[12:01] <defendguin> linux_mafia, for some reason now i can ping my router
[12:01] <defendguin> still i am not able to browse
[12:01] <linux_mafia> defendguin, whats in your /etc/resolv.conf
[12:02] <defendguin> its blank
[12:03] <linux_mafia> defendguin, well theres the problem
[12:03] <defendguin> well im glad you know
[12:03] <defendguin> its been a long while since i have had this many problems with netowrking
[12:04] <linux_mafia> defendguin, it should contain the line nameserver <ip-of-your-router/ap/gateway>
[12:04] <defendguin> hmmm
[12:05] <defendguin> i could put it there 
[12:05] <defendguin> but i dont know if i should
[12:06] <linux_mafia> defendguin, why not, you can always delete it
[12:06] <defendguin> whats the syntax i should use
[12:06] <defendguin> just put the ip of my router nothing else?
[12:07] <linux_mafia> no
[12:07] <linux_mafia> just the following
[12:07] <linux_mafia> nameserver <ip>
[12:08] <linux_mafia> |trey|, i think .dev is to do with udev, but its just a hunch
[12:08] <defendguin> the router isnt running DNS
[12:08] <Knio1> could someone help me install ndiswrapper?
[12:09] <defendguin> Knio1, linux_mafia just showed me some great instructions
[12:09] <defendguin> working so far
[12:09] <linux_mafia> defendguin, ok, well in my case its the ip of my adsl router, since it gets its ip from my isp, you will need to adapt that to your situation
[12:10] <Knio1> this is what ive done so far: http://h4xn3t.zapto.org:8080/ndis.txt
[12:10] <defendguin> i can just use the 192.168.1.1
[12:10] <linux_mafia> defendguin, which is what? 
[12:10] <defendguin> Knio1, dont use that deb you still have to build the source
[12:10] <Knio1> argh
[12:11] <defendguin> you will need kernel-headers
[12:11] <Knio1> i'll need to download those right?
[12:11] <defendguin> you might allread have the tar.gz on your box
[12:11] <linux_mafia> man i need a ciggy
[12:11] <mdz> Knio1: they're on the CD, linux-headers-`uname -r`
[12:11] <defendguin> the deb puts the file somewhere
[12:12] <defendguin> horray we have Wireless
[12:12] <mdz> Knio1: or, you colud wait until tomorrow, when a new kernel with ndiswrapper in it should be available by default
[12:12] <defendguin> thank you linux_mafia
[12:12] <linux_mafia> defendguin, working?
[12:12] <linux_mafia> defendguin, no worries dude
[12:12] <defendguin> linux_mafia, give Knio1 that link you gave me
[12:13] <Knio1> mdz: that could work
[12:13] <calc> is there any way to disable GSI interrupts?
[12:13] <defendguin> for those instruction not the app
[12:13] <calc> i'm not certain but i have a feeling its causing a problem
[12:13] <linux_mafia> defendguin, just one more step on my journey to being a guru, hahaha
[12:13] <WW> Hey folks: The next time someone asks how to add the universe repository, point them to question 10: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions .
[12:14] <mdz> |trey|: /.dev is the old, static /dev directory
[12:14] <linux_mafia> Knio1, http://tiefighter.et.tudelft.nl/~arthur/wpc54g/
[12:14] <linux_mafia> mdz, so its to do with udev?
[12:14] <mdz> linux_mafia: correct
[12:15] <linux_mafia> im on fire today, heh
[12:15] <mdz> when udev starts, it bind-mounts /dev at /.dev so it can still be accessed, and then mounts over /dev
[12:15] <linux_mafia> defendguin, i think i'll put that link on the wiki
[12:15] <defendguin> yes
[12:15] <defendguin> also ndis would be a good idea to have in the distro
[12:16] <Knio1> linux_mafia: i've got a WMP11v4
[12:16] <linux_mafia> Knio1, and?
[12:16] <Knio1> would that be the same?
[12:17] <linux_mafia> Knio1, its not a hard and fast thing, use your initiative, adapt the instructions to your situation
[12:18] <linux_mafia> damnit i think i'll have to make a cig out of butts
[12:18] <|trey|> mdz: I thought /sys was what udev used now?  I take it everything in /sys is linked to /.dev then?
[12:18] <|trey|> mdz: ps, thank you :)
[12:18] <mdz> |trey|: /sys is sysfs, which is where udev gets the information it uses to create device nodes
[12:19] <noda> Debian has a "java-package" package... is there anything similar for Ubuntu? Or should I mess around with apt and download the Debian one?
[12:19] <|trey|> mdz: oh... ok... that kinda clears it up then  :)  thank you
[12:20] <mdz> noda: it will be available in ubuntu 'universe' soon
[12:20] <|trey|> noda: huh... wtf is java-package?  there is java-common etc... umm, apt-get.org, search for j2re
[12:20] <calc> appears to be a problem between acpi and gsi
[12:20] <theantix> anyone have an idea why I'm running kernel 2.6.8.1-2-386 but it's not available to download an image or headers like that?
[12:20] <calc> maybe 2.6.9 will solve the issue, it has some more acpi fixes
[12:20] <noda> |trey|: You download a java ".run" from Sun and run make-jpkg on it, and it gives you a .deb :)
[12:20] <|trey|> mdz: that rules  :)  universe is something I have wanted for a long time afaict  :)
[12:20] <tvon> theantix: I don't think the headers need the arch info, but I could be wrong
[12:21] <tvon> oh no, I'm wrong
[12:21] <noda> mdz: Cool! How soon is "soon"? I'm in no big rush but it'd be nice to know :)
[12:21] <|trey|> noda: oh... never cared make a java package myself  :/
[12:21] <mdz> noda: should be this week
[12:21] <noda> mdz: Awesome :)
[12:21] <noda> mdz: Ubuntu rocks my world :)
[12:21] <|trey|> noda: I knew about kernel-package... sounds simular :/
[12:21] <mdz> java-package is in Debian contrib, and Debian contrib hasn't been imported quite yet
[12:21] <linux_mafia> noda, i used the debain proper one, followed these instructions, works a charm for me
[12:21] <noda> |trey|: I loathe it. Absolutely loathe it. But you gotta do what you gotta do in school :)
[12:22] <linux_mafia> ahhhhhh i called it debain
[12:22] <linux_mafia> http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php
[12:22] <|trey|> noda: so far... I am still waiting on the stuff for Hoary... if they make it easy to upgrade and include everything hoary is listed as including... it will be pretty much my dream distro  :)
[12:22] <noda> Yeah, no kidding. The distro everybody's always wanted :)
[12:23] <|trey|> noda: I use java... I just use others packages though... don't need java for much  :/
[12:23] <|trey|> noda: seriously  :)
[12:23] <linux_mafia> noda, apart from compilation (read gentoo fanatics) and kde nuts, heh
[12:24] <noda> linux_mafia: Debian lets you compile everything you want. Gentoo fanatics have just never tried it :P
[12:24] <|trey|> linux_mafia: eh... apt-get -b source pkg  :/
[12:24] <theantix> oh duh.... the Ubuntu main kernels are "linux-*" while the debian ones are "kernel-*" -- a bit confusing if you don't know that
[12:24] <linux_mafia> noda, i know, but why would you bother
[12:24] <noda> linux_mafia: Exactly :)
[12:24] <linux_mafia> well there are certain situations
[12:24] <linux_mafia> but in general
[12:24] <noda> In the ideal world I'd never need to compile stuff :)
[12:24] <noda> (oh, except for whatever I'm hacking)
[12:25] <noda> I wonder if my teachers would let me use Java 1.5...
[12:25] <noda> Erm, "j2sdk 1.5"
[12:25] <linux_mafia> man i need to learn to program
[12:25] <|trey|> and don't say "overnight upgrades"...
[12:26] <noda> |trey|: I know exactly what you mean. I tried Gentoo once. I kept it for about 8 hours -- that is, until about 30 minutes after it finished installing :P
[12:26] <|trey|> My computer rarely finished a compilation before I woke up  :/
[12:26] <noda> Then I tried another distro that was ready in under an hour :)
[12:26] <UziMonkey> |trey|: which is why I switched..  I was avoiding things that had a lot of deps.  If I had a really fast machine, gentoo would be better, but I don't, so...
[12:26] <|trey|> noda: bah.. to get a working desktop... my record is like 4 days  :/
[12:26] <noda> UziMonkey: But that's the whole point -- it *wouldn't* because what would be the point in compiling yourself if you have a really fast computer? :)
[12:26] <linux_mafia> i heard when gentoo finishes its final compile its like saying the 6 million true names of god, and the world will end
[12:26] <WW> Hey linux/debian/ubuntu gurus, I have a commercial program (Maple) that needs this shared library: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2.  According to debian.org, it is in "oldlibs".  Is there an easy way to get this in ubuntu?
[12:27] <tvon> WW: goto packages.debian.org and do a search for 'oldlibs' in 'testing' and download it/install it
[12:27] <|trey|> WW: apt-get install it
[12:27] <UziMonkey> noda: no, the point is that software is too bloated!  I should be able to compile a complete, full featured desktop system on my 486 in under a minute damn it.
[12:27] <tvon> |trey|: its not in ubuntu
[12:27] <noda> lol
[12:28] <|trey|> UziMonkey: umm... dude, that would not include a single feature  :/
[12:28] <|trey|> tvon: add 'universal' to the end of your sources.list repo's (NOT security though)
[12:28] <noda> Nah, we just need a really really REALLY fast compiler ;)
[12:29] <|trey|> tvon: failing that... add a deb repo without main
[12:29] <mdz> WW: that library is several years obsolete; it has been removed from Debian
[12:29] <mdz> you can still find it in the woody release, but it is gone in sarge
[12:29] <|trey|> noda: on a 486, there is no such thing as "fast"  :/
[12:29] <UziMonkey> oh good, I'm done with openoffice, I can have my RAM back
[12:29] <mwh_> anyone know why gpdf is not the default pdf viewer in ubuntu?
[12:29] <UziMonkey> mwh_: that's in the FAQ, no?
[12:30] <mwh_> realy, ill take a look
[12:30] <mdz> yes, it is
[12:30] <mdz> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[12:30] <WW> mdz: Ah, progress...
[12:30] <UziMonkey> has anyone been having trouble with DHCP not setting resolv.conf correctly?  or at all?
[12:30] <|trey|> bah... xpdf is ugly  :(
[12:30] <mdz> WW: it can't even be built anymore; that's why
[12:30] <crimsun> UziMonkey: dhclient?
[12:30] <UziMonkey> (or dhclient, I should say)
[12:30] <|trey|> distro's should stop including native X apps  :/
[12:31] <mdz> WW: is there no newer version of Maple available?
[12:31] <mwh_> I did not have a look in the wiki, but it is not here, where I looked: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqfolder_view
[12:31] <|trey|>  GNOME 2.8's version of gpdf is available in universe. We decided to ship xpdf for WartyWarthog instead, as gpdf doesn't support text searching and Type3 fonts. It should do by the time we release HoaryHedgehog with GNOME 2.10.
[12:31] <WW> mdz: Yes, there is, and I'll get it eventually.  Just wanted to see if I could get working that version that I have now.
[12:31] <noda> Ooh, xpdf supports text searching? nice :)
[12:32] <crimsun> UziMonkey: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=171797
[12:32] <|trey|> noda: I can't look at the interface long enough to use text searching though  :/
[12:32] <mwh_> |trey|: I can read, anyways I installed gpdf, it worked for some time, but during an upgrade it suddenly stoped working :(
[12:32] <noda> |trey|: You're not the only one :P
[12:32] <UziMonkey> thanks crimsun
[12:33] <calc> wow ubuntu amd64 is really screwed up
[12:33] <crimsun> UziMonkey: np
[12:33] <|trey|> mwh_: *shrug* I figured you were lazy cuz you said "I did not have a look in the wiki".... my mistake  :/
[12:33] <calc> once it gets to second stage about to install packages it just completely falls over
[12:33] <mwh_> |trey|: np
[12:33] <mwh_> |trey|: hmm gpdf works on one of my computers but not the other sigh
[12:34] <|trey|> mwh_: heh, I love odities  8)
[12:34] <|trey|> especially when things just magically start working... it makes me smile  8)
[12:35] <|trey|> hmm, wonder how popular this channel will get when Ubuntu is actually released  8-)
[12:35] <Mais|AFK> any ideas why i cant the apt-get to dl the lists form the universal list (includes unsupported pacakages)
[12:36] <|trey|> 170 people for a test release isn't bad at all  :)
[12:36] <noda> |trey|: lol, no kidding :)
[12:36] <chutwig> Mais: that rather depends on what errors you're getting
[12:36] <mwh_> I like ubuntu so much for being distributed on only one cd-image
[12:36] <tvon> Its gonna get huge
[12:36] <|trey|> Mais: apt-get update... and there isn't a "universe" for security...
[12:36] <chutwig> yeah, some lists are missing
[12:36] <Mais> ^
[12:37] <Mais> I'm tryin to get the nvidia-glx pacakage
[12:37] <calc> anyone happen to know why when not using init=/bin/sh ubuntu wouldn't be able to find even /bin/sh
[12:37] <|trey|> mwh_: *shrug* I hate actual CD installers... netinst's are so much nicer... reinstalls are more current  :)
[12:37] <Mais> but it still doesn't find it after adding the commented out lines in sources.list
[12:38] <|trey|> calc: not everyone is as rich as you, and thus don't have an AMD64 box yet... stop making us jealous  :)
[12:38] <mdz> (running Ubuntu quite happily)
[12:38] <goatboy_> calc: dunno, it's working fine for me.
[12:38] <mwh_> |trey|: if there is not then its great :)
[12:38] <calc> mdz: its acting very very odd
[12:38] <WW> Speaking of xpdf... Does it have a full-screen mode?
[12:38] <calc> dmesg | less doesn't even work right
[12:38] <Mais> my 64bit works fine
[12:38] <chutwig> Mais: you ran apt-get update, right?
[12:38] <Mais> despite minor video setbacks
[12:38] <Mais> chutwig - yea
[12:39] <Mais> "Some index files failed to download..."
[12:39] <|trey|> mwh_: idgi
[12:39] <mdz> |trey|: the Debian amd64 port project
[12:40] <|trey|> Mais: SECURITY DOESN'T HAVE UNIVERSE, I just told you that... 
[12:40] <LeeColleton> how do I enable apm on my thinkpad X30?
[12:40] <Mais> |trey|: yes I heard you...
[12:41] <|trey|> Mais: ok, then delete that word from the end of the security repo's and try again  :/
[12:41] <Mais> its not on the security lines
[12:41] <mwh_> argh gpdf just spits out a lot of bonobo assertion failures .. sigh
[12:41] <|trey|> Mais: then check spelling  :/
[12:42] <Mais> yea heh
[12:42] <Mais> ok
[12:42] <Mais> gtg
[12:42] <|trey|> Mais: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe NEW LINE deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted is all mine contains...
[12:42] <|trey|> BAH @ HIM
[12:42] <mwh_> LeeColleton: bios could be a place to look
[12:42] <mwh_> bbl
[12:43] <mdz> LeeColleton: boot with acpi=off and modprobe apm
[12:43] <noda> Because I'm such a sucker for punishment, I'm tempted to try out X.org. Is there an easy way to try it on Ubuntu? :)
[12:43] <srbaker> anyone know the command in aptitude to tell it "delete everything that got installed to satisfy this package's dependencies" ?
[12:44] <srbaker> i installe dxfce4 with the xfce4 package, an di want to remove all of xfce now
[12:44] <mdz> noda: daniels has packages; they'll be going in soon after Warty releases
[12:44] <noda> Sweetness :)
[12:44] <WW> (Answering my own question: RTFM.  The xpdf man page shows the -fullscreen mode.)
[12:44] <mdz> srbaker: aptitude remove <package>
[12:45] <|trey|> just never got used to it though  :/
[12:45] <srbaker> oh, cool
[12:45] <srbaker> kick ass!
[12:45] <srbaker> thanks!
[12:46] <|trey|> srbaker: the joys of making dependencies work for you  :/
[12:46] <srbaker> yeah, that's awesome
[12:46] <cvd> hi people, can anyone point me to some info about universe? I only installed the latest cd-iso and then replaced the line in sources with the one in the wiki...
[12:46] <almostlucky> when I try to print, my printer promts me to load A4, yet my printer is configured (via the gnome gui) for Letter. Any ideas?
[12:46] <srbaker> i just wanted to try xfce4, that was beautiful
[12:46] <cvd> but i hear universe has more packages?
[12:46] <srbaker> so aptitude remove <package> removes a package and everything that it depends on that isn't depended on by any other package, right?
[12:46] <noda> almostlucky: I noticed that there are *two* drop-downs for paper size in the GNOME UI. Have you changed both?
[12:46] <|trey|> almostlucky: dpkg-reconfigure docbook I think...
[12:46] <noda> (one under 'Paper', one under 'Advanced' I think)
[12:46] <almostlucky> noda, yes
[12:47] <almostlucky> |trey|, I'll try that
[12:47] <|trey|> almostlucky: no, not that... 
[12:47] <noda> Okay, well, instead of trying X.org I'll install binary ATI drivers for my laptop :)
[12:47] <|trey|> umm... damnit, I don't recall what package configures system paper size  :(
[12:48] <|trey|> noda: ATI is apparently set to really push their drivers on Linux  :)
[12:48] <noda> |trey|: Yeah, but they've been saying that for ages :/
[12:48] <noda> ATI's drivers suck on *Windows*, why would they be any better on Linux :)
[12:48] <|trey|> noda: oh... well I just read an article about it on linux.org  :/
[12:48] <noda> ditto
[12:48] <almostlucky> |trey|, It is dpkg-reconfigure libpaper1
[12:48] <almostlucky> for future ref.
[12:48] <|trey|> almostlucky: k, thanks  :)
[12:48] <noda> I hate binary-only drivers, too :(
[12:49] <|trey|> almostlucky: its a dep for something else... thats why I wasn't sure  :)
[12:49] <noda> Actually, I should just be content with the drivers I already have. They do everything I want. Why do I want to break my laptop... :)
[12:50] <|trey|> noda: cuz breaking things (and thusly fixing it) is fun  :)
[12:50] <noda> I guess. I used to do that all the time :)
[12:50] <noda> Now I'm just procrastinating. Not only do I have to code in Java, but I have to develop a GUI using netbeans. How painful!
[12:50] <|trey|> noda: gets kinda boring when you break something on purpose though  :(
[12:50] <|trey|> cuz then you know what you did  :(
[12:50] <noda> |trey|: lol
[12:52] <linux_mafia> defendguin, what was your card again, just doing the wiki
[12:53] <defendguin> Linksys WPC11 ver 4
[12:54] <defendguin> make sure to include the info on the editing the resolv.conf
[12:56] <defendguin> now im gonna have to set a WEP key and screw up my working setup :(
[12:57] <sri> yay, I got everything working
[12:58] <soumoh> anyone here who uses eclipse as ide?
[12:58] <soumoh> java ide that is
[12:58] <soumoh> have trouble making eclipse 3 to work under ubuntu
[12:59] <linux_mafia> defendguin, please look at http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/HardwareSupport?action=show at the bottom
[12:59] <defendguin> wow they had 100 updates on apt. how long has ubuntu been up?
[01:00] <linux_mafia> defendguin, it look ok? clear enough
[01:00] <defendguin> very nice
[01:01] <calc> i'm pretty sure the problem i am having is that CONFIG_PCI_MSI is enabled
[01:01] <calc> and there is no way to disable it at boot time afaict
[01:01] <defendguin> now i have to figure out how to get graphic acceleration if it is possible
[01:02] <defendguin> i dont think i have a chance
[01:03] <noda> defendguin: There's a howto on the wiki, looks easy
[01:03] <cardador> defendguin: yes, look at the howto
[01:04] <linux_mafia> defendguin, sweet
[01:04] <defendguin> lol
[01:04] <defendguin> not for my card
[01:05] <linux_mafia> yay, my first little contribution back to ubuntu, i feel all warm and fuzzy, heh
[01:07] <sri> elmaya: oh man, hte reason the splash screen is hanging is because your audio doesn't work (eg esd..sheesh)
[01:07] <elmaya> sri,  i know
[01:08] <defendguin> wow the next release is gonna have 11 test releases?
[01:08] <defendguin> whoops 12
[01:08] <elmaya> 12?
[01:09] <defendguin> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryHedgehog_2fReleaseSchedule
[01:10] <noda> What's with the "Array" everywhere?
[01:10] <noda> Buggy PHP?
[01:10] <mdz> noda: no
[01:10] <mdz> Array : Hoary :: Sounder : Warty
[01:11] <noda> Ah :)
[01:11] <noda> What do those mean? :)
[01:11] <mdz> FAQ :-)
[01:11] <sri> elmaya: I only found out now now that sound work s:)
[01:12] <soumoh> hello
[01:12] <soumoh> if i add something to my .bash_profile do i have to restart for the changes to take effect?
[01:13] <JanneM> you can run "source .bash_profile"
[01:13] <soumoh> heh
[01:13] <soumoh> source: command not found
[01:13] <JanneM> huh?
[01:14] <JanneM> that is a built-in command in bash
[01:14] <soumoh> see:
[01:14] <soumoh> mohammed@proust ~ $ sudo source .bash_profile
[01:14] <soumoh> sudo: source: command not found
[01:14] <JanneM> no
[01:14] <JanneM> no sudo
[01:14] <soumoh> ok
[01:14] <soumoh> ah
[01:14] <soumoh> that worked thanks a lot
[01:15] <JanneM> np
[01:15] <soumoh> JanneM, got experience with eclipse (IDE)? can't make it work :-(
[01:15] <JanneM> no
[01:15] <JanneM> never tried it
[01:16] <soumoh> i've tried mandrake and fedora...works nice on those distros
[01:16] <soumoh> seems to be a ubuntu bug really
[01:19] <HcE> soumoh: your nick look very familiar ;)
[01:19] <HcE> and the problem too
[01:21] <soumoh> HcE - i was here about two hours ago
[01:22] <HcE> :)
[01:22] <HcE> I've been busy making my GPU hot ;)
[01:22] <gangas> when i apt-get epiphany, it says "bonobo couldnt locate the GNOME_EPIPHANY_Automation.server file"
[01:22] <gangas> what should i do next
[01:23] <defendguin> hmmmm im not used to debian apt and im using synaptic i am trying to update about 150 packages on ubuntu and ive had this massage displayed for a while now 
[01:24] <defendguin> Extracting templates from packages: 100%
[01:24] <defendguin> Preconfiguring packages ...
[01:24] <soumoh> HcE - when you instead should helped me..hehe..jk!
[01:24] <soumoh> should be helping me that is
[01:24] <HcE> hihi
[01:24] <HcE> was busy fraging in ET
[01:24] <soumoh> hehe
[01:25] <soumoh> that's OK
[01:25] <HcE> just checking that my nvidia driver "was working" ;)
[01:26] <soumoh> HcE, what kind of gfx do you have?
[01:26] <HcE> ti4200
[01:27] <soumoh> old :-)
[01:27] <HcE> my fastest ;)
[01:27] <defendguin> im being very paitent but i dont see any harddrive activity
[01:28] <HcE> soumoh: i also have a matrox G200, a matrox G400MAX and a fireGL 9000 in my laptop
[01:28] <soumoh> :-)
[01:28] <mdz> defendguin: that phase should not take very long at all
[01:28] <soumoh> i remember G200
[01:29] <soumoh> that was a great 2D card for looping towards 3dfx voodoo cards
[01:29] <defendguin> mdz, even for 150 packages?
[01:29] <mdz> defendguin: even for 500 packages
[01:29] <mdz> (which is approximately what it installs by default)
[01:30] <mdz> defendguin: which packages did you install?
[01:30] <defendguin> i was just updating
[01:31] <soumoh> if anyone here who runs eclipse 3 under ubuntu tell me
[01:31] <Se7h> remind me
[01:31] <Se7h> where is sources.list ?
[01:31] <mdz> defendguin: look in the System Monitor, View: All Processes, and look for dpkg-preconfigure
[01:31] <mdz> Se7h: /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:31] <defendguin> mdz, i cant recall all the package names
[01:31] <Se7h> danke
[01:33] <soumoh> how can i make my pc-speaker to shut up? without using force
[01:33] <HcE> hehe
[01:33] <HcE> soumoh: xset b 0
[01:33] <defendguin>  7000 pts/0    S+     0:00 /bin/sh -c /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true
[01:33] <HcE> soumoh: put it in your .xsession
[01:33] <defendguin> mdz, i grepped for it
[01:33] <soumoh> ahh
[01:33] <soumoh> nice
[01:34] <soumoh> that worked
[01:34] <Se7h> can someone tell me what is the syntax for the sources.list ?
[01:34] <Se7h> i want to add ftp://ftp.telepac.pt/pub/debian/ to it
[01:34] <soumoh> HcE, hate to tell you..but i'm a unix newbie..where is .xession located?
[01:35] <defendguin> 7001 pts/0    S+     0:06 /usr/bin/perl -w /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt
[01:35] <mdz> defendguin: the important bit is the children of that process
[01:35] <mdz> ps axf
[01:35] <HcE> soumoh: $HOME/.xsession
[01:36] <soumoh> HcE,  bah...:-)
[01:36] <HcE> soumoh: I use it when I log into X
[01:36] <HcE> it fires up openbox for me
[01:36] <Se7h> anyone ?
[01:36] <defendguin> mdz, i dont see any children
[01:36] <tseng> i start openbox via gnome-session
[01:36] <cardador> Se7h: i wouldnt do that
[01:36] <Se7h> y ?
[01:37] <cardador> Se7h: dont mix regular debian sources with ubuntu
[01:37] <defendguin> i guess 7001 is a child of 7000 though
[01:37] <soumoh> HcE, don't have a file called that...just .xession-errors
[01:37] <Se7h> hmm
[01:37] <Se7h> ok
[01:37] <HcE> soumoh: that's because you're running Gnome, I bet there are som config in Gnome to shut up the speaker
[01:37] <cardador> Se7h: but if you want to, you can just use synaptic to do ti
[01:37] <cardador> it
[01:37] <mdz> defendguin: strace -p 7001
[01:38] <Se7h> i would like to
[01:38] <cardador> Se7h: click on settings, repositories, new
[01:38] <Se7h> but if it has problems with it
[01:38] <soumoh> .gnome?
[01:38] <Se7h> better not
[01:39] <defendguin> mdz, Process 7001 attached - interrupt to quit
[01:39] <defendguin> read(12,
[01:39] <mdz> hmm
[01:39] <HcE> soumoh: I bet you have to go into some GUI and shut of the PC speaker
[01:49] <jeedee> anyone experienced a problem with grub+amd64 iso?
[01:50] <jono> hi all
[01:52] <mdz> jeedee: no
[01:52] <defendguin> mdz, got the email?
