defendguinlinux_mafia, for some reason now i can ping my router12:01
defendguinstill i am not able to browse12:01
linux_mafiadefendguin, whats in your /etc/resolv.conf12:01
defendguinits blank12:02
linux_mafiadefendguin, well theres the problem12:03
defendguinwell im glad you know12:03
defendguinits been a long while since i have had this many problems with netowrking12:03
linux_mafiadefendguin, it should contain the line nameserver <ip-of-your-router/ap/gateway>12:04
defendguini could put it there 12:05
defendguinbut i dont know if i should12:05
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linux_mafiadefendguin, why not, you can always delete it12:06
defendguinwhats the syntax i should use12:06
defendguinjust put the ip of my router nothing else?12:06
linux_mafiajust the following12:07
linux_mafianameserver <ip>12:07
linux_mafia|trey|, i think .dev is to do with udev, but its just a hunch12:08
defendguinthe router isnt running DNS12:08
Knio1could someone help me install ndiswrapper?12:08
defendguinKnio1, linux_mafia just showed me some great instructions12:09
defendguinworking so far12:09
linux_mafiadefendguin, ok, well in my case its the ip of my adsl router, since it gets its ip from my isp, you will need to adapt that to your situation12:09
Knio1this is what ive done so far: http://h4xn3t.zapto.org:8080/ndis.txt12:10
defendguini can just use the
linux_mafiadefendguin, which is what? 12:10
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defendguinKnio1, dont use that deb you still have to build the source12:10
defendguinyou will need kernel-headers12:11
Knio1i'll need to download those right?12:11
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defendguinyou might allread have the tar.gz on your box12:11
linux_mafiaman i need a ciggy12:11
mdzKnio1: they're on the CD, linux-headers-`uname -r`12:11
defendguinthe deb puts the file somewhere12:11
defendguinhorray we have Wireless12:12
mdzKnio1: or, you colud wait until tomorrow, when a new kernel with ndiswrapper in it should be available by default12:12
defendguinthank you linux_mafia12:12
linux_mafiadefendguin, working?12:12
linux_mafiadefendguin, no worries dude12:12
defendguinlinux_mafia, give Knio1 that link you gave me12:12
Knio1mdz: that could work12:13
calcis there any way to disable GSI interrupts?12:13
defendguinfor those instruction not the app12:13
calci'm not certain but i have a feeling its causing a problem12:13
linux_mafiadefendguin, just one more step on my journey to being a guru, hahaha12:13
WWHey folks: The next time someone asks how to add the universe repository, point them to question 10: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions .12:13
mdz|trey|: /.dev is the old, static /dev directory12:14
linux_mafiaKnio1, http://tiefighter.et.tudelft.nl/~arthur/wpc54g/12:14
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linux_mafiamdz, so its to do with udev?12:14
mdzlinux_mafia: correct12:14
linux_mafiaim on fire today, heh12:15
mdzwhen udev starts, it bind-mounts /dev at /.dev so it can still be accessed, and then mounts over /dev12:15
linux_mafiadefendguin, i think i'll put that link on the wiki12:15
defendguinalso ndis would be a good idea to have in the distro12:15
Knio1linux_mafia: i've got a WMP11v412:16
linux_mafiaKnio1, and?12:16
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Knio1would that be the same?12:16
linux_mafiaKnio1, its not a hard and fast thing, use your initiative, adapt the instructions to your situation12:17
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linux_mafiadamnit i think i'll have to make a cig out of butts12:18
|trey|mdz: I thought /sys was what udev used now?  I take it everything in /sys is linked to /.dev then?12:18
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|trey|mdz: ps, thank you :)12:18
mdz|trey|: /sys is sysfs, which is where udev gets the information it uses to create device nodes12:18
nodaDebian has a "java-package" package... is there anything similar for Ubuntu? Or should I mess around with apt and download the Debian one?12:19
|trey|mdz: oh... ok... that kinda clears it up then  :)  thank you12:19
mdznoda: it will be available in ubuntu 'universe' soon12:20
|trey|noda: huh... wtf is java-package?  there is java-common etc... umm, apt-get.org, search for j2re12:20
calcappears to be a problem between acpi and gsi12:20
theantixanyone have an idea why I'm running kernel but it's not available to download an image or headers like that?12:20
calcmaybe 2.6.9 will solve the issue, it has some more acpi fixes12:20
noda|trey|: You download a java ".run" from Sun and run make-jpkg on it, and it gives you a .deb :)12:20
|trey|mdz: that rules  :)  universe is something I have wanted for a long time afaict  :)12:20
tvontheantix: I don't think the headers need the arch info, but I could be wrong12:20
tvonoh no, I'm wrong12:21
nodamdz: Cool! How soon is "soon"? I'm in no big rush but it'd be nice to know :)12:21
|trey|noda: oh... never cared make a java package myself  :/12:21
mdznoda: should be this week12:21
nodamdz: Awesome :)12:21
nodamdz: Ubuntu rocks my world :)12:21
|trey|noda: I knew about kernel-package... sounds simular :/12:21
mdzjava-package is in Debian contrib, and Debian contrib hasn't been imported quite yet12:21
linux_mafianoda, i used the debain proper one, followed these instructions, works a charm for me12:21
noda|trey|: I loathe it. Absolutely loathe it. But you gotta do what you gotta do in school :)12:21
linux_mafiaahhhhhh i called it debain12:22
|trey|noda: so far... I am still waiting on the stuff for Hoary... if they make it easy to upgrade and include everything hoary is listed as including... it will be pretty much my dream distro  :)12:22
nodaYeah, no kidding. The distro everybody's always wanted :)12:22
|trey|noda: I use java... I just use others packages though... don't need java for much  :/12:23
|trey|noda: seriously  :)12:23
linux_mafianoda, apart from compilation (read gentoo fanatics) and kde nuts, heh12:23
nodalinux_mafia: Debian lets you compile everything you want. Gentoo fanatics have just never tried it :P12:24
|trey|linux_mafia: eh... apt-get -b source pkg  :/12:24
theantixoh duh.... the Ubuntu main kernels are "linux-*" while the debian ones are "kernel-*" -- a bit confusing if you don't know that12:24
linux_mafianoda, i know, but why would you bother12:24
nodalinux_mafia: Exactly :)12:24
linux_mafiawell there are certain situations12:24
linux_mafiabut in general12:24
nodaIn the ideal world I'd never need to compile stuff :)12:24
noda(oh, except for whatever I'm hacking)12:24
nodaI wonder if my teachers would let me use Java 1.5...12:25
nodaErm, "j2sdk 1.5"12:25
linux_mafiaman i need to learn to program12:25
=== |trey| still thinks Gentoo is moronic... you compile all the time, that takes the bulk of the processor, so nothing is actually running fast... defeats the purpose :/
|trey|and don't say "overnight upgrades"...12:25
noda|trey|: I know exactly what you mean. I tried Gentoo once. I kept it for about 8 hours -- that is, until about 30 minutes after it finished installing :P12:26
|trey|My computer rarely finished a compilation before I woke up  :/12:26
nodaThen I tried another distro that was ready in under an hour :)12:26
UziMonkey|trey|: which is why I switched..  I was avoiding things that had a lot of deps.  If I had a really fast machine, gentoo would be better, but I don't, so...12:26
|trey|noda: bah.. to get a working desktop... my record is like 4 days  :/12:26
nodaUziMonkey: But that's the whole point -- it *wouldn't* because what would be the point in compiling yourself if you have a really fast computer? :)12:26
linux_mafiai heard when gentoo finishes its final compile its like saying the 6 million true names of god, and the world will end12:26
WWHey linux/debian/ubuntu gurus, I have a commercial program (Maple) that needs this shared library: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2.  According to debian.org, it is in "oldlibs".  Is there an easy way to get this in ubuntu?12:26
tvonWW: goto packages.debian.org and do a search for 'oldlibs' in 'testing' and download it/install it12:27
|trey|WW: apt-get install it12:27
UziMonkeynoda: no, the point is that software is too bloated!  I should be able to compile a complete, full featured desktop system on my 486 in under a minute damn it.12:27
tvon|trey|: its not in ubuntu12:27
|trey|UziMonkey: umm... dude, that would not include a single feature  :/12:28
|trey|tvon: add 'universal' to the end of your sources.list repo's (NOT security though)12:28
nodaNah, we just need a really really REALLY fast compiler ;)12:28
|trey|tvon: failing that... add a deb repo without main12:29
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mdzWW: that library is several years obsolete; it has been removed from Debian12:29
mdzyou can still find it in the woody release, but it is gone in sarge12:29
|trey|noda: on a 486, there is no such thing as "fast"  :/12:29
UziMonkeyoh good, I'm done with openoffice, I can have my RAM back12:29
mwh_anyone know why gpdf is not the default pdf viewer in ubuntu?12:29
UziMonkeymwh_: that's in the FAQ, no?12:29
mwh_realy, ill take a look12:30
mdzyes, it is12:30
WWmdz: Ah, progress...12:30
UziMonkeyhas anyone been having trouble with DHCP not setting resolv.conf correctly?  or at all?12:30
|trey|bah... xpdf is ugly  :(12:30
mdzWW: it can't even be built anymore; that's why12:30
crimsunUziMonkey: dhclient?12:30
UziMonkey(or dhclient, I should say)12:30
|trey|distro's should stop including native X apps  :/12:30
mdzWW: is there no newer version of Maple available?12:31
mwh_I did not have a look in the wiki, but it is not here, where I looked: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqfolder_view12:31
|trey| GNOME 2.8's version of gpdf is available in universe. We decided to ship xpdf for WartyWarthog instead, as gpdf doesn't support text searching and Type3 fonts. It should do by the time we release HoaryHedgehog with GNOME 2.10.12:31
WWmdz: Yes, there is, and I'll get it eventually.  Just wanted to see if I could get working that version that I have now.12:31
nodaOoh, xpdf supports text searching? nice :)12:31
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crimsunUziMonkey: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=17179712:32
|trey|noda: I can't look at the interface long enough to use text searching though  :/12:32
mwh_|trey|: I can read, anyways I installed gpdf, it worked for some time, but during an upgrade it suddenly stoped working :(12:32
noda|trey|: You're not the only one :P12:32
UziMonkeythanks crimsun12:32
calcwow ubuntu amd64 is really screwed up12:33
crimsunUziMonkey: np12:33
|trey|mwh_: *shrug* I figured you were lazy cuz you said "I did not have a look in the wiki".... my mistake  :/12:33
calconce it gets to second stage about to install packages it just completely falls over12:33
mwh_|trey|: np12:33
mwh_|trey|: hmm gpdf works on one of my computers but not the other sigh12:33
|trey|mwh_: heh, I love odities  8)12:34
|trey|especially when things just magically start working... it makes me smile  8)12:34
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|trey|hmm, wonder how popular this channel will get when Ubuntu is actually released  8-)12:35
Mais|AFKany ideas why i cant the apt-get to dl the lists form the universal list (includes unsupported pacakages)12:35
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|trey|170 people for a test release isn't bad at all  :)12:36
noda|trey|: lol, no kidding :)12:36
chutwigMais: that rather depends on what errors you're getting12:36
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mwh_I like ubuntu so much for being distributed on only one cd-image12:36
tvonIts gonna get huge12:36
|trey|Mais: apt-get update... and there isn't a "universe" for security...12:36
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chutwigyeah, some lists are missing12:36
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MaisI'm tryin to get the nvidia-glx pacakage12:37
calcanyone happen to know why when not using init=/bin/sh ubuntu wouldn't be able to find even /bin/sh12:37
|trey|mwh_: *shrug* I hate actual CD installers... netinst's are so much nicer... reinstalls are more current  :)12:37
=== calc thinks amd64 port wasn't tested at all or something equally bad
Maisbut it still doesn't find it after adding the commented out lines in sources.list12:37
|trey|calc: not everyone is as rich as you, and thus don't have an AMD64 box yet... stop making us jealous  :)12:38
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mdz(running Ubuntu quite happily)12:38
goatboy_calc: dunno, it's working fine for me.12:38
mwh_|trey|: if there is not then its great :)12:38
calcmdz: its acting very very odd12:38
WWSpeaking of xpdf... Does it have a full-screen mode?12:38
calcdmesg | less doesn't even work right12:38
Maismy 64bit works fine12:38
chutwigMais: you ran apt-get update, right?12:38
Maisdespite minor video setbacks12:38
Maischutwig - yea12:38
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Mais"Some index files failed to download..."12:39
|trey|mwh_: idgi12:39
=== |trey| wonders what "Regular pure64" is as apposed to AMD64?
mdz|trey|: the Debian amd64 port project12:39
|trey|Mais: SECURITY DOESN'T HAVE UNIVERSE, I just told you that... 12:40
LeeColletonhow do I enable apm on my thinkpad X30?12:40
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Mais|trey|: yes I heard you...12:40
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|trey|Mais: ok, then delete that word from the end of the security repo's and try again  :/12:41
Maisits not on the security lines12:41
mwh_argh gpdf just spits out a lot of bonobo assertion failures .. sigh12:41
|trey|Mais: then check spelling  :/12:41
Maisyea heh12:42
|trey|Mais: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe NEW LINE deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted is all mine contains...12:42
|trey|BAH @ HIM12:42
mwh_LeeColleton: bios could be a place to look12:42
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mdzLeeColleton: boot with acpi=off and modprobe apm12:43
nodaBecause I'm such a sucker for punishment, I'm tempted to try out X.org. Is there an easy way to try it on Ubuntu? :)12:43
srbakeranyone know the command in aptitude to tell it "delete everything that got installed to satisfy this package's dependencies" ?12:43
srbakeri installe dxfce4 with the xfce4 package, an di want to remove all of xfce now12:44
mdznoda: daniels has packages; they'll be going in soon after Warty releases12:44
nodaSweetness :)12:44
WW(Answering my own question: RTFM.  The xpdf man page shows the -fullscreen mode.)12:44
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mdzsrbaker: aptitude remove <package>12:44
=== |trey| doesn't like aptitude :/
|trey|just never got used to it though  :/12:45
srbakeroh, cool12:45
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srbakerkick ass!12:45
|trey|srbaker: the joys of making dependencies work for you  :/12:46
srbakeryeah, that's awesome12:46
cvdhi people, can anyone point me to some info about universe? I only installed the latest cd-iso and then replaced the line in sources with the one in the wiki...12:46
almostluckywhen I try to print, my printer promts me to load A4, yet my printer is configured (via the gnome gui) for Letter. Any ideas?12:46
srbakeri just wanted to try xfce4, that was beautiful12:46
cvdbut i hear universe has more packages?12:46
srbakerso aptitude remove <package> removes a package and everything that it depends on that isn't depended on by any other package, right?12:46
nodaalmostlucky: I noticed that there are *two* drop-downs for paper size in the GNOME UI. Have you changed both?12:46
|trey|almostlucky: dpkg-reconfigure docbook I think...12:46
noda(one under 'Paper', one under 'Advanced' I think)12:46
almostluckynoda, yes12:46
almostlucky|trey|, I'll try that12:47
|trey|almostlucky: no, not that... 12:47
nodaOkay, well, instead of trying X.org I'll install binary ATI drivers for my laptop :)12:47
|trey|umm... damnit, I don't recall what package configures system paper size  :(12:47
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|trey|noda: ATI is apparently set to really push their drivers on Linux  :)12:48
noda|trey|: Yeah, but they've been saying that for ages :/12:48
nodaATI's drivers suck on *Windows*, why would they be any better on Linux :)12:48
|trey|noda: oh... well I just read an article about it on linux.org  :/12:48
almostlucky|trey|, It is dpkg-reconfigure libpaper112:48
almostluckyfor future ref.12:48
|trey|almostlucky: k, thanks  :)12:48
nodaI hate binary-only drivers, too :(12:48
|trey|almostlucky: its a dep for something else... thats why I wasn't sure  :)12:49
nodaActually, I should just be content with the drivers I already have. They do everything I want. Why do I want to break my laptop... :)12:49
=== |trey| likes drivers that work... companies releasing drivers as open source appears to be the most successful route for this...
