pittiMorning jdbu12:07
pittiMorning jdub (sorry)12:07
seb128hey hey jdub :)12:08
lamontmorning pia12:08
lamontoh.  hi jdub12:08
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mdzthom: great, thanks12:12
mdzlamont: python=y, gnome/gtk=y12:13
mdzlamont: 'vim' should give you a vim with python scripting12:13
mdzlamont: 'gvim' should give you the GNOME gui12:13
elmoheh, mouse emulation on the XServes12:13
mdzelmo: can't we just give new users a pbbuttonsd.conf which works?12:13
jdubare we still fighting vim for sanity?12:13
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mdzjdub: no, I think we're in a comfy spot where we know what needs to be done and lamont is doing it12:14
lamontmdz: vim-python turns on gui=gtk2, vim-gnome says gui=gnome2...  just wondering which one to pick.12:14
mdzlamont: I assume gnome212:14
mdzthe one that vim-gnome uses is the right one12:14
npmccallummdz: do you have any objection to me changing the Conflicts to a Replaces in ubuntu-sounds (smoother upgrades)?12:14
lamontyou wanna test these before I upload, or just bitch afterwards?12:14
elmomdz: we can give them a reasonable default but not a default no one will want to change ever.. *shrug* not a big deal, I know it's late12:14
mdznpmccallum: yes, conflicts is more appropriate12:14
elmomdz: huh?  for file overwrites?12:15
pittimdz: https://chinstrap.warthogs.hbd.com/~pitti/utopia/ contains the latest dbus package (including patch needed for latest hal)12:15
jdubpitti: you saw libhal-storage12:15
mdzelmo: yes, replaces alone is hardly ever useful12:15
mdzall sorts of corner cases just break12:15
pittimdz: I will provide new hal and other packages tomorrow and announce them on the list12:16
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mdzand in this case, some not-so-corner ones12:16
pittijdub: no, I didn't12:16
elmomdz: err, I only know of one corner case, and it's a) very corner (i.e. rare) , b) it's clearly a dpkg bug12:16
elmomdz: like what?12:16
jdubpitti: posted to hal list, kinda interesting12:16
pittijdub: thanks for the hint12:16
mdzelmo: user installs ubuntu-sounds, it clashes with gnome-audio, so they remove gnome-audio, now ubuntu-sounds is fixed, then the user decides they want gnome-audio again and installs it12:17
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mdzdpkg bug?12:17
elmoit doesn't clash if you have the Replaces12:17
mdzelmo: you don't get to change history like that :-P12:18
mdzthe version in the archive an hour ago didn't have either12:18
elmoerr, but we're going to be fixing gnome-audio, right?12:18
mdzthe last time I tried it, if a package replaced some files in another, and then you removed/reinstalled the replaced package, it broke horribly12:18
MithrandirKamion: around?12:18
mdzelmo: no, they're meant to contain the same files, afaik12:18
mdzthey're alternatives12:18
elmothen why aren't they using alternatives? :-P12:19
elmobut anyway, blah12:19
Mithrandirmdz: 1659, would it be fine just to put it in modules?  AFAIK, you can't detect the rtc using hotplug12:19
mdzMithrandir: I think that's our only option for warty12:20
Mithrandirok, I'll add that comment and reassign to Kamion, then.12:20
lamontmdz: you want to see the postfix diff?  pb is I really need Kamion to drop it into a CD and see what it does...12:21
mdzlamont: yes12:23
mdzlamont: don't you have a local mirror?  you could make a CD from that12:23
lamontmdz: don't have the black magic make-me-a-cd scripts (well, not figured out anyway...)12:24
jdub"fix everything harder" ;-)12:24
lamontmdz: diff mailed12:24
lamontmdz: fwiw, I _KNOW_ it's sick and wrong.12:24
npmccallummdz: whats your call -- keep conflicts or use replaces or something else?12:24
elmonpmccallum: just ignore me, it's fine as is12:25
mdznpmccallum: just conflicts is fine12:26
lamontok. so how do I test that I got the neato new stuff in my vim?12:26
mdzConflicts: kdelibs3 (<< 4:3.0.0), kdelibs3-cups (<< 4:3.0.0), kontour (<< 1:1.3.0)12:26
Mithrandiris it just for me or is the new firefox completely busted when trying to access bugzilla?12:26
mdz^^^ bug resulting from using replaces without conflicts12:26
lamontmdz: vim test?12:27
Mithrandirit says (in a new, yellow window) <label value="&serverCertExpired.continue" flex="100%"/>12:28
mdzlamont: :python ...some stuff...12:28
MithrandirI think it doesn't like that bugzilla spits out malformed XML12:28
lamontmdz: ok,  btw, did we want perlinterp turned on too?12:29
mdzlamont: I don't think so; don't bother with it for now12:30
mdzpython and gnome are what matter12:30
lamontyou want that diff too?12:30
mdzI've almost choked down the last one12:30
elmojames@adare:~$ sudo su - 12:30
elmofstat: Value too large for defined data type12:30
Mithrandirelmo: arch?12:31
lamontelmo: I told you, ppc is bad.12:31
elmoMithrandir: powerpc12:31
Mithrandirelmo: sounds fun12:31
mdzlamont: why mv/cp/mv rather than cp/mv12:31
mdzcp -a12:32
mdzlamont: what happens to this if the postconf command fails?12:32
mdzlamont: http://www.vim.org/htmldoc/if_pyth.html12:32
mdzthere's some vim-python stuff to try12:33
jdubpolypaudio *rocks*12:33