[01:53] <mdz> defendguin: no
[01:53] <jono> mdz, thanks for the answer btw, gonna write them up now
[01:53] <mdz> jono: great, will you make your deadline? ;-)
[01:53] <defendguin> mdz, it hasnt bounced back to me
[01:54] <mdz> jono: let me know if you need clarification on anything; I'll be checking back from time to time
[01:57] <defendguin> mdz, ok i sent it again. im going to kill aptitude for the moment
[01:58] <jono> mdz, cheers, I should make it - hopefully :D
[02:00] <defendguin> apt seems to work when i tried to install a few packages
[02:07] <calc> now i see why people hate bugzilla, i have always used it with heavily modified versions i guess
[02:08] <jono> mdz, you still there?
[02:08] <|trey|> calc: you working for ubuntu also? if so, what you working on?
[02:09] <calc> |trey|: no but i was going to report a bug, but it seems to be a pita to do it
[02:09] <calc> i currently can't even install ubuntu on my system since the kernel is messed up
[02:11] <|trey|> calc: :(  what are you having difficulty with (with bugzilla)
[02:11] <|trey|> (can't help much in relation to amd64  :/ )
[02:11] <calc> when you file a bug it doesn't tell you what to type for item
[02:12] <calc> and has no way to search for items to file against
[02:12] <calc> at least afaict
[02:12] <|trey|> calc: search for bug is not helpful?
[02:12] <defendguin> anyone used an ipod with ubuntu yet?
[02:12] <calc> kde's bugzilla has an entire frontend to work around that problem i guess
[02:12] <vasi> are the mailing lists searchable anywhere? i'd like to find out if anybody else has had a problem i'm seeing
[02:13] <defendguin> mdz, got the email?
[02:13] <maswan> calc: file a bug against bugzilla saying that you can't figure out how to file bugs properly?
[02:13] <calc> |trey|: i suppose you can look in the search component list and then copy it into the new bug report page
[02:13] <calc> but its a pita :)
[02:14] <calc> maswan: i thought i knew how, i didn't realize stock bugzilla was so shitty
[02:14] <|trey|> calc: dunno what pita means  :(  its a new project... someone prolly just threw it up for now just to make bug reports possible  ;)
[02:14] <calc> pita = pain in the ass
[02:14] <|trey|> I coulda figured that out  :/
[02:15] <|trey|> calc: I dunno, I've used stock bugzilla before... never KDE's though, maybe you are just used to their tweaks  :)
[02:15] <maswan> calc: Well, I'm happily filtered by the debian BTS to upstreams bugzillas. One of the reasons I usually only file bugs against the debian packages, even if I find a bug in pristine code on a totally different platform.
[02:15] <calc> |trey|: yea their's brings up a list of components to file bugs against
[02:16] <|trey|> calc: surely you can make pretty good guesses (sounds like "kernel" would be pretty close to what you are wanting..)
[02:16] <|trey|> its a pain, but yeah, maybe recommend to someone that they should fix it after Warty  :)
[02:17] <maswan> calc: I _think_ I managed to file a bug fairly right in the gnome bugzilla, with help from the maintainers to say what to write where and so on. :)
[02:17] <calc> bugzilla is dead
[02:18] <|trey|> maswan: calc is hopefully a little more skilled then you... sole kde maintainer for a while  ;)
[02:18] <calc> i submitted the bug and it spit out a email this page to dave page back
[02:18] <maswan> |trey|: yes
[02:18] <|trey|> calc: maybe your prayers got answered faster then you might have thought  :)
[02:18] <calc> it appears sendmail is missing on the box
[02:19] <|trey|> calc: you mean /sbin/sendmail  ;)  postfix is what is prolly used  :)
[02:19] <justdave> what's it doing?
[02:19] <|trey|> maswan: good plan  :)
[02:19] <calc> |trey|: it just says "Can't open sendmail";"
[02:19] <lamont> calc: as root: newaliases
[02:19] <calc> along with some other stuff i don't think would be good to paste it all here
[02:20] <justdave> ok, lamont's idea doesn't work.
[02:20] <justdave> or I have the syntax wrong or something
[02:20] <calc> justdave: undef error - syntax error at Bugzilla/BugMail.pm line 871, near ""Can't open sendmail";" Compilation failed in require at Bugzilla/Template.pm line 376. 
[02:20] <lamont> justdave: what exactly did you tell it to do?
[02:20] <justdave>         open(SENDMAIL, "|/usr/lib/sendmail $sendmailparam -t -i -f bugzilla-daemon\@bugzilla.ubuntu.com" ||
[02:20] <lamont> it's /usr/sbin/sendmail, for starters...
[02:20] <justdave> you said to add the From address with -f to get it to use that for the envelope sender
[02:21] <|trey|> That looks complicated  :o
[02:21] <lamont> although we deliver a symlink
[02:21] <justdave> it's been using /usr/lib since we installed it eons ago and it's worked :)
[02:21] <lamont>        f sender
[02:21] <lamont>               Set the envelope sender  address.  This  is  the  address  where
[02:21] <lamont>               delivery  problems  are  sent to, unless the message contains an
[02:21] <lamont>               ErrorsTo: message header.
[02:22] <lamont> what's in $sendmailparam?
[02:22] <justdave> empty string
[02:22] <justdave> it can be -ODeliverMode=Deferred, but that's disabled because it's sendmail specific and we're using postfix :)
[02:23] <lamont> justdave:  I just sent you mail with: /usr/lib/sendmail -t -i -f bugzilla-daemon@bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[02:23] <justdave> calc: try it again see if the error message changed
[02:23] <justdave> (it'll probably still error, but might give a more useful error now)
[02:23] <lamont> probably need to have \ in front of the @
[02:24] <lamont> since perl != sh
[02:24] <justdave> or maybe not...
[02:24] <justdave> there is a \ in front of the @ :)
[02:24] <lamont> the mail I sent was from a terminal in bash...
[02:25] <calc> justdave: undef error - syntax error at Bugzilla/BugMail.pm line 871, near ""Can't open sendmail: $@ $!";" Compilation failed in require at Bugzilla/Template.pm line 376. 
[02:25] <lamont> justdave: did you get the mail I sent you?
[02:25] <justdave> yeah, the $@ was supposed to expand to the returned error
[02:25] <justdave> lamont: yep
[02:26] <lamont> wonder if it's bitching about the $sendmailparam?
[02:27] <lamont> the other alternative is to have the admins add a sender_canonical map to map whatever it shows up as into what it needs to be..
[02:27] <lamont> but -f should do it just fine...
[02:27] <justdave> ok, got it.
[02:27] <bob2> |trey|: pong?
[02:27] <lamont> bbiab
[02:27] <justdave> I accidently nuked a paren when I added the -f
[02:27] <justdave> my stupid terminal had the wrong code for the backspace key :)
[02:29] <justdave> yep, works now
[02:32] <justdave> so much for a supposedly transparent change :)
[02:33] <jeedee> Anyone experienced a grub problem after the first stage of the install (upon reboot, grub freeze at loading stage ...)
[02:33] <calc> cool filed my first ubuntu bug :)
[02:35] <jeedee> Or maybe someone can direct me to installing lilo from the ubuntu install
[02:38] <wu_ming> hi
[02:38] <LinuxJones> I am getting errors when I try to run an application (that requires root privliges) like Synaptic from the Gnome menu :(
[02:39] <justdave> LinuxJones: is it prompting you for your password?
[02:39] <LinuxJones> justdave, yes it is but it crashes about 3 seconds after I enter the password
[02:39] <wu_ming> hi, i got dual boot with xp. i ran apt-get and upgraded everything including kernel and image, now menu.1st is different, cant boot into window, how can i run the auto grub thing to set up xp
[02:40] <LinuxJones> justdave, the error comes up failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root: Child terminated with status 1
[02:41] <justdave> ah, are you entering your own password?
[02:41] <justdave> it's sudo, not su
[02:41] <LinuxJones> justdave, no root passwd
[02:41] <LinuxJones> justdave, lemme check
[02:41] <justdave> it won't work with the root password, it's using sudo, so it needs yours.
[02:41] <LinuxJones> justdave, ya that works great
[02:42] <LinuxJones> justdave, old habits are hard to break :D
[02:47] <stratking> anyone know a way to change the availabe resolutions, i have a dell laptop and ubuntu defaults to 640x480 and i can't change it under "screen resolution"
[02:48] <jeedee> IF anyone has a clue on how to install lilo from ubuntu let me know
[02:48] <minghua> stratking: it seems you don't have the correct video card driver
[02:48] <stratking> thats what i thought but it picked up my nvidia gforce 2 go card correctly
[02:49] <stratking> ive had this problem w/ other distros before, where i have to specify my monitor size, but i can't find a spot to do that here
[02:49] <bob2> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 
[02:49] <minghua> jeedee: i am not familiar with ubuntu, but you can try cancel during the install, and change the debconf question priority
[02:49] <bob2> and mention this on ubuntu-users so it can be fixed
[02:49] <bob2> jeedee: you just install it from universe...
[02:50] <stratking> bob2: is that for me?
[02:50] <jeedee> I can get past the first stage of the install bob2
[02:50] <bob2> stratking: yes.
[02:50] <minghua> bob2: so ubuntu don't have lilo on install disk?
[02:50] <jeedee> can't
[02:50] <bob2> jeedee: which means? error messages?
[02:50] <bob2> minghua: indeed, grub is the default boot loader.
[02:51] <jeedee> Well with the amd64 iso everything is fine in the install, but when I reboot grub hangs at Loading stage ... without any error, it just stay there. With the i386 iso, it wont mount my install cd (which is odd since im in the installer from this very cd)
[02:51] <minghua> bob2: hmm, i know that.  d-i has grub as default too, but it also has lilo which can be chosen in expert mode
[02:51] <bob2> jeedee: ask on ubuntu-users
[02:52] <Se7h> how do i see the uptime?
[02:52] <jeedee> uptime
[02:52] <bob2> minghua: is it a big deal to install lilo after install?
[02:52] <bob2> stratking: "uptime".
[02:52] <Se7h> danke
[02:52] <minghua> bob2: no, but XFS don't work with grub afaik
[02:52] <jeedee> bob2: yes if grub wont work
[02:52] <minghua> bob2: and I heard about lvm problem too
[02:53] <jeedee> lvm?
[02:53] <bob2> oh, ok.  I'd defintely ask on -users then.
[02:53] <calc> its fairly simple to make xfs work with grub if it doesn't work for you by default
[02:53] <minghua> jeedee: linux volume management
[02:53] <jeedee> how would you fix the lvm problems? It might be my case (but I have no knowledge about lvm)
[02:54] <calc> just go into tty2 and chroot /target and run grub then root (hdX,Y), find /boot/grub/stage1, setup (hd0)
[02:54] <jeedee> mmm
[02:54] <jeedee> I wonder what causes grub to freeze at loading stage tho
[02:55] <jeedee> I wish It gave me errors at least
[02:55] <minghua> calc: I am not complaining (I don't use xfs after all).  but I think d-i fall back to lilo automatically if it detects xfs
[02:55] <minghua> calc: which is good
[02:55] <minghua> jeedee: how did you choose when partition your disk?
[02:55] <jeedee> I got two ntfs partitions of 10 and 60gb and 20gb (end of disk) for ubuntu, grub in mbr
[02:55] <minghua> calc: and what I am really surprised is that ubuntu differs so much from d-i
[02:56] <minghua> calc: if it doesn't has lilo on install disk
[02:56] <rahga> Hello... Looking at a bug report from an Ubuntu user, I'm wondering if GNOME Ataxx (from gnome-games) crashes for any of you.
[02:57] <minghua> jeedee: do you mean you have four partitions total?
[02:57] <jeedee> yes, couting ext3 and swap
[02:57] <jeedee> counting
[02:57] <calc> i use xfs so i have to always manually install it, not sure why grub-install is still buggy
[02:58] <minghua> jeedee: hmm, i am confused, but it seems you don't use lvm
[02:58] <jeedee> ok
[02:58] <jeedee> I don't know much on lvm besides it's meaning
[02:58] <jeedee> Wish you had a quick explanation for me :)
[02:58] <minghua> jeedee: when you said 60gb and 20gb, they are not ntfs partitions but the empty partitions for ubuntu, right?
[02:59] <minghua> calc: grub-installer has lots of old bug not fixed, including one reported by me :-(
[02:59] <jeedee> I got a 80gb disk which I splitted in 10gb ( C: ) 50gb (d:) and 20gb of freespace for ubuntu
[03:00] <mdz> jono: back
[03:00] <minghua> jeedee: sure.  lvm manages the hard drives on your machine as a whole, and you can then get partitions from lvm
[03:01] <jeedee> ok
[03:01] <minghua> jeedee: about your partition, now i understand.  So you let installer auto partition for you, right?
[03:01] <mdz> defendguin: yes, finally arrived
[03:01] <LinuxJones> night all
[03:01] <minghua> jeedee: the good thing is you can easily resize partition in lvm
[03:01] <jeedee> the 20gb yes, I tried auto partition and doing it myself
[03:01] <mdz> defendguin: ok, so it's the hardware detection for xfree86 which is hanging
[03:01] <mdz> defendguin: please file a bug against discover1
[03:02] <minghua> jeedee: or partitions across hard drives
[03:02] <minghua> jeedee: then I am pretty sure you don't use lvm
[03:02] <jeedee> ok
[03:02] <minghua> jeedee: must be problem somewhere else
[03:02] <jeedee> yes
[03:02] <jeedee> I got a pretty standard setup
[03:03] <jeedee> ide drive, with sata and promise controllers disabled in bios and amd64 computer
[03:04] <jeedee> When I clear my mbr to get rid of the buggy grub I get an ntldr missing error
[03:04] <jeedee> very odd
[03:08] <chutwig> well, NTLDR also resides in the MBR
[03:08] <chutwig> so if it's been replaced by grub or cleared it's not going to be there
[03:08] <jeedee> true, forgot about this
[03:09] <jeedee> anyways I need to get ubuntu to work
[03:09] <jeedee> I had different problems on different cds (i386 and amd64)
[03:09] <Slackeerb> hey guys im haveing trouble installing java. (i just reinstalled ubuntu)
[03:09] <jeedee> On my friend laptop, amd64 iso caused a load of drivers problems ect and the i386 worked fine, there's really something going on :P That's why im trying i386 on my amd64
[03:11] <mdz> calc: a single bug report would have been sufficient
[03:11] <Se7h> can a make a symlink for java from /usr/local/java to /home?
[03:14] <Slackeerb> can anyone help me with java? =). anyone ta all.
[03:14] <Se7h> Slackeerb just installed that minutes ago
[03:14] <Se7h> :P
[03:15] <Slackeerb> care 2 help
[03:15] <minghua> Slackeerb: If you have a little command line knowledge, this faq is very useful: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ch11.html#s11.2
[03:16] <minghua> all my debian systems had java installed using these procedures
[03:16] <minghua> it's a little too hard to follow for beginners though
[03:16] <Slackeerb> minghua: thx ill give it a shot
[03:18] <jeedee> What is the easiest way to install a bootloader from windows or a bootcd?
[03:18] <jeedee> forget the windows part, im tired
[03:18] <jeedee> does knoppix comes with a grub install tool
[03:18] <jeedee> Since the grub from the ubuntu cd wont work
[03:25] <jeedee> Anyways thanks for the help im going to try some stuff on my own
[03:25] <jeedee> :)
[03:25] <dommi> anyone have luck with the tdk velocd firewire cdrw?
[03:30] <minghua> good night everyone
[03:58] <defendguin> hmmm i cant seem to setup a networked printer. i set up a cups sharing printer on another box but i cant seem to connect to it here
[04:05] <stratking> anyone ever have the problem where they cant click by tapping their mouse pad, only by clicking the mouse buttons on a laptop
[04:06] <linux_mafia> is there a way i can check which packages have been updated in warty since its release
[04:06] <defendguin> linux_mafia your talking about available on apt?
[04:07] <linux_mafia> defendguin, yeah
[04:07] <defendguin> use synaptic
[04:07] <mdz> stratking: it sounds like you have a synaptics touchpad but it hasn't been detected correctly.  Check /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and look for "synaptics"
[04:08] <defendguin> refresh and they are able to list just the updateable packages
[04:08] <jsubl2> defendguin, the cupsd.conf file i used on my printer sharing box is here -> http://daffit.meownz.info/html/cups-samba/node10.html
[04:08] <mdz> stratking: there was a bug (#1289) where the config file was written with Driver "synaptic" when it should have been Driver "synaptics"
[04:09] <stratking> ok yeah, i see the section for synaptic
[04:09] <stratking> and the driver is just labeled as "synaptic"
[04:10] <stratking> do i just need to change it to "synaptics"
[04:10] <linux_mafia> defendguin, nah its for a friend with no net connection, and hes on x86_64 and i'm on x86
[04:12] <defendguin> oh ok
[04:13] <linux_mafia> so any ideas anyone, is there a release/change log?
[04:13] <rahga> Hello... just bug hunting, can anyone tell me if running "gataxx" (GNOME Ataxx, from the gnome-games package) crashes on startup in Ubuntu?
[04:13] <stratking> mdz: i tried changing the driver name, logged out, but still the same problem
[04:14] <defendguin> do they send out an email to a list everytime they update a package?
[04:14] <linux_mafia> defendguin, dunno
[04:14] <mdz> stratking: you'll need to restart the X server (/etc/init.d/gdm restart, or reboot the system)
[04:15] <Kosai> rahga: It does not crash here.
[04:15] <mdz> stratking: in order for it to take effect
[04:15] <WW> jsubl2: I hope you don't mind that I also took a look at cupsd.conf link.  Is that the file for the computer to which the printer is attached?
[04:16] <mdz> linux_mafia: which packages have been updated since when?  the preview?
[04:16] <rahga> Kosai: Thanks... I'd ask if you were using gataxx 2.8.0, but with ubuntu, I'm pretty sure there's no choice. :)
[04:16] <WW> jsubl2: If so, does anything special go into cupsd.conf for a remote computer to use that printer?
[04:17] <punkass> anyone wanna tryout a wifi scanner/detector?
[04:17] <punkass> s/detector/connector
[04:18] <mdz> linux_mafia: you can find an incomplete log of updated packages here: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/warty-changes/2004-September/date.html
[04:18] <punkass> its just a little app i made for connecting wifi
[04:19] <stratking> mdz: that was it, thanks a lot
[04:19] <tseng> mdz: if you manage to get mythtv in, im going to move my pvr box to ubuntu
[04:19] <tseng> exciting :)
[04:19] <mdz> I'm going to move mine
[04:20] <mdz> I've been stalling because it's running 2.4.x with lirc, which will be a pain to upgrade
[04:20] <tseng> hm i still need to order an ir blaster to control my dish network reciver
[04:20] <mdz> I'll send out an announcement to the mythtv lists when everything is in place
[04:22] <theantix> punkass, if you're interested I built netapplet for Ubuntu http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/001877.html
[04:22] <linux_mafia> mdz, yeah thats what i wanted, updates since release of preview, i'll look at that link, thanks
[04:22] <defendguin> mdz, did you ever get my email?
[04:22] <punkass> theantix: so did i :)
[04:23] <mdz> defendguin: yes
 defendguin: ok, so it's the hardware detection for xfree86 which is hanging
 defendguin: please file a bug against discover1
[04:24] <punkass> theantix: sorry i didnt build netapplet
[04:24] <punkass> theantix: i made my own little app
[04:24] <mdz> defendguin: attach the ps listing to the bug report and explain what you saw
[04:25] <defendguin> ok one more bugzilla account
[04:26] <defendguin> mdz, i also noticed a hang when installing the cups updates
[04:26] <defendguin> ive been installing things a few packages at a time
[04:28] <mdz> hmm
[04:29] <punkass> theantix: how do i add it to my panel?
[04:31] <dieman> heh
[04:31] <dieman> im like building half of java here tonight
[04:31] <dieman> it seems
[04:33] <dieman> the circular dependencies are suckage.
[04:36] <defendguin> no gtweakui package in apt :((
[04:36] <defendguin> or guifications
[04:38] <Mais> "Failed to fetch http://archive.ubntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/source/Sources.gz Sub-process gzip returned an erorr code (1)
[04:38] <Mais> "
[04:39] <WW> Mais: ubntu?
[04:39] <Mais> yea
[04:39] <Mais> er
[04:39] <Mais> no
[04:39] <Mais> typo
[04:39] <axe9dotcom> Aight
[04:39] <axe9dotcom> I need help with sound drivers
[04:39] <Mais> its right in my Sources.list
[04:40] <axe9dotcom> sound doesn't work at ALL
[04:41] <axe9dotcom> I have all the right moduals (according to lsmod)
[04:41] <axe9dotcom> but sound is still borked
[04:41] <theantix> punkass, just run "netapplet" from a terminal
[04:42] <punkass> theantix: yeah i just realized it was there...its just empty...unless all networks are disconnected the i get an red X
[04:42] <axe9dotcom> haha, I thought you were talking to me for a second
[04:42] <punkass> did u check alsamixer?
[04:42] <punkass> make sure volumes are up and not muted
[04:43] <axe9dotcom> yep
[04:43] <axe9dotcom> sitll not working
[04:44] <punkass> theantix: i like that it can switch to eth0..i think ill add that to mine
[04:45] <axe9dotcom> Any ideas?
[04:45] <Mais> WW: do you have any suggestions?
[04:45] <punkass> does stuff play..but just no sound?
[04:46] <axe9dotcom> yeah
[04:46] <punkass> wierd..cuz most of the time it is a muted channel in alsamixer...im not really sure
[04:47] <axe9dotcom> alsamixer?
[04:47] <WW> Mais: Sorry, I'm no expert.  Keep nudging the folks who have more clues than I do.
[04:47] <Mais> I can open Sources.gz fine in a browser =|
[04:47] <punkass> yes run alsamixer in a terminal
[04:48] <axe9dotcom> command>
[04:48] <punkass> ?
[04:48] <axe9dotcom> how do I run it ^^'
[04:49] <punkass> open a terminal
[04:49] <axe9dotcom> yep
[04:49] <punkass> and type:  alsamixer
[04:49] <axe9dotcom> ooh
[04:49] <Mais> WW: k
[04:50] <punkass> then use your arrow keys to raise the volumes
[04:50] <punkass> and make sure there is no MM at the top of Master or PCM 
[04:51] <axe9dotcom> ah
[04:51] <axe9dotcom> and there it is ^^
[04:51] <axe9dotcom> though
[04:51] <axe9dotcom> there IS MM at the top of the mastermono thing
[04:52] <punkass> are all volumes up?
[04:52] <punkass> just go to the muted channel and hit m to unmute
[04:53] <punkass> i have mine around 74<>74
[04:53] <dieman> ok
[04:53] <dieman> i think im going to go away for a while, fired up a compile of openmotif
[04:54] <dieman> ... wonder how long it will take
[04:55] <jsubl2> ww that is the file i used on my ubuntu box that has the printer being shared.
[04:55] <jdub> morning all
[04:55] <jdub> do we have any french, german or spanish speakers in the house?
[04:56] <WW> jdub: Not me, but you could check #ubuntu-es
[04:56] <Agrajag> non, nein, no
[04:57] <jdub> Agrajag: haw haw. hmm.
[04:57] <Mais> WW, i noticed your edit in the Binary display faqs
[04:57] <Mais> were you able to obtain the nvidia-glx package without any searchin
[04:57] <Mais> ?
[04:58] <WW> Mais: Yes, it is part of Ubuntu.
[04:58] <Mais> hmm how odd
[04:58] <Mais> thanks
[05:02] <WW> Mais: `sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx` doesn't work?
[05:02] <Mais> nope
[05:02] <WW> Mais: Do you have "universe" added to your repositories?
[05:03] <Mais> Packge nvidia-glx is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has een obsoleted, or is only available from another source
[05:03] <punkass> Mais: are u 64-bit?
[05:03] <Mais> I uncommented the universe line in Sources.list 
[05:03] <Mais> yea
[05:03] <punkass> my buddy is on a 64bit and had the same problem
[05:03] <WW> jsubl2: Thanks (a bit delayed...)
[05:04] <Mais> has he worked past it?
[05:04] <punkass> fabbione is working on a 64bit nvidia driver
[05:04] <Mais>  ah ok so it's still in the works
[05:04] <punkass> umm not sure..i can point you to some 64bit optomized nv drivers if u like
[05:04] <jdub> nvidia-glx is in restricted, not universe
[05:05] <WW> jdub: oops, my bad.
[05:05] <dieman> good, i'll need that 64bit nvidia driver within the month ;)
[05:05] <dieman> possibly
[05:05] <dieman> we may or may not make these em64t machines amd64 platfor
[05:05] <dieman> platform
[05:05] <jsubl2> WW hope it helps.  I had trouble getting my going too.  only had to modify that one a little to get the printer going
[05:06] <dieman> not worth it if they aren't going to have gobs of ram
[05:06] <Mais>   punkass: yea sure :)
[05:07] <WW> jsubl2: Anything special in client computers' cupsd.conf?  They also need to set Browsing on and set a BrowseAddress, right?
[05:08] <punkass> Mais: http://people.no-name-yet.com/~fabbione/nv/amd64/
[05:08] <WW> jsubl2: Wait.. I think Browsing is on by default.  So just set the BrowseAddress... ?
[05:08] <Mais> Thanks :)
[05:08] <punkass> np.
[05:09] <Mais> Links dead ;)
[05:09] <WW> Mais: If you are bored, maybe you could add a note to the wiki about amd64 not being available :-)
[05:09] <punkass> doh
[05:09] <Mais> did :)
[05:09] <jsubl2> WW, i did not touch anything on the client side.  put the target host ip in my /etc/hosts file is all.  the uri i used is ipp://targetHOST/printers/printername
[05:09] <Mais> haha
[05:09] <punkass> maybe fabboine took it down
[05:10] <Mais> It's a very small ntoe at the bottom, but it should suffice till a remedy is better known
[05:11] <punkass> you see this one: http://people.no-name-yet.com/~fabbione/xserver-xfree86_4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu21_amd64.deb
[05:11] <punkass> not sure if that will help
[05:12] <jsubl2> WW, ok that is ipp://targethost:631/printers/printername rather
[05:12] <WW> jsubl2: Thanks again.  A few more clues to experiment with...
[05:13] <Mais> heh i never thought on-board video would ever do me any good again
[05:13] <Mais> oh well haha
[05:14] <punkass> lol
[05:17] <defendguin> hmmmm very odd i tried switching from the ubuntu icon and gtk theme and it seems as though im stuck
[05:18] <dieman> lamont: how goes?
[05:18] <lamont> have I mentioned recently how much I hate not being able to type in my ssh passphrase before all the )*&%)&_%{ windows come up?
[05:18] <dieman> hahah
[05:19] <veauger> hey all
[05:19] <lamont> and it would be nice if metacity would be so kind as to remember what *&%)*^_ workspace the window was in, instead of dumping them all on workspace 1
[05:19] <dieman> lamont: i spent the last hour and a half mucking with java deps, now im working on mplayer and friends.
[05:20] <lamont> now I get to go help my wife figure out why evo is crashing when she prints a schedule she's spent the last 2+ hours composing.,
[05:20] <dieman> heheh
[05:20] <dieman> go evo!
