| jdub | MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS! | 12:06 |
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| pitti | Morning jdbu | 12:07 |
| pitti | Morning jdub (sorry) | 12:07 |
| seb128 | hey hey jdub :) | 12:08 |
| lamont | morning pia | 12:08 |
| lamont | oh. hi jdub | 12:08 |
| seb128 | lol | 12:08 |
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| jdub | heh | 12:11 |
| mdz | thom: great, thanks | 12:12 |
| mdz | lamont: python=y, gnome/gtk=y | 12:13 |
| mdz | lamont: 'vim' should give you a vim with python scripting | 12:13 |
| mdz | lamont: 'gvim' should give you the GNOME gui | 12:13 |
| elmo | heh, mouse emulation on the XServes | 12:13 |
| mdz | elmo: can't we just give new users a pbbuttonsd.conf which works? | 12:13 |
| jdub | are we still fighting vim for sanity? | 12:13 |
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| mdz | jdub: no, I think we're in a comfy spot where we know what needs to be done and lamont is doing it | 12:14 |
| lamont | mdz: vim-python turns on gui=gtk2, vim-gnome says gui=gnome2... just wondering which one to pick. | 12:14 |
| mdz | lamont: I assume gnome2 | 12:14 |
| lamont | ditto | 12:14 |
| mdz | the one that vim-gnome uses is the right one | 12:14 |
| npmccallum | mdz: do you have any objection to me changing the Conflicts to a Replaces in ubuntu-sounds (smoother upgrades)? | 12:14 |
| lamont | you wanna test these before I upload, or just bitch afterwards? | 12:14 |
| elmo | mdz: we can give them a reasonable default but not a default no one will want to change ever.. *shrug* not a big deal, I know it's late | 12:14 |
| mdz | npmccallum: yes, conflicts is more appropriate | 12:14 |
| elmo | mdz: huh? for file overwrites? | 12:15 |
| pitti | mdz: https://chinstrap.warthogs.hbd.com/~pitti/utopia/ contains the latest dbus package (including patch needed for latest hal) | 12:15 |
| jdub | pitti: you saw libhal-storage | 12:15 |
| mdz | elmo: yes, replaces alone is hardly ever useful | 12:15 |
| mdz | all sorts of corner cases just break | 12:15 |
| pitti | mdz: I will provide new hal and other packages tomorrow and announce them on the list | 12:16 |
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| mdz | and in this case, some not-so-corner ones | 12:16 |
| pitti | jdub: no, I didn't | 12:16 |
| elmo | mdz: err, I only know of one corner case, and it's a) very corner (i.e. rare) , b) it's clearly a dpkg bug | 12:16 |
| elmo | mdz: like what? | 12:16 |
| jdub | pitti: posted to hal list, kinda interesting | 12:16 |
| pitti | jdub: thanks for the hint | 12:16 |
| mdz | elmo: user installs ubuntu-sounds, it clashes with gnome-audio, so they remove gnome-audio, now ubuntu-sounds is fixed, then the user decides they want gnome-audio again and installs it | 12:17 |
| mdz | *boom* | 12:17 |
| elmo | err | 12:17 |
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| mdz | dpkg bug? | 12:17 |
| elmo | it doesn't clash if you have the Replaces | 12:17 |
| elmo | next. | 12:17 |
| elmo | :-P | 12:17 |
| mdz | elmo: you don't get to change history like that :-P | 12:18 |
| mdz | the version in the archive an hour ago didn't have either | 12:18 |
| elmo | err, but we're going to be fixing gnome-audio, right? | 12:18 |
| mdz | the last time I tried it, if a package replaced some files in another, and then you removed/reinstalled the replaced package, it broke horribly | 12:18 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: around? | 12:18 |
| mdz | elmo: no, they're meant to contain the same files, afaik | 12:18 |
| mdz | they're alternatives | 12:18 |
| elmo | then why aren't they using alternatives? :-P | 12:19 |
| elmo | but anyway, blah | 12:19 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: 1659, would it be fine just to put it in modules? AFAIK, you can't detect the rtc using hotplug | 12:19 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: I think that's our only option for warty | 12:20 |
| Mithrandir | ok, I'll add that comment and reassign to Kamion, then. | 12:20 |
| lamont | mdz: you want to see the postfix diff? pb is I really need Kamion to drop it into a CD and see what it does... | 12:21 |
| mdz | lamont: yes | 12:23 |
| mdz | lamont: don't you have a local mirror? you could make a CD from that | 12:23 |
| lamont | mdz: don't have the black magic make-me-a-cd scripts (well, not figured out anyway...) | 12:24 |
| jdub | "fix everything harder" ;-) | 12:24 |
| lamont | mdz: diff mailed | 12:24 |
| lamont | mdz: fwiw, I _KNOW_ it's sick and wrong. | 12:24 |
| npmccallum | mdz: whats your call -- keep conflicts or use replaces or something else? | 12:24 |
| elmo | npmccallum: just ignore me, it's fine as is | 12:25 |
| elmo | sorry | 12:25 |
| mdz | npmccallum: just conflicts is fine | 12:26 |
| lamont | ok. so how do I test that I got the neato new stuff in my vim? | 12:26 |
| mdz | Conflicts: kdelibs3 (<< 4:3.0.0), kdelibs3-cups (<< 4:3.0.0), kontour (<< 1:1.3.0) | 12:26 |
| mdz | er | 12:26 |
| Mithrandir | is it just for me or is the new firefox completely busted when trying to access bugzilla? | 12:26 |
| mdz | http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1674 | 12:26 |
| mdz | ^^^ bug resulting from using replaces without conflicts | 12:26 |
| lamont | mdz: vim test? | 12:27 |
| Mithrandir | it says (in a new, yellow window) <label value="&serverCertExpired.continue" flex="100%"/> | 12:28 |
| mdz | lamont: :python ...some stuff... | 12:28 |
| Mithrandir | I think it doesn't like that bugzilla spits out malformed XML | 12:28 |
| lamont | mdz: ok, btw, did we want perlinterp turned on too? | 12:29 |
| mdz | lamont: I don't think so; don't bother with it for now | 12:30 |
| mdz | python and gnome are what matter | 12:30 |
| lamont | you want that diff too? | 12:30 |
| mdz | sure | 12:30 |
| mdz | I've almost choked down the last one | 12:30 |
| elmo | james@adare:~$ sudo su - | 12:30 |
| elmo | fstat: Value too large for defined data type | 12:30 |
| elmo | cool | 12:30 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: arch? | 12:31 |
| lamont | elmo: I told you, ppc is bad. | 12:31 |
| elmo | Mithrandir: powerpc | 12:31 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: sounds fun | 12:31 |
| mdz | lamont: why mv/cp/mv rather than cp/mv | 12:31 |
| lamont | permissions | 12:32 |
| mdz | cp -a | 12:32 |
| lamont | ok | 12:32 |
| mdz | lamont: what happens to this if the postconf command fails? | 12:32 |
| mdz | lamont: http://www.vim.org/htmldoc/if_pyth.html | 12:32 |
| mdz | there's some vim-python stuff to try | 12:33 |
| jdub | polypaudio *rocks* | 12:33 |
| npmccallum | anyone around that can put a second set of eyes on the diff for my openoffice source package before I start building it? | 12:33 |
| mdz | sure | 12:33 |
| lamont | # newaliases chokes if hostname not set | 12:35 |
| lamont | if [ -z "$(postconf -h myhostname||true)" ] ; then | 12:35 |
| lamont | cp -a main.cf main.cf.dpkg.$$ | 12:35 |
| lamont | postconf -e 'myhostname=ubuntu' | 12:35 |
| lamont | newaliases | 12:35 |
| lamont | mv main.cf.dpkg.$$ main.cf | 12:35 |
| mdz | lamont: is it not possible to say newaliases -o myhostname foo? | 12:35 |
| lamont | mdz: sadly, no. | 12:35 |
