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tvonaes: some sort of advanced pipeline setup would be neato, though in most cases you shouldnt need it12:00
bdalelamont: no frozen bubble in the default load?  ;-)12:00
aestvon: I'd really prefer a drop down box where you could just choose your sound card by real name. I think there's something in the works for gnome 2.10 actually.12:00
eazel7hi hawke12:01
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xcasexquestion is the initrd problem known on i386 and ppc?12:01
tvonaes: I do wish I didnt have to screw with alsa or oss or whatever else there is.  Mostly things have worked out of the box for me lately though, with the exceptio of this bttv/alsa problem12:02
tvonaes: and its true an average user shouldnt have to know/care what alsa/oss/esd are12:02
tvonso, I agree with you :)12:03
xcasexthe installer errors out when installing initrd-tools 12:03
aes<nod> :)12:03
hawkeLeeColleton: It's a blue&white g3, not a PC...and it finds the ethernet fine when I load the module manually ('modprobe bmac') or in expert mode.  It just doesn't find it without that help.12:06
punkasssanyone know if u can block select something in gedit?12:11
xcasexokay, anyone with a gui running that can check the -devel/-user lists for info pertaining to my .. problem?12:12
hawkepunkasss: "block select"?12:13
punkassshawke: like selecting vertical without selecting the whole line12:13
punkasssjust a section of it12:13
punkassscomes in very handy sometimes12:13
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[Fry] The updates of ubuntu main, are free of bugs? are the change to the next release bit a bit?, te security packages, are for CD packages, for main source, for restricted source?12:16
[Fry] sorry my bad english :-)12:16
punkasssgedit...looks very promising...there are still a few more features it could have...12:16
Keybukthom: ping?12:16
punkasssin windows i use Editplus...and it does almost everything i need12:16
tbone[Fry] : no, they aren't necessarily bug free and yes they are getting ready for the release next month of warty12:17
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Keybuk~$ mozilla-firefox12:17
Keybukselected locale: en-US12:17
Keybuk*** nsExtensionManager::_disableObsoleteExtensions - failure, catching exception so finalize window can close12:17
Keybuk*** loading the extensions datasource12:17
Keybuk*** ExtensionManager:_updateManifests: no access privileges to application directory, skipping.12:17
Keybuk^ Unhappy :-(12:17
punkasssbut there doesnt seem to be anything like editplus for linux.  jedit..never really liked it.12:18
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[Fry] tbone, thx, and the security packages... are only for warty CD release? or for main source too and restricted too?12:19
tbone[Fry] : That, I'm not sure of, sorry12:19
Qerubpunkasss: gvim! :)12:19
[Fry] tbone, ok :-)12:19
punkasssoh yeah?12:20
punkassshmm let me check it out12:20
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LinuxJonesevening everyone !!12:25
makoLinuxJones: hey12:25
grant937hello LinuxJones12:28
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LinuxJonesIt's quite here tonight.12:30
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makoLinuxJones: yeah, it's been uncharacteristically quiet all day :)12:31
makoLinuxJones: enjoy it while you can, i'm sure that will be fixed soon enough :)12:31
tboneeveryone is playing with thier ubuntu :P12:32
LinuxJonesmako, well it's Friday (here anyways) and folks are doing other things I guess :D12:32
LinuxJonestbone, with a name like that I dunno if you should have said that :P12:32
tboneLinuxJones: why do you think I did, heh12:33
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LinuxJonesThere is so much buzz about Ubunto I think that there will be 400 people ideling in this channel within a month.12:34
tboneit's a darn nice distro12:34
tbonegoing places says I12:35
LinuxJoneser you know what I ment too many beers 12:35
LinuxJonesI can't wait for the Live CD later this fall that will be very cool12:35
MithrandirLinuxJones: or even better -- 400 people talking about it. :)12:36
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LinuxJonesMithrandir, heh good point :)12:37
Curti1Can anyone give a clue on what to google to get ssh to let me into my new ubuntu installation from a remote network?12:37
KeybukCurti1: install ssh-server12:38
Keybukeither using synaptic (on the System Configuration menu) or apt/aptitude/your favourite poision12:38
Curti1Keybuk: I have.  I can can log in from my local net.  I cannot login from outside my local net.12:38
KeybukCurti1: is "sshd: ALL" in /etc/hosts.allow ?12:38
Curti1Keybuk: No.  Thanks for the clue12:39
tboneanyone know how to change the password associated with one's nick on freenode?12:39
makoLinuxJones: too many beers sounds great12:40
makoLinuxJones: i should start working on that12:40
lezardtbone:  /MSG NickServ HELP12:40
Maydayafaik is there no limit on from what net you can login12:41
punkasssQerub...do you have a homepage for gvim?12:41
Maydayi just installed ssh-server and i can ssh from anywhere at once12:41
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LinuxJonesmako, It's a good plan for Friday and has been working for me for the last ....I dunno....20 years :D12:41
MaydayCurti1: what does it say when the ssh fail?12:43
APi cant see a shared smb printer on another windows box, what is responsible for the auto-detection?12:43
Curti1Mayday: -v shows connection timed out.12:43
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MaydayCurti1: and you can ssh to other dists from outside?12:43
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Curti1Mayday: I can change the route to route ssh to another machine ans it works.  I can always get into the ubuntu machine from an inside machine.12:44
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LinuxJonesMayday: you have a Iptables allowing ssh traffic ??12:45
LinuxJonesMayday: from outside your lan ?12:46
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Maydayno, but im not the one with problem :)12:46
LinuxJonesMayday: oops sorry Curti1 , heh12:46
cardadorahah the beer is starting to go to your head12:46
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LinuxJonesMayday: I need another beer....NOT12:47
Maydaybah, pop another you, it will do you good12:49
lifelessjdub: what did you need to do to configure polypaudio ?12:51
Curti1LinuxJones: I cannot quite tell if it is iptables, but I think you are on to the problem.  There is no log of me attempting to log on via ssh from the remote machine.12:52
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rancoras /msg nickserv link tbone mrclark212:53
MaydayKurtis_dinner: and your router is configured 100% correctly?12:53
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LinuxJonesCurti1: Your trying to connect to the correct server/ip # ??12:56
Maydayubuntu and installed ssh-server doesnt check source net... it must another problem (afaik)12:57
Kurtis_dinnerLinuxJones: I'm trying to connect to my home network from www.gnome.org.  When I set the router to forward port 22 to my fedora computer, I get in.  When I set it to forward to my ubuntu computer, the connection times out.12:57
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Kurtis_dinnerLinuxJones: I'm think this is _not_ an ssh problem for a routing/firewall problem after seeing the logs.  I'm going to eat and try another approach.12:59
LinuxJonesKurtis_dinner, are you able to ping the ubuntu server ?12:59
LinuxJonesKurtis_dinner, ok gl12:59
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LinuxJonesMy powerbar is making horrible sounds when my tv displays anything white....Tiem for a new powerbar :D01:02
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diemanim going to set up a autobuilder this weekend for the first time i think.01:02
diemani want to start autobuilding marriliat's archive for our own use and share whatever i can legally  share.01:03
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[Fry] what fonts go by default in Ubuntu CD normal install?01:05
[Fry] Anybody can see which fonts go by default in Ubuntu?01:06
[Fry] because i install from custom, and install gnome with apt-get, and i think that it isnt the same fonts01:06
[Fry] i try all fonts here01:06
psiit's the bitstream fonts01:07
[Fry] psi, wich?01:08
[Fry] psi, bitstream sans...01:08
[Fry] i see strange this font in custom install01:08
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adrian23Would one be correct in assuming that the package lists for main & restricted will only be known when the distro is officially released in October?01:14
tvonif there is something you want in there, send a note to the dev list...I think thats the procedure01:17
adrian23more curious than anything specific.01:18
adrian23This distro has a lot of promise01:18
tvonYeah, I'm pretty happy with it myself01:19
adrian23Is it unique in disabling the root user? I do know they've done this in macosx, but this is the first I've seen it linux.01:21
adrian23I'm not running it yet,01:21
theantixfirst time I've seen in on linux... but it works quite well01:21
adrian23but I'll try the official release coming soon01:21
tvonadrian23: its pretty unique, and yes it also works well01:22
Mitarionite everyone01:22
psi[Fry] , yes, sans01:23
[Fry] psi, thx01:23
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robertjHey all, anyone want to here a rant against something that few have ranted about before?01:26
tsengrobertj: huh?01:26
robertjIt's a good one I promise ;)01:26
robertjThe save as command should not be enabled by default01:27
azeemwhich save as command in particular?01:27
chutwigi fail to see exactly what that would accomplish01:28
robertjazeem: all of them01:28
robertjchutwig: it would keep people from, err, casually creating new files.01:28
chutwigyour idea is somewhat lacking01:28
adrian23I'd have thought it would be better to have the save function disabled for a new file, but the save as function enabled.01:29
robertjYes, its lacking a save as menu01:29
chutwighow would you propose letting somebody save a new copy of a file, then?01:29
adrian23Once a file's been saved, then you should be able to save it as something else.01:29
azeemrobertj: so you would introduce an rcs to keep track of the changes?01:29
jomohke_Anyone know where I can buy a thinkpad in syndey? jdub?01:30
chutwigyeah, instead of keeping things simple, let's make them insanely complex and liable to break01:30
robertjazeem: exactly01:30
robertjeven if it was just checking out a file that was "keep only most recent copy"01:31
azeemI think somebody wrote about something similar on desktop-devel-list a while ago01:31
robertjalthough d-d-l is not the place for it01:31
azeemwell, #ubuntu probably neither :)01:32
robertjbut this is ranting01:32
robertjif you don't want random ranting, become a listserv hermit ;)01:32
azeemoh, I forgot 01:33
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tvonThere is no way to get to gstreamer-properties via the menu that I know of01:37
tvon(random comment)01:37
robertjtvon: intentional01:37
tvonrobertj: ah01:37
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tvonalso, I noticed there is no services configuration for g-s-t, was this removed?01:39
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chutwigyeah, it's out right now01:42
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chutwigi imagine it'll make its way back in eventually01:42
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tvonFor a default install its probably preferred to not have it I'd think, but anyone who installs extra things they want running at startup might be annoyed01:42
chutwigif you really want it back you could get the debian experimental deb01:42
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chutwigi think there needs to be a little more lockdown on services01:43
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chutwigi can't think of any real reason for an end-user to be running an MTA, for example01:43
tvonyeah, thats the sorta thing I was thinking about01:43
chutwigit should probably be disabled by default, really01:43
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tvonbesides which, most of the time if someone installs an extra "service" based package, chances are they want it running on boot and we can manage it01:44
WWI'm trying to run a commercial program (Maple) that I know work in another Debian distro based with kernel 2.4.21.  When I run it, I get:01:44
chutwigtvon: right01:44
WW /usr/local/maple_su/bin.IBM_INTEL_LINUX/maplew: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory01:44
chutwigWW: do ls /usr/lib/libstdc*01:45
WW /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5  /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5.0.701:45
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chutwigyou need to get another libstdc package01:45
chutwigi forget its name, but i think it's under base system in synaptic01:46
chutwigif it's not there, search for libstdc and look for the one labelled version 601:46
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chutwigi think linux needs some aesthetic love in general01:48
WWchutwig: apt-cache search shows a libstdc++5 and libstdc++6.  So it might be as easy as installing libstdc++6?01:48
tvonNo offense to anyone involved, but the default GDM theme looks like poop..literally..nasty poop all over the background :-D01:48
chutwigWW: yeah, try that01:48
tvonIMO and all of course01:48
tvonbugzilla aint too perdy either01:48
chutwigtvon: i agree, beige isn't the best color01:48
chutwigit's not even beige, it's like "i ate a whole lot of cheap indian food at 2 AM last night"01:48
WWchutwig: Thanks, I'll try it in a bit. I'm upgrading now, and OpenOffice is big.01:49
chutwigthat it is01:49
tvonchutwig: hah, exactly01:49
chutwigtvon: i think in general linux suffers from a major lack of good administration tools01:49
tvonI dont care for the gtk theme brown either...I think indubstrial looks great with the default watermark background/color though01:49
chutwigthere's too much of an attitude of "the user should learn the command line if there's not a GUI tool for it"01:50
tvonchutwig: I agree.  I generally really like the fedora-system tools though01:50
tvonchutwig: yeah01:50
chutwigi mean, i think it's quite possible to make unix and unix-like systems friendly enough that you never have to touch a terminal01:50
chutwigmy normal computer is a testament to that01:50
WWchutwig: Speaking of admin tools, I was asking here earlier if there is a GUI for editing/maintaining cupsd.conf.  Apparently not.01:51
robertjchat: *ahem* OS X01:51
robertjerr chut01:51
chutwigrobertj: i'm a full-time mac user01:51
chutwigit's my only computer, really01:51
chutwigWW: there's the gnome cups tool, but i don't know what it lets you do01:52
robertjI'm a part time mac user. I get payed to use Mac. It's OK01:52
chutwigi guess not what you want it to do :)01:52
robertjSilly line endings ;)01:52
WWchutwig: I haven't seen anything that lets configure browsing, for example.01:52
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chutwigthat line ending crap is a relic of previous versions01:52
chutwigit's going the way of resource forks01:53
lichteanyone have any luck installing ubuntu warty?01:53
chutwigi hate resource forks01:53
azeemWW: does gnome-cups-manager not do what you want?01:53
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robertjchut: me too01:53
WWazeem: Well, I'll give it a try and find out!  Thanks.01:54
robertjHalf my icons have the default icon01:54
chutwigtvon: i like the graphical greeter that has the list of names on the left-side XP-style01:54
azeemtvon: the ubuntu crowd said the artwork is preliminary01:54
robertjI hope the brown goes01:54
robertjother than that I'm fine01:54
robertjor at least gets darker01:54
tvonazeem: yeah, I know.  I'm not sure if there is something in mind or not though, so perhaps I can help by providing something :)01:54
chutwigi think that it would make a good default ubuntu gdm theme with the ubuntu logo replacing the gnome logo and maybe some color changes01:54
tvonchutwig: tis called the face browser, and yeah I generally like it too (when there is more than one user for the system and they have actually provided login photos)01:55
chutwigeventually i expect the system configuration stuff on first boot will be replaced with GUI stuff and then you can properly set up  users that way01:55
chutwigmaybe find some free stock artwork and throw it in there for photos like what apple does with OS X01:55
robertjmaybe I will go to my ubuntu box and dig around for the artwork ;)01:55
lichtethe base install doesn't work for me01:56
chutwigfree and public domain stock art, that is01:56
tvonyeah, thats a debian-installer thing  (gtk frontend) that I know some people are interested in01:56
chutwiglichte: we need more information to help you than "it doesn't work"01:56
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lichtechutwig, sure.  It crashes on the initrd package01:56
chutwigwhat sort of crash?01:56
chutwigkernel panic?01:56
lichteno nothing like that01:56
lichtea dependency problem01:57
lichtehold on, I'm waiting for it to happen again01:57
chutwiginstalling from a CD, right?01:57
lichteI just dl'd it01:57
chutwigyou might want to md5sum the ISO you burned from01:57
chutwigor re-burn it01:57
WWazeem: Ah, I that gnome-cups-manager is just the name of the program run by Computer->System Configuration->Printing.  It doesn't configure browsing.01:57
WWs/I that/I see that/01:57
chutwigcould be a corrupted image or a botched burn01:57
chutwigif you downloaded the i386 ISO, your md5 should be 9750df59b73428b68e681c3c44b31ff501:58
lichtevirtual console 3 says "initrd-tools is already the newest version"01:58
lichteand then it spits out a ton of unmet dependencies lines01:59
lichteall libraries01:59
lichtemostly gnome libraries01:59
chutwigthat happened to me when the hard drive in my junk computer blew up halfway through the install01:59
lichtethis is a brand new computer02:00
lichteI'll try it on another computer02:00
chutwignot saying the computer is at fault, but you'd be surprised02:00
lichteI know what you mean02:00
truk-awaycheck md5 before on iso downloaded02:00
lichtewell, I'm in a lab with 17 computers02:00
lichtehow can I check md5 on XP?02:00
chutwigthere are probably little utilities floating around to do it02:01
lichtewell, I'll try a different box firs02:01
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azeemWW: what do you mean with browsing?02:01
chutwighe might mean browsing for network printers02:02
chutwigthat's what i assume, at least02:02
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azeemI believe the RedHat guys are working on this, but this is probably too late for warty02:02
chutwigi don't think CUPS and samba talk to each other too much02:03
chutwigi don't know exactly how OS X solves that problem02:03
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truk-awayit's easy to configure cups in a network02:04
truk-awayjust try http://host-of-printer:63102:04
truk-awaylook for url of printer02:04
truk-awayand put it on your cups-gnome-printer settings02:04
chutwigprobably turns it over to the generic browsing services and then just returns that data to CUPS at the end02:04
WWtruk-away: Actually, I think it is supposed to be even easier than that, and it probably it.  When I turned on browser on my client computer, and restarted cups, it detected the remote printer automatically.02:05
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WWMy god, I need a poof reader.02:06
truk-awayWW: umm, write about it, please, in wiki it will be wonderful for newbies02:06
WWtruk-away: But I haven't got it to completely work yet, and I don't know why.02:06
WWtruk-away: I get errors when I try to use the printer.02:07
lichteit crashes on the other box too02:07
truk-awayWW: ah, so i don't know, i did like i said here and works perfect02:07
lichteI think these dependency problems are for vim02:08
truk-awaylichte: have you checked md5 ?02:08
lichtewould vim require gnome libs?02:08
lichtetruk-away, no02:08
lichtetruk-away, I need to find a way to check it using XP02:08
truk-awaylichte: do it, and try installing without upgrades02:08
lichtetruk-away, is there a way to do that?02:08
lichtetruk-away, a command line option?02:08
truk-awaylichte: don't know, i don't use windows02:08
lichteI mean intalling without upgrades02:09
lichteyeah, I don't either02:09
LinuxJoneslichte, vim does not require gnome02:09
truk-awayyes, it asks you if you want to upgrade02:10
truk-awaydon't configure network or say no to upgrades02:10
azeemlichte: there's an issue with vim at the moment, dunno if it's resolved, see bugzilla02:10
truk-awaylichte: install it with ethernet wire out02:10
lichteazeem, ah, thats it02:11
lichteazeem, thanks02:11
lichtetruk-away, ok, thanks02:11
lichteI'm still getting the vim error02:15
lichteI'll read bugzilla02:15
lichtehmmm, nothing there02:16
lichtemaybe I should dl the iso from somewhere else.02:19
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lichteI got it from the UK mirror02:20
lichteit was the fastest02:20
azeemoh, so the install fails?02:20
azeemis this the prerelease iso, or a daily one?02:21
bolivarany thoughts on why the spell checker doesnt work?02:21
lichteazeem, it's warty02:21
lichteI'm not sure what the version is02:21
lichtevim wants gnome libs installed02:22
azeemwell, can you install it? Do you get to the desktop?02:22
lichteit barfs on the base install02:22
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lichteI dl'd the Ubuntu 4.10 "The Warty Warthog"02:24
azeemlichte: check #83402:25
azeemlichte: best to post to ubuntu-users with an exact error message and saying you did an install02:26
lichteis there a newer iso I can get?02:28
lichtelooks like they may have fixed this02:28
lichteoh, it was fixed today02:28
azeemnot sure02:28
lichteprobably not then02:29
lichtethanks all02:30
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gangashi, i dont have internet connection with ubuntu, what is the best way to install development software like gcc,gdb,make,gtk2-dev etc03:17
crimsunsudo apt-get install build-essential03:22
crimsunthen if you want to build a package 'something', first do: sudo apt-get build-dep something03:22
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gangascrimsun: and that can be done offline...right?03:24
KurtisDoes ubuntu install and startup a firewall?03:24
KosaiNo, but it doesn't run any network daemons.03:24
LinuxJonesKosai, what you mean ?03:27
Maydayhe means that a firewall isnt needed since there arent anything open to allow/block access to?03:28
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LinuxJonesMayday, so postix and cups an all other services only listen on local lan ? 03:29
KosaiIf you're clueful enough to be installing your own services, you're clueful enough to work out that you need a firewall for them.03:29
KosaiLinuxJones: postfix doesn't accept random mail for other sites, so there's no need to firewall it.03:29
Maydaywell postfix only listens on
Maydaytry: netstat -an|grep LISTEN|grep -i tcp03:31
Maydayor maybe egrep -i "tcp|udp"03:31
Maydayonly thing listening on my ubuntu is 111 (portmap)03:31
LinuxJonesMayday, I don't run any services like postix netstat -tap is empty03:32
Kurtiskosai: I installed sshd.  I can connect via a machine on the same subnet, but I cannot connect to a machine from the intranet.  I can connect to a Fedora machine if I tell my router to forward port 22 to it.  I think Ubuntu is blocking all extra-net traffic because there is no log off my attempt to connect.03:33
