finhmm no luck12:01
finstill no external mouse12:01
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FX|LaptopHello wondering if anyone might have an answer to this.  http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23411912:03
diemannow to see if gnome 2.6 doesn't break gnome 2.412:04
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theantixFX|Laptop, I think it just means you can reach two access points... that's okay because the one you want is listed too12:05
sanitarioFX|Laptop: you shouldn't need the wireless_ap any 12:05
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FX|LaptopSo remove the wireless_ap?12:05
sanitarioFX|Laptop: it should be enough with wireless_essid mshome12:05
Greenskyis there a ubuntu forum?12:05
sanitarioI would say so, yes12:05
FX|LaptopOk I'll give that a shot.12:05
diemanim not even running gnome 2.4 on here. its 2.212:06
sanitarioFX|Laptop: And I don't think there actually is a wireless_keymode12:06
sanitarioFX|Laptop: It should be wireless_key12:06
lamontdieman: slacker!12:06
FX|LaptopOk I'll change that too.12:07
diemanlamont: it all came up ok, yay12:07
diemanlamont: ive got a 8 proc amd64 machine coming :)12:07
diemanlamont: 32 gb of memory12:07
sanitarioFX|Laptop: and you don't actually need it either12:07
lamontdieman: you install gnome2.2 on it and I _will_ drive out there to slap you.. :))12:07
michel_vdieman: what do they use these beasts for?12:08
FX|LaptopOk. Now instead of rebooting. If I remove the cat5 cable I can just run /etc/init.d/networking restart right? Hopefully I'll have wireless?  :D12:08
diemanmichel_v: in this case, teaching12:08
diemanlamont: hahha12:08
diemanlamont: it wont have X on it12:08
diemanlamont: but i might do it just for the visit.12:09
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punkassanyone up for helping me get ndiswrapper working?12:09
sanitarioFX|Laptop: Yeah, that should work, just keep your fingers crossed ;) 12:09
lamontdieman: must remember to head _east_ one of these vacations...12:09
calcdieman: cool, haven't seen any 8cpu amd64 yet12:09
diemanlamont: hehe12:09
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FX|LaptopOk here it goes. :D Thanks!!!12:09
lamontthey always seem to have a westward-ho kind of theme12:09
sanitarioFX|Laptop: No prob12:09
diemancalc: yeah, iwill has a mobo that can do it... they aren't going to ship for 28 days, so it might not be out just yet12:10
diemancalc: it will be fun tho.12:10
punkassi have ndiswrapper all congiured and installed, but it cant seem to find the dhcp server (router)12:10
diemanlamont: yeah, we've gone west the last two times12:10
diemanlamont: actually, to be more exact, california.12:10
calcdieman: not listed on their website?12:11
calcdieman: i only see up to 4cpu on their site12:11
diemancalc: its the qk8s, its on the website, just no info12:11
calcdieman: hmm it says that it is 4cpu board12:11
diemanit can be made to do 8 by stringing two of them together12:11
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calcer that is interesting :)12:12
diemanso we will have half the memory you can put in the box12:12
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diemanthe max memory is 64gb12:12
FX|LaptopNope its a no go. :(12:12
octI installed ubuntu on my office computer12:13
sanitarioFX|Laptop: Didn't work? 12:13
FX|LaptopNo :(12:13
octeverything works except the X autoconfiguration didn't start in my usual 1280 resolution12:13
FX|LaptopI even have a signal in the wirelss monitor too. lol12:14
octcan I help improving the X wizard ?12:14
diemanone problem12:14
diemanall my launcher icons went away in the panel12:14
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diemani'll have to find out where they went off to12:14
sanitarioFX|Laptop: Hm, you don't have auto on any of the cards in /etc/network/interfaces, right? 12:14
punkassFX|Laptop are you using ndiswrapper for your wifi?12:15
FX|Laptopsanitario, no and punkass, no. My card was picked up on install.12:15
FX|LaptopI believe the madwifi driver picked it up.12:15
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punkassoh...must be nice....:)12:15
sanitarioFX|Laptop: Did you try ifup ath0 ? Or just /etc/init.d/networking restart ?12:16
punkassi am going crazy tryin to get the dell D600 on wifi12:16
FX|LaptopNo to the first on and yes to the second sanitario12:16
theantixpunkass, what was that wireless app you pointed to yesterday?  any luck with it?12:16
FX|Laptopsanitario, when i do that dhcpdiscover cannot find anthing.12:17
sanitarioFX|Laptop: Okay, /etc/init.d/networking just ifup's the ifaces marked auto, so try with ifup ath012:17
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FX|LaptopDHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to port 67 interval 812:17
FX|LaptopDHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to port 67 interval 1212:17
FX|LaptopDHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to port 67 interval 1212:17
FX|LaptopDHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to port 67 interval 1412:17
punkasswell it said it needed dhcpcd instead of the default dhclient but i was getting errors with dhcpcd so i scrapped it for now12:17
FX|Laptopeeeek. sorry12:17
sanitarioFX|Laptop: Oh, weird12:17
punkassunitil i can get wifi with normal dhclinet12:18
sanitarioFX|Laptop: Hey, try with wireless_ap 00:09:5B:86:75:6612:18
FX|LaptopWith Slack I had no problem getting madwifi working on here. Ubuntu is giving me heck. lol12:18
sanitarioFX|Laptop: or iwconfig ath0 ap 00:09:5B:86:75:6612:18
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sanitarioFX|Laptop: and madwifi works like a charm for me in ubuntu...12:19
sanitarioFX|Laptop: but not in debian12:19
FX|LaptopNot sure why I'm having a pain. :(12:19
FX|LaptopError for wireless request "Set AP Address" (8B14) :12:20
FX|Laptop    SET failed on device ath0 ; Operation not permitted.12:20
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sanitarioFX|Laptop: you are root? 12:21
FX|LaptopI tried sudo and nothing happen when I did that command.12:21
robertjHey all, does anyone remember if its SUper Pimp Boot Screen and Phat laptop support or Phat Boot Screen and Pimp Laptop Support12:21
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sanitarioFX|Laptop: try setting wireless_essid MSHOME (with caps) and wireless_ap 00:09:5B:86:75:66 in /etc/network/interfaces, and then try ifup ath012:21
punkassomg i got it to work12:22
sanitariorobertj: I think it's 'mad phat laptop support'12:22
punkassand it was the gnome GUI app that did it12:22
robertjsanitario: thanks12:22
robertjI hope they put that on the box12:22
sanitariorobertj: from the wiki: Usersplash/microsplash/Ubuntusplash aka Mad Phat Splash12:23
FX|Laptop sudo ifup ath012:23
FX|Laptopifup: interface ath0 already configured12:23
sanitarioFX|Laptop: ifdown ath0 and then ifup ath012:23
FX|Laptopyep just doing that now. :)12:23
robertjSo has Super Pimp been deprecated?12:24
sanitariorobertj: I'm not sure, it was something different from the splash as I recall... 12:24
FX|Laptophey I think I have something. :)12:24
sanitarioFX|Laptop: working? 12:25
robertjI just want to make sure we keep a diversity of language :)12:26
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FXRS|LaptopWEEEE. Wireless is working. :)(12:27
sanitarioFXRS|Laptop: Yey!12:27
FXRS|LaptopThanks much guys.12:27
sanitarioFXRS|Laptop: Glad to help12:27
FXRS|LaptopNow I'm going to reboot and see if that works on boot. 12:27
sanitarioFXRS|Laptop: It should. But the config is specific to your own wifi acess point now, based on the MAC-adress12:28
punkasscan i hard code a WEP key into /etc/network/interfaces?12:28
FXRS|LaptopBefore I go. I wonder if it will still work if I remove the mac addy or comment it out.12:28
sanitariopunkass: wireless_key <wep key>12:28
punkassah thanks12:28
FXRS|LaptopI'm going to test that on the reboot.12:28
sanitarioFXRS|Laptop: I think so, I think that it was really the caps on MSHOME that did it12:29
sanitarioFXRS|Laptop: but I might be mistaken12:29
FXRS|LaptopWow if thats all it was. lmao12:29
FXRS|LaptopWell lets find out.12:29
FXRS|Laptopbrb, hopefully.12:29
sanitariopunkass: you might need something like: wireless_key restricted <wep key>12:30
punkassah ok12:31
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punkassso i have to do a network restart after editing that file?12:31
sanitariopunkass: you could try it with sudo iwconfig <iface> key restricted <wep key>12:32
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punkasssanitario: thanks it worked12:33
sanitariopunkass: nice12:33
ParisiIs there an easy way to add xvid/dvd fucntionality to Ubuntu?12:34
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tvon|X31Anyone know why tsclient has XDMCP disabled?12:35
K-I-T-Thi all12:35
CardadorParisi: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions12:35
sanitarioParisi: I think apt-get install totem-xine should do it.12:35
Cardador4. How do I play DVDs?12:36
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FX|LaptopWEEEEEE!!!!! Thanks so very much sanitario.12:36
ParisiHeh, ty.12:36
FX|LaptopI had no idea that caps would have an effect.12:36
punkasssanitario: now is there an easy way to have diff key and essid for another location?12:37
ParisiDoes Ubuntu run any faster (Responsiveness) compared to Fc ?12:37
punkassParisi: personally i think so12:37
ParisiThats the only thing that keeps me from running fc on my lappy, well tgat and its annoying bugs.12:38
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sanitariopunkass: I made a home-rolled script to check where I am12:38
punkassbased on essid info?12:38
sanitariopunkass: but I guess that you could use different indexes on the keys, like so: wireless_key restricted 1 <wep_key> and wireless_key restricted 2 <wep_key>12:39
sanitariobut I don't know how that would work12:39
FX|Laptopsanitario, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&postid=1193879#post119387912:39
ParisiSo what would make Ubuntu any better or different then say, fedora, other then the package mng?12:39
punkasswould you be willing to share your scirpt? :)12:39
sanitariopunkass: yes, based on essid12:40
sanitariopunkass: it's pretty bad, and it assumes you have encryption at only one of two sites12:40
sanitarioFX|Laptop: hehe, nice12:41
sanitariopunkass: but I guess you could do a iwlist <iface> scan and grep for ESSID to know where you are12:41
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FX|LaptopWell I like to give people as much credit as I can when I get help.12:41
sanitarioFX|Laptop: That is a nice policy, I try to follow it myself12:42
punkassyeah, that tells me the "operation is not permitted"12:42
sanitariopunkass: you have to be root, so try: sudo iwlist <iface> scan12:43
FX|LaptopNow to cp that file over to my server to save. :)12:43
punkassah thanks12:43
sanitariopunkass: and you just call the script you create with pre-up </path/to/script> in your /etc/network/interfaces12:45
sanitarioHas anyone tried software suspend 2 with ubuntu?12:48
theantixgood question... will try now12:49
sanitarioI couldn't get it work on my Thinkpad T40, although it worked acceptingly well on Debian12:50
theantixsanitario, doesn't go into sleep mode for me... it starts to shut down but doesn't quite finish and comes back right away12:52
Mithrandirtheantix: try unloading the USB modules first12:53
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sanitariotheantix: are you using software suspend 2 or acpi sleep modes? 12:54
mjg59Mithrandir: Do you have magic code to enable automatically mounting an encrypted filesystem off an inserted USB device?12:55
Mithrandirmjg59: no, not yet.12:55
jdub<mjg59> ... and WHY NOT?12:55
theantixsanitario, apci sleep mode12:56
robertjmjg59: you mean using gnome keyring?12:56
mjg59jdub: Dude, you entirely overstate my antagonism towards fellow humans12:56
mjg59robertj: Uh, that wasn't what I was thinking of, but I've never actually looked at gnome-keyring12:56
Mithrandirjdub: because my time is not unlimited. :)12:56
mjg59What I want is for my GPG key to be in an encrypted filesystem on a USB stick12:56
sanitariotheantix: standby or mem? the only one working for me is mem, and that doesn't suspend half as much as it should. If I leave it over night without AC, the battery runs out. 12:57
mjg59Then when I plug that in, a dbus event prods something that pops up a window and asks for the keyphrase12:57
_Hiro_I have the kernel, how do I get the kernel headers for it? :|12:57
robertjit should just request it via gnome keyring and have keyring prompt if unknown12:58
sanitario_Hiro_: apt-get install linux-headers-
_Hiro_ah thx a lot12:58
theantixsanitario, I just do a "echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep" -- if there is a better way than that it's news to me12:58
_Hiro_it didn't turn up with apt-cache12:58
mjg59theantix: That's correct12:59
mjg59theantix: The normal problem is that one of your pieces of hardware has failed to suspend - check dmesg to see if it says something like that12:59
sanitariotheantix: you could do "echo mem > /sys/power/state" but I can't remember if 3 is standby or mem... 01:00
Mithrandirrobertj: no, it should not, g-v-m should do that, the thingy running as root should not01:00
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theantixmjg59, I think it's my pcmcia wireless card that is blocking it01:00
robertjg-v-m your saying gvm should call gnome-keyring01:00
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robertjor that gvm does it all01:01
mjg59theantix: The "right" way of doing it is to modify the contents of /etc/acpi01:01
Mithrandirrobertj: g-v-m has no way to set up devmapper partitions01:01
Mithrandirrobertj: that needs to be done as root01:01
jdubmjg59: when we get consistent/configurable device naming and mount points01:01
mjg59Then you can have a script that removes modules and ejects PCMCIA cards before suspending01:01
theantixmjg59, cool, thanks for the tip!  much appreciated01:01
jdubmjg59: you could symlink .ssh/id_dsa and .gnupg to /media/secure-ring01:01
mjg59theantix: (For reasons that aren't entirely clear to me, I've ended up in charge of laptop support. In the long run, this is all by problem :) )01:02
jdubthat'd be rad01:02
robertjMith: ahh01:02
mjg59jdub: Yeah, but that doesn't automount the encrypted partition01:02
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jdubmjg59: not yet01:02
mjg59Ah, I see what you mean01:02
jdubmjg59: but <handwave> it will01:02
Mithrandirjdub: you need to call dmsetup with the correct arguments.01:02
Mithrandiror just cryptsetup01:02
mjg59At the moment I plug it in and it mounts it at /media/usbstick (after I forced it to pay attention to device labels. The default Debian fstab update system isn't very smart)01:03
jdubMithrandir: g-v-m could detect an encrypted block device?01:03
robertjMith: Maybe I am just crazy but I expect my volume manager to run as root01:03
jdubMithrandir: or hal, really01:03
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Mithrandirrobertj: you're crazy.01:03
_Hiro_thx sanitario that did the job01:03
Mithrandirrobertj: g-v-m runs as your user.01:03
joemyes crazy01:03
robertjI mean that in a very literal way, not as in a haughty "it would be stupid to implement it this way"01:03
sanitario_Hiro_: no prob01:03
Mithrandirjdub: hal, possibly, yes.  But then it needs a small bit of love, I guess.. you can extend the things it broadcasts over the dbus without breaking anything, right?01:04
jdubMithrandir: yeah01:04
jdubMithrandir: but you probably wouldn't have to01:05
jdubyou'd just add some key that says "this is an encrypted block device"01:05
jdubso a policy mounter would know about it01:05
jduband do all the funky stuff in pmount, probably01:05
Mithrandirjdub: the mounter would need to know keysize, cipher type and such as well, though01:06
jdubcan you detect that from the partition itself?01:06
sanitariomjg59: So what would you say is the best way to do suspend / hibernation in ubuntu today? On say, a Thinkpad T40 ;) 01:06
Mithrandirtoday? no.01:06
Mithrandironce I've finished my code? certainly.01:06
jdubblock.is_encrypted == 101:07
jdubyada yada01:07
jdubdavidz would be able to make up all the pretty strings for this ;)01:07
Mithrandirthis is a good idea, I'll look a bit more into it that way, I think.01:08
MithrandirI'll finish up the on-disk format first and get that part working01:08
CapriCan you recommend any up-to-date laptop fully supported by Ubuntu? Need a new one ;o)01:08
jdubi would love to have encrypted usb keys!01:09
jdubCapri: the IBM X4001:09
MithrandirCapri: IBM Thinkpad x40s seem to be well-supported01:09
Mithrandiras half the ubuntu team or so has them.01:09
mjg59sanitario: Ah, Thinkpads are easier01:09
jdubCapri: i have a laptopt that is seven times better, but the ACPI still needs love01:09
robertjHehe, ;)01:09
mjg59Firstly, get echo -n 3 >/proc/acpi/sleep to work01:09
robertjMith: I guess that's one way of getting support01:09
mjg59Then you need to fix wakeup01:09
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mjg59To make wakeup work, you need to pass "acpi_sleep=s3_mode noapic" to the kernel01:10
robertjDoes the gnome registry support network backends?01:10
mjg59robertj: It supports it, but as far as I know nobody has written one01:10
theantixMithrandir was right, unloading the usb modules unblocked going into sleep mode 01:10
robertjOS X's slurping of settings on login works pretty well01:11
robertjeven though tis not super nifty01:11
mjg59Actually, that's not entirely true. Someone wrote a gconf backend that used mail/.01:11
Capriok. one moment. Let me see if it's ok for me...01:11
jdubrobertj: 'gconf' not 'registry'01:12
jdubrobertj: an LDAP backend has been written, but there are authentication issues01:12
jdub(it needs to have kerberos love)01:12
sanitariook, lets try it01:12
mjg59Anyway, I'm going to bed now01:12
sanitariomjg59: ok, at least I've got something to play with ;) 01:12
robertjjdub: kerberos is both incredibly cool and very poorly documented01:13
robertjI still haven't the foggiest how to add a principle with a non-random key01:13
Mithrandirholy smoke, Opera supports / search now :)01:14
Mithrandirrobertj: kadmin -l user@KERBEROS.DOMAIN01:15
Mithrandirkadmin -l RET add user@KERBEROS.DOMAIN01:15
Mithrandiranswer the questions01:15
Mithrandirat least using Heimdal01:15
Caprijdub: you are looking in this 12 inch display?01:15
jdubCapri: i don't have the X40, but others do. i have a different ultraportable.01:17
robertjI think I'm using MIT01:17
robertjno -l here01:17
robertjbut thanks anyway01:17
jdubCapri: 12" is not bad -> i thought i'd get a 14", but i'm really happy with mine now.01:17
Mithrandirrobertj: run kadmin, run addprinc $principalname01:18
robertjMith: Maybe I am misunderstanding something01:19
robertjSitting in my directory I have a key thats like maybe 512 chars long01:20
robertjwhich I should be able to use to auth to the directory without a password right?01:20
robertjerr auth to kerberos01:20
robertjwhich then auths to GSSAPI and friends01:20
brad[] Just noticed from a mailing list post that some interesting LDFLAGS are used to build Ubuntu (-Wl,-O1) -  I'm wondering, are these added to the GCC spec file or simply placed in the environment during build?01:21
Mithrandirrobertj: log into the kdc and run kadmin with whatever flag you need to make it operate in local mode.01:21
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robertj /usr/sbin/kadmin.local as it happens to be ;)01:23
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xbsdHello ppl!01:23
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robertjMith: and ;)01:25
xbsdI just installed Ubuntu but its been a nightmare. It doesn't recognize a bunch of things, so I'm stuck w/ a 800x600 resolution and I can't read my second drive where I had FC2 installed.01:25
Mithrandirrobertj: addprinc user@YOUR.DOMAIN01:25
Mithrandirrobertj: you probably also want both a robertj@YOUR.DOMAIN and robertj/admin@YOUR.DOMAIN01:26
Mithrandirrobertj: http://web.mit.edu/kerberos/www/krb5-1.2/krb5-1.2.6/doc/install.html for instance seems to be a good start01:27
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robertjMith: I've already got that stuff01:30
robertjI want to go the opposite way01:30
robertjI've got a key database and need to add principles01:31
robertjnot passwords01:31
robertjI don't know if it can even be done01:31
robertjit would just be nice(TM)01:31
robertj;Kerberosv5;0x40bca03b684ccb170000002f0000002d;walter77@RECTITUDE.MUSIC.UGA.EDU;RECTITUDE.MUSIC.UGA.EDU;1024 35 124800650064405513554921718396693098478024231224004301507852778386823771960891022514865488690479778123940333928349925092751288354349970793322282656057260249516256834968769936551065052856787753156509908590004051541897379876629610753721256481394271658537084XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX87493611040776627554048394719 root@localhost.music.uga.e01:32
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aim1159Hello all01:34
aim1159got some problem with Ubuntu01:34
robertjMith: kinda get what I was after?01:35
aim1159I'm russian and I've been suprised on the locale01:35
Mithrandirrobertj: no, not really..01:35
aim1159Whom could I speak about making russian locale KOI8-R by default?01:35
robertjMith: feeding that key along with the principle should allow you to auth as that user, correct?01:36
robertjbut I'm suspecting im missing something from the cryptographic equation that I can't recover01:36
Mithrandirrobertj: I don't see why you want to preserve those old keys?01:37
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robertjI might not need to01:38
robertjI haven't messed with it a bunch. kinit doesn't work because there are no principles.01:38
robertjBulk adding principles would be okay if I can take their new keys and stick em in the directory and have the os x clients magically work01:38
housetieraim1159, you can use "dpkg-reconfigure locales" to generate all the locales you wish to use01:39
housetieraim1159, but I have to think some more about how to make them default01:40
aim1159housetier: I know about this. and I could install the locale and configure /etc/environment and install console-cyrillic (the package wich most russian/ukranian/bellarusian users use).01:40
robertjbut if the keys are tied in with their passwords, then they would needto stay the same01:40
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aim1159but i'm talkin 'bout totally newby who will be shocked with iso-8859-5 locale installed by default01:40
aim1159housetier: it's tooo late here (3:45 am) and I need to have some sleep.01:41
aim1159what address I could write to make some suggestion?01:41
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FX|LaptopCould I ask another question?01:42
jdubaim1159: ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com01:42
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Caprijust a short question to synaptic behavior. i choose "mark to fully remove" (free translation german->english ;) ) and there are the configuration files left. shouldn't this be the behave for "mark to remove"?01:42
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aim1159jdub: it's a discussion list? or some maintainer?01:42