| elmo | oh, can postfix create /etc/mailname? pwetty pwease | 12:35 |
| mdz | lamont: I won't say that it looks good, but it's ready to upload :-) | 12:36 |
| lamont | elmo: it does if it's not already there | 12:36 |
| npmccallum | http://natemccallum.com:8080/ooo.diff | 12:36 |
| elmo | lamont: since when? | 12:36 |
| lamont | since ever | 12:36 |
| === lamont double checks | ||
| elmo | lamont: didn't on the HP machines I installed with warty preview | 12:39 |
| lamont | elmo: it won't stomp on it if it already exists (unless you changed it), and always creates it if it has a hostname. See aliases.db bug | 12:39 |
| elmo | aliases.db bug? | 12:39 |
| lamont | if the hostname does not have at least one '.' in it, then it won't create it. but bitches | 12:40 |
| lamont | aliases.db doesn't get built if the hostname is empty. warty preview doesn't build aliases.db. | 12:40 |
| lamont | ergo, hostname is null at the time postinst runs | 12:40 |
| mdz | npmccallum: looks fairly reasonable, though I'm not intimately familiar with ooo's build system | 12:40 |
| mdz | npmccallum: did you do a test build and make sure that the patches are applied correctly? | 12:40 |
| lamont | I suppose I could pre-depend netconfig, and just be done, eh? | 12:40 |
| lamont | about 97KB more vim cruft. | 12:42 |
| lamont | and no gvim in the package... sigh | 12:43 |
| npmccallum | mdz: I wanted someone to look it over before I start building | 12:44 |
| npmccallum | mdz: Its like a 12 hour build | 12:44 |
| mdz | npmccallum: set up ccache first :-) | 12:44 |
| npmccallum | mdz: ccache only helps after the first build :) | 12:44 |
| mdz | npmccallum: there should be a debian/rules target which applies all the patches, that'd be a good test | 12:45 |
| npmccallum | mdz: I'm not familiar enough with OOo's build system to do it. I'll build it to make sure, it will pretty much make me AWOL for the rest of the night though :) | 12:46 |
| npmccallum | mdz: I'll still be around, but not with many free CPU cycles... actually, my disk will be the busy one | 12:47 |
| mdz | npmccallum: try it with nice -19 | 12:49 |
| mdz | npmccallum: if it still cripples your machine, then maybe lamont can build it on a buildd for you | 12:49 |
| npmccallum | mdz: nice -19 debuild ? | 12:51 |
| mdz | npmccallum: yes | 12:51 |
| === lamont thinks he understands where all the vim variants come from, but still ponders the base 'vim' package's origin | ||
| npmccallum | is there a way to install all build deps at once? | 12:53 |
| lamont | dpkg-checkbuilddeps | 12:53 |
| lamont | then cut/paste | 12:53 |
| mjg59 | apt-get build-dep package | 12:53 |
| lamont | doh | 12:54 |
| mjg59 | hahah | 12:54 |
| === lamont does that usually | ||
| seb128 | lol | 12:54 |
| lamont | otoh, apt-get build-dep uses Sources, and dpkg-checkbuilddeps uses debian/control | 12:54 |
| jdub | lamont: you been to elmo skool! | 12:54 |
| lamont | and I've been changing build-deps lately.. | 12:54 |
| jdub | pants off mjg59 | 12:54 |
| Mithrandir | I had a nice script that took the output of dpkg-checkbuilddeps and stripped the versions off it. | 12:55 |
| pitti | night guys! | 12:55 |
| mjg59 | PANTS OFF | 12:55 |
| mjg59 | It's disgraceful. 4 pints of Adnam's Broadside down, and I feel fairly sober. | 12:55 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: I should go bother you in Cambridge some day. :) And drink beer. | 12:56 |
| mjg59 | Mithrandir: That would be an excellent thing to do | 12:57 |
| npmccallum | the ooo build has begun :) | 12:57 |
| mjg59 | There's an obscene amount of beer in Cambridge. More of it needs drinking. | 12:57 |
| azeem | same goes for Munich currently | 12:57 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: I need to magic up a little bit of funds, I think, but I really enjoyed Oxford, so I figured I'll enjoy cambridge even more. :) | 12:59 |
| mjg59 | azeem: But I have to walk less far to Cambridge :) | 01:00 |
| Mithrandir | why does bugzilla encode my IP or something in the cookie it sends me? | 01:03 |
| elmo | Mithrandir: what was that file you had me alter on yellow to give you chroot indicatorness | 01:09 |
| elmo | +? | 01:09 |
| Mithrandir | /etc/debian_chroot | 01:09 |
| Mithrandir | (please don't invent a /etc/ubuntu_chroot. :P) | 01:10 |
| mdz | /etc/chroot would have been sufficient :-P | 01:10 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: debian_chroot is already in the default bashrcs and such, though | 01:11 |
| mdz | lamont: did synaptic FTBFS? | 01:11 |
| mdz | or did it disappear? | 01:11 |
| elmo | 'unstable' | 01:12 |
| elmo | ^-- synaptic | 01:13 |
| mdz | gah | 01:18 |
| mdz | mvo's fault | 01:18 |
| jdub | christing puce | 01:18 |
| jdub | 121 -users mails | 01:18 |
| === jdub uploads gksu hack | ||
| elmo | mdz: can you confirm home.ubuntu.com works for you now, btw? | 01:19 |
| mdz | elmo: yep | 01:22 |
| elmo | ok - I'll close the bug since bugzilla isn't we're tracking admin fuckage atm - k? | 01:23 |
| lamont | mdz: is there an option to apt that'll tell it to just spew the URL's of what it whats to fetch? | 01:29 |
| Mithrandir | lamont: --print-uris | 01:29 |
| lamont | Mithrandir: doesn't print uris when used with -s | 01:30 |
| lamont | of course, without -s.... :) | 01:31 |
| Mithrandir | lamont: it doesn't do anything anyway, if you use --print-uris, so why bother with -s? | 01:31 |
| lamont | yeah. that's where I got to. | 01:35 |
| Kamion | lamont: yo | 01:40 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: yo | 01:40 |
| lamont | Kamion: is there any way I can make sure that postfix's postinst runs _after_ the hostname gets set, and not before? | 01:41 |
| === lamont is pondering an evil pre-depends... | ||
| Mithrandir | Kamion: 1659, ok with you? | 01:42 |
| Kamion | lamont: it does, or certainly should | 01:42 |
| Kamion | lamont: I don't think there's anything more I can do ... if it isn't getting set, it isn't getting set | 01:42 |
| Kamion | lamont: netcfg hooks in before base-installer to set the hostname, which is before any packages get installed | 01:43 |
| === lamont ponders.. | ||
| Mithrandir | Kamion: and if you have any suggestion on 1669, I'd be happy. :) | 01:43 |
| lamont | actually, if hostname is not an fqdn (contains no '.'s), then all would still make sense | 01:43 |
| lamont | postfix's config gets run before netcfg, yes? | 01:44 |
| Kamion | lamont: nope | 01:45 |
| === lamont hrms some more | ||
| Kamion | lamont: nothing of postfix gets run before netcfg sets the hostname, as far as I know | 01:45 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: just looking, one sec | 01:46 |
| lamont | but said hostname does not include a domain, correct? | 01:46 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: #1659 fine by me (I'd noticed the bug too), if you're happy to wait 'til I get back from Oldenburg I'll fix it then | 01:47 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: #1669, maybe missing discover1-data entries for the USB controller? | 01:47 |
| === lamont dist-upgrades. sigh | ||
| Kamion | lamont: not guaranteed, I don't think ... | 01:48 |
| lamont | right | 01:48 |
