plovsI *really like this distro this is the first time I had a completely working mono-install without any problems12:01
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sabdflplovs: is mono in universe?12:02
violajackhas anyone here had problems with an ibook waking from sleep?12:02
azeemsabdfl: yes, but severly outdated AFAIK12:02
sabdflif you can arrange someone to upload fresh packages, i'm sure mdz will consider them12:02
sabdflnight all12:02
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plovssabdfl, it is in: deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./12:03
Kamionplovs: he just left, send mail to ubuntu-devel I think12:03
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plovsKamion, ah well, good for him, we should be asleep not pounding keyboards12:05
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jordihey neuro12:09
azeemjordi: heh, just thought the same12:09
Mithrandirhi jordi12:09
azeembut judging from the host, I doubt it's *the* neuro12:09
jordi00:10 [OPN]  -!-  ircname  : neuro on the latitude12:10
jordiI guess you're right. :)12:10
jordihi tollef12:10
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neuro|laptopif you think i'm ryan murray, i'm not12:15
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jonohi all12:28
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jonoanyone know of an mp3 encoder in ubuntu that can be used by the sound juicer?12:29
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azeemjono: there are none, due to legal issues, AFAIK12:30
jonoazeem, oh I see12:30
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housetieryou could encode to ogg12:31
jonohousetier, I can, but its for my iRiver and using ogg will not allow me to use the database on the device12:31
housetieryou can install one by source I guess12:32
Deftjono: I'd still use ogg, but hey; you can get mad from the universe I think, although you'd need to check if it's gstreamer0.8-mad or libmad you want, I can't remember12:33
Mitarionn all!12:33
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jonoDeft, mad?12:36
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Deftor maybe I'm just wrong...12:37
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jonois there an ubuntu non-free?12:42
Deftsorry, not paying attention at all, would lame do? "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main"12:42
jonoDeft, I need it for ppc12:43
Deft"deb-src ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main" then?12:43
Deftsorry, I'm not really awake enough for this12:43
jonoDeft, no probs, thanks anyway12:44
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jonois the universe just debian unstable?12:49
yojimbo-sanbasically yes -it's a snapshot of sid at some $time prior to a version release12:49
Kamionjono: basically, yes; only main right now, although we were discussing that at the technical board meeting earlier12:50
jonoKamion, cool, so may non-free be made available12:50
jonoKamion, its worrying me a little that I may not be able to use debian packages in ubuntu12:51
Kamionjono: at some point soonish that will probably happen, yes, although there's still a bit of debate about the implementation12:51
jonoahh right12:51
jonoKamion, so is the idea that when Ubuntu upgrades to a new version, a simple dist-upgrade will get everyone up to date?12:52
punkassi am in the process of doing a fresh Dell XP install for someone....what i giant pain in my ass.12:52
Kamionjono: right12:52
punkassI had to update windows update....12:52
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Kamionjono: if anything more is needed there'll be a warty->hoary upgrade tool or whatever and it'll be announced, but hopefully it shouldn't be too involved12:53
jonoKamion, right12:53
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punkassand the special "Dell XP" disc didnt even find the network card....12:53
punkasssorry just had to vent.. :)12:53
jonoKamion, it would b e cool to do a simple upgrade to everything12:53
jononeuro|laptop, yo12:53
jononeuro|laptop, how goes it dude?12:54
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neuro|laptopjono: good mate, good12:54
jonoKamion, will the upgrade include universe software?12:54
neuro|laptopjono: settling into my new job at lumison :)12:54
jononeuro|laptop, new job?12:54
Kamionneuro|laptop: quite, but count the number of Debian developers on the Ubuntu team ;)12:54
Kamionjono: sure, universe will be resynced12:54
neuro|laptopKamion: :)12:54
jonoKamion, surely the dependencies in universe must be huge?12:55
Kamionjono: correct, which is why it's hard to recommend using Debian packages12:55
Kamionjono: we get away with it because we rebuild the entirety of universe from source12:55
jonoKamion, right12:55
neuro|laptopjono: yeah, check my blog, third post down12:56
jonomorning jdub :)12:56
jononeuro|laptop, cool12:56
jonoKamion, is ubuntu going to allow newer packages to be installed in between releases?12:56
Kamionjono: the hoary development repository will be open during development, if that's what you mean12:57
Zappa_is there an apt souce i can add that will give me packages such as KDE?12:57
jonoKamion, ahhh right, so if a new version of Blender comes out and is added to debian unstable, I assume it will be in the hoary repo?12:57
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neuro|laptoptis saucy, no?12:58
jonothe Linux Format review will reflect this :)12:58
neuro|laptopi did an install on a dell powerapp last night12:58
neuro|laptopeasy peasy lemon squeasy12:58
KamionZappa_: universe; yadda yadda unsupported yadda :)12:58
Zappa_i just want an easy way to install kopete12:58
KamionZappa_: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view12:58
punkassneuro: how about lid actions and power management12:58
neuro|laptoplid actions?12:59
jonoKamion, did you get a chance to look at those questions I mailed you btw?12:59
Zappa_unless you can suggest another IM client that doesn't suck major ass 12:59
Kamionjono: yep, AIUI hoary universe will roll along with Debian sid until the UpstreamVersionFreeze12:59
conekgdid anyone manage to use pppd and modem to connect to the net with ubuntu?12:59
punkassclose the lid, screen goes out...12:59
punkassopen the lid, resume desktop12:59
neuro|laptopyou must be mistaking a powerapp for a laptop :)12:59
neuro|laptoptis a 1U appliance-like PIII server01:00
Kamionjono: hm, no, totally snowed under, I'll try to get back to you soon though01:00
punkassoh haha sorry i did read it wront01:00
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jonoKamion, this process sounds good - have a freeze on hoary to get ready - would'nt surprise me if Debian takes this route at some point01:00
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jonoKamion, I realise you are busy dude, thanks for bearing it in mind though :)01:01
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punkassKamion: great distro by the way..very smooth01:01
jonojdub, ping01:01
neuro|laptopah woo, found it01:02
neuro|laptopwilliam@ottman ~ $ cat /etc/issue01:02
neuro|laptopUbuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" \n \l01:02
Kamionpunkass: ta :)01:02
jonoI am looking forward to X.org hopefully entering ubuntu at some point - are some packages packaged seperately from debian main - the X strike force seems to be slower with this regard01:03
neuro|laptopoh yeah, it did this ...01:03
neuro|laptopBadness in device_release at drivers/base/core.c:8501:03
neuro|laptopwith a panic-like trace dumped to dmesg01:03
neuro|laptopDevice 'i823650' does not have a release() function, it is broken and must be fixed.01:04
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jdubi'm here01:04
tuppamorning jdub01:04
Hrdwr_BoBjomohke_: hoary will feature Xorg01:05
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jonojdub, will you have time over the next day or so to answer a few q's for the Linux Format review of Ubuntu?01:05
jonoHrdwr_BoB, cool01:05
yojimbo-santuppa, you still had one ceated :-)01:05
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ishwith acpi, should my laptop 'sleep' when the lid is shut? it does with apm, but so far the only thing that happens is xscreensaver kicks in.01:06
yojimbo-sanI had one (used but spare) partition on my iMac last night, used ubunto to delete and "use" it, and got /boot, / and swap ... cool.01:06
jdubjono: sure01:09
jonojdub, cheers, I will send them tomorrow :)01:10
jonoright, off to bed01:10
jonolater folks01:10
neuro|laptopnn jono01:10
jonocheers Kamion, jdub :)01:10
jononeuro|laptop, later man, enjoy the new job :D01:10
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jeedeeAnyone remember by heart when the next release is due?01:20
KeybukWarty? October 15th :-)01:21
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tvon|x31For the life of me I can't get nautilus to use gedit when opening text files, it still uses gvim (which I set originally)01:21
KeybukHoary should be on-or-near April 15th01:21
Keybukwith preview in March01:21
keiferhas anyone had any luck installed kde from the universal repository? I get dependency errors.01:22
tvon|x31in fact, I cant change the preferred editor at all, when I set it,close it and re-open the prefereed applications window it always has the same settings01:22
Keybuktvon|x31: sounds like gconf has broken ... if you logout and make sure there's no gconf process running, then login again, does it work?01:23
tvon|x31Keybuk: lemme give that a whilr01:23
jeedeeThank you Keybuk :)01:23
jeedeeI think ill wait for this release since ubuntu won't install on any of my 3 machines01:23
KamionKeybuk: October 13th01:24
michel_v_Keybuk: that's not enough01:25
michel_v_steps needed would be logout, bonobo-slay, log back in01:25
Keybukmichel_v_: bonobo-slay was GNOME 1.4 era01:25
Keybukwe're on 2.8 now :p01:25
michel_v_still works in 2.8, believe it or not01:26
Keybukgconfd isn't a bonobo process in 2.8; so bonobo-slay won't kill it01:26
Keybukabout the only thing it should kill is evo01:26
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subterrificjeedee: if you know what is wrong, submit a bug report. thats the whole point of having a preview01:27
michel_v_oh yeah. I'm not sure wat I used bonobo-slay for, last time :p01:27
jeedeeDon't worry I will01:27
chutwigslaying bonobo monkeys01:27
chutwighow cruel01:27
jeedeeThe only problem I havent solved yet is the grub hang01:27
KeybukI tend to just login as myself on the console and KILL -TERM -101:27
michel_v_another step could be rm /tmp/gconfd-youruser01:28
Keybukjeedee: amd64?01:28
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jeedeeHow did you know Keybuk?01:30
tvonOkay, I fired up gnome-default-applications-properties from the CLI, and when I try to change editor preference it spits an error:01:30
tvonlibgnomevfs-WARNING **: Deprecated function.  User modifications to the MIME database are no longer supported.01:30
tvonso, there we go01:30
Keybukjeedee: I've heard about it before01:30
Keybuktvon: changing the text editor preference?01:31
jeedeeThought you had a solution for me :)01:31
tvonKeybuk: yup01:31
Keybuktvon: oh, wow, that's *special*;  please file a bug :p01:31
tvonKeybuk: aight ;)01:31
subterrifici don't think thats a bug01:31
jeedeeIt's not :)01:31
chutwignot a bug with ubuntu, at least01:31
subterrificthats the gnome 2.8 mime type database01:31
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Keybuksubterrific: it's also the gnome 2.8 preferred applications capplet :p01:32
jeedeeI need to find a fix for emachines laptop, I tried to load ubuntu on a bunch of em and it messed up01:32
subterrificwhich is depricated01:32
Keybuksubterrific: it isn't?01:32
subterrificall the functionality is moved in to nautilus01:32
Keybukno, you're misunderstanding the capplet01:32
Keybukthis isn't the evil nasty one that got removed01:32
Keybukthis is the one that lets you pick your web browser, mail client and terminal app01:32
subterrificoh right, not the mime one01:33
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Keybukand has a panel for text editor too, which of course is broken by the new mime stuff; the other three are still valid settings as they change URI handling01:33
tvonSo should I file it in ubuntu or upstream?01:33
subterrificwell just for the record, mime handling in ubuntu seems to be broken01:33
Keybuktvon: either; we'd file it upstream if you filed it with us01:34
chutwigi dunno, smells like an upstream problem to me01:34
subterrificwhen i add an application to Open With, i'm not able to select it01:34
Keybukit's just the Text Editor pane that's broken there ... the other three still work01:34
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tvonYeah, they do01:34
subterrificit works fine on my gentoo box with gnome 2.801:34
subterrificmaybe they fixed it though01:34
Keybuksubterrific: can you file a bug on that?01:35
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subterrificKeybuk: yeah, i think someone else beat me to it cause we were talking about it last night, but i'll double check01:35
KeybukI just did an Open With on a text file, put gvim in, and it appeared in the right-mouse menu ok01:35
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subterrificKeybuk: but can you select it as the default?01:36
seb128what's the problem ?01:36
axe9dotcomWhat The Hell Did This OS Do To My COMPUTER!01:36
Keybuksubterrific: yup, works fine01:36
seb128the default apps has been fixed with gnome-vfs 2.8.1 today01:36
axe9dotcomRather, why the fuck isn'tm y hard drive working!01:36
chutwigi don't know, keep making vague allusions to the problem and blaming ubuntu and we'll figure it out in a jiffy01:36
axe9dotcomI've been going aroudn and around with people herer for 2 days!01:37
chutwigsaying your hard drive doesn't work could be one of a million things01:37
seb128subterrific: mime handling is not broken in ubuntu afaik01:37
mwh_hello, im looking for libgtkembedmoz anyone know in which package that might be?01:37
seb128subterrific: upstream code was broken until this morning01:37
mwh_I tried installing mozilla-dev ... but it did not contain this library01:38
chutwigplus i feel obligated to remind you that this is a preview release and things are liable to not work01:38
Keybukmwh_: if it's installed on your system; dpkg -S libgtkembedmoz will tell you that01:38
chutwigmwh_: sounds like it has to do with epiphany01:38
Keybukotherwise the Contents files on the FTP site will...01:38
Kamionit's the parted thing; didn't somebody point to a how-to-fix-it-up URL at suse.com earlier today?01:38
axe9dotcomI just switched the master-slave relationships to my hard drives, to have my system boot from my XP drive. Guess what. IT DOESN'T WORK!01:38
Keybuk(and for the record, it's in either mozilla-browser or mozilla-firefox but hidden in the /usr/lib/mozilla* directories)01:38
jeedeeaxe9dotcom did you clear your mbr01:38
chutwigaxe9dotcom: so do fdisk /mbr from the recovery console in XP01:38
jeedeeand just for the record, are you running on an amd6401:38
mwh_Keybuk: thanks found it in /usr/lib/mozilla01:39
Keybukaxe9dotcom: XP really doesn't like you doing that01:39
axe9dotcomI'm on a PIII01:39
calcjeedee: known problems with amd64?01:39
chutwigput the XP CD in, start from it, run the recovery console01:39
jeedeeWith grub, yes01:39
chutwigdo an fdisk /mbr01:40
jeedeeTested on several amd64 machines01:40
chutwigor fixmbr or whatever the command is in there01:40
calci'm running amd64 pure64/winxp on my laptop with no issues01:40
axe9dotcomAlso, somethign is wrong with my disk, and every time I try to run the repair tool, it says there's a file missing, and freezes01:40
calcjeedee: iirc the main issue is when you have more than 4gb ram on grub01:40
tvonseb128: just read the scrollback about the pref apps being fixed.  I also just finished filing the bug, sorry :)01:40
jeedeeI got 512mb01:40
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seb128tvon: np :)01:40
jeedeeI tried on a emachines laptop (amd64) too and I need like 5 parameters in grub to get to the second installation stage01:40
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calcjeedee: the emachines with a newer kernel will work except for the keyboard01:41
Keybukaxe9dotcom: dual-booting Linux and XP when they're on separate drives *is* possible.  The best way to do it is install Windows on the primary drive, then swap them so it's the slave and install Linux on the new primary drive with grub in the MBR.  Then add a record for the Windows drive with "map (hd0) (hd1); map (hd1) (hd0)" in it to swap the drives around so Windows thinks it's booting from the primary drive when really isn't01:41
calcjeedee: i worked with lenb to get the other issues resolved over the past ~ 8mo01:41
CardadorKeybuk: windows is dumb ;)01:42
jeedeeWe plugged in a usb keyboard instead, then there was the vga=771 for the screen and then nolapic to make it past hdd checking01:42
Kamioncalc: I think I forgot to ask last time; is the *HCI controller on that system definitely in discover1-data?01:42
axe9dotcomKeybuk: Tried that01:42
axe9dotcomkeybuk: doesn't work01:42
Keybukaxe9dotcom: how far does booting Windows get?01:42
calcKamion: iirc yes01:42
axe9dotcomnot at all01:42
calcthe issue with the keyboard is it doesn't detect the ports at all, very very odd01:42
Cardadoraxe9dotcom: your partition table probably is messed up01:42
axe9dotcomLinux isn't even seeing my other drive01:42
axe9dotcomnot a partition01:43
axe9dotcomtwo completely sepparate hard drives01:43
Keybukisn't seeing it at all?  what's in /var/log/dmesg for it?01:43
calci wouldn't be surprised if its some kind of acpi issue, the arima acpi dsdt was seriously fucked01:43
KamionKeybuk: it's the parted c/h/s issue on 2.601:43
Keybukaxe9dotcom: that sounds more like you've snagged the cable, or possibly not plugged it in properly, or got the jumpers wrong, or some other internal issue when swapping the drives around01:43
jeedeeThe machine booted with vga=771 noacpi nolapic01:43
calcKeybuk: wrt keyboard normally you see something like:01:44
calcSep  2 22:44:02 calc-amd64 kernel: serio: i8042 AUX port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1201:44
calcSep  2 22:44:02 calc-amd64 kernel: serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 101:44
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calcwith the arima laptop and uhci not compiled in directly it doesn't see that01:44
KeybukKamion: ?01:44
axe9dotcomI've had it opened up a few times, and I finally got pissed, andnow it's just open01:44
SCubeWhere can I download the smaller net install iso?01:44
KamionKeybuk: bug #1566, see parted changelog01:45
Keybukaxe9dotcom: if you just put the Windows disk in, as primary master, on its own, does it boot?01:45
KamionSCube: there isn't one for Ubuntu, sorry01:45
axe9dotcomthough, with this fucking case, I have to take out the fucking powersupply every time I wanna do anythign at all with the hdds01:45
axe9dotcomdoesn't even see a hard drive01:45
KeybukKamion: ouch :-/01:45
SCubeI thought I read something about one.  I guess I'll just have to wait out the full download.01:45
axe9dotcomI never tried putting in the windows hdd by it'sself..01:45
Zappa_is there an apt-command to list all currently installed packages01:46
KamionKeybuk: somebody earlier noted http://portal.suse.com/sdb/en/2004/05/fhassel_windows_not_booting91.html01:46
KamionZappa_: dpkg -l01:46
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KamionSCube: if you find where you read that, let me know; it's possible there are some references left over01:47
Keybukaxe9dotcom: seems a good idea to also check fdisk on the disk and make sure the partition table is correct.01:47
axe9dotcomHow do I do that?01:48
axe9dotcomI got Ubuntu because every body said it was really newbie friendly01:48
jeedeeusing it is newbie friendly, getting it to work is something else ^_-01:48
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axe9dotcomthis is fucked up..01:50
Zappa_thank you Kamion 01:50
axe9dotcomI need a list of thing sI cantry01:51
axe9dotcomso I don't have to keep booting this slow ass OS every time I need to try something else01:51
Kamionaxe9dotcom: have you looked at http://portal.suse.com/sdb/en/2004/05/fhassel_windows_not_booting91.html?01:51
Kamionand does it match your problem?01:52
axe9dotcomone min01:53
axe9dotcomif I installed somethign like RedHat, or Suse, would the new config files be enough to get back windows w/o having to download a new windows thing, and burning it?01:54
axe9dotcom no, it doesnot01:54
axe9dotcomThat's caused because of bad partitioning01:54
axe9dotcommy OSs are on two unique drives01:55
Kamionthey're still on partitions01:55
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axe9dotcomyeha i guess...01:55
Kamionit's possible that partman decided to rewrite the partition table on the Windows drive01:55
KamionI don't know if it did or not, but it's possible01:56
axe9dotcomWhen I switched around the disks, it showed my 80GB (76GB) drive as drive two01:56
axe9dotcomso, if I changed the windows boot profile to boot from 2.2 woudl it work?01:58
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KeybukKamion: his partition table looks intact01:59
KamionKeybuk: I don't know what the failure mode looks like; I don't think it's "total pile of cheese" or anything01:59
Keybukwindows is generally ok as long as the front of the disk doesn't move about too much fwir02:00
Keybukfrom what I recall02:01
Keybuksorry, is just past 1am here :)02:01
jdubKeybuk: reading d-d-l?02:01
Keybukaxe9dotcom: yeah, it could simply be Windows being thick or too intelligent for its own good, depending on your view point ... 02:02
Keybuktelling it to boot from the "second" drive, even when swapped back the way round they should be, might work02:02
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Keybukjdub: no?02:03
axe9dotcom<axe9dotcom> so, if I changed the windows boot profile to boot from 2.2 woudl it work?02:04
Keybukaxe9dotcom: maybe02:04
Keybukit sounds feasible02:05
axe9dotcomShould I try that, and then try taking out the linux drive?02:06
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jdubKeybuk: about-me dialogue, applets discussion (hal, etc), applets for dynamic device mount/unmount, etc. :)02:06
axe9dotcomoh, what';s the command i use to edit the menu.lst file?02:07
Keybukjdub: I'll have to catch up tomorrow after engineer's installed new router02:08
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jdubbadness :|02:10
whiprushschweeb: hey that guy ever fix his laptop sound issue?02:11
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axe9dotcomKamion: what was the command oyu gave me the other day that allowed me to edit the mene.lst file?02:19
schweebwhiprush: yea02:21
schweebparport_pc again02:21
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unshavenyakAck, I'm getting an error upon trying to log into gnome... the message is: unable to read /home/ryan/.ICEauthority02:22
unshavenyakany ideas?02:22
|trey|unshavenyak: remove the file... it will be recreated02:23
unshavenyakthank you02:23
axe9dotcomI CLOSED THE WINDOW!02:23
axe9dotcomhey, does this autolog?02:23
|trey|axe9dotcom: good job... don't yell02:23
axe9dotcomsorry :s02:24
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axe9dotcomit's on the clip bord ^^'02:24
unshavenyakproblem solved, thank you trey02:25
|trey|GNOME folks need to work on their clipboard!!02:25
|trey|Close an application, and whatever was put on the clipboard is gone too  :/02:25
|trey|I remember something set up a daemon that would remember... cept I guess everyone in the gnome project ignored it  :/02:26
unshavenyakumm, anyone know the name of the show desktop and trash applets? 02:26
unshavenyakthey no longer are on the system :/02:26
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|trey|unshavenyak: trashapplet and gnome-applets are the packages containing them... is that what you mean?02:27
unshavenyakyup, thanks trey02:27
|trey|try apt-get install --reinstall <those_pkgs>02:27
|trey|unshavenyak: yw  :)02:28
unshavenyaknow the irony was02:28
unshavenyakI was going to make a norton ghost image of my ubuntu setup02:28
unshavenyakand then I went to log in and that happened02:28
unshavenyakI love irony02:28
JanneMwhere are the daily snapshot cd:s?02:28
JanneMthat's what the default download links point to, right...02:29
axe9dotcomtitle           Windows XP02:30
axe9dotcom<Keybuk> rootnoverify    (hd1,0)02:30
axe9dotcom<Keybuk> map             (hd0) (hd1)02:30
axe9dotcom<Keybuk> map             (hd1) (hd0)02:30
axe9dotcom<Keybuk> makeactive02:30
axe9dotcom<Keybuk> chainloader     +102:30
|trey|grrr @ floods  [angryface] 02:30
Brittjdub: approve my devel email! (I sent it from the wrong account ... doh!)02:31
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jdubBritt: did a few seconds ago ;)02:32
jdubBritt: (btw, TROUBLEMAKER!)02:33
Brittjdub: you rock :) btw, has that been discussed ad nausia before? I thought I might be causing trouble :)02:34
jdubnah, only before we released the preview02:34
whiprushjdub: hey you guys need a pastebin also.02:34
jdubwhiprush: TROUBLEMAKER02:34
|trey|whiprush: #flood works  ;)02:34
jdubha ha you are saying rad now02:34
whiprushSoon you'll be saying def.02:35
|trey|jdub: oh... I was wondering if you could justify how no root account is more userfriendly? I have been trying to figure it out  :(02:35
Brittjdub: maybe the decision will be unanimous02:35
|trey|jdub: was going to change everything from gksudo to gksu, but figured I would listen to reasoning first  :)02:36
whiprushone password is nice.02:37
|trey|no root = annoying though... for instance, at a console, apt-get won't work via sudo...02:37
whiprushmine does.02:37
robertjI think the no root account is more user friendly02:37
whiprushsudo apt-get install foo02:38
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Britt|trey|: in what scenario is apt-get not working for you?02:38
whiprushthat doesn't work for you?02:38
robertjit forces you to actually get your privelege elevatiojn in order instead of just telling people to use root02:38
|trey|whiprush: sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade didn't  :/02:38
whiprushyou need another sudo after &&02:38
|trey|whiprush: blah, more typing  :(02:38
robertjsudo tells you "I need to make a way to do this from in Gnome"02:38
whiprushalias it to 's', that's what I do02:38
whiprushs apt-get install foo02:38
whiprushyou can also sudo -s to get a "root console"02:39
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|trey|whiprush: I usually have an alias upgrade='apt-get update && apt-get upgrade'... could change that... but yeah... I like being root  :)02:39
whiprushwell the point is to not. :p02:39
whiprushsudo rocks, it's just a different way of thinking.02:40
|trey|whiprush: justification for that is what I am looking for  :)02:40
robertjsudo logging is handy02:40
whiprushlike, when you fire someone at work, instead of changing all the dang root passwords, you just delete their account.02:40
whiprushthings like that02:40
=== |trey| wouldn't give a user root access no matter what :/
subterrificsudo also leaves a paper trail02:40
whiprushand instead if a log full of "root did blah" stuff, it's per use02:40
whiprushyeah, what he said02:40
whiprusher, per user I meant.02:41
|trey|I would rather do things for users and have more work to do then give them root privs  :/02:41
GoneBoBsudo is good02:41
subterrificto use marketing speak, its accountable02:41
subterrificor something02:41
|trey|Users having root is just asking for trouble imo02:41
GoneBoBso if you're the sysadmin02:41
whiprushthat's the best part02:41
whiprushyou can granularly assign permissions02:41
GoneBoBbut your manager says you need to give the application manager root02:41
GoneBoBbut he's a dick02:42
GoneBoByou give him sudo access02:42
whiprushso on your one box, the db admin can only mess with the db, the web guy can only mess with apache02:42
whiprushinstead of giving root to everyone.02:42
|trey|whiprush: so you can limit what a user can do with sudo?02:42
|trey|whiprush: hmm, how  8-)02:42
|trey|(if its in the man page, you have permission to tell me to RTFM  8-) )02:43
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JanneMwhiprush: while on the subject, how do (or can ?) you specify that a user needs to input password for all things, except for a few, specified commands?02:43
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whiprushhold on, we did an intro to sudo a while back, sec.02:43
whiprushgo down to the sudo bit02:43
|trey|so far, the lack of root is all I don't like... I have root back... but changing gksudo to gksu will take forever  :/02:44
whiprushfrom there the man page makes more sense02:44
whiprushdude just sudo -s, it's the same thing02:44
ejHow do i edit the applications menu in gnome?02:44
|trey|whiprush: you work for arstechnica?02:44
whiprushI do some stuff for them yeah.02:44
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|trey|ej: umm... easiest way... right click on stuff...02:45
|trey|Why do people ask questions then leave? illogical :/02:45
slackeerbims till here02:45
JanneMwhiprush: nah, didn't help02:45
whiprushJanneM: heh.02:46
JanneMfrom what I've seen, it may not actually be possible02:46
|trey|slackeerb = ej?02:46
whiprushI think it's possible the other way around02:46
slackeerb|trey|: yes =). But that didnt help "right clciking" lol02:46
|trey|slackeerb: umm... yeah, normall method in /usr/share/gnome-vfs2/vfolders is applicable too... (I think thats where its at...02:47
whiprushJanneM: unsure, I just recently moved to sudo-only myself.02:47
JanneMme too02:47
JanneMtime for work02:47
|trey|slackeerb: umm, what exactly do you want to do... you can add and remove thinks, and change what command they issue via right click...02:47
Zappa_in networking when i go and try to enable windows file sharing it says i need to install smb support. i checked my package lists and smb stuff seems to be installed, does it mean a kernel module or something?02:48
slackeerb|trey|: i dont get what you mean. heh. How do i add stuff to the applications menu? And coudl you help me with java? =)02:49
|trey|slackeerb: blah, minus the -vfs2 bit...02:49
subterrificslackeerb: right click in the menu02:49
|trey|slackeerb: right click >> entire menu >> add new item...02:50
housetierZappa_, for once you need a kernel module if it is not already compiled into the kernel, you might need the "smbfs" package02:50
Zappa_okay i'll see if it wants smbfs02:50
slackeerbwhen i right click all theres help,remove, and lock02:51
|trey|slackeerb: no... IN THE APPLICATIONS MENU02:51
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|trey|If you want to add somethign to Accessories... applications >> accessories >> right click >> entire menu >> add new item to this menu02:52
slackeerb|trey|: sorry! lol its so easy.02:52
Zappa_nope smbfs didn't do it, do you know what the kernel module is called?02:52
|trey|slackeerb: yes... don't you feel like a moron  (I would)  :/02:52
slackeerb|trey|: ya to many years on windoze. =)02:53
|trey|slackeerb: winblows  :/02:53
slackeerb|trey|: ah yes winblows. lol. Wonna help me install java or refer me to a guide. =)02:53
|trey|Think logically, and you really can't go wrong with GNOME  :/02:53
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|trey|Even more so with Ubuntu's menu system  8-)02:54
housetierZappa_, the kernel module is also called smbfs02:54
|trey|housetier: should be enabled already... all he should need to do is mount -t smbfs blah blah02:54
housetierits just point and click 02:55
housetier(it should be)02:55
|trey|housetier: if you want to make it harder... sure  :/02:55
housetierok you help02:56
|trey|Debian kernels have smbfs compiled in... what I said ought to work  :/02:56
whiprusharen't you supposed to use cifs instead of smbfs?02:57
|trey|mount -t smbfs //some/unc/on/network /somewhere/on/local/fs02:57
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|trey|whiprush: depends if the share is on windows or unix...02:57
whiprushoh oh02:57
|trey|smbfs = windows... cifs = unix...02:57
housetier|trey|, I thought the point was to not use the command line all the time to make it less fearsome for Joe Average02:57
|trey|housetier: *shrug* some things are easier via cli  :/02:58
