[12:01] <fin> hmm no luck
[12:01] <fin> still no external mouse
[12:03] <FX|Laptop> Hello wondering if anyone might have an answer to this.  http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=234119
[12:04] <dieman> ok
[12:04] <dieman> now to see if gnome 2.6 doesn't break gnome 2.4
[12:04] <dieman> s/2.6/2.8/
[12:05] <theantix> FX|Laptop, I think it just means you can reach two access points... that's okay because the one you want is listed too
[12:05] <sanitario> FX|Laptop: you shouldn't need the wireless_ap any 
[12:05] <FX|Laptop> So remove the wireless_ap?
[12:05] <sanitario> FX|Laptop: it should be enough with wireless_essid mshome
[12:05] <Greensky> is there a ubuntu forum?
[12:05] <sanitario> I would say so, yes
[12:05] <FX|Laptop> Ok I'll give that a shot.
[12:06] <dieman> hell
[12:06] <dieman> im not even running gnome 2.4 on here. its 2.2
[12:06] <sanitario> FX|Laptop: And I don't think there actually is a wireless_keymode
[12:06] <sanitario> FX|Laptop: It should be wireless_key
[12:06] <lamont> dieman: slacker!
[12:06] <jdub> GOOD MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS!
[12:07] <FX|Laptop> Ok I'll change that too.
[12:07] <dieman> lamont: it all came up ok, yay
[12:07] <dieman> lamont: ive got a 8 proc amd64 machine coming :)
[12:07] <dieman> lamont: 32 gb of memory
[12:07] <sanitario> FX|Laptop: and you don't actually need it either
[12:07] <lamont> dieman: you install gnome2.2 on it and I _will_ drive out there to slap you.. :))
[12:08] <michel_v> dieman: what do they use these beasts for?
[12:08] <FX|Laptop> Ok. Now instead of rebooting. If I remove the cat5 cable I can just run /etc/init.d/networking restart right? Hopefully I'll have wireless?  :D
[12:08] <dieman> michel_v: in this case, teaching
[12:08] <dieman> lamont: hahha
[12:08] <dieman> lamont: it wont have X on it
[12:09] <dieman> lamont: but i might do it just for the visit.
[12:09] <punkass> anyone up for helping me get ndiswrapper working?
[12:09] <sanitario> FX|Laptop: Yeah, that should work, just keep your fingers crossed ;) 
[12:09] <lamont> dieman: must remember to head _east_ one of these vacations...
[12:09] <calc> dieman: cool, haven't seen any 8cpu amd64 yet
[12:09] <dieman> lamont: hehe
[12:09] <FX|Laptop> Ok here it goes. :D Thanks!!!
[12:09] <lamont> they always seem to have a westward-ho kind of theme
[12:09] <sanitario> FX|Laptop: No prob
[12:10] <dieman> calc: yeah, iwill has a mobo that can do it... they aren't going to ship for 28 days, so it might not be out just yet
[12:10] <dieman> calc: it will be fun tho.
[12:10] <punkass> i have ndiswrapper all congiured and installed, but it cant seem to find the dhcp server (router)
[12:10] <dieman> lamont: yeah, we've gone west the last two times
[12:10] <dieman> lamont: actually, to be more exact, california.
[12:11] <calc> dieman: not listed on their website?
[12:11] <calc> dieman: i only see up to 4cpu on their site
[12:11] <dieman> calc: its the qk8s, its on the website, just no info
[12:11] <calc> dieman: hmm it says that it is 4cpu board
[12:11] <dieman> it can be made to do 8 by stringing two of them together
[12:12] <oct> hi
[12:12] <calc> er that is interesting :)
[12:12] <dieman> so we will have half the memory you can put in the box
[12:12] <dieman> the max memory is 64gb
[12:12] <FX|Laptop> Nope its a no go. :(
[12:13] <oct> I installed ubuntu on my office computer
[12:13] <sanitario> FX|Laptop: Didn't work? 
[12:13] <FX|Laptop> No :(
[12:13] <oct> everything works except the X autoconfiguration didn't start in my usual 1280 resolution
[12:14] <FX|Laptop> I even have a signal in the wirelss monitor too. lol
[12:14] <oct> can I help improving the X wizard ?
[12:14] <dieman> crap
[12:14] <dieman> one problem
[12:14] <dieman> all my launcher icons went away in the panel
[12:14] <dieman> shit
[12:14] <dieman> i'll have to find out where they went off to
[12:14] <sanitario> FX|Laptop: Hm, you don't have auto on any of the cards in /etc/network/interfaces, right? 
[12:15] <punkass> FX|Laptop are you using ndiswrapper for your wifi?
[12:15] <FX|Laptop> sanitario, no and punkass, no. My card was picked up on install.
[12:15] <FX|Laptop> I believe the madwifi driver picked it up.
[12:15] <punkass> oh...must be nice....:)
[12:16] <sanitario> FX|Laptop: Did you try ifup ath0 ? Or just /etc/init.d/networking restart ?
[12:16] <punkass> i am going crazy tryin to get the dell D600 on wifi
[12:16] <FX|Laptop> No to the first on and yes to the second sanitario
[12:16] <theantix> punkass, what was that wireless app you pointed to yesterday?  any luck with it?
[12:17] <FX|Laptop> sanitario, when i do that dhcpdiscover cannot find anthing.
[12:17] <sanitario> FX|Laptop: Okay, /etc/init.d/networking just ifup's the ifaces marked auto, so try with ifup ath0
[12:17] <FX|Laptop> ifup
[12:17] <FX|Laptop> DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 8
[12:17] <FX|Laptop> DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 12
[12:17] <FX|Laptop> DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 12
[12:17] <FX|Laptop> DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 14
[12:17] <punkass> well it said it needed dhcpcd instead of the default dhclient but i was getting errors with dhcpcd so i scrapped it for now
[12:17] <FX|Laptop> eeeek. sorry
[12:17] <sanitario> FX|Laptop: Oh, weird
[12:18] <punkass> unitil i can get wifi with normal dhclinet
[12:18] <sanitario> FX|Laptop: Hey, try with wireless_ap 00:09:5B:86:75:66
[12:18] <FX|Laptop> With Slack I had no problem getting madwifi working on here. Ubuntu is giving me heck. lol
[12:18] <sanitario> FX|Laptop: or iwconfig ath0 ap 00:09:5B:86:75:66
[12:19] <sanitario> FX|Laptop: and madwifi works like a charm for me in ubuntu...
[12:19] <FX|Laptop> lol
[12:19] <sanitario> FX|Laptop: but not in debian
[12:19] <FX|Laptop> Not sure why I'm having a pain. :(
[12:20] <FX|Laptop> Error for wireless request "Set AP Address" (8B14) :
[12:20] <FX|Laptop>     SET failed on device ath0 ; Operation not permitted.
[12:21] <sanitario> FX|Laptop: you are root? 
[12:21] <FX|Laptop> I tried sudo and nothing happen when I did that command.
[12:21] <robertj> Hey all, does anyone remember if its SUper Pimp Boot Screen and Phat laptop support or Phat Boot Screen and Pimp Laptop Support
[12:21] <sanitario> FX|Laptop: try setting wireless_essid MSHOME (with caps) and wireless_ap 00:09:5B:86:75:66 in /etc/network/interfaces, and then try ifup ath0
[12:22] <punkass> omg i got it to work
[12:22] <sanitario> robertj: I think it's 'mad phat laptop support'
[12:22] <punkass> and it was the gnome GUI app that did it
[12:22] <robertj> sanitario: thanks
[12:22] <robertj> I hope they put that on the box
[12:22] <robertj> ;)
[12:23] <sanitario> robertj: from the wiki: Usersplash/microsplash/Ubuntusplash aka Mad Phat Splash
[12:23] <FX|Laptop>  sudo ifup ath0
[12:23] <FX|Laptop> ifup: interface ath0 already configured
[12:23] <sanitario> FX|Laptop: ifdown ath0 and then ifup ath0
[12:23] <FX|Laptop> yep just doing that now. :)
[12:23] <robertj> ahh
[12:24] <robertj> So has Super Pimp been deprecated?
[12:24] <sanitario> robertj: I'm not sure, it was something different from the splash as I recall... 
[12:24] <FX|Laptop> hey I think I have something. :)
[12:25] <sanitario> FX|Laptop: working? 
[12:26] <robertj> I just want to make sure we keep a diversity of language :)
[12:27] <FXRS|Laptop> WEEEE. Wireless is working. :)(
[12:27] <sanitario> FXRS|Laptop: Yey!
[12:27] <FXRS|Laptop> Thanks much guys.
[12:27] <sanitario> FXRS|Laptop: Glad to help
[12:27] <FXRS|Laptop> Now I'm going to reboot and see if that works on boot. 
[12:28] <sanitario> FXRS|Laptop: It should. But the config is specific to your own wifi acess point now, based on the MAC-adress
[12:28] <punkass> can i hard code a WEP key into /etc/network/interfaces?
[12:28] <FXRS|Laptop> Before I go. I wonder if it will still work if I remove the mac addy or comment it out.
[12:28] <sanitario> punkass: wireless_key <wep key>
[12:28] <punkass> ah thanks
[12:28] <FXRS|Laptop> I'm going to test that on the reboot.
[12:29] <sanitario> FXRS|Laptop: I think so, I think that it was really the caps on MSHOME that did it
[12:29] <sanitario> FXRS|Laptop: but I might be mistaken
[12:29] <FXRS|Laptop> Wow if thats all it was. lmao
[12:29] <FXRS|Laptop> Well lets find out.
[12:29] <FXRS|Laptop> brb, hopefully.
[12:30] <sanitario> punkass: you might need something like: wireless_key restricted <wep key>
[12:31] <punkass> ah ok
[12:31] <punkass> so i have to do a network restart after editing that file?
[12:32] <sanitario> punkass: you could try it with sudo iwconfig <iface> key restricted <wep key>
[12:33] <punkass> sanitario: thanks it worked
[12:33] <sanitario> punkass: nice
[12:34] <Parisi> Is there an easy way to add xvid/dvd fucntionality to Ubuntu?
[12:34] <tvon|X31> hrm
[12:35] <tvon|X31> Anyone know why tsclient has XDMCP disabled?
[12:35] <K-I-T-T> hi all
[12:35] <Cardador> Parisi: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[12:35] <sanitario> Parisi: I think apt-get install totem-xine should do it.
[12:36] <Cardador> 4. How do I play DVDs?
[12:36] <FX|Laptop> WEEEEEE!!!!! Thanks so very much sanitario.
[12:36] <Parisi> Heh, ty.
[12:36] <FX|Laptop> I had no idea that caps would have an effect.
[12:37] <punkass> sanitario: now is there an easy way to have diff key and essid for another location?
[12:37] <Parisi> Does Ubuntu run any faster (Responsiveness) compared to Fc ?
[12:37] <punkass> Parisi: personally i think so
[12:38] <Parisi> Thats the only thing that keeps me from running fc on my lappy, well tgat and its annoying bugs.
[12:38] <Parisi> that*
[12:38] <sanitario> punkass: I made a home-rolled script to check where I am
[12:38] <punkass> based on essid info?
[12:39] <sanitario> punkass: but I guess that you could use different indexes on the keys, like so: wireless_key restricted 1 <wep_key> and wireless_key restricted 2 <wep_key>
[12:39] <sanitario> but I don't know how that would work
[12:39] <FX|Laptop> sanitario, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&postid=1193879#post1193879
[12:39] <Parisi> So what would make Ubuntu any better or different then say, fedora, other then the package mng?
[12:39] <punkass> would you be willing to share your scirpt? :)
[12:40] <sanitario> punkass: yes, based on essid
[12:40] <sanitario> punkass: it's pretty bad, and it assumes you have encryption at only one of two sites
[12:40] <punkass> ah
[12:41] <sanitario> FX|Laptop: hehe, nice
[12:41] <sanitario> punkass: but I guess you could do a iwlist <iface> scan and grep for ESSID to know where you are
[12:41] <FX|Laptop> Well I like to give people as much credit as I can when I get help.
[12:42] <sanitario> FX|Laptop: That is a nice policy, I try to follow it myself
[12:42] <FX|Laptop> :)
[12:42] <punkass> yeah, that tells me the "operation is not permitted"
[12:43] <sanitario> punkass: you have to be root, so try: sudo iwlist <iface> scan
[12:43] <FX|Laptop> Now to cp that file over to my server to save. :)
[12:43] <punkass> ah thanks
[12:45] <sanitario> punkass: and you just call the script you create with pre-up </path/to/script> in your /etc/network/interfaces
[12:48] <sanitario> Has anyone tried software suspend 2 with ubuntu?
[12:49] <theantix> good question... will try now
[12:50] <sanitario> I couldn't get it work on my Thinkpad T40, although it worked acceptingly well on Debian
[12:51] <dieman> *yawn*
[12:52] <theantix> sanitario, doesn't go into sleep mode for me... it starts to shut down but doesn't quite finish and comes back right away
[12:53] <Mithrandir> theantix: try unloading the USB modules first
[12:54] <sanitario> theantix: are you using software suspend 2 or acpi sleep modes? 
[12:55] <mjg59> Mithrandir: Do you have magic code to enable automatically mounting an encrypted filesystem off an inserted USB device?
[12:55] <Mithrandir> mjg59: no, not yet.
 ... and WHY NOT?
[12:56] <theantix> sanitario, apci sleep mode
[12:56] <robertj> mjg59: you mean using gnome keyring?
[12:56] <mjg59> jdub: Dude, you entirely overstate my antagonism towards fellow humans
[12:56] <mjg59> robertj: Uh, that wasn't what I was thinking of, but I've never actually looked at gnome-keyring
[12:56] <Mithrandir> jdub: because my time is not unlimited. :)
[12:56] <mjg59> What I want is for my GPG key to be in an encrypted filesystem on a USB stick
[12:57] <sanitario> theantix: standby or mem? the only one working for me is mem, and that doesn't suspend half as much as it should. If I leave it over night without AC, the battery runs out. 
[12:57] <mjg59> Then when I plug that in, a dbus event prods something that pops up a window and asks for the keyphrase
[12:57] <_Hiro_> I have the 2.6.8.1-2-686-smp kernel, how do I get the kernel headers for it? :|
[12:58] <robertj> it should just request it via gnome keyring and have keyring prompt if unknown
[12:58] <sanitario> _Hiro_: apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.8.1-2-686-smp
[12:58] <_Hiro_> ah thx a lot
[12:58] <theantix> sanitario, I just do a "echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep" -- if there is a better way than that it's news to me
[12:58] <_Hiro_> it didn't turn up with apt-cache
[12:59] <mjg59> theantix: That's correct
[12:59] <mjg59> theantix: The normal problem is that one of your pieces of hardware has failed to suspend - check dmesg to see if it says something like that
[01:00] <sanitario> theantix: you could do "echo mem > /sys/power/state" but I can't remember if 3 is standby or mem... 
[01:00] <Mithrandir> robertj: no, it should not, g-v-m should do that, the thingy running as root should not
[01:00] <theantix> mjg59, I think it's my pcmcia wireless card that is blocking it
[01:00] <robertj> g-v-m your saying gvm should call gnome-keyring
[01:01] <robertj> or that gvm does it all
[01:01] <mjg59> theantix: The "right" way of doing it is to modify the contents of /etc/acpi
[01:01] <Mithrandir> robertj: g-v-m has no way to set up devmapper partitions
[01:01] <Mithrandir> robertj: that needs to be done as root
[01:01] <jdub> mjg59: when we get consistent/configurable device naming and mount points
[01:01] <mjg59> Then you can have a script that removes modules and ejects PCMCIA cards before suspending
[01:01] <theantix> mjg59, cool, thanks for the tip!  much appreciated
[01:01] <jdub> mjg59: you could symlink .ssh/id_dsa and .gnupg to /media/secure-ring
[01:02] <mjg59> theantix: (For reasons that aren't entirely clear to me, I've ended up in charge of laptop support. In the long run, this is all by problem :) )
[01:02] <jdub> that'd be rad
[01:02] <robertj> Mith: ahh
[01:02] <mjg59> jdub: Yeah, but that doesn't automount the encrypted partition
[01:02] <jdub> mjg59: not yet
[01:02] <mjg59> Ah, I see what you mean
[01:02] <jdub> mjg59: but <handwave> it will
[01:02] <Mithrandir> jdub: you need to call dmsetup with the correct arguments.
[01:02] <Mithrandir> or just cryptsetup
[01:03] <mjg59> At the moment I plug it in and it mounts it at /media/usbstick (after I forced it to pay attention to device labels. The default Debian fstab update system isn't very smart)
[01:03] <jdub> Mithrandir: g-v-m could detect an encrypted block device?
[01:03] <robertj> Mith: Maybe I am just crazy but I expect my volume manager to run as root
[01:03] <jdub> Mithrandir: or hal, really
[01:03] <Mithrandir> robertj: you're crazy.
[01:03] <_Hiro_> thx sanitario that did the job
[01:03] <Mithrandir> robertj: g-v-m runs as your user.
[01:03] <joem> yes crazy
[01:03] <robertj> ?
[01:03] <robertj> I mean that in a very literal way, not as in a haughty "it would be stupid to implement it this way"
[01:03] <sanitario> _Hiro_: no prob
[01:04] <Mithrandir> jdub: hal, possibly, yes.  But then it needs a small bit of love, I guess.. you can extend the things it broadcasts over the dbus without breaking anything, right?
[01:04] <jdub> Mithrandir: yeah
[01:05] <jdub> Mithrandir: but you probably wouldn't have to
[01:05] <jdub> you'd just add some key that says "this is an encrypted block device"
[01:05] <jdub> so a policy mounter would know about it
[01:05] <jdub> and do all the funky stuff in pmount, probably
[01:06] <Mithrandir> jdub: the mounter would need to know keysize, cipher type and such as well, though
[01:06] <jdub> can you detect that from the partition itself?
[01:06] <sanitario> mjg59: So what would you say is the best way to do suspend / hibernation in ubuntu today? On say, a Thinkpad T40 ;) 
[01:06] <Mithrandir> today? no.
[01:06] <Mithrandir> once I've finished my code? certainly.
[01:07] <jdub> block.is_encrypted == 1
[01:07] <jdub> block.crypt_keysize
[01:07] <jdub> block.crypt_cypher
[01:07] <jdub> yada yada
[01:07] <jdub> davidz would be able to make up all the pretty strings for this ;)
[01:08] <Mithrandir> this is a good idea, I'll look a bit more into it that way, I think.
[01:08] <Mithrandir> I'll finish up the on-disk format first and get that part working
[01:08] <jdub> rocking
[01:08] <Capri> Can you recommend any up-to-date laptop fully supported by Ubuntu? Need a new one ;o)
[01:09] <jdub> i would love to have encrypted usb keys!
[01:09] <jdub> Capri: the IBM X40
[01:09] <Mithrandir> Capri: IBM Thinkpad x40s seem to be well-supported
[01:09] <Mithrandir> as half the ubuntu team or so has them.
[01:09] <mjg59> sanitario: Ah, Thinkpads are easier
[01:09] <jdub> Capri: i have a laptopt that is seven times better, but the ACPI still needs love
[01:09] <robertj> Hehe, ;)
[01:09] <mjg59> Firstly, get echo -n 3 >/proc/acpi/sleep to work
[01:09] <robertj> Mith: I guess that's one way of getting support
[01:09] <mjg59> Then you need to fix wakeup
[01:10] <mjg59> To make wakeup work, you need to pass "acpi_sleep=s3_mode noapic" to the kernel
[01:10] <robertj> Does the gnome registry support network backends?
[01:10] <mjg59> robertj: It supports it, but as far as I know nobody has written one
[01:10] <theantix> Mithrandir was right, unloading the usb modules unblocked going into sleep mode 
[01:11] <robertj> OS X's slurping of settings on login works pretty well
[01:11] <robertj> even though tis not super nifty
[01:11] <mjg59> Actually, that's not entirely true. Someone wrote a gconf backend that used mail/.
[01:11] <Capri> ok. one moment. Let me see if it's ok for me...
[01:12] <jdub> robertj: 'gconf' not 'registry'
[01:12] <jdub> robertj: an LDAP backend has been written, but there are authentication issues
[01:12] <jdub> (it needs to have kerberos love)
[01:12] <sanitario> ok, lets try it
[01:12] <mjg59> Anyway, I'm going to bed now
[01:12] <sanitario> mjg59: ok, at least I've got something to play with ;) 
[01:13] <robertj> jdub: kerberos is both incredibly cool and very poorly documented
[01:13] <robertj> I still haven't the foggiest how to add a principle with a non-random key
[01:14] <Mithrandir> holy smoke, Opera supports / search now :)
[01:15] <Mithrandir> robertj: kadmin -l user@KERBEROS.DOMAIN
[01:15] <Mithrandir> uhm
[01:15] <Mithrandir> kadmin -l RET add user@KERBEROS.DOMAIN
[01:15] <Mithrandir> answer the questions
[01:15] <Mithrandir> at least using Heimdal
[01:15] <Capri> jdub: you are looking in this 12 inch display?
[01:17] <jdub> Capri: i don't have the X40, but others do. i have a different ultraportable.
[01:17] <robertj> I think I'm using MIT
[01:17] <robertj> no -l here
[01:17] <robertj> but thanks anyway
[01:17] <jdub> Capri: 12" is not bad -> i thought i'd get a 14", but i'm really happy with mine now.
[01:18] <Mithrandir> robertj: run kadmin, run addprinc $principalname
[01:19] <robertj> Mith: Maybe I am misunderstanding something
[01:20] <robertj> Sitting in my directory I have a key thats like maybe 512 chars long
[01:20] <robertj> which I should be able to use to auth to the directory without a password right?
[01:20] <robertj> err auth to kerberos
[01:20] <robertj> which then auths to GSSAPI and friends
[01:20] <Mithrandir> err
[01:21] <brad[] > Just noticed from a mailing list post that some interesting LDFLAGS are used to build Ubuntu (-Wl,-O1) -  I'm wondering, are these added to the GCC spec file or simply placed in the environment during build?
[01:21] <Mithrandir> robertj: log into the kdc and run kadmin with whatever flag you need to make it operate in local mode.
[01:23] <robertj>  /usr/sbin/kadmin.local as it happens to be ;)
[01:23] <xbsd> Hello ppl!
[01:25] <robertj> Mith: and ;)
[01:25] <xbsd> I just installed Ubuntu but its been a nightmare. It doesn't recognize a bunch of things, so I'm stuck w/ a 800x600 resolution and I can't read my second drive where I had FC2 installed.
[01:25] <Mithrandir> robertj: addprinc user@YOUR.DOMAIN
[01:26] <Mithrandir> robertj: you probably also want both a robertj@YOUR.DOMAIN and robertj/admin@YOUR.DOMAIN
[01:27] <Mithrandir> robertj: http://web.mit.edu/kerberos/www/krb5-1.2/krb5-1.2.6/doc/install.html for instance seems to be a good start
[01:30] <robertj> Mith: I've already got that stuff
[01:30] <robertj> I want to go the opposite way
[01:31] <robertj> I've got a key database and need to add principles
[01:31] <robertj> not passwords
[01:31] <robertj> I don't know if it can even be done
[01:31] <robertj> it would just be nice(TM)
[01:32] <robertj> ;Kerberosv5;0x40bca03b684ccb170000002f0000002d;walter77@RECTITUDE.MUSIC.UGA.EDU;RECTITUDE.MUSIC.UGA.EDU;1024 35 124800650064405513554921718396693098478024231224004301507852778386823771960891022514865488690479778123940333928349925092751288354349970793322282656057260249516256834968769936551065052856787753156509908590004051541897379876629610753721256481394271658537084XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX87493611040776627554048394719 root@localhost.music.uga.e
[01:32] <robertj> du
[01:34] <aim1159> Hello all
[01:34] <aim1159> got some problem with Ubuntu
[01:35] <robertj> Mith: kinda get what I was after?
[01:35] <aim1159> I'm russian and I've been suprised on the locale
[01:35] <Mithrandir> robertj: no, not really..
[01:35] <aim1159> Whom could I speak about making russian locale KOI8-R by default?
[01:36] <robertj> Mith: feeding that key along with the principle should allow you to auth as that user, correct?
[01:36] <robertj> but I'm suspecting im missing something from the cryptographic equation that I can't recover
[01:37] <Mithrandir> robertj: I don't see why you want to preserve those old keys?
[01:38] <robertj> I might not need to
[01:38] <robertj> I haven't messed with it a bunch. kinit doesn't work because there are no principles.
[01:38] <robertj> Bulk adding principles would be okay if I can take their new keys and stick em in the directory and have the os x clients magically work
[01:39] <housetier> aim1159, you can use "dpkg-reconfigure locales" to generate all the locales you wish to use
[01:40] <housetier> aim1159, but I have to think some more about how to make them default
[01:40] <aim1159> housetier: I know about this. and I could install the locale and configure /etc/environment and install console-cyrillic (the package wich most russian/ukranian/bellarusian users use).
[01:40] <robertj> but if the keys are tied in with their passwords, then they would needto stay the same
[01:40] <aim1159> but i'm talkin 'bout totally newby who will be shocked with iso-8859-5 locale installed by default
[01:41] <aim1159> housetier: it's tooo late here (3:45 am) and I need to have some sleep.