| lamont | that could just about explain things. | 01:48 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: possibly, yes.. I could ask for more info from submitter. | 01:49 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: ask for lspci and lspci -n output, that's the standard | 01:50 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: if they don't have a Linux installation on the same machine, the output of 'cut -f1,2 /proc/bus/pci/devices' on tty2 in the installer is generally transcribable with only a moderate amount of patience | 01:50 |
| Mithrandir | seems like he got warty working, so | 01:51 |
| lamont | vim happiness. mdz: you wanna see it first? | 02:02 |
| lamont | but first a reboot to make the machine state sane. brbn | 02:03 |
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| mdz | lamont: sure | 02:07 |
| mdz | I'll give it a whirl | 02:07 |
| Mithrandir | lamont: is mozilla-firefox in the queue on amd64? | 02:08 |
| mdz | elmo: what's the right way for me to sponsor warty uploads so that somebody besides you gets the accept/reject messages? | 02:09 |
| mdz | elmo: buildpackage -m? | 02:09 |
| === lamont uploads postfix | ||
| Mithrandir | lamont: ignore me | 02:09 |
| lamont | Mithrandir: ok | 02:10 |
| lamont | mdz: you want a diff, or a couple .debs? | 02:10 |
| lamont | or both? | 02:11 |
| mdz | lamont: diff is fine | 02:11 |
| mdz | debs are nice too | 02:11 |
| Kamion | damnit, somebody needs to port valgrind to powerpc | 02:11 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: and to amd64. | 02:12 |
| Kamion | forget about bounties from Mark, *I'd* pay money for a valgrind/powerpc port | 02:12 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: at least on amd64 you can probably run it in 32-bit mode | 02:12 |
| lamont | 4 files, 4595 bytes of diff | 02:12 |
| Kamion | qemu valgrind doesn't appeal | 02:12 |
| jdub | haha | 02:12 |
| jdub | mmmmm! | 02:12 |
| jdub | that'd rock | 02:12 |
| lamont | mdz: diff sent,building final and clean .debs now | 02:12 |
| jdub | is there a thingy | 02:14 |
| jdub | to check that every file under debian/tmp is in a package? | 02:14 |
| jdub | just as a handyhelpertool | 02:14 |
| Mithrandir | jdub: dh_install with --fail-missing? | 02:14 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: doesn't catch sizeof(int) != sizeof(void*) errors, which are by far the most common on amd64 | 02:15 |
| jdub | Mithrandir: does that make sense with a multibinary package? | 02:15 |
| lamont | mdz: 15 minute avg build time.. | 02:15 |
| Mithrandir | jdub: I'd say so, yes. Read the documentation for it? | 02:16 |
| jdub | ok | 02:16 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: troo | 02:18 |
| mdz | lamont: diff looks pretty clean | 02:18 |
| lamont | yeah, just renamed vim-tiny to vim-ubuntu... we _could_ deliver a vim-tiny package, but I'm not inclined to... | 02:19 |
| lamont | (vim-tiny went away, it seems, because vim _IS_ vim-tiny...) | 02:19 |
| mdz | yeah, we have vim in base | 02:19 |
| mdz | lamont: as long as you're there, mind taking a look at the icon issue? | 02:19 |
| lamont | yeah, and it grew by something like 97KB. | 02:19 |
| lamont | bug #? | 02:19 |
| mdz | looking | 02:20 |
| lamont | mdz: I can't reproduce 1559 at all. | 02:21 |
| mdz | https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1639 | 02:21 |
| mdz | lamont: the .desktop references gvim.png, which doesn't seem to exist anywhere | 02:21 |
| mdz | maybe it used to be shipped with gnome or something? | 02:21 |
| jdub | hrm, crap | 02:22 |
| jdub | that's totally bong on multibinary | 02:22 |
| mdz | lamont: odd, it's behaving now | 02:22 |
| mdz | jdub: only if you call dh_install multiple times | 02:22 |
| mdz | it should work fine if you call it just once | 02:22 |
| lamont | hrm.. given kvim and vim*.png, I'd expect that gvim.png was a foot with the Vim logo superimposed. | 02:22 |
| jdub | cdbs ;) | 02:23 |
| lamont | mdz: in order to reproduce the bug with -8, I had to reboot... and again for -9 to make it go away... | 02:23 |
| lamont | not sure how init is stashing the vnode, but it appears to be... | 02:23 |
| mdz | lamont: I don't think I had upgraded it since rebooting, but I suppose I could be on crack | 02:23 |
| mdz | jdub: do you know of a gnome vim icon we can use? | 02:24 |
| mdz | jdub: (#1639) | 02:24 |
| lamont | gvim: should we just reference vim.png, or should we make jdub/seb give us a new one? | 02:24 |
| mdz | though, a .desktop entry for gvim is a bit silly | 02:24 |
| lamont | remind me again why lapack3 is in main??? | 02:24 |
| lamont | we could just make that go away... | 02:25 |
| mdz | lamont: python-numeric :-( | 02:25 |
| lamont | after all my work to get it there... | 02:25 |
| jdub | do we have to have a .desktop file for gvim? | 02:25 |
| jdub | i guess it helps with mimetypes registration | 02:25 |
| mdz | yes | 02:25 |
| jdub | but a menu item is bong | 02:25 |
| lamont | /usr/share/applications/gvim.desktop | 02:26 |
| mdz | Categories=Application;Utility;TextEditor; | 02:26 |
| jdub | mdz: (is this for mimetypes, or...?) | 02:26 |
| mdz | it's not localised or anything | 02:26 |
| lamont | [Desktop Entry] | 02:26 |
| lamont | Encoding=UTF-8 | 02:26 |
| lamont | Name=Vim | 02:26 |
| lamont | Comment=Vim Text Editor | 02:26 |
| lamont | Exec=gvim | 02:26 |
| lamont | Icon=gvim.png | 02:26 |
| lamont | Terminal=false | 02:26 |
| mdz | jdub: pasted you the whole thing in /msg | 02:26 |
| lamont | Type=Application | 02:26 |
| mdz | in order to avoid SPAMMING THE CHANNEL | 02:26 |
| lamont | Categories=Application;Utility;TextEditor; | 02:26 |
| lamont | StartupNotify=true | 02:26 |
| lamont | jdub: just tell me what to make it say... | 02:26 |
| lamont | oops | 02:26 |
| mdz | ;-) | 02:27 |
| jdub | well, answer my questions first! | 02:27 |
| === jdub challenges! | ||
| jdub | so that doesn't have mime stuff in it -> why do we need a .desktop file at all? | 02:27 |
| lamont | uh, what's the question?? :=) | 02:27 |
| lamont | jdub: exactly. | 02:27 |
| lamont | we have one, should we kill it? | 02:27 |
| jdub | you can stop being zen now | 02:27 |
| jdub | ;) | 02:27 |
| jdub | i don't think there's any point installing it | 02:28 |
| lamont | gone. | 02:28 |
| jdub | cool | 02:28 |
| jdub | (mdz must've been saying yes to something else, then - that's what confused me.) | 02:28 |
| lamont | prolly | 02:29 |
| jdub | lkcl is on so much crack | 02:29 |
| lamont | who wants to review vim.menu? | 02:29 |
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| === lamont is menu clueless, you see.. | ||
| sidney | hey, i have a question | 02:30 |
| sidney | has anybody sucessfully built ndiswrapper? | 02:31 |
| sidney | ...with the standard ubuntu kernel that is | 02:31 |
| mdz | jdub: I thought you were asking "do we have a .desktop file for vim?" | 02:33 |
| mdz | I do not think we need one | 02:33 |
| lamont | I left the .desktop file in vim-gnome, but fixed the png reference. vim doesn't get one | 02:34 |
| mdz | elmo: regarding #1677, is auckland running exec-shield? :-P | 02:44 |
| lamont | mdz: anything else before I upload vim? | 02:45 |
