[12:00] <ElRaton> cuz my workstation will stay half a desktop, half a server
[12:01] <axe9> You want to use Ubuntu as a server OS O_o
[12:02] <ElRaton> non
[12:02] <ElRaton> i don't
[12:02] <ElRaton> i'll use ubuntu on my laptop, when i'll have it
[12:03] <axe9> Oh!
[12:03] <axe9> I see 8)
[12:03] <ElRaton> but i'm not using it cuz at this time, i only have 1 computer
[12:03] <axe9> What you gonna use for the server/
[12:03] <ElRaton> half a server, half a worsktation ;)
[12:03] <ElRaton> currently, fedora core 2
[12:03] <axe9> Ah, cool
[12:03] <ElRaton> once i'll have ubuntu on my laptop...
[12:03] <ElRaton> debian :D
[12:03] <ElRaton> i think
[12:03] <axe9> Is Debian good for servers?
[12:03] <ElRaton> ???
[12:03] <ElRaton> OF COURSE
[12:04] <axe9> Hmn
[12:04] <ElRaton> no trolls, but debian is made for servers, and is the best distro to do a server
[12:04] <ElRaton> ;)
[12:04] <ElRaton> really, debian is not made for end-users (yes it is...) but first for servers ;)
[12:04] <_Hiro_> is there a package for madwifi driver maybe? :|
[12:04] <ElRaton> _Hiro_, universe ;)
[12:04] <axe9> Soemone I know said it mightn't be good using Debian, because the distro he had was all screwy, and had stabilty troubles..
[12:05] <axe9> I think my servers run on RedHat
[12:05] <ElRaton> it's possible
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> ElRaton: which is precisely why ubuntu exists
[12:05] <ElRaton> cuz debian has flavours
[12:05] <_Hiro_> I let synaptic search but it has no such package :/
[12:05] <ElRaton> HrdwrBoB, i understood ;)
[12:05] <ElRaton> HrdwrBoB, i'm explaining him ;)
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> axe9: I assure you debian is a much better server OS
[12:05] <_Hiro_> apt-cache doesn't find anything either
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> we run redhat at work and I despise it
[12:05] <ElRaton> but debian has 3 main flavous
[12:05] <azeem> HrdwrBoB: ubuntu is marketed as a server OS as well, though
[12:05] <axe9> Kool, well, I don't have control over what OS they use :P
[12:05] <ElRaton> the stable one, for servers
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> _Hiro_: have you got restricted in your sources.list
[12:06] <ElRaton> the testing one, less stable ;)
[12:06] <axe9> As long as my 30GBs are there, I'm fine ;)
[12:06] <ElRaton> and the unstable one... hum... for me ;))
[12:06] <_Hiro_> I have uncommented universe
[12:06] <ElRaton> and debian developpers ;)
[12:06] <Miichael> how is video card support in ubuntu?
[12:06] <HrdwrBoB> azeem: true, but at least for now, that's unlikely to happen much
[12:06] <ElRaton> _Hiro_, apt-get update
[12:06] <sladen> axe9: I feel your friend maybe mis-informed.  Alot of the reason people /do/ run Debian is because it has a reputation for stability that it is often believed, nothing else rivals
[12:06] <_Hiro_> I did apt-get update
[12:06] <axe9> oh
[12:06] <axe9> ok
[12:06] <ElRaton> _Hiro_, after uncommenting it, you need to update your dpkg cache
[12:06] <_Hiro_> I did that
[12:06] <ElRaton> _Hiro_, apt-cache search madwifi ??
[12:06] <_Hiro_> how else would I been able to get openvpn :)
[12:07] <axe9> Oh! My sound isn't working on Ubuntu eiter ..>
[12:07] <_Hiro_> I searched for wifi, nothing
[12:07] <_Hiro_> ygdrassil:/etc/openvpn# apt-cache search wifi
[12:07] <_Hiro_> atmel-firmware - Contains the firmware images for atmel wifi cards
[12:07] <_Hiro_> kwifimanager - KDE Wireless Lan Manager
[12:07] <_Hiro_> those 2 :|
[12:07] <sladen> _Hiro_: your madwifi stuff should be installed by default (and hopefully auto-detected too)
[12:07] <_Hiro_> I think this might be my wireless problem: Bit Rate=1Mb/s
[12:07] <_Hiro_> well it doesn't work
[12:08] <_Hiro_> it always gives no route to host
[12:08] <sladen> _Hiro_: That's probably not a madwifi problem
[12:08] <_Hiro_> then I don't know what is
[12:08] <ElRaton> but a wifi configuration problem ;)
[12:08] <_Hiro_> routing tables are ok
[12:08] <_Hiro_> yet no route
[12:08] <_Hiro_> no the wifi works
[12:08] <_Hiro_> worked fine with gentoo
[12:09] <sladen> _Hiro_: is your routeing okay.  Or is there no route, why?
[12:09] <ElRaton> WEP key, channel or ESSID, ip settings (IP, netmask) ?
[12:09] <sladen> _Hiro_: is your routeing okay.  Or is there no route, which?
[12:09] <_Hiro_> yes all set
[12:09] <ElRaton> ad-hoc or managed ?
[12:09] <_Hiro_> I used this before on gentoo, openvpn over 128 WEP, it worked fine
[12:09] <_Hiro_> managed
[12:09] <sladen> _Hiro_: what does  /sbin/iwconfig   or the Wireless Applet tell you
[12:09] <ElRaton> iwlist wlan0 scan
[12:10] <ElRaton> replace wlan0 by your wireless interface
[12:10] <ElRaton> [root@nemo lerat] # iwlist wlan0 scan
[12:10] <ElRaton> wlan0     Scan completed :
[12:10] <ElRaton>           Cell 01 - Address: 00:07:CB:50:0B:B8 [...] 
[12:10] <ElRaton> does this detect something ?
[12:10] <_Hiro_> iwconfig just tells me all the info like I had before
[12:10] <ElRaton> yes
[12:10] <_Hiro_> just the bit rate differs :/
[12:10] <ElRaton> but... what about iwlist?
[12:10] <sladen> ElRaton: hopefully your prompt doesn't look like that if you're running Ubuntu :)
[12:11] <ElRaton> sladen, why do you say that ? :D
[12:11] <axe9> >.>
[12:12] <phlaegel> because you enabled root
[12:12] <_Hiro_> ElRaton it gives me a big list
[12:12] <ElRaton> :D
[12:12] <sladen> _Hiro_: you mentioned that you were only getting 1Mb/second.  Have you tried moving closer to the Access Point?
[12:12] <_Hiro_> Cell 01 and a lot of bit rates
[12:12] <ElRaton> _Hiro_, ok, so your antenna driver is ok ;)
[12:12] <ElRaton> sladen, ;D
[12:12] <_Hiro_> listen, yesterday I was on gentoo and it moved at 1MB/s
[12:12] <_Hiro_> neither boxes have moved since :p
[12:12] <ElRaton> sladen, [lerat@nemo lerat] $ unset PS1 \n pwd \n /home/lerat (\n is for newline)
[12:13] <ElRaton> 11MB/s, you mean
[12:13] <Mitario> nite all
[12:13] <axe9> How do I log on as the root user, so I can change my menu.ls file?
[12:13] <ElRaton> _Hiro_, how many cells do you find with iwlist ?
[12:13] <_Hiro_> 1
[12:13] <_Hiro_> cell 01
[12:13] <ElRaton> _Hiro_, cuz maybe you have problems dealing...
[12:13] <ElRaton> ok :D
[12:13] <ElRaton> my neighboor also have wireless ;)
[12:14] <_Hiro_> yes but I set a fixed ap
[12:14] <sladen> ElRaton: indeed.  I know people have personal tastes...   Mine is an adversion to that style of prompt
[12:14] <_Hiro_> my ap
[12:14] <ElRaton> (and until i don't have connection, he give me his WEP... i'm waiting for my modem to work !!)
[12:14] <_Hiro_> and the neighbours do have wireless here somewhere :P
[12:14] <ElRaton> sladen, default setting ;))
[12:14] <ElRaton> sladen, tell me your prompt please!
[12:14] <_Hiro_> but I don't get it :/
[12:14] <_Hiro_> can I paste my ifconfig data somewhere?
[12:15] <ElRaton> here :D
[12:15] <_Hiro_> really? it doesn't bother you people.
[12:15] <ninja> pls can someone send me their /etc/apt/sources.list (from a standard install)?
[12:15] <ElRaton> ... go ;)
[12:15] <ElRaton> _Hiro_, it would be shorter than asking and asking!
[12:15] <_Hiro_> iface ath0 inet static
[12:15] <_Hiro_>         name Wireless LAN card
[12:15] <_Hiro_>         address 192.168.1.10
[12:15] <_Hiro_>         netmask 255.255.255.0
[12:15] <_Hiro_>         broadcast 192.168.1.255
[12:15] <_Hiro_>         network 192.168.1.0
[12:15] <_Hiro_>         #gateway 192.168.1.1
[12:15] <axe9> ...
[12:15] <_Hiro_> this is what I have for ath0
[12:16] <_Hiro_> it's what it's supposed to be?
[12:16] <_Hiro_> I don't see a fault
[12:16] <ElRaton> hum...
[12:16] <_Hiro_> I commented out the gateway because I use the ethernet right now
[12:16] <ElRaton> do you have the one of a computer who's OK with the wireless network?
[12:16] <_Hiro_> and if I don't it makes 2 default gateways
[12:17] <_Hiro_> I have 2 others that are ok
[12:17] <_Hiro_> same cards
[12:17] <ElRaton> can you give us their ifconfig?
[12:17] <ElRaton> one of them only ;)
[12:17] <ElRaton> as a private message to me, if you want
[12:17] <_Hiro_> I'll try :/
[12:18] <Miichael> if no k3b. what burning software is there to use in ubuntu
[12:18] <ElRaton> Miichael, cdrecord ;))
[12:18] <axe9> >.>
[12:19] <seb128> nautilus-cd-burner
[12:19] <sladen> ElRaton: standard Debian one:  PS1='\u@\h:\w\$ '
[12:19] <axe9> How do I log on as the root T_T as soon as i find that out, my problem can be fixed T_T
[12:19] <ElRaton> sladen, ok :D
[12:19] <seb128> axe9: sudo su ? :)
[12:19] <ElRaton> i have to go to bed, a lot of work tomorrow and it's 12:20PM ;)
[12:19] <housetier> sudo vim 
[12:19] <ElRaton> see ya'
[12:20] <axe9> Ok, but I have no clue what that is...
[12:20] <Miichael> will it burn image files? ie .iso .img and so forth
[12:20] <Kamion> axe9: type 'sudo' before whichever command you want to run as root
[12:20] <ElRaton> Miichael, yes
[12:20] <_Hiro_> ElRaton I printed them :/
[12:20] <Kamion> axe9: we disable the root account by default
[12:20] <Miichael> sweet...
[12:20] <ElRaton> _Hiro_, ok
[12:20] <Miichael> thanks
[12:20] <axe9> All I need is a way to edit my menu.ls file
[12:20] <_Hiro_> can't reach the other computers right now since they're wireless :P
[12:20] <ElRaton> _Hiro_, what are the differences with the one you sent ?
[12:20] <Miichael> more i read up on this distro. more i want to try it out
[12:20] <sladen> axe9: sudo emacs menu.lst
[12:20] <axe9> it's read-only now
[12:20] <_Hiro_> I'll check
[12:20] <axe9> ok
[12:20] <axe9> thanks
[12:21] <ElRaton> http://www.andesi.org/index.php?node=25
[12:21] <ElRaton> sorry
[12:21] <ElRaton> not the good chan
[12:22] <linux_mafia> anyone know how to reset my mouse cursor speeds, sensitivity, etc, back to its default in gnome?
[12:22] <axe9> Ah, ok, so I was told to put title Windows
[12:22] <axe9>        rootnoverify (hd0,0)
[12:22] <axe9>        chainloader +1 on the end of the file
[12:23] <axe9> do I just paste that in this blank doc that came up?
[12:23] <_Hiro_> no difference :/
[12:23] <_Hiro_> apart from the usual of course IPs and such ;)
[12:23] <_Hiro_> but no significant difference but the bit rate, which is why I was thinking it was the driver maybe? :|
[12:25] <_Hiro_> maybe it's something dumb I did :/
[12:26] <_Hiro_> is there a way I could reinstall the drivers just to be sure?
[12:26] <axe9> Sladen, Should I just overwrite the file?
[12:27] <axe9> Because, this is a blank document, besides for what I added
[12:27] <_Hiro_> fuck it, at least ethernet works :P anyone know how to fix the mystery of the non-appearing HD? 
[12:27] <axe9> Ah, I have that probel m too...
[12:28] <_Hiro_> it does appear if I touch it's parents counterpart in /.dev/  e.g. touch /.dev/hdc
[12:28] <_Hiro_> then I wait a second and /dev/hdc and /dev/hdc1 suddenly exist
[12:29] <axe9> ...
[12:29] <_Hiro_> weird he :P
[12:29] <_Hiro_> and my soundcard gets made as /dev/dsp1 instead of /dev/dsp :(
[12:30] <_Hiro_> I can symlink it but of course that gets killed every reboot
[12:30] <_Hiro_> I whine now, but I'll help later, I promise ;)
[12:34] <axe9> I SO should not have installed linux on a machine I'm not theonly one using >.>
[12:34] <edd> it's the only way :)
[12:35] <axe9> no...
[12:35] <axe9> I have a REALLY old machine..
[12:36] <axe9> it has like..
[12:36] <axe9> 16MBs RAM,and 480MHz with a 5GB hdd
[12:37] <axe9> I'm soo lost >.>
[12:43] <tm> where can i find the sun-j2sdk1.5 pkg?
[12:43] <axe9> aight
[12:43] <axe9> brb
[12:43] <axe9> I'm gonna reboot and see if this worked...
[12:45] <andred> Does the latest Firefox in Ubuntu have the security flaws in Firefox fixed?
[12:48] <subterrific> tm: http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php
[12:51] <tm> subterrific: thx
[12:52] <family_> >:(
[12:52] <family_> not working >.>
[12:53] <Deft> this still the dual boot thing?
[12:53] <family_> >.<
[12:53] <family_> yeah
[12:53] <Deft> k, what have you done so far?
[12:54] <family_> I'm stuck, and no one here has told me anything besides how to open something called emacs...
[12:54] <family_> I odn't know WHAT to do
[12:54] <Deft> just to check, you need to be able to boot winxp as well as ubuntu?
[12:55] <family_> I was told to put
[12:55] <family_> yeah
[12:55] <family_> title Windows
[12:55] <ubuntuwig> grr
[12:55] <family_>        rootnoverify (hd0,0)
[12:55] <family_>        chainloader +1
[12:55] <ubuntuwig> metacity really needs a "close all windows" hotkey
[12:55] <family_> in my menu.ls file by a friend
[12:56] <family_> oh
[12:56] <Deft> ok, you probably need to add "makeactive" on a line there, after root... is good
[12:56] <family_> some background
[12:56] <family_> but, how do I change the chmod so I can edit it?
[12:57] <subterrific> family_: use sudo
[12:57] <subterrific> sudo -s to get a root console
[12:57] <Deft> you don't; an easy way is, assuming you're at an x terminal: "sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst"
[12:57] <subterrific> or sudo <command>
[12:58] <Deft> then type your own password when it asks
[12:58] <ubuntuwig> i'm going to have to play the "guess which PCI slot on your motherboard is the bus mastering slot" gam
[12:58] <axe9> AH!
[12:58] <ubuntuwig> input gets really jerky when i'm copying things over the network
[12:59] <axe9> Ok
[12:59] <ubuntuwig> debian didn't do this, so i don't know what the deal is
[12:59] <axe9> now what do I change on
[12:59] <axe9> title Windows
[12:59] <axe9>        rootnoverify (hd0,0)
[12:59] <axe9>        chainloader +1
[12:59] <axe9> to get my other hdd to come up, and be able to dual boot
[12:59] <Deft> is that in the section headed examples?
[01:00] <axe9> Not that I see
[01:00] <axe9> err...
[01:00] <axe9> wiat
[01:00] <keifer> hey, do i need to delete the packages in sysatpic's "installed (obsolete)" section?
[01:00] <Deft> or, if you haven't added it at all yet, the examples section is a good place
[01:00] <axe9> oh
[01:00] <axe9> yeah, it is
[01:00] <axe9> only it has
[01:00] <axe9> makeactive
[01:00] <Deft> that's good
[01:00] <axe9> title Windows
[01:00] <axe9>        rootnoverify (hd0,0)
[01:00] <axe9>   makeactive     chainloader +1
[01:01] <Deft> with no #s at the start of the lines?
[01:01] <conekg> hi all
[01:01] <axe9> But, what do I put as the root?
[01:01] <axe9> no
[01:01] <axe9> # title		Windows 95/98/NT/2000
[01:01] <axe9> # root		(hd0,0)
[01:01] <axe9> # makeactive
[01:01] <axe9> # chainloader	+1
[01:01] <axe9> is what it has
[01:01] <conekg> i am trying to install nvidia drivers 
[01:01] <Deft> delete all those #s
[01:01] <axe9> k
[01:01] <Deft> and the spaces after them, so the lines start at the start
[01:01] <conekg> does ubunt have kernel source of its install disk?
[01:01] <axe9> ok
[01:02] <axe9> NOw, save or is there something else?
[01:02] <Kamion> Deft: # has a special meaning in menu.lst ... update-grub parses it
[01:02] <axe9> ooh!
[01:02] <axe9> Do I hjust have to add /XP to the 96/98/2000 part?
[01:02] <andred> Small detail: "About Ubuntu" probably shouldn't have "..." after it. It doesn't bring up something that requires further user input. Other GNOME "About X" stuff don't have dots.
[01:03] <Deft> Kamion, simplifying here, in examples it's not important
[01:03] <Kamion> axe9: the title part is purely informational
[01:03] <axe9> oh
[01:03] <Deft> for mine, I have (assuming this doesn't count as flooding):
[01:03] <Llamabutcher> hey guys I have a problem: im trying to do the apt-get update, but when i do it it fails at the end and tells me i should run apt-get update to fix the problem.  I did everything in /etc/apt/sources.list that i read to do...
[01:03] <Deft> # examples
[01:03] <Deft> #
[01:04] <Deft>  title		Windows 98Se
[01:04] <Deft>  root		(hd0,0)
[01:04] <Deft>  makeactive
[01:04] <Deft>  chainloader	+1
[01:04] <Llamabutcher> when you comment out a line does that mean to just take the # out from the beginning?
[01:05] <axe9> no, puting the # in, in most languages, forms a comment
[01:05] <axe9> except in HTML
[01:05] <jdandr2> any ideas why I don't have man pages like strlen or any c++ ...
[01:05] <axe9> whereas it's <! comment --!>
[01:05] <Kamion> jdandr2: install manpages-dev
[01:05] <Deft> don't worry, just make sure those lines don't have them
[01:06] <axe9> ok, now save and reboot?
[01:06] <Kamion> axe9: <!-- -->
[01:06] <Deft> no
[01:06] <axe9> yea
[01:06] <Deft> save yes
[01:06] <axe9> ok, now what?
[01:06] <jdandr2> Kamion, thanks
[01:06] <Deft> first, are you sure that's where windows is, the first partition of the first drive?
[01:07] <axe9> No, it's on the second of the slave drive
[01:07] <axe9> Linux is on the master drive
[01:07] <Deft> ha, then you need (someone check me here) "(hd1,1)"
[01:07] <_axel> axe9: then you'll need to use map 
[01:07] <axe9> map?
[01:08] <_axel> 'map' grub command
[01:08] <_axel> to make windows think its on the first partition when it boots
[01:08] <axe9> So, where.. er...
[01:08] <axe9> oh..
[01:08] <axe9> so, replace the (0.0)?
[01:08] <_axel> ok, so if your windows is in second of slave drive that would be (hd1,1)
[01:08] <_axel> but it must be (hd0,0) for xp to work
[01:08] <axe9> ok
[01:09] <_axel> so you have to do map (hd1) (hd0)
[01:09] <_axel> map (hd0) (hd1)
[01:09] <axe9> ?
[01:09] <_axel> space between parentheses is important
[01:09] <Kamion> _axel: that map bug does make sense to me, but I'll have to read up a bit to find out if there are any otherwise unexpected side-effects
[01:10] <_axel> Kamion: sure, i'd be interested to know, but it just works for me... windows thinks it's in C:\ and everything is fine so far (have been doing this for months now)
[01:10] <Deft> _axel, where exactly do the map lines go?
[01:10] <_axel> Deft: i paste my stanza:
[01:10] <axe9> yeah
[01:10] <axe9> where
[01:10] <Kamion> _axel: I guess the main issue might be somebody who has a Windows install that's happy in D:\; I was under the impression that that was possible, if fiddly
[01:10] <_axel> title       xp
[01:10] <_axel> map         (hd2) (hd0)
[01:10] <_axel> map         (hd0) (hd2)
[01:10] <_axel> rootnoverify (hd2,0)
[01:10] <_axel> chainloader +1
[01:11] <Kamion> _axel: that said, I haven't actually used Windows since 95
[01:11] <_axel> that forces loading of an xp partition in partition 1 of hard disk 3
[01:11] <_axel> grub counts from 0
[01:11] <_axel> confusing at times
[01:11] <axe9> so, should I paste that where 
[01:11] <axe9> # title		Windows 95/98/NT/2000
[01:11] <axe9> # root		(hd0,0)
[01:11] <axe9> # makeactive
[01:11] <axe9> # chainloader	+1
[01:11] <_axel> Kamion: i just play command&conquer ;)
[01:11] <Llamabutcher> can someone help me with the universe thing u have to do in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[01:11] <axe9> is right now?
[01:12] <_axel> axe9: that is totally commented out -- you should remove all '#'
[01:12] <axe9> I know :P
[01:12] <axe9> brb
[01:12] <_axel> axe9: that'll only work if your windows is in first partition of first hard disk, which you just said is not true if i understood
[01:13] <conekg> does ubuntu have kernel source on its install cd?
[01:13] <conekg> i need them to install nvidia driver
[01:13] <Deft> conekg, you can get the source using synaptic
[01:13] <_axel> Kamion: the D:\ thing might be an issue, you're right, but i dunno either
[01:14] <conekg> Deft, I can't bring the X up so I thought to install the sources from a cd
[01:15] <conekg> using dpkg
[01:15] <conekg> i just can't find them
[01:15] <Deft> well, you don't need nvidia for X to work, but ok: are you using the default kernel?
[01:15] <Kamion> the source code isn't on the CD
[01:15] <conekg> yes
[01:16] <Kamion> conekg: the kernel *headers* will be on the CD as of tomorrow's daily build
[01:16] <Kamion> conekg: that should be enough to build any driver ...
[01:16] <conekg> i have a dial-up can i download them now?
[01:16] <Deft> you can just get linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-386 (?!) and nvidia-glx
[01:16] <sladen> it's on the CD
[01:17] <conekg> oh I will try that now, thanks
[01:17] <Deft> (apt-get install ...)
[01:17] <conekg> did anyone have sucess in installing lucent winmodem?
[01:19] <_axel> Kamion: btw, regarding the grub map thing, i found this: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grub/2003-04/msg00019.html -- you might want to have a look
[01:21] <Kamion> _axel: thanks, added that to the bug
[01:22] <_axel> np
[01:32] <Deft> is it suddenly night time everywhere?
[01:32] <ubuntuwig> yes
[01:33] <Hrdwr_BoB> 9:38am
[01:33] <Hrdwr_BoB> on first coffee
[01:33] <Hrdwr_BoB> can't take
[01:33] <axe9> brb again >.>
[01:33] <Hrdwr_BoB> tlak
[01:33] <Hrdwr_BoB> still sleepy
[01:33] <Miichael> 4:30pm here
[01:33] <axe9> damned dishes...
[01:33] <ubuntuwig> 7:30 pm here
[01:33] <axe9> why wcan't they wash themselves >:(
[01:33] <keifer> 6:33 here
[01:33] <axe9> 6:30PM here
[01:33] <Cardador> 00.33
[01:33] <Hrdwr_BoB> axe9, in my house they do :)
[01:33] <axe9> 33*
[01:33] <Hrdwr_BoB> <3 dishwasher
[01:33] <keifer> Cardador: GMT?
[01:34] <Cardador> ?
[01:34] <Deft> bst
[01:34] <keifer> ah, trying to figure out what timezone 00.33 is. :P
[01:34] <Cardador> lisbon :P
[01:34] <ubuntuwig> em portugal eu era cardiologo
[01:35] <Cardador> ahah
[01:35] <ubuntuwig> miguel, pasquale, since you two have worked so hard, i have a special treat for you
[01:35] <ubuntuwig> doriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitos
[01:36] <jsc> hey folks.... can someone tell me how to stop ubuntu from changing the time whenever i change to my local time and reboot it goes back to utc
[01:36] <azeem> jsc: ntpdate does that
[01:36] <jsc> so disable it
[01:36] <jsc> ?
[01:36] <WW> Help!
[01:36] <azeem> jsc: so disable or deinstall it
[01:36] <jsc> k
[01:36] <jsc> ty
[01:37] <azeem> I guess :)
[01:38] <keifer> Any one have an idea when the firefox 1.0 preview will be avalable for ubuntu?
[01:38] <WW> I installed ubuntu, and installed the nvidia graphics driver.  Later I realized that I should be using the -686 kernel, so I installed linux-image-2.6-686.
[01:38] <WW> Now X won't start.
[01:39] <ubuntuwig> what does /var/log/XFree86.0.log say
[01:40] <WW> ubuntuwig: I'll take a look.
[01:41] <Deft> WW, nvidia installer or ubuntu restricted modules package?
[01:41] <Cardador> WW i did the same thing as you. I add to install the correspondent restricted modules
[01:41] <Cardador> *had
[01:41] <Cardador> correspondent to the kernel image you installed
[01:43] <WW> Carador: Yeah, that's what I figure.  
[01:43] <WW> Deft: ubuntu packages.
[01:43] <WW> The first error that in the log is
[01:43] <WW> (EE) NVIDIAS
[01:43] <Deft> yeah, do what Cardador said then
[01:43] <WW> oops, ignore that
[01:44] <ubuntuwig> les versions sont incompatibles
[01:44] <WW> OK, the error in the log is "Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!
[01:45] <WW> So, does anyone happen to know the name of the  restricted modules package for -686?
[01:45] <azeem> same as for -386, just with -686
[01:45] <azeem> (I guess)
[01:46] <Dashiva> is there a 686 kernel package or something
[01:46] <thom> Dashiva: linux-image-2.6-686
[01:46] <thom> WW: sorry, can't help. i'm on AMD64
[01:47] <Cardador> WW: yes
[01:47] <ubuntuwig> sup StoneTable
[01:47] <WW> I think I found it. How does "linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-686" sound?
[01:47] <azeem> thom: what a sorry excuse
[01:47] <Deft> yes
[01:47] <Cardador> sounds good :)
[01:47] <Kamion> WW: yup
[01:47] <Kamion> WW: actually, not quite
[01:47] <Kamion> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-2-686 | 2.6.8.1.0-2 |         warty | i386
[01:48] <WW> So, in theory, I should apt-get install it, reboot, and "voila!"?
[01:48] <Kamion> add that -2
[01:48] <Kamion> WW: shouldn't need to reboot in principle, modprobing the relevant module should do ...
[01:48] <bolivar> anyone seen van halen on the current tour?  were they any good?
[01:48] <Kamion> WW: also, that package should have been installed by default
[01:48] <WW> Kamion: Thanks--that was my bad typing--I found it with apt-cache search
[01:49] <Kamion> I'd pimp madison-lite except that you need a local mirror for it to be useful
[01:49] <Dashiva> hmm there's even a k7
[01:49] <WW> Kamion: The -686 version should be installed by default?
[01:49] <Kamion> WW: should be, yeah
[01:49] <azeem> quite some people quote -386 versions though it seems
[01:49] <Deft> Kamion, 386 is what I got
[01:49] <Kamion> oh, -686 probably isn't on the CD
[01:50] <azeem> yeah
[01:50] <Dashiva> it's not
[01:50] <WW> Kamion: But my kernel-image-<etc> was -386, until I installed the -686, and that's what caused this problem.
[01:50] <Deft> I think the Wiki says 386 is the elected base thing
[01:50] <Kamion> base-warty:linux-image-2.6-386
[01:50] <Kamion> base-warty:linux-image-2.6.8.1-2-386
[01:50] <Kamion> base-warty:linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-2-386
[01:50] <Kamion> that's all we've got so far
[01:50] <mdz> right
[01:50] <Deft> and sadly apt can't know to install the restricted modules with the different kernel...
[01:51] <Dashiva> nvidia modules are in restricted modules?
[01:51] <Kamion> mdz: I take it you don't feel like adding 64MB to the CD for the other kernels
[01:51] <Deft> Dashiva, the kernel modules itself yes
[01:51] <WW> Installing... 10 .. 9 ..
[01:51] <WW> 5  4 ...
[01:51] <thom> azeem: *g*
[01:51] <Dashiva> kk...just for reference...where is the source installed if you install the source package
[01:52] <Cardador> /usr/src i think
[01:52] <mdz> Kamion: we have about 100M left, right?
[01:52] <WW> OK, now...  startx? or /etc/init.d/gdm start?
[01:52] <mdz> or a bit more?
[01:52] <WW> or just log out?
[01:52] <Deft> /etc/init.d/gdm restart should do
[01:52] <Kamion> or ~43MB on amd64, or ~48MB on powerpc
[01:52] <mdz> Dashiva: you don't install source packages in Debian; you just unpack them someplace
[01:52] <Kamion> mdz: there is a linux-source-*.deb though
[01:53] <Dashiva> is there a default dir that it unpacks to?
[01:53] <Kamion> that goes in /usr/src
[01:53] <Dashiva> k
[01:53] <Kamion> Dashiva: your current directory
[01:53] <mdz> oh, that
[01:53] <Kamion> Dashiva: if you use apt-get source
[01:53] <Deft> Dashiva, it doesn't unpack, just gives you the patch kernel ina  bz2
[01:53] <Dashiva> yeah there's a nvidia-glx-dev and nvidia-kernel-source package
[01:53] <WW> Hmmm... /etc/init.d/gdm start didn't work.  I get the red [fail]  message.
[01:53] <azeem> why didn't you kill the -source binary packages, while you were at it?
[01:53] <Deft> WW, use restart
[01:54] <Kamion> azeem: they're useful for some strange build-deps
[01:54] <Kamion> (e.g. modconf)
[01:54] <azeem> hmm
[01:54] <azeem> too bad
[01:54] <WW> Ahhh, a lovely shade of mustard!
[01:55] <Kamion> mdz: rough back-of-an-envelope calculations say 125MB on amd64, 140MB on i386, 72MB on powerpc
[01:55] <WW> Thank you, folks, my ubuntu is back.
[01:55] <mdz> Kamion: remaining?
[01:55] <axe9> OK!
[01:55] <Kamion> mdz: yep
[01:55] <mdz> Kamion: eek
[01:55] <mdz> in that case, no, don't want to spend that much on optimised kernels :-)
[01:56] <axe9> Ok
[01:56] <axe9> So
[01:56] <axe9> ...
[01:56] <mdz> the only folks who really need -686 are those who need CONFIG_HIGHMEM or NPTL
[01:56] <mdz> both of whom I expect to have plenty of bandwidth :-)
[01:56] <azeem> I am surprised you did not elevate the minimum ia32 requirements to 686
[01:57] <LoneTech> I would be quite peeved if you did.
[01:57] <Kamion> mdz: it's held very steady for the last week; about 40MB lost since Sounder 8
[01:57] <Kamion> azeem: we opted to tune for P4 instead
[01:57] <axe9> Ok, so, in my menu.lst
[01:57] <axe9> What's the thing for mapping the drives?
[01:57] <Kamion> mdz: shame about not defaulting to NPTL if possible, mind
[01:57] <LoneTech> also considering gcc's 686 code by default doesn't run on even all 686 class cpus
[01:58] <Kamion> mdz: for Hoary we should have my new base-installer, which may let us be a little more flexible (e.g. include just the -686 kernel and have higher CPUs fall back down to it)
[01:58] <Deft> so ctrl-x kills xchat I see...
[01:58] <Dashiva> so there are nptl compiled packaged?
[01:58] <conekg> Kamion: I couldn't get nvidia driver working altough I installed restricted modules
[01:58] <Dashiva> *es
[01:59] <conekg> where can I download kernel headers package?
[01:59] <Kamion> conekg: I'm not an nvidia expert in any way, I'm afraid, just offering general package advice
[01:59] <Deft> axe9, still there?
[01:59] <Kamion> conekg: linux-headers-2.6.8.1-2-386
[01:59] <mdz> Kamion: would you be willing to make a quick test CD if we move pcmcia-cs out to ShipSeed?
[01:59] <axe9> yeah
[01:59] <Kamion> mdz: sure
[01:59] <mdz> Kamion: I'd like to give it a run through
[01:59] <Dashiva> conekg, did you put them int /etc/modules
[01:59] <mdz> Kamion: would it be possible to it without tweaking the seeds as a trial? I seem to recall you had overrides of some sort
[01:59] <Cardador> conekg: open /etc/modules and write "nvidia" at the bottom
[02:00] <Deft> ok, the stanza you need should be:
[02:00] <Deft> title       WinXP
[02:00] <Deft> map         (hd1) (hd0)
[02:00] <Deft> map         (hd0) (hd1)
[02:00] <Deft> rootnoverify (hd1,1)
[02:00] <Kamion> mdz: not really as sophisticated as overrides, but I have a script ... :)
[02:00] <Deft> chainloader +1
[02:00] <Kamion> mdz: (hey, I could use germinate hints, couldn't I? that would be CLEVER.)
[02:00] <LoneTech> debian unstable nvidia package comes with some stuff to test for tls, as well as a tls version, it seems
[02:00] <Kamion> after all, I'm only the germinate maintainer
[02:01] <mdz> Kamion: at some point we'll need to add documentation and suchlike
[02:01] <mdz> at least, that was the plan initially
[02:01] <WW> conekg: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:01] <Kamion> mdz: speaking of, please beat me up until I do an installation manual branding job
[02:01] <Kamion> (where branding includes adaptation to warty's installer)
[02:01] <WW> ..and maybe you ubuntu gurus could take a look at that wiki page and correct my mistakes :)
[02:03] <sabdfl> night all
[02:03] <axe9> aight
[02:03] <Deft> what's the problem with hotplugging graphics drivers at boot?
[02:03] <axe9> I'm gonna try this suckah out 8)
[02:04] <Deft> axe9, no!
[02:04] <Cardador> lol too late
[02:04] <Deft> you need to run sudo install-grub /dev/hda before the ...
[02:04] <Deft> hmm
[02:04] <Deft> kids these days
[02:05] <Kamion> mdz: hm, it's not a CD matter, I need a different debootstrap script to change Base
[02:05] <Kamion> mdz: how about you install from an existing CD but edit pcmcia-cs out of /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/warty before debootstrap starts?
[02:05] <_axel> lol
[02:05] <Kamion> mdz: I'll go and try that on my desktop amd64 now
[02:06] <_axel> kids should not really mess with grub
[02:08] <conekg> WW: I can not install nvidia-glx because my modem(lucent) is not working in ubuntu yet
[02:08] <conekg> do you know how can I get kernel headers witout using apt
[02:09] <Deft> conekg, you could just download the package straight from the archive
[02:09] <Deft> same with nvidia-glx for that matter
[02:09] <conekg> what is the url?
[02:09] <conekg> of the archive?
[02:10] <Deft> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/
[02:10] <conekg> thanx
[02:14] <axe9> >:(
[02:14] <axe9> I rebooted
[02:14] <axe9> the grub loading screen came up
[02:14] <axe9> then
[02:14] <Deft> you said
 axe9, no!
 lol too late
 you need to run sudo install-grub /dev/hda before the ...
[02:15] <Deft> anyway, do that now
[02:16] <axe9> Booting 'WinXP'Map   (hd1) (hd0)Map    (hd0) (hd1)   rootnoverify (hd1,1)  chainloaded +1  NTLDR id missing press ctrl alt del to restart
[02:16] <axe9> :|
[02:16] <axe9> ?
[02:17] <Hrdwr_BoB> axe9, looks like it's broken
[02:17] <Hrdwr_BoB> needs NTLDR in the root 
[02:18] <reformed> Ahhh...
[02:18] <reformed> I've had this.
[02:18] <Deft> crazy, someone who knows: is the root the real one, or the post-map one?
[02:18] <reformed> Seems Ubunto likes destroying the MBR regardless of what you say.
[02:18] <Kamion> "Ubuntu" :-)
[02:18] <reformed> It's been a long day.
[02:18] <reformed> :)
[02:18] <Kamion> reformed: if you have another operating system on the disk, it should ask
[02:19] <Kamion> reformed: if it doesn't or if it doesn't honour the answer, that's a bug, so please file it ...
[02:19] <axe9> I found out how to boot windows
[02:19] <axe9> BUT
[02:19] <axe9> It doesn't work...
[02:19] <axe9> when the grub loading screen came up, I hit esc
[02:19] <axe9> and the menu cameup
[02:19] <axe9> there was:
[02:19] <reformed> Oh, it does, it just ignores the option it seems.  I'm going to file a bug for it when I get some time (work takes all my time).
[02:20] <axe9> WinXP
[02:20] <axe9> Ubuntu Kernal
[02:20] <Kamion> mdz: seems to correctly not install pcmcia-cs on a desktop
[02:20] <jordi> kernel, kernel :)
[02:20] <jordi> good night folks.
[02:20] <tseng> jdub: ping
[02:20] <axe9> Unbuntu Kernal (repair)
[02:20] <jordi> aww, so many typos
[02:20] <axe9> Windows
[02:20] <axe9> No
[02:20] <axe9> now*
[02:20] <axe9> I tried both WinXP, and the windows one
[02:21] <axe9> both failed
[02:21] <axe9> Any insight?
[02:23] <jeedee> If anyone experienced a grub bug (Freeze at Loading Stage ...) please let me know
[02:23] <keifer> hey, if I patch sources.list to point to the SID repository, and then update, would I have sids, or ubuntu?
[02:24] <keifer> (read as, would I screw up my system) :P
[02:24] <Hrdwr_BoB> quite likely
[02:24] <Hrdwr_BoB> it's not recommended to use debian debs in ubuntu
[02:24] <keifer> ok
[02:25] <mdz> if you wait a few weeks, after the release we'll have hot fresh updates from sid
[02:25] <Hrdwr_BoB> with jam centres
[02:26] <jeedee> I wish I could boot into ubuntu but for some reason grub refuses to work, it just hangs at Loading stage with no apparent errors
[02:26] <axe9> ARGH!
[02:26] <keifer> to be honest, I'm in ubuntu because I couldn't get the debian installer to work. I'm tring to figure out a way to migrate back to deb.
[02:27] <schweeb> jeedee: do you have an XFS /boot?
[02:27] <Cardador> axe9: i think it is a common bug that happens oftenly, somehow the partition table gets messed up and winxp cannot boot
[02:27] <Miichael> did you try the new testing deb installer?
[02:28] <jeedee> Nope, everything standard (ext3, ect.) The only thing that might cause a problem is that im installing on the same hd as windows
[02:28] <jeedee> What version of grub is included in ubuntu?
[02:28] <keifer> I grabed the 1rc installer
[02:28] <reformed> axe9:  Logging something in bugzilla for it now
[02:29] <reformed> axe9:  can you add your grub config files as an example?
[02:29] <Miichael> http://www.linuxbeta.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=59&slide=1
[02:29] <Miichael> thats a nice slideshow of installing debian
[02:29] <Kamion> jeedee:       grub | 0.95+cvs20040624-3ubuntu15 |         warty | source, amd64, i386
[02:30] <jeedee> thank you
[02:30] <Cardador> axe9: try changing from the geometry of your hard disk on your pc bios from auto to LBA 
[02:30] <axe9> ah...
[02:30] <jeedee> whats wrong axe9?
[02:33] <jeedee> I guess there would be a way to install another grub version before ubuntu then install it without bootloader
[02:34] <axe9> back
[02:35] <jeedee> Are you having a grub-related problem axe9
[02:35] <reformed> Same things happens with lilo.
[02:35] <axe9> Yeah
[02:35] <axe9> I think...
[02:35] <jeedee> What kind of problem
[02:35] <axe9> Ok, here's the story
[02:36] <axe9> I installed Ubuntu on an old harddrive
[02:36] <axe9> WinXP is on another drive, on a sepparate partition
[02:37] <axe9> And now, I can't boot XP
[02:37] <jeedee> mmm
[02:37] <jeedee> Any errors?
[02:37] <axe9> nope, no errors
[02:37] <Cardador> black screen?
[02:37] <axe9> just goes striat to Ubuntu is all
[02:37] <axe9> strait*
[02:37] <axe9> Also, when it says to hit escape for the menu, I can
[02:37] <axe9> I do
[02:38] <axe9> And it shows windows but doens' tlet me boot :\
[02:38] <axe9> I mean, it throws an error
[02:38] <jeedee> What does your grub conf looks like
[02:39] <axe9> one sek
[02:39] <axe9> crap >.>
[02:39] <axe9> I forgot towrite down the command...
[02:39] <jeedee> I wish I could get into either windows or ubuntu after installing grub from the installer lol
[02:40] <Kamion> mdz: latest patch to #1337 includes bootloader configuration changes
[02:40] <axe9> ?
[02:41] <axe9> Jeedee
[02:41] <mdz> Kamion: looks good to me
[02:41] <axe9> You want me to send itto you?
[02:41] <axe9> Pasting it here would be too much...
[02:41] <jeedee> yes
[02:42] <jeedee> pm it
[02:42] <axe9> k
[02:42] <mdz> Kamion: if uploaded now, we could roll a test CD tomorrow with this and the pcmcia-cs changes, right?
[02:42] <mdz> or did we miss the daily d-i build already?
[02:42] <axe9> ?
[02:43] <axe9> you get it?
[02:43] <lamont> mdz: daily d-i build is at 0605 BST
[02:43] <mdz> lamont: thanks, should be plenty of time then
[02:43] <jeedee> yes hold on
[02:43] <jeedee> if you guy update the grub version let me know :)
[02:44] <mdz> jeedee: is your problem known to be fixed in a newer grub?
[02:44] <jeedee> It looks like it
[02:44] <Kamion> mdz: can I also add acpi-modules to amd64 while I'm at it?
[02:44] <Kamion> I was about to file a bug about that
[02:44] <mdz> jeedee: please file a bug with the details of the problem and in which version it is fixed
[02:45] <Kamion> it needs to be in the initrds
[02:45] <mdz> Kamion: certainly
[02:45] <reformed> mdz: updated #1532
[02:45] <jeedee> Ok :) Meanwhile I might just overwrite the install grub with a livecd one
[02:45] <mdz> reformed: thanks
[02:46] <Kamion> mdz: OK, starting uploads now
[02:47] <mdz> Kamion: so does the daily CD build use the d-i build done earlier that day?  or one that you've blessed?