|trey|noda: cuz breaking things (and thusly fixing it) is fun  :)12:50
nodaI guess. I used to do that all the time :)12:50
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nodaNow I'm just procrastinating. Not only do I have to code in Java, but I have to develop a GUI using netbeans. How painful!12:50
|trey|noda: gets kinda boring when you break something on purpose though  :(12:50
|trey|cuz then you know what you did  :(12:50
noda|trey|: lol12:50
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linux_mafiadefendguin, what was your card again, just doing the wiki12:52
defendguinLinksys WPC11 ver 412:53
defendguinmake sure to include the info on the editing the resolv.conf12:54
defendguinnow im gonna have to set a WEP key and screw up my working setup :(12:56
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sriyay, I got everything working12:57
soumohanyone here who uses eclipse as ide?12:58
soumohjava ide that is12:58
soumohhave trouble making eclipse 3 to work under ubuntu12:58
linux_mafiadefendguin, please look at http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/HardwareSupport?action=show at the bottom12:59
defendguinwow they had 100 updates on apt. how long has ubuntu been up?12:59
linux_mafiadefendguin, it look ok? clear enough01:00
defendguinvery nice01:00
calci'm pretty sure the problem i am having is that CONFIG_PCI_MSI is enabled01:01
calcand there is no way to disable it at boot time afaict01:01
defendguinnow i have to figure out how to get graphic acceleration if it is possible01:01
defendguini dont think i have a chance01:02
nodadefendguin: There's a howto on the wiki, looks easy01:03
cardadordefendguin: yes, look at the howto01:03
linux_mafiadefendguin, sweet01:04
defendguinnot for my card01:04
linux_mafiayay, my first little contribution back to ubuntu, i feel all warm and fuzzy, heh01:05
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srielmaya: oh man, hte reason the splash screen is hanging is because your audio doesn't work (eg esd..sheesh)01:07
elmayasri,  i know01:07
defendguinwow the next release is gonna have 11 test releases?01:08
defendguinwhoops 1201:08
nodaWhat's with the "Array" everywhere?01:10
nodaBuggy PHP?01:10
mdznoda: no01:10
mdzArray : Hoary :: Sounder : Warty01:10
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nodaAh :)01:11
nodaWhat do those mean? :)01:11
mdzFAQ :-)01:11
srielmaya: I only found out now now that sound work s:)01:11
soumohif i add something to my .bash_profile do i have to restart for the changes to take effect?01:12
JanneMyou can run "source .bash_profile"01:13
soumohsource: command not found01:13
JanneMthat is a built-in command in bash01:14
soumohmohammed@proust ~ $ sudo source .bash_profile01:14
soumohsudo: source: command not found01:14
JanneMno sudo01:14
soumohthat worked thanks a lot01:14
soumohJanneM, got experience with eclipse (IDE)? can't make it work :-(01:15
JanneMnever tried it01:15
soumohi've tried mandrake and fedora...works nice on those distros01:16
soumohseems to be a ubuntu bug really01:16
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HcEsoumoh: your nick look very familiar ;)01:19
HcEand the problem too01:19
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soumohHcE - i was here about two hours ago01:21
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HcEI've been busy making my GPU hot ;)01:22
gangaswhen i apt-get epiphany, it says "bonobo couldnt locate the GNOME_EPIPHANY_Automation.server file"01:22
gangaswhat should i do next01:22
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defendguinhmmmm im not used to debian apt and im using synaptic i am trying to update about 150 packages on ubuntu and ive had this massage displayed for a while now 01:23
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defendguinExtracting templates from packages: 100%01:24
defendguinPreconfiguring packages ...01:24
soumohHcE - when you instead should helped me..hehe..jk!01:24
soumohshould be helping me that is01:24
HcEwas busy fraging in ET01:24
soumohthat's OK01:25
HcEjust checking that my nvidia driver "was working" ;)01:25
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soumohHcE, what kind of gfx do you have?01:26
soumohold :-)01:27
HcEmy fastest ;)01:27
defendguinim being very paitent but i dont see any harddrive activity01:27
HcEsoumoh: i also have a matrox G200, a matrox G400MAX and a fireGL 9000 in my laptop01:28
mdzdefendguin: that phase should not take very long at all01:28
soumohi remember G20001:28
soumohthat was a great 2D card for looping towards 3dfx voodoo cards01:29
defendguinmdz, even for 150 packages?01:29
mdzdefendguin: even for 500 packages01:29
mdz(which is approximately what it installs by default)01:29
mdzdefendguin: which packages did you install?01:30
defendguini was just updating01:30
soumohif anyone here who runs eclipse 3 under ubuntu tell me01:31
Se7hremind me01:31
Se7hwhere is sources.list ?01:31
mdzdefendguin: look in the System Monitor, View: All Processes, and look for dpkg-preconfigure01:31
mdzSe7h: /etc/apt/sources.list01:31
defendguinmdz, i cant recall all the package names01:31
soumohhow can i make my pc-speaker to shut up? without using force01:33
HcEsoumoh: xset b 001:33
defendguin 7000 pts/0    S+     0:00 /bin/sh -c /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true01:33
HcEsoumoh: put it in your .xsession01:33
defendguinmdz, i grepped for it01:33
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soumohthat worked01:34
Se7hcan someone tell me what is the syntax for the sources.list ?01:34
Se7hi want to add ftp://ftp.telepac.pt/pub/debian/ to it01:34
soumohHcE, hate to tell you..but i'm a unix newbie..where is .xession located?01:34
defendguin7001 pts/0    S+     0:06 /usr/bin/perl -w /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt01:35
mdzdefendguin: the important bit is the children of that process01:35
mdzps axf01:35
HcEsoumoh: $HOME/.xsession01:35
soumohHcE,  bah...:-)01:36
HcEsoumoh: I use it when I log into X01:36
HcEit fires up openbox for me01:36
Se7hanyone ?01:36
defendguinmdz, i dont see any children01:36
tsengi start openbox via gnome-session01:36
cardadorSe7h: i wouldnt do that01:36
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Se7hy ?01:36
cardadorSe7h: dont mix regular debian sources with ubuntu01:37
defendguini guess 7001 is a child of 7000 though01:37
soumohHcE, don't have a file called that...just .xession-errors01:37
HcEsoumoh: that's because you're running Gnome, I bet there are som config in Gnome to shut up the speaker01:37
cardadorSe7h: but if you want to, you can just use synaptic to do ti01:37
mdzdefendguin: strace -p 700101:37
Se7hi would like to01:38
cardadorSe7h: click on settings, repositories, new01:38
Se7hbut if it has problems with it01:38
Se7hbetter not01:38
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defendguinmdz, Process 7001 attached - interrupt to quit01:39
HcEsoumoh: I bet you have to go into some GUI and shut of the PC speaker01:39
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jeedeeanyone experienced a problem with grub+amd64 iso?01:49
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jonohi all01:50
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mdzjeedee: no01:52
defendguinmdz, got the email?01:52
mdzdefendguin: no01:53
jonomdz, thanks for the answer btw, gonna write them up now01:53
mdzjono: great, will you make your deadline? ;-)01:53
defendguinmdz, it hasnt bounced back to me01:53
mdzjono: let me know if you need clarification on anything; I'll be checking back from time to time01:54
defendguinmdz, ok i sent it again. im going to kill aptitude for the moment01:57
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jonomdz, cheers, I should make it - hopefully :D01:58
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defendguinapt seems to work when i tried to install a few packages02:00
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calcnow i see why people hate bugzilla, i have always used it with heavily modified versions i guess02:07
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jonomdz, you still there?02:08
|trey|calc: you working for ubuntu also? if so, what you working on?02:08
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calc|trey|: no but i was going to report a bug, but it seems to be a pita to do it02:09
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calci currently can't even install ubuntu on my system since the kernel is messed up02:09
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|trey|calc: :(  what are you having difficulty with (with bugzilla)02:11
|trey|(can't help much in relation to amd64  :/ )02:11
calcwhen you file a bug it doesn't tell you what to type for item02:11
calcand has no way to search for items to file against02:12
calcat least afaict02:12
|trey|calc: search for bug is not helpful?02:12
defendguinanyone used an ipod with ubuntu yet?02:12
calckde's bugzilla has an entire frontend to work around that problem i guess02:12
vasiare the mailing lists searchable anywhere? i'd like to find out if anybody else has had a problem i'm seeing02:12
defendguinmdz, got the email?02:13
maswancalc: file a bug against bugzilla saying that you can't figure out how to file bugs properly?02:13
calc|trey|: i suppose you can look in the search component list and then copy it into the new bug report page02:13
calcbut its a pita :)02:13
calcmaswan: i thought i knew how, i didn't realize stock bugzilla was so shitty02:14
|trey|calc: dunno what pita means  :(  its a new project... someone prolly just threw it up for now just to make bug reports possible  ;)02:14
calcpita = pain in the ass02:14
|trey|I coulda figured that out  :/02:14
|trey|calc: I dunno, I've used stock bugzilla before... never KDE's though, maybe you are just used to their tweaks  :)02:15
maswancalc: Well, I'm happily filtered by the debian BTS to upstreams bugzillas. One of the reasons I usually only file bugs against the debian packages, even if I find a bug in pristine code on a totally different platform.02:15
calc|trey|: yea their's brings up a list of components to file bugs against02:15
|trey|calc: surely you can make pretty good guesses (sounds like "kernel" would be pretty close to what you are wanting..)02:16
|trey|its a pain, but yeah, maybe recommend to someone that they should fix it after Warty  :)02:16
maswancalc: I _think_ I managed to file a bug fairly right in the gnome bugzilla, with help from the maintainers to say what to write where and so on. :)02:17
calcbugzilla is dead02:17
|trey|maswan: calc is hopefully a little more skilled then you... sole kde maintainer for a while  ;)02:18
calci submitted the bug and it spit out a email this page to dave page back02:18
maswan|trey|: yes02:18
|trey|calc: maybe your prayers got answered faster then you might have thought  :)02:18
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calcit appears sendmail is missing on the box02:18
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|trey|calc: you mean /sbin/sendmail  ;)  postfix is what is prolly used  :)02:19
justdavewhat's it doing?02:19
|trey|maswan: good plan  :)02:19
calc|trey|: it just says "Can't open sendmail";"02:19
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lamontcalc: as root: newaliases02:19
calcalong with some other stuff i don't think would be good to paste it all here02:19
justdaveok, lamont's idea doesn't work.02:20
justdaveor I have the syntax wrong or something02:20
calcjustdave: undef error - syntax error at Bugzilla/BugMail.pm line 871, near ""Can't open sendmail";" Compilation failed in require at Bugzilla/Template.pm line 376. 02:20
lamontjustdave: what exactly did you tell it to do?02:20
justdave        open(SENDMAIL, "|/usr/lib/sendmail $sendmailparam -t -i -f bugzilla-daemon\@bugzilla.ubuntu.com" ||02:20
lamontit's /usr/sbin/sendmail, for starters...02:20
justdaveyou said to add the From address with -f to get it to use that for the envelope sender02:20
|trey|That looks complicated  :o02:21
lamontalthough we deliver a symlink02:21
justdaveit's been using /usr/lib since we installed it eons ago and it's worked :)02:21
lamont       f sender02:21
lamont              Set the envelope sender  address.  This  is  the  address  where02:21
lamont              delivery  problems  are  sent to, unless the message contains an02:21
lamont              ErrorsTo: message header.02:21
lamontwhat's in $sendmailparam?02:22
justdaveempty string02:22
justdaveit can be -ODeliverMode=Deferred, but that's disabled because it's sendmail specific and we're using postfix :)02:22
lamontjustdave:  I just sent you mail with: /usr/lib/sendmail -t -i -f bugzilla-daemon@bugzilla.ubuntu.com02:23
justdavecalc: try it again see if the error message changed02:23
justdave(it'll probably still error, but might give a more useful error now)02:23
lamontprobably need to have \ in front of the @02:23
lamontsince perl != sh02:24
justdaveor maybe not...02:24
justdavethere is a \ in front of the @ :)02:24
lamontthe mail I sent was from a terminal in bash...02:24
calcjustdave: undef error - syntax error at Bugzilla/BugMail.pm line 871, near ""Can't open sendmail: $@ $!";" Compilation failed in require at Bugzilla/Template.pm line 376. 02:25
lamontjustdave: did you get the mail I sent you?02:25
justdaveyeah, the $@ was supposed to expand to the returned error02:25
justdavelamont: yep02:25
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lamontwonder if it's bitching about the $sendmailparam?02:26
lamontthe other alternative is to have the admins add a sender_canonical map to map whatever it shows up as into what it needs to be..02:27
lamontbut -f should do it just fine...02:27
justdaveok, got it.02:27
bob2|trey|: pong?02:27
justdaveI accidently nuked a paren when I added the -f02:27
justdavemy stupid terminal had the wrong code for the backspace key :)02:27
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justdaveyep, works now02:29
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justdaveso much for a supposedly transparent change :)02:32
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jeedeeAnyone experienced a grub problem after the first stage of the install (upon reboot, grub freeze at loading stage ...)02:33
calccool filed my first ubuntu bug :)02:33
jeedeeOr maybe someone can direct me to installing lilo from the ubuntu install02:35
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LinuxJonesI am getting errors when I try to run an application (that requires root privliges) like Synaptic from the Gnome menu :(02:38
justdaveLinuxJones: is it prompting you for your password?02:39
LinuxJonesjustdave, yes it is but it crashes about 3 seconds after I enter the password02:39
wu_minghi, i got dual boot with xp. i ran apt-get and upgraded everything including kernel and image, now menu.1st is different, cant boot into window, how can i run the auto grub thing to set up xp02:39
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LinuxJonesjustdave, the error comes up failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root: Child terminated with status 102:40
justdaveah, are you entering your own password?02:41
justdaveit's sudo, not su02:41
LinuxJonesjustdave, no root passwd02:41
LinuxJonesjustdave, lemme check02:41
justdaveit won't work with the root password, it's using sudo, so it needs yours.02:41
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LinuxJonesjustdave, ya that works great02:41
LinuxJonesjustdave, old habits are hard to break :D02:42
stratkinganyone know a way to change the availabe resolutions, i have a dell laptop and ubuntu defaults to 640x480 and i can't change it under "screen resolution"02:47
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jeedeeIF anyone has a clue on how to install lilo from ubuntu let me know02:48
minghuastratking: it seems you don't have the correct video card driver02:48
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stratkingthats what i thought but it picked up my nvidia gforce 2 go card correctly02:48
stratkingive had this problem w/ other distros before, where i have to specify my monitor size, but i can't find a spot to do that here02:49
bob2sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 02:49
minghuajeedee: i am not familiar with ubuntu, but you can try cancel during the install, and change the debconf question priority02:49
bob2and mention this on ubuntu-users so it can be fixed02:49
bob2jeedee: you just install it from universe...02:49
stratkingbob2: is that for me?02:50
jeedeeI can get past the first stage of the install bob202:50
bob2stratking: yes.02:50
minghuabob2: so ubuntu don't have lilo on install disk?02:50
bob2jeedee: which means? error messages?02:50
bob2minghua: indeed, grub is the default boot loader.02:50
jeedeeWell with the amd64 iso everything is fine in the install, but when I reboot grub hangs at Loading stage ... without any error, it just stay there. With the i386 iso, it wont mount my install cd (which is odd since im in the installer from this very cd)02:51
minghuabob2: hmm, i know that.  d-i has grub as default too, but it also has lilo which can be chosen in expert mode02:51
bob2jeedee: ask on ubuntu-users02:51
Se7hhow do i see the uptime?02:52
bob2minghua: is it a big deal to install lilo after install?02:52
bob2stratking: "uptime".02:52
minghuabob2: no, but XFS don't work with grub afaik02:52
jeedeebob2: yes if grub wont work02:52
minghuabob2: and I heard about lvm problem too02:52
bob2oh, ok.  I'd defintely ask on -users then.02:53
calcits fairly simple to make xfs work with grub if it doesn't work for you by default02:53
minghuajeedee: linux volume management02:53
jeedeehow would you fix the lvm problems? It might be my case (but I have no knowledge about lvm)02:53
calcjust go into tty2 and chroot /target and run grub then root (hdX,Y), find /boot/grub/stage1, setup (hd0)02:54
jeedeeI wonder what causes grub to freeze at loading stage tho02:54
jeedeeI wish It gave me errors at least02:55
minghuacalc: I am not complaining (I don't use xfs after all).  but I think d-i fall back to lilo automatically if it detects xfs02:55
minghuacalc: which is good02:55
minghuajeedee: how did you choose when partition your disk?02:55
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jeedeeI got two ntfs partitions of 10 and 60gb and 20gb (end of disk) for ubuntu, grub in mbr02:55
minghuacalc: and what I am really surprised is that ubuntu differs so much from d-i02:55
minghuacalc: if it doesn't has lilo on install disk02:56
rahgaHello... Looking at a bug report from an Ubuntu user, I'm wondering if GNOME Ataxx (from gnome-games) crashes for any of you.02:56
minghuajeedee: do you mean you have four partitions total?02:57
jeedeeyes, couting ext3 and swap02:57
calci use xfs so i have to always manually install it, not sure why grub-install is still buggy02:57
minghuajeedee: hmm, i am confused, but it seems you don't use lvm02:58
jeedeeI don't know much on lvm besides it's meaning02:58
jeedeeWish you had a quick explanation for me :)02:58
minghuajeedee: when you said 60gb and 20gb, they are not ntfs partitions but the empty partitions for ubuntu, right?02:58
minghuacalc: grub-installer has lots of old bug not fixed, including one reported by me :-(02:59
jeedeeI got a 80gb disk which I splitted in 10gb ( C: ) 50gb (d:) and 20gb of freespace for ubuntu02:59
mdzjono: back03:00
minghuajeedee: sure.  lvm manages the hard drives on your machine as a whole, and you can then get partitions from lvm03:00
minghuajeedee: about your partition, now i understand.  So you let installer auto partition for you, right?03:01
mdzdefendguin: yes, finally arrived03:01
LinuxJonesnight all03:01
minghuajeedee: the good thing is you can easily resize partition in lvm03:01
jeedeethe 20gb yes, I tried auto partition and doing it myself03:01
mdzdefendguin: ok, so it's the hardware detection for xfree86 which is hanging03:01
mdzdefendguin: please file a bug against discover103:01
minghuajeedee: or partitions across hard drives03:02
minghuajeedee: then I am pretty sure you don't use lvm03:02
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minghuajeedee: must be problem somewhere else03:02
jeedeeI got a pretty standard setup03:02
jeedeeide drive, with sata and promise controllers disabled in bios and amd64 computer03:03
jeedeeWhen I clear my mbr to get rid of the buggy grub I get an ntldr missing error03:04
jeedeevery odd03:04
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chutwigwell, NTLDR also resides in the MBR03:08
chutwigso if it's been replaced by grub or cleared it's not going to be there03:08
jeedeetrue, forgot about this03:08
jeedeeanyways I need to get ubuntu to work03:09
jeedeeI had different problems on different cds (i386 and amd64)03:09
Slackeerbhey guys im haveing trouble installing java. (i just reinstalled ubuntu)03:09
jeedeeOn my friend laptop, amd64 iso caused a load of drivers problems ect and the i386 worked fine, there's really something going on :P That's why im trying i386 on my amd6403:09
mdzcalc: a single bug report would have been sufficient03:11
Se7hcan a make a symlink for java from /usr/local/java to /home?03:11
Slackeerbcan anyone help me with java? =). anyone ta all.03:14
Se7hSlackeerb just installed that minutes ago03:14
Slackeerbcare 2 help03:15
minghuaSlackeerb: If you have a little command line knowledge, this faq is very useful: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ch11.html#s11.203:15
minghuaall my debian systems had java installed using these procedures03:16
minghuait's a little too hard to follow for beginners though03:16
Slackeerbminghua: thx ill give it a shot03:16
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jeedeeWhat is the easiest way to install a bootloader from windows or a bootcd?03:18
jeedeeforget the windows part, im tired03:18
jeedeedoes knoppix comes with a grub install tool03:18
jeedeeSince the grub from the ubuntu cd wont work03:18
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jeedeeAnyways thanks for the help im going to try some stuff on my own03:25
dommianyone have luck with the tdk velocd firewire cdrw?03:25
minghuagood night everyone03:30
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defendguinhmmm i cant seem to setup a networked printer. i set up a cups sharing printer on another box but i cant seem to connect to it here03:58
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stratkinganyone ever have the problem where they cant click by tapping their mouse pad, only by clicking the mouse buttons on a laptop04:05
linux_mafiais there a way i can check which packages have been updated in warty since its release04:06
defendguinlinux_mafia your talking about available on apt?04:06
linux_mafiadefendguin, yeah04:07
defendguinuse synaptic04:07
mdzstratking: it sounds like you have a synaptics touchpad but it hasn't been detected correctly.  Check /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and look for "synaptics"04:07
defendguinrefresh and they are able to list just the updateable packages04:08
jsubl2defendguin, the cupsd.conf file i used on my printer sharing box is here -> http://daffit.meownz.info/html/cups-samba/node10.html04:08
mdzstratking: there was a bug (#1289) where the config file was written with Driver "synaptic" when it should have been Driver "synaptics"04:08
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stratkingok yeah, i see the section for synaptic04:09
stratkingand the driver is just labeled as "synaptic"04:09
stratkingdo i just need to change it to "synaptics"04:10
linux_mafiadefendguin, nah its for a friend with no net connection, and hes on x86_64 and i'm on x8604:10
defendguinoh ok04:12
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linux_mafiaso any ideas anyone, is there a release/change log?04:13
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rahgaHello... just bug hunting, can anyone tell me if running "gataxx" (GNOME Ataxx, from the gnome-games package) crashes on startup in Ubuntu?04:13
stratkingmdz: i tried changing the driver name, logged out, but still the same problem04:13
defendguindo they send out an email to a list everytime they update a package?04:14
linux_mafiadefendguin, dunno04:14
mdzstratking: you'll need to restart the X server (/etc/init.d/gdm restart, or reboot the system)04:14
Kosairahga: It does not crash here.04:15
mdzstratking: in order for it to take effect04:15
WWjsubl2: I hope you don't mind that I also took a look at cupsd.conf link.  Is that the file for the computer to which the printer is attached?04:15
mdzlinux_mafia: which packages have been updated since when?  the preview?04:16
rahgaKosai: Thanks... I'd ask if you were using gataxx 2.8.0, but with ubuntu, I'm pretty sure there's no choice. :)04:16
WWjsubl2: If so, does anything special go into cupsd.conf for a remote computer to use that printer?04:16
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punkassanyone wanna tryout a wifi scanner/detector?04:17
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mdzlinux_mafia: you can find an incomplete log of updated packages here: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/warty-changes/2004-September/date.html04:18
punkassits just a little app i made for connecting wifi04:18
stratkingmdz: that was it, thanks a lot04:19
tsengmdz: if you manage to get mythtv in, im going to move my pvr box to ubuntu04:19
tsengexciting :)04:19
mdzI'm going to move mine04:19
mdzI've been stalling because it's running 2.4.x with lirc, which will be a pain to upgrade04:20
tsenghm i still need to order an ir blaster to control my dish network reciver04:20
mdzI'll send out an announcement to the mythtv lists when everything is in place04:20
theantixpunkass, if you're interested I built netapplet for Ubuntu http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/001877.html04:22
linux_mafiamdz, yeah thats what i wanted, updates since release of preview, i'll look at that link, thanks04:22
defendguinmdz, did you ever get my email?04:22
