[12:00] <ForsaKen> in the kde/gnome display settings
[12:00] <psi> the frequencies in XF86Config-4 are probably wrong
[12:01] <ForsaKen> yeah
[12:02] <ForsaKen> Section "Monitor"
[12:02] <ForsaKen>         Identifier      "FLATRON 795F"
[12:02] <ForsaKen>         HorizSync       30-96
[12:02] <ForsaKen>         VertRefresh     50-160
[12:02] <ForsaKen>         Option          "DPMS"
[12:02] <ForsaKen> Section "Monitor"
[12:02] <ForsaKen>         Identifier      "FLATRON 795F"
[12:02] <ForsaKen>         HorizSync       30-96
[12:02] <ForsaKen>         VertRefresh     50-160
[12:02] <ForsaKen>         Option          "DPMS"
[12:02] <ForsaKen> woops
[12:02] <ForsaKen> sorry
[12:03] <ForsaKen> Section "Screen"
[12:03] <ForsaKen>         Identifier      "Default Screen"
[12:03] <ForsaKen>         Device          "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon 9600 XT (RV350 AR)"
[12:03] <ForsaKen>         Monitor         "FLATRON 795F"
[12:03] <ForsaKen>         DefaultDepth    24
[12:09] <whiprush> http://catminds.m2ix.com/files/XF86Config
[12:09] <whiprush> try that ForsaKen 
[12:09] <whiprush> not the whole file
[12:09] <whiprush> just the relevant section in monitor
[12:09] <whiprush> hmm, nm, wrong resolution.
[12:09] <ioslipstream> is the updated synaptic freaking out on anyone?
[12:10] <robertj> Hrmm, doesi t seem odd to anyone that locked icons can be removed from the panel?
[12:10] <ioslipstream> do a search, select an item from the search and the window just starts freaking out
[12:11] <whiprush> seems to be working for me ioslipstream 
[12:11] <ioslipstream> whiprush: did you update it today?
[12:11] <ioslipstream> aka, is the find button changed to 'search' now?
[12:12] <whiprush> yeah mine says search
[12:12] <ioslipstream> hmm
[12:12] <ioslipstream> it was working fine for me until it updated this morning
[12:13] <whiprush> cool I just noticed the little ubuntu logo next to the supported stuff
[12:13] <ioslipstream> heh, yeah that's the new one
[12:14] <ioslipstream> i'm gonna try restarting gnome
[12:27] <_Hiro_> is muine installable?
[12:28] <joem> _Hiro_, http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/000068.html
[12:30] <_Hiro_> thx :)
[12:55] <bolivar> why dont the spell checkers work in evolution, OO, etc
[01:06] <uffe> anyone who knows what languages gnome2.8 supports in ubuntu, any nordic languages ie. norwegian?
[01:08] <theantix> in case anyone here is interested, I built a netapplet .deb for Ubuntu, details at http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/001877.html
[01:36] <ioslipstream> uffe: i'm sure it supports norsk
[01:37] <uffe> ioslipstream, i'll have to try it to morrow then :)
[01:38] <ioslipstream> i think you'll like it a lot
[01:38] <ioslipstream> very nice
[01:38] <uffe> running debian testing now, but gnome 2.8 is quite tempting
[01:39] <UziMonkey> has anyone been having trouble with dhclient not writing to resolv.conf?
[01:40] <UziMonkey> if I move my machine to another network, it doesn't write a new DNS server in /etc/resolv.conf, it's the server from my home network
[01:43] <ioslipstream> uffe: it's nice because it is debian, kind of, seems to be a bit more polished for the desktop
[01:45] <UziMonkey> all the goodness of Debian, none of the "stale package syndrome" without having to run unstable
[01:46] <uffe> ioslipstream, great :) looking forward to try it. and i asume that i can use debian's unstable repository with ubuntu if i do miss some apps
[01:46] <housetier> I wouldnt do that
[01:46] <UziMonkey> uffe: the universe repository has everything I've needed, but I wouldn't mix the two..
[01:47] <uffe> uzimonkey, i'll keep that in mind. try not to mix them
[01:49] <uffe> thanks for the help to both of you ioslipstream and uzimonkey. for me it's time for bed... bye
[02:01] <LinuxJones> hope everyone is having a good evening !!
[02:01] <azeem> I sure do!
[02:01] <LinuxJones> Parties rock !!
[02:06] <axe9> how the hell do I enable the Root user?
[02:06] <axe9> I'm getting REALLY sick of this
[02:07] <schweeb> it's nearing time to leave for parties here, cept my car is broke
[02:07] <whiprush> sudo -s if you want a "root terminal"
[02:07] <theantix> axe9, and then you can run "passwd root" to set your root password like normal
[02:07] <azeem> axe9: personally, I never login as root, I just use sudo
[02:08] <housetier> axe9, on the ubuntu homepage search for "root"
[02:08] <azeem> my life is so much happier now
[02:09] <whiprush> schweeb: I got ifolder running in ubuntu
[02:10] <schweeb> nice
[02:10] <schweeb> I've still never used it
[02:10] <axe9> I can't writie to my fucking floppy disk
[02:10] <axe9> I can't isntall things
[02:10] <axe9> And I don't really wanna have to do EVERYTHING with the Terminal
[02:10] <schweeb> .....
[02:10] <joem> uh
[02:11] <axe9> And now my mom has been bitching at me for the last 1 1/2 hours, telling me I'm gonna have to buy her a fucking computer
[02:11] <axe9> stfu!
[02:11] <housetier> watch your language please
[02:11] <axe9> I've only have linux a fucking week
[02:11] <axe9> sorry
[02:11] <axe9> but I'm VERY frustrated
[02:11] <housetier> and please try to be calm
[02:11] <schweeb> so, basically, you want to log in to GNOME as root?
[02:11] <joem> axe9, nobody is going to assist you while complaining like that
[02:11] <schweeb> that's utterly retarded.
[02:12] <schweeb> and all the tools in Computer->System Configuration should do what you're looking for...
[02:12] <schweeb> without CLI
[02:12] <joem> axe9 http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[02:12] <_Hiro_> joem, thx for the muine tip earlier, it's playing great :)
[02:13] <joem> nice
[02:13] <joem> _Hiro_, thank tseng for packing it
[02:13] <punkass> well i got somewhat of a working version of a wireless scanner/connector going
[02:13] <_Hiro_> thx tseng :)
[02:13] <housetier> axe9, now if you could tell us what you want to install... error messages are helpful too
[02:14] <whiprush> woo tseng fan club.
[02:14] <sabdfl> axe9: please read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[02:14] <_Hiro_> rhythmbox sadly has failed on each and every install and every distro I used :(
[02:15] <theantix> I suppose the fault is partly with us for suggesting cli solutions instead of the available gui solutions
[02:16] <axe9> Ok, I'm sorry, however, I've bene going around and around with people here, getting nowhere fast.
[02:16] <axe9> My brand new hard drive is toast
[02:16] <axe9> I can't access XP
[02:16] <theantix> axe9, I can probably assist with that if you give a specific error message
[02:16] <axe9> My parents are gonna make me use the money i'm saving to buy myself a computer, to buy THEIR computer
[02:16] <whiprush> put the XP disc back in and rescue it then
[02:17] <_Hiro_> yeah just install XP again
[02:17] <axe9> yeah
[02:17] <_Hiro_> or configure grub to boot XP :)
[02:17] <axe9> I WOULD but, my hard drive is dead
[02:17] <axe9> BEEN THERE, DONE THAT
[02:17] <_Hiro_> define dead
[02:17] <whiprush> is linux running right now on the same drive?
[02:17] <axe9> dead as in:
[02:17] <nanotech> Hey, i'm new to ubuntu, and linux, and was wondering if i could get a few q's answered...
[02:18] <whiprush> ask
[02:18] <joem> nanotech, just ask
[02:18] <axe9> I puill out the old one, and my machine boots to an error msg: "No hard disk."
[02:18] <axe9> I set it to master, with the old one as slave...
[02:18] <_Hiro_> check your ide cable or master/slave settings
[02:18] <axe9> still gone
[02:18] <nanotech> when i executed ./configure, i was notifyed that i didnt' have any ver of glib
[02:18] <_Hiro_> do a "check for drives" in the BIOS
[02:18] <axe9> I'm not a total idiot,
[02:18] <axe9> yep
[02:18] <axe9> done that
[02:18] <joem> nanotech, probably need the -devel package
[02:19] <nanotech> i checked archive.ubuntu.com to find it; found glib2.0
[02:19] <azeem> they are called -dev
[02:19] <_Hiro_> tried booting with just the XP drive in various configurations?
[02:19] <axe9> I've been into my case like 10 times
[02:19] <UziMonkey> has anyone been having trouble with dhclient not writing to resolv.conf?
[02:19] <axe9> yeah
[02:19] <UziMonkey> if I move my machine to another network, it doesn't write a new DNS server in /etc/resolv.conf, it's the server from my home network
[02:19] <whiprush> how about putting XP on the working drive then?
[02:19] <azeem> nanotech: libglib-2.0-dev
[02:19] <azeem> nanotech: eh, libglib2.0-dev
[02:19] <axe9> my disk is missing files.. or.. something...
[02:19] <nanotech> heh, joem i was told that i needed a devel ver just recently...but this is a bit of background for my prob
[02:20] <nanotech> thanks azeem
[02:20] <axe9> I have a Win98SE disk someone
[02:20] <whiprush> what about the XP disc?
[02:20] <nanotech> what i DID was, apt-get install glib*
[02:20] <nanotech> :(
[02:20] <_Hiro_> warezed or something...  :p
[02:20] <azeem> nanotech: why do you need to compile something anyway?
[02:20] <whiprush> what software are you trying to build nanotech?
[02:20] <axe9> eh...
[02:20] <axe9> yeah..
[02:20] <axe9> I tihn..
[02:20] <nanotech> i just wanted to learn how to complie
[02:20] <axe9> Got it from my friend..
[02:20] <nanotech> no NEED
[02:20] <azeem> nanotech: oh
[02:20] <nanotech> :P
[02:20] <whiprush> well, better go spend 80 bucks for XP or fork over the price of a new PC.
[02:21] <axe9> actually, I used his diskl, and he burned me that one...
[02:21] <_Hiro_> so basically you have no XP disk?
[02:21] <axe9> yeah..
[02:21] <axe9> I'm thinking that might be the only way.,,.
[02:21] <azeem> nanotech: you can install all the needed packages to build a particular package by running 'apt-get build-dep <package>'
[02:21] <_Hiro_> tell your parents Micerosoft killed the disk because they discovered it was an illegal copy
[02:21] <_Hiro_> problem solved
[02:21] <axe9> I've gone into menu.lst and tried every config I can think of
[02:21] <azeem> nanotech: however, you also need to 'apt-get install build-essential'
[02:21] <nanotech> my q: is there a log of the packages i just installed/removed when i ran apt-get install glib*?
[02:21] <theantix> axe9, have you tried UBCD?
[02:21] <solowlr> greetings all
[02:21] <axe9> Huh
[02:21] <axe9> UBCD?
[02:22] <theantix> axe9, ultimate boot CD has a lot of tools for fixing lost windows partitions
[02:22] <axe9> it's not a partition
[02:22] <whiprush> looks like his bios isn't even recognizing the disk
[02:22] <axe9> actually
[02:22] <solowlr> i'd like to build a simple linux box for my kids to surf and play games on, would Ubuntu fit the bill?
[02:22] <axe9> it is..
[02:22] <axe9> sorta..
[02:22] <joem> solowlr, yea
[02:22] <_Hiro_> it may detecting it as CHS instead of LBA
[02:22] <adapt> solowlr, yes
[02:22] <adapt> heh
[02:22] <axe9> when it's plugged in, Ubuntu can't see it, but if I do a BIOS check, it's there..
[02:22] <axe9> I can't access it though...
[02:23] <solowlr> thanks
[02:23] <_Hiro_> solowlr and don't forget tuxracer :D
[02:24] <_Hiro_> axe9 can you see it from a DOS bootdisk?
[02:24] <nanotech> is there a log for these packages? i didn't access any verbose logging when i ran the 'apt-get install glib*'
[02:24] <nanotech> access=put in an argument
[02:25] <nanotech> or is the term option?
[02:25] <whiprush> you could check /var/cache/archives
[02:25] <whiprush> see the actual packages.
[02:26] <azeem> nanotech: there is no useful loggin of installed/removed packages, sadly
[02:27] <nanotech> would it be an easy function to implement? an option to enable writing to a log file when running apt-get?
[02:28] <azeem> I bet it has been a wishlist bug since more than three years now
[02:28] <nanotech> i'm sure of it
[02:28] <azeem> perhaps it'll get implemented soon (i.e. after sarge is out, if mdz continues to hack on apt-ge)
[02:28] <azeem> eh, apt-get
[02:28] <stratus> aka apt
[02:28] <stratus> :)
[02:29] <azeem> yeah, yeah
[02:29] <azeem> stratus: it's APT, anyway :p
[02:29] <stratus> azeem, yeah
[02:29] <stratus> oops, moo
[02:29] <nanotech> how can no-namers like myself contribute to the package dir tree? i'm thinking of trying to complie/package SILC
[02:29] <nanotech> as a personal "learn ubuntu" project
[02:30] <LinuxJones> nanotech, what is SILC ??
[02:30] <nanotech> is there a faq?
[02:30] <stratus> nanotech, i guess that there's a wiki section talking about it.
[02:30] <azeem> nanotech: no idea, I'm not affiliated with ubuntu
[02:30] <stratus> Secure Internet Live Conferecing - SILC, right?
[02:30] <nanotech> yes
[02:31] <stratus> LinuxJones, in other words silc is irc on steroids.
[02:31] <schweeb> there is a FAQ and a wiki
[02:31] <schweeb> and howtos
[02:31] <schweeb> etc...
[02:31] <LinuxJones> stratus, ahh encrypted and whatnot 
[02:31] <schweeb> all on the website
[02:31] <nanotech> faq about packaging/compiling for ubuntu?
[02:31] <schweeb> oh
[02:31] <schweeb> no
[02:31] <whiprush> an ubuntu developer's guide would be cool.
[02:31] <schweeb> same as packaging for debian
[02:31] <whiprush> I suppose you could just adapt the debian one
[02:32] <schweeb> not much to adapt
[02:32] <whiprush> exactly
[02:32] <stratus> LinuxJones, no silc is more irc encrypted is just ircs.
[02:32] <azeem> whiprush: the Debian Developer's guide doesn't talk about packaging though
[02:32] <whiprush> I'm confused then
[02:32] <whiprush> the packaging guide
[02:32] <nanotech> i don't know how to compile yet...:( so i wouldn't even know how to compile this for debian let alone ubuntu
[02:33] <azeem> whiprush: the packaging guide has been somewhat merged with the Debian policy manual
[02:33] <schweeb> whiprush: nice - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/teams/laptop
[02:33] <stratus> nanotech, hmm so try to read first debian new maintainers guide.
[02:33] <whiprush> new maintainer's guide.
[02:33] <nanotech> will do
[02:34] <LinuxJones> stratus, sounds cool I am checking out the silc website :D
[02:34] <nanotech> does ubuntu support mplayer?
[02:35] <stratus> LinuxJones, it really is but i don't know what's it's not being used by the masses.
[02:35] <joebeastie> nanotech: there is an debian apt repo that might work on ubuntu
[02:35] <azeem> nanotech: no, but people have reported succes with running Marillat's mplayer packages on ubuntu
[02:35] <nanotech> i'm browsing synaptic package manager...and just populated an empty query
[02:35] <theantix> wooo... finally got straw to work on ubuntu
[02:35] <joebeastie> yea marillats repo
[02:35] <nanotech> sup joe
[02:35] <nanotech> !
[02:35] <joebeastie> hey
[02:36] <stratus> nanotech, check the FAQ here - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[02:36] <nanotech> :P
[02:36] <stratus> nanotech, "How do i play DVDs?" is for you.
[02:36] <stratus> it fits your question
[02:36] <nanotech> heh, ty
[02:38] <nanotech> btw...what's hunglish?
[02:39] <stratus> a funny name?
[02:39] <nanotech> nah, i somehow go it installed during my "glib*" fiasco
[02:40] <nanotech> well, the package was dled...and i quit the installer. the istalled described a new keyboard layout
[02:40] <azeem> nanotech: apt-cache show hunglish or dpkg -s hunglish will display detailed information
[02:40] <nanotech> installed=installer
[02:41] <nanotech> thanks
[02:45] <nanotech> i've noticed that i cant' navigate "lists" via keystrokes in ubuntu
[02:46] <theantix> lists? can you give an example?
[02:46] <nanotech> yeah; ex: the list of users in this room
[02:46] <theantix> in xchat?
[02:46] <nanotech> :P yeah...
[02:46] <nanotech> not only xchat, however
[02:47] <nanotech> everything in ubuntu, i've tryed it with...
[02:47] <theantix> nanotech, it works fine for me by clicking on the list and using up/down arrows -- must be something with your local config
[02:47] <nanotech> arrows are fine...
[02:47] <nanotech> talking about letter
[02:47] <nanotech> s
[02:47] <azeem> that might not be implemented
[02:47] <theantix> ah, didn't know that was a feature I was even missing
[02:48] <nanotech> like this user list, i highligh a random user, and want to find all that start with "j"
[02:48] <nanotech> i'd type j
[02:48] <nanotech> and it'd highlight the first one with j
[02:48] <azeem> nanotech: file a bug
[02:48] <schweeb> lots of applications don't do that, afaik
[02:48] <nanotech> where at? wiki.ubuntu.xxx?
[02:51] <whiprush> see /topic nanotech 
[02:53] <jdub> morning whiprush, azeem 
[02:53] <whiprush> morning jdub 
[02:54] <jdub> azeem: i watched a video lecture with totem + polypaudio last night
[02:54] <jdub> azeem: hooray for reasonable synchronisation :)
[02:54] <azeem> whoa
[02:54] <nanotech> :P
[02:54] <azeem> it was about time somebody KILLED esd
[02:54] <whiprush> hmmm, I wonder how mozilla-totem is coming along.
[02:56] <whiprush> jdub: I found a "rad" new applet: http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~kuliniew/rhythmbox-applet/
[02:58] <jdub> is that better because it has the controls available all the time, instead of in the menu?
[02:58] <azeem> hmm, I like Keybuk's proposal better
[02:58] <whiprush> yeah
[02:58] <whiprush> I don't know about the time(!) on the panel though
[02:59] <jdub> azeem: is there an 'upstream version' variable available in debian/rules?
[02:59] <jdub> DEB_VERSION ...
[02:59] <jdub> (in cdbs at least)
[02:59] <jdub> but not source
[02:59] <jdub> hrm
[03:00] <azeem> hmm, not sure
[03:00] <azeem> people seem to awk/sed it out of debian/changelog usually, dunno if cdbs supports this (would be a worthwhile wishlist bug if not I guess)
[03:01] <jdub> 'cos it has the debian versions, with/without epoch
[03:03] <sri> sup
[03:03] <jdub> yo sri
[03:03] <sri> hi jdub
[03:03] <sri> :)
[03:03] <jdub> noice
[03:05] <schweeb> sweet
[03:05] <schweeb> gaim just crashed
[03:05] <schweeb> oh shit... something is hosed bigtime
[03:06] <schweeb> schweeb@incubus ~ $ sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:06] <schweeb> bash: /usr/bin/sudo: Input/output error
[03:06] <schweeb> schweeb@incubus ~ $ sudo
[03:06] <schweeb> bash: /usr/bin/sudo: Input/output error
[03:06] <schweeb> schweeb@incubus ~ $ su
[03:06] <schweeb> bash: su: command not found
[03:06] <schweeb> schweeb@incubus ~ $ ls
[03:06] <schweeb> bash: ls: command not found
[03:06] <schweeb> uh. oh.
