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jdub | mdz: heh, irssi-text -> glib2.0 ;-) | 04:10 |
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mdz | jdub: dude, glib1.2 is gone from desktop now | 04:17 |
jdub | that is so rad | 04:17 |
jdub | also, i did not build the glib1.2 support in polypaudio | 04:17 |
jdub | we will kill it | 04:17 |
jdub | and esound | 04:17 |
mdz | it's a long way from being kicked out of main though | 04:17 |
mdz | lots of gtk1.2 apps in supported | 04:17 |
jdub | yeah | 04:18 |
jdub | what about that bongy accounting package? ;) | 04:18 |
mdz | the one that you spazzed over, while all this other ancient cruft goes in supported? :-P | 04:18 |
jdub | heh | 04:18 |
mdz | installed from universe and working fine, thankyouverymuch | 04:19 |
jdub | that's good | 04:19 |
mdz | needed a gal upload to get it building | 04:19 |
jdub | no fixes required? | 04:19 |
jdub | aha | 04:19 |
jdub | okay, so | 04:19 |
jdub | i want to write a little script | 04:19 |
jdub | that tells me which of my packages are universey | 04:19 |
mdz | it's sort of a hacky thing to want to do | 04:21 |
mdz | because there's no record of where stuff came from | 04:21 |
mdz | all you can do is compare it to where the packages are in the archive now | 04:22 |
mdz | that's basically what apt-show-versions does | 04:22 |
mdz | which should be in universe | 04:22 |
jdub | -> /var/lib/apt/lists/*universe*_Packages ;-) | 04:22 |
jdub | (awk '/^Package:/ { print $2 }' /var/lib/apt/lists/*warty_universe*Packages ; dpkg --get-selections | awk '{ print $1 }') | sort | uniq -d | 04:24 |
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jdub | haha | 04:26 |
mdz | apt-cache dumpavail | grep-dctrl -nsPackage -FSection universe | 04:26 |
jdub | grep-dctrl is not installed by default ;) | 04:26 |
mdz | comm -12 <(apt-cache dumpavail | grep-dctrl -nsPackage -FSection universe/ |sort) <(dpkg --get-selections | cut -f1 |sort) | 04:27 |
mdz | grep-dctrl is in supported, and is the right tool for the job :-P | 04:27 |
mdz | 28 packages here | 04:28 |
jdub | 47 8) | 04:29 |
mdz | a bunch of them from gnucash | 04:29 |
mdz | and a handful from grepmail | 04:29 |
mdz | dict is showing up in there for now :-) | 04:29 |
mdz | that'll go away | 04:29 |
mdz | debian-policy is in universe :-) | 04:29 |
mdz | that's almost blasphemous | 04:29 |
jdub | whoa | 04:30 |
mdz | hmm, i had some random libgnome-vfs crap installed that I didn't need, probably bbuild-deps of something | 04:30 |
mdz | down to 27 now | 04:30 |
jdub | man | 04:30 |
jdub | firefox doesn't start :| | 04:30 |
jdub | if i move away my .firefox, it's fine | 04:30 |
mdz | 2 of them are already slated to move into main | 04:30 |
lamont | mdz: hadn't seen the 'will approve bind9 sync' before - thanks for requesting it | 04:31 |
mdz | lamont: I went ahead and fixed vim as well, since it was breaking all sorts of things (including the base install) | 04:32 |
lamont | yeah - was just reading that bug report, see the change. thanks. | 04:33 |
lamont | ran out of time last night before getting exactly the plan in my head. Bad timing that. | 04:34 |
mdz | lamont: regarding oo.o, Sep 24 13:09:47 <elmo> it's an archive problem anyway, I'll fix in a sec | 04:34 |
lamont | oo dictionaries: archive. oo/ppc: log file too big for mailer. | 04:35 |
mdz | hmm, come to think of it, it's been 6 hours. I should probably mail elmo | 04:35 |
mdz | oh, you just did with the bugzilla comment | 04:35 |
lamont | oo.o is there for i386 | 04:35 |
lamont | yep | 04:35 |
mdz | lamont: I meant oo.o-dictionaries | 04:35 |
mdz | oo.o was uploaded today, and also oo.o-dictionaries was supposed to move into main | 04:36 |
lamont | oo.o/ppc binaries uploaded | 04:36 |
lamont | I think I may just bump things up on the buildds to handle the larger log files, now.. | 04:36 |