Kurtiskosai: I installed sshd.  I can connect via a machine on the same subnet, but I cannot connect to a machine from the *internet*.  I can connect to a Fedora machine if I tell my router to forward port 22 to it.  I think Ubuntu is blocking all extra-net traffic because there is no log off my attempt to connect.03:33
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Maydaycan you connect to any other ports on the box from outside?03:34
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KurtisMayday: I'm about to test.03:35
Maydayif the ubuntu is the machine your irc'in from all ports betveen 1 and 100 are filtered, you are sure that router of yours isnt the problem?03:36
KurtisMayday: My router only forwards 80 and 22.  I'm going to start a httpd on Ubuntu to see if that works.03:37
KosaiKurtis: I've also installed sshd, and can get to my ubuntu machine from the public net.03:42
KurtisKosai: show off.03:43
Maydaysame here, no problems with default install03:43
KosaiNot showing off, just telling you that your firewall theory is bogus.03:43
KurtisThanks.  03:43
stratusIs there a log with the diff between daily cd images and the preview release?03:44
jdubstratus: you could read the warty-changes list between those dates :_)03:46
stratusjdub, :(03:46
jdubhey, that's a good changelog :-)03:46
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bolivaranyone have satellite isp?03:51
jsubl2bolivar, fixed wireless.  if that is what you mean yes03:53
bolivarjsubl2: i was referring to a direct tv type of satellite03:54
jsubl2bolivar, oh  not me then03:55
jdubstratus: lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/warty-changes03:56
stratusjdub, oic. i'll spend some hours there, but thanks. :)03:56
tsenglo jdub 03:57
stratusjdub, btw what's the deal with 'ubuntu in a nutshell booklet' ? 03:57
jdubone sec03:57
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LinuxJonesnight all sleepy time !!04:22
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KurtisI suspect my ssh misadventures ties back to the NIC problems I had during setup.  eth0 is not using resolv.conf.04:28
KurtisWhat do I have to kick to make sure eth0 uses resolve.conf.  eth1, if I manually assign the essid will use resolve.conf.04:30
tsengdhclient doesnt write /etc/resolv.conf here04:30
tsenghad to write my own04:30
Kurtistseng: eth0 is a fixed ip.  It is my DMZ box.04:30
lamontbdale: I _TRIED_ to get f-b or kobo into the desktop seed, but it didn't happen..04:30
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sidneyi have a quick question... how can i change the default sound device?04:31
sidneyi have usb sound... and laptop speakers04:32
sidneyi want to use usb sound04:32
sidneyany ideas?04:34
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sidneyyeah... well... thanks for ALL the help04:40
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ubunchapany idea why mono is not at 1.0 in warty?04:48
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tsengubunchap: 04:50
tseng deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./04:50
ubunchapthanks tseng 04:50
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jdubtseng: we have to get those in :-)04:56
jdubtseng: do you have source packages?04:56
jdubtseng: or are they easily synced, unchanged, from sid?04:56
ubunchaptseng: pkgs are good :) thanks a lot04:56
tsengjdub: unchanged, with the notes i listed on the universe wiki04:57
tsengjdub: applied a patch (by hand) to monodevelop, fixed upstream in 0.5.1 now04:57
tsengjdub: and had to install mono binary first04:57
tsengoh and muine depends on mono-mint04:58
jdubtseng: ok, we should get this sorted out in universe :)04:58
tsengwhich doesnt get build on x8604:58
tsengso i did dpkg-buildpkg -rfakeroot -d04:58
tsengignoring the silly dep04:58
tsengjdub: yes, we should :)04:58
tsenghow can I help04:58
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bolivarhmmm i dont know if an update removed the trash...or me changing icon themes...but its gone...any thoughts?04:59
tsengbolivar: ive seen it crash silently when changing themes, try readding it04:59
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bolivarok readded and changed border and icons....its ok this time05:00
bolivaryou know after all these updates...thats the first thing that ever went 'wrong'.  if that isnt a good sign i dont know what is05:01
ubunchapare eclipse, java and the like in .seb form as well?05:02
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george_anyone have another repo other than debian-marillat for media stuff?05:05
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chutwigis there a way to enumerate motherboard temperature sensors?05:13
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TongMasterhrm, no modconf in Ubuntu?05:15
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jdubTongMaster: echo blahblah >> /etc/modules05:19
KurtisDoes anyone know id Ubuntu can detect a winmodem and install a driver?05:20
TongMasterta jdub :)05:23
jdubKurtis: not at the moment05:24
Kurtisjdub: thanks.  I was just asking for a friend,05:25
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LeeColletonI've connected a USB webcam that registered as /dev/video according to dmesg, yet it won't open with GnomeMeeting or any other webcam program.  The device is a SN9C10[12]  PC Camera Controller.  Any ideas?05:41
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chutwigthis computer is ancient but just refuses to die05:42
chutwigquite remarkable05:43
KurtisI'm using a undead computer myself.05:45
chutwigit's a p2-266 at 300 mhz right now05:45
chutwigseeing how far the processor can go05:45
JanneMchutwig: is ubuntu usable on it?05:46
JanneMhow much memory?05:46
chutwig256 megs05:46
JanneMperhaps note it in the wiki?05:47
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JanneMas a datapoint for others wondering what hardware they need an so05:47
chutwigwhat for?05:47
chutwigi wouldn't recommend people have only a computer like this05:47
chutwigbut it gets the job done05:47
linux_mafiaanyone got lm-sensors working?05:47
JanneMwith any tweaks you've done to the system for better performance05:48
ubunchaplinux_mafia: im trying gdesklets now...05:48
chutwigi changed the multiplier and am running prime95 torture test for it to blow up05:48
chutwigit hasn't yet05:48
Kurtischutwig: I'm at 200 Mhz, 96M, a dead battery, and a paper clip is keeping the ether in jack.05:48
chutwigKurtis: this computer is in slightly better shape :)05:48
JanneMa good performace tip is probably not to run evo, phoenix and ooffice at the same time05:48
chutwignah, they run fine05:49
JanneMat the same time?05:49
chutwigjust expect your music to skip around a bit05:49
chutwigi've done it05:49
chutwigit's also not going to do so well at any non-complex movies, but i've watched futurama episodes on it05:49
JanneMI'd expect quite a bit of "seizing up" whenever you switch from one to another05:49
KurtisJanneM: I've learned never to run oo.o and expect performance.05:49
chutwigyeah, OOO sucks05:49
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chutwigJanneM: nah, it floats pretty well05:50
chutwigeven better with an extra few megahertz05:50
JanneMI'm about to buy an 1.1Ghz Pentium M so I'm a bit curious05:50
JanneMbut if your machine still handles gnome with no problem there is nothign to worry about05:50
chutwigthat'll be no problem at all, are you kidding05:50
chutwigthe pentium-M is intel's best processor right now05:51
JanneMonce upon a time I ran gnome2 on a P2-233 and 96Mb, and it was fine, though I had to switch to a different email reader and kill off nautilus05:51
JanneMto avoid swapping05:51
chutwigthis computer doesn't have temperature sensors, too old05:52
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whiprushhmm, does universe pick up new sid packages eventually? Or should I file a request, or post on the list?05:53
chutwigbut it's been doing prime95 for half an hour now without any errors05:53
chutwigi think i'll put it all the way to 33305:54
chutwigit'll probably error out there05:54
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chutwigthe SVG for the ubuntu color palette seems corrupted06:13
linux_mafiai dont think lm-sensors is a goer :(06:15
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J-What's up in here?  Howdy, Ubuntu-folk!06:17
chutwigcan somebody else try the ubuntu palette SVG and see if it opens for them?06:17
J-Gentoo user here.  I think I'm going to have to try this new distro I've been hearing everything about!06:17
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chutwignot even sodipodi can manage it06:18
chutwigoh well, i'll just copy the values into illustrator and compose a palette there06:18
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JanneMJ-: welcome!06:23
linux_mafiachutwig, opens ok for me in sodipodi06:24
chutwigblows up horribly for me06:24
chutwigcan you export it as something non-SVG?06:24
chutwigEPS would be good if it's available, i don't know what sodipodi has06:25
linux_mafiachutwig, try inkscape06:25
chutwigi prefer to ask you to do things for me :)06:26
chutwigi only need this one thing, i'm trying to avoid downloading a ton of programs06:26
crimsunyou have the gimp...06:26
chutwignot on this computer i don't06:26
chutwigall i'm asking is for somebody to export it to EPS for me06:27
J-Hello!  I'm getting excited.06:28
crimsunhello, J- 06:28
chutwigsomebody?  please?06:28
J-Ubuntu looks very sleek.  And it's designed with laptops in mind. Yay!06:28
JanneMchutwig: where's the svg file?06:30
chutwigJanneM: in the wiki under ubuntuartwork06:30
JanneMJ-: it's nice, yes06:30
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JanneMJ-: of course, since we are here, it's not too surprising we think so :)06:30
JanneMchutwig: moment06:30
chutwiggimp.app finally finished cataloguing my fonts06:31
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chutwigGTK on OS X is a whole lot of not-fun06:31
JanneMchutwig: what, exactly do you need?06:31
J-I'm a bit worried about the CD though.  When I loaded the other one I burned, it didn't work so well.  Glitchy boot screen and the install gave me a blank screen.06:31
linux_mafiachutwig, i'll do it in a mo, if JanneM doesn't svg to eps is non trivial06:31
chutwigJanneM: for you to convert the SVG to EPS06:32
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chutwigthe palette, not the logo, the logo SVG parses fine for me06:32
JanneMchutwig: why not just convert the png?06:32
chutwigraster to vector?06:32
chutwigthat doesn't work so well06:32
JanneMI don't know the reason you want it, sorry06:32
linux_mafiachutwig, what do you want me to do with the eps, dcc?06:34
JanneMchutwig: you want the original text or converted to paths?06:34
chutwiglinux_mafia: we can try DCC06:34
chutwigJanneM: hang on, we'll see if linux_mafia has it06:34
chutwig5.81 megs?  that's big06:34
JanneM605k for me06:35
chutwigillustrator's going to have fun with this one06:35
JanneMprobably the text thing06:35
linux_mafiaused imagemagick convert, im no graphics guru, maybe ive done it the stupid way06:35
chutwigit probably doesn't optimize it much06:35
JanneMit probably generates all text as vector graphics as well06:35
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JanneMchutwig: send the smaller one?06:36
chutwigthat still shouldn't make it that large06:36
chutwigsince fonts themselves are represented as vectors and they're not very big06:36
JanneMsorry - 60k is the one I generated06:36
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chutwigokay, why not send it06:36
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chutwigsays it's waiting for the transfer to start06:38
chutwigmy irc client's probably stupid and does transfers sequentially06:38
JanneMhate my network06:38
chutwignah, it seems to think there's a connection problem06:39
JanneMI get that problem at times06:39
JanneMhold on06:39
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chutwigborka borka bork06:42
chutwigfonts got kind of botched, but the colors look good06:42
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JanneMI can do a version with converted fonts too06:43
chutwiglinux_mafia's version is just about done, i'll look at that06:43
linux_mafiaany good?06:43
chutwigit's going to take illustrator a moment to parse it06:43
chutwigthat's pretty zany06:44
chutwigJanneM: can you do converted fonts?06:44
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linux_mafiawas it ok? or borked06:44
chutwigfonts are also borked, but in a different way06:44
JanneMwill do06:44
bolivarok i am tired and could be over looking it...but does 2.8 gnome have the login manager?06:45
linux_mafiagood luck, gotta go to work06:45
chutwigbolivar: gdm?06:45
bolivarthe tool to config it06:45
chutwigit's included in ubuntu, yeah06:45
bolivari dont see it on the login or in the menu06:45
JanneMok, reload it - about 800k this time06:46
bolivaroh sheesh06:46
bolivarok i am really tired06:46
bolivari found it06:46
chutwigi have way too many windows going on right now06:46
chutwigthat looks a lot better06:46
chutwigone last request06:46
JanneM:) I mean06:46
chutwigthe right side gets cut off06:47
chutwigif there's an easy way to fix that, please do06:47
chutwigif you don't already know how, don't worry about it06:47
JanneMit has it's own "paper" size that's really wide06:47
chutwigactually, never mind06:48
chutwigillustrator got it right06:48
JanneMjust make some nice artwork for us to enjoy :)06:48
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JanneMif it's not nice, I'll take the file right back ;)06:48
chutwigtime to clean this crap off my desktop and arrange it nicely06:49
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chutwigi was toying with the idea of designing something nice in indesign, a sort of "ubuntu linux in 3 pages kind of thing"06:51
chutwigthe kind of thing you could distribute to system administrators06:52
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jdjs_wow lots of people07:00
Tsjoklatlol jdjs07:01
Tsjoklatyou decided to leave your slack chan?07:01
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HoochsterOf course theres lots of peeps!  07:06
Hoochsterit's Ubuntu! :)07:06
TsjoklatHoochiepooch :)07:06
Tsjoklatthat's right!07:06
Tsjoklateven jdjs came07:07
crimsunhaven't /names'd in a while07:07
danielscrimsun: hello07:09
crimsunhello daniels 07:10
chutwigwho came up with the ubuntu artwork?07:14
jdjs_it's phat .. right?07:15
TongMasterHey guys, working at in installfest and found some tricky hardware that Ubuntu can see but can't copy files from in D-I but it can from the CLI07:15
Tsjoklatit says on the wiki chutwig07:15
crimsunit's quite pretty imo07:15
Tsjoklatheya Tong :)07:16
tuo2hey TongMaster..what installfest?07:16
TongMasterSo I'm going to copy to /var/cache/apt/archives but where do I copy from?07:16
TongMasterheya Tsjoklat07:16
TongMastertuo2, SLUG visiting UoW07:16
chutwigseems to have defied my notice07:16
Tsjoklatare you on a lap TM?07:17
TongMasteryep, sony via with an idrive.07:17
Tsjoklatso far no probs? besides the thing you  mentioned?07:18
TongMasternot so far - becuase it's early in the install :)07:18
TongMasterSo if I can work out how to manually do the copy, I"ll be fine for this user.07:19
Tsjoklatah, very curious to find out how it is going for you07:19
TongMasterThey brought it as an Ubuntu challenge because every other distro failed07:19
TsjoklatI think you'll be succesful07:19
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TongMasterI will be if I can work out where to copy from / to07:20
brad[] Is Ubuntu Linux actually built for i386 machines?07:20
Tsjoklatit needed some tweaking on my box too but overall I am very happy07:20
danielsit is built for a minimum of 486, but optimised for pentium 407:20
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brad[] daniels: Ah ok - is much benefit afforded to Athlon systems by doing that?07:21
danielsbrad[] : i believe so, yes07:21
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brad[] daniels: cool07:21
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brad[] I don't know if this is a loaded question or not but will Ubuntu be adding any support for KDE in the future?07:23
TongMasterdaniels, if I copy /cdrom/pool/main/*/*/*.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/ will that replicate the copy process?07:23
ajuko_jdjsTsjoklat sleep is winning the battle07:23
ajuko_jdjslike always07:24
joembrad[] , yea07:25
brad[] joem: Nice - I think what would be interesting is creating a default KDE environment with a nice, defined set of options, cleaned up toolbars, ordered menus etc, something of a way to show how KDE should look per default 07:26
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brad[] Maybe it'd give upstream some ideas ;)07:26
danielsTongMaster: i believe so, yeah07:26
TongMasterokay, I'm copying /cdrom/pool/main/*/*/*.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/07:26
joemyea,default kde is pretty ugly07:27
cleeheh. that's a hell of an understatement.07:32
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chutwigthe main thing i don't like about default KDE is that god-forsaken clock07:33
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chutwigthe computer's been running the prime95 torture test for about 2 hours now without any problems07:33
chutwigi'd say this processor survived the jump to 300 mhz07:34
tvon|X31KDE has some things I like, but for the most part I find it overly complicated07:39
NafaiI have to do very little customization to Gnome to get it to what I like07:40
NafaiAdd a couple of key bindings, add what I want to the panel, and pick a theme07:40
joemits all about sane defaults07:40
chutwigKDE suffers from an extreme case of linuxitis07:40
tvon|X31I also think the gnome HIG does a lot for the UI...kde apps always seem crowded07:40
chutwigand options for options07:40
tvon|X31chutwig: yeah07:40
brad[] chutwig: Well, options are good, but many should be out of view by default ;)07:41
chutwigbrad[] : i take the macintosh view of options07:41
brad[] The computer shouldn't ask you anything it should already know07:41
brad[] hehe07:41
chutwighide whatever people aren't likely to use, and the people that would be using those options are the ones that don't mind digging through flat files to find it :)07:41
brad[] exactly07:42
chutwigi've gone rooting around my preference plists on here hundreds of times to find obscure settings, but that doesn't bug me, because it's something that 99% of users will never even think to look for07:42
brad[] Well, flat files blah but preference panes with advanced options or such07:42
GoneBoByeah but then you run into stupid things like the metacity people flat out refusing to allow a window to EVER go above the screen07:42
chutwigabove the screen?07:42
brad[] GoneBoB: Yeah I had some fun with issues like that when metacity was first shipped with GNOME 2.007:42
GoneBoBalt drag a window up07:43
brad[] Nothing would go into full-screen mode properly 07:43
chutwigi dunno, that seems like a smart move to me, keep people from putting windows where they can't get them back in an obvious manner07:43
GoneBoBthey refused to make it an option and said they wouldn't include it even if I wrote a patch for it07:43
GoneBoBchestie: sure, but me and people I know specifically want to be able to07:43
GoneBoBI know how to get them back.. it's not like it needs to be in a major conf dialog07:43
chutwigi guess it's different with X, though, to get things like fullscreen and stuff07:44
chutwigOS X doesn't let you push windows off the top or bottom edges either, it makes sure the entire titlebar is visible if you try07:44
chestieGoneBoB, did I say something?07:44
GoneBoBchestie: no, I am oncrack, I meant chutwig07:45
GoneBoBch[tab] 07:45
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GoneBoBok, gtg out07:45
JanneMbrad[] : if you want to do something graphical for KDE, do a theme that fits in with the rest of the ubuntu artwork?07:47
brad[] JanneM: hmm07:48
tvon|X31is there no 'unrar' ?07:49
brad[] rar x?07:49
tvon|X31I cant find a package07:49
brad[] disregard07:49
tvon|X31I konw there is one in debian proper07:49
tvon|X31unrar and unrar-nonfree I believe they are called07:50
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chutwigi am tired and wired at the same time07:52
stubWhere do I find the startup messages - ntp is failing on startup and I want to find out why07:59
lifeless/var/log/daemon.log | /var/log/messages | dmesg08:00
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stubOh - no wonder I couldn't find it. My clock changed my 10 hours after it ran so I thought that was me running it yesterday ;)08:10
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punkassanyone know any python on here?08:50
cleepunkass: probably. why?08:53
punkasstrying to get an output out of a os.system command08:54
punkasssay i want to ls dir|grep something08:54
punkassi want the string08:54
cleehmmm. not sure.08:57
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punkassclee: got it :)08:58
cleepunkass: :)09:01
cleepunkass: how did you do it?09:01
punkass(outp, inp) = os.popen2('command')09:02
punkassprint inp.read()09:02
punkassa little help from the #python channel09:03
Treenaksbtw, does anyone know a good book for learning Python? I know perl quite well now, and I like the style of Programming Perl... is there a book like that for Python?09:12
Treenaks(quite well? my job title is Perl Guru :P)09:12
housetierhttp://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/PythonBooks :)09:13
TreenaksI still don't understand why most wikis make links LikeThis instead of "like this"..09:15
jdubTreenaks: because that's WikiText09:16
housetierLikeThis = wikiword, it takes extra effort to make "like this" a link to "LikeThis"09:17
jdubTreenaks: if you log in, you can make it add a space in display09:17
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Sirius_Blackhi guys - how do i install java virtual machine in ubuntu09:31
Treenaks("it's in the FAQ")09:35
Sirius_Blacktnx Treenaks 09:36
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jmhodgeshey, is there a ChangeLog anywhere public?09:49
punkasswell since this is there first release im not sure if there is one yet09:51
jmhodgespunkass: well, what about all of these deb releases? surely there is a ChangeLog of some kind for those09:51
punkasshmm, yeah maybe..im not sure09:52
jmhodgesprobably some arch repository somewhere that hasn't been publicized.. bah.. ill ask in about 8 hours when i'm really awake09:53
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jdubjmhodges: see the warty-changes mailing list09:58
jmhodgesjdub: ah, now that seems to be new.. thanks jdub09:58
jdubnot new09:58
jdubotherwise it wouldn't have the changes in it...09:59
jmhodgesthen i'm simply blind :)09:59
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Llamabutcheris there a way to download shockwave through apt?10:16
housetierthere is a flashplugin package, don't know if its in the ubuntu repo as well10:17
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crimsundoesn't look like it.10:18
Llamabutcherits not in universe?10:19
punkassif you are using the new firefox i think it has a built in browser installer10:19
crimsuncheck yourself10:19
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punkassis ubuntu going to be doing a boot splash screen?10:23
Mithrandirjeg, for hoary10:23
Mithrandiruhm, yes.10:23
