[12:01] <plovs> I *really like this distro this is the first time I had a completely working mono-install without any problems
[12:02] <sabdfl> plovs: is mono in universe?
[12:02] <violajack> has anyone here had problems with an ibook waking from sleep?
[12:02] <azeem> sabdfl: yes, but severly outdated AFAIK
[12:02] <sabdfl> if you can arrange someone to upload fresh packages, i'm sure mdz will consider them
[12:02] <sabdfl> night all
[12:03] <plovs> sabdfl, it is in: deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./
[12:03] <Kamion> plovs: he just left, send mail to ubuntu-devel I think
[12:05] <plovs> Kamion, ah well, good for him, we should be asleep not pounding keyboards
[12:09] <jordi> hey neuro
[12:09] <azeem> jordi: heh, just thought the same
[12:09] <Mithrandir> hi jordi
[12:09] <jordi> hi
[12:09] <azeem> but judging from the host, I doubt it's *the* neuro
[12:10] <jordi> 00:10 [OPN]  -!-  ircname  : neuro on the latitude
[12:10] <jordi> I guess you're right. :)
[12:10] <jordi> hi tollef
[12:15] <neuro|laptop> if you think i'm ryan murray, i'm not
[12:28] <jono> hi all
[12:28] <Kosai> 'lo.
[12:29] <jono> anyone know of an mp3 encoder in ubuntu that can be used by the sound juicer?
[12:30] <azeem> jono: there are none, due to legal issues, AFAIK
[12:30] <jono> azeem, oh I see
[12:31] <housetier> you could encode to ogg
[12:31] <jono> housetier, I can, but its for my iRiver and using ogg will not allow me to use the database on the device
[12:32] <housetier> you can install one by source I guess
[12:33] <Deft> jono: I'd still use ogg, but hey; you can get mad from the universe I think, although you'd need to check if it's gstreamer0.8-mad or libmad you want, I can't remember
[12:33] <Mitario> nn all!
[12:36] <jono> Deft, mad?
[12:37] <Deft> or maybe I'm just wrong...
[12:42] <jono> is there an ubuntu non-free?
[12:42] <Deft> sorry, not paying attention at all, would lame do? "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main"
[12:43] <jono> Deft, I need it for ppc
[12:43] <Deft> ah
[12:43] <Deft> "deb-src ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main" then?
[12:43] <Deft> sorry, I'm not really awake enough for this
[12:44] <jono> Deft, no probs, thanks anyway
[12:49] <jono> is the universe just debian unstable?
[12:49] <yojimbo-san> basically yes -it's a snapshot of sid at some $time prior to a version release
[12:50] <Kamion> jono: basically, yes; only main right now, although we were discussing that at the technical board meeting earlier
[12:50] <jono> Kamion, cool, so may non-free be made available
[12:51] <jono> Kamion, its worrying me a little that I may not be able to use debian packages in ubuntu
[12:51] <Kamion> jono: at some point soonish that will probably happen, yes, although there's still a bit of debate about the implementation
[12:51] <jono> ahh right
[12:52] <jono> Kamion, so is the idea that when Ubuntu upgrades to a new version, a simple dist-upgrade will get everyone up to date?
[12:52] <punkass> i am in the process of doing a fresh Dell XP install for someone....what i giant pain in my ass.
[12:52] <Kamion> jono: right
[12:52] <punkass> I had to update windows update....
[12:53] <Kamion> jono: if anything more is needed there'll be a warty->hoary upgrade tool or whatever and it'll be announced, but hopefully it shouldn't be too involved
[12:53] <jono> Kamion, right
[12:53] <punkass> and the special "Dell XP" disc didnt even find the network card....
[12:53] <punkass> sorry just had to vent.. :)
[12:53] <jono> Kamion, it would b e cool to do a simple upgrade to everything
[12:53] <jono> neuro|laptop, yo
[12:54] <jono> neuro|laptop, how goes it dude?
[12:54] <neuro|laptop> jono: good mate, good
[12:54] <jono> Kamion, will the upgrade include universe software?
[12:54] <neuro|laptop> jono: settling into my new job at lumison :)
[12:54] <jono> neuro|laptop, new job?
[12:54] <Kamion> neuro|laptop: quite, but count the number of Debian developers on the Ubuntu team ;)
[12:54] <Kamion> jono: sure, universe will be resynced
[12:54] <neuro|laptop> Kamion: :)
[12:55] <jono> Kamion, surely the dependencies in universe must be huge?
[12:55] <Kamion> jono: correct, which is why it's hard to recommend using Debian packages
[12:55] <Kamion> jono: we get away with it because we rebuild the entirety of universe from source
[12:55] <jono> Kamion, right
[12:55] <jdub> GOOD MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS!
[12:56] <neuro|laptop> jono: yeah, check my blog, third post down
[12:56] <jono> morning jdub :)
[12:56] <jono> neuro|laptop, cool
[12:56] <jono> Kamion, is ubuntu going to allow newer packages to be installed in between releases?
[12:57] <Kamion> jono: the hoary development repository will be open during development, if that's what you mean
[12:57] <Zappa_> is there an apt souce i can add that will give me packages such as KDE?
[12:57] <jono> Kamion, ahhh right, so if a new version of Blender comes out and is added to debian unstable, I assume it will be in the hoary repo?
[12:58] <neuro|laptop> tis saucy, no?
[12:58] <jono> the Linux Format review will reflect this :)
[12:58] <neuro|laptop> :))
[12:58] <neuro|laptop> i did an install on a dell powerapp last night
[12:58] <neuro|laptop> easy peasy lemon squeasy
[12:58] <Kamion> Zappa_: universe; yadda yadda unsupported yadda :)
[12:58] <Zappa_> pfft
[12:58] <Zappa_> i just want an easy way to install kopete
[12:58] <Kamion> Zappa_: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[12:58] <punkass> neuro: how about lid actions and power management
[12:59] <neuro|laptop> lid actions?
[12:59] <jono> Kamion, did you get a chance to look at those questions I mailed you btw?
[12:59] <Zappa_> unless you can suggest another IM client that doesn't suck major ass 
[12:59] <Kamion> jono: yep, AIUI hoary universe will roll along with Debian sid until the UpstreamVersionFreeze
[12:59] <conekg> did anyone manage to use pppd and modem to connect to the net with ubuntu?
[12:59] <punkass> close the lid, screen goes out...
[12:59] <punkass> open the lid, resume desktop
[12:59] <neuro|laptop> you must be mistaking a powerapp for a laptop :)
[01:00] <neuro|laptop> tis a 1U appliance-like PIII server
[01:00] <Kamion> jono: hm, no, totally snowed under, I'll try to get back to you soon though
[01:00] <punkass> oh haha sorry i did read it wront
[01:00] <neuro|laptop> :)
[01:00] <punkass> wrong*
[01:00] <jono> Kamion, this process sounds good - have a freeze on hoary to get ready - would'nt surprise me if Debian takes this route at some point
[01:01] <jono> Kamion, I realise you are busy dude, thanks for bearing it in mind though :)
[01:01] <punkass> Kamion: great distro by the way..very smooth
[01:01] <jono> jdub, ping
[01:02] <neuro|laptop> ah woo, found it
[01:02] <neuro|laptop> william@ottman ~ $ cat /etc/issue
[01:02] <neuro|laptop> Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" \n \l
[01:02] <Kamion> punkass: ta :)
[01:03] <jono> I am looking forward to X.org hopefully entering ubuntu at some point - are some packages packaged seperately from debian main - the X strike force seems to be slower with this regard
[01:03] <neuro|laptop> oh yeah, it did this ...
[01:03] <neuro|laptop> Badness in device_release at drivers/base/core.c:85
[01:03] <neuro|laptop> with a panic-like trace dumped to dmesg
[01:04] <neuro|laptop> Device 'i823650' does not have a release() function, it is broken and must be fixed.
[01:04] <jdub> i'm here
[01:04] <tuppa> morning jdub
[01:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> jomohke_: hoary will feature Xorg
[01:05] <jono> jdub, will you have time over the next day or so to answer a few q's for the Linux Format review of Ubuntu?
[01:05] <jono> Hrdwr_BoB, cool
[01:05] <yojimbo-san> tuppa, you still had one ceated :-)
[01:06] <ish> with acpi, should my laptop 'sleep' when the lid is shut? it does with apm, but so far the only thing that happens is xscreensaver kicks in.
[01:06] <yojimbo-san> I had one (used but spare) partition on my iMac last night, used ubunto to delete and "use" it, and got /boot, / and swap ... cool.
[01:09] <jdub> jono: sure
[01:10] <jono> jdub, cheers, I will send them tomorrow :)
[01:10] <jono> right, off to bed
[01:10] <jono> later folks
[01:10] <neuro|laptop> nn jono
[01:10] <jono> cheers Kamion, jdub :)
[01:10] <jono> neuro|laptop, later man, enjoy the new job :D
[01:10] <neuro|laptop> :)
[01:20] <jeedee> Anyone remember by heart when the next release is due?
[01:21] <Keybuk> Warty? October 15th :-)
[01:21] <tvon|x31> For the life of me I can't get nautilus to use gedit when opening text files, it still uses gvim (which I set originally)
[01:21] <Keybuk> Hoary should be on-or-near April 15th
[01:21] <Keybuk> with preview in March
[01:21] <keifer> cool
[01:22] <keifer> has anyone had any luck installed kde from the universal repository? I get dependency errors.
[01:22] <tvon|x31> in fact, I cant change the preferred editor at all, when I set it,close it and re-open the prefereed applications window it always has the same settings
[01:22] <tvon|x31> hrm
[01:23] <Keybuk> tvon|x31: sounds like gconf has broken ... if you logout and make sure there's no gconf process running, then login again, does it work?
[01:23] <tvon|x31> Keybuk: lemme give that a whilr
[01:23] <jeedee> Thank you Keybuk :)
[01:23] <jeedee> I think ill wait for this release since ubuntu won't install on any of my 3 machines
[01:24] <Kamion> Keybuk: October 13th
[01:25] <michel_v_> Keybuk: that's not enough
[01:25] <michel_v_> steps needed would be logout, bonobo-slay, log back in
[01:25] <Keybuk> michel_v_: bonobo-slay was GNOME 1.4 era
[01:25] <Keybuk> we're on 2.8 now :p
[01:26] <michel_v_> still works in 2.8, believe it or not
[01:26] <Keybuk> gconfd isn't a bonobo process in 2.8; so bonobo-slay won't kill it
[01:26] <Keybuk> about the only thing it should kill is evo
[01:27] <subterrific> jeedee: if you know what is wrong, submit a bug report. thats the whole point of having a preview
[01:27] <michel_v_> oh yeah. I'm not sure wat I used bonobo-slay for, last time :p
[01:27] <jeedee> Don't worry I will
[01:27] <chutwig> slaying bonobo monkeys
[01:27] <chutwig> how cruel
[01:27] <jeedee> The only problem I havent solved yet is the grub hang
[01:27] <Keybuk> I tend to just login as myself on the console and KILL -TERM -1
[01:28] <michel_v_> another step could be rm /tmp/gconfd-youruser
[01:28] <Keybuk> jeedee: amd64?
[01:28] <michel_v_> (-rf)
[01:29] <jeedee> Yes
[01:30] <jeedee> How did you know Keybuk?
[01:30] <tvon> Okay, I fired up gnome-default-applications-properties from the CLI, and when I try to change editor preference it spits an error:
[01:30] <tvon> libgnomevfs-WARNING **: Deprecated function.  User modifications to the MIME database are no longer supported.
[01:30] <tvon> so, there we go
[01:30] <Keybuk> jeedee: I've heard about it before
[01:30] <jeedee> Oh
[01:31] <Keybuk> tvon: changing the text editor preference?
[01:31] <jeedee> Thought you had a solution for me :)
[01:31] <tvon> Keybuk: yup
[01:31] <Keybuk> tvon: oh, wow, that's *special*;  please file a bug :p
[01:31] <tvon> Keybuk: aight ;)
[01:31] <subterrific> i don't think thats a bug
[01:31] <jeedee> It's not :)
[01:31] <chutwig> not a bug with ubuntu, at least
[01:31] <subterrific> thats the gnome 2.8 mime type database
[01:32] <Keybuk> subterrific: it's also the gnome 2.8 preferred applications capplet :p
[01:32] <jeedee> I need to find a fix for emachines laptop, I tried to load ubuntu on a bunch of em and it messed up
[01:32] <subterrific> which is depricated
[01:32] <Keybuk> subterrific: it isn't?
[01:32] <subterrific> all the functionality is moved in to nautilus
[01:32] <Keybuk> no, you're misunderstanding the capplet
[01:32] <Keybuk> this isn't the evil nasty one that got removed
[01:32] <Keybuk> this is the one that lets you pick your web browser, mail client and terminal app
[01:33] <subterrific> oh right, not the mime one
[01:33] <Keybuk> and has a panel for text editor too, which of course is broken by the new mime stuff; the other three are still valid settings as they change URI handling
[01:33] <tvon> So should I file it in ubuntu or upstream?
[01:33] <subterrific> well just for the record, mime handling in ubuntu seems to be broken
[01:34] <Keybuk> tvon: either; we'd file it upstream if you filed it with us
[01:34] <chutwig> i dunno, smells like an upstream problem to me
[01:34] <subterrific> when i add an application to Open With, i'm not able to select it
[01:34] <Keybuk> it's just the Text Editor pane that's broken there ... the other three still work
[01:34] <tvon> Yeah, they do
[01:34] <subterrific> it works fine on my gentoo box with gnome 2.8
[01:34] <subterrific> maybe they fixed it though
[01:35] <Keybuk> subterrific: can you file a bug on that?
[01:35] <subterrific> Keybuk: yeah, i think someone else beat me to it cause we were talking about it last night, but i'll double check
[01:35] <Keybuk> I just did an Open With on a text file, put gvim in, and it appeared in the right-mouse menu ok
[01:36] <subterrific> Keybuk: but can you select it as the default?
[01:36] <seb128> what's the problem ?
[01:36] <axe9dotcom> What The Hell Did This OS Do To My COMPUTER!
[01:36] <Keybuk> subterrific: yup, works fine
[01:36] <subterrific> hrm
[01:36] <seb128> the default apps has been fixed with gnome-vfs 2.8.1 today
[01:36] <axe9dotcom> Rather, why the fuck isn'tm y hard drive working!
[01:36] <chutwig> i don't know, keep making vague allusions to the problem and blaming ubuntu and we'll figure it out in a jiffy
[01:37] <axe9dotcom> >:(
[01:37] <axe9dotcom> I've been going aroudn and around with people herer for 2 days!
[01:37] <chutwig> saying your hard drive doesn't work could be one of a million things
[01:37] <seb128> subterrific: mime handling is not broken in ubuntu afaik
[01:37] <mwh_> hello, im looking for libgtkembedmoz anyone know in which package that might be?
[01:37] <seb128> subterrific: upstream code was broken until this morning
[01:38] <mwh_> I tried installing mozilla-dev ... but it did not contain this library
[01:38] <chutwig> plus i feel obligated to remind you that this is a preview release and things are liable to not work
[01:38] <Keybuk> mwh_: if it's installed on your system; dpkg -S libgtkembedmoz will tell you that
[01:38] <chutwig> mwh_: sounds like it has to do with epiphany
[01:38] <Keybuk> otherwise the Contents files on the FTP site will...
[01:38] <Kamion> it's the parted thing; didn't somebody point to a how-to-fix-it-up URL at suse.com earlier today?
[01:38] <axe9dotcom> I just switched the master-slave relationships to my hard drives, to have my system boot from my XP drive. Guess what. IT DOESN'T WORK!
[01:38] <Keybuk> (and for the record, it's in either mozilla-browser or mozilla-firefox but hidden in the /usr/lib/mozilla* directories)
[01:38] <jeedee> axe9dotcom did you clear your mbr
[01:38] <axe9dotcom> Eh?
[01:38] <chutwig> axe9dotcom: so do fdisk /mbr from the recovery console in XP
[01:38] <jeedee> and just for the record, are you running on an amd64
[01:39] <mwh_> Keybuk: thanks found it in /usr/lib/mozilla
[01:39] <Keybuk> axe9dotcom: XP really doesn't like you doing that
[01:39] <axe9dotcom> no
[01:39] <axe9dotcom> I'm on a PIII
[01:39] <jeedee> ok
[01:39] <calc> jeedee: known problems with amd64?
[01:39] <chutwig> put the XP CD in, start from it, run the recovery console
[01:39] <jeedee> With grub, yes
[01:40] <chutwig> do an fdisk /mbr
[01:40] <jeedee> Tested on several amd64 machines
[01:40] <chutwig> or fixmbr or whatever the command is in there
[01:40] <calc> i'm running amd64 pure64/winxp on my laptop with no issues
[01:40] <axe9dotcom> Also, somethign is wrong with my disk, and every time I try to run the repair tool, it says there's a file missing, and freezes
[01:40] <calc> jeedee: iirc the main issue is when you have more than 4gb ram on grub
[01:40] <tvon> seb128: just read the scrollback about the pref apps being fixed.  I also just finished filing the bug, sorry :)
[01:40] <jeedee> I got 512mb
[01:40] <seb128> tvon: np :)
[01:40] <jeedee> I tried on a emachines laptop (amd64) too and I need like 5 parameters in grub to get to the second installation stage
[01:41] <calc> jeedee: the emachines with a newer kernel will work except for the keyboard
[01:41] <Keybuk> axe9dotcom: dual-booting Linux and XP when they're on separate drives *is* possible.  The best way to do it is install Windows on the primary drive, then swap them so it's the slave and install Linux on the new primary drive with grub in the MBR.  Then add a record for the Windows drive with "map (hd0) (hd1); map (hd1) (hd0)" in it to swap the drives around so Windows thinks it's booting from the primary drive when really isn't
[01:41] <calc> jeedee: i worked with lenb to get the other issues resolved over the past ~ 8mo
[01:42] <Cardador> Keybuk: windows is dumb ;)
[01:42] <jeedee> We plugged in a usb keyboard instead, then there was the vga=771 for the screen and then nolapic to make it past hdd checking
[01:42] <Kamion> calc: I think I forgot to ask last time; is the *HCI controller on that system definitely in discover1-data?
[01:42] <axe9dotcom> Keybuk: Tried that
[01:42] <axe9dotcom> keybuk: doesn't work
[01:42] <Keybuk> axe9dotcom: how far does booting Windows get?
[01:42] <calc> Kamion: iirc yes
[01:42] <axe9dotcom> not at all
[01:42] <calc> the issue with the keyboard is it doesn't detect the ports at all, very very odd
[01:42] <Cardador> axe9dotcom: your partition table probably is messed up
[01:42] <axe9dotcom> Linux isn't even seeing my other drive
[01:43] <axe9dotcom> not a partition
[01:43] <axe9dotcom> two completely sepparate hard drives
[01:43] <Keybuk> isn't seeing it at all?  what's in /var/log/dmesg for it?
[01:43] <calc> i wouldn't be surprised if its some kind of acpi issue, the arima acpi dsdt was seriously fucked
[01:43] <axe9dotcom> :|
[01:43] <Kamion> Keybuk: it's the parted c/h/s issue on 2.6
[01:43] <Keybuk> axe9dotcom: that sounds more like you've snagged the cable, or possibly not plugged it in properly, or got the jumpers wrong, or some other internal issue when swapping the drives around
[01:43] <axe9dotcom> NO!
[01:43] <Kamion> AFAIK
[01:43] <jeedee> The machine booted with vga=771 noacpi nolapic
[01:44] <calc> Keybuk: wrt keyboard normally you see something like:
[01:44] <axe9dotcom> no
[01:44] <calc> Sep  2 22:44:02 calc-amd64 kernel: serio: i8042 AUX port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12
[01:44] <calc> Sep  2 22:44:02 calc-amd64 kernel: serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1
[01:44] <calc> with the arima laptop and uhci not compiled in directly it doesn't see that
[01:44] <Keybuk> Kamion: ?
[01:44] <axe9dotcom> I've had it opened up a few times, and I finally got pissed, andnow it's just open
[01:44] <SCube> Where can I download the smaller net install iso?
[01:45] <Kamion> Keybuk: bug #1566, see parted changelog
[01:45] <Keybuk> axe9dotcom: if you just put the Windows disk in, as primary master, on its own, does it boot?
[01:45] <Kamion> SCube: there isn't one for Ubuntu, sorry
[01:45] <axe9dotcom> though, with this fucking case, I have to take out the fucking powersupply every time I wanna do anythign at all with the hdds
[01:45] <axe9dotcom> no
[01:45] <axe9dotcom> doesn't even see a hard drive
[01:45] <Keybuk> Kamion: ouch :-/
[01:45] <axe9dotcom> er...
[01:45] <SCube> I thought I read something about one.  I guess I'll just have to wait out the full download.
[01:45] <axe9dotcom> wait..
[01:45] <axe9dotcom> I never tried putting in the windows hdd by it'sself..
[01:46] <jeedee> -_-
[01:46] <Zappa_> is there an apt-command to list all currently installed packages
[01:46] <Kamion> Keybuk: somebody earlier noted http://portal.suse.com/sdb/en/2004/05/fhassel_windows_not_booting91.html
[01:46] <Kamion> Zappa_: dpkg -l
[01:47] <Kamion> SCube: if you find where you read that, let me know; it's possible there are some references left over
[01:47] <Keybuk> axe9dotcom: seems a good idea to also check fdisk on the disk and make sure the partition table is correct.
[01:48] <axe9dotcom> aaand...
[01:48] <axe9dotcom> How do I do that?
[01:48] <axe9dotcom> I got Ubuntu because every body said it was really newbie friendly
[01:48] <jeedee> using it is newbie friendly, getting it to work is something else ^_-
[01:50] <axe9dotcom> >.<
[01:50] <axe9dotcom> this is fucked up..
[01:50] <Zappa_> thank you Kamion 
[01:51] <axe9dotcom> Ok
[01:51] <axe9dotcom> I need a list of thing sI cantry
[01:51] <axe9dotcom> so I don't have to keep booting this slow ass OS every time I need to try something else
[01:51] <Kamion> axe9dotcom: have you looked at http://portal.suse.com/sdb/en/2004/05/fhassel_windows_not_booting91.html?
[01:52] <Kamion> and does it match your problem?
[01:53] <axe9dotcom> ah..
[01:53] <axe9dotcom> one min
[01:53] <axe9dotcom> hey
[01:54] <axe9dotcom> if I installed somethign like RedHat, or Suse, would the new config files be enough to get back windows w/o having to download a new windows thing, and burning it?
[01:54] <axe9dotcom>  no, it doesnot
[01:54] <axe9dotcom> That's caused because of bad partitioning
[01:55] <axe9dotcom> my OSs are on two unique drives
[01:55] <Kamion> they're still on partitions
[01:55] <axe9dotcom> er..
[01:55] <axe9dotcom> yeha i guess...
[01:55] <axe9dotcom> Oh
[01:55] <Kamion> it's possible that partman decided to rewrite the partition table on the Windows drive
[01:56] <Kamion> I don't know if it did or not, but it's possible
[01:56] <axe9dotcom> When I switched around the disks, it showed my 80GB (76GB) drive as drive two
[01:58] <axe9dotcom> so, if I changed the windows boot profile to boot from 2.2 woudl it work?
[01:59] <Keybuk> Kamion: his partition table looks intact
[01:59] <Kamion> Keybuk: I don't know what the failure mode looks like; I don't think it's "total pile of cheese" or anything
[02:00] <axe9dotcom> cheese?
[02:00] <Keybuk> windows is generally ok as long as the front of the disk doesn't move about too much fwir
[02:01] <axe9dotcom> fwir?
[02:01] <Keybuk> from what I recall
[02:01] <Keybuk> sorry, is just past 1am here :)
[02:01] <jdub> Keybuk: reading d-d-l?
[02:02] <Keybuk> axe9dotcom: yeah, it could simply be Windows being thick or too intelligent for its own good, depending on your view point ... 
[02:02] <Keybuk> telling it to boot from the "second" drive, even when swapped back the way round they should be, might work
[02:03] <Keybuk> jdub: no?
 so, if I changed the windows boot profile to boot from 2.2 woudl it work?
[02:04] <Keybuk> axe9dotcom: maybe
[02:05] <Keybuk> it sounds feasible
[02:05] <axe9dotcom> So
[02:06] <axe9dotcom> Should I try that, and then try taking out the linux drive?
[02:06] <jdub> Keybuk: about-me dialogue, applets discussion (hal, etc), applets for dynamic device mount/unmount, etc. :)
[02:06] <Keybuk> heh
[02:07] <axe9dotcom> oh, what';s the command i use to edit the menu.lst file?
[02:08] <Keybuk> jdub: I'll have to catch up tomorrow after engineer's installed new router
[02:10] <jdub> ahr
[02:10] <jdub> badness :|
[02:11] <whiprush> schweeb: hey that guy ever fix his laptop sound issue?
[02:19] <axe9dotcom> Kamion: what was the command oyu gave me the other day that allowed me to edit the mene.lst file?
[02:20] <tseng> hi
[02:21] <schweeb> whiprush: yea
[02:21] <schweeb> parport_pc again
[02:22] <unshavenyak> Ack, I'm getting an error upon trying to log into gnome... the message is: unable to read /home/ryan/.ICEauthority
[02:22] <unshavenyak> any ideas?
[02:23] <|trey|> unshavenyak: remove the file... it will be recreated
[02:23] <axe9dotcom> SHIT!
[02:23] <axe9dotcom> ARGH!
[02:23] <unshavenyak> thank you
[02:23] <axe9dotcom> I CLOSED THE WINDOW!
[02:23] <axe9dotcom> hey, does this autolog?
[02:23] <|trey|> axe9dotcom: good job... don't yell
[02:24] <axe9dotcom> sorry :s
[02:24] <axe9dotcom> *cries*
[02:24] <axe9dotcom> oh!
[02:24] <axe9dotcom> nm
[02:24] <axe9dotcom> it's on the clip bord ^^'
[02:25] <unshavenyak> problem solved, thank you trey
[02:25] <|trey|> GNOME folks need to work on their clipboard!!
[02:25] <|trey|> Close an application, and whatever was put on the clipboard is gone too  :/
[02:26] <|trey|> I remember something set up a daemon that would remember... cept I guess everyone in the gnome project ignored it  :/
[02:26] <unshavenyak> umm, anyone know the name of the show desktop and trash applets? 
[02:26] <unshavenyak> they no longer are on the system :/
[02:27] <|trey|> unshavenyak: trashapplet and gnome-applets are the packages containing them... is that what you mean?
[02:27] <unshavenyak> yup, thanks trey
[02:27] <|trey|> try apt-get install --reinstall <those_pkgs>
[02:28] <|trey|> unshavenyak: yw  :)
[02:28] <unshavenyak> now the irony was
[02:28] <unshavenyak> I was going to make a norton ghost image of my ubuntu setup
[02:28] <unshavenyak> and then I went to log in and that happened
[02:28] <unshavenyak> I love irony
[02:28] <JanneM> where are the daily snapshot cd:s?
[02:29] <JanneM> ugh
[02:29] <JanneM> sorry
[02:29] <JanneM> that's what the default download links point to, right...
[02:30] <axe9dotcom> title           Windows XP
 rootnoverify    (hd1,0)
 map             (hd0) (hd1)
 map             (hd1) (hd0)
 makeactive
 chainloader     +1
[02:30] <|trey|> grrr @ floods  [angryface] 
[02:31] <Britt> jdub: approve my devel email! (I sent it from the wrong account ... doh!)
[02:32] <jdub> Britt: did a few seconds ago ;)
[02:33] <jdub> Britt: (btw, TROUBLEMAKER!)
[02:33] <jdub> ;)
[02:34] <Britt> jdub: you rock :) btw, has that been discussed ad nausia before? I thought I might be causing trouble :)
[02:34] <jdub> nah, only before we released the preview
[02:34] <whiprush> jdub: hey you guys need a pastebin also.
[02:34] <jdub> whiprush: TROUBLEMAKER
[02:34] <whiprush> rad
[02:34] <jdub> heh
[02:34] <|trey|> whiprush: #flood works  ;)
[02:34] <jdub> ha ha you are saying rad now
[02:35] <whiprush> Soon you'll be saying def.
[02:35] <|trey|> jdub: oh... I was wondering if you could justify how no root account is more userfriendly? I have been trying to figure it out  :(
[02:35] <Britt> jdub: maybe the decision will be unanimous
[02:36] <|trey|> jdub: was going to change everything from gksudo to gksu, but figured I would listen to reasoning first  :)
[02:37] <whiprush> one password is nice.
[02:37] <|trey|> no root = annoying though... for instance, at a console, apt-get won't work via sudo...
[02:37] <whiprush> ?
[02:37] <whiprush> mine does.
[02:37] <robertj> I think the no root account is more user friendly
[02:38] <whiprush> sudo apt-get install foo
[02:38] <Britt> |trey|: in what scenario is apt-get not working for you?
[02:38] <whiprush> that doesn't work for you?
[02:38] <robertj> it forces you to actually get your privelege elevatiojn in order instead of just telling people to use root
[02:38] <|trey|> whiprush: sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade didn't  :/
[02:38] <whiprush> ah
[02:38] <whiprush> you need another sudo after &&
[02:38] <|trey|> whiprush: blah, more typing  :(
[02:38] <robertj> sudo tells you "I need to make a way to do this from in Gnome"
[02:38] <whiprush> alias it to 's', that's what I do
[02:38] <whiprush> s apt-get install foo
[02:38] <whiprush> etc.
[02:39] <whiprush> you can also sudo -s to get a "root console"
[02:39] <|trey|> whiprush: I usually have an alias upgrade='apt-get update && apt-get upgrade'... could change that... but yeah... I like being root  :)
[02:39] <whiprush> well the point is to not. :p
[02:40] <whiprush> sudo rocks, it's just a different way of thinking.
[02:40] <|trey|> whiprush: justification for that is what I am looking for  :)
[02:40] <robertj> sudo logging is handy
[02:40] <whiprush> like, when you fire someone at work, instead of changing all the dang root passwords, you just delete their account.
[02:40] <whiprush> things like that
[02:40] <subterrific> sudo also leaves a paper trail
[02:40] <whiprush> and instead if a log full of "root did blah" stuff, it's per use
[02:40] <whiprush> yeah, what he said
[02:41] <whiprush> er, per user I meant.
[02:41] <|trey|> I would rather do things for users and have more work to do then give them root privs  :/
[02:41] <GoneBoB> sudo is good
[02:41] <subterrific> to use marketing speak, its accountable
[02:41] <subterrific> or something
[02:41] <|trey|> Users having root is just asking for trouble imo
[02:41] <whiprush> right
[02:41] <GoneBoB> so if you're the sysadmin
[02:41] <whiprush> that's the best part
[02:41] <whiprush> you can granularly assign permissions
[02:41] <GoneBoB> but your manager says you need to give the application manager root
[02:42] <GoneBoB> but he's a dick
[02:42] <GoneBoB> you give him sudo access
[02:42] <whiprush> so on your one box, the db admin can only mess with the db, the web guy can only mess with apache
[02:42] <whiprush> instead of giving root to everyone.
[02:42] <|trey|> whiprush: so you can limit what a user can do with sudo?
[02:42] <whiprush> right
[02:42] <|trey|> whiprush: hmm, how  8-)
[02:42] <whiprush> jes.
[02:43] <|trey|> (if its in the man page, you have permission to tell me to RTFM  8-) )
[02:43] <JanneM> whiprush: while on the subject, how do (or can ?) you specify that a user needs to input password for all things, except for a few, specified commands?
[02:43] <whiprush> hold on, we did an intro to sudo a while back, sec.
[02:43] <whiprush> http://arstechnica.com/etc/linux/2003/linux.ars-10102003.html
[02:43] <whiprush> go down to the sudo bit
[02:44] <JanneM> thanks
[02:44] <|trey|> so far, the lack of root is all I don't like... I have root back... but changing gksudo to gksu will take forever  :/
[02:44] <whiprush> from there the man page makes more sense
[02:44] <whiprush> dude just sudo -s, it's the same thing
[02:44] <ej> How do i edit the applications menu in gnome?
[02:44] <|trey|> whiprush: you work for arstechnica?
[02:44] <whiprush> I do some stuff for them yeah.
[02:45] <|trey|> ej: umm... easiest way... right click on stuff...
[02:45] <|trey|> blah
[02:45] <|trey|> Why do people ask questions then leave? illogical :/
[02:45] <slackeerb> ims till here
[02:45] <slackeerb> sorry
[02:45] <JanneM> whiprush: nah, didn't help
[02:45] <slackeerb> =P
[02:46] <whiprush> JanneM: heh.
[02:46] <JanneM> from what I've seen, it may not actually be possible
[02:46] <|trey|> slackeerb = ej?
[02:46] <whiprush> I think it's possible the other way around
[02:46] <slackeerb> |trey|: yes =). But that didnt help "right clciking" lol
[02:46] <JanneM> ?
[02:46] <slackeerb> brb
[02:47] <|trey|> slackeerb: umm... yeah, normall method in /usr/share/gnome-vfs2/vfolders is applicable too... (I think thats where its at...
[02:47] <whiprush> JanneM: unsure, I just recently moved to sudo-only myself.
[02:47] <JanneM> mm
[02:47] <JanneM> me too
[02:47] <JanneM> time for work
[02:47] <|trey|> slackeerb: umm, what exactly do you want to do... you can add and remove thinks, and change what command they issue via right click...
[02:48] <Zappa_> in networking when i go and try to enable windows file sharing it says i need to install smb support. i checked my package lists and smb stuff seems to be installed, does it mean a kernel module or something?
[02:49] <slackeerb> |trey|: i dont get what you mean. heh. How do i add stuff to the applications menu? And coudl you help me with java? =)
[02:49] <|trey|> slackeerb: blah, minus the -vfs2 bit...
[02:49] <subterrific> slackeerb: right click in the menu
[02:50] <|trey|> slackeerb: right click >> entire menu >> add new item...
[02:50] <housetier> Zappa_, for once you need a kernel module if it is not already compiled into the kernel, you might need the "smbfs" package
[02:50] <Zappa_> okay i'll see if it wants smbfs
[02:51] <slackeerb> when i right click all theres help,remove, and lock
[02:51] <|trey|> slackeerb: no... IN THE APPLICATIONS MENU
[02:52] <|trey|> If you want to add somethign to Accessories... applications >> accessories >> right click >> entire menu >> add new item to this menu
[02:52] <slackeerb> |trey|: sorry! lol its so easy.
[02:52] <Zappa_> nope smbfs didn't do it, do you know what the kernel module is called?
[02:52] <|trey|> slackeerb: yes... don't you feel like a moron  (I would)  :/
[02:53] <slackeerb> |trey|: ya to many years on windoze. =)
[02:53] <|trey|> slackeerb: winblows  :/
[02:53] <slackeerb> |trey|: ah yes winblows. lol. Wonna help me install java or refer me to a guide. =)
[02:53] <|trey|> Think logically, and you really can't go wrong with GNOME  :/
[02:54] <|trey|> Even more so with Ubuntu's menu system  8-)
[02:54] <housetier> Zappa_, the kernel module is also called smbfs
[02:54] <|trey|> housetier: should be enabled already... all he should need to do is mount -t smbfs blah blah
[02:55] <housetier> nahh
[02:55] <housetier> its just point and click 
[02:55] <housetier> (it should be)
[02:55] <|trey|> housetier: if you want to make it harder... sure  :/
[02:56] <housetier> ok you help
[02:56] <|trey|> Debian kernels have smbfs compiled in... what I said ought to work  :/
[02:57] <whiprush> aren't you supposed to use cifs instead of smbfs?
[02:57] <|trey|> mount -t smbfs //some/unc/on/network /somewhere/on/local/fs
[02:57] <|trey|> whiprush: depends if the share is on windows or unix...
[02:57] <whiprush> oh oh
[02:57] <|trey|> smbfs = windows... cifs = unix...
[02:57] <housetier> |trey|, I thought the point was to not use the command line all the time to make it less fearsome for Joe Average
[02:58] <|trey|> housetier: *shrug* some things are easier via cli  :/
[02:58] <housetier> |trey|, I don't think so. Its more how much one is used to cli or gui
[02:58] <|trey|> Even in the windows world, I use cli to mount shares  :/
[02:59] <housetier> that's YOU
[02:59] <housetier> others might find using a gui much easier
[02:59] <|trey|> *shrug* its anyone that knows how  :/
[02:59] <whiprush> wait
[02:59] <whiprush> you want to mount an smb share?
[02:59] <|trey|> whiprush: someone did  :/
[03:00] <whiprush> open up nautilus, file->Connect to server
[03:00] <housetier> |trey|, you should cheer up :)
[03:00] <whiprush> fill in the stuff
[03:00] <whiprush> done and done.
[03:00] <housetier> smile! :D
[03:00] <|trey|> housetier: blah... I don't smile :/
[03:00] <housetier> ok I overstepped a line there, sorry
[03:01] <|trey|> housetier: I also don't help morons... I teach the right way... they can learn the "easy" way from someone else  :/
[03:01] <|trey|> Funny how the "easy" way always has more steps though...
[03:01] <housetier> no that's a contradiction
[03:01] <housetier> now*
[03:02] <|trey|> housetier: EXACTLY my point... the easy way SHOULDN'T take long... but it ALWAYS does...
[03:02] <|trey|> longer*
[03:02] <whiprush> so did the file->connect to server work for you housetier?
[03:03] <housetier> whiprush, no it didnt; in fact it never will
[03:03] <whiprush> o_O?
[03:03] <housetier> whiprush, it wasnt me trying to mount anything
[03:03] <whiprush> oh, sorry
[03:05] <housetier> Zappa_ was having trouble but it got lost in yet another useless fight
[03:06] <whiprush> Zappa_: still around?
[03:06] <subterrific> |trey|: ctrl alt backspace
[03:07] <subterrific> and ctrl alt F1- F6
[03:07] <|trey|> subterrific: rm -rf /
[03:07] <subterrific> or that
[03:08] <Zappa_> sorry yes i'm here
[03:08] <|trey|> Umm, why restart X? I use X to do things that are more logical via a GUI... I do things the fastest way available...
[03:09] <|trey|> For instance... Web Browsing without GPM at least is a pain... web sites are designed for people that have a mouse...
[03:09] <subterrific> so use the command line
[03:09] <whiprush> Zappa_: you wanted to mount a windows share?
[03:09] <|trey|> I DO... for things that make more sense to use a command line...
[03:10] <subterrific> not everyone wants to learn cli for mounting smb, so there is an option
[03:10] <Zappa_> well what i was trying to do was enable the windows file sharing bit in the networking control panel thing, but it says i need to install smb support
[03:11] <Zappa_> but it doesnt really make it clear exactly what it wants installed
[03:11] <housetier> Zappa_, so you wanted to share some file FOR windows users?
[03:11] <whiprush> oh, you mean share a dir on the linux box as a windows share?
[03:11] <Zappa_> both, probably
[03:11] <|trey|> subterrific: ok... like I said, I teach the most logical method... you can teach the brain dead method if you'd like  :/
[03:12] <whiprush> well, the sharing part isn't done graphically just yet, the mounting is though
[03:12] <housetier> logic is still a matter of perception and personal preference, especially when it come to cli vs gui
[03:12] <subterrific> |trey|: its not brain dead, some people are visual. insulting them is brain dead
[03:12] <whiprush> best way to share is to probably google for example smb.conf files and base your shares off of that
[03:13] <|trey|> subterrific: then I'm brain dead... mean while, the dude would have the share mounted by now if he did what I said...