[02:48] <Kamion> mdz: it uses the daily build at the moment
[02:48] <mdz> oh
[02:48] <Kamion> mdz: but it relies on elmo being awake to byhand it, so it's usually the previous day's build
[02:48] <mdz> ah
[02:50] <tseng> mdz: can you help me with a development question
[02:50] <tseng> im working through the new maint guide
[02:50] <mdz> tseng: if it's not specific to ubuntu, #debian-devel is probably a better place
[02:51] <tseng> it might be.. the bit of bash in the guide to strace the configure script and parse out depends seems to not work as expected
[02:51] <tseng> i get alot of extraneous stuff
[02:52] <Kamion> tseng: does dpkg-depcheck help?
[02:52] <tseng> Kamion: will try
[02:53] <minghua> hi, I seem to have a problem with gksudo
[02:53] <minghua> I have ubuntu powerpc on my ibook
[02:53] <minghua> and updated to newest packages
[02:54] <minghua> now the first time I use gnome menu for some administrative job
[02:54] <minghua> say network-admin
[02:54] <tseng> Kamion: thats much better, thank you.
[02:54] <minghua> a dialog pops up asking for my password, and things work fine
[02:54] <minghua> but the second time I run something that is done by gksudo
[02:55] <minghua> it doesn't ask for password (which is good) but take a long time (~ 30 seconds) to activate
[02:55] <minghua> actually the app launches fine (the UI appears)
[02:56] <minghua> but the mouse is in ``busy'' status, and I can't do anything that needs root previledge
[02:56] <minghua> like activate an network device
[02:56] <pills> just did an apt-get upgrade and restarted, now my root password sdoesnt work...
[02:57] <minghua> I can reproduce this, and it doesn't seem to be related to the app you are trying to run
[02:58] <minghua> the second (and later) time you run something with gksudo, it hangs for a while
[02:58] <minghua> but works eventually
[02:58] <minghua> is this a known problem?
[02:58] <minghua> I didn't find anything in bugzilla
[03:17] <axe9dotcom> AAAAAAARGHHH!!!!!!!!
[03:17] <axe9dotcom> Ok, if I switch the relation between my hard drives, will my system boot from the maSTER
[03:18] <axe9dotcom> drive*
[03:18] <Hrdwr_BoB> should do, yes
[03:25] <yojimbo-san> how do I change the GRUB options used to boot? I need to add 'nolapic' to them ... and I've only used lilo before
[03:26] <chutwig> edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:27] <yojimbo-san> thanks chutwig. Is that file consulted dynamically?
[03:27] <pills> has or is anyone us using ndiswrapper?
[03:27] <Hrdwr_BoB> yojimbo-san, yes
[03:27] <chutwig> yojimbo-san: yeah, no need to rerun grub or anything
[03:27] <yojimbo-san> thanks :-)
[03:36] <schweeb> omg
[03:36] <schweeb> fucking hilarious
[03:36] <schweeb> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2004-September/msg00062.html
[03:36] <schweeb> go go RMS
[03:37] <yojimbo-san> I'd cheer RMS wholeheartedly if it wasn't for GNUFDL ... :-)
[03:37] <schweeb> I'm not a fan of the forced "GNU/" prefix
[03:38] <Hrdwr_BoB> yes
[03:38] <Hrdwr_BoB> me either
[03:38] <treyh0> If the project followed this philosophy
[03:38] <treyh0> completely, I would say it was great.
[03:38] <treyh0> heh
[03:39] <JStrike> Miguel didn't reply i see. He had an interesting reply at hand. He should have sent it
[03:39] <Hrdwr_BoB> it's like saying "it should be called GNU/XFree/john/bob/scott/james/ron/linux"
[03:39] <schweeb> the first thing I do on every Debian system I install is remove "GNU/" from /etc/issue
[03:39] <yojimbo-san> lol
[03:39] <schweeb> and rm /etc/motd
[03:39] <schweeb> Hrdwr_BoB: EXACTLY
[03:39] <yojimbo-san> I figlet the machinename into motd, to remind me which server I'm connected to ... :-)
[03:40] <jamesh> I wouldn't object to having my name as part of the distro name
[03:40] <jamesh> :)
[03:40] <Hrdwr_BoB> I mean.. in terms of the desktop, Xfree is just as essential if not more so than gnu tools
[03:40] <jamesh> Hrdwr_BoB: well, every process on your system has some GNU code loaded in it ...
[03:41] <yojimbo-san> AFAIK, the amount of actual GNU project software in the distribution is small - the amount of GPL software is huge, however I don't think FSF/GNU should be claiming them.
[03:41] <stratus> jamesh, maybe he's planning to remove it too.
[03:41] <stratus> jamesh, they call him bsd user. :)
[03:41] <jamesh> it doesn't matter for Ubuntu though, because Ubuntu is Ubuntu
[03:42] <Hrdwr_BoB> jamesh, yeah, but you can't have your cake and eat it too
[03:42] <schweeb> yojimbo-san: eh, there's the whole GNU toolchain
[03:42] <schweeb> grep, ls, gcc, g++, etc etc etc
[03:42] <yojimbo-san> schweeb: yep, there's the build tools, but they're not usually *used* by a desktop user
[03:42] <yojimbo-san> and I do my code work in perl/python ... :-)
[03:43] <schweeb> heh
[03:43] <schweeb> when I actually code, I use perl or C#
[03:43] <stratus> perl and python? both coded in C
[03:44] <yojimbo-san> stratus: Indeed - but as a *user* I don't have to use GNU project tools ...
[03:44] <yojimbo-san> And if it was compiled on an Intel box should that be Intel/GNU/Linux?
[03:44] <yojimbo-san> :-)
[03:44] <stratus> yojimbo-san, right
[03:45] <stratus> are you using kde?
[03:45] <yojimbo-san> nope
[03:45] <stratus> gnome?
[03:45] <stratus> http://www.gnome.org/about/
[03:45] <yojimbo-san> I've just loaded Ubunto in the last 30 mins for the forst time ...
[03:45] <stratus> wow
[03:45] <yojimbo-san> Oh, yep, I see what you mean ...
[03:45] <stratus> deja vu
[03:45] <stratus> I've loaded that url on my browser and come back here and wow deja vu.
[03:46] <stratus> yojimbo-san, back on the subject np but you're using GNU tools in a way or another.
[03:47] <yojimbo-san> Well, yes I am (I also choose to use some GNU project tools)
[03:47] <stratus> :)
[03:48] <yojimbo-san> but I also use a huge set of non-GNU stuff.
[03:48] <burnboy> does anyone know anything about NTFS support .. and is 2.6.8.1-2-386 current kernel .. i heard something about NTFS support in 2.6.9..
[03:48] <yojimbo-san> I believe that I use more non-GNU stuff, but allow that the GNU tools are *essential*
[03:48] <stratus> yojimbo-san, i see.
[03:50] <yojimbo-san> I still haven't figured out how to make a program "A GNU project" - it's not the name (gnuplot, anyone) or the license (there are non-GPL gnu project programs, according to their webpage). And I certainly don't know how to make RMS happy :-)
[03:51] <linux_mafia> yojimbo-san, call it GNU/linux
[03:51] <yojimbo-san> "then we'll be free, hackers, we'll be free" ...
[03:51] <Hrdwr_BoB> I am going to build a program with an IBM compiler
[03:51] <stratus> yojimbo-san, it isn't so easy but if you want you can start with a project at savannah.
[03:51] <Hrdwr_BoB> and I call it IBM/helloworld
[03:52] <yojimbo-san> Well, I don't have any projects that are really worthwhile release :-(
[03:52] <linux_mafia> write the linux drivers for usb powered sex toys
[03:52] <yojimbo-san> linux_mafia, shouldn't your handle be GNULinux_mafia? :-)
[03:53] <linux_mafia> yojimbo-san, haha
[03:53] <bolivar> UGH!
[03:53] <hayter> Can someone tell me how to recompile the kernel? I don't it direct rendering was enabled in the stock kernel.
[03:54] <mdz> hayter: it is enabled in the stock kernel
[03:54] <hayter> Well I got fglrx installed and currently it fails to launch the direct rendering module.
[03:55] <mdz> fglrx installed from where?
[03:55] <hayter> n/m I found out I have to run the ATI module generator.
[03:56] <hayter> How do I get the kernel source?
[03:56] <mdz> you don't need the kernel source if what you want is fglrx
[03:57] <hayter> kernel includes at /usr/src/linux/include not found or incomplete
[03:57] <hayter> file: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h
[03:57] <mdz> it'll be installed by default in about an hour :-)
[03:57] <hayter> there is no /usr/src/linux
[03:58] <mdz> hayter: if you can wait a little while, I'd appreciate if you would test the pre-built driver
[04:02] <tbone> mdz: I have an ATI remote wonder hooked up to this machine.  Randomly the machine will hang during boot when usb.rc tries to initialize the remote.  What can I send you to help debug it?
[04:03] <mdz> tbone: you're using the driver from gatos.sourceforge.net?
[04:03] <mdz> or is there one in 2.6 new?
[04:03] <mdz> now
[04:03] <tseng> its in 2.6
[04:04] <tseng> acts as an input device
[04:04] <tbone> ya, whatever is there by default
[04:04] <tbone> it moved the mouse when it doesn't hang the boot
[04:04] <tbone> hangs maybe one out of 3 or 4 boots
[04:05] <mdz> I have a box with one of those remotes, but it's on 2.4 using ati_remote from gatos
[04:05] <mdz> it also needs lirc, which is why it isn't running 2.6 yet
[04:05] <mdz> tbone: nothing on the console when it hangs?
[04:05] <mdz> tbone: probably best would be to get a task dump using magic sysrq
[04:06] <tbone> I'll try that....are logs from previous boots stored anywhere?  my only option when the boot hangs is to power cycle....unless magic sysrq works, I forgot about that actually
[04:08] <tbone> and there is data on the console when it hangs....I've seen I think two versions of the hang....but it happens in approximately the same place each time
[04:10] <tbone> oh and congrats to all the devs on a nice package....best gnome distro I've seen yet
[04:11] <mdz> tbone: the trouble with magic sysrq is that you'll need to write down the data by hand, unless you have a serial console setup
[04:11] <mdz> tbone: if there are messages on the console when it hangs, those would help
[04:11] <mdz> tbone: and thanks :-)
[04:11] <Hrdwr_BoB> mdz:or use a digicam :)
[04:11] <mdz> good idea, if you can read the text
[04:12] <mdz> tbone: anyway, if you can get some hard data about the hang, file a bug
[04:12] <tbone> ok, I'll do my best
[04:12] <tbone> I love my remote
[04:15] <tbone> oh, another quick question:  I'm currently running the 386 kernel that's installed by default and I've installed the nvidia-glx package....that's running fine...
[04:15] <tbone> will I have to reinstall nvidia-glx if I install the k7 kernel package?
[04:16] <tbone> or are there any noticeable improvements between the two kernels?
[04:16] <MrJ412> :-( just tried installing ubuntu, i now get grub Error 21 on boot ... anyone else seen this?
[04:17] <Se7h> MrJ412 what does it sais more besides that ?
[04:17] <Se7h> need a movieplayer!!
[04:17] <MrJ412> GRUB loading stage 1.5.   then   Grub loading, please wait ... then Error 21
[04:18] <treyh0> so im basically screwed if i removed /etc/X11/XF86Config-4?
[04:18] <treyh0> dpkg-reconfigure doesnt regenerate it :(
[04:18] <Se7h> MrJ412 is it after trying to boot the kernel ?
[04:18] <hayter> About grub...is there a way to make it automatically load the menu?
[04:18] <MrJ412> worked wonderfully on my test box, and just replaced a fedora install on the machine i am getting the error ... grub was there before
[04:19] <mdz> hayter: comment out hiddenmenu in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:19] <MrJ412> Se7h, no, before ... that's all i get
[04:19] <Se7h> so, no kernel is loaded
[04:19] <Se7h> try to edit grub.conf
[04:19] <MrJ412> Se7h, nope
[04:20] <MrJ412> Se7h, i'll get in and check it now
[04:20] <Se7h> when entering grub
[04:20] <Se7h> press 'e' likle its sais
[04:20] <jdub> tseng: pong
[04:20] <hayter> Do I have to run grub after editing menu.lst?
[04:21] <jsc> no
[04:21] <jsc> its not like lilo
[04:21] <hayter> kk thanks
[04:21] <hayter> yeah I'm more used to lilo :(
[04:24] <tbone> if I install the k7 kernel will an entry be created in the grub menu alongside the default 386 kernel?
[04:24] <MrJ412> Se7h, don't even get that far ... loaded a rescue disk ... the config looks fine
[04:24] <Se7h> but what happens when booting from hdd ?
[04:24] <Se7h> like
[04:25] <Se7h> grub loading. please wait...
[04:25] <MrJ412> then next line 'Error 21'
[04:25] <MrJ412> and thats it
[04:25] <Se7h> oh
[04:25] <Se7h> so the error is trying to boot grub
[04:25] <Se7h> hmm
[04:26] <Se7h> its probably a bad compiled grub
[04:26] <hayter> Owie there isn't a kernel-source-2.6.8 in the repository.
[04:27] <tbone> linux-source-* will get you what you're looking for
[04:27] <hayter> thanks
[04:30] <gxwalk> hello
[04:31] <gxwalk> how do u get dvd play
[04:32] <matt2> i told u i was hardcore
[04:32] <tseng> jdub: oh hiya
[04:32] <tseng> jdub: i got a "working" package, i see there is a request in debian bugz
[04:32] <tseng> jdub: its still a little goofy, ill work on it tommorow..
[04:34] <jdub> hey tseng :)
[04:34] <hello> what package do i need to play quicktime files in mozilla
[04:34] <hello> (firefox)
[04:36] <chutwig> hello.jpg
[04:36] <hello> hej hej
[04:36] <tory> o wops
[04:36] <chutwig> i wonder why totem-gstreamer is the default, it can't really play much of anything
[04:37] <chutwig> i had to replace it with totem-xime
[04:37] <chutwig> xine, too
[04:37] <tory> I replaced it with totem-xine too
[04:38] <linux_mafia> chutwig, because it is a preview release, and they are trying to make things work
[04:39] <chutwig> at this point i'm about ready to kick that computer out the window
[04:39] <tory> linux_mafia: it's pretty awesome for a preview release :)
[04:39] <chutwig> yeah, it's all in good order for me
[04:39] <chutwig> it's just on a really shitty computer
[04:40] <linux_mafia> im on a vic 20
[04:41] <bolivar> and the com 64
[04:41] <bolivar> lol
[04:42] <WW> Hey there, I saw a few comments in the mailing list archive about the "dead.letter" file in /.  Can I just delete this?
[04:43] <jdub> WW: yes
[04:43] <jdub> chutwig: legal issues shipping xine/mplayer/etc
[04:43] <chutwig> ah
[04:44] <Se7h> HrdwrBoB / Hrdwr_BoB
[04:44] <theantix> I've been running Ubuntu full time for a few days now, and it's been wonderfully stable.  Quite impressed for such an early release to be this polished.  Good work, developers!  =)
[04:47] <WW> jdub: thansk
[04:47] <WW> (thansk is Danish slang for thanks)
[04:47] <WW> :)
[04:47] <jdub> ;)
[04:48] <treyh0> where do i get the option to select LCD when configuring xserver-xfree86? :(
[04:52] <yojimbo-san> I'm beginning to miss a load of apps from Sarge/Sid ... I see there's a warning against mixing repositories on the website, but I should be OK, shouldn't I?
[04:52] <stratus> your mileage may vary
[04:52] <linux_mafia> yojimbo-san, like what?
[04:53] <chutwig> you should be able to get most everything out of universe
[04:53] <yojimbo-san> OK, where do I find out about universe? apps like bzflag :-), automount, most, keychain ...
[04:57] <chutwig> yojimbo-san: uncomment the universe lines in /etc/apt/sources.list and run apt-get update
[04:57] <tbone> I just installed the k7 kernel and it boots ok, but it appears that the nvidia-glx package isn't compatible?
[04:57] <chutwig> yeah, you need the nvidia package that matches the kernel version exactly
[04:58] <tbone> I don't see one in the warty repos
[04:59] <yojimbo-san> chutwig, thanks. Looks like what I need is there :-)
[05:01] <vauge> hello all, was checkin out ubuntu site. I am a little confused. Is this debian with timed releases?
[05:01] <chutwig> ssh was in main for me
[05:01] <jdub> yojimbo-san: openssh-server
[05:02] <jdub> vauge: that's part of it, yes
[05:02] <yojimbo-san> yep, sorry, got confused, all happy now :-)
[05:02] <vauge> what else is unique about ubuntu?
[05:02] <sladen> vauge: effectively Debian/sid (unstable) with fixed releases every six months to conincide with GNOME stable releases
[05:02] <jdub> vauge: different community structure, synced to gnome releases, different focus, etc.
[05:04] <Slackeerb> is Ubuntu more for gnome, and haveing the lastest gnome software? I like gnome alot. Right now im on mandrake and im useing gnome 2.6. heh
[05:04] <vauge> ahh, sounds cool. 
[05:05] <vauge> what about questionable open source like mplayer and the like...
[05:05] <jdub> vauge: patent and license violation
[05:07] <cc> jdub: is macromedia stuff making it into ubuntu?
[05:07] <cc> like Flash Player 7
[05:08] <jdub> cc: not at this stage, no
[05:08] <jdub> though the latest release of firefox will download it
[05:08] <cc> jdub: ok. btw, go ahead and propose acceptance of your "aware" on linux-aus
[05:08] <jdub> cc: hrm?
[05:08] <cc> yes, it will do that. just wanted to see if there'll be a package or not
[05:09] <cc> jdub: read linux-aus. you're proposed for inclusion as an important aussie hacker
[05:09] <Slackeerb> how easy is it to install java on Ubuntu? *newbness*
[05:09] <jdub> Slackeerb: there's an item about this in the faq
[05:09] <jdub> cc: oh
[05:10] <jg_> hi jdub
[05:10] <jdub> oh, hey jg_ 
[05:10] <Slackeerb> jdub: cool. Im downloading the warty.iso =).
[05:10] <jdub> Slackeerb: have fun :)
[05:11] <jg_> jdub: I tried to do an install this afternoon before I went home.
[05:11] <jg_> It complained trying to install vim, and stopped.
[05:11] <jg_> had to go home at that point.
[05:11] <jdub> ouhc, not good
[05:12] <jdub> were you able to check the disk integrity?
[05:12] <Slackeerb> jdub: i'll try my best. =). The Nbuntu philosophy is great.
[05:12] <dieman> heh.  my mac friend tried to burn the cd and his cd burnng app 'horked' on the cd, dissapearing without an error
[05:12] <hornbeck> is there a reason the fglrx driver is not showing up in apt?
[05:12] <jg_> jdub: I'd downloaded the iso via bittorrent; didn't verify.  I'll do that tomorrow.
[05:13] <jdub> jg_: did you burn the cd from linux or something else?
[05:13] <jg_> jdub: xcdroast on Linux.
[05:13] <jdub> ok (there have been some problems with cds burned on other platforms)
[05:14] <jg_> presumably there are checksums I can check tomorrow.
[05:15] <jdub> mmm, the md5sum is on the download site, and the CD will check itself too
[05:15] <MrJ412> Se7h, yah ... just did an expert install, and used lilo ... it works fine ... weird
[05:15] <Se7h> ;)
[05:16] <Se7h> y
[05:16] <Se7h> probably some problem compiling grub
[05:16] <Se7h> it happends
[05:16] <Se7h> it happens
[05:19] <burnboy> is there a firewall enabled automatically in ubuntu after installation?
[05:20] <Slackeerb> well everyone goodnight. I look forward to installing ubuntu tomarrow!
[05:20] <thaytan> jdub: got around to installing the preview CD on jaime's laptop last night
[05:21] <thaytan> I've got a bunch of bugs to file, but it got too late last night
[05:21] <jdub> thaytan: how'd it go?
[05:21] <thaytan> generally ok
[05:21] <thaytan> it didn't detect the touchscreen though
[05:21] <jdub> heh
[05:21] <thaytan> also, it didn't recognise the existing winXP partition as a bootable item when setting up grub
[05:22] <thaytan> and got the wrong screen refresh parameters, so only did 1024x768
[05:22] <theantix> is hal supposed to recognize a pcmcia-based flash card reader?  It just sits as /dev/hde1 and doesn't create any /media/ entries
[05:23] <thaytan> oh, and the 2200BG wireless doesn't work, was the other big one
[05:23] <jdub> thaytan: might be good to try a recent daily
[05:23] <jdub> theantix: is it listed in the device manager?
[05:24] <yojimbo-san> burnboy - no, the iptables are not configured by default.
[05:24] <theantix> I don't think so, but I'm not 100% sure (there are a lot of entries there)
[05:25] <yojimbo-san> burnboy: but firehol is available from universe, that might help you with iptables if you need it.
[05:26] <subterrific> or firestarter
[05:26] <thaytan> jdub: url?
[05:26] <bad_ronald> Does anyone know where the link to the "File Type and Programs" preference tool is?... on Gnome's website is says it should be at Apps -> Desktop Preferences -> Advanced ->[] 
[05:27] <jdub> thaytan: cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily/ -> you can rsync too, which will be better
[05:27] <theantix> jdub, I found it in the device manager, yes
[05:27] <bad_ronald> I want to make xmms open music files
[05:27] <WW> Hey, I am filing a (trivial) bug report.  What is the meaning of the Priority selection? (P1-P5)
[05:28] <jdub> theantix: do you have a usb drive or something else that works?
[05:28] <subterrific> bad_ronald: i think it is missing from the menu. there are a few apps that are missing in the ubuntu preview release
[05:28] <jdub> WW: it's ignored atm
[05:28] <WW> jdub: OK
[05:28] <theantix> yes, and that loads fine -- the problem is only with the pcmcia card reader
[05:28] <jdub> WW: you shouldn't change any of those when filing a new report
[05:28] <thaytan> jdub: is there a netboot image? the tablet has no CD-ROM, remember
[05:28] <bad_ronald> ah, is there any way to modify the mime type for mp3's and ogg's then?
[05:28] <thaytan> a daily netboot image, I mean
[05:28] <jdub> theantix: ok, compare the device manager entries between the two
[05:29] <subterrific> bad_ronald: right click on an mp3/ogg file
[05:29] <jdub> thaytan: um...
[05:29] <subterrific> go to properties
[05:29] <subterrific> Open With
[05:29] <wm_eddie> Anyone else having trouble using gnome-su?
[05:29] <bad_ronald> I did that, but it won't let me deselect 
[05:29] <bad_ronald> totem
[05:30] <jdub> thaytan: no, but if you're using that, it shouldn't matter
[05:31] <subterrific> bad_ronald: not sure, could be a bug
[05:31] <bad_ronald> can I sudo from the CLI to fix it?
[05:33] <bad_ronald> ...maybe not, it says I have rw permissions and am the owner...
[05:33] <theantix> jdub, my kernel just shut down the IRQ needed for USB, will report the differences when I return
[05:33] <subterrific> bad_ronald: it works on my gentoo box that is running gnome 2.8, so it must be a ubuntu bug
[05:40] <thaytan> jdub: shouldn't matter because it will fetch everything interesting anyway?
[05:41] <dieman> ye old power company passed through a dip/surge today
[05:41] <dieman> grr
[05:41] <dieman> i think they took out my wife's computer's power supply
[05:42] <theantix> jdub, how should I report the differences between the usb and pcmcia card readers?
[05:42] <jdub> thaytan: yeah
[05:42] <jdub> theantix: bug report?
[05:42] <theantix> right, but how do I dump the output from the device manager?
[05:45] <dieman> hrm, and my tivo rebooted too
[05:45] <dieman> so every box in the house rebooted but my firewall (!? old compaq pentium box)
[05:46] <dieman> and i lost the newest power supply in the house
[05:46] <dieman> grr
[05:46] <dieman> thats like power supply #3 or 4 for that machine.
[05:46] <dieman> its unlucky
[05:57] <fabbione> morning guys
[06:00] <phlaegel> is there anywhere to report broken stuff in universe?
[06:02] <theantix> ah, you can use lshal to report problems with hal... very nice =)
[06:07] <WX> hi
[06:07] <WX> mplayer in ubuntu? packages?
[06:07] <aitrus> maybe there should be an mp3/dvd entry in the faq on ubuntulinux.org... =)
[06:07] <Hrdwr_BoB> WX, google for marillat
[06:08] <theantix> aitrus, there is one
[06:08] <aitrus> i suck
[06:08] <aitrus> =)
[06:09] <sladen> tp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386
[06:15] <WX> hmm
[06:15] <WX> still a bunch of requirements
[06:20] <pills> anybody use ndiswrapper?
[06:21] <theantix> pills, I've used it before, though not on Ubutnu -- maybe I can help anyhow
[06:22] <pills> well im using this Belkin wireless pcmcia card...suppose to work with orinico and atmel...it sees the accesspoint fine, but cant contact the dhcp server(it automatically gets the essid, channel, etc) ive tried dhclient and it doesnt find anything...so ndiswrapper i think is my last resort
[06:23] <theantix> pills, you sure you don't need a key?
[06:23] <pills> i feed it the wepkey
[06:23] <pills> through hex and passphrase
[06:23] <pills> still nothing
[06:24] <dieman> heh
[06:24] <dieman> turns out the surge supressor did its thing and one of the sockets burnt out
[06:25] <brainpicnic> Okay, so the synaptic package list view is blank, but the packages are there, any ideas?
[06:25] <theantix> pills, did you use iwconfig or via /etc/network/interfaces ?
[06:25] <dieman> gonna pop it open and see if its nasty inside
[06:25] <sladen> pills: I think your driver is probably working perfectly!
[06:25] <pills> iwconfig
[06:25] <sladen> pills: I just expect you have a configuration problem
[06:25] <pills> i hope so sladen...i cant figur eit out tho
[06:26] <sladen> pills: you can see the access point, it's even got the essid.  Does that make it seem like it is working
[06:26] <sladen> pills: you've mentioned that you're using a WEP key
[06:26] <pills> yeah it seems like it should be
[06:26] <pills> yeah
[06:26] <sladen> pills: how did you set the key ?
[06:26] <subterrific> brainpicnic: do you have the right view selected?
[06:27] <pills> first i used
[06:27] <subterrific> brainpicnic: it should be: Sections
[06:27] <pills> iwconfig eth0 key s:passphrase
[06:27] <theantix> I had luck setting the wireless_essid and wireless_key in /etc/network/interfaces
[06:27] <pills> and i tried
[06:27] <pills> iwconfig eth0 key hex
[06:27] <brainpicnic> yeah, it list them all
[06:27] <brainpicnic> all the sections no packages
[06:28] <brainpicnic> I know they are there
[06:28] <brainpicnic> cause I can update "all" and do it
[06:29] <brainpicnic> this started after I went into the preferences looking for putting S. in the tray like someone suggested
[06:29] <brainpicnic> so it could watch for updates
[06:29] <brainpicnic> didn't find that either
[06:30] <subterrific> no idea man :(
[06:30] <pills> theantix how did u set it in interfaces?
[06:30] <brainpicnic> Now I just crashed it by looking for a font in the prefs
[06:30] <subterrific> unless you turned off all the repositories or something weird like that
[06:31] <brainpicnic> geez!
[06:34] <brainpicnic> on the status baR it shows 2222 packages, 938 intalled, 0 broken, 0 to install, 0 to whatever
[06:35] <brainpicnic> btw, since Hal keeps putting up error messages can it be removed safely?
[06:35] <justdave> ok, trying some experiments to get this dpg4 to boot...
[06:36] <justdave> it was requested of me to try installing the smp kernel...
[06:36] <justdave> which isn't on the CD
[06:36] <justdave> so I booted the installer far enough to get the drive mounted
[06:36] <pills> theantix: in /etc/network/interfaces  for wireless_key u use plaintext key or hex ?
[06:36] <justdave> chrooted into it, added the online apt repository to sources.list, and used apt-get to grab it from the online repository
[06:37] <justdave> downloaded ok, fails to install with "/usr/bin/mkinitrd: /dev/fd does not exist"
[06:37] <justdave> any suggestions?
[06:38] <subterrific> justdave: is udev running?
[06:38] <justdave> how do I tell?
[06:39] <subterrific> i'm not sure if this would work, but maybe you need to mount -o bind /dev from the booted kernel into the chroot
[06:39] <justdave> ok, tried to do ps, and it said "error: do this:" with instructions to mount the /proc filesystem
[06:39] <justdave> after doing that I tried the install again and it worked
[06:39] <subterrific> yeah, you'll need to mount -o bind /proc too
[06:42] <justdave> after hitting "l" at the stage 1 yaboot prompt, I just get a gray screen, and it appears to be hung.
[06:42] <Slackeerb> what do i use to burn the warty.iso?
[06:43] <justdave> Slackeerb: what OS are you on now?
[06:43] <Slackeerb> linux
[06:43] <Slackeerb> mandrake 10.1
[06:43] <ish> Anyone know if 2.6.8 introduced apm issues?  Prior to installing ubuntu I was using mandrake with 2.6.3.. APM wasn't perfect but at least my machine didn't freeze.
[06:43] <justdave> cdrecord from the command line will probably work.  If you have a new enough version of nautilus, you can right-click on the iso icon and choose Burn, too.
[06:44] <Slackeerb> ahh i right cliked it. kick ass. i didnt know it was that easy lol. thx
[06:45] <Slackeerb> good night (again) heh. Cya guys tomarrow on ubuntu ;).
[06:46] <toyowheelin> same here
[06:46] <toyowheelin> :)
[06:46] <toyowheelin> bed time
[06:47] <justdave> ybin did complain about the kernel being too old.
[06:47] <justdave> wonder if I have to use the ybin on the cd instead of the installed one
[06:47] <subterrific> ish: 2.6.8 seems to not be the most stable kernel. i'm having issues with a desktop at work that gets so slow that typing a 4 letter word takes 5 minutes
[06:48] <subterrific> when i came into work this morning, the machine seemed frozen, and it took about 30 seconds for top to run
[06:49] <subterrific> and top was showing negative numbers for CPU usage
[06:50] <Netwolf> does ubuntu plan to release optimized binaries?
[06:50] <subterrific> i've had a bunch of issues with usb devices too. hard drives failing to copy files, mice stop working. i'm sure it will all get ironed out soon though :)
[06:50] <Netwolf> with optimized kernels (ck-patch)?
[06:50] <ish> Anyone know if issues with kernel.org kernels on ubuntu?
[06:50] <jdub> Netwolf: the binaries are built for i486, tuned for p4.
[06:51] <jdub> Netwolf: shipping unstable kernels is not really on the plan. :)
[06:51] <Netwolf> I ran ubuntu on machine where I've been running Gentoo. ubuntu's about 60% slower (read: less snappier) than the binaries for gentoo
[06:51] <Netwolf> this is purely an observation I've found
[06:51] <subterrific> ish: do the kernel.org kernel's have squashfs? you definitely need that...
[06:51] <sladen> ish: hopefully, you shouldn't find yourself having to recompile kernels---if there's something you need, it would be better to make sure it can go in the stock kernel!
[06:52] <ish> sladen: ACPI vs APM is my problem I think..
[06:52] <ish> I could only get apm to work by building my own kernel without ACPI..
[06:52] <sladen> jdub: I'm doing new images / vectors now
[06:52] <ish> I could be wrong..
[06:52] <Netwolf> jdub: sorry mate, I don't understand how a binary made for i486 is tuned for p4?
[06:52] <Hrdwr_BoB> jdub, I don't think it's a very scientific study :)
[06:52] <ish> But anytime any power management kicks in - fan increase, close the lid, screen display blank my laptop freezes.
[06:52] <Hrdwr_BoB> Netwolf, I don't think you know much about what you're talking about :)
[06:52] <Netwolf> jdub: and top that off, I urge you to try this out yourself. You'll see what I'm talking about
[06:53] <subterrific> jdub: did you know that 73.5% of statistics are made up on the spot?
[06:53] <ish> I've run gentoo on this same machine.. I hardly notice a difference between it, mandrake, debian-unstable or ubuntu..
[06:53] <ish> And I did tweak all the compilation options..
[06:53] <Hrdwr_BoB> Netwolf, have you used lzip? you might be interested
[06:53] <Hrdwr_BoB> you can compress everything to 0
[06:54] <Hrdwr_BoB> http://lzip.sf.net
[06:54] <Netwolf> :)
[06:54] <subterrific> Hrdwr_BoB: i use rm compression for that
[06:54] <subterrific> rm -rf file
[06:54] <Netwolf> trust me mate, when compiling stuff, I do know what I'm doing
[06:54] <sladen> Hrdwr_BoB: I find the kernel's built-in /dev/null compression filter pretty good for that too
[06:54] <Netwolf> in fact the distcc does most cross compiling (sparc -> x86) for me
[06:54] <Netwolf> on this machine
[06:55] <Netwolf> SunOS hell 5.9 Generic_117171-09 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-250
[06:55] <Netwolf> and a 12-way, 8 GB E4500
[06:55] <Netwolf> SunOS leviathan 5.9 Generic_117171-09 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-Enterprise
[06:55] <Netwolf> so, I think I might know  a bit more than some of the other folks
[06:56] <jdub> Netwolf: gcc allows you to build a binary using the instructions of a particular processor, tuned for another processor
[06:56] <Netwolf> nevertheless, I'm really trying to find out whether or not it's ubuntu or it's gentoo's optimized binaries
[06:56] <jdub> so Ubuntu uses i486 instructions, with the binary tuned for p4
[06:57] <justdave> ok, got ybin to run correctly
[06:57] <justdave> smp kernel boots :)
[06:57] <Netwolf> ubuntu's actually really great distro, but I really can't get the snappiness to the desktop which I can with gentoo. (No, this is not a war between distros). I'm sincerely interested to know why
[06:58] <jsc> Netwolf: i use gentoo also and it is just as fast if not faster... IMHO
[06:58] <sladen> Netwolf: I think the least of your worries is the kernel
[06:58] <subterrific> Netwolf: it must be you. i run gentoo on an Althon64 and ubuntu on a much slower P4, and ubuntu seems just as "snappy"
[06:58] <jdub> Netwolf: if you're using 'odd' kernels, that may contribute.
[06:58] <Netwolf> hmm...
[06:59] <sladen> Netwolf: it's the 90%-10% situation
[06:59] <Netwolf> ck-sources (2.6.8.1-smp) vs. ubuntu's 2.6.8.1-i686-smp
[06:59] <Netwolf> I wonder if dma related
[06:59] <subterrific> if you're such a wiz at compiling, the next step is applying that knowledge to profiling. go.
[06:59] <Netwolf> does ubuntu tune dma on ide by default?
[07:00] <sladen> Netwolf: kernel is running <10% of the time.  Kernel is already obtimised for your machine.  There's really not that much you can improve.... compared to say, enable DMA from userspace
[07:00] <subterrific> gprof annnnd go!
[07:00] <Netwolf> :)
[07:00] <Netwolf> btw, any plans on a sparc port?
[07:00] <theantix> pills, sorry about that, my ISP blipped -- did you get what I sent you?
[07:00] <Netwolf> sparc64 specifically?
[07:01] <fabbione> Netwolf: yes...
[07:01] <fabbione> for hoary
[07:01] <fabbione> it's a bit too late for warty
[07:01] <jdub> Netwolf: it won't be supported, though.
[07:01] <sladen> Netwolf: you've clearly got a fast enough (12way) sparc machine there.  Why not compile Ubuntu and try it for yourself
[07:01] <jdub> (at this stage)
[07:02] <Netwolf> ah..great. I'll beta test it
[07:02] <Hrdwr_BoB> Netwolf, if you are using 2.4 under gentoo
[07:02] <Hrdwr_BoB> there is a performance hit for ide disks
[07:02] <jdub> fabbione: i have a 220R, an ultra 5 and an SS10 -> i'll help! ;)
[07:02] <fabbione> Netwolf: you can talk with lamont, if you want to try a warty build on sparc
[07:02] <Netwolf> hrdwr_bob: 2.6.8.1-ck sources on gentoo
[07:03] <fabbione> jdub: follow up on ubuntu-user :-)
[07:03] <fabbione> jdub: you R220 sucks compared to my U60 or my t1 ;)
[07:03] <jdub> fabbione: we'll have to sort out external buildds with lamont :)
[07:03] <jdub> fabbione: :-)
[07:03] <jdub> fabbione: but it's bigger and louder and manlier :-)
[07:03] <jsc> schwing
[07:03] <Netwolf> actually, I have a dual blade-1000 I'm thinking of using as a linux desktop
[07:03] <fabbione> jdub: no. Mark said that if there are enough porter for arch foo he will take care of placing buildd's at the datacenter
[07:04] <fabbione> jdub: true :-)
[07:04] <fabbione> jdub: no external buildd
[07:04] <jdub> invasion of the fabios!
[07:04] <jdub> fabbione: we'll have to at some stage
[07:05] <fabbione> jdub: i don't think so
[07:05] <jdub> i would like to build on my mipsel cluster
[07:05] <fabbione> jdub: we can buy one E10K and that's it
[07:05] <jdub> there's no point in hosting that
[07:05] <jdub> and i can do it all here
[07:05] <fabbione> jdub: eheh well you will have to convice: Mark, elmo, lamont & Co.
[07:05] <jdub> but only if i can run a microbuildd
[07:06] <fabbione> i was the first one on the mailinglist worring about external buildd
[07:06] <fabbione> remember?
[07:06] <jdub> yeah
[07:06] <jdub> i don't think they've ever really understood it ;)
[07:07] <fabbione> jdub: well that goes behiond my problem ;)
[07:07] <fabbione> you can try and talk to them again
[07:07] <fabbione> as soon as i will move to my new house, i will go and get back on the m68k boxes i have in an isp
[07:07] <fabbione> since Debian didn't want them
[07:08] <fabbione> i can start the Ubuntu/m68k port :P
[07:09] <fabbione> i really really miss writing m68k asm
[07:09] <fabbione> i never had so much fun
[07:09] <sladen> gawd, a cycle-accurate emulator running on a hammer box would be faster
[07:09] <fabbione> sladen: i know.. but it's not as much fun as on the real hardware
[07:10] <subterrific> but less than 2.6% of the fun
[07:10] <jdub> subterrific: stop making up statistics!
[07:10] <subterrific> jdub: 49.8% of statistics are....nevermind
[07:11] <sladen> ...are never counted in statistics
[07:11] <subterrific> sladen: exactly
[07:12] <Hrdwr_BoB> our news people like to make up statistics .. apparently 50% of accidents are caused by speed
[07:12] <subterrific> Hrdwr_BoB: the other 50% are caused by slow
[07:12] <jamesh> I just put an SVG version of the Ubuntu logo on the wiki if people need it.
[07:12] <Hrdwr_BoB> heh
[07:12] <Hrdwr_BoB> quite obviously
[07:13] <fabbione> statistically talking a channel with 157 is populated with 0.75% of big fat mofo insane smoking crack people ( = one person = me ), a nice 1.5% of almost insane guys (our release managers), a good 20% of schizo people (the other official developers) and the rest are people attemping to drive more insane the other well-known-percentage
[07:13] <subterrific> this one time i had a wreck with slow, it sucked. i was all in a hurry and it took damn near forever
[07:14] <jamesh> Hrdwr_BoB: the biggest lie they make in the road safety ads is where they imply that there is a linear relationship between speed and stopping distance.
[07:14] <Hrdwr_BoB> jamesh, yeah
[07:14] <justdave> ewwwww
[07:14] <justdave> ok, fabbione, what do you want from me to fix this one? :)
[07:14] <Hrdwr_BoB> well the best bit about this is that WHILE she was saying this she's driving down the street TALKING TO THE CAMERA
[07:14] <justdave> fresh install on the DPG4 (after hacking the kernel so it would boot) and X defaults to 640x480
[07:15] <bad_ronald> Hate to interrupt your statistics discussion, but I just noticed that pretty much every single mime type (e.g. that of jpg, mp3, txt, ogg, gif, bmp, avi, mpg etc.) is permanently associated with one program; is anyone else actually running Ubuntu right now, and if so can you change the mime types for anything? ...because every alternative option that I have is grayed out in the "Open with..." dialog.
[07:15] <fabbione> justdave: to talk with daniels 
[07:15] <subterrific> bad_ronald: same here
[07:15] <fabbione> justdave: did you install from Preview? from the net? for daily crack?
[07:16] <subterrific> bad_ronald: well, 80% of the time at least. i'll get back to you once i'm done testing the other 20% of the time
[07:16] <justdave> fabbione: from the preview CD
[07:16] <subterrific> bad_ronald: seriously though, file a bug :)
[07:16] <fabbione> justdave: known issues.. fixed in the archive
[07:16] <justdave> Device  "NVIDIA Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440] "
[07:16] <justdave> ok, that might explain it
[07:17] <justdave> I've read all the horror stories about nvidia :)
[07:17] <subterrific> bad_ronald: actually, before you do that, make sure you're running the most recent packages
[07:17] <fabbione> justdave: yes
[07:17] <bad_ronald> fabbione, so there's no need to post in on bugzilla?
[07:17] <bad_ronald> what packages are needed?
[07:17] <fabbione> bad_ronald: sorry but i was not following your discussion. I was answering to justdave 
[07:17] <bad_ronald> oh
[07:18] <fabbione> bad_ronald: but please file a bug for what you think is the problem
[07:18] <subterrific> bad_ronald: use synaptic and do a refresh, then mark upgrades
[07:18] <fabbione> justdave: you can also read my last mail to activity ;)
[07:19] <bad_ronald> alright I'm updating now
[07:20] <justdave> that's interesting
[07:20] <subterrific> why is gstreamer defaulted to using OSS in ubuntu?
[07:20] <Hrdwr_BoB> subterrific, stupid ALSA problems
[07:20] <Hrdwr_BoB> which mysteriously go away when using OSS
[07:20] <Hrdwr_BoB> through alsa
[07:20] <subterrific> and the entry for gstreamer-properties is missing from the menu, took me forever to figure out how to fix it
[07:20] <subterrific> Hrdwr_BoB: really?
[07:21] <Hrdwr_BoB> yes, truly
[07:21] <subterrific> i've never had any problems with it, in fact i have problems using OSS
[07:22] <subterrific> Hrdwr_BoB: actually, i submitted a kernel patch to update the ubuntu kernel to use ALSA 1.0.6, which might be why its working fine for me?
[07:23] <Hrdwr_BoB> I haven't experienced these problems myself
[07:23] <subterrific> ahh
[07:23] <Hrdwr_BoB> I'm merely relaying the answer I was given :)
[07:23] <Hrdwr_BoB> I have gstreamer set to ALSA :)
[07:23] <subterrific> well maybe get someone who has had the problems to try that patch :)
[07:23] <subterrific> cause i'm unaware of these invisible make believe people
[07:24] <ich> hi
[07:24] <Hrdwr_BoB> they exist! I keep them in my basement
[07:24] <Hrdwr_BoB> hey ich
[07:24] <subterrific> the OSS trolls in the basement, how fitting
[07:24] <ich> have to go now, only have to know if theres a way to get the ati drivers working?