Mithrandirfor hoary.10:23
punkasscool thanks10:24
mojogood evening every1, happy to see Ubuntu community is still crowded and motivated! ^o^10:24
Mithrandirgood morning10:24
punkassim (trying) to write a little app that scans for wifi networks then ask for wep key if required10:25
punkassso far so good10:25
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mojoI am wondering who I can should talk to on the Ubuntu Artwork10:28
crisenis there an ubuntu livecd in the works?10:29
jdubcrisen: yes10:29
jdubcrisen: it was delayed for the preview10:29
crisenok, cool!10:30
Ycroslivecds are all the rage these days... why back in my day...10:30
jdub^ available, but oooold10:30
jdubnot even close to current packages, et.c10:30
punkassanyone know of a good tutorial for making applets for 2.8?10:30
crisenlivecds are useful when you want a real preview of a distro10:30
crisenthey are also cool to show management 'hey look linux on a cd!'10:30
punkassalso good for fixing systems that dont boot10:31
yojimbo-sanOn powerpc, I'd like to boot to OSX by default - I *think* all I have to do is to add "defaultos=macosx" to my /etc/yaboot.conf, and run ybin ... is that correct?10:31
punkasswell off to sleep its 1:30am here10:32
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yojimbo-sanSo, no powerpc/yaboot people around at this time of day, eh. No worries, I'll ask again later ;-)10:38
MacPlusG3yojimbo-san: you'll want something like "macosx=/dev/hda9" in your yaboot.conf, and a deafault line (from memory - i don't boot osx by default)10:39
yojimbo-sanYep, the 'macosx' line is already present, and the 'defaultos' line is well documented, I guess I'm wondering if I have to run 'ybin' or something (I'm used to lilo, and seeing GRUB just read config files at boot time made me want to be careful with assumptions)10:41
MacPlusG3generally with yaboot you have to10:42
yojimbo-sanok, I might risk it ... :-)10:42
janmdudes, is there a PlanetUbuntu somewhere?10:42
Treenaksplanet.ubuntu.com :)10:43
yojimbo-sanwhen the install rate reaches 100%, that'll be Earth, I expect ...10:43
janmTreenaks: cool thanks10:44
TreenaksI love the "planet" concept :)10:45
MacPlusG3although it'd be neater if rss aggregators (e.g. straw) could somehow cross reference posts so you don't read the same thing twice in two planets :)10:46
hypatiait would be possible with any feed that is rss 2 and includes the gid10:46
hypatiathey're meant to be completely unique10:46
MacPlusG3hrrrmm... cool... maybe something to hack on... (what am i talking about - i've got enough to do as it is :) besides... there's beer here to be drunk.10:47
hypatiabut, you'll find out that a lot of feeds don't include the gid10:47
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hypatiait might be possible to do it using the link10:47
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hawksmoorhi, evrybody10:48
hawksmoorI need some advice, is this the right place?10:49
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yojimbo-sanYep, it's quiet right now hawksmoor, but be patient :-)10:50
hawksmoorthanks, I'll be10:50
Hmmmmm_guys iv been using mandrake and fedora for a while10:52
hawksmooryou know I just tried Ubuntu but it seems my machine disagree with my decision and won't let in install10:52
Hmmmmm_im really impressd with ubuntu10:52
Hmmmmm_i want to move to it10:53
Hmmmmm_cna iinstall kde on it btw?10:53
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yojimbo-sanI have moved to Ubuntu to replace my work Debian/unstable workstation, but I'm not sure I want to replace my home OSX wit hit yet.10:54
hawksmooruse them both, like I do ;-)10:54
yojimbo-sanKDE applicationa all install from "universe" happily, they're just not tracked for security fixed the same way that gnome is currently.10:54
sabdflHmmmmm_: yes, the kde packages are there, in universe10:54
sabdflHmmmmm_: after a default install you will have a gnome desktop10:55
sabdflHmmmmm_: you can then edit /etc/apt/sources.list to include the universe component10:55
Hmmmmm_i myslf live on gnome10:55
sabdflHmmmmm_: and then you install kde10:55
Hmmmmm_my bro uses kde10:55
Hmmmmm_sabdfl, so i just do an "apt-get install kde"?10:55
sabdflHmmmmm_: effectively yes. not sure of (a) how you get rid of gnome, and (b) whether "kde" is the correct basic package to use that will pull in the rest of kde too10:56
danielssabdfl: yah, kde is right10:56
sabdflbut you'll figure all of that out quickly10:56
Hmmmmm_i dont wana get rid of gnome10:56
Hmmmmm_i want both10:56
sabdflanother option might be to do a custom "server" install, no X at all, then pull in kde, to avoid having gnome in the first place10:57
sabdflHmmmmm_: ok10:57
Hmmmmm_daniels, so will "apt-get install kde" do the trick?10:57
danielsHmmmmm_: yep10:57
Hmmmmm_also can i copy the stuff i hav already installed using apt-get10:58
Hmmmmm_and reuse it after i reinstall?10:58
yojimbo-sanHmmm, look in /var/cache/apt/archives10:59
hawksmoorI really wanto to try ubuntu but the installation aborts with a "Disk error 01, AX = 4236, drive 9F", anyone had problems like this?10:59
yojimbo-sanHmmm. you should find all the downloaded .deb files.10:59
yojimbo-sanhawksmoor, what hardware are you using?10:59
hawksmoorpackard bell laptop amd k6-2 128 megs ram 450 mhz, trydent cyberblade video card, via 86cxxx audio11:00
Hmmmmm_yojimbo-san, can i also copy this stuff to someone else's ubuntu install and save him the trouble of downloading it ?11:00
hawksmoormandrake 10 with gnome-fluxbox11:00
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yojimbo-sanHmmmm, in theory yes, I *think* but I'm not sure, that you should copy all these files back into the other machine's ...cache, and then run apt-get as normal - it will find the cached files, and if they;re still current, it'll use them instead of downloading new ones11:02
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yojimbo-sanhawksmoor - does the error happen while booting from the CD, or during the copying files process? Where did you get your CD from?11:02
hawksmoorit happens booting, right at the beginning and a friend of mine with adsl downloaded it yesterday from the italian mirror (i'm italian, by the way9 11:04
Hmmmmm_yojimbo-san, i'll giv it a shot11:04
hypatiawhat's the status of the kernel-image-2.6 virtual packages?11:04
yojimbo-sanciao ;-) Can you verify the md5 checksums of the CD image you burnt? Perhaps the download was corrupted, or the CD is a bad burn?11:04
hypatiaAre they a universe thing or a supported thing?11:04
hawksmooryojimbo-san, twice the booting let me arrive to the splash screen and then stopped before it11:05
hypatiaI guess they'd be linux-image if they were supported.11:05
yojimbo-sanhawksmoor, that sounds a lot like a CD problem ...11:05
hypatiaAh yes, there's a linux-image virtual package too11:06
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yojimbo-sanhypatia, try "apt-cache policy <package>" to see what area it came from ...11:07
hawksmoormmm.... I thought so, if I copy the cd just like it's only data (i.e. not like a bootable cd) and then burn it from my powerbook using disk image, you think it could do the trick?11:07
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Mithrandirhawksmoor: disk image has had problems with the ubuntu cds before, causing it to crash.11:08
yojimbo-sanhawksmoor, I think you should use md5sum to get the checksum of the CD, and compare that with the ubuntu download website first.11:08
hawksmooryojimbo-san, now that I remember, my friend using windows xp :-( at first read the file as a winrar archive11:09
yojimbo-sanWell, I hope that they havent broken their original download. Check it!11:10
yojimbo-sanThe md5 checksum should be '9750df59b73428b68e681c3c44b31ff5  warty-i386.iso ' (from http://ftp3.linux.it/pub/mirrors/warty/MD5SUMS for the 15 Sep 2004 file)11:11
hawksmoorseems that the cd surface is scratched, i feel like i've ad a bit of bad luck!11:11
yojimbo-sanI think it's good luck that you didn't get half-way through the install before finding out that your CD was broken!11:12
yojimbo-sanThink positively :-)11:12
hawksmooreheheh right ;-)11:12
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hypatiayojimbo-san: thanks11:12
oikHey all11:13
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yojimbo-sanhey oik ... can we help you?11:14
oikHas anybody had trouble with the 'mail' command? email seems to disappear. 11:15
hypatiaoik: have a look at /var/log/mail.log to see where it might be going11:15
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hawksmooranother thing, (promise I won't bother you anymore) I've compiled fluxbox 0.9.10 on mandrake log out/log in but fluxbox doesn't appear among the other wm (gnome, icewm, wmaker) is there a way to make it so, be it from the command line or gui?11:15
oikwell yes, there is the message 'fatal: open database /etc/aliases.db: No such file or directory'11:16
yojimbo-sanhawksmoor, it might be in the 'universe' packages ... but I can only see a couple of related packages at the moment ...11:16
hawksmoorthanks, you're very kind11:17
yojimbo-sanUnder Debian, tha package is called 'fluxbox', and this is certainly not in the current ubuntu packages ...11:18
hawksmoorno, i mean is there a way to have it listed among the others before logging (graphical log.... I'm a newbie and not quite comfortable using primarily the command lie)11:20
yojimbo-sanYou mean, you already have fluxbox installed and working?11:21
hawksmoorline... sorry for the tyoi11:21
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hawksmooryes, at the moment is my windo manager in gnome instead of metacity11:22
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yojimbo-sanThe list of window managers is presented from the 'gdm' program - check the man pages (I don't know where it gets the list of wm's from, I'm having a look myself now ;-)11:23
hawksmoora little problem with the top panel appearing in the middle of the screen but for the rest is quite fine11:23
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yojimbo-sanhawksmoor, I'm not sure, but I think you need to look in /usr/share/xsessions. Some kind of data file in there might be needed - I'd try copying the current 'gnome.desktop' and making a few changes (like the Comment and Exec lines)?11:26
hawksmoorlooking the gdm man page and the gdm.conf file right now, I'll try your hints11:27
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bitserfif i'm missing some package from debian proper, what is the best way to get it on ubu? just add debian mirrors to sources.list and hpope for the best?11:29
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bitserf*ubuntu; *hope; apologies:latency11:29
Mithrandirbitserf: add the universe component11:30
yojimbo-sanbitserf, are you already checking the 'universe' repository of ubuntu?11:30
oikyojimbo-san: I ran newaliases which seemed to fix the postfix problem. Should this have been done automatically?11:30
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yojimbo-sanoik, yes, that sounds reasonable. Perhaps you should have a look in the bugzilla to see if this has already been noticed?11:32
bitserfyojimbo: ah, so thats where they'll all reside? great...(still busy in the second phase of my ubuntu install, downloading packages)11:32
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oikyojimbo-san: will do11:33
yojimbo-sanbitserf: yes, universe is basically a dump of 'sid' taken at some time, it's not 100% but it's close enough :-)11:33
hypatialooking at bugzilla, I don't think it has been mentioned there11:34
yojimbo-sanbitserf: you'll need to edit sources.list, just uncomment the lines mentioning 'universe', then 'apt-get update'.11:34
hypatiaOh no.11:35
hawksmoorwife calling, thanks again for your help see ya soon 11:35
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hypatiaoik: https://bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134111:35
hypatiaoik: You should definitely add comments to that bug because it looks like they haven't made much progress with it.11:36
yojimbo-sanhypatia, that but (well found, BTW) is closed in favour of #1123, and is listed as "Fixed in 2.1.3-1ubuntu16."11:37
yojimbo-sanoik, have you run 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' recently?11:38
hypatiayojimbo-san: Reality always beats the bug tracker though11:39
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hypatiayojimbo-san: if the bug still exists and the bug tracker says it doesn't... the bug still exists11:39
hypatiait's good to check though :)11:40
yojimbo-sanhypatia, that package looks like it was only fixed in the last 24 hours or so ...11:40
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yojimbo-sanI have the aliases.db error in my log from 4pm my time, but I upgraded around 6pm, and looking now (9pm) I *have* an aliases.db. So I now always upgrade before investigating a bug too closely :-)11:41
hypatiait's often not sufficient with ubuntu bugs11:41
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hypatiaideally you *reinstall* from the latest daily and then investigate11:41
hypatiabecause they have some kind of policy about never changing your existing settings11:42
yojimbo-sanWell, I can't afford the time to do that. apt-get solves most of my bugs, the rest I kludge by habd11:42
hypatiaSo a lot of bugs get "fixed for new installs"11:42
hypatiaI hope that changes for the warty -> hoary upgrade path11:42
yojimbo-san ... /habd/hand/ :-)11:42
yojimbo-sanIndeed, I hope the dist-upgrade works. Based on previous evidence, I expect it will :-)11:43
yojimbo-sanAnyway, I'm about to see if I can use 'ybin' to make osx my default boot ... so I'll leave this fine forum for the evening ;-) Have fun, everyone!11:44
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sabdflhmm... i've just set up a machine called "slinky"11:55
sabdflif I send mail using "mail -s xyz joe@bloggs.com" it sends mail from "mark@slinky"11:56
sabdflhow do I reset that to be "mark@mydomain.com"?11:56
hypatiaI do it using /etc/postfix/canonical11:57
hypatiaOh, that's the Sender address, From address might not match up.11:57
hypatiaOh no, that does work11:58
hypatiaSo, what you do is:11:58
hypatiamark    mark@mydomain.com11:58
hypatiain /etc/postfix/canonical11:58
hypatiathen run "postmap /etc/postfix/canonical"11:58
hypatiaAnd add this line to /etc/postfix/main.cf:11:59
hypatiacanonical_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/canonical11:59
hypatiaThen postfix will rewrite all outgoing mail from "mark@localhost" or "mark@slinky" or whatever to "mary@mydomain.com"11:59
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hypatia"mark@mydomain.com" rather :(12:01
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JDand I've had coffee12:15
JDmaybe that is the problem12:15
JDdon't feed me coffee12:15
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eddhey Kinnison, JD12:17
MithrandirI should eat breakfast12:17
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Kinnisonhey edd.12:17
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Kinnisontla brain--fuck12:18
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jonodoes ubuntu use the new debian installer to install?12:20
Treenaksbasically, yes.12:21
jonoanyone able to confirm this?12:21
Treenaksit uses udebs, it looks like the debian installer, and it feels like the debian installer12:21
Treenaksit's only a bit less interactive12:22
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Treenaksso I guess it is the debian installer :)12:22
jonocheers Mithrandir12:23
jonoand Treenaks :)12:23
jonoI am reviewing Ubuntu for a magazine, you see12:23
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Treenaksjono: cool12:23
jonohi JD12:23
TreenaksI'm installing it on an ancient Thinkpad 310 (1G disk!) atm12:24
jonohows it going Dave?12:24
JDjono: you graduated yet?12:24
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Treenaksjust to see if the installer doesn't break12:24
JDjono: not too bad, but ask me after I'm learnt tla12:24
jonoJD: yah, I graduated a year back :)12:24
Treenaks(and if hardware is detected correctly, of course)12:24
jonoJD: you at the expo this year?12:24
azeemTreenaks: 1G was too less, last time I tried12:25
mckinghello all12:25
JDjono: of course12:25
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mckingi am really psyched about ubuntu.  installed it this morning12:25
azeemactually, I had around 1.5 GB and did not use archive/copier=false, and the installer did not warn me it was too less, but just crashed12:25
aki_Noticed that grub.menu contains "quiet splash", but could not find a bootsplash pack in the repos. Am I missing something?12:25
jonoJD: cool :)12:25
Mithrandiraki_: it'll be implemented for hoary12:25
aki_When will hoary repos be available?12:26
mckingdo the kernels from warty have the bootsplash patch?12:32
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Mithrandiraki_: shortly after warty final is out12:33
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zombicswhere is the grub.conf file under ubuntu?12:33
tuppaZomb: /boot/grub/12:33
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tuppahow come emacs can't become a bootloader? :P12:35
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Mithrandirtuppa: I'm sure it could, but you'd need to strip it down a bit12:35
tuppaahh of course12:36
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tuppaI'm sure the text adventure game doesn't have to be in the bootloader...12:36
zombicsMithrandir, thx12:36
tuo2tuppa: it is... but noone's ever seen it finish booting...12:36
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TreenaksMithrandir: strip down emacs? sacrilege!12:37
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MithrandirTreenaks: it's just a lisp engine and a bunch of lisp files.12:37
MithrandirTreenaks: it's not like you need doctor for booting your system12:37
TreenaksMithrandir: well, what if the boot fails/12:38
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Mithrandirthen you need doctor, sure.12:38
tuppawell... or you have to go through doctor before you can boot windows12:38
tuppayou need to see a doctor if you want to use that os anyway...12:38
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Treenaks well, go ahead and ask :)12:48
lypanovhow to burn a bootable ubuntu cd using nero? :P12:48
Treenaksyou have the .iso from the site?12:48
JDlypanov: you can do isos but it isn't entirely obvious how12:48
Treenakslypanov: you should be able to select "Burn from image file" from the menu12:49
lypanovah found it :)12:49
Treenaksor something that looks like that12:49
joemisn't it just file-burn image file12:49
lypanovthanks :))12:49
joemthat is pretty obvious12:49
zombicslypanov, just chose images or saed projects and then open the iso with it12:49
bitserfwoot, ubuntu up =)12:49
lypanovi used express :P12:49
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lypanovthx you guys :)12:50
bitserfi have to echo edd dumbill...this is what debian is like after i put in a few hours of customization 12:50
sabdflbitserf: let us know if there are an other tweaks and simplifications we should be adding for Hoary12:51
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lypanovthis is the first time i've installed a gnome distro ever :)12:52
zombicshmmm. :\ this is how my grub is configed and i still cant bott into windows: title=Windows XP12:52
zombicsrootnoverify (hd0,1)12:52
zombicschainloader +112:52
lypanovzombics: tried it from the grub command line?12:52
lypanovchainloader (hd0)+1 always works for me :)12:53
zombicsthats it? this is all i need to write in grub?12:53
zombicsok i done that now what i need to do?(yo close and reboot my system)12:54
lypanov i mean the grub boot command line12:55
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zombicslypanov, ? :O the thing i open with the command "grub"?12:55
bitserfsabdfl: i shall12:58
vincentthanks seb128 for the lobbying to have eagle-usb in ubuntu-cd :)01:00
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seb128vincent: you're welcome :)01:00
bitserfahhh, slick, browsing SMB works out of the box01:02
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lypanovmost exwcellent01:11
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gommanswill there be a ubutu forum on the website?01:11
lypanovTreenaks / JD / joem: works perfect thanks :)01:12
lypanovinstall process is nice :)01:12
Mitariogommans, yes, i think there will be one01:12
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Mitarioi thought they where working on it01:12
gommansGood! That is what we need!01:13
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dannyawhat is ubuntu's "position" on kde?01:13
Treenakslypanov: not only the install process ;)01:14
Treenaksdannya: it's on the website01:14
dannyaah, thanks :)01:14
gommansThey want to support it fully dannya01:14
gommansBut do not do it at the moment.01:14
gommansworking on it.01:14
linux_mafiak3b works at least, yeah!01:15
lypanovk3b is included?01:15
gommansI am a mepis user. Currently I can use the testing/unstable debian packages. Is this working good with ubuntu?01:15
linux_mafialypanov, no, from universe01:15
lypanovohh :>01:15
lypanovcus i was wondering what the heck i was gonna use to burn cds :)01:15
JDlypanov: what do you want KDE for :)01:15
lypanovactually i don't :)01:16
lypanovits a headless box i'm making :P01:16
polokhow would one get sound working in ubuntu?01:16
linux_mafiai've always been a gnome user, since my first distro, but i love k3b01:16
bitserfsabdfl: would be nice if i could use my iPod out of the box in Hoary :)01:16
gommansJD: Do you prefer gnome?01:16
sabdflbitserf: hmm... have you tried plugging it in to a warty box?01:17
JDgommans: I used to help package KDE in debian01:17
gommansso you prefer KDE?01:17
gommansI have used KDE and had issues with gnome under mepis.01:18
JDgommans: it was more of a joke cos lypanov does (or did) KDE development aiui01:18
lypanovdoes/did :) still not sure :)01:18
gommanslypanov: how does gnome compare to kde?01:19
bitserfsabdfl: yep, i can see the IEEE1394 log entries, but nothing additional in /proc/scsi01:19
lypanovgommans: i prefer kde :)01:19
gommansdoes it run good in ubunt?01:19
gommansdoes it run good in ubuntu?01:19
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polokif ubuntu has sound enabled, do I need to create a symlink to /dev/dsp to get these programs to work properly?01:19
sabdflbitserf: chat to pitti, when he's online, he might get that working for warty01:19
bitserfso, adding universe to sources.list is equivalent to using sid on debian?01:20
azeemlypanov: you can burn CDs via nautilus, if you didn't kow01:20
azeemeh, know01:20
sabdflpolok: symlink from where?01:20
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sabdflseb128: can you confirm eagle-usb has been added to the ship or base lists?01:20
seb128matt has added eagle-utils to the ship seed yesterday 01:21
gommanshow is ubutu hw-detection?01:21
poloksabdfl: from whichever device is sound to /dev/dsp01:21
sabdflpolok: i think /dev/dsp is created when the alsa oss-compat mixer module is loaded01:22
sabdflseb128: good call, thank you01:22
lypanovazeem: iso's? dvd's? etc?01:22
seb128np :)01:22
poloksabdfl: how would I do that? if you don't mind :)01:23
lypanovazeem: think i'll prob stick to command line :) just as easy as finding an altnerative to k3b i think :)01:23
sabdflpolok: try sudo modprobe snd-mixer-oss01:23
azeemlypanov: you can burn .iso files via the context menu, AFAIK01:23
sabdflbefore that, check if it's already loaded, using lsmod01:23