[01:41] <aim1159> what address I could write to make some suggestion?
[01:41] <FX|Laptop> Hello
[01:42] <FX|Laptop> Could I ask another question?
[01:42] <jdub> aim1159: ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
[01:42] <Capri> just a short question to synaptic behavior. i choose "mark to fully remove" (free translation german->english ;) ) and there are the configuration files left. shouldn't this be the behave for "mark to remove"?
[01:42] <aim1159> jdub: it's a discussion list? or some maintainer?
[01:42] <FX|Laptop> I would like to load ubuntu on my gaming machine with dual boot XP. Will ubuntu notice the xp and make a listing for it in grub.
[01:42] <jdub> aim1159: list
[01:42] <jdub> Capri: no, 'fully remove' in synaptic means 'purge', which removes all configuration and so on
[01:43] <FX|Laptop> whereis pcmcia would work too right?
[01:43] <jdub> Capri: just removing leaves some configuration state behind
[01:43] <aim1159> jdub: ok. thank you. I will write down small "composition" on this issue and send it to the list :))))
[01:43] <aim1159> have a nice day!
[01:43] <aim1159> bb
[01:43] <FX|Laptop> eeeek wrong room
[01:43] <Capri> jdub: yeah I always choose fully remove but all these packages are listed in left configurations
[01:44] <robertj> Mith: do you know if the key is in addition to the password?
[01:44] <Capri> So I have to fully remove the fully removed packages again to remove the configs, too
[01:44] <robertj> (kinda off topic I know)
[01:44] <Mithrandir> robertj: the key is held by the KDC only.
[01:45] <robertj> Mith: there are two keys, right?
[01:45] <robertj> public and private
[01:45] <chapeaurouge> no network here... how do i go get gcc to compile my nw card module?
[01:45] <chapeaurouge> :)
[01:45] <robertj> private in the kdc and public in the directory
[01:46] <schvenk> i've got ububtu all configured on my Powerbook and am now tackling a PC. I want to set up a dual-boot WinXP/ubuntu system...do i need to create a boot partition or do anything else other than installing ubuntu on root and swap partitions and windows on a third?
[01:46] <xbsd> Guys, how do I mount my second drive? I am adding /dev/hdc1 as /mnt/hdc1 in fstab but it says: /mnt/hdc1 does not exist
[01:46] <robertj> I don't think so because any client with a valid config file can run kinit and auth without a private key
[01:47] <Capri> schvenk: nothing special to do. just leave the XP partitions untouched. Ubuntu detects XP and inserts a new boot menu entry
[01:47] <schvenk> so i should install xp first then?
[01:47] <housetier> xbsd, have you thought of creating the mount point?
[01:47] <Capri> schvenk: simpler to do this way because XP will overwrite the bootloader
[01:48] <schvenk> capri: cool, thanks
[01:48] <xbsd> housetier, how do I do that? I come from Fedora so I never had to.
[01:49] <housetier> xbsd, I think 'mkdir' might be helpful :)
[01:49] <Capri> schvenk: but you have to choose the manual partition in Ubuntu install...
[01:49] <xbsd> housetier, just like that? I just create a dir for every mountpoint in /mnt?
[01:49] <Slackeerb> Can some help me burn a .dmg cd image?
[01:50] <schvenk> capri: right...though i imagine there's no problem setting up the initial (xp) partition via the xp installer?
[01:50] <Capri> Slackeerb: what's that? which app makes dmg files?
[01:50] <robertj> Slackererb: is this a Mac dmg?
[01:50] <robertj> Caprj: OS X disk images are .dmg files
[01:50] <TerminX> when is find in firefox going to be fixed?
[01:51] <Slackeerb> Capri: i duno heh. Its a mac os x cd image. =). Im trying to use PearPC.
[01:51] <robertj> You can user Disk Utility to burn them
[01:51] <Capri> schvenk: no problem. just leave empty space for the linux partis
[01:51] <housetier> xbsd, well yes I think so :) 
[01:51] <robertj> on OS X.3
[01:51] <dalderman> morning all
[01:51] <dalderman> any kernel people in?
[01:51] <xbsd> housetier, thx
[01:51] <Capri> Slackeerb: ah ok. I have no idea of Mac... ;o)
[01:51] <sabdfl> night all
[01:52] <Slackeerb> Capri: im on ubuntu. I trying to burn this image thow.
[01:52] <dalderman> housetier, don't you ever sleep!
[01:52] <Slackeerb> Anyone know hot to burn a .dmg cd image on linux?
[01:52] <dalderman> I got an Alps pointing device that I'd like to get working, anyone know if there are plans to put the alps.patch into the Ubuntu released kernels?
[01:53] <dalderman> Slackeerb, no sorry, what's a .dmg file?
[01:53] <Slackeerb> dalderman: its a cd iamge file like an iso.
[01:53] <dalderman> Slackeerb, not the same as an iso?
[01:53] <housetier> dalderman, I am the genetically engineered product of man + dolphin, when in "sleep mode" one half of the brain is still "awake" :)
[01:53] <dalderman> Slackeerb, cdrecord ?
[01:53] <Capri>  Its a mac os x cd image. =). Im trying to use PearPC. ----^
[01:53] <dalderman> housetier, lol!
[01:53] <Slackeerb> dalderman: i cant right click and slect burn as i can with an .iso
[01:54] <dalderman> housetier, you in the UK?
[01:54] <dalderman> Slackeerb, try the command line tool first perhaps?  Nautilus doesn't know what to do with a .dmg file
[01:54] <housetier> dalderman, I am in .de
[01:54] <dalderman> housetier, so it's even later there! blimey
[01:55] <dalderman> housetier, so you must be suffering with all the noise pollution in the seas then
[01:55] <housetier> insomnia is a bliss! (or however that saying goes)
[01:55] <dalderman> housetier, :-) I know the feeling, I have AS so I don't sleep much myself
[01:56] <dalderman> housetier, why can't I find the kernel source for the version that I'm running in aptitude?
[01:57] <housetier> linux-source you must look for young Jedi
[01:57] <schvenk> having a weird display issue with my powerbook: when i reboot from OS X back into ubuntu, there's what looks like a problem with the refresh rate...the screen flickers and there's a "ghost" image an inch or two to the right of the main image. rebooting again fixes it.
[01:57] <dalderman> housetier, I have got 2.6.8.1-blah, yet in aptitude I can only see 2.6.7 ?
[01:57] <Capri> Slackeerb: Have a look here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/01/msg05920.html
[01:58] <dalderman> schvenk, sorry, no idea on iBooks, sorry
[01:58] <Capri> Some explanation for your dmg files
[01:58] <housetier> dalderman, aptitude doesn't seem know about it then, for some obscure reason
[01:58] <Capri> I think it is not possible without osX
[01:58] <dalderman> housetier, can you see it, i.e. is it actually available?
[01:59] <dalderman> housetier, got it
[01:59] <housetier> dalderman, I don't have a computer with ubuntu at hand atm
[01:59] <Slackeerb> Capri: help a litlle. =/. thx
[01:59] <dalderman> housetier, I was looking for kernel-source..... duh!
[02:00] <housetier> dalderman, [01:57:14] <housetier> linux-source you must look for young Jedi <- ;)
[02:00] <dalderman> housetier, yeah, it's late :-)
[02:00] <dalderman> housetier, does that have the Ubuntu patches included?
[02:01] <robertj> Capri: Toast on OS 9 probably coulkd ;)
[02:01] <housetier> dalderman, I would very much assume so, yes
[02:01] <Mithrandir> theantix: we have a great bunch of users as well. :)
[02:02] <housetier> (much better than #debian or #debian.de)
[02:02] <Capri> Slackeerb: I've found a description how to make isos out of this dmg in MacOS. Do u need it?
[02:03] <dalderman> housetier, all this just to make my trackpad work, it's Alps not Synaptic!
[02:05] <housetier> dalderman, well as long as you get your exotic hardware working I don't mind which disease keeps you from sleeping :)
[02:05] <dalderman> housetier, it's not that exotic, many tosh and Asus laptops have it, just wasn't put in for some reason???
[02:06] <Capri> jdub: Do you think I should open a bug report because of this synaptic "must-double" fully remove? I try it now with C locale. Maybe the translation is wrong...
[02:06] <dalderman> housetier, unfortunately my scummy disease it :-)
[02:06] <housetier> dalderman, don't ask me about reason :) 
[02:06] <housetier> dalderman, I unplugged the touchpad on this laptop
[02:07] <dalderman> housetier, wish I could get rid of mine, I' more of a nipple man myself ;-)
[02:07] <LinuxJones> Hi Everyone
[02:07] <dalderman> lo
[02:07] <housetier> hello LinuxJones 
[02:07] <Capri> jdub: nop. it is the same menu entry.
[02:07] <LinuxJones> I installed Ubuntu today and I love it already :D
[02:07] <housetier> :D
[02:07] <housetier> I know what you mean
[02:08] <dalderman> LinuxJones, that's what we like to hear
[02:08] <Slackeerb> Capri: to convert do file does it involve haveing a mac?
[02:08] <LinuxJones> guys did an awesome job :)
[02:09] <dalderman> LinuxJones, I feel a "but...." question coming :-)
[02:09] <Capri> Slackeerb: yes. I am sorry, I read on this text later and now know that it is no standard iso. not helpful at all.
[02:09] <Slackeerb> Capri: thx anyways. =)
[02:09] <LinuxJones> dalderman, no heh :)
[02:10] <LinuxJones> dalderman, everything is runnign perfectly 
[02:10] <dalderman> LinuxJones, you mean you just came to praise, aren't you good :-)
[02:10] <LinuxJones> except my typing skilsl can you fix that ??
[02:10] <Slackeerb> dalderman: i got a but question comein on ;)
[02:10] <Slackeerb> but why cant I burn a .dmg file!
[02:10] <Slackeerb> =)
[02:10] <dalderman> lol
[02:11] <dalderman> althought I am attempting to get there
[02:11] <dalderman> Ross of soundjuicer fame is my mentor
[02:11] <Parisi> jesus..
[02:12] <LinuxJones> I am looking forward to the Live CD/DVD to become available, later this year.
[02:12] <dalderman> Parisi, you know Ross?
[02:12] <Parisi> I just came to realozed the number of modules loaded on my Ubuntu lappy..
[02:12] <dalderman> oh
[02:12] <Parisi> Realize*
[02:12] <dalderman> yeah
[02:12] <dalderman> LOADS
[02:12] <Parisi> Is this natural?
[02:12] <dalderman> yeah
[02:13] <Parisi> Wouldnt that possibily slow down my poor lap?>
[02:13] <jdub> Parisi: no, it's normal
[02:13] <Parisi> I find it laggy at times.
[02:13] <Parisi> Ok.
[02:13] <Parisi> way too many processes as well.
[02:13] <Parisi> More then id seen under Fedora.
[02:14] <lamont> Parisi: on some architectures, modules are slightly slower (PIC vs non-PIC), i386 uses the same instructions...
[02:15] <lamont> amd64 is diff though, dunno which calling sequence is faster.
[02:15] <lamont> no clue on ppc
[02:15] <Parisi> :0
[02:16] <Parisi> Ill be back later, going to leave this running on my laptop till i come back..:0
[02:22] <dalderman> Is there a graceful way to add a patch to some kernel source and then build a .deb?  I'm a kernel building viring on Debian... done it before on evil RedHat
[02:22] <dalderman> s/viring/virgin
[02:23] <dalderman> not to worry
[02:23] <dalderman> found the docs
[02:24] <dalderman> ooooo pretty pictures of 2 galaxies colliding on bbc news
[02:25] <LinuxJones> what package is modconf installed with ?
[02:25] <dalderman> dpkg -S /path/to/file
[02:26] <housetier> apt-cache show modconf ;)
[02:26] <LinuxJones> it's not in my repository I did a search for modconf and modutils
[02:26] <dalderman> oh, ok, probably better, I didn't know it was a package in itself
[02:27] <dalderman> the line I gave tells you what package a file belongs to
[02:27] <dalderman> always handy
[02:33] <housetier> LinuxJones, you can just download the .deb from debian.org, however be aware you won't have a pure ubuntu system anymore. I have done it and haven't had problems so far :)
[02:36] <LinuxJones> housetier, I am jsut wondering why it's not installed with ubuntu I have to check my apt/sources.lst
[02:37] <housetier> there might be a script that loads every module one could use on a certain system
[02:42] <utta> Anybody get sound working?
[02:42] <housetier> sure did
[02:42] <LinuxJones> utta, yes my soundblaster live is running fine
[02:43] <dalderman> aye
[02:43] <dalderman> even crappy i180 sound at that
[02:43] <theantix> utta, did you test all the controls in the mixer?
[02:43] <utta> LinuxJones, Hmm.. I have an emu10k1, all modules seem loaded, but no joy. You have to do any fiddling?
[02:44] <dalderman> make sure the pcm control is up?
[02:44] <utta> theantix, Yep, checked that all were unmuted etc.
[02:44] <LinuxJones> I am using alsa which uses the snd_emu10k1 drivers
[02:45] <LinuxJones> ubuntu set it all up for me .... did you manually load emu10k1 ?
[02:45] <utta> LinuxJones, so am I. I find that alsaconf is missing from my install though. Nope I did not, ubuntu set all that up for me as well
[02:47] <nictuku> are you guys running ubuntu as a server anywhere? ubuntu.com server is not Ubuntu, right?
[02:48] <Mithrandir> nictuku: why wouldn't it be?
[02:48] <utta> LinuxJones, what does the alsa-base section of your /etc/modules.conf file look like?
[02:48] <nictuku> well last time I checked there were no banners in Apache. And they should, for advertizing it.
[02:49] <LinuxJones> utta, did you select start sound server at gnome startup from Computer>>Desktop Preferences>>Sound ?
[02:49] <utta> LinuxJones, Yes I did, I also ave the sound Icon showing on top right of my display
[02:50] <nictuku> in case any employee is here, are you guys hiring or something? :P
[02:50] <mdz> nictuku: yes, we run Ubuntu on our servers
[02:51] <LinuxJones> utta, the only thing referenced is "above snd-pcm snd-pcm-oss"
[02:52] <utta> LinuxJones, Thanks I have that as well. Ok back to fiddling then... Thanks all for the help!
[02:52] <LinuxJones> utta, rmmod emu10k1 and then modprobe snd_emu10k1
[02:53] <nictuku> I have many customers that run Linux. Currently we are using Fedora "on them" because Debian "oldness" was an issue. I would be really happy to use Ubuntu "on" these guys. Will you sell Ubuntu on boxes? That would be a good move for the corporative market, at least in Brazil. Red Hat pays no attention here, SuSE has become much bigger than RH.
[02:53] <utta> LinuxJones, I have snd_emu10k1 loaded
[02:54] <LinuxJones> do you have emu10k1 loaded as well ?
[02:54] <nictuku> any plans for foreign business partnerships or something?
[02:54] <utta> LinuxJones, No
[02:57] <LinuxJones> you could try adding oss to the /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base file then restart sound.
[03:00] <|trey|> LinuxJones: most people are trying to ease AWAY from OSS... :/
[03:01] <_Hiro_> how can I make fileroller work with rar files? I added unrar but that complains about an unknow -c option when I select a rar file
[03:01] <xbsd> Hello people, I can't change my screen resolution in Gnome, what's the equiv. of xfree86.config in Ubuntu?
[03:01] <Mithrandir> xbsd: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[03:01] <xbsd> thx
[03:01] <dalderman> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[03:02] <|trey|> xbsd: where is it called xfree86.config?  /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 is what you want though
[03:02] <LinuxJones> |trey|, yes I know
[03:02] <|trey|> xbsd: xorg.config exists using xorg... NEVER was a file called xfree86.config though  :/
[03:02] <jdub> nictuku: we're not going to sell ubuntu
[03:02] <jdub> nictuku: but we're going to support it, and partner to support it
[03:02] <LinuxJones> |trey|, I am hoping that he has oss loading and by adding it to the blacklist it will force oss modules NOT to load :D
[03:02] <jdub> nictuku: if you have any suggestions, please mail jeff.waugh@canonical.com :-) thanks!
[03:03] <dalderman> jdub, have you come up with any prices yet?
[03:03] <mdz> LinuxJones: all of the oss modules are blacklisted by default in /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base
[03:03] <|trey|> jdub: you really shouldn't post that in public ya know... you're gonna have a lot of spam now  :)
[03:03] <dalderman> jdub, I refuse to pay for Windoze, but this... yeah
[03:03] <LinuxJones> jdub, jeff is up for suggestions/partnerships liek that ?
[03:03] <mdz> LinuxJones: (or should be)
[03:03] <jdub> dalderman: our model is unlikely to involve 'prices for support' on the website :)
[03:03] <mdz> LinuxJones: jdub == jeff :-)
[03:03] <jdub> LinuxJones: that's me :-)
[03:03] <|trey|> jdub: shame SpamAsassin isn't working  :(
[03:04] <jdub> LinuxJones: but for that kind of stuff, i really prefer mail to irc ;)
[03:04] <LinuxJones> mdz: yes I know they are on my system as well he is having trouble with alsa not working for him
[03:04] <jdub> |trey|: install spamc + spamassassin from universe
[03:04] <LinuxJones> jdub, oh heh :D
[03:04] <dalderman> jdub, so on a per company basis?
[03:04] <tseng> mdz: any luck with myth?
[03:04] <mdz> tseng: yeah, builds clean
[03:04] <jdub> dalderman: mmm, and via partnerships, etc.
[03:04] <tseng> mdz: :)
[03:04] <jdub> tseng: you're doing myth stuff too? :)
[03:04] <mdz> tseng: waiting for build-deps, and then it'll go into universe
[03:05] <|trey|> jdub: I SO KNEW THAT
[03:05] <|trey|> jdub: thanks  :)
[03:05] <tseng> jdub: im a myth user, sure
[03:05] <dalderman> jdub, we'll be using it at work, and we are willing to pay for support so info would be cool.  I'll watch the website
[03:05] <joem> tseng, you are a madman
[03:05] <jdub> dalderman: perhaps mail me with details
[03:05] <tseng> joem: sup baby
[03:05] <jdub> dalderman: of what kind of support you're looking for, etc.
[03:05] <dalderman> jdub, k
[03:05] <brad-> heheh
[03:06] <|trey|> tseng: you are getting WAY too familier with the regulars  :)
[03:06] <joem> tseng, not much, enjoying a working desktop for once
[03:06] <tseng> |trey|: no way, thats my partner in crime.
[03:06] <brad-> I love bayesian mail filtering, I've never had the need to hide my email address either ;)
[03:06] <|trey|> tseng: :)
[03:06] <LinuxJones> jdub, I have a great idea that i have been mulling over for the past year and a half. I will send you the low-down and see what you think.
[03:06] <jdub> ok
[03:06] <dalderman> jdub, where is the best place to email?
[03:08] <jdub> dalderman: jeff.waugh@canonical.com
[03:09] <dalderman> jdub, do you know Ross B Soundjuicer man?
[03:09] <tvon|X31> Hey, I saw a blog entry somewhere about a week ago about someone who was running Ubuntu and they mentioned the laptop power management.
[03:09] <tvon|X31> They suggested an alternative,but I dont recall what the current one is or the alternative, and I'm not sure where to find out..
[03:10] <xbsd> I don't get it, /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 seems to identify my graphic devices correctly, so why they do not appear in Gbome's Device Manager? 
[03:10] <tvon|X31> So...where might I find that info? (what the current laptop battery/power mgmt 'tool' is)
[03:10] <jdub> dalderman: yeah
[03:10] <dalderman> jdub, he sits next to me at work and eats my jelly babies :-)
[03:10] <jdub> ha ha
[03:11] <jdub> although
[03:11] <jdub> i am also sad
[03:11] <jdub> because i know that you are subjected to java
[03:11] <jdub> ;_)
[03:11] <dalderman> jdub, I got him into Linux, he pulled me from RH to Debian and now Ubuntu
[03:11] <jdub> heh
[03:11] <dalderman> jdub, hehehe, not me, I get away with it, I mostly look after the network/servers (including windoze :-( )
[03:12] <dalderman> jdub, although I do some dev when required, mostly C tho
[03:12] <dalderman> jdub, Ross is a much better coder than me
[03:12] <dalderman> jdub, and a very good friend :-)
[03:13] <jdub> you are lucky
[03:13] <dalderman> jdub, I took the photos of him at his wedding that are on burtonini.com
[03:13] <jdub> oh, they were great
[03:13] <jdub> i'm getting married in april
[03:13] <dalderman> :-)
[03:13] <dalderman> ty
[03:13] <dalderman> cool
[03:13] <jdub> so pipka liked those
[03:13] <dalderman> lol
[03:13] <dalderman> you are in Oz?
[03:14] <aethyr> heh, I dunno if you were asking me, but I'm in NY
[03:14] <dalderman> jdub, I'll bring my 300D and snap all you like if I can blag the holiday :-) 
[03:15] <aethyr> apparently a lot of people were reading it O_o   I came home from work today to a bunch of messages from various people
[03:15] <jdub> ciao
[03:15] <dalderman> ciao
[03:15] <xbsd> OK guys, by default the system is using the info in XF86Config-4, right?
[03:15] <dalderman> xbsd, yeah
[03:16] <aethyr> pants? pants are overrated :P
[03:16] <dalderman> aethyr, depends what country you're in
[03:16] <aethyr> pantless country
[03:16] <xbsd> So, why everything is identified correctly in XFConfig-4 and does not appear in the Device manager?
[03:17] <brad-> xbsd: They're unrelated
[03:17] <dalderman> xbsd, XF86Config-4 is just for the display and the input devices, not *everyting*
[03:18] <xbsd> dalderman, I know, but not even the monitor or the video card appears in the Device manager
 xbsd: They're unrelated
[03:20] <xbsd> dalderman, Ok, then how can I change my screen resolution? I'm stuck with a 640x480 at 60Hz and I can't change it in Gnome
[03:22] <dalderman> xbsd, there are a few ways, most people just edit their XF86Config-4, but that can be a bit hairy
[03:23] <xbsd> dalderman, no, that's exactly what I was saying. XF86Config-4 is correct, everything is identified perfectly there
[03:24] <dalderman> you sure you have the right X driver?
[03:24] <WW>  Are there many differences between Gnome 2.6 and 2.8?  The help file is for 2.6.
[03:24] <xbsd> Video card, monitor, resolutions, everything.
[03:24] <LinuxJones> xbsd, do yu have an nvidia based card ?
[03:24] <dalderman> you could try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 as root
[03:24] <xbsd> Nope, is an ATI Radeon
[03:24] <LinuxJones> xbsd, ahh
[03:24] <xbsd> ATI All-in-Wonder 9600XT
[03:25] <LinuxJones> xbsd, I had the same problems but after installing the nvidia drivers all was fine.
[03:25] <dalderman> xbsd, I believe you need to visit ati.com, unless someone else here knows if the ati drivers are in a dep repository somewhere?
[03:26] <elmo> is anyone around who was having problem with getting corrupted (full of null) Sources.gz files?
[03:26] <xbsd> I'll give it a try, although I'm not after the facy acel or stuff. The screen resolution is the only thing that is driving me nuts.
[03:26] <TongMaster> yep
[03:26] <LinuxJones> xbsd, there is something aout ati drivers on the ubuntu wiki 
[03:26] <TongMaster> elmo, what do you need tested/
[03:26] <dalderman> xbsd, I have nVidia and i810 so I am a little unsure, I've never done an ATI, but I know there are drivers for X made by ATI on their www
[03:27] <theantix> for ati/nvidia binaries: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:27] <LinuxJones> xbsd, here you go >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:27] <xbsd> Yep, there are some linux drivers @ ati.com, I'll give'em a shot
[03:27] <theantix> LinuxJones, mine was a shorter link ;-)
[03:27] <xbsd> ah, thanks LinuxJones
[03:28] <dalderman> I'm compiling a kernel.... may laptop is cooking my lap!
[03:28] <dalderman> Celetontastic
[03:28] <dalderman> Celerontastic even
[03:28] <elmo> TongMaster: please try and see if you can reproduce the problem again
[03:29] <TongMaster> elmo, doing now
[03:29] <LinuxJones> theantix, yes but mine had the cool >> pointers :D
[03:29] <theantix> =)
[03:29] <LinuxJones> xbsd, sure
[03:29] <jeremy1701> Hello!
[03:29] <TongMaster> elmo, gettong 104's
[03:29] <jeremy1701> New to Ubuntu
[03:29] <jeremy1701> Had a few q's
[03:29] <elmo> TongMaster: 104?
[03:29] <jeremy1701> Hoping for some a's
[03:29] <xbsd> brb
[03:29] <elmo> TongMaster: sorry, had to restart apache - try now
[03:30] <jeremy1701> Can I just shoot?
[03:30] <dalderman> jeremy1701, aye
[03:30] <crimsun> elmo: i'm still getting them
[03:30] <TongMaster> elmo, will do when it finishes 
[03:31] <jeremy1701> 1) I've got a smb share on my desktop that I can browse, but I'm wondering where it's mounted?
[03:31] <elmo> crimsum: ok, thanks
[03:31] <LinuxJones> When I try to create a new document it says there are no document templates available. Anybody know a fix for this ?? 