housetier|trey|, I don't think so. Its more how much one is used to cli or gui02:58
|trey|Even in the windows world, I use cli to mount shares  :/02:58
housetierthat's YOU02:59
housetierothers might find using a gui much easier02:59
|trey|*shrug* its anyone that knows how  :/02:59
whiprushyou want to mount an smb share?02:59
|trey|whiprush: someone did  :/02:59
whiprushopen up nautilus, file->Connect to server03:00
housetier|trey|, you should cheer up :)03:00
whiprushfill in the stuff03:00
whiprushdone and done.03:00
housetiersmile! :D03:00
|trey|housetier: blah... I don't smile :/03:00
housetierok I overstepped a line there, sorry03:00
|trey|housetier: I also don't help morons... I teach the right way... they can learn the "easy" way from someone else  :/03:01
|trey|Funny how the "easy" way always has more steps though...03:01
housetierno that's a contradiction03:01
|trey|housetier: EXACTLY my point... the easy way SHOULDN'T take long... but it ALWAYS does...03:02
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whiprushso did the file->connect to server work for you housetier?03:02
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housetierwhiprush, no it didnt; in fact it never will03:03
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housetierwhiprush, it wasnt me trying to mount anything03:03
whiprushoh, sorry03:03
housetierZappa_ was having trouble but it got lost in yet another useless fight03:05
whiprushZappa_: still around?03:06
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subterrific|trey|: ctrl alt backspace03:06
subterrificand ctrl alt F1- F603:07
|trey|subterrific: rm -rf /03:07
subterrificor that03:07
Zappa_sorry yes i'm here03:08
|trey|Umm, why restart X? I use X to do things that are more logical via a GUI... I do things the fastest way available...03:08
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|trey|For instance... Web Browsing without GPM at least is a pain... web sites are designed for people that have a mouse...03:09
subterrificso use the command line03:09
whiprushZappa_: you wanted to mount a windows share?03:09
|trey|I DO... for things that make more sense to use a command line...03:09
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subterrificnot everyone wants to learn cli for mounting smb, so there is an option03:10
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Zappa_well what i was trying to do was enable the windows file sharing bit in the networking control panel thing, but it says i need to install smb support03:10
Zappa_but it doesnt really make it clear exactly what it wants installed03:11
housetierZappa_, so you wanted to share some file FOR windows users?03:11
whiprushoh, you mean share a dir on the linux box as a windows share?03:11
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Zappa_both, probably03:11
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|trey|subterrific: ok... like I said, I teach the most logical method... you can teach the brain dead method if you'd like  :/03:11
whiprushwell, the sharing part isn't done graphically just yet, the mounting is though03:12
housetierlogic is still a matter of perception and personal preference, especially when it come to cli vs gui03:12
subterrific|trey|: its not brain dead, some people are visual. insulting them is brain dead03:12
whiprushbest way to share is to probably google for example smb.conf files and base your shares off of that03:12
|trey|subterrific: then I'm brain dead... mean while, the dude would have the share mounted by now if he did what I said...03:13
housetierno he wouldnt03:13
subterrific|trey|: i'm with you, i use the cli all the time. i can't stand using IDEs for example, i'd much rather use makefiles and gdb on the cli03:13
housetierthere is no share to be mounted03:13
|trey|housetier: umm... how you figure?03:13
housetier|trey|, there are directories to be shared03:13
Zappa_well thanks for your help guys, i'm off to bed now it's late. I'll have a play with it some more tomorrow03:13
|trey|housetier: blah... smbclient  :/03:14
subterrific|trey|: maybe i missed it, but you told him how to install samba and configure it?03:14
|trey|subterrific: umm... gnome-vfs2 requires libsmbclient last I checked  :/03:15
subterrifiche wants to be able to share both ways03:15
housetierI can't cope with this anymore03:16
|trey|subterrific: coolies  :/  I didn't even read what he wanted... that should enlighten you to how much I care... they were talking about having to enable smbfs in the kernel, I told them its already there... that was my extent of input until this useless flame...] 03:17
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mxpxpoddo I need the raid stuff for a ppc laptop?03:19
subterrificmxpxpod: probably not03:21
mxpxpodsubterrific: ok03:21
subterrificthat'd be one crazy setup if you were doing raid on a laptop03:21
whiprushI think alienware offers raid on a laptop03:22
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axe9my brnad new hard drive is dead03:22
mxpxpodhow do I check which package installed what file?03:22
subterrificwhiprush: i'm sure that gets great battery life03:23
tvondpkg -S file03:23
tvonmxpxpod: 03:23
axe9how do I install things on Linux03:23
turnpikewigalienware laptops are so retarded03:23
whiprushsubterrific: heh, "10 battery modules, expect life, 10 minutes".03:23
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whiprushI think it has a desktop p4 too. @_@03:23
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alternawigthat dell XPS laptop is ludicrous03:23
alternawigit's like a VCR with a screen03:23
tvonaxe9: tin Ubuntu goto the Computer menu-> System Configuration03:23
tvonaxe9: and use Synaptic03:23
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subterrificwhiprush: they should call them "Tether"03:24
mxpxpodalso, do I need lvm-common?03:24
whiprushMy friend cals them SULs, sport utility laptops.03:24
subterrificwhiprush: totally, what is with the giant laptops these days. it seems silly to me. i'd rather treat a laptop as a terminal to a powerful desktop03:26
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subterrifici guess people must use them as their main machine, but it seems like a waste of money because they're so under powered and over priced03:27
subterrificmxpxpod: what are you doing?03:27
subterrificuninstalling things?03:28
mxpxpodsubterrific: yes03:28
mxpxpodsubterrific: I don't need a billion daemons running on my laptop sucking power03:28
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slackeerbcan someone please help me install java. Ive been tryin for atleast an hour now and no luck.03:29
subterrificubuntu installs a lot of stuff you probably won't need, but i don't see anything actually running that you don't need03:29
subterrificslackeerb: it doesn't get much either than this: http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php03:30
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slackeerbsubterrific: i was looking for that link! Thats what i used last time when i tryed debian a few weeks ago. THANKS!03:31
subterrificslackeerb: you're welcome03:31
whiprushsubterrific: I'm pricing out a fuji laptop at the moment, it's teeny.03:31
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alternawighey look, it's whiprush03:31
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subterrificyeah, those crazy japanese make everything as small as possible03:32
schweebwhiprush: dude, was looking at VAIOs at MicroCenter... those things may suck at linux support, but the LCD was fucking beautiful03:32
whiprushhmmm, I'm using a deb source for sun java.03:32
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subterrifici've been looking at the really thin IBM laptops03:32
whiprushthe x40 is so awesome03:33
subterrificwhiprush: yeah, its a rip off though. its like $300 worth of hardware for $3K03:33
whiprushit still rules though03:33
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tsengits like $1500 worth of hardware03:34
whiprushthe bummer on the x300 is lack of an optical drive03:34
whiprushbut really, you only need that once.03:34
subterrificoh, the x300 is what i was thinking of03:34
tsengwhiprush: hah i watch dvds on my laptop every night03:34
tsengid go nuts03:34
subterrificthe x300 is the 1ghz 20gig HD, paper thin model03:34
whiprushoh, that too, heh.03:34
schweebwhiprush: yea, you can't even frigging rip audio CDs w/o an optical drive... think about that... and no burner03:35
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whiprushit has one, just external03:35
subterrificjdub: how is the keyboard on the x300, it seemed really hard to use at the sony store03:36
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whiprushI'm hoping that one is my next ubuntu laptop03:36
tvonwhich is about the same size as the x30003:36
tvonalso has no drive03:36
punkassi just tried to add a slave drive to my system and when i do it hangs on boot up...any thoughts?03:36
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punkassi havent added any fstab settings or anything...just connected the drive..its going to be used for a backup drive03:36
subterrificpunkass: can you boot off a cd?03:36
housetiercheck ze bios, the jumper settings, maybe ask in #hardware03:36
subterrificyeah, that could be so many things03:37
slackeerbsubterrific: when i add the line they tell me to add to my apt source, I get an erro when i apt-get update.03:37
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punkass_yup..i can boot of the other drive fine to when the second one isnt plugged in03:37
subterrificmaybe you loosened a cable or something, who knows03:37
whiprushugh, my box does that sometimes.03:38
whiprushcheck the jumper03:38
whiprushmake sure one isn't on cable select03:38
housetierslackeerb, what error do you get?03:38
punkass_yeah already moved them around..even tried another drive03:38
subterrificpunkass: can yourpower supply handle another drive ;)03:38
axe9Why the hell can' tI install JRE?03:38
punkass_hehe yeah..its a 300w03:38
subterrificslackeerb: did you do apt-get update?03:39
slackeerbW: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems03:39
slackeerbE: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.03:39
slackeerbthats what i egt when i run apt-get update03:39
slackeerbaxe9 there helping me install jre as we speak03:40
axe9to install JRe, the instructions say to open the terminal, and type su, then my pass03:40
axe9it says my pass is wrong03:40
axe9how the hell do I enable the root user?03:41
chutwig|ubuntutype sudo -s instead03:41
chutwig|ubuntuthere's no need to enable root03:41
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jdubsubterrific: hasn't worried me so far, just forgetting ibook muscle memory03:41
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jblackHiya. Is there a way to get gnome to start esd with -r 48000 ? 03:43
axe9Where is the usr/java folder?03:43
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whiprushhow are you trying to get java?03:45
jwardAnyone here to discuss some grub oddities after installing ubuntu on my dual boot debian system?03:45
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subterrificthe ubuntu smp kernel has some serious issues03:47
whiprushmine just upgraded tonight03:47
subterrifici can't go a day without the machine totally locking up or getting too slow to even use a console03:47
subterrificthis machine had a 178 day uptime with fedora core 1 before03:48
whiprushaxe9: are you trying to get java working?03:48
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jwardHere's my grub issue (if anyone has a thought), installed ubuntu on a system that has debian on a different partition, with a grub boot already setup, let ubuntuo put it's on version of grub on the MBR, rebooted in my debian and wanted it to take control of the grub boot, so I added ubuntu to my menu.lst, then did a grub-install /dev/hda and it complains and won't install.  Rebooted into ubuntu, did a grub-install no-problems ... didn't find mu03:49
aitruscould someone who has it on their system please tell me what package provides libmikmod.so.203:50
tvonaitrus: "apt-cache search libmikmod"03:51
jwardaitrus: don't have mine up, but I'm guessing it's the same as the debian one's, i.e. libdevel/libmikmod2-0dev, or sounds/xmms03:51
aitrusthanks and thanks.03:52
jward(some mispellsing there, sorry)03:52
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aitrusfinally!!  i found the solution to my own bug!03:53
tvonMy most frequent commands are "apt-cache search foo" and "apt-get upgrade -uV"03:53
jwardAnyone using ubuntu on a dual boot system, with another distro (and grub?) - if so, did you let ubuntu manage the grub MBR, or your other distro?03:55
axe9yeah whip03:56
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tvonjward: whatever was installed first manages my grub03:56
jwardtvon: but the ubuntu installer doesn't give you much choice not to install grub ...  unless I missed the ignore button03:57
tvonjward: good point...but there should be an 'expert' mode for the installer that you can use03:57
jwardtvon: too late ... now I'm having issues with my debian system doing a grub-install /dev/hda ... quite a bummer - not sure if it's ubuntu related or not03:57
Tsjoklathi all04:00
axe9I got JRE isntalled04:00
axe9use the instructions on the site04:00
jwardsuns site? or somewhere else?04:01
axe9Why can't I create a file in the usr dir >.>04:04
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axe9I need home/usr/java/ to be there04:04
mojogood morning all ppl!04:04
axe9but I can't create the file >.>04:04
mojoback to the work ^-^04:04
Tsjoklatwb mojo04:04
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mojoTsjoklat: I just got up-to-date and it ruins my Workspace Applet, now changing the number of Workspaces won't budge04:05
mojoTsjoklat: Can u check the Workspace Applet on ur box? I want to confirm whether it's a bug or not04:06
Tsjoklatah ppl were having the same probs yesterday04:06
Tsjoklatdid you reboot?04:06
mojoit's weird u know04:06
axe9How do I install avureus?04:06
mojolast time it works04:06
axe9it's not working04:06
Tsjoklatoh I know04:06
mojoafter installing up-to-date gnome-vfs04:06
mojoit's done...04:06
Tsjoklatlet me check04:07
Tsjoklat(I didn't update yet)04:07
Tsjoklatworks for me mojo.. sorry04:09
mojoTsjoklat: I see, some few ppl encouter this prob04:09
mojoTsjoklat: I will dig the code to see what's wrong04:09
TsjoklatI'll keep an eye out to see what is going on with that04:10
mojoTsjoklat: I still have some probs installing Intel C Compiler, its in RPM, I use "alien" to convert to deb but it seems not to run after installed, lots of err, you know how to?04:11
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Tsjoklatno I don't, alien should work just fine04:12
Tsjoklatwhat kind of errors does it give you?04:13
mojoi think it hasn't linked to some properly lib path04:14
mojoI have some type probs with installing Maya 604:14
TsjoklatI heard ppl having issues with Maya04:14
mojoyeah, Maya using alien miss all lib link,04:15
aitrusis there some other change i'm supposed to make to get the universe archive besides uncommenting those two lines in /etc/apt/sources.list?04:15
subterrifici've got run now04:15
Tsjoklathey sub04:15
jwardaitrus: apt-get update04:15
mojoFireFox got to 1.0PR now, but Ubuntu hasn't updated it yet, so sad..04:16
Tsjoklathow is things?04:16
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aitrusi get lots of errors when i do that... =(04:16
aitrusabout index files failing to download04:17
subterrificgood besides this machine not being able to stay up for more that 12 hours04:17
jwardaitrus: what else is uncommented in there?04:17
subterrifici get the feeling the 2.6.8 kernel is a lemon04:17
aitruseverything except the comments04:17
axe9woot woot!04:17
axe9I'm getting the hang of this terminal..04:17
axe9finally >.>04:18
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jwardaitrus: don't have mine in front of me :( ... but I don't recall having everything uncommented ...04:18
Tsjoklatwhy twelve hours?04:18
aitrusjward: it keeps saying no such file or directory on the restricted stuff04:18
mojohey ppl, I got a pal working a Adobe, he said Adobe now is considering to port Adobe Acrobat Reader motif to GTK2+, the plan has been subitted for consideration, happy news04:19
subterrificTsjoklat: no idea, but i leave the machine sitting idle and when i come in the next morning its frozen04:19
Tsjoklatdo you have your power savings on?04:19
TsjoklatI always disable that04:19
subterrificme too because it never works04:19
Tsjoklathad the same problem04:19
Tsjoklatdo you  have powertweak installed?04:20
subterrificand this lock up actually just happened about 10 minutes ago while i was trying to talk to jdub about his laptop04:20
jduboh go on04:20
jdubblame me04:20
Tsjoklatyou are on a lap?04:20
subterrificTsjoklat: no, its a desktop04:20
jwardaitrus: can't help you, my laptop (with ubuntu) isn't with me ... are you on the same machine right now (i.e. network connection is up and running?)04:20
subterrificno powertweak installed04:20
joemis there an easy way/documentation to install ubuntu from the live cd04:20
aitrusjward: yup yup04:21
Tsjoklattaht is the weirdest thing.. mmmm I would still recheck the powersavings again.. just to be abso sure04:21
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subterrificthe install is literally the default install, i just use this machine to ssh into our servers04:21
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subterrificTsjoklat: you mean the powersaving stuff in the screensaver setup?04:22
jwardjoem: have you started the install process? it's fairly easy, even for a newbie, unless you are uncomfortable with partitioning a non-empty machine04:22
Tsjoklatyou have to check it all.. and push the sliders to the left so it will say: disable04:22
Tsjoklatthat always does the trick for me04:22
subterrificeverything is disabled, the screensaver is set to blank screen only04:23
subterrifici can try disabling that even04:23
subterrificbut blank screen has never caused me problems04:23
Tsjoklatoh well then I think you found the problem04:23
joemjward, It isn't that, the install cd has hardware detection problems and fails, but I can boot fine from the live cd04:23
Tsjoklatyou should be able to disable that04:23
subterrificok, i'll try that04:23
Tsjoklatdo you have xscreensaver installed?04:24
subterrificwell yeah, its installed by default right?04:24
Tsjoklatnot sure04:24
Tsjoklatperhaps reinstall the bugger again? it's too odd that you can't disable it04:25
subterrifici can04:25
Tsjoklatit sounds like it is trying to do powersavings of some sort and then kills your box04:25
subterrificand i just did04:25
jwardjoem: I had to disable some usb stuff the first time with the install cd, wasn't happy with my USB hub built in to my monitor, you should be able to do some tweakign with the boot options on the install cd.04:25
subterrificTsjoklat: thats what i thought too, but it just did it while i was using the machine04:25
joemjward, have tried quite a few options, it bails not being able to find a cd rom drive04:25
Tsjoklatwell the powersavings may be set to ten mins.. you don't know do you?04:26
joembut I will check it out some more04:26
jwardjoem: bummer, when did the live CD come out ... I didn't know it was ready ...04:26
Tsjoklatsince you can't even disable it04:26
subterrificit is set to 10 minutes04:26
subterrificTsjoklat: i can disable it, and i just did04:26
subterrificbut i wasn't idle for 10 minutes04:26
subterrifici was using the mouse when it died04:26
Tsjoklatare you able to check the power savings thing?04:27
mojojoem, sub, Tsjok: u guys know how to define the icon for a device when mount in GNOME? I plug in my USB and in My Computer the icon is just a normal drive icon, not the USB icon that I want, have any idea?04:27
Tsjoklatyou have to check the box and then slide the sliders to the left04:27
subterrificTsjoklat: all boxes are unchecked, like i said04:27
Tsjoklatcheck them04:27
joemjward, don't think it is official yet, http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/000297.html04:27
Tsjoklatcheck the power savings.. check the three underneath that04:28
joemmojo, right click properties - select custom icon?04:28
Tsjoklatslide the things to the left04:28
Tsjoklatapply/ok and see what it does then04:28
subterrificTsjoklat: there are no sliders, you're confused with OS X04:28
Tsjoklatno I am not lol04:28
Tsjoklatthere are three underneath it04:29
subterrificthere are 3 edit fields with spinner controls, no sliders04:29
Tsjoklatsame deal04:30
Tsjoklatall I know is,  you got to check 'em, and move them to the left so it says: disabled04:30
Tsjoklatlet me check again.. sliders/spinners04:31
subterrificTsjoklat: you're really confusing this with the OS X UI, it doesn't work like that at all04:31
subterrificthere is a single check box that disables it04:31
subterrifici know what problem you're describing, and that is not what is happening04:32
subterrificthe monitor is not going to sleep04:32
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mojohey tsjok: after I restart, the Workspace applet works normally again04:33
Tsjoklatalright.. you are right, but if the monitor doesn't go to sleep.. what do you mean then? it just dies?  your box?04:33
subterrificits like the kernel is dead locking and not handling interrupts04:34
Tsjoklatgreat mojo :) one prob solved04:34
subterrificread the bug report i wrote, i have to go now04:34
TsjoklatI will04:34
TsjoklatI need more coffee... useless right now04:34
diemandoes fgrlx have pcie support?04:35
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diemanlooks like it doesn't04:39
makoergh.. has anyone else on the list seem my post about ubuntu traffic?04:39
diemanis that the subject?04:40
diemanyeah,i dont see anything yet04:40
makoi've sent it twice now04:40
hornbeckdoes anyone know where I can get the dbus-cil package04:41
makowell, i just finished the most recent traffic so i might as well update it and send it again04:41
hornbecklibdbus-cil I mean04:41
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makodieman: i spelled ubuntu wrong, differently, twice :)04:43
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schweebhornbeck: sounds like mono04:47
hornbeckyeah it is04:47
hornbeckit is dbus-sharp04:47
hornbeckI am wanting to play around with beagle and need that package04:47
hornbeckI guess I will have to learn to make .deb04:47
schweebprobably have to compile it04:47
tvonhornbeck: I think beagle needs dbus from cvs, not sure04:47
tvonhornbeck: but, there is no dbus-cil in ubuntu at the moment04:48
schweebbeagle usually needs cvs shit04:48
hornbeckI cannot get the dbus cvs to stop giving me errors04:48
hornbeckbut I think I have beagle working now04:48
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jmhodgeshey, octave-matcompat mentions that it is replaced by octave-forge but octave-forge does not exist in the ubuntu repositories04:50
jmhodgesis there something im missing?04:52
chutwigso who's lalo martins04:53
diemanmako: 'people.ubunlinux.org' <-- you did it again.04:53
makothat's a different way too04:54
stratuschutwig, afaik lalo is a brazillian DD.04:55
chutwigi got bored and went looking for the ubuntu group on orkut04:55
chutwigand he's the owner04:55
makochchutwig: lalo is a python dude04:55
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makochutwig: ergh.. sorry04:55
stratusis there a ubuntu community there already?04:56
makoi'm REALLY lagged04:56
chutwig8 people now, i just joined04:56
stratusmako, lalo is more than a python dude :P04:56
makomy internet is down and i'm, weather permitting, working with a laptop halfway out the window in the kitchen routing o my network04:56
stratusmako, hau!04:56
makostratus: yes :)04:56
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makosome nice neighbor :)04:56
makolalo works for canonical04:57
stratusmako, is he? hmm.04:57
stratusmako, i've talked with mr. reis by mail these days.04:57
stratuslalo is a really old buddy.04:57
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makokiko is great :)04:58
stratushe seems to be a cool guy.04:58
stratusi was disturbing him about the projects, plans and that stuff.04:58
makoi've hung out with lalo, and kiko actually, at both FISL and some canonical meetings04:59
makodieman: but i mispelled it in a hypothetical url, so it doesn't matter04:59
makodieman: although it makes my phrase "probably" less probable04:59
stratuscool, i came back after debconf4 no FISL for me. much work :/04:59
Se7hi cant see how to make the movies play05:00
Se7htotem only gives the sound05:00
jwardcodec issue?05:00
Se7hand mplayer freezes when i try to play05:01
tvoncould try totem-xine05:01
Se7hPackage totem-xine is not available, but is referred to by another package.05:02
Se7hThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or05:02
Se7his only available from another source05:02
Se7hE: Package totem-xine has no installation candidate05:02
schweebgxine is sweet05:03
schweebfullscreen always crashes on me05:03
elmayanever tried fullscreen05:03
Se7hE: Couldn't find package gxine05:03
elmayaupdate your sources05:04
joemschweeb, full screen gxine is broke in the official release05:04
schweebyou have to add universe05:04
joembut fixed in cvs05:04
schweebjoem: yea, I'm not real motivated to compile... even though I could easily build a package, heh05:04
aitruslet me know if your universe add works!05:04
aitrusmine is still dying... =(05:04
schweebtoo busy with everything else05:05
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Se7hhow do i do that?05:05
elmayauncoment universe then apt-get update05:06
Se7hah so that's universe05:06
Se7hlol o k05:06
Se7hfine by now...05:08
wm_eddieyeah... ubuntu is awesome...05:09
Se7hE: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.05:10
Se7hFailed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/source/Sources .gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)05:10
Se7h78% [18 Sources gzip 0]  [21 Sources 21236/1053kB 2%]                53.5kB/s 19s05:10
Se7hgzip: stdin: not in gzip format05:10
Se7hErr http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Sources05:10
Se7h  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)05:10
Se7hsorry for the spam05:10
Se7hthats all05:10
aitrusi get that too, comment out your deb-src line for universe05:10
jwardbut does that keep it from working, or is it only a warning?05:11
aitrusit seems to tick off synaptic05:11
Se7hjust warnings05:11
diemansomeone break the file?05:11
jwardaitrus: ah, didn't know you were using synaptic05:12
aitrusjward: i'm using both command line and synaptic05:12
Se7hme too05:12
aitrusjward: when you guys tell me somethign, i use the command-line... when i go to browse stuff, i use synaptic05:12
aitruswha?!  no mplayer in universe?  am i crazy?05:12
Se7hi get a bunch of dependecies05:13
Se7hand it stop the mplayer upgrade05:13
wm_eddiemplayer is special...05:13
Oolongfaq gives the name of a deb mirror to get mplayer05:13
Se7hstill cant watch movies05:14
chutwigi recommend trying totem-xine from universe instead05:16
chutwigor vlc05:16
chutwigi don't like mplayer05:16
jwardThe faq says add debian-marillat what's the prefix to that? http?05:16
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aitrushmm... i don't have sound in flash files...05:18
jwardOolong: thanks05:18
Se7hhow can i dpkg -i05:18
Se7hand download required libs ?05:18
Se7hi mean...05:19
Se7hat the same time05:19
jwarduse apt-get05:19
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chutwigbronx cheer05:20
Se7hThe following packages have unmet dependencies:05:21
Se7hi get the needed libs05:21
jwardSe7h: not sure I follow you, what's stuck?05:22
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Se7hwell basicaly05:22
Se7hi cant play movie files05:22
jwardyes, and you added the marillat repo to get mplayer, and did an apt-get install mplayer?05:23
jward(after doing an apt-get update)05:23
chutwigdid you update your package lists first?05:23
schweebmplayer has nothing to do withi movies working05:23
schweebit's probably more of a codec problem05:23
Se7his installed05:23
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schweebapt-get install w32codecs05:23
Se7hmplayer freezes when i try to play 05:23
chutwigget totem-xine already05:24
Se7hchutwig dependencies05:24
Oolongthe codec are on the marillat repo05:24
chutwigwhat dependencies?05:24
Se7h  totem-xine: Depends: libgcrypt11 but it is not installable05:24
Se7h              Depends: libgnutls11 (>= 1.0.16) but it is not installable05:24
Se7h              Depends: libgpg-error0 (>= 1.0) but 0.7-1 is to be installed05:24
wm_eddieman, this modprobe is taking forever.05:24
Se7hi know...download each of them and install05:24
chutwigyour dependencies are wacked05:25
chutwigwhat happens when you apt-get install libgnutls1105:25
chutwigwhat does it say05:25
Se7hE: Package libgnutls11 has no installation candidate05:26
Se7hi've already tried that05:26
aitrusis there a gstreamer plugin for quicktime or wmv files?05:26
Se7hso...any ideias?=05:28
jwardSe7h: might try the "--fix-broken" flag to apt-get ...05:28
chutwigor you might try taking a bat to it05:28
aitrusthat's the spirit!05:28
Se7hno jward05:29
Se7hsame thing05:29
Se7hi get the list of dependecies05:29
jwardI'm useless, I don't have my ubuntu box in front of me so I can't try it myself05:30
wm_eddiehmm alsa doesn't work :/05:30
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Se7hi've got 3 problems to resolv05:31
Se7hi think...05:31
Se7hits the movie files thing05:31
Se7hwindows network access05:31
Se7hand the flash05:31
Se7hand install a cd burning prog05:32
jwardCould be worse, you could have my problem where when I boot into ubuntu DNS stops working on my entire network, and I have to renew my lease on my wireless router!05:32
Se7hbut i want to see some porn05:33
Se7hand cant find a way to05:33
Se7hwell its 4.34am05:34
Se7hand i gotta get to bed05:34
Se7hthanks for the possible help u could give05:34
jwardsame for me, keep up the good work and persistence ...05:35
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tuppaso who's agreeing to give a talk next month in SAGE-NSW about Ubuntu? ;)05:50
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jdubtuppa: there've been emails to rob and i about it05:51
jdubtuppa: i should be able to go05:51
tuppajdub:  cool, wouldn't mind seeing you or rob demoing it again ;)05:52
jdubthis time i'll do the talk DURING the install05:52
jdubtuppa: you enjoying it?05:52
tuppayeh it was cool05:53
tuppaalthough I did wonder, what is perl doing in ubuntu? ;)05:53
jdubnaw, ubuntu, not the talk :)05:53
jdubhas to be there05:53
tuppayeh so far so good05:53
jdubbase includes all the useful unix utilities :)05:53
tuppahave to pull more people from work to use it :)05:53
jdubstill at fluffy?05:53
tuppanah left 3 months ago05:54
jduboh, where are you now?05:54
tuppaplace called corvu05:54
tuppabusiness "intelligence" software05:54
tuppaam currently fighting the good fight of converting more people to Linux ;)05:54
rage1well more plugin,s be in the final release are depend on apt05:55
tuppaand attempting to decommission the windows and AIX server here :D05:55
jdubtuppa: ooh, enterprise todo list products! ;)05:56
schweebtuppa: heh, <3 migration05:56
schweebget a good feeling building a Linux server out of a Windows server05:57
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dstis there a gnome-base type package that I can apt get to bring in all of gnome?05:58
tuppawell the windows server aren't doing much except being a SQL server and SUS server05:58
jdubdst: you didn't install the entire desktop?05:58
tuppaso that's pretty much windows-y05:58
schweebdst: gnome should all be installed by default05:59
dstjdub: couldn't get the install cd to work, had to use a small net install cd05:59
tuppajdub:  so, what funky stuff does ubuntu "enterprise" have? ;)05:59
schweebdst: mini.iso?05:59
dstschweeb: yes05:59
schweebpulled down everything for me...05:59
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jdubdst: aptitiude install "~tubuntu-desktop"06:02
jdubtuppa: there is no 'enterprise' :)06:02
dstjdub: thanks06:02
slackeerbhow would I burn a .dmg cd image on ubuntu/gnome?06:04
jdubi don't think they're iso format06:04
jdubslackeerb: open a terminal06:04