| mdz | sidney: this channel is for development discussion; for questions and other discussion, please use #ubuntu | 02:45 |
| mdz | lamont: nope, if it works for you, ship it | 02:46 |
| mdz | lamont: go ahead and kick any remaining vim-* variants out of the seeds once it's in | 02:46 |
| mdz | I think only vim-gnome remains | 02:46 |
| mdz | hmm, maybe not | 02:47 |
| mdz | I think they're all in universe already | 02:47 |
| mdz | we should really just kill them | 02:47 |
| mdz | they're evil and broken and when people install them they get broken diversions | 02:47 |
| mdz | let's see how this goes first | 02:47 |
| lamont | btw, what's broken with the diversions? | 02:52 |
| mdz | jdub: what do you think we should do about the CD-RW/nautilus-cd-burner/pmount situation? | 02:52 |
| jdub | mdz: it's actively being worked on upstream | 02:52 |
| mdz | lamont: apt-get install vim; apt-get install vim-gnome; apt-get remove vim-gnome and you no longer have /usr/bin/vim | 02:53 |
| lamont | sigh | 02:53 |
| mdz | jdub: I know, but a new dbus+hal scares the shit out of me | 02:53 |
| mdz | considering pitti said the last version didn't work at all for him | 02:53 |
| jdub | mdz: we're just in a rough spot (a little bit) because we're doing things slightly differently | 02:53 |
| jdub | mdz: yeah, but consider that both Novell and Red Hat are actively working on this for their upcoming releases | 02:53 |
| jdub | mdz: might be worth tracking rawhide packages | 02:53 |
| jdub | to see what they're doing | 02:53 |
| npmccallum | mdz: If I remember correctly it was just his usbkey that didn't work | 02:53 |
| npmccallum | mdz: everything else worked (I think...) | 02:54 |
| mdz | npmccallum: hmm, ok, he sounded much more concerned in bugzilla | 02:54 |
| npmccallum | mdz: I could be wrong | 02:54 |
| mdz | it would certainly suck to have to bail on the automounting magic because of this | 02:54 |
| npmccallum | mdz: we'll just make sure we test the new packages before we make a decision | 02:55 |
| npmccallum | mdz: I for one am not going to blindly take a new version | 02:55 |
| mdz | npmccallum: agreed | 02:55 |
| mdz | we can't test on behalf of all of the users who will be affected by it, though | 02:55 |
| npmccallum | thats true, but there is no garuntee that many of the users that come after the preview will work with the current version | 02:56 |
| npmccallum | and there is a bad known bug now... | 02:56 |
| lamont | mdz: all well here, gonna upload unless you scream. | 02:57 |
| mdz | lamont: ok | 02:57 |
| lamont | 1037432->1394296 bytes. | 02:58 |
| lamont | mousenuts | 02:58 |
| lamont | mdz: you're running 2.6.8.1, yes? | 02:58 |
| mdz | lamont: not right now :-/ | 03:01 |
| mdz | lamont: see #1632 | 03:02 |
| mdz | 2.6.8.1 doesn't boot for me on this machine | 03:02 |
| lamont | so 2.6.7 then | 03:06 |
| lamont | > | 03:06 |
| lamont | 1596 is the "just keep retrying it, that happens on powerpc' bug... | 03:07 |
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| lamont | (" terminated by signal 4","give\n"), | 03:08 |
| lamont | literally. | 03:08 |
| lamont | mdz: so how should I handle that one?? | 03:08 |
| lamont | it certainly affects us, but I've specifically been told that 'powerpc's just do that sometimes, it's perfectly normal'... | 03:08 |
| elmo | mdz: yes, but so is newsamosa | 03:15 |
| elmo | and saens | 03:16 |
| elmo | oh, not with apache2 tho.. hmm, blah. okay, I've taken it off, we'll see if that clears it up | 03:25 |
| elmo | 476345 /var/log/apache2/archive.ubuntulinux.org.error-log | 03:31 |
| elmo | god damn it | 03:31 |
| lamont | mdz: want me to upload 1666? | 03:45 |
| lamont | one char change in configure. | 03:45 |
| lamont | although I suppose just re-running autoconf would fix it too. -but the diff would be much bigger.. :-) | 03:46 |
| lamont | - VERSION=1.0.4 | 03:46 |
| lamont | + VERSION=1.0.5 | 03:46 |
| lamont | reflecting the change that's already in configure.in | 03:46 |
| elmo | mdz: it's not exec-shield :-P | 03:48 |
| lamont | root 4067 0.0 0.1 1492 468 tty1 Ss+ 19:38 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty3 | 03:59 |
| lamont | root 4104 0.0 0.1 1492 456 ? Ss 19:38 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty1 | 03:59 |
| lamont | hrm. oops. | 03:59 |
| === lamont hates race conditions... | ||
| lamont | now to identify where it is. | 03:59 |
| mdz | lamont: has the machine ever hung? | 03:59 |
| mdz | lamont: or is it only a problem in userland? | 03:59 |
| lamont | purely userland, and tty assignment | 04:00 |
| mdz | lamont: 1666, does it actually break anything? | 04:00 |
| mdz | I'm not sure why that was made RC in Debian | 04:00 |
| lamont | oh, 1666, dunno. | 04:00 |
| mdz | lamont: I mean the powerpc thing, has the buildd ever crashed? | 04:00 |
| mdz | or does it only randomly crash programs? | 04:01 |
| mdz | no kernel panics? | 04:01 |
| lamont | any app that builds against version.h and varies things based on 1.0.4 vs 1.0.5 is screwed. | 04:01 |
| mdz | lamont: patch to configure is fine | 04:01 |
| lamont | mdz: no kernel panics, just dead user processes. Always SIGILL | 04:01 |
| lamont | mdz: alsa-lib uploaded | 04:02 |
| lamont | mdz: seems to only crash dh_install and such - don't have a ppc, so I only see it in the buildd's | 04:03 |
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| mdz | lamont: has it ever happened on a Debian buildd? | 04:03 |
| lamont | dunno.. don't run ppc buildd there | 04:04 |
| lamont | but elmo was very familiar with it... | 04:04 |
| mdz | googled on it? | 04:05 |
| mdz | http://lists.exploits.org/slackintosh-users/Aug2002/00001.html sounds vaguely similar | 04:05 |
| mdz | lamont: is it using a CONFIG_HIGHMEM kernel? | 04:06 |
| mdz | google(linux powerpc random sigill) turns up a message about config_highmem being a possible culprit | 04:06 |
| lamont | CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y | 04:07 |
| lamont | CONFIG_HIGHMEM_START=0xfe000000 | 04:07 |
| mdz | could try turning that off, for giggles | 04:10 |
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| fabbione | morning guys | 06:29 |
| daniels | fabbione: 'morning | 06:30 |
| fabbione | today is a good morning | 06:30 |
| fabbione | it's friday | 06:30 |
| fabbione | ;) | 06:30 |
| === lamont finishes a long discussion with neuro, turns off neuro's gdm-helper code in getty, restoring the old bug. | ||
| lamont | damn inadequate kernel API's anyway | 06:34 |
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| fabbione | who forgot to upload enigmamail? | 06:38 |
| fabbione | oh thombot | 06:38 |
| daniels | fabbione: heh | 06:39 |
| fabbione | Errors were encountered while processing: | 06:40 |
| fabbione | /mirrors/ubuntu/pool/main/v/vim/vim-common_6.2-532+4ubuntu2_all.deb | 06:40 |
| fabbione | /mirrors/ubuntu/pool/main/v/vim/vim_6.2-532+4ubuntu2_i386.deb | 06:40 |
| fabbione | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) | 06:40 |
| fabbione | ehi guys... | 06:40 |
| fabbione | is there a bug open for it already? | 06:40 |
| lamont | fabbione: what's the errors... | 06:53 |
| fabbione | lamont: dpkg: error processing /mirrors/ubuntu/pool/main/v/vim/vim_6.2-532+4ubuntu2_i386.deb (--unpack): | 06:53 |