[07:24] <Hrdwr_BoB> there is yes
[07:24] <ich> where?
[07:24] <Hrdwr_BoB> I beleive they're in restricted
[07:25] <ich> ?
[07:25] <ich> i would like to enable opengl perfomance, so how?
[07:25] <Hrdwr_BoB> in synaptic, enable restricted modules
[07:25] <Hrdwr_BoB> this shoudl allow you to download the ati modules and driver
[07:25] <ich> then it works without doin anythin?
[07:25] <Hrdwr_BoB> you'll likely have to edit the config
[07:26] <Hrdwr_BoB> or do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[07:26] <Hrdwr_BoB> I'm not 100% sure (I don't own an appropriate ati card)
[07:26] <ich> i have to go, but ill add you to my buddies, so we can talk later!?
[07:27] <Hrdwr_BoB> go for it
[07:27] <Hrdwr_BoB> in here is the best place though
[07:27] <Hrdwr_BoB> if I'm offline, there will be someone (likely more qualified) else around :)
[07:27] <subterrific> ich: google helps a lot for these things too
[07:27] <ich> ok
[07:27] <ich> :)
[07:27] <subterrific> and the gentoo forums
[07:28] <ich> but i have ubuntu, debian based, not gentoo 8-)
[07:28] <ich> so, ciao
[07:28] <matt2> yeah but the gentoo forums are great
[07:28] <ich> ok
[07:28] <ich> ciao
[07:28] <subterrific> ich: configuring xfree is pretty universal
[07:28] <subterrific> not distro specific
[07:28] <matt2> as are many things
[07:29] <MrJ412> how do i install a downloaded deb file?
[07:29] <MrJ412> sorry, very new to debian
[07:29] <matt2> dpkg -i filename
[07:29] <matt2> or at least, that worked for this debian n00b
[07:29] <MrJ412> thanks :-)
[07:30] <matt2> nooo worries
[07:37] <WW> Has anyone here resized a reiserfs partition with parted?
[07:38] <WW> ...and lived to tell the tale?
[07:41] <matt2> nope, they all died miserable deaths
[07:42] <chutwig> good evening gentlemen
[07:42] <Hrdwr_BoB> chutwig, all your base...
[07:42] <matt2> hey there chutwig..
[07:43] <chutwig> how are we all
[07:43] <matt2> I like rusty spoons?
[07:43] <WW> 52 corruptions after resizing.  Probably beyond repair?
[07:44] <subterrific> format
[07:44] <subterrific> failure
[07:44] <matt2> Well, I'm sick as a dog actually, probably heading to bed soon. 
[07:50] <theantix> is there anything special needed to get video4linux working with ubuntu?
[07:56] <subterrific> anyone here a sifl and olly fan?
[07:57] <pills> theantix: in /etc/network/interface for the wireless_key, so i use hex or text string for key?
[07:57] <pills> subterrific..i saw it once or twice on mtv awhile back...never thought it was that great
[07:57] <jdub> pills: s:<string> or hex
[07:58] <subterrific> pills: i think its really creative, cracks me up
[08:01] <pills> jdub u have any ideas on the follwoing problem:  using a belkin wireless pcmcia card which is suppose to be supported and it seems to be able to communicate with my access point and i get good signal strength according to the monitor in gnome, i just cant seem to access the internet with it
[08:02] <Hrdwr_BoB> pills, can you ping the server
[08:02] <jdub> pills: what's in /etc/resolv.conf?
[08:03] <pills> nameserver 63.203.35.55
[08:03] <pills> nameserver 206.13.28.12
[08:03] <pills> Hrdwr_BoB: no it says connect: network is unreachable
[08:04] <Hrdwr_BoB> what does ip route say
[08:04] <pills> subterrific: they still airing sifl and olly?
[08:04] <pills> no output
[08:05] <subterrific> pills: nope, it was only on for 2 seasons
[08:05] <subterrific> you can't find them on the internet though
[08:07] <aitrus> is hdd=ide-scsi the grub kernel line parameter for ide burners? (assuming the burner is hdd)
[08:07] <ish> Don't suppose anyone is having any luck on an Inspiron 4100 laptop?
[08:08] <Hrdwr_BoB> aitrus, yes but you shouldn't need it
[08:08] <Hrdwr_BoB> you can write using ATAPI
[08:08] <tvon|x31> aitrus: I think thats old 2.4 setup.  for 2.6 you shouldnt need that (I dont anyways)
[08:08] <tvon|x31> oh, I was beaten to the puch
[08:08] <aitrus> alrighty.  thanks.
[08:09] <pills> Hrdwr_BoB or jdub...any other ideas?
[08:09] <Hrdwr_BoB> pills, what odes iwconfig say?
[08:09] <Hrdwr_BoB> post in #flood
[08:11] <tvon|x31> or a paste site such as paste.plone.org
[08:12] <pills> gonna post in #flood...be right there
[08:18] <jdub> pills: output of route -n ?
[08:19] <pills> none
[08:22] <pills> lol...cardctl resume keeps freezing my laptop
[08:26] <pitti> Good morning
[08:28] <jdub> hey pills 
[08:28] <jdub> er
[08:28] <jdub> pitti :)
[08:29] <pills> Hrdwr_BoB --- jdub   posted the output of iwconfig in #flood
[08:29] <reformed> howdy jdub
[08:29] <pitti> jdub: still feeling the ill effects of yesterday's coke? :-)
[08:30] <jdub> ;)
[08:33] <linux_mafia> cocaine?
[08:34] <ubuntuwig> nothing like a sleepless night to give you lots of time to break linux
[08:34] <bob2> windows loving friend: "wow, ive been using Ubuntu for an hour and im not horribly offended yet"
[08:34] <Hrdwr_BoB> hahaha
[08:36] <pills> Hrdwr_BoB: my iwconfig look kosher?
[08:36] <ubuntuwig> wow
[08:36] <ubuntuwig> xpdf is hot
[08:38] <Hrdwr_BoB> hm .. not sure, does iwconfig set IP?
[08:38] <Hrdwr_BoB> or does ifcofnig
[08:38] <ubuntuwig> set IP in what way?  DHCP?
[08:38] <Hrdwr_BoB> are you using dhcp?
[08:38] <Hrdwr_BoB> or manual setting
[08:38] <ubuntuwig> i use dhcp
[08:39] <Hrdwr_BoB> hrm
[08:39] <pills> dhcp
[08:39] <ubuntuwig> setting the IP through DHCP is up to dhclient
[08:40] <pills> when i run dhclient with wireless card...no DHCPOFFERS
[08:40] <ubuntuwig> what card?
[08:40] <pills> belkin F5D6020
[08:41] <ubuntuwig> what module does it load?
[08:41] <pills> lsmod?
[08:41] <ubuntuwig> well, when you run lspci, what does it describe the card as
[08:42] <pills> dont see anything listed with lspci
[08:43] <ubuntuwig> zuh
[08:43] <pills> eh
[08:43] <pills> its pcmcia
[08:43] <ubuntuwig> mystery solved
[08:44] <ubuntuwig> except i know nothing about pcmcia on linux
[08:44] <ubuntuwig> but i'd be interested to know what chipset it uses
[08:44] <pills> heh
[08:44] <Hrdwr_BoB> blind leading the blind
[08:44] <Hrdwr_BoB> hooray
[08:44] <Hrdwr_BoB> :)
[08:44] <ubuntuwig> the wireless card in my computer works, but not against encrypted WAPs
[08:44] <ubuntuwig> and it does the same thing where it fires off the requests but never gets an offer
[08:44] <pills> mine doesnt work when it urn  WEP off either
[08:45] <ubuntuwig> guess you pissed off computer jesus
[08:45] <pills> beh
[08:49] <pills> http://members.boardhost.com/cipherwar/msg/6213.html
[08:49] <pills> that guy has same card and works fine on red aht 9 :(
[08:51] <pills> http://www.epocfaq.co.uk/faqNetworks.htm#LANcompat
[08:51] <pills> and that has chipset info
[08:53] <pills> brb think i may have found the problem
[08:53] <ukh> Fast question:  warty supposedly somewhat corresponds to sarge, but what is hoary?
[08:53] <jdub> ukh: hoary is our next release
[08:54] <jdub> ukh: until march, it will be the development branch
[08:54] <ukh> jdub: thanks!  Should go in a FAQ, I think...
[08:54] <jdub> warty is a branch of sid
[08:54] <Treenaks> hm, no prism54 support in warty?
[08:55] <Treenaks> luckily, my atmel-card is supported..
[08:56] <theantix> pills, success?
[08:56] <pills_> dunno
[08:56] <pills_> trying to get rid of the wep key now
[08:56] <pills_> is there a way to with iwconfig or soemthing?
[08:57] <Nafai> pills_: iwconfig eth0 key off
[08:58] <pills_> yeah heh just got it
[08:59] <pills_> oh shit yeah (excuse the language)
[08:59] <ubuntuwig> filthy language
[08:59] <theantix> excellent pills, glad to hear it
[09:00] <pills_> guess i didnt wait long enough before when i turned wep off
[09:00] <pills_> but aprrently  WEP does not work with the Intersil Prism chipset; it only works with the reference Lucent Hermes chipset
[09:00] <pills_> thats off one of the pages i posted above
[09:01] <ubuntuwig> how disappointing
[09:01] <ubuntuwig> i can't eject disks by dumping them on the trash
[09:01] <ubuntuwig> my world is falling apart :(
[09:01] <Hrdwr_BoB> oh noes
[09:01] <Hrdwr_BoB> hax0rs on teh yuor pc?
[09:02] <Hrdwr_BoB> perhaps you could right click and use eject :)
[09:02] <ubuntuwig> nautilus doesn't eject disks that way
[09:02] <ubuntuwig> sadly
[09:02] <ubuntuwig> years of conditioning from mac os has trained me that the trash is the only place for things to go
[09:03] <ubuntuwig> doesn't look like there's a way for auto-arrange to put the icons on the right side either
[09:03] <ubuntuwig> where they should be :mad:
[09:04] <jmhodges> hey, is the ubuntu symbol posted up anywhere other than the default desktop?
[09:04] <jmhodges> s/desktop/wallpaper/
[09:04] <ubuntuwig> posted up?
[09:05] <jmhodges> on the web
[09:05] <jmhodges> in various sizes, or as a .xcf or some such
[09:06] <ubuntuwig> dunno
[09:06] <ubuntuwig> i'm sure somebody has it somewhere
[09:06] <jmhodges> i'd like to use it for a few things
[09:06] <jmhodges> im sure they do, now to figure out who they are :)
[09:07] <ubuntuwig> let the inquisition begin
[09:09] <theantix> jmhodges, it's on the wiki
[09:09] <jmhodges> theantix: thanks
[09:09] <theantix> no problem
[09:11] <jmhodges> oy, ill figur eit out when im really awake heh
[09:11] <jmhodges> thanks again
[09:19] <Treenaks> I met someone on the bus to work today who knew about Ubuntu :)
[09:19] <sladen> wildfire
[09:20] <plovs_> how can I see what processor is in my computer (cat /proc/???)
[09:21] <Mithrandir> plovs_: /proc/cpuinfo
[09:22] <plovs_> Mithrandir, duh, thanks!
[09:29] <linux_mafia> Mithrandir, is that your real name?
[09:31] <Mithrandir> linux_mafia: Tollef Fog Heen, as it says in /whois
[09:31] <linux_mafia> Mithrandir, i dont know what that means, but its my cousins name
[09:32] <plovs_>  /whois plovs
[09:32] <Mithrandir> linux_mafia: what Tollef means?
[09:32] <linux_mafia> Mithrandir, yes
[09:32] <plovs_> sorry 
[09:33] <Mithrandir> linux_mafia: it comes from Torleiv, which means something along the lines of "the ancestor of Thor" or "the one who comes after Thor".  (Thor being the Norse god of thunder.)
[09:34] <jdub> linux_mafia: and if you are not careful, tollef will zap you.
[09:34] <linux_mafia> haha
[09:35] <Mithrandir> jdub: he's a bit far away, I don't think norse gods has much power on that side of the earth.  It's the underside, see? ;)
[09:35] <jdub> ;)
[09:36] <linux_mafia> he could send mjolnir to get me, help
[09:37] <Mithrandir> I don't think Thor ever went to niflheim or Hel, but I might be wrong.  As you are clearly over the edge, I think that's where .nz has to be. :P
[09:37] <joh_> :)
[10:11] <Hmmmmm_> anyone home?
[10:11] <linux_mafia> me
[10:11] <spikeb> aye
[10:12] <Hmmmmm_> was wondering where the crowd had dissapeared
[10:12] <Hmmmmm_> no one seemed to be talking
[10:12] <Hmmmmm_> i just installed ubuntu
[10:12] <Hmmmmm_> along with my fc2 and gentoo
[10:13] <spikeb> heh
[10:13] <pitti> Hmmmmm_: you love many OSs, don't you?
[10:13] <Hmmmmm_> cna someone help me edit my fc2 grub to be able to boot into ubuntu?
[10:13] <Hmmmmm_> pit: yup i guess i do
[10:13] <Hmmmmm_> share my /home between them all
[10:13] <Hmmmmm_> move seemlessly thru them
[10:14] <Hmmmmm_> i have 6 distro installed in 8 GB
[10:14] <pitti> Hmmmmm_: so you did not allow ubuntu to setup grub for you?
[10:14] <pitti> Hmmmmm_: didn't it recognize all your other OS?
[10:14] <Tsjoklat> why is that Hmmm?
[10:14] <Tsjoklat> you can't decide which one you like best? :)
[10:14] <Hmmmmm_> i installed grub in ubuntu in /dev/hda9
[10:14] <pitti> Tsjoklat: he's still thinking deeply over it :-)
[10:15] <Hmmmmm_> ts: no i just like choice
[10:15] <pitti> Hmmmmm_: ah, on the partition
[10:15] <Hmmmmm_> yup
[10:15] <Tsjoklat> pitti: it looks that way :)
[10:15] <Hmmmmm_> so i want to edit my grub now
[10:15] <pitti> Hmmmmm_: then that's easy, you just need to chainload hda9 in your main grub
[10:15] <Hmmmmm_> title Ubuntu 4.1
[10:15] <Hmmmmm_> 	root (hd0,9)
[10:15] <Hmmmmm_> 	kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-2-386
[10:15] <Hmmmmm_> 	initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8.1-2-386
[10:15] <Hmmmmm_> is this good enough?
[10:15] <pitti> Hmmmmm_: nope, its (hd0,8)
[10:16] <Hmmmmm_> o thanks
[10:16] <pitti> Hmmmmm_: you also need to supply kernel boot parameters
[10:16] <Hmmmmm_> forgot the BSD thingy again
[10:16] <Tsjoklat> I am still d/l Ubuntu :|
[10:16] <Hmmmmm_> wat params
[10:16] <Hmmmmm_> can u help me out?
[10:16] <Tsjoklat> only 23 more hours to go lol
[10:16] <pitti> Hmmmmm_: but if you installed grub into hda9 instead of hda, then you just need to chainload
[10:16] <Hmmmmm_> im not sure what chainload is
[10:16] <pitti> title    Ubuntu 4.1
[10:16] <Tsjoklat> does anyone have good results on dual-boot? not asking Hmmm :P
[10:17] <pitti> root (hd0,8)
[10:17] <pitti> makeactive
[10:17] <pitti> chainloader +1
[10:17] <pitti> Tsjoklat: works like charm, do you have problems with it?
[10:17] <pitti> Hmmmmm_: you can probably even skip "makeactive", its only required for Windoze
[10:17] <Tsjoklat> no, not yet, still d/l it.. but I have had problems in the past with other distros... just wanted to be sure
[10:17] <Hmmmmm_> ok
[10:18] <Tsjoklat> I am looking forward to this
[10:18] <pitti> Tsjoklat: ubuntu installation detects all other OSses and automatically enters them into the boot menu
[10:18] <Tsjoklat> that is fab
[10:18] <pitti> Hmmmmm_: so you just need title, root and chainloader
[10:18] <Hmmmmm_> thanks
[10:18] <Tsjoklat> I really hope this is the answer to the debian nightmare
[10:18] <pitti> Tsjoklat: but the current Sarge installer also detects other OSes and installs a proper grub
[10:19] <pitti> Tsjoklat: unfair to compare it with the woody installer :-)
[10:19] <Hmmmmm_> is ubuntu on sarge?
[10:19] <pitti> Hmmmmm_: ubuntu started as a sarge snapshot in about June, but from then on we developed it on our own
[10:19] <Hmmmmm_> oic
[10:20] <Hmmmmm_> pit: u develop ubuntu?
[10:20] <Tsjoklate> well that was fun
[10:20] <pitti> Hmmmmm_: BTW, I'm pitti :-) Yes
[10:20] <Tsjoklate> as I was saying, the fact that they locked the gnome menu editor was for me the reason to leave it
[10:20] <Hmmmmm_> sorry
[10:20] <Hmmmmm_> pitti: im sorry
[10:20] <pitti> Hmmmmm_: what for?
[10:21] <Hmmmmm_> for callin u just 'pit
[10:21] <pitti> Hmmmmm_: np :-)
[10:21] <Tsjoklate> lol
[10:21] <Tsjoklate> if I read it right.. ubuntu doesn't have a lock on the menu do they?
[10:21] <pitti> Hmmmmm_: I just don't get notified in IRC if my nick is not spelled out
[10:22] <Hmmmmm_> how do i direct a msg to u?
[10:22] <Hmmmmm_> im new to irc
[10:22] <Hmmmmm_> do i just type this "pitti: the message"
[10:22] <Tsjoklate> what client are you using Hmm?
[10:22] <pitti> Hmmmmm_: as soon as 'pitti' occurs somewhere in the line, I'm notifie
[10:22] <pitti> Hmmmmm_: yes :-)
[10:22] <pitti> xchat
[10:22] <Hmmmmm_> oh ok
[10:22] <Hmmmmm_> isnt there a more intelligent way to do this?
[10:22] <Hmmmmm_> like if i type pit and it realised im refering to u?
[10:22] <Tsjoklate> right click on the nick
[10:22] <pitti> Hmmmmm_: I use to type Hm<Tab> and get autocompletion
[10:22] <Hmmmmm_> im on xchat
[10:23] <Hmmmmm_> cool
[10:23] <Tsjoklate> pick open dialog window
[10:23] <Hmmmmm_> thanks
[10:23] <pitti> Hmmmmm_: yes, you can also chat with anybody in private
[10:23] <Tsjoklate> but it is common courtesy to ask the person if you may dcc them
[10:23] <pitti> Hmmmmm_: either type /msg <nick> blabla
[10:23] <Tsjoklate> not everybody likes to be pm'd
[10:23] <TongMaster> Hmmmmm_, you can also use /query pitti or /msg pitti
[10:23] <Hmmmmm_> ok
[10:23] <Hmmmmm_> tab works for me i think
[10:23] <pitti> Hmmmmm_: or right-click on nick and open dialog
[10:23] <Hmmmmm_> i dont want PM
[10:24] <pitti> What's PM?
[10:24] <Hmmmmm_> i wanted to know how to get the hightlighted msg thing going
[10:24] <Hmmmmm_> private msg
[10:24] <Tsjoklate> private message
[10:24] <pitti> thx
[10:24] <Tsjoklate> PM
[10:24] <Tsjoklate> np
[10:24] <Tsjoklate> that is when you type the correct nick Hmmm
[10:25] <Tsjoklate> like when I just typed that it won't show highlighted
[10:25] <Tsjoklate> cuz I am too lazy too count all the mmmmms you  have in your nick
[10:25] <Tsjoklate> :P
[10:25] <Hmmmmm_> Tsjoklat: thanks
[10:26] <Tsjoklate> ymw :)
[10:26] <Tsjoklate> does anyone know the answer to my question? about the menu lock?
[10:26] <Hmmmmm_> i'll reboot now
[10:26] <Hmmmmm_> and see if i got the frub thing right
[10:26] <Hmmmmm_> thanks people
[10:26] <pitti> Tsjoklate: not sure what you mean
[10:26] <Tsjoklate> ttyl Hmmm
[10:26] <pitti> Tsjoklate: but probably jdub or seb128 know
[10:27] <Tsjoklate> well in debian sarge they put a lock on the menu editor
[10:27] <Tsjoklate> so you are stuck with a debian submenu
[10:27] <Tsjoklate> meaning... all your entries are double up, and no way of removing it
[10:28] <seb128> hello
[10:28] <Tsjoklate> when asked they told me they didn't want to deal with nuubs messing with the menu and file bugreports so they locked it
[10:28] <Tsjoklate> heya seb
[10:28] <Tsjoklate> and I was wondering since ubuntu is deb based, if they continue that nonsense to
[10:29] <TongMaster> Tsjoklat, the debian menu is gone.
[10:29] <Tsjoklate> do you know anything about that seb?
[10:29] <TongMaster> Tsjoklate, the debian menu is gone.
[10:30] <kalis> Why does many of my programs launched from the menu start as two instances of the same program?
[10:30] <kalis> Freshly installed Ubuntu
[10:30] <Tsjoklate> thank you TongMaster, that news is really good
[10:30] <TongMaster> Tsjoklate, however, this mean at present that there at not menu items for some of the non-gnome applications that are installed.
[10:30] <pitti> Tsjoklate: seb128 is not yet in the room
[10:30] <Tsjoklate> I will happily wait for the 24 hour d/l to finish now
[10:31] <pitti> Tsjoklate: isn't it faster to ask a friend to burn it for you?
[10:31] <seb128> hello pitti 
[10:31] <Tsjoklate> --> seb128 (~seb128@ANancy-111-1-17-20.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #ubuntu
[10:31] <Tsjoklate> he is on server pitti
[10:31] <pitti> seb128: Hi!
[10:31] <seb128> what's up ?
[10:31] <Tsjoklate> I would if I had one pitti, but I don't have anyone near me with a fast connection... and too eager to wait for the cds to be send :)
[10:31] <pitti> seb128: Tsjoklate wants to know about "locked menus"
[10:32] <Tsjoklate> I don't mind the wait.. was a bit worried about that dratted debian submenu though
[10:32] <pitti> Hi rburton
[10:32] <pitti> Tsjoklate: after all, it's all open source, nothing you can't change :-)
[10:33] <Tsjoklate> that's what I thought pitti :) but after a week messing with sarge and no cooking I gave up
[10:33] <Tsjoklate> when you google it, it seems there are more like me that dislike the new 'feature'
[10:33] <pitti> Tsjoklate: then, good luck with ubuntu
[10:34] <Tsjoklate> thank you pitti, I think it is going to be good... so far nothing but good responses on everything
[10:34] <pitti> Tsjoklate: well, there are still many bugs, but we are working hard to fix them :-)
[10:35] <Tsjoklate> pitti: bugs I can live with... forced items I can't
[10:35] <rburton> hi pitti, morning all
[10:35] <seb128> hello rburton 
[10:35] <Tsjoklate> good afternoon rburton
[10:35] <Tsjoklate> how is England treating you today? was cold this morning wasn't it
[10:35] <seb128> Tsjoklate: you had a question ?
[10:36] <Tsjoklate> I was asking about the menus being locked or not seb
[10:37] <seb128> how locked ?
[10:37] <Tsjoklate> since Ubuntu is deb based I was worried that Ubuntu continued the new style debian sarge has, with locking the menu editor and forcing their debian submenu upon users
[10:37] <Tsjoklate> in the main menu they have put a debian submenu.. and no way of removing it
[10:37] <rburton> Tsjoklate: the debian submenu only appears if you have the "menu" package installed
[10:38] <rburton> "they have put", it's part of gnome and has been since... 1.0 iirc
[10:38] <rburton> def. in 1.4
[10:38] <Tsjoklate> when I asked about it, they told me they have done that so people couldn't fiddle with it... and file bugreports when something goes haywire
[10:38] <seb128> Tsjoklate: that's not a debian hack, that's an upstream part of code
[10:38] <jdub> also it's disabled in ubuntu
[10:38] <Tsjoklate> really?
[10:38] <seb128> yes
[10:38] <Tsjoklate> that is awefully odd.. since I never had that before
[10:38] <Tsjoklate> is it something I should not install when I install Ubuntu? or it won't at all?
[10:39] <Tsjoklate> well if it is disabled in Ubuntu I am not worried, I will assume there is no submenu of any kind :)
[10:41] <spikeb> yay no debian menu
[10:41] <spikeb> that thing sucked
[10:41] <spikeb> heh
[10:42] <topyli> you can of course edit the debian menu if you have a day or two :)
[10:42] <Tsjoklate> it does spikeb, and I tried topyli.. but no luck, I got so hyper I dissed it lol
[10:42] <mornfall> Mithrandir: ping?
[10:43] <rburton> the debian menu is defined by the debian menu system. if you don't like it don't install "menu". easy!
[10:43] <rburton> (of course, it pretty much sucks so ubuntu did remove it)
[10:43] <Kinnison> Morning
[10:43] <spikeb> i only have i think it is one issue with ubuntu
[10:43] <spikeb> sleep doesn't work properly
[10:43] <rburton> morning Kinnison
[10:43] <topyli> yeah, the debian menu requires a 1600x1200 resolution at least.
[10:43] <spikeb> on my ibook
[10:44] <Tsjoklate> well they could have told me that
[10:44] <Tsjoklate> instead of giving me the run around for a fortnight
[10:44] <rburton> Tsjoklate: who is "they"?
[10:44] <TongMaster> spikeb, what model?
[10:44] <spikeb> TongMaster: g3 700mhz
[10:44] <Tsjoklate> ppl in the debian help channel
[10:44] <Tsjoklate> very helpfull... and such... *cough*
[10:45] <TongMaster> spikeb, is that the Tibook II?
[10:45] <spikeb> no
[10:45] <spikeb> it's the last generation of G3 ibooks.
[10:45] <TongMaster> ah.
[10:45] <TongMaster> I had a few issues with sleeping that have "vanished" since I updated on sunday night.
[10:46] <spikeb> hmmmmm
[10:46] <Tsjoklate> it doesn't really matter, debian on it's self is good, it is just everything around it
[10:46] <Tsjoklate> I am not trying to flame anything/anyone
[10:46] <spikeb> maybe i'll give ubuntu another spin
[10:46] <TongMaster> (updated from the released ISO to what was online)
[10:46] <Tsjoklate> but I find it rather hilarious that when I was running sid I had to d/l libmagick six times a week lol
[10:46] <subterrific> only 6?
[10:47] <spikeb> lol
[10:47] <TongMaster> Tsjoklate, why were you updating six times a week/
[10:47] <subterrific> dude, i download libmagick 10 times a day
[10:47] <subterrific> for fun
[10:47] <spikeb> ubuntu is a godsend - debian without the suckage.
[10:47] <Tsjoklate> I update every day
[10:47] <Tsjoklate> first thing when I get up
[10:47] <subterrific> and thats just on days that end in Y
[10:47] <yojimbo-san> Just installed Warty on my iMac, but I'm stuck in 640x480 ... where can I go to tell X that I have an nvidia g400?
[10:47] <Tsjoklate> and every day.. libmagick
[10:47] <Tsjoklate> that's what I am hoping for spikeb
[10:48] <Tsjoklate> there was always something broke Tongmaster... 
[10:48] <topyli> libmagick is going to be awesome! look at the speed of development! :)
[10:48] <Tsjoklate> one prog got fixed, another went bust
[10:49] <Tsjoklate> felt like I had to update every day to keep up with it all
[10:49] <Tsjoklate> that's why I downgraded to sarge
[10:49] <TongMaster> Tsjoklate, man that's crazy, I've been using sid for years, updating about once a month with no such problems
[10:49] <spikeb> i just hated running sid
[10:49] <spikeb> hated it and it hated me
[10:49] <spikeb> heh
[10:50] <TongMaster> Maybe the .au mirrors were better for Sid ;)
[10:50] <spikeb> i still think this whole project is a brilliant idea - freeze sid every so often and fix bugs, release.
[10:50] <Tsjoklate> dangrabbit Tongmaster... you must have been pointing at better sources then I did
[10:51] <TongMaster> hehe
[10:51] <spikeb> tell you another thing - the defaults for this distro rock.
[10:51] <TongMaster> Yep.
[10:51] <Tsjoklate> it hated me too spikeb, you are not alone lol
[10:51] <spikeb> default software and settings (aside from the no icons on the desktop thing - im not sure i like that)
[10:51] <TongMaster> the PPC install knocked my socks off
[10:51] <Tsjoklate> but I heard indeed that the au sources are way better then the us
[10:51] <spikeb> TongMaster: aye, same here
[10:51] <Tsjoklate> never tried it though
[10:52] <spikeb> TongMaster: finally, an up to date PPC distro that isn't gentoo!
[10:52] <yojimbo-san> TongMaster: - not me, yet, until I get a decent screen driver ...
[10:52] <Tsjoklate> will it work with ATI?
[10:52] <TongMaster> yojimbo-san, yeah, I saw your comment. That's an odd problem. I have an older Tibook III though, no nvidia :)
[10:53] <spikeb> no nvidia here either
[10:53] <yojimbo-san> The card is detected in System Config, so I know it's there!
[10:53] <Tsjoklate> did you use gentoo spikeb?
[10:53] <spikeb> a fully accellerated ati :)
[10:53] <spikeb> Tsjoklate: yes and hated every minute of it
[10:53] <Tsjoklate> which one do you have spikeb?
[10:53] <Tsjoklate> I got the 9000
[10:53] <spikeb> my ati is a radeon 7500 mobile
[10:54] <spikeb> (laptop)
[10:54] <TongMaster> ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] 
[10:54] <spikeb> TongMaster: exact card i have
[10:54] <Tsjoklate> when I was on deb I had to put a nvidia card in to get it to work
[10:54] <Tsjoklate> but I want to get this ati 9000 to work with Ubuntu
[10:54] <Tsjoklate> I need the card for my dual boot
[10:54] <spikeb> Tsjoklate: my problem with gentoo is i dont like source based distros
[10:54] <plovs_> how to hide folders/files in nautilus? edit some file but I forgot the name
[10:55] <Tsjoklate> spikeb: I understand.. but it is the only one right now that works with my vid card
[10:55] <Tsjoklate> besides RH9
[10:55] <TongMaster> Tsjoklate, I may be mistaken but i think bob2 is a 9000 user
[10:55] <TongMaster> wait til he is online.
[10:55] <Tsjoklate> what continent is bob2 on?
[10:55] <spikeb> pluto
[10:55] <TongMaster> That's a good question.
[10:56] <Tsjoklate> so he'll be on in about seven hours then huh spikeb
[10:56] <TongMaster> But I t hink here's still physically hre - .au
[10:56] <spikeb> lol
[10:56] <Tsjoklate> but since I have 23:59 to go before my d/l is done.. I think I will catch pluto time
[10:56] <spikeb> let's see what else good i can say about ubuntu...oh! firefox and not epiphany or mozilla seamonkey.
[10:56] <spikeb> brilliant.
[10:56] <spikeb> Tsjoklate: that's quite a while
[10:57] <Tsjoklate> thunderbird?
[10:57] <spikeb> nope - evolution 2.0
[10:57] <Tsjoklate> yeah the joy of dialup
[10:57] <jdub> plovs_: .hidden
[10:57] <TongMaster> firsth thing I did was install epiphany.
[10:57] <spikeb> heh TongMaster 
[10:57] <Tsjoklate> you prefer epi over galeon TM?
[10:57] <plovs_> jdub, seems not to be working if you use ~ as desktop
[10:57] <TongMaster> slightly, yes.
[10:58] <spikeb> epiphany is much better than galeon if you want a gnome native browser. my opinion, of course.
[10:58] <TongMaster> Tsjoklate, although tab completion for histories in epiphany is lacking and annoying.
[10:58] <TongMaster> (but hardly a show stopper)
[10:58] <spikeb> you know what bugs me? on osx tab complete for history doesnt work in safari - it moves to the googlebar field
[10:59] <martink> plovs_: killall nautilus
[10:59] <jdub> plovs_: you really should not use ~ as desktop
[10:59] <Tsjoklate> never used mac spikeb
[10:59] <plovs_> martink, that helped, who said vilonce is never the answer?!
[10:59] <spikeb> Tsjoklate: i'm a mac hardware fan :)
[10:59] <spikeb> plovs_: hahahhaha
[11:00] <martink> plovs: :)
[11:00] <Tsjoklate> well the main reason why I switched to gnome is because none, besides k3b, of the kde progs do it for me
[11:00] <plovs_> jdub, I know but I wanted to try it out and it is not too bad, so far
[11:00] <spikeb> OSX is nice, but it really isn't for me.
[11:00] <Tsjoklate> ah lucky bugger spikeb :)
[11:00] <plovs_> jdub, why do you not like it?
[11:00] <yojimbo-san> I'm looking forward to running MacOnLinux now Ubuntu is installed on my machine!
[11:00] <spikeb> ~ as desktop - interesting.
[11:01] <yojimbo-san> So I can keep iPhoto (like mutt, it sucks, but not as much as the alternatives)
[11:01] <spikeb> heh
[11:01] <spikeb> yojimbo-san: aye.
[11:01] <spikeb> MOL is good for that.
[11:01] <Tsjoklate> is 2.0 nice spikeb?
[11:01] <spikeb> Tsjoklate: very.
[11:01] <Tsjoklate> Evo that is
[11:01] <Tsjoklate> I should feed the hamsters some speed.. can't wait
[11:01] <spikeb> hehe
[11:02] <jo> hello everyone. I concluded there was no Mono package in Ubuntu, but I guess I have overlooked the "universe" section. Can I install Mono/GTK#/... from universe? Are universe just the sid packages?
[11:02] <spikeb> half hour left on my download
[11:02] <Tsjoklate> fast connection spikeb?
[11:02] <spikeb> yes
[11:02] <yojimbo-san> jo: Universe is similar to Debian/sid, basically the same
[11:02] <Tsjoklate> hi jo, wouldn't know mate.. I am still d/l Ubuntu itself!
[11:03] <TongMaster> jo, universe is a snapshot of sid, taken at $TIME prior to release.
[11:03] <TongMaster> IIRC.
[11:03] <Tsjoklate> there was a post about mono jo
[11:03] <jo> spikeb: ok thanks.. Are there any risks to using Universe? Broken packages, conflicts with Ubuntu packages from main?
[11:04] <jdub> plovs_: it's not that i don't like it, more that i don't think it's a safe/appropriate model (although if you read back on old nautilus threads, i was one of its proponents for a long time)
[11:04] <spikeb> jdub: heh
[11:04] <Tsjoklate> is it okay to paste in here?
[11:04] <jdub> jo: unsupported, pacakges might not be built, very little testing (at least in this release)
[11:04] <Tsjoklate> I just read the post about mono
[11:04] <jdub> jo: no guarantee of security support
[11:04] <jdub> etc.
[11:04] <Hmmmmm_> ubuntu is quite cool
[11:04] <spikeb> i agree.
[11:04] <Hmmmmm_> need some help though
[11:05] <Hmmmmm_> i dont think i configured my root apssword during install
[11:05] <Tsjoklate> wb Hmmm
[11:05] <yojimbo-san> hmmm, you didn't
[11:05] <spikeb> im going to install skyos on my desktop while i wait for the ubuntu iso
[11:05] <Hmmmmm_> thnx Tsjoklate
[11:05] <spikeb> Hmmmmm_: you don't have to.
[11:05] <TongMaster> Hmmmmm_, root is disabled.
[11:05] <yojimbo-san> you use sudo from the user defined at install time, instead
[11:05] <Hmmmmm_> how do i enable root?
[11:05] <Tsjoklate> jo: it said... sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:05] <subterrific> Hmmmmm_: you don't want to
[11:05] <Hmmmmm_> i want to enable internet access
[11:05] <yojimbo-san> Don't enable root, use sudo from your user account instead.
[11:05] <TongMaster> Hmmmmm_, what yojimbo-san said :)
[11:06] <spikeb> i think following the osx model of disabling root and sudoing everything is also wonderful.
[11:06] <spikeb> heh
[11:06] <Tsjoklate> add: deb http://wwww.gestsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./
[11:06] <subterrific> Computer->System Configuration->Networking
[11:06] <Hmmmmm_> but there must be some kinda authentication for sudo
[11:06] <Tsjoklate> sudo apt-get update
[11:06] <subterrific> enable network access
[11:06] <subterrific> Hmmmmm_: sudo uses your password
[11:06] <yojimbo-san> There is - it's called "your user password"
[11:06] <TongMaster> Hmmmmm_, yes, it uses your password.
[11:06] <subterrific> sudo -s will give you a root terminal
[11:06] <Hmmmmm_> so how do i configure the network?
[11:06] <Tsjoklate> sudo apt-get install muine f-spot blam monodevelop
[11:06] <Tsjoklate> hope you got that jo
[11:06] <spikeb> Hmmmmm_: just do it normally via the GUI and it'll ask for your password 
[11:07] <subterrific> Hmmmmm_: Computer->System Configuration->Networking
[11:07] <jo> Tsjoklate: ok thanks!
[11:07] <Hmmmmm_> so i just run "sudo network-admin" and it shud do the trick?
[11:07] <subterrific> welcome to easy
[11:07] <subterrific> gui
[11:07] <subterrific> hello
[11:07] <subterrific> Hmmmmm_: Computer->System Configuration->Networking
[11:07] <Hmmmmm_> ok
[11:07] <Hmmmmm_> thanks
[11:07] <Hmmmmm_> i'll be back
[11:07] <Hmmmmm_> hopefully this time i'll be using ubuntu while talkin to u guys
[11:07] <yojimbo-san> OK, I'm off now to shut down X and try again! :-)
[11:08] <jo> If it's possible to use all Debian packages, I think I'm gonna make the switch. Ubuntu is very nicely configured by default (fonts, sudo, gnome, ...)!
[11:08] <Tsjoklate> jo: ymw :)
[11:08] <jdub> jo: it's not recommended
[11:08] <jdub> jo: better to use universe, and fix problems in it
[11:09] <truk_away> jdub: universe is not suppoorted by ubuntu main developers, but will volunteers maintain it?
[11:09] <HrdwrBoB> jo: universe contains 'most' debian packages
[11:09] <jdub> universe won't be very cool for WartyWarthog,
[11:09] <jdub> but it should be good in HoaryHedgehog
[11:09] <jdub> because there'll be a lot more people looking at it
[11:09] <jdub> truk_away: yeah
[11:10] <truk_away> jdub: :) ok
[11:10] <subterrific> universe has worked out fine for me so far
[11:10] <subterrific> and i strictly use linux
[11:10] <subterrific> for work and home
[11:10] <jdub> and then if pacakges come up to standard, they might shift over to support
[11:10] <jdub> ed
[11:10] <topyli> jdub: i've had to get a couple of packages from unstable
[11:10] <jo> jdub: thanks.. I meant using universe by the way, "all packages" was a bit overreacted. If the packages I need are supported (mostly Mono stuff), it's fine by me.
[11:11] <jdub> jo: atm, mono is not in supported. but it might be in HoaryHedgehog.
[11:11] <jdub> jo: tseng is maintaining a repository of updated mono stuff for testing before Hoary opens
[11:11] <truk_away> jdub: what about java repositories?
[11:11] <Tsjoklate> the open office suite is the deb version of it?
[11:12] <subterrific> mono doesn't seem to even work installing from universe either :\
[11:12] <_axel> would be cool to get ximian ooo into ubuntu
[11:12] <jo> jdub: Hoary is about to be released in October, right? Maybe I'll beter wait a month then :-)
[11:12] <jdub> jo: no, WartyWarthog Final is in october
[11:12] <jo> oh
[11:13] <jdub> jo: HoaryHedgehog is the development branch, which will run until March/April 2005
[11:13] <jdub> well,
[11:13] <jdub> not just development branch
[11:13] <jdub> HoaryHedgehog is the next release
[11:13] <jdub> but for six months it will be under development :)
[11:13] <truk_away> so there's no fixed devel name as sid
[11:13] <jdub> subterrific: use tseng's repo
[11:13] <Tsjoklate> yeah would like the ximian version of ooo too
[11:13] <jdub> truk_away: nup
[11:14] <jdub> Tsjoklate: the OOo in debian is part of the ooo.ximian.com group
[11:14] <jdub> it's just an older version of it atm
[11:14] <truk_away> jdub: and how many pre-releases of warty are expected?
[11:14] <Tsjoklate> oh okay didn't know that
[11:14] <jdub> truk_away: warty or hoary? :)
[11:14] <Hmmm> guys im back
[11:14] <Hmmm> i worked!!!
[11:14] <spikeb> i would assume one - unless some nasty install issues pop up
[11:14] <truk_away> umm, actual :P
[11:14] <Tsjoklate> wb Hmmm
[11:14] <spikeb> Hmmm: cool
[11:14] <Tsjoklate> lol
[11:15] <truk_away> october release
[11:15] <Tsjoklate> are you on Ubuntu now?
[11:15] <subterrific> jdub: got a url for that? google unhelpful
[11:15] <Hmmm> now to configure apt
[11:15] <jdub> truk_away: see wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog/ReleaseSchedule
[11:15] <jdub> and wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryHedgehog/ReleaseSchedule
[11:15] <jdub> subterrific: it's been mentioned on -users and -devel
[11:15] <spikeb> hedgehog, warthog...now we need a meerkat and a fox
[11:15] <truk_away> jdub: i mean, what about ubuntu20 packages? only in final? any pre-release before?
[11:15] <subterrific> yeah, i need to get in on that mailing list action
[11:15] <Tsjoklate> I will do this one time painful d/l and after that just upgrade
[11:16] <jdub> spikeb: wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedReleaseNames (i think)
[11:16] <Hmmm> Tsjoklate, how do I configure apt?
[11:16] <jdub> truk_away: ubuntu20?
[11:16] <Tsjoklate> be aware that your box will be flooded to hell and back subterrific
[11:16] <spikeb> it's possible, not proposed.
[11:16] <Tsjoklate> did you start up synaptic Hmm?
[11:16] <jo> jdub: is it "doable" to run Hoary, the development release? As I understand, Ubuntu will be on a par with Debian regarding Mono etc. at the time of Hoary, so in fact it's too soon to switch when you need those packages?
[11:16] <truk_away> jdub: you know, fixes for ati TV out and more
[11:16] <Hmmm> jus tstarted synaptic
[11:16] <subterrific> i'm always slow to join mailing lists, but i feel like ubuntu is something i want to be involved in for a while, so i'll join now
[11:17] <Hmmm> am refreshing the list
[11:17] <jdub> truk_away: that will most likely be in before final
[11:17] <spikeb> i dont like mailing lists
[11:17] <spikeb> heh
[11:17] <subterrific> Tsjoklate: i've got this nifty procmail script that sorts mailing lists into folders :)
[11:17] <Tsjoklate> or take a look at /etc/apt
[11:17] <truk_away> jdub: ok, that's what i wanna know
[11:17] <jdub> jo: we intend for our devel branch to be fully dogfoodable, ie. you can run it on your main desktop if you want to test and so on
[11:17] <spikeb> cool subterrific 
[11:17] <Tsjoklate> subeterrific.. what is the name of that nifty procmail script? :)
[11:18] <jdub> jo: there is no hoary to run yet :)
[11:18] <Hmmm> Tsjoklate any good apt repository u know of?