jduband run 'file <filename>'06:04
jdubwhat does it say?06:04
slackeerbjdub: it says cannot open06:05
slackeerbim trying to burn mac os panther so i can check out pear pc06:05
jdubslackeerb: are you in the same directory as the file? :)06:05
slackeerbi get this06:06
slackeerbis it ok if i paste it?06:06
slackeerbits kinda big06:06
jdubwow, there's lots of ubuntu stuff on gnome-look06:06
jdubslackeerb: i guess - how big?06:06
slackeerbej@ubuntu ~/Desktop $ file Mac OS X Panther Final Install Disc 1.dmg06:06
slackeerbMac:     cannot open 'Mac' (No such file or directory)06:06
slackeerbOS:      cannot open 'OS' (No such file or directory)06:06
slackeerbX:       cannot open 'X' (No such file or directory)06:06
slackeerbPanther: cannot open 'Panther' (No such file or directory)06:06
slackeerbFinal:   cannot open 'Final' (No such file or directory)06:06
slackeerbInstall: cannot open 'Install' (No such file or directory)06:06
slackeerbDisc:    cannot open 'Disc' (No such file or directory)06:06
slackeerb1.dmg:   cannot open '1.dmg' (No such file or directory)06:06
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slackeerbthat big06:06
dstslackeerb: pput the name in ""06:06
dstor use tab completion06:07
phlaegelslackeerb: it thinks you asked it to check 8 files06:07
slackeerbej@ubuntu ~/Desktop $ file "Mac OS X Panther Final Install Disc 1.dmg"06:07
slackeerbMac OS X Panther Final Install Disc 1.dmg: data06:07
slackeerb? =)06:08
jmhodgeswould a bug report on a missing dependency in universe by ok? or does that fall under "universe is not supported"?06:09
slackeerbeh ill come back tomarrow and ask. i got to wake up at 5. Good night everyone.06:11
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jmhodgesif i shouldn't post to the ubuntu bugzilla, who should i talk to about universe?06:13
jmhodgesmmm.. agnostic.. damn.. 06:15
jmhodgesgood idea though06:15
wm_eddieum is alsa-utils not supposed to have alsaconf06:24
schweebtry alsa-base06:24
wm_eddieI already installed that.06:25
wm_eddieI did apt-get update an hour ago too.06:25
schweebit's not installed on my box anymore either06:26
schweebmaybe that's intentional06:26
wm_eddieit was installed before06:26
wm_eddiebut then I re-installed it because it wasn't working.06:26
schweebmost of the alsa conf should be done by hotplug now though06:26
wm_eddieI'm running 2.4 too06:26
schweebalsa-utils (1.0.5-1ubuntu2) warty; urgency=low06:27
schweeb  * Remove alsaconf due to bugginess; it's not generally needed (insecure06:27
schweeb    temporary file, writing empty modprobe.conf (Ubuntu #1378))06:27
schweeb -- Matt Zimmerman <mdz@canonical.com>  Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:33:20 -070006:27
schweebso that's what was writing the empty modprobe.conf06:28
schweebI was gonna file a bugreport on that, but forgot06:28
schweebwhy would you install 2.4 on ubuntu?  you lost most of the reasons to use it in the first place06:28
wm_eddieapm doesn't work in 1.606:29
schweebno udev06:29
wm_eddieon my laptop06:29
schweebapm or acpi?06:29
wm_eddieapm, it's too old for acpi06:29
schweebtry acpi06:29
wm_eddieacpi doens't work06:29
wm_eddieI tried.06:29
schweebdid you compile alsa into 2.4?06:30
wm_eddieno, I juse used what was in universe.06:30
wm_eddieand installed the alsa module06:30
schweebyou need to compile the driver modules06:32
wm_eddiedo I? why?06:33
schweebalsa isn't in 2.406:33
schweebunless someone included them for you...06:33
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wm_eddiealsa-modules-2.4.26-1-686 - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (drivers)06:33
schweebstill, hotplug should load it all for you06:34
wm_eddieit's strange that's why I need alsaconf06:34
schweebis it not working?06:34
schweeblsmod | grep snd06:34
wm_eddieI need to force it to load another driver06:34
schweeband cat /proc/asound/cards06:34
schweebhotplug loading the OSS driver?06:34
wm_eddienothing in lsmod| grep snd06:35
wm_eddieand no /proc/asound/06:35
schweebno alsa modules loaded06:35
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wm_eddieI'm confused :( I want my alsaconf back...06:35
schweebyou're not going to have a lot of fun using ubuntu w/o 2.6 :-/06:36
schweebjust a sec though06:36
schweeblemme get the linuxorbit article you used to have to use back in the day to get it working06:36
wm_eddiewell, a laptop without apm is useless....06:36
schweebmeh, shut it off when you're not using it06:36
wm_eddieI can go without sleep, but I need to know how my battery is going at least.06:37
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toyowheelinhello all06:40
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toyowheelinI have just installed ubuntu amd64 and the install never prompted for a ROOT password so I was wondering what the "default" password would be?06:41
wm_eddieTomorrow I have to fix this, and enter the world of pain that is my wireless card.06:41
wm_eddietoyowheelin: there is none06:41
toyowheelinit will not accept blank as a pass06:42
sladentoyowheelin:   sudo {...command you would have typed as root...}06:42
toyowheelinits in the GUI06:42
sladentoyowheelin: eg.   sudo emacs /etc/apt/sources.list06:42
sladentoyowheelin: gtksudo should take care of that06:43
wm_eddiemy gtksudo always fails...06:43
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sladencould you describe how it's failing?06:43
wm_eddiehold on...06:43
wm_eddiefailed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root: Child terminated with 1 status06:44
toyowheelinFailed to run gdmsetup as user root:06:44
toyowheelin Child terminated with 1 status06:44
wm_eddieI actually have a root password though.06:44
toyowheelinlol wm_eddie same error06:45
toyowheelinI dont06:45
sladenwhat happens if you open a terminal and type:06:45
wm_eddietoyowheelin: you want to use your user password06:45
sladen  sudo echo hello this is being run as root 06:45
wm_eddieubuntu:/etc/alsa/0.9# sudo echo hello06:45
toyowheelinI havent setup a pass for root yet06:45
phlaegeltoyowheelin: you're not supposed to06:45
wm_eddietoyowheelin: have you read that faq I posted?06:46
Treenakstoyowheelin: you don't need to, everything uses sudo06:46
sladenwm_eddie: okay.  And what happens when you run that as a user like you're supposed to!  :)06:46
wm_eddieyeah, I just realized that i was in a root prompt06:46
wm_eddieI think I have to add myself to the sudoers file06:47
wm_eddiehmm where is that I wonder.. /etc/sudo06:47
Treenaksargh, evolution doesn't understand ipv6 imap servers it seems06:48
Treenaks"Invalid argument" while connecting..06:48
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toyowheelinhow do I go about installing KDE?06:49
Tsjoklatjust kde isn't much supported yet06:50
toyowheelinits really not funny06:50
schweebI think most of it's in universe now06:51
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wm_eddietoyowheelin: just use gnome and make your life easier for now.06:51
toyowheelingrr well can anyone tell me how to turn up the refresh on the mon...60hz is deadly on the eyes06:51
fabbionehow do i tell thunderbird to stop opening new windows each time i click on a message or a mailbox?06:51
wm_eddietoyowheelin: edit /etc/X11/XF86COnfig06:51
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schweebfabbione: there's an extension06:51
toyowheelinwas hoping for a gui way06:51
wm_eddieexcept... properly capitalized?06:51
schweebfabbione: No New Window On Double Click06:51
wm_eddiewhy did I put a ? there...06:51
wm_eddieI need slee.06:52
fabbionetoyowheelin: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8606:52
Treenakstoyowheelin: sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config ?06:52
fabbionedo not edit X config manually!06:52
fabbioneit's BAD06:52
fabbionedpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8606:52
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schweebyes, it eats your children06:52
schweebit'd be neat if xserver-xfree86 could configure TwinView ;)06:52
fabbioneschweeb: where do i find that extension?06:52
schweebfabbione: just a sec06:53
fabbioneschweeb: file a wishlist bug with all the reference06:53
fabbioneperhaps it's doable somehow06:53
schweebyea, I probably will06:53
fabbione<- maintains X06:53
schweebyou on XSF too?06:54
wm_eddiehow do I go about installing mono?06:54
schweebas is daniels, correct?06:54
Se7h227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,0,3,10,203)06:54
Se7hLIST -aL06:54
Se7h553 Invalid file or directory.06:54
Se7hInvalid response '5' received from server.06:54
wm_eddieI'd really like mono.06:54
fabbioneschweeb: correct06:54
schweebwm_eddie: you'll have to add an extra source06:55
Se7hhow do i take passive mode from gftp ?=06:55
schweebI'll get you the URL after I get the NNWODC thing for fabbione 06:55
plovswm_eddie, mono: deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./06:56
schweebfabbione: http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=15006:56
wm_eddieI'm very interested in mono.  I like C# too.06:56
schweebyea, tseng's source06:56
phlaegelwm_eddie: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/000068.html06:56
schweebI'm gonna mirror tseng's source along with some other frequently needed ubuntu things soon, hopefully06:57
schweebfabbione: I use that for my employees at work (we use tbird now! - way better than outlook)06:57
fabbioneschweeb: thanks. checking nwo06:57
schweebI've only ran into problems with it once06:58
schweeban employee couldn't open up new emails earlier... and it turned out to be that06:58
schweebbut works elsewhere perfect06:58
fabbioneit seems to work ok07:00
fabbionethanks dude07:00
schweebno prob07:00
schweebreminds me I gotta migrate back to tbird from evo07:00
schweebevo = slow07:00
fabbionehm no07:00
wm_eddieevo = gnome07:00
fabbioneit didn't load it07:00
wm_eddieand that means better integration.07:01
schweebyou have to restart tbird, fabbione 07:01
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schweebwm_eddie: that doesn't matter to me07:01
schweebwm_eddie: when I go to my linux-kernel box, or something, and I can't do anything else in my email client, that's bad07:02
schweebI can do all kinds of fun shit in tbird and it keeps goin strong07:02
schweebwhen there's a good open groupware server solution for linux that I can connect evolution to, then I can consider using evolution07:03
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toyowheelinalright much better07:04
schweebhopefully an eGroupware plugin07:04
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wm_eddieIs there a way I can sync my evolutions with my server?07:04
schweebsync what?07:04
toyowheelinnow...how to install things like...tuxracer and more important tings like xmms07:04
wm_eddieMostly contacts and todo list items.07:04
fabbioneschweeb: in which .mozilla-thunderbird directory the plugin has to be installed?07:05
schweebthe bounties are still open for calendar publishing07:05
phlaegeltoyowheelin: run synaptic and search around a bit. lots of apps to install there.07:05
Se7h"Invalid response '5' received from server." on gftp07:05
schweebfabbione: I just import the xpi *shrug*07:05
wm_eddiea whole lot07:05
fabbioneschweeb: ah ok07:05
wm_eddieyea! mono is working.07:06
schweebwm_eddie: I also happen to like firefox about 10000x more than Epiphany :p gonna hold that against me too07:06
wm_eddieI hate epiphany...07:07
schweebwell, epiphany = gnome, so :p07:07
toyowheelinawww no tuxracer07:07
cleeepiphany totally sucks.07:07
cleeno 'View source' in the context menus07:07
schweebI was angry when "preferences" was moved back to the "edit" submenu07:08
schweebin firefox07:08
schweebthat's about the only thing that pisses me off about it07:08
fabbioneschweeb: ok.. got the trick thanks :-)07:08
dstthat is where prefrences go..07:08
schweebfabbione: np07:08
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schweebdst: tools!07:08
schweebI go to evo07:09
joemedit prefrences makes sense07:09
schweebwhere are settings07:09
schweebIN TOOLS07:09
joemtools prefrences doesn't07:09
cleeschweeb: dude, evo is non-HIG-compliant07:09
schweebthe edit menu is for text editing07:09
joemit is for editing period07:09
cleeschweeb: every other GNOME app that complies with the HIG uses Edit->Prefs07:09
joemyea evo still uses settings07:09
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schweebstrict HIG compliance is going to drive me insane.07:10
cleeKDE will always love you ;)07:10
joemthere is a bug on it somewhere, but they are going for outlook migration, so they might not care about that07:10
jameshschweeb: why?  Because it makes things internally consistent?07:10
schweebI'm a firm believer in the settings being in the tools menu... if anything, not the edit menu, but the file menu, where you have your printer settings and such07:11
schweebcan argue with me all you want, but I consider edit to be the wrong place07:12
wm_eddieyay mono is working!07:12
cleeschweeb: dude, then take it up with the HIG authors07:12
schweebclee: maybe I will someday07:13
cleeschweeb: as it stands, evolution is being naughty and needs to be spanked07:13
wm_eddiewoo and tomboy is in that server too07:13
wm_eddieclee: that'll only provoke it.07:13
cleewm_eddie: I like it when evo gets all frisky.07:13
schweebI know why the HIG is useful and all... that doesn't mean all of its decisions make sense07:13
joemschweeb: where is the sense in the tools menu07:14
cleeschweeb: of course.07:14
joemwhat does editing prefs have to do with tools07:14
cleeschweeb: however, the point is that all apps should comply with the HIG fully whereever the HIG has something to say07:14
cleeschweeb: And when the HIG is wrong, then the apps will all be consistently wrong07:14
cleeschweeb: Then when the HIG is fixed, all of the apps will become consistently fixed07:14
jameshschweeb: what should an app do if it has no other items to go in the tools menu?07:14
schweebjoem: look at your edit menu, is there anything else in there similar to editing preferences?07:15
joemdepends on the app, in epiphany I have personal data and toolbar07:15
schweebthe configuration applet for a program is a "tool"07:15
joemno it isn't, prefs are something you edit07:16
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schweebI'm done.07:16
joemthough if fire fox is going to be consistant with it, they should move themes to edit as well07:17
joembecuase that is very similar to prefs, and they should be in the same menu07:17
schweebreally, the hig should have called for a new "Preferences" menu or something07:17
schweeband edit should be "Text"07:18
schweebor similar07:18
joemthat just creates more options then needed07:18
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cleewith <App> -> Preferences...07:18
schweebbecause in all pre-HIG apps anywhere... edit was almost exclusively text tools07:18
schweebfind, cut,copy, paste, etc...07:19
joemsome smaller apps don't include/need those options07:20
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cleeschweeb: what you *should* do is join #gnome on irc.gimp.org and bitch at *them* about it07:20
cleethey'd love it07:20
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schweebI'm sure jdub would *love* that after my kernel module argument the other night07:21
lamontmdz: around?07:24
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tvon|x31er, not Xsession in specific, but "X session"07:29
ishis hald really necessary?07:29
tvon|x31I think SuSE does it by default07:29
jdubish: yes.07:29
schweebish: most definitely07:29
jdubtvon|x31: which keychain, which session?07:29
ishok.. just trying to trackdown anything that could be locking my system.07:29
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lamont...the dependencies of xmms proper and libxmms are in Depends:, the07:30
lamont    dependencies of the plugins are in Recommends:. If the package management07:30
lamont    tool of your choice doesn't support some of these dependencies, please do07:30
lamont    not cast blame for that on the xmms package. Direct thy wrath properly ;o)07:30
lamontle huh???07:30
ishwith acpi my latop gets hotter than I think its ever been..07:31
tvon|x31jdub: "keychain" the app, and my GNOME session07:31
tvon|x31jdub: I think SuSE does it by default, and I've set it up before in Gentoo/Fedora..  basically when you login you get a gtk-ssh-askpass, after that your passphrase is stored for ssh sessions07:32
jdubtvon|x31: ssh-agent is running07:33
jdubtvon|x31: add ssh-add to your session, or just run it from a terminal07:33
jdubtvon|x31: if you run it from 'run application...' you get ssh-askpass-gnome :)07:33
jdub(or anywhere that doesn't have a tty)07:33
tvon|x31jdub: well fancy that07:33
tvon|x31jdub: thanks07:34
jdubtvon|x31: a debian default for a very long time :)07:34
bdalelamont: to the best of my knowledge, dselect is still the only front-end to package management that gets the handling of all dependency types right.07:35
schweeb01:34 < jdub> tvon|x31: a debian default for a very long time :)07:35
schweeb01:35 < bdale> lamont: to the best of my knowledge, dselect is still the only07:35
schweeb               front-end to package management that gets the handling of all07:35
schweeb               dependency types right.07:35
schweebstupid mouse losing sync again07:35
lamontbdale: yeah, but if you have binaries in your package, that depend on a shlib, is it _LEGAL_ to make that just a recommends?07:35
tvon|x31jdub: thanks for the info07:35
bdalelamont: since I no longer use xmms, and never used any plugins, I'm not sure I care in this particular case.  [so slap me] 07:36
lamontbdale: I only care because the bug landed in my lap.07:36
bdalelamont: this sounds like anothe problematic example of handling optional functionality07:37
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fabbionehey bdale 07:46
bdaleI hate it when a reboot "cures" a problem.07:50
fabbionedoes anybody have a Matrox P650?07:52
cleehi, bdale 07:54
bdalespurious internal compiler error / seg fault stuff ... non repeatable.  sounds like RAM is failing?08:00
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pisukehi. just installed ubutu08:07
pisukeit rocks08:07
pisukethank you08:07
mike__hey, is there any updated ubuntu livecd?08:07
pisukejust one problem. i need to do some adminstrative tasks. and sudo keeps asking me the root passwd. what's wrong?08:08
pisukei read the wiki and you're suposed to use sudo08:09
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WWIs it possible to install Ubuntu with a 2.4 kernel?08:10
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tvon|x31pisuke: its not asking you for the root password, its asking you for *your* password08:11
ishHow can I start nautilus without creating a window (I'm starting it from .xsession)08:12
pisukethank you tvon08:12
tvon|x31pisuke: no problemo08:12
tvon|x31ish: nautilus -n08:12
pisukehaven't used sudo. it shows08:12
tvon|x31nautilus --no-default-window08:12
tvon|x31pisuke: ;)08:12
ishtvon|x31: it just exits08:12
tvon|x31ish: hrm08:13
ishBut thats what I gather the command is from the manpage.08:13
tvon|x31ish: running 'startx' that only runs 'exec xterm' and running 'nautilus -n' in that xterm....works for me08:17
BrittWW: I'm not sure about the install process ... I haven't worked through custom yet. You should be able to revert to 2.4 via apt after the initial install though (assuming you can get that far. I'm geussing you're having problems based on the nature of the ?).08:19
mdzlamont: here08:20
subterrificanyone else tried running the vnc stuff via the desktop sharing capplet?08:21
subterrificits not running for me, i turn it on and vncserver doesn't run and no additional ports are listening08:21
subterrificfile a bug?08:21
WWBritt: Actually, I haven't had problems, but eventually I need to install MATLAB (a commercial mathematics product). According to there docs, their latest release requires kernel 2.4.x.08:22
Brittsubterrific: what does 'lsof -i | grep vino' report?08:23
BrittWW: you should have no problems then ... 'sudo apt-cache search kernel-image'08:23
subterrificBritt: nothing :(08:23
WWBritt: The MATLAB docs also so they require glibc (glibc6) 2.2.5.  How would I check that?08:24
subterrificif i run vino-server in a term, it seems to work fine08:24
Brittsubterrific: yes I'd guess that's a bug then. I haven't touched vino from cli and it works by default here08:24
Brittmbselv0@lacasa ~ $ lsof -i | grep vino08:25
Brittvino-serv  4947 mbselv0   32u  IPv4  10875       TCP *:5900 (LISTEN)08:25
subterrificBritt: yeah, it worked on my other ubuntu machine08:25
subterrificsucks cause i turned it on here before i went to work, planning on testing it from work08:25
subterrifici got to work and it wasn't running :(08:25
BrittWW: dpkg -i glibc*08:25
plovs_aptitude can not be ran as a user, only using sudo, bug?08:26
Brittsubterrific: i've had bad luck with it sofar here also. LAN connection is VERY slow (unusable) ... and 'vncviewer localhost' explodes08:26
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subterrificBritt: heh, well i ran vncviewer on the same machine as vino-server at work and it was pretty interesting08:27
plovs_are there plans for nxserver/viewer?08:27
subterrificdid this crazy mirroring effect08:27
BrittWW: or if you are looking for info on a package you are going to install, apt-cache show pkgname08:27
WWplovs_: I don't think so.08:27
subterrificplovs_: i heard there are plans to consider it08:27
subterrificplovs_: it might have even been mentioned in the osnews interview08:28
Brittsubterrific: yeah that's what i got as well ... wonder if thats an ubuntu thing08:28
plovs_it is nicer/faster then vnc08:28
subterrificyeah, screen style session management :)08:28
WWplovs_: My previous comment was about your question about aptitude.08:28
Brittbut can it access the active desktop session?08:28
BrittI played with it for a few min the other day and couldn't get it to do that08:28
plovs_Britt, I do not have a root password (that's ok) but when I run aptitude, it will ask me for it08:29
Brittplovs_: it should be asking for your user passwd08:30
Britt(even if it's described incorrectly in aptitude)08:30
WWBritt: Thanks for the pointers.  If I can get MATLAB working, I just might be able to keep this nifty installation.08:31
Brittif that's not the case it's a bug (and if that is the case and it's described incorrectly it's a bug :)08:31
BrittWW: lets hope it works in 2.6!08:31
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BrittWW: otherwise you're gonna be missing out on all Utopia love!08:31
WWBritt: You know, I haven't tried it in 2.6.  That couldn't hurt anything, could it?08:32
BrittWW: definitely not08:32
plovs_Britt, it will ask for my userpasswd if I do: sudo aptitude , it will ask for root password if I install a package from aptitude if I called it without sudo08:33
plovs_Britt, or should I go and have a coffee?08:34
Brittplovs_: the first part is correct ... the second is a bug08:35
phlaegelwhy is that a bug? sudo runs as root, so logically the app should ask for root passwd when called without sudo.08:35
plovs_phlaegel, it is not a debian bug but it is an ubuntu-bug as ubuntu banned root08:36
plovs_phlaegel, and it won't work without root08:36
WWBritt: ??? apt-get install Utopia-love ???08:36
phlaegelthat's why sudo is set up...08:36
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Brittphlaegel: right ... but specific to ubuntu, if run without sudo it should ask for the users password, not root. I'm not sure how this is going to be handled within third party apps like aptitude though08:38
plovs_Britt, is aptitude an ubuntu-native app or did  I pull it in from universe?08:38
BrittWW: Utopia is the project that includes HAL, dbus, and gnome-volume-manager (amongst other things) that make things like usbkey/cd/digi camera autodetection possible08:39
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phlaegelto do that right(ish), apps that need root would have to implicitly call sudo...08:39
BrittWW: they depend on having a 2.6 kernel though08:39
Brittplovs_: I believe it's native, but don't quote me on that.08:40
subterrificphlaegel: you can make a launcher for the app that runs it with gksudo, that is what ubuntu is doing for all of the other apps that need root08:40
plovs_Britt, I'll just file it as a bug and then we'll see (I like filing bugs)08:41
subterrificeverything in the system configuration menu is that way08:41
Brittplovs_: great :)08:42
subterrificphlaegel: synaptic works the same way08:42
phlaegelsubterrific: what about cli? or other apps? I'm not sure there's a clean way to really "fix" it.08:42
subterrificcli apps you run using sudo or run with a root term (sudo -s)08:43
phlaegelgksudo is kind of an illusory fix, imho08:43
subterrifici suppose, but it works08:43
phlaegelyeah, it works fine, I have no problem with it as it is. that's why I'm questioning the bug :-)08:43
subterrificif you're digging around finding apps like aptitude or command line apps, you need to know how sudo works08:44
subterrificif you don't, you're protected08:44
ishtvon|x31: seems to be an incompatibility with -n and --no-desktop..08:45
subterrificphlaegel: you wouldn't want someone to run any random command line app and have it ask them for their user password to gain root access08:45
tvon|x31ish: well, if you want --no-desktop and no window to show up, what do you want to happen?08:45
tvon|x31ish: youre basically asking for nothing to happen08:46
subterrificvery bad things can happen, there is a reason you have a limited number of setuid apps08:46
ishtvon|x31: need it running so when I click on the trash applet, or home..08:46
ishbasically I'm running the panel in FVWM..08:46
tvon|x31ish: ahh, I see08:46
ishand I don't want a nautilus window everytime I login.08:46
tvon|x31ish: you cannot browse trash applet without nautilus running?08:46
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phlaegelsubterrific: irc can be a pain. I'm not sure that either of us are clear on the others' point, or on the bug :-)08:47
tvon|x31eg, it doesnt start nautilus with just a window?08:47
phlaegelsubterrific: I'm only semi paying attention to irc anyway08:47
ishtvon|x31: it will start nautilus..  but then I lose my fvwm menus on the root window :(08:47
ishI'm OK without the panel..  Just thought it was kinda neat.08:47
tvon|x31ish: yeah, I see the problem now08:48
tvon|x31ish: you could set the gconf preferences to keep nautlius from taking the desktop08:48
subterrificphlaegel: i'm pretty sure i get what you're saying, but i don't think you have fully thought out the implications.08:49
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tvon|x31ish: open up gconf-editor and goto apps->nautilus->preferences, and uncheck "show_desktop"08:50
ishtvon|x31: thats perfect.. Thanks.08:51
tvon|x31ish: np :)08:52
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matt2When it says "Waiting for Headers" in apt-get, and it stays for quite some time until proceeding, is this due to my connection with the server? Are there any mirrors?08:53
subterrificmdz: i'll check the kern.log when i get to work tomorrow and update the bug08:54
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plovs_subterrific, I filed the aptitude thing as a minor bug, as you say if you use it you *should* know better, it's more cosmetic08:55
subterrificmdz: i wish i had more details about what was going on, but its pretty tough when the system becomes completely unusable.08:55
mdzsubterrific: I understand; it's equally tough for us, though, when we can't get more information about the problem08:56
subterrificplovs_: its more of a security thing. you would not want to give aptitude suid root08:56
subterrificmdz: yeah, the bug report was more just to let you and other users know that there is indeed a problem. up until the other guy chimed in i figured i was alone in having that issue.08:57
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plovs_subterrific, agreed, the less suid the better, it should probably be wrapped in sudo or something, if you call it without sudo it should automattically use sudo08:58
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plovs_subterrific, whatever, I still think ubuntu is the best debian-incarnaton I have seen :)08:59
tvon|x31Should I be able to run shell scripts by clicking on them in Nautilus in some way?09:01
subterrificplovs_: do you really think wrapping programs in sudo is a good idea? if a user just gets used to running applications and having them ask for a password, it would be trivial to deceive a user09:01
subterrificespecially at a command line level09:02
plovs_subterrific, security is a pain isn't it? Maybe aptitude should just bork if uid<>009:02
WWBritt: MATLAB is running in 2.6.  Hooray for the good guys!09:04
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WWBritt: It printed some font errors, though.09:05
WWDoes this message suggest anything:09:06
WWFont specified in font.properties not found [-*-standard symbols l-medium-r-normal--*-%d-*-*-p-*-adobe-fontspecific]  09:06
plovs_speaking of security, why do I have four ports open 25,11,628,631 ? I am not a mail-server/relayhost.09:07
Treenaksplovs_: scanning from localhost, or remotely?09:08
subterrificthose are all only listening locally09:08
subterrificor should be09:09
plovs_Treenaks, subterrific, an oeps is in order09:09
plovs_I scanned
plovs_but if I scan 192.168... 111 is still open09:11
subterrificnetstat --tcp --listening -p --numeric-ports09:11
subterrificrun that as root09:11
plovs_subterrific, 111 runs on all ports
Treenaksthat's portmap..09:12
subterrificits used to locate what port other services are running on09:13
subterrificfamd requires it09:13
Treenaksinstead of those services using well-known port numbers defined by IANA... aka /etc/services09:13
plovs_yes it was on the mailinglist, fam needs it open, is being worked on, no more questions then09:14
Treenakswhich makes firewalling them _hard_09:14
subterrificyes, there is a replacement for fam to get around that requirement09:14
plovs_that will be in hoary?09:14
subterrificnot sure, i only joined the mailing list today. haven't seen any discussion on it09:15
plovs_it was on sept 1909:15
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ajanyone know where the warty Release.gpg key (0x437D05B5) is?09:16
subterrificplovs_: gamin might be too soon in its dev to make hoary09:16
subterrificjune 2004 was its 0.0.1 release09:17
Treenaksis it possible to enable "Emacs-like" keybindings in Ubuntu? the selector from the "keyboard shortcuts" panel has disappeared09:17
subterrificlooks very promising though09:17
matt2so uh.. I installed xfce4-themes via apt-get and I can't figure out where it installed the themes.. should be /usr/share/themes but it's not, can anyone help?09:18
plovs_subterrific, yes, it would enable selinux stuff in ubuntu 09:19
plovs_matt2, dpkg -L xfce4-themes09:19
matt2plovs_: Oh wow.. is that a search I see?09:22
matt2I'm such a debian n00b09:22
matt2plovs_: can't thank you enough09:22
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plovs_matt2, it list the contents of your installed package09:22
subterrificmatt2: man dpkg    for more fun09:22
plovs_matt2, *very* handy when you lost stuff you just installed :)09:22
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matt2cool, thanks guys.. didn't realize that dpkg was this type of application.. I've only used dpkg -i to install a couple .debs, not thinking about it much09:23
|trey|matt2: Pay peticular notice to "hold"  apt-listbugs and hold make a good combination at times  :)09:23
matt2plovs_: No kidding, thanks for the big pointer09:23
matt2|trey|: I'm afraid I don't quite understand what you mean09:24
|trey|matt2: join #debian-bots and type '!hold'09:25
|trey|The bots ignore you if you are not in an official Debian channel  :/09:26
|trey|#debian is cool too... cept thats not Ubuntu really...09:26
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leex30Is ubuntu designed to easily upgrade from CD when the next release is out?  Would one have to reinstall the system?09:27
Mithrandirleex30: upgrades are supported, yes09:27
jdubleex30: from CD and 'net09:27
|trey|Ubuntu is Debian... but Debian is not Ubuntu, yeah, something like that  :)09:27
|trey|jdub: still keeping busy  8-)09:27
matt2I had no idea....09:28
Treenaksjdub: do you ever sleep?09:28