[03:31] <dalderman> jeremy1701, it's probably not
[03:31] <dalderman> jeremy1701, it's being browsed like network n/hood in Winblowz
[03:32] <jeremy1701> If I right-click, it gives me an option to unmount
[03:32] <jeremy1701> I see, but I can mount it?
[03:32] <jeremy1701> Like normal?
[03:32] <jeremy1701> smbmount
[03:32] <dalderman> jeremy1701, yeah
[03:32] <goatboy_> LinuxJones: add files to ~/Templates
[03:33] <Curti1> I need help configuring my wireless netcard.  Does anyone know how to set the password?
[03:33] <jeremy1701> 2) Is there a 3D accelerated mach64 package available?
[03:34] <jeremy1701> Curti1, what do you mean password? Key?
[03:34] <Curti1> jeremy1701: Yes.
[03:34] <jeremy1701> iwconfig eth0 key xxxxxxxx
[03:34] <jeremy1701> for 64 bit
[03:34] <jeremy1701> iwconfig eth0 key xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[03:34] <jeremy1701> for 128
[03:35] <Curti1> jeremy1701: thanks, but I think I'm confused.  I mean the wireless network name.
[03:35] <dalderman> Curti1, you can set it permamnently in your /etc/interfaces file with the option wireless_key
[03:35] <elmo> anyone on this IP: 193.174.67.20 ?
[03:35] <jeremy1701> iwconfig eth0 essid name
[03:35] <dalderman> Curti1, use wireless_essid
[03:35] <Curti1> dalderman: thanks.
[03:36] <Curti1> jeremy1701: thanks.
[03:36] <jeremy1701> Curti1, dalderman has the better solution
[03:36] <dalderman> Curti1, sorry /etc/network/interfaces
[03:36] <jeremy1701> So anyway...
[03:36] <jeremy1701> 2) Is there a 3D accelerated mach64 package available?
[03:36] <utta> LinuxJones, I have solved my sound problem
[03:36] <dalderman> jeremy1701, I have no idea
[03:36] <jeremy1701> This is a busy forum!
[03:36] <LinuxJones> utta, what was the problem ?
[03:36] <jeremy1701> Whew!
[03:36] <dalderman> jeremy1701, apt-cache serach mach64  ???
[03:36] <jeremy1701> That's what I was looking for!
[03:37] <jeremy1701> Sorry, new Mandrake convert, we use urpmi, not apt-get
[03:37] <utta> LinuxJones, the "sound" file was missing from the /etc/modprobe.d directory.
[03:38] <jeremy1701> 1 more question
[03:39] <dalderman> jeremy1701, I shall do my best
[03:39] <fin> how do i turn off gdm/xdm?
[03:39] <jeremy1701> Running Ubuntu on a latop, is there any way to get the fnc+f4 key to cycle LCD > External > Both?
[03:39] <fin> i rather just get a console prompt
[03:39] <LinuxJones> utta, glad you got it working :D
[03:39] <dalderman> fin, /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[03:39] <fin> and that forever turns it off?
[03:39] <dalderman> jeremy1701, now you're asking
[03:39] <dalderman> fin, no, uninstall it
[03:40] <LinuxJones> fin,  to stop running a graphical login menu or you want to change which one runs ?
[03:40] <fin> i wanna stop running the login menu
[03:40] <fin> for the time being
[03:40] <fin> im doing alot of rebooting and its a k6-300
[03:40] <fin> trying to get sound and such to work so its a pita atm
[03:40] <jeremy1701> dalderman, yes :) now I'm asking
[03:40] <utta> LinuxJones, A favor please, see if you have the alsaconf file in your usr/sbin/ dir
[03:40] <dalderman> jeremy1701, that's a hard one, if it helps I have the same problem with my tosh sat pro A10
[03:41] <WW> I am using Matlab, and when it starts up, it prints the following many time:
[03:41] <WW> Font specified in font.properties not found [-*-standard symbols l-medium-r-normal--*-%d-*-*-p-*-adobe-fontspecific]  
[03:41] <LinuxJones> utta, no I don't 
[03:41] <LinuxJones> utta, no jsut alsactl
[03:41] <dalderman> jeremy1701, what laptop?
[03:41] <LinuxJones> and alsamixer
[03:41] <WW> Does that mean anything to anyone here?
[03:41] <WW> Are there fonts that I have to install?
[03:41] <jeremy1701> Compaq Armada m700
[03:41] <dalderman> jeremy1701, the short answer is probably either mail the ubuntu user list or file a bug on bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:41] <jeremy1701> ATI mobilty rage m/p
[03:42] <utta> LinuxJones, I think I have the answer - alsaconf is required for setting up the sound file, but is missing from the alsa-utils package in ubuntu
[03:42] <jeremy1701> I can't seem to get 3D acceleration working either
[03:42] <jeremy1701> There are install scripts for the mach64 driver, but they tell me they can't find the kernel mdules?
[03:42] <jeremy1701> **modules
[03:42] <LinuxJones> fin you can just "update-rc.d -f gdm remove" will prevent it from booting gdm
[03:43] <fin> thanks
[03:43] <jeremy1701> I've installed the kernel source
[03:43] <TongMaster> elmo, http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages [ERROR]  sub-process gzip returned error code (1)
[03:43] <jeremy1701> What more do I need?
[03:43] <TongMaster> elmo, for restricted sources and packages as well. four in total
[03:43] <dalderman> jeremy1701, sorry, a bit out of my depth with this one, I have never tried with that hardware
[03:44] <fin> and will changing remove to add re add it later?
[03:44] <jeremy1701> dalderman, thanks :)
[03:44] <jeremy1701> Anyone else know how to install kernel modules?
[03:44] <elmo> TongMaster: okay, thanks for testng.. I'm just ruling stuff out.. 
[03:44] <Tjoklat> cp samba.conf.example to samba.conf
[03:45] <TongMaster> :)
[03:45] <utta> jeremy1701, what do you want to know?
[03:45] <jeremy1701> There are install scripts for the mach64 driver, but they tell me they can't find the kernel mdules?
[03:45] <LinuxJones> utta, I have alsa-base, alsa-utils, gstreamer8.0-alsa and libpt-plugins-alsa installed
[03:45] <dalderman> jeremy1701, if they are compiled already modprobe
[03:45] <Tjoklat> hi TongMaster :)
[03:45] <jeremy1701> I can get the error, brb
[03:45] <TongMaster> heya Tjoklat
[03:46] <fin> ya im having fun with my ess1879 sound! weee
[03:46] <fin> lol
[03:46] <utta> LinuxJones, I checked a stock Debian install, and alsaconf is in the alsa-utils package. Time to post a bug I think...
[03:46] <jeremy1701> I'm back.
[03:46] <jeremy1701> Here's the error I get
[03:46] <jeremy1701> Makefile:169: *** Cannot find a kernel config file.  Stop.
[03:46] <jeremy1701> Anyone?
[03:46] <dalderman> jeremy1701, you are missing the kernel-headers and / or kernel source package
[03:47] <LinuxJones> utta, probably wouldn't hurt :D
[03:47] <jeremy1701> What's the command for apt-check and see if that's installed?
[03:48] <utta> jeremy1701, did you get the mach stuff as kernel-patch?
[03:48] <dalderman> you can use aptitude and search using the / key
[03:48] <jeremy1701> No, I got it from retinalburn.com
[03:48] <jeremy1701> It's for the 2.6 kernel
[03:48] <utta> jeremy1701, do you have a set of kernel-sources?
[03:48] <dalderman> jeremy1701, do you have 2.6.8.1 installed?
[03:49] <dalderman> jeremy1701, i.e. latest on Ubuntu?
[03:49] <jeremy1701> Latest Ubuntu
[03:49] <jeremy1701> 2.6.8.1-2-386
[03:49] <jeremy1701> I have kernel-sources installed
[03:49] <dalderman> jeremy1701, apt-get install linux-source-2.6.8.1
[03:49] <jeremy1701> brb
[03:50] <dalderman> jeremy1701, kernel-sources will give you 2.6.7... old
[03:50] <utta> jeremy1701, have you a symlink from /usr/src/linux pointing to /usr/src/kernel-source-xxx?
[03:50] <jeremy1701> dalderman, already installed
[03:50] <jeremy1701> utta, brb
[03:50] <jeremy1701> utta, no
[03:51] <jeremy1701> utta, should I?
[03:51] <dalderman> jeremy1701, yes, assuming you have undone the tarball
[03:52] <jeremy1701> the tarball is unzipped and untared (?? is that a word :)
[03:52] <dalderman> jeremy1701, you have a symlink?
[03:53] <jeremy1701> But it's not kernel source, should it be linux-source
[03:53] <jeremy1701> I'll make it now
[03:53] <dalderman> jeremy1701, depends what one you installed, for some reason there is a kernel-source package (2.6.7) and a linux-source package (2.6.8.1)
[03:54] <dalderman> jeremy1701, personally I would say make sure you are using linux-source as it matches the version of ther kernel you are running
[03:54] <nictuku> jdub, sorry I lost my scroll history. Is your mail jeff.waugh AT canonical.com ?
[03:54] <dalderman> nictuku, yeah
[03:54] <nictuku> thank you, dalderman.
[03:54] <dalderman> nictuku, np
[03:55] <jeremy1701> The link is created, I'll try to run the script again
[03:55] <jeremy1701> brb
[03:55] <dalderman> jeremy1701, you may have to do one or two other things first, but we'll see
[03:56] <jeremy1701> same error
[03:56] <jeremy1701> hmmmm
[03:56] <dalderman> jeremy1701, what was the error?
[03:56] <jeremy1701> Makefile:169: *** Cannot find a kernel config file.  Stop.
[03:57] <jeremy1701> What's a kernel config file?
[03:57] <dalderman> it's the file called .config that gets saved in the kernel source dir once you have configured it
[03:57] <dalderman> ok
[03:57] <dalderman> cd /usr/src/linux
[03:57] <dalderman> make menuconfig
[03:57] <utta> jeremy1701, you need a .config file in your kernel sources. Easiest is to fetch the config file from the /boot/grub dir, and copy to your linux-sources as .config
[03:57] <dalderman> jeremy1701, utta is right, that is easiest
[03:58] <jeremy1701> brb
[03:58] <dalderman> oo oo kernel is built :-)
[03:58] <dalderman> only took about 45 mins....
[03:58] <dalderman> hahaha
[03:59] <toyowheelin> ok im back
[03:59] <jeremy1701> umm I don't seem to have a config file in /boot/grub
[03:59] <chutwig> no menu.lst?
[03:59] <dalderman> /boot/config-2.6.8.1-2...
[03:59] <chutwig> oh
[03:59] <chutwig> my bad
[04:00] <jeremy1701> okay, brb
[04:00] <Se7h> remind me
[04:00] <Se7h> where is the mount list file ?
[04:00] <chutwig> in /etc/fstab
[04:01] <dalderman> Se7h, which one?
[04:01] <dalderman> Se7h, current mounts, or what can be mounted by name?
[04:01] <Se7h> by name
[04:01] <dalderman> /etc/mtab for current, you want /etc/fstab
[04:01] <Se7h> fstab.list
[04:02] <Se7h> right?
[04:02] <dalderman> Se7h, no, just /etc/fstab
[04:02] <jeremy1701> Okay, I copied it as .config to my /usr/src/linux-source-2.6xxx/ and I get the same error
[04:02] <Se7h> then..
[04:02] <Se7h> i know its a .list file
[04:02] <dalderman> jeremy1701, time to read the Makefile and look for where it's looking for the kernel config
[04:02] <theantix> anyone else notice a problem with the trash applet not reporting any items in it?
[04:02] <jeremy1701> Bummer
[04:02] <jeremy1701> brb
[04:03] <dalderman> jeremy1701, as it sounds like it's not looking in the usual place, so you have to supply a parameter with it in?
[04:03] <whiprush> theantix: when you hover over it you mean?
[04:03] <dalderman> theantix, works for me
[04:03] <whiprush> also works for me
[04:03] <theantix> whiprush, no that works -- when you open it up
[04:03] <dalderman> theantix, works too
[04:03] <whiprush> me too
[04:03] <theantix> hovering shows the items, nautilus to ~/.Trash/ works also, but clicking on the trash applet shows nothing inside
[04:04] <jeremy1701> It's an install script, there's no paramters
[04:04] <whiprush> except the tooltip says "34 items", and the window in nautilus says "
[04:04] <whiprush> 35 items"
[04:04] <dalderman> jeremy1701, without the script I can't say, sorry
[04:05] <theantix> I hate submitting bug reports when others can't reproduce them... but this is very odd
[04:05] <treyh0> what does the automounting in ubuntu?
[04:06] <nictuku> wwee only 29 hours left!
[04:06] <dalderman> treyh0, magic pixies ;-)
[04:06] <treyh0> cmon
[04:06] <treyh0> hald?
[04:06] <dalderman> treyh0, sorry, not sure
[04:07] <WW> theantix: I might be seeing the same thing.
[04:07] <dalderman> treyh0, I am a RH9 convert so it's new to me too
[04:08] <theantix> ww, nice to know I'm not going crazy... I'll file another bug report
[04:08] <toyowheelin> ok so tell me...what would I have to add to the grub config file to have the option to start up windows XP with NTFS file system...I uncomented the example that is in the config but it says unknown filesystem
[04:08] <WW> theantix: The icon shows not empty (looks like a blue package of french fries), hovering says 1 item, but click bring up an empty window.
[04:09] <toyowheelin> BTW XP is on the first partition of the hard drive
[04:09] <theantix> ww, yup... exactly what i'm getting on two different machines
[04:09] <WW> brings*
[04:16] <jeremy1701> dalderman, I found the offending code, but it doesn't make sense to me
[04:16] <jeremy1701>  if [ -e Makefile.linux ] ; then
[04:16] <jeremy1701>                 MAKEFILE=Makefile.linux
[04:16] <jeremy1701>         else
[04:16] <jeremy1701>                 MAKEFILE=Makefile
[04:16] <jeremy1701>         fi
[04:16] <jeremy1701>         # Makefile.linux doesn't have a rule to build .ko-files for 2.6 kernels.        # They are somehow created automagically after $DRV_MODULE.o is built.
[04:16] <jeremy1701>         make -f $MAKEFILE $DRV_MODULE.o >& ../$LOGFILE_TMP
[04:16] <jeremy1701> Right here is were I get the error
[04:16] <jeremy1701> So it's either the Makefile or the $DRV_MODULE
[04:16] <dalderman> does the files Makefile.linux exist>
[04:16] <dalderman> ?
[04:17] <dalderman> urgh, my tryping is going... it's late
[04:17] <jeremy1701> Not in the current directoy, no
[04:17] <jeremy1701> I wonder where it's supposed to come from
[04:17] <dalderman> it's the line make -f $MAKEFILE $DRV_MODULE.o >& ../$LOGFILE_TMP that s breaking
[04:17] <dalderman> it's a recursive call of make
[04:18] <WW> I'm trying to add a launcher to the task bar for a program (Matlab).
[04:18] <dalderman> you need to find the rule in the Makefile that creates the .o target
[04:18] <dalderman> jeremy1701, look for a line that starts with somename.o:
[04:19] <superjeff> what's so cool about ubuntu?
[04:19] <toyowheelin> ok grub gives me Filesystem type unknown, partition typw0x7
[04:19] <WW> I put matlab in the command, but when I click on the icon, I only get the splash screen, and but I never see the app.
[04:19] <nictuku> in the governance page you could clarify that SABDFL is "Self-Appointed Benevolent Dictator For Life"...
[04:19] <toyowheelin> *type
[04:19] <pantz_> i have a real mozilla-firefox png that is the real logo - how would i go about finding out if the developers are interested in it?
[04:19] <theantix> toyowheelin, can you adjust your hard drive to LBA in the bios?
[04:19] <pantz_> it looks much better than the generic icon
[04:19] <WW> If I run from the command line with `matlab &` I get the splash screen, and the the matlab window.
[04:19] <toyowheelin> what will that do theantix
[04:20] <theantix> toyowheelin, well that resolved the problem for me yesterday
[04:20] <theantix> I read it on some SuSE forum and it solved it for Ubuntu as well
[04:20] <toyowheelin> humm idk I could read my mobo book and see
[04:21] <theantix> toyowheelin, another solution they posted (which I didn't try) was to resize the partition
[04:21] <toyowheelin> yeah well I wont be tring that ether
[04:23] <Se7h> is there a way  to see where is a device busy ?
[04:23] <Se7h> like
[04:23] <Se7h> umount: /media/ngage: device is busy
[04:23] <chutwig> lsof
[04:23] <Se7h> how do I see with what is it busy ?
[04:24] <chutwig> lsof = list open files
[04:24] <tvon|X31> lsof /media/ngage
[04:24] <toyowheelin> well...it dosent look like it has an option for LBA
[04:24] <WW> So... why would a program that runs fine from the command line not be able to open its window when launched from an icon?
[04:24] <Se7h> nothing returned
[04:25] <theantix> toyowheelin, not in the hard drive type, which should be set to "auto" by default?
[04:25] <bob2> WW: what command line is the icon running?
[04:25] <WW> bob2: matlab
[04:26] <bob2> WW: look in ~/.xsession-errors to see if it's complaining
[04:26] <toyowheelin> theantix, well I doubt its an issue with the bios sice windows was working fine till I started using the grub bootloader
[04:26] <WW> bob2: It runs, and a get a graphical "splash", which goes away, but the main window never appears.
[04:26] <Se7h> tvon|X31 nothing returned
[04:26] <WW> OK, I check it out.
[04:26] <toyowheelin> *since
[04:26] <bob2> WW: does it require some environment variables to be set or something?
[04:26] <toyowheelin> it was using lilo before
[04:27] <toyowheelin> lilo+mandrake
[04:27] <bob2> pantz_: you want to know if ubuntu would be interested?  you could ask on ubuntu-users.
[04:27] <toyowheelin> and that worked fine with the windows bootloader
[04:28] <WW> bob2: Aha: It appears to send its output there, and one of the messages that it prints is "Internal error: Could not determine the path of the MATLAB root directory"
[04:28] <bob2> WW: ah-hah
[04:31] <axe9> how do I burn CDs with linux?
[04:31] <axe9> shit!
[04:33] <theantix> toyowheelin, I know, it was working for me fine before also -- I'm just telling you that I had the same problem, and that is how I resolved it -- up to you if you want to try it
[04:33] <brian> so I heard about Ubutu on a forum, seems to do everything that I want Debian to do and a shiny new R51 Thinkpad showed up at my door today, so I give it a whirl, but I can't connecto to the internet or even ping a networked computer with the onboard NIC, an e1000, which shoudl be supported, anyone have any ideas, I know someone else around here was running Ubuntu on a laptop
[04:33] <toyowheelin> eh
[04:34] <utta> brianpuc, from the root terminal window, try modprobe e1000
[04:35] <toyowheelin> brb
[04:37] <brianpuc> utta, ok, tried that, went back into networks, tried manually assingng the IP, and FTPing to a networked machine, doesn't work, tried to ping it, times out
[04:38] <brianpuc> FWIW, the NIC does show up in the device manager
[04:39] <utta> brianpuc, have a look in /var/log/syslog and see what you got when the module loaded
[04:40] <axe9> Yeah, I need a CD burning program for linux
[04:40] <axe9> ideas?
[04:40] <jmhodges> uh.. should vim-gnome be purged from the repo's now that the vim package includes gvim?
[04:40] <theantix> axe9, to burn what?
[04:41] <utta> axe9, use nautilus, comes by default in ubuntu
[04:41] <axe9> CD-R/RWs
[04:42] <theantix> axe9, are you trying to burn audio or data cds?  if data, utta is right, use nautilus (drag-n-drop or right-click on an .iso)
[04:43] <brianpuc> utta:  kernel: e1000: Ignoring new-style parameters in presence of obselete ones
[04:43] <brianpuc> utta:  kernel: Intel Netowkr Driver version 5.2.52-k4
[04:43] <brianpuc> utta:  kernel: Copyright 1999-2004 Interl Corp
[04:44] <utta> brianpuc, hmmm never seen that message before - Ignoring etc...
[04:44] <axe9> Data
[04:44] <axe9> I'll need audio too
[04:44] <utta> brianpuc, do an ifconfig and see what you get
[04:44] <brianpuc> utta, me either, this is a new laptop, so i think the NIC just might be bad (I tried numerous cables known to work on ports on ym switch known to work)
[04:45] <brianpuc> eth0 and lo are up accroding to ifconfig
[04:45] <utta> brianpuc, do you get a MAC address attributed to the nic?
[04:46] <brianpuc> utta, not according to ifconfig, however I can get the MAC address by going into the BIOS
[04:46] <brianpuc> utta, nevermind, I forgot HWaddr in ifconfig IS the MAC address
[04:48] <utta> brianpuc, you have driver badness http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+kernel:+e1000:+Ignoring+new-style+parameters+in+presence+of+obsolete+ones&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=2FnQS-1wt-13%40gated-at.bofh.it&rnum=1
[04:48] <brianpuc> utta, FWIW, during the install proccess it could not connect to the internet either, nor to sync to pool.ntp.org
[04:49] <brianpuc> utta, ah, ok, thank you!
[04:50] <toyowheelin> sweet... the LBA tip worked
[04:50] <toyowheelin> im in winxp now :)
[04:51] <subterrific> brianpuc: you should open a bug for that in ubuntu's bugzilla
[04:51] <subterrific> reference that url for the patch in the bug report
[04:52] <theantix> toyowheelin, glad it helped... I agree, it's a very odd solution
[04:52] <toyowheelin> indeed
[04:53] <Tjoklat> anyone in here running dual boot?
[04:53] <toyowheelin> me
[04:53] <toyowheelin> lol;
[04:53] <toyowheelin> now
[04:53] <toyowheelin> :)
[04:53] <Tjoklat> in nautilus.. my win drives show up, but when I click on them it gives me an error saying device is busy..
[04:53] <Tjoklat> you got that too?
[04:54] <brianpuc> subterrific, sure, first though, I want to try a daily image, I remember reading a poast about someone using a thinkpad and it working out of the box
[04:54] <toyowheelin> umm hold on let me reboot to ubuntu
[04:54] <toyowheelin> brb
[04:54] <subterrific> brianpuc: good idea, though not all thinkpads have the same nic
[04:54] <subterrific> and the person could have been using wireless
[04:55] <wm_eddie> Almost everyone in my linux users group uses thinkpads :)
[04:55] <brianpuc> subterrific, true, I'll poke around some more, thank you both for your help, this has got to be the most helpful linux experience I've ever had
[04:56] <whiteknight> hey, is it possible to get dri working with a Radeon 7500 in ubuntu, since it uses the older Xfree86?
[04:56] <toyowheelin> ok back
[04:56] <Tjoklat> wb toyo
[04:57] <toyowheelin> ok it dosent see my windows partition in nautalis
[04:57] <Tjoklat> click computer
[04:57] <Tjoklat> click disks
[04:57] <toyowheelin> k
[04:58] <Tjoklat> with me it shows up there 
[04:58] <toyowheelin> cd-rom1 filesystem and network
[04:58] <toyowheelin> thats it
[04:58] <Tjoklat> mount: /dev/hda2 already mounted or /windows/D busy
[04:58] <Tjoklat> mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda2 is already mounted on /windows/D
[04:58] <Tjoklat> that's the error I get
[04:58] <toyowheelin> well I suppose I would need to mount it first
[04:58] <Tjoklat> can't figure out what is wrong
[04:59] <toyowheelin> not quite sure how to go about mounting my windows c drive
[04:59] <toyowheelin> Tjoklat, how did you do it
[04:59] <crevetteMiam> hum I had the same troube today with Nautilus
[05:00] <Tjoklat> do what toyo?
[05:00] <Tjoklat> I put my win drives in fstab
[05:00] <toyowheelin> get your windows c drive mounted
[05:00] <toyowheelin> oh
[05:00] <Tjoklat> but I think the prob is that it is showing as a cdrom instead of an hd
[05:01] <Tjoklat> did you get it fixed crevette?
[05:01] <toyowheelin> mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows_c should work right?
[05:02] <crevetteMiam> Tjoklat: I didn't solved it
[05:02] <Tjoklat> wonder if it is a bug or not
[05:02] <crevette> I will try tomorrow 
[05:02] <bolivar> ooooohhhh the plugin installer in firefox 1.0 gives me warm fuzzies ; )
[05:02] <Tjoklat> it seems like it is trying to mount the drive, but it is already mounted
[05:03] <toyowheelin> it dont like me seeing the contents of the windows folder
[05:03] <toyowheelin> says I dont have permissin
[05:03] <toyowheelin> *permission
[05:05] <Tjoklat> well I use those drives.. need to copy and such
[05:05] <Se7h> erg
[05:05] <toyowheelin> Tjoklat, what dose your fstab entry look like for your windows mount
[05:05] <Se7h> how can i see hlp files ?
[05:08] <toyowheelin> like as for options, dump and pass
[05:08] <Tjoklat> /dev/hda1       /windows/C      ntfs    ro,users,gid=users,umask=0002,iocharset=iso8859-1 0 0
[05:11] <toyowheelin> is there a way to force a reload of fstab other than reboot
[05:12] <theantix> yes, you can umount and mount a partition as root (sudo umount /dev/hda1 ; sudo mount /dev/hda1)
[05:13] <toyowheelin> theantix, I tried that but when I do that it says that my normal user account dosent have the permission to access it
[05:13] <theantix> to run sudo?
