[12:00] <Kamion> Kosai: hmmmmm
[12:00] <neighborlee> speaking of which I need to get a svideo cable so I can start watching tv here <G>
[12:00] <topyli> Kosai: when the smoke is gone, check all the connections once more
[12:01] <topyli> neighborlee: lyx qt is better than the xforms one though, and i really like lyx. there's also the k3b problem that makes us install 10000000000 M of qt and kde libraries
[12:02] <topyli> say nothing, i can already hear it: just use cdrecord
[12:04] <neighborlee> topyli, heh
[12:04] <Kamion> topyli: the TV in question is > 20 years old, it's possible some part has just gone
[12:04] <jmhodges> hehe, from updating to PR firefox without restarting the browser: http://somethingsimilar.com/images/firefoxwhoops.png
[12:04] <neighborlee> topyli, I do tend to use cdrecord at command line frankly LOL
[12:04] <FX|Laptop> grrrr still having trouble with my wireless. There no forum yet is there?
[12:05] <topyli> well, tv's just go at some time :(
[12:05] <neighborlee> topyli, that way I know i'm getting a bootable CD ;-)..although I should grab elcipit again soon if its still around..nice UI
[12:06] <topyli> well, it's all just machinery -- the software, the hardware -- fsck it. it's your data that counts
[12:08] <neighborlee> heh yes
[12:08] <neighborlee> oops I meant: eclipit
[12:08] <neighborlee> although yeah k3b sure is sweet minus is one dependency LOL
[12:10] <neighborlee> well darn this kidna bites..so i'm kinda outta luck if I want to get the netbeans IDE which comes with j2re ?..just wondering cause as I say the symlinking didn't work ;((
[12:10] <neighborlee> nm ill get ide separately
[12:10] <neighborlee> odd though as the symlink usually works
[12:10] <Deft> what symlinking?
[12:11] <neighborlee> Deft, for java
[12:11] <Deft> the plugin?
[12:11] <neighborlee> Deft, ln -s /usr/java/blah/blah .
[12:11] <neighborlee> yup
[12:12] <Deft> check you have permission to actually access it; run 'file /usr/lib/moz....so'
[12:12] <topyli> neighborlee: are you using the debian package or did you install the sun package?
[12:12] <neighborlee> Deft, yes I have permissin
[12:12] <neighborlee> ion
[12:13] <neighborlee> topyli, sun package..then I did the symlink as noted on debians how-to site
[12:13] <neighborlee> topyli, well its not just a debian howto..it applies to most all distros
[12:13] <Deft> sure? that's the only issue I had with it
[12:13] <neighborlee> Deft, positive
[12:14] <mwh_> Hi, I just installed ubuntu on my workstation, unfortunately when gdm starts the display is just black :(
[12:14] <topyli> neighborlee: that's how i do it on anything other than debian. but on debian you should install the debian package that makes everything right, instantly :)
[12:14] <mwh_> I have to gfx-cards maybe thats the problem
[12:14] <neighborlee> topyli, yup its installing
[12:14] <mwh_> anyone here who has more than one monitor running with ubuntu?
[12:15] <neighborlee> topyli, guess i'm too used to manually doing it LOL..hahah
[12:15] <topyli> "debian is hard to install and use" :)
[12:15] <neighborlee> topyli, well unless you use one of the flavors of debian that comes preinstalled with most of the plugins...
[12:16] <neighborlee> topyli, heh
[12:16] <topyli> ah, the commercial suckers :)
[12:16] <neighborlee> topyli, which typically is why i've avoided it but thanks to these new distros thats no longer such an issue lol
[12:18] <topyli> heh, ubuntu does actually seem to be very cool, very free. also, provides support for almost-unstable, which saves me from actually running unstable! what more can you ask?
[12:19] <Ycros> coffee would be nice right about now :E
[12:19] <neighborlee> topyli, not much thats for sure heh
[12:20] <neighborlee> topyli, okay this apt java installer thing isn't allowing me past : (END) ??
[12:20] <neighborlee> its asking me to read the copyright stuff but i'm not getting a yes/no at end for some reason is what I mean
[12:21] <topyli> heh. it's just 'less'. press space :)
[12:21] <neighborlee> tried that
[12:21] <neighborlee> no go
[12:21] <neighborlee> I just  hear a beap sound ;-)
[12:21] <neighborlee> beep
[12:22] <topyli> hmmm. that's a new beep to me :(
[12:22] <neighborlee> heh
[12:22] <neighborlee> ohhhhhhhh LOL
[12:22] <topyli> what?
[12:22] <neighborlee> I had to 'esc:q' LOL!!!
[12:23] <topyli> rofl
[12:23] <neighborlee> that aint how its suppose to work but ooooooookay ;-))<wink>
[12:23] <topyli> you have vi as the $PAGER ?
[12:24] <topyli> file a bug in ubuntu :)
[12:24] <neighborlee> i've not changed anything faik regarding that option
[12:24] <neighborlee> np I'm willing to do that if its really a bug and not user LOL
[12:25] <neighborlee> I helped squash one bug already ;-)heh
[12:25] <neighborlee> a 'minor' one but hey!!
[12:25] <topyli> it's a sin. except rms says using vi is not a sin but a penance :)
[12:25] <neighborlee> topyli, lollllll
[12:26] <topyli> heh
[12:26] <neighborlee> topyli, well..I prefer nano I think frankly..somehow I got used to vi..man I gotta break this cycle ..lmao
[12:26] <Cardador> is anybody tried to ssh to an ubuntu machine?
[12:26] <Cardador> has*
[12:26] <Kamion> Cardador: install openssh-server
[12:26] <Cardador> damn :)
[12:26] <intero> hi
[12:26] <topyli> Cardador: i do it all the time :)
[12:27] <neighborlee> intero, hi
[12:27] <topyli> Cardador: yeah, they broke it in two.
[12:27] <Cardador> Kamion: i wanted to acess the pc that is on my workplace
[12:27] <intero> hi neighborlee 
[12:27] <Cardador> now i guess ill do it tomorrow morning :)
[12:28] <topyli> Cardador: sorry, but i think it's a good decision to break it into user-space and the server.
[12:29] <Cardador> topyli: i didnt say it wasnt :P i just needed to acess a file. any sugestion?
[12:29] <topyli> crack it. and then file a bug :)
[12:29] <Cardador> eheh 
[12:29] <dieman> i guess im starting to like hotplug, mostly because someone is maintaing its hw info well
[12:30] <mwh_> got it working nice
[12:31] <keifer> anyone manage to get flux installed?
[12:33] <neighborlee> keifer, use gnome sorry..but flux is nice yeah
[12:33] <holger> hi, i have overwritten my bootloader for to other partitions. Where can i find the grub.conf or whatever?
[12:38] <holger> I still have the old fedora grub.conf. 
[12:38] <topyli> Cardador: when you install ssh on debian, it asks you if you want to run the server or not. i think ubuntu installs just the user part on purpose... 
[12:41] <crimsun> correct. you have to ``sudo apt-get install openssh-server'' if you want sshd
[12:41] <Kamion> topyli: the Ubuntu configuration is just what's in Debian experimental, really; I co-maintain openssh in Debian and am coordinating the two
[12:42] <holger> is it menu.lst?
[12:42] <topyli> Kamion: this is good policy -- in debian and elsewhere, imo
[12:42] <Kamion> holger: yes
[12:42] <holger> ok, thanks
[12:52] <koke> hi
[12:52] <koke> can't get qemu working in ppc :(
[12:53] <koke> qemu: could not load PPC bios 'ppc_rom.bin' (524288)
[12:53] <koke> -rw-r--r--    1 koke     koke       524288 2004-09-23 00:49 ppc_rom.bin
[12:55] <Mitario> nite all
[12:58] <WW> Hey, I just updated the wiki with instructions for playing DVDs: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[12:59] <WW> Could a few experts make sure it looks reasonably correct?
[01:00] <trukulo> WW: wouldn't be better making it in shell with apt-get ?
[01:01] <Hrdwr_BoB> need to add a note: these archives are not affiliated with ubuntu and make infringe laws in certain countries
[01:01] <WW> trukulo: That depends on what type of user is reading the instrutions.
[01:01] <Cardador> trukulo: the people that do it in a shell dont need help
[01:01] <WW> What Cardador said :)
[01:01] <arachne> sure
[01:01] <trukulo> Cardador: that's right
[01:01] <arachne> is there a doc translation project ?
[01:02] <trukulo> WW: that looks good for me
[01:02] <WW> trukulo: You could also add a second set of instructions based on the command line... go for it.
[01:02] <trukulo> WW: 1.00 am here, time to sleep, not to write in wiki :)
[01:02] <WW> :)
[01:02] <trukulo> tomorrow i've to work hard
[01:02] <Hrdwr_BoB> oh piffle :p
[01:03] <trukulo> pop3 to imap migration in a network :P
[01:05] <WW> Hrdwr_Bob: Yeah, I realize that even though it is one of the most frequently asked questions here, having instructions in the wiki might cause legal problems.  If the ubuntu folks take it out for legal reasons, well, so be it.
[01:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> yeah
[01:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> just put the note in
[01:05] <chutwig> hello friends
[01:06] <Hrdwr_BoB> just so people know :)
[01:06] <Hrdwr_BoB> no-one will read it anyway :)
[01:07] <trukulo> we need java and flash howto's
[01:07] <trukulo> i've got java howto in my web, but in spanish
[01:09] <housetier> there are debian specific java howtos
[01:09] <trukulo> mine is valid for sarge, sid and ubuntu
[01:10] <housetier> http://z42.de/debian/
[01:10] <housetier> that's what I have been using
[01:11] <trukulo> i prefer to make by hand
[01:11] <trukulo> because i can use latest jre avalaible
[01:11] <Cardador> i have a problem. when i try to eject my cds, i have to unmount them first. is it a feature or a bug?
[01:12] <trukulo> a feature
[01:12] <trukulo> because if you press eject button without wanting... what happens if it's copying files?
[01:12] <Cardador> it should be smt like "are you sure you want to eject the cd?" :)
[01:13] <trukulo> where?
[01:13] <trukulo> at terminal? at X ?
[01:13] <trukulo> imagine you have no monitor
[01:13] <WW> Hrdwr_BoB: Done.
[01:13] <trukulo> i've got a lot of machines without monitor
[01:13] <chutwig> is anyone else having problems trying to connect to the repositories?
[01:14] <chutwig> wait, there it goes
[01:14] <Cardador> ok trukulo, no problem for me with that, but i guess that for a windows newcomer it will be difficult to figure out how to get the cd out of the drive
[01:15] <trukulo> Cardador: could be, yes
[01:15] <trukulo> but it's more secure
[01:15] <trukulo> i prefer security than make life easier for windows users
[01:15] <chutwig> it won't unmount the disc unless it's not in use
[01:16] <chutwig> you can't eject it whenever you want anyway
[01:16] <Cardador> but then about 95% of all computer users are windows users :)
[01:16] <trukulo> Cardador: and what?
[01:16] <chutwig> the first time it wouldn't automatically unmount for me, but then it started working on subsequent tries
[01:16] <trukulo> we have to make system less secure for that?
[01:16] <chutwig> um, what
[01:16] <Cardador> so it is likelly that a lot of people that starts using ubuntu are coming from windows
[01:16] <chutwig> "secure"?
[01:16] <Se7h> where is flash ?
[01:16] <chutwig> this is ejecting a CD
[01:17] <Cardador> not less secure, but maybe making it easier to figure out
[01:17] <trukulo> chutwig: if you have a CD in a server, and people want to put one in the drive
[01:17] <Cardador> a panel applet with a cd should do it
[01:17] <trukulo> what would happen if you are using one?
[01:17] <Kamion> this isn't about security
[01:17] <chutwig> this is a "security" issue?
[01:18] <trukulo> i think it's security
[01:18] <chutwig> um
[01:18] <Kamion> if somebody else has physical access to your secure server, you lose. end of story.
[01:18] <chutwig> no
[01:18] <trukulo> Kamion: imagine there are two sysadmins for a server
[01:18] <Kamion> trukulo: it is not about security, really
[01:18] <Cardador> Se7h: http://penguin.dq.fct.unl.pt/~crlf/linux/net/
[01:18] <chutwig> imagine a series of increasingly irrelevant and pointless situations
[01:18] <trukulo> i see a security
[01:18] <Kamion> we don't
[01:19] <Kamion> Cardador: right-click then eject should unmount the CD first
[01:19] <chutwig> if it lets people exploit the system in some way, it's a security issue
[01:19] <Kamion> (for you)
[01:19] <Cardador> Kamion: i know that
[01:19] <Kamion> Cardador: if that doesn't happen, please file a bug
[01:19] <Cardador> but i have to go to computer, then disks, then right click, then eject
[01:19] <Kamion> Cardador: the fact that the eject button doesn't work is enforced by the kernel, to avoid data corruption
[01:19] <trukulo> for me is more secure if a cd is being used, that it can't be ejected
[01:20] <mojo> ppl
[01:20] <mojo> FireFOX1 is avail for download
[01:20] <chutwig> trukulo: enough about the CD crap already
[01:20] <mojo> too cool
[01:20] <Kamion> Cardador: ah, in the daily CD builds an icon pops up on your desktop for the CD
[01:20] <trukulo> well , is more secure if there isn't file corruption
[01:20] <trukulo> lol
[01:20] <chutwig> nobody cares
[01:20] <Cardador> Kamion: ok
[01:21] <Kamion> Cardador: that should help out the new users, we think; it's kind of a stopgap measure, and we'd like to do something better for the next release
[01:21] <Kamion> Cardador: there was a fair amount of talk at the technical board meeting about it :)
[01:21] <Cardador> Kamion: what about a panel applet?
[01:21] <Cardador> that would be even bette :)
[01:21] <trukulo> Kamion: what about supermount?
[01:21] <Kamion> Cardador: that's probably what we'll do for the next release
[01:21] <Kamion> Cardador: but it wasn't written/tested/debugged in time
[01:22] <Kamion> Cardador: time-based releases, feel the love :-)
[01:22] <Cardador> ok, so keep up the good work ;)
[01:22] <Kamion> mojo: that seems to be 1.0PR1?
[01:22] <Kamion> mojo: that just went into warty
[01:23] <Kamion> (source, anyway, not sure if it's built yet)
[01:23] <Kamion> ah, yes, it's built
[01:23] <trukulo> Kamion: what about patching kernel with supermount?
[01:24] <chutwig> hmm
[01:25] <chutwig> gnome does not seem to be in any particular mood to start up after this last upgrade set
[01:26] <ish> ubuntu is my first experience running gnome regularly.. my laptop is always running hot, is that common?
[01:26] <Hrdwr_BoB> ish: hm.. it shouldn't
[01:26] <Hrdwr_BoB> perhaps speed step isn't working properly?
[01:26] <trukulo> ish: do you have acpi enabled ?
[01:26] <lynrees> hi!
[01:27] <lynrees> Where does my local mail get dilivered to?
[01:27] <lynrees> delivered even!
[01:27] <trukulo> to your local account
[01:27] <trukulo> you can configure evolution to see it
[01:27] <lynrees> Ok! Where is that, it's not at /var/mail/username
[01:28] <trukulo> look for local accounts in evolution and use your user/pw
[01:28] <ish> trukulo: had to go back to apm.. laptop locked solid when I did such things as pull the power plug, or even when the fan kicked.
[01:28] <ish> its running cooler with apm, but still hot..
[01:29] <ish> if I run fvwm it seems to run cooler.
[01:29] <trukulo> ish: try booting with append : nolapic 
[01:29] <Cardador> lynrees: try at ~/.evolution/mail
[01:32] <lynrees> Cardador: Doesn't seem to work
[01:34] <lynrees> By the way, ubuntu looks pretty good in Welsh!
[01:34] <ish> truk-zzz: nolapic or noapic?
[01:34] <lynrees> Well gnome does anyway.
[01:34] <chutwig> APIC is something very different from ACPI
[01:35] <dieman> im impressed, vnc works from my gnome desktop at work on ubuntu to my gprs connection
[01:35] <dieman> but its *slow*
[01:36] <__randy__> Does anyone know how to turn on Java support in Open Office
[01:46] <FX|Laptop> Hello again. :)
[01:47] <FX|Laptop> What would I need to watch dvd movies?
[01:47] <FX|Laptop> I got libdvdcss2. But it hangs when trying to start the movie.
[01:47] <HcE> is totem available?
[01:48] <Slackeerb> you guys added firefox 1.0! I love you guys. =)
[01:48] <FX|Laptop> I came with the install
[01:48] <FX|Laptop> Totem that is.
[01:48] <phlaegel> FX|Laptop: you probably want to switch to totem-xine
[01:49] <_Hiro_> or ogle, ogle is nice for dvds
[01:49] <FX|Laptop> umm, how would I go about that?
[01:49] <_Hiro_> apt-get install totem-xine  or use synaptic 
[01:49] <eaxnt> 1.0 ?
[01:50] <eaxnt> already
[01:50] <Hrdwr_BoB> 1.0PR
[01:50] <eaxnt> I didnt even know 1.0 was out
[01:50] <eaxnt> 0_o
[01:50] <eaxnt> have 9.3 
[01:50] <phlaegel> it isn't. it's a preview release
[01:50] <_Hiro_> FX|Laptop Computer >> System Configuration >> Synaptic Package Manager
[01:51] <FX|Laptop> I don't mind the cli. :)
[01:51] <eaxnt> alls you need
[01:51] <eaxnt> is mplayer
[01:52] <WW> eaxnt: I tried mplayer, but it didn't play full screen.
[01:52] <eaxnt> FX|Laptop: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html
[01:52] <arachne> will ubuntu officially support mplayer ?
[01:52] <eaxnt> WW: thats because you're slow .. press F and it goes to full screen
[01:52] <phlaegel> arachne: doubtful, it has legal issues
[01:52] <eaxnt> yeah , codecs use reverse engineered stuff
[01:53] <arachne> ha ok
[01:53] <arachne> it's legal here
[01:54] <FX|Laptop> thanks the totem-xine worked. Now if I could get wireless working. :)
[01:54] <eaxnt> FX|Laptop: download 1.0PRE5 .. and under codecs below , 'essentail' you can get others if you want
[01:54] <jeedee> There's a bug report about Lilo in bugzilla, is there any way to install lilo from ubuntu?
[01:54] <eaxnt> jeedee: grub is betta
[01:54] <eaxnt> FX|Laptop: whats wrong with wireless
[01:55] <eaxnt> FX|Laptop: is your card supported , if so .. do you have the modules loaded "lsmod" if you dont see it , you need to modprobe <driver_name>
[01:55] <jeedee> I know that's why my computer wont start after I install ubuntu, grub hangs
[01:55] <FX|Laptop> Well I have a signal on the signal monitor, but can't get to lan or net.
[01:55] <arachne> do you expect the web site to be translated soon ?
[01:55] <FX|Laptop> The install noticed my Athreos card from what I seen.
[01:55] <eaxnt> jeedee: it hangs because you didnt install it right , or you have something screwed up with your drive configuration , grub is stable and works
[01:56] <eaxnt> FX|Laptop: 'ifconfig'
[01:56] <jeedee> Tell me something I dont know :P I just need to find a way to make it work but it does not output anything, it just hangs at Loading Stage ...
[01:56] <jeedee> Lilo, grub, I don't care as long as it works
[01:56] <eaxnt> jeedee: make sure it wrote itself to the MBR , and not the root sector of the drive 
[01:56] <Se7h> what's the path to mozilla ?
[01:56] <jeedee> It did
[01:56] <eaxnt> Se7h: installing flash ?
[01:56] <jeedee> I just need to find a way to install Lilo to test
[01:57] <eaxnt> Se7h: its /usr/lib/mozilla(1.6)
[01:57] <Se7h> yeah
[01:57] <Se7h> u sure?
[01:57] <eaxnt> try
[01:57] <eaxnt> /usr/lib/mozilla
[01:57] <eaxnt> or /usr/lib/mozilla-1.6
[01:58] <FX|Laptop> hmm It shows up (ath0) and eth0 show up.
[01:58] <eaxnt> it will tell if its not the right 
[01:58] <eaxnt> FX|Laptop: ifconfig eth0 up , ifconfig ath0 up
[01:58] <Se7h> WARNING: Please enter a valid installation path.
[01:58] <eaxnt> Se7h: mozilla under ubuntu is under /usr/lib/mozilla , are you using firefox ?
[01:59] <WW> exant: Just to be sure, I tried it again.  "Full screen" in mplayer doesn't actually use the full screen.  It plays in a small rectangle in the middle of teh screen.  totem-xine shows a bigger display.
[01:59] <Se7h> yes
[01:59] <Se7h> sorry
[01:59] <eaxnt> its /usr/lib/mozilla or /usr/lib/mozilla-1.6
[01:59] <Hrdwr_BoB> oooh
[01:59] <Hrdwr_BoB> WW: mplayer -vo xv
[01:59] <eaxnt> Se7h: if its firefox .. 'whereis firefox'
[01:59] <Hrdwr_BoB> WW: marillat is a cracksmoker and put x11 as the default
[02:00] <Hrdwr_BoB> sudo vi /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[02:00] <FX|Laptop> hmm still doesn't work.
[02:00] <Se7h> WARNING: /usr/bin/firefox is not a directory.
[02:00] <Se7h> erg
[02:00] <Hrdwr_BoB> %s/x11/xv/
[02:00] <eaxnt> Hrdwr_BoB: let him read the flipping manual ..
[02:00] <Hrdwr_BoB> shouldn't have to though
[02:00] <eaxnt> Se7h: I'm not entirely sure where firefox installs itself , try /usr/lib/firefox
[02:01] <Hrdwr_BoB> it's the most retarded default
[02:01] <Hrdwr_BoB> surely sdl would make more sense
[02:01] <eaxnt> Hrdwr_BoB: no it wouldnt 0_o
[02:01] <phlaegel> you know, you can put the mplayer config in your home dir, then it survives reinstalls, etc.
[02:01] <Se7h> seth@devil ~ $ whereis firefox
[02:01] <Se7h> firefox: /usr/bin/firefox /usr/share/man/man1/firefox.1.gz
[02:01] <eaxnt> phlaegel: rofl .. yeah
[02:01] <phlaegel> Hrdwr_BoB: lowest common denominator
[02:01] <Hrdwr_BoB> eaxnt: why not? the package depends on SDL in any case, and SDL will check if xv is there and use it
[02:01] <Hrdwr_BoB> if not it will use X11
[02:01] <eaxnt> Hrdwr_BoB: they put it to whatever works with most peoples systems ...
[02:01] <Hrdwr_BoB> phlaegel: sdl is a dependancy in any case, and will output it in x11
[02:02] <Clint> sdl doesn't always work
[02:02] <eaxnt> no shit
[02:02] <eaxnt> hes confused
[02:02] <eaxnt> Se7h: sorry man , I dont know where it goes .. try /usr/lib/firefox , browse /usr/lib and look for firefox's directory , I know mozilla uses /usr/lib .. if not try /usr/local/lib /usr/local/bin , etc
[02:02] <Hrdwr_BoB> x11 may 'work' in more cases, but in the vast majority of cases, people will want sdl or xv
[02:02] <WW> Hrdwr_BoB: mplayer -vo xv didn't work.  It couldn't open .mplayer/codec.conf
[02:03] <Se7h> ok
[02:03] <eaxnt> Hrdwr_BoB: what does that matter .. its what works most often
[02:03] <Se7h> thanks eaxnt
[02:03] <eaxnt> np
[02:03] <eaxnt> Hrdwr_BoB: if they really wanted to fix it .. they'd write an installer and autoprober , and host if offshore =]  static binary that works with everything 
[02:04] <Hrdwr_BoB> eaxnt: who is 'they' in this case
[02:04] <WW> ... but I'm sure that's a configuration thing that I can deal with when I need it.
[02:04] <WW> Later
[02:04] <Hrdwr_BoB> it IS hosted 'offshore'
[02:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> it's not an official part of anything
[02:05] <eaxnt> Hrdwr_BoB: offshore == country that doesnt give a shit , ie. not the USA/some countries in europe/japan/etc
[02:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> I know, I said it was
[02:05] <eaxnt> oh 
[02:05] <eaxnt> hehe
[02:05] <eaxnt> I misread that 
[02:05] <eaxnt> sorry
[02:05] <eaxnt> they could still make it a binary static installer , compile it for you =] 
[02:06] <Hrdwr_BoB> why?
[02:06] <Hrdwr_BoB> there's a huge infrastructure called debconf
[02:06] <Hrdwr_BoB> which is in place specifically for that
[02:06] <Hrdwr_BoB> I just think xv is a much more sane default
[02:06] <Hrdwr_BoB> (well, sdl)
[02:06] <eaxnt> its not
[02:06] <eaxnt> its actually sort of stupid
[02:06] <eaxnt> hehe
[02:07] <Hrdwr_BoB> why?
[02:07] <eaxnt> what works on most peoples boxes == default, sdl/xv isnt the obvious choice
[02:07] <eaxnt> x11 is
[02:07] <Hrdwr_BoB> what works on most peoples boxes is xv
[02:07] <eaxnt> 0_o
[02:08] <Se7h> synaptic is easier
[02:08] <Se7h> lolol
[02:08] <Hrdwr_BoB> how many PCs have you seen recently that don't support xv
[02:08] <eaxnt> PCs
[02:08] <eaxnt> hehe
[02:09] <FX|Laptop> test
[02:09] <eaxnt> uhm
[02:09] <eaxnt> Hrdwr_BoB, 
[02:09] <eaxnt> google for
[02:09] <eaxnt> 'mplayer , xv'
[02:09] <Hrdwr_BoB> wow
[02:10] <Hrdwr_BoB> a whole lot of messages from 2002 and 2003
[02:10] <FX|Laptop> grrr, stupid wireless.
[02:10] <eaxnt> Hrdwr_BoB: problem with xv , xv problem 
[02:10] <eaxnt> FX|Laptop..
[02:10] <Hrdwr_BoB> omg
[02:10] <Hrdwr_BoB> three people had a problem
[02:11] <eaxnt> dude
[02:11] <eaxnt> top 10 results
[02:11] <eaxnt> xv
[02:11] <eaxnt> mplayer
[02:11] <Hrdwr_BoB> meanwhile, the 10,000 people who needed it set by default
[02:11] <eaxnt> == problems
[02:11] <eaxnt> just drop it .. you iz wrong 
[02:11] <eaxnt> hehe
[02:11] <FX|Laptop> eaxnt, just having trouble with the wireless yet.
[02:12] <Hrdwr_BoB> people will always have problems.
[02:13] <lamont> any autocrap gurus around who want to write a patch that makes gal build on warty?
[02:15] <eaxnt> FX|Laptop, 
[02:15] <eaxnt> can you traceroute/ping any of the boxes on your lan ?
[02:15] <eaxnt> are you sure there is even ip connectivity
[02:15] <eaxnt> 'ifconfig'
[02:15] <eaxnt> tell me whats there
[02:15] <eaxnt> priv msg
[02:16] <eaxnt> wireless connecting to a wireless router with DHCP ?
[02:17] <FX|Laptop> I'm gonna trying something eaxnt. I'll brb.
[02:18] <eaxnt> whats the best burning built on gtk?
[02:18] <eaxnt> burning/ burning application
[02:19] <Hrdwr_BoB> nautilus
[02:19] <jdub> nautilus-cd-burner is really easy to use
[02:19] <Hrdwr_BoB> unfortunately there's no real killer cd burning app
[02:19] <Hrdwr_BoB> which is desperately needed
[02:20] <eaxnt> it does audio cds
[02:20] <eaxnt> video cds
[02:20] <eaxnt> all that 
[02:20] <eaxnt> ?
[02:20] <jdub> nup
[02:20] <jdub> just data
[02:20] <eaxnt> 0_o
[02:20] <jdub> k3b is in universe if you want to try that
[02:20] <eaxnt> I have that
[02:20] <Hrdwr_BoB> you can use gcombust but it's crap
[02:20] <eaxnt> I prefer gtk stuff , I dont like k3b spawning kdeinit crap
[02:21] <Hrdwr_BoB> well - it works, but the UI was designed by monkeys
[02:21] <eaxnt> is anyone working on one , beyond k3b
[02:22] <eaxnt> Im browsing sf/freshmeat
[02:22] <eaxnt> just polling , thought maybe I missed something
[02:23] <Hrdwr_BoB> I don't believe so
[02:25] <FX|Laptop> welp that didn't work either.
[02:27] <eaxnt> FX|Laptop: does the wireless device get an ip from dhcp ?
[02:27] <eaxnt> FX|Laptop: 'ifconfig'
[02:27] <eaxnt> look at 'ath0'
[02:27] <eaxnt> does it have an IP ?