FX|LaptopI would like to load ubuntu on my gaming machine with dual boot XP. Will ubuntu notice the xp and make a listing for it in grub.01:42
jdubaim1159: list01:42
jdubCapri: no, 'fully remove' in synaptic means 'purge', which removes all configuration and so on01:42
FX|Laptopwhereis pcmcia would work too right?01:43
jdubCapri: just removing leaves some configuration state behind01:43
aim1159jdub: ok. thank you. I will write down small "composition" on this issue and send it to the list :))))01:43
aim1159have a nice day!01:43
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FX|Laptopeeeek wrong room01:43
Caprijdub: yeah I always choose fully remove but all these packages are listed in left configurations01:43
robertjMith: do you know if the key is in addition to the password?01:44
CapriSo I have to fully remove the fully removed packages again to remove the configs, too01:44
robertj(kinda off topic I know)01:44
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Mithrandirrobertj: the key is held by the KDC only.01:44
robertjMith: there are two keys, right?01:45
robertjpublic and private01:45
chapeaurougeno network here... how do i go get gcc to compile my nw card module?01:45
robertjprivate in the kdc and public in the directory01:45
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schvenki've got ububtu all configured on my Powerbook and am now tackling a PC. I want to set up a dual-boot WinXP/ubuntu system...do i need to create a boot partition or do anything else other than installing ubuntu on root and swap partitions and windows on a third?01:46
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xbsdGuys, how do I mount my second drive? I am adding /dev/hdc1 as /mnt/hdc1 in fstab but it says: /mnt/hdc1 does not exist01:46
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robertjI don't think so because any client with a valid config file can run kinit and auth without a private key01:46
Caprischvenk: nothing special to do. just leave the XP partitions untouched. Ubuntu detects XP and inserts a new boot menu entry01:47
schvenkso i should install xp first then?01:47
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housetierxbsd, have you thought of creating the mount point?01:47
Caprischvenk: simpler to do this way because XP will overwrite the bootloader01:47
schvenkcapri: cool, thanks01:48
xbsdhousetier, how do I do that? I come from Fedora so I never had to.01:48
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housetierxbsd, I think 'mkdir' might be helpful :)01:49
Caprischvenk: but you have to choose the manual partition in Ubuntu install...01:49
xbsdhousetier, just like that? I just create a dir for every mountpoint in /mnt?01:49
SlackeerbCan some help me burn a .dmg cd image?01:49
schvenkcapri: right...though i imagine there's no problem setting up the initial (xp) partition via the xp installer?01:50
CapriSlackeerb: what's that? which app makes dmg files?01:50
robertjSlackererb: is this a Mac dmg?01:50
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robertjCaprj: OS X disk images are .dmg files01:50
TerminXwhen is find in firefox going to be fixed?01:50
SlackeerbCapri: i duno heh. Its a mac os x cd image. =). Im trying to use PearPC.01:51
robertjYou can user Disk Utility to burn them01:51
Caprischvenk: no problem. just leave empty space for the linux partis01:51
housetierxbsd, well yes I think so :) 01:51
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robertjon OS X.301:51
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daldermanmorning all01:51
daldermanany kernel people in?01:51
xbsdhousetier, thx01:51
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CapriSlackeerb: ah ok. I have no idea of Mac... ;o)01:51
sabdflnight all01:51
SlackeerbCapri: im on ubuntu. I trying to burn this image thow.01:52
daldermanhousetier, don't you ever sleep!01:52
SlackeerbAnyone know hot to burn a .dmg cd image on linux?01:52
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daldermanI got an Alps pointing device that I'd like to get working, anyone know if there are plans to put the alps.patch into the Ubuntu released kernels?01:52
daldermanSlackeerb, no sorry, what's a .dmg file?01:53
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Slackeerbdalderman: its a cd iamge file like an iso.01:53
daldermanSlackeerb, not the same as an iso?01:53
housetierdalderman, I am the genetically engineered product of man + dolphin, when in "sleep mode" one half of the brain is still "awake" :)01:53
daldermanSlackeerb, cdrecord ?01:53
Capri Its a mac os x cd image. =). Im trying to use PearPC. ----^01:53
daldermanhousetier, lol!01:53
Slackeerbdalderman: i cant right click and slect burn as i can with an .iso01:53
daldermanhousetier, you in the UK?01:54
daldermanSlackeerb, try the command line tool first perhaps?  Nautilus doesn't know what to do with a .dmg file01:54
housetierdalderman, I am in .de01:54
daldermanhousetier, so it's even later there! blimey01:54
daldermanhousetier, so you must be suffering with all the noise pollution in the seas then01:55
housetierinsomnia is a bliss! (or however that saying goes)01:55
daldermanhousetier, :-) I know the feeling, I have AS so I don't sleep much myself01:55
daldermanhousetier, why can't I find the kernel source for the version that I'm running in aptitude?01:56
housetierlinux-source you must look for young Jedi01:57
schvenkhaving a weird display issue with my powerbook: when i reboot from OS X back into ubuntu, there's what looks like a problem with the refresh rate...the screen flickers and there's a "ghost" image an inch or two to the right of the main image. rebooting again fixes it.01:57
daldermanhousetier, I have got, yet in aptitude I can only see 2.6.7 ?01:57
CapriSlackeerb: Have a look here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/01/msg05920.html01:57
daldermanschvenk, sorry, no idea on iBooks, sorry01:58
CapriSome explanation for your dmg files01:58
housetierdalderman, aptitude doesn't seem know about it then, for some obscure reason01:58
CapriI think it is not possible without osX01:58
daldermanhousetier, can you see it, i.e. is it actually available?01:58
daldermanhousetier, got it01:59
housetierdalderman, I don't have a computer with ubuntu at hand atm01:59
SlackeerbCapri: help a litlle. =/. thx01:59
daldermanhousetier, I was looking for kernel-source..... duh!01:59
housetierdalderman, [01:57:14] <housetier> linux-source you must look for young Jedi <- ;)02:00
daldermanhousetier, yeah, it's late :-)02:00
daldermanhousetier, does that have the Ubuntu patches included?02:00
robertjCapri: Toast on OS 9 probably coulkd ;)02:01
housetierdalderman, I would very much assume so, yes02:01
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Mithrandirtheantix: we have a great bunch of users as well. :)02:01
housetier(much better than #debian or #debian.de)02:02
CapriSlackeerb: I've found a description how to make isos out of this dmg in MacOS. Do u need it?02:02
daldermanhousetier, all this just to make my trackpad work, it's Alps not Synaptic!02:03
housetierdalderman, well as long as you get your exotic hardware working I don't mind which disease keeps you from sleeping :)02:05
daldermanhousetier, it's not that exotic, many tosh and Asus laptops have it, just wasn't put in for some reason???02:05
Caprijdub: Do you think I should open a bug report because of this synaptic "must-double" fully remove? I try it now with C locale. Maybe the translation is wrong...02:06
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daldermanhousetier, unfortunately my scummy disease it :-)02:06
housetierdalderman, don't ask me about reason :) 02:06
housetierdalderman, I unplugged the touchpad on this laptop02:06
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daldermanhousetier, wish I could get rid of mine, I' more of a nipple man myself ;-)02:07
LinuxJonesHi Everyone02:07
housetierhello LinuxJones 02:07
Caprijdub: nop. it is the same menu entry.02:07
LinuxJonesI installed Ubuntu today and I love it already :D02:07
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housetierI know what you mean02:07
daldermanLinuxJones, that's what we like to hear02:08
SlackeerbCapri: to convert do file does it involve haveing a mac?02:08
LinuxJonesguys did an awesome job :)02:08
daldermanLinuxJones, I feel a "but...." question coming :-)02:09
CapriSlackeerb: yes. I am sorry, I read on this text later and now know that it is no standard iso. not helpful at all.02:09
SlackeerbCapri: thx anyways. =)02:09
LinuxJonesdalderman, no heh :)02:09
LinuxJonesdalderman, everything is runnign perfectly 02:10
daldermanLinuxJones, you mean you just came to praise, aren't you good :-)02:10
LinuxJonesexcept my typing skilsl can you fix that ??02:10
Slackeerbdalderman: i got a but question comein on ;)02:10
Slackeerbbut why cant I burn a .dmg file!02:10
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daldermanalthought I am attempting to get there02:11
daldermanRoss of soundjuicer fame is my mentor02:11
LinuxJonesI am looking forward to the Live CD/DVD to become available, later this year.02:12
daldermanParisi, you know Ross?02:12
ParisiI just came to realozed the number of modules loaded on my Ubuntu lappy..02:12
ParisiIs this natural?02:12
ParisiWouldnt that possibily slow down my poor lap?>02:13
jdubParisi: no, it's normal02:13
ParisiI find it laggy at times.02:13
Parisiway too many processes as well.02:13
ParisiMore then id seen under Fedora.02:13
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lamontParisi: on some architectures, modules are slightly slower (PIC vs non-PIC), i386 uses the same instructions...02:14
lamontamd64 is diff though, dunno which calling sequence is faster.02:15
lamontno clue on ppc02:15
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ParisiIll be back later, going to leave this running on my laptop till i come back..:002:16
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daldermanIs there a graceful way to add a patch to some kernel source and then build a .deb?  I'm a kernel building viring on Debian... done it before on evil RedHat02:22
daldermannot to worry02:23
daldermanfound the docs02:23
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daldermanooooo pretty pictures of 2 galaxies colliding on bbc news02:24
LinuxJoneswhat package is modconf installed with ?02:25
daldermandpkg -S /path/to/file02:25
housetierapt-cache show modconf ;)02:26
LinuxJonesit's not in my repository I did a search for modconf and modutils02:26
daldermanoh, ok, probably better, I didn't know it was a package in itself02:26
daldermanthe line I gave tells you what package a file belongs to02:27
daldermanalways handy02:27
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housetierLinuxJones, you can just download the .deb from debian.org, however be aware you won't have a pure ubuntu system anymore. I have done it and haven't had problems so far :)02:33
LinuxJoneshousetier, I am jsut wondering why it's not installed with ubuntu I have to check my apt/sources.lst02:36
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housetierthere might be a script that loads every module one could use on a certain system02:37
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uttaAnybody get sound working?02:42
housetiersure did02:42
LinuxJonesutta, yes my soundblaster live is running fine02:42
daldermaneven crappy i180 sound at that02:43
theantixutta, did you test all the controls in the mixer?02:43
uttaLinuxJones, Hmm.. I have an emu10k1, all modules seem loaded, but no joy. You have to do any fiddling?02:43
daldermanmake sure the pcm control is up?02:44
uttatheantix, Yep, checked that all were unmuted etc.02:44
LinuxJonesI am using alsa which uses the snd_emu10k1 drivers02:44
LinuxJonesubuntu set it all up for me .... did you manually load emu10k1 ?02:45
uttaLinuxJones, so am I. I find that alsaconf is missing from my install though. Nope I did not, ubuntu set all that up for me as well02:45
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nictukuare you guys running ubuntu as a server anywhere? ubuntu.com server is not Ubuntu, right?02:47
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Mithrandirnictuku: why wouldn't it be?02:48
uttaLinuxJones, what does the alsa-base section of your /etc/modules.conf file look like?02:48
nictukuwell last time I checked there were no banners in Apache. And they should, for advertizing it.02:48
LinuxJonesutta, did you select start sound server at gnome startup from Computer>>Desktop Preferences>>Sound ?02:49
uttaLinuxJones, Yes I did, I also ave the sound Icon showing on top right of my display02:49
nictukuin case any employee is here, are you guys hiring or something? :P02:50
mdznictuku: yes, we run Ubuntu on our servers02:50
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LinuxJonesutta, the only thing referenced is "above snd-pcm snd-pcm-oss"02:51
uttaLinuxJones, Thanks I have that as well. Ok back to fiddling then... Thanks all for the help!02:52
LinuxJonesutta, rmmod emu10k1 and then modprobe snd_emu10k102:52
nictukuI have many customers that run Linux. Currently we are using Fedora "on them" because Debian "oldness" was an issue. I would be really happy to use Ubuntu "on" these guys. Will you sell Ubuntu on boxes? That would be a good move for the corporative market, at least in Brazil. Red Hat pays no attention here, SuSE has become much bigger than RH.02:53
uttaLinuxJones, I have snd_emu10k1 loaded02:53
LinuxJonesdo you have emu10k1 loaded as well ?02:54
nictukuany plans for foreign business partnerships or something?02:54
uttaLinuxJones, No02:54
LinuxJonesyou could try adding oss to the /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base file then restart sound.02:57
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|trey|LinuxJones: most people are trying to ease AWAY from OSS... :/03:00
_Hiro_how can I make fileroller work with rar files? I added unrar but that complains about an unknow -c option when I select a rar file03:01
xbsdHello people, I can't change my screen resolution in Gnome, what's the equiv. of xfree86.config in Ubuntu?03:01
Mithrandirxbsd: /etc/X11/XF86Config-403:01
|trey|xbsd: where is it called xfree86.config?  /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 is what you want though03:02
LinuxJones|trey|, yes I know03:02
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|trey|xbsd: xorg.config exists using xorg... NEVER was a file called xfree86.config though  :/03:02
jdubnictuku: we're not going to sell ubuntu03:02
jdubnictuku: but we're going to support it, and partner to support it03:02
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LinuxJones|trey|, I am hoping that he has oss loading and by adding it to the blacklist it will force oss modules NOT to load :D03:02
jdubnictuku: if you have any suggestions, please mail jeff.waugh@canonical.com :-) thanks!03:02
daldermanjdub, have you come up with any prices yet?03:03
mdzLinuxJones: all of the oss modules are blacklisted by default in /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base03:03
|trey|jdub: you really shouldn't post that in public ya know... you're gonna have a lot of spam now  :)03:03
daldermanjdub, I refuse to pay for Windoze, but this... yeah03:03
LinuxJonesjdub, jeff is up for suggestions/partnerships liek that ?03:03
mdzLinuxJones: (or should be)03:03
jdubdalderman: our model is unlikely to involve 'prices for support' on the website :)03:03
mdzLinuxJones: jdub == jeff :-)03:03
jdubLinuxJones: that's me :-)03:03
|trey|jdub: shame SpamAsassin isn't working  :(03:03
jdubLinuxJones: but for that kind of stuff, i really prefer mail to irc ;)03:04
LinuxJonesmdz: yes I know they are on my system as well he is having trouble with alsa not working for him03:04
jdub|trey|: install spamc + spamassassin from universe03:04
LinuxJonesjdub, oh heh :D03:04
daldermanjdub, so on a per company basis?03:04
tsengmdz: any luck with myth?03:04
mdztseng: yeah, builds clean03:04
jdubdalderman: mmm, and via partnerships, etc.03:04
tsengmdz: :)03:04
jdubtseng: you're doing myth stuff too? :)03:04
mdztseng: waiting for build-deps, and then it'll go into universe03:04
|trey|jdub: I SO KNEW THAT03:05
|trey|jdub: thanks  :)03:05
tsengjdub: im a myth user, sure03:05
daldermanjdub, we'll be using it at work, and we are willing to pay for support so info would be cool.  I'll watch the website03:05
joemtseng, you are a madman03:05
jdubdalderman: perhaps mail me with details03:05
tsengjoem: sup baby03:05
jdubdalderman: of what kind of support you're looking for, etc.03:05
daldermanjdub, k03:05
|trey|tseng: you are getting WAY too familier with the regulars  :)03:06
joemtseng, not much, enjoying a working desktop for once03:06
tseng|trey|: no way, thats my partner in crime.03:06
brad-I love bayesian mail filtering, I've never had the need to hide my email address either ;)03:06
|trey|tseng: :)03:06
LinuxJonesjdub, I have a great idea that i have been mulling over for the past year and a half. I will send you the low-down and see what you think.03:06
daldermanjdub, where is the best place to email?03:06
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jdubdalderman: jeff.waugh@canonical.com03:08
daldermanjdub, do you know Ross B Soundjuicer man?03:09
tvon|X31Hey, I saw a blog entry somewhere about a week ago about someone who was running Ubuntu and they mentioned the laptop power management.03:09
tvon|X31They suggested an alternative,but I dont recall what the current one is or the alternative, and I'm not sure where to find out..03:09
xbsdI don't get it, /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 seems to identify my graphic devices correctly, so why they do not appear in Gbome's Device Manager? 03:10
tvon|X31So...where might I find that info? (what the current laptop battery/power mgmt 'tool' is)03:10
jdubdalderman: yeah03:10
daldermanjdub, he sits next to me at work and eats my jelly babies :-)03:10
jdubha ha03:10
jdubi am also sad03:11
jdubbecause i know that you are subjected to java03:11
daldermanjdub, I got him into Linux, he pulled me from RH to Debian and now Ubuntu03:11
daldermanjdub, hehehe, not me, I get away with it, I mostly look after the network/servers (including windoze :-( )03:11
daldermanjdub, although I do some dev when required, mostly C tho03:12
daldermanjdub, Ross is a much better coder than me03:12
daldermanjdub, and a very good friend :-)03:12
jdubyou are lucky03:13
daldermanjdub, I took the photos of him at his wedding that are on burtonini.com03:13
jduboh, they were great03:13
jdubi'm getting married in april03:13
jdubso pipka liked those03:13
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daldermanyou are in Oz?03:13
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aethyrheh, I dunno if you were asking me, but I'm in NY03:14
daldermanjdub, I'll bring my 300D and snap all you like if I can blag the holiday :-) 03:14
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aethyrapparently a lot of people were reading it O_o   I came home from work today to a bunch of messages from various people03:15
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xbsdOK guys, by default the system is using the info in XF86Config-4, right?03:15
daldermanxbsd, yeah03:15
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aethyrpants? pants are overrated :P03:16
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daldermanaethyr, depends what country you're in03:16
aethyrpantless country03:16
xbsdSo, why everything is identified correctly in XFConfig-4 and does not appear in the Device manager?03:16
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brad-xbsd: They're unrelated03:17
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daldermanxbsd, XF86Config-4 is just for the display and the input devices, not *everyting*03:17
xbsddalderman, I know, but not even the monitor or the video card appears in the Device manager03:18
dalderman<brad-> xbsd: They're unrelated03:19
xbsddalderman, Ok, then how can I change my screen resolution? I'm stuck with a 640x480 at 60Hz and I can't change it in Gnome03:20
daldermanxbsd, there are a few ways, most people just edit their XF86Config-4, but that can be a bit hairy03:22
xbsddalderman, no, that's exactly what I was saying. XF86Config-4 is correct, everything is identified perfectly there03:23
daldermanyou sure you have the right X driver?03:24
WW Are there many differences between Gnome 2.6 and 2.8?  The help file is for 2.6.03:24
xbsdVideo card, monitor, resolutions, everything.03:24
LinuxJonesxbsd, do yu have an nvidia based card ?03:24
daldermanyou could try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 as root03:24
xbsdNope, is an ATI Radeon03:24
LinuxJonesxbsd, ahh03:24
xbsdATI All-in-Wonder 9600XT03:24
LinuxJonesxbsd, I had the same problems but after installing the nvidia drivers all was fine.03:25
daldermanxbsd, I believe you need to visit ati.com, unless someone else here knows if the ati drivers are in a dep repository somewhere?03:25
elmois anyone around who was having problem with getting corrupted (full of null) Sources.gz files?03:26
xbsdI'll give it a try, although I'm not after the facy acel or stuff. The screen resolution is the only thing that is driving me nuts.03:26
LinuxJonesxbsd, there is something aout ati drivers on the ubuntu wiki 03:26
TongMasterelmo, what do you need tested/03:26
daldermanxbsd, I have nVidia and i810 so I am a little unsure, I've never done an ATI, but I know there are drivers for X made by ATI on their www03:26
theantixfor ati/nvidia binaries: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto03:27
LinuxJonesxbsd, here you go >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto03:27
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xbsdYep, there are some linux drivers @ ati.com, I'll give'em a shot03:27
theantixLinuxJones, mine was a shorter link ;-)03:27
xbsdah, thanks LinuxJones03:27
daldermanI'm compiling a kernel.... may laptop is cooking my lap!03:28
daldermanCelerontastic even03:28
elmoTongMaster: please try and see if you can reproduce the problem again03:28
TongMasterelmo, doing now03:29
LinuxJonestheantix, yes but mine had the cool >> pointers :D03:29
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LinuxJonesxbsd, sure03:29
TongMasterelmo, gettong 104's03:29
jeremy1701New to Ubuntu03:29
jeremy1701Had a few q's03:29
elmoTongMaster: 104?03:29
jeremy1701Hoping for some a's03:29
elmoTongMaster: sorry, had to restart apache - try now03:29
jeremy1701Can I just shoot?03:30
daldermanjeremy1701, aye03:30
crimsunelmo: i'm still getting them03:30
TongMasterelmo, will do when it finishes 03:30
jeremy17011) I've got a smb share on my desktop that I can browse, but I'm wondering where it's mounted?03:31
elmocrimsum: ok, thanks03:31
LinuxJonesWhen I try to create a new document it says there are no document templates available. Anybody know a fix for this ?? 03:31
daldermanjeremy1701, it's probably not03:31
daldermanjeremy1701, it's being browsed like network n/hood in Winblowz03:31
jeremy1701If I right-click, it gives me an option to unmount03:32
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jeremy1701I see, but I can mount it?03:32
jeremy1701Like normal?03:32
daldermanjeremy1701, yeah03:32