[05:13] <toyowheelin> no to access the mounted drive
[05:13] <theantix> that
[05:14] <theantix> that's why you run it via sudo
[05:16] <toyowheelin> You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "windows_c".
[05:18] <toyowheelin> and it says sudo: cd: command not found when I do sudo cd /media/windows_c
[05:22] <theantix> yeah, sudo cd doesn't work that well, because you lose your root privs when the command is over
[05:22] <theantix> to gain root, use "sudo su", then cd where you want
[05:22] <phlaegel> anybody tried installing cupsys-driver-gimpprint? it's broken for me...
[05:24] <toyowheelin> ok cool thank you theantix
[05:24] <pantz_> bob2, sorry bob - just got back - do you mean an irc channel ubuntu-users?
[05:25] <toyowheelin> cool I can see my windoze partition
[05:29] <Tjoklat> I think I am going to add noauto in fstab
[05:29] <Tjoklat> and see what it does then
[05:29] <toyowheelin> im gonna compile me some etherape
[05:29] <toyowheelin> :)
[05:30] <toyowheelin> unless it is availible with the distro
[05:31] <Tjoklat> what is that toyo?
[05:31] <toyowheelin> etherape
[05:31] <toyowheelin> its pronounced ether-ape
[05:31] <Tjoklat> and what does it do?
[05:32] <toyowheelin> graphically displays network activity
[05:32] <Tjoklat> oh never heard about it
[05:33] <toyowheelin> google it real quick you might like it
[05:33] <Tjoklat> I will, thanks :)
[05:33] <toyowheelin> http://etherape.sourceforge.net/images/v0.6.9.png
[05:33] <toyowheelin> thats a screen shot
[05:34] <Tjoklat> checking it out right nonw
[05:34] <Tjoklat> now
[05:34] <toyowheelin> im actually really supprised that its not included with the os
[05:35] <Tjoklat> it may in the official release
[05:35] <toyowheelin> this is beta?
[05:35] <Tjoklat> yeah
[05:35] <toyowheelin> oh heh
[05:35] <Tjoklat> the offical is Hoary
[05:36] <toyowheelin> works damn good for a beta
[05:36] <Tjoklat> hear hear
[05:36] <phlaegel> no, the official is warty in month. hoary is six months after that.
[05:36] <Tjoklat> blew me away
[05:36] <subterrific> toyowheelin: that doesn't seem like an app you'd put on a desktop system
[05:36] <toyowheelin> it is
[05:36] <toyowheelin> trust me
[05:36] <toyowheelin> lol
[05:36] <Tjoklat> I stand corrected sorry toyo
[05:36] <toyowheelin> its fun
[05:36] <toyowheelin> eh its ok
[05:36] <subterrific> no really, it isn't
[05:36] <Tjoklat> but it's not the official release
[05:37] <Tjoklat> the one we are on
[05:37] <toyowheelin> subterrific, ok well you dont install etherape but im going to 
[05:37] <toyowheelin> lol
[05:37] <subterrific> and you can
[05:37] <subterrific> but it isn't something that should be included by default
[05:37] <toyowheelin> subterrific, it should be availible
[05:37] <phlaegel> it's in universe
[05:38] <subterrific> it is
[05:38] <toyowheelin> oh'
[05:38] <phlaegel> no way is it a typical desktop app
[05:38] <toyowheelin> oh well im gonna compile its been a while sice I did some serious compiling 
[05:38] <Tjoklat> I am still reluctant of adding universe
[05:38] <Tjoklat> is it 'save'
[05:38] <Tjoklat> I want gtktalog so bad
[05:39] <crimsun> it's safe, yes.
[05:39] <theantix> yes, it works fine for me ... just not "supported" so don't complain if it's broken expecting a quick fix =)
[05:39] <Tjoklat> I am just so happy with my box after a faulty deb box for a year.. don't want to mess it up
[05:42] <crimsun> i'm very pleased with the three ubuntu boxes running here
[05:42] <Tjoklat> got two up and doing the third now (laptop)
[05:42] <theantix> crimsun, me too with three boxes also =)
[05:42] <Tjoklat> got my whole family to switch already :)
[05:42] <Tjoklat> have installed Ubuntu on eight in total now
[05:44] <toyowheelin> res_mkquery anyone know where to find this
[05:45] <subterrific> libresolve
[05:45] <subterrific> no e
[05:45] <subterrific> libresolv
[05:46] <toyowheelin> synaptic package manager cant find it
[05:46] <Tjoklat> apt-file search toyo
[05:46] <Tjoklat> sudo apt-get install apt-file
[05:46] <Tjoklat> sudo apt-file update
[05:46] <Tjoklat> and then search
[05:46] <toyowheelin> greg@amd64linux ~/etherape-0.9.1 $ sudo apt-get install apt-file
[05:46] <toyowheelin> Reading Package Lists... Done
[05:46] <toyowheelin> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[05:46] <toyowheelin> E: Couldn't find package apt-file
[05:47] <toyowheelin> oh wups
[05:47] <toyowheelin> no install
[05:47] <toyowheelin> :)\
[05:47] <toyowheelin> no wait
[05:47] <toyowheelin> I was right
[05:47] <Tjoklat> is it in universe?
[05:47] <toyowheelin> i dont know
[05:48] <Tjoklat> I do an apt-file search on my sid box for now, haven't done it on Ubuntu
[05:48] <toyowheelin> where is univers
[05:48] <Tjoklat> what file are you looking for? I'll look for you
[05:48] <toyowheelin> libresolv
[05:48] <Tjoklat> synaptic preferences repositories
[05:48] <toyowheelin> oh ok
[05:48] <Tjoklat> I'll check hold
[05:49] <punkass> the only thing i dont like about ubuntu is there is nothin to do after you install it :)
[05:49] <Tjoklat> libc6 toyo
[05:49] <Tjoklat> libc6-dev
[05:49] <toyowheelin> ok
[05:49] <punkass> everything just seems to work..
[05:49] <toyowheelin> already installed Tjoklatbut yet the configure script fails
[05:50] <Tjoklat> dpkg-reconfigure nameofpackage
[05:51] <punkass> configure: error: Library requirements (pygtk-2.0) not met;
[05:51] <punkass> anyone know what package i need for that?
[05:51] <Tjoklat> apt-file search LOL
[05:52] <toyowheelin> :)
[05:52] <toyowheelin> people startin the compilin
[05:52] <toyowheelin> heh
[05:52] <punkass> well ihave python-gtk2 and python-gtk2-dev
[05:56] <toyowheelin> well it still fails with the libresolv installed humm
[05:56] <toyowheelin> odd
[06:04] <toyowheelin> damn I guess there is updates daily...
[06:05] <toyowheelin> just hit mark all upgrade after doing a refresh
[06:05] <toyowheelin> and hit apply
[06:05] <toyowheelin> like 30Meg worth of updates
[06:05] <theantix> yeah, a lot in the past few days
[06:05] <Tjoklat> ah but at least you don't have to update libmagick ten times a day :)
[06:06] <Tjoklat> <-- traumatized
[06:06] <Parisi|away> Hello
[06:06] <Parisi|away> Im back.
[06:06] <Tjoklat> and still away?
[06:06] <toyowheelin> libmagick/
[06:06] <toyowheelin> ?
[06:06] <Tjoklat> sidd thing toyo
[06:06] <Tjoklat> the guy that maintains libmagick can't get it right
[06:06] <Tjoklat> not even after two years
[06:07] <toyowheelin> lol
[06:07] <Tjoklat> he manages to put an 'update' out every four hours or so and still not working
[06:07] <Parisi> hmm..
[06:07] <toyowheelin> probabally not updates maybe just a cvs archive that takes a snapshot every 4 hours
[06:08] <Tjoklat> I don't know, he is pretty dense.. I sent him a patch for libmagick
[06:08] <Tjoklat> but he choices to ignore it
[06:08] <Tjoklat> and keep putting 'updates' out
[06:08] <toyowheelin> what dose libmagick do
[06:09] <punkass> configure: error: Library requirements (pygtk-2.0) not met;
[06:09] <punkass> i have python-gtk2 and python-gtk2-dev installed
[06:09] <toyowheelin> punkass, configure: error: No resolver library found
[06:10] <toyowheelin> lol I cant figure out what im missing
[06:10] <punkass> what are u trying to compile?
[06:10] <toyowheelin> etherape
[06:10] <punkass> why not use apt?
[06:11] <toyowheelin> dont think it has it
[06:11] <punkass> EtherApe is an etherman clone. It displays network activity
[06:11] <punkass> graphically.
[06:11] <punkass> yeah its there
[06:11] <toyowheelin> humm
[06:11] <punkass> do u have universe on as a repository?
[06:11] <toyowheelin> no
[06:11] <punkass> that might be why
[06:12] <punkass> i just searched for ether in synaptic and it came up
[06:12] <toyowheelin> punkass, whats the URI for universe
[06:12] <punkass> i have 4th and 2nd from the bottom checked...(for repostitories
[06:12] <punkass> its already there
[06:13] <toyowheelin> oh ok
[06:14] <toyowheelin> ok I have to turn off the main one and turn on universe?
[06:14] <phlaegel> no
[06:15] <toyowheelin> ok there installed it
[06:15] <toyowheelin> yay
[06:15] <Parisi> brb
[06:15] <punkass> good stuff
[06:15] <punkass> yeah u can just select the one with universe
[06:15] <punkass> cuz it has main and restricted in it too
[06:16] <punkass> oh and keep the security one
[06:16] <toyowheelin> oh ok
[06:16] <toyowheelin> is univers gonna break stuff if I use it
[06:16] <Parisi> hmmm
[06:16] <punkass> well its...ubuntu pakages that arent fully supported
[06:16] <Parisi> Better
[06:17] <Agrajag> hey guys, question. Is there an apt source I can add that would have a versionof libdvdread with decryption support?
[06:17] <punkass> so the chance is higher that i could break something
[06:17] <toyowheelin> ok
[06:17] <toyowheelin> humm
[06:17] <punkass> Agrajag: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main 
[06:17] <punkass> should do it
[06:17] <toyowheelin> well maybe I should just use it for "non-important" stuff
[06:17] <Agrajag> thanks, I'll try it
[06:17] <punkass> might wanna double check tho
[06:19] <Agrajag> seems to be a valid source at least
[06:19] <toyowheelin> can I make the cdrom not a source
[06:19] <punkass> yup
[06:20] <toyowheelin> well cool... because im tired of the cd 
[06:20] <toyowheelin> I like the net :)
[06:21] <punkass> yes...and its always more upto date
[06:21] <toyowheelin> and faster
[06:21] <toyowheelin> lol
[06:21] <punkass> yeah the cd is a pain
[06:22] <toyowheelin> ubuntu has some FAST servers'
[06:22] <punkass> yeah..its really nice
[06:22] <toyowheelin> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main nmap 3.50-1 [444kB] 
[06:22] <toyowheelin> 444KB/s
[06:22] <punkass> nothin worse than trying to do updates or installs from a small server
[06:22] <toyowheelin> hell yeah
[06:23] <punkass> lol
[06:23] <toyowheelin> LOVE cable
[06:27] <toyowheelin> amd64linux:/home/greg# mount -t smbfs -o username=greg //main-pc/Shared\ Documents /mnt/mp3/
[06:27] <toyowheelin> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //main-pc/Shared Documents,
[06:27] <toyowheelin>        or too many mounted file systems
[06:27] <toyowheelin> whats with that
[06:28] <yojimbo-san> Help! my panels have all vanished! I've rebooted, upgraded, tried again, but I don't have any panels at all :-( anyone know how to start them up again?
[06:29] <theantix> yojimbo-san, what happens when you run gnome-panel from the terminal
[06:30] <yojimbo-san> errm ... they come back? :-)
[06:30] <igster> man, put that in an faq
[06:30] <igster> :)
[06:30] <toyowheelin> nevermind I got it worked out
[06:30] <yojimbo-san> Thanks theantix
[06:30] <igster> toyowheeling as in toyota?
[06:31] <theantix> no problem yojimbo-san
[06:31] <toyowheelin> yeah igster
[06:31] <yojimbo-san> exellent - when I quit gnome-panel from the cmsline, sessions correctly restarts them. I wonder why they died? never mind :-)
[06:31] <Parisi> Is there any way to fix the driver Totem uses to play videos? Its totally screwed on my laptop.
[06:31] <Parisi> Perhaps using a different driver it will fix it?
[06:32] <toyowheelin> igster, put what in a FAQ?
[06:32] <yojimbo-san> Parisi: are you using totem-gstreamer or totem-xine?
[06:32] <Parisi> yojimbo-san, 1 sec..
[06:32] <yojimbo-san> totem-xine worked much better for my machine ... but it's not the default.
[06:32] <Parisi> It flashes pink lines on the screen and wierd lines with the movie, bunch of wierd artifacts..
[06:32] <Parisi> i see..
[06:34] <Parisi> How do i know which one im using?
[06:34] <yojimbo-san> dpkg -l totem*
[06:35] <Parisi> ii  totem          0.99.15.1-1    A simple media player for the Gnome desktop
[06:35] <Parisi> rc  totem-gstreame 0.99.15.1-1    A simple media player for the Gnome desktop
[06:35] <Parisi> ii  totem-xine     0.99.15.1-1  
[06:35] <Parisi> o_O
[06:35] <Parisi> I must have 3 different ones.
[06:35] <Agrajag> hmmm
[06:35] <Agrajag> anyone know what package I need for libdvdnav to play encypted DVDs?
[06:35] <punkass> if u install totem-xine it removes totem-gstreamer
[06:35] <yojimbo-san> OK, you only have the xine one - gstreamer is "rc" which means it's been removed
[06:36] <punkass> Agrajag that didnt work?
[06:36] <Parisi> I see.
[06:36] <Agrajag> punkass: I don't think so, maybe I'm not doing something right
[06:36] <yojimbo-san> Do you have an nvidia card on your machine?
[06:36] <Agrajag> it said libdvdread3 was already at the latest version
[06:36] <punkass> you need libdvdcss2
[06:37] <Agrajag> I don't know what package has encryption support
[06:37] <Agrajag> oh ok
[06:37] <punkass> thats what i use to watch dvds
[06:38] <Agrajag> that did it
[06:38] <Agrajag> thanks
[06:38] <punkass> np
[06:39] <Parisi> Funny it only shows the wierd artifacts when on window mode, full screen is fine.
[06:39] <punkass> how do i add a custom applet to a panel?
[06:39] <Parisi> Let me see if mplayer it 
[06:39] <Parisi> mplayer does it*
[06:40] <yojimbo-san> Parisi: are you using an nVidia card?
[06:40] <Parisi> No, Intel 815 i believe.
[06:40] <Parisi> Its a Sony VAIO laptop.
[06:40] <yojimbo-san> OK, then I'm afraid that I don't have anything useful to suggest :-(
[06:41] <Parisi> Ok, mplayer plays wonderful.
[06:41] <Parisi> Its  Totem issue.
[06:41] <Parisi> Its a*
[06:41] <Parisi> And i cant see to find any video settings for it, lame.
[06:52] <dieman> daniels: now all you need to do is port the x.org i915 driver to the current x server ;)
[06:53] <daniels> dieman: ha ha ha 
[06:53] <daniels> oh man
[06:53] <daniels> don't even joke about that.
[06:53] <dieman> its only like 20-30 defines
[06:53] <dieman> in the code
[06:53] <dieman> i checked it outlast week
[06:53] <dieman> :)
[06:53] <dieman> i might do it myself if im forced into it
[06:53] <dieman> but 2d only
[06:53] <daniels> hey man, if you drop me a patch against 4.3, i'll think about integrating it
[06:53] <dieman> but i got lucky
[06:54] <dieman> and the boxes we got had ati pcie cards that the fglrx driver could be forced into working with
[06:54] <dieman> and the other boxes will have nvidia
[06:54] <daniels> i just got badly burnt off trying to do r4xx support (the new upsteam code is broken wrt detecting powerpc vbios)
[06:54] <dieman> im going to try and not get any of the i915 integrated video stuff until its supported.
[06:54] <daniels> heh
[06:54] <dieman> so ive got a i915 based machine at work like, working
[06:54] <dieman> im pretty impressed
[06:55] <dieman> complete with ati x300 pcie video
[06:56] <punkass> is there a how-to out there for makeing applets for 2.8?
[06:59] <wm_eddie> I hear they are going to remake the applet api for 2.10.
[06:59] <punkass> oh.
[07:00] <wm_eddie> From the looks of what they have so far, they are thinking about making applets and notification area icons very similar, in fact probably making all applets notification area programs.
[07:01] <punkass> well i guess they are almost one in the same
[07:02] <wm_eddie> http://www.livejournal.com/users/davyd/118545.html
[07:02] <joem> they aren't making applets notification area progs
[07:03] <joem> people were upset that there were to many notification area programs that should have been applets
[07:03] <joem> so there is a notification area spec now
[07:04] <joem> I don't know if the whole panel being a notify area would work very well
[07:06] <wm_eddie> You are probably right.
[07:06] <punkass> well i dont know much about all this stuff...but i want to start to hack together a wifi applet
[07:06] <wm_eddie> isn't there a wifi applet?
[07:06] <punkass> sort off
[07:06] <punkass> of*
[07:06] <punkass> but not what i want
[07:07] <punkass> ive found howtos for 2.4 just not 2.6/2.8
[07:07] <wm_eddie> ahh, whell grab the source code of the wifi applet and extend it.
[07:07] <joem> there are a few wifi applets
[07:07] <joem> netapplet is the new one from novel
[07:07] <punkass> yeah i was just starting to look at it?
[07:07] <punkass> oh yeah?
[07:07] <joem> that one is actually a notification app
[07:07] <joem> http://metawire.org/~joem/images/netapplet.png
[07:08] <joem> I know some guys at redhat are working on network manager
[07:08] <punkass> hmm yeah that looks more like what i want to do
[07:08] <joem> sort of like an applet version of that
[07:09] <wm_eddie> interesting I have to download that next time I'm at my laptop
[07:09] <wm_eddie> but now I really need to sleep...
[07:09] <punkass> i want an applet that will scan wifi and notify when one is found, then be able to click it and enter WEP etc and connect 
[07:09] <wm_eddie> that would be awesome!
[07:10] <wm_eddie> I swich a lot from Pitt's wifi to panera's wifi.
[07:10] <wm_eddie> I made a script to switch between the two...
[07:11] <wm_eddie> all it does is change the essid and removes the wep key.
[07:12] <theantix> I got netapplet working on ubuntu, but it still relies on the g-s-t network tool that doesn't have the ability to set the essid and key
[07:12] <wm_eddie> :(
[07:13] <wm_eddie> I'll hack it to use my scripts!
[07:13] <theantix> if you want to see it, grab the source and the patch from the debian package, and compile it... I'm afraid it's not all that useful though :-/
[07:13] <punkass> well that was my plan...but i havent a clue what i am doing so it should be interesting
[07:13] <wm_eddie> what language is it in? c#?
[07:14] <theantix> not sure, I didn't check
[07:14] <theantix> ./configure; make; make install ;-)
[07:14] <wm_eddie> well I'll have to find out.
[07:14] <wm_eddie> then probably not C#
[07:14] <wm_eddie> maybe C++ or C.
[07:15] <joem> c
[07:15] <joem> if you are talking about netapplet
[07:15] <wm_eddie> yay, I don't know C++ :)
[07:15] <joem> the code is really well laid out
[07:15] <joem> you could easily modify it to use your script
[07:15] <wm_eddie> yes
[07:16] <joem> we modified it to use gentoo init scripts
[07:16] <wm_eddie> must sleep...
[07:16] <punkass> well i am going to try mine in python...
[07:16] <wm_eddie> damn, why did the linux world have to get all interesting once school started :(
[07:16] <theantix> joem, how did you get it to set the different wireless networks?
[07:17] <joem> it requires wirelesstols-0.27 or something
[07:17] <joem> and ueses those
[07:17] <dieman> heh
[07:17] <dieman> i just use ifupdown-roam, still
[07:18] <dieman> joem: what laptop?
[07:18] <dieman> joem: (for the widescreen)
[07:18] <dieman> oh, no, its not widescreen
[07:18] <dieman> my eyes fooled me :)
[07:18] <joem> heh
[07:18] <joem> just an illusion
[07:19] <joem> cause I stretched the term a bit
[07:19] <dieman> yeah, i guess
[07:19] <dieman> i love my 1280x768 screen
[07:20] <theantix> joem, I mean the interface for entering wireless -- on gentoo does it use g-s-t or something else?
[07:20] <joem> what do you mean by entering wireless?
[07:20] <punkass> hmm can figure out how the wireless-C.omf finds the exectuables for the applet
[07:21] <punkass> can't*
[07:21] <joem> the way it was modified for gentoo was when you switch between connections, it uses their init scripts to bring the connections up and down
[07:21] <theantix> ah, so it's not as useful for switchign between different wireless networks?
[07:22] <joem> no it does, it uses the wireless tools package to switch
[07:22] <joem> but that isn't gentoo specific, that is how the app works
[07:29] <WW> Has anybody upgraded recently and had problems in Gnome?  I know someone said their panels disappeared... that has now happened to me.
[07:30] <WW> Running gnome-panel gives me an error.
[07:30] <joem> WW, what error?
[07:31] <WW> The error window says "I've detected a panel already running and will now exit."
[07:32] <WW> The output at the terminal says "Gtk-WARNING **:  Ignoring the separator setting"
[07:33] <WW> Also wierd: I had rhymbox running (iconified) when I upgraded. Some time after upgrading, I discovered that the icon that was supposed to be in the bar at the bottom of the screen was gone.
[07:33] <WW> weird*
[07:34] <WW> But rhymbox was still there, playing.
[07:34] <joem> WW, try removing gnome-panel from your session,killing it and then launch it
[07:35] <WW> I know the kill command, but what do you mean about removing it from my session?
[07:36] <Dr_Willis> window managers/desktops often keep a 'session' of programs to restart when started again
[07:36] <Dr_Willis> ie: your windows/editor/tools will all get autmatically reran
[07:36] <Dr_Willis> when you next log in
[07:36] <nickers> alrighty quick question....did install in qemu on my gentoo box....no startx command?
[07:37] <nickers> i log in but cant do startx....X pulls just server
[07:37] <nickers> telinit 5 no good either
[07:37] <WW> joem, Dr_Willis: But how do I remove gnome-panel from my "session"?
[07:37] <Dr_Willis> Gnome - has a session manager tool somewhere in its control panel I think
[07:37] <Dr_Willis> that lists all running programs. find it.. delete it from the session.
[07:38] <nickers> gnome-system-monitor
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> buy gnome panel is a core part of gnome :P why ya want to remove it?
[07:38] <nickers> do an alt-F2 and type gnome-system-monitor
[07:38] <nickers> poof
[07:38] <nickers> old windows three finger salute style
[07:38] <nickers> or pull up console.... ps aux | grep gnome-panel
[07:38] <nickers> kill PID
[07:38] <joem> removing it from the session just means it won't keep trying to respawn or autostart
[07:39] <joem> so killing it won't help unless you remove it from the current session for the time being
[07:39] <WW> Dr_Willis: My panels are gone after upgrading, and simply running gnome-panel gives an error. joem suggested removing gnome-panel from my session.
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> WW,  perhaps remove your .gnome dir/settings and let it remake all the configs from scratch also.
[07:39] <WW> joem: But I don't know what it means to remove it from my session... edit a file?  
[07:39] <joem> that seems a bit much
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> the sessionis a list of runnign programs.
[07:40] <joem> WW, your session is like your current working environment
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> that control-tool will remove it fromt ehre.
[07:40] <joem> go to the computer menu-desktop prefs-sessions
[07:41] <WW> joem: I have no menus, except right-click on the desk top.  The top and bottom panels are not there.
[07:41] <joem> heh oh yea
[07:41] <joem> gnome-session-properties
[07:41] <joem> run that
[07:42] <WW> joem: Should I just kill gnome-panel and run it again?
[07:42] <WW> OK
[07:42] <nickers> esh seems like i didnt get my gnome install....dumb debian
[07:42] <nickers> is there a bug where the default install might not install gnome?
[07:43] <WW> joem: According to gnome-session-properties, gnome-panel is not in my Current Session.
[07:44] <WW> joem: But ps aux shows that gnome-panel is running.
[07:44] <joem> hm
[07:44] <joem> try killall gnome-panel then
[07:45] <theantix> joem, you were totally right... netapplet works brilliantly -- it didn't seem to do anythign for me yesterday because I was only on a wired connection
[07:45] <bdale> it appears the warty preview installer for i386 isn't prepared to handle a usb keyboard?
[07:45] <punkass> theantix: tell me more?
[07:46] <joem> theantix, cool
[07:46] <WW> joem: OK, I killed it. Then ran gnome-panel, and the panels returned, but I forgot the & at the end. So I ctrl-C, and the panels flicked but came back.  Looks like I'm back in business. But that was weird.
[07:47] <WW> s/flicked/flickered/
[07:47] <theantix> punkass... you can input an essid and key via a nice gui
[07:47] <joem> WW, cool
[07:47] <joem> make sure to save your session now so panel starts up next time you login
[07:47] <punkass> does it scan for networks?