npmccallumanyone around that can put a second set of eyes on the diff for my openoffice source package before I start building it?12:33
lamont    # newaliases chokes if hostname not set12:35
lamont    if [ -z "$(postconf -h myhostname||true)" ] ; then12:35
lamont        cp -a main.cf main.cf.dpkg.$$12:35
lamont        postconf -e 'myhostname=ubuntu' 12:35
lamont        newaliases12:35
lamont        mv main.cf.dpkg.$$ main.cf12:35
mdzlamont: is it not possible to say newaliases -o myhostname foo?12:35
lamontmdz: sadly, no.12:35
elmooh, can postfix create /etc/mailname? pwetty pwease12:35
mdzlamont: I won't say that it looks good, but it's ready to upload :-)12:36
lamontelmo: it does if it's not already there12:36
elmolamont: since when?12:36
lamontsince ever12:36
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elmolamont: didn't on the HP machines I installed with warty preview12:39
lamontelmo: it won't stomp on it if it already exists (unless you changed it), and always creates it if it has a hostname.  See aliases.db bug12:39
elmoaliases.db bug?12:39
lamontif the hostname does not have at least one '.' in it, then it won't create it. but bitches12:40
lamontaliases.db doesn't get built if the hostname is empty.  warty preview doesn't build aliases.db.12:40
lamontergo, hostname is null at the time postinst runs12:40
mdznpmccallum: looks fairly reasonable, though I'm not intimately familiar with ooo's build system12:40
mdznpmccallum: did you do a test build and make sure that the patches are applied correctly?12:40
lamontI suppose I could pre-depend netconfig, and just be done, eh?12:40
lamontabout 97KB more vim cruft.12:42
lamontand no gvim in the package... sigh12:43
npmccallummdz: I wanted someone to look it over before I start building12:44
npmccallummdz: Its like a 12 hour build12:44
mdznpmccallum: set up ccache first :-)12:44
npmccallummdz: ccache only helps after the first build :)12:44
mdznpmccallum: there should be a debian/rules target which applies all the patches, that'd be a good test12:45
npmccallummdz: I'm not familiar enough with OOo's build system to do it.  I'll build it to make sure, it will pretty much make me AWOL for the rest of the night though :)12:46
npmccallummdz: I'll still be around, but not with many free CPU cycles... actually, my disk will be the busy one12:47
mdznpmccallum: try it with nice -1912:49
mdznpmccallum: if it still cripples your machine, then maybe lamont can build it on a buildd for you12:49
npmccallummdz: nice -19 debuild ?12:51
mdznpmccallum: yes12:51
=== lamont thinks he understands where all the vim variants come from, but still ponders the base 'vim' package's origin
npmccallumis there a way to install all build deps at once?12:53
lamontthen cut/paste12:53
mjg59apt-get build-dep package12:53
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lamontotoh, apt-get build-dep uses Sources, and dpkg-checkbuilddeps uses debian/control12:54
jdublamont: you been to elmo skool!12:54
lamontand I've been changing build-deps lately..12:54
jdubpants off mjg59 12:54
MithrandirI had a nice script that took the output of dpkg-checkbuilddeps and stripped the versions off it.12:55
pittinight guys!12:55
mjg59PANTS OFF12:55
mjg59It's disgraceful. 4 pints of Adnam's Broadside down, and I feel fairly sober.12:55
Mithrandirmjg59: I should go bother you in Cambridge some day. :)  And drink beer.12:56
mjg59Mithrandir: That would be an excellent thing to do12:57
npmccallumthe ooo build has begun :)12:57
mjg59There's an obscene amount of beer in Cambridge. More of it needs drinking.12:57
azeemsame goes for Munich currently12:57
Mithrandirmjg59: I need to magic up a little bit of funds, I think, but I really enjoyed Oxford, so I figured I'll enjoy cambridge even more. :)12:59
mjg59azeem: But I have to walk less far to Cambridge :)01:00
Mithrandirwhy does bugzilla encode my IP or something in the cookie it sends me?01:03
elmoMithrandir: what was that file you had me alter on yellow to give you chroot indicatorness01:09
Mithrandir(please don't invent a /etc/ubuntu_chroot. :P)01:10
mdz/etc/chroot would have been sufficient :-P01:10
Mithrandirmdz: debian_chroot is already in the default bashrcs and such, though01:11
mdzlamont: did synaptic FTBFS?01:11
mdzor did it disappear?01:11
elmo^-- synaptic01:13
mdzmvo's fault01:18
jdubchristing puce01:18
jdub121 -users mails01:18
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elmomdz: can you confirm home.ubuntu.com works for you now, btw?01:19
mdzelmo: yep01:22
elmook - I'll close the bug since bugzilla isn't we're tracking admin fuckage atm - k?01:23
lamontmdz: is there an option to apt that'll tell it to just spew the URL's of what it whats to fetch?01:29
Mithrandirlamont: --print-uris01:29
lamontMithrandir: doesn't print uris when used with -s01:30
lamontof course, without -s.... :)01:31
Mithrandirlamont: it doesn't do anything anyway, if you use --print-uris, so why bother with -s?01:31
lamontyeah.   that's where I got to.01:35
Kamionlamont: yo01:40
KamionMithrandir: yo01:40
lamontKamion: is there any way I can make sure that postfix's postinst runs _after_ the hostname gets set, and not before?01:41
=== lamont is pondering an evil pre-depends...
