| Kamion | mdz: I'm waiting for the i386 kernels to build | 12:04 |
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| Kamion | or be NEW-processed or whatever, not sure where they are | 12:04 |
| mdz | Kamion: I mean, does that require a 2-day cycle to get into d-i and then onto the CD? or does it go straight to the CD? | 12:05 |
| mdz | on a previous occasion you said that a particular update would take 2 days to propagate | 12:05 |
| Kamion | http://people.no-name-yet.com/~lamont/buildLogs/l/linux-kernel-di-i386-2.6/0.64ubuntu4/linux-kernel-di-i386-2.6_0.64ubuntu4_20040927-2023-i386-successful says it built OK | 12:05 |
| mdz | they're probably waiting in NEW, then | 12:05 |
| Kamion | mdz: I'm going to be doing a debian-installer upload today anyway, so it'll get into that | 12:05 |
| Kamion | since it's needed for the new kernels | 12:06 |
| mdz | I wonder if NEW processing can be automated for warty, for new binary packages from existing source | 12:06 |
| Kamion | and I have a few minor boot screen changes from Mark | 12:06 |
| mdz | or more importantly, if elmo would explode | 12:06 |
| Kamion | dunno, I tend to think it's a good sanity check | 12:06 |
| Kamion | at the very least it would have to validate against germinate output, I think | 12:07 |
| Kamion | mdz: to answer your earlier question properly, the new kernel .debs go straight to the CD, but the new .udebs require a d-i build and then a CD build | 12:08 |
| Kamion | if you forget about the d-i build stage, then the CD is essentially unusable for a day | 12:08 |
| mdz | Kamion: so the end result is that if they get processed in time for your d-i build, they'll be on tomorrow's CD | 12:08 |
| Kamion | mdz: since I'm waiting for it ... :) | 12:08 |
| Kamion | yes | 12:08 |
| Kamion | I'll hopefully be doing a CD build tonight, maybe calling it Sounder 9 if it works | 12:09 |
| mdz | I tested a CD install after fixing vim, and it worked for me | 12:11 |
| mdz | so hopefully it should be in good shape | 12:11 |
| elmo_ | NEW cleared | 12:11 |
| elmo_ | anything else before I head back to the hotel? | 12:12 |
| mdz | elmo_: don't think so, thanks | 12:12 |
| mdz | elmo_: oht, wait | 12:13 |
| Mithrandir | elmo_: sync gftp, please? | 12:13 |
| Mithrandir | elmo_: you've got mail about it, and mdz approved it | 12:13 |
| mdz | elmo_: myspell-en-us and myspell-en-gb hadn't yet been added to desktopp when you did the resync, I think | 12:13 |
| mdz | I've added them now | 12:13 |
| Mithrandir | but I haven't seen it, so I guess you've forgotten? | 12:13 |
| Mithrandir | or not done yet | 12:13 |
| mdz | those should be in desktop for sounder 9 if at all possible | 12:13 |
| mdz | so that spell checking works | 12:14 |
| elmo_ | Mithrandir: it wasn't on ftp.uk earlier - I'll check | 12:14 |
| Mithrandir | elmo_: it was in incoming when I wrote the mail. :) | 12:14 |
| elmo_ | yeah, I don't sync from incoming, that feels like crossing a line | 12:14 |
| Mithrandir | makes sense | 12:15 |
| mdz | likewise for openoffice.org-hyphenation | 12:15 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: we've had an ooo upload since my amd64 build, right? | 12:15 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: I think so, yes | 12:15 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: do you know if anybody has done the amd64 upload as well? | 12:15 |
| Mithrandir | if not, I should get around to it tomorrow | 12:16 |
| === Mithrandir misses something like madison | ||
| Kamion | elmo_: hm, will you be able to byhand the debian-installer upload tonight? | 12:17 |
| Kamion | elmo_: if not, I'll defer Sounder 9 'til tomorrow | 12:17 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: I do not think it has been done yet | 12:22 |