goatboy_LinuxJones: add files to ~/Templates03:32
Curti1I need help configuring my wireless netcard.  Does anyone know how to set the password?03:33
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jeremy17012) Is there a 3D accelerated mach64 package available?03:33
jeremy1701Curti1, what do you mean password? Key?03:34
Curti1jeremy1701: Yes.03:34
jeremy1701iwconfig eth0 key xxxxxxxx03:34
jeremy1701for 64 bit03:34
jeremy1701iwconfig eth0 key xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx03:34
jeremy1701for 12803:34
Curti1jeremy1701: thanks, but I think I'm confused.  I mean the wireless network name.03:35
daldermanCurti1, you can set it permamnently in your /etc/interfaces file with the option wireless_key03:35
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elmoanyone on this IP: ?03:35
jeremy1701iwconfig eth0 essid name03:35
daldermanCurti1, use wireless_essid03:35
Curti1dalderman: thanks.03:35
Curti1jeremy1701: thanks.03:36
jeremy1701Curti1, dalderman has the better solution03:36
daldermanCurti1, sorry /etc/network/interfaces03:36
jeremy1701So anyway...03:36
jeremy17012) Is there a 3D accelerated mach64 package available?03:36
uttaLinuxJones, I have solved my sound problem03:36
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daldermanjeremy1701, I have no idea03:36
jeremy1701This is a busy forum!03:36
LinuxJonesutta, what was the problem ?03:36
daldermanjeremy1701, apt-cache serach mach64  ???03:36
jeremy1701That's what I was looking for!03:36
jeremy1701Sorry, new Mandrake convert, we use urpmi, not apt-get03:37
uttaLinuxJones, the "sound" file was missing from the /etc/modprobe.d directory.03:37
jeremy17011 more question03:38
daldermanjeremy1701, I shall do my best03:39
finhow do i turn off gdm/xdm?03:39
jeremy1701Running Ubuntu on a latop, is there any way to get the fnc+f4 key to cycle LCD > External > Both?03:39
fini rather just get a console prompt03:39
LinuxJonesutta, glad you got it working :D03:39
daldermanfin, /etc/init.d/gdm stop03:39
finand that forever turns it off?03:39
daldermanjeremy1701, now you're asking03:39
daldermanfin, no, uninstall it03:39
LinuxJonesfin,  to stop running a graphical login menu or you want to change which one runs ?03:40
fini wanna stop running the login menu03:40
finfor the time being03:40
finim doing alot of rebooting and its a k6-30003:40
fintrying to get sound and such to work so its a pita atm03:40
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jeremy1701dalderman, yes :) now I'm asking03:40
uttaLinuxJones, A favor please, see if you have the alsaconf file in your usr/sbin/ dir03:40
daldermanjeremy1701, that's a hard one, if it helps I have the same problem with my tosh sat pro A1003:40
WWI am using Matlab, and when it starts up, it prints the following many time:03:41
WWFont specified in font.properties not found [-*-standard symbols l-medium-r-normal--*-%d-*-*-p-*-adobe-fontspecific]  03:41
LinuxJonesutta, no I don't 03:41
LinuxJonesutta, no jsut alsactl03:41
daldermanjeremy1701, what laptop?03:41
LinuxJonesand alsamixer03:41
WWDoes that mean anything to anyone here?03:41
WWAre there fonts that I have to install?03:41
jeremy1701Compaq Armada m70003:41
daldermanjeremy1701, the short answer is probably either mail the ubuntu user list or file a bug on bugzilla.ubuntu.com03:41
jeremy1701ATI mobilty rage m/p03:41
uttaLinuxJones, I think I have the answer - alsaconf is required for setting up the sound file, but is missing from the alsa-utils package in ubuntu03:42
jeremy1701I can't seem to get 3D acceleration working either03:42
jeremy1701There are install scripts for the mach64 driver, but they tell me they can't find the kernel mdules?03:42
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LinuxJonesfin you can just "update-rc.d -f gdm remove" will prevent it from booting gdm03:42
jeremy1701I've installed the kernel source03:43
TongMasterelmo, http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages [ERROR]  sub-process gzip returned error code (1)03:43
jeremy1701What more do I need?03:43
TongMasterelmo, for restricted sources and packages as well. four in total03:43
daldermanjeremy1701, sorry, a bit out of my depth with this one, I have never tried with that hardware03:43
finand will changing remove to add re add it later?03:44
jeremy1701dalderman, thanks :)03:44
jeremy1701Anyone else know how to install kernel modules?03:44
elmoTongMaster: okay, thanks for testng.. I'm just ruling stuff out.. 03:44
Tjoklatcp samba.conf.example to samba.conf03:44
uttajeremy1701, what do you want to know?03:45
jeremy1701There are install scripts for the mach64 driver, but they tell me they can't find the kernel mdules?03:45
LinuxJonesutta, I have alsa-base, alsa-utils, gstreamer8.0-alsa and libpt-plugins-alsa installed03:45
daldermanjeremy1701, if they are compiled already modprobe03:45
Tjoklathi TongMaster :)03:45
jeremy1701I can get the error, brb03:45
TongMasterheya Tjoklat03:45
finya im having fun with my ess1879 sound! weee03:46
uttaLinuxJones, I checked a stock Debian install, and alsaconf is in the alsa-utils package. Time to post a bug I think...03:46
jeremy1701I'm back.03:46
jeremy1701Here's the error I get03:46
jeremy1701Makefile:169: *** Cannot find a kernel config file.  Stop.03:46
daldermanjeremy1701, you are missing the kernel-headers and / or kernel source package03:46
LinuxJonesutta, probably wouldn't hurt :D03:47
jeremy1701What's the command for apt-check and see if that's installed?03:47
uttajeremy1701, did you get the mach stuff as kernel-patch?03:48
daldermanyou can use aptitude and search using the / key03:48
jeremy1701No, I got it from retinalburn.com03:48
jeremy1701It's for the 2.6 kernel03:48
uttajeremy1701, do you have a set of kernel-sources?03:48
daldermanjeremy1701, do you have installed?03:48
daldermanjeremy1701, i.e. latest on Ubuntu?03:49
jeremy1701Latest Ubuntu03:49
jeremy1701I have kernel-sources installed03:49
daldermanjeremy1701, apt-get install linux-source-
daldermanjeremy1701, kernel-sources will give you 2.6.7... old03:50
uttajeremy1701, have you a symlink from /usr/src/linux pointing to /usr/src/kernel-source-xxx?03:50
jeremy1701dalderman, already installed03:50
jeremy1701utta, brb03:50
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jeremy1701utta, no03:50
jeremy1701utta, should I?03:51
daldermanjeremy1701, yes, assuming you have undone the tarball03:51
jeremy1701the tarball is unzipped and untared (?? is that a word :)03:52
daldermanjeremy1701, you have a symlink?03:52
jeremy1701But it's not kernel source, should it be linux-source03:53
jeremy1701I'll make it now03:53
daldermanjeremy1701, depends what one you installed, for some reason there is a kernel-source package (2.6.7) and a linux-source package (
daldermanjeremy1701, personally I would say make sure you are using linux-source as it matches the version of ther kernel you are running03:54
nictukujdub, sorry I lost my scroll history. Is your mail jeff.waugh AT canonical.com ?03:54
daldermannictuku, yeah03:54
nictukuthank you, dalderman.03:54
daldermannictuku, np03:54
jeremy1701The link is created, I'll try to run the script again03:55
daldermanjeremy1701, you may have to do one or two other things first, but we'll see03:55
jeremy1701same error03:56
daldermanjeremy1701, what was the error?03:56
jeremy1701Makefile:169: *** Cannot find a kernel config file.  Stop.03:56
jeremy1701What's a kernel config file?03:57
daldermanit's the file called .config that gets saved in the kernel source dir once you have configured it03:57
daldermancd /usr/src/linux03:57
daldermanmake menuconfig03:57
uttajeremy1701, you need a .config file in your kernel sources. Easiest is to fetch the config file from the /boot/grub dir, and copy to your linux-sources as .config03:57
daldermanjeremy1701, utta is right, that is easiest03:57
daldermanoo oo kernel is built :-)03:58
daldermanonly took about 45 mins....03:58
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toyowheelinok im back03:59
jeremy1701umm I don't seem to have a config file in /boot/grub03:59
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chutwigno menu.lst?03:59
chutwigmy bad03:59
jeremy1701okay, brb04:00
Se7hremind me04:00
Se7hwhere is the mount list file ?04:00
chutwigin /etc/fstab04:00
daldermanSe7h, which one?04:01
daldermanSe7h, current mounts, or what can be mounted by name?04:01
Se7hby name04:01
dalderman/etc/mtab for current, you want /etc/fstab04:01
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daldermanSe7h, no, just /etc/fstab04:02
jeremy1701Okay, I copied it as .config to my /usr/src/linux-source-2.6xxx/ and I get the same error04:02
Se7hi know its a .list file04:02
daldermanjeremy1701, time to read the Makefile and look for where it's looking for the kernel config04:02
theantixanyone else notice a problem with the trash applet not reporting any items in it?04:02
daldermanjeremy1701, as it sounds like it's not looking in the usual place, so you have to supply a parameter with it in?04:03
whiprushtheantix: when you hover over it you mean?04:03
daldermantheantix, works for me04:03
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whiprushalso works for me04:03
theantixwhiprush, no that works -- when you open it up04:03
daldermantheantix, works too04:03
whiprushme too04:03
theantixhovering shows the items, nautilus to ~/.Trash/ works also, but clicking on the trash applet shows nothing inside04:03
jeremy1701It's an install script, there's no paramters04:04
whiprushexcept the tooltip says "34 items", and the window in nautilus says "04:04
whiprush35 items"04:04
daldermanjeremy1701, without the script I can't say, sorry04:04
theantixI hate submitting bug reports when others can't reproduce them... but this is very odd04:05
treyh0what does the automounting in ubuntu?04:05
nictukuwwee only 29 hours left!04:06
daldermantreyh0, magic pixies ;-)04:06
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daldermantreyh0, sorry, not sure04:06
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WWtheantix: I might be seeing the same thing.04:07
daldermantreyh0, I am a RH9 convert so it's new to me too04:07
theantixww, nice to know I'm not going crazy... I'll file another bug report04:08
toyowheelinok so tell me...what would I have to add to the grub config file to have the option to start up windows XP with NTFS file system...I uncomented the example that is in the config but it says unknown filesystem04:08
WWtheantix: The icon shows not empty (looks like a blue package of french fries), hovering says 1 item, but click bring up an empty window.04:08
toyowheelinBTW XP is on the first partition of the hard drive04:09
theantixww, yup... exactly what i'm getting on two different machines04:09
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jeremy1701dalderman, I found the offending code, but it doesn't make sense to me04:16
jeremy1701 if [ -e Makefile.linux ] ; then04:16
jeremy1701                MAKEFILE=Makefile.linux04:16
jeremy1701        else04:16
jeremy1701                MAKEFILE=Makefile04:16
jeremy1701        fi04:16
jeremy1701        # Makefile.linux doesn't have a rule to build .ko-files for 2.6 kernels.        # They are somehow created automagically after $DRV_MODULE.o is built.04:16
jeremy1701        make -f $MAKEFILE $DRV_MODULE.o >& ../$LOGFILE_TMP04:16
jeremy1701Right here is were I get the error04:16
jeremy1701So it's either the Makefile or the $DRV_MODULE04:16
daldermandoes the files Makefile.linux exist>04:16
daldermanurgh, my tryping is going... it's late04:17
jeremy1701Not in the current directoy, no04:17
jeremy1701I wonder where it's supposed to come from04:17
daldermanit's the line make -f $MAKEFILE $DRV_MODULE.o >& ../$LOGFILE_TMP that s breaking04:17
daldermanit's a recursive call of make04:17
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WWI'm trying to add a launcher to the task bar for a program (Matlab).04:18
daldermanyou need to find the rule in the Makefile that creates the .o target04:18
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daldermanjeremy1701, look for a line that starts with somename.o:04:18
superjeffwhat's so cool about ubuntu?04:19
toyowheelinok grub gives me Filesystem type unknown, partition typw0x704:19
WWI put matlab in the command, but when I click on the icon, I only get the splash screen, and but I never see the app.04:19
nictukuin the governance page you could clarify that SABDFL is "Self-Appointed Benevolent Dictator For Life"...04:19
pantz_i have a real mozilla-firefox png that is the real logo - how would i go about finding out if the developers are interested in it?04:19
theantixtoyowheelin, can you adjust your hard drive to LBA in the bios?04:19
pantz_it looks much better than the generic icon04:19
WWIf I run from the command line with `matlab &` I get the splash screen, and the the matlab window.04:19
toyowheelinwhat will that do theantix04:19
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theantixtoyowheelin, well that resolved the problem for me yesterday04:20
theantixI read it on some SuSE forum and it solved it for Ubuntu as well04:20
toyowheelinhumm idk I could read my mobo book and see04:20
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theantixtoyowheelin, another solution they posted (which I didn't try) was to resize the partition04:21
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toyowheelinyeah well I wont be tring that ether04:21
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Se7his there a way  to see where is a device busy ?04:23
Se7humount: /media/ngage: device is busy04:23
Se7hhow do I see with what is it busy ?04:23
chutwiglsof = list open files04:24
tvon|X31lsof /media/ngage04:24
toyowheelinwell...it dosent look like it has an option for LBA04:24
WWSo... why would a program that runs fine from the command line not be able to open its window when launched from an icon?04:24
Se7hnothing returned04:24
theantixtoyowheelin, not in the hard drive type, which should be set to "auto" by default?04:25
bob2WW: what command line is the icon running?04:25
WWbob2: matlab04:25
bob2WW: look in ~/.xsession-errors to see if it's complaining04:26
toyowheelintheantix, well I doubt its an issue with the bios sice windows was working fine till I started using the grub bootloader04:26
WWbob2: It runs, and a get a graphical "splash", which goes away, but the main window never appears.04:26
Se7htvon|X31 nothing returned04:26
WWOK, I check it out.04:26
bob2WW: does it require some environment variables to be set or something?04:26
toyowheelinit was using lilo before04:26
bob2pantz_: you want to know if ubuntu would be interested?  you could ask on ubuntu-users.04:27
toyowheelinand that worked fine with the windows bootloader04:27
WWbob2: Aha: It appears to send its output there, and one of the messages that it prints is "Internal error: Could not determine the path of the MATLAB root directory"04:28
bob2WW: ah-hah04:28
axe9how do I burn CDs with linux?04:31
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theantixtoyowheelin, I know, it was working for me fine before also -- I'm just telling you that I had the same problem, and that is how I resolved it -- up to you if you want to try it04:33
brianso I heard about Ubutu on a forum, seems to do everything that I want Debian to do and a shiny new R51 Thinkpad showed up at my door today, so I give it a whirl, but I can't connecto to the internet or even ping a networked computer with the onboard NIC, an e1000, which shoudl be supported, anyone have any ideas, I know someone else around here was running Ubuntu on a laptop04:33
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uttabrianpuc, from the root terminal window, try modprobe e100004:34
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brianpucutta, ok, tried that, went back into networks, tried manually assingng the IP, and FTPing to a networked machine, doesn't work, tried to ping it, times out04:37
brianpucFWIW, the NIC does show up in the device manager04:38
uttabrianpuc, have a look in /var/log/syslog and see what you got when the module loaded04:39
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axe9Yeah, I need a CD burning program for linux04:40
jmhodgesuh.. should vim-gnome be purged from the repo's now that the vim package includes gvim?04:40
theantixaxe9, to burn what?04:40
uttaaxe9, use nautilus, comes by default in ubuntu04:41
theantixaxe9, are you trying to burn audio or data cds?  if data, utta is right, use nautilus (drag-n-drop or right-click on an .iso)04:42
brianpucutta:  kernel: e1000: Ignoring new-style parameters in presence of obselete ones04:43
brianpucutta:  kernel: Intel Netowkr Driver version 5.2.52-k404:43
brianpucutta:  kernel: Copyright 1999-2004 Interl Corp04:43
uttabrianpuc, hmmm never seen that message before - Ignoring etc...04:44
axe9I'll need audio too04:44
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uttabrianpuc, do an ifconfig and see what you get04:44
brianpucutta, me either, this is a new laptop, so i think the NIC just might be bad (I tried numerous cables known to work on ports on ym switch known to work)04:44
brianpuceth0 and lo are up accroding to ifconfig04:45
uttabrianpuc, do you get a MAC address attributed to the nic?04:45
brianpucutta, not according to ifconfig, however I can get the MAC address by going into the BIOS04:46
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brianpucutta, nevermind, I forgot HWaddr in ifconfig IS the MAC address04:46
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uttabrianpuc, you have driver badness http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+kernel:+e1000:+Ignoring+new-style+parameters+in+presence+of+obsolete+ones&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=2FnQS-1wt-13%40gated-at.bofh.it&rnum=104:48
brianpucutta, FWIW, during the install proccess it could not connect to the internet either, nor to sync to pool.ntp.org04:48
brianpucutta, ah, ok, thank you!04:49
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toyowheelinsweet... the LBA tip worked04:50
toyowheelinim in winxp now :)04:50
subterrificbrianpuc: you should open a bug for that in ubuntu's bugzilla04:51
subterrificreference that url for the patch in the bug report04:51
theantixtoyowheelin, glad it helped... I agree, it's a very odd solution04:52
Tjoklatanyone in here running dual boot?04:53
Tjoklatin nautilus.. my win drives show up, but when I click on them it gives me an error saying device is busy..04:53
Tjoklatyou got that too?04:53
brianpucsubterrific, sure, first though, I want to try a daily image, I remember reading a poast about someone using a thinkpad and it working out of the box04:54
toyowheelinumm hold on let me reboot to ubuntu04:54
subterrificbrianpuc: good idea, though not all thinkpads have the same nic04:54
subterrificand the person could have been using wireless04:54
wm_eddieAlmost everyone in my linux users group uses thinkpads :)04:55
brianpucsubterrific, true, I'll poke around some more, thank you both for your help, this has got to be the most helpful linux experience I've ever had04:55
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whiteknighthey, is it possible to get dri working with a Radeon 7500 in ubuntu, since it uses the older Xfree86?04:56
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toyowheelinok back04:56
Tjoklatwb toyo04:56
toyowheelinok it dosent see my windows partition in nautalis04:57
Tjoklatclick computer04:57
Tjoklatclick disks04:57
Tjoklatwith me it shows up there 04:58
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toyowheelincd-rom1 filesystem and network04:58
toyowheelinthats it04:58
Tjoklatmount: /dev/hda2 already mounted or /windows/D busy04:58
Tjoklatmount: according to mtab, /dev/hda2 is already mounted on /windows/D04:58
Tjoklatthat's the error I get04:58
toyowheelinwell I suppose I would need to mount it first04:58
Tjoklatcan't figure out what is wrong04:58
toyowheelinnot quite sure how to go about mounting my windows c drive04:59
toyowheelinTjoklat, how did you do it04:59
crevetteMiamhum I had the same troube today with Nautilus04:59
Tjoklatdo what toyo?05:00
TjoklatI put my win drives in fstab05:00
toyowheelinget your windows c drive mounted05:00
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Tjoklatbut I think the prob is that it is showing as a cdrom instead of an hd05:00
Tjoklatdid you get it fixed crevette?05:01
toyowheelinmount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows_c should work right?05:01
crevetteMiamTjoklat: I didn't solved it05:02
Tjoklatwonder if it is a bug or not05:02
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crevetteI will try tomorrow 05:02
bolivarooooohhhh the plugin installer in firefox 1.0 gives me warm fuzzies ; )05:02
Tjoklatit seems like it is trying to mount the drive, but it is already mounted05:02
toyowheelinit dont like me seeing the contents of the windows folder05:03
toyowheelinsays I dont have permissin05:03
Tjoklatwell I use those drives.. need to copy and such05:05
toyowheelinTjoklat, what dose your fstab entry look like for your windows mount05:05
Se7hhow can i see hlp files ?05:05
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toyowheelinlike as for options, dump and pass05:08
Tjoklat/dev/hda1       /windows/C      ntfs    ro,users,gid=users,umask=0002,iocharset=iso8859-1 0 005:08
toyowheelinis there a way to force a reload of fstab other than reboot05:11
theantixyes, you can umount and mount a partition as root (sudo umount /dev/hda1 ; sudo mount /dev/hda1)05:12
toyowheelintheantix, I tried that but when I do that it says that my normal user account dosent have the permission to access it05:13
theantixto run sudo?05:13
toyowheelinno to access the mounted drive05:13
theantixthat's why you run it via sudo05:14
toyowheelinYou do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "windows_c".05:16
toyowheelinand it says sudo: cd: command not found when I do sudo cd /media/windows_c05:18
theantixyeah, sudo cd doesn't work that well, because you lose your root privs when the command is over05:22
theantixto gain root, use "sudo su", then cd where you want05:22
phlaegelanybody tried installing cupsys-driver-gimpprint? it's broken for me...05:22
toyowheelinok cool thank you theantix05:24
pantz_bob2, sorry bob - just got back - do you mean an irc channel ubuntu-users?05:24
toyowheelincool I can see my windoze partition05:25
TjoklatI think I am going to add noauto in fstab05:29
Tjoklatand see what it does then05:29
toyowheelinim gonna compile me some etherape05:29
toyowheelinunless it is availible with the distro05:30
Tjoklatwhat is that toyo?05:31
toyowheelinits pronounced ether-ape05:31
Tjoklatand what does it do?05:31
toyowheelingraphically displays network activity05:32
Tjoklatoh never heard about it05:32
toyowheelingoogle it real quick you might like it05:33
TjoklatI will, thanks :)05:33
toyowheelinthats a screen shot05:33
Tjoklatchecking it out right nonw05:34
toyowheelinim actually really supprised that its not included with the os05:34
Tjoklatit may in the official release05:35
toyowheelinthis is beta?05:35
toyowheelinoh heh05:35
Tjoklatthe offical is Hoary05:35
toyowheelinworks damn good for a beta05:36
Tjoklathear hear05:36
phlaegelno, the official is warty in month. hoary is six months after that.05:36
Tjoklatblew me away05:36