azeemlypanov: copying CDs, mastering DVDs and anything more complicated sucks in GNOME ATM :-/01:24
poloksabdfl: it's running but I still can't get sound01:26
polokit works fine with gentoo/debian/fedora (the other distros I've emmigrated from)01:26
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sabdflpolok: do you also have snd-pcm-oss?01:26
polokwait, yes01:27
polokboth are being run01:28
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sabdflpolok: but you don't have a /dev/dsp?01:33
bitserfsabdfl: scratch that, after a reboot my iPod is visible as /dev/sdb :)01:34
bitserftho, is this bad? "hda: IRQ probe failed (0xfffffdfe)". first time i've seen that...drive was working an hour ago, but not visible in ubuntu :)01:35
sabdflbitserf: and is it mounted under /media/?01:36
poloksabdfl: I don't have a /dev/dsp01:36
sabdflpolok: anything in dmesg or /var/log/syslog about dsp?01:36
bitserfsabdfl: would this be the iPod or the hdd?01:37
sabdflbitserf: the ipod01:37
bitserfsabdfl: nope...should it be?01:37
sabdflbitserf: try01:37
sabdflunmounting it and unplugging it01:37
sabdflthen plug it in again01:37
sabdflwhile you are logged in01:38
sabdflto X01:38
poloksabdfl: it says nothing about dsp01:38
sabdflpolok: that's about as much as I thought I knew about alsa, i'm afraid01:39
sabdflpolok: hey, do you have a printer port?01:39
poloksabdfl: yep01:39
sabdflhmm... there were some reports that the printer port could interfere with sound on some machines01:40
gommansdaniels: Jack is that you my friend?01:40
poloksabdfl: :|01:40
poloksabdfl: were there solutions?01:41
sabdfltry blacklisting lp, parport and parport_pc i think in /etc/hotplug/blacklist01:41
sabdfland rebooting01:41
sabdflyou should then not have tose modules loaded at all01:41
sabdflthen let us know if it works01:41
polokok then01:41
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lizoh yay..it blooming works01:42
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polokbrb rebootibg01:43
gommansAny former mepis users here?01:45
bitserfsabdfl: woot! sdb2 mounted automatically. now i just need to make it so gtkpod starts up when that particular device is mounted :)01:45
lizanyone using xchat to connect to irc?01:46
lizmine doesnt seem to want to work01:47
lizim using gaim at the moment01:47
mike_wI'm using xchat01:48
slickyme 2 xchat01:48
vincentxchat also01:48
lizi installed ubuntu today ..and for some reason, it wont connect using xchat01:48
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mike_wmine takes a while to connect.. always seems to hang on "checking ident" though...01:49
lizmine doesnt even get that far01:49
lizsays i misspelled it01:49
lizno matter which one i try to connect to..even if i try to add a new server and join that one..01:50
mike_wsays you misspelled what?01:50
lizit just wont connect01:50
lizthe server name..the default ones that are listed on xchat01:50
lizother weird thing is01:50
lizi can connect to http://www.ubuntulinux.org01:51
lizbut wont let me connect to wiki.ubuntu.com01:51
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lizin my browser01:52
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sabdflbitserf: there you go, and six months ahead of schedule, too ;-)01:54
mike_whmm.. my system just locked up, totally unresponsive. dunno what caused it (!)01:54
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truk-awayliz: wiki.ubuntulinux.org01:55
polokthat didn't work the way I wanted01:55
azeemmike_w: perhaps there's something in /var/log/ after you reboot which gives you hints01:55
lypanovgrub doesn't go second stage on my new system  ::(:(:(:(:(01:55
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azeem/var/log/syslog or /var/log/kern.log01:55
bitserfanyone else had any problems with an intel i875p chipset dropping devices on the floor?01:55
poloksabdfl: well I have /dev/dsp01:55
lizTruk-away nope, that doesnt work either01:55
lypanovanyone tried lvm during install?01:55
poloksabdfl: it's just not letting me use it01:55
lypanovi can't create volume groups01:55
polokit says it's busy01:55
lypanovit keep son saying that there are no partitions to use01:56
sabdflpolok: i think esd grabs it. which app are you trying to use01:56
lypanovi've tried having a large unmounted partition. that doesn't work01:56
bitserflypanov: i had to modify the root () line of grub01:56
lypanovand i've tried unpartitioning. but no luck01:56
lypanovbitserf: oopsie01:56
poloksabdfl: just the media player that comes with gnome01:56
truk-awayliz: it works for me01:56
lypanovbitserf: i just wiped it all doh :(01:56
lypanovbut stage2 ain't working01:57
lypanovso the install was buggered in fact01:57
lypanovgonna try lilo this time :)01:57
lizit works for me on the other machine..but just wont work on here..and i dont know why01:57
lypanovbut anyone got lvm install working?01:57
lizi had the same problem on slackware01:57
mike_wazeem: sorry, fairly new to linux. There are some errors in syslog though (e.g. Device 'i823650' does not have a release() function, it is broken and must be fixed.01:59
mike_w ; & Badness in device_release at drivers/base/core.c:8501:59
azeemmike_w: did you reboot in the meantime?02:00
mike_wazeem: just rebooted 2 mins ago (had to use the reset button)02:00
azeemthen try to get the last message, before syslog get reactivated again (usually, you get loads of messages during that first second, and there is a time-hole before)02:00
mike_wazeem: bottom of file? top of file?02:01
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lypanovhow small is custom?02:02
azeemmike_w: towards, the bottom, but all the way at the bottom, all the messages from the last reboot will be02:02
bitserfaha. it seems that because my boot device was serial-ata, ide-disk module doesn't get loaded, and hence, the device node created. for the interested: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=156902:02
azeemmike_w: so go to the bottom, and back from there02:02
mike_wazeem: how bout this? [fglrx:firegl_unlock]  *ERROR* Process 4666 using kernel context 002:03
azeemsounds promising02:04
azeemis there some more around that?02:04
mike_wthis after: mtrr: 0xd8000000,0x4000000 overlaps existing 0xd8000000,0x20000002:04
mike_wand this before: [fglrx]  AGP detected, AgpState   = 0x00000000 (hardware caps of chipset)02:04
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mike_w[fglrx:firegl_addmap]  *ERROR* mtrr allocation failed (-22)02:05
azeemmike_w: well, if this is the last you see in the log (followed by something like 'Syslog restart') it is good enough to file a bug report02:05
azeemwouldn't hurt to add some more lines before that to be sure02:06
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mike_wazeem: that error was after syslogd 1.4.1#14ubuntu4: restart.02:07
azeemmike_w: hmm02:09
azeemso it's from after the reboot02:09
azeemmike_w: well, with 'after' you mean 'further towards the end of the file', right?02:09
azeembest to check the timestamps02:10
mike_wazeem: yeah - I seem to get that error each boot, it maybe wasn't what locked the system?02:10
azeemno, it wasn't02:11
azeemperhaps you find something in another file, but I think it's common that lockups don't get logged, as it's too late for syslog to write to disk02:11
mike_wthink you're right there - restart was at 12:52:39, there was a --MARK-- at 12:42:32, last entry before that was at 12:24:0302:12
mike_wwhat was the other log file to check?02:12
azeemsyslog, kern.log, daemon.log, debug02:13
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mike_wnothing in debug02:14
mike_wincidentally, is the following a problem at all: .Xauthority is not owned by uid 1000.02:15
azeemno idea, but I guess you'd have bigger trouble if it was02:16
mike_wheh - yeah I guess :P 02:16
mike_wwell none of those logs have any entries between 12:22:41 and 12:52:39, with the exception of --MARK-- in syslog. Take it the error was unrecorded then?02:17
azeemyeah :(02:17
mike_wpah. Maybe my ATI drivers are causing probs though?02:18
azeemif it happens again, try to see whether you were doing something specific at that time, and then mail ubuntu-users of file a bug02:18
polokhow do I find out which program is using /dev/dsp and stop it?02:18
azeemmike_w: one thing you could do is try to login via SSH, if you have access to a computer which is networked to your box02:18
mike_wit's actually happened before, went to screensaver a while ago and locked up (black screen)02:18
azeemhmm, maybe try disabling the screensaver then02:19
mike_wthis time I was just logging into irc via gaim at the time 02:19
mike_wso unstable somehow02:19
azeemwell, it could be hardware problems, like bad memory02:19
mike_wand the screensaver was fine this morning02:19
mike_wdon't have another box :( have 2x256MB matched PC2100 DDR (samsung)02:20
mike_wnot had any probs with the RAM, but am suspicous of the ati driver02:20
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Qerubpolok: lsof /dev/dsp02:22
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Qerubbitserf: Is Herbert Xu a Canonical Software employee?02:25
bitserfi'm not sure, as i don't work for Canonical :)02:26
Qerubbitserf: Hmm. I don't know why I directed that question at you.02:27
polokQerub: ta02:28
Qerubpolok: np02:28
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azeemQerub: no, but he works on contractual basis, AFAIK02:28
bitserfanyone know which font is being used here: http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/2004/indubstrial/ ?02:28
Qerubazeem: Ah, thanks.02:29
polokthat was weird02:30
polokubuntu didn't have gcc/g++02:30
truk-awaypolok: sudo apt-get install gcc02:30
joebeastienot installed by default02:31
polokI installed it02:31
polokI just was shocked it wasn't installed by default02:31
azeemwhy should it?02:31
truk-awaysudo aptitude install build-essential02:31
polokthanks though truk-away 02:31
polokazeem: most linux distributions have it02:31
Qerubpolok: no doubt that's a feature02:31
azeempolok: well yeah, but it's a feature02:31
truk-awaypolok: ubuntu is desktop target, no needs of gcc by default02:32
azeempolok: most users don't need it, and most hackers would like to have it02:32
polokI need it for uni work.02:32
truk-awayso install it, it's easy02:32
poloktruk-away: I did02:32
truk-awaypolok: so enjoy it ;)02:32
polokagain, it's the first distro I've seen that didn't come with it by default02:33
polokhowever, it came with python02:33
polokmuch fun will be had with python02:33
truk-awayi think it's good idea gcc not installed by default02:33
polokI'm indifferent02:33
polokit's just a surprise02:33
truk-awaywe all here are different02:33
azeempolok: well, the python maintainer is also the gcc maintainer, and he works at canonical02:34
polokI noticed when trying to compile fluxbox02:34
truk-awaybut for newbies, it's good02:34
azeempolok: so there's no conspiracy against gcc :)02:34
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joebeastiewho exactly is canonical?02:34
polokazeem: if there was, I'd just choose another distro, niceness of choice :D02:35
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mike_wok, here's a question. How do I enable NTP support?02:41
truk-awayntp support is enabled by default, as i know02:42
Qerubmike_w: ntpdate?02:42
mike_wntpdate says "no servers can be used, exiting". Trying to do it through computer--> system config --> time gives "NTP support is not running"02:43
mike_wjust need to know the commmand to get it running really02:43
Qerubmike_w: /etc/default/ntpdate?02:44
mike_wdoesn't exist02:45
lypanovlilo workx :>02:45
mike_wQerub: erm... sorry, yes it does!02:45
mike_wQerub: NTPSERVERS="pool.ntp.org"  NTPOPTIONS="-u"02:46
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linux_mafiamike_w, sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate start02:46
mike_wlinux_mafia: tnxs!02:47
linux_mafiamike_w, that work?02:47
sabdflpolok: we deliberately chose not to install build-essential (my call)02:48
sabdfl99% of our users never need it02:48
azeemsabdfl: you know your users well :)02:48
sabdfland it's on the cd by default for the moment, so you don't need to go to the net if you need it02:48
mike_wlinux_mafia: worked in the command line, still not in the gui tho02:48
azeemI totally think it's the right decision, of course02:49
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poloksabdfl: I don't like that for now02:49
polokyou're not going to cater for us selfish programmers? :(02:49
azeempolok: uhm, it's on the CD02:49
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azeempolok: build-essential isn't installed by default on Debian, either, AFAIK02:50
polokazeem: but he said it's on the cd for now02:50
azeemyou need to install some packages as well there02:50
polokazeem: it is on gentoo02:50
azeempolok: oh, so you can argue about it when they remove it :)02:50
azeempolok: yeah, but it's gentoo's raison d'etre02:51
polokazeem: yeah, that was the whole point of the "I don't like..." message :)02:51
linux_mafiamike_w, from what i understand from the error, i get it too, is that if you run an ntp server on your box, it syncs yours to another, but ntpdate is not an ntp server, just an update and sync mechanism, so there isn't ntp support really02:51
polokazeem: it needs a better one02:51
polokazeem: something like "we'll speed up all compile time, don't worry it won't take over a day to compile openoffice"02:51
lypanovyay :>02:52
mike_wlinux_mafia: ahh, okay. Don't need to run a server, but how do I make it sync the time on boot?02:52
polokthe bloody thing runs faster under ubuntu and it's a binary package I assume, too02:52
linux_mafiamike_w, it does by default afaik, well in my case anyway02:52
lypanovpolok: gentoo has a binary openoffice package also :)02:53
mike_wlinux_mafia: okay, thanks. Will try and pay more attention next boot. Is there something similar to red hat's "services" dialog though, that lets you choose which services to start on boot?02:54
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linux_mafiamike_w, install rcconf, or in debian you can install chkconfig, not sure about ubuntu though02:55
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lypanovubuntu rocks :)02:55
lypanovdaniels: me impressed :)02:55
linux_mafiamike_w, rcconf is easiest though, cli curses based tool02:55
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mike_wlinux_mafia: that in universe?02:55
azeemmike_w: update-rc.d is the Debian way02:56
linux_mafiamike_w, not sure02:56
linux_mafiaazeem, is rcconf not a debian tool?02:57
azeemlinux_mafia: dunno, never heard of it02:57
azeemlinux_mafia: yeah, seems so :)02:57
mike_wazeem: how would I use update-rc.d to add a service to be started at boot?02:58
azeemmike_w: there's an manpage, 'man update-rc.d'02:58
azeemmike_w: rcconf might be easier, dunno02:58
joebeastiewow. first time i have seen rcconf02:59
mike_wazeem: thanks02:59
linux_mafiamike_w, forget what he said, rcconf is tui debian frontend to update-rc.d, there is nothing un1337 about not hacking on the cli02:59
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aki_how can i watch movies in avi format? burn home movies in avi as vcd/svcd?03:02
mike_wlinux_mafia: found rcconfig in universe, doesn't have an ntpdate option though03:02
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bitserfaki: mplayer supports virtually every codec known to man :)03:03
aki_bitserf: marrilat repository? does it work on ubuntu?03:03
aki_what about burning to CD?03:04
bitserfaki: hmm...should do, it works on my sid box...ubuntu warty is just a snapshotted sid03:04
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joebeastieaki_: i have wondered the same03:05
linux_mafiamike_w, youre right, odd03:05
mike_wlinux_mafia: ah well, thanks anyway. Need to go now03:06
linux_mafiajoebeastie, i got w32codecs package from marillat, works fine for watching avi03:06
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bitserfaki: stock totem seems to work on xvid/divx files for me03:07
aki_do the codecs work with totem or do i need mplayer03:07
linux_mafiajoebeastie, dunno if its sorted now, but installing totem-xine instead of totem-gstreamer fixed alot of problems for people, though i think that was watching dvds03:08
bitserfaki: totem-xine uses xine backend, which supports the win32codecs package03:08
aki_does k3b burn VCDs?03:08
linux_mafiaaki_, yes03:08
bitserfi think /usr/lib/win32 is the default location xine looks for it03:08
grahameanyone managed to get totem to play DVDs?03:09
linux_mafiabitserf, thats correct03:09
linux_mafiagrahame, yes03:09
aki_bitserf: cool. do i need t deinstall totem-gstreamer if i use totem-xine?03:09
grahamelinux_mafia: GStreamer-WARNING **: pushing data on non-negotiated pad mpegdemux0:private_1, not allowed.03:09
azeemaki_: they conflict, AFAIK03:09
|trey|grahame: apt-get install totem-xine if you haven't already  :)03:09
grahameah, right.03:09
grahameI thought they were keen actually using gstreamer :)03:09
linux_mafiagrahame, install totem-xine, get libdvdcss package from marillat repo03:09
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linux_mafiagrahame, then bob is a guy who had sex with your aunty03:10
grahamelinux_mafia,|trey|: thanks03:10
|trey|grahame: for extra measure... search apt-get.org for 'w32codecs' and add the source that states "marillat" to your sources.list... then apt-get install w32codecs ffmpeg03:10
grahame|trey|, shouldn't need w32codecs just to play stock DVDs though :)03:11
|trey|grahame: but its handy to have the extra codecs around...03:11
linux_mafiagrahame, yeah thats just for covering all your base03:11
|trey|grahame: everything from Quicktime to Real to MS's codecs should work...03:11
linux_mafiathe css package is really the most important though03:12
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Xordan:/ Getting a 'kenel not found in API'/'no kernel found for this system' error while installing on athlon64. I've got the right distro, and the MD5 is correct03:13
|trey|Every day I have at least 10 packages to upgrade... I heart Ubuntu  8)03:14
XordanI wish I could install it :/03:15
|trey|Xordan: able to install Debian? you really just need 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted'03:16
|trey|Just choose "install packages manually" when asked...03:17
XordanI havn't tried debian, I didn't see a 64-bit version on their site03:17
|trey|Xordan: AMD64 works... not official yet though... http://www.debian.org/ports/03:18
Xordanok thanks03:18
slickythanks for the tip on XINE and codecs, works like a charm!03:18
|trey|slicky: yw  :)03:19
|trey|Xordan: AMD64 is considered by many to be stable... however it was decided that Sarge wouldn't be held back to get it in  :/03:19
bitserfhmm, interesting. is tom lord employed by canonical?03:20
linux_mafiawhos "tom lord", sounds like a porn star name, heh03:20
azeembitserf: ugh, why do you think that?03:21
|trey|linux_mafia: hahah, my thoughts exactly 03:21
azeembitserf: because people of the arch community are employed? :)03:21
Xordan|trey|: is there a minimal CD for tha amd64 version of debain?03:21
Xordanor is it a general one03:21
|trey|Xordan: I think there is a d-i netinst for it... hold on03:22
bitserfazeem: indeed :)03:22
XordanI'm installing on a XFS FS, if that matters03:22
aki_TX for xine / codecs / libdvd --> worked great!03:22
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linux_mafiaXordan, all parts xfs?03:24
|trey|Xordan: ahh, nope, I don't see it  :(03:24
aki_can i install ubuntu on an exter. firewire HD for PPC G5?03:24
Qerubwebsite: :-)03:24
websitehi Qerub 03:24
websitehi to all03:25
linux_mafiaXordan, do you have ext3 /boot and xfs / ?03:25
XordanI've got xfs / and then a swap03:25
XordanI don't have a /boot03:26
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XordanI don't see why I can't install unbuntu :/03:26
Qerubwebsite: i can't even find where the splash is located...03:26
Xordanit's like someone has put the wrong kernel in the iso :/03:27
linux_mafiaXordan, there are a couple of bug reports on ubuntu bugzilla about xfs partitions, check those, may help03:27
XordanI've tried on ext3 as well03:27
Xordansame problem03:27
websiteQerub, so are you sure that it is free software?03:27
iDunno^ suggests there's a live CD, anyone know where the image is?03:27
Qerubwebsite: canonical is dedicated to providing only free software or something :-)03:27
websiteok... so03:28
websitedoes anybody know something on usplash or Mad Phat Splash ?03:28
linux_mafiaXordan, oh ok03:28
websitelike where can i find the sources ? ----> alredy looked on google03:28
linux_mafiaXordan, what mobo? sata or ide?03:28
XordanK8N mbobo and ide03:29
XordanEverything seems to go fine unti 80% :s03:30
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linux_mafiaXordan, ok, just did a ubuntu install the other day for a friend, asus k87v deluxe ( is that right?) and a sata drive, amd 64, flawless, i was impressed03:32
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lypanovdaily maybe?03:32
Xordanin what folder is the kernel in on the disk?03:33
bitserfwebsite: it would appear its in design phase? or thats what it looks like from wiki..03:35
Xordanlinux_mafia: the release version?03:35
bitserfhttp://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog_2fusplash ?03:35
websitebitserf, yes i'm reading this page03:36
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websitebut i'm looking for sources (of hte daaemon and the scripts)03:36
bitserfhttp://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog_2fImages: scroll down :)03:36
sabdflwebsite: it didnt make it for warty, we'll get it into the hoary archive and test it properly for the Hoary release03:36
linux_mafiaXordan, no, preview03:37
XordanPreview is what's not working for me :/03:37
Xordancan I do a net install?03:37
websitesabdfl, i'm working to implemets it on debian system03:37
Xordanlike gentoo's?03:38
websitebitserf, i scrolled down but i don't look at the source package03:38
websiteXordan, better than it03:38
sabdflXordan: yes, i think it's possible to do netinst, but you'll have to find someone who knows the magic invocation03:38
bitserfsabdfl: what will be ubuntu policy on patches to upstream sources? kept to a minimum?03:40
sabdflbitserf: publish as soon as we make them, minimalist03:40
bitserfsabdfl: wondering what is the likely hood of possibility to remove metacity minimize animation effect aside from switching wm, as havoc will never make that change :|03:41
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sabdflis it not a gconf pref perhaps?03:41
websitesabdfl, yes, but where can i download the sources?03:44
sabdflwe never made a release, it was too broken03:45
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sabdflwe will release it early during the hoary development cycle so it can get lots of testing03:45
sabdfltalk to npmccallum and sladen03:45
sabdflshould be out within a month or two, once warty is behind us03:46
sabdflcheck the haory feature goals list on the wiki03:46
sabdflhoary, even03:46
Treenaksgah! I miss my emacsish keybindings03:47
Treenaks(ctrl+u, ctrl+k, etc.)03:47
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bitserfsabdfl: there's just one big "disable all effects" knob. oh well :)03:49
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sabdflbitserf: gnome :-P03:49
bitserfdamn, this is nice...like using sid without having to put up with periodic segfaults and loss of critical functionality :)03:50
bitserfcommitting to gnome release dates was a very clever idea03:51
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jsubl2bitserf, yeah that was one of the things that drew me in.  03:53