| fabbione | trying to overwrite `/etc/vim/gvimrc', which is also in package vim-python | 06:53 |
| lamont | GAH!!! | 06:53 |
| === lamont fixes | ||
| lamont | apt-get remove vim-python | 06:54 |
| lamont | mdz: so can I just kill the vim-* packages??? huh? huh? can I? prettttyyyy pleaaaaaasssssssssssssseeeeeeeeeeeee? | 06:55 |
| mdz | lamont: care to take a look in sid and see how they fixed it? maybe it's trivial | 06:56 |
| lamont | mdz: that particualr one is because I added gvimrc to the files delivered by vim. I could just stop delivering that file again... | 06:57 |
| lamont | +debian/runtime/gvimrc etc/vim | 06:57 |
| lamont | +etc/vim/gvimrc usr/share/vim/gvimrc | 06:57 |
| === lamont uploads util-linux_2.12-7ubuntu5_source.changes | ||
| lamont | no similar change in sid | 07:02 |
| lamont | mdz: I think we want to keep delivering those files, so it's just a matter of freshening the versions on the conflicts/replaces lines, yes? | 07:03 |
| fabbione | mdz: 1637 | 07:07 |
| fabbione | mdz: i really don't know anything about ldap/slapd and so on.. do you really want me to fix it? I can do it.. it will just take longer time | 07:08 |
| lamont | mdz: looking at 834, we need to add a dpkg-divert --remove to preinst, and then just drop the other packages completely? | 07:15 |
| lamont | fabbione: btw, vim is #834. :( | 07:19 |
| fabbione | ah | 07:19 |
| === lamont falls over. | ||
| lamont | night all | 07:44 |
| fabbione | night lamont | 07:45 |
| daniels | lamont: night dude | 07:57 |
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| pitti | Moin moin | 08:48 |
| fabbione | jdub, mdz: http://people.no-name-yet.com/~fabbione/1637.diff | 08:51 |
| fabbione | permission to upload openldap2 with that fix for that bug | 08:51 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: The lspci output for the usb cdrom-does-not-work-with-d-i is now at https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1669 | 09:09 |
| mdz | fabbione: looks good, go ahead | 09:17 |
| fabbione | mdz: ok. | 09:18 |
| mdz | lamont: I meant the bit where it doesn't remove the diversions properly | 09:18 |
| fabbione | mdz: permission to upload mozilla for 1682 and change again the default of dsp to auto (can't remember the bug number) | 09:18 |
| fabbione | mdz: each time we sync we MUST be sure that all the changes we did across the time are reintroduced too | 09:19 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: actually: | 09:22 |
| Mithrandir | : tfheen@dessverre ..64-generic/kernel/drivers > find -name \*hid\* | 09:22 |
| Mithrandir | : tfheen@dessverre ..64-generic/kernel/drivers > | 09:22 |
| fabbione | mdz: sorry i don't have a diff handy but it's basically s/1.7.2/1.7.3 in the menu files | 09:22 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: so it seems like the hid and usbhid modules are missing from the initrd and that's the problem, not that discover1-data fucks up | 09:22 |
| mdz | fabbione: yes, that is the responsibility of the person requesting the sync | 09:23 |
| mdz | in fact it should be written as part of the request | 09:23 |
| fabbione | mdz: ok.. can i upload? | 09:23 |
| mdz | fabbione: yes | 09:24 |
| fabbione | goody | 09:24 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: hm, usbhid isn't in linux-kernel-di-amd64-2.6 input-modules | 09:40 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: I was just typing that. | 09:40 |
| Mithrandir | the input-modules should has a -drivers/usb/input/hid.o, it should have a drivers/usb/input/usbhid.o | 09:41 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: surprised hid isn't there, though | 09:41 |
| Mithrandir | there's no hid module at all any more, it seems | 09:41 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: is it missing from the kernel? actually I thought it got renamed | 09:41 |
| Kamion | ./i386/input-modules:2:-drivers/usb/input/usbhid.o | 09:41 |
| Kamion | should probably match that | 09:41 |
| Mithrandir | what does -$foo mean? | 09:42 |
| Kamion | optional | 09:42 |
| Mithrandir | ok | 09:42 |
| Kamion | i386 is: | 09:42 |
| Kamion | -drivers/usb/input/hid.o | 09:42 |
| Kamion | -drivers/usb/input/usbhid.o | 09:42 |
| Kamion | drivers/usb/input/usbkbd.o | 09:42 |
| Kamion | is usbkbd not sufficient then? | 09:42 |
| Kamion | ah, hid -> usbhid in 2.6.6 | 09:43 |
| Kamion | yeah, ok, you need usbhid | 09:43 |
| Mithrandir | yeah, and usbhid is missing in the amd64 file | 09:43 |
| fabbione | hmmm status is not too bad | 09:43 |
| Mithrandir | care to add and get permission to upload and such? | 09:43 |
| fabbione | 3 critical and 55 maj bugs | 09:43 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: can I reassign the bug to you and you'll handle it further? | 09:47 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: go ahead | 09:47 |
| daniels | mdz: http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/gimp-2.0/ | 09:48 |
| daniels | mdz: user install dialog-less gimp | 09:48 |
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| daniels | mdz: is this still warty, or hoary? | 09:53 |
| daniels | mdz: given the freeze and all | 09:53 |
| mdz | daniels: depends on how invasive it is | 09:55 |
| daniels | mdz: a few ifdefs; want an interdiff? | 09:55 |
| daniels | mdz: i could create a test image just fine with what looked like exactly the right defaults after using it | 09:55 |
| daniels | (using it ... to create my ~/.gimp-2.0) | 09:56 |
| mdz | confuses the hell out of interdiff | 09:56 |
| Kamion | mdz: enormous amounts of stuff seem to have just moved into base | 09:57 |
| Kamion | or is my germinate just confused? | 09:57 |
| mdz | Kamion: I haven't added anything to base since ubuntu-base | 09:58 |
| mdz | (which has no deps) | 09:58 |
| fabbione | mdz: we need to sync enigmail | 09:58 |
| fabbione | mdz: i am checking if it builds and works in ubuntu | 09:58 |
| fabbione | mdz: due to the new mozilla-thunderbird package | 09:58 |
| mdz | ok | 09:59 |
| jdub | pitti: around? | 09:59 |
| pitti | jdub: yes | 09:59 |
| jdub | pitti: did you end up figuring out the gnome-vfs isues with desktop/disks? | 09:59 |
| jdub | i'm not seeing icons in either atm | 09:59 |
| === jdub hasn't upgraded for quite a few hours though ;) | ||
| pitti | jdub: yesterday's package should give icons on the desktop for USB and cdrom devices | 10:00 |
| pitti | jdub: version 2.8.1-0ubuntu2 | 10:00 |
| jdub | hmm | 10:00 |
| pitti | jdub: However, I did not manage to get the icons appear in "Disks" | 10:01 |
| jdub | that's what i have | 10:01 |
| jdub | oh | 10:01 |
| jdub | i wonder if the one on this cd will be better... | 10:01 |
| pitti | jdub: I tried all the day, but then sabdfl and I agreed to postpone that | 10:01 |
| jdub | oh | 10:01 |
| pitti | jdub: the new upstream version of gvfs does not play well with my old approach of "faking" fstab entries | 10:01 |
| pitti | jdub: gvfs only shows fstab entries in "disks", so I emulated them in earlier versions | 10:02 |
| jdub | oh | 10:02 |
| pitti | jdub: now I go on with packaging the crack-of-the-day utopia stack, if that is finished, I can return to "disks" | 10:02 |
| jdub | ok | 10:03 |
| jdub | ta | 10:03 |