[07:48] <WW> joem: But I don't want everything that is currently running to start up automatically.
[07:49] <joem> well at one point, run only the things you want to start up at login and then gnome-session-save
[07:49] <WW> joem: OK, thanks much.  'night y'all.
[07:49] <theantix> punkass, doesn't seem to, but I'm not entirely sure
[07:50] <theantix> will check, brb
[07:51] <punkass> theantix: did u just get the deb package for it?
[07:52] <theantix> no, the deb package failed to resolve for me, I took the debian package source, patched it, then compiled it
[07:52] <punkass> ah
[07:52] <theantix> also, it seems to have rudimentary scanning, you can keep hitting "other" to find new networks
[07:53] <punkass> cool.
[07:53] <theantix> not brilliant though, unless I'm doing it wrong -- not up to the OSX/XP wireless switchers quite yet
[07:54] <vasi> big thank you to the ubuntu devs, especially the ppc folks...i've never seen a better install procedure
[07:54] <punkass> well i still may 'play' around trying to set something up
[07:54] <punkass> it will be a learning experience
[07:55] <theantix> learning is always good =)
[07:55] <punkass> indeed
[07:55] <punkass> sometimes hurts my brain tho
[07:56] <punkass> i sure am diggin' this new 2.8
[08:12] <gabeb> Couple little questions: is there any reason why mono, mono-develop, etc. are not in the 'main' repo yet?  Or why xpdf is used for pdf instead of gpdf?
[08:12] <gabeb> No big deal; just curious.
[08:13] <Tsjoklat> some issues with multi printing gabeb
[08:13] <theantix> I realize this doesn't answer your question, but I think both of your questions will be resolved in the next release
[08:13] <Tsjoklat> gpdf that is
[08:13] <gabeb> Thanks.
[08:13] <Tsjoklat> np
[08:34] <theantix> Geez... report a bug and within a few hours it's fixed.  Nice!
[08:35] <joebeastie> what bug?
[08:36] <theantix> with the trashapplet, #1681
[08:36] <daniels> huzzah!
[08:36] <Tsjokla1> what was wrong with it?
[08:37] <eazel7> hi
[08:37] <theantix> Tsjoklal, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1681
[08:37] <Tsjokla1> lemme check
[08:38] <eazel7> sorry guys, but I think there are bugs in the gnome-panel patchset
[08:39] <eazel7> how can I rebuild the gnome-panel?
[08:39] <Tsjokla1> ah if only the icon would look normal now
[08:39] <Tsjokla1> it is all mini
[08:39] <Tsjokla1> pushed in
[08:39] <Tsjokla1> only the gnome trashcan icon looks okay
[08:39] <Tsjokla1> the rest looks horrid
[08:40] <eazel7> the panel here freezes, and cannot logout
[08:40] <eazel7> and if I restart bv hitting ctrl+alt+backspace the gnome can't be started again because the gnome-panel & friends keeps misteriously running
[09:08] <vasi> is yelp supposed to be able to view man pages? it doesn't seem to be happening here
[09:11] <eazel7> yup
[09:11] <joem> yelp doesn't view man pages
[09:12] <eazel7> isn't it supposed to do it?
[09:12] <joem> no
[09:13] <joem> applications have html documentation generated from xml by what ever dockbook stuff gnome uses
[09:13] <joem> and style etc..
[09:14] <goatboy_> it's on the todo, but yelp doesn't support man pages for now.
[09:14] <joem> man pages don't really fit in with yelp
[09:18] <vasi> oooh this works though...
[09:19] <vasi> openman () {
[09:19] <vasi> yelp man:`man -w $1` &
[09:19] <vasi> }
[09:19] <vasi> that's at least somewhat useful....
[09:20] <crimsun> this is great
[09:21] <crimsun> i have ubuntu running in vmware workstation, and i'm using it to access my home client :)
[09:21] <vasi> heh
[09:21] <joem> vasi, nice
[09:21] <crimsun> sure beats using xp ;)
[09:21] <vasi> joem, yelp still displays some things kinda ugly though :-(
[09:22] <vasi> i just spent two days installing gentoo....took me < 30 mins to get up and running with ubuntu with nearly everything working (monitor wasn't properly detected)
[09:22] <vasi> i am SOOO impressed
[09:23] <joem> heh yea
[09:23] <joem> it is quicker then gentoo as well
[09:24] <vasi> ppc support in linux distributions is usually horrible...
[09:24] <vasi> hmmm...firefox seems buggy, the little find-bar on the bottom of the window won't work :-/
[09:25] <theantix> vasi, that's already in the bugzilla
[09:25] <vasi> theantix, good to hear....sorry for griping!
[09:26] <intero> vasi: i thought ppc was good with linux
[09:26] <theantix> vasi... no need to apologize, I was just letting you know =)
[09:29] <theantix> I'm kind of surprised that the OOo quickstarter applet isn't in main -- it makes OpenOffice *so much* more bearable
[09:29] <vasi> intero, it CAN be...but distros usually get it horribly wrong
[09:30] <vasi> typical experience is rebooting and finding out that X won't work, neither will sound or my wireless card...and so i'm left with a console
[09:32] <vasi> ubuntu has been perfect so far
[09:33] <joem> I have been singing the praises of ubuntu for the last few days
[09:33] <joem> really impresses me
[09:33] <vasi> woops, mol isn't installable!
[09:33] <vasi> lemme check bugzilla first :-)
[09:36] <vasi> argh, need to install -psm before moz will let me see bugzilla....yeesh
[09:36] <rvirani> I sent an email to the users list like a month ago and I still havent heard back as to whether it was approved
[09:36] <vasi> thank goodness for synaptic
[09:37] <rvirani> I installed ubuntu-ppc on my brand-new ibook 12.1" G4 and when I boot the screen just flickers
[09:37] <rvirani> I mean it boots properly and all but as soon as it goes to fire up X the screen just flickers
[09:37] <vasi> rvirani, have you tried 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86'?
[09:37] <rvirani> any ideas?
[09:38] <vasi> it will walk you through configuring your X, which may or may not help
[09:38] <rvirani> vasi, nope
[09:38] <rvirani> I dont think that is the problem I think its a driver issue
[09:38] <rvirani> needs a patch I just dont know which one
[09:40] <rvirani> any ideas?
[09:40] <convertor> just 4 the record ubuntu rocks - i have always hated installing debian but this is sweet as.....on i386 and ppc machines i have installed on....even in expert mode it works nicely...[esp 1st distro,,,]  anyway no more blowing wind up....
[09:50] <linux_mafia> any new zealand ubuntu users here?
[09:52] <daniels> no kiwis that I know of here at the moment, but a couple just over the creek
[09:53] <linux_mafia> heh
[09:53] <linux_mafia> think i must be the only one
[09:53] <daniels> nah, there are two or three that I know of
[09:53] <linux_mafia> sweet
[10:20] <linux_mafia> i saw on the users mailing list, mark shuttleworth mentions a "multiverse" source, whats in there? 
[10:24] <Qerub> linux_mafia: universe?
[10:24] <Qerub> linux_mafia: that should be "debian(main) - ubuntu(main)" then.
[10:24] <daniels> multiverse is stuff that would normally go to universe that isn't nevessarily fully free wrt licencing, siui
[10:24] <daniels> aiui
[10:24] <Qerub> linux_mafia: ignore me :-)
[10:24] <daniels> Qerub: hello
[10:24] <Qerub> daniels: greetings
[10:26] <linux_mafia> daniels, is it enabled yet?
[10:27] <daniels> linux_mafia: i'm not sure, sorry, but i don't think so
[10:27] <linux_mafia> daniels, you daniel stone?
[10:29] <Qerub> linux_mafia: good guess :-)
[10:29] <linux_mafia> haha
[10:30] <Qerub> linux_mafia: 10:30 -!-  ircname  : Daniel Stone
[10:31] <Qerub> daniels: about multiverse... is that stuff from contrib or non-free or stuff from main?
[10:31] <linux_mafia> daniels, im using your, or are they fabio's? updated x packages, no problems here, primo, thanks man
[10:32] <daniels> linux_mafia: fabio and I work together on X; what sort of card do you have?
[10:32] <daniels> Qerub: stuff from contrib/non-free, as i understand it
[10:32] <linux_mafia> daniels, onboard geforce mx440, on a soltek mobo
[10:34] <daniels> linux_mafia: the nVidia stuff is all Fabio's work -- thank him :)
[10:35] <daniels> fabbione: better than radeon_bios.c :\
[10:35] <linux_mafia> fabbione, are you real buff, with shoulder length hair, and a judge dredd jaw? heh
[10:36] <fabbione> linux_mafia: no.. :-)
[10:36] <fabbione> gimme a sec i will put a pic of me online
[10:36] <linux_mafia> fabbione, just being cheeky, ;)
[10:37] <linux_mafia> i wish someone would make an xmame package, maybe i could try myself, hmmm
[10:37] <Qerub> linux_mafia: there is a xmame package in debian...
[10:38] <linux_mafia> Qerub, i'm aware of that, just dont want to use more debian proper stuff than i have to ;)
[10:39] <Qerub> linux_mafia: ...and you can rebuild it for ubuntu.
[10:39] <calc> isn't universe debian proper stuff? ;)
[10:39] <linux_mafia> Qerub, guess thats the kind of package that wouldnt interfere to much with the infrastructure of an install anyway
[10:40] <linux_mafia> calc, some i think, but some packages in there have a ubuntu suffix
[10:40] <calc> aiui it was just rebuilt from debian packages
[10:41] <linux_mafia> whats aiui?
[10:41] <linux_mafia> as i understand it?
[10:41] <calc> yes
[10:41] <seb128> if packages have a ubuntu version that's because we made some changes/fixes
[10:41] <fabbione> http://people.no-name-yet.com/~fabbione/fabbione.jpg
[10:41] <fabbione> there
[10:41] <fabbione> that's how i look right now
[10:42] <linux_mafia> fabbione, dude thats unreal, you look just like me
[10:43] <fabbione> linux_mafia: no shit... you look like me
[10:43] <fabbione> ;)
[10:44] <calc> because you are just a figment of his imagination? ;)
[10:44] <pisuke> heh a great unix hacker must wear a beard
[10:45] <linux_mafia> pisuke, yes, its a pre-req of being a dirty gnu hippy, ala stallman and cox, haha
[10:45] <pisuke> :)
[10:52] <linux_mafia> fabbione, here is my pic, its not a goody, plus you have way more hair than me http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/maxb/
[10:53] <fabbione> ehhe
[10:57] <hypatia> I hope "Find Next" in firefox is fixed soon :(
[10:59] <edd> nod, firefox seems less stable at the moment
[10:59] <Treenaks> theantix: not _yet_... muahahahaha
[10:59] <theantix> heh
[11:00] <edd> although i think eventually gnome should prolly go with firefox, it has been getting a little crashy
[11:00] <linux_mafia> does anyone still use galeon?
[11:01] <grondo> how do I'm supposed to upgrade ubuntu?
[11:01] <grondo> apt-get?
[11:01] <grondo> synaptic?
[11:01] <Treenaks> grondo: your choice..
[11:01] <linux_mafia> grondo, either
[11:01] <grondo> I mean... there's no ubuntu specific tool to upgrade, right?
[11:02] <rburton> nope
[11:02] <linux_mafia> grondo, you mean like up2date in rh or something?
[11:02] <grondo> ok thanks
[11:03] <grondo> err... what's that 'universe' entry in sources.list?
[11:03] <grondo> debian sid?
[11:03] <hypatia> edd: it's always been more crashy for me than epiphany
[11:03] <hypatia> edd: but you're right, the current version is particularly so
[11:04] <hypatia> grondo: a debian sid build from some weeks back
[11:04] <cyates> Hi all, I have a *real* problem with my Compaq Presario R3000 with regard to X.  The screen is corrupted and as a result the consoles are all corrupted.  I have followed all the docs and tried the NVIDIA driver from NVIDIA, but still no luck.  The graphics card is a Geforce4 Go.  Any ideas?
[11:04] <hypatia> grondo: minus any packages that didn't build at that time
[11:05] <grondo> hypatia, thanks. I will stay with plain ubuntu packages for now
[11:05] <hypatia> grondo: it's unsupported and won't get security fixes
[11:05] <hypatia> although there seems to be some move towards allowing users to upload new packages to it after some approval process. I don't know the details.
[11:08] <cyates> Any ideas to my previous request?  Please :)
[11:08] <grondo> is it safe to upgrade gnome packages with synaptic (that means while running gnome)?
[11:09] <Treenaks> why not..
[11:10] <pisuke> i did it.
[11:10] <pisuke> but one it finished i loged out and in
[11:10] <grondo> well, cause it's like changing gnome files/lib and so on while using it
[11:10] <cyates> grondo: sure, but the new packages won't replace existing ones in memory, so logging out and logged back in is probably a good bet
[11:10] <grondo> pisuke, of course I will
[11:12] <hypatia> yeah, it's safe
[11:12] <hypatia> I suppose the only risk is if they change actual settings
[11:13] <hypatia> existing processes will continue running against old libraries until they end
[11:15] <carlos> npmccallum: good work with ubuntu-sounds
[11:15] <linux_mafia> carlos, are they african noises?
[11:16] <carlos> linux_mafia: I think so :-)
[11:17] <grondo> what about apt-listbugs in ubuntu? is there a BTS to check before upgrades?
[11:17] <Hrdwr_BoB> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[11:18] <grondo> is there some integration with BTS and upgrade tools (apt and so on)?
[11:18] <thom> hypatia: it seems that FindAsYouType is broken in most distros, currently :/
[11:19] <thom> but it works fine in the moz.org binary release
[11:20] <fabbione> thom: at least that's not a X XKB problem ;)
[11:21] <fabbione> that makes me kinda happy
[11:22] <grondo> fabbione, non c' apt-listbugs in ubuntu?
[11:22] <thom> heh
[11:23] <hypatia> thom: Even Ctrl+G seems to be broken though
[11:23] <thom> yep
[11:23] <thom> its all the same brokenness
[11:23] <thom> not helped by the fact that the firefox automake system appears to be broken
[11:23] <Treenaks> any idea when firefox 1.0 final (or a new RC) will be released?
[11:23] <hypatia> in fact, the Ctrl-F dialog doesn't seem to find anything at all, ever.
[11:24] <hypatia> or if it does, it isn't highlighting it :)
[11:24] <piotr> hi
[11:24] <hypatia> which is pretty much the same thing
[11:24] <Treenaks> hypatia: the "highlight" button works..
[11:24] <thom> yeah
[11:24] <Treenaks> but that's about the only thing..
[11:25] <linux_mafia> same here
[11:31] <linux_mafia> wido, hows our bt address app coming ;)
[11:36] <alextreme> morning
[11:37] <za-ka-ria> ubuntu rocks!
[11:37] <linux_mafia> za-ka-ria, back and forth?
[11:38] <piotr> bye
[11:56] <daniels> holy shit! my multimedia buttons automatically got bound to rhythmbox actions
[11:56] <daniels> that is too cool.
[11:56] <Kinnison> Heh
[11:56] <Treenaks> hm, my multimedia buttons don't work unless I first send some magic code to the keyboard :(
[11:57] <linux_mafia> daniels, my ones did too, its rad aye, what kbd you got, ive got a genius something
[11:59] <daniels> i've got a logitech desotk pro or something
[11:59] <daniels> had to set the xkb variant manually, but eh
[12:00] <Treenaks> daniels: it should be possible to detect the USB keyboards automagically
[12:00] <daniels> Treenaks: not the wireless ones
[12:01] <Treenaks> daniels: true.. but the other ones?
[12:01] <daniels> tree	probably
[12:54] <ondrej> g'day...  bugzilla is broken :-(
[12:54] <cef> anyone know wether ubuntu will support broadcom wireless out of the box.. my guess (considering the status broadcom have taken to linux) is a big no....
[12:55] <seb128> ondrej: hello. Yes, I've just noticed that
[12:55] <ondrej> I wanted to fill bug about adding python-glade2 meta package to main seed...
[12:58] <dalderman> hi guys
[12:59] <dalderman> I am seeing some errors when performing updates with aptitude
[12:59] <dalderman> ** (process:6535): CRITICAL **: file eggdesktopentries.c: line 2226 (egg_desktop_entries_add_group): assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[12:59] <dalderman> Is this known about?
[12:59] <dalderman> happened during the gimp upgrade specifically
[01:00] <justdave> ondrej: should be fixed now.
[01:00] <justdave> I was updating it, and had a patch slip in that shouldn't have and toasted it for a minute or two
[01:02] <ondrej> will you also fix certificate mess and including http:// image in https:// pages?
[01:03] <thom> justdave: you need to style the pulldown menus, they look awful right now
[01:03] <justdave> I don't have access to fix the certificate
[01:03] <seb128> justdave: is there any way to get a NEEDINFO status ?
[01:03] <justdave> seb128: there is one
[01:03] <seb128> oh yes
[01:03] <justdave> seb128: that was part of the update I just did
[01:03] <justdave> :)
[01:03] <seb128> that's new
[01:03] <thom> justdave: YAY!!!!!
[01:04] <cef> why is it that laptops seem to either have really good processors and shit radios, or shit processors and really good radios.. *sigh*
[01:04] <seb128> thanks a lot
[01:04] <thom> assign to me! rock!
[01:04] <justdave> thom can probably fix the certificate
[01:04] <mjg59> cef: Radios?
[01:04] <cef> bbk
[01:05] <cef> mjg59: wireless
[01:05] <justdave> hmm, http content in the https....  forgot about that
[01:05] <mjg59> Ah, right
[01:05] <mjg59> In general, you can change the wireless
[01:05] <mjg59> But Intel stuff is pretty well supported now
[01:05] <thom> justdave: being able to click anywhere on the bug in the search page would be nice, too
[01:05] <thom> rather than just the number
[01:05] <cef> mjg59: eg: I can get a laptop with an amd64 cpu but with a broadcom chipset
[01:05] <hiweed> hey carlos
[01:06] <cef> mjg59: or I can get a Pentium M (slow) with an IPW2200
[01:06] <hiweed> are you the buddie named carlos on site linuxsir.org/bbs ?
[01:06] <carlos> hiweed: hi
[01:06] <carlos> hiweed: no, I'm not
[01:06] <hiweed> oh sorry...
[01:06] <carlos> hiweed: no problem
[01:06] <hiweed> :)
[01:06] <mjg59> Hrm. Nobody sells amd64 with atheros?
[01:07] <justdave> hmm, ubuntulinux.org does do https, except the certificate belongs to another domain, and it's password-protected
[01:07] <cef> mjg59: not sure.. atheros has decent non-binary linux support now?
[01:07] <mjg59> No, it's partially binary
[01:07] <justdave> so much for borrowing css from the main website
[01:07] <mjg59> You can always throw an old prism2 part in :)
[01:07] <cef> firmware blob for the card or actual code that executes on the cpu?
[01:08] <cef> yeeah I've got a few cards like that.. but it's annoying
[01:08] <cef> the real annoying thing is, the AMD64 is cheaper than the pentium M machine
[01:08] <mjg59> The Atheros stuff is actual code that executes on the host CPU
[01:08] <mjg59> But the rest of the driver is open
[01:09] <pere> I just used updated to firefox 0.99+1.0PRubuntu. Suddenly find (as in ctrl+find) isnt working. Anyone else experienced that?
[01:09] <cef> ahh that's bad for me.. I'm trying to find a full free code only solution
[01:09] <Treenaks> pere: almost everyone, yes
[01:09] <cef> mjg59: least, something that if necessary I can run with free drivers for everything.. 
[01:09] <pere> ..:-) OK. Thanks. Just have to wait for a fix then..:-)
[01:09] <MacPlusG3> cef: there's the prism54 stuff - it's a binary firmware that's loaded to the device - but i view this as better than firmware-on-flash as it means i can actually update it :)
[01:09] <mjg59> Yeah. At the moment that's either Intel or Prism54 
[01:10] <cef> mjg59: and oddly enough, nvidia looks the way to go for graphics, cos I can always use the nv driver
[01:10] <justdave> pere: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1628
[01:10] <mjg59> ATI is fairly well supported for 2D, too
[01:10] <cef> MacPlusG3: yeah... but finding a laptop with prism54 = pain in the arse or expensive
[01:11] <MacPlusG3> cef: can always use pc-card
[01:11] <MacPlusG3> cef: that's what i do
[01:11] <cef> MacPlusG3: yeah I know.. hrm.. oh well.. spose that might be the way I go
[01:11] <MacPlusG3> cef: which means you get dem blinken lights!
[01:11] <cef> just hard to do decent kernel devel on a box with non-free drivers
[01:12] <hiweed> I wanna join the Ubuntu Developer Team, how to? would you pls tell me?
[01:12] <cef> ok, shower time
[01:12] <hiweed> I am the developer of Hiweed-Debian in China.
[01:12] <pere> justdave: Thanks.
[01:13] <hiweed> I found some bugs about Chinese in Ubuntu 4.1
[01:13] <hiweed> And I can fix them.
[01:13] <hiweed> So I wanna submit my paches.
[01:13] <ondrej> hiweed: best start would be to submit patches either to Debian BTS or Ubuntu Bugzilla
[01:14] <ondrej> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[01:14] <hiweed> Okay
[01:14] <hiweed> Thanks, ondrej
[01:18] <justin_> hey hiweed
[01:18] <justin_> whats happening with the hiweed debian distro?
[01:18] <justin_> any chances of a ppc version?
[01:19] <Brooman> what bootloader does ubuntu install by default? lilo or grub?
[01:19] <cardador> Brooman: grub
[01:20] <Brooman> are you absolutely sure? I have never had this kind of mbr trouble because of grub
[01:20] <hiweed> hey justin_
[01:21] <hiweed> erhh...
[01:21] <cardador> Brooman: what kind of trouble?
[01:21] <hiweed> I am prepare a special version for the National Day of China
[01:21] <hiweed> Hiweed-Debian 0.55
[01:21] <wido> linux_mafia: moin. unfortunately i haven't done anything yet. i'm currently busy with my math exams and my primary project
[01:21] <Brooman> winxp gets an error on boot up now..error loading operating system..and halts
[01:22] <Brooman> this NEVER happened before trying to install ubuntu
[01:22] <Brooman> i need to know how to wipe the mbr clean..windows xp fixmbr and fixboot will not fix the problem
[01:23] <justin_> hiweed: look forward to the release
[01:23] <hiweed> Can anybody speak Chinese?
[01:23] <cardador> Brooman: i think it is a common problem with kernel 2.6 distros
[01:23] <Brooman> cardador: never happened with gentoo. 
[01:24] <hiweed> justin_ : Okay thanks
[01:24] <cardador> Brooman: the partition table is changed and winxp is too dumb to figure out how to boot
[01:24] <Brooman> cardador: whatever..i just need to know how to get it back to normal..i have shit to do that i can't do in linux..anyway..i reformatted the whole drive and it still happens..any ideas?
[01:25] <cardador> Brooman: try google for it. you'll find out something about changing the hard disk geometry form CHS or auto to LBA in you pc BIOS
[01:25] <cardador> from*
[01:26] <Brooman> cardador: I wiped all those partitions...only thing left to wipe is mbr..do you know how to accomplish this?
[01:26] <dalderman> mjg59, can you point me at a good place to learn how to poke the bios on my Toshiba?  There is no boot setup, only a program to make it work in Winblowz :-(  I'd like to write a gtk app to do it for me in here.
[01:27] <cardador> Brooman: have you tried the fixmbr command?
[01:27] <cardador> with the winxp cd
[01:27] <Brooman> cardador: yes..did not work..
[01:28] <Brooman> cardador: ill try the bios setting at this point.
[01:29] <dalderman> mjg59, I know you have experience with bios type things from Ross, he told me about your mini pci problems with IBM.
[01:32] <mjg59> dalderman: Oh, eww :(
[01:32] <dalderman> mjg59, indeed, it's one of the few remaining reasons I have XP on here
[01:32] <mjg59> dalderman: It's likely that all it does is set values in nvram. /dev/nvram will tell you what the contents are.
[01:33] <dalderman> mjg59, ahhhh, cool, ta
[01:33] <mjg59> You could change values under Windows and see what changes under Linux, I guess
[01:33] <mjg59> Then write code to do the same :)
[01:33] <dalderman> mjg59, good idea, fanx
[01:33] <mjg59> If you're insanely lucky, they'll have a generic program with a model specific data file that you can reverse engineer
[01:33] <dalderman> mjg59, in anser to cef earlier, I got a prism54 card from ebay in minipci for 40
[01:33] <xordoquy> hi
[01:34] <dalderman> mjg59, works a treat
[01:34] <xordoquy> has there been any report on the ubuntu iso from yesteday not booting on powerbook ?
[01:35] <Kosai> cjwatson has a powerbook (and prepares the images), so that's unlikely but possible.
[01:37] <xordoquy> well, will probably give today build a try then
[01:37] <cef> dalderman: yeah.. annoying part with the laptop I was looking at was that the broadcom chipset it is actually onboard (or so it seems).. not just a minipci card or somesuch.. oh well
[01:37] <cef> dalderman: tis the price I guess I'll pay for getting an AMD64 laptop.. *grin*
[01:37] <dalderman> cef, oh you poor thing, it must be hard
[01:38] <dalderman> cef, may Sat Pro A10 is much inferior by comparrison :-)
[01:38] <dalderman> cef, still good for cooking my lap tho
[01:39] <cef> dalderman: heh.. well work is buying, so I'm trying to buy the best bang for their buck
[01:39] <dalderman> cef, the box says in big letters "Laptop Computer" with a bog sticker underneath saying "Warning, do not place on your lap as it will burn you!"