[03:07] <LinuxJones> wth
[03:07] <stratus> welcome to the hard disk failure world
[03:07] <schweeb> as long as /home and /files aren't hosed, I'll not be mad
[03:08] <schweeb> not necessarily hard disk failure
[03:08] <schweeb> parition, kernel modules
[03:08] <schweeb> could be a number of things
[03:08] <stratus> smartctl saves (sometimes)
[03:08] <whiprush> this happened to me 2 months ago, it was a HD failure.
[03:08] <schweeb> on then Dell?
[03:08] <schweeb> s/then/the/
[03:08] <whiprush> no.
[03:08] <whiprush> maxtor, 200gb drive
[03:09] <stratus> schweeb, if you're not doing anything strange with the system it's a memory failure or a hard disk one.I bet.
[03:09] <whiprush> I'm starting to wonder why the maxtor's are so much cheaper than everything else.
[03:09] <stratus> maxtor? omfg
[03:09] <schweeb> maxtors exist to die
[03:09] <schweeb> seriously
[03:09] <whiprush> dude it was like, 90 dollars.
[03:09] <whiprush> I couldn't pass it up
[03:09] <chutwig> maxtors are fine
[03:09] <schweeb> whiprush: ask G how many Maxtors he's been through
[03:09] <stratus> my maxtor was in trouble a month ago, i've reallocated some sectors using smartctl and dd :)
[03:09] <chutwig> pretty much all hard drives will blow up equally
[03:09] <whiprush> yeah I heard.
[03:09] <whiprush> I need to rma it still
[03:09] <chutwig> i've had seagates die, maxtors die, WDs die, fujitsus die
[03:10] <stratus> My samsungs are still alive (for years and years) and my maxtor is new and borked. ;/
[03:10] <schweeb> chutwig: I've notived a huge disproportionality in favor of Maxtor sucking major ass
[03:10] <chutwig> schweeb: have you ever studied psychology?
[03:10] <stratus> hard disks sucks buy more ram and run live cds.
[03:10] <schweeb> chutwig: have you ever studies real life
[03:10] <schweeb> *studied
[03:11] <chutwig> aww, somebody's getting angry about whether or not i have the same opinion of maxtor as him!  how cute
[03:11] <schweeb> I've talked to maybe 2 people that have had WD's die... I've talked to 20+ people with maxtors that died... this is IRL too
[03:11] <schweeb> not angry
[03:11] <schweeb> you're the one who said I was imagining it
[03:11] <chutwig> um, no
[03:11] <chutwig> i never said imagining
[03:11] <stratus> maxtor sucks, case closed.
[03:11] <schweeb> ^^^
[03:11] <chutwig> yes, very scientific
[03:12] <sabdfl> night all
[03:12] <chutwig> i asked if you had ever studied psychology because i was going to follow up by saying that people will tend to look for the pattern they want and ignore other data
[03:12] <schweeb> yes..
[03:12] <stratus> no, it isn't scientific buy a maxtor that won't fail early is lucky nothing really scientific here.
[03:12] <schweeb> which is where the "imagining" came into play
[03:12] <chutwig> where is the word imagining even being implied?
[03:13] <chutwig> i never said or even implied that you imagined anything
[03:13] <chutwig> at most i implied that you were more likely to forget when a non-maxtor drive died
[03:13] <schweeb> let's just say that the Maxtor RMA department has its work cut out for them, plain and simpmle
[03:13] <schweeb> *simple
[03:13] <chutwig> oh snap, witty comeback
[03:14] <nanotech> what app/packaget supports bulk mp3 playlists?
[03:14] <schweeb> and now to reboot.
[03:14] <chutwig> bulk playlists?
[03:14] <stratus> chutwig, i've received 12 hard disks (SATA) from diferent vendors on the past six months, 5 of them was with problems. I run smart long test on each hard disk before put them in production servers.
[03:14] <nanotech> bulk playlists, as in more than one mp3
[03:14] <chutwig> rhythmbox
[03:14] <stratus> chutwig, all of them were maxtors. Is it enough scientific for you?
[03:14] <nanotech> i want to add whole dir's to my playlists
[03:14] <chutwig> stratus: 12 hard drives is not even remotely near enough to draw a proper conclusion from
[03:15] <stratus> chutwig, all HD failures that i see atm were with maxtors, so...
[03:15] <LinuxJones> nanotech, rhythumbox will do
[03:15] <stratus> chutwig, i'm talking about the past six months only but we can consider the last ten years if you feel better.
[03:16] <chutwig> oh yes, please tell me the sordid story of your involvement with maxtor which i am so very eager indeed to hear
[03:16] <stratus> chutwig, no way i'm not planning to buy maxtor hds anymore.
[03:17] <chutwig> outstanding
[03:17] <stratus> :)
[03:17] <punkass> ill have a nice wifi scanner prog soon for anyone who wants it
[03:18] <chutwig> the RSS feeds are depressingly quiet tonight
[03:21] <nanotech> i ran apt-get to grab rhythmbox, and was notified that i already have the newest ver installed; where can i launch it? And how can i add programs like this to my task-bar?
[03:21] <chutwig> nanotech: multimedia, music player
[03:21] <chutwig> if you want to add launchers to the panel right-click on them in the menu and tell it to add the launcher to the panel
[03:21] <chutwig> and it'll put it up there
[03:22] <LinuxJones> nanotech, alt + F2 then type rhythmbox
[03:23] <nanotech> thanks for the hotkeys!
[03:23] <LinuxJones> :D
[03:25] <nanotech> uhhh, also...i have roughly 100+ gb of mp3's, and will be stress testing ubuntu thusly...i believe that r-box just crashed when trying to browse for my files
[03:26] <nanotech> they are also stored aon a mounted ntfs part.
[03:26] <nanotech> q: does converting ntfs to fat damage the data on that part?
[03:27] <theantix> nanotech, how do you convert ntfs to fat?
[03:28] <nanotech> not exactly sure if it's even possible
[03:28] <chutwig> you can go FAT32 to NTFS, but not the other way
[03:28] <theantix> chutwig, exactly
[03:29] <euler> I need some assistance with an ubuntu install.
[03:29] <LinuxJones> euler, shoot
[03:29] <euler> It gets to the point of installing the boot loader, but the boot loader install fails.
[03:29] <euler> On vt3, it says:
[03:30] <euler> unable to fill /var/lib/dpkg/updates/tmp.i with padding: No space left on device
[03:30] <euler> But a df -h shows that all my mounted devices have plenty of free space.
[03:32] <LinuxJones> euler, I had some problems installing and as it turns out, the cdrom that I burned the iso to was no good. Did you re-format the partitions during install ?
[03:33] <euler> Yes, I did
[03:33] <euler> In fact, I created them just for the purpos of installing ubuntu
[03:33] <euler> s/purpos/purpose
[03:33] <LinuxJones> euler, I would re-start the installation again or is this a re-curring problem ?
[03:34] <euler> I have restarted the installer a couple of times now.
[03:35] <euler> I could do it again.  The last couple of times, I was attempting to install with just a 500 MB /var.
[03:36] <euler> When this last install failed, I did go back and re-partition /var so that it was larger.
[03:37] <LinuxJones> euler, maybe you can delete the partitions and re-create them during the install setup.  
[03:39] <LinuxJones> euler, btw 500 megs is not much for var IMHO, there are lots of changes in packages in Ubuntu and some more space might be a good idea if you can spare it.
[03:40] <euler> I know.  I keep forgetting that debian needs a lot more space in /var than most distro's.
[03:40] <euler> I'm giving it 3 GB now.
[03:40] <LinuxJones> euler, :D
[03:44] <whiprush> if whoever packaged netapplet is in here, thanks.
[03:44] <hornbeck> great program
[03:51] <theantix> whiprush, no problem -- it worked for you?
[03:51] <whiprush> yep
[03:52] <theantix> first time I ever worked with debian packages, so I was a bit nervous ;-)
[03:52] <euler> That seems to have fixed it.
[03:53] <euler> Just for future iterations, it is probably a good idea for the installer to recommend a partition size when you are manually creating partitions.
[03:54] <LinuxJones> euler, I am glad things are working out. You will love Ubuntu :D
[03:59] <euler> I'm glad too.  One of the partitions I wiped out had my grub installation from my last Linux install, and so when I killed it, I lost the ability to boot Windows (which my wife would kill me for).
[04:00] <GoneBoB> heh
[04:00] <GoneBoB> why?
[04:01] <GoneBoB> my fiance uses linux now, and she scoffs at the people who uses windows :)
[04:01] <GoneBoB> *use
[04:01] <LinuxJones> euler, heh you should always have a backup of your bootsector when your dual booting :D
[04:01] <euler> The boot sector was just fine....
[04:02] <LinuxJones> weall make mistakes :D
[04:02] <LinuxJones> jsut tell ur wife that microsoft has a new version out called Ubuntu :P
[04:03] <LinuxJones> it's a beta of Longhorn
[04:03] <euler> GoneBoB: My daughter has some games that may not work under Linux.  And there is only one email client that my wife will use... Eudora.
[04:05] <euler> Other than those few things, I think my family could use Linux easily.
[04:14] <euler> Ok, what's the default root password.  It never prompted me to enter one.
[04:14] <chutwig> root is disabled by default
[04:14] <chutwig> enter your own password
[04:15] <euler> No, I'm logged in, but what if I need to make changes to configuration files and such.
[04:15] <chutwig> use sudo
[04:15] <euler> I'm in the sudoers file by default?
[04:15] <chutwig> yes
[04:20] <LinuxJones> night all time for some Quake and music 
[04:22] <euler> that's cool.  I'm used to having to set that stuff up myself.
[04:23] <axe9dotcom> ARGH!
[04:23] <axe9dotcom> NOTHING HELPS
[04:23] <axe9dotcom> T_T
[04:24] <euler> Umm, is there any particular reason that vim isn't compiled for X?
[04:27] <sri> any support for ndiswrapper?
[04:27] <Mithrandir> no, but we're discussing how and where to include it
[04:27] <sri> ok, cool.
[04:27] <sri> yeah, thas a problem given the philosophy
[04:27] <Niterider> hello
[04:28] <Mithrandir> it's not possible to support, more or less.
[04:28] <sri> :/
[04:28] <Mithrandir> even if you don't look at the philosophical problems.
[04:28] <sri> license issues?
[04:28] <sri> or legal issues rahter?
[04:28] <Mithrandir> sri: support as in "being able to fix problems with", not support as in "make available".
[04:28] <sri> Mithrandir: ah, yes..sorry, wasn't thinking in that vein
[04:28] <Niterider> question, is flash and java included in ubuntu?
[04:29] <sri> Niterider: java isn't free software.
[04:29] <Niterider> ok
[04:29] <sri> flash might be, or rather swf
[04:29] <Niterider> k
[04:29] <sri> of course I can't speak authoritatively, since I'm just a consumer
[04:29] <Niterider> so if i choose to stick with this ubuntu, i can't have a jre for things like chat
[04:30] <axe9dotcom> Is anyone who knows my problem online?
[04:30] <sri> Niterider: you can if you download it from Sun's website
[04:30] <axe9dotcom> :D
[04:30] <axe9dotcom> it's easy to install :D
[04:30] <sri> Niterider: it's just can't come with the cd thats all.
[04:30] <Niterider> ok...never done it for a deb based system, i assume i grab the self extracting...not the rpm...correct?
[04:31] <sri> Niterider: so it's just not possible to have it "out of hte box"
[04:31] <Niterider> ok...that's no prob
[04:31] <Niterider> i understand that
[04:31] <sri> Niterider: you can probably get rpm support, I don't know how you can have both packaging sytem, but someome may have made a deb of java somewhere.
[04:31] <sri> Niterider: try googling it
[04:32] <Se7h> does anyone has unreal tournament installed?
[04:32] <Niterider> i got used to having to get it when i used to use mdl, just been spoiled lately witrh things like mepis and such.....btw...i've only basically just installed this, but so far i love what i see
[04:32] <punkass> installing it now
[04:32] <Niterider> k..i'll google
[04:33] <sri> install is still kind of buggy :/
[04:33] <punkass> Niterider: if you've updated to the new firefox (via apt-get/synaptic) i think it has a build in feature that gets flash for you
[04:33] <Niterider> cool, that's all i'll need
[04:33] <Niterider> ty
[04:34] <punkass> and as far as java goes..just get it from sun..and follow the instructions..its pretty easy
[04:34] <Niterider> i'll be back, gonna surf a bit, see if i can take to this gnome desktop...not usually a big fan of it
[04:35] <punkass> http://www.java.com/en/download/linux_manual.jsp
[04:35] <Niterider> k...will do...thanks a bunch
[04:35] <punkass> np
[04:35] <Niterider> bbl
[04:35] <punkass> wlist scan would find to Cells both witht he same ESSID from the same router?
[04:36] <punkass> one has a MAC addy and one is just 00s
[04:37] <sri> ahh..there it goes
[04:38] <sri> something ws wrong with the physical media in the last cd.
[04:43] <whiprush> sri: woo, you can make it!
[04:47] <sri> although I can't seem to figure out how to make the ndiswrapper module
[04:47] <sri> when I do it says the format is wrong when doing a modprobe
[04:48] <jblack> sri, want to proof them too? 
[04:49] <sri> proof?
[04:49] <jblack> I've written 5 minihowtos on using arch.
[04:49] <jblack> I'm trying to write them at a rate of 1-2 a day
[04:49] <sri> sure.
[04:49] <jblack> Ok. I think I know your email
[04:53] <cybrjackle|lappy> I saw during the install "lvm" during partioning, does it support creating lvm slices like /usr /var blah blah blah during initial install?
[04:53] <cybrjackle|lappy> i would assume yes
[04:53] <cybrjackle|lappy> but want to make sure before i move my server :0
[04:57] <elmaya> hello
[04:57] <elmaya> my ubuntu wont start, i did some updates and now it hangs when loading the splash screen in gnome :( 
[04:58] <cybrjackle|lappy> are you at the command line now?
[04:58] <elmaya> nop
[04:58] <elmaya> now im in windows jeje
[04:59] <elmaya> is there a way like undu the updates
[04:59] <cybrjackle|lappy> can you "ctrl + alt + F1" when the splash screen locks
[04:59] <elmaya> i can
[04:59] <cybrjackle|lappy> you might try and do that, kill gdm
[05:00] <elmaya> let me restart
[05:00] <cybrjackle|lappy> and see what happens w/ startx
[05:00] <cybrjackle|lappy> maybe that will give you an error before gnome locks
[05:00] <cybrjackle|lappy> bye :)
[05:03] <elmaya> ok command line now
[05:04] <sri> elmaya: interesting, I"m running into the same thing
[05:04] <cybrjackle|lappy> does startx give you an error
[05:05] <elmaya> :(
[05:05] <cybrjackle|lappy> or anything from /var/log/XFree86.*
[05:05] <elmaya> is not an X error
[05:05] <cybrjackle|lappy> just gnome locks up
[05:05] <elmaya> gnome splash screen hangs and nothing happens
[05:07] <sri> yeah, I"m having the exact same problem..
[05:07] <sri> not sure whats causing it though
[05:08] <elmaya> i uptated like everything was updatable and reboot then this
[05:09] <sri> I'm not certain what causes the hang
[05:09] <sri> the machine isn't looked up but gnome-session si refusing to forward
[05:09] <cybrjackle|lappy> hum
[05:10] <elmaya> should i reinstall?
[05:10] <sri> I wouldn't.
[05:10] <cybrjackle|lappy> i just checked updates for my self and gnome-panel gnome-panel-data are there to be updated
[05:10] <cybrjackle|lappy> I wonder if they are the bad debs
[05:10] <elmaya> is there a way to remove those
[05:10] <cybrjackle|lappy> resintall +updates will probably get you to the same place
[05:11] <cybrjackle|lappy> I don't know if those are bad, i'm just stabbing at the dark atm
[05:11] <elmaya> hehe
[05:11] <elmaya> ok
[05:11] <cybrjackle|lappy> apt-get remove 
[05:11] <cybrjackle|lappy> if you want to try
[05:11] <elmaya> ok
[05:11] <cybrjackle|lappy> but they could be deps to gnome as a whole
[05:11] <elmaya> mm
[05:11] <elmaya> true
[05:12] <cybrjackle|lappy> gnome-panel is what is your "panel" so i assume that is needed.
[05:12] <cybrjackle|lappy> I'm not sure how you cold "roll back" the changes
[05:12] <cybrjackle|lappy> let me dig around
[05:13] <elmaya> like a "sistem restore" in windows hehe
[05:14] <defendguin> the kernel source wouldnt happen to be on the ubuntu install cd would it?
[05:14] <elmaya> hey defendguin 
[05:14] <jdub> nup, too big
[05:14] <defendguin> damn
[05:14] <jdub> the kernel headers are, though
[05:14] <jdub> (i think)
[05:14] <jdub> which should be all you need for most third-party build requirements
[05:14] <defendguin> i cant get my wireless working 
[05:14] <cybrjackle|lappy> jdub, you see the problems people are having with gnome?
[05:15] <defendguin> kernel-headers is the package name?
[05:15] <sri> cybrjackle|lappy: yeah, mine is like a fresh cd from today I think
[05:15] <jdub> cybrjackle|lappy: apt-cache search kernel-headers
[05:15] <tseng> jdub: stuff ive buildt has wanted a build/ link in /lib/modules/blah to the kernel source
[05:15] <jdub> cybrjackle|lappy: apt-cache search linux-headers
[05:15] <cybrjackle|lappy> ok
[05:15] <cybrjackle|lappy> what do you want the whole list?
[05:16] <jdub> cybrjackle|lappy: you want the whole list :)
[05:16] <defendguin> jdub, were you telling me to do that search?
[05:16] <jdub> yeah, sorry
[05:16] <jdub> interleaved questions
[05:16] <jdub> cybrjackle|lappy: no idea
[05:16] <jdub> cybrjackle|lappy: which problem?
[05:16] <cybrjackle|lappy> not me, but a couple people can't get into gnome
[05:16] <elmaya> i can't
[05:16] <jdub> what's happening?
[05:17] <elmaya> gnome splash hangs
[05:17] <cybrjackle|lappy> the only updates i see for me tonight are gnome-panel & data that have to do with gnome.
[05:17] <cybrjackle|lappy> i did some updates about 3-5 hours ago
[05:17] <jdub> elmaya: what happens if you click on the splash?
[05:17] <elmaya> nothing
[05:17] <elmaya> the mouse works
[05:17] <elmaya> but nothing more
[05:17] <jdub> do you have a ~/.gnome2/session file?
[05:17] <elmaya> lets see
[05:18] <defendguin> hmmm i already have the headers installed
[05:19] <cybrjackle|lappy> can you "roll back" upgrade's in apt-get ?
[05:19] <defendguin> when i make it is looking for a /lib/modules/2.6.blah/build directory
[05:19] <elmaya> jdub: i believe not
[05:19] <sri> jdub: I got the same problem
[05:20] <sri> jdub: I brought up gnome without gnome-session
[05:21] <cybrjackle|lappy> how woudl you bring up gnome w/out gnome-session?
[05:22] <elmaya> if i create anothe user..should it fix it?
[05:22] <axe9dotcom> ARGH!
[05:23] <axe9dotcom> The hell I'm not the owner!
[05:23] <axe9dotcom> How do I set myself up as the rootusr / owner
[05:23] <sri> cybrjackle|lappy: I run X so it only pulls up an xterm, and then I start doing metacity, gnome-panel, nautilus
[05:23] <cybrjackle|lappy> axe9dotcom, sudo passwd root
[05:23] <sri> cybrjackle|lappy: it's not all of it but it's enough to see which parts might be causing the problem
[05:24] <elmaya> brb
[05:24] <cybrjackle|lappy> sri, try opeing gnome-pannel
[05:24] <elmaya> trying with another user
[05:24] <sri> however, strace on gnoem-sesion tells me that it's polling file handle 17
[05:24] <sri> cybrjackle|lappy: it works fine and I did an apt-get upgrade earlier
[05:24] <cybrjackle|lappy> hum
[05:24] <sri> 17 works out to be /tmp/orbit-sri/bonbo-activation-server-ior
[05:25] <axe9dotcom> :|
[05:25] <axe9dotcom> ah...
