubuntu (I can go on)
[02:40] <Kamion> can you ping the gateway?
[02:40] <necival> Strange problem: I have "rw,user" for my /dev/sdb1 but when my user mounts it, it's read only. And for my external usb, I have the same, rw,user but when a user mounts it he can't read nor write it.
[02:41] <guest> Kamion: that I didn't try, it's down now, I have to get out of ubuntu, get on my gateway and release/renew my dhcp lease for the rest of my network to get back to normal (i.e. resolve)
[02:41] <Deft> Wsquared, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, select nvidia as your driver, dselect loading dri and glx
[02:41] <guest> Kamion: gateway == router in my case ...
[02:42] <Kamion> they're pretty much synonyms nowadays
[02:42] <Wsquared> Deft: Can I do this while running X?
[02:43] <guest> Kamion: I'm going to restart the install and debug it some more, my connection should be good on my laptop, it's just that any new connections (dns attempts?) don't work after getting into ubuntu ...
[02:43] <Deft> yes, but it won't affect till you've logged out
[02:45] <guest> Kamion: looks like the installation is starting over with the base reconfig, I'm in and can ping and resolve right now, so I'm guessing something gets pooched during the install ... I'm chime in when it stops working and see if the gateway ping still works or not (it is now)
[02:46] <guest> Kamion: hmmm, looks like it's failing to resolve to security.ubuntu.com right now, is that service alive yet in the prerelease?
[02:46] <Wsquared> nvidia is not in the list of drivers; is this the driver provided by nvidia-glx (which I currently do not have installed)?
[02:47] <Kamion> guest: the host is alive, but the ubuntu-security repository isn't there yet
[02:48] <guest> Kamion: update; ok things just wentout to lunch ... networking is no longer working ... I was just pinging google.com, now it has stopped, right after it finished timing out connecting to security.ubuntu.com, I can ping my gateway, but no further it appears ... any thoughts?
[02:49] <hornbeck> has anyone had gnome-terminal just stop working?
[02:49] <hornbeck> mine stopped showing the prompt
[02:50] <Kamion> guest: I'd check /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages as a first resort
[02:51] <Wsquared> I started running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, but since the driver that I want is not there, I want get of the program.  There is no cancel option, and hitting escape just move to the next screen.  How do I get out of this thing?
[02:51] <Wsquared> "I want get of" == "I want to get out of"
[02:53] <Kamion> Wsquared: just run all the way through, if you accept all the defaults it won't change#
[02:54] <guest> Kamion: lots of messages of course, weedign through them I see a few notes about IPv6, "no routers present", and that it's using IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver ... could this be some sort of IPv6 oddity?  In addition, I can ping google.com, but nobody else - it's like google.com is cache'd up or something ...
[02:54] <Kamion> guest: doesn't sound related
[02:55] <nimeplux> hey, has anyone gotten gotten the IVTV driver to compile under Warty?
[02:55] <Kamion> guest: you're not behind some funky paid-for wireless thing, are you?
[02:55] <guest> Kamion: and what's totally bizarre to me is that now my laptop can no longer resolve ... it's like either A) ubuntu ticked off my router, or B) ubuntu is serving out something on my network that is ticking other clients off
[02:55] <Wsquared> Will it ask "Are you sure?" at the end?  In the very first screen, I scrolled around a bit to see what drivers were there.  I don't know where it was when I hit escape.
[02:56] <Kamion> Wsquared: no, but it saves a backup IIRC
[02:56] <guest> Kamion: no odd wireless stuff ... normal, well working, broadband (cable modem) connection from my home ... it works (repeatablhy after I get out of unbuntu and reset my router)
[02:56] <Wsquared> Could I just kill the console?
[02:57] <Roxim> Hey, I am trying to install the latest nvidia drivers, but I need the kernel source.  When I try to apt-get it, it says that it can't find the package.  Any thoughts?
[02:57] <Kamion> hm, or maybe it doesn't
[02:57] <Kamion> Wsquared: yes
[02:57] <Chriffer> agt-got install linux-source
[02:57] <Chriffer> maybe spell it right
[02:57] <Chriffer> but I hope you get the idea
[02:58] <Roxim> Chriffer: thanks, that was it.  I was trying to install kernel source. :)
[02:59] <Chriffer> they renamed it for some reason, heard it mentioned earlier
[02:59] <Deft> Roxim, you don't need the kernel source if you go straight for the ubuntu packaged nvidia driver
[02:59] <guest> Kamion: now my router won't even renew my lease ... does ubuntu try and run a dhcp server by default?
[02:59] <Roxim> Deft:  How would I go about doing that
[03:00] <Roxim> Deft: The one on the disk only gave me a screen with multicolored lines
[03:00] <Deft> you need linux-restricted-modules-whateverkernelversion, and nvidia-glx packages
[03:01] <Kamion> guest: we don't run any servers by default ... you could check with 'ps aux | grep dh', though
[03:01] <tseng> jdub: jesse_132 all the deps should be (correctly) in now, for monodevelop
[03:01] <Kamion> well, that's not quite true, no servers listening on open ports
[03:01] <tseng> i cant build it by hand either
[03:01] <Roxim> Deft: thanks, I'll give that a shot!!!
[03:03] <nimeplux> nm...guess I needed to unpack some of the kernel stuff and try to compile the root modules first
[03:04] <guest> Kamion: Just checked, only dhclient as you might expect.  I finally got the router to renew the lease and I can ping again, I guess what started this is I wanted to make sure I could "update" any bugfixes after I installed, is there anything to update to after the base ISO prerelease, or no?
[03:06] <aitrus> just installed warty, and it looks great!
[03:06] <aitrus> is there a run-level/services editor?
[03:08] <guest> aitrus: there is no chkconfig that I know if, there is a debian way to manage the symlinks but the name of that script escapes me right now.
[03:09] <tseng> boys and girls, the moment youve all been waiting for
[03:09] <tseng> we have monodevelop!
[03:09] <guest> aitrus: update-rc.d (do a man on it, I think that's what you're looking for)
[03:09] <aitrus> thanks a lot
[03:09] <aitrus> i've been a redhat user for ages, so i don't know any of the debian basics
[03:10] <jdub> tseng: have you pulled libxml? :)
[03:10] <tseng> jdub: yessir
[03:10] <tseng> monodev going up now
[03:10] <jdub> tseng: i'd prefer not to use an alternative source that replaces stuff in main :)
[03:10] <jdub> rock!
[03:10] <tseng> then you can sync and do a happy dance
[03:11] <tseng> latexer gave me a patch
[03:12] <guest> Is there any easy way to make windows sticky in gnome, like KDE, so they jump/snap to the edges of other windows and the desktop borders?  I figured if I'm going to play with Ubuntu for a while I should get used to gnome for a change...
[03:12] <tseng> http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/dev-util/monodevelop/files/monodevelop-0.5-compat.diff?rev=1.1&content-type=text/plain
[03:12] <Wsquared> Off to see if nvidia update has worked...
[03:13] <tseng> ok kids, update now for monodevelop..
[03:14] <MrPiddlz> Has anyone gotten their ATi drivers to work with direct rendering yet?
[03:14] <Afrodita> Plz Help Me http://www.netwars.ru/go.php?login=patriotina
[03:14] <hornbeck> anyone know what could have caused the prompt in my terminals to go away?
[03:14] <ponds> so is it safe to add debian repositories to my sources.list in ubuntu?
[03:14] <Deft> guest, hold down shift
[03:14] <jdub> ponds: no, best not to
[03:14] <hornbeck> ponds:no
[03:14] <jdub> ponds: you should be able to get most stuff from universe
[03:15] <ponds> ok, cool
[03:15] <jdub> hornbeck: some wacky pty/udev problem?
[03:15] <hornbeck> don't know
[03:15] <hornbeck> jdub: just stopped working
[03:15] <guest> Kamion: things seem to be working for now, I'm doing and apt-get update/upgrade from the restricted source to see if it's something that's been fixed, I'll reboot and cross my fingers.
[03:16] <guest> Deft: ? was that "hold down shift" for me? <confused>
[03:16] <MrPiddlz> No one has gotten there ATi's with direct rendering working in ubuntu?
[03:18] <JanneM> Kamion: did a bug report on the partitioning resize thing
[03:19] <Wsquared> nvidia driver doesn't seem to be working.  I installed nvidia-glx, ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 where I selected the nvidia driver, and deselected loading dri and glx.  But according to my careful, scientific graphics driver evaluation (run tuxracer), it didn't work.  What am I missing?
[03:20] <Wsquared> Oh, and I logged out and back in again after I reconfigured the X server.
[03:20] <Kamion> guest: there have been a few updates since the preview release
[03:20] <Kamion> JanneM: ta
[03:20] <Kamion> JanneM: if you haven't already included /var/log/partman from the installer, I'd appreciate a copy of that
[03:21] <MrPiddlz> Wsquared: Did you read your xfree86 log?
[03:21] <guest> Kamion: I see that, just updated, getting ready to reboot it ...
[03:21] <MrPiddlz> And Why did you deslect dri and glx.
[03:21] <MrPiddlz> Don't you need that? So you can actually run the game?
[03:22] <MrPiddlz> That's the problem I have I got not DRI suppose so no direct rendering. I have an ATi though.
[03:22] <Wsquared> I think the driver is supposed to allow these functions to be performed by the card.
[03:23] <MrPiddlz> I dunno how nvidia works but from everything I read there drivers are easy to install.
[03:23] <Wsquared> But the real reason that I deselected them is because someone here said to!  (I already forget--was that deft?)
[03:23] <MrPiddlz> ATi you gotta go through this whole mess to get them to work.
[03:23] <goatboy_> Wsquared: you'll need glx; it's GLcore and dri that you need to disable IIRC.
[03:24] <MrPiddlz> Why don't you re do it again do glx and dri.
[03:24] <MrPiddlz> Yea what goatboy said.
[03:24] <Se7h> this chan as more users day by day
[03:24] <Se7h> nice
[03:24] <MrPiddlz> Has anyone gotten ATi drivers to work? For me I can't modprobe fglrx and it won't initialize DRI
[03:26] <JanneM> Kamion: will do, as soon as I figure out how to extricate it
[03:27] <Se7h> btw
[03:27] <Se7h> talking in drivers
[03:27] <Se7h> does anyone use powervr ?
[03:28] <guest> Kamion: bummer, just rebooted, it trashed my "network" again ... my laptop won't resolve, neither will my ubuntu workstation - what on earth could ubuntu be doing on boot to affect my LAN!?!?
[03:28] <Wsquared> goat, MrP: OK, I'll try again with dri and GLcore disabled.
[03:29] <Kamion> guest: I'm mystified
[03:29] <Kamion> guest: is your DHCP server crashing or something?
[03:29] <guest> Kamion: :) that's why I jumped on here, my DHCP server is my router box ...
[03:30] <jdub> tseng: what did you need to change for gtksourceview?
[03:30] <tseng> jdub: hm, nothing
[03:30] <jdub> tseng: 'cos you've got your own packages in the repo ;)
[03:30] <tseng> what version is in warty?
[03:31] <jdub> 1.0.1-4
[03:31] <jdub> er
[03:31] <jdub> 1.0.1-2
[03:31] <tseng> i think i was just smoking crack
[03:31] <tseng> :)
[03:31] <tseng> everything else in order?
[03:32] <jdub> looks rad otherwise
[03:32] <tseng> nice
[03:32] <jdub> it's ALL SASS
[03:32] <MrPiddlz> someone tell me really quick how to install rpms in linux?
[03:32] <tseng> rpm -ivh
[03:32] <MrPiddlz> I mean in ubuntu
[03:32] <jdub> MrPiddlz: you won't want RPMs on ubuntu
[03:32] <jdub> (usually)
[03:32] <MrPiddlz> argh.. there's no way with these ati drivers =/
[03:33] <tseng> yes they are teh sux
[03:33] <jdub> MrPiddlz: we're getting ati drivers 
[03:33] <MrPiddlz> !
[03:33] <jdub> don't go breaking things just yet :)
[03:33] <MrPiddlz> Oh thank god!
[03:33] <calc> ugh fun
[03:33] <calc> the amd64 kernel still won't work with the keyboard on my laptop:\
[03:33] <JanneM> Kamion: saw the edit on the bug - methinks perhaps that screen could be formulated slightly clearer
[03:34] <MrPiddlz> jdub when are they coming out o.o
[03:34] <aitrus> are the i686 specific kernels currently missing?  when i try to install them with synaptic, it fails (404)
[03:35] <jdub> MrPiddlz: not sure, i kinda thought they should be there already
[03:36] <Se7h> catching the wave
[03:36] <Se7h> jdub what about powervr ?
[03:36] <MrPiddlz> k then i'll just go check partition in a bit and if they are then i'll install them. 
[03:37] <jdub> Se7h: not sure
[03:38] <jdub> tseng: hey, none of your packages require those subversions, you could just remove them from your repo
[03:38] <tseng> jdub: yeah it seems like when i get something pulled in from sid though
[03:38] <tseng> and build against it, it gets the dep
[03:38] <tseng> so i need to rebuild
[03:38] <tseng> and i just managed to b0rk something
[03:40] <psyklops> How do I stop nautilus from opening every directory in a new window?
[03:40] <tseng> bah
[03:40] <tseng> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libgtksourceview-common_1.0.1-2_all.deb (--unpack):
[03:40] <Se7h> jdub does those powervr.src.rpm work fine on ubuntu ?
[03:40] <tseng>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc-base/libgtksourceview-common', which is also in package libgtksourceview-doc
[03:41] <jo> hello everyone :-) Just installed ubuntu, but I'm having some problems with totem. I get no video output: "DEBUG: gstgconf: error parsing pipeline xvideosink;no element "xvideosink";GConf video sink not found, using ximagesink" 
[03:42] <jo> any ideas?
[03:43] <Se7h> change gsstream
[03:43] <Se7h> or install some video
[03:43] <Se7h> like...
[03:43] <Se7h> xine
[03:43] <Wsquared> MrPiddlz, goatboy_ (and anyone else):  It still doesn't work.  You were correct about GLCore and glx.  These enable software OpenGL rendering.  (It says so right in the configure program.)  So I disabled GLCore and glx, and re-enable dri, but glxgears is still running at about 380 FPS, and tuxracer is seems jumpy and coarse compared to how I've seen it before on this computer.
[03:43] <jo> Se7h: I tried sdlvideosink and aasink, but those don't work either.
[03:44] <Se7h> yeah
[03:44] <Se7h> probably is the streamer
[03:44] <Se7h> google for xine
[03:44] <Se7h> or someother player
[03:44] <Se7h> VLC is a good one
[03:45] <Se7h> vlc as almost all libs u'll need
[03:45] <m_tthew> jo: install totem-xine from universe
[03:46] <jo> universe?
[03:46] <Wsquared> ... The X server configuration program said that dri must be support in the kernel, the videocard, and in the installed versions of the Mesa libs.
[03:47] <Se7h> ah, one thing
[03:47] <Wsquared> How can I check if dri is supported in the installed version of the Mesa libs?
[03:47] <goatboy_> Wsquared: you have to enable glx and disable GLcore and dri.
[03:47] <Se7h> does anyone have unreal tournament installed?
[03:48] <goatboy_> Wsquared: nvidia's binary is special, it doesn't use dri.
[03:48] <Kamion> JanneM: so if you say yes to that dialog, does it then offer you the size?
[03:49] <psyklops> Se7h: I used to have UT2003
[03:49] <Kamion> calc: is that just a keymap thing?
[03:49] <Se7h> psyklops what about UT
[03:49] <Se7h> ?
[03:49] <JanneM> Kamion: yes
[03:49] <psyklops> Se7h: if I remember right, the order of the CDs was ALL out of whack in linux
[03:49] <JanneM> Kamion: it feels it really should be asking me for a size first, though
[03:49] <psyklops> Se7h: and there was something you had to do special to stop if from trying to remount on every file
[03:50] <Kamion> _Description: Write the changes to disk and resize the partition?
[03:50] <JanneM> first the size, then ask to do other changes before we do the resize, then do the resize
[03:50] <Kamion>  Before the resize operation takes place, the changes have to be written
[03:50] <Kamion>  to disk.
[03:50] <Kamion>  .
[03:50] <Kamion>  You cannot undo this operation.
[03:50] <JanneM> mm
[03:50] <Kamion> hm, I can see your point
[03:50] <JanneM> but since I have not specified a change yet, this sounds very strange
[03:50] <Wsquared> goatboy_: But the X server configuration program specifically said that GLCore and glx enable software rendering.  Isn't the point of the card to do the rendering in hardware--so these modules are not necessary?
[03:50] <psyklops> Se7h: if you weren't referring to UT2003, I'm sorry, but I have no experience with any other UT.
[03:50] <Se7h> psyklops i installed UT (the first one) and i got the windrv error
[03:50] <JanneM> it looks a lot like a screen was skipped
[03:50] <Kamion> JanneM: I think it might be because it doesn't know how to calculate the maximum size before you've written the changes to disk
[03:51] <JanneM> and since it's about repartitioning I tend to become very paranoid about it
[03:51] <Kamion> JanneM: how about if the screen were just clarified a bit?
[03:51] <tseng> jdub: youre wrong
[03:51] <JanneM> perhaps "before selecting a new size, we need to do all previously specified changes"
[03:51] <tseng> jdub: here it is:
[03:51] <tseng>  Depends: ${net:Depends}, libgtksourceview-common (>= 1.0.1-3)
[03:51] <Kamion> I'm a bit wary of rearranging that code
[03:51] <JanneM> Kamion: yes, make it clearer at least
[03:51] <JanneM> heh
[03:51] <Kamion> JanneM: something along those lines, yeah
[03:52] <Kamion> ok, I'll look at that tomorrow then
[03:52] <Kamion> thanks
[03:52] <JanneM> I'll post a follow up on the bug
[03:52] <JanneM> thanks for the help!
[03:52] <jdub> tseng: what's that?
[03:52] <tseng> jdub: libgtksourceview-cil
[03:52] <tseng> fixing now
[03:53] <goatboy_> Wsquared: I'm not sure what the X configuration program says, but the nvidia-glx package provides an accelerated glx.
[03:53] <calc> Kamion: no for some reason when usb is built as a module it can't see the keyboard/mouse at all
[03:53] <Kamion> calc: ouch
[03:53] <Kamion> calc: lucky my amd64 has a PS/2 keyboard, I guess ;)
[03:53] <calc> Kamion: i managed to get all the other problems with the laptop resolved with acpi kernel maintainers help, not sure what causes this one
[03:53] <calc> Kamion: it is a ps2 keyboard
[03:53] <jdub> $ apt-cache rdepends libgtksourceview-cil
[03:53] <jdub> libgtksourceview-cil
[03:53] <jdub> Reverse Depends:
[03:53] <jdub>   monodevelop
[03:53] <jdub>   monodevelop
[03:53] <jdub> ^ tseng
[03:53] <jdub> that explains it, i hadn't installed monodevelop :)
[03:54] <calc> for some reason it can't see the ps2 keyboard when usb is a module
[03:54] <tseng> jdub: yeah
[03:54] <jdub> tseng: it ought to build against the -2 subversion
[03:54] <tseng> jdub: but the dep doesnt seem valid
[03:54] <tseng> right everything builds and runs
[03:54] <Wsquared> goatboy_: Yes, and I think that is why glx does not have be be done in software in X, since the card will do it.
[03:54] <tseng> its in the repo now
[03:54] <tseng> im fast like that :)
[03:54] <jdub> :-)
[03:54] <tseng> so.. i think we are clean
[03:54] <calc> i'll have to see if the recent acpi fixes help resolve that issue in 2.6.9
[03:55] <Wsquared> But unless some combination of options can fry my video card, I guess it can't hurt to try a few more permuations...
[03:55] <jdub> tseng: rocking, yeah, all set :-)
[03:55] <tseng> thanks for all the pointers jdub 
[03:55] <Kamion> calc: ah, usbcore isn't modular in the Ubuntu amd64 kernels
[03:55] <calc> Kamion: iirc uhci has to be built non modular as well
[03:55] <Kamion> uhci's modular for us
[03:56] <Kamion> all seemed to work fine, as I say
[03:56] <calc> there were tons of acpi issues with the laptop so i will check to see if a current bk kernel works right
[03:57] <Se7h> offset
[03:57] <Se7h> 227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,0,3,8,245)
[03:57] <Se7h> LIST -aL
[03:57] <Se7h> 553 Invalid file or directory.
[03:57] <Se7h> Invalid response '5' received from server.
[03:57] <acf> can i boot the ubuntu cd in rescue mode or something? i've installed it twice now in vmware, and both times, grub fails with error 18, i think it was
[03:57] <Se7h> can't see what is cause
[03:58] <Wsquared> Before I start trying more combinations of options, is there a definite way for me to test that the graphics hardware acceleration is up and running?  Something more than running tuxracer and thinking "It seems slow"?
[03:58] <Kamion> acf: boot normally, run through the interface up to the beginning of the partitioning step, switch to tty2, mount your installed filesystem somewhere, chroot
[03:58] <guest> So, I'm in gnome, and I fire up a xterm, and type runlevel, and it says, "N 2" ... seems like an oddly low runlevel for a GUI environment (i.e. instead of 5 or 6) ... any useful reason?
[03:58] <acf> ok
[03:58] <acf> thanks
[03:58] <goatboy_> Wsquared: glxinfo | grep direct
[03:58] <acf> any idea why it happened?
[03:58] <Kamion> acf: it's a little overcomplex but it's the easiest way that exists at the moment
[03:59] <Kamion> guest: Debian has always been like that, you're just used to Red Hat-derived systems :)
[03:59] <Kamion> guest: in Debian-style distributions, runlevels 2, 3, 4, and 5 are identical by default, and it's the sysadmin's prerogative to customize them however they like
[03:59] <Wsquared> goatboy_: Thanks. Heres what I got:
[03:59] <Wsquared> direct rendering: No
[03:59] <Wsquared> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[04:00] <guest> Kamion: thanks, I can sleep now :)
[04:00] <goatboy_> Wsquared: that means it's renedering in software right now.
[04:00] <goatboy_> you want "direct rendering: Yes"
[04:03] <Wsquared> goatboy_: I'm still wondering about the comment in the X configuration program about the mesa libraries.  In synaptic I see a package mesag3, which I do not have installed.  
[04:03] <Kamion> calc: has pure64 got an equivalent of the patch in #272386?
[04:04] <calc> Kamion: not sure
[04:05] <calc> its unrelated to my issue, but not sure if it is applied on pure64 or not
[04:05] <goatboy_> Wsquared: you don't want mesa (software-only on nvidia cards), nvidia-glx should provide its own libGL.
[04:05] <Wsquared> ... but now I see that I have xlibmesa-dri and xlibmesa-gl.
[04:05] <Kamion> calc: yeah, I know, your issue just reminded me of it
[04:05] <calc> ok
[04:05] <Kamion> pure64 doesn't seem to have, but I only filed it today :)
[04:05] <ickyGoat> .
[04:05] <calc> ok
[04:07] <hornbeck> I need some help trying to fix my console issue
[04:07] <hornbeck> got any takers?
[04:08] <guest> hornbeck: I'm listening
[04:10] <hornbeck> guest: I have no prompt on any console
[04:11] <hornbeck> it just stopped working
[04:11] <hornbeck> I have been through my logs
[04:11] <hornbeck> nothing
[04:11] <hornbeck> gnome-terminal will launch but no prompt, same with aterm
[04:11] <guest> hornbeck: so it's no longer a default install, can you execute commands? (i.e. is just the prompt text missing, or is the term not working)
[04:11] <hornbeck> virtual consoles are fine
[04:11] <hornbeck> cannot execute command
[04:12] <hornbeck> it will let me type but it just sits there
[04:12] <guest> hornbeck: so it's hung, interesting ... any changes to you .bashrc (and related) files?
[04:12] <hornbeck> hmm
[04:12] <hornbeck> not that I know of
[04:13] <hornbeck> it was my bashrc
[04:13] <hornbeck> thanks
[04:13] <hornbeck> man I hate stupid mistakes
[04:13] <JanneM> heh
[04:13] <guest> hornbeck: great ...
[04:13] <claviola> so, what's particularly different about ubuntu other than its goals (which I've already read)?
[04:14] <JanneM> hornbeck: when you are responsible, they aren't "stupid mistakes", they are "valuable learning experiences"
[04:14] <claviola> from debian, I mean.
[04:14] <hornbeck> JanneM: I will have to remember that
[04:14] <guest> claviola: I for one am enamored with the simplicity of the visual interface, and the menu layout - as well as the default packages (one, and really only one for each task)
[04:14] <rexi_boy> hi there
[04:14] <hornbeck> claviola: from what I have seen, better hardware detection and more of a updated desktop
[04:15] <claviola> guest: oh, there's "a" visual interface?
[04:15] <JanneM> claviola: frequent updates
[04:15] <hornbeck> rexi_boy: ih
[04:15] <hornbeck> hi
[04:15] <claviola> JanneM: well, that's where debian unstable kicks in, actually
[04:15] <claviola> but it is nice to have a debian-based distro that "takes care of stuff for you"
[04:15] <jesse_132> when will ubuntu get gtkspell 2.0.6 or greater... is there a reason only to have 2.0.5 (2.0.6 is when squiggily underline for misspell became default)
[04:15] <rexi_boy> trying out ubuntu for amd64 and got some problem configuring x...
[04:15] <JanneM> ah, but this is frequent _and_ fully supported
[04:15] <claviola> Progeny tried this and failed, I sure hope the Ubuntu guys succeed.
[04:16] <Kamion> hornbeck: most of the hardware detection improvements have been in the area of X
[04:16] <claviola> I'm waiting for the CDs from shipit to arrive, if they ever do, so I give it a good shot :-P
[04:16] <Wsquared> goatboy_: So far, none of the combinations worked. 
[04:16] <Kamion> oh, and some extra drivers we've added to our kernel
[04:16] <claviola> Kamion?!
[04:16] <claviola> wait, wait
[04:16] <Kamion> for most other things we're trying to stay roughly on a par with Debian
[04:16] <guest> claviola: have you taken a look at the 80+ screenshots?
[04:16] <Kamion> (hardware detection-wise)
[04:16] <claviola> guest: screenshots are meaningless
[04:16] <tvon|x31> nonsense
[04:17] <claviola> Kamion: you've left debian?
[04:17] <Kamion> claviola: ?
[04:17] <tvon|x31> heh
[04:17] <Kamion> claviola: hell no
[04:17] <claviola> oh good
[04:17] <Kamion> claviola: I'm both a Debian developer and an Ubuntu developer
[04:17] <Wsquared> Hey, if I am using nvidia-glx, and I've selected the nvidia drive in the X configuration, why don't I get the NVIDIA splash screen?
[04:17] <claviola> that means I can be part of both projects?
[04:17] <claviola> haha.
[04:17] <rexi_boy> any one here tried the amd64?
[04:17] <Kamion> rexi_boy: yup
[04:17] <Kamion> rexi_boy: the automatic resolution detection stuff doesn't work on amd64 yet
[04:17] <claviola> Kamion: it's just that you're not joined to any debian channels, so I had assumed you had resigned
[04:17] <rexi_boy> Kamion was x setup right away?
[04:18] <claviola> not even #debian-not-so-secret-anymore
[04:18] <Kamion> claviola: I'm on four Debian channels at the moment
[04:18] <claviola> all +s, I take it
[04:18] <rexi_boy> Kamion what did you do to get it right?
[04:18] <goatboy_> Wsquared: you're using the nvidia driver, not nv, right?
[04:18] <Kamion> claviola: I've avoided #debian-devel on Freenode for a long time; I'm on that channel on OFTC
[04:18] <claviola> yeah.
[04:19] <Kamion> rexi_boy: just picked the resolutions I wanted to have, seemed to get lucky from that point on
[04:19] <jdub> claviola: (CDs won't arrive until end of octoberish, after the final release)
[04:19] <claviola> god, everyone is part of ubuntu
[04:19] <claviola> jeff waugh
[04:19] <rexi_boy> got an error message about module v41... and can't find screen
[04:19] <claviola> who's behind this "canonical ltd.", by the way?
[04:20] <jdub> claviola: www.canonical.com
[04:20] <Wsquared> goatboy_: Yes, each time I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, I select the nvidia driver.
[04:21] <aitrus> are there any common issues with graphical boot not working (not showing - not grub, but the boot process)?
[04:21] <claviola> jdub: okay, I see the website, but the isle of man pobox, albeit nifty, doesn't give me much info.
[04:22] <jdub> claviola: did you see my interviews on zdnet and osnews?
[04:22] <claviola> nay
[04:22] <guest> aitrus: graphical boot like bootsplash, or like the traditional grub menu?
[04:22] <aitrus> bootsplash
[04:22] <claviola> I'll check osnews, tis less annoying.
[04:22] <rexi_boy> what's the best way to get nvidia drivers on ubuntu? 
[04:23] <claviola> jdub: do you have a link?
[04:23] <claviola> aha, found it.
[04:23] <guest> aitrus: dunno, didn't get that far, didn't come up by default so I assume it wasn't a prepatched kernel thing ... did you try to patching the bootsplash stuff already? (has anyone?)
[04:24] <aitrus> well, i noticed that the default kernel line has "splash"
[04:24] <Wsquared> rexi_boy: If you mean graphics card drivers, that's what I'm trying to figure out right now.
[04:24] <aitrus> so maybe i assumed too much along those lines... =)
[04:24] <acf> what do i need to give grub for "install DEVICE" when my device is /dev/hda1?
[04:24] <acf> i'm more familliar with lilo
[04:25] <aitrus> (hd0,0) usually
[04:25] <rexi_boy> Wsquared yes, really easy with gentoo :)
[04:25] <Wsquared> ... I'm not having much luck.
[04:25] <rexi_boy> acf hd0,0
[04:26] <guest> aitrus: hmm never seen "splash" alone on the grub kernel line, the bootsplash ususally looks like "vga=791 splash=silent" (or similar)
[04:26] <rexi_boy> seems to me that ubuntu still got lots of issues with x, I might leave it for a while... :)
[04:27] <Se7h> You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "Windows Network: sinner".
[04:27] <Se7h> (trying to access local network)
[04:27] <Se7h> anyone can give an hint on this?
[04:27] <rexi_boy> liked the idea of gnome 2.8 and amd64 though
[04:27] <acf> err, it says invalid device requested... 
[04:27] <acf> (actually, i was going after /dev/sda1, i realized)
[04:27] <acf> but like
[04:27] <acf> install sd0,0 doesn't work, either
[04:28] <rexi_boy> acf what are you trying to do?
[04:28] <guest> Se7h: do tell?
[04:28] <Wsquared> rexi_boy: There are a lot of packages related to nvidia. In particular, I think nvidia-glx is what I want.  I installed it, and the "nvdivia" driver showed up in the list of drivers when I configure the X server, but I still don't get hardware acceleration.
[04:28] <acf> i installed ubuntu in vmware, but grub didn't install right
[04:28] <acf> so i've rebooted, and ch'rooted to the install
[04:28] <acf> am running grub now
[04:28] <Se7h> guest hum ?
[04:29] <acf> it needs to know where to install
[04:29] <Kamion> aitrus: 'splash' is a bit of a legacy which we've left there because we'll probably want it later
[04:29] <Kamion> aitrus: we do not do bootsplash currently
[04:29] <rexi_boy> Wsquared did nvidia-glx also installed nvidia-kernel?
[04:30] <aitrus> ahhh... thanks
[04:31] <rexi_boy> acf what's your grub.conf showing?
[04:31] <punkass> clear
[04:31] <Wsquared> rexi_boy: nvidia-kernel-common was already installed before I installed nvidia-glx.
[04:31] <punkass> oops
[04:31] <Se7h> how do i give my user the permission to access a local network pc?
[04:31] <Kamion> rexi_boy: the v4l message is harmless, can't find screen obviously isn't
[04:31] <acf> there isn't one on the ubuntu install
[04:31] <acf> (which worried me a little bit ;))
[04:32] <Kamion> /boot/grub/menu.lst surely?
[04:32] <rexi_boy> acf it might be menu.lst
[04:32] <guest> Se7h: more detail? how are you trying to access it? ssh? samba? other?
[04:32] <rexi_boy> Kamion yeh, I disabled v41 but can't get screen to work, don't know why...
[04:33] <acf> oh, ok
[04:33] <acf> i was looking in /etc :)
[04:33] <rexi_boy> :)
[04:33] <Kamion> rexi_boy: there'll probably be warnings further up ...
[04:33] <acf> i see two kernels, regular ubuntu, and a recovery one
[04:33] <acf> both say (hd0,0)
[04:33] <acf> hmm
[04:33] <Se7h> guest by windows protocol
[04:34] <Se7h> sudenly i forgot how it's called
[04:35] <rexi_boy> Kamion I run XF86config and went through the setting saved it and no luck, I have setup a few x's b 4 but this one is a doozy...
[04:37] <punkass> anyone know where i set how long etc it takes for the lcd screen to go off...when the laptop is unpluged?
[04:39] <acf> ooh
[04:39] <acf> i found grub-install :)
[04:39] <acf> handy little script, that
[04:40] <rexi_boy> acf that's wht I like grub...
[04:41] <acf> hm
[04:41] <acf> it didn't seem to help, though :)
[04:41] <acf> still getting error 18, in what is presumably stage1.5
[04:41] <Wsquared> Is there a way to find out the driver currently being used by X? 
[04:41] <rexi_boy> so, anyone here had problems configuring x during install?
[04:41] <rexi_boy> amd64
[04:42] <Wsquared> I mean besides looking in the configuration file.
[04:42] <mdz> rexi_boy: works for me
[04:42] <rexi_boy> mdz what's ur hardware?
[04:43] <mdz> rexi_boy: amd64, nvidia geforce 5500
[04:43] <rexi_boy> Wsquared can't you look in the packge manager?
[04:43] <mdz> Wsquared: the configuration file is the place to look
[04:44] <rexi_boy> mdz amd64 geforce 6800, don't think this should make a differance though...
[04:45] <Wsquared> rexi_boy: I was just wondering if there was a to check that X is actually using the nvidia driver.  I'm not getting the nvidia splash screen that I got when I used the nvidia graphics driver under Libranet.
[04:45] <mdz> rexi_boy: I wouldn't be surprised; that card is newer I assume
[04:45] <crimsun> Wsquared: if X is currently running, check the log file
[04:45] <MrPiddles> K does anyone know what "/dev/dri/card0" is ?
[04:46] <MrPiddles> I am reading my log file to getting my ATi to work in ubuntu and the reason it can't go on it can't find a device node name "/dev/dri/card0" any ideas?
[04:47] <rexi_boy> Wsquared try glxinfo | egrep rendering
[04:48] <rexi_boy> what's the output?
[04:49] <Wsquared> I don't see any times or dates in the log file. Does X create a new log file each time it runs?
[04:49] <MrPiddles> Yes.
[04:49] <crimsun> everytime it's restarted, yes.
[04:49] <guest> Anybody seen this usb.rc error during boot, "drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: usb_submit_urb(ctrl) failed" - this happens whenever I have my USB hub (built in to my monitor) plugged in, if I unplug it then ubuntu boots fine (any thoughts on troubleshooting this?)
[04:49] <chutwig> hello friends
[04:49] <rexi_boy> hello
[04:50] <chutwig> quick question about this ISO: is it complete, or will it still need to get a lot of stuff from repositories?
[04:50] <Wsquared> rexi_boy: direct rendering: no
[04:50] <mdz> chutwig: it contains everything which is installed by default, and a few things which aren't
[04:50] <chutwig> mdz: good enough for me
[04:50] <mdz> which means it has a full-featured desktop system
[04:50] <chutwig> is it using x.org?
[04:50] <mdz> no, we're going to x.org after the release
[04:50] <chutwig> very good
[04:51] <rexi_boy> Wsquared pm me with your x conf
[04:52] <chutwig> i'm interested to see how much more painless this is compared to installing sarge
[04:52] <Wsquared> I reconfigured X using the command dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86.  Do I have to do anything else, or will my changes take place as soon as I log out and back in?
[04:52] <crimsun> chutwig: i found it easier to install than sarge.
[04:52] <guest> Anybody know an easy way to turn off syncing my hardware clock?  My dual boot Windows partition of course doesn't like that - suggestions?
[04:52] <chutwig> crimsun: i didn't have any problems installing sarge, so i don't know how much easier it could get
[04:52] <rexi_boy> Wsquared did you restart the x server?
[04:53] <crimsun> chutwig: did you have to apt-get install x-window-system-core msttcorefonts, then configure your fonts, perhaps install a desktop environment and/or window manager, etc.?
[04:53] <Wsquared> rexi_boy: Does logging out and back in not restart X?  (Should I be looking for that "embarassed" smiley?)
[04:54] <chutwig> Wsquared: kill the X server with ctrl-alt-backspace
[04:54] <chutwig> logging out doesn't kill the server if you're using gdm or something like that
[04:54] <rexi_boy> Wsquared no.
[04:54] <chutwig> crimsun: only the core fonts, but i last used linux around 2.3.50, so things seem way easier now even if they're harder than they really should be
[04:54] <claviola> oh, I see now that ubuntu is quite not-like-debian.
[04:54] <Wsquared> I'm using whatever ubuntu set up.  Back in a bit...
[04:54] <claviola> there's nothing volunteer here, which may be good, may be bad
[04:55] <JanneM> claviola: in a good way or bad?
[04:55] <chutwig> if it doesn't involve 3 hours of staring at a terminal trying to figure out which module your network card works with, it seems easy to me
[04:55] <mdz> claviola: that's not the case at all. what gave you that impression?
[04:55] <crimsun> chutwig: you don't even have to mess with fonts in ubuntu.
[04:55] <claviola> JanneM: I thought it was just a set of developers that became frustrated with some of the shortcomings and decided to create a spinoff, which would've been cool.  It is cool, but it's not an open process, unfortunately.
[04:55] <JanneM> claviola: you have a company as backer, just like for fedora, mandrake or suse
[04:55] <claviola> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/view/591
[04:55] <chutwig> crimsun: well, that's good
[04:55] <JanneM> claviola: well, I think that's exactly what happened
[04:56] <claviola> JanneM: read that
[04:56] <chutwig> i remember the heady days of running ttfmkdir and spending hours picking out the fonts it didn't like
[04:56] <JanneM> and the spinoff is in the form of a company
[04:56] <mdz> claviola: there is a *lot* of misinformation in that article
[04:56] <mdz> claviola: about Canonical, Ubuntu and Mar
[04:56] <mdz> Mark
[04:57] <claviola> mdz: no big deal.  I'm just a bit disappointed, since I were expecting something that isn't what it is
[04:57] <mdz> claviola: Ubuntu is absolutely a community project with an open development process that is getting started now
[04:57] <claviola> I know.
[04:57] <stratus> but who's behind canonical ltd? mark?
[04:57] <JanneM> mark
[04:57] <JanneM> and the devels
[04:58] <claviola> yeah, that's the main thing for me. everything about this "canonical" seems shady.
[04:58] <claviola> there are no names anywhere.
[04:58] <stratus> the same for me.
[04:58] <acf> argh
[04:58] <acf> still error 18
[04:58] <JanneM> huh?
[04:58] <acf> even after --force-lba
[04:58] <stratus> the canonical website is almost empty.
[04:59] <claviola> JanneM: if one were curious to know who is behind their favorite new gnu/linux distribution, they wouldn't be able to do so without extensive googling.
[04:59] <claviola> even a whois for canonical.com is devoid of information.
[04:59] <mdz> guys, we only publicised our existence 4 days ago. :-)
[04:59] <stratus> claviola, i didn't extensive googling to come with that url above that i paste to you. :)
[04:59] <mdz> the websites and other resources are still getting up to speed
[04:59] <subterrific> a company with an empty website is not shady
[04:59] <stratus> mdz, np i'm just curious.
[04:59] <crimsun> google _never_ lies, heh
[04:59] <guest> keep up the good work guys, night ...
[04:59] <subterrific> shady is some guy trying to sell you real estate over the phone
[05:00] <claviola> mdz: oh, 4 days?
[05:00] <stratus> subterrific, i didn't said shady, claviola did.
[05:00] <whiprush> I don't care if I know or not, I like the distro itself.
[05:00] <claviola> I thought I were way behind things, as usual
[05:00] <subterrific> stratus: then i wasn't talking to you
[05:00] <mdz> 2004-09-15 was our first public announcement to the community at large
[05:00] <stratus> subterrific, but i said 'empty website'.
[05:01] <JanneM> claviola: you have exacly the same situation with any smaller entity
[05:01] <claviola> subterrific: okay, okay, bad choice of words.  "awkward".  better?