[05:20] <veauger> dieman, isnt there an apt repository with that stuff in it that you can use?
[05:20] <veauger> wee
[05:20] <dieman> well, sort of
[05:20] <dieman> its not compiled aginst ubuntu...
[05:20] <veauger> yeah
[05:21] <veauger> well, I'll try it for you if you want
[05:21] <veauger> if it screws me up, you'll know not to use it :] 
[05:21] <dieman> dono if i can hand it out
[05:21] <veauger> oh
[05:21] <dieman> need to read over what the issues are
[05:21] <dieman> ssince im in the usa there might be patent issues with some of it
[05:21] <dieman> im not sure, offhand
[05:21] <veauger> *sigh*
[05:21] <dieman> yeah
[05:21] <dieman> i try not to think
[05:22] <veauger> do you know if debian's repositories work?
[05:22] <dieman> wht do you mean?
[05:23] <veauger> the packages in like non-free for example
[05:23] <dieman> you might run into odd issues, but if the deps match they should work most of the time
[05:24] <veauger> hm
[05:26] <Mais-> ok newbie question: how do I install a .deb wihtout using an apt-get archive
[05:26] <veauger> dpkg -i
[05:26] <jdub> Mais-: download it, run dpkg -i <debfile>
[05:27] <Mais-> ok
[05:27] <Mais-> thanks
[05:31] <lamont> hrm.. so now why is it that when I press the hotsync button, /dev/ttyUSB[01]  don't show up???
[05:33] <tvon> Has anyone built dbus CVS?
[05:36] <Mais-> The xserve package pdate didnt work
[05:36] <Mais-> it appears to be the same one that came with the 64-bit ubuntu
[05:38] <punkass> crappy
[05:38] <punkass> wait till fabbione is around..he might be able to point you to those files
[05:40] <Mais-> alright
[05:40] <Mais-> thanks for all your help
[05:43] <yojimbo-san> Does anyone else have a non-responsive 'right-click key' on their PC keyboard? Mine doesn't do anything ...
[05:45] <veauger> mine does what it supposed to do and works instantly *shrugs*
[05:46] <Mais> yojimbo-san, did you remap your keys on install?
[05:46] <Mais> That's all i can think of
[05:46] <yojimbo-san> no, I just chose whatever the default was ...
[05:47] <veauger> Mais, just a note: I didnt have to do any mapping, it just worked
[05:47] <Mais> veauger, yea thats what i mean
[05:47] <Mais> veauger, if he remapped it it may have changed
[05:47] <veauger> ah :)
[05:47] <yojimbo-san> pc104 has been selected ...
[05:47] <veauger> who was messing with mplayer?
[05:47] <Mais> afk for a while
[05:47] <yojimbo-san> that's the one with the logo keys, isn't it?
[05:48] <veauger> I just hooked up to a repository and it worked fine
[05:54] <yojimbo-san> OK, my right-click key only seems to be non-functional in Evolution, so I can do a little more testing ... :-)
[06:02] <ponds> is `cat /dev/lp0` supposed to return an I/O error if nothing is plugged in to lp0? im trying to debug my snes controller, and cant get it to respond at all
[06:03] <Agrajag> lp on fire
[06:04] <Agrajag> I would imaging it would simply do a blocking read
[06:04] <Agrajag> er, imagine
[06:04] <Agrajag> so no, no errors, just no output
[06:07] <yojimbo-san> Well, I get an i/o error, and I have nothing connected.
[06:07] <ponds> ok, thanks guys
[06:07] <ponds> not really sure where to head on this
[06:08] <Agrajag> hm yeah
[06:09] <Agrajag> I dunno, I can't even get fceu working right yet
[06:09] <Agrajag> and zsnes won't build
[06:09] <Agrajag> so I haven't messed with controllers yet
[06:44] <fabbione> morning guys
[06:46] <joem> mornin fabbione
[06:48] <defendguin> hmmmm
[06:49] <defendguin> same problem with the preffered applications app
[06:49] <defendguin> whoops wrong channel
[06:49] <plovs> what packages do I have to install to build stuff like the kernel? (gcc, what version) etc?
[07:01] <crimsun> plovs: apt-get install build-essential kernel-package
[07:23] <wu_ming> hi, how do i create icons 'home' 'disk' and shown on desktop?
[07:27] <goatboy_> wu_ming: open gconf-editor, go to /apps/nautilus/desktop and check computer_icon_visible and home_icon_visible
[07:27] <wu_ming> thanks
[07:27] <jdub> but don't do it now
[07:27] <wu_ming> why
[07:27] <jdub> use it for a while without
[07:28] <hornbeck> its so nice not having anything on the desktop
[07:28] <wu_ming> not really
[07:28] <hornbeck> don't really know why, but it is
[07:28] <wu_ming> its quicker
[07:28] <hornbeck> I use launchers from the panel
[07:28] <hornbeck> that way I don't have to close anything
[07:29] <jdub> wu_ming: when you've got windows all over yuour desktop, the computer menu is quicker :)
[07:29] <punkass> my desktop always gets plauged with icons...
[07:29] <punkass> firefox...save to Desktop 
[07:29] <hornbeck> I always save things to home
[07:30] <crimsun> I have a cluttered ~/Desktop/Downloads
[07:30] <hornbeck> I sort my stuff to much
[07:30] <punkass> is there something i can do, when i go to 'Networks' it just sits there with the spinning icon
[07:31] <crimsun> punkass: well, you can do anything...
[07:31] <crimsun> :p
[07:31] <punkass> lol 
[07:31] <punkass> thanks
[07:31] <punkass> "you can do anything at zombo.com"
[07:31] <punkass> haha that site is still there
[07:32] <punkass> if u wanna see one of the most useless/yet funny sites: http://zombo.com/
[07:33] <punkass> is there anyway for dmix to take effect without restarting
[07:34] <punkass> i put in a .asoundrc file, but i havent had to reboot yet :)
[07:34] <crimsun> dmix takes effective immediately for the next application that uses alsa-lib
[07:34] <crimsun> s/ive//
[07:34] <punkass> hmm wierd
[07:34] <punkass> cuz i have used the same file before and it worked fine..but i am only getting one sound at a time still
[07:35] <crimsun> are you using an explicit dmix target?
[07:35] <crimsun> or are you using a pcm.!default {} redefinition?
[07:35] <punkass> dunno...i found a asoundrc file that worked and ive just reused that one since
[07:37] <punkass> threw it in #flood
[07:37] <crimsun> i saw.
[07:37] <punkass> yeah like i say, that one has always worked
[07:37] <crimsun> which applications are you using to test dmix?
[07:38] <punkass> firefox vs rhythmbox vs gaim
[07:39] <crimsun> defaulty rhythmbox? is libxine set to use alsa or oss?
[07:39] <crimsun> -y
[07:39] <crimsun> man, i can't type this morning
[07:39] <punkass> whoa:  aplay /usr/share/apps/korganizer/sounds/alert.wav
[07:39] <punkass> aplay: main:502: audio open error: Permission denied
[07:41] <punkass> and
[07:41] <punkass> ryan is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[07:41] <punkass> oh lol
[07:41] <punkass> nm
[07:41] <punkass> i am ssh'd into the office server
[07:41] <punkass> doh
[07:43] <punkass> crimson: how do i find out what its set to?
[07:43] <crimsun> punkass: what "what" is set to?
[07:43] <punkass> i just did a aplay command and it hung until i close rhythmbox
[07:43] <punkass> libxine
[07:44] <crimsun> oh
[07:44] <crimsun> sec
[07:44] <wu_ming> how do i make harddrives automounted via /etc/fstab at boot not to show up on desktop?
[07:45] <punkass> uncheck volumes_visible 
[07:45] <punkass> in GConf editior
[07:45] <punkass> its right under computer_icon_visible
[07:46] <crimsun> punkass: hmm, i was actually thinking about muine, which uses libxine by default (~/.gnome2/muine/xine-config)
[07:46] <crimsun> punkass: i suppose rhythmbox uses gstreamer by default
[07:46] <punkass> yeah probably
[07:46] <crimsun> punkass: run gstreamer-properties and look at the setting for output sink
[07:47] <punkass> ahh OSS
[07:47] <wu_ming> thanks
[07:48] <punkass> crimson: worked like a charm thanks
[07:48] <crimsun> np :)
[07:48] <punkass> no just to get firefox to play nice
[07:48] <punkass> w/no/now
[07:48] <punkass> lol
[07:48] <punkass> s/no/now
[07:49] <punkass> is there any reason i should set Default Source > Input   to ALSA
[07:50] <punkass> nm..doesnt work anyways
[07:57] <punkass> man i sure like this gnome 2.8
[07:58] <Smeve1> hi
[07:59] <Smeve1> anyone around?
[07:59] <joem> yep
[07:59] <punkass> there all hiding...
[07:59] <Smeve1> i am trying to setup a raid on the ubuntu install
[08:00] <Smeve1> but it says that raid on / is not usable by ubuntu
[08:00] <Smeve1> is there any way around this?
[08:03] <punkass> sorry..i dont know much/anything about raid
[08:03] <Smeve1> hm
[08:04] <Smeve1> i really didnt want to have to reinstall gentoo :)
[08:04] <punkass> lol i bet you dont
[08:04] <Smeve1> but i guess i have no choice
[08:04] <punkass> well dont give up to quick
[08:04] <Smeve1> even on my dual i dont like to wait for it to install
[08:04] <punkass> some one here may know...
[08:04] <Smeve1> i did just upgrade the machine about an hour ago, so it should be a little faster
[08:05] <punkass> i did it a gentoo install once, and that was enough for me
[08:05] <Smeve1> it takes a couple hous
[08:05] <crimsun> i really like gentoo
[08:05] <Smeve1> hours
[08:05] <Smeve1> me too
[08:05] <crimsun> on others' computers, that is.
[08:05] <Smeve1> just dont wanna install it
[08:05] <crimsun> not mine.
[08:05] <punkass> lol
[08:05] <Smeve1> i just added a 512mb mem chip
[08:05] <Smeve1> and a 3 drive to my raid 0
[08:06] <crimsun> seriously, it's a great distro, but it ain't touching my pc.
[08:06] <crimsun> too old to learn new distros ;)
[08:07] <punkass> it sounded like to me, that once u got it installed and running... maintaining it was a breeze
[08:07] <crimsun> aye
[08:08] <crimsun> fortunately debian and ubuntu have saved the day
[08:08] <punkass> indeed
[08:09] <Smeve1> they are still missing stuff
[08:09] <Smeve1> like lxdvdrip
[08:09] <Smeve1> they really need to add that
[08:09] <punkass> whats a good program to make a copy/backup of a dvd?
[08:10] <Smeve1> lxdvdrip
[08:10] <punkass> lol 
[08:10] <Smeve1> haha
[08:10] <punkass> cool
[08:10] <Smeve1> the best out there man
[08:10] <joem> dd :)
[08:10] <Smeve1> and it uses transcode, dvdbackup, vamps, streamdvd, dvdauthor, growisofs, dvdrwtools, etc
[08:11] <punkass> hmm ill have to give it a shot
[08:11] <punkass> is it GUI or commandline?
[08:12] <punkass> "lxdvdrip is a Command Line Tool"
[08:12] <punkass> nm
[08:13] <Smeve1> it is easy
[08:13] <Smeve1> i find that ripping with trans_par is the fastest
[08:16] <william_> anyone her got dual head going?
[08:16] <william_> *here
[08:16] <punkass> i do
[08:16] <theantix> william, I have but only after a lot of effort
[08:16] <punkass> using nvidia 5900
[08:16] <william_> got a good doc to follow?
[08:16] <punkass> with nvidia its pretty easy
[08:17] <punkass> are you using the nvidia-glx driver?
[08:17] <william_> nah i have a ati radeon
[08:17] <theantix> punkass, that is true if your heads have the same resolution
[08:17] <punkass> nope
[08:17] <william_> one crt and one lcd
[08:17] <punkass> i am running 1280 and 1024
[08:18] <punkass> william: same setup i have
[08:18] <william_> punkass, so did you follow anything in particular, or just freestyle
[08:18] <punkass> one sec
[08:19] <punkass> just #flood and ill throw it in there...just the part you need
[08:20] <william_> ok bro
[08:20] <william_> im up in thur
[08:21] <william_> why was dialup support not included in x86_64? 
[08:21] <punkass> now just add that to your Section "Screen" 
[08:21] <punkass> you may have to change the Horz/vert rates for your crt
[08:21] <william_> punkass, aiight
[08:22] <punkass> and the MetaModes are the two resolutions you want
[08:22] <william_> why was dialup support not included in x86_64? anyone? or was it not in any preview arch release
[08:22] <jdub> william_: what are you trying to use?
[08:22] <jdub> william_: the 'networking' dialogue?
[08:23] <william_> yep
[08:23] <punkass> and then after that just do a /etc/init.d/gdm restart   to restart X
[08:23] <william_> jdub, was that not the go?
[08:24] <punkass> yea i see Modem under Computer > Networking
[08:24] <william_> punkass, no wvdial installed
[08:24] <punkass> oh
[08:24] <plovs_> how can I see with what gcc  the  current kernel was complied?
[08:24] <plovs_> compiled?
[08:25] <jdub> william_: yes, that's due to wvdial atm. known problem... more than a bug ;)
[08:25] <william_> punkass, got that, on another box, then it depended on a whole heap of shit also not in the base install
[08:25] <william_> jdub, no worries dude, just im a savvy linux user, but a beginner would have been f***d
[08:30] <punkass> if i have an .iso of a dvd would nautilus know what to do with it (for burning)
[08:31] <tvon> Has anyone built dbus-cvs on ubuntu?
[08:35] <joem> punkass, if dvdrw-tools are installed it should
[08:35] <punkass> ok thanks
[08:35] <joem> dvd+rw-tools should be installed by default
[08:36] <wu_ming> can ubuntu play dvd by default
[08:36] <punkass> oooo...synaptic has little ubuntu symbols now
[08:36] <wu_ming> dvd movies
[08:36] <punkass> you need libdvdcss
[08:36] <mdz> punkass: yes, writing an .iso to DVD works out of the box
[08:36] <punkass> mdz: cool thanks
[08:37] <subterrific> tvon: why do you want dbus-cvs?
[08:38] <Treenaks> does nautilus-cd support audio CD writing? (if I read the source correctly it doesn't, but I don't know if I read correctly...)
[08:38] <joem> Treenaks, no
[08:40] <punkass> joem: are they thinking about doing it?
[08:40] <wu_ming> cant find libdvdcss in synaptic
[08:40] <wu_ming> where can i get it
[08:40] <punkass> no its not there
[08:40] <joem> wu_ming, check the faq on the wiki
[08:40] <punkass> cuz it could be illigel in your country
[08:40] <punkass> eww..bad spelling
[08:41] <jordi> illigel, ouch
[08:42] <punkass> HEHE
[08:42] <Treenaks> if you're in europe, it's most likely you're OK
[08:42] <joem> punkass, it could be added in the future, but not atm
[08:42] <punkass> cool..just curious
[08:43] <punkass> it would be sweet if they do..
[08:43] <punkass> cuz this 2.8 sure is nice
[08:45] <tvon> subterrific: I want to play with Beagle, which I believe requires dbus-cvs.
[08:46] <joem> I think it just requires dbus mono bindings
[08:51] <punkass> how do i get to the menu..is it applications:\\\
[08:52] <joem> //
[08:52] <punkass> got it thanks
[08:54] <punkass> i did goto Location:  application:/// and natualius just sits with its spinning icon
[08:55] <punkass> wierd got it
[08:57] <Mykq3> hello
[08:57] <crimsun> hullo
[08:58] <Mykq3> :)
[08:58] <Mykq3> i have a problem to install my nVidia driver on Ubuntu...
[08:59] <crimsun> Mykq3: are you following the guidelines in the wiki?
[08:59] <Mykq3> some ppl adviced me to install nvidia-glx with  linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-2-386
[08:59] <Mykq3> no i didn't found it ...
[09:00] <Mykq3> i m off to look for it now
[09:00] <Mykq3> thanks
[09:00] <crimsun> Mykq3: np. url is in the topic.
[09:01] <Mykq3> ^^
[09:02] <punkass> hmmm...gotta find a way to disable the second monitor..so i can play unreal :)
[09:03] <AP> is it only me or the new mozilla-firefox package provides a broken browser?
[09:03] <jeld> hello all
[09:03] <jeld> is there a way to enable totem to play encrypted DVDs?
[09:03] <punkass> get totem-xine
[09:04] <jdub> jeld: there's a repository mentioned on the mailing list
[09:04] <jdub> jeld: that includes pacakges to let you do that
[09:04] <jdub> jeld: if you install totem-xine and use those packages, it'll work
[09:04] <punkass> AP: i am using the new version and it seems fine
[09:04] <punkass> jdub: how tight knit are you guys with gnome?
[09:05] <jdub> punkass: very :)
[09:05] <jeld> jdub, thanx
[09:05] <jdub> we have a number of gnome contributors on the team
[09:05] <punkass> hehe, cool...thats what i thought
[09:05] <AP> find, add bookmarks, about, preferences and every other feature just doesnt seem to work or respond
[09:05] <AP> f.e. when i try to open some firefox window like add a bookmark, it shows me an error
[09:06] <AP> XML Parsing Error: undefined entity
[09:06] <AP> Location: chrome://browser/content/bookmarks/addBookmark2.xul
[09:06] <AP> Line Number 22, Column 28:
[09:06] <punkass> hmmm not sure, i just tried Find and Bookmarks both are fine
[09:06] <topyli> mmmm. new icons for the human theme.
[09:06] <punkass> when did u last update?
[09:06] <AP> a few days ago
[09:07] <punkass> there is a new one just released
[09:07] <punkass> do a new apt-get
[09:07] <AP> to version 0.99+1.9PRE-0ubuntu
[09:07] <punkass> well i just did one tonite and there was a new version
[09:07] <AP> # apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[09:07] <AP> Reading Package Lists... Done
[09:07] <AP> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[09:07] <AP> mozilla-firefox is already the newest version.
[09:08] <punkass> did u Refresh
[09:08] <AP> yes, a moment ago
[09:08] <punkass> i have 0.99+1.0PR-0ubuntu
[09:08] <AP> i have this version too
[09:08] <punkass> oh
[09:09] <punkass> hmm not sure then...everything is workin on my end
[09:10] <bob2> AP: if it doesn't work, file a bug
[09:10] <bob2> (if no one else has)
[09:10] <AP> i think i will
[09:31] <jblack> Hi. Is rst in ubuntu ? 
[09:31] <daniels> rst?
[09:31] <jblack> restructuredtext.
[09:32] <daniels> not that I can see
[09:32] <jblack> Yeah. I can't find it in the list either. However, stubs recommended it to me for the arch howtos, so I figure its gotta be in there somewhere.
[09:33] <tvon> rst related commands are usually in the python-docutils package
[09:33] <tvon> eg, rst2html or related
[09:34] <jblack> tvon: right on. incidentally, they seem to have been renamed to rest2(html|xml|latex)
[09:34] <tvon> grr, beagle does need dbus-cvs
[09:46] <Evaso> hi all
[09:46] <Evaso> any plan to packaging GproFTPD ?
[09:48] <Evaso> GProftpd is an administration tool for  theProftpd standalone server.
[09:48] <Evaso> it is simple, and could be very useful for Desktop users to maintain and configure an FTP server based over proftpd
[09:49] <Evaso> a debian package already exist here: http://mange.dynup.net/linux/gproftpd/gproftpd_8.1.7-1_i386.deb
[09:49] <Evaso> but not in the official debian repos
[09:52] <bob2> talk to the person who made those packages
[09:52] <bob2> if they had them uploaded to Debian, then it would become part of Ubuntu's universe.
[09:53] <Evaso> i doesn't tink he is a debian developer or want to find some sponsor
[10:21] <so_solid_moo> hello, has anyone here got a prism54 card working with the warty preview?
[10:29] <joebeastie> just found out today that ubuntu is backed by some crazy billionare. how cool is that? :)
[10:30] <crimsun> ;)
[10:30] <edd> he has a white cat, too
[10:30] <joem> ha
[10:30] <joebeastie> yea. i checked out his website
[10:31] <joebeastie> really cool how much he promote open source and pays for bounties and whatnot
[10:31] <Hrdwr_BoB> lol edd
[10:31] <daniels> edd: nice book; i'm thoroughly enjoying it thus far
[10:31] <edd> hey daniels. glad to hear it!
[10:31] <joebeastie> what book?
[10:32] <joebeastie> hey nanotech
[10:32] <daniels> edd: how's things?
[10:32] <nanotech> sup
[10:32] <nanotech> what book?
[10:32] <daniels> joebeastie: mono - a developer's notebook
[10:32] <edd> joebeastie: http://usefulinc.com/edd/books/mono-notebook
[10:32] <joebeastie> oh thanks.
[10:32] <edd> daniels: they're going ok thanks. i'm going crazy right now trying to, umm,write a book about debian
[10:32] <joebeastie> how well does mono compare to the fuctionality that is already implemented in microsoft's .net?
[10:32] <daniels> edd: heh, nice one
[10:33] <Kinnison> Morning
[10:33] <edd> joebeastie: the info on http://www.mono-project.com/about/index.html will answer you better than i could in irc.
[10:33] <daniels> Kinnison: morning dude
[10:33] <joebeastie> edd: yea i should have visted the site first :-P
[10:34] <edd> daniels: but what i'd rather be doing is playing with ubuntu etc
[10:35] <daniels> edd: ahh well
[10:36] <daniels> edd	i've been playing with bluetooth a bit lately
[10:36] <daniels> trying to figure out why my phone keeps locking up when I attempt to seid files :\
[10:36] <edd> ah yes, that's the other thing i need to do
[10:36] <edd> ross and jdub and now you using it means i need to do way more hacking on gnome bluetooth
[10:36] <edd> hoary is a good deadline for me in that respect
[10:37] <daniels> respect is the word fo'sho
[10:37] <edd> you kids
[10:37] <Treenaks> daniels: your phone locks up? that sounds like the software in your phone is b0rken as well..
[10:37] <edd> i can't understand a word you say
[10:37] <daniels> Treenaks: yeah, firmware
[10:37] <edd> Treenaks: it could also be some element of the OBEX protocol niceties my software isn't observing
[10:37] <daniels> Treenaks: all I see is a few link_key_requests, then it locks up solid
[10:37] <edd> Treenaks: though I thought I'd caught those errors.
[10:38] <Treenaks> edd: it yes, but that should generate an error, not crash the phone
[10:38] <edd> Treenaks: wishful thinking. all the phones i've ever had could be made to crash by illformed bluetooth comms
[10:38] <daniels> mine locks up solid
[10:39] <edd> and only on OBEX? modem connects work ok?
[10:39] <jdub> edd: what do you think about adding current gnome-bluetooth foo to universe?
[10:39] <daniels> edd: haven't tried with the modem
[10:39] <edd> jdub: vaguely shaky, as i didn't even upload it to sid...
[10:39] <jdub> edd: hrm
[10:39] <daniels> edd: but sending files *to* the phone works ok
[10:39] <edd> daniels: feel free to file a bug in gnome bugzlila anyway
[10:40] <daniels> edd: i might do -- cheers
[10:40] <jdub> edd: let's just play with it in hoary instead :)
[10:40] <Kinnison> daniels: You owe me a new vocal faculty
[10:40] <daniels> Kinnison: ?
[10:40] <Kinnison> daniels: I've started calling people 'dude'
[10:40] <Kinnison> it's scaring me
[10:40] <jdub> haha
[10:40] <daniels> Kinnison: represent
[10:40] <edd> jdub: makes sense. i don't want reviews to call it "dreadful" like extremetech called ephy :)
[10:40] <jdub> you'll start saying rad next
[10:40] <jdub> edd: ha ha
[10:40] <daniels> 'dude, that's a phat watch'
[10:40] <Kinnison> jdub: Nup, but I *will* force at least one antipodean straggler to say "router" properly
[10:40] <jdub> daniels: (we are winning.)
[10:41] <jdub> Kinnison: we say that all the time
[10:41] <edd> ro-utter
[10:41] <daniels> Kinnison: not even
[10:41] <daniels> jdub: rad
[10:41] <jdub> Kinnison: "so, c'mon, did you router?"
[10:41] <Kinnison> jdub: Yeah; but not to mean a device which routes packets
[10:41] <daniels> jdub: haha
[10:41] <jdub> npmccallum: ping?
[10:41] <daniels> ross: represent
[10:41] <jdub> yo ross 
[10:42] <jdub> man
[10:42] <daniels> Kinnison: see, ross is down with the mad phat flava
[10:42] <jdub> i should get my sleep cycles screwed up again
[10:42] <jdub> everyone's turning up :|
[10:42] <Kinnison> daniels: yeah; but he kinda looks the part
[10:42] <ross> erm
[10:42] <ross> morning?
[10:42] <daniels> Kinnison: of course you can :)
[10:42] <daniels> Kinnison: if I can get my housemates ... (did you see that?)
[10:43] <jono> hi all
[10:43] <Kinnison> daniels: Oh yes; that caused much mirth
[10:43] <joem> wow, party in here
[10:43] <daniels> jono: hey dude
[10:43] <daniels> Kinnison: you need to start beatboxing
[10:43] <jono> daniels, heya man, hows it going?
[10:43] <daniels> jono: good thanks, you?
[10:44] <Kinnison> daniels: I *so* don't
[10:44] <jdub> jeez louise
[10:44] <jono> daniels, not so bad, just woke up, I have flu though :(
[10:44] <jdub> ubuntu-sounds is 9MB!
[10:44] <daniels> jono: ugh :\
[10:44] <jono> I did the Ubuntu review fo Linux Format magazine last night :)
[10:44] <daniels> Kinnison: you too can say wikkity-wikkity westgart :)
[10:44] <daniels> er, westgarth
[10:44] <daniels> jono: rad
[10:45] <daniels> jono: like it?
[10:45] <jono> daniels, I gave it 2/10
[10:45] <Kinnison> daniels: as words yes
[10:45] <Kinnison> daniels: I watched a program with someone beatboxing on it recently
[10:45] <Kinnison> daniels: it scared me
[10:45] <ross> Kinnison: please not on itv, saturday 
[10:45] <Kinnison> daniels: I'm sure human beings aren't meant to make those noises
[10:45] <daniels> Kinnison: rad :)
[10:45] <jdub> what sound playing command line tools do we have installed by default?
[10:46] <jdub> not sox or esdplay
[10:46] <jdub> hrm
[10:46] <Kinnison> ross: naah; ITV2 last night IIRC
[10:46] <daniels> jono: heh
[10:46] <jdub> ogg123
[10:46] <jdub> ahar
[10:46] <jono> naaa, I gave it 9/10
[10:46] <Kinnison> ross: I *accidentally* watched some of X-factor
[10:46] <daniels> Kinnison: have you heard rahzel?
[10:46] <Kinnison> daniels: No
[10:46] <ross> Kinnison: *shockingly bad*
[10:46] <Kinnison> ross: Indeed
[10:46] <daniels> Kinnison: singing and beatboxing, at the same time,. one guy, one windpipe, one mouth.