lamont | was already done most everywhere. even easier. :-) | 04:39 |
lamont | the next OO.o (or other huge-logged) upload shouldn't stall for mail bouncing. | 04:39 |
lamont | mdz: 1711 et al. | 04:46 |
lamont | there are a growing list of bugs that make me wonder exactly when postfix is getting configured... | 04:47 |
lamont | because root mail goes to uid 1000 if it exists (and there isn't an alias for root yet)... Hence 1711 is, um, worrysome... | 04:47 |
lamont | but I'm not going to think too hard about it this weekend.. :-( | 04:48 |
mdz | lamont: I assume postfix is getting configured from debootstrap | 04:51 |
mdz | because it's part of base | 04:51 |
mdz | this is why Debian runs MTA configuration from base-config | 04:51 |
mdz | we probably need to do the same, but noninteractive | 04:51 |
lamont | that would be fine. | 04:52 |
lamont | didn't we do that at one point, and it got ripped out? | 04:52 |
lamont | or was that because it was interactive? | 04:52 |
lamont | because configuring it from base-config (even noninteractive) is the only way I can see to solve 1711. Well, short of having the init.d code detect first-start-with-userid-1000-present, and dtrt then.. (which would probably violate policy in 16 diff ways...) | 04:55 |
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tseng | who wants to talk mono in universe | 05:00 |
lamont | eh? | 05:01 |
tseng | jdub said you were k-rad and could help me in my mission of mono -> universe love | 05:02 |
tseng | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates has some details. | 05:02 |
=== lamont reads | ||
lamont | are the source packages we care about in warty source already? or do they need to be sync'ed? | 05:04 |
tseng | i worked off of sid because the stuff in warty (bins) were broken | 05:05 |
tseng | i could check out building from warty source | 05:05 |
lamont | if the sid stuff builds, and you can get mdz/jdub to approve sync'ing sid, then I can bootstrap it in the archive | 05:05 |
lamont | likewise, if warty sources build, and just need to be appropriately beaten^Wbootstrapped, then I can do that as well. | 05:06 |
jdub | i approve of syncing sid | 05:06 |
jdub | much more useful than current warty universe versions | 05:06 |
lamont | works for me... and it's easier to bootstrap from current sid, than old sid... | 05:07 |
tseng | sorry i didnt make a source pkg with the monodevelop patch | 05:07 |
tseng | im still figuring out debian packaging, there seem to be 10 ways to do any given task | 05:08 |
lamont | bootstrapping isn't so bad.... It's more work when you don't have a pre-bootstrapped-on-the-right-arch set of debs.. :) | 05:08 |
tseng | i built everything by a combination of apt-get source -b and dpkg-buildpkg | 05:09 |
tseng | probably did everything the hardway, but barring a few bumps the stuff builds against warty main universe | 05:09 |
lamont | right. Is it just a matter of building in the right order (and just source is needed), or do I need some build-dep binaries installed at the right magicpoints? | 05:10 |
tseng | only major failures i recalls are monodevelop (patch on the wiki) and muine | 05:10 |
tseng | muine wants mono-mint seemingly as a build dep | 05:10 |
tseng | but my x86 build didnt produce such a thing | 05:10 |
lamont | declared already, or needs to? | 05:11 |
tseng | its my understanding its only needed on amd64 | 05:11 |
lamont | build-deps can be arch-specific | 05:11 |
tseng | it doesnt need it on x86... the dep is more accurately ( mono-mint || mono-jit _ | 05:11 |
tseng | *) | 05:11 |
lamont | buildd only uses the first one... | 05:11 |
lamont | mono-jit [!amd64] , mono-mint [amd64] , I think | 05:12 |
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tseng | i dont see mono-mint in the control file | 05:12 |