subterrifictoyowheelin: that doesn't seem like an app you'd put on a desktop system05:36
toyowheelinit is05:36
toyowheelintrust me05:36
TjoklatI stand corrected sorry toyo05:36
toyowheelinits fun05:36
toyowheelineh its ok05:36
subterrificno really, it isn't05:36
Tjoklatbut it's not the official release05:36
Tjoklatthe one we are on05:37
toyowheelinsubterrific, ok well you dont install etherape but im going to 05:37
subterrificand you can05:37
subterrificbut it isn't something that should be included by default05:37
toyowheelinsubterrific, it should be availible05:37
phlaegelit's in universe05:37
subterrificit is05:38
phlaegelno way is it a typical desktop app05:38
toyowheelinoh well im gonna compile its been a while sice I did some serious compiling 05:38
TjoklatI am still reluctant of adding universe05:38
Tjoklatis it 'save'05:38
TjoklatI want gtktalog so bad05:38
crimsunit's safe, yes.05:39
theantixyes, it works fine for me ... just not "supported" so don't complain if it's broken expecting a quick fix =)05:39
TjoklatI am just so happy with my box after a faulty deb box for a year.. don't want to mess it up05:39
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crimsuni'm very pleased with the three ubuntu boxes running here05:42
Tjoklatgot two up and doing the third now (laptop)05:42
theantixcrimsun, me too with three boxes also =)05:42
Tjoklatgot my whole family to switch already :)05:42
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toyowheelinres_mkquery anyone know where to find this05:44
subterrificno e05:45
toyowheelinsynaptic package manager cant find it05:46
Tjoklatapt-file search toyo05:46
Tjoklatsudo apt-get install apt-file05:46
Tjoklatsudo apt-file update05:46
Tjoklatand then search05:46
toyowheelingreg@amd64linux ~/etherape-0.9.1 $ sudo apt-get install apt-file05:46
toyowheelinReading Package Lists... Done05:46
toyowheelinBuilding Dependency Tree... Done05:46
toyowheelinE: Couldn't find package apt-file05:46
toyowheelinoh wups05:47
toyowheelinno install05:47
toyowheelinno wait05:47
toyowheelinI was right05:47
Tjoklatis it in universe?05:47
toyowheelini dont know05:47
TjoklatI do an apt-file search on my sid box for now, haven't done it on Ubuntu05:48
toyowheelinwhere is univers05:48
Tjoklatwhat file are you looking for? I'll look for you05:48
Tjoklatsynaptic preferences repositories05:48
toyowheelinoh ok05:48
TjoklatI'll check hold05:48
punkassthe only thing i dont like about ubuntu is there is nothin to do after you install it :)05:49
Tjoklatlibc6 toyo05:49
punkasseverything just seems to work..05:49
toyowheelinalready installed Tjoklatbut yet the configure script fails05:49
Tjoklatdpkg-reconfigure nameofpackage05:50
punkassconfigure: error: Library requirements (pygtk-2.0) not met;05:51
punkassanyone know what package i need for that?05:51
Tjoklatapt-file search LOL05:51
toyowheelinpeople startin the compilin05:52
punkasswell ihave python-gtk2 and python-gtk2-dev05:52
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toyowheelinwell it still fails with the libresolv installed humm05:56
toyowheelindamn I guess there is updates daily...06:04
toyowheelinjust hit mark all upgrade after doing a refresh06:05
toyowheelinand hit apply06:05
toyowheelinlike 30Meg worth of updates06:05
theantixyeah, a lot in the past few days06:05
Tjoklatah but at least you don't have to update libmagick ten times a day :)06:05
Tjoklat<-- traumatized06:06
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Parisi|awayIm back.06:06
Tjoklatand still away?06:06
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Tjoklatsidd thing toyo06:06
Tjoklatthe guy that maintains libmagick can't get it right06:06
Tjoklatnot even after two years06:06
Tjoklathe manages to put an 'update' out every four hours or so and still not working06:07
toyowheelinprobabally not updates maybe just a cvs archive that takes a snapshot every 4 hours06:07
TjoklatI don't know, he is pretty dense.. I sent him a patch for libmagick06:08
Tjoklatbut he choices to ignore it06:08
Tjoklatand keep putting 'updates' out06:08
toyowheelinwhat dose libmagick do06:08
punkassconfigure: error: Library requirements (pygtk-2.0) not met;06:09
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punkassi have python-gtk2 and python-gtk2-dev installed06:09
toyowheelinpunkass, configure: error: No resolver library found06:09
toyowheelinlol I cant figure out what im missing06:10
punkasswhat are u trying to compile?06:10
punkasswhy not use apt?06:10
toyowheelindont think it has it06:11
punkassEtherApe is an etherman clone. It displays network activity06:11
punkassyeah its there06:11
punkassdo u have universe on as a repository?06:11
punkassthat might be why06:11
punkassi just searched for ether in synaptic and it came up06:12
toyowheelinpunkass, whats the URI for universe06:12
punkassi have 4th and 2nd from the bottom checked...(for repostitories06:12
punkassits already there06:12
toyowheelinoh ok06:13
toyowheelinok I have to turn off the main one and turn on universe?06:14
toyowheelinok there installed it06:15
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punkassgood stuff06:15
punkassyeah u can just select the one with universe06:15
punkasscuz it has main and restricted in it too06:15
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punkassoh and keep the security one06:16
toyowheelinoh ok06:16
toyowheelinis univers gonna break stuff if I use it06:16
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punkasswell its...ubuntu pakages that arent fully supported06:16
Agrajaghey guys, question. Is there an apt source I can add that would have a versionof libdvdread with decryption support?06:17
punkassso the chance is higher that i could break something06:17
punkassAgrajag: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main 06:17
punkassshould do it06:17
toyowheelinwell maybe I should just use it for "non-important" stuff06:17
Agrajagthanks, I'll try it06:17
punkassmight wanna double check tho06:17
Agrajagseems to be a valid source at least06:19
toyowheelincan I make the cdrom not a source06:19
toyowheelinwell cool... because im tired of the cd 06:20
toyowheelinI like the net :)06:20
punkassyes...and its always more upto date06:21
toyowheelinand faster06:21
punkassyeah the cd is a pain06:21
toyowheelinubuntu has some FAST servers'06:22
punkassyeah..its really nice06:22
toyowheelinGet:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main nmap 3.50-1 [444kB] 06:22
punkassnothin worse than trying to do updates or installs from a small server06:22
toyowheelinhell yeah06:22
toyowheelinLOVE cable06:23
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toyowheelinamd64linux:/home/greg# mount -t smbfs -o username=greg //main-pc/Shared\ Documents /mnt/mp3/06:27
toyowheelinmount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //main-pc/Shared Documents,06:27
toyowheelin       or too many mounted file systems06:27
toyowheelinwhats with that06:27
yojimbo-sanHelp! my panels have all vanished! I've rebooted, upgraded, tried again, but I don't have any panels at all :-( anyone know how to start them up again?06:28
theantixyojimbo-san, what happens when you run gnome-panel from the terminal06:29
yojimbo-sanerrm ... they come back? :-)06:30
igsterman, put that in an faq06:30
toyowheelinnevermind I got it worked out06:30
yojimbo-sanThanks theantix06:30
igstertoyowheeling as in toyota?06:30
theantixno problem yojimbo-san06:31
toyowheelinyeah igster06:31
yojimbo-sanexellent - when I quit gnome-panel from the cmsline, sessions correctly restarts them. I wonder why they died? never mind :-)06:31
ParisiIs there any way to fix the driver Totem uses to play videos? Its totally screwed on my laptop.06:31
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ParisiPerhaps using a different driver it will fix it?06:31
toyowheelinigster, put what in a FAQ?06:32
yojimbo-sanParisi: are you using totem-gstreamer or totem-xine?06:32
Parisiyojimbo-san, 1 sec..06:32
yojimbo-santotem-xine worked much better for my machine ... but it's not the default.06:32
ParisiIt flashes pink lines on the screen and wierd lines with the movie, bunch of wierd artifacts..06:32
Parisii see..06:32
ParisiHow do i know which one im using?06:34
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yojimbo-sandpkg -l totem*06:34
Parisiii  totem    A simple media player for the Gnome desktop06:35
Parisirc  totem-gstreame    A simple media player for the Gnome desktop06:35
Parisiii  totem-xine  06:35
ParisiI must have 3 different ones.06:35
Agrajaganyone know what package I need for libdvdnav to play encypted DVDs?06:35
punkassif u install totem-xine it removes totem-gstreamer06:35
yojimbo-sanOK, you only have the xine one - gstreamer is "rc" which means it's been removed06:35
punkassAgrajag that didnt work?06:36
ParisiI see.06:36
Agrajagpunkass: I don't think so, maybe I'm not doing something right06:36
yojimbo-sanDo you have an nvidia card on your machine?06:36
Agrajagit said libdvdread3 was already at the latest version06:36
punkassyou need libdvdcss206:36
AgrajagI don't know what package has encryption support06:37
Agrajagoh ok06:37
punkassthats what i use to watch dvds06:37
Agrajagthat did it06:38
ParisiFunny it only shows the wierd artifacts when on window mode, full screen is fine.06:39
punkasshow do i add a custom applet to a panel?06:39
ParisiLet me see if mplayer it 06:39
Parisimplayer does it*06:39
yojimbo-sanParisi: are you using an nVidia card?06:40
ParisiNo, Intel 815 i believe.06:40
ParisiIts a Sony VAIO laptop.06:40
yojimbo-sanOK, then I'm afraid that I don't have anything useful to suggest :-(06:40
ParisiOk, mplayer plays wonderful.06:41
ParisiIts  Totem issue.06:41
ParisiIts a*06:41
ParisiAnd i cant see to find any video settings for it, lame.06:41
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diemandaniels: now all you need to do is port the x.org i915 driver to the current x server ;)06:52
danielsdieman: ha ha ha 06:53
danielsoh man06:53
danielsdon't even joke about that.06:53
diemanits only like 20-30 defines06:53
diemanin the code06:53
diemani checked it outlast week06:53
diemani might do it myself if im forced into it06:53
diemanbut 2d only06:53
danielshey man, if you drop me a patch against 4.3, i'll think about integrating it06:53
diemanbut i got lucky06:53
diemanand the boxes we got had ati pcie cards that the fglrx driver could be forced into working with06:54
diemanand the other boxes will have nvidia06:54
danielsi just got badly burnt off trying to do r4xx support (the new upsteam code is broken wrt detecting powerpc vbios)06:54
diemanim going to try and not get any of the i915 integrated video stuff until its supported.06:54
diemanso ive got a i915 based machine at work like, working06:54
diemanim pretty impressed06:54
diemancomplete with ati x300 pcie video06:55
punkassis there a how-to out there for makeing applets for 2.8?06:56
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wm_eddieI hear they are going to remake the applet api for 2.10.06:59
wm_eddieFrom the looks of what they have so far, they are thinking about making applets and notification area icons very similar, in fact probably making all applets notification area programs.07:00
punkasswell i guess they are almost one in the same07:01
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joemthey aren't making applets notification area progs07:02
joempeople were upset that there were to many notification area programs that should have been applets07:03
joemso there is a notification area spec now07:03
joemI don't know if the whole panel being a notify area would work very well07:04
wm_eddieYou are probably right.07:06
punkasswell i dont know much about all this stuff...but i want to start to hack together a wifi applet07:06
wm_eddieisn't there a wifi applet?07:06
punkasssort off07:06
punkassbut not what i want07:06
punkassive found howtos for 2.4 just not 2.6/2.807:07
wm_eddieahh, whell grab the source code of the wifi applet and extend it.07:07
joemthere are a few wifi applets07:07
joemnetapplet is the new one from novel07:07
punkassyeah i was just starting to look at it?07:07
punkassoh yeah?07:07
joemthat one is actually a notification app07:07
joemI know some guys at redhat are working on network manager07:08
punkasshmm yeah that looks more like what i want to do07:08
joemsort of like an applet version of that07:08
wm_eddieinteresting I have to download that next time I'm at my laptop07:09
wm_eddiebut now I really need to sleep...07:09
punkassi want an applet that will scan wifi and notify when one is found, then be able to click it and enter WEP etc and connect 07:09
wm_eddiethat would be awesome!07:09
wm_eddieI swich a lot from Pitt's wifi to panera's wifi.07:10
wm_eddieI made a script to switch between the two...07:10
wm_eddieall it does is change the essid and removes the wep key.07:11
theantixI got netapplet working on ubuntu, but it still relies on the g-s-t network tool that doesn't have the ability to set the essid and key07:12
wm_eddieI'll hack it to use my scripts!07:13
theantixif you want to see it, grab the source and the patch from the debian package, and compile it... I'm afraid it's not all that useful though :-/07:13
punkasswell that was my plan...but i havent a clue what i am doing so it should be interesting07:13
wm_eddiewhat language is it in? c#?07:13
theantixnot sure, I didn't check07:14
theantix./configure; make; make install ;-)07:14
wm_eddiewell I'll have to find out.07:14
wm_eddiethen probably not C#07:14
wm_eddiemaybe C++ or C.07:14
joemif you are talking about netapplet07:15
wm_eddieyay, I don't know C++ :)07:15
joemthe code is really well laid out07:15
joemyou could easily modify it to use your script07:15
joemwe modified it to use gentoo init scripts07:16
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wm_eddiemust sleep...07:16
punkasswell i am going to try mine in python...07:16
wm_eddiedamn, why did the linux world have to get all interesting once school started :(07:16
theantixjoem, how did you get it to set the different wireless networks?07:16
joemit requires wirelesstols-0.27 or something07:17
joemand ueses those07:17
diemani just use ifupdown-roam, still07:17
diemanjoem: what laptop?07:18
diemanjoem: (for the widescreen)07:18
diemanoh, no, its not widescreen07:18
diemanmy eyes fooled me :)07:18
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joemjust an illusion07:18
joemcause I stretched the term a bit07:19
diemanyeah, i guess07:19
diemani love my 1280x768 screen07:19
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theantixjoem, I mean the interface for entering wireless -- on gentoo does it use g-s-t or something else?07:20
joemwhat do you mean by entering wireless?07:20
punkasshmm can figure out how the wireless-C.omf finds the exectuables for the applet07:20
joemthe way it was modified for gentoo was when you switch between connections, it uses their init scripts to bring the connections up and down07:21
theantixah, so it's not as useful for switchign between different wireless networks?07:21
joemno it does, it uses the wireless tools package to switch07:22
joembut that isn't gentoo specific, that is how the app works07:22
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WWHas anybody upgraded recently and had problems in Gnome?  I know someone said their panels disappeared... that has now happened to me.07:29
WWRunning gnome-panel gives me an error.07:30
joemWW, what error?07:30
WWThe error window says "I've detected a panel already running and will now exit."07:31
WWThe output at the terminal says "Gtk-WARNING **:  Ignoring the separator setting"07:32
WWAlso wierd: I had rhymbox running (iconified) when I upgraded. Some time after upgrading, I discovered that the icon that was supposed to be in the bar at the bottom of the screen was gone.07:33
WWBut rhymbox was still there, playing.07:34
joemWW, try removing gnome-panel from your session,killing it and then launch it07:34
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WWI know the kill command, but what do you mean about removing it from my session?07:35
Dr_Williswindow managers/desktops often keep a 'session' of programs to restart when started again07:36
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Dr_Willisie: your windows/editor/tools will all get autmatically reran07:36
Dr_Williswhen you next log in07:36
nickersalrighty quick question....did install in qemu on my gentoo box....no startx command?07:36
nickersi log in but cant do startx....X pulls just server07:37
nickerstelinit 5 no good either07:37
WWjoem, Dr_Willis: But how do I remove gnome-panel from my "session"?07:37
Dr_WillisGnome - has a session manager tool somewhere in its control panel I think07:37
Dr_Willisthat lists all running programs. find it.. delete it from the session.07:37
Dr_Willisbuy gnome panel is a core part of gnome :P why ya want to remove it?07:38
nickersdo an alt-F2 and type gnome-system-monitor07:38
nickersold windows three finger salute style07:38
nickersor pull up console.... ps aux | grep gnome-panel07:38
nickerskill PID07:38
joemremoving it from the session just means it won't keep trying to respawn or autostart07:38
joemso killing it won't help unless you remove it from the current session for the time being07:39
WWDr_Willis: My panels are gone after upgrading, and simply running gnome-panel gives an error. joem suggested removing gnome-panel from my session.07:39
Dr_WillisWW,  perhaps remove your .gnome dir/settings and let it remake all the configs from scratch also.07:39
WWjoem: But I don't know what it means to remove it from my session... edit a file?  07:39
joemthat seems a bit much07:39
Dr_Willisthe sessionis a list of runnign programs.07:40
joemWW, your session is like your current working environment07:40
Dr_Willisthat control-tool will remove it fromt ehre.07:40
joemgo to the computer menu-desktop prefs-sessions07:40
WWjoem: I have no menus, except right-click on the desk top.  The top and bottom panels are not there.07:41
joemheh oh yea07:41
joemrun that07:41
WWjoem: Should I just kill gnome-panel and run it again?07:42
nickersesh seems like i didnt get my gnome install....dumb debian07:42
nickersis there a bug where the default install might not install gnome?07:42
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WWjoem: According to gnome-session-properties, gnome-panel is not in my Current Session.07:43
WWjoem: But ps aux shows that gnome-panel is running.07:44
joemtry killall gnome-panel then07:44
theantixjoem, you were totally right... netapplet works brilliantly -- it didn't seem to do anythign for me yesterday because I was only on a wired connection07:45
bdaleit appears the warty preview installer for i386 isn't prepared to handle a usb keyboard?07:45
punkasstheantix: tell me more?07:45
joemtheantix, cool07:46
WWjoem: OK, I killed it. Then ran gnome-panel, and the panels returned, but I forgot the & at the end. So I ctrl-C, and the panels flicked but came back.  Looks like I'm back in business. But that was weird.07:46
theantixpunkass... you can input an essid and key via a nice gui07:47
joemWW, cool07:47
joemmake sure to save your session now so panel starts up next time you login07:47
punkassdoes it scan for networks?07:47
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WWjoem: But I don't want everything that is currently running to start up automatically.07:48
joemwell at one point, run only the things you want to start up at login and then gnome-session-save07:49
WWjoem: OK, thanks much.  'night y'all.07:49
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theantixpunkass, doesn't seem to, but I'm not entirely sure07:49
theantixwill check, brb07:50
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punkasstheantix: did u just get the deb package for it?07:51
theantixno, the deb package failed to resolve for me, I took the debian package source, patched it, then compiled it07:52
theantixalso, it seems to have rudimentary scanning, you can keep hitting "other" to find new networks07:52
theantixnot brilliant though, unless I'm doing it wrong -- not up to the OSX/XP wireless switchers quite yet07:53
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vasibig thank you to the ubuntu devs, especially the ppc folks...i've never seen a better install procedure07:54
punkasswell i still may 'play' around trying to set something up07:54
punkassit will be a learning experience07:54
theantixlearning is always good =)07:55
punkasssometimes hurts my brain tho07:55
punkassi sure am diggin' this new 2.807:56
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gabebCouple little questions: is there any reason why mono, mono-develop, etc. are not in the 'main' repo yet?  Or why xpdf is used for pdf instead of gpdf?08:12
gabebNo big deal; just curious.08:12
Tsjoklatsome issues with multi printing gabeb08:13
theantixI realize this doesn't answer your question, but I think both of your questions will be resolved in the next release08:13
Tsjoklatgpdf that is08:13
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theantixGeez... report a bug and within a few hours it's fixed.  Nice!08:34
joebeastiewhat bug?08:35
theantixwith the trashapplet, #168108:36
Tsjokla1what was wrong with it?08:36
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theantixTsjoklal, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=168108:37
Tsjokla1lemme check08:37
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eazel7sorry guys, but I think there are bugs in the gnome-panel patchset08:38
eazel7how can I rebuild the gnome-panel?08:39
Tsjokla1ah if only the icon would look normal now08:39
Tsjokla1it is all mini08:39
Tsjokla1pushed in08:39
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Tsjokla1only the gnome trashcan icon looks okay08:39
Tsjokla1the rest looks horrid08:39
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eazel7the panel here freezes, and cannot logout08:40
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eazel7and if I restart bv hitting ctrl+alt+backspace the gnome can't be started again because the gnome-panel & friends keeps misteriously running08:40
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vasiis yelp supposed to be able to view man pages? it doesn't seem to be happening here09:08
joemyelp doesn't view man pages09:11
eazel7isn't it supposed to do it?09:12
joemapplications have html documentation generated from xml by what ever dockbook stuff gnome uses09:13
joemand style etc..09:13
goatboy_it's on the todo, but yelp doesn't support man pages for now.09:14
joemman pages don't really fit in with yelp09:14
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vasioooh this works though...09:18
vasiopenman () {09:19
vasiyelp man:`man -w $1` &09:19
vasithat's at least somewhat useful....09:19
crimsunthis is great09:20
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crimsuni have ubuntu running in vmware workstation, and i'm using it to access my home client :)09:21
joemvasi, nice09:21
crimsunsure beats using xp ;)09:21
vasijoem, yelp still displays some things kinda ugly though :-(09:21
vasii just spent two days installing gentoo....took me < 30 mins to get up and running with ubuntu with nearly everything working (monitor wasn't properly detected)09:22
vasii am SOOO impressed09:22
joemheh yea09:23
joemit is quicker then gentoo as well09:23