[03:13] <housetier> no he wouldnt
[03:13] <subterrific> |trey|: i'm with you, i use the cli all the time. i can't stand using IDEs for example, i'd much rather use makefiles and gdb on the cli
[03:13] <housetier> there is no share to be mounted
[03:13] <|trey|> housetier: umm... how you figure?
[03:13] <housetier> |trey|, there are directories to be shared
[03:13] <Zappa_> well thanks for your help guys, i'm off to bed now it's late. I'll have a play with it some more tomorrow
[03:14] <|trey|> housetier: blah... smbclient  :/
[03:14] <subterrific> |trey|: maybe i missed it, but you told him how to install samba and configure it?
[03:15] <|trey|> subterrific: umm... gnome-vfs2 requires libsmbclient last I checked  :/
[03:15] <subterrific> he wants to be able to share both ways
[03:16] <housetier> I can't cope with this anymore
[03:17] <|trey|> subterrific: coolies  :/  I didn't even read what he wanted... that should enlighten you to how much I care... they were talking about having to enable smbfs in the kernel, I told them its already there... that was my extent of input until this useless flame...] 
[03:19] <mxpxpod> do I need the raid stuff for a ppc laptop?
[03:21] <subterrific> mxpxpod: probably not
[03:21] <mxpxpod> subterrific: ok
[03:21] <subterrific> that'd be one crazy setup if you were doing raid on a laptop
[03:22] <whiprush> I think alienware offers raid on a laptop
[03:22] <axe9> T_T
[03:22] <mxpxpod> hrmm...
[03:22] <axe9> my brnad new hard drive is dead
[03:22] <mxpxpod> how do I check which package installed what file?
[03:23] <subterrific> whiprush: i'm sure that gets great battery life
[03:23] <axe9> Aight
[03:23] <tvon> dpkg -S file
[03:23] <tvon> mxpxpod: 
[03:23] <axe9> how do I install things on Linux
[03:23] <turnpikewig> alienware laptops are so retarded
[03:23] <whiprush> subterrific: heh, "10 battery modules, expect life, 10 minutes".
[03:23] <whiprush> I think it has a desktop p4 too. @_@
[03:23] <alternawig> that dell XPS laptop is ludicrous
[03:23] <alternawig> it's like a VCR with a screen
[03:23] <tvon> axe9: tin Ubuntu goto the Computer menu-> System Configuration
[03:23] <tvon> axe9: and use Synaptic
[03:24] <subterrific> whiprush: they should call them "Tether"
[03:24] <mxpxpod> also, do I need lvm-common?
[03:24] <whiprush> My friend cals them SULs, sport utility laptops.
[03:26] <subterrific> whiprush: totally, what is with the giant laptops these days. it seems silly to me. i'd rather treat a laptop as a terminal to a powerful desktop
[03:27] <subterrific> i guess people must use them as their main machine, but it seems like a waste of money because they're so under powered and over priced
[03:27] <subterrific> mxpxpod: what are you doing?
[03:28] <subterrific> uninstalling things?
[03:28] <mxpxpod> subterrific: yes
[03:28] <subterrific> ahh
[03:28] <mxpxpod> subterrific: I don't need a billion daemons running on my laptop sucking power
[03:29] <slackeerb> can someone please help me install java. Ive been tryin for atleast an hour now and no luck.
[03:29] <subterrific> ubuntu installs a lot of stuff you probably won't need, but i don't see anything actually running that you don't need
[03:30] <subterrific> slackeerb: it doesn't get much either than this: http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php
[03:30] <subterrific> easier
[03:31] <slackeerb> subterrific: i was looking for that link! Thats what i used last time when i tryed debian a few weeks ago. THANKS!
[03:31] <subterrific> slackeerb: you're welcome
[03:31] <whiprush> subterrific: I'm pricing out a fuji laptop at the moment, it's teeny.
[03:31] <alternawig> hey look, it's whiprush
[03:32] <subterrific> yeah, those crazy japanese make everything as small as possible
[03:32] <schweeb> whiprush: dude, was looking at VAIOs at MicroCenter... those things may suck at linux support, but the LCD was fucking beautiful
[03:32] <whiprush> hmmm, I'm using a deb source for sun java.
[03:32] <subterrific> i've been looking at the really thin IBM laptops
[03:33] <whiprush> the x40 is so awesome
[03:33] <subterrific> whiprush: yeah, its a rip off though. its like $300 worth of hardware for $3K
[03:33] <whiprush> yeah
[03:33] <whiprush> it still rules though
[03:34] <tseng> its like $1500 worth of hardware
[03:34] <tseng> anyway
[03:34] <whiprush> the bummer on the x300 is lack of an optical drive
[03:34] <whiprush> but really, you only need that once.
[03:34] <subterrific> oh, the x300 is what i was thinking of
[03:34] <tseng> whiprush: hah i watch dvds on my laptop every night
[03:34] <tseng> id go nuts
[03:34] <subterrific> the x300 is the 1ghz 20gig HD, paper thin model
[03:34] <whiprush> oh, that too, heh.
[03:35] <schweeb> whiprush: yea, you can't even frigging rip audio CDs w/o an optical drive... think about that... and no burner
[03:35] <whiprush> it has one, just external
[03:35] <whiprush> http://www.laptopsinc.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=AWP2E1A80ED02020&Category_Code=PS2&Product_Count=3
[03:36] <subterrific> jdub: how is the keyboard on the x300, it seemed really hard to use at the sony store
[03:36] <whiprush> I'm hoping that one is my next ubuntu laptop
[03:36] <tvon> which is about the same size as the x300
[03:36] <tvon> also has no drive
[03:36] <punkass> i just tried to add a slave drive to my system and when i do it hangs on boot up...any thoughts?
[03:36] <punkass> i havent added any fstab settings or anything...just connected the drive..its going to be used for a backup drive
[03:36] <subterrific> punkass: can you boot off a cd?
[03:36] <housetier> check ze bios, the jumper settings, maybe ask in #hardware
[03:37] <subterrific> yeah, that could be so many things
[03:37] <slackeerb> subterrific: when i add the line they tell me to add to my apt source, I get an erro when i apt-get update.
[03:37] <punkass_> yup..i can boot of the other drive fine to when the second one isnt plugged in
[03:37] <subterrific> maybe you loosened a cable or something, who knows
[03:38] <whiprush> ugh, my box does that sometimes.
[03:38] <whiprush> check the jumper
[03:38] <whiprush> make sure one isn't on cable select
[03:38] <housetier> slackeerb, what error do you get?
[03:38] <punkass_> yeah already moved them around..even tried another drive
[03:38] <subterrific> punkass: can yourpower supply handle another drive ;)
[03:38] <axe9> Why the hell can' tI install JRE?
[03:38] <punkass_> hehe yeah..its a 300w
[03:39] <subterrific> slackeerb: did you do apt-get update?
[03:39] <slackeerb> ya
[03:39] <slackeerb> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[03:39] <slackeerb> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[03:39] <slackeerb> thats what i egt when i run apt-get update
[03:39] <slackeerb> get*
[03:39] <axe9> hey
[03:40] <slackeerb> axe9 there helping me install jre as we speak
[03:40] <axe9> to install JRe, the instructions say to open the terminal, and type su, then my pass
[03:40] <axe9> however
[03:40] <axe9> it says my pass is wrong
[03:41] <axe9> how the hell do I enable the root user?
[03:41] <chutwig|ubuntu> type sudo -s instead
[03:41] <chutwig|ubuntu> there's no need to enable root
[03:41] <jdub> subterrific: hasn't worried me so far, just forgetting ibook muscle memory
[03:42] <subterrific> woah
[03:43] <axe9> aRGH!
[03:43] <jblack> Hiya. Is there a way to get gnome to start esd with -r 48000 ? 
[03:43] <axe9> Where is the usr/java folder?
[03:45] <whiprush> how are you trying to get java?
[03:45] <jward> Anyone here to discuss some grub oddities after installing ubuntu on my dual boot debian system?
[03:47] <subterrific> the ubuntu smp kernel has some serious issues
[03:47] <whiprush> mine just upgraded tonight
[03:47] <subterrific> i can't go a day without the machine totally locking up or getting too slow to even use a console
[03:48] <subterrific> this machine had a 178 day uptime with fedora core 1 before
[03:48] <whiprush> axe9: are you trying to get java working?
[03:49] <jward> Here's my grub issue (if anyone has a thought), installed ubuntu on a system that has debian on a different partition, with a grub boot already setup, let ubuntuo put it's on version of grub on the MBR, rebooted in my debian and wanted it to take control of the grub boot, so I added ubuntu to my menu.lst, then did a grub-install /dev/hda and it complains and won't install.  Rebooted into ubuntu, did a grub-install no-problems ... didn't find mu
[03:49] <jward> googling.
[03:50] <aitrus> could someone who has it on their system please tell me what package provides libmikmod.so.2
[03:51] <tvon> aitrus: "apt-cache search libmikmod"
[03:51] <jward> aitrus: don't have mine up, but I'm guessing it's the same as the debian one's, i.e. libdevel/libmikmod2-0dev, or sounds/xmms
[03:52] <aitrus> thanks and thanks.
[03:52] <jward> (some mispellsing there, sorry)
[03:53] <tvon> heh
[03:53] <aitrus> finally!!  i found the solution to my own bug!
[03:53] <aitrus> woooo!
[03:53] <tvon> My most frequent commands are "apt-cache search foo" and "apt-get upgrade -uV"
[03:55] <jward> Anyone using ubuntu on a dual boot system, with another distro (and grub?) - if so, did you let ubuntu manage the grub MBR, or your other distro?
[03:56] <axe9> yeah whip
[03:56] <tvon> jward: whatever was installed first manages my grub
[03:56] <tvon> usually
[03:57] <jward> tvon: but the ubuntu installer doesn't give you much choice not to install grub ...  unless I missed the ignore button
[03:57] <tvon> jward: good point...but there should be an 'expert' mode for the installer that you can use
[03:57] <jward> tvon: too late ... now I'm having issues with my debian system doing a grub-install /dev/hda ... quite a bummer - not sure if it's ubuntu related or not
[04:00] <Tsjoklat> hi all
[04:00] <axe9> I got JRE isntalled
[04:00] <axe9> use the instructions on the site
[04:01] <jward> suns site? or somewhere else?
[04:03] <axe9> Suns
[04:03] <axe9> ARGH@
[04:04] <axe9> Why can't I create a file in the usr dir >.>
[04:04] <axe9> I need home/usr/java/ to be there
[04:04] <mojo> good morning all ppl!
[04:04] <axe9> but I can't create the file >.>
[04:04] <mojo> back to the work ^-^
[04:04] <Tsjoklat> wb mojo
[04:05] <mojo> Tsjoklat: I just got up-to-date and it ruins my Workspace Applet, now changing the number of Workspaces won't budge
[04:06] <mojo> Tsjoklat: Can u check the Workspace Applet on ur box? I want to confirm whether it's a bug or not
[04:06] <Tsjoklat> ah ppl were having the same probs yesterday
[04:06] <Tsjoklat> did you reboot?
[04:06] <mojo> yes
[04:06] <mojo> it's weird u know
[04:06] <axe9> How do I install avureus?
[04:06] <mojo> last time it works
[04:06] <axe9> it's not working
[04:06] <Tsjoklat> oh I know
[04:06] <axe9> azureus*
[04:06] <mojo> after installing up-to-date gnome-vfs
[04:06] <mojo> it's done...
[04:07] <Tsjoklat> let me check
[04:07] <Tsjoklat> (I didn't update yet)
[04:09] <Tsjoklat> works for me mojo.. sorry
[04:09] <mojo> Tsjoklat: I see, some few ppl encouter this prob
[04:09] <mojo> Tsjoklat: I will dig the code to see what's wrong
[04:10] <Tsjoklat> I'll keep an eye out to see what is going on with that
[04:11] <mojo> Tsjoklat: I still have some probs installing Intel C Compiler, its in RPM, I use "alien" to convert to deb but it seems not to run after installed, lots of err, you know how to?
[04:12] <Tsjoklat> no I don't, alien should work just fine
[04:13] <Tsjoklat> what kind of errors does it give you?
[04:13] <mojo> segfault
[04:14] <mojo> i think it hasn't linked to some properly lib path
[04:14] <mojo> I have some type probs with installing Maya 6
[04:14] <Tsjoklat> I heard ppl having issues with Maya
[04:15] <mojo> yeah, Maya using alien miss all lib link,
[04:15] <aitrus> is there some other change i'm supposed to make to get the universe archive besides uncommenting those two lines in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[04:15] <subterrific> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1585
[04:15] <subterrific> ;(
[04:15] <subterrific> i've got run now
[04:15] <Tsjoklat> hey sub
[04:15] <subterrific> to
[04:15] <jward> aitrus: apt-get update
[04:15] <subterrific> yo
[04:16] <mojo> FireFox got to 1.0PR now, but Ubuntu hasn't updated it yet, so sad..
[04:16] <Tsjoklat> how is things?
[04:16] <aitrus> i get lots of errors when i do that... =(
[04:17] <aitrus> about index files failing to download
[04:17] <subterrific> good besides this machine not being able to stay up for more that 12 hours
[04:17] <jward> aitrus: what else is uncommented in there?
[04:17] <subterrific> i get the feeling the 2.6.8 kernel is a lemon
[04:17] <aitrus> everything except the comments
[04:17] <axe9> woot woot!
[04:17] <axe9> I'm getting the hang of this terminal..
[04:18] <axe9> finally >.>
[04:18] <jward> aitrus: don't have mine in front of me :( ... but I don't recall having everything uncommented ...
[04:18] <Tsjoklat> why twelve hours?
[04:18] <aitrus> jward: it keeps saying no such file or directory on the restricted stuff
[04:19] <mojo> hey ppl, I got a pal working a Adobe, he said Adobe now is considering to port Adobe Acrobat Reader motif to GTK2+, the plan has been subitted for consideration, happy news
[04:19] <subterrific> Tsjoklat: no idea, but i leave the machine sitting idle and when i come in the next morning its frozen
[04:19] <Tsjoklat> do you have your power savings on?
[04:19] <Tsjoklat> I always disable that
[04:19] <subterrific> nope
[04:19] <subterrific> me too because it never works
[04:19] <Tsjoklat> had the same problem
[04:20] <Tsjoklat> do you  have powertweak installed?
[04:20] <subterrific> and this lock up actually just happened about 10 minutes ago while i was trying to talk to jdub about his laptop
[04:20] <jdub> oh go on
[04:20] <jdub> blame me
[04:20] <Tsjoklat> you are on a lap?
[04:20] <jdub> ;)
[04:20] <subterrific> YOU!
[04:20] <subterrific> Tsjoklat: no, its a desktop
[04:20] <jward> aitrus: can't help you, my laptop (with ubuntu) isn't with me ... are you on the same machine right now (i.e. network connection is up and running?)
[04:20] <subterrific> no powertweak installed
[04:20] <joem> is there an easy way/documentation to install ubuntu from the live cd
[04:21] <aitrus> jward: yup yup
[04:21] <Tsjoklat> taht is the weirdest thing.. mmmm I would still recheck the powersavings again.. just to be abso sure
[04:21] <subterrific> the install is literally the default install, i just use this machine to ssh into our servers
[04:22] <subterrific> Tsjoklat: you mean the powersaving stuff in the screensaver setup?
[04:22] <jward> joem: have you started the install process? it's fairly easy, even for a newbie, unless you are uncomfortable with partitioning a non-empty machine
[04:22] <Tsjoklat> yes
[04:22] <Tsjoklat> you have to check it all.. and push the sliders to the left so it will say: disable
[04:22] <Tsjoklat> that always does the trick for me
[04:23] <subterrific> everything is disabled, the screensaver is set to blank screen only
[04:23] <subterrific> i can try disabling that even
[04:23] <subterrific> but blank screen has never caused me problems
[04:23] <Tsjoklat> oh well then I think you found the problem
[04:23] <joem> jward, It isn't that, the install cd has hardware detection problems and fails, but I can boot fine from the live cd
[04:23] <Tsjoklat> you should be able to disable that
[04:23] <subterrific> ok, i'll try that
[04:24] <Tsjoklat> do you have xscreensaver installed?
[04:24] <subterrific> well yeah, its installed by default right?
[04:24] <Tsjoklat> not sure
[04:25] <Tsjoklat> perhaps reinstall the bugger again? it's too odd that you can't disable it
[04:25] <subterrific> i can
[04:25] <Tsjoklat> it sounds like it is trying to do powersavings of some sort and then kills your box
[04:25] <subterrific> and i just did
[04:25] <jward> joem: I had to disable some usb stuff the first time with the install cd, wasn't happy with my USB hub built in to my monitor, you should be able to do some tweakign with the boot options on the install cd.
[04:25] <subterrific> Tsjoklat: thats what i thought too, but it just did it while i was using the machine
[04:25] <joem> jward, have tried quite a few options, it bails not being able to find a cd rom drive
[04:26] <Tsjoklat> well the powersavings may be set to ten mins.. you don't know do you?
[04:26] <joem> but I will check it out some more
[04:26] <jward> joem: bummer, when did the live CD come out ... I didn't know it was ready ...
[04:26] <Tsjoklat> since you can't even disable it
[04:26] <subterrific> it is set to 10 minutes
[04:26] <subterrific> Tsjoklat: i can disable it, and i just did
[04:26] <subterrific> CAN
[04:26] <subterrific> but i wasn't idle for 10 minutes
[04:26] <subterrific> i was using the mouse when it died
[04:27] <Tsjoklat> are you able to check the power savings thing?
[04:27] <mojo> joem, sub, Tsjok: u guys know how to define the icon for a device when mount in GNOME? I plug in my USB and in My Computer the icon is just a normal drive icon, not the USB icon that I want, have any idea?
[04:27] <Tsjoklat> you have to check the box and then slide the sliders to the left
[04:27] <subterrific> Tsjoklat: all boxes are unchecked, like i said
[04:27] <Tsjoklat> check them
[04:27] <joem> jward, don't think it is official yet, http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/000297.html
[04:28] <Tsjoklat> check the power savings.. check the three underneath that
[04:28] <joem> mojo, right click properties - select custom icon?
[04:28] <Tsjoklat> slide the things to the left
[04:28] <Tsjoklat> apply/ok and see what it does then
[04:28] <subterrific> Tsjoklat: there are no sliders, you're confused with OS X
[04:28] <Tsjoklat> no I am not lol
[04:29] <Tsjoklat> there are three underneath it
[04:29] <subterrific> there are 3 edit fields with spinner controls, no sliders
[04:30] <Tsjoklat> same deal
[04:30] <Tsjoklat> all I know is,  you got to check 'em, and move them to the left so it says: disabled
[04:31] <Tsjoklat> let me check again.. sliders/spinners
[04:31] <subterrific> Tsjoklat: you're really confusing this with the OS X UI, it doesn't work like that at all
[04:31] <subterrific> there is a single check box that disables it
[04:32] <subterrific> i know what problem you're describing, and that is not what is happening
[04:32] <subterrific> the monitor is not going to sleep
[04:33] <mojo> hey tsjok: after I restart, the Workspace applet works normally again
[04:33] <Tsjoklat> alright.. you are right, but if the monitor doesn't go to sleep.. what do you mean then? it just dies?  your box?
[04:34] <subterrific> its like the kernel is dead locking and not handling interrupts
[04:34] <Tsjoklat> great mojo :) one prob solved
[04:34] <subterrific> read the bug report i wrote, i have to go now
[04:34] <Tsjoklat> I will
[04:34] <Tsjoklat> I need more coffee... useless right now
[04:35] <dieman> so...
[04:35] <dieman> does fgrlx have pcie support?
[04:39] <dieman> hmm
[04:39] <dieman> looks like it doesn't
[04:39] <dieman> bastards.
[04:39] <dieman> :)
[04:39] <mako> ergh.. has anyone else on the list seem my post about ubuntu traffic?
[04:40] <dieman> eh?
[04:40] <dieman> no
[04:40] <dieman> is that the subject?
[04:40] <dieman> yeah,i dont see anything yet
[04:40] <mako> i've sent it twice now
[04:41] <hornbeck> does anyone know where I can get the dbus-cil package
[04:41] <mako> well, i just finished the most recent traffic so i might as well update it and send it again
[04:41] <hornbeck> libdbus-cil I mean
[04:43] <mako> dieman: i spelled ubuntu wrong, differently, twice :)
[04:44] <dieman> heheh
[04:47] <schweeb> hornbeck: sounds like mono
[04:47] <hornbeck> yeah it is
[04:47] <hornbeck> it is dbus-sharp
[04:47] <hornbeck> I am wanting to play around with beagle and need that package
[04:47] <hornbeck> I guess I will have to learn to make .deb
[04:47] <schweeb> probably have to compile it
[04:47] <tvon> hornbeck: I think beagle needs dbus from cvs, not sure
[04:48] <tvon> hornbeck: but, there is no dbus-cil in ubuntu at the moment
[04:48] <schweeb> beagle usually needs cvs shit
[04:48] <hornbeck> I cannot get the dbus cvs to stop giving me errors
[04:48] <hornbeck> but I think I have beagle working now
[04:50] <jmhodges> hey, octave-matcompat mentions that it is replaced by octave-forge but octave-forge does not exist in the ubuntu repositories
[04:52] <jmhodges> is there something im missing?
[04:53] <chutwig> so who's lalo martins
[04:53] <dieman> mako: 'people.ubunlinux.org' <-- you did it again.
[04:54] <mako> that's a different way too
[04:54] <mako> bah!
[04:55] <stratus> chutwig, afaik lalo is a brazillian DD.
[04:55] <chutwig> i got bored and went looking for the ubuntu group on orkut
[04:55] <chutwig> and he's the owner
[04:55] <mako> chchutwig: lalo is a python dude
[04:55] <mako> chutwig: ergh.. sorry
[04:56] <chutwig> ch-ch-ch-chutwig
[04:56] <stratus> is there a ubuntu community there already?
[04:56] <chutwig> yeah
[04:56] <mako> i'm REALLY lagged
[04:56] <chutwig> 8 people now, i just joined
[04:56] <stratus> mako, lalo is more than a python dude :P
[04:56] <mako> my internet is down and i'm, weather permitting, working with a laptop halfway out the window in the kitchen routing o my network
[04:56] <stratus> mako, hau!
[04:56] <mako> stratus: yes :)
[04:56] <mako> some nice neighbor :)
[04:57] <stratus> ;)
[04:57] <mako> lalo works for canonical
[04:57] <stratus> mako, is he? hmm.
[04:57] <stratus> mako, i've talked with mr. reis by mail these days.
[04:57] <chutwig> angestellter
[04:57] <stratus> lalo is a really old buddy.
[04:58] <mako> kiko is great :)
[04:58] <stratus> he seems to be a cool guy.
[04:58] <stratus> i was disturbing him about the projects, plans and that stuff.
[04:59] <mako> i've hung out with lalo, and kiko actually, at both FISL and some canonical meetings
[04:59] <mako> dieman: but i mispelled it in a hypothetical url, so it doesn't matter
[04:59] <mako> dieman: although it makes my phrase "probably" less probable
[04:59] <stratus> cool, i came back after debconf4 no FISL for me. much work :/
[05:00] <Se7h> erg
[05:00] <Se7h> i cant see how to make the movies play
[05:00] <Se7h> :|
[05:00] <Se7h> totem only gives the sound
[05:00] <jward> codec issue?
[05:01] <Se7h> and mplayer freezes when i try to play
[05:01] <tvon> could try totem-xine
[05:02] <Se7h> Package totem-xine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:02] <Se7h> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[05:02] <Se7h> is only available from another source
[05:02] <Se7h> E: Package totem-xine has no installation candidate
[05:02] <elmaya> gxine
[05:03] <schweeb> gxine is sweet
[05:03] <schweeb> fullscreen always crashes on me
[05:03] <elmaya> never tried fullscreen
[05:03] <Se7h> E: Couldn't find package gxine
[05:04] <elmaya> update your sources
[05:04] <joem> schweeb, full screen gxine is broke in the official release
[05:04] <schweeb> you have to add universe
[05:04] <joem> but fixed in cvs
[05:04] <schweeb> joem: yea, I'm not real motivated to compile... even though I could easily build a package, heh
[05:04] <aitrus> let me know if your universe add works!
[05:04] <aitrus> mine is still dying... =(
[05:05] <schweeb> too busy with everything else
[05:05] <Se7h> btw
[05:05] <Se7h> how do i do that?
[05:05] <Se7h> (lol)
[05:05] <elmaya> /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:06] <elmaya> uncoment universe then apt-get update
[05:06] <Se7h> ah so that's universe
[05:06] <Se7h> lol o k
[05:08] <Se7h> fine by now...
[05:09] <wm_eddie> yeah... ubuntu is awesome...
[05:10] <Se7h> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[05:10] <Se7h> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/source/Sources .gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[05:10] <Se7h> 78% [18 Sources gzip 0]  [21 Sources 21236/1053kB 2%]                53.5kB/s 19s
[05:10] <Se7h> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[05:10] <Se7h> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Sources
[05:10] <Se7h>   Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[05:10] <Se7h> sorry for the spam
[05:10] <Se7h> well
[05:10] <Se7h> thats all
[05:10] <aitrus> i get that too, comment out your deb-src line for universe
[05:11] <jward> but does that keep it from working, or is it only a warning?
[05:11] <aitrus> it seems to tick off synaptic
[05:11] <Se7h> what?
[05:11] <Se7h> no
[05:11] <dieman> heh
[05:11] <Se7h> just warnings
[05:11] <dieman> someone break the file?
[05:12] <jward> aitrus: ah, didn't know you were using synaptic
[05:12] <aitrus> jward: i'm using both command line and synaptic
[05:12] <Se7h> me too
[05:12] <aitrus> jward: when you guys tell me somethign, i use the command-line... when i go to browse stuff, i use synaptic
[05:12] <aitrus> wha?!  no mplayer in universe?  am i crazy?
[05:13] <elmaya> nop
[05:13] <Se7h> i get a bunch of dependecies
[05:13] <Se7h> and it stop the mplayer upgrade
[05:13] <wm_eddie> mplayer is special...
[05:13] <Oolong> faq gives the name of a deb mirror to get mplayer
[05:14] <Se7h> resuming...
[05:14] <Se7h> still cant watch movies
[05:14] <wm_eddie> exit
[05:14] <wm_eddie> exit
[05:14] <wm_eddie> oops...
[05:14] <Se7h> uh?
[05:16] <chutwig> i recommend trying totem-xine from universe instead
[05:16] <chutwig> or vlc
[05:16] <chutwig> i don't like mplayer
[05:16] <jward> The faq says add debian-marillat what's the prefix to that? http?
[05:17] <Oolong> tp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[05:18] <aitrus> hmm... i don't have sound in flash files...
[05:18] <jward> Oolong: thanks
[05:18] <Se7h> how can i dpkg -i
[05:18] <Se7h> and download required libs ?
[05:19] <Se7h> i mean...
[05:19] <Se7h> at the same time
[05:19] <Se7h> :P
[05:19] <jward> use apt-get
[05:20] <chutwig> bronx cheer
[05:21] <Se7h> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:21] <Se7h> same
[05:21] <Se7h> i get the needed libs
[05:22] <jward> Se7h: not sure I follow you, what's stuck?
[05:22] <Se7h> well basicaly
[05:22] <Se7h> i cant play movie files
[05:23] <jward> yes, and you added the marillat repo to get mplayer, and did an apt-get install mplayer?
[05:23] <jward> (after doing an apt-get update)
[05:23] <chutwig> did you update your package lists first?
[05:23] <Se7h> w8
[05:23] <schweeb> mplayer has nothing to do withi movies working
[05:23] <Se7h> mplayer
[05:23] <schweeb> it's probably more of a codec problem
[05:23] <Se7h> is installed
[05:23] <Se7h> but
[05:23] <schweeb> apt-get install w32codecs
[05:23] <Se7h> mplayer freezes when i try to play 
[05:24] <chutwig> get totem-xine already
[05:24] <Se7h> chutwig dependencies
[05:24] <Oolong> the codec are on the marillat repo
[05:24] <chutwig> what dependencies?
[05:24] <Se7h> ie
[05:24] <Se7h>   totem-xine: Depends: libgcrypt11 but it is not installable
[05:24] <Se7h>               Depends: libgnutls11 (>= 1.0.16) but it is not installable
[05:24] <Se7h>               Depends: libgpg-error0 (>= 1.0) but 0.7-1 is to be installed
[05:24] <wm_eddie> man, this modprobe is taking forever.
[05:24] <Se7h> i know...download each of them and install
[05:24] <chutwig> zuh
[05:25] <chutwig> your dependencies are wacked
[05:25] <Se7h> lol
[05:25] <chutwig> what happens when you apt-get install libgnutls11
[05:25] <chutwig> what does it say
[05:26] <Se7h> E: Package libgnutls11 has no installation candidate
[05:26] <Se7h> i've already tried that
[05:26] <aitrus> is there a gstreamer plugin for quicktime or wmv files?
[05:28] <Se7h> so...any ideias?=
[05:28] <jward> Se7h: might try the "--fix-broken" flag to apt-get ...
[05:28] <Se7h> hmmm
[05:28] <chutwig> or you might try taking a bat to it
[05:28] <aitrus> that's the spirit!
[05:29] <Se7h> ;P
[05:29] <Se7h> no jward
[05:29] <Se7h> same thing
[05:29] <Se7h> i get the list of dependecies
[05:30] <jward> I'm useless, I don't have my ubuntu box in front of me so I can't try it myself
[05:30] <Se7h> :|
[05:30] <wm_eddie> hmm alsa doesn't work :/
[05:31] <Se7h> i've got 3 problems to resolv
[05:31] <Se7h> i think...
[05:31] <Se7h> its the movie files thing
[05:31] <Se7h> windows network access
[05:31] <Se7h> and the flash
[05:31] <Se7h> oh
[05:32] <Se7h> and install a cd burning prog
[05:32] <jward> Could be worse, you could have my problem where when I boot into ubuntu DNS stops working on my entire network, and I have to renew my lease on my wireless router!
[05:33] <Se7h> lololol
[05:33] <Se7h> indeed
[05:33] <Se7h> but i want to see some porn
[05:33] <Se7h> and cant find a way to
[05:33] <Se7h> ;P
[05:34] <Se7h> well its 4.34am
[05:34] <Se7h> and i gotta get to bed
[05:34] <Se7h> thanks for the possible help u could give
[05:34] <Se7h> cya
[05:35] <jward> same for me, keep up the good work and persistence ...
[05:48] <hornbeck> night
[05:50] <tuppa> so who's agreeing to give a talk next month in SAGE-NSW about Ubuntu? ;)
[05:51] <jdub> tuppa: there've been emails to rob and i about it
[05:51] <jdub> tuppa: i should be able to go
[05:52] <tuppa> jdub:  cool, wouldn't mind seeing you or rob demoing it again ;)
[05:52] <jdub> this time i'll do the talk DURING the install
[05:52] <jdub> YEAH
[05:52] <jdub> tuppa: you enjoying it?
[05:53] <tuppa> yeh it was cool
[05:53] <tuppa> although I did wonder, what is perl doing in ubuntu? ;)
[05:53] <jdub> naw, ubuntu, not the talk :)
[05:53] <jdub> has to be there
[05:53] <tuppa> heh
[05:53] <tuppa> yeh so far so good
[05:53] <jdub> base includes all the useful unix utilities :)
[05:53] <tuppa> have to pull more people from work to use it :)
[05:53] <jdub> still at fluffy?
[05:54] <tuppa> nah left 3 months ago
[05:54] <jdub> oh, where are you now?
[05:54] <tuppa> place called corvu
[05:54] <tuppa> business "intelligence" software
[05:54] <tuppa> am currently fighting the good fight of converting more people to Linux ;)
[05:55] <rage1> well more plugin,s be in the final release are depend on apt
[05:55] <tuppa> and attempting to decommission the windows and AIX server here :D
[05:56] <jdub> tuppa: ooh, enterprise todo list products! ;)
[05:56] <schweeb> tuppa: heh, <3 migration
[05:57] <schweeb> get a good feeling building a Linux server out of a Windows server
[05:58] <dst> is there a gnome-base type package that I can apt get to bring in all of gnome?
[05:58] <tuppa> well the windows server aren't doing much except being a SQL server and SUS server
[05:58] <jdub> dst: you didn't install the entire desktop?
[05:58] <tuppa> so that's pretty much windows-y
[05:59] <schweeb> dst: gnome should all be installed by default
[05:59] <dst> jdub: couldn't get the install cd to work, had to use a small net install cd
[05:59] <tuppa> jdub:  so, what funky stuff does ubuntu "enterprise" have? ;)
[05:59] <schweeb> dst: mini.iso?
[05:59] <dst> schweeb: yes
[05:59] <schweeb> pulled down everything for me...
[05:59] <dst> hm
[06:02] <jdub> dst: aptitiude install "~tubuntu-desktop"
[06:02] <jdub> tuppa: there is no 'enterprise' :)
[06:02] <dst> jdub: thanks
[06:04] <tuppa> heh
[06:04] <slackeerb> how would I burn a .dmg cd image on ubuntu/gnome?
[06:04] <jdub> oof
[06:04] <jdub> i don't think they're iso format
[06:04] <jdub> slackeerb: open a terminal
[06:04] <jdub> and run 'file <filename>'
[06:04] <jdub> what does it say?
[06:05] <slackeerb> jdub: it says cannot open
[06:05] <slackeerb> im trying to burn mac os panther so i can check out pear pc
[06:05] <jdub> slackeerb: are you in the same directory as the file? :)
[06:06] <slackeerb> yes
[06:06] <slackeerb> i get this
[06:06] <slackeerb> is it ok if i paste it?
[06:06] <slackeerb> its kinda big
[06:06] <jdub> wow, there's lots of ubuntu stuff on gnome-look
[06:06] <jdub> slackeerb: i guess - how big?
[06:06] <slackeerb> ej@ubuntu ~/Desktop $ file Mac OS X Panther Final Install Disc 1.dmg
[06:06] <slackeerb> Mac:     cannot open 'Mac' (No such file or directory)
[06:06] <slackeerb> OS:      cannot open 'OS' (No such file or directory)
[06:06] <slackeerb> X:       cannot open 'X' (No such file or directory)
[06:06] <slackeerb> Panther: cannot open 'Panther' (No such file or directory)
[06:06] <slackeerb> Final:   cannot open 'Final' (No such file or directory)
[06:06] <slackeerb> Install: cannot open 'Install' (No such file or directory)
[06:06] <slackeerb> Disc:    cannot open 'Disc' (No such file or directory)
[06:06] <slackeerb> 1.dmg:   cannot open '1.dmg' (No such file or directory)
[06:06] <dst> eek
[06:06] <slackeerb> that big
[06:06] <dst> slackeerb: pput the name in ""
[06:07] <dst> or use tab completion
[06:07] <phlaegel> slackeerb: it thinks you asked it to check 8 files
[06:07] <slackeerb> ej@ubuntu ~/Desktop $ file "Mac OS X Panther Final Install Disc 1.dmg"
[06:07] <slackeerb> Mac OS X Panther Final Install Disc 1.dmg: data
[06:08] <slackeerb> ? =)
[06:09] <jmhodges> would a bug report on a missing dependency in universe by ok? or does that fall under "universe is not supported"?
[06:09] <jmhodges> s/by/be/
[06:11] <slackeerb> eh ill come back tomarrow and ask. i got to wake up at 5. Good night everyone.
[06:13] <jmhodges> if i shouldn't post to the ubuntu bugzilla, who should i talk to about universe?
[06:13] <dst> jesus?
[06:15] <jmhodges> mmm.. agnostic.. damn.. 
[06:15] <jmhodges> good idea though
[06:24] <wm_eddie> um is alsa-utils not supposed to have alsaconf
[06:24] <schweeb> try alsa-base
[06:25] <wm_eddie> I already installed that.
[06:25] <wm_eddie> I did apt-get update an hour ago too.
[06:26] <schweeb> hrm
[06:26] <schweeb> it's not installed on my box anymore either
[06:26] <schweeb> maybe that's intentional
[06:26] <wm_eddie> it was installed before
[06:26] <schweeb> yes
[06:26] <wm_eddie> but then I re-installed it because it wasn't working.
[06:26] <schweeb> most of the alsa conf should be done by hotplug now though
[06:26] <wm_eddie> I'm running 2.4 too
[06:27] <schweeb> alsa-utils (1.0.5-1ubuntu2) warty; urgency=low
[06:27] <schweeb>   * Remove alsaconf due to bugginess; it's not generally needed (insecure
[06:27] <schweeb>     temporary file, writing empty modprobe.conf (Ubuntu #1378))
[06:27] <schweeb>  -- Matt Zimmerman <mdz@canonical.com>  Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:33:20 -0700
[06:27] <schweeb> ahh
[06:28] <schweeb> so that's what was writing the empty modprobe.conf
[06:28] <schweeb> nice
[06:28] <schweeb> I was gonna file a bugreport on that, but forgot
[06:28] <schweeb> why would you install 2.4 on ubuntu?  you lost most of the reasons to use it in the first place
[06:29] <wm_eddie> apm doesn't work in 1.6
[06:29] <schweeb> no udev
[06:29] <wm_eddie> 2.6
[06:29] <wm_eddie> on my laptop
[06:29] <schweeb> apm or acpi?
[06:29] <wm_eddie> apm, it's too old for acpi
[06:29] <schweeb> try acpi
[06:29] <schweeb> ah
[06:29] <wm_eddie> acpi doens't work
[06:29] <wm_eddie> I tried.
[06:29] <schweeb> well
[06:30] <schweeb> did you compile alsa into 2.4?
[06:30] <wm_eddie> no, I juse used what was in universe.
[06:30] <wm_eddie> and installed the alsa module
[06:32] <schweeb> you need to compile the driver modules
[06:33] <wm_eddie> do I? why?
[06:33] <schweeb> alsa isn't in 2.4
[06:33] <schweeb> unless someone included them for you...
[06:33] <wm_eddie> alsa-modules-2.4.26-1-686 - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (drivers)
[06:34] <schweeb> ahh
[06:34] <schweeb> still, hotplug should load it all for you
[06:34] <wm_eddie> it's strange that's why I need alsaconf
[06:34] <schweeb> is it not working?
[06:34] <schweeb> lsmod | grep snd
[06:34] <wm_eddie> I need to force it to load another driver
[06:34] <schweeb> and cat /proc/asound/cards
[06:34] <schweeb> ah
[06:34] <schweeb> hotplug loading the OSS driver?
[06:35] <wm_eddie> nothing in lsmod| grep snd
[06:35] <wm_eddie> and no /proc/asound/
[06:35] <schweeb> well
[06:35] <schweeb> no alsa modules loaded
[06:35] <wm_eddie> I'm confused :( I want my alsaconf back...
[06:36] <schweeb> you're not going to have a lot of fun using ubuntu w/o 2.6 :-/
[06:36] <schweeb> just a sec though
[06:36] <schweeb> lemme get the linuxorbit article you used to have to use back in the day to get it working
[06:36] <wm_eddie> well, a laptop without apm is useless....
[06:36] <schweeb> meh, shut it off when you're not using it
[06:37] <schweeb> http://www.linuxorbit.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=541&page=1
[06:37] <wm_eddie> I can go without sleep, but I need to know how my battery is going at least.