lamont | yeah - not too bad to fix, though. | 05:13 |
lamont | jdub: do you need tseng/me to propose the sync so you can approve it, or could you send the email? | 05:13 |
lamont | grumble. www.anywho.com crashes firefox | 05:15 |
lamont | Segmentation fault, it says | 05:16 |
tseng | worksforme | 05:16 |
lamont | 0.99+1.0PR-0ubuntu1 | 05:16 |
tseng | 0.99+1.0PR-0ubuntu3 | 05:17 |
lamont | yeah | 05:17 |
tseng | yay you fixed vim. | 05:18 |
jdub | tseng: could you mail mdz/myself and lamont? | 05:18 |
tseng | yes I can | 05:19 |
tseng | uh oh not from gentoo.org | 05:19 |
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lamont | tseng: mdz fixed vim. | 05:19 |
tseng | jdub: what am I mailing you? | 05:20 |
lamont | that firefox works better. | 05:22 |
tseng | oh I thought about mono. | 05:22 |
tseng | some secret proceedure about syncing sid | 05:23 |
jdub | tseng: request for sync of packages (please lsit) | 05:24 |
tseng | {jeff.waugh,lamont.jones,matt.zimmerman}@cannonical.com, yes? | 05:24 |
lamont | should work | 05:26 |
tseng | im leaving f-spot off the list | 05:27 |
tseng | it doesnt work very well for me | 05:27 |
tseng | oops i used the wrong addy after all | 05:29 |
tseng | sent. | 05:29 |
lamont | tseng: given timezones and such, it'll probably be monday before I do any handholding | 05:38 |
jdub | tseng: oh! you packaged tomboy | 05:38 |
tseng | jdub: hmm kinda | 05:38 |
tseng | i seem to remember reading that dpkg figures out the runtime deps | 05:39 |
tseng | but it doesnt seem to pull in the newer libgtkspell | 05:39 |
tseng | if i install that by hand the pkg works ok | 05:39 |
tseng | i just managed to mess it up somewhere | 05:39 |
jdub | hmm | 05:40 |
jdub | tomboy doesn't seem to use gtkspell | 05:41 |
tseng | ./configure disagrees | 05:42 |
jdub | tseng: ahr, you need to put source up in your archive :) | 05:43 |
tseng | i could do that | 05:44 |
tseng | just slap the files in the same dir? | 05:47 |
jdub | yeah | 05:48 |
jdub | and run dpkg-scansources | 05:48 |
tseng | sure | 05:49 |
jdub | like scan-packages | 05:49 |
tseng | 2 mins | 05:51 |
tseng | that should do it. | 05:56 |
jdub | ahar, rocking :) | 06:07 |
tseng | jdub: sorry.. working now | 06:07 |
tseng | i r dumb. | 06:07 |
jdub | heh | 06:08 |
jdub | tseng: why is libgtkspell-dev in your archive, btw? | 06:13 |
tseng | tomboy seemed pretty adament about wanting the newer lib | 06:13 |
jdub | ah, tomboy needs > 2.0.6, we only have 2.0.5 | 06:13 |
tseng | configure checks >=2.0.6 | 06:14 |
tseng | ya. | 06:14 |
jdub | so it actually works with 2.0.5 | 06:15 |
jdub | but >= 2.0.6 does pango underlines | 06:15 |
tseng | ah | 06:16 |
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jdub | that's really something that should be updated. | 06:16 |
tseng | seems pretty simple | 06:16 |
tseng | and/or didnt make anything explode | 06:16 |
jdub | mmm | 06:17 |
jdub | bit frivolous though | 06:17 |
jdub | tseng: you need to add mono-mcs to the build depends | 06:17 |
tseng | sure. | 06:17 |
jdub | i have the sneaking suspicion... | 06:19 |
tseng | added mono-mcs | 06:20 |
tseng | and broke the repo again. | 06:20 |
jdub | [DllImport ("libgtkspell.so.0")] | 06:20 |
tseng | :P | 06:20 |
jdub | ^ dynamically loads gtkspell | 06:20 |
jdub | so you should add the binary name to the Depends line | 06:21 |
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jdub | night lamont :) | 06:22 |
tseng | cya. | 06:22 |
tseng | add gtkspell? | 06:24 |
jdub | Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, libgtkspell0 (>= 2.0.5) | 06:24 |
tseng | hmm sure | 06:24 |
tseng | jdub: getting late this side of the pond, ill catch you another day | 06:30 |
jdub | 'night! | 06:31 |
tseng | that package should suck less now | 06:31 |
jdub | tseng: i'll send a debian dir tarball for some hints :) | 06:31 |