| === jdub is just doing a demo in an hour or so | ||
| jdub | hoping i can show those off without a hitch :) | 10:03 |
| pitti | jdub: oh, if you do want to show icons in "devices", prepare a fstab entry for an USB stick :-) | 10:03 |
| pitti | jdub: (okay, that's cheating) | 10:03 |
| jdub | ;) | 10:03 |
| daniels | mdz: new one which makes interdiff far less confused | 10:04 |
| mdz | daniels: looks pretty safe to me | 10:12 |
| daniels | mdz: rad, ta. | 10:12 |
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| fabbione | mdz: you got mail :-) | 10:23 |
| mdz | I always do... | 10:24 |
| fabbione | well... today you are lucky | 10:26 |
| fabbione | you got one more from me :P | 10:26 |
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| seb128 | morning | 10:39 |
| pitti | Hi seb128! | 10:40 |
| seb128 | hello pitti | 10:40 |
| fabbione | seb128: ehm | 10:42 |
| fabbione | do you realize that totem starts | 10:42 |
| fabbione | but there is no sound or video? ;) | 10:43 |
| seb128 | this part of the bug is a dup | 10:44 |
| seb128 | and the second part crashs X | 10:44 |
| seb128 | so I've reassigned for the crash :) | 10:44 |
| fabbione | ok ok ;) | 10:45 |
| fabbione | you are safe for today :P | 10:45 |
| seb128 | pfiou :) | 10:45 |
| fabbione | also another important thing for everybody | 10:46 |
| fabbione | X bugs are almost never major or critical | 10:46 |
| fabbione | until they affect more than 1 user | 10:46 |
| fabbione | the fact that X crash on one machine can easily be: | 10:47 |
| fabbione | a) hardware problems | 10:47 |
| fabbione | b) user problems | 10:47 |
| fabbione | c) crappy hardware | 10:47 |
| fabbione | d) cheap hardware | 10:47 |
| daniels | e) crappy code | 10:49 |
| seb128 | fabbione: you said that for the bug I've reassigned ? I've not even looked on the severity | 10:53 |
| fabbione | seb128: just generally | 10:53 |
| seb128 | ok | 10:54 |
| fabbione | i am raedy to bet that the submitter will not even reply | 10:54 |
| seb128 | I want a NEEDINFO status :) | 10:57 |
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| fabbione | seb128: can you comment on 1390? | 11:14 |
| seb128 | ok | 11:16 |
| seb128 | fabbione: "The patch is an update of the FAQ, but yes. it's included." <- there is an another patch after that | 11:21 |
| seb128 | no ? | 11:21 |
| === seb128 checks | ||
| fabbione | seb128: nope.. | 11:21 |
| fabbione | the problem is in nautilus/gnome/whatever application | 11:21 |
| seb128 | "Here is a patch so that GNOME (and maybe other?) keyboard switchers do | 11:21 |
| seb128 | not call erroneous altwin:meta_super and altwin:meta_hyper options. | 11:21 |
| seb128 | Can I commit it?" | 11:21 |
| seb128 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=259740&msg=78 | 11:21 |
| fabbione | seb128: that patch hasn't been included in Debian either | 11:24 |
| seb128 | I know | 11:24 |
| seb128 | but according to Denis it fixes the problem, right ? | 11:24 |
| seb128 | It's tagged pending in debian | 11:24 |
| fabbione | seb128: he didn't mention that patch in our reports | 11:26 |
| seb128 | I mentionned it to raise the issue ... | 11:27 |
| seb128 | perhaps we could ping him about it ? | 11:27 |
| seb128 | I'll mail him | 11:27 |
| seb128 | he's looking on this problem for 2 weeks, he made some reassing against metacity and back to xfree in debian | 11:27 |
| seb128 | and mailed me about that last week | 11:28 |
| fabbione | ok | 11:28 |
| fabbione | who has a ppc can kindly take a look to #1690? | 11:32 |
| mdz | I think a powerbook is necessary | 11:32 |
| fabbione | mdz: how would you feel to ask that question on ppc? | 11:34 |
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| rburton | jdub: ping? | 11:38 |
| rburton | any chance of a newer HAL in ubuntu? | 11:52 |
| rburton | if 0.2.98 is included then Sound Juicer with HAL can be used | 11:53 |
| rburton | which seb128 would love | 11:53 |
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| seb128 | rburton: what's specific about 0.2.98 ? | 11:53 |
| fabbione | seb128: actually... the patch is not committed, and branden did mark the bug pending due to the addition to FAQ | 11:53 |
| rburton | seb128: i'm not entirely sure | 11:54 |
| seb128 | rburton: we are speaking about new hal for 2 days because of the lock stuff in n-c-b | 11:54 |
| rburton | seb128: i've a HAL patch from colin walters which deps on hal > ...98 | 11:54 |
| seb128 | rburton: pitti is working on it, that's the guy to ping :) | 11:54 |
| rburton | pitti: ping! | 11:54 |
| pitti | rburton: pong | 11:54 |
| rburton | new hal coming soon? | 11:54 |
| pitti | rburton: i'm right at working on it | 11:55 |
| pitti | rburton: I need to port all the changes to the new 0.2.98, this takes me a while | 11:55 |
| seb128 | fabbione: I've mailed Denis to ask about the patch/his comments/.. what we should do | 11:55 |
| fabbione | seb128: you rock! | 11:55 |
| rburton | pitti: excellent | 11:55 |
| seb128 | fabbione: I'll let you know when I get a reply | 11:55 |
| pitti | rburton: new dbus is already available :-) | 11:55 |
| seb128 | pitti: we are upgrading hal finally ? | 11:55 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, mdz wanted to have dbus, hal, gvm and nautilus-cd-burner upgraded | 11:56 |
| pitti | seb128: I'm working at the whole stack now | 11:56 |
| seb128 | ok, cool | 11:56 |
| fabbione | daniels: nv driver seb fault on amd64 laptop | 12:03 |
| fabbione | s/seb/seg | 12:03 |
| daniels | fabbione: segfault? i thought it just picked res wrong? | 12:03 |
| fabbione | no | 12:06 |
| fabbione | he has send me like 20 mails in 5 minutes | 12:06 |
| fabbione | the log shows a segfault | 12:06 |
| fabbione | Fatal server error: | 12:06 |
| fabbione | Caught signal 11. Server aborting | 12:06 |
| fabbione | the rest of the log looks ok | 12:07 |
| daniels | argh :\ | 12:07 |
| daniels | where does it segfault? | 12:07 |
| fabbione | at the end | 12:07 |
| fabbione | let me forward | 12:08 |
| daniels | cheers | 12:08 |
| fabbione | oh great | 12:16 |
| fabbione | another mail from him | 12:16 |
| daniels | ? | 12:16 |
| fabbione | it works with -dbg | 12:16 |
| daniels | heh, lucky you :) | 12:16 |
| daniels | ARGH! | 12:16 |
| daniels | -O2 bug? | 12:17 |
| fabbione | i am afraid so | 12:17 |
| daniels | oh man | 12:17 |
| daniels | can we get mdz or someone with an amd64 to rebuild with -O0 but stil lwith the loader? | 12:17 |
| fabbione | i will compile a normal package for him | 12:17 |
| daniels | thanks | 12:17 |
| fabbione | and see what happens | 12:17 |
| fabbione | i have access to amd64 | 12:17 |
| fabbione | no i don't... | 12:19 |
| fabbione | dchroot is borked | 12:19 |
| fabbione | elmo: please tell me you are around and i know you are reading your mails :-) | 12:20 |
| elmo | huh? | 12:23 |
| elmo | it's Debian dchroot | 12:23 |
| elmo | you need to 'dchroot -c warty' | 12:23 |
| elmo | or does that still not work? | 12:23 |
| elmo | oh, I may not have added you in yellow, blah, one sec | 12:24 |
| elmo | try now | 12:25 |
| fabbione | yeah it's on yellow | 12:26 |
| fabbione | right a sec :-) | 12:27 |
| fabbione | much better | 12:27 |
| fabbione | elmo: adare gives me a warning | 12:28 |