[02:29] <FX|Laptop> No eaxnt it doesn't
[02:30] <eaxnt> well , thats why it wont connect to anything
[02:30] <eaxnt> 'dhclient' 
[02:30] <eaxnt> I assume your wireless router supports DHCP , get a dhcp client (dhclient) or (pump) 
[02:30] <eaxnt> run one of them
[02:30] <eaxnt> it should assign it an IP
[02:30] <FX|Laptop> Well when I set this up or did the install I should say I had static. How can I change it to dhcp.
[02:31] <eaxnt> you just install dhclient/pump
[02:31] <eaxnt> and run it
[02:31] <eaxnt> err wait
[02:31] <eaxnt> sorry
[02:31] <eaxnt> thats not right
[02:32] <eaxnt> http://www.resnet.ubc.ca/support/dhcp/linux/debian-dhcp/debian-dhcp.html
[02:32] <eaxnt> 'apt-get install pump'
[02:32] <eaxnt> then run pump
[02:32] <FX|Laptop> So I can change the static to the dhcp from when I installed?
[02:32] <eaxnt> debconf should prompt you for which interface it wants to use
[02:32] <eaxnt> use 'ath0'
[02:32] <eaxnt> yeah , just install 'pump'
[02:32] <eaxnt> 'apt-get install pump'
[02:33] <eaxnt> it will prompt you for the interface
[02:33] <eaxnt> which is ath0
[02:33] <FX|Laptop> hmm Ok I'll give it a shot
[02:33] <eaxnt> it'll work
[02:33] <eaxnt> hehe
[02:38] <FX|Laptop> eaxnt, well not sure what pump is suppose to do, but nothing happen when I ran it in a term.
[02:39] <chutwig> pump is a dhcp client
[02:39] <eaxnt> it GETS an IP for your network interface card 
[02:39] <eaxnt> via dhcp
[02:39] <eaxnt> and , it doesnt do anything when you run it
[02:39] <eaxnt> 'ifconfig'
[02:39] <eaxnt> it have an IP now ?
[02:40] <FX|Laptop> nope. and eth0 is still stuck at the static ip I set up when I install ubuntu.
[02:40] <eaxnt> pump aht0
[02:40] <eaxnt> pump ath0
[02:41] <FX|Laptop> ~ $ pump ath0
[02:41] <FX|Laptop> pump: no extra parameters are expecte
[02:41] <eaxnt> pump --help
[02:41] <eaxnt> look for a flag dealing with 'interface'
[02:41] <eaxnt> then add the flag with ath0 
[02:42] <punkass> if i have a second harddrive (for backup) is it ok to have partition on it  marked bootable
[02:42] <punkass> when its on the secondary IDE
[02:42] <eaxnt> you need to have the drive with MBR marked as bootable I think
[02:42] <eaxnt> oh , its on a different ide chan
[02:43] <punkass> well they can both be marked as bootable...thats why i was wondering
[02:43] <punkass> if the main one fails i want to just be able to swap over the backup
[02:44] <FX|Laptop> Ok got an ip now.
[02:51] <jono> ugh, I am so drunk :)
[02:52] <jono> mucho beer drunk :)
[02:53] <jono> I am off to bed
[02:53] <jono> night all
[03:07] <neighborlee> spell checking isn't working here in oowriter ?..anyone is having troubles with this ? ;-)) ie: version 1.1.2
[03:10] <bolivar> i would say its not working
[03:11] <eaxnt> oowriter ?
[03:11] <bolivar> open office writer
[03:11] <eaxnt> install aspell ?
[03:11] <punkass> where is the MBR located on a hard drive...its not the same as the /boot parition is it?
[03:11] <eaxnt> punkass: no
[03:12] <eaxnt> bolivar: open oowriter inside a terminal , and watch if it gives a 'so and so library missing' Im pretty sure its aspell
[03:12] <eaxnt> install that , and try again
[03:13] <bolivar> according to synaptic its installed
[03:13] <bolivar> but one sec
[03:14] <neighborlee> eaxnt,ok thx..checking
[03:15] <neighborlee> eaxnt,nope no such missing statements ..
[03:19] <Slackeerb> Can someone help. When ever I try to update apt's source list I get this error "W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems". Its says ebcause of duplicate sources.list entrys.
[03:19] <Hrdwr_BoB> Slackeerb: you probably have duplicate sources.list entries
[03:19] <Kamion> Slackeerb: do you have two sources.list entries, one 'main restricted' and the other 'main restricted universe', but otherwise identical?
[03:20] <Slackeerb> Kamion: yes =)
[03:20] <Kamion> we should probably fix up base-config not to look like it recommends that
[03:20] <Kamion> Slackeerb: ok, change 'main restricted universe' to just 'universe'
[03:20] <Slackeerb> Kamion: thx! doing so. =)
[03:21] <Slackeerb> ahh everything works perfectly now. =)
[03:21] <neighborlee> eaxnt, I already have aspell installed actually...
[03:25] <Slackeerb> Kamion: may I ask how do I make totem play avi files?
[03:26] <Britt> Slackeerb: unless I'm mistaken you need to remove totem-gstreamer and install totem-xine
[03:26] <gRegulato> hello hello?
[03:27] <Britt> Slackeerb: but I haven't gone through the process yet so I'm not 100% positive :)
[03:27] <Slackeerb> Britt: do i need to add anything to apt?
[03:28] <gRegulato> hey, i am having a problem installing ubuntu 4.10 on my ibm thinkpad
[03:28] <gRegulato> can anyone help?
[03:28] <Britt> Slackeerb: possibly ... there is one particular multimedia repo ... i think it mentions it in the FAQ
[03:28] <bolivar> feel free to ask gRegulato
[03:29] <Kamion> Slackeerb: totem-xine's in universe
[03:29] <gRegulato> The install is locking up on the "Loading components of the Ubuntu Installer" screen at 81%
[03:29] <Slackeerb> Kamion: so just apt-get totem-xine?
[03:29] <Kamion> Slackeerb: you missed 'install' in there, but yeah
[03:30] <gRegulato> "Loading module "IDE-Generic"
[03:30] <Kamion> gRegulato: suggests DMA problems on the CD, maybe
[03:30] <Slackeerb> kamion: lol ya. =) thx
[03:30] <Kamion> gRegulato: boot with hdc=nodma?
[03:30] <gRegulato> Kamion, reburn the iso?
[03:30] <gRegulato> I didnt do any options on the install
[03:31] <theantix_> is anyone here having problems with the firefox 1.0PRE that was just put up?  I'm getting segmentation faults with certain javascript pages (in Horde webmail, Gallery)
[03:32] <whiprush> hey Slackeerb did you ever get your java thing working?
[03:33] <gRegulato> The laptop i am trying to install on is old, P200, but it is a thinkpad so i would think all hardware is supported
[03:36] <Slackeerb> whiprush: I reinstalled ubuntu about half an hour ago lol. No java =(
[03:37] <Slackeerb> good night kamion!
[03:39] <schweeb> so, I'm wondering how many people have come in here tonight after having upgraded and rebooted having NVIDIA problems, heh
[03:39] <schweeb> frigging rivafb.
[03:39] <whiprush> Slackeerb: heh, I just did it today
[03:39] <whiprush> you try that debianinnovations thing?
[03:39] <Slackeerb> whiprush: debianinnovations thing? Inform me. =)
[03:40] <whiprush> ok
[03:40] <whiprush> try this
[03:40] <whiprush> deb http://debian.innovationsw.com/debian unstable/i386/
[03:40] <whiprush> deb http://debian.innovationsw.com/debian unstable/all/
[03:40] <whiprush> add those to /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:40] <whiprush> sudo apt-get update
[03:40] <whiprush> then
[03:41] <whiprush> sudo apt-get install j2sdk
[03:41] <Slackeerb> will that install the firefox plugin 2?
[03:41] <whiprush> yeah
[03:41] <whiprush> you just need to symlink it
[03:41] <whiprush> which I can figure out
[03:41] <whiprush> one sec
[03:42] <whiprush> ln -s /usr/local/lib/jdk/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[03:42] <whiprush> woo!
[03:42] <whiprush> crap, that's wrong.
[03:42] <Slackeerb> lol
[03:42] <whiprush> that last part is wrong
[03:42] <whiprush> I'll figure it out by the time that 40mb dl is done though
[03:43] <Slackeerb> lol
[03:43] <Slackeerb> k
[03:43] <Slackeerb> =)
[03:43] <schweeb> or he'll ask me :p
[03:44] <whiprush> ln -s /usr/lib/j2sdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[03:44] <neighborlee> whiprush, good luck...I tried that and had no luck
[03:44] <Slackeerb> thx I hope it works. =)
[03:44] <whiprush> relaunch firefox, then about:plugins, and you should see java in it's gray screen glory
[03:44] <neighborlee> whiprush, I wound up using apt ...worked flawlessly ;-00..
[03:45] <Slackeerb> neighborlee:?
[03:45] <whiprush> neighborlee: well, you have to make the plugin symlink by hand still
[03:45] <neighborlee> the symlink did not work
[03:45] <neighborlee> whiprush, I did indeed
[03:45] <whiprush> hmmm
[03:46] <schweeb> you're not spoofing useragent, are you?
[03:46] <schweeb> because that fucks java up hardcore
[03:46] <schweeb> immediate browser crash
[03:47] <whiprush> hmm
[03:47] <whiprush> it works for me
[03:47] <Slackeerb> this is takeing a while to download
[03:47] <whiprush> weird though, I had a zombied firefox process though
[03:47] <jdub> whiprush: got some nice stuff going into universe for testing before hoary
[03:47] <Slackeerb> whiprush: with this allow azureus to work 2?
[03:47] <whiprush> jdub: oh oh
[03:48] <jdub> whiprush: howl, gamin, polypaudio
[03:48] <whiprush> Slackeerb: yep, just get it from upstream, untar it, doubleclick on the azureus icon
[03:48] <Slackeerb> gamin?
[03:48] <whiprush> dude, gamin ++
[03:48] <whiprush> is this inotify stuff rml been blogging about going to make it?
[03:48] <Slackeerb> whiprush: you rule. =). You should make a litlle how to thingy. =
[03:48] <whiprush> Slackeerb: already working on one.
[03:49] <Slackeerb> whiprush: awesome
[03:49] <whiprush> mostly sid tricks, like that java one. Hesistant to have people use it in ubuntu though. Might blow up.
[03:50] <Slackeerb> lol
[03:50] <whiprush> jdub: you did an itp for gamin for debian a while back didn't you?
[03:51] <jdub> yeah
[03:51] <jdub> all going up to debian atm too
[03:51] <whiprush> haha, that's one of my favorite bugs ever.
[03:51] <whiprush> the next guy was like "what's wrong with fam?"
[03:51] <jdub> inotify relies on the kernel
[03:51] <Slackeerb> whiprush: its done download. Now the moment of true. (did i spell taht right?)
[03:51] <Slackeerb> downloading* my bad
[03:51] <whiprush> truth.
[03:52] <jdub> in the future, there may be gamin-inotify and gamin-dnotify or something, unless DV makes it check at runtime
[03:52] <Slackeerb> hah ya damn public schools truth*
[03:52] <whiprush> $ java -version
[03:52] <jsubl2> does gamin replace fam
[03:52] <whiprush> you should see 1.4.2-b28
[03:52] <jdub> jsubl2: yes
[03:52] <whiprush> jsubl2: yeah
[03:55] <whiprush> jdub: good to see howl go in too.
[03:55] <Slackeerb> whiprush: once again you rule. Everything works PERFECTLY. Now may I ask how I was quick time streams?
[03:56] <whiprush> ok, I totally don't understand what you just asked.
[03:56] <whiprush> can you rephrase the question?
[03:57] <Slackeerb> lol
[03:57] <Slackeerb> whiprush: I want to be able to watching streaming media online.
[03:58] <Chriffer> grab mplayer and mozilla-mplayer off somewhere
[03:58] <Chriffer> and w32codecs
[03:58] <whiprush> yep
[03:58] <Chriffer> or gxine and you can use that as a browser plugin
[03:59] <Slackeerb> ill grab gxine
[03:59] <Slackeerb> =)
[03:59] <Chriffer> gxine throws a plugin into /usr/lib/gxine/ you can just ln -s it to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[04:00] <Slackeerb> Chiffer: thx
[04:02] <Slackeerb> Chiffer I did what you said and when i go to apple .com i see "click here to install plugin"
[04:05] <Slackeerb> n/m im slow
[04:05] <wm_eddie> anybody know if they put alsaconf back into alsa-utils yet?
[04:05] <jdub> alsaconf is disabled, i believe
[04:05] <jdub> mdz: right?
[04:05] <wm_eddie> yeah, I heard.
[04:05] <mdz> correct
[04:05] <mdz> gone bye-bye
[04:06] <wm_eddie> but my laptop needs it :(
[04:06] <mdz> for what?
[04:06] <wm_eddie> to configure my isa sound card.
[04:06] <wm_eddie> and alsaconf knows how to set my sound card up correctly.
[04:07] <whiprush> http://www.arslinux.com/~jorge/sources.list
[04:07] <whiprush> ok
[04:07] <whiprush> there's my unofficial, unsupported sources.list for anyone interested
[04:08] <whiprush> should handle most of the gray area stuff.
[04:08] <wm_eddie> whiprush: like mplayer?
[04:08] <whiprush> yep
[04:08] <whiprush> everything
[04:08] <wm_eddie> awesome.
[04:09] <whiprush> crap, forgot the freenx source
[04:11] <joem> whiprush, does it have libdcss?
[04:11] <Slackeerb> blah i still cant watching streaming media
[04:11] <whiprush> yep
[04:11] <whiprush> everything
[04:11] <joem> nice
[04:11] <whiprush> except mplayer-mozilla seems to be curiously absent
[04:12] <whiprush> joem: if you install w32codecs and libdvdcss and whatnot, you can watch almost any media in totem
[04:12] <joem> yea
[04:12] <whiprush> Slackeerb: here's what you do for quicktime ...
[04:12] <whiprush> check the source of the page
[04:12] <whiprush> there's an embed tag
[04:12] <joem> if only the smp image package wasn't dying out on me, I would be all set
[04:12] <whiprush> with a url to the .mov file
[04:12] <whiprush> wget that file
[04:13] <whiprush> and then play it.
[04:13] <Slackeerb> thats so hard tow lol
[04:13] <Slackeerb> thow*
[04:13] <subterrific> "but if you use Java, you're already used to slow."
[04:13] <whiprush> yeah sucks sometimes. :-/
[04:13] <subterrific> heh
[04:15] <whiprush> hmmm, I wonder where mozilla-mplayer went
[04:15] <whiprush> Slackeerb: well, someone is working on mozilla-totem, so just hang tight, it'll come soon.
[04:15] <Slackeerb> whiprush: should i just install mplayer?
[04:16] <whiprush> without the plugin it'll just do the same thing
[04:16] <Chriffer> i fetched mplayer-mozilla by hand
[04:16] <Chriffer> couldnt find it anywhere
[04:17] <Chriffer> or mozilla-mplayer
[04:17] <Chriffer> what a silly confusing name for a package
[04:17] <eazel7> hi hi
[04:17] <eazel7> how are you? I'm _back_
[04:18] <Slackeerb> there no sound in totem guys?
[04:18] <eazel7> updating from a clean debootstraped woody is ok? I hope
[04:18] <whiprush> man, this industrial skin for firefox is just fantastic.
[04:18] <schweeb> yea, I'm using it now too whip
[04:18] <subterrific> whiprush: me too, its slick
[04:18] <schweeb> you evil evil gnomebot
[04:18] <schweeb> I liked my old theme a ton, too :-/
[04:18] <schweeb> just doesn't look right in gnome
[04:19] <whiprush> Slackeerb: there should be sound
[04:19] <eazel7> I use epihany because of the look matter
[04:20] <Slackeerb> whiprush: there sint. =(. and when im listen to music with rhythmbox. gaim cant use sounds.
[04:20] <whiprush> heh
[04:20] <whiprush> welcome to sound in linux!
[04:20] <whiprush> :(
[04:20] <eazel7> I wonder when will the gecko controls like lists and those be wrapped to gtk...
[04:20] <subterrific> my biggest epiphany complaint is that it doesn't select the address bar when you make a new tab
[04:20] <whiprush> Slackeerb: pause rhythmbox, wait a second, then launch totem.
[04:20] <eazel7> subterrific: the same as me
[04:21] <subterrific> eazel7: i opened a bug about it and they still haven't fixed it
[04:21] <whiprush> I like epiphany, I only have one problem with it though
[04:21] <whiprush> it's not firefox. :-/
[04:21] <Slackeerb> whiprush: still nothing
[04:21] <eazel7> would you belive that any gnome app delays at least 7 minutes to start?
[04:21] <subterrific> Slackeerb: i'll help you fix that
[04:22] <Slackeerb> whiprush: shoudl I be bale to listen 2 two things at once?
[04:22] <Slackeerb> subterrific: =)
[04:22] <whiprush> Slackeerb: I can't.
[04:22] <whiprush> I tried dmix, made it worse
[04:22] <whiprush> so I just gave up
[04:22] <subterrific> Slackeerb: first, run  gstreamer-properties
[04:22] <subterrific> and change everything from OSS to ALSA
[04:23] <Slackeerb> done
[04:23] <subterrific> then, relaunch everything, if that doesn't work, you'll need to add dmix stuff to your .asoundrc
[04:23] <subterrific> whiprush: dmix should work fine if you change gstreamer to use ALSA
[04:24] <whiprush>  and when I do that I get no sound at all. grrr.
[04:24] <Slackeerb> subterrific: it works! =) yay. thx
[04:24] <whiprush> Lemme try it though.
[04:24] <subterrific> i had 10 programs playing stereo audio with dmix and it was hardly using any cpu
[04:25] <subterrific> whiprush: my guess is that you've got gstreamer set to use OSS. thats the default for some crazy reason
[04:25] <whiprush> I haven't tried this in ubuntu yet
[04:25] <subterrific> oh
[04:25] <whiprush> so lemme try it
[04:25] <Slackeerb> subterrific: can u help em with streaming media in firefox?
[04:25] <whiprush> nope.
[04:26] <whiprush> I have an ac97 chip
[04:26] <subterrific> Slackeerb: mplayer-plugin for mozilla is pretty much the only option
[04:26] <subterrific> whiprush: me too
[04:26] <whiprush> O_O
[04:26] <subterrific> intel8x0
[04:26] <whiprush> me too
[04:26] <Slackeerb> subterrific: where do i get that?
[04:26] <subterrific> you must have something configured wrong
[04:26] <whiprush> I have totem-xine though, do I need to change it to use alsa?
[04:26] <whiprush> I must.
[04:26] <subterrific> Slackeerb: not sure, i don't use it on ubuntu
[04:26] <subterrific> whiprush: i have totem-xine too...hmm
[04:26] <daniels> i have an ac97
[04:27] <whiprush> do you have an .asoundrc?
[04:27] <eazel7> daniels: I understain you
[04:27] <eazel7> daniels: I have the same
[04:27] <subterrific> whiprush: yeah, its at work though and we just moved offices today and the new office doesn't have internet yet, so i can't give you my .asoundrc
[04:28] <whiprush> ok
[04:28] <whiprush> I can wait
[04:28] <whiprush> I've waited long enough. @_@
[04:28] <subterrific> i pretty much used the one from alsa-project.org, but i did have to modify it slightly
[04:28] <whiprush> hmmm
[04:28] <whiprush> So did I.
[04:28] <whiprush> I must have messed it up then
[04:28] <whiprush> Mine was all laggy and skippy, cpu load maxed out, etc. etc.
[04:28] <subterrific> the big thing is the !default section
[04:29] <subterrific> you gotta have that
[04:29] <subterrific> whiprush: what cpu?
[04:29] <whiprush> 3ghz p4.
[04:29] <subterrific> heh, that should be plenty
[04:29] <hornbeck> has anyone tried compiling dbus-cvs on Ubuntu?
[04:29] <whiprush> heh, yeah, by far
[04:31] <subterrific> are there any good gtk edonkey clients?
[04:31] <daniels> whiprush: nope
[04:31] <daniels> whiprush: then again, I don't do dmix, and just live with single-open
[04:31] <subterrific> it seems like they're all emule ports by crazy germans, and they all crash on launch, hehe
[04:31] <whiprush> yargh
[04:32] <whiprush> I know I'm going to give up and just buy that creative card that does everything in hardware.
[04:32] <subterrific> daniels: well if you and whiprush are around tomorrow i'll give you my asoundrc, and it should work fine
[04:33] <whiprush> I typically don't notice, since I'm running rb and muine all the time, and that blocks gaim from making noises, which is a big usability gain for me. :p
[04:33] <Slackeerb> whiprush: once you have that how two done you should send me a link or the file. =) so i can put it on a disc
[04:33] <subterrific> there is also a way to tell ALSA to let multiple apps that are using OSS access the sound card at the same time
[04:34] <whiprush> subterrific: probably best to just post it to the list then
[04:34] <daniels> subterrific: cool
[04:34] <whiprush> surely we can't be the only ac97 dudes around
[04:34] <subterrific> oh yeah, i forgot i subscribed to the list
[04:34] <subterrific> whiprush: well i've already helped like 10 people with ALSA on irc
[04:35] <Slackeerb> whiprush: once you have that how two done you should send me a link or the file. =) so i can put it on a disc. (i spelled your name wronge lol sorry)
[04:35] <whiprush> heh
[04:36] <whiprush> well, if sub just posts to the list we'll all be ok.
[04:36] <Slackeerb> i was talking about the java thing
[04:37] <whiprush> Slackeerb: oh oh, I will
[04:37] <Slackeerb> whiprush: ok thx. =)
[04:38] <Slackeerb> i still cant listen to two things a once but atleast sound works in totem
[04:41] <subterrific> ok, hold on, i think i remember what all i had in asoundrc
[04:43] <subterrific> give this a try: http://subterrific.net/~jason/intel8x0_asoundrc
[04:43] <subterrific> rename it to: .asoundrc and put it in your home directory
[04:43] <subterrific> then relaunch all apps that use ALSA
[04:45] <Slackeerb> should i do that?
[04:45] <subterrific> yeah
[04:45] <Slackeerb> k =)
[04:46] <Slackeerb> done
[04:46] <subterrific> k, so start something playing in totem, then try playing something else in rhythmbox at the same time
[04:47] <subterrific> and try: aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/train.wav at the same time too
[04:47] <Slackeerb> now i get error "ALSA device 'default: doesnt exist"
[04:48] <subterrific> hrm
[04:48] <WW> Hmm... I just noticed that in sections of the task bar at the top of the screen, parts of it appear to have an extra pixels worth of height.
[04:49] <WW> It's like it drew the original task bar with one height, but then it updates it with a height the is one line less.
[04:49] <subterrific> Slackeerb: i see the problem, hold on a sec
[04:50] <Slackeerb> kz =)
[04:50] <whiprush> you know, someday, when someone fixes sound in linux, we'll all look back on this and laugh.
[04:51] <Slackeerb> hopefully that day will be next week wendsday. =)
[04:52] <subterrific> k, get the file again or change this line: pcm "hw:1,0" to pcm "hw:0,0"
[04:52] <subterrific> that should do it
[04:52] <WW> Does anyone else see that?
[04:53] <subterrific> WW: you talking about right by Applications Computer ?
[04:53] <subterrific> there is a bevel
[04:53] <subterrific> but no bevel on the rest of the panel
[04:53] <subterrific> i think its a bug in the theme, cause on my gentoo box the entire panel has a bevel
[04:54] <WW> subterrific: Try this: go to a blank part of the task bar, right-click, but then move the cursor away and click on the desktop.
[04:54] <subterrific> WW: no chang
[04:54] <subterrific> e
[04:54] <subterrific> Slackeerb: does it work now?
[04:55] <WW> On mine, after the little popup menu goes away, the task bar is one pixel thinner. 
[04:55] <subterrific> whiprush: can you give it a try too? http://subterrific.net/~jason/intel8x0_asoundrc
[04:55] <whiprush> yeah sec
[04:56] <Slackeerb> subterrific: it works! =)
[04:56] <subterrific> awesome
[04:57] <whiprush> subterrific: works for me
[04:57] <whiprush> dude
[04:57] <whiprush> you _rule_
[04:57] <Slackeerb> subterrific: if you ever make a how to about this id be very thank full if you e-mailed it to me. whiprush: I would asl be very thankfull if you e-mailed me the java how to once its done. =)
[04:57] <Slackeerb> also*
[04:58] <subterrific> sure, i'll work on it right now. i'd like to work with the ubuntu folks to just make this stuff Just Work
[04:58] <Slackeerb> yes i agree! Just working is the best. =)
[04:58] <schweeb> subterrific: I already mentioned dmix to jdub
[04:59] <schweeb> as he was working on an esound replacement
[04:59] <schweeb> he sounded interested
[04:59] <schweeb> at least a bit
[05:00] <subterrific> schweeb: cool, i've got a kernel patch pending for ubuntu that adds the latest ALSA and a few more drivers. don't think its going to make it into hoary though
[05:00] <schweeb> you an alsa guy, or just know a decent bit about it?
[05:01] <subterrific> i guess i became an ALSA guy last weekend when i spent the entire weekend trying to add a driver to the kernel to support this crappy Dell OEM SB Live i've got ;)
[05:02] <schweeb> heh
[05:05] <toyowheelin> hello, dose anyone know how to specify what sound card to use in this os? I have 2 sound cards and I think it just automaticly chose one but its the wrong one
[05:06] <lifeless> toyowheelin: there were folk talking about that just a minute ago.
[05:06] <lifeless> I'm sure they're not too far away :)
[05:06] <subterrific> toyowheelin: thats a good one
[05:06] <toyowheelin> oh...just goot here
[05:06] <toyowheelin> *got
[05:06] <lifeless> are you scottish :)
[05:06] <toyowheelin> no just cant spell worth a damn
[05:06] <subterrific> toyowheelin: first, run gstreamer-properties and switch everything to use ALSA instead of OSS
[05:07] <subterrific> lifeless: haha
[05:08] <toyowheelin> k done
[05:10] <phlaegel> I had to use a simple asoundrc so that my tv card wouldn't be the default output...
[05:10] <schweeb> hrm, I swear gstreamer-properties used to be in gnome-control-center
[05:10] <Slackeerb> schweeb: it is on mandrake
[05:10] <schweeb> ah, advanced
[05:11] <subterrific> schweeb: yeah i'm pretty sure it should still be there, ubuntu just forgot it ;)
[05:11] <schweeb> no, it's there
[05:11] <Slackeerb> i dont see it?
[05:11] <schweeb> but not in the "computer" menu
[05:11] <subterrific> i mean in the menu
[05:11] <subterrific> right
[05:11] <eazel7> sorry guys, but I've seen in one gnome session that the nice applications / computer ubuntu menu wasn't translated
[05:11] <eazel7> may I help?
[05:11] <schweeb> type "gnome-control-center"
[05:11] <eazel7> how can I translate it?
[05:11] <schweeb> and go to advanced
[05:11] <Slackeerb> ahhh 
[05:11] <Slackeerb> thx =)
[05:12] <schweeb> it's called "multimedia systems selector"
[05:13] <schweeb> there a reason you guys didn't make gstreamer-properties easily accessible from a menu?
[05:13] <toyowheelin> it says that it failed to construct the testpipeline for ALSA
[05:13] <schweeb> is something already using the device?
[05:14] <schweeb> gaim/esound/?
[05:14] <toyowheelin> oh...wups yeah
[05:14] <toyowheelin> but it still isnt making no noise
[05:14] <subterrific> toyowheelin: after you did that gstreamer thing, you need to quit all apps using the sound card
[05:14] <toyowheelin> oh
[05:14] <toyowheelin> ok
[05:15] <subterrific> then go to Applications->Multimedia->Volume Control
[05:15] <subterrific> and unmute channels and turn the volume up
[05:15] <toyowheelin> woah it says I have 4 sound cards in volume control
[05:15] <subterrific> ALSA defaults to being muted and turned off
[05:15] <subterrific> toyowheelin: yeah, 2 for ALSA and 2 for ALSA emulating OSS
[05:16] <toyowheelin> oh
[05:16] <schweeb> subterrific: and thank god for that... when my pc speaker is unmuted, it's loud as hell
[05:16] <Tjoklat> subterrific
[05:16] <subterrific> schweeb: hehe pc speaker
[05:16] <subterrific> Tjoklat: yo
[05:16] <Tjoklat> I am sorry, the options I was talking about is in xscreensaver/advanced
[05:16] <Tjoklat> :)
[05:17] <subterrific> Tjoklat: ok, well we figured out what it is
[05:17] <Tjoklat> what was it sub?