[06:40] <toyowheelin> hello all
[06:41] <toyowheelin> I have just installed ubuntu amd64 and the install never prompted for a ROOT password so I was wondering what the "default" password would be?
[06:41] <wm_eddie> Tomorrow I have to fix this, and enter the world of pain that is my wireless card.
[06:41] <wm_eddie> toyowheelin: there is none
[06:42] <toyowheelin> it will not accept blank as a pass
[06:42] <wm_eddie> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.5722653677
[06:42] <sladen> toyowheelin:   sudo {...command you would have typed as root...}
[06:42] <toyowheelin> its in the GUI
[06:42] <sladen> toyowheelin: eg.   sudo emacs /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:43] <sladen> toyowheelin: gtksudo should take care of that
[06:43] <wm_eddie> my gtksudo always fails...
[06:43] <sladen> could you describe how it's failing?
[06:43] <wm_eddie> hold on...
[06:44] <wm_eddie> failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root: Child terminated with 1 status
[06:44] <toyowheelin> Failed to run gdmsetup as user root:
[06:44] <toyowheelin>  Child terminated with 1 status
[06:44] <wm_eddie> I actually have a root password though.
[06:45] <toyowheelin> lol wm_eddie same error
[06:45] <toyowheelin> I dont
[06:45] <sladen> what happens if you open a terminal and type:
[06:45] <wm_eddie> toyowheelin: you want to use your user password
[06:45] <sladen>   sudo echo hello this is being run as root 
[06:45] <wm_eddie> ubuntu:/etc/alsa/0.9# sudo echo hello
[06:45] <wm_eddie> hello
[06:45] <toyowheelin> I havent setup a pass for root yet
[06:45] <phlaegel> toyowheelin: you're not supposed to
[06:46] <wm_eddie> toyowheelin: have you read that faq I posted?
[06:46] <Treenaks> toyowheelin: you don't need to, everything uses sudo
[06:46] <sladen> wm_eddie: okay.  And what happens when you run that as a user like you're supposed to!  :)
[06:46] <wm_eddie> yeah, I just realized that i was in a root prompt
[06:47] <wm_eddie> I think I have to add myself to the sudoers file
[06:47] <wm_eddie> hmm where is that I wonder.. /etc/sudo
[06:47] <wm_eddie> ?
[06:47] <wm_eddie> ok
[06:48] <wm_eddie> woo~
[06:48] <Treenaks> argh, evolution doesn't understand ipv6 imap servers it seems
[06:48] <Treenaks> "Invalid argument" while connecting..
[06:49] <toyowheelin> how do I go about installing KDE?
[06:50] <Tsjoklat> lol
[06:50] <Tsjoklat> sorry
[06:50] <toyowheelin> :/
[06:50] <Tsjoklat> just kde isn't much supported yet
[06:50] <toyowheelin> its really not funny
[06:50] <toyowheelin> oh
[06:51] <schweeb> I think most of it's in universe now
[06:51] <wm_eddie> toyowheelin: just use gnome and make your life easier for now.
[06:51] <toyowheelin> grr well can anyone tell me how to turn up the refresh on the mon...60hz is deadly on the eyes
[06:51] <fabbione> how do i tell thunderbird to stop opening new windows each time i click on a message or a mailbox?
[06:51] <wm_eddie> toyowheelin: edit /etc/X11/XF86COnfig
[06:51] <toyowheelin> oh
[06:51] <schweeb> fabbione: there's an extension
[06:51] <toyowheelin> was hoping for a gui way
[06:51] <wm_eddie> except... properly capitalized?
[06:51] <wm_eddie> ...
[06:51] <schweeb> fabbione: No New Window On Double Click
[06:51] <wm_eddie> why did I put a ? there...
[06:52] <wm_eddie> I need slee.
[06:52] <fabbione> toyowheelin: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[06:52] <wm_eddie> p
[06:52] <Treenaks> toyowheelin: sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config ?
[06:52] <fabbione> do not edit X config manually!
[06:52] <fabbione> it's BAD
[06:52] <fabbione> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[06:52] <fabbione> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
[06:52] <fabbione> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
[06:52] <toyowheelin> ok
[06:52] <schweeb> yes, it eats your children
[06:52] <schweeb> it'd be neat if xserver-xfree86 could configure TwinView ;)
[06:52] <fabbione> schweeb: where do i find that extension?
[06:53] <schweeb> fabbione: just a sec
[06:53] <fabbione> schweeb: file a wishlist bug with all the reference
[06:53] <fabbione> s/wishlist/enanchement
[06:53] <fabbione> perhaps it's doable somehow
[06:53] <schweeb> yea, I probably will
[06:53] <fabbione> <- maintains X
[06:53] <schweeb> ahh
[06:54] <schweeb> you on XSF too?
[06:54] <fabbione> yes
[06:54] <wm_eddie> how do I go about installing mono?
[06:54] <schweeb> as is daniels, correct?
[06:54] <Se7h> 227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,0,3,10,203)
[06:54] <Se7h> LIST -aL
[06:54] <Se7h> 553 Invalid file or directory.
[06:54] <Se7h> Invalid response '5' received from server.
[06:54] <wm_eddie> I'd really like mono.
[06:54] <fabbione> schweeb: correct
[06:55] <schweeb> wm_eddie: you'll have to add an extra source
[06:55] <Se7h> how do i take passive mode from gftp ?=
[06:55] <schweeb> I'll get you the URL after I get the NNWODC thing for fabbione 
[06:55] <wm_eddie> ok
[06:56] <plovs> wm_eddie, mono: deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./
[06:56] <schweeb> fabbione: http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=150
[06:56] <wm_eddie> I'm very interested in mono.  I like C# too.
[06:56] <schweeb> yea, tseng's source
[06:56] <phlaegel> wm_eddie: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/000068.html
[06:56] <schweeb> heh
[06:57] <schweeb> I'm gonna mirror tseng's source along with some other frequently needed ubuntu things soon, hopefully
[06:57] <schweeb> fabbione: I use that for my employees at work (we use tbird now! - way better than outlook)
[06:57] <fabbione> schweeb: thanks. checking nwo
[06:57] <fabbione> now
[06:58] <schweeb> I've only ran into problems with it once
[06:58] <schweeb> an employee couldn't open up new emails earlier... and it turned out to be that
[06:58] <schweeb> but works elsewhere perfect
[07:00] <fabbione> yup
[07:00] <fabbione> it seems to work ok
[07:00] <fabbione> thanks dude
[07:00] <schweeb> no prob
[07:00] <schweeb> reminds me I gotta migrate back to tbird from evo
[07:00] <schweeb> evo = slow
[07:00] <fabbione> hm no
[07:00] <wm_eddie> evo = gnome
[07:00] <fabbione> it didn't load it
[07:01] <wm_eddie> and that means better integration.
[07:01] <schweeb> you have to restart tbird, fabbione 
[07:01] <schweeb> wm_eddie: that doesn't matter to me
[07:02] <schweeb> wm_eddie: when I go to my linux-kernel box, or something, and I can't do anything else in my email client, that's bad
[07:02] <schweeb> I can do all kinds of fun shit in tbird and it keeps goin strong
[07:03] <schweeb> when there's a good open groupware server solution for linux that I can connect evolution to, then I can consider using evolution
[07:04] <toyowheelin> alright much better
[07:04] <schweeb> hopefully an eGroupware plugin
[07:04] <wm_eddie> Is there a way I can sync my evolutions with my server?
[07:04] <schweeb> sync what?
[07:04] <toyowheelin> now...how to install things like...tuxracer and more important tings like xmms
[07:04] <wm_eddie> Mostly contacts and todo list items.
[07:05] <toyowheelin> *things
[07:05] <fabbione> schweeb: in which .mozilla-thunderbird directory the plugin has to be installed?
[07:05] <schweeb> the bounties are still open for calendar publishing
[07:05] <phlaegel> toyowheelin: run synaptic and search around a bit. lots of apps to install there.
[07:05] <Se7h> "Invalid response '5' received from server." on gftp
[07:05] <schweeb> fabbione: I just import the xpi *shrug*
[07:05] <wm_eddie> a whole lot
[07:05] <fabbione> schweeb: ah ok
[07:06] <wm_eddie> yea! mono is working.
[07:06] <schweeb> wm_eddie: I also happen to like firefox about 10000x more than Epiphany :p gonna hold that against me too
[07:07] <wm_eddie> I hate epiphany...
[07:07] <schweeb> well, epiphany = gnome, so :p
[07:07] <toyowheelin> awww no tuxracer
[07:07] <wm_eddie> yeah...
[07:07] <clee> epiphany totally sucks.
[07:07] <clee> no 'View source' in the context menus
[07:07] <clee> weak
[07:08] <schweeb> I was angry when "preferences" was moved back to the "edit" submenu
[07:08] <schweeb> in firefox
[07:08] <schweeb> that's about the only thing that pisses me off about it
[07:08] <fabbione> schweeb: ok.. got the trick thanks :-)
[07:08] <dst> that is where prefrences go..
[07:08] <schweeb> fabbione: np
[07:08] <schweeb> dst: tools!
[07:08] <joem> no
[07:09] <schweeb> hrm..
[07:09] <schweeb> I go to evo
[07:09] <joem> edit prefrences makes sense
[07:09] <schweeb> where are settings
[07:09] <schweeb> IN TOOLS
[07:09] <joem> tools prefrences doesn't
[07:09] <clee> schweeb: dude, evo is non-HIG-compliant
[07:09] <schweeb> the edit menu is for text editing
[07:09] <joem> it is for editing period
[07:09] <clee> schweeb: every other GNOME app that complies with the HIG uses Edit->Prefs
[07:09] <joem> yea evo still uses settings
[07:10] <schweeb> strict HIG compliance is going to drive me insane.
[07:10] <clee> KDE will always love you ;)
[07:10] <joem> there is a bug on it somewhere, but they are going for outlook migration, so they might not care about that
[07:10] <jamesh> schweeb: why?  Because it makes things internally consistent?
[07:11] <schweeb> I'm a firm believer in the settings being in the tools menu... if anything, not the edit menu, but the file menu, where you have your printer settings and such
[07:12] <schweeb> can argue with me all you want, but I consider edit to be the wrong place
[07:12] <wm_eddie> yay mono is working!
[07:12] <clee> schweeb: dude, then take it up with the HIG authors
[07:13] <schweeb> clee: maybe I will someday
[07:13] <clee> schweeb: as it stands, evolution is being naughty and needs to be spanked
[07:13] <wm_eddie> woo and tomboy is in that server too
[07:13] <wm_eddie> clee: that'll only provoke it.
[07:13] <clee> wm_eddie: I like it when evo gets all frisky.
[07:13] <schweeb> I know why the HIG is useful and all... that doesn't mean all of its decisions make sense
[07:14] <joem> schweeb: where is the sense in the tools menu
[07:14] <clee> schweeb: of course.
[07:14] <joem> what does editing prefs have to do with tools
[07:14] <clee> schweeb: however, the point is that all apps should comply with the HIG fully whereever the HIG has something to say
[07:14] <clee> schweeb: And when the HIG is wrong, then the apps will all be consistently wrong
[07:14] <clee> schweeb: Then when the HIG is fixed, all of the apps will become consistently fixed
[07:14] <jamesh> schweeb: what should an app do if it has no other items to go in the tools menu?
[07:15] <schweeb> joem: look at your edit menu, is there anything else in there similar to editing preferences?
[07:15] <joem> depends on the app, in epiphany I have personal data and toolbar
[07:15] <schweeb> the configuration applet for a program is a "tool"
[07:16] <joem> no it isn't, prefs are something you edit
[07:16] <schweeb> I'm done.
[07:17] <joem> though if fire fox is going to be consistant with it, they should move themes to edit as well
[07:17] <joem> becuase that is very similar to prefs, and they should be in the same menu
[07:17] <schweeb> really, the hig should have called for a new "Preferences" menu or something
[07:18] <schweeb> and edit should be "Text"
[07:18] <schweeb> or similar
[07:18] <joem> that just creates more options then needed
[07:18] <clee> with <App> -> Preferences...
[07:18] <schweeb> because in all pre-HIG apps anywhere... edit was almost exclusively text tools
[07:19] <schweeb> find, cut,copy, paste, etc...
[07:20] <joem> some smaller apps don't include/need those options
[07:20] <joem> heh
[07:20] <clee> schweeb: what you *should* do is join #gnome on irc.gimp.org and bitch at *them* about it
[07:20] <clee> they'd love it
[07:21] <schweeb> heh
[07:21] <schweeb> I'm sure jdub would *love* that after my kernel module argument the other night
[07:24] <lamont> mdz: around?
[07:29] <tvon|x31> er, not Xsession in specific, but "X session"
[07:29] <ish> is hald really necessary?
[07:29] <tvon|x31> I think SuSE does it by default
[07:29] <jdub> ish: yes.
[07:29] <schweeb> ish: most definitely
[07:29] <jdub> tvon|x31: which keychain, which session?
[07:29] <ish> ok.. just trying to trackdown anything that could be locking my system.
[07:30] <lamont> ...the dependencies of xmms proper and libxmms are in Depends:, the
[07:30] <lamont>     dependencies of the plugins are in Recommends:. If the package management
[07:30] <lamont>     tool of your choice doesn't support some of these dependencies, please do
[07:30] <lamont>     not cast blame for that on the xmms package. Direct thy wrath properly ;o)
[07:30] <lamont> le huh???
[07:31] <ish> with acpi my latop gets hotter than I think its ever been..
[07:31] <tvon|x31> jdub: "keychain" the app, and my GNOME session
[07:32] <tvon|x31> jdub: I think SuSE does it by default, and I've set it up before in Gentoo/Fedora..  basically when you login you get a gtk-ssh-askpass, after that your passphrase is stored for ssh sessions
[07:33] <jdub> tvon|x31: ssh-agent is running
[07:33] <jdub> tvon|x31: add ssh-add to your session, or just run it from a terminal
[07:33] <jdub> tvon|x31: if you run it from 'run application...' you get ssh-askpass-gnome :)
[07:33] <jdub> (or anywhere that doesn't have a tty)
[07:33] <tvon|x31> jdub: well fancy that
[07:34] <tvon|x31> jdub: thanks
[07:34] <jdub> tvon|x31: a debian default for a very long time :)
[07:35] <bdale> lamont: to the best of my knowledge, dselect is still the only front-end to package management that gets the handling of all dependency types right.
[07:35] <schweeb> 01:34 < jdub> tvon|x31: a debian default for a very long time :)
[07:35] <schweeb> 01:35 < bdale> lamont: to the best of my knowledge, dselect is still the only
[07:35] <schweeb>                front-end to package management that gets the handling of all
[07:35] <schweeb>                dependency types right.
[07:35] <schweeb> urgh
[07:35] <schweeb> stupid mouse losing sync again
[07:35] <lamont> bdale: yeah, but if you have binaries in your package, that depend on a shlib, is it _LEGAL_ to make that just a recommends?
[07:35] <tvon|x31> hehe
[07:35] <tvon|x31> jdub: thanks for the info
[07:36] <bdale> lamont: since I no longer use xmms, and never used any plugins, I'm not sure I care in this particular case.  [so slap me] 
[07:36] <lamont> heh
[07:36] <lamont> bdale: I only care because the bug landed in my lap.
[07:37] <bdale> lamont: this sounds like anothe problematic example of handling optional functionality
[07:37] <lamont> yep
[07:41] <bdale> grrr
[07:46] <fabbione> hey bdale 
[07:50] <bdale> I hate it when a reboot "cures" a problem.
[07:52] <fabbione> does anybody have a Matrox P650?
[07:54] <clee> hi, bdale 
[08:00] <bdale> spurious internal compiler error / seg fault stuff ... non repeatable.  sounds like RAM is failing?
[08:07] <pisuke> hi. just installed ubutu
[08:07] <pisuke> it rocks
[08:07] <pisuke> thank you
[08:07] <mike__> hey, is there any updated ubuntu livecd?
[08:08] <pisuke> just one problem. i need to do some adminstrative tasks. and sudo keeps asking me the root passwd. what's wrong?
[08:09] <pisuke> i read the wiki and you're suposed to use sudo
[08:10] <WW> Is it possible to install Ubuntu with a 2.4 kernel?
[08:11] <tvon|x31> pisuke: its not asking you for the root password, its asking you for *your* password
[08:11] <pisuke> ah
[08:12] <ish> How can I start nautilus without creating a window (I'm starting it from .xsession)
[08:12] <pisuke> thank you tvon
[08:12] <tvon|x31> pisuke: no problemo
[08:12] <tvon|x31> ish: nautilus -n
[08:12] <pisuke> haven't used sudo. it shows
[08:12] <tvon|x31> nautilus --no-default-window
[08:12] <tvon|x31> pisuke: ;)
[08:12] <ish> tvon|x31: it just exits
[08:13] <tvon|x31> ish: hrm
[08:13] <ish> But thats what I gather the command is from the manpage.
[08:17] <tvon|x31> ish: running 'startx' that only runs 'exec xterm' and running 'nautilus -n' in that xterm....works for me
[08:19] <Britt> WW: I'm not sure about the install process ... I haven't worked through custom yet. You should be able to revert to 2.4 via apt after the initial install though (assuming you can get that far. I'm geussing you're having problems based on the nature of the ?).
[08:20] <tvon|x31> hrm
[08:20] <tvon|x31> brb
[08:20] <mdz> lamont: here
[08:21] <subterrific> anyone else tried running the vnc stuff via the desktop sharing capplet?
[08:21] <subterrific> its not running for me, i turn it on and vncserver doesn't run and no additional ports are listening
[08:21] <subterrific> file a bug?
[08:22] <WW> Britt: Actually, I haven't had problems, but eventually I need to install MATLAB (a commercial mathematics product). According to there docs, their latest release requires kernel 2.4.x.
[08:22] <WW> their*
[08:23] <Britt> subterrific: what does 'lsof -i | grep vino' report?
[08:23] <Britt> WW: you should have no problems then ... 'sudo apt-cache search kernel-image'
[08:23] <subterrific> Britt: nothing :(
[08:24] <WW> Britt: The MATLAB docs also so they require glibc (glibc6) 2.2.5.  How would I check that?
[08:24] <subterrific> if i run vino-server in a term, it seems to work fine
[08:24] <Britt> subterrific: yes I'd guess that's a bug then. I haven't touched vino from cli and it works by default here
[08:25] <Britt> mbselv0@lacasa ~ $ lsof -i | grep vino
[08:25] <Britt> vino-serv  4947 mbselv0   32u  IPv4  10875       TCP *:5900 (LISTEN)
[08:25] <subterrific> Britt: yeah, it worked on my other ubuntu machine
[08:25] <subterrific> sucks cause i turned it on here before i went to work, planning on testing it from work
[08:25] <subterrific> i got to work and it wasn't running :(
[08:25] <Britt> WW: dpkg -i glibc*
[08:26] <plovs_> aptitude can not be ran as a user, only using sudo, bug?
[08:26] <Britt> subterrific: i've had bad luck with it sofar here also. LAN connection is VERY slow (unusable) ... and 'vncviewer localhost' explodes
[08:27] <subterrific> Britt: heh, well i ran vncviewer on the same machine as vino-server at work and it was pretty interesting
[08:27] <plovs_> are there plans for nxserver/viewer?
[08:27] <subterrific> did this crazy mirroring effect
[08:27] <Britt> WW: or if you are looking for info on a package you are going to install, apt-cache show pkgname
[08:27] <WW> plovs_: I don't think so.
[08:27] <subterrific> plovs_: i heard there are plans to consider it
[08:28] <subterrific> plovs_: it might have even been mentioned in the osnews interview
[08:28] <Britt> subterrific: yeah that's what i got as well ... wonder if thats an ubuntu thing
[08:28] <plovs_> it is nicer/faster then vnc
[08:28] <subterrific> yeah, screen style session management :)
[08:28] <WW> plovs_: My previous comment was about your question about aptitude.
[08:28] <Britt> but can it access the active desktop session?
[08:28] <Britt> I played with it for a few min the other day and couldn't get it to do that
[08:29] <plovs_> Britt, I do not have a root password (that's ok) but when I run aptitude, it will ask me for it
[08:30] <Britt> plovs_: it should be asking for your user passwd
[08:30] <Britt> (even if it's described incorrectly in aptitude)
[08:31] <WW> Britt: Thanks for the pointers.  If I can get MATLAB working, I just might be able to keep this nifty installation.
[08:31] <Britt> if that's not the case it's a bug (and if that is the case and it's described incorrectly it's a bug :)
[08:31] <Britt> WW: lets hope it works in 2.6!
[08:31] <Britt> WW: otherwise you're gonna be missing out on all Utopia love!
[08:32] <WW> Britt: You know, I haven't tried it in 2.6.  That couldn't hurt anything, could it?
[08:32] <Britt> WW: definitely not
[08:33] <plovs_> Britt, it will ask for my userpasswd if I do: sudo aptitude , it will ask for root password if I install a package from aptitude if I called it without sudo
[08:34] <plovs_> Britt, or should I go and have a coffee?
[08:35] <Britt> plovs_: the first part is correct ... the second is a bug
[08:35] <phlaegel> why is that a bug? sudo runs as root, so logically the app should ask for root passwd when called without sudo.
[08:36] <plovs_> phlaegel, it is not a debian bug but it is an ubuntu-bug as ubuntu banned root
[08:36] <plovs_> phlaegel, and it won't work without root
[08:36] <WW> Britt: ??? apt-get install Utopia-love ???
[08:36] <phlaegel> that's why sudo is set up...
[08:38] <Britt> phlaegel: right ... but specific to ubuntu, if run without sudo it should ask for the users password, not root. I'm not sure how this is going to be handled within third party apps like aptitude though
[08:38] <plovs_> Britt, is aptitude an ubuntu-native app or did  I pull it in from universe?
[08:39] <Britt> WW: Utopia is the project that includes HAL, dbus, and gnome-volume-manager (amongst other things) that make things like usbkey/cd/digi camera autodetection possible
[08:39] <phlaegel> to do that right(ish), apps that need root would have to implicitly call sudo...
[08:39] <Britt> WW: they depend on having a 2.6 kernel though
[08:40] <Britt> plovs_: I believe it's native, but don't quote me on that.
[08:40] <subterrific> phlaegel: you can make a launcher for the app that runs it with gksudo, that is what ubuntu is doing for all of the other apps that need root
[08:41] <plovs_> Britt, I'll just file it as a bug and then we'll see (I like filing bugs)
[08:41] <subterrific> everything in the system configuration menu is that way
[08:42] <Britt> plovs_: great :)
[08:42] <subterrific> phlaegel: synaptic works the same way
[08:42] <phlaegel> subterrific: what about cli? or other apps? I'm not sure there's a clean way to really "fix" it.
[08:43] <subterrific> cli apps you run using sudo or run with a root term (sudo -s)
[08:43] <phlaegel> gksudo is kind of an illusory fix, imho
[08:43] <subterrific> i suppose, but it works
[08:43] <phlaegel> yeah, it works fine, I have no problem with it as it is. that's why I'm questioning the bug :-)
[08:44] <subterrific> if you're digging around finding apps like aptitude or command line apps, you need to know how sudo works
[08:44] <subterrific> if you don't, you're protected
[08:45] <ish> tvon|x31: seems to be an incompatibility with -n and --no-desktop..
[08:45] <tvon|x31> ish:oh,heh
[08:45] <subterrific> phlaegel: you wouldn't want someone to run any random command line app and have it ask them for their user password to gain root access
[08:45] <tvon|x31> ish: well, if you want --no-desktop and no window to show up, what do you want to happen?
[08:46] <tvon|x31> ish: youre basically asking for nothing to happen
[08:46] <subterrific> very bad things can happen, there is a reason you have a limited number of setuid apps
[08:46] <ish> tvon|x31: need it running so when I click on the trash applet, or home..
[08:46] <ish> basically I'm running the panel in FVWM..
[08:46] <tvon|x31> ish: ahh, I see
[08:46] <ish> and I don't want a nautilus window everytime I login.
[08:46] <tvon|x31> ish: you cannot browse trash applet without nautilus running?
[08:47] <phlaegel> subterrific: irc can be a pain. I'm not sure that either of us are clear on the others' point, or on the bug :-)
[08:47] <tvon|x31> eg, it doesnt start nautilus with just a window?
[08:47] <phlaegel> subterrific: I'm only semi paying attention to irc anyway
[08:47] <ish> tvon|x31: it will start nautilus..  but then I lose my fvwm menus on the root window :(
[08:47] <ish> I'm OK without the panel..  Just thought it was kinda neat.
[08:48] <tvon|x31> ish: yeah, I see the problem now
[08:48] <tvon|x31> ish: you could set the gconf preferences to keep nautlius from taking the desktop
[08:49] <subterrific> phlaegel: i'm pretty sure i get what you're saying, but i don't think you have fully thought out the implications.
[08:50] <tvon|x31> ish: open up gconf-editor and goto apps->nautilus->preferences, and uncheck "show_desktop"
[08:51] <ish> tvon|x31: thats perfect.. Thanks.
[08:52] <tvon|x31> ish: np :)
[08:53] <matt2> When it says "Waiting for Headers" in apt-get, and it stays for quite some time until proceeding, is this due to my connection with the server? Are there any mirrors?
[08:54] <subterrific> mdz: i'll check the kern.log when i get to work tomorrow and update the bug
[08:55] <plovs_> subterrific, I filed the aptitude thing as a minor bug, as you say if you use it you *should* know better, it's more cosmetic
[08:55] <subterrific> mdz: i wish i had more details about what was going on, but its pretty tough when the system becomes completely unusable.
[08:56] <mdz> subterrific: I understand; it's equally tough for us, though, when we can't get more information about the problem
[08:56] <subterrific> plovs_: its more of a security thing. you would not want to give aptitude suid root
[08:57] <subterrific> mdz: yeah, the bug report was more just to let you and other users know that there is indeed a problem. up until the other guy chimed in i figured i was alone in having that issue.
[08:58] <plovs_> subterrific, agreed, the less suid the better, it should probably be wrapped in sudo or something, if you call it without sudo it should automattically use sudo
[08:59] <plovs_> subterrific, whatever, I still think ubuntu is the best debian-incarnaton I have seen :)
[09:01] <tvon|x31> Should I be able to run shell scripts by clicking on them in Nautilus in some way?
[09:01] <subterrific> plovs_: do you really think wrapping programs in sudo is a good idea? if a user just gets used to running applications and having them ask for a password, it would be trivial to deceive a user
[09:02] <subterrific> especially at a command line level
[09:02] <plovs_> subterrific, security is a pain isn't it? Maybe aptitude should just bork if uid<>0
[09:04] <WW> Britt: MATLAB is running in 2.6.  Hooray for the good guys!
[09:05] <WW> Britt: It printed some font errors, though.
[09:06] <WW> Does this message suggest anything:
[09:06] <WW> Font specified in font.properties not found [-*-standard symbols l-medium-r-normal--*-%d-*-*-p-*-adobe-fontspecific]  
[09:07] <plovs_> speaking of security, why do I have four ports open 25,11,628,631 ? I am not a mail-server/relayhost.
[09:08] <Treenaks> plovs_: scanning from localhost, or remotely?
[09:08] <subterrific> those are all only listening locally
[09:09] <subterrific> or should be
[09:09] <plovs_> Treenaks, subterrific, an oeps is in order
[09:10] <subterrific> ?
[09:10] <plovs_> I scanned 127.0.0.1
[09:11] <plovs_> but if I scan 192.168... 111 is still open
[09:11] <subterrific> netstat --tcp --listening -p --numeric-ports
[09:11] <subterrific> run that as root
[09:12] <plovs_> subterrific, 111 runs on all ports 0.0.0.0:111
[09:12] <Treenaks> that's portmap..
[09:12] <Treenaks> afaik
[09:12] <subterrific> hehe
[09:12] <subterrific> yes
[09:12] <subterrific> rpc
[09:13] <subterrific> its used to locate what port other services are running on
[09:13] <subterrific> famd requires it
[09:13] <Treenaks> instead of those services using well-known port numbers defined by IANA... aka /etc/services
[09:14] <plovs_> yes it was on the mailinglist, fam needs it open, is being worked on, no more questions then
[09:14] <Treenaks> which makes firewalling them _hard_
[09:14] <subterrific> yes, there is a replacement for fam to get around that requirement
[09:14] <plovs_> that will be in hoary?
[09:15] <subterrific> not sure, i only joined the mailing list today. haven't seen any discussion on it
[09:15] <plovs_> it was on sept 19
[09:15] <subterrific> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/nautilus-list/2004-June/msg00182.html
[09:16] <aj> anyone know where the warty Release.gpg key (0x437D05B5) is?
[09:16] <subterrific> plovs_: gamin might be too soon in its dev to make hoary
[09:17] <subterrific> june 2004 was its 0.0.1 release
[09:17] <Treenaks> is it possible to enable "Emacs-like" keybindings in Ubuntu? the selector from the "keyboard shortcuts" panel has disappeared
[09:17] <subterrific> looks very promising though
[09:18] <matt2> so uh.. I installed xfce4-themes via apt-get and I can't figure out where it installed the themes.. should be /usr/share/themes but it's not, can anyone help?
[09:19] <plovs_> subterrific, yes, it would enable selinux stuff in ubuntu 
[09:19] <plovs_> matt2, dpkg -L xfce4-themes
[09:22] <matt2> plovs_: Oh wow.. is that a search I see?
[09:22] <matt2> I'm such a debian n00b
[09:22] <matt2> plovs_: can't thank you enough
[09:22] <plovs_> matt2, it list the contents of your installed package
[09:22] <subterrific> matt2: man dpkg    for more fun
[09:22] <plovs_> matt2, *very* handy when you lost stuff you just installed :)
[09:23] <matt2> cool, thanks guys.. didn't realize that dpkg was this type of application.. I've only used dpkg -i to install a couple .debs, not thinking about it much
[09:23] <|trey|> matt2: Pay peticular notice to "hold"  apt-listbugs and hold make a good combination at times  :)
[09:23] <matt2> plovs_: No kidding, thanks for the big pointer
[09:24] <matt2> |trey|: I'm afraid I don't quite understand what you mean
[09:25] <|trey|> matt2: join #debian-bots and type '!hold'
[09:26] <|trey|> The bots ignore you if you are not in an official Debian channel  :/
[09:26] <|trey|> #debian is cool too... cept thats not Ubuntu really...
[09:27] <leex30> Is ubuntu designed to easily upgrade from CD when the next release is out?  Would one have to reinstall the system?
[09:27] <Mithrandir> leex30: upgrades are supported, yes
[09:27] <jdub> leex30: from CD and 'net
[09:27] <|trey|> Ubuntu is Debian... but Debian is not Ubuntu, yeah, something like that  :)
[09:27] <|trey|> jdub: still keeping busy  8-)
[09:28] <matt2> I had no idea....
[09:28] <Treenaks> jdub: do you ever sleep?
[09:28] <aj> jdub: any idea where the warty Release.gpg key is?
[09:28] <Solkaris> what multimedia support like so far .. IE how hard is it to get DVD and MP3 Playback working
[09:28] <aj> jsub: (/misc/daily_signing_key.asc is a different one)
[09:28] <Mithrandir> aj! long time no see.
[09:28] <matt2> I figured out why my themes didn't install into /usr/share/themes.. haha xfce4-themes is a package of ICON themes.... =P
[09:28] <|trey|> aj: blah.... /etc/apt/list.sources tells you...
[09:29] <aj> i'm trying to upgrade from sarge to warty, i don't have an install yet
[09:29] <|trey|> If you know how to read it... man sources.list (I'm high, wrong way around)
[09:29] <ish> Is it possible to edit the 'Computer' menu?
[09:29] <|trey|> One is wrong at least  :/
[09:29] <jdub> aj: hrm, not sure. elmo or lamont would know.
[09:29] <jdub> Treenaks: i'm in .au.
[09:29] <jdub> aj: upgrades are going to hurt.
[09:30] <|trey|> ish: yes... it was configured somehow... I forget where the vfolder is that configures it though...
[09:30] <aj> jdub: pfft
[09:30] <aj> jdub: my last upgrade stopped me from being able to suspend or switch to VCs without crashing X, how much worse can this be?
[09:31] <|trey|> aj: 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted'
[09:31] <Solkaris> is there going to be a forum at some point like the GentooForums?
[09:31] <jdub> aj: it won't have all the lovely defaults or user experience, or... ;)
[09:31] <|trey|> universe at the end is sarges main without dublicates...
[09:31] <aj> jdub: err, my prefered desktop is four xterms :)
[09:32] <|trey|> jdub: if he chooses "manual package selection" then adds that... it should install your wonderful 2.8  :)
[09:32] <jdub> aj: one wonders if there's much of a point ;)
[09:32] <aj> trey: yes, but where do i get the key that signed http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/Release.gpg ?
[09:33] <aj> jdub: there's always the hope of ubuntu/dists/warty-security getting populated some day...
[09:33] <|trey|> aj: apt 0.6 is not in warty... thus there might not be one... perhaps try hoarty (or however its spelled...)
[09:33] <aj> hoary's empty, and Release.gpg's got a signature, and i've got a script for verifying them...
[09:33] <jdub> hoary doesn't exist yet :)
[09:33] <|trey|> aj: oh... I forget the question then?  :o
[09:34] <|trey|> Did I mention I smoked a bowl like 20 mins ago?
[09:34] <aj> |trey|: i want the pub key to validate the Release.gpg signature
[09:35] <Mithrandir> aj: I suggest you poke elmo when he wakes up.
[09:35] <|trey|> 0.6 is in Experimental... its pretty nice  :)  so is 2.8 (last I checked) ... experimental broke though, so I figured thats a bad idea  :(
[09:35] <aj> experimental broke?
[09:35] <|trey|> Ubuntu 2.8 is nicer though... more logical, and closer to how I like it  :)
[09:36] <|trey|> aj: [gasp] 
[09:36] <aj> as in the packages in experimental broke, or..?
[09:36] <Mithrandir> aj: or you could poke Kamion, I think he might know and have access to get the key out.
[09:36] <fabbione> humpf..
[09:36] <leex30> So I can upgrade from sarge to ubuntu by putting 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted' in /etc/apt/sources.list and running 'apt-get dist-upgrade'?
[09:36] <|trey|> aj: it tends to do that if you don't pay attention to b.d.o
[09:36] <aj> kamion's same TZ as elmo isn't he?
[09:37] <|trey|> aj: even more likely due to less use  :(
[09:37] <fabbione> aj: yes, but they are around at different times usually
[09:37] <aj> leex30: the FAQ says to expect mayhem
[09:37] <|trey|> kinda got a lot of use outta reportbug though  :)
[09:37] <Mithrandir> aj: correctly, but that doesn't mean they're get up at the same time.
[09:37] <Mithrandir> aj: (UK is 0837 atm)
[09:37] <topyli> |trey|: well, that's why i have ubuntu now in the first place: experimental 2.8 killed my cat ;)
[09:38] <leex30> I'm hoping to get my printer/scanner to work.  That's my real test..
[09:39] <|trey|> topyli: When something breaks, I usually try new distro's that I have been meaning to test usually... works out... tryed Fedora for a while... and then went to Debian again before finding Ubuntu... looked like a nice GNOME... so here I am  8-)
[09:39] <topyli> leex30: ouch. a multi-function device... good luck :)
[09:40] <matt2> my printer worked out of the box.. crazy enough
[09:40] <leex30> the hp psc1210 worked great for a while.. then it stopped working altogether
[09:40] <matt2> though I don't have the correct drivers yet.. it gets the job done for now though
[09:40] <|trey|> (mainly the trash applet and the 'computer' menu is why I'm here... I hate icons on my desktop  :(
[09:40] <topyli> |trey|: excactly. i upgrade to experimental when in reality i just want to check out the new mandrake or whatever :)
[09:41] <|trey|> topyli: blah... I don't like Mandrake  :(
[09:41] <matt2> Mandrake is not cool =(
[09:41] <ish> I just came from Mandrake - guess I didn't like it enough :)
[09:41] <|trey|> usually new Suse and Red Hat (Suse recently cuz of what Novell is doing... mainly so I am familier with what I will see in Enterprises)
[09:41] <matt2> ubuntu is the bees knees for sure
[09:42] <aj> jdub: (when's planet ubuntu happening anyway? i wanna see elmo blogging)
[09:42] <matt2> like gentoo alot too but things tend to break and I hate compile times =(
[09:42] <|trey|> Ubuntu's GNOME is... yes... but with GNOME's release manager at the helm, its bound to be pretty good  :)
[09:42] <topyli> mandrake is great. it saved me from redhat 6. then debian saved me from rpm altogether.
[09:42] <leex30> so will every ubuntu release be strictly free software?
[09:42] <Treenaks> suse 9.1's gnome sucks
[09:42] <|trey|> Debian is the $hit though... best package management around... nice combo  :)
[09:43] <|trey|> Fedora's prettiness + Debian's technical aspects = perfection  :)
[09:43] <topyli> s/perfection/ubuntu =)
[09:43] <|trey|> IMHO
[09:43] <|trey|> topyli: kinda my point... but thats down the road  8-)
[09:43] <|trey|> You can see it starting... but its not quite there yet  :)
[09:44] <matt2> anyone know the package name for xfce4 gtk2 themes?
[09:44] <|trey|> (like the different look to the boot process [ok]  etc...
[09:44] <|trey|> matt2: umm... you're gonna kick yourself...
[09:44] <|trey|> apt-get install gtk2-xfce-themes
[09:45] <ish> hmm, why did I think ubuntu could not playback mp3s...
[09:45] <|trey|> matt2: apt-cache show xfce4 in the future if you forget  ;)
[09:45] <|trey|> ish: because Fedora can't  :(
[09:45] <matt2> hahah.. thanks man. I was searching xfce4, that was my problem
[09:45] <|trey|> Debian can though  8-)
[09:46] <fabbione> hey pitti
[09:46] <fabbione> pitti: is it normal (after your changes) that gpg still bitches about "insecure memory"
[09:46] <pitti> Morning fabbione
[09:46] <pitti> fabbione: ugh, no
[09:46] <|trey|> matt2: xfce4 is in universe afaik
[09:46] <pitti> fabbione: my latest changes remove the suid bit completely
[09:46] <pitti> fabbione: but you need the latest kernel crack for that
[09:47] <pitti> fabbione: uname -a?
[09:47] <ish> rhythmbox isn't bad either..
[09:47] <fabbione> 2.6.8.1-2-686
[09:47] <fabbione> pitti: i will check again
[09:47] <pitti> fabbione: hmm, this should be correct
[09:47] <matt2> it totally is.. I had to saerch xfce NOT xfce4 to see this though
[09:47] <fabbione> pitti: probably i installed the kernel and didn't reboot
[09:47] <|trey|> ish: Rhythmbox is nice... I kinda wish it was Helix or Mplayer in resticted though...
[09:47] <pitti> fabbione: gpg does work correctly with this kernel at my box
[09:48] <pitti> fabbione: you leave your computer on over night?
[09:48] <ish> Until I get tvout working - I have no use for mplayer...
[09:48] <|trey|> pitti: you don't?
[09:48] <ish> And I have a feeling that won't happen .
[09:48] <|trey|> ish: new purpose: cliphunter.com
[09:48] <pitti> |trey|: of course not. It wastes energy
[09:49] <|trey|> pitti: but you feel a lot better for it  8-)
[09:49] <pitti> |trey|: feel better about what?