[05:01] <claviola> everyone that I *know* now to be involved with the project is extremely trustworthy, though
[05:01] <JanneM> mm
[05:01] <claviola> so I only expect good things to come out of it
[05:02] <mdz> there are links for feedback at the bottom of both canonical.com and ubuntulinux.org, and the folks who are working hard on building the sites are interested in what information you would like to find there
[05:02] <subterrific> anyone who has started a small company knows that it takes time to create a full website
[05:02] <claviola> the emphasis should've been on "now".
[05:02] <JanneM> claviola: I agree that the canonical website could use a real presentation of the company
[05:02] <stratus> mdz, btw who's involved from south america?
[05:02] <claviola> subterrific: vi employees.html
[05:02] <mdz> stratus: a handful of folks in brazil
[05:02] <subterrific> i've been with a company for over a year and our website consists of one page with our logo
[05:02] <stratus> mdz, hmm brazil? sounds interesting...
[05:02] <subterrific> people are busy doing more important things
[05:02] <JanneM> claviola: except there are workplace and privcy rules regarding when and how and why to expose employees in promotional material
[05:02] <calc> ok current bk kernel still doesn't like my keyboard :\
[05:03] <stratus> mdz, maybe i known them because i'm from Brazil.
[05:03] <claviola> stratus: sounds like we've been left out :-)
[05:03] <stratus> claviola, yes.
[05:03] <claviola> heh.  I'm not looking for a job though
[05:03] <JanneM> claviola: the moment you are a company, things start to become a little more involved
[05:03] <claviola> JanneM: SPI is a company.
[05:03] <claviola> in a way.
[05:03] <JanneM> spi?
[05:03] <mdz> there will be personal web pages and blogs and such for Canonical folks soon
[05:03] <claviola> software in the public interest, debian's umbrella non-profit organization.
[05:04] <whiprush> any idea when the -devel branch will open? After the warty release?
[05:04] <JanneM> ah
[05:04] <claviola> www.spi-inc.org
[05:04] <JanneM> well, they've had more time to get organized
[05:04] <claviola> sure.
[05:04] <mdz> whiprush: yes, probabyl after the release, though maybe slightly before
[05:04] <whiprush> k
[05:08] <punkass> ok i want to know if the acpi scirpt is working..it seems to be sometimes but not others
[05:08] <punkass> anyone know how to check the current status of hdparm?
[05:09] <punkass> to see what the different flags are set at?
[05:09] <punkass> i know -I gives you lots of info but not what the current flags are set at
[05:10] <chutwig> just do hdparm /dev/hdwhatever
[05:11] <Wsquared> rexi_boy and others: Restarting X was a disaster!  OK, not really a disaster, but it didn't work.  X wouldn't restart, so I had to manually edit the X config file, then kill and restart gdm. 
[05:12] <punkass> or where i can look to set the time of the screen going off
[05:12] <punkass> chutwig: that doesnt say it either
[05:12] <chutwig> punkass: what information are you looking for, specifically?
[05:12] <punkass> when the scipt is run it sets -B to 1 and -S to 12
[05:12] <Wsquared> Could some lay out the steps that I should be following to get the nvidia graphics driver working?  What do I install, and what do I run?  The driver is there, so I assume it is possible.
[05:13] <punkass> i want to see if it actually doing it
[05:13] <Kamion> I have posted one or two things to the Isle of Man, so it mustn't be a completely empty officeless installation there
[05:13] <chutwig> you'll have to tell me what those options do, i'm on a mac right now
[05:13] <punkass> -B: set Advanced PowerManagement feature
[05:14] <punkass> -S: Set the standby (spindown) timout of the drive
[05:15] <punkass> Wsquared: apt-get install nvidia-glx, edit /etc/modules add   nvidia , edit XF86config-4 change "nv" to "nvidia"
[05:15] <punkass> reboot
[05:15] <Wsquared> punkass: Aha! "edit /etc/modules".  That part is new to me.
[05:15] <chutwig> should he need to reboot?
[05:16] <claviola> http://www.chesterfield-management.co.uk/offshore-company-registration.htm
[05:16] <claviola> interesting.
[05:16] <chutwig> i'm thinking he could modprobe it in right there
[05:16] <Dashiva> yeha
[05:16] <Dashiva> that's what i did
[05:16] <Dashiva> modprobe + ctrl alt backspace
[05:16] <punkass> well he could just restart his X-server
[05:16] <chutwig> lucky for me i have a 7-year-old rage 128
[05:16] <punkass> but when i tried it, it failed
[05:16] <chutwig> no worries for me, i hope
[05:16] <punkass> so i just rebooted
[05:16] <Wsquared> So "modprobe nvidia" should work?
[05:16] <punkass> lol
[05:16] <Dashiva> also...anyone know why the mouse moves so much faster in debian X installs
[05:16] <punkass> yup
[05:16] <punkass> but u have to restart X
[05:17] <masquerade> hmm, anyone know if there's a bakasub package for ubuntu?
[05:18] <subterrific> claviola: probably
[05:18] <Wsquared> I didn't know about the kernel module.  I've been using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to select the nvidia drive, and to disable loading GLCore and glx.  Is that part correct?
[05:18] <chutwig> this desk is nowhere near large enough for 2 keyboards :(
[05:18] <punkass> chutwig: so any thoughts on the -B -S thing?
[05:18] <subterrific> same reason why 90% of US companies are delaware companies
[05:18] <chutwig> punkass: my only thought is maybe try setting another flag like -c or -d and see if that change shows up
[05:18] <Kamion> chutwig: heh, try two monitors, two laptops, and two keyboards ...
[05:19] <chutwig> i have the two monitor thing going
[05:19] <chutwig> well, one external monitor next to my powerbook
[05:19] <chutwig> then the linux machine is on the floor
[05:19] <punkass> one keyboard, two mice, two monitors and and one laptop
[05:19] <chutwig> two keyboards, two mice, a monitor, a laptop, and my collection of sand frogs
[05:19] <punkass> lol
[05:20] <chutwig> and the MX900 cradle that is so inordinately fond of falling off the desk
[05:22] <punkass> ok how about this, i want the lcd to go out after a certain time of inactivity...when unplugged...where would i look?
[05:22] <chutwig> xscreensaver settings, i think
[05:22] <punkass> yeah but those are used for when its plugged in too
[05:23] <chutwig> oh, you're talking about a laptop, my bad
[05:23] <punkass> i want the monitor to shut off quicker when its unplugged
[05:23] <punkass> yeah
[05:26] <punkass> lol well i got the lcd to turn off as soon as its unplugged...doesnt help much :)
[05:27] <chutwig> nothing in life or linux comes easy
[05:28] <punkass> yeah..well on my main comp..ubuntu was a breeze
[05:28] <punkass> its these evil laptop
[05:28] <bolivar> what brand punk?
[05:28] <bolivar> just wondering
[05:29] <punkass> dell d600
[05:29] <punkass> actually most stuff was pretty good.
[05:30] <bolivar> whats not working?
[05:30] <punkass> just trying to get acpi stuff to work right
[05:30] <chutwig> i thought i remembered seeing some sort of special kernel kajiggery necessary on some dell laptops
[05:30] <punkass> when unplugged i want the monitor to go off after a certain about of time
[05:30] <hornbeck> I use a 600m which is pretty close to the d600
[05:30] <joker> hey, can anyone help me configure a wireless card, i just installed ubuntu and when i do iwconfig it says no wirelses extensions next to all the devices it lists
[05:31] <hornbeck> what kind of card
[05:31] <joker> its a pci linksys
[05:31] <punkass> well the xscreensaver seems to be sorta on and off too...doesnt always come on
[05:31] <mdz> punkass: dell laptop; did you run into the IRQ7 issue? (#1254)
[05:31] <hornbeck> joker: never messed with wireless pci
[05:32] <punkass> yeah, that disabled lpt fixed my sound and wireless
[05:32] <joker> neither have i, thats why im having some trouble
[05:32] <punkass> and when i closed the lid it would just stay black...fixed that by adding  nolapic to grub
[05:32] <mdz> punkass: I'm trying to figure out how we can make that Just Work
[05:33] <mdz> punkass: so basically, the Dell BIOS assigns other devices to IRQ7, it seems?
[05:33] <mdz> punkass: does pci=noacpi help?
[05:33] <punkass> i tried apci=off that just made things worse
[05:33] <punkass> havent tried that one tho
[05:34] <punkass> see! bizarre...my lcd just turned off..
[05:34] <hornbeck> what in acpi does not work?
[05:34] <tseng> dont do acpi=off that sucks
[05:34] <tseng> pci=noacpi fixes it here
[05:34] <punkass> fixes which one?
[05:34] <tseng> 1254
[05:35] <mdz> tseng: could you add a note to the bug to that effect?
[05:35] <tseng> yes
[05:35] <punkass> ah..ok well that one seems fine now...i disabled lpt in my bios
[05:35] <hornbeck> I just disabled the parellel port
[05:35] <mdz> thanks
[05:35] <mdz> maybe we should default pci=noacpi on these BIOSes
[05:35] <mdz> they really shouldn't assign things to irq7
[05:36] <punkass> i am just trying to find out if there is different settings for when the laptop is plugged/unplugged for how long it takes for the screen to turn off
[05:36] <punkass> hmm but now it seems to be fine..bizarre..
[05:37] <punkass> nolapic   also fixed my  acpi_power_down called   problem
[05:37] <mdz> punkass: yes, there are
[05:37] <punkass> where it wouldnt shutdown all the way
[05:37] <mdz> the default is 2 minutes on battery, 10 minutes on AC
[05:37] <punkass> ah..where is that?
[05:37] <mdz> /etc/acpi/power.sh, of all places
[05:38] <punkass> lol i was just there....how did i miss that
[05:38] <chutwig> so what's the long-term plan for ubuntu?
[05:38] <punkass> i am going to throw this aopen router out the window..
[05:39] <punkass> oh did i say that outloud..;)
[05:39] <joker> one more easier question, how and where do you set the root password?
[05:39] <mdz> chutwig: to provide a free, open, technically excellent operating system with a well-integrated and usable desktop environment
[05:40] <mdz> joker: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.5722653677/faq_view
[05:40] <chutwig> well, yeah
[05:40] <hornbeck> joker: no root passwor
[05:40] <hornbeck> just use sudo
[05:40] <Wsquared> punkass:  Thanks for you help with the nvidia driver.  It is now working, and Tux is smoothly sliding down the slopes in tuxracer.
[05:40] <joker> how do you use apt-get with sudo?
[05:40] <punkass> mdz: i dont see them in there (power.sh)
[05:40] <chutwig> i meant is ubuntu going to have anything specific that distinguishes it, like special configuration utilities or any of that jazz
[05:40] <mdz> punkass: the 'xset dpms' commands
[05:40] <punkass> Wsquared: no prob
[05:40] <subterrific> joker: sudo su -
[05:40] <hornbeck> sudo apt-get install
[05:40] <subterrific> sudo su - will give you a root term
[05:40] <subterrific> without enabling root
[05:41] <subterrific> its very sexy
[05:41] <claviola> sudo -s, folks.
[05:41] <claviola> jesus.
[05:41] <punkass> ah the numbers at the end are seconds?
[05:41] <mdz> chutwig: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/ attempts to explain some of that
[05:41] <chutwig> it's definitely a lot safer to disable root
[05:41] <subterrific> sudo su -
[05:41] <subterrific> is better
[05:41] <joker> it asks for a password when i do sudo su
[05:41] <claviola>        -s  The -s (shell) option runs the shell specified by the SHELL environment variable if it is set or the shell as specified in
[05:41] <claviola>            passwd(5).
[05:41] <claviola> joker: "sudo -s".
[05:41] <chutwig> joker: that's your user password
[05:41] <subterrific> joker: type in your password
[05:41] <chutwig> OS X comes with the root account disabled, so i got used to sudo'ing for everything
[05:41] <joker> nice
[05:42] <joker> i see
[05:42] <subterrific> claviola: sudo su - is better than sudo -s because you get the root's environment
[05:42] <claviola> subterrific: it does the same, actually.
[05:42] <subterrific> normal user might not have certain things in their PATH like /sbin
[05:42] <mdz> the only bit of root's environment that I generally want is HOME
[05:42] <mdz> i.e., sudo -s -H
[05:42] <mdz> subterrific: in Ubuntu, sbin is always in the PATH :-)
[05:42] <chutwig> how about /usr/local/bin
[05:43] <mdz> likewise
[05:43] <chutwig> thank god
[05:43] <claviola> oh, nm.
[05:43] <Kamion> /usr/local/bin should be in $PATH in any sane distribution
[05:43] <chutwig> debian laughed at my futile efforts to convince bash to add it to my path
[05:44] <Kamion> chutwig: uh, it's in the default $PATH in Debian too
[05:44] <Kamion> $ grep local /etc/profile
[05:44] <Kamion> PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games"
[05:44] <punkass> well if these lcd shut off works then i think all is well
[05:44] <chutwig> Kamion: er, i'm thinking of the sbin directories
[05:44] <Kamion> ah yes
[05:44] <punkass> had to use the radeontool for the lid operation tho..
[05:44] <punkass> which actually works pretty good
[05:45] <Kamion> well, it shouldn't be necessary to have sbin in a mortal user's $PATH; we did it at least partially as a stopgap measure, I think
[05:45] <punkass> but isnt things like   ifconfig  in /sbin
[05:45] <Kamion> I don't think we should cease efforts to make /bin+/usr/bin be sensible
[05:45] <claviola> I don't know why not have /sbin and /usr/sbin in the path.
[05:45] <mdz> we did it because the distinction is not sanely implemented in modern unices
[05:45] <chutwig> yeah, i mostly got annoyed having to type /sbin/ifconfig over and over again
[05:46] <mdz> maybe that will change and we won't need it anymore
[05:46] <punkass> chutwig: i hear that
[05:46] <claviola> I remember flamewars about moving traceroute out of /usr/sbin, so it's unlikely.
[05:46] <claviola> maybe in ubuntu, though.
[05:46] <chutwig> i'm so used to BSD device names now
[05:46] <Kamion> claviola: that was a single maintainer ...
[05:46] <chutwig> i forgot eth0 wasn't named en0
[05:46] <ponds> chutwig
[05:46] <Kamion> the FHS is very clear about how the world should be; it's just that the world isn't that way yet
[05:46] <chutwig> sup ponds
[05:46] <Kamion>        Deciding what things go into "sbin" directories is simple: If a normal
[05:46] <Kamion>        (not a system administrator) user will ever run it directly, then it
[05:46] <Kamion>        should be placed in one of the "bin" directories.  Ordinary users should
[05:46] <Kamion>        not have to place any of the sbin directories in their path.
[05:46] <ponds> hows it going
[05:46] <Kamion> I note that ip(8) is in /bin
[05:47] <chutwig> oh fine, ubuntu is slowly installing on my crapbox
[05:47] <mdz> yes, and getting into the habit of using ip(8) is a good idea anyway
[05:47] <subterrific> ugh, flash is such a pos
[05:47] <ponds> cool, im really enjoying ubuntu
[05:47] <mdz> Kamion: are you up early or up late?
[05:47] <chutwig> i got banned from #linux, they got upset when i started defending OS X :)
[05:47] <Kamion> mdz: late; just off to bed now ...
[05:47] <mdz> whew
[05:47] <ponds> nice haha
[05:47] <hornbeck> night
[05:47] <Kamion> mdz: you should know by now that I'm not one of these early-to-rise freaks ;)
[05:47] <chutwig> they're a cheerful sort in there
[05:48] <mdz> Kamion: true
[05:50] <chutwig> i wish i had a faster computer for linux than a 7-year-old pentium 2
[05:50] <chutwig> oh well
[05:50] <punkass> mdz: now the laptop has been sitting unplugged for about 10mins and the screen has not shut off
[05:50] <punkass> chutwig: thats why have a couple extra HD's
[05:50] <punkass> same comp, diff drives
[05:50] <chutwig> punkass: i have extra hard drives connected to here, but they're all in use for things already
[05:50] <doobie> Whats up all
[05:51] <punkass> ah
[05:51] <chutwig> plus the linux machine is really just a computer to mess around with, i don't use it for anything serious, so it's not really worth investing money into
[05:51] <chutwig> and what are you going to do to a P2-266 anyway, there's not much that can be done for it now
[05:51] <punkass> yeah thats why i like switching drives..cuz then i get to use my main comp for linux too
[05:51] <punkass> lol true
[05:52] <chutwig> personally i prefer to keep the mac sacrosanct and away from what i mess around with
[05:52] <chutwig> just so i can be sure that i always have a working computer
[05:52] <punkass> yeah...side of my case is open...always unplug my ide from working drive :)
[05:53] <chutwig> that computer running linux is hardcore
[05:53] <chutwig> 440LX power
[05:54] <punkass> hehe
[05:54] <chutwig> i had to put in a separate IDE controller for the hard drive because the onboard one had a tendency to flip out and send the hard drive into endless power-save cycles
[05:54] <punkass> lol nice
[05:54] <chutwig> got woken up at 8 in the morning by the computer rattling and going clunk clank clunk clank clunk clank
[05:55] <Se7h> lolol
[05:55] <punkass> chutwig: arnt most people up at 8 in the morning ;)
[05:55] <chutwig> i'm on college time
[05:55] <punkass> lol 
[05:55] <ponds> so usplash isnt ready yet i take it?
[05:55] <punkass> 10 oclock classes
[05:56] <chutwig> i have a 9:50 this semester twice a week, it's brutal
[05:56] <chutwig> i skip it half the time anyway
[05:56] <punkass> eww i had a 8:30 last semseter...it was evil
[05:56] <chutwig> in exchange for the 9:50 i managed to get two days off each week
[05:57] <Se7h> ?- class at 1pm
[05:57] <Se7h> :)
[05:57] <calc> 9:50 early?
[05:57] <chutwig> i really need to find a job because otherwise i'm going to go insane from boredom
[05:57] <calc> iirc i had 7am classes at one point
[05:57] <punkass> mdz: so the lcd shut off does not seem to be working now
[05:57] <chutwig> when i worked during the summer 9:50 would have been astonishingly late
[05:57] <ponds> i have 8 am classes :(
[05:57] <chutwig> it's funny, during the summer i get up early and then when i come back to school i start getting up late again
[05:57] <calc> 8am classes were normal for me, was done with the day usually by 1-2pm
[05:58] <chutwig> i'm done by 6 monday and wednesday and at 7 on thursday
[05:58] <chutwig> evening classes are okay with me, the night classes i had last semester made me want to kill myself, though
[05:58] <punkass> i had an evil 5:20-9:30 class (nite)
[05:58] <punkass> by the end i was falling asleep
[05:58] <chutwig> my longest class is the 4:30-7:10 grad class i have once a week on thursday
[05:59] <calc> night classes are sometimes better since some instructors seem to go easier on working adults
[05:59] <chutwig> i hated the subject material as well, so that didn't help
[05:59] <chutwig> but this grad class i have this semester is an interesting class, plus it's on the history of the german language and i'm the only linguist in there, so i have an advantage over everyone else
[05:59] <chutwig> so it's a nice way to end the week
[06:03] <chutwig> ubuntu seems determined to download as much stuff as possible and put me over my transfer limits
[06:04] <tory> sup chutwig :O
[06:05] <chutwig> sup who r u 8)
[06:05] <tory> hello.jpg
[06:05] <tory> :O
[06:05] <chutwig> :o
[06:05] <chutwig> sup
[06:05] <tory> nm
[06:05] <tory> ubuntu is fucking awesome :-)
[06:05] <ponds> hello hello.jpg
[06:05] <tory> whoa sup 
[06:05] <chutwig> i have another 388 megs of archives to download
[06:06] <chutwig> and then i have about 200 megs of transfer to survive on for the week
[06:06] <tory> :o
[06:06] <ponds> ubununv
[06:06] <Zarquon> :O
[06:06] <radeon-> o wow ubuntu let me in on this
[06:06] <chutwig> actually, no, wait, i can't read
[06:06] <chutwig> oh shit it's radeon
[06:06] <radeon-> hey chutwig
[06:06] <chutwig> sup
[06:06] <radeon-> long time no see
[06:06] <ponds> oh shit
[06:07] <radeon-> Not much, you
[06:07] <chutwig> this is a total fag reunion
[06:07] <chutwig> installing ubuntu
[06:07] <radeon-> Why dont you come to zirc anymore?
[06:07] <chutwig> because it's goddamn lame
[06:07] <ponds> radeon-: how do i get into #you-know-what
[06:07] <tory> chutwig: :(
[06:07] <radeon-> what you want to be let in on it?
[06:07] <Zarquon> ponds: it's $5 for the first minute
[06:07] <chutwig> bunch of linux trolls
[06:07] <Zarquon> and $2 for each additional minute
[06:07] <radeon-> chutwig i still havent gotten my mac haha
[06:07] <ponds> i stayed off irc for a week and i am out of the loop
[06:07] <radeon-> but soon enough!
[06:08] <chutwig> my girlfriend has a powerbook now and my sister has an ibook
[06:08] <tory> B)
[06:08] <chutwig> and i intend to have an imac g5 on my dad's desk by this time next year
[06:08] <radeon-> heh
[06:08] <radeon-> Did they come out yet?
[06:08] <radeon-> wait
[06:08] <radeon-> yes
[06:08] <radeon-> i remember seeing pics
[06:08] <chutwig> yeah, i played with one at the menlo apple store
[06:08] <radeon-> of the resembelance to a iPod
[06:08] <chutwig> it was nice
[06:09] <radeon-> if i had 1600 dollars to spend (which i dont)
[06:09] <radeon-> i'd almost consider getting one
[06:09] <chutwig> they seem like nice little machines
[06:09] <chutwig> should help apple break into the ipod market a lot
[06:09] <radeon-> i talked my teacher into buying an eMac over the summer
[06:09] <radeon-> for class
[06:09] <radeon-> he ordered it on august 9th
[06:09] <radeon-> he got it on friday
[06:09] <chutwig> hah
[06:10] <chutwig> the old computer blew up
[06:10] <radeon-> what?
[06:10] <chutwig> "hde: drive not ready for command"
[06:10] <radeon-> what old computer
[06:10] <pills_> havent installed ubuntu yet, but im looking to...just one quick question does ubunto have an apt system like debian or does it use apt?
[06:10] <chutwig> the old computer that i run linux on
[06:10] <radeon-> oh
[06:10] <radeon-> :(
[06:10] <chutwig> it uses apt with ubuntu's repositories
[06:10] <crimsun> pills_: it's based on Debian, so it does.
[06:10] <radeon-> you should unblock me from aim sometime
[06:10] <pills_> excellent
[06:10] <radeon-> i wont im you on the toilet again. promise!
[06:10] <chutwig> well, okay
[06:10] <radeon-> i dont have a laptop to do such with anymore laffo
[06:11] <chutwig> but if you start being gay i'll block you again
[06:11] <radeon-> OK :(
[06:11] <ickyGoat> sorry..........what's    apt?
[06:11] <crimsun> ickyGoat: man apt :)
[06:11] <ickyGoat> :-)    ok   :-)
[06:11] <chutwig> hppray
[06:11] <chutwig> DISK BOOT FAILURE
[06:11] <chutwig> awesome
[06:11] <Zarquon> huh
[06:11] <chutwig> the computer exploded
[06:12] <Zarquon> wow
[06:12] <george_> hi all, anyone know if Openoffice will have th egtk fileselector integrated?
[06:12] <fabbione> morning guys
[06:12] <chutwig> i'm going to tell everyone that ubuntu destroyed my IDE controller :(
[06:12] <Zarquon> george_: you mean the gnome one?
[06:12] <Zarquon> ximian OO already does
[06:12] <crimsun> moin fabbione :)
[06:13] <thaytan> chutwig: did you forget to answer 'no' to the 'destroy my hd controller' question?
[06:13] <chutwig> thaytan: must've missed it
[06:13] <george_> Zargin-: well yes I guess, I beleive Micheal Meeks was doing the work
[06:13] <Zarquon> you have to pay attention to these things
[06:13] <chutwig> :(
[06:14] <george_> man I can't type:-)
[06:14] <Zarquon> chutwig: so your IDE controller is seriously screwed now?
[06:14] <chutwig> i powered off and back on and it came up again
[06:14] <Zarquon> you can't boot from it, to another OS or anything
[06:14] <Zarquon> oh
[06:14] <ickyGoat> moving around on a office chair's wheels  wil really FUCK UP the parquay  FLOORS !!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:14] <chutwig> but i imagine that it may explode again in the near future
[06:14] <coren> take pictures if it does
[06:14] <thaytan> chutwig: what does 'explode' mean in that context?
[06:14] <Zarquon> just wear a flak jacket when you use the computer
[06:14] <Zarquon> no big deal
[06:14] <MrPiddles> Sorry to bother again but has anyone gotten there ATi graphics card working in ubuntu?
[06:15] <ickyGoat> ooopsss sorry     wrong window
[06:15] <thaytan> MrPiddles: yes, I have
[06:15] <thaytan> R200 chipset cards should work fine AFAIK
[06:15] <chutwig> thaytan: the drive or controller stopped responding
[06:15] <MrPiddles> thaytan you got it to work with direct rendering O.o?
[06:15] <thaytan> chutwig: ouch - hardware problem, or a driver one?
[06:15] <chutwig> hardware, i imagine
[06:16] <thaytan> MrPiddles: yeah, it set that all up automatically just fine
[06:16] <ponds> MrPiddles: it works by default for me
[06:16] <chutwig> dpkg is throwing a shit fit trying to recover
[06:16] <thaytan> with a Radeon 9000M
[06:16] <chutwig> the same driver worked fine before on debian
[06:16] <ponds> i am owning it up with crack-attack --solo on my radeon
[06:16] <MrPiddles> Argh then I am just having bad luck with this 9600 Pro.
[06:16] (calc/#ubuntu) 3d requires the binary driver from ati
[06:16] (thaytan/#ubuntu) MrPiddles: 9600 is an R300 card, I think
[06:17] (punkass/#ubuntu) whoa gaim hit 1.0
[06:17] (MrPiddles/#ubuntu) Yea it is. 
[06:17] (calc/#ubuntu) 9600 is RV350
[06:17] (thaytan/#ubuntu) which, yeah, what calc said
[06:17] <MrPiddles> calc how would I go on going to install the binary's from ati in ubuntu.
[06:17] <calc> MrPiddles: no idea
[06:17] <MrPiddles> In Slackware it was a breeze but in here I can't get that to work.
[06:17] <pills_> net install ISO for ubuntu?
[06:17] <thaytan> george_: depends on the camera - usb storage cameras are a known problem with gthumb
[06:17] <thaytan> it doesn't handle them
[06:17] <MrPiddles> =/
[06:17] <calc> MrPiddles: i haven't installed ubuntu yet
[06:17] <MrPiddles> =(
[06:17] <calc> doesn't work with my keyboard :\
[06:17] <chutwig> heh
[06:18] <crimsun> too busy compiling kde on your amd64s, eh calc?
[06:18] <chutwig> this thing is completely hosed
[06:18] <chutwig> the hard drive managed to corrupt everything
[06:18] <MrPiddles> That's what I want to do but I just want to have something for the mean time xD.
[06:18] <chutwig> might as well reinstall
[06:18] <crimsun> pills_: why would you need a netinstall? :)
[06:18] <radeon-> that is :( chutwig
[06:18] <calc> crimsun: well i didn't think it would be a good idea to replace debian on my desktop system, and on my laptop the keyboard only works if uhci isn't a module
[06:18] <george_> thaytan: right it's a Canon Powershot G2, very common and gthunmb sees it just fine but hal doesn't know what device it is.
[06:18] <chutwig> radeon-: we'll see if i can recover from it
[06:18] <crimsun> calc: hah, true.
[06:18] <radeon-> I need to unload this PC crap i have
[06:18] <calc> but yea 9600 works fine in 2d on both of my amd64 systems (desktop and laptop)
[06:19] <radeon-> so i can get my PVR box built
[06:19] <pills_> crimsum 3 hrs till it finishes d/l
[06:19] <pills_> faster mirror to get it installed faster :)
[06:19] <Zarquon> so hey
[06:19] <chutwig> get a mirror at rutgers so that i can get things faster plz
[06:19] <Zarquon> this warty-i386.iso
[06:19] <chutwig> they already mirror practically every other distribution in the universe
[06:19] <Zarquon> does it have most of the crap I need to install, or is it just a huge netinstall CD?
[06:20] <radeon-> chutwig: wouldnt that just be like a network transfer for you laffo
[06:20] <crimsun> send an email to the ftpmaster of that server, chutwig 
[06:20] <thaytan> george_: oh, ok
[06:20] <MrPiddles> I just wanna get it to have 2d and 3d in here.
[06:20] <thaytan> perhaps a missing ID value that HAL needs added
[06:20] <chutwig> radeon-: yeah, that's why i liked debian so much, they have an internal repository here at rutgers
[06:20] <MrPiddles> I did get 3d in slack but I don't care about slack I care about ubuntu xD.
[06:20] <Zarquon> chutwig: can't you use debian packages still?
[06:20] <george_> where do I set this in HAL?
[06:20] <ponds> it has most of the crap you need to install, it will get you the latest stuff though after install, which is like a 30 mb download as of about 2 hours ago
[06:20] <radeon-> I need to decide what i want to do about college
[06:20] <chutwig> Zarquon: sure, but i'd rather pull from ubuntu's repository than some debian one
[06:20] <Zarquon> oh ok
[06:21] <radeon-> i still have another year to decide, but nows the time to start visiting colleges
[06:21] <chutwig> crimsun: i'll see if i can find out who to talk to about it
[06:21] <Zarquon> radeon-: oh you should totally come to UCR
[06:21] <punkass> anyone know if the nvidia-glx is available for amd64?
[06:21] <Zarquon> if you hate life
[06:21] <radeon-> UCR?
[06:21] <Zarquon> and love meth
[06:21] <pills_> uc riverside
[06:21] <crimsun> riverside? hah.
[06:21] <chutwig> go to penn state like the rest of pennsylvania
[06:21] <radeon-> i know a guy who goes there
[06:21] <Zarquon> Universoty of California, Riverside
[06:21] <thaytan> george_: I don't know :-/
[06:21] <radeon-> zarquan
[06:21] <Zarquon> Er
[06:21] <radeon-> know bill Abney :P
[06:21] <Zarquon> University
[06:21] <Zarquon> radeon-: uhh
[06:21] <pills_> crimsum so there is no netinst ISO?
[06:22] <Zarquon> ding ding.,
[06:22] <crimsun> pills_: no, just that one iso.
[06:22] <chutwig> i'm thinking setting my root filesystem as XFS might have been a bad idea
[06:22] <pills_> arg...i read on their site there was one
[06:22] <radeon-> uhh what zarquon
[06:22] <Zarquon> radeon-: oh wow bill abneys let me in on this
[06:22] <radeon-> what are you him?
[06:22] <radeon-> or wat
[06:22] <Zarquon> lmao
[06:22] <chutwig> ldconfig seems convinced that every single library that gets installed has the wrong magic bytes at the beginning
[06:22] <calc> chutwig: fun
[06:22] <radeon-> so yes you are?
[06:23] <chutwig> LINUX
[06:23] <Zarquon> LIMUX
[06:23] <Se7h> how can i had screen resolutions do my config ?
[06:23] <Se7h> *add
[06:23] <crimsun> pills_: where did you read there is one?
[06:24] <pills_> letme get url
[06:24] <pills_> it was on ubuntulinux.com
[06:24] <Roxim> I have recently installed the Ubuntu packaged nvidia drivers, and changed my Xconfig file to use them, but when I try to change resolutions, there is only 640x480 and 800x600.  I have a GForce 4 MX 440, so it should go higher.  Anyone know how to bump up the res.?
[06:25] <pills_> oh hmmm....netboot install
[06:25] <punkass> Roxim: check your XF86config file
[06:25] <pills_> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-15.0100531885
[06:26] <punkass> if you see "800x600" "640x480"
[06:26] <punkass> just make it look like  "1024x768" "800....etc
[06:27] <punkass> then restart X server  Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
[06:27] <Roxim> punkass: I have read through the file, and it lists from 1280x1024 to 640x480
[06:29] <chutwig> sigh
[06:29] <chutwig> now i have like 40 half-installed packages and not even purging them will remove them
[06:30] <punkass> on all lines?
[06:30] <punkass> i mean mulitple lines?
[06:31] <chutwig> it is completely and totally stuck
[06:31] <chutwig> because they got corrupted when the hard drive wigged out
[06:31] <chutwig> so the removal scripts are corrupted
[06:31] <punkass> doh
[06:31] <Roxim> yeah
[06:31] <punkass> hmm ok
[06:31] <chutwig> and i thought i was onto the solution when dpkg said it was going to use the scripts from the packages on the CD
[06:31] <chutwig> but obviously not because it still freaked
[06:32] <punkass> Computer > System Config > Screen Res only give you two options?
[06:32] <chutwig> oh what a ridiculous mess
[06:32] <Roxim> yeah, and only one option under refresh rate
[06:32] <punkass> i take it you have loaded the nvidia module?
[06:33] <Roxim> I downloaded the package, and changed my Xconfig to use nvidia as the driver
[06:33] <punkass> the nvidia-glx package?
[06:33] <Roxim> yeah
[06:33] <punkass> ok you need to add  nvidia  to /etc/modules
[06:34] <punkass> then try a reboot
[06:34] <fabbione> no need to reboot
[06:34] <fabbione> just modprobe nvidia
[06:34] <fabbione> and restart X
[06:34] <punkass> and restart X server
[06:34] <punkass> i say reboot..cuz when i tried to restart X it didnt load the nvidia drivers properly
[06:35] <punkass> say = said
[06:35] <punkass> tho i am not sure how u got back into gnome without haveing the module loaded
[06:35] <fabbione> punkass: that's why i wrote "modprobe nvidia" first
[06:36] <punkass> yeah thats what i did
[06:36] <fabbione> you need to stop/start gdm
[06:36] <fabbione> or whatever login manager you use
[06:36] <fabbione> a restart will not work
[06:36] <punkass> ah...cuz ctl-alt-backspace wont do that
[06:36] <fabbione> nope
[06:36] <punkass> that would have done it then
[06:36] <Roxim> so, do I just need to execute "modprobe nvidia" then restart gdm?
[06:36] <fabbione> that kills X server but doesn't reload the config
[06:37] <fabbione> Roxim: yes. /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[06:37] <fabbione> and
[06:37] <fabbione> Roxim: /etc/init.d/gdm start
[06:37] <Roxim> ok, thanks, i'll give that a shot
[06:38] <Greensky> is there a faq anywhere on the dif. between debian & ubuntu?
[06:38] <punkass> fabbione: you know when the nvidia-glx for 64bit will be ready?
[06:38] <Wsquared> Hey, is there a CD burner installed with ubuntu?
[06:39] <punkass> part of natulius
[06:39] <Wsquared> I don't see one in the Applications menu.
[06:39] <punkass> it doesnt do music..but can do isos and data
[06:39] <fabbione> punkass: as soon as I can: a) upload X ubuntu19 to fix a bunch of bugs 2) fix the nvidia-glx-config script to config/deconfig the nvidia binary driver 3) someone will donate me an amd64 with an nvidia card to test it
[06:40] <fabbione> (kidding about point 3)
[06:40] <punkass> if you put in a blank cd i believe it will open up a window where u can drag files to
[06:40] <punkass> haha
[06:40] <punkass>  ok cool..just a buddy of mine wants to installed ubuntu on his amd64 and wants his nvidia card goin
[06:40] <chutwig> looks like i'll have to reinstall tomorrow
[06:40] <chutwig> dpkg seems entirely unable to resolve this problem
[06:41] <fabbione> chutwig: which problem?
[06:41] <fabbione> dpkg is not meant to solve problems..
[06:41] <fabbione> apt-get is
[06:41] <punkass> apt-get -f install
[06:41] <chutwig> fabbione: the one where the hard drive controller blew up halfway through the install and a lot of packages got corrupted in the middle of installing
[06:41] <chutwig> apt-get just farted around and didn't fix anything
[06:42] <fabbione> chutwig: oh.. hmmmmm
[06:42] <chutwig> so i have about 20 bum packages that are stuck and can't be purged
[06:42] <fabbione> chutwig: the easiest is to reinstall
[06:42] <fabbione> the funny part would eb to solve the problem
[06:42] <chutwig> that's the plan
[06:42] <punkass> fabbione: would he run into troubles if he wants to install the driver from nvidia site?
[06:43] <chutwig> you'd think purging would overrule everything, but apparently not
[06:43] <fabbione> punkass: no, i use the same package to build our nvidia driver, but there is no point in it...
[06:43] <punkass> just needs kernel source/headers?
[06:43] <fabbione> oh well yeah there might be problems
[06:43] <fabbione> punkass: i used to build the driver myself
[06:44] <fabbione> but than i noticed a bunch of problems related to libraries
[06:44] <fabbione> that a normal user will never see
[06:44] <punkass> oh..so u r going to have them up pretty quick then (day or so)?
[06:44] <fabbione> like some packages that will start to fail to build from sources
[06:44] <punkass> ah
[06:44] <fabbione> punkass: ???
[06:44] <fabbione> pretty quickly what?
[06:44] <punkass> the glx package
[06:44] <fabbione> there are glx packages for i386
[06:44] <punkass> for amd64
[06:44] <fabbione> if you are talking about amd64, no.. they won't be quick
[06:45] <punkass> thats why i was wondering about him building it himself from the nvidia site drivers
[06:45] <fabbione> they can install from the nvidia site
[06:45] <burnboy> hrm..so is there any special way to upgrade the kernel for ubuntu?
[06:45] <fabbione> and remove them later
[06:45] <punkass> ok cool
[06:45] <fabbione> punkass: what i don't understand is this fever about the nvidia binary drivers
[06:45] <fabbione> they only have 3D
[06:46] <punkass> games..
[06:46] <punkass> unreal etc
[06:46] <fabbione> yeah well.. in that case most of these guys won't need to build Xfree86 or pyopengl from sources
[06:46] <fabbione> so there is no real harm in them to install from the nvidia site and upgrade later
[06:46] <punkass> ok
[06:47] <punkass> i know the nvidia installer is pretty staight forward
[06:47] <fabbione> yeah but it messes a lot with the system if you don't know how to use it in advanced option
[06:47] <fabbione> specially the TLS library part
[06:47] <punkass> ah
[06:48] <fabbione> s/option/mode
[06:48] <punkass> he said he had a max res at 1024 too and a big black border around the screen..so i thought the official drivers would help
[06:49] <dieman> ok, so that nvidia-glx-config script isn't in the archive yet?
[06:49] <dieman> what does it do?
[06:49] <fabbione> dieman: no, not yet..
[06:49] <dieman> or i guess my mirror might not have it yet
[06:49] <dieman> ok
[06:49] <dieman> could you summarize what it does?
[06:49] <fabbione> dieman: it reconfigure X and load teh nvidia module properly
[06:50] <fabbione> nothing impressing really :-9
[06:50] <fabbione> ok i am back to fix some stuff
[06:50] <dieman> does it end up modifying the links for gl libs and glx modules?
[06:50] <dieman> or is that doen by the package
[06:50] <dieman> ?
[06:50] <fabbione> punkass: point him to http://people.no-name-yet.com/~fabbione/nv/amd64
[06:50] <dieman> or does it merely just change nv to nvidia in the config?
[06:50] <fabbione> punkass: and tell him to stick these 2 files in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/
[06:51] <fabbione> dieman: they are like the nvidia packages in debian. + they have the simple config script to enable/disable the nvidia binary driver
[06:51] <fabbione> both for X and the kernel
[06:51] <dieman> if its just changing the debconf answers, good -- doesn't break my method of just changing the discover1-data for nvidia cards to be able to use the binary drivers.
[06:51] <punkass> ok will do..hes not around right now but ill tell him when he is
[06:52] <fabbione> dieman: yes it preseed debconf and rebuild the config
[06:52] <dieman> ok
[06:52] <dieman> cool
[06:52] <dieman> thanks
[06:52] <fabbione> dieman: no s/nv/nvidia/ or strange stuff
[06:52] <dieman> still need to worry about not installing nvidia-glx on non-nvidia boxes, but thats no huge deal
[06:52] <dieman> i just handle that with cfengine at the moment.
[06:55] <fabbione> dieman: well it's harmless
[06:55] <dieman> eh?
[06:55] <punkass> fabbione: what do those 2 files do?
[06:55] <dieman> when i had nvidia-glx installed on machines that needed to use dri they never seemed to work right.
