KamionKosai: hmmmmm12:00
neighborleespeaking of which I need to get a svideo cable so I can start watching tv here <G>12:00
topyliKosai: when the smoke is gone, check all the connections once more12:00
topylineighborlee: lyx qt is better than the xforms one though, and i really like lyx. there's also the k3b problem that makes us install 10000000000 M of qt and kde libraries12:01
topylisay nothing, i can already hear it: just use cdrecord12:02
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neighborleetopyli, heh12:04
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Kamiontopyli: the TV in question is > 20 years old, it's possible some part has just gone12:04
jmhodgeshehe, from updating to PR firefox without restarting the browser: http://somethingsimilar.com/images/firefoxwhoops.png12:04
neighborleetopyli, I do tend to use cdrecord at command line frankly LOL12:04
FX|Laptopgrrrr still having trouble with my wireless. There no forum yet is there?12:04
topyliwell, tv's just go at some time :(12:05
neighborleetopyli, that way I know i'm getting a bootable CD ;-)..although I should grab elcipit again soon if its still around..nice UI12:05
topyliwell, it's all just machinery -- the software, the hardware -- fsck it. it's your data that counts12:06
neighborleeheh yes12:08
neighborleeoops I meant: eclipit12:08
neighborleealthough yeah k3b sure is sweet minus is one dependency LOL12:08
neighborleewell darn this kidna bites..so i'm kinda outta luck if I want to get the netbeans IDE which comes with j2re ?..just wondering cause as I say the symlinking didn't work ;((12:10
neighborleenm ill get ide separately12:10
neighborleeodd though as the symlink usually works12:10
Deftwhat symlinking?12:10
neighborleeDeft, for java12:11
Deftthe plugin?12:11
neighborleeDeft, ln -s /usr/java/blah/blah .12:11
Deftcheck you have permission to actually access it; run 'file /usr/lib/moz....so'12:12
topylineighborlee: are you using the debian package or did you install the sun package?12:12
neighborleeDeft, yes I have permissin12:12
neighborleetopyli, sun package..then I did the symlink as noted on debians how-to site12:13
neighborleetopyli, well its not just a debian howto..it applies to most all distros12:13
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Deftsure? that's the only issue I had with it12:13
neighborleeDeft, positive12:13
mwh_Hi, I just installed ubuntu on my workstation, unfortunately when gdm starts the display is just black :(12:14
topylineighborlee: that's how i do it on anything other than debian. but on debian you should install the debian package that makes everything right, instantly :)12:14
mwh_I have to gfx-cards maybe thats the problem12:14
neighborleetopyli, yup its installing12:14
mwh_anyone here who has more than one monitor running with ubuntu?12:14
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neighborleetopyli, guess i'm too used to manually doing it LOL..hahah12:15
topyli"debian is hard to install and use" :)12:15
neighborleetopyli, well unless you use one of the flavors of debian that comes preinstalled with most of the plugins...12:15
neighborleetopyli, heh12:16
topyliah, the commercial suckers :)12:16
neighborleetopyli, which typically is why i've avoided it but thanks to these new distros thats no longer such an issue lol12:16
topyliheh, ubuntu does actually seem to be very cool, very free. also, provides support for almost-unstable, which saves me from actually running unstable! what more can you ask?12:18
Ycroscoffee would be nice right about now :E12:19
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neighborleetopyli, not much thats for sure heh12:19
neighborleetopyli, okay this apt java installer thing isn't allowing me past : (END) ??12:20
neighborleeits asking me to read the copyright stuff but i'm not getting a yes/no at end for some reason is what I mean12:20
topyliheh. it's just 'less'. press space :)12:21
neighborleetried that12:21
neighborleeno go12:21
neighborleeI just  hear a beap sound ;-)12:21
topylihmmm. that's a new beep to me :(12:22
neighborleeohhhhhhhh LOL12:22
neighborleeI had to 'esc:q' LOL!!!12:22
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neighborleethat aint how its suppose to work but ooooooookay ;-))<wink>12:23
topyliyou have vi as the $PAGER ?12:23
topylifile a bug in ubuntu :)12:24
neighborleei've not changed anything faik regarding that option12:24
neighborleenp I'm willing to do that if its really a bug and not user LOL12:24
neighborleeI helped squash one bug already ;-)heh12:25
neighborleea 'minor' one but hey!!12:25
topyliit's a sin. except rms says using vi is not a sin but a penance :)12:25
neighborleetopyli, lollllll12:25
neighborleetopyli, well..I prefer nano I think frankly..somehow I got used to vi..man I gotta break this cycle ..lmao12:26
Cardadoris anybody tried to ssh to an ubuntu machine?12:26
KamionCardador: install openssh-server12:26
Cardadordamn :)12:26
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topyliCardador: i do it all the time :)12:26
neighborleeintero, hi12:27
topyliCardador: yeah, they broke it in two.12:27
CardadorKamion: i wanted to acess the pc that is on my workplace12:27
interohi neighborlee 12:27
Cardadornow i guess ill do it tomorrow morning :)12:27
topyliCardador: sorry, but i think it's a good decision to break it into user-space and the server.12:28
Cardadortopyli: i didnt say it wasnt :P i just needed to acess a file. any sugestion?12:29
topylicrack it. and then file a bug :)12:29
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Cardadoreheh 12:29
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diemani guess im starting to like hotplug, mostly because someone is maintaing its hw info well12:29
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mwh_got it working nice12:30
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keiferanyone manage to get flux installed?12:31
neighborleekeifer, use gnome sorry..but flux is nice yeah12:33
holgerhi, i have overwritten my bootloader for to other partitions. Where can i find the grub.conf or whatever?12:33
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holgerI still have the old fedora grub.conf. 12:38
topyliCardador: when you install ssh on debian, it asks you if you want to run the server or not. i think ubuntu installs just the user part on purpose... 12:38
crimsuncorrect. you have to ``sudo apt-get install openssh-server'' if you want sshd12:41
Kamiontopyli: the Ubuntu configuration is just what's in Debian experimental, really; I co-maintain openssh in Debian and am coordinating the two12:41
holgeris it menu.lst?12:42
topyliKamion: this is good policy -- in debian and elsewhere, imo12:42
Kamionholger: yes12:42
holgerok, thanks12:42
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kokecan't get qemu working in ppc :(12:52
kokeqemu: could not load PPC bios 'ppc_rom.bin' (524288)12:53
koke-rw-r--r--    1 koke     koke       524288 2004-09-23 00:49 ppc_rom.bin12:53
Mitarionite all12:55
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WWHey, I just updated the wiki with instructions for playing DVDs: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions12:58
WWCould a few experts make sure it looks reasonably correct?12:59
trukuloWW: wouldn't be better making it in shell with apt-get ?01:00
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Hrdwr_BoBneed to add a note: these archives are not affiliated with ubuntu and make infringe laws in certain countries01:01
WWtrukulo: That depends on what type of user is reading the instrutions.01:01
Cardadortrukulo: the people that do it in a shell dont need help01:01
WWWhat Cardador said :)01:01
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trukuloCardador: that's right01:01
arachneis there a doc translation project ?01:01
trukuloWW: that looks good for me01:02
WWtrukulo: You could also add a second set of instructions based on the command line... go for it.01:02
trukuloWW: 1.00 am here, time to sleep, not to write in wiki :)01:02
trukulotomorrow i've to work hard01:02
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Hrdwr_BoBoh piffle :p01:02
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trukulopop3 to imap migration in a network :P01:03
WWHrdwr_Bob: Yeah, I realize that even though it is one of the most frequently asked questions here, having instructions in the wiki might cause legal problems.  If the ubuntu folks take it out for legal reasons, well, so be it.01:05
Hrdwr_BoBjust put the note in01:05
chutwighello friends01:05
Hrdwr_BoBjust so people know :)01:06
Hrdwr_BoBno-one will read it anyway :)01:06
trukulowe need java and flash howto's01:07
trukuloi've got java howto in my web, but in spanish01:07
housetierthere are debian specific java howtos01:09
trukulomine is valid for sarge, sid and ubuntu01:09
housetierthat's what I have been using01:10
trukuloi prefer to make by hand01:11
trukulobecause i can use latest jre avalaible01:11
Cardadori have a problem. when i try to eject my cds, i have to unmount them first. is it a feature or a bug?01:11
trukuloa feature01:12
trukulobecause if you press eject button without wanting... what happens if it's copying files?01:12
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Cardadorit should be smt like "are you sure you want to eject the cd?" :)01:12
trukuloat terminal? at X ?01:13
trukuloimagine you have no monitor01:13
WWHrdwr_BoB: Done.01:13
trukuloi've got a lot of machines without monitor01:13
chutwigis anyone else having problems trying to connect to the repositories?01:13
chutwigwait, there it goes01:14
Cardadorok trukulo, no problem for me with that, but i guess that for a windows newcomer it will be difficult to figure out how to get the cd out of the drive01:14
trukuloCardador: could be, yes01:15
trukulobut it's more secure01:15
trukuloi prefer security than make life easier for windows users01:15
chutwigit won't unmount the disc unless it's not in use01:15
chutwigyou can't eject it whenever you want anyway01:16
Cardadorbut then about 95% of all computer users are windows users :)01:16
trukuloCardador: and what?01:16
chutwigthe first time it wouldn't automatically unmount for me, but then it started working on subsequent tries01:16
trukulowe have to make system less secure for that?01:16
chutwigum, what01:16
Cardadorso it is likelly that a lot of people that starts using ubuntu are coming from windows01:16
Se7hwhere is flash ?01:16
chutwigthis is ejecting a CD01:16
Cardadornot less secure, but maybe making it easier to figure out01:17
trukulochutwig: if you have a CD in a server, and people want to put one in the drive01:17
Cardadora panel applet with a cd should do it01:17
trukulowhat would happen if you are using one?01:17
Kamionthis isn't about security01:17
chutwigthis is a "security" issue?01:17
trukuloi think it's security01:18
Kamionif somebody else has physical access to your secure server, you lose. end of story.01:18
trukuloKamion: imagine there are two sysadmins for a server01:18
Kamiontrukulo: it is not about security, really01:18
CardadorSe7h: http://penguin.dq.fct.unl.pt/~crlf/linux/net/01:18
chutwigimagine a series of increasingly irrelevant and pointless situations01:18
trukuloi see a security01:18
Kamionwe don't01:18
KamionCardador: right-click then eject should unmount the CD first01:19
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chutwigif it lets people exploit the system in some way, it's a security issue01:19
Kamion(for you)01:19
CardadorKamion: i know that01:19
KamionCardador: if that doesn't happen, please file a bug01:19
Cardadorbut i have to go to computer, then disks, then right click, then eject01:19
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KamionCardador: the fact that the eject button doesn't work is enforced by the kernel, to avoid data corruption01:19
trukulofor me is more secure if a cd is being used, that it can't be ejected01:19
mojoFireFOX1 is avail for download01:20
chutwigtrukulo: enough about the CD crap already01:20
mojotoo cool01:20
KamionCardador: ah, in the daily CD builds an icon pops up on your desktop for the CD01:20
trukulowell , is more secure if there isn't file corruption01:20
chutwignobody cares01:20
CardadorKamion: ok01:20
KamionCardador: that should help out the new users, we think; it's kind of a stopgap measure, and we'd like to do something better for the next release01:21
KamionCardador: there was a fair amount of talk at the technical board meeting about it :)01:21
CardadorKamion: what about a panel applet?01:21
Cardadorthat would be even bette :)01:21
trukuloKamion: what about supermount?01:21
KamionCardador: that's probably what we'll do for the next release01:21
KamionCardador: but it wasn't written/tested/debugged in time01:21
KamionCardador: time-based releases, feel the love :-)01:22
Cardadorok, so keep up the good work ;)01:22
Kamionmojo: that seems to be 1.0PR1?01:22
Kamionmojo: that just went into warty01:22
Kamion(source, anyway, not sure if it's built yet)01:23
Kamionah, yes, it's built01:23
trukuloKamion: what about patching kernel with supermount?01:23
chutwiggnome does not seem to be in any particular mood to start up after this last upgrade set01:25
ishubuntu is my first experience running gnome regularly.. my laptop is always running hot, is that common?01:26
Hrdwr_BoBish: hm.. it shouldn't01:26
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Hrdwr_BoBperhaps speed step isn't working properly?01:26
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trukuloish: do you have acpi enabled ?01:26
lynreesWhere does my local mail get dilivered to?01:27
lynreesdelivered even!01:27
trukuloto your local account01:27
trukuloyou can configure evolution to see it01:27
lynreesOk! Where is that, it's not at /var/mail/username01:27
trukulolook for local accounts in evolution and use your user/pw01:28
ishtrukulo: had to go back to apm.. laptop locked solid when I did such things as pull the power plug, or even when the fan kicked.01:28
ishits running cooler with apm, but still hot..01:28
ishif I run fvwm it seems to run cooler.01:29
trukuloish: try booting with append : nolapic 01:29
Cardadorlynrees: try at ~/.evolution/mail01:29
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lynreesCardador: Doesn't seem to work01:32
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lynreesBy the way, ubuntu looks pretty good in Welsh!01:34
ishtruk-zzz: nolapic or noapic?01:34
lynreesWell gnome does anyway.01:34
chutwigAPIC is something very different from ACPI01:34
diemanim impressed, vnc works from my gnome desktop at work on ubuntu to my gprs connection01:35
diemanbut its *slow*01:35
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__randy__Does anyone know how to turn on Java support in Open Office01:36
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FX|LaptopHello again. :)01:46
FX|LaptopWhat would I need to watch dvd movies?01:47
FX|LaptopI got libdvdcss2. But it hangs when trying to start the movie.01:47
HcEis totem available?01:47
Slackeerbyou guys added firefox 1.0! I love you guys. =)01:48
FX|LaptopI came with the install01:48
FX|LaptopTotem that is.01:48
phlaegelFX|Laptop: you probably want to switch to totem-xine01:48
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_Hiro_or ogle, ogle is nice for dvds01:49
FX|Laptopumm, how would I go about that?01:49
_Hiro_apt-get install totem-xine  or use synaptic 01:49
eaxnt1.0 ?01:49
eaxntI didnt even know 1.0 was out01:50
eaxnthave 9.3 01:50
phlaegelit isn't. it's a preview release01:50
_Hiro_FX|Laptop Computer >> System Configuration >> Synaptic Package Manager01:50
FX|LaptopI don't mind the cli. :)01:51
eaxntalls you need01:51
eaxntis mplayer01:51
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WWeaxnt: I tried mplayer, but it didn't play full screen.01:52
eaxntFX|Laptop: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html01:52
arachnewill ubuntu officially support mplayer ?01:52
eaxntWW: thats because you're slow .. press F and it goes to full screen01:52
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phlaegelarachne: doubtful, it has legal issues01:52
eaxntyeah , codecs use reverse engineered stuff01:52
arachneha ok01:53
arachneit's legal here01:53
FX|Laptopthanks the totem-xine worked. Now if I could get wireless working. :)01:54
eaxntFX|Laptop: download 1.0PRE5 .. and under codecs below , 'essentail' you can get others if you want01:54
jeedeeThere's a bug report about Lilo in bugzilla, is there any way to install lilo from ubuntu?01:54
eaxntjeedee: grub is betta01:54
eaxntFX|Laptop: whats wrong with wireless01:54
eaxntFX|Laptop: is your card supported , if so .. do you have the modules loaded "lsmod" if you dont see it , you need to modprobe <driver_name>01:55
jeedeeI know that's why my computer wont start after I install ubuntu, grub hangs01:55
FX|LaptopWell I have a signal on the signal monitor, but can't get to lan or net.01:55
arachnedo you expect the web site to be translated soon ?01:55
FX|LaptopThe install noticed my Athreos card from what I seen.01:55
eaxntjeedee: it hangs because you didnt install it right , or you have something screwed up with your drive configuration , grub is stable and works01:55
eaxntFX|Laptop: 'ifconfig'01:56
jeedeeTell me something I dont know :P I just need to find a way to make it work but it does not output anything, it just hangs at Loading Stage ...01:56
jeedeeLilo, grub, I don't care as long as it works01:56
eaxntjeedee: make sure it wrote itself to the MBR , and not the root sector of the drive 01:56
Se7hwhat's the path to mozilla ?01:56
jeedeeIt did01:56
eaxntSe7h: installing flash ?01:56
jeedeeI just need to find a way to install Lilo to test01:56
eaxntSe7h: its /usr/lib/mozilla(1.6)01:57
Se7hu sure?01:57
eaxntor /usr/lib/mozilla-1.601:57
FX|Laptophmm It shows up (ath0) and eth0 show up.01:58
eaxntit will tell if its not the right 01:58
eaxntFX|Laptop: ifconfig eth0 up , ifconfig ath0 up01:58
Se7hWARNING: Please enter a valid installation path.01:58
eaxntSe7h: mozilla under ubuntu is under /usr/lib/mozilla , are you using firefox ?01:58
WWexant: Just to be sure, I tried it again.  "Full screen" in mplayer doesn't actually use the full screen.  It plays in a small rectangle in the middle of teh screen.  totem-xine shows a bigger display.01:59
eaxntits /usr/lib/mozilla or /usr/lib/mozilla-1.601:59
Hrdwr_BoBWW: mplayer -vo xv01:59
eaxntSe7h: if its firefox .. 'whereis firefox'01:59
Hrdwr_BoBWW: marillat is a cracksmoker and put x11 as the default01:59
Hrdwr_BoBsudo vi /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf02:00
FX|Laptophmm still doesn't work.02:00
Se7hWARNING: /usr/bin/firefox is not a directory.02:00
eaxntHrdwr_BoB: let him read the flipping manual ..02:00
Hrdwr_BoBshouldn't have to though02:00
eaxntSe7h: I'm not entirely sure where firefox installs itself , try /usr/lib/firefox02:00
Hrdwr_BoBit's the most retarded default02:01
Hrdwr_BoBsurely sdl would make more sense02:01
eaxntHrdwr_BoB: no it wouldnt 0_o02:01
phlaegelyou know, you can put the mplayer config in your home dir, then it survives reinstalls, etc.02:01
Se7hseth@devil ~ $ whereis firefox02:01
Se7hfirefox: /usr/bin/firefox /usr/share/man/man1/firefox.1.gz02:01
eaxntphlaegel: rofl .. yeah02:01
phlaegelHrdwr_BoB: lowest common denominator02:01
Hrdwr_BoBeaxnt: why not? the package depends on SDL in any case, and SDL will check if xv is there and use it02:01
Hrdwr_BoBif not it will use X1102:01
eaxntHrdwr_BoB: they put it to whatever works with most peoples systems ...02:01
Hrdwr_BoBphlaegel: sdl is a dependancy in any case, and will output it in x1102:01
Clintsdl doesn't always work02:02
eaxntno shit02:02
eaxnthes confused02:02
eaxntSe7h: sorry man , I dont know where it goes .. try /usr/lib/firefox , browse /usr/lib and look for firefox's directory , I know mozilla uses /usr/lib .. if not try /usr/local/lib /usr/local/bin , etc02:02
Hrdwr_BoBx11 may 'work' in more cases, but in the vast majority of cases, people will want sdl or xv02:02
WWHrdwr_BoB: mplayer -vo xv didn't work.  It couldn't open .mplayer/codec.conf02:02
eaxntHrdwr_BoB: what does that matter .. its what works most often02:03
Se7hthanks eaxnt02:03
eaxntHrdwr_BoB: if they really wanted to fix it .. they'd write an installer and autoprober , and host if offshore =]  static binary that works with everything 02:03
Hrdwr_BoBeaxnt: who is 'they' in this case02:04
WW... but I'm sure that's a configuration thing that I can deal with when I need it.02:04
Hrdwr_BoBit IS hosted 'offshore'02:04
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Hrdwr_BoBit's not an official part of anything02:05
eaxntHrdwr_BoB: offshore == country that doesnt give a shit , ie. not the USA/some countries in europe/japan/etc02:05
Hrdwr_BoBI know, I said it was02:05
eaxntoh 02:05
eaxntI misread that 02:05
eaxntthey could still make it a binary static installer , compile it for you =] 02:05
Hrdwr_BoBthere's a huge infrastructure called debconf02:06
Hrdwr_BoBwhich is in place specifically for that02:06
Hrdwr_BoBI just think xv is a much more sane default02:06
Hrdwr_BoB(well, sdl)02:06
eaxntits not02:06
eaxntits actually sort of stupid02:06
eaxntwhat works on most peoples boxes == default, sdl/xv isnt the obvious choice02:07
eaxntx11 is02:07
Hrdwr_BoBwhat works on most peoples boxes is xv02:07
Se7hsynaptic is easier02:08
Hrdwr_BoBhow many PCs have you seen recently that don't support xv02:08
eaxntHrdwr_BoB, 02:09
eaxntgoogle for02:09
eaxnt'mplayer , xv'02:09
Hrdwr_BoBa whole lot of messages from 2002 and 200302:10
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FX|Laptopgrrr, stupid wireless.02:10
eaxntHrdwr_BoB: problem with xv , xv problem 02:10
Hrdwr_BoBthree people had a problem02:10
eaxnttop 10 results02:11
Hrdwr_BoBmeanwhile, the 10,000 people who needed it set by default02:11
eaxnt== problems02:11
eaxntjust drop it .. you iz wrong 02:11
FX|Laptopeaxnt, just having trouble with the wireless yet.02:11
Hrdwr_BoBpeople will always have problems.02:12
lamontany autocrap gurus around who want to write a patch that makes gal build on warty?02:13
eaxntFX|Laptop, 02:15
eaxntcan you traceroute/ping any of the boxes on your lan ?02:15
eaxntare you sure there is even ip connectivity02:15
eaxnttell me whats there02:15
eaxntpriv msg02:15
eaxntwireless connecting to a wireless router with DHCP ?02:16
FX|LaptopI'm gonna trying something eaxnt. I'll brb.02:17
eaxntwhats the best burning built on gtk?02:18
eaxntburning/ burning application02:18
jdubnautilus-cd-burner is really easy to use02:19
Hrdwr_BoBunfortunately there's no real killer cd burning app02:19
Hrdwr_BoBwhich is desperately needed02:19
eaxntit does audio cds02:20
eaxntvideo cds02:20
eaxntall that 02:20
jdubjust data02:20
jdubk3b is in universe if you want to try that02:20
eaxntI have that02:20
Hrdwr_BoByou can use gcombust but it's crap02:20
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eaxntI prefer gtk stuff , I dont like k3b spawning kdeinit crap02:20
Hrdwr_BoBwell - it works, but the UI was designed by monkeys02:21
eaxntis anyone working on one , beyond k3b02:21
eaxntIm browsing sf/freshmeat02:22
eaxntjust polling , thought maybe I missed something02:22
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Hrdwr_BoBI don't believe so02:23
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FX|Laptopwelp that didn't work either.02:25
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eaxntFX|Laptop: does the wireless device get an ip from dhcp ?02:27
eaxntFX|Laptop: 'ifconfig'02:27
eaxntlook at 'ath0'02:27
eaxntdoes it have an IP ?02:27
FX|LaptopNo eaxnt it doesn't02:29
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eaxntwell , thats why it wont connect to anything02:30
eaxnt'dhclient' 02:30
eaxntI assume your wireless router supports DHCP , get a dhcp client (dhclient) or (pump) 02:30
eaxntrun one of them02:30
eaxntit should assign it an IP02:30
FX|LaptopWell when I set this up or did the install I should say I had static. How can I change it to dhcp.02:30
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eaxntyou just install dhclient/pump02:31
eaxntand run it02:31
eaxnterr wait02:31
eaxntthats not right02:31
eaxnt'apt-get install pump'02:32
eaxntthen run pump02:32
FX|LaptopSo I can change the static to the dhcp from when I installed?02:32
eaxntdebconf should prompt you for which interface it wants to use02:32
eaxntuse 'ath0'02:32
eaxntyeah , just install 'pump'02:32
eaxnt'apt-get install pump'02:32
eaxntit will prompt you for the interface02:33
eaxntwhich is ath002:33
FX|Laptophmm Ok I'll give it a shot02:33
eaxntit'll work02:33
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FX|Laptopeaxnt, well not sure what pump is suppose to do, but nothing happen when I ran it in a term.02:38
chutwigpump is a dhcp client02:39
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eaxntit GETS an IP for your network interface card 02:39
eaxntvia dhcp02:39
eaxntand , it doesnt do anything when you run it02:39
eaxntit have an IP now ?02:39
FX|Laptopnope. and eth0 is still stuck at the static ip I set up when I install ubuntu.02:40
eaxntpump aht002:40
eaxntpump ath002:40
FX|Laptop~ $ pump ath002:41
FX|Laptoppump: no extra parameters are expecte02:41
eaxntpump --help02:41
eaxntlook for a flag dealing with 'interface'02:41