| Mithrandir | nope, doesn't look like it. | 12:23 |
| Kamion | elmo_: just uploaded debian-installer 20040801ubuntu16, so it should build soon | 12:23 |
| === lamont grumbles | ||
| lamont | linux-source-2.6.8.1_2.6.8.1-7_i386.changes REJECTED | 12:31 |
| lamont | hrmpf | 12:31 |
| tseng | =/ | 12:31 |
| tseng | did the builder pickup mono yet? | 12:32 |
| lamont | tseng: source package name mono? | 12:37 |
| tseng | all the mono stuff we talked about the other day | 12:38 |
| tseng | update from sid. | 12:38 |
| lamont | not showing up as of 5 minutes ago | 12:40 |
| lamont | still, taht is | 12:41 |
| tseng | hm, ok. | 12:41 |
| lamont | elmo about? | 12:42 |
| lamont | "sure, we can get you in and out in a just a couple of hours".. sigh. | 12:43 |
| elmo_ | kamion: processed | 12:45 |
| Kamion | kewl, ta | 12:46 |
| elmo_ | mdz: myspell done, I think ooo-hyphen stuff was done earlier | 12:46 |
| elmo_ | Mithrandir: done | 12:46 |
| Mithrandir | elmo_: thanks a lot | 12:46 |
| elmo_ | anything else? | 12:46 |
| Kamion | ok, I think I need a drink before the parted-code-review-of-doom | 12:46 |
| Kamion | back in a bit | 12:47 |
| lamont | elmo_: hints on all the reject mail I got earlier today? | 12:47 |
| elmo_ | lamont: the contrib shit? | 12:47 |
| elmo_ | if so, you can ignore it | 12:47 |
| lamont | that and some stale amd64 bits | 12:47 |
| lamont | and some apparently empty changes.. | 12:47 |
| === lamont likes the ignore option | ||
| elmo_ | who uploaded docbook, sgml-data and gnomemeeting? it got wrong distributioned | 12:50 |
| elmo_ | seb128: gnomemeeting is you | 12:52 |
| elmo_ | (ignore the other two, they were daniels and he fixed) | 12:52 |
| seb128 | ok | 12:52 |
| mdz | elmo_: thanks | 12:53 |
| mdz | elmo_: -en-gb was seeded, but -en-us was not | 12:53 |
| mdz | elmo_: looks like -en-us is still in universe | 12:54 |
| elmo_ | yeah, fixed | 12:55 |
| mdz | thanks | 12:55 |
| elmo_ | really going now, it's 30 mins back to hotel :( | 12:55 |
| mdz | elmo_: good night | 12:55 |
| mdz | thanks for staying | 12:56 |
| azeem | did you guys see the ubuntu review featured on /. already? | 01:29 |
| mdz | the one which is just a link to the extremetech story? | 01:42 |
| mdz | (if so, yes) | 01:42 |
| azeem | yes | 01:42 |
| azeem | there's another one on osnews, though | 01:43 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: argh, sorry, I just uploaded ooo-amd64 to sync; I guess that's ok? | 01:47 |
| Mithrandir | if not, I can still pull it | 01:47 |
| Mithrandir | no, I can't. | 01:48 |
| mdz | azeem: yes, that one is already linked from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/press/ | 01:48 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: it's ok | 01:48 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: sorry about not asking for confirmation. Shouldn't upload when tired. :/ | 01:48 |
| === Mithrandir goes to bed for real | ||
| mdz | good night | 01:48 |
| jdub | uuuggghhh | 01:53 |
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| tseng | hiya jdub | 04:16 |
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| fabbione | morning | 05:38 |
| daniels | morning fabbione | 05:39 |
| fabbione | hi dani | 05:39 |
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| daniels | jdub: ok if I claim 1394? | 05:50 |
| fabbione | daniels: do you happen to have Rene Rebe email addredd? | 06:00 |
| fabbione | address even | 06:00 |
| daniels | who's rene rebe? :) | 06:00 |
| fabbione | it's someone that commits code to Xfree86 | 06:01 |
| fabbione | if i knew who he was i wouldn't ask :-) | 06:01 |
| fabbione | but google returns only one possible match | 06:01 |
| daniels | heh | 06:01 |
| daniels | which code has he touched? | 06:01 |