[06:56] <dieman> but that was with the daniels xf86 4.3 packages too (pre-xfs) so that might be borkage from that angle
[06:56] <dieman> pre-xsf
[06:56] <dieman> rather
[06:56] <dieman> (pre x strike force 4.3 packages)
[06:56] <daniels> i blame branden
[06:56] <dieman> hehe
[06:56] <dieman> ok
[06:56] <daniels> since fabio wasn't around then
[06:56] <dieman> good deal
[06:56] <daniels> now I can just blame Fabio
[06:57] <fabbione> i can blame upstream when it will not work with X.org
[06:57] <fabbione> :-)
[06:57] <dieman> oh well, i'll test that sort of stuff when I get our install setup.
[06:57] <dieman> that will be days away, as it involves d-i hackng
[06:57] <dieman> hacking
[06:58] <dieman> and i'll have to become more familiar with d-i
[06:58] <daniels> fabbione: heh :)
[06:58] <dieman> at one point
[06:58] <dieman> we can all just show up in front of jim gettys and kieth packard and start complaining!
[06:59] <dieman> *but why doesn't feature XYZ work right?!*
[06:59] <dieman> ;)
[07:00] <dieman> i've got a webcam pointed at our new puppies, using helix server tho :|
[07:00] <dieman> wish the theora stuff was easy enough to use right now
[07:01] <Roxim> punkass: I ran "modprobe nvidia", rebooted for safety, and the Xserver was broken.  I switched to vesa.  the log complained about the module not being loaded when it broke.  How would I go about loading the module?
[07:03] <punkass> did u edit /etc/modules
[07:03] <punkass> just add   nvidia  to the bottom of /etc/modules
[07:03] <Roxim> Exact errors as follows...:(EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!
[07:03] <Roxim> (EE) NVIDIA(0):  *** Aborting ***; (WW) Warning, couldn't open module GLcore
[07:03] <Roxim> ok
[07:03] <punkass> that will make it load on bootup
[07:04] <subterrific> modprobe nvidia will load it until reboot
[07:04] <punkass> and remember to change back to "nvidia" from vesa
[07:04] <subterrific> you need to add it to /etc/modules if you want it loaded at boot time
[07:05] <Roxim> ok then
[07:05] <jmhodges> finally!
[07:05] <jmhodges> ok whew..
[07:06] <jmhodges> ok folks, i'm a deb newb but is there anything especially handy to install with a fresh ubuntu system?
[07:06] <Roxim> ok, added to /etc/modules, changed vesa back to nvidia
[07:06] <Roxim> thanks again!
[07:06] <punkass> no prob
[07:07] <mdz> sladen: ping?
[07:12] <subterrific> jmhodges: i found it useful to go into Preferences->Repositories in Synaptic and turn on the repositories that have universe in the sections.
[07:12] <jmhodges> subterrific: ah, good idea
[07:12] <subterrific> gives you a lot more packages to choose from
[07:12] <subterrific> what i did was turn off the 1st and 2nd repos and turn on 3rd and 4th
[07:12] <subterrific> if that makes sense...
[07:13] <subterrific> then do a refresh
[07:13] <jmhodges> ok cool
[07:14] <jmhodges> wow, i had heard about synaptic and played with a synaptic wannabe on my zaurus.. but damn.. thats nice
[07:14] <jmhodges> subterrific: hmm. ok
[07:16] <jmhodges> damn, even bicycle repairman is already installed.. i'm loving this distro
[07:16] <subterrific> its amazing isn't it?
[07:16] <jmhodges> yeah!
[07:17] <jmhodges> it being centered around gnome and python just seals the deal for me
[07:18] <jmhodges> hm.. what pkg does gvim come in? i can't seem to .. oh perhaps..
[07:18] <mdz> jmhodges: vim-gnome
[07:18] <jmhodges> thanks mdz
[07:19] <jmhodges> just searching for gvim was turning up nada
[07:19] <jmhodges> ah, theres the rub.. vim-gnome doesn't seem to be in the repositories i have. natch
[07:20] <subterrific> yeah, and gnome is really starting to show some polish
[07:20] <jmhodges> heh, right refresh
[07:20] <jmhodges> subterrific: very much so 
[07:21] <jmhodges> subterrific: i've been playing with gnome 2.7  for a few months, and it just kept getting faster and more complete
[07:24] <subterrific> when i switched from mac os x to gentoo i went with kde, but about 6 months into using kde, i got tired of plastik and started looking for nicer themes, but everything was for gtk, so i tried gnome one day and never went back to kde
[07:24] <jmhodges> hehe
[07:25] <subterrific> oh, and i was doing some python development at the time, and i wanted to make a simple cross-platform gui and Qt/Win isn't free
[07:25] <jmhodges> wow, i'm not used to having a system without gcc in the base install heh
[07:25] <subterrific> so i went with PyGTK for that too
[07:25] <jmhodges> subterrific: nice
[07:25] <subterrific> actually, i used wxPython, which uses GTK
[07:26] <subterrific> jmhodges: yeah, i think its for security and because ubuntu is more of a desktop OS
[07:26] <jmhodges> yeah, and thats what i figured
[07:26] <jmhodges> i've been using src based distros for something like 3-4 years
[07:26] <jmhodges> heh
[07:27] <subterrific> yeah i really like gentoo, you need a fast machine for it though
[07:27] <subterrific> or a bunch of machines running distcc
[07:28] <jmhodges> hehe, i never did get around to playing with gentoo but the experiences i've had with src based taught me a ton..
[07:28] <jmhodges> subterrific: definitely a lot of waiting for things to be installed
[07:28] <calc> LFS is probably better to learn from
[07:29] <jmhodges> evolution and mozilla compiles are not things you want to see :)
[07:29] <subterrific> yeah, i run it on my athlon64, which is a beast when it comes to compiling code
[07:29] <jmhodges> calc: well true, but i was a linux newb going into them.. there was a certain level i couldn't breach :)
[07:29] <jmhodges> subterrific: nice
[07:29] <calc> ok :)
[07:29] <bur[n] er> anyone try using ubuntu sources to apt-get from with a debian install?
[07:29] <subterrific> it does the linux kernel in about 5 minutes and xorg in about 25
[07:29] <jmhodges> bur[n] er: its had "mixed results"
[07:30] <bur[n] er> i'm doing it myself :)
[07:30] <jmhodges> subterrific: damn, very nice
[07:30] <bur[n] er> lots of issues and apt-get -f install and dpkg --force-overwrite being done
[07:30] <jmhodges> i've nearly killed the thing a couple of times
[07:30] <jmhodges> bur[n] er: ouch
[07:30] <jmhodges> that sounds like pain
[07:31] <bur[n] er> kinda
[07:31] <bur[n] er> but i have gnome 2.8 now :)
[07:31] <bur[n] er> that was my goal
[07:31] <bur[n] er> testing the hal stuff now
[07:31] <bur[n] er> and it doesn't pop an icon on my desktop like i wanted
[07:31] <jmhodges> ah, gotcha
[07:32] <subterrific> hal doesn't know anything about your desktop
[07:32] <subterrific> that is gnome-volume-manager's job i believe
[07:32] <bur[n] er> no, that's what i mean
[07:32] <bur[n] er> the gnome-volume-manager isn't doing it
[07:32] <subterrific> do you have dbus running?
[07:32] <jmhodges> hmm.. ok i know im getting into weird licensing crap.. but blackdown is not in repositories because..? licensing?
[07:32] <calc> jmhodges: java is so non-free it can't go into non-free
[07:33] <jmhodges> hm.. i thought blackdown was.. well, alrighty then
[07:33] <subterrific> jmhodges: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian
[07:33] <mdz> java has an evil license which prohibits mixing it with other software which implements java
[07:33] <jmhodges> right
[07:33] <jmhodges> subterrific: and i was just clicking htere when you posted it heh
[07:34] <bur[n] er> i think so
[07:34] <bur[n] er> one sec on dbus
[07:34] <subterrific> hal and gnome-volume-manager communicate through dbus i think
[07:34] <bur[n] er> dbus-daemon-1 --system is running
[07:34] <subterrific> k
[07:34] <bur[n] er> and hal is running
[07:34] <bur[n] er> and i checked the dbus stuff
[07:34] <bur[n] er> i only tested with a data cd so far
[07:35] <bur[n] er> but i was hoping it would pop an icon on the desktop for it
[07:35] <bur[n] er> kinda like a mac :)
[07:35] <subterrific> it does that for me
[07:35] <subterrific> i mean no icon on the desktop, but it opens a nautilus window
[07:35] <jmhodges> holy hell, no waiting, and it Just Works
[07:35] <subterrific> ubuntu disabled volume icons on the desktopo
[07:37] <bur[n] er> i saw that
[07:37] <bur[n] er> :\
[07:37] <bur[n] er> i dislike that
[07:37] <Se7h> xish 6.37am
[07:37] <Se7h> gotta get some sleep
[07:37] <subterrific> well its a personal preference thing, but i like it
[07:37] <subterrific> i'm not sure how good it is for new users though
[07:38] <bur[n] er> my trash is gone
[07:38] <Hmmmmm_> hi guys
[07:38] <jmhodges> bur[n] er: no it isnt, check out the bottom right hand corner
[07:38] <subterrific> i even disable volume icons in mac os
[07:38] <jmhodges> the trash can applet
[07:38] <Hmmmmm_> how simple is it for a fedora user to iunstall ubuntu?
[07:38] <subterrific> Hmmmmm_: very easy
[07:38] <Hmmmmm_> is there a good partitioning util in it?
[07:38] <subterrific> i'm much happier with ubuntu than i was with fedora
[07:38] <Hmmmmm_> like in mandrake?
[07:39] <bur[n] er> jmhodges: it's not there
[07:39] <bur[n] er> oh, it's an applet?
[07:39] <bur[n] er> bleh
[07:39] <jmhodges> bur[n] er: yep
[07:39] <subterrific> Hmmmmm_: yes, the installer has a partition tool
[07:39] <Hmmmmm_> whihc tool?
[07:39] <subterrific> bur[n] er: you can turn those icons back on
[07:39] <jmhodges> Hmmmmm_: its not pretty but its easy to use
[07:39] <Hmmmmm_> ok
[07:39] <Hmmmmm_> then i might use my mdk CD to partition be fore installing ubuntu
[07:40] <Hmmmmm_> is there an install manual somewhere?
[07:40] <mdz> yes
[07:40] <bur[n] er> hrm... i don't have a trash applet
[07:40] <subterrific> Hmmmmm_: you don't really need one, its like installing windows or macos :)
[07:40] <bur[n] er> maybe i have to apt-get it still
[07:40] <subterrific> put the cd in, reboot
[07:40] <Hmmmmm_> iv never installed windoze
[07:40] <mdz> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/helpcenter_view
[07:40] <bur[n] er> subterrific: where do i turn it back on?
[07:40] <Hmmmmm_> thnx
[07:40] <mdz> Ubuntu is much easier to install than Windows
[07:41] <jmhodges> bur[n] er: no, its installed by default
[07:41] <jmhodges> bur[n] er: ther burner i mean
[07:41] <jmhodges> fsck, the APPLET not the burner
[07:41] <subterrific> bur[n] er: run gconf-editor and in /apps/nautilus/desktop
[07:41] <jmhodges> its name is Trash Applet
[07:41] <bur[n] er> jmhodges: i believe you, but i am coming from debian
[07:41] <bur[n] er> i dont' have it
[07:41] <bur[n] er> i swear to you
[07:41] <jmhodges> Ohhhh
[07:41] <Hmmmmm_> is it simple to install than debian?
[07:41] <jmhodges> bur[n] er: sorry, totally forgot
[07:42] <jmhodges> Hmmmmm_: very much so, but the last time i tried straigh debian was a year and half ago
[07:42] <Hmmmmm_> ok
[07:42] <Hmmmmm_> sounds good
[07:42] <Hmmmmm_> then i'll reboot and be back post-install
[07:42] <Hmmmmm_> thanks guys
[07:42] <subterrific> cool
[07:42] <bur[n] er> well.. it's actually kanotix to begin with
[07:42] <bur[n] er> ;)
[07:42] <jmhodges> ahhh.. 
[07:42] <bur[n] er> debian takes too long
[07:42] <bur[n] er> i like livecds :)
[07:43] <jmhodges> whats the difference between arch-buildpackage and tla-buildpackage?
[07:43] <jmhodges> bur[n] er: hehe
[07:44] <jmhodges> now i heard there was a beta livecd for ubuntu, but i couldnt find it.. just went with the install disk
[07:45] <bur[n] er> i know
[07:45] <bur[n] er> i've known the creator of the ubuntu live cd for awhile ;)  that's how i found out about ubuntu in the first place
[07:45] <bur[n] er> well... and the fact that it was slashdotted last week
[07:45] <jmhodges> ahh nice
[07:49] <jmhodges> oy, i can save configuring postfix for tomorrow
[07:49] <jmhodges> gnight folks
[07:56] <deFrysk> will ubuntu use x.org in the future ?
[07:56] <jmhodges> deFrysk: yes
[07:56] <chutwig> after release
[07:56] <deFrysk> cool
[08:01] <deFrysk> hey alextreme 
[08:01] <alextreme> morning
[08:02] <bur[n] er> does ubuntu make a fancy grub menu if i install it?
[08:02] <bur[n] er> hi alextreme  :)
[08:02] <deFrysk> hows morphix ?
[08:02] <alextreme> going fine, busy :)
[08:02] <deFrysk> cool
[08:20] <pitti> Good morning!
[08:24] <moyogo> good morning
[08:28] <P3L|C4N0> Hi nitcom 
[08:28] <nitcom> hola P3L|C4N0
[08:28] <acceshigh> hi dude's
[08:28] <P3L|C4N0> que parecen bots?
[08:28] <nitcom> pura gente financiada a la vista
[08:29] <nitcom> franceses , italianos
[08:29] <nitcom> jaja
[08:29] <P3L|C4N0> jajaja
[08:29] <nitcom> si , eso te iba decir
[08:29] <acceshigh> cuanto habra pagado ?
[08:29] <nitcom> puros bots
[08:29] <nitcom> se dan cuenta de algo
[08:29] <nitcom> casi nadie tiene ip
[08:29] <nitcom> :)
[08:29] <P3L|C4N0> ni idea seguro compro unas cuantos shells
[08:30] <nitcom> shell hasta de gentoo
[08:30] <nitcom> no se tio
[08:30] <nitcom> viste las screet
[08:30] <nitcom> de ubuntu
[08:30] <P3L|C4N0> si
[08:30] <nitcom> recontra limitado
[08:30] <nitcom> casi nada se puede hacer
[08:30] <P3L|C4N0> esta en sus inicios
[08:30] <nitcom> lo bueno gnome 2.8+evolution 2.0
[08:30] <nitcom> osea nada
[08:31] <P3L|C4N0> bueno...
[08:31] <P3L|C4N0> no se a veces pienso para que tantas distros
 no se a veces pienso para que tantas distros<-- para las guerras santas
[08:32] <acceshigh> :
[08:32] <acceshigh> :)
[08:32] <P3L|C4N0> ja ja ja
[08:32] <P3L|C4N0> me alistare para la cruzada
[08:32] <nitcom> para la fanaticada y para que algunos egocentricos digan : "hey soy geek "
[08:32] <P3L|C4N0> quien sera el Papa?
[08:32] <P3L|C4N0> Stallman?
[08:33] <nitcom> P3L|C4N0, acceshigh que dicen apoyamos al tio arauko con su distro
[08:33] <nitcom> tiene otra filosofia distinta de instalacion
[08:33] <nitcom> ya no usa nautilius
[08:33] <P3L|C4N0> bluewall?
[08:33] <nitcom> asi que facilmente puedes instalar tu 486 con el kernel 2.6
[08:33] <nitcom> sip
[08:33] <nitcom> es del tio arauko
[08:34] <P3L|C4N0> por que no
[08:34] <P3L|C4N0> esta en algo nuevo con su distro?
[08:34] <jmhodges> hey, im hoping to play with eclipse.. does anyone know of a repository with it up?
[08:34] <acceshigh> :O
[08:36] <acceshigh> sux
[08:37] <hans_> eclipse is in Debian somewhere (unstable/testing)
[08:38] <crimsun> Installed: 2.1.3-4
[08:38] <crimsun> 500 http://http.us.debian.org sid/contrib Packages
[08:38] <moyogo> eclipse 3.0 isn't yet
[08:38] <jmhodges> ah, thanks guys
[08:39] <hans_> totem-gstreamer with avi or mpeg: sound is there but no video, how to fix yhay ?
[08:39] <moyogo> install totem-xine
[08:39] <hans_> that means Debian
[08:39] <hans_> universe
[08:40] <moyogo> brb
[08:42] <cgdef> as far as I can tell ubuntu is supposed to have reiser4 support (mkfs.reiser4 is installed) however when I try to mount a reiser4 drive I get an error message about missing kernel support
[08:43] <cgdef> is this supposed to happen or I have messed something up?
[09:02] <pills> is there a site with a list of supported wireless pcmcia cards for ubuntu?
[09:03] <maya|gone> use ndiswrapper
[09:03] <pills> :/
[09:04] <mdz> pills: not currently, but if you ask about a specific card, you might get a response from someone who has tried it
[09:04] <jdub> pills: what do you have?
[09:04] <pills> belkin f5d6020
[09:07] <bur[n] er> so here's a questin... if there's no root user... how do i type a root password when it prompts me from a gksu?
[09:07] <bur[n] er> like when i hit "computer" "system" "networking"
[09:08] <maya|gone> use your user password
[09:08] <bur[n] er> oh :)
[09:20] <mdz> daniels: ping
[09:22] <bur[n] er> awww... there's no beep-media-player in ubuntu?!?!?   i cant' live without it
[09:23] <phlaegel> beep is in universe
[09:32] <plovs_> I am still playing with my usb-key. If I plug in a key, should it automount and open a window? Or must I always use pmount?
[09:33] <subterrific> plovs_: i think the idea is that it automounts, but hal is still pretty new
[09:34] <mdz> plovs_: yes, it should
[09:35] <mdz> plovs_: if it doesn't, file a bug or talk to pitti
[09:36] <plovs_> pitti, YO Pitti!
[09:36] <pitti> plovs_: Hi!
[09:36] <plovs_> :)
[09:36] <plovs_> how can I debug hal? my key does not get automounted, but works ok
[09:37] <plovs_> is there some sort of a hardware database?
[09:37] <bur[n] er> wtf is pmount?
[09:37] <pitti> plovs_: as long it's a normal USB stick with a common file system, it should work
[09:37] <plovs_> bur[n] er, pmount is like mount but you don't have to be root and is nicer to use
[09:37] <pitti> plovs_: did you install the preview from scratch or did you upgrade?
[09:38] <bur[n] er> huh, i'm intrigued
[09:38] <plovs_>  preview from scratch, and updated 5 minutes ago
[09:38] <subterrific> bur[n] er: pmount is for mounting removable media with hal
[09:38] <bur[n] er> next questino... why didnt ubuntu see my fat32 partition and put it in my 'computer' area?
[09:38] <pitti> bur[n] er: yep, this pmount is better than letting hal run as root and have it mess up fstab
[09:38] <pitti> bur[n] er: we currently don't automatically mount partitions from fixed discs
[09:39] <pitti> bur[n] er: we should certainly do that at least for VFAT/NTFS partitions
[09:39] <bur[n] er> it doesnt' ven show up that i can mount it though
[09:39] <pitti> bur[n] er: I already submitted a bug about this
[09:39] <bur[n] er> well good :)
[09:39] <pitti> plovs_: are you in group plugdev?
[09:40] <pitti> plovs_: what do you mean with "works ok"? Can you pmount it?
[09:40] <plovs_> pitti, yes, plovs and hal are
[09:40] <pitti> plovs_: if you do pmount /dev/sda1 (or so), does it work?
[09:40] <plovs_> pitti, pmount /dev/sda usb-key works, yes
[09:41] <pitti> plovs_: ah, you don't have partitions on that thing?
[09:41] <plovs_> pitti, whith another key  pmount /dev/sda1 usb-key, works
[09:41] <pitti> plovs_: this is a known bug in hal, it cannot detect partitionless volumes
[09:41] <pitti> plovs_: this other key does not get mounted automatically as well?
[09:42] <plovs_> pitti, :( nope
[09:42] <plovs_> :) but for the rest they work ok
[09:42] <pitti> plovs_: bad. Can you please pull it out, open the Device Manager, plug it back in and see what happens?
[09:43] <plovs_> so it's not *really* a problem, it just would be nice, I mean if windows can do it, we should do better
[09:43] <plovs_> pitti, which one?
[09:43] <Greensky> is there a ubuntu forum?
[09:43] <victorhooi> Sorry, just a quick question: how do I get ubuntu to boot to command line rather than x (without removing xdm, which all the posts on the net seem to say to do) - need to do this to install vmware-tools.
[09:43] <plovs_> sda or sda1
[09:43] <victorhooi> Thanks in advance =).
[09:43] <pitti> plovs_: just try both.
[09:44] <pitti> plovs_: with sda1, there  should appear a new "Volume" node in DevManager
[09:44] <Greensky> victorhooi, look in /etc/inittab
[09:44] <Greensky> victorhooi, (this is how you do it in most linux distros)
[09:44] <victorhooi> yeah, i know that for redhat based distros (rh, fedora, mandrake) etc.
[09:44] <victorhooi> runlevel 5 is x
[09:44] <Greensky> victorhooi, look for a line like:   "id:5:initdefault:"
[09:44] <victorhooi> but debian is different
[09:44] <victorhooi> (not even like Slackware, which is BSD-based)
[09:44] <Greensky> oh... sorry
[09:44] <fabbione> victorhooi: you can either edit /etc/init.d/xdm
[09:44] <fabbione> and put a exit 0 at the second line
[09:44] <plovs_> pitti, pull sda out, dissapears, put back in, light blinks, appears (like magic!) in the device-manager
[09:45] <fabbione> victorhooi: or check upgrade-rc.d man page to remove xdm from starting
[09:45] <victorhooi> yeah, I know I tried that (read it on mailing list archive =) ),
[09:45] <Greensky> is there an ubuntu forum yet or just a wiki?
[09:45] <pitti> plovs_: the device itself should appear, but as long as it does not have a "Volume" node, gnome does not see it
[09:45] <victorhooi> fabbione: unfortunately, it flashes, and starts up gdm (arrgh, refuses to die *grin*)
[09:45] <pitti> plovs_: if you plug in the other USB stick (with partition), does it have a "Volume" node?
[09:45] <fabbione> victorhooi: disable both :-)
[09:46] <subterrific> what is the proper way to unmount a volume that has been mounted by hal? just umount?
[09:46] <plovs_> pitti, it does have a volume node called TS256MJF2L
[09:46] <Greensky> victorhooi, I'de look for whatever tells gdm to start at boot (unfortunately I use fedora/gentoo so I dono bout debian)
[09:46] <pitti> plovs_: this is the label?
[09:46] <mdz> victorhooi: in Debian-based systems, runlevel 1 is single-user and 2-5 are multi-user.  2-5 are identical by default, and can be customised by the admin
[09:46] <pitti> plovs_: the node in the left tree should be called "Volume"
[09:46] <victorhooi> fabbione: cheers, I'll try reading the upgrade-rc.d man page - just sub in gdm for gdm
[09:46] <pills> when i try and do a make install for ndiswrapper i get /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-2-386/build not found...do i need to have the source installed?
[09:47] <pitti> plovs_: if you click on it and select the advanced tab, can you please look for block.is_volume?
[09:47] <victorhooi> mdz: thanks, good to see diff. ways of doing things (IMHO prefer Slackware's BSD style)
[09:47] <pitti> plovs_: and block.device?
[09:47] <subterrific> too many people with names starting with p[il] 
[09:47] <subterrific> getting confusing
[09:47] <mdz> victorhooi: if you like that style, look at the file-rc package in universe
[09:48] <plovs_> pitti,  block.is_volum  int 0,  block.device /dev/sda
[09:48] <pitti> plovs_: that's the problem. is_volume must be 1 to recognize it as a mountable thingy
[09:48] <pitti> plovs_: same thing for sda1?
[09:48] <plovs_> pitti, let me try
[09:50] <plovs_> pitti, IT OPENED A WINDOW! what did you do to my computer! 
[09:50] <pitti> plovs_: black magic...
[09:50] <pitti> plovs_: close it again immediately, before it gets cold :-)
[09:50] <plovs_> pitti, very weird ...
[09:50] <pitti> plovs_: so only the partitionless stick is not recognized?
[09:51] <plovs_> pitti, I unmounted it, pulled it out, put it back in and after a minute it appears, where does the time-out come from?
[09:52] <pitti> plovs_: a _minute_?
[09:52] <plovs_> pitti, the partition-less one does not work
[09:52] <pitti> plovs_: that should be some seconds
[09:52] <pitti> plovs_: partitionless is a known bug
[09:52] <bur[n] er> any plans for a fancy grub menu and a bootsplash in next release??
[09:52] <plovs_> pitti, well, It might be 10 seconds or so ... it feels like a minute though :)
[09:52] <plovs_> pitti, maybe 5 seconds
[09:53] <pitti> plovs_: 5 seconds is reasonable
[09:53] <pitti> plovs_: this USB magic cannot be made much faster
[09:53] <plovs_> pitti, so I just make a partition whith fdisk or so?
[09:53] <pitti> plovs_: if you want to have it mounted automatically, this is a good idea
[09:54] <pitti> plovs_: also, older windows version do not get along without partitions, so it is really a good idea
[09:54] <plovs_> pitti, why not on XP it is pretty fast (not that I like XP, but it shows it is technically possible) The second one is usb1, though
[09:54] <pitti> plovs_: yes, it works on XP
[09:54] <pitti> plovs_: but not on 98, don't know about 2000
[09:54] <plovs_> pitti, you're the MAN (I suppose)!
[09:55] <plovs_> pitti, I'll make partitions and report back
[09:56] <pitti> plovs_: well, one partition should usually be enough :-)
[09:56] <victorhooi> fabbione: errr, slight prob.
[09:56] <victorhooi> fabbione: man upgrade-rc.d returns null
[09:56] <plovs_> pitti, should I make partitions with XP or linux?
[09:56] <pitti> plovs_: that really does not make any difference
[09:56] <victorhooi> fabbione: locate doesn't seem to find any upgrade-rc.d script
[09:57] <pitti> plovs_: cfdisk /dev/sda is certainly fine
[09:57] <fabbione> man update-rc.d 
[09:57] <pitti> plovs_: although all partitioning programs may get confused by the data that is already on the stick, when they try to interpret it as a partition table
[09:57] <fabbione> the script has to be execute with sudo
[09:57] <pitti> plovs_: just tell me if it does not work
[09:57] <fabbione> sorry.. upgrade <- update
[10:00] <subterrific> yikes
[10:00] <subterrific> my usb mouse just stopped working
[10:00] <subterrific> i was copying files from a usb drive and it gave me an error
[10:01] <victorhooi> fabbione: found the man page =). Sorry, but I'm kinda lost now...can you remeber the exact command to boot to command line rather than x?
[10:05] <fabbione> victorhooi: as i wrote before.. you need to disable X to startup. ubuntu/debian do not have a specific runlevel to disable X
[10:08] <pills> anybody successfully install ndiswrapper on ubuntu yet?
[10:08] <victorhooi> fabbione: umm, ok, sorry to bug you, but could you assume I'm a n00b.
[10:08] <victorhooi> cheers =).
[10:09] <fabbione> victorhooi: eheh ok :-))) 
[10:09] <fabbione> victorhooi: sudo update-rc.d -f xdm
[10:09] <fabbione> victorhooi: sudo update-rc.d -f gdm
[10:09] <fabbione> this will avoid X to start at boot
[10:09] <fabbione> forever
[10:10] <victorhooi> fabbione: then to restore gdm?
[10:11] <fabbione> victorhooi: update-rc.d gdm defaults 99 01
[10:11] <fabbione> but that's valid only for gdm
[10:11] <fabbione> be careful
[10:11] <victorhooi> that's very reassuring =).
[10:11] <victorhooi> is there a safer way you could recommend?
[10:12] <fabbione> it is safe.. the "be careful" is related to the fact that the values there are ok for gdm only
[10:12] <victorhooi> how did you figure them out? (in case I need to for a different display manager in future)
[10:13] <fabbione> victorhooi: well.. it's not always the same but i looked into /var/lib/dpkg/info/gdm.postinst and checked how it calls update-rc.d
[10:14] <punkass> pills: i have it installed but yet to try it on a wifi network
[10:15] <pills> punkass: do u know why i get this message "/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-2-386/build: No such file or directory"
[10:16] <fabbione> pills: apt-get install linux-kernel-headers-2.6.8.1-2-386
[10:17] <victorhooi> fabbione: fair enough - perhaps we should put this in the wiki? (arrrgh, vmware b0rked out with sync error, I think I'll start from scratch =) )
[10:17] <victorhooi> fabbione: thanks a lot for your help
[10:17] <victorhooi> fabbione: now i know who to bug in future (*grin*)
[10:17] <punkass> yes...you are tring to use the deb packages?
[10:18] <punkass> pills: its actually alot simpler that it seems
[10:18] <punkass> that = than
[10:21] <pills> fabbione will just linux-kernel-headers work?
[10:21] <pills> nm
[10:25] <pills> fabbione cant find package for kernel version...is there a good apt source that would have it?
[10:27] <fabbione> pills: all the kernel packages are in sync. there has been a kernel update recently, so you might want to update first
[10:27] <pills> heheh nm..3rd time is a charm --> linux-headers
[10:27] <fabbione> and sync everything
[10:27] <pills> linux-headers-2.6.8.1.-2-386
[10:28] <rburton> fabbione: so i fixed my really-fast-mouse problem
[10:28] <fabbione> linux-headers-2.6.8.1-2-386
[10:28] <fabbione> rburton: yes.. i have the fix pending
[10:28] <pills> yeah typo
[10:29] <pills> just took me a sec to find
[10:29] <rburton> fabbione: it was due to XF86Config have psmouse and /dev/input/mouse in
[10:29] <fabbione> rburton: remove the mouse section with the /dev/psaux
[10:29] <rburton> fabbione: :)
[10:29] <fabbione> rburton: yes.. i just commited the fix to svn
[10:29] <fabbione> i will try to upload sometime during today
[10:29] <rburton> fab
[10:29] <fabbione> i need to test a huge bunch of changes
[10:31] <fabbione> already 79 lines of changelog
[10:31] <rburton> wowzer
[10:31] <plovs_> pitti, it is finally done, first I erased the partition-table by creating a file-system: mkfs.fat32 -I /dev/sda, then I created /dev/sda1, then I created a filesystem on sda1, now it works. It even automounts, in about ten seconds
[10:32] <pitti> plovs_: great
[10:33] <pitti> plovs_: ten seconds is still very long, on my box it usually lasts 5
[10:33] <pitti> plovs_: btw, creating a fs on /dev/sda is not exactly necessary
[10:36] <plovs_> pitti, I used that to erase the existing table, fdisk complained about having to reboot, and then after rebooting I could not make a filesystem. Anyway, now it works.
[10:36] <pitti> plovs_: ah. I usually clean a device by dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda1 :-)
[10:37] <pitti> plovs_: but if it works, its fine
[10:37] <plovs_> pitti, I have a superstitious fear of dd after I made a typo with it once ...
[10:38] <plovs_> pitti, will you put an icon on the desktop or something somewhere for automounted devices? 
[10:38] <plovs_> pitti, it kind of a pain to umount
[10:38] <MrPiddles> Well I tried all methods of instlaling the ati drivers even in source with the kernel source or the headers or deb packages. Same result everytime. Can't load fglrx module and DRI keeps wondering off about /dev/card0/dri. Anyone has this problem?
[10:38] <pitti> plovs_: https://bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=980
[10:39] <pitti> plovs_: but just ripping the stick out usually works
[10:39] <pitti> plovs_: usually = if no application accesses it any more
[10:39] <MrPiddles> As of now I have no direct rendering but I do have acceleration with the ati drivers. Radeon 9600 pro. Any luck anyone to get them to direct render?
[10:39] <plovs_> pitti, oooh, that is higher voodoo! must try
[10:40] <pitti> plovs_: it is, but we added that possibility since many users will do that anyway
[10:40] <rburton> does ubuntu need to install dm/lvm/etc if i didn't create any lvm partitions on install?
[10:40] <jdub> they're part of base
[10:40] <jdub> but they shouldn't run
[10:40] <jdub> we need to detect whether they're required
[10:41] <jdub> the rationale is that install consistency is pretty important
[10:41] <jdub> so you can rely on stuff being there
[10:41] <jdub> i'm still leaning towards that
[10:41] <rburton> hm, fair enough
[10:42] <rburton> detected and not running would be good
[10:42] <jdub> so some of these things could (quickly!) detect whether they need to even exectue
[10:42] <jdub> such as mdstat
[10:42] <plovs_> pitti, unbelievable, it actually works, good that you added sync as a mount option, now how about the name sda1, how to call it MYCOOLUSBKEYTHATAUTOMOUNTSINLINUX
[10:42] <rburton> btw, i can't shutdown my ubuntu box -- it hangs on Deconfiguring network interfaces
[10:42] <jdub> "grep -q ^md /proc/mdstat" might even be the right answer to that
[10:42] <pitti> plovs_: this is a hoary issue
[10:42] <jdub> but i'm not sure if you can give idiotic names to md devices yet :)
[10:43] <pitti> plovs_: pmount already supports it: pmount /dev/sda1 MYFUCKINGUSBSTICK
[10:43] <pitti> plovs_: but actually managing these labels in a database/on the device really is a hoary thing
[10:43] <pitti> plovs_: but we know about this
[10:43] <MacPlusG3> you can actually start up all your services in the background (instead of serially)
[10:44] <MacPlusG3> which can improve things
[10:45] <plovs_> pitti, I *really* enjoy ubuntu so far, thanks a million, how many hours do we still have to wait for hoary? :) thanks one again.
[10:45] <pitti> plovs_: 13 oct (Warty release) + 6 montsh
[10:45] <pitti> months, even
[10:46] <steve2> Hoary. Nice.
[10:46] <Mayday> is it just my gnome-background-properties that takes alot of cpu?
[10:46] <Mayday> uses 30% on an 1.6GHz while idle
[10:48] <rburton> Mayday: oooh yeah
[10:48] <Mayday> didnt fint anything in bugzilla (might be my sucky search skills thou)
[10:48] <rburton> i bet the thumbnailer idle callback wasn't cancelled properly when it finished
[10:50] <seb128> morning
[10:55] <pitti> seb128: Good morning!
[10:56] <seb128> hello pitti
[11:10] <Mithrandir> seb128: any idea about 1443?
[11:11] <rburton> jdub: any reason why inkscape isn't part of the default install if gimp is?
[11:12] <rburton> jdub: and please consider syncing with inkscape 0.39 :)
[11:16] <truk_away> rburton: because inkscape is qt based
[11:17] <truk_away> and gimp  gtk based
[11:18] <martink> obviously inkscape is not qt based. The "k" is only the third letter
[11:19] <jdub> rburton: inkscape is much harder to use
[11:19] <seb128> Mithrandir: no idea for 1443, sorry
[11:19] <jdub> rburton: it's for a more specialised category of users
[11:20] <togs> where does one find the torrent file?
[11:22] <jdub> seb128: openoffice + mime system -> eeek!
[11:22] <jdub> seb128: what can we do about that?
[11:22] <jdub> i can't open OOo documents from evo or the filesystem
[11:23] <seb128> jdub: why eeek ?
[11:23] <jdub> seb128: nothing works
[11:23] <seb128> it doesn't work from nautilus ?
[11:24] <jdub> nup
[11:24] <rburton> truk_away: erm, inkscape is very gtk
[11:24] <seb128> grep Mime /usr/share/applications/ooo645writer.desktop
[11:24] <seb128> jdub: ^^
[11:24] <jdub> Couldn't display "/home/jdub/Desktop/blah.pps".
[11:24] <jdub> There was an error launching the application.
[11:24] <jdub> MimeType=application/vnd.sun.xml.writer;application/vnd.sun.xml.writer.template;application/vnd.sun.xml.writer.global;application/vnd.stardivision.writer;application/msword;application/vnd.ms-word;application/x-doc;text/rtf
[11:24] <jdub> 
[11:24] <rburton> jdub: oh i dunno. vicky can use inkscape but struggles more with gimp :)
[11:24] <jdub> MimeType=application/vnd.sun.xml.impress;application/vnd.sun.xml.impress.template;application/vnd.stardivision.impress;application/mspowerpoint
[11:28] <seb128> jdub: hum, so that should work
[11:28] <seb128> update-desktop-database helps ?
[11:29] <peterray> hi to all
[11:29] <peterray> sorry 
[11:29] <peterray> hi all
[11:32] <Muttley> is there a page with a list/search of ubuntu packages?
[11:33] <pitti> Muttley: what's wrong with the classical apt-cache search?
[11:33] <Muttley> wouldn't that require having ubuntu installed? :)
[11:34] <Muttley> I'm tempted to move from debian, I wanna check out the available packages first
[11:34] <rburton> Muttley: most of debian is available, but not supported
[11:35] <rburton> "The site "bugzilla.ubuntu.com" returned security information for "bugzilla.no-name-yet.com"."
[11:35] <rburton> i presume someone knows about that?
[11:35] <Muttley> rburton: what about stuff debian doesn't have as standard? mplayer etc
[11:35] <seb128> rburton: yes, there is a bug report about it
[11:37] <jdub> seb128: nup
[11:38] <rburton> Muttley: atm ubuntu doesn't have any non-free stuff in it
[11:38] <Muttley> and no list of packages?
[11:39] <rburton> ftp://ftp.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/
[11:39] <Muttley> so that's a no then
[11:40] <rburton> thats the canonical list :)
[11:40] <Muttley> no worries
[11:40] <jdub> rburton: haw haw ;)
[11:40] <seb128> jdub: which is the mime type of the .pps file ?
[11:41] <seb128> the file you can't open
[11:41] <jdub> boh, should've checked that 8)
[11:41] <jdub> application/vnd.ms-powerpoint
[11:41] <jdub> ahr :)
[11:41] <jdub> there you go
[11:41] <jdub> bong
[11:41] <jdub> seb128: that fixes it
[11:41] <Lowe> Stupid xchat frooze when i was sleeping -_-
[11:42] <jdub> thanks, that was silly of me :)
[11:42] <seb128> no problem :)
[11:42] <jdub> seb128: want me to file a bug?
[11:42] <will|werk> any reason why there arn't any kernel headers for 2.6.8.2-2-k7 in the apt-get ?
[11:42] <seb128> jdub: yes please
[11:42] <seb128> thanks
[11:42] <will|werk> or am i being dumb
[11:42] <will|werk> * 2.6.8.1-2-k7
[11:44] <Muttley> rburton: out of interest, would non-free stuff make it's way into ubuntu in the near future or would it be in the next release?
[11:44] <neill> also there didn't seem to be any kernel headers/images for 2.6.8 in the sources for amd64 even though they are on the install disc
[11:45] <jdub> Muttley: potentially
[11:45] <jono_> hi all
[11:45] <jdub> Muttley: in restricted
[11:45] <Lowe> we need mplayer -_-
[11:45] <Muttley> yeah :)
[11:45] <jono_> jdub, just the man, did you say that devices that are not detected and configured should be filed as bugs?
[11:47] <Muttley> how is ubuntu setup to handle 32bit schtuff on amd64?
[11:47] <Muttley> or would I need to setup my own chroot for 32bit?
[11:48] <jdub> jono_: pretty much
[11:48] <deFrysk> question, is there a root passw ?
[11:48] <deFrysk> I do not seem to have gotten one ?
[11:48] <jdub> Muttley: it's not, there are a few selected libraries that are built for openoffice and friends
[11:48] <jono_> jdub, ok cool
[11:48] <jdub> deFrysk: please see the faq, one sec i'll give you the link
[11:48] <Muttley> jdub: righty ho
[11:49] <deFrysk> jdub, great, tnks
[11:49] <jdub> deFrysk: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.5722653677
[11:49] <jono_> jdub, one of the devices has the source code available outside the kernel - it would be great if that were available as a module :)
[11:49] <jono_> I will file the report now :)
[11:51] <deFrysk> got root now :)
[11:52] <Muttley> are nvidia packages supplied for your stock kernels?
[11:53] <deFrysk> left handed mouse does not work properly ?
[11:53] <deFrysk> <--left handed
[11:56] <jo> Hello. I can't remember entering the root password during the setup. Now I can't su to root anymore. Any ideas? Does Ubuntu use a default root password?