[05:17] <subterrific> Tjoklat: its the smp kernel in combination with a P4 /w HyperThreading
[05:18] <toyowheelin> humm IDK whats up with this thing
[05:18] <Tjoklat> ah, so what did you do to fix it? I just rebuilt my kernel
[05:18] <TongMaster> Tjoklat, did you have the mac with a 9200 card?
[05:18] <subterrific> Tjoklat: at least someone commented on the bug and said he had the same problem and had to turn off hyperthreading and use the 686 or 386 kernel w/ no smpo
[05:19] <subterrific> toyowheelin: ?
[05:19] <toyowheelin> still no sound
[05:19] <Tjoklat> great that it got fixed sub, TM, no just normal pc
[05:19] <Tjoklat> but the 2.6.8 kernel is buggy
[05:19] <subterrific> yeah its a lemon
[05:20] <subterrific> i found another way to lock it up
[05:20] <Tjoklat> the only issue I am having is the mp3 props in nautilus
[05:20] <subterrific> boot with no network cable and then run evolution and try to check email. that brought my machine to a crawl :\
[05:21] <schweeb> you sure that's not an evolution problem?
[05:21] <subterrific> schweeb: evolution shouldn't be able to lock up the machine
[05:21] <schweeb> evolution isn't exactly resource friendly
[05:21] <subterrific> thats a kernel issue
[05:21] <eazel7> resource friendly?
[05:21] <schweeb> what's your definition of "a crawl"
[05:22] <eazel7> you mean low consumption?
[05:22] <subterrific> schweeb: not even being able to switch to a virtual term
[05:22] <whiprush> on my machine evolution isn't the problem
[05:22] <toyowheelin> anyone know why when I installed ubunto it nolonger gives the option to boot into windows?
[05:22] <whiprush> it's evolution-data-server
[05:22] <subterrific> having xfree totally stop drawing
[05:22] <eazel7> my english isn't so good, sorry
[05:22] <whiprush> it must leak or something
[05:22] <schweeb> undoubtedly
[05:22] <whiprush> Mine at work hit like, 600mb
[05:22] <mdz> schweeb: yes, gstreamer-properties came up on the mailing list already
[05:22] <mdz> schweeb: because the dialog is unintuitive and shouldn't be necessary for users
[05:23] <Tjoklat> toy.. when the puter starts up.. you have to hit escape to get a menu
[05:23] <schweeb> mdz: yea... how bout setting it to alsa by default?
[05:23] <toyowheelin> oh ok...
[05:23] <mdz> schweeb: why?
[05:23] <Tjoklat> it is a bit fuzzy
[05:23] <Tjoklat> but I like how it is
[05:23] <toyowheelin> Tjoklat, im used to lilo
[05:23] <Tjoklat> hit escape and you get the menu with windows in it
[05:24] <mdz> currently we standardise on OSS because the userland is more stable that way
[05:24] <schweeb> true
[05:24] <Tjoklat> ah, you'll like grub toy :)
[05:24] <schweeb> i've not had much of any problem with alsa at all
[05:24] <whiprush> I have
[05:24] <schweeb> gstreamer used to suck w/ alsa, but now it appears to have stabilised
[05:24] <schweeb> whiprush: what now?
[05:24] <toyowheelin> Im also used to mandrake but decided to go with ubuntu because mandrake 64 is "borken"
[05:24] <subterrific> mdz: i hear that, but i've told at least 10 people to switch to ALSA and everyone loves being able to do multichannel audio and no problems reported so far
[05:24] <toyowheelin> *"broken"
[05:25] <subterrific> mdz: plus, all it is changing is gstreamer, is gstreamer-alsa really that buggy?
[05:25] <whiprush> not anymore
[05:25] <whiprush> it used to _suck_.
[05:25] <whiprush> like, bad.
[05:25] <mdz> subterrific: multichannel as in >2?
[05:25] <schweeb> heh
[05:25] <schweeb> yes, mdz 
[05:25] <schweeb> with dmix
[05:25] <toyowheelin> lol
[05:26] <Tjoklat> I am able to play any mp3.. it just look crapiola in properties
[05:26] <Tjoklat> which is really disturbing me
[05:26] <whiprush> dunno man, all I remember is that alsa is supposed to be all sweet, and I end up spending more time fixing my alsa stuff than I ever did with oss.
[05:26] <schweeb> another annoying default is the locale
[05:26] <Tjoklat> gives me errors about image can't be displayed
[05:26] <subterrific> mdz: yes, having more than one app access the sound card. gaim + totem, gaim + rhythmbox
[05:26] <whiprush> so if someone fixes that upstream, then I'm happy.
[05:26] <mdz> schweeb: ok, that's something else
[05:26] <mdz> multichannel means audio streams with more than one channel
[05:26] <mdz> subterrific: if your card can do the mixing, it should work with both OSS and ALSA
[05:27] <mdz> mine does
[05:27] <eazel7> I know that what I use to do is stupid but: alsa + oss_emu + esd
[05:27] <schweeb> mdz: most of us seem to be stuck with intel8x0 + ac97
[05:27] <schweeb> another annoying default is the locale
[05:27] <eazel7> that's what I do, because many programs still uses oss
[05:27] <schweeb> I tell the installer en_US
[05:27] <Tjoklat> sub.. when you right click on props.. what does your audio/video tab say?
[05:27] <toyowheelin> brb im gonna reboot maybe the sound will fix itself
[05:27] <schweeb> and the locale is set to POSIX
[05:27] <schweeb> ;_;
[05:28] <subterrific> Tjoklat: what app?
[05:28] <Tjoklat> just in nautilus
[05:28] <Tjoklat> pick a mp3
[05:28] <Tjoklat> right click to see props
[05:28] <Tjoklat> then go to the audio/vid tab
[05:28] <Tjoklat> what does yours say?
[05:29] <mdz> subterrific: see bug 1481 for discussion
[05:29] <subterrific> gives me General with id3 tags, Video is greyed out Audio is Bitrate and Codec
[05:29] <mdz> subterrific: basically we need to use esd, and esd and ALSA don't get along
[05:29] <mdz> we hope to get rid of esd for hoary
[05:29] <Tjoklat> dang
[05:29] <Tjoklat> so it is me
[05:29] <subterrific> mdz: k, looking
[05:29] <whiprush> Dude I hope to get rid of esd for the sake of humanity
[05:29] <Tjoklat> I winder what is a miss
[05:29] <schweeb> lol
[05:29] <Tjoklat> winder: wonder
[05:29] <whiprush> hoary will just be a lucky side effect
[05:29] <mdz> subterrific: if you have more information to add, please do
[05:30] <schweeb> the best quote ever is the Alan Cox one
[05:30] <eazel7> I'd love to see an esd-compatible daemon based on gstreamer
[05:30] <schweeb> about ESD
[05:30] <Tjoklat> what is your default player for mp3 sub?
[05:30] <tseng> schweeb: yep
[05:30] <Tjoklat> mine is set to totem.. perhaps it doesn't like that
[05:30] <eazel7> isn't my idea possible?
[05:30] <schweeb> tseng:heh
[05:30] <schweeb> tseng: anything good going on at oftc, or everyone asleep?
[05:30] <Tjoklat> wb toy
[05:30] <whiprush> hmmm, any chance of spamassassin 3 making it to warty? I'd hate to be stuck with 2.64 for evolution.
[05:31] <toyowheelin> ok that didnt work and durring reboot I tried 'esc' and it dint have windows in there
[05:31] <toyowheelin> :/
[05:31] <schweeb> whiprush: chances - unlikely
[05:31] <Tjoklat> you changed something in grub?
[05:31] <toyowheelin> no
[05:31] <schweeb> whiprush: they're like sarge dude... version freeze... bugfixes only
[05:31] <whiprush> hey man.
[05:31] <WW> Multimedia noob question: Playing CDs, or playing oggs with rhythmbox, gives a certain volume.  When I play a DVD with totem-xine, the volume is much lower.  Is this typical, or can I tweak something to equalize these?
[05:31] <subterrific> Tjoklat: totem too i think
[05:31] <whiprush> I can hope
[05:31] <whiprush> and I don't see schweeb@canonical.com do I?
[05:31] <toyowheelin> default install with the exception that I pointed it to the correct partition
[05:31] <schweeb> :p
[05:31] <subterrific> Tjoklat: yeah totem, i can't even change it from Totem, fun bugs :)
[05:31] <whiprush> that's right.
[05:32] <Tjoklat> waaa that is odd
[05:32] <Tjoklat> maybe I  need to finish updating the box
[05:32] <Tjoklat> see what happens then
[05:35] <subterrific> mdz: esd wasn't running by default on any machine i installed ubuntu on, why do you need it?
[05:35] <mdz> subterrific: to share the sound device, because mixing doesn't work with many sound cards
[05:35] <toyowheelin> ok yeah that royaly screwed up somethin...now it says the ALSA device 'default' is already in use
[05:35] <subterrific> mdz: thats what dmix with ALSA is for, right?
[05:36] <schweeb> mdz: which is why we suggested dmix ;)  it does software mixing
[05:36] <subterrific> it works a lot better
[05:36] <schweeb> I mentioned it to jdub, he seemed to be interested
[05:36] <subterrific> unlimited mixing channels
[05:36] <mdz> the decision was that dmix was not up to par
[05:36] <schweeb> since he was working on that esd compatible thingy
[05:36] <mdz> it's mentioned specifically in the bug comments
[05:37] <mdz> if you have more accurate information, by all means comment on the bug
[05:37] <subterrific> mdz: i see no mention of dmix
[05:37] <schweeb> subterrific: what's the URL to your dmix asoundrc?
[05:37] <mdz> search the page for dmix
[05:37] <subterrific> http://subterrific.net/~jason/intel8x0_asoundrc
[05:38] <subterrific> mdz: oh, find in firefox preview is just borked or i'm not using it right
[05:38] <tseng> schweeb: nm happening
[05:38] <whiprush> mdz: hey is type ahead all sorts of hosed for you?
[05:38] <whiprush> er, I meant subterrific 
[05:38] <schweeb> whoa
[05:38] <whiprush> in 1.0pr
[05:38] <subterrific> mdz: "Perhaps we
[05:38] <schweeb> no shit
[05:38] <subterrific> can work on some ALSA dmix autoconfiguration for Hoary, but it's Hard."
[05:38] <schweeb> 1.0preview went in?
[05:38] <schweeb> fucking nice
[05:38] <whiprush> today
[05:38] <whiprush> tonite
[05:39] <schweeb> I'm a slave to my regular apt-get upgrades though :p
[05:39] <subterrific> whiprush: yeah seems find is totally hosed in firefox PR
[05:39] <whiprush> schweeb: upgrade and test type-ahead-find would you?
[05:39] <subterrific> highlight works
[05:39] <whiprush> ok, that's three people I know of
[05:39] <schweeb> which one is type ahead find?
[05:39] <whiprush> that's it's borked with
[05:39] <natew> find works fine for me..
[05:40] <schweeb> the one where you just start typing and it finds links?
[05:40] <whiprush> right
[05:40] <schweeb> or the vi style one?
[05:40] <natew> yep
[05:40] <whiprush> I don't even get the toolbar thing
[05:40] <whiprush> it's just not working at all for me
[05:40] <schweeb> yea
[05:40] <schweeb> it's b0rked here too
[05:40] <schweeb> vi style as well
[05:40] <schweeb> try regenerating your profile?
[05:40] <whiprush> ugh
[05:40] <schweeb> just like good ol deb?
[05:41] <natew> mine was a fresh install.. <shrug>
[05:41] <whiprush> lemme su or something
[05:41] <schweeb> you know about mv, right :p
[05:41] <whiprush> yeah but you never know
[05:42] <schweeb> I know you're all into find . -exec rm -rf;
[05:42] <schweeb> er
[05:42] <whiprush> word
[05:42] <schweeb> find . -exec rm -rf {}
[05:42] <schweeb> or some shit like that
[05:42] <whiprush> nope, broken there too
[05:42] <schweeb> ;_;
[05:43] <justdave> if I get an error message when installing a package in synaptic, is there a way to copy the error message out of the terminal?  Shift+Control+C doesn't seem to work
[05:44] <whiprush> k, I don't see anything in mozilla's bugzilla
[05:44] <whiprush> nor ubuntu's.
[05:44] <schweeb> bugreport for whiprush then
[05:45] <whiprush> ugh, lemme snag an upstream tarball first
[05:45] <schweeb> make mdz work for his $$$ if it's a dupe :p
[05:45] <whiprush> wanna make sure
[05:46] <justdave> ah, got it...  it's one of those "whatever's selected is already on the clipboard" apps
[05:47] <WW> Just tried find in 1.0PR.  It's not working, but the highlighting is working.
[05:47] <whiprush> works with the mozilla.org tarball
[05:47] <sub_pop> when i try to load the Trash Applet, i get this message: Unable to acquire monitor of the Trash directory
[05:48] <justdave> I just did dist-upgrade...
[05:48] <sub_pop> what does that mean?
[05:48] <justdave> I can't even start firefox now.  get an XUL error
[05:48] <phlaegel> sweet, howl's in universe now
[05:48] <whiprush> phlaegel: jdub mentioned that a few hours ago, cool eh?
[05:48] <phlaegel> yep
[05:48] <whiprush> anyone else have anything to add to this firefox find-as-you-type deal before I file the bug?
[05:49] <schweeb> now if only someone could tell me something useful to do with DNS-SD...
[05:49] <schweeb> :p
[05:51] <whiprush> hey
[05:51] <phlaegel> well, the more available it is, the more likely it'll get used. I'm hoping gnome-user-share matures semi-quickly.
[05:51] <whiprush> find as you type worked with .9.3 right?
[05:51] <whiprush> it did for me anyway
[05:51] <sub_pop> ahh it was because fam died
[05:52] <toyowheelin> is there updates like everyday?
[05:52] <phlaegel> fabbione: ping
[05:53] <whiprush> schweeb: your find-as-you-type is totally broken right?
[05:53] <whiprush> toyowheelin: just about
[05:53] <schweeb> 100%
[05:53] <schweeb> start typing, nothin happens
[05:54] <whiprush> is everyone elses totally broken?
[05:54] <schweeb> press "/"
[05:54] <schweeb> start typing, nothin happens
[05:54] <whiprush> no bar pops up at the bottom either?
[05:54] <schweeb> right
[05:54] <toyowheelin> whiprush, how do I get these updates?
[05:54] <whiprush> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:54] <schweeb> the RSS aggregator looks to work though
[05:55] <whiprush> bug filed.
[05:56] <toyowheelin> lol looks like this is slowly filling my computer with 32bit progs :/
[05:56] <schweeb> umm
[05:56] <schweeb> whiprush
[05:57] <schweeb> whiprush: 
[05:57] <toyowheelin> lol
[05:57] <whiprush> whut?
[05:57] <schweeb> did you look in the advanced prefs?
[05:57] <schweeb> how "use find as you type" is unchecked?
[05:57] <brad[] > There any way to make totem play with the xine backend? gstreamer isn't 100% useful for me
[05:57] <whiprush> awesome.
[05:57] <whiprush> ...
[05:58] <whiprush> wait
[05:58] <whiprush> mine still doesn't work
[05:58] <phlaegel> brad[] : install totem-xine
[05:58] <schweeb> restart
[05:58] <schweeb> it's still broke
[05:58] <schweeb> but partially functional
[05:58] <whiprush> bah
[05:58] <whiprush> k
[05:58] <schweeb> backspace doesn't work
[05:59] <brad[] > phlaegel: Doesn't seem listed?
[05:59] <whiprush> neither do ctrl-g
[05:59] <phlaegel> brad[] : have you enabled universe in /etc/apt/source.list ?
[05:59] <whiprush> and / for me
[05:59] <subterrific> mdz: k, i commented https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1481
[05:59] <toyowheelin> for these new updates to be applied do I have to reboot
[06:00] <brad[] > phlaegel: sec
[06:00] <toyowheelin> whiprush...?
[06:00] <brad[] > phlaegel: Out of curiosity what is universe?
[06:01] <brad[] > phlaegel: packages that don't meet QA or..?
[06:01] <toyowheelin> ok nevermind ill just do it and see
[06:01] <phlaegel> it's debian packages rebuilt for ubuntu. unsupported.
[06:01] <whiprush> toyowheelin:not really
[06:01] <whiprush> unless it's a kernel upgrade
[06:01] <brad[] > phlaegel: ah ok
[06:01] <whiprush> if it's a gnome update you should probably log out and back in 
[06:02] <whiprush> usually it's no big deal though
[06:02] <whiprush> schweeb: that's weird, it shouldn't change my option like that.
[06:03] <punkass_> schweeb: was i talkin to you earlier about harddrive issues?
[06:04] <schweeb> yea
[06:04] <punkass_> k, well i plugged another drive in and it booted up fine...so must be something up with the that particular drive
[06:04] <justdave> firefox keeps track of whether you've changed a preference or not
[06:05] <whiprush> yeah
[06:05] <whiprush> but I tried an upstream tarball
[06:05] <justdave> if you've never touched that preference before and they change the default, it'll change.
[06:05] <whiprush> and it was the opposite preference
[06:05] <justdave> once you've manually touched it, it'll stick with what you put in it.
[06:05] <schweeb> dmix is workin perfectly here
[06:05] <whiprush> hmmm
[06:06] <punkass_> tho i am curious, i am using a rsync script to back up my main drive, so i have recreated all the partitions on the backup drive...am i able to make the second one bootable somehow?
[06:06] <punkass_> so when it fails and can just swap IDE cables
[06:07] <schweeb> you essentially want to do mirroring?
[06:07] <punkass_> yeah
[06:07] <schweeb> can't software RAID do mirroring? and most non OEM boards do RAID now...
[06:08] <punkass_> well i just want to do a nightly backup, not a realtime mirror
[06:08] <schweeb> easier and more reliable to do the realtime, IMO
[06:08] <schweeb> all it has to do is copy the same bits to both channels
[06:09] <punkass_> yeah...but its more common for someone to delete a file and want it back then a HD to fail
[06:10] <punkass_> and with using rsync its not a heavy load on the drive..
[06:10] <hornbeck> is jono in here?
[06:11] <punkass_> but as i was making the partitions i wondered if i could make the slave bootable as well
[06:16] <probs> what's the deal with sound on ubuntu? I had to change my gstreamer setting to get mp3 playback, but I still have no sound anywhere else.
[06:16] <probs> anybody else had that problem?
[06:17] <subterrific> probs: what did you change gsteamer to use?
[06:17] <probs> changed 'default sink' to 'esd'
[06:17] <wm_eddie> how does apt go about deciding wich package to download?
[06:17] <probs> no desktop sounds, no flash player sounds...
[06:17] <subterrific> probs: did you try ALSA?
[06:17] <wm_eddie> like if I have mplayer in universe and the mplayer in http://www.arslinux.com/~jorge/sources.list?
[06:17] <schweeb> you have to tell apps to use esd if you turn on esd
[06:17] <subterrific> esd really blows :\
[06:18] <schweeb> indeed
[06:18] <schweeb> I go to all lengths to avoid it
[06:18] <probs> I've tried testing others but they all crash
[06:18] <probs> why is esd the default?
[06:18] <schweeb> all lengths being not using software mixing
[06:18] <WW> Did you all get find in Firefox 1.0PR to work?  Doesn't work for me, even after changing Preferences->Advanced->Accessibility options.
[06:18] <subterrific> probs: i have no clue. lets see if we can't get ALSA working for you
[06:19] <probs> subterrific: that sounds awesome
[06:19] <schweeb> subterrific: yea, that dmix script works perfect for me
[06:19] <WW> Also, if I use highlighting, and type something, and then backspace to erase what I typed, any highlighted that occurred inside a form is not unhighlighted.
[06:19] <subterrific> quit all apps that use sound and go into gstreamer-properties and switch everything to use ALSA
[06:19] <WW> Bug 1628 says NOTABUG.
[06:19] <schweeb> if someone could write a simple app to auto generate a dmix asoundrc, it'd be sweet
[06:20] <subterrific> and then killall esd :)
[06:20] <probs> subterrific: okay..killing esd...
[06:20] <subterrific> schweeb: i'm going to see if i can do that
[06:20] <schweeb> I would, but don't have enough time, nor do I care to learn about dmix now
[06:21] <schweeb> plus, my app wouldn't exacly be HIG compliant :p
[06:21] <probs> subterrific: okay...dead:)
[06:21] <subterrific> probs: now start some audio playing in rhythmbox or something and then go into Applications->Multimedia->Volume Control and unmute your output channels and turn up the volume until you hear something :)
[06:21] <schweeb> whiprush: ...
[06:21] <schweeb> whiprush: why did you mark NOTABUG?
[06:21] <subterrific> probs: also do you know what sound card and driver you're using?
[06:22] <schweeb> whiprush: it's a bug in ubuntu's package, doesn't matter if it works in the tarball
[06:22] <probs> subterrific: yeah..nforce2 mobo w/ ac97...
[06:22] <probs> subterrific: rhythmbox crash:)
[06:24] <subterrific> probs: thats no good. try totem?
[06:25] <probs> subterrific: hey...totem works!
[06:25] <subterrific> rhythmbox has some other stability problems
[06:25] <subterrific> ok, now. use paste.plone.org and show me the output from lsmod
[06:26] <probs> subterrific: uh...sorry...what's paste.plone.org?
[06:27] <subterrific> http://
[06:27] <probs> subterrific: wow..that's neat:)
[06:27] <subterrific> its a public paste board
[06:27] <subterrific> yeah
[06:28] <probs> okay..it's there (I guess)
[06:30] <subterrific> probs: ok, now download this: http://subterrific.net/~jason/intel8x0_asoundrc and save it to .asoundrc in your home directory
[06:30] <subterrific> now you've got multichannel mixing, so multiple apps (like gaim + totem + rhythmbox) can all play audio at the same time
[06:31] <whiprush> schweeb: I looked it up on mozilla's bugzilla
[06:31] <subterrific> i think you might need to restart totem, but play audio in totem and then type this on the command line: aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/train.wav
[06:31] <whiprush> they changed the behaviour upstream
[06:31] <whiprush> so, it's not an ubuntu bug
[06:32] <schweeb> it is
[06:32] <schweeb> it needs to be fixed in the package
[06:32] <whiprush> dude try it on the upstream tarball
[06:32] <schweeb> i.e. repackaged
[06:32] <whiprush> they shut it off
[06:33] <whiprush> they even blogged about it
[06:33] <whiprush> I'm 90% sure it's notabug.
[06:33] <schweeb> give me the link, so I can more clearly understand your insanity
[06:33] <probs> subterrific: beautiful...I think it worked:)
[06:33] <subterrific> probs: rock
[06:33] <whiprush> schweeb: rol, in all irony, I made a new profile inbetween.
[06:33] <subterrific> probs: if you wanna stick around maybe i can help you fix rhythmbox
[06:34] <probs> subterrific: now if I could figure out why rhythmbox crashes?
[06:34] <whiprush> but if you think you're right, just reopen it then.
[06:34] <probs> subterrific: yeah! sure! if you're up to it:)
[06:34] <schweeb> link to mozilla shit, whiprush 
[06:34] <schweeb> are you saying the 1.0PR in ubuntu is behaving as it should?
[06:35] <whiprush> schweeb: new profile, no history
[06:35] <whiprush> yeah, I'm pretty sure
[06:35] <schweeb> ...
[06:35] <schweeb> why did you not use mv, whiprush 
[06:35] <schweeb> you suck.
[06:35] <schweeb> `whiprushed
[06:35] <whiprush> I'll look into it more tomorrow
[06:35] <subterrific> probs: do you have gdb installed?
[06:36] <whiprush> ken's find-as-you-type in ubuntu is only half broken
[06:36] <whiprush> after upgrading to 1.0pr
[06:36] <schweeb> subterrific: have him start it from the command line first, and look at the output it spews to the console
[06:36] <schweeb> subterrific: it's generally a more useful start
[06:36] <probs> subterrific: yup
[06:36] <WW> whiprush: Is the highlighting in forms a separate problem?
[06:36] <whiprush> I don't even get to that part.
[06:40] <subterrific> probs: do that, run it from a terminal
[06:40] <subterrific> if there is any meaningful output before it crashes, use paste.plone.org :)
[06:42] <Treenaks> Hey! in-page find broke in firefox
[06:42] <fabbione> morning guys
[06:42] <wm_eddie> um no
[06:42] <Treenaks> hi fabbione
[06:42] <wm_eddie> Treenaks: You have to turn it on.
[06:42] <Treenaks> wm_eddie: I did..
[06:43] <wm_eddie> and it still doesn't work?
[06:43] <Treenaks> wm_eddie: it doesn't work if I do Ctrl+F either
[06:43] <whiprush> ugh
[06:43] <whiprush> I turned mine on 
[06:43] <wm_eddie> hmm interesting...
[06:43] <whiprush> and it worked
[06:43] <wm_eddie> mine too
[06:43] <wm_eddie> try pressing / and then trying
[06:43] <whiprush> yeah well, something is up
[06:43] <Treenaks> I even removed my .mozilla directory.. no change
[06:43] <whiprush> because we've been finding odd behaviour with it
[06:43] <Treenaks> wm_eddie: no..
[06:43] <whiprush> my coworker has it working about 50% of the time.
[06:43] <whiprush> it's weird.
[06:44] <Treenaks> hey
[06:44] <Treenaks> if I restart after setting the option in the 'Preferences' screen, it seems to work
[06:44] <whiprush> Treenaks: yeah me too
[06:45] <Treenaks> ctrl+f is still broken
[06:45] <whiprush> try ctrl-g
[06:45] <whiprush> for "next link"
[06:45] <whiprush> broken for you too?
[06:45] <Treenaks> I know
[06:45] <Treenaks> ctrl+g is broken, yes
[06:45] <Treenaks> highlight works though (in the "ctrl+f bar")
[06:46] <whiprush> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1628
[06:46] <whiprush> can you reopen that then?
[06:46] <probs> subterrific: gdb doesn't give anything more useful than this:
[06:46] <probs> rhythmbox: pcm.c:2094: snd_pcm_wait: Assertion `err == 1' failed.
[06:47] <probs> subterrific: I can hear the first second of the song before it crashes
[06:47] <Treenaks> whiprush: ij
[06:47] <Treenaks> ok
[06:48] <subterrific> probs: i had that happen to me too. it was because i tried to play a wma file or something
[06:48] <probs> subterrific: hmm...I think these are all mp3s..but let me make sure
[06:49] <whiprush> Treenaks: ugh, I thought I had figured it out, but just reopen it and add your info, specifically the restarting bit.
[06:49] <whiprush> someone smart will figure it out.
[06:49] <Treenaks> whiprush: it works on my SuSE install at work (ugh..)
[06:49] <probs> subterrific: it's kind of strange...when I run gstreamer-properties, the 'tests' both crash when I'm using alsa as well.
[06:50] <schweeb> are you sure alsa works, probs ?
[06:50] <schweeb> er s/alsa/sound/
[06:51] <subterrific> probs: what kernel are you using?
[06:51] <probs> schweeb: no..not sure..but I thought so...
[06:51] <subterrific> and is this a fresh ubuntu install?
[06:51] <probs> subterrific: default ubuntu 2.6.8.1-2-386
[06:52] <subterrific> probs: i've got a kernel that adds the latest ALSA stuff, if you want to try it
[06:52] <schweeb> are you running on a dell laptop perchance?
[06:52] <probs> schweeb: nope...homemade desktop:)
[06:53] <subterrific> probs: i'd also suggest upgrading everything via apt/synaptic first too
[06:53] <probs> subterrific: sure..is it one you built?
[06:53] <subterrific> there have been quiet a few updates
[06:53] <probs> subterrific: yeah, I just updated everything a few hours ago
[06:53] <WW> whiprush: If you're not completely sick of this yet... try this: Go to the bug 1628 page, and scroll so that the Summary field in visible.  Then ctrl-F and type Find.  The text inside the form will be highlighted.  Now backspace to delete the Find that you typed.  The highlight up in the form remains.
[06:53] <Tjoklat> <-- still updating
[06:53] <WW> s/in v/is v/
[06:54] <subterrific> probs: yeah, its the stock ubuntu kernel with the latest ALSA patch from alsa-project.org
[06:55] <crimsun> "latest" being 1.0.6a or 1.0.7rc1 or newer/
[06:55] <probs> subterrific: would it be easier for me to just patch it?
[06:55] <crimsun> i've been using 1.0.7rc1 with no probs
[06:55] <subterrific> probs: maybe try restarting too, 2.6.8 kernel seems kind of iffy, and who knows what esd does ;)
[06:56] <hornbeck> does anyone else get errors on apt-get update?