eaxntthen add the flag with ath0 02:41
punkassif i have a second harddrive (for backup) is it ok to have partition on it  marked bootable02:42
punkasswhen its on the secondary IDE02:42
eaxntyou need to have the drive with MBR marked as bootable I think02:42
eaxntoh , its on a different ide chan02:42
punkasswell they can both be marked as bootable...thats why i was wondering02:43
punkassif the main one fails i want to just be able to swap over the backup02:43
FX|LaptopOk got an ip now.02:44
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jonough, I am so drunk :)02:51
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jonomucho beer drunk :)02:52
jonoI am off to bed02:53
jononight all02:53
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neighborleespell checking isn't working here in oowriter ?..anyone is having troubles with this ? ;-)) ie: version 1.1.203:07
bolivari would say its not working03:10
eaxntoowriter ?03:11
bolivaropen office writer03:11
eaxntinstall aspell ?03:11
punkasswhere is the MBR located on a hard drive...its not the same as the /boot parition is it?03:11
eaxntpunkass: no03:11
eaxntbolivar: open oowriter inside a terminal , and watch if it gives a 'so and so library missing' Im pretty sure its aspell03:12
eaxntinstall that , and try again03:12
bolivaraccording to synaptic its installed03:13
bolivarbut one sec03:13
neighborleeeaxnt,ok thx..checking03:14
neighborleeeaxnt,nope no such missing statements ..03:15
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SlackeerbCan someone help. When ever I try to update apt's source list I get this error "W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems". Its says ebcause of duplicate sources.list entrys.03:19
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Hrdwr_BoBSlackeerb: you probably have duplicate sources.list entries03:19
KamionSlackeerb: do you have two sources.list entries, one 'main restricted' and the other 'main restricted universe', but otherwise identical?03:19
SlackeerbKamion: yes =)03:20
Kamionwe should probably fix up base-config not to look like it recommends that03:20
KamionSlackeerb: ok, change 'main restricted universe' to just 'universe'03:20
SlackeerbKamion: thx! doing so. =)03:20
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Slackeerbahh everything works perfectly now. =)03:21
neighborleeeaxnt, I already have aspell installed actually...03:21
SlackeerbKamion: may I ask how do I make totem play avi files?03:25
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BrittSlackeerb: unless I'm mistaken you need to remove totem-gstreamer and install totem-xine03:26
gRegulatohello hello?03:26
BrittSlackeerb: but I haven't gone through the process yet so I'm not 100% positive :)03:27
SlackeerbBritt: do i need to add anything to apt?03:27
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gRegulatohey, i am having a problem installing ubuntu 4.10 on my ibm thinkpad03:28
gRegulatocan anyone help?03:28
BrittSlackeerb: possibly ... there is one particular multimedia repo ... i think it mentions it in the FAQ03:28
bolivarfeel free to ask gRegulato03:28
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KamionSlackeerb: totem-xine's in universe03:29
gRegulatoThe install is locking up on the "Loading components of the Ubuntu Installer" screen at 81%03:29
SlackeerbKamion: so just apt-get totem-xine?03:29
KamionSlackeerb: you missed 'install' in there, but yeah03:29
gRegulato"Loading module "IDE-Generic"03:30
KamiongRegulato: suggests DMA problems on the CD, maybe03:30
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Slackeerbkamion: lol ya. =) thx03:30
KamiongRegulato: boot with hdc=nodma?03:30
gRegulatoKamion, reburn the iso?03:30
gRegulatoI didnt do any options on the install03:30
theantix_is anyone here having problems with the firefox 1.0PRE that was just put up?  I'm getting segmentation faults with certain javascript pages (in Horde webmail, Gallery)03:31
whiprushhey Slackeerb did you ever get your java thing working?03:32
gRegulatoThe laptop i am trying to install on is old, P200, but it is a thinkpad so i would think all hardware is supported03:33
Slackeerbwhiprush: I reinstalled ubuntu about half an hour ago lol. No java =(03:36
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Slackeerbgood night kamion!03:37
schweebso, I'm wondering how many people have come in here tonight after having upgraded and rebooted having NVIDIA problems, heh03:39
schweebfrigging rivafb.03:39
whiprushSlackeerb: heh, I just did it today03:39
whiprushyou try that debianinnovations thing?03:39
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Slackeerbwhiprush: debianinnovations thing? Inform me. =)03:39
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whiprushtry this03:40
whiprushdeb http://debian.innovationsw.com/debian unstable/i386/03:40
whiprushdeb http://debian.innovationsw.com/debian unstable/all/03:40
whiprushadd those to /etc/apt/sources.list03:40
whiprushsudo apt-get update03:40
whiprushsudo apt-get install j2sdk03:41
Slackeerbwill that install the firefox plugin 2?03:41
whiprushyou just need to symlink it03:41
whiprushwhich I can figure out03:41
whiprushone sec03:41
whiprushln -s /usr/local/lib/jdk/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so03:42
whiprushcrap, that's wrong.03:42
whiprushthat last part is wrong03:42
whiprushI'll figure it out by the time that 40mb dl is done though03:42
schweebor he'll ask me :p03:43
whiprushln -s /usr/lib/j2sdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so03:44
neighborleewhiprush, good luck...I tried that and had no luck03:44
Slackeerbthx I hope it works. =)03:44
whiprushrelaunch firefox, then about:plugins, and you should see java in it's gray screen glory03:44
neighborleewhiprush, I wound up using apt ...worked flawlessly ;-00..03:44
whiprushneighborlee: well, you have to make the plugin symlink by hand still03:45
neighborleethe symlink did not work03:45
neighborleewhiprush, I did indeed03:45
schweebyou're not spoofing useragent, are you?03:46
schweebbecause that fucks java up hardcore03:46
schweebimmediate browser crash03:46
whiprushit works for me03:47
Slackeerbthis is takeing a while to download03:47
whiprushweird though, I had a zombied firefox process though03:47
jdubwhiprush: got some nice stuff going into universe for testing before hoary03:47
Slackeerbwhiprush: with this allow azureus to work 2?03:47
whiprushjdub: oh oh03:47
jdubwhiprush: howl, gamin, polypaudio03:48
whiprushSlackeerb: yep, just get it from upstream, untar it, doubleclick on the azureus icon03:48
whiprushdude, gamin ++03:48
whiprushis this inotify stuff rml been blogging about going to make it?03:48
Slackeerbwhiprush: you rule. =). You should make a litlle how to thingy. =03:48
whiprushSlackeerb: already working on one.03:48
Slackeerbwhiprush: awesome03:49
whiprushmostly sid tricks, like that java one. Hesistant to have people use it in ubuntu though. Might blow up.03:49
whiprushjdub: you did an itp for gamin for debian a while back didn't you?03:50
jduball going up to debian atm too03:51
whiprushhaha, that's one of my favorite bugs ever.03:51
whiprushthe next guy was like "what's wrong with fam?"03:51
jdubinotify relies on the kernel03:51
Slackeerbwhiprush: its done download. Now the moment of true. (did i spell taht right?)03:51
Slackeerbdownloading* my bad03:51
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jdubin the future, there may be gamin-inotify and gamin-dnotify or something, unless DV makes it check at runtime03:52
Slackeerbhah ya damn public schools truth*03:52
whiprush$ java -version03:52
jsubl2does gamin replace fam03:52
whiprushyou should see 1.4.2-b2803:52
jdubjsubl2: yes03:52
whiprushjsubl2: yeah03:52
whiprushjdub: good to see howl go in too.03:55
Slackeerbwhiprush: once again you rule. Everything works PERFECTLY. Now may I ask how I was quick time streams?03:55
whiprushok, I totally don't understand what you just asked.03:56
whiprushcan you rephrase the question?03:56
Slackeerbwhiprush: I want to be able to watching streaming media online.03:57
Chriffergrab mplayer and mozilla-mplayer off somewhere03:58
Chrifferand w32codecs03:58
Chrifferor gxine and you can use that as a browser plugin03:58
Slackeerbill grab gxine03:59
Chriffergxine throws a plugin into /usr/lib/gxine/ you can just ln -s it to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins03:59
SlackeerbChiffer: thx04:00
SlackeerbChiffer I did what you said and when i go to apple .com i see "click here to install plugin"04:02
Slackeerbn/m im slow04:05
wm_eddieanybody know if they put alsaconf back into alsa-utils yet?04:05
jdubalsaconf is disabled, i believe04:05
jdubmdz: right?04:05
wm_eddieyeah, I heard.04:05
mdzgone bye-bye04:05
wm_eddiebut my laptop needs it :(04:06
mdzfor what?04:06
wm_eddieto configure my isa sound card.04:06
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wm_eddieand alsaconf knows how to set my sound card up correctly.04:06
whiprushthere's my unofficial, unsupported sources.list for anyone interested04:07
whiprushshould handle most of the gray area stuff.04:08
wm_eddiewhiprush: like mplayer?04:08
whiprushcrap, forgot the freenx source04:09
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joemwhiprush, does it have libdcss?04:11
Slackeerbblah i still cant watching streaming media04:11
whiprushexcept mplayer-mozilla seems to be curiously absent04:11
whiprushjoem: if you install w32codecs and libdvdcss and whatnot, you can watch almost any media in totem04:12
whiprushSlackeerb: here's what you do for quicktime ...04:12
whiprushcheck the source of the page04:12
whiprushthere's an embed tag04:12
joemif only the smp image package wasn't dying out on me, I would be all set04:12
whiprushwith a url to the .mov file04:12
whiprushwget that file04:12
whiprushand then play it.04:13
Slackeerbthats so hard tow lol04:13
subterrific"but if you use Java, you're already used to slow."04:13
whiprushyeah sucks sometimes. :-/04:13
whiprushhmmm, I wonder where mozilla-mplayer went04:15
whiprushSlackeerb: well, someone is working on mozilla-totem, so just hang tight, it'll come soon.04:15
Slackeerbwhiprush: should i just install mplayer?04:15
whiprushwithout the plugin it'll just do the same thing04:16
Chrifferi fetched mplayer-mozilla by hand04:16
Chriffercouldnt find it anywhere04:16
Chrifferor mozilla-mplayer04:17
Chrifferwhat a silly confusing name for a package04:17
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eazel7hi hi04:17
eazel7how are you? I'm _back_04:17
Slackeerbthere no sound in totem guys?04:18
eazel7updating from a clean debootstraped woody is ok? I hope04:18
whiprushman, this industrial skin for firefox is just fantastic.04:18
schweebyea, I'm using it now too whip04:18
subterrificwhiprush: me too, its slick04:18
schweebyou evil evil gnomebot04:18
schweebI liked my old theme a ton, too :-/04:18
schweebjust doesn't look right in gnome04:18
whiprushSlackeerb: there should be sound04:19
eazel7I use epihany because of the look matter04:19
Slackeerbwhiprush: there sint. =(. and when im listen to music with rhythmbox. gaim cant use sounds.04:20
whiprushwelcome to sound in linux!04:20
eazel7I wonder when will the gecko controls like lists and those be wrapped to gtk...04:20
subterrificmy biggest epiphany complaint is that it doesn't select the address bar when you make a new tab04:20
whiprushSlackeerb: pause rhythmbox, wait a second, then launch totem.04:20
eazel7subterrific: the same as me04:20
subterrificeazel7: i opened a bug about it and they still haven't fixed it04:21
whiprushI like epiphany, I only have one problem with it though04:21
whiprushit's not firefox. :-/04:21
Slackeerbwhiprush: still nothing04:21
eazel7would you belive that any gnome app delays at least 7 minutes to start?04:21
subterrificSlackeerb: i'll help you fix that04:21
Slackeerbwhiprush: shoudl I be bale to listen 2 two things at once?04:22
Slackeerbsubterrific: =)04:22
whiprushSlackeerb: I can't.04:22
whiprushI tried dmix, made it worse04:22
whiprushso I just gave up04:22
subterrificSlackeerb: first, run  gstreamer-properties04:22
subterrificand change everything from OSS to ALSA04:22
subterrificthen, relaunch everything, if that doesn't work, you'll need to add dmix stuff to your .asoundrc04:23
subterrificwhiprush: dmix should work fine if you change gstreamer to use ALSA04:23
whiprush and when I do that I get no sound at all. grrr.04:24
Slackeerbsubterrific: it works! =) yay. thx04:24
whiprushLemme try it though.04:24
subterrifici had 10 programs playing stereo audio with dmix and it was hardly using any cpu04:24
subterrificwhiprush: my guess is that you've got gstreamer set to use OSS. thats the default for some crazy reason04:25
whiprushI haven't tried this in ubuntu yet04:25
whiprushso lemme try it04:25
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Slackeerbsubterrific: can u help em with streaming media in firefox?04:25
whiprushI have an ac97 chip04:26
subterrificSlackeerb: mplayer-plugin for mozilla is pretty much the only option04:26
subterrificwhiprush: me too04:26
whiprushme too04:26
Slackeerbsubterrific: where do i get that?04:26
subterrificyou must have something configured wrong04:26
whiprushI have totem-xine though, do I need to change it to use alsa?04:26
whiprushI must.04:26
subterrificSlackeerb: not sure, i don't use it on ubuntu04:26
subterrificwhiprush: i have totem-xine too...hmm04:26
danielsi have an ac9704:26
whiprushdo you have an .asoundrc?04:27
eazel7daniels: I understain you04:27
eazel7daniels: I have the same04:27
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subterrificwhiprush: yeah, its at work though and we just moved offices today and the new office doesn't have internet yet, so i can't give you my .asoundrc04:27
whiprushI can wait04:28
whiprushI've waited long enough. @_@04:28
subterrifici pretty much used the one from alsa-project.org, but i did have to modify it slightly04:28
whiprushSo did I.04:28
whiprushI must have messed it up then04:28
whiprushMine was all laggy and skippy, cpu load maxed out, etc. etc.04:28
subterrificthe big thing is the !default section04:28
subterrificyou gotta have that04:29
subterrificwhiprush: what cpu?04:29
whiprush3ghz p4.04:29
subterrificheh, that should be plenty04:29
hornbeckhas anyone tried compiling dbus-cvs on Ubuntu?04:29
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whiprushheh, yeah, by far04:29
subterrificare there any good gtk edonkey clients?04:31
danielswhiprush: nope04:31
danielswhiprush: then again, I don't do dmix, and just live with single-open04:31
subterrificit seems like they're all emule ports by crazy germans, and they all crash on launch, hehe04:31
whiprushI know I'm going to give up and just buy that creative card that does everything in hardware.04:32
subterrificdaniels: well if you and whiprush are around tomorrow i'll give you my asoundrc, and it should work fine04:32
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whiprushI typically don't notice, since I'm running rb and muine all the time, and that blocks gaim from making noises, which is a big usability gain for me. :p04:33
Slackeerbwhiprush: once you have that how two done you should send me a link or the file. =) so i can put it on a disc04:33
subterrificthere is also a way to tell ALSA to let multiple apps that are using OSS access the sound card at the same time04:33
whiprushsubterrific: probably best to just post it to the list then04:34
danielssubterrific: cool04:34
whiprushsurely we can't be the only ac97 dudes around04:34
subterrificoh yeah, i forgot i subscribed to the list04:34
subterrificwhiprush: well i've already helped like 10 people with ALSA on irc04:34
Slackeerbwhiprush: once you have that how two done you should send me a link or the file. =) so i can put it on a disc. (i spelled your name wronge lol sorry)04:35
whiprushwell, if sub just posts to the list we'll all be ok.04:36
Slackeerbi was talking about the java thing04:36
whiprushSlackeerb: oh oh, I will04:37
Slackeerbwhiprush: ok thx. =)04:37
Slackeerbi still cant listen to two things a once but atleast sound works in totem04:38
subterrificok, hold on, i think i remember what all i had in asoundrc04:41
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subterrificgive this a try: http://subterrific.net/~jason/intel8x0_asoundrc04:43
subterrificrename it to: .asoundrc and put it in your home directory04:43
subterrificthen relaunch all apps that use ALSA04:43
Slackeerbshould i do that?04:45
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Slackeerbk =)04:45
subterrifick, so start something playing in totem, then try playing something else in rhythmbox at the same time04:46
subterrificand try: aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/train.wav at the same time too04:47
Slackeerbnow i get error "ALSA device 'default: doesnt exist"04:47
WWHmm... I just noticed that in sections of the task bar at the top of the screen, parts of it appear to have an extra pixels worth of height.04:48
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WWIt's like it drew the original task bar with one height, but then it updates it with a height the is one line less.04:49
subterrificSlackeerb: i see the problem, hold on a sec04:49
Slackeerbkz =)04:50
whiprushyou know, someday, when someone fixes sound in linux, we'll all look back on this and laugh.04:50
Slackeerbhopefully that day will be next week wendsday. =)04:51
subterrifick, get the file again or change this line: pcm "hw:1,0" to pcm "hw:0,0"04:52
subterrificthat should do it04:52
WWDoes anyone else see that?04:52
subterrificWW: you talking about right by Applications Computer ?04:53
subterrificthere is a bevel04:53
subterrificbut no bevel on the rest of the panel04:53
subterrifici think its a bug in the theme, cause on my gentoo box the entire panel has a bevel04:53
WWsubterrific: Try this: go to a blank part of the task bar, right-click, but then move the cursor away and click on the desktop.04:54
subterrificWW: no chang04:54
subterrificSlackeerb: does it work now?04:54
WWOn mine, after the little popup menu goes away, the task bar is one pixel thinner. 04:55
subterrificwhiprush: can you give it a try too? http://subterrific.net/~jason/intel8x0_asoundrc04:55
whiprushyeah sec04:55
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Slackeerbsubterrific: it works! =)04:56
whiprushsubterrific: works for me04:57
whiprushyou _rule_04:57
Slackeerbsubterrific: if you ever make a how to about this id be very thank full if you e-mailed it to me. whiprush: I would asl be very thankfull if you e-mailed me the java how to once its done. =)04:57
subterrificsure, i'll work on it right now. i'd like to work with the ubuntu folks to just make this stuff Just Work04:58
Slackeerbyes i agree! Just working is the best. =)04:58
schweebsubterrific: I already mentioned dmix to jdub04:58
schweebas he was working on an esound replacement04:59
schweebhe sounded interested04:59
schweebat least a bit04:59
subterrificschweeb: cool, i've got a kernel patch pending for ubuntu that adds the latest ALSA and a few more drivers. don't think its going to make it into hoary though05:00
schweebyou an alsa guy, or just know a decent bit about it?05:00
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subterrifici guess i became an ALSA guy last weekend when i spent the entire weekend trying to add a driver to the kernel to support this crappy Dell OEM SB Live i've got ;)05:01
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toyowheelinhello, dose anyone know how to specify what sound card to use in this os? I have 2 sound cards and I think it just automaticly chose one but its the wrong one05:05
lifelesstoyowheelin: there were folk talking about that just a minute ago.05:06
lifelessI'm sure they're not too far away :)05:06
subterrifictoyowheelin: thats a good one05:06
toyowheelinoh...just goot here05:06
lifelessare you scottish :)05:06
toyowheelinno just cant spell worth a damn05:06
subterrifictoyowheelin: first, run gstreamer-properties and switch everything to use ALSA instead of OSS05:06
subterrificlifeless: haha05:07
toyowheelink done05:08
phlaegelI had to use a simple asoundrc so that my tv card wouldn't be the default output...05:10
schweebhrm, I swear gstreamer-properties used to be in gnome-control-center05:10
Slackeerbschweeb: it is on mandrake05:10
schweebah, advanced05:10
subterrificschweeb: yeah i'm pretty sure it should still be there, ubuntu just forgot it ;)05:11
schweebno, it's there05:11
Slackeerbi dont see it?05:11
schweebbut not in the "computer" menu05:11
subterrifici mean in the menu05:11
eazel7sorry guys, but I've seen in one gnome session that the nice applications / computer ubuntu menu wasn't translated05:11
eazel7may I help?05:11
schweebtype "gnome-control-center"05:11
eazel7how can I translate it?05:11
schweeband go to advanced05:11
Slackeerbahhh 05:11
Slackeerbthx =)05:11
schweebit's called "multimedia systems selector"05:12
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schweebthere a reason you guys didn't make gstreamer-properties easily accessible from a menu?05:13
toyowheelinit says that it failed to construct the testpipeline for ALSA05:13
schweebis something already using the device?05:13
toyowheelinoh...wups yeah05:14
toyowheelinbut it still isnt making no noise05:14
subterrifictoyowheelin: after you did that gstreamer thing, you need to quit all apps using the sound card05:14
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subterrificthen go to Applications->Multimedia->Volume Control05:15
subterrificand unmute channels and turn the volume up05:15
toyowheelinwoah it says I have 4 sound cards in volume control05:15
subterrificALSA defaults to being muted and turned off05:15
subterrifictoyowheelin: yeah, 2 for ALSA and 2 for ALSA emulating OSS05:15
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schweebsubterrific: and thank god for that... when my pc speaker is unmuted, it's loud as hell05:16
subterrificschweeb: hehe pc speaker05:16
subterrificTjoklat: yo05:16
TjoklatI am sorry, the options I was talking about is in xscreensaver/advanced05:16
subterrificTjoklat: ok, well we figured out what it is05:17
Tjoklatwhat was it sub?05:17
subterrificTjoklat: its the smp kernel in combination with a P4 /w HyperThreading05:17
toyowheelinhumm IDK whats up with this thing05:18
Tjoklatah, so what did you do to fix it? I just rebuilt my kernel05:18
TongMasterTjoklat, did you have the mac with a 9200 card?05:18
subterrificTjoklat: at least someone commented on the bug and said he had the same problem and had to turn off hyperthreading and use the 686 or 386 kernel w/ no smpo05:18
subterrifictoyowheelin: ?05:19
toyowheelinstill no sound05:19
Tjoklatgreat that it got fixed sub, TM, no just normal pc05:19
Tjoklatbut the 2.6.8 kernel is buggy05:19
subterrificyeah its a lemon05:19
subterrifici found another way to lock it up05:20
Tjoklatthe only issue I am having is the mp3 props in nautilus05:20
subterrificboot with no network cable and then run evolution and try to check email. that brought my machine to a crawl :\05:20
schweebyou sure that's not an evolution problem?05:21
subterrificschweeb: evolution shouldn't be able to lock up the machine05:21
schweebevolution isn't exactly resource friendly05:21
subterrificthats a kernel issue05:21
eazel7resource friendly?05:21
schweebwhat's your definition of "a crawl"05:21
eazel7you mean low consumption?05:22
subterrificschweeb: not even being able to switch to a virtual term05:22
whiprushon my machine evolution isn't the problem05:22
toyowheelinanyone know why when I installed ubunto it nolonger gives the option to boot into windows?05:22
whiprushit's evolution-data-server05:22
subterrifichaving xfree totally stop drawing05:22
eazel7my english isn't so good, sorry05:22
whiprushit must leak or something05:22
whiprushMine at work hit like, 600mb05:22
mdzschweeb: yes, gstreamer-properties came up on the mailing list already05:22
mdzschweeb: because the dialog is unintuitive and shouldn't be necessary for users05:22
Tjoklattoy.. when the puter starts up.. you have to hit escape to get a menu05:23
schweebmdz: yea... how bout setting it to alsa by default?05:23
toyowheelinoh ok...05:23
mdzschweeb: why?05:23
Tjoklatit is a bit fuzzy05:23
Tjoklatbut I like how it is05:23
toyowheelinTjoklat, im used to lilo05:23
Tjoklathit escape and you get the menu with windows in it05:23
mdzcurrently we standardise on OSS because the userland is more stable that way05:24
Tjoklatah, you'll like grub toy :)05:24
schweebi've not had much of any problem with alsa at all05:24
whiprushI have05:24
schweebgstreamer used to suck w/ alsa, but now it appears to have stabilised05:24
schweebwhiprush: what now?05:24
toyowheelinIm also used to mandrake but decided to go with ubuntu because mandrake 64 is "borken"05:24
subterrificmdz: i hear that, but i've told at least 10 people to switch to ALSA and everyone loves being able to do multichannel audio and no problems reported so far05:24
subterrificmdz: plus, all it is changing is gstreamer, is gstreamer-alsa really that buggy?05:25
whiprushnot anymore05:25
whiprushit used to _suck_.05:25
whiprushlike, bad.05:25
mdzsubterrific: multichannel as in >2?05:25
schweebyes, mdz 05:25
schweebwith dmix05:25
TjoklatI am able to play any mp3.. it just look crapiola in properties05:26