ajjdub: any idea where the warty Release.gpg key is?09:28
Solkariswhat multimedia support like so far .. IE how hard is it to get DVD and MP3 Playback working09:28
ajjsub: (/misc/daily_signing_key.asc is a different one)09:28
Mithrandiraj! long time no see.09:28
matt2I figured out why my themes didn't install into /usr/share/themes.. haha xfce4-themes is a package of ICON themes.... =P09:28
|trey|aj: blah.... /etc/apt/list.sources tells you...09:28
aji'm trying to upgrade from sarge to warty, i don't have an install yet09:29
|trey|If you know how to read it... man sources.list (I'm high, wrong way around)09:29
ishIs it possible to edit the 'Computer' menu?09:29
|trey|One is wrong at least  :/09:29
jdubaj: hrm, not sure. elmo or lamont would know.09:29
jdubTreenaks: i'm in .au.09:29
jdubaj: upgrades are going to hurt.09:29
|trey|ish: yes... it was configured somehow... I forget where the vfolder is that configures it though...09:30
ajjdub: pfft09:30
ajjdub: my last upgrade stopped me from being able to suspend or switch to VCs without crashing X, how much worse can this be?09:30
|trey|aj: 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted'09:31
Solkarisis there going to be a forum at some point like the GentooForums?09:31
jdubaj: it won't have all the lovely defaults or user experience, or... ;)09:31
|trey|universe at the end is sarges main without dublicates...09:31
ajjdub: err, my prefered desktop is four xterms :)09:31
|trey|jdub: if he chooses "manual package selection" then adds that... it should install your wonderful 2.8  :)09:32
jdubaj: one wonders if there's much of a point ;)09:32
ajtrey: yes, but where do i get the key that signed http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/Release.gpg ?09:32
ajjdub: there's always the hope of ubuntu/dists/warty-security getting populated some day...09:33
|trey|aj: apt 0.6 is not in warty... thus there might not be one... perhaps try hoarty (or however its spelled...)09:33
ajhoary's empty, and Release.gpg's got a signature, and i've got a script for verifying them...09:33
jdubhoary doesn't exist yet :)09:33
|trey|aj: oh... I forget the question then?  :o09:33
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|trey|Did I mention I smoked a bowl like 20 mins ago?09:34
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aj|trey|: i want the pub key to validate the Release.gpg signature09:34
Mithrandiraj: I suggest you poke elmo when he wakes up.09:35
|trey|0.6 is in Experimental... its pretty nice  :)  so is 2.8 (last I checked) ... experimental broke though, so I figured thats a bad idea  :(09:35
ajexperimental broke?09:35
|trey|Ubuntu 2.8 is nicer though... more logical, and closer to how I like it  :)09:35
|trey|aj: [gasp] 09:36
ajas in the packages in experimental broke, or..?09:36
Mithrandiraj: or you could poke Kamion, I think he might know and have access to get the key out.09:36
leex30So I can upgrade from sarge to ubuntu by putting 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted' in /etc/apt/sources.list and running 'apt-get dist-upgrade'?09:36
|trey|aj: it tends to do that if you don't pay attention to b.d.o09:36
ajkamion's same TZ as elmo isn't he?09:36
|trey|aj: even more likely due to less use  :(09:37
fabbioneaj: yes, but they are around at different times usually09:37
ajleex30: the FAQ says to expect mayhem09:37
|trey|kinda got a lot of use outta reportbug though  :)09:37
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Mithrandiraj: correctly, but that doesn't mean they're get up at the same time.09:37
Mithrandiraj: (UK is 0837 atm)09:37
topyli|trey|: well, that's why i have ubuntu now in the first place: experimental 2.8 killed my cat ;)09:37
leex30I'm hoping to get my printer/scanner to work.  That's my real test..09:38
|trey|topyli: When something breaks, I usually try new distro's that I have been meaning to test usually... works out... tryed Fedora for a while... and then went to Debian again before finding Ubuntu... looked like a nice GNOME... so here I am  8-)09:39
topylileex30: ouch. a multi-function device... good luck :)09:39
matt2my printer worked out of the box.. crazy enough09:40
leex30the hp psc1210 worked great for a while.. then it stopped working altogether09:40
matt2though I don't have the correct drivers yet.. it gets the job done for now though09:40
|trey|(mainly the trash applet and the 'computer' menu is why I'm here... I hate icons on my desktop  :(09:40
topyli|trey|: excactly. i upgrade to experimental when in reality i just want to check out the new mandrake or whatever :)09:40
|trey|topyli: blah... I don't like Mandrake  :(09:41
matt2Mandrake is not cool =(09:41
ishI just came from Mandrake - guess I didn't like it enough :)09:41
|trey|usually new Suse and Red Hat (Suse recently cuz of what Novell is doing... mainly so I am familier with what I will see in Enterprises)09:41
matt2ubuntu is the bees knees for sure09:41
ajjdub: (when's planet ubuntu happening anyway? i wanna see elmo blogging)09:42
matt2like gentoo alot too but things tend to break and I hate compile times =(09:42
|trey|Ubuntu's GNOME is... yes... but with GNOME's release manager at the helm, its bound to be pretty good  :)09:42
topylimandrake is great. it saved me from redhat 6. then debian saved me from rpm altogether.09:42
leex30so will every ubuntu release be strictly free software?09:42
Treenakssuse 9.1's gnome sucks09:42
|trey|Debian is the $hit though... best package management around... nice combo  :)09:42
|trey|Fedora's prettiness + Debian's technical aspects = perfection  :)09:43
topylis/perfection/ubuntu =)09:43
|trey|topyli: kinda my point... but thats down the road  8-)09:43
|trey|You can see it starting... but its not quite there yet  :)09:43
matt2anyone know the package name for xfce4 gtk2 themes?09:44
|trey|(like the different look to the boot process [ok]  etc...09:44
|trey|matt2: umm... you're gonna kick yourself...09:44
|trey|apt-get install gtk2-xfce-themes09:44
ishhmm, why did I think ubuntu could not playback mp3s...09:45
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|trey|matt2: apt-cache show xfce4 in the future if you forget  ;)09:45
|trey|ish: because Fedora can't  :(09:45
matt2hahah.. thanks man. I was searching xfce4, that was my problem09:45
|trey|Debian can though  8-)09:45
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fabbionehey pitti09:46
fabbionepitti: is it normal (after your changes) that gpg still bitches about "insecure memory"09:46
pittiMorning fabbione09:46
pittifabbione: ugh, no09:46
|trey|matt2: xfce4 is in universe afaik09:46
pittifabbione: my latest changes remove the suid bit completely09:46
pittifabbione: but you need the latest kernel crack for that09:46
pittifabbione: uname -a?09:47
ishrhythmbox isn't bad either..09:47
fabbionepitti: i will check again09:47
pittifabbione: hmm, this should be correct09:47
matt2it totally is.. I had to saerch xfce NOT xfce4 to see this though09:47
fabbionepitti: probably i installed the kernel and didn't reboot09:47
|trey|ish: Rhythmbox is nice... I kinda wish it was Helix or Mplayer in resticted though...09:47
pittifabbione: gpg does work correctly with this kernel at my box09:47
pittifabbione: you leave your computer on over night?09:48
ishUntil I get tvout working - I have no use for mplayer...09:48
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|trey|pitti: you don't?09:48
ishAnd I have a feeling that won't happen .09:48
|trey|ish: new purpose: cliphunter.com09:48
pitti|trey|: of course not. It wastes energy09:48
|trey|pitti: but you feel a lot better for it  8-)09:49
pitti|trey|: feel better about what?09:49
ishhmm.. I think I can assume firefox won't be getting updated before release..09:49
|trey|Ubuntu should include Garret Lesages "Industrial Theme for Firefox" as seen on www.planetnovell.org09:50
pittifabbione: if you did not reboot, uname -a should print an older version09:50
|trey|It fits in better with the desktop... if he will let you  :)09:50
ish|trey|: is mplayer in universe?09:50
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|trey|ish: no... apt-get.org search "w32codecs"... get the source listing marillat...09:51
WWI have a program (Maple) that is looking for the shared library  libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2.  Am I going to be able to get this working in Ubuntu?09:51
|trey|Christian Marillat rules... such a kind DD  :)09:51
ishHmm.. Thats usually how my RPM distros get borked - 3rd party RPMS.09:51
|trey|ish: Marilatt is a DD... Debian Developer... trustworthy... apt-get.org sources are varified for competence...09:52
Tomcat_I try to get used to compile myself what is missing... I don't like installing other debs...09:52
|trey|mentors.debian.net is a good place for source too...09:53
ish|trey|: thanks for the tip.09:53
|trey|its the only deb-src source repo I use...09:53
Mithrandir|trey|: we're looking at including the mplayer .debs from Marilliat somewhere easy to get to.09:53
ishdoes linux support tvout on any laptops?09:54
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|trey|Mithrandir: should be in Universe... you already state its not supported... not supported = not responsible...09:54
Mithrandir|trey|: yes, that's probably where it'll end up.09:54
|trey|Blackdown java should maybe be considered too imo... 09:54
Mithrandirish: used to support my old IBM thinkpad T21 just fine09:54
|trey|With Suns text of course...09:55
|trey|The user still has to do what Sun wants... and all parties are happy  :)09:55
jdubaj: this week :)09:55
|trey|Ubuntu = perfection with that... but they are things that aren't necissary  :)09:56
ajjdub: sweet09:56
Mithrandir|trey|: we're looking at some way of shipping such software, yes.09:57
fabbionepitti: i can't remember :-)09:57
|trey|Right now... without splash screens... and without Mplayer or Blackdown... its still very very nice  :)09:57
fabbionepitti: it's not like i reboot on a daily base09:57
|trey|even if you recommend sudo  ;)09:57
=== |trey| noticed flash-mozilla already... if that can go in... others shouldn't be too complicated :)
Mithrandir|trey|: warty lacks a bit of polish, but its fundament is very solid, and I'm _very_ happy how far we've gotten so far.09:58
ajits "fundament"?09:59
plovs_despite the name, i think it is on of the most stable beta's i have ever used09:59
|trey|Mithrandir: yes... I noticed where things will be with boot process etc... looked at hoary plans though  :)09:59
topyli|trey|: what's wrong with sudo? it's the best. i haven't been root for ages :)09:59
|trey|aj: raw or base pretty much... thats how you can read it anyway...09:59
|trey|topyli: I dunno... I like thinking I am god  :(10:00
plovs_will ubuntu add something like parallel startup processes to update startup-times?10:00
aj|trey|: "The part of the body on which one sits"10:00
|trey|sudo sounds good for business.. but home use... I am god... I want gods rights  :)10:00
topyli|trey|: you can think your user 'trey' as elevated to demigod status with sudo :)10:01
|trey|aj: I knew that... couldn't word it  :)10:01
|trey|demigod is not god  :(10:01
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|trey|demigods don't live in gods world  :(10:01
|trey|They are posers  8-)10:01
topylidemigods do god business in userland. it's cooler10:01
subterrific|trey|: where do you see flash-mozilla?10:01
|trey|subterrific: in universe...10:02
|trey|goes at the end of the line stating 'deb' in sources.list...10:02
subterrific|trey|: not seeing it...you sure it isn't being pulled in from some other repos you added?10:02
|trey|(all for of them if you did a default install)10:02
plovs_|trey|, i don't have it either10:03
|trey|subterrific: pretty sure  :/10:03
subterrific|trey|: check again10:03
|trey|enless its in Marillats source... or where I get Java...10:03
|trey|subterrific: blah... prolly in the java source...10:03
|trey|I have it though  :(10:03
plovs_|trey|, it's not in Marillats10:03
plovs_|trey|, what java-source do you have?10:04
|trey|plovs_: I think I saw it in there... I think thats why I reminded my self to use the source I did rather then the other Java sources... the one that states "student"...10:04
subterrific|trey|: i see swf-player, is that you're talking about?10:04
|trey|deb http://jopa.studentenweb.org/debian ./10:05
plovs_|trey|, nope ain't there...10:05
|trey|subterrific: nope... sure its flash-mozilla...10:05
WWEasy question: How do I get nautilus (or whatever else is easiest) to burn an iso to CD?  I usually used k3b B.U. (Before Ubuntu).10:05
plovs_WW, right-click - burn to cd10:06
|trey|WW: I use cdrecord... for iso's... (2.6) cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc --speed=24 --data blah.iso... for music... I think its --audio10:07
plovs_WW, if your burner allows it, I checked allow overburning in configuration-editor10:07
subterrificis anyone aware of an application that makes it very easy to encrypt files (with gpg perhaps?). bonus points if it integrates with nautilus10:07
|trey|WW: replace --speed=with about 1/2 of your cdrw's write speed for best results...10:07
Mithrandirsubterrific: seahorse?10:07
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topyliWW: you can of course still use k3b if you want to install all the libraries :)10:08
subterrificMithrandir: thx10:08
Mithrandirsubterrific: I've never used it, but it's the frontend for GPG for GNOME10:08
|trey|Mithrandir: seahourse?10:08
WWplovs_: I did something like that the first time, but it just copied the file to the CD, and didn't create the image.  I'll try again. 10:08
|trey|Mithrandir: nm10:08
plovs_WW, use an rw just in case ;)10:09
|trey|WW: what I said with --data works for iso's... if you want to use cli10:09
topyliWW: that's how i burned my ubuntu cd, so it worked in gnome 2.6 at least :)10:09
WWI'd like to get the hang of this groovy new Gnome GUI.10:10
|trey|(cdrecord dev=device --speed=blah --data some.iso10:10
|trey|I usually end up with an iso on the disc like you... cdrecord does it how I want  :/10:10
topyliwe need a gtk2 version of xcdroast10:11
WWThe right-click trick worked.  I think I screwed up the first time because when I put the blank CD in, an empty window popped up, so I just drag-n-dropped the ISO into it, and wrote to disk.10:12
|trey|never used that either  :/10:12
|trey|I just learned that they all use cdrecord... so I did what the pretty gui made it hard to do  :/10:12
plovs_is it possible to have a shortcut to eject a cd?10:12
topyliand we need "burn playlist to audio cd" in rhythmbox :)10:12
plovs_a shortcut-key that is?10:13
|trey|topyli: can't say as though I play much music files... mainly just listen to shoutcast playlists... I reinstall too much  :/10:14
topyliplovs_: bind "eject" to any key?10:14
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topyli|trey|: put all your oggs to your /home/porn partition :)10:14
topyliand save that over install10:14
subterrifictopyli: or a burn directory/selected files as audio cd in nautilus10:14
joebeastieare you able to restart the xfree configure tool?10:14
|trey|topyli: or set that cdrecord key to ctrl+b(burn)  :)10:14
ajtopyli: /srv/porn would be more FHS :)10:14
topylisubterrific: yes10:14
|trey|topyli: /home/fearl/movies/porn  ;)10:15
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topyli|trey|: there you go. put that on a partition of its own and save all your oggs there as well :)10:15
joebeastieencountered a weird bug. my laptop is defaulting to 640x480.10:15
|trey|topyli: blah... can't ever get p2p software to work  :(10:16
topyliaj: of course! we want our porn to be fhs compliant!10:16
|trey|hence shoutcast...10:16
|trey|ogg = no one owns the file... legal to distribute  :)10:17
topylijust rip cds from the library or something10:17
|trey|Libraries don't carry good hip hop  :(10:17
topyli|trey|: no, they want music that survives more than two weeks ;)10:18
|trey|like about 30?10:18
subterrificwhat is good hip hop these days?10:18
|trey|subterrific: anything with Dre's name on it...10:18
plovs_topyli, thanks10:18
topyliled zeppelin10:19
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|trey|topyli: he said good hip hop... last I heard, led zepplin doesn't qualify as hip hop  :)10:19
topyliyeah but he had two questions: "good" and "hip hop". i could only answer one at a time =)10:20
subterrific|trey|: led zepplin would make pretty good background music for hiphop though. their heavier stuff at least10:20
topylisure. didn't someone use kashmir?10:20
subterrificthat was horrible10:20
subterrificdon't ever bring that up again10:20
topylioh no. will smith! :=10:21
|trey|subterrific: Eminem, G-Unit (entire crew - 50 Cent, Young Buck, Lloyd Banks, Tony Yayo), D12, The Game...10:21
topylino it wasn't. who was it10:21
subterrific|trey|: i think you and i will have to agree to disagree on what good hip hop is10:21
tcurdthi, guys ...don't wanna interupt the music discussion :-) ...but is there a package list for ubuntu?10:21
|trey|subterrific: would sound like ICP, Doomsday Productions, or Kotten Mouth Kings  :)10:21
tcurdtor even searchable? like packages.debian.org10:22
subterrific|trey|: blackalicious?10:22
|trey|subterrific: good = popular.... chill hip hop is Dialated Peoples, Pharcyde... Alkaholics... Jaru...10:22
|trey|blackalicious is ok... Jurasic 5 and The Roots are better :)10:23
|trey|Pretty much anything outta LA... 10:23
topylitcurdt: i haven't seen one :(10:23
subterrificgood is not popular, popular is what sells because its played over and over and over again10:23
|trey|good = sells the most units... at least to most people...10:24
topylisubterrific: what sells is popular, that much is safe to say :)10:24
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|trey|Success is measured by how much you sell... can't be fore everyone though10:25
topyli|trey|: that makes windows 98 better than debian :)10:25
subterrifici'd put blackalicious on the same level as jurassic 5, the roots are amazing as always but i don't hear them doing anything new10:25
|trey|topyli: absolutly nothing... but some would argue for NT though...10:25
topyliit has sold more10:25
subterrific|trey|: so by that measure titanic is the best movie of all time, and the backstreet boys are better than any hiphop artist in existance10:26
|trey|There is evidence XP is the most used Windows OS... followed by 98, then 2000... you have to think of time frame...10:26
topylihmm. is there so much xp already?10:26
|trey|subterrific: to the general public yes... trying to be none-personal...10:26
|trey|I wouldn't chill to it... but its "good"...10:27
rburtonthe, recent Roots sucks imho10:27
topylihmm. will ubuntu be sold in cardboard boxes?10:27
Tomcat_topyli: I can't look around my friends without seeing XP everywhere...10:27
|trey|One decent hit... rest of the CD isn't that  great...10:27
|trey|the track they released was catchy...10:28
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topyliTomcat_: dunno, i see most windows at work and they have mostly win2k.10:28
=== daniels props Drum & Bass Arena.
|trey|Never heard of him?  :(10:28
|trey|D&B is cool too... listen to a lot of Techno... some Metal... mostly Rap though  :)10:28
jordirburton: hey I discovered meld does SVN while going over a Catalan translation.10:29
daniels|trey|: DJ Format is some pretty good chilled rap10:29
rburtonjordi: it does?10:29
jordirburton: dude the package description should tell us about it a bit more prominently10:29
rburtonrburton: man i suck :)10:29
jordirburton: yeh10:29
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jordirburton: it's pretty cool. My coworkers liked it and quickly dumped rapidsvn.10:30
subterrific|trey|, rburton: have you heard madvillain?10:30
rburtonhm, nope10:30
subterrificpretty good recent hip hop10:30
|trey|subterrific: no  :(10:30
rburtonjordi: sweet10:30
|trey|subterrific: not really been keeping up with underground.. no time  :(10:31
|trey|Most of what I hear is in clubs, or on Audio1.net...10:31
subterrific|trey|: i think if any of those bands you named were backed by as much publicity as pop music, they would reach the same level of popularity. outkast proved that10:31
|trey|subterrific: each of the artists I named have been at #1 in the last year...10:32
|trey|Like I said, based on my Criterion... anything that goes through Dre is gold right now...10:32
subterrific|trey|: i mean blackalicious, j5, etc...10:32
|trey|Actually... at least Platinum...10:32
Tomcat_topyli: I have a totally trashy and old Laptop... but while 90% of students run WinXP, I run Debian... so nobody says anything about the machine :D10:33
subterrificthats because he is backed by major label money, he's got their blessing10:33
topylithe Dre industry10:33
|trey|subterrific: oh... definatly j5... don't really like blackalicious... same mould as (some afrikan name)10:33
subterrificthere are 4 record labels that control what is popular, you can't argue that10:33
topyliTomcat_: the debian disguise for a crappy machine =)10:33
subterrificsony, emi, umg, wmg10:34
|trey|Brand Nubian10:34
Tomcat_A friend gave me a noname network card as a present for the laptop... Windows refused to run it with *any* driver, because none was perfectly matching...10:35
|trey|ahh... that doesn't sound african... don't think thats what I was thinking  :(10:35
Tomcat_Installed Debian... "Hey no problem it's RTL8139 anyway, there you go!"10:35
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|trey|Tomcat_: the joys of having the drivers around all the time  :)10:36
xealousdoes anyone have the sources for the amd64 version of ubuntu? (i'm using debian's amd64 port currently)10:36
topyliTomcat_: we have about 50 researches with desktops and laptops. about a dozen have mac, and about five have linux. these people need no support at all. the rest are win2k and they keep the support guys busy. the machines are of course all the same harware :)10:36
|trey|XP driver support pails in comparison today...10:36
Tomcat_lol :] 10:37
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|trey|Not to mention Linux supports about 10 more archs... so yeah, you get the idea  :)10:37
subterrific|trey|: yeah, win xp has no wireless lan support....oh wait10:38
|trey|subterrific: blah... my Ubuntu is wireless  :/10:38
Treenakstopyli: the same hardware for mac and XP? :)10:38
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Treenakstopyli: so is mine..10:38
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|trey|Treenaks: you can... technically... in some cases... especially PCI...10:39
topyliTreenaks: uhhh... not the macs :)10:39
|trey|And also Firewire...10:40
|trey|topyli: blah... PCI is the same on most archs... not sure if linux supports PCI-X or whatever../10:40
Treenakstopyli: well, the cpu tends to be quite different ;) but I understand..10:40
topylithe macs are great. there's only one user who needs constant support, but that's just one of the professors breaking ms office all the time :)10:41
|trey|Treenaks: exactly... everything else is the same for the most part  :)10:41
|trey|topyli: Macs rule... I just wish I could afford one  :/10:41
|trey|Even an eMac would do my just fine  :/10:42
topylii do like the laptops.10:42
TreenaksI'm saving money for a new laptop.. but it probably isn't going to be a mac10:42
|trey|My school has G5's, I wanna play  :(10:42
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topyliput debian on them at night!10:43
Mithrandirmacs have too few mouse buttons. ;)10:43
|trey|topyli: I'm waiting for what they come up with for the G5...10:43
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Lowewhy the hell does all linux users like mac's i personally think macs suck10:43
|trey|topyli: via Fink of course...10:43
|trey|Lowe: what sucks about them?10:44
TerminXLowe: I think a lot of Linux users are of the "anything but Microsoft" mindset10:44
rburtonLowe: mainly good design and good hardware10:44
subterrific|trey|: as a mac user since 87, i think i can safely say, you aren't missing much10:44
topylimacs work. the cheap pc hardware i'm always byuing is what sucks10:44
TerminXI too think Apple sucks10:44
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topyliso its a hardware thing10:44
TerminXOverpriced, undercompatible shit IMO10:44
|trey|subterrific: I just wanna play  :/  GNOME still isn't has Human as Mac OS X today...10:44
Treenaks|trey|: but it's getting there10:45
|trey|They will openly admit that... although they are on the way...10:45
Lowewell i used them at school and it was the worst experience ever (this of course was 2 years ago)10:45
subterrific|trey|: i dunno, i think gnome 2.8 is really close and actually better in many places10:45
|trey|Treenaks: exactly...10:45
topyliOSX looks like a toy though. i'd put X and gnome there at once :)10:46
|trey|subterrific: Volume Management is a good improvement...10:46
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Tomcat_I like OS X...10:46
subterrificgnome does a much better job of keeping consistent across all applications, visually at least10:46
|trey|The OpenNet or whatever will be great when I figure out how to use it  :/10:46
subterrificapple has this weird thing going where they can't decide why the hell they came up with brushed metal10:47
|trey|subterrific: I certainly couldn't tell them  :/10:47
subterrificfirst it was only for apps that mimic real world devices10:47
topyli|trey|: if you put in a cdrw with stuff on it, the volume manager mounts it. then nautilus cd burner gets confused. you have to umount from the command line because nautilus can only "eject" it, not "umount" :(10:47
subterrificthen they make safari brushed metal10:47
|trey|It's Carbon vs Cocoa though...10:47
subterrificand then the finder10:47
subterrificand now i've totally lost them...10:48
subterrifici think the mac platform has far fewer good developers too10:48
subterrificapple has done just about everything they can to push developers away over the years10:49
|trey|Developers.a.c... Cocoa and Carbon... look them up... Carbon is older shit updated for OS X basically... but they have different themes...10:49
subterrificits gotten to the point that the few good ones left are just traded around by apple, adobe, macromedia (although their mac apps have taken a nose dive recently)10:49
|trey|Guess a few people still like Carbon...10:50
subterrificyou have to use carbon still for many things10:50
|trey|subterrific: apple started competing with adobe, and to some extent macromedia though... thats why...10:50
subterrificdriving developers away10:51
subterrificthey even compete with small shareware developers10:51
|trey|The products basically aren't needed, because these are things Apple already installs....10:51
|trey|Or offers...10:51
|trey|Joe User won't go past Apple.com if what he wants is listed there... he obviously doesn't care about money...10:51
|trey|Things like Microsoft Office... and Micrsoft Virtual PC - Windows XP...10:53
|trey|Thats why they are popular...10:53
|trey|You can also use basically the entire Open Source software relm, and work on Darwin though... and plenty of Open Source projects are being used...10:54
|trey|Hardly pushing devs away... Jordan Hubbard didn't appear to think so at least...10:55
|trey|Co Founder of FreeBSD...10:55
|trey|He appeared to think they were an attractive oppertunity for a developer... X11 for OSX... its all there for Open Source software... and Fink is Debian's package management... Gentoo's Portage can be used...10:56
tcurdtto be honest: it's less the GUI that drives people to use OSX (btw: I like it) ...it's the easy installation and the software that's available10:57
Loweholy crap how many upgrades are there lol, does ubuntu have new ones every day.10:57
subterrific|trey|: try using some open source software on darwin or OS X, its way behind linux10:57
|trey|Lowe: the Release Preview would be expected to perhaps....yes...10:57
subterrificfor exmaple, Fink is now shipping gnome 2.4....wooo!10:57
tcurdtas for the installation we are slowly getting there10:57
|trey|subterrific: I actually have ran Darwin on X86... its not too bad actually... although its not Linux  :/10:58
Lowewell it's nice to have a distro that's kept uptodate10:58
|trey|Lowe: meet apt  :)10:58
subterrificone of the biggest reasons i left the mac is because i wanted open source software and good package management. gentoo wasn't available on the mac at the time.10:59
Loweyou know mandrakes urpmi, i could swear that was only updated monthly10:59
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|trey|Gentoo is now available and working with DarwinPorts and Fink to provide packages for OSX...11:00
subterrificthe mac is just not a very good development platform, you depend on apple for their customized gcc which is probably the buggiest gcc i've ever used11:00
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Lowe< is to scared to try gentoo11:00
|trey|metapkg I think is that in writting...11:00
subterrificand their gdb crashes so much it should be able to debug itself11:00
|trey|Lowe: on my lowly 933 Duron... it isn't really logical... sure they run faster... but not when you're compiling something  :/11:01
|trey|Even with 512mb ram...11:01
Mayday_is it just me or isnt the nntp protocoll working in evolution?11:01
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LoweI only have 256mb ram :(11:02
|trey|[nana] 11:02
|trey|Still not cool on 933 Duron though  :/  pos processor  :|11:02
|trey|Not a machine made for compiling  :/11:03
|trey|I need to get a simular Athlon at least  :/11:03
|trey|It has to be AMD though  :(11:03
LoweI have an athlon xp 2000+ but every os i use thinks it's a 1250+11:04
|trey|That sucks... use kernel-image-2.6-k711:04
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|trey|type exactly that... then 2.6.9 will get upgraded when its uploaded...11:05
jonohi all11:05
Loweactually i think it's something in my bios11:05
Lowesince win xp thinks the same11:05
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|trey|Lowe: NTKRNL.DLL is i386...11:06
|trey|NT's kernel is not k711:06
Loweno but you see at one time it did recognize it as a 2000+11:07
|trey|Then you got lucky  :/11:07
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Loweall these upgrades are fun11:07
|trey|Lowe: all those upgrades are done  8-)11:07
Lowewhat you have everything up to date lol11:08
|trey|It rhymed  :/11:08
|trey|And yes  :)11:08
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jonohey punkass11:11
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danielsjono: yo11:15
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jonodaniels, heya man11:18
jonodaniels, hows it going?11:18
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danielsjono: not too bad, you?11:18
jonodaniels, good, just figuring out why my sound is not working in ubuntu11:19
subterrificjono: what machine and sound card?11:20
jonoit says, your oss device could not be probed correctly - it seems the kernel modules are loaded though11:20
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jonosubterrific, i386, M-Audio Delta 4411:20
jonoany idea ?11:20
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subterrificjono: well for one thing, you want ALSA, not OSS11:22
subterrificand i'm pretty sure that card is supported by ALSA11:23
jonosubterrific, it is supported by ALSA, how do I switch to it?11:23
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joebeastieok. after a bit of work getting X working I am now logging in to my fresh ubuntu system :)11:24
subterrificwell what does lsmod | grep ice say?11:25
jonosubterrific, I will paste in #jonoflood11:26
subterrificjono: use http://paste.plone.org/11:27
jonosubterrific, http://paste.plone.org/146811:27
subterrificjono: so you're all set at the kernel level11:27
subterrificmy guess is that you've got the volume all at 0 ;)11:28
subterrificthats the ALSA default11:28
subterrificso you probably need to run a mixer and unmute some channels and turn the volume up11:28
subterrificyou can try Applications->Multimedia->Volume Control and switch to the tab labeled [ALSA Mixer] 11:29
subterrificbut this http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=1040 suggests that you install some app named envy24control. so try that if alsamixer doesn't work11:30
jonosubterrific, ok, I adjusted all of them - unlocked and unmuted them all and the same problem - do I need to restart NGOME?11:30