vasippc support in linux distributions is usually horrible...09:24
vasihmmm...firefox seems buggy, the little find-bar on the bottom of the window won't work :-/09:24
theantixvasi, that's already in the bugzilla09:25
vasitheantix, good to hear....sorry for griping!09:25
interovasi: i thought ppc was good with linux09:26
theantixvasi... no need to apologize, I was just letting you know =)09:26
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theantixI'm kind of surprised that the OOo quickstarter applet isn't in main -- it makes OpenOffice *so much* more bearable09:29
vasiintero, it CAN be...but distros usually get it horribly wrong09:29
vasitypical experience is rebooting and finding out that X won't work, neither will sound or my wireless card...and so i'm left with a console09:30
vasiubuntu has been perfect so far09:32
joemI have been singing the praises of ubuntu for the last few days09:33
joemreally impresses me09:33
vasiwoops, mol isn't installable!09:33
vasilemme check bugzilla first :-)09:33
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vasiargh, need to install -psm before moz will let me see bugzilla....yeesh09:36
rviraniI sent an email to the users list like a month ago and I still havent heard back as to whether it was approved09:36
vasithank goodness for synaptic09:36
rviraniI installed ubuntu-ppc on my brand-new ibook 12.1" G4 and when I boot the screen just flickers09:37
rviraniI mean it boots properly and all but as soon as it goes to fire up X the screen just flickers09:37
vasirvirani, have you tried 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86'?09:37
rviraniany ideas?09:37
vasiit will walk you through configuring your X, which may or may not help09:38
rviranivasi, nope09:38
rviraniI dont think that is the problem I think its a driver issue09:38
rviranineeds a patch I just dont know which one09:38
rviraniany ideas?09:40
convertorjust 4 the record ubuntu rocks - i have always hated installing debian but this is sweet as.....on i386 and ppc machines i have installed on....even in expert mode it works nicely...[esp 1st distro,,,]  anyway no more blowing wind up....09:40
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linux_mafiaany new zealand ubuntu users here?09:50
danielsno kiwis that I know of here at the moment, but a couple just over the creek09:52
linux_mafiathink i must be the only one09:53
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danielsnah, there are two or three that I know of09:53
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linux_mafiai saw on the users mailing list, mark shuttleworth mentions a "multiverse" source, whats in there? 10:20
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Qerublinux_mafia: universe?10:24
Qerublinux_mafia: that should be "debian(main) - ubuntu(main)" then.10:24
danielsmultiverse is stuff that would normally go to universe that isn't nevessarily fully free wrt licencing, siui10:24
Qerublinux_mafia: ignore me :-)10:24
danielsQerub: hello10:24
Qerubdaniels: greetings10:24
linux_mafiadaniels, is it enabled yet?10:26
danielslinux_mafia: i'm not sure, sorry, but i don't think so10:27
linux_mafiadaniels, you daniel stone?10:27
Qerublinux_mafia: good guess :-)10:29
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Qerublinux_mafia: 10:30 -!-  ircname  : Daniel Stone10:30
Qerubdaniels: about multiverse... is that stuff from contrib or non-free or stuff from main?10:31
linux_mafiadaniels, im using your, or are they fabio's? updated x packages, no problems here, primo, thanks man10:31
danielslinux_mafia: fabio and I work together on X; what sort of card do you have?10:32
danielsQerub: stuff from contrib/non-free, as i understand it10:32
linux_mafiadaniels, onboard geforce mx440, on a soltek mobo10:32
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danielslinux_mafia: the nVidia stuff is all Fabio's work -- thank him :)10:34
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danielsfabbione: better than radeon_bios.c :\10:35
linux_mafiafabbione, are you real buff, with shoulder length hair, and a judge dredd jaw? heh10:35
fabbionelinux_mafia: no.. :-)10:36
fabbionegimme a sec i will put a pic of me online10:36
linux_mafiafabbione, just being cheeky, ;)10:36
linux_mafiai wish someone would make an xmame package, maybe i could try myself, hmmm10:37
Qerublinux_mafia: there is a xmame package in debian...10:37
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linux_mafiaQerub, i'm aware of that, just dont want to use more debian proper stuff than i have to ;)10:38
Qerublinux_mafia: ...and you can rebuild it for ubuntu.10:39
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calcisn't universe debian proper stuff? ;)10:39
linux_mafiaQerub, guess thats the kind of package that wouldnt interfere to much with the infrastructure of an install anyway10:39
linux_mafiacalc, some i think, but some packages in there have a ubuntu suffix10:40
calcaiui it was just rebuilt from debian packages10:40
linux_mafiawhats aiui?10:41
linux_mafiaas i understand it?10:41
seb128if packages have a ubuntu version that's because we made some changes/fixes10:41
fabbionethat's how i look right now10:41
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linux_mafiafabbione, dude thats unreal, you look just like me10:42
fabbionelinux_mafia: no shit... you look like me10:43
calcbecause you are just a figment of his imagination? ;)10:44
pisukeheh a great unix hacker must wear a beard10:44
linux_mafiapisuke, yes, its a pre-req of being a dirty gnu hippy, ala stallman and cox, haha10:45
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linux_mafiafabbione, here is my pic, its not a goody, plus you have way more hair than me http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/maxb/10:52
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hypatiaI hope "Find Next" in firefox is fixed soon :(10:57
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eddnod, firefox seems less stable at the moment10:59
Treenakstheantix: not _yet_... muahahahaha10:59
eddalthough i think eventually gnome should prolly go with firefox, it has been getting a little crashy11:00
linux_mafiadoes anyone still use galeon?11:00
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grondohow do I'm supposed to upgrade ubuntu?11:01
Treenaksgrondo: your choice..11:01
linux_mafiagrondo, either11:01
grondoI mean... there's no ubuntu specific tool to upgrade, right?11:01
linux_mafiagrondo, you mean like up2date in rh or something?11:02
grondook thanks11:02
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grondoerr... what's that 'universe' entry in sources.list?11:03
grondodebian sid?11:03
hypatiaedd: it's always been more crashy for me than epiphany11:03
hypatiaedd: but you're right, the current version is particularly so11:03
hypatiagrondo: a debian sid build from some weeks back11:04
cyatesHi all, I have a *real* problem with my Compaq Presario R3000 with regard to X.  The screen is corrupted and as a result the consoles are all corrupted.  I have followed all the docs and tried the NVIDIA driver from NVIDIA, but still no luck.  The graphics card is a Geforce4 Go.  Any ideas?11:04
hypatiagrondo: minus any packages that didn't build at that time11:04
grondohypatia, thanks. I will stay with plain ubuntu packages for now11:05
hypatiagrondo: it's unsupported and won't get security fixes11:05
hypatiaalthough there seems to be some move towards allowing users to upload new packages to it after some approval process. I don't know the details.11:05
cyatesAny ideas to my previous request?  Please :)11:08
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grondois it safe to upgrade gnome packages with synaptic (that means while running gnome)?11:08
Treenakswhy not..11:09
pisukei did it.11:10
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pisukebut one it finished i loged out and in11:10
grondowell, cause it's like changing gnome files/lib and so on while using it11:10
cyatesgrondo: sure, but the new packages won't replace existing ones in memory, so logging out and logged back in is probably a good bet11:10
grondopisuke, of course I will11:10
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hypatiayeah, it's safe11:12
hypatiaI suppose the only risk is if they change actual settings11:12
hypatiaexisting processes will continue running against old libraries until they end11:13
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carlosnpmccallum: good work with ubuntu-sounds11:15
linux_mafiacarlos, are they african noises?11:15
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carloslinux_mafia: I think so :-)11:16
grondowhat about apt-listbugs in ubuntu? is there a BTS to check before upgrades?11:17
grondois there some integration with BTS and upgrade tools (apt and so on)?11:18
thomhypatia: it seems that FindAsYouType is broken in most distros, currently :/11:18
thombut it works fine in the moz.org binary release11:19
fabbionethom: at least that's not a X XKB problem ;)11:20
fabbionethat makes me kinda happy11:21
grondofabbione, non c' apt-listbugs in ubuntu?11:22
hypatiathom: Even Ctrl+G seems to be broken though11:23
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thomits all the same brokenness11:23
thomnot helped by the fact that the firefox automake system appears to be broken11:23
Treenaksany idea when firefox 1.0 final (or a new RC) will be released?11:23
hypatiain fact, the Ctrl-F dialog doesn't seem to find anything at all, ever.11:23
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hypatiaor if it does, it isn't highlighting it :)11:24
hypatiawhich is pretty much the same thing11:24
Treenakshypatia: the "highlight" button works..11:24
Treenaksbut that's about the only thing..11:24
linux_mafiasame here11:25
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linux_mafiawido, hows our bt address app coming ;)11:31
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za-ka-riaubuntu rocks!11:37
linux_mafiaza-ka-ria, back and forth?11:37
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danielsholy shit! my multimedia buttons automatically got bound to rhythmbox actions11:56
danielsthat is too cool.11:56
Treenakshm, my multimedia buttons don't work unless I first send some magic code to the keyboard :(11:56
linux_mafiadaniels, my ones did too, its rad aye, what kbd you got, ive got a genius something11:57
danielsi've got a logitech desotk pro or something11:59
danielshad to set the xkb variant manually, but eh11:59
Treenaksdaniels: it should be possible to detect the USB keyboards automagically12:00
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danielsTreenaks: not the wireless ones12:00
Treenaksdaniels: true.. but the other ones?12:01
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ondrejg'day...  bugzilla is broken :-(12:54
cefanyone know wether ubuntu will support broadcom wireless out of the box.. my guess (considering the status broadcom have taken to linux) is a big no....12:54
seb128ondrej: hello. Yes, I've just noticed that12:55
ondrejI wanted to fill bug about adding python-glade2 meta package to main seed...12:55
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daldermanhi guys12:58
daldermanI am seeing some errors when performing updates with aptitude12:59
dalderman** (process:6535): CRITICAL **: file eggdesktopentries.c: line 2226 (egg_desktop_entries_add_group): assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed12:59
daldermanIs this known about?12:59
daldermanhappened during the gimp upgrade specifically12:59
justdaveondrej: should be fixed now.01:00
justdaveI was updating it, and had a patch slip in that shouldn't have and toasted it for a minute or two01:00
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ondrejwill you also fix certificate mess and including http:// image in https:// pages?01:02
thomjustdave: you need to style the pulldown menus, they look awful right now01:03
justdaveI don't have access to fix the certificate01:03
seb128justdave: is there any way to get a NEEDINFO status ?01:03
justdaveseb128: there is one01:03
seb128oh yes01:03
justdaveseb128: that was part of the update I just did01:03
seb128that's new01:03
thomjustdave: YAY!!!!!01:03
cefwhy is it that laptops seem to either have really good processors and shit radios, or shit processors and really good radios.. *sigh*01:04
seb128thanks a lot01:04
thomassign to me! rock!01:04
justdavethom can probably fix the certificate01:04
mjg59cef: Radios?01:04
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cefmjg59: wireless01:05
justdavehmm, http content in the https....  forgot about that01:05
mjg59Ah, right01:05
mjg59In general, you can change the wireless01:05
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mjg59But Intel stuff is pretty well supported now01:05
thomjustdave: being able to click anywhere on the bug in the search page would be nice, too01:05
thomrather than just the number01:05
cefmjg59: eg: I can get a laptop with an amd64 cpu but with a broadcom chipset01:05
hiweedhey carlos01:05
cefmjg59: or I can get a Pentium M (slow) with an IPW220001:06
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hiweedare you the buddie named carlos on site linuxsir.org/bbs ?01:06
carloshiweed: hi01:06
carloshiweed: no, I'm not01:06
hiweedoh sorry...01:06
carloshiweed: no problem01:06
mjg59Hrm. Nobody sells amd64 with atheros?01:06
justdavehmm, ubuntulinux.org does do https, except the certificate belongs to another domain, and it's password-protected01:07
cefmjg59: not sure.. atheros has decent non-binary linux support now?01:07
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mjg59No, it's partially binary01:07
justdaveso much for borrowing css from the main website01:07
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mjg59You can always throw an old prism2 part in :)01:07
ceffirmware blob for the card or actual code that executes on the cpu?01:07
cefyeeah I've got a few cards like that.. but it's annoying01:08
cefthe real annoying thing is, the AMD64 is cheaper than the pentium M machine01:08
mjg59The Atheros stuff is actual code that executes on the host CPU01:08
mjg59But the rest of the driver is open01:08
pereI just used updated to firefox 0.99+1.0PRubuntu. Suddenly find (as in ctrl+find) isnt working. Anyone else experienced that?01:09
cefahh that's bad for me.. I'm trying to find a full free code only solution01:09
Treenakspere: almost everyone, yes01:09
cefmjg59: least, something that if necessary I can run with free drivers for everything.. 01:09
pere..:-) OK. Thanks. Just have to wait for a fix then..:-)01:09
MacPlusG3cef: there's the prism54 stuff - it's a binary firmware that's loaded to the device - but i view this as better than firmware-on-flash as it means i can actually update it :)01:09
mjg59Yeah. At the moment that's either Intel or Prism54 01:09
cefmjg59: and oddly enough, nvidia looks the way to go for graphics, cos I can always use the nv driver01:10
justdavepere: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=162801:10
mjg59ATI is fairly well supported for 2D, too01:10
cefMacPlusG3: yeah... but finding a laptop with prism54 = pain in the arse or expensive01:10
MacPlusG3cef: can always use pc-card01:11
MacPlusG3cef: that's what i do01:11
cefMacPlusG3: yeah I know.. hrm.. oh well.. spose that might be the way I go01:11
MacPlusG3cef: which means you get dem blinken lights!01:11
cefjust hard to do decent kernel devel on a box with non-free drivers01:11
hiweedI wanna join the Ubuntu Developer Team, how to? would you pls tell me?01:12
cefok, shower time01:12
hiweedI am the developer of Hiweed-Debian in China.01:12
perejustdave: Thanks.01:12
hiweedI found some bugs about Chinese in Ubuntu 4.101:13
hiweedAnd I can fix them.01:13
hiweedSo I wanna submit my paches.01:13
ondrejhiweed: best start would be to submit patches either to Debian BTS or Ubuntu Bugzilla01:13
hiweedThanks, ondrej01:14
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justin_hey hiweed01:18
justin_whats happening with the hiweed debian distro?01:18
justin_any chances of a ppc version?01:18
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Broomanwhat bootloader does ubuntu install by default? lilo or grub?01:19
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cardadorBrooman: grub01:19
Broomanare you absolutely sure? I have never had this kind of mbr trouble because of grub01:20
hiweedhey justin_01:20
cardadorBrooman: what kind of trouble?01:21
hiweedI am prepare a special version for the National Day of China01:21
hiweedHiweed-Debian 0.5501:21
widolinux_mafia: moin. unfortunately i haven't done anything yet. i'm currently busy with my math exams and my primary project01:21
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Broomanwinxp gets an error on boot up now..error loading operating system..and halts01:21
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Broomanthis NEVER happened before trying to install ubuntu01:22
Broomani need to know how to wipe the mbr clean..windows xp fixmbr and fixboot will not fix the problem01:22
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justin_hiweed: look forward to the release01:23
hiweedCan anybody speak Chinese?01:23
cardadorBrooman: i think it is a common problem with kernel 2.6 distros01:23
Broomancardador: never happened with gentoo. 01:23
hiweedjustin_ : Okay thanks01:24
cardadorBrooman: the partition table is changed and winxp is too dumb to figure out how to boot01:24
Broomancardador: whatever..i just need to know how to get it back to normal..i have shit to do that i can't do in linux..anyway..i reformatted the whole drive and it still happens..any ideas?01:24
cardadorBrooman: try google for it. you'll find out something about changing the hard disk geometry form CHS or auto to LBA in you pc BIOS01:25
Broomancardador: I wiped all those partitions...only thing left to wipe is mbr..do you know how to accomplish this?01:26
daldermanmjg59, can you point me at a good place to learn how to poke the bios on my Toshiba?  There is no boot setup, only a program to make it work in Winblowz :-(  I'd like to write a gtk app to do it for me in here.01:26
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cardadorBrooman: have you tried the fixmbr command?01:27
cardadorwith the winxp cd01:27
Broomancardador: yes..did not work..01:27
Broomancardador: ill try the bios setting at this point.01:28
daldermanmjg59, I know you have experience with bios type things from Ross, he told me about your mini pci problems with IBM.01:29
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mjg59dalderman: Oh, eww :(01:32
daldermanmjg59, indeed, it's one of the few remaining reasons I have XP on here01:32
mjg59dalderman: It's likely that all it does is set values in nvram. /dev/nvram will tell you what the contents are.01:32
daldermanmjg59, ahhhh, cool, ta01:33
mjg59You could change values under Windows and see what changes under Linux, I guess01:33
mjg59Then write code to do the same :)01:33
daldermanmjg59, good idea, fanx01:33
mjg59If you're insanely lucky, they'll have a generic program with a model specific data file that you can reverse engineer01:33
daldermanmjg59, in anser to cef earlier, I got a prism54 card from ebay in minipci for 4001:33
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daldermanmjg59, works a treat01:34
xordoquyhas there been any report on the ubuntu iso from yesteday not booting on powerbook ?01:34
Kosaicjwatson has a powerbook (and prepares the images), so that's unlikely but possible.01:35
xordoquywell, will probably give today build a try then01:37
cefdalderman: yeah.. annoying part with the laptop I was looking at was that the broadcom chipset it is actually onboard (or so it seems).. not just a minipci card or somesuch.. oh well01:37
cefdalderman: tis the price I guess I'll pay for getting an AMD64 laptop.. *grin*01:37
daldermancef, oh you poor thing, it must be hard01:37
daldermancef, may Sat Pro A10 is much inferior by comparrison :-)01:38
daldermancef, still good for cooking my lap tho01:38
cefdalderman: heh.. well work is buying, so I'm trying to buy the best bang for their buck01:39
daldermancef, the box says in big letters "Laptop Computer" with a bog sticker underneath saying "Warning, do not place on your lap as it will burn you!"01:39
cefdalderman: cos I know they won't spend a lot.. but AMD64's are in the ballpark if I go broadcom..01:39
daldermancef, cool01:39
cefdalderman: though I still want a pay rise.. *grin*01:40
GoneBoBhooray payrises01:40
GoneBoBspeaking of payrises.. I had a SCSI goat emergency today :/01:41
GoneBoBmachine booted, but hung after loading the scsi driver when it was checking for the disks01:42
GoneBoBreplace machine with an identical hardware machine - it boots01:43
cefdid you replace the cable?01:44
GoneBoBjust the machine01:44
GoneBoBwhich was lucky because it was just there01:44
GoneBoBand it was 4:30pm firday01:45
JanneMby any chance, has anybody tried ubuntu with a "Let's Note" R3?01:45
pereWhat is the best p2p filesharing program that runs under Ubuntu? I just tried aMule and xMule, but was not very impresses. Any others?01:48
pisukedon't know if it's mldonkey01:49
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ichwhere to get rar for ubuntu?01:51
perepisuke: Thanks, when Ive tried the mules, I might as well try the donkey...:-)01:51
Muttleymldonkey is great, if a little daunting to setup01:51
JanneMthe newer versions have an ...interesting ui as well01:57
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ondrejpere:dcgui-qt (direct connect)01:57
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cardadorthe gui of mldonkey does not seem to be gtk02:00
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pisukecardador, you can install just the server, it has a web interface02:01
pisukeat port 408002:02
pereondrej: Im downloading it now...02:02
pereJanneM: You are right. Interesting is probably the right word for the gui...:-)02:03
pisukemldonkey supports lots of p2p networks :)02:03
pisukepere, localhost:408002:03
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pisukepere, it's the web interface of the mldonkey server02:04
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cardadorpisuke: connection refused02:05
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cardadorpisuke: never mind02:06
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perepisuke: Seems to work OK. Less "interesting" than the other gui....02:06
cardadorbut wasnt the gui GTK?02:07
pereI guess I need a server-file for this donkey to start moving...02:07
pisukepere, http://mldonkey.berlios.de/02:08
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pisukecardador, mldonkey has two parts server/client02:08
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pisukethere are several clients02:09
pisukefrom telnet to java02:09
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justdaveok, stylesheets and images have been copied onto the bugzilla server, so they're not being referenced via http anymore.  anyone still getting mixed content warnings?02:15
ondrejjdub: ping?02:15
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daldermanhi guys, I have a question about building kernels02:18
daldermanI am trying out the alps patch for may lappy02:18