Tjoklatwhich is really disturbing me05:26
whiprushdunno man, all I remember is that alsa is supposed to be all sweet, and I end up spending more time fixing my alsa stuff than I ever did with oss.05:26
schweebanother annoying default is the locale05:26
Tjoklatgives me errors about image can't be displayed05:26
subterrificmdz: yes, having more than one app access the sound card. gaim + totem, gaim + rhythmbox05:26
whiprushso if someone fixes that upstream, then I'm happy.05:26
mdzschweeb: ok, that's something else05:26
mdzmultichannel means audio streams with more than one channel05:26
mdzsubterrific: if your card can do the mixing, it should work with both OSS and ALSA05:26
mdzmine does05:27
eazel7I know that what I use to do is stupid but: alsa + oss_emu + esd05:27
schweebmdz: most of us seem to be stuck with intel8x0 + ac9705:27
schweebanother annoying default is the locale05:27
eazel7that's what I do, because many programs still uses oss05:27
schweebI tell the installer en_US05:27
Tjoklatsub.. when you right click on props.. what does your audio/video tab say?05:27
toyowheelinbrb im gonna reboot maybe the sound will fix itself05:27
schweeband the locale is set to POSIX05:27
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subterrificTjoklat: what app?05:28
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Tjoklatjust in nautilus05:28
Tjoklatpick a mp305:28
Tjoklatright click to see props05:28
Tjoklatthen go to the audio/vid tab05:28
Tjoklatwhat does yours say?05:28
mdzsubterrific: see bug 1481 for discussion05:29
subterrificgives me General with id3 tags, Video is greyed out Audio is Bitrate and Codec05:29
mdzsubterrific: basically we need to use esd, and esd and ALSA don't get along05:29
mdzwe hope to get rid of esd for hoary05:29
Tjoklatso it is me05:29
subterrificmdz: k, looking05:29
whiprushDude I hope to get rid of esd for the sake of humanity05:29
TjoklatI winder what is a miss05:29
Tjoklatwinder: wonder05:29
whiprushhoary will just be a lucky side effect05:29
mdzsubterrific: if you have more information to add, please do05:29
schweebthe best quote ever is the Alan Cox one05:30
eazel7I'd love to see an esd-compatible daemon based on gstreamer05:30
schweebabout ESD05:30
Tjoklatwhat is your default player for mp3 sub?05:30
tsengschweeb: yep05:30
Tjoklatmine is set to totem.. perhaps it doesn't like that05:30
eazel7isn't my idea possible?05:30
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schweebtseng: anything good going on at oftc, or everyone asleep?05:30
Tjoklatwb toy05:30
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whiprushhmmm, any chance of spamassassin 3 making it to warty? I'd hate to be stuck with 2.64 for evolution.05:30
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toyowheelinok that didnt work and durring reboot I tried 'esc' and it dint have windows in there05:31
schweebwhiprush: chances - unlikely05:31
Tjoklatyou changed something in grub?05:31
schweebwhiprush: they're like sarge dude... version freeze... bugfixes only05:31
whiprushhey man.05:31
WWMultimedia noob question: Playing CDs, or playing oggs with rhythmbox, gives a certain volume.  When I play a DVD with totem-xine, the volume is much lower.  Is this typical, or can I tweak something to equalize these?05:31
subterrificTjoklat: totem too i think05:31
whiprushI can hope05:31
whiprushand I don't see schweeb@canonical.com do I?05:31
toyowheelindefault install with the exception that I pointed it to the correct partition05:31
subterrificTjoklat: yeah totem, i can't even change it from Totem, fun bugs :)05:31
whiprushthat's right.05:31
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Tjoklatwaaa that is odd05:32
Tjoklatmaybe I  need to finish updating the box05:32
Tjoklatsee what happens then05:32
subterrificmdz: esd wasn't running by default on any machine i installed ubuntu on, why do you need it?05:35
mdzsubterrific: to share the sound device, because mixing doesn't work with many sound cards05:35
toyowheelinok yeah that royaly screwed up somethin...now it says the ALSA device 'default' is already in use05:35
subterrificmdz: thats what dmix with ALSA is for, right?05:35
schweebmdz: which is why we suggested dmix ;)  it does software mixing05:36
subterrificit works a lot better05:36
schweebI mentioned it to jdub, he seemed to be interested05:36
subterrificunlimited mixing channels05:36
mdzthe decision was that dmix was not up to par05:36
schweebsince he was working on that esd compatible thingy05:36
mdzit's mentioned specifically in the bug comments05:36
mdzif you have more accurate information, by all means comment on the bug05:37
subterrificmdz: i see no mention of dmix05:37
schweebsubterrific: what's the URL to your dmix asoundrc?05:37
mdzsearch the page for dmix05:37
subterrificmdz: oh, find in firefox preview is just borked or i'm not using it right05:38
tsengschweeb: nm happening05:38
whiprushmdz: hey is type ahead all sorts of hosed for you?05:38
whiprusher, I meant subterrific 05:38
whiprushin 1.0pr05:38
subterrificmdz: "Perhaps we05:38
schweebno shit05:38
subterrificcan work on some ALSA dmix autoconfiguration for Hoary, but it's Hard."05:38
schweeb1.0preview went in?05:38
schweebfucking nice05:38
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schweebI'm a slave to my regular apt-get upgrades though :p05:39
subterrificwhiprush: yeah seems find is totally hosed in firefox PR05:39
whiprushschweeb: upgrade and test type-ahead-find would you?05:39
subterrifichighlight works05:39
whiprushok, that's three people I know of05:39
schweebwhich one is type ahead find?05:39
whiprushthat's it's borked with05:39
natewfind works fine for me..05:39
schweebthe one where you just start typing and it finds links?05:40
schweebor the vi style one?05:40
whiprushI don't even get the toolbar thing05:40
whiprushit's just not working at all for me05:40
schweebit's b0rked here too05:40
schweebvi style as well05:40
schweebtry regenerating your profile?05:40
schweebjust like good ol deb?05:40
natewmine was a fresh install.. <shrug>05:41
whiprushlemme su or something05:41
schweebyou know about mv, right :p05:41
whiprushyeah but you never know05:41
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schweebI know you're all into find . -exec rm -rf;05:42
schweebfind . -exec rm -rf {}05:42
schweebor some shit like that05:42
whiprushnope, broken there too05:42
justdaveif I get an error message when installing a package in synaptic, is there a way to copy the error message out of the terminal?  Shift+Control+C doesn't seem to work05:43
whiprushk, I don't see anything in mozilla's bugzilla05:44
whiprushnor ubuntu's.05:44
schweebbugreport for whiprush then05:44
whiprushugh, lemme snag an upstream tarball first05:45
schweebmake mdz work for his $$$ if it's a dupe :p05:45
whiprushwanna make sure05:45
justdaveah, got it...  it's one of those "whatever's selected is already on the clipboard" apps05:46
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WWJust tried find in 1.0PR.  It's not working, but the highlighting is working.05:47
whiprushworks with the mozilla.org tarball05:47
sub_popwhen i try to load the Trash Applet, i get this message: Unable to acquire monitor of the Trash directory05:47
justdaveI just did dist-upgrade...05:48
sub_popwhat does that mean?05:48
justdaveI can't even start firefox now.  get an XUL error05:48
phlaegelsweet, howl's in universe now05:48
whiprushphlaegel: jdub mentioned that a few hours ago, cool eh?05:48
whiprushanyone else have anything to add to this firefox find-as-you-type deal before I file the bug?05:48
schweebnow if only someone could tell me something useful to do with DNS-SD...05:49
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phlaegelwell, the more available it is, the more likely it'll get used. I'm hoping gnome-user-share matures semi-quickly.05:51
whiprushfind as you type worked with .9.3 right?05:51
whiprushit did for me anyway05:51
sub_popahh it was because fam died05:51
toyowheelinis there updates like everyday?05:52
phlaegelfabbione: ping05:52
whiprushschweeb: your find-as-you-type is totally broken right?05:53
whiprushtoyowheelin: just about05:53
schweebstart typing, nothin happens05:53
whiprushis everyone elses totally broken?05:54
schweebpress "/"05:54
schweebstart typing, nothin happens05:54
whiprushno bar pops up at the bottom either?05:54
toyowheelinwhiprush, how do I get these updates?05:54
whiprushsudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade05:54
schweebthe RSS aggregator looks to work though05:54
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whiprushbug filed.05:55
toyowheelinlol looks like this is slowly filling my computer with 32bit progs :/05:56
schweebwhiprush: 05:57
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schweebdid you look in the advanced prefs?05:57
schweebhow "use find as you type" is unchecked?05:57
brad[] There any way to make totem play with the xine backend? gstreamer isn't 100% useful for me05:57
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whiprushmine still doesn't work05:58
phlaegelbrad[] : install totem-xine05:58
schweebit's still broke05:58
schweebbut partially functional05:58
schweebbackspace doesn't work05:58
brad[] phlaegel: Doesn't seem listed?05:59
whiprushneither do ctrl-g05:59
phlaegelbrad[] : have you enabled universe in /etc/apt/source.list ?05:59
whiprushand / for me05:59
subterrificmdz: k, i commented https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=148105:59
toyowheelinfor these new updates to be applied do I have to reboot05:59
brad[] phlaegel: sec06:00
brad[] phlaegel: Out of curiosity what is universe?06:00
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brad[] phlaegel: packages that don't meet QA or..?06:01
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toyowheelinok nevermind ill just do it and see06:01
phlaegelit's debian packages rebuilt for ubuntu. unsupported.06:01
whiprushtoyowheelin:not really06:01
whiprushunless it's a kernel upgrade06:01
brad[] phlaegel: ah ok06:01
whiprushif it's a gnome update you should probably log out and back in 06:01
whiprushusually it's no big deal though06:02
whiprushschweeb: that's weird, it shouldn't change my option like that.06:02
punkass_schweeb: was i talkin to you earlier about harddrive issues?06:03
punkass_k, well i plugged another drive in and it booted up fine...so must be something up with the that particular drive06:04
justdavefirefox keeps track of whether you've changed a preference or not06:04
whiprushbut I tried an upstream tarball06:05
justdaveif you've never touched that preference before and they change the default, it'll change.06:05
whiprushand it was the opposite preference06:05
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justdaveonce you've manually touched it, it'll stick with what you put in it.06:05
schweebdmix is workin perfectly here06:05
punkass_tho i am curious, i am using a rsync script to back up my main drive, so i have recreated all the partitions on the backup drive...am i able to make the second one bootable somehow?06:06
punkass_so when it fails and can just swap IDE cables06:06
schweebyou essentially want to do mirroring?06:07
schweebcan't software RAID do mirroring? and most non OEM boards do RAID now...06:07
punkass_well i just want to do a nightly backup, not a realtime mirror06:08
schweebeasier and more reliable to do the realtime, IMO06:08
schweeball it has to do is copy the same bits to both channels06:08
punkass_yeah...but its more common for someone to delete a file and want it back then a HD to fail06:09
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punkass_and with using rsync its not a heavy load on the drive..06:10
hornbeckis jono in here?06:10
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punkass_but as i was making the partitions i wondered if i could make the slave bootable as well06:11
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probswhat's the deal with sound on ubuntu? I had to change my gstreamer setting to get mp3 playback, but I still have no sound anywhere else.06:16
probsanybody else had that problem?06:16
subterrificprobs: what did you change gsteamer to use?06:17
probschanged 'default sink' to 'esd'06:17
wm_eddiehow does apt go about deciding wich package to download?06:17
probsno desktop sounds, no flash player sounds...06:17
subterrificprobs: did you try ALSA?06:17
wm_eddielike if I have mplayer in universe and the mplayer in http://www.arslinux.com/~jorge/sources.list?06:17
schweebyou have to tell apps to use esd if you turn on esd06:17
subterrificesd really blows :\06:17
schweebI go to all lengths to avoid it06:18
probsI've tried testing others but they all crash06:18
probswhy is esd the default?06:18
schweeball lengths being not using software mixing06:18
WWDid you all get find in Firefox 1.0PR to work?  Doesn't work for me, even after changing Preferences->Advanced->Accessibility options.06:18
subterrificprobs: i have no clue. lets see if we can't get ALSA working for you06:18
probssubterrific: that sounds awesome06:19
schweebsubterrific: yea, that dmix script works perfect for me06:19
WWAlso, if I use highlighting, and type something, and then backspace to erase what I typed, any highlighted that occurred inside a form is not unhighlighted.06:19
subterrificquit all apps that use sound and go into gstreamer-properties and switch everything to use ALSA06:19
WWBug 1628 says NOTABUG.06:19
schweebif someone could write a simple app to auto generate a dmix asoundrc, it'd be sweet06:19
subterrificand then killall esd :)06:20
probssubterrific: okay..killing esd...06:20
subterrificschweeb: i'm going to see if i can do that06:20
schweebI would, but don't have enough time, nor do I care to learn about dmix now06:20
schweebplus, my app wouldn't exacly be HIG compliant :p06:21
probssubterrific: okay...dead:)06:21
subterrificprobs: now start some audio playing in rhythmbox or something and then go into Applications->Multimedia->Volume Control and unmute your output channels and turn up the volume until you hear something :)06:21
schweebwhiprush: ...06:21
schweebwhiprush: why did you mark NOTABUG?06:21
subterrificprobs: also do you know what sound card and driver you're using?06:21
schweebwhiprush: it's a bug in ubuntu's package, doesn't matter if it works in the tarball06:22
probssubterrific: yeah..nforce2 mobo w/ ac97...06:22
probssubterrific: rhythmbox crash:)06:22
subterrificprobs: thats no good. try totem?06:24
probssubterrific: hey...totem works!06:25
subterrificrhythmbox has some other stability problems06:25
subterrificok, now. use paste.plone.org and show me the output from lsmod06:25
probssubterrific: uh...sorry...what's paste.plone.org?06:26
probssubterrific: wow..that's neat:)06:27
subterrificits a public paste board06:27
probsokay..it's there (I guess)06:28
subterrificprobs: ok, now download this: http://subterrific.net/~jason/intel8x0_asoundrc and save it to .asoundrc in your home directory06:30
subterrificnow you've got multichannel mixing, so multiple apps (like gaim + totem + rhythmbox) can all play audio at the same time06:30
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whiprushschweeb: I looked it up on mozilla's bugzilla06:31
subterrifici think you might need to restart totem, but play audio in totem and then type this on the command line: aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/train.wav06:31
whiprushthey changed the behaviour upstream06:31
whiprushso, it's not an ubuntu bug06:31
schweebit is06:32
schweebit needs to be fixed in the package06:32
whiprushdude try it on the upstream tarball06:32
schweebi.e. repackaged06:32
whiprushthey shut it off06:32
whiprushthey even blogged about it06:33
whiprushI'm 90% sure it's notabug.06:33
schweebgive me the link, so I can more clearly understand your insanity06:33
probssubterrific: beautiful...I think it worked:)06:33
subterrificprobs: rock06:33
whiprushschweeb: rol, in all irony, I made a new profile inbetween.06:33
subterrificprobs: if you wanna stick around maybe i can help you fix rhythmbox06:33
probssubterrific: now if I could figure out why rhythmbox crashes?06:34
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whiprushbut if you think you're right, just reopen it then.06:34
probssubterrific: yeah! sure! if you're up to it:)06:34
schweeblink to mozilla shit, whiprush 06:34
schweebare you saying the 1.0PR in ubuntu is behaving as it should?06:34
whiprushschweeb: new profile, no history06:35
whiprushyeah, I'm pretty sure06:35
schweebwhy did you not use mv, whiprush 06:35
schweebyou suck.06:35
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whiprushI'll look into it more tomorrow06:35
subterrificprobs: do you have gdb installed?06:35
whiprushken's find-as-you-type in ubuntu is only half broken06:36
whiprushafter upgrading to 1.0pr06:36
schweebsubterrific: have him start it from the command line first, and look at the output it spews to the console06:36
schweebsubterrific: it's generally a more useful start06:36
probssubterrific: yup06:36
WWwhiprush: Is the highlighting in forms a separate problem?06:36
whiprushI don't even get to that part.06:36
subterrificprobs: do that, run it from a terminal06:40
subterrificif there is any meaningful output before it crashes, use paste.plone.org :)06:40
TreenaksHey! in-page find broke in firefox06:42
fabbionemorning guys06:42
wm_eddieum no06:42
Treenakshi fabbione06:42
wm_eddieTreenaks: You have to turn it on.06:42
Treenakswm_eddie: I did..06:42
wm_eddieand it still doesn't work?06:43
Treenakswm_eddie: it doesn't work if I do Ctrl+F either06:43
whiprushI turned mine on 06:43
wm_eddiehmm interesting...06:43
whiprushand it worked06:43
wm_eddiemine too06:43
wm_eddietry pressing / and then trying06:43
whiprushyeah well, something is up06:43
TreenaksI even removed my .mozilla directory.. no change06:43
whiprushbecause we've been finding odd behaviour with it06:43
Treenakswm_eddie: no..06:43
whiprushmy coworker has it working about 50% of the time.06:43
whiprushit's weird.06:43
Treenaksif I restart after setting the option in the 'Preferences' screen, it seems to work06:44
whiprushTreenaks: yeah me too06:44
Treenaksctrl+f is still broken06:45
whiprushtry ctrl-g06:45
whiprushfor "next link"06:45
whiprushbroken for you too?06:45
TreenaksI know06:45
Treenaksctrl+g is broken, yes06:45
Treenakshighlight works though (in the "ctrl+f bar")06:45
whiprushcan you reopen that then?06:46
probssubterrific: gdb doesn't give anything more useful than this:06:46
probsrhythmbox: pcm.c:2094: snd_pcm_wait: Assertion `err == 1' failed.06:46
probssubterrific: I can hear the first second of the song before it crashes06:47
Treenakswhiprush: ij06:47
subterrificprobs: i had that happen to me too. it was because i tried to play a wma file or something06:48
probssubterrific: hmm...I think these are all mp3s..but let me make sure06:48
whiprushTreenaks: ugh, I thought I had figured it out, but just reopen it and add your info, specifically the restarting bit.06:49
whiprushsomeone smart will figure it out.06:49
Treenakswhiprush: it works on my SuSE install at work (ugh..)06:49
probssubterrific: it's kind of strange...when I run gstreamer-properties, the 'tests' both crash when I'm using alsa as well.06:49
schweebare you sure alsa works, probs ?06:50
schweeber s/alsa/sound/06:50
subterrificprobs: what kernel are you using?06:51
probsschweeb: no..not sure..but I thought so...06:51
subterrificand is this a fresh ubuntu install?06:51
probssubterrific: default ubuntu
subterrificprobs: i've got a kernel that adds the latest ALSA stuff, if you want to try it06:52
schweebare you running on a dell laptop perchance?06:52
probsschweeb: nope...homemade desktop:)06:52
subterrificprobs: i'd also suggest upgrading everything via apt/synaptic first too06:53
probssubterrific: sure..is it one you built?06:53
subterrificthere have been quiet a few updates06:53
probssubterrific: yeah, I just updated everything a few hours ago06:53
WWwhiprush: If you're not completely sick of this yet... try this: Go to the bug 1628 page, and scroll so that the Summary field in visible.  Then ctrl-F and type Find.  The text inside the form will be highlighted.  Now backspace to delete the Find that you typed.  The highlight up in the form remains.06:53
Tjoklat<-- still updating06:53
WWs/in v/is v/06:53
subterrificprobs: yeah, its the stock ubuntu kernel with the latest ALSA patch from alsa-project.org06:54
crimsun"latest" being 1.0.6a or 1.0.7rc1 or newer/06:55
probssubterrific: would it be easier for me to just patch it?06:55
crimsuni've been using 1.0.7rc1 with no probs06:55
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subterrificprobs: maybe try restarting too, 2.6.8 kernel seems kind of iffy, and who knows what esd does ;)06:55
hornbeckdoes anyone else get errors on apt-get update?06:56
crimsunwhat sort of errors?06:56
crimsungzip ones from the sources?06:56
crimsunjust try again in 5 mins.06:56
hornbeckI get it all the time though06:56
crimsunyou caught it when it was recreating them, more than likely.06:56
crimsunthey're redone every 30 mins (from earlier)06:57
hornbeckI guess it is right on the dot for when I update06:57
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probssubterrific: okay...restarting;) I'll try the alsa patch if nothing changes. 06:58
whiprushWW: heh. that works for me, believe it or not07:02
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toyowheelinwell I figured out my audio issue07:04
toyowheelinor atleast fixed it in xmms07:04
subterrifictoyowheelin: what'd you do?07:05
toyowheelinthe system wants to use alsa "default" in xmms I specified hw:1,0 in the alsa configure thingy07:06
toyowheelinxmms is the only working sound ATM07:06
subterrifictoyowheelin: paste your asoundrc http://paste.plone.org/ for me to see07:07
toyowheelinmy what?07:07
subterrificoh, you're not using an asoundrc file?07:07
toyowheelinI dont know what one is07:07
toyowheelinor where to find it07:08
subterrificahh, you can specify alsa defaults in your home/.asoundrc07:08
crimsunor /etc/asound.conf07:08
toyowheelinoh...so which one you wanna see?07:08
toyowheelin/etc/ or /home/07:08
subterrificwell if you haven't made one, neither will be there07:09
crimsundoesn't matter. The one in ~ overrides.07:09
toyowheelinyeah nether one exists07:09
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subterrifictoyowheelin: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=.asoundrc07:11
subterrificthats a good read07:11
subterrificit even tells you how to use two sound cards as if they were one07:12
subterrificwhich might interest you07:12
toyowheelincool...I might need to make one...stuff might actually work than07:12
subterrifici think it definitely will07:13
probssubterrific: okay, after reboot I am back to the error from a few days ago where it says 'alsa device default is used by another program'07:13
toyowheelinwell the only reason I have 2 sound cards is so I can play flightsim in winxp with my gameport joystick07:13
subterrificprobs: what is saying that?07:13
toyowheelinthe pci soundcard is just there for the gameport07:13
probssubterrific: rhythmbox07:13
subterrificprobs: Desktop Preferences->Sound do you have Enable sound server startup  checked?07:14
subterrificif so, uncheck that. that starts esd...bad bad bad07:14
probssubterrific: ah, yes that seems to have been the problem, so now rhythmbox crashes again:)07:15
subterrificprobs: use paste.plone to show me the output from lsof | grep snd07:16
probssubterrific: okay it's there07:17
probssubterrific: you know, my card shows up in /proc/asound/cards too07:18
subterrifichmm, ok. does the test stuff crash in gstreamer-properties?07:18
probssubterrific: yep, every time07:18
probssubterrific: for everything except esd:)07:19
schweebps aux | grep esd07:19
schweebor maybe esound07:19
subterrificwell i hate to ask you to do this again, but now that esd is disabled and won't start, try restarting again07:19
subterrificprobs: i seriously think esd is your problem07:20
schweebesd is shyte07:20
toyowheelinhum you know there should be a tool for doing this so you dont gotta edit the .asoundrc file07:20
subterrifici've walked like 10 people through this with your exact same card/driver setup and no one has had problems07:20
probsschweeb: yeah there is: /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps07:20
subterrifictoyowheelin: working on it ;)07:20
schweebrestart gnome then07:20
subterrificprobs: killall -9 esd07:20
subterrificthing is like a plague07:21
probssubterrific: okay...thanks:) rebooting:)07:21
schweebno need to reboot07:21
schweebonly logoff/login07:21
schweebor killall esd07:21
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probskilled all esd, but still no go:(07:21
toyowheelinsubterrific, I kinda feel bad making demands on the development team because I have so little to offer to projects but this is one thing that should definately have a gui tool :)07:22
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subterrificprobs: restart with gstreamer set to ALSA and sound server startup disabled07:22
subterrifici really think esd is somehow screwing ALSA07:23
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probssubterrific: okay:)07:23