| fabbione | ok i found him | 06:02 |
| fabbione | i think i even meet him at LinuxTag | 06:03 |
| daniels | heh! | 06:09 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu development -- general discussion on #ubuntu | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by mdz at Mon Sep 20 07:48:40 2004 | ||
| (jdub/#ubuntu-devel) mdz: anyway, you pinged? | 08:48 | |
| mdz | jdub: I think I wanted to ask you about what ended up becoming #1851 | 08:48 |
| fabbione | mdz: i need to wait to upload X | 08:51 |
| fabbione | mdz: Overfiend spotted a possible licence problem with one fix i imported from xfree86 | 08:51 |
| fabbione | we already mailed the guy asking for copyright/licence clarification | 08:52 |
| fabbione | the fix shouldn't be important for the nv driver but it's good to have | 08:52 |
| === jdub gars at ubuntu-audio bugs | ||
| jdub | most annoying widget when you have audio turned on: the option list! | 09:02 |
| jdub | mdz: oddly, g-s-t doesn't even grok that my device is wifi | 09:04 |
| jdub | argh | 09:05 |
| === jdub turns off sounds | ||
| mdz | pitti: did you see my report to the list with the new utopia stack crashing? | 09:08 |
| mdz | fabbione: ok | 09:08 |
| pitti | mdz: not yet, I look | 09:08 |
| pitti | mdz: I'm still at processing my inbox... | 09:08 |
| mdz | ok | 09:08 |
| mdz | jdub: it seems so strange that it doesn't let you configure an encryption key, since the backend support seems to be all three | 09:09 |
| mdz | s/three/three/ | 09:09 |
| mdz | s/three/there/ | 09:09 |
| jdub | i can't even configure an essid atm | 09:09 |
| === fabbione has to wait all the secondary MX's to flush the queue | ||
| pitti | mdz: ugh, it crashes in gnome-vfs? | 09:10 |
| pitti | mdz: I have an idea for a slightly easier method of unmounting | 09:11 |
| pitti | mdz: I will prepare a test package and send it to you | 09:11 |
| mdz | pitti: great, I will be awake for a bit, but not too long | 09:12 |
| mdz | pitti: do you not experience the crash? | 09:12 |
| pitti | mdz: no, it worked fine for me | 09:12 |
| mdz | interesting | 09:12 |
| pitti | mdz: I tried burning to an unmounted and to a mounted RW+ | 09:12 |
| mdz | this is basically a clean warty install | 09:12 |
| mdz | I did a daily cd install test 2 days ago | 09:13 |
| pitti | mdz: hmm, I apt-upgraded yesterday | 09:13 |
| mdz | jdub: what's the deal on wvdial? shall we suck it up and add wvdial to desktop? | 09:13 |
| pitti | mdz: but this stuff must work with all versions, not just with one combination | 09:13 |
| jdub | mdz: i think that's the only way forward at this stage | 09:14 |
| mdz | done | 09:14 |
| pitti | mdz: re capability module loading: was there a hotplug update to handle this? I don't have the modules in /etc/modules | 09:16 |
| jdub | "The biggest flaw I see with this distro ..." | 09:16 |
| jdub | "Is its name. I mean, what the hell is an Ubuntu? :) I could think of a million names better than this one." | 09:16 |
| jamesh | as opposed to a Linspire or a Suse? | 09:17 |
| mdz | pitti: I have no idea; I thought it was in the same situation as ppp_generic, ide-disk, etc. where there was simply no trigger to load it | 09:21 |
| pitti | mdz: maybe it's loaded automatically as soon as hal starts | 09:22 |
| pitti | mdz: I will try that out | 09:22 |
| Mithrandir | ARGH. | 09:22 |
| Mithrandir | apt-get upgrade hangs, but works if I strace it. | 09:22 |
| Mithrandir | I wonder how I am to generate an useful error report out of this.. | 09:23 |
| pitti | mdz: hmm, now n-c-b crashes at my box _with_ the fix I had in mind... | 09:23 |
| pitti | mdz: I wanted to unmount the CD the Gnome way, to get rid of device locks and have the preumount signal | 09:24 |