[10:46] <Kinnison> ross: But I got to see Sharon Osborne pour water over Nigel's head
[10:46] <ross> daniels: questlove live is rather impressive
[10:46] <daniels> ross: oooer
[10:47] <ross> Kinnison: damn, i missed the only good part
[10:47] <Kinnison> daniels: Yeah; that's roughly what this guy was doing
[10:47] <daniels> Kinnison: awesome!
[10:47] <jono> are there any plans to include more graphical config tools (such as YaST) into Ubuntu?
[10:47] <Kinnison> daniels: I fear that my tone-deafness and my lack of rhythm would work against me were I to try and beatbox
[10:48] <daniels> Kinnison: don't let that hinder you!
[10:48] <Kinnison> jono: I imagine it'll all be gnomeish
[10:48] <jono> that was the reason why Ubuntu got 9/10 instead of 10/10
[10:48] <edd> jono: the gnome system tools are already in and do that sort of stuff, no?
[10:49] <daniels> jono: gnome-system-tools, and I believe there are some more int he works for specific tasks (e.g. X)
[10:49] <jdub> jono: more g-s-t stuff as it comes along, but, um... NOT YAST
[10:49] <jono> edd, sure, but they don't allow you to configure anywhere near everything
[10:49] <daniels> yeah
[10:49] <daniels> yast is crack
[10:49] <jono> jdub, heh
[10:49] <jono> edd, congrats on the success of your book btw, I read your blog :)
[10:49] <edd> jono: thanks :)
[10:49] <jdub> erm:
[10:49] <jdub> 
[10:50] <jdub> ubuntu: ~
[10:50] <jdub> $ apt-cache show ubuntu-sounds | grep ^Size
[10:50] <jdub> Size: 8773960
[10:50] <jdub> ubuntu: ~
[10:50] <jdub> $ dpkg -L ubuntu-sounds | grep -c wav$
[10:50] <jdub> 17
[10:50] <jdub> 
[10:50] <jdub> yikes
[10:50] <jono> I wonder if gnome-system-tools will be expanded to cover more areas
[10:50] <Kinnison> jdub: merfle!
[10:50] <daniels> jdub: !
[10:51] <Kinnison> jono: I imagine so; over time.
[10:51] <jdub> jono: you should be reading planet gnome...
[10:51] <jdub> jono: there are some rad ones in the making, including a disk setup tool
[10:51] <jono> jdub, I do read planet gnome - well, I try to keep up :)
[10:51] <jono> jdub, disk setup, cool :)
[10:52] <joem> disk setup going to do resize and all of that fancy stuff, like a gparted?
[10:52] <jdub> yes
[10:53] <joem> cool
[10:53] <jono> I like the approach of g-s-m - I have written a lot on my o'reilly blog about the usability nightmare that is the kde control center - g-s-m seems smaller and more defined
[11:01] <psi> i seem to remember a 'Services' utility in GST, where you could configure what services to launch at boot time. why isn't it in ubuntu?
[11:02] <jdub> psi: it's not supported upstream, nor by us
[11:02] <psi> gotcha
[11:02] <joem> yea the package disables it by default
[11:02] <jdthood> psi: It has been removed from Debian too because it was broken.
[11:02] <jono> jdub, are you guys at Canonical actually hacking on code such as g-s-t to expand what they can do?
[11:02] <joebeastie> psi, if you are looking for an replacement try rcconf
[11:02] <jdub> jono: not a lot.
[11:02] <psi> joebeastie: thanks. i'll check it out.
[11:02] <jono> jdub, ahhh right
[11:02] <jdub> jono: (at this stage, anyway.)
[11:02] <jdthood> joebeastie: That has also been removed from sarge.  Try sysv-rc-conf instead.  Much better.
[11:02] <jono> I am gonna go get some breakfast
[11:02] <jono> jdub, right
[11:03] <joebeastie> jdthood : goodness. i just learned about rcconf the other day to :P
[11:04] <jdthood> joebeastie: rcconf does not disable services properly: it deletes their rc symlinks whereas it should rename them to something beginning with 'K'.
[11:05] <joebeastie> jdthood: you know i just used it the other day and it worked i believe the way you said it should work
[11:05] <joebeastie> i will check though
[11:06] <jdthood> joebeastie: Maybe the ubuntu version has been fixed?
[11:06] <joebeastie> jdthood: no idea
[11:07] <jdthood> In any case, sysv-rc-conf works and is more powerful.
[11:08] <LeeColleton> Hey.  When I suspend my IBM thinkpad X30 it won't resume properly.  The little battery light comes on but the suspend moon doesn't go out.  Button pressing doesn't help, requires hard power off.
[11:09] <LeeColleton> This is with ACPI disabled and the APM module loaded with kernel 2.6.8.1-686
[11:09] <LeeColleton> is this a bug or is there something i'm forgetting?
[11:10] <jdthood> Does g-s-t in ubuntu have a network admin module?
[11:12] <psi> i'm not sure if it's a gst tool, but there is a network settings application included
[11:12] <jdthood> psi: Applications|System Tools|Networking ?
[11:12] <daniels> LeeColleton: do you have ACPI disabled for a reason?
[11:13] <LeeColleton> yes, because APM conflicts with it
[11:13] <psi> jdthood: computer -> system configuration -> network
[11:13] <psi> and yes, it's from gst
[11:13] <zenwhen> Im going to dedicate my night time dialup time to downloading Ubuntu this week. It better wash my clothes for me. n_n
[11:15] <jdthood> psi: Beware of network admin too.  It needs work.
[11:16] <psi> i haven't had to use it, really
[11:17] <psi> i would like to able to setup WEP with it
[11:17] <psi> or even WPA
[11:18] <jdthood> psi: The safest thing to do is edit /etc/network/interfaces by hand.  There are currently no non-buggy tools available for configuring networking.  (None to my knowledge, anyway.)
[11:20] <psi> right
[11:20] <stub> psi: After you add the relevant lines for WEP to /etc/network/interfaces, don't run the network-admin tool or it will remove your fix
[11:21] <jdthood> stub: Really?  I wasn't aware of that bug.
[11:22] <stub> Ooh... I think I put that in my install report but forgot to follow it up with a bugzilla report. I'll do that now.
[11:22] <jdthood> stub: Are you sure you aren't thinking of webmin?  Webmin had that bug until the most recent release.
[11:23] <stub> Computer->System Configuration->Network is the one.
[11:23] <stub> Well - you can run it, but don't hit 'ok'
[11:24] <jdthood> stub: OK.  That's data loss and therefore RC for Debian's purposes.
[11:29] <bogl> Hi room!
[11:30] <pitti> Hi bogl
[11:31] <jdthood> stub: I just tested network-admin and it didn't delete my wireless-* options
[11:31] <stub> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1823
[11:31] <bogl> I'm downloading the iso for ubuntu.  Struggling to find the sys reqs either on the website or the wiki - anyone help?
[11:31] <stub> I did another test too - it is only if it needs to rewrite the config file for some reason (such as adding a new interface or trying to change your ip address)
[11:32] <Kinnison> bogl: sysreqs? If you mean system requirements; I wouldn't run it on < 400 MHz in < 128 megs of ram; but it will
[11:33] <bogl> Kinnison, that's what I'm looking for.  I've read a report that it will run tolerably on a 200 Mhz Cyrix  - anyone any experience?
[11:34] <Kinnison> bogl: the OS will; I imagine gnome will be a wee bit slow on that
[11:38] <jdthood> stub: network admin hung when I tried to add an interface.  I'll try again.
[11:40] <jdthood> stub: It's hanging again.  Such a POS it is.
[11:42] <stub> Report it to the ubuntu bugzilla and someone will look at it. I think there is already a crash reported against it as well (I think it was if the network name is wrong)
[11:43] <jdthood> OK, now I have simplified my /e/n/i file.  network-admin hasn't added the interface it says it added.
[11:45] <jdthood> I am simplifying /e/n/i some more ...
[11:46] <jdthood> ... and it is hanging again.
[11:49] <jdthood> I assume that this is because I am adding an interface definition for an interface that isn't installed on my system.
[11:54] <hre> i wonder if gpdf will be part of the final-release?
[12:10] <vincent> hre:  http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions?action=highlight&value=gpdf
[12:14] <nanotech> can anyone help me with some rythmbox problems?
[12:14] <Rhymes> hi all
[12:14] <nanotech> wb
[12:15] <Rhymes> i'm planning to switch to ubuntu from gentoo but i wish to know more about the packages support, i read i can't use debian repository...
[12:16] <Treenaks> Rhymes: there's universal, which has most debian packages
[12:17] <Treenaks> Rhymes: and if you really want to you can install Debian packages, but it's VERY much discouraged and not supported at all
[12:17] <Rhymes> Treenaks: ok, so this weekend I'll make the switch, i'm tired of gentoo :-P
[12:18] <Rhymes> Treenaks: what about apt-get src and general source support?
[12:18] <Mithrandir> Rhymes: why do you want to compile stuff yourself?
[12:19] <Rhymes> Mithrandir: i don't, but if i need a program that maybe not be in ubuntu packages i go sources, no?
[12:19] <xordoquy> hi
[12:19] <Treenaks> Rhymes: sure, but you don't need to compile stuff if it's packaged already.. (otherwise, you'll want to package it)
[12:19] <xordoquy> does anyone tried to install ubuntu on a 17" powerbook ?
[12:20] <nanotech> it is possible to sort rythmbox tracks in an automatic list?
[12:20] <Mithrandir> Rhymes: can you name something that's not packaged? :)
[12:20] <Rhymes> Mithrandir: i don't know, sometimes i find something not packaged even for gentoo :-P anyway don't bother, it's not a real problem
[12:21] <Mithrandir> Rhymes: I believe Debian's bigger than gentoo, and it's _very_ seldom I find stuff I want which isn't packaged.
[12:21] <Rhymes> ok
[12:21] <Rhymes> thanks for the tips
[12:21] <Rhymes> :)
[12:22] <Treenaks> last time I found something not packaged, it turned out to be obsolete and replaced by something else
[12:22] <pisuke> heh. printed a test page and it shows the ximian logo "ximian desktop test page". maybe you should have an ubuntu test page :-)
[12:23] <Treenaks> pisuke: already in the bug list :)
[12:23] <pisuke> nice
[12:24] <vrln> will there be a constantly moving development tree (that anyone can use) once ubuntu is released? (for the people who don't mind risking stability + want to try out the latest and the greatest asap)
[12:24] <Mithrandir> vrln: yes, the hoary tree will be opened when warty is out.
[12:24] <Mithrandir> vrln: and the perky tree once hoary is out, and so on.
[12:25] <wu_ming> hi, where does evolution2.0 store its account data(ie contacts, inbox emails, tasks)
[12:25] <vrln> thanks
[12:25] <wu_ming> it seems once 'rm -rf .evolution' makes no difference to it
[12:26] <Treenaks> wu_ming: ~/.evolution
[12:26] <wu_ming> it doesnt work
[12:26] <Treenaks> wu_ming: and in gconf.. gconf-editor
[12:26] <Mithrandir> wu_ming: you probably need to kill evolution-data-server first.
[12:26] <wu_ming> i got a evolution1.4, i need to import
[12:26] <wu_ming> but it wont erase from memory...aghhh
[12:27] <wu_ming> so how do i clean gconf bit
[12:27] <wu_ming> to totally erase the current data existence
[12:28] <Treenaks> wu_ming: you'll want to keep that..
[12:28] <wu_ming> i cant import 1.4 data though 
[12:28] <wu_ming> i put the old evolution folder into home..then run 'evolution' will always have old data
[12:29] <Treenaks> that's right, right?
[12:29] <wu_ming> no, it should start the importer functionality to automatically do conversion
[12:30] <Treenaks> wu_ming: only if gconf says the "current version" is < 2.0
[12:30] <Treenaks> I think!
[12:30] <wu_ming> so just change version number? i try
[12:31] <wu_ming> yeah it works now!!! thanks heap
[12:34] <nanotech> is there a projected release date for warthog?
[12:37] <seb128> nanotech: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fReleaseSchedule
[12:37] <spiv> nanotech: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog/ReleaseSchedule
[12:37] <spiv> seb128: :)
[12:37] <seb128> he he
[12:42] <psi> is the theme changer not working for anyone else?
[12:42] <psi> nothing happens if i click on another theme
[12:44] <vrln> I thought ubuntu should have all ports closed as default, is it true? Just wondering because I installed ubuntu on another comp yesturday and nmap noticed some open ports like rpc/800-something.
[12:45] <WW> psi: Works here.
[12:56] <daniels> vrln: iirc there is only one open, which is rpc portmap
[12:59] <vrln> I'll install ubuntu again later today and check again
[01:00] <joebeastie> wow ubuntu has been worked on since april 5?
[01:01] <thom> yeah, that's about right
[01:01] <joebeastie> so secret :)
[01:06] <vincent> psi: try to uninstall smooth-theme
[01:12] <psi> vincent: that didn't help
[01:12] <seb128> killall gnome-settings-daemon
[01:13] <psi> seb128: that did work :)
[01:13] <psi> i can change themes now
[01:14] <seb128> the problem is known, the fix not for the moment ... but killing the daemon works
[01:28] <nanotech> any rythmbox users?
[01:29] <Telep> well, just ran it for the first time :)
[01:29] <Telep> so I might qualify as a "user"
[01:30] <nanotech> heh, once you config some autoplaylists, let me know if you can sort 'em :P
[01:31] <Telep> hmm, I don't really use playlists much - can't be bothered :)
[01:32] <nanotech> playlists are the strength of that prog
[01:32] <nanotech> especially automatic playlists
[01:32] <nanotech> IMHO
[01:32] <Telep> well it's also just a very nice jukebox - like itunes
[01:33] <Telep> I was suprised that ubuntu installed without a glitch on my HP laptop
[01:34] <Telep> I have yet to try wireless, though
[01:34] <Treenaks> Telep: centrino?
[01:34] <Telep> yes
[01:34] <Treenaks> that should most likely Just Work
[01:34] <Telep> nice :)
[01:35] <Telep> I was also pleasantly suprised that it recognised my 1680x1050 widescreen :)
[01:35] <nanotech> i feel that itune's strength is it's autoplaylists, as well (as well as both r-box, and tunes's ability to "rate")
[01:35] <Treenaks> Telep: what type of laptop do you have?
[01:35] <nanotech> can someone briefly describe how i can install an RPM package
[01:35] <nanotech> i know it's redhat
[01:36] <Telep> nanotech, yes they have seemed very nice when I've played around with them, but I just haven't been bothered to use them much... maybe I should :)
[01:36] <jordi> nanotech: there's alien to do that. But in general, you avoid that.
[01:36] <Telep> Treenaks: HP Compaq nx7000
[01:36] <nanotech> telep, i sugest it...the dynamic nature of the autoplaylists is phenonimal
[01:37] <Treenaks> Telep: cool, I'll write that down.. it sounds like it has everything I want (widescreen, X is supported, wireless)
[01:39] <Telep> Treenaks: I'd been using a "precustomized" version of Gentoo before - done by a guy over at x1000forums.com. But since I was dying to try out Gnome 2.8 I thought I'd give Ubuntu a go :)
[01:42] <Telep> So far I can't say I'm missing much - I wasn't too familiar with the debian package management system (except via using Fink on Mac OS X) but it seems pretty straight forward to me, esp. using Synaptic.
[01:43] <Telep> OTOH I haven't installed much stuff yet ;)
[01:43] <Treenaks> Telep: try the console programs too (apt-cache/apt-get)
[01:44] <Telep> sure - btw, is there a quick way to search for a package with apt-get using a string?
[01:47] <jonathaN> Telep: apt-cache search <string>
[01:47] <Telep> ok, thanks
[01:59] <Telep> btw - what do I need to do to mount an ntfs partition in ubuntu? I only need read-only
[02:00] <mojo> any ppl here need to ssh to my PC to debug hw_random bug?
[02:01] <Telep> typing "sudo mount -t ntfs ..." etc mounts _something_, but without even read permissions - and I cant's seem to be able to change them, even using sudo
[02:01] <WW> Hey there, I'm trying to explain the "sudo" thing to someone.  If I set the root password, does the root then have like "normal"?  I.e. I can use "su", and I can login in as root?
[02:01] <WW> s/have/behave
[02:01] <WW>  /
[02:04] <Kamion> WW: yes
[02:05] <WW> Kamion: Thanks.
[02:14] <nanotech> quick q: when i complete apt-get update, and upgrade, is that running testing? unstable? what?
[02:14] <WW> nanotech: It's running ubuntu.
[02:14] <Kamion> that would depend what's in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:15] <nanotech> personally i have the ubuntu defaults, and universe
[02:16] <deFrysk> its a mix of unstable/testing afaIk
[02:19] <Kamion> deFrysk: not really
[02:19] <Kamion> deFrysk: it's a branch of unstable from late June with various newer changes synced across when we thought they were necessary, and many local changes
[02:21] <Telep> does the Ubuntu kernel support ntfs?
[02:21] <deFrysk> Kamion, i see
[02:27] <stub> Telep: yes - read only if that makes a difference
[02:27] <Telep> hmm
[02:29] <Telep> stub, I can't seem to be able to mount my ntfs partition with read access.
[02:30] <WW> Are there plans to include KDE in the future?
[02:30] <Telep> what would be the point in that?
[02:31] <Telep> there's about a million distros around, so focusing on something (gnome in this case) is probably a good idea
[02:32] <WW> I'm happy with gnome, but I hear this a lot: "Gnome only? Forget about it. I want my KDE!"
[02:34] <Kamion> Telep: modprobe ntfs?
[02:34] <Kamion> WW: it won't be part of standard Ubuntu
[02:34] <nanotech> i am currently mounting my 250 gb HDD ntfs in ubuntu
[02:35] <Kamion> WW: if community maintainers want to start an effort to support KDE, though, they'll be welcome
[02:35] <nanotech> a quick vim session to fstab
[02:35] <WW> Kamion: I see. Thanks.
[02:47] <blokkie> hi
[02:48] <housetier> moin
[03:33] <morganc> My USB flash drive stopped being detected when I plug it in. Before I post to the ml, what should I check?
[03:34] <ema> guys, ubuntu is cool, congrats :)
[03:34] <MyKq3> yeah its really grate... :))) keep on the good work
[03:35] <blokkie> my X server won't even start :-)
[03:35] <blokkie> and  be-latin1 kbd layout is not even in the install menu
[03:35] <morganc> blokkie: what hw u running?
[03:36] <morganc> blokkie: known bugs in be kbd handling. Hopefully fixed in full release in 2 wks...
[03:39] <Waldgeist> Aloha
[03:40] <Waldgeist> I got a problem with totem in ubuntu
[03:40] <beezly> hey Waldgeist
[03:40] <Waldgeist> just installed it and i cannot play any video..
[03:41] <Waldgeist> configured the gstreamer backend to x11 to avoid xV problems
[03:41] <Waldgeist> but still no video just a wonderfull crashing totem :o)
[03:41] <jdub> Waldgeist: erk, that won't help
[03:41] <jdub> Waldgeist: there's very little multimedia support included
[03:41] <jdub> Waldgeist: install totem-xine from universe, and get the w32codecs from elsewhere (it has been mentioned on the mailing list)
[03:42] <Waldgeist> jdub, mhkay.. thought the gstreamer backend is grown up enough..
[03:42] <jdub> Waldgeist: the backend still needs work, but on top of that, there are no free formats/codecs that we can support (other than the xiph ones)
[03:43] <Waldgeist> ook
[03:46] <Kamion> blokkie: I fixed that on Wednesday; current dailies should work
[03:46] <morganc> Waldgeist: w32codecs from this apt source: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main (if I typed it wrong check the mailing list archives)
[03:47] <bdale> any change in grub for amd64 since the preview release that might have fixed my problem booting on an SK8V?
[03:47] <Kamion> bdale: what's the problem?
[03:48] <bdale> Kamion: hangs after the "please wait" 
[03:48] <Kamion> hmph. not XFS?
[03:49] <bdale> Kamion: first reboot after an install-from-scratch using the warty preview iso for amd64
[03:49] <herzi> ppp broken? i get syntax errors in /usr/bin/pon can sombody verify this? i'll submit a bug report then
[03:49] <blokkie> Kamion, I run amd64 version ,  ati radeon 9600 
[03:49] <bdale> Kamion: I've tried various things, including turning off the menu hiding, installing the grub from sid, etc.  same machine with a different disk boots amd64 sid happily
[03:50] <bdale> I particularly don't understand why the same grub version once installed didn't fix the problem?
[03:51] <bdale> (booted from CD, mounted the filesystem, chrooted into it, fetched the .deb of the grub version I'm running on the other disk, installed it, re-ran the grub installer, etc)
[03:52] <blokkie> is there a xorg xserver dep available ? 
[03:52] <blokkie> coz that server supports my hw 
[03:53] <mjg59> blokkie: Radeon 9600 should be supported fine by the XFree package
[03:56] <blokkie> it just caught signal 11 . 
[03:56] <blokkie> thats all
[03:57] <Xiao> hello. is there anybody able to answer questions about ubuntu on amd64 platform?
[03:59] <phloww> whats it all about the ubuntu universal tree ?
[04:01] <p0int> hey guys
[04:01] <phloww> i did an apt-get upgrade 4 days ago, today i did it again: 50 packages to update
[04:01] <phloww> whats that all about
[04:01] <phloww> so many bugs corrected ?
[04:02] <p0int> packages.debian.org ... www.apt-get.org ... what's the equivalent for ubuntu? =)
[04:02] <phloww> sudo apt-cache search <packetname>
[04:03] <phloww> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/
[04:04] <p0int> ok..
[04:04] <thom> phloww: we're still in major bugsquash mode, so yeah, that many bugs fixed
[04:06] <whiprush> they both show up for me p0int 
[04:07] <p0int> i've installed ubuntu on a machine at work.
[04:07] <p0int> but this afternoon, i was also messing around with sudo.
[04:07] <p0int> and i did sudo chmod 640 /etc/sudoers 
[04:08] <p0int> so i will have to bring a friggin bootdisk tomorrow to restore it to 440....
[04:08] <phloww> thom: oh, well... well done
[04:12] <p0int> nooooo.. it has old old plone...
[04:15] <npmccallum> jdub: pong
[04:22] <mxpxpod> jdub: ok, I figured out what was wrong with SA
[04:23] <maswan> Mithrandir: you around?
[04:23] <mxpxpod> jdub: for some reason, it was using bogofilter as well as itself... which wasw strange to me
[04:28] <Anna> Hi, my bottom panel crashed at startup with all apps having gone at restart. I added all the functions again with the application launcher (e.g. show desktop, switch working environment, trashcan) but now, when I minimize windows (any window of any program), they are not visible in the panel. Like they evaporate into nirvana.
[04:28] <sanxiyn> Add taskbar?
[04:29] <Anna> I did that.
[04:29] <deFrysk> add windows list
[04:29] <deFrysk> in panel
[04:30] <Anna> how do I add a window list in the panel?
[04:30] <deFrysk> rightklik emty spot in panel
[04:30] <sanxiyn> Right click on panel, add, window list.
[04:30] <deFrysk> add to panel
[04:30] <deFrysk> and choose windows list
[04:30] <Hrdwr_BoB> it's devilishly hard
[04:30] <Anna> oh ok, stupid me
[04:31] <deFrysk> they ease of gnome makes it hard on people
[04:31] <Anna> hehe
[04:31] <Anna> it worked..
[04:31] <deFrysk> they = the
[04:31] <Anna> thanks a lot.
[04:32] <Anna> Well, I'm also a week into GNU/Linux...
[04:32] <Hrdwr_BoB> what do you think so far?
[04:32] <deFrysk> I checked the about button of my windows list to figure out the name hehe
[04:32] <Anna> So that considering, I'm doing pretty well;-)
[04:32] <sanxiyn> deFrysk: Oh.
[04:33] <|trey|> Anna: where you coming from? you liking it so far?
[04:33] <sanxiyn> deFrysk: Your LANG?
[04:33] <Anna> Trey, yes I love it
[04:33] <deFrysk> Anna, a week in linux and aready in the best ditro :)
[04:33] <deFrysk> sanxiyn, i think you misundersood me
[04:34] <deFrysk> darn typo's
[04:34] <sanxiyn> deFrysk: heh.
[04:34] <|trey|> Anna: :)  Ubuntu isn't a release yet though... so you might be seeing a few problems so far that will go away  :)
[04:34] <deFrysk> my lang is us english
[04:34] <Anna> I must admit it is quite humbling to be defeated by moron tasks and constantly being reminded by ones limitations, but it's part of the excitement.
[04:35] <deFrysk> I was on fedora until a few days ago
[04:35] <|trey|> Anna: learning is fun... been using Debian (what Ubuntu is based on) for about 3 years... still learning things  :)
[04:35] <|trey|> deFrysk: I knew I recognized the screenname  8-)
[04:36] <Hrdwr_BoB> I have run debian for years now
[04:36] <deFrysk> lol |trey| was it you who was spamming in #fedora ?
[04:36] <Hrdwr_BoB> I finally got a sysadmin job where I use only debian
[04:36] <Anna> Actually, I have made this pre-release my main OS... I'm not doing much. Browsing the web, writing some letters, very basic stuff.. just the type of tasks people would do that Ubuntu is intended for;-)
[04:36] <Hrdwr_BoB> ok
[04:36] <Hrdwr_BoB> bed time!
[04:37] <|trey|> deFrysk: no... I got in several arguments in there though  :/
[04:37] <sanxiyn> Anna: Wonderful.
[04:37] <deFrysk> Someone talked about the speed of ubuntu in #fedora
[04:37] <deFrysk> made me curious
[04:37] <|trey|> deFrysk: Debian Package Management is superier, I guess they couldn't take that though  8-)
[04:37] <deFrysk> that person was right tho
[04:38] <|trey|> deFrysk: its as fast as Debian  :/
[04:38] <deFrysk> |trey|, I noticed the speed of debian based with libranet a few yrs ago
[04:38] <|trey|> deFrysk: never tried libranet  :/
[04:39] <|trey|> It offers nothing other Debian... Ubuntu does though...
[04:39] <deFrysk> I hope ubuntu wil incorporate a adminmenu tool
[04:39] <deFrysk> its ideal for setting up services and automated recompiling of the kernel
[04:39] <|trey|> deFrysk: I actually hope it goes more in the direction of RedHat/Fedora... which looks likely with how much Python stuff is installed already...
[04:40] <deFrysk> |trey|, not too much kde-deps i hope :s
[04:40] <sanxiyn> Well, Ubuntu is mostly Debian.
[04:40] <blokkie> okay .. all is going well now :-) cool default desktop
[04:40] <|trey|> deFrysk: RedHat takes a more UNIX type view... simple tools to do specific tasks... YaST/Admintool etc... these are bulky and slow...
[04:40] <sanxiyn> Quote: "But the appeal for me is simple. A newly installed Ubuntu system looks pretty much the same as my Debian unstable system after I've finished configuring it." --Edd Dumbill.