schweebtoyowheelin: helping make it a good, simple desktop by filing bugreports/feature requests for the devs07:23
schweebis good07:23
schweebthat's your contribution07:23
toyowheelinyeah but it feels like im just being a leach07:24
subterrifictoyowheelin: it should. sound is something that needs to Just Work, and ALSA is getting really close to making it happen, but its so new still07:24
subterrificALSA hasn't really been an option until very recently07:24
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schweebsubterrific: problem is lots of people just give up and go back to OSS tather than trying to make it work properly07:25
subterrificschweeb: yup, and people like probs end up trying esd and it breaks everything07:25
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toyowheelinis alsa true full duplex sound?07:26
schweebI'd honestly rather live with no mixing than esd07:26
schweeband have so far07:26
subterrificprobs: ps aux | grep esd ;-)07:26
subterrificno esd right?07:27
probssubterrific: :D07:27
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probsnope, but guess what? rhythbox still hates me:)07:27
subterrificprobs: ok, well at least now we know it really is an ALSA problem and you can try the new kernel if you'd like07:28
subterrificprobs: and does the gstreamer-properties test sound still crash?07:28
subterrifici guess it could also be a problem with gstreamer-alsa...07:28
probssubterrific: yup, just like rhythmbox07:28
Tjoklatis installing xmms a bad idea?07:29
subterrificTjoklat: i think so :\07:29
toyowheelinone thing that I love about this project and dint like so much with mandrake is that this project is staying on top of the latest versions of programs and mandrake was like way behind07:29
subterrificTjoklat: its really personal preference though07:29
subterrifictoyowheelin: me too07:29
schweebI like beep-media-player07:29
probssubterrific: you know...I just realized, I think the reason totme was working is because I uninstalled the gstreamer version and installed the xine version a while back07:30
TjoklatI don't like xmms07:30
subterrificprobs: maybe, i think xine might be using ALSA though07:30
toyowheelinonce ubuntu gets KDE though I will be extreamly happy07:30
Tjoklatbut to fire up a whole juke like rhytm..07:30
subterrificprobs: see if aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/train.wav works07:30
TjoklatI was hoping for beep07:30
schweebxine can use alsa, definitely07:30
TjoklatI am glad there isn't kde07:30
Tjoklatsorry toy07:30
schweebTjoklat: beep is in universe07:30
probssubterrific: yeah, that's what I was thinking...maybe the problem is just with gstreamer and not alsa?07:30
probssubterrific: yep it plays perfectly07:31
toyowheelinI have just "grown up" on KDE and prefer it over gnome...I feel lost in gnome07:31
Tjoklatschweeb thanks... a bit worried about using  universe07:31
subterrificprobs: hrm, thats pointing to gstreamer then07:31
Tjoklatisn't that the pool that breaks things?07:31
schweebthere aren't any package name collisions afaik07:31
schweebso you have to manually get stuff from universe07:32
schweebi.e. if you add universe, then upgrade, nothing from main should be upgraded, ever07:32
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schweebso, only packages from universe, and packages from main that use what you install from universe are affected07:32
subterrificprobs: try running gst-register-0.807:33
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subterrificand then running rhythmbox07:33
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toyowheelinanyhoo im off to bed gnight07:33
probssubterrific: arrgh...nope07:33
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ishFor a laptop sitting idle, is it normal for the fan to kick into high gear every so often?07:34
subterrificprobs: and make sure that nasty esd isn't running again ;)07:34
TjoklatI think I am going to stay away from universe for now07:34
probssubterrific: no esd07:34
schweebish: yes07:35
probssubterrific: flash has sound now though:)07:35
subterrificprobs: i guess its a gstreamer-alsa issue then if aplay works :\07:35
schweebdunno about P-M's but P4 and P4M's are hot as hell07:35
schweebsubterrific: does anyone actually have gstreamer-alsa working?07:36
subterrificprobs: i wonder if totem-xine uses alsa or oss07:36
ishI've got a PIIIM and I'm surprised how hot it can get just sitting here on IRC.07:36
subterrificschweeb: i do, it works great07:36
subterrificschweeb: run gstreamer-properties and switch everything to ALSA. i've been telling everyone to try that and so far prob is the first person who has any problems07:37
schweebwell, yea, did that long ago07:37
probssubterrific: haha...maybe it's because I don't have gstreamer-alsa installed?07:37
schweebbeen using ALSA since before 2.6 was -test07:37
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schweebsubterrific: by gstreamer-alsa, I actually meant totem-gstreamer07:38
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probshmmmmm...guess not unless I just need to restart now?07:39
subterrificprobs: really?07:40
probssubterrific: yeah, it wasn't installed before07:40
subterrificgstreamer0.8-alsa is what you want07:40
subterrificmake sure you didn't just install an old version07:41
probssubterrific: oh ah hm, I think I did:)07:41
subterrifici almost made the same mistake07:41
schweebyea, dangerous adding that from universe ;)07:41
subterrificits silly they are named different07:42
probssubterrific: so did you end up installing that patch because of a similar problem?07:42
subterrificprobs: i ended up doing the patch because there was no driver for my sound card in the kernel, but there was one recently added to ALSA07:43
subterrifici don't think the patch will help you, since it is gstreamer-alsa only that is causing problems07:43
probssubterrific: oh yeah07:43
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subterrificprobs: if you really can't live without rhythmbox, maybe you could try setting gstreamer to use OSS, but stay away from esd ;)07:44
probssubterrific: I'll try that:)07:45
subterrificotherwise you might have to stay away from gstreamer apps till they fix their shit :\07:45
subterrifici've had a ton of issues with gstreamer and rhythmbox, they aren't the most stable combo07:46
probssubterrific: yeah I've had similar problems with other distros as well...07:46
probssubterrific: but I think I can live without gstreamer...probably even rhythmbox as well07:47
subterrifici think its mostly gstreamer and not rhythmbox too because i used to think totem sucked, but since i tried totem-xine i've had no problems07:47
schweebgstreamer's video plugins suck07:47
schweebthe audio plugins are pretty good07:47
schweebgstreamer's alsa used to be pretty bad07:48
schweebmuch better now07:48
ishIs there a command to make speedstep kick in (scale the cpu speed down)?07:48
subterrificyeah, gstreamer is getting a lot better. i feel like any release now it is going to start rocking07:48
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LHXUbuntu is quite nice I must say... Just popper her on an open partition...07:49
LHXone question though... is there a forum for Ubuntu users?07:50
danielsnot yet, but I do believe they're getting set up07:50
_RaVenI have to agree :)...I have not liked many linux distro's after trying out FreeBSD....but this one may get me back, Debian++07:51
LHXwell that's cool... I'd still say my main distro is Arch... but since Arch's gnome support is sort of limited... I'm giving thought to switching to Ubuntu07:51
probssubterrific: anyway, thanks a ton for your help, I really appreciate it07:52
subterrificprobs: no problem, glad i could help07:53
subterrificprobs: when you were using esd, what was was working?07:58
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probssubterrific: you mean rhythmbox?07:58
subterrifici mean what apps if any worked07:58
probssubterrific: yeah, rhythmbox worked, but I think it's the only gstreamer app I was using07:59
probssubterrific: the flash player in my browser was mute though07:59
probstotem-xine worked, but that's to be expected08:00
LHXQuestion... Is it easier to compile mplayer myself or should I be looking for a new repository... (haven't used a deb based distro in over a year)08:00
schweebeasier to find a repos08:01
schweebuse debian marillat08:01
schweebsomething like ftp.nerim.net or something08:01
schweebgoggle is key08:01
probssubterrific: I could also play the sample sound events in 'sound preferences'08:01
subterrificprobs: k08:01
LHXThanks.  I'll go check that out in a minute...08:02
probssubterrific: tuxracer didn't have sound under esd, but it does now:)08:02
LHXTHe URL is ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/08:03
subterrificprobs: are you going to stick around irc?08:07
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probssubterrific: probably for another hour or so;)08:07
subterrificprobs: i mean in coming days. i might need your help if i try to fix that gstreamer-alsa crash08:07
subterrificmaybe if i get your email? will you msg it to me?08:08
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probssubterrific: oh:)....um yeah but probably only in the evenings (like now)08:08
subterrifici'd be working on it in the evenings too08:10
subterrificgot a real job during the day ;)08:10
probssubterrific: great, I'd love to help:)08:11
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ishHmm.. Its kinda weird to start snort by default.. before any configuration.08:32
ishI hate them.. and my nub is broken.08:44
theantix_gah, I just compiled netapplet, only to find that it uses the g-s-t network configurator so I *still* can't get gui wireless switching08:45
crimsunmm nice to have ubuntu-artwork on my sid system :)08:45
=== theantix_ will hack together something until hoary does it properly :-)
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punkass_theantix_: what is netapplet? i am looking for something gui for wireless09:02
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theantix_punkass_, netapplet is what the redhat/fedora people are working on to switch between wireless networks... I built the debian packages, which work fine but you can't set essid or keys in g-s-t so it's not all that useful (as far as I can tell)09:07
punkass_ah ok...i am running ndiswrapper on my laptop and trying to find a nice gui interface to set keys etc09:08
theantix_ditto :-)09:09
punkass_have u checked out Wifi Radar09:09
punkass_i am going to try and set it up tomorrow...so far the best i could find09:11
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TreenaksI think the network configuration program should be able to set WEP keys.. I had to edit my /etc/network/interfaces by hand..09:11
theantix_Treenaks, I know they are working on it -- it's in the wiki for the next release -- I just need something in the meantime, and what punkass_ linked to might be useful09:12
punkass_yeah it totally should09:12
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eazel7hi guys09:12
Treenakstheantix_: ah ok09:12
eazel7I'm here again09:12
punkass_yeah the built in net config gui should do what this wifi radar does09:13
eazel7punkass_, shows you the strengh of the signal09:13
punkass_but theres not alot of docs on it...so hopefully its not to bad to set up09:13
punkass_what does?09:13
Tomcat_Hooray for unstable... I got Firefox 0.9.3 :)09:14
eazel7are you talking about the gnome wifi applet?09:14
Tomcat_Eh... make that testing.09:14
punkass_oh that..well it would but i am using ndiswrapper for wifi so it is always at 100% 09:14
eazel7ok... I need to cross the fingers, I'd break or fix the system in the next stage09:15
theantix_not all ndiswrapper drivers do that -- my fiancee's shows the real signal strength09:15
matt2Haha I doubt anyone knows, but is there a way to get pokerstars going with wine? There totally is since I got it working in gentoo for a bit, until it decided to break and not work anymore for some reason. Anyways, thought I'd give it a go in ubuntu, same low memory error.. =(09:15
eazel7have you looked at winehq appsdb?09:16
punkass_theantix_: really? i just used the latest version from sourceforge09:17
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punkass_theantix_: does it depend on the inf file?09:18
theantix_punkass_, it might depend on the windows driver... not sure, a dell 1430 card worked fine09:18
punkass_hmm this is on a dell d600 with build in wifi09:18
punkass_its broadcom09:18
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punkass_whoa there is a pile of XP drivers for the d60009:22
joemanybody have trouble with ide devices not being detected?09:23
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jdubdaniels: easy config way to turn off the touchpad?09:31
danielsjdub: on powerbooks? no09:31
danielsjdub: they just appear as a PS/2 mouse from the hardware09:31
jdubno, X300s :-)09:31
danielsso you can't just disable it a la synaptics09:31
jdubpowerbook is easy -> touchpad notap09:31
jdubor whatever it was09:32
danielsthere's a synclient option09:32
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danielsdo synclient -l, and look for it, if you just want it temporarily09:32
danielsit's something obvious, like DisableTouchpad09:32
jdub$ synclient -l09:33
jdubCan't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?09:33
danielsunlike CircularScrollingRadiusFromCornerSeven or whatever09:33
danielsok, edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, and in the Synaptics stanza, put 'Option "SHMConfig" "On"'09:33
danielsor just 'Option "SHMConfig"'09:33
danielsthen restart X, then you can use synclient09:33
danielsyou won't get it disabled this way :\09:33
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jdubso if that's on, someone could actually write a gnomey touchpad configurator?09:34
danielsif it's more important than the gimp splash screen, I could take care of that09:35
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jdub                Option                  "SHMConfig"                            "true"09:40
jdubsynclient TouchpadOff=1 disables the entire thing09:41
jdubbut there are TapButton settings09:41
jdubi'll try those09:41
danielswhat do you want to do, disable touchpad clicks?09:41
danielsyeah, there's an option for that09:41
jdubnow we can make a gnomey thing09:41
danielsand you can throw it in XF86Config-4, too09:41
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danielsmad phat09:42
jdub$ synclient TapButton1=009:42
jdub(and 2 and 3)09:42
danielsdo you want a gnomey configurator?09:42
mdzdaniels: please check out the Re: Login problem thread on ubuntu-users09:43
mdzseems like a problem with autodetection on iMacs with LCDs09:43
jdubdaniels: i might find some spare time to write a pygtk replacement for the mouse thing, that talks to synclient :)09:43
danielsmdz: actually, I suspect the problem is that it's not in xserver-xfree86's whitelist of resolutions09:44
Qo-noSMornin guys/gals...just made some proposals to the Gnome Usability mailing list, feel free to comment, dispense advice or critisize the suggestions where appropriate09:44
Qo-noS> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2004-September/msg00182.html09:44
jdubdaniels: but having that option set ing XF86Config-4 would be worthy09:44
danielsjdub: disabled per default?09:44
jdubdaniels: i mean the config thingy09:44
danielsjdub: (having SHMConfig not there is a bug; I had it set in my initial refactoring)09:44
danielsubuntu22 will take care of Login problem and SHMConfig09:45
danielsmdz: ^^09:45
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jdubmdz: what's ubuntu-base going to be used for, btw?09:47
fabbionedoes anybody remember what's the status for raid6 devices?09:49
fabbioneapparently raidtools2 can't create them09:49
phlaegelfabbione: got a question for you on bug 1390. should it be fixed automatically after installing the updated X packages?09:50
phlaegel1390 == windows key in shortcut problem09:51
joemwhiprush, what was the address for the mplayer/codec debs?09:51
phlaegeljoem: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main09:51
fabbionephlaegel: you will need to restart X09:53
phlaegelwell, yeah, I figured that :-)09:53
phlaegelit's still not working for me though09:53
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mdzjdub: woody->warty post-upgrade tool, universe enabling script, stuff like that09:53
mdzdaniels: great, please follow up09:54
Qo-noSjoem: besides those mplayer .debs, you may also want some real bleeding edge audio, video, burning packages from rarewares as well, just add this repo to your sources.list > 09:54
Qo-noS# RAREWARES MAIN (libvorbis, lame, lame-ha, lame-cvs, lamip, cue2toc, shntool)09:54
Qo-noSdeb http://www.rarewares.org/debian/packages/unstable ./09:54
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Qo-noSBut remember to add these following lines to your /etc/apt/preferences >09:55
Qo-noSPackage: *09:55
Qo-noSPin: release a=experimental09:55
Qo-noSPin-Priority: 10109:55
fabbionephlaegel: i have no way to test that kind of things. they are way too much binded to user environment. feel free to reopen the bug but hounestly i have no idea on how to fix it09:55
Qo-noSthese lines instaed:09:55
Qo-noSPackage: *09:55
Qo-noSPin: release o=xmixahlx09:55
Qo-noSPin-Priority: 90009:55
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qyrll8Hi; I'm having troubles configuring screenbrightness (very dark) on a new install of ubuntu..any ideas? TIA09:56
jdubmdz: ahr, excellent09:57
Keybukqyrll8: if you run xgamma in a terminal, what does it say?09:57
jdubmdz: that upgrade report sounded good09:57
phlaegelfabbione: ok, thanks. I'll look around and see what I can find...09:57
jdubmdz: but now my firewall is mipsel ;)09:57
qyrll8red blue green is all = 1.00009:58
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Keybukqyrll8: if you try upping it with (e.g.) xgamma -gamma 1.5 ... does it get better10:00
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Keybuk(this is just playing with the gamma, not the actual brightness though)10:00
IkeKrullwhats the easiest way to get Xorg 6.8.1 onto ubuntu?10:01
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fabbioneIkeKrull: wait for the packages?10:02
fabbionethey will be part of the next release10:02
IkeKrullbah waiting sucks :)10:02
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sabdflmorning all10:05
fabbioneIkeKrull: there are a lot of things that needs to be changed to switch manually.. 10:05
fabbioneIkeKrull: i am not sure the pain is worth at this point in time.10:06
fabbioneIkeKrull: there are really only a few differences between our Xfree86 tree and X.org10:06
fabbionesabdfl: morning 10:06
sabdflhey fabbione10:06
sabdflanything interesting happen overnight?10:06
qyrll8anyone got good input as to where one finds a utility to control screenbrightness on a toshiba laptop? [note: xgamma does no difference] 10:08
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fabbionesabdfl: oh yeah! my pillow won a couple of rounds during a big fight :-)10:08
IkeKrullfabbione: yeah i'll wait for the packages, just want to mess with transparent windows etc.10:09
beezlyi feel like that too :)10:10
jdubif you mess with them too much10:10
jdubyou'll end up losing them10:10
jdub"where's my window?!"10:10
IkeKrulli can use the directFB server to get transparent windows10:10
IkeKrullthat worked pretty well10:11
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IkeKrullbut font support etc isnt as good as Xorg etc.10:11
jcarniehi folks, i've just switched from a m$ desktop to ubuntu. my onboard sound card has 6 ch audio and  jack sensing. any chance i'll get something like that with ubuntu??10:13
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IkeKrulldepends.. probly not the jack-sensing but ALSA does support multichannel sound cards.. how well would depend on the specific chipset10:14
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joebeastieso how is everyone?10:16
sabdflfabbione: too much information, dude10:17
jcarnierighty oh... just a matter of playing around then.. it does seem to send out the sound on all speakers.. not to the extent it did under xp tho... :(  10:17
sabdfljcarnie: try adjusting all the channels under alsamixer10:17
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highvoltageHi ubuntu ppl10:18
highvoltageI have an urgent question10:19
Hrdwr_BoBhow urgen10:19
joebeastieohh urgent10:19
Hrdwr_BoBwould you say10:19
danielshighvoltage: what's up?10:19
highvoltageHow do I enable the cups web front-end?10:19
jcarnieHEY!! now we're talking... didn't even think to look there.. :) thanks sabdfl.10:19
highvoltageIt says I have to use the configurator in the computer menu10:19
highvoltagebut I want the web interface to work10:19
highvoltagewhat do I do?10:19
joebeastieman cups ?10:20
highvoltageNo manual entry for cups10:20
highvoltageah, there's a cupsd page10:20
danielshighvoltage: um, it should already be listening on port 63110:20
danielsexcept you'll have to edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf and change RunAsUser Yes, to No10:21
danielsI believe10:21
daniels(mdz, smack me down if I'm wrong)10:21
joebeastieah ha10:21
joebeastiefound it for you10:21
danielshighvoltage: bear in mind i's only listening on localhost, though10:21
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danielsoh wow, it looks like you can't do any administration at all -- code patch?10:22
joebeastiedamn. did not realize daniels beat me to it.10:22
sabdflanybody else have a panel splash that sticks around?10:22
highvoltageok. now when I restart cups it said that child exits with code 9810:23
highvoltageyes, I am accessing it with localhost:63110:23
joebeastiehighvoltage: /etc/init.d/cupsd restart10:23
highvoltageBut when I log in it tells me that web administration is disabled10:23
highvoltagejoebeastie: When I do that it says that child exits with code 9810:24
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joebeastiehighvoltage: sudo /etc/init.d/cupsd restart10:24
highvoltageI can try that, even though I'm root already :)10:24
joebeastieyou enabled root on your ubuntu box?10:25
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highvoltageshould it be /etc/init.d/cupsd? In debian it's cupsys (and ubuntu)10:25
joebeastiei guessed without looking. ;)10:25
highvoltageI booted from knoppix and chrooted to change my root passwd10:25
highvoltageonly after that I read the FAQ and found out about the sudo thing10:26
joebeastiei think you voided your warranty and waivered all support ;P10:26
highvoltageah crap10:26
highvoltageok. I'll email it to someone else and they can print it :)10:26
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topylihighvoltage: oh you have a root password! what is it? :)10:27
highvoltageOk. seriously though, I'll read some documentation when I have time later and bother you again later10:27
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highvoltage(yeah sure)10:27
topyli-click- click- not anymore =)10:27
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topylihow big can a mbox file be before it's impractical?10:38
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crimsunpretty darned large10:40
crimsuni b{un}zip2 mine as necessary10:41
topylii have about 3000 messages in a mysql database, i'd like to import them to evolution because its search tool is so cool these days. they'd all go into the "gnome" folder.10:42
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ondrejjdub: I am going to investigate Gnome BT Downloader as it is mentioned on Bounties page.  who I may talk about it afterwards?11:00
Treenaksgnome bt downloader?11:00
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ondrejit's bittorrent ui from gnome11:01
Treenaksah bittorrent, not bluetooth :)11:01
Treenaksondrej: stupid question, but which Bounties page?11:02
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Treenaksah, I see11:04
jonomorning all11:06
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beezlymorning jono11:06
jonohi beezly11:06
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joembeen there11:07
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krischanJust made my way through the installation. It was rather painless, I am impressed.11:13
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krischanMy first question: Why is root account disabled by default? I find it to be confusing that SuperUser and my user do have the same password. Isn't that a little unsafe?11:14
Keybukthey don't ... sudo just asks for your password, if you set a root password it would still ask for yours11:15
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krischanYes, although something I'm not used to: sudo is already configured. On my old distro I always wanted to configure it, but never came around to it.11:17
krischanWell, but the point is: some graphical configuration tools ask for root password, and there my user password is accepted. Isn't that strange?11:18
Maydayit uses sudo11:19
krischanMayday, my thought as well.11:20
Maydayto gain root and not su, moste graphical applications is modified to use gksudo instead of gksu11:20