[06:56] <crimsun> what sort of errors?
[06:56] <crimsun> gzip ones from the sources?
[06:56] <hornbeck> yeah
[06:56] <crimsun> just try again in 5 mins.
[06:56] <hornbeck> I get it all the time though
[06:56] <crimsun> you caught it when it was recreating them, more than likely.
[06:56] <hornbeck> ahh
[06:57] <crimsun> they're redone every 30 mins (from earlier)
[06:57] <hornbeck> I guess it is right on the dot for when I update
[06:58] <probs> subterrific: okay...restarting;) I'll try the alsa patch if nothing changes. 
[07:02] <whiprush> WW: heh. that works for me, believe it or not
[07:03] <WW> Hmmm...
[07:04] <toyowheelin> well I figured out my audio issue
[07:04] <toyowheelin> or atleast fixed it in xmms
[07:05] <subterrific> toyowheelin: what'd you do?
[07:06] <toyowheelin> the system wants to use alsa "default" in xmms I specified hw:1,0 in the alsa configure thingy
[07:06] <toyowheelin> xmms is the only working sound ATM
[07:07] <subterrific> toyowheelin: paste your asoundrc http://paste.plone.org/ for me to see
[07:07] <toyowheelin> my what?
[07:07] <subterrific> oh, you're not using an asoundrc file?
[07:07] <toyowheelin> I dont know what one is
[07:08] <toyowheelin> or where to find it
[07:08] <subterrific> ahh, you can specify alsa defaults in your home/.asoundrc
[07:08] <crimsun> or /etc/asound.conf
[07:08] <toyowheelin> oh...so which one you wanna see?
[07:08] <toyowheelin> /etc/ or /home/
[07:09] <subterrific> well if you haven't made one, neither will be there
[07:09] <crimsun> doesn't matter. The one in ~ overrides.
[07:09] <toyowheelin> oh
[07:09] <toyowheelin> ok
[07:09] <toyowheelin> yeah nether one exists
[07:11] <subterrific> toyowheelin: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=.asoundrc
[07:11] <subterrific> thats a good read
[07:12] <subterrific> it even tells you how to use two sound cards as if they were one
[07:12] <subterrific> which might interest you
[07:12] <toyowheelin> cool...I might need to make one...stuff might actually work than
[07:13] <subterrific> i think it definitely will
[07:13] <probs> subterrific: okay, after reboot I am back to the error from a few days ago where it says 'alsa device default is used by another program'
[07:13] <toyowheelin> well the only reason I have 2 sound cards is so I can play flightsim in winxp with my gameport joystick
[07:13] <subterrific> probs: what is saying that?
[07:13] <toyowheelin> the pci soundcard is just there for the gameport
[07:13] <probs> subterrific: rhythmbox
[07:14] <subterrific> probs: Desktop Preferences->Sound do you have Enable sound server startup  checked?
[07:14] <subterrific> if so, uncheck that. that starts esd...bad bad bad
[07:15] <probs> subterrific: ah, yes that seems to have been the problem, so now rhythmbox crashes again:)
[07:16] <subterrific> probs: use paste.plone to show me the output from lsof | grep snd
[07:17] <probs> subterrific: okay it's there
[07:18] <probs> subterrific: you know, my card shows up in /proc/asound/cards too
[07:18] <subterrific> hmm, ok. does the test stuff crash in gstreamer-properties?
[07:18] <probs> subterrific: yep, every time
[07:19] <probs> subterrific: for everything except esd:)
[07:19] <schweeb> ps aux | grep esd
[07:19] <schweeb> or maybe esound
[07:19] <subterrific> well i hate to ask you to do this again, but now that esd is disabled and won't start, try restarting again
[07:20] <subterrific> probs: i seriously think esd is your problem
[07:20] <schweeb> esd is shyte
[07:20] <toyowheelin> hum you know there should be a tool for doing this so you dont gotta edit the .asoundrc file
[07:20] <toyowheelin> :/
[07:20] <subterrific> i've walked like 10 people through this with your exact same card/driver setup and no one has had problems
[07:20] <probs> schweeb: yeah there is: /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps
[07:20] <subterrific> toyowheelin: working on it ;)
[07:20] <schweeb> restart gnome then
[07:20] <subterrific> probs: killall -9 esd
[07:20] <subterrific> hskjadhjkdhasda
[07:20] <subterrific> hehe
[07:21] <subterrific> thing is like a plague
[07:21] <probs> subterrific: okay...thanks:) rebooting:)
[07:21] <schweeb> no need to reboot
[07:21] <schweeb> only logoff/login
[07:21] <schweeb> or killall esd
[07:21] <probs> killed all esd, but still no go:(
[07:22] <toyowheelin> subterrific, I kinda feel bad making demands on the development team because I have so little to offer to projects but this is one thing that should definately have a gui tool :)
[07:22] <subterrific> probs: restart with gstreamer set to ALSA and sound server startup disabled
[07:23] <subterrific> i really think esd is somehow screwing ALSA
[07:23] <probs> subterrific: okay:)
[07:23] <schweeb> toyowheelin: helping make it a good, simple desktop by filing bugreports/feature requests for the devs
[07:23] <schweeb> is good
[07:23] <schweeb> that's your contribution
[07:24] <toyowheelin> yeah but it feels like im just being a leach
[07:24] <toyowheelin> :)
[07:24] <subterrific> toyowheelin: it should. sound is something that needs to Just Work, and ALSA is getting really close to making it happen, but its so new still
[07:24] <subterrific> ALSA hasn't really been an option until very recently
[07:24] <toyowheelin> ya
[07:25] <schweeb> subterrific: problem is lots of people just give up and go back to OSS tather than trying to make it work properly
[07:25] <schweeb> *rather
[07:25] <subterrific> schweeb: yup, and people like probs end up trying esd and it breaks everything
[07:26] <schweeb> ugh
[07:26] <toyowheelin> is alsa true full duplex sound?
[07:26] <schweeb> I'd honestly rather live with no mixing than esd
[07:26] <schweeb> and have so far
[07:26] <subterrific> probs: ps aux | grep esd ;-)
[07:26] <subterrific> hehe
[07:27] <subterrific> no esd right?
[07:27] <probs> subterrific: :D
[07:27] <probs> nope, but guess what? rhythbox still hates me:)
[07:28] <subterrific> probs: ok, well at least now we know it really is an ALSA problem and you can try the new kernel if you'd like
[07:28] <subterrific> probs: and does the gstreamer-properties test sound still crash?
[07:28] <subterrific> i guess it could also be a problem with gstreamer-alsa...
[07:28] <probs> subterrific: yup, just like rhythmbox
[07:29] <Tjoklat> is installing xmms a bad idea?
[07:29] <subterrific> Tjoklat: i think so :\
[07:29] <toyowheelin> one thing that I love about this project and dint like so much with mandrake is that this project is staying on top of the latest versions of programs and mandrake was like way behind
[07:29] <subterrific> Tjoklat: its really personal preference though
[07:29] <subterrific> toyowheelin: me too
[07:29] <schweeb> I like beep-media-player
[07:30] <probs> subterrific: you know...I just realized, I think the reason totme was working is because I uninstalled the gstreamer version and installed the xine version a while back
[07:30] <Tjoklat> I don't like xmms
[07:30] <subterrific> probs: maybe, i think xine might be using ALSA though
[07:30] <toyowheelin> once ubuntu gets KDE though I will be extreamly happy
[07:30] <Tjoklat> but to fire up a whole juke like rhytm..
[07:30] <subterrific> probs: see if aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/train.wav works
[07:30] <Tjoklat> I was hoping for beep
[07:30] <schweeb> xine can use alsa, definitely
[07:30] <Tjoklat> I am glad there isn't kde
[07:30] <Tjoklat> sorry toy
[07:30] <schweeb> Tjoklat: beep is in universe
[07:30] <probs> subterrific: yeah, that's what I was thinking...maybe the problem is just with gstreamer and not alsa?
[07:31] <probs> subterrific: yep it plays perfectly
[07:31] <toyowheelin> I have just "grown up" on KDE and prefer it over gnome...I feel lost in gnome
[07:31] <Tjoklat> schweeb thanks... a bit worried about using  universe
[07:31] <subterrific> probs: hrm, thats pointing to gstreamer then
[07:31] <Tjoklat> isn't that the pool that breaks things?
[07:31] <schweeb> well
[07:31] <schweeb> there aren't any package name collisions afaik
[07:32] <schweeb> so you have to manually get stuff from universe
[07:32] <schweeb> i.e. if you add universe, then upgrade, nothing from main should be upgraded, ever
[07:32] <schweeb> so, only packages from universe, and packages from main that use what you install from universe are affected
[07:33] <subterrific> probs: try running gst-register-0.8
[07:33] <subterrific> and then running rhythmbox
[07:33] <toyowheelin> anyhoo im off to bed gnight
[07:33] <probs> subterrific: arrgh...nope
[07:34] <ish> For a laptop sitting idle, is it normal for the fan to kick into high gear every so often?
[07:34] <subterrific> probs: and make sure that nasty esd isn't running again ;)
[07:34] <Tjoklat> I think I am going to stay away from universe for now
[07:34] <probs> subterrific: no esd
[07:35] <schweeb> ish: yes
[07:35] <probs> subterrific: flash has sound now though:)
[07:35] <subterrific> probs: i guess its a gstreamer-alsa issue then if aplay works :\
[07:35] <schweeb> dunno about P-M's but P4 and P4M's are hot as hell
[07:36] <schweeb> subterrific: does anyone actually have gstreamer-alsa working?
[07:36] <subterrific> probs: i wonder if totem-xine uses alsa or oss
[07:36] <ish> I've got a PIIIM and I'm surprised how hot it can get just sitting here on IRC.
[07:36] <subterrific> schweeb: i do, it works great
[07:37] <subterrific> schweeb: run gstreamer-properties and switch everything to ALSA. i've been telling everyone to try that and so far prob is the first person who has any problems
[07:37] <schweeb> well, yea, did that long ago
[07:37] <probs> subterrific: haha...maybe it's because I don't have gstreamer-alsa installed?
[07:37] <schweeb> been using ALSA since before 2.6 was -test
[07:37] <schweeb> heh
[07:38] <schweeb> subterrific: by gstreamer-alsa, I actually meant totem-gstreamer
[07:38] <schweeb> @_@
[07:39] <BluMax> .
[07:39] <probs> hmmmmm...guess not unless I just need to restart now?
[07:40] <subterrific> probs: really?
[07:40] <probs> subterrific: yeah, it wasn't installed before
[07:40] <subterrific> gstreamer0.8-alsa is what you want
[07:41] <subterrific> make sure you didn't just install an old version
[07:41] <probs> subterrific: oh ah hm, I think I did:)
[07:41] <subterrific> ;)
[07:41] <subterrific> i almost made the same mistake
[07:41] <schweeb> yea, dangerous adding that from universe ;)
[07:42] <probs> heh:)
[07:42] <subterrific> its silly they are named different
[07:42] <probs> subterrific: so did you end up installing that patch because of a similar problem?
[07:43] <subterrific> probs: i ended up doing the patch because there was no driver for my sound card in the kernel, but there was one recently added to ALSA
[07:43] <subterrific> i don't think the patch will help you, since it is gstreamer-alsa only that is causing problems
[07:43] <probs> subterrific: oh yeah
[07:44] <subterrific> probs: if you really can't live without rhythmbox, maybe you could try setting gstreamer to use OSS, but stay away from esd ;)
[07:45] <probs> subterrific: I'll try that:)
[07:45] <subterrific> otherwise you might have to stay away from gstreamer apps till they fix their shit :\
[07:46] <subterrific> i've had a ton of issues with gstreamer and rhythmbox, they aren't the most stable combo
[07:46] <probs> subterrific: yeah I've had similar problems with other distros as well...
[07:47] <probs> subterrific: but I think I can live without gstreamer...probably even rhythmbox as well
[07:47] <subterrific> i think its mostly gstreamer and not rhythmbox too because i used to think totem sucked, but since i tried totem-xine i've had no problems
[07:47] <schweeb> gstreamer's video plugins suck
[07:47] <schweeb> the audio plugins are pretty good
[07:48] <schweeb> gstreamer's alsa used to be pretty bad
[07:48] <schweeb> much better now
[07:48] <ish> Is there a command to make speedstep kick in (scale the cpu speed down)?
[07:48] <subterrific> yeah, gstreamer is getting a lot better. i feel like any release now it is going to start rocking
[07:49] <LHX> Ubuntu is quite nice I must say... Just popper her on an open partition...
[07:50] <LHX> one question though... is there a forum for Ubuntu users?
[07:50] <daniels> not yet, but I do believe they're getting set up
[07:51] <_RaVen> I have to agree :)...I have not liked many linux distro's after trying out FreeBSD....but this one may get me back, Debian++
[07:51] <LHX> well that's cool... I'd still say my main distro is Arch... but since Arch's gnome support is sort of limited... I'm giving thought to switching to Ubuntu
[07:52] <probs> subterrific: anyway, thanks a ton for your help, I really appreciate it
[07:53] <subterrific> probs: no problem, glad i could help
[07:58] <subterrific> probs: when you were using esd, what was was working?
[07:58] <probs> subterrific: you mean rhythmbox?
[07:58] <subterrific> i mean what apps if any worked
[07:59] <probs> subterrific: yeah, rhythmbox worked, but I think it's the only gstreamer app I was using
[07:59] <probs> subterrific: the flash player in my browser was mute though
[08:00] <probs> totem-xine worked, but that's to be expected
[08:00] <LHX> Question... Is it easier to compile mplayer myself or should I be looking for a new repository... (haven't used a deb based distro in over a year)
[08:01] <schweeb> easier to find a repos
[08:01] <schweeb> use debian marillat
[08:01] <schweeb> something like ftp.nerim.net or something
[08:01] <schweeb> goggle is key
[08:01] <probs> subterrific: I could also play the sample sound events in 'sound preferences'
[08:01] <subterrific> probs: k
[08:02] <LHX> Thanks.  I'll go check that out in a minute...
[08:02] <probs> subterrific: tuxracer didn't have sound under esd, but it does now:)
[08:03] <LHX> THe URL is ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[08:03] <LHX> thanks
[08:07] <subterrific> probs: are you going to stick around irc?
[08:07] <probs> subterrific: probably for another hour or so;)
[08:07] <subterrific> probs: i mean in coming days. i might need your help if i try to fix that gstreamer-alsa crash
[08:08] <subterrific> maybe if i get your email? will you msg it to me?
[08:08] <probs> subterrific: oh:)....um yeah but probably only in the evenings (like now)
[08:10] <subterrific> i'd be working on it in the evenings too
[08:10] <subterrific> got a real job during the day ;)
[08:11] <probs> subterrific: great, I'd love to help:)
[08:32] <ish> Hmm.. Its kinda weird to start snort by default.. before any configuration.
[08:43] <jdub> yikes
[08:43] <jdub> touchpad
[08:44] <ish> I hate them.. and my nub is broken.
[08:45] <theantix_> gah, I just compiled netapplet, only to find that it uses the g-s-t network configurator so I *still* can't get gui wireless switching
[08:45] <crimsun> mm nice to have ubuntu-artwork on my sid system :)
[09:02] <punkass_> theantix_: what is netapplet? i am looking for something gui for wireless
[09:07] <theantix_> punkass_, netapplet is what the redhat/fedora people are working on to switch between wireless networks... I built the debian packages, which work fine but you can't set essid or keys in g-s-t so it's not all that useful (as far as I can tell)
[09:08] <punkass_> ah ok...i am running ndiswrapper on my laptop and trying to find a nice gui interface to set keys etc
[09:09] <theantix_> ditto :-)
[09:09] <punkass_> have u checked out Wifi Radar
[09:10] <punkass_> http://www.bitbuilder.com/wifi_radar/
[09:10] <theantix_> nope
[09:11] <punkass_> i am going to try and set it up tomorrow...so far the best i could find
[09:11] <Treenaks> I think the network configuration program should be able to set WEP keys.. I had to edit my /etc/network/interfaces by hand..
[09:12] <theantix_> Treenaks, I know they are working on it -- it's in the wiki for the next release -- I just need something in the meantime, and what punkass_ linked to might be useful
[09:12] <punkass_> yeah it totally should
[09:12] <eazel7> hi guys
[09:12] <Treenaks> theantix_: ah ok
[09:12] <eazel7> I'm here again
[09:13] <punkass_> yeah the built in net config gui should do what this wifi radar does
[09:13] <eazel7> punkass_, shows you the strengh of the signal
[09:13] <punkass_> but theres not alot of docs on it...so hopefully its not to bad to set up
[09:13] <punkass_> what does?
[09:14] <Tomcat_> Hooray for unstable... I got Firefox 0.9.3 :)
[09:14] <eazel7> are you talking about the gnome wifi applet?
[09:14] <Tomcat_> Eh... make that testing.
[09:14] <punkass_> oh that..well it would but i am using ndiswrapper for wifi so it is always at 100% 
[09:15] <eazel7> ok... I need to cross the fingers, I'd break or fix the system in the next stage
[09:15] <theantix_> not all ndiswrapper drivers do that -- my fiancee's shows the real signal strength
[09:15] <matt2> Haha I doubt anyone knows, but is there a way to get pokerstars going with wine? There totally is since I got it working in gentoo for a bit, until it decided to break and not work anymore for some reason. Anyways, thought I'd give it a go in ubuntu, same low memory error.. =(
[09:16] <eazel7> have you looked at winehq appsdb?
[09:17] <punkass_> theantix_: really? i just used the latest version from sourceforge
[09:18] <punkass_> theantix_: does it depend on the inf file?
[09:18] <theantix_> punkass_, it might depend on the windows driver... not sure, a dell 1430 card worked fine
[09:18] <punkass_> hmm this is on a dell d600 with build in wifi
[09:18] <punkass_> its broadcom
[09:22] <punkass_> whoa there is a pile of XP drivers for the d600
[09:23] <joem> anybody have trouble with ide devices not being detected?
[09:31] <jdub> daniels: easy config way to turn off the touchpad?
[09:31] <daniels> jdub: on powerbooks? no
[09:31] <daniels> jdub: they just appear as a PS/2 mouse from the hardware
[09:31] <jdub> no, X300s :-)
[09:31] <daniels> so you can't just disable it a la synaptics
[09:31] <daniels> oh
[09:31] <jdub> powerbook is easy -> touchpad notap
[09:32] <jdub> or whatever it was
[09:32] <daniels> there's a synclient option
[09:32] <daniels> do synclient -l, and look for it, if you just want it temporarily
[09:32] <daniels> it's something obvious, like DisableTouchpad
[09:33] <jdub> $ synclient -l
[09:33] <jdub> Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?
[09:33] <daniels> unlike CircularScrollingRadiusFromCornerSeven or whatever
[09:33] <daniels> ARSE
[09:33] <daniels> ok, edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, and in the Synaptics stanza, put 'Option "SHMConfig" "On"'
[09:33] <daniels> or just 'Option "SHMConfig"'
[09:33] <daniels> then restart X, then you can use synclient
[09:33] <daniels> you won't get it disabled this way :\
[09:34] <jdub> so if that's on, someone could actually write a gnomey touchpad configurator?
[09:35] <daniels> fo'sho
[09:35] <daniels> if it's more important than the gimp splash screen, I could take care of that
[09:40] <jdub>                 Option                  "SHMConfig"                            "true"
[09:41] <jdub> synclient TouchpadOff=1 disables the entire thing
[09:41] <jdub> but there are TapButton settings
[09:41] <jdub> i'll try those
[09:41] <daniels> what do you want to do, disable touchpad clicks?
[09:41] <jdub> yeah
[09:41] <jdub> rad
[09:41] <jdub> done
[09:41] <jdub> whoa
[09:41] <daniels> yeah, there's an option for that
[09:41] <jdub> now we can make a gnomey thing
[09:41] <daniels> and you can throw it in XF86Config-4, too
[09:42] <daniels> yeah
[09:42] <daniels> mad phat
[09:42] <jdub> $ synclient TapButton1=0
[09:42] <jdub> (and 2 and 3)
[09:42] <daniels> do you want a gnomey configurator?
[09:43] <mdz> daniels: please check out the Re: Login problem thread on ubuntu-users
[09:43] <mdz> seems like a problem with autodetection on iMacs with LCDs
[09:43] <jdub> daniels: i might find some spare time to write a pygtk replacement for the mouse thing, that talks to synclient :)
[09:44] <daniels> mdz: actually, I suspect the problem is that it's not in xserver-xfree86's whitelist of resolutions
[09:44] <Qo-noS> Mornin guys/gals...just made some proposals to the Gnome Usability mailing list, feel free to comment, dispense advice or critisize the suggestions where appropriate
[09:44] <Qo-noS> > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2004-September/msg00182.html
[09:44] <jdub> daniels: but having that option set ing XF86Config-4 would be worthy
[09:44] <daniels> jdub: disabled per default?
[09:44] <jdub> daniels: i mean the config thingy
[09:44] <daniels> jdub: (having SHMConfig not there is a bug; I had it set in my initial refactoring)
[09:45] <daniels> yeah
[09:45] <jdub> aha
[09:45] <jdub> cool
[09:45] <daniels> ubuntu22 will take care of Login problem and SHMConfig
[09:45] <daniels> mdz: ^^
[09:47] <jdub> mdz: what's ubuntu-base going to be used for, btw?
[09:49] <fabbione> does anybody remember what's the status for raid6 devices?
[09:49] <fabbione> apparently raidtools2 can't create them
[09:50] <phlaegel> fabbione: got a question for you on bug 1390. should it be fixed automatically after installing the updated X packages?
[09:51] <phlaegel> 1390 == windows key in shortcut problem
[09:51] <joem> whiprush, what was the address for the mplayer/codec debs?
[09:51] <phlaegel> joem: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[09:52] <joem> thanks
[09:53] <fabbione> phlaegel: you will need to restart X
[09:53] <phlaegel> well, yeah, I figured that :-)
[09:53] <phlaegel> it's still not working for me though
[09:53] <mdz> jdub: woody->warty post-upgrade tool, universe enabling script, stuff like that
[09:54] <mdz> daniels: great, please follow up
[09:54] <Qo-noS> joem: besides those mplayer .debs, you may also want some real bleeding edge audio, video, burning packages from rarewares as well, just add this repo to your sources.list > 
[09:54] <Qo-noS> # RAREWARES MAIN (libvorbis, lame, lame-ha, lame-cvs, lamip, cue2toc, shntool)
[09:54] <Qo-noS> deb http://www.rarewares.org/debian/packages/unstable ./
[09:55] <Qo-noS> But remember to add these following lines to your /etc/apt/preferences >
[09:55] <Qo-noS> Package: *
[09:55] <Qo-noS> Pin: release a=experimental
[09:55] <Qo-noS> Pin-Priority: 101
[09:55] <fabbione> phlaegel: i have no way to test that kind of things. they are way too much binded to user environment. feel free to reopen the bug but hounestly i have no idea on how to fix it
[09:55] <Qo-noS> ooops
[09:55] <Qo-noS> these lines instaed:
[09:55] <Qo-noS> Package: *
[09:55] <Qo-noS> Pin: release o=xmixahlx
[09:55] <Qo-noS> Pin-Priority: 900
[09:56] <qyrll8> Hi; I'm having troubles configuring screenbrightness (very dark) on a new install of ubuntu..any ideas? TIA
[09:57] <jdub> mdz: ahr, excellent
[09:57] <Keybuk> qyrll8: if you run xgamma in a terminal, what does it say?
[09:57] <jdub> mdz: that upgrade report sounded good
[09:57] <phlaegel> fabbione: ok, thanks. I'll look around and see what I can find...
[09:57] <jdub> mdz: but now my firewall is mipsel ;)
[09:58] <qyrll8> red blue green is all = 1.000
[10:00] <Keybuk> qyrll8: if you try upping it with (e.g.) xgamma -gamma 1.5 ... does it get better
[10:00] <Keybuk> (this is just playing with the gamma, not the actual brightness though)
[10:01] <IkeKrull> whats the easiest way to get Xorg 6.8.1 onto ubuntu?
[10:02] <fabbione> IkeKrull: wait for the packages?
[10:02] <fabbione> they will be part of the next release
[10:02] <IkeKrull> bah waiting sucks :)
[10:05] <sabdfl> morning all
[10:05] <fabbione> IkeKrull: there are a lot of things that needs to be changed to switch manually.. 
[10:06] <fabbione> IkeKrull: i am not sure the pain is worth at this point in time.
[10:06] <fabbione> IkeKrull: there are really only a few differences between our Xfree86 tree and X.org
[10:06] <fabbione> sabdfl: morning 
[10:06] <sabdfl> hey fabbione
[10:06] <sabdfl> anything interesting happen overnight?
[10:08] <qyrll8> anyone got good input as to where one finds a utility to control screenbrightness on a toshiba laptop? [note: xgamma does no difference] 
[10:08] <fabbione> sabdfl: oh yeah! my pillow won a couple of rounds during a big fight :-)
[10:09] <IkeKrull> fabbione: yeah i'll wait for the packages, just want to mess with transparent windows etc.
[10:10] <beezly> hehe
[10:10] <beezly> i feel like that too :)
[10:10] <jdub> if you mess with them too much
[10:10] <jdub> you'll end up losing them
[10:10] <jdub> *wink*
[10:10] <jdub> "where's my window?!"
[10:10] <IkeKrull> i can use the directFB server to get transparent windows
[10:11] <IkeKrull> that worked pretty well
[10:11] <IkeKrull> but font support etc isnt as good as Xorg etc.
[10:12] <IkeKrull> http://www.directfb.org/screenshots/XDirectFB-ARGB-Cursor.png
[10:13] <jcarnie> hi folks, i've just switched from a m$ desktop to ubuntu. my onboard sound card has 6 ch audio and  jack sensing. any chance i'll get something like that with ubuntu??
[10:14] <IkeKrull> depends.. probly not the jack-sensing but ALSA does support multichannel sound cards.. how well would depend on the specific chipset
[10:16] <joebeastie> so how is everyone?
[10:17] <sabdfl> fabbione: too much information, dude
[10:17] <jcarnie> righty oh... just a matter of playing around then.. it does seem to send out the sound on all speakers.. not to the extent it did under xp tho... :(  
[10:17] <sabdfl> jcarnie: try adjusting all the channels under alsamixer
[10:18] <highvoltage> Hi ubuntu ppl
[10:19] <highvoltage> I have an urgent question
[10:19] <Hrdwr_BoB> how urgen
[10:19] <Hrdwr_BoB> t
[10:19] <joebeastie> ohh urgent
[10:19] <Hrdwr_BoB> would you say
[10:19] <daniels> highvoltage: what's up?
[10:19] <highvoltage> How do I enable the cups web front-end?
[10:19] <jcarnie> HEY!! now we're talking... didn't even think to look there.. :) thanks sabdfl.
[10:19] <highvoltage> It says I have to use the configurator in the computer menu
[10:19] <highvoltage> but I want the web interface to work
[10:19] <highvoltage> what do I do?
[10:20] <joebeastie> man cups ?
[10:20] <highvoltage> ok
[10:20] <highvoltage> <sigh?
[10:20] <highvoltage> No manual entry for cups
[10:20] <highvoltage> ah, there's a cupsd page
[10:20] <daniels> highvoltage: um, it should already be listening on port 631
[10:21] <daniels> except you'll have to edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf and change RunAsUser Yes, to No
[10:21] <daniels> I believe
[10:21] <daniels> (mdz, smack me down if I'm wrong)
[10:21] <joebeastie> http://localhost:631/
[10:21] <joebeastie> ah ha
[10:21] <joebeastie> found it for you
[10:21] <daniels> highvoltage: bear in mind i's only listening on localhost, though
[10:22] <daniels> oh wow, it looks like you can't do any administration at all -- code patch?
[10:22] <joebeastie> damn. did not realize daniels beat me to it.
[10:22] <sabdfl> anybody else have a panel splash that sticks around?
[10:23] <highvoltage> ok. now when I restart cups it said that child exits with code 98
[10:23] <highvoltage> yes, I am accessing it with localhost:631
[10:23] <joebeastie> highvoltage: /etc/init.d/cupsd restart
[10:23] <highvoltage> But when I log in it tells me that web administration is disabled
[10:24] <highvoltage> joebeastie: When I do that it says that child exits with code 98
[10:24] <joebeastie> highvoltage: sudo /etc/init.d/cupsd restart
[10:24] <highvoltage> I can try that, even though I'm root already :)
[10:25] <joebeastie> you enabled root on your ubuntu box?