tseng | hmm ok :) | 06:32 |
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daniels | mdz, jdub: xresprobe 0.4.9 (with interdiff) on http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xresprobe; all it does is re-add some monitor frequency detection code that was lost when we got detailed timings. ok for warty? | 09:59 |
Kamion | lamont: we removed postfix from base-config for reasons that I am and was convinced are specious; if there's a good reason for me to put it back, please hand me the ammunition :) | 10:00 |
jdub | yo Kamion | 10:01 |
jdub | Kamion: how's the d-i wiggling going? | 10:01 |
Kamion | pretty well, productive so far | 10:01 |
jdub | daniels: approvedf | 10:02 |
jdub | Mithrandir: someone posted about dm-crypt devices and hal on hal-list just recently | 10:03 |
daniels | jdub: thanks | 10:07 |
Mithrandir | Roar: jdub got an URL? :) | 10:08 |
jdub | um | 10:13 |
jdub | not in my mail client ;) | 10:13 |
jdub | Subject: Device mapper interface and HAL | 10:13 |
jdub | it's hosted on freedesktop.org | 10:13 |
mdz | daniels: approved | 10:38 |
Mithrandir | jdub: yeah, looks interesting | 10:39 |
mdz | Kamion: that issue with stuff appearing in base was vim, I think (in which case it's fixed now) | 10:39 |
mdz | I tested debootstrap anyway | 10:39 |
Mithrandir | Kamion: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1545 -- mrvn has answered now, and I think his answer makes sense. | 10:43 |
Kamion | mdz: ok | 10:44 |
Kamion | mdz: yes, that would explain it | 10:44 |
Kamion | Mithrandir: yeah, I talked to him last night and he convinced me it was OK | 10:44 |
mdz | daniels: #1153 has returned to you for more love | 10:45 |
Mithrandir | Kamion: ok, I'll make up a new package and get it approved, then. | 10:46 |
Kamion | mklibs HURTS my BRAIN | 10:46 |
daniels | mdz: saw that bouncing back. was thinking of a test to see if ppp_on_boot points to ppp_on_boot.dsl; if it does, and the latter doesn't exist, force a change? | 10:49 |
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Mithrandir | mdz: 1545 ; http://raw.no/patches/grub_0.95+cvs20040624-3ubuntu16_2gb_limit.diff ; permission to upload? This is in the pure64 archive already, so it has been fairly well tested. (Will add bug # reference) | 11:10 |
mdz | Mithrandir: yes | 11:10 |
Mithrandir | thanks a lot | 11:10 |
mdz | and now to bed | 11:11 |
Mithrandir | sleep tight | 11:12 |
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Mithrandir | yay, down to zaroo bugz for me. | 11:30 |
Mithrandir | that mean I can do something else for a few hours. | 11:30 |
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seb128 | morning | 12:45 |
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tseng | monodevelop-0.5.1 fixed the bug | 03:27 |
tseng | im build debs + src for that. | 03:27 |
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tseng | guys, is there a command that turns in patch into a dpatch? monodevelop has patches wrapped in a bit of bash | 03:49 |
tseng | ah there it is. | 03:50 |
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daniels | tseng: rad :) | 05:04 |
tseng | daniels: i lied, i just added the patch to 0.5 instead | 05:06 |
daniels | either way | 05:07 |
tseng | im out for the day, catch you cool cats later. | 05:12 |
daniels | seeya dude | 05:13 |
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lamont | linux-source/i386 is still building | 05:23 |
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thom | hrm, what happened about new dbus/hal? | 05:59 |
daniels | thom: what about it? | 06:00 |
daniels | do we need new Ubuntu packages? | 06:00 |
thom | i believe seb/pitti were looking at bringing the new ones across | 06:01 |
daniels | what for? | 06:01 |
seb128 | pitti has hal 0.2.98 and dbus uptodate + gvm packages ready afaik | 06:01 |
seb128 | daniels: devices locking | 06:01 |