subterrificshouldn't, what are you using to play audio?11:31
subterrificok, quit totem and then run gstreamer-properties11:31
subterrificswitch everything to use ALSA11:32
subterrificthen restart totem11:32
subterrificjono: what kind of audio recording are you doing with that card?11:33
subterrificif you don't mind me asking11:33
jonosubterrific, ahhh works now :) I will ammend my bug report11:33
jonosubterrific, I have a home studio :)11:34
joebeastieomg. this ubuntu rocks the socks of a fox11:34
jonosubterrific, thanks dude :)11:34
subterrificjono: same here, i've got a CardDeluxe though. haven't tried it under linux yet though, i don't think ALSA supports it11:34
subterrifici usually go to my buddy's place, he's got a mac with protools and a control24 board. its a pretty insane setup for a home studio11:35
jonosubterrific, cool - I normally boot to windows and use Cubase SX 2.0, but I am going to investigate Linux based stuff11:36
jonosubterrific, some of my recordings are on www.jonobacon.org/music/11:36
subterrificjono: well let me know how it goes, i'm really interested in Linux audio too11:36
joebeastiejono what soung are you into?11:36
joebeastiesound rather11:36
jonocheck out Fragile11:36
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jonojoebeastie, I am actually into really heavy death/thrash metal, and I am in a band called Seraphidian (www.seraphidian.com), but I also do other styles11:37
xsadhi to all11:37
jameshIf anyone has run into this issue, please add a comment on the bug: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=158711:37
jonomy music page has some old songs I recorded ages ago11:37
xsaddoes anyone tried to install ubuntu on a powerbook g4?11:37
Tomcat_omg... RMS is in town. :o11:38
jameshif you see an icon of the wrong size in the recently used documents menu on the panel11:38
jameshadd a comment about the file type and icon theme in use11:38
joebeastieTomcat_ : should ask him for so vi tips11:38
Tomcat_lol :)11:38
joebeastietell him you where going to try emacs but you heard it sucks11:38
jonoxsad, I have it on a g4 powerbook11:39
xsadi have problems with the keyboard......11:39
xsadit doesn't recognize keys like @11:40
Tomcat_Unfortunately I'm away when he speaks. :o11:40
subterrificjono: sounds good, good production11:40
Treenaksdon't forget to tell him you use Linux11:40
Treenaks(without the gnu/)11:40
jonosubterrific, cheers :)11:40
jonosubterrific, just done in my bedroom11:40
subterrificjono: i'm pretty amatuer http://subterrific.net/~jason/blacktape.mp311:41
jonosubterrific, check out Presence too - I was really pleased with that11:41
topylijoebeastie: i'm sure rms does have a tip or two for vi users :)11:41
subterrifici never manage to make it to the stage of actually correctly mixing the tracks. i just end up with up with a bunch of half finished tracks of first takes and drum loops11:42
jonosubterrific, mixing is my fave bit - I just need better mic's11:42
jonosubterrific, sounds good :)11:44
jonosubterrific, the key is not adding more, but taking out more11:44
subterrifici wish i could get into it, but i just enjoy playing. its more of a hobby11:44
jonoahhh right11:44
jonojees I havent heard Fragile for ages11:45
subterrificjono: oh definitely, thats the problem with that blacktape track for instance, you can't hear half the tracks because they're all there all the time at the same level11:46
jonoI havent heard Presence for ages either hehe11:50
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jonoanyone know if lame is packaged for ubuntu?11:55
subterrificjono: it isn't11:55
subterrificbut its packaged for debian11:56
jonoI need an MP3 encoder that sound juicer can use11:56
jonoif I install lame for debian, will it work though?11:56
jonowhere are the lame packages?11:56
jonosurely unofficial packages will break ubuntu when I upgrade to the next release?11:58
Treenaksjono: they might11:59
jonoI assume I just uninstall the package then11:59
jonoand it would work11:59
subterrificjono: just try to keep it to a minimum11:59
subterrificplus, lame will probably never be packaged officially by ubuntu11:59
TreenaksI only installed libdvdcss from there..  oh and the w32codecs11:59
jonoahhh cool, no dependencies needed12:00
subterrificjono: that repos is pretty strictly stuff that can't ever be official12:00
jonoI need sound juicer to have an mp3 encoder, so I installed lame and now it says gstreamer doesnt work12:01
subterrificcopyright issues, yay america land of freedom12:01
jonocould not create gstreamer encoder12:01
Loweadd this to get all that audio stuff http://www.rarewares.org/debian/packages/unstable/ ./12:01
Treenaksjono: encode to ogg then..12:01
jonoTreenaks, I need to encode to MP3 - for my iRiver database to work12:01
jonohow can I make gstreamer do this?12:01
Treenaksjono: you'll probably need a re-compiled gstreamer12:01
Treenakswhich tends to be Hard12:02
subterrificuhh no12:02
subterrificgstreamer is plugin based12:02
Treenakssubterrific: yes, but you'll need the gstreamer plugin then12:02
jonoI am getting gstreamer-plugins12:02
|trey|subterrific: Ubuntu should install gstreamer0.8-plugins-ffmpeg by default...12:04
subterrific|trey|: it can't12:05
|trey|Especially if they will be sticking with totem-gstreamer...12:05
Treenakssubterrific: why not? ffmpeg itself is free..12:05
|trey|totem-gstreamer is useless without codecs...12:05
subterrific|trey|: ffmpeg violates US copyright law, wooo go USA!12:05
Treenakssubterrific: it does? how?12:05
subterrificit includes an mp3 encoder for one12:06
|trey|subterrific: put the server in a devs house in Mexico or something  :/12:06
|trey|Heck, even canada for the most part...12:06
jonoI am using ripperx that steps over the gstreamer bullshit12:06
|trey|jono: gstreamer bullshit? gstreamer is THE shit... if you use everything they worked on...12:07
subterrificjono: just fyi: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/07/msg01833.html12:07
|trey|subterrific: only thing to note... thats not 0.8  :/12:07
subterrific|trey|: work on those reading skills12:08
|trey|Thats 0.6 or something...12:08
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|trey|subterrific: package says gstreamer-mad...12:08
|trey|thats 0.612:08
|trey|gstreamer0.8-mad would be newest though...12:08
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|trey|apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins-misc with universe enabled... should be there... else sarge...12:09
subterrificthat email doesn't mention gstreamer-mad at all, its about gstreamer-lame12:09
subterrificyou need sleep or something12:09
subterrificand it gives instructions for gstreamer 0.6 and 0.812:10
|trey|1. fetch a gstreamer-lame RPM. I got mine from --- first line of what that guy wrote...12:10
subterrific"or v0.8 for12:10
subterrific   sound-juicer v0.5.12+. I used a PLD package"12:10
subterrificsame line12:10
subterrificand if you go to the url http://henrik.synth.no/deb/12:11
|trey|4 lines later  :/12:11
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|trey|so it recommends 0.6 OR 0.8.. oh, I see...12:11
|trey|subterrific: thankyou  :)12:11
|trey|gstreamer0.8-plugins-misc depends that  :)12:11
subterrifici've never used alien though, so no idea how well it works12:12
subterrificrpm->deb seems kind of sketchy12:12
|trey|subterrific: he posted a deb...12:12
subterrificwhich was created from the rpm using alien12:12
subterrificread the email12:12
|trey|subterrific: works for me... none failed atleast... and worked when I installed them...12:12
subterrifici'm going to sleep12:12
|trey|alien --to-deb some.rpm  :/12:13
Loweanyone know an easier way to mount filesystems? (gui or something)12:14
|trey|http://tigert.gimp.org/log/files/uploads/gnome-notification-rss-distractor_v2.png  LOOK, JDUB... I WANT THIS FEATURE  :)12:14
|trey|Lowe: not mount though?12:15
|trey|mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /windows (after creating windows)12:16
Lowei want to mount an ext3 partiton12:16
Lowebut i don't know what hda(number) it is12:16
|trey|mount -t ext3 /dev/hda5 /some/where/here12:16
subterrificLowe: is it removable media?12:17
Loweit has my pr0n on it lol12:17
|trey|Lowe: why no entry in /etc/fstab for it? 12:17
|trey|then it comes up every time (no pun intended)12:17
Loweall mines says is12:18
|trey|you could try mounting them all, and see which one has your pron  :/12:18
Loweproc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       012:18
Lowe/dev/hda3       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       112:18
Lowe/dev/hda6       none            swap    sw              0       012:18
Lowe/dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       012:18
Lowe/dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       012:18
|trey|yeah, you will need a new entry enless you don't mind typing a command all the time  :/12:19
|trey|Well... after every reboot... so about twice a year here...12:19
Lowemy windows partiton isn't in there either, should it be?12:19
TreenaksLowe: only if you want to mount it12:19
|trey|Lowe: if you want it to be mounted at boot... sure...12:19
Lowei do because it has my music on it12:19
|trey|Lowe: win98 or nt?12:20
Lowe(only reason why i still have windows) 12:20
|trey|like I said then... mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /windows12:20
Loweyeah i did that in the command line earlier but it's not in my fstab12:21
|trey|windows is first partion on primary master ide cable, thus /dev/hda112:21
|trey|(it has to be to use grub)12:21
|trey|well, no, but its easier in that order  :/12:22
Lowewhen i type mount i get /dev/hda1 on /mnt type ntfs (rw,uid=1000,gid=1000,utf8)12:22
Lowedo i paste that in my fstab?12:22
|trey|Then its already mounted apparently....12:22
Loweyes i know it is, but so it mounts when i reboot12:22
|trey|no.... follow the same syntax... man fstab12:22
petemcLowe: dont use that to mount ntfs12:23
|trey|petemc: high  :)12:23
petemcits not rw, for one thing12:23
petemchey |trey| 12:23
|trey|petemc: just enter that in fstab (ro)12:23
petemcLowe: umask=022 is the only option you should need12:23
|trey|petemc: its already mounted now  :(12:23
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Lowei couldn't acces my files as a normal user so i added the rest of that crap12:24
|trey|petemc: or like that  :)12:24
Loweand i need utf812:24
petemcok, so add that12:24
Loweother wise i won't see my japanese files12:24
|trey|Lowe: dpkg-reconfigure locales12:24
|trey|select (for instance) US_en_UTF-812:25
|trey|(uhh... or us_EN_UTF-8... I'm not perfect)12:25
Loweuhm maybe later, anyway how do i mount my other partitons?12:25
|trey|Same thing... only -t ext312:26
Lowei don't know what one has my stuff on it ><12:26
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|trey|like I said though... if you don't know the device file... its gonna be tedious...12:26
Lowegrr that's why you need a gui for this kind of crap12:26
|trey|Mount them all... one has it... hdaX probably... enless you have 2 hd's  :/12:26
petemcfdisk -l12:27
|trey|petemc: no mount point selected... only fs... he would need to guess by size... narrows it down I suppose  :)12:27
Lowe/dev/hda1   *           1       50475    25438896    7  HPFS/NTFS12:29
Lowe/dev/hda2           50476       66653     8153712    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)12:29
Lowe/dev/hda3           66654       79780     6616008   83  Linux12:29
Lowe/dev/hda5           50476       66014     7831183+  83  Linux12:29
Lowe/dev/hda6           66015       66653      322024+  82  Linux swap12:29
|trey|Looks to me like /dev/hda2, which would make sense...12:30
Loweok so what do i type 12:31
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|trey|petemc: decided you like Jdub's Gnome too?  8-)12:32
petemctrying gnome2.8 was probably the main reason i installed ubuntu, yeah12:34
petemcLowe: mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/win -o umask=02212:34
Lowebut that's already mounted, im trying to mount my other partiton12:34
|trey|petemc: I'm liking Computers and trashapplet  :)  ... usually no icons anyway... tedious to access when you're doing something else...12:35
Lowei found my old fstab the partion i had mounted on mandrake was12:36
|trey|+firefox and industrial = pretty much what I use anyway  :)12:36
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Lowedev/hda5 /home/lowe/Stored ext3 umask=0,nls=utf-8 0 012:36
|trey|Lowe: Stored needs to be created to use it... also /dev/hda5...12:36
Loweuhm just tell me what to put in my fstab12:38
LoweAnd i will reboot12:38
|trey|Also, it would appear your user account for ubuntu is Lowe, not lowe12:39
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|trey|what petemc said  :)12:39
Loweyeah but that was my old fstab (ie when i had mandrake, it was on a floppy just incase you were wondering)12:39
|trey|Lowe: petemc = smart... listen to him, not I  :)12:39
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|trey|Or me... and Mandrake  blah... I hate mandrake, but it should be the same  :/12:40
Lowemandrake sucks lol 12:40
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|trey|The 'easy installer' takes too long... and there is too much emphasis on Mandrake Club... even in the Community Edition...12:41
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|trey|Pretty is ok... but there is NO reason to make it assume you're a moron :/12:42
LoweI got banned from the mandrake forums for saying the club is for homo's lol12:42
petemcLowe: in fstab, /dev/hdaN /mnt/point    ext3  defaults    0   212:42
housetierI'd ban you for much less, Lowe12:42
|trey|Of course, I fully support replacing options for... nothing... then it takes less time  :)12:43
Lowe /dev/hdaN <why N if it's 512:43
petemcreplace N with the partition number you want mounted12:43
|trey|Especially when its so simular to what I would set my box up with anyway  :)12:44
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Lowepetemc shouldn't i copy the same options as / or is that a bad idea12:45
petemcdefaults should be fine12:45
|trey|Although... despite it being justifiable in business... I wouldn't have included lsb related packages... namely rpm and alien... not needed...12:45
Lowewill that display utf9 fine?12:45
|trey|Lowe: if you reconfigure locales... sure...12:45
petemcif you have the correct locales set up it should12:45
|trey|gdebconf might make it easier... not used it yet though... IT SHOULD BE THOUGHT ABOUT THOUGH12:46
Lowebut my current / shows japanese files fine12:46
Loweand i didn't mess with any locales12:46
|trey|Lowe: but that doesn't mean its UTF-8  :/12:47
Lowewhat do i do to make sure it is?12:48
|trey|You need to enable it.... dpkg-reconfigure locales... select the one that looks like the one selected... but ends with UTF-812:48
|trey|The one selected will be under J... not very original I know  :)12:49
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mojoyay! new updates from Ubuntu - new XFree86 fixes - yay!12:49
|trey|Lowe: dpkg-reconfigure basically re-performs post-inst scripts... the configuration part of installing a package...12:50
Loween_GB.UTF-8 UTF-8 will that one do?12:50
|trey|Thats not japenese... but if you're in England, that will be right  :)12:50
LoweIm in scotland but ok12:51
|trey|Locales is also language etc... so things will be spelled "colour" instead of "color" for instance  :)12:51
Lowei think it picked the wrong one12:51
LoweGenerating locales...12:51
Lowe  en_GB.ISO-8859-1... done12:51
LoweGeneration complete.12:51
|trey|Umm... yeah... the UTF-8 one is supposed to be listed  :/   12:52
topylithe whole locale business is annoying.12:52
Lowebut i did pick utf-812:52
Loweis it yet another bug?12:53
|trey|Or ID 10 T error  :/12:53
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|trey|Do it with roots environment...12:54
|trey|sudo root passwd && su12:54
Loweok it works now12:54
cef|trey|: ID 10 T error is too well known now.. as is Pebkac.. so at work we now use RUAPAK12:54
cef|trey|: Replace User And Press Any Key12:54
|trey|cef: whats that?12:55
Loweright now to add the NTFS partiton to my fstab12:55
Loweand i will be done12:55
|trey|cef: hahahha  :)12:55
|trey|rew ah pak?12:55
cefthat'd do it12:55
|trey|Lowe: same thing... only now its ntfs, not ext3  :/12:56
|trey|I could just do it for you?12:56
Lowewill i type ntfs in caps?12:57
TreenaksLowe: no12:57
|trey|uhh... no12:57
|trey|thats why I typed it in lower case earlier  :/12:57
Lowewill i use defualts again for options?12:58
|trey|Lowe: fstab or file system table just handles mount for you basically... at boot...12:58
Loweso it doesn't matter what i put for options really?12:59
|trey|The table that points software at hardware...12:59
|trey|Lowe: umm, they have to be valid... man fstab01:00
|trey|I don't like repeating myself...01:00
housetierthen don't01:00
|trey|housetier: it was the answer though  :/01:00
Lowemy options in mandrake were umask=0,iocharset=utf8,ro01:01
|trey|ok... and those are some of many  :/01:01
|trey|3 of about 10 or so  :/01:02
|trey|for that section...01:02
Lowebut what should i put :(01:02
|trey|The man page has all the answers I can't be asked to answer, honest...01:02
|trey|Even some that I have answered... but I expected you to be reading  :/01:03
Lowereading is boring01:03
|trey|Great attitude.01:03
|trey|I'm going to stop wasting my time now.01:04
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daldermanmoring guys and gals01:04
daldermanI'm back with more problems :-)01:04
|trey|dalderman: shoot  :)01:04
housetierhooray dalderman 01:04
daldermanWhen I run totem I get an error and it quits01:04
dalderman"An error occured. Resource busy or not available"01:04
|trey|dalderman: umm, what does the error say?01:05
|trey|Umm... lsof /dev/dsp.01:05
daldermanI am using esd and system sounds, which are working ok01:05
daldermanscutter:~# lsof /dev/dsp01:05
daldermanesd     4399  dan    5w   CHR   14,3      6637 /dev/dsp01:05
mojoexuse me every1, I installed nvidia-glx, now I wonder does this include the GTK2 GUI Config Program?01:06
|trey|ok... gstreamer0.8-esd installed? dpkg -l | grep it01:06
Lowei will just guess lol if it fucks up it fucks up brb01:06
|trey|Worst case scenario "it's not mounted" "here's the error"....01:06
|trey|Else I get to kill... deal?  8-)01:07
dalderman|trey|, nope, not there, I shall install01:07
daldermancould this be a borked dependancy then?01:07
|trey|dalderman: apt-get install gstreamer-plugins-misc01:07
|trey|dalderman: umm, no... bad package selection perhaps...01:08
daldermanI don't have a package called that01:08
daldermanI have gstreamer-plugins01:08
|trey|dalderman: Sarge has them...01:08
|trey|dalderman: apt-cache show that and see if it mentions esd at all01:08
|trey|ctrl + page up /page down = scroll01:09
daldermanscutter:/home/dan# apt-cache show gstreamer-plugins-misc01:09
daldermanW: Unable to locate package gstreamer-plugins-misc01:09
daldermanI need to add to my sources.list then01:09
|trey|ahhh... plugins...01:09
|trey|dalderman: its not recommended that you use "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free" though...01:10
daldermanI have universe in there, but I guess that's different right?01:11
|trey|However you can set priority...01:11
|trey|thats only main, not contrib or non-free01:11
daldermanhow do I do dat den?01:11
|trey|I suppose with universe, you could could just not use main from Debian...01:11
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dalderman|trey|, forgive me, I am a little lost with what I should do01:13
dalderman|trey|, I'm a bit of  Debian newbie still01:13
dalderman|trey|, RedHat convert01:14
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werewolfHi all, I just re-installed on my machine win 2000 and ubuntu, GRUB for loader, but win doesn't start, any hints?01:14
beezlywerewolf: what happens when you try to start windows?01:14
|trey|dalderman: apt is god... debconf is your best friend... dpkg does what its told...01:14
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werewolfbeezly: nothig, I see only the grub command01:15
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LoweI did it :D01:16
Loweit works fine now01:16
beezlywerewolf: and what does it say?01:16
|trey|werewolf: that would be bad..01:16
dalderman|trey|, so what do I add to sources.list to get the plugins-misc package from Sarge?01:16
|trey|You type what I said  :/01:16
|trey|Scroll up01:16
dalderman|trey|, the line about not reccomended?01:17
LoweAlthough i had a very slow boot up, i forgot to copy down the error01:17
|trey|dalderman: you ever do apt-cache show gstreamer0.8-plugins and look for esd?01:17
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|trey|Lowe: not slow if you time it... back scrolling just makes it seem longer  ;)01:18
werewolf2beezly, title           Windows NT/2000/XP01:18
werewolf2rootnoverify    (hd0,0)01:18
werewolf2chainloader     +101:18
|trey|Hit the reset key, and find a better howto...01:18
dalderman|trey|, it's in the depends list for that package01:19
|trey|Fedora was having problems though with dual booting, so perhaps its something with grub right now...01:19
|trey|dalderman: DAMN YOU!!!!01:19
|trey|dalderman: grr... INSTALL THAT THEN!!! (gstreamer0.8-plugins)01:19
dalderman|trey|, I have01:20
|trey|-misc is a few more.. but its more...01:20
dalderman|trey|, same problem01:20
|trey|ok... then it should work  :/01:20
dalderman|trey|, nope01:20
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dalderman|trey|, and no need to shout01:20
dalderman|trey|, I'm trying my best01:20
|trey|COmpter >> Desktop Preferences >> Sound >> Start Sound Server01:20
dalderman|trey|, is already running01:21
|trey|logout and back in...01:21
dalderman|trey|, ok01:21
|trey|Wait.... ps -e | grep esd01:21
|trey|If its running /etc/init.d/esd restart01:22
dalderman|trey|, ok01:22
dalderman|trey|, there is no esd service in there01:22
|trey|ok... then you need to log out  :/01:23
dalderman|trey|, kill -HUP instead?01:23
Lowetrey i know it was to good to be true lol, only root can modify the files :(01:23
|trey|umm... actually just do what I said anyway  :/01:23
dalderman|trey|, brb01:23
|trey|esd lets you have more then one sound process...01:23
|trey|gstreamer won't let go of /dev/dsp  :/01:24
|trey|Now he can make it let go via esd  :/01:24
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|trey|Apparently alsa lets you too... but I don't remember where I saw that working...01:25
|trey|It rarely does though....01:25
|trey|I think Fedora actually  :/01:25
Lowetrey will i put user in options(fstab)? so i can modify the files01:25
|trey|enless you could care less about losing it of course...01:26
|trey|IE, the partition...01:26
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|trey|Most would rather avoid the risk  :/01:26
dalderman|trey|, nope no better01:27
pereHi. Great distro!01:27
dalderman|trey|, I get the same problem as root too01:27
|trey|dalderman: grrr!!01:27
Loweuhm im on about my partiton with my pr0n on it has padlocks on the folders01:27
TreenaksLowe: "read-only"01:27
Kamionaj: yo. saw my name invoked, but I don't have access to our ftp-master equivalent, I'm afraid; elmo or thom do01:27
Loweyeah how would i change that01:27
|trey|Lowe: user needs rights...01:27
|trey|you can do 'disks'... its already there...01:28
dalderman|trey|, should I file a bug now?01:28
|trey|That would be in man fstab though...01:28
thomKamion: what was the question? (I have a few weeks while firefox builds)01:28
|trey|dalderman: I suppose... what would it say though?  "sound won't work" isn't helpful...01:28
daldermanthom, LOL01:28
cefthom: heh01:29
dalderman|trey|, sound works fine, totem crashes on startup for me01:29
dalderman|trey|, crashes on startup for root too01:29
pereIm unable to get bitTorrent to work. I tried installing bittorrent, but get en error: Could not load wxPython01:29
dalderman|trey|, with a SIGSEV01:29
Kamionthom: "where's the signing key for Release.gpg"01:29
|trey|dalderman: using totem-gstreamer or totem-xine?01:29
Hrdwr_BoBpere: you need to use it in a terminal01:29
Mithrandirpere: sounds like you've installed bittornado.01:29
Hrdwr_BoBuse btdownloadcurses01:29
dalderman|trey|, just "totem" on the menu or on the command line01:29
|trey|Kamion: I still don't see why you need that  :(01:29
Lowetrey i changed the permissons but it doesn't change them for all files and folders01:29
ajKamion/thom: tnx01:29
dalderman|trey|, I shall try the others01:29
thomaj: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/misc/01:30
housetierpere, another suggestion: azureus01:30
ajerr, that's not the right key?01:30
Mithrandirthom: it's not the one used for signing the Release.gpg01:30
Kamion|trey|: because it's the root of trust for the entirety of a Debian archive's security01:30
Kamion|trey|: at least as far as clients are concerned01:30
sivangwe now have a misc entry? or is this the "universe" repo?01:30
thomi shall kick elmo then01:30
pereHrdwr_BoB: Can I use btdownloadcurses directly from Firefox (just clicking a torrent-link)?01:30
Mithrandirsivang: it's not a repo, it's just a directory.01:30
|trey|Kamion: correction, it WILL be, when 0.6 someday is in Stable...01:30
Kamion|trey|: furthermore aj wrote the script most people use to verify it (if they bother at all ...)01:31
thomunless i fix bittorrent first :P01:31
Mithrandirpere: I doubt it, currently.01:31
Kamion|trey|: you can verify it without apt 0.601:31
sivangMithrandir : for unspported stuff ?01:31
dalderman|trey|, I don't have totem-xine or totem-gstreamer, just totem.  Although installing totem-xine removes totem-gstreamer01:31
Hrdwr_BoBpere: hm.. possibly, I use it in a terminal btdownloadcurses --url 'http://foo.bar/baz.torrent'01:31
Kamion|trey|: it's a matter of verifying the signature and all the md5sums recursively01:31
Kamion|trey|: no01:31
Mithrandirsivang: nah, for misc stuff, like the key which is used to sign the releases and such.01:31
Kamion|trey|: debsigs goes in individual .debs, it's a different scheme01:31
Lowe|trey| i thought i would have to change it in the fstab for me to get access to it?01:31
|trey|Lowe: you need to read the man page, specifically where it talks about rights...01:32
|trey|rights and access...01:32
dalderman|trey|, installing totem-xine makes it worse, itgives me a "The application totem has quit unexpectedly" error01:32
|trey|Lowe: I am getting sick of saying RTFM...01:32
pereHrdwr_BoB: What package do I install. I see nothing similar to btdownloadcurses in Synaptic01:32
Mithrandirpere: "bittorrent"01:33
|trey|dalderman: wtf did you do?01:33
Lowe|trey| If your getting sick of it why offer to help in the first place?01:33
fabbionethom: are you sure that's the correct key? the 0x is different01:33
sivangHrdwr_Bob : bt has complete brwoser integration01:33
dalderman|trey|, I tried totem-xine instead of totem-gstreamer01:33
dalderman|trey|, that seems worse01:33
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|trey|dalderman: thats what I'm using here  :/01:33
|trey|Same exact packages and configuration  :/01:33
dalderman|trey|, with esd?01:33
Linuxbcnwhat name have a flash plugin in universe source?01:33
dalderman|trey|, perhaps it's my sound card?01:34
|trey|dalderman: yes... oh... for shits and giggles... apt-get install libesd-alsa001:34
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peresivang: with bt you mean bittorent, or a package called bt?01:34
daldermanjust filling a bug with bugbuddy01:34
thomfabbione: you're slow :-)01:34
pereahh.. too late.01:34
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|trey|dalderman: reportbug or from ubuntu's site...01:35
fabbionethom: sorry.. i am still having some BDSM with X.. you know01:35
dalderman|trey|, should I go back to totem-gstreamer or stick with the xine one?01:35
|trey|neither work... gstreamer is default....01:35
thomfabbione: i think you enjoy that too much01:36
dalderman|trey|, nope still the same with totem-xine, I'll try gstreamer01:36
dalderman|trey|, nope still segfaults01:37
fabbionethom: oh yeah.. i love when Xfree86 spanks me :P01:37
dalderman|trey|, am I your best friend now :-)01:37
pereHrdwr_BoB: Thanks. btdownloadcurses works very nice from the command line...01:38
housetierdalderman, does playing music with rhythmbox work? (afaik rb uses the gstreamer backend too)01:38
daldermanhousetier, not tried that, one sec01:38
Hrdwr_BoBpere: np01:39
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perePity though if there isnt a decent way to start it directly from the browser. Now I can't tell my girlfriend that in Linux she just can click on the movies she want to download (ehhh did I say movies?. I meant large iso files with linux distributions)01:40
daldermanhousetier, "OSS device "/dev/dsp" is already in uise by another program"01:40
daldermanhousetier, does it not use esd then?01:40
Linuxbcn apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree non rulez... mmmm01:40
Hrdwr_BoBpere: you could make a launcher and 'start in terminal'01:40
Mithrandirpere: pere somebody could package http://gnome-bt.sourceforge.net/01:41
Hrdwr_BoBthen drag/drop01:41
Hrdwr_BoBI think01:41
Mithrandirs/ pere/ /01:41
sivangpere : are you talking about bittorrent?01:41
sivangpere : there is01:41
pereWhen I start it from the browser I get errors about wxPython missing01:42
sivangpere : you just install the bittorrent package, and when you click on a .torrent link it opens automatically01:42
sivangpere : sec01:42
pereand something about wxPython discontinued development...01:42
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housetierdalderman, that indeed is a strange error message. in newer kernels alsa provides an OSS emulation that actually should be able to handle multiple sound sources01:42
housetierdalderman, you see I can listen to radio streams with bmp and still listen what it said in the latest anime release playing in mplayer01:43
daldermanperhaps it's the driver for my specific sound card?01:44
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peresivang: It is trying to start a program called btdownloadgui.01:44
daldermanhousetier, snd_intel8x001:44
daldermanhousetier, should I file a bug?01:45
sivangpere : try for a sec open another terminal and start that program manually01:45
sivangpere : type "btdownloadgui"01:45
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housetierdalderman, I don't think we've tried everything yet :)01:45
daldermanhousetier, ok01:45
daldermanhousetier, just trying xmms with esd01:45
daldermanhousetier, yep that works01:46
daldermanhousetier, breaks if I change to OSS driver tho01:46
pereI get an error here as well. Sending you the error as a priv msg01:46
thompere: possibly you're missing libwxgtk2.4-python, which is only a recommends and which btdownloadgui needs01:46
Kamionpere: sounds like you need to install libwxgtk2.4-python01:46
housetierdalderman, hmmm can you tell totem (xine or gstreamer) to use esd as well?01:47
sivangpere : please, do01:47
Kamionha, thom beat me01:47
daldermanhousetier, not sure how, command line perhaps?01:47
thomKamion: same minute :-)01:47
sivangKamion : that package should have depended on that lib01:47
Kamionsivang: it's not required for all functionality in that package01:47
sivangKamion : only for GTK support?01:47
Kamionsivang: that's why it's a recommends01:48
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sivangKamion : meaning that ncurses interface would work fine..ok01:48
peresivang: OK. I was not able to copy and pass the error-msg anyway...:-)01:48
housetierdalderman, only thing I can think of is "totem --disable-sound" so it maybe starts up correctly, then try to find something in the settings, save those, and restart without --disable01:48
sivangpere : before everything else, try01:48
daldermanhousetier, ok01:48
sivangpere : apt-get install libwxgtk2.4-python01:49
daldermanhousetier, nope still get device busy error01:49
sivangpere : than try to re execute btdownloadgui without parameters, should give you a gtk window with available command line options.01:49
thomKamion/aj: key should be fixed now01:49
daldermanthis sucks I don't want to have to use XMMS01:50
daldermanI had Sarge on here before and it all worked01:50
daldermankernel 2.4 tho01:50
daldermannon alsa01:50
pereahhh... its a buty..:-) installed and tested. Already downloading my first bittorrent-file. Thanks a lot everybody!!01:51