MithrandirKamion: 1659, ok with you?01:42
Kamionlamont: it does, or certainly should01:42
Kamionlamont: I don't think there's anything more I can do ... if it isn't getting set, it isn't getting set01:42
Kamionlamont: netcfg hooks in before base-installer to set the hostname, which is before any packages get installed01:43
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MithrandirKamion: and if you have any suggestion on 1669, I'd be happy. :)01:43
lamontactually, if hostname is not an fqdn (contains no '.'s), then all would still make sense01:43
lamontpostfix's config gets run before netcfg, yes?01:44
Kamionlamont: nope01:45
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Kamionlamont: nothing of postfix gets run before netcfg sets the hostname, as far as I know01:45
KamionMithrandir: just looking, one sec01:46
lamontbut said hostname does not include a domain, correct?01:46
KamionMithrandir: #1659 fine by me (I'd noticed the bug too), if you're happy to wait 'til I get back from Oldenburg I'll fix it then01:47
KamionMithrandir: #1669, maybe missing discover1-data entries for the USB controller?01:47
=== lamont dist-upgrades. sigh
Kamionlamont: not guaranteed, I don't think ...01:48
lamontthat could just about explain things.01:48
MithrandirKamion: possibly, yes.. I could ask for more info from submitter.01:49
KamionMithrandir: ask for lspci and lspci -n output, that's the standard01:50
KamionMithrandir: if they don't have a Linux installation on the same machine, the output of 'cut -f1,2 /proc/bus/pci/devices' on tty2 in the installer is generally transcribable with only a moderate amount of patience01:50
Mithrandirseems like he got warty working, so01:51
lamontvim happiness.  mdz: you wanna see it first?02:02
lamontbut first a reboot to make the machine state sane.  brbn02:03
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mdzlamont: sure02:07
mdzI'll give it a whirl02:07
Mithrandirlamont: is mozilla-firefox in the queue on amd64?02:08
mdzelmo: what's the right way for me to sponsor warty uploads so that somebody besides you gets the accept/reject messages?02:09
mdzelmo: buildpackage -m?02:09
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Mithrandirlamont: ignore me02:09
lamontMithrandir: ok02:10
lamontmdz: you want a diff, or a couple .debs?02:10
lamontor both?02:11
mdzlamont: diff is fine02:11
mdzdebs are nice too02:11
Kamiondamnit, somebody needs to port valgrind to powerpc02:11
MithrandirKamion: and to amd64.02:12
Kamionforget about bounties from Mark, *I'd* pay money for a valgrind/powerpc port02:12
KamionMithrandir: at least on amd64 you can probably run it in 32-bit mode02:12
lamont4 files, 4595 bytes of diff02:12
Kamionqemu valgrind doesn't appeal02:12
jdubthat'd rock02:12
lamontmdz: diff sent,building final and clean .debs now02:12
jdubis there a thingy02:14
jdubto check that every file under debian/tmp is in a package?02:14
jdubjust as a handyhelpertool02:14
Mithrandirjdub: dh_install with --fail-missing?02:14
MithrandirKamion: doesn't catch sizeof(int) != sizeof(void*) errors, which are by far the most common on amd6402:15
jdubMithrandir: does that make sense with a multibinary package?02:15
lamontmdz: 15 minute avg build time..02:15
Mithrandirjdub: I'd say so, yes.  Read the documentation for it?02:16
KamionMithrandir: troo02:18
mdzlamont: diff looks pretty clean02:18
lamontyeah, just renamed vim-tiny to vim-ubuntu... we _could_ deliver a vim-tiny package, but I'm not inclined to...02:19
lamont(vim-tiny went away, it seems, because vim _IS_ vim-tiny...)02:19
mdzyeah, we have vim in base02:19
mdzlamont: as long as you're there, mind taking a look at the icon issue?02:19
lamontyeah, and it grew by something like 97KB.02:19
lamontbug #?02:19
lamontmdz: I can't reproduce 1559 at all.02:21
mdzlamont: the .desktop references gvim.png, which doesn't seem to exist anywhere02:21
mdzmaybe it used to be shipped with gnome or something?02:21
jdubhrm, crap02:22
jdubthat's totally bong on multibinary02:22
mdzlamont: odd, it's behaving now02:22
mdzjdub: only if you call dh_install multiple times02:22
mdzit should work fine if you call it just once02:22
lamonthrm.. given kvim and vim*.png, I'd expect that gvim.png was a foot with the Vim logo superimposed.02:22
jdubcdbs ;)02:23
lamontmdz: in order to reproduce the bug with -8, I had to reboot...  and again for -9 to make it go away...02:23
lamontnot sure how init is stashing the vnode, but it appears to be...02:23
mdzlamont: I don't think I had upgraded it since rebooting, but I suppose I could be on crack02:23
mdzjdub: do you know of a gnome vim icon we can use?02:24
mdzjdub: (#1639)02:24
lamontgvim: should we just reference vim.png, or should we make jdub/seb give us a new one?02:24
mdzthough, a .desktop entry for gvim is a bit silly02:24
lamontremind me again why lapack3 is in main???02:24
lamontwe could just make that go away...02:25
mdzlamont: python-numeric :-(02:25
lamontafter all my work to get it there...02:25
jdubdo we have to have a .desktop file for gvim?02:25
jdubi guess it helps with mimetypes registration02:25
jdubbut a menu item is bong02:25
lamont /usr/share/applications/gvim.desktop02:26
jdubmdz: (is this for mimetypes, or...?)02:26
mdzit's not localised or anything02:26
lamont[Desktop Entry] 02:26
lamontComment=Vim Text Editor02:26
lamontExec=gvim 02:26
mdzjdub: pasted you the whole thing in /msg02:26
mdzin order to avoid SPAMMING THE CHANNEL02:26
lamontjdub: just tell me what to make it say...02:26
jdubwell, answer my questions first!02:27
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jdubso that doesn't have mime stuff in it -> why do we need a .desktop file at all?02:27
lamontuh, what's the question?? :=)02:27
lamontjdub: exactly.02:27
lamontwe have one, should we kill it?02:27
jdubyou can stop being zen now02:27