[10:25] <highvoltage> should it be /etc/init.d/cupsd? In debian it's cupsys (and ubuntu)
[10:25] <joebeastie> i guessed without looking. ;)
[10:25] <highvoltage> I booted from knoppix and chrooted to change my root passwd
[10:26] <highvoltage> only after that I read the FAQ and found out about the sudo thing
[10:26] <joebeastie> i think you voided your warranty and waivered all support ;P
[10:26] <highvoltage> ah crap
[10:26] <joebeastie> joke
[10:26] <highvoltage> ok. I'll email it to someone else and they can print it :)
[10:27] <topyli> highvoltage: oh you have a root password! what is it? :)
[10:27] <highvoltage> Ok. seriously though, I'll read some documentation when I have time later and bother you again later
[10:27] <highvoltage> "iamroot"
[10:27] <highvoltage> (yeah sure)
[10:27] <topyli> -click- click- not anymore =)
[10:37] <intero> re
[10:38] <topyli> how big can a mbox file be before it's impractical?
[10:40] <crimsun> pretty darned large
[10:41] <crimsun> i b{un}zip2 mine as necessary
[10:42] <topyli> i have about 3000 messages in a mysql database, i'd like to import them to evolution because its search tool is so cool these days. they'd all go into the "gnome" folder.
[10:49] <Kinnison> Morning
[11:00] <ondrej> jdub: I am going to investigate Gnome BT Downloader as it is mentioned on Bounties page.  who I may talk about it afterwards?
[11:00] <Treenaks> gnome bt downloader?
[11:01] <ondrej> it's bittorrent ui from gnome
[11:01] <Treenaks> ah bittorrent, not bluetooth :)
[11:02] <Treenaks> ondrej: stupid question, but which Bounties page?
[11:03] <ondrej> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fBounties
[11:04] <Treenaks> ah, I see
[11:06] <jono> morning all
[11:06] <beezly> morning jono
[11:06] <jono> hi beezly
[11:07] <joem> ha
[11:07] <joem> been there
[11:13] <krischan> Just made my way through the installation. It was rather painless, I am impressed.
[11:14] <krischan> My first question: Why is root account disabled by default? I find it to be confusing that SuperUser and my user do have the same password. Isn't that a little unsafe?
[11:15] <Keybuk> they don't ... sudo just asks for your password, if you set a root password it would still ask for yours
[11:17] <krischan> Yes, although something I'm not used to: sudo is already configured. On my old distro I always wanted to configure it, but never came around to it.
[11:18] <krischan> Well, but the point is: some graphical configuration tools ask for root password, and there my user password is accepted. Isn't that strange?
[11:19] <Mayday> it uses sudo
[11:20] <krischan> Mayday, my thought as well.
[11:20] <Mayday> to gain root and not su, moste graphical applications is modified to use gksudo instead of gksu
[11:20] <Kamion> krischan: if they explicitly say "root password", please file a bug; they should mostly say something like "please enter your password to gain root access"
[11:20] <Mayday> if i understand it correctly that is
[11:20] <Kamion> Mayday: correct
[11:21] <krischan> I'd like to know: do you (all) feel comfortable with this pre-configured sudo mechanisms? It give me a little the feeling of "I don't know what's happening around me".
[11:21] <joem> what else besides some basic ide modules would be needed for ubuntu to detect my cdroms
[11:21] <krischan> Kamion, I'll check it to be certain ...
[11:22] <Lowe> One thing i notice when i change an app to open with gksudo it always goes back to gksu when i reboot.
[11:23] <Kamion> joem: hopefully nothing, the installer should have everything it needs in the initrd ...
[11:23] <lml> I am trying to install Ubuntu, but is expirencing a problem. I am booting from the CD media I have downloaded fine, but after I have selected the language it tells me it is impossible to mount the CD? Any ideas?
[11:23] <pisuke> going from sid to slackware and back to ubuntu, I feel at home again. thanks to all the ubuntu staff and comunity.
[11:23] <joem> Kamion, it didn't..I used net install and have an sata hard disk if that would effect it
[11:23] <krischan> Okay, one example: "Please enter your password to run gdmsetup as user root". Kamion, I guess that's how you thought it.
[11:23] <Kamion> joem: entirely possible. what chipset?
[11:24] <Kamion> krischan: right, that's fine I think
[11:24] <joem> intel845
[11:25] <joem> not sure of the number, something similar
[11:25] <Kamion> joem: hm, I have some discover1 patches queued for i915, may be similar
[11:25] <Kamion> joem: do you have a full Linux installation elsewhere on that box?
[11:25] <joem> I did at one point
[11:25] <joem> not at the moment though, besides this one
[11:26] <Kamion> joem: ok, please switch to tty2 and type 'cut -f1,2 /proc/bus/pci/devices'
[11:26] <Kamion> joem: mail that to me (cjwatson@canonical.com)
[11:26] <joem> I couldn't install from the normal cd because it couldn't detect a common cdrom
[11:26] <Kamion> joem: you'll have to transcribe it I'm afraid, but it's not too long
[11:27] <joem> I have a full ubuntu install, just doesn't detect the ide stuff
[11:27] <Kamion> joem: if you have a full Ubuntu install on the same machine, mail me the output of 'lspci' and 'lspci -n'
[11:27] <joem> it is actually on a bug, let me get the number
[11:27] <Kamion> oh, you've already done that? ok ...
[11:28] <joem> yea
[11:28] <joem> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1440
[11:28] <joem> its assigned to you actually
[11:29] <Kamion> oh, that was the mad one I couldn't figure out
[11:29] <joem> heh
[11:29] <joem> same here
[11:29] <Kamion> you must be in expert mode or something to even see the message about those irrelevant modules
[11:29] <joem> yea I tried every mode I could
[11:30] <Kamion> it's normally hidden due to being, well, irrelevant
[11:30] <Kamion> joem: does 'lsmod' display ata_piix?
[11:30] <joem> yea
[11:31] <joem> ide_cs ide_generic ide_cd  cdrom ide_disk ide_core are other modules I have loaded, but still doesn't show up in /dev
[11:31] <krischan> Another question: I've read that using Debian packages for installing at Ubuntu is generally not a good idea, because they have been compiled on another platform. Strictly seen, does that mean that I can't make use of the many Debian packages that are there? Do I have to wait until somebody offers a desired software as Ubuntu package?
[11:32] <Kamion> krischan: that's what the 'universe' component is for (unsupported, though)
[11:32] <Kamion> krischan: it's basically Debian compiled against Ubuntu
[11:32] <Kamion> joem: any relevant errors in /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog?
[11:32] <jono> heya Kamion
[11:33] <Kamion> ata_piix should be your ATA controller
[11:33] <Kamion> hi jono
[11:33] <jono> hows things this morning?
[11:33] <Kamion> tired :)
[11:33] <jono> tell me about it
[11:33] <Kamion> need to pack for Oldenburg fairly urgently
[11:33] <jono> oldenburg?
[11:35] <joem> the only thing in messages really is PCI: Ignoring BAR0-3 of IDE controller 0000:00:1f.2
[11:35] <joem> and the standard E-IDE driver loading and setting the bus speed
[11:35] <jono> is there likely to be a solution for the ctrl-click issue on PPC?
[11:36] <joem> oh there is this in syslog:
[11:36] <joem> de0: I/O resource 0x1F0-0x1F7 not free.
[11:36] <joem> Sep 23 07:29:30 localhost kernel: ide0: ports already in use, skipping probe
[11:36] <joem> then the same for ide1
[11:37] <krischan> Kamion, I see, I have to make myself familiar with these main/restricted/universe components, thanks for the hint.
[11:41] <jono> jdub, ping
[11:47] <TongMaster> heya hypatia
[11:47] <AndyFitz> oops
[11:47] <AndyFitz> www.ubuntulinux.org
[11:47] <AndyFitz> wrong url there
[11:48] <Lowe> what?
[11:49] <AndyFitz> sorry wrong chat tab :-/
[11:49] <AndyFitz> telling scribus devs about ubuntu
[11:49] <AndyFitz> accidentally send ubuntu-linux.org before
[11:50] <hypatia> hey TongMaster
[11:55] <Lowe> what the hell i still have 325mb of upgrades
[11:55] <Kamion> joem: hm, possible, I've stuck that in the bug
[12:00] <cheitozz_> hola
[12:01] <cheitozz_> hay alguien que hable espaol?
[12:01] <crimsun> solamente ingles, lo siento
[12:02] <cheitozz_> solamente ingles, tu o el canal?
[12:03] <crimsun> really, i'm not fluent
[12:03] <crimsun> so i have to stick w/ English
[12:03] <pisuke> cheitozz_, yo soy espaol :)
[12:03] <cheitozz_> pisuke hola
[12:03] <cheitozz_> aki se puede hablar tb en espaol o esta prohibido?
[12:04] <pisuke> supongo que no sera lo correcto
[12:04] <pisuke> si es muy largo
[12:04] <pisuke> dame un privado
[12:04] <cheitozz_> es que yo de ingles estoy penco total
[12:04] <cheitozz_> es para que me cuente algo sobre ubuntu
[12:04] <cheitozz_> yo uso guadalinex
[12:04] <cheitozz_> y me interesa ubuntu
[12:05] <pisuke> yo no he usado guadalinex
[12:05] <pisuke> pero ubunto mola bastante. es sid estabilizado cada 6 meses
[12:05] <Lowe> anyone know why my mplayer isn't going fullscreen? well it is but it's only showing a tiny window
[12:05] <petemc>  -fs -zoom
[12:05] <cheitozz_> sus repositorios son de sid oficiales?
[12:05] <moyogo> Lowe: use -vo xv
[12:05] <Lowe> but im using the gui >_>
[12:06] <pisuke> no exactamente. se toma un snapshot de sid y se estabiliza
[12:06] <cheitozz_> ahh
[12:06] <moyogo> Lowe: edit your /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[12:06] <cheitozz_> luego para upgradearlo?
[12:06] <moyogo> Lowe: change the video output to xv
[12:07] <pisuke> cheitozz_, apt-get igual que debian. los repositorios son: main restricted universe 
[12:07] <pisuke> en universe esta lo que se va portando de sid
[12:07] <pisuke> para que funcione en ubuntu
[12:07] <Lowe> that worked thanks
[12:08] <pisuke> cheitozz_, en total hay 13800 paquetes
[12:08] <moyogo> Lowe: no prob
[12:08] <truk-zzz> cheitozz_: http://mercurio.homeip.net/blog/32/ y http://mercurio.homeip.net/blog/31/
[12:08] <truk-zzz> lee eso, est en castellano y explca bastante de ubuntu
[12:08] <cheitozz_> y.. tiene mirasmuchas gracias
[12:08] <cheitozz_> y tiene miras de seguir mucho en el tiempo?
[12:09] <pisuke> si
[12:09] <truk-zzz> cheitozz_: lee eso, luego si tienes dudas preguntas
[12:10] <cheitozz_> por cierto tendre que aprender ingles
[12:10] <truk-zzz> or go #ubuntu-es to speak in spanish :P
[12:10] <truk-zzz> i'm alone there
[12:11] <hypatia> it might be worth advertising the presence of non-English support channels
[12:11] <hypatia> on the wiki or something
[12:11] <truk-zzz> hypatia: i agree
[12:11] <truk-zzz> spanish one could be ubuntu-es
[12:11] <cheitozz_> jajaja
[12:12] <ondrej> seb128: python-glade2 is not in main, any reason for this?
[12:12] <hypatia> Unfortunately they've moved it onto the webpage: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/
[12:13] <cheitozz_> pisuke vente a abuntu-es
[12:13] <cheitozz_> ubuntu-es
[12:16] <seb128> ondrej: it's probably missing on the seed
[12:16] <dcrm-libra> are there any cd covers for ubuntu?
[12:16] <seb128> ondrej: but we have python2.3-glade2, only the dummy package is missing
[12:18] <hypatia> Hmm, lists.ubuntu.com is down :)
[12:19] <hypatia> I notice this only because miraculously my -users message didn't return to me almost instantly
[12:19] <TongMaster> heh
[12:20] <thom> yeah, being rebooted onto new kernel
[12:23] <jdub> jono: pong
[12:24] <jono> jdub, I am gonna mail these questions now - if you could get them back ASAP I would be grateful - I am reviewing Ubuntu now :)
[12:25] <fabbione> hey enrico !
[12:27] <enrico> fabbione: ciao!
[12:29] <jono> jdub, sent :)
[12:34] <ondrej> seb128: I am working on GNOME UI BitTorrent Bounty, you know :-)
[12:34] <seb128> I've seen your name on the lastest changes on wiki :)
[12:37] <cardador> hello. i am on a network group at my work, and ive put my workgroup name in network settings. but when i go yo computer -> network, the computers that show up belong to the workgroup "WORKGROUP" and to to mine. any clues?
[12:38] <cardador> and not to mine*
[12:52] <cardador> ill ask again, maybe now someone can help me out
[12:52] <cardador> hello. i am on a network group at my work, and ive put my workgroup name in network settings. but when i go to computer -> network, the computers that show up belong to the workgroup "WORKGROUP" and not to mine. any clues?
[12:55] <sabdfl> jdub: is the gnome splash screen supposed to hang around after login?
[12:55] <jdub> sabdfl: no, that's a very hard to track down session bug
[12:55] <jdub> sabdfl: can you mail me your ~/.gnome2/session file?
[12:56] <seb128> probably a program not registering in the right way to the session
[12:56] <jdub> seb128: some crack from universe ;)
[12:57] <seb128> jdub: yeah ...
[12:57] <mjg59> Wasn't there a flag to make it make the splash screen time out faster?
[12:57] <seb128> there is a timeout
[12:57] <ondrej> jdub: I am working on GNOME UI BitTorrent Bounty; who I am supposed to contact with result?
[12:58] <sabdfl> jdub: 2nd mail should have it
[12:58] <jdub> ondrej: sabdfl can help with that :)
[12:59] <jdub> sabdfl: evo will soon have a thingy to warn you about no attachments if you've mentioned attachments ;)
[12:59] <sabdfl> ondrej: i'd be happy for me, jdub, seb128, jamesh or any of our other gnome-friendly guys to mentor you through it
[01:00] <sabdfl> jdub: sheesh, you;d think they'd already have that in "mail" too :-)
[01:00] <jdub> haha
[01:01] <jdub> what do you think about "MY LAPTOP <hearts> UBUNTU" stickers? ;-)
[01:02] <Mithrandir> jdub: sounds nice.  But I want nice and cozy ubuntu t-shirts and sweaters.
[01:02] <jdub> Mithrandir: there's going to be a comp! :)
[01:03] <jdub> back soon
[01:03] <Mithrandir> hoodies would be nice.
[01:03] <ondrej> sabdfl: I looked at gnome-btdownload project mentioned in Wiki page.  It looks good, except it uses FileChooserDialog from not-released pygtk.  So I hacked it to use FileChooserDialog if available and in other cases use FileSelection (and bit of other tweaking to hide differences in UI).  Also I have fixed searching for glade files, which was using hardcoded paths.  So what now?  Is there some requirements on BitTorrent UI?
[01:03] <Ycros> jdub, so is there like an ubuntu mascot?
[01:04] <maswan> Mithrandir: there, finally I'm managing to burn a cd. took a while to get a working device or so.
[01:04] <Mithrandir> maswan: attacking ravel now?
[01:05] <sabdfl> Ycros: in the short term, a WARTHOG!
[01:05] <Ycros> that's just a release thing though isn't it?
[01:06] <maswan> Mithrandir: That's the plan, in a few minutes anyway.
[01:06] <Mithrandir> Ycros: no, it's a bit bigger than that
[01:06] <Mithrandir> maswan: ook, wiping out people's ~?
[01:06] <fabbione> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1642
[01:07] <fabbione> sabdfl: do you want to answer to that bug? ;)
[01:07] <fabbione> sabdfl: or can i leave it open for the glory?
[01:07] <sabdfl> ondrej: i think what we want is something that will (a) Just Work when you click on a torrent link in firefox or epiphany, (b) something that Looks Good, and by good we mean Gnome HIG compliant, simply, classy icons. It should also be easily usable, listing all downloads in progress, and completed, and items being pushed. Does yours do that?
[01:08] <sabdfl> Ycros: yes, its the first release. the next would be a hedgehog. we have the "three people logo"
[01:08] <sabdfl> fabbione: would make a good item in your .sig :-)
[01:09] <sabdfl> well done!
[01:09] <fabbione> sabdfl: for our team :-)
[01:10] <Mithrandir> fabbione: great work!
[01:11] <ondrej> sabdfl: will check that and report result...
[01:11] <ondrej> I think it needs updating to new MIME system in 2.8
[01:11] <fabbione> Mithrandir: :-))
[01:13] <topyli> will evolution explode if i import an mbox of about 3300 messages to a single folder? :)
[01:14] <Treenaks> topyli: no
[01:14] <Treenaks> topyli: it'll just take ages
[01:14] <topyli> lets see
[01:14] <ema> I've tried to subscribe to ubuntu-devel without luck
[01:14] <ema> any suggestion?
[01:15] <Treenaks> topyli: I'll watch for a mushroom clound to the north-east
[01:15] <Treenaks> ;)
[01:15] <topyli> it's 19 meg
[01:15] <Treenaks> ema: did you see the confirmation message?
[01:15] <Treenaks> topyli: that's nothing, I imported a 500M IMAP box
[01:15] <ema> Treenaks: yes, but I did not received the confirm email
[01:16] <Treenaks> ema: well, you should look for the cause of that then
[01:16] <hypatia> The lists.ubuntu.com server is down at the moment
[01:16] <Treenaks> that'd explain it
[01:16] <hypatia> ema: If you tried to subscribe just now, that might be why the mail didn't come through
[01:17] <ema> Treenaks: well, I've not got problems with email
[01:17] <ema> hypatia: I tried two times, the first one two days ago
[01:17] <topyli> hm. not successful, it only brought in about 80 messages :(
[01:18] <topyli> oh, it did get 3398 messages. it just marked 84 'unread' :)
[01:18] <topyli> \o/
[01:19] <topyli> you've got mail =)
[01:20] <topyli> mbox2mysql got all the attachments to separate files :/
[01:21] <Treenaks> I can't change the artist/track names on mp3 files..
[01:21] <Treenaks> using rhythmbox
[01:22] <seb128> rhythmbox doesn't edit tags for the moment
[01:22] <topyli> use easytag
[01:22] <Treenaks> topyli: I've shell-scripted something, that's not the problem
[01:22] <Treenaks> but it looks like it should be able to edit (the edit-boxes are not 
[01:22] <Treenaks> "disabled"
[01:23] <topyli> yeah, and it really _should_ be able to do it. the need for a separate app is annoying.
[01:25] <topyli> my "empty" trash has "28 items" :)
[01:28] <maswan> Mithrandir: Nope, the plan is to keep both that and the chroots.
[01:28] <maswan> Mithrandir: To be sure, I'm going to install with out the current $HOME-disk plugged in. :)
[01:29] <Mithrandir> maswan: ok, goodie
[01:29] <Mithrandir> maswan: you mean plugged in or typo?
[01:30] <Mithrandir> :)
[01:32] <jcarnie> hi all, i've just installed mplayer as per someone's instructions earlier.... the good news is it plays both mpg and avi.. :) bad news is i get the following error constantly whilst any dialog is going on....  "alsa-control: mixer attach /dev/mixer error: No such file or directory.  sound DOES work.. i just keep getting the above dialog box flashing over everything.  any help??
[01:36] <Sirius_Black> hi
[01:37] <Sirius_Black> any grub gurus here?
[01:37] <ondrej> where can I find some info on GNOME MIME database?
[01:38] <Sirius_Black> i wanna know what is grub equivalent of lilo's append = "hdc=ide-scsi"
[01:39] <ondrej> Sirius_Black: do you have standard install of grub (ie. ubuntu)?
[01:39] <truk-zzz> Sirius_Black: 2.6 can write cd's without scsi emulation
[01:39] <Sirius_Black> ondrej: yeah i have
[01:39] <Sirius_Black> truk-zzz: o know
[01:39] <ondrej> Sirius_Black: search for kopt in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:39] <Sirius_Black> i have more than one linux on my machine
[01:39] <Sirius_Black> one of them is 1.4.21
[01:39] <Sirius_Black> sorry
[01:39] <Sirius_Black> 2.4.21
[01:40] <truk-zzz> ok, so in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:40] <ondrej> f.e. I have: # kopt=root=/dev/hda2 ro nolapic
[01:40] <ondrej> after adding your changes you have to run update-grub command, and that's all
[01:42] <ondrej> But it does apply for all kernels...  if you want to have different entries for each kernel, you have to add manual entry for that kernel
[01:42] <Sirius_Black> ondrej: i know that
[01:42] <Sirius_Black> and i have done that
[01:43] <Sirius_Black> and i just want to know how does grub tell 2.4.21. kernel to make sure that hdc is ide-scsi
[01:43] <Sirius_Black> that's all
[01:44] <thom> it sticks it on the end of the kernel command line
[01:45] <lowe_> stupid ghost!
[01:46] <ondrej> sabdfl: do you think that this application should have one common windows with simple list of bittorrent downloads (like firefox download window) or separate window for each download (like IE)? This application is made in second style, but I could imagine, that having single simple window with ability to open detailed view would be better.
[01:47] <topyli> there are no ghosts really lowe_
[01:49] <lowe_> I mean my ghost Lowe
[01:50] <topyli> oh my. it's there all right :)
[01:50] <lowe_> how do i get rid of it? wait
[01:52] <lowe_> *yawn*
[01:53] <Treenaks> lowe_: or you chould have registered the name with nickserv, and used /msg nickserv ghost
[01:53] <topyli> can't someone kick it?
[01:53] <lowe_> Why is there no ops in here anyway
[01:54] <Treenaks> topyli: kicking won't work.. it has to be killed
[01:54] <hypatia> they probably could, but it needs to be kicked off the entire server before he can use the nick
[01:54] <thom> topyli: no, because that doesn't remove it from the network, so the nick is still in use
[01:54] <thom> lowe_: why do you want ops?
[01:54] <lowe_> I was just wondering
[01:54] <thom> there are people registered with chanserv so if necessary it's doable
[01:55] <thom> just unnecessary to day to day channel usage :-)
[01:55] <hypatia> I can't remember the last time I saw someone use ops on freenode
[01:55] <hypatia> oh yeah I can. #twisted people will kick you if you say "lol"
[01:55] <thom> seems fair
[01:56] <Treenaks> hypatia: lol :P
[01:56] <lowe_> you see my mum is doing the hall, new carpet and stuff and she has pulled the cable out a few times, that's why i get that gay ghost. -_-
[01:56] <Treenaks> lowe_: it'll time out eventually
[01:56] <Treenaks> lowe_: /ping it :)
[01:57] <stevedeo> 6:00AM. Can't sleep. Time to blow away my sid install and put ubuntu on here, I guess.
[01:58] <lowe_> Is gentoo really hard to install? i have a spare machine i was wanting to install it on.
[01:59] <_Hiro_> no it's a breeze
[01:59] <[Bas] > installing gentoo is a piece of cake indeed, maintaining it is another point
[02:00] <lowe_> hmm well people say i need to have a good understanding of most commands before installing
[02:00] <_Hiro_> don't you need that with any linux system? :/
[02:01] <lowe_> Not really, i have managed to get quite far without knowing many.
[02:01] <lowe_> Really should buy some books though.
[02:01] <_Hiro_> it's not fancy.. fdisk, partition creation, mouting and stuff :)
[02:01] <jsc> the install docs for gentoo are very good
[02:01] <jsc> fairly easy to follow
[02:02] <lowe_> I will print them out tonight, and see how i feel.
[02:02] <_Hiro_> it's what you'd need to know to install windows 2000 for instance (except for the mounting)
[02:02] <jsc> youll learn alot too
[02:02] <lowe_> yay
[02:03] <Lowe> man it's so cold today
[02:03] <moyogo> anyone tried realplayer 10 on ubuntu/
[02:03] <moyogo> ?
[02:04] <Lowe> oh god not real player
[02:04] <Lowe> realplayer is spyware for linux lol
[02:04] <moyogo> Lowe: hehe, there are some radio's and other medias i like to listen to that are only real
[02:04] <Lowe> oh well
[02:04] <Lowe> Does it still have those annoying ads?
[02:04] <[Bas] > realplayer 10 works fine here on ubuntu
[02:05] <moyogo> [Bas] : how about it's interaction with firefox
[02:05] <moyogo> [Bas] : my firefox keep refusing to open/save .ra or .ram 
[02:06] <[Bas] > hmm haven't tried that let me see
[02:06] <hypatia> Lowe: register your nick with nickserv now, so you can recover it next time :)
[02:06] <moyogo> [Bas] : it only keep a temp copy while the open/save dialog is open
[02:07] <moyogo> maybe it's a mime problem i have, but i don't know much about that
[02:07] <moyogo> and firefox filetypes preferences don't show any .ra nor .ram
[02:07] <[Bas] > the OK button is disabled indeed, weird
[02:08] <moyogo> [Bas] : rather annoying, eh
[02:09] <Lowe> < doesn't know what nickserv is :(
[02:09] <Treenaks> Lowe: /msg nickserv help
[02:11] <moyogo> [Bas] : at least, the plugin works
[02:11] <glens> Anyone tried installing equivs?  It keeps getting stuck at 99% for me.
[02:11] <Lowe> alright i got to the pasword bit it says type register then my pasword and i get unknown command :(
[02:13] <Lowe> ok it worked
[02:16] <gneto> Anybody knows a way to get newly installed programs to show up in the foot menu or other place ?
[02:17] <Treenaks> gneto: drag them there?
[02:18] <Tsjoklat> hey pitti
[02:18] <gneto> Treenaks: From where ?
[02:18] <pitti> Tsjoklat: Hi!
[02:18] <Treenaks> gneto: what did you install
[02:18] <Tsjoklat> hi :)
[02:18] <pitti> Tsjoklat: you was the guy with the 24 hour CD download?
[02:18] <Tsjoklat> girl
[02:18] <Tsjoklat> 47 hours
[02:18] <gneto> Treenaks, a lot of stuff via synaptic. Some show up but not all
[02:18] <pitti> is it finished now?
[02:18] <Tsjoklat> just details :P
[02:19] <Tsjoklat> am on Ubuntu now :)
[02:19] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: and? :)
[02:19] <pitti> Tsjoklat: did the installation work?
[02:19] <Tsjoklat> besides a few minor issues I am over the moon
[02:19] <Tsjoklat> yes installation worked.. amazingly fast too
[02:19] <pitti> Tsjoklat: can you submit/followup to bugs for the minor issues?
[02:20] <Tsjoklat> ext3 is not know though... can't mount window drives and properties on mp3s are busted
[02:20] <stevedeo> Hrm.
[02:20] <pitti> Tsjoklat: what do you mean by "ext3 is not known"?
[02:21] <Tsjoklat> when I type mount it says type unknow
[02:21] <stevedeo> Is there any chance I can just replace my sid sources.list and do an `apt-get dist-upgrade'? Probably not, hey? :)
[02:21] <Tsjoklat> /dev/hdb1 on / type unknown (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[02:21] <Tsjoklat> but I checked with Knoppix.. it is ext3
[02:21] <mjg59> Tsjoklat: Yes, the root filesystem will be marked unknown in mtab
[02:21] <pitti> stevedeo: probably it will fail because we have different libraries and "older" versions
[02:21] <Tsjoklat> really?
[02:22] <mjg59> It's because of the way rootfs works
[02:22] <Tsjoklat> why is that mjg?
[02:22] <mjg59> The kernel uses a special rootfs filesystem for /
[02:22] <Tsjoklat> something new?
[02:22] <mjg59> It's because it's mounted by the kernel rather than going through mount
[02:23] <Tsjoklat> is there a boot option to turn off devfs by default?
[02:23] <Treenaks> mjg59: unless you pivot_root...
[02:23] <mjg59> Treenaks: Yeah
[02:23] <mjg59> Tsjoklat: devfs=nomount, I think
[02:23] <Tsjoklat> I can try that
[02:24] <Tsjoklat> so.. why can't I when I am in nautilus click on C and get my window drive to show up?
[02:24] <Tsjoklat> it says it's 'busy'
[02:24] <Lowe> maybe it's cooking a pie :p
[02:24] <Tsjoklat> lol Lowe :P
[02:25] <Tsjoklat> well what really bothers me a lot is this:
[02:25] <Tsjoklat> I right click on an mp3
[02:25] <Tsjoklat> go to properties
[02:25] <Tsjoklat> tab audio/video and this what I get:
[02:26] <Tsjoklat> There was an error while trying to create the view named `Audio/Video': System exception: IDL:omg.org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0
[02:26] <Tsjoklat> wee
[02:26] <Lowe> yeah i get that too
[02:26] <Tsjoklat> you do?