[04:41] <|trey|> deFrysk: I think they will ensure nothing about KDE is required  8-)
[04:41] <deFrysk> |trey|, yast2 killed suse
[04:42] <axe9dotcom> meow??
[04:42] <|trey|> sanxiyn: That is EXACTLY why I am still using Ubuntu... it is what I would have my desktop look like if I knew how  :)
[04:42] <madduck> quack
[04:42] <deFrysk> |trey|, I like the community apprroach of fedora , it seems ubuntu does something like that too 
[04:42] <|trey|> deFrysk: blah... never had it break anything... but it certainly annoys me  :/
[04:42] <axe9dotcom> rawr!
[04:42] <axe9dotcom> lol
[04:42] <|trey|> deFrysk: Fedora's community is based on Debian... Ubuntu IS Debian, but released more regularly, and with some tweaks...
[04:42] <axe9dotcom> -_- so tired
[04:43] <sanxiyn> deFrysk: Which "community approach"?
[04:43] <deFrysk> frendly
[04:43] <|trey|> sanxiyn: the one they copied from Debian...
[04:43] <deFrysk> more open to questions without the rtfm answers
[04:43] <|trey|> deFrysk: only thing that is bad about Fedora is its a dictatorship...
[04:43] <|trey|> that and package management :/
[04:44] <sanxiyn> |trey|: I think what deFrysk means is different.
[04:44] <deFrysk> |trey|, its governd by a commercial distro
[04:44] <|trey|> deFrysk: which is bad imo
[04:44] <deFrysk> |trey|, I dont agree
[04:44] <axe9dotcom> Anyone want Gmail?
[04:44] <|trey|> axe9dotcom: if you're offering  :)
[04:44] <axe9dotcom> :)
[04:44] <axe9dotcom> email
[04:44] <|trey|> want to play with GmailFS  :)
[04:44] <deFrysk> axe9dotcom, to late already got it
[04:45] <sanxiyn> deFrysk: So you think Debian community is not open to question and rtfm-oriented?
[04:45] <|trey|> fearl@cox.net Francis  :)
[04:45] <deFrysk> sanxiyn, my last experiences yes
[04:45] <deFrysk> (a while ago)
[04:45] <sanxiyn> deFrysk: Well, http://debianusers.org/ have been friendly to me. :-)
[04:45] <sanxiyn> (Korean Debian community.)
[04:45] <deFrysk> sanxiyn, times che=ange , approaches change
[04:45] <sanxiyn> Perhaps different in other places.
[04:46] <deFrysk> I noticed the rtfm culture is kinda dissapearing
[04:46] <axe9dotcom> I think I have a total of 18 invites ^^;
[04:46] <sanxiyn> deFrysk: RTFM is good. It saves time.
[04:46] <deFrysk> so not unlikely thats happening in debian too
[04:46] <|trey|> deFrysk: there are many Debian users that perhaps too experienced... Ubuntu and Fedora's target audiances are the same, thus the approach to users will be simular...
[04:47] <deFrysk> sanxiyn, I rtfm myself to death
[04:47] <axe9dotcom> aight
[04:47] <axe9dotcom> setn
[04:47] <|trey|> axe9dotcom: thank you  :)
[04:47] <deFrysk> |trey|, agree
[04:48] <sanxiyn> Gentoo forum is very open to questions and friendly, IMO. :-)
[04:48] <deFrysk> gentoo is pretty good too yes
[04:48] <Anna> LOL. I just just a funny warning. XSane told me it didn't find my USB scanner, and in its help suggested that perhaps the device needs root privilege or something. So I opened the root terminal as I haven't figured out yet how to log in as admin, and following warning came: "You try to run Xsane as ROOT, that is really DANGEROUS! Do not send in any bug reports when you have any problem running xsane as root. YOU ARE ALONE!" Needless to say I p
[04:48] <deFrysk> only I dont like the endless compiling
[04:48] <|trey|> deFrysk: you must see it from their pov though... if you KNOW FOR A FACT that something is documented, and explained well... wouldn't you be frustrated that you are being asked to paraphrase the same thing?
[04:49] <deFrysk> |trey|, I agree 
[04:49] <deFrysk> sometimes it better to lurk then to respond
[04:50] <cvd> l
[04:50] <Anna> I guess I wont ever try to run xsane as root again. I promise.
[04:50] <|trey|> deFrysk: yup... or just read logs often  :)
[04:50] <deFrysk> |trey|, logging yes :)
[04:50] <sanxiyn> Anna: That sounds frstrating. :(
[04:50] <sanxiyn> s/frst/frust/
[04:51] <|trey|> axe9dotcom: about how long does it usually take to get the invite?  :(
[04:51] <Anna> No, not really frustrated, because I know that the problem is just that I lack the information to the solution
[04:51] <deFrysk> gmail rocks 1000meg!
[04:51] <|trey|> Anna: thats the most frustrating thing I am ever faced with... I hate not knowing about something I am playing with  :(
[04:52] <|trey|> axe9dotcom: never mind, I got it, I'm just impatient... thank you very much  :)
[04:53] <axe9dotcom> An invitation has been emailed to your friend Francis at fearl@cox.net.
[04:53] <axe9dotcom> A copy of this invitation has been saved in your Sent Mail folder.
[04:53] <axe9dotcom> Invite another friend   Close Window 
[04:53] <axe9dotcom> lol
[04:53] <Anna> Well, that pretty much describes my entire existence as noobie;-) But since I'm not under any pressure, I'll just take it slowly and scan <cough> trough the documentation.
[04:53] <axe9dotcom> I had to try three times =_=
[04:54] <|trey|> axe9dotcom: signed up  8)
[04:55] <|trey|> It is taking rather long to redirect me though  :(
[04:55] <Anna> That is, I have to find the documentation first. But as far as I'm seeing it, Ubuntu has already created a nice buzz on the net, especially since its installer finally makes Debian accessible to beginners. 
[04:55] <axe9dotcom> :-D
[04:55] <axe9dotcom> I love Gmail
[04:55] <Waldgeist> mh.. i cannot get sound running.. there is no /dev/dsp but every program seems to want it.. 
[04:55] <axe9dotcom> The filter rocks too
[04:55] <Waldgeist> the sounddriver is working ( or so alsa said )
[04:55] <Waldgeist> but nothing is coming out of the speakers
[04:56] <axe9dotcom> hey
[04:56] <axe9dotcom> in your terminal
[04:56] <Anna> anyway, I'll stop spamming the chat with small talk. CU guys later and thanks again.
[04:56] <axe9dotcom> run lsmod
[04:56] <deFrysk> when date span is set on 1 month ubuntu is at nr17 in distrowatch
[04:56] <axe9dotcom> bye
[04:57] <Waldgeist> snd_maestro3           22824  5
[04:57] <Waldgeist> snd_ac97_codec         59268  1 snd_maestro3
[04:57] <Waldgeist> snd_pcm                85540  2 snd_maestro3
[04:57] <Waldgeist> snd_page_alloc         11144  1 snd_pcm
[04:57] <Waldgeist> snd_timer              23172  1 snd_pcm
[04:57] <Waldgeist> snd                    50660  13 snd_maestro3,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer
[04:57] <|trey|> deFrysk: thats higher then Fedora was during its first testing cycle  :)
[04:58] <axe9dotcom> yep
[04:58] <axe9dotcom> ok
[04:58] <axe9dotcom> run
[04:58] <axe9dotcom> modprobe snd-es1968
[04:58] <axe9dotcom> and
[04:58] <axe9dotcom> modprobe snd-es1938
[04:58] <deFrysk> |trey|, not bad :)
[04:59] <|trey|> deFrysk: not at all... a lot of geeks are switching too... thats the best sign I have seen in Ubuntu's favor  :)
[04:59] <axe9dotcom> Wal
[04:59] <axe9dotcom> You might need to use Sudo too
[04:59] <axe9dotcom> lol
[04:59] <Waldgeist> axe9dotcom, i use the root terminal its sudoed
[04:59] <axe9dotcom> you need to fix whatever made my drive go coocoo
[04:59] <axe9dotcom> ok'
[05:00] <|trey|> deFrysk: most Fedora users at first were RedHat employees, or RedHat users... Ubuntu is attracting everyone  :)
[05:00] <axe9dotcom> it come up?
[05:00] <axe9dotcom> if so
[05:00] <deFrysk> |trey|, good news :)
[05:00] <axe9dotcom> go to the volume control, and make sure everything is on, and up, and not muted
[05:01] <Waldgeist> axe9dotcom, nothings muted..
[05:01] <|trey|> deFrysk: very... not least because the more people that use the preview, the more bugs reported, the better the release will be  :)
[05:01] <Waldgeist> everythings up
[05:01] <axe9dotcom> ok
[05:01] <axe9dotcom> um
[05:01] <axe9dotcom> tpye in..
[05:01] <Waldgeist> :o)
[05:01] <sanxiyn> /dev/dsp is owned by audio, /dev/fb0 by video, but I see no group for scanners...
[05:01] <Waldgeist> sanxiyn, hey you got a /dev/dsp ?
[05:01] <Waldgeist> nothing here
[05:01] <axe9dotcom> what's the command for the mixer?
[05:01] <Waldgeist> alsamixer ?
[05:01] <|trey|> alsamixer
[05:01] <axe9dotcom> yeah
[05:02] <axe9dotcom> make sure stuff isn't muted there 
[05:02] <Waldgeist> did that
[05:02] <axe9dotcom> thast worked for me last night
[05:02] <axe9dotcom> oh
[05:02] <axe9dotcom> donno
[05:02] <axe9dotcom> XD I'm a newbie
[05:02] <Waldgeist> i use alsa on 4 other machines
[05:02] <|trey|> axe9dotcom: so very technical that word... stuff  ;)
[05:02] <axe9dotcom> hehe
[05:02] <Waldgeist> ubuntu is strange :o)
[05:02] <axe9dotcom> just trying to help if I can.. I bothered you people for a week and a half =_=
[05:02] <Waldgeist> i thought it would be easier to configure than debian
[05:03] <|trey|> Waldgeist: Ubuntu is logical... you're just not used to that  :)
[05:03] <|trey|> Waldgeist: not yet... it basically is Debian with GNOME 2.8 right now...
[05:03] <Waldgeist> |trey|, how logical is that ? alsas working, mixer is full, everything should work but its not :o)
[05:03] <|trey|> Waldgeist: its not a release, bugs are expected  8)
[05:03] <axe9dotcom> your speakers pluged in>
[05:04] <ulmen> Waldgeist: /dev/dsp is the oss device ... tell your apps to use alsa or enable the oss-emulation
[05:04] <axe9dotcom> not saying your stupid or anything
[05:04] <Waldgeist> |trey|, i use debian experimental i am used to bugs hehe
[05:04] <sanxiyn> Waldgeist: Hehe.
[05:04] <Waldgeist> axe9dotcom, hehe.. ..
[05:04] <axe9dotcom> I kept wondering why my hard drive wasn't spinning
[05:04] <|trey|> Waldgeist: used that for a while... can't wait for APT to make it to Sid, and thusly Hoary  :)
[05:04] <Waldgeist> ulmen, yeah i better try the oss emulation..
[05:04] <axe9dotcom> and then I opened the case and realized that the ps connector was out XD
[05:05] <|trey|> 0.6's gpg features are nice  :)
[05:05] <axe9dotcom> I forgot to plug it back in when I was screwing with the jumpers
[05:05] <axe9dotcom> bye yeall
[05:05] <|trey|> axe9dotcom: later, thanks again :)
[05:05] <y0ann> hi
[05:05] <|trey|> y0ann: hey
[05:06] <|trey|> y0ann: need help?
[05:06] <|trey|> y0ann = Anna ?
[05:06] <y0ann> |trey|: non for the moment i'm doing my fisrt ubuntu install
[05:06] <y0ann> |trey|: i'm a guy ;)
[05:06] <sanxiyn> y0ann: Welcome!
[05:07] <|trey|> y0ann: ohh.. my mistake... good luck  :)
[05:07] <y0ann> sanxiyn: thank :)
[05:07] <|trey|> y0ann: its still beta, so cross your fingers  :)
[05:07] <y0ann> |trey|: I am crossing my finger 
[05:08] <|trey|> :)
[05:08] <y0ann> fisrt gnome starting ....
[05:08] <|trey|> gdm you mean  ;)
[05:08] <y0ann> it seems to be working :)
[05:09] <y0ann> |trey|: yes ;)
[05:09] <sanxiyn> y0ann: Yay.
[05:09] <|trey|> First time I booted, xresprobe was horribly wrong... you are lucky :)
[05:10] <|trey|> reinstalled since though, and realized it was fixed  :)
[05:12] <y0ann> |trey|: i've not been asked about a root password ...
[05:13] <Agrajag> y0ann: ubuntu doesn't set a root password
[05:13] <Agrajag> it adds the user you created to sudoers with full privileges
[05:14] <y0ann> Agrajag: ok :)
[05:14] <Agrajag> you CAN set a root password if you wish, but it's really not necessary
[05:14] <y0ann> Agrajag: ok thank you :)
[05:16] <daniels> treyh0: heh
[05:16] <daniels> |trey|: xresprobe has been an interesting journey
[05:17] <arachne> y0ann: i use sudo -s
[05:18] <deFrysk> awkard living without a root passwd
[05:19] <Agrajag> deFrysk: well like I said, you don't have to
[05:19] <Agrajag> sudo passwd root
[05:19] <deFrysk> arachne, I know
[05:22] <dalderman> hi guys, anyone here tried recompiling a kernel yet?
[05:22] <dalderman> I posted on the list about it but nobody has replied
[05:22] <splatch> salut
[05:22] <splatch> hi
[05:23] <dalderman> I think there is a problem if I use the config from the stock kernel and recompile hal and framebuffer break
[05:24] <dalderman> should I file a bug?
[05:27] <dalderman> mdz, are you in?
[05:35] <palfrey> I'm attempting to submit a bug on the ubuntu bugzilla, but every time I try I get "You must choose a component to file this bug in. If necessary, just guess". I've entered a valid package name (polypaudio-x11), but I keep getting this error. any ideas?
[05:35] <krischan> Can anybody say if the IDE 'Eclipse' is available as package for Ubuntu?
[05:35] <krischan> palfrey: The component is not the package name.
[05:36] <krischan> A component is a set of packages, a component composes of selected packages. The three components are "main", "restricted" and "universe".
[05:37] <palfrey> ok... that's surprising. other bugzilla's i would suspect package names. so i should put the package name somewhere in the description instead?
[05:38] <Kamion> er, the component is the package name
[05:38] <Kamion> at least in bugzilla
[05:38] <palfrey> just tried with "universe" instead. same problem
[05:38] <krischan> palfrey: Probably, I'm not familiar with the formular. But component does not refer to the package. The concept of components is explained at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[05:38] <Kamion> krischan: yes it does in bugzilla
[05:38] <Kamion> krischan: the word is overloaded
[05:39] <Kamion> palfrey: most of the package names from universe haven't been added as bugzilla components
[05:39] <Kamion> palfrey: just use 'UNKNOWN' as the component for now
[05:39] <krischan> Kamion: oops, I didn't know that! I thought so because of the component-concept that's driven by Ubuntu.
[05:39] <palfrey> ah-ha. little pop-up box just turned up as i started typing. looks promising....
[05:39] <Kamion> krischan: that use of 'component' comes from the Debian archive layout
[05:40] <krischan> palfrey: Sorry if I spread confusion!
[05:40] <Kamion> krischan: unfortunately any time you try to come up with names for different collections of packages, you find there are only so many words to use and name clashes tend to arise ...
[05:40] <MyKq3> hello
[05:40] <sanitario> okey, how's the best way to get a new XF86Config-4? auto-probed like the install does?
[05:41] <palfrey> i figured package names given as debian bug system separates bugs by package name. can't someone automate the adding of all the current ubuntu package names to the bugzilla form?
[05:41] <MyKq3> do i have a package for VM java 
[05:41] <Kamion> palfrey: the problem is that if we did that the bugzilla form would take about a month to download
[05:41] <krischan> Kamion: I see. And the Linux world hasn't come to an agreement about that yet?
[05:41] <MyKq3> does Ubuntu have java VM?***
[05:41] <Kamion> krischan: it's not really subject to agreement
[05:42] <Kamion> krischan: there are all sorts of things you want to call things in different contexts
[05:42] <Kamion> krischan: language is ambiguous :-)
[05:42] <whiprush> MyKq3: there's an apt source for java, but it's unofficial, you can also download it from sun
[05:42] <dalderman> MyKq3, there is also kaffe
[05:43] <MyKq3> thanks
[05:43] <krischan> Kamion: yes, that's gift and curse! :)
[05:43] <dalderman> MyKq3, they can't redist the sun jvm, nobody is allowed to without paying uber amounts of money to sun
[05:43] <palfrey> well then not doing autocomplete on the package names might be a brighter idea. or only doing autocomplete for say the top 100 or so packages, and allowing everything else to get entered manually
[05:43] <Agrajag> dalderman: what about blackdown?
[05:43] <dalderman> Agrajag, they paid Sun
[05:43] <Agrajag> oh ok
[05:44] <Kamion> palfrey: considering that universe is unsupported, we don't really want to encourage people to file lots of bugs in our bugzilla about it, though
[05:44] <MyKq3> do u know the name of the package that i need to look for 
[05:44] <Agrajag> I thought it was a separate vm
[05:44] <MyKq3> cuse when i try to look got JAVA* i find nothingy
[05:44] <Mithrandir> maswan: yes
[05:44] <krischan> MyKq3: If you're interested to install a Java VM, this link provides a good step-by-setp description: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian
[05:44] <dalderman> Agrajag, the vm itself is seperate, anyone can write that, it's the class libraries that cost
[05:44] <MyKq3> thank u very much ^^
[05:45] <whiprush> hmm, those instructions are kind of complicated
[05:45] <sanitario> anyone knows how to auto-probe an XF86Config-4 like the ubuntu-install does? 
[05:45] <Agrajag> X --configure I think
[05:46] <Agrajag> or maybe -configure, or --config, or -config
[05:46] <Agrajag> something like that, check the manual
[05:46] <palfrey> kamion: the problem is when there are universe packages that have packaging problems (like in my case). these should certainly be fixed/removed.
[05:46] <dalderman> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-sfree86
[05:46] <dalderman> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[05:46] <MyKq3> i really don't undertend much about java ... r u sure that java sdk = java VM... i reammber that its diffrent. like that SDK is for divelopt ...
[05:46] <sanitario> dalderman: somehow that does not write and XF86Config-4 ...
[05:47] <dalderman> ??
[05:47] <krischan> whiprush: Well, they are detailed. The only thing I don't like is that in two weeks I wouldn't remember all those steps by heart. That makes it a bit user-unfriendly in my eyes.
[05:47] <dalderman> should do
[05:47] <whiprush> I just use the one source
[05:47] <whiprush> it sets the environment variables and everything
[05:47] <sanitario> dalderman: I know, but it does not, neither does apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xfree86
[05:47] <whiprush> deb http://debian.innovationsw.com/debian unstable/i386/
[05:48] <dalderman> MyKq3, the vm is the interpreter, it runs java class files.  Most java programs require the java class libraries to run, which come witht he runtime and developemtn libraries... rt.jar
[05:48] <whiprush> don't blame me if mcnealey comes to your house and has you hauled away though. :p
[05:48] <Kamion> palfrey: universe is unsupported; this includes packaging problems ...
[05:48] <Kamion> palfrey: usually the right answer is going to be to report the problem to whoever upstream of Ubuntu is responsible for the package
[05:49] <krischan> whiprush: yep, using source works as well. I want to use packages whereever possible, that's why I decided to use those instructions.
[05:49] <aj> Kamion: fwiw, dist-upgrade on my old ibook worked fairly seemlessly; X remains broken though
[05:49] <Kamion> aj: what were you dist-upgrading from, again?
[05:50] <dalderman> sanitario, in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 there are the lines...
[05:50] <aj> Kamion: month or so out of date sarge; X dies when suspending or switching to VCs basically
[05:50] <dalderman> sanitario, # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
[05:50] <dalderman> # values from the debconf database.
[05:50] <dalderman> sanitario, # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
[05:50] <dalderman> # values from the debconf database.
[05:50] <Kamion> palfrey: (as it happens, I think Jeff Waugh did the polyp stuff, so he'll probably deal with your bug in this case; just speaking of the general case ...)
[05:50] <dalderman> oops
[05:50] <dalderman> sorry
[05:50] <daniels> aj: what sort of card do you have?
[05:51] <dalderman> sanitario, # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xfree86 package upgrades *only*
[05:51] <dalderman> # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xfree86
[05:51] <dalderman> # package.
[05:51] <aj> daniels: it's an old ibook -- original dual usb model; r128 is the driver.
[05:51] <palfrey> kamion: i would suggest mentioning this prominently on the ubuntu bugzilla, as otherwise you're going to get a lot of confused ex-debian folk. the upstream package manager in this case is actually a @canonical person btw
[05:51] <daniels>  aj bizzare, i thought we fixed all thta
[05:51] <daniels> aj: erm, assume i typed the above without typos
[05:51] <Kamion> palfrey: ... as I said :)
[05:52] <aj> daniels: it broke in my last sarge upgrade, which was from early 2004 to july 2004 or so i think
[05:52] <sanitario> dalderman: I happened to delete it... trying with the one generated by X -configure
[05:52] <daniels> aj: any ideas as to which versions?
[05:53] <aj> daneils: no, not really; probably one of the feb versions or so at a guess
[05:53] <daniels> aj: ok, I'll try to see if anything changed at a glance, but no idea off the top of my head, sorry; then again, I'm hardly Mr XSF, so Fabio might be better to ask
[05:54] <aj> *shrug*
[05:55] <dablitz> can someone tell me how to install or run the sshd server within ubuntu
[05:55] <Kamion> palfrey: just filed https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1840
[05:55] <Kamion> dablitz: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[05:55] <dablitz> thankyou
[05:58] <krischan> I'd like to know more about the difference between GStreamer and Xine. The Ubuntu FAQ says, of course you can use totem-xine instead of totem-gstreamer, but that wouldn't be as cool and integrating like using GStreamer. Okay, what would be my advantages? Let's say my position is: with totem-xine I can watch my old AVIs, with totem-gstreamer I can't, so why should I change?
[06:09] <Agrajag> you shouldn't, since xine works and gstreamer doesn't.
[06:10] <Agrajag> gstreamer is a media decoding/streaming/whatever library for gnome, but it's really still in its infancy and doesn't work all that great
[06:11] <deFrysk> in gnome 2.10 gstreamer wil replace xine
[06:11] <Agrajag> deFrysk: huh
[06:13] <jeld> hello all
[06:13] <tardmac> so ubuntu has much more up-to-date packages compared to debian, eh?
[06:14] <ggi> tardmac: Compared to woody, yes.
[06:14] <subterrific> Agrajag: he means that by gnome 2.10, gstreamer should be as mature as xine, and will be part of the default gnome install. thats the plan at least
[06:14] <tardmac> ah
[06:14] <Agrajag> isn't it part of the default install already?
[06:14] <tardmac> comparable to sid?
[06:14] <subterrific> Agrajag: no
[06:14] <Agrajag> ok
[06:14] <rcaskey> Is there a way to copy a cd in nautilus byte for byte?
[06:14] <Kamion> tardmac: somewhat older than current sid in some cases, somewhat newer in others (e.g. GNOME)
[06:14] <jeld> gnome keyboard switching applet, are the flag pictures in a different package than gnome-applets?
[06:15] <Agrajag> in nautilus, no
[06:15] <Agrajag> just use dd
[06:15] <inklingx> are there any user-orientated docs on gstreamer btw?
[06:15] <tardmac> not bleeding edge, like gentoo
[06:15] <Agrajag> or cdrdao
[06:15] <rcaskey> Agrajag: taht's a real shame though
[06:15] <Agrajag> rcaskey: so write a script to do it
[06:15] <runo> greetings people; I'd like to know who is in charge of translations,
[06:15] <rcaskey> I need to
[06:15] <Agrajag> tardmac: I dunno
[06:15] <Agrajag> gentoo doesn't even have gnome 2.8 yet
[06:16] <rcaskey> I've been meaning to do that for work too with a nice Aqua frontend
[06:16] <Agrajag> at least not last I checked, and not without major problems with HAL and dbus
[06:16] <jeld> Agrajag: hmmm... actually they do, but it is masked for testing ATM
[06:16] <Agrajag> yeah
[06:16] <Agrajag> because of the major problems
[06:16] <Kamion> runo: our translation infrastructure isn't finished yet; for now, please file bugs
[06:17] <runo> Kamion: ok, thanks
[06:17] <maswan> Mithrandir: Just thought I saw some references here, are there any x40 models to avoid or are the current ones all equally good?
[06:17] <Mithrandir> maswan: I think they all work well
[06:18] <Mithrandir> maswan: basically, it's all the same machine, but with/without bluetooth, wlan, different-sized battery
[06:18] <Mithrandir> and so on.
[06:18] <maswan> Mithrandir: Ok, not 25 different wlan types or something evil like that then.
[06:18] <Mithrandir> maswan: you should possibly talk to mjg59 or thom, they both have it.
[06:18] <maswan> Mithrandir: Ok.
[06:18] <maswan> Mithrandir: I just rembered you talking about it. :)
[06:19] <Mithrandir> yeah, I'm probably going to buy myself one this fall-ish
[06:19] <Keybuk> I think the x40 come with either of the Centrino ipw chipsets
[06:19] <mjg59> maswan: Only potential problem is choice of wireless card
[06:19] <mjg59> The Intel ones are supported
[06:19] <thom> the current default wireless is ipw2100, which is supported and works
[06:19] <daniels> the x40 comes with ipw2100 and atheros
[06:20] <maswan> Ok, hmm, wonder if that means "IBM 11b Wi-Fi" isn't supported then. :/
[06:20] <daniels> maswan: that's centrino also
[06:20] <maswan> daniels: Ok. As in working?
[06:20] <daniels> maswan: the x40 is love. i can highly recommend ordering one -- it's a satisfying experience.
[06:20] <daniels> even though I still want a bloody Powerbook.
[06:20] <Keybuk> daniels: have you ordered yours yet?
[06:20] <daniels> maswan: I believe so, but not entirely sure
[06:20] <Keybuk> ugh, why would you want a Powerbook?  they suck
[06:20] <maswan> daniels: Well, I am ordering one for work tomorrow, that's why I'm curious
[06:20] <Telep> daniels: don't we all :)
[06:21] <daniels> don't make a buying decision based on me, else I'll feel guilty
[06:21] <rcaskey> daniels: I like my G3 ibook ;)
[06:21] <Kamion> Keybuk: feel the powerbook love
[06:21] <thom> feel the lack of wireless pain
[06:21] <rcaskey> Someone should start doing aftermark button additions on pwoerbooks ;)
[06:21] <maswan> daniels: Well, "IBM 11b Wi-Fi" is the full specification on the cheap one. I guess I'll have to talk to someone
[06:21] <Kamion> thom: PCMCIA card, problems they go 'way
[06:21] <thom> Kamion: yerk ;-)
[06:21] <ggi> I was in a room of the maths department of my university for a refresher maths course for number-fearing computer scientists, and noticed that someone had written 'Ubuntu' on the blackboard, for no immediately apparent reason. Isn't that a nice story?