punkasstheantix: so did i :)04:22
mdzdefendguin: yes04:23
mdz<mdz> defendguin: ok, so it's the hardware detection for xfree86 which is hanging04:23
mdz<mdz> defendguin: please file a bug against discover104:23
punkasstheantix: sorry i didnt build netapplet04:24
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punkasstheantix: i made my own little app04:24
mdzdefendguin: attach the ps listing to the bug report and explain what you saw04:24
defendguinok one more bugzilla account04:25
defendguinmdz, i also noticed a hang when installing the cups updates04:26
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defendguinive been installing things a few packages at a time04:26
punkasstheantix: how do i add it to my panel?04:29
diemanim like building half of java here tonight04:31
diemanit seems04:31
diemanthe circular dependencies are suckage.04:33
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defendguinno gtweakui package in apt :((04:36
defendguinor guifications04:36
Mais"Failed to fetch http://archive.ubntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/source/Sources.gz Sub-process gzip returned an erorr code (1)04:38
WWMais: ubntu?04:39
axe9dotcomI need help with sound drivers04:39
Maisits right in my Sources.list04:39
axe9dotcomsound doesn't work at ALL04:40
axe9dotcomI have all the right moduals (according to lsmod)04:41
axe9dotcombut sound is still borked04:41
theantixpunkass, just run "netapplet" from a terminal04:41
punkasstheantix: yeah i just realized it was there...its just empty...unless all networks are disconnected the i get an red X04:42
axe9dotcomhaha, I thought you were talking to me for a second04:42
punkassdid u check alsamixer?04:42
punkassmake sure volumes are up and not muted04:42
axe9dotcomsitll not working04:43
punkasstheantix: i like that it can switch to eth0..i think ill add that to mine04:44
axe9dotcomAny ideas?04:45
MaisWW: do you have any suggestions?04:45
punkassdoes stuff play..but just no sound?04:45
punkasswierd..cuz most of the time it is a muted channel in alsamixer...im not really sure04:46
WWMais: Sorry, I'm no expert.  Keep nudging the folks who have more clues than I do.04:47
MaisI can open Sources.gz fine in a browser =|04:47
punkassyes run alsamixer in a terminal04:47
axe9dotcomhow do I run it ^^'04:48
punkassopen a terminal04:49
punkassand type:  alsamixer04:49
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MaisWW: k04:49
punkassthen use your arrow keys to raise the volumes04:50
punkassand make sure there is no MM at the top of Master or PCM 04:50
axe9dotcomand there it is ^^04:51
axe9dotcomthere IS MM at the top of the mastermono thing04:51
punkassare all volumes up?04:52
punkassjust go to the muted channel and hit m to unmute04:52
punkassi have mine around 74<>7404:53
diemani think im going to go away for a while, fired up a compile of openmotif04:53
dieman... wonder how long it will take04:54
jsubl2ww that is the file i used on my ubuntu box that has the printer being shared.04:55
jdubmorning all04:55
jdubdo we have any french, german or spanish speakers in the house?04:55
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WWjdub: Not me, but you could check #ubuntu-es04:56
Agrajagnon, nein, no04:56
jdubAgrajag: haw haw. hmm.04:57
MaisWW, i noticed your edit in the Binary display faqs04:57
Maiswere you able to obtain the nvidia-glx package without any searchin04:57
WWMais: Yes, it is part of Ubuntu.04:58
Maishmm how odd04:58
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WWMais: `sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx` doesn't work?05:02
WWMais: Do you have "universe" added to your repositories?05:02
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MaisPackge nvidia-glx is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has een obsoleted, or is only available from another source05:03
punkassMais: are u 64-bit?05:03
MaisI uncommented the universe line in Sources.list 05:03
punkassmy buddy is on a 64bit and had the same problem05:03
WWjsubl2: Thanks (a bit delayed...)05:03
Maishas he worked past it?05:04
punkassfabbione is working on a 64bit nvidia driver05:04
Mais ah ok so it's still in the works05:04
punkassumm not sure..i can point you to some 64bit optomized nv drivers if u like05:04
jdubnvidia-glx is in restricted, not universe05:04
WWjdub: oops, my bad.05:05
diemangood, i'll need that 64bit nvidia driver within the month ;)05:05
diemanwe may or may not make these em64t machines amd64 platfor05:05
jsubl2WW hope it helps.  I had trouble getting my going too.  only had to modify that one a little to get the printer going05:05
diemannot worth it if they aren't going to have gobs of ram05:06
Mais  punkass: yea sure :)05:06
WWjsubl2: Anything special in client computers' cupsd.conf?  They also need to set Browsing on and set a BrowseAddress, right?05:07
punkassMais: http://people.no-name-yet.com/~fabbione/nv/amd64/05:08
WWjsubl2: Wait.. I think Browsing is on by default.  So just set the BrowseAddress... ?05:08
MaisThanks :)05:08
MaisLinks dead ;)05:09
WWMais: If you are bored, maybe you could add a note to the wiki about amd64 not being available :-)05:09
Maisdid :)05:09
jsubl2WW, i did not touch anything on the client side.  put the target host ip in my /etc/hosts file is all.  the uri i used is ipp://targetHOST/printers/printername05:09
punkassmaybe fabboine took it down05:09
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MaisIt's a very small ntoe at the bottom, but it should suffice till a remedy is better known05:10
punkassyou see this one: http://people.no-name-yet.com/~fabbione/xserver-xfree86_4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu21_amd64.deb05:11
punkassnot sure if that will help05:11
jsubl2WW, ok that is ipp://targethost:631/printers/printername rather05:12
WWjsubl2: Thanks again.  A few more clues to experiment with...05:12
Maisheh i never thought on-board video would ever do me any good again05:13
Maisoh well haha05:13
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defendguinhmmmm very odd i tried switching from the ubuntu icon and gtk theme and it seems as though im stuck05:17
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diemanlamont: how goes?05:18
lamonthave I mentioned recently how much I hate not being able to type in my ssh passphrase before all the )*&%)&_%{ windows come up?05:18
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veaugerhey all05:19
lamontand it would be nice if metacity would be so kind as to remember what *&%)*^_ workspace the window was in, instead of dumping them all on workspace 105:19
diemanlamont: i spent the last hour and a half mucking with java deps, now im working on mplayer and friends.05:19
lamontnow I get to go help my wife figure out why evo is crashing when she prints a schedule she's spent the last 2+ hours composing.,05:20
diemango evo!05:20
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veaugerdieman, isnt there an apt repository with that stuff in it that you can use?05:20
diemanwell, sort of05:20
diemanits not compiled aginst ubuntu...05:20
veaugerwell, I'll try it for you if you want05:21
veaugerif it screws me up, you'll know not to use it :] 05:21
diemandono if i can hand it out05:21
diemanneed to read over what the issues are05:21
diemanssince im in the usa there might be patent issues with some of it05:21
diemanim not sure, offhand05:21
diemani try not to think05:21
veaugerdo you know if debian's repositories work?05:22
diemanwht do you mean?05:22
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veaugerthe packages in like non-free for example05:23
diemanyou might run into odd issues, but if the deps match they should work most of the time05:23
Mais-ok newbie question: how do I install a .deb wihtout using an apt-get archive05:26
veaugerdpkg -i05:26
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jdubMais-: download it, run dpkg -i <debfile>05:26
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lamonthrm.. so now why is it that when I press the hotsync button, /dev/ttyUSB[01]  don't show up???05:31
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tvonHas anyone built dbus CVS?05:33
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Mais-The xserve package pdate didnt work05:36
Mais-it appears to be the same one that came with the 64-bit ubuntu05:36
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punkasswait till fabbione is around..he might be able to point you to those files05:38
Mais-thanks for all your help05:40
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yojimbo-sanDoes anyone else have a non-responsive 'right-click key' on their PC keyboard? Mine doesn't do anything ...05:43
veaugermine does what it supposed to do and works instantly *shrugs*05:45
Maisyojimbo-san, did you remap your keys on install?05:46
MaisThat's all i can think of05:46
yojimbo-sanno, I just chose whatever the default was ...05:46
veaugerMais, just a note: I didnt have to do any mapping, it just worked05:47
Maisveauger, yea thats what i mean05:47
Maisveauger, if he remapped it it may have changed05:47
veaugerah :)05:47
yojimbo-sanpc104 has been selected ...05:47
veaugerwho was messing with mplayer?05:47
Maisafk for a while05:47
yojimbo-santhat's the one with the logo keys, isn't it?05:47
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veaugerI just hooked up to a repository and it worked fine05:48
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yojimbo-sanOK, my right-click key only seems to be non-functional in Evolution, so I can do a little more testing ... :-)05:54
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pondsis `cat /dev/lp0` supposed to return an I/O error if nothing is plugged in to lp0? im trying to debug my snes controller, and cant get it to respond at all06:02
Agrajaglp on fire06:03
AgrajagI would imaging it would simply do a blocking read06:04
Agrajager, imagine06:04
Agrajagso no, no errors, just no output06:04
yojimbo-sanWell, I get an i/o error, and I have nothing connected.06:07
pondsok, thanks guys06:07
pondsnot really sure where to head on this06:07
Agrajaghm yeah06:08
AgrajagI dunno, I can't even get fceu working right yet06:09
Agrajagand zsnes won't build06:09
Agrajagso I haven't messed with controllers yet06:09
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fabbionemorning guys06:44
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joemmornin fabbione06:46
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defendguinsame problem with the preffered applications app06:49
defendguinwhoops wrong channel06:49
plovswhat packages do I have to install to build stuff like the kernel? (gcc, what version) etc?06:49
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crimsunplovs: apt-get install build-essential kernel-package07:01
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wu_minghi, how do i create icons 'home' 'disk' and shown on desktop?07:23
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goatboy_wu_ming: open gconf-editor, go to /apps/nautilus/desktop and check computer_icon_visible and home_icon_visible07:27
jdubbut don't do it now07:27
jdubuse it for a while without07:27
hornbeckits so nice not having anything on the desktop07:28
wu_mingnot really07:28
hornbeckdon't really know why, but it is07:28
wu_mingits quicker07:28
hornbeckI use launchers from the panel07:28
hornbeckthat way I don't have to close anything07:28
jdubwu_ming: when you've got windows all over yuour desktop, the computer menu is quicker :)07:29
punkassmy desktop always gets plauged with icons...07:29
punkassfirefox...save to Desktop 07:29
hornbeckI always save things to home07:29
crimsunI have a cluttered ~/Desktop/Downloads07:30
hornbeckI sort my stuff to much07:30
punkassis there something i can do, when i go to 'Networks' it just sits there with the spinning icon07:30
crimsunpunkass: well, you can do anything...07:31
punkasslol 07:31
punkass"you can do anything at zombo.com"07:31
punkasshaha that site is still there07:31
punkassif u wanna see one of the most useless/yet funny sites: http://zombo.com/07:32
punkassis there anyway for dmix to take effect without restarting07:33
punkassi put in a .asoundrc file, but i havent had to reboot yet :)07:34
crimsundmix takes effective immediately for the next application that uses alsa-lib07:34
punkasshmm wierd07:34
punkasscuz i have used the same file before and it worked fine..but i am only getting one sound at a time still07:34
crimsunare you using an explicit dmix target?07:35
crimsunor are you using a pcm.!default {} redefinition?07:35
punkassdunno...i found a asoundrc file that worked and ive just reused that one since07:35
punkassthrew it in #flood07:37
crimsuni saw.07:37
punkassyeah like i say, that one has always worked07:37
crimsunwhich applications are you using to test dmix?07:37
punkassfirefox vs rhythmbox vs gaim07:38
crimsundefaulty rhythmbox? is libxine set to use alsa or oss?07:39
crimsunman, i can't type this morning07:39
punkasswhoa:  aplay /usr/share/apps/korganizer/sounds/alert.wav07:39
punkassaplay: main:502: audio open error: Permission denied07:39
punkassryan is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.07:41
punkassoh lol07:41
punkassi am ssh'd into the office server07:41
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punkasscrimson: how do i find out what its set to?07:43
crimsunpunkass: what "what" is set to?07:43
punkassi just did a aplay command and it hung until i close rhythmbox07:43
wu_minghow do i make harddrives automounted via /etc/fstab at boot not to show up on desktop?07:44
punkassuncheck volumes_visible 07:45
punkassin GConf editior07:45
punkassits right under computer_icon_visible07:45
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crimsunpunkass: hmm, i was actually thinking about muine, which uses libxine by default (~/.gnome2/muine/xine-config)07:46
crimsunpunkass: i suppose rhythmbox uses gstreamer by default07:46
punkassyeah probably07:46
crimsunpunkass: run gstreamer-properties and look at the setting for output sink07:46
punkassahh OSS07:47
punkasscrimson: worked like a charm thanks07:48
crimsunnp :)07:48
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punkassno just to get firefox to play nice07:48
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punkassis there any reason i should set Default Source > Input   to ALSA07:49
punkassnm..doesnt work anyways07:50
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punkassman i sure like this gnome 2.807:57
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Smeve1anyone around?07:59
punkassthere all hiding...07:59
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Smeve1i am trying to setup a raid on the ubuntu install07:59
Smeve1but it says that raid on / is not usable by ubuntu08:00
Smeve1is there any way around this?08:00
punkasssorry..i dont know much/anything about raid08:03
Smeve1i really didnt want to have to reinstall gentoo :)08:04
punkasslol i bet you dont08:04
Smeve1but i guess i have no choice08:04
punkasswell dont give up to quick08:04
Smeve1even on my dual i dont like to wait for it to install08:04
punkasssome one here may know...08:04
Smeve1i did just upgrade the machine about an hour ago, so it should be a little faster08:04
punkassi did it a gentoo install once, and that was enough for me08:05
Smeve1it takes a couple hous08:05
crimsuni really like gentoo08:05
Smeve1me too08:05
crimsunon others' computers, that is.08:05
Smeve1just dont wanna install it08:05
crimsunnot mine.08:05
Smeve1i just added a 512mb mem chip08:05
Smeve1and a 3 drive to my raid 008:05
crimsunseriously, it's a great distro, but it ain't touching my pc.08:06
crimsuntoo old to learn new distros ;)08:06
punkassit sounded like to me, that once u got it installed and running... maintaining it was a breeze08:07
crimsunfortunately debian and ubuntu have saved the day08:08
Smeve1they are still missing stuff08:09
Smeve1like lxdvdrip08:09
Smeve1they really need to add that08:09
punkasswhats a good program to make a copy/backup of a dvd?08:09
punkasslol 08:10
Smeve1the best out there man08:10
joemdd :)08:10
Smeve1and it uses transcode, dvdbackup, vamps, streamdvd, dvdauthor, growisofs, dvdrwtools, etc08:10
punkasshmm ill have to give it a shot08:11
punkassis it GUI or commandline?08:11
punkass"lxdvdrip is a Command Line Tool"08:12
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Smeve1it is easy08:13
Smeve1i find that ripping with trans_par is the fastest08:13
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william_anyone her got dual head going?08:16
punkassi do08:16
theantixwilliam, I have but only after a lot of effort08:16
punkassusing nvidia 590008:16
william_got a good doc to follow?08:16
punkasswith nvidia its pretty easy08:16
punkassare you using the nvidia-glx driver?08:17
william_nah i have a ati radeon08:17
theantixpunkass, that is true if your heads have the same resolution08:17
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william_one crt and one lcd08:17
punkassi am running 1280 and 102408:17
punkasswilliam: same setup i have08:18
william_punkass, so did you follow anything in particular, or just freestyle08:18
punkassone sec08:18
punkassjust #flood and ill throw it in there...just the part you need08:19
william_ok bro08:20
william_im up in thur08:20
william_why was dialup support not included in x86_64? 08:21
punkassnow just add that to your Section "Screen" 08:21
punkassyou may have to change the Horz/vert rates for your crt08:21
william_punkass, aiight08:21
punkassand the MetaModes are the two resolutions you want08:22
william_why was dialup support not included in x86_64? anyone? or was it not in any preview arch release08:22
jdubwilliam_: what are you trying to use?08:22
jdubwilliam_: the 'networking' dialogue?08:22
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punkassand then after that just do a /etc/init.d/gdm restart   to restart X08:23
william_jdub, was that not the go?08:23
punkassyea i see Modem under Computer > Networking08:24
william_punkass, no wvdial installed08:24
plovs_how can I see with what gcc  the  current kernel was complied?08:24
jdubwilliam_: yes, that's due to wvdial atm. known problem... more than a bug ;)08:25
william_punkass, got that, on another box, then it depended on a whole heap of shit also not in the base install08:25
william_jdub, no worries dude, just im a savvy linux user, but a beginner would have been f***d08:25
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punkassif i have an .iso of a dvd would nautilus know what to do with it (for burning)08:30
tvonHas anyone built dbus-cvs on ubuntu?08:31
joempunkass, if dvdrw-tools are installed it should08:35
punkassok thanks08:35
joemdvd+rw-tools should be installed by default08:35
wu_mingcan ubuntu play dvd by default08:36
punkassoooo...synaptic has little ubuntu symbols now08:36
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wu_mingdvd movies08:36
punkassyou need libdvdcss08:36
mdzpunkass: yes, writing an .iso to DVD works out of the box08:36
punkassmdz: cool thanks08:36
subterrifictvon: why do you want dbus-cvs?08:37
Treenaksdoes nautilus-cd support audio CD writing? (if I read the source correctly it doesn't, but I don't know if I read correctly...)08:38
joemTreenaks, no08:38
punkassjoem: are they thinking about doing it?08:40
wu_mingcant find libdvdcss in synaptic08:40
wu_mingwhere can i get it08:40
punkassno its not there08:40
joemwu_ming, check the faq on the wiki08:40
punkasscuz it could be illigel in your country08:40
punkasseww..bad spelling08:40
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jordiilligel, ouch08:41
Treenaksif you're in europe, it's most likely you're OK08:42
joempunkass, it could be added in the future, but not atm08:42
punkasscool..just curious08:42
punkassit would be sweet if they do..08:43
punkasscuz this 2.8 sure is nice08:43
tvonsubterrific: I want to play with Beagle, which I believe requires dbus-cvs.08:45
joemI think it just requires dbus mono bindings08:46
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punkasshow do i get to the menu..is it applications:\\\08:51
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punkassgot it thanks08:52
punkassi did goto Location:  application:/// and natualius just sits with its spinning icon08:54
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punkasswierd got it08:55
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Mykq3i have a problem to install my nVidia driver on Ubuntu...08:58
crimsunMykq3: are you following the guidelines in the wiki?08:59
Mykq3some ppl adviced me to install nvidia-glx with  linux-restricted-modules-
Mykq3no i didn't found it ...08:59
Mykq3i m off to look for it now09:00
crimsunMykq3: np. url is in the topic.09:00
punkasshmmm...gotta find a way to disable the second monitor..so i can play unreal :)09:02
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APis it only me or the new mozilla-firefox package provides a broken browser?09:03
jeldhello all09:03
jeldis there a way to enable totem to play encrypted DVDs?09:03
punkassget totem-xine09:03
jdubjeld: there's a repository mentioned on the mailing list09:04
jdubjeld: that includes pacakges to let you do that09:04
jdubjeld: if you install totem-xine and use those packages, it'll work09:04
punkassAP: i am using the new version and it seems fine09:04
punkassjdub: how tight knit are you guys with gnome?09:04
jdubpunkass: very :)09:05
jeldjdub, thanx09:05
jdubwe have a number of gnome contributors on the team09:05
punkasshehe, cool...thats what i thought09:05
APfind, add bookmarks, about, preferences and every other feature just doesnt seem to work or respond09:05
APf.e. when i try to open some firefox window like add a bookmark, it shows me an error09:05
APXML Parsing Error: undefined entity09:06
APLocation: chrome://browser/content/bookmarks/addBookmark2.xul09:06
APLine Number 22, Column 28:09:06
punkasshmmm not sure, i just tried Find and Bookmarks both are fine09:06
topylimmmm. new icons for the human theme.09:06
punkasswhen did u last update?09:06
APa few days ago09:06
punkassthere is a new one just released09:07
punkassdo a new apt-get09:07
APto version 0.99+1.9PRE-0ubuntu09:07
punkasswell i just did one tonite and there was a new version09:07
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AP# apt-get install mozilla-firefox09:07
APReading Package Lists... Done09:07
APBuilding Dependency Tree... Done09:07
APmozilla-firefox is already the newest version.09:07
punkassdid u Refresh09:08
APyes, a moment ago09:08
punkassi have 0.99+1.0PR-0ubuntu09:08
APi have this version too09:08
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punkasshmm not sure then...everything is workin on my end09:09
bob2AP: if it doesn't work, file a bug09:10
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bob2(if no one else has)09:10
APi think i will09:10
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jblackHi. Is rst in ubuntu ? 09:31
danielsnot that I can see09:32
jblackYeah. I can't find it in the list either. However, stubs recommended it to me for the arch howtos, so I figure its gotta be in there somewhere.09:32
tvonrst related commands are usually in the python-docutils package09:33
tvoneg, rst2html or related09:33
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jblacktvon: right on. incidentally, they seem to have been renamed to rest2(html|xml|latex)09:34
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tvongrr, beagle does need dbus-cvs09:34
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Evasohi all09:46
Evasoany plan to packaging GproFTPD ?09:46
EvasoGProftpd is an administration tool for  theProftpd standalone server.09:48
Evasoit is simple, and could be very useful for Desktop users to maintain and configure an FTP server based over proftpd09:48
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Evasoa debian package already exist here: http://mange.dynup.net/linux/gproftpd/gproftpd_8.1.7-1_i386.deb09:49
Evasobut not in the official debian repos09:49
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bob2talk to the person who made those packages09:52
bob2if they had them uploaded to Debian, then it would become part of Ubuntu's universe.09:52
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Evasoi doesn't tink he is a debian developer or want to find some sponsor09:53
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so_solid_moohello, has anyone here got a prism54 card working with the warty preview?10:21
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joebeastiejust found out today that ubuntu is backed by some crazy billionare. how cool is that? :)10:29
eddhe has a white cat, too10:30
joebeastieyea. i checked out his website10:30
joebeastiereally cool how much he promote open source and pays for bounties and whatnot10:31
Hrdwr_BoBlol edd10:31
danielsedd: nice book; i'm thoroughly enjoying it thus far10:31
eddhey daniels. glad to hear it!10:31
joebeastiewhat book?10:31
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joebeastiehey nanotech10:32
danielsedd: how's things?10:32
nanotechwhat book?10:32
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danielsjoebeastie: mono - a developer's notebook10:32
eddjoebeastie: http://usefulinc.com/edd/books/mono-notebook10:32
joebeastieoh thanks.10:32
edddaniels: they're going ok thanks. i'm going crazy right now trying to, umm,write a book about debian10:32
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joebeastiehow well does mono compare to the fuctionality that is already implemented in microsoft's .net?10:32
danielsedd: heh, nice one10:32
eddjoebeastie: the info on http://www.mono-project.com/about/index.html will answer you better than i could in irc.10:33
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danielsKinnison: morning dude10:33
joebeastieedd: yea i should have visted the site first :-P10:33
edddaniels: but what i'd rather be doing is playing with ubuntu etc10:34
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danielsedd: ahh well10:35