daniels | ah ok | 06:02 |
daniels | i was going to say, I'm probably decently qualified to do them if they need doing ;) | 06:02 |
seb128 | daniels: BTW, sjoerd is waiting for you and dbus to upload new hal/gvm in debian :) | 06:02 |
daniels | seb128: yeah, I just spoke to him then and asked him to NMU | 06:03 |
daniels | what with me not having a pure Debian machine and all | 06:03 |
seb128 | ok | 06:03 |
seb128 | you guys should do a packaging team for utopia stuff | 06:03 |
daniels | yeah, it's been floated | 06:04 |
daniels | I told Sjoerd to not hesitate to prepare NMUs and to just anity-check them past us if he felt it necessary | 06:05 |
daniels | since I won't have a Debian chroot for a couple of weeks yet | 06:05 |
Kamion | seb128: hypothetically, what would you think about adding the directfb patch to the Debian gtk+2.0 package? | 06:08 |
Kamion | um, wrong channel I guess, I'm really thinking about it for Debian | 06:09 |
seb128 | I've not looked on it, but could be nice | 06:10 |
Kamion | I'm trying to get the d-i gtk frontend up and running here; the gtk+2.0-directfb package turns out to be a dodgy and rather broken fork of gtk+2.0 2.0.9 or so which needs to die a horrible screaming death | 06:11 |
Kamion | it screws about with library paths in a way that makes it pretty much impossible to build d-i against it | 06:11 |
Kamion | although the gtk-directfb ported to gtk 2.4 requires, er, directfb from CVS | 06:12 |
seb128 | have you looked on kov's thread about the d-i gtk+ frontend: http://lists.debian.org/debian-gtk-gnome/2004/06/msg00315.html ? | 06:13 |
seb128 | dunno how much he has played with it, apparently he didn't have a lot of free time during the last months, but could be nice to ping him. He probably has some idea on this | 06:14 |
Kamion | I haven't, but we appear to have got about the same distance in slightly different directions | 06:15 |
Kamion | I suspect I've got a lot further with cdebconf-gtk than he has, he's got further with the build | 06:16 |
Kamion | however as far as I can tell he hasn't actually checked in any changes :( | 06:16 |
Kamion | which makes it hard to cooperate ... | 06:16 |
seb128 | I think he was trying to get some results before getting further | 06:17 |
Kamion | well, certainly there's not much point trying to improve the UI before having seen it :) | 06:18 |
Kamion | one of the problems that graphical d-i has is that nobody checks anything in though ... gtk.c hasn't been touched since March and spectacularly failed to pass even cdebconf's rudimentary tests | 06:19 |
seb128 | yes, but that's because nobody is really working on it | 06:20 |
seb128 | kov was the only guy interested for the moment apparently | 06:21 |
Kamion | well, true, most serious d-i people have been working on more urgent things | 06:21 |
Kamion | occasionally one person gets interested, works on it for a while, gets bored and goes off to do other things, and then never checks in what he's done so the next person starts over | 06:22 |
seb128 | perhaps we should open an alioth project on alioth on something for the d-i frontend | 06:22 |
seb128 | and try to get some people interested | 06:22 |
seb128 | where is the current tree ? Who is allowed to commit changes (ie: kov can commit ?) ? | 06:23 |
Kamion | you don't need an alioth project, it's in d-i | 06:23 |
Kamion | any d-i developer | 06:23 |
seb128 | yes, but the problem is that we probably don't want anybody able to commit in the d-i tree | 06:23 |
Kamion | all the changes *really* should go in d-i | 06:24 |
Kamion | lots of people already have commit access | 06:24 |
seb128 | ok | 06:24 |
Kamion | d-i is watched pretty closely too | 06:24 |
seb128 | kov is not here for the moment, but we should talk about this with him when he'll be here | 06:24 |