[01:39] <dalderman> s/bog/big
[01:39] <cef> dalderman: cos I know they won't spend a lot.. but AMD64's are in the ballpark if I go broadcom..
[01:39] <dalderman> cef, cool
[01:40] <cef> dalderman: though I still want a pay rise.. *grin*
[01:40] <GoneBoB> hooray payrises
[01:41] <GoneBoB> speaking of payrises.. I had a SCSI goat emergency today :/
[01:42] <GoneBoB> machine booted, but hung after loading the scsi driver when it was checking for the disks
[01:43] <GoneBoB> replace machine with an identical hardware machine - it boots
[01:44] <cef> did you replace the cable?
[01:44] <GoneBoB> nope
[01:44] <GoneBoB> just the machine
[01:44] <GoneBoB> which was lucky because it was just there
[01:45] <GoneBoB> and it was 4:30pm firday
[01:45] <JanneM> by any chance, has anybody tried ubuntu with a "Let's Note" R3?
[01:48] <pere> What is the best p2p filesharing program that runs under Ubuntu? I just tried aMule and xMule, but was not very impresses. Any others?
[01:49] <pisuke> don't know if it's mldonkey
[01:50] <pisuke> yep
[01:51] <ich> hi
[01:51] <ich> where to get rar for ubuntu?
[01:51] <pere> pisuke: Thanks, when Ive tried the mules, I might as well try the donkey...:-)
[01:51] <Muttley> mldonkey is great, if a little daunting to setup
[01:57] <JanneM> the newer versions have an ...interesting ui as well
[01:57] <ondrej> pere:dcgui-qt (direct connect)
[02:00] <cardador> the gui of mldonkey does not seem to be gtk
[02:01] <pisuke> cardador, you can install just the server, it has a web interface
[02:02] <pisuke> at port 4080
[02:02] <pere> ondrej: Im downloading it now...
[02:03] <pere> JanneM: You are right. Interesting is probably the right word for the gui...:-)
[02:03] <pisuke> mldonkey supports lots of p2p networks :)
[02:03] <pisuke> pere, localhost:4080
[02:03] <pere> pisuke:?
[02:04] <pisuke> pere, it's the web interface of the mldonkey server
[02:05] <cardador> pisuke: connection refused
[02:06] <cardador> pisuke: never mind
[02:06] <pere> pisuke: Seems to work OK. Less "interesting" than the other gui....
[02:06] <pisuke> yep
[02:07] <cardador> but wasnt the gui GTK?
[02:07] <pere> I guess I need a server-file for this donkey to start moving...
[02:08] <pisuke> pere, http://mldonkey.berlios.de/
[02:08] <pisuke> cardador, mldonkey has two parts server/client
[02:09] <pisuke> there are several clients
[02:09] <pisuke> from telnet to java
[02:11] <pisuke> bye
[02:14] <pere> rrr
[02:15] <justdave> ok, stylesheets and images have been copied onto the bugzilla server, so they're not being referenced via http anymore.  anyone still getting mixed content warnings?
[02:15] <ondrej> jdub: ping?
[02:18] <dalderman> hi guys, I have a question about building kernels
[02:18] <dalderman> I am trying out the alps patch for may lappy
[02:18] <dalderman> installed linux-source-2.6.8.1, copied in the config, did the make-kpkg clean, make-kpkg kernel_image and got my deb all fine
[02:19] <dalderman> question is, when I install the deb I don't get an initrd image made for the new kernel, have I missed some magic somewhere
[02:19] <dalderman> or can I just use the one that is already there?
[02:20] <thom> ok, i think i have a handle on type ahead find fuckage
[02:24] <sanitario> dalderman: pass the option "--initrd" to make-kpkg while doing make-kpkg kernel_image
[02:24] <dalderman> ahhh, ok
[02:24] <dalderman> damn, it took ages :-(
[02:24] <Treenaks> Why is there an initrd anyway?
[02:25] <dalderman> I used the config from the existing kernel which I guess requires one?
[02:25] <sanitario> yup
[02:26] <dalderman> Treenaks, although, like you say, why should I require an initrd, does the Ubunut kernel modularize ide dirvers or something like that?
[02:26] <liff> seems like the latest .iso is broken or something?
[02:27] <Treenaks> dalderman: no, I wonder why the ubuntu kernel requires an initrd..
[02:27] <sanitario> dalderman and Treenaks: the ubuntu kernel is like debians kernel, the most of it comes as modules, and some of the modules are required at boot, and then you need initrd
[02:27] <sanitario> like ide
[02:28] <dalderman> sanitario, is there a way to build the initrd from my built kernel without going through the build again?  It cooks my lappy!
[02:28] <dalderman> sanitario, if I haven't cleaned it should skip most of it right?
[02:28] <Treenaks> sanitario: I've never used an initrd with my own kernels...
[02:28] <sanitario> dalderman: yes
[02:28] <dalderman> sanitario, god bless make :-)
[02:29] <sanitario> dalderman: just don't run clean, and it should go pretty fast
[02:38] <thom> ack. unfortunately fixing find means that the backspace key works again
[02:38] <grondo> in my desktop there are no icons (disks, home and so on). is that normal?
[02:38] <tseng> grondo: yes.
[02:39] <grondo> tseng, I usually use debian sid and sarge gnome 2.6
[02:39] <grondo> what if I'd like to have incons in gnome desktop?
[02:39] <tseng> its a gconf option
[02:39] <tseng>  /apps/nautilus/desktop
[02:39] <tseng> clikc on the ones you want.
[02:40] <grondo> but most important: where is the file manager???
[02:40] <tseng> ...
[02:40] <Treenaks> grondo: Computer -> Disks
[02:40] <tseng> Computer - Home, Disks, Network
[02:40] <grondo> Treenaks, I mean the one with the tree view
[02:40] <Treenaks> grondo: you don't need that
[02:40] <tseng> applications - file browser
[02:40] <grondo> Treenaks, well, let me decide...
[02:41] <grondo> tseng, it's not there, alsa!
[02:41] <grondo> alas!
[02:41] <tseng> its there here.
[02:41] <tseng> you can make your own launcher to nautilus --browser
[02:42] <grondo> tseng, I've just dist-upgraded. There was no file-manager in the apps menu
[02:42] <tseng> ok, fine. make one
[02:42] <grondo> during upgrade it appeared in the menu but after reboot (new kernel) it's no there anymore
[02:43] <tseng> ok mate
[02:43] <tseng> open your menu
[02:43] <tseng> right click an item
[02:43] <tseng> click Entire Menu - Add new item
[02:44] <tseng> make it run nautilus --browser
[02:44] <tseng> thats all there is to it
[02:45] <thom> justdave: that stylesheet needs to push everything much further off the left hand border of the browser
[02:53] <grondo> tseng, right clicking in computer or apps menu open the item the mouse is over
[02:54] <grondo> tseng, I can only add entries in submenus
[02:56] <Hmmm> guys can i use debian apt repositories with ubuntu?
[02:57] <grondo> Hmmm, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.7453904394
[02:58] <Hmmm> grondo, thnx
[02:59] <Hmmm> iv read the advice on the FAQ
[02:59] <Hmmm> but are there enough ubuntu specific packages?
[02:59] <Hmmm> i couldnt find f-spot on it for example
[03:00] <thom> there's a mono repository, seperate
[03:00] <Hmmm> thom, do u have a url, pls
[03:00] <chrisime> hi thom
[03:01] <thom> Hmmm: it's on the users list, but wait one
[03:01] <thom> hey chrisime 
[03:02] <thom> how goes it dude?
[03:02] <thom> Hmmm: deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./
[03:02] <thom> add that to your sources.list
[03:02] <lypie> daniels: ubuntu install night tonight :P
[03:03] <chrisime> thom, oh well, looking for a job right now. beside that, it's ok
[03:03] <Hmmm> thom, thnx
[03:03] <lypie> anyone got any random errata i should know about?
[03:03] <Hmmm> what's the "./" at the end btw?
[03:03] <chrisime> that it looks in that directory
[03:03] <thom> lypie: use current daily cds, firefox is a little broken :/
[03:03] <Hmmm> oh ok
[03:04] <Hmmm> iv just migrated from fc2 to ubuntu
[03:04] <Hmmm> thom, can u pls tell me how to add this repository to my apt?
[03:04] <lypie> thom: don't use firefox luckily :) :P
[03:05] <lypie> thom: in fact its a headless box :)
[03:05] <thom> Hmmm: i just did
[03:05] <thom> add that line to /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:05] <thom> run sudo apt-get update
[03:05] <Hmmm> ok thnx
[03:06] <Hmmm> thom, thanks... im updating my list
[03:07] <zombics> what i need to apt-get to install the nvidia drivers?(no nvidia-glx coz i use the 64BIT ver)
[03:08] <Qerub> zombics: linux-restricted-modules or something like that. but you better wait for a better answer :)
[03:08] <Qerub> zombics: apt-cache search for it.
[03:08] <Hmmm> wud it be recommended that i use ubuntu as a postfix mail server?
[03:08] <Hmmm> i thought of using debian
[03:08] <Qerub> Hmmm: is postfix in ubuntu main?
[03:08] <thom> Qerub: yes
[03:08] <Hmmm> but this looks so much easier to instll
[03:08] <thom> it's the default mail server
[03:09] <thom> Hmmm: sure.
[03:09] <Hmmm> Qerub, yup its there
[03:09] <Hmmm> is ti stable?
[03:09] <Qerub> Hmmm: then it could be nice... if you want gnome on your server.
[03:09] <Hmmm> i find it sooooooo much faster than fc2
[03:09] <Hmmm> i want gnome on my server yup i do
[03:09] <Qerub> Hmmm: (not that you can't purge gnome)
[03:09] <thom> pass the "custom" flag to the installer, iirc. just installs base then
[03:10] <thom> (ie, no gnome)
[03:10] <Hmmm> ok
[03:12] <Hmmm> i shoudl be able to duplicate this process on ubuntu right?
[03:13] <Hmmm> http://www.projektfarm.com/en/support/debian_setup/
[03:14] <thom> should be identical
[03:15] <Hmmm> thnx im gona give it a shot
[03:15] <thom> you won't need to add the extra apt repos
[03:16] <Hmmm> why not?
[03:20] <jdub> ondrej: pong
[03:21] <daniels> lypie: huzzah!
[03:23] <ondrej> jdub: I just finished polishing gnome bittorent downloader, could you please look at it?
[03:23] <ondrej> I have uploaded it to: www.sury.org/ubuntu/
[03:24] <Hmmm> i just insatlled webmin
[03:24] <Hmmm> cant login as root coz there's no root password
[03:24] <jdub> ondrej: will have a look in a while, attempting to relax a bit atm ;)
[03:24] <Hmmm> what do i do guys?
[03:25] <Qerub> ondrej: DEBEMAIL
[03:25] <Qerub> Hmmm: sudo passwd root
[03:25] <Hmmm> ok
[03:25] <Qerub> Hmmm: specifying root may be unnecessary though
[03:26] <Hmmm> kewl thanks
[03:28] <ondrej> jdub: no problem, I am leaving to do some weekend shopping anyway :-)
[03:29] <ondrej> Qerub: ah, will fix that...  fresh install and I have not restored all my backups yet...
[03:38] <aleitner_> hi i just tried installing ubuntu preview 1 in a vmware session, but vmware crashed while the ubuntu-installer installed the deb packages (specifically while installing glibc)
[03:38] <aleitner_> is this a known problem?
[03:39] <spiv> I recall seeing something about vmware on the mailing list...
[03:39] <spiv> Maybe try searching the list archives?
[03:39] <aleitner_> spiv: ahh, nice. will do
[03:40] <psyklops> have you tried installing it multiple times?
[03:40] <psyklops> I had it fail on base system install
[03:40] <aleitner_> psyklops: two times in a row. both times the exact same behavior...
[03:40] <psyklops> but it was on random .debs
[03:40] <aleitner_> psyklops: the second time it failed on glibc, the first time i dont know
[03:40] <psyklops> eh... damn, I was hoping someone else had the problem I had
[03:41] <psyklops> still not solved
[03:41] <psyklops> did you burn it to a different CD and try again?
[03:41] <pere> am I supposed to get "authentication faillure" when I try "su"?
[03:41] <aleitner_> psyklops: i am using an iso image as cdrom
[03:41] <psyklops> yep
[03:41] <spiv> psyklops: I'm guessing they didn't burn at all, seeing as they're using vmware  :)
[03:41] <psyklops> oh...
[03:42] <aleitner_> spiv: (; true true
[03:42] <psyklops> not familiar with vmware
[03:43] <psyklops> pere: root account is "disabled"
[03:43] <pisuke> pere, there's no root account in ubuntu. Just use sudo.
[03:43] <psyklops> you have to sudo everything
[03:43] <psyklops> and the password is your user's password
[03:44] <pisuke> i've read somewhere osx works like ubuntu. no root. is it correct?
[03:44] <pisuke> just curious
[03:45] <thom> pisuke: yeah, we disable the root password by default, and have changed everything to use sudo
[03:45] <Lowe> that sound juice ripper sucks
[03:45] <thom> pisuke: and yeah, os x is similar
[03:46] <pisuke> i was surprised when installed ubuntu
[03:46] <pisuke> i think i like it
[03:47] <thom> it's a good paradigm
[03:47] <igster> are you guys intentionally making the installer work well with laptops?  this is the only disto out of dozens that gets all my hardware right on a Dell 5150
[03:47] <thom> you really _shouldn't_ use root if you don't have to
[03:47] <thom> igster: yes
[03:47] <thom> :-)
[03:48] <igster> i must say i am impressed :-)
[03:48] <pisuke> the only adventage of su is its shorter to type
[03:50] <igster> i was wondering about one thing though.  i am getting about 1400 fps on an ati radeon 9000 mobility.  is it worth install fglrx?
[03:50] <igster> i usually have to so that's why i ask
[03:51] <aleitner_> yeah its always at the exact same package: libc6-i686
[03:51] <aleitner_> weird thing is, i am on a pentium-m, which as far as i know is only i586, no?
[03:59] <dieman> *yawn*
[03:59] <dieman> back to another day of distro hacking.
[04:00] <dieman> im nearly complete with getting gnome up to snuff
[04:00] <dieman> need to find out why i lost all my panel icons
[04:00] <dieman> going from gnome 2.8 back to gnome 2.2
[04:00] <dieman> and just the launchers
[04:00] <psi> i tried to install ubuntu a few minutes ago, but the installer fails with something similar to "couldn't install initrd-tools" and then the base installation fails
[04:01] <Keybuk> dieman: why the downgrade?
[04:01] <pisuke> mmm. they disabled type ahead find in firefox? or is an ubuntu bug?
[04:01] <Treenaks> psi: what kind of machine?
[04:01] <psi> looking at console 3, there's a message saying that initrd-tools is already up to date, and that vim failed to install
[04:01] <Treenaks> pisuke: firefox bug
[04:01] <pisuke> Treenaks, thx
[04:01] <dieman> Keybuk: i've got a unified filesystem across our entire computing environment -- homedirectories are mounted on woody machines, solarris machine, etc.
[04:01] <psyklops> pisuke: check your preferences infirefox
[04:01] <Keybuk> ah right
[04:01] <psi> Treenaks: i386 (p4)
[04:01] <dieman> Keybuk: i have to continue to support woody as i upgrade
[04:02] <psi> vim failed to install because of gnome dependencies that weren't going to be installed
[04:02] <dieman> (soory, im on gprs this morning on my way to work, so its all laggy)
[04:02] <dieman> sorry, even
[04:02] <dieman> :)
[04:02] <dieman> i still find it funny that gprs is cheaper here than in europe
[04:02] <dieman> you guys have more density.
[04:03] <dieman> (of users)
[04:03] <Treenaks> dieman: mobile phone companies are trying to make money.. they think we won't notice
[04:03] <dieman> heh
[04:04] <Treenaks> cheapest I can get is 2MB for EUR 1.50
[04:04] <Treenaks> (so if you use 10MB, you pay 5*1.50)
[04:04] <dieman> i'm paying $30usd/mo for unlimited on a seperate sim card
[04:04] <ionte> Hi. Installation fails on initrd-tools (but really i think it is vim: it has unmet dependencies which are "not going to be installed"). tried several times. any hints?
[04:04] <dieman> would be $20 if i did it through my phone
[04:04] <dieman> but i prefer class 10 gprs
[04:04] <ionte> can i skip vim?
[04:05] <Treenaks> dieman: "class 10 gprs" ?
[04:05] <dieman> ionte: no idea offhand, sorry :|
[04:05] <dieman> Treenaks: yeah, gprs has classes that define how many timeslots you can use hardwarewise.
[04:05] <ionte> :((( need to do some banking, and now ive got no computer :)
[04:05] <dieman> Treenaks: here in the usa most providers give you up to 5 timeslots
[04:05] <ceu> I'm trying to install ubuntu under vmware, but the setup fails (a base-passwd pre-installation script segfaults). Is it a know problem?
[04:05] <psi> ionte: i have tge same problem
[04:06] <Treenaks> ah.. most providers here just don't tell you
[04:06] <dieman> Treenaks: class10 can use all 5, and it can also shift timeslots from rx to tx depending on if you need them
[04:06] <dieman> Treenaks: like 4+1 or 3+2
[04:06] <ionte> psi: but no solution i guess?
[04:06] <Treenaks> dieman: not even that
[04:06] <psi> ionte: nope. i came in here asking a few minutes before you did :)
[04:06] <Treenaks> dieman: just "GPRS"
[04:06] <dieman> Treenaks: heh
[04:06] <psi> i guess the daily iso is buggered
[04:06] <dieman> Treenaks: did high speed csd ever take off?
[04:07] <Treenaks> dieman: no
[04:07] <dieman> heh
[04:07] <dieman> my last phone had hscsd support
[04:07] <ionte> i can chroot to /target and do apt-get -f install, and it installs everything needed. but that is overriden when doing a new installation ...
[04:07] <dieman> never got to use it
[04:07] <Treenaks> dieman: and telcos are reluctant to implement EDGE as well, waiting for UMTS/3G
[04:07] <dieman> Treenaks: we might get edge this year or early next year
[04:08] <dieman> Treenaks: but UMTS is way, way out there -- the fcc has to get its act together in proving the frequencies.
[04:08] <dieman> they finally moved some shit around so we could match up some of our 3g stuff to europe
[04:08] <dieman> umts is on the way, rather
[04:08] <dieman> s/proving/providing/
[04:08] <dieman> ykes :)
[04:08] <dieman> yikes, need to slow down.
[04:08] <Treenaks> dieman: the first 2 networks are operational here in .nl -- the other 2 should be within the year
[04:09] <dieman> nice
[04:09] <dieman> i just hope my data prices don't go up 300%
[04:09] <ionte> where on the cd is the list of packages to be installed in base installation?
[04:13] <Treenaks> dieman: Class seems to be maximal everywhere (12)
[04:17] <aleitner_> fwiw, i disabled the vmware acceleration and now it seems to work...
[04:28] <jono> my iriver is detected by hal on my powerbook but not on my main i686 PC - any idea why?
[04:28] <jono> same version of Ubuntu
[04:39] <elim> what is the eta of the forum for ubuntu?
[04:41] <neuro|laptop> hopefully when hell freezes over
[04:42] <linux_mafia> neuro|laptop, not a fan of forums?
[04:43] <thom> neuro|laptop: that soon :(
[04:46] <linux_mafia> i just installed ubuntu on this pc, check it out http://users.net1plus.com/scottm/HomeComputer.jpg
[04:46] <thom> heh, heh
[04:47] <Ycros> what's with the wheel
[04:48] <ulmen> steering wheel ... ;)
[04:49] <linux_mafia> Ycros, early mouse wheel
[04:51] <linux_mafia> very quiet in here right now, everyone gone for tea?
[04:55] <z1nOnly> what is default root password in ubuntu?
[04:56] <ulmen> ubuntu has root disabled by default
[04:56] <z1nOnly> ulmen, thanks!  how do you enable?
[04:57] <Depht> z1nOnly: better is to use sudo
[04:57] <Depht> after all, anyone can su, all you need is the password, but you need to be authorised to sudo
[04:58] <Qerub> z1nOnly: (if you want to activate root anyway, just "sudo passwd root")
[04:58] <z1nOnly> ulmen, I am trying to modify sources.list file, how do i do accomplish?  (linux newbie)
[04:58] <ulmen> z1nOnly: sudo <whateveryou want to execute>
[04:58] <Deft> z1nOnly: top way is to use the dialog in synaptic
[04:59] <Deft> it's Preferences | Repositories
[04:59] <Qerub> z1nOnly: synaptic or sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:59] <Deft> uh, Settings | Repositories
[04:59] <z1nOnly> Deft, thanks!
[05:00] <z1nOnly> Deft, do i select both?
[05:00] <Deft> both sources?
[05:01] <aleitner_> congrats guys, i just played around with the preview. looks very slick!
[05:01] <Deft> select the one with main and universe, unselect the one with just main
[05:01] <z1nOnly> Deft, i see two unselected, should i select both?
[05:01] <morganc> I've got a Cardbus USB adaptor. How do I stop it so I can remove it on the fly?
[05:01] <z1nOnly> Deft, ok, i see it now
[05:02] <aleitner_> Deft: how does one enable/disable sudo support for a given user?
[05:02] <Qerub> aleitner_: /etc/sudoers
[05:02] <Qerub> morganc: right click on the device in nautilus and click unmount
[05:02] <aleitner_> Qerub: ah ok. i hoped there is something nice that a newbie could user too
[05:03] <elim> what is wrong with forums?
[05:04] <MatthewJ> how do you set up cdrecord?
[05:04] <spiv> aleitner_: I think you can add them to the sudo group using the Users & Groups tool in COmputer -> System Configuration.
[05:04] <MatthewJ> cdrecord -scanbus didnt find my burner, do i need to load some modules?
[05:04] <aleitner_> spiv: ah, that sounds a lot better
[05:05] <Qerub> MatthewJ: -scanbus only detects SCSI things IIRC:
[05:05] <morganc> Qerub: no, it's a pcmcia / cardbus device that gives me USB ports. Not a USB drive. So how do I remove a pcmcia device?
[05:05] <Qerub> morganc: sorry, read to quick.
[05:06] <Qerub> morganc: cardmgr then
[05:06] <morganc> Qerub: thanks, now I remember.
[05:06] <Qerub> morganc: there's some graphical tool included with it...
[05:08] <z1nOnly> can anyone recommend cd burning application for gnome?
[05:09] <Qerub> z1nOnly: nautilus-cd-burner - CD Burning front-end for Nautilus
[05:09] <Qerub> z1nOnly: it's very simple tough
[05:09] <krischan> I know this is probably a GNOME question, but: I'd like to add a custom folder to my Applications menu, but how can I do that?
[05:09] <Qerub> though*
[05:09] <z1nOnly> Qerub, thanks!
[05:09] <Qerub> z1nOnly: np
[05:10] <Qerub> z1nOnly: k3b is a very nice app otherwise, but it's for kde.
[05:10] <thom> nautilus-cd-burner - right click on an iso image,and select burn. or open nautilus and go to places
[05:10] <Lowe> k3b works though
[05:10] <Qerub> i didn't say that :) but the request included "gnome"...
[05:10] <Lowe> Linux lacks so much in the multimedia side *yawn*
[05:11] <trukulo> thom, can you make isos with a directory with nautilus-burner ?
[05:11] <z1nOnly> is nautilus insalled by default with gnome 2.8 in ubuntu?
[05:12] <tseng> z1nOnly: yes/
[05:12] <thom> trukulo: no idea
[05:12] <linux_mafia> k3b has to be used as root though, cause of the stupid 2.6.8.x cd burning bug/problem
[05:13] <linux_mafia> does it affect nautilus's burner?
[05:14] <z1nOnly> tseng, i don't see under applications->multimedia?
[05:14] <tseng> z1nOnly: nautilus has nothing to do with multimedia, sorry.
[05:14] <tseng> z1nOnly: what app are you looking for.
[05:14] <z1nOnly> tseng, cd-burner
[05:15] <tseng> computer - discs
[05:15] <linux_mafia> MatthewJ, do sudo cdrecord -scanbus dev=/dev/xxx
[05:15] <tseng> click places - cd burner
[05:15] <spiv> z1nOnly: Have you tried just inserting a blank disk?  I think it'll open the burner program automatically?
[05:16] <TongMaster> spiv!
[05:16] <spiv> Tong!
[05:16] <z1nOnly> tseng, spiv, thanks... i understand now.
[05:16] <TongMaster> you too l33t for 3pipe these days?
[05:17] <spiv> TongMaster: Aw :(
[05:17] <TongMaster> heh
[05:17] <spiv> I'm having enough trouble keeping up with email and the channels I'm still on, working and travelling at the same time is hard work :)
[05:17] <linux_mafia> does anyone know if the 2.6.8.x cd burning bug/problem affects the burning app in nautilus?