[11:18] <spikeb> subterrific's nifty procmail script
[11:18] <spikeb> heh
[11:18] <Tsjoklate> I would stick what Ubuntu gives you for now Hmmm
[11:18] <Hmmm> ok
[11:18] <Tsjoklate> I haven't had a chance to look at it
[11:18] <Tsjoklate> is there something specific you need/want?
[11:18] <subterrific> http://subterrific.net/~jason/procmailrc
[11:19] <subterrific> have fun
[11:19] <Hmmm> cnat i use regular debian packages on this?
[11:19] <jo> jdub: ok, thanks for the information!
[11:19] <Tsjoklate> thank you so kindly sub
[11:19] <jdub> Hmmm: it's strongly discouraged
[11:19] <jdub> Hmmm: see the FAQ on the website
[11:19] <Hmmm> ok
[11:19] <Tsjoklate> wouldn't do that Hmmm
[11:19] <Tsjoklate> I heard there may be issues
[11:20] <subterrific> Tsjoklate: np, hope it works for you as well as it has for me
[11:20] <Tsjoklate> I'll try it out and tell you how it went
[11:21] <dewy> Hello
[11:21] <Tsjoklate> spikeb, mailing lists are cool if nobody ever emails you :P
[11:21] <spikeb> TongMaster: did the updates fix /dev/pmu? or is that still a by hand thing
[11:21] <Tsjoklate> hi dewy
[11:22] <dewy> is the ubuntu project sydney based?
[11:22] <TongMaster> spikeb, still by hand as far as I"m aware - Sid has the same problem.
[11:22] <jdub> dewy: no
[11:22] <jdub> dewy: though there are a number of sydney + .au developers
[11:22] <spikeb> TongMaster: ok
[11:22] <HrdwrBoB> it's based in the isle of man
[11:22] <jamesh> dewy: it is based in the Isle of Man
[11:22] <HrdwrBoB> ;)
[11:22] <HrdwrBoB> *on
[11:22] <dewy> oh, I read somewhere it was made by the SLUG guys
[11:23] <spikeb> TongMaster: what is the by hand solution anyway? i forgot
[11:23] <TongMaster> spikeb, I keep meaning to log a bug, one of us ought to ;)
[11:23] <TongMaster> spikeb, it's dodgy but I just o+rw /dev/pmu
[11:23] <Tsjoklate> SLUG?
[11:23] <jdub> dewy: there was a release party done at the SLUG Debian SIG
[11:23] <jdub> sydney LUG
[11:23] <spikeb> TongMaster: yes but it needs to be fixed in the udev thing, otherwise it gets reset each reboot
[11:23] <dewy> oh cool
[11:23] <thom> it's the hadess kludge of doom solution
[11:23] <TongMaster> I don't think that's an ideal solution. I was going to figure out the ideal solution then post it to the ubunto team.
[11:24] <TongMaster> spikeb, yep - less than ideal ;)
[11:24] <thom> spikeb: nope. pmu is NOT safe for multiple concurrent access
[11:24] <jdub> TongMaster: patch to gnome-settings-daemon, basically.
[11:24] <TongMaster> morning thom.
[11:24] <thom> spikeb: the real solution is to use libpbbuttonsd
[11:24] <thom> yo yo
[11:24] <jdub> TongMaster: to use libpbbuttonsd
[11:24] <jdub> slow on the keyboard today
[11:24] <TongMaster> heh
[11:25] <dewy> jdub: do you know where the cds are mailed from?
[11:25] <Lowe> morning
[11:25] <thom> jdub: you'd be faster if you'd bought an X40 ;-)
[11:25] <jdub> thom: not funny anymore
[11:25] <jdub> dewy: there's a presentation at SLUG this month about it
[11:25] <dewy> I am just wondering when to expect my cd/cds
[11:25] <jdub> dewy: um, norway i think
[11:25] <dewy> oh
[11:25] <jdub> dewy: not until end of october
[11:25] <TongMaster> dewy, if you're in sydney and can make SLUG on Friday, there should be some there.
[11:25] <dewy> I am in holmesville
[11:26] <dewy> about 2hrs (altho we made the trip in 55mins the other day =|) away, so i can't =(
[11:26] <jdub> ahr
[11:26] <TongMaster> dewy, where's holmesville near?
[11:27] <cheitozz_> hola
[11:27] <cheitozz_> alguien habla castellano?
[11:27] <Tsjoklate> wagga wagga
[11:27] <jdub> cheitozz_: estoy buscando mis pantalones :-)
[11:27] <Tsjoklate> hamana cheitozz
[11:27] <cheitozz_> jajaja, cuando los encuentres te vas de esta horgia XD
[11:27] <TongMaster> heh, is that the only .au you place you know, Tsjoklate ;)
[11:27] <dewy> TongMaster: It is where Miss Universe grew up =), It is near newcastle, you know newcastle?
[11:27] <jamesh> jdub: is that the only spanish you know?
[11:28] <Tsjoklate> all I could make out of that jdub is that you havve probs with your pants
[11:28] <jdub> cheitozz_: [ i don't speak spanish ;) ] 
[11:28] <jdub> jamesh: no
[11:28] <dewy> TongMaster: other direction, I am north Wagga Wagga is south
[11:28] <TongMaster> dewy, ah north, right. you should have come to code con, I had a bag full of CD's at Caves Beach, dewy :)
[11:28] <Tsjoklate> no I know heaps more TM :) Townsville Armadale
[11:28] <jdub> jamesh: but it is the only spanish i know that approaches usefulness as a sentence
[11:28] <dewy> where/when was that?
[11:28] <cheitozz_> nobody speak spanish?
[11:28] <cheitozz_> :(
[11:28] <Tsjoklate> not I cheitozz sorry
[11:28] <TongMaster> Tsjoklate, :) now which state is Armadale in?
[11:29] <dewy> where = where in caves beach, a hall?
[11:29] <dewy> Armidale is in NSW
[11:29] <Tsjoklate> well the Armadale I lived in was outside Perth
[11:29] <TongMaster> dewy, no a Marquee on the beach. Seaside hacking :)
[11:29] <Tsjoklate> are there more? lol
[11:29] <cheitozz_> sorry for my english
[11:29] <subterrific> dewy: I know newcastle brown ale very well, yes
[11:29] <dewy> TongMaster: will there be another one?
[11:29] <TongMaster> dewy, spoil sport, no armadale is in Victoria
[11:29] <dewy> oh
[11:29] <Tsjoklate> great beer sub
[11:29] <dewy> Well i went to a armidale in nsw once
[11:29] <cheitozz_> i want to learn a little about ubuntu
[11:29] <TongMaster> the devil is in the spelling ;)
[11:30] <subterrific> Tsjoklate: one of my favorites :)
[11:30] <Tsjoklate> but I had a friend living in wagga wagga.. always thought it was such a col name
[11:30] <jdub> cheitozz_: our spanish developer isn't here at the moment
[11:30] <spikeb> cheitozz_: you seem to type english just fine :)
[11:30] <Tsjoklate> cool even
[11:30] <Tsjoklate> mine too sub :)
[11:30] <jdub> cheitozz_: but we can help in english :)
[11:30] <dewy> TongMaster: I can't/arn't downloading Ubuntu because I am on 56k =(
[11:30] <TongMaster> Tsjoklate, there's a lot of cool names down Wagga Wagga way, my favourite is Grong Grong Matong
[11:30] <Tsjoklate> I am d/l it on 28 dewy
[11:30] <cheitozz_> jdub spanish developer exist no? thanks
[11:30] <Tsjoklate> be brave
[11:31] <Tsjoklate> Grong Grong Matong? lol where is that?
[11:31] <Tsjoklate> I love the expression woop woop land
[11:31] <jdub> cheitozz_: speak to carlos when he is here
[11:31] <cheitozz_> thank you
[11:31] <TongMaster> Tsjoklate, it's in the same region as Wagga Wagga.
[11:31] <mwh_> Hi, im trying to get monodoc-1.0.1 running on ubuntu, but it seems that it or gtk# needs libgtkhtml-3.0 instead of 3.1 which is on my system, can I install 3.0 along with 3.1? and how can I get the version 3.0 from a ubuntu deb package?
[11:31] <dewy> Tsjoklate: 28k modem?
[11:31] <dewy> wtf?
[11:31] <Tsjoklate> I have to ask my friend about that.. Grong Grong Matong.. sounds like a place I  need to go to one day
[11:32] <cheitozz_> jdub i can understand a little of english, but not very much
[11:32] <TongMaster> Tsjoklate, for the record, Grong Grong Matong is definately out at woop woop
[11:32] <Mayday_> wagga wagga is cool, but Woolloomooloo tops it.... but hmm Grong Grong Matong is even cooler
[11:32] <Tsjoklate> dewy: yes :)
[11:32] <jdub> cheitozz_: your english is better than my spanish! :)
[11:32] <dewy> I have always wanted to try debain and I thought since this has gnome on it (not a kde one (they are rare, the ones with out kde)) and it has some aussie developers I thought i might try ubuntu
[11:32] <Tsjoklate> as long as they have beer I think I'll be okay TM
[11:33] <cheitozz_> :D
[11:33] <dewy> Tsjoklate: I am 13, can't drink =P my connection also has a 5 hour session limit =(
[11:33] <Tsjoklate> Woolloomooloo lol
[11:33] <cheitozz_> jdub can talk to me about ubuntu?
[11:33] <chestie> mwh_, do you know about deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/ ./ ?
[11:33] <cheitozz_> i use guadalinex
[11:33] <Tsjoklate> so does mine dewy
[11:33] <Tsjoklate> it kicks me off every four hours
[11:33] <Tsjoklate> just resumes.. works for me
[11:33] <dewy> damb, where are you from?
[11:33] <dewy> are you on ozemal?
[11:34] <dewy> ozemail*
[11:34] <Tsjoklate> plus I live somewhere where they think it is funny to cut the power every twelve hours or so
[11:34] <Tsjoklate> <-- might aswell live in Grong Grong Matong
[11:34] <conekg> does ubuntu have ppp support in it's kernel? i get error 4 ppp module can not be loaded form pppd
[11:35] <mwh_> chestie: no, what is it?
[11:35] <subterrific> oh cool, mono...
[11:35] <subterrific> now i can learn C# and try out ironpython
[11:35] <subterrific> fun fun fun
[11:35] <dewy> Tsjoklate: lol at power =P sorry to hear, so it is a non auaie place?
[11:36] <cheitozz_> ciao, i come back tomorrow, thanks for all and sorry for my english
[11:36] <Tsjoklate> yeah not in OZ atm :|
[11:36] <Tsjoklate> I wish
[11:36] <cheitozz_> peace!
[11:36] <Tsjoklate> ttyl cheitozz
[11:36] <dewy> lol
[11:37] <chestie> mwh_, mono, monodoc is there
[11:37] <mwh_> chestie: ok, is it just mono stuff or is there other stuff as well
[11:37] <Tsjoklate> going to the UK for the winter then in the spring hopefully back to Sydney
[11:38] <mwh_> chestie: okay it seems to be mono only .. nice
[11:38] <TongMaster> Mayday_, we had our Debian meetings there every month for 2+ years (Woolloomolloo
[11:39] <thom> jdub: played with the industrial theme for firefox yet?
[11:39] <spikeb> there's an industrial theme for firefox?
[11:39] <yojimbo-san> I got a better X resolution - 1152x768 ... but it looks like I don't have an 'nv' module at all ... ?
[11:39] <thom> http://linuxart.com/log/archives/2004/09/20/industrial-for-firefox/
[11:39] <yojimbo-san> (sry, iMac 17" flatscreen with GeForce 440 card)
[11:39] <Mayday_> TongMaster: aah cool, i just passed thrue it once while visiting Sydney :)
[11:40] <jdub> thom: yeah, been using it for the last week
[11:40] <jdub> thom: certainly nicer than the normal one ;)
[11:40] <spikeb> hey that looks nice.
[11:41] <jdub> thom: might be worth pulling in, swapping some of the icons, and putting it up post-warty
[11:41] <thom> yeah
[11:41] <thom> humanisation :-)
[11:41] <mwh_> chestie: how do I add it with the graphical synaptic manager?
[11:42] <spikeb> f possible, you should really code a ?not for windows? into the theme. i tried it just for fun, and (as it was said before): a truckload of fake vomit looks better
[11:42] <spikeb> rofl
[11:42] <spikeb> great comment
[11:42] <jdub> thom: i like this concept ;)
[11:43] <subterrific> have you actually seen a truck load of fake vomit?
[11:43] <Tsjoklate> nice theme
[11:43] <spikeb> no
[11:43] <subterrific> cause i got one if you're curious
[11:43] <spikeb> only a boxfull
[11:43] <Tsjoklate> lol
[11:43] <Treenaks> jdub: what about the checkboxes in the default Ubuntu theme? imho it's not really clear if they're selected or not
[11:43] <jdub> Treenaks: agree, but not something we can change before release :)
[11:44] <jdub> Treenaks: do you mean in menus, or everywhere?
[11:45] <conekg> did anyone manage to connect to the ISP using the dial-up?
[11:45] <subterrific> Treenaks: for me, when i select one, it puts a check mark in the box
[11:45] <subterrific> Treenaks: or are you talking about something different?
[11:45] <conekg> i can not get pppd to work. i get error 4 can not load module
[11:46] <chestie> mwh_, uri http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/ distribution: ./ 
[11:46] <spikeb> ok be back in ubuntu
[11:46] <spikeb> or a minute
[11:46] <spikeb> heh
[11:46] <chestie> mwh_, seems to work, is that enough info?
[11:47] <mwh_> chestie: ahh ill try that 
[11:48] <Treenaks> jdub: uh, I think it was all checkboxes.. they all were "indented" or "outdented".. not "checked" or anything
[11:48] <Treenaks> jdub: and I understand the release thing :)
[11:48] <jdub> Treenaks: hrm, that's not the case in ubuntu's default theme
[11:48] <jdub> it has proper radio blobs and check marks
[11:48] <Treenaks> oh wait.. it might have been a gtk1 app
[11:49] <mwh_> chestie: works :o)
[11:49] <mwh_> chestie: is there a place with a listing of external repositories?
[11:49] <chestie> mwh_, rock ;)
[11:50] <chestie> mwh_, don't know, I only know about the mono one, probably best not to stray too far from the norm
[11:50] <Treenaks> jdub: I'll check it when I get home tonight
[11:51] <topyli> actually, gaim doesn't seem to suck very badly in irc like i thought
[11:53] <Tsjoklate> what don't you like about gaim topy?
[11:53] <topyli> i like it all right. i just thought it would be no good for irc. (and was wrong)
[11:55] <Tsjoklate> ah you are using irc through gaim right now?
[11:55] <topyli> yes. i saw it suggested on the ubuntu web pages :)
[11:56] <yojimbo-san> can someone with powerpc have a search through apt for an nvidia module? I can't find one at all ...
[11:56] <topyli> got to go to work! i'll be back when i get there :)
[11:57] <TongMaster> yojimbo-san, got some
[11:57] <TongMaster> yojimbo-san: nvidia-kernel-common - NVIDIA binary kernel module common files
[11:58] <Treenaks> TongMaster: does that work on powerpc?
[11:58] <TongMaster> nvclock - Allows you to overclock your nVidia card under GNU/Linux
[11:58] <TongMaster> nvclock-gtk - Allows you to overclock your nVidia card under GNU/Linux
[11:58] <TongMaster> nvclock-qt - Allows you to overclock your nVidia card under GNU/Linux
[11:58] <mjg59> yojimbo-san: There is no nvidia module for PPC
[11:58] <truk_away> TongMaster: don't repeeat
[11:58] <TongMaster> I'm a PPC user but ATI, not nvidia - so I have no idea.
[11:58] <mjg59> The kernel code supplied by nvidia contains x86 code
[11:58] <mjg59> They haven't released PPC drivers
[11:58] <TongMaster> truk_away, repeat what/
[11:59] <yojimbo-san> mjg: any idea what I should do with my iMac then/
[11:59] <truk_away> sorry, i read bad
[11:59] <jdub> yojimbo-san: window. unplug. whooosh!
[11:59] <yojimbo-san> (mjg - not from CLUG are you?)
[11:59] <yojimbo-san> jdub, my iMac never had Windows on it ... :-)
[11:59] <mjg59> yojimbo-san: Nope :)
[12:00] <TongMaster> truk_away, np's, they read similar don't they :)
[12:00] <mjg59> yojimbo-san: 2D should work fine, but if it has an nvidia then I'm afraid you're out of luck for 3D
[12:00] <Tsjoklate> got no choice if you want to play games
[12:00] <mjg59> Your best bet is to request drivers from nvidia. If enough people do, they may release some.
[12:00] <Tsjoklate> got to have winhole
[12:01] <yojimbo-san> Perhaps I should ask Apple for the nvidia drivers ... :-)
[12:01] <Tsjoklate> good luck :)
[12:01] <mjg59> But seriously, go to nvidia's site and file a request for them
[12:02] <mjg59> If enough people do, they may release some
[12:02] <mjg59> (Of course, it would be better if they released some specs, but...)
[12:02] <yojimbo-san> I have *something* working fine-ish at the moment, 1152x768, but I could do with 1440x900 (and then perhaps dual-screen?)
[12:02] <mjg59> Dual-screen is likely to be harder, but higher resolutions ought to be possible
[12:03] <mjg59> The Free drivers are happy enough to do decent resolutions
[12:03] <yojimbo-san> dual-screen isn't supposed to work on the iMacs, but it's just an OpenFirmware cofig item ... 
[12:04] <yojimbo-san> I guess I must be using the 'nv' driver now, even though it doesn't show up in lsmod?
[12:04] <mjg59> Yup
[12:04] <mjg59> The nv driver doesn't need any kernel support
[12:05] <mjg59> You only need kernel modules for 3D, in most cases
[12:05] <Tsjoklate> does anyone know how to fix samba in gnome?
[12:05] <Tsjoklate> I have a local network and when I click on a dir it says its a folder
[12:05] <mojo> u have to install Samba from Synaptic
[12:05] <mojo> there is a fix or update on Samba
[12:05] <mojo> make sure u grab it
[12:06] <Tsjoklate> alrighty, thanks mojo
[12:06] <yojimbo-san> thanks mjg, now all I have to do is hack the xfree config to do the resolution I want, I guess. asking dpkg-reconfigure doesn't work right.
[12:07] <mojo> anyone got trouble with Device Manager? I can't run it, all the times complain "hald not run" EVEN I already load that module hald
[12:07] <Treenaks> pbor: ll is just an alias for ls -l
[12:07] <yojimbo-san> $ ll()
[12:07] <yojimbo-san> > {
[12:07] <yojimbo-san> > ls -l $*
[12:07] <yojimbo-san> > }
[12:07] <plovs_> mojo, sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart
[12:07] <Lowe> Does anyone know a gui mounter? 
[12:08] <yojimbo-san> pop that into .bashrc pbor
[12:08] <mojo> plovs_: thx, let me try
[12:08] <pbor> Treenaks, yojimbo-san: yup. I know. No big deal... I'm just used to have it available by default
[12:08] <yojimbo-san> OK, time for me to go. Thanks for the help. guys
[12:09] <plovs_> Lowe, in: add to panel, Disk Mounter
[12:09] <mojo> plovs_: I did, but still get error "Could not get device list. Make sure hald is running". I'm wondering is it a bug?
[12:10] <plovs_> mojo, ps ax | grep hald ?
[12:10] <mojo> nope, hald not there
[12:10] <mojo> weird
[12:10] <mojo> /etc/init.d/hal start already run
[12:10] <plovs_> mojo, not good :(
[12:10] <mojo> when start up
[12:10] <mojo> I got hw_random service fail
[12:10] <plovs_> mojo, are you up-to-date ?
[12:10] <mojo> and I get comfimation it's a bug
[12:10] <mojo> yup
[12:10] <mojo> I do
[12:11] <Lowe> plovs_ doesn't seem very good..
[12:11] <mojo> any got hw_random fail when start?
[12:11] <plovs_> Lowe, I agree, better use pmount from the command line
[12:11] <Tsjoklate> what is this hal thing I keep reading about? something new?
[12:11] <Tsjoklate> what does it do? same with dusb?
[12:12] <mojo> hardware access layer - used to run Device Manager
[12:12] <mojo> it's a service
[12:12] <Lowe> meh but i don't know whats on what partiton so i don't know what one to mount o_0
[12:12] <Tsjoklate> is it new for 2.8?
[12:12] <Tsjoklate> and do you need it?
[12:13] <mjg59> mojo: hw_random is something that Intel removed from newer hardware
[12:13] <mjg59> There's no easy way of telling whether it's there or not without trying to load it, and on newer hardware it'll fail
[12:13] <mjg59> It's harmless - there's no need to worry about it
[12:15] <Lowe> anyone having problems with the package manager freezing up?
[12:17] <pitti> mojo: I know another guy who has the same problem
[12:18] <pitti> mojo: See mailing list, topic "Hal not running properly" from Sren Hauberg 
[12:18] <pitti> mojo: the very same error, so when I debugged the problem on his machine, yours should run fine, too
[12:20] <pitti> mojo, no, sorry, that was sb different: https://bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1450
[12:23] <pitti> mojo: can you tell me when exactly this hw_random service fail msg appears?
[12:26] <Cardador> can some ubuntu developer add the missing Lyx files to the repository? i really need Lyx!
[12:26] <Cardador> the missing files are: lyx-qt and lyx-xforms
[12:27] <daniels> Cardador: you can get those through universe, likely
[12:28] <Cardador> no, they arent available
[12:28] <Cardador> i have all the repositories ticked on synaptic
[12:29] <daniels> it's probably that they're not free
[12:32] <Lowe> and someone should add the missing depencys for mplayer aswell
[12:34] <Cardador> inclunding universe
[12:34] <Cardador> i guess all the devs are sleeping :)
[12:35] <peteog_wrk> there was also a dependency issue with the http://z42/de/debian/ apt source for Java - prolly not an ubuntu issue really but after adding the line to source and apt-get sunj2sdk1.5 sun-j2skd1.5debian it says j2sdk1.5 is unavailable
[12:35] <plovs_> daniels, E: Package lyx-qt has no installation candidate, I have universe, and it is in Debian (http://packages.debian.org/testing/editors/lyx-qt) , so it is free, I suppose
[12:36] <pitti> Cardador: can you please submit a bug about the broken lyx dependencies?
[12:37] <plovs_> are there any plans for splashboot stuff?
[12:37] <pitti> plovs_: yes, but it did not manage to go into Warty any more
[12:37] <pitti> plovs_: Hoary will have it
[12:38] <plovs_> pitti, will there be an equivalent of test or unstable for ubuntu? 
[12:38] <pitti> plovs_: yes, as soon as Warty is released, Hoary development begins
[12:38] <pitti> plovs_: you can just put hoary into your apt sources to get the latest crack
[12:38] <pitti> plovs_: we will also have sounder test CDs and daily built cds
[12:39] <plovs_> pitti, so far ubuntu is very utterly cool!
[12:39] <pitti> plovs_: thanks :-) I agree
[12:40] <plovs_> pitti, really un up-to-date debian beats any other distro hands-down (with the possible exception of gentoo, but that's a different beast)
[12:43] <plovs_> who is resposible for grub? I noticed memtest is in /boot but not in the grubmenu
[12:43] <mojo> plovs_: I have a module named toshiba_acpi start when boot, how can I remove this module from boot start?
[12:43] <plovs_> mojo, is it in /etc/modules ?
[12:44] <mojo> no, it's not there
[12:46] <_Hiro_> why can't gnome 1) put more than 4 workspace switchers in my applet 2) change my background?  :|
[12:46] <plovs_> mojo, let me check ...
[12:46] <mojo> _Hiro_: change background, right click and Change Backgroun
[12:47] <mojo> hiro,
[12:47] <mojo> for swticher, right click on the applet and choose Preferences
[12:47] <mojo> then change number of workspaces as u like
[12:47] <moyogo> mojo: clicking ok doesn't change anything!
[12:47] <mojo> weird! it'd be a bug
[12:48] <moyogo> mojo: indeed
[12:48] <mojo> my advice is
[12:48] <mojo> now
[12:48] <mojo> try to reinstall Ubuntu once again
[12:48] <_Hiro_> yes, duh ;)
[12:48] <mojo> update all
[12:48] <mojo> and try again
[12:48] <_Hiro_> but all of that doesn't work :P
[12:48] <mojo> if not work, must be bug, then y not submit those bugs?
[12:48] <moyogo> _Hiro_: actually, I can lower the amount of workspaces either, can you?
[12:48] <mojo> yup
[12:48] <_Hiro_> I'll try
[12:49] <moyogo> _Hiro_: can / can't
[12:49] <_Hiro_> no I can't
[12:49] <_Hiro_> it stays at 4 :|
[12:49] <_Hiro_> and the desktop satys at the ubuntu one :O
[12:49] <_Hiro_> horror
[12:49] <moyogo> _Hiro_: hehe, so we just can't change the number of workspaces then
[12:49] <mojo> yes It can
[12:49] <moyogo> _Hiro_: file a bug for both
[12:49] <mojo> I just decrease to 3 workspaces just now
[12:51] <moyogo> mojo: do you know what package is responsible for either workspace switcher, or background-properties?
[12:51] <Tsjoklate> gnome-panel
[12:51] <Tsjoklate> for the switcher isn't it
[12:51] <marquivon> hi. i today managed to boot the ubuntu netboot kernel from within redhat 9 and could see the installation screens too. but i wish to perform a NFS/FTP install instead of downloading from debian mirror. is it possible?
[12:52] <Tsjoklate> gnome-desktop for the background?
[12:52] <_Hiro_> I see I have an upgrade available to gnome-system-tools, maybe that'll do it ?
[12:52] <Tsjoklate> worth a try Hiro
[12:52] <moyogo> _Hiro_: dunno
[12:52] <_Hiro_> trying.. :)
[12:52] <_Hiro_> doesn't hurt
[12:52] <moyogo> I, for myself can upgrade anything at the moment, it's all the latest
[12:53] <marquivon> as right now it is giving me the option to only do it via a mirror or through a CD. i have the ISO with me as well as files extracted on a network
[12:56] <moyogo> wow... popping a blank cd in doesn't launch the burner anymore!
[12:56] <moyogo> :(
[12:57] <mjg59> moyogo: Hmm. Check the removable devices preferencs?
[12:57] <moyogo> mjg59: it worked on sunday
[12:57] <mjg59> The system that monitors this sort of thing is still sometimes a little flaky.
[12:58] <Tsjoklate> bad case of the mondays?
[12:58] <plovs_> mojo, does it actually breqak anything? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107199 says it just shows up but doesn't really do anything bad
[12:58] <mojo> talk about ISO and CD-RW, all GTK program are shit on CD-RW, sigh..
[12:58] <mjg59> pitti is probably the guy to talk to about it
[12:58] <mojo> ploves_: oh yeah
[12:58] <pitti> mjg59: for hal stuff, yes, but not particularly for gnome
[12:59] <plovs_> mojo, where does the error-message show up?
[12:59] <mojo> plovs: when it startt it's said there is FATAL ERR: blah blah
[12:59] <mojo> when boot the process
[12:59] <pitti> Hi Keybuk
[12:59] <Keybuk> morning
[12:59] <plovs_> mojo, but FATAL is nor really fatal-fatal more stupid-fatal? 
[12:59] <mojo> what log file in /var contain the log of boot process , plovs?
[01:00] <plovs_> mojo, just type dmesg  ( | less or | grep acp)
[01:01] <mojo> ok
[01:01] <mojo> plovs_: nah it dun break anything up, it just check the existence of toshiba_acpi if not it fail and ignore
[01:01] <mojo> nothing happen
[01:01] <mojo> but it's annoying
[01:02] <mojo> to fix it I do like this
[01:03] <mojo> I find a file named modules.dep or kernel.dep (sorri can't remeber the name)
[01:03] <mojo> and delete the line cotain toshiba_acpi, its bad way but it works with me, anyway I use desktop so it's uharm to remove that line
[01:04] <joebeastie> is there a public changelog for ubuntu?
[01:04] <jdub> joebeastie: the warty-changes list
[01:05] <joebeastie> oh. thanks jeff.
[01:05] <plovs_> mojo, it's a bug I'll file it, does anybody know who the kerenl-maintainer is?
[01:05] <joebeastie> that is the only noob question i will ask :)
[01:05] <marquivon> if i use debian image (netinst / netboot), will i be able to install ubuntu using NFS or FTP?
[01:06] <joebeastie> doh one more. does ubuntu use the new debian installer or their own incarnation?
[01:06] <plovs_> mojo, https://bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1451 it's already filed
[01:06] <Lowe> I think it's there own
[01:07] <jdub> joebeastie: a trimmed down d-i
[01:08] <joebeastie> well i guess i will go try it out then.
[01:08] <Lowe> I just upgraded gaim to 1.0, what exactly is new? or is it just loads of bug fixes
[01:09] <joebeastie> not to sure. check the changelog :)
[01:09] <seb128> mainly fixes the encoding issues
[01:10] <Lowe> I see..
[01:10] <Lowe> Anyone tried lamip? looks like it's going to be a good audio player.
[01:10] <seb128> the details is in /usr/share/doc/gaim/changelog.gz
[01:10] <Lowe> Alright i will have a look :)
[01:11] <joebeastie> gzip -cd /usr/share/doc/gaim/changelog.gz| more
[01:11] <Lowe> brb
[01:11] <sanxiyn> Is Ubuntu looking for Web forum/mailing list/news group gateway?
[01:11] <Mithrandir> joebeastie: or just zless /usr/share/doc/gaim/changelog.gz
[01:11] <joebeastie> Mithrandir: never used zless. thanks, i will have to remember that one
[01:13] <Lowe> Ubuntu forum would be great
[01:13] <joebeastie> i was actually just looking at the site to see if there was one
[01:14] <topyli> i'd like less to handle gzipped files intelligently. a wrapper shouldn't be hard to do.
[01:14] <sanxiyn> joebeastie: You can also specify "input preprocessor" for less.
[01:14] <joebeastie> jdub: you post today scared me at first. regarding the gnome release naming convetion
[01:14] <sanxiyn> topyli: It can be done. "man less" and search for "input preprocessor".
[01:14] <sanxiyn> topyli: It can be customized to no end.
[01:14] <joebeastie> sanxiyn: thanks
[01:15] <topyli> must have a look
[01:15] <Lowe> I really need to stop smoking..
[01:16] <topyli> quitting is easy. i've done it a dozen times already! :)
[01:16] <sanxiyn> joebeastie, topyli: You can even hook xlhtml/ppthtml + w3m to less for .ppt and .xls.
[01:16] <maswan> joebeastie: gnome has a release naming convention?
[01:16] <Lowe> topyli i only really smoke because im bored
[01:16] <Tsjoklate> lol
[01:16] <sanxiyn> (Works well for reading Powerpoints just for text.)
[01:17] <Tsjoklate> I feel you Lowe
[01:17] <topyli> sanxiyn: too cool almost :)
[01:18] <topyli> grr. gaim doesn't actually do logging even though i checked it on.
[01:18] <topyli> i think it only logs "buddy chats" or something
[01:18] <Lowe> mines wasn't doing autoreconnect, i hope it works in the new version.
[01:19] <joebeastie> maswan: checkout planet.gnome.org and scrol down time you see jeff's post.
[01:20] <maswan> joebeastie: oh. version numbering, not release names.
[01:21] <Tsjoklate> on that note: going to enjoy my last fag, go to bed and consider myself a none smoker by the time I get up.... hopefully my Ubuntu d/l will be finished.. would be a good reward :) toodlepip everybody! :)
[01:21] <maswan> jdub: btw, you forgot the sunos - solaris version number interaction. :)
[01:21] <sanxiyn> jdub: Is GNOME 10 real?
[01:22] <maswan> sanxiyn: read the entire post?
[01:23] <maswan> I'd suggest naming the first release each year by the year it was released. Like "GNOME 2005", then adding "SP1" for the next release that year, and so on.
[01:23] <sanxiyn> maswan: Sounds Gentoo?
[01:24] <Keybuk> I do like the Solaris patch release numbering though
[01:24] <Keybuk> Solaris 9 10/01, etc.
[01:25] <Kamion> Tsjoklat_away: re your earlier comments about people giving you the run-around, #debian is not exactly a shining example of usefulness in general
[01:26] <Kamion> Tsjoklat_away: most of the people with clue (apart from one or two heroes) can't deal with it since it's too busy and chattery, so they avoid it
[01:26] <Lowe> Is my site down, or is it just me who can't access it? http://www.crystalysis.com/
[01:26] <sanxiyn> Kamion: #debian is quite useful, AFAICT.
[01:26] <Kamion> sanxiyn: not IME
[01:26] <tseng> jdub: hey, check out my tomboy package. the dep on newer gtkspell is pretty valid this time, configure script fails on older
[01:26] <Kamion> if they stopped referring people to #debian-boot (which is a development channel) for installer help, it would be nice :P
[01:27] <Tsjoklat_away> you caught me just on the way out... like I said, I am not flaming anything or anyone.. I must have caught them on a bad day... just too bad it was a fortnight in a row
[01:27] <Tsjoklat_away> that they had bad days
[01:27] <Kamion> Tsjoklat_away: debian-user@lists.debian.org is generally far more useful than #debian
[01:27] <Tsjoklat_away> be back in a few hours cheers
[01:28] <sanxiyn> Kamion: Why? Quite some bugs were discovered by redirecting newbie installing Debian to #debian-boot, I think.
[01:28] <sanxiyn> Kamion: Mailing lists are more useful than IRC channel in general.
[01:28] <Lowe> mailing lists are annoying, i find forums more useful.
[01:28] <sanxiyn> Lowe: Why?
[01:29] <jdub> maswan: that was meant to be further hoax evidence.
[01:29] <jdub> maswan: unfortunately, it didn't stop a bunch of people emailing me.
[01:29] <kalis> Buhu! I have no sound! i ran alsaconf and it told me that i have 3 sound cards, i decided to use my SB Live card, the alsa mixer sets the volume levels, and then nothing. No /dev/dsp doesnt exist no more ;)
[01:29] <Kamion> sanxiyn: we (i.e. #debian-boot developers) would far rather they be directed to the mailing list; we need the IRC channel to be kept reasonably quiet so we can get on with development there
[01:29] <Kamion> sanxiyn: bug reports on IRC aren't such a good idea, as a general rule ... they get lost too easily
[01:29] <Lowe> I dunno lol
[01:30] <sanxiyn> Kamion: I hate forums without proper threading.
[01:30] <sanxiyn> Oops wrong person.
[01:30] <maswan> jdub: I started out getting a bit worried that there could be a real naming convention putting an end to such wonderful release names as "Alla sitter vi bastun" and so on. :)
[01:30] <Lowe> How would i change say the icons for .mp3
[01:31] <jdub> maswan: we don't do release names anymore anyway ;)
[01:31] <maswan> jdub: :~(
[01:31] <maswan> sanxiyn: I hate forums that require a web browser or any other graphical interface
[01:31] <joebeastie> heh
[01:31] <sanxiyn> Lowe: Right click on any .mp3 file on file browser, select "property" and then "custom icon".
[01:31] <sanxiyn> maswan: Same here.
[01:32] <sanxiyn> Lowe: Eh, wasn't that obvious? :-)
[01:32] <Lowe> Will that change all mp3's though?
[01:32] <housetier> people hate too much
[01:32] <Tsjoklat_away> Kamion: Debian is good, the help channels on irc not so good... I mean I saw ppl being banned for coming back from 'away' and changing their nicks... really
[01:32] <Tsjoklat_away> I really think they tainted the image debian has for newcomers
[01:32] <Lowe> Tsjoklat, that's harsh lol
[01:33] <Tsjoklat_away> tell me about it
[01:33] <sanxiyn> Lowe: Oops, it seems not, here in Debian w/ GNOME 2.6.
[01:33] <plovs_> let's ban Tsjoklat_away for saying he's away while he isn't :)
[01:34] <Tsjoklat_away> she :P
[01:34] <maswan> jdub: the release names were the best thing about gnome :)
[01:34] <Tsjoklat_away> Tsjoklat is very much a she.. another thing they ban you for in debian help if they find out
[01:34] <Tsjoklat_away> which they have
[01:34] <Tsjoklat_away> with me
[01:34] <Tsjoklat_away> LOL
[01:34] <Tsjoklat_away> tossers
[01:34] <Tsjoklat_away> anyhuuu... need to crash.. really! toodles
[01:35] <plovs_> Tsjoklat_away, a she! ban! ban! :)
[01:35] <sanxiyn> Today I had a very informative Internet Explorer vs. Mozilla discussion.
[01:35] <topyli> jdub: i guess there never was a release name with which everybody was happy. it's difficult
[01:36] <Tsjoklat_away> :P~~~
[01:36] <mojo> ;~)
[01:37] <mojo> :~o
[01:37] <mojo> :~}
[01:37] <mojo> :~|
[01:37] <jdub> maswan: they were fun for a while
[01:37] <sanxiyn> Someone said Mozilla sucks in that it doesn't do DNS lookup in the background and I disagreed.
[01:37] <jdub> maswan: thinking about having release codenames, ie. intead of talking about 'gnome 2.9', we'd talk about <blah>
[01:38] <maswan> jdub: true
[01:38] <jdub> maswan: just tp add some fuin back
[01:38] <laotse> sanxiyn the latest mozilla I believe tries to resolve ipv6 first
[01:38] <sanxiyn> laotse: That's one problem.
[01:38] <laotse> sanxiyn if you have ipv6 support enabled, but aren't using it, it slows things down
[01:39] <pisuke> hi. is there something like planet.ubuntulinux.com?
[01:39] <jdub> pisuke: on its way this week
[01:39] <pisuke> great. thx
[01:39] <sanxiyn> laotse: It's not that simple. Read Bugzilla #10733, #70213, #205726, #237582 for a start.
[01:40] <sanxiyn> laotse: That bug was there before IPv6 support was introduced.
[01:40] <topyli> hmm. my ubuntu has kernel 2.8 but docs only for 2.7
[01:40] <laotse> sanxiyn aaah ok, I'm not that up on the bugs
[01:40] <sanxiyn> (5 years old bug, possibly older.)
[01:40] <laotse> sanxiyn all I know is, I use firefox, and it works great
[01:41] <Kamion> Tsjoklat_away: personally, I'd much rather Debian stopped recommending #debian in any kind of public-facing place, just because it's so dreadful
[01:41] <sanxiyn> laotse: Doesn't it hang on doing unresolvable DNS lookup on some ad-heavy sites?
[01:41] <sanxiyn> laotse: Clsoing the offending tab *doesn't* work. It still slows down browsing on other tabs.
[01:41] <Treenaks> sanxiyn: some DNS servers don't reply.. to AAAA queries... most notably allmusic.com (doubleclick seems fixed..)
[01:42] <jdub> Kamion: heh, how about a #dhelp? ;)
[01:42] <sanxiyn> Treenaks: I don't know much, but IE has no problem. :-)
[01:42] <laotse> sanxiyn I block advertisements, so not sure on that one
[01:42] <Kamion> jdub: reminds me way too much of a certain package :)
[01:42] <sanxiyn> (even with +IPv6.)
[01:42] <laotse> sanxiyn wouldn't surprise me though; everything has bugs
[01:43] <Treenaks> sanxiyn: maybe because IE looks for IPv4 first, and falls back to ipv6, while firefox does it the other way around? or maybe it does an A and an AAAA query in parallel... someting like that
[01:43] <joebeastie> doh. one problem encounter so far. it is a debian installer problem and not a ubuntu problem though
[01:44] <Kamion> joebeastie: bring it on
[01:44] <Kosai> Treenaks: AAAA has precedence in most resolvers.
[01:44] <joebeastie> well two. installer does not ask for the essid when setting up a wireless network and two the grub config tool did not automatically find my openbsd installation.
[01:45] <joebeastie> the new grub-setup tool in slackware current does find and name my openbsd partition correctly in menu.lst
[01:45] <Kamion> joebeastie: it tries the 'any' essid first, and if that works it just goes ahead and uses it
[01:45] <Kamion> joebeastie: the code to detect BSD filesystems just doesn't exist right now, I'm afraid
[01:46] <Kamion> Alastair McKinstry started to write it but apparently never finished
[01:46] <joebeastie> Kamion: well you might be right there. my nieghbor has a wap up and is not wep and dhcp so that might conflicted with mine
[01:46] <Kamion> I'll have to have a look at grub-setup then and see if we can use its code in os-prober
[01:46] <joebeastie> Kamion: i am going to tell him sooner or later about fixing his netowrk
[01:46] <Kamion> is it sanely licensed?
[01:46] <joebeastie> Kamion: it is in slack so no idea
[01:47] <Kamion> joebeastie: any idea where I can find it? I don't know slackware
[01:47] <Kamion> nor BSD, for that matter ...
[01:47] <joebeastie> Kamion: yea hold on a sec
[01:50] <Keybuk> jdub: Garrett's Firefox Industrial theme is sweet!  Can we ship with it?  Can we?  Can we? :p
[01:53] <jdub> Keybuk: i don't really want to put it on the critical path
[01:53] <jdub> Keybuk: but we can integrate our icons into it and put it up for warty users
[01:53] <jdub> Keybuk: and then fold it into hoary
[01:54] <joebeastie> Kamion: ok i found out they do not use their own tool but rather a tool from someone else. you can find that said tool here: http://www.tux.org/pub/people/kent-robotti/looplinux/index.html - grubconfig is at the bottom
[01:55] <Kamion> joebeastie: thanks
[01:55] <joebeastie> Kamion: welcome
[01:57] <Kamion> ew, grubconfig just greps fdisk -l output basically
[01:57] <Kamion> was hoping for something cleverer :)
[02:00] <Kamion> os-prober prefers to work by looking for characteristics of the actual filesystem, which tends to be safer
[02:01] <Lowe> anyone having problems changing themes?
[02:04] <mojo> pitti
[02:04] <mojo> it works, u FIXED hald!
[02:04] <mojo> you're great!
[02:12] <nomar> Hi there. Does anyone know how I can install ubuntu without CD boot.
[02:12] <lucas_> hi
[02:13] <ggi> nomar: Do you have a floppy drive you can boot from?
[02:13] <nomar> yes.
[02:13] <Kamion> unfortunately we don't currently support floppy installs
[02:13] <Kamion> netboot is an option, if you can do that
[02:14] <Kamion> I'll be trying to support installs from a USB stick by the time we release
[02:14] <ggi> nomar: Do you have a CD drive, just not a bootable one?
[02:14] <Kamion> floppies are a bit more uncertain
[02:14] <nomar> I have a CD drive yes.
[02:15] <nomar> How much work is a net boot?
[02:16] <ggi> nomar: Try Smart Boot Manager. I know it's on the FreeDOS install floppy image, so I guess you could grab that.
[02:17] <rcaskey> is  there an Ubuntu planet around anywhere
[02:17] <nomar> I'll try that ggi - cheers.