danielseddi've been playing with bluetooth a bit lately10:36
danielstrying to figure out why my phone keeps locking up when I attempt to seid files :\10:36
eddah yes, that's the other thing i need to do10:36
eddross and jdub and now you using it means i need to do way more hacking on gnome bluetooth10:36
eddhoary is a good deadline for me in that respect10:36
danielsrespect is the word fo'sho10:37
eddyou kids10:37
Treenaksdaniels: your phone locks up? that sounds like the software in your phone is b0rken as well..10:37
eddi can't understand a word you say10:37
danielsTreenaks: yeah, firmware10:37
eddTreenaks: it could also be some element of the OBEX protocol niceties my software isn't observing10:37
danielsTreenaks: all I see is a few link_key_requests, then it locks up solid10:37
eddTreenaks: though I thought I'd caught those errors.10:37
Treenaksedd: it yes, but that should generate an error, not crash the phone10:38
eddTreenaks: wishful thinking. all the phones i've ever had could be made to crash by illformed bluetooth comms10:38
danielsmine locks up solid10:38
eddand only on OBEX? modem connects work ok?10:39
jdubedd: what do you think about adding current gnome-bluetooth foo to universe?10:39
danielsedd: haven't tried with the modem10:39
eddjdub: vaguely shaky, as i didn't even upload it to sid...10:39
jdubedd: hrm10:39
danielsedd: but sending files *to* the phone works ok10:39
edddaniels: feel free to file a bug in gnome bugzlila anyway10:39
danielsedd: i might do -- cheers10:40
jdubedd: let's just play with it in hoary instead :)10:40
Kinnisondaniels: You owe me a new vocal faculty10:40
danielsKinnison: ?10:40
Kinnisondaniels: I've started calling people 'dude'10:40
Kinnisonit's scaring me10:40
danielsKinnison: represent10:40
eddjdub: makes sense. i don't want reviews to call it "dreadful" like extremetech called ephy :)10:40
jdubyou'll start saying rad next10:40
jdubedd: ha ha10:40
daniels'dude, that's a phat watch'10:40
Kinnisonjdub: Nup, but I *will* force at least one antipodean straggler to say "router" properly10:40
jdubdaniels: (we are winning.)10:40
jdubKinnison: we say that all the time10:41
danielsKinnison: not even10:41
danielsjdub: rad10:41
jdubKinnison: "so, c'mon, did you router?"10:41
Kinnisonjdub: Yeah; but not to mean a device which routes packets10:41
danielsjdub: haha10:41
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jdubnpmccallum: ping?10:41
danielsross: represent10:41
jdubyo ross 10:41
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danielsKinnison: see, ross is down with the mad phat flava10:42
jdubi should get my sleep cycles screwed up again10:42
jdubeveryone's turning up :|10:42
Kinnisondaniels: yeah; but he kinda looks the part10:42
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danielsKinnison: of course you can :)10:42
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danielsKinnison: if I can get my housemates ... (did you see that?)10:42
jonohi all10:43
Kinnisondaniels: Oh yes; that caused much mirth10:43
joemwow, party in here10:43
danielsjono: hey dude10:43
danielsKinnison: you need to start beatboxing10:43
jonodaniels, heya man, hows it going?10:43
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danielsjono: good thanks, you?10:43
Kinnisondaniels: I *so* don't10:44
jdubjeez louise10:44
jonodaniels, not so bad, just woke up, I have flu though :(10:44
jdububuntu-sounds is 9MB!10:44
danielsjono: ugh :\10:44
jonoI did the Ubuntu review fo Linux Format magazine last night :)10:44
danielsKinnison: you too can say wikkity-wikkity westgart :)10:44
danielser, westgarth10:44
danielsjono: rad10:44
danielsjono: like it?10:45
jonodaniels, I gave it 2/1010:45
Kinnisondaniels: as words yes10:45
Kinnisondaniels: I watched a program with someone beatboxing on it recently10:45
Kinnisondaniels: it scared me10:45
rossKinnison: please not on itv, saturday 10:45
Kinnisondaniels: I'm sure human beings aren't meant to make those noises10:45
danielsKinnison: rad :)10:45
jdubwhat sound playing command line tools do we have installed by default?10:45
jdubnot sox or esdplay10:46
Kinnisonross: naah; ITV2 last night IIRC10:46
danielsjono: heh10:46
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jononaaa, I gave it 9/1010:46
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Kinnisonross: I *accidentally* watched some of X-factor10:46
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danielsKinnison: have you heard rahzel?10:46
Kinnisondaniels: No10:46
rossKinnison: *shockingly bad*10:46
Kinnisonross: Indeed10:46
danielsKinnison: singing and beatboxing, at the same time,. one guy, one windpipe, one mouth.10:46
Kinnisonross: But I got to see Sharon Osborne pour water over Nigel's head10:46
rossdaniels: questlove live is rather impressive10:46
danielsross: oooer10:46
rossKinnison: damn, i missed the only good part10:47
Kinnisondaniels: Yeah; that's roughly what this guy was doing10:47
danielsKinnison: awesome!10:47
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jonoare there any plans to include more graphical config tools (such as YaST) into Ubuntu?10:47
Kinnisondaniels: I fear that my tone-deafness and my lack of rhythm would work against me were I to try and beatbox10:47
danielsKinnison: don't let that hinder you!10:48
Kinnisonjono: I imagine it'll all be gnomeish10:48
jonothat was the reason why Ubuntu got 9/10 instead of 10/1010:48
eddjono: the gnome system tools are already in and do that sort of stuff, no?10:48
danielsjono: gnome-system-tools, and I believe there are some more int he works for specific tasks (e.g. X)10:49
jdubjono: more g-s-t stuff as it comes along, but, um... NOT YAST10:49
jonoedd, sure, but they don't allow you to configure anywhere near everything10:49
danielsyast is crack10:49
jonojdub, heh10:49
jonoedd, congrats on the success of your book btw, I read your blog :)10:49
eddjono: thanks :)10:49
jdububuntu: ~10:50
jdub$ apt-cache show ubuntu-sounds | grep ^Size10:50
jdubSize: 877396010:50
jdububuntu: ~10:50
jdub$ dpkg -L ubuntu-sounds | grep -c wav$10:50
jonoI wonder if gnome-system-tools will be expanded to cover more areas10:50
Kinnisonjdub: merfle!10:50
danielsjdub: !10:50
Kinnisonjono: I imagine so; over time.10:51
jdubjono: you should be reading planet gnome...10:51
jdubjono: there are some rad ones in the making, including a disk setup tool10:51
jonojdub, I do read planet gnome - well, I try to keep up :)10:51
jonojdub, disk setup, cool :)10:51
joemdisk setup going to do resize and all of that fancy stuff, like a gparted?10:52
jonoI like the approach of g-s-m - I have written a lot on my o'reilly blog about the usability nightmare that is the kde control center - g-s-m seems smaller and more defined10:53
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psii seem to remember a 'Services' utility in GST, where you could configure what services to launch at boot time. why isn't it in ubuntu?11:01
jdubpsi: it's not supported upstream, nor by us11:02
joemyea the package disables it by default11:02
jdthoodpsi: It has been removed from Debian too because it was broken.11:02
jonojdub, are you guys at Canonical actually hacking on code such as g-s-t to expand what they can do?11:02
joebeastiepsi, if you are looking for an replacement try rcconf11:02
jdubjono: not a lot.11:02
psijoebeastie: thanks. i'll check it out.11:02
jonojdub, ahhh right11:02
jdubjono: (at this stage, anyway.)11:02
jdthoodjoebeastie: That has also been removed from sarge.  Try sysv-rc-conf instead.  Much better.11:02
jonoI am gonna go get some breakfast11:02
jonojdub, right11:02
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joebeastiejdthood : goodness. i just learned about rcconf the other day to :P11:03
jdthoodjoebeastie: rcconf does not disable services properly: it deletes their rc symlinks whereas it should rename them to something beginning with 'K'.11:04
joebeastiejdthood: you know i just used it the other day and it worked i believe the way you said it should work11:05
joebeastiei will check though11:05
jdthoodjoebeastie: Maybe the ubuntu version has been fixed?11:06
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joebeastiejdthood: no idea11:06
jdthoodIn any case, sysv-rc-conf works and is more powerful.11:07
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LeeColletonHey.  When I suspend my IBM thinkpad X30 it won't resume properly.  The little battery light comes on but the suspend moon doesn't go out.  Button pressing doesn't help, requires hard power off.11:08
LeeColletonThis is with ACPI disabled and the APM module loaded with kernel
LeeColletonis this a bug or is there something i'm forgetting?11:09
jdthoodDoes g-s-t in ubuntu have a network admin module?11:10
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psii'm not sure if it's a gst tool, but there is a network settings application included11:12
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jdthoodpsi: Applications|System Tools|Networking ?11:12
danielsLeeColleton: do you have ACPI disabled for a reason?11:12
LeeColletonyes, because APM conflicts with it11:13
psijdthood: computer -> system configuration -> network11:13
psiand yes, it's from gst11:13
zenwhenIm going to dedicate my night time dialup time to downloading Ubuntu this week. It better wash my clothes for me. n_n11:13
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jdthoodpsi: Beware of network admin too.  It needs work.11:15
psii haven't had to use it, really11:16
psii would like to able to setup WEP with it11:17
psior even WPA11:17
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jdthoodpsi: The safest thing to do is edit /etc/network/interfaces by hand.  There are currently no non-buggy tools available for configuring networking.  (None to my knowledge, anyway.)11:18
stubpsi: After you add the relevant lines for WEP to /etc/network/interfaces, don't run the network-admin tool or it will remove your fix11:20
jdthoodstub: Really?  I wasn't aware of that bug.11:21
stubOoh... I think I put that in my install report but forgot to follow it up with a bugzilla report. I'll do that now.11:22
jdthoodstub: Are you sure you aren't thinking of webmin?  Webmin had that bug until the most recent release.11:22
stubComputer->System Configuration->Network is the one.11:23
stubWell - you can run it, but don't hit 'ok'11:23
jdthoodstub: OK.  That's data loss and therefore RC for Debian's purposes.11:24
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boglHi room!11:29
pittiHi bogl11:30
jdthoodstub: I just tested network-admin and it didn't delete my wireless-* options11:31
boglI'm downloading the iso for ubuntu.  Struggling to find the sys reqs either on the website or the wiki - anyone help?11:31
stubI did another test too - it is only if it needs to rewrite the config file for some reason (such as adding a new interface or trying to change your ip address)11:31
Kinnisonbogl: sysreqs? If you mean system requirements; I wouldn't run it on < 400 MHz in < 128 megs of ram; but it will11:32
boglKinnison, that's what I'm looking for.  I've read a report that it will run tolerably on a 200 Mhz Cyrix  - anyone any experience?11:33
Kinnisonbogl: the OS will; I imagine gnome will be a wee bit slow on that11:34
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jdthoodstub: network admin hung when I tried to add an interface.  I'll try again.11:38
jdthoodstub: It's hanging again.  Such a POS it is.11:40
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stubReport it to the ubuntu bugzilla and someone will look at it. I think there is already a crash reported against it as well (I think it was if the network name is wrong)11:42
jdthoodOK, now I have simplified my /e/n/i file.  network-admin hasn't added the interface it says it added.11:43
jdthoodI am simplifying /e/n/i some more ...11:45
jdthood... and it is hanging again.11:46
jdthoodI assume that this is because I am adding an interface definition for an interface that isn't installed on my system.11:49
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hrei wonder if gpdf will be part of the final-release?11:54
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vincenthre:  http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions?action=highlight&value=gpdf12:10
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nanotechcan anyone help me with some rythmbox problems?12:14
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Rhymeshi all12:14
Rhymesi'm planning to switch to ubuntu from gentoo but i wish to know more about the packages support, i read i can't use debian repository...12:15
TreenaksRhymes: there's universal, which has most debian packages12:16
TreenaksRhymes: and if you really want to you can install Debian packages, but it's VERY much discouraged and not supported at all12:17
RhymesTreenaks: ok, so this weekend I'll make the switch, i'm tired of gentoo :-P12:17
RhymesTreenaks: what about apt-get src and general source support?12:18
MithrandirRhymes: why do you want to compile stuff yourself?12:18
RhymesMithrandir: i don't, but if i need a program that maybe not be in ubuntu packages i go sources, no?12:19
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TreenaksRhymes: sure, but you don't need to compile stuff if it's packaged already.. (otherwise, you'll want to package it)12:19
xordoquydoes anyone tried to install ubuntu on a 17" powerbook ?12:19
nanotechit is possible to sort rythmbox tracks in an automatic list?12:20
MithrandirRhymes: can you name something that's not packaged? :)12:20
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RhymesMithrandir: i don't know, sometimes i find something not packaged even for gentoo :-P anyway don't bother, it's not a real problem12:20
MithrandirRhymes: I believe Debian's bigger than gentoo, and it's _very_ seldom I find stuff I want which isn't packaged.12:21
Rhymesthanks for the tips12:21
Treenakslast time I found something not packaged, it turned out to be obsolete and replaced by something else12:22
pisukeheh. printed a test page and it shows the ximian logo "ximian desktop test page". maybe you should have an ubuntu test page :-)12:22
Treenakspisuke: already in the bug list :)12:23
vrlnwill there be a constantly moving development tree (that anyone can use) once ubuntu is released? (for the people who don't mind risking stability + want to try out the latest and the greatest asap)12:24
Mithrandirvrln: yes, the hoary tree will be opened when warty is out.12:24
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Mithrandirvrln: and the perky tree once hoary is out, and so on.12:24
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wu_minghi, where does evolution2.0 store its account data(ie contacts, inbox emails, tasks)12:25
wu_mingit seems once 'rm -rf .evolution' makes no difference to it12:25
Treenakswu_ming: ~/.evolution12:26
wu_mingit doesnt work12:26
Treenakswu_ming: and in gconf.. gconf-editor12:26
Mithrandirwu_ming: you probably need to kill evolution-data-server first.12:26
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wu_mingi got a evolution1.4, i need to import12:26
wu_mingbut it wont erase from memory...aghhh12:26
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wu_mingso how do i clean gconf bit12:27
wu_mingto totally erase the current data existence12:27
Treenakswu_ming: you'll want to keep that..12:28
wu_mingi cant import 1.4 data though 12:28
wu_mingi put the old evolution folder into home..then run 'evolution' will always have old data12:28
Treenaksthat's right, right?12:29
wu_mingno, it should start the importer functionality to automatically do conversion12:29
Treenakswu_ming: only if gconf says the "current version" is < 2.012:30
TreenaksI think!12:30
wu_mingso just change version number? i try12:30
wu_mingyeah it works now!!! thanks heap12:31
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nanotechis there a projected release date for warthog?12:34
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seb128nanotech: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fReleaseSchedule12:37
spivnanotech: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog/ReleaseSchedule12:37
spivseb128: :)12:37
seb128he he12:37
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psiis the theme changer not working for anyone else?12:42
psinothing happens if i click on another theme12:42
vrlnI thought ubuntu should have all ports closed as default, is it true? Just wondering because I installed ubuntu on another comp yesturday and nmap noticed some open ports like rpc/800-something.12:44
WWpsi: Works here.12:45
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danielsvrln: iirc there is only one open, which is rpc portmap12:56
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vrlnI'll install ubuntu again later today and check again12:59
joebeastiewow ubuntu has been worked on since april 5?01:00
thomyeah, that's about right01:01
joebeastieso secret :)01:01
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vincentpsi: try to uninstall smooth-theme01:06
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psivincent: that didn't help01:12
seb128killall gnome-settings-daemon01:12
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psiseb128: that did work :)01:13
psii can change themes now01:13
seb128the problem is known, the fix not for the moment ... but killing the daemon works01:14
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nanotechany rythmbox users?01:28
Telepwell, just ran it for the first time :)01:29
Telepso I might qualify as a "user"01:29
nanotechheh, once you config some autoplaylists, let me know if you can sort 'em :P01:30
Telephmm, I don't really use playlists much - can't be bothered :)01:31
nanotechplaylists are the strength of that prog01:32
nanotechespecially automatic playlists01:32
Telepwell it's also just a very nice jukebox - like itunes01:32
TelepI was suprised that ubuntu installed without a glitch on my HP laptop01:33
TelepI have yet to try wireless, though01:34
TreenaksTelep: centrino?01:34
Treenaksthat should most likely Just Work01:34
Telepnice :)01:34
TelepI was also pleasantly suprised that it recognised my 1680x1050 widescreen :)01:35
nanotechi feel that itune's strength is it's autoplaylists, as well (as well as both r-box, and tunes's ability to "rate")01:35
TreenaksTelep: what type of laptop do you have?01:35
nanotechcan someone briefly describe how i can install an RPM package01:35
nanotechi know it's redhat01:35
Telepnanotech, yes they have seemed very nice when I've played around with them, but I just haven't been bothered to use them much... maybe I should :)01:36
jordinanotech: there's alien to do that. But in general, you avoid that.01:36
TelepTreenaks: HP Compaq nx700001:36
nanotechtelep, i sugest it...the dynamic nature of the autoplaylists is phenonimal01:36
TreenaksTelep: cool, I'll write that down.. it sounds like it has everything I want (widescreen, X is supported, wireless)01:37
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TelepTreenaks: I'd been using a "precustomized" version of Gentoo before - done by a guy over at x1000forums.com. But since I was dying to try out Gnome 2.8 I thought I'd give Ubuntu a go :)01:39
TelepSo far I can't say I'm missing much - I wasn't too familiar with the debian package management system (except via using Fink on Mac OS X) but it seems pretty straight forward to me, esp. using Synaptic.01:42
TelepOTOH I haven't installed much stuff yet ;)01:43
TreenaksTelep: try the console programs too (apt-cache/apt-get)01:43
Telepsure - btw, is there a quick way to search for a package with apt-get using a string?01:44
jonathaNTelep: apt-cache search <string>01:47
Telepok, thanks01:47
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Telepbtw - what do I need to do to mount an ntfs partition in ubuntu? I only need read-only01:59
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mojoany ppl here need to ssh to my PC to debug hw_random bug?02:00
Teleptyping "sudo mount -t ntfs ..." etc mounts _something_, but without even read permissions - and I cant's seem to be able to change them, even using sudo02:01
WWHey there, I'm trying to explain the "sudo" thing to someone.  If I set the root password, does the root then have like "normal"?  I.e. I can use "su", and I can login in as root?02:01
WW /02:01
KamionWW: yes02:04
WWKamion: Thanks.02:05
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nanotechquick q: when i complete apt-get update, and upgrade, is that running testing? unstable? what?02:14
WWnanotech: It's running ubuntu.02:14
Kamionthat would depend what's in /etc/apt/sources.list02:14
nanotechpersonally i have the ubuntu defaults, and universe02:15
deFryskits a mix of unstable/testing afaIk02:16
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KamiondeFrysk: not really02:19
KamiondeFrysk: it's a branch of unstable from late June with various newer changes synced across when we thought they were necessary, and many local changes02:19
Telepdoes the Ubuntu kernel support ntfs?02:21
deFryskKamion, i see02:21
stubTelep: yes - read only if that makes a difference02:27
Telepstub, I can't seem to be able to mount my ntfs partition with read access.02:29
WWAre there plans to include KDE in the future?02:30
Telepwhat would be the point in that?02:30
Telepthere's about a million distros around, so focusing on something (gnome in this case) is probably a good idea02:31
WWI'm happy with gnome, but I hear this a lot: "Gnome only? Forget about it. I want my KDE!"02:32
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KamionTelep: modprobe ntfs?02:34
KamionWW: it won't be part of standard Ubuntu02:34
nanotechi am currently mounting my 250 gb HDD ntfs in ubuntu02:34
KamionWW: if community maintainers want to start an effort to support KDE, though, they'll be welcome02:35
nanotecha quick vim session to fstab02:35
WWKamion: I see. Thanks.02:35
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morgancMy USB flash drive stopped being detected when I plug it in. Before I post to the ml, what should I check?03:33
emaguys, ubuntu is cool, congrats :)03:34
MyKq3yeah its really grate... :))) keep on the good work03:34
blokkiemy X server won't even start :-)03:35
blokkieand  be-latin1 kbd layout is not even in the install menu03:35
morgancblokkie: what hw u running?03:35
morgancblokkie: known bugs in be kbd handling. Hopefully fixed in full release in 2 wks...03:36
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WaldgeistI got a problem with totem in ubuntu03:40
beezlyhey Waldgeist03:40
Waldgeistjust installed it and i cannot play any video..03:40
Waldgeistconfigured the gstreamer backend to x11 to avoid xV problems03:41
Waldgeistbut still no video just a wonderfull crashing totem :o)03:41
jdubWaldgeist: erk, that won't help03:41
jdubWaldgeist: there's very little multimedia support included03:41
jdubWaldgeist: install totem-xine from universe, and get the w32codecs from elsewhere (it has been mentioned on the mailing list)03:41
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Waldgeistjdub, mhkay.. thought the gstreamer backend is grown up enough..03:42
jdubWaldgeist: the backend still needs work, but on top of that, there are no free formats/codecs that we can support (other than the xiph ones)03:42
Kamionblokkie: I fixed that on Wednesday; current dailies should work03:46
morgancWaldgeist: w32codecs from this apt source: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main (if I typed it wrong check the mailing list archives)03:46
bdaleany change in grub for amd64 since the preview release that might have fixed my problem booting on an SK8V?03:47
Kamionbdale: what's the problem?03:47
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bdaleKamion: hangs after the "please wait" 03:48
Kamionhmph. not XFS?03:48
bdaleKamion: first reboot after an install-from-scratch using the warty preview iso for amd6403:49
herzippp broken? i get syntax errors in /usr/bin/pon can sombody verify this? i'll submit a bug report then03:49
blokkieKamion, I run amd64 version ,  ati radeon 9600 03:49
bdaleKamion: I've tried various things, including turning off the menu hiding, installing the grub from sid, etc.  same machine with a different disk boots amd64 sid happily03:49
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bdaleI particularly don't understand why the same grub version once installed didn't fix the problem?03:50
bdale(booted from CD, mounted the filesystem, chrooted into it, fetched the .deb of the grub version I'm running on the other disk, installed it, re-ran the grub installer, etc)03:51
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blokkieis there a xorg xserver dep available ? 03:52
blokkiecoz that server supports my hw 03:52
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mjg59blokkie: Radeon 9600 should be supported fine by the XFree package03:53
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blokkieit just caught signal 11 . 03:56
blokkiethats all03:56
Xiaohello. is there anybody able to answer questions about ubuntu on amd64 platform?03:57
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phlowwwhats it all about the ubuntu universal tree ?03:59
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p0inthey guys04:01
phlowwi did an apt-get upgrade 4 days ago, today i did it again: 50 packages to update04:01
phlowwwhats that all about04:01
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phlowwso many bugs corrected ?04:01
p0intpackages.debian.org ... www.apt-get.org ... what's the equivalent for ubuntu? =)04:02
phlowwsudo apt-cache search <packetname>04:02
thomphloww: we're still in major bugsquash mode, so yeah, that many bugs fixed04:04
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whiprushthey both show up for me p0int 04:06
=== p0int woots! \o/
p0inti've installed ubuntu on a machine at work.04:07
=== p0int is impressed.
p0intbut this afternoon, i was also messing around with sudo.04:07
p0intand i did sudo chmod 640 /etc/sudoers 04:07
=== p0int is very very smart.