[11:56] <thom> jo: we lock the root password. use sudo :-)
[11:56] <neill> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.5722653677
[11:56] <jo> oh, ok :-)
[11:56] <rburton> nIIIIIIIInja!
[11:57] <ninja> rbuuuuurtooon whoo whoo
[11:57] <rburton> hey ninja
[11:57] <ninja> hi :)
[11:57] <thom> ah, it's the two rosses
[11:58] <thom> hey
[11:59] <ninja> i switched from deb unstable to FC2 a few weeks ago, and I'm desperate to switch back to something debian-based at least
[12:00] <rburton> thom: the Amazing Two Ross' I think you'll find
[12:01] <deFrysk> how can I recofigure xfree86 ? can i just use nano? (or something)
[12:02] <fabbione> dpkg-reconfig xserver-xfree86
[12:02] <thom> rburton: pffft. 
[12:02] <thom> :-)
[12:02] <deFrysk> fabbione, thnks :)
[12:03] <ninja> amazing? not me
[12:04] <deFrysk> fabbione, seems not to work 
[12:05] <mwh_> When I want to install something from src in ubuntu, im not sure what the best way is to do it
[12:05] <mwh_> anyone have some suggestions?
[12:06] <guido_> deFrysk: dpkg-reconfigure
[12:06] <mwh_> I used to use instmon to keep track of the files in LFS
[12:06] <deFrysk> found it :) google saved me hehe
[12:06] <pbor> I just installed ubuntu also on the laptop... perfect!
[12:06] <pbor> however I also have a fat partition, so I added the usual line in fstab and mounted it. When I try to access the fat partition from the shell it works fine, but when I try to open it in nautilus all the files are detected a 0 bytes... ideas?
[12:07] <rburton> mwh_: stow with /usr/local, or /opt/
[12:07] <mwh_> I just installed gcc with synaptic and tried to compile mono, but I get an error saying compiler cannot create executables
[12:08] <jono_> with the ubuntu bugzilla, when I fill in bits of information and leave something out, I get the error, press the back button and my info is lost - is this a bug in bugzilla or firefox?
[12:08] <mwh_> rburton: I store it in my home dir, but I was wondering if there is a tool used in ubuntu to keep track of the files installed, so I can uninstall and upgrade it
[12:08] <petemc> mwh_: you need libc6-dev for that
[12:08] <mwh_> oh
[12:09] <mwh_> hmm seems like gcc is not available
[12:09] <mwh_> ahh its named gcc-3.4
[12:09] <mwh_> petemc, so libc6-dev, make gcc avaiable as gcc and gcc-3.4
[12:09] <mwh_> ?
[12:10] <petemc> mwh_: in debian, the meta package build-essential gets you everything you need
[12:10] <mwh_> petemc, I have libc6-dev installed
[12:11] <mwh_> petemc, maybe I need to make a symlink myself to gcc
[12:11] <Linuxbcn> hi
[12:11] <Linuxbcn> i have a problem with ubundu and my keyword...
[12:12] <moyogo> Linuxbcn: keyword?
[12:12] <truk_away> he means keyboard
[12:12] <Linuxbcn> wen i press a BLOq NUM or BlokMay butons the keiboard not respond
[12:12] <_Hiro_> help, my grub fails with error 15 at stage 1.5 :(
[12:12] <mwh_> petemc, ahh I installed gcc-3.4 I guess I should install gcc instead
[12:12] <Linuxbcn> my keiboard is an genius
[12:12] <mwh_> have fun
[12:13] <Linuxbcn> whats up with this? is normal?
[12:14] <Linuxbcn> i can't test with another keiboard now.. but is a rare bug in this linux distro, no?
[12:14] <Lowe> jono > copy and paste is your friend
[12:15] <jdthood> jordi: ping
[12:15] <Linuxbcn> and another problem have..the USBpen not is posible mount in the system
[12:15] <_Hiro_> anybody else whose ubuntu setup failed to start at boot? grub error 15 at stage 1.5
[12:15] <jono_> it took me three damn times to file that bug
[12:18] <trey_> Is it possible to see a list of the DD's working on Ubuntu?
[12:19] <mojo> hi all ppl, I have a question, how can I create a link PATH to my J2SDK1.4.2 when start up
[12:19] <mojo> hi all ppl, I have a question, how can I create a link PATH to my J2SDK1.4.2 when start up?
[12:19] <trey_> mojo: repeating just makes you annoying... annoying people don't get helped...
[12:20] <ggi> mojo: put an entry in /etc/profile or your users .bash_profile.
[12:20] <mojo> no, I forgot to put in question mark, lol
[12:20] <mojo> in profile, type in export PATH =...? rite?
[12:20] <deFrysk> exept for left handed mouse , sweet setup :)
[12:21] <ggi> mojo: Yep.
[12:21] <mojo> thx ggi, thx thx thx
[12:21] <rburton> mojo: install the blackdown java package and it sets the /usr/bin/java alternative for you
[12:22] <mojo> rbutton: I got Java version installed already, thx anyway
[12:22] <mojo> rburton: Sun version
[12:22] <Lowe> Stupid thing says my password is wrong but it is fucking correct. -_-
[12:23] <rburton> mojo: if all you want is 1.4 the blackdown version will be better
[12:23] <trey_> rburton: I don't suppose there is much chance of Java and perhaps some codecs (ala Marillats packages) getting into Universe? I mean by they can't be any less free then Flash, and most users will want them for the desktop...
[12:23] <ggi> Lowe: You wouldn't be trying to login as root, would you?
[12:23] <mojo> export PATH=/opt/j2sdk1.4.2/bin:/opt/j2sdk1.4.2/jre/bin - correct command or not? Please help
[12:23] <Lowe> Firestarter asks for root password
[12:24] <trey_> Lowe: actually gksu does...
[12:24] <Lowe> I want mplayer ;_;
[12:24] <trey_> Lowe: sudo passwd root  ;)
[12:24] <rburton> trey_: i'm not an ubuntu developer, but java iirc can't be redistributed
[12:24] <Lowe> No it's no ue in this ituation
[12:24] <Lowe> situation*
[12:25] <trey_> Lowe: for now... you can add marillats sources... apt-get.org search for w32codecs or mplayer-nogui etc...
[12:25] <neill> and if having a root passwd but disabling root logins might be better
[12:25] <neill> or something
[12:25] <Lowe> Yeah and all i get is missing dependcys
[12:25] <Lowe> Im not tracking all those suckers down
[12:25] <trey_> rburton: oh, my mistake... you are noted in the wiki a few times so I just kinda figured you were involved...
[12:26] <ggi> mojo: It would be a good idea to put in path as it is before you change it: export PATH="$PATH:/opt/whatever:/opt/gibbons"
[12:27] <Lowe> anyway im gonna grab something to eat
[12:27] <mojo> thx ggi
[12:28] <mojo> ggi: do u know any way to read NTFS without recompiling kerenl on Ubuntu?
[12:29] <Cardador> mojo: i read NTFS normally
[12:29] <Cardador> if your NTFS partitions are not mounted, you need to edit /etc/fstab
[12:29] <mojo> Cardador: I can't read my NTFS partition, dun know y
[12:30] <truk_away> does usb pen devices works well in ubuntu?
[12:30] <truk_away> mojo: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hd** /mnt/*****
[12:30] <M4DbiT> hi
[12:31] <Cardador> truk_away: my usb pen works ok
[12:31] <mojo> thx truk_away
[12:31] <Cardador> just stick it in and its folder open automatically
[12:31] <truk_away> Cardador: do you mount it yourself? or it's authomatic?
[12:31] <truk_away> umm, where? in computer menu?
[12:32] <Cardador> yes
[12:32] <ggi> truk_away: I imagine the Project Utopia stuff should make Ubuntu quite spiffy as far as pen drives are concerned.
[12:32] <truk_away> ok, thx
[12:32] <Cardador> truk_away: the usb pen folder just pops up
[12:32] <truk_away> ah, ok, ok, with hal, isn't it?
[12:32] <Cardador> y
[12:36] <nelson_> anyone willing to help me out with a small (hopefully) samba problem
[12:36] <nelson_> ?
[12:36] <thom> jdub: patch attached to 1249, ok to apply and upload?
[12:37] <nelson_> basically.. using the "connect to server" menu item from "network"
[12:37] <nelson_> its having issues authenticating to a windows 2003 server
[12:38] <lifeless> what is the compatability level in the 2003 server? (I'm guessing it might be set very strictly or something)
[12:39] <hns> nelson: with a 2003 domain controller the user AND the machine has to be autheticated
[12:40] <ggi> rburton: Ripping CDs with sound-juicer puts skips in places that cdparanoia doesn't. Is it just because of the gstreamer overhead?
[12:41] <jdub> thom: commented, approved
[12:42] <nelson_> lifeless: its a default install, so im guessing its not all *that* tight
[12:43] <thom> jdub: also, the fix suggested in 1466 is correct, ok to apply and upload?
[12:43] <lifeless> nelson_: 2003 is meant to be more secure out of the box than any previous product from M$ :). That said, hns may be on the right track: you may need to put your machine in the domain.
[12:43] <lifeless> (assu,ing you have a domain)
[12:43] <trey_> Is trashapplet part of any other distro's? 
[12:43] <jdub> trey_: not yet
[12:44] <jdub> trey_: it will be in gnome 2.10 though
[12:44] <nelson_> lifeless: yep, trying that now
[12:44] <lifeless> jdub: oh, reminds be, bluetooth luv ?
[12:44] <trey_> jdub: yay... I hate icons on the desktop  8-)
[12:44] <jdub> lifeless: see -devel
[12:44] <jdub> thom: commented, approved
[12:44] <lifeless> did you autoscibre folk ?
[12:44] <jdub> thom: we really need that pending status ;)
[12:45] <jdub> lifeless: no
[12:45] <jdub> deb http://people.no-name-yet.com/~jdub/warty ./
[12:45] <jdub> ^ they're in there
[12:45] <lifeless> ubuntu-devel-subscribe@ubuntulinux.org right? 
[12:45] <trey_> jdub: so far my only complaint about Ubuntu is all the Python packages etc that is installed... other then that, great start, thank you  :)
[12:45] <jdub> trey_: it's going to get very pythonny over time :-)
[12:45] <jdub> and they're not so big
[12:46] <trey_> jdub: just kinda made me mad saying 'y' to them all via debfoster  :(
[12:46] <jdub> haha
[12:46] <jdub> oh well
[12:46] <jdub> ;)
[12:46] <trey_> jdub: should be some kinda meta package like python-ubuntu or something to avoid that  8-)
[12:47] <trey_> Still going through the resulting list to figure out what some of it is though  :)
[12:49] <trey_> Need to figure out what bicyclerepair, bogofilter and diveintopython are all about...
[12:49] <jdub> diveintopython == introduction to python docs
[12:49] <jdub> bicyclerepair == refactoring tool
[12:49] <jdub> bogofilter == elite bayesian anti-spam tool
[12:50] <trey_> ahhh... so far, I'm not having much luck with Evolution and its spam filter  :(
[12:50] <trey_> Used to Thunderbird or Mutt  :/
[12:51] <jdub> evo's spam filter doesn't work in ubuntu
[12:51] <jdub> because we don't install spamassassin by default
[12:51] <trey_> That could be why its not working  8)
[12:52] <trey_> ugh, I wish I could do more to help Ubuntu... no real coding experience  :(
[12:52] <trey_> Prettified Debian = Desktop perfection  :)
[12:53] <yam> jdub: where is ubuntu needing more help?
[12:54] <trey_> yam: currently probably reporting and fixing bugs... perhaps throwing out ideas for Hoary (sp) also...
[12:54] <Lowe> It needs mplayer and it would be perfect lol
[12:55] <jdub> yam: we're currently fixing bugs for our final release in october
[12:55] <nelson_> interesting, with a computer account on the 2003 machine, it does the same thing
[12:55] <Cardador> have someone tried to install lyx??
[12:55] <nelson_> however using just smbclient, it authenticates and works fine
[12:56] <trey_> jdub: hard to believe this is what Fedora would call 'test 1'  :)
[12:56] <yam> I see
[12:56] <Mithrandir> yam: if you're able to track down 1443, I would be very, very happy. :)
[12:56] <trey_> Mithrandir: linky link? I'm lazy  :(
[12:56] <tseng> is there a package i can add to totem-xine to play wmvs?
[12:56] <Mithrandir> trey_: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1443
[12:56] <trey_> Mithrandir: thank you  :)
[12:56] <Mithrandir> trey_: needs an amd64 box to track down, though.
[12:57] <trey_> Mithrandir: oh... sol then  :(
[12:57] <yam> Mithrandir: evolution contacts stuff?
[12:57] <Mithrandir> yam: yes.
[12:57] <Mithrandir> looks like it blows up somewhere in evolution-data-server
[12:57] <yam> but only on AM64?
[12:58] <Mithrandir> correct.
[12:58] <lifeless> thom: you have an amd64 right?
[12:58] <Mithrandir> so probably somebody assuming sizeof(int) == sizeof(void*) somewhere.
[12:58] <thom> yes, i also have 18 bugs assigned so far
[12:58] <lifeless> any chance I can get a login on that to try and fix a FTBFS for gst ?
[12:58] <seb128> thom: you're lucky dude :p
[12:59] <lifeless> just normal user is all thats needed
[12:59] <thom> lifeless: i'll need to get ipv6 set up
[12:59] <thom> lifeless: prolly this evening if you nudge me
[12:59] <lifeless> no pressure.
[12:59] <lifeless> I won't really have time till the weekend.
[01:00] <ondrej> just did fresh install and have few bugs and some ideas: grub-install just hangs on my hardware, I had to switch to console and kill it (this is upstream bug).  boot splash screen was not setup correctly (I thought it would be).  ideas: add resizing support (ntfs resize especially) to installer
[01:00] <Mithrandir> lifeless: you can get access on mine; drop me a signed mail with ssh key + username
[01:00] <lifeless> email address ?
[01:01] <Mithrandir> tfheen@raw.no
[01:01] <lifeless> how do I make the evo attach-file dialog show the .ssh dir ?
[01:01] <trey_> ondrej: lvm2 allows for resizing partitions 'on the fly' ... I would like to see that be incorporated into the default partitioning set up... perhaps adding gpart to the mix also...
[01:01] <Mithrandir> lifeless: type it in?
[01:02] <rburton> lifeless: control-l to popup the keyboard input
[01:02] <trey_> ondrej: can't say as though I care too much about ntfs though...
[01:02] <lifeless> theres no type in box.. ah thanks rburton
[01:02] <lifeless> that is so non-discoverable
[01:02] <rburton> lifeless: its in the release notes for gtk, and control-l is used all over gnome for "goto location"
[01:02] <trey_> lifeless: one of the major nit-picky things about the new file selector  :(
[01:02] <lifeless> right-mous-click show-hidden also works.
[01:03] <jdub> everyone hug seb128!
[01:03] <jdub> he is elite!
[01:03] <rburton> ah, that right click menu didn't exist some time ago
[01:03] <rburton> cool
[01:03] <ondrej> trey_: but if you care for users, you should care how they could install Ubuntu on their notebook.  And many notebook came with preinstalled WXP on NTFS (f.e. mine)
[01:03] <seb128> arf
[01:03] <pitti> seb128: got squeezed?
[01:04] <trey_> jdub: what he do?  :)
[01:04] <jdub> STACKS ON!
[01:04] <lifeless> rburton: users don't read release notes for individual projects.
[01:04] <jdub> trey_: seb manages our gnome packaging
[01:04] <jdub> trey_: and just started uploading new stuff
[01:04] <seb128> utch, stop dudes :p
[01:04] <jdub> (fixes and so on)
[01:04] <trey_> jdub: ohhh  :)
[01:04] <psyklops> Hello
[01:05] <psyklops> I just attempted to install the NVidia drivers and it couldn't find the kernel source
[01:05] <ondrej> seb128 is also king of the hill in Gnome Debian Team :-)
[01:05] <seb128> ondrej: ah ah
[01:05] <psyklops> apt doesn't show any source for the 2.6.8.1 kernel
[01:05] <thom> psyklops: linux-source-2.6.8.1
[01:05] <truk_away> so dual booting with ntfs it's a problem now?
[01:05] <psyklops> "linux" source...
[01:06] <psyklops> hm, I searched for "kernel-source". alright, thanks
[01:06] <Lowe> How do i add this to my repository thing http://debian.cli.unipi.it/debian/pool/ it has a package i need.
[01:07] <ondrej> jdub: any chance to have ipw2100 and ipw2200 drivers in restricted (intel wireless cards with binary firmware)
[01:07] <trey_> Lowe: 'deb http://debian.cli.unipi.it/debian (something in distrib) (channels)
[01:08] <trey_> Lowe: pool is just where the packages are... you need the 'Packages.gz' file for apt to know where to look...
[01:08] <sabdfl> ondrej: they should already be there on a fresh install
[01:08] <thom> Lowe: which package? most of what debian ships should be available in the Universe repository
[01:09] <moyogo> http://debian.cli.unipi.it/debian/dists/woody/sherpya/binary-i386/Packages
[01:09] <Lowe> It has a package i need for mplayer
[01:10] <trey_> Lowe: use Marillats mplayer packages... that URL is for woody... I don't recommend installing woody packages within basically a sarge environment...
[01:10] <Lowe> No you don't understand me.
[01:10] <ggi> Lowe: The base URL has a list of lines you could be using, including one for Sid: http://debian.cli.unipi.it/
[01:10] <lifeless> jdub: do I need to restart anything after installing your bluetooth packages ?
[01:10] <moyogo> Lowe: add this "deb http://debian.cli.unipi.it/debian woody sherpya" to you /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:10] <Lowe> Mplayer needs a package called libarts and it's not available in marillats
[01:10] <ondrej> sabdfl: ah thanks, I used apt-cache search, but they are in linux-image
[01:11] <thom> Lowe: enable universe, which has libarts in
[01:11] <trey_> Lowe: ahhh... that doesn't make sense... arts = kde... shouldn't be a requirement  :(
[01:11] <Lowe> I already have thom it still asks, hold on a min.
[01:11] <Lowe> mplayer-k6:
[01:11] <Lowe>  Depends: libarts but it is not installable or
[01:11] <Lowe>  	libarts-alsa but it is not installable
[01:11] <Lowe>  Depends: libdirectfb8 but it is not installable
[01:11] <Lowe>  Depends: libdvdread2 but it is not installable
[01:11] <Lowe>  Depends: libvorbis0 but it is not installable
[01:12] <rburton> that mplayer package needs a rebuild i guess
[01:12] <Lowe> so what should i do?
[01:13] <rburton> ignore mplayer, use totem-xine from universe
[01:13] <rburton> and get w32codecs from mariallat
[01:13] <trey_> Lowe: you'd be better off adding 'deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib' then using anything else...
[01:13] <ondrej> seb128: gnome needs something like gksudo (f.e. try to Adjust time and date from Time Applet)
[01:13] <lifeless> jdub: ?
[01:13] <Lowe> i think i already have that one aswell
[01:14] <seb128> ondrej: yes, the applet use gksudo, why ?
[01:14] <ggi> I've asked this already, but I've never got a response. Why are Debian's contrib packages not being included in Ubuntu? A simple "Because contrib is evil" will suffice.
[01:15] <trey_> ggi: umm, I thought thats what 'restricted' was for?
[01:15] <trey_> afaict, main = main, restricted = contrib, universe = non-free  :/
[01:16] <Mithrandir> trey_: no
[01:16] <Lowe> universe still doesn't have everything we need.
[01:16] <trey_> Mithrandir: kinda figured I'd get that response  :/
[01:16] <Mithrandir> trey_: main =~ main; restricted is =~ non-free; universe is debian's main sans what we have in main.
[01:16] <froh_> what NPTL version is in warthog?
[01:17] <Lowe> trey it's still asking for libarts -_-
[01:17] <trey_> Mithrandir: so Ubuntu's main = Debian's main and contrib basically?
[01:17] <Kinnison> Morning
[01:18] <Mithrandir> trey_: no, main can't depend on stuff outside of main, like in Debian
[01:18] <Mithrandir> hi Kinnison 
[01:18] <froh_> debian unstable uses 0.60, i need 0.61 for realtime audio work with jackd and kernel 2.6
[01:18] <trey_> Mithrandir: hmmm... so back to his question... where does contrib enter the picture?  :(
[01:18] <maku> hello folks
[01:18] <maku> i just installd ununtu
[01:18] <Mithrandir> trey_: we don't really have anything that is "free, but depends on non-free stuff", AFAIK.
[01:18] <maku> my mouse aint workin
[01:19] <maku> i have a serial mouse
[01:19] <maku> please help
[01:19] <jdub> lifeless: yeah?
[01:19] <maku> ubuntu rocks! but without my mouse, i'm helpless!!!
[01:19] <jdub> lifeless: oh
[01:19] <jdub> lifeless: no
[01:19] <jdub> lifeless: look in system tools
[01:20] <mjg59> maku: Serial mice are... difficult :)
[01:20] <froh_> maku: /dev/ttys0 is com1
[01:20] <maku> hmm
[01:20] <trey_> thought*
[01:20] <mjg59> maku: If you do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 you should have the option to choose the serial port
[01:21] <maku> but i changed /dev/input/mice to /dev/ttyS0
[01:21] <maku> still not works :(
[01:21] <trey_> maku: did you restart X since then?
[01:21] <maku> mjg59, i tried that
[01:21] <maku> trey_, i restarted :-)
[01:21] <froh_> trey_: my son is playing simple games on a old P1 133Mhz with serial mouse
[01:21] <mjg59> maku: You also need to change the protocol
[01:22] <maku> mjg59, how
[01:22] <trey_> maku: maybe you don't have the modules required loaded? cat /dev/ttyS0 and move the mouse... see if it garbles junk on the screen...
[01:22] <maku> i mean to what?
[01:22] <mjg59> maku: After choosing the port the mouse is plugged into, you need to choose the protocol. It'll probably be microsoft.
[01:22] <maku> ok, wait
[01:22] <trey_> froh_: I'm using a ps/2 mouse... figured they were pretty outdated too...
[01:23] <maku> i did cat /dev/ttyS0
[01:23] <trey_> anything doing?
[01:23] <maku> & something is runing on my Xterminal, characters
[01:23] <maku> junk
[01:23] <mjg59> maku: Ok, so the mouse works
[01:23] <trey_> ok... ctrl + x
[01:23] <trey_> c even
[01:23] <mjg59> The only thing you need is to set the protocol
[01:23] <maku> mjg59, but not moves :(
[01:23] <maku> ok, how do i do that
[01:24] <lifeless> jdub: ah. devices works.
[01:24] <trey_> maku: thats ok... X isn't seeing it.. but other then that its working  :)
[01:24] <maku> trey_, :-)
[01:24] <lifeless> but phone manager & multisync don't have bluetooth plugin options.
[01:24] <maku> yeah, it works in FC2
[01:24] <ggi> Mithrandir: So contrib will never be included then?
[01:24] <lifeless> (my old settings are greyed out, can change away from bluetooth, but not too bluetooth.)
[01:24] <mjg59> maku: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[01:24] <mjg59> It'll ask you for the protocol
[01:24] <maku> ok, pls hold on
[01:25] <trey_> ggi: guess not...
[01:25] <Mithrandir> ggi: I don't know; at the moment, we don't have anything like it.
[01:26] <trey_> maku: kudzu is available for Debian... kudzu is what redhat/fedora uses for hardware detection  :/
[01:26] <ggi> Hmm, contrib includes a lot of useful stuff like emulators and stuff. Looking through some of these I can't even tell why they're in contrib.
[01:26] <daniels> fabbione: pong
[01:27] <daniels> ARH
[01:27] <maku> trey_, thats good
[01:27] <Mithrandir> ggi: not usable without firmware or such?
[01:27] <daniels> mdz: pong
[01:27] <ggi> Like xfonts-dosemu. Fun for playing NetHack with, as it works with IBMgraphics. It depends on nothing, just installs the vga.pcf font.
[01:27] <maku> ok, i'll be restarting my XServer & will be back, how i give u some good news :_)
[01:28] <maku> how = hope*
[01:28] <trey_> I was kinda confused to see discover1 favored over discover based on the fact it says Ubuntu releases are based on SID...
[01:28] <maku> bbye & thnx alot for help
[01:28] <Mithrandir> ggi: file a bug?  If it goes to main, it'll at least be in universe.
[01:29] <ggi> Mithrandir: I think I might. But emulators and things like exult are understandably in contrib, and I miss being able to install those easily.
[01:30] <Kinnison> ggi: is exult not in universe?
[01:30] <froh_> can anyone tell me the output from "getconf GNU_LIBPTHREAD_VERSION" on a ubuntu system
[01:30] <Mithrandir> Kinnison: is contrib in universe?
[01:30] <Lowe> ahaha those gnome games suck so badly 
[01:30] <Kinnison> Mithrandir: Not a clue
[01:30] <Mithrandir> froh_: : tfheen@golem ~ > getconf GNU_LIBPTHREAD_VERSION
[01:30] <Mithrandir> linuxthreads-0.10
[01:31] <Mithrandir> froh_: (amd64)
[01:31] <Mithrandir> : tfheen@shonap ~ > getconf GNU_LIBPTHREAD_VERSION 
[01:31] <Mithrandir> NPTL 0.60
[01:31] <Mithrandir> on i386
[01:31] <ggi> Kinnison: Nope.
[01:31] <froh_> Mithrandir: oh, are you running 2.4
[01:31] <Mithrandir> froh_: no, I'm not.
[01:31] <Mithrandir> Linux shonap 2.6.8-1-686-smp #1 SMP Sat Aug 28 12:51:43 EDT 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[01:32] <Mithrandir> Linux golem 2.6.8.1-1-amd64-k8 #1 Mon Sep 6 18:35:50 UTC 2004 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[01:32] <froh_> oh, must be amd64 thing
[01:33] <froh_> i would have upgraded at once if i could get away from NPTL 0.61 in Debian Unstable
[01:33] <moyogo> Lowe: have you tried "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main" for mplayer?
[01:33] <froh_> i am forced to run 2.4 kernel because of latencyproblems with audiorecording
[01:35] <ggi> While I'm bitching about things, is universe not updated to include packages introduced after taking the snapshot of Debian's main? For instance, I think the freepats package is pretty useful to bundle with timidity, but it's not Ubuntu.
[01:35] <ggi> *not in, I mean
[01:36] <Mithrandir> ggi: bribe jdub. :)
[01:36] <Lowe> before that, why does it say 2 users in top
[01:37] <Mithrandir> seb128: what is the environment var I need to set to get glib's g_log function to output stuff?
[01:37] <ggi> Hmm, perhaps filing a bug would be easier.
[01:38] <Lowe> top - 13:38:12 up 1 day, 13:05,  2 users,  load average: 0.24, 0.25, 0.21 < why does it say 2 users? have i been haxored
[01:38] <maku> guys, thanx alot
[01:38] <maku> my mouse is back
[01:39] <maku> device=/dev/ttyS0
[01:39] <maku> proto=Microsoft
[01:39] <maku> really, thnx
[01:39] <Lowe> ok you can stop now
[01:39] <maku> bbyee
[01:39] <froh_> Lowe: hehe probably not, open another terminal and watch, wow! now there are 3 haxorz
[01:40] <Lowe> OMG our right lol
[01:40] <Lowe> your*
[01:40] <Deft> Lowe, try who or w
[01:41] <Lowe> Lol i don'y care if someone has hacked me anyway, i don't keep any personal info on this computer.
[01:42] <froh_> Lowe: then install Win XP and upgrade to SP2 ;)
[01:42] <rsacherer> Hello!!!
[01:43] <Lowe> haha your joking right?
[01:43] <Lowe> SP2 is a virus lol
[01:43] <pitti> jamesh: around?
[01:44] <rsacherer> I am really happy with ubuntu linux! ;-) it's quite a nice distribution which cleanly builds on top of debian and i like the feeling, the installation was not that smotheless (i was left was a terminal login without x-windows - gnome installed, but hey, i could handle it) ;-)
[01:44] <jamesh> pitti: yeah.
[01:44] <pitti> jamesh: I just prepared a bug for https://bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1430
[01:44] <Lowe> moyogo i just tried that and still no luck
[01:44] <rsacherer> i want to contribute to some FAQ's and if it's possible to contribute to the ubuntu linux system also, is there a howto on getting a contributor? :-)
[01:44] <pitti> jamesh: since this is my first real gnome hacking, jdub wants to have a second look from a gnome phreak before approval;
[01:45] <pitti> jamesh: do you happen to have a minute for that?
[01:45] <jamesh> sure.
[01:45] <pitti> jamesh: of course I did not prepare a bug, but a patch :-)
[01:45] <jamesh> although I haven't hacked on g-s-t :)
[01:45] <pitti> jamesh: welcome in the club :-)
[01:45] <rsacherer> AND are there any packages for x.org x-server (with the neat <real> transparence)? ;-)
[01:45] <seb128> Mithrandir: there is no variable
[01:46] <seb128> Mithrandir: depending on the code, what's the output of g_log in your program ?
[01:46] <ggi> rsacherer: Not yet. X.org will probably be used in the next release in April.
[01:47] <rsacherer> ggi and there are also no development packages? i found a bug fixed filed against something for x.org in the buglist
[01:47] <rsacherer> s/fixed/fix/g
[01:48] <Mithrandir> seb128: g_log (LM_LOG_DOMAIN, LM_LOG_LEVEL_NET, "\nRECV [%d] :\n", 
[01:48] <Mithrandir> how can I make sure I see that message?
[01:48] <seb128> Mithrandir: g_log_default_handler ()
[01:49] <seb128> "The default log handler. This is used if no log handler has been set for the particular log domain and log level combination. It outputs the message to stderr or stdout and if the log level is fatal it calls abort()."
[01:49] <seb128> you probably have the default handler changed
[01:49] <Mithrandir> well, stdout/err is fine with me
[01:49] <seb128> depending of the code
[01:49] <Mithrandir> but I never see the log, so I need to hunt down the handler, then
[01:49] <seb128> yes
[01:49] <ggi> rsacherer: Well, I don't know, not being a developer. X.org isn't all cool and modular yet, so I don't think it's being packaged.
[01:50] <Mithrandir> seb128: ok, thanks. :)
[01:50] <rsacherer> ggi, ah, i understand ;-) ok, it's like with everything in the open-source-world ... good things need time to become better ;-)
[01:50] <seb128> Mithrandir: np
[01:51] <jamesh> pitti: I'll add my comments about the patch to the bug
[01:52] <pitti> jamesh: thanks!
[01:52] <mojo> has anyone tried transparent framework weimar yet?
[01:53] <jdub> pitti: hmm
[01:53] <jdub> pitti: if a device has no partitions,
[01:53] <jdub> pitti: just a formatted block device
[01:53] <pitti> jdub: it is not recognized
[01:54] <jdub> pitti: have you--
[01:54] <pitti> jdub: known bug :-/
[01:54] <jdub> aha :)
[01:54] <jdub> pmount /dev/sda worked fine ;)
[01:54] <pitti> jdub: I know, hal is the problem
[01:54] <jdub> turns out i installed OS X on this usb drive ;)
[01:54] <jdub> ok, thakns :)
[01:54] <pitti> jdub: it only recognizes volumes with block.isvolume=1
[01:54] <pitti> jdub: I already discussed that with npmccallum, no easy solution with current hal
[01:55] <pitti> jdub: we already considered several hacks, but none of them really solved this problem
[01:55] <jdub> ok
[01:55] <jdub> it's a stupid thing to have anyway ;)
[01:56] <pitti> jdub: actually not; who needs a single partition on a device?
[01:56] <jdub> yeah yeah
[01:56] <jdub> ;')
[01:57] <lifeless> jdub: so di dyou rebuild phone manager + multisync too ?
[01:57] <jdub> phone manager but not multisync
[01:57] <jdub> i should do that
[01:58] <lifeless> that would rock
[01:58] <lifeless> I've just freed up a Mb of phone memory -- thansk!
[01:58] <lifeless> phone mgr is still bust for me though :[
[02:03] <bluewheel> asking a maybe silly question, can i use the apt repositories to upgrade from debian to ubuntu ? 
[02:03] <sabdfl> what's the best svg viewer on ubuntu?
[02:04] <sabdfl> bluewheel: from woody this will be supported
[02:04] <jamesh> pitti: comments added.
[02:04] <sabdfl> bluewheel: and our next release, hoary, will support upgrade from sarge
[02:04] <tuo2> go hoary!
[02:04] <pitti> jamesh: thanks!
[02:05] <bluewheel> ok, thanks guys :-) considering installing on my powerbook :-) 
[02:05] <rburton> sabdfl: inkscape is a good svg editor, eog will show them
[02:05] <bluewheel> sabdfl, sodipidi also is nice 
[02:06] <sabdfl> rburton: thanks
[02:06] <sabdfl> rsacherer: do you have experience maintaining packages in a distribution, or would you like to contribute translation / documentation / website?
[02:08] <rsacherer> sabdfl, i am the debian-package manager in our company to provide debian packages for our house-build-software, i am c/perl/php/bash programmer, i developed modules for the freeradius server ... so, i think i could work on the base platform 
[02:09] <sabdfl> rsacherer: ok, are there any packages you want to improve in particular? or new packages you want to add to universe?
[02:10] <Lowe> mplayer for the loveof god someone add mplayer (one that works0
[02:10] <Muttley> mplayer ;)
[02:10] <Lowe> hehe
[02:10] <rburton> whats wrong with totem-xine + w32codecs?
[02:10] <Muttley> ugh
[02:10] <Muttley> ;)
[02:10] <Lowe> But we want mplayer
[02:10] <Lowe> !
[02:10] <SurcouF> why ?
[02:10] <sabdfl> Lowe: it's in universe
[02:10] <rburton> mplayer sucks donkey balls
[02:10] <Lowe> YES WE ALL NO!
[02:10] <Lowe> no it doesn't
[02:10] <Muttley> totem doesn't support and xine is crappy support
[02:11] <rsacherer> sabdfl, nothing in special, i am just curios if it would be possible to become a full time ubuntu contributor, because i really love the idea of working for a free-minded employer ;-)
[02:11] <Lowe> Nothng is as good as mplayer
[02:11] <Muttley> and mplayer is better ;)
[02:11] <Lowe> And the one in universe doesn't work
[02:11] <Muttley> for the catch-all media viewing :)
[02:11] <rsacherer> but the one in the marillat archives, Muttly, Lowe, thoes this one not work like a charm?
[02:12] <Muttley> one interesting question. does anyone know a way to get mplayer/totem/xine to work with the win32 codecs on amd64 without a 32bit chroot?
[02:12] <SurcouF> Muttley, what's the latest version of totem you tried ?
[02:12] <Lowe> no it doesn't work either. But that's because of well..
[02:12] <Deft> Muttley, I finf totem-xine with 140 plugins does the catch-all thing ok
[02:12] <Muttley> SurcouF: umm, on 0.99.15.1-2 atm
[02:12] <Muttley> (running debian amd64)
[02:13] <rsacherer> I have a problem with totem ... it does not display the video (black canvas) where gxine works well :-(
[02:13] <Lowe> when i try to install mplayer i get this
[02:13] <rsacherer> but as gxine worked, i did not take to much care of it
[02:13] <Lowe> damn it didn't copy!
[02:13] <Muttley> Deft: I still have issues with totem, firstly the external subs and secondly every 3rd time I load it it comes up with a blue screen instead of video
[02:13] <Deft> rsacherer, is that totem-gstreamer? moving to totem-xine should fix that
[02:13] <Muttley> Deft: I do use totem for dvds
[02:13] <rsacherer> Deft, ah, i will check this!
[02:13] <Muttley> for that it is good
[02:13] <Lowe> mplayer-k6:
[02:13] <Lowe>  Depends: libarts but it is not installable or
[02:13] <Lowe>  	libarts-alsa but it is not installable
[02:13] <Lowe>  Depends: libdirectfb8 but it is not installable
[02:13] <Lowe>  Depends: libdvdread2 but it is not installable
[02:13] <Lowe>  Depends: libvorbis0 but it is not installable
[02:13] <Muttley> (except the blue screen thing)
[02:13] <Lowe> ^^ and they all do that
[02:13] <SurcouF> Muttley, with sames codecs than mplayer ?
[02:14] <Deft> Muttley, odd, it's the first time I run totem it's blue... I should probably look into it, but it's so much easier to just restart it
[02:14] <rsacherer> another thing, i really would like to use ubuntu in my company also, but i did not found the nvidia packages, i have a nvidia FX5200 with dual head in my office and it would be nice to keep the dual-head configuration ;-)
[02:14] <moyogo> Lowe: use deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[02:14] <Muttley> SurcouF: well mplayer doesn't do it either. do get anything to run the win32 codecs I needed to install a 32bit chroot
[02:14] <Lowe> moyogo i already have!
[02:14] <rburton> rsacherer: apt-get install nvidia-glx
[02:15] <lamont> moorning
[02:15] <Muttley> SurcouF: most things are covered by native libraries, but qt and wmv don't work well without the win32 codecs
[02:15] <moyogo> Lowe: and it doesn't work?
[02:15] <Lowe> It doesn't work.
[02:15] <Deft> Lowe, you might need universe for the dependencies...
[02:15] <Muttley> Deft: it's just as easy for me to just run mplayer the first time and not worry about it maybe having a blue screen :)
[02:15] <SurcouF> Muttley, so, you only need extra codecs
[02:16] <sabdfl> rsacherer: the nvidia packages are coming
[02:16] <Deft> Muttley, yeah, I can accept that; out of interest, do you use the nvidia x driver?
[02:16] <moyogo> Lowe: weird
[02:16] <Muttley> SurcouF: yeah, but the 64bit mplayer/totem/xine didn't want to play with the win32 codecs
[02:16] <sabdfl> lamont: groeten
[02:16] <Lowe> How many times do i need to say this, i have universe.
[02:16] <Muttley> Deft: I do, I expect it's probably not totem's fault. but it's still a pain
[02:16] <rburton> Lowe: and i've said before, that mplayer package needs updating for latest sid by the look of it
[02:16] <moyogo> Lowe: what do you mean you have universe?
[02:16] <SurcouF> Muttley, tell to theses codecs editor to publish a 64 bit edition ;-)
[02:16] <rsacherer> sabdfl, ah, ok, nvidia coming sounds nice to me! ;-) but what's no regarding the full-time-ubunto thing? ;-)
[02:17] <Deft> Lowe, then try try apt-get install libdvdread2, it really should be either in main or universe, because I had it without trying
 Lowe, you might need universe for the dependencies... << i was replying to this
[02:17] <Muttley> SurcouF: hehe, I'll just write to apple... ;)
[02:17] <sabdfl> rsacherer: we have room for more people, selected based on their contribution
[02:18] <sabdfl> best way to join is to work within the constraints of your existing employment
[02:18] <sabdfl> take on bounties and bugs, contribute packages, prove your capability
[02:18] <sabdfl> and you will hear from us
[02:18] <Deft> Lowe, actually, I have 3... possibly that mplayer package is out of date...
[02:18] <thom> rsacherer: nvidia drivers are already in the restrcited component
[02:18] <thom> rsacherer: package is called nvidia-glx
[02:19] <Deft> rsacherer, you need nvidia-glx and linux-restricted-modules... probably
[02:19] <rsacherer> sabdfl, great, seams a reasonable and fair way of doing things :-)
[02:19] <Lowe> So it's out of date? is anyone gonna do anything about it or am i stuck with xine. :(
[02:19] <rsacherer> thx thom and deft!
[02:20] <SurcouF> Muttley, so, mplayer and xine uses sames codecs and ffmpeg too
[02:20] <mwh_> Hello, I have just installed ubuntu, and I was looking for a way to install more languages, like I only got to choose my default locale
[02:20] <Deft> Lowe, I know mplayer-nogui works, on debian at least
[02:20] <mwh_> is there an easy way to install new languages? 
[02:20] <Lowe> I get the same errors with it!
[02:20] <Muttley> SurcouF: you mean the win32 codecs? yeah I think they all look in the same place for them
[02:20] <SurcouF> Muttley, yeah
[02:21] <Lowe> brb 
[02:21] <Muttley> SurcouF: on my 32bit debian system at home I just installed the win32-codec package and mplayer/totem/xine would play quicktime or wmv 
[02:21] <SurcouF> Muttley, with totem, you can install them directly
[02:21] <SurcouF> Muttley, okay
[02:21] <Capri> mwh_, do you think of more locales?