[02:17] <housetier> yeah smart boot manager has helped me too
[02:18] <Kamion> rcaskey: not yet, will be
[02:19] <pisuke> ubuntu planet is becoming a faq :-)
[02:20] <Lowe> help me ;_;
[02:20] <Lowe> "i have detected a panel already running and will now close"
[02:20] <Lowe> My panels are gone ;_;
[02:21] <Lowe> I'm going to make some coffee. leave me a message if you know how to fix it
[02:22] <topyli> Lowe: just start another. if it complains you must have a panel process still running and you have to kill it.
[02:31] <Lowe> How do i do that 
[02:32] <topyli> kill: 'killall gnome-panel". start new: 'gnome-panel &'
[02:33] <Lowe> How do i open up a terminal though? since it was on the panel Im to used to the gui lol)
[02:33] <topyli> right click the desktop
[02:34] <Lowe> kill command not found o_0
[02:34] <topyli> killall should be there on any sane system
[02:35] <Lowe> alright it's loaded but...
[02:35] <Lowe> It has little x icons over the place
[02:36] <topyli> the panel? you've invented the X applet ;)
[02:36] <Lowe> *wonders if it will go back to normal if i log out again*
[02:36] <topyli> what if you right click the panel, do you get a reasonable menu?
[02:37] <Lowe> yes
[02:37] <Lowe> it's actually only two icons that do it
[02:37] <topyli> i'd get rid of them and make new ones.
[02:37] <Lowe> How come when i close the terminal it closes the panels
[02:37] <topyli> you forgot the & which puts the process in the background
[02:38] <Lowe> But i never
[02:38] <topyli> hmm
[02:38] <Lowe> then again maybe i did
[02:38] <Lowe> It works now lol. Thank you
[02:39] <topyli> \o/
[02:39] <Tsjoklat> 27%
[02:40] <nomar> Hello again. I noticed that when I installed epiphany it has a winge when I try and run it untill I log out and back in again. Any ideas?
[02:40] <Treenaks> winge?
[02:41] <nomar> By the way, smart boot manager is great, worked a treat.
[02:41] <nomar> Cheers!
[02:41] <ggi> nomar: Grand.
[02:41] <Lowe> Why do you want epiphany anyway, firefox pwns it!
[02:42] <nomar> It's a bit lighter and a bit more integrated. It's also a bit improved in Gnome 2.8.
[02:42] <Lowe> ah ok :)
[02:42] <topyli> epiphany is nice once you get used to the bookmark system :)
[02:43] <nomar> bookmark system is now much improved.
[02:43] <Tsjoklat> never used ff but going to with that new theme
[02:43] <Lowe> ff is an awesome browser.
[02:43] <topyli> nomar: yep. still, i couldn't reuse my 1 million galeon bookmarks
[02:44] <Tsjoklat> better then mozilla?
[02:44] <peteog_wrk> any plans to make a ubuntu theme for firefox? like the industrial theme garret wrote?
[02:44] <Lowe> of course
[02:44] <Lowe> mozilla is crap compared to ff
[02:44] <nomar> I wouldn't go that far! 8-)
[02:44] <Tsjoklat> mozilla is a drag
[02:44] <topyli> mozilla is solid. it's just a bit big
[02:44] <Tsjoklat> and ugly
[02:45] <Lowe> Firefox, is fast, secure and looks nice what else do you need?
[02:45] <Tsjoklat> not much :)
[02:45] <topyli> proper gnomifications?
[02:45] <pisuke> mozilla.org should be working on GRE instead of marketting ff. imho gnome needs GRE like there's not tomorrow
[02:45] <Tsjoklat> that's what I liked the most of XD2
[02:45] <Lowe> Tsjoklat seriously try it, you wont be dissapointed
[02:46] <Tsjoklat> the intergration
[02:46] <topyli> gre?
[02:46] <pisuke> gecko runtime environment
[02:46] <Tsjoklat> I will Lowe, it comes standard doesn't it
[02:46] <topyli> ah. yep, mozilla dependency sucks too badly.
[02:47] <Tsjoklat> I do like the look of the human theme
[02:47] <peteog_wrk> yeah that theme is nice :)
[02:48] <Tsjoklat> it is hard to find a brownish theme that looks good
[02:48] <Tsjoklat> it is all either blue or macish
[02:48] <Lowe> It's the default browser in Ubuntu
[02:50] <Tsjoklat> I was thinking of using Charmel for ff but I think I'll go with Garret's theme
[02:51] <peteog_wrk> Garrett really does do some good stuff
[02:51] <Tsjoklat> I was blown away by the screenshots
[02:51] <Tsjoklat> didn't think it was possible to make it look that good
[02:51] <Tomcat_> I just noticed my Ubuntu backup doesn't have any files in /dev... do you think it will work to install a new one, then copy the backup over it?
[02:51] <topyli> the ubuntu gdm theme lacks a clock.
[02:51] <Lowe> Worst browser is IE (duh) but Konqueror comes a close second *awaits insults*
[02:51] <Mitario> hey everyone
[02:52] <Tsjoklat> I had major issues with konqueror Lowe
[02:52] <Tsjoklat> open more then three tabs and it craps out.. you had that problem?
[02:52] <Tsjoklat> hi Mitario
[02:52] <peteog_wrk> bah - lunch time over time back to Visual Studio C#.NET coding :)
[02:53] <ickyGoat> .
[02:54] <Lowe> I had a lot of problems with it
[02:54] <Lowe> Not to mention the speed, dog slow.
[02:55] <Tsjoklat> the only thing I did like about it was the good resume
[02:55] <Lowe> To be honest i don't like KDE at all either.
[02:55] <Lowe> Sure it looks nice, but looks aren't everything.
[02:55] <Tsjoklat> but so far I have been unable to get any kde prog to work right :{
[02:57] <Tsjoklat> I think Gnome looks ten times nicer
[02:57] <Tsjoklat> not so glossy and over the top
[02:58] <Lowe> Yeah actually i think gnome looks nicer aswell
[02:58] <Lowe> Plus it performs great
[02:58] <Lowe> I only hae 256mb ram and it's still great lol
[02:59] <mwh_> Hi, I noticed that ubuntu uses gnome-system-tools, but only some of it .. like I was looking for a way to setup services
[02:59] <Tsjoklat> so far I have gotten everything I ever wanted to work with Gnome.. that's good enough for me
[02:59] <mwh_> what is the prefered way to setup services?
[02:59] <mwh_> I have rm'd some of the links in /etc/rc*
[02:59] <Tsjoklat> the main reason why I went for Gnome at the time was gtktalog
[02:59] <mwh_> but after an upgrade some of them came back .. thats not nice
[03:00] <lucas_> mwh_: use update-rc.d
[03:00] <Tsjoklat> I could not find anything workable in kde
[03:00] <mwh_> ahh
[03:00] <lucas_> I don't think you can avoid that
[03:00] <Tsjoklat> glad I did, never looked back
[03:00] <ich> hi
[03:00] <ich> does someone got a actuell amule release (2 rc5 maybe) for ubuntu?
[03:01] <mwh_> btw, anyone know why gnome-system-tools for ubuntu is missing some tools?
[03:02] <topyli> ich: amule 1.2.6+rc5-2.1 perhaps?
[03:02] <mwh_> lucas_: I hope that will be fixed .. when I get the time ill write a bug-report about it
[03:02] <ich> i mean the acutal one on the webpage,
[03:02] <ich> but i loaded the one through apt-get buts its the old one 1.2.6
[03:02] <ich> i would like the "new" one
[03:03] <nomar> Where is the gnome services tool?
[03:03] <seb128> not here
[03:03] <ich> i wanted to compile it, but i get an error, if you want i can post it (the error message).
[03:04] <topyli> ich: dunno. you can show the message, sure
[03:05] <topyli> never heard of amule before :)
[03:05] <ich> ok, wait
[03:05] <Lowe> Where is the file types and programs prefrences tool? i can't seem to find it
[03:06] <mwh_> lucas_: it seems to only be able to set if the service should start or stop in a given set of runlevels, not to remove it from runlevels
[03:06] <ich> happens at ./configure
[03:06] <ich> " Which libraries should aMule use?
[03:06] <ich>                                        wxWidgets          Not detected
[03:06] <ich>                                        GTK                Not detected
[03:06] <ich>   NOTICE: With wxWidgets versions prior 2.5, you need wxBase library to compile:          amuleweb amulecmd and alcc
[03:06] <ich> "
[03:07] <lucas_> install the -dev packages for those libs
[03:07] <ich> where?
[03:07] <lucas_> where what ?
[03:07] <topyli> ich: just apt-get them
[03:07] <ich> apt-get cant find gtk-devel
[03:07] <lucas_> yeah
[03:07] <lucas_> that's why I said -dev
[03:07] <lucas_> not -devel :)
[03:07] <ich> cant find dev too
[03:08] <Tsjoklat> did an apt-get file?
[03:08] <ich> i mean gtk-dev
[03:08] <ich> ?
[03:08] <Tsjoklat> or an apt-file search?
[03:08] <lucas_> apt-cache search gtk dev |grep libgtk
[03:08] <JanneM> Kamion: congratulations, the resize bug is real after all
[03:08] <lucas_> -> libgtk2.0-dev
[03:08] <Tsjoklat> apt has a tool, file something, that makes you able to search for a file... so it tells you in what package it is located
[03:08] <ich> yes, found it
[03:09] <ich> oh, much packs with gtk
[03:09] <lucas_> Tsjoklat: dpkg -S, but it only works for installed packages
[03:09] <ich> ganna try libgtk2.0-dev
[03:09] <Tsjoklat> if I would do a libglade.so it will tell me where it is
[03:09] <Mitario> seb128, you here?
[03:09] <seb128> yes
[03:09] <Tsjoklat> no not dpkg Lucas
[03:09] <Mitario> seb128, trashapplet component is added to bugzilla, so if you want to report bugs, it's now possible :)
[03:09] <lucas_> Tsjoklat: I'm interested if you can tell me the command then
[03:09] <Mitario> e.g. migrate the ubuntu bugs to upstream bugzilla
[03:09] <Lowe> Anyone know where i can find the file types tool? it's supposed to be in gnome did Ubuntu take it out perhaps?
[03:09] <Tsjoklat> apt-get install apt-file
[03:09] <ich> oh, hed found it, installs it
[03:09] <seb128> Mitario: yes, I've noticed, I'm just entering the first right now :p
[03:10] <Tsjoklat> apt-file update
[03:10] <Mitario> ok, great :)
[03:10] <ich> 20s
[03:10] <Tsjoklat> then you can do an apt-file search
[03:10] <lucas_> ok thanks
[03:10] <Tsjoklat> don't forget to do apt-file update
[03:10] <Tsjoklat> otherwise you won't get the database and you still can't search
[03:11] <ich> still cant find gtk
[03:11] <ich> cant find wxWidgets through apt-file searcg
[03:11] <Tsjoklat> and if apt-file update fails.. it will do it over again.. just letting you know
[03:11] <Tsjoklat> and it's HUGE
[03:12] <Tsjoklat> did you do the database update ich?
[03:12] <ich> yes
[03:12] <ich> doin it just again
[03:12] <Tsjoklat> let me try hold
[03:12] <mojo> will yum break apt-get if installed?
[03:13] <ich> done ,it
[03:13] <Tsjoklat> it is in kdedevelop2-data ich
[03:13] <Tsjoklat> oops 3
[03:13] <ich> ok, gonna install it
[03:13] <Tsjoklat> kdedevelop3-data
[03:13] <Tsjoklat> that's what my deb box comes up with
[03:13] <topyli> mojo: why would you want yum on ubuntu?
[03:13] <Tsjoklat> when I do an apt-file search for wxWidgets
[03:14] <ich> cant find kdedevelop3-data
[03:14] <ich> cant find apt-file
[03:14] <mojo> yum is...somehow..I just have been using yum since..now migrate to Ubuntu, things get different
[03:14] <Kinnison> ich: apt-cache search
[03:14] <ich> oh, gonna install apt-file
[03:14] <Tsjoklat> ich you have to install apt-file
[03:14] <Tsjoklat> apt-get install apt-file
[03:14] <Tsjoklat> apt-file update
[03:14] <ich> have done that
[03:14] <Tsjoklat> apt-file search "name" without the "
[03:15] <topyli> mojo: it's different. i didn't know yum does debian packages.
[03:15] <Tsjoklat> not apt-get update
[03:15] <Tsjoklat> APT-FILE update
[03:15] <ich> does nothin, i gave it the command, does nothin
[03:15] <ich> wait
[03:15] <ich> :)
[03:15] <ich> found it
[03:15] <Tsjoklat> well then I am running dry.. any devs in  here that can shed some light on the apt-file issue?
[03:16] <ich> he loads somethin through wget
[03:16] <ich> wait..........
[03:16] <Tsjoklat> yeah a database
[03:16] <Kamion> JanneM: hmm?
[03:16] <ich> O:-)
[03:16] <Tsjoklat> a huge one
[03:16] <Tsjoklat> don't stop it! or it has to do it again
[03:16] <ich> 6mb
[03:16] <ich> 17s
[03:16] <Tsjoklat> we'll get there.. ich und dich lol
[03:17] <ich> ?
[03:17] <ich> oh, another one
[03:17] <Tsjoklat> yes it takes a while
[03:17] <ich> >:o
[03:17] <Tsjoklat> just let it go
[03:17] <Tsjoklat> you only do it once in a while
[03:17] <ich> ok
[03:17] <topyli> exciting!
[03:18] <ich> gonna come back when it complete
[03:18] <JanneM> Kamion: partitioner refuses to resize
[03:18] <ich> so thx, ciao
[03:18] <Tsjoklat> like every six months when you change the battery of your smoke detector
[03:18] <Tsjoklat> lol
[03:18] <Tsjoklat> toodles
[03:18] <ich> lol
[03:19] <mwh_> I cant seem to find a rc.local file in ubuntu to run my local stuff .. is this a bug?
[03:19] <ich> ready
[03:20] <Tsjoklat> are you on speedy connection? must be
[03:20] <ich> yeah!!!!!!!
[03:20] <topyli> mwh_:  you can create one i guess
[03:20] <Tsjoklat> alrighty do an apt-file search wxwidgets
[03:20] <ich> thats nice
[03:20] <Tsjoklat> or whatever it was/is
[03:20] <Tsjoklat> what is? apt-file?
[03:20] <ich> wait...
[03:21] <ich> does nothin
[03:21] <mwh_> topyli: I mean will it be executed if I do?
[03:21] <ich> nothing comes up
[03:21] <Tsjoklat> what did you type?
[03:21] <housetier> mwh_, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[03:21] <mwh_> ahh
[03:21] <ich> apt-file search wxWidgets
[03:21] <mwh_> housetier: thanks
[03:21] <Tsjoklat> type lower cases
[03:21] <Tsjoklat> wxwidgets
[03:21] <Tsjoklat> that worked for me
[03:21] <ich> wait...
[03:21] <ich> oh
[03:21] <Tsjoklat> and it came back with KDEdevelop3-data
[03:22] <ich> yes youre right
[03:22] <ich> but its kdevelop3-data, not kde
[03:22] <Tsjoklat> ah sorry tad early for an old bat such as myself
[03:22] <ich> gonna install it through apt-get
[03:22] <ich> wow, damn!
[03:22] <Tsjoklat> sorry sorry
[03:22] <mwh_> housetier: it doesnt seem to be want I want
[03:22] <ich> >:o
[03:22] <Tsjoklat> apt-file is your friend ich
[03:23] <mwh_> housetier: I look for a file which would be run after all the others
[03:23] <Tsjoklat> helped me so many times
[03:23] <ich> it has to get 30mb of files, and 100mb discspace are needed
[03:23] <Tsjoklat> apt is a rock solid monster
[03:23] <ich> yes, gonna need this now, thx tsjoklat
[03:23] <Tsjoklat> well must be huge lol
[03:23] <Tsjoklat> but if that is what you need
[03:23] <ich> yes
[03:23] <ich> 5min
[03:24] <ich> gonna work some while its loading, come back later, thx
[03:24] <Tsjoklat> your most welcome :)
[03:24] <ich> ciao
[03:24] <Tsjoklat> cheers
[03:24] <Tsjoklat> :)
[03:24] <Tsjoklat> told you we would fix it, ich und dich
[03:24] <Tsjoklat> lol
[03:24] <Tsjoklat> getting old Tsjoklat... really
[03:25] <mxpxpod> hello all
[03:25] <housetier> mwh_, hmmm I don't know of a script that is called after all the others. so you'd have to create one yourself and set the runlevels yourself (update-rc.d will help you [on debian at least] )
[03:26] <mwh_> housetier: yes, its okay, I hope that ubuntu will ship with the rest of the gnome-system-tools, perticular this tool: http://www.gnome.org/projects/gst/screenshots/runlevel.jpg
[03:27] <mwh_> and this would not be bad to have either:
[03:27] <mwh_> http://www.gnome.org/projects/gst/screenshots/boot.jpg
[03:27] <jdub> mwh_: not in warty.
[03:27] <jdub> mwh_: unlikely we'd ship them as they are at the moment.
[03:27] <dalderman> thom, hey dude, dan from Guadec here
[03:28] <thom> hey dude
[03:28] <thom> howait?
[03:28] <dalderman> howait?
[03:28] <thom> i was aiming for howzit, but obviously not too sucessfully
[03:28] <ich> ready
[03:28] <dalderman> lol
[03:28] <dalderman> not too bad
[03:29] <dalderman> bones don't like this weather, but nursey will be here tomorrow to make me all better :-)
[03:29] <ich> so, what now?
[03:29] <ich> lets configure again...
[03:29] <dalderman> thom, do you have access to ubuntu bugzilla?  I requested an account but haven't had an email with a password
[03:29] <ich> doesnt find wxwidgets
[03:29] <ich> damnnnnnnnnnnnn
[03:30] <thom> dalderman: what email addy?
[03:30] <dalderman> d.alderman@180sw.com
[03:30] <ich> :-[
[03:30] <Tsjoklat> perhaps you need to point it at the dir kdevelop is in
[03:31] <Tsjoklat> is one able to play mp3s in Ubuntu or not?
[03:31] <dalderman> I may have trypod, but didn't want to create duplicates so thought I'd ask
[03:31] <ich> yes, im able
[03:31] <Tsjoklat> with xmms?
[03:31] <topyli> ich: without amule, how are we going to get all our linux warez ;)
[03:31] <Tsjoklat> or what player do you use
[03:31] <ich> i sue rhytmbox, xmms and beep-media-player
[03:32] <ich> but dont use alsa, try oss, or if possible esound
[03:32] <ich> yes topyli :)
[03:32] <Tsjoklat> you can't use alsa on Ubuntu?
[03:33] <thom> we recommend that you use esd
[03:33] <ich> it doesnt work very well, all system sound work over it, i use oss for music so nothin becomes blocked
[03:33] <treyh0> alsa is used already cause its part of kernel 2.6
[03:33] <ich> yes i recommend esd too, shityy alsa...
[03:33] <jdub> Tsjoklat: we use the alsa drivers, but set apps to use esd to talk to oss emulation (more stable than the alsa libraries)
[03:33] <ich> please, help me with my problem :-/
[03:33] <Tsjoklat> wow never knew that, thought alsa was great
[03:34] <ich> no, it isnt
[03:34] <Tsjoklat> but I haven't run a 2.6 kernel.. still stuck on 2.4
[03:34] <topyli> but xgalaga doesn't like sound daemons :)
[03:34] <jdub> Tsjoklat: it is, but the libs are not well exposed yet :-)
[03:34] <ich> :)
[03:34] <ich> but lets use esd
[03:34] <Tsjoklat> good to know I have to point to esd or oss
[03:34] <Tsjoklat> I am not too crazy about gstreamer though
[03:34] <Tsjoklat> is that something Ubuntu uses?
[03:34] <ich> please help me folks
[03:35] <ich> dont know @tso...
[03:35] <ich> youre name is nice to type
[03:35] <Tsjoklat> what is the error you get? ich?
[03:35] <thom> ich: what problem?
[03:35] <housetier> ich what is your problem again?
[03:35] <ich> the same as at the satr, it doenst find wxwidgets and gtk
[03:35] <thom> it?
[03:35] <ich> wait, ill send you the readme, cant really follow it?
[03:36] <thom> tell us what you want to do
[03:36] <Tsjoklat> totem would not compile unless I uncheck gstreamer.. works great on xine
[03:36] <ich> i want to compile amule 2.rc5
[03:36] <Tsjoklat> is that a sharing client thingy?
[03:36] <_Hiro_> freudian slip, I just tried to go to ubountylinux.org. I must be hungry :P
[03:36] <Tsjoklat> isn't amule based on kdelibs?
[03:37] <ich> dont know
[03:37] <ich> but heres naother prob:
[03:37] <aitrus> i used synaptic to install XMMS, but when i try to run it, it says "libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared obeject file..."
[03:37] <ich> "Preconfiguring packages ...
[03:37] <ich> (Lese Datenbank ... 74477 Dateien und Verzeichnisse sind derzeit installiert.)
[03:37] <ich> Entpacke wxwin2.4-headers (aus .../wxwin2.4-headers_2.4.2.4ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von /var/cache/apt/archives/wxwin2.4-headers_2.4.2.4ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[03:37] <ich>  versuche /usr/include/wx/gtk/accel.h zu berschreiben, welches auch in Paket wxgtk-devel ist
[03:37] <ich> dpkg-deb: Unterprozess paste gettet mit Signal (Datenbergabe unterbrochen (broken pipe))
[03:37] <ich> Fehler traten auf beim Bearbeiten von:
[03:37] <ich>  /var/cache/apt/archives/wxwin2.4-headers_2.4.2.4ubuntu1_i386.deb
[03:37] <ich> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:37] <ich> "
[03:37] <ich> ok, its german, excuse me
[03:37] <housetier> ich, you should only need one of those packages
[03:37] <ich> how can i remove one?
[03:38] <housetier> ich, either -devel or -headers
[03:38] <housetier> apt-get remove <package> or use synaptic
[03:38] <ich> gonna remove headers how
[03:38] <ich> ?
[03:38] <ich> which one to remove
[03:38] <Tsjoklat> headers look old
[03:38] <Tsjoklat> 2.4??
[03:38] <Tsjoklat> should have atleast 2.5 right?
[03:39] <ich> have removed it
[03:40] <ich> how to get amule working?
[03:41] <housetier> #amule will help
[03:41] <ich> ?
[03:41] <housetier> basically its configure, make, make install, run
[03:41] <ich> doesnt work
[03:41] <thom> what is the error from configure?
[03:42] <topyli> ich: amule isn't everything. get something that works ;)
[03:42] <housetier> ich, please don't say "doesnt work" but tell us the error message
[03:42] <ich> eroor:
[03:42] <ich> Crypto++ library/headers style?                          mdk_suse_fc
[03:42] <ich>   Which libraries should aMule use?
[03:42] <ich>                                        wxWidgets          Not detected
[03:42] <ich>                                        GTK                Not detected
[03:42] <ich>   NOTICE: With wxWidgets versions prior 2.5, you need wxBase library to compile:          amuleweb amulecmd and alcc
[03:42] <housetier> ich, people hate it when they have to make wild guesses, so tell them al the dirty details
[03:42] <ich> so ill have to get GTK and wxWidgets
[03:43] <thom> ich: you need libgtk2.0-dev
[03:43] <housetier> ich, you will need the corresponding -devel packages 
[03:43] <housetier> or -dev
[03:43] <Tsjoklat> dumb question but did you read on the website what the requirments are?
[03:43] <Tsjoklat> If you dont know how to install/compile aMule, take a look at the HOWTO first!!
[03:43] <ich> ill show it to you:
[03:43] <Tsjoklat> on their site
[03:43] <ich> WAIT!
[03:44] <ich> i did, tried evrythin.
[03:44] <ich> didnt got it
[03:44] <ich> ill show you what deps it has
[03:44] <ich> wait
[03:44] <aitrus> is there an install history for synaptic?
[03:44] <ich> ...
[03:44] <topyli> they say it's unstable. perhaps it won't compile at all :)
[03:44] <Tsjoklat> Download mirror for aMule releases can be found here (when the default links are down): aMule 2.0.0rc5 , aMule 1.2.8 and all other packages like wx*, gd, utils here. Have fun ;-)
[03:45] <Tsjoklat> ich.. you really need to go to their site
[03:45] <Tsjoklat> it gives you links to get all the libs you need
[03:45] <Tsjoklat> unless you have it all... nothing anyone can do
[03:45] <ich> but htats all rpm, i need debs
[03:45] <Tsjoklat> use alien
[03:45] <Tsjoklat> convert 'em into debs
[03:46] <ich> gonna do it
[03:46] <housetier> oh boy
[03:46] <Tsjoklat> http://www.amule.org/wiki/index.php/Compilation_Installation
[03:46] <andred> Has anyone ran into the Trash applet crashing? It's died twice for me.
[03:46] <Tsjoklat> http://www.amule.org/amule/mirror/
[03:46] <ich> IM ON THAT SITE
[03:47] <Tsjoklat> I am closing this amule thingy ich
[03:47] <Tsjoklat> I already see I will not like this one bit
[03:47] <ich> ?
[03:47] <Tsjoklat> well follow the instructions I would say
[03:47] <Chiavix> hi there
[03:47] <Tsjoklat> get the files, RTM and that's about it
[03:48] <Tsjoklat> I think there are better sharing clients then amule ich, that's what I meant
[03:48] <ich> which ones?
[03:48] <Tsjoklat> gnutella
[03:48] <ich> gonna try it
[03:48] <ich> heres a new error one:
[03:48] <ich> kruemmel@ubuntu ~ $ sudo dpkg -i wxgtk_2.4.2-2_i386.deb
[03:48] <ich> (Lese Datenbank ... 74706 Dateien und Verzeichnisse sind derzeit installiert.)
[03:48] <ich> Entpacke wxgtk (aus wxgtk_2.4.2-2_i386.deb) ...
[03:48] <ich> dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von wxgtk_2.4.2-2_i386.deb (--install):
[03:48] <ich>  versuche /usr/share/wx/2.4/afm/Cour.afm zu berschreiben, welches auch in Paket libwxgtk2.4 ist
[03:48] <ich> dpkg-deb: Unterprozess paste gettet mit Signal (Datenbergabe unterbrochen (broken pipe))
[03:48] <ich> Fehler traten auf beim Bearbeiten von:
[03:48] <ich>  wxgtk_2.4.2-2_i386.deb
[03:49] <Tsjoklat> this amule... well the bunny is cute but that's about it
[03:49] <mwh_> jdub: anyways I look forward to have them :)
[03:49] <mojo> hi
[03:49] <Tsjoklat> I would try something else
[03:49] <topyli> gtk-gnutella
[03:49] <ich> ok, gonna try gnutella
[03:49] <mojo> I got some difficulty in installing Maya 6
[03:49] <Tsjoklat> amule is giving me a headache and I am not even installing it
[03:49] <topyli> heh
[03:49] <ich> http://gtk-gnutella.sourceforge.net/?
[03:49] <mojo> Maya 6 uses RPM
[03:50] <mojo> how can I install them?
[03:50] <mwh_> jdub: btw, I needed to setup my services because hwclock hangs my computer when it runs, because my batery is flat, I cannot set my hardware clock ;)
[03:50] <ich> http://gtk-gnutella.sourceforge.net/   ???
[03:50] <Tsjoklat> why do you want to do it from source?
[03:50] <topyli> ich: use apt :)
[03:50] <Tsjoklat> my sentiments topy
[03:50] <topyli> i did compile gtk-gnutella though :)
[03:50] <topyli> to use gtk2
[03:50] <ich> sudo apt-get install gnutella
[03:50] <ich> Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig
[03:50] <ich> Abhngigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut... Fertig
[03:50] <ich> E: Konnte Paket gnutella nicht finden
[03:50] <housetier> ich, its most often a good idea to use the package tool and packages for your distribution
[03:51] <ich> YES!!!!!!
[03:51] <ich> i sue ubuntu, gnutella isnt there
[03:51] <ich> i would like to use it, but its not there
[03:51] <housetier> ich, you see you can "apt-cache search" yourself
[03:51] <Tsjoklat> try synaptic
[03:52] <housetier> ich getting used to linux does take a while I know. please don't loose your patience :)
[03:52] <topyli> apt-cache search gtk-gnutella shows gtk-gnutella :)
[03:52] <ich> just installing it :-P
[03:52] <jdub> mwh_: mmm, but this does not always mean you need gui tools
[03:53] <ich> yeah, does work
[03:53] <ich> thx man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:53] <housetier> woe is my eyes, woe
[03:53] <ich> :)
[03:53] <topyli> ich: now just type "linux warez" into the search box :)
[03:53] <aitrus> How do I tell Rhythmbox to use esd?
[03:54] <ich> cant
[03:54] <ich> just use xmms or beep-media-player
[03:54] <thom> aitrus: run gstreamer-properties
[03:54] <aitrus> xmms won't run for some reason
[03:54] <thom> and select ed as the output sink
[03:54] <ich> it doesnt connect to servers :(
[03:54] <ich> 0/3 connections
[03:54] <aitrus> thanks
[03:55] <ich> 1
[03:55] <housetier> ich, that's highly #gnutella specific I guess
[03:55] <ich> :)
[03:55] <ich> thx
[03:55] <ich> thats been evrythin ciao
[03:56] <mwh_> jdub: no not at all, but I would very much like to use ubuntu as a distribution for graphical orientede users, and these tools are pretty much what I see as a showstopper for me, im using fedora core 2 for graphical users right now
[03:56] <housetier> 20 bucks says it wasnt everythin at all yet
[03:56] <mwh_> jdub: btw, if you have it on top of your mind, what is holding back these two tools?
[03:56] <Tsjoklat> is it gone?
[03:56] <Tsjoklat> :P
[03:56] <housetier> it is
[03:56] <Tsjoklat> j/k
[03:57] <housetier> /ls help
[03:57] <jdub> mwh_: they aren't appropriate for the use cases in normal life
[03:58] <andred> Ubuntu's default theme is similar to Industrial. I guess this Firefox theme/modification would be a good match: http://linuxart.com/log/archives/2004/09/20/industrial-for-firefox/
[03:58] <topyli> yeah, how many times a day do you change the grub config :)
[03:59] <jdub> andred: we're going to modify it after warty is out
[03:59] <Tsjoklat> I like that theme, shouldn't be too hard to change it into the human colour
[03:59] <topyli> andred: it does look good inside my epiphany window :)
[03:59] <mwh_> jdub: oh thats it, do the gnome-system-tools developers know about this issue? I guess they do, if you know what are there position on this mater?
[04:00] <jdub> mwh_: yes, they do
[04:00] <andred> jdub, Based on that theme? I think they've done most of the job already, so it probably would be wise to use it.
[04:00] <mwh_> jdub: ok
[04:00] <jdub> andred: yes, modifying it
[04:00] <dalderman> can someone tell me why I have all these devices in my volume control please: 
[04:00] <dalderman> Analog Devices AD1981B[OSS Mixer] 
[04:00] <dalderman> Silicon Laboratory Si3036/8 rev [OSS Mixer] 
[04:00] <dalderman> Intel 82801DB-ICH4 [Alsa Mixer] 
[04:00] <dalderman> Intel 82801DB-ICH4 Modem [Alsa Mixer] 
[04:00] <mwh_> jdub: it would be nice to have them though, like I think it would be better to have them than not having them
[04:00] <jdub> mwh_: one of the options is applying the boot stuff to the in-development disk editor
[04:00] <jdub> mwh_: not as they are
[04:01] <mwh_> jdub: clever
[04:01] <dalderman> as far as I know I only have 1 sound card in my lappy (Tosh Sat Pro A10)
[04:01] <jdub> mwh_: and certainly not in warty, too late
[04:01] <mwh_> jdub: could it be made as another package?
[04:01] <Treenaks> dalderman: a sound card and a modem, probably
[04:01] <mwh_> jdub: like not installing that package but ship with it anyways
[04:01] <mwh_> jdub: people like me ;) could then install it manually
[04:01] <jdub> mwh_: they are unsupported upstream. we're not going to support them...
[04:02] <dalderman> Treenaks, two of the panels are empty
[04:02] <dalderman> Treenaks, the second and forth
[04:02] <mwh_> jdub: does this mean only some of the package gnome-system-tools are supported? or is the whole package not supported?
[04:02] <dalderman> Treenaks, and the volume control in both seems to affect the sound, is this normal?
[04:02] <mwh_> jdub: sorry if I ask to many lame questions, im just trying to learn
[04:03] <Treenaks> dalderman: yes, that's because ALSA emulates OSS, so the OSS mixer is the same one as the ALSA mixer.. the other 2 panels are empty.. now there's a bug (it shouldn't show empty panels, probably :))
[04:04] <dalderman> Treenaks, I would file a bug but I can't get an account at the moment
[04:04] <Treenaks> why not
[04:04] <pisuke> dalderman, i had problems with hotplug and slackware because the modem was being detected as card-0
[04:04] <pisuke> and soundcard as card-1
[04:05] <dalderman> Treenaks, Sep 21 14:22:39 adelie postfix/smtp[24412] : 9FD4B192C00E: to=<d.alderman@180sw.com>, relay=thsmtpb1.byworkwise.com[213.166.14.22] , delay=35, status=bounced (host thsmtpb1.byworkwise.com[213.166.14.22]  said: 550 5.7.1 This system is configured to reject mail from 82.211.81.139 (DNS reverse lookup failed) (in reply to MAIL FROM command))
[04:05] <Treenaks> dalderman: I had the same problem
[04:05] <dalderman> I have emailed  justdave@canonical.com on Thoms advice
[04:05] <pisuke> dalderman, you can configure alsa to alter the ordering of the cards o prevent hotplug from loading the modem module
[04:06] <dalderman> pisuke, I do get hotplug errors on startup, but they go by so fast I can't see them
[04:06] <jdub> mwh_: the stuff you get when you install gnome-system-tools is supported
[04:06] <Treenaks> pisuke: how?
[04:06] <jdub> mwh_: the stuff that isn't built and included in that is not supported
[04:06] <aitrus> and rhythm box crashes when i try and import my mp3 collection... *sigh*
[04:06] <dalderman> I also have issues with the cpu speed applet thingy, batstat applet and my touchpad
[04:07] <mwh_> jdub: ok
[04:07] <pisuke> Treenaks, dalderman, /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[04:07] <Treenaks> dalderman: laptops are notoriously strange devices..
[04:07] <pisuke> y put snd-intel8x0m
[04:07] <pisuke> in blacklist
[04:07] <pisuke> to prevent hotplug from loading it
[04:08] <pisuke> it was easy for me
[04:08] <dalderman> I recall getting an error with something like sbhpc and i810 audio
[04:08] <pisuke> and dont needed the modem anyway
[04:08] <Treenaks> dalderman: sbhpc sounds like IEEE1394/firewire
[04:09] <pisuke> dalderman, lsmod
[04:09] <dalderman> I have no firewire in here
[04:09] <dalderman> k
[04:09] <thom> dalderman: what's the issue with cpufreq applet?
[04:09] <mwh_> thank you for your answers everybody, ill be off now, happy hacking!
[04:09] <pisuke> and have a look at snd-* modules
[04:09] <dalderman> scutter:/etc/hotplug# lsmod
[04:09] <dalderman> Module                  Size  Used by
[04:09] <dalderman> nls_cp437               6016  0
[04:09] <dalderman> isofs                  33976  0
[04:09] <dalderman> udf                    79876  0
[04:09] <dalderman> nfs                   165952  1
[04:09] <dalderman> lockd                  56520  2 nfs
[04:09] <dalderman> sunrpc                137060  4 nfs,lockd
[04:09] <dalderman> i830                   68644  1
[04:09] <dalderman> proc_intf               3968  0
[04:09] <dalderman> freq_table              4356  0
[04:09] <dalderman> cpufreq_userspace       5336  0
[04:09] <dalderman> cpufreq_powersave       2048  0
[04:09] <dalderman> ds                     17796  2
[04:09] <dalderman> toshiba_acpi            6300  0
[04:09] <dalderman> button                  6680  0
[04:10] <dalderman> battery                 9740  0
[04:10] <dalderman> ac                      5132  0
[04:10] <dalderman> asus_acpi              11544  0
[04:10] <dalderman> ipv6                  230020  12
[04:10] <dalderman> yenta_socket           19328  0
[04:10] <dalderman> pcmcia_core            63156  2 ds,yenta_socket
[04:10] <dalderman> prism54                47388  0
[04:10] <dalderman> firmware_class          9728  1 prism54
[04:10] <dalderman> e100                   30208  0
[04:10] <dalderman> eepro100               28300  0
[04:10] <dalderman> mii                     4864  2 e100,eepro100
[04:10] <dalderman> snd_intel8x0m          18632  4
[04:10] <dalderman> snd_intel8x0           33068  6
[04:10] <dalderman> snd_ac97_codec         59268  2 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0
[04:10] <dalderman> snd_pcm_oss            48168  1
[04:10] <pisuke> there
[04:10] <dalderman> snd_mixer_oss          16640  6 snd_pcm_oss
[04:10] <dalderman> snd_pcm                85540  3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss
[04:10] <dalderman> snd_timer              23172  1 snd_pcm
[04:10] <dalderman> snd_page_alloc         11144  3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
[04:10] <dalderman> gameport                4736  1 snd_intel8x0
[04:10] <dalderman> snd_mpu401_uart         7296  1 snd_intel8x0
[04:10] <pisuke> snd-intel8x0m
[04:10] <dalderman> snd_rawmidi            23232  1 snd_mpu401_uart
[04:10] <dalderman> snd_seq_device          7944  1 snd_rawmidi
[04:10] <dalderman> snd                    50660  18 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
[04:10] <dalderman> soundcore               9824  7 snd
[04:10] <Treenaks> dalderman: make it stop!
[04:10] <dalderman> usbhid                 28864  0
[04:10] <dalderman> pci_hotplug            30640  0
[04:11] <dalderman> ehci_hcd               27780  0
[04:11] <dalderman> uhci_hcd               29328  0
[04:11] <dalderman> usbcore               104292  5 usbhid,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd
[04:11] <dalderman> intel_agp              20512  1
[04:11] <dalderman> agpgart                31784  3 intel_agp
[04:11] <dalderman> rtc                    12216  0
[04:11] <dalderman> pcspkr                  3816  0
[04:11] <dalderman> md                     44744  0
[04:11] <dalderman> dm_mod           
[04:11] <dalderman> loads!
[04:11] <dalderman> i810fb will be removed on next reboot
[04:11] <Tsjoklat> sandbags?
[04:11] <dalderman> as I have Intel 855 so can only use vesafb
[04:11] <dalderman> thom, it thinks my laptop is about 211232143423432423Ghz
[04:11] <lucas_> I hope nobody will ask him to check the output of "ps" next time ;)
[04:11] <pisuke> D snd-intel8x0m
[04:11] <dalderman> will blacklisting that audio module mean I have to load my audio manually?
[04:12] <dalderman> I thought you wanted it all, sorry
[04:12] <Treenaks> dalderman: no
[04:12] <pisuke> blacklist snd-intel8x0m
[04:12] <dalderman> have done
[04:12] <pisuke> that's the internal modem
[04:12] <dalderman> oh, ok
[04:12] <dalderman> I never use it anyway
[04:12] <pisuke> reboot and snd-card-0 won't be your modem
[04:13] <dalderman> k, I shall reboot and see, brb
[04:14] <pisuke> i don't know if it's alsa or hotplug, but a modem shouldn't be detected as card-0
[04:15] <jg_> jdub: It appears to have been a corrupted package, from the logs.  My first use of bittorrent isn't favorable.  Sigh...
[04:15] <jdub> jg_: d'oh :|
[04:15] <jdub> jg_: at least you can rsync against it though :)
[04:16] <jg_> jdub: too late; I started a conventional download....
[04:17] <jg_> jdub: should I grab today's install image?
[04:17] <jdub> jg_: ideally, yes
[04:17] <jg_> ok, that's what I'm doing.
[04:17] <_Hiro_> can I bootsplash an ubuntu install :| ?
[04:17] <jdub> many bugs fixed
[04:17] <jdub> _Hiro_: not in this release -> but hoary will have a cool userland splash thingy :)
[04:17] <_Hiro_> great :)
[04:18] <_Hiro_> with udev I see a lot of errors and I'd like to hide those ;)
[04:18] <Deft> bootsplash would make all the difference in making people think Linux was easy
[04:18] <_Hiro_> can I use fb-ng?
[04:18] <_Hiro_> it gave me 1600x1200@85 on my consoles
[04:18] <Treenaks> Deft: yeah, but why...
[04:18] <Deft> thinking of boot errors, is pciehp even real? I get an error about it loading each time
[04:18] <dalderman> cheers guys, the mixer has 2 panels now :-)
[04:19] <dalderman> Deft, I get that too
[04:19] <thom> dalderman: that cpufreq bug sounds like 1444
[04:19] <dalderman> I get errors with shpchp and pciehp
[04:19] <thom> which i'll be looking at soon :-)
[04:19] <_Hiro_> me too
[04:19] <dalderman> k
[04:19] <dalderman> cool
[04:19] <Deft> yeah, same
[04:19] <elim> hi
[04:21] <nomar> I just got those errors too!
[04:22] <nomar> By the way ubuntu looks like a great and worthwile project. Good luck. I hope to make great use of ubuntu. Thank you.
[04:22] <dalderman> We will be Ubuntuing all our workstations in the office when it goes stable :-)
[04:22] <Deft> if anyone knows the error text, that's probably worth looking up/reporting
[04:23] <pisuke> is there a but about the detection order of soundcards, when one of them is a modem?
[04:23] <pisuke> s/but/bug
[04:23] <lucas_> hi
[04:23] <lucas_> linux-image-2.6.8.1-2-k7 doesn't contain an initrd
[04:23] <lucas_> is it normal ?
[04:23] <thom> they get built when you install the package
[04:23] <thom> so yes, entirely normal
[04:23] <Deft> lucas_, no
[04:24] <lucas_> oh ok
[04:24] <Deft> that was a better answer, ignore mine
[04:24] <dalderman> thom, is there a bug re no way to specify wep key in the network control panel tool thingy
[04:25] <thom> not afaik
[04:25] <dalderman> I shall add once I get an account then
[04:26] <mojo> has any1 succeeded in installing Maya 6.0 on Debian or Ubuntun?
[04:26] <dalderman> so how do I find out if my touchpad is a synaptics one, I tried to get X to use it but it says there is no synaptics touchpad present
[04:33] <jg_> dalderman: you'd expect to see synaptics mentioned during the boot sequence
[04:42] <dan_a> so what's the deal with grdb type stuff now?
[04:42] <dan_a> my xemacs looks awful
[04:42] <dan_a> afaik grdb got absorbed into gnome right?
[04:42] <thom> should be handled by gnome
[04:43] <dan_a> well, I haven't got a .grdb or anything like that anymore, but my xemacs doesn't look like it's been adjusted at all by gnome
[04:43] <dan_a> do I need to specify some defaults somewhere?