[05:26] <axe9dotcom> how do I do things like changing permisions?
[05:26] <cybrjackle|lappy> axe9dotcom, for what
[05:26] <hiweed> hey buddies
[05:26] <hiweed> how to mirror ubuntu archives, i386 only?
[05:26] <sri> killing the activation server, makes the process go further
[05:27] <cybrjackle|lappy> hiweed, are you askig for mirrors of ubuntu for deb packages?
[05:27] <hiweed> yes
[05:27] <cybrjackle|lappy> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[05:27] <axe9dotcom> Like
[05:27] <elmaya> well same thing.. 
[05:27] <axe9dotcom> I want to move somethign into my Mozilla dir
[05:27] <cybrjackle|lappy> just add one of those to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:27] <elmaya> where are the daily images isos?
[05:27] <axe9dotcom> but it says I'm not the owner
[05:27] <cybrjackle|lappy> axe9dotcom, like a plugin?
[05:28] <cybrjackle|lappy> did you try "sudo" in front of it?
[05:28] <sri> so it looks like the culprit maybe gnome-settings-daemon
[05:28] <hiweed> Oh no, cybrjackle|lappy
[05:28] <axe9dotcom> yeah
[05:28] <axe9dotcom> the jre one
[05:28] <cybrjackle|lappy> sudo cp <filename> /wherever_it_is
[05:28] <axe9dotcom> I installed it
[05:29] <cybrjackle|lappy> just use "sudo" in front of whatever you are doing
[05:29] <elmaya> where are the latest isos of ubuntu?
[05:29] <axe9dotcom> but I still need it in the plugins folder to view java
[05:29] <cybrjackle|lappy> axe9dotcom, ^^
[05:29] <hiweed> I wanna mirror ubuntu i386 arch to my LAN, to give local poeple an apt-source
[05:29] <elmaya> i hate to reinstall :(
[05:29] <axe9dotcom> eh....
[05:29] <cybrjackle|lappy> hiweed, ah
[05:29] <axe9dotcom> I wasn't using the terminal................
[05:29] <sri> elmaya: if you re-install especially with the latest version it'll still mess up
[05:29] <sri> elmaya: there is somethign going on wtih gnome-session and gnome-settings-daemon
[05:30] <elmaya> fuck
[05:30] <cybrjackle|lappy> axe9dotcom, you need to, your doing root stuff
[05:30] <axe9dotcom> >.>
[05:30] <axe9dotcom> fuck
[05:30] <sri> elmaya: are yous till at the part it's hanging?
[05:30] <axe9dotcom> ack
[05:30] <axe9dotcom> sorry
[05:30] <elmaya> so i reinstall with the original and don't do updates
[05:30] <cybrjackle|lappy> you need to make links, not copy
[05:30] <axe9dotcom> >.<
[05:30] <hiweed> cybrjackle|lappy, thanks for your replay.
[05:30] <axe9dotcom> How do I do.. tha..
[05:30] <sri> elmaya: right
[05:30] <sri> elmaya: but there is one workaround if you want to try it
[05:30] <cybrjackle|lappy> hiweed, so you want to d/l all the debs from a mirror to your local box and turn that into a repo for local lan users?
[05:31] <elmaya> or i wil wait to release...or rc
[05:31] <hiweed> I wanna mirror only the i386 arch, howto? does deb-mirror package still works?
[05:31] <cybrjackle|lappy> axe9dotcom, what are you doing with java?
[05:31] <sri> elmaya: do you want to try it?
[05:31] <cybrjackle|lappy> j2re, sdk, what do you have?
[05:31] <axe9dotcom> TRying to set it up for the web
[05:31] <elmaya> sri: whats the workarround
[05:31] <axe9dotcom> so i can see java things
[05:31] <hiweed> yes cybrjackle|lappy
[05:31] <sri> elmaya: do a control-alt-F1, login,
[05:32] <sri> elmaya: then do a ps auxww | grep bonobo-activation-server
[05:32] <sri> elmaya: kill the PID associated iwth it (eg kill <number>) and it should continue forward
[05:32] <cybrjackle|lappy> axe9dotcom, follow this:  http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php
[05:32] <elmaya> lets see
[05:33] <sri> make sure you do control-alt-F7 to get back to this screen :)
[05:33] <cybrjackle|lappy> hiweed, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.html
[05:33] <euler> jblack: I would be interested in looking at your arch howto's as well.  I am a novice arch user.  I used it for one of my classes last year, but I could never get the hang of being able to work the way I like with it.
[05:34] <jblack> euler: Ok. I'll send you some prepublished ones that you can review, with the promise that you'll tell me how understandable they are. :) 
[05:34] <jblack> what's your email address? 
[05:34] <almostlucky> what is the command I would run to show if I have a certain package installed, vim for instance?
[05:34] <euler> ntenney@gmail.com
[05:34] <jblack> does everyone use gmail these days? 
[05:34] <elmaya> sri: well it worked... a screen warns that themes wont work 
[05:34] <hiweed> Thank you cybrjackle|lappy. God bless you!
[05:34] <cybrjackle|lappy> yw
[05:34] <elmaya> thanks for the tip sri 
[05:34] <euler> It's the new geek "in" thing :)
[05:34] <elmaya> brb
[05:35] <Hmmmmm_> anyone using kde with ubuntu?
[05:35] <cybrjackle|lappy> not i
[05:35] <jblack> sent
[05:36] <euler> jblack: cool.
[05:36] <cybrjackle|lappy> hiweed, here is another one.  https://www.bioinformatics.uwaterloo.ca/~tvinar/wiki/index.php?DebianLinuxPackaging
[05:36] <jblack> Hmmmm: I am.
[05:36] <sri> I didn't think kde was in unbuntu yet
[05:36] <euler> hmm, bioinformatics...
[05:36] <cybrjackle|lappy> universe
[05:36] <jblack> sri: I don't know if it's completely working yet, but the last time I checked, it was *VERY* close.
[05:37] <cybrjackle|lappy> euler, whats up w/ bioinformatics?
[05:37] <cybrjackle|lappy> i'm just googling 
[05:37] <hiweed> GREAT MAN, cybrjackle|lappy
[05:37] <sri> jblack: okay..it'snot I'm waiting with bated breath or anything I'm not a kde user :)
[05:38] <Hmmmmm_> anyone using kde with ubuntu?
[05:39] <elmaya> back
[05:40] <Hmmmmm_> jblack, did u apt-get kde 3.3?
[05:40] <euler> cybrjackle|lappy: I work with bioinformatics people.
[05:40] <cybrjackle|lappy> 8)
[05:40] <cybrjackle|lappy> i thought it was either that or there something wrong with the people, or maybe both :)
[05:41] <sri> I'm a little confused on how to build a module using the debian kernel-headers
[05:41] <sri> make KSRC=/path/to/kernel/headers?
[05:41] <tuppa> sri: make-kpkg modules_image
[05:41] <jblack> No. I'm using 3.2
[05:41] <jblack> Back when I installed kde, ubuntu wasn't doing it, so I pulled that from debian.
[05:41] <Hmmmmm_> jblack but did u apt-get it?
[05:41] <jblack> yeah.
[05:42] <jblack> actually, dselect may be out of date. Let me update first
[05:42] <Hmmmmm_> what are the packages you requested for?
[05:42] <Hmmmmm_> the thing is i wana migrate from fc2 to ubuntu
[05:42] <Hmmmmm_> and i luv gnome 2.8
[05:42] <Hmmmmm_> but my bro uses kde
[05:43] <Hmmmmm_> so i need to make surei cna get kde
[05:43] <jblack> Actually, I am at 3.3. sorry for the confusion
[05:43] <Hmmmmm_> ok
[05:44] <Hmmmmm_> which packages did u requets for?
[05:44] <calc> kde 3.3.0 for sid is being updated this week
[05:44] <calc> so you can probably pull it in or recompile it for ubuntu
[05:45] <Hmmmmm_> but is kde available for ubuntu?
[05:45] <cybrjackle|lappy> yes
[05:45] <cybrjackle|lappy> 3.2
[05:45] <cybrjackle|lappy> in "universe" i believe
[05:45] <Hmmmmm_> and when is 3.3 expected?
[05:45] <cybrjackle|lappy> # wajig show kdebase
[05:45] <cybrjackle|lappy> Package: kdebase
[05:45] <cybrjackle|lappy> Priority: optional
[05:45] <cybrjackle|lappy> Section: universe/kde
[05:46] <cybrjackle|lappy> Version: 4:3.2.2-1ubuntu2
[05:46] <jdub> Hmmmmm_: probably not until hoary
[05:46] <cybrjackle|lappy> means it is in the universe pool
[05:46] <Hmmmmm_> wud it be safe to pull it off a sid repository?
[05:46] <jdub> Hmmmmm_: no
[05:46] <GoneBoB> Hmmmmm_: not recommended
[05:47] <Hmmmmm_> ok
[05:47] <Hmmmmm_> well i guess i cna make do with kde 3.2 then
[05:47] <Hmmmmm_> what packages shouldi request for?
[05:47] <Hmmmmm_> can i just do: " apt-get install kde"?
[05:47] <jdub> you should be able to
[05:48] <axe9dotcom> :|
[05:48] <axe9dotcom> Apt-get isn't working for me...
[05:48] <cybrjackle|lappy> just add "universe" to your sources.list
[05:48] <cybrjackle|lappy> that was to Hmmmmm_ ^^
[05:48] <Hmmmmm_> universe is added to my sources
[05:48] <cybrjackle|lappy> k
[05:49] <cybrjackle|lappy> axe9dotcom, remove that java from your sources.list
[05:49] <cybrjackle|lappy> axe9dotcom, follow this guide http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian
[05:49] <Hmmmmm_> cybrjackle|lappy, so i can now just "apt-get install kde"?
[05:49] <axe9dotcom> I am
[05:49] <cybrjackle|lappy> i would think Hmmmmm_
[05:50] <sri> okay, I have a feeling that the reason I can't get ndiswrapper to load
[05:50] <Hmmmmm_> kewl thanks
[05:50] <cybrjackle|lappy> i don't use kde, but i don't use/install it
[05:50] <Hmmmmm_> i dont use it either
[05:50] <sri> is because the compiler used to compile the debian kernel and what I'm using are different
[05:50] <Hmmmmm_> my bro uses it
[05:50] <cybrjackle|lappy> i just did an apt-get install kde and it has 255 pacakges to install, so yes :0
[05:50] <sri> what version of gcc was used to compile ubuntu's kernel?
[05:50] <Hmmmmm_> he warns me that if i dont install kde he'll make me install windoze
[05:50] <cybrjackle|lappy> gcc version 3.3.4 (Debian 1:3.3.4-9ubuntu5)
[05:51] <Hmmmmm_> cybrjackle|lappy, thanks for ur guidance
[05:51] <cybrjackle|lappy> np
[05:51] <cybrjackle|lappy> sri, cat /proc/version
[05:52] <Hmmmmm_> are there any linux tools for converting dat files to mpeg?
[05:53] <sri> hm..the gcc versions match
[05:53] <sri> I don't knwo why I can't seem to modprobe ndiswrapper
[05:53] <GoneBoB> Hmmmmm_: why do you need to - mplayer plays them as it
[05:53] <cybrjackle|lappy> sri, did you build it as a modules
[05:53] <defendguin> hmmm
[05:53] <GoneBoB> as is
[05:53] <cybrjackle|lappy> is it already loaded
[05:53] <sri> it dies in wrapper_init, and it says "check utils version mismatch"
[05:53] <Hmmmmm_> a friend wants something converted
[05:53] <Hmmmmm_> i dunno why
[05:53] <defendguin> how do you install a source deb file?
[05:54] <Hmmmmm_> GoneBoB, do u know how to convert it?
[05:54] <cybrjackle|lappy> defendguin, apt-get source <name>
[05:54] <sri> cybrjackle|lappy: I did, well, here is what I did.
[05:54] <sri> cybrjackle|lappy: apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.8.1-2
[05:54] <defendguin> cybrjackle|lappy, i have not internet connection
[05:55] <cybrjackle|lappy> oh
[05:55] <axe9dotcom> -_-
[05:55] <axe9dotcom> --__--
[05:55] <sri> cybrjackle|lappy: then in /usr/src I linked linux-headers-2.6.8-1-2 to linux (symlink)
[05:55] <GoneBoB> Hmmmmm_: mencoder can do it, but man mencoder is your friend
[05:55] <sri> cybrjackle|lappy: then in teh ndiswrapper source area, I just typed make and it started toc ompile it
[05:55] <defendguin> i did dpkg -i foo_source.deb
[05:55] <Hmmmmm_> thanks GoneBoB
[05:55] <axe9dotcom> Why isn't sudo apt-get updates working?
[05:55] <sri> cybrjackle|lappy: and then make install
[05:55] <defendguin> but that didnt seem to build anything
[05:56] <sri> cybrjackle|lappy: any ideas?
[05:56] <sri> cybrjackle|lappy: the only other thing I can do is build a custom kernel
[05:56] <cybrjackle|lappy> why did you make a link to linux?
[05:57] <cybrjackle|lappy> did you get the kernel-source pacakges sri,
[05:57] <sri> cybrjackle|lappy: cybrjackle|lappy easier than make KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-x.x.x
[05:57] <sri> cybrjackle|lappy: I haven't. I thought you only needed the linux-headers
[05:57] <cybrjackle|lappy> hum, not sure
[05:57] <sri> cybrjackle|lappy: if you're going to just make a module from the stock debian one
[06:00] <sri> I think my plan of attack is to build a new kernel
[06:00] <sri> and just do it that way
[06:01] <cybrjackle|lappy> sri, do you need gcc installed?
[06:01] <cybrjackle|lappy> do you have it installed
[06:01] <sri> I did
[06:01] <cybrjackle|lappy> k
[06:03] <sri> anyways, I'll work on it later.
[06:03] <sri> I'm sure I can do it with a custom kernel
[06:03] <sri> in fact I did earlier, I'm just not able to do it..
[06:03] <cybrjackle|lappy> i need a smoke and some more caffine, going to be up tell 5am working on stuff.. :(
[06:04] <cybrjackle|lappy> i'm out for now, l8r all
[06:10] <axe9dotcom> er...
[06:10] <axe9dotcom> How do I make a dir in a protected folder?
[06:14] <defendguin> where are the kernel headers kept?
[06:18] <Hmmmmm_> how do i install java in ubuntu? i need to run limewire
[06:19] <joem> go to the sun site and follow the instructions
[06:19] <axe9dotcom> www.sun.com
[06:19] <defendguin> Hmmmmm_, lime sucks use giFT and giFTui
[06:19] <Hmmmmm_> cant i apt-get java?
[06:19] <Hmmmmm_> likei did in fc2?
[06:20] <joem> java isn't free software, so it isn't on the mirrors
[06:20] <Hmmmmm_> ic
[06:20] <Hmmmmm_> any unofficial deba?
[06:20] <joem> google
[06:20] <Hmmmmm_> any unoficcial debs?
[06:21] <axe9dotcom> eh?
[06:21] <jdub> Hmmmmm_: read ubuntu-users, or the FAQ
[06:21] <axe9dotcom> java isn't free?
[06:21] <jdub> axe9dotcom: 'Free', no, 'free', yes.
[06:21] <axe9dotcom> :|
[06:23] <Hmmmmm_> its hard to believe that some kind soul hasnt built a deb for it
[06:24] <joem> It is pretty easy to install the binary from the sun site
[06:24] <joem> or so I have heard anyways
[06:24] <jdub> Hmmmmm_: there are numerous mails on ubuntu-users and items on the faq that point to packages
[06:24] <Hmmmmm_> joem, i'll give it a shot
[06:24] <Hmmmmm_> jdub, thanks
[06:31] <defendguin> the kernel header files are not available on the CD :(
[06:33] <lamont> no linux-headers-2.6.8.1 package?
[06:33] <defendguin> nope
[06:34] <defendguin> linux-kernel-headers but i was told this was the user space headers
[06:34] <lamont> right.
[06:34] <joem> linux-headers-2.6.8.1-2
[06:34] <lamont> linux-kernel-headers is userspace, linux-headers is for building kernel modules and the like
[06:35] <lamont> certainly available over the network if it's not on the CD.
[06:35] <defendguin> lamont, i need the headers to build my driver to make my card work
[06:35] <defendguin> so i can get on the net
[06:35] <lamont> ... so that you can get on the network.
[06:36] <lamont> the stuf in restricted (which should be on the CD..) doesn't have it?
[06:36] <defendguin> hmmm ok let me add chack again
[06:36] <defendguin> nope
[06:36] <defendguin> not there
[06:37] <axe9dotcom> what's the chmod command for changing a folder to write/read/execute
[06:37] <joem> axe9dotcom, man chmod
[06:37] <joem> will give you all the different options
[06:38] <defendguin> maybe i can just download the file from this computer
[06:39] <axe9dotcom> ooooh
[06:39] <axe9dotcom> thanks ^^
[06:39] <defendguin> i cant seem to find where to download the file from
[06:41] <ionrock> hello, I just installed ubuntu on a laptop and when I did it I didn't have the network plugged in, I had to enter dns server entries manually. How can I specify that I want it to try and get the dns servers automatically
[06:41] <defendguin> i must say this sucks
[06:43] <axe9dotcom> oooh
[06:43] <axe9dotcom> How do I make symbolic links/
[06:43] <whiprush> ln -s sourcefile targetfile
[06:44] <axe9dotcom> k
[06:44] <axe9dotcom> sooo
[06:45] <axe9dotcom> to create a symbolic link to the java thing, to my usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ folder Ido...
[06:45] <ionrock> the reason I ask is when I was installing it there was a note saying that I could use a specific utility to setup the network
[06:45] <defendguin> :-|
[06:46] <defendguin> does no one know where i can download a ubuntu deb file?
[06:46] <whiprush> ln -s /whereeverjavais/plugins /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[06:46] <Hmmm> anyone know of any good repositories for ubuntu?
[06:46] <whiprush> sec
[06:46] <whiprush> I have the right one
[06:46] <whiprush> Hmmm: try this: http://www.arslinux.com/~jorge/sources.list
[06:47] <ionrock> I have used the normal universe archives
[06:47] <goatboy_> defendguin: which deb?
[06:47] <defendguin> linux-headers
[06:48] <defendguin> or kernel-headers
[06:48] <Hmmm> whiprush, thanks
[06:48] <defendguin> whichever i need for building the ndiswrapper
[06:48] <Hmmm> but wont this debian stuff be bad for my system?
[06:48] <goatboy_> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.8.1/
[06:48] <whiprush> Hmmm: your mileage may vary, but it works for me
[06:48] <Hmmm> ok thanks
[06:49] <defendguin> much appreciated
[06:49] <axe9dotcom> ln -s /home/family/j2re1.4.2_05/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
[06:49] <whiprush> ln -s /home/family/j2re1.4.2_05/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
[06:49] <whiprush> oops
[06:50] <whiprush> you want that libjavaplugin_oji.so at the end there too
[06:51] <Hmmm> whiprush, this stuff looks cool. thanks a ton for these repositories
[06:51] <whiprush> woo.
[06:51] <whiprush> I should probably add the symlink thing
[06:52] <axe9dotcom> it did it anyways
[06:52] <axe9dotcom> HOWEVER
[06:52] <axe9dotcom> java still doesn't...