[06:21] <daniels> Kamion: haw!
[06:21] <Kamion> it's not ideal, but it's not exactly a huge imposition
[06:22] <Keybuk> Kamion: feel the lack of pcmcia slot pain
[06:22] <Kamion> Keybuk: only on 12" for tiny-laptop freaks
[06:22] <thom> ggi: cool :-)
[06:22] <Kamion> those of us who like bigger laptops are fine
[06:22] <Keybuk> Kamion: size queen
[06:22] <Kamion> Keybuk: absolutely
[06:22] <dablitz> is there a driver for the ati remote wonder 2
[06:22] <Keybuk> 12" is more than enough laptop for me
[06:23] <maswan> Mithrandir, mjg59, daniels, thom: thanks, I appriciate the info
[06:23] <poj> anyone here really good at programming?.I need help with something not compiling here yet in my other distro fedora ???
[06:23] <daniels> maswan: enjoy it :)
[06:24] <Keybuk> poj: what's the error?
[06:24] <poj> Keybuk, can I pm u?
[06:24] <Keybuk> sure
[06:24] <poj> thank you
[06:26] <dablitz> is there a driver for the ati remote wonder 2
[06:36] <zepo> hi every body, i have a graphical problem , sometimes the monitor freeze and become black, someone can help me?!?
[06:39] <punkass> is much as i am really diggin' ubuntu, the power management for laptops is some what lacking
[06:39] <Kamion> punkass: it depends on your laptop
[06:39] <punkass> d600
[06:39] <punkass> dell
[06:39] <punkass> things like: sometimes the screensaver comes on, sometimes not
[06:40] <elim> help, i have open office version 1.12 and i can't get the spell checking to work, any ideas?
[06:40] <punkass> when u close the lid, sometimes the lcd comes on when u open it, sometimes it doesnt
[06:41] <punkass> screen saver mode kicked it, and the lcd went off = good, hit a key/mouse button and the screen doesnt come back = bad
[06:42] <WW> I just upgraded my kernel to 2.6.8.1-3-686, and X fails when I boot.  Is there a corresponding linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-3-686 in the works?
[06:42] <LeeColleton> my Thinkpad X30 will suspend but it won't wake up.  This is with ACPI support disabled and the apm module loaded
[06:42] <elim> did u update the xserver too?
[06:43] <WW> elim: I did (effectively) dist-upgrade (Mark All Upgrades, and Smart Update in Synaptic).
[06:44] <WW> The same thing happened the last time I changed the kernel and forget to get the restricted modules.  This time, I don't see a new package for the restricted modules.
[06:45] <mxpxpod> does the ubuntu gnome-panel have one of those gnome menu stripes like ximian has?
[06:45] <punkass> doh now the laptops not powering down right
[06:46] <jono> hi all
[06:46] <jono> anyone know how to replace a windows boot sector with fdisk?
[06:46] <Agrajag> fdisk /mbr
[06:46] <tseng> windows fdisk?
[06:46] <tseng> yeah, what he said.
[06:47] <Agrajag> but if you're using NT you should prbably use fixboot and fixmbr from the recovery console
[06:50] <punkass> ah i see, it updated grub and overwrote menu.lst and took out my nolapic
[06:51] <Kamion> punkass: there's a place you can put options that doesn't get overwritten when update-grub is called
[06:51] <Kamion> it actually looks like a comment, the syntax is weird
[06:51] <punkass> oh, ok thanks...ill look in to it
[06:52] <loopback1> First time user of an IRC so I am not certain what to do or the house rules. Please bear with me. I've just installed Ubuntu and am excited about it. I'd like to start off adding Java and Flash. But I'm not sure how to go about it. Can anybody point me in the right direction? Thanks.
[06:52] <ggi> punkass: This line: # kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro
[06:53] <deFrysk> loopback1, download the jaba.bin from java.com
[06:53] <deFrysk> java.bin
[06:53] <deFrysk> or j2re.bin
[06:53] <deFrysk> whatever
[06:53] <deFrysk> klick the download now! button
[06:54] <deFrysk> and do not choose the .rpm.bin download
[06:54] <deFrysk> just the .bin download
[06:54] <ggi> loopback1: Look here: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian
[06:54] <LeeColleton> loopback1: you can get the macromedia flash modules from here: http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash
[06:55] <deFrysk> and what ggi said
[06:55] <deFrysk> and what LeeColleton said
[06:56] <rcaskey> hrmm, anyone here burned warty-ppc on OS X.3?
[06:56] <rcaskey> Disk Copy seems to crap out with it
[06:56] <rcaskey> burned other isos fine though
[06:58] <Treenaks> maybe your disk is b0rked?
[06:58] <LeeColleton> loopback1: you have to run the installer program from a terminal with sudo, like this: sudo ./flashplayer-installer
[06:58] <Treenaks> I've noticed CD-R quality has been dropping almost to floppy levels lately
[06:59] <LeeColleton> Applications > System Tools > Terminal
[06:59] <psi> loopback1: firefox can install flash automatically when you encounter a flash animation
[06:59] <Treenaks> LeeColleton: it also works if you just click the 'install plugin' button in firefox..
[07:00] <Treenaks> LeeColleton: at least, that worked for me
[07:00] <deFrysk> psi, does that work ?
[07:00] <Treenaks> deFrysk: yes
[07:00] <deFrysk> wow
[07:00] <deFrysk> wll java did not hehe
[07:00] <deFrysk> tried that one
[07:00] <Treenaks> don't even have to restart the fox
[07:00] <deFrysk> cool
[07:00] <LeeColleton> Treenaks: Firefox always says "you need to install flash" so I figured it was broken and installed it manually
[07:01] <loopback1> D**n! Quick reply. I'll check it out. I'll probably be back with more dumb questions. One other quick question. This is my first Debian distro. Can I download a debian package and the use apt-get to install it? I mean like: apt-get install (path-package).  Thanks.
[07:01] <Kosai> loopback1: You can use 'dpkg -i <filename>' for that.
[07:03] <Qo-noS> loopback1: 'apt-get update && apt-get install package' will fetch the package you want along with its dependencies and dpkg does the actual installation with debconf taking care the configuration
[07:04] <LeeColleton> zepo: just type the first few letters of someones nick and hit TAB 
[07:04] <loopback1> I've done a apt-cache search java along with many other combinations and nothing comes up. I figure I not keying it in correctly.
[07:05] <Elfir3> hi
[07:05] <LeeColleton> zepo: saying "my monitor goes black" isn't very descriptive.  Is it at random?  Does your computer shutdown or crash?  
[07:05] <zepo> i have a problem with my monitor...sometimes when i open some apps ...
[07:05] <Treenaks> zepo: which apps?
[07:05] <zepo> becomes black and for that all the system freeze
[07:06] <inklingx> about apt: how can one see the changelog of a new package?
[07:06] <zepo> like file .AVI
[07:06] <zepo> and for example
[07:06] <Elfir3> Treenaks: winxp :p
[07:06] <Treenaks> Elfir3: :P
[07:06] <zepo> ...when the screensaver start my monitor becomes black
[07:06] <Qo-noS> loopback1: besides the link that I gave you in pm there's another one here that might be of interest to you > http://jetblackz.cjb.net/ > scroll down to the one on Installing Java and making it work in Mozilla, Firefox, etc
[07:06] <Treenaks> zepo: what kind of video card do you have?
[07:06] <zepo> ... and a little bit after freeze the system
[07:07] <zepo> ok.. wait
[07:07] <zepo> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82830 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller]  (rev 04)
[07:07] <zepo> the computer is an Acer laptop
[07:07] <Treenaks> I'm not familiar with the Intel video chip..
[07:08] <Qo-noS> inklingx: apt-get install apt-listchanges
[07:08] <zepo> :(
[07:08] <merriam> loopback1: searching "java" on ubuntulinux.org tells you why.  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387/view?searchterm=java
[07:09] <tardmac> anyone here use ubuntu with amd64?
[07:09] <LeeColleton> zepo: I've noticed that my IBM laptop does that sometimes.
[07:09] <zepo> ahh really interesting
[07:09] <zepo> we must resolve this problem
[07:10] <loopback1> Get off subject a bit, with the Gnome 2.8 that comes with Ubuntu I don't have a 'windows shade' with it. Love that option. Am I missing something. Is it somewhere else or is it missing? Qo-noS. thats for the link. I'm visting them all. 
[07:10] <inklingx> Qo-noS: thx! 
[07:11] <deFrysk> loopback1, as soon as x.ors supports that stuff it wil be availabler in gnome afaIk
[07:11] <deFrysk> x.org*
[07:12] <merriam> deFrysk: he's talking about window shading -- nothing to do with fancy graphics
[07:13] <Agrajag> yeah, that hasn't been in metacity since gnome 2.4
[07:13] <Agrajag> deFrysk: what
[07:13] <Agrajag> it has nothing to do with ms
[07:13] <deFrysk> oh ?
[07:13] <loopback1> Yes, it comes with Gnome 2.4 and 2.6. I can fine it with 2.8. 
[07:13] <Agrajag> it's the act of drawing up the window so it's just the titlebar
[07:13] <LeeColleton> zepo: I'm going to try something.. I'll be back
[07:13] <merriam> loopback1: if you want more features, including shading, try sawfish
[07:14] <almostlucky> hmmm. Totem doesnt seem to have any video when I play an avi, but there is sound
[07:14] <loopback1> Window shade is an option that allows one to draw up a window. You end up a a 'bar' where the window is. 
[07:14] <Agrajag> almostlucky: totem-gstreamer or totem-xine?
[07:14] <deFrysk> loopback1, oh i see
[07:15] <Agrajag> totem-xine seems to work better but I still have that same problem sometimes
[07:15] <deFrysk> yes it does not work
[07:15] <Agrajag> I ended up installing xine
[07:15] <loopback1> Thanks to all. I'll be back.
[07:16] <Treenaks> I've found another bug :)
[07:16] <almostlucky> Agrajag, gstreamer
[07:17] <almostlucky> i will try xine
[07:17] <Treenaks> no, if I close the lid of my laptop the screen is blanked...
[07:17] <Treenaks> only problem is: it's not un-blanked when I re-open the lid..
[07:18] <merriam> almostlucky: restricted formats again.  you have to fetch restricted codecs.  ubuntu can't distribute them
[07:19] <almostlucky> merriam, ah, that makes sense
[07:20] <merriam> Treenaks: turn off the blanking option in the bios.  there are often problems like that with energy saving.  blanking via the screensaver probably still works
[07:21] <Treenaks> merriam: that doesn't seem to be it.. it's different..
[07:22] <merriam> what's different?
[07:23] <dablitz> i have an 8139too nic and the system just will not install it, check kernel several times. hangs up on dhcp discover. any ideas
[07:23] <Treenaks> merriam: I know the problem now.. my X server crashes if a window is mapped when the X vt is not active (i.e. it chvt'ed to vt12, as the blanker does)...
[07:23] <Treenaks> if you press a button, xscreensaver awakens while X is still trying to do stuff, which crashes the X server before it can re-activate the monitor
[07:24] <Treenaks> about 50% of the time
[07:24] <Treenaks> the rest of the time you'll see the outline of the "password" window from xscreensaver and then a crashing X server
[07:24] <LeeColleton> zepo: try commenting out the module "dri" in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 
[07:25] <LeeColleton> do this by opening a terminal and typing: sudo /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[07:26] <LeeColleton> zepo: discuss this in channel
[07:26] <zepo> ok... tnx a lot
[07:26] <zepo> yes
[07:26] <zepo> does it work??
[07:27] <LeeColleton> zepo: sorry, that's  sudo vi /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 <ENTER>
[07:27] <zepo> sudo or vi??
[07:28] <LeeColleton> then go down to the line "dri" type: i <ENTER> # <ESC> :wq <ENTER>
[07:28] <LeeColleton> zepo: sudo vi /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[07:28] <LeeColleton> the sudo command will run the next command as the superuser, who has permission to edit this important configuration file
[07:29] <zepo> ok..i try
[07:30] <LeeColleton> zepo: good luck
[07:30] <zepo> tnx :)
[07:30] <LeeColleton> oh, and you have to restart the X server after you edit this file by hitting <CTRL> + <ALT> + <BKSP>
[07:31] <LeeColleton> or just restart your computer
[07:31] <zepo> does it work for u?!?
[07:31] <LeeColleton> It worked the last time I had this problem.  But you have a different laptop than I
[07:32] <LeeColleton> Clearly there are still problems with the graphical window server on Ubuntu.  This is the beta version
[07:34] <LeeColleton> I have a CompactFlash card that I want to mount every time I start up.  It has my encryption keys and whatnot.  I've added a line in /etc/fstab to mount /dev/hde1 on /mnt/cf with default options, but it doesn't automatically mount on system startup.  The "normal" hard drive partitions mount just fine.
[07:35] <Kamion> LeeColleton: there are always problems with X :-/
[07:36] <LeeColleton> when I run 'mount -a' as root the drive mounts, but it doesn't mount on system startup.
[07:36] <Elfir3> how is it possible to install gcc as the only available version is the source version ?
[07:37] <LeeColleton> Kamion: I would really like to be able to suspend my laptop.  Which modules do I have to pull to make this happen?  Any suggestions?
[07:37] <merriam> Treenaks: nasty.  what X server?  proprietary?
[07:37] <LeeColleton> It suspended okay when I was running debian sarge, but ubuntu hasn't successfully resumed once.
[07:38] <tom_> hi all .... i search some ubuntu for newbies channel ...........
[07:39] <Agrajag> Elfir3: I installed gcc just fine. Did you enable the universe sources?
[07:39] <Treenaks> merriam: xfree86, siliconmotion driver
[07:39] <Elfir3> Agrajag: no... how can i do it ?
[07:40] <Agrajag> edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the universe lines
[07:40] <merriam> i see.  not nvidia for a change
[07:40] <tom_> i have some trouble with install of waste,qtorrent,plugins for xmms
[07:40] <Elfir3> thx
[07:41] <Elfir3> Agrajag: what should that do ?
[07:42] <Agrajag> That would enable the universe package repository, which is unsupported but has a lot of packages that aren't in ubuntu
[07:42] <Agrajag> just do an apt-get update after enabling it
[07:42] <Agrajag> and try installing gcc again
[07:42] <Elfir3> ok thanks
[07:43] <zepo> leocollecton:sorry at the DRI there's : Mode 0666 , i cancel this number and put # ?!?!
[07:44] <pmjdebruijn> lo all
[07:44] <Treenaks> hi
[07:45] <pmjdebruijn> i'm a bit confused on the ubuntu dev process... will 4.10 only get security fixes, or will major updates be included along the way...
[07:45] <Treenaks> pmjdebruijn: security fixes only I think.. 
[07:45] <pmjdebruijn> k
[07:46] <Treenaks> (a bit like Debian :))
[07:46] <pmjdebruijn> is there a package list anywhere...?
[07:46] <Treenaks> on the mirrors there's a files called 'Packages'
[07:46] <Treenaks> you could also use apt-cache search to look for a specific package, or use synaptic to search
[07:46] <vrln> is the ubuntu development branch (the one that is going to be opened after warty is released) going to have security support?
[07:46] <Elfir3> is there any compiler by default ? I dont have any .., and I must set it to cc to compile gcc :/
[07:46] <Treenaks> Elfir3: read the FAQ on the site
[07:47] <Treenaks> Elfir3: why would you want to compile gcc???
[07:47] <Elfir3> ok
[07:47] <Agrajag> I just did apt-get install gcc and it worked fine
[07:47] <pmjdebruijn> Elfir3, apt-get install gcc (make diff patch)
[07:47] <Elfir3> ah ok ! i didnt understant :)
[07:48] <Treenaks> Elfir3: if you need <something>, apt-get install <something> will most likely just work.. otherwise, apt-cache search <something> :)
[07:48] <pmjdebruijn> apt is bliss... :)
[07:48] <Elfir3> understood ! ;)
[07:48] <Kamion> LeeColleton: no idea, sorry
[07:48] <Kamion> LeeColleton: some laptops just don't have suspend support implemented
[07:48] <Kamion> (like mine)
[07:51] <pmjdebruijn> hmm i don't have ubuntu installed right now, i want to know if ubuntu includes dmraid...?
[07:51] <Treenaks> pmjdebruijn: dmraid? is that software-raid over devicemapper stuff?
[07:51] <Treenaks> pmjdebruijn: EVMS is included..
[07:51] <pmjdebruijn> Treenaks, yes
[07:52] <Treenaks> dmsetup - The Linux Kernel Device Mapper userspace library
[07:52] <Treenaks> that's supported..
[07:52] <pmjdebruijn> Treenaks, yeah i know...
[07:52] <pmjdebruijn> but dmraid, detect the BIOS FakeRAID settings automagically...
[07:52] <Treenaks> pmjdebruijn: I think dmsetup is what you want
[07:53] <pmjdebruijn> why?
[07:53] <makeio> if i changed the ubuntu's sources.list instead of Debian Sarge ,I lost the gnome 2.8, or I have a lot of problems???
[07:53] <Treenaks> pmjdebruijn: that's the device-mapper userspace stuff..
[07:54] <pmjdebruijn> yes... and I want to use my FakeRAID bios... dmsetup doesn't autodetect stuff..
[07:54] <pmjdebruijn> manual software I can do...
[07:55] <Treenaks> dmraid does not show up in my package list.. but are you sure that's not a kernel driver of some kind?
[07:55] <pmjdebruijn> nop...
[07:55] <pmjdebruijn> it's not like ataraid in 2.4
[07:56] <pmjdebruijn> makeio, huh, you're not very clear... anyway don't mix debian + ubuntu...
[07:57] <Treenaks> pmjdebruijn: don't know then, sorry..
[07:57] <makeio> jejejeje my english is very bad, sorry
[07:58] <Treenaks> merriam: don't worry, we understand you..
[07:59] <merriam> i *am* english
[07:59] <makeio> ;)
[07:59] <merriam> and Treenaks is presumably using xchat
[07:59] <merriam> ah, irssi
[08:01] <makeio> another question, Ubuntu have support for VMWare in your kernel or must recompile for using virtual machines with ubuntu??
[08:02] <pmjdebruijn> makeio, no VMWare emulates 'normal' hardware...
[08:03] <zepo> leecollecton:i make changes as u said, but there's always the problem
[08:04] <tezem> hi
[08:04] <tezem> Is ubuntu directly connected to the debian package db?
[08:04] <Treenaks> merriam: no I did m<tab>.. I meant makeio 
[08:04] <Kamion> tezem: not as far as users are concerned, but we do pull updated packages from Debian
[08:05] <LeeColleton> Kamion: will rebuilding the kernel manually help with the apm suspend problem?  Why does it work with Sarge but not Ubuntu?
[08:05] <merriam> i know
[08:05] <Kamion> LeeColleton: our kernels differ somewhat; please file a bug in our bugzilla
[08:05] <LeeColleton> zepo: well, I don't know then.  Install debian?
[08:05] <makeio> pmjdebruijn, i don't understand you. I can use vmware in ubuntu vmware or i must recompile kernel first of all. :$
[08:05] <LeeColleton> Kamion: thats buzilla.ubuntu.org ?
[08:05] <punkass_> iwconfig wlan0 essid <essid>                      iwconfig wlan0 key restricted <key>                       ifup wlan0
[08:06] <punkass_> that should give me a connection right?
[08:06] <pmjdebruijn> makeio, huh? please make good phrases... learn some english... watch a movie without subtitles... :p
[08:06] <Treenaks> pmjdebruijn: ifup might reset those parameters -- look in /etc/network/interfaces
[08:06] <pmjdebruijn> makeio, but... je can just install ubuntu in vmware, it should just work...
[08:06] <Treenaks> AGH
[08:06] <pmjdebruijn> Treenaks, huh?
[08:06] <pmjdebruijn> np
[08:07] <punkass_> hmm ok
[08:07] <Treenaks> punkass_: ifup might reset those parameters -- look in /etc/network/interfaces
[08:07] <tezem> Kamion: Is a source based package management as a feature to the normal deb packages planned or possible to come in future?
[08:07] <pmjdebruijn> tezem, knowing the debian crowd, which is like the ubuntu crowd... probably not...
[08:08] <defendguin> im having a problem all of a sudden a lot of my gnome apps refuse to work
[08:08] <defendguin> like the gnome-theme-manager
[08:08] <Treenaks> tezem: "source based package management" ?
[08:08] <Keybuk> tezem: our of interest, why do you want it?
[08:08] <pmjdebruijn> tezem, take a look at www.pkgsrc.org or http://www.openpkg.org/, they work in linux i think...
[08:08] <makeio> thanks for all and excuse-me for all (and thankyou for the english class too)
[08:08] <makeio> :d
[08:09] <punkass_> Treenaks: i just did a  iwconfig wlan0 essid <essid>        iwconfig wlan0 key restricted <key>         dhclient wlan0
[08:09] <Treenaks> punkass_: and?
[08:09] <punkass_> it does a couple of DHCPREQUESTS
[08:09] <Keybuk> if you want to install packages by building them, you can: apt-get source -b PKG
[08:10] <punkass_> then some DHCPDISCOVERS
[08:10] <Treenaks> punkass_: you can use "wireless-essid" and "wireless-key" in /etc/network/interfaces for that btw.. so you can use ifup
[08:10] <punkass_> and no IP addy
[08:10] <tezem> I use Gentoo for years now so I've seen the good and bad side of this system and the bad side IMO is the time consuming installation. Therefore I asked this question.
[08:10] <Keybuk> tezem: what do you see as the good side?
[08:10] <fluxy> Hello 
[08:10] <Qo-noS> I believe what tezem is asking is if it is possible in Ubuntu to e.g. 'apt-get -t experimental build-dep package' 'apt-get -t experimental --build source package'
[08:10] <Treenaks> punkass_: does your AP work? are you associated (iwconfig -> look at the output, is the channel right, etc.)
[08:10] <pmjdebruijn> Keybuk, customizability
[08:10] <zepo> leecollecton: maybe, installing debian could be the right thing to do!!!
[08:10] <punkass_> iwlist wlan0 scan shows me the AP
[08:11] <Treenaks> pmjdebruijn: in what way? everything is already included..
[08:11] <Keybuk> pmjdebruijn: it's certainly easy to do.  The archive contains all the source packages, and the client tools allow you to get and build the sources
[08:11] <pmjdebruijn> Treenaks, CFLAGS, ./configure options, patches onto those programs
[08:11] <Treenaks> punkass_: not scan.. just iwconfig... does it tell you it's associated with the AP
[08:11] <zepo> leecollecton:every thing is possible to set on debian?!
[08:11] <Treenaks> pmjdebruijn: submit a bug, submit a but, submit a bug..
[08:11] <punkass_> no AP: all 0s
[08:11] <pmjdebruijn> Treenaks, huh? what that got to do with it?
[08:11] <punkass_> ESSID: off/any
[08:12] <Treenaks> punkass_: Access Point: <hex number, also found in iwlist scan>
[08:12] <Keybuk> there's also apt-build in universe which makes it even easier
[08:12] <pmjdebruijn> i distribution not compiled with -march=athlon-xp isn't a bug
[08:12] <Kamion> LeeColleton: URL's in the topic
[08:12] <Treenaks> pmjdebruijn: because it only gives you 0.25% speed gain
[08:12] <punkass_> yeah in iwlist scan its the right MAC addy for the AP
[08:12] <pmjdebruijn> Treenaks, depends on the application...
[08:12] <Keybuk> pmjdebruijn: never compile on Athlon with -march=athlon; athlons run faster on code compiled for p4 (AMD made them that way)
[08:12] <Treenaks> punkass_: no, it should ALSO give that address in "iwconfig" output!
[08:12] <fluxy> Hey people, I am just discovered Ubuntu and would like to have some info. Can you help?
[08:13] <Treenaks> punkass_: after "Access point:" 
[08:13] <punkass_> but iwconfig AccessPoint: 00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00
[08:13] <Treenaks> punkass_: no no no no no
[08:13] <pmjdebruijn> Keybuk, you sure? sounds a bit weird...
[08:13] <punkass_> ?
[08:13] <punkass_> iwconfig wlan0
[08:13] <pmjdebruijn> how could AMD have optimized for GCC -march=p4 when gcc didn't even have that option
[08:13] <Keybuk> pmjdebruijn: yup, it's quite comical.  you forget that gcc really isn't that great an optimising compiler anyway
[08:13] <Treenaks> punkass_: just add "wireless_essid youressid" and "wireless_key yourwepkey
[08:14] <Treenaks> punkass_: to /etc/network/interfaces (without the "")
[08:14] <Treenaks> punkass_: then ifup eth0
[08:14] <Treenaks> punkass_: then it should work..
[08:14] <Keybuk> pmjdebruijn: they didn't optimise for gcc specifically, athlons just chew p4 code better because AMD made them do that to out-benchmark them
[08:14] <tezem> Keybuk: a tailored system and therefore faster. Also I think installation is more stable than installation in a binary package management but this is only my experience from my Linux Beginnings years ago.
[08:14] <pmjdebruijn> Keybuk, considering gcc run on just about every platforms it does a reasonably good job
[08:15] <Treenaks> tezem: try again with debian...
[08:15] <punkass_> Treenaks: no luck
[08:16] <Treenaks> punkass_: does it associate if you set the essid?
[08:16] <punkass_> just a bunch of DHCPDISCOVERS
[08:16] <punkass_> nope
[08:16] <punkass_> iwconifg  is shows  ESSID: off.any
[08:16] <Treenaks> punkass_: that's strange, you should fix that.. maybe you're not allowed to connect? (MAC address access list ?)
[08:16] <punkass_> *off/any
[08:17] <punkass_> no i setup the router...only restriction is WEP
[08:17] <punkass_> and i have connected to it before...few days ago...which is wierd
[08:17] <tezem> Treenaks: why you don't say ubuntu?
[08:18] <Treenaks> tezem: because ubuntu is debian-based, and I still use debian a lot, and for me (as a sysadmin) it's basically the same...
[08:18] <Treenaks> just different sources.list files..
[08:19] <hazmat> wow, quite a lot of people here.
[08:20] <tezem> Treenaks: Somebody said here, that ubuntu not really uses the debian package db. Has ubuntu a seperate tree and merges packages from the original debian tree or how should i imagine?
[08:21] <Treenaks> tezem: yes, that's true
[08:21] <Treenaks> tezem: but apt-get and dpkg remain the same..
[08:22] <Treenaks> tezem: and the packages are still very much alike
[08:22] <fluxy> !! Can anyone who has used/ who is using Ubuntu tell me of their experience, if possible in private !!
[08:22] <fluxy> Please?
[08:23] <hazmat> does the ubuntu ppc kernel do patching for orinco/apple drivers and wireless scanning ?