p0intso i will have to bring a friggin bootdisk tomorrow to restore it to 440....04:08
phlowwthom: oh, well... well done04:08
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p0intnooooo.. it has old old plone...04:12
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npmccallumjdub: pong04:15
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mxpxpodjdub: ok, I figured out what was wrong with SA04:22
maswanMithrandir: you around?04:23
mxpxpodjdub: for some reason, it was using bogofilter as well as itself... which wasw strange to me04:23
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AnnaHi, my bottom panel crashed at startup with all apps having gone at restart. I added all the functions again with the application launcher (e.g. show desktop, switch working environment, trashcan) but now, when I minimize windows (any window of any program), they are not visible in the panel. Like they evaporate into nirvana.04:28
sanxiynAdd taskbar?04:28
AnnaI did that.04:29
deFryskadd windows list04:29
deFryskin panel04:29
Annahow do I add a window list in the panel?04:30
deFryskrightklik emty spot in panel04:30
sanxiynRight click on panel, add, window list.04:30
deFryskadd to panel04:30
deFryskand choose windows list04:30
Hrdwr_BoBit's devilishly hard04:30
Annaoh ok, stupid me04:30
deFryskthey ease of gnome makes it hard on people04:31
Annait worked..04:31
deFryskthey = the04:31
Annathanks a lot.04:31
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AnnaWell, I'm also a week into GNU/Linux...04:32
Hrdwr_BoBwhat do you think so far?04:32
deFryskI checked the about button of my windows list to figure out the name hehe04:32
AnnaSo that considering, I'm doing pretty well;-)04:32
sanxiyndeFrysk: Oh.04:32
|trey|Anna: where you coming from? you liking it so far?04:33
sanxiyndeFrysk: Your LANG?04:33
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AnnaTrey, yes I love it04:33
deFryskAnna, a week in linux and aready in the best ditro :)04:33
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deFrysksanxiyn, i think you misundersood me04:33
deFryskdarn typo's04:34
sanxiyndeFrysk: heh.04:34
|trey|Anna: :)  Ubuntu isn't a release yet though... so you might be seeing a few problems so far that will go away  :)04:34
deFryskmy lang is us english04:34
AnnaI must admit it is quite humbling to be defeated by moron tasks and constantly being reminded by ones limitations, but it's part of the excitement.04:34
deFryskI was on fedora until a few days ago04:35
|trey|Anna: learning is fun... been using Debian (what Ubuntu is based on) for about 3 years... still learning things  :)04:35
|trey|deFrysk: I knew I recognized the screenname  8-)04:35
Hrdwr_BoBI have run debian for years now04:36
deFrysklol |trey| was it you who was spamming in #fedora ?04:36
Hrdwr_BoBI finally got a sysadmin job where I use only debian04:36
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AnnaActually, I have made this pre-release my main OS... I'm not doing much. Browsing the web, writing some letters, very basic stuff.. just the type of tasks people would do that Ubuntu is intended for;-)04:36
Hrdwr_BoBbed time!04:36
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|trey|deFrysk: no... I got in several arguments in there though  :/04:37
sanxiynAnna: Wonderful.04:37
deFryskSomeone talked about the speed of ubuntu in #fedora04:37
deFryskmade me curious04:37
|trey|deFrysk: Debian Package Management is superier, I guess they couldn't take that though  8-)04:37
deFryskthat person was right tho04:37
|trey|deFrysk: its as fast as Debian  :/04:38
deFrysk|trey|, I noticed the speed of debian based with libranet a few yrs ago04:38
|trey|deFrysk: never tried libranet  :/04:38
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|trey|It offers nothing other Debian... Ubuntu does though...04:39
deFryskI hope ubuntu wil incorporate a adminmenu tool04:39
deFryskits ideal for setting up services and automated recompiling of the kernel04:39
|trey|deFrysk: I actually hope it goes more in the direction of RedHat/Fedora... which looks likely with how much Python stuff is installed already...04:39
deFrysk|trey|, not too much kde-deps i hope :s04:40
sanxiynWell, Ubuntu is mostly Debian.04:40
blokkieokay .. all is going well now :-) cool default desktop04:40
|trey|deFrysk: RedHat takes a more UNIX type view... simple tools to do specific tasks... YaST/Admintool etc... these are bulky and slow...04:40
sanxiynQuote: "But the appeal for me is simple. A newly installed Ubuntu system looks pretty much the same as my Debian unstable system after I've finished configuring it." --Edd Dumbill.04:40
|trey|deFrysk: I think they will ensure nothing about KDE is required  8-)04:41
deFrysk|trey|, yast2 killed suse04:41
|trey|sanxiyn: That is EXACTLY why I am still using Ubuntu... it is what I would have my desktop look like if I knew how  :)04:42
deFrysk|trey|, I like the community apprroach of fedora , it seems ubuntu does something like that too 04:42
|trey|deFrysk: blah... never had it break anything... but it certainly annoys me  :/04:42
|trey|deFrysk: Fedora's community is based on Debian... Ubuntu IS Debian, but released more regularly, and with some tweaks...04:42
axe9dotcom-_- so tired04:42
sanxiyndeFrysk: Which "community approach"?04:43
|trey|sanxiyn: the one they copied from Debian...04:43
deFryskmore open to questions without the rtfm answers04:43
|trey|deFrysk: only thing that is bad about Fedora is its a dictatorship...04:43
|trey|that and package management :/04:43
sanxiyn|trey|: I think what deFrysk means is different.04:44
deFrysk|trey|, its governd by a commercial distro04:44
|trey|deFrysk: which is bad imo04:44
deFrysk|trey|, I dont agree04:44
axe9dotcomAnyone want Gmail?04:44
|trey|axe9dotcom: if you're offering  :)04:44
|trey|want to play with GmailFS  :)04:44
deFryskaxe9dotcom, to late already got it04:44
sanxiyndeFrysk: So you think Debian community is not open to question and rtfm-oriented?04:45
|trey|fearl@cox.net Francis  :)04:45
deFrysksanxiyn, my last experiences yes04:45
deFrysk(a while ago)04:45
sanxiyndeFrysk: Well, http://debianusers.org/ have been friendly to me. :-)04:45
sanxiyn(Korean Debian community.)04:45
deFrysksanxiyn, times che=ange , approaches change04:45
sanxiynPerhaps different in other places.04:45
deFryskI noticed the rtfm culture is kinda dissapearing04:46
axe9dotcomI think I have a total of 18 invites ^^;04:46
sanxiyndeFrysk: RTFM is good. It saves time.04:46
deFryskso not unlikely thats happening in debian too04:46
|trey|deFrysk: there are many Debian users that perhaps too experienced... Ubuntu and Fedora's target audiances are the same, thus the approach to users will be simular...04:46
deFrysksanxiyn, I rtfm myself to death04:47
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|trey|axe9dotcom: thank you  :)04:47
deFrysk|trey|, agree04:47
sanxiynGentoo forum is very open to questions and friendly, IMO. :-)04:48
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deFryskgentoo is pretty good too yes04:48
AnnaLOL. I just just a funny warning. XSane told me it didn't find my USB scanner, and in its help suggested that perhaps the device needs root privilege or something. So I opened the root terminal as I haven't figured out yet how to log in as admin, and following warning came: "You try to run Xsane as ROOT, that is really DANGEROUS! Do not send in any bug reports when you have any problem running xsane as root. YOU ARE ALONE!" Needless to say I p04:48
deFryskonly I dont like the endless compiling04:48
|trey|deFrysk: you must see it from their pov though... if you KNOW FOR A FACT that something is documented, and explained well... wouldn't you be frustrated that you are being asked to paraphrase the same thing?04:48
deFrysk|trey|, I agree 04:49
deFrysksometimes it better to lurk then to respond04:49
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AnnaI guess I wont ever try to run xsane as root again. I promise.04:50
|trey|deFrysk: yup... or just read logs often  :)04:50
deFrysk|trey|, logging yes :)04:50
sanxiynAnna: That sounds frstrating. :(04:50
|trey|axe9dotcom: about how long does it usually take to get the invite?  :(04:51
AnnaNo, not really frustrated, because I know that the problem is just that I lack the information to the solution04:51
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deFryskgmail rocks 1000meg!04:51
|trey|Anna: thats the most frustrating thing I am ever faced with... I hate not knowing about something I am playing with  :(04:51
|trey|axe9dotcom: never mind, I got it, I'm just impatient... thank you very much  :)04:52
axe9dotcomAn invitation has been emailed to your friend Francis at fearl@cox.net.04:53
axe9dotcomA copy of this invitation has been saved in your Sent Mail folder.04:53
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AnnaWell, that pretty much describes my entire existence as noobie;-) But since I'm not under any pressure, I'll just take it slowly and scan <cough> trough the documentation.04:53
axe9dotcomI had to try three times =_=04:53
|trey|axe9dotcom: signed up  8)04:54
|trey|It is taking rather long to redirect me though  :(04:55
AnnaThat is, I have to find the documentation first. But as far as I'm seeing it, Ubuntu has already created a nice buzz on the net, especially since its installer finally makes Debian accessible to beginners. 04:55
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axe9dotcomI love Gmail04:55
Waldgeistmh.. i cannot get sound running.. there is no /dev/dsp but every program seems to want it.. 04:55
axe9dotcomThe filter rocks too04:55
Waldgeistthe sounddriver is working ( or so alsa said )04:55
Waldgeistbut nothing is coming out of the speakers04:55
axe9dotcomin your terminal04:56
Annaanyway, I'll stop spamming the chat with small talk. CU guys later and thanks again.04:56
axe9dotcomrun lsmod04:56
deFryskwhen date span is set on 1 month ubuntu is at nr17 in distrowatch04:56
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Waldgeistsnd_ac97_codec         59268  1 snd_maestro304:57
Waldgeistsnd_pcm                85540  2 snd_maestro304:57
Waldgeistsnd_page_alloc         11144  1 snd_pcm04:57
Waldgeistsnd_timer              23172  1 snd_pcm04:57
Waldgeistsnd                    50660  13 snd_maestro3,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer04:57
|trey|deFrysk: thats higher then Fedora was during its first testing cycle  :)04:57
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axe9dotcommodprobe snd-es196804:58
axe9dotcommodprobe snd-es193804:58
deFrysk|trey|, not bad :)04:58
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|trey|deFrysk: not at all... a lot of geeks are switching too... thats the best sign I have seen in Ubuntu's favor  :)04:59
axe9dotcomYou might need to use Sudo too04:59
Waldgeistaxe9dotcom, i use the root terminal its sudoed04:59
axe9dotcomyou need to fix whatever made my drive go coocoo04:59
|trey|deFrysk: most Fedora users at first were RedHat employees, or RedHat users... Ubuntu is attracting everyone  :)05:00
axe9dotcomit come up?05:00
axe9dotcomif so05:00
deFrysk|trey|, good news :)05:00
axe9dotcomgo to the volume control, and make sure everything is on, and up, and not muted05:00
Waldgeistaxe9dotcom, nothings muted..05:01
|trey|deFrysk: very... not least because the more people that use the preview, the more bugs reported, the better the release will be  :)05:01
Waldgeisteverythings up05:01
axe9dotcomtpye in..05:01
sanxiyn/dev/dsp is owned by audio, /dev/fb0 by video, but I see no group for scanners...05:01
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Waldgeistsanxiyn, hey you got a /dev/dsp ?05:01
Waldgeistnothing here05:01
axe9dotcomwhat's the command for the mixer?05:01
Waldgeistalsamixer ?05:01
axe9dotcommake sure stuff isn't muted there 05:02
Waldgeistdid that05:02
axe9dotcomthast worked for me last night05:02
axe9dotcomXD I'm a newbie05:02
Waldgeisti use alsa on 4 other machines05:02
|trey|axe9dotcom: so very technical that word... stuff  ;)05:02
Waldgeistubuntu is strange :o)05:02
axe9dotcomjust trying to help if I can.. I bothered you people for a week and a half =_=05:02
Waldgeisti thought it would be easier to configure than debian05:02
|trey|Waldgeist: Ubuntu is logical... you're just not used to that  :)05:03
|trey|Waldgeist: not yet... it basically is Debian with GNOME 2.8 right now...05:03
Waldgeist|trey|, how logical is that ? alsas working, mixer is full, everything should work but its not :o)05:03
|trey|Waldgeist: its not a release, bugs are expected  8)05:03
axe9dotcomyour speakers pluged in>05:03
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ulmenWaldgeist: /dev/dsp is the oss device ... tell your apps to use alsa or enable the oss-emulation05:04
axe9dotcomnot saying your stupid or anything05:04
Waldgeist|trey|, i use debian experimental i am used to bugs hehe05:04
sanxiynWaldgeist: Hehe.05:04
Waldgeistaxe9dotcom, hehe.. ..05:04
axe9dotcomI kept wondering why my hard drive wasn't spinning05:04
|trey|Waldgeist: used that for a while... can't wait for APT to make it to Sid, and thusly Hoary  :)05:04
Waldgeistulmen, yeah i better try the oss emulation..05:04
axe9dotcomand then I opened the case and realized that the ps connector was out XD05:04
|trey|0.6's gpg features are nice  :)05:05
axe9dotcomI forgot to plug it back in when I was screwing with the jumpers05:05
axe9dotcombye yeall05:05
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|trey|axe9dotcom: later, thanks again :)05:05
|trey|y0ann: hey05:05
|trey|y0ann: need help?05:06
|trey|y0ann = Anna ?05:06
y0ann|trey|: non for the moment i'm doing my fisrt ubuntu install05:06
y0ann|trey|: i'm a guy ;)05:06
sanxiyny0ann: Welcome!05:06
|trey|y0ann: ohh.. my mistake... good luck  :)05:07
y0annsanxiyn: thank :)05:07
|trey|y0ann: its still beta, so cross your fingers  :)05:07
y0ann|trey|: I am crossing my finger 05:07
y0annfisrt gnome starting ....05:08
|trey|gdm you mean  ;)05:08
y0annit seems to be working :)05:08
y0ann|trey|: yes ;)05:09
sanxiyny0ann: Yay.05:09
|trey|First time I booted, xresprobe was horribly wrong... you are lucky :)05:09
|trey|reinstalled since though, and realized it was fixed  :)05:10
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y0ann|trey|: i've not been asked about a root password ...05:12
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Agrajagy0ann: ubuntu doesn't set a root password05:13
Agrajagit adds the user you created to sudoers with full privileges05:13
y0annAgrajag: ok :)05:14
Agrajagyou CAN set a root password if you wish, but it's really not necessary05:14
y0annAgrajag: ok thank you :)05:14
danielstreyh0: heh05:16
daniels|trey|: xresprobe has been an interesting journey05:16
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arachney0ann: i use sudo -s05:17
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deFryskawkard living without a root passwd05:18
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AgrajagdeFrysk: well like I said, you don't have to05:19
Agrajagsudo passwd root05:19
deFryskarachne, I know05:19
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daldermanhi guys, anyone here tried recompiling a kernel yet?05:22
daldermanI posted on the list about it but nobody has replied05:22
daldermanI think there is a problem if I use the config from the stock kernel and recompile hal and framebuffer break05:23
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daldermanshould I file a bug?05:24
daldermanmdz, are you in?05:27
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palfreyI'm attempting to submit a bug on the ubuntu bugzilla, but every time I try I get "You must choose a component to file this bug in. If necessary, just guess". I've entered a valid package name (polypaudio-x11), but I keep getting this error. any ideas?05:35
krischanCan anybody say if the IDE 'Eclipse' is available as package for Ubuntu?05:35
krischanpalfrey: The component is not the package name.05:35
krischanA component is a set of packages, a component composes of selected packages. The three components are "main", "restricted" and "universe".05:36
palfreyok... that's surprising. other bugzilla's i would suspect package names. so i should put the package name somewhere in the description instead?05:37
Kamioner, the component is the package name05:38
Kamionat least in bugzilla05:38
palfreyjust tried with "universe" instead. same problem05:38
krischanpalfrey: Probably, I'm not familiar with the formular. But component does not refer to the package. The concept of components is explained at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view05:38
Kamionkrischan: yes it does in bugzilla05:38
Kamionkrischan: the word is overloaded05:38
Kamionpalfrey: most of the package names from universe haven't been added as bugzilla components05:39
Kamionpalfrey: just use 'UNKNOWN' as the component for now05:39
krischanKamion: oops, I didn't know that! I thought so because of the component-concept that's driven by Ubuntu.05:39
palfreyah-ha. little pop-up box just turned up as i started typing. looks promising....05:39
Kamionkrischan: that use of 'component' comes from the Debian archive layout05:39
krischanpalfrey: Sorry if I spread confusion!05:40
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Kamionkrischan: unfortunately any time you try to come up with names for different collections of packages, you find there are only so many words to use and name clashes tend to arise ...05:40
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sanitariookey, how's the best way to get a new XF86Config-4? auto-probed like the install does?05:40
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palfreyi figured package names given as debian bug system separates bugs by package name. can't someone automate the adding of all the current ubuntu package names to the bugzilla form?05:41
MyKq3do i have a package for VM java 05:41
Kamionpalfrey: the problem is that if we did that the bugzilla form would take about a month to download05:41
krischanKamion: I see. And the Linux world hasn't come to an agreement about that yet?05:41
MyKq3does Ubuntu have java VM?***05:41
Kamionkrischan: it's not really subject to agreement05:41
Kamionkrischan: there are all sorts of things you want to call things in different contexts05:42
Kamionkrischan: language is ambiguous :-)05:42
whiprushMyKq3: there's an apt source for java, but it's unofficial, you can also download it from sun05:42
daldermanMyKq3, there is also kaffe05:42
krischanKamion: yes, that's gift and curse! :)05:43
daldermanMyKq3, they can't redist the sun jvm, nobody is allowed to without paying uber amounts of money to sun05:43
palfreywell then not doing autocomplete on the package names might be a brighter idea. or only doing autocomplete for say the top 100 or so packages, and allowing everything else to get entered manually05:43
Agrajagdalderman: what about blackdown?05:43
daldermanAgrajag, they paid Sun05:43
Agrajagoh ok05:43
Kamionpalfrey: considering that universe is unsupported, we don't really want to encourage people to file lots of bugs in our bugzilla about it, though05:44
MyKq3do u know the name of the package that i need to look for 05:44
AgrajagI thought it was a separate vm05:44
MyKq3cuse when i try to look got JAVA* i find nothingy05:44
Mithrandirmaswan: yes05:44
krischanMyKq3: If you're interested to install a Java VM, this link provides a good step-by-setp description: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian05:44
daldermanAgrajag, the vm itself is seperate, anyone can write that, it's the class libraries that cost05:44
MyKq3thank u very much ^^05:44
whiprushhmm, those instructions are kind of complicated05:45
sanitarioanyone knows how to auto-probe an XF86Config-4 like the ubuntu-install does? 05:45
AgrajagX --configure I think05:45
Agrajagor maybe -configure, or --config, or -config05:46
Agrajagsomething like that, check the manual05:46
palfreykamion: the problem is when there are universe packages that have packaging problems (like in my case). these should certainly be fixed/removed.05:46
daldermandpkg-reconfigure xserver-sfree8605:46
daldermandpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8605:46
MyKq3i really don't undertend much about java ... r u sure that java sdk = java VM... i reammber that its diffrent. like that SDK is for divelopt ...05:46
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sanitariodalderman: somehow that does not write and XF86Config-4 ...05:46
krischanwhiprush: Well, they are detailed. The only thing I don't like is that in two weeks I wouldn't remember all those steps by heart. That makes it a bit user-unfriendly in my eyes.05:47
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daldermanshould do05:47
whiprushI just use the one source05:47
whiprushit sets the environment variables and everything05:47
sanitariodalderman: I know, but it does not, neither does apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xfree8605:47
whiprushdeb http://debian.innovationsw.com/debian unstable/i386/05:47
daldermanMyKq3, the vm is the interpreter, it runs java class files.  Most java programs require the java class libraries to run, which come witht he runtime and developemtn libraries... rt.jar05:48
whiprushdon't blame me if mcnealey comes to your house and has you hauled away though. :p05:48
Kamionpalfrey: universe is unsupported; this includes packaging problems ...05:48
Kamionpalfrey: usually the right answer is going to be to report the problem to whoever upstream of Ubuntu is responsible for the package05:48
krischanwhiprush: yep, using source works as well. I want to use packages whereever possible, that's why I decided to use those instructions.05:49
ajKamion: fwiw, dist-upgrade on my old ibook worked fairly seemlessly; X remains broken though05:49
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Kamionaj: what were you dist-upgrading from, again?05:49
daldermansanitario, in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 there are the lines...05:50
ajKamion: month or so out of date sarge; X dies when suspending or switching to VCs basically05:50
daldermansanitario, # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using05:50
dalderman# values from the debconf database.05:50
daldermansanitario, # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using05:50
dalderman# values from the debconf database.05:50
Kamionpalfrey: (as it happens, I think Jeff Waugh did the polyp stuff, so he'll probably deal with your bug in this case; just speaking of the general case ...)05:50
danielsaj: what sort of card do you have?05:50
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daldermansanitario, # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xfree86 package upgrades *only*05:51
dalderman# if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xfree8605:51
dalderman# package.05:51
ajdaniels: it's an old ibook -- original dual usb model; r128 is the driver.05:51
palfreykamion: i would suggest mentioning this prominently on the ubuntu bugzilla, as otherwise you're going to get a lot of confused ex-debian folk. the upstream package manager in this case is actually a @canonical person btw05:51
daniels aj bizzare, i thought we fixed all thta05:51
danielsaj: erm, assume i typed the above without typos05:51
Kamionpalfrey: ... as I said :)05:51
ajdaniels: it broke in my last sarge upgrade, which was from early 2004 to july 2004 or so i think05:52
sanitariodalderman: I happened to delete it... trying with the one generated by X -configure05:52
danielsaj: any ideas as to which versions?05:52
ajdaneils: no, not really; probably one of the feb versions or so at a guess05:53
danielsaj: ok, I'll try to see if anything changed at a glance, but no idea off the top of my head, sorry; then again, I'm hardly Mr XSF, so Fabio might be better to ask05:53
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dablitzcan someone tell me how to install or run the sshd server within ubuntu05:55
Kamionpalfrey: just filed https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=184005:55
Kamiondablitz: sudo apt-get install openssh-server05:55
krischanI'd like to know more about the difference between GStreamer and Xine. The Ubuntu FAQ says, of course you can use totem-xine instead of totem-gstreamer, but that wouldn't be as cool and integrating like using GStreamer. Okay, what would be my advantages? Let's say my position is: with totem-xine I can watch my old AVIs, with totem-gstreamer I can't, so why should I change?05:58
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Agrajagyou shouldn't, since xine works and gstreamer doesn't.06:09
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Agrajaggstreamer is a media decoding/streaming/whatever library for gnome, but it's really still in its infancy and doesn't work all that great06:10
deFryskin gnome 2.10 gstreamer wil replace xine06:11
AgrajagdeFrysk: huh06:11
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jeldhello all06:13
tardmacso ubuntu has much more up-to-date packages compared to debian, eh?06:13
ggitardmac: Compared to woody, yes.06:14
subterrificAgrajag: he means that by gnome 2.10, gstreamer should be as mature as xine, and will be part of the default gnome install. thats the plan at least06:14
Agrajagisn't it part of the default install already?06:14
tardmaccomparable to sid?06:14
subterrificAgrajag: no06:14
rcaskeyIs there a way to copy a cd in nautilus byte for byte?06:14
Kamiontardmac: somewhat older than current sid in some cases, somewhat newer in others (e.g. GNOME)06:14
jeldgnome keyboard switching applet, are the flag pictures in a different package than gnome-applets?06:14
Agrajagin nautilus, no06:15
Agrajagjust use dd06:15
inklingxare there any user-orientated docs on gstreamer btw?06:15