[06:53] <Hmmm> i installed ubuntu a few days back
[06:53] <whiprush> oh wait
[06:53] <whiprush> for firefox
[06:53] <whiprush>  /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[06:53] <Hmmm> and i wana now use my main /home directory that i share between fc2 and mdk with ubuntu
[06:53] <Hmmm> can i do it on the fly?
[06:53] <Hmmm> if os how?
[06:53] <whiprush> ln -s /usr/lib/j2sdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[06:53] <whiprush> that should work
[06:54] <whiprush> Hmmm: they need to be seperate partitions
[06:54] <Hmmm> ya i hav a separate /home on my machine
[06:54] <Hmmm> but when i instaled ubuntu i didnt setup a /home
[06:55] <Hmmm> coz i wasnt sure how ubuntu would feel
[06:55] <Agrajag> Hmmm: edit /etc/fstab and make /home your home partition
[06:55] <Hmmm> nowi luv it too much
[06:55] <Hmmm> i wan dump fc2 totally
[06:55] <Hmmm> Agrajag is that all?
[06:55] <axe9dotcom> damn...
[06:55] <Agrajag> mostly.
[06:55] <axe9dotcom> still oesn't work
[06:55] <Agrajag> You'll need tomake sure everything will still point at the right places
[06:55] <Agrajag> same username?
[06:56] <Agrajag> home at /home/username?
[06:56] <Hmmm> adapt maybe it wub be easier to just do a resinatl?
[06:56] <Hmmm> reinstall
[06:56] <Agrajag> not at all
[06:56] <Hmmm> so i jus edit my fstab
[06:56] <Agrajag> just change that setting in fstab
[06:56] <Hmmm> make sure that my username is the same
[06:56] <Hmmm> and thats it?
[06:56] <Agrajag> then you'll need to move your current /home
[06:57] <Agrajag> and make an empty /hme to serve as a mountpoint
[06:57] <Hmmm> where do i move that?
[06:57] <Agrajag> er, empty /home
[06:57] <Agrajag> anywhere
[06:57] <Hmmm> ok
[06:57] <Agrajag> just rename it when you're ready
[06:57] <whiprush> ugh
[06:57] <Hmmm> what do i put in my fstab?
[06:57] <whiprush> I lose all my bookmarks everytime I start FF.
[06:57] <Agrajag> mv /home /home-old
[06:57] <Hmmm> partition is hda8
[06:58] <Agrajag> what filesystem
[06:58] <Hmmm> ext3
[06:58] <Hmmm> so i log out
[06:58] <Hmmm> edit /etc/fstab
[06:58] <Agrajag> /dev/hda8       /home           ext3 noatime         0       2
[06:58] <Hmmm> mv /home /home-old
[06:59] <Agrajag> log out, log in on a VC as root, edit /etc/fstab, move /home, and reboot
[06:59] <axe9dotcom> how do I delete stuff/
[06:59] <Agrajag> make sure root has a password, so you can log in as root if this goes bad
[06:59] <axe9dotcom> is it del <filename>
[06:59] <Agrajag> rm
[06:59] <Hmmm> vc?
[06:59] <Agrajag> virtual console
[06:59] <Hmmm> ok
[06:59] <Agrajag> don't log into gnome as root
[06:59] <Hmmm> i cant log into gnome as root anyay 
[07:00] <schweeb> you don't need to have a root password...
[07:00] <Agrajag> yes, because root has no password
[07:00] <schweeb> you can still log in to your user on a virtual console
[07:00] <schweeb> and use sudo
[07:00] <Agrajag> schweeb: what happens then, if he has no home?
[07:00] <schweeb> same as always
[07:00] <Agrajag> schweeb: uh
[07:00] <schweeb> it'll just say no home
[07:00] <schweeb> and set his home as /
[07:00] <Agrajag> I suppose
[07:00] <Hmmm> ok
[07:00] <Agrajag> anyway
[07:00] <Agrajag> go for it
[07:00] <Hmmm> thanks man
[07:00] <axe9dotcom> erm...
[07:01] <axe9dotcom> deleting locked files
[07:01] <Hmmm> how do i change the userid in ubuntu?
[07:01] <Agrajag> not "erm", "rm"
[07:01] <axe9dotcom> how?
[07:01] <schweeb> that's what it's done for me numerous times with my LDAP users when they don't have a home
[07:01] <Hmmm> coz i need to put the same uid as fc2
[07:01] <axe9dotcom> lol
[07:01] <Agrajag> axe9dotcom: what do you mean by "locked"?
[07:01] <schweeb> Hmmm: are you dual booting?
[07:01] <Agrajag> Hmmm: change it in /etc/passwd
[07:01] <schweeb> or did you switch?
[07:01] <Hmmm> well im using multipe linux distros
[07:01] <Hmmm> 5 of them right now
[07:01] <Hmmm> ok thanks
[07:01] <schweeb> ahhh, okay, then changing the uid is the right way
[07:02] <Hmmm> i want to switch
[07:02] <Agrajag> it goes user:pass:UID:GID:ECOS:home:shell
[07:02] <schweeb> I was gonna say, you could use chown if you had switchted entirely
[07:02] <axe9dotcom> by locked, I mean the chmod is set so I can't delete anything or write anythig to the folder
[07:02] <Hmmm> but i dont wana jump thats all
[07:02] <Hmmm> one step at a atime
[07:02] <Agrajag> axe9dotcom: fix the permissions, or delete it as root if you can't do that
[07:02] <Agrajag> root can delete whatever the hell he wants
[07:03] <axe9dotcom> what the command for delete in root?
[07:03] <Agrajag> uh, it's still rm
[07:03] <axe9dotcom> I tried del and delete...
[07:03] <axe9dotcom> rm?
[07:03] <Agrajag> that's DOs crap
[07:03] <Agrajag> yes
[07:03] <Agrajag> rm
[07:03] <Agrajag> if you ned root privileges, use sudo
[07:03] <Agrajag> sudo rm <file>
[07:04] <axe9dotcom> ooooh
[07:04] <axe9dotcom> remove
[07:04] <axe9dotcom> lol
[07:04] <Agrajag> or sudo rm -r <directory>
[07:04] <Se7h> how can i reduce font size of the taskbars ?
[07:05] <axe9dotcom> AH!
[07:05] <axe9dotcom> wtf
[07:05] <axe9dotcom> mozilla crashd!
[07:07] <axe9dotcom> ah screw it..
[07:23] <Se7h> how can i reduce the taskbar font size?
[07:23] <Se7h> :|
[07:24] <Hmmmmm_> hi guys
[07:24] <Hmmmmm_> looks like my /home transfer pretty much worked
[07:24] <Hmmmmm_> thanks for all ur help
[07:49] <euler> Ok, I'm screwed...
[07:54] <Mais> wondering if any of you have worked through the nvidia kernel driver issue
[07:54] <Se7h> 44 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[07:54] <Se7h> Need to get 92.0MB of archives.
[07:54] <Se7h> wooo
[07:56] <euler> I can't boot into my windows partition.
[07:58] <deFrysk> euler, hitted the esc button when grub started ?
[07:59] <euler> yes, I think the boot record of the windows partition got messed up.  It just seems to freeze once I leave grub.
[08:01] <Se7h> euler
[08:01] <euler> Se7h: Yes?
[08:01] <Se7h> try to delete the "savedefault" line
[08:01] <Se7h> and then boot it
[08:01] <deFrysk> where is grub.conf in ubuntu ?
[08:02] <euler> I entered the command line and tried it without that line, and it seemed to have the same problem.
[08:02] <euler> I will edit the menu.lst file though, and remove that line.
[08:03] <Se7h> euler just boot into grub
[08:03] <Se7h> press "e"
[08:03] <Se7h> and "d" to delete it
[08:03] <Se7h> then.. "b"
[08:03] <Se7h> i had that prob but with ubuntu
[08:03] <Se7h> and it solved it
[08:04] <Se7h> the savedefault line is alternative
[08:04] <Se7h> no need to be there
[08:06] <euler> That doesn't seem to have helped.
[08:08] <Se7h> is th hd(x,x) well configured?
[08:08] <Se7h> i mean
[08:08] <Se7h> to the right partition
[08:09] <euler> I believe so.  root is set to (hd0,0).  My windows install is at /dev/hda1
[08:09] <Se7h> yeah
[08:10] <Se7h> if it's hda1 its correct
[08:10] <Se7h> press tab in case u want to see all available partitions
[08:10] <Se7h> well
[08:10] <Se7h> i gotta get to bed
[08:10] <deFrysk> Se7h, thanks for the save default tip
[08:10] <deFrysk> night
[08:10] <Se7h> ur welcome
[08:11] <Se7h> glad to be helpful
[08:11] <Se7h> its 7.11am here
[08:11] <deFrysk> ah , uk
[08:11] <Se7h> i got to get some sleep
[08:11] <deFrysk> 811 am here
[08:11] <deFrysk> just got up an hr ago
[08:11] <Se7h> pt
[08:11] <Se7h> :P
[08:11] <deFrysk> :D
[08:12] <Se7h> u early bird
[08:12] <deFrysk> portugal
[08:12] <Se7h> ;P
[08:12] <`-`> lol
[08:12] <deFrysk> :)
[08:12] <Se7h> yes, portugal here
[08:13] <`-`> southwest corner of canada ;)
[08:13] <Se7h> :D
[08:13] <deFrysk> also bedtime there
[08:13] <deFrysk> bedtime anywhere ,<exept holland>
[08:14] <Se7h> lolol
[08:14] <deFrysk> Se7h, have you been on #ubuntu all night ?
[08:15] <Se7h> yeah
[08:15] <deFrysk> geez , and now sleep on the beach i bet
[08:15] <Se7h> very quite 
[08:15] <Se7h> lol
[08:15] <Se7h> beatch ?
[08:16] <Se7h> *beach
[08:16] <deFrysk> beach seaside
[08:16] <deFrysk> not near the coast ?
[08:16] <Se7h> yeah i know
[08:16] <Se7h> pretty much
[08:16] <Se7h> im from lisbon
[08:16] <deFrysk> ic
[08:16] <Se7h> well...indeed its a little hot
[08:16] <Se7h> but i got school monday
[08:17] <deFrysk> we have rain storm and cold here
[08:17] <Se7h> lolol
[08:17] <Se7h> to bad
[08:18] <Se7h> well then
[08:18] <Se7h> take care now
[08:18] <deFrysk> k, night
[08:18] <Se7h> bye bye now 
[08:18] <Se7h> ;P
[08:18] <deFrysk> morning I mean ;p
[08:18] <Se7h> yeah ::p
[08:19] <Se7h> cya
[08:19] <deFrysk> realplayer10 works as plugin in firefox :)
[08:35] <Mais> can anyone help me out with a graphics issue- im running an AMD64 with a Nvidia 6800GT (AGP Obviously) Xserver won't initialize because it can't find a display device. I've been poking around online and I'm noticing that it is an issue. 
[08:36] <punkass> what driver are you using?
[08:36] <Mais> I've atempted installing the Nvidia drivers from the nvidia website but it fails due to a lack of a nvidia kernel
[08:36] <Mais> This is from a fresh install
[08:36] <punkass> well i know they are working on a nvidia-glx 64bit package
[08:37] <punkass> i believe fabbione is the guy to talk to about that
[08:37] <Mais> alright
[08:37] <Mais> -thanks
[08:38] <punkass> you can get the kernel source if you search for linux-source
[08:38] <fabbione> Mais: you nedd the linux-kernel-headers
[08:38] <fabbione> no need for the full source
[08:38] <punkass> ah ok
[08:38] <punkass> there ya go..from the man himself
[08:39] <Mais> haha
[08:39] <punkass> ;)
[08:39] <fabbione> :-)
[08:39] <Mais> didnt notice him in the UL
[08:40] <euler> I'm going to have to get my hands on a win2k boot disk to fix my partition boot record, aren't I.
[08:43] <deFrysk> euler, still no go ?
[08:48] <euler> Nope.  I'm not sure why either.
[08:56] <dalderman> morning all
[08:56] <euler> I mean, ubuntu shouldn't be touching the partitions boot record.
[08:56] <dalderman> anyone here got some kernel compiling knowledge?
[08:57] <euler> Some.
[08:57] <dalderman> I have recompiled my kernel and applied the alps patch from the xfree86-driver-synaptics package but it I seem to have a problem.
[08:58] <dalderman> Firstly my framebuffer display appears to be broken on boot as I get no text display.
[08:58] <dalderman> And secondly I am now getting errors with HAL on boot
[08:58] <dalderman> line 199 in hald.c drop_privelages(), no kernel support
[08:58] <Hmmmmm_> im looking to migrate from fc2 to ubuntu
[08:58] <euler> It's possible that the patch changed some things that affect both of those.
[08:59] <dalderman> why would it remove drop_privelages()?
[08:59] <Hmmmmm_> how to i backup my evolution 1.46 data and move it to evolution 2 in ubuntu?
[08:59] <dalderman> I shall check the patch further, but I guess a good way to check is simply to recompile the kernel from scrath without the patch myself huh
[09:00] <dalderman> just wondered if anyone else had seen either of these
[09:00] <euler> Since I don't use a synaptics touchpad, no, I haven't.
[09:00] <dalderman> Hmmmmm_, I think you just need to save your evolution dir from your home, when you start the new one it should upgrade
[09:00] <euler> Yah, I was about to suggest that.
[09:00] <dalderman> euler, no, but have you made a new kernel in Ubuntu at all?
[09:01] <Hmmmmm_> dalderman, but i just tried it and gives me some sorta error
[09:01] <euler> No, I haven't.  I just installed ubuntu tonight.
[09:01] <Hmmmmm_> has anyone managed doing it?
[09:01] <dalderman> euler, I was wondering if there was an issue with linux-source
[09:01] <euler> Did you get the linux-source package, or did you grab a kernel.org kernel?
[09:01] <dalderman> Hmmmmm_, sorry not sure, I don't know much about evo, but I know a man who does, but he isn't here at the oment
[09:01] <fabbione> dalderman: you need to compile the kernel the "ubuntu" way
[09:01] <Hmmmmm_> im just so sick okf fc2's sluggishness
[09:01] <fabbione> dalderman: it's not enough to apply a patch and compile
[09:02] <dalderman> euler, linux-source
[09:02] <dalderman> fabbione, what's different then?
[09:02] <dalderman> fabbione, I used make-kpkg
[09:02] <dalderman> fabbione, so I did it the "Debian" way
[09:03] <dalderman> fabbione, AKAIK
[09:03] <dalderman> s/AFAIK/AFAIK
[09:03] <dalderman> urgh
[09:03] <dalderman> I can't type today
[09:04] <dalderman> fabbione, are there some Ubunut specific instructions somewhere?
[09:04] <fabbione> dalderman: make-kpkg should be ok
[09:04] <euler> Ubunut?
[09:05] <euler> heh
[09:05] <dalderman> see, told you I can't trype today :-)
[09:05] <fabbione> dalderman: which kernel did you compile?
[09:06] <dalderman> fabbione, I used linux-source-2.6.8.1
[09:06] <fabbione> did you grab the default config before running make-kpkg?
[09:06] <dalderman> fabbione, from /boot, yes
[09:07] <fabbione> hmm strange
[09:07] <dalderman> fabbione, I did a make menuconfig and changed the arch to 586
[09:08] <dalderman> fabbione, Indeed, that's why I thought something could be borked, but as you say, the patch may be fiddling things but I wouldn't have thought it would break hald
[09:09] <dalderman> the patch is in /usr/share/doc/xfree86-driver-synaptics/alps.patch.gz
[09:09] <fabbione> dalderman: more than hald it disabled capabilities in the kernel
[09:09] <dalderman> fabbione, indeed, I shall create a clean source tree and just recompile a plain kernel to test
[09:10] <dalderman> fabbione, although I imagine someone else must have tried recompiling a kernel
[09:11] <fabbione> dalderman. try to talk with Herbert Xu
[09:11] <dalderman> k
[09:11] <fabbione> he is our kernel guy
[09:11] <dalderman> what's his nick?
[09:12] <fabbione> he doesn't irc
[09:12] <fabbione> mail him
[09:12] <dalderman> k
[09:12] <dalderman> thanks
[09:12] <fabbione> or mail ubuntu-users
[09:12] <dalderman> wilco
[09:12] <fabbione> (that's even better)
[09:12] <dalderman> I shall get more data first
[09:12] <dalderman> I shall also consult my mate Ross (soundjuicer man)
[09:12] <lypanov> umm la la la
[09:13] <dalderman> he's quite good at this stuff too
[09:13] <lypanov> does anyone have a clule how to recover data from ext2?
[09:13] <lypanov> i think i'll start asking the distros for someone to code this feature into one of the fs's
[09:13] <lypanov> cus linux majorly sucks :)
[09:13] <fabbione> lypanov: e2undel
[09:13] <clee> lypanov: :D
[09:14] <sivang> Kamion : around?
[09:14] <lypanov> clee: flatmate accidently deleted 12gbs of my music collection
[09:14] <clee> lypanov: DUDE
[09:14] <clee> weak.
[09:14] <dalderman> ouch
[09:14] <euler> lypanov: There are some aliases that can be set up to keep that kind of thing for hapening...
[09:15] <Hmmmmm_> lypanov, id hav killed him if i were u
[09:15] <Agrajag> or you could just not give anyone but yourself write access
[09:15] <euler> Of course, in your case, it could have caused a different issue.
[09:15] <clee> like 'alias rm="echo 'Oh, yeah, like I want to remove this.'"'
[09:15] <euler> Agrajag: There is that.
[09:16] <Agrajag> alias rm=logout
[09:16] <sivang> lypanov : linux majorly sucks?
[09:16] <euler> There was a book that came out some time ago that had a number of useful scripts.  One of these was something akin to the trashcan on the macs, and the recycle bin on windows.  Basically, rm's don't really delete files, but move them to another location to be cleared out later.
[09:18] <euler> Not that it does lypanov any good at this point...
[09:18] <nanotech> is there by anychance a "visual" programming language for linux? Like visual C++ for linux?
[09:18] <sivang> nanotech : have you ever heared of KDevelop ?
[09:18] <samurai> sivang: create a script to perform this function....
[09:18] <nanotech> is should say visual programming environment
[09:18] <dalderman> nanotech, eeeewwww, but there is glade and stkmm
[09:18] <dalderman> s/stkmm/gtkmm
[09:19] <euler> nanotech: There are a couple of commercial IDE's available.  I can't say that I have used any of them though.
[09:19] <sivang> yes, and glade 
[09:19] <dalderman> glade rocks
[09:19] <sivang> I have used KDevelop together with trolltech's visual GUI design tool - they usually rock.
[09:19] <dalderman> glade + gtkmm + emacs/gvim is all you need
[09:20] <sivang> you said it right, dalderman!
[09:20] <euler> Speaking of gvim, I notice it isn't available in ubuntu.  Any reason for that?
[09:20] <dalderman> sivang, we use them at work, I was working on a pluggable hardware emulator using them
[09:20] <dalderman> euler, vim-gtk
[09:20] <euler> dalderman: I did an apt-cache search for vim, and it didn't show up.
[09:21] <dalderman> euler, are you using universe?
[09:21] <euler> I have no idea.  I just installed ubuntu about 3 hours ago.
[09:21] <nanotech> i got vim...
[09:21] <euler> nanotech: I got vim, but not gvim.
[09:21] <dalderman> euler, then no, check your /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:21] <nanotech> :(
[09:21] <nanotech> true.
[09:22] <nanotech> you can config synaptic to snag from universe too
[09:22] <euler> dalderman: Is universe the equivalent of unstable?