| fabbione | Executing shell in 'warty' chroot. | 12:28 |
| fabbione | su: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info. | 12:28 |
| fabbione | (Ignored) | 12:28 |
| elmo | uh, cute | 12:28 |
| elmo | it works tho right? | 12:28 |
| fabbione | yes | 12:28 |
| fabbione | did you install ccache in the chroots? | 12:28 |
| fabbione | that would save several hours recompiling crap around | 12:28 |
| elmo | yes | 12:29 |
| fabbione | cool! | 12:29 |
| fabbione | you ROCK! | 12:29 |
| elmo | ah, okay, fixed the warning.. at least I know what that is now - i get that on like 10 of my debian buildds | 12:30 |
| thom | lack of /etc/shadow details for the user, right? | 12:31 |
| thom | (sorry, just back from reboot) | 12:31 |
| fabbione | elmo: there is no ccache on yellow | 12:31 |
| elmo | thom: more not having shadow turned on, but yeah | 12:31 |
| fabbione | adare is perfect :-) | 12:31 |
| elmo | wow, wonder how mithrandir didn't complain about that - anyway, fixed | 12:32 |
| === fabbione hugs elmo | ||
| fabbione | Fetched 62.5MB in 2s (25.5MB/s) | 12:33 |
| fabbione | AHH NEAT | 12:33 |
| elmo | yeah, just don't do that around realise time.. mdz puts on his angry eyes if you do | 12:33 |
| elmo | err, release even | 12:33 |
| fabbione | ehehe | 12:34 |
| seb128 | doko: here ? | 12:34 |
| seb128 | doko: #1159 <- could you reply to the comment ? | 12:34 |
| fabbione | elmo: but that was an internal transfer anyway.. i didn't suck bw from outside LAN | 12:39 |
| fabbione | anyway | 12:39 |
| === fabbione grabs some food while X builds | ||
| elmo | fabbione: yes, but auckland only has so much disk I/O .. | 12:40 |
| elmo | around release time, with our new BW, it will actually become an issue - I might have to firewall LAN hosts away from auckland :> | 12:40 |
| fabbione | elmo: don't worry.. it's not like we change X every day. I can just ssh the interdiffs | 12:42 |
| fabbione | but i needed the first orig.tar.gz | 12:43 |
| fabbione | i really can't do much without it ;) | 12:43 |
| fabbione | i need some food | 12:43 |
| seb128 | bugzilla broken ? | 12:55 |
| seb128 | "You don't have permission to access /show_bug.cgi on this server." | 12:55 |
| thom | seems to be working again now | 12:57 |
| thom | though it's butt ugly | 12:57 |
| elmo | aiee, it's been themed! | 12:59 |
| elmo | attack of the killer plone css stylesheets! | 12:59 |
| === elmo can mock in safety thanks to a certain BT ADSL link death ;-) | ||
| thom | it makes my bug list look a lot smaller tho, so it's probably good | 01:01 |
| rburton | hmm | 01:01 |
| thom | elmo: *g* | 01:02 |
| daniels | ow, my eyes :\ | 01:15 |
| rburton | hm | 01:16 |
| daniels | thom: diediediedieblood | 01:16 |
| daniels | thom: using /usr/bin/X11 causes daniels to put on his angry eyes | 01:17 |
| daniels | thom: /usr/X11R6/bin in PATH, kthxbye | 01:17 |
| daniels | ;) | 01:17 |
| thom | uh, the former is a symlink to the latter | 01:18 |
| thom | *shrug* | 01:18 |
| daniels | yes | 01:18 |
| daniels | i would like to kill the former | 01:18 |
| fabbione | oh god! | 01:18 |
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| daniels | more than I would like to kill the latter | 01:18 |
| fabbione | someone gives me back the original buugzilla | 01:18 |
| fabbione | it's kinda.. hmmmm horrible? | 01:20 |
| rburton | no jdub today? | 01:20 |
| seb128 | "You have requested an encrypted page that contains some unencrypted information. Information that you see or enter on this page could easily be read by a third party." | 01:36 |
| seb128 | GRRRRR | 01:36 |
| seb128 | stop this NOW | 01:36 |
| === seb128 kicks bugzilla | ||
| fabbione | seb128: i think you should talk to justdave | 01:36 |
| fabbione | but is not here | 01:36 |
| fabbione | daniels: no luck -O0 | 01:48 |
| daniels | fabbione: arse :\ | 01:52 |
| daniels | $10 on the loader | 01:52 |
| fabbione | $100 that we will get tons of duplicates | 01:53 |
| daniels | yah :\ | 01:54 |
| daniels | if you want, I could try to build an nv_drv that we can dlload | 01:55 |
| fabbione | hmm | 01:56 |
| fabbione | no hold on | 01:56 |
| fabbione | with -O0 doesn't crash | 01:56 |
| daniels | ? | 01:56 |
| fabbione | but the screen is black | 01:56 |
| daniels | oh, garbled display | 01:56 |
| daniels | arse | 01:56 |
| fabbione | IF THAT PUNK WILL EVER MANAGE TO SEND A REPLY IN THE SAME PLACE | 01:56 |
| fabbione | amd64 = little endian, right? | 01:58 |
| thom | why do people want to flipping use mod_rewrite all the time? | 01:59 |
| fabbione | thom: because there is too much good crack around | 02:00 |
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| sivang | morning all | 02:38 |
| sivang | what was the final decision about the ubuntu-desktop pkg? | 02:39 |
| Sledge__ | anyone interested in fixing #1207? | 02:47 |
| thom | Sledge__: i'll look once i'm back in amd64 | 02:48 |
| thom | couple of hours, probably | 02:48 |
| Sledge__ | cool, ta | 02:50 |
| Sledge__ | the fix is obvious, mail me if you want a patch | 02:50 |
| seb128 | what's the right place to add an "updatedb" after the installation ? I want to reassign #1439 | 02:55 |
| Kamion | base-config | 02:57 |
| seb128 | ok, thanks | 02:59 |
| thom | lets see how my sparc deals with a 2.6 kernel | 03:08 |
| thom | badly, appears to be the answer | 03:19 |
| jdub | rburton: pong | 03:19 |
| rburton | jdub: welcome back. :) | 03:19 |
| thom | jdub: i now have a working firefox | 03:19 |
| rburton | jdub: two things. 1) i hear you've been talking to my partner in sysadmin crime dalderman | 03:20 |
| jdub | haha | 03:20 |
| jdub | thom: :-) | 03:20 |
| rburton | jdub: and 2) can you mail me all of your .desktop files? i want to play with python-xdg | 03:20 |
| jdub | yours aren't good enough? ;) | 03:21 |
| thom | jdub: you have to disable typeaheadfind to get typeaheadfind to work | 03:21 |
| jdub | thom: uh....huh. | 03:21 |
| jdub | that's completely bong | 03:21 |
| thom | cool huh | 03:21 |
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| jdub | rburton: so i ended up reinstalling the machine i installed every desktop package on ;) | 03:21 |
| rburton | jdub: dammit! :) | 03:22 |
| jdub | thom: can you change your sync alias to jeff.waugh@ etc. ;) | 03:22 |
| thom | yeah, guess | 03:23 |
| thom | you have filters i presume? | 03:23 |
| jdub | two Maildirs :) | 03:24 |
| daniels | spunky | 03:24 |
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| thom | ahr | 03:25 |
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| daniels | thom: ... disabling the extension ... makes it work ... | 04:14 |
| Sledge__ | thom: cheers on the 1207 fix | 04:16 |
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| thom | daniels: cool huh? | 04:29 |
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| daniels | thom: you can have the assassinations; i'm *so* sorry. | 05:12 |
| thom | *g* | 05:12 |
| thom | yikes. mdz is gonna hurt me | 05:12 |
| thom | the fix for 1600 is to bring c-client into supported, have it available but not build the imap package | 05:13 |
| daniels | !!!! | 05:15 |
| daniels | 0 | 05:15 |
| daniels | (ignore the 0) | 05:15 |