[02:21] <mwh_> Capri, yes
[02:21] <SurcouF> conclusion: mplayer isn't better than anothers players
[02:21] <Lowe> yes it is
[02:22] <Lowe> It pwns the rest.
[02:22] <Lowe> I have 120Gb of anime, i should know.
[02:22] <Muttley> SurcouF: it is better for subtitles
[02:22] <Muttley> and I watch a lot of chinese films
[02:22] <SurcouF> Lowe, do you have really use totem or xine ? 
[02:22] <SurcouF> Muttley, do you read some DVDs ?
[02:22] <Muttley> SurcouF: totem for dvds
[02:22] <seb128> SurcouF: totem supports subtitles
[02:22] <SurcouF> why ? ;-)
[02:22] <moyogo> how do you use subtitles files in totem anyway?
[02:22] <Lowe> I don't like totem or xine
[02:22] <mwh_> Capri, do you know how to install more locales?
[02:22] <SurcouF> seb128, I know
[02:22] <Muttley> SurcouF: eye candy
[02:23] <seb128> oups
[02:23] <SurcouF> Muttley, no 
[02:23] <seb128> Muttley: totem supports subtitles
[02:23] <Capri> mwh_, I think it is the debian way.
[02:23] <SurcouF> because totem and xine supports DVD menus
[02:23] <Muttley> seb128: external subtitle files?
[02:23] <mwh_> Capri, please explain
[02:23] <Deft> Lowe, well, marillat's mplayer says it depends on libvorbis0a, and that should be the latest version, you could try enforcing a particular distro with apt-get (-t ...)
[02:23] <SurcouF> mplayer doesn't not
[02:23] <rburton> mwh_: dpkg-reconfigur locales
[02:23] <seb128> yes
[02:23] <Capri> mwh_, one moment I have to check it myself...
[02:23] <Mayday> gthumb hangs when i try to import from my usb camera :(
[02:23] <Muttley> SurcouF: yeah, eye candy. that's all dvd menus are
[02:23] <mwh_> rburton, aha, ill look into it
[02:23] <SurcouF> Muttley, not only eye candy
[02:23] <Muttley> seb128: since when?
[02:23] <cgdef> I can't mount reiserfs4 volumes does the kernel has support for them?
[02:23] <pitti> thom: Your hal upload invalidated my pending patch :-) I have to wait for mdz to get up...
[02:24] <seb128> Muttley: long time
[02:24] <Muttley> seb128: automatically?
[02:24] <cgdef> I ment reiser4
[02:24] <seb128> Muttley:  totem file:///file.avi#subtitle:file.sub
[02:24] <Muttley> ugh
[02:24] <Muttley> no
[02:24] <thom> pitti: heh, sorry. does it really conflict?
[02:24] <Muttley> then
[02:24] <SurcouF> I like to watch extras from DVD
[02:24] <moyogo> seb128: yeah, but how do you do it from the gui?
[02:24] <pitti> thom: no, I suppose not. No need to excuse, just funny
[02:24] <Muttley> seb128: that's just like xine, not automatic
[02:24] <mwh_> rburton, that seems to be the way
[02:24] <thom> pitti: :-)
[02:24] <SurcouF> so
[02:24] <pitti> thom: but it takes a lot of work to tame this beast
[02:24] <seb128> moyogo: you don't, that doesn't fit with the "simple guy" 
[02:24] <thom> yeah
[02:24] <mwh_> rburton: Thank you
[02:24] <SurcouF> mplayer doesn't have a pretty gui, so what ?
[02:24] <seb128> gui even
[02:25] <seb128> Muttley: yeah but you can read subtitles :)
[02:25] <noda> Wow, lots of people here :)
[02:25] <cgdef> the thing is that the mkfs.reiser4 binary is installed so I assumed that the support to mount the file system would also be there
[02:26] <Muttley> seb128: yeah, not the point though
[02:26] <moyogo> hmmm, i find mplayer useful for a few things, sometimes xine is better
[02:26] <moyogo> totem is just eye candy
[02:26] <noda> My laptop seems to freeze when I press the "lid" button... any ideas? I mean, even *suspend* works (and I've never had it working before)
[02:26] <Muttley> seb128: it still works like xine. they should make it automatic and it blows most my reasons for using mplayer out the water
[02:26] <cgdef> however I get an error message that the file system is unsupported when I try to mount the drive
[02:26] <SurcouF> Lowe, why don't you like totem or xine ?
[02:26] <cgdef> the name of the FS in fstab is reiser4 right?
[02:26] <Lowe> Because they suck. No seriously they play my anime like shit.
[02:27] <SurcouF> moyogo, totem can use xine or gstreamer as backend
[02:27] <SurcouF> xine can't
[02:27] <SurcouF> mplayer can't
[02:27] <daniels> .
[02:27] <Muttley> SurcouF: I tried the gstreamer backend for totem a few weeks back and it just didn't work very well at all
[02:27] <rburton> daniels: isn't this pleasant?
[02:27] <ldexter> hi world
[02:27] <moyogo> i wish totem had an advanced menu
[02:27] <SurcouF> Lowe, what anime ?
[02:27] <ldexter> anybody have screenshots of default ubuntu install?
[02:27] <daniels> rburton: yeah, just accidentally whacked the wrong key. how's things?
[02:28] <moyogo> with video controls (contrast, etc.) and subtitles
[02:28] <SurcouF> Muttley, gstreamer is young ;-)
[02:28] <rburton> moyogo: erm, contrast/colour etc is in totem
[02:28] <rburton> daniels: not bad. finally saw Shaun Of The Dead so things are looking up. you?
[02:28] <Lowe> All my anime! look i don't have to explain to you why i think it sucks, i want to use mplayer and that's all that matters.
[02:28] <daniels> rburton: neat. not too badly myself.
[02:29] <SurcouF> Lowe, so, do it yourself
[02:29] <rburton> Lowe: fine, but its not in ubuntu, its not in debian, so you have to install it yourself. live with it.
[02:29] <noda> I can chmod -x /etc/acpi/lid.sh but it still crashes when I press the lid button
[02:29] <steve2> ldexter: linuxbeta has about 80 :P
[02:29] <Muttley> SurcouF: yes, but I'm not going to hinder my viewing pleasure in order to be on the bleeding edge :)
[02:29] <cgdef> Lowe: you know installing mplayer shouldn't be that hard
[02:29] <Lowe> I did compile from source, but i get even more errors. When i try to ply a file. -_-
[02:30] <SurcouF> Muttley, do you have a girlfriend ? ;-)
[02:30] <Muttley> I'm sure gstreamer is going to whip the crap out of mplayer and xine one day
[02:30] <noda> Use marillat's repository (I think)
[02:30] <Muttley> SurcouF: yup
[02:30] <cgdef> I've done it before but totem performs better for me so I don't use mplayer on this machine anymore
[02:30] <Muttley> SurcouF: A/S/L??!! ;)
[02:30] <SurcouF> Muttley, what she want to like: totem, xine or mplayer ? ;-)
[02:31] <Muttley> SurcouF: she likes mplayer because it plays chinese movies with the sub files easily :)
[02:31] <SurcouF> more easier than totem ? ;-)
[02:31] <cgdef> well if you setup totem it'll play your sub files easily
[02:31] <Muttley> SurcouF: yes
[02:31] <Muttley> SurcouF: double click easy :)
[02:32] <Muttley> cgdef: how?
[02:32] <SurcouF> Muttley, with totem too
[02:32] <ldexter> steve2: thank you :-)
[02:32] <Muttley> how, please tell me how. because I don't dislike totem, I just couldn't get it to do what I needed
[02:33] <cgdef> totem should automatically play the sub file if it has the same name as your avi and is in the same folder
[02:33] <Treenaks> I think it should show the sub file in the menu, but not play it by default, unless you clicked the sub file instead of the avi
[02:34] <Mithrandir> lifeless: mail sent, sorry for the delay.
[02:34] <cgdef> also it is possible that totem does not support the type of sub file that you are using but I hightly doubt that mplayer will if totem doesn't
[02:34] <lifeless> Mithrandir: no stress.. thanks
[02:34] <lifeless> do you have autoconf+automake+libtool+build-essential installed ?
[02:34] <lifeless> Oh, and arch would be useful too.
[02:34] <lifeless> :)
[02:34] <Lowe> mplayer supports everything i have thrown at it. the rest fail miserably.
[02:35] <Mithrandir> lifeless: what automake?
[02:35] <Mithrandir> as in, which version?
[02:35] <SurcouF> Lowe, totem supports everything I have thrown at it.
[02:35] <Muttley> cgdef: really? cool. how long has that been in because I'm sure I tried it recently and still had no luck. will try that out as soon as I get home. thanks
[02:36] <SurcouF> so
[02:36] <Lowe> And your point?
[02:36] <pitti> jamesh: regarding the memory leak: so gtk_tree_store_set() will not take the gchar* itself, but copy it?
[02:36] <Lowe> mplayer suits my needs the rest don't.
[02:36] <SurcouF> I don't look chinese animes with subtitles ;-)
[02:36] <lifeless> Mithrandir: latest is fine.
[02:36] <Lowe> What? in english please?
[02:36] <cgdef> Muttley: for a couple of sub releases I think I'll test it in a sec to make sure that it works like I remember it ;)
[02:36] <Mithrandir> lifeless: ok, done
[02:37] <mwh_> ok, the translations for all locales seems to be installed .. hmm
[02:37] <Lowe> And most anime is actually japanese, not chinese.
[02:37] <SurcouF> Lowe, I much like translated movies than originals
[02:38] <cgdef> crap can't get access to my drive
[02:38] <Lowe> All my anime is subbed.
[02:38] <pitti> jamesh: If the string returned by gtk_tree_model_get() must be freed again, then I (or you) discovered a host of memory leaks
[02:38] <cgdef> for some reason ubuntu mounts all my drives that are not *linux* type as being readable only by root
[02:38] <lifeless> Mithrandir: cool! thanks!
[02:39] <Mithrandir> lifeless: it's on my home DSL, so it might be a bit high-latency, but should otherwise be fine.
[02:42] <sabdfl> comments please: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/participate
[02:43] <Deft> ubuntu team: are there any plans for a gui for selecting what services start up at boot?
[02:43] <Stik> Anyone tried running this ubuntu in vmware?
[02:44] <Kinnison> Stik: I had problems during debootstrap
[02:44] <Kinnison> Stik: with base-passwd I think
[02:44] <Kinnison> qemu can install and run it fine though
[02:44] <sabdfl> Deft: we've discussed restructing the boot service startup scripts for hoary, but it hasn't been committed to as a feature goal yet
[02:44] <cgdef> kinda stupid question but how do you report a bug
[02:44] <Stik> Hmmm wanna try it out
[02:45] <Stik> Don't feel like busting a perfectly good slack box to do so though lol
[02:45] <Kamion> cgdef: URL in topic, create account, hit the "New" link
[02:45] <cgdef> Kamion: which one of the many urls in the topic
[02:45] <Lowe> Don't you just hate family? there so annoying. -_-
[02:46] <Kinnison> cgdef: the one titled 'Bugs:'
[02:46] <Kamion> cgdef: the one with "Bugs:" in front of it :-)
[02:46] <Deft> sabdfl, do you want a bug filed? What I would imagine would be a far simplified version of the gnome-system-tools service app, but without runlevels mentioned, and without basic system services (udev, hal, mount...) shown at all, so the user would just be able to select apache, nfs-kernel-server and so on, to be started at runlevel2 and, stopped on shutdown
[02:46] <cgdef> lol yeah I guess I better wake up
[02:46] <cgdef> sorry guys
[02:47] <sabdfl> Deft: please file a bug
[02:47] <sabdfl> cgdef: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[02:47] <fabbione> hey laotse
[02:48] <laotse> hey fabbione, what's up man
[02:49] <fabbione> laotse: pretty happy.. i thing i manage to fix the Xv extensions on the nv driver
[02:49] <fabbione> i am sending out emails to get stuff tested
[02:49] <laotse> fabbione sweet :)
[02:49] <laotse> fabbione I'm just reading emails and seeing if my batch jobs finished running over the weekend. monday sucks.
[02:49] <fabbione> laotse: i think someone has to change the term of Maintaining Xfree86 into "I am doing a few hours of BDSM with Xfree86"
[02:50] <fabbione> laotse: ehehe
[02:50] <Kamion> (and it's on top)
[02:50] <laotse> fabbione hahahaha
[02:50] <moyogo> hmmm
[02:50] <laotse> fabbione I get to play "rewrite someone's broken project from scatch" this week; I feel your pain
[02:50] <Treenaks> laotse: what? rewrite X from scratch?
[02:50] <fabbione> Kamion: ehehe
[02:50] <moyogo> sometimes the rhythmbox tray icon doesn't work
[02:50] <laotse> Treenaks hahaha, hell no :)
[02:51] <laotse> fabbione hold on, my favorite table at the coffee shop just freed up. time to grab it.
[02:51] <laotse> damn. too slow.
[02:51] <fabbione> laotse: still working from the coffee shop?
[02:52] <laotse> fabbione yeah. my life is hell ;)
[02:52] <fabbione> laotse: AOhell? ;)
[02:53] <laotse> fabbione shhhhhh. hehe.
[02:53] <fabbione> brb
[02:53] <fabbione> i need some more coffee
[02:53] <laotse> fabbione fix a dark roast w/ 3 shots of espresso in it.
[02:53] <laotse> fabbione good stuff :)
[02:54] <_axel> hi, isnt package gda2-postgres available in ubuntu? i have libgda2-1 and libgda2-dev and i seem to have /usr/lib/libgda/providers/libgda-postgres.a, but gda2-postgres is unavailable and my app says it cant find the gda postgres provider...
[02:54] <HrdwrBoB> _axel: have you got universe in your sources.list?
[02:55] <_axel> hmm no, i try to stick to the core set
[02:55] <_axel> but i guess i'll have to pull it from universe
[02:58] <_axel> i find it weird that gda is not fully in 'main' though
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> well main is really only essential stuff (especially at the moment)
[03:01] <HrdwrBoB> if it's something that a lot of people will use you could file a bug report marked as enhancement
[03:02] <_axel> will do
[03:05] <_axel> hmm, how do i enable java in firefox? i really need it to sign up for my uni online and only have one hour left
[03:05] <_axel> any help would be greatly appreciated
[03:06] <jdub> _axel: there are some suggestions in the wiki
[03:06] <fabbione> _axel: deb http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian ./
[03:06] <jdub> we don't ship java
[03:06] <fabbione> add that like to /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:06] <_axel> i know
[03:06] <_axel> even a dirty tarball would do for now
[03:06] <fabbione> _axel: well it works here with that debian packages
[03:06] <_axel> k
[03:07] <Se7h> doesn't ubuntu has cvs ?
[03:07] <Kamion> Se7h: it's on the CD but not installed by default
[03:07] <_axel> fabbione: what package do i have to choose?
[03:08] <_axel> j2re1.4?
[03:08] <fabbione> _axel: hold on a sec :-)
[03:08] <fabbione> yeah that one
[03:08] <_axel> k
[03:08] <Se7h> Kamion oh ok
[03:08] <_axel> leeching now, thanks
[03:08] <Se7h> well it should cause its useful
[03:08] <_axel> i hope that works otherwise im fscked :P
[03:08] <fabbione> _axel: no problem
[03:09] <fabbione> _axel: well it's not the most recent version of java, but it works fine here
[03:09] <fabbione> _axel: if it doesn't for firefox, fire up mozilla.
[03:09] <_axel> should work i guess
[03:09] <_axel> i'll send hate mail to lousy uni sysadmins for forcing java on students
[03:10] <_axel> without previous warnings (used to work with plain javascript before)
[03:11] <laotse> _axel haha. if you ask me personally, you can do so much with a dhtml front end now, I fail to see the need to force java front ends on people
[03:12] <Kamion> Se7h: deliberate decision, putting it on the CD but not installing it by default was the best compromise
[03:12] <jdub> dudes
[03:12] <jdub> http://www.gnome.org/~carlosg/stuff/gst/shares-admin-in-action.png
[03:12] <jdub> http://carlosgc.linups.org/gnome/disks-admin-format.html
[03:12] <jdub> ^ might be ready for hoary :-)
[03:13] <rburton> hm, interesting
[03:13] <Capri> Do anyone know some link to documentation about the changes between Debian to Ubuntu packaging?
[03:13] <HrdwrBoB> jdthood: nice
[03:13] <HrdwrBoB> er
[03:13] <HrdwrBoB> jdub
[03:13] <rburton> Capri: the changelogs will tell you everything, /usr/share/*/changelog.Debian.gz
[03:13] <Mithrandir> I want EVMS support into something like that.
[03:14] <jdub> Mithrandir: heh
[03:15] <jdub> Capri: no changes
[03:15] <Mithrandir> jdub: I don't have any boxes running without EVMS, I think.
[03:15] <Capri> rburton, I want to know what I have to do to use a Debian source package in Ubuntu? Just rebuild it?
[03:15] <Mithrandir> at least none of my personal ones.
[03:15] <Treenaks> Capri: just dpkg -i it?
[03:16] <vincent> jdub: and that :) ? http://tigert.gimp.org/log/files/uploads/gnome-notification-rss-distractor_v2.png
[03:16] <plovs_> jdub, very nice, especially the nfs shares!
[03:16] <jdub> vincent: maybe ;)
[03:16] <Mithrandir> vincent: scary.
[03:17] <Kamion> Capri: we haven't done anything to the source package format
[03:18] <Capri> Kamion, ok, thanks.
[03:41] <pitti> Does anybody know how to set the label of a partition?
[03:41] <rburton> e2label, etc
[03:42] <pitti> rburton: for VFAT?
[03:42] <rburton> pitti: hm, dunno
[03:43] <pitti> rburton: mkfs.vfat supports this, but actually I did not want to kill my usb stick content for that...
[03:43] <jdub> i think mkfs.vfat will do it non-destructively, from memroy
[03:45] <plovs_> pitti, since I have no complaints whatsoever about my usb-keys, my digital camera does not automount :)
[03:45] <pitti> plovs_: which type?
[03:46] <plovs_> pitti, trust 350ft supported by gtkam not by gthump
[03:46] <plovs_> pitti, no filesystem or anything detected
[03:46] <pitti> plovs_: ugh. What does the Device Manager say to this?
[03:46] <pitti> plovs_: does it support usb-storage in the first place? Or gphoto only?
[03:47] <plovs_> pitti, Device Manager sees it, photo only
[03:47] <plovs_> gphoto
[03:47] <plovs_> pitti, ugh,ugh is more like it
[03:47] <pitti> plovs_: if the camera cannot be handled like a hard disk, then you have to rely on gthumb to import the photos
[03:48] <plovs_> pitti, that works ok, but would it be possible to automagically have gtkam start when I plug it in?
[03:48] <pitti> plovs_: not for Warty any more, I'm afraid
[03:49] <pitti> plovs_: The difficult thing is that you cannot really tell from the kernel logs that this unknown USB device is a camera
[03:49] <pitti> plovs_: it causes a device to appear in /proc/bus/usb/..., but does not tell much about itself
[03:49] <pitti> plovs_: does Device Manager say anything that looks like a generic "camera"?
[03:50] <mxpxpod> hey guys
[03:50] <Cardador> pitti: i have the same problem with an hp photosmart 620
[03:50] <plovs_> pitti,  just vendor and product (it was a not so very expensive camera :) )
[03:50] <pitti> Cardador: same answer, I'm afraid
[03:50] <Cardador> i can import photos with gthumb
[03:51] <Cardador> but it doens auto mount
[03:51] <Cardador> *doenst
[03:51] <Cardador> lol doesnt
[03:51] <pitti> Cardador, plovs_: I just got an idea how to detect these beasts automatically
[03:51] <pitti> but it involves too many changes for Warty
[03:51] <Cardador> i had it working in debian sid
[03:51] <rburton> i thought dvm detected dcim folders and marked the device as a camera
[03:52] <pitti> so I guess we have to wait until after the Warty release for that
[03:52] <pitti> rburton: yes, but only for usb-storage devices
[03:52] <rburton> pitti: ah ok] 
[03:52] <pitti> Cardador: you mean sid automatically detected the camera and opened gthumb to import the pictures?
[03:53] <Cardador> with gphoto
[03:53] <mxpxpod> has anyone figured out why evo launches it's own spamassassin daemon on ubuntu even though the system has one started?
[03:53] <pitti> Cardador: gphoto/gthumb should work in Warty as well
[03:53] <Cardador> hmm in sid i had to do some comand line hacking
[03:53] <Cardador> to get it to work
[03:54] <Cardador> maybe ill try the same in ubuntu
[03:54] <pitti> Cardador: I suppose you wrote a hotplug script
[03:54] <Cardador> i just followed an howto :)
[03:54] <pitti> Cardador: Warty also includes one, but just to allow access to the camerafor normal users
[03:54] <housetier> where is the "how do I help" page?
[03:55] <Cardador> pitti: http://www.gphoto.org/doc/manual/permissions-usb.html
[03:55] <pitti> Cardador: right
[03:55] <pitti> Cardador: Warty does that by default
[03:55] <Cardador> by default? so how come it does not automount?
[03:56] <pitti> Cardador: in hoary, this script could send a dbus message to gnome, which then opens gthumb
[03:56] <mxpxpod> also, why wasn't the gnome-media package built with the cdda stuff?
[03:56] <sabdfl> comments please on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/maintainers
[03:56] <pitti> Cardador, plovs_: can one of you please submit a bug report about this? (set the other as CC)
[03:57] <Cardador> dont have time now, im at work ;)
[03:57] <plovs_> pitti,  bug report for what?
[03:58] <pitti> plovs_: for automatically calling gthumb when you plug in your camera
[03:58] <pitti> sabdfl: sounds good and documents existing practice :-)
[04:00] <housetier> I'd fail at " high work rate and productivity"
[04:02] <Kamion> sabdfl: I like it
[04:02] <Kamion> sabdfl: it might be worth coming up with some language about change review / mentoring / something like that, particularly for new maintainers
[04:02] <sabdfl> think i need to add something about full time employment?
[04:03] <Deft> Has anyone considered a simplified package manager, one that only list usable applications, rather than all packages (ie. not libraries, -devs etc), and presents them in a clear, categorised way; preferably with icons and such
[04:03] <sabdfl> Kamion: ok
[04:03] <plovs_> pitti, could it call something else as well? instead of gthumb (I would prefer gtkam)
[04:04] <pitti> plovs_: sure, just tell your wishes in the bug report
[04:04] <rcaskey> A simplified package manager would be Good(TM)
[04:04] <plovs_> pitti, ok, of writing a report
[04:04] <pitti> rcaskey: even simpler than synaptic?
[04:04] <jdub> rcaskey: coming in Hoary :-)
[04:04] <jdub> pitti: *yes* :)
[04:04] <rcaskey> Although I would prefer Synaptic be adapted
[04:04] <rcaskey> can't you just add a tag to existing packages (enduser)?
[04:05] <sabdfl> Deft: yes, we'll have this for Hoary, it will list only applications in main (supported, with security fixes)
[04:05] <rcaskey> but a security update applet needs to get done
[04:05] <jdub> that's also coming in hoary
[04:06] <Deft> sabdfl, great, but could third party's apps from other archives get added?
[04:06] <rcaskey> hopefully 2.10 will get the noticiation spec banged out
[04:06] <jdub> Deft: it'll only list stuff from supported
[04:06] <rcaskey> I guess there is really no reason for it to be an applet though
[04:07] <sabdfl> Deft: hmm... so you'd like it to be possible for stuff from other archives to show up there?
[04:07] <Kamion> sabdfl: you mean something like when you'll consider employing new staff, or the relative status of core team vs. non-Canonical maintainers (hopefully as equal as possible), or ...?
[04:07] <jdub> Deft: if users know enough to want to go down the universe path, they can do so with synaptic or so on. :-)
[04:07] <rcaskey> I've been thinking there needs to be a simple way to add sources so that security updates can be done for all apps
[04:07] <rcaskey> and optional upgraes displayed
[04:07] <Deft> sabdfl, best would be if you could certify apps in some way, so synaptic would check for applications in all repositories loaded, to find ones that match a list set by ubuntu
[04:08] <rcaskey> a single click to add the repo, apt-get install the software, etc
[04:08] <sabdfl> Deft: any reason why we would not simply move those apps to main if we were satisfied that they met the required standard?
[04:08] <Kamion> ha, sabdfl beat me to it
[04:08] <pitti> plovs_: when writing the bug, can you please assign it to me? (martin.pitt@canonical.com)
[04:08] <Deft> rcaskey, that would be very useful too, would allow software on cds more easily too, if a whole apt archive could be put on a cd and installed from easily
[04:09] <Deft> sabdfl, I'm trying to think of commercial apps too
[04:09] <rcaskey> Also, it would help if it was possible to install a .deb with simple click click clicking
[04:09] <Phated> It is possible. *click click click* dpkg -i.
[04:09] <rcaskey> That way every app author wouldn't need to put up a respotiroy
[04:09] <Kamion> Deft: apt archives on CDs are pretty easy to do
[04:10] <rcaskey> Phated: I know that, but the average ubuntu user doesn't
[04:10] <jdub> rcaskey: that's doable (there's a nautilus extension for dpkg information too), but ideally, users would not ever need to deal with .deb files
[04:10] <jdub> rcaskey: repositories are the way to provide packages in an easy to use fashion
[04:10] <Phated> rcaskey: It should be basic based-on-Debian info, IMO.
[04:10] <Deft> Kamion, but they are not that easy to install from, because the user has to use apt-cdrom or whatever
[04:10] <Kamion> yeah, if people have to deal with .deb files then they have to deal with dependencies
[04:10] <fabbione> more than dpkg -i <package>, i would opt for apt-get install <package>
[04:10] <fabbione> Kamion: exactly my point :-)
[04:10] <rcaskey> jdub: Yeah, I can kinda dig that
[04:11] <Se7h> need some help here
[04:11] <Se7h> seth@devil /tmp/gcc-3.3.2 $ ./configure
[04:11] <Se7h> Configuring for a i686-pc-linux-gnu host.
[04:11] <Se7h> Created "Makefile" in /tmp/gcc-3.3.2 using "mt-frag"
[04:11] <Se7h> ./configure: line 8: cc: command not found
[04:11] <Se7h> *** The command 'cc -o conftest -g   conftest.c' failed.
[04:11] <Se7h> *** You must set the environment variable CC to a working compiler.
[04:11] <rcaskey> If you click a deb which has external deps apt knows about that don't conflict, you should be able to click and install real easy like
[04:11] <Kamion> Deft: should be possible to wire that into Synaptic -> Preferences -> Repositories -> New in a nicer way
[04:11] <Deft> Kamion, if they could just put in the cd, and tell synaptic "This cd is an apt source", they could install from it instantly; if the apps on the cd could also show up in a new application-level package manager, a user could just click on the app icon in that list, and go
[04:11] <pitti> thom: didn't you upload hal 1ubuntu11 recently?
[04:12] <pitti> thom: it's still not in the archive and I need to fix two bugs in hal
[04:12] <Kamion> rcaskey: you'd have to fake up a repository on the fly or something ...
[04:12] <jdub> Kamion: is there some kind of downloadable metadata file that could be interpreted into a source line?
[04:12] <Kamion> (otherwise apt can't do all the actions simultaneously)
[04:12] <Kamion> jdub: not to my knowledge
[04:13] <thom>  hal | 0.2.92-1ubuntu11 |         warty | source, amd64, i386, powerpc
[04:13] <rcaskey> Kamion: well you could just query the reqs on the package(s), apt-get install those, then dpkg -i the debs
[04:13] <jdub> Kamion: you could just provide a ".debsrc" file or something, which would be consumed by easyinstaller/synaptic
[04:13] <Kamion> jdub: if you have the URL to the repository, you can parse it into the repository
[04:13] <Kamion> rcaskey: you really want to take the repository approach
[04:13] <jdub> although
[04:13] <thom> pitti: ^
[04:13] <rcaskey> Kamion: I think both should be done
[04:13] <Kamion> rcaskey: there are too many corner cases otherwise
[04:13] <jdub> we have to really seriously consider why we're trying to optimise for numerous repositories
[04:13] <Kamion> rcaskey: and you end up duplicating too much code
[04:14] <Kamion> er, "parse it into the sources.list line" above
[04:14] <pitti> thom: I use the German mirror. Obviously it did not propagate there yet
[04:14] <pitti> thom: thanks
[04:14] <jdub> sabdfl: mail for you on sounder
[04:14] <Phated> Why not something that told dpkg to ask apt to download needed deps when dpkgg -i was invoked and unmet dependencies were found? It must be possible -somehow-.
[04:14] <jdub> Phated: better to have apt support file installation
[04:14] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> hmmm.. 83.6MB of upgrades already
[04:14] <jdub> Phated: so it can do it, and invoke dpkg, etc.
[04:15] <Kamion> Phated: layering violation; that's apt's job
[04:15] <Phated> jdub: True.
[04:15] <rcaskey> jdub: making an easy way to click and add subscriptions would probably make software makers rather happy
[04:15] <Deft> I reckon I'll try and write out a few scenarios for software installation, see if I can draw it together somehow (yes, I'm bored)
[04:15] <Kamion> rcaskey: there's a limit to how much we want to make proprietary software authors happy, though
[04:15] <rcaskey> add a handler for an xml doc to add it to the sources.list and an easy add/remove software util
[04:15] <rcaskey> Kamion: I think this benefits everyone
[04:15] <Kamion> it would be much better for the software in question to be free, and then we could have it in Ubuntu
[04:15] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> Mandrake's urpmi can install from files already on your system and still resolve dependencies :)
[04:16] <Lowe> Yeah that was one thing i liked about mandrake
[04:16] <Lowe> but still it's too slow.
[04:17] <Kamion> there's no particular reason why apt couldn't look at a .deb and internally treat its control information as a Packages file, as far as I know; somebody just needs to write the code
[04:17] <plovs_> pitti, under what component should I file it, hal?
[04:17] <scarynetworkguy> WTF is wrong with just letting apt does it's job?
[04:17] <pitti> plovs_: it does not really matter, but something with gphoto
[04:18] <rcaskey> And there probably is some need for various repos in sources.list that can't be easily removed
[04:18] <rcaskey> (security updates, drivers that should be removed via device manager, etc)
[04:18] <Kamion> scarynetworkguy: this is a situation that apt doesn't support currently, unless you fake up a repository on the fly
[04:18] <plovs_> pitti, libgphoto2?
[04:18] <pitti> plovs_: yes
[04:19] <plovs_> pitti, my first bug-report ever: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1509 :-)
[04:20] <pitti> plovs_: looks good, thank you!
[04:20] <pitti> plovs_: using bugzilla has the advantage that information is not lost and you get notified of changes
[04:21] <jdub> tseng: around?
[04:23] <tseng> jdub: yep
[04:23] <jdub> tseng: have you seen tomboy?
[04:23] <tseng> jdub: yes
[04:23] <jdub> tseng: thinking of packaging it? :)
[04:23] <tseng> yep
[04:23] <jdub> tseng: might be a simple, first one
[04:24] <jdub> rad :-)
[04:24] <jdub> ping if you need a hand
[04:24] <jdub> lots of help here :)
[04:24] <tseng> later today perhaps
[04:24] <tseng> ill have to rtfm on this one
[04:24] <jdub> :-)
[04:24] <jdub> read the new maintainer's guide?
[04:24] <tseng> right.
[04:26] <cgdef> how do you change the protocol - application association in gnome 2.8
[04:26] <cgdef> I am trying to associate xchat with irc links
[04:27] <cgdef> but the tool no longer exists
[04:27] <cgdef> the mime modification thing that used to be in 2.6
[04:29] <falkryn> hi, i was wondering, as compared to Debian's menu system, where apt-installed apps will be autopopulated, is there any plans for something similar in Ubuntu?
[04:30] <rburton> i thought that worked
[04:30] <falkryn> so for instance, in fluxbox, gnome, whatever, I install app foo, the menu will update itself to reflect that?
[04:30] <Keybuk> falkryn: gui apps in supported should contain freedesktop .desktop files that will add it to the Applications menu itself
[04:31] <rburton> yep, works for me
[04:31] <falkryn> maybe I'm thinking of those apps in universe
[04:34] <Lowe> Test* did my connection die?
[04:34] <falkryn> another quick question, how come I'm seeing a number of packages where it will list foo-data, but no foo?
[04:34] <Lowe> i guess not
[04:34] <falkryn> stupid example, but like frozen-bubble for instance
[04:35] <Cardador> hello. will it be possible to upgrade ubuntu to the next version with apt? or will i need to do a fresh install?
[04:35] <Keybuk> Cardador: upgrade
[04:35] <Lowe> I think it would be best to fresh install though
[04:36] <Treenaks> will it be possible to upgrade sarge to ubuntu? :)
[04:36] <Keybuk> you'd just change warty in your sources.list to hoary, and apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:36] <tseng> and hope for the best
[04:36] <Keybuk> Lowe: there's no particular reason to do that ... we'll test upgrades *very* thoroughly
[04:36] <Treenaks> Lowe: no, upgrades tend to work well with debian-based distibutions
[04:36] <Cardador> Keybuk: tyt
[04:36] <Cardador> ty
[04:36] <Lowe> Yeah but nothing beats a fresh install
[04:36] <Keybuk> Treenaks: it's a bit trickier ... some ubuntu packages are older than sarge, some newer; it can be done through pinning and a bit of magic
[04:37] <Keybuk> Lowe: really?  shouldn't be *any* difference
[04:37] <lamont> falkryn: thank you.
[04:37] <Lowe> Well i will be doing a fresh install when final comes out.
[04:37] <Keybuk> I think this box ran slink when it was first installed
[04:37] <falkryn> lamont: what did I do?
[04:37] <lamont> you noticed
[04:38] <falkryn> oh, not supposed to be that way in the packages?
[04:38] <lamont> if you see any more where there are arch: all packages and no arch: i386 packages (from the same source package), please squawk.
[04:38] <lamont> arch: all without ppc or amd64 is more understandable.
[04:38] <npmccallum> lamont: when I get some free time, I'm going to make a package of monkey-bubble :)
[04:38] <rcaskey> was slink 2.0?
[04:38] <rcaskey> or 2.1
[04:38] <falkryn> ok, starfighter too.
[04:38] <Phated> 2.1.
[04:38] <rcaskey> what was 2.0?
[04:38] <Keybuk> hamm was 2.0 ?
[04:38] <rcaskey> ahh
[04:38] <Keybuk> bo, rex, hamm, slink, potato, woody, sarge ... I think
[04:39] <Keybuk> unless my brain fails me
[04:39] <Phated> Hamm.
[04:39] <rcaskey> I remember a guy off #QuakeEd sent me Hamm disks
[04:39] <rcaskey> including contrib
[04:39] <Phated> buzz, bo, rex, hamm, slink, potato, woody, sarge, sid, ethc.
[04:39] <Phated> etch*
[04:39] <Treenaks> Phated: sid won't be released.. it'll be sid forever
[04:39] <Lowe> I'm bored..
[04:40] <Phated> Treenaks: Oh yeah, thought I'd throw it in anyway.
[04:40] <rcaskey> sid = S till I n D evelopment
[04:40] <Treenaks> no, sid is the evil boy nextdoor :)
[04:40] <Kamion> rcaskey: that's a retcon :)
[04:40] <lamont> Phated: s/sid,//
[04:40] <lamont> sid never releases
[04:40] <Phated> lamont: Yes, so it's been pointed out.
[04:40] <lamont> Treenaks: s/evil/unreleaseable/
[04:41] <Treenaks> lamont: uh.. watch toy story :)
[04:41] <tseng> some day we'll run out of obvious characters
[04:41] <Phated> There's always mom and dad.
[04:42] <tseng> hah
[04:42] <tseng> partyguest7
[04:42] <lamont> Treenaks: yeah, exactly.  evil, unreleasable boy next door who should never be let out of the house...
[04:42] <tseng> assistanttomrlightyear
[04:42] <Phated> LGM#1, LGM#2... LGM#459...
[04:42] <lamont> falkryn: frozen-bubble, starfighter have been given the tender loving clubbing that they needed...
[04:43] <Keybuk> tseng: Pixar release new movies faster than Debian release new versions
[04:43] <lamont> (fwiw, the i386 buildd's build arch all, hence all+!i386 is a bad state, and requires TLC...)
[04:43] <tseng> Keybuk: it wouldnt be the same if one day we found Nemo
[04:44] <Keybuk> there's still Toy Story 2, A Bug's Life and  Monsters Inc before Nemo
[04:44] <nemo> oh sure
[04:44] <tseng> hahaha
[04:44] <falkryn> lamont: thanks, may be a pattern but I've particularly noticed it with the games section in universe.  (supertux is another), I didn't know if there was some license reason or something
[04:44] <Keybuk> at least Ubuntu just has to worry about running out of adjectives :p
[04:44] <lamont> falkryn: how they got that way is a long story...  fixing them is fairly trivial, but takes a firm hand...
[04:47] <lamont> mdz/jdub alive yet?
[04:48] <jdub> yeah
[04:49] <lamont> 468 - we calling that normal or crit?  some nice man took my rant and debugged it while I slept. :-)
[04:50] <lamont> (move 3 lines, change 1)
[04:50] <lamont> debian 226443 has the patch
[04:50] <jdub> BLAST THOSE CRITTERS!
[04:51] <lamont> and acutally, snapping from debian may be an option, gotta look at what ubuntu[12]  have in them.
[04:51] <jdub> lamont: can you check those out and add comments?
[04:51] <lamont> yeah
[04:51] <jdub> thanks! :)
[04:52] <lamont> jdub: initscripts prettying.
[04:52] <lamont> so either -7ubuntu3, or -8ubuntu1.  damn forks
[04:53] <Kamion> lamont: let me know when you're happy for something to be pushed into sarge
[04:54] <Deft> package installation: http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~psh103/temp/packages.txt (sounded so much easier at the start...)
[04:55] <lamont> Kamion: it'll hit sid urg=high
[04:55] <lamont> 2.12-8 has just that one change from 2.12-7
[04:55] <lamont> did you want an email to -release for sarge?
[04:55] <Kamion> lamont: yes, but util-linux is frozen
[04:56] <Kamion> lamont: so it will need to be pushed by hand
[04:56] <lamont> Kamion: true... Just trying to be consistant.. :-)
[04:56] <Kamion> yeah, mail -release please
[04:56] <Kamion> ok, time to get coffee and attack #1337 I think
[04:57] <lamont> jdub: less work for me if we (now, probably not later...) if I just do -7ubuntu3
[04:57] <Kamion> it's actually kind of depressing to own bug #1337 :P
[04:57] <laotse> Kamion :)
[05:00] <fabbione> hey guys
[05:00] <laotse> hi fabbione
[05:00] <fabbione> i am searching for some help...
[05:01] <fabbione> basically i would like to change my mail setup and be MUA indipendent
[05:01] <fabbione> i already run imap, but what i would like to do is to be able to filter mails outside the mua
[05:01] <fabbione> i think something like procmail would do..
[05:01] <Kamion> fabbione: procmail or similar?
[05:01] <petemc> fabbione: exim filter is quite nice
[05:02] <Kamion> there's maildrop too
[05:02] <fabbione> Kamion: yes.. i am really searching for something simple to setup and maintain
[05:02] <lamont> fabbione: another 25-40 min or so
[05:02] <fabbione> petemc: i use postfix
[05:02] <petemc> not much good to you then :)
[05:02] <Kamion> procmail takes some deep staring at the manual to work out how it works, and then suddenly it becomes totally obvious
[05:02] <fabbione> lamont: fine for me.. i dedicated 4 days on it.. hour more or hour less isn't an issue :-)
[05:02] <lamont> fabbione: procmail is your friend, see mailbox_command in /etc/postfix/main.cf
[05:02] <thom> i use Mail::Audit, but fabio doesn't talk perl :-)
[05:02] <Kamion> hard to set up, easy to maintain
[05:03] <fabbione> so either maildrop or procmail
[05:03] <Kamion> its code is utterly vile yet somehow it's never ever gone wrong for me
[05:03] <fabbione> any other suggestions?
[05:03] <fabbione> lamont: yeps.. i saw that already.. i have one user in my system that gets mail via procmail
[05:03] <fabbione> (sks keyserver)
[05:04] <fabbione> thom: no more perl crap thanks :-)
[05:06] <petemc> what about sieve?
[05:06] <lamont> Kamion: mail sent
[05:08] <elim> how do i adjust the brightness? (my mac doesn't have any manual tuning buttons) 
[05:08] <elim> how do i adjust the brightness? (my mac doesn't have any manual tuning buttons) 
[05:09] <chutwig> good morning internet compatriots
[05:09] <fabbione> petemc: sieve?