[04:43] <Tomcat_> God... what's up with the Ubuntu installer? No offense, but the partition has fucked up my partition table the second time now... :o
[04:44] <Tomcat_> +program
[04:44] <Mithrandir> sounds like a bug in parted if it fucks up your partition table
[04:45] <_Hiro_> does it take long for a subscription to ubuntu-users to be confirmed?
[04:45] <Tomcat_> It's weird because that didn't happen the last time I installed Debian....
[04:45] <Mithrandir> _Hiro_: no, it shouldn't
[04:45] <_Hiro_> then I better resubmit because I waiting an hour already
[04:45] <Tsjoklat> anyone knows how to get decent mp3 tags in nautilus?
[04:46] <Tsjoklat> something that will display bitrate, length and what not?
[04:47] <Deft> Tsjoklat: do you have the audio tab in the properties dialog for mp3s?
[04:47] <Kamion> Tomcat_: do you have WinXP installed on the same box?
[04:47] <Tsjoklat> yes Deft I do
[04:47] <Tsjoklat> but it says unknown unknown unknown
[04:47] <Tsjoklat> and all my files are correctly tagged
[04:48] <Deft> hmm, the Audio/Video tab is fairly broken normally, but the Audio one should be ok...
[04:48] <Tsjoklat> I can see why it would say that for vid since it is not a vid file but why doesn't it read mp3 tags
[04:49] <Tsjoklat> but then I never got nautilus-media to work either, if I install it, it makes nautilus crash
[04:50] <_Hiro_> I noticed I can't play mp3s from by ata disk, checked in hdparm and dma is set to off
[04:50] <_Hiro_> could that be the reason udev doesn't create it?
[04:50] <dan_a> thom, ahhhh I have to edit /etc/gnome/config/*
[04:50] <_Hiro_> the device node to it I mean
[04:52] <Mitario> going home, cya soon!
[04:53] <Tsjoklat> that's what I like in kde konqueror.. the meta info on mp3s is superb
[04:54] <Tomcat_> Kamion: Win2k... the disk I install Ubuntu on was: NTFS/Space/NTFS, then: NTFS/Root/Swap/NTFS, but then all partition programs say my partition table is fucked.
[04:54] <Kamion> Tomcat_: yeah, there's a parted issue there; you're saying it's definitely fixed in Debian testing now?
[04:54] <Kamion> Tomcat_: or are you talking about Debian stable?
[04:54] <Tomcat_> I had Debian testing (Sarge) on it before and I didn't have this issue.
[04:55] <mojo> excuse me all developers, any1 repsonsible for "mc" program?
[04:57] <_Hiro_> why am I not permitted to activate dma? 
[04:57] <_Hiro_> /dev/hdc:
[04:57] <_Hiro_>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[04:57] <_Hiro_>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[04:57] <_Hiro_> I run it as root
[04:58] <_Hiro_> it's umounted
[04:58] <mjg59> _Hiro_: It means there's no kernel support for DMA at the moment
[04:58] <thom> _Hiro_: the driver doesn't support it
[04:58] <_Hiro_> I see o_O
[04:58] <mjg59> thom: Or that the driver wasn't loaded
[04:58] <_Hiro_> hmm
[04:58] <_Hiro_> what module would that be?
[04:59] <thom> indeed
[04:59] <_Hiro_> I always compuled it in my kernels
[04:59] <mjg59> _Hiro_: Can you do lspci | grep IDE ?
[04:59] <_Hiro_> 0000:00:07.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 10)
[05:00] <_Hiro_> I'm on a via board, on my own kernels I always let it auto-set DMA :)
[05:01] <mjg59> How about lsmod | grep -i via ?
[05:01] <Deft> VIA82CXXX is the module
[05:01] <_Hiro_> via82cxxx
[05:01] <mjg59> Ok, interesting
[05:01] <Lowe> I willask again since more people are around. Where is the file types prefrences? did Ubuntu take them out or something
[05:01] <Lowe> No one know?
[05:01] <Lowe> When i try to change what .mp3 file opens with it won't click. The dot thing, it just stickson totem? -_-
[05:01] <_Hiro_> is after ide_core
[05:01] <Lowe> holy fuck
[05:02] <Lowe> uhm did you really need to paste all that in here >_~
[05:02] <Lowe> One more try. In the gnome manual it says i can edit File types and programs in Apps > Desktop Prefrences > advanced > File types and programs. But there is no advanced tab, did Ubuntu take it out?
[05:02] <Lowe> meh i guess i will ask later, since no one knows. -_-
[05:03] <Deft> Lowe: it's in the file properties box
[05:03] <_Hiro_> Lowe file types isn't that in Computer>Desktop Preferences>Prefeered Applications?
[05:04] <_Hiro_> I wonder why I can't have DMA :/
[05:04] <_Hiro_> it should be alright no?
[05:04] <Deft> _Hiro_: are you using an ubuntu kernel?
[05:04] <[Clint] > anyone know the how much disk space the standard desktop takes up?
[05:04] <_Hiro_> yes
[05:04] <_Hiro_> bah my /dev/hda is also without dma
[05:04] <_Hiro_> do I need to hdparm them in a bootup script somewhere?
[05:04] <thom> [Clint] : i think we're at about 1.4GB
[05:05] <[Clint] > thom: thanks
[05:05] <mjg59> _Hiro_: It sounds as if something is going wrong when the IDE modules are loading
[05:05] <Deft> the issue could that the via module is loaded after the generic one... not sure what to do about that though
[05:05] <mjg59> But I'm afraid I don't actually have an Ubuntu system here to debug...
[05:06] <_Hiro_> ide_core              138896  5 ide_disk,pdc202xx_old,via82cxxx,ide_generic,ide_
[05:06] <mjg59> _Hiro_: Actually, I have the same problem on a Linux 2.4.27 machine
[05:06] <_Hiro_> does this mean the general gets preference?
[05:06] <mjg59> It looks like there's something going wrong that results in the via module being loaded after something else has grabbed the disks
[05:06] <_Hiro_> hmm maybe that's why udev can't find my hd
[05:07] <mjg59> It shouldn't affect udev, though
[05:07] <mjg59> Can you file a bug about the DMA problem in bugzilla.ubuntu.com?
[05:07] <_Hiro_> sure
[05:09] <Kamion> Tomcat_: did you install Debian testing from scratch, or upgrade?
[05:09] <_Hiro_> I'm not getting an e-mail from ubuntu-users either :/
[05:09] <_Hiro_> I tried 2 times already
[05:10] <Tomcat_> Kamion: From scratch
[05:11] <Kamion> Tomcat_: do you remember roughly when?
[05:11] <Tomcat_> February of this year.
[05:11] <Kamion> hey, that's way before we branched
[05:11] <Kamion> I think the parted issue must have been introduced after then
[05:12] <Tomcat_> I got easily recoverable backups of my data now, so if you want we can fix it...
[05:13] <Tomcat_> Like... I can repartition the disk and have an installer CD of Ubuntu...
[05:13] <Tomcat_> But right now I can't say for sure that it's the problem of parted... might also be Partition Magic.
[05:13] <Kamion> from other discussions I believe it to be a parted problem
[05:14] <Tomcat_> Probably... people say different things, but for me Partition Magic has always worked flawlessly...
[05:14] <Tomcat_> Anyway, if you want to fix this, I'm available... but not long till I have to remove my backups.
[05:15] <Tomcat_> Like, trying another version of parted...
[05:15] <Kamion> parted (1.6.11-1) experimental; urgency=low
[05:15] <Kamion>   * New upstream release. (Closes: #254502)
[05:15] <Kamion>     - should fix 2.6 kernel BIOS CHS geometry problems. Broke binary
[05:15] <Kamion>       compatibility though, thus the soname change.
[05:15] <Kamion> hmm
[05:15] <Tomcat_> omg... that sounds so much like my problem...
[05:15] <Kamion> it will not be easy for you to just try another version of parted, I don't think
[05:15] <Tomcat_> Because some partition programs say it's a disk geometry problem... and PMagic complains about some CHS errors...
[05:16] <Kamion> unless you already have an Ubuntu system running on that disk, but presumably the partition table will already have been trashed ...
[05:17] <Tomcat_> The table gets trashed on installation, so if we want to change something it's gotta be at the installation.
[05:17] <Cardador> i corrected my partition table with suse 9.1 cd, some time ago
[05:17] <Cardador> there is an howto somewhere
[05:17] <Tomcat_> Cardador: I just tried a whole bunch of programs, nothing helped. :o
[05:18] <Tomcat_> And I don't know enough about disk geometry/partition tables to edit it directly myself.
[05:18] <Kamion>   * Added backported CHS BIOS geometry fix.
[05:18] <Kamion>     - libparted/disk_dos.c (read_table, process_bad_chs): now probes
[05:18] <Kamion>       Microsoft file systems for BIOS CHS geometry. This idea was
[05:18] <Kamion>       suggested by Steffen Winterfeldt <snwint@suse.de>.
[05:18] <Kamion> no bug numbers in that changelog, though, which makes it very hard to track down
[05:18] <Cardador> Tomcat_:  have you tried to change some settings in your bios?
[05:18] <Kamion> Cardador: this is a legitimate bug in Ubuntu which we should just fix
[05:19] <Cardador> i heard that changing the geometry from auto to LBA solved the problem for some people
[05:19] <Tomcat_> Cardador: Like?
[05:19] <Cardador> auto to LBA
[05:19] <Cardador> or CHS to LBA
[05:19] <Tomcat_> The "partition table trashed" error or the "parted trashed the partition table" error? :)
[05:20] <stub> Talking about partitions - is ntfsresize or some other method of shrinking my NTFS  partition available on the install CD?
[05:20] <Kamion> stub: afraid not
[05:20] <Tomcat_> Cardador: I can only enable/disable LBA... no CHS/Auto option.
[05:21] <Tomcat_> Oh I'll just try :)
[05:21] <Cardador> Tomcat_: i just read that, i solved my problem with suse cd
[05:22] <Tomcat_> The question is what you did with the SuSE CD :)
[05:22] <Cardador> when you boot from the cd, there is an option to solve this kind of problem
[05:23] <Tomcat_> If it was able to automatically repair it, it's not the same problem I have.
[05:23] <Tomcat_> Mh...
[05:23] <Cardador> not automatically
[05:23] <Cardador> ill try to find that info 
[05:24] <Tomcat_> Would be great. :)
[05:24] <Tomcat_> Changing the LBA to off at least made PMagic want to fix the partition table again.... but in the end it was still dead.
[05:24] <Cardador> but it boots windows?
[05:25] <Tomcat_> Sure, Windows is on another disk. :)
[05:25] <Cardador> so whats the problem?
[05:26] <nick01> hi
[05:26] <Leoric> hi
[05:26] <nick01> what's ubuntu ?
[05:26] <Tomcat_> That after installing Ubuntu, all partition programs complain about a broken partition table... and I might like to resize some partitions sometime.
[05:26] <Leoric> kick ass linux distro :)
[05:26] <Cardador> I used this howto: %http://portal.suse.com/sdb/en/2004/05/fhassel_windows_not_booting91.html in order to boot win again
[05:26] <Tomcat_> But I can't resize them when the partition table is broken.
[05:26] <Cardador> Tomcat_: i dont know if it will help
[05:27] <Tomcat_> I'll see... thanks so far.
[05:27] <Leoric> what is the easy-way to get some "illegal" movie codecs into ubuntu?
[05:28] <Cardador> just copy the codecs to /usr/lib/win32/
[05:28] <Deft> Leoric: download them; there's an rpm called w32codec-something.rpm with lots in; just unzip it or whatever
[05:29] <Leoric> Deft: thanks!
[05:33] <Lowe> hiro no
[05:34] <Tomcat_> Cardador: The info looks good, but I don't want to start installation SuSE now just to fix my partition error... it'll be better if this is fixed in Ubuntu...
[05:34] <Tomcat_> But I'll try another thing.
[05:35] <Tomcat_> What the HELL?!?
[05:35] <Tomcat_> Okay, for the logs, this is what I did.
[05:35] <Tomcat_> Install Ubuntu
[05:36] <nick01> where do I find an ubuntu screenshot ?
[05:36] <Tomcat_> Start Windows, Partition Magic, it complains about partition table being corrupt, fix it (Y/N?), in the program the partition table is corrupt (error 108)
[05:36] <maku> hello guys
[05:37] <elmo> mdz: how come ksymoops got demoted?  I thought the plan was to support 2.4.x kernels if the user chose to use them?
[05:37] <maku> can i install kde3.3 in ubuntu?
[05:37] <Tomcat_> nick01: Search Slashdot for Ubuntu, the article has an article with screenshots linked...
[05:37] <nick01> tks
[05:37] <Tomcat_> Oh hell, if anybody wants to know what I did (my partition table is okay again), query me.
[05:38] <Kamion> Tomcat_: I think I have a grip on the problem, will try to get a fix into Ubuntu
[05:38] <Kamion> Tomcat_: can I ping you for testing at some point? I don't actually own a copy of Windows
[05:38] <nick01> Tomcat_: u meant ubuntu ccorrunts the filesystem  ?!
[05:38] <Tomcat_> Kamion: If it's today or tomorrow then yes... I can't leave my backups on my Dad's PC for longer (80 GB)
[05:39] <Tomcat_> nick01: No, the partition table *MIGHT* get corrupted in certain cases.
[05:39] <Kamion> Tomcat_: won't be that soon I'm afraid
[05:39] <nick01> :(
[05:40] <maku> can i install kde3.3 in ubuntu? i mean how do i find repositories for KDE3.3?
[05:40] <Cardador> Tomcat_: i didnt install suse
[05:40] <Cardador> Tomcat_: if you boot from suse cd, there is an option right at boot to fix the partition table
[05:40] <Tomcat_> Kamion: Can I query you? You might be interested why my ptable is okay again.
[05:40] <nick01> Tomcat_: does it have nvidia drivers ? what about ati ones ?
[05:41] <Tomcat_> nick01: Afaik it has NVidia drivers... but I use the free ones anyway.
[05:41] <nick01> Tomcat_: and ati ?
[05:41] <Kamion> Tomcat_: I'd prefer it if you filed a bug with all the details
[05:41] <Cardador> Tomcat_: is your problem solved?
[05:41] <Kamion> Tomcat_: I will lose stuff pasted into IRC
[05:41] <Tomcat_> nick01: No idea, the ATI drivers for Linux suck anyway.
[05:42] <Tomcat_> Kamion: Well I doubt it'll help anyone, but I can file a bug.
[05:42] <nick01> Tomcat_: java ? flash ?
[05:42] <Kamion> Tomcat_: it may well help *me*
[05:42] <Tomcat_> Kamion: Because I don't have any details, only a description of what I did.
[05:42] <Tomcat_> Good. ;)
[05:42] <Kamion> Tomcat_: that's fine, tell me everything you know, I'd rather have more details than fewer
[05:42] <topyli> maku: ubuntu's unofficial kde seems to be 3.1.2
[05:42] <lowe_> How do i get rid of my ghost again?
[05:43] <Tomcat_> Kamion: The problem with testing a fix in a few weeks/months is that I have 80 Gig on this disk that I have to backup first... plus I tried to backup my Ubuntu yesterday and I filed so I have to set it up again... I wouldn't want to repeat that so often.
[05:43] <topyli> mako: you may find some dangerous packages elsewhere :)
[05:43] <Tomcat_> Cardador: I played around with the LBA setting in BIOS and with Partition Magic, and now my partition table seems to be correct again.
[05:43] <nick01> Kamion: does it have java and flash installed ?
[05:44] <nick01> Tomcat_: there is no review on slahdot
[05:44] <lowe_> Anyone?
[05:44] <Tomcat_> Well, I'll try something new now.
[05:44] <Tomcat_> nick01: Wait a sec, I'll get you screenshots.
[05:44] <lowe_> Am i like invisible lol
[05:44] <nick01> k
[05:45] <Cardador> Tomcat_: nice :)
[05:45] <Kamion> nick01: hm?
[05:45] <nick01> Kamion: ubuntu- does it have java and flash ?
[05:46] <topyli> nick01: no. i installed them from debian repositories.
[05:46] <Kamion> nick01: no
[05:46] <Cardador> Se7h: certificado de emprego profissional? :P
[05:46] <nick01> tks
[05:46] <nick01> but u can apt-get them ?
[05:46] <npmccallum> nick01: no distribution can ever include flash, macromedia forbids it
[05:46] <Kamion> nick01: by the way you're better asking the channel than asking one individual; I'm the installer developer, my knowledge about desktop things is often limited
[05:46] <Se7h> oh
[05:46] <Se7h> a portuguese ;P
[05:46] <nick01> k
[05:47] <Se7h> Cardador for sure?
[05:47] <Cardador> Se7h: i was joking
[05:47] <nick01> Kamion: do u know what Kamion (camion) means in romanian ? :D
[05:47] <Se7h> pois
[05:47] <Se7h> though so
[05:47] <Se7h> :P
[05:47] <topyli> nick01: you can apt-get them just as easily as in debian.
[05:47] <Cardador> nick01: maybe the same as in portuguese
[05:48] <nick01> topyli: nice
[05:48] <mojo> excuse me ppl
[05:48] <Se7h> lololol
[05:48] <mojo> any have exp in installing Maya 6 RPM using Aline?
[05:48] <mojo> sorry Alien I mean
[05:48] <Se7h> isn't camion french ?
[05:48] <nick01> Cardador: what does it mean in portuguese ?
[05:48] <Cardador> nick01: truck
[05:49] <nick01> yeah
[05:49] <nick01> :)
[05:49] <Cardador> nick01: romenian is also a latin language ;)
[05:49] <topyli> how disappointing. I was hoping for something uglier :)
[05:49] <nick01> I've been talking with a truck ! :P
[05:49] <Cardador> lol
[05:49] <Se7h> it's just because its a french word
[05:49] <nick01> I know 
[05:49] <nick01> :)
[05:50] <Se7h> LOLL <nick01> I've been talking with a truck ! :P
[05:50] <Se7h> HEY Cardador, U ON PTNET?
[05:50] <Se7h> shit
[05:50] <Se7h> sorry for the caps
[05:51] <Cardador> yes
[05:52] <Kamion> nick01: yes
[05:52] <Se7h> well
[05:52] <Kamion> nick01: you are about the hundredth person to point that out, with various languages :P
[05:53] <nick01> rofl
[05:53] <nick01> :))
[05:53] <lowe_> lol
[05:53] <Tomcat_> nick01: http://www.linuxbeta.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=103&slide=1
[05:53] <elim> is anyone on a mac at the moment?
[05:53] <ubuntuwig> me, why
[05:54] <elim> is it just my comp or is firefox really slow to load pages even on a fast connection?
[05:54] <ubuntuwig> some people have bad luck with firefox, for others it works fine
[05:54] <ubuntuwig> i personally use camino if i have to, i usually use safari
[05:55] <Cardador> elim: i had some issues with ipv6
[05:55] <elim> how did u resolve them?
[05:55] <Cardador> elim: dont remember :)
[05:55] <topyli> Tomcat_: i wish they would have _less_ screenshots there :)
[05:56] <Cardador> try google for it: slow connection, dns, ipv6
[05:56] <elim> less and more of what the thing actually looks like when its installed me thinks
[05:57] <Tomcat_> topyli: Yeah it's really too much :)
[05:58] <topyli> they have 20 screenshots of the menu :)
[05:58] <elim> 80 or somthing isnt ti
[05:58] <Tomcat_> Okay, Ubuntu is reinstalled, I have repartitioned... let's see.
[05:58] <nick01> tks Tomcat_
[05:59] <Tomcat_> Kamion: I have no idea why, but with this reinstall, my partition table survived it...
[05:59] <Tomcat_> Totally weird.
[06:00] <elim> ill uninstall the debian version and compile the latest version i think that would be better really i think ill get mozilla and mplayer plug in too :S
[06:00] <Tomcat_> Anyway, I'll give you a bug report describing most details, that should help.
[06:04] <nick01> Kamion: why didn't u ake gnome look like fedora's gnome ? also, why doesn't it have those programs for weather and the network monitor ?
[06:04] <chutwig> it does have the network monitor and weather applet
[06:04] <Cardador> nick01: right click on panel, add to panel
[06:05] <Kamion> nick01: I'm not a desktop guy
[06:05] <Kamion> sorry, honestly can't help you about desktop matters
[06:06] <nick01> Cardador: tks
[06:06] <Lowe> Can someone make a better mplayer package, the ones that are up require me to downgrade a lot of files. :(
[06:06] <nick01> Kamion: how fast is it ?
[06:08] <ich> hi
[06:08] <ich> new prob
[06:08] <ich> kruemmel@ubuntu ~ $ kaffeine
[06:08] <ich> kaffeine: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:09] <ich> please help :-/
[06:11] <Kamion> ich: do you not have xlibmesa-gl installed? it's in the default desktop
[06:11] <mojo> hi all ppl, Rythmbox now up to 0.86, y isn't it up for download from Synaptic? ???
[06:11] <ich> yes i have
[06:11] <ich> hallo xTina, informatik Uni Stuttgart?
[06:12] <ich> why?
[06:12] <ich> kamion
[06:12] <ich> ?
[06:14] <Tomcat_> xTina? o_O
[06:14] <ich> lol
[06:14] <ich> dont need kaffeine anymore, totem works now
[06:14] <ich> thx
[06:14] <mojo> Kamion, ich, Tomcat, or any1, can u guys do me a favor? (I'm testing to fix some security holes in GNOME)
[06:15] <Tomcat_> mojo: I'm installing Ubuntu right now again... so, no :)
[06:15] <ich> just talk!
[06:15] <mojo> ok
[06:15] <Lowe> I finally found a repository with a mplayer that installs
[06:15] <mojo> I need u guys log in as normal user
[06:15] <ich> i have
[06:15] <ich> @lowe: where do you got it?
[06:15] <mojo> and now go to Computer > System Confirugation > choose Date and Time
[06:15] <jono> hi all
[06:15] <ich> i mean @mojo, i am
[06:15] <Lowe> Hold on way to the install is down
[06:15] <mojo> but
[06:15] <mojo> wait
[06:15] <Lowe> wait*
[06:15] <mojo> when the password dialog appear
[06:16] <mojo> type in wrong password for me
[06:16] <jono> jdub, ping :)
[06:16] <Lowe> add this to your sources deb http://debian.kcore.org ./
[06:16] <mojo> and run Date and Time again
[06:16] <Chriffer> failed to run child
[06:16] <mojo> and tell me the result
[06:16] <Chriffer> Failed to run time-admin as user root:
[06:16] <Chriffer>  Child terminated with 1 status
[06:16] <ich> wait..., i gave it the right one :)
[06:16] <Tomcat_> I still got "Setting up" lines running over my screen ;)
[06:17] <Lowe> Chriffer what are you trying to run?
[06:17] <mojo> ich, log out 
[06:17] <Chriffer> time and date
[06:17] <mojo> then log in back
[06:17] <Chriffer> not date and time
[06:17] <mojo> thx Chriffer
[06:17] <ich> wait
[06:17] <mojo> more info
[06:17] <Chriffer> That's with default settings no real password setup
[06:17] <Lowe> uhm what should i choose as my mplayer video output?
[06:17] <Chriffer> X
[06:18] <mojo> can someone do the same process? type wrong password with other system root programs?
[06:18] <mojo> and tell me the result of the next time start the programs
[06:18] <ich> still wants no passsword
[06:18] <mojo> have u sudo passwd root?
[06:18] <ich> no
[06:19] <mojo> then do it
[06:19] <mojo> change root password
[06:19] <ich> still wants non
[06:19] <ich> ?
[06:19] <ich> i changed it
[06:19] <ich> still doesnt want one
[06:19] <mojo> Chriffer: can u log out, and log in again and run Users and Group, type in wrong password and start it again?
[06:20] <mojo> ich: that what's i expected
[06:20] <mojo> ich: there is some hole in the security
[06:20] <ich> oh, i understand, yes it is
[06:20] <mojo> ich: the system sometimes ignore the password
[06:20] <ich> =-O
[06:20] <mojo> which means if ppl know ur SSH key and u run a SSH server
[06:21] <mojo> then they can have access to ur PC very easily
[06:21] <ich> yep yep
[06:21] <mojo> i'm fixing it
[06:21] <ich> ok
[06:21] <ich> mmh, what firewall should i use?
[06:21] <mojo> use selinux
[06:21] <ich> didnt got one till now in ubuntu :-/
[06:21] <ich> ?
[06:21] <ich> how selinux
[06:21] <mojo> it's acting like firewall
[06:22] <mojo> it's a policy engine used in Fedora
[06:22] <Kamion> mojo: if people have your SSH key and you su to root from your user account, you're also doomed
[06:22] <nick01> mojo: that's a gnome problem ?
[06:22] <mojo> developed by US Secret Agnent
[06:22] <ich> but i use ubuntu, used fedora a long time
[06:22] <mojo> yes
[06:22] <mojo> yes
[06:22] <ich> so how to get ubuntu run with it?
[06:22] <sivang> doko : can you send the universe only package list remaining from the 2003 DSAs review?
[06:22] <Kamion> mojo: this isn't sudo-specific by any means
[06:22] <mojo> apt-get it
[06:22] <mojo> use Synpatic
[06:22] <mojo> search for selinux
[06:22] <ich> do i have to config it?
[06:23] <mojo> true Kamions
[06:23] <mojo> yes
[06:23] <mojo> U have to read the doc, ich
[06:23] <mojo> its not easy
[06:23] <mojo> but when u've done it
[06:23] <Kamion> selinux is not at all trivial to set up correctly
[06:23] <mojo> ur system is quite secure
[06:23] <ich> could we do this together, not now, later?
[06:23] <ich> i mean in chat
[06:23] <Kamion> or else you have a false sense of security if you didn't set it up right :)
[06:23] <mojo> up to u
[06:24] <ich> so where do you live (timezone)
[06:24] <mojo> and yes, i'm also testing another GNOME Applet bug
[06:24] <mojo> any1 here using SmoothGMOME?
[06:24] <ich> no, but got it
[06:24] <ich> the theme?
[06:24] <mojo> use SmoothGNOME icon pls
[06:24] <kagou> hi guys
[06:24] <ich> wait...
[06:24] <neighborlee> is anyone else seeing really slow brwosing in ubuntu?..in windows my browsing experience flys yet here atm its horridly doggy &/or sites just flat wont come up at all...it started yesterday with pages really slow to load now this...anyone else ? ( as I say I was just i windows and it was perfect)...
[06:25] <ich> usin them now
[06:25] <mojo> ir's just server overflow nLee
[06:25] <mojo> ok ich
[06:25] <mojo> now tell me
[06:25] <mojo> what u see in Trash Applet icon?
[06:25] <unshavenyak> are they in the ubuntu repository mojo?
[06:25] <mojo> no
[06:25] <mojo> they are in art.gnome.org
[06:26] <ich> its not completly on the screen
[06:26] <mojo> u mean 1/2 missing
[06:26] <ich> maybe
[06:26] <ich> i think yes
[06:26] <mojo> that's the bug!
[06:26] <unshavenyak> Thanks mojo
[06:26] <mojo> as I expected
[06:26] <mojo> thx Ich
[06:26] <ich> ok
[06:26] <doko> sivang: I don't have it. maybe just sort out the items that lamont sent.
[06:26] <ich> please
[06:26] <ich> so when do we gonna chat?
[06:26] <unshavenyak> By the wya..does the Evolution 2.0 spam filter work for anyone else?
[06:26] <neighborlee> mabye this will help: would someone see if they can get to: nwn.bioware.com < in decent time ( assuming high speed access) ...inwidnows it was loading in few seconds..here it just now loaded after almost an entire minute...
[06:27] <mojo> yes ushanveyak
[06:27] <mojo> Evo 2 with me
[06:27] <unshavenyak> hrmm ok thanks mojo
[06:27] <mojo> I use spamassassin
[06:27] <ich> so mojo?
[06:27] <ich> what timezone?
[06:27] <sivang> doko : doing that as we speak, i have the 2002 universe list (as I did it :)) though of reviewing 2003 also :)
[06:27] <mojo> I live in South Pacific
[06:27] <sivang> doko : *thought
[06:27] <mojo> Im working for Antartica Research of Australia
[06:28] <ich> what?
[06:28] <ich> ok :)
[06:28] <ich> er, at my system its 6pm and 29mins
[06:28] <ich> so ill be here at 8
[06:28] <ich> ok?
[06:28] <mojo> ppl, I want to inform u guys that pitti has just fixed hald bug, apt-get update pls and u can run Device Manager with no haste!
[06:29] <mojo> maybe ich
[06:29] <ich> maybe?
[06:29] <sivang> pitti is here? :)
[06:29] <mojo> he;s off
[06:29] <sivang> mojo : please send the bug#
[06:29] <mojo> 1405
[06:30] <ich> see you mojo
[06:30] <mojo> cya
[06:30] <ich> ciao
[06:30] <benja> hi, my screen goes black when gnome runs for the first time, any advise
[06:30] <mojo> benja
[06:30] <chutwig> benja: does it get to the login prompt
[06:31] <mojo> start in init3
[06:31] <benja> chutwig, no :(
[06:31] <mojo> and config the XFree86-4
[06:31] <neighborlee> mabye this will help: would someone see if they can get to: nwn.bioware.com < please ?..i'm having nasty slow loading times here
[06:31] <chutwig> what video card
[06:31] <mojo> and make it low res 
[06:31] <mojo> 640x400
[06:31] <mojo> or lower
[06:31] <mojo> and see what happens
[06:31] <benja> chestie, i have an nvidia chipsep
[06:31] <mojo> ...
[06:32] <mojo> nvidia chipset huh
[06:32] <mojo> try
[06:32] <mojo> apt-get install nvidia-glx
[06:32] <liff> uh, anyone here know how to find out if a function is defined in elisp?
[06:32] <mojo> then edit /etc/modules
[06:32] <benja> mojo: A7n266 motherboard
[06:32] <mojo> and add in "nvidia"
[06:32] <mojo> liff: ask plovs_
[06:32] <sivang> neighborlee : doesn't load over here
[06:33] <benja> can i open other TTYs ?
[06:33] <mojo> yes
[06:33] <benja> mojo, how ?
[06:33] <ubuntuwig> ctrl-alt-f2
[06:34] <neighborlee> sivang: well i'mi having load times everywhere now.and mozillla just crashed on fresh boot into linux this AM although I had to manually do dhclient ;(..anyway...is mozilla 1.72 known to have issues any idea ?
[06:34] <ubuntuwig> or just alt-f2 if you're in text mode already
[06:34] <mojo> ctrl-shift-f[1 to 12] 
[06:34] <mojo> or
[06:34] <mojo> alt-f2
[06:34] <mojo> alt-f3
[06:34] <mojo> up to u
[06:34] <benja> mojo, dosent work, im in recovery mode 
[06:34] <ubuntuwig> oh
[06:34] <mojo> oh...
[06:34] <mojo> oh
[06:34] <ubuntuwig> remount the root partition as read-write
[06:34] <sivang> neighborlee : well, is it the upgraded version on your warty? i can upgrade and try also
[06:34] <ubuntuwig> mount -o rw /dev/hdwhatever
[06:34] <mojo> recovery mode huh?, never tried it
[06:34] <mojo> let me see...
[06:35] <ubuntuwig> it's probably the same as debian's recovery mode
[06:35] <mojo> then
[06:35] <mojo> yeah remount root par
[06:35] <ubuntuwig> i don't know if it brings networking up or not
[06:35] <ubuntuwig> if not you're probably easier off just rebooting and waiting for X to error out
[06:37] <ubuntuwig> i once knew a lad named kinnison
[06:38] <mojo> hey
[06:38] <mojo> ubuntu
[06:38] <mojo> ubuntuwig
[06:38] <ubuntuwig> what what what
[06:38] <mojo> u have the NVIDIA_README overthere?
[06:38] <neighborlee> sivang, its what came with ubuntu
[06:38] <chutwig> no, sorry, i don't have an nvidia card
[06:38] <chutwig> rage 128 power here
[06:38] <mojo> neighborLee, u have NVIDIA_README overthere?
[06:39] <sivang> neighborlee : ok, let me check that
[06:39] <sivang> neighborlee : mine's is 0.9.4. I will try to upgrade and than let you know what happens.
[06:39] <neighborlee> mojo, no idea
[06:39] <mojo> any got NVIDIA_README, pls read me the param to turn off the annyoing logo when start up
[06:39] <Mitario> lo everyone
[06:39] <mojo> NO_LOGO something...
[06:40] <tseng> mojo: tried google?
[06:40] <mojo> did
[06:40] <mojo> oh
[06:40] <neighborlee> mojo, I understood installing nvidia-glx etc. would do trick but I must have missed that it needs ( nvidia mod) added to /etc/module :(
[06:40] <mojo> yeah
[06:40] <tseng> you dont really need to ask 3 times
[06:40] <mojo> it's on NVIDIA page
[06:40] <mojo> I'm too dumb lol
[06:40] <tseng> of course it is.
[06:40] <tseng> =/
[06:41] <neighborlee> sivang, odd..well if yours is OLD version then maybe mine was upgraded ( and Ididn't realize it obviously :( ) during apt session LOL
[06:41] <mojo> got my NVIDIA LOGO off now
[06:41] <mojo> ppl, I need ppl opinion on PDF reader, the default is xpdf
[06:41] <sivang> neighborlee : probably - i am upgrading now
[06:41] <mojo> will ppl choos GPDF instead?
[06:42] <chutwig> gpdf is better for GNOME
[06:42] <mojo> yeah
[06:42] <thom> mojo: no, since it doesn't work with all pdfs
[06:42] <chutwig> the second thing i did was install gpdf
[06:42] <mojo> but its not mature enough
[06:42] <thom> xpdf does
[06:42] <mojo> true
[06:42] <mojo> true
[06:42] <chutwig> no?  i've never seen gpdf have a problem
[06:42] <mxpxpod> thom: usually if gpdf doesn't display the pdf, I can open it in ggv
[06:42] <mojo> that's why we won't make it default
[06:42] <hypatia> I've rarely seen it not have a problem.
[06:42] <thom> chutwig: try anything with type 3 fonts, and lots of other things
[06:42] <mojo> it does have
[06:42] <chutwig> guess i don't use it enough
[06:43] <mojo> many probs with some weird PDF and some security issues
[06:43] <neighborlee> sivang, k thx...I hope this doesn't give you instability issues too ;(...we may both need to quickly head back toa diffrent version LOL
[06:43] <mojo> next version
[06:43] <mojo> maybe Ubuntu will ship GPDF
[06:43] <sivang> neighborlee : nahh, that's ok,. worst case we'd downgrade the version.
[06:43] <mojo> and depracated xpdf to universe
[06:44] <neighborlee> sivang, so odd..nwn.bioware.com was working great in windows...it might be just coincidence and bioware might well be having off and on problems LOL!!
[06:44] <neighborlee> sivang, yup
[06:44] <mojo> another poll for all users
[06:44] <neighborlee> yes bush needs to go
[06:44] <sivang> neighborlee : i guess so it's a coincidence, although I don't have a win to check..:)
[06:44] <mojo> b/w eye of gnome and gThumb?
[06:44] <neighborlee> mojo, oops! maybe that wasn't the poll ? <G>
[06:44] <mojo> which one u like
[06:44] <neighborlee> lMAO
[06:45] <mojo> maybe eog will be removed in next version
[06:45] <mojo> but I still work on the dep b/w Nautilus and gThumb
[06:45] <mojo> they seems not to work very well with each other
[06:46] <chutwig> there's a lot of a-fussin' and a-feudin'
[06:46] <tvon|x31> eog removal? eh?
[06:46] <mojo> eog is not as good as gThumb
[06:47] <chutwig> great scallop's foreclaws!  what's with all the beer, fry
[06:51] <chutwig> hooray, time to endure 90 minutes of misery on the jersey turnpike
[06:53] <neighborlee> sivang, yes its mozilla
[06:53] <sivang> neighborlee : ok, how did you make a final conclusion?
[06:53] <neighborlee> sivang, seems to be anyway...its consistenly hanging t rying to get to a download ...
[06:53] <sivang> neighborlee : well, my upgrade still didn't finish. I am waiting for it to
[06:53] <neighborlee> sivang, i'm tryhing to get opera download from their site..for sid..its trying but hanging up consistenly
[06:53] <neighborlee> sivang, ok
[06:55] <neighborlee> sivang, yeah i'm sure now...its consisstenly barfing by my just trying to get to a certain download location..
[06:55] <neighborlee> sivang, ie: it should just say 'page not found' or keep trying to load it and just give time out error but its crashing
[06:56] <neighborlee> thankfully force quit works so nice heh
[06:57] <neighborlee> sivang, got it that time LOL..ie: opera download..whew ;-00
[06:57] <neighborlee> sivang, just in time too..firefox crashed again LOL
[06:58] <neighborlee> grr well that bites..opera needs libqt LOL
[06:58] <neighborlee> o_0
[07:03] <neighborlee> sivang, opera is browsing normally now  whew..yup its defintely mozillla
[07:03] <neighborlee> sivang, something is borked in 1.72
[07:04] <unshavenyak> have you tried firefox neighbor?
[07:07] <ish> I just converted an ext2 partition to ext3.. 'mount' shows the file system to have type 'unknown' - any ideas?
[07:08] <ish> Should I be able to see the .journal file with ls -a?
[07:13] <mojo> hey
[07:13] <mojo> what link to Trash folder?
[07:13] <mojo> is it :///trash???
[07:14] <seb128> trash:///
[07:14] <mojo> thx!
[07:14] <ErQ> Any known problems with alsa and no /dev/dsp? 
[07:15] <jman> can anyone out there help with a sound config problem on a clean install?
[07:15] <ErQ> Have a Dell Latitude C640 with i810_audio...
[07:16] <jman> this is an inspiron 8500 with i810
[07:16] <jman> did you have to do any config out of the box?
[07:16] <Tomcat_> ErQ, jman: More than one audio device? (Webcam, TV card?)
[07:16] <ErQ> no, but the sound dont work.... 
[07:16] <ErQ> Tomcat_: no
[07:17] <Tomcat_> ErQ: What /dev/dsp* files are there?
[07:17] <jman> no, just the sound card.  when you try to raise the volume it just drops back down and the mixer will not launch with error no devices found 
[07:17] <ErQ> lsmod shows loaded modules and among them also i810_audio
[07:18] <ErQ> Tomcat_: have no /dev/dsp at all!
[07:18] <sivang> neighborlee : send me the link again
[07:19] <mojo> how to create a Trash link on destkop?
[07:20] <Tomcat_> Sorry, no idea then... maybe somebody else can help.
[07:20] <ErQ> Tomcat_: thanks anyway! =)
[07:20] <jman> yea, thanks
[07:20] <ZolMed> hi, in Gnome how can I stretch my panel across both monitors (Xinerama) setup?
[07:20] <yuran> mojo, in Configuration Editor, /apps/nautilus/desktop 
[07:21] <Tomcat_> ;)
[07:21] <mojo> okay thx
[07:22] <ish> Where are modules like reiserfs getting loaded?
[07:22] <ish> I don't have reiserfs..
[07:22] <terence> i can't get over the 640x resolution. i've edited the XF86Config-4 but it didnt help
[07:24] <Anna> Ah wonderful, other ubuntus
[07:24] <mojo> saynora ppl, I got to sleep, it's 3AM now
[07:25] <Anna> it's 19.25 in Hilland
[07:25] <Anna> Holland
[07:26] <Anna> I don't understand, there are so many people signed on, but nobody is chatting?
[07:26] <jk> yuppers
[07:26] <Anna> Are you all engaged in private chats
[07:26] <jk> Anna: everyone's prutsing
[07:26] <yuran> Anna, welcome to irc
[07:26] <jk> ;)
[07:26] <Anna> prutsing?
[07:26] <Tomcat_> IRC is just another form of Instant Messaging. :o
[07:26] <Anna> Hi
[07:26] <jk> prutsen ;)
[07:27] <Anna> Oh, I should explain, I'm in Holland but I'm not Dutch
[07:27] <Tomcat_> In ICQ there are millions of people online, but I doubt most of them are chatting all the time :>
[07:27] <jk> Anna: ah ok sorry
[07:27] <Anna> So while I speak Dutch, I don't understand some of the more specific words
[07:27] <jk> Anna: i meant to say 'everyone's messing around in his/her new ubuntu install'
[07:28] <Anna> Tomcat, I thought the people signed on here in this particular room are here because of the assigned context of Ubuntu linux
[07:28] <Nonphasis> aargh
[07:28] <yuran> jk, you can say all of that with just one word in Dutch!? :)
[07:28] <jk> hrm...firefox crashes everytime i fill in the google search bar...grmbl...
[07:28] <ZolMed> I'm thinking of installing ubuntu on my PowerPC G4 PowerBook.  Anyone got any tips?
[07:28] <neighborlee> sivang, nwn.bioware.com
[07:28] <Nonphasis> how can I make gnome honour my .Xmodmap?
[07:28] <jk> yuran: well...not quite, but the messing around part...yes ;)
[07:28] <Anna> I see jk
[07:28] <ZolMed> jk: have you imported any true type fonts?
[07:29] <Nonphasis> seems like gnome keyboard layout thingie overrides it...
[07:29] <jk> ZolMed: nothing besides the fonts which came with ubuntu
[07:29] <ZolMed> jk: ok, thought it mights have been a permissions problem with fonts.
[07:29] <jk> zsh: 26057 segmentation fault  firefox
[07:30] <jk> nope :P
[07:30] <Anna> Anyway, I must say the so far I'm delighted about Ubuntu, it is my first GNU/linux experience
[07:30] <Anna> I'm a Linux moron
[07:30] <ZolMed> Anna: so am I 
[07:30] <terence> why isn't there any other than 850xsomething in the screen resolution program ?
[07:30] <Nonphasis> speaking of which, is just Linux (sans GNU/) ok in Ubuntu parlance?
[07:31] <Anna> So I was actually in the process of installing Debian, ripping half my hair out in the process and along came Ubuntu with this really nice installer
[07:31] <Anna> Ah ZolMed, so I'm not alone.
[07:31] <whiprush> heh, you weren't doing a woody install were you?
[07:31] <Anna> Yes, actually I was
[07:31] <whiprush> heh, picking modules by hands. :(
[07:31] <Anna> Yup, what a nightmare
[07:32] <Kamion> Nonphasis: we prefer to say just "Ubuntu" to avoid the thorny issue entirely
[07:32] <Nonphasis> Kamion, great
[07:32] <Kamion> Anna: FYI, the Ubuntu installer is a modified version of the new Debian installer
[07:32] <Nonphasis> It feels overly PC/pedantic when ppl say GNU/Linux
[07:32] <Anna> Is that so?
[07:33] <Anna> I think Richard Stallman would disagree with you person with unreadable yellow screen name font
[07:33] <Anna> I hope this wont start a flame now;-)
[07:33] <Kamion> Nonphasis: I happen to prefer saying GNU/Linux myself, but that's largely a personal matter
[07:33] <Nonphasis> Anna, still, if you are a linux newbie, Ubuntu is a much better bet. Debian tends to need much more hackage
[07:33] <ZolMed> try running it without the GNU stuff :-)
[07:34] <Kamion> it's emotive enough that the core team decided a while ago that we would rather just avoid the issue as much as possible
[07:34] <Nonphasis> it's amusing how ppl get so emotinal about these issues
[07:35] <michel_v_> hi
[07:35] <jk> yup
[07:35] <unshavenyak> aaah anyway to get unrar or rar added to the repisitory?