jdubi don't think there's any point installing it02:28
jdub(mdz must've been saying yes to something else, then - that's what confused me.)02:28
jdublkcl is on so much crack02:29
lamontwho wants to review vim.menu?02:29
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sidneyhey, i have a question02:30
sidneyhas anybody sucessfully built ndiswrapper?02:31
sidney...with the standard ubuntu kernel that is02:31
mdzjdub: I thought you were asking "do we have a .desktop file for vim?"02:33
mdzI do not think we need one02:33
lamontI left the .desktop file in vim-gnome, but fixed the png reference.  vim doesn't get one02:34
mdzelmo: regarding #1677, is auckland running exec-shield? :-P02:44
lamontmdz: anything else before I upload vim?02:45
mdzsidney: this channel is for development discussion; for questions and other discussion, please use #ubuntu02:45
mdzlamont: nope, if it works for you, ship it02:46
mdzlamont: go ahead and kick any remaining vim-* variants out of the seeds once it's in02:46
mdzI think only vim-gnome remains02:46
mdzhmm, maybe not02:47
mdzI think they're all in universe already02:47
mdzwe should really just kill them02:47
mdzthey're evil and broken and when people install them they get broken diversions02:47
mdzlet's see how this goes first02:47
lamontbtw, what's broken with the diversions?02:52
mdzjdub: what do you think we should do about the CD-RW/nautilus-cd-burner/pmount situation?02:52
jdubmdz: it's actively being worked on upstream02:52
mdzlamont: apt-get install vim; apt-get install vim-gnome; apt-get remove vim-gnome and you no longer have /usr/bin/vim02:53
mdzjdub: I  know, but a new dbus+hal scares the shit out of me02:53
mdzconsidering pitti said the last version didn't work at all for him02:53
jdubmdz: we're just in a rough spot (a little bit) because we're doing things slightly differently02:53
jdubmdz: yeah, but consider that both Novell and Red Hat are actively working on this for their upcoming releases02:53
jdubmdz: might be worth tracking rawhide packages02:53
jdubto see what they're doing02:53
npmccallummdz: If I remember correctly it was just his usbkey that didn't work02:53
npmccallummdz: everything else worked (I think...)02:54
mdznpmccallum: hmm, ok, he sounded much more concerned in bugzilla02:54
npmccallummdz: I could be wrong02:54
mdzit would certainly suck to have to bail on the automounting magic because of this02:54
npmccallummdz: we'll just make sure we test the new packages before we make a decision02:55
npmccallummdz: I for one am not going to blindly take a new version02:55
mdznpmccallum: agreed02:55
mdzwe can't test on behalf of all of the users who will be affected by it, though02:55
npmccallumthats true, but there is no garuntee that many of the users that come after the preview will work with the current version02:56
npmccallumand there is a bad known bug now...02:56
lamontmdz: all well here, gonna upload unless you scream.02:57
mdzlamont: ok02:57
lamont1037432->1394296 bytes.02:58
lamontmdz: you're running, yes?02:58
mdzlamont: not right now :-/03:01
mdzlamont: see #163203:02
mdz2.6.8.1 doesn't boot for me on this machine03:02
lamontso 2.6.7 then03:06
lamont1596 is the "just keep retrying it, that happens on powerpc' bug...03:07
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lamont      (" terminated by signal 4","give\n"),03:08
lamontmdz: so how should I handle that one??03:08
lamontit certainly affects us, but I've specifically been told that 'powerpc's just do that sometimes, it's perfectly normal'...03:08
elmomdz: yes, but so is newsamosa03:15
elmoand saens03:16
elmooh, not with apache2 tho.. hmm, blah.  okay, I've taken it off, we'll see if that clears it up03:25
elmo476345 /var/log/apache2/archive.ubuntulinux.org.error-log03:31
elmogod damn it03:31
lamontmdz: want me to upload 1666?03:45
lamontone char change in configure.03:45
lamontalthough I suppose just re-running autoconf would fix it too.  -but the diff would be much bigger.. :-)03:46
lamont- VERSION=1.0.403:46
lamont+ VERSION=1.0.503:46
lamontreflecting the change that's already in configure.in03:46
elmomdz: it's not exec-shield :-P03:48
lamontroot      4067  0.0  0.1  1492  468 tty1     Ss+  19:38   0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty303:59
lamontroot      4104  0.0  0.1  1492  456 ?        Ss   19:38   0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty103:59
lamonthrm. oops.03:59
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lamontnow to identify where it is.03:59
mdzlamont: has the machine ever hung?03:59
mdzlamont: or is it only a problem in userland?03:59
lamontpurely userland, and tty assignment04:00
mdzlamont: 1666, does it actually break anything?04:00
mdzI'm not sure why that was made RC in Debian04:00
lamontoh, 1666, dunno.04:00
mdzlamont: I mean the powerpc thing, has the buildd ever crashed?04:00
mdzor does it only randomly crash programs?04:01
mdzno kernel panics?04:01
lamontany app that builds against version.h and varies things based on 1.0.4 vs 1.0.5 is screwed.04:01
mdzlamont: patch to configure is fine04:01
lamontmdz: no kernel panics, just dead user processes.  Always SIGILL04:01
lamontmdz: alsa-lib uploaded04:02
lamontmdz: seems to only crash dh_install and such - don't have a ppc, so I only see it in the buildd's04:03
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mdzlamont: has it ever happened on a Debian buildd?04:03
lamontdunno.. don't run ppc buildd there04:04
lamontbut elmo was very familiar with it...04:04
mdzgoogled on it?04:05
mdzhttp://lists.exploits.org/slackintosh-users/Aug2002/00001.html sounds vaguely similar04:05
mdzlamont: is it using a CONFIG_HIGHMEM kernel?04:06
mdzgoogle(linux powerpc random sigill) turns up a message about config_highmem being a possible culprit04:06
mdzcould try turning that off, for giggles04:10