[05:09] <elim> good afternoon 4:09 here
[05:09] <petemc> fabbione: yeah, its what exim filter is based on, seems like fairly simple syntax
[05:10] <petemc> fabbione: http://www.cyrusoft.com/sieve/
[05:10] <fabbione> petemc: i think i will start looking into procmail first
[05:10] <petemc> fair dos
[05:10] <fabbione> it has been the majority of the answers here ;)
[05:10] <petemc> :)
[05:12] <fabbione> lamont: is it safe to use the .forward to relay mails from postfix to procmail, without playing around with postfix config?
[05:12] <Kamion> lamont: ta
[05:12] <fabbione> i am in the situation that i really don't want to break anything
[05:12] <fabbione> Kamion: do you think you can send a .procmail example?
[05:13] <jdub> sieve is cool :)
[05:13] <fabbione> Kamion: a complex one would be fine to see different tricks
[05:16] <lamont> jdub: 468 updated
[05:16] <Kamion> fabbione: I can mail you my .procmailrc, I guess ...
[05:16] <Kamion> dunno how illuminating it'll be :)
[05:16] <lamont> fabbione: yeah.
[05:16] <fabbione> Kamion: if you can.. otherwise don't worry
[05:16] <fabbione> i am not going to steal "s3cr3t5" ;)
[05:16] <fabbione> lamont: thanks
[05:17] <Kamion> fabbione: sent
[05:17] <fabbione> Kamion: rocking!
[05:17] <Kamion> nah, nothing secret in my .procmailrc
[05:17] <flex> hi
[05:17] <jdub> lamont: just gave approve comment
[05:18] <lamont> damn.  now I have to do _that_ too... :-)
[05:18] <Kamion> debian-installer-utils |       1.06 |      unstable | source
[05:18] <Kamion> debian-installer-utils |       0.56 |         warty | source
[05:18] <lamont> gonna go start a warty cold-install to work on reproducing the postfix bitches
[05:18] <Kamion> this is going to be awkward ...
[05:18] <lamont> er, bugs.
[05:19] <fabbione> hmmmm
[05:19] <fabbione> 1510 is interesting
[05:20] <Mitario> hello everyone
[05:20] <seb128> hey Mitario 
[05:20] <Mitario> seb128, jdub, trashapplet is in gnome-applets :)
[05:20] <flex> can anyone tell me how to solve "unable to mount root fs on unknown-block" problem with 2.6.8.1 kernel? im googling all day and found nothing
[05:20] <seb128> Mitario: rocks
[05:21] <seb128> Mitario: I can bug report now ? :p
[05:21] <Tomcat_> Is there any way to add a new menu to GNOME easily? I want a new menu with my own apps in it...
[05:21] <jdub> Mitario: woooo :)
[05:21] <Mitario> seb128, i don't know yet :) but Riff is going to add the bugzilla component, I don't know if it's already been added :)
[05:21] <Mitario> jdub, :)
[05:21] <seb128> Mitario: the current standalone CVS is ok ? I'll do a package with this one for the moment
[05:22] <yam> this warty release is damn good
[05:22] <Mitario> seb128, jep, should be the same as the ubuntu trash applet
[05:22] <thom> moz 1.0PR is 60MB bigger than 0.93
[05:22] <jdub> thom: that so has to be a tarball inside a tarball error ;)
[05:22] <jdub> thom: they said it was smaller!
[05:23] <Mitario> hmm
[05:23] <BluMax> .
[05:23] <BluMax> .
[05:23] <thom> hahaha
[05:24] <thom> jdub: they left the CVS directories in the 1.0PR tarball
[05:24] <thom> it's now 4MB smaller than 0.93 ;-)
[05:25] <jdub> haha
[05:25] <jdub> "woops"
[05:25] <fabbione> Kamion: to which email address did you send the file?
[05:25] <fabbione> Kamion: i didn't get anything here
[05:26] <BluMax> .
[05:26] <sabdfl> i've made a few more tweaks to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/maintainers please let me know directly if there's anything else i need to cover at this stage
[05:27] <Mitario> hmmm ubuntu maintainers, is that a fun job? :-)
[05:27] <Kamion> fabbione: fabbione@fabbione.net
[05:29] <WW> I've got a few questions about kernel messages that occur while booting...
[05:29] <fabbione> Kamion: i didn't get anything here...
[05:29] <fabbione> ah ok
[05:30] <WW> What is "hw_random"?  Is this something to do with a hardware random number generator?
[05:30] <fabbione> it's stocked in the spamfilter queue
[05:30] <fabbione> with a really really weird error
[05:30] <Kamion> fabbione: 2004-09-20 16:17:22 1C9Pur-0008PV-00 => fabbione@fabbione.net R=lookuphost T=smtp H=trider-g7.fabbione.net [212.242.190.82]  C="250 Ok: queued as 593354F1B"
[05:30] <jordi> WW: give more context
[05:31] <Kamion> WW: see Documentation/hw_random.txt in the kernel
[05:31] <Kamion>         Hardware driver for Intel/AMD/VIA Random Number Generators (RNG)
[05:31] <fabbione> (host 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]  said: 451 4.5.0 Error in processing, id=24109-04-8, decoding2-get-file-types FAILED: 'file' utility (/usr/bin/file) failed, status=255 (65280 ) at /usr/sbin/amavisd-new line 3852. (in reply to end of DATA command))
[05:31] <fabbione> Kamion: that's the error :-)
[05:32] <Kamion> fabbione: the .procmailrc was an attachment, I guess file choked on it?
[05:32] <tseng> jdub: hm is there a printable version of the new maint guide
[05:32] <Se7h> i'll put my question here to
[05:32] <Se7h> /usr/include/asm/smp.h:73:26: mach_apicdef.h: No such file or directory
[05:32] <Se7h> hostfunc.c:37:27: linux/wrapper.h: No such file or directory
[05:32] <Se7h> hostfunc.c:103: error: parse error before "agp_memory"
[05:32] <Se7h> .
[05:33] <Se7h> and it ends:
[05:33] <Se7h> hostfunc.c:2125: error: `mem' undeclared (first use in this function)
[05:33] <Se7h> make: *** [hostfunc.o]  Error 1
[05:33] <fabbione> Kamion: could be... but i need to understand why
[05:33] <fabbione> Kamion: i never had this problem before with attachments
[05:33] <Kamion> Se7h: do you have linux-headers-<whatever> installed, and does the thing you're compiling use an appropriate -I flag to the compiler?
[05:34] <WW> jordi: When I boot, I can see some messages scroll by about "hw_random" that appear to be errors.
[05:34] <WW> In /var/log/syslog, I found:
[05:34] <Se7h> Kamion bout the flag...don't think so
[05:34] <Se7h> linux-headers....dunno
[05:34] <jdub> tseng: hmm, i don't know
[05:34] <WW> Sep 20 09:10:51 localhost kernel: hw_random: RNG not detected
[05:34] <Kamion> -I"/lib/modules/`uname -r`/build" is the usual
[05:34] <Se7h> how can i check ?
[05:35] <Kamion> Se7h: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l linux-headers-\*
[05:35] <Kamion> Se7h: install whichever matches your installed kernel (COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l linux-image-\*)
[05:35] <Se7h> No packages found matching linux-headers-*.
[05:35] <Se7h> lol :|
[05:36] <Se7h> oh
[05:36] <Kamion> Se7h: sounds like you haven't got warty main (from the network) uncommented in /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:36] <Se7h> image ?
[05:36] <Kamion> Se7h: or else, after you changed it, you didn't run apt-get update ...
[05:36] <Se7h> headers or image ?
[05:36] <Kamion> both
[05:37] <jordi> WW: maybe discover trying to load a module, you can ignore.
[05:37] <Se7h> i get one from image
[05:37] <Se7h> none from headersd
[05:37] <WW> Kamion: Sorry, but where is "Documentation/hw_random.txt"?
[05:37] <Kamion> linux-headers is what you need to install now, linux-image is the kernel package you have installed
[05:37] <pills_> is anyone successfully running the Belkin F5D6020 wireless card with ndiswrapper?
[05:37] <Se7h> about apt-get upgrade.....i did that a hour ago
[05:37] <Se7h> or so
[05:37] <Kamion> WW: I was looking in the kernel source; it's also in the linux-doc-2.6.8.1 package
[05:37] <Kamion> Se7h: oh, sorry, 'dselect update' to make dpkg -l work properly
[05:38] <Se7h> k
[05:38] <Se7h> brb 
[05:38] <Se7h> Information about 2196 package(s) was updated.
[05:38] <Se7h> done
[05:39] <Se7h> 'dpkg update' now ?
[05:40] <ish> Anyone having much luck with APM: eg) suspend on laptop lid close..
[05:40] <Kamion> Se7h: there's no such command as 'dpkg update'
[05:40] <Se7h> ups
[05:40] <Se7h> apt-get
[05:40] <Se7h> my bad
[05:40] <Kamion> Se7h: 'dselect update' runs 'apt-get update' as part of its operation
[05:41] <Se7h> ok
[05:42] <Se7h> what about the kernel headers?
[05:43] <Muttley> ahh, just remembered another reason for mplayer being useful
[05:43] <Kamion> Se7h: which linux-image package is listed as installed?
[05:43] <Muttley> mplayer-plugin :)
[05:43] <WW> Kamion:  Thanks, I'll take look. 
[05:43] <Se7h> ii  linux-image-2.6.8.1-2-386                    2.6.8.1-5                                    Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8.1 on 386.
[05:43] <Se7h> that one
[05:43] <Kamion> Se7h: install linux-headers-2.6.8.1-2-386, then
[05:43] <Se7h> ok
[05:43] <Se7h> lets see...
[05:44] <WW> Another error that I get when I boot concerns "yenta" and "i82365": I see [fail]  in the line involving these. 
[05:44] <WW> Is this beause I am not using a laptop?
[05:45] <Kamion> WW: sounds like it, those are PCMCIA modules
[05:45] <pills_> i think i82365 is for pcmcia..im not 100% tho
[05:45] <Kamion> WW: not clear why they're in /etc/modules in the first place, though
[05:45] <WW> Sorry I don't have the exact error message.  Would it also be in a log file somewhere?
[05:46] <pills_> syslog?
[05:46] <Kamion> we aren't using bootlogd, so probably not
[05:46] <Kamion> there might be something related in syslog
[05:46] <Kamion> WW: are those modules listed in /etc/modules?
[05:46] <Se7h> Setting up linux-headers-2.6.8.1-2-386 (2.6.8.1-6) ...
[05:46] <Se7h> done
[05:46] <Se7h> should work now..
[05:47] <Se7h> dam
[05:47] <rburton> i noticed that pcmcia support was installed on my desktop too, assumed it was a bug
[05:47] <Se7h> hostfunc.c:2125: error: `mem' undeclared (first use in this function)
[05:47] <Se7h> make: *** [hostfunc.o]  Error 1
[05:47] <Kamion> Se7h: you'll still need to make sure that whatever you're compiling uses the -I"/lib/modules/`uname -r`/build" flag to gcc
[05:48] <rburton> i really should write my Install Notes mail
[05:48] <Kamion> Se7h: there is, of course, the possibility that whatever you're compiling is just plain buggy
[05:48] <seb128> rburton: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1407 <- ok with sg loaded ... so where is the bug ? :)
[05:48] <Se7h> Kamion no....i don't think so
[05:48] <Se7h> it's the powervr drivers
[05:49] <Kamion> rburton: oh, this is the "we must install exactly the same set of packages on every system!" thing
[05:49] <Kamion> rburton: I keep meaning to jump up and down on mdz and jdub's heads until they relent in the case of pcmcia-cs :)
[05:49] <WW> Kamion: No, they are not in /etc/modules.
[05:49] <rburton> Kamion: surely that can be detected at install time :)
[05:49] <Kamion> Se7h: *shrug*, it's entirely possible that things haven't been updated for 2.6
[05:49] <jdub> Kamion, rburton: heh
[05:49] <Kamion> rburton: yes, and debian-installer does so, but we have explicitly overridden this by policy
[05:49] <Se7h> Kamion and probably is just that
[05:50] <Kamion> rburton: which I think is wrong in the PCMCIA case
[05:50] <Se7h> i have read somewhere in a forum
[05:50] <rburton> Kamion: ditto
[05:50] <Lowe> I have a problem starting my firewall (firestarter) it asks for the root password and everytime i put in it always says it's wrong (when it's not)
[05:50] <rburton> jdub: stomp stomp stomp
[05:50] <Se7h> about the drivers beeing only supported for 2.4
[05:50] <subterrific> rburton: thats awesome 4 cd/dvd-rom drives and it can't find one
[05:50] <jdub> *splat*splat*splat*
[05:50] <jdub> Kamion: maybe the "uninstall stupid stuff" thing is an option
[05:50] <jdub> Kamion: perhaps pose that to mdz
[05:50] <WW> Kamion: kern.log shows this:
[05:51] <WW> Sep 20 09:10:54 localhost kernel: Linux Kernel Card Services
[05:51] <WW> Sep 20 09:10:54 localhost kernel:   options:  [pci]  [cardbus]  [pm] 
[05:51] <WW> Sep 20 09:10:54 localhost kernel: Intel ISA PCIC probe: not found.
[05:51] <WW> Sep 20 09:10:54 localhost kernel: Device 'i823650' does not have a release() function, it is broken and must be fixed.
[05:51] <WW> Sep 20 09:10:54 localhost kernel: Badness in device_release at drivers/base/core.c:85
[05:51] <WW> Sep 20 09:10:54 localhost kernel:  [kobject_cleanup+64/101]  kobject_cleanup+0x40/0x65
[05:51] <WW> Sep 20 09:10:54 localhost kernel:  [__crc_pm_idle+4997010/5541136]  init_i82365+0x6f/0x179 [i82365] 
[05:51] <WW> Sep 20 09:10:54 localhost kernel:  [sys_init_module+227/468]  sys_init_module+0xe3/0x1d4
[05:51] <WW> Sep 20 09:10:54 localhost kernel:  [sysenter_past_esp+82/113]  sysenter_past_esp+0x52/0x71
[05:51] <Kamion> jdub: if we move pcmcia-cs from Base to Ship, that will be totally sufficient
[05:51] <Lowe> holy spam
[05:51] <subterrific> Lowe: did you enable root?
[05:51] <Lowe> no
[05:51] <WW> (Sorry if that was rude...)
[05:51] <jdub> Kamion: oh yeah
[05:51] <subterrific> then you have no root password
[05:51] <Lowe> WW it doesn't matter lol
[05:51] <Kamion> it's not so much a matter of uninstalling as of not installing it in the first place :-)
[05:51] <Lowe> how do i make one?
[05:51] <jdub> Kamion: but it will be automatically installed if the installer uses it?
[05:51] <subterrific> don't make one, use sudo instead
[05:51] <Kamion> jdub: if [ "$have_pcmcia" -eq 1 ]  && ! grep -q pcmcia-cs /var/lib/apt-install/queue 2>/dev/null; then
[05:51] <Kamion>         log "Detected PCMCIA, installing pcmcia-cs."
[05:51] <Kamion>         apt-install pcmcia-cs || true
[05:52] <jdub> ahr
[05:52] <subterrific> you can run firestarter with: gksudo firestarter
[05:52] <jdub> three lines of shell is always sexier than "yeah" ;-) ;-)
[05:52] <Kamion> have_pcmcia is worked out by looking in /sys/class/pcmcia_socket/
[05:52] <Lowe> But i can't because uhm it blinks up on the screen where i enter my password (i mean i don't run it in console)
[05:52] <Kamion> :-)
[05:52] <subterrific> how are you running it?
[05:53] <jdub> Kamion: i would be tentatively comfortable quimbying that one
[05:53] <Kamion> "quimby"?
[05:53] <jdub> mayor quimby
[05:53] <jdub> "i fully endorse..."
[05:53] <rburton> jdub: good man :)
[05:53] <Kamion> I've asked this before, haven't I
[05:53] <Lowe> Well it's in my menu
[05:53] <Se7h> well
[05:53] <jdub> so that case is kinda straightforward
[05:54] <Se7h> Kamion thanks alot for the help
[05:54] <Lowe> Firestarter and i click it (obviously) And it asks for the root password
[05:54] <Se7h> guess i'll have to w8 for 2.6 drivers
[05:54] <subterrific> Lowe: right click on the menu item and change the command to gksudo firestarter
[05:54] <jdub> the same may apply to lvm, evms, etc.
[05:54] <subterrific> then you enter your password
[05:54] <jdub> Kamion: see what matt thinks. it sounds reasonable to me.
[05:54] <subterrific> right click->Properties
[05:55] <Lowe> yay it works
[05:55] <subterrific> :)
[05:55] <Lowe> thanks subt
[05:55] <subterrific> np
[05:55] <Kamion> jdub: ok, cool
[05:55] <Se7h> posistive side - upgraded some hings
[05:55] <Se7h> *things 
[05:55] <Se7h> lol
[05:55] <Lowe> what ports does irc use?
[05:55] <subterrific> 6667 i think
[05:55] <Se7h> yes
[05:55] <Se7h> is one of them
[05:55] <Se7h> 6666 also
[05:56] <WW> ... syslog has a copy of the lines that are in kern.log, plus:
[05:57] <WW> localhost kernel: Intel ISA PCIC probe: not found.
[05:57] <WW> and
[05:57] <WW> localhost kernel: Device 'i823650' does not have a release() function, it is broken and must be fixed.
[05:57] <Lowe> Any idea why they changed the firefox ubuntu changed the firefox icon?
[05:57] <Lowe> that came out way wrong lol
[05:57] <Kamion> WW: I've seen the last one, seems fairly clearly a kernel bug
[05:58] <WW> Oops, these aren't what I meant to cut-n-paste...
[05:58] <Kamion> Lowe: trademark requirements, I think
[05:58] <Lowe> hmm
[05:58] <Lowe> I upgraded BMP this one can see kanji fine now w00t
[05:59] <WW> syslog also has two messages from hal.hotplug about /devices/platform/i823650
[05:59] <WW> and after those two lines, syslog has:
[05:59] <Lowe> Btw how do you add a channel to your favourites (xchat)
[05:59] <WW> localhost cardmgr[3995] : no sockets found!
[05:59] <Kamion> WW: right, sounds like we'll probably make those go away on desktop systems
[06:03] <WW> More strangeness: syslog is filling up with errors related to postfix:
[06:04] <WW> The following three lines are repeated every minute:
[06:04] <lamont> WW: what error?
[06:04] <WW>  postfix/local[7295] : fatal: open database /etc/aliases.db: No such file or directory
[06:04] <lamont> gah.  as root, say 'newaliases'
[06:04] <WW> postfix/master[4108] : warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/local pid 7295 exit status 1
[06:04] <lamont> WW: did you upgrade from woody, or fresh install?
[06:04] <WW> postfix/master[4108] : warning: /usr/lib/postfix/local: bad command startup -- throttling
[06:04] <ich> ih
[06:05] <WW> lamont: fresh install
[06:05] <ich> i do need the actual kernel-source (2.6.8
[06:05] <lamont> was the network configured when you booted?
[06:05] <lamont> er, during the install, that is.
[06:05] <WW> lamont: If you mean did it "just work", yes, it did.
[06:06] <lamont> right.
[06:06] <ich> please, need kernel-source 2.6.8
[06:06] <lamont> ich: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.8.1
[06:06] <ich> thx
[06:06] <ich> are that the actual ones?
[06:07] <lamont> yes
[06:07] <ich> thx
[06:07] <ich> ciao
[06:07] <Kamion> lamont: is newaliases not run during the installation?
[06:07] <lamont> Kamion: there's one case (that requires that, for whatever reason, myhostname wind up being empty
[06:08] <Kamion> ah
[06:08] <lamont> #1341, iirc
[06:08] <lamont> that's what I'm about to wander off for a while to reproduce.
[06:08] <Kamion> doom
[06:08] <lamont> well, actually, I'm going to take advantage of the nice day and sunlight to do some home chores, and then work the 2-midnight shift, more likely...
[06:10] <ubuntuwig> huzzahs are in order
[06:11] <Lowe> There finally figured out how to do it lol.
[06:11] <_Hiro_> I have a udev problem I think /dev/hdc doesn't exist
[06:11] <_Hiro_> it only exists for that session after I do touch /.dev/hdc
[06:12] <_Hiro_> anyone know how to solve that?
[06:13] <WW> lamont: Thanks. aliases.db now exists, and the errors in syslog have stopped.  Does this fix it "forever", or until I reboot?
[06:14] <lamont> WW: fixed.
[06:14] <lamont> whenever you modify /etc/aliases (to add new users, or whatever), you run /etc/newaliases.
[06:14] <lamont> Kamion: btw, a blank hostname is fatal to newaliases, you see.... :-(
[06:14] <_Hiro_> anyone know the solution to my problem pretty please, I'd like to get this hd mounted
[06:15] <ubuntuwig> quick question, how would i get the nautilus icons back on the desktop again?
[06:16] <Lowe> I asked my mum to leave me some cigs and she said ok. I went down to look for them and guess where she put them?
[06:16] <_Hiro_> in the toilet?
[06:16] <Kamion> ubuntuwig: Applications -> System Tools -> Configuration Editor, find /apps/nautilus/desktop, turn on whichever _visible options you want
[06:16] <vincent> in the fridge ?
[06:16] <Lowe> On top of the fish tank lol
[06:16] <ubuntuwig> Kamion: thanks
[06:17] <Lowe> I was looking for them for ages aswell lol
[06:17] <ubuntuwig> now that i've reinstalled everything seems to be quite n order
[06:17] <Lowe> Man BMP rocks
[06:17] <Kamion> BMP?
[06:18] <yuran> beep media player
[06:18] <Lowe> Beep-Media-Player
[06:18] <Lowe> lol
[06:18] <Kamion> ah
[06:18] <Lowe> Looks real nice.
[06:18] <Lowe> Plays real nice to
[06:18] <Lowe> brb im gonna make some coffee
[06:20] <WW> Poking around some more in syslog, and I see that I am getting errors when I use my cdrom (even though it appears to work fine)
[06:20] <WW> I just put a music cd in, and syslog shows errors like:
[06:21] <WW> localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdd, logical block 15
[06:21] <WW> localhost kernel: hdd: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[06:21] <WW> localhost kernel: hdd: command error: error=0x54
[06:21] <ubuntuwig> sounds like it's not getting along too well with your IDE controller or the device
[06:21] <WW> localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdd, sector 0
[06:22] <ubuntuwig> there's a specific kernel option that you can compile in to get around the 0x51 0x54 error
[06:22] <ubuntuwig> i had to compile it in for this computer when the hard drive was connected to the onboard controller
[06:24] <WW> ubuntuwig: Is "the 0x51 0x54 error" common?  Are there are docs about it?
[06:25] <ubuntuwig> ww: it must not be uncommon, since there's a specific kernel option to deal with it
[06:25] <ubuntuwig> let me see if i can find out which one
[06:26] <ubuntuwig> or not, because i don't have the kernel sources
[06:27] <ubuntuwig> it's somewhere in the section with all the IDE controller drivers
[06:27] <WW> ubuntuwig:  "...must not be uncommon..." I guess that makes sense :)
[06:27] <WW> Darn, I was hoping I wouldn't have to mess with kernel recompiles...
[06:28] <ubuntuwig> on the other hand, the kernel does have a whole lot of esoteric little options
[06:28] <ubuntuwig> i think it's mainly a problem with older IDE controllers
[06:28] <ubuntuwig> this one was an onboard 440LX controller
[06:28] <ubuntuwig> fossilized doesn't even begin to describe it
[06:29] <_Hiro_> my /dev/hdc isn't created a tboot, anybody know what can solve this?
[06:29] <WW> ubuntuwig: Older?  I got this computer in Feb or March this year! Its a Shuttle.
[06:29] <Nonphasis> why do I need to run dpkg-reconfigure linux-rest..-k7 before kernel module loads proporly?
[06:29] <Nonphasis> _Hiro_, is hda created?
[06:29] <ubuntuwig> WW: i just remember it happening on this controller and also on a 440BX
[06:29] <ubuntuwig> maybe computer jesus just hates you
[06:29] <_Hiro_> yes hda
[06:29] <Nonphasis> _Hiro_, is ide-cd loaded?
[06:30] <_Hiro_> if i do touch /.dev/hdc it creates both /dev/hdc and /dev/hdc1 and I can mount the hd for that session
[06:30] <_Hiro_> it's not a cd
[06:30] <_Hiro_> it's a hd
[06:30] <Nonphasis> hmm
[06:30] <_Hiro_> ide1 master controller
[06:30] <_Hiro_> ide1 was disabled during ubuntu install, ide0 wasn't, now it never creates /dev/hdc(1)
[06:31] <_Hiro_> it does create /dev/hda
[06:32] <WW> ubuntuwig: How serious is the problem?  I seem to be able to play music and rip CDs ok.
[06:32] <Lowe> I might set up another machine as a server, using Ubuntu, do you think that's a bad idea?
[06:32] <_Hiro_> anyone know?
[06:32] <ubuntuwig> WW: it's not really
[06:32] <WW> Just wondering if I can put off to tomorrow what I don't have to do today.
[06:35] <chutwig> huzzah
[06:37] <kagou> hi guys
[06:38] <Lowe> hey
[06:41] <mike_w> can anyone point me in the right direction to fix a problem with music player after a clean install [OSS device "/dev/dsp" is already in use by another program] ?
[06:42] <chutwig> did you turn esound on or something?
[06:42] <mike_w> now knowingly, only installed yesterday and not tweaked anything yet
[06:42] <mike_w> s/now/not
[06:44] <marquivon> hi. i've a redhat 9 system without a cd drive. i've saved the files from the iso on a system in a network
[06:45] <marquivon> will it be possible to install ubuntu through the network. if yes, can someone guide me to any documentation or give any hints? thanks
[06:46] <hypatia> There's a netboot installer, but the documentation explicitly defines it as out of scope:
[06:46] <Kamion> marquivon: yes, the files in /install/netboot/ can be used; you're probably best looking at the debian-installer documentation for now
[06:46] <hypatia> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-15.0100531885
[06:46] <Kamion> out of scope for the howto, yeah, that was a one-pager for the warty preview release
[06:47] <hypatia> that's what I meant
[06:47] <Lowe> marquivon you could always order a cd
[06:47] <Se7h> http://art.gnome.org/images/thumbnails/gdm_greeter/GDM-penguin-Shot.png
[06:48] <Se7h> LOL
[06:48] <Lowe> oh you have no drive lol
[06:48] <marquivon> thanks. actually i have the cd and have installed in 3 systems here
[06:48] <Lowe> Im really slow today
[06:48] <Lowe> sorry
[06:48] <marquivon> exactly :-) i'm looking at the documentation links
[06:49] <Kamion> marquivon: full documentation's on my queue as soon as I dig myself out from under installation bugs :-)
[06:49] <chutwig> i need to find somebody to talk to here about setting up an ubuntu repository
[06:50] <chutwig> rutgers mirrors so many other linux things that one more wouldn't hurt
[06:50] <marquivon> Kamion: :-)
[06:50] <Kamion> chutwig: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/mirror/document_view
[06:51] <chutwig> Kamion: well, i'm just a student, so i can't really do it myself :)
[06:51] <Kamion> chutwig: oh, "here" != this IRC channel then :)
[06:53] <crimsun> chutwig: best bet would be to talk to one of the administrators in the IT/IS dept(s)
[06:54] <chutwig> quite
[06:54] <chutwig> for now, it's time for 5 hours of boring class
[06:56] <Lowe[Dinner] > I won't be long
[06:58] <aitrus> is there a way to setup automatic (nightly) updates?
[06:58] <pitti> aitrus: put apt-get update && apt-get upgrade in /etc/cron.daily/ ?
[06:58] <aitrus> thanks
[06:58] <pitti> aitrus: in a small script wrapper, of course
[06:59] <plovs> pitti, how can I limit my updates to security updates only?
[06:59] <pitti> plovs: just comment the main/restricted/universe deb lines in /etc/apt/sources.list and just keep the security deb line
[07:00] <pitti> plovs: but then you cannot install new software any more
[07:00] <ponds> is the ubuntu kernel a stock 2.6.8.1 or is it patched with anything? if its patched, where do i get the sources?  I cant find it in apt.
[07:00] <pitti> plovs: after warty's release in October, you will only get security updates anyway
[07:00] <marquivon> i believe if i copy /install/netboot/* files in /ubuntu directory on a redhat linux 9 system, modify its grub.conf and add its entries, then it should work, right?
[07:00] <Kamion> ponds: somewhat patched, get the source package and look in debian/patches/ to see
[07:01] <ponds> ok, im having trouble locating the source package
[07:01] <Kamion> aitrus: completely automatic upgrades are not recommended; occasionally upgrades have to ask a question
[07:01] <Kamion> aitrus: you might like to use 'apt-get -dy dist-upgrade' to just download everything, then you can do the actual upgrade later
[07:02] <Kamion> ponds: make sure the deb-src line for warty main is uncommented in /etc/apt/sources.list; 'apt-get source linux-source-2.6.8.1'
[07:02] <Kamion> (you don't need to run that latter part as root)
[07:02] <ponds> oh oh
[07:02] <ponds> i was looking for kernel-source
[07:02] <ponds> not sure why it changed
[07:03] <Kamion> ponds: we took the opportunity to rename it while restructuring the package a bit
[07:03] <ponds> cool
[07:03] <Kamion> marquivon: hm, that might work, although you'd have to be careful not to nuke the RHL9 partition during the install
[07:04] <aitrus> is the "universe" archive like a contrib repository? (anyone can submit software to it)
[07:04] <Kamion> marquivon: you'll have to copy the right boot parameters from d-i though
[07:04] <marquivon> if it boots, that's enough. then will take backup  of rh9, and then reinstall the system
[07:04] <ponds> its a snapshot of debian unstable compiled against ubuntu
[07:04] <Kamion> aitrus: no, universe is everything in Debian main that's not Warty main
[07:04] <ponds> afaik
[07:04] <Kamion> marquivon: if you can boot over the network, PXE might be better
[07:04] <aitrus> thanks
[07:05] <marquivon> Kamion: can't use PXE as of now. btw what's d-i? debian installer?
[07:06] <Kamion> marquivon: yes
[07:06] <plovs> pitti, but is it possible to run updates from one repository only, without removing the other ones?
[07:07] <pitti> plovs: no easy way that I know of
[07:07] <DimSum> Hmm
[07:07] <DimSum> Are you guys looking into using something like Anaconda as the installer for Ubuntu?
[07:07] <pitti> plovs: I would write a small script which changes apt sources temporarily, does the upgrade and changes back the sources
[07:07] <DimSum> Because, although the Ubuntu installation was simple as hell, it wasn't exactly "inviting"
[07:07] <Kamion> DimSum: it may be an option in the future, but debian-installer seems to be doing sufficiently well that I imagine it will remain the default
[07:07] <plovs> pitti, I wrote this small script that does just that but it feels kind off funny
[07:07] <marquivon> Kamion: where will i get the debian installer parameters?
[07:08] <Kamion> DimSum: in the Hoary timeframe we'll be looking at adopting/writing/polishing a graphical version of debian-installer
[07:08] <pitti> plovs: there might be an easier way, though:
[07:08] <mike_w> according to a similar problem on the user lists, my totem problem [OSS device "/dev/dsp" is already in use by another program]  is linked to esd, but I'm having problems shutting it down..
[07:08] <Kamion> marquivon: syslinux.cfg in the CD image
[07:08] <DimSum> But it wasn't even graphical?
[07:08] <DimSum> Ahhh, right
[07:08] <pitti> plovs: you can run apt-get -c /etc/apt/update.conf upgrade
[07:08] <Kamion> "graphical" is not exactly minimum criterion for an installer :-)
[07:09] <pitti> plovs: create /etc/apt/update.conf which points to a different source list
[07:09] <Nonphasis> I just enabled Universe - is it dangerous to get stuff frem there?
[07:09] <Deft> jdub, Kamion, anyone I was talking to earlier, some thoughts on packages: http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~psh103/temp/packages.txt
[07:09] <DimSum> No, but if you want to be up there with the rest of the proper distroes
[07:09] <Kamion> "works" is about an order of magnitude more important, so we concentrated on that first
[07:09] <DimSum> Then a graphical installer is necessary
[07:09] <pitti> plovs: this is entry Dir::Etc::SourceList
[07:09] <pitti> plovs: man apt-get says it all
[07:09] <DimSum> I mean, lets face it, right now - when it's fully installed - Ubutnu is easily the nicest looking distro out there
[07:09] <Kamion> I fundamentally disagree, but it's not going to be productive talking about it here especially since we're going to be doing a graphical installer anyway
[07:09] <plovs> pitti, thanks, reading now
[07:09] <DimSum> It's like a distro which takes everything to the XD2 level
[07:09] <Lowe> That was decent
[07:10] <DimSum> But for me, the whole experience was let down by the installer
[07:10] <pitti> plovs: option -c is the one you look for
[07:10] <DimSum> Just reminded me of the RH6.2 days, tbh
[07:10] <jdub> Kamion: in fact, it's almost the other way around :)
[07:10] <Kamion> DimSum: dude, EOD, please :)
[07:10] <Nonphasis> actually, the installation was a breeze. Apart from the lack of keyboard layout selection
[07:10] <DimSum> EOD?
[07:10] <DimSum> Oh, k.
[07:10] <Kamion> Nonphasis: yeah, that's an open bug, if Mark approves it that question will return
[07:10] <DimSum> Nonphasis: Yeah; I know, it WAS easy, but just not beautiful, unlike the rest of the distro :P
[07:11] <DimSum> Just out of interest, are you using XFree86, or are you using XOrg? I haven't actually bothered to look yet
[07:11] <Kamion> XFree86, X.org for Hoary
[07:11] <Kamion> (it didn't quite make the cut)
[07:11] <Nonphasis> Kamion, well, approval would seem sensible considering the apparent focus of th distro
[07:11] <DimSum> Hoary being the next major version?
[07:12] <Kamion> Nonphasis: the initial thought was that it could be sufficiently automated, but this appears not to be the case given user feedback
[07:12] <Kamion> Nonphasis: we've been trying to cut questions out as far as possible
[07:12] <Kamion> DimSum: yeah, due April 2005
[07:12] <DimSum> That's quite a long way away; I assume we'll be talking version 5.0 then, rather than 4.2?
[07:12] <Kamion> 4.2?
[07:13] <Deft> DimSum, April is 4
[07:13] <DimSum> :\
[07:13] <Nonphasis> Kamion, Well, there could be a checxbox like "specify a special layout (advanced)
[07:13] <DimSum> Isn't Ubuntu 4.1 at the moment?
[07:13] <Kamion> oh, if you mean version of Ubuntu, 5.04
[07:13] <Kamion> the current version is 4.10, abbreviation of 2004.10
[07:13] <Nonphasis> Kamion, doing qwerty on dvorak = extreme pain
[07:13] <DimSum> Right
[07:13] <DimSum> Ahhh I see
[07:13] <Kamion> Nonphasis: nah, if we do it it'll just come back in the same way it's there in the Debian installer
[07:13] <DimSum> Right; brb - dinner.
[07:14] <Nonphasis> Kamion, fair enough
[07:16] <Lowe> I'm bored now :(
[07:16] <ponds> is the root password autoscrambled? or is there some master password?  i hope that someone doesnt figure out the password and own all our boxes
[07:16] <Kamion> ponds: it's disabled
[07:16] <Kamion> there is no root password, CERTAINLY no master password
[07:16] <ponds> ok great
[07:17] <Lowe> at least it's one less password to remember
[07:17] <ponds> i really like not being able to log in as root
[07:18] <mike_w> Kamion: if you boot to the ubuntu recovery mode, it asks for the root password. Would the primary user pw work instead?
[07:18] <mike_w> (not that I've needed to recover anything yet(
[07:18] <felixdz> hello. Mission control I have a problem. I used to be able to burn cd's with knoppix hdinstalled and fedora...
[07:18] <Kamion> mike_w: um, really? it should never ask for the root password unless you've set it (with 'sudo passwd root')
[07:19] <Kamion> mike_w: no, the primary user password wouldn't work
[07:19] <felixdz> but this weekend I have installed winXP, ubuntu and fedora
[07:19] <mike_w> Kamion: ah - ok. I think I had done that first (old habits die hard)
[07:19] <Kamion> mike_w: if you haven't set the root password, it should just let you straight in (you have physical access to the machine anyway ...)
[07:20] <felixdz> Now I can burn only in winXP, fedora appears to have changed the dev from dev=0,1,0 to 1,1,0
[07:20] <mike_w> Kamion: having set it, can I disable it again?
[07:20] <Kamion> mike_w: sudo passwd -l root
[07:20] <felixdz> ubuntu doesn't see anthing with cdrecord -scanbus even as root.
[07:20] <felixdz> Has anyone else experienced this?
[07:21] <mike_w> Kamion: thnx, so that's me back to how it should be again then?!
[07:21] <ponds> try cdrecord dev=ATAPI -scanbus
[07:21] <Kamion> mike_w: you're welcome to set it up either way
[07:21] <Kamion> mike_w: that would be back to the default, though, yes
[07:22] <mike_w> Kamion: as it is advantageous / recommended to leave root disabled so will prob stick with the default ;-)
[07:22] <felixdz> thanks ponds
[07:22] <mike_w> thanks
[07:30] <subterrific> so i just got to work and my ubuntu machine that had been sitting idle all weekend was reallllllly slloooooow
[07:31] <neighborlee> how do I report a bug when the component I need isn't listed ?
[07:31] <subterrific> i had to drop to a console and then it took about 30 seconds for top to start
[07:31] <jdub> neighborlee: UNKNOWN
[07:31] <neighborlee> ok
[07:31] <subterrific> and top showed negative cpu loads...
[07:31] <subterrific> first time i've seen that
[07:32] <sabdfl> mdz: ping
[07:32] <mdz> sabdfl: pong
[07:32] <sabdfl> would you be happy to convene the Technical Board every two weeks?
[07:32] <sabdfl> mdz: ^
[07:32] <subterrific> does ubunturun something by default that does cpu freq scaling?
[07:33] <Kamion> subterrific: yep, powernowd
[07:33] <mdz> sabdfl: I think so, yes
[07:33] <sabdfl> ok
[07:33] <sabdfl> i'll put that on the web site
[07:34] <sabdfl> we need a calendar...
[07:34] <mdz> we might space them further apart once Ubuntu is more architecturally stable
[07:34] <mdz> but we have a lot of decisions to make at this point
[07:34] <sabdfl> i think it's good to have a regular meeting, so people can submit items for discussion. if there are few items, it's a quick meeting
[07:35] <sabdfl> and yes, it might have to meet more regularly for the next little while :-)
[07:35] <Nonphasis> are we supposed to use totem for video playback?
[07:36] <subterrific> Kamion: `i'm wondering if it scaled my cpu really low cause it sat idle all weekend and then couldn't scale it back up
[07:36] <mike_w> are there any linux media players that can handle .m4a's (apple itunes)?
[07:36] <subterrific> i was able to reboot the machine, but it took like 15 minutes for it to reboot
[07:36] <pitti> Nonphasis: it sucks, but it is the best one can get without (too many) patent infringements
[07:36] <subterrific> its a 3ghz HT P4
[07:36] <felixdz> I am just going to see if I can get cdrecord to go in fedora then I'll come back. TTFN
[07:37] <pitti> Nonphasis: (of course, the first thing to do on a Desktop is to install mplayer or totem-xine)
[07:37] <sabdfl> mdz: when do you want to host the next meeting?
[07:37] <Nonphasis> pitti, too bad I can't view any of my media content w/o infringing a patent or two ;-)
[07:37] <Lowe> Someone should prt foobar to linux
[07:37] <Nonphasis> gotta go compile that mplayer then...
[07:37] <Lowe> pot*
[07:37] <Lowe> port*
[07:37] <Lowe> damn it
[07:37] <pitti> Nonphasis: I agree, but we cannot ship the good stuff, you have to download it for yourself
[07:38] <pitti> Nonphasis: you can apt totem-xine, this uses the very good xine libs
[07:38] <sabdfl> Nonphasis: what are you compiling? everything should be in mplayer?
[07:38] <pitti> Nonphasis: but I prefer mplayer myself and it's easy to compile
[07:38] <Nonphasis> Lowe, foobar kinda almost works with wine
[07:38] <mdz> sabdfl: what is the intended arrangement?  canonical ubuntu folks, and anyone else who is interested?
[07:38] <Lowe> Yeah, but it's not exactly convient.