daldermaninstalled linux-source-, copied in the config, did the make-kpkg clean, make-kpkg kernel_image and got my deb all fine02:18
daldermanquestion is, when I install the deb I don't get an initrd image made for the new kernel, have I missed some magic somewhere02:19
daldermanor can I just use the one that is already there?02:19
thomok, i think i have a handle on type ahead find fuckage02:20
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sanitariodalderman: pass the option "--initrd" to make-kpkg while doing make-kpkg kernel_image02:24
daldermanahhh, ok02:24
daldermandamn, it took ages :-(02:24
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TreenaksWhy is there an initrd anyway?02:24
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daldermanI used the config from the existing kernel which I guess requires one?02:25
daldermanTreenaks, although, like you say, why should I require an initrd, does the Ubunut kernel modularize ide dirvers or something like that?02:26
liffseems like the latest .iso is broken or something?02:26
Treenaksdalderman: no, I wonder why the ubuntu kernel requires an initrd..02:27
sanitariodalderman and Treenaks: the ubuntu kernel is like debians kernel, the most of it comes as modules, and some of the modules are required at boot, and then you need initrd02:27
sanitariolike ide02:27
daldermansanitario, is there a way to build the initrd from my built kernel without going through the build again?  It cooks my lappy!02:28
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daldermansanitario, if I haven't cleaned it should skip most of it right?02:28
Treenakssanitario: I've never used an initrd with my own kernels...02:28
sanitariodalderman: yes02:28
daldermansanitario, god bless make :-)02:28
sanitariodalderman: just don't run clean, and it should go pretty fast02:29
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thomack. unfortunately fixing find means that the backspace key works again02:38
grondoin my desktop there are no icons (disks, home and so on). is that normal?02:38
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tsenggrondo: yes.02:38
grondotseng, I usually use debian sid and sarge gnome 2.602:39
grondowhat if I'd like to have incons in gnome desktop?02:39
tsengits a gconf option02:39
tseng /apps/nautilus/desktop02:39
tsengclikc on the ones you want.02:39
grondobut most important: where is the file manager???02:40
Treenaksgrondo: Computer -> Disks02:40
tsengComputer - Home, Disks, Network02:40
grondoTreenaks, I mean the one with the tree view02:40
Treenaksgrondo: you don't need that02:40
tsengapplications - file browser02:40
grondoTreenaks, well, let me decide...02:40
grondotseng, it's not there, alsa!02:41
tsengits there here.02:41
tsengyou can make your own launcher to nautilus --browser02:41
grondotseng, I've just dist-upgraded. There was no file-manager in the apps menu02:42
tsengok, fine. make one02:42
grondoduring upgrade it appeared in the menu but after reboot (new kernel) it's no there anymore02:42
tsengok mate02:43
tsengopen your menu02:43
tsengright click an item02:43
tsengclick Entire Menu - Add new item02:43
tsengmake it run nautilus --browser02:44
tsengthats all there is to it02:44
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thomjustdave: that stylesheet needs to push everything much further off the left hand border of the browser02:45
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grondotseng, right clicking in computer or apps menu open the item the mouse is over02:53
grondotseng, I can only add entries in submenus02:54
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Hmmmguys can i use debian apt repositories with ubuntu?02:56
grondoHmmm, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.745390439402:57
Hmmmgrondo, thnx02:58
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Hmmmiv read the advice on the FAQ02:59
Hmmmbut are there enough ubuntu specific packages?02:59
Hmmmi couldnt find f-spot on it for example02:59
thomthere's a mono repository, seperate03:00
Hmmmthom, do u have a url, pls03:00
chrisimehi thom03:00
thomHmmm: it's on the users list, but wait one03:01
thomhey chrisime 03:01
thomhow goes it dude?03:02
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thomHmmm: deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./03:02
thomadd that to your sources.list03:02
lypiedaniels: ubuntu install night tonight :P03:02
chrisimethom, oh well, looking for a job right now. beside that, it's ok03:03
Hmmmthom, thnx03:03
lypieanyone got any random errata i should know about?03:03
Hmmmwhat's the "./" at the end btw?03:03
chrisimethat it looks in that directory03:03
thomlypie: use current daily cds, firefox is a little broken :/03:03
Hmmmoh ok03:03
Hmmmiv just migrated from fc2 to ubuntu03:04
Hmmmthom, can u pls tell me how to add this repository to my apt?03:04
lypiethom: don't use firefox luckily :) :P03:04
lypiethom: in fact its a headless box :)03:05
thomHmmm: i just did03:05
thomadd that line to /etc/apt/sources.list03:05
thomrun sudo apt-get update03:05
Hmmmok thnx03:05
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Hmmmthom, thanks... im updating my list03:06
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zombicswhat i need to apt-get to install the nvidia drivers?(no nvidia-glx coz i use the 64BIT ver)03:07
Qerubzombics: linux-restricted-modules or something like that. but you better wait for a better answer :)03:08
Qerubzombics: apt-cache search for it.03:08
Hmmmwud it be recommended that i use ubuntu as a postfix mail server?03:08
Hmmmi thought of using debian03:08
QerubHmmm: is postfix in ubuntu main?03:08
thomQerub: yes03:08
Hmmmbut this looks so much easier to instll03:08
thomit's the default mail server03:08
thomHmmm: sure.03:09
HmmmQerub, yup its there03:09
Hmmmis ti stable?03:09
QerubHmmm: then it could be nice... if you want gnome on your server.03:09
Hmmmi find it sooooooo much faster than fc203:09
Hmmmi want gnome on my server yup i do03:09
QerubHmmm: (not that you can't purge gnome)03:09
thompass the "custom" flag to the installer, iirc. just installs base then03:09
thom(ie, no gnome)03:10
Hmmmi shoudl be able to duplicate this process on ubuntu right?03:12
thomshould be identical03:14
Hmmmthnx im gona give it a shot03:15
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thomyou won't need to add the extra apt repos03:15
Hmmmwhy not?03:16
jdubondrej: pong03:20
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danielslypie: huzzah!03:21
ondrejjdub: I just finished polishing gnome bittorent downloader, could you please look at it?03:23
ondrejI have uploaded it to: www.sury.org/ubuntu/03:23
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Hmmmi just insatlled webmin03:24
Hmmmcant login as root coz there's no root password03:24
jdubondrej: will have a look in a while, attempting to relax a bit atm ;)03:24
Hmmmwhat do i do guys?03:24
Qerubondrej: DEBEMAIL03:25
QerubHmmm: sudo passwd root03:25
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QerubHmmm: specifying root may be unnecessary though03:25
Hmmmkewl thanks03:26
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ondrejjdub: no problem, I am leaving to do some weekend shopping anyway :-)03:28
ondrejQerub: ah, will fix that...  fresh install and I have not restored all my backups yet...03:29
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aleitner_hi i just tried installing ubuntu preview 1 in a vmware session, but vmware crashed while the ubuntu-installer installed the deb packages (specifically while installing glibc)03:38
aleitner_is this a known problem?03:38
spivI recall seeing something about vmware on the mailing list...03:39
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spivMaybe try searching the list archives?03:39
aleitner_spiv: ahh, nice. will do03:39
psyklopshave you tried installing it multiple times?03:40
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psyklopsI had it fail on base system install03:40
aleitner_psyklops: two times in a row. both times the exact same behavior...03:40
psyklopsbut it was on random .debs03:40
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aleitner_psyklops: the second time it failed on glibc, the first time i dont know03:40
psyklopseh... damn, I was hoping someone else had the problem I had03:40
psyklopsstill not solved03:41
psyklopsdid you burn it to a different CD and try again?03:41
peream I supposed to get "authentication faillure" when I try "su"?03:41
aleitner_psyklops: i am using an iso image as cdrom03:41
spivpsyklops: I'm guessing they didn't burn at all, seeing as they're using vmware  :)03:41
aleitner_spiv: (; true true03:42
psyklopsnot familiar with vmware03:42
psyklopspere: root account is "disabled"03:43
pisukepere, there's no root account in ubuntu. Just use sudo.03:43
psyklopsyou have to sudo everything03:43
psyklopsand the password is your user's password03:43
pisukei've read somewhere osx works like ubuntu. no root. is it correct?03:44
pisukejust curious03:44
thompisuke: yeah, we disable the root password by default, and have changed everything to use sudo03:45
Lowethat sound juice ripper sucks03:45
thompisuke: and yeah, os x is similar03:45
pisukei was surprised when installed ubuntu03:46
pisukei think i like it03:46
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thomit's a good paradigm03:47
igsterare you guys intentionally making the installer work well with laptops?  this is the only disto out of dozens that gets all my hardware right on a Dell 515003:47
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thomyou really _shouldn't_ use root if you don't have to03:47
thomigster: yes03:47
igsteri must say i am impressed :-)03:48
pisukethe only adventage of su is its shorter to type03:48
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igsteri was wondering about one thing though.  i am getting about 1400 fps on an ati radeon 9000 mobility.  is it worth install fglrx?03:50
igsteri usually have to so that's why i ask03:50
aleitner_yeah its always at the exact same package: libc6-i68603:51
aleitner_weird thing is, i am on a pentium-m, which as far as i know is only i586, no?03:51
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diemanback to another day of distro hacking.03:59
diemanim nearly complete with getting gnome up to snuff04:00
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diemanneed to find out why i lost all my panel icons04:00
diemangoing from gnome 2.8 back to gnome 2.204:00
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diemanand just the launchers04:00
psii tried to install ubuntu a few minutes ago, but the installer fails with something similar to "couldn't install initrd-tools" and then the base installation fails04:00
Keybukdieman: why the downgrade?04:01
pisukemmm. they disabled type ahead find in firefox? or is an ubuntu bug?04:01
Treenakspsi: what kind of machine?04:01
psilooking at console 3, there's a message saying that initrd-tools is already up to date, and that vim failed to install04:01
Treenakspisuke: firefox bug04:01
pisukeTreenaks, thx04:01
diemanKeybuk: i've got a unified filesystem across our entire computing environment -- homedirectories are mounted on woody machines, solarris machine, etc.04:01
psyklopspisuke: check your preferences infirefox04:01
Keybukah right04:01
psiTreenaks: i386 (p4)04:01
diemanKeybuk: i have to continue to support woody as i upgrade04:01
psivim failed to install because of gnome dependencies that weren't going to be installed04:02
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dieman(soory, im on gprs this morning on my way to work, so its all laggy)04:02
diemansorry, even04:02
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diemani still find it funny that gprs is cheaper here than in europe04:02
diemanyou guys have more density.04:02
dieman(of users)04:03
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Treenaksdieman: mobile phone companies are trying to make money.. they think we won't notice04:03
Treenakscheapest I can get is 2MB for EUR 1.5004:04
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Treenaks(so if you use 10MB, you pay 5*1.50)04:04
diemani'm paying $30usd/mo for unlimited on a seperate sim card04:04
ionteHi. Installation fails on initrd-tools (but really i think it is vim: it has unmet dependencies which are "not going to be installed"). tried several times. any hints?04:04
diemanwould be $20 if i did it through my phone04:04
diemanbut i prefer class 10 gprs04:04
iontecan i skip vim?04:04
Treenaksdieman: "class 10 gprs" ?04:05
diemanionte: no idea offhand, sorry :|04:05
diemanTreenaks: yeah, gprs has classes that define how many timeslots you can use hardwarewise.04:05
ionte:((( need to do some banking, and now ive got no computer :)04:05
diemanTreenaks: here in the usa most providers give you up to 5 timeslots04:05
ceuI'm trying to install ubuntu under vmware, but the setup fails (a base-passwd pre-installation script segfaults). Is it a know problem?04:05
psiionte: i have tge same problem04:05
Treenaksah.. most providers here just don't tell you04:06
diemanTreenaks: class10 can use all 5, and it can also shift timeslots from rx to tx depending on if you need them04:06
diemanTreenaks: like 4+1 or 3+204:06
iontepsi: but no solution i guess?04:06
Treenaksdieman: not even that04:06
psiionte: nope. i came in here asking a few minutes before you did :)04:06
Treenaksdieman: just "GPRS"04:06
diemanTreenaks: heh04:06
psii guess the daily iso is buggered04:06
diemanTreenaks: did high speed csd ever take off?04:06
Treenaksdieman: no04:07
diemanmy last phone had hscsd support04:07
iontei can chroot to /target and do apt-get -f install, and it installs everything needed. but that is overriden when doing a new installation ...04:07
diemannever got to use it04:07
Treenaksdieman: and telcos are reluctant to implement EDGE as well, waiting for UMTS/3G04:07
diemanTreenaks: we might get edge this year or early next year04:07
diemanTreenaks: but UMTS is way, way out there -- the fcc has to get its act together in proving the frequencies.04:08
diemanthey finally moved some shit around so we could match up some of our 3g stuff to europe04:08
diemanumts is on the way, rather04:08
diemanykes :)04:08
diemanyikes, need to slow down.04:08
Treenaksdieman: the first 2 networks are operational here in .nl -- the other 2 should be within the year04:08
diemani just hope my data prices don't go up 300%04:09
iontewhere on the cd is the list of packages to be installed in base installation?04:09
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Treenaksdieman: Class seems to be maximal everywhere (12)04:13
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aleitner_fwiw, i disabled the vmware acceleration and now it seems to work...04:17
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jonomy iriver is detected by hal on my powerbook but not on my main i686 PC - any idea why?04:28
jonosame version of Ubuntu04:28
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elimwhat is the eta of the forum for ubuntu?04:39
neuro|laptophopefully when hell freezes over04:41
linux_mafianeuro|laptop, not a fan of forums?04:42
thomneuro|laptop: that soon :(04:43
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linux_mafiai just installed ubuntu on this pc, check it out http://users.net1plus.com/scottm/HomeComputer.jpg04:46
thomheh, heh04:46
Ycroswhat's with the wheel04:47
ulmensteering wheel ... ;)04:48
linux_mafiaYcros, early mouse wheel04:49
linux_mafiavery quiet in here right now, everyone gone for tea?04:51
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z1nOnlywhat is default root password in ubuntu?04:55
ulmenubuntu has root disabled by default04:56
z1nOnlyulmen, thanks!  how do you enable?04:56
Dephtz1nOnly: better is to use sudo04:57
Dephtafter all, anyone can su, all you need is the password, but you need to be authorised to sudo04:57
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Qerubz1nOnly: (if you want to activate root anyway, just "sudo passwd root")04:58
z1nOnlyulmen, I am trying to modify sources.list file, how do i do accomplish?  (linux newbie)04:58
ulmenz1nOnly: sudo <whateveryou want to execute>04:58
Deftz1nOnly: top way is to use the dialog in synaptic04:58
Deftit's Preferences | Repositories04:59
Qerubz1nOnly: synaptic or sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list04:59
Deftuh, Settings | Repositories04:59
z1nOnlyDeft, thanks!04:59
z1nOnlyDeft, do i select both?05:00
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Deftboth sources?05:00
aleitner_congrats guys, i just played around with the preview. looks very slick!05:01
Deftselect the one with main and universe, unselect the one with just main05:01
z1nOnlyDeft, i see two unselected, should i select both?05:01
morgancI've got a Cardbus USB adaptor. How do I stop it so I can remove it on the fly?05:01
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z1nOnlyDeft, ok, i see it now05:01
aleitner_Deft: how does one enable/disable sudo support for a given user?05:02
Qerubaleitner_: /etc/sudoers05:02
Qerubmorganc: right click on the device in nautilus and click unmount05:02
aleitner_Qerub: ah ok. i hoped there is something nice that a newbie could user too05:02
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elimwhat is wrong with forums?05:03
MatthewJhow do you set up cdrecord?05:04
spivaleitner_: I think you can add them to the sudo group using the Users & Groups tool in COmputer -> System Configuration.05:04
MatthewJcdrecord -scanbus didnt find my burner, do i need to load some modules?05:04
aleitner_spiv: ah, that sounds a lot better05:04
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QerubMatthewJ: -scanbus only detects SCSI things IIRC:05:05
morgancQerub: no, it's a pcmcia / cardbus device that gives me USB ports. Not a USB drive. So how do I remove a pcmcia device?05:05
Qerubmorganc: sorry, read to quick.05:05
Qerubmorganc: cardmgr then05:06
morgancQerub: thanks, now I remember.05:06
Qerubmorganc: there's some graphical tool included with it...05:06
z1nOnlycan anyone recommend cd burning application for gnome?05:08
Qerubz1nOnly: nautilus-cd-burner - CD Burning front-end for Nautilus05:09
Qerubz1nOnly: it's very simple tough05:09
krischanI know this is probably a GNOME question, but: I'd like to add a custom folder to my Applications menu, but how can I do that?05:09
z1nOnlyQerub, thanks!05:09
Qerubz1nOnly: np05:09
Qerubz1nOnly: k3b is a very nice app otherwise, but it's for kde.05:10
thomnautilus-cd-burner - right click on an iso image,and select burn. or open nautilus and go to places05:10
Lowek3b works though05:10
Qerubi didn't say that :) but the request included "gnome"...05:10
LoweLinux lacks so much in the multimedia side *yawn*05:10
trukulothom, can you make isos with a directory with nautilus-burner ?05:11
z1nOnlyis nautilus insalled by default with gnome 2.8 in ubuntu?05:11
tsengz1nOnly: yes/05:12
thomtrukulo: no idea05:12
linux_mafiak3b has to be used as root though, cause of the stupid 2.6.8.x cd burning bug/problem05:12
linux_mafiadoes it affect nautilus's burner?05:13
z1nOnlytseng, i don't see under applications->multimedia?05:14
tsengz1nOnly: nautilus has nothing to do with multimedia, sorry.05:14
tsengz1nOnly: what app are you looking for.05:14
z1nOnlytseng, cd-burner05:14
tsengcomputer - discs05:15
linux_mafiaMatthewJ, do sudo cdrecord -scanbus dev=/dev/xxx05:15
tsengclick places - cd burner05:15
spivz1nOnly: Have you tried just inserting a blank disk?  I think it'll open the burner program automatically?05:15
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z1nOnlytseng, spiv, thanks... i understand now.05:16
TongMasteryou too l33t for 3pipe these days?05:16
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spivTongMaster: Aw :(05:17
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spivI'm having enough trouble keeping up with email and the channels I'm still on, working and travelling at the same time is hard work :)05:17
linux_mafiadoes anyone know if the 2.6.8.x cd burning bug/problem affects the burning app in nautilus?05:17
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TongMasterspiv, maaaaaate, you need to more #pipe ;)05:19
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mwh_Hi, I just installed blackdown java, and I was wondering why the java-plugin is not loaded in my browser05:20
mwh_anyone using blackdown ?05:21
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hypatiaI thought blackdown was still not built with gcc 305:21
hypatiaI tend to use the sun jre for that reason05:21
schweebmwh_: you have to make a symlink into your browser's plugin directories05:21
schweebhypatia: yes, they have one linked w/ gcc305:21
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TongMastersee spiv, at least hypatia is not too l33t for #pipe05:22
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jeldhello all05:22
aleitner_ok, cu guys. and keep up the great work!05:22
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Mitariohi all05:22
hypatiaschweeb: oh ok. I guess I just assumed they made the plugin link automatically like they used to05:22
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mwh_schweeb: I have a symlink in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins05:22
schweebare you using firefox or mozilla?05:23
mwh_I think both05:23
mwh_and epiphany05:23
schweebpick one you want working now05:23
mwh_I have installed flash and it works okay, the plugin for that is ok05:23
schweebmozilla proper or mozilla firefox?05:23
jeldI have just installed ubuntu on my system, it seems that the only locale present is en_US.iso88591 how would I go about installing en_US.utf805:24
schweebjeld: dpkg-reconfigure locales05:24
linux_mafiamwh_, i followed this http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php05:24
jeldschweeb: great, thanx!05:25
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jeldfinally, a distribution that actually DOES work out of the box (even if there is no box :) ) Great work, thanx!05:26
mwh_just mozilla05:27
mwh_hypatia: maybe thats the case05:27
gangashey just wondering...how come the command "locate" doesnt work... i mean it says "cant locate blah blah slocate.db"05:27
mwh_hypatia: when I run the command java it executes, thats a good sign :)05:27
mwh_hypatia: anyways how can I find out if it is compiled with gcc3?05:27
mwh_hypatia: the symlink is made automatically05:27
mwh_hmm my network connection suck a bit .. 05:27
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Mitariojeld, yeah, ubuntu is even so good, the box just pops up out of existence in front of you!05:27
linux_mafiagangas, you have to do sudo updatedb first to create it05:27
gangasoh ok... thanks05:28
convertorhi guys - anyone know where to get java debs depository....05:28
mwh_linux_mafia: ill probably just follow that guide, would be nice though to find a package which just worked on ubuntu ;) anyways thats sun's policy sigh, wish there was a working opensource java applet runtime :)05:29
mwh_linux_mafia: thanks05:29
linux_mafiaconvertor, i followed this to get mine http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php05:29
gangashow do i install extra language support other than english, ie chinese05:29
hypatiamwh_: i'm trying to find out05:30
linux_mafiagangas, display or input?05:30
gangasjust display05:30