[09:22] <dalderman> euler, in there are some lines commented out that have the universe stuff in, swap those lines round with the ones that are in use
[09:22] <lypanov> sivang: yup. it sucks :)
[09:22] <dalderman> euler, not sure, I think so
[09:22] <dalderman> euler, might be testing
[09:22] <lypanov> clee: yer. there are workaround to stop it
[09:23] <lypanov> clee: but nothing to fix it
[09:23] <dalderman> euler, I am still a bit of a Debian newbie myself
[09:23] <lypanov> clee: which is pretty lame
[09:23] <clee> yep.
[09:23] <clee> lame indeed.
[09:23] <lypanov> as i've now lost 12 gb's of data
[09:23] <nanotech> i read in the faq that universe and test was diffrent...let me double check
[09:23] <lypanov> so i'm just about ready to break my flatmates face :)
[09:23] <nanotech> that uni=unstable
[09:23] <dalderman> sivang, I met Murray C at Guadec last year, I bought him beer :-)
[09:23] <euler> I've been using Debian since 1998, and I still don't have those straight :)
[09:24] <samurai> isn't it a more heavily tested and certified version of unstable
[09:25] <nanotech> from the wiki faq: Then click OK. You have just added Christian Marillat's unstable repository to the file /etc/apt/sources.list. (Note: most folks on the IRC suggest using the unstable distribution. I actually used the testing distribution--for no good reason that I can remember--and it worked. In the above, that means I would have replaced unstable with testing.)"
[09:26] <nanotech> he explains that what he's walking one through is the universe config
[09:26] <nanotech> and compares it to unstable...so *I* think uni=unstable
[09:27] <punkass> sweet i have a somewhat functional gui wifi detector/connector going
[09:27] <nanotech> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions if anyone wants to double check
[09:27] <Zindar> universe = stuff from debian unstable that's not supported by warty... it's there but not supported...
[09:27] <nanotech> i agree
[09:27] <nanotech> w/ zindar
[09:34] <lypanov> me clears out 12gb's of free space and prays that e2undel does its job :)
[09:39] <euler> Is there a way in Gnome to specify alternate keyboard shortcuts?  I use Enlightenment, and I have a couple of keys bound to "switch to next/prev workspace".  I would like to do the same thing on gnome.
[09:40] <dalderman> euler, Compuer -> Desktop Preferences -> keyboard shortcuts
[09:40] <dalderman> damn my arthritic fingers!
[09:40] <dalderman> s/compuer/Computer
[09:49] <punkass> anyone wanna try out a wifi detector program?
[09:49] <tuo2> thaytan: there is an impersonator here :)
[09:54] <thaytan> tuo2: so I hear :)
[09:54] <tuo2> :)
[10:41] <scaroo> hi ppl ! is there a place where i can find the changelogs of ubuntu packages ? ie : what differs between packageubuntuN and packageubuntu(N+1) ?
[10:41] <FLeiXiuS> I wwould try the website
[10:42] <scaroo> i did, but couldn t find that
[10:42] <joebeastie> apt-get install apt-listchanges i think
[10:43] <joebeastie> then each time you upgrade a package it should tell you the changes
[10:44] <scaroo> joebeastie, ty gonna triy it asap
[10:45] <scaroo> s/triy/try/
[10:59] <Sirius_Black> hi guys - has anyone compiled mplayer in ubuntu yet?  any doc pages anywhere?
[11:04] <vrln> is there a "unstable/current/development" version of ubuntu once it's released? (something that's always moving and can be updated to). Or does one have to update only every 6 months as if it was a debian stable kind of release?
[11:06] <bagpuss> I would imagine that as soon as warty is released, you'll be able to use warty+1 and update to that (hoary is it?)
[11:08] <vrln> so it's not goint to have a constantly moving (public) tree like debian testing/unstable?
[11:08] <bagpuss> I don't know
[11:12] <thom> vrln: we may have a "crack of the day" system at some point in the future; once hoary is opened we'll have a relatively unfrozen tree for a while but it'll lock down fairly rapidly in terms of upstream
[11:15] <bagpuss> thom: is the release process: release $version; imeediately take a snsapshot of debian/unstable and freeze it alsmost instantly; spend 6 months making the snapshot releasable; wash, rinse, repeat?
[11:18] <thom> bagpuss: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/HoaryHedgehog_2fReleaseSchedule :-)
[11:18] <vrln> ok, thanks to both of you :)
[11:21] <Treenaks> warty final/gold is planned for my birthday :)
[11:24] <punkass> well finally have a working wifi scanner/connecter going :)
[11:28] <Nonphasis> aagh
[11:28] <Nonphasis> suddenly i can't log in
[11:29] <Nonphasis> gnome session terminates immediately
[11:30] <Treenaks> Nonphasis: it should give you a dialog window with a "Something's wrong!" message and an option to see the session error log
[11:30] <Nonphasis> yeah, I got that
[11:30] <Nonphasis> there's nothing alarming, apart from a warning about ICE-authority
[11:31] <Nonphasis> /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default: Registering your session with wtmp and utmp
[11:31] <Nonphasis> /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default: running: /usr/bin/X11/sessreg -a -w /var/log/wtmp -u /var/run/utmp -x "/var/lib/gdm/:0.Xservers" -h "" -l ":0" "ville"
[11:31] <Nonphasis> /etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup...
[11:31] <Nonphasis> ** (gnome-session:13156): WARNING **: Unable to read ICE authority file: /home/ville/.ICEauthority
[11:32] <Nonphasis> is that ICE authority important
[11:32] <Treenaks> Nonphasis: could you start a shell, and look at that file?
[11:32] <Nonphasis> ?
[11:32] <Treenaks> yes
[11:33] <Nonphasis> hmm, I seem to need to chown it
[11:33] <Treenaks> Nonphasis: just remove it..
[11:33] <Treenaks> Nonphasis: it should be re-created
[11:34] <Nonphasis> that worked
[11:34] <Treenaks> Nonphasis: ok :)
[11:35] <Nonphasis> apparently xcdroast ekperiments as root botched it
[11:35] <Treenaks> Nonphasis: use the Nautilus CD burner
[11:35] <Treenaks> that Works
[11:35] <Nonphasis> can it create audio cds?
[11:35] <Treenaks> uh
[11:35] <Treenaks> uuhh
[11:36] <Nonphasis> i guess not, that's why i tried to use k3b and xcdroast
[11:36] <Treenaks> According to the .po file (messages) it can
[11:36] <Nonphasis> neither worked, btw
[11:36] <Nonphasis> hmm
[11:36] <Nonphasis> i couldn't see the switch for the functionality
[11:39] <netdur> how to install deb package? I tried "dpkg -i" seems not working
[11:40] <Nonphasis> why?
[11:40] <azeem> you need to run dpkg with sudo
[11:40] <Nonphasis> i mean the err msg
[11:40] <azeem> netdur: but anyway, running dpkg -i should not be needed. Why do you not use synaptic or aptitude?
[11:40] <netdur> well, I did "sudo -s"
[11:41] <netdur> I have adsl usb modem which doesn't work on linux
[11:41] <netdur> do I boot into windows to download packages and install it offline
[11:43] <bitserf> netdur: you have just the one machine?>
[11:43] <netdur> "sudo -s" and "dpkg -i" there no error message... act like it installed... but there nothing in "/usr/share" and "/etc"
[11:43] <netdur> I have laptop and desktop
[11:43] <Nonphasis> package problem then?
[11:43] <azeem> netdur: if you enter a rootshell with sudo, /sbin is not in the $PATH, and dpkg fails because it does find stuff and barfs
[11:43] <azeem> oh
[11:43] <bitserf> netdur: i'd stick the modem on a windows box and turn on internet connection sharing if you have a switch
[11:45] <azeem> netdur: dpkg --contents *.deb tells you which files are in a package
[11:45] <azeem> netdur: dpkg -l <package> tells you whether it's installed and its version
[11:45] <netdur> ok, i'm going to try it
[11:46] <bitserf> netdur: dpkg -D10 -i package.deb still gives you no output?
[11:47] <netdur> well, I havr to reboot into ubuntu to try... I will connect from laptop... brb
[12:14] <netdur> sorry guys that package is installed... "dpkg -L" told me it's place...
[12:18] <netdur> why it show everything (folders and files) as icon (gnome foot) in fat partitions ?
[12:18] <werewolf> Hi all, how to reactivated the standard menu in gnome 2.8?
[12:31] <piotr_> helo
[12:34] <netdur> in FAQ they said... they don't know how to answer "hello"
[12:35] <Treenaks> netdur: what do you mean?
[12:36] <Treenaks> netdur: you browse to a FAT disk, and all files have a "Gnome foot" icon?
[12:36] <netdur> yes
[12:36] <netdur> everything
[12:36] <Treenaks> that's strange -- on my FAT disks (memory card from my camera) it shows previews etc.
[12:36] <Treenaks> did you change your icon theme?
[12:37] <netdur> no
[12:37] <netdur> other linux partitions work fine
[12:40] <Treenaks> netdur: what is the "MIME-type" (you can see it by right-clicking and selecting 'Properties')
[12:41] <Hmmm> hi
[12:41] <netdur> right click deleted my files
[12:42] <netdur> 20 giga of data
[12:42] <Treenaks> netdur: right click does not delete files
[12:42] <netdur> no, it's not... right click do hide files
[12:43] <Treenaks> netdur: you might want to unmount and re-mount...
[12:46] <netdur> mount -t vfat /dev/hda11 ~/.mnt/hda11
[12:46] <netdur> the same problem
[12:48] <netdur> I think it would be easier if someone made script that detect partitions and moount every boot
[12:49] <Hmmm> how do i migrate from evolution 1.46 (fc2) to evolution 2 (ubuntu)?
[12:50] <Treenaks> Hmmm: just start evolution 2..
[12:50] <Treenaks> Hmmm: it'll start migrating
[12:53] <deFrysk> how can i make the nvidia module load at boot ?
[12:53] <Treenaks> deFrysk: just install it, and have an nvidia card, I think?
[12:54] <Treenaks> deFrysk: or do you mean the X driver?
[12:54] <deFrysk> yes , but does not load
[12:54] <joem> deFrysk, add it to /etc/modules
[12:54] <deFrysk> xdriver yup
[12:54] <Hmmm> Treenaks, actually evolution is making a mess of it
[12:54] <deFrysk> k thnks :)
[12:54] <deFrysk> too easy hehe
[12:54] <Hmmm> i just dumped the evolution folder as it is
[12:54] <Hmmm> and now when i start ev2 in ubuntu
[12:54] <Hmmm> i get this:
[12:55] <Hmmm> delete or remind me later
[12:57] <Treenaks> Hmmm: I don't know then..
[12:57] <Treenaks> Hmmm: do you still have the FC install?
[12:57] <Treenaks> Hmmm: you could export everything from 1.4, then import that file in 2.0
[12:58] <Hmmm> ya i do
[12:58] <Hmmm> how do i do the exporting?
[12:58] <Treenaks> Hmmm: I don't know...
[12:58] <Hmmm> i cant see anything like that in ev 1.46
[12:59] <Treenaks> Hmmm: maybe you need more than just the Evolution directory
[01:00] <Hmmm> Treenaks, ya perhaps
[01:00] <Hmmm> anyone here successfully managed it?
[01:00] <Treenaks> Hmmm: I auto-upgraded when 2.0 was still 1.5.x
[01:00] <Hmmm> ic
[01:05] <deFrysk> nvidia running :)
[01:07] <Nonphasis> what is module-assistant
[01:07] <asdfadfg> nice work on ubuntu guys
[01:08] <deFrysk> thats a module installer aid
[01:08] <deFrysk> a debian tool
[01:09] <Nonphasis> what's the executable, cant see it on my system
[01:23] <nanotech> q: my volume control shows two mixers...how do i disable one of them?
[01:31] <Marble> anybody knows a repository with mplayer compiled for ubuntu?
[01:32] <jblack> did you try apt-get source mplayer? 
[01:33] <Marble> jblack ammm
[01:33] <jblack> marble: pardon? 
[01:34] <Marble> but
[01:34] <Marble> searching in synaptic for mplayer
[01:34] <Marble> there is no packet
[01:34] <jblack> Give me a moment
[01:35] <jblack> Hmm. 
[01:35] <jblack> Looks like its not in ubuntu yet? Here's what I did
[01:35] <jblack> I donwloaded the mplayer debs from ftp.us.debian.org, and ran dpkg -i on them.
[01:35] <Marble> and they work for ubuntu too?
[01:36] <jblack> They do for me. ;) \
[01:36] <Marble> oks, i'm going to try it
[01:37] <Marble> mmmm
[01:38] <Marble> woody, sarge or sid?
[01:38] <jblack> I used sid, myself
[01:42] <Marble> i cannot find any .deb in this ftp
[01:42] <Marble> :-(
[01:47] <Mirno> Essayez iRate ! c'est de la balle !!
[01:47] <Mirno> woops sorry for the french
[02:02] <Yauolz> Look at that Girl with 3 Pupss http://www.enchant.ru/go.php?login=Begimot  :DDD this is not a virus :DDDD
[02:02] <daniels> (sigh)
[02:04] <tseng> hah
[02:39] <nk___> hi there. I need a small app. a kind of organizer. like... I can write a to-do list that is displayed on the desktop or s.th. similar. any suggestions?
[02:39] <lypanov> lalala
[02:39] <lypanov> how to get gcc working? :)
[02:39] <lypanov> its freaking tiny :)
[02:39] <lypanov> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[02:39] <lypanov> See `config.log' for more details.
[02:40] <lypanov>  /usr/bin/ld: cannot open crt1.o: No such file or directory
[02:40] <lypanov> task-c-devel doesn't wanna work :(
[02:41] <daniels> got libc6-dev installed?
[02:41] <lypanov> ah :
[02:41] <lypanov> :)
[02:41] <lypanov> thx daniels :)
[02:41] <lypanov> daniels: aptitude rocks btw :)
[02:42] <azeem> aptitude has serious usability issues, IMHO
[02:43] <lypanov> apt-get is even worse tho :)
[02:43] <azeem> sure
[02:43] <azeem> synaptic is promising, but needs HIG love and more GNOME integration
[02:45] <housetier> but then I am very used to aptitude, I have trouble using synaptic
[02:48] <daniels> lypanov: rad
[02:51] <lypanov> okay this is seriously an absolute ass
[02:52] <psyklops> wasn't it like "build-essential" or something?
[02:52] <psyklops> apt-get install build-essential
[02:53] <lypanov> got all of it already then i guess
[02:53] <lypanov> that just installs dpkg-dev
[02:53] <psyklops> :-/
[02:53] <lypanov> thx tho :)
[02:54] <lypanov> oh
[02:54] <lypanov> lameness
[02:54] <azeem> lypanov: build-essential is only build-essential. Packages also have other Build-Dependencies
[02:54] <azeem> lypanov: apt-get build-dep <package>
[02:54] <carlo> hi
[02:55] <carlo> hello!
[02:56] <housetier> moin carlo 
[02:56] <carlo> ????
[02:56] <lypanov> wow
[02:57] <carlo> what?
[02:57] <lypanov> daniels: i'm impressed. you guys actually really do have a clue :)
[02:57] <superted> jblack: ?
[02:57] <carlo> what clue?
[02:57] <lypanov> debian/ubuntu improved a shit load since i last tried it :)
[02:58] <carlo> explain
[02:58] <jblack> superted? 
[02:58] <lypanov> yoyo jblack :)
[02:58] <azeem> lypanov: Build-Depends are around since the 90s
[02:58] <lypanov> azeem: not talking about that :)
[02:58] <azeem> okie, just checking :)
[02:58] <lypanov> yay. compiling :>
[02:58] <lypanov> talking about the bison-1.35 package :)
[02:59] <superted> jblack: i can't find any mplayer debs on ftp.us.debian.org
[02:59] <azeem> superted: there are none
[02:59] <azeem> superted: google for 
[02:59] <azeem> 'Marillat mplayer' or so
[02:59] <superted> < jblack> I donwloaded the mplayer debs from ftp.us.debian.org, and ran dpkg -i on them.
[02:59] <carlo> how can I play wmv file?
[02:59] <superted> ok
[02:59] <carlo> how can I play wmv file?
[02:59] <jblack> superted:I'll find them for you in a few minutes I'm in a conversation atm)
[02:59] <lypanov> carlo: mplayer :)
[02:59] <superted> thanks :)
[03:00] <carlo> give me a source for mplayer
[03:00] <carlo> please
[03:00] <lypanov> universe doesnt' include?
[03:00] <carlo> no it doesn't
[03:00] <tseng>  deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[03:00] <carlo> thanks!
[03:02] <carlo> hey guis what do you about ubuntu?
[03:02] <tseng> what about it.
[03:02] <tseng> youre missing a verb.
[03:03] <carlo> what do you think...excuse me
[03:04] <lypanov> it rocks :)
[03:05] <carlo> ok...there is any program like k3b for gnome?
[03:05] <lypanov> someone said universe had k3b
[03:05] <carlo> i need to burn some dvd...
[03:05] <deFrysk> carlo, like as bloated , no
[03:05] <lypanov> k3b works at least :)
[03:06] <lypanov> anything that compares yet?
[03:06] <deFrysk> right klick an iso and burn
[03:06] <carlo> i know..but it came from kde...
[03:06] <lypanov> and if anyone says xcdroast i'll kill 'em :)
[03:06] <deFrysk> xcdroast
[03:06] <JanneM> cdrecord? :)
[03:06] <jblack> ok. where was I...
[03:06] <deFrysk> fare ye well all
[03:06] <jblack> mplayer debs. you still need that? 
[03:06] <lypanov> JanneM: thats what i use in fact :)
[03:06] <JanneM> me too, actually
[03:06] <lypanov> and cdrdao :)
[03:07] <lypanov> both wonderful :)
[03:07] <lypanov> i guess ubuntu has full ide cdrdao?
[03:07] <carlo> another question...
[03:07] <superted> jblack: i found marillat's reps
[03:08] <jblack> Okedoke
[03:08] <carlo> how can I EASILY set up a firewall?There are any visual tool for gnome 2.8?
[03:08] <jblack> gnome-lokkit doesn't do it for you? 
[03:09] <JanneM> firestarter is ok if you need more configurability
[03:09] <carlo> i need an easy tool...just like something you can find on mondrake10...
[03:11] <carlo> i'm going to install lokkit
[03:15] <superted> when i click on a .mpg in epiphany and open it with totem it just plays the sound
[03:17] <deFrysk> superted, i had that in fedora, a second atempt did the job there
[03:17] <superted> hm
[03:19] <superted> nope :\
[03:19] <deFrysk> too bad 
[03:25] <superted> how can i choose/change the default video player ?
[03:26] <ubuntu> Hi all. My 1st 10 mins. with ubuntu
[03:28] <cardador> hello. anyone know how to solve "unable to install initrd-tools" problem?
[03:29] <psyklops> Hi
[03:30] <psyklops> ubuntu: How do you like it?
[03:30] <ubuntu> Certainly different than RH 9.0!
[03:31] <ubuntu> What is the diff between apt-get update and apt-get upgrade?
[03:32] <Marble> anybody knows how to get guifications (gaim plugin) for ubuntu?
[03:32] <JD> ubuntu: update downloads all the metadata, upgrade downloads the actual updated packages
[03:32] <JD> Marble: there is a deb on the guifications website. it should work
[03:32] <HcE> ubuntu: apt-get --help gives you all information
[03:33] <ubuntu> JD Tnx. I was a bit worried as I saw several filenames with debian in them & saw somewhere that they were not compatible.
[03:33] <JD> ubuntu: you probably want to use something like synaptic or aptitude
[03:33] <Marble> JD: it does not :-(
[03:33] <JD> Marble: what breaks?
[03:33] <Marble> JD: it does not appear in plugin list
[03:34] <Marble> I supose it is becaus is built for gaim 0.82
[03:34] <Marble> gaim-guifications_2.1-1.82_i386.deb
[03:34] <Marble> and not for 1.0
[03:34] <JD> quite possibly
[03:35] <Marble> i have found that there are too missing software in the repository
[03:35] <Marble> jedit, sancho, mono, mplayer, guifications....