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| thom | fuck i hate php | 05:16 |
| === thom hacks | ||
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| lamont | Kamion: I keep getting bugs in that I can only explain if I believe that postfix's (debconf) config is being run before the initial user is added, or we have a hostname, or whatever... | 05:45 |
| thom | hrm. i take it back | 05:47 |
| thom | it just happened to work after i did that | 05:47 |
| === thom is now running a version with out, adn that works too | ||
| thom | yay | 05:48 |
| === lamont wishes that bugzilla would add References: lines so that things wound up threading better. | ||
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| mdz | thom: the what now? | 06:04 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: any response from mrvn on the grub problem? | 06:07 |
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| T-None | schweeb: should be back in 2h | 06:38 |
| schweeb | vim is majorly broken. | 06:38 |
| schweeb | filing a bug now. | 06:38 |
| schweeb | no alias from vim->vim.org, gvim supposedly included, but not installed, etc... | 06:39 |
| schweeb | the .list files in /var/lib/dpkg/info should tell you all of the files that are in a package, right? | 06:45 |
| mdz | elmo: I haven't seen auckland misbehaving in some time; it really does seem to be related to your rsyncing antics | 06:47 |
| T-None | schweeb: all the files that are installed by the package | 06:47 |
| T-None | wich is slightly != all the files in the .deb | 06:47 |
| schweeb | gotcha | 06:47 |
| schweeb | could be generated by debconf or something | 06:48 |
| mdz | schweeb: the bug is already filed | 06:48 |
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| schweeb | mdz: is it? the one where vim isn't symlinked? | 06:48 |
| mdz | schweeb: 834 | 06:48 |
| mdz | it's not meant to be symlinked | 06:48 |
| mdz | vim-gnome, vim-python etc. divert /usr/bin/ vim when they're installed | 06:48 |
| mdz | but then don't remove the diversion when they're removed | 06:48 |
| schweeb | ah | 06:48 |
| schweeb | so /usr/bin/vim should be... ? an executable? | 06:50 |
| schweeb | oh, I see now | 06:50 |
| schweeb | vim.org == vim original | 06:50 |
| elmo | mdz: huh? | 07:13 |
| elmo | do you mean the Sources.gz thing or something else? | 07:13 |
| mdz | I've never seen the Sources.gz thing | 07:13 |
| mdz | just it becoming unresponsive | 07:14 |
| elmo | that wasn't 'rsync antics' it was just me using apt-get on the LAN | 07:14 |
| mdz | the Sources.gz thing would be easier to dismiss as SEP if it weren't happening to several different people on different ISPs, running Ubuntu | 07:14 |
| mdz | oh, I thought at the time you said you were shipping ISOs around | 07:14 |
| mdz | speaking of ISOs... | 07:15 |
| elmo | oh, well I might have been dl-ing an ISO, but it would have been using http | 07:15 |
| mdz | Kamion: what would it take to convince debian-cd to build DVD images? | 07:15 |
| Kamion | probably not a lot, I can grab the runes from gluck | 07:15 |
| mdz | ah, ok. whenever I think of thrashing I/O bandwidth, rsync comes to mind | 07:15 |
| Kamion | but now isn't a good time to ask, buried in mklibs :-/ | 07:16 |
| mdz | Kamion: what's broke? | 07:16 |
| npmccallum | mdz: everything went find in the ooo build except for the splash screen, which I'm trying to figure out now | 07:17 |
| Kamion | mdz: I'm at the d-i developer meeting today | 07:18 |
| mdz | ah | 07:18 |
| Kamion | trying to make graphical d-i boot, which is not as easy as it doesn't sound ;) | 07:18 |
| Kamion | I did make powerpc boot off a USB stick this morning though | 07:20 |
| Kamion | ('boot usb1/hub@1/disk@1:2,\\:tbxi', yum) | 07:20 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: did you talk to mrvn? | 07:20 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: um, whenever I've talked to mrvn today I haven't managed to get anything useful done for the next half an hour 'cos he goes off rambling about something or other | 07:21 |
| Kamion | give me a while to work myself up :) | 07:21 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: sure, just wondering, not prodding | 07:22 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: I'm off playing mao in a bit anyhow.. gotta infect trondheim as well. :) | 07:22 |
| Kamion | heh | 07:22 |
| npmccallum | seb128: is there a reason abiword doesn't have a .desktop file? | 07:31 |
| seb128 | he has afaik | 07:32 |
| seb128 | or the -gnome version has at least | 07:32 |
| npmccallum | seb128: abiword-gnome did it, thanks | 07:36 |
| seb128 | np | 07:36 |
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| npmccallum | mdz: I lied, the ooo splash screen does work, but I was running mixed versions :) It should be ready for upload | 07:48 |
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| mdz | npmccallum: great, thanks | 07:52 |
| npmccallum | mdz: approval? | 07:52 |
| mdz | npmccallum: yes | 08:00 |
| mdz | gah | 08:21 |
| mdz | thom: scroll wheel seems to have stopped working in firefox? | 08:21 |
| mdz | er...only in _some tabs_ | 08:22 |
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| daniels | mdz: it's not to do with partial vs full loading? | 09:28 |
| daniels | mdz: i can't use (shift-)ctrl-tab or f6 on partially loaded tabs | 09:28 |
| mdz | daniels: well, I had a tab where it was working, and then stopped after I scrolled around a bit | 09:31 |
| mdz | and it wasn't loading | 09:31 |
| daniels | hrm | 09:31 |
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| daniels | 0% [1 bsdutils 34401/62.6kB 54%] 3459B/s 20h5m43s | 09:45 |
| daniels | (hooray) | 09:45 |
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| mdz | elmo: here? | 10:09 |
| elmo | mdz: yeah | 10:19 |
| mdz | elmo: sorry to bug you, but lamont is incommunicado today | 10:20 |
| mdz | elmo: wanted to know if you could look into #1257 | 10:20 |
| mdz | seems to have been successfully built, but never appeared in the archive | 10:20 |
| elmo | it's an archive problem anyway, I'll fix in a sec | 10:21 |
| mxpxpod | is anyone around that has access to the buildd's? | 10:43 |
| mdz | mxpxpod: the logs are now public, temporarily housed here: http://people.no-name-yet.com/~lamont/buildLogs/ | 10:45 |
| mxpxpod | mdz: well, vim is all messed up right now on powerpc | 10:46 |
| mdz | mxpxpod: messed up how? | 10:46 |
| mxpxpod | Unpacking vim-gnome (from .../vim-gnome_1%3a6.2-532+4ubuntu2_powerpc.deb) ... | 10:46 |
| mxpxpod | Leaving `diversion of /usr/bin/vim to /usr/bin/vim.org by vim-gnome' | 10:46 |
| mxpxpod | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/vim-gnome_1%3a6.2-532+4ubuntu2_powerpc.deb (--unpack): | 10:46 |
| mxpxpod | trying to overwrite `/etc/vim/gvimrc', which is also in package vim | 10:46 |
| mxpxpod | Errors were encountered while processing: | 10:46 |
| mxpxpod | /var/cache/apt/archives/vim-gnome_1%3a6.2-532+4ubuntu2_powerpc.deb | 10:47 |
| mxpxpod | elmo: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) | 10:47 |
| mdz | https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1717 | 10:47 |
| mdz | not a buildd problem, just a bug | 10:47 |
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