[05:19] <TongMaster> spiv, maaaaaate, you need to more #pipe ;)
[05:20] <mwh_> Hi, I just installed blackdown java, and I was wondering why the java-plugin is not loaded in my browser
[05:21] <mwh_> anyone using blackdown ?
[05:21] <hypatia> I thought blackdown was still not built with gcc 3
[05:21] <hypatia> I tend to use the sun jre for that reason
[05:21] <schweeb> mwh_: you have to make a symlink into your browser's plugin directories
[05:21] <schweeb> hypatia: yes, they have one linked w/ gcc3
[05:22] <TongMaster> see spiv, at least hypatia is not too l33t for #pipe
[05:22] <TongMaster> ;)
[05:22] <jeld> hello all
[05:22] <aleitner_> ok, cu guys. and keep up the great work!
[05:22] <Mitario> hi all
[05:22] <hypatia> schweeb: oh ok. I guess I just assumed they made the plugin link automatically like they used to
[05:22] <mwh_> schweeb: I have a symlink in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[05:23] <schweeb> are you using firefox or mozilla?
[05:23] <mwh_> I think both
[05:23] <mwh_> and epiphany
[05:23] <schweeb> well
[05:23] <schweeb> pick one you want working now
[05:23] <mwh_> I have installed flash and it works okay, the plugin for that is ok
[05:23] <mwh_> mozilla
[05:23] <schweeb> mozilla proper or mozilla firefox?
[05:24] <jeld> I have just installed ubuntu on my system, it seems that the only locale present is en_US.iso88591 how would I go about installing en_US.utf8
[05:24] <schweeb> jeld: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[05:24] <linux_mafia> mwh_, i followed this http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php
[05:25] <jeld> schweeb: great, thanx!
[05:26] <jeld> finally, a distribution that actually DOES work out of the box (even if there is no box :) ) Great work, thanx!
[05:27] <mwh_> just mozilla
[05:27] <mwh_> hypatia: maybe thats the case
[05:27] <gangas> hey just wondering...how come the command "locate" doesnt work... i mean it says "cant locate blah blah slocate.db"
[05:27] <mwh_> hypatia: when I run the command java it executes, thats a good sign :)
[05:27] <mwh_> hypatia: anyways how can I find out if it is compiled with gcc3?
[05:27] <mwh_> hypatia: the symlink is made automatically
[05:27] <mwh_> hmm my network connection suck a bit .. 
[05:27] <Mitario> jeld, yeah, ubuntu is even so good, the box just pops up out of existence in front of you!
[05:27] <linux_mafia> gangas, you have to do sudo updatedb first to create it
[05:28] <gangas> oh ok... thanks
[05:28] <convertor> hi guys - anyone know where to get java debs depository....
[05:29] <mwh_> linux_mafia: ill probably just follow that guide, would be nice though to find a package which just worked on ubuntu ;) anyways thats sun's policy sigh, wish there was a working opensource java applet runtime :)
[05:29] <mwh_> linux_mafia: thanks
[05:29] <linux_mafia> convertor, i followed this to get mine http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php
[05:29] <gangas> how do i install extra language support other than english, ie chinese
[05:30] <hypatia> mwh_: i'm trying to find out
[05:30] <linux_mafia> gangas, display or input?
[05:30] <gangas> just display
[05:31] <linux_mafia> gangas, installed by default, you just needed to enable utf-8 which you just did i think
[05:31] <gangas> ok great!
[05:31] <gangas> thanks heaps
[05:31] <convertor> linux_mafia, thanks :)
[05:32] <linux_mafia> gangas, ni shuo zhongwen?
[05:36] <gangas> mafia: i speak cantonese instead hehe
[05:36] <schweeb> hrm
[05:36] <schweeb> sweet
[05:37] <schweeb> my javascript seems to be broken in firefox
[05:37] <schweeb> @_@
[05:37] <linux_mafia> gangas, im just trying to learn putonghua at the moment
[05:37] <cardador> i have a question: if i change my locale, all the software i install will be on that locale language, or in english?
[05:38] <thom> schweeb: upgrade :-)
[05:38] <Keybuk> hrm, is it me or are the current vim packages in ubuntu broken?
[05:38] <thom> and keep doing so till it works or you get bored :-)
[05:38] <Keybuk> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/vim_1%3a6.2-532+4ubuntu2_i386.deb (--install):
[05:38] <Keybuk>  trying to overwrite `/etc/vim/gvimrc', which is also in package vim-python
[05:38] <thom> yeah
[05:38] <schweeb> thom: yea, doing so right now.  I'm just surprised I haven't noticed it since last night ;)
[05:38] <thom> i only uploaded an hour ago :-)
[05:38] <Keybuk> thom: ah, you uploaded them ... that explains it then
[05:39] <Keybuk> there should be some way of doing "hold anything where changed-by contains 'thom'" :p
[05:39] <thom> Keybuk: not vim, you slag
[05:39] <thom> that's a lamont special
[05:39] <schweeb> that explains it, I've only been at work for like an hour... haven't really gotten enough accomplished to determine that my javascript was broke ;)
[05:39] <Keybuk> thom: that explains it *even more* :D
[05:39] <linux_mafia> cardador, that locale, ie spanish iirc, thats if the app was compiled with support that is
[05:39] <Keybuk> hmm... someone's changed Bugzilla ... MY EYES!
[05:39] <thom> schweeb: you should have working type ahead find again
[05:39] <thom> as well
[05:39] <schweeb> I should have noticed as soon as I got in, as my ticket management system uses javacript menus
[05:40] <cardador> linux_mafia: ok tks
[05:40] <schweeb> lol
[05:40] <schweeb> thom: awesome, you rock
[05:40] <schweeb> thom: so what was the problem?  upstream problem or packaging problem
[05:40] <thom> schweeb: upstream
[05:40] <thom> turning the "typeaheadfind" extension _off_ causes typeaheadfind to work
[05:40] <gangas> how do i edit my grub to boot winxp by default?
[05:41] <schweeb> heh
[05:41] <schweeb> nice
[05:41] <linux_mafia> gangas, sorry we cannot help you to do that ;)
[05:41] <gangas> lol
[05:41] <intero> ;)
[05:43] <lamont> keybuk/thom: yeah, I borked vim.  I'll fix it tonigyht
[05:43] <lamont> meanwhile, just apt-get remove vim-gnome
[05:43] <lamont> and vim-python
[05:44] <Keybuk> lamont: I just did force-overwrite
[05:44] <linux_mafia> gangas, http://libranet.com/support/2.8/0404
[05:45] <gangas> thanks!
[05:46] <linux_mafia> gangas, google is your friend
[05:47] <schweeb> thom: do I have to kill my profile? cause it still be broken
[05:47] <thom> schweeb: .mozilla/firefox/default.thing/compreg.da
[05:47] <thom> t
[05:48] <thom> nuke that
[05:48] <thom> where "thing" is a random collection of letters
[05:48] <schweeb> yes
[05:48] <schweeb> h8 mozilla profile
[05:48] <schweeb> s
[05:49] <TongMaster> tyou could call it Epiphany, thom
[05:49] <thom> no, that is still at teh suck of moz, in a pretty wrapper
[05:49] <TongMaster> :)
[05:49] <igster> can someone give me a suggestion for a good gnome audio player besides totem or xmms?
[05:49] <petemc> igster: beep
[05:50] <TongMaster> A pretty wrapper without *TAB COMPLETION*
[05:50] <TongMaster> not that it bothers me
[05:50] <Lowe> find in firefox is broken :(
[05:50] <TongMaster> igster, rhythmbox mate.
[05:50] <thom> Lowe: upgrade, delete profile, profit
[05:53] <tube013> Is there a way to get printers on remote cups servers auto recognized?
[05:53] <dieman> you could just not install the server locally and just use the client
[05:53] <dieman> and put in the /etc/cups/client.conf:
[05:54] <dieman> ServerName blah
[05:54] <convertor> thom,nice ubuntu nice...
[05:54] <tube013> cool I'll give that a shot
[05:54] <convertor> another good speach from jdub tonight...
[05:57] <schweeb> thom: well, removing compreg didn't help, but deleting the profile worked
[05:58] <hypatia> this is going to cost me my entire password database and bookmarks isn't it?
[05:59] <schweeb> well
[05:59] <tube013> I got cups auto detection to work by turning browsing on in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
[05:59] <schweeb> mv .mozilla/firefox .mozilla/firefox_old
[05:59] <schweeb> then you have a backup
[05:59] <hypatia> yep
[05:59] <schweeb> and can move bookmarks.html
[05:59] <hypatia> except I don't know which files to move back
[06:00] <schweeb> I don't remember which file is the pw db
[06:00] <hypatia> and my last set of adventures in profile editing showed me that they don't intend them to be human editable.
[06:01] <WW> tube13: Did you turn on browsing in the computer to which the computer is attached, the remote computer, or both?
[06:01] <elim> im compiling libdvdcss how do setup mplayer to use it?
[06:01] <elim> i compiled that too 
[06:03] <linux_mafia> elim, id just use christian marillat's packages
[06:03] <elim> u wuld but theres no one for mplayer
[06:03] <WW> tube13: Let me try that again: Did you turn on browsing in the computer to which the _printer_ is attached, the remote computer, or both?
[06:03] <linux_mafia> elim, yes there is
[06:04] <elim> not for macs there isnt
[06:04] <linux_mafia> elim, oh, heh
[06:04] <elim> :P
[06:04] <linux_mafia> elim, sorry
[06:04] <elim> so any idea?
[06:05] <Dougall> anyone know if I install the fglrx ATI gfx drivers using apt, it should overwrite or remove the corresponding Mesa libraries ?
[06:07] <linux_mafia> elim, http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de/%7Eagx/linux-ppc/debian/mplayer/
[06:07] <ondrej> Dougall: it does divert them using dpkg-divert
[06:08] <Dougall> ondrej: is there something I have to do manually, because it still seems to be loading the Mesa libs... was wondering what I was doing wrong...
[06:08] <linux_mafia> elim, those any good?
[06:08] <Dougall> I'm hardly a debian expert...
[06:08] <ondrej> Dougall: do dpkg-divert --list, it should list diversion of /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 to /usr/share/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1.2 by fglrx-driver
[06:09] <neuro|laptop> [15:42]  <linux_mafia> neuro|laptop, not a fan of forums?
[06:09] <neuro|laptop> linux_mafia: mailing lists much easier :)
[06:09] <Dougall> ondrej: and if not ?
[06:09] <linux_mafia> neuro|laptop, haha
[06:10] <ondrej> Dougall: then look in /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-driver.preinst
[06:10] <neuro|laptop> linux_mafia: no need to go online to read them for one thing
[06:10] <tube013> WW:  the remote computer is a Mandrake box, and has Browsing enabled by default.  I just turned it on on the Ubuntu box.. by laptop, restarted cups, and the printers automagically showed up
[06:10] <Dougall> ondrej: thanks... will do.
[06:10] <linux_mafia> neuro|laptop, shit, the users list is starting to get pretty busy aye
[06:11] <WW> tube13: So in the end, you have browsing enabled on both... that makes sense.
[06:12] <Dougall> ondrej: I see the diversion listed, but it's still loading the Mesa Lib...
[06:13] <Dougall> Maybe I should reinstall and try again.....
[06:13] <Dougall> heh
[06:13] <WW> Is there a GUI for configuring things like browsing in CUPS? I've been using an editor, but a GUI would be nice.
[06:14] <ondrej> Dougall: how big it is? it should be 658984 bytes if it's diverted
[06:14] <WW> ...I've been using an editor to edit cupsd.conf, that is.
[06:14] <ondrej> original is just something over 400k
[06:14] <ondrej> basicly it moves original version to /usr/share/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1.2 and places new (fglrx-driver) version to /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2
[06:15] <fin> could anyone tell me the package that contains make-kpkg ?
[06:16] <Dougall> Ondrej: that makes sense.. the one in /usr/X11R6/lib is 658984 the one in diversions is 412480
[06:17] <Dougall> does that sound right ??
[06:17] <linux_mafia> fin, kernel-package
[06:17] <fin> thank you
[06:17] <tube013> WW: yea browsing on both.  I think that browsing just lets the local machine scan for other cups servers.  I think there is another config option to allow broadcast of the local printers.  No GUI for cups server config.  I think kups from kde has a config for it, but I'm not sure, I haven't used that in a while.
[06:17] <linux_mafia> fin, and in future apt-cache search <thing>
[06:19] <WW> tube13: Thanks.  I keep doing what I've been doing.  I hoped I could find a GUI smart enough to prevent me from screwing it up :)
[06:19] <dieman> heh
[06:19] <dieman> vim is borked
[06:19] <WW> s/I keep/I'll keep/
[06:19] <dieman> lamont: you dork!
[06:21] <linux_mafia> my firefox find util works ok without me having to delete my profile, is that prob only on certain arch's?
[06:22] <ondrej> Dougall: yep, that's exactly how it should be... (try uninstalling fglrx-driver if you don't believe :-)
[06:23] <Dougall> I do believe.... just don't believe that it doesn't seem to be working... 
[06:23] <Dougall> Other than that I was quite enjoying myself..
[06:26] <ebag> does anyone here know gabe? 
[06:27] <ondrej> Dougall: try running fgl_glxgears
[06:27] <elim> hmm i dont think i want to install them i don't think judging by the description on ubuntu's site its wise
[06:28] <ondrej> Dougall: anyway, how do you know that it is not working?
[06:28] <Dougall> ondrej: slow 3d and the results of fglrxinfo
[06:29] <ondrej> Dougall: and have you changed XFree96Config to use fglrx driver?
[06:30] <linux_mafia> elim, i think they'd be fine, they're not core packages with lots of depends that will effect the infrastructure and stability of an install
[06:30] <ondrej> XF86Config of course...  or you just run fglxrconfig
[06:31] <Dougall> I ran fglxrconfig
[06:32] <elim> how do install a local ded?
[06:32] <elim> deb*
[06:32] <trukulo> sudo dpkg -i file
[06:33] <ondrej> Dougall: do lsmod | grep fglrx
[06:33] <schweeb> nice, they broke vim.
[06:34] <Dougall> Ondrej: It's loaded...
[06:34] <Dougall> I'm going to try re-installing fglrx and then reconfiguring XF Config..
[06:34] <ondrej> and your color depth is?
[06:35] <Dougall> 24 bit I think...
[06:35] <ondrej> have you looked in /var/log/XFree86.log?
[06:35] <ondrej> .0.log
[06:36] <ondrej> Dougall: there should be lot info starting with fglrx
[06:37] <Dougall> I'm rebooting currently, I'll check when it's back up.
[06:37] <Dougall> thanks for all the help btw... I feel like such a noob.
[06:38] <ondrej> Dougall: noprob.  I was fighting to get it work before...
[06:42] <Dougall> odrej: still the same thing... going through the log now. 
[06:44] <Dougall> DRI Initialization failed...
[06:45] <Dougall> hmm
[06:45] <ondrej> justdave: what, you don't like my bugreport? :-)
[06:45] <justdave> don't like the problem. :)
[06:46] <justdave> can reproduce it with several other components chosen at random, so it appears to be more widespread than that.
[06:46] <justdave> did it give you the same problem filing that bug to tell me?  (did you have to put me in manually?)
[06:46] <ondrej> no, it was fine when using Bugzilla product
[06:47] <justdave> hmm, wierd.
[06:48] <justdave> well, I gotta split or my daughter's gonna be late for a school activity...  be back in a little over an hour and I'll get it fixed asap when I'm back.  In the meantime you can just put in "debzilla" in the assigned-to field and it ought to figure it out (pick the ubuntu.com one)
[06:50] <dalderman> hey guys
[06:50] <dalderman> Is mr Zimmerman in?
[06:52] <dalderman> OK, well I have a question.  I am going to file a feature request for the alps touchpad driver patch to be added in Whoary.  It requires a kernel patch.  Should the request go into the kernel or xfree86-driver-synaptic  component?
[06:52] <dieman> im pretty sure hes a left coaster, so he might still be in groggy-morning mode.
[06:52] <dieman> like 9am there
[06:53] <dalderman> dieman, ok, fanx
[06:53] <dalderman> dieman, he is emailing the user list so I think he's up
[06:53] <dieman> he was last on at 6pm last night tho.
[06:53] <dieman> ahh
[06:53] <dieman> ok
[06:53] <dieman> yeah, hes just not watching
[06:53] <dieman> probally want to type his nick, mdz.
[06:53] <dalderman> ta
[06:53] <dieman> if hes using a client like irssi it will highlight
[06:53] <dalderman> mdz, which component should I add the feature request to?
[06:54] <dalderman> mdz, for the alps patch?
[06:54] <mdz> dalderman: 'linux'
[06:55] <dalderman> mdz, FYI it works nicely once you've fiddled the settings in XF86Config-4
[06:55] <dalderman> mdz, thanks
[06:55] <mdz> dalderman: sure, I'm just paranoid about changes to something as core and hardware-specific as the psmouse driver so late in release
[06:55] <dieman> ditto
[06:55] <mdz> it has to change the initialisation code for _all_ PS/2 mice in order to work
[06:55] <dalderman> mdz, of course. I am concerned about the lack of fb support now too, well, the lack of any text output.  Most odd.
[06:55] <mdz> and with so many different mice out there, it's impossible to predict what effect it could have
[06:56] <dalderman> mdz, of course
[06:56] <dalderman> mdz, I could have borked the kernel compile but I don't think so
[06:56] <dalderman> mdz, could it be that I'm missing a font from the build or something?
[06:56] <mdz> dalderman: did you use make-kpkg or build from the source package with apt-get source?
[06:56] <dalderman> mdz, I used make-kpkg, I don't know the other way
[06:57] <dalderman> mdz, I copied the config from /boot
[06:57] <mdz> dalderman: you used make-kpkg --initrd?
[06:57] <schweeb> make-kpkg rules.
[06:57] <dalderman> mdz, yeah. to patch I did patch -p1 < alps.patch in /usr/src/linux
[06:57] <Dougall> ondrej: if you want to know, the issue ended up that I was using the included ATI AGP support, 
[06:57] <Dougall> oopsie.. :)
[06:57] <fin> mdz:  make sure you either do --initrd or you compile in your filesystem
[06:58] <dalderman> I did the initrd thang
[06:58] <fin> i usually compile in the filesystems
[06:58] <dalderman> as that is what the existing kernel does and I didn't want to change too much
[06:58] <khwarizmi> I have a question: how can I add a custom folder to the Applications menu? (even though this is certainly GNOME-specific)
[06:59] <leorme> khwarizmi: nautilus-->applications: create directory. it should work.
[07:02] <dalderman> mdz, I have also got an external usb mouse and that still works fine with the alps patch
[07:04] <khwarizmi> leorme: thanks, the hint is working. And aprospos Nautilus, is there a way to customize the "Go to" menu, for that I don't have to type "applications:///" by hand everytime?
[07:06] <leorme> khwarizmi: in the worst case, you can make a shortcut in the desktop.
[07:07] <mako> 3B
[07:07] <ondrej> Dougall: strange it should work too (but I am using kernel version, because I think it's newer...)
[07:09] <Dougall> ondrej: not sure... it's an nforce chipset if that matters...
[07:11] <ondrej> Dougall: ahh, I think that ATI is using some older version of AGP code and support for nforce is relatively new
[07:11] <Dougall> yup, quite possibly.
[07:12] <Dougall> ondrej: but the bottom line is that it works now, so I can continue to explore... thanks for all your hrlp.
[07:12] <Falgor> jono, are you jono bacon?
[07:13] <mojo> morning every!
[07:13] <mojo> any GNOME developer?
[07:13] <mojo> I hope some developer hack the GNOME About to create a Ubuntu About
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> helloall
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> heh
[07:14] <mojo> D2 is so addicting
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> D2?
[07:22] <sladen> mojo: can you file a bug on bugzilla.ubuntu.com with priority "Enhancement"
[07:22] <sladen> mojo: what's D2?  Descent 2?
[07:30] <Falgor> doom2?
[07:30] <phlaegel> probably diable 2
[07:30] <Falgor> yeah
[07:30] <phlaegel> er, diablo
[07:30] <Falgor> doom2 is just shooting.
[07:30] <Falgor> you can actually do something in diablo. get stuff.
[07:30] <phlaegel> which *was* addictive, y'know, three years ago. ;-0
[07:30] <sladen> Doom2 was addictive *10* years ago
[07:31] <sladen> (and still is...)
[07:31] <Falgor> tribes2 is great.
[07:31] <Falgor> happily too many people dont play it.
[07:35] <dieman> dialbo is click and kill
[07:35] <gangas> hi, i got winxp set up which can display chinese-big5, when winxp got mounted, the files are not displayed properly under nautilus ....i mount them using iocharset=big5 option but doesnt work
[07:38] <jeedee> There is something wrong with the AMD64 Iso : When I install ubuntu on my friend emachines laptop using the amd64, we get all kind of errors : freezes, ect. If I install from the i386 iso, no error, no special parameters and ubuntu boots just fine. Anyone experienced?
[07:38] <peteog> is there one of those evolution web calendars for ubuntu?
[07:38] <UziMonkey> emachines?  uh-oh..
[07:39] <jeedee> I know UziMonkey, but still, it works on i386 and not on amd64
[07:39] <peteog> ah emachines - I used to work at Dixons
[07:39] <peteog> :)
[07:39] <jeedee> Same thing on my desktop, Im going to try the i386 here
[07:39] <jeedee> Grub freezes at loading stage
[07:45] <panorabix> hi
[07:50] <Xordan> Hi guys and girls
[07:50] <Dougall> Hi..
[07:51] <Xordan> could any of you tell me how to netboot please?
[07:51] <Xordan> heh :P
[07:51] <subterrific> Xordan: tried google?
[07:52] <Xordan> yes I have
[07:52] <Xordan> couldn't see anything though
[07:52] <subterrific> try again, its there. google knows all
[07:53] <Xordan> hmm right
[07:53] <subterrific> Xordan: its not an easy process i could go through right here. there are plenty of howtos written about it though
[07:54] <Xordan> ok
[07:54] <subterrific> do you have a netboot server setup?
[07:54] <Xordan> no
[07:54] <Xordan> ah, I see, it's not what I was thinking off :)
[07:54] <Xordan> *of
[07:55] <Xordan> hmm, it's just that I've downloaded it 2x and burnt about 5 CD's and I get errors every time I try to install
[07:55] <Xordan> the last one said it couldn't find the kernal-image
[07:59] <subterrific> Xordan: is this a new machine?
[07:59] <Xordan> no, had it about 6 months
[08:00] <Xordan> installed lots of other distros fine
[08:00] <subterrific> what kind of machine?
[08:01] <Xordan> Athlon64
[08:01] <subterrific> ahh
[08:01] <subterrific> well if you can get any error output from dmesg or anything, submit a bug report
[08:01] <Xordan> Could a download manager such as flashget mess up the ISO?
[08:02] <Dougall> Xordan: did you check the MD5 ?
[08:02] <Xordan> yes, it's fine
[08:02] <subterrific> then no
[08:02] <Dougall> then so should the ISO.
[08:04] <Xordan> ok, I'll stick with it :) Will get it to work somehow
[08:07] <Dougall> OK... laters taters.
[08:08] <mako> LeeColleton: hey!
[08:08] <LeeColleton> Hi mako
[08:08] <mako> LeeColleton: nice seeing you here :)
[08:09] <LeeColleton> mako: Still coding for social justice, I presume?
[08:10] <mako> LeeColleton: fighting the good fight :)
[08:10] <LeeColleton> I thought it sort of odd that the ubuntu wiki has a fighter plane at the top of the page.  Is that some kind of joke?
[08:11] <mako> LeeColleton: i think its' one of the feature moin moin themes
[08:11] <mako> LeeColleton: and i thought it was a space motif
[08:12] <Nonphasis> at least you can't blame ubuntu for a dead mailing list... i get almost 1 mail / 2 minutes
[08:12] <mako> which could be a reference to sabdfl's cosmonaut past :)
[08:12] <Nonphasis> nemsgroup would be more manageable :)
[08:12] <mako> Nonphasis: i think someone subscribed it to gmane
[08:13] <Nonphasis> gmane requires login, right?
[08:13] <mako> Nonphasis: i have no idea, but i thought it was a free service
[08:13] <mako> procmail + mutt is enough for me
[08:14] <Nonphasis> I'm using tbird... apparently it can't arrange the messages into threads
[08:14] <mako> LeeColleton: fighter planes are not very ubuntu :)
[08:14] <Nonphasis> yeah, we need BOMBER planes
[08:14] <Nonphasis> ;-)
[08:15] <LeeColleton> Peace from the barrel of a GNU
[08:15] <Nonphasis> GNUs don't kill people
[08:16] <Nonphasis> gotta try that gmane w/ gnus
[08:16] <mako> you might get something you can pass off temporarily as peace, but you won't get anything you could pass of as "ubuntu" IMHO :)
[08:17] <mako> ubuntu is a richer concept
[08:17] <punkass> ok i have a wierd issue...i do a wlist wlan0 scan and it finds the ESSID and Mac addy of the router.  but iwconfig doesnt show either of them
[08:17] <LeeColleton> is the ubuntu-linux project a more politicized version of debian?
[08:17] <mako> no..