tardmacnot bleeding edge, like gentoo06:15
Agrajagor cdrdao06:15
rcaskeyAgrajag: taht's a real shame though06:15
Agrajagrcaskey: so write a script to do it06:15
runogreetings people; I'd like to know who is in charge of translations,06:15
rcaskeyI need to06:15
Agrajagtardmac: I dunno06:15
Agrajaggentoo doesn't even have gnome 2.8 yet06:15
rcaskeyI've been meaning to do that for work too with a nice Aqua frontend06:16
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Agrajagat least not last I checked, and not without major problems with HAL and dbus06:16
jeldAgrajag: hmmm... actually they do, but it is masked for testing ATM06:16
Agrajagbecause of the major problems06:16
Kamionruno: our translation infrastructure isn't finished yet; for now, please file bugs06:16
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runoKamion: ok, thanks06:17
maswanMithrandir: Just thought I saw some references here, are there any x40 models to avoid or are the current ones all equally good?06:17
Mithrandirmaswan: I think they all work well06:17
Mithrandirmaswan: basically, it's all the same machine, but with/without bluetooth, wlan, different-sized battery06:18
Mithrandirand so on.06:18
maswanMithrandir: Ok, not 25 different wlan types or something evil like that then.06:18
Mithrandirmaswan: you should possibly talk to mjg59 or thom, they both have it.06:18
maswanMithrandir: Ok.06:18
maswanMithrandir: I just rembered you talking about it. :)06:18
Mithrandiryeah, I'm probably going to buy myself one this fall-ish06:19
KeybukI think the x40 come with either of the Centrino ipw chipsets06:19
mjg59maswan: Only potential problem is choice of wireless card06:19
mjg59The Intel ones are supported06:19
thomthe current default wireless is ipw2100, which is supported and works06:19
danielsthe x40 comes with ipw2100 and atheros06:19
maswanOk, hmm, wonder if that means "IBM 11b Wi-Fi" isn't supported then. :/06:20
danielsmaswan: that's centrino also06:20
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maswandaniels: Ok. As in working?06:20
danielsmaswan: the x40 is love. i can highly recommend ordering one -- it's a satisfying experience.06:20
danielseven though I still want a bloody Powerbook.06:20
Keybukdaniels: have you ordered yours yet?06:20
danielsmaswan: I believe so, but not entirely sure06:20
Keybukugh, why would you want a Powerbook?  they suck06:20
maswandaniels: Well, I am ordering one for work tomorrow, that's why I'm curious06:20
Telepdaniels: don't we all :)06:20
danielsdon't make a buying decision based on me, else I'll feel guilty06:21
rcaskeydaniels: I like my G3 ibook ;)06:21
KamionKeybuk: feel the powerbook love06:21
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thomfeel the lack of wireless pain06:21
rcaskeySomeone should start doing aftermark button additions on pwoerbooks ;)06:21
maswandaniels: Well, "IBM 11b Wi-Fi" is the full specification on the cheap one. I guess I'll have to talk to someone06:21
Kamionthom: PCMCIA card, problems they go 'way06:21
thomKamion: yerk ;-)06:21
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ggiI was in a room of the maths department of my university for a refresher maths course for number-fearing computer scientists, and noticed that someone had written 'Ubuntu' on the blackboard, for no immediately apparent reason. Isn't that a nice story?06:21
danielsKamion: haw!06:21
Kamionit's not ideal, but it's not exactly a huge imposition06:21
KeybukKamion: feel the lack of pcmcia slot pain06:22
KamionKeybuk: only on 12" for tiny-laptop freaks06:22
thomggi: cool :-)06:22
Kamionthose of us who like bigger laptops are fine06:22
KeybukKamion: size queen06:22
KamionKeybuk: absolutely06:22
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dablitzis there a driver for the ati remote wonder 206:22
Keybuk12" is more than enough laptop for me06:22
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maswanMithrandir, mjg59, daniels, thom: thanks, I appriciate the info06:23
pojanyone here really good at programming?.I need help with something not compiling here yet in my other distro fedora ???06:23
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danielsmaswan: enjoy it :)06:23
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Keybukpoj: what's the error?06:24
pojKeybuk, can I pm u?06:24
pojthank you06:24
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dablitzis there a driver for the ati remote wonder 206:26
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zepohi every body, i have a graphical problem , sometimes the monitor freeze and become black, someone can help me?!?06:36
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punkassis much as i am really diggin' ubuntu, the power management for laptops is some what lacking06:39
Kamionpunkass: it depends on your laptop06:39
punkassthings like: sometimes the screensaver comes on, sometimes not06:39
elimhelp, i have open office version 1.12 and i can't get the spell checking to work, any ideas?06:40
punkasswhen u close the lid, sometimes the lcd comes on when u open it, sometimes it doesnt06:40
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punkassscreen saver mode kicked it, and the lcd went off = good, hit a key/mouse button and the screen doesnt come back = bad06:41
WWI just upgraded my kernel to, and X fails when I boot.  Is there a corresponding linux-restricted-modules- in the works?06:42
LeeColletonmy Thinkpad X30 will suspend but it won't wake up.  This is with ACPI support disabled and the apm module loaded06:42
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elimdid u update the xserver too?06:42
WWelim: I did (effectively) dist-upgrade (Mark All Upgrades, and Smart Update in Synaptic).06:43
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WWThe same thing happened the last time I changed the kernel and forget to get the restricted modules.  This time, I don't see a new package for the restricted modules.06:44
mxpxpoddoes the ubuntu gnome-panel have one of those gnome menu stripes like ximian has?06:45
punkassdoh now the laptops not powering down right06:45
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jonohi all06:46
jonoanyone know how to replace a windows boot sector with fdisk?06:46
Agrajagfdisk /mbr06:46
tsengwindows fdisk?06:46
tsengyeah, what he said.06:46
Agrajagbut if you're using NT you should prbably use fixboot and fixmbr from the recovery console06:47
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punkassah i see, it updated grub and overwrote menu.lst and took out my nolapic06:50
Kamionpunkass: there's a place you can put options that doesn't get overwritten when update-grub is called06:51
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Kamionit actually looks like a comment, the syntax is weird06:51
punkassoh, ok thanks...ill look in to it06:51
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loopback1First time user of an IRC so I am not certain what to do or the house rules. Please bear with me. I've just installed Ubuntu and am excited about it. I'd like to start off adding Java and Flash. But I'm not sure how to go about it. Can anybody point me in the right direction? Thanks.06:52
ggipunkass: This line: # kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro06:52
deFryskloopback1, download the jaba.bin from java.com06:53
deFryskor j2re.bin06:53
deFryskklick the download now! button06:53
deFryskand do not choose the .rpm.bin download06:54
deFryskjust the .bin download06:54
ggiloopback1: Look here: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian06:54
LeeColletonloopback1: you can get the macromedia flash modules from here: http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash06:54
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deFryskand what ggi said06:55
deFryskand what LeeColleton said06:55
rcaskeyhrmm, anyone here burned warty-ppc on OS X.3?06:56
rcaskeyDisk Copy seems to crap out with it06:56
rcaskeyburned other isos fine though06:56
Treenaksmaybe your disk is b0rked?06:58
LeeColletonloopback1: you have to run the installer program from a terminal with sudo, like this: sudo ./flashplayer-installer06:58
TreenaksI've noticed CD-R quality has been dropping almost to floppy levels lately06:58
LeeColletonApplications > System Tools > Terminal06:59
psiloopback1: firefox can install flash automatically when you encounter a flash animation06:59
TreenaksLeeColleton: it also works if you just click the 'install plugin' button in firefox..06:59
TreenaksLeeColleton: at least, that worked for me07:00
deFryskpsi, does that work ?07:00
TreenaksdeFrysk: yes07:00
deFryskwll java did not hehe07:00
deFrysktried that one07:00
Treenaksdon't even have to restart the fox07:00
LeeColletonTreenaks: Firefox always says "you need to install flash" so I figured it was broken and installed it manually07:00
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loopback1D**n! Quick reply. I'll check it out. I'll probably be back with more dumb questions. One other quick question. This is my first Debian distro. Can I download a debian package and the use apt-get to install it? I mean like: apt-get install (path-package).  Thanks.07:01
Kosailoopback1: You can use 'dpkg -i <filename>' for that.07:01
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Qo-noSloopback1: 'apt-get update && apt-get install package' will fetch the package you want along with its dependencies and dpkg does the actual installation with debconf taking care the configuration07:03
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LeeColletonzepo: just type the first few letters of someones nick and hit TAB 07:04
loopback1I've done a apt-cache search java along with many other combinations and nothing comes up. I figure I not keying it in correctly.07:04
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LeeColletonzepo: saying "my monitor goes black" isn't very descriptive.  Is it at random?  Does your computer shutdown or crash?  07:05
zepoi have a problem with my monitor...sometimes when i open some apps ...07:05
Treenakszepo: which apps?07:05
zepobecomes black and for that all the system freeze07:05
inklingxabout apt: how can one see the changelog of a new package?07:06
zepolike file .AVI07:06
zepoand for example07:06
Elfir3Treenaks: winxp :p07:06
TreenaksElfir3: :P07:06
zepo...when the screensaver start my monitor becomes black07:06
Qo-noSloopback1: besides the link that I gave you in pm there's another one here that might be of interest to you > http://jetblackz.cjb.net/ > scroll down to the one on Installing Java and making it work in Mozilla, Firefox, etc07:06
Treenakszepo: what kind of video card do you have?07:06
zepo... and a little bit after freeze the system07:06
zepook.. wait07:07
zepoVGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82830 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller]  (rev 04)07:07
zepothe computer is an Acer laptop07:07
TreenaksI'm not familiar with the Intel video chip..07:07
Qo-noSinklingx: apt-get install apt-listchanges07:08
merriamloopback1: searching "java" on ubuntulinux.org tells you why.  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387/view?searchterm=java07:08
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tardmacanyone here use ubuntu with amd64?07:09
LeeColletonzepo: I've noticed that my IBM laptop does that sometimes.07:09
zepoahh really interesting07:09
zepowe must resolve this problem07:09
loopback1Get off subject a bit, with the Gnome 2.8 that comes with Ubuntu I don't have a 'windows shade' with it. Love that option. Am I missing something. Is it somewhere else or is it missing? Qo-noS. thats for the link. I'm visting them all. 07:10
inklingxQo-noS: thx! 07:10
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deFryskloopback1, as soon as x.ors supports that stuff it wil be availabler in gnome afaIk07:11
merriamdeFrysk: he's talking about window shading -- nothing to do with fancy graphics07:12
Agrajagyeah, that hasn't been in metacity since gnome 2.407:13
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AgrajagdeFrysk: what07:13
Agrajagit has nothing to do with ms07:13
deFryskoh ?07:13
loopback1Yes, it comes with Gnome 2.4 and 2.6. I can fine it with 2.8. 07:13
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Agrajagit's the act of drawing up the window so it's just the titlebar07:13
LeeColletonzepo: I'm going to try something.. I'll be back07:13
merriamloopback1: if you want more features, including shading, try sawfish07:13
almostluckyhmmm. Totem doesnt seem to have any video when I play an avi, but there is sound07:14
loopback1Window shade is an option that allows one to draw up a window. You end up a a 'bar' where the window is. 07:14
Agrajagalmostlucky: totem-gstreamer or totem-xine?07:14
deFryskloopback1, oh i see07:14
Agrajagtotem-xine seems to work better but I still have that same problem sometimes07:15
deFryskyes it does not work07:15
AgrajagI ended up installing xine07:15
loopback1Thanks to all. I'll be back.07:15
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TreenaksI've found another bug :)07:16
almostluckyAgrajag, gstreamer07:16
almostluckyi will try xine07:17
Treenaksno, if I close the lid of my laptop the screen is blanked...07:17
Treenaksonly problem is: it's not un-blanked when I re-open the lid..07:17
merriamalmostlucky: restricted formats again.  you have to fetch restricted codecs.  ubuntu can't distribute them07:18
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almostluckymerriam, ah, that makes sense07:19
merriamTreenaks: turn off the blanking option in the bios.  there are often problems like that with energy saving.  blanking via the screensaver probably still works07:20
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Treenaksmerriam: that doesn't seem to be it.. it's different..07:21
merriamwhat's different?07:22
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dablitzi have an 8139too nic and the system just will not install it, check kernel several times. hangs up on dhcp discover. any ideas07:23
Treenaksmerriam: I know the problem now.. my X server crashes if a window is mapped when the X vt is not active (i.e. it chvt'ed to vt12, as the blanker does)...07:23
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Treenaksif you press a button, xscreensaver awakens while X is still trying to do stuff, which crashes the X server before it can re-activate the monitor07:23
Treenaksabout 50% of the time07:24
Treenaksthe rest of the time you'll see the outline of the "password" window from xscreensaver and then a crashing X server07:24
LeeColletonzepo: try commenting out the module "dri" in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 07:24
LeeColletondo this by opening a terminal and typing: sudo /etc/X11/XF86Config-407:25
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LeeColletonzepo: discuss this in channel07:26
zepook... tnx a lot07:26
zepodoes it work??07:26
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LeeColletonzepo: sorry, that's  sudo vi /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 <ENTER>07:27
zeposudo or vi??07:27
LeeColletonthen go down to the line "dri" type: i <ENTER> # <ESC> :wq <ENTER>07:28
LeeColletonzepo: sudo vi /etc/X11/XF86Config-407:28
LeeColletonthe sudo command will run the next command as the superuser, who has permission to edit this important configuration file07:28
zepook..i try07:29
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LeeColletonzepo: good luck07:30
zepotnx :)07:30
LeeColletonoh, and you have to restart the X server after you edit this file by hitting <CTRL> + <ALT> + <BKSP>07:30
LeeColletonor just restart your computer07:31
zepodoes it work for u?!?07:31
LeeColletonIt worked the last time I had this problem.  But you have a different laptop than I07:31
LeeColletonClearly there are still problems with the graphical window server on Ubuntu.  This is the beta version07:32
LeeColletonI have a CompactFlash card that I want to mount every time I start up.  It has my encryption keys and whatnot.  I've added a line in /etc/fstab to mount /dev/hde1 on /mnt/cf with default options, but it doesn't automatically mount on system startup.  The "normal" hard drive partitions mount just fine.07:34
KamionLeeColleton: there are always problems with X :-/07:35
LeeColletonwhen I run 'mount -a' as root the drive mounts, but it doesn't mount on system startup.07:36
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Elfir3how is it possible to install gcc as the only available version is the source version ?07:36
LeeColletonKamion: I would really like to be able to suspend my laptop.  Which modules do I have to pull to make this happen?  Any suggestions?07:37
merriamTreenaks: nasty.  what X server?  proprietary?07:37
LeeColletonIt suspended okay when I was running debian sarge, but ubuntu hasn't successfully resumed once.07:37
tom_hi all .... i search some ubuntu for newbies channel ...........07:38
AgrajagElfir3: I installed gcc just fine. Did you enable the universe sources?07:39
Treenaksmerriam: xfree86, siliconmotion driver07:39
Elfir3Agrajag: no... how can i do it ?07:39
Agrajagedit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the universe lines07:40
merriami see.  not nvidia for a change07:40
tom_i have some trouble with install of waste,qtorrent,plugins for xmms07:40
Elfir3Agrajag: what should that do ?07:41
AgrajagThat would enable the universe package repository, which is unsupported but has a lot of packages that aren't in ubuntu07:42
Agrajagjust do an apt-get update after enabling it07:42
Agrajagand try installing gcc again07:42
Elfir3ok thanks07:42
zepoleocollecton:sorry at the DRI there's : Mode 0666 , i cancel this number and put # ?!?!07:43
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pmjdebruijnlo all07:44
pmjdebruijni'm a bit confused on the ubuntu dev process... will 4.10 only get security fixes, or will major updates be included along the way...07:45
Treenakspmjdebruijn: security fixes only I think.. 07:45
Treenaks(a bit like Debian :))07:46
pmjdebruijnis there a package list anywhere...?07:46
Treenakson the mirrors there's a files called 'Packages'07:46
Treenaksyou could also use apt-cache search to look for a specific package, or use synaptic to search07:46
vrlnis the ubuntu development branch (the one that is going to be opened after warty is released) going to have security support?07:46
Elfir3is there any compiler by default ? I dont have any .., and I must set it to cc to compile gcc :/07:46
TreenaksElfir3: read the FAQ on the site07:46
TreenaksElfir3: why would you want to compile gcc???07:47
AgrajagI just did apt-get install gcc and it worked fine07:47
pmjdebruijnElfir3, apt-get install gcc (make diff patch)07:47
Elfir3ah ok ! i didnt understant :)07:47
TreenaksElfir3: if you need <something>, apt-get install <something> will most likely just work.. otherwise, apt-cache search <something> :)07:48
pmjdebruijnapt is bliss... :)07:48
Elfir3understood ! ;)07:48
KamionLeeColleton: no idea, sorry07:48
KamionLeeColleton: some laptops just don't have suspend support implemented07:48
Kamion(like mine)07:48
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pmjdebruijnhmm i don't have ubuntu installed right now, i want to know if ubuntu includes dmraid...?07:51
Treenakspmjdebruijn: dmraid? is that software-raid over devicemapper stuff?07:51
Treenakspmjdebruijn: EVMS is included..07:51
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pmjdebruijnTreenaks, yes07:51
Treenaksdmsetup - The Linux Kernel Device Mapper userspace library07:52
Treenaksthat's supported..07:52
pmjdebruijnTreenaks, yeah i know...07:52
pmjdebruijnbut dmraid, detect the BIOS FakeRAID settings automagically...07:52
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Treenakspmjdebruijn: I think dmsetup is what you want07:52
makeioif i changed the ubuntu's sources.list instead of Debian Sarge ,I lost the gnome 2.8, or I have a lot of problems???07:53
Treenakspmjdebruijn: that's the device-mapper userspace stuff..07:53
pmjdebruijnyes... and I want to use my FakeRAID bios... dmsetup doesn't autodetect stuff..07:54
pmjdebruijnmanual software I can do...07:54
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Treenaksdmraid does not show up in my package list.. but are you sure that's not a kernel driver of some kind?07:55
pmjdebruijnit's not like ataraid in 2.407:55
pmjdebruijnmakeio, huh, you're not very clear... anyway don't mix debian + ubuntu...07:56
Treenakspmjdebruijn: don't know then, sorry..07:57
makeiojejejeje my english is very bad, sorry07:57
Treenaksmerriam: don't worry, we understand you..07:58
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merriami *am* english07:59
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merriamand Treenaks is presumably using xchat07:59
merriamah, irssi07:59
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makeioanother question, Ubuntu have support for VMWare in your kernel or must recompile for using virtual machines with ubuntu??08:01
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pmjdebruijnmakeio, no VMWare emulates 'normal' hardware...08:02
zepoleecollecton:i make changes as u said, but there's always the problem08:03
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tezemIs ubuntu directly connected to the debian package db?08:04
Treenaksmerriam: no I did m<tab>.. I meant makeio 08:04
Kamiontezem: not as far as users are concerned, but we do pull updated packages from Debian08:04
LeeColletonKamion: will rebuilding the kernel manually help with the apm suspend problem?  Why does it work with Sarge but not Ubuntu?08:05
merriami know08:05
KamionLeeColleton: our kernels differ somewhat; please file a bug in our bugzilla08:05
LeeColletonzepo: well, I don't know then.  Install debian?08:05
makeiopmjdebruijn, i don't understand you. I can use vmware in ubuntu vmware or i must recompile kernel first of all. :$08:05
LeeColletonKamion: thats buzilla.ubuntu.org ?08:05
punkass_iwconfig wlan0 essid <essid>                      iwconfig wlan0 key restricted <key>                       ifup wlan008:05
punkass_that should give me a connection right?08:06
pmjdebruijnmakeio, huh? please make good phrases... learn some english... watch a movie without subtitles... :p08:06
Treenakspmjdebruijn: ifup might reset those parameters -- look in /etc/network/interfaces08:06
pmjdebruijnmakeio, but... je can just install ubuntu in vmware, it should just work...08:06
pmjdebruijnTreenaks, huh?08:06
punkass_hmm ok08:07
Treenakspunkass_: ifup might reset those parameters -- look in /etc/network/interfaces08:07
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tezemKamion: Is a source based package management as a feature to the normal deb packages planned or possible to come in future?08:07
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pmjdebruijntezem, knowing the debian crowd, which is like the ubuntu crowd... probably not...08:07
defendguinim having a problem all of a sudden a lot of my gnome apps refuse to work08:08
defendguinlike the gnome-theme-manager08:08
Treenakstezem: "source based package management" ?08:08
Keybuktezem: our of interest, why do you want it?08:08
pmjdebruijntezem, take a look at www.pkgsrc.org or http://www.openpkg.org/, they work in linux i think...08:08
makeiothanks for all and excuse-me for all (and thankyou for the english class too)08:08
punkass_Treenaks: i just did a  iwconfig wlan0 essid <essid>        iwconfig wlan0 key restricted <key>         dhclient wlan008:09
Treenakspunkass_: and?08:09
punkass_it does a couple of DHCPREQUESTS08:09
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Keybukif you want to install packages by building them, you can: apt-get source -b PKG08:09
punkass_then some DHCPDISCOVERS08:10
Treenakspunkass_: you can use "wireless-essid" and "wireless-key" in /etc/network/interfaces for that btw.. so you can use ifup08:10
punkass_and no IP addy08:10
tezemI use Gentoo for years now so I've seen the good and bad side of this system and the bad side IMO is the time consuming installation. Therefore I asked this question.08:10
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Keybuktezem: what do you see as the good side?08:10
fluxyHello 08:10
Qo-noSI believe what tezem is asking is if it is possible in Ubuntu to e.g. 'apt-get -t experimental build-dep package' 'apt-get -t experimental --build source package'08:10
Treenakspunkass_: does your AP work? are you associated (iwconfig -> look at the output, is the channel right, etc.)08:10
pmjdebruijnKeybuk, customizability08:10
zepoleecollecton: maybe, installing debian could be the right thing to do!!!08:10
punkass_iwlist wlan0 scan shows me the AP08:10
Treenakspmjdebruijn: in what way? everything is already included..08:11
Keybukpmjdebruijn: it's certainly easy to do.  The archive contains all the source packages, and the client tools allow you to get and build the sources08:11
pmjdebruijnTreenaks, CFLAGS, ./configure options, patches onto those programs08:11
Treenakspunkass_: not scan.. just iwconfig... does it tell you it's associated with the AP08:11
zepoleecollecton:every thing is possible to set on debian?!08:11
Treenakspmjdebruijn: submit a bug, submit a but, submit a bug..08:11
punkass_no AP: all 0s08:11
pmjdebruijnTreenaks, huh? what that got to do with it?08:11
punkass_ESSID: off/any08:11
Treenakspunkass_: Access Point: <hex number, also found in iwlist scan>08:12
Keybukthere's also apt-build in universe which makes it even easier08:12
pmjdebruijni distribution not compiled with -march=athlon-xp isn't a bug08:12
KamionLeeColleton: URL's in the topic08:12
Treenakspmjdebruijn: because it only gives you 0.25% speed gain08:12
punkass_yeah in iwlist scan its the right MAC addy for the AP08:12