[08:23] <_brandx_> is anyone working on a firefox "human" themes?
[08:26] <punkass_> this enought to drive a guy crazy :)
[08:33] <axe9dotcom> WOOF!
[08:33] <madduck> quack
[08:33] <axe9dotcom> hehe
[08:33] <axe9dotcom> O_o
[08:33] <Dr_Willis> Mooo
[08:33] <madduck> quack
[08:33] <Dr_Willis> Qwack
[08:34] <defendguin> im having some bad gnome problems :(
[08:34] <axe9dotcom> I doubt I can help...
[08:34] <axe9dotcom> but ask away, soemone's prolly lurking
[08:34] <defendguin> some of the apps just wont show up at all
[08:34] <defendguin> and they arnt crashing
[08:35] <defendguin> they just never show up
[08:35] <Dr_Willis> show  up? you mean you run them from the shell and they spit out no errors? just dont run?
[08:35] <|trey|> defendguin: what Dr_Willis is hinting at is... tell us the error it spits out from a console  :)
[08:35] <defendguin> no output in the shell nothing on the screen
[08:36] <defendguin> just sits
[08:36] <Dr_Willis> interesting....
[08:36] <Dr_Willis> it hangs? or just returns with no errors?
[08:36] <|trey|> defendguin: wierdness... ps -e | grep <the_binary> , kill it, and try again
[08:36] <defendguin> ok
[08:37] <|trey|> defendguin: that usually fixes such things  :/
[08:37] <|trey|> defendguin: sometimes if something crashes, it won't remove itself from memory... :/
[08:37] <Dr_Willis> if it was windiows - you'd be asked to reboot.. :P
[08:37] <defendguin> lol
[08:38] <defendguin> it was happening last night and when i booted up this morning i had the same problem
[08:38] <|trey|> Dr_Willis: blah... right click task bar >> task manager >> processes >> kill it
[08:38] <|trey|> defendguin: you upgraded since? perhaps there is a fix for it?
[08:39] <|trey|> you even check bugzilla... if its through reboots... what I said won't help  :/
[08:39] <defendguin> ive been keeping as up2date as i can
[08:39] <|trey|> ps, who the fuck reboots over night... insane
[08:39] <defendguin> laptop
[08:39] <|trey|> up2date = redhat = DO NOT SAY IT
[08:39] <defendguin> |trey|, i use fedora on my desktop :-)
[08:40] <|trey|> defendguin: so? thats why they give you a plug  :/
[08:40] <|trey|> defendguin: you lose @ life
[08:40] <defendguin> lol
[08:40] <defendguin> nope its still not fixed
[08:41] <|trey|> defendguin: Core 3's LVM2 support is about the only nice thing about it... defaulting to use lvm2 is a good idea with gparted prolly about to get into GNOME...
[08:41] <defendguin> ubuntu seems to be much faster
[08:41] <|trey|> defendguin: blah... you just think it is...
[08:41] <defendguin> not exactly sure why
[08:42] <netvistun> I have a very slow dns lookup
[08:42] <|trey|> ps... if fedora is your desktop... ubuntu is your server? wtf @ that
[08:42] <defendguin> maybe gnome 2.8 is faster than 2.6
[08:42] <netvistun> It makes browsing painfull
[08:42] <|trey|> Ubuntu = a desktop  :/
[08:42] <defendguin> im using ubuntu on my laptop
[08:42] <|trey|> defendguin: no... firefox is faster then the standalone mozilla...
[08:42] <defendguin> yeah
[08:42] <|trey|> defendguin: oh
[08:42] <defendguin> i use firefox on both boxes
[08:43] <defendguin> nah its been the fedora apt repositories for a while
[08:43] <|trey|> Thats pretty lame imo
[08:44] <|trey|> defendguin: I said IN FEDORA, as in not via external sources...
[08:44] <defendguin> when FC2 was released it might have been as ready as it is now
[08:45] <|trey|> defendguin: I've been using it since it was called Firebird  :/
[08:45] <|trey|> Perfectly ok... :/
[08:45] <defendguin> since phoenix
[08:45] <tezem> hmm there is #ubuntu.de and #ubuntu-de this is something confusing
[08:45] <|trey|> Never used it once via Phoenix... didn't like Java, so I kicked it  :/
[08:46] <defendguin> perfectly ok != better than mozilla
[08:46] <|trey|> tezem: most confusing thing: neither are official  :/
[08:46] <defendguin> although i think it is now
[08:47] <|trey|> defendguin: I have never liked mozilla-browser... think is bloated to all hell
[08:47] <defendguin> yes it is
[08:47] <defendguin> ive been using epiphany
[08:48] <|trey|> used Konqueror before Firefox started paying attention to GTK themes
[08:48] <defendguin> eh
[08:48] <|trey|> Epiphany sucks... imo... Galeon
[08:48] <defendguin> i never ever like Konq as a browser
[08:48] <|trey|> KDE was my favorate de for most of my Linux life  :/
[08:49] <soumoh> hi
[08:49] <soumoh> hola
[08:50] <soumoh> anyone who uses Eclipse under ubuntu here? I can't make it work :-(
[08:50] <soumoh> HcE!
[08:50] <|trey|> Only since GNOME 2.6 have I really liked GNOME  :/
[08:50] <HcE> soumoh: :)
[08:50] <defendguin> really?
[08:50] <defendguin> ive been a fan since 2.0
[08:51] <defendguin> before that it was kde
[08:51] <tezem> |trey|: Somebody try to earn money for the channels ;-)
[08:52] <|trey|> tezem: doubt money... just a place hold is my guess...
[08:53] <soumoh> kde is childish
[08:53] <LeeColleton> when the ubuntu installer autopartitions the drive, does it use lvm?
[08:53] <soumoh> i can't stand KDEs UI
[08:53] <clee> soumoh: "childish"?
[08:53] <clee> ugly, ok, that's opinion. "childish" though?
[08:53] <|trey|> I've liked GTK since GTK 2.x... GNOME though? eh... KDE has always been more customizable... I liked that... then I started playing with gdesklets  :)
[08:54] <soumoh> clee - the look and feel looks like as if it were made for kids
[08:55] <soumoh> clee - childish is maybe a bad choice of word...i can understand that
[08:55] <|trey|> clee: umm... Keramik, yes... Plastik is perhaps the best theme for a Linux desktop I have seen though... for a while, had gtk2-engines-gtk-qt in use here  :/
[08:55] <clee> soumoh: well, as a guy who's been a KDE developer for the last four years, I can assure you that we don't make it "for kids"
[08:55] <clee> |trey|: dude, Keramik sucks balls.
[08:55] <soumoh> clee, Lycoris -- Linux is for everyone :-))) (including kids)
[08:56] <|trey|> clee: very much so... Plastik is what I used  :/
[08:56] <soumoh> HcE, PARTY on dude...i made eclipse work under ubuntu!!
[08:57] <defendguin> hmmm i cant seem to uninstall samba
[08:58] <HcE> soumoh: congrats :)
[08:58] <defendguin> invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: /etc/rc2.d/K09samba
[08:58] <defendguin> dpkg: error processing samba (--remove):
[08:58] <defendguin>  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 102
[08:58] <|trey|> defendguin: little more info... whats the prob
[08:58] <defendguin> whats this mean?
[08:59] <rcaskey> Keramik is less than awe inspiring
[08:59] <|trey|> defendguin: fix the symlink, then tell me again what it says
[08:59] <defendguin> fix it?
[08:59] <Kamion> LeeColleton: no
[08:59] <rcaskey> I kinda dislike how things changed during point releases in terms of theme
[08:59] <|trey|> rcaskey: we already came to the conclusion that keramik sucks, shush
[08:59] <defendguin> i have no idea where it is supposed to be pointing
[09:00] <|trey|> defendguin: yes... link it to /etc/init.d/samba
[09:00] <defendguin> ah ok
[09:02] <defendguin> much better
[09:03] <|trey|> defendguin: its working now?
[09:03] <|trey|> defendguin: it helps to read errors ;)
[09:03] <rcaskey>   /join #macosx
[09:03] <rcaskey> doh
[09:05] <defendguin> i read the error but not being used to apt errors i dont know what a dangeling simlink is
[09:05] <defendguin> brb
[09:05] <|trey|> defendguin: its not an apt error  :/
[09:05] <|trey|> its a dpkg error  :/
[09:05] <defendguin> well i dont know them either
[09:06] <|trey|> :)
[09:06] <Agrajag> defendguin: do you know what a symlink is to begin with?
[09:06] <|trey|> dpkg deals with packages... apt deals with getting them  :)
[09:06] <|trey|> grrr
[09:07] <|trey|> Agrajag: he said he didn't... guess he does now though  :)
[09:07] <WW> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-3-686  <---  Is this out yet?
[09:10] <mdz> WW: it's on the way
[09:10] <WW> mdz: OK, thanks.
[09:11] <Elfir3> hi
[09:11] <LeeColleton> sometimes when I use <CTRL> + <ALT> + <ARROW> to switch windows the popup windowswitcher remains until I click somewhere with the mouse or hit a key.  This is kind of annoying.  Is there a way to stop it?
[09:12] <defendguin> hmmmm
[09:12] <mdz> LeeColleton: never seen that happen; sounds like it could be a bug
[09:12] <defendguin> i think dhclient has a problem
[09:12] <Agrajag> hey who was asking about window shading in here?
[09:12] <Agrajag> Because I found that you can enable it pretty easily
[09:12] <LeeColleton> mdz: it doesn't happen consistently, either
[09:12] <defendguin> when i boot up it tried to establish a link with my wireless router 
[09:12] <Agrajag> set a keyboard shortcut for it in the keyboard shortcuts applet
[09:12] <LeeColleton> that's part of what makes it so maddening
[09:12] <defendguin> but it fails everytime
[09:13] <mdz> defendguin: perhaps you need to set the network name/ESSID?
[09:13] <defendguin> i have to do this by hand   iwconfig wlan0 channel 6 essid linksys mode Managed
[09:13] <defendguin> dhclient
[09:13] <defendguin> mdz yes i think that would help
[09:13] <mdz> defendguin: computer->system configuration->networking->properties
[09:14] <mdz> sounds like you need to set it to 'linksys'
[09:14] <defendguin> yeah i looked at that i never saw where it says essid on there
[09:14] <mdz> that's bug #1295 :-)
[09:14] <defendguin> lol
[09:15] <defendguin> i put the "network name" as "Home" because i thought i was just naming the profile
[09:15] <sri> sup
[09:16] <soumoh> how can I make shortcuts on my desktop in Gnome 2.8?
[09:16] <defendguin> but if "network name" == essid maybe they should put essid in ()
[09:16] <Agrajag> right-click > create launcher
[09:16] <ema> which packages which will be installed by a default installation?
[09:17] <|trey|> soumoh: regular shortcuts just show up.. they just turned off home, and trash in ubuntu...
[09:17] <|trey|> ema: no one will name them all... try it and see  :/
[09:17] <defendguin> mdz, I also wish the network config app would let me set the channel
[09:17] <mdz> defendguin: you should never need to set that except on an AP
[09:18] <ema> |trey|: aren't they choosen by a meta-package or similar?
[09:18] <defendguin> i read it on a page and it has been working so i never questioned it
[09:18] <|trey|> ema: umm... they are set in the installer  :/
[09:19] <Elfir3> can so tell me how to know my kernel version ? (ubuntu 4.10), and how to get the source (I've already tried the last with apt get, the last from kernel.org, and the NVidia installer still thinks they arent right...)
[09:19] <|trey|> ema: they kinda simplified the installer... it asks you very basic questions, then just installs the OS...
[09:19] <thom> Elfir3: are you on x86? just apt-get install nvidia-glx
[09:19] <vrln> uname -r to see the kernel version, and to get the source apt-get install linux-source-yourkernelversion
[09:20] <ema> |trey|: yep, I've noticed it
[09:20] <vrln> you can search the apt-get file database with apt-cache search whatdoyouwantdofind
[09:20] <defendguin> gonna reboot to see if this worked brb
[09:20] <vrln> to*
[09:20] <ema> |trey|: the problem is that I've tried two installations this afternoon
[09:20] <Elfir3> thom: for the opengl version ? I also want to use 5.1 => nforce
[09:20] <ema> |trey|: the first one went fine
[09:20] <soumoh> |trey|, ok thanks
[09:20] <ema> |trey|: during the second one there were some problems and some packages failed to install
[09:21] <|trey|> ema: why'd you reinstall?
[09:21] <ema> |trey|: so I would like to complete the packages suite...
[09:21] <ema> |trey|: another machine :)
[09:21] <ema> |trey|: ah, sorry, I didn't get the question
[09:21] <|trey|> Ohhh... hmm... you can maybe try apt-get install ubuntu-base... not sure what that depends though  :/
[09:22] <ema> |trey|: ubuntu-base? ok, I'll try
[09:22] <Elfir3> thom: still not working ...
[09:22] <tom_> whats is with my compiler ?    onfigure:2231: checking whether the C compiler works
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2237: ./a.out
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2240: $? = 0
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2257: result: yes
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2264: checking whether we are cross compiling
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2266: result: no
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2269: checking for suffix of executables
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2271: gcc -o conftest    conftest.c  >&5
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2274: $? = 0
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2299: result: 
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2305: checking for suffix of object files
[09:22] <|trey|> ema: wait, you have two boxen?   umm... dpkg -l | less on the one that finished good
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2326: gcc -c   conftest.c >&5
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2329: $? = 0
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2351: result: o
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2355: checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2379: gcc -c   conftest.c >&5
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2385: $? = 0
[09:22] <|trey|> SOMEONE BOOT tom_ please
[09:22] <tom_> configure:2388: test -z 			 || test ! -s conftest.err
[09:22] <thom> tom_: install build-essential, bet you've not got libc6-dev
[09:22] <Agrajag> oh we needed to see all this
[09:22] <ema> |trey|: yep, it's obiouvs :) thx
[09:22] <|trey|> thom: dude... take him to #flood or someshit, thats annoying
[09:23] <thom> |trey|: agreed, i didn't ask him to flood :-)
[09:24] <|trey|> thom: bah, I still blame you  8-)
[09:24] <thom> ;p
[09:24] <tom_> thx .... i red floods topic ;=)
[09:25] <|trey|> Opps
[09:25] <|trey|> oops
[09:25] <tom_> ok .... my waste works now, but some buttons doesnt work  ... add key, import key,etc
[09:25] <|trey|> thom: make me not be able to do that again  :)
[09:25] <tom_> its all gtk2+ kind
[09:25] <thom> knuckles, even
[09:25] <|trey|> thom: I meant /topic #flood I think  :(
[09:28] <jono> hi all
[09:28] <|trey|> jono: can we help you with anything?  :)
[09:28] <jono> just popped on to say hi :)
[09:28] <LinuxJones> hi everyone !!
[09:28] <jono> hi LinuxJones
[09:29] <LinuxJones> hi jono. love LugRadio when is the next episode coming out ??
[09:30] <jono> LinuxJones, cheers :) we are going to resume recording in a few weeks :)
[09:30] <LinuxJones> Great
[09:30] <|trey|> jono: wtf is lugradio?  :o
[09:31] <jono> |trey|, its a Linux radio show where basically chat about Linux in a very british way
[09:31] <jono> lots of swearing and sarcasm
[09:31] <Keybuk> heh, I remember the comparitive "Join us now and free the software" songs :)
[09:31] <|trey|> jono: define "in a very british way"  :(
[09:32] <jono> |trey|, have a listen :) www.lugradio.org - its sarcastic, witty, on the spot and a bit controvertial at times
[09:32] <jono> Keybuk, yeah - I did the metal version :)
[09:33] <jono> heh
[09:34] <Keybuk> I have no excuse for sblug now, though I could probably claim I couldn't find the building again :p
[09:34] <jono> Keybuk, sblug?
[09:34] <jono> south birmingham lug?
[09:34] <Keybuk> *nods*
[09:34] <jono> Keybuk, do I know you?
[09:35] <Keybuk> no, because I've never actually turned up ... other than the Jeff & Scott roadshow
[09:35] <jono> Keybuk, shit, I meant to go to that, but I was catching a plane at 4am from Liverpool to EuroFoo and decided I should pack - I mailed jeff about it - I was looking forward to meeting you guys
[09:35] <defendguin> hmmm i dont know what i have to do to make my wireless card work on boot up i keep having to run iwconfig and dhclient on boot
[09:36] <jono> defendguin, you configured /etc/networking/interfaces?
[09:36] <defendguin> i set the "Network name"
[09:36] <Keybuk> defendguin: check /etc/network/interfaces ... you should probably have something like "auto eth1" and "iface eth1 inet dhcp" in there
[09:36] <Agrajag> /etc/network/ not /etc/networking/
[09:36] <tom_> ok .. i'm not linux guru ... but error again     libmp4.c:506: error: parse error before '}' token
[09:36] <tom_> make[2] : *** [libmp4.lo]  Error 1
[09:36] <Keybuk> replace eth1 with whatever curious name your wireless card goes by, if you need to
[09:37] <defendguin> right
[09:37] <defendguin> id like to get the gui tool working if possible because i will probably have a few networks
[09:38] <Keybuk> we've not got a gui tool for that?  I think we're looking at heading towards something NetworkManager-y for hoary
[09:38] <theantix> Keybuk, I compiled novell's netapplet for Ubuntu -- works great
[09:38] <jono> how can I reload the GNOME panel?
[09:39] <defendguin> they have a network config in Computer --> System Configuration --> Netowrking
[09:39] <jono> brb#
[09:40] <Keybuk> defendguin: heh, so we do ... I thought we disabled that :p
[09:40] <defendguin> heh
[09:40] <defendguin> it pretty much sucks
[09:40] <defendguin> at least for wirless
[09:40] <defendguin> wireless
[09:40] <Keybuk> yeah
[09:42] <defendguin> this network gui writes to /etc/network/interfaces file?
[09:43] <tom_> hmmmmm 100000 errors    libmp4.c:71: error: parse error before "gshort"
[09:43] <|trey|> presumably... else it would be kinda useless  :/
[09:43] <tom_> its very hard , this ubuntu
[09:43] <defendguin> well i just saved that Profile and i dont see any profile name written in the interfaces files
[09:43] <|trey|> tom_: haha... don't ever try Debian or Slack then  ;)
[09:44] <|trey|> (I know, this basically is Debian, but its certainly vastly "simplified"  :/)
[09:44] <tom_> slack rulez
[09:45] <|trey|> defendguin: but its working?
[09:45] <|trey|> tom_: ok, you lose if you think Slack is easier then Ubuntu  ;/
[09:45] <defendguin> well i would need to reboot agian to see if it works properly
[09:45] <tom_> i hant such trouble like with ubuntu,yoper,and other
[09:45] <|trey|> yoper was a terrible fad.... thank god they have pretty much disappeared  :/
[09:46] <tom_> yoper suxx total
[09:48] <|trey|> Maybe I'm just too used to d-i and debian?
[09:48] <tom_> sure.... ubuntu is really nice,stable,.... but for audio/video .... suxx ... 
[09:49] <soumoh> Tom - no...rocks for audio/video
[09:49] <soumoh> even rocks for wifi
[09:49] <|trey|> tom_: umm... both work here  :/
[09:49] <tom_> flac,ofs,ofr,aac,mp4 .... no luck. 
[09:49] <tom_> torrent,waste .... suxx
[09:50] <tom_> mp3 sure (only)
[09:50] <|trey|> what more do you need?
[09:50] <tom_> mp3 is nothing for me ... i'm audiophile
[09:50] <|trey|> tom_: I dunno man, maybe you're too 1337 for ubuntu  :/
[09:50] <tom_> lossless or other lossy codecs than mp3 (old suck)
[09:51] <housetier> tom_, maybe ubuntu wasnt meant for you :)
[09:51] <tom_> 1337 ... waste LEET port ;=)
[09:51] <tom_> doesnt work for me
[09:51] <tom_> onto slack ... no trouble
[09:52] <housetier> well use slack then
[09:52] <housetier> be smart - don't bitch
[09:52] <tom_> i'm waiting for dropline ... for gnome 2.8 
[09:52] <tom_> really rulez
[09:53] <|trey|> tom_: ever played with xorph.org's FLAC codec?
[09:53] <tom_> no trouble on nforce 400 chip on slack
[09:53] <|trey|> tom_: no offence dude, you seem like a moron... have fun with slack  :/
[09:54] <hazmat> anyone here using ubuntu on a powerbook/ppc ?
[09:54] <tom_> mpc,ape,aac,rmvb,vp6..... all works
[09:54] <|trey|> tom_: cool... like I said... have fun... #slackware
[09:55] <tom_> maybe next ubuntu..... 
[09:55] <|trey|> tom_: maybe just stick with Slack!
[09:56] <|trey|> tom_: people like you aren't needed... or wanted... you appear to like Slack, go bother them
[09:57] <hazmat> are the daily cd's useable/semi-stable or is better to go with a release for a first install?
[09:57] <tom_> i must say... ubuntu doesnt errors in install like slack.... but...if u make clean of errors ....all works 110 % with dropline
[09:58] <|trey|> hazmat: do a net install, it will use the most current packages anyway...
[09:58] <hazmat> okay, will do
[09:59] <punkass_> how do i find the mac addy of my wireless card?
[09:59] <hazmat> incidentally it would be nice if the public lists where advertised on lists.ubuntulinux.org 
[09:59] <hazmat> just a mailman list flag
[09:59] <LinuxJones> punkass_, ifconfig -a 
[09:59] <mdz> hazmat: best to go with a daily
[09:59] <hazmat> oh.. nevermind, i see the problem now
[09:59] <punkass_> doh..oh yeah
[09:59] <ulmen> |trey|: is there a small netinstall iso image everywhere? didn't find one when i installed ubuntu, so i had to wait long ages for the full image ;)
[09:59] <|trey|> hazmat: I have no say in that  :( 
[09:59] <LinuxJones> punkass_, :D
[10:00] <mdz> they're quite stable, and if you use an older snapshot you'll just need to download more
[10:00] <mdz> ulmen: yes, there is
[10:00] <mdz> ulmen: but unless you're doing a custom install, it makes sense to download the full image, since it will install the full desktop set anyway
[10:02] <|trey|> mdz: the regular installer for ubuntu will allow you to do a netinstall... this is what I meant  :)
[10:02] <ulmen> yes right, never thought of that
[10:03] <mdz> right, by default it will install from the CD where it is current, and get newer packages from the network
[10:03] <defendguin> does the trash applet not empty trash for anyone else?
[10:04] <LinuxJones> Jeff are you here ??
[10:04] <|trey|> defendguin: Trash is a hidden folder within ~/Desktop, so no  :)
[10:05] <defendguin> then why have the applet in the panel by default if it doesnt work?
[10:06] <defendguin> maybe its just that my gnome is sucking right now i cant even get a nautilus window to pop up
[10:06] <|trey|> defendguin: it does... it removes files from ~/Desktop/.Trash
[10:06] <|trey|> or ~/Desktop/.trash ... one or the other  :/
[10:07] <defendguin> not for me it doesnt
[10:07] <|trey|> defendguin: hmm... wierd
[10:07] <|trey|> Well, in theory, thats what it does  :)
[10:08] <defendguin> hmmm maybe it just doesnt update its icon when it does so that i think it doesnt do its job
[10:08] <|trey|> It won't remove stuff for other users though, only in YOUR home dir...
[10:08] <LinuxJones> defendguin, Try creating a new user and enter the account, a purge of gnome and re-install may be in order if it is still messed up. 
[10:08] <defendguin> yeah im gonna have to get a new user account this one seems hosed
[10:09] <defendguin> LinuxJones, great idea
[10:09] <LinuxJones> defendguin, it's worth a try
[10:10] <|trey|> hmm... what I said about the location is wrong... I guess thats KDE  :o
[10:10] <defendguin> doesnt matter
[10:10] <|trey|> So now, a new question... where is GNOME's trash file?
[10:10] <|trey|> s/file/dir/
[10:11] <theantix> trey, ~/.Trash/
[10:12] <|trey|> theantix: yeah, just saw it... thanks  :)
[10:12] <defendguin> will the new user i create be in the sudo file?
[10:12] <|trey|> defendguin: no...
[10:12] <defendguin> oh i ll just add him to the sudo group maybe that will do it
[10:13] <|trey|> defendguin: first, just remove everything pertaining to gnome... its basically like creating a new user anyways... just log out and back in and the files will be recreated...
[10:13] <elim> how do i setup spelcheck on openen office?
[10:13] <|trey|> defendguin: pertaining to gnome... in your home dir
[10:13] <elim> how do i setup spelcheck on openen office?
[10:13] <defendguin> ok like .gconf and .gnome stuff 
[10:13] <|trey|> defendguin: yup
[10:14] <haggai> elim: install a myspell dictionary
[10:14] <elim> i have
[10:15] <haggai> elim: in that case make sure that you have a link /usr/lib/openoffice/share/dict/ooo -> /usr/share/myspell/dicts
[10:16] <defendguin> ubuntu has disabled browser mode?
[10:16] <elim> i tell a lie i have not but there is not one available for english on my arch (ppc) theres everything else though like bolgaian and sweedish etc..
[10:16] <Agrajag> defendguin: browser mode in nautilus?
[10:16] <theantix> browser mode in nautilus works fine for me
[10:16] <Agrajag> yeah
[10:16] <defendguin> when i tried to switch the option was greyed out
[10:17] <Agrajag> odd
[10:17] <defendguin> hmmm
[10:17] <defendguin> i dont want to have to reinstall :((((((
[10:17] <elim> i have got the open office localiseation to english but thats all thats available that includes 'universe'
[10:18] <defendguin> brb
[10:19] <defendguin> heh
[10:19] <defendguin> trying to logout didnt work properly
[10:19] <theantix> one usability quirk for the trashapplet... if you miss you end up with a very messy and cluttered taskbar
[10:19] <UziMonkey> heh
[10:19] <UziMonkey> don't miss ;)
[10:20] <elim> it works fine on abiword though ***confused***
[10:20] <theantix> UziMonkey, indeed
[10:20] <|trey|> grr... when defendguin gets back someone tell him gconf: apps>nautilus>preferences first option "always_use_browser"
[10:21] <phin|work> hello
[10:21] <|trey|> hey
[10:22] <|trey|> elim: abiword and oo.o are about as different as can be  :/
[10:22] <|trey|> thats like saying "but it works in emacs" or "but it works in MSWord" or something  :/
[10:24] <phin|work> i need to learn vim
[10:24] <phin|work> looks like its pretty good for coding
[10:24] <|trey|> phin|work: yes... handy tool
[10:24] <|trey|> phin|work: it's what it was designed for  :)
[10:25] <phin|work> ya i think i will havta get me a nice book or something on it
[10:25] <phin|work> i cant figure it out myself
[10:25] <phin|work> lol
[10:25] <|trey|> phin|work: sure you can  ;)
[10:25] <|trey|> phin|work: man vim (or nvi) is a good place to start  ;)
[10:26] <phin|work> ya i was looking
[10:26] <|trey|> phin|work: + all the online tutorials  :)
[10:26] <phin|work> i just need to take the time i guess
[10:26] <housetier> phin|work, you could start in #vim, then run "vimtutor" and pay vim.org and vi-improved.com a visit
[10:26] <defendguin> when i tried to log back in from gdm it just hung after it accepted my password
[10:26] <housetier> phin|work, the rest comes with practice and a little patience
[10:26] <phin|work> thanks for the tips
[10:26] <phin|work> :)
[10:26] <|trey|> defendguin: gconf: apps>nautilus>preferences first option "always_use_browser"
[10:27] <LinuxJones> defendguin, did you create a new user or delete gnome related files ??