[08:17] <Nonphasis> hah, probably less politics here
[08:18] <mako> Nonphasis: depends on teh type of politcs we're talking about :)
[08:18] <Nonphasis> case in point: apt-gettable nvidia drivers
[08:19] <mako> Nonphasis: that's a rather complex issue :)
[08:19] <Nonphasis> yeah, I can figure...
[08:19] <mako> LeeColleton: ubuntu is a derivative distro with time-based releases and a more focused scope, among other things
[08:20] <Nonphasis> I'd still like to see even more apt-gettable "suspectible" stuff like Java
[08:20] <Nonphasis> and apt-get install mplayer-compile
[08:21] <mako> LeeColleton: but many of us like the idea of ubuntu as a way of running a community, especially free software wise
[08:21] <mako> LeeColleton: it's not tied to any sort of broader political agenda on a project-wide basis or in the eyes of canonical in any way
[08:21] <mako> although i can't speak for individuals other than myself
[08:22] <mako> LeeColleton: and you know me so you probably don't need to hear me speak for myself :)
[08:22] <Nonphasis> well, at least Ubuntu is what I've always expressed I wish debian would do
[08:22] <LeeColleton> mako: what is the connection to the Canonical company?  Besides hosting, are they available for support contracts?
[08:22] <mako> LeeColleton: yes
[08:23] <bdale> I noted late last night (my time) that the i386 warty preview iso doesn't seem to comprehend USB keyboards on i386.  is that known/expected?
[08:23] <Nonphasis> and always get "it's not possible" or "it wouldn't work" or "it's open source, go ahead" ;-)
[08:23] <mako> LeeColleton: they paid all the pre-announcment development and will continue to pay people to work on it full time to make sure thigns like time-based releases work
[08:24] <Nonphasis> mako, do you have plans to get some ISVs/IHVs on board?
[08:24] <mako> LeeColleton: i am employed by canonical, for example
[08:24] <Nonphasis> mako, no need to answer if confidential :)
[08:25] <mako> Nonphasis: isv/ihv?
[08:25] <mako> bdale: i haven't tried
[08:25] <Nonphasis> mako, sofware vendors like oracle, hw like HP/IBM...
[08:25] <bdale> mako: I'll be trying in about a half hour, then.  Via SK8V motherboard with HP USB keyboard and mouse...
[08:25] <LeeColleton> bdale: I'm using a usb keyboard with warty-i386 right now.  What model is yours?
[08:26] <bdale> LeeColleton: HP tc1100 tablet PC
[08:26] <bdale> LeeColleton: could be something else is weird then?  the tc1100 uses USB to talk to the detachable keyboard, and a d-i image around the time of debconf4 worked ok.
[08:27] <mako> bdale: so it's a d-i issue, not an installed system issue?
[08:27] <brandx> i was wondering the lastest firefox build in the apt respo is that of the 1.0pr final or is that being built from source?
[08:27] <bdale> mako: I can't hit enter to continue the boot process once I get the initial prompt.  if that times out, then I can't pick a language to continue the install.
[08:28] <mako> bdale: sure. i can imagine that installing without a keyboard is, er. difficult 
[08:28] <mako> bdale: i'd ask kamion
[08:28] <bdale> mako: I "oopsed" on the tablet a while back, installing a kernel that didn't have USB keyboard support without having a backup kernel in place (yeah, my stupid)... figured it was a good machime to scortch and try an install on...
[08:28] <LeeColleton> bdale: can you hold F1 to get to the system BIOS?  sometimes legacy support for USB can be enabled there
[08:28] <bdale> (since I currently have no production dependencies on it)
[08:29] <bdale> LeeColleton: interesting question.  I'll look in a bit.
[08:30] <Mitario> heh, i hate getting to the back of my pc to let my usb pendrive auto-mount :)
[08:30] <Nonphasis> "legacy free"... bios should be the first to go ;)
[08:30] <bdale> Nonphasis: on ia64, it went... but EFI isn't exactly my idea of nirvana
[08:31] <Kosai> What's EFI?
[08:32] <bdale> Intel's "estensible firmware interface" spec ... next-gen firmware ala Intel, more or less.  think of it as DOS-in-ROM
[08:32] <maswan> Kosai: the ia64 replacement for bios, supposed to be the next generation for i386 too
[08:32] <Kosai> Ah, I see.
[08:32] <Kosai> bdale: So, something like SRM?
[08:32] <maswan> Since I come from a background of admining Suns, I would much prefer openfirmware though.
[08:32] <Kosai> That sounds neat.  The only difference I tend to notice between sparc/alpha and i386 is that the first two have sane ways of getting at a console outside of the OS.
[08:33] <bdale> sort of.  loadable device drivers, command shell, highly configurable boot manager that breaks the "boot order" concept, etc
[08:33] <jeedee> anyone had the "Could not mount cd-rom" error?
[08:33] <bdale> in Linux, you end up using 'elilo' as the boot loader and 'efibootmgr' to manipulate boot manager entries.  we worked hard to make all that be pretty invisible in Debian.
[08:34] <bdale> maswan: openfirmware is ok with me too, since I'm an old Forth hack...
[08:34] <bdale> maswan: I'm friends with some of the guys who wrote the spec and most of the interesting implementations
[08:34] <Mitario> hmm, do mounted things show up in computer://?
[08:34] <maswan> bdale: Neat. :)
[08:34] <Nonphasis> isn't linuxbios a full linux kernel in bios?
[08:35] <Nonphasis> that would rock too
[08:35] <jeedee> I mean the cd rom mounting in the install
[08:35] <jeedee> Using amd64 install grub freezes at boot, using i386 cd It can't seem to mount my install cd
[08:36] <maswan> bdale: While I'm not a forth hack, it is a system that is usable and makes sense. Haven't dealt with EFI yet though. At least not enough to have a real opinion.
[08:36] <jeedee> My friend managed to get his ubuntu running without freezing by installing from the i386 cd instead of the amd64 one
[08:36] <Mitario> ok lok, my usb pendrive and my mounted partition show up in network://
[08:37] <Mitario> lol*
[08:37] <Nonphasis> is it some kind of dynamic forth interprpter or what?
[08:37] <funkytwig> trying to get apache working, have installed apache-common but there douse not seem to be an httpd in /etc/init.d.  Have I missed something?
[08:38] <maswan> Or, right. Damn. I forgot to reinstall ravel with the install cd I burnt yesterday.
[08:40] <maswan> Mithrandir: sorry about that, didn't get around to it. hopefully next week.
[08:40] <bdale> Nonphasis: there's also a "linux as bootloader" project, which notes that if you've got to write a device driver for the kernel anyway, you might as well use it to bootstrap the machine.  the handhelds.org guys like that approach and are slowly moving that way, I think.
[08:41] <bdale> stuff like that works better when you're in embedded space and have chip docs than it does with PC-ish motherboards where the vendor has too much magic wrapped up in the BIOS
[08:44] <punkass> funkytwig: you need apache too
[08:44] <punkass> either apache or apache2
[08:45] <funkytwig> punkass:ta, will give it a go
[08:48] <LeeColleton> How do I turn on the gnome-volume-manager automatically?
[08:50] <jeld> hello all
[08:52] <bdale> fwiw, the amd64 installer is working fine with usb keyboard on my amd64 desktop
[08:52] <jeld> what is "universal" repository?
[08:53] <npmccallum> carlos: thanks for your compliment on the sounds :)
[08:53] <carlos> npmccallum: They are really funny and I love them
[08:54] <Keybuk> fascinating ... I've managed to construct a kernel that simply reboots whenever you try to boot it
[08:54] <zetor> Hello all!
[08:54] <npmccallum> carlos: funny how?
[08:54] <LeeColleton> Keybuk: a virtual machine for turning itself off
[08:54] <npmccallum> Keybuk: its a feature :)
[08:55] <Keybuk> hmm, I think I must have mis-applied a patch somewhere
[08:55] <Keybuk> probably the radeonfb one, at a guess
[08:56] <carlos> npmccallum: They integrate inside the Ubuntu origins very well
[08:57] <LeeColleton> npmccallum: what sounds?
[08:59] <AP> how do I make X start with my user without needing to type my password in gdm every time i start my computer?
[08:59] <npmccallum> carlos: thanks :)
[09:00] <npmccallum> LeeColleton: apt-get install ubuntu-sounds, its new
[09:01] <Chriffer> AP there is a timed login option in the gdm setup
[09:01] <AP> how do i get to this setup?
[09:01] <Chriffer> Computer mune, system settings, login setup
[09:01] <Chriffer> computer menu I mean
[09:02] <AP> 10x
[09:03] <jeld> AP: Computer/System Configuration/Login Screen Settings enable Automatic Login option and choose your user name in the dsrop box :)
[09:03] <bdale> amd64 box installed without incident, up to the point where it reboots ... hung after "GRUB loading, please wait..."  ... known?
[09:07] <npmccallum> bdale: do you have your cdrom in the drive?
[09:07] <bdale> power cycle didn't help
[09:07] <bdale> npmccallum: nope
[09:07] <npmccallum> bdale: I know that that has been known to occasionally cause problems
[09:08] <bdale> if it were in, the bios would have booted it in preference to the hard disk...
[09:08] <bdale> two strikes in a row.  I'm feeling snake-bit.
[09:09] <punkass> ok i have a wierd issue...i do a wlist wlan0 scan and it finds the ESSID and Mac addy of the router.  but iwconfig doesnt show either of them
[09:12] <bdale> oh, this is interesting ... the tablet's keyboard isn't working in the bios setup, either.  hrm.
[09:15] <LeeColleton> Well, it looks like plugging in and removing a usb storage device has caused mayhem with the gnome-volume-manager and the linux 2.6.8.1 i686 kernel.  Time to reboot.
[09:15] <bdale> wow.  I think I have a bad keyboard on that tablet.  since I currently have two of the tables in hand, I swapped them keyboards, and not it seems happier... proceeding to try an install.
[09:15] <bdale> bingo.
[09:19] <maswan> bdale: the amd64 grub problem seems odd, I know there used to be problems but I thought them to be fixed (in debian-amd64). also, they showed up differently
[09:19] <maswan> bdale: I'm not sure though, we run lilo on all our amd64s
[09:20] <bdale> maswan: on another disk, I'm fresh with debian amd64 sid and it's working fine
[09:20] <bdale> and I'm pretty sure that's using grub too.  checking.
[09:20] <calc> i use grub on my laptop debian amd64 and it works fine, i haven't reinstalled it lately to make sure current grub is still good though
[09:20] <maswan> bdale: Well, either something else is broken, or we can just blame Mithrandir. :)
[09:21] <maswan> The issue was only detected when you had more than 2 gigs of ram (or was it 4 gigs?)
[09:21] <bdale> yep, my main disk in this machine uses grub, and is booting fine
[09:21] <calc> maswan: can't remember
[09:21] <maswan> ok
[09:22] <calc> i only have 512mb on my laptop so i guess that would also be a reason why mine works
[09:22] <calc> i think it was 4GB but not certain
[09:22] <maswan> Well, all my amd64s have 8 gig anyway. :)
[09:23] <calc> i want a s754 k8t890pro board
[09:23] <calc> i have a spare athlon64 to stick in it already
[09:24] <maswan> I want a 32-way amd64 based on that neat Horus design or something similar. :)
[09:24] <bdale> this one has 1 gig, fwiw
[09:25] <maswan> bdale: in 5 years or so, put a computer with 256 gigabytes of ram next to it? :)
[09:26] <bdale> maswan: nah, I'll wait until the ratio is the same
[09:26] <calc> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1638795,00.asp
[09:27] <bdale> maswan: and besides, I'm pretty sure we make a machine with more ram than that today... it just won't fit on my desk.  ;-)
[09:28] <maswan> bdale: Yeah, I was just guessing that you didn't get paid quite enough for that to be cheap enough for you to convince yourself or the wife. ;)
[09:28] <bdale> calc: interesting.  very numa.
[09:28] <maswan> calc: Yeah, that's the one. The hotchips presentation on it was very informative
[09:28] <maswan> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/davewang202/newisys/HorusHotChips2004.pdf
[09:29] <mojo> ppl1
[09:30] <mojo> are there any way to mount a MDF or CloneCD img file on Linux?
[09:30] <maswan> basically, custom chip that acts like a cpu to the cHT-links to the other cpus in a 4-way node, then talks to the other horus chips to connect them together into one big memory domain
[09:32] <cardador> mojo: just had that problem :) (is it smt related to sims 2)?
[09:35] <cardador> mojo: the only way to mount it would be converting them to iso with ccd2iso
[09:35] <cardador> but it didnt work out for me
[09:35] <mojo> carador: but...if convert to iso
[09:35] <mojo> carador: I can't run the game b/c no SecureROM proctection left on ISO file
[09:36] <mojo> carador: if someone can write a GTK2 program with support IMG and MDF file, they can earn hips of money
[09:36] <cardador> have you tried running daemon tools with wine?
[09:37] <cardador> and its cardador not carador ;)
[09:37] <mojo> carador: yes, it crash due to the driver loaded in Win is different from Linux
[09:37] <michel_v> aren't .ccd just .img in disguise anyway?
[09:37] <mojo> yes
[09:38] <michel_v> then try burning the .ccd to a cdrw and then ripping it
[09:38] <mojo> sigh..Linux should have more programs if it wants to dominate the world
[09:38] <mojo> the point here is I dun have CD-RW
[09:38] <mojo> I want to play it from a ripped CloneCD image
[09:38] <michel_v> the point here is that "Linux" can't just handle the myriad stupid file formats Windows programs come up with
[09:39] <mojo> some stuff under Linux is very good but sometimes stupid stuff in Windows still beats Linux for sure
[09:39] <michel_v> not Linux programmers' fault that nobody came up with a way to handle PROPRIETARY OBFUSCATIONS OF STANDARD FILE FORMATS
[09:40] <mojo> standard is a thing that all ppl support
[09:40] <mojo> so Linux devel should foloow
[09:40] <mojo> shoudn't complain too much about that's Windows's stuff blah blah
[09:40] <michel_v> what part of "proprietary obfuscations" don't you understand?
[09:41] <mojo> I dont quite get y sometimes Linux just create non-standard stuff
[09:41] <michel_v> give an example of this
[09:41] <mojo> it makes life more confusing for normal users
[09:41] <mojo> for example
[09:41] <mojo> in Linux
[09:42] <aitrus> does anyone know if the Plextor PX-712SA (SATA) burner works in Linux (Ubuntu)?
[09:42] <mojo> they use XPM, that's Unix old stuff
[09:42] <michel_v> XPM is an open file format
[09:42] <mojo> and Windows or otherOSnot support this
[09:42] <michel_v> there are libraries available for it
[09:42] <michel_v> .ccd is not an open file format
[09:42] <mojo> it's open I think
[09:42] <mojo> lots of program emulate it
[09:43] <michel_v> it's a binary format that's only properly handled by CloneCD because only their programmers know what they put in it to obfuscate it
[09:43] <mojo> wat about Alcohol
[09:43] <mojo> or FantomCD
[09:43] <mojo> or DeamonCD
[09:43] <mojo> or other CD Emulator
[09:43] <Britt_radiofree> yo
[09:43] <mojo> they emulate that file very good
[09:43] <michel_v> Alcohol 120% has the nasty habit of creating non standard iso files, too
[09:43] <mojo> so y u said it's not open
[09:43] <mojo> true
[09:44] <calc> mojo: where is the spec for the ccd image format?
[09:44] <michel_v> mojo: if they can't stick to specs, then they just create bad files
[09:44] <mojo> then
[09:44] <mojo> I think
[09:44] <mojo> some1 must work out a way
[09:44] <michel_v> must?
[09:44] <calc> mojo: if someone cares to, ccd is primarily used for pirating windoze games, not many developers care to help that along apparently
[09:44] <mojo> to convert MDF file to another format that alsp support Multi-sesssion and some special protection
[09:45] <michel_v> mojo: become that someone
[09:45] <michel_v> or fund some developers to get that support
[09:45] <mojo> I wish, I only have exp on Java, I dun know any C or C++
[09:46] <mojo> and u know Java damm well that I can't do such thing like C does
[09:46] <michel_v> nobody is going to come up with a free solution to help warez users play bad rips created on bad windows software
[09:46] <michel_v> "just because"
[09:47] <michel_v> you could easily code conversion stuff in Java
[09:47] <mojo> ...maybe..but if a company have a solution to rip 100% clone of a CD game onLinux then they will earn money like WineX did!
[09:47] <mojo> anyway
[09:47] <mojo> I think will fund CDEmu group
[09:47] <mojo> they're only hope left
[09:48] <mojo> I think I will spend more time with GTK, I hope I can write a GNOME applet for CDEmu around next year
[09:48] <calc> mojo: why would they? wouldn't the pirates just pirate the copier program, like people do for clonecd on windoze?
[09:49] <mojo> heh! then u charge them in the way of Transgaming
[09:49] <mojo> u have to subsribe to do it
[09:49] <mojo> or..you have to register online
[09:49] <mojo> or using FlexLM
[09:49] <mojo> u can create a key for registered user
[09:49] <mojo> this key is saved as a file
[09:50] <freakyc> can anyone help me get Nvidia drivers working with AMD64, please?
[09:50] <mojo> and if there is a duplication detected
[09:50] <mojo> then that account will be banned
[09:51] <calc> this is getting really OT so i am going to shutup ;)
[09:53] <jeld> I have a question, I have a FAT32 removable storage device. How do I make HAL mount it with iocharset=utf8 ?
[09:54] <bdale> install complete and I'm staring at a working desktop on the tc1100 tablet now that it has a working keyboard (and I'm on the phone with HP service getting a replacement keyboard sent right now)
[09:57] <jeld> sorry, figured it out
[10:14] <justdave> ok, font size looks normal on Bugzilla now....
[10:14] <justdave> except that the "large text" button actually makes it smaller :)
[10:14] <aitrus> thanks dave
[10:17] <fin> are there any disc with the i386 packages on them?  like iso's?  the pc im installing it on doesnt have inet
[10:19] <cardador> i have a question: i installed a program, then it went to "Other" on "Applications". After removing that program, the "Other" menu did not disappear. Is it a bug?
[10:19] <michel_v> fin: you can order cds
[10:19] <fin> ah yes, very true
[10:19] <fin> i suppose i'll do my part and support :)
[10:19] <michel_v> fin: they'll ship when there's an actual release though, which is likely to happen towards the end of cotber
[10:19] <michel_v> october, even
[10:19] <fin> lol
[10:19] <fin> nice mixup
[10:20] <fin> you think the kdrive xserver would make much of a speed diffrence over the current xf86 on a k6-2 300?
[10:21] <tseng> fin: er
[10:21] <mdz> michel_v: october 13th is the target
[10:22] <tseng> i last used kdrive many months ago, but it used a framebuffer driver
[10:22] <tseng> very slow compared to even unaccellerated xfree drivers
[10:22] <fin> ah
[10:22] <fin> ok ok
[10:22] <fin> just wondering :)
[10:22] <tseng> there are supposed to be some real drivers now
[10:22] <fin> man i just got my ess1877 sound working, talk about a PITA!
[10:22] <tseng> mostly for ati.
[10:23] <fin> ya, this lappy has a neomagic card
[10:23] <fin> im waiting on my router and wifi card right now so i can get some real work on it going
[10:23] <fin> right now i have it compiling a kernel...
[10:23] <_axel> hmm, i cant even seem to find any RAR file unpacker, not even in universe
[10:24] <_axel> anyone know of any available in ubuntu?
[10:26] <crimsun> _axel: i don't see any in universe
[10:26] <cardador> _axel: a just downloaded it from a debian mirror
[10:26] <cardador> I just*
[10:26] <bskahan> what does ubuntu use for root access in Gnome, gtksu?
[10:27] <Keybuk> gksudo
[10:27] <bskahan> Keybuk: thanks
[10:28] <humanx> does anyone have this bug (cannot open root application) Failed to run time-admin as user root:
[10:28] <humanx>  Child terminated with 1 status
[10:29] <bskahan> humanx: are you using your right password with the first user on the box
[10:29] <humanx> yes
[10:29] <bskahan> funny thing, I was asking about what program that was because the error dialog sucks
[10:29] <humanx> it does that with almost all programs who needs roots access
[10:30] <bskahan> it only does that here if I mistype the password
[10:30] <bskahan> sorry I can't be more helpful
[10:30] <humanx> k thx
[10:32] <hawke> Hello all...having some trouble installing ubuntu on a Blue&White G3, can anyone help?
[10:35] <mako> hawke: i don't have one but i'll give it a shot
[10:36] <mako> hawke: what sort of problem are you having
[10:36] <hawke> yaboot installs, it gives me the menu, it starts booting...
[10:36] <hawke> ...and then complains that it can't find /dev/console
[10:36] <hawke> (after 3 lines of boot messages)
[10:37] <hawke> Just retrying again in expert mode..
[10:37] <hawke> er, finishing the retry that is.
[10:37] <mxpxpod> lamont: around?
[10:38] <hawke> "Starting Ubuntu...
[10:38] <hawke> pivot_root: No such file or dir
[10:38] <hawke>  /sbin/init: 424: cannot open dev/console: No such file
[10:39] <hawke> Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!
[10:39] <hawke> an' that's it.
[10:41] <hawke> And the installer doesn't find my bmac ethernet, but I can get around that. :-)
[10:41] <punkass> ok i have a wierd issue...i do a wlist wlan0 scan and it finds the ESSID and Mac addy of the router.  but iwconfig doesnt show either of them
[10:42] <hawke> Trying to zero the whole disc, and see what that does.
[10:55] <mako> hawke: yeah, sorry. i don't really know
[10:59] <hawke> mako: No problem, I kinda figured it would not be a quick fix.
[10:59] <hawke> more like a "next version" thing, I suppose. :-/
[11:05] <Xordan> The amd64 iso on the UK server is different to the one on the US server
[11:06] <Xordan> and the one on the UK server doesn't work
[11:08] <Mithrandir> maswan: np, ok. :)
[11:09] <sidney> can anybody tell me how to disable the tapping on my touchpad?
[11:09] <sidney> its really annoying sometimes
[11:15] <hawke> Xordan: I can't download the amd64 iso via bittorrent
[11:16] <Xordan> me neither
[11:16] <hawke> wonder if that's related.
[11:16] <Xordan> dl'ing of the italy server now
[11:16] <Xordan> prehaps
[11:16] <hawke> e.g. some undocumented change to the file, and the seeds weren't updated?
[11:17] <Xordan> hmm
[11:17] <Xordan> I think the Uk servers is corrupt, as it gives me install errors
[11:17] <Xordan> and the torrent on there probably points to that one, which nobody has
[11:19] <Keybuk> bdale: what kernel are you running on your laptop these days?
[11:19] <fin> im compiling the ck8 kernel right now for mine
[11:20] <mako> hawke: i would hold of on that judgetment
[11:21] <hawke> mako: Not a judgement, just speculation.
[11:21] <mako> hawke: wait until someone who does ppc comes back with that
[11:21] <fin> how do i tell grub to set a schedualer?
[11:21] <fin> schedualer=cfq?
[11:21] <fin> i suppose if i spelled it right.....
[11:22] <crimsun> elevator="as"|"cfq"|"deadline"|"noop"
[11:22] <crimsun> See Documentation/as-iosched.txt for details
[11:22] <fin> which would you say is the best for a desktop?
[11:23] <crimsun> i've used "as" just fine for quite long
[11:24] <michel_v> cfq is cool
[11:24] <crimsun> i've never used "cfq" so i can't comment
[11:24] <fin> ya im compiling ck8 in right now
[11:24] <fin> supposed to have some nice cfq options
[11:29] <chapeaurouge> anyone tried to compile the bcm4400 driver?
[11:34] <AP> weird, the hardware auto mounter stopped working...
[11:46] <hawke> Heh, completely wiping the drive didn't help either.  Amazingly.
[11:51] <LeeColleton> hawke: I haven't really been following what you're saying, but when I was installing Ubuntu on my X30 thinkpad it somehow locked up the ethernet controller until I completely shutdown and restarted.  This happened on install and twice subsequently during operation.  Did you turn your machine all the way off?
[11:55] <jomohke_> Awake yet, jdub?
[11:55] <jomohke_> Anyone else from sydney that may be able to help?
[11:56] <aes> boo
[11:56] <tvon> I'm having a sound issue on my fresh desktop install.  It seems my bttv card is getting setup as sound card 0, and my sound card is getting setup as sound card 1
[11:56] <aes> sorry, wrong channel
[11:56] <tvon> so, /dev/dsp = bttv card and /dev/dsp1 = sound card
[11:56] <tvon> however everything seems to want to use /dev/dsp
[11:56] <tvon> wich sucks
[11:57] <aes> one nice trick is to run gstreamer-properties
[11:58] <aes> That affects everything using gstreamer, like totem, rhythmbox, etc.
[11:58] <tvon> gstreamer-properties cant produce any sound
[11:58] <bdale> Keybuk: on the nc4000?
[11:58] <bdale> Keybuk: locally-built 2.6.8.1
[11:59] <aes> tvon: if you set it to custom and type "osssink device=/dev/dsp1" ?
[11:59] <tvon> aes: thanks, that works :)
[11:59] <aes> cool :)
[11:59] <tvon> though, enemy territory still wants /dev/dsp
[12:00] <tvon> but tehres an option there somewheres...