| pitti | mdz: but these APIs are not documented yet; if that fails, I can revert to just calling pumount for the device | 09:24 |
| mdz | jdub: you can configure the essid; it's just sneaky about it | 09:27 |
| mdz | jdub: essid == "network name" | 09:27 |
| mdz | jdub: which nobody _ever_ guesses (#1295) and I think we should fix if possible | 09:27 |
| jdub | mdz: no seriously -> g-s-t does not grok that eth1 is a wireless device. (so doesn't offer *any* of those options.) | 09:29 |
| mdz | jdub: sux0r, works for me | 09:30 |
| jdub | also, where do bluetooth devices show up? | 09:30 |
| mdz | jdub: what do you get when a cross an elephant with a rhino? | 09:30 |
| pitti | mdz: http://www.piware.de/nautilus-cd-burner_2.8.3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb | 09:30 |
| pitti | mdz: works for me | 09:30 |
| jdub | /proc/bluetooth has stuff in it, but the device doesn't seem to be listed anywhere sane | 09:30 |
| mdz | pitti: I'll give it a try | 09:30 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: when did this problem appear? | 09:38 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: some time ago -- a week or two, I think. | 09:39 |
| jdub | mdz: confirmation for gdm upload that changes conf stuff only? | 09:39 |
| Mithrandir | I've upgraded to the latest kernel, so it's at least not that. | 09:39 |
| jdub | four changes in total: | 09:39 |
| jdub | -#GtkTheme=Default | 09:39 |
| jdub | +GtkTheme=Human | 09:39 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: and it's worked around easily enough with LD_ASSUME_KERNEL, but I fear some end-user will run into it. | 09:39 |
| jdub | -#AllowGtkThemeChange=true | 09:39 |
| jdub | +AllowGtkThemeChange=true | 09:39 |
| jdub | -#GtkThemesToAllow=all | 09:39 |
| jdub | +GtkThemesToAllow=Human,HighContrast,HighContrastInverse,LowContrast | 09:39 |
| jdub | -#UseCirclesInEntry=false | 09:40 |
| jdub | +UseCirclesInEntry=true | 09:40 |
| jdub | 09:40 | |
| mdz | jdub: yes (didn't we do that some time ago?) | 09:40 |
| mdz | at least GtkTheme=Human I thought we had done | 09:40 |
| jdub | nup | 09:40 |
| jdub | that was the gdm default theme | 09:41 |
| jdub | not the gtk theme | 09:41 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: I've seen no other reports :-/ | 09:41 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: neither has I. | 09:57 |
| Mithrandir | I'm running on a p4 with the smp kernel, though | 09:57 |
| Mithrandir | I don't know if that's unusual | 09:57 |
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| seb128 | morning | 10:06 |
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| elmo_ | aiee | 10:17 |
| elmo_ | seb128: that new gnomemeeting pulled in a whole bunch of stuff to main - known? | 10:18 |
| seb128 | which stuff ? | 10:18 |
| elmo_ | db2, docbook-defguide, docbook-ebnf, fftw, tidy, wvdial, wvstreams | 10:19 |
| seb128 | that's due to gnomemeeting ? | 10:19 |
| seb128 | I've uploaded previous version with only "libpt-plugins-v4l | libpt-plugins-avc | libpt-plugins-dc" in the depends | 10:19 |
| elmo_ | hmm, maybe not, sorry, I think it's gnome meeting plus some seed changes | 10:21 |
| seb128 | ok, no problem | 10:21 |
| seb128 | wvdial is required for ppp config with gnome-system-tools | 10:21 |
| seb128 | somebody probably added it to a seed | 10:22 |
| seb128 | dunno for the others | 10:22 |
| elmo_ | yeah, matt did | 10:22 |
| elmo_ | most of them seem to be pulled in as build-deps for wvdial | 10:22 |
| elmo_ | evil | 10:22 |
| seb128 | ok | 10:22 |
| sivang | fabbione , here? | 10:25 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: does it go away if you use the non-smp kernel? | 10:26 |
| sivang | or daniels? | 10:26 |
| mdz | elmo_: how bad is it? | 10:26 |