[02:26] <Lowe> yes
[02:26] <mjg59> Tsjoklat: Can you check bugzilla.ubuntu.com and see if there's already a bug about that?
[02:26] <Tsjoklat> subterrific didn't lol.. felt so alone
[02:27] <Lowe> What exactly is in the audio/video tab anyway?
[02:27] <Tsjoklat> for totem I think?
[02:27] <Tsjoklat> loading mjg
[02:27] <Tsjoklat> how do I check it?
[02:28] <Tsjoklat> shouldn't I use the bug report tool?
[02:28] <Tsjoklat> I am not very familair with bugzilla
[02:28] <mjg59> Ah, then just use the bug report tool
[02:29] <Tsjoklat> ah okay, I tried a search for audio tab but it wouldn't let me
[02:29] <Tsjoklat> and a tiny question.. my trashcan is totally squased in the bar.. how do I get it to show up normal size?
[02:29] <Tsjoklat> heya housetier
[02:31] <Lowe> aha i finally found the advanced tab, ubuntu hid the gnome control center
[02:31] <Tsjoklat> mjg looks like more ppl have found the audio tab to be amiss
[02:31] <Tsjoklat> for what do you need the advanced tab Lowe?
[02:31] <Lowe> i just need it 
[02:31] <Lowe> to feel complete
[02:32] <Tsjoklat> what does it do?
[02:32] <Tsjoklat> didn't miss it yet lol
[02:33] <Lowe> it's still missing stuff that's supposed to be there
[02:33] <Tsjoklat> I am only hoping gtktalog shows up soon.. can't live without that
[02:33] <Tsjoklat> is your trash looking fine Lowe?
[02:33] <Tsjoklat> it looks okay when I pick Gnome icon set but when I pick Industrial it becomes a very minime trash
[02:34] <Lowe> hmm
[02:34] <Lowe> dunno i downloaded the GNAT icons or whatever they are called
[02:34] <Tsjoklat> and they show up fine as trashcan in the bar?
[02:34] <Tsjoklat> my trashcan looks really pathetic lol
[02:35] <Tsjoklat> it resembles more of a turd then a trashcan
[02:36] <krischan> people, I just came across the following line when I typed "mount" into the command line: "/dev/hdd4 on / type unknown (rw,errors=remount-ro)"
[02:36] <Tsjoklat> it suppose to be normal krischan
[02:36] <krischan> fyi, hdd4 is where my Linux is installed on.
[02:36] <Tsjoklat> according to mjg
[02:36] <Tsjoklat> I had the same question
[02:36] <krischan> How can it be "type unknown"?
[02:36] <mjg59> krischan: Yeah, that's normal
[02:37] <mjg59> It's because / is mounted by the kernel, not userspace
[02:37] <mjg59> And mtab is kept up to date by userspace, not the kernel
[02:38] <krischan> Oh, I see. Interesting detail. As far as I remember this didn't print under Fedora, where I come from. (I use Ubuntu since yesterday evening :)
[02:39] <mjg59> It's cosmetic rather than anything else - if you check /proc/mounts (which is kept up to date by the kernel) it'll tell you what filesystem is being used
[02:43] <krischan> Another question: I still have two partitions left to mount (permanently). One is my old /home (at the moment I still work without my old data) and the other a FAT partition with music and video stuff. At my first Ubuntu install, I mounted the FAT partition during install. Result was:
[02:45] <krischan> First time Ubuntu booted up, it took ages because there were many messages about corrupted blocks, truncated blocks occuring on the FAT partition. Would you recommend to check the FAT's filesystem somehow before I mount it?
[02:45] <Lowe> lol>(13:44:28) cid_designs: quite near, but that's not why it's cold. Every door and window is open
[02:45] <Lowe> (13:44:48) backward_link_bomb: you house sounds like a windows box
[02:50] <mjg59> krischan: It probably shouldn't be trying to fsck the FAT partitions. It sounds like it generally gets things wrong.
[02:51] <krischan> mjg59, would you recommend a fsck on that partition in general?
[02:51] <krischan> Never done this before, under Fedora no problem like that ever occured.
[02:53] <mjg59> krischan: What I'd recommend (and I'm not really a Ubuntu developer :) ) is that you edit /etc/fstab and change the pass field to 0 for the fat partitions
[02:53] <mjg59> That'll stop them being fscked
[02:58] <moyogo> krischan: did you just do a fresh install off of the cd?
[02:59] <moyogo> krischan: i had the same issue, changing the 2 into 0 in /etc/fstab for my fat partition worked
[03:02] <intero> hei Mithrandir 
[03:06] <Qerub> How is Canonical Software supposed to earn money? :)
[03:06] <Lowe> my friend asked me to ask you lot a question so here it is
[03:06] <Muttley> 1) Release 2) Market 3) ??? 4) Profit   ;)
[03:06] <Lowe> (14:06:10) backward_link_bomb: on a server a web server there a geographic number that represents its position in the world
[03:06] <Lowe> (14:06:20) backward_link_bomb: is there a port on the server for this
[03:06] <Lowe> (14:06:28) backward_link_bomb: or a packet request
[03:07] <Qerub> Muttley: Aha! :)
[03:07] <Qerub> Lowe: Eh?
[03:07] <Lowe> :shrugs:
[03:15] <Treenaks> yes, the "LOC" DNS record...
[03:15] <Treenaks> but it's not widespread
[03:18] <T-Bone> sabdfl: you around?
[03:25] <jdub> sabdfl: ping
[03:25] <jdub> yo mako_ 
[03:25] <ulmen> how do i switch back to firefox 0.9* after dist-upgrading to the 1.0Pre? can i do so without downloading the .deb manually?
[03:26] <jdub> ulmen: it might be in your apt cache
[03:26] <jdub> check under,
[03:26] <jdub> /var/cache/apt/archives/
[03:26] <thom> ulmen: problems with 1.0?
[03:26] <moyogo> ulmen: it's on the cd too
[03:26] <ulmen> thom: yes, no extensions are installable and seems to be unstable
[03:27] <thom> ulmen: if so, please file bugs
[03:27] <ulmen> jdub: okay thank you, there it is =)
[03:27] <thom> i'm in the midst of testing currently
[03:28] <ulmen> thom: hm the crashes are not reproduceable ...
[03:28] <ulmen> and the extension ... absolutly no idea why they won't install ...
[03:28] <ulmen> i've whitelisted the site
[03:28] <thom> tell me which extensions please, and from where
[03:28] <ulmen> adblock
[03:28] <thom> so i can test, also
[03:28] <ulmen> update.mozilla.org
[03:29] <Tsjoklat> argh my poor trashcan
[03:29] <ulmen> thom: i click on the "Install Now" link, the extensions window opens and ... nothing happes ..
[03:29] <cbaoth> Find in the 1.0pr package is b0rked.
[03:30] <thom> cbaoth: yup
[03:30] <thom> cbaoth: already a bug filed on that
[03:30] <ulmen> thom: this is with every extension ... but adblock is one of the few i really want/need ;)
[03:30] <Treenaks> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1628
[03:31] <sabdfl> jdub: pong
[03:32] <sabdfl> T-Bone: now
[03:32] <Lowe> my find is fine *yawn*
[03:32] <Lowe> why do people have all these problems lol. I'm just glad i don't..
[03:34] <thom> ok, they're problems with our package. joy
[03:34] <thom> (i can't reproduce with the binary from moz.org)
[03:35] <pisuke> hi. I blacklisted a module in hotplug, but it keeps loading
[03:36] <cbaoth> Blacklist in discover.conf too.
[03:36] <pisuke> ok. thx
[03:36] <Tsjoklat> vsftpd is in the list! weeee
[03:36] <pisuke> slackware 10 just used hotplug
[03:36] <pisuke> for device detection
[03:37] <Treenaks> thom: I have a working SuSE version of PR1 (which I apt-got from ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt)
[03:37] <Tsjoklat> evo is nice, didn't think it would be this nice
[03:37] <Hrdwr_BoB> hehe
[03:38] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: speaking of Evo.. I need to file a bug on it about ipv6
[03:38] <Tsjoklat> glad I reminded you lol
[03:39] <Lowe> IS there actually a decent ftp server for just sharing mp3 files with friends?
[03:39] <thom> hmm. see, my problem with evo is "it's not mutt". same goes for just about anything :-)
[03:39] <Lowe> like BPFTP server for windows
[03:39] <Keybuk> the one reserved for KDE users and people who like mutt
[03:39] <mjg59> Bah. mutt is lovely.
[03:39] <Treenaks> Lowe: just torrent them on a private tracker :)
[03:39] <mjg59> So is Evolution.
[03:40] <Tsjoklat> never tried mutt
[03:40] <thom> Keybuk: i'm only going if i get knocked out by being snogged by some cute thing called safron
[03:40] <Tsjoklat> was thinking of trying thunderbird though
[03:40] <Tsjoklat> just to see it
[03:40] <Keybuk> thom: heh
[03:41] <Tsjoklat> I am so impressed with Ubuntu that I installed in on all my five computers
[03:42] <Lowe> It's not exactly convient.
[03:42] <Lowe> I just want to run a nice ftp server, but there is none for really private servers.
[03:42] <Treenaks> Lowe: put them on a private webserver?
[03:43] <Lowe> again it's not exactly convient.
[03:43] <Lowe> I downloaded gproftpd a gui frontend, it seems alright but you can't like choose what folders someone can download from.
[03:48] <Lowe> chat is dead
[03:48] <Lowe> hmm
[03:50] <truk-zzz> you can, lowe
[03:50] <truk-zzz> with perms, groups and users
[03:50] <truk-zzz> but better read a manual about it first, if you don't know how to do it
[03:51] <falkryn> hi, I've been running apt-get update and upgrade lately, and see a ton of changes on a daily basis (not a bad thing ;-)  Is there a public changelog anywhere though
[03:51] <Lowe> Such a hassle
[03:51] <Lowe> In BPFTP server you could just share directorys like uhm a p2p
[04:03] <aethyr> jdub: this might be useful to post in the thread on desktop-wide profiling, http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guile-gtk-general/2004-05/msg00020.html
[04:18] <phloww> hi
[04:19] <Tsjoklat> hi phloww
[04:19] <bigboy> hello ubuntu users
[04:19] <jdub> hello bigboy 
[04:20] <jdub> [ that sounds vaguely rude ;-) ] 
[04:20] <bigboy> :-D
[04:22] <bigboy> i installed Ubuntu preview a couple of days ago and find that it will be fine linux distro
[04:22] <JanneM> what is the status on using ubuntu on an 12" iBook? notable successes or failures?
[04:22] <jdub> JanneM: should be pretty good
[04:22] <jdub> JanneM: modulo wifi support :|
[04:22] <JanneM> I just noticed that those machines are pretty cheap nowadays
[04:22] <JanneM> ok
[04:23] <JanneM> well, wifi is an ongoing litany
[04:23] <jdub> ;)
[04:23] <JanneM> was thinking of getting one to dual-boot, actually
[04:24] <jdub> i'd suggest osx first ;)
[04:24] <JanneM> the point of buying another machine is to play with ubuntu (and other linux distros)
[04:24] <phloww> so, i need some help here please ;)
[04:25] <JanneM> so it'd be dual-booted if I get it at all
[04:25] <JanneM> phloww: fire away!
[04:26] <phloww> i changed the rootpass with sudo passwd root, but if i do sudo <anyrootcommand> and i am prompted for the rootpass its still my userpass
[04:26] <phloww> and not the rootpass i set before
[04:26] <Kinnison> sudo uses the user password
[04:26] <JanneM> yep
[04:26] <phloww> oh ;) kay
[04:26] <Kinnison> if you want to have to enter the root password use 'su' not 'sudo'
[04:26] <JanneM> sudo checks that the person sitting in front of the machine is the one that is logged in
[04:27] <JanneM> you already have permission to do stuff as root - you just have to confirm that you are, well, you
[04:29] <phloww> so every user can do root-commands with sudo? or is there a group the user hast to belong ?
[04:29] <JanneM> no
[04:29] <Kinnison> the file /etc/sudoers controls access to sudo
[04:29] <JanneM> only the first created user
[04:29] <JanneM> by default
[04:29] <phloww> thx
[04:29] <Kinnison> in Ubuntu; the first user is added to /etc/sudoers by default
[04:30] <phloww> thanx for help, never used sudo before...
[04:30] <phloww> one more happy ubuntu user ;)
[04:31] <jdub> phloww: now you should disable your root password again :)
[04:31] <jdub> phloww: sudo passwd -d root
[04:32] <phloww> nice concept not using root at all.
[04:32] <Dr_Willis> of coruse if ya get a command you need thts not on the 'sudo' allow list. you may need to renable roots password right?
[04:32] <Dr_Willis> or do ya just let ALL commands be su-do able.
[04:32] <Mayday> what is the font called that is used in the gtk2 theme?
[04:33] <Tsjoklat> bittstream-vera?
[04:33] <Mayday> thanks
[04:34] <Tsjoklat> yw
[04:34] <mxpxpod> jdub: do you guys have a *mm maintainer?
[04:34] <cbaoth> @find opengl
[04:35] <Mithrandir> cbaoth: xlibmesa-gl?
[04:36] <flex> hi, i compiled new kernel and got "unable to mount root fs on uknown-blok (0, 0)", i'm googling all day and found nothing usefull
[04:37] <Kinnison> flex: Did you forget to make an initrd for your kernel?
[04:37] <flex> well i made initrd but got another kernel panic
[04:37] <flex> cannot open /dev/console : no such file ...
[04:38] <Kinnison> Hmm
[04:38] <Nonphasis> anyone using eclipse on ubuntu?
[04:38] <Kinnison> try installing the 'kernel-package' package and using the 'make-kpkg' tool to compile your kernel into a .deb
[04:38] <Kinnison> that may help
[04:39] <flex> ok i made that too but it shows the same
[04:39] <Tsjoklat> building kernels in Deb rocks
[04:39] <Nonphasis> cannot open console is a botch in kernel config
[04:39] <flex> howto make initrd file with make-kpkg ?
[04:40] <thom> hrm, i'm now very bored of building firefox
[04:40] <Mithrandir> make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image
[04:40] <thom> flex: --initrd
[04:40] <Mithrandir> thom: get yourself a faster computer. :P
[04:40] <thom> Mithrandir: i think 
[04:41] <thom> i could have a multi THz computer and g++ would still be slow
[04:41] <Mithrandir> thom: ccache?
[04:41] <flex> now tells me cannot find /lib/modules/2.6.8.1/modules/dep file and kernel panic
[04:41] <thom> Mithrandir: does it work with g++ ? man page doesn't say
[04:42] <Kinnison> thom: Using ccache ?
[04:42] <Kinnison> aah yes it should
[04:42] <Tsjoklat> did you use fakeroot?
[04:43] <Mithrandir> thom: I think so.
[04:46] <axe9> (.\/.)
[04:47] <borked> argh
[04:48] <axe9> I'm getting pissed
[04:48] <axe9> My hard drive is now totally dead.
[04:48] <axe9> Hey, how do I access system BIOS?
[04:52] <srbaker> so ubuntu installed perfectly on my tecra 8100
[04:52] <srbaker> but it's slow as fuck.
[04:52] <srbaker> and booting is slow, too
[04:52] <srbaker> actually, it's mostly booting that's slow
[04:55] <srbaker> ubuntu takes more than 4 minutes to get to "* Starting Gnome Display Manager"
[04:55] <srbaker> that *can't* be right
[04:59] <elim> what is the spec of the pc/mac?
[04:59] <srbaker> p3-750 128M
[04:59] <srbaker> it's a notebook
[04:59] <srbaker> toshiba tecra 8100
[05:01] <mxpxpod> tseng: ping
[05:03] <srbaker> debian sarge and fedora core 2 both boot fine on this, btw
[05:03] <Nonphasis> srbaker, what is slow? every phase in bootup? kernel load?
[05:04] <cheitozz_> is possible install kde in ubuntu?
[05:04] <srbaker> Nonphasis, everything
[05:04] <srbaker> cheitozz_, it's in universe.  i'm not sure if it's a good idea, tho :P
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> trivially easy :P I did it the other day
[05:04] <Nonphasis> srbaker, weird
[05:04] <Lowe> I don't understand why people install linux on low powered laptops *sigh*
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> at least I think it was in ubuntu :P
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> apt-get update , apt-get install kde
[05:04] <Nonphasis> i tried installing kde festerday
[05:04] <srbaker> Lowe, i'm getting more ram for it.  but don't tell me that p3-750 is low powered
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> it may of been in 'userlinux' however. ive been trying both out this week.
[05:05] <Nonphasis> removed it immediately, it seemed quite broken
[05:05] <srbaker> i have a p3-700 that screams with debian.
[05:05] <cheitozz_> srbaker, for what isn't a good idea?
[05:05] <Nonphasis> userlinux has no kde
[05:05] <Lowe> srbaker p3-750 is lowe powered
[05:05] <Lowe> low*
[05:05] <srbaker> Lowe, bullshit.  it's more speed than i need for simple hacking.
[05:05] <truk-zzz> Lowe: using linux? r u kidding?
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> Nonphasis,  it think it did after i apt-get'd it. :P or perhaps it was unbutu - I got so many different pcs' i get confused
[05:05] <truk-zzz> i have debian sarge in a k6-350 and works *perfect*
[05:05] <srbaker> Lowe, my computer uses haven't changed in 3 or 4 years.  so my hardware doesn't need to change either.
[05:05] <Lowe> Well it depends on your use
[05:06] <srbaker> Lowe, what do you do that requires more than p3-750?
[05:06] <Lowe> Games and shit, my athlon 2000xp seems slow to me
[05:06] <Dr_Willis> lol
[05:07] <Dr_Willis> gimp can be very gimped at times :P on low end machines it seems.
[05:07] <mxpxpod> who is the one here that has the buildd's for ubuntu
[05:07] <Dr_Willis> not sure if gimp2 is better or worse in this reguard.
[05:07] <Lowe> My athlon xp is often gasping for breath
[05:07] <srbaker> Lowe, well for games, maybe.but i don't play games.
[05:07] <Nonphasis> Dr_Willis, ubuntu has kde in universe at least... i think bruce perens made the decision to skip kde in UL
[05:07] <Lowe> Well as long as it isn't for day to say use
[05:07] <srbaker> i have a barton 2500+ that spends all day compiling, and streaming oggs, and still plays q3a
[05:07] <Lowe> day*
[05:07] <srbaker> Lowe, you're an idiot
[05:08] <Lowe> *sigh*
[05:08] <Lowe> your one of "those"
[05:08] <thom> hrm
[05:08] <Nonphasis> srbaker, tsk tsk, that's a #debian attitude
[05:08] <thom> i've fixed extension installing
[05:08] <thom> just freakin' find left
[05:08] <Lowe> yeah this guy has an attitude problem
[05:08] <srbaker> Lowe, i have an attitude problem?  you're the one telling me what my needs are.  and then trivializing them.
[05:09] <Tsjoklat> breath
[05:09] <srbaker> sigh.
[05:09] <srbaker> anyways.
[05:09] <Dr_Willis> Nonphasis,  heh - the more i use gnome... the more i perfer kde. *sigh* 
[05:09] <Lowe> Nope i just sayed that p3-750 is no use to me *yawn*
[05:09] <srbaker> so i can't figure out why ubuntu boots so slowly on this.
[05:09] <Nonphasis> srbaker, actually, I agree w/ you that 700mhz is plenty. just don't go ad hominem
[05:09] <Kosai> Dr_Willis: `apt-get install kde` works just fine, from universe.
[05:10] <axe9> How do I edit my BIOS in Linux?
[05:10] <Dr_Willis> its interesting how the  Linux Disrots are branching out and developing right now.
[05:10] <Kosai> axe9: I can't tell whether that's a particularly smart or stupid question.  If the former, take a look at /proc/nvram.
[05:10] <Dr_Willis> axe9,  - Hmm... thats an interesting question.
[05:10] <axe9> Hmn?
[05:11] <Kosai> (By which I mean, if you're actually looking to dump the BIOS in userland, you can, but if you're asking about actually using it, you can't.)
[05:11] <Lowe> haha this is funny.
[05:11] <truk-zzz> axe9: do you mean cmos?
[05:11] <axe9> uhm...
[05:11] <axe9> donno
[05:11] <Lowe> I disagree with one person and everyone starts the my processor is powerful enough routine..
[05:11] <truk-zzz> what you really wanna do axe9 ?
[05:11] <Dr_Willis> axe9,  why dont we ask WHAT you are trying to do. :P
[05:11] <axe9> I was thiking I might be able to perform necrolosys with my late hdd
[05:12] <Dr_Willis>  necrolosys ?
[05:12] <axe9> reviving
[05:13] <truk-zzz> rescue an hd ?
[05:13] <srbaker> is there a place to post installation experiences with ubuntu?
[05:13] <srbaker> bugzilla perhaps
[05:13] <srbaker> ?
[05:14] <srbaker> install took over 3 hours from inserting the CD to starting gdm for the first time
[05:14] <truk-zzz> srbaker: yes
[05:14] <srbaker> it didn't ask me any questions, but it was slow as fuck
[05:14] <Mithrandir> srbaker: bugzilla for bugs, the -user or -devel list for experiences.
[05:14] <Mithrandir> srbaker: what kind of hw?
[05:14] <srbaker> k
[05:14] <truk-zzz> bugzilla.ubuntulinuxbugzilla.ubuntulinux.org.org
[05:14] <truk-zzz> ups
[05:14] <truk-zzz> bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org
[05:14] <srbaker> Mithrandir, Toshiba Tecra 8100, p3-750, 128M
[05:14] <dieman> ok
[05:14] <srbaker> maybe it was improper hdd settings by default?
[05:14] <dieman> ftp.cs is going to be a full ubuntu-cdimage mirror in a few mins here
[05:14] <Mithrandir> srbaker: weird.. could be missing DMA, yes.
[05:15] <srbaker> *really* fucking slow
[05:15] <srbaker> i know running gnome in 128M is a bit of a stretch, but it should've booted in less than 5 minutes.
[05:15] <LeeC> I'm trying to go the sarge > warty route via changing /etc/apt/source.list  How do I install the standard set of packages?
[05:15] <srbaker> i'm installing sarge now
[05:17] <LeeC> Is the list of selections somewhere on the install CD?
[05:17] <gpart> hi
[05:18] <gpart> is it possible to install/run ubuntu from an external usb-harddrive?
[05:22] <dcrm-libra> Hi I'm trying to get to a windows xp computer on a domain and I keep getting access denied, I don't get any password prompt or anything? What am I doing wrong? Thanks.
[05:23] <schvenk> has anyone gotten KDE working?
[05:24] <Kosai> Yeah.
[05:24] <Kosai> Just did apt-get install kde, after adding universe to sources.list.
[05:24] <Nonphasis> it "worked" out of the box
[05:25] <Lowe> KDE is a resource hog. (especially when i only have 256mb ram :( )
[05:25] <schvenk> i haven't been able to...when I select any KDE package (after enabling universe) in the SPM, I get dependency errors
[05:25] <schvenk> much more so than gnome?
[05:25] <Nonphasis> was ugly as hell though... nothing a little tweaking probably wouldn't fix
[05:25] <jdub> schvenk: nah, they're both around the same ;)
[05:25] <Nonphasis> I'm waiting for "official" ubuntu kde
[05:25] <schvenk> i'm pretty new to both gnome and kde, but the kde installs i've seen have seemed a little better
[05:25] <Lowe> Well maybe just on my system. Kde perfoms pretty bad.
[05:26] <Lowe> Performs*
[05:26] <Tsjoklat> <-- happy kde-free user
[05:26] <Nonphasis> jdub, btw, do you know how to add an xmodmap as selection to gnome kbd layout switcher
[05:26] <schvenk> hmm...doesn't work from the cmd line either. i get the following error:
[05:27] <schvenk> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:27] <schvenk>   kde: Depends: kde-core but it is not going to be installed
[05:27] <schvenk>        Depends: kde-amusements but it is not going to be installed
[05:27] <schvenk>        Depends: kdeaddons but it is not going to be installed
[05:27] <schvenk>        Depends: kdeadmin but it is not going to be installed
[05:27] <schvenk>        Depends: kdeartwork but it is not going to be installed
[05:27] <schvenk>        Depends: kdegraphics but it is not going to be installed
[05:27] <schvenk>        Depends: kdemultimedia but it is not going to be installed
[05:27] <schvenk>        Depends: kdenetwork but it is not going to be installed
[05:27] <schvenk>        Depends: kdepim but it is not going to be installed
[05:27] <schvenk>        Depends: kdeutils but it is not going to be installed
[05:27] <schvenk>        Depends: quanta but it is not installable
[05:27] <Lowe> wow wow we get the idea
[05:27] <Nonphasis> got the idea
[05:27] <schvenk> E: Broken packages
[05:27] <dcrm-libra> Hi I'm trying to get to a windows xp computer on a domain and I keep getting access denied, I don't get any password prompt or anything? What am I doing wrong? Thanks.
[05:28] <Nonphasis> schvenk, perhaps dist-upgrade?
[05:28] <Nonphasis> dcrm-libra, perhaps you might ask #samba?
[05:28] <Nonphasis> dcrm-libra, or sth
[05:29] <schvenk> Nonphasis: is that equivalent to the update feature in synaptic package mgr?
[05:30] <schvenk> (btw, sorry for the extensive paste...was hoping it'd all come through in one post)
[05:30] <Nonphasis> schvenk, dunno about synaptic - it might just be able to make the deps in your system such that kde could install
[05:30] <Nonphasis> Nonphasis, or jus wait for the packages to unbreak
[05:32] <schvenk> nonphasis: oh, so it might be a server-side problem?
[05:32] <Nonphasis> schvenk, well, often it's because the dependencies are broken in the servers
[05:33] <Nonphasis> schvenk, waiting sorts such a situation out
[05:33] <schvenk> nonphasis: i see. was assuming it was a problem in my distribution
[05:33] <schvenk> nonphasis: thanks
[05:33] <Nonphasis> schvenk, in fact, I would wait until kde goes "official" in ubuntu
[05:34] <Nonphasis> schvenk, before thu official release, I would assume
[05:35] <brad[] > There any plans to include KDE in Ubuntu?
[05:35] <schvenk> nonphasis, out of curiosity when is that expected?
[05:36] <flokker> hi :)
[05:36] <AndyFitz> hi flokker
[05:37] <LeeC> What is the official standard package list for Ubuntu?
[05:37] <flokker> I'm just trying ubuntu.. great!
[05:37] <bigboy> yeah
[05:37] <Nonphasis> schvenk, dunno, but probably before the release
[05:38] <AndyFitz> just compiled the gimp 2.1.5 on ubuntu http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/gimp215.jpg  i had a play with a celery 400 running at 1280x1024  
[05:38] <AndyFitz> for a pixel perfect version replace jpg with png in the url
[05:38] <Nonphasis> schvenk, in the meantime, bear with the gnome. it's not too bad once you learn to use it ;-)
[05:38] <dieman> more bugs!
[05:39] <Nonphasis> schvenk, plus it's "official"
[05:39] <flokker> just litle problem browsing windows network :\ nautilus doesn't ask me login/pwd...
[05:39] <jdub> LeeC: our list of packages is generated from the Seed lists on the wiki
[05:39] <jdub> LeeC: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog -> look at the seed pages
[05:40] <trukulo> where can i write in wiki about #ubuntu-es ? channel in spanish about ubuntu
[05:40] <flokker> AndyFitz: great graphics works
[05:40] <jdub> trukulo: put it on the FAQ page for now
[05:40] <trukulo> where's the correct place?
[05:40] <trukulo> jdub: ok, thanks
[05:41] <trukulo> jdub: trukulo changed the topic of #ubuntu-es to: http://mercurio.homeip.net/blog/31/ <- info ||  < jdub> estoy buscando
[05:41] <trukulo>           mis pantalones
[05:41] <flokker> noone has an hint for that network prolem, please?
[05:41] <trukulo> lol
[05:41] <jdub> haha ;)
[05:42] <jdub> flokker: not sure why not
[05:42] <flokker> jdub :)
[05:43] <LeeC> jdub: is there a text file somewhere with only these seed lists? (something I could feed 'dpkg -set-selections')
[05:43] <jdub> LeeC: best thing to do is:
[05:43] <jdub> aptitude install "~tubuntu-desktop"
[05:43] <schvenk> nonphasis, fair enough, thanks :-)
[05:47] <trukulo> spanish irc channel added in faq (wiki)
[05:48] <flokker> jdub: I tryed install ubunt o 2 diferent PC.. same problem: first boot I can wiew windows network & workgroup's pc but if I try to access shares it kick me off without asking any password and let me know that I've not enought permissions :(
[05:48] <LeeC> jdub: apt-get is complaining of a conflicted dependency of libc6-2.3.2.ds1-16 being installed instead of libc6-2.3.2.ds1-13ubuntu2
[05:48] <LeeC> uninstalling libc is a bad thing, right?