[09:49] <ish> hmm.. I think I can assume firefox won't be getting updated before release..
[09:50] <|trey|> Ubuntu should include Garret Lesages "Industrial Theme for Firefox" as seen on www.planetnovell.org
[09:50] <pitti> fabbione: if you did not reboot, uname -a should print an older version
[09:50] <|trey|> It fits in better with the desktop... if he will let you  :)
[09:50] <ish> |trey|: is mplayer in universe?
[09:51] <|trey|> ish: no... apt-get.org search "w32codecs"... get the source listing marillat...
[09:51] <WW> I have a program (Maple) that is looking for the shared library  libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2.  Am I going to be able to get this working in Ubuntu?
[09:51] <|trey|> Christian Marillat rules... such a kind DD  :)
[09:51] <ish> Hmm.. Thats usually how my RPM distros get borked - 3rd party RPMS.
[09:52] <|trey|> ish: Marilatt is a DD... Debian Developer... trustworthy... apt-get.org sources are varified for competence...
[09:52] <Tomcat_> I try to get used to compile myself what is missing... I don't like installing other debs...
[09:53] <|trey|> mentors.debian.net is a good place for source too...
[09:53] <ish> |trey|: thanks for the tip.
[09:53] <|trey|> its the only deb-src source repo I use...
[09:53] <Mithrandir> |trey|: we're looking at including the mplayer .debs from Marilliat somewhere easy to get to.
[09:54] <ish> does linux support tvout on any laptops?
[09:54] <|trey|> Mithrandir: should be in Universe... you already state its not supported... not supported = not responsible...
[09:54] <Mithrandir> |trey|: yes, that's probably where it'll end up.
[09:54] <|trey|> Blackdown java should maybe be considered too imo... 
[09:54] <Mithrandir> ish: used to support my old IBM thinkpad T21 just fine
[09:55] <|trey|> With Suns text of course...
[09:55] <|trey|> The user still has to do what Sun wants... and all parties are happy  :)
[09:55] <jdub> aj: this week :)
[09:56] <|trey|> Ubuntu = perfection with that... but they are things that aren't necissary  :)
[09:56] <aj> jdub: sweet
[09:57] <Mithrandir> |trey|: we're looking at some way of shipping such software, yes.
[09:57] <fabbione> pitti: i can't remember :-)
[09:57] <|trey|> Right now... without splash screens... and without Mplayer or Blackdown... its still very very nice  :)
[09:57] <fabbione> pitti: it's not like i reboot on a daily base
[09:57] <|trey|> even if you recommend sudo  ;)
[09:58] <Mithrandir> |trey|: warty lacks a bit of polish, but its fundament is very solid, and I'm _very_ happy how far we've gotten so far.
[09:59] <aj> its "fundament"?
[09:59] <plovs_> despite the name, i think it is on of the most stable beta's i have ever used
[09:59] <|trey|> Mithrandir: yes... I noticed where things will be with boot process etc... looked at hoary plans though  :)
[09:59] <topyli> |trey|: what's wrong with sudo? it's the best. i haven't been root for ages :)
[09:59] <|trey|> aj: raw or base pretty much... thats how you can read it anyway...
[10:00] <|trey|> topyli: I dunno... I like thinking I am god  :(
[10:00] <plovs_> will ubuntu add something like parallel startup processes to update startup-times?
[10:00] <aj> |trey|: "The part of the body on which one sits"
[10:00] <|trey|> sudo sounds good for business.. but home use... I am god... I want gods rights  :)
[10:01] <topyli> |trey|: you can think your user 'trey' as elevated to demigod status with sudo :)
[10:01] <|trey|> aj: I knew that... couldn't word it  :)
[10:01] <|trey|> demigod is not god  :(
[10:01] <|trey|> demigods don't live in gods world  :(
[10:01] <|trey|> They are posers  8-)
[10:01] <topyli> demigods do god business in userland. it's cooler
[10:01] <subterrific> |trey|: where do you see flash-mozilla?
[10:02] <|trey|> subterrific: in universe...
[10:02] <|trey|> goes at the end of the line stating 'deb' in sources.list...
[10:02] <subterrific> |trey|: not seeing it...you sure it isn't being pulled in from some other repos you added?
[10:02] <|trey|> (all for of them if you did a default install)
[10:03] <plovs_> |trey|, i don't have it either
[10:03] <|trey|> subterrific: pretty sure  :/
[10:03] <subterrific> |trey|: check again
[10:03] <|trey|> enless its in Marillats source... or where I get Java...
[10:03] <|trey|> subterrific: blah... prolly in the java source...
[10:03] <|trey|> I have it though  :(
[10:03] <plovs_> |trey|, it's not in Marillats
[10:04] <plovs_> |trey|, what java-source do you have?
[10:04] <|trey|> plovs_: I think I saw it in there... I think thats why I reminded my self to use the source I did rather then the other Java sources... the one that states "student"...
[10:04] <subterrific> |trey|: i see swf-player, is that you're talking about?
[10:05] <|trey|> deb http://jopa.studentenweb.org/debian ./
[10:05] <plovs_> |trey|, nope ain't there...
[10:05] <|trey|> subterrific: nope... sure its flash-mozilla...
[10:05] <WW> Easy question: How do I get nautilus (or whatever else is easiest) to burn an iso to CD?  I usually used k3b B.U. (Before Ubuntu).
[10:06] <plovs_> WW, right-click - burn to cd
[10:07] <|trey|> WW: I use cdrecord... for iso's... (2.6) cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc --speed=24 --data blah.iso... for music... I think its --audio
[10:07] <plovs_> WW, if your burner allows it, I checked allow overburning in configuration-editor
[10:07] <subterrific> is anyone aware of an application that makes it very easy to encrypt files (with gpg perhaps?). bonus points if it integrates with nautilus
[10:07] <|trey|> WW: replace --speed=with about 1/2 of your cdrw's write speed for best results...
[10:07] <Mithrandir> subterrific: seahorse?
[10:08] <topyli> WW: you can of course still use k3b if you want to install all the libraries :)
[10:08] <subterrific> Mithrandir: thx
[10:08] <Mithrandir> subterrific: I've never used it, but it's the frontend for GPG for GNOME
[10:08] <|trey|> Mithrandir: seahourse?
[10:08] <WW> plovs_: I did something like that the first time, but it just copied the file to the CD, and didn't create the image.  I'll try again. 
[10:08] <|trey|> Mithrandir: nm
[10:09] <plovs_> WW, use an rw just in case ;)
[10:09] <|trey|> WW: what I said with --data works for iso's... if you want to use cli
[10:09] <topyli> WW: that's how i burned my ubuntu cd, so it worked in gnome 2.6 at least :)
[10:10] <WW> I'd like to get the hang of this groovy new Gnome GUI.
[10:10] <|trey|> (cdrecord dev=device --speed=blah --data some.iso
[10:10] <|trey|> I usually end up with an iso on the disc like you... cdrecord does it how I want  :/
[10:11] <topyli> we need a gtk2 version of xcdroast
[10:12] <WW> The right-click trick worked.  I think I screwed up the first time because when I put the blank CD in, an empty window popped up, so I just drag-n-dropped the ISO into it, and wrote to disk.
[10:12] <|trey|> never used that either  :/
[10:12] <|trey|> I just learned that they all use cdrecord... so I did what the pretty gui made it hard to do  :/
[10:12] <plovs_> is it possible to have a shortcut to eject a cd?
[10:12] <topyli> and we need "burn playlist to audio cd" in rhythmbox :)
[10:13] <plovs_> a shortcut-key that is?
[10:14] <|trey|> topyli: can't say as though I play much music files... mainly just listen to shoutcast playlists... I reinstall too much  :/
[10:14] <topyli> plovs_: bind "eject" to any key?
[10:14] <topyli> |trey|: put all your oggs to your /home/porn partition :)
[10:14] <topyli> and save that over install
[10:14] <subterrific> topyli: or a burn directory/selected files as audio cd in nautilus
[10:14] <joebeastie> are you able to restart the xfree configure tool?
[10:14] <|trey|> topyli: or set that cdrecord key to ctrl+b(burn)  :)
[10:14] <aj> topyli: /srv/porn would be more FHS :)
[10:14] <topyli> subterrific: yes
[10:15] <|trey|> topyli: /home/fearl/movies/porn  ;)
[10:15] <topyli> |trey|: there you go. put that on a partition of its own and save all your oggs there as well :)
[10:15] <joebeastie> encountered a weird bug. my laptop is defaulting to 640x480.
[10:15] <seb128> morning
[10:16] <|trey|> topyli: blah... can't ever get p2p software to work  :(
[10:16] <topyli> aj: of course! we want our porn to be fhs compliant!
[10:16] <|trey|> hence shoutcast...
[10:17] <|trey|> ogg = no one owns the file... legal to distribute  :)
[10:17] <|trey|> CEPT NO ONE LISTENS TO RAP AND USES OGG  :(
[10:17] <topyli> just rip cds from the library or something
[10:17] <|trey|> Libraries don't carry good hip hop  :(
[10:18] <topyli> |trey|: no, they want music that survives more than two weeks ;)
[10:18] <|trey|> like about 30?
[10:18] <subterrific> what is good hip hop these days?
[10:18] <|trey|> subterrific: anything with Dre's name on it...
[10:18] <plovs_> topyli, thanks
[10:19] <subterrific> heh
[10:19] <topyli> led zeppelin
[10:19] <|trey|> topyli: he said good hip hop... last I heard, led zepplin doesn't qualify as hip hop  :)
[10:20] <topyli> yeah but he had two questions: "good" and "hip hop". i could only answer one at a time =)
[10:20] <subterrific> |trey|: led zepplin would make pretty good background music for hiphop though. their heavier stuff at least
[10:20] <topyli> sure. didn't someone use kashmir?
[10:20] <subterrific> that was horrible
[10:20] <subterrific> don't ever bring that up again
[10:21] <topyli> oh no. will smith! :=
[10:21] <|trey|> subterrific: Eminem, G-Unit (entire crew - 50 Cent, Young Buck, Lloyd Banks, Tony Yayo), D12, The Game...
[10:21] <topyli> no it wasn't. who was it
[10:21] <subterrific> |trey|: i think you and i will have to agree to disagree on what good hip hop is
[10:21] <tcurdt> hi, guys ...don't wanna interupt the music discussion :-) ...but is there a package list for ubuntu?
[10:21] <|trey|> subterrific: would sound like ICP, Doomsday Productions, or Kotten Mouth Kings  :)
[10:22] <tcurdt> or even searchable? like packages.debian.org
[10:22] <subterrific> |trey|: blackalicious?
[10:22] <|trey|> subterrific: good = popular.... chill hip hop is Dialated Peoples, Pharcyde... Alkaholics... Jaru...
[10:23] <|trey|> blackalicious is ok... Jurasic 5 and The Roots are better :)
[10:23] <|trey|> Pretty much anything outta LA... 
[10:23] <topyli> tcurdt: i haven't seen one :(
[10:23] <subterrific> good is not popular, popular is what sells because its played over and over and over again
[10:24] <|trey|> good = sells the most units... at least to most people...
[10:24] <topyli> subterrific: what sells is popular, that much is safe to say :)
[10:25] <|trey|> Success is measured by how much you sell... can't be fore everyone though
[10:25] <|trey|> for*
[10:25] <topyli> |trey|: that makes windows 98 better than debian :)
[10:25] <subterrific> i'd put blackalicious on the same level as jurassic 5, the roots are amazing as always but i don't hear them doing anything new
[10:25] <|trey|> topyli: absolutly nothing... but some would argue for NT though...
[10:25] <topyli> it has sold more
[10:26] <subterrific> |trey|: so by that measure titanic is the best movie of all time, and the backstreet boys are better than any hiphop artist in existance
[10:26] <topyli> yes!
[10:26] <|trey|> There is evidence XP is the most used Windows OS... followed by 98, then 2000... you have to think of time frame...
[10:26] <topyli> hmm. is there so much xp already?
[10:26] <subterrific> no
[10:26] <|trey|> subterrific: to the general public yes... trying to be none-personal...
[10:27] <|trey|> I wouldn't chill to it... but its "good"...
[10:27] <rburton> the, recent Roots sucks imho
[10:27] <topyli> hmm. will ubuntu be sold in cardboard boxes?
[10:27] <Tomcat_> topyli: I can't look around my friends without seeing XP everywhere...
[10:27] <|trey|> One decent hit... rest of the CD isn't that  great...
[10:28] <|trey|> the track they released was catchy...
[10:28] <topyli> Tomcat_: dunno, i see most windows at work and they have mostly win2k.
[10:28] <|trey|> Never heard of him?  :(
[10:28] <|trey|> D&B is cool too... listen to a lot of Techno... some Metal... mostly Rap though  :)
[10:29] <jordi> rburton: hey I discovered meld does SVN while going over a Catalan translation.
[10:29] <daniels> |trey|: DJ Format is some pretty good chilled rap
[10:29] <rburton> jordi: it does?
[10:29] <jordi> rburton: dude the package description should tell us about it a bit more prominently
[10:29] <rburton> rburton: man i suck :)
[10:29] <daniels> s/is/has/
[10:29] <jordi> rburton: yeh
[10:30] <jordi> rburton: it's pretty cool. My coworkers liked it and quickly dumped rapidsvn.
[10:30] <subterrific> |trey|, rburton: have you heard madvillain?
[10:30] <rburton> hm, nope
[10:30] <subterrific> pretty good recent hip hop
[10:30] <|trey|> subterrific: no  :(
[10:30] <rburton> jordi: sweet
[10:31] <|trey|> subterrific: not really been keeping up with underground.. no time  :(
[10:31] <|trey|> Most of what I hear is in clubs, or on Audio1.net...
[10:31] <subterrific> |trey|: i think if any of those bands you named were backed by as much publicity as pop music, they would reach the same level of popularity. outkast proved that
[10:32] <|trey|> subterrific: each of the artists I named have been at #1 in the last year...
[10:32] <jordi> ow
[10:32] <|trey|> Like I said, based on my Criterion... anything that goes through Dre is gold right now...
[10:32] <subterrific> |trey|: i mean blackalicious, j5, etc...
[10:32] <|trey|> Actually... at least Platinum...
[10:33] <topyli> heh
[10:33] <Tomcat_> topyli: I have a totally trashy and old Laptop... but while 90% of students run WinXP, I run Debian... so nobody says anything about the machine :D
[10:33] <subterrific> thats because he is backed by major label money, he's got their blessing
[10:33] <topyli> the Dre industry
[10:33] <|trey|> subterrific: oh... definatly j5... don't really like blackalicious... same mould as (some afrikan name)
[10:33] <subterrific> there are 4 record labels that control what is popular, you can't argue that
[10:33] <topyli> Tomcat_: the debian disguise for a crappy machine =)
[10:34] <subterrific> sony, emi, umg, wmg
[10:34] <Tomcat_> :P
[10:34] <|trey|> Brand Nubian
[10:35] <Tomcat_> A friend gave me a noname network card as a present for the laptop... Windows refused to run it with *any* driver, because none was perfectly matching...
[10:35] <|trey|> ahh... that doesn't sound african... don't think thats what I was thinking  :(
[10:35] <Tomcat_> Installed Debian... "Hey no problem it's RTL8139 anyway, there you go!"
[10:36] <|trey|> Tomcat_: the joys of having the drivers around all the time  :)
[10:36] <xealous> does anyone have the sources for the amd64 version of ubuntu? (i'm using debian's amd64 port currently)
[10:36] <topyli> Tomcat_: we have about 50 researches with desktops and laptops. about a dozen have mac, and about five have linux. these people need no support at all. the rest are win2k and they keep the support guys busy. the machines are of course all the same harware :)
[10:36] <|trey|> XP driver support pails in comparison today...
[10:37] <Tomcat_> lol :] 
[10:37] <|trey|> Not to mention Linux supports about 10 more archs... so yeah, you get the idea  :)
[10:38] <subterrific> |trey|: yeah, win xp has no wireless lan support....oh wait
[10:38] <|trey|> subterrific: blah... my Ubuntu is wireless  :/
[10:38] <Treenaks> topyli: the same hardware for mac and XP? :)
[10:38] <Treenaks> topyli: so is mine..
[10:39] <|trey|> Treenaks: you can... technically... in some cases... especially PCI...
[10:39] <topyli> Treenaks: uhhh... not the macs :)
[10:40] <|trey|> And also Firewire...
[10:40] <|trey|> topyli: blah... PCI is the same on most archs... not sure if linux supports PCI-X or whatever../
[10:40] <Treenaks> topyli: well, the cpu tends to be quite different ;) but I understand..
[10:41] <topyli> the macs are great. there's only one user who needs constant support, but that's just one of the professors breaking ms office all the time :)
[10:41] <|trey|> Treenaks: exactly... everything else is the same for the most part  :)
[10:41] <|trey|> topyli: Macs rule... I just wish I could afford one  :/
[10:42] <|trey|> Even an eMac would do my just fine  :/
[10:42] <|trey|> s/my/me/
[10:42] <topyli> i do like the laptops.
[10:42] <Treenaks> I'm saving money for a new laptop.. but it probably isn't going to be a mac
[10:42] <|trey|> My school has G5's, I wanna play  :(
[10:43] <topyli> put debian on them at night!
[10:43] <Mithrandir> macs have too few mouse buttons. ;)
[10:43] <|trey|> topyli: I'm waiting for what they come up with for the G5...
[10:43] <Lowe> why the hell does all linux users like mac's i personally think macs suck
[10:43] <|trey|> topyli: via Fink of course...
[10:44] <|trey|> Lowe: what sucks about them?
[10:44] <TerminX> Lowe: I think a lot of Linux users are of the "anything but Microsoft" mindset
[10:44] <rburton> Lowe: mainly good design and good hardware
[10:44] <subterrific> |trey|: as a mac user since 87, i think i can safely say, you aren't missing much
[10:44] <topyli> macs work. the cheap pc hardware i'm always byuing is what sucks
[10:44] <TerminX> I too think Apple sucks
[10:44] <topyli> so its a hardware thing
[10:44] <TerminX> Overpriced, undercompatible shit IMO
[10:44] <|trey|> subterrific: I just wanna play  :/  GNOME still isn't has Human as Mac OS X today...
[10:45] <|trey|> s/has/as/
[10:45] <Treenaks> |trey|: but it's getting there
[10:45] <|trey|> They will openly admit that... although they are on the way...
[10:45] <Lowe> well i used them at school and it was the worst experience ever (this of course was 2 years ago)
[10:45] <subterrific> |trey|: i dunno, i think gnome 2.8 is really close and actually better in many places
[10:45] <|trey|> Treenaks: exactly...
[10:46] <topyli> OSX looks like a toy though. i'd put X and gnome there at once :)
[10:46] <|trey|> subterrific: Volume Management is a good improvement...
[10:46] <Tomcat_> I like OS X...
[10:46] <subterrific> gnome does a much better job of keeping consistent across all applications, visually at least
[10:46] <|trey|> The OpenNet or whatever will be great when I figure out how to use it  :/
[10:47] <subterrific> apple has this weird thing going where they can't decide why the hell they came up with brushed metal
[10:47] <|trey|> subterrific: I certainly couldn't tell them  :/
[10:47] <subterrific> first it was only for apps that mimic real world devices
[10:47] <topyli> |trey|: if you put in a cdrw with stuff on it, the volume manager mounts it. then nautilus cd burner gets confused. you have to umount from the command line because nautilus can only "eject" it, not "umount" :(
[10:47] <subterrific> then they make safari brushed metal
[10:47] <|trey|> It's Carbon vs Cocoa though...
[10:47] <subterrific> and then the finder
[10:48] <subterrific> and now i've totally lost them...
[10:48] <subterrific> i think the mac platform has far fewer good developers too
[10:49] <subterrific> apple has done just about everything they can to push developers away over the years
[10:49] <|trey|> Developers.a.c... Cocoa and Carbon... look them up... Carbon is older shit updated for OS X basically... but they have different themes...
[10:49] <subterrific> its gotten to the point that the few good ones left are just traded around by apple, adobe, macromedia (although their mac apps have taken a nose dive recently)
[10:50] <|trey|> Guess a few people still like Carbon...
[10:50] <subterrific> you have to use carbon still for many things
[10:50] <|trey|> subterrific: apple started competing with adobe, and to some extent macromedia though... thats why...
[10:51] <subterrific> driving developers away
[10:51] <subterrific> they even compete with small shareware developers
[10:51] <|trey|> The products basically aren't needed, because these are things Apple already installs....
[10:51] <|trey|> Or offers...
[10:51] <|trey|> Joe User won't go past Apple.com if what he wants is listed there... he obviously doesn't care about money...
[10:53] <|trey|> Things like Microsoft Office... and Micrsoft Virtual PC - Windows XP...
[10:53] <|trey|> Thats why they are popular...
[10:54] <|trey|> You can also use basically the entire Open Source software relm, and work on Darwin though... and plenty of Open Source projects are being used...
[10:55] <|trey|> Hardly pushing devs away... Jordan Hubbard didn't appear to think so at least...
[10:55] <|trey|> Co Founder of FreeBSD...
[10:56] <|trey|> He appeared to think they were an attractive oppertunity for a developer... X11 for OSX... its all there for Open Source software... and Fink is Debian's package management... Gentoo's Portage can be used...
[10:57] <tcurdt> to be honest: it's less the GUI that drives people to use OSX (btw: I like it) ...it's the easy installation and the software that's available
[10:57] <Lowe> holy crap how many upgrades are there lol, does ubuntu have new ones every day.
[10:57] <subterrific> |trey|: try using some open source software on darwin or OS X, its way behind linux
[10:57] <|trey|> Lowe: the Release Preview would be expected to perhaps....yes...
[10:57] <subterrific> for exmaple, Fink is now shipping gnome 2.4....wooo!
[10:57] <tcurdt> as for the installation we are slowly getting there
[10:58] <|trey|> subterrific: I actually have ran Darwin on X86... its not too bad actually... although its not Linux  :/
[10:58] <Lowe> well it's nice to have a distro that's kept uptodate
[10:58] <|trey|> Lowe: meet apt  :)
[10:59] <subterrific> one of the biggest reasons i left the mac is because i wanted open source software and good package management. gentoo wasn't available on the mac at the time.
[10:59] <Lowe> you know mandrakes urpmi, i could swear that was only updated monthly
[11:00] <|trey|> Gentoo is now available and working with DarwinPorts and Fink to provide packages for OSX...
[11:00] <subterrific> the mac is just not a very good development platform, you depend on apple for their customized gcc which is probably the buggiest gcc i've ever used
[11:00] <Lowe> < is to scared to try gentoo
[11:00] <|trey|> metapkg I think is that in writting...
[11:00] <subterrific> and their gdb crashes so much it should be able to debug itself
[11:01] <|trey|> Lowe: on my lowly 933 Duron... it isn't really logical... sure they run faster... but not when you're compiling something  :/
[11:01] <|trey|> Even with 512mb ram...
[11:01] <Mayday_> is it just me or isnt the nntp protocoll working in evolution?
[11:02] <Lowe> I only have 256mb ram :(
[11:02] <|trey|> [nana] 
[11:02] <|trey|> Still not cool on 933 Duron though  :/  pos processor  :|
[11:03] <|trey|> Not a machine made for compiling  :/
[11:03] <|trey|> s/machine/chip
[11:03] <|trey|> I need to get a simular Athlon at least  :/
[11:03] <|trey|> It has to be AMD though  :(
[11:04] <Lowe> I have an athlon xp 2000+ but every os i use thinks it's a 1250+
[11:04] <|trey|> That sucks... use kernel-image-2.6-k7
[11:05] <|trey|> type exactly that... then 2.6.9 will get upgraded when its uploaded...
[11:05] <jono> hi all
[11:05] <Lowe> actually i think it's something in my bios
[11:05] <Lowe> since win xp thinks the same
[11:06] <|trey|> Lowe: NTKRNL.DLL is i386...
[11:06] <Lowe> eh?
[11:06] <|trey|> NT's kernel is not k7
[11:07] <Lowe> no but you see at one time it did recognize it as a 2000+
[11:07] <|trey|> Then you got lucky  :/
[11:07] <subterrific> wtf
[11:07] <Lowe> all these upgrades are fun
[11:07] <|trey|> Lowe: all those upgrades are done  8-)
[11:08] <Lowe> what you have everything up to date lol
[11:08] <|trey|> It rhymed  :/
[11:08] <|trey|> And yes  :)
[11:08] <Lowe> lol
[11:08] <Lowe> brb
[11:11] <jono> hey punkass
[11:15] <daniels> jono: yo
[11:18] <jono> daniels, heya man
[11:18] <jono> daniels, hows it going?
[11:18] <daniels> jono: not too bad, you?
[11:19] <jono> daniels, good, just figuring out why my sound is not working in ubuntu
[11:20] <subterrific> jono: what machine and sound card?
[11:20] <jono> it says, your oss device could not be probed correctly - it seems the kernel modules are loaded though
[11:20] <jono> subterrific, i386, M-Audio Delta 44
[11:20] <jono> any idea ?
[11:22] <subterrific> jono: well for one thing, you want ALSA, not OSS
[11:23] <subterrific> and i'm pretty sure that card is supported by ALSA
[11:23] <jono> subterrific, it is supported by ALSA, how do I switch to it?
[11:24] <joebeastie> ok. after a bit of work getting X working I am now logging in to my fresh ubuntu system :)
[11:25] <subterrific> well what does lsmod | grep ice say?
[11:26] <jono> subterrific, I will paste in #jonoflood
[11:27] <subterrific> jono: use http://paste.plone.org/
[11:27] <jono> ok
[11:27] <jono> subterrific, http://paste.plone.org/1468
[11:27] <subterrific> jono: so you're all set at the kernel level
[11:28] <subterrific> my guess is that you've got the volume all at 0 ;)
[11:28] <subterrific> thats the ALSA default
[11:28] <subterrific> so you probably need to run a mixer and unmute some channels and turn the volume up
[11:29] <subterrific> you can try Applications->Multimedia->Volume Control and switch to the tab labeled [ALSA Mixer] 
[11:30] <subterrific> but this http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=1040 suggests that you install some app named envy24control. so try that if alsamixer doesn't work
[11:30] <jono> subterrific, ok, I adjusted all of them - unlocked and unmuted them all and the same problem - do I need to restart NGOME?
[11:31] <subterrific> shouldn't, what are you using to play audio?
[11:31] <jono> totem
[11:31] <subterrific> ok, quit totem and then run gstreamer-properties
[11:32] <subterrific> switch everything to use ALSA
[11:32] <subterrific> then restart totem
[11:33] <subterrific> jono: what kind of audio recording are you doing with that card?
[11:33] <subterrific> if you don't mind me asking
[11:33] <jono> subterrific, ahhh works now :) I will ammend my bug report
[11:34] <subterrific> :)
[11:34] <jono> subterrific, I have a home studio :)
[11:34] <joebeastie> omg. this ubuntu rocks the socks of a fox
[11:34] <jono> subterrific, thanks dude :)
[11:34] <subterrific> jono: same here, i've got a CardDeluxe though. haven't tried it under linux yet though, i don't think ALSA supports it
[11:35] <subterrific> i usually go to my buddy's place, he's got a mac with protools and a control24 board. its a pretty insane setup for a home studio
[11:36] <jono> subterrific, cool - I normally boot to windows and use Cubase SX 2.0, but I am going to investigate Linux based stuff
[11:36] <jono> subterrific, some of my recordings are on www.jonobacon.org/music/
[11:36] <subterrific> jono: well let me know how it goes, i'm really interested in Linux audio too
[11:36] <joebeastie> jono what soung are you into?
[11:36] <joebeastie> sound rather
[11:36] <jono> check out Fragile
[11:37] <jono> joebeastie, I am actually into really heavy death/thrash metal, and I am in a band called Seraphidian (www.seraphidian.com), but I also do other styles
[11:37] <xsad> hi to all
[11:37] <jamesh> If anyone has run into this issue, please add a comment on the bug: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1587
[11:37] <jono> my music page has some old songs I recorded ages ago
[11:37] <xsad> does anyone tried to install ubuntu on a powerbook g4?
[11:38] <Tomcat_> omg... RMS is in town. :o
[11:38] <jamesh> if you see an icon of the wrong size in the recently used documents menu on the panel
[11:38] <jamesh> add a comment about the file type and icon theme in use
[11:38] <joebeastie> Tomcat_ : should ask him for so vi tips
[11:38] <Tomcat_> lol :)
[11:38] <joebeastie> tell him you where going to try emacs but you heard it sucks
[11:39] <jono> xsad, I have it on a g4 powerbook
[11:39] <xsad> i have problems with the keyboard......
[11:40] <xsad> it doesn't recognize keys like @
[11:40] <Tomcat_> Unfortunately I'm away when he speaks. :o
[11:40] <subterrific> jono: sounds good, good production
[11:40] <Treenaks> don't forget to tell him you use Linux
[11:40] <Treenaks> (without the gnu/)
[11:40] <jono> subterrific, cheers :)
[11:40] <jono> subterrific, just done in my bedroom
[11:41] <subterrific> jono: i'm pretty amatuer http://subterrific.net/~jason/blacktape.mp3
[11:41] <jono> subterrific, check out Presence too - I was really pleased with that
[11:41] <topyli> joebeastie: i'm sure rms does have a tip or two for vi users :)
[11:42] <subterrific> i never manage to make it to the stage of actually correctly mixing the tracks. i just end up with up with a bunch of half finished tracks of first takes and drum loops
[11:42] <jono> subterrific, mixing is my fave bit - I just need better mic's
[11:44] <jono> subterrific, sounds good :)
[11:44] <jono> subterrific, the key is not adding more, but taking out more
[11:44] <subterrific> i wish i could get into it, but i just enjoy playing. its more of a hobby
[11:44] <jono> ahhh right
[11:45] <jono> jees I havent heard Fragile for ages
[11:46] <subterrific> jono: oh definitely, thats the problem with that blacktape track for instance, you can't hear half the tracks because they're all there all the time at the same level
[11:50] <jono> I havent heard Presence for ages either hehe
[11:55] <jono> anyone know if lame is packaged for ubuntu?
[11:55] <subterrific> jono: it isn't
[11:56] <subterrific> but its packaged for debian
[11:56] <jono> I need an MP3 encoder that sound juicer can use
[11:56] <jono> if I install lame for debian, will it work though?
[11:56] <subterrific> yes
[11:56] <jono> where are the lame packages?
[11:56] <subterrific> http://hpisi.nerim.net/
[11:58] <jono> surely unofficial packages will break ubuntu when I upgrade to the next release?
[11:59] <Treenaks> jono: they might
[11:59] <jono> I assume I just uninstall the package then
[11:59] <jono> and it would work
[11:59] <subterrific> jono: just try to keep it to a minimum
[11:59] <subterrific> plus, lame will probably never be packaged officially by ubuntu
[11:59] <Treenaks> I only installed libdvdcss from there..  oh and the w32codecs
[12:00] <jono> ahhh cool, no dependencies needed
[12:00] <subterrific> jono: that repos is pretty strictly stuff that can't ever be official
[12:01] <jono> I need sound juicer to have an mp3 encoder, so I installed lame and now it says gstreamer doesnt work
[12:01] <subterrific> copyright issues, yay america land of freedom
[12:01] <jono> could not create gstreamer encoder
[12:01] <Lowe> add this to get all that audio stuff http://www.rarewares.org/debian/packages/unstable/ ./
[12:01] <Treenaks> jono: encode to ogg then..
[12:01] <jono> Treenaks, I need to encode to MP3 - for my iRiver database to work
[12:01] <jono> how can I make gstreamer do this?
[12:01] <Treenaks> jono: you'll probably need a re-compiled gstreamer
[12:02] <Treenaks> which tends to be Hard
[12:02] <subterrific> uhh no
[12:02] <subterrific> gstreamer is plugin based
[12:02] <Treenaks> subterrific: yes, but you'll need the gstreamer plugin then
[12:02] <jono> I am getting gstreamer-plugins
[12:04] <|trey|> subterrific: Ubuntu should install gstreamer0.8-plugins-ffmpeg by default...
[12:05] <subterrific> |trey|: it can't
[12:05] <|trey|> Especially if they will be sticking with totem-gstreamer...
[12:05] <|trey|> why?
[12:05] <Treenaks> subterrific: why not? ffmpeg itself is free..
[12:05] <|trey|> totem-gstreamer is useless without codecs...
[12:05] <subterrific> |trey|: ffmpeg violates US copyright law, wooo go USA!
[12:05] <Treenaks> subterrific: it does? how?
[12:06] <subterrific> it includes an mp3 encoder for one
[12:06] <|trey|> subterrific: put the server in a devs house in Mexico or something  :/
[12:06] <|trey|> Heck, even canada for the most part...
[12:06] <jono> I am using ripperx that steps over the gstreamer bullshit
[12:06] <jono> :)
[12:07] <|trey|> jono: gstreamer bullshit? gstreamer is THE shit... if you use everything they worked on...
[12:07] <subterrific> jono: just fyi: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/07/msg01833.html
[12:07] <|trey|> subterrific: only thing to note... thats not 0.8  :/
[12:08] <subterrific> |trey|: work on those reading skills
[12:08] <|trey|> Thats 0.6 or something...
[12:08] <|trey|> subterrific: package says gstreamer-mad...
[12:08] <|trey|> thats 0.6
[12:08] <|trey|> gstreamer0.8-mad would be newest though...
[12:09] <|trey|> apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins-misc with universe enabled... should be there... else sarge...
[12:09] <subterrific> that email doesn't mention gstreamer-mad at all, its about gstreamer-lame
[12:09] <subterrific> you need sleep or something
[12:10] <subterrific> and it gives instructions for gstreamer 0.6 and 0.8
[12:10] <|trey|> 1. fetch a gstreamer-lame RPM. I got mine from --- first line of what that guy wrote...
[12:10] <subterrific> "or v0.8 for
[12:10] <subterrific>    sound-juicer v0.5.12+. I used a PLD package"
[12:10] <subterrific> same line
[12:11] <subterrific> and if you go to the url http://henrik.synth.no/deb/
[12:11] <|trey|> 4 lines later  :/
[12:11] <subterrific> http://henrik.synth.no/deb/gstreamer0.8-lame_0.8.2-2_i386.deb
[12:11] <|trey|> so it recommends 0.6 OR 0.8.. oh, I see...
[12:11] <|trey|> subterrific: thankyou  :)
[12:11] <|trey|> gstreamer0.8-plugins-misc depends that  :)
[12:12] <subterrific> i've never used alien though, so no idea how well it works
[12:12] <subterrific> rpm->deb seems kind of sketchy
[12:12] <|trey|> subterrific: he posted a deb...
[12:12] <subterrific> which was created from the rpm using alien
[12:12] <subterrific> read the email
[12:12] <|trey|> subterrific: works for me... none failed atleast... and worked when I installed them...
[12:12] <subterrific> i'm going to sleep
[12:13] <|trey|> alien --to-deb some.rpm  :/
[12:14] <Lowe> anyone know an easier way to mount filesystems? (gui or something)
[12:14] <|trey|> http://tigert.gimp.org/log/files/uploads/gnome-notification-rss-distractor_v2.png  LOOK, JDUB... I WANT THIS FEATURE  :)
[12:15] <|trey|> Lowe: not mount though?
[12:15] <Lowe> huh
[12:16] <|trey|> mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /windows (after creating windows)
[12:16] <Lowe> i want to mount an ext3 partiton
[12:16] <Lowe> but i don't know what hda(number) it is
[12:16] <|trey|> mount -t ext3 /dev/hda5 /some/where/here
[12:17] <subterrific> Lowe: is it removable media?
[12:17] <Lowe> no
[12:17] <Lowe> it has my pr0n on it lol
[12:17] <|trey|> Lowe: why no entry in /etc/fstab for it? 
[12:17] <|trey|> then it comes up every time (no pun intended)
[12:18] <Lowe> all mines says is
[12:18] <|trey|> you could try mounting them all, and see which one has your pron  :/
[12:18] <Lowe> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[12:18] <Lowe> /dev/hda3       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[12:18] <Lowe> /dev/hda6       none            swap    sw              0       0
[12:18] <Lowe> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[12:18] <Lowe> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[12:19] <|trey|> yeah, you will need a new entry enless you don't mind typing a command all the time  :/
[12:19] <|trey|> Well... after every reboot... so about twice a year here...
[12:19] <Lowe> my windows partiton isn't in there either, should it be?
[12:19] <Treenaks> Lowe: only if you want to mount it
[12:19] <|trey|> Lowe: if you want it to be mounted at boot... sure...
[12:19] <Lowe> i do because it has my music on it
[12:20] <|trey|> Lowe: win98 or nt?
[12:20] <Lowe> (only reason why i still have windows) 
[12:20] <Lowe> winxp
[12:20] <|trey|> like I said then... mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /windows
[12:21] <Lowe> yeah i did that in the command line earlier but it's not in my fstab
[12:21] <|trey|> windows is first partion on primary master ide cable, thus /dev/hda1
[12:21] <|trey|> (it has to be to use grub)
[12:22] <|trey|> well, no, but its easier in that order  :/
[12:22] <Lowe> when i type mount i get /dev/hda1 on /mnt type ntfs (rw,uid=1000,gid=1000,utf8)
[12:22] <Lowe> do i paste that in my fstab?
[12:22] <|trey|> Then its already mounted apparently....
[12:22] <Lowe> yes i know it is, but so it mounts when i reboot
[12:22] <|trey|> no.... follow the same syntax... man fstab
[12:23] <petemc> Lowe: dont use that to mount ntfs
[12:23] <Lowe> why?
[12:23] <|trey|> petemc: high  :)
[12:23] <petemc> its not rw, for one thing
[12:23] <petemc> hey |trey| 
[12:23] <|trey|> petemc: just enter that in fstab (ro)
[12:23] <petemc> Lowe: umask=022 is the only option you should need
[12:23] <|trey|> petemc: its already mounted now  :(
[12:24] <Lowe> i couldn't acces my files as a normal user so i added the rest of that crap
[12:24] <|trey|> petemc: or like that  :)
[12:24] <Lowe> and i need utf8
[12:24] <petemc> ok, so add that
[12:24] <Lowe> other wise i won't see my japanese files
[12:24] <|trey|> Lowe: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[12:24] <Lowe> huh
[12:25] <|trey|> select (for instance) US_en_UTF-8
[12:25] <|trey|> (uhh... or us_EN_UTF-8... I'm not perfect)
[12:25] <Lowe> uhm maybe later, anyway how do i mount my other partitons?
[12:26] <|trey|> Same thing... only -t ext3
[12:26] <Lowe> i don't know what one has my stuff on it ><
[12:26] <|trey|> like I said though... if you don't know the device file... its gonna be tedious...
[12:26] <Lowe> grr that's why you need a gui for this kind of crap
[12:26] <|trey|> Mount them all... one has it... hdaX probably... enless you have 2 hd's  :/
[12:27] <petemc> fdisk -l
[12:27] <|trey|> petemc: no mount point selected... only fs... he would need to guess by size... narrows it down I suppose  :)
[12:29] <Lowe> /dev/hda1   *           1       50475    25438896    7  HPFS/NTFS
[12:29] <Lowe> /dev/hda2           50476       66653     8153712    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[12:29] <Lowe> /dev/hda3           66654       79780     6616008   83  Linux
[12:29] <Lowe> /dev/hda5           50476       66014     7831183+  83  Linux
[12:29] <Lowe> /dev/hda6           66015       66653      322024+  82  Linux swap
[12:30] <|trey|> Looks to me like /dev/hda2, which would make sense...