Kamionkrischan: if they explicitly say "root password", please file a bug; they should mostly say something like "please enter your password to gain root access"11:20
Maydayif i understand it correctly that is11:20
KamionMayday: correct11:20
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krischanI'd like to know: do you (all) feel comfortable with this pre-configured sudo mechanisms? It give me a little the feeling of "I don't know what's happening around me".11:21
joemwhat else besides some basic ide modules would be needed for ubuntu to detect my cdroms11:21
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krischanKamion, I'll check it to be certain ...11:21
LoweOne thing i notice when i change an app to open with gksudo it always goes back to gksu when i reboot.11:22
Kamionjoem: hopefully nothing, the installer should have everything it needs in the initrd ...11:23
lmlI am trying to install Ubuntu, but is expirencing a problem. I am booting from the CD media I have downloaded fine, but after I have selected the language it tells me it is impossible to mount the CD? Any ideas?11:23
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pisukegoing from sid to slackware and back to ubuntu, I feel at home again. thanks to all the ubuntu staff and comunity.11:23
joemKamion, it didn't..I used net install and have an sata hard disk if that would effect it11:23
krischanOkay, one example: "Please enter your password to run gdmsetup as user root". Kamion, I guess that's how you thought it.11:23
Kamionjoem: entirely possible. what chipset?11:23
Kamionkrischan: right, that's fine I think11:24
joemnot sure of the number, something similar11:25
Kamionjoem: hm, I have some discover1 patches queued for i915, may be similar11:25
Kamionjoem: do you have a full Linux installation elsewhere on that box?11:25
joemI did at one point11:25
joemnot at the moment though, besides this one11:25
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Kamionjoem: ok, please switch to tty2 and type 'cut -f1,2 /proc/bus/pci/devices'11:26
Kamionjoem: mail that to me (cjwatson@canonical.com)11:26
joemI couldn't install from the normal cd because it couldn't detect a common cdrom11:26
Kamionjoem: you'll have to transcribe it I'm afraid, but it's not too long11:26
joemI have a full ubuntu install, just doesn't detect the ide stuff11:27
Kamionjoem: if you have a full Ubuntu install on the same machine, mail me the output of 'lspci' and 'lspci -n'11:27
joemit is actually on a bug, let me get the number11:27
Kamionoh, you've already done that? ok ...11:27
joemits assigned to you actually11:28
Kamionoh, that was the mad one I couldn't figure out11:29
joemsame here11:29
Kamionyou must be in expert mode or something to even see the message about those irrelevant modules11:29
joemyea I tried every mode I could11:29
Kamionit's normally hidden due to being, well, irrelevant11:30
Kamionjoem: does 'lsmod' display ata_piix?11:30
joemide_cs ide_generic ide_cd  cdrom ide_disk ide_core are other modules I have loaded, but still doesn't show up in /dev11:31
krischanAnother question: I've read that using Debian packages for installing at Ubuntu is generally not a good idea, because they have been compiled on another platform. Strictly seen, does that mean that I can't make use of the many Debian packages that are there? Do I have to wait until somebody offers a desired software as Ubuntu package?11:31
Kamionkrischan: that's what the 'universe' component is for (unsupported, though)11:32
Kamionkrischan: it's basically Debian compiled against Ubuntu11:32
Kamionjoem: any relevant errors in /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog?11:32
jonoheya Kamion11:32
Kamionata_piix should be your ATA controller11:33
Kamionhi jono11:33
jonohows things this morning?11:33
Kamiontired :)11:33
jonotell me about it11:33
Kamionneed to pack for Oldenburg fairly urgently11:33
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joemthe only thing in messages really is PCI: Ignoring BAR0-3 of IDE controller 0000:00:1f.211:35
joemand the standard E-IDE driver loading and setting the bus speed11:35
jonois there likely to be a solution for the ctrl-click issue on PPC?11:35
joemoh there is this in syslog:11:36
joemde0: I/O resource 0x1F0-0x1F7 not free.11:36
joemSep 23 07:29:30 localhost kernel: ide0: ports already in use, skipping probe11:36
joemthen the same for ide111:36
krischanKamion, I see, I have to make myself familiar with these main/restricted/universe components, thanks for the hint.11:37
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jonojdub, ping11:41
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TongMasterheya hypatia11:47
AndyFitzwrong url there11:47
AndyFitzsorry wrong chat tab :-/11:49
AndyFitztelling scribus devs about ubuntu11:49
AndyFitzaccidentally send ubuntu-linux.org before11:49
hypatiahey TongMaster11:50
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Lowewhat the hell i still have 325mb of upgrades11:55
Kamionjoem: hm, possible, I've stuck that in the bug11:55
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cheitozz_hay alguien que hable espaol?12:01
crimsunsolamente ingles, lo siento12:01
cheitozz_solamente ingles, tu o el canal?12:02
crimsunreally, i'm not fluent12:03
crimsunso i have to stick w/ English12:03
pisukecheitozz_, yo soy espaol :)12:03
cheitozz_pisuke hola12:03
cheitozz_aki se puede hablar tb en espaol o esta prohibido?12:03
pisukesupongo que no sera lo correcto12:04
pisukesi es muy largo12:04
pisukedame un privado12:04
cheitozz_es que yo de ingles estoy penco total12:04
cheitozz_es para que me cuente algo sobre ubuntu12:04
cheitozz_yo uso guadalinex12:04
cheitozz_y me interesa ubuntu12:04
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pisukeyo no he usado guadalinex12:05
pisukepero ubunto mola bastante. es sid estabilizado cada 6 meses12:05
Loweanyone know why my mplayer isn't going fullscreen? well it is but it's only showing a tiny window12:05
petemc -fs -zoom12:05
cheitozz_sus repositorios son de sid oficiales?12:05
moyogoLowe: use -vo xv12:05
Lowebut im using the gui >_>12:05
pisukeno exactamente. se toma un snapshot de sid y se estabiliza12:06
moyogoLowe: edit your /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf12:06
cheitozz_luego para upgradearlo?12:06
moyogoLowe: change the video output to xv12:06
pisukecheitozz_, apt-get igual que debian. los repositorios son: main restricted universe 12:07
pisukeen universe esta lo que se va portando de sid12:07
pisukepara que funcione en ubuntu12:07
Lowethat worked thanks12:07
pisukecheitozz_, en total hay 13800 paquetes12:08
moyogoLowe: no prob12:08
truk-zzzcheitozz_: http://mercurio.homeip.net/blog/32/ y http://mercurio.homeip.net/blog/31/12:08
truk-zzzlee eso, est en castellano y explca bastante de ubuntu12:08
cheitozz_y.. tiene mirasmuchas gracias12:08
cheitozz_y tiene miras de seguir mucho en el tiempo?12:08
truk-zzzcheitozz_: lee eso, luego si tienes dudas preguntas12:09
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cheitozz_por cierto tendre que aprender ingles12:10
truk-zzzor go #ubuntu-es to speak in spanish :P12:10
truk-zzzi'm alone there12:10
hypatiait might be worth advertising the presence of non-English support channels12:11
hypatiaon the wiki or something12:11
truk-zzzhypatia: i agree12:11
truk-zzzspanish one could be ubuntu-es12:11
ondrejseb128: python-glade2 is not in main, any reason for this?12:12
hypatiaUnfortunately they've moved it onto the webpage: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/12:12
cheitozz_pisuke vente a abuntu-es12:13
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seb128ondrej: it's probably missing on the seed12:16
dcrm-libraare there any cd covers for ubuntu?12:16
seb128ondrej: but we have python2.3-glade2, only the dummy package is missing12:16
hypatiaHmm, lists.ubuntu.com is down :)12:18
hypatiaI notice this only because miraculously my -users message didn't return to me almost instantly12:19
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thomyeah, being rebooted onto new kernel12:20
jdubjono: pong12:23
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jonojdub, I am gonna mail these questions now - if you could get them back ASAP I would be grateful - I am reviewing Ubuntu now :)12:24
fabbionehey enrico !12:25
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enricofabbione: ciao!12:27
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jonojdub, sent :)12:29
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ondrejseb128: I am working on GNOME UI BitTorrent Bounty, you know :-)12:34
seb128I've seen your name on the lastest changes on wiki :)12:34
cardadorhello. i am on a network group at my work, and ive put my workgroup name in network settings. but when i go yo computer -> network, the computers that show up belong to the workgroup "WORKGROUP" and to to mine. any clues?12:37
cardadorand not to mine*12:38
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cardadorill ask again, maybe now someone can help me out12:52
cardadorhello. i am on a network group at my work, and ive put my workgroup name in network settings. but when i go to computer -> network, the computers that show up belong to the workgroup "WORKGROUP" and not to mine. any clues?12:52
sabdfljdub: is the gnome splash screen supposed to hang around after login?12:55
jdubsabdfl: no, that's a very hard to track down session bug12:55
jdubsabdfl: can you mail me your ~/.gnome2/session file?12:55
seb128probably a program not registering in the right way to the session12:56
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jdubseb128: some crack from universe ;)12:56
seb128jdub: yeah ...12:57
mjg59Wasn't there a flag to make it make the splash screen time out faster?12:57
seb128there is a timeout12:57
ondrejjdub: I am working on GNOME UI BitTorrent Bounty; who I am supposed to contact with result?12:57
sabdfljdub: 2nd mail should have it12:58
jdubondrej: sabdfl can help with that :)12:58
jdubsabdfl: evo will soon have a thingy to warn you about no attachments if you've mentioned attachments ;)12:59
sabdflondrej: i'd be happy for me, jdub, seb128, jamesh or any of our other gnome-friendly guys to mentor you through it12:59
sabdfljdub: sheesh, you;d think they'd already have that in "mail" too :-)01:00
jdubwhat do you think about "MY LAPTOP <hearts> UBUNTU" stickers? ;-)01:01
Mithrandirjdub: sounds nice.  But I want nice and cozy ubuntu t-shirts and sweaters.01:02
jdubMithrandir: there's going to be a comp! :)01:02
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jdubback soon01:03
Mithrandirhoodies would be nice.01:03
ondrejsabdfl: I looked at gnome-btdownload project mentioned in Wiki page.  It looks good, except it uses FileChooserDialog from not-released pygtk.  So I hacked it to use FileChooserDialog if available and in other cases use FileSelection (and bit of other tweaking to hide differences in UI).  Also I have fixed searching for glade files, which was using hardcoded paths.  So what now?  Is there some requirements on BitTorrent UI?01:03
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Ycrosjdub, so is there like an ubuntu mascot?01:03
maswanMithrandir: there, finally I'm managing to burn a cd. took a while to get a working device or so.01:04
Mithrandirmaswan: attacking ravel now?01:04
sabdflYcros: in the short term, a WARTHOG!01:05
Ycrosthat's just a release thing though isn't it?01:05
maswanMithrandir: That's the plan, in a few minutes anyway.01:06
MithrandirYcros: no, it's a bit bigger than that01:06
Mithrandirmaswan: ook, wiping out people's ~?01:06
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fabbionesabdfl: do you want to answer to that bug? ;)01:07
fabbionesabdfl: or can i leave it open for the glory?01:07
sabdflondrej: i think what we want is something that will (a) Just Work when you click on a torrent link in firefox or epiphany, (b) something that Looks Good, and by good we mean Gnome HIG compliant, simply, classy icons. It should also be easily usable, listing all downloads in progress, and completed, and items being pushed. Does yours do that?01:07
sabdflYcros: yes, its the first release. the next would be a hedgehog. we have the "three people logo"01:08
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sabdflfabbione: would make a good item in your .sig :-)01:08
sabdflwell done!01:09
fabbionesabdfl: for our team :-)01:09
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Mithrandirfabbione: great work!01:10
ondrejsabdfl: will check that and report result...01:11
ondrejI think it needs updating to new MIME system in 2.801:11
fabbioneMithrandir: :-))01:11
topyliwill evolution explode if i import an mbox of about 3300 messages to a single folder? :)01:13
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Treenakstopyli: no01:14
Treenakstopyli: it'll just take ages01:14
topylilets see01:14
emaI've tried to subscribe to ubuntu-devel without luck01:14
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emaany suggestion?01:14
Treenakstopyli: I'll watch for a mushroom clound to the north-east01:15
topyliit's 19 meg01:15
Treenaksema: did you see the confirmation message?01:15
Treenakstopyli: that's nothing, I imported a 500M IMAP box01:15
emaTreenaks: yes, but I did not received the confirm email01:15
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Treenaksema: well, you should look for the cause of that then01:16
hypatiaThe lists.ubuntu.com server is down at the moment01:16
Treenaksthat'd explain it01:16
hypatiaema: If you tried to subscribe just now, that might be why the mail didn't come through01:16
emaTreenaks: well, I've not got problems with email01:17
emahypatia: I tried two times, the first one two days ago01:17
topylihm. not successful, it only brought in about 80 messages :(01:17
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topylioh, it did get 3398 messages. it just marked 84 'unread' :)01:18
topyliyou've got mail =)01:19
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topylimbox2mysql got all the attachments to separate files :/01:20
TreenaksI can't change the artist/track names on mp3 files..01:21
Treenaksusing rhythmbox01:21
seb128rhythmbox doesn't edit tags for the moment01:22
topyliuse easytag01:22
Treenakstopyli: I've shell-scripted something, that's not the problem01:22
Treenaksbut it looks like it should be able to edit (the edit-boxes are not 01:22
topyliyeah, and it really _should_ be able to do it. the need for a separate app is annoying.01:23
topylimy "empty" trash has "28 items" :)01:25
maswanMithrandir: Nope, the plan is to keep both that and the chroots.01:28
maswanMithrandir: To be sure, I'm going to install with out the current $HOME-disk plugged in. :)01:28
Mithrandirmaswan: ok, goodie01:29
Mithrandirmaswan: you mean plugged in or typo?01:29
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jcarniehi all, i've just installed mplayer as per someone's instructions earlier.... the good news is it plays both mpg and avi.. :) bad news is i get the following error constantly whilst any dialog is going on....  "alsa-control: mixer attach /dev/mixer error: No such file or directory.  sound DOES work.. i just keep getting the above dialog box flashing over everything.  any help??01:32
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Sirius_Blackany grub gurus here?01:37
ondrejwhere can I find some info on GNOME MIME database?01:37
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Sirius_Blacki wanna know what is grub equivalent of lilo's append = "hdc=ide-scsi"01:38
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ondrejSirius_Black: do you have standard install of grub (ie. ubuntu)?01:39
truk-zzzSirius_Black: 2.6 can write cd's without scsi emulation01:39
Sirius_Blackondrej: yeah i have01:39
Sirius_Blacktruk-zzz: o know01:39
ondrejSirius_Black: search for kopt in /boot/grub/menu.lst01:39
Sirius_Blacki have more than one linux on my machine01:39
Sirius_Blackone of them is 1.4.2101:39
truk-zzzok, so in /boot/grub/menu.lst01:40
ondrejf.e. I have: # kopt=root=/dev/hda2 ro nolapic01:40
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ondrejafter adding your changes you have to run update-grub command, and that's all01:40
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ondrejBut it does apply for all kernels...  if you want to have different entries for each kernel, you have to add manual entry for that kernel01:42
Sirius_Blackondrej: i know that01:42
Sirius_Blackand i have done that01:42
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Sirius_Blackand i just want to know how does grub tell 2.4.21. kernel to make sure that hdc is ide-scsi01:43
Sirius_Blackthat's all01:43
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thomit sticks it on the end of the kernel command line01:44
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lowe_stupid ghost!01:45
ondrejsabdfl: do you think that this application should have one common windows with simple list of bittorrent downloads (like firefox download window) or separate window for each download (like IE)? This application is made in second style, but I could imagine, that having single simple window with ability to open detailed view would be better.01:46
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topylithere are no ghosts really lowe_01:47
lowe_I mean my ghost Lowe01:49
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topylioh my. it's there all right :)01:50
lowe_how do i get rid of it? wait01:50
Treenakslowe_: or you chould have registered the name with nickserv, and used /msg nickserv ghost01:53
topylican't someone kick it?01:53
lowe_Why is there no ops in here anyway01:53
Treenakstopyli: kicking won't work.. it has to be killed01:54
hypatiathey probably could, but it needs to be kicked off the entire server before he can use the nick01:54
thomtopyli: no, because that doesn't remove it from the network, so the nick is still in use01:54
thomlowe_: why do you want ops?01:54
lowe_I was just wondering01:54
thomthere are people registered with chanserv so if necessary it's doable01:54
thomjust unnecessary to day to day channel usage :-)01:55
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hypatiaI can't remember the last time I saw someone use ops on freenode01:55
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hypatiaoh yeah I can. #twisted people will kick you if you say "lol"01:55
thomseems fair01:55
Treenakshypatia: lol :P01:56
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lowe_you see my mum is doing the hall, new carpet and stuff and she has pulled the cable out a few times, that's why i get that gay ghost. -_-01:56
Treenakslowe_: it'll time out eventually01:56
Treenakslowe_: /ping it :)01:56
stevedeo6:00AM. Can't sleep. Time to blow away my sid install and put ubuntu on here, I guess.01:57
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lowe_Is gentoo really hard to install? i have a spare machine i was wanting to install it on.01:58
_Hiro_no it's a breeze01:59
[Bas] installing gentoo is a piece of cake indeed, maintaining it is another point01:59
lowe_hmm well people say i need to have a good understanding of most commands before installing02:00
_Hiro_don't you need that with any linux system? :/02:00
lowe_Not really, i have managed to get quite far without knowing many.02:01
lowe_Really should buy some books though.02:01
_Hiro_it's not fancy.. fdisk, partition creation, mouting and stuff :)02:01
jscthe install docs for gentoo are very good02:01
jscfairly easy to follow02:01
lowe_I will print them out tonight, and see how i feel.02:02
_Hiro_it's what you'd need to know to install windows 2000 for instance (except for the mounting)02:02
jscyoull learn alot too02:02
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Loweman it's so cold today02:03
moyogoanyone tried realplayer 10 on ubuntu/02:03
Loweoh god not real player02:04
Lowerealplayer is spyware for linux lol02:04
moyogoLowe: hehe, there are some radio's and other medias i like to listen to that are only real02:04
Loweoh well02:04
LoweDoes it still have those annoying ads?02:04
[Bas] realplayer 10 works fine here on ubuntu02:04
moyogo[Bas] : how about it's interaction with firefox02:05
moyogo[Bas] : my firefox keep refusing to open/save .ra or .ram 02:05
[Bas] hmm haven't tried that let me see02:06
hypatiaLowe: register your nick with nickserv now, so you can recover it next time :)02:06
moyogo[Bas] : it only keep a temp copy while the open/save dialog is open02:06
moyogomaybe it's a mime problem i have, but i don't know much about that02:07
moyogoand firefox filetypes preferences don't show any .ra nor .ram02:07
[Bas] the OK button is disabled indeed, weird02:07
moyogo[Bas] : rather annoying, eh02:08
Lowe< doesn't know what nickserv is :(02:09
TreenaksLowe: /msg nickserv help02:09
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moyogo[Bas] : at least, the plugin works02:11
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glensAnyone tried installing equivs?  It keeps getting stuck at 99% for me.02:11
Lowealright i got to the pasword bit it says type register then my pasword and i get unknown command :(02:11
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Loweok it worked02:13
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gnetoAnybody knows a way to get newly installed programs to show up in the foot menu or other place ?02:16
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Treenaksgneto: drag them there?02:17
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Tsjoklathey pitti02:18
gnetoTreenaks: From where ?02:18
pittiTsjoklat: Hi!02:18
Treenaksgneto: what did you install02:18
Tsjoklathi :)02:18
pittiTsjoklat: you was the guy with the 24 hour CD download?02:18
Tsjoklat47 hours02:18
gnetoTreenaks, a lot of stuff via synaptic. Some show up but not all02:18
pittiis it finished now?02:18
Tsjoklatjust details :P02:18
Tsjoklatam on Ubuntu now :)02:19
TreenaksTsjoklat: and? :)02:19
pittiTsjoklat: did the installation work?02:19
Tsjoklatbesides a few minor issues I am over the moon02:19
Tsjoklatyes installation worked.. amazingly fast too02:19
pittiTsjoklat: can you submit/followup to bugs for the minor issues?02:19
Tsjoklatext3 is not know though... can't mount window drives and properties on mp3s are busted02:20
pittiTsjoklat: what do you mean by "ext3 is not known"?02:20
Tsjoklatwhen I type mount it says type unknow02:21
stevedeoIs there any chance I can just replace my sid sources.list and do an `apt-get dist-upgrade'? Probably not, hey? :)02:21
Tsjoklat/dev/hdb1 on / type unknown (rw,errors=remount-ro)02:21
Tsjoklatbut I checked with Knoppix.. it is ext302:21
mjg59Tsjoklat: Yes, the root filesystem will be marked unknown in mtab02:21
pittistevedeo: probably it will fail because we have different libraries and "older" versions02:21
mjg59It's because of the way rootfs works02:22
Tsjoklatwhy is that mjg?02:22
mjg59The kernel uses a special rootfs filesystem for /02:22
Tsjoklatsomething new?02:22
mjg59It's because it's mounted by the kernel rather than going through mount02:22
Tsjoklatis there a boot option to turn off devfs by default?02:23
Treenaksmjg59: unless you pivot_root...02:23
mjg59Treenaks: Yeah02:23
mjg59Tsjoklat: devfs=nomount, I think02:23
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TsjoklatI can try that02:23
Tsjoklatso.. why can't I when I am in nautilus click on C and get my window drive to show up?02:24
Tsjoklatit says it's 'busy'02:24
Lowemaybe it's cooking a pie :p02:24
Tsjoklatlol Lowe :P02:24
Tsjoklatwell what really bothers me a lot is this:02:25
TsjoklatI right click on an mp302:25
Tsjoklatgo to properties02:25
Tsjoklattab audio/video and this what I get:02:25
TsjoklatThere was an error while trying to create the view named `Audio/Video': System exception: IDL:omg.org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.002:26
Loweyeah i get that too02:26
Tsjoklatyou do?02:26
mjg59Tsjoklat: Can you check bugzilla.ubuntu.com and see if there's already a bug about that?02:26
Tsjoklatsubterrific didn't lol.. felt so alone02:26
LoweWhat exactly is in the audio/video tab anyway?02:27
Tsjoklatfor totem I think?02:27
Tsjoklatloading mjg02:27
Tsjoklathow do I check it?02:27
Tsjoklatshouldn't I use the bug report tool?02:28
TsjoklatI am not very familair with bugzilla02:28
mjg59Ah, then just use the bug report tool02:28
Tsjoklatah okay, I tried a search for audio tab but it wouldn't let me02:29
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Tsjoklatand a tiny question.. my trashcan is totally squased in the bar.. how do I get it to show up normal size?02:29
Tsjoklatheya housetier02:29
Loweaha i finally found the advanced tab, ubuntu hid the gnome control center02:31
Tsjoklatmjg looks like more ppl have found the audio tab to be amiss02:31
Tsjoklatfor what do you need the advanced tab Lowe?02:31
Lowei just need it 02:31
Loweto feel complete02:31
Tsjoklatwhat does it do?02:32
Tsjoklatdidn't miss it yet lol02:32
Loweit's still missing stuff that's supposed to be there02:33
TsjoklatI am only hoping gtktalog shows up soon.. can't live without that02:33
Tsjoklatis your trash looking fine Lowe?02:33
Tsjoklatit looks okay when I pick Gnome icon set but when I pick Industrial it becomes a very minime trash02:33
Lowedunno i downloaded the GNAT icons or whatever they are called02:34