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fabbionemorning guys06:29
danielsfabbione: 'morning06:30
fabbionetoday is a good morning06:30
fabbioneit's friday06:30
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lamontdamn inadequate kernel API's anyway06:34
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fabbionewho forgot to upload enigmamail?06:38
fabbioneoh thombot06:38
danielsfabbione: heh06:39
fabbioneErrors were encountered while processing:06:40
fabbione /mirrors/ubuntu/pool/main/v/vim/vim-common_6.2-532+4ubuntu2_all.deb06:40
fabbione /mirrors/ubuntu/pool/main/v/vim/vim_6.2-532+4ubuntu2_i386.deb06:40
fabbioneE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)06:40
fabbioneehi guys...06:40
fabbioneis there a bug open for it already?06:40
lamontfabbione: what's the errors...06:53
fabbionelamont: dpkg: error processing /mirrors/ubuntu/pool/main/v/vim/vim_6.2-532+4ubuntu2_i386.deb (--unpack):06:53
fabbione trying to overwrite `/etc/vim/gvimrc', which is also in package vim-python06:53
=== lamont fixes
lamontapt-get remove vim-python06:54
lamontmdz: so can I just kill the vim-* packages??? huh? huh?  can I? prettttyyyy pleaaaaaasssssssssssssseeeeeeeeeeeee?06:55
mdzlamont: care to take a look in sid and see how they fixed it?  maybe it's trivial06:56
lamontmdz: that particualr one is because I added gvimrc to the files delivered by vim.  I could just stop delivering that file again...06:57
lamont+debian/runtime/gvimrc                  etc/vim06:57
lamont+etc/vim/gvimrc                         usr/share/vim/gvimrc06:57
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lamontno similar change in sid07:02
lamontmdz: I think we want to keep delivering those files, so it's just a matter of freshening the versions on the conflicts/replaces lines, yes?07:03
fabbionemdz: 163707:07
fabbionemdz: i really don't know anything about ldap/slapd and so on.. do you really want me to fix it? I can do it.. it will just take longer time07:08
lamontmdz: looking at 834, we need to add a dpkg-divert --remove to preinst, and then just drop the other packages completely?07:15
lamontfabbione: btw, vim is #834. :(07:19
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lamontnight all07:44
fabbionenight lamont07:45
danielslamont: night dude07:57
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pittiMoin moin08:48
fabbionejdub, mdz: http://people.no-name-yet.com/~fabbione/1637.diff08:51
fabbionepermission to upload openldap2 with that fix for that bug08:51
MithrandirKamion: The lspci output for the usb cdrom-does-not-work-with-d-i is now at https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=166909:09
mdzfabbione: looks good, go ahead09:17
fabbionemdz: ok.09:18
mdzlamont: I meant the bit where it doesn't remove the diversions properly09:18
fabbionemdz: permission to upload mozilla for 1682 and change again the default of dsp to auto (can't remember the bug number)09:18
fabbionemdz: each time we sync we MUST be sure that all the changes we did across the time are reintroduced too09:19
MithrandirKamion: actually:09:22
Mithrandir: tfheen@dessverre ..64-generic/kernel/drivers > find -name \*hid\*09:22
Mithrandir: tfheen@dessverre ..64-generic/kernel/drivers >09:22
fabbionemdz: sorry i don't have a diff handy but it's basically s/1.7.2/1.7.3 in the menu files09:22
MithrandirKamion: so it seems like the hid and usbhid modules are missing from the initrd and that's the problem, not that discover1-data fucks up09:22
mdzfabbione: yes, that is the responsibility of the person requesting the sync09:23
mdzin fact it should be written as part of the request09:23
fabbionemdz: ok.. can i upload?09:23
mdzfabbione: yes09:24
KamionMithrandir: hm, usbhid isn't in linux-kernel-di-amd64-2.6 input-modules09:40
MithrandirKamion: I was just typing that.09:40
Mithrandirthe input-modules should has a -drivers/usb/input/hid.o, it should have a drivers/usb/input/usbhid.o09:41
KamionMithrandir: surprised hid isn't there, though09:41
Mithrandirthere's no hid module at all any more, it seems09:41
KamionMithrandir: is it missing from the kernel? actually I thought it got renamed09:41
Kamionshould probably match that09:41
Mithrandirwhat does -$foo mean?09:42
Kamioni386 is:09:42
Kamionis usbkbd not sufficient then?09:42
Kamionah, hid -> usbhid in 2.6.609:43
Kamionyeah, ok, you need usbhid09:43
Mithrandiryeah, and usbhid is missing in the amd64 file09:43
fabbionehmmm status is not too bad09:43
Mithrandircare to add and get permission to upload and such?09:43
fabbione3 critical and 55 maj bugs09:43
MithrandirKamion: can I reassign the bug to you and you'll handle it further?09:47
KamionMithrandir: go ahead09:47
danielsmdz: http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/gimp-2.0/09:48
danielsmdz: user install dialog-less gimp09:48
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danielsmdz: is this still warty, or hoary?09:53
danielsmdz: given the freeze and all09:53
mdzdaniels: depends on how invasive it is09:55
danielsmdz: a few ifdefs; want an interdiff?09:55
danielsmdz: i could create a test image just fine with what looked like exactly the right defaults after using it09:55
daniels(using it ... to create my ~/.gimp-2.0)09:56
mdzconfuses the hell out of interdiff09:56
Kamionmdz: enormous amounts of stuff seem to have just moved into base09:57
Kamionor is my germinate just confused?09:57
mdzKamion: I haven't added anything to base since ubuntu-base09:58
mdz(which has no deps)09:58
fabbionemdz: we need to sync enigmail09:58
fabbionemdz: i am checking if it builds and works in ubuntu09:58
fabbionemdz: due to the new mozilla-thunderbird package09:58
jdubpitti: around?09:59
pittijdub: yes09:59
jdubpitti: did you end up figuring out the gnome-vfs isues with desktop/disks?09:59
jdubi'm not seeing icons in either atm09:59
=== jdub hasn't upgraded for quite a few hours though ;)