daldermanshould I file a bug now then?01:52
housetierdalderman, there is already a bug filed for debian01:52
daldermanhousetier, k01:52
daldermanhousetier, I shall have to be patient then01:52
daldermanhousetier, is it "oss won't share with esd" ?01:52
housetierdalderman, http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-gnome-maintainers/2004-July/005480.html and the reply: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-gnome-maintainers/2004-July/005501.html01:52
daldermanhousetier, ta01:52
sivangpere : :-)01:52
sivangdakderman : why not using XMMS?01:53
sivangdalderman : why not XMMS?01:53
daldermansivang, coz it's ugly01:53
daldermansivang, gtk101:53
daldermansivang, and not really part of gnome01:54
housetierdalderman, you should give beep media player a try then01:54
daldermansivang, I want rythmbox management style01:54
daldermanhousetier, ok01:54
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daldermanhousetier, not heard of that one01:54
housetierdalderman, http://beepmp.sf.net for info screenshots etc01:54
daldermanhousetier, still have a broken totem tho01:55
daldermanhousetier, what should I use for video?01:55
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housetierdalderman, the obvious answer is: use the player that works :D01:56
housetierdalderman, I only use mplayer, vlc when I have trouble setting the aspect ratio01:57
housetierdalderman, but then I have a very unique setup here01:57
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daldermanhousetier, yay beep player crashes too!02:00
daldermanhousetier, I think it's crappy sound drivers02:01
housetier(its the reason I don't like sound daemons)02:01
daldermanhousetier, mplayer crashes too02:03
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daldermanhousetier, I think I will not use esd02:03
housetierdalderman, however I can't really help you there. my setup is fundamentally different from yours. I can but give you hints and pointers02:05
tsenghm am i missing something, or is the ubuntu kernel source not available02:05
spivtseng: linux-source-*02:06
tsengah was looking at kernel-source02:06
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daldermanhousetier, thanks for all your help02:07
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dalderman|trey|, you too, thank you02:07
daldermanhousetier, oss and alsa output works with beep-player02:09
daldermanhousetier, once esd is dead02:09
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axe9my coputer is still t3h borked..02:10
housetierdalderman, maybe it'll work with totem as well (once you made sure esd is not running anymore)02:12
daldermanhousetier, nope just tried that02:13
daldermanhousetier, totem still has the same error02:13
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axe9anyoen know why my sound doesn't work?02:13
daldermansound is the topic of the day it seems02:14
daldermanmplaer won't play my new StarWars DVD either02:14
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Hrdwr_BoBthat's convenient because it's broken02:15
Hrdwr_BoBhan doesn't shoot first02:15
daldermanwon't play Empire either02:15
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daldermangxine plays it :-)02:17
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axe9I just don't get ANY soud02:18
Lowemplayer plays al my dvd's fine *yawn*02:18
daldermannope, that crashes too02:18
daldermanLowe, can I have your computer please?02:19
LoweMaybe for your christmas02:19
thaytandalderman: use totem-xine for DVDs02:19
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daldermanthaytan, I just spent about an hour trying to find out why totem-xine crashes with no success02:20
daldermanbasically all multimedia on my laptop dies with Ubuntu02:21
daldermanit was fine with Sarge02:21
daldermanI think it's kernel 2.6 audio02:21
thaytansetting the audio output to null should tell you that02:21
thaytanor using esd02:21
daldermangxine crashes with "NAV packet borked"02:21
daldermanesd works02:21
daldermanjust nothing else will when it runs02:22
LoweI'm glad i don't have all these problems :P02:22
thaytandalderman: NAV packet borked is interesting02:22
psyklopsI have been trying all night to install ubuntu, and every time I get the same result: at a random time during installation of the base system, I get disk i/o errors from my CDROM (hdb). I've tried burning the ISO to other disks, but that doesn't help.02:26
thaytanit could be a deficiency in libdvdnav02:26
daldermanLowe, aren't you lucky02:26
Treenaksthaytan: or a buggy dvd02:26
thaytanTreenaks: good point02:26
daldermanI'll get another one and try it02:26
housetier*cough*bad rip*cough*02:26
daldermanit's real02:26
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Treenaksdalderman: which one is it?02:26
daldermanEmpire Strikes back02:26
daldermangonna try Shaun of the Dead02:26
Treenaksdalderman: hm, I hope it's not a problem with Empire... I've ordered that too02:26
daldermangxine is just crashing with that one02:26
daldermanthis is pants!02:26
Treenaksdalderman: how about totem-xine?02:26
Lowegxine hates full screen so it's no use to me02:26
daldermanTreenaks, have to install, one sec02:26
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sabdflelmo: any response from internet solutions re mirror in south africa?02:26
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psyklop1bah... disconnected02:26
psyklop1how much of my message got out there?02:26
Loweall of it02:27
daldermanTreenaks, "The Application Totem has unexpectedly quit"02:27
psyklop1it was three lines02:27
Treenaksdalderman: wow.. I'd file a bug02:27
daldermanno dvd's for me :-(02:27
daldermangood job I still have XP on here02:27
psyklop11) installing ubuntu results in i/o errors at random times02:27
Treenakstotem-xine works fine with dvds for me02:27
Treenaks(hm, maybe it's a css problem?)02:28
psyklop12) debian and knoppix install on the system without incident02:28
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Loweeww xp (I only keep mine because my music is on it)02:28
daldermanLowe, well when I can play movies on here it will be gone02:28
daldermantill then it stays02:28
psyklop1Are there any known bugs with the filesystem of the iso?02:28
psyklop1it installs fine on my system, but on the other one it gives me random errors02:29
daldermancould this be anything to do with me using ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main w32codecs package?02:29
Lowedownload the win32codecs from the mplayer homepage02:30
Lowebut i doubt that's the problem02:30
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daldermanI shall remove and try anyway02:31
jMiI've got devices hald is recognising, but Gnome doesn't know what to do with. Is there a collection of .fdi files anywhere, or should I be trying to write my own?02:33
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daldermantotem now plays audio02:35
daldermannot dvd's tho02:35
tsenghey, new spamassassin is out02:35
Treenaksdalderman: have you installed libdvdcss from nerim.net as well?02:36
daldermanI removed all the nerim.net packages02:37
daldermantotem still crashes with dvd's tho02:37
Treenaksdalderman: you probably need libdvdcss for DVD CSS decoding02:37
gluonI'm having trouble with my sound card. The module (snd_intel8x0) is loaded, /dev/dsp exists, but I still cannot get sound. Rhythmbox gives out error: OSS device /dev/dsp is already in use by another program. Any ideas how to solve this?02:37
daldermanTreenaks, should I get that from nerim.net then?02:38
thaytangluon: I'd figure out which app is accessing02:38
Treenaksgluon: tell rhythmbox to use esd02:38
thaytanit's probably esd02:38
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Treenaksdalderman: it's on nerim.net02:38
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gluonthank you guys, the problem was esd.02:39
daldermanDVD tastic02:40
daldermanI wonder what the package that breaking it was02:40
daldermansomething from nerim.net02:40
daldermanI removed them all02:40
daldermanre-installed libdvdcss, and pulled in loads of other stuff02:41
daldermanand now it works02:41
daldermanI shall now test Empire02:41
Treenaksdalderman: dvdcss probably.. most dvds are encrypted, and libdvdcss "breaks" that encryption so you can watch the movie02:41
daldermanyes, but it was there before02:42
daldermanas I was using the nerim.net repository02:42
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daldermanI haven't got the w32codecs package from there on here now tho02:43
daldermanEmpire seems to work ok02:43
housetierdalderman, that's good news :)02:43
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daldermanso could it be w32codecs breaking it I wonder02:44
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Treenaksdalderman: probably not..02:44
Treenaksdalderman: I have them, and it works great02:44
daldermanyou wouldn't think so02:44
daldermanso what was broken then ???02:44
thaytanHadess did blog something about fixing the w32codec loader the other day02:45
daldermanlibdvdcss was there b402:45
Treenaksdon't know..02:45
Treenaksthaytan: then that might be it..02:45
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daldermanmaybe something was corrupt on disk and just needed reinstalling?02:45
housetieror maybe a package needed an upgrade02:45
Treenaksvery unlikely, unless you altered files yourself02:45
daldermanTreenaks, true02:46
Treenaksis "planet ubuntu" up yet?02:46
daldermanTreenaks, but weirder things happen02:46
daldermanso I wonder if I can use esd now02:46
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tsblack'lo all02:48
tsblackAre any of you aware of mail() issues with the current ubuntu php build?02:48
julien_I'v just updated ubuntu and my USB storage disks don't appear in "disks" anymore. However, they are mounted correctlt, just not happened to /etc/fstab.02:49
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Mitariohey everyone02:49
daldermanok, now my esd isn't starting02:49
daldermandid I frighten Trey off?02:50
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Treenaksdalderman: esd isn't starting? that's weird..02:50
daldermanTreenaks, yeah, I know02:50
daldermanhow do I debug this one?02:51
daldermanmaybe my sound hardware is locked, reboot?02:51
thaytanfuser /dev/dsp /dev/snd/pcmC*p02:52
thaytanthat should give you process ids if anyone is using the sound card02:52
daldermanlsof gives nothing either02:53
thaytanrun esd manually?02:53
daldermanjust esd, no args?02:53
thaytanyeah, that'll do02:53
daldermandan@scutter ~ $ esd02:54
daldermanAudio device open for 44.1Khz, stereo, 16bit failed02:54
daldermanTrying 44.1Khz, 8bit stereo.02:54
daldermanAudio device open for 44.1Khz, stereo, 8bit failed02:54
daldermanTrying 48Khz, 16bit stereo.02:54
daldermanAudio device open for 48Khz, stereo,16bit failed02:54
daldermanTrying 22.05Khz, 8bit stereo.02:54
daldermanAudio device open for 22.05Khz, stereo, 8bit failed02:54
daldermanTrying 44.1Khz, 16bit mono.02:54
daldermanAudio device open for 44.1Khz, mono, 8bit failed02:54
daldermanTrying 22.05Khz, 8bit mono.02:54
daldermanAudio device open for 22.05Khz, mono, 8bit failed02:54
daldermanTrying 11.025Khz, 8bit stereo.02:54
daldermanAudio device open for 11.025Khz, stereo, 8bit failed02:54
daldermanTrying 11.025Khz, 8bit mono.02:54
daldermanAudio device open for 11.025Khz, mono, 8bit failed02:54
daldermanTrying 8.192Khz, 8bit mono.02:54
daldermanAudio device open for 8.192Khz, mono, 8bit failed02:54
daldermanTrying 8Khz, 8bit mono.02:54
daldermanSound device inadequate for Esound. Fatal.02:54
daldermanI feel so inadequate02:54
daldermanTotem still plays audio tho02:54
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thaytanhrmn, no idea what would cause that02:55
thaytanwhat's the sound card?02:55
daldermanintel POS02:55
daldermanToshiba laptop, Sat Pro A1002:55
thaytansame I have here02:55
thaytan(which works)02:56
daldermanI'll hard reset and see what happens, it was working before02:56
lamontaj: about still?02:57
lamonthttp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/misc/daily_signing_key.asc is probably it...02:58
thomlamont: elmo had to fix it first ;-)02:58
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lamontfigured it was fixed...02:59
thomlamont: it was the wrong key, previously02:59
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daldermanthaytan, nope reset didn't work03:00
daldermanthaytan, manual run of esd gets same error03:01
thaytanum... is the oss emulation module loaded?03:01
daldermanround and round and round we go :-)03:01
daldermandan@scutter ~ $ lsmod | grep oss03:01
daldermansnd_pcm_oss            48168  003:01
daldermansnd_mixer_oss          16640  3 snd_pcm_oss03:01
daldermansnd_pcm                85540  2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss03:01
daldermansnd                    50660  11 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device03:01
daldermandan@scutter ~ $ ls -l /dev/dsp03:02
daldermancrw-rw----    1 root     audio     14,   3 2004-09-22 13:58 /dev/dsp03:02
daldermanbeep player works with OSS output03:02
daldermanand with alsa output03:02
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Treenakscould you add "snd_intel8x0m" and "snd-intel8x0m" to /etc/hotplug/blacklist, reboot and try again03:04
Treenaksif it's not in there already03:04
daldermanalready have done03:04
daldermanremove the modem right?03:04
Treenaksdalderman: doesn't work? weirdness..03:04
daldermanTreenaks, yep03:04
daldermanTreenaks, I am full of that today03:04
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Treenaksdalderman: what happens if you tell ESD to try 48 khz instead of 44.1?03:05
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daldermanTreenaks, just had a thought03:05
daldermanI had libesd-alsa0 on there from earlier advice, replacing with libesd003:06
Treenaksnow it works?03:06
daldermanI blame |Trey03:06
daldermanlibesd-alsa0 is borked03:06
thomyeah, that's why we don't install it by default03:07
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Treenaksdalderman: so everything works now? :)03:07
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daldermanTreenaks, nope, Totem is broken now03:08
daldermanTreenaks, crashes on startup03:08
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Treenakswhat's the error?03:08
daldermanTreenaks, "The App Totem has quit unexpe..."03:09
daldermantry to restart03:10
daldermanand it just dies03:10
Treenaksdalderman: and if you start it from the command line?03:10
daldermanTreenaks, this is totem-xone03:10
Treenaksdalderman: doesn't matter, that works for me too03:10
daldermanno output03:10
daldermanjust dies03:10
daldermanbeep player works with esd output tho03:10
Treenaksdon't know then, sorry03:11
daldermanTreenaks, np, thanks for trying :-)03:11
daldermangxine appears to work fine with esd03:13
thaytandalderman: how can beep use esd output if it isn't running?03:13
thaytanoh, you reinstall esd-oss03:14
daldermanthaytan, yeah, removed the alsa one03:14
daldermanthat was breaking it all03:14
daldermanIMHO alsa sucks03:14
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Sirius_Blackhi guys - how do i 'create' roor in ubuntu with sudo please03:15
daldermanSirius_Black, it's in the faq03:16
daldermanSirius_Black, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.572265367703:16
Sirius_Blackdalderman: tnx man03:16
daldermanSirius_Black, np03:17
daldermanmmmm DVD playback on framebuffer X03:17
Sirius_Blacki m installing it on my second machine and i had forgotten how i did it the first time round03:17
daldermanSirius_Black, sudo passwd root03:17
Sirius_Blackbtw - is it possible to get framebuffer on console with nVidia cards03:18
Sirius_Blackthnx dalderman 03:18
daldermanSirius_Black, AFAIk, I am using it with i81003:18
andredAny hope of getting security fixed Firefox and Thunderbird into Ubuntu soon?03:19
daldermanvga=0x318 should give you vesafb in 1024x768 with 24bit03:19
Sirius_Blackdalderman: sudo paswd root, asks me for a password.  do i give it the user password?03:19
daldermanThe Framebuffer HOWTO on tldp.org has all the modes listed03:19
daldermanSirius_Black, yes your password03:19
TreenaksSirius_Black: first, user password (to make sudo become root), then it'll ask for a root password03:19
daldermanSirius_Black, then it will ask for a new root passwd03:19
Sirius_Blackdalderman, Treenaks - got it tnx03:20
daldermanSirius_Black, Treenaks know more than me, he's the eggspurt03:20
daldermanor she?03:20
daldermanactually I have no idea03:20
Treenaksdalderman: he :)03:20
Sirius_Blackdalderman: i810 isnt nVidia.  is it?03:20
daldermanbut it uses vesa03:20
Treenaksdalderman: doesn't X work natively (including 3d) on i810?03:21
daldermanwhich works IIRC03:21
daldermanmy workstation has nvidia03:21
Sirius_Blackso does anyone know if i can have framebuffered console with nVidia cards03:21
daldermanTreenaks, yes, I'm sick :-)03:21
Treenaksdalderman: ah ok03:21
TreenaksSirius_Black: of course you can03:21
Sirius_BlackTreenaks: tell me how please03:21
daldermanSirius_Black, add vga=0x318 to your kernel boot line03:22
TreenaksSirius_Black: just like you do on any other card... see dalderman's response03:22
daldermanSirius_Black, in /boot/grub/menu.lst03:22
Sirius_Blackok tnx - i'll try that and will let u know :-)03:22
daldermanSirius_Black, title           Ubuntu, kernel Framebuffer03:22
daldermanroot            (hd0,1)03:22
daldermankernel          /boot/vmlinuz- root=/dev/hda2 ro vga=0x318 quiet splash03:22
daldermaninitrd          /boot/initrd.img-
Sirius_Blacktnx a lot dalderman and Treenaks 03:22
daldermannice to give some help back03:23
daldermanI been hogging this place all morning03:23
daldermanmmmmmm Empire on dvd :-)03:23
Sirius_Blackdalderman: u using mplayer?03:23
Sirius_Blacki c03:23
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thaytanSirius_Black: I believe the correct way to add to the kernel line is to add them to the kopt line03:26
Se7hdoesn't ubuntu come with tcl ?03:27
thaytanleave it commented out and add to the end03:27
thaytanthen run update-grub03:27
thaytanotherwise new kernel packages are going to kill your modifications03:27
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Sirius_Blackthaytan: tnx03:28
Sirius_Blackbtw guys - is it safe to point sources.list to sid and do dist-upgrade?03:28
daldermanbrb fooooood required03:28
daldermanmmmmmmm macarooon03:28
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Se7hdoesn't ubuntu come with tcl ?03:29
beezlySe7h: asking twice doesn't make you louder ;)03:30
Se7hi know it doesn't03:30
Chrifferit probably has it somewhere, there is a lon of junk in universe03:30
daldermanthaytan, sorry, I am giving bad advice03:30
beezlyapt-cache search tcl03:30
beezlywith universe in I get 216 entries03:31
thomSe7h: it's in main - tcl8.403:31
Se7htcl8.4-dev - Tcl (the Tool Command Language) v8.4 - development files03:31
Se7hhm hmm03:31
Se7hi'm getting the dependencies stuff again03:32
beezlywhat like?03:33
Lowetcl was already installed on my ubuntu, maybe im just special.03:33
beezlyLowe: nah, it was for me too and I don't think I installed it specially03:33
thaytandalderman: 'salright, I only learnt myself yesterday :)03:34
Se7hforget it03:34
Se7hit is03:34
thaytanSirius_Black: no, there's no guarantees of compatibility with sid03:34
thaytanand Bad Things may happen03:34
Se7htcl8.4 is already the newest version.03:34
beezlyso you already have tcl installed03:34
Se7hchecking whether the Tcl system has changed... yes03:35
Se7hconfigure: error:03:35
Se7h  Tcl cannot be found on this system.03:35
Se7hyeah but i get that03:35
Se7hwhat is the path to it ?03:35
TreenaksSe7h: which tcl ?03:36
beezlywhich tclsh03:36
Lowebuilding form source is so gay, i have like 1% of it working correctly03:36
Treenaksuh yes03:36
Se7hchecking for Tcl library... found /usr/lib/libtcl8.0.so.103:36
Se7hchecking for Tcl header... {not found}03:36
daldermanSo, who can tell me why the modules shpchp.ko and pciehp.kp cause errors on boot and remain unloaded?03:36
TreenaksSe7h: tcl header != tcl library03:36
TreenaksSe7h: you'll probably need  apt-cache search tcl header03:37
beezlyno no03:37
Treenakswhich gives me:03:37
Treenakstcl8.4-dev - Tcl (the Tool Command Language) v8.4 - development files03:37
beezlyah I see03:37
beezlyapologies Treenaks03:37
beezlySe7h: perhaps you need to tell the thing you're compiling where the tcl headers are?03:38
beezlythey're in /usr/include/tcl8.403:38
Treenaksbeezly: "teach a man to fish" and stuff...03:39
Se7hit returned the tcl8.4dev03:39
beezlyTreenaks: indeed03:40
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beezly"and he'll cook you a mighty fish supper" :)03:40
daldermanAnyone know what the shpchp.ko and pciehp.ko modules do?03:40
beezlySe7h: what are you laughing at? We're expecting a mighty fish supper!03:40
Se7hand i will cook one for you both03:41
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Sirius_Blackis there any doc about installing nvidia drivers 03:43
jdubSirius_Black: BinaryDriverHowto on the wiki03:43
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beezlymm, time for more caffeine03:45
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daldermanIf I wish to add ttf fonts to X so I can use them in xemacs, can I simply add the /usr/share/fonts/truetype dir as it has a fonts.cache-1 file, or do I need to add the individual subdirs03:50
daldermanor do I need to do ttmkfdir type things?03:51
daldermanit's a while since I did this stuff03:51
Sirius_Blackguys - after i edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, do i need to run something that upadtes grub or takes account of changes03:51
MithrandirSirius_Black: no, grub reads the file system03:52
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thaytanSirius_Black: you need to run the update-grub script if you did the editing the way I said03:52
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thaytanbut that just rebuilds menu.lst to include your change to the kopt line03:52
thaytangrub doesn't need to reinstall itself like lilo03:52
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Se7herm i don't get it03:57
Se7htcl8.4 is already the newest version.03:57
Se7hbut then..03:57
Se7hchecking for Tcl patch level...03:58
Se7hconfigure: error:03:58
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Se7h  Your Tcl version is much too old03:58
ichjust doin a apt-get upgrade, done one or two yesterday and today there are 10new packages?03:58
ik5pvxmore or less03:58
ichmuch libs03:59
WWich: I'm installing 41 packages, new since some time yesterday.  Looks like X was upgraded.03:59
ichyes it was maybe 4.4?03:59
Se7h12 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.04:00
tsengich: no way04:00
Se7h12 here04:00
WWNo, 4.3.04:00
ichso, is firestarter a good firewall?04:00
Treenaksich: "firestarter" is not a firewall, but only a tool that creates iptables rules. iptables rules tend to be "a firewall"04:01
LoweFirestarter pwns04:01
pisukeich, try shorewall04:01
ichok, gonna try it04:01
LoweNo firestarter is nice and easy to use04:01
lifelesswe couldn't find a really good robust firewall tool, which is why we don't have a specific one in warty...04:01
ichbut firestarter is easy, so i like it, and its german04:01
lifelessfirewalling gets complex /fast/.04:02
lifelessJust explaning why there are so many, and why you are having to choose one yourself :)04:02
ichok @lifeless: but if i start firestarter it wants an password, can i remove this message to startt it as normal user?04:02
Loweich remember to start it like gksudo /usr/sbin/firestarter04:02
ichi wanted to write an sciprt for inet, like pon dsl-provider and then start firestarter?04:03
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daldermanno msttcorefonts in Ubuntu?04:04
ichwould an scipt like this ok?04:05
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Se7hoh btw04:06
Se7hwhere the hell is gnome-audio ?04:06
Lowethere is a lot of gnome stuff missing in ubuntu that's supposed to be there04:07
Se7hi can see that04:07
ichok, please tell me :)04:07
LoweLike file types prefrences04:07
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Loweich maybe no one knows04:07
AnnaHi it's me again04:07
ichso gonna try it04:07
ichhi ana04:07
Se7hLowe isn't that there?04:07
Loweno se7h04:08
Se7hhi Anna04:08
ichso ciao04:08
Se7hi mean04:08
beezlyhey Anna04:08
Se7hwhat u mean bu file types preferences?04:08
AnnaI have one of these newbies questions and I feel less intelligent already...04:09
Lowehold on a min04:09
WWAfter updating this morning, I see a new package is available called ubuntu-base.  Does anyone know what this is?04:10
AnnaWhen I install a program with the SPM, and it is not listed in the GUI Panel, in which folder do I have to look?04:10
beezlySPM? is that Synaptic?04:10
Annathe ubuntu apt-get04:11
beezlyAnna: you tried the "Find" button at the top?04:11
AnnaYes, but it wants the folder first....04:11
Loweok se7h04:12
LoweFile types and programs is supposed to be in Apps > desktop prefrences > advanced > file types and programs. But there is no advanced tab.04:12
LoweFile types 04:12
LoweYou can specify how files of various types are displayed and edited. For example, you can specify an icon to reperesent a particular type of file. For another example, you can specify that if a file is a plain text file, the file is launched in a text editor.04:12
beezlyAh, do you mean where it says "Look in"?04:12
beezlyJust choose "Name"04:13
Annaok, brb04:13
beezlyyou can still use apt-get too, you just have to put "sudo apt-get install blah foo whatever"04:14
Se7hLowe yes, for sure Advanced isn't there04:14
Se7hbut i think u can define that kind stuff04:14
LoweI was expecting it to be there and was dissapointed since it's in the gnome manual which ubuntu comes with.04:14
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KamionWW: ubuntu-base is empty at the moment, but it's going to move into the base system and contain random Ubuntu-specific basic scripts04:16
WWKamion: OK, thanks.04:16
Kamionspeaking of, I should make the relevant debootstrap change now04:17
Se7herm Lowe just a few days ago i was in the GUI window that lets u specify what program to use with each file type04:17
Se7hthe icon04:17
AnnaOk, that was a misunderstanding. I'm not looking for applications *in* the SPM, I'm want to know the folder where applications are stored on my hard drive *after* I have installed them.04:17
Se7hcan't remember04:18
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beezlyAnna: ah04:18
LoweThat's a less advanced version se7h04:18
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beezlyright click the package you are interested in04:19
AnnaSee, I have installed "imagemagick" and now I can't run it because I can't find it.04:19
beezlygo down to properties04:19
Nonphasisanyone got xmms working?04:19
Loweloads of people have, but i don't use xmms anyway. BMP all the way.04:19
beezlyAnna: then across to "Installed Files"04:20
Nonphasisaha, gotta check it out04:20
Nonphasisxmms crashed on me immediately04:20
beezlyAnna: ImageMagick is a whole lot of programs none of which are called "ImageMagick" :)04:20
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WWAnna: I think imagemagick provides a suite of command line program.  I've used `convert` quite a bit.  I don't think there is a main GUI app.04:21
AnnaYes, I've found the locations now under propterties - installed files.04:22
mwh_I like xmms because it support mod files, I like BMP, but it does not support mod files :(04:22
AnnaThe description read that it can also be run under GUI..04:22
beezlyAnna: hmm, I don't know how to do that with imagemagick04:23
beezlyAnna: are you wanting to manipulate images?04:23
LoweBMP supports whatever xmms plays, since it can use xmms plugins.04:23
WWAnna: Ah, I see that is does.  So in this case, you could run `display` from a command line.04:24
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NonphasisLowe, thanks for the tip, looks great show far04:24
Lowexmms was really ugly (the menu at least)04:24
AnnaBut that still doesn't solve my problem. When I want to run "Abi-word" or Open Office, I click on its symbol and the application pops open. Now how do I open applications that are not listed in the panel? There has got to be a easier way then searching through folders..04:24
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pisukeimho in the computer menu should be a Open Location (ctrl+l)04:25
WWAnna: Yeah, I agree.04:26
beezlyAnna: if you know the name of the program you can create a new "launcher" on the panel04:26
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Anna How do I create the launcher? 04:27
Lowe*sigh* I'm going to lie down04:27
beezlyright click on the panel -> Add to Panel, then Applictaion Launcher04:27
beezlyAnna: sorry, that's wrong "Custom Application Launcher"04:28
AnnaI noticed.04:29
Nonphasishow do i associate a media player in right-click menu for folders... like "enqueue in winamp" on dos?04:29
Nonphasisit worked on kde...04:29
tvon|x31If you have rhythmbox installed there should be a right click menu item04:30
tvon|x31otherwise you can do right-click->properties->open with04:30
AnnaAh, now I'm back on square one, because it is asking me for the url04:30
AnnaI assume the url means the location of the application...04:31
Lowe(well duh)04:31
AnnaSo this returns me to my initial problem of how do I know where the application is stored on my hdd.04:32
Annasince in the SPM, there are many different locations under preferences...04:32
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Treenaks"the SPM" ?04:33
Annasynaptic package manager04:33
WWAnna: I am looking at the Create Launcher window; where does it ask for a URL?04:33
AnnaOnce I click "ok" it gives me the error message.04:34
AnnaCannot create launcher04:34
AnnaDetails: You have to specify a valid URL or comma04:34
WWAnna: I see.  Enter `display` in the command field (without the quotes).04:35
mwh_Lowe: I cannot get BMP to play mods, what should I do to get it to do that?04:35
mwh_Lowe: when I compile xmms it gets support for libmikmod, but when I compile BMP it doesnot04:36
AnnaOh wow, it worked!04:36
mwh_Lowe: so its not intirely correct what you are saying04:36
AnnaAnd I didn't have to specify the url04:37
AnnaThanks for your patience and advice WW04:38
WWAnna: It was asking for a "valid URL or command", and `display` is the command.04:38
WWWW: No problem.04:38
WWAnna: Doh!  Now I'm talking to myself.04:38
LoweWell it plays what i need and that's all that matters.04:39
WWAnna: (I typed WW: instead of Anna: a couple lines back.)04:39
Annaoh ok, lol04:39
Annanot that I noticed....04:40
AnnaSo the launcher would automatically associate the location just by entering the applications name?04:40
Anna(and typing 'display')04:41
tvon|x31why would you make a launcher for the 'display' command, btw?04:41
TreenaksAnna: I'd assume that it would look in a few standard locations (the path)04:41
AnnaI see @ Treenaks04:42
WWAnna: Not sure I understand your question.04:42
tsengjdub: hmm the wiki page for universe candidates says its immutable04:43
Sirius_Blackis there an mplayer binary or is it better to compile it from source?04:43
AnnaTvon, the task wasn't to create a launcher for 'display' it was to find an application (and add it to the GUI/panel) and apparently the command display was needed to assist the launcher in finding the applications.04:43
WWWW: `display` is an executable command; the launcher runs this command when you click on it.04:43
tvon|x31oh, gotcha :)04:43
jdubtseng: you need to log in (click UserPreferences)04:44
tvon|x31jdub: is Limi involved with this project?04:44
jdubtvon|x31: yeah04:45
WWAnna: Actually, YOU found the application, and told the launcher what to do.04:45
beezlygah, had to go talk to the boss04:45
beezlyi complain but I get to change my hours two days per week :)04:45
tvon|x31jdub: spiffy, just curious as I heard a rumor :)04:46
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WWAnna: If you install some other package, and you want it to have an icon on the panel, you'll again have to figure out (or know in advance) the name of the executable file, and enter in the "Command" field.04:46
AnnaWell I 'found' the application in the sense that I installed it from the SPM, but I didn't specify it's location to the launcher it that's what you mean.04:46
