=== spiv [~andrew@fuchsia.puzzling.org] has joined #launchpad === lalo [~lalo@200.96.105.209] has joined #launchpad === stub [~stub@dsl-246.248.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #launchpad === lal1 [~lalo@200.203.19.41] has joined #launchpad === lal1 is now known as lalo === lalo [~lalo@200.96.125.71] has joined #launchpad === kiko [~kiko@200-206-134-238.async.com.br] has joined #launchpad === stub [~stub@dsl-246.248.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #launchpad === lalo [~lalo@200.96.125.71] has joined #launchpad === lalo [~lalo@200.96.125.71] has joined #launchpad === stu1 [~stub@dsl-246.248.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #launchpad === mdz [~mdz@69-167-148-207.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #launchpad === stub [~stub@dsl-246.248.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #launchpad === mdz [~mdz@69-167-148-207.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #launchpad === sabdfl [~mark@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #launchpad === lalo [~lalo@200.96.125.71] has joined #launchpad === lulu [~lu@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #launchpad [11:27] hahahahahahaha... I think I broke my gentoo in a way that's going to be interesting to repair :-P [11:29] you use that word? [11:29] normally I say "disgraceful"! [11:29] interesting is the right word here [11:30] I, hmm, broke my gcc :-P so I can't install another gcc because, you see, I have no gcc... it's kind of like breaking dpkg in debian [11:30] you can get around a broken dpkg with "ar" and "tar"... and equivalently I'm pretty sure there is a way to get out of this situation... just have to think about it for 10 minutes [11:31] how broken, and how did you break it? [11:32] oh, I was trying to downgrade from 3.4 to 3.3; then I found that I had both installed (using slots), and just removed 3.4. But /usr/bin/gcc seemingly was part of the 3.4 package... so I have all the bits and pieces, except the thing that puts them together [11:33] lalo, just copy the gcc-3.4 binary from somewhere else [11:33] that's the plan [11:51] ah [11:51] as I expected, much simpler than that [11:51] just had to edit a config file to point to the right version [11:52] and now to compile directfb :-) [11:52] funny, where is everyone? we have a meeting in a few minutes [11:56] lalo, what timezone are you in?! the meeting is in 1:30h [11:57] 1:30? I thought it was 11:30 [11:57] and rosetta's is 45m earlier, whatever time is the launchpad one [11:58] it *is* at 11:30, which is.. oh. [11:58] well, I'm here (no sleep last night though :) [11:59] ah, you said "in" 1:30, I read "at" 1:30 :-) we're talking the same thing === carlos [~carlos@171.Red-83-32-196.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad [12:07] carlos: good morning [12:07] morning === kiko is now known as kiko-afk [12:39] aren't we ten minutes into a rosetta meeting now? [12:40] SteveA: just what I was thinking. Looks like something happened with daf [12:40] SteveA: in 5 minutes [12:40] morning all [12:41] daf: morning [12:42] what happened? [12:43] the meeting is scheduled for 10:45 [12:44] shall we start? [12:45] ok [12:46] daf: sure [12:46] let's start off by discussing the Alpha release [12:46] then what work we've done since the last meeting [12:47] then what we're going to do for the rest of today [12:47] ok [12:48] I think we're more or less ready for Alpha [12:48] the two things I know I need to do are: [12:49] - disable the advanced search page, since it doesn't work [12:49] - send out the announcement email [12:49] now's the time to list anything else that needs doing [12:50] daf: perhaps improve the message about the plural forms with a mailto: link [12:50] so they know they should send use the information [12:50] so they could translate into that language? [12:50] good idea [12:50] where should they send it to? [12:51] me? the Rosetta Testers list? [12:51] hmmm [12:51] perhaps to the list [12:51] daf: rosetta.ubuntulinux.org goes to the launchpad front page. this has links to soyuz and malone on it. [12:51] so anyone could add it? [12:52] maybe the virtual hosting should be changed so that it goes to the rosetta front page only [12:52] SteveA: good idea [12:52] we can then use the package overrides system to put the special ubuntu front page as the default page for that rosetta [12:52] I think it would be a good idea to hide away Malone andd Soyuz [12:52] so, we can use an override for that [12:53] can you either do that, or explain to one of us how to do it? [12:53] that is, a file in override-includes that redefines the default page for the root object, and for the rosetta front page [12:53] can the link to launchpad be launchpad.ubuntulinux.org, rosetta = rosetta. ubuntulinux.org etc... [12:53] SteveA: so it's a normal ZCML file? [12:53] what do you mean "link to launchpad", lulu ? [12:54] daf: yes, it is a normal zcml file. Its directives override those already in the system. [12:54] so we have the 3 tools in launchpad.ubuntulinux.org instead of rosetta - isolate links [12:54] for the rosetta alpha, we want just rosetta to appear at rosetta.ubuntulinux.org [12:55] yes agreed [12:55] I don't see any reason to have a launchpad.ubuntulinux.org at this time [12:55] fine - but how can I publicly access all 3? [12:56] you can't, because we're releasing only rosetta [12:56] lulu: you can still acccess the development server [12:56] through rosetta.ubuntulinux.org? [12:56] we're talking about a specific "override" for the rosetta.ubuntulinux.org site. This is the site that uses the "alpha" database. [12:56] through rosetta.warthogs.hbd.com [12:56] lulu: no, old url rosetta.warthogs... [12:57] There's still rosetta.warthogs.hbd.com, that has all of launchpad on it [12:57] and does not use the "alpha" database [12:57] this is our "development server" [12:57] and, it will not have any overrides in it [12:57] SteveA: currently when I type in https://rosetta.ubuntulinux.org/ I gte the 3 launchpad tools [12:58] yes, we are discussing that you should not do so, and how to fix it [12:58] lulu: right, and we're going to change that [12:58] daf: cool - that's why I suggested that to be launchpad.ubuntulinux.org.... - no worries [12:59] so we have two extra tasks before the alpa [01:00] - put an email address in the plural form error message [01:00] is the "ubuntu linux package list" page finished? [01:00] - hide/remove Malone and Soyuz from the alpha server [01:01] what about the "ubuntu list of packages" front page? [01:01] SteveA: we don't have a separate page for it [01:01] I thought that was the plan [01:02] right, for the Alpha it was decided that we have a very small number of packages [01:02] SteveA: we have only two packages for the alpha [01:02] from discussions with Mark and from the practical didfficulty of importing many packages [01:03] SteveA: we are going to improve and expand that list before the beta [01:03] ok [01:03] the bug should have been updated with this information [01:04] daf: my fault [01:04] carlos: mine also === carlos adds to the todo list after the meeting [01:04] SteveA: bug #1915 is still marked as depending on #1907 and #1908, which are assigned to you [01:05] SteveA: I don't think they block the release, but it would be nice to have them closed [01:05] ok, noted [01:05] thanks [01:06] another thing: [01:06] I propose for the alpha server, we make the front page of launchpad a redirect to /rosetta. This will serve until the virtual hosting configuration is updated. But, if the virtual hosting stuff can be updated now, there's no need to change the front page. [01:06] because the front page will not be visible === cprov [~cprov@200.158.100.251] has joined #launchpad [01:06] - I shuold apply Carlos' DB changes to the Alpha DB [01:07] (sorry for typos, link is slow) [01:07] daf: not yet, I'm doing more testing today [01:07] carlos: ok [01:07] and they could be added at any time [01:07] later [01:07] carlos: I'd like to do it before the GNOME Panel import [01:07] I'm getting bad numbers today [01:08] and I need to understand why, I will know it after the meeting, my laptop is working now on it [01:08] ok, perhaps I should make a task to test the changes on the development server [01:08] that will be good [01:09] ok [01:09] anything else that needs to be done? [01:09] if not, let's discuss our tasks [01:10] nothing from here [01:10] (we are scheduled to finish in 10 minutes) [01:10] ok [01:10] tasks done since yesterday's meeting? [01:10] lalo: care to go first? [01:11] ok [01:11] I fixed #2022 in the few minutes after the meeting, or was it right before? === carlos is happy to see that the numbers are again good with the indexes (VACUUM ANALYZE is needed) [01:12] then I slept :-) when I woke up, I sanity-checked the fix and committed it [01:12] great [01:12] carlos? [01:12] lalo: I will test it after this meeting to confirm the fix [01:12] carlos: thanks [01:13] daf: I was working on more testing, I have almost finished the report SteveA asked yesterday [01:13] great === kiko-afk is now known as kiko-fud [01:13] daf: and answer your questions to the mailing list about the indexes [01:13] hmm, I think that's all [01:13] ok [01:13] I fixed #2023 last night [01:14] and replaced the placeholder "About Rosetta" text with something useful [01:14] (with input from Lu and Mark on that) [01:15] ok, and very quickly -- what are we going to work on today? [01:16] I will work finishing the report, and will start doing more improvements to the queries [01:16] and