linux_mafiagangas, installed by default, you just needed to enable utf-8 which you just did i think05:31
gangasok great!05:31
gangasthanks heaps05:31
convertorlinux_mafia, thanks :)05:31
linux_mafiagangas, ni shuo zhongwen?05:32
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gangasmafia: i speak cantonese instead hehe05:36
schweebmy javascript seems to be broken in firefox05:37
linux_mafiagangas, im just trying to learn putonghua at the moment05:37
cardadori have a question: if i change my locale, all the software i install will be on that locale language, or in english?05:37
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thomschweeb: upgrade :-)05:38
Keybukhrm, is it me or are the current vim packages in ubuntu broken?05:38
thomand keep doing so till it works or you get bored :-)05:38
Keybukdpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/vim_1%3a6.2-532+4ubuntu2_i386.deb (--install):05:38
Keybuk trying to overwrite `/etc/vim/gvimrc', which is also in package vim-python05:38
schweebthom: yea, doing so right now.  I'm just surprised I haven't noticed it since last night ;)05:38
thomi only uploaded an hour ago :-)05:38
Keybukthom: ah, you uploaded them ... that explains it then05:38
Keybukthere should be some way of doing "hold anything where changed-by contains 'thom'" :p05:39
thomKeybuk: not vim, you slag05:39
thomthat's a lamont special05:39
schweebthat explains it, I've only been at work for like an hour... haven't really gotten enough accomplished to determine that my javascript was broke ;)05:39
Keybukthom: that explains it *even more* :D05:39
linux_mafiacardador, that locale, ie spanish iirc, thats if the app was compiled with support that is05:39
Keybukhmm... someone's changed Bugzilla ... MY EYES!05:39
thomschweeb: you should have working type ahead find again05:39
thomas well05:39
schweebI should have noticed as soon as I got in, as my ticket management system uses javacript menus05:39
cardadorlinux_mafia: ok tks05:40
schweebthom: awesome, you rock05:40
schweebthom: so what was the problem?  upstream problem or packaging problem05:40
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thomschweeb: upstream05:40
thomturning the "typeaheadfind" extension _off_ causes typeaheadfind to work05:40
gangashow do i edit my grub to boot winxp by default?05:40
linux_mafiagangas, sorry we cannot help you to do that ;)05:41
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lamontkeybuk/thom: yeah, I borked vim.  I'll fix it tonigyht05:43
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lamontmeanwhile, just apt-get remove vim-gnome05:43
lamontand vim-python05:43
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Keybuklamont: I just did force-overwrite05:44
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linux_mafiagangas, http://libranet.com/support/2.8/040405:44
linux_mafiagangas, google is your friend05:46
schweebthom: do I have to kill my profile? cause it still be broken05:47
thomschweeb: .mozilla/firefox/default.thing/compreg.da05:47
thomnuke that05:48
thomwhere "thing" is a random collection of letters05:48
schweebh8 mozilla profile05:48
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TongMastertyou could call it Epiphany, thom05:49
thomno, that is still at teh suck of moz, in a pretty wrapper05:49
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igstercan someone give me a suggestion for a good gnome audio player besides totem or xmms?05:49
petemcigster: beep05:49
TongMasterA pretty wrapper without *TAB COMPLETION*05:50
TongMasternot that it bothers me05:50
Lowefind in firefox is broken :(05:50
TongMasterigster, rhythmbox mate.05:50
thomLowe: upgrade, delete profile, profit05:50
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tube013Is there a way to get printers on remote cups servers auto recognized?05:53
diemanyou could just not install the server locally and just use the client05:53
diemanand put in the /etc/cups/client.conf:05:53
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diemanServerName blah05:54
convertorthom,nice ubuntu nice...05:54
tube013cool I'll give that a shot05:54
convertoranother good speach from jdub tonight...05:54
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schweebthom: well, removing compreg didn't help, but deleting the profile worked05:57
hypatiathis is going to cost me my entire password database and bookmarks isn't it?05:58
tube013I got cups auto detection to work by turning browsing on in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf05:59
schweebmv .mozilla/firefox .mozilla/firefox_old05:59
schweebthen you have a backup05:59
schweeband can move bookmarks.html05:59
hypatiaexcept I don't know which files to move back05:59
schweebI don't remember which file is the pw db06:00
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hypatiaand my last set of adventures in profile editing showed me that they don't intend them to be human editable.06:00
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WWtube13: Did you turn on browsing in the computer to which the computer is attached, the remote computer, or both?06:01
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elimim compiling libdvdcss how do setup mplayer to use it?06:01
elimi compiled that too 06:01
linux_mafiaelim, id just use christian marillat's packages06:03
elimu wuld but theres no one for mplayer06:03
WWtube13: Let me try that again: Did you turn on browsing in the computer to which the _printer_ is attached, the remote computer, or both?06:03
linux_mafiaelim, yes there is06:03
elimnot for macs there isnt06:04
linux_mafiaelim, oh, heh06:04
linux_mafiaelim, sorry06:04
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elimso any idea?06:04
Dougallanyone know if I install the fglrx ATI gfx drivers using apt, it should overwrite or remove the corresponding Mesa libraries ?06:05
linux_mafiaelim, http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de/%7Eagx/linux-ppc/debian/mplayer/06:07
ondrejDougall: it does divert them using dpkg-divert06:07
Dougallondrej: is there something I have to do manually, because it still seems to be loading the Mesa libs... was wondering what I was doing wrong...06:08
linux_mafiaelim, those any good?06:08
DougallI'm hardly a debian expert...06:08
ondrejDougall: do dpkg-divert --list, it should list diversion of /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 to /usr/share/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1.2 by fglrx-driver06:08
neuro|laptop[15:42]  <linux_mafia> neuro|laptop, not a fan of forums?06:09
neuro|laptoplinux_mafia: mailing lists much easier :)06:09
Dougallondrej: and if not ?06:09
linux_mafianeuro|laptop, haha06:09
ondrejDougall: then look in /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-driver.preinst06:10
neuro|laptoplinux_mafia: no need to go online to read them for one thing06:10
tube013WW:  the remote computer is a Mandrake box, and has Browsing enabled by default.  I just turned it on on the Ubuntu box.. by laptop, restarted cups, and the printers automagically showed up06:10
Dougallondrej: thanks... will do.06:10
linux_mafianeuro|laptop, shit, the users list is starting to get pretty busy aye06:10
WWtube13: So in the end, you have browsing enabled on both... that makes sense.06:11
Dougallondrej: I see the diversion listed, but it's still loading the Mesa Lib...06:12
DougallMaybe I should reinstall and try again.....06:13
WWIs there a GUI for configuring things like browsing in CUPS? I've been using an editor, but a GUI would be nice.06:13
ondrejDougall: how big it is? it should be 658984 bytes if it's diverted06:14
WW...I've been using an editor to edit cupsd.conf, that is.06:14
ondrejoriginal is just something over 400k06:14
ondrejbasicly it moves original version to /usr/share/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1.2 and places new (fglrx-driver) version to /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.206:14
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fincould anyone tell me the package that contains make-kpkg ?06:15
DougallOndrej: that makes sense.. the one in /usr/X11R6/lib is 658984 the one in diversions is 41248006:16
Dougalldoes that sound right ??06:17
linux_mafiafin, kernel-package06:17
finthank you06:17
tube013WW: yea browsing on both.  I think that browsing just lets the local machine scan for other cups servers.  I think there is another config option to allow broadcast of the local printers.  No GUI for cups server config.  I think kups from kde has a config for it, but I'm not sure, I haven't used that in a while.06:17
linux_mafiafin, and in future apt-cache search <thing>06:17
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WWtube13: Thanks.  I keep doing what I've been doing.  I hoped I could find a GUI smart enough to prevent me from screwing it up :)06:19
diemanvim is borked06:19
WWs/I keep/I'll keep/06:19
diemanlamont: you dork!06:19
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linux_mafiamy firefox find util works ok without me having to delete my profile, is that prob only on certain arch's?06:21
ondrejDougall: yep, that's exactly how it should be... (try uninstalling fglrx-driver if you don't believe :-)06:22
DougallI do believe.... just don't believe that it doesn't seem to be working... 06:23
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DougallOther than that I was quite enjoying myself..06:23
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ebagdoes anyone here know gabe? 06:26
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ondrejDougall: try running fgl_glxgears06:27
elimhmm i dont think i want to install them i don't think judging by the description on ubuntu's site its wise06:27
ondrejDougall: anyway, how do you know that it is not working?06:28
Dougallondrej: slow 3d and the results of fglrxinfo06:28
ondrejDougall: and have you changed XFree96Config to use fglrx driver?06:29
linux_mafiaelim, i think they'd be fine, they're not core packages with lots of depends that will effect the infrastructure and stability of an install06:30
ondrejXF86Config of course...  or you just run fglxrconfig06:30
DougallI ran fglxrconfig06:31
elimhow do install a local ded?06:32
trukulosudo dpkg -i file06:32
ondrejDougall: do lsmod | grep fglrx06:33
schweebnice, they broke vim.06:33
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DougallOndrej: It's loaded...06:34
DougallI'm going to try re-installing fglrx and then reconfiguring XF Config..06:34
ondrejand your color depth is?06:34
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Dougall24 bit I think...06:35
ondrejhave you looked in /var/log/XFree86.log?06:35
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ondrejDougall: there should be lot info starting with fglrx06:36
DougallI'm rebooting currently, I'll check when it's back up.06:37
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Dougallthanks for all the help btw... I feel like such a noob.06:37
ondrejDougall: noprob.  I was fighting to get it work before...06:38
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Dougallodrej: still the same thing... going through the log now. 06:42
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DougallDRI Initialization failed...06:44
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ondrejjustdave: what, you don't like my bugreport? :-)06:45
justdavedon't like the problem. :)06:45
justdavecan reproduce it with several other components chosen at random, so it appears to be more widespread than that.06:46
justdavedid it give you the same problem filing that bug to tell me?  (did you have to put me in manually?)06:46
ondrejno, it was fine when using Bugzilla product06:46
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justdavehmm, wierd.06:47
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justdavewell, I gotta split or my daughter's gonna be late for a school activity...  be back in a little over an hour and I'll get it fixed asap when I'm back.  In the meantime you can just put in "debzilla" in the assigned-to field and it ought to figure it out (pick the ubuntu.com one)06:48
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daldermanhey guys06:50
daldermanIs mr Zimmerman in?06:50
daldermanOK, well I have a question.  I am going to file a feature request for the alps touchpad driver patch to be added in Whoary.  It requires a kernel patch.  Should the request go into the kernel or xfree86-driver-synaptic  component?06:52
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diemanim pretty sure hes a left coaster, so he might still be in groggy-morning mode.06:52
diemanlike 9am there06:52
daldermandieman, ok, fanx06:53
daldermandieman, he is emailing the user list so I think he's up06:53
diemanhe was last on at 6pm last night tho.06:53
diemanyeah, hes just not watching06:53
diemanprobally want to type his nick, mdz.06:53
diemanif hes using a client like irssi it will highlight06:53
daldermanmdz, which component should I add the feature request to?06:53
daldermanmdz, for the alps patch?06:54
mdzdalderman: 'linux'06:54
daldermanmdz, FYI it works nicely once you've fiddled the settings in XF86Config-406:55
daldermanmdz, thanks06:55
mdzdalderman: sure, I'm just paranoid about changes to something as core and hardware-specific as the psmouse driver so late in release06:55
mdzit has to change the initialisation code for _all_ PS/2 mice in order to work06:55
daldermanmdz, of course. I am concerned about the lack of fb support now too, well, the lack of any text output.  Most odd.06:55
mdzand with so many different mice out there, it's impossible to predict what effect it could have06:55
daldermanmdz, of course06:56
daldermanmdz, I could have borked the kernel compile but I don't think so06:56
daldermanmdz, could it be that I'm missing a font from the build or something?06:56
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mdzdalderman: did you use make-kpkg or build from the source package with apt-get source?06:56
daldermanmdz, I used make-kpkg, I don't know the other way06:56
daldermanmdz, I copied the config from /boot06:57
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mdzdalderman: you used make-kpkg --initrd?06:57
schweebmake-kpkg rules.06:57
daldermanmdz, yeah. to patch I did patch -p1 < alps.patch in /usr/src/linux06:57
Dougallondrej: if you want to know, the issue ended up that I was using the included ATI AGP support, 06:57
Dougalloopsie.. :)06:57
finmdz:  make sure you either do --initrd or you compile in your filesystem06:57
daldermanI did the initrd thang06:58
fini usually compile in the filesystems06:58
daldermanas that is what the existing kernel does and I didn't want to change too much06:58
khwarizmiI have a question: how can I add a custom folder to the Applications menu? (even though this is certainly GNOME-specific)06:58
leormekhwarizmi: nautilus-->applications: create directory. it should work.06:59
daldermanmdz, I have also got an external usb mouse and that still works fine with the alps patch07:02
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khwarizmileorme: thanks, the hint is working. And aprospos Nautilus, is there a way to customize the "Go to" menu, for that I don't have to type "applications:///" by hand everytime?07:04
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leormekhwarizmi: in the worst case, you can make a shortcut in the desktop.07:06
ondrejDougall: strange it should work too (but I am using kernel version, because I think it's newer...)07:07
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Dougallondrej: not sure... it's an nforce chipset if that matters...07:09
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ondrejDougall: ahh, I think that ATI is using some older version of AGP code and support for nforce is relatively new07:11
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Dougallyup, quite possibly.07:11
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Dougallondrej: but the bottom line is that it works now, so I can continue to explore... thanks for all your hrlp.07:12
Falgorjono, are you jono bacon?07:12
mojomorning every!07:13
mojoany GNOME developer?07:13
mojoI hope some developer hack the GNOME About to create a Ubuntu About07:13
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mojoD2 is so addicting07:14
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sladenmojo: can you file a bug on bugzilla.ubuntu.com with priority "Enhancement"07:22
sladenmojo: what's D2?  Descent 2?07:22
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phlaegelprobably diable 207:30
phlaegeler, diablo07:30
Falgordoom2 is just shooting.07:30
Falgoryou can actually do something in diablo. get stuff.07:30
phlaegelwhich *was* addictive, y'know, three years ago. ;-007:30
sladenDoom2 was addictive *10* years ago07:30
sladen(and still is...)07:31
Falgortribes2 is great.07:31
Falgorhappily too many people dont play it.07:31
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diemandialbo is click and kill07:35
gangashi, i got winxp set up which can display chinese-big5, when winxp got mounted, the files are not displayed properly under nautilus ....i mount them using iocharset=big5 option but doesnt work07:35
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jeedeeThere is something wrong with the AMD64 Iso : When I install ubuntu on my friend emachines laptop using the amd64, we get all kind of errors : freezes, ect. If I install from the i386 iso, no error, no special parameters and ubuntu boots just fine. Anyone experienced?07:38
peteogis there one of those evolution web calendars for ubuntu?07:38
UziMonkeyemachines?  uh-oh..07:38
jeedeeI know UziMonkey, but still, it works on i386 and not on amd6407:39
peteogah emachines - I used to work at Dixons07:39
jeedeeSame thing on my desktop, Im going to try the i386 here07:39
jeedeeGrub freezes at loading stage07:39
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XordanHi guys and girls07:50
Xordancould any of you tell me how to netboot please?07:51
Xordanheh :P07:51
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subterrificXordan: tried google?07:51
Xordanyes I have07:52
Xordancouldn't see anything though07:52
subterrifictry again, its there. google knows all07:52
Xordanhmm right07:53
subterrificXordan: its not an easy process i could go through right here. there are plenty of howtos written about it though07:53
subterrificdo you have a netboot server setup?07:54
Xordanah, I see, it's not what I was thinking off :)07:54
Xordanhmm, it's just that I've downloaded it 2x and burnt about 5 CD's and I get errors every time I try to install07:55
Xordanthe last one said it couldn't find the kernal-image07:55
subterrificXordan: is this a new machine?07:59
Xordanno, had it about 6 months07:59
Xordaninstalled lots of other distros fine08:00
subterrificwhat kind of machine?08:00
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subterrificwell if you can get any error output from dmesg or anything, submit a bug report08:01
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XordanCould a download manager such as flashget mess up the ISO?08:01
DougallXordan: did you check the MD5 ?08:02
Xordanyes, it's fine08:02
subterrificthen no08:02
Dougallthen so should the ISO.08:02
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Xordanok, I'll stick with it :) Will get it to work somehow08:04
DougallOK... laters taters.08:07
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makoLeeColleton: hey!08:08
LeeColletonHi mako08:08
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makoLeeColleton: nice seeing you here :)08:08
LeeColletonmako: Still coding for social justice, I presume?08:09
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makoLeeColleton: fighting the good fight :)08:10
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LeeColletonI thought it sort of odd that the ubuntu wiki has a fighter plane at the top of the page.  Is that some kind of joke?08:10
makoLeeColleton: i think its' one of the feature moin moin themes08:11
makoLeeColleton: and i thought it was a space motif08:11
Nonphasisat least you can't blame ubuntu for a dead mailing list... i get almost 1 mail / 2 minutes08:12
makowhich could be a reference to sabdfl's cosmonaut past :)08:12
Nonphasisnemsgroup would be more manageable :)08:12
makoNonphasis: i think someone subscribed it to gmane08:12
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Nonphasisgmane requires login, right?08:13
makoNonphasis: i have no idea, but i thought it was a free service08:13
makoprocmail + mutt is enough for me08:13
NonphasisI'm using tbird... apparently it can't arrange the messages into threads08:14
makoLeeColleton: fighter planes are not very ubuntu :)08:14
Nonphasisyeah, we need BOMBER planes08:14
LeeColletonPeace from the barrel of a GNU08:15
NonphasisGNUs don't kill people08:15
Nonphasisgotta try that gmane w/ gnus08:16
makoyou might get something you can pass off temporarily as peace, but you won't get anything you could pass of as "ubuntu" IMHO :)08:16
makoubuntu is a richer concept08:17
punkassok i have a wierd issue...i do a wlist wlan0 scan and it finds the ESSID and Mac addy of the router.  but iwconfig doesnt show either of them08:17
LeeColletonis the ubuntu-linux project a more politicized version of debian?08:17
Nonphasishah, probably less politics here08:17
makoNonphasis: depends on teh type of politcs we're talking about :)08:18
Nonphasiscase in point: apt-gettable nvidia drivers08:18
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makoNonphasis: that's a rather complex issue :)08:19
Nonphasisyeah, I can figure...08:19
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makoLeeColleton: ubuntu is a derivative distro with time-based releases and a more focused scope, among other things08:19
NonphasisI'd still like to see even more apt-gettable "suspectible" stuff like Java08:20
Nonphasisand apt-get install mplayer-compile08:20
makoLeeColleton: but many of us like the idea of ubuntu as a way of running a community, especially free software wise08:21
makoLeeColleton: it's not tied to any sort of broader political agenda on a project-wide basis or in the eyes of canonical in any way08:21
makoalthough i can't speak for individuals other than myself08:21
makoLeeColleton: and you know me so you probably don't need to hear me speak for myself :)08:22
Nonphasiswell, at least Ubuntu is what I've always expressed I wish debian would do08:22
LeeColletonmako: what is the connection to the Canonical company?  Besides hosting, are they available for support contracts?08:22
makoLeeColleton: yes08:22
bdaleI noted late last night (my time) that the i386 warty preview iso doesn't seem to comprehend USB keyboards on i386.  is that known/expected?08:23
Nonphasisand always get "it's not possible" or "it wouldn't work" or "it's open source, go ahead" ;-)08:23
makoLeeColleton: they paid all the pre-announcment development and will continue to pay people to work on it full time to make sure thigns like time-based releases work08:23
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Nonphasismako, do you have plans to get some ISVs/IHVs on board?08:24
makoLeeColleton: i am employed by canonical, for example08:24
Nonphasismako, no need to answer if confidential :)08:24
makoNonphasis: isv/ihv?08:25