| mdz | I knew it pulled in one other package, but didn't look beyond that | 10:26 |
| elmo_ | oh | 10:26 |
| mdz | fftw?? | 10:26 |
| elmo_ | you're still awake | 10:27 |
| elmo_ | mdz: b-d of wvstreams | 10:27 |
| elmo_ | (which is b-d of wvdial) | 10:27 |
| mdz | yeah | 10:27 |
| elmo_ | all the ones I listed above are source packages that'll be pulled in | 10:27 |
| mdz | what crap | 10:27 |
| sivang | anyone besides fabbione/daniels can help to work a 100hz working X config? | 10:27 |
| elmo_ | all due to wvdial | 10:27 |
| mdz | I wonder if wvstreams can be pared down not to require those | 10:28 |
| mdz | certainly the doc stuff | 10:28 |
| sivang | I've been munging it for a couple of hours, X just won't agree to use 100Hz for vrefresh. Although monitor supports it | 10:28 |
| elmo_ | mdz: want me to add it in the meantime? | 10:29 |
| mdz | elmo_: that is way too much cruft for my comfort | 10:30 |
| mdz | I wish we didn't need wvdial itself either | 10:30 |
| === elmo_ quietly undoes the stuff he just added ;-) | ||
| fabbione | sivang: yes i am around but please move the discussion to #ubuntu | 10:34 |
| sivang | fabbione : ofcourse | 10:34 |
| fabbione | crack of day doesn't install | 10:40 |
| fabbione | libdns16 is not going to be installed | 10:40 |
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| mdz | fabbione: uploading a new debootstrap | 10:54 |
| elmo_ | gar, main depends on restricted now? | 10:58 |
| elmo_ | is that valid? | 10:58 |
| mdz | elmo_: I emailed you and colin twice, weeks ago, asking your opinion on that, and neither of you replied | 11:01 |
| mdz | pitti: your new nautilus-cd-burner fixes the segfault | 11:02 |
| elmo_ | you mentioned that, but I couldn't find any mail about it | 11:02 |
| mdz | pitti: but the original problem is not fixed | 11:02 |
| pitti | mdz: okay, thanks for the report | 11:02 |
| pitti | mdz: which original problem? | 11:02 |
| mdz | pitti: the device is still mounted in the middle of the write operation | 11:02 |
| pitti | mdz: even with the new hal/gvm? | 11:02 |
| mdz | Version: 0.2.98-1ubuntu1 | 11:02 |
| mdz | Version: 1.0.2-0ubuntu1 | 11:02 |
| pitti | mdz: when you start to burn, hal-device-manager should display some info.lock* properties | 11:03 |
| pitti | mdz: it worked fine for me, so I thought that were handled... | 11:03 |
| mdz | pitti: I did not see any; is that the right version of hal? | 11:04 |
| pitti | mdz: this locking stuff is not perfect anyway; it is an advisory lock for gvm, and you can still pmount the device or use a manual mount (right-clock in context menu) | 11:04 |
| pitti | mdz: yes, right hal version | 11:04 |
| elmo_ | mdz: I've re-searched and really can't find this mail - can you give me a subject/msg-id? | 11:05 |
| mdz | 02:05:24.253 [I] linux/block_class_device.c:2312: Directory /etc changed | 11:05 |
| mdz | 02:05:24.253 [I] linux/block_class_device.c:2226: /etc/mtab changed, processing all block devices | 11:05 |
| pitti | mdz: I also could reproduce this once, but I tried yesterday and it did not "work" (the bug reproduction) | 11:05 |
| mdz | pitti: that is all I see from hal when the write starts | 11:05 |
| pitti | mdz: I don't know whether the lockign stuff is logged; can you look into hal-device-manager? | 11:06 |
| mdz | elmo_: I'll look; I don't _think_ I hallucinated it | 11:06 |
| mdz | elmo_: but basically I think it comes down to naming. I'd like to have a metapackage which depends on both linux-image and linux-restricted-modules, and probably another one which just depends on linux-image | 11:07 |
| pitti | mdz: I just got another grave bug report against the new hal; it can destroy USB stick file systems | 11:07 |
| mdz | but I can't think of reasonable names | 11:07 |