[12:31] <Lowe> ok so what do i type 
[12:32] <|trey|> petemc: decided you like Jdub's Gnome too?  8-)
[12:34] <petemc> trying gnome2.8 was probably the main reason i installed ubuntu, yeah
[12:34] <petemc> Lowe: mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/win -o umask=022
[12:34] <Lowe> but that's already mounted, im trying to mount my other partiton
[12:35] <|trey|> petemc: I'm liking Computers and trashapplet  :)  ... usually no icons anyway... tedious to access when you're doing something else...
[12:36] <Lowe> i found my old fstab the partion i had mounted on mandrake was
[12:36] <|trey|> +firefox and industrial = pretty much what I use anyway  :)
[12:36] <Lowe> dev/hda5 /home/lowe/Stored ext3 umask=0,nls=utf-8 0 0
[12:36] <|trey|> Lowe: Stored needs to be created to use it... also /dev/hda5...
[12:38] <Lowe> uhm just tell me what to put in my fstab
[12:38] <Lowe> And i will reboot
[12:39] <|trey|> Also, it would appear your user account for ubuntu is Lowe, not lowe
[12:39] <|trey|> what petemc said  :)
[12:39] <Lowe> yeah but that was my old fstab (ie when i had mandrake, it was on a floppy just incase you were wondering)
[12:39] <|trey|> Lowe: petemc = smart... listen to him, not I  :)
[12:40] <|trey|> Or me... and Mandrake  blah... I hate mandrake, but it should be the same  :/
[12:40] <Lowe> mandrake sucks lol 
[12:41] <|trey|> The 'easy installer' takes too long... and there is too much emphasis on Mandrake Club... even in the Community Edition...
[12:42] <|trey|> Pretty is ok... but there is NO reason to make it assume you're a moron :/
[12:42] <Lowe> I got banned from the mandrake forums for saying the club is for homo's lol
[12:42] <petemc> Lowe: in fstab, /dev/hdaN /mnt/point    ext3  defaults    0   2
[12:42] <housetier> I'd ban you for much less, Lowe
[12:43] <|trey|> Of course, I fully support replacing options for... nothing... then it takes less time  :)
[12:43] <Lowe>  /dev/hdaN <why N if it's 5
[12:43] <petemc> replace N with the partition number you want mounted
[12:44] <|trey|> Especially when its so simular to what I would set my box up with anyway  :)
[12:45] <Lowe> petemc shouldn't i copy the same options as / or is that a bad idea
[12:45] <petemc> defaults should be fine
[12:45] <|trey|> Although... despite it being justifiable in business... I wouldn't have included lsb related packages... namely rpm and alien... not needed...
[12:45] <Lowe> will that display utf9 fine?
[12:45] <Lowe> utf8*
[12:45] <|trey|> Lowe: if you reconfigure locales... sure...
[12:45] <petemc> if you have the correct locales set up it should
[12:46] <|trey|> gdebconf might make it easier... not used it yet though... IT SHOULD BE THOUGHT ABOUT THOUGH
[12:46] <Lowe> but my current / shows japanese files fine
[12:46] <Lowe> and i didn't mess with any locales
[12:47] <|trey|> Lowe: but that doesn't mean its UTF-8  :/
[12:47] <Lowe> oh
[12:48] <Lowe> what do i do to make sure it is?
[12:48] <|trey|> You need to enable it.... dpkg-reconfigure locales... select the one that looks like the one selected... but ends with UTF-8
[12:49] <|trey|> The one selected will be under J... not very original I know  :)
[12:49] <mojo> yay! new updates from Ubuntu - new XFree86 fixes - yay!
[12:50] <|trey|> Lowe: dpkg-reconfigure basically re-performs post-inst scripts... the configuration part of installing a package...
[12:50] <Lowe> en_GB.UTF-8 UTF-8 will that one do?
[12:50] <|trey|> Thats not japenese... but if you're in England, that will be right  :)
[12:51] <Lowe> Im in scotland but ok
[12:51] <|trey|> Locales is also language etc... so things will be spelled "colour" instead of "color" for instance  :)
[12:51] <Lowe> i think it picked the wrong one
[12:51] <Lowe> Generating locales...
[12:51] <Lowe>   en_GB.ISO-8859-1... done
[12:51] <Lowe> Generation complete.
[12:52] <|trey|> Umm... yeah... the UTF-8 one is supposed to be listed  :/   
[12:52] <topyli> the whole locale business is annoying.
[12:52] <Lowe> but i did pick utf-8
[12:53] <Lowe> is it yet another bug?
[12:53] <|trey|> Or ID 10 T error  :/
[12:54] <|trey|> Do it with roots environment...
[12:54] <|trey|> sudo root passwd && su
[12:54] <Lowe> ok it works now
[12:54] <cef> |trey|: ID 10 T error is too well known now.. as is Pebkac.. so at work we now use RUAPAK
[12:54] <cef> |trey|: Replace User And Press Any Key
[12:55] <|trey|> cef: whats that?
[12:55] <Lowe> right now to add the NTFS partiton to my fstab
[12:55] <Lowe> and i will be done
[12:55] <|trey|> cef: hahahha  :)
[12:55] <|trey|> rew ah pak?
[12:55] <cef> that'd do it
[12:55] <|trey|> :)
[12:56] <|trey|> Lowe: same thing... only now its ntfs, not ext3  :/
[12:56] <|trey|> I could just do it for you?
[12:57] <Lowe> will i type ntfs in caps?
[12:57] <Treenaks> Lowe: no
[12:57] <|trey|> uhh... no
[12:57] <|trey|> thats why I typed it in lower case earlier  :/
[12:58] <Lowe> will i use defualts again for options?
[12:58] <|trey|> Lowe: fstab or file system table just handles mount for you basically... at boot...
[12:59] <Lowe> so it doesn't matter what i put for options really?
[12:59] <|trey|> The table that points software at hardware...
[01:00] <|trey|> Lowe: umm, they have to be valid... man fstab
[01:00] <|trey|> I don't like repeating myself...
[01:00] <housetier> then don't
[01:00] <|trey|> housetier: it was the answer though  :/
[01:01] <Lowe> my options in mandrake were umask=0,iocharset=utf8,ro
[01:01] <|trey|> ok... and those are some of many  :/
[01:02] <|trey|> 3 of about 10 or so  :/
[01:02] <|trey|> for that section...
[01:02] <Lowe> but what should i put :(
[01:02] <|trey|> The man page has all the answers I can't be asked to answer, honest...
[01:03] <|trey|> Even some that I have answered... but I expected you to be reading  :/
[01:03] <Lowe> reading is boring
[01:03] <|trey|> Great attitude.
[01:04] <|trey|> I'm going to stop wasting my time now.
[01:04] <dalderman> moring guys and gals
[01:04] <dalderman> I'm back with more problems :-)
[01:04] <|trey|> dalderman: shoot  :)
[01:04] <housetier> hooray dalderman 
[01:04] <dalderman> When I run totem I get an error and it quits
[01:04] <dalderman> "An error occured. Resource busy or not available"
[01:05] <|trey|> dalderman: umm, what does the error say?
[01:05] <|trey|> Umm... lsof /dev/dsp.
[01:05] <dalderman> I am using esd and system sounds, which are working ok
[01:05] <dalderman> scutter:~# lsof /dev/dsp
[01:05] <dalderman> COMMAND  PID USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME
[01:05] <dalderman> esd     4399  dan    5w   CHR   14,3      6637 /dev/dsp
[01:06] <mojo> exuse me every1, I installed nvidia-glx, now I wonder does this include the GTK2 GUI Config Program?
[01:06] <|trey|> ok... gstreamer0.8-esd installed? dpkg -l | grep it
[01:06] <Lowe> i will just guess lol if it fucks up it fucks up brb
[01:06] <|trey|> Worst case scenario "it's not mounted" "here's the error"....
[01:07] <|trey|> Else I get to kill... deal?  8-)
[01:07] <dalderman> |trey|, nope, not there, I shall install
[01:07] <dalderman> could this be a borked dependancy then?
[01:07] <|trey|> dalderman: apt-get install gstreamer-plugins-misc
[01:08] <|trey|> dalderman: umm, no... bad package selection perhaps...
[01:08] <dalderman> I don't have a package called that
[01:08] <dalderman> I have gstreamer-plugins
[01:08] <|trey|> dalderman: Sarge has them...
[01:08] <|trey|> dalderman: apt-cache show that and see if it mentions esd at all
[01:09] <|trey|> ctrl + page up /page down = scroll
[01:09] <dalderman> scutter:/home/dan# apt-cache show gstreamer-plugins-misc
[01:09] <dalderman> W: Unable to locate package gstreamer-plugins-misc
[01:09] <dalderman> I need to add to my sources.list then
[01:09] <|trey|> ahhh... plugins...
[01:10] <|trey|> dalderman: its not recommended that you use "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free" though...
[01:10] <dalderman> sure
[01:11] <dalderman> I have universe in there, but I guess that's different right?
[01:11] <|trey|> However you can set priority...
[01:11] <|trey|> thats only main, not contrib or non-free
[01:11] <dalderman> how do I do dat den?
[01:11] <|trey|> I suppose with universe, you could could just not use main from Debian...
[01:13] <dalderman> |trey|, forgive me, I am a little lost with what I should do
[01:13] <dalderman> |trey|, I'm a bit of  Debian newbie still
[01:14] <dalderman> |trey|, RedHat convert
[01:14] <werewolf> Hi all, I just re-installed on my machine win 2000 and ubuntu, GRUB for loader, but win doesn't start, any hints?
[01:14] <beezly> werewolf: what happens when you try to start windows?
[01:14] <|trey|> dalderman: apt is god... debconf is your best friend... dpkg does what its told...
[01:15] <werewolf> beezly: nothig, I see only the grub command
[01:16] <Lowe> I did it :D
[01:16] <Lowe> it works fine now
[01:16] <beezly> werewolf: and what does it say?
[01:16] <|trey|> werewolf: that would be bad..
[01:16] <dalderman> |trey|, so what do I add to sources.list to get the plugins-misc package from Sarge?
[01:16] <|trey|> You type what I said  :/
[01:16] <|trey|> Scroll up
[01:17] <dalderman> |trey|, the line about not reccomended?
[01:17] <Lowe> Although i had a very slow boot up, i forgot to copy down the error
[01:17] <|trey|> dalderman: you ever do apt-cache show gstreamer0.8-plugins and look for esd?
[01:18] <|trey|> Lowe: not slow if you time it... back scrolling just makes it seem longer  ;)
[01:18] <|trey|> black*
[01:18] <werewolf2> beezly, title           Windows NT/2000/XP
[01:18] <werewolf2> rootnoverify    (hd0,0)
[01:18] <werewolf2> savedefault
[01:18] <werewolf2> makeactive
[01:18] <werewolf2> chainloader     +1
[01:18] <|trey|> Hit the reset key, and find a better howto...
[01:19] <dalderman> yeah
[01:19] <dalderman> |trey|, it's in the depends list for that package
[01:19] <|trey|> Fedora was having problems though with dual booting, so perhaps its something with grub right now...
[01:19] <|trey|> dalderman: DAMN YOU!!!!
[01:19] <|trey|> dalderman: grr... INSTALL THAT THEN!!! (gstreamer0.8-plugins)
[01:20] <dalderman> |trey|, I have
[01:20] <|trey|> -misc is a few more.. but its more...
[01:20] <dalderman> |trey|, same problem
[01:20] <|trey|> ok... then it should work  :/
[01:20] <dalderman> |trey|, nope
[01:20] <dalderman> |trey|, and no need to shout
[01:20] <dalderman> |trey|, I'm trying my best
[01:20] <|trey|> COmpter >> Desktop Preferences >> Sound >> Start Sound Server
[01:21] <dalderman> |trey|, is already running
[01:21] <|trey|> logout and back in...
[01:21] <dalderman> |trey|, ok
[01:21] <|trey|> Wait.... ps -e | grep esd
[01:22] <|trey|> If its running /etc/init.d/esd restart
[01:22] <dalderman> |trey|, ok
[01:22] <dalderman> |trey|, there is no esd service in there
[01:23] <|trey|> ok... then you need to log out  :/
[01:23] <dalderman> |trey|, kill -HUP instead?
[01:23] <Lowe> trey i know it was to good to be true lol, only root can modify the files :(
[01:23] <|trey|> umm... actually just do what I said anyway  :/
[01:23] <dalderman> |trey|, brb
[01:23] <|trey|> esd lets you have more then one sound process...
[01:24] <|trey|> gstreamer won't let go of /dev/dsp  :/
[01:24] <|trey|> Now he can make it let go via esd  :/
[01:25] <|trey|> Apparently alsa lets you too... but I don't remember where I saw that working...
[01:25] <|trey|> It rarely does though....
[01:25] <|trey|> I think Fedora actually  :/
[01:25] <Lowe> trey will i put user in options(fstab)? so i can modify the files
[01:26] <|trey|> Lowe: DO NOT ATTEMPT TO CHANGE FILES!!!
[01:26] <|trey|> enless you could care less about losing it of course...
[01:26] <|trey|> IE, the partition...
[01:26] <|trey|> Most would rather avoid the risk  :/
[01:27] <dalderman> |trey|, nope no better
[01:27] <pere> Hi. Great distro!
[01:27] <dalderman> |trey|, I get the same problem as root too
[01:27] <|trey|> dalderman: grrr!!
[01:27] <Lowe> uhm im on about my partiton with my pr0n on it has padlocks on the folders
[01:27] <Treenaks> Lowe: "read-only"
[01:27] <Kamion> aj: yo. saw my name invoked, but I don't have access to our ftp-master equivalent, I'm afraid; elmo or thom do
[01:27] <Lowe> yeah how would i change that
[01:27] <|trey|> Lowe: user needs rights...
[01:28] <|trey|> you can do 'disks'... its already there...
[01:28] <dalderman> |trey|, should I file a bug now?
[01:28] <|trey|> That would be in man fstab though...
[01:28] <thom> Kamion: what was the question? (I have a few weeks while firefox builds)
[01:28] <|trey|> dalderman: I suppose... what would it say though?  "sound won't work" isn't helpful...
[01:28] <dalderman> thom, LOL
[01:29] <cef> thom: heh
[01:29] <dalderman> |trey|, sound works fine, totem crashes on startup for me
[01:29] <dalderman> |trey|, crashes on startup for root too
[01:29] <pere> Im unable to get bitTorrent to work. I tried installing bittorrent, but get en error: Could not load wxPython
[01:29] <dalderman> |trey|, with a SIGSEV
[01:29] <Kamion> thom: "where's the signing key for Release.gpg"
[01:29] <|trey|> dalderman: using totem-gstreamer or totem-xine?
[01:29] <Hrdwr_BoB> pere: you need to use it in a terminal
[01:29] <Mithrandir> pere: sounds like you've installed bittornado.
[01:29] <Hrdwr_BoB> use btdownloadcurses
[01:29] <dalderman> |trey|, just "totem" on the menu or on the command line
[01:29] <|trey|> Kamion: I still don't see why you need that  :(
[01:29] <Lowe> trey i changed the permissons but it doesn't change them for all files and folders
[01:29] <aj> Kamion/thom: tnx
[01:29] <dalderman> |trey|, I shall try the others
[01:30] <thom> aj: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/misc/
[01:30] <housetier> pere, another suggestion: azureus
[01:30] <aj> err, that's not the right key?
[01:30] <Mithrandir> thom: it's not the one used for signing the Release.gpg
[01:30] <Kamion> |trey|: because it's the root of trust for the entirety of a Debian archive's security
[01:30] <thom> ooook
[01:30] <Kamion> |trey|: at least as far as clients are concerned
[01:30] <sivang> we now have a misc entry? or is this the "universe" repo?
[01:30] <thom> i shall kick elmo then
[01:30] <pere> Hrdwr_BoB: Can I use btdownloadcurses directly from Firefox (just clicking a torrent-link)?
[01:30] <Mithrandir> sivang: it's not a repo, it's just a directory.
[01:30] <|trey|> Kamion: correction, it WILL be, when 0.6 someday is in Stable...
[01:31] <Kamion> |trey|: furthermore aj wrote the script most people use to verify it (if they bother at all ...)
[01:31] <thom> unless i fix bittorrent first :P
[01:31] <Mithrandir> pere: I doubt it, currently.
[01:31] <Kamion> |trey|: you can verify it without apt 0.6
[01:31] <sivang> Mithrandir : for unspported stuff ?
[01:31] <dalderman> |trey|, I don't have totem-xine or totem-gstreamer, just totem.  Although installing totem-xine removes totem-gstreamer
[01:31] <Hrdwr_BoB> pere: hm.. possibly, I use it in a terminal btdownloadcurses --url 'http://foo.bar/baz.torrent'
[01:31] <Kamion> |trey|: it's a matter of verifying the signature and all the md5sums recursively
[01:31] <|trey|> debsigs?
[01:31] <Kamion> |trey|: no
[01:31] <Mithrandir> sivang: nah, for misc stuff, like the key which is used to sign the releases and such.
[01:31] <Kamion> |trey|: debsigs goes in individual .debs, it's a different scheme
[01:31] <Lowe> |trey| i thought i would have to change it in the fstab for me to get access to it?
[01:32] <|trey|> Lowe: you need to read the man page, specifically where it talks about rights...
[01:32] <|trey|> rights and access...
[01:32] <dalderman> |trey|, installing totem-xine makes it worse, itgives me a "The application totem has quit unexpectedly" error
[01:32] <|trey|> Lowe: I am getting sick of saying RTFM...
[01:32] <pere> Hrdwr_BoB: What package do I install. I see nothing similar to btdownloadcurses in Synaptic
[01:33] <Mithrandir> pere: "bittorrent"
[01:33] <|trey|> dalderman: wtf did you do?
[01:33] <Lowe> |trey| If your getting sick of it why offer to help in the first place?
[01:33] <fabbione> thom: are you sure that's the correct key? the 0x is different
[01:33] <sivang> Hrdwr_Bob : bt has complete brwoser integration
[01:33] <dalderman> |trey|, I tried totem-xine instead of totem-gstreamer
[01:33] <dalderman> |trey|, that seems worse
[01:33] <Linuxbcn> hi!
[01:33] <|trey|> dalderman: thats what I'm using here  :/
[01:33] <|trey|> Same exact packages and configuration  :/
[01:33] <dalderman> |trey|, with esd?
[01:33] <Linuxbcn> what name have a flash plugin in universe source?
[01:34] <dalderman> |trey|, perhaps it's my sound card?
[01:34] <|trey|> dalderman: yes... oh... for shits and giggles... apt-get install libesd-alsa0
[01:34] <dalderman> ok
[01:34] <pere> sivang: with bt you mean bittorent, or a package called bt?
[01:34] <dalderman> just filling a bug with bugbuddy
[01:34] <thom> fabbione: you're slow :-)
[01:34] <pere> ahh.. too late.
[01:35] <|trey|> dalderman: reportbug or from ubuntu's site...
[01:35] <fabbione> thom: sorry.. i am still having some BDSM with X.. you know
[01:35] <dalderman> |trey|, should I go back to totem-gstreamer or stick with the xine one?
[01:35] <|trey|> neither work... gstreamer is default....
[01:36] <thom> fabbione: i think you enjoy that too much
[01:36] <dalderman> |trey|, nope still the same with totem-xine, I'll try gstreamer
[01:36] <|trey|> BDSM?
[01:37] <dalderman> |trey|, nope still segfaults
[01:37] <fabbione> thom: oh yeah.. i love when Xfree86 spanks me :P
[01:37] <dalderman> |trey|, am I your best friend now :-)
[01:38] <pere> Hrdwr_BoB: Thanks. btdownloadcurses works very nice from the command line...
[01:38] <housetier> dalderman, does playing music with rhythmbox work? (afaik rb uses the gstreamer backend too)
[01:38] <dalderman> housetier, not tried that, one sec
[01:39] <Hrdwr_BoB> pere: np
[01:40] <pere> Pity though if there isnt a decent way to start it directly from the browser. Now I can't tell my girlfriend that in Linux she just can click on the movies she want to download (ehhh did I say movies?. I meant large iso files with linux distributions)
[01:40] <dalderman> housetier, "OSS device "/dev/dsp" is already in uise by another program"
[01:40] <dalderman> housetier, does it not use esd then?
[01:40] <Linuxbcn>  apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree non rulez... mmmm
[01:40] <Hrdwr_BoB> pere: you could make a launcher and 'start in terminal'
[01:41] <Mithrandir> pere: pere somebody could package http://gnome-bt.sourceforge.net/
[01:41] <Hrdwr_BoB> then drag/drop
[01:41] <Hrdwr_BoB> I think
[01:41] <Mithrandir> s/ pere/ /
[01:41] <sivang> pere : are you talking about bittorrent?
[01:41] <pere> yes
[01:41] <sivang> pere : there is
[01:42] <pere> When I start it from the browser I get errors about wxPython missing
[01:42] <sivang> pere : you just install the bittorrent package, and when you click on a .torrent link it opens automatically
[01:42] <sivang> pere : sec
[01:42] <pere> and something about wxPython discontinued development...
[01:42] <housetier> dalderman, that indeed is a strange error message. in newer kernels alsa provides an OSS emulation that actually should be able to handle multiple sound sources
[01:43] <housetier> dalderman, you see I can listen to radio streams with bmp and still listen what it said in the latest anime release playing in mplayer
[01:44] <dalderman> perhaps it's the driver for my specific sound card?
[01:44] <pere> sivang: It is trying to start a program called btdownloadgui.
[01:44] <dalderman> housetier, snd_intel8x0
[01:45] <dalderman> housetier, should I file a bug?
[01:45] <sivang> pere : try for a sec open another terminal and start that program manually
[01:45] <sivang> pere : type "btdownloadgui"
[01:45] <housetier> dalderman, I don't think we've tried everything yet :)
[01:45] <dalderman> housetier, ok
[01:45] <dalderman> housetier, just trying xmms with esd
[01:46] <dalderman> housetier, yep that works
[01:46] <dalderman> housetier, breaks if I change to OSS driver tho
[01:46] <pere> I get an error here as well. Sending you the error as a priv msg
[01:46] <thom> pere: possibly you're missing libwxgtk2.4-python, which is only a recommends and which btdownloadgui needs
[01:46] <Kamion> pere: sounds like you need to install libwxgtk2.4-python
[01:47] <housetier> dalderman, hmmm can you tell totem (xine or gstreamer) to use esd as well?
[01:47] <sivang> pere : please, do
[01:47] <Kamion> ha, thom beat me
[01:47] <dalderman> housetier, not sure how, command line perhaps?
[01:47] <thom> Kamion: same minute :-)
[01:47] <sivang> Kamion : that package should have depended on that lib
[01:47] <Kamion> sivang: it's not required for all functionality in that package
[01:47] <sivang> Kamion : only for GTK support?
[01:48] <Kamion> sivang: that's why it's a recommends
[01:48] <sivang> Kamion : meaning that ncurses interface would work fine..ok
[01:48] <pere> sivang: OK. I was not able to copy and pass the error-msg anyway...:-)
[01:48] <housetier> dalderman, only thing I can think of is "totem --disable-sound" so it maybe starts up correctly, then try to find something in the settings, save those, and restart without --disable
[01:48] <sivang> pere : before everything else, try
[01:48] <dalderman> housetier, ok
[01:49] <sivang> pere : apt-get install libwxgtk2.4-python
[01:49] <dalderman> housetier, nope still get device busy error
[01:49] <sivang> pere : than try to re execute btdownloadgui without parameters, should give you a gtk window with available command line options.
[01:49] <thom> Kamion/aj: key should be fixed now
[01:50] <dalderman> this sucks I don't want to have to use XMMS
[01:50] <dalderman> I had Sarge on here before and it all worked
[01:50] <dalderman> kernel 2.4 tho
[01:50] <dalderman> non alsa
[01:51] <pere> ahhh... its a buty..:-) installed and tested. Already downloading my first bittorrent-file. Thanks a lot everybody!!
[01:52] <dalderman> should I file a bug now then?
[01:52] <housetier> dalderman, there is already a bug filed for debian
[01:52] <dalderman> housetier, k
[01:52] <dalderman> housetier, I shall have to be patient then
[01:52] <dalderman> housetier, is it "oss won't share with esd" ?
[01:52] <housetier> dalderman, http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-gnome-maintainers/2004-July/005480.html and the reply: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-gnome-maintainers/2004-July/005501.html
[01:52] <dalderman> housetier, ta
[01:52] <sivang> pere : :-)
[01:53] <sivang> dakderman : why not using XMMS?
[01:53] <sivang> dalderman : why not XMMS?
[01:53] <dalderman> sivang, coz it's ugly
[01:53] <dalderman> sivang, gtk1
[01:54] <dalderman> sivang, and not really part of gnome
[01:54] <housetier> dalderman, you should give beep media player a try then
[01:54] <dalderman> sivang, I want rythmbox management style
[01:54] <dalderman> housetier, ok
[01:54] <dalderman> housetier, not heard of that one
[01:54] <housetier> dalderman, http://beepmp.sf.net for info screenshots etc
[01:55] <dalderman> housetier, still have a broken totem tho
[01:55] <dalderman> housetier, what should I use for video?
[01:56] <housetier> dalderman, the obvious answer is: use the player that works :D
[01:57] <housetier> dalderman, I only use mplayer, vlc when I have trouble setting the aspect ratio
[01:57] <housetier> dalderman, but then I have a very unique setup here
[02:00] <dalderman> housetier, yay beep player crashes too!
[02:01] <dalderman> housetier, I think it's crappy sound drivers
[02:01] <housetier> (its the reason I don't like sound daemons)
[02:03] <dalderman> housetier, mplayer crashes too
[02:03] <dalderman> housetier, I think I will not use esd
[02:05] <housetier> dalderman, however I can't really help you there. my setup is fundamentally different from yours. I can but give you hints and pointers
[02:05] <tseng> hm am i missing something, or is the ubuntu kernel source not available
[02:06] <spiv> tseng: linux-source-*
[02:06] <tseng> ah was looking at kernel-source
[02:06] <tseng> ta
[02:07] <dalderman> housetier, thanks for all your help
[02:07] <dalderman> |trey|, you too, thank you
[02:09] <dalderman> housetier, oss and alsa output works with beep-player
[02:09] <dalderman> housetier, once esd is dead
[02:10] <axe9> my coputer is still t3h borked..
[02:12] <housetier> dalderman, maybe it'll work with totem as well (once you made sure esd is not running anymore)
[02:13] <dalderman> housetier, nope just tried that
[02:13] <dalderman> housetier, totem still has the same error
[02:13] <axe9> anyoen know why my sound doesn't work?
[02:14] <dalderman> sound is the topic of the day it seems
[02:14] <dalderman> mplaer won't play my new StarWars DVD either
[02:15] <Hrdwr_BoB> that's convenient because it's broken
[02:15] <Hrdwr_BoB> han doesn't shoot first
[02:15] <Hrdwr_BoB> >:|
[02:15] <dalderman> lol
[02:15] <dalderman> won't play Empire either
[02:17] <dalderman> gxine plays it :-)
[02:18] <axe9> I just don't get ANY soud
[02:18] <axe9> sound*
[02:18] <Lowe> mplayer plays al my dvd's fine *yawn*
[02:18] <dalderman> nope, that crashes too
[02:19] <dalderman> Lowe, can I have your computer please?
[02:19] <Lowe> Maybe for your christmas
[02:19] <thaytan> dalderman: use totem-xine for DVDs
[02:20] <dalderman> thaytan, I just spent about an hour trying to find out why totem-xine crashes with no success
[02:20] <thaytan> ouch
[02:21] <dalderman> basically all multimedia on my laptop dies with Ubuntu
[02:21] <dalderman> it was fine with Sarge
[02:21] <dalderman> I think it's kernel 2.6 audio
[02:21] <thaytan> setting the audio output to null should tell you that
[02:21] <thaytan> or using esd
[02:21] <dalderman> gxine crashes with "NAV packet borked"
[02:21] <dalderman> esd works
[02:22] <dalderman> just nothing else will when it runs
[02:22] <Lowe> I'm glad i don't have all these problems :P
[02:22] <thaytan> dalderman: NAV packet borked is interesting
[02:26] <psyklops> I have been trying all night to install ubuntu, and every time I get the same result: at a random time during installation of the base system, I get disk i/o errors from my CDROM (hdb). I've tried burning the ISO to other disks, but that doesn't help.
[02:26] <thaytan> it could be a deficiency in libdvdnav
[02:26] <dalderman> Lowe, aren't you lucky
[02:26] <Treenaks> thaytan: or a buggy dvd
[02:26] <thaytan> Treenaks: good point
[02:26] <dalderman> I'll get another one and try it
[02:26] <dalderman> brb
[02:26] <housetier> *cough*bad rip*cough*
[02:26] <dalderman> no
[02:26] <dalderman> it's real
[02:26] <housetier> :D
[02:26] <Treenaks> dalderman: which one is it?
[02:26] <dalderman> dvd?
[02:26] <Treenaks> yes
[02:26] <dalderman> Empire Strikes back
[02:26] <dalderman> gonna try Shaun of the Dead
[02:26] <Treenaks> dalderman: hm, I hope it's not a problem with Empire... I've ordered that too
[02:26] <dalderman> gxine is just crashing with that one
[02:26] <dalderman> :-(
[02:26] <dalderman> this is pants!
[02:26] <Treenaks> dalderman: how about totem-xine?
[02:26] <Lowe> gxine hates full screen so it's no use to me
[02:26] <dalderman> Treenaks, have to install, one sec
[02:26] <sabdfl> elmo: any response from internet solutions re mirror in south africa?
[02:26] <psyklop1> bah... disconnected
[02:26] <psyklop1> how much of my message got out there?
[02:27] <Lowe> all of it
[02:27] <dalderman> Treenaks, "The Application Totem has unexpectedly quit"
[02:27] <psyklop1> it was three lines
[02:27] <Treenaks> dalderman: wow.. I'd file a bug
[02:27] <dalderman> ok
[02:27] <dalderman> no dvd's for me :-(
[02:27] <dalderman> good job I still have XP on here
[02:27] <psyklop1> 1) installing ubuntu results in i/o errors at random times
[02:27] <Treenaks> totem-xine works fine with dvds for me
[02:28] <Treenaks> (hm, maybe it's a css problem?)
[02:28] <psyklop1> 2) debian and knoppix install on the system without incident
[02:28] <Lowe> eww xp (I only keep mine because my music is on it)
[02:28] <dalderman> Lowe, well when I can play movies on here it will be gone
[02:28] <dalderman> till then it stays
[02:28] <psyklop1> Are there any known bugs with the filesystem of the iso?
[02:29] <psyklop1> it installs fine on my system, but on the other one it gives me random errors
[02:29] <dalderman> could this be anything to do with me using ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main w32codecs package?
[02:30] <Lowe> download the win32codecs from the mplayer homepage
[02:30] <Lowe> but i doubt that's the problem
[02:31] <dalderman> I shall remove and try anyway
[02:33] <jMi> I've got devices hald is recognising, but Gnome doesn't know what to do with. Is there a collection of .fdi files anywhere, or should I be trying to write my own?
[02:35] <dalderman> aha
[02:35] <dalderman> totem now plays audio
[02:35] <dalderman> not dvd's tho
[02:35] <tseng> hey, new spamassassin is out
[02:36] <Treenaks> dalderman: have you installed libdvdcss from nerim.net as well?
[02:37] <dalderman> nope
[02:37] <dalderman> I removed all the nerim.net packages
[02:37] <dalderman> totem still crashes with dvd's tho
[02:37] <Treenaks> dalderman: you probably need libdvdcss for DVD CSS decoding
[02:37] <gluon> I'm having trouble with my sound card. The module (snd_intel8x0) is loaded, /dev/dsp exists, but I still cannot get sound. Rhythmbox gives out error: OSS device /dev/dsp is already in use by another program. Any ideas how to solve this?
[02:38] <dalderman> Treenaks, should I get that from nerim.net then?
[02:38] <thaytan> gluon: I'd figure out which app is accessing
[02:38] <Treenaks> gluon: tell rhythmbox to use esd
[02:38] <thaytan> it's probably esd
[02:38] <Treenaks> dalderman: it's on nerim.net
[02:39] <gluon> thank you guys, the problem was esd.
[02:40] <dalderman> WOOOHOOO
[02:40] <dalderman> :-)
[02:40] <dalderman> DVD tastic
[02:40] <dalderman> I wonder what the package that breaking it was
[02:40] <dalderman> something from nerim.net
[02:40] <dalderman> I removed them all
[02:41] <dalderman> re-installed libdvdcss, and pulled in loads of other stuff
[02:41] <dalderman> and now it works
[02:41] <dalderman> I shall now test Empire
[02:41] <Treenaks> dalderman: dvdcss probably.. most dvds are encrypted, and libdvdcss "breaks" that encryption so you can watch the movie
[02:42] <dalderman> yes, but it was there before
[02:42] <dalderman> as I was using the nerim.net repository
[02:43] <dalderman> I haven't got the w32codecs package from there on here now tho
[02:43] <dalderman> Empire seems to work ok
[02:43] <housetier> dalderman, that's good news :)
[02:44] <dalderman> so could it be w32codecs breaking it I wonder
[02:44] <Treenaks> dalderman: probably not..
[02:44] <Treenaks> dalderman: I have them, and it works great
[02:44] <dalderman> you wouldn't think so
[02:44] <dalderman> so what was broken then ???
[02:45] <thaytan> Hadess did blog something about fixing the w32codec loader the other day
[02:45] <dalderman> libdvdcss was there b4
[02:45] <Treenaks> don't know..
[02:45] <Treenaks> thaytan: then that might be it..
[02:45] <dalderman> maybe something was corrupt on disk and just needed reinstalling?
[02:45] <housetier> or maybe a package needed an upgrade
[02:45] <Treenaks> very unlikely, unless you altered files yourself
[02:46] <dalderman> Treenaks, true
[02:46] <Treenaks> is "planet ubuntu" up yet?
[02:46] <dalderman> Treenaks, but weirder things happen
[02:46] <dalderman> so I wonder if I can use esd now
[02:47] <dalderman> brb
[02:48] <julien_> hi
[02:48] <tsblack> 'lo all
[02:48] <tsblack> Are any of you aware of mail() issues with the current ubuntu php build?
[02:49] <julien_> I'v just updated ubuntu and my USB storage disks don't appear in "disks" anymore. However, they are mounted correctlt, just not happened to /etc/fstab.
[02:49] <Mitario> hey everyone
[02:49] <dalderman> ok, now my esd isn't starting
[02:50] <dalderman> did I frighten Trey off?
[02:50] <Treenaks> dalderman: esd isn't starting? that's weird..
[02:50] <dalderman> Treenaks, yeah, I know
[02:51] <dalderman> how do I debug this one?
[02:51] <dalderman> maybe my sound hardware is locked, reboot?
[02:52] <thaytan> fuser /dev/dsp /dev/snd/pcmC*p
[02:52] <thaytan> that should give you process ids if anyone is using the sound card
[02:52] <dalderman> nope
[02:52] <dalderman> nada
[02:53] <dalderman> lsof gives nothing either
[02:53] <thaytan> run esd manually?
[02:53] <dalderman> just esd, no args?
[02:53] <thaytan> yeah, that'll do
[02:54] <dalderman> dan@scutter ~ $ esd
[02:54] <dalderman> Audio device open for 44.1Khz, stereo, 16bit failed
[02:54] <dalderman> Trying 44.1Khz, 8bit stereo.
[02:54] <dalderman> Audio device open for 44.1Khz, stereo, 8bit failed
[02:54] <dalderman> Trying 48Khz, 16bit stereo.
[02:54] <dalderman> Audio device open for 48Khz, stereo,16bit failed
[02:54] <dalderman> Trying 22.05Khz, 8bit stereo.
[02:54] <dalderman> Audio device open for 22.05Khz, stereo, 8bit failed
[02:54] <dalderman> Trying 44.1Khz, 16bit mono.
[02:54] <dalderman> Audio device open for 44.1Khz, mono, 8bit failed
[02:54] <dalderman> Trying 22.05Khz, 8bit mono.
[02:54] <dalderman> Audio device open for 22.05Khz, mono, 8bit failed
[02:54] <dalderman> Trying 11.025Khz, 8bit stereo.
[02:54] <dalderman> Audio device open for 11.025Khz, stereo, 8bit failed
[02:54] <dalderman> Trying 11.025Khz, 8bit mono.
[02:54] <dalderman> Audio device open for 11.025Khz, mono, 8bit failed
[02:54] <dalderman> Trying 8.192Khz, 8bit mono.
[02:54] <dalderman> Audio device open for 8.192Khz, mono, 8bit failed
[02:54] <dalderman> Trying 8Khz, 8bit mono.
[02:54] <dalderman> Sound device inadequate for Esound. Fatal.
[02:54] <dalderman> I feel so inadequate
[02:54] <dalderman> Totem still plays audio tho
[02:55] <thaytan> hrmn, no idea what would cause that
[02:55] <thaytan> what's the sound card?
[02:55] <dalderman> intel POS
[02:55] <dalderman> snd_intel8x0
[02:55] <dalderman> Toshiba laptop, Sat Pro A10
[02:55] <thaytan> same I have here
[02:56] <thaytan> (which works)
[02:56] <dalderman> I'll hard reset and see what happens, it was working before
[02:57] <dalderman> brb
[02:57] <lamont> aj: about still?
[02:58] <lamont> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/misc/daily_signing_key.asc is probably it...
[02:58] <thom> lamont: elmo had to fix it first ;-)
[02:59] <lamont> figured it was fixed...
[02:59] <thom> lamont: it was the wrong key, previously
[02:59] <lamont> doh
[03:00] <dalderman> thaytan, nope reset didn't work
[03:01] <dalderman> thaytan, manual run of esd gets same error
[03:01] <thaytan> um... is the oss emulation module loaded?
[03:01] <dalderman> round and round and round we go :-)
[03:01] <dalderman> dan@scutter ~ $ lsmod | grep oss
[03:01] <dalderman> snd_pcm_oss            48168  0
[03:01] <dalderman> snd_mixer_oss          16640  3 snd_pcm_oss
[03:01] <dalderman> snd_pcm                85540  2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss
[03:01] <dalderman> snd                    50660  11 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
[03:02] <dalderman> dan@scutter ~ $ ls -l /dev/dsp
[03:02] <dalderman> crw-rw----    1 root     audio     14,   3 2004-09-22 13:58 /dev/dsp
[03:02] <dalderman> beep player works with OSS output
[03:02] <dalderman> and with alsa output
[03:04] <Treenaks> could you add "snd_intel8x0m" and "snd-intel8x0m" to /etc/hotplug/blacklist, reboot and try again
[03:04] <Treenaks> ?
[03:04] <Treenaks> if it's not in there already
[03:04] <dalderman> already have done
[03:04] <dalderman> remove the modem right?
[03:04] <Treenaks> dalderman: doesn't work? weirdness..
[03:04] <Treenaks> yes
[03:04] <dalderman> Treenaks, yep
[03:04] <dalderman> Treenaks, I am full of that today
[03:05] <Treenaks> dalderman: what happens if you tell ESD to try 48 khz instead of 44.1?