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pmjdebruijnTreenaks, depends on the application...08:12
Keybukpmjdebruijn: never compile on Athlon with -march=athlon; athlons run faster on code compiled for p4 (AMD made them that way)08:12
Treenakspunkass_: no, it should ALSO give that address in "iwconfig" output!08:12
fluxyHey people, I am just discovered Ubuntu and would like to have some info. Can you help?08:12
Treenakspunkass_: after "Access point:" 08:13
punkass_but iwconfig AccessPoint: 00:00:00:00:00:00:00:0008:13
Treenakspunkass_: no no no no no08:13
pmjdebruijnKeybuk, you sure? sounds a bit weird...08:13
punkass_iwconfig wlan008:13
pmjdebruijnhow could AMD have optimized for GCC -march=p4 when gcc didn't even have that option08:13
Keybukpmjdebruijn: yup, it's quite comical.  you forget that gcc really isn't that great an optimising compiler anyway08:13
Treenakspunkass_: just add "wireless_essid youressid" and "wireless_key yourwepkey08:13
Treenakspunkass_: to /etc/network/interfaces (without the "")08:14
Treenakspunkass_: then ifup eth008:14
Treenakspunkass_: then it should work..08:14
Keybukpmjdebruijn: they didn't optimise for gcc specifically, athlons just chew p4 code better because AMD made them do that to out-benchmark them08:14
tezemKeybuk: a tailored system and therefore faster. Also I think installation is more stable than installation in a binary package management but this is only my experience from my Linux Beginnings years ago.08:14
pmjdebruijnKeybuk, considering gcc run on just about every platforms it does a reasonably good job08:14
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Treenakstezem: try again with debian...08:15
punkass_Treenaks: no luck08:15
Treenakspunkass_: does it associate if you set the essid?08:16
punkass_just a bunch of DHCPDISCOVERS08:16
punkass_iwconifg  is shows  ESSID: off.any08:16
Treenakspunkass_: that's strange, you should fix that.. maybe you're not allowed to connect? (MAC address access list ?)08:16
punkass_no i setup the router...only restriction is WEP08:17
punkass_and i have connected to it before...few days ago...which is wierd08:17
tezemTreenaks: why you don't say ubuntu?08:17
Treenakstezem: because ubuntu is debian-based, and I still use debian a lot, and for me (as a sysadmin) it's basically the same...08:18
Treenaksjust different sources.list files..08:18
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hazmatwow, quite a lot of people here.08:19
tezemTreenaks: Somebody said here, that ubuntu not really uses the debian package db. Has ubuntu a seperate tree and merges packages from the original debian tree or how should i imagine?08:20
Treenakstezem: yes, that's true08:21
Treenakstezem: but apt-get and dpkg remain the same..08:21
Treenakstezem: and the packages are still very much alike08:22
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fluxy!! Can anyone who has used/ who is using Ubuntu tell me of their experience, if possible in private !!08:22
hazmatdoes the ubuntu ppc kernel do patching for orinco/apple drivers and wireless scanning ?08:23
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_brandx_is anyone working on a firefox "human" themes?08:23
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punkass_this enought to drive a guy crazy :)08:26
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defendguinim having some bad gnome problems :(08:34
axe9dotcomI doubt I can help...08:34
axe9dotcombut ask away, soemone's prolly lurking08:34
defendguinsome of the apps just wont show up at all08:34
defendguinand they arnt crashing08:34
defendguinthey just never show up08:35
Dr_Willisshow  up? you mean you run them from the shell and they spit out no errors? just dont run?08:35
|trey|defendguin: what Dr_Willis is hinting at is... tell us the error it spits out from a console  :)08:35
defendguinno output in the shell nothing on the screen08:35
defendguinjust sits08:36
Dr_Willisit hangs? or just returns with no errors?08:36
|trey|defendguin: wierdness... ps -e | grep <the_binary> , kill it, and try again08:36
|trey|defendguin: that usually fixes such things  :/08:37
|trey|defendguin: sometimes if something crashes, it won't remove itself from memory... :/08:37
Dr_Willisif it was windiows - you'd be asked to reboot.. :P08:37
defendguinit was happening last night and when i booted up this morning i had the same problem08:38
|trey|Dr_Willis: blah... right click task bar >> task manager >> processes >> kill it08:38
|trey|defendguin: you upgraded since? perhaps there is a fix for it?08:38
|trey|you even check bugzilla... if its through reboots... what I said won't help  :/08:39
defendguinive been keeping as up2date as i can08:39
|trey|ps, who the fuck reboots over night... insane08:39
|trey|up2date = redhat = DO NOT SAY IT08:39
defendguin|trey|, i use fedora on my desktop :-)08:39
|trey|defendguin: so? thats why they give you a plug  :/08:40
|trey|defendguin: you lose @ life08:40
defendguinnope its still not fixed08:40
|trey|defendguin: Core 3's LVM2 support is about the only nice thing about it... defaulting to use lvm2 is a good idea with gparted prolly about to get into GNOME...08:41
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defendguinubuntu seems to be much faster08:41
|trey|defendguin: blah... you just think it is...08:41
defendguinnot exactly sure why08:41
netvistunI have a very slow dns lookup08:42
|trey|ps... if fedora is your desktop... ubuntu is your server? wtf @ that08:42
defendguinmaybe gnome 2.8 is faster than 2.608:42
netvistunIt makes browsing painfull08:42
|trey|Ubuntu = a desktop  :/08:42
defendguinim using ubuntu on my laptop08:42
|trey|defendguin: no... firefox is faster then the standalone mozilla...08:42
|trey|defendguin: oh08:42
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defendguini use firefox on both boxes08:42
=== |trey| thinks its a disgrace that firefox ONLY JUST made it into Fedora :/
defendguinnah its been the fedora apt repositories for a while08:43
|trey|Thats pretty lame imo08:43
|trey|defendguin: I said IN FEDORA, as in not via external sources...08:44
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defendguinwhen FC2 was released it might have been as ready as it is now08:44
|trey|defendguin: I've been using it since it was called Firebird  :/08:45
|trey|Perfectly ok... :/08:45
defendguinsince phoenix08:45
tezemhmm there is #ubuntu.de and #ubuntu-de this is something confusing08:45
|trey|Never used it once via Phoenix... didn't like Java, so I kicked it  :/08:45
defendguinperfectly ok != better than mozilla08:46
|trey|tezem: most confusing thing: neither are official  :/08:46
defendguinalthough i think it is now08:46
|trey|defendguin: I have never liked mozilla-browser... think is bloated to all hell08:47
defendguinyes it is08:47
defendguinive been using epiphany08:47
|trey|used Konqueror before Firefox started paying attention to GTK themes08:48
|trey|Epiphany sucks... imo... Galeon08:48
defendguini never ever like Konq as a browser08:48
|trey|KDE was my favorate de for most of my Linux life  :/08:48
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soumohanyone who uses Eclipse under ubuntu here? I can't make it work :-(08:50
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|trey|Only since GNOME 2.6 have I really liked GNOME  :/08:50
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HcEsoumoh: :)08:50
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defendguinive been a fan since 2.008:50
defendguinbefore that it was kde08:51
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tezem|trey|: Somebody try to earn money for the channels ;-)08:51
|trey|tezem: doubt money... just a place hold is my guess...08:52
soumohkde is childish08:53
LeeColletonwhen the ubuntu installer autopartitions the drive, does it use lvm?08:53
soumohi can't stand KDEs UI08:53
cleesoumoh: "childish"?08:53
cleeugly, ok, that's opinion. "childish" though?08:53
|trey|I've liked GTK since GTK 2.x... GNOME though? eh... KDE has always been more customizable... I liked that... then I started playing with gdesklets  :)08:53
soumohclee - the look and feel looks like as if it were made for kids08:54
soumohclee - childish is maybe a bad choice of word...i can understand that08:55
|trey|clee: umm... Keramik, yes... Plastik is perhaps the best theme for a Linux desktop I have seen though... for a while, had gtk2-engines-gtk-qt in use here  :/08:55
cleesoumoh: well, as a guy who's been a KDE developer for the last four years, I can assure you that we don't make it "for kids"08:55
clee|trey|: dude, Keramik sucks balls.08:55
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soumohclee, Lycoris -- Linux is for everyone :-))) (including kids)08:55
|trey|clee: very much so... Plastik is what I used  :/08:56
soumohHcE, PARTY on dude...i made eclipse work under ubuntu!!08:56
defendguinhmmm i cant seem to uninstall samba08:57
HcEsoumoh: congrats :)08:58
defendguininvoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: /etc/rc2.d/K09samba08:58
defendguindpkg: error processing samba (--remove):08:58
defendguin subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 10208:58
|trey|defendguin: little more info... whats the prob08:58
defendguinwhats this mean?08:58
rcaskeyKeramik is less than awe inspiring08:59
|trey|defendguin: fix the symlink, then tell me again what it says08:59
defendguinfix it?08:59
KamionLeeColleton: no08:59
rcaskeyI kinda dislike how things changed during point releases in terms of theme08:59
|trey|rcaskey: we already came to the conclusion that keramik sucks, shush08:59
defendguini have no idea where it is supposed to be pointing08:59
|trey|defendguin: yes... link it to /etc/init.d/samba09:00
defendguinah ok09:00
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defendguinmuch better09:02
|trey|defendguin: its working now?09:03
|trey|defendguin: it helps to read errors ;)09:03
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rcaskey  /join #macosx09:03
defendguini read the error but not being used to apt errors i dont know what a dangeling simlink is09:05
|trey|defendguin: its not an apt error  :/09:05
|trey|its a dpkg error  :/09:05
defendguinwell i dont know them either09:05
Agrajagdefendguin: do you know what a symlink is to begin with?09:06
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|trey|dpkg deals with packages... apt deals with getting them  :)09:06
|trey|Agrajag: he said he didn't... guess he does now though  :)09:07
WWlinux-restricted-modules-  <---  Is this out yet?09:07
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mdzWW: it's on the way09:10
WWmdz: OK, thanks.09:10
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LeeColletonsometimes when I use <CTRL> + <ALT> + <ARROW> to switch windows the popup windowswitcher remains until I click somewhere with the mouse or hit a key.  This is kind of annoying.  Is there a way to stop it?09:11
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mdzLeeColleton: never seen that happen; sounds like it could be a bug09:12
defendguini think dhclient has a problem09:12
Agrajaghey who was asking about window shading in here?09:12
AgrajagBecause I found that you can enable it pretty easily09:12
LeeColletonmdz: it doesn't happen consistently, either09:12
defendguinwhen i boot up it tried to establish a link with my wireless router 09:12
Agrajagset a keyboard shortcut for it in the keyboard shortcuts applet09:12
LeeColletonthat's part of what makes it so maddening09:12
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defendguinbut it fails everytime09:12
mdzdefendguin: perhaps you need to set the network name/ESSID?09:13
defendguini have to do this by hand   iwconfig wlan0 channel 6 essid linksys mode Managed09:13
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defendguinmdz yes i think that would help09:13
mdzdefendguin: computer->system configuration->networking->properties09:13
mdzsounds like you need to set it to 'linksys'09:14
defendguinyeah i looked at that i never saw where it says essid on there09:14
mdzthat's bug #1295 :-)09:14
defendguini put the "network name" as "Home" because i thought i was just naming the profile09:15
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soumohhow can I make shortcuts on my desktop in Gnome 2.8?09:16
defendguinbut if "network name" == essid maybe they should put essid in ()09:16
Agrajagright-click > create launcher09:16
emawhich packages which will be installed by a default installation?09:16
|trey|soumoh: regular shortcuts just show up.. they just turned off home, and trash in ubuntu...09:17
|trey|ema: no one will name them all... try it and see  :/09:17
defendguinmdz, I also wish the network config app would let me set the channel09:17
mdzdefendguin: you should never need to set that except on an AP09:17
ema|trey|: aren't they choosen by a meta-package or similar?09:18
defendguini read it on a page and it has been working so i never questioned it09:18
|trey|ema: umm... they are set in the installer  :/09:18
Elfir3can so tell me how to know my kernel version ? (ubuntu 4.10), and how to get the source (I've already tried the last with apt get, the last from kernel.org, and the NVidia installer still thinks they arent right...)09:19
|trey|ema: they kinda simplified the installer... it asks you very basic questions, then just installs the OS...09:19
thomElfir3: are you on x86? just apt-get install nvidia-glx09:19
vrlnuname -r to see the kernel version, and to get the source apt-get install linux-source-yourkernelversion09:19
ema|trey|: yep, I've noticed it09:20
vrlnyou can search the apt-get file database with apt-cache search whatdoyouwantdofind09:20
defendguingonna reboot to see if this worked brb09:20
ema|trey|: the problem is that I've tried two installations this afternoon09:20
Elfir3thom: for the opengl version ? I also want to use 5.1 => nforce09:20
ema|trey|: the first one went fine09:20
soumoh|trey|, ok thanks09:20
ema|trey|: during the second one there were some problems and some packages failed to install09:20
|trey|ema: why'd you reinstall?09:21
ema|trey|: so I would like to complete the packages suite...09:21
ema|trey|: another machine :)09:21
ema|trey|: ah, sorry, I didn't get the question09:21
|trey|Ohhh... hmm... you can maybe try apt-get install ubuntu-base... not sure what that depends though  :/09:21
ema|trey|: ubuntu-base? ok, I'll try09:22
Elfir3thom: still not working ...09:22
tom_whats is with my compiler ?    onfigure:2231: checking whether the C compiler works09:22
tom_configure:2237: ./a.out09:22
tom_configure:2240: $? = 009:22
tom_configure:2257: result: yes09:22
tom_configure:2264: checking whether we are cross compiling09:22
tom_configure:2266: result: no09:22
tom_configure:2269: checking for suffix of executables09:22
tom_configure:2271: gcc -o conftest    conftest.c  >&509:22
tom_configure:2274: $? = 009:22
tom_configure:2299: result: 09:22
tom_configure:2305: checking for suffix of object files09:22
|trey|ema: wait, you have two boxen?   umm... dpkg -l | less on the one that finished good09:22
tom_configure:2326: gcc -c   conftest.c >&509:22
tom_configure:2329: $? = 009:22
tom_configure:2351: result: o09:22
tom_configure:2355: checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler09:22
tom_configure:2379: gcc -c   conftest.c >&509:22
tom_configure:2385: $? = 009:22
|trey|SOMEONE BOOT tom_ please09:22
tom_configure:2388: test -z  || test ! -s conftest.err09:22
thomtom_: install build-essential, bet you've not got libc6-dev09:22
Agrajagoh we needed to see all this09:22
ema|trey|: yep, it's obiouvs :) thx09:22
|trey|thom: dude... take him to #flood or someshit, thats annoying09:22
thom|trey|: agreed, i didn't ask him to flood :-)09:23
|trey|thom: bah, I still blame you  8-)09:24
tom_thx .... i red floods topic ;=)09:24
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu:|trey|] : flood
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu:thom] : Wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ | Lists: http://lists.ubuntu.com/ | Bugs: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ | Just Works: http://spamusement.com/view.php?id=81
tom_ok .... my waste works now, but some buttons doesnt work  ... add key, import key,etc09:25
|trey|thom: make me not be able to do that again  :)09:25
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tom_its all gtk2+ kind09:25
thomknuckles, even09:25
|trey|thom: I meant /topic #flood I think  :(09:25
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jonohi all09:28
|trey|jono: can we help you with anything?  :)09:28
jonojust popped on to say hi :)09:28
LinuxJoneshi everyone !!09:28
jonohi LinuxJones09:28
LinuxJoneshi jono. love LugRadio when is the next episode coming out ??09:29
jonoLinuxJones, cheers :) we are going to resume recording in a few weeks :)09:30
|trey|jono: wtf is lugradio?  :o09:30
jono|trey|, its a Linux radio show where basically chat about Linux in a very british way09:31
jonolots of swearing and sarcasm09:31
Keybukheh, I remember the comparitive "Join us now and free the software" songs :)09:31
|trey|jono: define "in a very british way"  :(09:31
jono|trey|, have a listen :) www.lugradio.org - its sarcastic, witty, on the spot and a bit controvertial at times09:32
jonoKeybuk, yeah - I did the metal version :)09:32
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KeybukI have no excuse for sblug now, though I could probably claim I couldn't find the building again :p09:34
jonoKeybuk, sblug?09:34
jonosouth birmingham lug?09:34
jonoKeybuk, do I know you?09:34
Keybukno, because I've never actually turned up ... other than the Jeff & Scott roadshow09:35
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jonoKeybuk, shit, I meant to go to that, but I was catching a plane at 4am from Liverpool to EuroFoo and decided I should pack - I mailed jeff about it - I was looking forward to meeting you guys09:35
defendguinhmmm i dont know what i have to do to make my wireless card work on boot up i keep having to run iwconfig and dhclient on boot09:35
jonodefendguin, you configured /etc/networking/interfaces?09:36
defendguini set the "Network name"09:36
Keybukdefendguin: check /etc/network/interfaces ... you should probably have something like "auto eth1" and "iface eth1 inet dhcp" in there09:36
Agrajag/etc/network/ not /etc/networking/09:36
tom_ok .. i'm not linux guru ... but error again     libmp4.c:506: error: parse error before '}' token09:36
tom_make[2] : *** [libmp4.lo]  Error 109:36
Keybukreplace eth1 with whatever curious name your wireless card goes by, if you need to09:36
defendguinid like to get the gui tool working if possible because i will probably have a few networks09:37
Keybukwe've not got a gui tool for that?  I think we're looking at heading towards something NetworkManager-y for hoary09:38
theantixKeybuk, I compiled novell's netapplet for Ubuntu -- works great09:38
jonohow can I reload the GNOME panel?09:38
defendguinthey have a network config in Computer --> System Configuration --> Netowrking09:39
Keybukdefendguin: heh, so we do ... I thought we disabled that :p09:40
defendguinit pretty much sucks09:40
defendguinat least for wirless09:40
defendguinthis network gui writes to /etc/network/interfaces file?09:42
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tom_hmmmmm 100000 errors    libmp4.c:71: error: parse error before "gshort"09:43
|trey|presumably... else it would be kinda useless  :/09:43
tom_its very hard , this ubuntu09:43
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defendguinwell i just saved that Profile and i dont see any profile name written in the interfaces files09:43
|trey|tom_: haha... don't ever try Debian or Slack then  ;)09:43
|trey|(I know, this basically is Debian, but its certainly vastly "simplified"  :/)09:44
tom_slack rulez09:44
|trey|defendguin: but its working?09:45
|trey|tom_: ok, you lose if you think Slack is easier then Ubuntu  ;/09:45
defendguinwell i would need to reboot agian to see if it works properly09:45
tom_i hant such trouble like with ubuntu,yoper,and other09:45
|trey|yoper was a terrible fad.... thank god they have pretty much disappeared  :/09:45
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tom_yoper suxx total09:46
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=== |trey| doesn't see how people are having so much trouble with Ubuntu... its easier to install and have working then Fedora imo :/
|trey|Maybe I'm just too used to d-i and debian?09:48
tom_sure.... ubuntu is really nice,stable,.... but for audio/video .... suxx ... 09:48
soumohTom - no...rocks for audio/video09:49
soumoheven rocks for wifi09:49
|trey|tom_: umm... both work here  :/09:49
tom_flac,ofs,ofr,aac,mp4 .... no luck. 09:49
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tom_torrent,waste .... suxx09:49
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tom_mp3 sure (only)09:50
|trey|what more do you need?09:50
tom_mp3 is nothing for me ... i'm audiophile09:50
|trey|tom_: I dunno man, maybe you're too 1337 for ubuntu  :/09:50
tom_lossless or other lossy codecs than mp3 (old suck)09:50
housetiertom_, maybe ubuntu wasnt meant for you :)09:51
tom_1337 ... waste LEET port ;=)09:51
tom_doesnt work for me09:51
tom_onto slack ... no trouble09:51
housetierwell use slack then09:52
housetierbe smart - don't bitch09:52
tom_i'm waiting for dropline ... for gnome 2.8 09:52
tom_really rulez09:52
|trey|tom_: ever played with xorph.org's FLAC codec?09:53
tom_no trouble on nforce 400 chip on slack09:53
|trey|tom_: no offence dude, you seem like a moron... have fun with slack  :/09:53
hazmatanyone here using ubuntu on a powerbook/ppc ?09:54
tom_mpc,ape,aac,rmvb,vp6..... all works09:54
|trey|tom_: cool... like I said... have fun... #slackware09:54
tom_maybe next ubuntu..... 09:55
|trey|tom_: maybe just stick with Slack!09:55
|trey|tom_: people like you aren't needed... or wanted... you appear to like Slack, go bother them09:56
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hazmatare the daily cd's useable/semi-stable or is better to go with a release for a first install?09:57
tom_i must say... ubuntu doesnt errors in install like slack.... but...if u make clean of errors ....all works 110 % with dropline09:57
|trey|hazmat: do a net install, it will use the most current packages anyway...09:58
hazmatokay, will do09:58
punkass_how do i find the mac addy of my wireless card?09:59
hazmatincidentally it would be nice if the public lists where advertised on lists.ubuntulinux.org 09:59
hazmatjust a mailman list flag09:59
LinuxJonespunkass_, ifconfig -a 09:59
mdzhazmat: best to go with a daily09:59
hazmatoh.. nevermind, i see the problem now09:59
punkass_doh..oh yeah09:59
ulmen|trey|: is there a small netinstall iso image everywhere? didn't find one when i installed ubuntu, so i had to wait long ages for the full image ;)09:59
|trey|hazmat: I have no say in that  :( 09:59
LinuxJonespunkass_, :D09:59
mdzthey're quite stable, and if you use an older snapshot you'll just need to download more10:00
mdzulmen: yes, there is10:00
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mdzulmen: but unless you're doing a custom install, it makes sense to download the full image, since it will install the full desktop set anyway10:00
|trey|mdz: the regular installer for ubuntu will allow you to do a netinstall... this is what I meant  :)10:02
ulmenyes right, never thought of that10:02
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mdzright, by default it will install from the CD where it is current, and get newer packages from the network10:03
defendguindoes the trash applet not empty trash for anyone else?10:03
LinuxJonesJeff are you here ??10:04
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|trey|defendguin: Trash is a hidden folder within ~/Desktop, so no  :)10:04
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defendguinthen why have the applet in the panel by default if it doesnt work?10:05
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defendguinmaybe its just that my gnome is sucking right now i cant even get a nautilus window to pop up10:06
|trey|defendguin: it does... it removes files from ~/Desktop/.Trash10:06
|trey|or ~/Desktop/.trash ... one or the other  :/10:06
defendguinnot for me it doesnt10:07
|trey|defendguin: hmm... wierd10:07
|trey|Well, in theory, thats what it does  :)10:07
defendguinhmmm maybe it just doesnt update its icon when it does so that i think it doesnt do its job10:08
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|trey|It won't remove stuff for other users though, only in YOUR home dir...10:08
LinuxJonesdefendguin, Try creating a new user and enter the account, a purge of gnome and re-install may be in order if it is still messed up. 10:08
defendguinyeah im gonna have to get a new user account this one seems hosed10:08
defendguinLinuxJones, great idea10:09
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LinuxJonesdefendguin, it's worth a try10:09
|trey|hmm... what I said about the location is wrong... I guess thats KDE  :o10:10
defendguindoesnt matter10:10
|trey|So now, a new question... where is GNOME's trash file?10:10
theantixtrey, ~/.Trash/10:11
|trey|theantix: yeah, just saw it... thanks  :)10:12
defendguinwill the new user i create be in the sudo file?10:12
|trey|defendguin: no...10:12
defendguinoh i ll just add him to the sudo group maybe that will do it10:12
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|trey|defendguin: first, just remove everything pertaining to gnome... its basically like creating a new user anyways... just log out and back in and the files will be recreated...10:13
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elimhow do i setup spelcheck on openen office?10:13