pittijdub: yesterday's package should give icons on the desktop for USB and cdrom devices10:00
pittijdub: version 2.8.1-0ubuntu210:00
pittijdub: However, I did not manage to get the icons appear in "Disks"10:01
jdubthat's what i have10:01
jdubi wonder if the one on this cd will be better...10:01
pittijdub: I tried all the day, but then sabdfl and I agreed to postpone that10:01
pittijdub: the new upstream version of gvfs does not play well with my old approach of "faking" fstab entries10:01
pittijdub: gvfs only shows fstab entries in "disks", so I emulated them in earlier versions10:02
pittijdub: now I go on with packaging the crack-of-the-day utopia stack, if that is finished, I can return to "disks"10:02
=== jdub is just doing a demo in an hour or so
jdubhoping i can show those off without a hitch :)10:03
pittijdub: oh, if you do want to show icons in "devices", prepare a fstab entry for an USB stick :-) 10:03
pittijdub: (okay, that's cheating)10:03
danielsmdz: new one which makes interdiff far less confused10:04
mdzdaniels: looks pretty safe to me10:12
danielsmdz: rad, ta.10:12
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fabbionemdz: you got mail :-)10:23
mdzI always do...10:24
fabbionewell... today you are lucky10:26
fabbioneyou got one more from me :P10:26
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pittiHi seb128!10:40
seb128hello pitti 10:40
fabbioneseb128: ehm10:42
fabbionedo you realize that totem starts10:42
fabbionebut there is no sound or video? ;)10:43
seb128this part of the bug is a dup10:44
seb128and the second part crashs X10:44
seb128so I've reassigned for the crash :)10:44
fabbioneok ok ;)10:45
fabbioneyou are safe for today :P10:45
seb128pfiou :)10:45
fabbionealso another important thing for everybody10:46
fabbioneX bugs are almost never major or critical10:46
fabbioneuntil they affect more than 1 user10:46
fabbionethe fact that X crash on one machine can easily be:10:47
fabbionea) hardware problems10:47
fabbioneb) user problems10:47
fabbionec) crappy hardware10:47
fabbioned) cheap hardware10:47
danielse) crappy code10:49
seb128fabbione: you said that for the bug I've reassigned ? I've not even looked on the severity10:53
fabbioneseb128: just generally10:53
fabbionei am raedy to bet that the submitter will not even reply 10:54
seb128I want a NEEDINFO status :)10:57
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fabbioneseb128: can you comment on 1390?11:14
seb128fabbione: "The patch is an update of the FAQ, but yes. it's included." <- there is an another patch after that11:21
seb128no ?11:21
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fabbioneseb128: nope..11:21
fabbionethe problem is in nautilus/gnome/whatever application11:21
seb128"Here is a patch so that GNOME (and maybe other?) keyboard switchers do11:21
seb128not call erroneous altwin:meta_super and altwin:meta_hyper options.11:21
seb128Can I commit it?"11:21
fabbioneseb128: that patch hasn't been included in Debian either11:24
seb128I know11:24
seb128but according to Denis it fixes the problem, right ?11:24
seb128It's tagged pending in debian11:24
fabbioneseb128: he didn't mention that patch in our reports11:26
seb128I mentionned it to raise the issue ...11:27
seb128perhaps we could ping him about it ?11:27
seb128I'll mail him11:27
seb128he's looking on this problem for 2 weeks, he made some reassing against metacity and back to xfree in debian11:27
seb128and mailed me about that last week11:28
fabbionewho has a ppc can kindly take a look to #1690?11:32
mdzI think a powerbook is necessary11:32
fabbionemdz: how would you feel to ask that question on ppc?11:34
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rburtonjdub: ping?11:38
rburtonany chance of a newer HAL in ubuntu?11:52
rburtonif 0.2.98 is included then Sound Juicer with HAL can be used11:53
rburtonwhich seb128 would love11:53
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seb128rburton: what's specific about 0.2.98 ?11:53
fabbioneseb128: actually... the patch is not committed, and branden did mark the bug pending due to the addition to FAQ11:53
rburtonseb128: i'm not entirely sure11:54
seb128rburton: we are speaking about new hal for 2 days because of the lock stuff in n-c-b11:54
rburtonseb128: i've a HAL patch from colin walters which deps on hal > ...9811:54
seb128rburton: pitti is working on it, that's the guy to ping :)11:54
rburtonpitti: ping!11:54
pittirburton: pong11:54
rburtonnew hal coming soon?11:54
pittirburton: i'm right at working on it11:55
pittirburton: I need to port all the changes to the new 0.2.98, this takes me a while11:55
seb128fabbione: I've mailed Denis to ask about the patch/his comments/.. what we should do11:55
fabbioneseb128: you rock!11:55
rburtonpitti: excellent11:55
seb128fabbione: I'll let you know when I get a reply11:55
pittirburton: new dbus is already available :-)11:55
seb128pitti: we are upgrading hal finally ?11:55
pittiseb128: yes, mdz wanted to have dbus, hal, gvm and nautilus-cd-burner upgraded11:56
pittiseb128: I'm working at the whole stack now11:56
seb128ok, cool11:56
fabbionedaniels: nv driver seb fault on amd64 laptop12:03
danielsfabbione: segfault? i thought it just picked res wrong?12:03
fabbionehe has send me like 20 mails in 5 minutes12:06
fabbionethe log shows a segfault12:06
fabbioneFatal server error:12:06
fabbioneCaught signal 11.  Server aborting12:06
fabbionethe rest of the log looks ok12:07
danielsargh :\12:07
danielswhere does it segfault?12:07
fabbioneat the end12:07
fabbionelet me forward12:08
fabbioneoh great12:16
fabbioneanother mail from him12:16
fabbioneit works with -dbg12:16
danielsheh, lucky you :)12:16
daniels-O2 bug?12:17
fabbionei am afraid so12:17
danielsoh man12:17
danielscan we get mdz or someone with an amd64 to rebuild with -O0 but stil lwith the loader?12:17