Tsjoklatand they show up fine as trashcan in the bar?02:34
Tsjoklatmy trashcan looks really pathetic lol02:34
Tsjoklatit resembles more of a turd then a trashcan02:35
krischanpeople, I just came across the following line when I typed "mount" into the command line: "/dev/hdd4 on / type unknown (rw,errors=remount-ro)"02:36
Tsjoklatit suppose to be normal krischan02:36
krischanfyi, hdd4 is where my Linux is installed on.02:36
Tsjoklataccording to mjg02:36
TsjoklatI had the same question02:36
krischanHow can it be "type unknown"?02:36
mjg59krischan: Yeah, that's normal02:36
mjg59It's because / is mounted by the kernel, not userspace02:37
mjg59And mtab is kept up to date by userspace, not the kernel02:37
krischanOh, I see. Interesting detail. As far as I remember this didn't print under Fedora, where I come from. (I use Ubuntu since yesterday evening :)02:38
mjg59It's cosmetic rather than anything else - if you check /proc/mounts (which is kept up to date by the kernel) it'll tell you what filesystem is being used02:39
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krischanAnother question: I still have two partitions left to mount (permanently). One is my old /home (at the moment I still work without my old data) and the other a FAT partition with music and video stuff. At my first Ubuntu install, I mounted the FAT partition during install. Result was:02:43
krischanFirst time Ubuntu booted up, it took ages because there were many messages about corrupted blocks, truncated blocks occuring on the FAT partition. Would you recommend to check the FAT's filesystem somehow before I mount it?02:45
Lowelol>(13:44:28) cid_designs: quite near, but that's not why it's cold. Every door and window is open02:45
Lowe(13:44:48) backward_link_bomb: you house sounds like a windows box02:45
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mjg59krischan: It probably shouldn't be trying to fsck the FAT partitions. It sounds like it generally gets things wrong.02:50
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krischanmjg59, would you recommend a fsck on that partition in general?02:51
krischanNever done this before, under Fedora no problem like that ever occured.02:51
mjg59krischan: What I'd recommend (and I'm not really a Ubuntu developer :) ) is that you edit /etc/fstab and change the pass field to 0 for the fat partitions02:53
mjg59That'll stop them being fscked02:53
moyogokrischan: did you just do a fresh install off of the cd?02:58
moyogokrischan: i had the same issue, changing the 2 into 0 in /etc/fstab for my fat partition worked02:59
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interohei Mithrandir 03:02
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QerubHow is Canonical Software supposed to earn money? :)03:06
Lowemy friend asked me to ask you lot a question so here it is03:06
Muttley1) Release 2) Market 3) ??? 4) Profit   ;)03:06
Lowe(14:06:10) backward_link_bomb: on a server a web server there a geographic number that represents its position in the world03:06
Lowe(14:06:20) backward_link_bomb: is there a port on the server for this03:06
Lowe(14:06:28) backward_link_bomb: or a packet request03:06
QerubMuttley: Aha! :)03:07
QerubLowe: Eh?03:07
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Treenaksyes, the "LOC" DNS record...03:15
Treenaksbut it's not widespread03:15
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T-Bonesabdfl: you around?03:18
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jdubsabdfl: ping03:25
jdubyo mako_ 03:25
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ulmenhow do i switch back to firefox 0.9* after dist-upgrading to the 1.0Pre? can i do so without downloading the .deb manually?03:25
jdubulmen: it might be in your apt cache03:26
jdubcheck under,03:26
thomulmen: problems with 1.0?03:26
moyogoulmen: it's on the cd too03:26
ulmenthom: yes, no extensions are installable and seems to be unstable03:26
thomulmen: if so, please file bugs03:27
ulmenjdub: okay thank you, there it is =)03:27
thomi'm in the midst of testing currently03:27
ulmenthom: hm the crashes are not reproduceable ...03:28
ulmenand the extension ... absolutly no idea why they won't install ...03:28
ulmeni've whitelisted the site03:28
thomtell me which extensions please, and from where03:28
thomso i can test, also03:28
Tsjoklatargh my poor trashcan03:29
ulmenthom: i click on the "Install Now" link, the extensions window opens and ... nothing happes ..03:29
cbaothFind in the 1.0pr package is b0rked.03:29
thomcbaoth: yup03:30
thomcbaoth: already a bug filed on that03:30
ulmenthom: this is with every extension ... but adblock is one of the few i really want/need ;)03:30
sabdfljdub: pong03:31
sabdflT-Bone: now03:32
Lowemy find is fine *yawn*03:32
Lowewhy do people have all these problems lol. I'm just glad i don't..03:32
thomok, they're problems with our package. joy03:34
thom(i can't reproduce with the binary from moz.org)03:34
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pisukehi. I blacklisted a module in hotplug, but it keeps loading03:35
cbaothBlacklist in discover.conf too.03:36
pisukeok. thx03:36
Tsjoklatvsftpd is in the list! weeee03:36
pisukeslackware 10 just used hotplug03:36
pisukefor device detection03:36
Treenaksthom: I have a working SuSE version of PR1 (which I apt-got from ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt)03:37
Tsjoklatevo is nice, didn't think it would be this nice03:37
TreenaksTsjoklat: speaking of Evo.. I need to file a bug on it about ipv603:38
Tsjoklatglad I reminded you lol03:38
LoweIS there actually a decent ftp server for just sharing mp3 files with friends?03:39
thomhmm. see, my problem with evo is "it's not mutt". same goes for just about anything :-)03:39
Lowelike BPFTP server for windows03:39
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Keybukthe one reserved for KDE users and people who like mutt03:39
mjg59Bah. mutt is lovely.03:39
TreenaksLowe: just torrent them on a private tracker :)03:39
mjg59So is Evolution.03:39
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Tsjoklatnever tried mutt03:40
thomKeybuk: i'm only going if i get knocked out by being snogged by some cute thing called safron03:40
Tsjoklatwas thinking of trying thunderbird though03:40
Tsjoklatjust to see it03:40
Keybukthom: heh03:40
TsjoklatI am so impressed with Ubuntu that I installed in on all my five computers03:41
LoweIt's not exactly convient.03:42
LoweI just want to run a nice ftp server, but there is none for really private servers.03:42
TreenaksLowe: put them on a private webserver?03:42
Loweagain it's not exactly convient.03:43
LoweI downloaded gproftpd a gui frontend, it seems alright but you can't like choose what folders someone can download from.03:43
Lowechat is dead03:48
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truk-zzzyou can, lowe03:50
truk-zzzwith perms, groups and users03:50
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truk-zzzbut better read a manual about it first, if you don't know how to do it03:50
falkrynhi, I've been running apt-get update and upgrade lately, and see a ton of changes on a daily basis (not a bad thing ;-)  Is there a public changelog anywhere though03:51
LoweSuch a hassle03:51
LoweIn BPFTP server you could just share directorys like uhm a p2p03:51
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aethyrjdub: this might be useful to post in the thread on desktop-wide profiling, http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guile-gtk-general/2004-05/msg00020.html04:03
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Tsjoklathi phloww04:19
bigboyhello ubuntu users04:19
jdubhello bigboy 04:19
jdub[ that sounds vaguely rude ;-) ] 04:20
bigboyi installed Ubuntu preview a couple of days ago and find that it will be fine linux distro04:22
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JanneMwhat is the status on using ubuntu on an 12" iBook? notable successes or failures?04:22
jdubJanneM: should be pretty good04:22
jdubJanneM: modulo wifi support :|04:22
JanneMI just noticed that those machines are pretty cheap nowadays04:22
JanneMwell, wifi is an ongoing litany04:23
JanneMwas thinking of getting one to dual-boot, actually04:23
jdubi'd suggest osx first ;)04:24
JanneMthe point of buying another machine is to play with ubuntu (and other linux distros)04:24
phlowwso, i need some help here please ;)04:24
JanneMso it'd be dual-booted if I get it at all04:25
JanneMphloww: fire away!04:25
phlowwi changed the rootpass with sudo passwd root, but if i do sudo <anyrootcommand> and i am prompted for the rootpass its still my userpass04:26
phlowwand not the rootpass i set before04:26
Kinnisonsudo uses the user password04:26
phlowwoh ;) kay04:26
Kinnisonif you want to have to enter the root password use 'su' not 'sudo'04:26
JanneMsudo checks that the person sitting in front of the machine is the one that is logged in04:26
JanneMyou already have permission to do stuff as root - you just have to confirm that you are, well, you04:27
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phlowwso every user can do root-commands with sudo? or is there a group the user hast to belong ?04:29
Kinnisonthe file /etc/sudoers controls access to sudo04:29
JanneMonly the first created user04:29
JanneMby default04:29
Kinnisonin Ubuntu; the first user is added to /etc/sudoers by default04:29
phlowwthanx for help, never used sudo before...04:30
phlowwone more happy ubuntu user ;)04:30
jdubphloww: now you should disable your root password again :)04:31
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jdubphloww: sudo passwd -d root04:31
phlowwnice concept not using root at all.04:32
Dr_Willisof coruse if ya get a command you need thts not on the 'sudo' allow list. you may need to renable roots password right?04:32
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Dr_Willisor do ya just let ALL commands be su-do able.04:32
Maydaywhat is the font called that is used in the gtk2 theme?04:32
mxpxpodjdub: do you guys have a *mm maintainer?04:34
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cbaoth@find opengl04:34
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Mithrandircbaoth: xlibmesa-gl?04:35
flexhi, i compiled new kernel and got "unable to mount root fs on uknown-blok (0, 0)", i'm googling all day and found nothing usefull04:36
Kinnisonflex: Did you forget to make an initrd for your kernel?04:37
flexwell i made initrd but got another kernel panic04:37
flexcannot open /dev/console : no such file ...04:37
Nonphasisanyone using eclipse on ubuntu?04:38
Kinnisontry installing the 'kernel-package' package and using the 'make-kpkg' tool to compile your kernel into a .deb04:38
Kinnisonthat may help04:38
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flexok i made that too but it shows the same04:39
Tsjoklatbuilding kernels in Deb rocks04:39
Nonphasiscannot open console is a botch in kernel config04:39
flexhowto make initrd file with make-kpkg ?04:39
thomhrm, i'm now very bored of building firefox04:40
Mithrandirmake-kpkg --initrd kernel-image04:40
thomflex: --initrd04:40
Mithrandirthom: get yourself a faster computer. :P04:40
thomMithrandir: i think 04:40
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thomi could have a multi THz computer and g++ would still be slow04:41
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Mithrandirthom: ccache?04:41
flexnow tells me cannot find /lib/modules/ file and kernel panic04:41
thomMithrandir: does it work with g++ ? man page doesn't say04:41
Kinnisonthom: Using ccache ?04:42
Kinnisonaah yes it should04:42
Tsjoklatdid you use fakeroot?04:42
Mithrandirthom: I think so.04:43
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axe9I'm getting pissed04:48
axe9My hard drive is now totally dead.04:48
axe9Hey, how do I access system BIOS?04:48
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srbakerso ubuntu installed perfectly on my tecra 810004:52
srbakerbut it's slow as fuck.04:52
srbakerand booting is slow, too04:52
srbakeractually, it's mostly booting that's slow04:52
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srbakerubuntu takes more than 4 minutes to get to "* Starting Gnome Display Manager"04:55
srbakerthat *can't* be right04:55
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elimwhat is the spec of the pc/mac?04:59
srbakerp3-750 128M04:59
srbakerit's a notebook04:59
srbakertoshiba tecra 810004:59
mxpxpodtseng: ping05:01
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srbakerdebian sarge and fedora core 2 both boot fine on this, btw05:03
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Nonphasissrbaker, what is slow? every phase in bootup? kernel load?05:03
cheitozz_is possible install kde in ubuntu?05:04
srbakerNonphasis, everything05:04
srbakercheitozz_, it's in universe.  i'm not sure if it's a good idea, tho :P05:04
Dr_Willistrivially easy :P I did it the other day05:04
Nonphasissrbaker, weird05:04
LoweI don't understand why people install linux on low powered laptops *sigh*05:04
Dr_Willisat least I think it was in ubuntu :P05:04
Dr_Willisapt-get update , apt-get install kde05:04
Nonphasisi tried installing kde festerday05:04
srbakerLowe, i'm getting more ram for it.  but don't tell me that p3-750 is low powered05:04
Dr_Willisit may of been in 'userlinux' however. ive been trying both out this week.05:04
Nonphasisremoved it immediately, it seemed quite broken05:05
srbakeri have a p3-700 that screams with debian.05:05
cheitozz_srbaker, for what isn't a good idea?05:05
Nonphasisuserlinux has no kde05:05
Lowesrbaker p3-750 is lowe powered05:05
srbakerLowe, bullshit.  it's more speed than i need for simple hacking.05:05
truk-zzzLowe: using linux? r u kidding?05:05
Dr_WillisNonphasis,  it think it did after i apt-get'd it. :P or perhaps it was unbutu - I got so many different pcs' i get confused05:05
truk-zzzi have debian sarge in a k6-350 and works *perfect*05:05
srbakerLowe, my computer uses haven't changed in 3 or 4 years.  so my hardware doesn't need to change either.05:05
LoweWell it depends on your use05:05
srbakerLowe, what do you do that requires more than p3-750?05:06
LoweGames and shit, my athlon 2000xp seems slow to me05:06
Dr_Willisgimp can be very gimped at times :P on low end machines it seems.05:07
mxpxpodwho is the one here that has the buildd's for ubuntu05:07
Dr_Willisnot sure if gimp2 is better or worse in this reguard.05:07
LoweMy athlon xp is often gasping for breath05:07
srbakerLowe, well for games, maybe.but i don't play games.05:07
NonphasisDr_Willis, ubuntu has kde in universe at least... i think bruce perens made the decision to skip kde in UL05:07
LoweWell as long as it isn't for day to say use05:07
srbakeri have a barton 2500+ that spends all day compiling, and streaming oggs, and still plays q3a05:07
srbakerLowe, you're an idiot05:07
Loweyour one of "those"05:08
Nonphasissrbaker, tsk tsk, that's a #debian attitude05:08
thomi've fixed extension installing05:08
thomjust freakin' find left05:08
Loweyeah this guy has an attitude problem05:08
srbakerLowe, i have an attitude problem?  you're the one telling me what my needs are.  and then trivializing them.05:08
Dr_WillisNonphasis,  heh - the more i use gnome... the more i perfer kde. *sigh* 05:09
LoweNope i just sayed that p3-750 is no use to me *yawn*05:09
srbakerso i can't figure out why ubuntu boots so slowly on this.05:09
Nonphasissrbaker, actually, I agree w/ you that 700mhz is plenty. just don't go ad hominem05:09
KosaiDr_Willis: `apt-get install kde` works just fine, from universe.05:09
axe9How do I edit my BIOS in Linux?05:10
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Dr_Willisits interesting how the  Linux Disrots are branching out and developing right now.05:10
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Kosaiaxe9: I can't tell whether that's a particularly smart or stupid question.  If the former, take a look at /proc/nvram.05:10
Dr_Willisaxe9,  - Hmm... thats an interesting question.05:10
Kosai(By which I mean, if you're actually looking to dump the BIOS in userland, you can, but if you're asking about actually using it, you can't.)05:11
Lowehaha this is funny.05:11
truk-zzzaxe9: do you mean cmos?05:11
LoweI disagree with one person and everyone starts the my processor is powerful enough routine..05:11
truk-zzzwhat you really wanna do axe9 ?05:11
Dr_Willisaxe9,  why dont we ask WHAT you are trying to do. :P05:11
axe9I was thiking I might be able to perform necrolosys with my late hdd05:11
Dr_Willis necrolosys ?05:12
truk-zzzrescue an hd ?05:13
srbakeris there a place to post installation experiences with ubuntu?05:13
srbakerbugzilla perhaps05:13
srbakerinstall took over 3 hours from inserting the CD to starting gdm for the first time05:14
truk-zzzsrbaker: yes05:14
srbakerit didn't ask me any questions, but it was slow as fuck05:14
Mithrandirsrbaker: bugzilla for bugs, the -user or -devel list for experiences.05:14
Mithrandirsrbaker: what kind of hw?05:14
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srbakerMithrandir, Toshiba Tecra 8100, p3-750, 128M05:14
srbakermaybe it was improper hdd settings by default?05:14
diemanftp.cs is going to be a full ubuntu-cdimage mirror in a few mins here05:14
Mithrandirsrbaker: weird.. could be missing DMA, yes.05:14
srbaker*really* fucking slow05:15
srbakeri know running gnome in 128M is a bit of a stretch, but it should've booted in less than 5 minutes.05:15
LeeCI'm trying to go the sarge > warty route via changing /etc/apt/source.list  How do I install the standard set of packages?05:15
srbakeri'm installing sarge now05:15
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LeeCIs the list of selections somewhere on the install CD?05:17
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gpartis it possible to install/run ubuntu from an external usb-harddrive?05:18
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dcrm-libraHi I'm trying to get to a windows xp computer on a domain and I keep getting access denied, I don't get any password prompt or anything? What am I doing wrong? Thanks.05:22
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schvenkhas anyone gotten KDE working?05:23
KosaiJust did apt-get install kde, after adding universe to sources.list.05:24
Nonphasisit "worked" out of the box05:24
LoweKDE is a resource hog. (especially when i only have 256mb ram :( )05:25
schvenki haven't been able to...when I select any KDE package (after enabling universe) in the SPM, I get dependency errors05:25
schvenkmuch more so than gnome?05:25
Nonphasiswas ugly as hell though... nothing a little tweaking probably wouldn't fix05:25
jdubschvenk: nah, they're both around the same ;)05:25
NonphasisI'm waiting for "official" ubuntu kde05:25
schvenki'm pretty new to both gnome and kde, but the kde installs i've seen have seemed a little better05:25
LoweWell maybe just on my system. Kde perfoms pretty bad.05:25
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Tsjoklat<-- happy kde-free user05:26
Nonphasisjdub, btw, do you know how to add an xmodmap as selection to gnome kbd layout switcher05:26
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schvenkhmm...doesn't work from the cmd line either. i get the following error:05:26
schvenkThe following packages have unmet dependencies:05:27
schvenk  kde: Depends: kde-core but it is not going to be installed05:27
schvenk       Depends: kde-amusements but it is not going to be installed05:27
schvenk       Depends: kdeaddons but it is not going to be installed05:27
schvenk       Depends: kdeadmin but it is not going to be installed05:27
schvenk       Depends: kdeartwork but it is not going to be installed05:27
schvenk       Depends: kdegraphics but it is not going to be installed05:27
schvenk       Depends: kdemultimedia but it is not going to be installed05:27
schvenk       Depends: kdenetwork but it is not going to be installed05:27
schvenk       Depends: kdepim but it is not going to be installed05:27
schvenk       Depends: kdeutils but it is not going to be installed05:27
schvenk       Depends: quanta but it is not installable05:27
Lowewow wow we get the idea05:27
Nonphasisgot the idea05:27
schvenkE: Broken packages05:27
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dcrm-libraHi I'm trying to get to a windows xp computer on a domain and I keep getting access denied, I don't get any password prompt or anything? What am I doing wrong? Thanks.05:27
Nonphasisschvenk, perhaps dist-upgrade?05:28
Nonphasisdcrm-libra, perhaps you might ask #samba?05:28
Nonphasisdcrm-libra, or sth05:28
schvenkNonphasis: is that equivalent to the update feature in synaptic package mgr?05:29
schvenk(btw, sorry for the extensive paste...was hoping it'd all come through in one post)05:30
Nonphasisschvenk, dunno about synaptic - it might just be able to make the deps in your system such that kde could install05:30
NonphasisNonphasis, or jus wait for the packages to unbreak05:30
schvenknonphasis: oh, so it might be a server-side problem?05:32
Nonphasisschvenk, well, often it's because the dependencies are broken in the servers05:32
Nonphasisschvenk, waiting sorts such a situation out05:33
schvenknonphasis: i see. was assuming it was a problem in my distribution05:33
schvenknonphasis: thanks05:33
Nonphasisschvenk, in fact, I would wait until kde goes "official" in ubuntu05:33
Nonphasisschvenk, before thu official release, I would assume05:34
brad[] There any plans to include KDE in Ubuntu?05:35
schvenknonphasis, out of curiosity when is that expected?05:35
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flokkerhi :)05:36
AndyFitzhi flokker05:36
LeeCWhat is the official standard package list for Ubuntu?05:37
flokkerI'm just trying ubuntu.. great!05:37
Nonphasisschvenk, dunno, but probably before the release05:37
AndyFitzjust compiled the gimp 2.1.5 on ubuntu http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/gimp215.jpg  i had a play with a celery 400 running at 1280x1024  05:38
AndyFitzfor a pixel perfect version replace jpg with png in the url05:38
Nonphasisschvenk, in the meantime, bear with the gnome. it's not too bad once you learn to use it ;-)05:38
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diemanmore bugs!05:38
Nonphasisschvenk, plus it's "official"05:39
flokkerjust litle problem browsing windows network :\ nautilus doesn't ask me login/pwd...05:39
jdubLeeC: our list of packages is generated from the Seed lists on the wiki05:39
jdubLeeC: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog -> look at the seed pages05:39
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trukulowhere can i write in wiki about #ubuntu-es ? channel in spanish about ubuntu05:40
flokkerAndyFitz: great graphics works05:40
jdubtrukulo: put it on the FAQ page for now05:40
trukulowhere's the correct place?05:40
trukulojdub: ok, thanks05:40
trukulojdub: trukulo changed the topic of #ubuntu-es to: http://mercurio.homeip.net/blog/31/ <- info ||  < jdub> estoy buscando05:41
trukulo          mis pantalones05:41
flokkernoone has an hint for that network prolem, please?05:41
jdubhaha ;)05:41
jdubflokker: not sure why not05:42
flokkerjdub :)05:42
LeeCjdub: is there a text file somewhere with only these seed lists? (something I could feed 'dpkg -set-selections')05:43
jdubLeeC: best thing to do is:05:43
jdubaptitude install "~tubuntu-desktop"05:43
schvenknonphasis, fair enough, thanks :-)05:43
trukulospanish irc channel added in faq (wiki)05:47
flokkerjdub: I tryed install ubunt o 2 diferent PC.. same problem: first boot I can wiew windows network & workgroup's pc but if I try to access shares it kick me off without asking any password and let me know that I've not enought permissions :(05:48
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LeeCjdub: apt-get is complaining of a conflicted dependency of libc6-2.3.2.ds1-16 being installed instead of libc6-2.3.2.ds1-13ubuntu205:48
LeeCuninstalling libc is a bad thing, right?05:48
tsengLeeC: er... yes05:49
trukuloflokker: try accessing with this smb://user:pass@host05:49
schweebwhat apt source did you just add, is the question05:49
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schweebsid, possibly?05:49
schweebbecause you definitely added a non-ubuntu apt source05:49
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flokkertrukulo: thanks, just trying05:50
jdubLeeC: have you added debian sources?05:52
flokkertrukulo: "not enough permissions to list..."05:53
trukulosame error as before?05:53
flokkertrukulo: yes05:53
trukuloflokker: so try editing /etc/samba/smb.conf05:53
tvon|X31Did type-ahead find go away in Firefox pr1?05:54
flokkertrukulo: hownever  I can mount shares via console without problems05:54
trukuloflokker: umm, so i don't know :(05:54
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flokkertrukulo: what part of smb.conf?05:55
trukuloflokker: if you can access via termina, i don't know05:55
schweebtvon|X31: it's a bit messed up... in the advanced setings, turn on type ahead find05:55
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schweebbut the behavior is still different05:55
LeeCjdub: I installed a debian base system and I'm now trying to upgrade to ubuntu05:55
Scognitohi all05:55
trukuloLeeC: sarge?05:56
LeeCtrukulo: yes05:56
jdubLeeC: you're better off using the ubuntu install...05:56