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danielslypanov: glad to hear it :)03:55
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TreenaksUbuntu is great for learning python.. almost everything is Python-based :)03:58
andrey_Did anyone have success with a prism54 based wireless card on ubuntu?04:00
Xordanin the bit of the install that didn't fail04:02
TreenaksI'm using one right now04:02
TreenaksI only had to download the firmware myself...04:02
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sabdflandrey_: i think that firmware is being added for the final release, you might want to try tomorrow's daily cd04:04
sapso are there people employed to work on this distro full time?04:05
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andrey_Hmm... I'm trying to get it loaded during the install part. But it appears the hotplug system isn't set up properly at that stage...04:05
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andrey_sabdfl: when ubuntu does network detection /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug points to /sbin/hotplug which doesn't exist...04:07
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sabdflandrey_: during the initial install? yes04:07
sabdflwe won't be able to fix that before release04:07
sabdflso that cause problems if you want to install with that as your primary nic04:07
sabdflwe need to fix debian installer a lot to get that bit right, i believe that will be done for hoary04:08
sabdflsee bugzilla for the relevant bugs04:08
andrey_sabdfl: ok. So you're recommending to install without network support and add it in later?04:08
sabdflandrey_: yes04:08
sabdflandrey_: or use a wire :-)04:08
andrey_sabdfl: Ok :) Thanks for your help.04:09
sabdflin fact, it should come up immediately after the first boot during the install04:09
sabdflbecause by then you have hotplug etc in place04:09
sabdflit's just the cd-boot that doesn't have it04:09
sabdflcan cause some ugly problems if eth0/1/2 get switched after that first reboot though04:10
lypanovdaniels: btw. any chance you'll fix the whole apt-get install ruby thing?04:11
lypanovdaniels: it would be wonderful if ubuntu got a proper apt-get command line tool :)04:11
lypanovdaniels: (merging of apt-get and apt-cache, listing of close matches when a pkg doesn't exist, etc)04:11
bitserfcan someone test for me...when you move a window, does the cursor change to an ugly unthemed cross for you as well?04:12
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lypanovbitserf: i tried to move my window but it cracked :(04:13
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WWbitserf: I get a black + (don't know about "ugly unthemed", though)04:13
lypanovi'm serious! why did u tell me to try it? :(04:14
lypanovmy window frame is all screwed up now :(04:14
bitserfWW: it seems inconsistent with the rest of the cursor theme to me..04:14
lypanovi couldn't find the mouse either :( so i tried using my keyboard as a lever to move the window04:14
lypanovby smashing it into it a few times really hard04:14
lypanovand the window cracked :(04:14
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bitserflypanov: right, i'll not ask you to mount or fsck anything then either :)04:15
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lypanovoh. i found the mouse at last :)04:16
bitserfWW: all the other cursors have drop shadows, but the cross doesnt04:16
lypanovmouse is all bloody now :( couldn't use that to move the window either :(04:16
WWbitserf: I see what you mean... everything else is white, with a black outline.04:16
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danielslypanov: aptitude's probably pretty close to what you're after04:19
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lypanovdaniels: headless box :)04:19
danielslypanov: aptitude's console04:20
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danielslypanov: if our ruby packages are lacking, you're always welcome to join up and help fix them :)04:20
lypanovdaniels: probably will do04:21
lypanovdaniels: heard of rpa?04:21
danielscan't say I have, sorry04:21
lypanovdaniels: rpa-base.rubyforge.org (iirc)04:21
lypanovdaniels: ruby production archive04:21
lypanovdaniels: like. a maintained cpan :)04:21
lypanovdaniels: (i.e with debian quality q&a)04:21
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bitserflypanov: perhaps a virtual package should be created that mirrors a stock matz ruby installation04:22
toothpickSynaptic doesn't look anything like what I am familiar with in ubuntu.04:22
lypanovbitserf: yup. double and tripple nod04:22
bitserflypanov: i'm working on a script that will generate .deb/.rpm from RPA ports for peepz who want to take snapshots04:22
toothpickIt doesn't have stuff categorized by game and such.04:22
toothpickit just is one huge massive list of files.04:22
lypanovbitserf: sweet. i was just thinking of doing the same :P04:22
bitserflypanov: perhaps we could join forces :)04:23
lypanovbitserf: could we have a apt-source on the rpa site then?04:23
lypanovbitserf: i'm very interested in testing and being a critic if your in need :P)04:23
lypanovbitserf: but not sure if i can put too much time into coordinated work at the moment unfortunately04:23
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WWtoothpick:  Hmmm... I my Synaptic, the left panel shows Sections.04:24
WWs/I my/In my/04:24
lypanovbitserf: how far along are you?04:24
toothpickI'll run it again and check04:24
bitserflypanov: great...i've got a 140loc script that generates .rpm atm, as that was very easy...but i'm working on doing it properly now with support in RPA proper for platform-specific output04:24
lypanovbitserf: very nice04:25
bitserflypanov: i'd say a day or two of uninterrupted hacking04:25
lypanovbitserf: are there rpm bindings for ruby btw?04:25
lypanovor debian04:25
toothpickww I see...I have to change it to sections...before it must have defaulted to that.04:25
lypanovi don't fancy switching to a rpm distro :)04:25
bitserflypanov: nah, but no need for that...just call out to 'rpmbuild'. Debian will be a first class citizen though, have no fear. :)04:25
lypanovbitserf: e.g, having the ability to script system mirroring  in ruby would just rock :)04:25
lypanovbitserf: yay :>04:26
bitserflypanov: the interesting problems arise when you want the generated packages to be dependency-correct for the target distro. especially if they're not pure-ruby, but C extension modules :>04:26
bitserfanyhow, lets not hijack this channel =)04:26
lypanovbitserf: yer thats the evil part of course :|04:27
lypanovhow do i use the debian non-us keychain pkg?04:27
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jeedeeAnyone has a clue why the installer can't mount my cd? (After the country select)04:37
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lypanovumm dum di da04:43
lypanovis keychain in universe maybe?04:43
lypanovarchive. is kinda slow here :(04:44
lypanovgzip: stdin: not in gzip format04:44
lypanovErr http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Sources04:44
lypanov  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)04:44
JanneMwrong time of day, really04:44
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toothpickAfter installing new items with apt-get how do I add them to my gnome menus automatically or do I need to manually add them?04:45
toothpickfor example gcompris04:45
JanneMif they are set up for it, they should add themselves automagically04:45
JanneMmost gnome and kde apps are04:46
toothpickok thanks04:46
JanneMif not, you will need to create a .desktop file yourself04:46
toothpicklike chromium is a fun game that wasn't added04:46
deFryskman this ditro rocks04:46
deFryskdistro even04:47
JanneMeven though it is prerelease, it does have a feel of being done _right_04:47
toothpickThe fonts are nie.04:48
toothpicknice rather.04:48
deFryskwaiting for xorg and its complete04:48
lypanovJanneM: its because they have a clue :)04:49
lypanovyay :>04:49
lypanovkeychain in universer :>04:49
toothpickWill xorg have newer fonts?04:49
slickyhow do I mount a USB pocket-drive?04:50
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deFrysktoothpick, and transparency support04:50
deFryskdebian on steroids :)04:51
slickydmesg tells me: USB Mass Storage device found at 6804:52
sanitarioslicky: shouldn't it be auto-mounted? 04:54
sanitarioslicky: check Computer -> Disks04:54
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zack_I need some help04:57
zack_with Ubuntu04:57
zack_can someone help?04:58
sanitariozack_: try to say what you need help with instead04:59
zack_ok. I wanted to know if there is anyway I can change APT-GET to install things from the DEBAIN database instead of from the UBUNTU database. I want to download prgrams04:59
sanitariozack_: it's not recommended, check the faq05:01
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slickystill no luck with USB pocket-drive05:05
_axelhmm, i cant get nautilus to thumbnail my videos, even though i have gnome-media installed... i think this is related to me removing totem yesterday... is there any gconf key i must change or what?05:05
slickya process usb.agent keeps running up the cpu every few minutes05:06
slickydmesg reads it as SCSI instead of sda, is this the way it should be?05:07
Treenaksslicky: what do you think the "s" in "sda" stands for?05:07
slicky?? slicky maybe??05:07
Treenaksit should tell you something like05:08
sanitario_axel: I think you could do a dpkg-reconfigure nautilus, and choose not to use totem? 05:08
Treenaksscsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices05:09
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Treenaks  Vendor: Apacer    Model: DISC Steno CF     Rev: 042005:09
Treenaks  Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 0205:09
TreenaksAttached scsi removable disk sda at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 105:09
TreenaksUSB Mass Storage device found at 605:09
Treenaks(something like that, with your device's parameters..)05:09
slickyyes, indeed. Something like that05:09
_axelsanitario: hmm, it doesnt ask me anything05:09
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sanitario_axel: no, I noticed that now also... it does in debian, old habits die hard05:10
slickyI just don't have the good sense to know how to mount it ;(05:10
Treenaksslicky: nautilus should do that automagically..05:10
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_axelsanitario: yup, same here05:10
Treenaksslicky: you may want to upgrade to the latest warty packages (it's still changing a bit..)05:11
_axelsanitario: thing is, i found this gconf key, /desktop/gnome/thumbnailers/video@x-avi/command which is set to totem-video-thumbnailer, but t-v-t is gone because i removed totem, but gst-video-thumbnailer doesnt seem to be installed either and i dont know what package provides it05:11
slickyI'm using fluxbox WM, guess I should go back to gnome for nautilus.05:12
slickythanks for the help05:12
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zack_ alright. I looked at the FAQ and I (do) want to do it. How do I do it??05:13
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scognitohi all05:14
zack_will someone tell me how to add debian sources to my APT-GET list?05:16
zack_i want to download from debian05:16
scognitozack_, add them at the bottom of your /etc/apt/sources.list 05:17
scognito(i think)05:17
zack_how do I do that?05:17
scognitobtw anjuta is not in ubuntu...what i have to do? add debian sources.list or wait?05:17
sanitarioscognito: anjuta is in universe05:18
sanitarioI think05:18
scognitozack_, open /etc/apt/sources.list with your favourite editor05:18
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scognitoand add those line at the bottom of file05:18
scognitoi missed something then, going to the site to look what universe s..05:18
Marbleany repository with mplayer compiled for ubuntu?05:18
sanitarioscognito: uncomment the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list including universe and run apt-get update 05:19
sanitario_axel: maybe gstreamer-player-nautilus is what you need? 05:21
Chriffergah this clicking problem is really annoying now05:21
scognitook tnx sanitario05:21
sanitario_axel: or gstreamer0.8-player-nautilus05:22
sanitario_axel: don't know the difference05:22
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Maydayfor you xmms ppl: http://anka.org/henrik/humanxmms05:26
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frozenhello i wanted to ask if there are some more servers that i can apt-get from, besides ubuntu.org?05:28
thomfrozen: there's a list of mirrors on the web site05:29
Maydayfrozen: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Archive05:29
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PeaceableFroodHas anyone had any sucess with Xorg 6.8.1, mine compiles sucessfully but when I go to start up gnome all I get is a blank screen05:36
cybrjackle|lappymine kept locking X up05:39
PeaceableFroodyeah that also happens05:40
PeaceableFroodhasn't happened on any other disto i used, just ubuntu05:40
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=== Mayday has a good tip: stick to the X the dist comes with :)
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PeaceableFroodI want me drop shadows though :P05:42
psyklopsI support choice05:42
PeaceableFroodits also a learning experiance for myself05:42
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Maydayi want a stable X :)05:43
psyklopsheh... until 5 mins ago, gnome refused to stop the splash screen05:43
Treenakspsyklops: I have that... until I click it05:43
psyklopsfound out it had something to do with ~.gnome2/session05:43
TreenaksI think it has something to do with sloppy focus05:43
psyklopsso I deleted it05:43
psyklopsand now it starts smooth05:44
psyklopssome program in there was causing it... I don't know what05:44
psyklopsthats the bug right there05:45
psyklopsI have another problem at the moment05:46
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psyklopsmy forwarding script is not working... and I don't have the understanding of its workings to fix it05:46
psyklopsso my other computer isn't online05:46
psyklopsthis is in dmesg05:47
psyklopsFORWARD packet died: IN=eth0 OUT=eth0 SRC= DST= LEN=5 1 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=111 ID=9787 PROTO=UDP SPT=6348 DPT=6348 LEN=3105:47
psyklopseth1: no IPv6 routers present05:47
psyklopseth0: no IPv6 routers present05:47
defendguindoes ubuntu inclue binary dirvers for things such as wireless cards?05:47
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psyklops... wait... in and out are the same...05:47
psyklopsshould they be the same?05:47
psyklopsshould be in eth0 out eth1... I'd think05:48
psyklopsanyone got an idea?05:49
psyklopsmaybe another channel would be more relevent eh05:49
Treenakspsyklops: what are you trying to do?05:51
psyklopsit USED to forward packets from eth0 to eth1 (and then to the other computer)05:52
psyklopsnow its not05:52
Treenakspsyklops: how did you create this rule?05:53
psyklopswith some automated script generator05:54
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igsteri think i did something really dumb05:55
igsteri accidentally removed the sudo package :|05:55
igsteram i screwed?05:55
igsteryes, major oops05:55
igsterthought i was upgrading05:55
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lothariohelp me please...05:56
lotharioI just did an upgrade and now can't boot into Ubuntu05:56
psyklopsyou too eh...05:57
moyogothat doesn't sound good05:57
lothariothere was a message about error on line 15 or some such...05:57
igsterany chance i can recover from this?05:57
moyogoigster: can you boot in single-user mode?05:57
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lypanovigster: reboot and start with "linux init=bin/sh"05:58
lypanov /bin/sh/05:58
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igsterok.  i'll give it a try.  thanks.05:59
bolivarcan one change the color thats displayed in the background when the splash screen is loading?05:59
lypanovdoes "single" require passwd in ubuntu?06:00
lypanovbecause if it does you won't get in :)06:00
thomno, we're not that stupid06:00
thomif the password is locked, you get in :-)06:00
thomif the password is not locked, you get asked06:00
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WWlothario: Do you happen to know which packages were upgraded?  I upgraded a little while ago, but I haven't rebooted since.  Maybe I shouldn't...06:03
lotharioI don't have the list handy, but more than 50 were upgraded06:03
TreenaksI keep seeing ";))" when I look at the "wireless connection" thingy in my panel06:04
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igsterjust wanted to pop back in and say thanks.  :-)06:05
WWDoes synaptic (or apt) have a log, so I can see what was updated when?06:05
lypanovigster: worked? :)06:05
lypanovthom: lol06:05
lypanovthom: clever guys :)06:05
igsterit did work lypanov06:05
lypanovigster: linux single would also work :)06:05
Treenakshey! why does ubuntu use xpdf instead of gpdf by default?06:06
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PeaceableFroodseemed I fixed my Xorg problem06:06
lothariowhat did you do igster??06:06
WWTreenaks: That's in a faq on the wiki06:06
PeaceableFroodhad to do with the mouse being pointed to the wrong device06:06
TreenaksWW: oh wait.. wiki != main site06:07
lypanovlothario: reboot with "single"06:07
igsterlothario: i removed sudo by accident :/06:07
lypanovlothario: then fix the broken file :)06:07
lothariowhat is the broken file??06:07
igstergotta run.  thanks again.  06:07
lypanovi don't know :)06:07
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Treenaksis it possible to add a "item count" to directories on my desktop, without making my ~ the desktop?06:12
WWHas anyone else had trouble rebooting after a recent upgrade?06:12
defendguinhmmm i guess i got disconnected06:12
defendguinim trying to install ubuntu on my laptop and it is not detecting my wireless card and it is saying that i may need to load a modulefor my card but when i go back to that step it does not allow me to manually do anything06:13
defendguini feel that if i get a chance to load the right module it will work but i need that oppertunity. how can i manually load a kernel module during the install  to get my wireless card working06:13
Treenaksdefendguin: what kind of card do you have?06:13
WWgrub was in my most recent upgrade, and that got borked, it would be bad.  Maybe I'll wait awhile before rebooting.06:14
Treenaksdefendguin: you can only install if your card does not require loading firmware06:14
WWs/and that/and if that/06:14
defendguinTreenaks, its a linksys WPC11 ver 406:15
defendguinsome people have had success with the tulip driver06:15
Treenaksdefendguin: you're trying to install via wireless?06:16
defendguinwell i dont have a ethernet port06:16
Treenaks('the tulip driver' is for wired network cards..)06:16
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defendguinthats what the linksys site says concerning this card06:17
Treenaksok.. WPC11.. is that wireless or not?06:17
Treenakswhich chipset?06:17
WWlothario: I figured out my recent updates by looking at the dates of the files in /var/cache/apt/archives06:17
Treenaksdefendguin: prism2? madwifi? prism54?06:17
WWlothario: eg.  ls -l | grep "Sep 25"06:18
defendguin realtek 8180 chipset06:18
Treenaksdefendguin: that won't work, realtek requires ndiswrapper06:18
Treenaksor whatever it's called06:18
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WWDoh! lothario ain't here...06:18
defendguinTreenaks, the disk has enough on it for a full debian install?06:19
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defendguinfull gnome06:19
gommansI want to try ubuntu.06:19
Treenaksgommans: go ahead :)06:20
gommansHow can I create a backup of my entire linuxpartition?06:20
Treenaksdefendguin: the disk is enough for a full install, but ndiswrapper is not part of that06:20
Treenaksgommans: where do you want to abckup to?06:20
Treenaksgommans: another disk? tape? CD-ROM?06:20
gommanshd or dvd06:20
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gommansshoud I use dd?06:21
defendguinTreenaks, so i really dont "need" a network connection for an install06:21
Treenaksgommans: no, there's something with cpio06:21
Treenaksgommans: first, create a partition that's large enough and format it06:22
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WWlothario: I found out that grub was updated with my last upgrade.06:22
gommansa new partition?06:22
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gommanscan't I use a live-cd (I run mepis atm)?06:22
lotharioWW, any suggestions on what I should change mine to??06:22
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Treenaksgommans: you could06:23
gommanscan I use dd then?06:23
Treenaksgommans: you could also install ubuntu on that new partition...06:23
lotharioI just changed back to the earlier grub and still couldn't boot into Ubuntu06:23
gommansTreenaks: I do not really have the space on my machine to do that.06:23
Treenaksgommans: you don't have the space to install ubuntu, but you have the space to copy your current install?06:24
mxpxpodmdz: spamassassin is unsupported software?06:24
WWlothario: Sorry, not sure what to do.  I booted OK this morning, and my upgrade since then updated base_files, bash, grub and xresprobe.06:24
gommansTo dvd: yes06:24
gommansdisk: a windows partition I need atm06:24
WWlothario: I recommend continued nudging of experts to see if they can help.06:25
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lotharioI don't understand the error message:06:28
lotharioKernal Panic:VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)06:28
lotharioDo I have to start again and reinstall Ubuntu?06:28
JanneMlothario: that is a kernel crash all right. What happens if you try to reboot?06:32
Deftlothario: what is your kernel command line?06:33
lotharioI run into that error message, it all began after I did an upgrade06:33
lotharioDeft, I'm sorry I don't know what that means06:34
Deftfrom the grub menu, you can press e to edit the config; the line starting "kernel..." is the line that selects the kernel and passes it arguments06:34
lothariokernel   /boot/vmlinuz- root=/dev/hdb1 ro quiet splash06:35
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Deftand what's the root line?06:36
frozeni use UNBUNTU,AMD64,RADEON 9880, LG F700P06:36
frozenand i can't change the resultoin06:36
frozencan anyone please help me?06:36
frozenit don't allow me to change it from 640x48006:37
Deftlothario: the only thing I can think of then is that you device.map isn't correct; can you boot into linux from another install/livecd?06:37
lotharioDeft: I'm operating on a different distro at the moment06:38
Deftthen try mounting your ubuntu root, and checking its /boot/grub/device.map06:38
frozencan anyone help me?06:39
ishdist an apt-get upgrade get new kernrel images?06:39
lotharioIt says: (hd0) /dev/hda   (hd1) /dev/hdb   (hd2) /dev/hdc06:40
Deftlothario: or are you installing grub from the other distro? sorry, should have checked that before06:40
lothariothe other distro uses lilo06:41
bagpussyou'll have p fogive me being unresponsive...I'm up to my armpits in hardware shit/06:41
frozenhello i use UNBUNTU,AMD64,RADEON 9880, LG F700P and i can't change the resultoin can anyone please help me? it don't allow me to change it from 640x48006:41
lothariothe failed reboot was using the grub bootloader06:41
bagpussthe new installer is lovely, but why does expert mode still prompt me as to whether I want to start PCMCIA twice?  Surely once is sufficient06:41