[03:36] <Marble> all those things are in Gentoo portage
[03:36] <Marble> and with Ubuntu I have to be adding third-part repositories or just forgetting to install
[03:37] <Marble> :-(
[03:37] <vrln> mplayer & plugins can't be official packages because of legal issues, it's not exactly ok to distribute windows/quicktime codecs
[03:37] <vrln> and there might be some dll:s too I quess
[03:37] <Marble> vrln: yes, I can understand that... but what about the other software?
[03:38] <vrln> no idea about the others, but the mplayer+codecs thing is in almost every distro
[03:38] <JD> Marble: no-one has bothered to package them in debian
[03:39] <Marble> a pitty
[03:39] <JD> mono is in debian
[03:39] <JD> mono - The Mono .NET development environment
[03:40] <Marble> for ubuntu I have had to add a external respository
[03:44] <Zomb> does ubuntu include the 1.0.x mono packages?
[03:53] <beezly> Zomb: I don't believe it does yet.
[05:57] <p0int> Mithrandir: wha...? i didn't know limi uses debian\ubuntu...
[05:58] <bob2> who says he has to? ;-)
[05:58] <defendguin> i need to find the debs for the ubunut kernel headers so i can transfer them to a computer without network access
[06:00] <daniels> bob2: could be either
[06:00] <defendguin> nevermind i found them
[06:02] <Mithrandir> p0int: no idea if he uses it, but he's been doing plone work for us.
[06:03] <Capri> bob2 Mithrandir: thanks. I've sent an mail to the lists.
[06:05] <Slackeerb> Can someone help me I download a .rar file but i cant unrar it with file roller.
[06:05] <linux_mafia> krischan, http://osuosl.org/
[06:06] <deFrysk> apt-get install unrar ?
[06:06] <superted> Slackeerb: just type unrar x file in a term
[06:06] <Nonphasis> debian unrar sucks
[06:06] <deFrysk> Nonphasis, not on my box
[06:06] <Nonphasis> just download the unrar source and compile
[06:06] <superted> Nonphasis: is there so much to it ? :)
[06:07] <Nonphasis> so much?
[06:07] <Slackeerb> superted: why cant I use file roller 2 do it. =(. And there are mutipule files.
[06:07] <bob2> because only warez gets distributed in rar files.
[06:07] <deFrysk> Slackeerb, fileroller will do it after installing unrar
[06:07] <Nonphasis> Slackeerb, you can use file roller after compiling the unrar source
[06:07] <bob2> file a wishlist bug on fileroller
[06:07] <superted> Nonphasis: what sucks about it?
[06:07] <Capri> Slackeerb: I think file roller uses the command line tools.
[06:07] <bob2> Nonphasis: unrar-nonfree handles all obscure variants, afaik
[06:08] <Nonphasis> superted, it has diffrent switches, and can't open all files
[06:08] <Slackeerb> Nonphasis: how do I compile unrar from source?
[06:08] <deFrysk>  ./configure
[06:08] <deFrysk> make make install
[06:08] <Nonphasis> Slackeerb, go d/l the source and run make -f Makefile.unix
[06:08] <superted> Nonphasis: oh
[06:09] <bob2> is there any actual reason to build it from source instead of using the Debian package?
[06:09] <Slackeerb> Nonphasis: where do I download it from? =)
[06:09] <deFrysk> bob2, not that I know of
[06:09] <bob2> ok.
[06:09] <Nonphasis> the debian package doesn't work with file roller
[06:09] <Slackeerb> bob2: how do i get the deb package?
[06:10] <Nonphasis> Slackeerb, wait
[06:10] <Slackeerb> ok =)
[06:10] <Nonphasis> Slackeerb, http://www.rarlab.com/rar_add.htm
[06:10] <Nonphasis> Slackeerb, it's the "unrar source"
[06:11] <housetier> I wonder why file-roller handles .rar very well
[06:11] <housetier> I didnt install (un)rar from source
[06:11] <Slackeerb> nonphasis: its downloaded should i extract it?
[06:11] <Nonphasis> didn't work for me
[06:11] <Nonphasis> Slackeerb, yes
[06:12] <Slackeerb> k its extracted to my desktop
[06:12] <Nonphasis> most importantly, debian unrar croaks on some archives
[06:12] <Slackeerb> nonphasis: now what?
[06:13] <Nonphasis> Slackeerb, look for Makefile.unix or a file nawe like that
[06:13] <Slackeerb> brb
[06:14] <Treenaks> you want the debian package, not the source
[06:14] <Nonphasis> Ubuntu should really support rar, ace and the workos out of the box
[06:14] <tseng> Nonphasis: why...?
[06:14] <tseng> there are alot of linux users downloading trojaned, virus infected windows software?
[06:14] <Nonphasis> tseng, I'll venture to guess that occasionally people want to open such files
[06:15] <Treenaks> tseng: I know lots of people who pack movies in .rar... and because they don't know anything but rar, they also send .docs etc
[06:15] <Nonphasis> tseng, not just software... music, viedo
[06:15] <Slackeerb> Nonphasis: ok sorry back pizza was burning. lol
[06:15] <Slackeerb> Nonphasis: i agree
[06:15] <Slackeerb> nonphasis: i found the file
[06:16] <Nonphasis> Slackeerb, ok, now, in console, type make -f Makefile.unix
[06:16] <Slackeerb> k
[06:16] <Treenaks> Nonphasis: or just get the .deb from ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/r/rar
[06:16] <Slackeerb> make: *** No rule to make target `Makefile.unix'.  Stop.
[06:17] <Nonphasis> Slackeerb, substitute thta file name for the file you found
[06:17] <Treenaks> that works better (i.e. tested, you can uninstall it easier, it upgrades magically if ubuntu decides to support it..)
[06:17] <Nonphasis> Treenaks, the unrar in debian couldn't open all files for me
[06:17] <Slackeerb> Nonphasis: should i just use the deb lol
[06:17] <Treenaks> Nonphasis: this is rar... the Official Rar
[06:18] <Nonphasis> hmm
[06:18] <deFrysk> the unrar.deb does not work indeed :(
[06:18] <Slackeerb> Treenaks: i got the .deb how do i install it?
[06:19] <Nonphasis> any reason why rar is not in universe?
[06:19] <Treenaks> Slackeerb: sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[06:19] <deFrysk> because it does not work ?
[06:19] <Treenaks> Nonphasis: because it's in debian non-free
[06:19] <Treenaks> deFrysk: uh.. it works fine
[06:19] <Treenaks> deFrysk: for me at least
[06:19] <deFrysk> Treenaks, not on mine
[06:19] <defendguin> anyone here know anything about wireless?
[06:20] <deFrysk> or it must be that the file is on a fat32 partition
[06:20] <defendguin> how to set one up anyway
[06:20] <Treenaks> deFrysk: you must've used the free re-implementation of unrar..
[06:20] <deFrysk> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/unrar i got :|
[06:20] <Slackeerb> Treenaks: its installed. =). now lets see if it works
[06:20] <Treenaks> deFrysk: just plug it in and configure your network from Computer -> System Configuration -> Network
[06:20] <Slackeerb> Treenaks! u fule
[06:20] <Slackeerb> rule&
[06:20] <Slackeerb> ol
[06:20] <Slackeerb> lol
[06:20] <Slackeerb> woops
[06:20] <Slackeerb> it works
[06:21] <Treenaks> Slackeerb: good luck :)
[06:21] <bob2> Slackeerb: it's called "unrar-nonfree"
[06:21] <Slackeerb> Ubuntu should support this
[06:21] <Treenaks> bob2: there's rar (which is the non-free rar), unrar-nonfree (which is the non-free unrar-only version) and unrar (which is a free re-implementation of rar)
[06:21] <Treenaks> bob2: afaik
[06:21] <Treenaks> Slackeerb: report an "Enhancement" bug...
[06:21] <Slackeerb> well guys thx im off 2 eat
[06:21] <bob2> right
[06:22] <Slackeerb> btw does anyone know how 2 burn a .dmg cd image?
[06:22] <Treenaks> un
[06:22] <defendguin> my little link monitor says 100% but i cant seem to browse the web
[06:22] <Treenaks> bob2: unrar is of course the free re-implementation of unrar-nonfree
[06:22] <Treenaks> defendguin: did you set up your WEP key?
[06:22] <defendguin> and i dont seem to have an ip address
[06:22] <Treenaks> defendguin: does your AP do DHCP?
[06:23] <defendguin> Treenaks, i think i have WEP disables for the time being till i get it workign this way
[06:23] <defendguin> Treenaks, yes it does DHCP for all my wire connections.  might it be doing somehthing different for wireless
[06:23] <Treenaks> defendguin: did it work before?
[06:24] <defendguin> this is my first time setting up wireless
[06:24] <Treenaks> defendguin: you should break down problems into smaller ones, until you've found the cause
[06:24] <defendguin> hmmm
[06:24] <Treenaks> defendguin: so wireless does not work, but you have link -> check if the accesspoint does DHCP
[06:24] <defendguin> Treenaks, i would do this and use this methoid much for solving problems but i am not fimiliar with my situation
[06:24] <Treenaks> defendguin: also, check if you _asked_ for an IP (read the logs)
[06:25] <deFrysk> the non-free version works yes 
[06:25] <defendguin> Treenaks, check the router logs?
[06:25] <Treenaks> defendguin: no, your PC
[06:26] <Treenaks> defendguin: read files in /var/log to see if your DHCP client asked for an IP
[06:27] <defendguin> daemon.log? or should there be a dhcp.log?
[06:27] <Treenaks> defendguin: try daemon.log.. and messages.. and syslog
[06:27] <Treenaks> defendguin: grep for dhclient
[06:27] <Treenaks> defendguin: stuff like that
[06:28] <defendguin> it does say no DHCPOFFERS recieved
[06:29] <vdaron> I've found a repository with mono, and I d'like to try it (http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/) How can Add this repository in my package system (sorry, debian beginner question ...)
[06:29] <thomas__> can I trust ubuntu to leave my fedora install on hda2 as it is and just install on hda3 ?
[06:30] <defendguin> Treenaks, i checked my rother and it has DHCP enabled
[06:31] <linux_mafia> defendguin, what card
[06:32] <linux_mafia> defendguin, do you have? heh
[06:32] <defendguin> its a linksys i have to use the ndiswrapper 
[06:32] <linux_mafia> ok
[06:32] <defendguin> its uses the rtk8180 driver
[06:33] <defendguin> its the card that came with my router so im sure they work together
[06:34] <defendguin> i tried to use the network tool that comes with ubuntu. that didnt seem to work
[06:34] <tseng> vdaron: sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:35] <tseng> vdaron: add deb-src http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./ and save and quit
[06:35] <tseng> (Ctrl+O Ctrl+X)
[06:37] <defendguin> whenever i try to activate it just deactivates 2 seconds later
[06:39] <vdaron> tseng : sources.list modified ok, But the after the update (using the interface) the mono packages are'nt yet listed ... any idea ?
[06:39] <tseng> vdaron: apt-get update?
[06:40] <defendguin> when i do iwconfig it says for l0 and sit0 no wireless extensions
[06:40] <tseng> defendguin: you have the driver loaded properly?
[06:40] <defendguin> tseng, i think i do 
[06:41] <tseng> see dmesg
[06:41] <tseng> after loading the driver for some debugging info
[06:42] <defendguin> yeah the ndiswrapper is there and it loosk like it loaded the driver properly
[06:43] <tseng> does it show up on ifconfig -a
[06:43] <defendguin> but also says wlan0: no IPv6 outers present
[06:44] <defendguin> wlan0 shows up when i do ifconfig -a
[06:44] <defendguin> also l0 and sit0
[06:44] <tseng> try dhclient wlan0
[06:44] <linux_mafia> defendguin, what does: sudo dhclient wlan0 give you
[06:44] <tseng> to get an address
[06:45] <linux_mafia> heh
[06:45] <linux_mafia> great minds think alike
[06:45] <tseng> i guess
[06:45] <vdaron> tseng: repository added, but packages seems uninstalable , what does it mean ??
[06:45] <tseng> vdaron: youll have to be a bit more specific
[06:45] <tseng> it sounds like you a) didnt add it properly
[06:45] <tseng> or b) didnt update
[06:46] <tseng> and are still looking at the broken mono pkgs in universe
[06:46] <defendguin> it runs DHCP Discover on different intervals
[06:46] <defendguin> port 67
[06:46] <vdaron> Ok  fine ! I've got it !
[06:47] <vdaron> Thanks a lot :
[06:47] <tseng> vdaron: cool
[06:47] <defendguin> 255.255.255.255
[06:47] <vdaron> !
[06:47] <defendguin> no DHCP offers recieved
[06:47] <tseng> defendguin: this isnt a minipci card is it?
[06:47] <defendguin> no its a normal card
[06:47] <tseng> ok
[06:48] <tseng> wait do you have the router broadcasting ssid
[06:48] <tseng> or turned off
[06:48] <tseng> iwlist wlan0 scan shoudl show your ap
[06:48] <tseng> if not you have a problem.
[06:49] <defendguin> SSID Broadcast is enabled
[06:49] <defendguin> i ran that scane before and it shows up
[06:49] <defendguin> scan*
[06:49] <tseng> are you using wep
[06:49] <defendguin> nope
[06:51] <defendguin> when i ran the dhclient it showed the Subnet Mask was 255.255.255.255 on my router it says its subnet mask is 255.255.255.0
[06:51] <defendguin> is this right?
[06:51] <tseng> no
[06:51] <tseng> 255.255.255.255 is broadcast, not a mask
[06:52] <tseng> it sends the request out to all hosts on that segment
[06:52] <defendguin> k
[06:54] <defendguin> well im stumped
[06:54] <tseng> ndiswrapper didnt work for me on my old laptop
[06:55] <tseng> last thing i can think of
[06:55] <tseng> is manually setting up networking
[06:55] <tseng> set an ip, and default route, try pinging the router
[06:55] <defendguin> ok
[06:56] <tseng> ip has to be in the right subnet
[06:56] <defendguin> everything is on 192.168.1.
[06:58] <defendguin> i tried setting it up manually with the gui
[06:58] <defendguin> didnt work
[07:02] <defendguin> hmm netowrk un reachabel
[07:02] <defendguin> destination not network
[07:04] <infoDonkey> i'm trying to set up a dual-boot winXP/ubuntu system. got everything installed but i'd like to mount the win ntfs partition read/write in the linux filesystem, and the linux ext2 partition read/write in windows. how is that done, and does it present security risks?
[07:05] <p0int> omg, ubuntu rocks..
[07:05] <topyli> infoDonkey: it is not done :)
[07:05] <infoDonkey> topyli: what do you mean?
[07:06] <topyli> ntfs write support is very dangerous, and windows doesn't read ext2/3
[07:06] <subterrific> infoDonkey: make a FAT partition to share files
[07:06] <topyli> except with a little utility called explore2fs iirc
[07:06] <linux_mafia> topyli, correct
[07:06] <infoDonkey> topyli: what is dangerous about ntfs write support?
[07:07] <topyli> it might break ntfs :)
[07:07] <subterrific> yeah, microsoft doesn't like people writing file system drivers for windows
[07:07] <infoDonkey> subterrific: what is a FAT partition?
[07:07] <defendguin> i guess i need to buy a wireless card thats supported
[07:07] <infoDonkey> basically i'm looking to leave the system in linux except when i need windows stuff..in which case i
[07:07] <infoDonkey> would like to access my home directory from windows
[07:07] <defendguin> not sure if that would help since ndiswrapper seems to be working
[07:07] <p0int> hm.. what are good mount options to use for /boot and / ?
[07:07] <topyli> infoDonkey: fat32, the old windows filesystem that win 9x used
[07:08] <subterrific> infoDonkey: what do you need windows for?
[07:08] <infoDonkey> periodic testing of things that are either windows apps or require IE. i do software design and evaluation and sometimes it has to happen in windows, much to my dismay
[07:08] <topyli> infoDonkey: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm
[07:09] <infoDonkey> what are drawbacks to fat32 as my main fs?
[07:10] <infoDonkey> topyli: ideally i'd rather not have to deal with specific client software (instead of the OS-level filesystem manipulation)
[07:11] <infoDonkey> what i'm really hoping to do is essentially use the same home directory in both places via symlinks/shortcuts
[07:11] <topyli> i'd just make a small fat32 partition, which both linux and windows can read-write
[07:12] <topyli> two machines would be better, one for each system. then you could actually have the same home dir in both :)
[07:12] <Scognito> hi
[07:13] <infoDonkey> topyli: true. but then if i need to disconnect from the network or something there go my files
[07:13] <infoDonkey> plus i'd have to figure out how to configure win to do that :-p
[07:13] <topyli> what? disconnect? we don't do that do we? =)
[07:13] <infoDonkey> hmmm
[07:14] <topyli> well, the LAN is supposed to be up at least, so you can share the home dir and printer.
[07:14] <infoDonkey> i frankly wouldn't trust a windows box's network connection :-p
[07:14] <topyli> hey, i have a win98 box that works well. of course, i don't keep any data on it :)
[07:15] <infoDonkey> topyli: nah, windows is fine. it just gets crankier than other OSes in my experience
[07:15] <lypanov> infoDonkey: i use windows xp with a colinux installation inside it :)
[07:16] <topyli> yep. windows runs ok as long as you don't install any applications or keep any data on it. mine has only office and acrobat IIRC :)
[07:16] <infoDonkey> lypanov: given that the rest of my machines are mac os x what i'm hoping to do is avoid having a windows box on the network as often as possible, since they reduce the security of the LAN overall
[07:17] <infoDonkey> topyli: the other reason for keeping all the files on a single box is that i've run out fo space on my other hard drives and this machine (since i only use it for testing) has tons of space that i can share out to other machines on the network
[07:18] <topyli> yes, just take space where you can find it, it doesn't matter on a lan really
[07:19] <infoDonkey> topyli: exactly. hence my original question: i'd like access to those files regardless of the OS they're running on, and it seems like the most convenient way to do that is to have a partition that both linux and win can access
[07:19] <infoDonkey> with most of my files on that partition
[07:20] <topyli> yes. then link /home/donkey/data to it
[07:20] <infoDonkey> topyli
[07:21] <infoDonkey> right...but it has to be fat32?
[07:21] <topyli> yes, ntfs is read-only so you'll end up having duplicates on your linux partitions then. fat32 support is reliable
[07:22] <infoDonkey> topyli: cool. any reason not to install both winXP and linux on fat32 partitions to simplify things?
[07:23] <theantix> infoDonkey, most distro installers won't let you mount / on a fat32 drive.. not sure about ubuntu but I suspect the same
[07:23] <topyli> no, put the systems on native, recommended systems because they're bound to be faster. also, i don't think fat32 supports any sort of permission stuff
[07:24] <topyli> mandrake didn't even let me assign /home to fat32. you'll have to link.
[07:25] <infoDonkey> topyli: is that a security risk? are there other reasons why, even if i'm allowed to, installing one os or the other directly onto the fat32 partition would be a bad idea?
[07:25] <subterrific> infoDonkey: you're aware that there are several ways of running windows inside linux right?
[07:25] <topyli> i'm not sure but i think you can install xp on fat32
[07:25] <subterrific> would one of those options work better?
[07:26] <subterrific> that way you can have several different versions of windows around
[07:27] <infoDonkey> subterrific: i know very little about running win inside linux...my concerns would be (a) performance and (b) the possibility that because it's installed in that way it might not be a realistic win test environment
[07:27] <plovs> is there a metapackage for detools gcc,make etc?