[07:38] <Nonphasis> sabdfl, I have bad experiences with stock debian mplayer
[07:38] <pitti> Nonphasis: you don't even need to install it, just putting the mplayer binary into ~/bin/mplayer works
[07:38] <Lowe> Anyone used lamip? i have trouble compiling it
[07:39] <pitti> Nonphasis: agreed, it was damn slow on my system. Compiling it for myself really rocked the house then
[07:39] <Lowe> http://fondriest.frederic.free.fr/realisations/lamip/download.html < lamip
[07:39] <sabdfl> Nonphasis: what would you change on your own compile?
[07:39] <Lowe> I compiled mplayer but it didn't go to smoothly
[07:40] <Nonphasis> sabdfl, I dunno. Perhaps debian mplayer doesn't support all the codecs that can be d/ld from mplayerhq
[07:40] <pitti> Nonphasis: that's not true
[07:40] <sabdfl> Nonphasis: if you could make a list, we can make sure that it's all in universe
[07:40] <pitti> Nonphasis: the codecs you can download are windows dlls, and they should work with any mplayer
[07:40] <Nonphasis> sabdfl, and the stock version couldn't even scale the window properly
[07:41] <Nonphasis> sabdfl, I mean, full screen wasn't fullscreen
[07:41] <Lowe> By the way what codecs do i need for mplayer, i only downloaded the win32 ones lol
[07:41] <OZ8AAZ> where the kernel-headers for 2.6.8?
[07:41] <pitti> Lowe: for my usage, the builtin codecs are fine, I don't use dlls
[07:41] <sabdfl> mdz: yes, it's an open invite, search for consensus among board members and team members of the proposed item
[07:41] <Nonphasis> I'll go try the stock mplayer now
[07:41] <Lowe> pitti even when compiling from source?
[07:41] <pitti> Lowe: but the Win32 DLLs are in fact the ones to use, mplayer can use them
[07:41] <Se7h> problem with glib
[07:41] <sabdfl> if the meeting gets too noisy, switch to a closed environment and publish the transcript
[07:41] <Se7h> Reading Package Lists... Done
[07:41] <Se7h> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[07:41] <Se7h> E: Couldn't find package glib-2.3.2.ds1-13ubuntu2
[07:42] <Se7h> 0.o
[07:42] <Kamion> Se7h: it's glibc, not glib
[07:42] <pitti> Lowe: what do you mean?
[07:42] <Nonphasis> hmm? mplayer is not in universe?
[07:42] <sabdfl> mdz: how about tomorrow, at around 9am your time?
[07:42] <Kamion> Nonphasis: it's not in Debian main, so it's not in universe ...
[07:42] <pitti> Nonphasis: no, because it is not in Debian sid
[07:42] <Lowe> Well i downloaded the source and compiled it. But when i go to watch a movie i get errors
[07:42] <Nonphasis> ah, I remember now.. it was some seedy apt source
[07:43] <Se7h> ups
[07:43] <Se7h> sorry
[07:43] <Se7h> forget it
[07:43] <Se7h> wrong lib anyway
[07:44] <Se7h> checking for GLIB - version >= 2.0.0... no
[07:44] <linux_mafia> i couldnt get totem to play dvds, even with libdvdcss installed, xine was fine though :(
[07:44] <Lowe> I'm having problems adding this to my repository thing http://rarewares.soniccompression.com/debian/packages/unstable/ anyone wanna try and add it?
[07:45] <Lowe> It has some nice audio stff i would love to grab
[07:46] <linux_mafia> anyone got totem to play dvds?
[07:46] <[Scizo] > guess i have another thing to thank ubuntu linux for .. i signed up for the user mailing list, and now i finally got around to installing and configuring procmail :D
[07:46] <mdz> sabdfl: eek
[07:46] <mdz> sabdfl: ok, can do
[07:47] <sabdfl> mdz: your choice of time, whenever suits you
[07:47] <martink> hey seb128, markmc found the gpdf http crasher. The bug was in gnome-vfs and gpdf didn't check return values :-/
[07:47] <mdz> sabdfl: I'll need to put together an agenda
[07:47] <seb128> martink: rock !
[07:47] <mdz> sabdfl: how about wednesday?
[07:47] <sabdfl> mdz: see RecentChanges
[07:47] <seb128> martink: that's fixed in head ?
[07:47] <Lowe> did anyone get that to work?
[07:47] <gommans> linux_mafia: did you have subtiles in xine when running dvds?
[07:48] <mdz> sabdfl: aha
[07:48] <linux_mafia> gommans, no
[07:48] <linux_mafia> gommans, worked perfectly
[07:48] <sabdfl> mdz: i just want to get into a regular rhythm on that front
[07:48] <gommans> but I need subtitles (or my wife does).............
[07:49] <linux_mafia> gommans, well i assume they work, just i havent tested
[07:49] <gommans> ok!
[07:49] <_Hiro_> man ubuntu is a hard sell here
[07:49] <fabbione> sabdfl: would be an option to use #ubuntu-meeting ?
[07:49] <renners> hi all
[07:49] <fabbione> sabdfl: since it's already logged?
[07:49] <martink> seb128: I just got the bugzilla mail.
[07:50] <sabdfl> fabbione: good idea :-)
[07:50] <seb128> martink: #nnnn ?
[07:50] <_Hiro_> tough to install, doesn't find my HD and keeps choosing my built-in audio card even when it's disabled in my BIOS :)
[07:50] <Nonphasis> _Hiro_, "here"? Isn't it pretty much sold here already?
[07:50] <fabbione> sabdfl: :-)
[07:50] <_Hiro_> here as in here with me ;)
[07:51] <_Hiro_> I'm coming from gentoo, hoping this would be the better distro but sadly I could setup a gentoo box in less time than it took the ubuntu to install :/
[07:51] <egonizer> somebody should make something like "Hello I'm Linus Torvalds and I pronounce Linux 'Linux'" for ubuntu
[07:51] <Kamion> OZ8AAZ: linux-headers-*
[07:51] <martink> seb128: #153159, I'll mark yours as dup of that later
[07:51] <seb128> ok, thanks
[07:51] <Nonphasis> _Hiro_, it's not just setup that matters, but everyday operation... 
[07:52] <linux_mafia> egonizer, i used to love that
[07:52] <_Hiro_> well it's that that is borked....
[07:52] <OZ8AAZ> Kamion: Great! Thnax!
[07:52] <OZ8AAZ> ...thanks...
[07:52] <_Hiro_> I did get it to set up eventually, I'm using it right now
[07:52] <Lowe> I will ask again, how would i go about adding this to my repository thing http://rarewares.soniccompression.com/debian/packages/unstable/
[07:53] <Nonphasis> _Hiro_, also remember that it's still a preview release. Still much smoother than plain debian
[07:53] <_Hiro_> but udev doesn't see my 80G HD, my sound is borked and no doubt there may be other things ;)
[07:53] <egonizer> linux_mafia, everybody does :-)
[07:53] <_Hiro_> preview or not :/
[07:53] <_Hiro_> I think it's a bit too high lvl during the install
[07:53] <linux_mafia> Lowe, maybe if you actually looked at the site http://rarewares.soniccompression.com/debian.html
[07:53] <rasher> hrm.. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto claims I need "linux-restricted modules >= 2.6.8.1.1-3", but all I have is 2.6.8.1.0-2 .. is there an ubuntu equivalent to "unstable" that I need to switch to to get the latest and greatest?
[07:54] <Lowe> It doesn't tell me how to add those packages though
[07:54] <_Hiro_> anyway I come here to whine, so you'll pity me and will help me ;)
[07:54] <Lowe> And i want those ;_;
[07:54] <Nonphasis> _Hiro_, I hit an IDE bug as well. Have you complained on the mailing list or filed a bug?
[07:54] <_Hiro_> not yet :/
[07:55] <_Hiro_> wouldn't know how to formulate it
[07:55] <_Hiro_> basically it's udev not creating the node
[07:55] <_Hiro_> it only creates it *after* I touched /.dev/hdc manually
[07:55] <Nonphasis> _Hiro_, please do. I got a solution within a day
[07:55] <_Hiro_> via the mailing list?
[07:55] <linux_mafia> Lowe, what packages are "those"?
[07:55] <_Hiro_> I'll try
[07:55] <Nonphasis> _Hiro_, yes
[07:55] <Lowe> lamip
[07:56] <_Hiro_> I'm trying to stick with ubuntu anyway
[07:56] <_Hiro_> anyone know how I can solve my sound issue? :|
[07:56] <_Hiro_> I got 2 cards detected
[07:56] <phlaegel> what component would the Computer menu be in for bug filing? main-menu? gnome-panel?
[07:56] <linux_mafia> Lowe, apt-get install lamip
[07:56] <_Hiro_> but I want my SB live to be the main one
[07:56] <fabbione> sabdfl: can you add at which time the meeting will be held and who is supposed to partecipate?
[07:56] <Kamion> phlaegel: definitely not main-menu, that's part of the installer
[07:56] <_Hiro_> since that's actually the only activated one
[07:56] <Nonphasis> _Hiro_, exactly my problem, had the same with debian
[07:56] <Nonphasis> _Hiro_, blacklist the other card
[07:57] <_Hiro_> doesn't work
[07:57] <phlaegel> Kamion: I was wondering that... was why I asked :-)
[07:57] <sabdfl> fabbione: will do
[07:57] <phlaegel> Kamion: panel, then?
[07:57] <_Hiro_> I blacklisted snd_via82xx and the module still gets loaded
[07:57] <Nonphasis> _Hiro_, what blacklist did you use?
[07:57] <_Hiro_> /etc/hotplug/blacklist, I appended snd_via82xx to it
[07:57] <sabdfl> mdz: what time can i set for the meeting?
[07:58] <Nonphasis> _Hiro_, how about discover blacklist?
[07:58] <_Hiro_> because it's what I see in /proc/asound/cards
[07:58] <_Hiro_> I only have discover.conf in etc
[07:58] <Nonphasis> _Hiro_, debian always requires lots of blacklisting ;-)
[07:58] <linux_mafia> _Hiro_, i had the same prob, not in ubuntu, but in debian, i just actually deleted the offending module, kinda barbaric, but it was effective
[07:58] <crimsun> don't do blacklist it.
[07:58] <mdz> sabdfl: any time 1600 UTC or later is good for me
[07:58] <crimsun> don't blacklist, rather.
[07:58] <_Hiro_> may I paste something here?
[07:58] <crimsun> instead, use the index parameter
[07:58] <_Hiro_> 4 lines
[07:58] <Kamion> phlaegel: I don't know exactly, but gnome-panel's probably a good first guess
[07:58] <Nonphasis> _Hiro_, "snd-via82xx"
[07:59] <Nonphasis> crimsun, please tell more :)
[07:59] <crimsun> snd-emu10k1's options should include index=1
[07:59] <_Hiro_> 0 [rev20          ] : VIA686A - VIA 82C686A/B rev20
[07:59] <_Hiro_>                      VIA 82C686A/B rev20 at 0x9c00, irq 11
[07:59] <_Hiro_> 1 [Live           ] : EMU10K1 - Sound Blaster Live!
[07:59] <_Hiro_>                      Sound Blaster Live! (rev.5) at 0xc000, irq 10
[07:59] <crimsun> snd-via82xx's options should include index=2
[07:59] <_Hiro_> that's what's in asound
[07:59] <renners> hi. how to shutdown xserver please? (I'm trying to install nvidia drivers!)
[07:59] <_Hiro_> and that VIA is actually DISABLED in my BIOS!
[07:59] <Nonphasis> renners, /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[07:59] <renners> thanx
[07:59] <_Hiro_> Nonphasis, not with _ ?
[08:00] <Nonphasis> _Hiro_, I did both
[08:00] <_Hiro_> I'll try as well, doesn't hurt :/
[08:00] <Nonphasis> crimsun, do the options go in normal places? modprobe.d?
[08:01] <crimsun> Nonphasis: they go on an options line.
[08:01] <_Hiro_> crimsun where would I put the index=2 ?
[08:01] <_Hiro_> in grub?
[08:01] <Nonphasis> not grub
[08:01] <crimsun> options snd-emu10k1 index=1
[08:02] <crimsun> options snd-via82xx index=2
[08:02] <_Hiro_> o in /etc/modules?
[08:02] <crimsun> for modutils, they would go in the appropriate file, and update-modules would update /etc/modules.conf accordingly
[08:02] <Nonphasis> crimsun, isn't modutils deprpcated?
[08:03] <crimsun> for module-init-tools, i suspect the process is similar, but i believe update-modules isn't needed
[08:03] <Nonphasis> isn't m-i-t what ppl should use now?
[08:03] <crimsun> for 2.6, yes
[08:03] <rasher> What do I need to do to get linux-restricted modules >= 2.6.8.1.1-3 (as mentioned in http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto) ?
[08:04] <Nonphasis> rasher, the version in repo should work ok
[08:04] <rasher> Nonphasis: come again?
[08:04] <Nonphasis> crimsun, can I just add a file w/ the lines in modprobe.d?
[08:05] <Nonphasis> rasher, I mean if you just need nvidia driver
[08:06] <rasher> Nonphasis: I need just that, yes. It did seem kind of weird, but what I'm missing is the nvidia-glx-config. Didn't really think that'd be in linux-restricted-etc anyway, but I thought I might as well try to follow the directions.
[08:06] <_Hiro_> hmm I don't get this options thing I though it was supposed to go in /etc/modules.conf :/
[08:06] <crimsun> Nonphasis: yes.
[08:07] <Nonphasis> rasher, just install all the stuff suggested by nvidia-glx
[08:07] <Nonphasis> rasher, and remember to add "nvidia" to /etc/modules
[08:08] <crimsun> _Hiro_: just create two new files in /etc/modprobe.d/: snd-emu10k1 and snd-via82xx. In each file, place an options <module> index=<#> line
[08:08] <rasher> Nonphasis: I see.
[08:08] <_Hiro_> aha
[08:08] <_Hiro_> and the number needs to be lowest for emu10k1 I assume?
[08:08] <crimsun> yes. 1 for emu10k1, 2 for via82xx
[08:09] <tseng> hmm where is lame?
[08:09] <crimsun> rather 1 for snd-emu10k1, 2 for snd-via82xx
[08:09] <tseng> lisence silliness?
[08:09] <WW> rasher, Nonphasis: Is that a mistake on the web page that rasher referred to?  I have linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-2-386, version 2.6.8.1.0-2, and the nvidia driver (nvidia-glx) works.
[08:10] <Mayday_> gthumb hangs when i try to import from my nikon coolpix880 :(
[08:10] <rasher> WW: How do I get a newer linux-restricted-modules then?
[08:10] <_Hiro_> I need to run modules-update afterwards?
[08:10] <Nonphasis> WW, I dunno. I just installed wehatever was immediately apt-gettable
[08:11] <WW> Nonphasis: Me too (yesterday).
[08:11] <Nonphasis> WW, I did it today. I had to put nvidia to /etc/modules to make it work, though
[08:11] <rasher> WW, but what of the nvidia-glx-config?
[08:12] <WW> rasher: Take a look in synaptic (Computer->System Configuration->Synaptic Package Manager
[08:12] <rasher> WW: looking for what?
[08:12] <Nonphasis> rasher, "sudo apt-cache search restricted"
[08:13] <pitti> npmccallum: ping
[08:13] <Nonphasis> sudo not needed in fact
[08:13] <WW> rasher: Do you have linux-restricted-modules-<whatever> installed?
[08:13] <WW> rasher: ... and do you have nvidia-glx installed?
[08:13] <rasher> WW: I do, yes.. I also have the nvidia kernel module and I could modprobe it and it'd probably work.. I was just following the directions in the wiki, which seems to be misleading
[08:13] <Nonphasis> rasher, they are
[08:14] <rasher> wellthen.
[08:15] <rasher> remind me what to dpkg-reconfigure to get it to ask me which X driver to use
[08:15] <rasher> xserver-xfree86
[08:15] <WW> rasher: I muddled through this yesterday.  I didn't use nvidia-glx-config, so I'm not sure what it does.  I didn't see that web page until later :)
[08:16] <lamont> that's at least 11 serious bugs to file against debian.
[08:16] <lamont> (there are a lot of games that don't know the difference between dpkg-buildpackage -b and -B...)
[08:17] <lamont> hrm... /me wonders
[08:17] <WW> rasher: Did you just answer your own question?  I also disabled GLCore.
[08:17] <rasher> WW: I did, yes
[08:18] <rasher> here we go
[08:18] <rasher> all the GL acceleration I can eat
[08:18] <rasher> here's hoping this gets slightly easier before release
[08:19] <npmccallum> pitti: pong
[08:19] <WW> rasher: The actual steps weren't too bad, it was just knowing what steps to take!
[08:19] <pitti> in #ubuntu-devel I discussed with mdz about the cd-burning locking
[08:19] <pitti> npmccallum: ^
[08:20] <lamont> sigh.  /me discusses order-of-operation with himself
[08:20] <pitti> npmccallum: mdz seems to be hesitant to allow big pmount/hal patches for this
[08:20] <pitti> npmccallum: do you have any idea how to achieve this device locking unintrusively?
[08:21] <rasher> WW: and this is unfortunate if you're trying to be a relatively easy-to-use desktop distro
[08:21] <WW> rasher: yup. 
[08:22] <WW> rasher: ... but I guess it wouldn't hurt if I added my rough notes to the wiki...
[08:22] <_Hiro_> it sort of worked, I only have my SB live left but it killed the oss emulation because have no more /dev/dsp :/
[08:24] <pere_> This distro really Rocks. I have been using Redhat and Suse for five years. Ubuntu is just unbelieveably much better!
[08:24] <phlaegel> does the bittornado gui work for anyone? mine says it's missing wxpython, even though the package is installed.
[08:25] <subterrific> phlaegel: use azureus instead :0
[08:25] <pere_> How often will the packages be updated? Mening when should I expect things like Firefox 0.10?
[08:25] <subterrific> you'll need to install java and such
[08:25] <sabdfl> mdz: ok, 1600UTC it is
[08:25] <linux_mafia> subterrific, no java in ubunutu
[08:25] <sabdfl> mjg59: around?
[08:26] <linux_mafia> ubuntu even
[08:26] <phlaegel> I don't like azureus all that much... rather use something simple
[08:26] <subterrific> its easy to install
[08:26] <linux_mafia> subterrific, how did you do it?
[08:26] <mjg59> sabdfl: Hi
[08:26] <subterrific> took me about 10 minutes to install java and setup azureus
[08:26] <subterrific> i downloaded java from java.com
[08:26] <subterrific> ran the installer
[08:27] <linux_mafia> subterrific, deb package or just bin>
[08:27] <Nonphasis> damn, now alsamixer doesn't find any devices...
[08:27] <linux_mafia> ?
[08:27] <subterrific> added java to my path
[08:27] <subterrific> linux_mafia: no .deb
[08:27] <Nonphasis> should the sound card indices start from 0 or 1?
[08:27] <subterrific> had to do it all manually
[08:27] <linux_mafia> subterrific, oooh thats the hard way
[08:27] <subterrific> if you consider downloading a file and untaring it hard
[08:28] <phlaegel> it's more work than apt-get install foo ;-)
[08:28] <subterrific> well you can't do that with java
[08:28] <linux_mafia> subterrific, this is the best and easiest way i think http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php 
[08:28] <linux_mafia> makes a deb, sets up browser plugins, paths and all
[08:29] <subterrific> i did all that except making a .deb package
[08:31] <Nonphasis> crimsun, FYI - sound card indexes start from 0, not 1
[08:32] <linux_mafia> apart from the flash deb from unstable, and the marillats css deb, im still all ubuntu im proud to say
[08:32] <linux_mafia> although i have a hankering for xmame, heh
[08:32] <Nonphasis> and k3b soon
[08:33] <linux_mafia> k3b is in ubuntu
[08:33] <linux_mafia> or you mean non universe?
[08:33] <npmccallum> pitti: the patches shouldn't be that big, should they?
[08:33] <Nonphasis> linux_mafia, yes
[08:33] <theantix> anyone here got the mplayer mozilla plugin working?
[08:33] <pitti> npmccallum: not for the cd creator, but for pmount
[08:34] <npmccallum> pitti: if only pmount was in python ;)
[08:34] <pitti> npmccallum: I would _really_ like to write pmount in python, this would safe a lot of trouble
[08:35] <npmccallum> pitti: thats a hoary goal
[08:35] <pitti> npmccallum: but there are no suid-root python programs, are they?
[08:35] <Nonphasis> wnat does pmount do?
[08:35] <npmccallum> pitti: well, kinda
[08:35] <pitti> Nonphasis: man pmount
[08:36] <Nonphasis> ah
[08:36] <Nonphasis> is there a problem w/ suid + python?
[08:36] <npmccallum> pitti: you'd have to create a suid wrapper in C that calls pmount
[08:36] <elim> has anyone got amsn working on a ppc?
[08:37] <pitti> npmccallum: hmm, that could work
[08:37] <npmccallum> Nonphasis: I'm pretty sure interpretted scripts can't be setuid
[08:37] <Nonphasis> suid mechanism only works with elf?
[08:37] <npmccallum> Nonphasis: yes
[08:37] <Nonphasis> suck
[08:37] <npmccallum> pitti: you'd basically create a python library that would handle both mounting and unmounting, then have the c frontend call it
[08:37] <subterrific> you can compile some python programs to elf i think
[08:38] <pitti> subterrific: how?
[08:38] <npmccallum> pitti: if you wanted to, you could even embed the python interpreter for speed
[08:38] <Nonphasis> and a suid wrapper should be trivial
[08:38] <pitti> npmccallum: freeze.py?
[08:38] <pitti> npmccallum: na, this is something to fill huge Windows cds with
[08:38] <pitti> npmccallum: this does not buy any speed advantage
[08:38] <subterrific> pitti: i think its called pyrex
[08:39] <pitti> subterrific: thanks for that hint, will take a look at this
[08:39] <npmccallum> pitti: you're right...
[08:39] <rasher> hrm, what's the gnome way of mounting a file-system?
[08:39] <Nonphasis> not pyrex
[08:39] <subterrific> pitti: nm, pyrex is for compiling modules only
[08:39] <Nonphasis> pyrex = python lookalike that compiles to C + python api commands
[08:39] <pitti> rasher: have hal run as root and mess up your /etc/fstab
[08:40] <elm1> has anybody got an idea how to access my windoze partition from ubuntu?
[08:40] <Nonphasis> elm1, mount it?
[08:40] <subterrific> Nonphasis: you could use pyrex to write an app though right? if you used libpython
[08:40] <linux_mafia> elm1, ntfs or fat?
[08:40] <npmccallum> elm1: is it ntfs or fat?
[08:40] <linux_mafia> snap
[08:40] <elm1> ntfs
[08:40] <elm1> win xp
[08:41] <subterrific> instead of compiling a module, just use libpython, cause doesn't pyrex just generate C code?
[08:41] <Nonphasis> subterrific, I'm not sure, perhaps in recent versions
[08:41] <mjg59> elm1: There's no support for writing to ntfs partitions at the moment
[08:41] <elm1> ahh
[08:41] <elm1> reading ?
[08:41] <Nonphasis> subterrific, c code that uses libpython for manipulating data structs
[08:41] <elm1> cause i can't even eem to do that
[08:41] <wido> anyone tried to get a usb-bluetooth device running?
[08:42] <npmccallum> elm1: reading will work -- modprobe ntfs && mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows
[08:42] <subterrific> Nonphasis: its not a feature of pyrex, but i'm saying, if pyrex generates C code that compiles to a python module, it doesn't seem like it would be much harder to take that code and make it a stand alone app that links to libpython
[08:42] <npmccallum> wido: works for me
[08:42] <linux_mafia> put this in fstab, adjusted for your system /dev/<yourwinpart>       /mnt/<yourdir>        ntfs    ro,noauto,user,uid=<useruid>,gid=<usergid>,umask=0227 0 0
[08:42] <Nonphasis> subterrific, yes, it should be trivial.
[08:43] <elm1> thanx !
[08:43] <linux_mafia> elm1, it will appear in the computer -> disks menu, mount away
[08:43] <wido> npmccallum: all neccessary modules are loaded on startup, but the device isn't detected :(
[08:43] <Nonphasis> subterrific, just implement main() 
[08:43] <subterrific> there are several things that freeze python code into a .exe also, i've never used them though. i think they just generate a small C wrapper that uses libpython and calls your code
[08:44] <linux_mafia> elm1, is it a single user box?
[08:44] <Nonphasis> I've used py2exe (windos)
[08:44] <petemc> linux_mafia:-o umask=022 is all thats needed for ntfs
[08:45] <elm1> yes - single user
[08:45] <mike_w> Kamion: btw, even having removed the root pw, booting to the recovery mode still asked for the root password
[08:45] <elm1> i am currently using my work laptop to try out ubuntu
[08:46] <elm1> my home laptop runs suse - which i probalby wil replace
[08:46] <linux_mafia> petemc, probably, i just copied an example i had from somewhere
[08:47] <Kamion> mike_w: it doesn't here ...
[08:47] <Kamion> mike_w: please file a bug
[08:47] <npmccallum> wido: I'm not sure, it just works with mine
[08:48] <linux_mafia> wido, usb-bt is perfect on my box
[08:49] <_Hiro_> ok new challenge :P :  I get /dev/dsp0 and /dev/dsp1 created, I made a symlink dsp to dsp1, now how do I make sure it'll survive reboots? :|
[08:49] <linux_mafia> wido, what exactly are you trying to do with bt?
[08:50] <wido> linux_mafia: i'm trying to upload files from my mobile to the pc and back
[08:50] <linux_mafia> wido, did you add jdubs bt repo?
[08:50] <Nonphasis> do I need to run something after creating a file in modprobe.u before I reboot?
[08:50] <subterrific> linux_mafia: those instructions for installing java don't with with the 1.5 jre
[08:50] <wido> linux_mafia: i had it working with gentoo and it looks as if all needed modules are loaded by ubuntu
[08:50] <subterrific> just fyi
[08:50] <Nonphasis> modprobe.d even
[08:51] <wido> linux_mafia: nope. were is it located?
[08:51] <truk_away> i've got instructions to installing jre 1.5 in ubuntu... but in spanish
[08:51] <linux_mafia> subterrific, what? dont work with the 1.5 beta?
[08:51] <subterrific> right
[08:51] <subterrific> there is no jre beta anymore
[08:52] <subterrific> its a rc now
[08:52] <linux_mafia> wido, deb http://people.no-name-yet.com/~jdub/warty ./
[08:52] <linux_mafia> wido, apt-get install gnome-bluetooth
[08:52] <linux_mafia> subterrific, rc, beta whatever, even when you renamed it?
[08:53] <subterrific> yeah
[08:53] <subterrific> i renamed it to jre-1_5_0-beta1-linux-i586.bin
[08:54] <subterrific> oh, maybe that was wrong
[08:54] <linux_mafia> subterrific, should be jre-1_5_0-beta-linux-i586.bin
[08:54] <subterrific> k
[08:54] <linux_mafia> subterrific, if i was you i wouldnt bother though, i tried it, kept crashing, ymmv
[08:55] <subterrific> thats silly, why would you write code that depends on a filename
[08:55] <subterrific> when you're passing the filename in...
[08:55] <linux_mafia> subterrific, i dont know?
[08:55] <linux_mafia> subterrific, i assume there was a good reason
[08:56] <subterrific> linux_mafia: you tried the 1.5 rc or the beta?
[08:56] <linux_mafia> subterrific, it was about a few months ago, so whatever it was then
[08:56] <subterrific> cause the 1.5rc seemed solid for me on gentoo amd64
[08:57] <linux_mafia> subterrific, like i said, ymmv
[08:58] <Nonphasis> ah, rhythmbox, how I love thee
[08:58] <koke> meec, bugg at the web :P
[08:58] <Nonphasis> I think it's the single application that crasher every time I run it
[08:59] <koke> when you do a documentation search it searches in the plone.org website
[09:01] <WW> rasher (and anyone else): I just update the wiki with my notes on installing the nvidia driver: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:02] <WW> Now I hope an Ubuntu guru will fix my gaffs.
[09:03] <rasher> WW: looks right.. except the fact that you have to jump through these hoops isn't right in the first place :)
[09:03] <jmi> I've got some devices (USB drive, 4G iPod) that are detected but Gnome doesn't know what to do with. Do I put entries for them in fstab or is that defeating the point?
[09:04] <Nonphasis> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:04] <Nonphasis> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[09:04] <Nonphasis> apparently xmms can't open mp3's "just like that"
[09:05] <Nonphasis> ah, xmms-mad
[09:05] <Nonphasis> same error
[09:06] <Capri> Is there any speech synthesizer application which can read the text in a window (e.g. the chat window in xchat)?
[09:06] <Nonphasis> Capri, filte
[09:06] <Nonphasis> Capri, flite I mean - if you are to feed the text to it
[09:07] <linux_mafia> wido, all good ma?
[09:07] <linux_mafia> man even
[09:08] <Capri> Nonphasis, ok just have a look on the webpage of flite
[09:08] <wido> linux_mafia: nope. the bluetooth device is still not detected :(
[09:08] <azeem> hmm, #debian/#ubuntu ratio is about 4:1 already
[09:08] <Nonphasis> azeem, your packages?
[09:08] <_Hiro_> all trolls saying ubuntu will kill debian and take its lunchmoney :p
[09:08] <azeem> Nonphasis: hmm?
[09:09] <Nonphasis> azeem, ah, channel of course
[09:09] <azeem> I meant chan users, yes
[09:09] <linux_mafia> wido, you got bluez-utils?
[09:09] <sabdfl> comments please on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/governance
[09:10] <punkass> ok i have my laptop and when i boot up it just sits at "configuring Network" if i dont have the network cable plugged in...any way to get around this?
[09:11] <wido> linux_mafia: argh. suddenly it is detected. like magic ;) i did nothing then a 'hcitool scan' and there it was. strange. i really did nothing. i can send you my bash history to prove it ;)
[09:11] <Nonphasis> Ubuntu can't really "kill" debian, if it's like 80% debian
[09:11] <elim> but 200% beter
[09:11] <Capri> hehe
[09:12] <linux_mafia> wido, sweet, get gnome-phone-manager, that rules
[09:12] <elim> it actually installs on this old mac with no problems *jaw...*
[09:12] <Mitario> jdub, you here?
[09:12] <Nonphasis> Well, I've hanged on this channel for hours, scoring 0 FOAD's
[09:12] <linux_mafia> foad's?
[09:13] <Nonphasis> fsck off and die
[09:13] <tseng> linux_mafia: best line evah
[09:13] <Nonphasis> the true spirit of #debian ;-)
[09:13] <Deft> punkass, you can ctrl-c things during boot
[09:14] <Nonphasis> exaggerating of course, but misanthropy seems to be among the things that are plentiful with debian hardcore
[09:14] <linux_mafia> tseng, better than rofl?
[09:14] <wido> linux_mafia: ok, i'll try it
[09:15] <linux_mafia> i always thought gentoo users were more militant
[09:15] <elim> so what are ubuntu users like then?
[09:15] <elim> as a whole?
[09:16] <azeem> sabdfl: is there a similar document which describes how to become an Ubuntu maintainer?
[09:16] <Nonphasis> elim, let's wait for the release and see ;-)
[09:16] <linux_mafia> elim, we are lovely
[09:16] <martink> azeem: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/maintainers
[09:16] <elim> i knew that already but what other charictaristics?
[09:17] <azeem> martink: thanks
[09:17] <Brooman> How do you Ubuntu users like Gnome 2.8?
[09:17] <linux_mafia> elim, vengeful and wrathful, and i hope no-one makes any kaffir jokes
[09:17] <Brooman> linux_mafia: Ha!
[09:18] <elim> i like it alot now i fiddled with nautilus to not open loads of windows i still prefer fluxbox but its good
[09:18] <vincent> mouarf http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/blog/projects/gnome/1095703226
[09:18] <Brooman> elim: I take it you are not a big fan of the "spatial" nautilus.
[09:18] <Nonphasis> Gnome is hard to get into
[09:19] <Brooman> Nonphasis: what DE or WM are you comfortable with?
[09:19] <Nonphasis> Brooman, kde
[09:19] <Nonphasis> Brooman, and Ion, of course ;-)
[09:19] <Brooman> Nonphasis: Don't recall ever hearing of Ion.
[09:19] <punkass> Deft: what does that do?
[09:19] <punkass> oh lol nm
[09:20] <punkass> seems kind of a cheat way to do it
[09:20] <Nonphasis> Brooman, one of the lightweight wm's... in the Ratpoison spirit
[09:21] <Brooman> Nonphasis: Got a link handy?
[09:21] <Nonphasis> Brooman, http://modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/
[09:23] <Deft> Ion would be great, if it just had a session manager
[09:24] <azeem> Deft: why would ion need a session manager?
[09:24] <tvon|x31> I havnet used ion in forevers
[09:24] <yuran> ion needs something like devilspie in gnome
[09:24] <Se7h> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:24] <Se7h>   gnome-vlc: Depends: vlc (= 0.7.0-0woody.4) but it is not going to be installed
[09:24] <Se7h> E: Broken packages
[09:24] <Se7h> uh?
[09:24] <yuran> i guess it's very easy to implement with lua
[09:24] <Mitario> seb128, you here?
[09:25] <Brooman> What cflags are used when compiling Ubuntu packages?
[09:25] <seb128> Mitario: yes, why ?
[09:26] <Mitario> seb128, what do you think of porting that industrial firefox theme of garret to human and ubuntu?
[09:27] <Mitario> tvon|x31, indeed
[09:27] <linux_mafia> Brooman, march=i386 ? heh
[09:27] <tvon|x31> Though I'd like to see something like SmoothGNOME as the default theme for ubuntu :).  Having Ximian as a resource for things industrial related would be nifty
[09:27] <rapha> Hi all!
[09:27] <Brooman> linux_mafia: lowest common denominator huh?
[09:27] <Mitario> tvon|x31, well, porting it to Human would be nice :)
[09:28] <seb128> Mitario: which theme ?
[09:28] <Mitario> seb128, http://www.linuxart.com
[09:28] <seb128> Mitario: in fact I don't use firefox but epiphany
[09:28] <Mitario> ah, ok
[09:28] <linux_mafia> Brooman, id say so, since uname -r 2.6.8.1-2-386
[09:28] <Mitario> because the default browser for Ubuntu is firefox..
[09:28] <rapha> I've installed Ubuntu yesterday; and am quite impressed. However, there's a problem with Totem (it just shows a black screen for most movies), and I was wondering if anybody else is experiencing this...
[09:29] <seb128> Mitario: I know ...
[09:29] <Kosai> rapha: Yes.  Read the FAQ.
[09:29] <Brooman> linux_mafia: I wouldn't know that, since I'm currently not using Ubuntu.
[09:29] <Mitario> just making a point :)
[09:29] <linux_mafia> rapha, install totem-xine
[09:29] <seb128> Mitario: that's probably the most used browser here, but I still use epiphany
[09:29] <Mitario> jep ok, but it would be nice if we had some kind of default human theme for the default browser too :)
[09:30] <rapha> Kosai: Oh. Sorry...
[09:30] <rapha> Thanks linux_mafia 
[09:31] <elim> how do i change the screen's brightness on a mac?
[09:31] <elim> (no manual buttons)
[09:32] <Kosai> What kind of mac?
[09:32] <rapha> And then Ubuntu's installer doesn't know about my monitor, so X doesn't start up (hsync and vsync are incorrect). Are you interested in knowing the monitor model or can I help you solve this in future versions some other way?
[09:32] <elim> imac g3 400mhz
[09:32] <elim> all in one type of thing
[09:33] <Se7h> need some more help
[09:33] <Se7h> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:33] <Se7h>   gnome-vlc: Depends: vlc (= 0.7.0-0woody.4) but it is not going to be installed
[09:33] <Se7h> E: Broken packages
[09:36] <elim> report the bug on the website using their email address
[09:37] <rapha> elim: You talkin' to Se7h or me?
[09:37] <Se7h> o.0
[09:39] <elim> seth at the time but can anyone help with this monitor brightness adjustment?
[09:40] <phin|work> hello
[09:41] <tvon|x31> Anyone using Xchat?  ^W is not working for me for closing tabs
[09:41] <tvon|x31> "tabs"
[09:41] <tvon|x31> I'm curious if I'm the only one
[09:42] <justdave> I'm using it, but the OS X native version
[09:42] <theantix> tvon|x31, works for me
[09:43] <tvon|x31> theantix: aight, thanks
[09:43] <Se7h> tvon|x31 good here
[09:44] <phin|work> how well would ubunto run on a k6-2 300, any ideas? i will probly be using something else other then gnome 2.8, obviously, for a wm
[09:44] <makkia> hello
[09:44] <rapha> Hmm
[09:44] <tvon|x31> phin|work: It would run fine.  I used a system like that for my desktop up till about a year and a half ago.  generally used openbox as the wm
[09:45] <tvon|x31> nautilus will suck, so I'd avoid it
[09:45] <phin|work> right on.
[09:45] <rapha> What would you say if I would ask if "use home directory as desktop" could be enabled by default in Ubuntu?
[09:45] <phin|work> ya.. i wonder thou
[09:45] <tseng> i use openbox and nautilus
[09:45] <Nonphasis> yet again, mplayer from marillat fails to resize to full screen
[09:45] <Nonphasis> ngh
[09:45] <tseng> i just remap the right cliek menu to middle click
[09:45] <phin|work> is there a way to use gnome, without nautilus?
[09:45] <tseng> works great.
[09:45] <tvon|x31> rapha: I'd suggest weighing you against a duck and acting accordingly
[09:45] <Nonphasis> off to compiling it, I guess
[09:46] <rapha> tvon|x31: Good. I'm much heavier than a duck, so I'd win :-)
[09:46] <elim> wait! im on a 400mhz mac and its fast as anything
[09:46] <tvon|x31> rapha: ;)
[09:46] <tvon|x31> grr
[09:47] <WW> Nonphasis: "mplayer... fails to resize to full screen"   Same here.
[09:48] <phin|work> i have another question... i can install any deb file correct? so, say there isnt something i need in the ubuntu mirrors, and i have a package for it, i could use it
[09:49] <theantix> if the dependancies resolve, yes
[09:49] <phin|work> nice
[09:49] <sabdfl> azeem: check the docs on the site now, i think the process is clearer
[09:49] <theantix> phin|work:  doesn't mean it'l work though... I installed straw that way and it doesn't function
[09:50] <phin|work> ok one more if ya dont mind.. one of my biggest conplaints about debian, is that alot of the gtk stuff is not compile with gtk2, now i mostly use a gtk2 based desktop as i love the look, has ubuntu taken the neccasary steps to recompile there packages with gtk2?
[09:50] <phin|work> theantix, thats fine.. i figured its just a play and see whatcha get deal
[09:50] <theantix> indeed
[09:52] <wido> linux_mafia: the phone manager is quite cool. but it would be bercool to call via bluetooth :)
[09:53] <subterrific> phin|work: can you name a specific program that doesn't use work gtk2?
[09:53] <linux_mafia> wido, yeah, or if it could somehow match the numbers to names in your address book, so it had caller id, but still, i like it
[09:53] <rapha> linux_mafia: My box doesn't have an internet connection (I'm at my aunts place), so, where can I get totem-xine and its deps -- FAQ doesn't appear to be mentioning it :-7
[09:54] <phin|work> subterrific: let me think for a second, cause i have ran across quite a few
[09:54] <linux_mafia> subterrific, xmms
[09:54] <phin|work> yep
[09:54] <phin|work> theres one
[09:54] <subterrific> xmms uses gtk?
[09:54] <phin|work> yep
[09:54] <phin|work> i belive mplayer does as well
[09:55] <rasher> However, the mplayer gui is a joke
[09:55] <rasher> last I looked anyway
[09:55] <subterrific> i'd have never guessed, its entirely customized
[09:55] <linux_mafia> rapha, its in universe, there is a thread in the users mailing list about it
[09:55] <phin|work> looks just like any dvd software thats out for, ack, windows
[09:55] <azeem> sabdfl: will there be an upper cap of Ubuntu maintainers, or will everybody who volunteers and is suitable eventually be accepted?