Deftlothario: so you boot from grub to lilo for your other distro?06:42
Treenaksfrozen: it's called ubuntu, and what/how have you tried?06:42
lotharioNo, the grub has this distro as an other OS entry06:42
bagpussand it's now prompted me *three* times to load a floppy module...the system doesn't have a floppy drive06:42
truk-awayKernal Panic:VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)06:42
truk-awayyou said (1,0)06:42
truk-awaythat's wrong06:43
lothariolilo isn't being used, though I'm thinking about reconfiguring it to point at the Ubuntu install 06:43
bagpussooh, third time for PCMCIA as well :(06:43
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frozenTreenaks: first i tryed to change it in gnome it didn't worked then i changed the driver in the X config to: radeon, it didn't worked again.06:43
Deftlothario: uh, ok, it sounds fine in the config files then; you shouldn't need to do any more than reinstall grub (grub-install)06:43
mojoI got same prob06:44
mojokernel panic VFS06:45
WWNow I'm _definitely_ not rebooting!06:45
Treenaksfrozen: does /var/log/XFree86.0.log tell you anything meaningful?06:45
chapeaurougereiserfs4 not compiled into kernel?06:45
frozennope sec i will try it06:45
Deftchapeaurouge: it's not in the kernel at all yet is it?06:46
chapeaurougeDeft: doesn't seem to be... just tried to modprobe it... was wondering if ubuntu had the patch applied.06:46
chapeaurougebc the reiserfs4 userspace utilies are installed.06:46
chapeaurougebut no, it's not in vanilla kernel yet.06:47
frozenTrennaks: all seems to be fine in the XFree86.0.log06:47
frozenbtw it can't detect my monitor06:47
frozenit found my card06:48
Deftfrozen: is yout monitor dvi?06:48
frozeni got: LG f700p06:48
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frozen(**) |   |-->Monitor "Generic Monitor"06:49
frozen(**) |   |-->Device "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon 9800 Pro (R350 NH)"06:49
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Treenaksfrozen: did you select the resolution you want during X configuration?06:50
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Treenaksfrozen: (sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86)06:50
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frozenEnter the amount of memory (in kB) to be used by your video card.06:51
Treenaksfrozen: keep empty06:52
frozenUse kernel framebuffer device interface? 06:52
frozenPlease select the XKB rule set to use.06:52
frozenleave it Xfree86?06:53
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lotharioNo Dice ;(06:53
frozenPlease choose your mouse port. 06:53
Treenaksfrozen: don't change06:53
Treenaksfrozen: change nothing until you arrive at the "monitor" stuff06:54
frozenWrite default Files section to configuration file?  06:54
frozenWrite default DRI section to configuration file?06:55
frozennothing about monitor..06:55
Treenaksnothing about 'what resolution do you want' ?06:56
Deftfrozen: open you /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file06:56
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Deftgo down to the screen section06:56
frozeni'm there06:57
Deftwhat colour depths/resolutions are listed?06:57
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frozendepths: 1 , 4, 8, 15,16,2406:58
frozen             Modes           "1280x800" "1200x800" "1152x864" "1152x768" $06:58
Deftok, it's probably the monitor, go up to that section06:59
frozeni'm there06:59
Deftand check for HorizSync and VertRefresh06:59
frozen        HorizSync       28-3307:00
frozen        VertRefresh     43-7207:00
frozen        Identifier      "Generic Monitor"07:00
Treenakshorizsync is a bit low.. even my ancient monitor had 29--66 there07:00
Deftyeah, they're too low; trying running "sudo xresprobe dummy"07:00
Treenaksbut don't change it, it might fry your monitor07:00
Deftif that doesn't give you any rates, your monitor manual is the best hope07:01
frozenAbudbul:/home/frozen# sudo xresprobe dummy07:01
Treenaksor the windows "driver"07:01
Treenaks(what kind of monitor is it?)07:01
Deftor the lg website07:01
frozenLG F700P07:01
frozenit's a really good monitor..07:02
frozenworks gr8 on win07:02
frozenreally strange :/07:02
Defthave you installed ati binary driver?07:03
frozenyou mean the RPM?07:03
frozeni can't, it's fro i38607:03
frozeni got AMD6407:04
chutwigthe athlon 64 is still an IA32 processor07:04
Deftthe driver is in the ubuntu archive, there are instructions on the site07:04
frozenon the ubuntu site?07:05
frozenit should work with the AMD64?07:05
Treenaksfrozen: the manual on the website says07:05
Treenaks30-98kHz horizontal07:05
Treenaks50-160Hz vertical07:05
Treenaksso that's07:05
TreenaksHorizSync 30-9807:06
TreenaksVertRefresh 50-16007:06
frozenTreenaks: you said it might kill my monitor..07:06
Treenaksthen try again07:06
Treenaksfrozen: these are the values from the LG F700P manual07:07
Treenaksfrozen: which means they should work07:07
Deft(restart with sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart)07:07
frozenso what should i do change the X config or, Download the binary drivers?07:08
Treenaksfrozen: change X config07:08
Treenaksfrozen: then restart gdm07:08
krischanpeople, did anybody install a client for the eDonkey network on Ubuntu? Either by apt-get or manually? More precisely, I'd like to know if can use packages made for Debian.07:09
frozenso i change the conf and then do this cmd: sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart ?07:09
Deftfrozen: I just mention the drivers because you might well be disappointed with the speed until you have them07:09
frozenwhat is GDM?07:10
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frozenlest time i did things like this it fucked my Hd ;/07:10
Deftgdm is the display manager, it provides the login screen and whatever; and makes using X easier07:10
frozenok now i will restart the x and then i will do what you said07:12
bagpussdamn this thing installs a LOT of python stuff07:12
bagpuss123 python* packages07:13
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frozeni saved a file07:13
frozenon the desktop07:13
frozenand when i restarted it disaperd07:13
frozenTreenaks : what was the numbers again?07:14
frozenDeft : what was the command?07:14
Treenaksfrozen: 19:06 < Treenaks> HorizSync 30-9807:15
Treenaks19:06 < Treenaks> VertRefresh 50-16007:15
frozenand the command?07:15
Deftsudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart07:15
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frozenthanks 07:16
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J-Anyone else had trouble installing Ubuntu?  I've got the Bugzilla error report 1751 that someone else filed:  ipw2200 causes infinite loop of death07:17
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jeedeeAnyone has a clue why the installer can't mount the install cd after the country select screen?07:24
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bagpussis universe available as an aptable source as yet?07:25
Deftbagpuss: it always has been07:25
bagpussI can't find any information on the wiki about what the correct source-fu is07:25
Deftjust select the source in synaptic (ie. it's in your sources.list, just commented out)07:26
bagpussah, okay07:27
deFryskmake sure to comment the old one07:27
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bagpusshmm, why?07:28
deFryskdouble repo entry07:28
Deftthe universe source refers to main as well07:28
bagpussand?  That shouldn't be a problem07:28
bagpussah, okay07:28
deFryskgeeze darn autocomplete07:29
bagpussmight be saner to not do that07:30
bagpussoh yuck...cd automount?  How do I turn that off?07:32
bob2bagpuss: computer -> desktop settings -> removable devices07:32
bagpussbob2: from console07:33
bob2bagpuss: the only thing that would be automounting cds is gnome-volume-manager07:33
bagpussguess this is why I don't like gnome :)07:34
bagpussthat's unfair07:34
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bagpussunfair of me to blame gnome because it defaults to something that probably mopst people want (although I don't)07:35
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bagpussah well, another 30 minutes or so and I'll ahve kde :)07:40
bagpussnice installer in the main07:40
scognitoin which package is strict.pm?07:41
scognitoi've perl and perl-base07:41
Deftthe only issue I have with cd auto start, is that most windows cds do something pointless when you put them in07:41
bob2scognito: do you mean for "use strict"?07:42
bagpussscognito: perl-base07:42
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scognitobagpuss, i've it07:42
bagpussscognito: dpkg -S strict.pm07:42
scognitoperl-base: /usr/share/perl/5.8.4/strict.pm07:42
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scognitodon't know why fakeroot doesn't find it07:43
bagpussthet's where it is then07:43
scognitoi have to add this path07:43
scognitobut WHERE? :)07:43
bagpussfakeroot shouldn;t need strict.  It's a shellscript07:44
scognitoCan't locate strict.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc....blah....) at /usr/bin/dh_testdir line 9.07:45
bagpusswhat does that have to do with fakeroot?07:45
scognitooh sorry, i use fakeroot but it isn't its problem07:46
scognitobtw where i can set that path?07:46
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bagpusswhat package are you trying to build?07:46
scognitobtw i got tons of error because i had 0MB left on device07:47
scognitoi need to reboot07:47
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_Hiro_when I click my gaim or terminal icon (on a gnome panel) 2 gaims or 2 terminals open??07:52
_Hiro_how can I stop that07:52
azeemeh, you don't double-click, right?07:52
_Hiro_of course not :)07:52
azeemjust checking :)07:53
_Hiro_1 click opens 2 windows07:53
_axeli think thats a bug in xfree86config iirc07:53
_axelthere's some answer for that in the faq07:53
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_Hiro_nothing in the FAQ :/07:58
tvonIs usb drive mounting working for people?07:58
tvonI heard it should. Just plugged in a thumb drive and its found in daemon.log but its not mounted 07:58
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tvonhal aint workin07:59
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_axel_Hiro_: i think it's related to having 2 different "mouse" sections in /etc/X11/XFree86Config-4 but i cant remember the details, examinate that file08:03
_axel_Hiro_: and backup before changing stuff ;)08:04
_Hiro__axel yes it seems to be X related, I'm searching bugzilla now :)08:04
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=== Mirno vous souhaites le bonjouiiiir
chapeaurougebonjour Mirno 08:06
whiprushfound it _Hiro_ 08:07
Mirnochapeaurouge,   Merci (sorry for the french BTW)08:07
chapeaurougeMirno: np ;) i found it quite amusing ;)08:07
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_Hiro_ah thx a lot, been searching bugzilla but nothing turned up :)08:08
martinkbagpuss: because you have to login if you do more than reading bugs?08:08
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bagpussmartink: yeah...but you surely wouldn't use a secure password for bugzilla08:09
JoshTriplettHi.  I've been a Debian user for a long time, and I wanted to give some feedback after trying out Ubuntu.08:10
danielsJoshTriplett: sure08:10
_Hiro_ah indeed it had 2 mice configured and was using them :s08:10
chapeaurougehmmm.. ncurses-devel not in universe...08:11
martinkbagpuss: next guess: because of the sabdfl's past? ;)08:11
JoshTriplettFirst of all, the good points: excellent installation (most of which was d-i, but I liked the customizations for less questions), and nice initial setup.08:11
JoshTriplettUnfortunately, I had several quibbles with the resulting setup.08:11
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sabdflJoshTriplett: go ahead08:12
JoshTriplettThe default installation seems to hang whenever a power management event occurs, such as closing the lid or unplugging the power.08:12
bagpussmartink: that sounds far more likely. Although given his past, it's strange that the ssl cert and the hostname don't match :)  (presumably that's just not been gotten around to yet)08:12
sivanghowdy all, what's cooking?08:13
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JoshTriplettThe installer easily detected my network card and configured the network, but then chose to install packages via CD.  When I rebooted, it then downloaded 30 minutes worth of updates.  (That's on DSL.)  If it had used the network in the first place, it wouldn't have needed to do that.08:14
sabdflJoshTriplett: intent is to respond sensibly to power management events, but we might get the config exactly right for your hardware, then that'll require tweaking08:15
sabdflping mjg59 or thom08:16
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sabdflJoshTriplett: i think we may be introducing a question "do you want to download updates now" to the installer08:16
JoshTriplettYou have one.08:16
JoshTriplettWhat I'm suggesting is that they not be "updates", but instead that it uses the network if it has it to do the *initial installation*.08:17
sivangsabdfl : i thought this was already combined into the installer; ?08:17
JoshTriplettThat way, I don't have to install everything from CD, then install everything again from network.08:17
sabdflsivang: yes, it's in already, JoshTriplett confirms08:17
JoshTriplettsabdfl: It asked in base-config.08:17
bagpussThe only quibble I have with the installer is it asked me *3* times whether I wanted to start card services and 3 times whether i wanted to load a module for linux-floppy.  Surely once is enough in each case?08:18
JoshTriplettHmmm; no problems there. :)08:18
sabdflJoshTriplett: we copy everything from cd to hdd so the install is quick, and in fact, i don't think it does the install+upgrade, i think it just uses the updated ones rather than the hdd version if you download updates08:18
thomsabdfl: yo?08:18
JoshTriplettsabdfl: Interesting.08:18
sabdflbagpuss: haven't seen that behaviour, could you file a bug in bugzilla.ubuntu.com please?08:18
bagpusssabdfl: okay08:19
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JoshTriplettsabdfl: On the power management issue, were you saying I should ping mjg59 or thom, or were you just trying to do so by mentioning their nicks?08:19
thomJoshTriplett: what laptop08:20
sabdflJoshTriplett: they are the guys you can ask about acpi support on your specific hw08:20
Chriffermy computer had 3 mice configured in XF86Config-4 thaths pretty silly08:20
thomand, have you ever had working acpi support?08:20
JoshTriplettthom: Dell Inspiron 8100.08:20
thomthere are many bugs in our BZ about Dell laptops and power08:20
sivangChriffer : that may help you support all 3 kinds of them, whenever you plug them in or use another one actually ;)08:20
sivangsivang : think if it as playing it safe kind of thing.08:21
danielsJoshTriplett: does your problem go away if you disable DRI?08:21
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danielsif so, thom can sleep easier at night, and your bug is the infamous #125808:21
sivangsabdfl : I am very interested in the pythonian front of ubuntu, do we have a mailing list for this specific team etc? any other resources?08:22
sabdflsivang: no mailing list yet, good idea08:22
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JoshTriplettthom: Sorry about that.  How much did you get?08:23
JoshTriplettthom: I got cut off.08:23
sivangsabdfl : i'd like that very much. What are intentions reagdring this? What about pyhtonizing the inner workings, configurations, mass installs etc?08:24
ChrifferI'll have to see if commenting out the other mice fixes all the multiclick problems08:24
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thomJoshTriplett: last line from you: "< JoshTriplett> thom: Dell Inspiron 8100."08:24
danielsJoshTriplett: we got that you had an Inspiron 8100, which meant that your bugs were probably all related to the ATI driver08:24
sivangChriffer : what kind of problem are you having?08:24
thom19:21 < daniels> JoshTriplett: does your problem go away if you disable DRI?08:24
thom19:21 < daniels> if so, thom can sleep easier at night, and your bug is the infamous #125808:24
Chrifferomg I can click/drag the menus now08:24
danielsJoshTriplett: if disabling DRI (make sure dri, glx and GLcore aren't being loaded in XF86Config-4) fixes the problem, then that's #125808:24
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sabdflsivang: we'll put python wherever we can :-)08:25
JoshTriplettdaniels: I see.  I'll boot into ubuntu again and try that (after it fscks).08:25
danielsJoshTriplett: cool.08:25
ChrifferI had a few whacky pointing problems, doubletap the touchpad and dragging through menu's was picking up things for drag and drop before08:25
danielsi fully expect it's the ati suspend-during-dri snafu08:25
JoshTriplettdaniels: See you in a few minutes.08:25
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ChrifferAnd I ended up with a lot of multiclicks when launching apps08:25
sabdfldaniels: is that with the open source ati driver, or the blob?08:26
danielssabdfl: open-source08:26
danielssabdfl: we have issues up the hizzle with suspending while dri is active (#1258), that I suspect *might* be solved with X.Org08:26
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sabdfldaniels: ok, at least it's fixable by someone we know :-)08:26
danielssabdfl: then again, X.Org seems to break BIOS detection on PowerPC08:26
danielssabdfl: heh :) unfortunately I've never had a laptop with ATI 3D08:26
thomJoshTriplett: #1459 is also a possibility :/08:27
danielssabdfl: (a little too innovative for the Mach64, and I'm being sucked into this X40 rubbish)08:27
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sabdflChriffer: there should only be /dev/input/mice in your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 fila AFAIK08:27
ChrifferI commented out the 2 items that werent listed as touchpad08:27
Chrifferin the layout section I think it was08:27
Chrifferseems to be fine now08:27
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danielsthom: is there arelly anything we can do about bogus dsdt?08:28
thomdaniels: short of laying holy fire down on the laptop manufactures, not really08:30
danielssabdfl: I'd suspect thus that the i810 crash-during-xresprobe thing would be one of the first X hardware bugs to go ;)08:30
danielsthom: yah08:30
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thomSATA disks are terrifyingly cheap08:30
danielsthom: maybe in gbp08:31
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thomdaniels: just bought 400GB for 100GBP08:31
thomhrm, no. 140GBP08:31
danielsthom: !08:31
thom(2x200GB disks)08:31
danielsthat is *ludicrous*.08:31
gommansis xfce4 available for ubuntu?08:31
thomgommans: it's in universe, i believe it built08:32
thomdaniels: cool huh08:32
danielsunfortunately video cards are still stupid expensive08:32
thomsoftware raid here i come ;-)08:32
danielsthe cheapest r4xx I can use is about $au70008:32
danielsheh :)08:32
bagpusswhat "component" does the installer come under?08:32
danielsi got 200GB for about $au16008:32
danielsbagpuss: debian-installer?08:32
Chrifferthe XFce seemed to use the defoult setup08:32
danielsthat wasn't sata, mind08:32
thombagpuss: debian-installer08:33
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JoshTriplettNope, that didn't do it. :(08:34
JoshTriplettStill hung.08:34
JoshTriplettIn /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, I deleted the Load lines for glx and dri, and removed the dri section.08:35
danielsJoshTriplett: look like #1459, maybe08:35
danielsJoshTriplett: you restarted X after you did that, right?08:35
JoshTriplettdaniels: I did it from Debian by chrooting, then booted Ubuntu. :)08:35
danielsah, heh08:36
JoshTriplettdaniels: BTW, you need to update your SSL certificate: I got a warning saying bugzilla.ubuntu.com was trying to use the certificate for bugzilla.no-name-yet.com . :)08:36
danielsyeah, it's probably #1459 then. time for me to sleep, in any case; 'night all.08:36
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danielsJoshTriplett: yeah, known issue08:36
JoshTriplettChecking that bug...08:36
psyklopsdoes this channel have a bot?08:36
psyklopschannel, room... *ahem*08:37
JoshTriplettThat bug could very well be the issue; Dell has buggy BIOSen.08:37
mdzmxpxpod: spamassassin is in universe08:38
JoshTriplettOne note, though: the bug comments that Ubuntu could include the updated DSDTs for various laptops, but that isn't the case.  In most cases, the fixed DSDTs are generated by extracting the one from the system and tweaking it; therefore, it would be proprietary to the system manufacturer.08:39
thomthere's a similar looking report for a 4100 on the users list, btw08:39
JoshTriplettthom: I wouldn't be surprised.08:39
thomusing apm fixed it :(08:40
JoshTriplettthom: Well, I guess I could just boot with acpi=off apm=on .08:40
JoshTriplettthom: :)08:40
JoshTriplettthom: Why the sad face? :)08:40
bagpussthat's better, KDE :)08:40
thomwell, kinda suckful that you don't get fun-filled acpi support :-)08:40
thomJoshTriplett: give it a whirl, let us know08:40
JoshTriplettthom: Fun-filled.  That's one way of putting it.  I seriously dislike ACPI. :)08:41
JoshTriplettthom: "Here's some proprietary bytecode, run it in ring 0."08:41
JoshTriplettthom: Not that APM is much better.08:41
thomheh. true enough, sadly08:41
thomand the situation ain't likely to get better in the future08:42
mxpxpodmdz: ah, ok08:42
krischanCan it be true, Ubuntu comes without the usual compiler suspects, such as gcc and g++!08:43
JoshTriplettAnother issue: the autodetection handled X configuration wonderfully, except for the DPI of my LCD.  This made all the fonts headache-inducingly small. :)08:43
APi found a bug, ps\2 mice just wont work :\08:43
AP2 boxes and 2 mice ive tried08:43
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JoshTriplett(I was quite impressed that it handled the resolution and driver correctly, though; please push those bits back to Debian. :) )08:44
JoshTriplettWhat part of the installation is doing X autodetection and setup?08:44
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JoshTriplettSome minor nits: who is responsible for the changes to the /etc/skel files for bash?08:45
thomkrischan: they're on the cd. 'apt-get install build-essential'08:45
whiprushhey JoshTriplett, you mentioned you had a dell 8100?08:46
JoshTriplettwhiprush: Yes.08:46
thomJoshTriplett: X postinst script, in combination with xresprobe, which we more-or-less lifted from redhat and thrashed till it did what we needed08:46
whiprushhave you ever done a bios update?08:46
JoshTriplettwhiprush: I haven't, but every time I send it to Dell they do.08:46
whiprusha friend of mine did and had better luck with power support.08:46
JoshTriplettthom: Heh.08:46
JoshTriplettthom: Does it handle DPI?08:47
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JoshTriplettthom: Because 75dpi fonts on a 135dpi screen are painful. :)08:47
bagpussso id universe basically just debian/sid compiled against warty?08:47
thombagpuss: yep08:48
thomJoshTriplett: um, can't remember08:48
bagpussanything missing from it?08:48
JoshTriplettthom: Also, who is responsible for ~/.bash_profile and ~/.bashrc in Ubuntu?08:48
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bagpussJoshTriplett: they appear to belong to the bash package, so whoever is responsible for that08:50
JoshTriplettbagpuss: OK. :)08:51