[07:27] <subterrific> infoDonkey: its very realistic for a test env, and as long as you aren't running 3d games, the performance should be fine
[07:28] <infoDonkey> subterrific: it's a thought...i imagine it might isolate some of the win security issues too?
[07:28] <subterrific> infoDonkey: vmware is commercial software that allows you to run windows inside linux. it is used by many people for test environments. past 3 companies i've worked for have used vmware to test win32 software under several revisions of windows
[07:29] <infoDonkey> but it also sounds like i could make the largest partition fat32, install win and my files there, and then mount it in linux. though if permissions aren't supported isn't that a security problem in both environments?
[07:30] <infoDonkey> subterrific: a bit strapped for cash at this point, so i'm trying to avoid purchasing more commercial stuff
[07:30] <subterrific> infoDonkey: security is relative. if you keep the machine off the internet or behind a firewall/NAT it should be fine
[07:30] <theantix> infoDonkey, you can set the umask to minimize the security problems
[07:32] <infoDonkey> theantix: but will that help when i'm running in win?
[07:32] <theantix> infoDonkey, it won't affect you running in windows, I just mean you can set the mount parameters to make it read/write only for your user only with no execute
[07:33] <infoDonkey> ahh
[07:33] <infoDonkey> ok
[07:33] <topyli> nothing will save your security while running windows :)
[07:33] <theantix> topyli, exactly =)
[07:34] <infoDonkey> topyli: hence my desire to keep the machine in linux except when necessary
[07:34] <infoDonkey> theantix: and if i need execute perms on specific files? does that mean i have to set them on all files?
[07:36] <theantix> I don't know of a way to do that, don't think it's possible in fat32 since they don't have much of a permissions system
[07:36] <infoDonkey> theantix: but i suppose if access is still restricted to local users it isn't such a big deal
[07:37] <infoDonkey> so what do most folks running dual-boot systems do about this problem? i come from the mac world and setting up a dual-boot system with access to partitions across OSes is pretty easy on mac hardware
[07:38] <theantix> infoDonkey, I set up XP to run from ntfs, set up a large fat32 partition for music and documents, and run ext3 for linux
[07:39] <infoDonkey> theantix: sounds reasonable. what's the advantage of that over putting both XP and the music & docs on fat32?
[07:40] <theantix> infoDonkey, you get file permissions when in windows, it's a bit faster, and theoretically (but not practically) more secure
[07:40] <infoDonkey> theantix: ok. it's not the speediest machine in the world so maybe that's worth it :-)
[07:48] <vdaron> tseng ?
[07:48] <vdaron> are you there ?
[07:48] <tseng> yes
[07:48] <vdaron> My mono packages are well listed, but I can"t install them...
[07:48] <tseng> im sorry.
[07:49] <vdaron> :)
[07:49] <vdaron> no problem, but it seems that I need some stuff, any tips ?
[07:50] <vdaron> Dpend: mono-jit but it is not going to be installed or mono-mint but it is not installable
[07:50] <tseng> are you on amd64
[07:50] <vdaron> nope
[07:50] <vdaron> Inspiron 8200
[07:50] <tseng> what are you installing
[07:50] <vdaron> mono ;)
[07:51] <vdaron> I tried several packages, errors occured with all of them
[07:52] <tseng> works for me
[07:52] <vdaron> libicu28 ?
[07:53] <tseng> damn dude
[07:53] <tseng> do you have universe?
[07:53] <theantix> if all you want is mono, isn't it in the ubuntu universe?
[07:53] <tseng> theantix: its old and broken
[07:53] <theantix> ah, okay
[07:54] <tseng> vdaron: listen dude
[07:54] <vdaron> No, I did'nt have univers
[07:54] <tseng> uncomment the warty source with universe
[07:54] <tseng> comment the other
[07:54] <tseng> and apt-get update
[07:54] <vdaron> no probs
[07:54] <tseng> ok
[07:55] <LeeColleton> My laptop doesn't suspend with ACPI and the apm module won't load.  Do I need to recompile my kernel or what?
[07:56] <vdaron> tseng : You're the men, thanks very much for your patience....
[07:57] <jono_> hi all
[07:57] <jono_> jdub, ping
[07:57] <tseng> vdaron: sure
[07:57] <jono_> any canonical hackers in here?
[07:57] <jono_> I need some comments for a ubuntu review ASAP
[07:59] <lypanov> yoyo jono_ :)
[07:59] <jono_> heya lypanov :)
[08:00] <jono_> lypanov, hows it going dude?
[08:00] <lypanov> jono_: pretty dang good :)
[08:00] <lypanov> jordi: and with you? :)
[08:00] <lypanov> oops
[08:00] <lypanov> jono: and with you? :P
[08:00] <jono_> I am cool :)
[08:00] <jono_> cool, is jordi mallach in here?
[08:01] <jono_> lypanov, are you a canonical hacker?
[08:01] <jordi> jono_: I am jordi, yes
[08:01] <tseng> hi nate.
[08:01] <jono_> jordi, cool - I read your blog :)
[08:02] <jono_> jordi, nice to meet you :)
[08:02] <jordi> jono_: unfortunately, I'm no ubuntu hacker. I wish. :)
[08:02] <jono_> jordi, really? I thought you were
[08:02] <jordi> jono_: I was invited to the Oxford meeting by Canonical, but I'm not working for them.
[08:02] <jono_> ahhh right
[08:02] <jordi> A few other Debian people were invited too.
[08:02] <jono_> jordi, are you based in the UK?
[08:03] <lypanov> jono_: not devel. just user :)
[08:03] <jono_> lypanov, aahh right
[08:07] <jono_> right, I am off to much on some dinner
[08:07] <jono_> later folks
[08:07] <robertj> I hope Canonical keeps going strong, I'm planning on working my way through Oxford in a few years and will need a good job ;)
[08:08] <robertj> It's a nice town. I especially like the pen store ;)
[08:08] <jordi> robertj: well Oxford was just where the meeting was held. Canonical is quite distributed. America, Europe, Australia...
[08:08] <robertj> Hehe
[08:08] <robertj> (BTW, Motor Lodge is highly recommended there at $50 US/night)
[08:11] <robertj> I need to get my act together and finally learn to code and package
[08:12] <linux_mafia> anyone running ubuntu on an older machine, care to comment on performance
[08:13] <vrln> I installed it today on a 550mhz pentium3, worked just fine
[08:14] <WW> Hello world.  Is there a GUI-based backup utility that integrates nicely with gnome?  Some that could go into the Computer menu?  I am familiar with command line options (rsync comes to mind), but I'd like to find a good GUI-based app.
[08:14] <WW> s/Some/Something/
[08:19] <topyli> WW: haven't seen one. you can edit your backup scripts with gedit though :)
[08:45] <Mais> does ubuntu come with a c compiler?
[08:45] <DaveHope> If you install it, gcc
[08:45] <vrln> no afai, but you can get it with sudo apt-get install build-essential
[08:46] <vrln> (that installs some other things too that are needed for compiling most programs)
[08:46] <vrln> afai = afaik :)
[08:46] <Mais> DaveHope, where can i get a copy that works with the x86-64 arch?
[08:48] <DaveHope> Mais: Sorry, unsure. Only been toying with Ubuntu in vmware... Still a debianite. I believe there's only an amd64 release of ubunto, isn't there?
[08:49] <Capri> Mais: gcc supports x86-64 target
[08:50] <WW> Does anyone know the connection between OpenOffice Printer Administration and CUPS?
[08:51] <Mais> Thanks
[08:52] <WW> In CUPS, the Paper Size is set to US Letter; in OO, the Paper Size is blank, and I can't change it.  A day or so ago, OO thought it was A4, and I changed it to Letter.
[08:53] <WW> Is this a bug in OO?
[08:53] <Mais> Isn't A4 letter size?
[08:53] <Mais> or is A4 legal
[08:54] <Mais> If I remmeber corrctly, A4 is simply the size code for 8.5x11
[08:55] <WW> Mais: I don't think they are the same.  Either way, in OO the Paper Size is blank, and I can't change it.  In fact, I can't print anything from OO.
[08:59] <WW> I upgraded OpenOffice yesterday and now I can't print from OO.  Does anyone else have the most recent OO?  If so, have you had any problems printing?
[09:03] <Capri> A4 is not letter size
[09:05] <elmaya> whats the file that loads/unloads the snd , snd_pcm ?
[09:06] <Capri> DIN A4 is 8.3 x 11.7 inches
[09:06] <theantix> excellent, Sid's rhythmbox-applet works perfectly in Ubuntu
[09:08] <Mais> well its close to 8.5 =|
[09:08] <Capri> theantix: do you know how to load one file in rhythmbox? Is it possible?
[09:09] <axe9dotcom> =_=
[09:09] <axe9dotcom> getting somewhere ^^
[09:10] <psyklops> heh... actually found a drive this time?
[09:10] <theantix> Capri, you can right-click in nautilus and add it to your library, that should do it
[09:10] <axe9dotcom> yep
[09:10] <axe9dotcom> here's the errror:
[09:10] <psyklops> but....?
[09:10] <Mais> Ok, so new to linux and all, tryin to get my NVidia drivers installed, and I need to install the kernel headers correct? where do i get those
[09:11] <sanitario> sudo apt-get install linux-headers
[09:11] <axe9dotcom> file system type unknown, prtition type 0x7
[09:11] <elmaya> :(
[09:11] <Mais> sanitario - thanks
[09:11] <psyklops> hm...
[09:11] <axe9dotcom> A disk read error occurred
[09:11] <Capri> Mais: yeah but I think there should be other sizes for other countrys
[09:11] <axe9dotcom> press xltr-alt-del to restart
[09:11] <moyogo> elmaya: what do you mean?
[09:11] <psyklops> okay, to avoid having to do MORE rebooting, lets ask the channel!
[09:11] <axe9dotcom> But ateast it FOUND a disk
[09:12] <axe9dotcom> lol
[09:12] <Capri> DIN A4 is the German standard size for printer papers
[09:12] <psyklops> in grub, what's the primary slave's MBR?
[09:12] <Mais> ok ive narrowed it down to two choices
[09:12] <theantix> axe9dotcom, change your hard disk to LBA in the bios, that fixes the 0x7 problem
[09:12] <psyklops> hd1,0?
[09:12] <Capri> DIN = Deutsche Industrie Norm
[09:12] <axe9dotcom> can't
[09:12] <Mais> amd64-k8 or amd64-k8-smp
[09:12] <Mais> any idea what the smp is for?
[09:12] <sanitario>  Symmetric MultiProcessor
[09:12] <WW> OK, with either A4 or Letter, can anyone print from the most recent upgrade of OpenOffice?
[09:13] <elmaya> if i want to load the snd snd_pcm modules wich file loads them i cant remember is it a .conf file?
[09:13] <Mais> ok
[09:13] <sanitario> Mais: only useful if you have more than one cpus
[09:13] <Mais> gotcha
[09:13] <axe9dotcom> stupid compaq bios doesn't let you edit the bios
[09:13] <Capri> WW: didn't update open office yesterday
[09:13] <axe9dotcom> only lets you change some power settings, pw, and boot order
[09:14] <Mais> ok gotta hook ubuntu back online
[09:15] <moyogo> elmaya: try /etc/modules
[09:15] <Capri> sanitario: shared memory multiprocessor
[09:15] <moyogo> elmaya: but they should be loaded by hotplug at bootup
[09:16] <axe9dotcom> theantix, how do I do that on a limited BIOS?
[09:17] <sanitario> Capri: that's not what dict.org says
[09:20] <FLeiXiuS> How would I go about installing an RPM
[09:20] <LinuxJones> FLeiXiuS, you need to install alien
[09:21] <LinuxJones> then alien ???.rpm it will convert it to a .deb file
[09:21] <FLeiXiuS> LinuxJones, Oh! I just remembered Alien, thanks for the renevue
[09:21] <inklingx> if there are any ubuntu devs here: nice polished and table gnome desktop so far: thx!!!
[09:21] <LinuxJones> FLeiXiuS, sure :D
[09:21] <subterrific> yes, very table
[09:21] <FLeiXiuS> http://69.143.69.173/nick/Screenshot.png
[09:21] <FLeiXiuS> Thats my desktop currently
[09:22] <axe9dotcom> nope...
[09:22] <axe9dotcom> though
[09:22] <FLeiXiuS> Trying to get my NVIDIA drivers to work..
[09:22] <axe9dotcom> it didn't terminate
[09:22] <axe9dotcom> which is a good sign...
[09:22] <inklingx> stable :)
[09:22] <axe9dotcom> ?
[09:23] <LinuxJones> FLeiXiuS, here is some help from the wiki >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[09:26] <Capri> sanitario: ok.  you are right SMP is Symmetric Multi-Processor but the Linux SMP support is shared memory multi-processor.
[09:27] <FLeiXiuS> LinuxJones, I don't see anything regarding NVIDIA
[09:27] <moyogo> FLeiXiuS: have you go the proper packages installed?
[09:28] <moyogo> s/go/got
[09:30] <_brandx_> does anyone know if there are any plans to get a ubuntu forum community going?
[09:31] <FLeiXiuS> moyogo, Yes i have the nvidia.pkg1.run
[09:31] <moyogo> FLeiXiuS: ubuntu has .deb packages for nvidia
[09:32] <WW> FleiXius: Look at question 3 in the FAQ linked earlier.
[09:32] <Capri> _brandx_: yes it is in work
[09:32] <FLeiXiuS> wWW, wow i skipped right over, thanks
[09:33] <_brandx_> capri: great thanks :)
[09:34] <LinuxJones> FLeiXiuS, # 3
[09:35] <LinuxJones> :D
[09:36] <sri> man, still having trouble booting my new kernel
[09:36] <sri> apparently, even though I point it at /dev/hd3 it wants to boot at 0,0 bootblock
[09:36] <sri> I fixed this earlier by setting root=majorminornumber
[09:36] <sri> but it doesn'twork in this case. :/
[09:37] <sri> this shuldn't be hard, it's the only disk on the laptop
[09:37] <chutwig> hd3?
[09:37] <chutwig> don't you mean hdc?
[09:38] <chutwig> or do you mean hda3
[09:39] <sri> hda3
[09:39] <sri> sorry
[09:39] <sri> busy typing in (hd0,2) in grub :)
[09:39] <chutwig> heh
[09:39] <sri> so I"m not sure why it can't mount the root fs
[09:40] <chutwig> does it get to loading the kernel and then panic?
[09:40] <sri> I see it in saying failed to mount (hd0,0) but the root=is correctly teh right one
[09:40] <sri> yeah
[09:40] <sri> so it sees the disk fine
[09:40] <sri> I had a similar problem on another box
[09:40] <LinuxJones> sri, do you have the filesystems built into the kernel and NOT as modules right ?
[09:40] <sri> and I was able to fix it by using majorminor number
[09:40] <chutwig> yeah, if that's the case, you need an initrd.img
[09:41] <sri> LinuxJones: it's whatever the config that comes with the stock debian kernel
[09:41] <sri> and did make oldconfig
[09:41] <sri> LinuxJones: one would hope thats taken care of but i can certainly check
[09:42] <pere> My menues have disappeared from the upper bar. Anyone know how i can get them back?
[09:42] <adapt> right click.. add to menu
[09:42] <sri> hrm
[09:42] <LinuxJones> sri, as I recall they are built as modules and use an initrd.
[09:42] <sri> yes, ext3 is a module
[09:42] <sri> piece of shit.
[09:42] <sri> okay, need to recompile it :)
[09:42] <adapt> haha
[09:42] <LinuxJones> sri, LOL
[09:43] <sri> adapt: ;)
[09:43] <adapt> i read somewhere about ubuntu having issues during install with rieserfs... any truth to that (seems like a sketchy statment)
[09:43] <pere> adapt. Add to panal what? Cant fint the two system menues there.. can I?
[09:43] <sri> btw I hope someone fixed gnome-session, it's broken :/
[09:44] <adapt> pere, main menu
[09:44] <chutwig> adapt: grub doesn't boot well off XFS, i know that, and probably not reiserfs either
[09:44] <jono> any canonical hackers here?
[09:44] <adapt> chutwig, i've always used reiser.. for the past 3 years or so, i've never had a problem 
[09:44] <adapt> oh
[09:44] <adapt> although i use ext2 for /boot always, so maybe thats what they were refering too
[09:44] <adapt> to
[09:44] <chutwig> yes
[09:44] <sri> is resier good? I've always stuck with ext3
[09:44] <psyklops_> how do I claim my name?
[09:45] <pere> adapt: If I choose main manu, I get the "gnome foot"-menu. Im looking for the default two menues. Applications and computer, was it?
[09:45] <chutwig> i think reiser is overrated
[09:45] <chutwig> everyone talks about it like it's the be-all end-all of filesystems
[09:45] <adapt> pere.. sorry, do the "custom menu"
[09:45] <sri> so..when I build this kernel
[09:45] <sri> it tells me the root dvice is (3, 3)
[09:45] <LinuxJones> Ext3 is rock stable it's all I use for my systems
[09:45] <sri> on wait..thats fine
[09:45] <psyklops_> :)
[09:45] <jono> anyone?
[09:45] <sri> major/minor number of /dev/hda3
[09:46] <adapt> chutwig, i agree. i think they are all fine, you cant "see" a difference in performance on day to day desktop use
[09:46] <chutwig> ext2 and ext3 are getting kind of long in the tooth
[09:46] <LinuxJones> jonobacon ?
[09:46] <jono> LinuxJones, yep
[09:46] <pere> adapt: "custom menu"? cant find anything like it.
[09:46] <chutwig> so is hfs+  :mad:
[09:46] <mdz> jono: sure
[09:46] <sri> hrm
[09:46] <sri> I should doa review of ubuntu too
[09:46] <adapt> pere, its right under main menu in the list
[09:46] <jono> mdz, you work on Ubuntu?
[09:47] <sri> whiprush: do a review of ubuntu ;)
[09:47] <mdz> jono: yes
[09:47] <sri> elmaya: did my fix help you lastnight?
[09:47] <whiprush> sri: yep.
[09:47] <jono> mdz, could you /msg me your email address so I can mail you some questions
[09:47] <axe9dotcom> =_=
[09:47] <sri> whiprush: we've got competition too :) haha
[09:47] <adapt> pere (Menu Bar - A custom menu)
[09:47] <pere> adapt: Ahh that one...:-) Sorry for being so slow here..:-) Thanks a lot!
[09:47] <adapt> pere no sweat man
[09:47] <sri> whiprush: although you've had a better experience than I did, ubuntu totally bombed on my dell
[09:48] <whiprush> wifi still?
[09:48] <adapt> sri, cause dell is a bomb
[09:48] <adapt> jk :)
[09:48] <sri> whiprush: although, truly only sound is broken
[09:48] <xcasex> sri same here.
[09:48] <sri> adapt: dude.. this 8500 kicks, most awesome lcd screen ever, although it is heavy and noisy..but still..
[09:48] <elmaya> sri, just did :) i unloaded sound server at startup and loaded snd-pcm-oss on  modules
[09:48] <adapt> sri, lappy?
[09:48] <sri> adapt: yeah, need ndiswrapper, which is why I had to recompile the kernel in order tro get wifi
[09:49] <adapt> i have a inspiron 8000 right next to me with ubuntu on it
[09:49] <adapt> sri, i got it like 2 days ago from my work, no wireless though
[09:49] <adapt> yet
[09:49] <sri> adapt: but really, the x config was smooth, only sound was bad, but the install was bad beause it kept indicating a problem with making filesystems :/
[09:49] <axe9dotcom> hey
[09:49] <elmaya> i got an 8500
[09:49] <sri> elmaya: oh, cool..yeha, same here.
[09:49] <sri> elmaya: did you fix sound yet? :)
[09:49] <axe9dotcom> if I did fixmbr what drive should I speacify?
[09:49] <elmaya> sri, yup i fixed the sound
[09:49] <sri> elmaya: how did you fix it?