[05:49] <tseng> LeeC: er... yes
[05:49] <trukulo> flokker: try accessing with this smb://user:pass@host
[05:49] <schweeb> what apt source did you just add, is the question
[05:49] <schweeb> sid, possibly?
[05:49] <schweeb> because you definitely added a non-ubuntu apt source
[05:50] <flokker> trukulo: thanks, just trying
[05:52] <jdub> LeeC: have you added debian sources?
[05:53] <flokker> trukulo: "not enough permissions to list..."
[05:53] <trukulo> same error as before?
[05:53] <flokker> trukulo: yes
[05:53] <trukulo> flokker: so try editing /etc/samba/smb.conf
[05:54] <tvon|X31> Did type-ahead find go away in Firefox pr1?
[05:54] <flokker> trukulo: hownever  I can mount shares via console without problems
[05:54] <trukulo> flokker: umm, so i don't know :(
[05:55] <flokker> trukulo: what part of smb.conf?
[05:55] <trukulo> flokker: if you can access via termina, i don't know
[05:55] <schweeb> tvon|X31: it's a bit messed up... in the advanced setings, turn on type ahead find
[05:55] <schweeb> but the behavior is still different
[05:55] <LeeC> jdub: I installed a debian base system and I'm now trying to upgrade to ubuntu
[05:55] <Scognito> hi all
[05:56] <trukulo> LeeC: sarge?
[05:56] <LeeC> trukulo: yes
[05:56] <jdub> LeeC: you're better off using the ubuntu install...
[05:56] <jdub> LeeC: doing it that way won't give you the best experience
[05:56] <trukulo> so if you want to take the risk... say yes to all
[05:57] <trukulo> but it's a high risk
[05:57] <LeeC> jdub: yes, but each time I've tried the install has failed.  How do I verify that the CD has burned properly?
[05:57] <Scognito> i'm downloading the iso, but i have a question:
[05:57] <tvon|X31> LeeC: burn another :)
[05:58] <flokker> trukulo: I just reinstall and now I cannot find smbmount anymore.. I should installa an additional package last night ;P
[05:58] <Scognito> is ubuntu optimized only for i386? I use p3
[05:58] <jdub> LeeC: md5sum it :)
[05:58] <jono> jdub, what time is there?
[05:58] <jdub> Scognito: it uses i486 instructions, tuned for p4/k7
[05:58] <LeeC> I've checksummed the iso, when I try to checksum /dev/scd0 I get an error
[05:58] <jdub> jono: 0200
[05:58] <jono> jdub, ahhh right
[05:59] <Scognito> ok tnx
[05:59] <schweeb> LeeC: scd0 is for SCSI or IDE-SCSI
[05:59] <LeeC> scd0 is a SCSI drive on firewire
[05:59] <schweeb> okay
[05:59] <schweeb> what's the error then
[06:00] <LeeC> Uh, I think it was a "read data
[06:00] <LeeC> error, and then the drive went offline
[06:01] <LeeC> I'll try to copy the disk image back off the CD and then check that against the original ISO
[06:04] <flokker> trukulo: hownever  I think that mounting a share is quite different from browsing it..
[06:04] <Lowe> I can't open rar's and i installed unrar
[06:05] <schweeb> unrar is shit
[06:06] <schweeb> rar supports more rars
[06:07] <LeeC> Aha!  Reading the CD with dd generates a sense key Medium Error.  That's worse than an Easy Error.
[06:07] <LeeC> I knew these CDs were crap.
[06:08] <flokker> trukulo: news: launching nautilus from terminal with smb://... param I get: (nautilus:20757): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[06:08] <flokker> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[06:11] <Lowe> that's because your launching it as root
[06:12] <flokker> Lowe: no, the main user.. without sudo
[06:12] <Lowe> hmm
[06:12] <flokker> Lowe: youre right.. I'm idiot :)
[06:13] <toyowheelin> woah where is everyone
[06:13] <flokker> Lowe: just trtied again with standard user: no terminal error.. just nautilus popup error about permissions :(
[06:14] <toyowheelin> anyone here know much about grub?
[06:16] <cardador> flokker: i got the same
[06:18] <toyowheelin> after I loaded ubunto onto my system my windows boot loader is nolonger there, with mandrake it used lilo and it had an option to load "windows" which would than take me to my windows bootloader
[06:18] <toyowheelin> that dosent happen now
[06:19] <noxfu> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/
[06:19] <flokker> toyowheelin: are you sure to have not wiped out the hd during ubunt setup?
[06:19] <toyowheelin> :/
[06:20] <toyowheelin> yes I did custom disk partitioning or whatever and I put ubuntu where mandrake was
[06:20] <flokker> well, you data is still there then ;)
[06:23] <toyowheelin> I dont understand why grub didnt see windows and just add it
[06:24] <flokker> toyowheelin: have you tried to manually edit grub conf file?
[06:24] <toyowheelin> I dont know how lol
[06:24] <noxfu> toyowheelin: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/
[06:24] <toyowheelin> I am at school ATM tring to ssh to home
[06:25] <toyowheelin> dont remember if I installed sshd or not
[06:25] <noxfu> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Loading%20an%20operating%20system%20directly
[06:25] <schweeb> grub doesn't do the config
[06:25] <schweeb> people's grub scripts do the config
[06:25] <toyowheelin> oh
[06:25] <flokker> toyowheelin: mount /boot, *backup* actual grub config file and try to edit it following grub manual
[06:25] <schweeb> use update-grub
[06:25] <toyowheelin> k
[06:25] <schweeb> and then uncomment the windows section, if it doesn't add one
[06:25] <schweeb> and modify appropriately
[06:26] <toyowheelin> k
[06:26] <toyowheelin> well IF I can get a ssh session going ill do that in a sec
[06:27] <flokker> toyowheelin: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1532
[06:27] <flokker> (i was searching for other bug but.. :) )
[06:27] <toyowheelin> :)
[06:27] <kagou> hi guys
[06:30] <chapeaurouge> question... i always disliked debian, bc it was not bleeding edge enough with apt-get... can i like ubuntu?
[06:31] <toyowheelin> well thats not good....
[06:31] <noxfu> chapeaurouge: You are uninformed.
[06:31] <chapeaurouge> noxfu, possibly.
[06:31] <chapeaurouge> im on slackware current right now.
[06:31] <noxfu> chapeaurouge: Debian is bleeding edge if you wish it.  That's what sid (unstable) is for.
[06:31] <toyowheelin> that guy is saying it "breaks" the mbr and wont let you boot windows
[06:31] <chapeaurouge> unstable.. hehe.. too old for me
[06:31] <noxfu> chapeaurouge: Then build it all from source?
[06:31] <chapeaurouge> testing maybe?
[06:31] <flokker> toyowheelin: not good at all
[06:32] <noxfu> chapeaurouge: testing isn't as bleeding edge as unstable.
[06:32] <chapeaurouge> noxfu, i do build from CVS on occasion
[06:32] <chapeaurouge> noxfu, ok.
[06:32] <noxfu> chapeaurouge: Then keep doing that?  You're not really going to find any packages that are that bleeding edge...it takes time to build and test packages before they are released into the wild.
[06:32] <WW> This is probably simple, but could someone explain how to make a USB printer on one computer accessible to another computer (using CUPS)?
[06:33] <WW> The computer are connected via a DSL Router
[06:33] <toyowheelin> alright well I will be back in a little while...
[06:33] <chapeaurouge> Are there lots of 3rd party sites that provide deb pkgs that are the latest version of a particular software?
[06:33] <toyowheelin> thanks for the info
[06:33] <Lowe> anyone know a good sfv checker?
[06:33] <noxfu> chapeaurouge: You can use unofficial sources.
[06:34] <flokker> WW: you have to know pc's ip and printer name, username & pwd
[06:34] <flokker> WW: the add printer "wizard" will help you step by step
[06:34] <chapeaurouge> im very unfamiliar with apt-get... would compiling from source lose apt-get, if i then later want to upgrade that software via apt-get? can make apt-get aware than I just installed something from source?
[06:36] <chapeaurouge> if you have a link to some explanation, it is good too. Don't want to waste you guys time.
[06:36] <krischan> people, I need help: I'm not able to access a FAT partition I've mounted. My fstab contains the following line "/dev/hdd5 /fat vfat rw,users,umask=111 0 0", then I "mount /fat", but when I try to cd into /fat it says I'm not permitted. Why?
[06:36] <WW> flokker: Dumb question: in the wizard, is the URI just the ip address (e.g. 192.168.1.100) of the computer that has the printer, or does it need more information there?
[06:38] <flokker> WW: ah.. you have to use CUPS? I test remote usb printer only via SMB...
[06:38] <chapeaurouge> nevertheless, i will try ubuntu... this seems to be very good.. i like the philosophy of "less is more", just like slack. no bloat.
[06:38] <chapeaurouge> thanks
[06:39] <flokker> WW: I use CUPS just for a network printer and the URI was something like http://ip:port/printer_name
[06:39] <noxfu> chapeaurouge: No, you won't be able to upgrade software that you compiled from source via apt.
[06:40] <chapeaurouge> noxfu, ok.
[06:41] <topyli> noxfu: you can make .debs of everything, and apt will know about them :)
[06:41] <WW> flokker:  Yeah, I thought there might be more needed for the URI.  Still not sure, though.
[06:42] <krischan> chapeaurouge, I'm not an expert either, but AFAIK you can't compile/install something from source and then later _upgrade_ it - because the apt-get database is unaware that the installed software exists. BUT: there is a nice little tool called "checkinstall" (goto Google) it redirects "make install" into a package, and then you can install that package with usual measures.
[06:42] <noxfu> topyli: Yes, yes you can.....but that's not the quick easy answer that he was looking for.  :o)
[06:42] <chapeaurouge> krischan, yes, I was aware that it worked on slackware... so on DEbian too? nice.
[06:42] <seb128> hey ploum 
[06:42] <ploum> lu
[06:44] <WW> flokker: Do you know if setting have to be changed on the computer that has the printer, in order for another computer to access it?
[06:45] <flokker> WW: what os run on that pc?
[06:45] <WW> i.e. is cupsd.conf configured to allow access from the local network?
[06:46] <WW> The printer is attached to ubuntu; the other computer has libranet.
[06:46] <flokker> WW: you have to configure smb.conf on printer pc
[06:48] <schweeb> ubuntu should pretty much already be set up to serve printers from cups through samba
[06:50] <schweeb> use CUPS then
[06:50] <WW> schweeb: How do I tell the client where the printer is? 
[06:50] <schweeb> you'll have to allow remote access to CUPS from your client
[06:51] <schweeb> you can use printer adverisement through SLP, but you'll have to read the cups adverisement through that
[06:52] <WW> schweeb: "adverisement"?  SLP?
[06:54] <krischan> does anybody has suggestions regarding my mount problem decribed above?
[06:54] <srbaker> grrrr.
[06:54] <schweeb> you'll have to do some reading, WW 
[06:54] <schweeb> cups.org
[06:55] <WW> schweeb: Yup, I'm doing that now!
[06:56] <fragg> krischan 
[06:56] <WW> schweeb: But, while I have your attention, in the end will is involve just editing cupsd.conf on the client, or is there more?
[06:56] <WW> s/is involve/it involve/
[06:56] <schweeb> you'll probably have to do a bit of editing on both sides, yes
[06:57] <WW> schweeb: OK, thanks.
[06:57] <schweeb> I've never really messed with the printer advertisement stuff... I run a domain
[06:57] <fragg> with that umask you don't apply ejecution permission to /fat
[06:57] <fragg> so you are not able to open it
[06:58] <fragg> your umask sholud be 222
[06:58] <fragg> for example to have read and ejecution permission
[06:58] <fragg> i think that
[06:59] <srbaker> is hdparm on the ubuntu install disk?
[06:59] <srbaker> so i can run it before it starts copying stuff to the drive?
[07:00] <schweeb> do you need to force DMA on or something?
[07:01] <schweeb> cause the kernel is usually pretty good at determining if you should use DMA
[07:01] <krischan> fragg, you brought it to the point! Thank you very much!
[07:02] <srbaker> schweeb, well, i don't know.  i'm trying to figure out what the problem is
[07:02] <fragg> ok
[07:02] <fragg> great
[07:02] <krischan> fragg, then I bother you with the next question: who needs to have execution privileges, only root? Or also Group and Others? I'll try if umask=011 is gonna work to.
[07:03] <srbaker> there's a long wait between each of the screens that doesn't exist in sarge.
[07:03] <srbaker> and hardware detection takes a long time
[07:03] <schweeb> you need execution privs on the directories to cd into them
[07:03] <Se7h> haum...
[07:03] <Se7h> Can't find file for package 'WinDrv'
[07:03] <Se7h> how can i fix this ?
[07:03] <fragg> mmm
[07:03] <fragg> let me think about it
[07:04] <krischan> It works. Obviously execution privilege for root is the crucial point.
[07:05] <srbaker> hdparm reports the same settings in both sarge and ubuntu
[07:05] <srbaker> but ubuntu is *really* *really* slow
[07:05] <jdub> srbaker: what kind of machine?
[07:05] <jdub> srbaker: pipka had the same problem
[07:05] <srbaker> jdub, toshiba tecra 8100, p3-750, 128M
[07:05] <jdub> aha
[07:05] <jdub> interesting
[07:05] <jdub> she has a satellite
[07:05] <srbaker> jdub, oh?  what's pipka using?
[07:05] <srbaker> excellent.   that narrows it down
[07:05] <srbaker> the satellite is just a more expensive tecra :)
[07:05] <jdub> might be related to acpi/apm support?
[07:06] <srbaker> maybe
[07:06] <schweeb> definitely sounds like a DMA issue
[07:07] <srbaker> jdub, would loading the acpi/apm moduels help by any chance?
[07:07] <srbaker> schweeb, same DMA settings on both setups
[07:07] <schweeb> what kernel do you use in sarge?
[07:07] <srbaker> i always install with linux26
[07:07] <srbaker> so 2.6.8
[07:07] <schweeb> well
[07:07] <jdub> schweeb: don't think it's DMA, it's the entire system, not I/O
[07:07] <schweeb> whatever's on the install CD
[07:07] <schweeb> unless you upgrade
[07:08] <schweeb> think RC1 has like 2.6.4 or something
[07:08] <srbaker> jdub, i think i may have to do FC2 for a few days.
[07:08] <srbaker> jdub, but on sunday/monday, i can do a few more tests.
[07:08] <jdub> srbaker: cool, thanks
[07:08] <jdub> srbaker: i have to steal pipka's machine some time and have a poke, too
[07:08] <srbaker> jdthood, oh, there's an option in kernel config "Toshiba Laptop Support".
[07:08] <srbaker> i think that's enabled in sarge, it may not be enabled in ubuntu
[07:08] <fragg> krischan 
[07:09] <srbaker> i'll switch kernels and build myself a new ubuntu disk  and test that for oyu
[07:09] <jdub> srbaker: modprobe toshiba :)
[07:09] <fragg> it's de crucial poinr as you say
[07:09] <srbaker> well, for me.  so you don't have to :P
[07:09] <srbaker> jdub, did pipka try that?
[07:09] <jdub> srbaker: it was already loaded, from what i remember
[07:09] <schweeb> or it could be the laptop_mode support
[07:09] <srbaker> ooh
[07:09] <srbaker> oh, i had to use the vga=771 for the slow-scrolling text, too
[07:10] <fragg> because when you mount de device, mount point's owner is root b
[07:10] <fragg> because when you mount de device, mount point's owner is root 
[07:10] <fragg> mmm
[07:11] <srbaker> jdub, installation was a breeze, tho.  excellent work.  installed over wifi, too
[07:11] <schweeb> srbaker: try laptop-mode stop possibly?
[07:12] <fragg> but it doesn't matter
[07:13] <fragg> you have to put the correct value in the umask depending on which user you want the privileges
[07:13] <srbaker> okay.  so i install FC2 until my weekend (sun/mon)
[07:14] <srbaker> jdub, i just checked my ubuntu install.  toshiba module was nowhere to be found (i did find . |grep -i tosh), and the same in dmesg returned nothing
[07:14] <jdub> hrm
[07:14] <jdub> cat /proc/misc ?
[07:15] <srbaker> jdub, too late :(
[07:15] <srbaker> jdub, i have to get this running emacs in time for school in two hours.  it's got a clean harddrive :P
[07:15] <jdub> :)
[07:16] <srbaker> jdub, are you using emacs for gnome development?
[07:16] <jdub> srbaker: no need, i don't embarrass anyone with my code. i just help the real coders. :-)
[07:17] <srbaker> haha
[07:17] <Mithrandir> srbaker: the toshiba support is definitely enabled in ubuntu
[07:17] <srbaker> Mithrandir, oh, i couldn't find any evidence of that in dmesg
[07:17] <Mithrandir> srbaker: my gf has a toshiba satelite something
[07:17] <jdub> Mithrandir: does it run like poo?
[07:17] <Mithrandir> jdub: nope, runs well
[07:18] <jdub> hmm
[07:18] <srbaker> Mithrandir, you installed ubuntu on it?
[07:18] <srbaker> Mithrandir, no extra boot options?
[07:18] <Mithrandir> srbaker: no, she installed ubuntu on it; I don't think she's added anything
[07:18] <srbaker> hrm
[07:19] <Mithrandir> srbaker: but it's a 2GHz celeron thingy
[07:20] <srbaker> Mithrandir, oh.  mine's a p3
[07:20] <Mithrandir> 256MB ram
[07:20] <srbaker> and mine's only 128M.  i'm going to try and get 256M for it
[07:20] <Mithrandir> and tosh_acpi is loaded by default
[07:22] <srbaker> hrm.  it didn't load it here.  and i couldn't find it
[07:22] <srbaker> wonder if that will help
[07:22] <flokker> jsut a quick question about Nautilus: why it open always a new window when I browse subfolders?
[07:22] <Mithrandir> what kernel image did you get?
[07:23] <srbaker> Mithrandir, i just downloaded the ubuntu install cd
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> flokker,  thats a design 'feature'
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> flokker,  and i hate it. :P
[07:23] <srbaker> Mithrandir, i'm talking about installation.
[07:23] <Mithrandir> flokker: it's called spatial mode; you can turn it off using gconf-editor, but you should try it for a while and see if you get used to it.
[07:23] <srbaker> installation took THREE HOURS.
[07:23] <Mithrandir> srbaker: yeah, you said.
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> flokker,  there is that 'explore' mode/icon at the top that dosent do that.
[07:23] <Mithrandir> srbaker: it did not for my gf, or she would have killed me. :)
[07:23] <srbaker> Mithrandir, but i'm booting my warty cd again.  trying to see if i can find this tosh_acpi module
[07:24] <srbaker> Mithrandir, where do i find that module on the install cd?  i can't find it
[07:24] <Mithrandir> it's inside some udeb.
[07:24] <srbaker> oh
[07:24] <srbaker> suck
[07:24] <Mithrandir> srbaker: it sounds like you have some fucked hdparm settings, if you use expert mode, I think it will ask you about those.
[07:24] <srbaker> know which one?
[07:24] <srbaker> hrm
[07:25] <srbaker> Mithrandir, but it's the same settings when i install sarge, and no such trouble
[07:25] <Mithrandir> srbaker: that's so weird.. I wonder if there's something weird going on wrt kernel versions and default settings that have changed.
[07:25] <srbaker> i did hdparm -i on this running sarge
[07:25] <srbaker> and then in ubuntu
[07:26] <chapeaurouge> i think that gnome 2.8 in not in unstable yet, is it?
[07:26] <chutwig> in debian?
[07:26] <chutwig> it's still in experimental
[07:26] <chapeaurouge> so can we expect ubuntu to be on the ball like that all the time?
[07:26] <chapeaurouge> chutwig, ok.
[07:26] <chutwig> they expect to move it to unstable after sarge is stabilized
[07:27] <Mithrandir> srbaker: .. and?
[07:27] <srbaker> Mithrandir, the hdparm -i output was identical
[07:27] <flokker> Dr_Willis, Mithrandir: thanks :)
[07:29] <chapeaurouge> i mean, when i see that gnome 2.6 entered unstable only in september, that what makes me think twice about Debian.
[07:29] <flokker> Dr_Willis: "flokker,  there is that 'explore' mode/icon at the top that dosent do that." <- I cannot find that
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> flokker,  its been at the top bar of every gnome ive used in the last 3 months.
[07:30] <srbaker> Mithrandir, i'm in expert mode, it's loading udebs now
[07:30] <Dr_Willis> pops up a little file explorer/browser thing thats totally different from the ones ya get from clicking on the HOME icon
[07:30] <flokker> Dr_Willis: that's the problem! [tm] ... I've not a top bar!
[07:31] <truk-away> flokker: write gnome-panel in terminal
[07:31] <Dr_Willis> flokker,  thats in the config menus or it crashed :P heh 
[07:31] <Dr_Willis> to enable it
[07:31] <srbaker> Mithrandir, still can't find this tosh module
[07:31] <chapeaurouge> Olivier_54, Meurthe & Moselle? that'd be funny...
[07:31] <flokker> Dr_Willis: it's say that there is yet a open panel..
[07:32] <truk-away> flokker: killall gnome-panel
[07:32] <truk-away> and log in again
[07:33] <Dr_Willis> reboot :P oh wait this isent #windows
[07:33] <Dr_Willis> :P
[07:33] <flokker> haha :))
[07:34] <flokker> arg.. no way
[07:36] <Mithrandir> srbaker: it should be there post-reboot, no idea if it's loaded during the install
[07:37] <srbaker> god, that sucks
[07:38] <srbaker> install is the worst part
[07:40] <flokker> truk-away: my desktop looks like that: http://osdir.com/screenshots/index.php?directory=gnome2.8&currentPic=16
[07:40] <Treenaks> wow! Flash plugin installation is _easy_ with this firefox PR1
[07:40] <flokker> no top bar, just menu
[07:42] <Chriffer> now that I upgraded firefox its starting to crash
[07:42] <thom> Chriffer: yep, known problem
[07:42] <thom> working on a fix
[07:43] <Chriffer> ohh so I shouldnt bother trying to upgade again yet
[07:44] <mdz> thom: any idea how I get emacs shortcuts back in firefox?
[07:44] <mdz> (he says, after ^W closes the @#$% window again)
[07:44] <thom> mdz: you need to twiddle gnome
[07:44] <Se7h> daammm
[07:44] <mdz> that is the worst choice of a keyboard shortcut EVER
[07:44] <Se7h> 54 new packaged
[07:44] <thom> mdz: it uses what you have set for gnome now
[07:44] <Se7h> 54 new packages
[07:45] <|trey|> Se7h: upgrade more option  ;)
[07:45] <schweeb> mdz: for me ^w closes each tab
[07:45] <schweeb> mdz: then the window
[07:45] <thom> mdz: (i have no idea how you do that, mind. jdub didn't know either)
[07:45] <Se7h> |;)
[07:45] <mdz> schweeb: that is the WORST
[07:45] <mdz> ^W has deleted backward one word since TIME BEGAN
[07:46] <schweeb> o_O
[07:46] <Kosai> Are the mozilla entry widgets GtkTextWidgets, then?
[07:46] <mdz> dunno
[07:46] <mdz> xchat does the same horrible thing
[07:46] <schweeb> most apps are switching to ^w or ^q to exit/kill windows
[07:46] <schweeb> I rather like it
[07:47] <|trey|> mdz: get busy with keyboard shutcuts... get them back the way you like...
[07:47] <schweeb> I've always used ctrl+backspace iirc to delete back one work
[07:47] <schweeb> depends on the app I suppose
[07:47] <truk-away> flokker: that's how it has to be
[07:47] <srbaker> ifound it unfortunate that synaptic wasn't part of the install.
[07:47] <truk-away> you have superior panel, where's the problem?
[07:47] <|trey|> schweeb: Emacs users are kinda hysterical about navigation keys  :/
[07:48] <schweeb> <3 vim
[07:48] <|trey|> 8-)
[07:48] <schweeb> :wq
[07:48] <schweeb> yyp
[07:48] <schweeb> etc...
[07:49] <thom> mdz: ah
[07:49] <thom> System Tools, configuration editor
[07:50] <thom>  /apps/desktop/gnome/interface ; set gtk-key-theme to "Emacs"
[07:50] <srbaker> gah.  vim suckage
[07:51] <minghua> thom: there is a UI in desktop preference -> keyboard shortcuts in debian
[07:51] <|trey|> emacs/vim wars are lame... always takes about an hour, and still only the folks that want Stallmans nuts continue to use it...
[07:51] <minghua> did ubuntu remove that menu?
[07:51] <thom> minghua: gone in 2.8 it seems
[07:51] <schweeb> no, it's there for me
[07:52] <|trey|> Emacs = over kill + bloat
[07:52] <minghua> thom: I see
[07:52] <tvon|X31> |trey|: lol
[07:52] <thom> schweeb: menu is there, option for keybindings aint
[07:52] <schweeb> Computer->Desktop Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts
[07:54] <Mithrandir> srbaker: what does hdparm on the cdrom look like?
[07:54] <Mithrandir> mdz: screen's choice of C-a clearly beats C-w to close windows.
[07:54] <thom> mdz: and yeah, that makes firefuck do the right thing
[07:54] <rokaef> hi, who knows how to get 3d with nvidia? installed are: nvidia-kernel, nvidia-glx and libopengl. when i choose as driver "nvidia" X doesn't start.
[07:54] <Mithrandir> mdz: at least for those of us who has been using macs since they came around
[07:54] <thom> should emacs keybindings happen to be the right thing :-)
[07:54] <siretart> is there a graphical frontend to edit /etc/fstab in ubuntu? not that I needed one, I'm just curious.
[07:55] <thom> siretart: does gvim count? (ie, no)
[07:55] <siretart> rokaef: is the kernel module "nvidia" loaded?
[07:55] <rokaef> how to find out?
[07:55] <rokaef> i think so..
[07:55] <siretart> rokaef: lsmod | grep nvidia
[07:55] <Qerub> siretart: gst provides one iirc
[07:56] <Qerub> siretart: gnome system tools that is, not gstreamer
[07:56] <thom> Qerub: which we turn off, i believe
[07:56] <|trey|> siretart: never really looked at fstab as something morons should be playing with  :(
[07:56] <Qerub> thom: oh, ok
[07:56] <rokaef> siretart: nvidia_agp 7772  1; agpgart 33704  1 nvidia_agp
[07:58] <rokaef> siretart: is that okay?
[07:58] <siretart> rokaef: this is okay. have a look at http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:58] <jmauricio> hi all
[07:58] <siretart> rokaef: that skript worked for me fine
[07:58] <jmauricio> i am looking for Mono
[07:58] <jmauricio> in powerpc
[07:58] <rokaef> siretart: okay, i look...
[07:59] <jmauricio> but without success
[07:59] <|trey|> jmauricio: umm, look in universal?
[07:59] <|trey|> not sure if its supported enough to be in main/restricted  :/
[07:59] <mdz> thom: thanks
[07:59] <mdz> thom: I'd been using ~/.gtkrc-2.0 for that, and it doesn't seem to work anymore
[08:00] <|trey|> thom: gnome dev?
[08:00] <jmauricio> |trey|: thank you, i will looking there
[08:00] <thom> |trey|: hope not, for their sake
[08:01] <|trey|> jmauricio: I know Debian has it upstream... should be in main... if not... add a debian repo WITHOUT main  :)  (universe + main = debian main)
[08:01] <|trey|> thom: oh, just saying cuz you said "we"  ;)
[08:02] <|trey|> Most devs say "we"  :)
[08:02] <thom> |trey|: i work for canonical :-)
[08:02] <jmauricio> |trey|: ok i will follow your instructions
[08:02] <siretart> Qerub: I just checked gnome-system-tools twice, it does not seem to have one. at least not with that package alone..
[08:02] <tseng> jdub: any proceedure yet from taking requests on UniverseCandidates and moving into universe?
[08:02] <Qerub> siretart: 19:56      thom > Qerub: which we turn off, i believe
[08:02] <|trey|> thom: ohhh... under what capacity?  dev or suit?  8-)
[08:02] <thom> dev. heh :-)
[08:02] <tseng> jdub: or anything i should add to speed the process up
[08:03] <|trey|> thom: yay... suits scare me  :(
[08:03] <thom> mdz: do we have any suits?