JoshTriplettThe issue is that the default files have some minor typographical errors.08:51
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thomJoshTriplett: i think npmccallum last really touched them08:51
JoshTriplettSuch as saying "The rest of this file is commented out", but then that not being the case.08:51
thombut i'm a committed zsh die hard, so *shrug* :-)08:52
thombagpuss: stuff that didn't compile is missing :-)08:52
WWJoshTriplett: That was filed as a bug, and was supposedly fixed.08:52
JoshTriplettWW: Ah.08:52
bagpussaccording to the changelog, lamont last touched bash08:52
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bagpussthom: is there a list of stuff that didn't compile anywhre?08:53
JoshTriplettAnother one: I ended up with a /dead.letter containing various debconf notes. :(08:53
thomJoshTriplett: yeah, that's the installer08:53
thombagpuss: not that i'm aware of08:54
npmccallumJoshTriplett: file a bug on those files please08:54
JoshTriplettWW: Filed, yes.  Fixed, apparently not.08:54
JoshTriplettnpmccallum: OK.  Just use BugZilla?08:54
JoshTriplettArgh; perhaps you could disable the requirement to have a BugZilla account?  BugZilla is already more painful than debbugs; don't make it worse. :)08:55
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WWJoshTriplett: oh08:56
JoshTriplettnpmccallum: Apparently filed already. :)08:58
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bagpussthom: is it only packages from main considered?08:58
thomcurrently, yes. that may well change08:58
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JoshTriplettOne annoyance with sudo: I like that you set it up by default instead of a root account, but perhaps you could add NOPASSWD: ?08:59
whiprushcbaoth: ping09:00
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thomJoshTriplett: ye gads no :-) we're trying to teach people good habits, not lazy ones :-)09:01
JoshTriplettthom: On a personal machine, if they break into your personal account, they can trash everything important.  I can install a new system in a few minutes; my home directory is the only irreplaceable item.09:02
JoshTriplettthom: So I made my account equivalent to root.09:02
JoshTriplettFinally, the real blocker issue for me continuing to use Ubuntu: I was never given so much as a prompt, yet I have non-free software on the resulting installed system, and it was on the CD.  Put all that on the web archive if you must, and ask before using it from there.09:03
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bagpusslooks like 1879 binary packages not ported09:06
JoshTriplettOr is there some objection to doing that?09:07
crimsunJoshTriplett: NOPASSWD would only exacerbate the problem09:09
JoshTriplettcrimsun: What problem?09:09
crimsunof trashing one's system using that compromised acct09:09
cbaothwhiprush: pong09:09
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JoshTriplettcrimsun: Well, regardless, that's a minor issue.09:09
ichwhats up with lineakd 0.8?09:09
whiprushcbaoth: your theme thing still broken?09:10
JoshTriplettcrimsun: The non-free-by-default issue is my primary concern.09:10
crimsunwhich non-free?09:10
bagpusswhere the hell is debchange?09:10
ichi just got it throught apt-get and now my config is fuc**d up, evrytime i try to start i get an xlib error.09:10
bagpussoh, devscripts I think...ignore me09:10
JoshTriplettcrimsun: Ubuntu "restricted" packages.09:10
cbaothwhiprush: Nope, an apt-get upgrade seems to have fixed it.09:10
JoshTriplettcrimsun: Installed by default, with no prompt, and included on the CD.09:10
crimsunJoshTriplett: hmm, "by default?"09:10
crimsunmine wasn't.09:10
JoshTriplettcrimsun: In the base system.09:10
whiprushcbaoth: hmmm, now mine is broken. lemme upgrade09:11
JoshTriplettcrimsun: And included in /etc/apt/sources.list too.09:11
crimsuni had to manually edit sources.conf after all three installations09:11
JoshTriplettcrimsun: s/conf/list/ :)09:11
crimsunit should remain commented out after a default install09:11
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JoshTriplettcrimsun: Should?  Yes. :)09:12
JoshTriplettFrom the default sources.list:09:12
JoshTriplettdeb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Unofficial i386 Binary-1 (20040915)] / unstable main restricted09:13
JoshTriplettdeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted09:13
JoshTriplettdeb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted09:13
JoshTriplettAnd several more for security.09:13
crimsundid you answer "yes" to downloading software from the 'net during the install?09:13
bagpussis restricted equivalent to "non-free" then?09:13
JoshTriplettcrimsun: Yes.09:13
krischanthom: regarding "install build-essential", is that some kind of pseudo-package?09:13
crimsunbagpuss: essentally.09:13
JoshTriplettbagpuss: For ubuntu packages, apparently.09:13
bagpusskrischan: yes09:14
crimsunJoshTriplett: ah, that's why. i agree that should be clarified in the dialogue.09:14
JoshTriplettcrimsun: I agreed to install packages from the net.  I didn't agree to installing non-free packages.09:14
JoshTriplettcrimsun: And that doesn't explain the first line, nor having non-free packages on the CD.09:14
JoshTriplettcrimsun: No, it should be separated, not clarified.09:14
JoshTriplettcrimsun: "Do you want packages from the net?"  and "Do you want non-free packages?".09:15
crimsuna subtle compromise must be struck09:15
whiprushyes, more questions = bad.09:15
JoshTriplettcrimsun: I don't mind the default being "yes", as long as the question is asked and the packages are not on the CD.09:15
JoshTripletts/I don't mind/& much/09:16
JoshTriplettcrimsun: As for "installed by default":09:16
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^Fr0zeN^i'm back on windows :/09:18
^Fr0zeN^the xfree changes fucked the linux09:18
^Fr0zeN^so i need to reinstall09:18
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^Fr0zeN^Treenaks where did you find the LG manual?09:19
Deftyou can boot into single user linux and rerun xfree setup09:19
Treenaks^Fr0zeN^: google :)09:19
Deftbut I have to go, so, good luck09:19
Treenakslook for "lg f700p manual" (without ""), second hit, "view as HTML:09:19
JoshTriplettcrimsun: Both linux-restricted-modules- and nvidia-kernel-common  were installed by default.09:19
^Fr0zeN^ok thanks man09:20
Treenaks^Fr0zeN^: you can also look on www.lge.com (co.uk is b0rken atm)09:20
JoshTriplettcrimsun: Those packages were also included on the CD.09:21
JoshTriplettcrimsun: (This was the stock warty CD.)09:21
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JoshTriplettcrimsun: Is that what you used for the three installations you say ended up with no non-free software?09:22
bagpussJoshTriplett: nvidia-kernel-common is GPL according to its copyright09:22
JoshTriplettbagpuss: Sounds like a bug. :)09:23
JoshTriplettAnyway, if that really were true, why would it be in "restricted"?09:23
bagpussJoshTriplett: go file it :)09:23
crimsunJoshTriplett: yes09:23
JoshTriplettcrimsun: So how did I end up with non-free stuff then?09:23
bagpussJoshTriplett: the kernel-restricted package seems to be non-free.  The copyright is huge09:24
JoshTriplettbagpuss: Well, it's a bug one way or another; either the package shouldn't be in restricted, or it shouldn't have GPL in the copyright.09:24
JoshTriplettbagpuss: I know that parts of the kernel modules are (dubiously) GPLed.09:24
JoshTriplettbagpuss: Regardless, it still would need to be in whatever you want to call "contrib".09:25
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bagpussthe HAL, NVIDIA and ATI licenses are definitely non-free09:25
JoshTripletttheantix: nVidia's hardware abstraction layer.09:26
Sirius_Blackis anyone here that dual boots ubuntu with winxp?  I wanna know what their /etc/fstab line looks like09:26
Treenaksah, not freedesktop's hal09:26
bagpussthe MADWIFI copyright seems to be a dual BSD/GPL license09:26
JoshTripletttheantix: The dubiously GPLed glue.09:26
JoshTriplettTreenaks: Right.09:26
theantixah, ndvidia's hal... that makes more sense =)09:26
JoshTriplettbagpuss: Except that it includes binary objects.09:26
bagpussJoshTriplett: firmware?09:27
JoshTriplettbagpuss: No, objects.09:27
JoshTriplettbagpuss: Part of the driver.09:27
JoshTriplettbagpuss: (Not that firmware would be any better.)09:27
^Fr0zeN^Treenaks i need to change this in the conf:09:27
^Fr0zeN^H-Scanning Frequency : 30 - 96 kHz09:27
^Fr0zeN^V-Scanning Frequency : 50 - 160 Hz09:27
bagpussI'm in two minds as to binary only firmware (I've written firmware and sometimes binary only makes sense)09:28
Treenaks^Fr0zeN^: they're called differently, but yes09:28
^Fr0zeN^ok :P what the worst that can happen?09:28
JoshTriplettbagpuss: Perhaps it makes sense, but not from a Free Software perspective.09:28
Treenaks^Fr0zeN^: uh, most monitors from > 1997 turn off when the frequencies are too high09:29
bagpussJoshTriplett: sure it does.  I've written foirmware using a hex editor.  Why the hell should you have more source than *I* had when I wrote it? :)09:29
JoshTriplettbagpuss: In that one narrow case, sure, it can be binary only. :)09:29
JoshTriplettbagpuss: Be sure to document the fact that the binary _is_ the preferred form for modification.09:29
Treenaksbagpuss: yeah, but didn't you comment yours?09:29
JoshTriplettTreenaks: Also an important point. :)09:29
bagpussTreenaks: how exactly do you coment a few hundred bytes of hex?09:29
JoshTriplettbagpuss: With comments? :)09:30
Treenaksbagpuss: with jumps to jump over the comment :)09:30
bagpussJoshTriplett: 0xadfe3498c4389ba21f56ffff023ad09:30
bagpussTreenaks: :)09:30
JoshTriplettbagpuss: Put it in a text file, like the C stuff you see encoded as binary strings.  Add comments.09:30
JoshTriplettbagpuss: Then convert it to hex with a simple script.09:30
JoshTriplettbagpuss: Or better yet, write an assembler. :)09:31
JoshTriplettbagpuss: But anyway, comments aren't required either if you didn't have any when you wrote it.09:31
bagpussJoshTriplett: that firmware I wrote under an NDA anyway (last NDA I'll ever sign unless I'm starving), so it really wasn'tyan issue09:31
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bagpussJoshTriplett: there are times when assembler isn't useful or appropriate09:31
JoshTriplettbagpuss: Glad to hear the parenthesized part. :)09:31
JoshTriplettbagpuss: Same here, except that I've never signed one. :)09:32
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bagpussJoshTriplett: there *were* good reasons to sign it at the time.  In the exact same circumstances I'd think hard before deciding09:32
ForsaKenhello, i have just installed ubuntu, really nice :), but there is one thing i dont get, i created a user, it toled me that it will work like root, now i try to adduser from the user, and it wont let me, it is asking for a root pass, when i enter that users pass, it wont let me09:33
JoshTriplettbagpuss: Anyway, let's not get into that argument.09:33
bagpussthe world is rarely black and white09:33
JoshTriplettForsaKen: sudo adduser blah09:33
JoshTriplettForsaKen: Enter your user's password.09:33
sivangForsaKen : tried sudo before the command?09:33
ForsaKensudo hmm09:33
JoshTriplettbagpuss: It is if you decide to treat it that way. :)09:33
ForsaKeni dont even know what is it, do you have a url i can read about it ?09:33
bagpussJoshTriplett: I'm a cynical old fart, I see almost nothing in those terms these days :)09:34
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bagpussForsaKen: man sudo09:34
JoshTriplettbagpuss: Anyway, my primary issue is with the fact that the non-free software is included, set up to install, and installed by default.09:34
sivangForsaKen : just type under a terminal window09:34
ForsaKen`ok thanks09:34
JoshTriplettbagpuss: I'm cynical as well, but I'm also idealistic.09:34
bagpussJoshTriplett: yeah, I can see why that's an annoyance.  Are those the only two packages?09:34
sivangForsaKen : "sudo adduser <user_name>" and give your CURRENT user's password you set up on install09:34
JoshTriplettbagpuss: The only two installed by default, yes.09:34
bagpussJoshTriplett: I'd say it was worthy of a bug anyway09:34
JoshTriplettbagpuss: More are available, since sources.list was configured to include them.09:35
ForsaKen`ah so if i want to run commands that need root access, i soulde type sudo 1st ?09:35
JoshTriplettForsaKen`: Right.09:35
JoshTriplettForsaKen`: You never need to log in as root, which is good.09:35
ForsaKen`ohh i see09:35
ForsaKen`i dont even need to add a user09:35
ForsaKen`:) thanks09:36
sivangForsaKen` : yeppers09:36
ForsaKen`i get it now, i tryed to updatedb, didnt work so i did, sudo updatedb worked :)09:36
sivangForsaKen` : root is disabled by default as part of the warty security policy09:36
sivangForsaKen` : just like mac os x uses it ;)09:36
ForsaKen`debian is my favorit dist, when i herd about ubuntu i did not wait 1 min and started downloading09:36
ForsaKen`and now i see, ownz09:36
ForsaKen`i got a usb mouse, it detected it + the scrool is working :)09:37
bagpusshmm, that's a point09:37
ForsaKen`and apt-get, OWNZ09:37
sivangForsaKen` : yes, as a debian lover I suppose you'd fall in love with it immidiately just as I did :-)09:37
bagpussby defualt I would say root's mail should go to the first user configured09:38
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whiprushheh, sivang I'm the same way.09:39
ForsaKen`lol i need to get used to this sudo09:39
APjust sudo bash09:40
APsudo bash is like su - in other distros09:40
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whiprushForsaKen`: make an alias, for like, s09:40
robertjhey all, anyone feel like doing some hand holding today?09:40
whiprushs apt-get install foo09:40
robertjI've never built gnome before but thought I would give it a go09:40
whiprushfor example.09:40
APno need to get used to anything09:40
ForsaKen`no, i like it as it is09:40
ForsaKen`i dont mind typing 4 more letters09:40
sivangwhiprush : I was completely toxicated with debian when I first hit on it after suffering with redhat,mandrake and fedora - now I am hooked on ubuntu like my new drug ;-)09:41
sivangsivang : I am going to try spread ubuntu as a de facto bussiness os over my cousin's NYC based it consulting firm.09:41
whiprushyou run linux long enough you end up in debian anyway, might as well start off right. :p09:41
sivangwhiprush :  I am going to try spread ubuntu as a de facto bussiness os over my cousin's NYC based it consulting firm09:41
APwow, just yesterday this channel had 100 people in it09:42
APthe ubuntu community is growing fast!09:42
robertjsivang: why are you trying to do that?09:42
sivangwhiprush : he has only now started to realize the benefits of linux, but still loosing sleep's hours on broken redhat/mdk installation with rpm hell and code installations when he needs something unsupported ;)09:43
sivangwhen I first showed him what a debian system could mean to an administrator, he was amazed09:43
robertjsivang: what benefits is he after?09:43
sivangease of administration, robustness, no reboots, no license fees - just earn out supporting the systems.09:44
sivanghe came to realize that after you mastered the command line for a production system, it far more easy and far more logical administrating than a win box09:44
robertjsivang: its good stuff but Debian has next to no hardware support09:45
robertjI mean real support, not code in the kernel09:45
JoshTriplettrobertj: Huh?09:45
sivangwhat the fu^%$?09:45
^Fr0zeN^ForsaKen` sup :D09:45
robertjsivang: like all of Dell's binary only stuff09:45
JoshTriplettsivang: Well, I was going to go with that, but I wanted to be polite.09:45
bagpussblame dell09:46
bagpussor just don't buy dell hardware if you can help it09:46
JoshTriplettbagpuss: Their laptops rule.09:46
sivangI have a 8200 inspiron, and even _without_ ubunut (which now supports it better) everything is working excellently!09:46
bagpussJoshTriplett: not if they don't work without proprietary crap :)09:46
whiprushI'll probably stick with sarge for my servers for a while. Dunno if I want to try things like udev on a server just yet.09:46
JoshTriplettsivang: I've got an 8100. :)09:46
robertjI have a 2100 that is great09:46
robertjI bought it like 2 years ago new for $76009:46
JoshTriplettbagpuss: They do work fine; I don't touch proprietary stuff.09:47
robertj1.6 gig celeron with 512 megs of ram, dvd, and 30 gig hd09:47
sivangJoshTriplett : please elaborate on the laptops rulse09:47
WW"ubunut" :-)09:47
JoshTriplettsivang: I thought you said you had one?09:47
sivangrobertj : I do, don't know anything about laptop rule?09:47
sivangJoshTriplett : I thought you said you had one?09:47
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JoshTriplettsivang: Heh.09:48
sivangplease exucse my eye shortness09:48
sivangAgain, what is the problem with linux support in dell?09:48
JoshTriplettsivang: OK...09:48
robertjI like my ibook from work better though09:48
JoshTriplettsivang: None that I know of.09:48
krischana question: One the console, the key-combination <CTRL>-<CURSOR-LEFT>|<CURSOR-RIGHT> doesn't behave as expected, i.e. jumping left and right word by word. Instead it prints "D" and "C", respectively, on the console. What's the cause for that?09:48
JoshTriplettsivang: My laptop works perfectly.09:48
robertjbattery life trups all09:48
sivangrobertj : please elaborate on the dell binary only thing?09:48
robertjsivang: i've heard all kinds of things about the binary only raid controllers causing problems09:48
krischanOne the console = On the console09:48
JoshTriplettkrischan: The console doesn't seem to support modified arrow keys.09:49
JoshTriplettkrischan: Not by default, anyway.09:49
robertjthings which require the 2.4 kernel with the funky redhat threads09:49
robertjthat sort of thing09:49
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robertjwhich I guess is just a 2.6 backport09:49
lezardHy all09:49
JoshTriplettkrischan: Also, Ctrl-{left,right} doesn't seem to work in a terminal either.09:49
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JoshTriplettrobertj: So basically, Dell's proprietary hardware that requires their proprietary RPMs.09:50
krischanJoshTriplett: What's the default terminal on Ubuntu, do you know that?09:50
JoshTriplettrobertj: Again, blame Dell.09:50
lezardCan someone tell me if an kernel-source package exist ?09:50
sivangrobertj : Oh, well i apologize for my language beforehand, I have used my dell withput problem under linux so this was sounding to me a bit like 'doze trollish words ;-) I apologize again.09:50
JoshTriplettkrischan: Probably gnome-terminal.09:50
thomwe have 6 dell servers at canonical, they all work fine09:50
robertjJosh: it's not "their" hardware09:50
whiprushdude, I know plenty of people with dell rackmounts all running debian.09:50
robertjThey are just the largest distributor09:50
JoshTriplettwhiprush: I'm just responding to his statement.09:50
whiprushya I know.09:50
JoshTriplettwhiprush: Either they are supported, or they aren't, but that's not the fault of GNU/LInux.09:50
sivangAs a matter of fact, I was surprised to see that most of the laptop's thingies had already been supported open sourcely ;)09:50
robertjwhip: but as far as supprot goes, its not there09:51
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JoshTriplettsivang: I actually bought my laptop specifically with that in mind.09:51
robertjI'm sure someone will support you, but not without alot of cash donw09:51
whiprushwell ... hp will sell you debian support if you pay enough.09:51
whiprushand now we have canonical.09:51
robertjwhip: everyone has their price09:51
sivangJoshTriplett : me also ;) Although my gf still likes to ponder (and gets punished by that) with the supplied xp home09:51
robertjbut realistically if you are a small business you probably can't get support09:52
sivangso, to continue09:52
robertjXP is good stuff09:52
krischanJoshTriplett: Yes, that's clear, the properties of the "Terminal" tell that. How do you think could those key combinations be supported?09:52
JoshTriplettrobertj: In the "good stuff, dude" drug sense, yes. :)09:52
sivangthat guy over NYC has already started to use astrisk's linux to implement VoIP operators over his clients. Guess what he says about it?09:52
JoshTriplettkrischan: No idea. :)09:52
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JoshTriplettkrischan: I'd love to see it working, but that's not my area of expertise.09:53
sivangI have intention to package astrisk for ubuntu, I figure they'll make a great combination :-)09:53
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chapeaurougeanyone tried to install bootsplash ?09:53
robertjI haven't looked but I would bet more users of Open Source software use it on Windows than on any other platform09:53
chapeaurougei get an error when i try to install bootsplash pkg.. kernel already patched and recompiled.09:53
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JoshTriplettrobertj: Probably, given the sheer number of Windows users.09:54
sivangrobertj : ahh, well, if you are experienced with open source enough, You would really quickly come to the conclusion that it's better used on an open source system like linux = my experience exactly 09:54
sivangmozilla runs far faster on debian than on xp home . heh09:54
robertjsivang: I can't tell the difference09:54
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JoshTriplettbagpuss: So should I file the bug in BugZilla that Ubuntu shouldn't include the restricted archive in sources.list without asking, shouldn't include it on the CDs, and shouldn't install packages from it by default?  Should that be one bug, or several?09:55
sabdflchapeaurouge: bootsplash wasn't stable enough for release in warty, so we pulled it from the feature list09:55
robertjMaybe my $300 computer is just so massively overpowered it doesn't matter09:55
sabdflJoshTriplett: that an argument on technical grounds?09:56
JoshTriplettsabdfl: What is?09:56
krischanJoshTriplett: Okay, so we have the same problem ... if I'd only knew why and how it worked with the default Fedora terminal ...09:56
bagpussJoshTriplett: I don't know that it's a bug as much as a policy disagreement.  More something to bring up on the mailing list than in bugzilla09:56
sabdflyour personal views on restricted09:56
ForsaKen`i got my sound installed, when i enter gnome sound, and do a test, working, but in team speak, i cant hear or talk, and it's saying that my sound is muted09:56
robertjBagpuss: and AFAIK it's already settled09:56
robertjRestricted is a fact of life for ubuntu.09:56
JoshTriplettsabdfl: Not at all; it's an argument that I should never get non-free software without at least an "OK, that's fine".09:57
robertjJosh: it's not forced on you09:57
JoshTriplettsabdfl: One single question one time is sufficient.09:57
chapeaurougesabdfl: ok thanks.. im trying to make it work now, but i get an error.... cp: cannot stat `.orig': No such file or directory and such.09:57
robertjyou are the one who downloaded it09:57
JoshTriplettrobertj: Ubuntu?  No, it isn't. :)09:57
sabdflrestricted is there for a very specific purpose, it's fully redistributable09:57
JoshTriplettsabdfl: So is most of Debian non-free.  Your point?09:57
robertjJosh: no, but most of chili isn't meat but vegitarians don't assume that it's meatless09:58
robertjAnd Ubuntu is not Debian09:58
sabdflthere aren't applications in restricted, only drivers09:58
bagpussrobertj: sure.  The website would seem to suggest that the main distribution should be free.  Perhaps that needs to be clarified.  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/philosophy/09:58
JoshTriplettrobertj: True enough.  (I'm actually a vegetarian, so nice argument. :) )09:58