[09:50] <mdz> sri: ndiswrapper will be included in the next rev, no need to compile your kernel anymore :-)
[09:50] <sri> elmaya: it loaded the right driver.
[09:50] <elmaya> lets see i unloade partport or something like that
[09:50] <sri> mdz: oh, okay, I wasn't sure if it was compatable with your philosophy :)
[09:50] <sri> elmaya: oh
[09:50] <elmaya> it causes problems with irqs
[09:50] <sri> mdz: but having ndiswrapper is necessary, glad you guys are going to include it.
[09:50] <mdz> sri: obviously we can't do much about it if it breaks your system, but we can provide it pre-built for you for convenience's sake
[09:50] <sri> elmaya: bizarre.
[09:51] <whiprush> ah
[09:51] <sri> mdz: yeah, thats what I was lookin for.
[09:51] <whiprush> that parport dell irq thing
[09:51] <elmaya> i also got ndiwswrapper without recompiling the kernel
[09:51] <sri> mdz: you don't have an ndiswrapper deb, so I had to recompile my kernel and what not
[09:51] <sri> elmaya: how did youd o that?
[09:51] <LinuxJones> mdz: any chance of getting modconf added into Ubuntu ?
[09:51] <sri> elmaya: that would make things way easy for me, but I've been having troubleloading the kernel module
[09:51] <mdz> sri: there is a kernel waiting in the queue which has the ndiswrapper module built; the tools will be packaged soon
[09:51] <elmaya> just dowloaded the kernel headers and compilted ndiwswrapper
[09:52] <sri> mdz: neat, can't wait!!
[09:52] <sri> mdz: I had some trouble with the install at teh fdisk portion, I need to put in a bug report in.
[09:52] <sri> mdz: itclaims it can't resize an ext2 partition but I don't have such a beast.
[09:52] <elmaya> wlan0: ndiswrapper ethernet device 00:0f:66:2e:af:d4 using driver bcmwl5.sys
[09:52] <elmaya> ndiswrapper device wlan0 supports WPA with AES/CCMP and TKIP ciphers
[09:52] <elmaya> ndiswrapper: driver bcmwl5.sys (The Linksys Group, Inc.,07/17/2003, 3.30.15.0) added
[09:52] <sri> mdz: it makes me go back to the fdisk portion, so I end up ignoring the whole thing and going to install.
[09:53] <sri> elmaya: which version of ndiswrapper?
[09:53] <elmaya> latest
[09:53] <sri> elmaya: I coudln't get anything working..
[09:53] <sri> elmaya: hrm..how did you compile it?
[09:53] <mdz> LinuxJones: the source is in universe, but it fails to build (because modconf is a bit of a gross hack)
[09:53] <elmaya> i believe its 1.0
[09:53] <sri> elmaya: 0.10
[09:53] <elmaya> just did make install
[09:53] <sri> elmaya: really?? that didn't work for me.
[09:53] <elmaya> mm
[09:53] <elmaya> weird
[09:53] <sri> elmaya: it tells me the module is in the wrong format
[09:53] <elmaya> the .ko?
[09:53] <sri> elmaya: and the problem is the ndiswrapper binary, not the module itself I think
[09:54] <sri> elmaya: I don't think it's the module itself, ndiswrapperutil or something? it gave some error in dmesg
[09:54] <sri> goddam it, it still didn't boot.
[09:56] <sri> elmaya: so I'm ata loss here
[09:56] <LinuxJones> mdz: ahh ok
[09:56] <elmaya> sri, did u downloaded the rith kernel-headers?
[09:57] <elmaya> right
[09:58] <Capri> can anyone tell me what this CYMK with FS dithering in Ghostscript bits per pixels in the printer setup is?
[09:59] <ForsaKen> why doesnt ubuntu comes with gcc cc lib and more things?
[09:59] <ForsaKen> gtk++ and more, is there a 1 command to install all this things ?
[09:59] <Capri> Printed images look here like paints with aqua color
[10:00] <whiprush> ForsaKen: try installing build-essential
[10:01] <Capri> ForsaKen: it is not installed by default because default users don't need dev libs
[10:03] <sri> elmaya: dunno, I thought so
[10:03] <ForsaKen> ah but still there are alot of things i need to install to be able to compile things
[10:03] <sri> it matched the one in uname I think
[10:03] <ForsaKen> err :/
[10:04] <sri> ForsaKen: I believe they want everything to work out of the box ala desktop
[10:04] <sri> ForsaKen: you shouldn't have to compile anything
[10:04] <sri> ForsaKen: unless of course, you're me :)
[10:05] <Slackeerb> does anyone know any xbox tunneling software for linux?
[10:05] <azeem> ForsaKen: and it's easy: 'apt-get install build-essential && apt-get build-dep <package>'
[10:05] <Mais> I finally got my nvidia installer to recognize the headers and gcc, but now im getting some errors that i cant decipher, they look to me like permission errors
[10:05] <ForsaKen> what do you mean by package
[10:05] <ForsaKen> it is a dir
[10:05] <ForsaKen> with all the files in it .. 
[10:05] <sri> elmaya: lets make it simple, what package did you download? :)
[10:05] <axe9dotcom> o_o
[10:05] <axe9dotcom> o_o
[10:06] <elmaya> sri, you mean ndiswrapper?
[10:06] <whiprush> ForsaKen: what are you trying to build?
[10:06] <ForsaKen> xqf-1.0
[10:06] <elmaya> ndiswrapper 0.10
[10:06] <ForsaKen> the one apt-get has is old
[10:06] <ForsaKen> and i need the newst version
[10:06] <sri> elmaya: no which linux headers
[10:07] <elmaya> oh
[10:07] <whiprush> apt-get install build-essential && apt-get build-dep xqf
[10:07] <whiprush> will snag everything you need to build xqf
[10:07] <Capri> whiprush: if the new xqf has not any new deps ;)
[10:07] <ForsaKen> E: Unable to find a source package for xqf-1.0
[10:08] <Mais> make[2] : *** No rule to make target 'modules'. Stop.
[10:08] <whiprush> well yeah
[10:08] <ForsaKen> heh
[10:08] <azeem> ForsaKen: if it's too old, then there is no source available
[10:08] <ForsaKen> thanks
[10:08] <sri> elmaya: I got linux-headers-2.6.8.1-2-386 linux-headers-2.6.8.1-2
[10:08] <ForsaKen> working
[10:08] <sri> the 386 one points itno the other one
[10:08] <Mais> NVIDIA: left KBUILD
[10:08] <Mais> nvidia.ko failed to uild
[10:08] <sri> it seems to my uname
[10:08] <elmaya> sri, someone posted there a way to match the headers with the kernel it was like apt-get install kernel-headers -s `uname'
[10:09] <JStrike> sabdfl : Congrats on the #18 ! 
[10:10] <JStrike> Very umpressive
[10:10] <sri> elmaya: the error I get is ndiswrapper version 0.10 loaded (preempt-yes,smp=no)/n ndiswrapper (wraper_init:2286): loadndiswrapper fialed (65280); chekc utils version mismatch
[10:10] <JStrike> s/umpressive/impressive
[10:10] <sri> correct all typos :)
[10:10] <sri> hehe
[10:10] <sri> elmaya: I tried that it didn't seem to work
[10:10] <elmaya> mmm
[10:11] <elmaya> must be gcc related then
[10:11] <sri> -s is "simulate" meaning do a dry run
[10:11] <sri> elmaya: thats what IT hought
[10:11] <sri> but uname said that the kernel was compiled with gcc 3.4 same version as mine
[10:11] <sri> okay, be right back..
[10:12] <sri> gotta finish something real quick.
[10:21] <Echylo> I have a problem, when I launch login manager, and I enter root password it gives this:
[10:21] <Echylo> Failed to run gdmsetup as user root, child terminated with 1 status
[10:22] <Greensky> how do you setup openssh-server to run during startup or does it do that automatically if you install it?
[10:23] <joem> Greensky, automatically
[10:23] <Scognito> i made the package of mplayer for pentium3
[10:23] <Greensky> joem, thanks.. :)
[10:23] <Scognito> if someone want it tell me
[10:28] <heretic> i installed kde and now my sensible-browser is konqueror. how can i set it back to firefox?
[10:28] <elmaya> i removed rhytmbox from synaptic for total removal..how do i get it back :( ?
[10:28] <Mithrandir> heretic: sudo update-alternatives sensible-browser , iirc
[10:29] <heretic> thank you
[10:30] <axe9dotcom> Aight
[10:30] <axe9dotcom> I need to get sound working
[10:30] <axe9dotcom> the soundless working on computers thing is getting uber old...
[10:31] <theantix> heretic, if what Mithrandir suggested didn't work, try sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[10:32] <heretic> theantix, that worked better, thanks
[10:39] <psyklops> what would be the first step in getting sound working?
[10:40] <Kosai> psyklops: That would depend on why sound isn't currently working, no?
[10:41] <psyklops> okay, change the question. what would be the first step in finding out WHY sound is currently not working
[10:41] <Kosai> - Find out what type of sound card you have.
[10:41] <Kosai> - Find out whether the right module's loaded.
[10:41] <psyklops> lspci shows it
[10:41] <Kosai> - Find out whether the mixer is muting it.
[10:41] <krischan> hey, does Ubuntu come with a command that is able to handle RAR-archives? Or do I have install a package that is capable of that?
[10:41] <psyklops> how do you check modules?
[10:42] <psyklops> lsmod...
[10:43] <Kosai> psyklops: Right.
[10:43] <psyklops> now how do you find out which module works with the sound card you have?
[10:43] <LinuxJones> krischan, you can get unrar from the main debian testing repository
[10:43] <Kosai> If you tell me the card model, I can probably tell you.
[10:43] <psyklops> ESS Technology ES1988 Allegro-1 (rev 1 0)
[10:45] <psyklops> where are modules stored?
[10:45] <Kosai> psyklops: Google hints at it being unsupported by Linux.
[10:45] <Kosai> psyklops: /lib/modules/$kernel/kernel/sound/pci.
[10:45] <krischan> LinuxJones: it is obviously not contained in any of the pre-configured Ubuntu-archives, isn't it?
[10:46] <Kosai> psyklops: Oh.  Apparantly maestro3 handles it.  Try `modprobe snd-maestro3`.
[10:46] <LinuxJones> krischan, no don't think so
[10:46] <psyklops> eh, its not on my system... I'm helping someone else
[10:47] <psyklops> decided to get info while he was away
[10:47] <Kosai> Oh.  Well, diagnosing someone else's someone else's problem over IRC is a little too much for me, sorry.
[10:47] <psyklops> heh... you helped me plenty
[10:47] <psyklops> I asked generic enough questions
[10:48] <psyklops> that didn't require system manipulation
[10:48] <psyklops> up to a point
[10:50] <krischan> LinuxJones: Okay, but thanks for the hint anyway. Will the Debian version work? (I'm always uncertain about that question because of what was written in the FAQ: Debian binary packages aren't guaranteed to work on the Ubuntu platform)
[10:50] <dle> Hi.  I'm looking at http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu-cdimage/releases/warty/preview/ .  Are these install or live CD images?
[10:51] <LinuxJones> krischan, yes I installed it this morning :D
[10:51] <psyklops> after you've modprobed the sound module, do you need to do anything else for the system to play sounds?
[10:51] <LinuxJones> krischan, just download the .deb file and dpkg -i it
[10:51] <krischan> LinuxJones: well, that's good to know! :)
[10:51] <LinuxJones> krischan, :D
[10:52] <LinuxJones> psyklops, try adjusting your sound volume...it might me muted
[10:52] <Mais> =|
[10:52] <theantix> anyone have advice on how to get V4L (or webcam or /dev/video0) working on Ubuntu?
[10:53] <dle> I'll rephrase my question: where are the liveCD images?
[10:53] <LinuxJones> dle, I don't think they are going to be ready until October
[10:54] <dle> LinuxJones: thanks.
[10:54] <srbaker> huh
[10:54] <Mais> has anyone succesfully gotten their nvidia drivers installed under ubuntu
[10:55] <LinuxJones> Mais, yes
[10:55] <LinuxJones> Mais, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions look to # 3
[10:55] <Mais> Heres what ive done: gotten the headers, gotten gcc, specified the kernel root as /usr, and updated binutils
[10:56] <enrico> Hello.  If someone hacking with the ubuntulinux.org CMS is online, could you please query me?
[10:56] <Mais> k
[10:56] <Mithrandir> hi enrico
[10:56] <LinuxJones> Mais, there are pre=compiled .debs available unless you built your own kernel
[10:56] <enrico> Mithrandir: hi!
[10:57] <enrico> Is there some plone hacker around?
[10:57] <Mais> ahaha
[10:57] <Mais> ahhh
[10:57] <Mais> alright
[10:57] <Mais> thanks Jones
[10:58] <Mais> bb
[10:58] <soumoh> hello
[10:59] <LinuxJones> soumoh, hi
[10:59] <soumoh> i've problems running eclipse 3 under ubuntu
[10:59] <soumoh> I've installed jdk and put it in my PATH file, and I can compile and run other java apps..but not eclipse
[11:02] <LinuxJones> Mais, how did you make out ??
[11:02] <Mais> the pacakge is gone ><
[11:02] <soumoh> bbl
[11:02] <soumoh> exit
[11:02] <Mais> so not too well
[11:03] <LinuxJones> Mais, no what is wrong ?
[11:03] <Mais> it can't locate the package
[11:04] <LinuxJones> Mais, you have to edit your /etc/apt/sources.lst file it's in the faq
[11:04] <LinuxJones> Mais, you then have to apt-get update to get the new file list
[11:07] <defendguin> i still cant get my wireless working :(
[11:08] <Mais> Jones, was the source list update in the faq you linked or another one. I don't see that mentioned anywhere.
[11:10] <LinuxJones> Mais, you jsut have to un-comment an entry in the sources.lst file for the restricted tree.
[11:10] <Mais> oh easy
[11:11] <Mais> haha
[11:11] <LinuxJones> Mais, heh
[11:11] <Mais> yea i opened it and the instructions were right there -_-
[11:11] <Mais> thanks for putting up with this
[11:12] <LinuxJones> Mais, no problem :P
[11:12] <Mais> ok brb
[11:15] <Se7h> sun-j2re1.4
[11:15] <Se7h> cant find it to install...
[11:19] <defendguin> why does the link monitor on my wireless card say 100% but the link light on the card is never on? does this matter
[11:22] <Mais> The universe apt lists wont update "E: some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead"
[11:22] <Mais> thanks for your help Jones, I appreciate it
[11:22] <Mais> but i gotta jet for a while
[11:23] <linux_mafia> defendguin, where did you get the ndis stuff?
[11:23] <supertux_> linux_mafia, im defendguin 
[11:23] <supertux_> from the ndis site
[11:24] <linux_mafia> ok, while i have no wireless experience, i was taken with your plight ;) and ive been looking around
[11:24] <supertux_> this wireless signal strength applet sucks. i turned off broadcasting and it still says 100% link strength
[11:24] <Slackeerb> can someone link me to the how-to isntall nvidia drivers?
[11:25] <linux_mafia> supertux_, you should try these ones, apt src  deb http://rigtorp.se/debian/ unstable/
[11:26] <linux_mafia> or have you already?
[11:26] <supertux_> slow site 
[11:27] <linux_mafia> try modifying these instructions to your needs http://tiefighter.et.tudelft.nl/~arthur/wpc54g/
[11:28] <linux_mafia> is that any help?
[11:29] <supertux_> well the ndis site has very similiar instructions
[11:29] <LinuxJones> Slackeerb, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions # 3
[11:29] <Slackeerb> LinuxJones: thx
[11:29] <supertux_> hmmm
[11:29] <linux_mafia> supertux_, ok
[11:29] <LinuxJones> Slackeerb, np
[11:29] <supertux_> there is a slight twist in the instructions
[11:33] <nick01> if I use the bluecurve theme will that make gnome look like fedora with a single panel ?
[11:34] <UziMonkey> no, but it's not hard to make everything into a single panel
[11:34] <UziMonkey> (at least I don't think it would be, I haven't tried)
[11:35] <nick01> k :(
[11:37] <supertux__> woo hoo i can ping my router
[11:38] <linux_mafia> yay
[11:38] <supertux__> still cant browse the net though
[11:38] <linux_mafia> well, one step closer anyway
[11:39] <defendguin> yeah
[11:40] <axe9dotcom> Aight
[11:40] <axe9dotcom> who wants to help me get sound?
[11:40] <linux_mafia> defendguin, at least i could help a bit
[11:40] <nick01> if I install KDE will I have to add the links to the K menu or will those be generated automatically ?
[11:40] <defendguin> if i can ping my router and i have an address i wonder why i cant browse just yet
[11:40] <linux_mafia> defendguin, dns
[11:40] <defendguin> hmmm
[11:41] <defendguin> my laptop is not showing up in the dhcp clients table of my router
[11:42] <nick01> linux_mafia: do u know ?
[11:42] <Slackeerb> nick01: why install kde. =P
[11:42] <nick01> I don't like gnome's 2 panels 
[11:42] <nick01> I liked fedora's gnome
[11:42] <Slackeerb> your not useing ubuntu?
[11:43] <nick01> downloading the iso now
[11:43] <linux_mafia> nick01, dont use kde, wouldnt bother on ubuntu either, if you want kde i'd use a kde centric distro
[11:43] <Slackeerb> nick01: its the best distro I have ever tryed. ;)
[11:43] <Knio1> hey, I just installed ubuntu... and I don't seem to have a root password. the installer only asked me to make a user account, but that password isn't working when I su?
[11:44] <linux_mafia> Knio1, use sudo
[11:44] <Slackeerb> nick01: ya if u want kde use suse. or mandrake. lol
[11:44] <Knio1> whats sudo?
[11:44] <nick01> why can't I just install KDE ?
[11:44] <linux_mafia> nick01, try mepis, its debian based, meant to be very good, and kde focused
[11:44] <Slackeerb> kino1: for example sudo apt-get install program
[11:44] <nick01> I tried mepis
[11:46] <linux_mafia> nick01, well i think you can install kde from universe, but basically this distro is based around gnome, i'm not even sure of kdes completeness in the ubuntu repos
[11:46] <nick01> it is in repositories ? I was thinking about geting it from kde.org
[11:46] <linux_mafia> wtf
[11:47] <defendguin> linux_mafia, now my network is un reachable
[11:47] <linux_mafia> installing kde from another source on a gnome based distro dosent make sense
[11:47] <Slackeerb> anyone know where i can get a totem plugin for mozilla?
[11:48] <linux_mafia> defendguin, hmmm
[11:48] <defendguin> i am really starting to hate thr gnome gui network config thing
[11:48] <defendguin> s/thr/the
[11:49] <linux_mafia> try this http://ryanthiessen.com/uploads/netapplet_0.98.0-2_i386.deb
[11:50] <defendguin> ever used it?
[11:50] <linux_mafia> no
[11:50] <linux_mafia> installing now
[11:50] <linux_mafia> defendguin, i read about it on mailing list
[11:53] <defendguin> :(
[11:53] <defendguin> somethign is wrong with hal my flash drive i have been using to transport files is not being detected properly
[11:54] <|trey|> Anyone know what the diff between /.dev and /dev is?
[11:55] <linux_mafia> |trey|, .dev is hidden?
[11:55] <|trey|> linux_mafia: well... but why?  :/
[11:55] <linux_mafia> |trey|, well im fresh outa ideas
[11:55] <|trey|> They appear to contain the same things... maybe /.dev is for /sys somehow?  :/
[11:56] <|trey|> jdub: ping
[11:56] <|trey|> He is smart  8)
[11:56] <|trey|> but gone  :'(
[11:56] <|trey|> bob2: ping
[11:56] <|trey|> grr