jdubLeeC: doing it that way won't give you the best experience05:56
trukuloso if you want to take the risk... say yes to all05:56
trukulobut it's a high risk05:57
LeeCjdub: yes, but each time I've tried the install has failed.  How do I verify that the CD has burned properly?05:57
Scognitoi'm downloading the iso, but i have a question:05:57
tvon|X31LeeC: burn another :)05:57
flokkertrukulo: I just reinstall and now I cannot find smbmount anymore.. I should installa an additional package last night ;P05:58
Scognitois ubuntu optimized only for i386? I use p305:58
jdubLeeC: md5sum it :)05:58
jonojdub, what time is there?05:58
jdubScognito: it uses i486 instructions, tuned for p4/k705:58
LeeCI've checksummed the iso, when I try to checksum /dev/scd0 I get an error05:58
jdubjono: 020005:58
jonojdub, ahhh right05:58
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Scognitook tnx05:59
schweebLeeC: scd0 is for SCSI or IDE-SCSI05:59
LeeCscd0 is a SCSI drive on firewire05:59
schweebwhat's the error then05:59
LeeCUh, I think it was a "read data06:00
LeeCerror, and then the drive went offline06:00
LeeCI'll try to copy the disk image back off the CD and then check that against the original ISO06:01
flokkertrukulo: hownever  I think that mounting a share is quite different from browsing it..06:04
LoweI can't open rar's and i installed unrar06:04
schweebunrar is shit06:05
schweebrar supports more rars06:06
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LeeCAha!  Reading the CD with dd generates a sense key Medium Error.  That's worse than an Easy Error.06:07
LeeCI knew these CDs were crap.06:07
flokkertrukulo: news: launching nautilus from terminal with smb://... param I get: (nautilus:20757): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:06:08
flokkerAuthentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.06:08
Lowethat's because your launching it as root06:11
flokkerLowe: no, the main user.. without sudo06:12
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flokkerLowe: youre right.. I'm idiot :)06:12
toyowheelinwoah where is everyone06:13
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flokkerLowe: just trtied again with standard user: no terminal error.. just nautilus popup error about permissions :(06:13
toyowheelinanyone here know much about grub?06:14
cardadorflokker: i got the same06:16
toyowheelinafter I loaded ubunto onto my system my windows boot loader is nolonger there, with mandrake it used lilo and it had an option to load "windows" which would than take me to my windows bootloader06:18
toyowheelinthat dosent happen now06:18
flokkertoyowheelin: are you sure to have not wiped out the hd during ubunt setup?06:19
toyowheelinyes I did custom disk partitioning or whatever and I put ubuntu where mandrake was06:20
flokkerwell, you data is still there then ;)06:20
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toyowheelinI dont understand why grub didnt see windows and just add it06:23
flokkertoyowheelin: have you tried to manually edit grub conf file?06:24
toyowheelinI dont know how lol06:24
noxfutoyowheelin: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/06:24
toyowheelinI am at school ATM tring to ssh to home06:24
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toyowheelindont remember if I installed sshd or not06:25
schweebgrub doesn't do the config06:25
schweebpeople's grub scripts do the config06:25
flokkertoyowheelin: mount /boot, *backup* actual grub config file and try to edit it following grub manual06:25
schweebuse update-grub06:25
schweeband then uncomment the windows section, if it doesn't add one06:25
schweeband modify appropriately06:25
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toyowheelinwell IF I can get a ssh session going ill do that in a sec06:26
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flokkertoyowheelin: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=153206:27
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flokker(i was searching for other bug but.. :) )06:27
kagouhi guys06:27
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chapeaurougequestion... i always disliked debian, bc it was not bleeding edge enough with apt-get... can i like ubuntu?06:30
toyowheelinwell thats not good....06:31
noxfuchapeaurouge: You are uninformed.06:31
chapeaurougenoxfu, possibly.06:31
chapeaurougeim on slackware current right now.06:31
noxfuchapeaurouge: Debian is bleeding edge if you wish it.  That's what sid (unstable) is for.06:31
toyowheelinthat guy is saying it "breaks" the mbr and wont let you boot windows06:31
chapeaurougeunstable.. hehe.. too old for me06:31
noxfuchapeaurouge: Then build it all from source?06:31
chapeaurougetesting maybe?06:31
flokkertoyowheelin: not good at all06:31
noxfuchapeaurouge: testing isn't as bleeding edge as unstable.06:32
chapeaurougenoxfu, i do build from CVS on occasion06:32
chapeaurougenoxfu, ok.06:32
noxfuchapeaurouge: Then keep doing that?  You're not really going to find any packages that are that bleeding edge...it takes time to build and test packages before they are released into the wild.06:32
WWThis is probably simple, but could someone explain how to make a USB printer on one computer accessible to another computer (using CUPS)?06:32
WWThe computer are connected via a DSL Router06:33
toyowheelinalright well I will be back in a little while...06:33
chapeaurougeAre there lots of 3rd party sites that provide deb pkgs that are the latest version of a particular software?06:33
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toyowheelinthanks for the info06:33
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Loweanyone know a good sfv checker?06:33
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noxfuchapeaurouge: You can use unofficial sources.06:33
flokkerWW: you have to know pc's ip and printer name, username & pwd06:34
flokkerWW: the add printer "wizard" will help you step by step06:34
chapeaurougeim very unfamiliar with apt-get... would compiling from source lose apt-get, if i then later want to upgrade that software via apt-get? can make apt-get aware than I just installed something from source?06:34
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chapeaurougeif you have a link to some explanation, it is good too. Don't want to waste you guys time.06:36
krischanpeople, I need help: I'm not able to access a FAT partition I've mounted. My fstab contains the following line "/dev/hdd5 /fat vfat rw,users,umask=111 0 0", then I "mount /fat", but when I try to cd into /fat it says I'm not permitted. Why?06:36
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WWflokker: Dumb question: in the wizard, is the URI just the ip address (e.g. of the computer that has the printer, or does it need more information there?06:36
flokkerWW: ah.. you have to use CUPS? I test remote usb printer only via SMB...06:38
chapeaurougenevertheless, i will try ubuntu... this seems to be very good.. i like the philosophy of "less is more", just like slack. no bloat.06:38
flokkerWW: I use CUPS just for a network printer and the URI was something like http://ip:port/printer_name06:39
noxfuchapeaurouge: No, you won't be able to upgrade software that you compiled from source via apt.06:39
chapeaurougenoxfu, ok.06:40
topylinoxfu: you can make .debs of everything, and apt will know about them :)06:41
WWflokker:  Yeah, I thought there might be more needed for the URI.  Still not sure, though.06:41
krischanchapeaurouge, I'm not an expert either, but AFAIK you can't compile/install something from source and then later _upgrade_ it - because the apt-get database is unaware that the installed software exists. BUT: there is a nice little tool called "checkinstall" (goto Google) it redirects "make install" into a package, and then you can install that package with usual measures.06:42
noxfutopyli: Yes, yes you can.....but that's not the quick easy answer that he was looking for.  :o)06:42
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chapeaurougekrischan, yes, I was aware that it worked on slackware... so on DEbian too? nice.06:42
seb128hey ploum 06:42
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WWflokker: Do you know if setting have to be changed on the computer that has the printer, in order for another computer to access it?06:44
flokkerWW: what os run on that pc?06:45
WWi.e. is cupsd.conf configured to allow access from the local network?06:45
WWThe printer is attached to ubuntu; the other computer has libranet.06:46
flokkerWW: you have to configure smb.conf on printer pc06:46
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schweebubuntu should pretty much already be set up to serve printers from cups through samba06:48
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schweebuse CUPS then06:50
WWschweeb: How do I tell the client where the printer is? 06:50
schweebyou'll have to allow remote access to CUPS from your client06:50
schweebyou can use printer adverisement through SLP, but you'll have to read the cups adverisement through that06:51
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WWschweeb: "adverisement"?  SLP?06:52
krischandoes anybody has suggestions regarding my mount problem decribed above?06:54
schweebyou'll have to do some reading, WW 06:54
WWschweeb: Yup, I'm doing that now!06:55
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fraggkrischan 06:56
WWschweeb: But, while I have your attention, in the end will is involve just editing cupsd.conf on the client, or is there more?06:56
WWs/is involve/it involve/06:56
schweebyou'll probably have to do a bit of editing on both sides, yes06:56
WWschweeb: OK, thanks.06:57
schweebI've never really messed with the printer advertisement stuff... I run a domain06:57
fraggwith that umask you don't apply ejecution permission to /fat06:57
fraggso you are not able to open it06:57
fraggyour umask sholud be 22206:58
fraggfor example to have read and ejecution permission06:58
fraggi think that06:58
srbakeris hdparm on the ubuntu install disk?06:59
srbakerso i can run it before it starts copying stuff to the drive?06:59
schweebdo you need to force DMA on or something?07:00
schweebcause the kernel is usually pretty good at determining if you should use DMA07:01
krischanfragg, you brought it to the point! Thank you very much!07:01
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srbakerschweeb, well, i don't know.  i'm trying to figure out what the problem is07:02
krischanfragg, then I bother you with the next question: who needs to have execution privileges, only root? Or also Group and Others? I'll try if umask=011 is gonna work to.07:02
srbakerthere's a long wait between each of the screens that doesn't exist in sarge.07:03
srbakerand hardware detection takes a long time07:03
schweebyou need execution privs on the directories to cd into them07:03
Se7hCan't find file for package 'WinDrv'07:03
Se7hhow can i fix this ?07:03
fragglet me think about it07:03
krischanIt works. Obviously execution privilege for root is the crucial point.07:04
srbakerhdparm reports the same settings in both sarge and ubuntu07:05
srbakerbut ubuntu is *really* *really* slow07:05
jdubsrbaker: what kind of machine?07:05
jdubsrbaker: pipka had the same problem07:05
srbakerjdub, toshiba tecra 8100, p3-750, 128M07:05
jdubshe has a satellite07:05
srbakerjdub, oh?  what's pipka using?07:05
srbakerexcellent.   that narrows it down07:05
srbakerthe satellite is just a more expensive tecra :)07:05
jdubmight be related to acpi/apm support?07:05
schweebdefinitely sounds like a DMA issue07:06
srbakerjdub, would loading the acpi/apm moduels help by any chance?07:07
srbakerschweeb, same DMA settings on both setups07:07
schweebwhat kernel do you use in sarge?07:07
srbakeri always install with linux2607:07
srbakerso 2.6.807:07
jdubschweeb: don't think it's DMA, it's the entire system, not I/O07:07
schweebwhatever's on the install CD07:07
schweebunless you upgrade07:07
schweebthink RC1 has like 2.6.4 or something07:08
srbakerjdub, i think i may have to do FC2 for a few days.07:08
srbakerjdub, but on sunday/monday, i can do a few more tests.07:08
jdubsrbaker: cool, thanks07:08
jdubsrbaker: i have to steal pipka's machine some time and have a poke, too07:08
srbakerjdthood, oh, there's an option in kernel config "Toshiba Laptop Support".07:08
srbakeri think that's enabled in sarge, it may not be enabled in ubuntu07:08
fraggkrischan 07:08
srbakeri'll switch kernels and build myself a new ubuntu disk  and test that for oyu07:09
jdubsrbaker: modprobe toshiba :)07:09
fraggit's de crucial poinr as you say07:09
srbakerwell, for me.  so you don't have to :P07:09
srbakerjdub, did pipka try that?07:09
jdubsrbaker: it was already loaded, from what i remember07:09
schweebor it could be the laptop_mode support07:09
srbakeroh, i had to use the vga=771 for the slow-scrolling text, too07:09
fraggbecause when you mount de device, mount point's owner is root b07:10
fraggbecause when you mount de device, mount point's owner is root 07:10
srbakerjdub, installation was a breeze, tho.  excellent work.  installed over wifi, too07:11
schweebsrbaker: try laptop-mode stop possibly?07:11
fraggbut it doesn't matter07:12
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fraggyou have to put the correct value in the umask depending on which user you want the privileges07:13
srbakerokay.  so i install FC2 until my weekend (sun/mon)07:13
srbakerjdub, i just checked my ubuntu install.  toshiba module was nowhere to be found (i did find . |grep -i tosh), and the same in dmesg returned nothing07:14
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jdubcat /proc/misc ?07:14
srbakerjdub, too late :(07:15
srbakerjdub, i have to get this running emacs in time for school in two hours.  it's got a clean harddrive :P07:15
srbakerjdub, are you using emacs for gnome development?07:16
jdubsrbaker: no need, i don't embarrass anyone with my code. i just help the real coders. :-)07:16
Mithrandirsrbaker: the toshiba support is definitely enabled in ubuntu07:17
srbakerMithrandir, oh, i couldn't find any evidence of that in dmesg07:17
Mithrandirsrbaker: my gf has a toshiba satelite something07:17
jdubMithrandir: does it run like poo?07:17
Mithrandirjdub: nope, runs well07:17
srbakerMithrandir, you installed ubuntu on it?07:18
srbakerMithrandir, no extra boot options?07:18
Mithrandirsrbaker: no, she installed ubuntu on it; I don't think she's added anything07:18
Mithrandirsrbaker: but it's a 2GHz celeron thingy07:19
srbakerMithrandir, oh.  mine's a p307:20
Mithrandir256MB ram07:20
srbakerand mine's only 128M.  i'm going to try and get 256M for it07:20
Mithrandirand tosh_acpi is loaded by default07:20
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srbakerhrm.  it didn't load it here.  and i couldn't find it07:22
srbakerwonder if that will help07:22
flokkerjsut a quick question about Nautilus: why it open always a new window when I browse subfolders?07:22
Mithrandirwhat kernel image did you get?07:22
srbakerMithrandir, i just downloaded the ubuntu install cd07:23
Dr_Willisflokker,  thats a design 'feature'07:23
Dr_Willisflokker,  and i hate it. :P07:23
srbakerMithrandir, i'm talking about installation.07:23
Mithrandirflokker: it's called spatial mode; you can turn it off using gconf-editor, but you should try it for a while and see if you get used to it.07:23
srbakerinstallation took THREE HOURS.07:23
Mithrandirsrbaker: yeah, you said.07:23
Dr_Willisflokker,  there is that 'explore' mode/icon at the top that dosent do that.07:23
Mithrandirsrbaker: it did not for my gf, or she would have killed me. :)07:23
srbakerMithrandir, but i'm booting my warty cd again.  trying to see if i can find this tosh_acpi module07:23
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srbakerMithrandir, where do i find that module on the install cd?  i can't find it07:24
Mithrandirit's inside some udeb.07:24
Mithrandirsrbaker: it sounds like you have some fucked hdparm settings, if you use expert mode, I think it will ask you about those.07:24
srbakerknow which one?07:24
srbakerMithrandir, but it's the same settings when i install sarge, and no such trouble07:25
Mithrandirsrbaker: that's so weird.. I wonder if there's something weird going on wrt kernel versions and default settings that have changed.07:25
srbakeri did hdparm -i on this running sarge07:25
srbakerand then in ubuntu07:25
chapeaurougei think that gnome 2.8 in not in unstable yet, is it?07:26
chutwigin debian?07:26
chutwigit's still in experimental07:26
chapeaurougeso can we expect ubuntu to be on the ball like that all the time?07:26
chapeaurougechutwig, ok.07:26
chutwigthey expect to move it to unstable after sarge is stabilized07:26
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Mithrandirsrbaker: .. and?07:27
srbakerMithrandir, the hdparm -i output was identical07:27
flokkerDr_Willis, Mithrandir: thanks :)07:27
chapeaurougei mean, when i see that gnome 2.6 entered unstable only in september, that what makes me think twice about Debian.07:29
flokkerDr_Willis: "flokker,  there is that 'explore' mode/icon at the top that dosent do that." <- I cannot find that07:29
Dr_Willisflokker,  its been at the top bar of every gnome ive used in the last 3 months.07:29
srbakerMithrandir, i'm in expert mode, it's loading udebs now07:30
Dr_Willispops up a little file explorer/browser thing thats totally different from the ones ya get from clicking on the HOME icon07:30
flokkerDr_Willis: that's the problem! [tm] ... I've not a top bar!07:30
truk-awayflokker: write gnome-panel in terminal07:31
Dr_Willisflokker,  thats in the config menus or it crashed :P heh 07:31
Dr_Willisto enable it07:31
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srbakerMithrandir, still can't find this tosh module07:31
chapeaurougeOlivier_54, Meurthe & Moselle? that'd be funny...07:31
flokkerDr_Willis: it's say that there is yet a open panel..07:31
truk-awayflokker: killall gnome-panel07:32
truk-awayand log in again07:32
Dr_Willisreboot :P oh wait this isent #windows07:33
flokkerhaha :))07:33
flokkerarg.. no way07:34
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Mithrandirsrbaker: it should be there post-reboot, no idea if it's loaded during the install07:36
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srbakergod, that sucks07:37
srbakerinstall is the worst part07:38
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flokkertruk-away: my desktop looks like that: http://osdir.com/screenshots/index.php?directory=gnome2.8&currentPic=1607:40
Treenakswow! Flash plugin installation is _easy_ with this firefox PR107:40
flokkerno top bar, just menu07:40
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Chriffernow that I upgraded firefox its starting to crash07:42
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thomChriffer: yep, known problem07:42
thomworking on a fix07:42
Chrifferohh so I shouldnt bother trying to upgade again yet07:43
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mdzthom: any idea how I get emacs shortcuts back in firefox?07:44
mdz(he says, after ^W closes the @#$% window again)07:44
thommdz: you need to twiddle gnome07:44
mdzthat is the worst choice of a keyboard shortcut EVER07:44
Se7h54 new packaged07:44
thommdz: it uses what you have set for gnome now07:44
Se7h54 new packages07:44
|trey|Se7h: upgrade more option  ;)07:45
schweebmdz: for me ^w closes each tab07:45
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schweebmdz: then the window07:45
thommdz: (i have no idea how you do that, mind. jdub didn't know either)07:45
mdzschweeb: that is the WORST07:45
mdz^W has deleted backward one word since TIME BEGAN07:45
KosaiAre the mozilla entry widgets GtkTextWidgets, then?07:46
mdzxchat does the same horrible thing07:46
schweebmost apps are switching to ^w or ^q to exit/kill windows07:46
schweebI rather like it07:46
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|trey|mdz: get busy with keyboard shutcuts... get them back the way you like...07:47
schweebI've always used ctrl+backspace iirc to delete back one work07:47
schweebdepends on the app I suppose07:47
truk-awayflokker: that's how it has to be07:47
srbakerifound it unfortunate that synaptic wasn't part of the install.07:47
truk-awayyou have superior panel, where's the problem?07:47
|trey|schweeb: Emacs users are kinda hysterical about navigation keys  :/07:47
schweeb<3 vim07:48
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thommdz: ah07:49
thomSystem Tools, configuration editor07:49
thom /apps/desktop/gnome/interface ; set gtk-key-theme to "Emacs"07:50
srbakergah.  vim suckage07:50
minghuathom: there is a UI in desktop preference -> keyboard shortcuts in debian07:51
|trey|emacs/vim wars are lame... always takes about an hour, and still only the folks that want Stallmans nuts continue to use it...07:51
minghuadid ubuntu remove that menu?07:51
thomminghua: gone in 2.8 it seems07:51
schweebno, it's there for me07:51
|trey|Emacs = over kill + bloat07:52
minghuathom: I see07:52
tvon|X31|trey|: lol07:52
thomschweeb: menu is there, option for keybindings aint07:52
schweebComputer->Desktop Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts07:52
Mithrandirsrbaker: what does hdparm on the cdrom look like?07:54
Mithrandirmdz: screen's choice of C-a clearly beats C-w to close windows.07:54
thommdz: and yeah, that makes firefuck do the right thing07:54
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rokaefhi, who knows how to get 3d with nvidia? installed are: nvidia-kernel, nvidia-glx and libopengl. when i choose as driver "nvidia" X doesn't start.07:54
Mithrandirmdz: at least for those of us who has been using macs since they came around07:54
thomshould emacs keybindings happen to be the right thing :-)07:54
siretartis there a graphical frontend to edit /etc/fstab in ubuntu? not that I needed one, I'm just curious.07:54
thomsiretart: does gvim count? (ie, no)07:55
siretartrokaef: is the kernel module "nvidia" loaded?07:55
rokaefhow to find out?07:55
rokaefi think so..07:55
siretartrokaef: lsmod | grep nvidia07:55
Qerubsiretart: gst provides one iirc07:55
Qerubsiretart: gnome system tools that is, not gstreamer07:56
thomQerub: which we turn off, i believe07:56
|trey|siretart: never really looked at fstab as something morons should be playing with  :(07:56
Qerubthom: oh, ok07:56
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rokaefsiretart: nvidia_agp 7772  1; agpgart 33704  1 nvidia_agp07:56
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rokaefsiretart: is that okay?07:58
siretartrokaef: this is okay. have a look at http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto07:58
jmauriciohi all07:58
siretartrokaef: that skript worked for me fine07:58
jmauricioi am looking for Mono07:58
jmauricioin powerpc07:58
rokaefsiretart: okay, i look...07:58
jmauriciobut without success07:59
|trey|jmauricio: umm, look in universal?07:59
|trey|not sure if its supported enough to be in main/restricted  :/07:59
mdzthom: thanks07:59
mdzthom: I'd been using ~/.gtkrc-2.0 for that, and it doesn't seem to work anymore07:59
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|trey|thom: gnome dev?08:00
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jmauricio|trey|: thank you, i will looking there08:00
thom|trey|: hope not, for their sake08:00
|trey|jmauricio: I know Debian has it upstream... should be in main... if not... add a debian repo WITHOUT main  :)  (universe + main = debian main)08:01
|trey|thom: oh, just saying cuz you said "we"  ;)08:01
|trey|Most devs say "we"  :)08:02
thom|trey|: i work for canonical :-)08:02
jmauricio|trey|: ok i will follow your instructions08:02
siretartQerub: I just checked gnome-system-tools twice, it does not seem to have one. at least not with that package alone..08:02
tsengjdub: any proceedure yet from taking requests on UniverseCandidates and moving into universe?08:02
Qerubsiretart: 19:56      thom > Qerub: which we turn off, i believe08:02
|trey|thom: ohhh... under what capacity?  dev or suit?  8-)08:02
thomdev. heh :-)08:02
tsengjdub: or anything i should add to speed the process up08:02
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|trey|thom: yay... suits scare me  :(08:03
thommdz: do we have any suits?08:03
siretartah. ok. sry, overread that.08:03
|trey|thom: isn't Shuttlesomeshit a suit?08:03
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flokkercrash crash crash08:04
flokkerno by ubuntu.. just shit hw :)08:05
|trey|Mark Shuttleworth not Shuttlesomeshit  :o08:05
srbakerjdub, so i decided to just wait out the ubuntu installation08:05
srbakerjdub, it's just completing now.  about an hour later.08:06
srbakeractually, i lie.  78%08:06
|trey|srbaker: thats not bad for having EVERYTHING you need installed... usually about 20 mins getting Debian base installed... plus installing packages, just over an hour......08:06
srbaker|trey|, that's not everything.  that's just d-i.  it is terrible08:07
lezardIs Julien Olivier there (I don't know his pseudo) ?08:07
rokaefsiretart: when i do "modprobe nvidia", i get: "FATAL: Module nvidia not found."08:07
|trey|jdub: please look at discover (in sid) over discover1... it's newer, and appears to detect 2.6 modules better  :)08:07
rokaefsiretart: what is missing? how to install this module?08:07