[08:03] <siretart> ah. ok. sry, overread that.
[08:03] <|trey|> thom: isn't Shuttlesomeshit a suit?
[08:04] <flokker> crash crash crash
[08:05] <flokker> no by ubuntu.. just shit hw :)
[08:05] <|trey|> Mark Shuttleworth not Shuttlesomeshit  :o
[08:05] <srbaker> jdub, so i decided to just wait out the ubuntu installation
[08:05] <srbaker> *sigh*
[08:06] <srbaker> jdub, it's just completing now.  about an hour later.
[08:06] <srbaker> actually, i lie.  78%
[08:06] <|trey|> srbaker: thats not bad for having EVERYTHING you need installed... usually about 20 mins getting Debian base installed... plus installing packages, just over an hour......
[08:07] <srbaker> |trey|, that's not everything.  that's just d-i.  it is terrible
[08:07] <lezard> Is Julien Olivier there (I don't know his pseudo) ?
[08:07] <rokaef> siretart: when i do "modprobe nvidia", i get: "FATAL: Module nvidia not found."
[08:07] <|trey|> jdub: please look at discover (in sid) over discover1... it's newer, and appears to detect 2.6 modules better  :)
[08:07] <rokaef> siretart: what is missing? how to install this module?
[08:07] <siretart> rokaef: check that you installed the package linux-restricted-modules with the right version of your running kernel
[08:08] <|trey|> srbaker: d-i is terrible? about 3 questions (for Ubuntu) is terrible? It's just not pretty, sorry if you didn't figure out you can get up and do something entertaining  :/
[08:08] <srbaker> |trey|, THE SPEED IS TERRIBLE!
[08:09] <srbaker> |trey|, :)  i love d-i
[08:09] <tseng> the speed?
[08:09] <tseng> it takes 20 minutes
[08:09] <srbaker> |trey|, but there's something wrong with toshiba lappy support.
[08:09] <|trey|> srbaker: same here... best installer around... and will get even more credit once it is pretty  :)
[08:09] <srbaker> tseng, no.  not on my toshiba tecra.  there's something wrong!  it takes almost 4hours from start to finish
[08:09] <thom> i have thunderbird and firefox building at the same time
[08:09] <|trey|> thom: *points at the TV*  8-)
[08:10] <tseng> mayhaps its using a generic ide driver?
[08:10] <|trey|> thom: :(  Firefox PR really didn't like my java plugin, kept crashing... it apparently decided to work right as I was going to file a bug though  :/
[08:10] <srbaker> nope
[08:10] <srbaker> piix
[08:11] <|trey|> srbaker: piix?
[08:11] <srbaker> yes.  tseng suggested it's using a generic ide driver
[08:11] <srbaker> it's nothing to do with ide or dma, as far as i can tell.
[08:11] <|trey|> ohhh... I just didn't know that was a module :o
[08:12] <rokaef> siretart: takes some time now..downloading
[08:12] <mdz> thom: works, thanks
[08:13] <mdz> now i just need to figure out how to get both the left and right ALT keys to do the _same thing_, dammit
[08:13] <|trey|> (One bug, "new folder" icon is kinda fucked... but I don't know enough to fix it  :(
[08:14] <mdz> my right alt key makes ISO_Level3_Shift
[08:14] <tseng> mdz: have you tested your mythtv stuff on ubuntu much?
[08:14] <|trey|> SOMEONE WORKING ON UBUNTU SHOULD GO TO www.planetnovell.org AND LOOK AT THE THEME  :)
[08:14] <thom> |trey|: dude, no need to shout
[08:14] <|trey|> Its a few days old now though... so it will be closer to the bottem  :(
[08:15] <|trey|> thom: pretty please  :)
[08:15] <mdz> tseng: I was just about to, actually
[08:15] <thom> we've seen it, we aren't screwing with themey stuff given how much else we have to do
[08:15] <thom> it'll be in hoary
[08:15] <mdz> tseng: I'm going to start distributing ubuntu packages for it
[08:15] <|trey|> thom: yay  :)
[08:15] <tseng> mdz: hm, missing a few deps in main universe
[08:16] <tseng> + mdz + marrilat
[08:16] <|trey|> thom: thing is, for me, the system at large works... so I get to play... one of the lucky things about using solely x86  :)
[08:16] <mdz> tseng: hmmm?
[08:16] <Qerub> truk-away: what themey stuff are you reffering to?
[08:16] <Qerub> |trey|: what themey stuff are you reffering to?
[08:16] <Qerub> truk-away: sorry
[08:17] <tseng>   mythtv-frontend: Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.3.0) but it is not going to be installed
[08:17] <tseng>                    Depends: libmyth-0.16 but it is not going to be installed
[08:17] <tseng>                    Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.3) but 3:3.2.3-4ubuntu1 is to be installed
[08:17] <|trey|> Qerub: Garret LeSage's Firefox Industrial theme  :)
[08:17] <tseng> the last one might be easy
[08:18] <tolo> Hi to all
[08:18] <|trey|> tseng: all in sid...
[08:19] <|trey|> tseng: could be added to universe for now  :)
[08:19] <tseng> ya
[08:22] <wido> is there a repository with kde3.3 packages for ubuntu?
[08:25] <chutwig> did you check universe?
[08:26] <chutwig> ah, i guess that's still 3.2.3
[08:27] <ElRaton> I wanted to notice you the brand new French channel, #ubuntu-fr, and wanted to know who I have to give the FOUNDER to. Is seb128 OK ?
[08:29] <WW> Still trying to make my printer available to another computer on my network...
[08:29] <WW> By adding Allow From 192.168.1.*, and BrowseAddress 192.168.1.* to cupsd.conf, the client can see the printer.
[08:29] <rokaef> siretart: thx! now it works!
[08:30] <WW> But when I print a test page from the client, it fails with error code 1286, and the message "is the printer paused".
[08:30] <WW> Any ideas?
[08:30] <siretart> rokaef: you're welcome :)
[08:31] <rokaef> where are all the .deb packages saved, when i do a update?
[08:31] <srbaker> jdub, so i reboot and modprobe toshiba, and it doesn't seem to get much quicker
[08:36] <srbaker> god damn.  i can't use a laptop that takes 6 minutes to boot
[08:37] <WW> Correction: I added BrowseAddress 192.168.1.255 to cupsd.conf
[08:37] <schweeb> man
[08:38] <schweeb> this backspace beign "back" in PR1.0 of FireFox is driving me insane
[08:38] <tseng> rokaef: /var/cache/apt/archives
[08:38] <tseng> rokaef: clean with apt-get clean or apt-get autoclean
[08:38] <rokaef> thx
[08:39] <tseng> ie just dont rm *
[08:41] <rokaef> there where only 300 mb, but the updates have been much more..
[08:42] <rokaef> but it worked.
[08:43] <chapeaurouge> is there a good link for some Ubuntu arts?
[08:43] <neuro_> no, i'm not *that* neuro
[08:44] <neighborlee> chapeaurouge, what kind of 'arts' are you talking about  ;-) ?
[08:45] <chapeaurouge> like backgrounds for example
[08:45] <neighborlee> chapeaurouge, oh ic...never checked so I dont know about that subject
[08:48] <cybrjackle|work> hello
[08:49] <cybrjackle|work> is there a good how to make .deb's out there?
[08:49] <cybrjackle|work> maybe debian doc's or something
[08:49] <cybrjackle|work> i was looking through http://www.debian.org/doc/ but haven't found it yet
[08:49] <thom> www.debian.org/devel/ iirc; see the new maintainers guide
[08:49] <Mithrandir> hmm, weird.
[08:50] <cybrjackle|work> thx
[08:50] <Mithrandir> if you have a vfat file system and a directory with just directories in it, nautilus says "permission denied" when trying to open the directory.
[08:51] <sladen> cybrjackle|work: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[08:51] <sladen> cybrjackle|work: or google for  debhelper
[08:51] <cybrjackle|work> thx
[08:51] <Nonphasis> how can i burn a cd w/ nautilus?
[08:52] <psi> open nautilus, choose locations in the menu and press cd-creator
[08:52] <psi> or if it's an iso you can just right click on it
[08:53] <Nonphasis> hmmm... locations?
[08:53] <Nonphasis> i just found it in help, burn:/// should work
[08:53] <psi> hm. that was translated from my language
[08:53] <Mitario> aloha
[08:54] <psi> yes. it is in the menu, though.
[08:54] <Nonphasis> ah, it's "places"
[08:55] <Nonphasis> been using k3b mostly, gotta try this nautilus thing as well
[08:55] <psi> k3b is vastly superior, but nautilus works for simple things
[08:58] <neighborlee> Nonphasis, you might also try say:  xcdroast or  even eclipit..I like those as well
[09:01] <punkass> hello all
[09:02] <Nonphasis> xcdroast sounds veeery old
[09:02] <Nonphasis> i remember trying it back in the day
[09:02] <punkass> got a wireless question.. sudo ifup wlan0 gives me: /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd.exe: line 49: .: filename argument required
[09:03] <punkass> .: usage: . filename
[09:03] <punkass> dhcpcd.exe: wrong interface name ""
[09:13] <chutwig> is ubuntu going to get anything like the debian services controller in gnome?
[09:13] <chutwig> or is that a generic package that i just don't have installed
[09:13] <tseng> chutwig: i think you are talking about part of gnome-system-tools
[09:13] <chutwig> ja
[09:14] <chutwig> seems to be missing from the ubuntu package
[09:14] <tseng> hm you are right.
[09:15] <dieman> bwhahaha
[09:15] <dieman> ive got an 8-way amd64 box coming soon
[09:15] <Mithrandir> dieman: fun, how much memory?
[09:15] <Mithrandir> dieman: and can you help me track down https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1545 then? :)
[09:17] <dieman> Mithrandir: 16 at least
[09:17] <dieman> im going for 32
[09:17] <dieman> though
[09:17] <dieman> (gb)
[09:17] <dieman> im 'only' up to 20k
[09:18] <chutwig> that's a lot of computer
[09:18] <dieman> i need to get up to 25k.
[09:18] <Mithrandir> dieman: ok, cool.  Please, please help me track down that problem.
[09:18] <Mithrandir> I'll buy you beer in Helsinki then. :P
[09:18] <dieman> heh, yikes
[09:18] <dieman> sure
[09:18] <dieman> i'll need to fix it to get the thing to boot :)
[09:19] <chutwig> he's going to get you drunk and take advantage of you in an alley behind the bar :o
[09:20] <dieman> heh
[09:21] <Mithrandir> chutwig: shhh!
[09:21] <dieman> its really cool
[09:21] <dieman> this new box
[09:21] <dieman> its just two iwill qk8s mobos tied together
[09:21] <dieman> too bad iwillhas like no info on their website
[09:22] <dieman> hmm 28 days lead time on the box tho, so it will be a month or so
[09:22] <punkass> got a wireless question.. sudo ifup wlan0 gives me: /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd.exe: line 49: .: filename argument required
[09:28] <Qerub> punkass: deja v
[09:28] <punkass> you have the same problem?
[09:29] <Qerub> no, you asked the same question two times.
[09:29] <punkass> oh yeah... im gettin a little frusterated :)
[09:29] <Qerub> have you tried running the dhcp client manually?
[09:29] <Qerub> just to try it? :)
[09:30] <punkass> yeah same error
[09:30] <Qerub> and you haven't changed anything to dhcpcd?
[09:30] <punkass> nope
[09:31] <dieman> Mithrandir: hmm, goswin claims that his 8gb test system works.
[09:31] <punkass> an a iwconfig gives me all the info for wlan0 but minus an IP
[09:31] <dieman> Mithrandir: wacky
[09:31] <dieman> Mithrandir: does the amd64 dist boot em64t boxes too?
[09:32] <Mithrandir> dieman: it should, yes.
[09:32] <Mithrandir> dieman: if not, it's a bug and should be fixed. :)
[09:32] <dieman> col
[09:32] <dieman> cool
[09:32] <dieman> ive got at least 5 of those coming in the next month.
[09:32] <Mithrandir> goodie :)
[09:32] <Qerub> punkass: have you got /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd-wlan0.info?
[09:33] <dieman> Mithrandir: do they transparently run 32 bit binaries?
[09:33] <Mithrandir> dieman: if you install ia32-libs, it should work for most stuff.
[09:33] <dieman> (if they are static, or have the availiable libs around)
[09:33] <dieman> ok
[09:33] <dieman> cool
[09:33] <dieman> i can't install it if they can't run matlab, etc. ;)
[09:33] <Mithrandir> dieman: and static should be fine, yes.
[09:33] <punkass> hehe..just reading the top of dhcpcd.exe...and just noticed that line
[09:33] <Mithrandir> dieman: amd64 can install and run OOo. :)
[09:34] <dieman> nice
[09:34] <punkass> Qerub: so no i dont have it
[09:34] <punkass> dont have it for eth0 either tho
[09:34] <punkass> but it still gets an IP
[09:35] <tseng> wth
[09:35] <tseng> greenday wears makeup now?
[09:35] <Qerub> polvi: does dhcpcd.exe abort after that?
[09:35] <Mithrandir> dieman: it's very non-native, but works fine with ia32-libs{,-openoffice.org}
[09:37] <whiprush> the ubuntu article on LWN is excellent
[09:38] <schweeb> whiprush: link? or is it in the subscribers only still
[09:38] <punkass> Qerub: do you know how i generate that file.. or the layout of it?
[09:38] <schweeb> subscribers only >_<
[09:38] <whiprush> yeah
[09:39] <Qerub> punkass: hmm. i haven't got it either :-)
[09:39] <Qerub> whiprush: would you mind a little copy and pasting? :>
[09:40] <whiprush> heh, I'm not gonna rip them off.
[09:40] <whiprush> besides, I paid 5 bucks for this. :)
[09:40] <neighborlee> LWN?
[09:41] <schweeb> Linux Weekly News
[09:42] <schweeb> god
[09:42] <schweeb> PDFs suck
[09:43] <chutwig> what's wrong with PDFs
[09:43] <punkass> ah i think i have to add other interfaces to the config file
[09:43] <schweeb> all PDF viewers are terrible, including Acrobat Reader
[09:43] <chutwig> preview works well for me
[09:44] <chutwig> except it doesn't support forms, at least not now
[09:44] <chutwig> maybe in 10.4
[09:44] <chutwig> it's also slow at line art
[09:44] <schweeb> well
[09:44] <schweeb> xpdf just sucks
[09:45] <schweeb> gpdf isn't working, doesn't appear to want to open the files
[09:45] <chutwig> does it say anything if you run it from a terminal?
[09:45] <schweeb> nope
[09:45] <chutwig> you might need some postscript support installed
[09:45] <schweeb> gpdf uses xpdf afaik
[09:45] <schweeb> and xpdf works
[09:46] <schweeb> and there are only depends, no suggests or recommenda
[09:46] <schweeb> recommends
[09:46] <chutwig> weird
[09:46] <chutwig> i installed gpdf and it works for me, no fussing
[09:47] <schweeb> tryin to read this dop on samba4, and it's driving me nuts
[09:53] <peteog> anyone else have a problem with Firefox where they cant add themes or engines? installing industrial - the box comes up but nothing seems to happen
[09:54] <punkass> goin crazy :)
[09:59] <punkass> anyone use laptop-net
[10:02] <Mithrandir> Mirno: please turn off public away.
[10:02] <Mirno> Mithrandir,   Sorry for the incoviniance.
[10:03] <Mithrandir> Mirno: thanks. :)
[10:03] <Mirno> Mitario,   done
[10:03] <Mitario> Mirno, ?
[10:03] <Mirno> Mitario,   miss tab
[10:04] <Mitario> k :)
[10:09] <pete> :( this is silly. Clean ubuntu install, the install dloaded firefox 1 and I cant add, engines, themes or extensions. 
[10:09] <pete> any one else having issues?
[10:09] <thom> yes, it's broken right now
[10:09] <pete> ah
[10:09] <pete> :)
[10:10] <dieman> haha
[10:10] <thom> i have an upload that fixes the extensions stuff, but which leaves find knackered which i'm testing right now
[10:10] <dieman> only $4,900 to add 16 gb to this amd64 box we are getting
[10:10] <dieman> so $25k for a 8proc 846 box with 32gb of memory
[10:10] <dieman> yum
[10:11] <thom> dieman: all this just to play doom3? ;-)
[10:11] <dieman> yes!
[10:11] <dieman> no, rather
[10:11] <dieman> its for a class on parallel processing
[10:11] <dieman> they wanted a huge box instead of using mpi.
[10:12] <dieman> (or it might be to show how to do things on a shared memory platform)
[10:12] <dieman> most likely the latter, in addition :)
[10:13] <peteog> thom: cool 
[10:13] <Nonphasis> stupid q: why isn't /etc/profile honored?
[10:14] <Nonphasis> or where should i put "global" customization
[10:16] <fin> i can safely remove files in /var/cache/apt/archives  correct?
[10:17] <Nonphasis> nautilus bug: the directory with the name ~ doesn't appear in directory listing
[10:18] <Nonphasis> (eclipse was very very smart and created such a dir)
[10:18] <leorme> fin: yes. you can use apt-get clean.
[10:20] <fin> excellant, thank you
[10:20] <fin> im on a 4 gig drive, doh!
[10:20] <fin> lol
[10:20] <punkass> whats the easiest way to fire a wireless connection with WEP?
[10:22] <Dougall> hi
[10:31] <wasabi_> hey so, what's you guys' revenue plan?
[10:32] <fin> pimpin hoes
[10:33] <shim> "Linux source tree /usr/src/linux is incomplete or missing!"
[10:33] <shim> ;   ;
[10:36] <shim> *trying to install drivers for a linksys wifi card (PCMCIA)*
[10:36] <subterrific> shim: pretty sure there is a FAQ about that
[10:37] <shim> oh?
[10:37] <shim> *wanders off to look*
[10:41] <punkass> wlist wlan0 scan gives me Failed to read scan data: Operation not supported..... any thoughts?
[10:41] <lamont> evo question... how does one get URL's in email messages to behave as links?
[10:43] <neighborlee> lamont, hmm odd..pretty sure mine does default..lemme check
[10:43] <neighborlee> lamont, yes mine load mozilla for example when I click them
[10:44] <lamont> ok.  I'll go see what the wife is smoking then,,,
[10:45] <Dougall> all, anyone know if there are any tricks to installing the ati 3d drivers ?
[10:50] <lml> Are there somebody running MythTV on Ubuntu?
[10:50] <fin> is there a way to use the ck patches with the ubuntu kernel source, or must i download a vanilla kernel?
[10:51] <crimsun> you may have a difficult time patching
[10:51] <crimsun> i haven't tried, so i don't know
[10:51] <crimsun> best way is to try
[10:55] <neighborlee> hey all..anyone remember that --reconfigure line for apt-get for nvidia ?..I can'/t recall last part ;-))heh
[10:55] <neighborlee> or is it in a faq?
[10:55] <neighborlee> trying to help friend with path of least resistance <G>
[10:55] <theantix> yup, it's in the faq =)
[10:55] <neighborlee> okay thx
[10:56] <lml> Are there somebody running MythTV on Ubuntu?
[10:57] <neighborlee> theantix, i'm not finding it
[10:57] <crimsun> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:57] <neighborlee> lml, what is MythTV>.I guesss thats a no ;-)
[10:57] <mdz> neighborlee: ^^^
[10:57] <mdz> lml: I will be shortly
[10:58] <goatboy_> lml: I am.
[10:58] <lml> mdz: Do you know if there are packages available to ease the installation?
[10:58] <mdz> lml: there will be shortly :-)
[10:58] <neighborlee> mdz:crimsun: k thx ;-0
[10:58] <lml> mdz: How shortly ;-)
[10:58] <mdz> lml: I maintain the packages
[10:59] <lml> goatboy_: Did you compile from source?
[10:59] <lml> mdz: All packages or just MythTV?
[10:59] <mdz> lml: the mythtv packages for Debian
[10:59] <mdz> (and thus for ubuntu as well)
[11:00] <goatboy_> lml: I rebuilt mdz's packages.
[11:00] <lml> mdz: Ok and to my understanding it is not wise to use Debian packages under Ubuntu?
[11:00] <crimsun> i find it humorous that mozilla-firefox in sid is less recent than in ubuntu =)
[11:00] <mdz> lml: in general, no, but if there is anything available for Debian which is not available for Ubuntu, let us know and we will correct that
[11:01] <mdz> crimsun: get used to it :-)
[11:01] <crimsun> mdz :)
[11:01] <superted> how would one get java working in mozilla and mozilla based browsers like epi ?
[11:01] <theantix> mdz, how about the straw rss aggregator?  it's in debian unstable but not in ubuntu's universe
[11:02] <lml> mdz & goatboy_: What is the tasks to do a rebuild of the Debian packages? Or is it easier (for a novice) to do a complie from source.
[11:02] <Lowe> what version of apache should i install?
[11:03] <mdz> theantix: it is in universe
[11:03] <mdz> lml: I will be providing mythtv packages built for ubuntu, if you can be patient
[11:03] <theantix> mdz: ah, must be new then... I swear I checked a few days ago... apologies
[11:04] <lml> mdz: I am patient, just would like an estimate on the arival ;-)
[11:04] <mdz> lml: I estimate <24 hours
[11:05] <lml> mdz: Very nice, I will not start the installation until next week. Just doing preparations.
[11:05] <mdz> lml: no hurry, then
[11:05] <fin> hmmm
[11:05] <fin> this laptop says the max res for it is 1024x768
[11:06] <fin> but it looks all jagged, likes its streched :\
[11:06] <fin> any ideas on some things  i can try
[11:06] <tvon|X31> fin: do you know in fact what the LCD resolution is?
[11:06] <fin> the website says 1024x768
[11:06] <tvon|X31> not what X is using, what the LCD is made for
[11:06] <fin> so i set it to that.
[11:06] <lml> mdz: As part of my preparations I am a bit puzzled that neither TVTime or xawTV is to be found as a package.
[11:07] <mdz> lml: they are in universe
[11:07] <Dougall> can anyone offer any help with ati binary drivers ? I installed the drivers with apt-get, but the machine still seems to be using mesa gl
[11:07] <mdz> along with everything else from sid which is not officially supported
[11:08] <fin> hmm
[11:08] <lml> Oki, I will check again.
[11:08] <fin> i guess i'll just play with it
[11:08] <goatboy_> mdz: I don't suppose you'd be open to amd64 packages, would you? :)
[11:08] <lml> mdz: Thanx again.
[11:09] <mdz> goatboy_: absolutely
[11:09] <mdz> I intend to build it for amd64, but I don't have an amd64 with a capture card so I can't test the backend
[11:09] <goatboy_> mdz: I'm running your packages rebuilt for amd64.
[11:10] <goatboy_> seems to be working.
[11:10] <mdz> goatboy_: backend as well?
[11:10] <goatboy_> yep
[11:10] <mdz> very cool
[11:10] <mdz> I'll go aheda and publish amd64 packages for ubuntu, then
[11:10] <mdz> ahead
[11:11] <goatboy_> cool, thanks.
[11:11] <theantix> can someone else check to see if straw is in universe?  mdz says its there, but I can't see it anywhere -- I need to know if I'm going crazy or what, "apt-cache search straw" returns no results
[11:12] <lamont> theantix: src is there...
[11:12] <mdz> theantix: the source is there; it is possible that it failed to build
[11:12] <lamont> i386 ftbfs
[11:12] <lamont> running build_desktop
[11:12] <lamont> intltool-merge does not exist in your PATH. Make sure it exists in your PATH..
[11:13] <theantix> okay thanks... it failed to build for me too.  no worries.
[11:13] <lamont> mdz/theantix: if a bug shows up to remind me, I'll add the missing build-dep
[11:14] <fin> ok, it was in 800x600 for some reason, i think cause its 24bit mode and this is an older pc.  ima move it over to 16 and try
[11:14] <fin> need to get my external mouse working as well, i hate touch pads!
[11:18] <theantix> lamont, pardon my ignorance, but I'm not sure what component to file the bug under :-/
[11:18] <siretart> is qt 3.3.2 somewhere available for ubuntu?
[11:18] <leorme> if i put something in the trashcan, it says that has nothing inside. it's a known bug?
[11:18] <siretart> or what is the correct way for asking for newer packages? bugzilla oder mailinglist?
[11:20] <lamont> theantix: either 'straw', or 'UNKNOWN' (if straw not found)
[11:20] <chapeaurouge> where is the init for console multi-user?
[11:20] <lamont> component is source package.  sadly (or happily, dunno some days) not all source packages are there.
[11:23] <punkass> anyone here using ndiswrapper?
[11:23] <lamont> can anyone reproduce #1577 using util-linux_2.12-7ubuntu4?
[11:25] <Chriffer> All these wierd mouse problems need to be fixed the random doubleclicks and the inability to drag through the menus is really starting to annoy me
[11:25] <fin> on a laptop, whats the general /dev for a ps/2 mouse?
[11:25] <truk-away> dev/psaux
[11:25] <fin> im confused cause there is one for touch and for mouse, i would like to keep the touch pad, just in case, but i wanna use a ps/2 mouse if its plugged in at boot
[11:26] <fin> hmm, it has that,  but the mouse still no workied
[11:26] <jg_> fin: often /dev/input/mice is more what you want....
[11:26] <fin> have that as well
[11:26] <chapeaurouge> fin, i wrote a howto for that, specifically for synaptics touchpad
[11:26] <fin> the touchpad works, but not the mouse :(
[11:26] <fin> chap: link?
[11:26] <chapeaurouge> just a sec..
[11:26] <fin> thanks!
[11:27] <jg_> so ubuntu tells me there is no APM support in the kernel....  (I'm on a laptop).
[11:27] <chapeaurouge> http://www.madpenguin.org/cms/index.php?m=show&id=887
[11:27] <jg_> anyone have a clue what I should do?
[11:27] <truk-away> jg_: have you tried acpi?
[11:27] <chapeaurouge> look at the bootom to make both mouses work
[11:27] <jg_> truk-away: laptop too old for acpi.
[11:27] <chapeaurouge> EVERY RUNLEVEL HAS GDM start?!?!?
[11:27] <chapeaurouge> ARGH.
[11:27] <truk-away> jg_: ok
[11:28] <truk-away> chapeaurouge: runlevel 2 has gdm?
[11:28] <fin> thanks again chap: letcha know how it works :)
[11:28] <chapeaurouge> yes
[11:28] <cartman> whats the nickname of "Matt Zimmerman" ?
[11:28] <chapeaurouge> everyone of them
[11:28] <chapeaurouge> except 1 (for maintenance, fortunately!!)
[11:28] <schweeb> cartman: mdz
[11:28] <chapeaurouge> np fin
[11:28] <cartman> schweeb: cheers
[11:28] <chapeaurouge> runlevel 2 should be without gdm
[11:28] <schweeb> mdz rules.
[11:28] <truk-away> umm, that's bad, report that as a bug, if you think is wrong (i think is wrong)
[11:28] <cartman> mdz: ping?
[11:28] <chapeaurouge> truk-away, ok
[11:29] <cartman> brb
[11:30] <cartman> mdz: re-ping :)
[11:30] <mdz> cartman: yes?
[11:31] <cartman> mdz: ( I am not subscribed to ubuntu-devel so I tell here ) ntp.nasa.gov is open to public
[11:31] <cartman> + reliable
[11:33] <cartman> anyway laters
[11:45] <tvon|X31> poort cartman...everything he said I heard it in South Park Cartman's voice
[11:45] <theantix> heh
[11:46] <wm_eddie> http://www.planetbeagle.org/ anybody else not able to click on the links on the right?
[11:46] <wm_eddie> (In firefox)
[11:47] <wm_eddie> (The links section to be specific)
[11:47] <joebeastie> cant in safari
[11:47] <joebeastie> links and feed do not work
<a href="http://www.gnome.org/projects/beagle/">Beagle</a></li> .. yup
[11:49] <theantix> doesn't work in epiphany either
[11:49] <wm_eddie> interesting...
[11:51] <wm_eddie> might be a geko bug.. or whatever it is called.
[11:54] <housetier> some of those links work
[11:56] <tvon|X31> yeah
[11:56] <tvon|X31> but they all *should*
[11:57] <thom> i think someone's fried the markup
[11:58] <thom> first two work, past that nada
[11:58] <theantix> if you copy the sidebar html to a new document, all the links work -- very odd
[11:59] <tvon|X31> include the css?
[11:59] <tvon|X31> I figured it was some css margin/padding/overlap problem
[11:59] <socomm> Hello, anyone know why the xv video driver will not work with Mplayer and Totem?
[11:59] <theantix> nope, that might be it