AnnaI understand WW04:47
WWAnna: On the other hand, a few packages that I have installed automatically showed up in the Applications menu.04:47
AnnaYes, I discovered that too with Abi Word04:48
AnnaIt was just there in the panel at its appropriate location under "office"04:48
AnnaBut it's dawning on my that perhaps ubuntu (or Gnome) is as of yet outside my ability to effectively operate. There are just too many gaps of knowledge which are impossible to bridge without the information needed. 04:51
tvon|x31Anna: out of curiosity, what app are you trying to add a launcher for?04:51
beezlyAnna: try and bear with it for a week, you'll pick up stuff *really* fast04:52
AnnaI feel like I'm sitting on an Island, planning to pull other islands towards me with a rope to make a continent, but I don't know which direction I have to throw the rope at to "catch one"04:52
Annaimagemagick, the one I mentioned earlier04:52
tvon|x31Which imagemagick command?04:53
AnnaI just entered "imagemagick" and "display" into the launcher.04:53
tvon|x31For which fields?04:54
beezlyAnna: are you specifically wanting to use ImageMagick or just do image manipulation? if it's the latter, you'd be better off install gimp04:54
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tvon|x31eg, when you right click on the panel -> add to panel -> custom application launcher..  You added "imagemagick" for "name" and "display" for "command" ?04:54
AnnaI have gimp already, actually I don't need imagemagick, this was just an exercise and I chose an application from which I assumed that it wouldn't burn a hole into my system trying to run it04:55
Anna sorry tvon, yes04:55
tvon|x31Anna: and that doesnt work? that should be enough04:55
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tvon|x31though I've never tried running 'display' without any arguments, does it open a GUI window without arguments?04:55
tvon|x31ah, k04:56
Anna(the problem was I didn't know the "display" command.04:56
Annaand I also didn't know about the launcher;-)04:56
tvon|x31Now you do :)04:56
tvon|x31Isn't learning fun!04:56
AnnaYes and it's a nice feeling04:56
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AnnaAnd I think it's wonderful that there are always people around who I can bug.04:57
tvon|x3199% of the time you will not need to add a 'custom application launcher' though04:57
AnnaYou mean the icon would appear automatically after installing the app?04:58
tvon|x31I'm mighty geeky and I dont have any custom app launchers... but then I also have a high interest in GNOME usability so I tend to do things the "GNOME way" over 'the old way I used to do it'04:58
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beezlyI'm lazy and do it the old way half the time ;)04:59
tvon|x31Anna: For most uses, there is an application that fits in with GNOME and will install itself into the applications menu.04:59
AnnaWell I used to be a GUI whore until I decided to drop windows recently for varied reasons, so I'm coming from the other end05:00
AnnaBut it's all very exciting05:00
tvon|x31You should be okay then.  Its mostly a matter of figuring out what app you should use to accomplish a specific task05:00
NonphasisOld way is sometimes the only way because the Gnome way requires you to search for all kinds of obscure stuff from cvs logs and whatnot05:01
queuetueHi.  I've inherited a remote debian server, and ... caught between the blind idealism, love for the ancient, and all-around disagreement about what makes a distro 'good', I basically need an alternative.  Something tested and modern, that I can upgrade to completely remotely, that I can use to host a postfix+mysql+courier system...05:01
AnnaI'll just have to learn..., I refuse to be defeated -permanently- 05:01
queuetueIs ubuntu valid for that?05:01
NonphasisCase in point - enabling an xmodmap via keybard layout selector05:01
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gluonhas anyone else besides me having trouble with Totem? When I launch Totem, an error dialog pops up with text: "Resource busy or not available."05:02
Nonphasisapparently there mere some files in /ush/share/gkb, but they weren't documented anywhere05:03
AnnaNot to hurt the present Ubuntu developer's feelings, but what Distro is best for bleeding noobs?05:03
NonphasisAnna, Ubuntu :)05:03
_Hiro_totem has always problems05:03
AnnaYour teasing me after having seen my ordeal05:03
tvon|x31Anna: Ubuntu is pretty good.  I used to reccomend Mandrake or Fedora.05:03
NonphasisApart from Ubuntu, I would have recommended Fedora05:04
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tvon|x31for being a gnome freak as I am, I'd go with Fedora over Mandrake05:04
gluon_Hiro_, not always. I had zero problems with Totem when using gentoo.05:04
NonphasisAnna, ubuntu will get easier once it gets a proper kde05:04
_Hiro_I come from gentoo05:04
_Hiro_totem never worked decently :/05:04
jdubNonphasis: pfft.05:04
_Hiro_same for rhythmbox05:04
_Hiro_and I have redhat and fedora boxes here as well05:05
tvon|x31Nonphasis: bite your toungue05:05
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_Hiro_it's just not 'stable' in its working :|05:05
_Hiro_vlc that works always :)05:05
srbaker_Hiro_, totem works perfectly here.05:05
NonphasisGnome just proves harder for many tasks...05:05
AnnaOk, these are standard Distros then. My fist experience was with Knoppix Live CD. That was my first nose of Linux and it hooked me immediately. 05:05
_Hiro_oh it works here as well now05:05
Nonphasislike, how can I add a media player to right click menu for folders?05:06
_Hiro_xine back-end, which in turn makes me wonder again why to use totem at all05:06
Nonphasisin kde I just added it, in gnome I added it but it's not visible05:06
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_Hiro_and rhythmbox just decides to kill its database once in a while ;)05:06
Nonphasisdoes the old "scripts" mechanism still work?05:06
_Hiro_but that's sort of standard practice with the thing :)05:07
Nonphasisrhythmbox crasher on reading my audio folder05:07
Nonphasisbeep media player seems to be just the ticket05:07
AnnaSo my lesson for today is finished. Tomorrow I want to install firestarter (which is not in the SPM), meaning I will definitely be back:-) Meanwhile I say thanks a lot and see you guys later.05:07
srbakerwhere's the best location for information on wireless?05:08
tvon|x31Anna: no problem05:08
srbakeron the interweb05:08
tvon|x31srbaker: what kind of informations?05:08
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cardadorhello. there exist mirrors of the repositories?05:09
srbakertvon|x31, configuration info, mostly.05:09
queuetueNo reactions to ubuntu's value as a mail server?05:09
tvon|x31cardador: yes, they are listed in the wiki05:09
tvon|x31queuetue: Ubuntu is more desktop oriented05:09
cardadorok ill try to find them05:09
srbakeri have a prism2 card.  hoping ubuntu will just pick it up05:09
tvon|x31cardador: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Archive05:09
queuetuetvon|x31: Is there a modern flavor of debian intended for server use?05:10
Nonphasishah, the faq has an entry for "one click mouse"05:10
Nonphasis( = one button)05:10
cardadortvon|x31: tks05:10
housetierqueuetue, well it seems sarge will be released Very Soon Now (tm) :)05:10
Nonphasisqueuetue, soon there will be, called "sarge"05:11
tvon|x31queuetue: you could try UserLinux, but at this point its basically a set of debian packages and not really customized beyond that05:11
tsengjdub: submitted :)05:11
jdubtseng: rocking :)05:11
tsenghmm my tinyurl broke05:11
queuetueIsn't sarge pretty old, itself?  I'm new to debian and #debian is not a good place to ask questions. :)05:11
Nonphasisqueuetue, sarge is very recent05:11
tvon|x31queuetue: sarge is fairly current05:12
tsenger, no it didnt :)05:12
Nonphasisqueuetue, for a server, sarge is a good choice05:12
Nonphasisqueuetue, for a "non-enterprise" server that is... I think there is no support and whatyouhave05:13
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housetierqueuetue, woody is old :) sarge is NEW and SHINY :D05:13
tvon|x31its pretty shiny, yes05:13
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raphaHi all!05:13
raphaI checked my Ubuntu installation, and there's no libxine1 there, so I wanted to ask again where the version for Ubuntu can be downloaded?05:14
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ninj1how come I can't build GNOME stuff? what package do I need to install to get the gtk/glib pkgconfig files?05:15
mxpxpodninj1: libgtk-2.0-dev05:15
tvon|x31rapha: do you have universe and restricted in your sources.list?05:15
mxpxpodninj1: libgtk2.0-dev05:15
raphatvon|x31: My computer doesn't have internet access...05:15
tsengninj1: youll likely need alot of -dev libs, and build-essential05:16
raphaSo I need to get everything manually from here and burn it to a CD.05:16
tsengninj1: keep adding them until configure passes05:16
tvon|x31rapha: ah05:16
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tvon|x31ninj1: what are you trying to build?05:16
raphaSo do Universe and Restricted have ftp/http servers as well?05:16
tvon|x31ninj1: you can run "apt-get build-dep <package>" to pull down everything you need to build <package>05:17
Kamionrapha: same as the regular one05:17
ninj1mxpxpod: i tried that the other day, but I don't think I've got my /etc/apt/source.list quite right, as it was failing dependencies05:17
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Nonphasisrapha, debian-based distros are not optimal for offline use until they are released05:17
raphaKamion: Which I can't seem to find on the website...05:17
ninj1tvon|x31: that's not a bad idea - I'll try that if this fails05:17
raphaNonphasis: Well, I just need libxine1 and maybe Anjuta and I'll be happy.05:17
tvon|x31apt-get build-dep is golden05:17
raphaNonphasis: And believe me, I'd rather have internet access ;)05:18
mxpxpodto build mono-mcs, would I just apt-get build-dep mono-mcs and then apt-get source -b mono-mcs?05:18
mxpxpodor can I use pbuilder?05:18
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Kamionrapha: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive05:18
daldermanso Rythmbox works now too :-)05:18
raphaThanks Kamion 05:18
daldermangstreamer-properties did the magic05:18
housetiercongrats dalderman :)05:19
ninj1can anyone  point me to a stock Ubuntu /etc/apt/sources.list I can refer to?05:19
daldermanhousetier, ta05:19
daldermanhousetier, ross of soundjuicer fame pointed it out to me05:19
daldermanhousetier, now to find out why my xemacs menu has got such a huge font05:19
housetierdalderman, what did you do with gstreamer-properties, which properties did you set to what value?05:20
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housetierthe info might be useful for others too05:20
daldermanhousetier, Default Sink Output to ESD and Input to ESD05:20
housetierah good to know :)05:21
daldermanninj1, Firefox?05:21
housetierdalderman, however I cannot help you with (x)emacs05:21
daldermanhousetier, that's ok, it's a grdb/xrdb type problem05:21
ninj1dalderman: it's nice, but it still just doesn't quite feel right05:21
daldermanI think it's xemacs being borked05:21
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daldermanninj1, here is my sources.list if it helps05:22
dalderman#deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Unofficial i386 Binary-1 (20040915)] / unstable main restricted05:22
dalderman## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch updated software from the network05:22
dalderman#deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted05:22
dalderman#deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted05:22
dalderman## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch updated software from the network05:22
dalderman## and be able to use more than 12000 unsupported packages from the universe archive.05:22
daldermandeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe05:22
daldermandeb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe05:22
daldermandeb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted05:22
daldermandeb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted05:22
dalderman#deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free05:22
daldermandeb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main05:22
raphapool/main is the stuff I'll also find on the CD, right?05:22
ninj1dalderman: thanks (although I didn't need all the commented lines!)05:23
daldermanninj1, sorry, was a grab and click05:23
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_Hiro_openoffice places some kind of line at the bottom of a document, anyone know how to get rid of it?05:24
dalderman_Hiro_, seen it B4 but can't remember what I did, soz05:25
_Hiro_it started when I typed ----------------------    :/05:26
Lowe_Hiro_ you have to buy openoffice some coke05:27
raphaKamion: The German mirror, should it be complete?05:27
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sabdflrapha: yes, if it isn't please holler05:27
Kamionrapha: looks ok at a superficial glance05:28
raphasabdfl: I'm just still looking for libxine1, and at least it's not in universe/libx.05:28
Qerubrapha: you ought to be looking for the source package name05:28
raphasabdfl: And also not in main/libx05:28
ninj1mxpxpod: problem is 'apt-get install xlibs-dev' returns a whole load of 'Depends:  libxyz-dev' but  it is not going  to be  installed'05:28
ninj1none of xlibs-dev's dependencies can  be fulfilled :(05:29
Se7hwhats the command to shutdown a pid ?05:29
raphasabdfl: Kamion: Qerub: Okay, found it. Thanks! :)05:30
fabbioneninj1: ??05:30
fabbioneninj1: which version of X? are you updating from the network?05:30
mxpxpodninj1: talk to tseng05:30
Loweooh we just got a new carpet, damn it's so thick.05:30
tsengninj1: do you have universal?05:31
tsenger, universe05:31
ninj1ii  xserver-xfree8 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 the XFree86 X server05:31
ninj1tseng: yep05:32
tsengninj1: well then im not sure what your problem is05:33
tsengapt-get update again05:33
fabbionei guess you will need to dist-upgrade first05:33
tsengdist-upgrade? is he doing something weird?05:34
tsenglike changing dists halfway05:34
ninj1tseng: i've done apt-get clean, apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade - still no joy05:34
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ninj1tbh, i had to bootstrap the machine with a debian sarge CD, then upgrade the core stuff and install apps etc from a Ubuntu CD to get this far :)05:35
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ninj1Ubuntu installer doesn't work on my lappy :(05:36
elimwhats wrong?05:36
ninj1elim: with what?05:37
elimhe said it didnt work 05:37
ninj1who said what didn't work?05:37
elimi asked what was stoping it05:37
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raphaWhy does get -R main/lib*/*/*dev*i386.deb universe/lib*/*/*dev*i386.de also get "liba/libao/libao-dev_0.8.5-1_amd64.deb" and powerpc files?05:38
ninj1elim: the Ubuntu installer? I don't know - it was hanging at random points after booting05:38
raphaHas Ubuntu gcc and co. installed by default?05:39
sladenninj1: are you able to md5sum check the CD you're booting off?05:39
elimhmm thats strange. maybe a kernel problem or a program causing problems05:39
ninj1sladen: yep - the CD was pucker - and I cut a second copy (also checked it)05:39
ninj1yep - I suspect the kernel, as it still wont boot from the standard Ubuntu kernel, so I had to build one from (kernel.org) source05:40
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sladenI think there's a real case for having d-i check the parts of the CD itself.  There's an unbelievable number of dud burns happening;  and the installer is coping with most of them (eg, just coming up with lots of missing packages then requesting to fetch ~50MB over the net to make up05:41
raphaAnother stupid question, how do you install a .deb manually?05:42
Kamionsladen: um, d-i does05:42
nkanyone knows where ubuntu stores the .deb files?  i have to modify the code a bit and after that I wanna install the package. is there a way? the more I added some sarge-mirrors, might that affect my installation in some bad way?05:42
Kamionsladen: the issue is probably not dud burns there, it's that the archive has newer versions of packages than the CD05:42
daldermannk, /var/cache/apt/archives/05:43
Kamionwe could default cdrom-checker/start to true, but it's probably pretty slow ...05:43
sladenrapha: dpkg -i foo.deb05:43
raphaThabks sladen 05:44
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Kamionshame that we can't do the integrity check only on burnt CDs, not pressed ones05:44
sladenKamion: both probably contribute to the problem05:44
elimi cant compile fluxbox on my mac :(05:45
raphaI'm asking because I'm on RedHat right now; does Ubuntu have gcc and the other development tools installed by default?05:45
sladenKamion: yes we can.  Just munge Canonical's offical ISO's with an extra flag05:45
jdubrapha: no, but they're on the CD05:46
sivangrapha : even if not, you could just as easily install them using apt-get05:46
elimyes it does i just cant install fluxbox by compilation :(05:46
Kamionsladen: disapprove heavily of that kind of thing05:46
Kamionsladen: also, we'll be publishing the official ISOs; what's to stop people burning them, or indeed from copying pressed CDs?05:46
sladenKamion: ``I see you're using a self-burnt CD.  Would you like me to checksum it first?''05:46
ninj1aha - debian sarge has a higher package release number for it's zlib1g package, so Ubuntu's version wasn't deemed newer, so was holding up the install of all the other dependencies05:47
sladenKamion: can bit-twiddle sometime off the end of the CD05:47
ninj1it's  happily installing libgtk-2.0-dev (and deps) as we speak05:47
Kamionsladen: I disapprove of doing something I can't even test myself!05:47
sladenKamion: can bit-twiddle something off the end of the CD;  is somebody copies it, it'll disappear05:47
raphasivang: Well, no. I've no internet access at home.05:48
Kamionsladen: I will not do that, sorry05:48
raphaThanks jdub!05:48
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raphajdub: Btw, nice seeing you here doing this Ubuntu stuff!05:48
Kamionif somebody else wants to, they'll need to have CD-pressing equipment to test it with05:48
sivangrapha : lemme check this for you a sec05:48
sladenKamion: if I wrote the code, would you consider using it?  :-)05:48
zombicswhat i need to apt-get install to get the kernel source(2.6.8)?05:48
raphaI think it's a great idea and also greatly executed so far.05:48
Kamionsladen: probably not, I really dislike that sort of hack05:48
rapha(Plus, many others seem to think that as well)05:48
Kamionsladen: it's one step away from copy protection05:48
Kamionzombics: linux-source-
sladenKamion: s/copy/"verification"/  ;-)05:49
Kamionsladen: not worth the cost05:49
zombicsKamion, THX !05:49
Kamionsladen: if we could test in software whether the CD had been burnt, that would be marginally less gross; AFAIK you can't05:49
Kamionsladen: and I mean something that doesn't depend on properties of the ISO05:50
ggiDoes anyone use gvim here? (the vim-gnome package in universal)05:50
srbakercan i install ubuntu over wifi?05:50
jdubrapha: :-)05:51
jdubrapha: hope you enjoy it05:51
jdubhey, has everyone seen gnome-look.org today?05:51
tvon|fixingcrapsrbaker: sure05:51
tvon|fixingcrapsrbaker: well...nm, ignore me05:51
jdububuntu goodies on the front page :)05:51
tvon|fixingcrapjdub: ah, spiffy05:51
raphajdub: Installed it yesterday, but already am. But tell us the truth, you only want Mark to get you a trip into space, right?05:51
Kamionsrbaker: works for me ...05:52
sivangjdub : on wiki?05:52
jdubrapha: you do know we're all here on ISS, don't you?05:52
tvon|fixingcrapjdub: haha05:52
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jdubKamion: stop doing floaters!05:53
sladenKamion: it maybe possible to do something non-hackish, if they burnt to a CD-RW05:53
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tvon|fixingcrapjdub: hey, whats up with the default theme not being indubstrial?05:54
raphajdub: Oh. But naaah, I'm gonna make my own distro and it's gonna be based on Mars!05:54
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lozhey.  The FAQ, hints etc. on the site seem a little sparton, how can I help this?05:55
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y_sutedjahello people05:55
schweebloz: could put stuff on the wiki05:55
lozhow does one get wiki access?  Sign up somewhere?05:56
raphaYou know what'd be cool for Ubuntu? There's this "Start Linux from Windows" kind of thing, right? So one could make a little Win32 autostart program that opens when you pop in the Ubuntu CD under Windows, and lets you install it right from there.05:56
jdubtvon|X31: it is indubstrial :)05:56
jdubtvon|X31: (based on)05:56
tvon|X31jdub: oh? ahhh05:56
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Kamionrapha: stay tuned ;)05:56
mojogoodmorning every105:56
y_sutedjamornin mojo05:57
mojocan someone show me how to add more languages in GNOME? I default choose Eng, now I want to test the Jap lang05:57
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raphaKamion: Aaah! :)05:58
sivangrapha : apparently it's not on the installer cd05:58
ninj1mojo: see locale-gen05:58
sivangrapha : actually, i think it's one of the design goals there were foreset in warty as a user oriented system first ;)05:58
raphaWell, you guys are obviously not smarter (hahah!) but definately faster than me...05:59
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sivangrapha : design goals = policy decision05:59
Kamionloz: just create an account, AFAIK06:00
sivangrapha : http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fSupportedSeed06:00
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srbakeroh, suck06:01
srbakerapparently this card only has 104-bit encryption06:01
y_sutedja104-bit read error..?06:02
y_sutedjasrbaker: what kinda card?06:02
srbakerD-Link DWL-65006:02
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LoweI just got another gmail account(UbuntuLinux@gmail.com) so when ubuntu becomes famous i can sell it MWAHAHA *cough*06:04
mojoninjl: I can't find any local-gen in Synaptic06:04
raphasivang: Aaah! Thanks! Well, no worries then :)06:04
mojoninjl: locale-gen I mean06:04
stubSo can anyone tell me where I can stick my WEP key so that the Gnome network-admin tool won't nuke it? I've currently got it in /etc/network/interfaces, but that file is rewritten by that tool.06:05
ninj1mojo:  package is locales06:05
mojoninjl: k06:05
mojoninjl: yes I got that installed already but there is no option for lang in GDM06:06
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eazel7hi ubuntu people06:06
eazel7how are you?06:06
raphaWhy are you named after a dead company, eazel7?06:06
eazel7rapha, it's not because of the company06:07
eazel7it's something related with my name and the Neon Genesis Evangelion anime serie06:07
mojoninjl: u have any idea06:08
ninj1mojo: you should configure /etc/locale.gen to list the languages you want06:08
Sander__Is KDE in universe?06:08
jdubSander__: most of it06:08
ninj1on my system I have 'en_GB.UTF8'  on one line and 'th_TH.UTF8' on  another06:08
raphaeazel7: Ah, I see. Well, I'm more into Vietnamese than Japanese, so no Anime for me :)06:08
ninj1I run 'locale-gen'  and  it does stuff  to make stuff work :)06:09
raphaninj1: Good stuff, that.06:09
Sander__thanks jdub is it usable, or will there be some sort of announcement?06:09
eazel7how can I add the a ubuntu mirror to sources.list?06:09
eazel7rapha, ok, how is life there?06:10
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tvon|X31eazel7: check the mirrors list on the wiki06:10
raphaeazel7: If I right remember, Synaptic provides a means for that06:10
tvon|X31hrm...actually I dont think it provides the sources.list lines06:10
tvon|X31it probably should06:10
mojoninjl: thx06:10
raphaeazel7: Well, good I hope :) - I'm in Germany, but I'll go there next year.06:10
tvon|X31Is there a mirrorselect setup for ubuntu?06:10
zombicswhat i need to apt-get install to update my kernel?06:10
raphaAnd in Germany it'a as dull as ever.06:10
eazel7rapha, ok06:10
tvon|X31zombics: ^^06:11
mojoninjl: ah...I just want to add in Jap, Viet, Korean, so what do I have to edit locale.gen to?06:11
tvon|X31"dpkg-reconfigure locale" maybe?06:12
mojowhat reconfig for?06:12
jdubSander__: it's usable06:12
jdubSander__: there won't necessarily be an announcement, because we do not support KDE06:12
mojothx tvon06:12
raphaOkay, that should be everything I need :-)06:13
Sander__jdub, bummer. So are these just rebuilt packages from sid, and if they work great, if not don't call us?06:14
zombicshmmm i got the new kernel + kernel source and i just cant install the NVIDIA drivers.(the error is that i dont have the kernel sources)06:14
tvon|X31zombics: get the headers too06:14
tvon|X31zombics: linux-headers06:15
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jdubSander__: at the moment, yes.06:16
zombicstvon|X31, thx ! ! !:)06:16
thomzombics: use linux-restricted-modules06:16
jdubSander__: though you can help fix stuff :)06:16
thomzombics: (apt-get install nvidia-glx)06:17
zombicsthom, cant. i have A6406:17
eazel7how can I add the ubuntu apt-source06:18
whiprushanyone using gmane newsgroups with evo2? It used to be a problem and it's reared its head again.06:19
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tvon|X31eazel7: deb     http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe06:23
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tvon|X31is the whole shebang06:23
tvon|X31ideally you would remove restricted and universe06:23
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eazel7gracias, thanks06:25
tvon|X31de nada06:27
eazel7tvon, where are you from?06:28
tvon|X31eazel7: Baltimore MD (US)06:28
eazel7tvon, ok, I'm from Buenos Aires, Argentina06:28
Sander__OK jdub, INAD (in /. parlance) but I'll help where I can. I'm on Sarge now, but I'm monitoring the progress.06:28
tvon|X31I took 3 years of spanish and all I know is 'de nada' and a few obscinities that I can't spell :)06:29
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mxpxpodtseng: you have a ubuntu mono repo, right?06:30
eazel7I did, kinda 19 years of spanish and still I haven't learn the leanguage06:30
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eazel7well, I'm now updating from sarge to ubunto06:37
eazel7hope this to work fine06:37
eazel7(when I read about ubuntu I said: this is what I'm looking for)06:38
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whiprusheazel7: yeah, it's pretty cool06:39
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eazel7I'm trying to build my own distribution, based in debian and gnome 2.8, but with my patches selection06:41
eazel7for now, I don't need to do this while there be ubuntu06:41
eazel7but, I'm wondering, does it has a stripe in the applications menu?06:41
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lozwhere can I get more packages than are listed in synaptic?06:48
zombicsno fdisk on ubuntu? :O06:49
eazel7zombics, perhaps cfdisk (I don't use ubuntu, but I guess) or fdisk isn't in your PATH variable06:49
schweebyes, cfdisk is included06:50
lozeazel7: what are you doing in #ubuntu then?06:50
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eazel7loz, asking about the apt repository because I hope to be using ubuntu when the download ends06:50
lozI see..06:51
zombicssudo: cfdisk: command not found06:51
eazel7will ubuntu use x.org?06:52
lozit doesn't yet06:52
phlaegelnext release06:52
zombicshow can i partition my disk?06:52
lozzombics: open a root shell, there is cfdisk on my ubuntu06:53
zombicshow can open a root shell?06:53
lozare you in gnome?06:53
lozapps->system->root term06:54
lozthen your password (not root)06:54
zombicsno :/06:54
zombicsi dont have it06:54
TreenaksHow does the zeroconf stuff work?06:55
schweebopen a terminal, sudo -s06:55
lozhow come?06:55
lozlook in synaptic then..  are you running ubuntu now?06:55
zombicsbash: cfdisk: command not found06:55
lozwhat version?06:55
zombicsthe last vertion....06:55
zombicsthe A64 version06:56
lozah.. I'm on i686, so perhaps they differ.06:56
mxpxpodtseng: ping06:59
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mxpxpodhas anyone here used pbuilder with ubuntu?07:08
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mxpxpodlamont: oh?07:10
mxpxpodlamont: how well did it work?07:10
lamontyeah - I run the warty buildd's...07:10
lamontworks well, thanks..07:10
mxpxpodlamont: I'd like to build mono packages for ppc07:10
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lamontpeople.no-name-yet.com/~lamont/warty.buildd is the debootstrap script07:11
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lamontmxpxpod: toss that in /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/ and you can debootstrap a warty buildd chroot07:12
lamontwhich I expect you could tar up and use with pbuilder.07:12
mxpxpodlamont: oh really...07:12
lamontit's kinda pretty close to sid/sarge/whatever07:12
lamontI forget what I had to change.07:12
mxpxpodjdub: ping07:13
mxpxpodjdub: how did you build those gnome-bluetooth packages?07:14
joemhrm, why isn't there a menu for development apps (anjuta, devhelp etc..)?07:15
mxpxpodjoem: ? it's under programming07:16
jdubmxpxpod: dpkg-buildpackage...07:16
joemyea, but the programming menu isn't there07:16
mxpxpodjdub: nothing more, nothing less?07:16
lamontmxpxpod: so where does mono-mcs come from?  If we could get that into universe, then the rest of mono should just try to build...07:17
mxpxpodlamont: from mcs07:17
mxpxpodlamont: the other thing is that it's only at 0.96 in universe07:17
lamontuniverse/devel/mcs_0.96-1: Dep-Wait by buildd+terranova [optional:uncompiled] 07:18
lamont  Dependencies: mono-mcs07:18
mxpxpodlamont: do you have a buildd webpage somewhere?07:18
lamontis 0.96 worth me trying to bootstrap it in for warty?07:18
mxpxpodlamont: you should try getting 1.0.1 in :)07:18
lamontmxpxpod: convince jdub/mdc to take it, and I'll bootstrap it wherever I can.07:19
mxpxpodjdub: ^  :D07:19
jdubtseng's packages are the ones you want07:19
mxpxpodjdub: does he have source packages?07:19
mxpxpodwhere's his repo?07:19
jdublisted on -devel and in the wiki07:20
lamontjdub: if source shows up in the warty archive, and someone pokes me, I'll make it happen.07:20
tvon|X31Anyone using tomboy?07:20
tvon|X31tomboy is sweetness07:20
mxpxpodjdub: huh?07:20
tvon|X31like walter payton07:21
jdubmxpxpod: it was posted to -devel, and it is noted on the wiki in Universe(somethingorother)07:21
mxpxpodjdub: ok, thanks07:22
joemmxpxpod,  http://getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs07:22
mxpxpoddammit, no source07:23
Se7hi don't know hurd-i38607:25
Se7his it compatible with i386 ?07:25
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mxpxpodjdub: thanks for the help :)07:28
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[SemTeX] hi, does somebody has a pan (newsreader) .deb for ubuntu please?07:29
ishwas there a bunch of updates in the last few hours?07:30
Kamionlamont: that warty.buildd script seems to be missing amd64 ...07:31
Kamionlamont: perhaps warty.buildd should go in the debootstrap package?07:31
waslapthis might be a stupid question, but will i need to upgrade ubuntu everytime a new release is released, or will I have the benefit of simply just upgrading packages (gentoo user here)07:32
tvon|X31Hey, how can I get rid of the timeout for sudo?07:32
tvon|X31(so it remembers my pass)07:32
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Kamionwaslap: you'll be able to upgrade in-place without reinstalling07:32
waslapgreat, thanx07:32
tvon|X31I poked around the config and did not see anything that caught my eye07:32
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crimsunish: yes07:33
tvon|X31ah, nevermind, I'm a twit07:33
crimsunish: lots of updates to GNOME- and XFree86-related packages07:33
lamontKamion: yeah, it should...07:34
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lamontKamion: you want to file the bug, and I'll deal with amd64 and get the upload ready07:34
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=== lamont can't seem to reproduce #1559...