[09:55] <subterrific> there are better alternatives to both xmms and mplayer
[09:55] <phin|work> i personally use totem
[09:56] <phin|work> but i use xmms alot for it being lite
[09:56] <subterrific> rhythmbox and totem-xine
[09:56] <phin|work> and it has alot of plugins that i like
[09:56] <rapha> Thanks linux_mafia 
[09:56] <phin|work> there is also beep, but im not sure if it can use xmms plugins
[09:56] <phin|work> i know its based on the xmms branch
[09:56] <sabdfl> azeem: we'll retain any maintainers that meet the standard and remain actively involved
[09:57] <subterrific> phin|work: so you pretty much need to bug the xmms developers to port to gtk2
[09:57] <phin|work> subterrific: hmmm. i suppose thats possible :P
[09:57] <azeem> sabdfl: sure, I just wondered whether you consider any size of maintainers as 'too big for the project'
[09:58] <Deft> subterrific, the xmms are very against that, there's already been a sort-of fork over it
[09:58] <linux_mafia> phin|work, it dosent really have to be gtk2, its only a looks thing, works flawlessly, i dont see the point as yet
[09:58] <Deft> * xmms people
[09:58] <phin|work> deft: correct, there is beep
[09:58] <phin|work> which is a fork
[09:58] <rapha> Do you have any plans to include Muine with Ubuntu? Rhytmbox is just fine, but I prefer Muine and it'd be nice to have the choice...
[09:58] <phin|work> im not sure if xmms plugins work for it thou
[09:58] <subterrific> Deft: i can tell just by looking at the horrible xmms gui that they'd be against it
[09:58] <sabdfl> azeem: no, there is always work to be done
[09:59] <phin|work> how stripped down of an install can i do with ubuntu? do i havta install all the apps it recommends? or can i get it down to almost nothing
[09:59] <Deft> rapha, Muine needs Mono, so it _at least_ won't be in the first release
[09:59] <subterrific> they are obviously against any movement forward and want xmms to look and act the same as it did 5 years ago
[09:59] <phin|work> for instance.. i would want to remove nautilus
[09:59] <phin|work> and a few other things
[09:59] <azeem> OK
[09:59] <tvon|x31> is there a password on the livecd?
[10:00] <Deft> phin|work, you can remove as much as you want after you've installed
[10:00] <phin|work> ok cool
[10:00] <phin|work> would removing nautilus and asking gnome to not start it up affect gnome in anyway?
[10:00] <tvon|x31> nm
[10:01] <Deft> but nautilus is very cool, so it wouldn't do you any good to get rid of it :)
[10:01] <yuran> linux_mafia, there is a big advantage in gtk2 for international users
[10:02] <yuran> altough i learned to identify my songs by the ammount of question marks :(
[10:02] <Deft> phin|work, you should be able to remove nautilus from the session with no trouble at all, the problems would be with any other program that expected it to be running, and I can't think of any offhand...
[10:02] <rapha> Deft: just because you don't have the time to include Mono, or are political questions / license issues involved?
[10:02] <punkass_> Deft: so about the control-C thing at boot up, is there not a better way to do it?
[10:03] <linux_mafia> yuran, thats a good point, one i should of thought of since it doesn't display the names of my chinese songs properly
[10:03] <_axel> Deft: apart from the desktop not working... 
[10:03] <makkia> sorry for my bad english, warty is paragonable with sid or sarge ?
[10:03] <Deft> rapha, I'm not involved in Ubuntu, but it's mainly a time thing I think... check the wiki/website
[10:03] <linux_mafia> paragonable?
[10:04] <Deft> punkass_, you could tell eth0 or whatever not to auto configure?
[10:04] <Deft> _axel, there is that...
[10:04] <makkia> sorry for my bad english, warty is ~= with sid or sarge ?
[10:04] <rapha> Deft: Well, then all is good. I was just afraid it couldn't have been just a time issue :-)
[10:04] <npmccallum> rapha: We wanted to include mono, however packages in sid were broken at the time and there are unknown legal implications
[10:04] <punkass_> Deft: yeah but when i bootup with the cable in i want it to auto connect..
[10:05] <linux_mafia> rapha, there are mono packages made by some guy already, for the keen/desperate, but they are to be included in the proper release if sufficient interest is shown
[10:05] <phin|work> deft: ok cool, personally i would wanna remove it completly, as this is going on a pc with only a 4gig drive
[10:05] <npmccallum> rapha: hopefully those things will get sorted out for hoary
[10:05] <Deft> phin|work, mine is on a 4 gig drive, uses under 1.3 or so for a new install
[10:05] <phin|work> excellant
[10:06] <rapha> linux_mafia: Well, put up a vote somewhere so I can vote for including them! :-)
[10:06] <Deft> punkass_, you might be able to get dhclient to stop trying after a while, but I can't find out 'cause I only have dhcpcd on this machine...
[10:07] <punkass_> yeah i have dhcpcd too for a wireless app i have installed
[10:07] <Deft> punkass_, it may be improved in the future though, I think there's something about hotplugging network connections in progress
[10:07] <rapha> npmccallum: Yeah... I also think Mono is having a bad time, given that no distro wants it because of "the legal implications"... was time somebody stepped forward and tried.
[10:07] <linux_mafia> rapha, here is the line for your source list deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./
[10:07] <wido> linux_mafia: i wanted to get started with mono after my exams. maybe i'll do some hacking to integrate the evolution addressbook into gnome phone manager :)
[10:07] <linux_mafia> wido, you would be the man
[10:08] <npmccallum> rapha: The biggest problem is that mono/.NET is so new, its hard to know what the legal issues are (rather than mp3 which we know is a patent issue)
[10:08] <rapha> Cool, thanks linux_mafia 
[10:08] <linux_mafia> wido, perhaps you could use some of the address book lookup applet code?
[10:08] <theantix> speaking of evo integration... is there anything special needed to get the address book applet working with gaim?  I have the gaim/evo plugin installed, but the "send IM" button in the applet is greyed out
[10:09] <rapha> npmccallum: Yeah. Hopefully Novell will include it in its distro so everybody can see how Microsoft'll react.
[10:09] <linux_mafia> rapha, mono, muine, and blam packages
[10:09] <elim> heh watch the firworks
[10:09] <yam> how can I make gstreamer to play all video formats (divx, mpg, ...)?
[10:09] <subterrific> yam: you can't really yet
[10:09] <wido> linux_mafia: yes, that would be ideal. but first i have to get used to mono/gtk. until now i've only done python/qt development
[10:09] <rapha> linux_mafia: Yeah, just looking at it. But I can't find the thread about "universe", where you said totem-xine and deps could be found.
[10:10] <yam> subterrific: ouch :(
[10:10] <subterrific> yam: try totem-xine instead
[10:10] <subterrific> until totem-gstreamer matures
[10:10] <linux_mafia> rapha, i had the black screen in totem problem, totem-xine definately fixes it
[10:11] <Treenaks> with one minor issue (X driver detection)
[10:11] <yam> yeah I knew, but wanted to try with gstreamer
[10:11] <linux_mafia> rapha, you will need to get christian marillat's libdvdcss debs if you want to watch dvds though
[10:11] <rapha> linux_mafia: Now all I need is the totem-xine package and its dependancies :-) (My computer doesn't have an internet connection, so I can't use apt-get).
[10:12] <rapha> Oh, that's something I wanted to say as well npmccallum: Ubuntu doesn't disable things like NTP time lookup on boot time when the box isn't online. Greatly delays the booting process.
[10:12] <linux_mafia> how to check deps of a package? and i can tell you where and what to get
[10:12] <rapha> Hmm
[10:12] <WW> Hey there, what's the simplest Ubuntu way of setting a ssh daemon, so I can ssh into my computer?
[10:12] <rapha> Good question
[10:12] <Treenaks> apt-cache show packagename shows everything ?
[10:12] <rasher> WW: installing ssh with synaptic?
[10:12] <rapha> I'm on a RedHat box right now, so ca't really play with deb stuff.
[10:13] <linux_mafia> rapha, get rcconf and turn ntp off
[10:13] <npmccallum> rapha: this release is called warty for a reason :) A lot of this stuff should be addressed in hoary
[10:13] <Capri> WW, rasher 
[10:13] <Capri> installing ssh-server or ssh-daemon is the package name
[10:13] <Capri> ssh is the client
[10:14] <Deft> Capri, ssh should get you both I think... no promise
[10:14] <rasher> no, ssh includes both the client and server
[10:14] <rapha> linux_mafia: Already did it by hand ;-)
[10:14] <makkia> warty have x.org ?
[10:14] <Deft> the actual packages are open something
[10:14] <Deft> makkia, no
[10:14] <rasher> Deft: no
[10:14] <rasher> oh, I lied.
[10:14] <rapha> npmccallum: Just wanted to tell you about it since I figure most developers will have an internet connection and thus not find problems like this one easily...
[10:14] <sabdfl> makkia: plan is for x.org to go into Hoary
[10:15] <Deft> huh?
[10:15] <rasher> WW: yeah, openssh-client and openssh-server
[10:15] <rasher> Deft: I was confused :) - I was thinking ssh != openssh-*
[10:15] <rasher> Deft: for some reason..
[10:15] <rapha> npmccallum: If I had an internet connection at home I'd try to contribute, but it's a little costly from the internet cafe.
[10:15] <Deft> ah right, ssh isn't a real package is the issue, just dependencies
[10:16] <rasher> Yes. I finally figured it out.
[10:16] <Treenaks> great work
[10:16] <linux_mafia> rapha, http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu/pool/universe/t/totem
[10:16] <rapha> linux_mafia: Thanks!
[10:16] <rasher> WW: so to sum up: apt-get install openssh-server / install openssh-server with synaptic
[10:16] <WW> ssh-askpass-gnome appears to have been installed by default.
[10:17] <Kosai> I prefer ssh-askpass-x11, 'cause of the way it looks all futuristic while you're typing in your password.
[10:17] <rapha> linux_mafia: So that's the only package I'll need?
[10:17] <Capri> rasher, there is only openssh-client and openssh-server in Ubuntu. It is different to Debian.
[10:17] <linux_mafia> rapha, youll need xine-libs
[10:17] <rapha> Okay
[10:18] <rapha> Hmm
[10:18] <rapha> Doesn't appear to be under "x".
[10:18] <Deft> rapha, libxine1
[10:18] <Capri> rasher, ups I see you saw it already. Didn't see that ;)
[10:18] <tseng> does anyone know a package for wmv codec
[10:18] <tseng> for xine
[10:18] <rapha> Ah
[10:19] <Deft> tseng, I have the win32 codecs installed for wmv, which may or may not be necessary...
[10:19] <WW> ssh-agent is running, but that is not a server, correct?
[10:19] <tseng> Deft: is there a package for them somehwere?
[10:19] <azeem> WW: correct
[10:19] <phlaegel> does the bittornado gui work for anyone? mine says it's missing wxpython, even though the package is installed.
[10:19] <rapha> ???
[10:19] <rapha> Deft: It's not under libx...
[10:20] <Deft> tseng, there are some rpms of it around, a big package called w32codecs, you can just unzip it though
[10:20] <azeem> rapha: the archive is sorted by source package
[10:20] <azeem> rapha: thus, it's in xine or whater I guess
[10:20] <azeem> eh, s/whater/whatever/
[10:20] <rapha> azeem: That's the problem: under "x" there's only xine-ui.
[10:20] <Deft> tseng, or w32codec-all-20040706-0.pm.0.i386.zip maybe
[10:21] <azeem> rapha: apt-cache show foo | grep Source
[10:21] <azeem> should tell you the corresponding source package
[10:21] <Treenaks> uh
[10:21] <rapha> azeem: I'm on RedHat 7.3... :-(
[10:21] <rapha> Not my box here.
[10:21] <azeem> rapha: xine-libs
[10:21] <linux_mafia> rapha, get this too ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/libdvdcss2_1.2.8-0.0_i386.deb
[10:21] <azeem> rapha: eh, xine-lib
[10:21] <housetier> apt-cache showsrc maybe?
[10:21] <rapha> okay linux_mafia 
[10:22] <rapha> azeem: Look at http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/ -- there's no package of that name.
[10:22] <azeem> rapha: *shrug*
[10:22] <azeem> I don't use ubuntu either
[10:23] <CraHan> evening all
[10:23] <rapha> linux_mafia: Do your magic abilities also tell you The Path To The Xine-Lib Package? :-)
[10:23] <CraHan> do I need to report not working usb hardware to anyone in specific?
[10:23] <CraHan> someone told me that the ID might have to be added to HAL
[10:23] <linux_mafia> rapha, sorry bro, libxine is in main, i was putting you wrong
[10:23] <CraHan> it's a D-link bluetooth dongle
[10:23] <WW> Thanks all, openssh installed, up and running.
[10:23] <rapha> Oh.
[10:24] <rapha> linux_mafia: So, in other words, I have it on the Warty CD?
[10:24] <Deft> rapha, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/libxine1 if not
[10:24] <linux_mafia> rapha, yep
[10:24] <rapha> Ah
[10:24] <rapha> Thanks again!
[10:25] <linux_mafia> Deft, no no, its version 1-rc5-1ubuntu2
[10:25] <Deft> hmm, could probably be forced... but ok
[10:25] <azeem> Deft: this is bad advice
[10:26] <azeem> never tell people to force stuff
[10:26] <linux_mafia> except things up their asses ;)
[10:26] <Lowe> haha
[10:27] <Deft> ...
[10:27] <linux_mafia> who was talking about bittornado before?
[10:27] <nik> hi all
[10:27] <curtian4> hello, i'm trying to find out where to find an faq on the ubuntu livecd
[10:27] <nik> can anyone tell me if I can install ubuntu on a sata disk?
[10:28] <jdub> nik: depends on the chipset
[10:28] <nik> 915
[10:28] <jdub> my sii one works fine
[10:28] <mxpxpod> jdub: what version of linux were the ppc packages compiled on?
[10:28] <calc> nik: will probably work
[10:29] <CraHan> also... I've been seeing some acpi error messages along the lines of: ACPI-0154: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.LNKE._STA]  (Node cfb1e7a0), AE_NOT_EXIST
[10:29] <calc> iirc ubuntu has 2.6.8.1
[10:29] <nik> Ive got a brand new p4 socket 775 on an Abit AG8 with Intel 915p
[10:29] <linux_mafia> phlaegel, you here?
[10:29] <nik> tried to install
[10:29] <phlaegel> yep
[10:29] <nik> but no disk was recognised
[10:29] <curtian4> (for the livecd faq) specifically, i'm trying to figure out the default user's password.
[10:29] <linux_mafia> phlaegel, i have the same problem as you
[10:29] <phlaegel> hm
[10:29] <calc> CraHan: that is something to do with irq lnke status method failing, but not sure about the rest of it
[10:30] <rapha> Okay, got all packages
[10:30] <rapha> Thanks again for the forthcoming help!
[10:30] <linux_mafia> phlaegel, will you recognise my autonomy from china, if i fix it, or find a solution?
[10:30] <nik> someone succeded in installing on a 915p chipset?
[10:30] <CraHan> calc: ok
[10:30] <rapha> Bye!
[10:30] <Deft> CraHan? Xhenit CraHan?
[10:31] <linux_mafia> rapha, no worries
[10:31] <CraHan> Deft: yeah :)
[10:31] <CraHan> wow
[10:31] <phlaegel> linux_mafia: I suppose.
[10:31] <CraHan> long time since I heard that name ;)
[10:32] <Deft> yeah, haven't really cared much about LS since I gave up on windows#
[10:32] <linux_mafia> phlaegel, man, you a sad sack, just being silly
[10:32] <Deft> wasn't the same without LS2K anyway
[10:32] <CraHan> true
[10:32] <CraHan> very true
[10:32] <phlaegel> linux_mafia: so was I.
[10:32] <phlaegel> couldn't you tell?
[10:32] <phlaegel> ;-)
[10:32] <nik> someone can help me?
[10:32] <linux_mafia> phlaegel, have you done much googling yet?
[10:32] <JStrike> How is the out-the box multimedia support btw?
[10:32] <phlaegel> nope
[10:32] <azeem> nik: just try it
[10:32] <CraHan> Deft: I talk to jalist every day though
[10:32] <tseng> JStrike: good for open source codecs
[10:33] <punkass_> since dhcpcd hangs at boot up if there is no cable, is there a way for me to get it to stop initalizing at boot up and do it when a user logs in or something
[10:33] <linux_mafia> phlaegel, ok, ive done a bit, time for more i think
[10:33] <CraHan> and with a lit of the old ls users
[10:33] <CraHan> *lot
[10:33] <tseng> JStrike: bad for dvds/proprietary stuff out of the box
[10:33] <nik> azeem: already tried
[10:33] <azeem> nik: oh :)
[10:33] <azeem> nik: then file a bug if it did not work
[10:33] <nik> azeem: no disk recognised
[10:33] <azeem> with exact details of your hardware
[10:34] <CraHan> does anyone know if there's a dashboard deb our somewhere?
[10:34] <Deft> CraHan, I've only just installed an irc client in Linux since a couple of days ago, logged into #fpn but there wasn't much happening
[10:34] <nik> ok 
[10:34] <linux_mafia> wouldnt you know, having a intellimouse in warty stops hal from starting
[10:34] <CraHan> Deft: I don't go to #fpn much these days, it logs me in automatically when I start irssi :)
[10:34] <spiv> Gar, X has crashed for me twice today.
[10:35] <spiv> (For the first time since I installed a month or so ago)
[10:35] <JStrike> CraHan : Dashboard is very broken a the moment. Work is going into Beagle, Dashboard's backend
[10:35] <CraHan> JStrike: ah ok
[10:36] <JStrike> Ok. So the multimedia is bad. As bad a fedora?
[10:36] <phlaegel> linux_mafia: looks like it's an error in the script itself
[10:36] <linux_mafia> JStrike, whats so bad about fedora, adding livna to much hard work for you ;)
[10:37] <MepisBelle> linux_mafia: Fedora blows
[10:37] <JStrike> linux_mafia : yes
[10:37] <linux_mafia> MepisBelle, haha
[10:37] <MepisBelle> lol
[10:37] <linux_mafia> MepisBelle, lurker
[10:37] <MepisBelle> Guilty!
[10:38] <linux_mafia> JStrike, well its about that hard, so you may as well give up now
[10:38] <JStrike> linux_mafia : I wasn't asking how to get it done
[10:39] <JStrike> I have nothing against Fedora. It is just that Fedora/Redhat have a bit too strict a OSS/FSF view for me
[10:40] <linux_mafia> JStrike, well debian/ubuntu is way worse, haha
[10:40] <JStrike> I know debian is bad. That is why I was asking about Ubuntu :-)
[10:41] <Deft> punkass_, after a short hunt, you can make dhcpcd timeout after 5 seconds or so if that would work
[10:41] <azeem> JStrike: they got something up on their website
[10:41] <MepisBelle> Debian is great - what do you mean?  <wink>
[10:41] <punkass_> yeah that would be good..
[10:42] <jdub> JStrike: you're saying that doing the right and safe thing legally is "bad"
[10:42] <MepisBelle> lol
[10:42] <jdub> JStrike: we're going to try to do the right and safe thing legally
[10:42] <Deft> punkass_, then edit /etc/dhcpc/config, add "-t 5" in OPTIONS I think
[10:42] <jdub> JStrike: so that probably puts us in a similar category to fedora / red hat when it comes to multimedia support
[10:43] <jdub> JStrike: that said, things that are not going to cause legal issues may appear in restricted and/or universe
[10:44] <JStrike> jdub : I am not saying you are doing bad. Not at all. I am just not the biggest believer in "right and safe" way
[10:44] <ninja> isn't there an apt repository for Ubuntu?
[10:44] <linux_mafia> JStrike, and as i said before, while i do share most of jdubs sentiments, there are certain things i want that are not available by default, and they are very easy to enable
[10:44] <WW> Another question: If I want to use gftp to access files on this computer from elsewjere, do I need to install an ftp daemon, even if I am using the SSH2 protocol in gftp?
[10:45] <jdub> JStrike: if you are prepared to handle the legal ramifications for your choice, that's fine. but we can't.
[10:45] <jdub> ninja: yes, archive.ubuntu.com
[10:45] <jdub> ninja: it's set up by default
[10:46] <ninja> jdub: i had to kind of shoehorn it onto my laptop, so some of the install scripts migt
[10:46] <ninja> not have triggered
[10:46] <ninja> seems to be working now (albeit on a non-Ubuntu kernel)
[10:47] <JStrike> jdub : I wasn't critising. I do understand. I just prefer pragmatism
[10:47] <JStrike> BTW, what was the general response to RMS?
[10:47] <jdub> JStrike: surely pragmatism is not getting sued.
[10:48] <jdub> it's not an issue of freedom here, it's an issue of law
[10:48] <linux_mafia> jdub, i believe you guys are doing it the right way, ubuntu could use a repo like the one christian marillat runs, then you guys are protected, and people can get questionable things they want, everyone is happy, and not being sued, heh
[10:49] <JStrike> Not 100% sure here, but wont ximian be licensing the codecs? Didn't one of the other distro do that as well. TurboLinux or such
[10:49] <jdub> JStrike: you can't do that if you want a free software distribution
[10:50] <JStrike> Ah. Wasn't aware it was going to be a 100% free version. 
[10:50] <jdub> JStrike: you couldn't have it for free or Free if we paid for patent and/or software licenses
[10:50] <JStrike> My aplogies
[10:50] <Dorward> I've installed Apache and various libraries for it and am trying to run a Perl module I've installed. Apache is returning a 501 and spitting http://dorward.me.uk/tmp/error.txt into the error.log. /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Apache/Request/Request.so, however, does exist.
[10:50] <linux_mafia> JStrike, turbolinux is a commercial company, iirc they charge a reasonable amount for their distro, and use some of the revenue to pay royalties to the franhoffer institute etc
[10:51] <Dorward> Any idea what it is complaining about?
[10:51] <jdub> JStrike: you might want to read the website for more info, in the faq and about ubuntu
[10:51] <punkass_> Daft: thanks that worked great...not sure how i overlooked the config file 
[10:52] <JStrike> jdub : Busy doing. I just assumed (incorrectly) that Canonical was going to operate the same as RH and Suse
[10:53] <linux_mafia> jdub, by the way, christians packages seem to work fine with ubuntu (here anyway), so perhaps you needn't bother
[10:55] <WW> Nevermind, I found that I could do what I want with rsync.
[10:55] <Decayer> Congratulations to all Ubuntu developers!
[10:56] <Decayer> The system is awsome!
[10:56] <jdub> thanks Decayer :)
[10:56] <ninja> agreed - i'm very impressed
[10:56] <WW> How many Ubuntu developers are there?
[10:58] <JStrike> jdub : Very impressed that you got the contact lookup applet in btw :-) Pretty funny
[10:59] <Decayer> jdub, do you have brazillian developers?
[11:00] <family_> Hey
[11:00] <jdub> WW: there are 34 in the company
[11:00] <jdub> Decayer: one, lalo
[11:00] <axe9> Anyone here availible to help me out with GRUB?
[11:00] <punkass_> Deft: lol sorry called you Daft earlier..oops
[11:01] <axe9> I need to find a confi file for grub, so I can dual boot with XP
[11:01] <punkass_> hmmm lcd screen isnt shutting of when AC is unplugged
[11:02] <Deft> punkass_, I decided to tactfully ignore that
[11:02] <_axel> axe9: /boot/grup/menu.lst
[11:03] <_axel> err, /boot/grub i mena
[11:03] <_axel> mean
[11:03] <axe9> Aight, found that, but I'm not sure how to set the chmod so I can edit :\
[11:03] <_axel> axe9: you shouldnt need to chmod it if you're doing it as root, which you should
[11:03] <axe9> ah...
[11:03] <linux_mafia> sudo
[11:03] <_axel> yup, sudo
[11:04] <axe9> I'm not sure how to do that... >.>
[11:04] <_axel> axe9:  sudo vi /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:04] <_axel> then enter your normal user password
[11:04] <axe9> I thought I could do it with the account the installer had me set up...
[11:04] <_axel> axe9: you can
[11:04] <_axel> axe9: but via sudo
[11:04] <axe9> Sudo?
[11:04] <linux_mafia> axe9, or make it easy on yourself and apt-get install grubconf
[11:05] <_axel> bah :P
[11:05] <axe9> I'm really sorry, I got ubuntu to try out linux for a bit, and then I couldn't boot WinXP anymore...
[11:06] <Tomcat_> It seems like the Ubuntu installer fucked my partition table... :o
[11:06] <axe9> And then I was told I had to add this few lines of code to either the grub/grub.conf file or menu.ls
[11:06] <Kamion> axe9: please report that as a bug; grub-installer should have detected the WinXP filesystem and included a block for it in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:06] <linux_mafia> thats odd? ubuntu/linux dosent have the geometery bug/problem anymore does it?
[11:07] <Kamion> linux_mafia: I think it may well do, actually
[11:07] <Kamion> I should probably buy a copy of WinXP for testing :-/
[11:07] <axe9> I installed in on a diff hard drive, should it still have detected?
[11:07] <axe9> oh!
[11:07] <axe9> It's not seeing my main drive either :s
[11:07] <Kamion> axe9: believe so, assuming that it could see the other drive
[11:07] <axe9> That could be the problem then XD
[11:07] <Kamion> yep :)
[11:07] <_axel> the installer screws up in my system cause my xp partition is not in hda1, it should notice that and add map () statements to the automagic xp line -- admitted my case is not that common anyway
[11:07] <linux_mafia> Kamion, ok, i thought that was all over
[11:07] <Kamion> axe9: is this SATA or anything funky like that?
[11:07] <axe9> The new one is
[11:08] <Kamion> _axel: hm, not familiar with that case, again I'd suggest reporting a bug so I can look at it
[11:08] <axe9> The linux one is just an old drive I ha
[11:08] <_axel> Kamion: will do
[11:08] <Kamion> axe9: so you installed onto an old one but WinXP is on the new one, is that right?
[11:08] <Deft> hmm, I've got a winxp/ubuntu system to install when it arrives, will see what happens then, particularly as I've never installed XP before
[11:08] <axe9> Yeah
[11:08] <linux_mafia> does any distro do bios mapping/drive swapping by default? 
[11:08] <Kamion> axe9: I'd appreciate 'lspci' and 'lspci -n' output so that we can make sure the SATA drive is detected properly
[11:09] <axe9> ?.?
[11:10] <Treenaks> argh, the ubuntu bugzilla-password mailer trips my spam controls (and mail doesn't get delivered..)
[11:10] <linux_mafia> im dual booting here, x86, all went well
[11:10] <subterrific> Treenaks: need to get a better spam filter
[11:10] <axe9> But, is ubuntu, and XP on the same drive?
[11:10] <_axel> Kamion: where's ubuntu's bugzilla or whatever?
[11:10] <Kamion> axe9: um - it sounded like they weren't from what you said?
[11:10] <Kamion> _axel: the URL's in the topic
[11:10] <subterrific> Treenaks: try spamassassin, i've never has a false positive with it
[11:10] <_axel> ah, sorry
[11:10] <Kamion> no problem
[11:11] <Treenaks> subterrific: I use spamassassin, on postfix.. but it rejects unknown sender domains... and host bugzilla.warthogs.hbd.com does not exist (or the nameserver timeouts)
[11:11] <elim> who thinks a forum would eb a good idea?
[11:12] <Kamion> elim: we will be doing fora at some point relatively soon
[11:12] <linux_mafia> axe9, so linux is on the master drive, and winxp on the slave?
[11:12] <elim> ah good glad to hear it
[11:12] <elim> how old is this project?
[11:12] <azeem> yeah, Kamion loves fora
[11:12] <axe9> yeah
[11:12] <subterrific> Treenaks: weird, it didn't use that domain to send to me. they must be changing the setup
[11:12] <Kamion> axe9: in order to detect the WinXP filesystem and put it in the grub configuration, we need to make sure that the installer can detect the SATA drive; to do that, I need to know the exact model, which 'lspci' and 'lspci -n' are good at showing
[11:12] <axe9> I was thinking about maybe just opening on the case and changing the settings
[11:13] <Kamion> elim: first public release was five days ago; I first heard about it around March, and the main kick-off meeting was April, so I guess that's really the starting point
[11:14] <linux_mafia> anyone here using fabio's new x packages?
[11:14] <Mitario> jdub do you use hoary yourself? or just warty?
[11:14] <jdub> warty
[11:14] <Kamion> Mitario: hoary doesn't exist yet
[11:14] <_axel> Kamion: what component should i file under? debian-installer? grub-installer?
[11:14] <jdub> hoary doesn't exi--
[11:14] <Mitario> oh, i thought you could already use the devel packages
[11:14] <Kamion> _axel: grub-installer
[11:14] <srbaker> grr
[11:14] <jdub> Mitario: a couple of us have testing repositories
[11:15] <jdub> i do some bluetooth things
[11:15] <Kamion> _axel: (although debian-installer is an acceptable catch-all for installer stuff)
[11:15] <Mitario> ah
[11:15] <jdub> tseng has some mono things
[11:15] <jdub> etc.
[11:15] <jdub> but not proper hoary :)
[11:15] <Mitario> ok, cool
[11:15] <axe9> eh... The drive is a seagate 80GB 7200 hdd, with 8MB cache, it has 2 partitions, one 7GB for XP, and another 68GB one.
[11:16] <Kamion> axe9: 'lspci' and 'lspci -n', I really mean it :)
[11:16] <theantix> heh
[11:17] <Kamion> the hardware detection works in terms of PCI IDs
[11:17] <calc> update-pciids might help first
[11:17] <curtian4> is anyone using the warty livecd? 
[11:17] <andred> It's impossible to get the Home directory on the deskotop without the "shortcut" emblem on it?
[11:17] <jdub> andred: in configuration editor
[11:17] <jdub> andred: go to /apps/nautilus/desktop
[11:17] <andred> ok, thanks
[11:17] <jdub> andred: turn on the special icons you wnat
[11:18] <jdub> but i encourage you to try without them for a while
[11:18] <tseng> its fun w/o
[11:18] <maswan> Do you guys have a FAI port?
[11:18] <andred> jdub, I hae for a few days now. I like drag-dropping stuff to those icons.
[11:18] <phlaegel> without the special icons, and with desktop_is_home_dir... :-)
[11:18] <axe9> >.>
[11:18] <axe9> <.<
[11:19] <axe9> >.<
[11:19] <subterrific> jdub: i really like having the icons turned off, i used to take all my icons off my macos desktop also. however, i question the learning curve for new users.
[11:19] <maswan> well, or any other automatic net install method
[11:19] <axe9> I've got no clue as to what  'lspci' and 'lspci -n' are T_T
[11:19] <subterrific> most people are used to having those icons there thanks to windows, mac, etc...
[11:20] <Kamion> axe9: they're commands you run in a terminal
[11:20] <WW> axe9: Start with Applications->System Tools->Terminal
[11:20] <axe9> ok
[11:20] <_Hiro_> why can't I set my ap with iwconfig?
[11:20] <Kamion> maswan: not yet, kickstart-a-like is a Hoary goal
[11:20] <WW> axe9: After the$, type lspci and hit enter.
[11:20] <_Hiro_> iwconfig ath0 ap <apdata> fails :/
[11:20] <curtian4> anyone able to take q's on the livecd?
[11:21] <axe9> You want me to paste what cam up into a PM?
[11:21] <subterrific> i guess as long as nautilus brings up a new window when a volume is mounted, thats what really matters.
[11:21] <axe9> came*
[11:21] <_axel> Kamion: done, #1527 commited to bugzilla, ask if you need any extra info
[11:21] <Kamion> axe9: mail to cjwatson@canonical.com would be better
[11:21] <axe9> kk
[11:21] <maswan> Kamion: Ok, in brief, what I care about is selection of packages in classes/netgroups/etc and a postinst.pl or equivalent for all the local modifications. Well, besides a 0-question installation.
[11:22] <mxpxpod> do we know when mono packages are going to be built for ubuntu?
[11:22] <tube013> hey folks.. I'm trying to get my prism54 card working.  I copied the firmware to /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware but when I modprobe prism54 it doesn't load the firmware
[11:22] <axe9> sent
[11:23] <tseng> mxpxpod: get an x86
[11:23] <mxpxpod> tseng: :P
[11:23] <linux_mafia> tseng, you already built some, didnt you bro?
[11:23] <Treenaks> as bugzilla isn't working for me, could someone add a note that Debian bug #246725 is still present in the Ubuntu installer?
[11:23] <tseng> linux_mafia: he's on ppc
[11:23] <maswan> Kamion: kickstart? is that the redhat or mandrake version? I'm only familiar with fai, jumpstart, nim and roboinst. :)
[11:23] <Deft> tube013, how do you know it doesn't load? is that from a dmesg message?
[11:23] <ish> how can I get 'dpkg -l' to show me the whole name of the packages?
[11:23] <linux_mafia> tseng, oh, i see
[11:24] <Treenaks> ish: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l package
[11:24] <_axel> ish: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l
[11:24] <_axel> echo!
[11:24] <Treenaks> _axel:  :)
[11:24] <Kamion> maswan: I think kickstart's a RHism
[11:24] <_axel> :P
[11:25] <maswan> Kamion: Ok, so what are you guys going to call it? ;)
[11:25] <tube013> Deft:  yea.. nothing from hotplug, which I normally see when it worked in other distros.  It may be ACPI error.  is the Ubuntu kernel patched so I can load a patched dsdt into initrd.img?
[11:25] <sabdfl> hmm... looks like there is a mailman upgrade problem in warty/universe
[11:25] <Kamion> maswan: well, we'll be importing debconf preseeding from sarge, for a start
[11:26] <maswan> Kamion: We might kludge ubuntu into our fai install anyway, I mean, we did that for pure64 and the upside of ubuntu is real security upgrades..
[11:26] <Kamion> maswan: the kickstart stuff will I think be some kind of automated translation from literal Kickstart files, which will help people with big RH/etc. deployments to integrate Ubuntu relatively seamlessly
[11:26] <jdub> maswan: wow, cool :)
[11:26] <maswan> jdub: On the other hand, the cluster is running fine right now, so we might not. :)
[11:27] <tseng> oops, i just filled my fileserver
[11:27] <tseng> 30gb of flac :)
[11:27] <maswan> Kamion: Ah, ok. I've never had any experience with kickstar.
[11:27] <_Hiro_> 192.168.1.0     0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 ath0  that's a correct route, no?
[11:28] <Kamion> _Hiro_: looks OK, provided your IP is 192.168.1.<something>; I would expect to see another line for the route to the gateway
[11:28] <_Hiro_> or does it need the gateway filled in? :|
[11:28] <Kamion> 192.168.124.128 0.0.0.0         255.255.255.128 U     0      0        0 eth2
[11:28] <Kamion> 0.0.0.0         192.168.124.225 0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 eth2
[11:28] <_Hiro_> problem is when I do ssh 192.168.1.1 it says "no route to host"
[11:29] <_Hiro_> ath0 is a card in the system, right now I use eth0 to go to the net :/
[11:29] <|trey|> grrrr... ubuntu is ignoring my "roll-up" setting in Desktop Prefs >> Windows
[11:29] <sabdfl> anybody know a lot about mailman here?
[11:29] <_Hiro_> it all worked on gentoo but somehow debian is different enough so that my openvpn script horribly fails :(
[11:29] <jdub> sabdfl: try me
[11:29] <axe9> Kamion, you gte my Email?
[11:30] <sabdfl> upgrading to the latest mailman in universe gives me an error about there being files in /var/lib/mailman/qfiles
[11:30] <_Hiro_> pff
[11:30] <_Hiro_> ubuntu is quite the pain :(
[11:30] <Kamion> axe9: yes, thanks
[11:30] <linux_mafia> daniel stones not here is he? or Fabio Massimo Di Nitto
[11:30] <jdub> maswan: is this on rince?
[11:30] <Kamion> axe9: but you appear to have only sent the output of 'lspci', not 'lspci -n' too
[11:31] <jdub> maswan: sorry
[11:31] <axe9> ah...
[11:31] <jdub> sabdfl: is this on rince?
[11:31] <Kamion> axe9: I also don't see an SATA controller there ...
[11:31] <sabdfl> jdub: yes
[11:31] <axe9> one min
[11:31] <Kamion> unless it's:
[11:31] <Kamion> 0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801AA IDE (rev 02)
[11:31] <axe9> lemme get the box..
[11:31] <jdub> sabdfl: i'm logged in, want me to look at it?
[11:31] <_Hiro_> I don't have /dev/dsp it doesn't create /dev/hdc automatically, networking acts weird, it doesn't support mixed SCSI-IDE environemnts it seems... quite a struggle for me :P
[11:31] <jdub> sabdfl: you realise rince is our list server, right? :)
[11:31] <sabdfl> yes, i'm just dogfooding
[11:32] <axe9> I'm one of those "Know's more then anyone he knows about computers, is a total newb when the shit hits the fan, and knows nothing really"type guys... >.>
[11:32] <jdub> sabdfl: *fear*
[11:32] <jdub> sabdfl: i'll have a look :-)
[11:33] <axe9> It's not SATA
[11:33] <subterrific> Treenaks: you get the bugzilla thing worked out? i checked my password email, and its coming from bugzilla-daemon@bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[11:33] <axe9> Ultra ATA/100
[11:33] <jdub> sabdfl: can you quit out of aptitiude/apt/whatever?
[11:33] <Treenaks> subterrific: it works now
[11:33] <subterrific> k
[11:33] <jdub> sabdfl: i'm locked out
[11:33] <Treenaks> subterrific: but you have to look at the Return-Path
[11:33] <sabdfl> jdub: done
[11:33] <Treenaks> subterrific: which looks broken ..
[11:33] <jdub> ta
[11:34] <Treenaks> subterrific: anyway, I've relaxed my postfix checks a bit
[11:34] <Treenaks> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1529
[11:36] <_Hiro_> am I still here? :P
[11:36] <axe9> Ok, ls -n report sent
[11:36] <_Hiro_> ah yes
[11:36] <_Hiro_> my networking creates multiple default gateways it seems
[11:37] <phlaegel> I guess bugs shouldn't be filed on universe packages, right?
[11:37] <linux_mafia> if i look at the gnome system monitor, all processes, theres a whole heap of processes that run as root that have no name, what are they?
[11:38] <jdub> sabdfl: should be going now
[11:38] <linux_mafia> axe9, lspci -n
[11:38] <_Hiro_> I don't understand network/interfaces :/
[11:38] <axe9> I did
[11:38] <phlaegel> _Hiro_: what do you need to do?
[11:39] <_Hiro_> if I want to send something over 192.168.1.0 I need to point it to the gateway, but if I set the gateway it adds it as a default gateway for the whole system. Can I not just specify it for the network segment?
[11:40] <_Hiro_> well my wireless is in 192.168.1.0/24 the gateway/ap for it is 192.168.1.1 but if I put that as gateway in the interfaces file it sets it as default 0.0.0.0 gateway 
[11:40] <sabdfl> jdub: how would you feel about a switch to grub and kernel 2.6 on that box?
[11:40] <_Hiro_> and I already have eth0 for 0.0.0.0 there
[11:40] <_Hiro_> maybe it's my interfaces notation :/
[11:41] <_Hiro_> right now I'm just trying to get the wireless to work so I can get my vpn running again and ditch the wires :P
[11:41] <jdub> sabdfl: can you touch the box within 1 minute of where you're sitting?
[11:42] <sabdfl> no ways, it's somewhere in texas
[11:42] <jdub> sabdfl: that's an easy one, then ;-)
[11:42] <jdub> sabdfl: unless you've got really great on-site support people
[11:42] <jdub> sabdfl: who can fix it
[11:42] <axe9> Anybody want Gmail ^^'
[11:43] <hypatia> axe9: http://isnoop.net/gmailomatic.php
[11:43] <sabdfl> jdub: problem is, the lilo config is out of date, so if it resets itself I don't know it will come up anyway
[11:43] <Deft> jdub, do you have any plans for switching to gamin, I don't want to have to be jealous of this new Fedora...
[11:43] <jdub> sabdfl: even more reason to avoid it ;)
[11:44] <sabdfl> so... rather leave it with a timebomb?
[11:44] <axe9> ?
[11:44] <_Hiro_> BTW the installer somehow majorly fails on SCSI raid 5 if I have an IDE disk activated :/
[11:44] <jdub> sabdfl: prefer not, but what's the on-site support like atm?
[11:45] <jdub> sabdfl: if there's someone there who can baby it, then it's not too scary
[11:45] <sabdfl> good
[11:54] <axe9> ah?
[11:55] <axe9> Anyluckwith finding out how to get the dual boot system working?
[11:58] <lucas_> hi
[11:58] <ElRaton> hello
[11:58] <ElRaton> ;)
[11:59] <ElRaton> this is my next gnu/linux distribution ;)
[11:59] <axe9> kool
[11:59] <ElRaton> ;))
[12:00] <ElRaton> w/ i'll have a laptop, in fact ;)