fabbionei will compile a normal package for him12:17
fabbioneand see what happens12:17
fabbionei have access to amd6412:17
fabbioneno i don't...12:19
fabbionedchroot is borked12:19
fabbioneelmo: please tell me you are around and i know you are reading your mails :-)12:20
elmoit's Debian dchroot12:23
elmoyou need to 'dchroot -c warty'12:23
elmoor does that still not work?12:23
elmooh, I may not have added you in yellow, blah, one sec12:24
elmotry now12:25
fabbioneyeah it's on yellow12:26
fabbioneright a sec :-)12:27
fabbionemuch better12:27
fabbioneelmo: adare gives me a warning12:28
fabbioneExecuting shell in 'warty' chroot.12:28
fabbionesu: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info.12:28
elmouh, cute12:28
elmoit works tho right?12:28
fabbionedid you install ccache in the chroots?12:28
fabbionethat would save several hours recompiling crap around12:28
fabbioneyou ROCK!12:29
elmoah, okay, fixed the warning.. at least I know what that is now - i get that on like 10 of my debian buildds12:30
thomlack of /etc/shadow details for the user, right?12:31
thom(sorry, just back from reboot)12:31
fabbioneelmo: there is no ccache on yellow12:31
elmothom: more not having shadow turned on, but yeah12:31
fabbioneadare is perfect :-)12:31
elmowow, wonder how mithrandir didn't complain about that - anyway, fixed12:32
=== fabbione hugs elmo
fabbioneFetched 62.5MB in 2s (25.5MB/s)12:33
fabbioneAHH NEAT12:33
elmoyeah, just don't do that around realise time.. mdz puts on his angry eyes if you do12:33
elmoerr, release even12:33
seb128doko: here ?12:34
seb128doko: #1159 <- could you reply to the comment ?12:34
fabbioneelmo: but that was an internal transfer anyway.. i didn't suck bw from outside LAN12:39
=== fabbione grabs some food while X builds
elmofabbione: yes, but auckland only has so much disk I/O ..12:40
elmoaround release time, with our new BW, it will actually become an issue - I might have to firewall LAN hosts away from auckland :>12:40
fabbioneelmo: don't worry.. it's not like we change X every day. I can just ssh the interdiffs12:42
fabbionebut i needed the first orig.tar.gz12:43
fabbionei really can't do much without it ;)12:43
fabbionei need some food12:43
seb128bugzilla broken ?12:55
seb128"You don't have permission to access /show_bug.cgi on this server."12:55
thomseems to be working again now12:57
thomthough it's butt ugly12:57
elmoaiee, it's  been themed!12:59
elmoattack of the killer plone css stylesheets!12:59
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thomit makes my bug list look a lot smaller tho, so it's probably good01:01
thomelmo: *g*01:02
danielsow, my eyes :\01:15
danielsthom: diediediedieblood01:16
danielsthom: using /usr/bin/X11 causes daniels to put on his angry eyes01:17
danielsthom: /usr/X11R6/bin in PATH, kthxbye01:17
thomuh, the former is a symlink to the latter01:18
danielsi would like to kill the former01:18
fabbioneoh god!01:18
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danielsmore than I would like to kill the latter01:18
fabbionesomeone gives me back the original buugzilla01:18
fabbioneit's kinda.. hmmmm horrible?01:20
rburtonno jdub today?01:20
seb128"You have requested an encrypted page that contains some unencrypted information. Information that you see or enter on this page could easily be read by a third party."01:36
seb128stop this NOW01:36
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fabbioneseb128: i think you should talk to justdave01:36
fabbionebut is not here01:36
fabbionedaniels: no luck -O001:48
danielsfabbione: arse :\01:52
daniels$10 on the loader01:52
fabbione$100 that we will get tons of duplicates01:53
danielsyah :\01:54
danielsif you want, I could try to build an nv_drv that we can dlload01:55
fabbioneno hold on01:56
fabbionewith -O0 doesn't crash01:56
fabbionebut the screen is black01:56
danielsoh, garbled display01:56
fabbioneamd64 = little endian, right?01:58
thomwhy do people want to flipping use mod_rewrite all the time?01:59
fabbionethom: because there is too much good crack around02:00
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sivangmorning all02:38
sivangwhat was the final decision about the ubuntu-desktop pkg?02:39
Sledge__anyone interested in fixing #1207?02:47
thomSledge__: i'll look once i'm back in amd6402:48
thomcouple of hours, probably02:48
Sledge__cool, ta02:50
Sledge__the fix is obvious, mail me if you want a patch02:50
seb128what's the right place to add an "updatedb" after the installation ? I want to reassign #143902:55
seb128ok, thanks02:59
thomlets see how my sparc deals with a 2.6 kernel03:08
thombadly, appears to be the answer03:19
jdubrburton: pong03:19
rburtonjdub: welcome back. :)03:19
thomjdub: i now have a working firefox03:19
rburtonjdub: two things. 1) i hear you've been talking to my partner in sysadmin crime dalderman03:20
jdubthom: :-)03:20
rburtonjdub: and 2) can you mail me all of your .desktop files?  i want to play with python-xdg03:20
jdubyours aren't good enough? ;)03:21
thomjdub: you have to disable typeaheadfind to get typeaheadfind to work03:21
jdubthom: uh....huh.03:21
jdubthat's completely bong03:21
thomcool huh03:21
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jdubrburton: so i ended up reinstalling the machine i installed every desktop package on ;)03:21
rburtonjdub: dammit! :)03:22
jdubthom: can you change your sync alias to jeff.waugh@ etc. ;)03:22
thomyeah, guess03:23
thomyou have filters i presume?03:23
jdubtwo Maildirs :)03:24
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danielsthom: ... disabling the extension ... makes it work ...04:14
Sledge__thom: cheers on the 1207 fix04:16
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thomdaniels: cool huh?04:29
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danielsthom: you can have the assassinations; i'm *so* sorry.05:12