use your profile information to try to improve it more [01:16] I will work on completing the Alpha tasks [01:16] carlos: do you need information from me about how I profiled it? [01:16] if no greater priorities arise, I'm going to work on 1944 (the dreaded import/export tests) [01:17] daf: not now, let me read your report and I will be back to you if I see I need it [01:17] carlos: ok [01:17] lalo: that's fine by me [01:17] any other business? [01:18] daf: I suppose I will not have enough time [01:18] do you think 1944 has greater priority than 2021? [01:18] but If I'm able to finish my tasks, I want to start with the scripts we were talking last week [01:18] with steve [01:19] lalo: actually, I think it would be nice to get #2021 fixed first [01:19] ok [01:19] carlos: ok [01:19] I'm happier that way too :-) [01:19] great :) [01:19] right, I declare End Of Meeting [01:19] thanks, it was a good one [01:20] even if we ran a little over [01:20] :-) === daf goes to grab breakfast before the Launchpad meeting [01:21] me too [01:22] Someone ping me for the meeting - I havn't got an alarm on this thing yet [01:22] can you get to http://rince.africaninspace.com/mailman/listinfo/activity ? [01:24] me2 [01:27] No, but my network has been shitting me all night [01:29] it's okay, mark screwed up a server upgrade. mail archives are off until it is sorted out. [01:30] it is 14:30 [01:30] stub, kiko-fud: time for the meeting! [01:30] do you know where your children are? === kiko-fud is now known as kiko [01:30] or even what timezone they're in === debonzi [~debonzi@200.158.100.251] has joined #launchpad [01:30] behold the great debonzi has entered the room [01:31] kiko, lol [01:31] soyuz is here [01:31] Yo [01:32] kiko, debonzi, spiv, cprov: all here? [01:32] [x] yes [01:32] And Malone, on his lonesome :-) [01:32] [x] yes [01:32] stub, justdave: ? [01:32] Yep. [01:32] we're starting a little early for justdave's timezone [01:33] I'll catch up with him later [01:33] he pulled an all-nighter afaik [01:33] just like me [01:33] I'm here [01:33] oh, hi! [01:33] daf, carlos, lalo? [01:33] SteveA: I'm here === lalo is here [01:34] limi will be traveling back to Norway from Vienna today [01:34] daf is in the middle of breakfast; he'll be here very shortly. [01:34] lulu: ? === daf returns [01:34] let's start [01:34] soyuz [01:35] What's happened since last week? [01:35] yes [01:35] we've filed half a million bugs [01:35] fixed about half of them [01:35] kiko: aha [01:35] pestered people on the mailing list about the tough issues [01:35] SteveA: her :o) [01:35] had rosetta and malone integration meetings [01:35] here! [01:35] did QA and polished the UI of bits missing [01:36] I'll be looking at the bugs you mailed me about during today [01:36] started sorting out the pickles that we got some traction on [01:36] how did the integration meetings go? [01:36] which are the person identifying issue and some bits of package info that were missing [01:37] what is the decision on the person identifying issue? [01:37] the integration meetings went well, stub was killer and let us file bugs on portlets that we need [01:37] stub is the man to answer that I suspect :) [01:37] I'm just easy [01:38] we add a shortname/nick whatever to the database [01:38] stub and soyuz agree on that, I can't remember if we are waiting for approval of the gods before hitting the database [01:38] do you stub? [01:38] Outcome of the Malone/Soyuz integration meeting was I make the relevant portlets in Malone and stick them into the relevant Soyuz pages. Three seperate portlets are needed. [01:39] I think the nickname thing may have an implication on the plone websites / xml-rpc authserver [01:39] Yes - I think we need a Person.name - unique, lowercase [01:39] ok, so we integrate between launchpad applications at the portlet level. [01:39] malone makes portlets available to soyuz [01:39] SteveA, at least between malone and soyuz. [01:40] SteveA, we don't know about rosetta well because the issues are a bit different [01:40] SteveA: We don't have to use it for auth if we don't want to. That is a different use case for the same info [01:40] stub, is there an eta for the portlets [01:40] stub, yes, exactly what I was going to say [01:40] Two days ago [01:40] stub: sure, we don't need to use it for auth. but, is it an essential field? will it need to be requested when people sign up with the ubuntu site? [01:41] SteveA, IMO it is essential and it is silly to skimper around this issue [01:41] SteveA, nobody wants to traverse on email or a number [01:41] SteveA: We can generate one if we want to avoid that and we don't want to ask the question [01:41] so this is really the only solution. we can suggest one if we like [01:42] so kiko@async.com.br -> kiko for nick [01:42] ok, so we can keep the plone stuff and xml-rpc stuff that is now deployed the same [01:42] kiko1 if kiko is taken already? [01:42] I agree on automatic (safety) generation of a unique name [01:42] I have code lying around somewhere that can safely generate unique names from an email address. [01:42] or kiko_async or kiko_x or some options but yes [01:43] SteveA: whatever :) [01:43] we need to decide on this before we make the change that we depend on this nick. [01:43] let's not decide now, though [01:43] Oh... sorry. It is givenname/surname/email so isn't appropriate [01:43] SteveA: Authentication - we're having problems with email from Zope/Plone [01:44] but, someone must take responsibility for the issue [01:44] any volunteers? [01:44] lulu: we'll talk about the website/launchpad stuff in a bit [01:44] I'll add the field to the table :-) [01:44] SteveA, well, if it's just adding a field, it's stub [01:44] SteveA, I have no idea where users are created or authenticated in this launchpad creature. [01:44] does anyone? [01:45] that's ok. but if it is adding a field and a constraint, then we need to decide how we are coming up with these nicknames [01:45] the launchpad does not register users at present [01:45] we can just add the constraint later, can't we? [01:45] The adduser script needs to do the username address validation though (and I don't know this either). [01:46] stub: will you take on getting the nickname stuff sorted out thoroughly? [01:46] kiko: we have a script to create the users at rosetta/scripts/createuser.py [01:46] (hmm, maybe it should be someone who will be at the soyuz sprint) [01:46] kiko: It would be painful doing that. [01:47] what I'm looking for is a library function to create suitable nicks, if none is given [01:47] oh. [01:47] someone needs to decide on the policy for this, as in how it works, and then write it [01:47] we'll all use the same function [01:48] I suspect mark will want to have input on this? [01:48] also, who will check with mark that he is okay with the nickname thing? [01:48] SteveA: It is a simple algorithm - take the bit before '@' from the email, remove any ugly characters, and add a number on the end until there are no conficts when you insert. [01:48] I think a message to the launchpad list would be good [01:48] I can do that and pester sabdfl on irc [01:49] I don't know that this is *urgent*. so, a mail to the list should be sufficient. [01:49] thanks kiko [01:49] I think that wraps up nicknames, for now [01:49] yes [01:50] do you think we should have another soyuz walkthrough this week, before the sprint? [01:50] maybe tomorrow? [01:50] nah, not really. [01:50] we travel saturday. [01:50] ok [01:50] so, we can have one at the start of the sprint [01:50] in person [01:50] yes, that would be perfect. [01:50] I think that's a better idea. [01:51] ok. are all travel arrangements to the sprint okay? [01:51] [x] soyuz [01:51] any other issues? [01:52] uhm, let me try and recall [01:52] cprov, is there anything open? [01:52] I still need to get you a zodb [01:52] yes, that's bugged on you IIRC [01:53] it is at the top of my list [01:53] kiko: yep the complicated issues on person/team add action ...but I preffer to talk on sprint, I think [01:53] okay. [01:53] ok, let's move on to the plone<-->launchpad sites [01:53] debonzi, cprov, packaging issues perhaps? === SteveA waits a little longs [01:53] longer [01:53] I'll commit some changes today and would apreciatte SteveA and Spiv revision on that, ok ? [01:54] cprov: send an email? [01:54] okay, cool. [01:54] cprov: sure; email or poke me on irc. [01:54] SteveA: of course [01:54] ok [01:54] ok, let's move on to the plone<-->launchpad integration [01:55] lulu: you said there is an email problem [01:55] spiv: I think I need a private help after meeting (10 min, again) ? [01:55] cprov: Sure. [01:55] yes - Roche is not getting plone emails [01:55] spiv: great [01:55] what do you mean by "plone mails" ? [01:55] mails sent out from plone? [01:55] okay, I'm on standby then [01:55] yes - once a user is registered, he is not getting the email [01:56] saying welcome - but I did. [01:56] elmo says Gentoo is set up fine [01:56] you got one to you @canonical.com address? [01:56] it is conceivable that mail to @canonical.com addresses works while other addresses do not. [01:57] yes.... [01:57] do you know how the mail service on plone is configured? [01:57] spiv: if we have finished here, please join #soyuz. kiko you are suposed to be there too [01:57] that is, which machine it uses to send email? [01:57] ok, let's talk about this in detail after the meeting [01:58] have asked elmo to join in [01:58] is there anything else amiss with the launchpad<-->plone site? [01:58] cprov, I am [01:58] ? [01:58] Roche couldn't