[07:35] <michel_v_> what's the md5sum of warty-i386.iso?
[07:35] <Anna> The only "problem" I have with "GNU/Linux" is that it interrupts the flow of speech. If it was joined into something like Gnulux that would be better I suppose
[07:36] <Kamion> michel_v_: there's an MD5SUMS file right beside it
[07:36] <Kamion> Anna: don't even go there :-)
[07:36] <Anna> About Debian: Well for me, Ubuntu is tons better since I haven't even managed to install Debian
[07:36] <michel_v_> Kamion: ah, I didn't see that in the Italian mirror
[07:36] <michel_v_> so I assumed it was forgotten
[07:37] <Kamion> michel_v_: which mirror is that? it's not in http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[07:37] <jm_> so no one wants to try and get sound working for a dell laptop with an i810 chipset?
[07:37] <whiprush> I can try
[07:37] <jk> hmm no mplayer too
[07:38] <whiprush> although I just got rid of my dell. :(
[07:38] <neighborlee> sivang, any luck ?
[07:38] <jm_> whip: its an inspiron 8599
[07:38] <whiprush> are the modules loaded? the sound modules?
[07:38] <michel_v_> Kamion: http://ftp3.linux.it/pub/mirrors/warty/
[07:39] <michel_v_> the one listed on ubuntulinux.org/download
[07:39] <whiprush> I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that both the oss and alsa modules are loaded. Because that used to happen to me all the time.
[07:39] <jm_> snd_intel8x0           35468  0
[07:39] <jm_> snd_ac97_codec         67844  1 snd_intel8x0
[07:39] <whiprush> is i810_audio loaded?
[07:39] <Kamion> michel_v_: oh, bah, how did those get out of sync?
[07:39] <michel_v_> hmm, could it be ubuntu released a new preview iso? O_o
[07:39] <Kamion> michel_v_: no, we have not
[07:39] <Anna> One thing I was wondering is how I access the "middle" package application between the standard and the universe. (I forgot the name)
[07:39] <michel_v_> ah ok
[07:40] <schweeb> jm_: what hardware are you running? Dell laptop possibly?
[07:40] <michel_v_> because on the UK mirror, files were dated 21 sept
[07:40] <Kamion> michel_v_: I'll see if we can get the Italian mirror to fix that
[07:40] <rune> i have commented out all other depths than 24 and have only one resolution on that one (1150xsomething) but ubuntu still uses some low 800 res
[07:40] <Anna> How do I tell the Package Manager I want to peek into the universe?
[07:40] <Kamion> michel_v_: the UK mirror is not a mirror, it's the master sitre
[07:40] <Kamion> site
[07:40] <whiprush> schweeb: it's a dell laptop yes
[07:40] <michel_v_> ah, good
[07:40] <schweeb> whiprush: it's the parport_pc problem
[07:40] <jm_> whip: i dont see i810, just intel8x0
[07:41] <Kamion> michel_v_: the links on /download/ currently point to the daily CD builds, not the preview release
[07:41] <schweeb> jm_: edit /etc/modules and remove "lp"
[07:41] <schweeb> jm_: then reboot, and check if lp, parport_pc, or parport are still loaded
[07:41] <Kamion> michel_v_: just noticed that the heading on the web page is confusing, however
[07:41] <schweeb> jm_: which they shouldn't be
[07:41] <michel_v_> Kamion: aaaaah, where is the preview release?
[07:41] <Anna> And another thing: Oops, I forgot.
[07:41] <schweeb> jm_: if they are, I'll have to tell you how to blacklist them
[07:41] <jk> Anna: Preferences -> Repositories, add 'universe' to the sections of the warty sources
[07:42] <jm_> schweeb, time to reboot. i'll be back
[07:42] <jk> (after main restricted)
[07:42] <michel_v_> Kamion: that's indeed confusing, since there doesn't seem to be a link to the actual preview release iso
[07:42] <Anna> Oh thanks jk
[07:42] <michel_v_> Kamion: good thing I checked, I was about to delete the iso I got on the italian mirror (the preview release one)
[07:43] <Kamion> michel_v_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/warty/preview/
[07:43] <michel_v_> and I found my iso had the right md5sum. so it has to be my lone cdrw that is dead
[07:43] <Kamion> michel_v_: yes, I just mailed one of the web site people about that
[07:43] <michel_v_> because for some reason the install always crapped out while extracting libc6 :/
[07:45] <jm_> schweeb, no lp in /etc/modules
[07:45] <ish> whats with laptop mode?  when I have it on 'acpi -b' fails.. with laptop mode off it works.
[07:45] <schweeb> jm_: lsmod | grep parport
[07:45] <schweeb> and post
[07:45] <mxpxpod> is there a way to convert my sendmail config to postfix?
[07:45] <jm_> schweb: parport_pc             34752  0
[07:45] <jm_> parport                40712  1 parport_pc
[07:46] <schweeb> jm_: edit /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[07:46] <schweeb> jm_: add lp, parport, and parport_pc to the end
[07:46] <schweeb> reboot
[07:46] <schweeb> check if they're loaded
[07:46] <schweeb> (it's aggravating how many different ways modules are loaded)
[07:47] <schweeb> anyways, long story short, parport is blocking IRQ7 on Dell laptops for some reason... prolly cause of a shitty APIC
[07:48] <Anna> I have to feed my cat before he starts gnawing on my toes.
[07:49] <tvon|x31> my cat does that after I feed him
[07:49] <tvon|x31> little bastard
[07:49] <michel_v_> just in case: anybody knows how I could boot ubuntu's iso directly from grub?
[07:49] <Anna> Not me <chuckle>
[07:49] <michel_v_> I tried with using the path to the uncompressed iso's vmlinuz and initrd.gz, but that would crap out in a kernel vfs error :)
[07:50] <Anna> brb
[07:52] <Jason_Perlow-Lin> heya.
[07:52] <Jason_Perlow-Lin> has anyone tried to install the AMD version
[07:52] <Loppan> schweeb: thanks for the dell laptop info, suddenly /dev/dsp appeared
[07:52] <Jason_Perlow-Lin> and had a problem with the kernel not fitting into memory when it boots up after initial install
[07:53] <hypatia> has anyone ever had firefox start up and... be totally blank?
[07:53] <Mithrandir> yes, by telling it to use a blank page as home page
[07:53] <schweeb> Loppan: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1254
[07:53] <schweeb> Mithrandir: either that, or an existing ffox window is open
[07:54] <hypatia> Mithrandir: and that killed all the menus and buttons did it?
[07:54] <Mithrandir> hypatia: hmm, no, buttons and stuff was fine.
[07:54] <hypatia> Mithrandir: I mean *totally* blank, as in "not rendering"
[07:54] <jm_> schweeb: you are awesp,e
[07:54] <Mithrandir> hypatia: no, never
[07:54] <jm_> awesome
[07:54] <hypatia> Interestingly, the right click menu still works
[07:54] <schweeb> indeed I am :p
[07:55] <masticator> ah, its in bugzilla.
[07:55] <masticator> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1545
[07:55] <masticator> I have 3GB of RAM, thats why.
[07:55] <jm_> schweeb:i caught the tail end of the explanation, what exatly are lp and parport
[07:55] <schweeb> parallel port modules
[07:56] <jm_> well, i def dont need that
[07:56] <schweeb> for some reason IRQ sharing isn't working w/ it
[07:56] <rune> no one knows how i can fix the screen resolution ?
[07:56] <Kamion> michel_v_: talked to the Italian mirror admin, the MD5SUMS file is there now
[07:57] <schweeb> jm_: yea, most people don't use the legacy interfaces anymore
[07:57] <schweeb> serial is useful to have on still
[07:57] <jm_> so if i had disabled the paralell port in the bios this might not have happened?
[07:57] <schweeb> but you can still get a USB dongle for it
[07:58] <schweeb> disabling it should probably work
[07:58] <schweeb> but better to fix the problem in software
[07:58] <jm_> yea
[07:58] <sivang> neighborlee : apparently not :(
[07:58] <schweeb> especially if you come upon an unplanned use of the parallel port
[07:58] <schweeb> you don't have to remember "hey I disabled it in the BIOS too"
[07:58] <zombics> i just installed the A64 vertion of ubuntu. when i tryed to install the nvidia-glx i got this error: "Package nvidia-glx is not available, but is referred to by another package. what can i do?"
[07:59] <jm_> schweeb: while i have your attention, i have another quick question.  my firewire drive wont automount from fstab
[07:59] <schweeb> you manually added it to fstab?
[07:59] <jm_> schweeb: that happened under debian woody as well
[07:59] <jm_> yes
[07:59] <schweeb> remove it
[07:59] <jm_> oh
[07:59] <jm_> ok
[07:59] <Cardador> zombics: do you have all the repositories active?
[07:59] <schweeb> do you know about project utopia?
[07:59] <jm_> i read about it
[08:00] <michel_v_> thanks Kamion 
[08:00] <schweeb> with udev, hal, and hotplug, devices can be automatically detected and added easily
[08:00] <michel_v_> I just burned ubuntu again, this time on a cdr, that'll show if it's the aging laptop's cd drive that's bleeped
[08:00] <jm_> schweeb: and how does one go about doing that
[08:01] <michel_v_> or ubuntu that craps out at unpackaging time when there's only about 64 megs of RAM :p
[08:01] <schweeb> basically, remove the manual fstab entry, unplug the drive, plug it in, and it should pop up a GNOME window
[08:01] <michel_v_> (I hope it was just the cdrw)
[08:01] <schweeb> ubuntu uses utopia by default, jm_, should be no setup involved
[08:01] <jm_> schweeb, ok
[08:01] <zombics> Cardador, yes
[08:02] <Cardador> zombics: try to search for nvidia-glx in synaptic
[08:02] <goatboy_> zombics: there isn't an amd64 package of nvidia-glx yet.
[08:03] <zombics> goatboy_, so what can i do? :/
[08:03] <zombics> cant i install the the 32B package?
[08:04] <goatboy_> zombics: get the driver from nvidia.com and install manually?
[08:04] <jm_> schweeb: alright it came up, now will it come back as that same mount /media/sdb1 every time? 
[08:04] <schweeb> no
[08:04] <Tomcat_> Anybody got a log of 3 hours ago? Which dev did I talk to?
[08:04] <zombics> goatboy_, but it akes me for the kernel-sources
[08:04] <schweeb> I'm not 100% sure about using HAL for static mounts
[08:04] <ich> mojo: im back
[08:05] <ich> lets do it
[08:05] <Kamion> Tomcat_: probably me
[08:05] <phlaegel> jm_: if you want a consistent name, add a udev rule
[08:05] <goatboy_> zombics: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[08:05] <Tomcat_> Oh... yeah it was you. :)
[08:05] <Tomcat_> Kamion: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1566
[08:05] <schweeb> only devices I have are a USB flash stick, and CF driver, so I don't generally mess w/ it
[08:05] <Kamion> Tomcat_: thanks, if it's assigned to me I'll see it :)
[08:05] <Tomcat_> Just so you don't overlook it. :P
[08:05] <schweeb> s/driver/disk/
[08:05] <Tomcat_> Oh, alright.
[08:05] <masticator> any ubuntu staffers on the channel right now?
[08:05] <zombics> goatboy_, so after this just to install the nvidia drivers?
[08:05] <Kamion> Tomcat_: thanks, though
[08:05] <ich> anybody know a good firewall for ubuntu
[08:06] <jm_> phlaegel: what is the syntax for that/
[08:06] <Lowe> firestarter is good
[08:06] <masticator> I was wondering if I could speak to someone from Canonical, I am a writer with Linux Magazine
[08:06] <goatboy_> zombics: yeah
[08:06] <michel_v_> ah, it didn't crap out of libc6 this time
[08:06] <Kamion> Tomcat_: I've talked briefly to mdz about it, I'll be reviewing the complete diff to newer parted and possibly we'll just pull it straight in
[08:06] <phlaegel> jm_: look in /etc/udev/udev.rules to get an idea
[08:06] <Tomcat_> Kamion: You can come back to me on the problem, but don't be upset if I have no way to test it.... as I said, backing up is much time, which I don't have right now.
[08:06] <Cardador> How do I file in a bug?
[08:06] <jm_>  ok
[08:06] <michel_v_> yay \o/ at last I won't have to guess what hardware is on my old laptop :P
[08:06] <Kamion> Tomcat_: fair enough
[08:06] <jm_> phlaegel: i did udevruler and it has a gui
[08:06] <ich> what firewall do you use?
[08:07] <Kamion> masticator: will get back to you in a moment if nobody else does, a number of us have a meeting going on at the moment
[08:07] <phlaegel> jm_: nice. I just did it manually... udev rules are pretty simple.
[08:08] <michel_v_> oh, ubuntu uses udev right away?
[08:08] <michel_v_> that's bloody nice
[08:08] <michel_v_> I just hope ubuntu doesn't use the new 'ub' driver for usb-storage by default
[08:08] <zombics> goatboy_, THX ! i will chek it out
[08:09] <rune> how can i change the resolution in ubuntu ?
[08:10] <Lowe> use firestarter ich it pwns 
[08:10] <rune> Lowe: me ?
[08:10] <Lowe> woops he left
[08:10] <rune> oh.
[08:11] <Anna> rune: computer/system configuration/screen resolution
[08:11] <Lowe> that ich guy, but he left
[08:11] <Anna> If that's what you meant.
[08:12] <Anna> But I wonder myself how to change the Hz, at least I have no option in the drop down menu, it's stuck at 60Hz and it's hurting my eyes.
[08:13] <Anna> (The 60Hz being at 1024x768)
[08:14] <rune> Anna: it only has a really low listed, despite that there is higher in XF86Config-4
[08:14] <zombics> hmmm when i run the nvidia drivers install i get this error: could not compile gcc_version_check.c
[08:15] <goatboy_> zombics: do you have gcc installed?
[08:16] <ulmen> is there a small netinstall iso image somewhere? i wasn't able to find one ...
[08:16] <Qo-noS> rune: man xrandr
[08:16] <Anna> Rune, I don't have enough information to connect a meaning from your sentence. Are you saying that 60Hz is the max? I'm afraid I don't know what XF86Config-4 means.
[08:17] <rune> Anna: XF86Config-4 is the config file for X
[08:18] <sivang> Anna : what seems to be the problem?
[08:18] <zombics> f
[08:18] <Anna> Ok, so you're saying that technically it's possible to go higher than 60Hz but that option is not enabled in Gnome/Ubuntu?
[08:19] <schweeb> it means you need to tweak your h/v frequency settings in XF86Config-4
[08:19] <zombics> :\ now when i try to install the nvidia driver i get that it cant backup libGLcore :\
[08:19] <rune> schweeb: i have. hz is not the problem, resolutiob
[08:19] <rune> resolution is
[08:19] <crud> ubuntu is stable ?
[08:19] <minghua> Anna: the problem is ubuntu doesn't know exactly how your monitor can perform
[08:19] <schweeb> ^^^^
[08:19] <minghua> Anna: so it sets the frequency at a safe low value
[08:20] <Anna> sivang, I'm trying to set a higher Hz in the GUI, but I'm finding out that I need to do that from the command prompt?
[08:20] <Anna> screen resolution...
[08:20] <Cardador> Anna: exact
[08:20] <rune> Qo-noS:  xrandr --size 1280x1024
[08:20] <schweeb> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[08:20] <rune> Qo-noS: doesn't do anything
[08:20] <schweeb> and reset your monitor preferences
[08:20] <rune> schweeb: ok, thanks.
[08:21] <zombics> :\ now when i try to install the nvidia driver i get that it cant backup libGLcore :\ no1? :\
[08:21] <schweeb> use "medium"
[08:21] <schweeb> and select whatever the max your monitor can do
[08:21] <Anna> I see. I've never done anything on the command prompt:-(
[08:21] <schweeb> "1024x768@75Hz" or whatever
[08:21] <minghua> Anna: try it, it's not that hard :)
[08:21] <sivang> Anna : from my experience, only from editing the XF86Config-4 , the X configuration file
[08:21] <Anna> I'm scared;-)
[08:22] <Qo-noS> rune: xrandr -h
[08:22] <minghua> Anna: do what schweeb said, dpkg-configure is quite easy to use
[08:22] <schweeb> dpkg-reconfigure that is
[08:22] <minghua> yeah, sorry for the confusion
[08:24] <Anna> I'm rereading the chat for things I've missed. 
[08:25] <michel_v_> just wondering, are there plans to switch to xorg 6.x for the actual release?
[08:25] <Kamion> michel_v_: no, that will be in Hoary, not Warty
[08:25] <sivang> schweeb : I have set up the vert refrsh set using dpkg, but it won't let me choose the higher ones.
[08:25] <michel_v_> ok
[08:25] <rune> schweeb: neither dpkg-configure or dpkg-reconfigure does anything to XF86Config-4
[08:25] <Kamion> michel_v_: we wouldn't totally switch the whole X infrastructure at this point in the release cycle
[08:25] <_Hiro_> can anyone actually subscribe to the ubuntu-users list? because I tried several times now
[08:25] <michel_v_> yeah, I guess :p
[08:25] <schweeb> rune: hrm, I've run into that problem before
[08:25] <michel_v_> moreover, it seems there are no Debian packages for xorg yet, right?
[08:26] <schweeb> I don't remember how to fix it
[08:26] <rune> schweeb: it seems like ubuntu uses some other file
[08:26] <schweeb> no
[08:26] <schweeb> did you manually edit anything in the file?
[08:26] <rune> schweeb: yes.
[08:26] <schweeb> that's usually when it goes all wonky
[08:26] <schweeb> and I could never get it to generate a new one
[08:26] <rune> schweeb: well i know what im doing
[08:26] <Kamion> michel_v_: I think there are experimental ones floating around somewhere but they're not recommended for use. We employ one of the X.org developers, so the packaging will happen
[08:26] <rune> schweeb: hm
[08:27] <Kamion> rune: read the comments in the file
[08:27] <michel_v_> Kamion: ah, that's great to hear :D
[08:27] <rune> schweeb: well the changes i did first didn't take effect, and they *should*
[08:27] <Kamion> # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
[08:27] <Kamion> # again, run the following commands as root:
[08:27] <Kamion> #
[08:27] <Kamion> #   cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.custom
[08:27] <Kamion> #   md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum
[08:27] <minghua> shweeb: I remember you need to overwrite the md5 sum dpkg keeps for XF86Config-4
[08:27] <Kamion> #   dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[08:27] <elm1> i think they plane to use x.org in the next release 
[08:27] <_Hiro_> you're one of the ubuntu people Kamion?
[08:27] <Kamion> _Hiro_: yes
[08:27] <_Hiro_> thx a lot then :)
[08:27] <schweeb> minghua: ahh, didn't know about that shyte
[08:27] <elm1> that is version 5.4
[08:27] <_Hiro_> very nice distro
[08:27] <schweeb> minghua: /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xfree86.md5sum ?
[08:27] <minghua> schweeb: just what Kamion said
[08:27] <Kamion> schweeb: read what I just pasted above :)
[08:27] <Lowe> kamion is there any plans to havesome sort of GUI mounter?
[08:28] <schweeb> Kamion: heh
[08:28] <schweeb> yea, I know how to config the file on my own, so I wasn't really worried
[08:28] <Kamion> Lowe: I'm not a desktop guy, sorry, little idea about GUI plans
[08:28] <minghua> schweeb: only necessary if you modified XF86Config-4 by hand
[08:28] <elm1> does anybody know hen the actual 4.10 release date is
[08:28] <schweeb> but it sucks when I tell my friends how to tweak one config setting on the cmdline, and then they can't use dpkg-reconfigure :-/
[08:28] <Lowe> Kamion: ah i see
[08:29] <minghua> schweeb: the whole thing Kamion pasted, three commands
[08:29] <schweeb> ya ya
[08:29] <Kamion> elm1: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog/ReleaseSchedule
[08:29] <schweeb> now that I know it's md5sum that's the problem, I can figure it out myself ;)
[08:29] <schweeb> didn't really invest the time to research the prob
[08:29] <elm1> thank !!!
[08:29] <minghua> schweeb: and ``md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum'' is one command
[08:29] <elm1> i mean thanks !!!
[08:30] <schweeb> although, an error saying "md5sums different, overwrite file?" would be nice
[08:30] <minghua> schweeb: I agree, especially this seems to be a change from woody
[08:31] <elm1> has anybody encountered error with ReiserFS when installing ?
[08:31] <elm1> i could not install using ReiserFS
[08:31] <elm1> seems to be a Debian bug 
[08:32] <elm1> UserLInux has the same problems
[08:32] <Cardador> i have reiserfs
[08:32] <Cardador> no problems for me
[08:32] <elm1> my installation stopped when i used reiser
[08:33] <elm1> then i switched to ext3 and it was fine
[08:33] <elm1> anybody exerience sth similar ?
[08:33] <schweeb> minghua: anyone file a bug report?  cause they'll fix it
[08:33] <Anna>  "but it sucks when I tell my friends how to tweak one config setting on the cmdline, and then they can't use dpkg-reconfigure"    Your friends are like me;-)
[08:34] <Anna> Sorry I suck:-) 
[08:34] <minghua> schweeb: should be, let me check
[08:34] <minghua> schweeb: I mean there should be a debian bug
[08:34] <Kamion> schweeb: it was a deliberate change to avoid overwriting user changes
[08:34] <Kamion> schweeb: about the best thing that could be done would be to use ucf
[08:34] <schweeb> Kamion: I understand... that's why I'm saying there should be a prompt
[08:35] <Kamion> schweeb: there are about a million bugs asking about various permutations of this, though :)
[08:35] <rune> i did the dpkg-reconfigure routine correctly now, it edited the file, but nothing has changed
[08:36] <Cardador> rune: sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[08:37] <Cardador> Section "Monitor"
[08:37] <Cardador> 	Identifier	"Generic Monitor"
[08:37] <Cardador> 	HorizSync	30-96
[08:37] <Cardador> 	VertRefresh	50-160
[08:37] <elm1> cardador: did you have reiserFS before you installed or did you use th edebian installer to create a reiser partition?
[08:37] <Cardador> rune: on horiz and vert fill it up with the correct values for you monitor
[08:37] <Cardador> those numbers are for mine
[08:38] <Cardador> elm1: i had reiserfs before
[08:38] <elm1> ah - maybe it is sth with the debian installer then ...
[08:39] <rune> Cardador: ok ill try
[08:39] <minghua> schweeb: there are actually 3 debian bugs, for example http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=229097
[08:39] <schweeb> heh
[08:39] <schweeb> nice
[08:39] <minghua> schweeb: and I know debian maintainers are working on it
[08:39] <schweeb> yea
[08:40] <schweeb> I don't even bother searching the debian DB much anymore... it's too huge
[08:40] <schweeb> I always see unresolved crap from like 2 years ago
[08:40] <schweeb> (exaggeration)
[08:41] <minghua> schweeb: yeah, there are just too many packages and too complicated interactions
[08:41] <minghua> schweeb: on the other hand, severe bugs are usually solved quite soon
[08:42] <schweeb> indeed
[08:42] <minghua> i don't check them either unless i want to submit a new one
[08:42] <minghua> and usually I found out it's already reported
[08:45] <chutwig> hooray i love the turnpike
[08:49] <Anna> Argh. I've been googling on "dpkg-reconfigure", but at my stage that is not an option yet, I was using IE up to a week ago.... The whole point of me getting Ubuntu was to largely avoid these non GUI things. 
[08:49] <chutwig> problem, what is
[08:49] <schweeb> dpkg-reconfigure is menu driven
[08:50] <minghua> Anna: dpkg-reconfigure is no different than the questions you answered when you installed ubuntu
[08:50] <minghua> Anna: and if you are not sure, stick with the default answers
[08:50] <minghua> Anna: just change the monitor part
[08:51] <Kamion> Anna: while we do aim to free you of this kind of question, you're still beta-testing an as yet not-fully-released new distribution :-)
[08:52] <Kamion> Anna: so, for now, there are still some things you have to do by hand
[08:52] <chutwig> linux will be linux
[08:52] <Cardador> Anna: sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[08:53] <Kamion> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingXautoconfiguration is the set of information we need to get to improve the autoconfiguration
[08:53] <Kamion> Cardador: not unless you want to go through the spiel above later
[08:53] <chutwig> the X autoconfig worked well for me
[08:53] <Cardador> Kamion: you have a point
[08:54] <chutwig> i had to adjust the refresh rates manually because the video card is really old and at 1280x1024 @ 75 the card's RAMDAC was obviously not up to the task
[08:54] <chutwig> but putting it back to 60 Hz made everyone happy again and gave me readable text
[08:57] <_Hiro_> I wish to file a bug report about udev, so as Component I put udev right?
[08:57] <Anna> I didn't mean to imply I'm unwilling or uninterested to learn Linux, and I certainly don't want to remain a GUI slave any longer than I have to.
[08:57] <chutwig> heh
[08:57] <chutwig> i wouldn't call it being a GUI slave
[08:58] <_Hiro_> hmm it seems to be, it appeared in the list :)
[08:58] <chutwig> i know my way around the shell but i would still never want to have to use only a console all the time
[08:58] <terence> Cardador, thanks for the help! :)
[08:58] <Cardador> np
[08:59] <Cardador> terence: did i help you? :)
[08:59] <Cardador> dont remember
[08:59] <Anna> The part of being newbie which is the most awful is constantly being reminded of ones limitations:-)
[08:59] <chutwig> everyone's been there at some point
[08:59] <terence> Cardador: maybe i was using another nick, the vert and horizontal refresh settings anyway
[09:00] <chutwig> most people still are even if they don't think it
[09:00] <Cardador> ah ok, so you were rune
[09:00] <Kamion> Anna: nothing wrong with that, we're trying to produce a desktop distribution after all
[09:00] <michel_v_> I hate having to use a shell to do something
[09:00] <michel_v_> when I know I could easily do it in a GUI
[09:01] <michel_v_> (and I know my way around the shell, thank you very much)
[09:01] <liff> is there some magic required to get dns-sd stuff working in nautilus?
[09:01] <chutwig> i like my mac specifically because i know i have the terminal there if i ever want to use it but there's no reason why i should ever HAVE to
[09:01] <sheinlein> Hi, how can I erase a rewritable CD only using nautilus-cd-burner?
[09:01] <Anna> I wasn't aware Ubuntu is pre release. 
[09:02] <Kamion> Anna: not to be market-researchy or anything :-), but how did you find out about us?
[09:03] <Cardador> quite polished for a pre-release, kudos for the devs
[09:04] <Anna> Kamion: In a moment of delusion of grandeur I decided to ditch Windows *and* <gasp> try Debian. I tried for a week to install Woody and gave up.
[09:04] <liff> sheinlein: i think you can only do it when you're writing a new cd
[09:04] <Anna> I don't exactly remember how I landed on the Ubuntu website.
[09:05] <tritium> Has anyone by chance tried installing ubuntu's evolution-exchange package on debian sid?
[09:05] <michel_v_> Anna: I feel your frustration
[09:05] <punkass> osnews..got me here..
[09:05] <Anna> But it was like my prayers were answered. An installable Debian
[09:05] <_Hiro_> do I have to add anything to this bugreport? it's my first bugzilla one ever :| https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1569
[09:05] <Kamion> Anna: fair enough, we (er, let me put my Debian hat on here) are really trying to put out a release with the new installer RSN, but Ubuntu will probably beat it out the door
[09:06] <Anna> But I have now ditched Windows actually.
[09:07] <liff> _Hiro_: what does your /proc/cmdline say?
[09:08] <_Hiro_> root=/dev/sda3 ro quiet splash
[09:08] <_Hiro_> it's important?
[09:08] <_Hiro_> I didn't really touch grub, all autogenerated
[09:08] <Anna> Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with "rising up to the task" and I am burning to become not fluent but at least bring my computing knowledge up to the level of being able to set up a network, host a domain on a server I configure myself and perhaps even write some code.
[09:09] <Anna> It's a long shot but I've set my mind to it..
[09:09] <liff> _Hiro_: no, just wondering if it was disabled there but apparently not..
[09:09] <chutwig> prepare for months of frustration
[09:09] <Anna> LOL
[09:09] <zombics> when i tryed to install the NVIDIA driver i got this error: -> The installer has encountered the following error during installation: 'Cannot backup /usr/lib64/libGL.so.1'.  Continue anyway?
[09:10] <tvon|x31> backup smackup
[09:10] <tvon|x31> er, shmackup
[09:10] <zombics> ? :/
[09:10] <tvon|x31> hrmph, anyways
[09:10] <zombics> did you talked 2 me?
[09:10] <Kamion> lib64? are you on amd64?
[09:10] <tvon|x31> You should be okay, I'd note the error though incase you have issues later (so you can file a bug report)
[09:10] <Kamion> I didn't think we did an NVIDIA driver for amd64 yet
[09:11] <sheinlein> liff: thanks, is it generally possible to also burn dvds? 
[09:11] <sheinlein> liff: I get the following error:
[09:11] <zombics> Kamion, i downlaoded it from the nvidia site
[09:11] <sheinlein> liff::-( write failed: Wrong medium type
[09:11] <sheinlein> :-( media is not formatted or unsupported.
[09:11] <sheinlein> :-[ WRITE@LBA=0h failed with SK=5h/ASC=30h/ACQ=05h] : Wrong medium type
[09:11] <sheinlein> /dev/hdb: "Current Write Speed" is 2.0x1385KBps.
[09:11] <sheinlein> :-[ RESERVE TRACK failed with SK=5h/ASC=24h/ACQ=00h] : Input/output error
[09:11] <sheinlein> /dev/hdb: reserving 362464 blocks, warning for short DAO recording
[09:11] <sheinlein> /dev/hdb: FEATURE 21h is not on, engaging DAO...
[09:11] <sheinlein> WARNING: /dev/hdb already carries isofs!
[09:11] <Kamion> zombics: probably better to contact them about it ...
[09:11] <zombics> ok.... thx :)
[09:12] <sheinlein> But I know that my burner can handle DVD-RWs
[09:12] <Anna> Is there a firewall application I can use on Ubuntu? It would ease my paranoia.
[09:12] <zombics> where can i find the manul for the nvidia driver?(i remember that it shold be somewhere on my pc
[09:13] <michel_v_> anna: you can try firestarter
[09:13] <Kamion> Anna: there are no ports open by default :-)
[09:13] <michel_v_> it's very newbie-friendly
[09:13] <michel_v_> hmm
[09:13] <Kamion> (barring DHCP, I think there was a plan to look into that pre-final but it's not a big deal)
[09:13] <michel_v_> Ubuntu recognised I had a wifi pcmcia card, it seems
[09:13] <michel_v_> but it says no wireless peripheral
[09:13] <Anna> thanks.
[09:13] <Kamion> michel_v_: what says that?
[09:14] <michel_v_> oh, the tooltip on the gnome applet
[09:14] <liff> sheinlein: i've burned one dvd and it worked fine :) did you remember to enable the "empty cd" checkbox when you tried that?
[09:14] <michel_v_> Kamion: if it helps, my wifi card uses a chipset by Ralink, the 2500 most probably (since it's a 54g card)
[09:14] <Nonphasis> any idea for getting xmodmap to work in gnome?
[09:15] <Nonphasis> I mean autoread .Xmodmap and make it stay
[09:15] <michel_v_> Kamion: maybe it's just a mistranslation and the tooltip meant to say "no available wireless network"
[09:16] <subterrific> anyone have the link for the industrial firefox theme?
[09:16] <Anna> Kamion, when there are no open ports, how come you can read this?
[09:16] <Kamion> Anna: no open listening ports
[09:16] <Anna> Ah.
[09:17] <sheinlein> liff: which check box?
[09:17] <_Hiro_> keyboard selection during install is frustrating
[09:17] <Kamion> Anna: iptables is included in the base system, but it's not exactly GUI-friendly
[09:18] <Kamion> _Hiro_: we'll be changing that soon, there's been enough feedback about it that it seems we have to bring back the keyboard configuration screen
[09:18] <Anna> But if someone knew my IP (like here by clicking on the screen name), couldn't they try to open ports?
[09:18] <_Hiro_> the fact that it determines locale is a bit of a killer, you get a frankenstein's son language hybrid then
[09:18] <_Hiro_> please :)
[09:18] <Anna> I P address I meant
[09:18] <chutwig> Anna: how would they open the ports?
[09:18] <michel_v_> anna: no, they couldn't
[09:18] <chutwig> there's a difference between inbound and outbound ports
[09:18] <punkass> zombics: fabbione is wokring on a nvidia-glx package for 64...
[09:18] <_Hiro_> Kamion that ash shell provided was also a bit weird, it reacts very strange to stuff like backspace
[09:19] <_Hiro_> I broke out other bootdisks to repair the install
[09:19] <sivang> is there somewhere on the wiki a how to for netboot install?
[09:19] <Anna> @chutwig: Well I assume someone technically astute can open ports. But that assumption has been rendered false already..
[09:19] <chutwig> eh
[09:20] <Kamion> _Hiro_: it's busybox, not ash
[09:20] <Anna> I mean, how do hackers (crackers) access other people's computers? Isn't it by opening their ports?
[09:20] <_Hiro_> Kamion this is a bit specific but I use openvpn to provide me internet over the wireless network, could packages like openvpn be provided on the install disk?
[09:20] <chutwig> no
[09:20] <Kamion> Anna: no, it's by exploiting things that are already listening
[09:20] <chutwig> they use exploits in services that run at a root level, typically
[09:21] <_Hiro_> it said it created an ash shell on that ram disk
[09:21] <Kamion> Anna: (generally; it's more complicated than that)
[09:21] <Kamion> _Hiro_: the text is just a bit out of date, that's all
[09:21] <Deft> Anna: it's by accessing ports that are open; ie. have a program listening on them
[09:21] <_Hiro_> I see :)
[09:21] <marquivon> i've booted from ubuntu's netboot install and reached a stage where it asks for the ubuntu mirror to be entered. i've setup my own debian repository and am using all files from the iso. though i'm able to apt-get update using my own repository in sources.list, but ubuntu not taking that properly
[09:21] <Kamion> _Hiro_: backspace has always worked for me ...
[09:21] <_Hiro_> it was too annoying to use anyway...
[09:21] <chutwig> using a buffer overflow you can push arbitrary things into memory, and that's how exploits most commonly work
[09:21] <Kamion> marquivon: at the moment the CD image is not a valid repository for use from netboot installs
[09:22] <_Hiro_> azerty keyboard that I use as querty during your install, maybe that's it ;)
[09:22] <phlaegel> Anna: an open port has a program listening to it (like a web server). if the web server software has a vulnerability, it can be attacked. 
[09:22] <Anna> I see. Very interesting
[09:22] <liff> sheinlein: good point -- it isn't there anymore (just checked)
[09:22] <Kamion> marquivon: there's a bug open about it; at the moment you need to rsync the rest of the archive down from archive.ubuntulinux.org
[09:22] <_Hiro_> a real showstopper was grub, it stopped dead at stage1.5
[09:22] <liff> sheinlein: i mean, there's such a checkbox in gnome2.6 on debian sid, but looks like it's missing here
[09:22] <marquivon> Kamion: actually it took a long time downloading the CD :-( 
[09:23] <_Hiro_> turned out the scsi disk was wrongly detected as disk1 when the ata disk was alive (even though BIOS is set to dictate otherwise)
[09:23] <marquivon> Kamion: if i rsync, then can i save that locally on one debian machine and then setup ubuntu on another machine using those files?
[09:24] <Kamion> marquivon: you may be able to get away with using the standard archive (not the one you put together from the ISO) before the first reboot, then using your own repository after the first reboot
[09:24] <_Hiro_> I don't know if it's feasible but a soundcard selection box would rock as well. The auto-detect actually found my BIOS disabled built-in soundcard and placed that as primary card over my SB Live :)
[09:24] <Kamion> _Hiro_: in general you need to file bugs about this kind of thing :)
[09:24] <_Hiro_> well, don't know if it's a bug even :P
[09:24] <Kamion> dubious, I guess
[09:25] <_Hiro_> it detected and installed and configured AND unmuted it perfectly
[09:25] <marquivon> marquivon: oh. that means, i should use a mirror first (i.e. the first stage of ubuntu setup) and when it reboots i should specify my own repository?
[09:25] <_Hiro_> so that's super
[09:25] <Kamion> it would depend if it's actually possible to tell that it's BIOS-disabled
[09:25] <Deft> Anna: It's pretty hard to learn a lot from irc, you get many people saying the same thing, but not going into much depth; linux doc project/google are probably more useful
[09:25] <Kamion> marquivon: yeah
[09:25] <_Hiro_> and the system does have multiple cards I suppose :P
[09:25] <_Hiro_> same for the pci vid card, also detected that one
[09:25] <_Hiro_> it had no monitor so that was weird when X activated that :P
[09:25] <marquivon> Kamion: i think i can do the first part without any hassles, but how will i specify my own repository in the second stage?
[09:25] <_Hiro_> live and learn
[09:26] <_Hiro_> but it's my fault for not taking it out
[09:26] <Anna> Yes, Deft, I've been browsing those sites as well. 
[09:26] <chutwig> Anna: really the best way to learn anything is just to mess around with it until it breaks
[09:26] <_Hiro_> still great that it detected it flawlessly
[09:27] <ish> Anyone know if there is a reason the sounder list hasn't made it to gmane yet?
[09:27] <tvon|x31> has it been setup?
[09:27] <mwh_> Hello, anyone know how to configure ssh to not use a key when doing a remote login?
[09:27] <Anna> I'm currently using my private box to mess around, but I certainly don't want anything to break;-:-)
[09:27] <Deft> chutwig: should add a disclaimer to that; surgery for example doesn't fit that method
[09:27] <mwh_> like Enter passphrase for key '/home/foo/.ssh/id_rsa':
[09:27] <chutwig> Deft: learn anything with computers :)
[09:27] <mwh_> when the key is not needed by the server
[09:28] <Kamion> marquivon: you might have to ctrl-c, edit /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update, aptitude -y install ~tubuntu-desktop
[09:28] <mwh_> before I installed a id_rsa to be used with other sites it worked ok
[09:28] <Kamion> marquivon: probably won't be pretty, though
[09:28] <_Hiro_> how do you connect to the remote site?
[09:28] <snadeaben> mwh_: You mean, you want to enter your regular password instead?
[09:28] <chutwig> i started learning linux pretty quickly when i destroyed red hat 5.2 about ten times in a week
[09:28] <_Hiro_> you normally have to specify the key with -i option
[09:28] <mwh_> snadeaben: yes
[09:29] <phin> hey, i know this is kinda nit picky,  but is there a way to change the way the [ ok ] 's look?
[09:29] <phin> i kinda like the fedora colors :P
[09:29] <_Hiro_> hehe
[09:29] <Kamion> ssh -o 'PubkeyAuthentication no'
[09:29] <phin> hey there hiro :)
[09:29] <_Hiro_> hey phin :)
[09:29] <chutwig> it's just a part of a startup script
[09:29] <snadeaben> mwh_: on the remote server, make sure there is no entry in the .ssh/id_rsa file matching your computer
[09:29] <mteira> Hi
[09:29] <Deft> chutwig: yeah, I got through a good few debian installs before I actually did anything much
[09:29] <phin> chutwig: ahh ok.
[09:29] <chutwig> learn the escape commands and the colors and go to town
[09:29] <marquivon> Kamion: sighs. i've been trying to install ubuntu on 3 machines thru a network and those machines don't have CD drive nor floppy. but they've redhat installed and i wish to replace that. i've reached a long way and now know a little bit setting up repositories, so will end it as well
[09:29] <chutwig> Deft: linux was miserably unfriendly back then
[09:30] <Anna> I'm probably a very unusual newbie in the sense that I switched before having gathered knowledge. But I'm very lazy and if I had kept MS I had continued my stagnation. 
[09:30] <Kamion> marquivon: it's one of my 60 or so bugs to fix :)
[09:30] <phin> ok one more thing,  will you guys be including the option of using the kdrive server in the next release for lowerend systems?
[09:30] <chutwig> i think it's better now, but when something breaks, it still breaks just as hard as it did before
[09:30] <mwh_> snadeaben: there is no such file on the remote server
[09:30] <marquivon> Kamion: really appreciated all the effort that has gone into it :-)
[09:31] <mteira> I was thinking about opening two bug reports, but I'm not sure if at this stage of development, they're fair.
[09:31] <_Hiro_> yeah this is the first distro that'll keep me on debian :)
[09:31] <chutwig> i like debian, but i kind of prefer rpm over dpkg
[09:31] <Anna> How long have you been using linux now @chutwig?
[09:31] <mteira> The first one is about file-roller. I selected some files, right click and create a new compressed archive.
[09:32] <chutwig> Anna: i guess i started in 1999 or 2000
[09:32] <Deft> you never relly need to see dpkg, unlike rpm
[09:32] <subterrific> phin: is kdrive stable?
[09:32] <chutwig> i'm a mac user now, so i get the positives of unix but i don't have to see it unless i want to
[09:32] <snadeaben> mwh_: hmm, what files are in the remote hosts ~/.ssh/
[09:32] <phin> sub: i belive it is
[09:32] <mteira> I was on desktop, and the temporary files appeared on the desktop. I think this is not very clean. Shouldn't be better to create them on another (temp) directory?
[09:32] <mwh_> snadeaben: .ssh/auto* are not available
[09:32] <chutwig> Deft: i like rpm for its signing and verification
[09:32] <phin> i usually compile it myself
[09:32] <mwh_> snadeaben: known_hosts(2)
[09:32] <mteira> Of course, once the final file was created, the temporal files dissapeared.
[09:32] <mteira> But, anyway, it's a little ugly
[09:32] <chutwig> and rpm's ability to verify the integrity of everything registered in its database has proven invaluable before
[09:32] <michel_v_> chutwig: unless you have to killall Mail.app sometimes when it wouldn't close :/
[09:33] <mteira> Should I open a bug?
[09:33] <chutwig> michel_v_: i seem to be the only person in the world who doesn't have problems with mail.app
[09:33] <chutwig> jinx
[09:33] <phin> i really think it would be a great option for the next release, since ts based on the xorg codebase
[09:33] <phin> for us with lowerend machines
[09:33] <Deft> chutwig: I think that's about the archives rather than dpkg itself; I think it is possible...
[09:33] <snadeaben> mwh_: hmm.... strange. If you haven't uploaded your public key to the server, it shouldn't ask for passphrase but password instead
[09:33] <Deft> not that that helps much
[09:34] <chutwig> Deft: the signing would need to go into the archives, yeah
[09:34] <mwh_> snadeaben: yes, that would be nice if it did but it does not :(
[09:34] <Kamion> mteira: yep
[09:34] <chutwig> being able to execute rpm -Va or whatever it is that verifies the entire package database and everything installed from it is a dpkg matter, though 
[09:34] <mteira> Kamion: OK.