lamontgonna have to pester joshk when he gets home from school07:36
peteogIm sure sound shouldnt be so confusing... I was using ALSA with Beep and Totem-Xine, but was having issues in that when say beep was playing I didnt get sounds from Gaim, it seemed to be queing them as when I closed beep they would play. I have a kind of work around in that I enabled ESD, set sounds in Gaim to use ESD and beep to use ESD - this works, I can now hear Gaim sounds when mp3's are playing. but now I have no sound 07:36
peteogin Totem-Xine. Also using ESD doesnt seem to be the correct way of doing this. Any ideas?07:36
crimsun[SemTeX] : it's in universe07:37
crimsun[SemTeX] : Candidate: 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages07:37
[SemTeX] crimsun: thx07:37
crimsun[SemTeX] : apt-cache policy pan07:37
[SemTeX] but strange enough, i couldn't apt-get those sources for universe?07:37
siretarti just created an account for the wiki, and now I get a lot of python errors after my search results after a title search. Is this known?07:38
crimsunthat's because the sources return an error; i'm not sure if it's a faq on the wiki07:38
crimsungzip: stdin: not in gzip format   Err http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Sources   Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)07:38
[SemTeX] it was something like that yes07:39
[SemTeX] seems to be fixed now07:39
lamontthat sources file (and the packages files) get re-created every 30 minuts (if there are changes)...07:39
lamontthat makes it more likely to hit the time when they're being written...07:39
[SemTeX] ok, thx07:40
mxpxpodcan someone check if they have /usr/lib/epiphany-1.4/extensions/libtabgroupsextension.so installed after installing epiphany-extensions?07:40
siretartah, it only occurs with preffered style "warthogs"07:40
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ishOut of habit I do 'apt-get uprade'..  Should I do 'dist-upgrade'?07:43
Kamiondist-upgrade allows the installation of new packages and the removal of old packages to satisfy dependencies07:44
Kamionwhen doing dist-upgrade, you should watch what apt-get is doing in case it goes insane07:44
Kamionbut if you get packages "held back" during apt-get upgrade, you know why :)07:44
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ishso I'm safe to do 'upgrade' until I see packages held back?07:46
ishhmm..  maybe my lack of 'dist-upgrades' is why my previous stint at debian-unstable turned rotten.07:46
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lamonthrm... that does reproduce.07:47
WsquaredKamion: Sorry to jump into the middle of a conversation...  I've been using Synaptic almost exclusively.  Is the equivalent of dist-upgrade in synaptic?07:48
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KamionWsquared: uh, not sure, I should probably start using synaptic seriously at some point :)07:49
WsquaredKamion: Nevermind, I just read the message that appears in "Smart Update"07:49
Wsquared"Smart Update" is dist-upgrade.07:50
Wsquared...and that's what I've been doing.  I haven't seen anything go insane yet. :)07:51
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pisukewow, that xwindow bug hit me hard07:52
pisukeradeon here07:52
pisukenow everything is ok07:52
Tomcat_How can I set my keyboard layout in X?07:52
Tomcat_dpkg-reconfigure console-common?07:52
schweebdpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8607:53
Tomcat_No, not in X...07:53
Tomcat_Wait... I'll ask again. :)07:53
Tomcat_Oh alright.. that's a problem in aterm... xterm can use the Umlauts.07:54
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diemanim going to have an 8way iwill qk8s box at some point in the near future07:58
WWWow, looks like X has been updated _again_.  Don't you ubuntu developers sleep?07:59
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KamionWW: not often08:00
lamontsleep is for after release.08:00
diemanim going to be installing an i915 box tomorrow08:01
diemanexpect bugs in bugzilla08:02
diemanit ain't gonna be pretty.08:02
Se7hseth@devil ~ $ sudo apt-get install /tmp/totem-xine_0.99.16-1_i386.deb08:05
Se7hReading Package Lists... Done08:05
Se7hBuilding Dependency Tree... Done08:05
Se7hE: Couldn't find package08:05
Kamionyou can't do that with apt-get ...08:05
Se7hdo what ?08:05
Kamionif you have a .deb file on disk, you need to use 'sudo dpkg -i' on it, and resolve dependencies by hand08:05
Kamionapt-get install only takes package names08:05
Se7hforget it08:05
Se7hi must be drunk08:05
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mxpxpodjdub: ping08:07
mxpxpodjdub: how do I keep dpkg-buildpackage from signing the .dsc files?08:08
mxpxpodit keeps failing at that point08:08
jdubwell, if it fails, you still have .deb files08:08
jdubbut you can pass -uc -us to dpkg-buildpacakge08:09
lnmncis there an image I can write to a usb volume to install ubuntu?08:09
lnmncmy computer can't boot off of it's firewire CD drive08:09
mxpxpodjdub: thanks :)08:09
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Kamionlnmnc: not yet, on the to-do list08:12
Se7hi got movies08:12
lnmncso... I was installing ubuntu with the harddrive method, but some of the packages on the CD were corrupted.  This left my computer in an unbootable state.  There's no way to fix this with ubuntu?08:14
phlaegelfabbione: ping08:15
lnmncMaybe a self-test function for the install CD would be a high priority?08:16
Kamionwell, I only just fixed the self-tester today to work at all ...08:17
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lnmncwell, I can reinstall debian from a usb stick and then go through the HD install method again...08:22
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phlaegelhm. after switching to the k7 kernel, alsa seems to think it's a good idea to make my tv card the default output.08:25
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lozhow can I configure my card with alsa?08:32
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subterrificloz: Applications->Multimedia->Volume Control08:35
lozsubterrific.. no, actually get the driver to work..08:36
subterrifichow do you know it isn't working?08:36
lozbecause there are no sound devices in /dev and volume can't run because of that.08:36
subterrificwhat sound card?08:37
lozI don't know where to configure alsa in /etc/..  I don't know my way around ubuntu configs08:37
subterrificloz: no, i mean what card is it08:38
subterrificnot the driver name08:38
subterrificis your machine a Dell?08:39
lozntel Corp. 82801CA/CAM AC'97, yes dell laptop, C84008:39
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cybrjackle|workDo  you use pinning to block installation of packages08:41
lozsubterrific: essentially I want to know how I tell alsa to use the device, the install never did.08:42
subterrificloz: what does: sudo modprobe snd-intel8x0 do?08:42
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subterrificloz: normally it auto detects everything and loads the drivers automatically, so this is a bug or ALSA doesn't support that card08:43
lozI had it all working under gentoo.. although not alsa.  however alsa has the driver..08:43
lozthe module probes but does nothing in /dev/ for example..08:44
subterrificDell has some issues, for example, my Dell at home has an SB Live! but it doesn't work with the standard SB Live! driver. i had to patch the ubuntu kernel with the latest ALSA and add a new driver for it08:44
subterrificloz: use paste.plone.org and show me the output from lsmod08:45
subterrificloz: you should also open a bug for this at bugzilla.ubuntu.org because everything should "Just Work"08:45
NonphasisSB cards have several variations for the same card08:45
lozsubterrific: done08:46
subterrificNonphasis: this is a Dell specific variation, pretty sure no one else sells them. the driver source code specifically mentions Dell and the models the card ships with :\08:46
Nonphasissubterrific, yeah, it's probably some cheapo variation with emu chip...08:47
subterrificloz: everything looks in order there, are you sure you have no /dev/snd entries?08:47
lozcontrolC0  timer08:48
lozthat's all08:48
lozno dsp etc..08:48
NonphasisI bet there are like 10 different SB 128 PCI cards08:48
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subterrificloz: open a bug for this and attach your dmesg output08:49
subterrificloz: i can also give you my patched kernel with the latest ALSA if you're interested in trying that, but i'd consider it a last resort08:50
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Nonphasissubterrific, could you make via82xx sound card to default w/ dxs_support=2?08:50
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Nonphasissubterrific, because, dxs support sucks more times than it doesn't08:51
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Nonphasissubterrific, hissing/crappy sound quality. can't understand why dxs is enabled by default in the driver...08:52
[SemTeX] crimsun: I'm afrad that pan package makes my system crash08:52
[SemTeX] hard...08:52
subterrificNonphasis: i haven't figured out how to pass module options in debian yet, sorry08:52
Nonphasissubterrific, can't it be put in modprobe.d?08:53
subterrificNonphasis: but i have an on-board via82xx and dxs_support=4 works fine for me08:53
subterrificyou need to turn everything down a notch though08:53
Nonphasisit's a motherboard/bios issue08:53
subterrificyou can't keep the channels in the red08:53
subterrificat least for me08:54
Nonphasisyeah i know... that,s pretty normal though08:54
Nonphasisbut the dxs stuff... it took a lot of googling08:54
Nonphasisfor the system that "just works", it should take the easy route08:54
subterrificNonphasis: i found some comments about it on the alsa driver matrix page08:55
Nonphasisdxs doesn't do any good anyway08:55
subterrificNonphasis: are you loading the module in ubuntu with dxs_support=2 right now?08:57
Nonphasissubterrific, yes08:57
Nonphasissubterrific, created a file in modprobe.d08:58
Nonphasissubterrific, that's quite a bit more than "Just Works" approach should demand08:58
Nonphasisfrankly' via8235 is a crappy sound chip08:59
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subterrificNonphasis: best thing to do then would be to open a bug, give me the bug number and i'll add myself to it and then i can take a look at the driver source and see what can be done08:59
Nonphasiseven though mine does give optical spdif08:59
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Nonphasissubterrific, sounds doable09:00
NonphasisI'll do it when I haven't been drinking ;-)09:00
subterrificNonphasis: i know, i only have one cause its on my motherboard09:00
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subterrifici was pretty stunned at how crappy it was :\09:00
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NonphasisI thought it wouldn't matter if you feed spdif anymay09:01
Nonphasisbut these meisters invent stuff like dxs and every other driver has mysterious quality probs09:02
diemanheh, starting the i915 install now09:03
diemanbe afraid09:03
diemankeyboard no work.09:03
KamionUSB keyboard?09:03
diemanim using the release cd09:04
Kamiondieman: any way you can get me lspci / lspci -n output?09:04
diemani'll probally have to use a daily, eh?09:04
diemanKamion: no09:04
diemanKamion: usb only :|09:04
diemani'll have to grab a knoppix cd09:04
lezardHy all, I'm new to ubuntu and I have a stupid question. Can non-introduced users post on the ubuntu-devel mailing list or would it be preferible that just developpers post on it ?09:04
Kamionit's probably failing to load the appropriate *HCI module09:04
Kamionlezard: depends what it's about :)09:05
diemanis there a way to get d-i to talk over serial?09:05
Kamiondieman: boot with console=ttyS0 IIRC09:05
lezardKamion: the last mail from Jeff Waugh about release dates09:05
diemani'll do that09:05
lezardKamion: it seems unusual that the RC is so late compared to the final release date09:05
subterrificlezard: jeff is jdub here, talk to him in irc09:06
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Kamionlezard: the 13th was going to be our release date, so it just means an extra final CD build09:06
lezardWow, cool, what a great medi irc :)09:06
lezardKamion: ok09:06
lezardI Don't know exactly when would be best for testing the release in fact09:07
lezardWaiting for RC or now ?09:07
Nonphasishmm... if jeff is here, this might be a good place to inject some gnome feature request ;-)09:07
Kamionlezard: earlier the better09:08
lezardjdub: well, it's not a gnome feature request, but it seems that support for eagle-usb is missing09:08
lezardIt is a driver for USB ADSL modem09:08
Kamionwe have a bug about that I think09:08
lezardOk, let me serach for it09:09
NonphasisUSB ADSL! that way be dragons09:09
lezardNonphasis: yep, that's awfull09:09
Kamionor maybe not, I don't see it09:09
tvon|X31where death awaits you with big sharp pointy teeth09:09
Kamionit was brought up on one of the mailing lists at least09:09
NonphasisI'm not sure if such beasts should be even marginally supported09:09
lezardNonphasis: I hope they will :)09:10
Nonphasislezard, it's just that such support is completely *unnucessary*. People should really buy ethernet modems and that's the end of it09:11
Nonphasislezard, supporting them is an unnecessary drag when almost everybody has a proper modem09:11
diemanKamion: yay, a shell!09:11
lezardNonphasis: well, that's a point of viex09:11
KamionNonphasis: if both the hardware and the drivers exist and are reasonably free etc., we should try to support them09:12
lezardNonphasis: I totally disagree with you, but I can respect that09:12
diemanKamion: i can get you a /proc/bus/pci/devices09:12
Kamiondieman: that'll do09:12
NonphasisKamion, I guess trying shouldn't hurt anyone09:12
lezardKamion: everything is under GPL09:12
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Kamionlezard: "etc." includes "sane" of course :)09:12
Nonphasisinternal adsl modems are understandable because they are cheap09:12
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lezardKamion: quite sane in fact09:13
Nonphasisbut here, USB stuff is no cheaper than real ethernet modems09:13
diemanKamion: ok, whats your email, or put it into bugzilla?09:13
lezardKamion: well I'm not that objective09:13
KamionNonphasis: if the drivers exist and our free, it's not really our business to pass judgement on what hardware people should/shouldn't have bought09:13
Kamiondieman: cjwatson@canonical.com09:13
Kamiondieman: bugzilla probably better though09:14
diemanKamion: wtf!? IRQ 185?!09:14
lezardKamion: the eagle-usb tools exist under Debian09:14
diemanthe echi controller is on irq 185?!09:14
Kamiondieman: wow09:14
NonphasisKamion, how often is that a case? i mean free (as in oss) drivers09:14
KamionNonphasis: sufficiently09:14
diemanKamion: ok09:14
diemanKamion: i'll pop it off to that email09:14
Nonphasiswell, times have changed then09:14
lezardNonphasis: they are Sagem drivers and Sagem decided that they should be GPL, eagle-usb forked from the official to make clean ones09:15
diemanKamion: i'll probally install it here and then just do a lspci instead09:15
Nonphasisback in the day, everyone was urged to boycott non-ethernet modems, even for windows09:15
diemanKamion: and make one bugzilla bug for i915 support, if thats ok09:15
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KamionNonphasis: basically I think we'd rather that people who come into this channel asking for hardware support (that's generally not unreasonable for us to support) aren't told that they should've bought better hardware ...09:15
NonphasisKamion, undebatably true :-)09:16
KamionNonphasis: hardware that isn't Linux-compatible at all because the manufacturers won't release specs may or may not be a different matter09:16
lezardNonphasis: some people don't want to buy modem when ISP let you them for free09:16
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Kamiondieman: fine09:16
Nonphasislezard, good point as well09:16
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lezardKamion: in this case, we have all the specs09:16
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diemanKamion: yeah, because it needs an addtional line for tg3 too.09:17
diemanKamion: hopefully this tg3 doesn't need firmware09:17
Nonphasis*but*, people that are shopping for hardware should be directed towards ethernet modems09:17
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elmodieman: the firmware stuff for tg3's is automatic09:18
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Nonphasisis bcm95751 a tg3?09:19
elmosounds like it09:19
Nonphasistg3 used to suck as far as drivers go, 3 years ago when configging them was involveh with my job09:19
elmotg3 doesn't suck any more, davem rewrote it from scratch09:20
Caprihey, I try to burn CDs with cdrecord. How do this scanbus thingy work? I've used cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI: but there is no list09:20
Nonphasistg3 is everywhere now (compaq proliants)09:20
diemanelmo: ahh, ok09:20
diemanalso needs disk support loaded...09:21
diemanthis is going to be a fun(!) install.09:21
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elmocapri: might be easier to use nautilus - if you have an ISO, just right click and select 'Write to CD'09:21
Nonphasisubuntu istall is so easy, i was almost disappointed ;-)09:22
michel_v_it's the post-install thing that's headache inducing :)09:22
slackeerbNonphasis: its great isnt it. =)09:22
michel_v_with my wifi hardware, I mean ;)09:22
michel_v_else, it's great09:22
slackeerbdoes anyone know how to burn a .dmg cd image?09:22
Nonphasisyes, post-install... that's always the real problem09:23
Caprielmo, nautilus didn't work. I choosed the data and wanted to burn it. After making image it didn't go on to burning.09:23
Nonphasis1) get sound and video going09:23
Nonphasis2) get nvidia bin drivers going09:23
Caprielmo, must I do anything compareable to this ide-scsi stuff from 2.4 kernels in 2.6?09:24
slackeerbNonphasis: http://serios.net/content/debian/nvidia-display-drivers.php09:24
Nonphasisubuntu should really have "apt-get install mplayer-compile"09:24
Nonphasisslackeerb, my nvidia is going already09:24
elmocapri: I don't think so, but I'm not sure to be honest, cd burning in nautilus "just worked" for me09:24
Nonphasisslackeerb, just had to come up with the /etc/modules thing09:25
Nonphasisk3b is the only one that "just works"09:25
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slackeerbNonphasis: for mplayer add this to your apt source list "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main"09:25
Nonphasistoo bad they didn't do it in gtk09:25
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Tsjoklatehi all09:26
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Nonphasisslackeerb, yes, I did, but that is inferior to the compiled one09:26
Tsjoklatedoes anyone know if gtktalog is going to be in the list?09:26
slackeerbNonphasis: true. =P09:26
Nonphasisslackeerb, it can't even resize the window09:26
slackeerbbrb lunch time. um.09:26
Nonphasishaving a package that compiles the fetched source shouldn't even be illegal09:27
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Echylothis is a loveely OS :D09:28
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Nonphasisone thing that has to be said for ubuntu - it's visually pleasing (gnome 2.8 is beautifull)09:31
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Tsjoklatehey Lowe 09:31
Nonphasisprobably the first time someone might choose linux for aesthetics09:31
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Echyloyes its very beatiful09:34
Echylonever tried gnome actually09:34
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Echylobut I just installed it09:34
Echyloand I already love it09:34
Echyloits so clean09:34
Mitariowow lol, how come so many people are already working for canonical, is this a 'community'-buildup enterprise?09:35
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diemango freenode09:39
diemanor am i on oftc09:39
diemani cant remember09:39
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eazel7arachne, you took the name of a web browser09:41
eazel7I used it on a 386 with ADSL09:41
eazel7that 386 had a web server09:42
arachnewtf ? a 386 with adsl ? when ?09:43
Treenakseazel7: that was an ancient DOS based browser, right?09:43
eazel7because I had two computers, this one and the 386, but when I turn off this one, I wanted that the home web server keep alive, so I used pepa for adsl, and it had a webserver for DOS that I can't remember the name09:43
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eazel7Treenaks, not so ancient ;)09:43
diemanKamion: btw, it loaded fine when i booted, its just the installer thats broken09:43
Treenakseazel7: uh.. it was like 1996 or something09:44
diemanKamion: would the dailies be fixed then?09:44
Treenakseazel7: which, according to my reckoning, is ancient ;)09:44
TsjoklateKamion: is gtktalog going to be included?09:44
eazel7Version 1.73  09:44
eazel7Entered-date2004-05-10  09:44
eazel7it's still alive www.arachne.cz09:45
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neighborleeanyone else  having trouble gettting java plugin working ? ( mozilla1.72/firefox)09:47
neighborleeI have it downloaded and symlink is in place in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ( yes i used the *gcc* version) yet still nadda....09:47
tsenghi all09:47
Echyloevery minute09:48
Echyloubuntu is getting closer to become my main OS09:48
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masqueradenetsplit o_O09:51
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neighborleesplit !!!09:52
masqueradebatton down the hatches09:52
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kagouhi guys09:52
eazel7what a heck happened?09:52
masqueradeget ready for reconnection09:52
masqueradenetsplit :D09:52
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neighborleeI have it downloaded and symlink is in place in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ( yes i used the *gcc* version) yet still nadda....09:59
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peteoganyone know how to get totem-xine to use esd?10:01
neighborleepeteog, dunno might be a runtime switch like: --enable-esd < shrug no idea never tried10:02
neighborleeor: man totem10:04
neighborleesorry I just never tried ;(10:04
peteogno worries10:04
peteogit still dies anyways10:05
peteogso many issues with sound10:05
peteogalsa is jsut broke10:05
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peteogesd is the only way i can get it so i can hear gaim sounds when say beep is playing an mp310:05
eazel7what kernel are you using?10:05
Deftpeteog: Totem doesn't give an error if you put esd as the sound output in totem_config, but as for whether it actually takes any notice of it...10:06
lucas_I'm looking for a web check applet packaged in Ubuntu/Debian which allows to check mail in several mbox files10:06
Deftlucas_: other than inbox monitor?10:06
diemanelmo: i got the disk space to fully mirror the cd images too i think10:06
lucas_inbox monitor can't check several mboxes10:06
peteogeazel7, was that question for me?10:06
Deftyou can have more than one10:07
jkdoes anyone use evolution on amd64 and notice that the calendar doesn't work?10:07
eazel7what kernel is ubuntu using?10:07
peteogLinux scully #1 Sat Sep 18 09:49:53 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux10:07
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peteogyeah im a huge X-Files fan :)10:07
eazel7have alsa compiled as module or builtin?10:07
peteogmodule as far as i know.. although its basically just a clean install off the cd.. sound card was just found10:08
jkeazel7: module10:08
eazel7I had troubles with alsa as module10:08
eazel7when it was builtin it worked10:08
eazel7even using alsalib an those10:08
jkit uses a kernel with debian patches btw...10:08
lucas_Deft: yes but you can't know which one is for each mailbox, you just get "No mail No mail No mail" ;)10:09
peteogeazel7, thats interesting..10:09
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MrPiddlzOk I have come back because the fglrx drivers for ubuntu are finally out but I still have no direct rendering.10:10
MrPiddlzCan someone help me with that?10:10
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MrPiddlzplease ;_;10:11
jg_jdub: you around?10:11
eazel7I come from gentoo lands, on the south10:12
eazel7and the gentoo kernel works very nicely10:12
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eazel7but when visited since the sunday the debian lands, I noticed the kernel is very slow10:13
neighborleeI have it downloaded and symlink is in place in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ( yes i used the *gcc* version) yet still nadda....anyone else tried and having similar issues ? ;(10:13
MrPiddlzNo one has an ATI radeon 9600 and more? And actually have gotten direct rendering to work.10:13
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topyliwell, i tried to run ubuntu with a nice framebuffer console today. i ended up with upgrading to sid and then back :)10:16
topylii have a ati 9*** card there10:17
mxpxpodmdz: what does it mean to have sa use bogofilter by default?10:18
topylipoor mans spamassassin?10:18
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LoweHow would i set a theme for root? 10:20
topyliLowe: what is "root" :)10:20
jknm about my question, it didn't appear so obvious to me that i had to turn it on in evolution's left bar10:21
LoweWell when i run something say if i start nautilus with sudo su i get a basic old theme10:21
Echyloare you serious topyli?10:21
jdubjg_: here10:21
Echyloroot is the main user, it can change everything in your OS10:21
kagouMrPiddlz, i have a 9600 M1010:22
topyliEchylo: sure. i haven't been root for years.10:22
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Echyloow :)10:22
jdubmorning all10:22
MrPiddlzkagou did you get direct rendering?10:22
kagoui look10:22
topylihey jdub10:23
topylii just broke ubuntu very badly :)10:23
kagouMrPiddlz, i think yes10:23
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punkassanyone know of an irc room or website for trouble shooting harddrive issues..?10:24
kagouMrPiddlz, you have installed restricted module + put fglrx in /etc/modules and change ati by fglrx in Xfree config ?10:25
Tsjoklateah even the wallpaper I made looks nice now :)10:25
Tsjoklatevery happy customer on this end10:25
punkassas soon as i plug my secondary harddrive in i get all sorts of boot errors.. it says everything is Read-Only10:25
TsjoklateUbuntu all the way10:25
MrPiddlzOk kagou all I did was install the packages from the package manager.10:25
TsjoklateI have ATI up and running, 3d and all.. didn't do anything special10:25
Tsjoklatejust rebuilt a new kernel10:25
topyliTsjoklate: put the wallpaper on cirulation then, if it looks good10:25
MrPiddlzThen edited the XF86Config file and put "fglrx" where it needs to be like how I did in slack.10:25
Tsjoklateyou think so?10:26
kagouyou must load the module too10:26
MrPiddlzBut what is this "restricted module + and put fglrx in /etc/modules" O.o?10:26
MrPiddlzLoad it?10:26
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MrPiddlzI type modprobe "fglrx" and it says it can't find the module.10:26
SlackeerbAnyone a link to "how-to" installing java?10:27
topylijdub: look back at what i just said if you're logging. i had bad framebuffed experiences.10:27
TsjoklateI'll put it on gnome-look this arvo when I get up10:27
DeftSlackeerb: there are some 1.5 packages, I think the ubuntu site has a link10:27
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kagouMrPiddlz, apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-
MrPiddlzk then10:27
TsjoklateI only have one big problem10:27
SlackeerbDeft: huh. lol...10:27
Tsjoklatewhen I click properties of a mp3 file it gives me errors10:27
kagouit contain fglrx module compiled for the standart kernel provided by ubuntu10:27
MrPiddlzkagou what are restricted modules by the way. I just want to know.10:27
DeftMrPiddlz: there are instructions for ATI drivers as well...10:28
Slackeerbjdub: what was that site you gave me for installing java? I could sure use it again.10:28
kagoucontains nvidia and ATI modules10:28
kagouand a few others10:28
MrPiddlzDeft where are the instructiongs O.o?10:28
topylirtfm :)10:28
kagouthanks topyli :/10:29
Tsjoklateit reads: There was an error while trying to create the view named `Audio/Video': System exception: IDL"omg.org/CORBA/COMM_Failure:1.010:29
mdzmxpxpod: bogofilter is a spam filtering package10:29
Tsjoklatedoes anyone know what that means and how I can fix it?10:29
MrPiddlzThank you kagou!!10:30
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siretartis there a netinst available? i dont want to download the whole 600mb image10:30
MrPiddlzwhoo hoo!10:30
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mxpxpodmdz: and evo on ubuntu uses that instead of sa?10:31
kagounp MrPiddlz :)10:31
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topyliTsjoklate: can you play the files?10:32
mdzmxpxpod: yes10:32
mxpxpodmdz: what if sa is installed?10:32
mdzmxpxpod: I'm unsure of the status of the implementation; that's why my comment on the bug was phrased as a question :-)10:33
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mxpxpodmdz: ah, ok10:33
Tsjoklatetopyli: yes10:33
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Tsjoklateplays fine10:33
Tsjoklatein totem and rhytm10:33
mxpxpodjdub: why did you choose bogofilter over sa?10:33
topyliTsjoklate: so, it's just a file association problem. let's fix it.10:34
Tsjoklatetopyli: sounds great.. how? :)10:34
jdubmxpxpod: due to a serious misbalance in rules vs. sucks.10:34
topyliTsjoklate: right click a file. what do you see=10:35
Slackeerbi cant seem to find a java guide on the wiki site. =(10:35
Caprisiretart: no. Ubuntus standard install need at least all those packages10:35
Tsjoklatelots of things?10:35
DeftSlackeerb: the hard way: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian10:36
topylilike "open with..."?10:36
siretartCapri: oh. ic. but, I just found that netboot/mini.iso. whats that for?10:36
Tsjoklateopen with, open in a new window, open with music player open with another app, cut/copy file, make link copy link 10:36
Tsjoklateyeah see that10:36
Tsjoklateopen with other app10:36
topyliTsjoklate: but no ready-made alternatives?10:37
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Tsjoklateopen with totem, open in new window, open with music player, open with other app10:37
Tsjoklatethose are myoptions10:38
SlackeerbDeft: i dont get how to download the sdk to /var/install/java/
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topyliand totem or "music player" work?10:38
Caprisiretart: really? mmh. I didn't know that but the standard installer of Ubuntu brings no option which packages will be installed.10:38
DeftSlackeerb: the (untried by me) easier http://z42.de/debian/10:38
Lowewhen is ubuntu gonna make some tshirts! i want a tshirt lol10:38
Tsjoklatethey both work topy10:39
topyliLowe: yes we need them badly10:39
Caprisiretart: so best you choose with netinstall the expert mode to get package selection10:39
topyliTsjoklate: so all we need is a default?10:39
DeftLowe: there can't be T-shirts when there still isn't a mascot!10:39
TsjoklateI suppose10:39
SlackeerbDeft: much easier. thx. =)10:39
TsjoklateI probably should install xmms?10:39
siretartCapri: ok. i'll try. thanks.10:40
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topylijdub: HELP US!10:40
mxpxpodjdub: so, I don't need sa installed...10:40
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CapriDeft: why not? ubuntu has a logo for t-shirts ;)10:40
jdubmxpxpod: the evo spam stuff still uses SA10:40
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Tsjoklateshould I install xmms and use that for default?10:40
jdubDeft, Capri: there will be a tshirt comp starting sometime this week10:41
topyliTsjoklate: let me see if it even works for me, i haven't tried, just remembered =)10:41
mxpxpodjdub: ok... so explain to me this bogofilter hack you did...10:41
Tsjoklatetopyli: alrighty :)10:41
jdubmxpxpod: it's not present10:41
Deftjdub: but where's the logo? I vote for a little known and unpronounceble mammal10:41
mxpxpodjdub: oh, ok10:41
Deftdamn, mascot10:41
jdubno mascot10:42
Caprijdub: nice10:42
topyliTsjoklate: totem starts right away10:42
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Tsjoklateyes that's the default10:42
Slackeerbjdub: do you still have that java link you sent me yesturday? =)10:42
CapriDeft: what's a mammal?10:42
jdubi don't think i had a java link10:42
Tsjoklatedon't think I want totem to be default too10:43
Slackeerbjdub: lol sorry maybe it was someone eles. =)10:43
TsjoklateI really think I should get xmms