test last night as a result [01:59] ok, we'll get this diagnosed properly after this meeting. anything else we need to do on the plone sites? [01:59] so we have to do extensive testing today to get it up [01:59] permissions are not great - but the plone workflow limits what we can do [02:00] i need Limi to do some work [02:00] otherwise - after testing we can assess what still needs to be done [02:00] ok. [02:00] can we move on to malone? [02:01] stub: anything new with malone since the last meeting? [02:01] I'm now on a new machine and started belting Malone back into shape after the changes made when I was away (schema changes and auth system). [02:01] you know that andrew v. won't be working on it? [02:01] I now need to know about the auth stuff since the next lot of exceptions to fix are all Unauthorized errors [02:02] Yes - Andrew emailed me when I was in Japan [02:02] ok, why don't you and I talk about auth stuff tomorrow morning my time? [02:02] hmm? is andrew no longer contracting with us? [02:02] elmo: yes [02:02] Your at UTC+4? Sure. === ddaa [~david@nemesis.xlii.org] has joined #launchpad [02:03] UTC+3 [02:03] elmo: Possibly short gigs. He is in the unfortunate position of having a new child and work coming out of his ears :-) [02:04] I can manage 6am UTC onwards [02:04] SteveA: Ok. I'll look out for you online. [02:04] ok [02:04] anything else other than auth? [02:05] I don't think so [02:06] Oh - anyone got an intelligent 'select a sourcepackage' widget written yet? [02:06] let's talk tomorrow also about moving malone along the route to using it for bugtracking launchpad and then the warty team [02:06] Something like the typeahead textbox in Bugzilla [02:06] stub, no, nothing like that at all. [02:07] stub, we want a package browser (with sections) but so far nothing. [02:07] file a bug on limi [02:07] And sabdfl is happy with the assignee stuff I mentioned back in London, and the schema mods are in. === stub is done [02:08] so, when will assignee be working? [02:09] The screen I have to update to do it (assignee is mandatory - it will default to the package/product owner) is one of the ones raising an Unauthorized error :-) [02:09] ok, let's do that tomorrow [02:09] next, rosetta [02:10] I want to have the malone basic functionality and the soyuz portlets done by my Monday. [02:10] great. [02:10] stub, that would fit in nicely with the beginning of our sprint [02:10] do you have bugs in bugzilla for "malone basic functionality" ? [02:11] (although the soyuz portlets might get reprioritized since they are not essential) [02:11] have you a clear idea on how the portlets will work with soyuz? [02:11] SteveA: The use cases on the wiki - nothing formal in Bugzilla [02:11] we can talk about portlets tomorrow too [02:12] rosetta [02:12] daf: progress of rosetta [02:12] SteveA: Yes. I'm doing something similar in Malone already. The major problem is generating URLS - I don't want to use absolute URL's since it will screw up virtual malones down the road, so they are context sensitive. [02:13] since the last meeting, we've mostly been working on improving the importer [02:13] stub: we should make absolute url work with virtual malones [02:13] we found some problems with it in the run up to the Alpha release [02:13] (erm... I mean they can only be used on a single screen - not any page you feel like) [02:13] we've fixed several bugs in it since then [02:13] stub: but, I also talked with people about this at the sprint [02:13] daf: what bugs remain before getting the alpha used by people? [02:14] SteveA: Yes - we need IAbsoluteURL functioning to do that [02:14] SteveA: in terms of bugs against Rosetta itself, none [02:14] in terms of issues blocking rosetta alpha [02:15] in terms of issues [02:15] #2025 -- add option to user creation script to email the new user with account details [02:16] we also need to make some changes to hide Soyuz and Malone on the Alpha Launchpad instance [02:16] that's mainly a virtual hosting change. can you mail elmo about it? [02:16] I can [02:16] ok [02:17] but I think we can work around it if the virtual host is not changed [02:17] who is doing the addition to the user creation script, and when? [02:17] I'm working on that now [02:17] when will it be done? [02:17] I'm estimating about 20 minutes of work [02:18] ok === daf marks 2025 as assigned to him [02:18] anything else on rosetta? [02:18] I know there's been some work on profiling the database to add indexes [02:18] there's a minor change outstanding to one page [02:18] right [02:19] what's the minor change? [02:19] daf: I could do it now, so we speed up the launch [02:19] adding an email address to an error message [02:19] ok [02:19] carlos: you're going to do that? [02:19] daf: yes [02:19] carlos: thanks [02:19]