[03:05] <dalderman> Treenaks, just had a thought
[03:06] <dalderman> I had libesd-alsa0 on there from earlier advice, replacing with libesd0
[03:06] <dalderman> Voila!
[03:06] <Treenaks> now it works?
[03:06] <dalderman> I blame |Trey
[03:06] <dalderman> yeah
[03:06] <dalderman> libesd-alsa0 is borked
[03:07] <thom> yeah, that's why we don't install it by default
[03:07] <Treenaks> dalderman: so everything works now? :)
[03:08] <dalderman> Treenaks, nope, Totem is broken now
[03:08] <dalderman> Treenaks, crashes on startup
[03:08] <Treenaks> what's the error?
[03:09] <dalderman> Treenaks, "The App Totem has quit unexpe..."
[03:10] <dalderman> try to restart
[03:10] <dalderman> and it just dies
[03:10] <Treenaks> dalderman: and if you start it from the command line?
[03:10] <dalderman> Treenaks, this is totem-xone
[03:10] <dalderman> xine
[03:10] <Treenaks> dalderman: doesn't matter, that works for me too
[03:10] <dalderman> nothing
[03:10] <dalderman> no output
[03:10] <dalderman> just dies
[03:10] <dalderman> beep player works with esd output tho
[03:11] <Treenaks> don't know then, sorry
[03:11] <dalderman> Treenaks, np, thanks for trying :-)
[03:13] <dalderman> gxine appears to work fine with esd
[03:13] <thaytan> dalderman: how can beep use esd output if it isn't running?
[03:14] <thaytan> oh, you reinstall esd-oss
[03:14] <dalderman> thaytan, yeah, removed the alsa one
[03:14] <dalderman> that was breaking it all
[03:14] <dalderman> IMHO alsa sucks
[03:15] <Sirius_Black> hi guys - how do i 'create' roor in ubuntu with sudo please
[03:15] <Sirius_Black> *root
[03:16] <dalderman> Sirius_Black, it's in the faq
[03:16] <dalderman> Sirius_Black, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.5722653677
[03:16] <Sirius_Black> dalderman: tnx man
[03:17] <dalderman> Sirius_Black, np
[03:17] <dalderman> mmmm DVD playback on framebuffer X
[03:17] <Sirius_Black> i m installing it on my second machine and i had forgotten how i did it the first time round
[03:17] <Sirius_Black> ;)
[03:17] <dalderman> Sirius_Black, sudo passwd root
[03:18] <Sirius_Black> btw - is it possible to get framebuffer on console with nVidia cards
[03:18] <Sirius_Black> thnx dalderman 
[03:18] <dalderman> Sirius_Black, AFAIk, I am using it with i810
[03:19] <andred> Any hope of getting security fixed Firefox and Thunderbird into Ubuntu soon?
[03:19] <dalderman> vga=0x318 should give you vesafb in 1024x768 with 24bit
[03:19] <Sirius_Black> dalderman: sudo paswd root, asks me for a password.  do i give it the user password?
[03:19] <dalderman> The Framebuffer HOWTO on tldp.org has all the modes listed
[03:19] <dalderman> Sirius_Black, yes your password
[03:19] <Treenaks> Sirius_Black: first, user password (to make sudo become root), then it'll ask for a root password
[03:19] <dalderman> Sirius_Black, then it will ask for a new root passwd
[03:20] <Sirius_Black> dalderman, Treenaks - got it tnx
[03:20] <dalderman> Sirius_Black, Treenaks know more than me, he's the eggspurt
[03:20] <dalderman> or she?
[03:20] <dalderman> actually I have no idea
[03:20] <Treenaks> dalderman: he :)
[03:20] <Sirius_Black> dalderman: i810 isnt nVidia.  is it?
[03:20] <dalderman> no
[03:20] <dalderman> but it uses vesa
[03:20] <Sirius_Black> ok
[03:21] <Treenaks> dalderman: doesn't X work natively (including 3d) on i810?
[03:21] <dalderman> which works IIRC
[03:21] <dalderman> my workstation has nvidia
[03:21] <Sirius_Black> so does anyone know if i can have framebuffered console with nVidia cards
[03:21] <dalderman> Treenaks, yes, I'm sick :-)
[03:21] <Treenaks> dalderman: ah ok
[03:21] <Treenaks> Sirius_Black: of course you can
[03:21] <Sirius_Black> Treenaks: tell me how please
[03:21] <Sirius_Black> :-((
[03:22] <dalderman> Sirius_Black, add vga=0x318 to your kernel boot line
[03:22] <Treenaks> Sirius_Black: just like you do on any other card... see dalderman's response
[03:22] <dalderman> Sirius_Black, in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:22] <Sirius_Black> ok tnx - i'll try that and will let u know :-)
[03:22] <dalderman> Sirius_Black, title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.8.1-2-386 Framebuffer
[03:22] <dalderman> root            (hd0,1)
[03:22] <dalderman> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-2-386 root=/dev/hda2 ro vga=0x318 quiet splash
[03:22] <dalderman> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8.1-2-386
[03:22] <dalderman> savedefault
[03:22] <dalderman> boot
[03:22] <Sirius_Black> tnx a lot dalderman and Treenaks 
[03:22] <dalderman> np
[03:23] <dalderman> nice to give some help back
[03:23] <dalderman> I been hogging this place all morning
[03:23] <dalderman> mmmmmm Empire on dvd :-)
[03:23] <Sirius_Black> dalderman: u using mplayer?
[03:23] <dalderman> gxine
[03:23] <Sirius_Black> i c
[03:26] <Se7h> hey
[03:26] <thaytan> Sirius_Black: I believe the correct way to add to the kernel line is to add them to the kopt line
[03:27] <Se7h> doesn't ubuntu come with tcl ?
[03:27] <thaytan> leave it commented out and add to the end
[03:27] <thaytan> then run update-grub
[03:27] <thaytan> otherwise new kernel packages are going to kill your modifications
[03:28] <Sirius_Black> thaytan: tnx
[03:28] <Sirius_Black> btw guys - is it safe to point sources.list to sid and do dist-upgrade?
[03:28] <dalderman> brb fooooood required
[03:28] <dalderman> mmmmmmm macarooon
[03:29] <Se7h> doesn't ubuntu come with tcl ?
[03:30] <beezly> Se7h: asking twice doesn't make you louder ;)
[03:30] <Se7h> i know it doesn't
[03:30] <Chriffer> it probably has it somewhere, there is a lon of junk in universe
[03:30] <dalderman> thaytan, sorry, I am giving bad advice
[03:30] <beezly> apt-cache search tcl
[03:31] <beezly> with universe in I get 216 entries
[03:31] <thom> Se7h: it's in main - tcl8.4
[03:31] <Se7h> tcl8.4-dev - Tcl (the Tool Command Language) v8.4 - development files
[03:31] <Se7h> hm hmm
[03:31] <Se7h> thanks
[03:32] <Se7h> grrrr
[03:32] <Se7h> i'm getting the dependencies stuff again
[03:33] <beezly> what like?
[03:33] <Lowe> tcl was already installed on my ubuntu, maybe im just special.
[03:33] <beezly> Lowe: nah, it was for me too and I don't think I installed it specially
[03:34] <thaytan> dalderman: 'salright, I only learnt myself yesterday :)
[03:34] <Se7h> forget it
[03:34] <Se7h> it is
[03:34] <thaytan> Sirius_Black: no, there's no guarantees of compatibility with sid
[03:34] <thaytan> and Bad Things may happen
[03:34] <Se7h> tcl8.4 is already the newest version.
[03:34] <beezly> yep
[03:34] <beezly> so you already have tcl installed
[03:35] <Se7h> checking whether the Tcl system has changed... yes
[03:35] <Se7h> configure: error:
[03:35] <Se7h>   Tcl cannot be found on this system.
[03:35] <Se7h> yeah but i get that
[03:35] <Se7h> what is the path to it ?
[03:36] <Treenaks> Se7h: which tcl ?
[03:36] <beezly> which tclsh
[03:36] <Lowe> building form source is so gay, i have like 1% of it working correctly
[03:36] <Treenaks> uh yes
[03:36] <beezly> /usr/bin/tclsh8.4
[03:36] <Se7h> checking for Tcl library... found /usr/lib/libtcl8.0.so.1
[03:36] <Se7h> checking for Tcl header... {not found}
[03:36] <dalderman> So, who can tell me why the modules shpchp.ko and pciehp.kp cause errors on boot and remain unloaded?
[03:36] <Treenaks> Se7h: tcl header != tcl library
[03:36] <Se7h> yes
[03:37] <Treenaks> Se7h: you'll probably need  apt-cache search tcl header
[03:37] <beezly> no no
[03:37] <beezly> tcl8.4-dev
[03:37] <Treenaks> which gives me:
[03:37] <Treenaks> tcl8.4-dev - Tcl (the Tool Command Language) v8.4 - development files
[03:37] <beezly> ah I see
[03:37] <beezly> apologies Treenaks
[03:38] <beezly> Se7h: perhaps you need to tell the thing you're compiling where the tcl headers are?
[03:38] <beezly> they're in /usr/include/tcl8.4
[03:39] <Treenaks> beezly: "teach a man to fish" and stuff...
[03:39] <Se7h> well
[03:39] <Se7h> it returned the tcl8.4dev
[03:39] <Se7h> brb
[03:40] <beezly> Treenaks: indeed
[03:40] <beezly> "and he'll cook you a mighty fish supper" :)
[03:40] <Se7h> lol
[03:40] <dalderman> Anyone know what the shpchp.ko and pciehp.ko modules do?
[03:40] <beezly> Se7h: what are you laughing at? We're expecting a mighty fish supper!
[03:41] <Se7h> and i will cook one for you both
[03:41] <Se7h> :)
[03:41] <Se7h> brb
[03:41] <Se7h> lunch
[03:41] <beezly> heh
[03:43] <Sirius_Black> is there any doc about installing nvidia drivers 
[03:43] <jdub> Sirius_Black: BinaryDriverHowto on the wiki
[03:45] <beezly> mm, time for more caffeine
[03:50] <dalderman> If I wish to add ttf fonts to X so I can use them in xemacs, can I simply add the /usr/share/fonts/truetype dir as it has a fonts.cache-1 file, or do I need to add the individual subdirs
[03:51] <dalderman> or do I need to do ttmkfdir type things?
[03:51] <dalderman> it's a while since I did this stuff
[03:51] <Sirius_Black> guys - after i edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, do i need to run something that upadtes grub or takes account of changes
[03:52] <Mithrandir> Sirius_Black: no, grub reads the file system
[03:52] <thaytan> Sirius_Black: you need to run the update-grub script if you did the editing the way I said
[03:52] <thaytan> but that just rebuilds menu.lst to include your change to the kopt line
[03:52] <thaytan> grub doesn't need to reinstall itself like lilo
[03:57] <Se7h> erm i don't get it
[03:57] <Se7h> tcl8.4 is already the newest version.
[03:57] <Se7h> but then..
[03:58] <Se7h> checking for Tcl patch level...
[03:58] <Se7h> configure: error:
[03:58] <Se7h>   Your Tcl version is much too old
[03:58] <ich> hi
[03:58] <ich> just doin a apt-get upgrade, done one or two yesterday and today there are 10new packages?
[03:58] <ik5pvx> more or less
[03:59] <ich> much libs
[03:59] <WW> ich: I'm installing 41 packages, new since some time yesterday.  Looks like X was upgraded.
[03:59] <ich> yes it was maybe 4.4?
[04:00] <Se7h> 12 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[04:00] <tseng> ich: no way
[04:00] <Se7h> 12 here
[04:00] <WW> No, 4.3.
[04:00] <ich> so, is firestarter a good firewall?
[04:01] <Treenaks> ich: "firestarter" is not a firewall, but only a tool that creates iptables rules. iptables rules tend to be "a firewall"
[04:01] <Lowe> Firestarter pwns
[04:01] <pisuke> ich, try shorewall
[04:01] <ich> ok, gonna try it
[04:01] <Lowe> No firestarter is nice and easy to use
[04:01] <lifeless> we couldn't find a really good robust firewall tool, which is why we don't have a specific one in warty...
[04:01] <ich> but firestarter is easy, so i like it, and its german
[04:02] <lifeless> firewalling gets complex /fast/.
[04:02] <lifeless> Just explaning why there are so many, and why you are having to choose one yourself :)
[04:02] <ich> ok @lifeless: but if i start firestarter it wants an password, can i remove this message to startt it as normal user?
[04:02] <Lowe> ich remember to start it like gksudo /usr/sbin/firestarter
[04:03] <ich> i wanted to write an sciprt for inet, like pon dsl-provider and then start firestarter?
[04:04] <dalderman> no msttcorefonts in Ubuntu?
[04:05] <ich> would an scipt like this ok?
[04:05] <ich> hmm?
[04:06] <Se7h> oh btw
[04:06] <Se7h> where the hell is gnome-audio ?
[04:07] <Lowe> there is a lot of gnome stuff missing in ubuntu that's supposed to be there
[04:07] <Se7h> i can see that
[04:07] <ich> ok, please tell me :)
[04:07] <Lowe> Like file types prefrences
[04:07] <Lowe> ich maybe no one knows
[04:07] <Se7h> a...
[04:07] <ich> oh
[04:07] <ich> ok
[04:07] <Anna> Hi it's me again
[04:07] <ich> so gonna try it
[04:07] <ich> hi ana
[04:07] <Se7h> Lowe isn't that there?

[04:07] <ich> anna
[04:08] <Lowe> no se7h
[04:08] <Se7h> hi Anna
[04:08] <ich> so ciao
[04:08] <Se7h> no?
[04:08] <Se7h> i mean
[04:08] <beezly> hey Anna
[04:08] <Se7h> what u mean bu file types preferences?
[04:09] <Anna> I have one of these newbies questions and I feel less intelligent already...
[04:09] <Lowe> hold on a min
[04:09] <Se7h> lol
[04:09] <Se7h> k
[04:10] <WW> After updating this morning, I see a new package is available called ubuntu-base.  Does anyone know what this is?
[04:10] <Anna> When I install a program with the SPM, and it is not listed in the GUI Panel, in which folder do I have to look?
[04:10] <beezly> SPM? is that Synaptic?
[04:10] <Anna> yes
[04:11] <beezly> ah
[04:11] <Anna> the ubuntu apt-get
[04:11] <beezly> eyp
[04:11] <beezly> Anna: you tried the "Find" button at the top?
[04:11] <Anna> Yes, but it wants the folder first....
[04:12] <Lowe> ok se7h
[04:12] <Lowe> File types and programs is supposed to be in Apps > desktop prefrences > advanced > file types and programs. But there is no advanced tab.
[04:12] <Lowe> File types 
[04:12] <Lowe> You can specify how files of various types are displayed and edited. For example, you can specify an icon to reperesent a particular type of file. For another example, you can specify that if a file is a plain text file, the file is launched in a text editor.
[04:12] <beezly> Ah, do you mean where it says "Look in"?
[04:13] <Anna> yes
[04:13] <beezly> Just choose "Name"
[04:13] <Anna> ok, brb
[04:14] <beezly> you can still use apt-get too, you just have to put "sudo apt-get install blah foo whatever"
[04:14] <Se7h> Lowe yes, for sure Advanced isn't there
[04:14] <Se7h> but i think u can define that kind stuff
[04:14] <Se7h> w8
[04:14] <Lowe> I was expecting it to be there and was dissapointed since it's in the gnome manual which ubuntu comes with.
[04:16] <Kamion> WW: ubuntu-base is empty at the moment, but it's going to move into the base system and contain random Ubuntu-specific basic scripts
[04:16] <WW> Kamion: OK, thanks.
[04:17] <Kamion> speaking of, I should make the relevant debootstrap change now
[04:17] <Se7h> erm Lowe just a few days ago i was in the GUI window that lets u specify what program to use with each file type
[04:17] <Se7h> the icon
[04:17] <Anna> Ok, that was a misunderstanding. I'm not looking for applications *in* the SPM, I'm want to know the folder where applications are stored on my hard drive *after* I have installed them.
[04:18] <Se7h> can't remember
[04:18] <beezly> Anna: ah
[04:18] <Lowe> That's a less advanced version se7h
[04:19] <beezly> right click the package you are interested in
[04:19] <Anna> See, I have installed "imagemagick" and now I can't run it because I can't find it.
[04:19] <beezly> go down to properties
[04:19] <Nonphasis> anyone got xmms working?
[04:19] <Lowe> loads of people have, but i don't use xmms anyway. BMP all the way.
[04:20] <Nonphasis> bmp?
[04:20] <Treenaks> beep
[04:20] <Lowe> beep-media-player
[04:20] <beezly> Anna: then across to "Installed Files"
[04:20] <Nonphasis> aha, gotta check it out
[04:20] <Nonphasis> xmms crashed on me immediately
[04:20] <beezly> Anna: ImageMagick is a whole lot of programs none of which are called "ImageMagick" :)
[04:21] <WW> Anna: I think imagemagick provides a suite of command line program.  I've used `convert` quite a bit.  I don't think there is a main GUI app.
[04:22] <Anna> Yes, I've found the locations now under propterties - installed files.
[04:22] <mwh_> I like xmms because it support mod files, I like BMP, but it does not support mod files :(
[04:22] <Anna> The description read that it can also be run under GUI..
[04:23] <beezly> Anna: hmm, I don't know how to do that with imagemagick
[04:23] <beezly> Anna: are you wanting to manipulate images?
[04:23] <Lowe> BMP supports whatever xmms plays, since it can use xmms plugins.
[04:24] <WW> Anna: Ah, I see that is does.  So in this case, you could run `display` from a command line.
[04:24] <WW> s/is/it/
[04:24] <Nonphasis> Lowe, thanks for the tip, looks great show far
[04:24] <Lowe> xmms was really ugly (the menu at least)
[04:24] <Anna> But that still doesn't solve my problem. When I want to run "Abi-word" or Open Office, I click on its symbol and the application pops open. Now how do I open applications that are not listed in the panel? There has got to be a easier way then searching through folders..
[04:25] <pisuke> imho in the computer menu should be a Open Location (ctrl+l)
[04:26] <WW> Anna: Yeah, I agree.
[04:26] <beezly> Anna: if you know the name of the program you can create a new "launcher" on the panel
[04:27] <Anna>  How do I create the launcher? 
[04:27] <Lowe> *sigh* I'm going to lie down
[04:27] <beezly> right click on the panel -> Add to Panel, then Applictaion Launcher
[04:28] <beezly> Anna: sorry, that's wrong "Custom Application Launcher"
[04:29] <Anna> I noticed.
[04:29] <Nonphasis> how do i associate a media player in right-click menu for folders... like "enqueue in winamp" on dos?
[04:29] <Nonphasis> it worked on kde...
[04:30] <tvon|x31> If you have rhythmbox installed there should be a right click menu item
[04:30] <tvon|x31> otherwise you can do right-click->properties->open with
[04:30] <Anna> Ah, now I'm back on square one, because it is asking me for the url
[04:31] <Anna> I assume the url means the location of the application...
[04:31] <Lowe> (well duh)
[04:32] <Anna> So this returns me to my initial problem of how do I know where the application is stored on my hdd.
[04:32] <Anna> since in the SPM, there are many different locations under preferences...
[04:33] <Treenaks> "the SPM" ?
[04:33] <Anna> synaptic package manager
[04:33] <WW> Anna: I am looking at the Create Launcher window; where does it ask for a URL?
[04:33] <Treenaks> ah
[04:34] <Anna> Once I click "ok" it gives me the error message.
[04:34] <Anna> Cannot create launcher
[04:34] <Anna> Details: You have to specify a valid URL or comma
[04:35] <WW> Anna: I see.  Enter `display` in the command field (without the quotes).
[04:35] <mwh_> Lowe: I cannot get BMP to play mods, what should I do to get it to do that?
[04:36] <mwh_> Lowe: when I compile xmms it gets support for libmikmod, but when I compile BMP it doesnot
[04:36] <Anna> Oh wow, it worked!
[04:36] <mwh_> Lowe: so its not intirely correct what you are saying
[04:37] <Anna> And I didn't have to specify the url
[04:38] <Anna> Thanks for your patience and advice WW
[04:38] <WW> Anna: It was asking for a "valid URL or command", and `display` is the command.
[04:38] <WW> WW: No problem.
[04:38] <WW> Anna: Doh!  Now I'm talking to myself.
[04:39] <Anna> Huh?
[04:39] <Lowe> Well it plays what i need and that's all that matters.
[04:39] <WW> Anna: (I typed WW: instead of Anna: a couple lines back.)
[04:39] <Anna> oh ok, lol
[04:40] <Anna> not that I noticed....
[04:40] <Anna> So the launcher would automatically associate the location just by entering the applications name?
[04:41] <Anna> (and typing 'display')
[04:41] <tvon|x31> why would you make a launcher for the 'display' command, btw?
[04:41] <Treenaks> Anna: I'd assume that it would look in a few standard locations (the path)
[04:42] <Anna> I see @ Treenaks
[04:42] <WW> Anna: Not sure I understand your question.
[04:43] <tseng> jdub: hmm the wiki page for universe candidates says its immutable
[04:43] <Sirius_Black> is there an mplayer binary or is it better to compile it from source?
[04:43] <Anna> Tvon, the task wasn't to create a launcher for 'display' it was to find an application (and add it to the GUI/panel) and apparently the command display was needed to assist the launcher in finding the applications.
[04:43] <WW> WW: `display` is an executable command; the launcher runs this command when you click on it.
[04:43] <tvon|x31> oh, gotcha :)
[04:44] <jdub> tseng: you need to log in (click UserPreferences)
[04:44] <tvon|x31> jdub: is Limi involved with this project?
[04:45] <jdub> tvon|x31: yeah
[04:45] <WW> Anna: Actually, YOU found the application, and told the launcher what to do.
[04:45] <beezly> gah, had to go talk to the boss
[04:45] <beezly> i complain but I get to change my hours two days per week :)
[04:46] <beezly> 12-8
[04:46] <tvon|x31> jdub: spiffy, just curious as I heard a rumor :)
[04:46] <WW> Anna: If you install some other package, and you want it to have an icon on the panel, you'll again have to figure out (or know in advance) the name of the executable file, and enter in the "Command" field.
[04:46] <Anna> Well I 'found' the application in the sense that I installed it from the SPM, but I didn't specify it's location to the launcher it that's what you mean.
[04:47] <Anna> I understand WW
[04:47] <WW> Anna: On the other hand, a few packages that I have installed automatically showed up in the Applications menu.
[04:48] <Anna> Yes, I discovered that too with Abi Word
[04:48] <Anna> It was just there in the panel at its appropriate location under "office"
[04:51] <Anna> But it's dawning on my that perhaps ubuntu (or Gnome) is as of yet outside my ability to effectively operate. There are just too many gaps of knowledge which are impossible to bridge without the information needed. 
[04:51] <tvon|x31> Anna: out of curiosity, what app are you trying to add a launcher for?
[04:52] <beezly> Anna: try and bear with it for a week, you'll pick up stuff *really* fast
[04:52] <Anna> I feel like I'm sitting on an Island, planning to pull other islands towards me with a rope to make a continent, but I don't know which direction I have to throw the rope at to "catch one"
[04:52] <Anna> imagemagick, the one I mentioned earlier
[04:53] <tvon|x31> ah
[04:53] <tvon|x31> Which imagemagick command?
[04:53] <Anna> I just entered "imagemagick" and "display" into the launcher.
[04:54] <tvon|x31> For which fields?
[04:54] <beezly> Anna: are you specifically wanting to use ImageMagick or just do image manipulation? if it's the latter, you'd be better off install gimp
[04:54] <tvon|x31> eg, when you right click on the panel -> add to panel -> custom application launcher..  You added "imagemagick" for "name" and "display" for "command" ?
[04:55] <Anna> I have gimp already, actually I don't need imagemagick, this was just an exercise and I chose an application from which I assumed that it wouldn't burn a hole into my system trying to run it
[04:55] <Anna>  sorry tvon, yes
[04:55] <tvon|x31> Anna: and that doesnt work? that should be enough
[04:55] <tvon|x31> though I've never tried running 'display' without any arguments, does it open a GUI window without arguments?
[04:55] <Anna> yes
[04:56] <tvon|x31> ah, k
[04:56] <Anna> (the problem was I didn't know the "display" command.
[04:56] <tvon|x31> ahhh
[04:56] <Anna> and I also didn't know about the launcher;-)
[04:56] <tvon|x31> Now you do :)
[04:56] <tvon|x31> Isn't learning fun!
[04:56] <tvon|x31> heh
[04:56] <Anna> Yes and it's a nice feeling
[04:57] <Anna> And I think it's wonderful that there are always people around who I can bug.
[04:57] <tvon|x31> 99% of the time you will not need to add a 'custom application launcher' though
[04:58] <Anna> You mean the icon would appear automatically after installing the app?
[04:58] <tvon|x31> I'm mighty geeky and I dont have any custom app launchers... but then I also have a high interest in GNOME usability so I tend to do things the "GNOME way" over 'the old way I used to do it'
[04:59] <beezly> I'm lazy and do it the old way half the time ;)
[04:59] <tvon|x31> Anna: For most uses, there is an application that fits in with GNOME and will install itself into the applications menu.
[05:00] <Anna> Well I used to be a GUI whore until I decided to drop windows recently for varied reasons, so I'm coming from the other end
[05:00] <Anna> But it's all very exciting
[05:00] <tvon|x31> You should be okay then.  Its mostly a matter of figuring out what app you should use to accomplish a specific task
[05:01] <Nonphasis> Old way is sometimes the only way because the Gnome way requires you to search for all kinds of obscure stuff from cvs logs and whatnot
[05:01] <queuetue> Hi.  I've inherited a remote debian server, and ... caught between the blind idealism, love for the ancient, and all-around disagreement about what makes a distro 'good', I basically need an alternative.  Something tested and modern, that I can upgrade to completely remotely, that I can use to host a postfix+mysql+courier system...
[05:01] <Anna> I'll just have to learn..., I refuse to be defeated -permanently- 
[05:01] <queuetue> Is ubuntu valid for that?
[05:01] <Nonphasis> Case in point - enabling an xmodmap via keybard layout selector
[05:02] <gluon> has anyone else besides me having trouble with Totem? When I launch Totem, an error dialog pops up with text: "Resource busy or not available."
[05:03] <Nonphasis> apparently there mere some files in /ush/share/gkb, but they weren't documented anywhere
[05:03] <Anna> Not to hurt the present Ubuntu developer's feelings, but what Distro is best for bleeding noobs?
[05:03] <Nonphasis> Anna, Ubuntu :)
[05:03] <Anna> lol
[05:03] <_Hiro_> totem has always problems
[05:03] <Anna> Your teasing me after having seen my ordeal
[05:03] <tvon|x31> Anna: Ubuntu is pretty good.  I used to reccomend Mandrake or Fedora.
[05:04] <Nonphasis> Apart from Ubuntu, I would have recommended Fedora
[05:04] <tvon|x31> for being a gnome freak as I am, I'd go with Fedora over Mandrake
[05:04] <gluon> _Hiro_, not always. I had zero problems with Totem when using gentoo.
[05:04] <Nonphasis> Anna, ubuntu will get easier once it gets a proper kde
[05:04] <_Hiro_> I come from gentoo
[05:04] <_Hiro_> totem never worked decently :/
[05:04] <jdub> Nonphasis: pfft.
[05:04] <_Hiro_> same for rhythmbox
[05:05] <_Hiro_> and I have redhat and fedora boxes here as well
[05:05] <tvon|x31> Nonphasis: bite your toungue
[05:05] <tvon|x31> heh
[05:05] <_Hiro_> it's just not 'stable' in its working :|
[05:05] <_Hiro_> vlc that works always :)
[05:05] <srbaker> _Hiro_, totem works perfectly here.
[05:05] <Nonphasis> Gnome just proves harder for many tasks...
[05:05] <Anna> Ok, these are standard Distros then. My fist experience was with Knoppix Live CD. That was my first nose of Linux and it hooked me immediately. 
[05:05] <_Hiro_> oh it works here as well now
[05:06] <Nonphasis> like, how can I add a media player to right click menu for folders?
[05:06] <_Hiro_> xine back-end, which in turn makes me wonder again why to use totem at all
[05:06] <Nonphasis> in kde I just added it, in gnome I added it but it's not visible
[05:06] <_Hiro_> and rhythmbox just decides to kill its database once in a while ;)
[05:06] <Nonphasis> does the old "scripts" mechanism still work?
[05:07] <_Hiro_> but that's sort of standard practice with the thing :)
[05:07] <Nonphasis> rhythmbox crasher on reading my audio folder
[05:07] <Nonphasis> beep media player seems to be just the ticket
[05:07] <Anna> So my lesson for today is finished. Tomorrow I want to install firestarter (which is not in the SPM), meaning I will definitely be back:-) Meanwhile I say thanks a lot and see you guys later.
[05:08] <srbaker> where's the best location for information on wireless?
[05:08] <tvon|x31> Anna: no problem
[05:08] <srbaker> on the interweb
[05:08] <tvon|x31> srbaker: what kind of informations?
[05:09] <cardador> hello. there exist mirrors of the repositories?
[05:09] <srbaker> tvon|x31, configuration info, mostly.
[05:09] <queuetue> No reactions to ubuntu's value as a mail server?
[05:09] <tvon|x31> cardador: yes, they are listed in the wiki
[05:09] <tvon|x31> ...somewhere...
[05:09] <tvon|x31> queuetue: Ubuntu is more desktop oriented
[05:09] <cardador> ok ill try to find them
[05:09] <srbaker> i have a prism2 card.  hoping ubuntu will just pick it up
[05:09] <tvon|x31> cardador: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Archive
[05:10] <queuetue> tvon|x31: Is there a modern flavor of debian intended for server use?
[05:10] <Nonphasis> hah, the faq has an entry for "one click mouse"
[05:10] <Nonphasis> ( = one button)
[05:10] <cardador> tvon|x31: tks
[05:10] <housetier> queuetue, well it seems sarge will be released Very Soon Now (tm) :)
[05:11] <Nonphasis> queuetue, soon there will be, called "sarge"
[05:11] <tvon|x31> queuetue: you could try UserLinux, but at this point its basically a set of debian packages and not really customized beyond that
[05:11] <tseng> jdub: submitted :)
[05:11] <jdub> tseng: rocking :)
[05:11] <tseng> hmm my tinyurl broke
[05:11] <queuetue> Isn't sarge pretty old, itself?  I'm new to debian and #debian is not a good place to ask questions. :)
[05:11] <jdub> HOORAY FOR TSENG!
[05:11] <Nonphasis> queuetue, sarge is very recent
[05:12] <tvon|x31> queuetue: sarge is fairly current
[05:12] <tseng> er, no it didnt :)
[05:12] <Nonphasis> queuetue, for a server, sarge is a good choice
[05:13] <Nonphasis> queuetue, for a "non-enterprise" server that is... I think there is no support and whatyouhave
[05:13] <housetier> queuetue, woody is old :) sarge is NEW and SHINY :D
[05:13] <tvon|x31> its pretty shiny, yes
[05:13] <rapha> Hi all!
[05:14] <rapha> I checked my Ubuntu installation, and there's no libxine1 there, so I wanted to ask again where the version for Ubuntu can be downloaded?
[05:15] <ninj1> how come I can't build GNOME stuff? what package do I need to install to get the gtk/glib pkgconfig files?
[05:15] <mxpxpod> ninj1: libgtk-2.0-dev
[05:15] <tvon|x31> rapha: do you have universe and restricted in your sources.list?
[05:15] <mxpxpod> whoops
[05:15] <mxpxpod> ninj1: libgtk2.0-dev
[05:15] <rapha> tvon|x31: My computer doesn't have internet access...
[05:16] <tseng> ninj1: youll likely need alot of -dev libs, and build-essential
[05:16] <rapha> So I need to get everything manually from here and burn it to a CD.
[05:16] <tseng> ninj1: keep adding them until configure passes
[05:16] <tvon|x31> rapha: ah
[05:16] <rapha> :-/
[05:16] <tvon|x31> ninj1: what are you trying to build?
[05:16] <rapha> So do Universe and Restricted have ftp/http servers as well?
[05:17] <tvon|x31> ninj1: you can run "apt-get build-dep <package>" to pull down everything you need to build <package>
[05:17] <Kamion> rapha: same as the regular one
[05:17] <ninj1> mxpxpod: i tried that the other day, but I don't think I've got my /etc/apt/source.list quite right, as it was failing dependencies
[05:17] <Nonphasis> rapha, debian-based distros are not optimal for offline use until they are released
[05:17] <rapha> Kamion: Which I can't seem to find on the website...
[05:17] <ninj1> tvon|x31: that's not a bad idea - I'll try that if this fails
[05:17] <rapha> Nonphasis: Well, I just need libxine1 and maybe Anjuta and I'll be happy.
[05:17] <tvon|x31> apt-get build-dep is golden
[05:18] <rapha> Nonphasis: And believe me, I'd rather have internet access ;)
[05:18] <mxpxpod> to build mono-mcs, would I just apt-get build-dep mono-mcs and then apt-get source -b mono-mcs?
[05:18] <mxpxpod> or can I use pbuilder?
[05:18] <Kamion> rapha: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[05:18] <dalderman> so Rythmbox works now too :-)
[05:18] <rapha> Thanks Kamion 
[05:18] <dalderman> gstreamer-properties did the magic
[05:19] <housetier> congrats dalderman :)
[05:19] <ninj1> can anyone  point me to a stock Ubuntu /etc/apt/sources.list I can refer to?
[05:19] <dalderman> housetier, ta
[05:19] <dalderman> housetier, ross of soundjuicer fame pointed it out to me
[05:19] <dalderman> housetier, now to find out why my xemacs menu has got such a huge font
[05:20] <housetier> dalderman, what did you do with gstreamer-properties, which properties did you set to what value?
[05:20] <housetier> the info might be useful for others too
[05:20] <dalderman> housetier, Default Sink Output to ESD and Input to ESD
[05:21] <housetier> ah good to know :)
[05:21] <dalderman> ninj1, Firefox?
[05:21] <housetier> dalderman, however I cannot help you with (x)emacs
[05:21] <dalderman> housetier, that's ok, it's a grdb/xrdb type problem
[05:21] <ninj1> dalderman: it's nice, but it still just doesn't quite feel right
[05:21] <dalderman> I think it's xemacs being borked
[05:22] <dalderman> ninj1, here is my sources.list if it helps
[05:22] <dalderman> #deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Unofficial i386 Binary-1 (20040915)] / unstable main restricted
[05:22] <dalderman> ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch updated software from the network
[05:22] <dalderman> #deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[05:22] <dalderman> #deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[05:22] <dalderman> ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch updated software from the network
[05:22] <dalderman> ## and be able to use more than 12000 unsupported packages from the universe archive.
[05:22] <dalderman> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe
[05:22] <dalderman> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe
[05:22] <dalderman> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[05:22] <dalderman> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[05:22] <dalderman> #deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free
[05:22] <dalderman> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[05:22] <rapha> pool/main is the stuff I'll also find on the CD, right?
[05:23] <ninj1> dalderman: thanks (although I didn't need all the commented lines!)
[05:23] <dalderman> ninj1, sorry, was a grab and click
[05:24] <_Hiro_> openoffice places some kind of line at the bottom of a document, anyone know how to get rid of it?
[05:25] <dalderman> _Hiro_, seen it B4 but can't remember what I did, soz
[05:26] <_Hiro_> it started when I typed ----------------------    :/
[05:27] <Lowe> _Hiro_ you have to buy openoffice some coke
[05:27] <rapha> Kamion: The German mirror, should it be complete?
[05:27] <sabdfl> rapha: yes, if it isn't please holler
[05:28] <Kamion> rapha: looks ok at a superficial glance
[05:28] <rapha> sabdfl: I'm just still looking for libxine1, and at least it's not in universe/libx.
[05:28] <Qerub> rapha: you ought to be looking for the source package name
[05:28] <rapha> sabdfl: And also not in main/libx
[05:28] <ninj1> mxpxpod: problem is 'apt-get install xlibs-dev' returns a whole load of 'Depends:  libxyz-dev' but  it is not going  to be  installed'
[05:29] <ninj1> none of xlibs-dev's dependencies can  be fulfilled :(
[05:29] <Se7h> whats the command to shutdown a pid ?
[05:30] <rapha> sabdfl: Kamion: Qerub: Okay, found it. Thanks! :)
[05:30] <fabbione> ninj1: ??
[05:30] <fabbione> ninj1: which version of X? are you updating from the network?
[05:30] <mxpxpod> ninj1: talk to tseng
[05:30] <Lowe> ooh we just got a new carpet, damn it's so thick.
[05:31] <tseng> ninj1: do you have universal?
[05:31] <tseng> er, universe
[05:31] <ninj1> ii  xserver-xfree8 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 the XFree86 X server
[05:32] <ninj1> tseng: yep
[05:33] <tseng> ninj1: well then im not sure what your problem is
[05:33] <tseng> apt-get update again
[05:33] <fabbione> i guess you will need to dist-upgrade first
[05:34] <tseng> dist-upgrade? is he doing something weird?
[05:34] <tseng> like changing dists halfway
[05:34] <ninj1> tseng: i've done apt-get clean, apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade - still no joy
[05:34] <tseng> worksforme.
[05:35] <ninj1> tbh, i had to bootstrap the machine with a debian sarge CD, then upgrade the core stuff and install apps etc from a Ubuntu CD to get this far :)
[05:36] <ninj1> Ubuntu installer doesn't work on my lappy :(
[05:36] <elim> whats wrong?
[05:37] <ninj1> elim: with what?
[05:37] <elim> he said it didnt work 
[05:37] <ninj1> who said what didn't work?
[05:37] <elim> i asked what was stoping it
[05:38] <rapha> Curious.
[05:38] <rapha> Why does get -R main/lib*/*/*dev*i386.deb universe/lib*/*/*dev*i386.de also get "liba/libao/libao-dev_0.8.5-1_amd64.deb" and powerpc files?
[05:38] <ninj1> elim: the Ubuntu installer? I don't know - it was hanging at random points after booting
[05:39] <rapha> Has Ubuntu gcc and co. installed by default?
[05:39] <sladen> ninj1: are you able to md5sum check the CD you're booting off?
[05:39] <elim> hmm thats strange. maybe a kernel problem or a program causing problems
[05:39] <ninj1> sladen: yep - the CD was pucker - and I cut a second copy (also checked it)
[05:40] <ninj1> yep - I suspect the kernel, as it still wont boot from the standard Ubuntu kernel, so I had to build one from (kernel.org) source
[05:41] <sladen> I think there's a real case for having d-i check the parts of the CD itself.  There's an unbelievable number of dud burns happening;  and the installer is coping with most of them (eg, just coming up with lots of missing packages then requesting to fetch ~50MB over the net to make up
[05:42] <rapha> Another stupid question, how do you install a .deb manually?
[05:42] <Kamion> sladen: um, d-i does
[05:42] <nk> anyone knows where ubuntu stores the .deb files?  i have to modify the code a bit and after that I wanna install the package. is there a way? the more I added some sarge-mirrors, might that affect my installation in some bad way?
[05:42] <Kamion> sladen: the issue is probably not dud burns there, it's that the archive has newer versions of packages than the CD
[05:43] <dalderman> nk, /var/cache/apt/archives/
[05:43] <Kamion> we could default cdrom-checker/start to true, but it's probably pretty slow ...