Kamion | well, I'll continue with what I'm doing for the moment; I'm on a roll :) | 06:25 |
seb128 | ok | 06:25 |
Kamion | I'm sure it won't be too hard to merge | 06:25 |
seb128 | afaik kov has not made big changes, so it should be easy | 06:26 |
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Enyo | Hello | 06:54 |
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doko | do we have somewhere a list of supported languages for warty? or better: which should be supported? | 08:00 |
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mdz | lamont: flushing old mail? | 08:38 |
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mdz | elmo: openoffice.org-dictionaries? | 09:32 |
doko | mdz: did the spell checking mail arrive on the list? | 09:40 |
npmccallum | Mithrandir: did you see Matthias's post to ubuntu-devel yet? | 09:42 |
mdz | doko: yes, I am replying | 09:42 |
Mithrandir | npmccallum: no, sorry, been hacking ARM cross compilers all day, will go read. | 09:43 |
npmccallum | Mithrandir: its all the spell checking stuff | 09:43 |
npmccallum | mdz: I thought openoffice.org-dictionaries was in warty... | 09:44 |
npmccallum | mdz: nevermind, it was thesaurus that I was thinking of | 09:46 |
thom | mdz: are you still having problems with your scrollwheel in firefox? | 09:49 |
mdz | thom: not today, no | 09:53 |
mdz | thom: is there reason to believe it may have been fixed? | 09:53 |
thom | not that i'm aware of, but i can't duplicate it on amd64 or x86 | 09:54 |
thom | mdz: did you keep your old profile? | 09:56 |
thom | it could be related to that | 09:56 |
mdz | thom: I didn't destroy my profile | 09:56 |
mdz | I think it was happening to daniels | 09:56 |
mdz | I think the problems preceded your "fix it harder" upload | 09:56 |
thom | heh | 09:57 |
thom | they're quite possibly fixed in -0ubuntu3, but moz seems to be very sensitive about profile destruction :/ | 09:58 |
sivang | do we install ppp from base-config? | 09:58 |
sivang | oh it's on the installer seed. guess it's enough for users with dial in broadband | 10:00 |
thom | oh. so, i'm getting a via mainboard for my amd64, and sata. just to give the installer a stretch :-) | 10:03 |
mdz | sata seems to be a source of strange problems | 10:12 |
thom | yeah, it should be an interesting adventure | 10:12 |
thom | my main install will stay on pata for the time being tho :-) | 10:12 |
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lamont | mdz: didn't think I was... am i? | 11:49 |
mdz | lamont: just got mail from you dated Sep 14 | 11:50 |
mdz | lamont: ahh, you sent it to debian.org | 11:50 |
mdz | and debian.org mail has been fucked | 11:50 |
lamont | that must be it - was getting some myself, wondered why... | 11:50 |
thom | mdz: doogie just fixed master, so it could be old debian mail | 11:50 |
lamont | so who must I convince to get the non-interactive config run of postfix into base-config? | 11:51 |
Kamion | lamont: please remind me when I'm IN THE RIGHT COUNTRY :-) | 11:51 |
Kamion | lamont: I will do it, but probably not from here | 11:51 |
thom | i got mail from Joey dated from the 15th about a security upload *sigh* | 11:51 |
lamont | Kamion: wasn't meant to pester you, was looking for more ammo to give you... | 11:51 |
Kamion | lamont: ah | 11:51 |
Kamion | lamont: setting up /etc/aliases properly is sufficient ammunition for me | 11:52 |
lamont | thanks | 11:52 |
Kamion | lamont: as far as I can tell it'll fix that bug ... | 11:52 |
Kamion | ? | 11:52 |
lamont | yes | 11:52 |
Kamion | good-oh, will restore it then | 11:52 |
mdz | Kamion: what are we going to do about that debootstrapped-packages-with-debconf-questions issue? | 11:52 |
lamont | dpkg-reconfigure postfix after uid1000 is added will kill that bug | 11:52 |
mdz | Kamion: (#1388) | 11:52 |
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