thomyikes. mdz is gonna hurt me05:12
thomthe fix for 1600 is to bring c-client into supported, have it available but not build the imap package05:13
daniels(ignore the 0)05:15
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thomfuck i hate php05:16
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lamontKamion: I keep getting bugs in that I can only explain if I believe that postfix's (debconf) config is being run before the initial user is added, or we have a hostname, or whatever...05:45
thomhrm. i take it back05:47
thomit just happened to work after i did that05:47
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mdzthom: the what now?06:04
MithrandirKamion: any response from mrvn on the grub problem?06:07
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T-Noneschweeb: should be back in 2h06:38
schweebvim is majorly broken.06:38
schweebfiling a bug now.06:38
schweebno alias from vim->vim.org, gvim supposedly included, but not installed, etc...06:39
schweebthe .list files in /var/lib/dpkg/info should tell you all of the files that are in a package, right?06:45
mdzelmo: I haven't seen auckland misbehaving in some time; it really does seem to be related to your rsyncing antics06:47
T-Noneschweeb: all the files that are installed by the package06:47
T-Nonewich is slightly != all the files in the .deb06:47
schweebcould be generated by debconf or something06:48
mdzschweeb: the bug is already filed06:48
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schweebmdz: is it?  the one where vim isn't symlinked?06:48
mdzschweeb: 83406:48
mdzit's not meant to be symlinked06:48
mdzvim-gnome, vim-python etc. divert /usr/bin/ vim when they're installed06:48
mdzbut then don't remove the diversion when they're removed06:48
schweebso /usr/bin/vim should be... ? an executable?06:50
schweeboh, I see now06:50
schweebvim.org == vim original06:50
elmomdz: huh?07:13
elmodo you mean the Sources.gz thing or something else?07:13
mdzI've never seen the Sources.gz thing07:13
mdzjust it becoming unresponsive07:14
elmothat wasn't 'rsync antics' it was just me using apt-get on the LAN07:14
mdzthe Sources.gz thing would be easier to dismiss as SEP if it weren't happening to several different people on different ISPs, running Ubuntu07:14
mdzoh, I thought at the time you said you were shipping ISOs around07:14
mdzspeaking of ISOs...07:15
elmooh, well I might have been dl-ing an ISO, but it would have been using http07:15
mdzKamion: what would it take to convince debian-cd to build DVD images?07:15
Kamionprobably not a lot, I can grab the runes from gluck07:15
mdzah, ok. whenever I think of thrashing I/O bandwidth, rsync comes to mind07:15
Kamionbut now isn't a good time to ask, buried in mklibs :-/07:16
mdzKamion: what's broke?07:16
npmccallummdz: everything went find in the ooo build except for the splash screen, which I'm trying to figure out now07:17
Kamionmdz: I'm at the d-i developer meeting today07:18
Kamiontrying to make graphical d-i boot, which is not as easy as it doesn't sound ;)07:18
KamionI did make powerpc boot off a USB stick this morning though07:20
Kamion('boot usb1/hub@1/disk@1:2,\\:tbxi', yum)07:20
MithrandirKamion: did you talk to mrvn?07:20
KamionMithrandir: um, whenever I've talked to mrvn today I haven't managed to get anything useful done for the next half an hour 'cos he goes off rambling about something or other07:21
Kamiongive me a while to work myself up :)07:21
MithrandirKamion: sure, just wondering, not prodding07:22
MithrandirKamion: I'm off playing mao in a bit anyhow.. gotta infect trondheim as well. :)07:22
npmccallumseb128: is there a reason abiword doesn't have a .desktop file?07:31
seb128he has afaik07:32
seb128or the -gnome version has at least07:32
npmccallumseb128: abiword-gnome did it, thanks07:36
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npmccallummdz: I lied, the ooo splash screen does work, but I was running mixed versions :)  It should be ready for upload07:48
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mdznpmccallum: great, thanks07:52
npmccallummdz: approval?07:52
mdznpmccallum: yes08:00
mdzthom: scroll wheel seems to have stopped working in firefox?08:21
mdzer...only in _some tabs_08:22
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danielsmdz: it's not to do with partial vs full loading?09:28
danielsmdz: i can't use (shift-)ctrl-tab or f6 on partially loaded tabs09:28
mdzdaniels: well, I had a tab where it was working, and then stopped after I scrolled around a bit09:31
mdzand it wasn't loading09:31
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mdzelmo: here?10:09
elmomdz: yeah10:19
mdzelmo: sorry to bug you, but lamont is incommunicado today10:20
mdzelmo: wanted to know if you could look into #125710:20
mdzseems to have been successfully built, but never appeared in the archive10:20
elmoit's an archive problem anyway, I'll fix in a sec10:21
mxpxpodis anyone around that has access to the buildd's?10:43
mdzmxpxpod: the logs are now public, temporarily housed here: http://people.no-name-yet.com/~lamont/buildLogs/10:45
mxpxpodmdz: well, vim is all messed up right now on powerpc10:46
mdzmxpxpod: messed up how?10:46
mxpxpodUnpacking vim-gnome (from .../vim-gnome_1%3a6.2-532+4ubuntu2_powerpc.deb) ...10:46
mxpxpodLeaving `diversion of /usr/bin/vim to /usr/bin/vim.org by vim-gnome'10:46
mxpxpoddpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/vim-gnome_1%3a6.2-532+4ubuntu2_powerpc.deb (--unpack):10:46
mxpxpod trying to overwrite `/etc/vim/gvimrc', which is also in package vim10:46
mxpxpodErrors were encountered while processing:10:46
mxpxpod /var/cache/apt/archives/vim-gnome_1%3a6.2-532+4ubuntu2_powerpc.deb10:47
mxpxpodelmo: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)10:47
mdznot a buildd problem, just a bug10:47
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