siretartrokaef: check that you installed the package linux-restricted-modules with the right version of your running kernel08:07
|trey|srbaker: d-i is terrible? about 3 questions (for Ubuntu) is terrible? It's just not pretty, sorry if you didn't figure out you can get up and do something entertaining  :/08:08
srbaker|trey|, THE SPEED IS TERRIBLE!08:08
srbaker|trey|, :)  i love d-i08:09
tsengthe speed?08:09
tsengit takes 20 minutes08:09
srbaker|trey|, but there's something wrong with toshiba lappy support.08:09
|trey|srbaker: same here... best installer around... and will get even more credit once it is pretty  :)08:09
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srbakertseng, no.  not on my toshiba tecra.  there's something wrong!  it takes almost 4hours from start to finish08:09
thomi have thunderbird and firefox building at the same time08:09
|trey|thom: *points at the TV*  8-)08:09
tsengmayhaps its using a generic ide driver?08:10
|trey|thom: :(  Firefox PR really didn't like my java plugin, kept crashing... it apparently decided to work right as I was going to file a bug though  :/08:10
|trey|srbaker: piix?08:11
srbakeryes.  tseng suggested it's using a generic ide driver08:11
srbakerit's nothing to do with ide or dma, as far as i can tell.08:11
|trey|ohhh... I just didn't know that was a module :o08:11
rokaefsiretart: takes some time now..downloading08:12
mdzthom: works, thanks08:12
mdznow i just need to figure out how to get both the left and right ALT keys to do the _same thing_, dammit08:13
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|trey|(One bug, "new folder" icon is kinda fucked... but I don't know enough to fix it  :(08:13
mdzmy right alt key makes ISO_Level3_Shift08:14
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tsengmdz: have you tested your mythtv stuff on ubuntu much?08:14
thom|trey|: dude, no need to shout08:14
|trey|Its a few days old now though... so it will be closer to the bottem  :(08:14
|trey|thom: pretty please  :)08:15
mdztseng: I was just about to, actually08:15
thomwe've seen it, we aren't screwing with themey stuff given how much else we have to do08:15
thomit'll be in hoary08:15
mdztseng: I'm going to start distributing ubuntu packages for it08:15
|trey|thom: yay  :)08:15
tsengmdz: hm, missing a few deps in main universe08:15
tseng+ mdz + marrilat08:16
|trey|thom: thing is, for me, the system at large works... so I get to play... one of the lucky things about using solely x86  :)08:16
mdztseng: hmmm?08:16
Qerubtruk-away: what themey stuff are you reffering to?08:16
Qerub|trey|: what themey stuff are you reffering to?08:16
Qerubtruk-away: sorry08:16
tseng  mythtv-frontend: Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.3.0) but it is not going to be installed08:17
tseng                   Depends: libmyth-0.16 but it is not going to be installed08:17
tseng                   Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.3) but 3:3.2.3-4ubuntu1 is to be installed08:17
|trey|Qerub: Garret LeSage's Firefox Industrial theme  :)08:17
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tsengthe last one might be easy08:17
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toloHi to all08:18
|trey|tseng: all in sid...08:18
|trey|tseng: could be added to universe for now  :)08:19
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widois there a repository with kde3.3 packages for ubuntu?08:22
chutwigdid you check universe?08:25
chutwigah, i guess that's still 3.2.308:26
ElRatonI wanted to notice you the brand new French channel, #ubuntu-fr, and wanted to know who I have to give the FOUNDER to. Is seb128 OK ?08:27
WWStill trying to make my printer available to another computer on my network...08:29
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WWBy adding Allow From 192.168.1.*, and BrowseAddress 192.168.1.* to cupsd.conf, the client can see the printer.08:29
rokaefsiretart: thx! now it works!08:29
WWBut when I print a test page from the client, it fails with error code 1286, and the message "is the printer paused".08:30
WWAny ideas?08:30
siretartrokaef: you're welcome :)08:30
rokaefwhere are all the .deb packages saved, when i do a update?08:31
srbakerjdub, so i reboot and modprobe toshiba, and it doesn't seem to get much quicker08:31
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srbakergod damn.  i can't use a laptop that takes 6 minutes to boot08:36
WWCorrection: I added BrowseAddress to cupsd.conf08:37
schweebthis backspace beign "back" in PR1.0 of FireFox is driving me insane08:38
tsengrokaef: /var/cache/apt/archives08:38
tsengrokaef: clean with apt-get clean or apt-get autoclean08:38
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tsengie just dont rm *08:39
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rokaefthere where only 300 mb, but the updates have been much more..08:41
rokaefbut it worked.08:42
chapeaurougeis there a good link for some Ubuntu arts?08:43
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neuro_no, i'm not *that* neuro08:43
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neighborleechapeaurouge, what kind of 'arts' are you talking about  ;-) ?08:44
chapeaurougelike backgrounds for example08:45
neighborleechapeaurouge, oh ic...never checked so I dont know about that subject08:45
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cybrjackle|workis there a good how to make .deb's out there?08:49
cybrjackle|workmaybe debian doc's or something08:49
cybrjackle|worki was looking through http://www.debian.org/doc/ but haven't found it yet08:49
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thomwww.debian.org/devel/ iirc; see the new maintainers guide08:49
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Mithrandirhmm, weird.08:49
Mithrandirif you have a vfat file system and a directory with just directories in it, nautilus says "permission denied" when trying to open the directory.08:50
sladencybrjackle|work: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/08:51
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sladencybrjackle|work: or google for  debhelper08:51
Nonphasishow can i burn a cd w/ nautilus?08:51
psiopen nautilus, choose locations in the menu and press cd-creator08:52
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psior if it's an iso you can just right click on it08:52
Nonphasishmmm... locations?08:53
Nonphasisi just found it in help, burn:/// should work08:53
psihm. that was translated from my language08:53
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psiyes. it is in the menu, though.08:54
Nonphasisah, it's "places"08:54
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Nonphasisbeen using k3b mostly, gotta try this nautilus thing as well08:55
psik3b is vastly superior, but nautilus works for simple things08:55
neighborleeNonphasis, you might also try say:  xcdroast or  even eclipit..I like those as well08:58
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punkasshello all09:01
Nonphasisxcdroast sounds veeery old09:02
Nonphasisi remember trying it back in the day09:02
punkassgot a wireless question.. sudo ifup wlan0 gives me: /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd.exe: line 49: .: filename argument required09:02
punkass.: usage: . filename09:03
punkassdhcpcd.exe: wrong interface name ""09:03
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chutwigis ubuntu going to get anything like the debian services controller in gnome?09:13
chutwigor is that a generic package that i just don't have installed09:13
tsengchutwig: i think you are talking about part of gnome-system-tools09:13
chutwigseems to be missing from the ubuntu package09:14
tsenghm you are right.09:14
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diemanive got an 8-way amd64 box coming soon09:15
Mithrandirdieman: fun, how much memory?09:15
Mithrandirdieman: and can you help me track down https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1545 then? :)09:15
diemanMithrandir: 16 at least09:17
diemanim going for 3209:17
diemanim 'only' up to 20k09:17
chutwigthat's a lot of computer09:18
diemani need to get up to 25k.09:18
Mithrandirdieman: ok, cool.  Please, please help me track down that problem.09:18
MithrandirI'll buy you beer in Helsinki then. :P09:18
diemanheh, yikes09:18
diemani'll need to fix it to get the thing to boot :)09:18
chutwighe's going to get you drunk and take advantage of you in an alley behind the bar :o09:19
Mithrandirchutwig: shhh!09:21
diemanits really cool09:21
diemanthis new box09:21
diemanits just two iwill qk8s mobos tied together09:21
diemantoo bad iwillhas like no info on their website09:21
diemanhmm 28 days lead time on the box tho, so it will be a month or so09:22
punkassgot a wireless question.. sudo ifup wlan0 gives me: /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd.exe: line 49: .: filename argument required09:22
Qerubpunkass: deja v09:28
punkassyou have the same problem?09:28
Qerubno, you asked the same question two times.09:29
punkassoh yeah... im gettin a little frusterated :)09:29
Qerubhave you tried running the dhcp client manually?09:29
Qerubjust to try it? :)09:29
punkassyeah same error09:30
Qeruband you haven't changed anything to dhcpcd?09:30
diemanMithrandir: hmm, goswin claims that his 8gb test system works.09:31
punkassan a iwconfig gives me all the info for wlan0 but minus an IP09:31
diemanMithrandir: wacky09:31
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diemanMithrandir: does the amd64 dist boot em64t boxes too?09:31
Mithrandirdieman: it should, yes.09:32
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Mithrandirdieman: if not, it's a bug and should be fixed. :)09:32
diemanive got at least 5 of those coming in the next month.09:32
Mithrandirgoodie :)09:32
Qerubpunkass: have you got /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd-wlan0.info?09:32
diemanMithrandir: do they transparently run 32 bit binaries?09:33
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Mithrandirdieman: if you install ia32-libs, it should work for most stuff.09:33
dieman(if they are static, or have the availiable libs around)09:33
diemani can't install it if they can't run matlab, etc. ;)09:33
Mithrandirdieman: and static should be fine, yes.09:33
punkasshehe..just reading the top of dhcpcd.exe...and just noticed that line09:33
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Mithrandirdieman: amd64 can install and run OOo. :)09:33
punkassQerub: so no i dont have it09:34
punkassdont have it for eth0 either tho09:34
punkassbut it still gets an IP09:34
tsenggreenday wears makeup now?09:35
Qerubpolvi: does dhcpcd.exe abort after that?09:35
Mithrandirdieman: it's very non-native, but works fine with ia32-libs{,-openoffice.org}09:35
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whiprushthe ubuntu article on LWN is excellent09:37
schweebwhiprush: link? or is it in the subscribers only still09:38
punkassQerub: do you know how i generate that file.. or the layout of it?09:38
schweebsubscribers only >_<09:38
Qerubpunkass: hmm. i haven't got it either :-)09:39
Qerubwhiprush: would you mind a little copy and pasting? :>09:39
whiprushheh, I'm not gonna rip them off.09:40
whiprushbesides, I paid 5 bucks for this. :)09:40
schweebLinux Weekly News09:41
schweebPDFs suck09:42
chutwigwhat's wrong with PDFs09:43
punkassah i think i have to add other interfaces to the config file09:43
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schweeball PDF viewers are terrible, including Acrobat Reader09:43
chutwigpreview works well for me09:43
chutwigexcept it doesn't support forms, at least not now09:44
chutwigmaybe in 10.409:44
chutwigit's also slow at line art09:44
schweebxpdf just sucks09:44
schweebgpdf isn't working, doesn't appear to want to open the files09:45
chutwigdoes it say anything if you run it from a terminal?09:45
chutwigyou might need some postscript support installed09:45
schweebgpdf uses xpdf afaik09:45
schweeband xpdf works09:45
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schweeband there are only depends, no suggests or recommenda09:46
chutwigi installed gpdf and it works for me, no fussing09:46
schweebtryin to read this dop on samba4, and it's driving me nuts09:47
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peteoganyone else have a problem with Firefox where they cant add themes or engines? installing industrial - the box comes up but nothing seems to happen09:53
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punkassgoin crazy :)09:54
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punkassanyone use laptop-net09:59
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MithrandirMirno: please turn off public away.10:02
MirnoMithrandir,   Sorry for the incoviniance.10:02
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MithrandirMirno: thanks. :)10:03
MirnoMitario,   done10:03
MitarioMirno, ?10:03
MirnoMitario,   miss tab10:03
Mitariok :)10:04
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pete:( this is silly. Clean ubuntu install, the install dloaded firefox 1 and I cant add, engines, themes or extensions. 10:09
peteany one else having issues?10:09
thomyes, it's broken right now10:09
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thomi have an upload that fixes the extensions stuff, but which leaves find knackered which i'm testing right now10:10
diemanonly $4,900 to add 16 gb to this amd64 box we are getting10:10
diemanso $25k for a 8proc 846 box with 32gb of memory10:10
thomdieman: all this just to play doom3? ;-)10:11
diemanno, rather10:11
diemanits for a class on parallel processing10:11
diemanthey wanted a huge box instead of using mpi.10:11
dieman(or it might be to show how to do things on a shared memory platform)10:12
diemanmost likely the latter, in addition :)10:12
peteogthom: cool 10:13
Nonphasisstupid q: why isn't /etc/profile honored?10:13
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Nonphasisor where should i put "global" customization10:14
fini can safely remove files in /var/cache/apt/archives  correct?10:16
Nonphasisnautilus bug: the directory with the name ~ doesn't appear in directory listing10:17
Nonphasis(eclipse was very very smart and created such a dir)10:18
leormefin: yes. you can use apt-get clean.10:18
finexcellant, thank you10:20
finim on a 4 gig drive, doh!10:20
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punkasswhats the easiest way to fire a wireless connection with WEP?10:20
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wasabi_hey so, what's you guys' revenue plan?10:31
finpimpin hoes10:32
shim"Linux source tree /usr/src/linux is incomplete or missing!"10:33
shim;   ;10:33
shim*trying to install drivers for a linksys wifi card (PCMCIA)*10:36
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subterrificshim: pretty sure there is a FAQ about that10:36
shim*wanders off to look*10:37
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punkasswlist wlan0 scan gives me Failed to read scan data: Operation not supported..... any thoughts?10:41
lamontevo question... how does one get URL's in email messages to behave as links?10:41
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neighborleelamont, hmm odd..pretty sure mine does default..lemme check10:43
neighborleelamont, yes mine load mozilla for example when I click them10:43
lamontok.  I'll go see what the wife is smoking then,,,10:44
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Dougallall, anyone know if there are any tricks to installing the ati 3d drivers ?10:45
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lmlAre there somebody running MythTV on Ubuntu?10:50
finis there a way to use the ck patches with the ubuntu kernel source, or must i download a vanilla kernel?10:50
crimsunyou may have a difficult time patching10:51
crimsuni haven't tried, so i don't know10:51
crimsunbest way is to try10:51
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neighborleehey all..anyone remember that --reconfigure line for apt-get for nvidia ?..I can'/t recall last part ;-))heh10:55
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neighborleeor is it in a faq?10:55
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neighborleetrying to help friend with path of least resistance <G>10:55
theantixyup, it's in the faq =)10:55
neighborleeokay thx10:55
lmlAre there somebody running MythTV on Ubuntu?10:56
neighborleetheantix, i'm not finding it10:57
neighborleelml, what is MythTV>.I guesss thats a no ;-)10:57
mdzneighborlee: ^^^10:57
mdzlml: I will be shortly10:57
goatboy_lml: I am.10:58
lmlmdz: Do you know if there are packages available to ease the installation?10:58
mdzlml: there will be shortly :-)10:58
neighborleemdz:crimsun: k thx ;-010:58
lmlmdz: How shortly ;-)10:58
mdzlml: I maintain the packages10:58
lmlgoatboy_: Did you compile from source?10:59
lmlmdz: All packages or just MythTV?10:59
mdzlml: the mythtv packages for Debian10:59
mdz(and thus for ubuntu as well)10:59
goatboy_lml: I rebuilt mdz's packages.11:00
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lmlmdz: Ok and to my understanding it is not wise to use Debian packages under Ubuntu?11:00
crimsuni find it humorous that mozilla-firefox in sid is less recent than in ubuntu =)11:00
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mdzlml: in general, no, but if there is anything available for Debian which is not available for Ubuntu, let us know and we will correct that11:00
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mdzcrimsun: get used to it :-)11:01
crimsunmdz :)11:01
supertedhow would one get java working in mozilla and mozilla based browsers like epi ?11:01
theantixmdz, how about the straw rss aggregator?  it's in debian unstable but not in ubuntu's universe11:01
lmlmdz & goatboy_: What is the tasks to do a rebuild of the Debian packages? Or is it easier (for a novice) to do a complie from source.11:02
Lowewhat version of apache should i install?11:02
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mdztheantix: it is in universe11:03
mdzlml: I will be providing mythtv packages built for ubuntu, if you can be patient11:03
theantixmdz: ah, must be new then... I swear I checked a few days ago... apologies11:03
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lmlmdz: I am patient, just would like an estimate on the arival ;-)11:04
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mdzlml: I estimate <24 hours11:04
lmlmdz: Very nice, I will not start the installation until next week. Just doing preparations.11:05
mdzlml: no hurry, then11:05
finthis laptop says the max res for it is 1024x76811:05
finbut it looks all jagged, likes its streched :\11:06
finany ideas on some things  i can try11:06
tvon|X31fin: do you know in fact what the LCD resolution is?11:06
finthe website says 1024x76811:06
tvon|X31not what X is using, what the LCD is made for11:06
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finso i set it to that.11:06
lmlmdz: As part of my preparations I am a bit puzzled that neither TVTime or xawTV is to be found as a package.11:06
mdzlml: they are in universe11:07
Dougallcan anyone offer any help with ati binary drivers ? I installed the drivers with apt-get, but the machine still seems to be using mesa gl11:07
mdzalong with everything else from sid which is not officially supported11:07
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lmlOki, I will check again.11:08
fini guess i'll just play with it11:08
goatboy_mdz: I don't suppose you'd be open to amd64 packages, would you? :)11:08
lmlmdz: Thanx again.11:08
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mdzgoatboy_: absolutely11:09
mdzI intend to build it for amd64, but I don't have an amd64 with a capture card so I can't test the backend11:09
goatboy_mdz: I'm running your packages rebuilt for amd64.11:09
goatboy_seems to be working.11:10
mdzgoatboy_: backend as well?11:10
mdzvery cool11:10
mdzI'll go aheda and publish amd64 packages for ubuntu, then11:10
goatboy_cool, thanks.11:11
theantixcan someone else check to see if straw is in universe?  mdz says its there, but I can't see it anywhere -- I need to know if I'm going crazy or what, "apt-cache search straw" returns no results11:11
lamonttheantix: src is there...11:12
mdztheantix: the source is there; it is possible that it failed to build11:12
lamonti386 ftbfs11:12
lamontrunning build_desktop11:12
lamontintltool-merge does not exist in your PATH. Make sure it exists in your PATH..11:12
theantixokay thanks... it failed to build for me too.  no worries.11:13
lamontmdz/theantix: if a bug shows up to remind me, I'll add the missing build-dep11:13
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finok, it was in 800x600 for some reason, i think cause its 24bit mode and this is an older pc.  ima move it over to 16 and try11:14
finneed to get my external mouse working as well, i hate touch pads!11:14
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theantixlamont, pardon my ignorance, but I'm not sure what component to file the bug under :-/11:18
siretartis qt 3.3.2 somewhere available for ubuntu?11:18
leormeif i put something in the trashcan, it says that has nothing inside. it's a known bug?11:18
siretartor what is the correct way for asking for newer packages? bugzilla oder mailinglist?11:18
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lamonttheantix: either 'straw', or 'UNKNOWN' (if straw not found)11:20
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chapeaurougewhere is the init for console multi-user?11:20
lamontcomponent is source package.  sadly (or happily, dunno some days) not all source packages are there.11:20
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punkassanyone here using ndiswrapper?11:23
lamontcan anyone reproduce #1577 using util-linux_2.12-7ubuntu4?11:23
ChrifferAll these wierd mouse problems need to be fixed the random doubleclicks and the inability to drag through the menus is really starting to annoy me11:25
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finon a laptop, whats the general /dev for a ps/2 mouse?11:25
finim confused cause there is one for touch and for mouse, i would like to keep the touch pad, just in case, but i wanna use a ps/2 mouse if its plugged in at boot11:25
finhmm, it has that,  but the mouse still no workied11:26
jg_fin: often /dev/input/mice is more what you want....11:26
finhave that as well11:26
chapeaurougefin, i wrote a howto for that, specifically for synaptics touchpad11:26
finthe touchpad works, but not the mouse :(11:26
finchap: link?11:26
chapeaurougejust a sec..11:26
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jg_so ubuntu tells me there is no APM support in the kernel....  (I'm on a laptop).11:27
jg_anyone have a clue what I should do?11:27
truk-awayjg_: have you tried acpi?11:27
chapeaurougelook at the bootom to make both mouses work11:27
jg_truk-away: laptop too old for acpi.11:27
chapeaurougeEVERY RUNLEVEL HAS GDM start?!?!?11:27
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truk-awayjg_: ok11:27
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truk-awaychapeaurouge: runlevel 2 has gdm?11:28
finthanks again chap: letcha know how it works :)11:28
cartmanwhats the nickname of "Matt Zimmerman" ?11:28
chapeaurougeeveryone of them11:28
chapeaurougeexcept 1 (for maintenance, fortunately!!)11:28
schweebcartman: mdz11:28
chapeaurougenp fin11:28
cartmanschweeb: cheers11:28
chapeaurougerunlevel 2 should be without gdm11:28
schweebmdz rules.11:28
truk-awayumm, that's bad, report that as a bug, if you think is wrong (i think is wrong)11:28
cartmanmdz: ping?11:28
chapeaurougetruk-away, ok11:28
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cartmanmdz: re-ping :)11:30
mdzcartman: yes?11:30
cartmanmdz: ( I am not subscribed to ubuntu-devel so I tell here ) ntp.nasa.gov is open to public11:31
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cartman+ reliable11:31
cartmananyway laters11:33
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tvon|X31poort cartman...everything he said I heard it in South Park Cartman's voice11:45
wm_eddiehttp://www.planetbeagle.org/ anybody else not able to click on the links on the right?11:46
wm_eddie(In firefox)11:46
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wm_eddie(The links section to be specific)11:47
joebeastiecant in safari11:47
joebeastielinks and feed do not work11:47
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wm_eddie<li><a href="http://www.gnome.org/projects/beagle/">Beagle</a></li> .. yup11:48
theantixdoesn't work in epiphany either11:49
wm_eddiemight be a geko bug.. or whatever it is called.11:51
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housetiersome of those links work11:54
tvon|X31but they all *should*11:56
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thomi think someone's fried the markup11:57
thomfirst two work, past that nada11:58
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theantixif you copy the sidebar html to a new document, all the links work -- very odd11:58
tvon|X31include the css?11:59
tvon|X31I figured it was some css margin/padding/overlap problem11:59
socommHello, anyone know why the xv video driver will not work with Mplayer and Totem?11:59
theantixnope, that might be it11:59

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