|trey|defendguin: pertaining to gnome... in your home dir10:13
elimhow do i setup spelcheck on openen office?10:13
defendguinok like .gconf and .gnome stuff 10:13
|trey|defendguin: yup10:13
haggaielim: install a myspell dictionary10:14
elimi have10:14
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haggaielim: in that case make sure that you have a link /usr/lib/openoffice/share/dict/ooo -> /usr/share/myspell/dicts10:15
defendguinubuntu has disabled browser mode?10:16
elimi tell a lie i have not but there is not one available for english on my arch (ppc) theres everything else though like bolgaian and sweedish etc..10:16
Agrajagdefendguin: browser mode in nautilus?10:16
theantixbrowser mode in nautilus works fine for me10:16
defendguinwhen i tried to switch the option was greyed out10:16
defendguini dont want to have to reinstall :((((((10:17
elimi have got the open office localiseation to english but thats all thats available that includes 'universe'10:17
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defendguintrying to logout didnt work properly10:19
theantixone usability quirk for the trashapplet... if you miss you end up with a very messy and cluttered taskbar10:19
UziMonkeydon't miss ;)10:19
elimit works fine on abiword though ***confused***10:20
theantixUziMonkey, indeed10:20
|trey|grr... when defendguin gets back someone tell him gconf: apps>nautilus>preferences first option "always_use_browser"10:20
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|trey|elim: abiword and oo.o are about as different as can be  :/10:22
|trey|thats like saying "but it works in emacs" or "but it works in MSWord" or something  :/10:22
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phin|worki need to learn vim10:24
phin|worklooks like its pretty good for coding10:24
|trey|phin|work: yes... handy tool10:24
|trey|phin|work: it's what it was designed for  :)10:24
phin|workya i think i will havta get me a nice book or something on it10:25
phin|worki cant figure it out myself10:25
|trey|phin|work: sure you can  ;)10:25
|trey|phin|work: man vim (or nvi) is a good place to start  ;)10:25
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phin|workya i was looking10:26
|trey|phin|work: + all the online tutorials  :)10:26
phin|worki just need to take the time i guess10:26
housetierphin|work, you could start in #vim, then run "vimtutor" and pay vim.org and vi-improved.com a visit10:26
defendguinwhen i tried to log back in from gdm it just hung after it accepted my password10:26
housetierphin|work, the rest comes with practice and a little patience10:26
phin|workthanks for the tips10:26
|trey|defendguin: gconf: apps>nautilus>preferences first option "always_use_browser"10:26
LinuxJonesdefendguin, did you create a new user or delete gnome related files ??10:27
defendguini dont need browser10:27
|trey|defendguin: thought you said you wanted it? :/10:27
defendguini was just wondering why the option was greyed out10:27
defendguinLinuxJones, deleted gnome files10:27
|trey|Ohh... I don't even know where the option is in the tool itself :/10:27
LinuxJonesdefendguin, try creating new user it will take 10 seconds to find out :D10:28
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defendguini created a new user already10:28
LinuxJonesdefendguin, it didn't work either ?10:28
|trey|LinuxJones: I'm guessing it did based on the fact he is back  ;)10:29
defendguini havent tried logging into that user10:29
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defendguini tried deleting gnome files from ~/10:29
LinuxJones|trey|, do0es he still have the same problems tho ?10:29
|trey|k, imma shut up now  :/10:29
makeiohi, what is Gecko10:29
defendguini figured out why the trash can was having a problem10:29
|trey|makeio: Mozilla's HTML renderer10:29
defendguin/home/supe...apper.mod" cannot be deleted because you do not have permissions to modify its parent folder.10:30
|trey|cool... fixed  now?10:31
defendguinwell thats fixed10:31
phin|workanyone know which package has libtiff?10:31
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|trey|seems illogical, but if its fixed, its ok  :)10:31
defendguinnow to see if gnome-theme-manager works10:31
makeioi can't download anything because when i cklik in the link computer doesn't works and only gecko are in my screen10:31
|trey|phin|work: no idea... it always comes along with either gimp or ImageMagick here  :/10:32
|trey|look at those packages deps  :/10:32
makeiohow i can to desable gecko??10:32
defendguinwoo freaking hoo it works10:32
LinuxJonesphin|work:  libtiff4 ??10:32
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|trey|makeio: umm... gecko is NEVER "in your screen"... its invisible to the user  :/10:32
|trey|makeio: perhaps you mean mozilla?10:32
defendguinnow im happy :-D and when i rebooted this past time it found my homenetwork on the first try without me having to do anything 10:33
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|trey|defendguin: yay  :)10:33
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|trey|axe9dotcom: whats wrong?10:33
axe9dotcomWhy doesn't musicplayer save play lists10:34
makeioi use mozilla firefox but when i click in a link popup a gecko litle windows istead of download the link 10:34
|trey|deFrysk: welcome back  :)10:34
axe9dotcomwhy does it keep crshing10:34
makeioexcuse-me my bad english10:34
|trey|axe9dotcom: umm, rhythmbox? it does, on exit... if it didn't exit via a crash  ;)10:34
axe9dotcombut like every 5 mins it crashs10:34
axe9dotcompissign me off >.>10:34
|trey|axe9dotcom: bah... try Fedora's w/ mp3 support  :/10:35
|trey|axe9dotcom: mines been running for about 28 hours, constantly playing... likely to crash soon, but hasn't yet :)10:35
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|trey|axe9dotcom: word of advise... when creating play lists... EXIT WHEN YOU HAVE IT RIGHT... then open it back up and commence listening  :)10:36
|trey|I think I mean advice?10:37
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Agrajagyes, you do10:37
|trey|I thought so  :)10:37
axe9dotcomNOW I know that...10:37
|trey|axe9dotcom: about a year of Rhythmbox experiance (mainly shoutcast playlists though) talking  :)10:38
axe9dotcomI was making a really long one so I could write my paper w/o stopping to put on new music.. I had like 210 songs T_T10:38
|trey|axe9dotcom: hahha... I mean... I'm sorry  :)10:38
defendguinwhy did ubuntu go with OOo instead of abiword/gnumeric??10:39
axe9dotcomthat doesnm't show up great with this font...10:39
axe9dotcomback to wriging ^^10:39
|trey|defendguin: because OOo is kinda a standard... and no major companies are supporting Gnome Office  :/10:40
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defendguini noticed but OOo really blows on this laptop10:40
|trey|defendguin: yeah... I've kinda been praying for them to split it up since the first time I used it... never happens though... I check for it with every release :/10:41
defendguinmajor companies are supporting it for its use on linux no one much cares about its windows users10:41
axe9dotcomGod I hate reading James Agee >>10:42
|trey|defendguin: no... no major company supports abiword/gnumeric... trust me10:42
defendguin|trey|, i agree10:42
defendguini was talking about OOo10:42
|trey|defendguin: ok... then I don't get the point of your comment?10:43
|trey|No company but Microsoft supports that platform... its kinda why people are leaning towards GNU/Linux these days  ;)10:43
defendguinim saying OOo should stop worrying about being cross platform and concentrate on the major weakness in linux. speed!! 10:44
|trey|defendguin: blame sun... staroffice is one huge mass of code too  :/10:44
defendguinand stop eating up all my available ram10:44
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ghenthi, what is the main language used here ?10:45
LinuxJonesdefendguin, how much ram do you have on your laptop ?10:45
ghentnevermind :)10:45
|trey|defendguin: being cross platform has nothing to do with it though... its java  :/10:45
|trey|ghent: the one you're using  :)10:45
Kosaighent: There are separate IRC channels for Spanish and German(?).10:45
defendguin|trey|, move from java to something faster10:45
|trey|defendguin: not quite that easy dude  :/10:46
ghenti have little problem with my ubuntu, ipw2200 (my driver for my wifi card) went crazy taking all my cpu, is there a more violent wait to kill it than "kill -9"10:46
defendguin|trey|, i dont think major corporations care about it being fast at all because their computers are fast enough10:46
LinuxJonesdefendguin, is it slow in general or just startup. You should have lots of ram to run OO decently unless your cpu is like really old.10:46
AgrajagIt's not as if it's all java anyway10:46
AgrajagI don't even have java installed10:46
defendguinLinuxJones, 350 mhz10:47
|trey|We wouldn't see a single release for about 5 years if they decided to actually attempt to port OOo from java to C and GTK  :/10:47
LinuxJonesdefendguin, ouch!!10:47
|trey|Agrajag: because you have OOo already compiled  :/10:47
AgrajagI don't think any amount of tuning is going to make any program as large as OOo run decently on that10:47
theantixif you have the ram but are annoyed with the startup times, OpenOffice runs a lot better if you run the quickstarter (ooqstart-gnome in universe)10:47
defendguinLJ you would be surprised how qick gnome is on it10:47
Agrajagtreyh0: I built it in gentoo, I remember seeing lots of gcc output, not java10:47
|trey|Agrajag: there is a java binding for gnome... OOo uses it afaik10:47
tom_ok ....i'm not linux guru, but i can play ofr,ofs (lossless) in my xmms10:48
defendguinAgrajag, abiword work just fine10:48
ghenti answer to myself, unloading the module works fine :)10:48
Agrajag|trey|: yes, but it's not necessary10:48
Agrajagdefendguin: yes, then use that10:48
defendguinproblem is i need power point compat10:48
AgrajagI'm saying that making OOo run denctly on your system is not a matter of Sun cleaning its code up10:48
LinuxJonesdefendguin, you should increase the ram that's allocated to OO graphics cache. By default it is horrible low 10:48
defendguinand that isnt quite there yet10:48
|trey|Agrajag: umm... OOo = java... trust me on this  ;)10:48
defendguinLJ how?10:49
tom_because .... i did removed xmms via synaptic and installed new from source ;=)10:49
|trey|Agrajag: I already said how to fix it... need to break the parts up... OO.o is one huge mass of code... thats why it takes up so much ram  :/10:49
LinuxJonesdefendguin, Options >> Open Office >> Memory it's set tp 9mb by default set it to like 30 megs.10:49
housetierso because java used to be slow, and OOo is slow, Ooo must be written in java10:49
ghentis there a little howto on porting a debian package to ubuntu ?10:49
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defendguinthat will improve startup time?10:50
Agrajag|trey|: and that would make it run decently on a 350 mhz with 192 megs?10:50
zenwhenI am written in java.10:50
Agrajagsup zenwhen10:50
Agrajagmore like zenmen10:50
|trey|housetier: no... OOo just IS wrtten in java  :/10:50
housetierI don't trust anyone who says java is slow10:50
|trey|Agrajag: better then it does now...10:50
LinuxJonesdefendguin, you can also try installing ooqstart-gnome to help it's start time dramatically10:50
cleejava GUIs are atrociously slow.10:50
Agrajagtrey: then why, when I built it in gentoo, did I see all that g++ output?10:50
cleejava itself is not.10:50
|trey|housetier: I didn't say java was slow... I said OOo is a mass of code, and that it is written in java...10:50
zenwhentrey: its c++10:50
defendguinhmmm thanks10:50
Agrajagcrap, class time10:51
LinuxJonesdefendguin, sure thing10:51
|trey|zenwhen: ummm... since when?10:51
zenwhensince forever. Where did you get this zany idea that it was written in java?10:51
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cleeit does use some java stuff, yes.10:52
cleeit is not written in java though.10:52
cleeOOo is mostly C++10:52
cleewhich is one of the reasons why it's very difficult to make it integrate properly with GNOME/GTK10:52
clee(not being done in C...)10:52
zenwhentrey: its written in c++, almost exclusively.10:53
zenwhenNothing important has ever been written in java.10:53
phin|worksigh, cant find xlibs anywhere on the ubuntu ftp site :-(10:53
|trey|grrr... ok... any way... it would be a lot faster if the parts were seperated out... then you wouldn't basically be loading the entire suite just for writing a text doc  :/10:53
cleezenwhen: maybe not "important" but Eclipse is Java.10:54
cleezenwhen: So is Project Looking Glass.10:54
LinuxJonesphin|work, I have a listing for them10:54
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phin|workwell i cant use apt so i need to download em and install manually10:54
phin|workdo you know where they are located?10:54
defendguinLinuxJones, so this will just hurt my gnome-panel startup time now while it loads part of OO?10:54
|trey|which rhymes... coincidence?10:54
LinuxJonesdefendguin, yes unfortunately that's the tradeoff :(10:55
defendguinwe will see10:55
defendguinhmmm not that bad10:55
LinuxJonesphin|work, why sin't apt working for you ?10:55
phin|workno internet10:56
defendguinbut i think it got rid of the ooo splash screen10:56
LinuxJonesphin|work, ahh10:56
phin|workso i gotta download stuff and burn to a rw and install10:56
LinuxJonesphin|work, let me have a look10:56
|trey|phin|work: sounds painful  :/10:56
phin|workya its temp10:57
phin|workim waiting on my wifi10:57
phin|workso i figured i would set it up while i wait10:57
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|trey|No internet = useless mass of metal :)10:57
|trey|hmmm... you answered my ponderence  :)10:58
|trey|bah... no network = useless mass of metal*10:59
LinuxJonesphin|work,  here you go >> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xfree86/10:59
phin|workthanks alot buddy! :)11:00
LinuxJonesphin|work,  np man GL :D11:00
|trey|phin|work: I really advice holding out on installation untill you have internet... you are unlikely to install the default package set, which is actually a nice set of packages   :)11:00
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|trey|Hmm... or the actual install CD would work.. it has the packages too  :/11:03
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phin|worktreyh0: i used the install cd11:04
phin|workit didnt have em11:04
|trey|stange  :/11:05
|trey|It should... surely xpdf depends xlibs?11:05
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|trey|nope... guess not... wierdness  :/11:06
phin|workits ok11:06
|trey|its installed here though... wonder where I got it from  :o11:06
|trey|phin|work: word of advice... all apt repo's have a pool dir where packages are stored in that mannor (ordered by first letter etc) always look there first  :)11:08
phin|workyes i did11:09
calci found something interesting11:09
phin|workjust couldnt find exactly where it was11:09
calcthe kernel that fedora fc3t2 x86_64 uses works fine with CONFIG_PCI_MSI so either they have more needed fixes for the kernel, or it may be something else11:09
calcwrt bug 181411:09
|trey|calc: I couldn't even get a netinst of fc3r2 to work  :(  kept b0rking at one package  :/11:11
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joh_is it possible to get totem-gstreamer to play divx/xvid?11:12
|trey|They need to work harder on their images/boot.iso image if they want more people to help test etc... I refuse to install 4 huge ISO's  :/11:12
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defendguinLinuxJones, the quickstarter works nicely11:12
LinuxJonesdefendguin, ya it speeds things up nicely11:12
calc|trey|: ah i didn't realize they had a netinst image11:12
|trey|calc: they always do... they usually work too  :/11:13
|trey|calc: Ubuntu is the first full ISO I have downloaded in like 2 years  :)11:13
calci already found a bug in their install, it lets you select your lcd size but then doesn't show the resolution to pick from, at least in the 1280x800 case 11:15
|trey|calc: only just over 4 MB's though... such an annoying size  :(11:15
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|trey|calc: I don't have an LCD screen  :(11:16
|trey|Lucky git  :)11:16
calc|trey|: installed it on my laptop since debian pure64 and ubuntu amd64 don't work11:16
|trey|calc: :(  I will be trying FC 3 when its released... I have pretty much given up on the test's though...11:17
|trey|Mainly to play with LVM2 in a functional state... and to see how annoying/useful SELinux is11:18
axe9dotcomHow by chance do I install the spell check for OpenOffice Writer?11:18
defendguintest releases are a ness11:19
|trey|defendguin: FC 1 and 2 was fine after test2  :/11:19
defendguini never tired them to find out11:19
|trey|defendguin: then how can you comment?11:19
defendguini think i tried FC 1 test 1 and gave up after having tried test release for RHL 8 and 911:20
defendguinive had my fill of test releases11:20
defendguinits all a waste of CDs11:20
|trey|defendguin: like I said... test1's are always a mess... test2's have generally been fine for me till now  :/11:20
|trey|this is ot though  :/11:20
axe9dotcomYeah, if someone could enlighten me to the method of installing the moduals related to OpenOffice.org applications? IE, how thehell do I isntall spellcheck?11:20
|trey|defendguin: blah... I waste one CD... still got about 43957436 more  :/11:21
defendguinaxe9dotcom, IT SHOULD BE THERE BY DEFAULT11:21
axe9dotcomit's not11:21
defendguinim very sorry for the caps11:21
|trey|axe9dotcom: check bugzilla... its the same for everyone  :/11:21
axe9dotcomit is?11:21
defendguinaxe9dotcom, my ooo has a little button on the side for spellcheck11:21
axe9dotcomsame here11:22
|trey|defendguin: click it... it doesn't work  :/11:22
axe9dotcombut it doesn't do anything11:22
defendguinoh lol11:22
axe9dotcomand if you use the one in tools11:22
|trey|I typed random text, and apparently it was a word  :/11:22
defendguini havent types anything to notice11:22
defendguinjust reading documents11:22
axe9dotcoman error window comes up, saying"11:22
|trey|axe9dotcom: I got no error message... it just said it was done checking  :/11:22
axe9dotcom"error excecutig the spellcheck:11:22
|trey|surely hdsagjksahgjkhfsajkghfjdghjagahjgsahajkgjfdag isn't a word though?  :o11:23
defendguinthe ubuntu release is a test release isnt it?11:23
|trey|defendguin: yes11:23
defendguinor a pre release11:24
defendguinwhen is the final planned?11:24
|trey|defendguin: its a Preview Release  ;)11:24
|trey|defendguin: umm, the end of the same month Fedora is due... thats all I remember  :)11:24
|trey|There is a release schedule someplace  :/11:25
axe9dotcomEnglish (USA) is not currently supported, or is not presently active. Please check your installation, and if neccesary, install the required language modual. Or, activate it under Tools > Options > Language SEttigns > Writing aids.11:25
defendguinyeah i saw it but i dont remember11:25
LinuxJonesFirst release of Warty si scheduled for October11:25
|trey|axe9dotcom: umm... dpkg-reconfigure locales11:25
|trey|LinuxJones: end of October  :)11:26
|trey|Fedora is due on the first or something  :/11:26
LinuxJones|trey|, ya that's it11:27
|trey|LinuxJones: ps, you mean First release of Ubuntu  ;)11:28
LinuxJones|trey|, ya 11:28
Kamionwell, it's the first full release of warty too. :)11:28
|trey|Warty Warthog is like Tettnang  :/11:28
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|trey|Kamion: its not the first, its the only  :/11:29
|trey|first implies there will be more  :/11:29
Kamionwell, there'll be security updates for at least 18 months11:30
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Kamionit's arguable whether those count11:30
axe9dotcomWhich locals shall I add?11:30
|trey|New review to report  :)  http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1651228,00.asp11:31
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axe9dotcomis there a hotkey to go between workspaces?11:33
mdzaxe9dotcom: ctrl+alt+<left> and <right>11:34
axe9dotcomyay ^^11:35
axe9dotcomnow to fix spellcheck11:35
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|trey|Like OSX, it wisely uses sudo rather than root to execute commands as the superuser.11:36
|trey|I didn't know that?11:36
LinuxJonesaxe9dotcom, if you get it fixed would you post to the wiki, it's a common problem :D11:36
|trey|grrr... thats a pretty shitty review though  :/11:36
|trey|wtf? ctrl+alt+tab seems wierd  :o11:38
|trey|Shouldn't you be able to enter a menu using that?11:39
theantixtrey, alt-f1 for the menu11:40
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|trey|hmm... I was just trying to find that... thanks... kde's is just f2  :/11:40
|trey|Could prolly change that though  :)11:41
Kamion|trey|: reasonably positive, would like to know what kind of wireless setup they had so we can fix that11:41
axe9dotcomI doubt I'll fix it on my own =_=11:41
phin|workis there a way to mass untar a directory?11:42
piotr_where i can get mplayer packages?11:42
axe9dotcomdamnit.. now I have to learn how to spell >.> 11:42
phin|worki have 30 tar files in a dir11:42
axe9dotcomCURSE YOU OPEN OFFICE!11:42
phin|workthe gkrellm theme pack11:42
phin|workis there a way to have em all extract in one command?11:42
SleepBOBI use abiword11:42
|trey|Kamion: their rambling about VPN kinda bothered me... and stating their favorate is Libranet... editorial preferences are not welcomed for me in a review...11:42
SleepBOBit has spell checking11:42
|trey|SleepBOB: aren't you special  :)11:43
SleepBOBand it approximately 71,425 times faster than OOo11:43
|trey|SleepBOB: doesn't help with fixing the OOo issue though11:43
Maydayphin|work: for WOOP in `ls -1 *.tar.gz`; do tar zxvf $WOOP; done11:43
mdz|trey|: I thought that review was quite positive11:43
phin|worki'll try!11:43
SleepBOBit helps to work around it, but yeah it is an issue11:43
|trey|mdz: it curtainly wasn't negative... just too much personal preference expressed imo  :(11:44
LinuxJonesaxe9dotcom, OO.o spell checking fixed, Open >> /usr/share/myspell/dict/DicOOo.sxw in Open Office and follow instructions !!11:45
|trey|That should definatly be fixed before release  :)11:47
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|trey|Shouldn't that default to locales setting?11:48
mdzthat's hoary material11:48
mdzfor Warty, it'll get the English stuff installed11:48
|trey|mdz: seems like warty is just kinda a "hey look, we're a new distro" kinda release  :(11:49
Kamion|trey|: it's called warty 'cos it'll have warts11:49
|trey|I think if the first incarnation as good as it can be though, it will sour users...11:49
|trey|Kamion:  :)11:49
Kamionit's not quite as bad as "hey look, we're a new distro"11:49
|trey|Kamion: considering all the things planned for Hoary though, I personally feel like that a delay in the release would have been warrented...11:51
|trey|Releasing so close to Fedora, Ubuntu has major competition for attention...11:51
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Kamion|trey|: we felt releasing close to GNOME 2.8 was worthwhile. With the number of distributions around now, you can't avoid clashing with somebody else.11:52
KamionAnyway, if we only released when it was perfect, what would we do for the release after that? :)11:52
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|trey|Kamion: but surely clashing with the second most popular (according to Distrowatch) can't be a good idea?  ;)11:52
cleeKamion: heh.11:52
|trey|Kamion: make all the new packages perfect  ;)11:53
defendguinKamion, releasing so close to gnome 2.8 helped so much with people wanting to try gnome 2.8 ut not wanting to use one of the build tools :-)11:53
Kamion|trey|: can't win 'em all, and we're going to come up against them sooner or later11:53
Mithrandir|trey|: why does it matter?11:53
TelepI agree with Kamion - I probably wouldn't have heard of Ubuntu if it wasn't for Gnome 2.811:53
Telepsorry, I meant I agree with defendguin11:54
LinuxJonesKamion, do you know jeff's email address offhand ?11:54
|trey|Mithrandir: Just seeing so much that might not be up to scratch in Warty... primary reason for installing was to play with the features in Hoary...11:54
MithrandirLinuxJones: jeff.waugh@canonical.com11:54
LinuxJonesMithrandir, thanks11:54
|trey|Hoping that they would be at least present in Warty  :/11:54
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Mithrandir|trey|: well, you'll see a lot of them in hoary, then. ;)11:55
|trey|Mithrandir: but thats 6 months away... and pool/hoary isn't even being populated yet :(11:55
Mithrandir|trey|: it will be once warty is out11:55
|trey|Mithrandir: pretty much thinking I will be using that right away  :)11:56
Mithrandir|trey|: we want to concentrate on making warty as good as possible; opening up hoary would just distract us at this point.11:56
|trey|Mithrandir: hopefully x-window-system-core will have sufficient depends and conflicts to not majorly break X  :)11:56
Mithrandir|trey|: it should have, yes.11:56
Mithrandirif not, it's a bug and should be fixed. :)11:57
mdzKamion: back?11:58
|trey|Mithrandir: I'm not really complaining, Ubuntu certainly has promise, I just think that maybe displaying the planned features for Hoary is unfair  :)11:58
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Mithrandir|trey|: it's not a showoff, it's a wiki, and partly a wishlist, though11:58
|trey|Mithrandir: I understand that... however at least one person used that to determin whether he would give Ubuntu a shot  :(11:59
mdz|trey|: you expected the hoary features to be present in Warty? :-)11:59

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