[09:34] <mteira> The other one.
[09:34] <Kamion> chutwig: dpkg has md5sums files (see debsums)
[09:34] <mteira> I'm not sure if this is a nautilus issue.
[09:35] <snadeaben> mwh_: are you the admin of the remote host - have you set up the sshd server on it, I mean?
[09:35] <Kamion> chutwig: they aren't quite in every package, but they're in most of them
[09:35] <chutwig> plus dpkg pisses me off now because it sucks at recovering from botched installs
[09:35] <mteira> But when you copy a file from a remote host in the network, to your desktop, and nautilus is able to show a miniature (snapshot), it's recreated a lot of times. 
[09:35] <mteira> This is because the file is changing all the time.
[09:35] <_Hiro_> you can use synaptic to try and repair it
[09:35] <chutwig> "these packages got corrupted when the computer crashed but you can't remove them even with -P because the scripts also got corrupted and i refuse to allow you to resolve the issue in any way"
[09:35] <snadeaben> mwh_: What if you in fact enter the passphrase for your key, does it let you log in?
[09:35] <phin> anyway, either way, this is my first install of ubuntu and its kicking ass!
[09:35] <chutwig> i had to format to fix that fun time
[09:35] <mteira> So, it flashes between the clock icon and the still incomplete content.
[09:35] <_Hiro_> me too, few minor details but otherwise super
[09:36] <_Hiro_> much better than RH & co
[09:36] <mteira> Kamion: What about this one?
[09:36] <Kamion> the standard approach is to fiddle with the maintainer scripts that are causing errors; it's quite possible to recover without formatting
[09:36] <mwh_> snadeaben: no
[09:36] <Kamion> dpkg could certainly do with a --force-continue-on-maintscript-error or something though
[09:36] <chutwig> yeah
[09:36] <Kamion> mteira: I don't know, I'm afraid
[09:37] <chutwig> i thought the issue had been solved when it said it was going to pull the faulty packages from the repository again but then it bombed out and i gave up
[09:37] <mwh_> I have some trouble installing libgtkspell-dev-2.0.5-3, I have libgtkspell0-2.0.7-1 installed and when I try to install the dev package with synaptic I get a conflict
[09:37] <mteira> Kamion: Perhaps I have explained it really wrong.
[09:37] <Kamion> chutwig: usually you want to edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/<whatever>.postrm, that's the main one that tends to cause an issue
[09:37] <snadeaben> mwh_: on the client machine you're logging in from, is there a id_rsa.pub file in your $HOME/.ssh?
[09:37] <Kamion> mteira: I don't know an awful lot about the desktop, I'm afraid
[09:37] <chutwig> Kamion: i shall note it for future reference
[09:38] <mteira> Kamion: Thanks anyway.
[09:38] <mwh_> Dependencies: libgtkspell0 but 2.0.7-1 is to be installed
[09:38] <phin> is adding kdrive to the next release something i would probly be better off bringing up in the mailing list?
[09:38] <mwh_> snadeaben: no
[09:38] <Kamion> chutwig: mind you, if there were a --force-continue-on-maintscript-error or whatever then it would certainly be abused, people would hose their systems and then file bugs ...
[09:38] <mwh_> snadeaben: maybe thats the problem
[09:39] <chutwig> Kamion: i don't doubt it
[09:39] <chutwig> i think it would be avoidable with better error recovery on dpkg's part
[09:39] <Kamion> people have been known to use --force-all in the past, which is just really scary; that allows dpkg to do things like replacing directories with files
[09:39] <chutwig> it seems to have a tendency to crap itself when things go wrong
[09:39] <Kamion> chutwig: it's very good for everything except the postrm
[09:39] <plovs> phin, why would you like to have kdrive? I used it and it is not *that* special 
[09:40] <michel_v_> hmm
[09:40] <chutwig> i guess i'm just a slave to rpm :)
[09:40] <snadeaben> mwh_: I dont know why it requires you to enter a passphrase... Maybe you can setup sshd to not accept logins only using passwords, but to require a keypair login
[09:40] <michel_v_> where are the Vino prefs in Ubuntu?
[09:40] <michel_v_> I'm trying to get prefs on remote vnc
[09:40] <phin> plovs: when your on a k6-2 300 it is
[09:40] <snadeaben> mwh_:  you know how to generate a new keypair?
[09:40] <mwh_> snadeaben: when I put my id_rsa.pub file there then it works :o)
[09:40] <michel_v_> nevermind, found it
[09:40] <tvon|x31> ssh-keygen
[09:40] <Kamion> michel_v_: Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> Remote Desktop
[09:40] <mwh_> snadeaben: in the client .ssh dir that is
[09:40] <mwh_> snadeaben: thanks for your help :o)
[09:41] <mwh_> now back to my dependencies problem
[09:41] <schweeb> if it asks for a passphrase to use the key, that means you encoded it w/ a passphrase
[09:41] <Kamion> phin: we'll be doing X.org stuff in Hoary, yes, not absolutely sure whether it'll be kdrive or debrix or what
[09:41] <phin> ok, i figured it would be nice to atleast offer it as an option :)
[09:41] <snadeaben> mwh_: Yep, that's what I thought. np :)
[09:41] <phin> i think i will bring it up on the mailinglist so its not forgeten :P
[09:41] <chutwig> i want to get a less crappy computer to run linux on, but that doesn't really seem to be in the cards, since i'm really goddamn poo
[09:41] <chutwig> r
[09:42] <Anna> I'm happy you added the "r"
[09:43] <snadeaben> I could have sworn I saw unrar/rar available for install earlier, but now I can't seem to find it in synaptic? Is it correct that unrar is not available?
[09:43] <chutwig> i live to serve
[09:43] <mwh_> can anyone replicate the error im getting? ie can anyone here install libgtkspell-dev from synaptic
[09:43] <plovs> phin, how much memory do you have
[09:43] <Cardador> snadeaben: get it from debian
[09:43] <mwh_> im using only the supported archives
[09:43] <phin> plovs: 64
[09:43] <Anna> I was attempting humor. 
[09:44] <chutwig> i don't get jokes
[09:44] <Deft> what's white and can't climb trees?
[09:44] <tory> buttwig
[09:44] <Anna> Me neither, and I'm usually the only one laughing at mine.
[09:44] <snadeaben> Cardador: I just add debian repositories to my apt/sources.list or what? Forgive my ignorance, I'm totally new to apt, having been a faithful Mandrake follower for many years :)
[09:44] <chutwig> tory: jmp up my butt
[09:45] <tory> o rly
[09:45] <plovs> phin, that's not very much maybe you shouldn't use gnome then
[09:45] <chutwig> snadeaben: it's better to uncomment the universe lines in there already and rerun apt-get update
[09:45] <schweeb> there's "rar-2.80" in main....
[09:45] <phin> well, i dont
[09:45] <schweeb> unrar is a separate program from rar entirely (and not as featureful)
[09:46] <snadeaben> chutwig: Did that, but it still doesn't find it apparently... let me try again... maybe I'm just a total tool
[09:46] <phin> i use blackbox
[09:47] <phin> thou i am thinking of using gnome -nautilus, just to see
[09:48] <phin> and i found out how to change the colors on the startup stuff,  /lib/lsb/init-functions :)
[09:48] <plovs> phin, what I didn't like about kdrive is that (as far as I can tell) the refreshrate 60hz is, after an hour it will make your eyes fall out
[09:48] <phin> i use lcd
[09:48] <phin> :)
[09:49] <phin> i just think it would be a nice option from the start
[09:49] <plovs> phin, ah, then t might be ok, what graphiccard?
[09:49] <phin> since no other distro's offer it
[09:49] <phin> a neomagic 256
[09:49] <phin> its a small k6-300 laptop i use for lite browsing and coding
[09:49] <phin> i still have alot of use out of it, so i like to milk it for all its worth
[09:50] <plovs> phin, well it is a small package, you should maybe ask on ubuntu-devel
[09:50] <phin> plovs i plan to.  thanks :)
[09:50] <plovs> phin, I use a p133 laptop, so 300 is *wow*
[09:50] <phin> hehe
[09:50] <phin> you should look into kdrive
[09:50] <phin> its pretty nice
[09:51] <phin> a vast improvement in speed 
[09:51] <phin> its designed for the 486 market.
[09:51] <plovs> phin, I used it on my desktop, my laptop is not vesa-compliant :(
[09:51] <phin> :-(
[09:52] <snadeaben> Further on the unrar problem: After adding universe to sources.list (uncommenting the lines already there), and running apt-get update and apt-get install unrar, I get this: Package unrar is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:52] <snadeaben> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:52] <snadeaben> is only available from another source
[09:52] <snadeaben> E: Package unrar has no installation candidate
[09:52] <Ann1> Oops.
[09:52] <_Hiro_> welkom :)
[09:52] <Ann1> No it's me, Anna;-)
[09:52] <michel_v_> hmm
[09:52] <_Hiro_> yes I know
[09:52] <Ann1> I don't know what happened
[09:52] <chutwig> willkommen
[09:53] <michel_v_> my wifi card uses a driver that is not packaged for ubuntu (driver is free but not redistributable it seems)
[09:53] <Ann1> How did you know I'm German?
[09:53] <_Hiro_> you can do /nick Anna and your name will change again
[09:53] <chutwig> i didn't
[09:53] <_Hiro_> you're dutch
[09:53] <michel_v_> is it possible with ubuntu to compile a module for it and then use the driver?
[09:53] <_Hiro_> adsl.zonnet.nl
[09:53] <Ann1> No, I live in Holland, but I'm German
[09:53] <_Hiro_> right? :P
[09:53] <Ann1> yes
[09:53] <phin> nice
[09:53] <phin> i changed the color of the * and the [ ok ]  and the [ fail ] 
[09:53] <phin> :)
[09:54] <phin> <- nerd
[09:54] <_Hiro_> those fails are a bit bizar :/
[09:54] <chutwig> obwohl wenn du deutsch bist knnen wir dieses kanal sehr international machen
[09:54] <_Hiro_> I get a lot of fails for something called pcieh which I assume is for pci express?
[09:54] <chutwig> oder was, mein deutsch ist kaputt
[09:54] <phin> adding root is easy as well
[09:54] <plovs> phin, what did you change, you wrote it down but it scrolled of my screen
[09:54] <phin> i just sudo passwd root
[09:55] <phin> /lib/lsb/init-functions
[09:55] <Ann1> -diesen- Kanal, but otherwise your German is far from kaputt
[09:55] <_Hiro_> I use that root terminal it's nice
[09:55] <chutwig> diesen, whatever
[09:55] <phin> Hiro: old dog, new tricks.. blah blah
[09:55] <phin> :)
[09:55] <sladen> phin: though I don't recommend it as you loose all the advantages of sudo
[09:55] <chutwig> we had the bright idea of getting rid of all that grammatical gender crap centuries ago
[09:55] <Ann1> Who is we?
[09:55] <_Hiro_> even the terminal isn't a problem you know
[09:55] <_Hiro_> just get screen
[09:55] <phin> sladen: maybe i will slowly adapt, as it is right now its more of a frustration :(
[09:55] <chutwig> we being all english speakers
[09:56] <_Hiro_> sudo screen bash    :P
[09:56] <Ann1> Ah.
[09:56] <schweeb> or sudo su, _Hiro_ 
[09:56] <schweeb> or sudo -s
[09:56] <_Hiro_> ah I didn't know that :o
[09:56] <Deft> english got rid of all the grammar sadly
[09:56] <Deft> now we just string any old words together and hope
[09:56] <chutwig> english has lots of grammar, as any foreigner will attest
[09:56] <plovs> phin, thanks
[09:57] <phin> plovs: np
[09:57] <Deft> yes, we have a grammar rule for almost every word
[09:57] <phin> http://www.shelluser.net/~giles/bashprompt/prompts/flex.html
[09:57] <phin> that site gave me all the color codes i needed
[09:57] <crimsun> english is insane
[09:57] <_Hiro_> hell no, we as foreigners just make words up like color instead of colour ;)
[09:58] <Ann1> Actually I'm a European nationalist who likes to see a Europe of provinces with nation-states dissolved. 
[09:58] <WW> http://www.ucl.ac.uk/internet-grammar/
[09:58] <mteira> :)
[09:58] <_Hiro_> and since we're foreign you must pity us
[09:58] <mteira> No rules in english, any rule has 1000 exceptions.
[09:58] <chutwig> english is a pretty miserable language to learn
[09:58] <plovs> phin, nice
[09:58] <mteira> That's not a rule.
[09:58] <felixdz> For the Dutch speakers out there. I have put knoppix to the harddisk on my neighbors computer. She has no Internet connection yet.
[09:59] <mteira> There's no a phonetic vs alphabetic logical binding.
[09:59] <chutwig> there is, but it's sort of twisted
[09:59] <_Hiro_> haha nukular vs nuclear you mean? ;)
[09:59] <felixdz> she is Dutch. My question is if I install ubuntu choosing Dutch as the language will it install open office in Dutch?
[09:59] <crimsun> "nukuler"
[09:59] <crimsun> we love geedub
[09:59] <mteira> More or less.
[09:59] <_Hiro_> you may need to install the openoffice dutch language pack
[10:00] <_Hiro_> but gnome will be in dutch
[10:00] <mteira> In spanish one letter always sounds the same.
[10:00] <mteira> Well, most of times. :)
[10:00] <chutwig> that's because spanish isn't creative like english
[10:00] <Deft> Esperanto for everyone!
[10:00] <michel_v_> hmm
[10:00] <mteira> chutwig: Sure. :)
[10:00] <gommans> Silly question. Are there plans for a forum?
[10:00] <chutwig> i do linguistics at school anyway
[10:00] <phin> plov: brb ima reboot and test, i will let you know the results! :)
[10:00] <michel_v_> is there a simple way to install and run sshd on ubuntu?
[10:00] <chutwig> english has a whole lot of vowels
[10:00] <mteira> Deft: :)
[10:00] <chutwig> michel_v_: apt-get install ssh
[10:01] <crimsun> spanish isn't creative?!
[10:01] <felixdz> Sounds like I should wait until she has her Internet connection to change her Office. She is in her 70's.
[10:01] <michel_v_> besides apt-get install ssh and then CONFIG FILE HELL? :)
[10:01] <snadeaben> hmm... can anyone install unrar from apt? Apparently it isn't in there anymore...
[10:01] <mteira> chutwig: Only 5 vowels in spanish?
[10:01] <Ann1> No, we don't need esperanto, we just learn deaf peoples sign language
[10:01] <mteira> crimsun: I disagree.
[10:01] <chutwig> what config file hell?
[10:01] <crimsun> snadeaben: use rar e ...
[10:01] <chutwig> mteira: probably more, definitely more if you count diphthongs
[10:01] <chutwig> but not as many as english
[10:01] <felixdz> Just got her used to KDE. Still she had no bad windoze habits to get rid of!
[10:01] <crimsun> snadeaben: or use the free unrar that's in pool now (but it won't expand v3.x archives)
[10:01] <Ann1> That would make interesting fonts (animated gifs of people) <chuckle>
[10:01] <mteira> chutwig: For me, a diphthong are two vowels bind.
[10:01] <mteira> s/bind/bound
[10:02] <schweeb> michel_v_: what are you talking about? config file hell for ssh?
[10:02] <schweeb> ...
[10:02] <chutwig> mteira: yes, or a vowel with a glide
[10:02] <mteira> A glide. What's that?
[10:02] <chutwig> [w]  or [j]  in transcription
[10:02] <mteira> chutwig: Sorry, but my english is really short.
[10:02] <Deft> like an accent, but not
[10:03] <chutwig> they're half-vowels
[10:03] <masticator> ok
[10:03] <masticator> so I got my ubuntu up
[10:03] <masticator> why doesnt it let me log on as root
[10:03] <masticator> I can get into synaptic as root
[10:03] <chutwig> root's disabled, use sudo
[10:03] <masticator> but I cant SU or log in from the GDM as root
[10:04] <masticator> sudo? ok
[10:04] <michel_v_> schweeb, chutwig: hmm, forgot the default config file is OK :p
[10:04] <schweeb> yea...
[10:04] <Ann1> I'll be signing off now. Good night.
[10:04] <masticator> sudo, not su?
[10:04] <chutwig> sudo is for performing individual commands as root
[10:04] <plovs> how can I change the language gnome uses?
[10:04] <felixdz> If you want a root password: sudo passwd root
[10:04] <chutwig> you can get a root shell with sudo -s
[10:04] <schweeb> it asks you like 2 questions... like "do you want to run the sshd server"
[10:04] <schweeb> and then just works
[10:05] <chutwig> i personally think it's a better idea to leave the root account disabled
[10:06] <masticator> ok, now for the nvidia accelerated drivers
[10:06] <Kamion> michel_v_: /whois masticator 
[10:06] <Kamion> oops!
[10:06] <masticator> to install that you need kernel source
[10:06] <mteira> Humm, you can always write 'sudo bash' 
[10:06] <Kamion> michel_v_: ignore that :-)
[10:06] <masticator> because it has to recompile the driver against the kernel
[10:06] <mteira> So, you will have a root terminal, won't you?
[10:06] <felixdz> Great got k3b working in ubuntu. Had to run from Run Application menu in gnome. Is there a way to get my k programs automagically into gnome?
[10:07] <Kamion> masticator: that's a bit smoother on i386, I believe; work still remains to bring amd64 up to par
[10:07] <snadeaben> crimsun: I'm sorry but I cant find either... 
[10:07] <masticator> what is the exact kernel being used on ubuntu
[10:08] <masticator> cause I can just shove the kernel.org stuff into /usr/src
[10:08] <masticator> any ubuntu staffers on the channel now?
[10:08] <Deft> masticator: there is a kernel source package in the ubuntu archive
[10:08] <masticator> deft: thanky
[10:09] <masticator> so just apt-get install kernel-source ?
[10:09] <felixdz> Got to go. TTFN
[10:09] <masticator> I write for linux magazine, am working on an article on the various debian variants out now
[10:09] <WW> masticator: I may have missed an earlier message.  Does Kamion's comment mean you are using amd64?
[10:09] <masticator> yeah I am using the AMD version
[10:10] <Deft> masquerade: use synaptic, search for the linux-source-<version> package
[10:10] <masticator> I had to rip out a gig of ram to make the system boot
[10:10] <masticator> lol
[10:10] <plovs> masticator, if all you want is nvidia install nvidia-glx
[10:10] <Kamion> masticator: it's linux-source-2.6.8.1
[10:10] <masquerade> Deft, wrong person?
[10:10] <Kamion> plovs: currently that package is only available on i386, not amd64
[10:10] <masticator> plovs: but the changes to the xconfig file need to be made manually right
[10:11] <Kamion> masticator: staffers> yes, hello
[10:11] <masticator> yeah I better download teh kernel.org source then
[10:11] <plovs> masticator, yes 
[10:11] <masticator> 2.6.8.1 is screwy though
[10:11] <masticator> it breaks cdrecord
[10:11] <masticator> dvd burning doesnt work 
[10:11] <Mithrandir> masticator: sudo su - ; then it works
[10:11] <Kamion> masticator: I was under the impression we'd patched most of those problems
[10:11] <plovs> Kamion, I mentally ignored masticator is so lucky he has an amd64 :)
[10:12] <Deft> masquerade: yes, not enough tab presses, sorry
[10:12] <terence> how can i get mplayer or xine in ubuntu?
[10:12] <masticator> will I break stuff if I add any debian sources to this thing?
[10:12] <plovs> xine is in universe, mplayer isn't
[10:12] <Deft> terence: totem-xine is in the universe repository
[10:12] <masticator> is KDE in universe?
[10:13] <Kamion> masticator: we advise using the 'universe' component instead, which is basically Debian compiled against warty
[10:13] <Kamion> masticator: yes
[10:13] <masticator> ok, I will do that
[10:13] <plovs> masticator, depends on the repositary, mplayer and java doesn't break anything
[10:13] <terence> Deft: whats the source to the universe rep ?
[10:13] <Kamion> masticator: I believe that SG_IO-safe-commands-2.dpatch fixes the CD burning problems
[10:13] <Kamion> terence: look in /etc/apt/sources.list, it's there but commented out
[10:13] <masticator> in ubuntu there is no concept of stable/testing/unstable right
[10:14] <Kamion> masticator: not in the same way
[10:14] <terence> Kamion: thanks
[10:14] <Tomcat_> There's "usable" and CVS I think. :o
[10:14] <Kamion> masticator: when warty is released, we'll open up a development repository called hoary, which will be branched off Debian sid
[10:14] <masticator> I like what you guys did with the debian installer
[10:14] <Kamion> thanks
[10:14] <Deft> terence: synaptic has a repository selection dialog
[10:15] <Tomcat_> What did they do with the Debian installer? :D
[10:15] <masticator> are you guys gonna use Progeny's anaconda stuff?
[10:15] <Kamion> masticator: probably not, at least not by default; it's not really all that flexible
[10:15] <plovs> Tomcat_, they took out half of the questions and it still installs fine
[10:15] <masticator> thats too bad, its pretty
[10:15] <Tomcat_> Well okay. :)
[10:15] <Kamion> masticator: we'll be doing work on a graphical version of debian-installer instead
[10:16] <Tomcat_> One of these is "use UTC for hardware clock", which I still find askable :)
[10:16] <masticator> graphical debian-installer?
[10:16] <michel_v_> hmm, how should I go about compiling the Ralink module for my kernel and insmod it, on ubuntu?
[10:16] <Kamion> (in cooperation with debian-installer upstream, obviously)
[10:16] <jo> Kamion: nice!
[10:16] <Tomcat_> But it's good, yeah.
[10:16] <Kamion> Tomcat_: I have a bug open about that, we'll be asking that if there are other operating systems on the disk
[10:16] <michel_v_> (also, when I got that done, will ubuntu automatically load the module?)
[10:16] <masticator> aright I gotta go do some hacking and slashing, be back in a bit
[10:16] <michel_v_> (ralink rt2500.ko is the module for my wifi pcmcia card)
[10:16] <masticator> driver compilation time
[10:17] <Kamion> masticator: p.s. linux-headers-* should be sufficient for driver compilation, you shouldn't need the whole source ...
[10:17] <Kamion> masticator: current daily CD builds include the linux-headers packages
[10:17] <masticator> ok will try downloading tht
[10:17] <Tomcat_> Kamion: Yeah, I think I filed the bug ;)
[10:17] <masticator> that nvidia installer is a picky nicky though
[10:19] <plovs> what is the url of bugzilla?
[10:19] <_Hiro_> bugzilla.ubuntu.com  :)
[10:19] <schweeb> https://bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org
[10:19] <Kamion> plovs: see the topic of this channel
[10:19] <_Hiro_> ?
[10:19] <plovs> Kamion, doh, it is late 
[10:19] <_Hiro_> oof I thought I submitted to the wrong buzilla :s
[10:20] <terence> i need something in ubuntu that can play .wmv
[10:20] <Tomcat_> omfg.
[10:20] <Tomcat_> terence: Windows? :D
[10:21] <jo> I think I found a bug in Evolution, but I'm not sure. Check this out: http://lumumba.luc.ac.be/jo/temp/pics/evolution_check_every_x_minutes.png
[10:21] <michel_v_> terence: totem, but with the xine backend most probably
[10:21] <jo> it's in Dutch
[10:21] <terence> i got every xine and totem package installed
[10:21] <_Hiro_> jo and what's your locale?
[10:21] <snadeaben> Jo: Yes, if it's in dutch, it most certainly is a bug ;)
[10:22] <jo> it's Dutch
[10:22] <jo> that's not the problem :)
[10:22] <jo> as you can see the sentence "Automatisch controleren op nieuwe post, iedere ..." is repeated at the bottom... It means "check for new mail every ... minutes"
[10:22] <jo> I'm from Flanders, Belgium so I speak Dutch :-)
[10:23] <jo> this happens when you create a new account using the druid.. Does this occur with other languages as well?
[10:23] <snadeaben> jo: ye, that does look strange... the dutch I mean... :) No seriously, that doesn't look right - I set up an account last night, and there wasn't that repetition in my version, I'm sure
[10:24] <jo> snadeaben: and what's your locale?
[10:24] <snadeaben> locale is danish i think, I used the english version though
[10:25] <jo> Should I file this to ubuntu's bugzilla, or should I address the Dutch translation team?
[10:25] <snadeaben> jo: Good question... I'd go with the translation team first, me thinks
[10:25] <terence> anyone got mplayer on ubuntu ?
[10:26] <kolya> 'lo all
[10:26] <jo> terence: maybe you could try ftp.nerim.net's packages, they might break stuff though -> http://www.princessleia.com/MPlayer2.html
[10:27] <terence> thanks
[10:27] <jo> snadeaben: thanks, I'll send them a mail..
[10:27] <jo> np
[10:29] <phin> plov: make sure you make a backup of that file, or you'll be sitting like how i wa for a moment :P
[10:30] <plovs> phin, linux is made for that :)
[10:30] <phin> :-D
[10:31] <plovs> terence, I have mplayer and it works ok
[10:31] <phin> the best i could do is change the ok to green
[10:31] <phin> oh well
[10:31] <phin> i'll havta study fedoras or something and get a better idea on howto do it
[10:32] <plovs> phin, that is already quite nice, it is easier to see, I liked that about fedora
[10:32] <phin> yep, if i had a running copy i would mess with it now.
[10:33] <plovs> phin, use qemu to install it
[10:35] <phin> hmm
[10:43] <jo> snadeaben: I mailed it to the translation team..
[10:46] <snadeaben> jo: alright, hopefully it will be fixed soon
[10:50] <mteira> One question, please.
[10:50] <mteira> I've connected my mp3 player
[10:51] <mteira> It was mounted automatically as sda1.
[10:51] <mteira> When I erase some songs, no more free space was available.
[10:51] <mteira> I fired a gnome-terminal and went into the /media/sda1
[10:51] <mteira> And found a .Trash-mteira folder with all the files I erased.
[10:52] <mteira> Well, is there any gui-way to real erase files on a remobable media?
[10:52] <Deft> mteira: if you use the delete command, they aren't put in the trash
[10:52] <mteira> Deft: I used the delete key.
[10:53] <Deft> if you go to nautilus prefs, there's an option to show a full delete in the menu
[10:53] <mteira> Deft: Anyway, is there any way to erase that files in the hidden folder?
[10:53] <Deft> or else you just need to empty the trash
[10:53] <mteira> Deft: But, there'not in the conventional trash.
[10:53] <Deft> you can show hidden folders, but that's a pretty long away around
[10:54] <mteira> Deft: And my trash applet didn't show files inside.
[10:54] <Deft> hmm, anyway, you can delete fully and skip the trash altogether in future, just enable the option
[10:54] <mteira> Deft: I mean that there should be a graphical-intuitive way to erase that files in the trash of the remobable media.
[10:54] <mteira> removable.
[10:55] <Deft> well, there is if you fully delete, and don't use move to trash... hang on, just going to try
[10:56] <mteira> Deft: I agree with that.
[10:56] <jo> Deft, mteira: something similar -> I moved a text file to my USB stick, and saw it appear two times. The file was named TODO, and there was a "TODO" and "todo" created. Maybe this has something to do with fat or vfat?
[10:56] <mteira> Deft: But, in case I use the trash...
[10:56] <mteira> Deft: I get disoriented. My mp3 player was full, but no file was shown in the file window.
[10:57] <Deft> first try, the deleted files show up in wastebasket normally, you might have found a bug maybe...
[10:58] <mteira> Deft: OK. I'll try again.
[10:58] <mteira> Deft: Perhaps the icon didn't got updated.
[10:58] <mteira> I'm now copying a new directory of songs. When finished I will try to delete a file using the del key.
[10:59] <Slackeerb> Hello I just installed ubuntu, and so fars its the BESt distro ive tryed. Everything seems up to date except firefox. The version of firefox on here is 9.3. Could anyone help me upgrade it? =)
[10:59] <michel_v_> is 'linux-source' the package with the source of the currently running kernel in ubuntu?
[10:59] <crimsun> yes.
[10:59] <mteira> Is firefox 1.0 planned in Ubuntu?
[10:59] <michel_v_> Slackeerb: you aren't missing much, 1.0PR isn't SO MUCH of an improvement :)
[11:00] <jo> Slackeerb: I heard they'll update it before the final release of warty
[11:00] <mteira> I mean in a short time .
[11:00] <mteira> What's the name warty supposed to mean?
[11:00] <phin> warts
[11:00] <Slackeerb> michel_V_,jo: thx. I like 1.0 thow. =). I use to use it on mandrake.
[11:00] <Deft> mteira: it seems to always show in wastebasket for me; you might like to talk to jdub about it though, it could be improved
[11:00] <phin> or you could read the faq like everyone else :P
[11:01] <mwh_> umh I have installed some programs from src into /usr/local .. and I was wondering how I can use the translations for them?
[11:01] <nksen> hm. my installation always hangs up while copying. the first time it hang up with 'xscreensaver', now with 'spdf-common'. the disc is cleanly readable by another OS on the same drive. any suggestions?
[11:01] <Slackeerb> and is there a guide to installing java? I looked around on the wiki site but i got a bit confused. heh
[11:01] <jo> Slackeerb: Debian Sid doesn't have firefox 1.0 PR either, so I haven't tried it yet..
[11:01] <jo> Slackeerb: the Debian java faq maybe?
[11:01] <Deft> in fact...
[11:02] <nksen> err, ubuntu is based on debian?
[11:02] <Deft> jdub: Thoughts on deleting from removable media/drives?
[11:02] <Slackeerb> jo: its pretty cool. It can auto install macromedia flash.
[11:02] <mteira> Deft: OK. 
[11:02] <mteira> Deft: Now, I've erase a file into the removable media using the del key.
[11:02] <mteira> Deft: The wastebasket icon didn't change.
[11:02] <jo> Slackeerb: I heard about the plugin improvements indeed. Will have a hard time installing quicktime though :-p
[11:02] <Deft> open it anyway
[11:03] <mteira> Deft: Moving the mouse over the icon, it shows "No items in trash"
[11:03] <mteira> Deft: But opening it, it shows the erased file.
[11:03] <mteira> Deft: So, it seems a bug. A little bug.
[11:03] <Slackeerb> jo: we can just install mplayer. And mplayer plugin. =)
[11:03] <Deft> mteira: yeah, you want to report that?
[11:04] <mteira> Deft: Right clicking on the applet, the Empty trash option is not selectable.
[11:04] <mteira> Deft: Of course.
[11:04] <jo> Slackeerb: I know :-) I was just kidding...
[11:04] <mteira> Deft: I want to help
[11:04] <mteira> Deft: Really like ubuntu.
[11:04] <Deft> cool, would be good if you could see if it affects the nautilus trash icon as well
[11:04] <mteira> Deft: I'm going to fill a bug report.
[11:04] <michel_v_> hmm
[11:04] <Slackeerb> jo: lol k. How would i go about installing mplayer on ubuntu anyways? Its easy on mandrake.
[11:05] <jo> try the debian-marillat repository
[11:05] <michel_v_> can I take a ndiswrapper-source*.deb (from Debian unstable, I guess), and just use it on ubuntu?
[11:05] <jo> http://www.princessleia.com/MPlayer2.html
[11:05] <michel_v_> (it's used to build some kernel modules)
[11:05] <Slackeerb> jo: thx
[11:06] <Deft> mteira: or just tell me the bug number when your done, I can test it out
[11:06] <jo> Slackeerb, np
[11:06] <mteira> Deft: OK.
[11:06] <mteira> Deft: Give me a pair of minutes.
[11:08] <Slackeerb> jo: i dont see the mplayer plugin on here. But mplayer is downloading. =)
[11:09] <empop> does anybody know if you can erase cd-rw's in nautilus?
[11:10] <jo> Slackeerb, try mozilla-mplayer
[11:10] <Slackeerb> jo: thx. The mplayer in apt doesnt support quicktime?
[11:11] <jo> try w32codecs
[11:11] <mteira> Deft: The bug number is 1575
[11:11] <mteira> Deft: Thanks.
[11:11] <Slackeerb> jo: thx again lol
[11:11] <mteira> empop: You can.
[11:12] <jo> Slackeerb, np again :-)
[11:12] <mteira> empop: The problem is that the cd gets mounted once inserted.
[11:12] <mteira> I filed a bug about that.
[11:12] <empop> mteira: yah, i saw that
[11:13] <empop> mteira: though i couldn't see how to unmount without ejecting
[11:13] <tritium> mteira, can't you change your gnome-volume-manager settings to prevent that?
[11:13] <mteira> [Bug 1234]  Automatic mounting interferes with {CD-,DVD{+,-}}RW writing
[11:13] <mteira> empop: Same here.
[11:13] <Deft> tritium: but generally you want it mounted automatically...
[11:14] <Chriffer> But a umount and erase feature wouldnt suck
[11:14] <empop> agreed
[11:14] <mteira> tritium: The idea is that it could be erase anyway.
[11:14] <mteira> tritium: The idea is that it could be erased anyway.
[11:14] <mteira> tritium: Being automatically umounted before, of course.
[11:14] <tritium> I see what you mean.
[11:15] <mteira> BTW, I was able to erase it with a little workaround.
[11:15] <Deft> does it eject when you unmount it manually?
[11:15] <mteira> Deft: Manually? I suppose it doesn't
[11:15] <mteira> Deft: But you have to make it manually.
[11:15] <empop> mteira: please do tell
[11:16] <mteira> empop: What I wanted was to write new content on a yet written CDRW
[11:16] <mteira> empop: I prepared the compilation with no cd in the unit
[11:16] <mteira> empop: So, nautilus-cd-burner asks you for a CD.
[11:16] <phin> openbox rocks with gnome :)
[11:16] <phin> so snappy
[11:16] <mteira> empop: I put the CDRW into
[11:16] <mteira> empop: And it got written.
[11:17] <mteira> empop: But then, there were some problems because it also got mounted.
[11:17] <mteira> empop: And I had to umount it manually.
[11:17] <empop> mteira: yeah it got mounted for me too
[11:17] <jo> snadeaben, the translation team made an error, they'll fix it for Evolution 2.0.1 :-)
[11:17] <michel_v_> ugh
[11:17] <empop> mteira: i can do it manually, but its a pain
[11:18] <vincent> I just finish to install ubuntu it works really well
[11:18] <vincent> thanks to all developers !
[11:18] <vincent> but...
[11:18] <michel_v_> I apt-get linux-source, then when I try to tar -xjvf the resulting .tar.bz2 in /usr/src, it tells me no such file or directory, for every item in the archive
[11:18] <vincent> tou really need to add eagle-usb to main
[11:18] <michel_v_> ah, sudo
[11:18] <vincent> it's a pain to install it by hands
[11:18] <michel_v_> forgot
[11:19] <mwh_> umh synaptics tells me that there is no access to my cdrom repository, which is wird since I have the cdrom mounted
[11:20] <Slackeerb> hey jo when i start mplayer i get this error "New_Face failed. Maybe the font path is wrong. Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf).
[11:20] <Zappa_> anyone care to help me get my wireless pcmcia card working? it's showing up in iwconfig but not ifconfig
[11:20] <WW> I just tried printing the test page for my printer, and the output appears to be shifted down about 3/4 in.
[11:21] <mteira> Oh, no, a bug storm
[11:21] <WW> Any ideas how to adjust this?
[11:21] <Zappa_> i hope you brought your bugbrella
[11:21] <Deft> WW: paper size?
[11:21] <WW> US Letter
[11:21] <mteira> Zappa_: :)
[11:22] <Zappa_> i'm impressed so far
[11:22] <Zappa_> almost everything was configured correctly during install
[11:22] <Zappa_> on my laptop as well
[11:22] <michel_v_> hmm
[11:22] <Deft> Zappa_: is that using ifconfig -a?
[11:22] <michel_v_> I need the currently running kernel's .config
[11:22] <michel_v_> how can I find it in ubuntu?
[11:23] <michel_v_> (I got 'linux-source' but the archive didn't bring a .config)
[11:23] <Deft> WW: what do you get from running paperconf (if it's installed)
[11:23] <ish> /boot/config....
[11:23] <Zappa_> Deft: ifconfig -a and it shows up
[11:23] <subterrific> michel_v_: /boot/config
[11:23] <michel_v_> ah, yeah
[11:23] <michel_v_> I got used to checking in /proc, that's why I forgot /boot :)
[11:23] <Zappa_> Deft: i edited my /etc/network/interfaces and added lines for eth1
[11:23] <michel_v_> thanks
[11:23] <mteira> Oh, a lot of packages got updated.
[11:23] <Deft> Zappa_: it's not configured then; ifconfig <whatever> up will bring it up if it can
[11:23] <Zappa_> Deft: now on boot it just tries to get a DHCP address for a while and fails
[11:23] <mteira> nautilus-cd-burner, libnautilus-2.2, ...
[11:23] <Zappa_> yeah i know but it won't bring it up
[11:23] <subterrific> Zappa_: why didn't you use the gui to setup networking?
[11:24] <WW> Deft: paperconf is not installed.
[11:24] <subterrific> it does everything for you
[11:24] <mteira> Is there any chance to know what changes are included in this versions?
[11:24] <Zappa_> the gui crashes on it
[11:24] <Zappa_> wel, locks up
[11:24] <Zappa_> notebook:/home/andrew# ifconfig eth1 up
[11:24] <Zappa_> SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory
[11:24] <jo> Slackeerb, try mplayer-fonts
[11:24] <WW> Deft: ... and I don't see paperconf in Synaptic.  Is it part of another package?
[11:24] <Slackeerb> jo: you rule. lol
[11:25] <Deft> WW: probably, my ubuntu box is turned off I'm afraid
[11:25] <jo> Slackeerb, hope it works
[11:25] <Slackeerb> jo: it did. But mozilla-mplayer didnt.
[11:26] <Zappa_> i know something is up because the lights on the card itself aren't lit up
[11:26] <Deft> Zappa_: does iwconfig show everything it should, essid etc?
[11:26] <WW> Deft: looks like libpaper-utils has it
[11:27] <Zappa_> yes it shows all the settings i put in /etc/network/interfaces
[11:27] <jo> Slackeerb, hmm, might have something to do with ubuntu then. You could try making a soft symlink from the mozilla plugins dir to the firefox plugins dir.. Otherwise: no idea :-) These packages will probably get added to universe in the future
[11:27] <Zappa_> eth1      NOT READY!  ESSID:"
[11:28] <Deft> Zappa_: does iwscan list the AP?
[11:28] <Zappa_> etc.
[11:28] <Deft> iwlist scan even
[11:28] <Zappa_> says no scan results
[11:28] <Slackeerb> jo: ok thx. Universe is a collection of ubuntu packages right?
[11:29] <Kamion> Slackeerb: it's a collection of most of Debian main compiled against Ubuntu
[11:29] <Slackeerb> kamion: is this alreadu added to my aptget source?
[11:29] <Slackeerb> already*
[11:29] <jo> Slackeerb, nope...
[11:30] <jo> Just add "universe" after main and restricted in your sources
[11:30] <Deft> Zappa_: you might want to check the driver then; run modprobe -r <driver>, then modrobe <driver> and see if dmesg shows anything
[11:30] <jo> it's easy to do with Syntaptic
[11:30] <Kamion> Slackeerb: it's in /etc/apt/sources.list, but commented out.
[11:30] <Kamion> Slackeerb: note that universe is totally unsupported
[11:30] <Slackeerb> Kamion: whats so special about universe? (sorry for the newbness)
[11:30] <Kamion> (so if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces :-))
[11:31] <Zappa_> ohh
[11:31] <Kamion> Slackeerb: universe is basically the set of everything we didn't decide to take for our smaller set of supported packages
[11:31] <Zappa_> prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890'
[11:31] <Zappa_> eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890')
[11:31] <Zappa_> i think we have an answer
[11:31] <WW> Deft: OK, paperconf is now installed.
[11:31] <Deft> Zappa_: ok, you can download the firmware from prism54.org
[11:31] <Slackeerb> Kamion: so in other words should i leave it be? lol
[11:31] <Zappa_> yeah
[11:32] <jo> Slackeerb, do it on your own risk I would say :-)
[11:32] <Zappa_> deft: thank you for your help
[11:32] <mteira> See you. Thanks for all, folks.
[11:32] <WW> Deft: ... and running paperconf print a4.  Also, /etc/papersize contains a4.
[11:33] <Slackeerb> jo: you guys r confuseing me. I dont understand lol. If i do add universe to my apt source will I have the lastest packages or what?
[11:34] <jo> Slackeerb, you'll have the packages Ubuntu doesn't officially support
[11:34] <Kamion> Slackeerb: it's nothing to do with latest, more "different"
[11:34] <Deft> WW: not sure that adds up to 3/4 of an inch in any way, but it's worth changing; there's probably a nice GUI way to do
[11:34] <jo> That includes some of the packages from Sid yes
[11:34] <Zappa_> Deft: do you know where I'm supposed to put the firmware file?
[11:35] <Slackeerb> jo.Kamion: im going to just leave it be. My system is runnign great. =)
[11:35] <jo> Ok, i'll probably let Kamion explain, I just installed Ubuntu the day before yesterday :-D
[11:35] <Deft> /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware I think, there should be instructions
[11:36] <Slackeerb> Kamion: is there a ubuntu guide to installing java?
[11:36] <Kamion> Slackeerb: re universe, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[11:37] <Kamion> Slackeerb: not that I know of yet
[11:38] <Zappa_> haha
[11:38] <Zappa_> it connected to my neighbours wireless network
[11:38] <Zappa_> stupid thing :x
[11:39] <WW> Deft: Changing /etc/papersize to letter didn't fix it.
[11:40] <jeedee> anyone flawlessly installed ubuntu on a laptop?
[11:40] <Zappa_> i only had two minor issues
[11:40] <Deft> WW: the little printer applet thing should be able to change paper size, just right click on the printer icon
[11:41] <Chriffer> Yes my laptop works just fine
[11:42] <jo> Anyone tried on an Acer laptop?
[11:42] <jeedee> On a emachines laptop it has been trouble after trouble
[11:43] <WW> Deft: little printer applet thing?  I'm looking at Computer->System Configuration->Printing, and then editing the properties of the printer.
[11:43] <Deft> yeh
[11:43] <WW> Deft: I've selected US Letter in the tabs Paper and Advanced.
[11:43] <Mitario> hey everyone
[11:43] <jeedee> Im not really lucky, grub not working without config fixes on the laptop, then random freezes, grub hangs at loading stage on desktop and kernel not found on another desktop
[11:44] <jo> jeedee: aww.. Have you had issues with "plain" Debian too?
[11:44] <jeedee> Nope
[11:44] <Zappa_> reboot
[11:44] <jeedee> I guess it's all about grub, I might install grub from another distro then load ubuntu without installing a bootloader
[11:50] <plovs> jeedee, or try lilo
[11:50] <jeedee> I need to find a live cd that let me install lilo since my floppy drive is dead :)
[11:50] <schweeb> jeedee: use a knoppix disk to put grub on the mbr
[11:50] <schweeb> or sysresccd or similar
[11:51] <jeedee> ok thank you
[11:56] <jo> I'm going to sleep, bye!