[05:43] <sladen> rapha: dpkg -i foo.deb
[05:44] <rapha> Thabks sladen 
[05:44] <Kamion> shame that we can't do the integrity check only on burnt CDs, not pressed ones
[05:44] <sladen> Kamion: both probably contribute to the problem
[05:45] <elim> i cant compile fluxbox on my mac :(
[05:45] <rapha> I'm asking because I'm on RedHat right now; does Ubuntu have gcc and the other development tools installed by default?
[05:45] <sladen> Kamion: yes we can.  Just munge Canonical's offical ISO's with an extra flag
[05:46] <jdub> rapha: no, but they're on the CD
[05:46] <sivang> rapha : even if not, you could just as easily install them using apt-get
[05:46] <elim> yes it does i just cant install fluxbox by compilation :(
[05:46] <Kamion> sladen: disapprove heavily of that kind of thing
[05:46] <Kamion> sladen: also, we'll be publishing the official ISOs; what's to stop people burning them, or indeed from copying pressed CDs?
[05:46] <sladen> Kamion: ``I see you're using a self-burnt CD.  Would you like me to checksum it first?''
[05:47] <ninj1> aha - debian sarge has a higher package release number for it's zlib1g package, so Ubuntu's version wasn't deemed newer, so was holding up the install of all the other dependencies
[05:47] <sladen> Kamion: can bit-twiddle sometime off the end of the CD
[05:47] <ninj1> it's  happily installing libgtk-2.0-dev (and deps) as we speak
[05:47] <Kamion> sladen: I disapprove of doing something I can't even test myself!
[05:47] <sladen> Kamion: can bit-twiddle something off the end of the CD;  is somebody copies it, it'll disappear
[05:48] <rapha> sivang: Well, no. I've no internet access at home.
[05:48] <Kamion> sladen: I will not do that, sorry
[05:48] <rapha> Thanks jdub!
[05:48] <rapha> jdub: Btw, nice seeing you here doing this Ubuntu stuff!
[05:48] <Kamion> if somebody else wants to, they'll need to have CD-pressing equipment to test it with
[05:48] <sivang> rapha : lemme check this for you a sec
[05:48] <sladen> Kamion: if I wrote the code, would you consider using it?  :-)
[05:48] <zombics> what i need to apt-get install to get the kernel source(2.6.8)?
[05:48] <rapha> I think it's a great idea and also greatly executed so far.
[05:48] <Kamion> sladen: probably not, I really dislike that sort of hack
[05:48] <rapha> (Plus, many others seem to think that as well)
[05:48] <Kamion> sladen: it's one step away from copy protection
[05:49] <Kamion> zombics: linux-source-2.6.8.1
[05:49] <sladen> Kamion: s/copy/"verification"/  ;-)
[05:49] <Kamion> sladen: not worth the cost
[05:49] <zombics> Kamion, THX !
[05:49] <Kamion> sladen: if we could test in software whether the CD had been burnt, that would be marginally less gross; AFAIK you can't
[05:50] <Kamion> sladen: and I mean something that doesn't depend on properties of the ISO
[05:50] <ggi> Does anyone use gvim here? (the vim-gnome package in universal)
[05:50] <ggi> s/universal/universe
[05:50] <srbaker> can i install ubuntu over wifi?
[05:51] <jdub> rapha: :-)
[05:51] <jdub> rapha: hope you enjoy it
[05:51] <jdub> hey, has everyone seen gnome-look.org today?
[05:51] <tvon|fixingcrap> srbaker: sure
[05:51] <tvon|fixingcrap> srbaker: well...nm, ignore me
[05:51] <jdub> ubuntu goodies on the front page :)
[05:51] <tvon|fixingcrap> jdub: ah, spiffy
[05:51] <rapha> jdub: Installed it yesterday, but already am. But tell us the truth, you only want Mark to get you a trip into space, right?
[05:52] <Kamion> srbaker: works for me ...
[05:52] <sivang> jdub : on wiki?
[05:52] <jdub> rapha: you do know we're all here on ISS, don't you?
[05:52] <tvon|fixingcrap> jdub: haha
[05:53] <jdub> Kamion: stop doing floaters!
[05:53] <sladen> Kamion: it maybe possible to do something non-hackish, if they burnt to a CD-RW
[05:54] <tvon|fixingcrap> jdub: hey, whats up with the default theme not being indubstrial?
[05:54] <rapha> jdub: Oh. But naaah, I'm gonna make my own distro and it's gonna be based on Mars!
[05:55] <loz> hey.  The FAQ, hints etc. on the site seem a little sparton, how can I help this?
[05:55] <y_sutedja> hello people
[05:55] <schweeb> loz: could put stuff on the wiki
[05:56] <loz> how does one get wiki access?  Sign up somewhere?
[05:56] <rapha> You know what'd be cool for Ubuntu? There's this "Start Linux from Windows" kind of thing, right? So one could make a little Win32 autostart program that opens when you pop in the Ubuntu CD under Windows, and lets you install it right from there.
[05:56] <jdub> tvon|X31: it is indubstrial :)
[05:56] <jdub> tvon|X31: (based on)
[05:56] <tvon|X31> jdub: oh? ahhh
[05:56] <mojo> hi
[05:56] <Kamion> rapha: stay tuned ;)
[05:56] <mojo> goodmorning every1
[05:57] <y_sutedja> mornin mojo
[05:57] <mojo> can someone show me how to add more languages in GNOME? I default choose Eng, now I want to test the Jap lang
[05:58] <rapha> Kamion: Aaah! :)
[05:58] <sivang> rapha : apparently it's not on the installer cd
[05:58] <ninj1> mojo: see locale-gen
[05:58] <sivang> rapha : actually, i think it's one of the design goals there were foreset in warty as a user oriented system first ;)
[05:59] <rapha> Well, you guys are obviously not smarter (hahah!) but definately faster than me...
[05:59] <mojo> thx
[05:59] <sivang> rapha : design goals = policy decision
[06:00] <Kamion> loz: just create an account, AFAIK
[06:00] <sivang> rapha : http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fSupportedSeed
[06:01] <srbaker> oh, suck
[06:01] <srbaker> apparently this card only has 104-bit encryption
[06:02] <y_sutedja> 104-bit read error..?
[06:02] <y_sutedja> srbaker: what kinda card?
[06:02] <srbaker> D-Link DWL-650
[06:04] <Lowe> I just got another gmail account(UbuntuLinux@gmail.com) so when ubuntu becomes famous i can sell it MWAHAHA *cough*
[06:04] <mojo> ninjl: I can't find any local-gen in Synaptic
[06:04] <rapha> sivang: Aaah! Thanks! Well, no worries then :)
[06:04] <mojo> ninjl: locale-gen I mean
[06:05] <stub> So can anyone tell me where I can stick my WEP key so that the Gnome network-admin tool won't nuke it? I've currently got it in /etc/network/interfaces, but that file is rewritten by that tool.
[06:05] <ninj1> mojo:  package is locales
[06:05] <mojo> ninjl: k
[06:06] <mojo> ninjl: yes I got that installed already but there is no option for lang in GDM
[06:06] <eazel7> hi ubuntu people
[06:06] <eazel7> how are you?
[06:06] <rapha> Why are you named after a dead company, eazel7?
[06:07] <eazel7> rapha, it's not because of the company
[06:07] <eazel7> it's something related with my name and the Neon Genesis Evangelion anime serie
[06:08] <mojo> ninjl: u have any idea
[06:08] <ninj1> mojo: you should configure /etc/locale.gen to list the languages you want
[06:08] <Sander__> Is KDE in universe?
[06:08] <jdub> Sander__: most of it
[06:08] <ninj1> on my system I have 'en_GB.UTF8'  on one line and 'th_TH.UTF8' on  another
[06:08] <rapha> eazel7: Ah, I see. Well, I'm more into Vietnamese than Japanese, so no Anime for me :)
[06:09] <ninj1> I run 'locale-gen'  and  it does stuff  to make stuff work :)
[06:09] <rapha> ninj1: Good stuff, that.
[06:09] <Sander__> thanks jdub is it usable, or will there be some sort of announcement?
[06:09] <eazel7> how can I add the a ubuntu mirror to sources.list?
[06:10] <eazel7> rapha, ok, how is life there?
[06:10] <tvon|X31> eazel7: check the mirrors list on the wiki
[06:10] <rapha> eazel7: If I right remember, Synaptic provides a means for that
[06:10] <tvon|X31> hrm...actually I dont think it provides the sources.list lines
[06:10] <tvon|X31> it probably should
[06:10] <mojo> ninjl: thx
[06:10] <rapha> eazel7: Well, good I hope :) - I'm in Germany, but I'll go there next year.
[06:10] <tvon|X31> Is there a mirrorselect setup for ubuntu?
[06:10] <zombics> what i need to apt-get install to update my kernel?
[06:10] <rapha> And in Germany it'a as dull as ever.
[06:10] <eazel7> rapha, ok
[06:10] <tvon|X31> linux-image
[06:11] <tvon|X31> zombics: ^^
[06:11] <mojo> ninjl: ah...I just want to add in Jap, Viet, Korean, so what do I have to edit locale.gen to?
[06:12] <tvon|X31> "dpkg-reconfigure locale" maybe?
[06:12] <mojo> what reconfig for?
[06:12] <jdub> Sander__: it's usable
[06:12] <jdub> Sander__: there won't necessarily be an announcement, because we do not support KDE
[06:12] <mojo> thx
[06:12] <mojo> thx tvon
[06:13] <rapha> Okay, that should be everything I need :-)
[06:14] <Sander__> jdub, bummer. So are these just rebuilt packages from sid, and if they work great, if not don't call us?
[06:14] <zombics> hmmm i got the new kernel + kernel source and i just cant install the NVIDIA drivers.(the error is that i dont have the kernel sources)
[06:14] <tvon|X31> zombics: get the headers too
[06:15] <tvon|X31> zombics: linux-headers
[06:16] <jdub> Sander__: at the moment, yes.
[06:16] <zombics> tvon|X31, thx ! ! !:)
[06:16] <thom> zombics: use linux-restricted-modules
[06:16] <jdub> Sander__: though you can help fix stuff :)
[06:17] <thom> zombics: (apt-get install nvidia-glx)
[06:17] <zombics> thom, cant. i have A64
[06:18] <eazel7> how can I add the ubuntu apt-source
[06:19] <whiprush> anyone using gmane newsgroups with evo2? It used to be a problem and it's reared its head again.
[06:23] <tvon|X31> eazel7: deb     http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe
[06:23] <tvon|X31> is the whole shebang
[06:23] <tvon|X31> ideally you would remove restricted and universe
[06:25] <eazel7> gracias, thanks
[06:27] <tvon|X31> de nada
[06:28] <eazel7> tvon, where are you from?
[06:28] <tvon|X31> eazel7: Baltimore MD (US)
[06:28] <eazel7> tvon, ok, I'm from Buenos Aires, Argentina
[06:28] <tvon|X31> ah
[06:28] <Sander__> OK jdub, INAD (in /. parlance) but I'll help where I can. I'm on Sarge now, but I'm monitoring the progress.
[06:29] <tvon|X31> I took 3 years of spanish and all I know is 'de nada' and a few obscinities that I can't spell :)
[06:30] <eazel7> hahahaha
[06:30] <mxpxpod> tseng: you have a ubuntu mono repo, right?
[06:30] <eazel7> I did, kinda 19 years of spanish and still I haven't learn the leanguage
[06:30] <tvon|X31> hah
[06:37] <eazel7> well, I'm now updating from sarge to ubunto
[06:37] <eazel7> hope this to work fine
[06:38] <eazel7> (when I read about ubuntu I said: this is what I'm looking for)
[06:39] <whiprush> eazel7: yeah, it's pretty cool
[06:41] <eazel7> I'm trying to build my own distribution, based in debian and gnome 2.8, but with my patches selection
[06:41] <eazel7> for now, I don't need to do this while there be ubuntu
[06:41] <eazel7> but, I'm wondering, does it has a stripe in the applications menu?
[06:48] <loz> where can I get more packages than are listed in synaptic?
[06:49] <zombics> no fdisk on ubuntu? :O
[06:49] <eazel7> zombics, perhaps cfdisk (I don't use ubuntu, but I guess) or fdisk isn't in your PATH variable
[06:50] <schweeb> yes, cfdisk is included
[06:50] <loz> eazel7: what are you doing in #ubuntu then?
[06:50] <eazel7> loz, asking about the apt repository because I hope to be using ubuntu when the download ends
[06:51] <loz> I see..
[06:51] <zombics> sudo: cfdisk: command not found
[06:52] <eazel7> will ubuntu use x.org?
[06:52] <loz> it doesn't yet
[06:52] <phlaegel> next release
[06:52] <zombics> how can i partition my disk?
[06:53] <loz> zombics: open a root shell, there is cfdisk on my ubuntu
[06:53] <zombics> how can open a root shell?
[06:53] <loz> are you in gnome?
[06:54] <zombics> yea
[06:54] <loz> apps->system->root term
[06:54] <loz> then your password (not root)
[06:54] <zombics> no :/
[06:54] <zombics> i dont have it
[06:55] <Treenaks> How does the zeroconf stuff work?
[06:55] <schweeb> open a terminal, sudo -s
[06:55] <loz> how come?
[06:55] <loz> look in synaptic then..  are you running ubuntu now?
[06:55] <zombics> cfdisk
[06:55] <zombics> bash: cfdisk: command not found
[06:55] <zombics> yea
[06:55] <loz> what version?
[06:55] <zombics> the last vertion....
[06:56] <zombics> the A64 version
[06:56] <loz> ah.. I'm on i686, so perhaps they differ.
[06:56] <zombics> bhaaa
[06:59] <mxpxpod> tseng: ping
[06:59] <rapha> Bye!
[07:08] <mxpxpod> has anyone here used pbuilder with ubuntu?
[07:10] <mxpxpod> lamont: oh?
[07:10] <mxpxpod> lamont: how well did it work?
[07:10] <lamont> yeah - I run the warty buildd's...
[07:10] <lamont> works well, thanks..
[07:10] <mxpxpod> lamont: I'd like to build mono packages for ppc
[07:11] <lamont> people.no-name-yet.com/~lamont/warty.buildd is the debootstrap script
[07:12] <lamont> mxpxpod: toss that in /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/ and you can debootstrap a warty buildd chroot
[07:12] <lamont> which I expect you could tar up and use with pbuilder.
[07:12] <mxpxpod> lamont: oh really...
[07:12] <lamont> it's kinda pretty close to sid/sarge/whatever
[07:12] <lamont> I forget what I had to change.
[07:13] <mxpxpod> jdub: ping
[07:14] <jdub> pong
[07:14] <mxpxpod> jdub: how did you build those gnome-bluetooth packages?
[07:15] <joem> hrm, why isn't there a menu for development apps (anjuta, devhelp etc..)?
[07:16] <mxpxpod> joem: ? it's under programming
[07:16] <jdub> mxpxpod: dpkg-buildpackage...
[07:16] <joem> yea, but the programming menu isn't there
[07:16] <mxpxpod> jdub: nothing more, nothing less?
[07:17] <lamont> mxpxpod: so where does mono-mcs come from?  If we could get that into universe, then the rest of mono should just try to build...
[07:17] <jdub> nup
[07:17] <mxpxpod> lamont: from mcs
[07:17] <mxpxpod> lamont: the other thing is that it's only at 0.96 in universe
[07:18] <lamont> universe/devel/mcs_0.96-1: Dep-Wait by buildd+terranova [optional:uncompiled] 
[07:18] <lamont>   Dependencies: mono-mcs
[07:18] <lamont> grumble.
[07:18] <mxpxpod> lamont: do you have a buildd webpage somewhere?
[07:18] <lamont> is 0.96 worth me trying to bootstrap it in for warty?
[07:18] <mxpxpod> lamont: you should try getting 1.0.1 in :)
[07:19] <lamont> mxpxpod: convince jdub/mdc to take it, and I'll bootstrap it wherever I can.
[07:19] <mxpxpod> jdub: ^  :D
[07:19] <jdub> tseng's packages are the ones you want
[07:19] <mxpxpod> jdub: does he have source packages?
[07:19] <jdub> dunno
[07:19] <jdub> check
[07:19] <mxpxpod> where's his repo?
[07:20] <jdub> listed on -devel and in the wiki
[07:20] <lamont> jdub: if source shows up in the warty archive, and someone pokes me, I'll make it happen.
[07:20] <tvon|X31> Anyone using tomboy?
[07:20] <tvon|X31> tomboy is sweetness
[07:20] <mxpxpod> jdub: huh?
[07:21] <tvon|X31> like walter payton
[07:21] <jdub> mxpxpod: it was posted to -devel, and it is noted on the wiki in Universe(somethingorother)
[07:22] <mxpxpod> jdub: ok, thanks
[07:22] <joem> mxpxpod,  http://getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs
[07:23] <mxpxpod> dammit, no source
[07:25] <Se7h> i don't know hurd-i386
[07:25] <Se7h> is it compatible with i386 ?
[07:28] <mxpxpod> jdub: thanks for the help :)
[07:29] <[SemTeX] > hi, does somebody has a pan (newsreader) .deb for ubuntu please?
[07:30] <ish> was there a bunch of updates in the last few hours?
[07:31] <Kamion> lamont: that warty.buildd script seems to be missing amd64 ...
[07:31] <Kamion> lamont: perhaps warty.buildd should go in the debootstrap package?
[07:32] <waslap> this might be a stupid question, but will i need to upgrade ubuntu everytime a new release is released, or will I have the benefit of simply just upgrading packages (gentoo user here)
[07:32] <tvon|X31> Hey, how can I get rid of the timeout for sudo?
[07:32] <tvon|X31> (so it remembers my pass)
[07:32] <Kamion> waslap: you'll be able to upgrade in-place without reinstalling
[07:32] <waslap> great, thanx
[07:32] <tvon|X31> I poked around the config and did not see anything that caught my eye
[07:33] <crimsun> ish: yes
[07:33] <tvon|X31> ah, nevermind, I'm a twit
[07:33] <crimsun> ish: lots of updates to GNOME- and XFree86-related packages
[07:34] <lamont> Kamion: yeah, it should...
[07:34] <lamont> Kamion: you want to file the bug, and I'll deal with amd64 and get the upload ready
[07:36] <lamont> gonna have to pester joshk when he gets home from school
[07:36] <peteog> Im sure sound shouldnt be so confusing... I was using ALSA with Beep and Totem-Xine, but was having issues in that when say beep was playing I didnt get sounds from Gaim, it seemed to be queing them as when I closed beep they would play. I have a kind of work around in that I enabled ESD, set sounds in Gaim to use ESD and beep to use ESD - this works, I can now hear Gaim sounds when mp3's are playing. but now I have no sound 
[07:36] <peteog> in Totem-Xine. Also using ESD doesnt seem to be the correct way of doing this. Any ideas?
[07:37] <crimsun> [SemTeX] : it's in universe
[07:37] <crimsun> [SemTeX] : Candidate: 0.14.2.91-1 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages
[07:37] <[SemTeX] > crimsun: thx
[07:37] <siretart> hi
[07:37] <crimsun> [SemTeX] : apt-cache policy pan
[07:37] <[SemTeX] > but strange enough, i couldn't apt-get those sources for universe?
[07:38] <siretart> i just created an account for the wiki, and now I get a lot of python errors after my search results after a title search. Is this known?
[07:38] <crimsun> that's because the sources return an error; i'm not sure if it's a faq on the wiki
[07:38] <crimsun> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format   Err http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Sources   Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[07:39] <[SemTeX] > it was something like that yes
[07:39] <[SemTeX] > seems to be fixed now
[07:39] <lamont> that sources file (and the packages files) get re-created every 30 minuts (if there are changes)...
[07:39] <lamont> that makes it more likely to hit the time when they're being written...
[07:39] <crimsun> right.
[07:40] <[SemTeX] > ok, thx
[07:40] <mxpxpod> can someone check if they have /usr/lib/epiphany-1.4/extensions/libtabgroupsextension.so installed after installing epiphany-extensions?
[07:40] <siretart> ah, it only occurs with preffered style "warthogs"
[07:43] <ish> Out of habit I do 'apt-get uprade'..  Should I do 'dist-upgrade'?
[07:44] <Kamion> dist-upgrade allows the installation of new packages and the removal of old packages to satisfy dependencies
[07:44] <Kamion> when doing dist-upgrade, you should watch what apt-get is doing in case it goes insane
[07:44] <Kamion> but if you get packages "held back" during apt-get upgrade, you know why :)
[07:46] <ish> so I'm safe to do 'upgrade' until I see packages held back?
[07:46] <Kamion> right
[07:46] <ish> hmm..  maybe my lack of 'dist-upgrades' is why my previous stint at debian-unstable turned rotten.
[07:47] <lamont> hrm... that does reproduce.
[07:48] <Wsquared> Kamion: Sorry to jump into the middle of a conversation...  I've been using Synaptic almost exclusively.  Is the equivalent of dist-upgrade in synaptic?
[07:49] <Kamion> Wsquared: uh, not sure, I should probably start using synaptic seriously at some point :)
[07:49] <Wsquared> Kamion: Nevermind, I just read the message that appears in "Smart Update"
[07:50] <Wsquared> "Smart Update" is dist-upgrade.
[07:51] <Wsquared> ...and that's what I've been doing.  I haven't seen anything go insane yet. :)
[07:52] <pisuke> wow, that xwindow bug hit me hard
[07:52] <pisuke> radeon here
[07:52] <pisuke> now everything is ok
[07:52] <Tomcat_> How can I set my keyboard layout in X?
[07:52] <Tomcat_> dpkg-reconfigure console-common?
[07:53] <schweeb> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[07:53] <Tomcat_> No, not in X...
[07:53] <Tomcat_> Wait... I'll ask again. :)
[07:54] <Tomcat_> Oh alright.. that's a problem in aterm... xterm can use the Umlauts.
[07:58] <dieman> hm
[07:58] <dieman> im going to have an 8way iwill qk8s box at some point in the near future
[07:59] <WW> Wow, looks like X has been updated _again_.  Don't you ubuntu developers sleep?
[08:00] <Kamion> WW: not often
[08:00] <lamont> sleep is for after release.
[08:01] <dieman> im going to be installing an i915 box tomorrow
[08:02] <dieman> expect bugs in bugzilla
[08:02] <dieman> it ain't gonna be pretty.
[08:04] <Se7h> erg
[08:05] <Se7h> seth@devil ~ $ sudo apt-get install /tmp/totem-xine_0.99.16-1_i386.deb
[08:05] <Se7h> Reading Package Lists... Done
[08:05] <Se7h> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[08:05] <Se7h> E: Couldn't find package
[08:05] <Kamion> you can't do that with apt-get ...
[08:05] <Se7h> do what ?
[08:05] <Kamion> if you have a .deb file on disk, you need to use 'sudo dpkg -i' on it, and resolve dependencies by hand
[08:05] <Kamion> apt-get install only takes package names
[08:05] <Se7h> lol
[08:05] <Se7h> forget it
[08:05] <Se7h> i must be drunk
[08:07] <mxpxpod> jdub: ping
[08:07] <jdub> pong
[08:08] <mxpxpod> jdub: how do I keep dpkg-buildpackage from signing the .dsc files?
[08:08] <mxpxpod> it keeps failing at that point
[08:08] <jdub> well, if it fails, you still have .deb files
[08:09] <jdub> but you can pass -uc -us to dpkg-buildpacakge
[08:09] <lnmnc> is there an image I can write to a usb volume to install ubuntu?
[08:09] <lnmnc> my computer can't boot off of it's firewire CD drive
[08:09] <mxpxpod> jdub: thanks :)
[08:12] <Kamion> lnmnc: not yet, on the to-do list
[08:12] <Se7h> yeaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh
[08:12] <Se7h> i got movies
[08:12] <Se7h> :D
[08:14] <lnmnc> so... I was installing ubuntu with the harddrive method, but some of the packages on the CD were corrupted.  This left my computer in an unbootable state.  There's no way to fix this with ubuntu?
[08:15] <phlaegel> fabbione: ping
[08:16] <lnmnc> Maybe a self-test function for the install CD would be a high priority?
[08:17] <Kamion> well, I only just fixed the self-tester today to work at all ...
[08:22] <lnmnc> well, I can reinstall debian from a usb stick and then go through the HD install method again...
[08:25] <phlaegel> hm. after switching to the k7 kernel, alsa seems to think it's a good idea to make my tv card the default output.
[08:32] <loz> how can I configure my card with alsa?
[08:35] <subterrific> loz: Applications->Multimedia->Volume Control
[08:36] <loz> subterrific.. no, actually get the driver to work..
[08:36] <subterrific> how do you know it isn't working?
[08:36] <loz> because there are no sound devices in /dev and volume can't run because of that.
[08:37] <subterrific> what sound card?
[08:37] <loz> i810_audio
[08:37] <loz> I don't know where to configure alsa in /etc/..  I don't know my way around ubuntu configs
[08:38] <subterrific> loz: no, i mean what card is it
[08:38] <subterrific> not the driver name
[08:39] <subterrific> is your machine a Dell?
[08:39] <loz> ntel Corp. 82801CA/CAM AC'97, yes dell laptop, C840
[08:41] <cybrjackle|work> Do  you use pinning to block installation of packages
[08:42] <loz> subterrific: essentially I want to know how I tell alsa to use the device, the install never did.
[08:42] <subterrific> loz: what does: sudo modprobe snd-intel8x0 do?
[08:43] <subterrific> loz: normally it auto detects everything and loads the drivers automatically, so this is a bug or ALSA doesn't support that card
[08:43] <loz> I had it all working under gentoo.. although not alsa.  however alsa has the driver..
[08:44] <loz> the module probes but does nothing in /dev/ for example..
[08:44] <subterrific> Dell has some issues, for example, my Dell at home has an SB Live! but it doesn't work with the standard SB Live! driver. i had to patch the ubuntu kernel with the latest ALSA and add a new driver for it
[08:45] <subterrific> loz: use paste.plone.org and show me the output from lsmod
[08:45] <subterrific> loz: you should also open a bug for this at bugzilla.ubuntu.org because everything should "Just Work"
[08:45] <Nonphasis> SB cards have several variations for the same card
[08:46] <loz> subterrific: done
[08:46] <subterrific> Nonphasis: this is a Dell specific variation, pretty sure no one else sells them. the driver source code specifically mentions Dell and the models the card ships with :\
[08:47] <Nonphasis> subterrific, yeah, it's probably some cheapo variation with emu chip...
[08:47] <subterrific> loz: everything looks in order there, are you sure you have no /dev/snd entries?
[08:48] <loz> controlC0  timer
[08:48] <loz> thn
[08:48] <loz> that's all
[08:48] <loz> no dsp etc..
[08:48] <Nonphasis> I bet there are like 10 different SB 128 PCI cards
[08:49] <subterrific> loz: open a bug for this and attach your dmesg output
[08:50] <subterrific> loz: i can also give you my patched kernel with the latest ALSA if you're interested in trying that, but i'd consider it a last resort
[08:50] <Nonphasis> subterrific, could you make via82xx sound card to default w/ dxs_support=2?
[08:51] <Nonphasis> subterrific, because, dxs support sucks more times than it doesn't
[08:52] <Nonphasis> subterrific, hissing/crappy sound quality. can't understand why dxs is enabled by default in the driver...
[08:52] <[SemTeX] > crimsun: I'm afrad that pan package makes my system crash
[08:52] <[SemTeX] > hard...
[08:52] <subterrific> Nonphasis: i haven't figured out how to pass module options in debian yet, sorry
[08:53] <Nonphasis> subterrific, can't it be put in modprobe.d?
[08:53] <subterrific> Nonphasis: but i have an on-board via82xx and dxs_support=4 works fine for me
[08:53] <Nonphasis> hmm
[08:53] <subterrific> you need to turn everything down a notch though
[08:53] <Nonphasis> it's a motherboard/bios issue
[08:53] <subterrific> you can't keep the channels in the red
[08:54] <subterrific> at least for me
[08:54] <Nonphasis> yeah i know... that,s pretty normal though
[08:54] <Nonphasis> but the dxs stuff... it took a lot of googling
[08:54] <Nonphasis> for the system that "just works", it should take the easy route
[08:55] <subterrific> Nonphasis: i found some comments about it on the alsa driver matrix page
[08:55] <Nonphasis> dxs doesn't do any good anyway
[08:57] <subterrific> Nonphasis: are you loading the module in ubuntu with dxs_support=2 right now?
[08:57] <Nonphasis> subterrific, yes
[08:58] <Nonphasis> subterrific, created a file in modprobe.d
[08:58] <subterrific> ahh
[08:58] <Nonphasis> subterrific, that's quite a bit more than "Just Works" approach should demand
[08:59] <Nonphasis> frankly' via8235 is a crappy sound chip
[08:59] <subterrific> Nonphasis: best thing to do then would be to open a bug, give me the bug number and i'll add myself to it and then i can take a look at the driver source and see what can be done
[08:59] <Nonphasis> even though mine does give optical spdif
[09:00] <Nonphasis> subterrific, sounds doable
[09:00] <Nonphasis> I'll do it when I haven't been drinking ;-)
[09:00] <subterrific> Nonphasis: i know, i only have one cause its on my motherboard
[09:00] <subterrific> i was pretty stunned at how crappy it was :\
[09:01] <Nonphasis> I thought it wouldn't matter if you feed spdif anymay
[09:01] <Nonphasis> anyway
[09:02] <Nonphasis> but these meisters invent stuff like dxs and every other driver has mysterious quality probs
[09:03] <dieman> heh, starting the i915 install now
[09:03] <dieman> be afraid
[09:03] <dieman> keyboard no work.
[09:03] <Kamion> USB keyboard?
[09:03] <clee> yay
[09:03] <dieman> yeah
[09:04] <dieman> im using the release cd
[09:04] <Kamion> dieman: any way you can get me lspci / lspci -n output?
[09:04] <dieman> i'll probally have to use a daily, eh?
[09:04] <dieman> Kamion: no
[09:04] <dieman> Kamion: usb only :|
[09:04] <dieman> i'll have to grab a knoppix cd
[09:04] <lezard> Hy all, I'm new to ubuntu and I have a stupid question. Can non-introduced users post on the ubuntu-devel mailing list or would it be preferible that just developpers post on it ?
[09:04] <Kamion> it's probably failing to load the appropriate *HCI module
[09:05] <Kamion> lezard: depends what it's about :)
[09:05] <dieman> is there a way to get d-i to talk over serial?
[09:05] <Kamion> dieman: boot with console=ttyS0 IIRC
[09:05] <lezard> Kamion: the last mail from Jeff Waugh about release dates
[09:05] <dieman> ok
[09:05] <dieman> i'll do that
[09:05] <lezard> Kamion: it seems unusual that the RC is so late compared to the final release date
[09:06] <subterrific> lezard: jeff is jdub here, talk to him in irc
[09:06] <Kamion> lezard: the 13th was going to be our release date, so it just means an extra final CD build
[09:06] <lezard> Wow, cool, what a great medi irc :)
[09:06] <lezard> Kamion: ok
[09:07] <lezard> I Don't know exactly when would be best for testing the release in fact
[09:07] <lezard> Waiting for RC or now ?
[09:07] <Nonphasis> hmm... if jeff is here, this might be a good place to inject some gnome feature request ;-)
[09:08] <Kamion> lezard: earlier the better
[09:08] <lezard> jdub: well, it's not a gnome feature request, but it seems that support for eagle-usb is missing
[09:08] <lezard> It is a driver for USB ADSL modem
[09:08] <Kamion> we have a bug about that I think
[09:09] <lezard> Ok, let me serach for it
[09:09] <lezard> *search
[09:09] <Nonphasis> USB ADSL! that way be dragons
[09:09] <lezard> Nonphasis: yep, that's awfull
[09:09] <Kamion> or maybe not, I don't see it
[09:09] <tvon|X31> where death awaits you with big sharp pointy teeth
[09:09] <Kamion> it was brought up on one of the mailing lists at least
[09:09] <Nonphasis> I'm not sure if such beasts should be even marginally supported
[09:10] <lezard> Nonphasis: I hope they will :)
[09:11] <Nonphasis> lezard, it's just that such support is completely *unnucessary*. People should really buy ethernet modems and that's the end of it
[09:11] <Nonphasis> lezard, supporting them is an unnecessary drag when almost everybody has a proper modem
[09:11] <dieman> Kamion: yay, a shell!
[09:11] <lezard> Nonphasis: well, that's a point of viex
[09:11] <lezard> *view
[09:12] <Kamion> Nonphasis: if both the hardware and the drivers exist and are reasonably free etc., we should try to support them
[09:12] <lezard> Nonphasis: I totally disagree with you, but I can respect that
[09:12] <dieman> Kamion: i can get you a /proc/bus/pci/devices
[09:12] <Kamion> dieman: that'll do
[09:12] <Nonphasis> Kamion, I guess trying shouldn't hurt anyone
[09:12] <lezard> Kamion: everything is under GPL
[09:12] <Kamion> lezard: "etc." includes "sane" of course :)
[09:12] <Nonphasis> internal adsl modems are understandable because they are cheap
[09:12] <lucas_> hi
[09:13] <lezard> Kamion: quite sane in fact
[09:13] <Nonphasis> but here, USB stuff is no cheaper than real ethernet modems
[09:13] <dieman> Kamion: ok, whats your email, or put it into bugzilla?
[09:13] <lezard> Kamion: well I'm not that objective
[09:13] <Kamion> Nonphasis: if the drivers exist and our free, it's not really our business to pass judgement on what hardware people should/shouldn't have bought
[09:13] <Kamion> dieman: cjwatson@canonical.com
[09:14] <Kamion> dieman: bugzilla probably better though
[09:14] <dieman> Kamion: wtf!? IRQ 185?!
[09:14] <lezard> Kamion: the eagle-usb tools exist under Debian
[09:14] <dieman> the echi controller is on irq 185?!
[09:14] <Kamion> dieman: wow
[09:14] <Nonphasis> Kamion, how often is that a case? i mean free (as in oss) drivers
[09:14] <Kamion> Nonphasis: sufficiently
[09:14] <dieman> Kamion: ok
[09:14] <dieman> Kamion: i'll pop it off to that email
[09:14] <Nonphasis> well, times have changed then
[09:15] <lezard> Nonphasis: they are Sagem drivers and Sagem decided that they should be GPL, eagle-usb forked from the official to make clean ones
[09:15] <dieman> Kamion: i'll probally install it here and then just do a lspci instead
[09:15] <Nonphasis> back in the day, everyone was urged to boycott non-ethernet modems, even for windows
[09:15] <dieman> Kamion: and make one bugzilla bug for i915 support, if thats ok
[09:15] <Kamion> Nonphasis: basically I think we'd rather that people who come into this channel asking for hardware support (that's generally not unreasonable for us to support) aren't told that they should've bought better hardware ...
[09:16] <Nonphasis> Kamion, undebatably true :-)
[09:16] <Kamion> Nonphasis: hardware that isn't Linux-compatible at all because the manufacturers won't release specs may or may not be a different matter
[09:16] <lezard> Nonphasis: some people don't want to buy modem when ISP let you them for free
[09:16] <Kamion> dieman: fine
[09:16] <Nonphasis> lezard, good point as well
[09:16] <lezard> Kamion: in this case, we have all the specs
[09:17] <dieman> Kamion: yeah, because it needs an addtional line for tg3 too.
[09:17] <dieman> Kamion: hopefully this tg3 doesn't need firmware
[09:17] <Nonphasis> *but*, people that are shopping for hardware should be directed towards ethernet modems
[09:18] <dieman> BCM95751...
[09:18] <dieman> 100mhz/32bit.
[09:18] <dieman> nice
[09:18] <elmo> dieman: the firmware stuff for tg3's is automatic
[09:19] <Nonphasis> is bcm95751 a tg3?
[09:19] <elmo> sounds like it
[09:19] <Nonphasis> tg3 used to suck as far as drivers go, 3 years ago when configging them was involveh with my job
[09:20] <elmo> tg3 doesn't suck any more, davem rewrote it from scratch
[09:20] <Nonphasis> great
[09:20] <Capri> hey, I try to burn CDs with cdrecord. How do this scanbus thingy work? I've used cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI: but there is no list
[09:20] <Nonphasis> tg3 is everywhere now (compaq proliants)
[09:20] <dieman> elmo: ahh, ok
[09:21] <dieman> also needs disk support loaded...
[09:21] <dieman> this is going to be a fun(!) install.
[09:21] <elmo> capri: might be easier to use nautilus - if you have an ISO, just right click and select 'Write to CD'
[09:22] <Nonphasis> ubuntu istall is so easy, i was almost disappointed ;-)
[09:22] <michel_v_> it's the post-install thing that's headache inducing :)
[09:22] <slackeerb> Nonphasis: its great isnt it. =)
[09:22] <michel_v_> with my wifi hardware, I mean ;)
[09:22] <michel_v_> else, it's great
[09:22] <slackeerb> does anyone know how to burn a .dmg cd image?
[09:23] <Nonphasis> yes, post-install... that's always the real problem
[09:23] <Capri> elmo, nautilus didn't work. I choosed the data and wanted to burn it. After making image it didn't go on to burning.
[09:23] <Nonphasis> 1) get sound and video going
[09:23] <Nonphasis> 2) get nvidia bin drivers going
[09:24] <Capri> elmo, must I do anything compareable to this ide-scsi stuff from 2.4 kernels in 2.6?
[09:24] <slackeerb> Nonphasis: http://serios.net/content/debian/nvidia-display-drivers.php
[09:24] <Nonphasis> ubuntu should really have "apt-get install mplayer-compile"
[09:24] <Nonphasis> slackeerb, my nvidia is going already
[09:24] <elmo> capri: I don't think so, but I'm not sure to be honest, cd burning in nautilus "just worked" for me
[09:25] <Nonphasis> slackeerb, just had to come up with the /etc/modules thing
[09:25] <Nonphasis> k3b is the only one that "just works"
[09:25] <slackeerb> Nonphasis: for mplayer add this to your apt source list "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main"
[09:25] <Nonphasis> too bad they didn't do it in gtk
[09:26] <Tsjoklate> hi all
[09:26] <Nonphasis> slackeerb, yes, I did, but that is inferior to the compiled one
[09:26] <slackeerb> Hello
[09:26] <Tsjoklate> does anyone know if gtktalog is going to be in the list?
[09:26] <slackeerb> Nonphasis: true. =P
[09:26] <Nonphasis> slackeerb, it can't even resize the window
[09:26] <slackeerb> brb lunch time. um.
[09:27] <Nonphasis> having a package that compiles the fetched source shouldn't even be illegal
[09:28] <Echylo> this is a loveely OS :D
[09:31] <Nonphasis> one thing that has to be said for ubuntu - it's visually pleasing (gnome 2.8 is beautifull)
[09:31] <Tsjoklate> hey Lowe 
[09:31] <Nonphasis> probably the first time someone might choose linux for aesthetics
[09:34] <Echylo> yes its very beatiful
[09:34] <Echylo> never tried gnome actually
[09:34] <Echylo> but I just installed it
[09:34] <Echylo> and I already love it
[09:34] <Echylo> its so clean
[09:35] <Mitario> wow lol, how come so many people are already working for canonical, is this a 'community'-buildup enterprise?