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makobdale: i haven't tried08:25
Nonphasismako, sofware vendors like oracle, hw like HP/IBM...08:25
bdalemako: I'll be trying in about a half hour, then.  Via SK8V motherboard with HP USB keyboard and mouse...08:25
LeeColletonbdale: I'm using a usb keyboard with warty-i386 right now.  What model is yours?08:25
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bdaleLeeColleton: HP tc1100 tablet PC08:26
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bdaleLeeColleton: could be something else is weird then?  the tc1100 uses USB to talk to the detachable keyboard, and a d-i image around the time of debconf4 worked ok.08:26
makobdale: so it's a d-i issue, not an installed system issue?08:27
brandxi was wondering the lastest firefox build in the apt respo is that of the 1.0pr final or is that being built from source?08:27
bdalemako: I can't hit enter to continue the boot process once I get the initial prompt.  if that times out, then I can't pick a language to continue the install.08:27
makobdale: sure. i can imagine that installing without a keyboard is, er. difficult 08:28
makobdale: i'd ask kamion08:28
bdalemako: I "oopsed" on the tablet a while back, installing a kernel that didn't have USB keyboard support without having a backup kernel in place (yeah, my stupid)... figured it was a good machime to scortch and try an install on...08:28
LeeColletonbdale: can you hold F1 to get to the system BIOS?  sometimes legacy support for USB can be enabled there08:28
bdale(since I currently have no production dependencies on it)08:28
bdaleLeeColleton: interesting question.  I'll look in a bit.08:29
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Mitarioheh, i hate getting to the back of my pc to let my usb pendrive auto-mount :)08:30
Nonphasis"legacy free"... bios should be the first to go ;)08:30
bdaleNonphasis: on ia64, it went... but EFI isn't exactly my idea of nirvana08:30
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KosaiWhat's EFI?08:31
bdaleIntel's "estensible firmware interface" spec ... next-gen firmware ala Intel, more or less.  think of it as DOS-in-ROM08:32
maswanKosai: the ia64 replacement for bios, supposed to be the next generation for i386 too08:32
KosaiAh, I see.08:32
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Kosaibdale: So, something like SRM?08:32
maswanSince I come from a background of admining Suns, I would much prefer openfirmware though.08:32
KosaiThat sounds neat.  The only difference I tend to notice between sparc/alpha and i386 is that the first two have sane ways of getting at a console outside of the OS.08:32
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bdalesort of.  loadable device drivers, command shell, highly configurable boot manager that breaks the "boot order" concept, etc08:33
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jeedeeanyone had the "Could not mount cd-rom" error?08:33
bdalein Linux, you end up using 'elilo' as the boot loader and 'efibootmgr' to manipulate boot manager entries.  we worked hard to make all that be pretty invisible in Debian.08:33
bdalemaswan: openfirmware is ok with me too, since I'm an old Forth hack...08:34
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bdalemaswan: I'm friends with some of the guys who wrote the spec and most of the interesting implementations08:34
Mitariohmm, do mounted things show up in computer://?08:34
maswanbdale: Neat. :)08:34
Nonphasisisn't linuxbios a full linux kernel in bios?08:34
Nonphasisthat would rock too08:35
jeedeeI mean the cd rom mounting in the install08:35
jeedeeUsing amd64 install grub freezes at boot, using i386 cd It can't seem to mount my install cd08:35
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maswanbdale: While I'm not a forth hack, it is a system that is usable and makes sense. Haven't dealt with EFI yet though. At least not enough to have a real opinion.08:36
jeedeeMy friend managed to get his ubuntu running without freezing by installing from the i386 cd instead of the amd64 one08:36
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Mitariook lok, my usb pendrive and my mounted partition show up in network://08:36
Nonphasisis it some kind of dynamic forth interprpter or what?08:37
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funkytwigtrying to get apache working, have installed apache-common but there douse not seem to be an httpd in /etc/init.d.  Have I missed something?08:37
maswanOr, right. Damn. I forgot to reinstall ravel with the install cd I burnt yesterday.08:38
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maswanMithrandir: sorry about that, didn't get around to it. hopefully next week.08:40
bdaleNonphasis: there's also a "linux as bootloader" project, which notes that if you've got to write a device driver for the kernel anyway, you might as well use it to bootstrap the machine.  the handhelds.org guys like that approach and are slowly moving that way, I think.08:40
bdalestuff like that works better when you're in embedded space and have chip docs than it does with PC-ish motherboards where the vendor has too much magic wrapped up in the BIOS08:41
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punkassfunkytwig: you need apache too08:44
punkasseither apache or apache208:44
funkytwigpunkass:ta, will give it a go08:45
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LeeColletonHow do I turn on the gnome-volume-manager automatically?08:48
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jeldhello all08:50
bdalefwiw, the amd64 installer is working fine with usb keyboard on my amd64 desktop08:52
jeldwhat is "universal" repository?08:52
npmccallumcarlos: thanks for your compliment on the sounds :)08:53
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carlosnpmccallum: They are really funny and I love them08:53
Keybukfascinating ... I've managed to construct a kernel that simply reboots whenever you try to boot it08:54
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zetorHello all!08:54
npmccallumcarlos: funny how?08:54
LeeColletonKeybuk: a virtual machine for turning itself off08:54
npmccallumKeybuk: its a feature :)08:54
Keybukhmm, I think I must have mis-applied a patch somewhere08:55
Keybukprobably the radeonfb one, at a guess08:55
carlosnpmccallum: They integrate inside the Ubuntu origins very well08:56
LeeColletonnpmccallum: what sounds?08:57
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APhow do I make X start with my user without needing to type my password in gdm every time i start my computer?08:59
npmccallumcarlos: thanks :)08:59
npmccallumLeeColleton: apt-get install ubuntu-sounds, its new09:00
ChrifferAP there is a timed login option in the gdm setup09:01
APhow do i get to this setup?09:01
ChrifferComputer mune, system settings, login setup09:01
Chriffercomputer menu I mean09:01
jeldAP: Computer/System Configuration/Login Screen Settings enable Automatic Login option and choose your user name in the dsrop box :)09:03
bdaleamd64 box installed without incident, up to the point where it reboots ... hung after "GRUB loading, please wait..."  ... known?09:03
npmccallumbdale: do you have your cdrom in the drive?09:07
bdalepower cycle didn't help09:07
bdalenpmccallum: nope09:07
npmccallumbdale: I know that that has been known to occasionally cause problems09:07
bdaleif it were in, the bios would have booted it in preference to the hard disk...09:08
bdaletwo strikes in a row.  I'm feeling snake-bit.09:08
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punkassok i have a wierd issue...i do a wlist wlan0 scan and it finds the ESSID and Mac addy of the router.  but iwconfig doesnt show either of them09:09
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bdaleoh, this is interesting ... the tablet's keyboard isn't working in the bios setup, either.  hrm.09:12
LeeColletonWell, it looks like plugging in and removing a usb storage device has caused mayhem with the gnome-volume-manager and the linux i686 kernel.  Time to reboot.09:15
bdalewow.  I think I have a bad keyboard on that tablet.  since I currently have two of the tables in hand, I swapped them keyboards, and not it seems happier... proceeding to try an install.09:15
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maswanbdale: the amd64 grub problem seems odd, I know there used to be problems but I thought them to be fixed (in debian-amd64). also, they showed up differently09:19
maswanbdale: I'm not sure though, we run lilo on all our amd64s09:19
bdalemaswan: on another disk, I'm fresh with debian amd64 sid and it's working fine09:20
bdaleand I'm pretty sure that's using grub too.  checking.09:20
calci use grub on my laptop debian amd64 and it works fine, i haven't reinstalled it lately to make sure current grub is still good though09:20
maswanbdale: Well, either something else is broken, or we can just blame Mithrandir. :)09:20
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maswanThe issue was only detected when you had more than 2 gigs of ram (or was it 4 gigs?)09:21
bdaleyep, my main disk in this machine uses grub, and is booting fine09:21
calcmaswan: can't remember09:21
calci only have 512mb on my laptop so i guess that would also be a reason why mine works09:22
calci think it was 4GB but not certain09:22
maswanWell, all my amd64s have 8 gig anyway. :)09:22
calci want a s754 k8t890pro board09:23
calci have a spare athlon64 to stick in it already09:23
maswanI want a 32-way amd64 based on that neat Horus design or something similar. :)09:24
bdalethis one has 1 gig, fwiw09:24
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maswanbdale: in 5 years or so, put a computer with 256 gigabytes of ram next to it? :)09:25
bdalemaswan: nah, I'll wait until the ratio is the same09:26
bdalemaswan: and besides, I'm pretty sure we make a machine with more ram than that today... it just won't fit on my desk.  ;-)09:27
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maswanbdale: Yeah, I was just guessing that you didn't get paid quite enough for that to be cheap enough for you to convince yourself or the wife. ;)09:28
bdalecalc: interesting.  very numa.09:28
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maswancalc: Yeah, that's the one. The hotchips presentation on it was very informative09:28
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mojoare there any way to mount a MDF or CloneCD img file on Linux?09:30
maswanbasically, custom chip that acts like a cpu to the cHT-links to the other cpus in a 4-way node, then talks to the other horus chips to connect them together into one big memory domain09:30
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cardadormojo: just had that problem :) (is it smt related to sims 2)?09:32
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cardadormojo: the only way to mount it would be converting them to iso with ccd2iso09:35
cardadorbut it didnt work out for me09:35
mojocarador: but...if convert to iso09:35
mojocarador: I can't run the game b/c no SecureROM proctection left on ISO file09:35
mojocarador: if someone can write a GTK2 program with support IMG and MDF file, they can earn hips of money09:36
cardadorhave you tried running daemon tools with wine?09:36
cardadorand its cardador not carador ;)09:37
mojocarador: yes, it crash due to the driver loaded in Win is different from Linux09:37
michel_varen't .ccd just .img in disguise anyway?09:37
michel_vthen try burning the .ccd to a cdrw and then ripping it09:38
mojosigh..Linux should have more programs if it wants to dominate the world09:38
mojothe point here is I dun have CD-RW09:38
mojoI want to play it from a ripped CloneCD image09:38
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michel_vthe point here is that "Linux" can't just handle the myriad stupid file formats Windows programs come up with09:38
mojosome stuff under Linux is very good but sometimes stupid stuff in Windows still beats Linux for sure09:39
michel_vnot Linux programmers' fault that nobody came up with a way to handle PROPRIETARY OBFUSCATIONS OF STANDARD FILE FORMATS09:39
mojostandard is a thing that all ppl support09:40
mojoso Linux devel should foloow09:40
mojoshoudn't complain too much about that's Windows's stuff blah blah09:40
michel_vwhat part of "proprietary obfuscations" don't you understand?09:40
mojoI dont quite get y sometimes Linux just create non-standard stuff09:41
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michel_vgive an example of this09:41
mojoit makes life more confusing for normal users09:41
mojofor example09:41
mojoin Linux09:41
aitrusdoes anyone know if the Plextor PX-712SA (SATA) burner works in Linux (Ubuntu)?09:42
mojothey use XPM, that's Unix old stuff09:42
michel_vXPM is an open file format09:42
mojoand Windows or otherOSnot support this09:42
michel_vthere are libraries available for it09:42
michel_v.ccd is not an open file format09:42
mojoit's open I think09:42
mojolots of program emulate it09:42
michel_vit's a binary format that's only properly handled by CloneCD because only their programmers know what they put in it to obfuscate it09:43
mojowat about Alcohol09:43
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mojoor FantomCD09:43
mojoor DeamonCD09:43
mojoor other CD Emulator09:43
mojothey emulate that file very good09:43
michel_vAlcohol 120% has the nasty habit of creating non standard iso files, too09:43
mojoso y u said it's not open09:43
calcmojo: where is the spec for the ccd image format?09:44
michel_vmojo: if they can't stick to specs, then they just create bad files09:44
mojoI think09:44
mojosome1 must work out a way09:44
calcmojo: if someone cares to, ccd is primarily used for pirating windoze games, not many developers care to help that along apparently09:44
mojoto convert MDF file to another format that alsp support Multi-sesssion and some special protection09:44
michel_vmojo: become that someone09:45
michel_vor fund some developers to get that support09:45
mojoI wish, I only have exp on Java, I dun know any C or C++09:45
mojoand u know Java damm well that I can't do such thing like C does09:46
michel_vnobody is going to come up with a free solution to help warez users play bad rips created on bad windows software09:46
michel_v"just because"09:46
michel_vyou could easily code conversion stuff in Java09:47
mojo...maybe..but if a company have a solution to rip 100% clone of a CD game onLinux then they will earn money like WineX did!09:47
mojoI think will fund CDEmu group09:47
mojothey're only hope left09:47
mojoI think I will spend more time with GTK, I hope I can write a GNOME applet for CDEmu around next year09:48
calcmojo: why would they? wouldn't the pirates just pirate the copier program, like people do for clonecd on windoze?09:48
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mojoheh! then u charge them in the way of Transgaming09:49
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mojou have to subsribe to do it09:49
mojoor..you have to register online09:49
mojoor using FlexLM09:49
mojou can create a key for registered user09:49
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mojothis key is saved as a file09:49
freakyccan anyone help me get Nvidia drivers working with AMD64, please?09:50
mojoand if there is a duplication detected09:50
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mojothen that account will be banned09:50
calcthis is getting really OT so i am going to shutup ;)09:51
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jeldI have a question, I have a FAT32 removable storage device. How do I make HAL mount it with iocharset=utf8 ?09:53
bdaleinstall complete and I'm staring at a working desktop on the tc1100 tablet now that it has a working keyboard (and I'm on the phone with HP service getting a replacement keyboard sent right now)09:54
jeldsorry, figured it out09:57
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justdaveok, font size looks normal on Bugzilla now....10:14
justdaveexcept that the "large text" button actually makes it smaller :)10:14
aitrusthanks dave10:14
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finare there any disc with the i386 packages on them?  like iso's?  the pc im installing it on doesnt have inet10:17
cardadori have a question: i installed a program, then it went to "Other" on "Applications". After removing that program, the "Other" menu did not disappear. Is it a bug?10:19
michel_vfin: you can order cds10:19
finah yes, very true10:19
fini suppose i'll do my part and support :)10:19
michel_vfin: they'll ship when there's an actual release though, which is likely to happen towards the end of cotber10:19
michel_voctober, even10:19
finnice mixup10:19
finyou think the kdrive xserver would make much of a speed diffrence over the current xf86 on a k6-2 300?10:20
tsengfin: er10:21
mdzmichel_v: october 13th is the target10:21
tsengi last used kdrive many months ago, but it used a framebuffer driver10:22
tsengvery slow compared to even unaccellerated xfree drivers10:22
finok ok10:22
finjust wondering :)10:22
tsengthere are supposed to be some real drivers now10:22
finman i just got my ess1877 sound working, talk about a PITA!10:22
tsengmostly for ati.10:22
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finya, this lappy has a neomagic card10:23
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finim waiting on my router and wifi card right now so i can get some real work on it going10:23
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finright now i have it compiling a kernel...10:23
_axelhmm, i cant even seem to find any RAR file unpacker, not even in universe10:23
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_axelanyone know of any available in ubuntu?10:24
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crimsun_axel: i don't see any in universe10:26
cardador_axel: a just downloaded it from a debian mirror10:26
cardadorI just*10:26
bskahanwhat does ubuntu use for root access in Gnome, gtksu?10:26
bskahanKeybuk: thanks10:27
humanxdoes anyone have this bug (cannot open root application) Failed to run time-admin as user root:10:28
humanx Child terminated with 1 status10:28
bskahanhumanx: are you using your right password with the first user on the box10:29
bskahanfunny thing, I was asking about what program that was because the error dialog sucks10:29
humanxit does that with almost all programs who needs roots access10:29
bskahanit only does that here if I mistype the password10:30
bskahansorry I can't be more helpful10:30
humanxk thx10:30
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hawkeHello all...having some trouble installing ubuntu on a Blue&White G3, can anyone help?10:32
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makohawke: i don't have one but i'll give it a shot10:35
makohawke: what sort of problem are you having10:36
hawkeyaboot installs, it gives me the menu, it starts booting...10:36
hawke...and then complains that it can't find /dev/console10:36
hawke(after 3 lines of boot messages)10:36
hawkeJust retrying again in expert mode..10:37
hawkeer, finishing the retry that is.10:37
mxpxpodlamont: around?10:37
hawke"Starting Ubuntu...10:38
hawkepivot_root: No such file or dir10:38
hawke /sbin/init: 424: cannot open dev/console: No such file10:38
hawkeKernel panic: Attempted to kill init!10:39
hawkean' that's it.10:39
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hawkeAnd the installer doesn't find my bmac ethernet, but I can get around that. :-)10:41
punkassok i have a wierd issue...i do a wlist wlan0 scan and it finds the ESSID and Mac addy of the router.  but iwconfig doesnt show either of them10:41
hawkeTrying to zero the whole disc, and see what that does.10:42
makohawke: yeah, sorry. i don't really know10:55
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hawkemako: No problem, I kinda figured it would not be a quick fix.10:59
hawkemore like a "next version" thing, I suppose. :-/10:59
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XordanThe amd64 iso on the UK server is different to the one on the US server11:05
Xordanand the one on the UK server doesn't work11:06
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Mithrandirmaswan: np, ok. :)11:08
sidneycan anybody tell me how to disable the tapping on my touchpad?11:09
sidneyits really annoying sometimes11:09
hawkeXordan: I can't download the amd64 iso via bittorrent11:15
Xordanme neither11:16
hawkewonder if that's related.11:16
Xordandl'ing of the italy server now11:16
hawkee.g. some undocumented change to the file, and the seeds weren't updated?11:16
XordanI think the Uk servers is corrupt, as it gives me install errors11:17
Xordanand the torrent on there probably points to that one, which nobody has11:17
Keybukbdale: what kernel are you running on your laptop these days?11:19
finim compiling the ck8 kernel right now for mine11:19
makohawke: i would hold of on that judgetment11:20
hawkemako: Not a judgement, just speculation.11:21
makohawke: wait until someone who does ppc comes back with that11:21
finhow do i tell grub to set a schedualer?11:21
fini suppose if i spelled it right.....11:21
crimsunSee Documentation/as-iosched.txt for details11:22
finwhich would you say is the best for a desktop?11:22
crimsuni've used "as" just fine for quite long11:23
michel_vcfq is cool11:24
crimsuni've never used "cfq" so i can't comment11:24
finya im compiling ck8 in right now11:24
finsupposed to have some nice cfq options11:24
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chapeaurougeanyone tried to compile the bcm4400 driver?11:29
APweird, the hardware auto mounter stopped working...11:34
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hawkeHeh, completely wiping the drive didn't help either.  Amazingly.11:46
LeeColletonhawke: I haven't really been following what you're saying, but when I was installing Ubuntu on my X30 thinkpad it somehow locked up the ethernet controller until I completely shutdown and restarted.  This happened on install and twice subsequently during operation.  Did you turn your machine all the way off?11:51
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jomohke_Awake yet, jdub?11:55
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jomohke_Anyone else from sydney that may be able to help?11:55
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tvonI'm having a sound issue on my fresh desktop install.  It seems my bttv card is getting setup as sound card 0, and my sound card is getting setup as sound card 111:56
aessorry, wrong channel11:56
tvonso, /dev/dsp = bttv card and /dev/dsp1 = sound card11:56
tvonhowever everything seems to want to use /dev/dsp11:56
tvonwich sucks11:56
aesone nice trick is to run gstreamer-properties11:57
aesThat affects everything using gstreamer, like totem, rhythmbox, etc.11:58
tvongstreamer-properties cant produce any sound11:58
bdaleKeybuk: on the nc4000?11:58
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bdaleKeybuk: locally-built
aestvon: if you set it to custom and type "osssink device=/dev/dsp1" ?11:59
tvonaes: thanks, that works :)11:59
aescool :)11:59
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tvonthough, enemy territory still wants /dev/dsp11:59
tvonbut tehres an option there somewheres...12:00

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