JoshTriplettsabdfl: So?09:58
sabdflso, we figure it's better to get free software installed on someone's computer than to leave it in a half-installed mess :-)09:59
bagpussrobertj: reading that, you'd be forgiven for being surprised if non-free stuff got installed09:59
sabdfland then we get to make the real pitch for free software09:59
JoshTriplettsabdfl: You don't need the nvidia drivers to install.09:59
whiprushI do.09:59
sabdflyou do on some hardware09:59
bagpusssabdfl: I agree fully. I think the website is misleading on the point though09:59
sabdflsame goes for ati09:59
JoshTriplettsabdfl: I know of no nVidia hardware that isn't supported by one of "nv", "vesa", or "fbdev".09:59
JoshTriplettsabdfl: Same for ati with s/nv/ati/10:00
thomcertainly the very latest ati stuff needs the binary drivers10:00
sabdflati's new cards are not at all supported10:00
thom(or last i checked it did)10:00
sabdflX800 or something10:00
JoshTriplettRegardless, that's called "hardware without Free Software support".10:00
JoshTriplettsabdfl: And I think there is 2D support even for that.10:01
JoshTriplettsabdfl: I could be wrong.10:01
sabdflbagpuss: JoshTriplett: i'll have the website updated to be clearer that restricted software is installed10:01
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JoshTriplettsabdfl: Thank you; that would at least be a warning label. :)10:01
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sabdflJoshTriplett: which is why that code is in a separate component, trivial to remove10:01
JoshTriplettsabdfl: And for that matter, mention that it is on the CDs by default.10:01
ForsaKen`where can i see a list of the apt-get mirrors ?10:01
whiprushForsaKen`: there's a page on the wiki10:01
ForsaKen`becouse the one i got now is downloading at 20kbps10:01
sivangForsaKen` : try the wiki, under ahive10:02
sivangForsaKen` : archive10:02
JoshTriplettsabdfl: It would be highly preferable to only include it on the web, and use it if asked.10:02
ForsaKen`wiki ?10:02
sabdflwhiprush: we won't install non-free drivers if we can help it, they have really bad supportability10:02
whiprushyes, but at least it's easier in ubuntu10:02
sabdflJoshTriplett: doesn't exactly help someone who's wifi card and sole net access require the blob, does it?10:02
sivangForsaKen` : http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive10:02
robertjsab: I think a ! in device manager would be well served10:02
robertjKinda like Windows gives for unsigned drivers10:02
robertj"Your driver is non-free and unsupported by Canonical"10:03
sivangwindows.. ah...10:03
sabdflrobertj: that's a good idea, in hal device manager, alert the user appropriately10:03
JoshTriplettsabdfl: Regardless, suppose that someone did have hardware only supported by non-free drivers.  As long as it wasn't the network card, then a simple prompt for using non-free from the web archive would be fine.  If the install failed without saying "Yes", then that's their decision.10:03
spivJoshTriplett: As long as it's not the network card, or the video card, or perhaps the raid controller, or ...10:04
robertjsab: OTOH, any vendors that play nice with Ubuntu shouldn't get any flack10:04
robertjjust a little entry under properties "Call this number for support"10:04
JoshTriplettspiv: No, just as long as it isn't the network card.10:04
sabdflfair enough, but we looked at it and 99% of people given the prompt say "yes", and the other 1% know how to remove restricted, so I vetoed the question10:04
robertjIt would be kinda neat to have contact info as part of the device driver info10:04
sabdflJoshTriplett: we also put it in a separate component of the archive so that you can print a CD that doesn't have it10:05
robertjsabdfl: I think thats the right decision10:05
JoshTriplettsabdfl: Fine, then make a boot option, debian-installer/no-non-free=yes, and document it on the boot screens.  Regardless, it was _installed by default_; not just configured to install, but installed.10:05
whiprushthat sounds reasonable10:05
spivJoshTriplett: If there's a disk controller that needs proprietary software to work, then it's hard to install ubuntu, and use all the other 100% free software we have.10:05
JoshTriplettsabdfl: And how about an official CD image that doesn't?10:05
robertjnon-free=no seems like a reasonable option10:05
JoshTriplettspiv: Only if you say "No, don't go get the driver".10:05
robertjthat way it makes rolling your own cd pretty easy10:05
sabdflJoshTriplett: we can have a cd image that doesn't yes, and we can have a boot option in Hoary, please put these on the wiki under Hoary Feature Goals10:05
spivJoshTriplett: Believe it or not, not everyone has net access.10:06
JoshTriplettspiv: Then download the "non-free stuff" disk, or floppy.10:06
robertjalthough I would hope it didn't show up on the short list of boot shortcuts that some people will need to get their machine to boot at all10:06
JoshTriplettrobertj: There are five pages of boot options; there's room. :)10:06
spivJoshTriplett: Or put it on the spare space of the original CD...10:06
whiprushI just install vrms, which mails me monthly, that way I can attone for my sins.10:06
bagpussI think this is something for later.  At the moment getting warty out the door seems more important10:06
chapeaurougeholy shit.. my computer running ubuntu just shut down!10:07
robertjWarty seems to be in good condition10:07
sabdflchapeaurouge: did you not ask it to?10:07
sivangsabdfl : the cd encompasses a complete ubuntu install? I am installing over a dial in broadband, which means i have to vpn dial first before internet access.10:07
robertjThe lack of a real update applet seems like a problem to me10:07
chapeaurougesabdfl: ..10:07
robertjother than that, no complaints10:07
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chapeaurougesecond it happened.10:07
sivangrobertj : you can use synaptic to acomplish just that10:07
JoshTriplettsabdfl: Would it also be reasonable to ask for the no-non-free-included CD image to have non-free=no enabled by default?10:07
tvonPloneSolutions folks?  Q about PlonePortlets10:08
robertjsivang: I can and do10:08
tvoneg, is there a way I'm not seeing to control the order of the portlets?10:08
sivangrobertj : ok10:08
thom49 bugs of major or higher10:08
sabdflJoshTriplett: reasonable to ask, but i'm not going to change this for warty, and unlikely to do so for Hoary either10:08
robertjI'm worried about people not knowing about it10:08
robertjMac OS X does it right10:08
JoshTriplettsabdfl: As long as it's on the todo list; I'll come back to try Ubuntu again when it's done.10:08
robertjNimrods get goaded into updating because of the dialog :)10:08
tvonhrm, wrong room10:09
robertjSP2 seems semi-sane though10:09
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JoshTriplettsabdfl: To be honest, it's a trivial change.10:09
sabdflJoshTriplett: yes, it is, go ahead and make it, i encourage derivatives like that10:10
JoshTriplettsabdfl: Well, I personally am not likely to take the time to make such a change, because Debian has the correct behavior by default (except perhaps for the fact that it _possibly_ should ask instead of defaulting to no, for the benefit of some).10:11
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whiprushdebian isn't going anywhere.10:12
JoshTriplettwhiprush: Nope.10:12
JoshTriplettwhiprush: I'm aware of that.10:12
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whiprushif it's that important to you use debian or do your own derivative.10:12
JoshTriplettwhiprush: I do like Ubuntu though, and many of the changes it has made.10:12
JoshTriplettwhiprush: If I didn't, I wouldn't be bothering to provide feedback to try to make it better.10:13
bagpussabuse-sdl actualy *works* under ubuntu10:14
bagpussand builds without error10:14
whiprushI suppose we'll agree to disagree10:14
whiprushon an unrelated note, the sound that clicks when you launch apps is the best ever.10:15
bagpussupload should be finishe din a few seconds10:15
thomhrm, i should turn sounds on, i guess10:15
thomor just reinstall :-)10:16
robertjalso, anyone think the cd source needs to come out of /etc/sources.list?10:16
sabdflbagpuss: is that in debian non-free or contrib?10:16
thomrobertj: not really, why?10:16
axe9I need drivers for an HP PSC 1350xi all in one print10:16
sabdflrobertj: yes, it shouldn't be there if your network was detected during install10:16
bagpusssabdfl: main10:16
JoshTriplettsabdfl: Main, I think. :)10:16
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robertjthom: because apts like "gimmme the cd'10:17
bagpusssabdfl: it's the first package on my list of "stuff in debian main that appears not to be in ubuntu"10:17
robertjand most people probably wont have it handy10:17
sabdflbagpuss: then it should be in universe already, if it isn't, please file a bug10:17
bagpusswell, besides aboot-base, which is asn alpha specific package, and I don't have an alpha to test it with10:17
whiprushwait, so if a package is in sid and not in universe we should file a bug?10:17
JoshTriplettaxe9: Is it not in the huge list of printers available by default in Ubuntu?10:17
whiprushI was going to request it on the list instead.10:17
axe9my mom is pissed cause she can't print her paper, and...10:18
sabdflbagpuss: there are some packages which FTBFS'd and we haven't had time to nudge them yet, if you file a bug it will get taken care of10:18
axe9it's not10:18
JoshTriplettaxe9: It should have been installed as part of foomatic-ppds.10:18
axe9looked through it a few times10:18
sabdflwhiprush: yes please10:18
JoshTriplettaxe9: Check linuxprinting.org10:18
bagpusssabdfl: okay.  Do you have a list of the stuff that FTBFSd?  I'm probably going to keep working through the list I hacked up for myself otherwise10:18
whiprushok. out of curiosity, do new packages in sid and whatnot get automatically pulled into universe for rebuild?10:18
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axe9I fucking HATE when my mom uses the computer!10:18
bagpussupload finished10:19
axe9she pulled the monitor to the edge of the desk, and has the keyboard sitting on top of the fucking drawers!10:19
bagpusssabdfl: what component should I file the bug against?10:19
sabdflhmm... UNKNOWN10:19
thomif you could give us the list of missing stuff, that might not be bad. i don't think we have a convenient copy10:20
axe9Why the hell is ther enot a drive for the HP PSC1350!!!10:22
robertjhrmm, I did apt-get install glade and now glade is not in my Applications menu10:22
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thomrobertj: glade2 is what you want10:23
robertjor glade-2 even ;)10:23
axe9where else can I get linuix drivers?10:24
whiprushwhat component should it be for a universe packaging request then?10:24
robertjits still not in there ;)10:24
bagpusswhiprush: there's a page on the wiki for that10:24
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whiprushyou mean UniverseCandidates?10:25
whiprushthat looks like it's for packagers10:25
thomaxe9: google suggests you want the hpoj package10:26
JoshTriplettsabdfl: I put the items on the HoaryHedgehog Wiki page.  Thank you.10:26
thomaxe9: (apt-get install hpoj ; it's in universe)10:27
lypanovaxe9: if you think you have problems10:27
lypanovaxe9: you don't have a flatmate that deletes 12 gigabytes of your music collection because "he needed the space"10:27
JoshTriplettlypanov: That's called "Accounts with passwords".10:27
JoshTriplettlypanov: Your fault as much as theirs, though they still shouldn't have done it.10:28
thomit's called "Not giving out accounts" full stop10:28
lypanovJoshTriplett: no. his fault10:28
axe9why the fuck is tehre a goddamned towel under the chair!!!10:28
lypanovits his computer10:28
JoshTriplettthom: That too. :)10:28
lypanovmy harddrive10:28
JoshTriplettlypanov: Hmmm; interesting situation.10:28
thomaxe9: http://www.linuxprinting.org/pipermail/hp-list/2004q1/004800.html10:28
lypanovright P:(10:28
thomaxe9: and dude, calm down10:28
bagpusswhiprush: what package is it you want?10:28
whiprushit's an applet with play controls basically.10:29
JoshTriplettaxe9: From that message, the answer looks to be "use the PSC 1300 driver".10:29
bagpussthom: where do you want the list of missing stuff sent?10:29
JoshTriplettaxe9: Just pick that with the menu.10:29
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thombagpuss: devel list would seem to be reasonable, please :-) or attach it to the wiki10:30
bagpussthom: okay10:30
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JoshTriplettAnyway, it was fun trying out Ubuntu; thanks to all developers for the effort they've put in.10:31
thomcheers Josh10:32
lypanovJoshTriplett: :)10:32
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thomman, i do wish mr Lucas hadn't screwed with the star wars films *again* for the dvd10:33
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axe9linkage :P10:34
whiprushthat xmms skin for ubuntu that was posted on the list is cool.10:36
ForsaKen`a strange thing, when i do sudo apt-cache search kde, i dont seem to find any kde10:36
ForsaKen`at my friends house 3 houers ago it did found kde and he installed it10:36
thomForsaKen`: that's a feature, but if you really want kde, you need to enable the universe repo10:36
ForsaKen`how do i do that ?10:37
bagpussfeature! bah! :)10:37
KinnisonCor; a bagpuss10:38
bagpussheya Daniel10:39
KinnisonHow's tricks?10:39
bagpussnot bad10:39
bagpussbeside being jobless and poor anyway :)10:39
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ForsaKen`at my friends house i we just did apt-cache search kde, it found lik 200 things, and then we apt-get install kde-core and it worked10:39
ForsaKen`doesnt seem to be same here10:39
whiprushhe probably has universe enabled.10:39
whiprushadd "universe" to the end of the deb line in /etc/apt/sources.list10:40
ForsaKen`yeah he has the AMD64 bit edition10:40
thomForsaKen`: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list10:40
zombicsther is a way to install ubuntulinux from HD(my burner is not working :/)10:40
bagpussKinnison: how's you?  I wasn't able to make Steve's this year.  I see you sold your soul to the group keysigning notion though10:40
whiprushdeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe <-- example10:40
Kinnisonbagpuss: It was a small signing event10:41
zombicsi personaly dont think the A64 ver is redy yet.(not only of ubuntu i have seen it with gentoo 2)10:41
Kinnisonbagpuss: but it was fun.10:41
bagpussKinnison: I remember the year before you sitting in the garden with a "this is an EVIL way to sign keys" attitude :)10:41
Kinnisonbagpuss: Indeed. I ran it properly10:42
thomzombics: i've been using amd64 quite happily for the last month with no problems10:42
bagpussah :)10:42
zombicsthom maybe. i had some wierd problems. now i want to chek out the 32Bit ver....10:42
bagpusswhiprush: http://www.clothcat.org/ubuntu/rhythmbox-applet/10:42
zombicsbut i have no burner10:42
bagpusswhiprush: built against warty10:42
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thomzombics: please file bugs then :-)10:43
zombicsit wasent bugs. it was some installtion of program and those things....10:43
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Kinnisonc'ya later guys10:43
robertjthe best part about building stuff is it makes you feel like you are smart when you are not10:43
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zombicsthom ther is no way to install ubuntu from the HD right? :/10:45
robertjzombics: you can boot an iso from grub10:45
sabdflcheers Kinnison10:45
mwh_Hi, when I plug in a usb mass-storage device I get a pop up window with its content, but the drive does not show up in computer->drives10:45
mwh_is it posible in ubuntu at the present to unmount the drive with the gui?10:46
sabdflmwh_: please file a bug in bugzilla.ubuntu.com10:46
zombicsrobertj ther is a way of doing it from windows?10:46
robertjzombics: nope10:46
sabdflmwh_: does it show up on your desktop?10:46
mwh_sabdfl: oh I guess its not posible then ;)10:46
robertjwhy are you trying to do that?10:46
mwh_sabdfl: no10:46
robertjwhy not burn the image?10:46
sabdflmwh_: it should show up. then you can unmount it10:46
robertjsome of those bootable cds have utils that can usually resize a partition without screwing things up10:46
zombicsburner is broken :<10:46
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mwh_sabdfl: sorry I was wrong it apears on the desktop :o)10:50
mwh_sabdfl: thanks, btw if I unmount it, is it then posible to remount it without unplugin and replugin the device?10:50
sabdflmwh_: we had it in the Disks folder till gnome-vfs 2.8.1 and then it broke, alas, and we haven't time to find the bug10:54
mwh_what is the prefered way to manage which modules get loaded during startup? I ask because some of them fail because the hardware is not available for them10:54
mwh_sabdfl: ahh10:54
sabdflmwh_: i think pmount /dev/xxx might do the trick10:54
robertjIMO unmounted disks should show as disabled10:54
sabdflrobertj: good idea10:55
robertjand HAL should be used to figure out if they are connected10:55
mwh_sabdfl: also, my gpdf stoped working recently :(10:55
sabdflrobertj: could you write that one up on the wiki?10:55
robertjsab: sure10:55
robertjwhat would be a good icon label for that?10:55
robertjsomething that indicates its avialable for low-level write ops10:55
mwh_sabdfl: I get a lot of bonobo warnings10:55
mwh_sabdfl: I should probably write a bug-report about it ;)10:56
sabdflmwh_: hotplug has to guess, and if they fail it's not a problem10:56
sabdflmwh_: for hoary the boot process will look a lot nicer10:56
sabdflmwh_: is this a clean ubuntu install?10:56
robertjsabdfl: actually though10:56
robertjwhy does there need to be a gui for unmounting?10:57
axe9I can never remember how to isntall stuff!10:57
mwh_sabdfl: yes, I have installed flash, java and mplayer though10:57
sabdflbecause my mom hasn't yet got the hang of bash10:57
robertjsabdfl: well ejecting is different10:57
robertjejecting is unmount + remove icon10:57
robertjalthough Ejecting an FTP site is odd10:58
sabdflnot all media can eject10:58
axe9x1-6-00-0d-88-24-dd-6f:/home/family# ./patch-
axe9bash: ./patch- Permission denied10:58
robertjWindows Ejects USB Pen Drives10:58
robertjas does Mac10:58
axe9mom is yelling at me to install the printer drivers!10:59
axe9and I have to install that patch first10:59
axe9and then I need to install the printer >.>10:59
mwh_sabdfl: so hotplug is loading all the modules? I did not think so10:59
mwh_anyone have any problem with gpdf in ubuntu with the latest upgrades11:00
robertjsabdfl: ?11:00
mwh_axe9: umh does the directory have the right permissions?11:00
axe9how do I change it?11:00
axe9SOMEONE disables to rootuser >:(11:01
mwh_robertj: will the pen be spit out in windows and mac .. wow11:01
mwh_axe9: with chmod11:01
mwh_axe9: check man chmod11:01
robertjmwh: of course not11:01
robertjit just uses eject terminology11:01
mwh_robertj: it was a joke ;)11:01
axe9I tried chmod 0600 patch-
axe9and it didn't seem to do.. anythign.11:02
robertjIt would be nice if removable media had a notify icon for when it was in use11:02
robertjand you just pulled it out otherwise11:02
thomfeature goal for hoary11:02
mwh_robertj: yea, but unmount and mount is pretty good words for what is happening, eject is good when a real eject is hapening11:02
mwh_axe9: check to see if the dir has execute permission11:02
mwh_axe9: like 755 or something11:03
axe9how do I check that?11:03
Chrifferattach would sound better to me atleast11:03
robertjmwh: mount makes no sense from a gnome user's point of view11:03
robertjComputer Disks makes it look like a multi-root fs to most people11:03
mwh_robertj: you have a point there11:03
robertjMount would be ok if it was being mounted to ~/Users/cdrom11:04
mwh_robertj: anyways eject for usb-massstorage doesnt make sense for me11:04
robertjerr ~/volumes/cdrom11:04
axe9How do I change the CHMOD for a dir?11:04
robertjis media the new FSF place for automounting?11:04
axe9Yes, I'm an idiot, and I've only had linux for a week.....11:04
mwh_axe9: chmod 755 mydir11:04
robertjand it dissaproves of ~/media AFAK11:04
mwh_axe9: your not alone ;)11:05
mwh_axe9: man chmod or chmod --help would be good commands to execute11:05
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spivaxe9: right-click on it in nautilus, choose properties, then permissions.11:06
spiv(it's probably easier to use nautilus than learn the arcane ways of chmod :)11:06
axe9I did11:07
axe9and set all permissions open11:07
mwh_spiv: your right, I still dont think gui yet11:07
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mwh_anyways could any one here confirm that gpdf is broken with ubuntu?11:08
mwh_I get a lot of failed assertions11:08
spivmwh_: chmod is very deeply ingrained, I know :)11:08
ForsaKeni am having problems with teamspeak211:09
ForsaKeni cant hear ppl talk11:09
ForsaKenand i cant speak11:09
ForsaKenbut i got sound, and it is working11:09
ForsaKenanyone that uses teamspeak on ubuntu ??11:10
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mwh_is there any news on when ubuntu final-release will be released?11:14
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hawksmoorHi all11:17
theantixhi hawksmoor!11:17
mwh_hawksmoor: hi there11:17
thommwh_: oct 2011:17
hawksmoorI've succesfully installed ubuntu this morning11:17
theantixI've compiled netapplet on Ubuntu, and is happier then a pig in [censored]  =)11:18
mwh_thom: ok11:20
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theantixthe new Ubuntu gnome-sudo prompt is *so much* better11:26
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hawksmoorI'm very satisfied with Ubuntu, only got a problem, It seems It won't let me mount the other partition with all its data11:27
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lypanovhawksmoor: during installtion you can do thi11:29
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lypanovhawksmoor: else you can do this via editing your /etc/fstab or mount'ing the drive11:29
Slackeerbdoes ubunto come with something to set up ppoe dsl?11:29
hawksmoorlypanov, I've done this during installation, and afterward I sudoed to mount the partition but nothing, only way through editing /etc/fstab?11:30
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hawksmoorby the way, are there anyone from italy?11:33
thomhawksmoor: fabbione is, although he lives in denmark now11:34
hawksmoora little away from home, isn't it? ;-)11:35
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lypanovhawksmoor: strange. still no luck?11:43
hawksmoorthe pc is off now, here I'm using my powerbook11:44
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hawksmoorIt's midnight here, and I had a bad day, so I'm very tired, goodnight to all, hear ya soon11:48
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probshey, does anyone know why openoffice won't spellcheck?11:51
probsanyone else have that problem?11:51
thomit's known, the fix should be in in the next couple of days iirc11:52
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ForsaKenmy screen is working on 1152x768 resolution, but with 55HZ11:58
ForsaKenand i know it can work with 100HZ11:58
ForsaKenbut in the kde/gnome i cant change it11:58
ForsaKenit wont let me11:58
ForsaKeni must edit my xfree86 config ?11:58
housetierwhat do you do? what are the error messages if any?11:59
ForsaKenno, there is just no option for more then 55HZ11:59
ForsaKeni cant scrool up, there is only 55hz11:59
ForsaKensoon i will be blind with this HZ11:59

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