[09:39] <dieman> jeezus
[09:39] <dieman> go freenode
[09:39] <dieman> or am i on oftc
[09:39] <dieman> i cant remember
[09:41] <eazel7> arachne, you took the name of a web browser
[09:41] <eazel7> I used it on a 386 with ADSL
[09:42] <eazel7> that 386 had a web server
[09:43] <arachne> hehe
[09:43] <arachne> wtf ? a 386 with adsl ? when ?
[09:43] <Treenaks> eazel7: that was an ancient DOS based browser, right?
[09:43] <eazel7> because I had two computers, this one and the 386, but when I turn off this one, I wanted that the home web server keep alive, so I used pepa for adsl, and it had a webserver for DOS that I can't remember the name
[09:43] <eazel7> Treenaks, not so ancient ;)
[09:43] <dieman> Kamion: btw, it loaded fine when i booted, its just the installer thats broken
[09:44] <Treenaks> eazel7: uh.. it was like 1996 or something
[09:44] <dieman> Kamion: would the dailies be fixed then?
[09:44] <Treenaks> eazel7: which, according to my reckoning, is ancient ;)
[09:44] <Tsjoklate> Kamion: is gtktalog going to be included?
[09:44] <eazel7> Version	 1.73  
[09:44] <eazel7> Entered-date	2004-05-10  
[09:45] <eazel7> it's still alive www.arachne.cz
[09:47] <neighborlee> anyone else  having trouble gettting java plugin working ? ( mozilla1.72/firefox)
[09:47] <neighborlee> I have it downloaded and symlink is in place in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ( yes i used the *gcc* version) yet still nadda....
[09:47] <tseng> hi all
[09:48] <Echylo> every minute
[09:48] <Echylo> ubuntu is getting closer to become my main OS
[09:51] <masquerade> netsplit o_O
[09:52] <neighborlee> split !!!
[09:52] <neighborlee> shields,SHIELDS!!
[09:52] <masquerade> batton down the hatches
[09:52] <kagou> hi guys
[09:52] <eazel7> what a heck happened?
[09:52] <masquerade> get ready for reconnection
[09:52] <masquerade> netsplit :D
[09:59] <neighborlee> I have it downloaded and symlink is in place in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ( yes i used the *gcc* version) yet still nadda....
[10:01] <peteog> anyone know how to get totem-xine to use esd?
[10:02] <neighborlee> peteog, dunno might be a runtime switch like: --enable-esd < shrug no idea never tried
[10:03] <peteog> cool
[10:04] <neighborlee> or: man totem
[10:04] <neighborlee> sorry I just never tried ;(
[10:04] <peteog> heh
[10:04] <peteog> no worries
[10:05] <peteog> it still dies anyways
[10:05] <peteog> so many issues with sound
[10:05] <peteog> alsa is jsut broke
[10:05] <lucas_> hi
[10:05] <peteog> esd is the only way i can get it so i can hear gaim sounds when say beep is playing an mp3
[10:05] <eazel7> what kernel are you using?
[10:06] <Deft> peteog: Totem doesn't give an error if you put esd as the sound output in totem_config, but as for whether it actually takes any notice of it...
[10:06] <lucas_> I'm looking for a web check applet packaged in Ubuntu/Debian which allows to check mail in several mbox files
[10:06] <peteog> :)
[10:06] <dieman> ph
[10:06] <dieman> oh
[10:06] <Deft> lucas_: other than inbox monitor?
[10:06] <dieman> elmo: i got the disk space to fully mirror the cd images too i think
[10:06] <lucas_> inbox monitor can't check several mboxes
[10:06] <peteog> eazel7, was that question for me?
[10:07] <eazel7> yup
[10:07] <Deft> you can have more than one
[10:07] <peteog> ah
[10:07] <jk> does anyone use evolution on amd64 and notice that the calendar doesn't work?
[10:07] <eazel7> what kernel is ubuntu using?
[10:07] <peteog> Linux scully 2.6.8.1-2-386 #1 Sat Sep 18 09:49:53 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:07] <peteog> yeah im a huge X-Files fan :)
[10:07] <eazel7> have alsa compiled as module or builtin?
[10:08] <peteog> module as far as i know.. although its basically just a clean install off the cd.. sound card was just found
[10:08] <jk> eazel7: module
[10:08] <eazel7> I had troubles with alsa as module
[10:08] <eazel7> when it was builtin it worked
[10:08] <eazel7> even using alsalib an those
[10:08] <jk> it uses a 2.6.8.1 kernel with debian patches btw...
[10:09] <lucas_> Deft: yes but you can't know which one is for each mailbox, you just get "No mail No mail No mail" ;)
[10:09] <peteog> eazel7, thats interesting..
[10:10] <MrPiddlz> Ok I have come back because the fglrx drivers for ubuntu are finally out but I still have no direct rendering.
[10:10] <MrPiddlz> Can someone help me with that?
[10:11] <MrPiddlz> please ;_;
[10:11] <jg_> jdub: you around?
[10:12] <eazel7> I come from gentoo lands, on the south
[10:12] <eazel7> and the gentoo kernel works very nicely
[10:13] <eazel7> but when visited since the sunday the debian lands, I noticed the kernel is very slow
[10:13] <neighborlee> I have it downloaded and symlink is in place in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ( yes i used the *gcc* version) yet still nadda....anyone else tried and having similar issues ? ;(
[10:13] <MrPiddlz> No one has an ATI radeon 9600 and more? And actually have gotten direct rendering to work.
[10:16] <topyli> well, i tried to run ubuntu with a nice framebuffer console today. i ended up with upgrading to sid and then back :)
[10:17] <topyli> i have a ati 9*** card there
[10:18] <mxpxpod> mdz: what does it mean to have sa use bogofilter by default?
[10:18] <topyli> poor mans spamassassin?
[10:20] <Lowe> How would i set a theme for root? 
[10:20] <topyli> Lowe: what is "root" :)
[10:21] <jk> nm about my question, it didn't appear so obvious to me that i had to turn it on in evolution's left bar
[10:21] <Echylo> root
[10:21] <Lowe> Well when i run something say if i start nautilus with sudo su i get a basic old theme
[10:21] <Echylo> are you serious topyli?
[10:21] <jdub> jg_: here
[10:21] <Echylo> root is the main user, it can change everything in your OS
[10:22] <kagou> MrPiddlz, i have a 9600 M10
[10:22] <topyli> Echylo: sure. i haven't been root for years.
[10:22] <eazel7> bbl
[10:22] <Echylo> ow :)
[10:22] <jdub> morning all
[10:22] <MrPiddlz> kagou did you get direct rendering?
[10:22] <kagou> i look
[10:23] <topyli> hey jdub
[10:23] <topyli> i just broke ubuntu very badly :)
[10:23] <kagou> MrPiddlz, i think yes
[10:24] <punkass> anyone know of an irc room or website for trouble shooting harddrive issues..?
[10:25] <kagou> MrPiddlz, you have installed restricted module + put fglrx in /etc/modules and change ati by fglrx in Xfree config ?
[10:25] <Tsjoklate> ah even the wallpaper I made looks nice now :)
[10:25] <Tsjoklate> very happy customer on this end
[10:25] <punkass> as soon as i plug my secondary harddrive in i get all sorts of boot errors.. it says everything is Read-Only
[10:25] <Tsjoklate> Ubuntu all the way
[10:25] <Echylo> yea
[10:25] <MrPiddlz> Ok kagou all I did was install the packages from the package manager.
[10:25] <Tsjoklate> I have ATI up and running, 3d and all.. didn't do anything special
[10:25] <Tsjoklate> just rebuilt a new kernel
[10:25] <topyli> Tsjoklate: put the wallpaper on cirulation then, if it looks good
[10:25] <MrPiddlz> Then edited the XF86Config file and put "fglrx" where it needs to be like how I did in slack.
[10:26] <Tsjoklate> you think so?
[10:26] <kagou> you must load the module too
[10:26] <MrPiddlz> But what is this "restricted module + and put fglrx in /etc/modules" O.o?
[10:26] <MrPiddlz> Load it?
[10:26] <MrPiddlz> I type modprobe "fglrx" and it says it can't find the module.
[10:27] <Slackeerb> Anyone a link to "how-to" installing java?
[10:27] <topyli> jdub: look back at what i just said if you're logging. i had bad framebuffed experiences.
[10:27] <Tsjoklate> I'll put it on gnome-look this arvo when I get up
[10:27] <Deft> Slackeerb: there are some 1.5 packages, I think the ubuntu site has a link
[10:27] <kagou> MrPiddlz, apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-2-3-YOURPROC
[10:27] <MrPiddlz> k then
[10:27] <Tsjoklate> I only have one big problem
[10:27] <Slackeerb> Deft: huh. lol...
[10:27] <Tsjoklate> when I click properties of a mp3 file it gives me errors
[10:27] <kagou> it contain fglrx module compiled for the standart kernel provided by ubuntu
[10:27] <MrPiddlz> kagou what are restricted modules by the way. I just want to know.
[10:28] <Deft> MrPiddlz: there are instructions for ATI drivers as well...
[10:28] <Slackeerb> jdub: what was that site you gave me for installing java? I could sure use it again.
[10:28] <kagou> contains nvidia and ATI modules
[10:28] <kagou> and a few others
[10:28] <MrPiddlz> Deft where are the instructiongs O.o?
[10:28] <topyli> rtfm :)
[10:28] <kagou> http://wiki.no-name-yet.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:29] <kagou> thanks topyli :/
[10:29] <Tsjoklate> it reads: There was an error while trying to create the view named `Audio/Video': System exception: IDL"omg.org/CORBA/COMM_Failure:1.0
[10:29] <mdz> mxpxpod: bogofilter is a spam filtering package
[10:29] <topyli> nb
[10:29] <Tsjoklate> does anyone know what that means and how I can fix it?
[10:30] <MrPiddlz> Thank you kagou!!
[10:30] <siretart> is there a netinst available? i dont want to download the whole 600mb image
[10:30] <MrPiddlz> whoo hoo!
[10:31] <mxpxpod> mdz: and evo on ubuntu uses that instead of sa?
[10:31] <kagou> np MrPiddlz :)
[10:32] <topyli> Tsjoklate: can you play the files?
[10:32] <mdz> mxpxpod: yes
[10:32] <mxpxpod> mdz: what if sa is installed?
[10:33] <mdz> mxpxpod: I'm unsure of the status of the implementation; that's why my comment on the bug was phrased as a question :-)
[10:33] <mxpxpod> mdz: ah, ok
[10:33] <Tsjoklate> topyli: yes
[10:33] <Tsjoklate> plays fine
[10:33] <Tsjoklate> in totem and rhytm
[10:33] <mxpxpod> jdub: why did you choose bogofilter over sa?
[10:34] <topyli> Tsjoklate: so, it's just a file association problem. let's fix it.
[10:34] <Tsjoklate> topyli: sounds great.. how? :)
[10:34] <jdub> mxpxpod: due to a serious misbalance in rules vs. sucks.
[10:34] <mxpxpod> oh?
[10:35] <topyli> Tsjoklate: right click a file. what do you see=
[10:35] <Slackeerb> i cant seem to find a java guide on the wiki site. =(
[10:35] <Capri> siretart: no. Ubuntus standard install need at least all those packages
[10:35] <Tsjoklate> lots of things?
[10:36] <Deft> Slackeerb: the hard way: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian
[10:36] <topyli> like "open with..."?
[10:36] <siretart> Capri: oh. ic. but, I just found that netboot/mini.iso. whats that for?
[10:36] <Tsjoklate> open with, open in a new window, open with music player open with another app, cut/copy file, make link copy link 
[10:36] <Tsjoklate> yeah see that
[10:36] <Tsjoklate> open with other app
[10:37] <topyli> Tsjoklate: but no ready-made alternatives?
[10:37] <Tsjoklate> open with totem, open in new window, open with music player, open with other app
[10:38] <Tsjoklate> those are myoptions
[10:38] <Slackeerb> Deft: i dont get how to download the sdk to /var/install/java/1.4.2.
[10:38] <topyli> and totem or "music player" work?
[10:38] <Capri> siretart: really? mmh. I didn't know that but the standard installer of Ubuntu brings no option which packages will be installed.
[10:38] <Deft> Slackeerb: the (untried by me) easier http://z42.de/debian/
[10:38] <Lowe> when is ubuntu gonna make some tshirts! i want a tshirt lol
[10:39] <Tsjoklate> they both work topy
[10:39] <topyli> Lowe: yes we need them badly
[10:39] <Capri> siretart: so best you choose with netinstall the expert mode to get package selection
[10:39] <topyli> Tsjoklate: so all we need is a default?
[10:39] <Deft> Lowe: there can't be T-shirts when there still isn't a mascot!
[10:39] <Tsjoklate> I suppose
[10:39] <Slackeerb> Deft: much easier. thx. =)
[10:39] <Tsjoklate> I probably should install xmms?
[10:39] <Lowe> hehe
[10:40] <siretart> Capri: ok. i'll try. thanks.
[10:40] <topyli> jdub: HELP US!
[10:40] <mxpxpod> jdub: so, I don't need sa installed...
[10:40] <Capri> Deft: why not? ubuntu has a logo for t-shirts ;)
[10:40] <jdub> mxpxpod: the evo spam stuff still uses SA
[10:40] <Tsjoklate> should I install xmms and use that for default?
[10:41] <jdub> Deft, Capri: there will be a tshirt comp starting sometime this week
[10:41] <topyli> Tsjoklate: let me see if it even works for me, i haven't tried, just remembered =)
[10:41] <mxpxpod> jdub: ok... so explain to me this bogofilter hack you did...
[10:41] <Tsjoklate> topyli: alrighty :)
[10:41] <Echylo> omg
[10:41] <jdub> mxpxpod: it's not present
[10:41] <Deft> jdub: but where's the logo? I vote for a little known and unpronounceble mammal
[10:41] <mxpxpod> jdub: oh, ok
[10:41] <Deft> damn, mascot
[10:42] <jdub> no mascot
[10:42] <Capri> jdub: nice
[10:42] <topyli> Tsjoklate: totem starts right away
[10:42] <Tsjoklate> yes that's the default
[10:42] <Slackeerb> jdub: do you still have that java link you sent me yesturday? =)
[10:42] <Capri> Deft: what's a mammal?
[10:42] <jdub> i don't think i had a java link
[10:43] <Tsjoklate> don't think I want totem to be default too
[10:43] <Slackeerb> jdub: lol sorry maybe it was someone eles. =)
[10:43] <Tsjoklate> I really think I should get xmms
[10:43] <Deft> Capri: "Any of various warm-blooded vertebrate animals of the class Mammalia"
[10:44] <Capri> Tsjoklate: I use totem-xine for videos and music player for music but it's your choice
[10:44] <topyli> Tsjoklate: i entered "rhythbox" as the "other application" in there and it started. it works as advertised :)
[10:44] <Tsjoklate> and how is your props looking?
[10:44] <Tsjoklate> do you have those funky errors?
[10:44] <schweeb> Slackeerb: deb http://debian.innovationsw.com/debian unstable/i386/ & deb http://debian.innovationsw.com/debian unstable/all/
[10:45] <schweeb> Slackeerb: that what you're looking for?
[10:45] <schweeb> java apt sources?
[10:45] <Capri> Deft: lol and what's mammalia ;) I'll visit babel.altavista ;)
[10:45] <topyli> no errors, it works as gnome does :)
[10:45] <Tsjoklate> in the aud/vid tab? no errors?
[10:45] <topyli> no errors
[10:46] <Tsjoklate> you got a totally updated box?
[10:46] <topyli> now i'm really busy. absolutely fabulous is running in finland =)
[10:46] <Slackeerb> schweeb: im just looking for the easyiest way to install java.
[10:46] <Tsjoklate> I still am updating.. might be the issue
[10:46] <dieman> omfg
[10:46] <dieman> the video worked!
[10:47] <dieman> with pcie ati card, fglrx, and a chipid of 0x4e46!
[10:47] <dieman> explode!
[10:47] <schweeb> Slackeerb: that's prolly it
[10:47] <Tsjoklate> I'll update the box first before tackling the problem again
[10:47] <Tsjoklate> crikey.. 30MB updates
[10:48] <Slackeerb> schweeb: so i add those lines to my source list, then what?
[10:48] <schweeb> apt-get update
[10:48] <schweeb> then apt-cache search java sdk... the pkgs are in there somewhere
[10:48] <Tsjoklate> sudo apt-get update
[10:48] <schweeb> I don't personally use java
[10:48] <Tsjoklate> sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:48] <schweeb> unless I absolutely have to
[10:49] <Slackeerb> schweeb: thx ill give it a try.
[10:50] <Capri> which gui do you use for cd burning?
[10:51] <punkass> anyone know of an irc room or website for trouble shooting harddrive issues..?
[10:52] <Capri> punkass: driver related  or hardware related?
[10:52] <Lowe> Man im talking to this idiot he says >"I want to use linux but can i use IE"
[10:52] <Lowe> he is so lame
[10:53] <Capri> lol but he can use IE ;)
[10:53] <whiprush> Slackeerb: the package is j2sdk
[10:53] <punkass> Capri: as soon as i plug my secondary harddrive (no fstab entries, just pluged in) i get all sorts of boot errors.. it says everything on the master drive is Read-Only and i get all sorts of boot errors...
[10:54] <Lowe> But that's disgustin capri
[10:54] <Lowe> g
[10:55] <Capri> punkass: is it ATA?
[10:55] <punkass> yeah..they are both 40gig maxtor drives
[10:55] <punkass> ive check all master/slave jumpers
[10:55] <Capri> punkass: how do you have the jumpers set
[10:56] <punkass> master drive is on main IDE port.. slave is on secondary IDE port
[10:56] <schweeb> please don't say  you're using cable select
[10:56] <schweeb> cable select is the devil
[10:56] <punkass> nope
[10:56] <punkass> master is set to master and slave is set to slave'
[10:57] <schweeb> what was the drive that was in there before set to?
[10:57] <punkass> master
[10:58] <punkass> i originally had them on the same IDE, but i tried with different IDE cables and had the same problem
[10:58] <schweeb> wait a second
[10:58] <schweeb> they're not on the same channel?
[10:59] <punkass> they were....not at the moment
[10:59] <punkass> i just tried different channel to see if i would fix it
[10:59] <Capri> punkass: have you tried the new one alone for a test install? so you can say that it is not the second hd alone
[10:59] <schweeb> well, both should be set to master/single then
[11:00] <Deft> can you try that disk on its own; with a livecd or something?
[11:00] <Deft> just so you can boot and mount it
[11:00] <schweeb> most BIOSes don't like having only a slave on the channel
[11:00] <punkass> i did..i used knoppix to set up the partitions'
[11:00] <punkass> schweeb: ah ok..that makes sense..
[11:01] <punkass> tho it would be nice to have the back on the same channel
[11:01] <punkass> them*
[11:01] <Capri> yes if you have them on seperate ide channels then there is no slave
[11:01] <schweeb> so your choices are drive1=master,chan1&drive2=master,chan2; or drive1=master,chan1&drive2=slave,chan1
[11:02] <schweeb> and there's sometimes a "single" setting
[11:02] <schweeb> that's different than master
[11:02] <punkass>  drive1=master,chan1&drive2=slave,chan1 <<< is what i had originally
[11:02] <schweeb> if it's the only drive on the channel
[11:02] <schweeb> well, look for a single setting
[11:02] <punkass> ok
[11:02] <schweeb> or just put them both in there w/ the jumpers disabled
[11:03] <schweeb> (which is usually single)
[11:03] <punkass> disabled? as in no jumpers?
[11:03] <Deft> no jumpers is slave normally isn't it?
[11:03] <schweeb> there are usually 3 sets of pins ::: <--- like this
[11:03] <Capri> Does noone burn CDs with a GUI here? Just want to know which I should choose ;)
[11:03] <punkass> yup
[11:04] <Deft> for master left, cs right, and middle for no deal in my memory...
[11:04] <Sirius_Black> guys - how do i configure the way gdm screen looks
[11:04] <Cardador> Capri: i have the same problem :)
[11:04] <schweeb> |:: might be master, :|: might be slave, and ::| might be CS
[11:04] <Sirius_Black> i have to say the yellow ubuntu defualt looks awfull
[11:04] <punkass> Capri: i just use nautilus
[11:04] <schweeb> if none of these are set, unjumpered (or with the jumper sideways) usually means "single"
[11:04] <WW> Capri: The only thing I've burned is an ISO, and I used nautilus.
[11:04] <Deft> Sirius_Black: yeah, but that doesn't make it true
[11:05] <punkass> schweeb: ok thanks...ill give it a shot
[11:05] <Sirius_Black> Deft: :-), still how do i change the looks
[11:05] <Cardador> Sirius_Black: computer > system conf > login scree setup
[11:05] <schweeb> so, if the pins are this way :::, connect the jumper this way -
[11:05] <Sirius_Black> ok ta Cardador 
[11:05] <punkass> gotcha
[11:05] <Capri> nautilus is ok but for copy cds I use at the moment dd -> iso and nautilus and it would be fine to have this all in one
[11:06] <punkass> Capri: nautilus can do data aswell...just not create audio cds
[11:06] <Deft> Capri: you mean you want nautilus to be able to read to isos?
[11:06] <Sirius_Black> Cardador: i dont seam to have that menu entry :-(
[11:06] <Cardador> Sirius_Black you should have it
[11:06] <Sirius_Black> Cardador: can u check and tell me what is the command line version please
[11:07] <Capri> nop. to create the cd copy.
[11:07] <Sirius_Black> Cardador: perhaps i should but i dont :-((
[11:07] <Cardador> Sirius_Black: gdmsetup
[11:07] <Sirius_Black> Cardador: tnx
[11:07] <Cardador> np
[11:07] <Sirius_Black> Oh btw - i am new to gnome and gdm, hence all these easy qyestions :-))
[11:08] <Cardador> kinda strange it is missing from the menu
[11:08] <WW> Sirius: You have Compter -> System Configuration, right?
[11:09] <WW> s/pter/puter/
[11:09] <Sirius_Black> WW - yeah i do
[11:09] <FX|Laptop> Hello
[11:09] <FX|Laptop> First off like to say, Wonderful distro!!
[11:09] <WW> Sirius: What are the first few entries in that submenu?
[11:10] <Sirius_Black> WW they are: .......
[11:10] <FX|Laptop> Anyone give me a hand?
[11:10] <Sirius_Black> WW - networking, printing, screen resolution, time and date, and, users and groups
[11:11] <Capri> device manager, synaptic is missing
[11:11] <Sirius_Black> btw guys - have changed sources.list to sid and have dist-upgraded with only two minor problems that i managed to sort out easily
[11:11] <Sirius_Black> have also configured alsa and nvidia
[11:11] <Sirius_Black> and ...
[11:11] <Sirius_Black> i installed kde
[11:11] <FX|Laptop> I have wireless Atheros. I have to the point where the signal strength monitor shows a signal with 84%, but cannot get to the lan or net.
[11:11] <Cardador> Sirius_Black: theres your problem :)
[11:11] <Sirius_Black> not a bad job
[11:12] <WW> OK, Ubuntu gurus, why doesn't Sirius have Device Manager and Login Screen Setup?  That's over my head  (not too hard to get that high :)
[11:12] <Cardador> WW: dist upgrade to sid
[11:12] <schweeb> might have something to do with the sid dist upgrade
[11:12] <schweeb> which is warned against in the FAQs
[11:12] <WW> Ah, that went right by me.
[11:12] <Sirius_Black> during sid dist-upgrade no packets were removed btw
[11:12] <Cardador> Sirius_Black: if you wanted sid, why not use debian installer?
[11:13] <Sirius_Black> Cardador: the answer is simple - couse it is much easier to install 2.6 kernel debian based distro than it is debian itself :-))
[11:13] <jmhodges> uh.. hunh
[11:14] <Cardador> Sirius_Black: hmm you could have used knoppix
[11:14] <jmhodges> totem-gstreamer and totem-xine both are not working on mpeg files
[11:14] <Sirius_Black> anyway guys - i am VERY VERY pleased with ubuntu, althought it is sid now
[11:14] <jmhodges> t-g displays just a black vid scren
[11:14] <Sirius_Black> Cardador: knopixx has no gnome 2.8
[11:14] <jmhodges> t-x just a blue one
[11:14] <schweeb> Sirius_Black: type linux26 at the install prompt at d-i ....
[11:14] <jmhodges> im assuming this is something stupid done on my part?
[11:14] <Cardador> Sirius_Black: i had sid AND gnome 2.8
[11:15] <Cardador> Sirius_Black: it is available on experimental
[11:15] <Sirius_Black> Cardador: so whu have you moved to ubuntu then
[11:15] <Kamion> Sirius_Black: you probably didn't have the menu entries because you didn't have the relevant packages installed
[11:15] <Capri> jmhodges: I have this problem with one SVCD too. Another one works without problems
[11:15] <Sirius_Black> Kamion: u could be well right mate
[11:15] <Kamion> Sirius_Black: aptitude install '~tubuntu-desktop' is the standard way to get our default desktop set
[11:15] <jmhodges> Capri: hmm.. same thing happens on all vid files so far
[11:15] <jmhodges> tested like 3
[11:15] <jmhodges> s/vid/mpeg/
[11:16] <Cardador> Sirius_Black: i just fell ubuntu is much more oriented to desktop use than plain debian
[11:16] <Sirius_Black> i thought that libranet was the ultimate debian based distro but i have to say ubuntu is the daddy of debian based distros for mr from now on
[11:16] <Sirius_Black> Cardador: couldnt agree more mate
[11:16] <Capri> jmhodges: SVCD is mpeg2. mpeg2 support should be included in totem-xine. for any other kind of codec you have to install these win32-codecs
[11:17] <jmhodges> these should be mpeg-2
[11:17] <topyli> ok. i can honestly say absolutely fabulous is perfectly ok.
[11:17] <jmhodges> Capri: i assume i need to do some configuring outside of simply unpacking that w32codecs tarball in /usr/lib ?
[11:19] <Deft> jmhodges: as long is they end up in /usr/lib/win32, hopefully nothing
[11:19] <jmhodges> Deft: ah
[11:19] <Capri> You can check it in totem-xine if it has found the plugins
[11:19] <phlaegel> jmhodges: if you have the marillat source you can apt-get the codecs
[11:20] <topyli> jmhodges: why don't you just install a debian package :)
[11:20] <jmhodges> well, because im ignorant of such an option :D
[11:20] <Capri> With the marillat package it didn't work, too.
[11:20] <jmhodges> sorry, debian newb here
[11:20] <jmhodges> ah, well
[11:22] <WW> I used marillat, and it worked.  If I could remember the exact sequence of steps, I'd add something to the wiki, but flailed around a bit (and, of course, pestered folks here for help).
[11:22] <schweeb> if you're still using totem, you have to add "universe" and install totem-xine
[11:22] <WW> s/flailed/I flailed/
[11:22] <topyli> jmhodges: see my unstable setup at http://siltala.webhop.net/floss/sources.list -- but only pick up the marillat line or you'll end up with a very dangerous system :)
[11:23] <jmhodges> so, i have to use the marillat repo and totem-xine?
[11:23] <neighborlee> I have it downloaded and symlink is in place in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ( yes i used the *gcc* version) yet still nadda....anyone else by chance tried and having problems with java in mozilla ? ;-))
[11:23] <topyli> no-one :)
[11:24] <Capri> and why I have two SVCDs with MPEG2 codec which didn't work with it? These SVCDs work with PowerDVD without any problems!?
[11:24] <WW> I think the marillat repo has libdvdcss2 and w32codes, while totem-xine is in univers.
[11:24] <neighborlee> is there a howo-to for getting java to work in ubuntu ?
[11:24] <topyli> neighborlee: same as debian
[11:24] <neighborlee> I followed directions precisley from sun's site but its still not working
[11:25] <WW> Ugh, I cn't typ toda
[11:25] <neighborlee> topyli, do you have a url possibly ?
[11:25] <topyli> see the link i gave above. there's a good debian java repo as well.
[11:25] <jmhodges> so whats the name of the deb pkg in marillat?
[11:25] <FX|Laptop> What is the command to restart the network? I know it in Slack and Fedora but not Debain based.
[11:25] <topyli> neighborlee: i answered even before you asked ;)
[11:26] <Capri>  libdvdcss2 and w32codes
[11:26] <Capri> jmhodges: libdvdcss2 and w32codecs
[11:26] <WW> No, w32codecs
[11:26] <WW> (my bad earilier)
[11:26] <WW> JEEZ!
[11:26] <topyli> FX|Laptop: see what's in /etc/init.d, then use those commands, they're all scritps.
[11:26] <Capri> I've seen it too late ;)
[11:27] <FX|Laptop> thanks topyli
[11:27] <topyli> FX|Laptop: if you know redhat, use /etc/init.d instead of "service"
[11:27] <neighborlee> topyli, pleaes repaste I'm not seeing your post
[11:27] <jmhodges> ok cool thanks Capri
[11:28] <neighborlee> topyli, be known that I did follow instuctions from suns site and installed the symlink where in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins according to debians instructions
[11:28] <topyli> neighborlee: see http://siltala.webhop.net/floss and you'll find a fine sources.list
[11:28] <FX|Laptop> so /etc/init.d/networking restart?  :)
[11:28] <neighborlee> topyli, alright thx
[11:28] <Capri> jmhodges: can you tell me if it works for you. I will try it again with that package, then.
[11:28] <topyli> neighborlee: you're doing too much work :)
[11:28] <jmhodges> ok
[11:28] <jdub> hey jmhodges 
[11:29] <jmhodges> heya jdub
[11:30] <neighborlee> topyli, is there maybe a ubuntu readme I missed..if not maybe they could add one under a 'faq'.
[11:31] <topyli> neighborlee: i don't understand. i'm just a debian/ubuntu user :)
[11:32] <neighborlee> topyli, ?
[11:32] <topyli> siltala.webhop.net is my page, why would there be an ubuntu faq answer leading there?
[11:32] <jmhodges> Capri: that did it, but you need totem-xine installed (i think, i havent tried totem-gstreamer)
[11:33] <neighborlee> topyli, you said I was doing too much work so I thought maybe there was a readme I'd missed pointing me to the 'easier' way of doing it ;-00
[11:33] <topyli> neighborlee: oh, it's just we debian users take all this for granted =)
[11:34] <neighborlee> topyli, apparantly ;-0
[11:34] <topyli> :D
[11:34] <OZ8AAZ> 'evening...
[11:34] <Slackeerb> blah none of these java install guides are helping me. Can someone help me install java?
[11:35] <mxpxpod> jdub: how did you get the ubuntu1 in the names of your .debs?
[11:35] <OZ8AAZ> Slacker: get a source from apt-get.org
[11:35] <neighborlee> question...why did ubuntu go with unstable instead of sarge ?...do they feel ITO that unstable is as stable as other distros 'stable' lines ?...i'm curious cause I have a workstation and i'm a bit 'leary' of using unstable frankly ;-)
[11:35] <topyli> neighborlee: "mandrake is easy", "choose xandros", whatever... =)
[11:35] <neighborlee> topyli, mdk is also pricey..xandros is kde and I wont bother..you get the point <G>
[11:36] <Slackeerb> 0Z8AAZ: huh lol. Ima newb...
[11:36] <jdub> mxpxpod: the version is taken from the top changelog entry
[11:36] <mxpxpod> jdub: ahhh
[11:36] <Kamion> neighborlee: unstable's got current fixes, and we have enough active Debian developers on staff who are well aware of the current state of unstable that we're confident we can fix the breakage that occurs
[11:37] <topyli> neighborlee: mandrake has good gnome though. i have good mandrake experiences, expect that rpm based stuff tends to break. :( still, urpmi is great.
[11:37] <OZ8AAZ> slacker: hehe, check out www.apt-get.org anyhow...
[11:37] <mxpxpod> jdub: so you updated the changelogs... ok
[11:37] <Kamion> neighborlee: we're not using unstable in unmodified form, that would be a bit mad
[11:37] <topyli> s/expect/except
[11:37] <Capri> jmhodges: ok. i use t-xine, too. for gstreamer are bugs reports in bugzilla. so it might not work.
[11:37] <Kamion> mxpxpod: you have to
[11:37] <jdub> mxpxpod: when you change a package, you have to update the changelog
[11:37] <Slackeerb> OZ8AAZ: heh ok ill give it a try.
[11:37] <neighborlee> topyli, I agree urpmi is good..mdk is too 'give me money' so I wont ever bother again
[11:37] <mxpxpod> jdub: gotcha
[11:37] <neighborlee> topyli, to me linux is a mindset=OSS..mdk has left that entirely IMO
[11:38] <topyli> neighborlee: i've been using mandrake for years and years without a penny. look at it, it's very community based.
[11:38] <neighborlee> although at least MDK has good gnome support I'll admit..suse forget it LOL
[11:39] <OZ8AAZ> slacker: and/or google for a good how-to on adding sources to your systems list...
[11:39] <topyli> suse gnome sucks very seriously
[11:39] <neighborlee> topyli, agreed..I just dont like that they are so up front about asking for money....and that they charge for the panel applet notifier of updates..just MO ;-)
[11:39] <siretart> mmh. I just managed to install ubuntu with that netboot image
[11:39] <Slackeerb> OZ8AAZ: ive been googleing. No luck. =(
[11:39] <siretart> but right now i have neither X nor bootsplash. :)
[11:39] <Kamion> let's not get too enthusiastic about the distro wars :)
[11:39] <neighborlee> Kamion, so if I break I dont own both pieces ? <G>
[11:39] <neighborlee> heh
[11:40] <topyli> neighborlee: heh, they need money -> they ask the community. what would you do? sell out or ask your friends? seriously!
[11:40] <OZ8AAZ> slacker: hang on...
[11:40] <Kamion> neighborlee: within our supported set, you can bring the pieces to us and ask for help; outside that, the pieces are all yours :-)
[11:40] <neighborlee> Kamion, heh
[11:40] <neighborlee> topyli, I just dont like how they ask
[11:41] <OZ8AAZ> slacker: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
[11:41] <neighborlee> topyli, its nothing personal..its just how I see linux and what it means to me personally..which is why ubuntu caught my eye ;-0
[11:41] <Capri> Am I blind? I don't found win32-codes on ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/
[11:41] <jdandr2> should I look up info on setting up apache on debian sites or ???  I have the server working, just cannot get cgi-bin to work :(
[11:41] <Capri> s/found/find/
[11:41] <neighborlee> you see OSS=freedom...and those that ask for money IMO are in neither category
[11:42] <Slackeerb> OZ8AAZ: that doesnt help install java. =P
[11:42] <neighborlee> although it depends 'how' they ask..;-))..again..MO
[11:42] <topyli> ok. they have to find a way, it's not cool, but they have to do something. i'm not partial to mandrake and i'm not offended by your opinion.
[11:43] <neighborlee> topyli, kewl
[11:43] <topyli> got to smoke something
[11:43] <topyli> smoking ->
[11:43] <Kamion> freedom != price; as long as they don't restrict your freedom to do whatever you want with the software within the licences, they're not impinging upon freedom.
[11:43] <Capri> jmhodges: do you know the full package name of these codecs?
[11:43] <jmhodges> Capri: w32codecs and libdvdcss2 (iirc)
[11:44] <neighborlee> Kamion, as I mentioned its MO...I like debian but its not imposing price wize..try to download mdk and youlll see exactly what I mean
[11:44] <neighborlee> Kamion, try and use the panel applet notifier and you'll again see what I mean
[11:44] <OZ8AAZ> slacker: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/
[11:44] <jmhodges> Capri: yep, thats right
[11:44] <Capri> jmhodges: which deb source have you used?
[11:44] <jmhodges> Capri: oh, one sec
[11:44] <jmhodges> Capri: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[11:45] <tmp> any idea if gtkpbbuttonsd or powerprefs will be available on ppc, its available on debian ppc rep
[11:45] <jmhodges> ok im out
[11:45] <sabdfl> tmp: should be available in universe
[11:46] <Capri> ok. I have it. It is linked from stable main
[11:46] <tmp> sabdfl: no m8, i have universe in sources.list but its not there 
[11:47] <sabdfl> hmmm... i'll check on something
[11:47] <sabdfl> are they in debian contrib or non-free?
[11:47] <tmp> sabdfl: i checked the ububtu pool dir and they have a tgz file but no deb
[11:48] <sabdfl> tmp: must have failed to build, and we haven't been kicking them unless someone asks.... you just asked :-)
[11:48] <tmp> sabdfl: honestly m8, i've got no clue right now, lemme check
[11:48] <tmp> sabdfl: thx m8 
[11:49] <topyli> why did enabling the framebuffer freeze the whole machine at work? it does have a very questionable ati video card though.
[11:49] <topyli> upgrading to unstable and then back to ubuntu did help then.
[11:51] <neighborlee> outside of NOT slamming ubuntu AT ALL here..what are the 'unstable' elements that could cause system problems and what might be things to watch out for to avoid them ? ;-)
[11:51] <jmhodges> wow, damn you guys are good
[11:51] <jmhodges> huge updates like everyday
[11:52] <topyli> neighborlee: i'm talking about debian unstable
[11:52] <Kamion> neighborlee: any release-critical bugs, for a start
[11:52] <Kamion> we import all >= serious bugs from Debian into our bugzilla so that we can track them, and sometimes we fix them ahead of Debian
[11:53] <Kamion> (and send back the fix)
[11:53] <topyli> Kamion: you can install ubuntu right now, no worries
[11:53] <Kamion> topyli: hmm?
[11:53] <neighborlee> Kamion, where is this list please
[11:53] <tmp> sabdfl: powerprefs is gpl and is only in testing, experi and sid. i dont think its in contrib
[11:53] <Kamion> neighborlee: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[11:54] <Kamion> neighborlee: or indeed http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/
[11:54] <topyli> Kamion: see the bugzilla of any distro :)
[11:54] <Kamion> topyli: sorry, just confused by "you can install ubuntu right now, no worries"
[11:55] <topyli> yes
[11:55] <neighborlee> Kamion, ahh now that more like it ;-0..thx <
[11:55] <topyli> :D
[11:55] <neighborlee> topyli, yes..what do you mean 'install, no worries' ?
[11:55] <topyli> just don't fuck around with any obscure hardware stuff :)
[11:55] <Kamion> I mean, I know it's true, but I install it every day for testing :)
[11:56] <neighborlee> ;-)
[11:56] <neighborlee> I made share it was flavored though...np
[11:56] <neighborlee> sure
[11:56] <neighborlee> strawberry
[11:57] <topyli> heh
[11:57] <neighborlee> Kamion, everyday???
[11:57] <neighborlee> Kamion, talking about QT :-)))
[11:57] <topyli> anyway, ubuntu is good enough for installing, at least for those who don't want to figure out GNOME 2.8 for unstable
[11:57] <Kamion> neighborlee: really confused now :-)
[11:57] <neighborlee> topyli, most defintely ;-))
[11:58] <Kamion> what about Qt?
[11:58] <neighborlee> Kamion, or QA
[11:58] <topyli> qt generally sucks, i just need it for lyx :(
[11:58] <Kamion> I generally do at least two or three installs a working day, yes
[11:58] <neighborlee> topyli, I wont deal with qt if I dont have to...gnome/gtk rocks
[11:59] <Kosai> Evenin'.
[11:59] <neighborlee> evenin
[11:59] <topyli> Kamion: perhaps you'll have a mandrake 10.1 report soon :)
[11:59] <Kosai> Kamion: Any idea what happened to the TV?  It is making a burning smell.  :)