[10:27] <defendguin> i dont need browser
[10:27] <|trey|> defendguin: thought you said you wanted it? :/
[10:27] <defendguin> i was just wondering why the option was greyed out
[10:27] <defendguin> LinuxJones, deleted gnome files
[10:27] <|trey|> Ohh... I don't even know where the option is in the tool itself :/
[10:28] <LinuxJones> defendguin, try creating new user it will take 10 seconds to find out :D
[10:28] <defendguin> i created a new user already
[10:28] <LinuxJones> defendguin, it didn't work either ?
[10:29] <|trey|> LinuxJones: I'm guessing it did based on the fact he is back  ;)
[10:29] <defendguin> i havent tried logging into that user
[10:29] <defendguin> i tried deleting gnome files from ~/
[10:29] <LinuxJones> |trey|, do0es he still have the same problems tho ?
[10:29] <|trey|> k, imma shut up now  :/
[10:29] <defendguin> lol
[10:29] <makeio> hi, what is Gecko
[10:29] <defendguin> i figured out why the trash can was having a problem
[10:29] <|trey|> makeio: Mozilla's HTML renderer
[10:30] <defendguin> /home/supe...apper.mod" cannot be deleted because you do not have permissions to modify its parent folder.
[10:31] <|trey|> cool... fixed  now?
[10:31] <defendguin> well thats fixed
[10:31] <phin|work> anyone know which package has libtiff?
[10:31] <|trey|> seems illogical, but if its fixed, its ok  :)
[10:31] <defendguin> now to see if gnome-theme-manager works
[10:31] <makeio> i can't download anything because when i cklik in the link computer doesn't works and only gecko are in my screen
[10:31] <phin|work> n/m
[10:32] <|trey|> phin|work: no idea... it always comes along with either gimp or ImageMagick here  :/
[10:32] <|trey|> look at those packages deps  :/
[10:32] <makeio> how i can to desable gecko??
[10:32] <defendguin> woo freaking hoo it works
[10:32] <LinuxJones> phin|work:  libtiff4 ??
[10:32] <|trey|> makeio: umm... gecko is NEVER "in your screen"... its invisible to the user  :/
[10:32] <|trey|> makeio: perhaps you mean mozilla?
[10:33] <defendguin> now im happy :-D and when i rebooted this past time it found my homenetwork on the first try without me having to do anything 
[10:33] <axe9dotcom> WTF!
[10:33] <|trey|> defendguin: yay  :)
[10:33] <|trey|> axe9dotcom: whats wrong?
[10:34] <axe9dotcom> Why doesn't musicplayer save play lists
[10:34] <makeio> i use mozilla firefox but when i click in a link popup a gecko litle windows istead of download the link 
[10:34] <|trey|> deFrysk: welcome back  :)
[10:34] <axe9dotcom> why does it keep crshing
[10:34] <axe9dotcom> etc
[10:34] <makeio> excuse-me my bad english
[10:34] <|trey|> axe9dotcom: umm, rhythmbox? it does, on exit... if it didn't exit via a crash  ;)
[10:34] <axe9dotcom> yeah
[10:34] <axe9dotcom> %^$#
[10:34] <axe9dotcom> but like every 5 mins it crashs
[10:34] <axe9dotcom> pissign me off >.>
[10:35] <|trey|> axe9dotcom: bah... try Fedora's w/ mp3 support  :/
[10:35] <defendguin> yummy
[10:35] <|trey|> axe9dotcom: mines been running for about 28 hours, constantly playing... likely to crash soon, but hasn't yet :)
[10:35] <axe9dotcom> Eh?
[10:36] <|trey|> axe9dotcom: word of advise... when creating play lists... EXIT WHEN YOU HAVE IT RIGHT... then open it back up and commence listening  :)
[10:37] <|trey|> I think I mean advice?
[10:37] <Agrajag> yes, you do
[10:37] <|trey|> I thought so  :)
[10:37] <axe9dotcom> yeah
[10:37] <axe9dotcom> NOW I know that...
[10:38] <|trey|> axe9dotcom: about a year of Rhythmbox experiance (mainly shoutcast playlists though) talking  :)
[10:38] <axe9dotcom> I was making a really long one so I could write my paper w/o stopping to put on new music.. I had like 210 songs T_T
[10:38] <|trey|> axe9dotcom: hahha... I mean... I'm sorry  :)
[10:39] <axe9dotcom> t(<_<t)
[10:39] <axe9dotcom> :P
[10:39] <axe9dotcom> oh..
[10:39] <defendguin> why did ubuntu go with OOo instead of abiword/gnumeric??
[10:39] <axe9dotcom> that doesnm't show up great with this font...
[10:39] <axe9dotcom> alright
[10:39] <axe9dotcom> back to wriging ^^
[10:39] <axe9dotcom> writing*
[10:40] <|trey|> defendguin: because OOo is kinda a standard... and no major companies are supporting Gnome Office  :/
[10:40] <defendguin> i noticed but OOo really blows on this laptop
[10:41] <|trey|> defendguin: yeah... I've kinda been praying for them to split it up since the first time I used it... never happens though... I check for it with every release :/
[10:41] <defendguin> major companies are supporting it for its use on linux no one much cares about its windows users
[10:42] <axe9dotcom> God I hate reading James Agee >>
[10:42] <|trey|> defendguin: no... no major company supports abiword/gnumeric... trust me
[10:42] <defendguin> |trey|, i agree
[10:42] <defendguin> i was talking about OOo
[10:43] <|trey|> defendguin: ok... then I don't get the point of your comment?
[10:43] <|trey|> No company but Microsoft supports that platform... its kinda why people are leaning towards GNU/Linux these days  ;)
[10:44] <defendguin> im saying OOo should stop worrying about being cross platform and concentrate on the major weakness in linux. speed!! 
[10:44] <|trey|> defendguin: blame sun... staroffice is one huge mass of code too  :/
[10:44] <defendguin> and stop eating up all my available ram
[10:45] <ghent> hi, what is the main language used here ?
[10:45] <LinuxJones> defendguin, how much ram do you have on your laptop ?
[10:45] <ghent> nevermind :)
[10:45] <|trey|> defendguin: being cross platform has nothing to do with it though... its java  :/
[10:45] <defendguin> 128+64
[10:45] <|trey|> ghent: the one you're using  :)
[10:45] <Kosai> ghent: There are separate IRC channels for Spanish and German(?).
[10:45] <defendguin> |trey|, move from java to something faster
[10:46] <|trey|> defendguin: not quite that easy dude  :/
[10:46] <ghent> i have little problem with my ubuntu, ipw2200 (my driver for my wifi card) went crazy taking all my cpu, is there a more violent wait to kill it than "kill -9"
[10:46] <defendguin> |trey|, i dont think major corporations care about it being fast at all because their computers are fast enough
[10:46] <LinuxJones> defendguin, is it slow in general or just startup. You should have lots of ram to run OO decently unless your cpu is like really old.
[10:46] <Agrajag> It's not as if it's all java anyway
[10:46] <Agrajag> I don't even have java installed
[10:47] <defendguin> LinuxJones, 350 mhz
[10:47] <Agrajag> ugh
[10:47] <|trey|> We wouldn't see a single release for about 5 years if they decided to actually attempt to port OOo from java to C and GTK  :/
[10:47] <LinuxJones> defendguin, ouch!!
[10:47] <defendguin> lol
[10:47] <|trey|> Agrajag: because you have OOo already compiled  :/
[10:47] <Agrajag> I don't think any amount of tuning is going to make any program as large as OOo run decently on that
[10:47] <theantix> if you have the ram but are annoyed with the startup times, OpenOffice runs a lot better if you run the quickstarter (ooqstart-gnome in universe)
[10:47] <defendguin> LJ you would be surprised how qick gnome is on it
[10:47] <Agrajag> treyh0: I built it in gentoo, I remember seeing lots of gcc output, not java
[10:47] <|trey|> Agrajag: there is a java binding for gnome... OOo uses it afaik
[10:48] <tom_> ok ....i'm not linux guru, but i can play ofr,ofs (lossless) in my xmms
[10:48] <defendguin> Agrajag, abiword work just fine
[10:48] <ghent> i answer to myself, unloading the module works fine :)
[10:48] <Agrajag> |trey|: yes, but it's not necessary
[10:48] <Agrajag> defendguin: yes, then use that
[10:48] <defendguin> problem is i need power point compat
[10:48] <Agrajag> I'm saying that making OOo run denctly on your system is not a matter of Sun cleaning its code up
[10:48] <LinuxJones> defendguin, you should increase the ram that's allocated to OO graphics cache. By default it is horrible low 
[10:48] <defendguin> and that isnt quite there yet
[10:48] <|trey|> Agrajag: umm... OOo = java... trust me on this  ;)
[10:49] <Agrajag> whatever
[10:49] <defendguin> LJ how?
[10:49] <tom_> because .... i did removed xmms via synaptic and installed new from source ;=)
[10:49] <|trey|> Agrajag: I already said how to fix it... need to break the parts up... OO.o is one huge mass of code... thats why it takes up so much ram  :/
[10:49] <LinuxJones> defendguin, Options >> Open Office >> Memory it's set tp 9mb by default set it to like 30 megs.
[10:49] <defendguin> ahhh
[10:49] <housetier> so because java used to be slow, and OOo is slow, Ooo must be written in java
[10:49] <ghent> is there a little howto on porting a debian package to ubuntu ?
[10:50] <defendguin> that will improve startup time?
[10:50] <Agrajag> |trey|: and that would make it run decently on a 350 mhz with 192 megs?
[10:50] <zenwhen> I am written in java.
[10:50] <Agrajag> sup zenwhen
[10:50] <Agrajag> more like zenmen
[10:50] <zenwhen> nmu
[10:50] <|trey|> housetier: no... OOo just IS wrtten in java  :/
[10:50] <housetier> I don't trust anyone who says java is slow
[10:50] <|trey|> Agrajag: better then it does now...
[10:50] <LinuxJones> defendguin, you can also try installing ooqstart-gnome to help it's start time dramatically
[10:50] <clee> java GUIs are atrociously slow.
[10:50] <Agrajag> trey: then why, when I built it in gentoo, did I see all that g++ output?
[10:50] <clee> java itself is not.
[10:50] <|trey|> housetier: I didn't say java was slow... I said OOo is a mass of code, and that it is written in java...
[10:50] <zenwhen> trey: its c++
[10:50] <defendguin> hmmm thanks
[10:51] <Agrajag> crap, class time
[10:51] <LinuxJones> defendguin, sure thing
[10:51] <|trey|> zenwhen: ummm... since when?
[10:51] <zenwhen> since forever. Where did you get this zany idea that it was written in java?
[10:52] <clee> it does use some java stuff, yes.
[10:52] <clee> it is not written in java though.
[10:52] <clee> OOo is mostly C++
[10:52] <clee> which is one of the reasons why it's very difficult to make it integrate properly with GNOME/GTK
[10:52] <clee> (not being done in C...)
[10:53] <zenwhen> trey: its written in c++, almost exclusively.
[10:53] <zenwhen> Nothing important has ever been written in java.
[10:53] <phin|work> sigh, cant find xlibs anywhere on the ubuntu ftp site :-(
[10:53] <|trey|> grrr... ok... any way... it would be a lot faster if the parts were seperated out... then you wouldn't basically be loading the entire suite just for writing a text doc  :/
[10:54] <clee> zenwhen: maybe not "important" but Eclipse is Java.
[10:54] <clee> zenwhen: So is Project Looking Glass.
[10:54] <LinuxJones> phin|work, I have a listing for them
[10:54] <phin|work> well i cant use apt so i need to download em and install manually
[10:54] <phin|work> do you know where they are located?
[10:54] <defendguin> LinuxJones, so this will just hurt my gnome-panel startup time now while it loads part of OO?
[10:54] <|trey|> which rhymes... coincidence?
[10:55] <LinuxJones> defendguin, yes unfortunately that's the tradeoff :(
[10:55] <defendguin> we will see
[10:55] <defendguin> hmmm not that bad
[10:55] <LinuxJones> phin|work, why sin't apt working for you ?
[10:56] <phin|work> no internet
[10:56] <defendguin> but i think it got rid of the ooo splash screen
[10:56] <LinuxJones> phin|work, ahh
[10:56] <phin|work> so i gotta download stuff and burn to a rw and install
[10:56] <LinuxJones> phin|work, let me have a look
[10:56] <|trey|> phin|work: sounds painful  :/
[10:57] <phin|work> lol
[10:57] <phin|work> ya its temp
[10:57] <phin|work> im waiting on my wifi
[10:57] <phin|work> so i figured i would set it up while i wait
[10:57] <|trey|> No internet = useless mass of metal :)
[10:58] <|trey|> hmmm... you answered my ponderence  :)
[10:58] <defendguin> yup
[10:59] <|trey|> bah... no network = useless mass of metal*
[10:59] <LinuxJones> phin|work,  here you go >> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xfree86/
[11:00] <phin|work> ah
[11:00] <phin|work> thanks alot buddy! :)
[11:00] <LinuxJones> phin|work,  np man GL :D
[11:00] <|trey|> phin|work: I really advice holding out on installation untill you have internet... you are unlikely to install the default package set, which is actually a nice set of packages   :)
[11:03] <|trey|> Hmm... or the actual install CD would work.. it has the packages too  :/
[11:04] <phin|work> treyh0: i used the install cd
[11:04] <phin|work> it didnt have em
[11:05] <|trey|> stange  :/
[11:05] <|trey|> It should... surely xpdf depends xlibs?
[11:06] <|trey|> nope... guess not... wierdness  :/
[11:06] <phin|work> ya
[11:06] <phin|work> its ok
[11:06] <phin|work> lol
[11:06] <|trey|> its installed here though... wonder where I got it from  :o
[11:08] <|trey|> phin|work: word of advice... all apt repo's have a pool dir where packages are stored in that mannor (ordered by first letter etc) always look there first  :)
[11:09] <phin|work> yes i did
[11:09] <calc> i found something interesting
[11:09] <phin|work> just couldnt find exactly where it was
[11:09] <calc> the 2.6.8.1-541 kernel that fedora fc3t2 x86_64 uses works fine with CONFIG_PCI_MSI so either they have more needed fixes for the kernel, or it may be something else
[11:09] <calc> wrt bug 1814
[11:11] <|trey|> calc: I couldn't even get a netinst of fc3r2 to work  :(  kept b0rking at one package  :/
[11:11] <joh_> hi
[11:12] <joh_> is it possible to get totem-gstreamer to play divx/xvid?
[11:12] <|trey|> They need to work harder on their images/boot.iso image if they want more people to help test etc... I refuse to install 4 huge ISO's  :/
[11:12] <defendguin> LinuxJones, the quickstarter works nicely
[11:12] <LinuxJones> defendguin, ya it speeds things up nicely
[11:12] <calc> |trey|: ah i didn't realize they had a netinst image
[11:13] <|trey|> calc: they always do... they usually work too  :/
[11:13] <|trey|> calc: Ubuntu is the first full ISO I have downloaded in like 2 years  :)
[11:15] <calc> i already found a bug in their install, it lets you select your lcd size but then doesn't show the resolution to pick from, at least in the 1280x800 case 
[11:15] <|trey|> calc: only just over 4 MB's though... such an annoying size  :(
[11:16] <|trey|> calc: I don't have an LCD screen  :(
[11:16] <|trey|> Lucky git  :)
[11:16] <calc> |trey|: installed it on my laptop since debian pure64 and ubuntu amd64 don't work
[11:17] <|trey|> calc: :(  I will be trying FC 3 when its released... I have pretty much given up on the test's though...
[11:18] <|trey|> Mainly to play with LVM2 in a functional state... and to see how annoying/useful SELinux is
[11:18] <axe9dotcom> ^^'
[11:18] <axe9dotcom> How by chance do I install the spell check for OpenOffice Writer?
[11:19] <defendguin> test releases are a ness
[11:19] <defendguin> mess
[11:19] <axe9dotcom> yes
[11:19] <|trey|> defendguin: FC 1 and 2 was fine after test2  :/
[11:19] <defendguin> i never tired them to find out
[11:19] <|trey|> defendguin: then how can you comment?
[11:19] <axe9dotcom> mwahaha
[11:20] <defendguin> i think i tried FC 1 test 1 and gave up after having tried test release for RHL 8 and 9
[11:20] <defendguin> ive had my fill of test releases
[11:20] <defendguin> its all a waste of CDs
[11:20] <|trey|> defendguin: like I said... test1's are always a mess... test2's have generally been fine for me till now  :/
[11:20] <|trey|> this is ot though  :/
[11:20] <axe9dotcom> Yeah, if someone could enlighten me to the method of installing the moduals related to OpenOffice.org applications? IE, how thehell do I isntall spellcheck?
[11:21] <|trey|> defendguin: blah... I waste one CD... still got about 43957436 more  :/
[11:21] <defendguin> axe9dotcom, IT SHOULD BE THERE BY DEFAULT
[11:21] <axe9dotcom> =_=
[11:21] <axe9dotcom> it's not
[11:21] <defendguin> whoops
[11:21] <defendguin> im very sorry for the caps
[11:21] <|trey|> axe9dotcom: check bugzilla... its the same for everyone  :/
[11:21] <axe9dotcom> it is?
[11:21] <defendguin> axe9dotcom, my ooo has a little button on the side for spellcheck
[11:22] <axe9dotcom> same here
[11:22] <|trey|> defendguin: click it... it doesn't work  :/
[11:22] <axe9dotcom> but it doesn't do anything
[11:22] <axe9dotcom> yeah
[11:22] <defendguin> oh lol
[11:22] <axe9dotcom> and if you use the one in tools
[11:22] <|trey|> I typed random text, and apparently it was a word  :/
[11:22] <defendguin> i havent types anything to notice
[11:22] <defendguin> just reading documents
[11:22] <axe9dotcom> an error window comes up, saying"
[11:22] <|trey|> axe9dotcom: I got no error message... it just said it was done checking  :/
[11:22] <axe9dotcom> "error excecutig the spellcheck:
[11:23] <|trey|> surely hdsagjksahgjkhfsajkghfjdghjagahjgsahajkgjfdag isn't a word though?  :o
[11:23] <defendguin> lol
[11:23] <defendguin> the ubuntu release is a test release isnt it?
[11:23] <|trey|> defendguin: yes
[11:24] <defendguin> or a pre release
[11:24] <defendguin> when is the final planned?
[11:24] <|trey|> defendguin: its a Preview Release  ;)
[11:24] <|trey|> defendguin: umm, the end of the same month Fedora is due... thats all I remember  :)
[11:24] <defendguin> ahhhh
[11:25] <|trey|> There is a release schedule someplace  :/
[11:25] <axe9dotcom> English (USA) is not currently supported, or is not presently active. Please check your installation, and if neccesary, install the required language modual. Or, activate it under Tools > Options > Language SEttigns > Writing aids.
[11:25] <defendguin> yeah i saw it but i dont remember
[11:25] <LinuxJones> First release of Warty si scheduled for October
[11:25] <|trey|> axe9dotcom: umm... dpkg-reconfigure locales
[11:26] <|trey|> LinuxJones: end of October  :)
[11:26] <|trey|> Fedora is due on the first or something  :/
[11:27] <LinuxJones> |trey|, ya that's it
[11:28] <|trey|> LinuxJones: ps, you mean First release of Ubuntu  ;)
[11:28] <LinuxJones> |trey|, ya 
[11:28] <Kamion> well, it's the first full release of warty too. :)
[11:28] <|trey|> Warty Warthog is like Tettnang  :/
[11:29] <|trey|> Kamion: its not the first, its the only  :/
[11:29] <|trey|> first implies there will be more  :/
[11:30] <Kamion> well, there'll be security updates for at least 18 months
[11:30] <Kamion> it's arguable whether those count
[11:30] <axe9dotcom> Which locals shall I add?
[11:30] <axe9dotcom> should*
[11:31] <|trey|> New review to report  :)  http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1651228,00.asp
[11:33] <axe9dotcom> hey
[11:33] <axe9dotcom> is there a hotkey to go between workspaces?
[11:34] <mdz> axe9dotcom: ctrl+alt+<left> and <right>
[11:35] <axe9dotcom> SWEET!
[11:35] <axe9dotcom> yay ^^
[11:35] <axe9dotcom> now to fix spellcheck
[11:36] <|trey|> Like OSX, it wisely uses sudo rather than root to execute commands as the superuser.
[11:36] <|trey|> I didn't know that?
[11:36] <LinuxJones> axe9dotcom, if you get it fixed would you post to the wiki, it's a common problem :D
[11:36] <|trey|> grrr... thats a pretty shitty review though  :/
[11:38] <|trey|> wtf? ctrl+alt+tab seems wierd  :o
[11:39] <|trey|> Shouldn't you be able to enter a menu using that?
[11:40] <theantix> trey, alt-f1 for the menu
[11:40] <|trey|> hmm... I was just trying to find that... thanks... kde's is just f2  :/
[11:41] <|trey|> Could prolly change that though  :)
[11:41] <axe9dotcom> er...
[11:41] <Kamion> |trey|: reasonably positive, would like to know what kind of wireless setup they had so we can fix that
[11:41] <axe9dotcom> I doubt I'll fix it on my own =_=
[11:42] <phin|work> is there a way to mass untar a directory?
[11:42] <piotr_> where i can get mplayer packages?
[11:42] <axe9dotcom> damnit.. now I have to learn how to spell >.> 
[11:42] <phin|work> like
[11:42] <phin|work> i have 30 tar files in a dir
[11:42] <axe9dotcom> CURSE YOU OPEN OFFICE!
[11:42] <phin|work> the gkrellm theme pack
[11:42] <phin|work> is there a way to have em all extract in one command?
[11:42] <SleepBOB> I use abiword
[11:42] <|trey|> Kamion: their rambling about VPN kinda bothered me... and stating their favorate is Libranet... editorial preferences are not welcomed for me in a review...
[11:42] <SleepBOB> it has spell checking
[11:43] <|trey|> SleepBOB: aren't you special  :)
[11:43] <SleepBOB> and it approximately 71,425 times faster than OOo
[11:43] <SleepBOB> *is
[11:43] <|trey|> SleepBOB: doesn't help with fixing the OOo issue though
[11:43] <Mayday> phin|work: for WOOP in `ls -1 *.tar.gz`; do tar zxvf $WOOP; done
[11:43] <mdz> |trey|: I thought that review was quite positive
[11:43] <phin|work> i'll try!
[11:43] <SleepBOB> it helps to work around it, but yeah it is an issue
[11:44] <|trey|> mdz: it curtainly wasn't negative... just too much personal preference expressed imo  :(
[11:45] <LinuxJones> axe9dotcom, OO.o spell checking fixed, Open >> /usr/share/myspell/dict/DicOOo.sxw in Open Office and follow instructions !!
[11:47] <|trey|> That should definatly be fixed before release  :)
[11:48] <|trey|> Shouldn't that default to locales setting?
[11:48] <mdz> that's hoary material
[11:48] <mdz> for Warty, it'll get the English stuff installed
[11:49] <|trey|> mdz: seems like warty is just kinda a "hey look, we're a new distro" kinda release  :(
[11:49] <Kamion> |trey|: it's called warty 'cos it'll have warts
[11:49] <|trey|> I think if the first incarnation as good as it can be though, it will sour users...
[11:49] <|trey|> Kamion:  :)
[11:49] <Kamion> it's not quite as bad as "hey look, we're a new distro"
[11:51] <|trey|> Kamion: considering all the things planned for Hoary though, I personally feel like that a delay in the release would have been warrented...
[11:51] <|trey|> Releasing so close to Fedora, Ubuntu has major competition for attention...
[11:52] <Kamion> |trey|: we felt releasing close to GNOME 2.8 was worthwhile. With the number of distributions around now, you can't avoid clashing with somebody else.
[11:52] <Kamion> Anyway, if we only released when it was perfect, what would we do for the release after that? :)
[11:52] <|trey|> Kamion: but surely clashing with the second most popular (according to Distrowatch) can't be a good idea?  ;)
[11:52] <clee> Kamion: heh.
[11:53] <|trey|> Kamion: make all the new packages perfect  ;)
[11:53] <defendguin> Kamion, releasing so close to gnome 2.8 helped so much with people wanting to try gnome 2.8 ut not wanting to use one of the build tools :-)
[11:53] <Kamion> |trey|: can't win 'em all, and we're going to come up against them sooner or later
[11:53] <Mithrandir> |trey|: why does it matter?
[11:53] <defendguin> s/ut/but
[11:53] <Telep> I agree with Kamion - I probably wouldn't have heard of Ubuntu if it wasn't for Gnome 2.8
[11:54] <Telep> sorry, I meant I agree with defendguin
[11:54] <Telep> :D
[11:54] <LinuxJones> Kamion, do you know jeff's email address offhand ?
[11:54] <defendguin> ;)
[11:54] <|trey|> Mithrandir: Just seeing so much that might not be up to scratch in Warty... primary reason for installing was to play with the features in Hoary...
[11:54] <Mithrandir> LinuxJones: jeff.waugh@canonical.com
[11:54] <LinuxJones> Mithrandir, thanks
[11:54] <|trey|> Hoping that they would be at least present in Warty  :/
[11:55] <Mithrandir> |trey|: well, you'll see a lot of them in hoary, then. ;)
[11:55] <|trey|> Mithrandir: but thats 6 months away... and pool/hoary isn't even being populated yet :(
[11:55] <Mithrandir> |trey|: it will be once warty is out
[11:56] <|trey|> Mithrandir: pretty much thinking I will be using that right away  :)
[11:56] <Mithrandir> |trey|: we want to concentrate on making warty as good as possible; opening up hoary would just distract us at this point.
[11:56] <|trey|> Mithrandir: hopefully x-window-system-core will have sufficient depends and conflicts to not majorly break X  :)
[11:56] <Mithrandir> |trey|: it should have, yes.
[11:57] <Mithrandir> if not, it's a bug and should be fixed. :)
[11:58] <mdz> Kamion: back?
[11:58] <|trey|> Mithrandir: I'm not really complaining, Ubuntu certainly has promise, I just think that maybe displaying the planned features for Hoary is unfair  :)
[11:58] <Mithrandir> |trey|: it's not a showoff, it's a wiki, and partly a wishlist, though
[11:59] <|trey|> Mithrandir: I understand that... however at least one person used that to determin whether he would give Ubuntu a shot  :(
[11:59] <mdz> |trey|: you expected the hoary features to be present in Warty? :-)