| pitti | mdz: new upstream versions... | 11:07 |
| mdz | elmo_: Message-ID: <20040917001908.GR5721@alcor.net> | 11:08 |
| mdz | elmo_: Subject: Re: Metapackages for linux-restricted-modules | 11:08 |
| mdz | pitti: great :-/ | 11:08 |
| mdz | pitti: anyway the burning seems to work correctly at least | 11:08 |
| pitti | mdz: yes, great that I did not upload the stuff immediately :-/ | 11:08 |
| mdz | it is just disconcerting to have it open and close during the process | 11:08 |
| pitti | mdz: oh, when it happened to me, the burning failed | 11:09 |
| pitti | mdz: maybe because my burner is very old and does not have burnproof and the like | 11:09 |
| pitti | mdz: locking still should work, this was the primary reason for the new upstream stuff | 11:09 |
| pitti | mdz: I take a look at this today | 11:09 |
| elmo_ | mdz: okay, sorry I did get that but managed to completely lose it somehow | 11:11 |
| elmo_ | mdz: anyway, I really think violating the main-is-a-self-contained-unit thing is a bad plan, but I can't really justify it beyond that | 11:11 |
| fabbione | mdz: 1405. i dunno. i can't really check right now since my test box can't be installed until debootstrap is built and uploaded | 11:13 |
| mdz | elmo_: I agree; I was looking for something more in the way of a solution | 11:14 |
| mdz | fabbione: it is already built and uploaded | 11:14 |
| elmo_ | mdz: you should have learnt not to have such unreasonable expectations by now, dude | 11:15 |
| mdz | eek, hal just segfaulted on me | 11:16 |
| mdz | after I powered off my burner | 11:16 |
| mdz | 02:15:24.905 [I] linux/block_class_device.c:637: Disc in /dev/sr0 has audio | 11:16 |
| mdz | 02:15:24.905 [I] linux/block_class_device.c:666: get_disc_type returned 0x360a | 11:16 |
| mdz | 02:15:24.905 [I] linux/block_class_device.c:1027: Media in no_partitions device /dev/sr0 | 11:16 |
| mdz | [1] + Segmentation fault sudo hald --drop-privileges --daemon=no --verbose=yes | 11:16 |
| pitti | mdz: do you run this with --daemon=no? | 11:16 |
| elmo_ | mdz: but seriously, there are no solutions beyond "don't do that" surely? i.e. using, like you said, two meta packages | 11:16 |
| mdz | pitti: correct | 11:16 |
| pitti | mdz: or where do you get these messages from? | 11:16 |
| mdz | elmo_: <mdz> elmo_: but basically I think it comes down to naming. I'd like to have a metapackage which depends on both linux-image and linux-restricted-modules, and probably another one which just depends on linux-image | 11:17 |
| elmo_ | I think two meta packages is more correct anyway as not all of us are going to want the restricted crap installed | 11:17 |
| pitti | mdz: incidentially, my hal also crashed | 11:17 |
| mdz | I guess we could have linux-<flavour> as the image+restricted one | 11:17 |
| mdz | and create a linux-image-<flavour> for just the image | 11:17 |
| pitti | mdz: but no segfault, it just hangs uninterrupibly | 11:17 |
| mdz | ok, I need to get to bed | 11:17 |
| mdz | more on all of this tomorrow | 11:17 |
| pitti | mdz: sleep well! If you can reproduce the crash, can you please try to run it in gdb? | 11:18 |
| fabbione | mdz: well it's not on auckland yet :-)) | 11:18 |
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| seb128 | hum | 11:21 |
| seb128 | I've added "libpt-plugins-v4l | libpt-plugins-avc | libpt-plugins-dc" to the gnomemeeting depends ... we need to update seed too to get these into main ?? | 11:21 |
| seb128 | -? | 11:22 |
| elmo_ | seb128: I did that already | 11:24 |
| elmo_ | seb128: but please mail me when you do stuff that adds deps on stuff in universe - it's not automated | 11:25 |
| seb128 | ok, thanks | 11:25 |
| seb128 | sorry, I'll remember next time | 11:25 |
| elmo_ | no prob | 11:25 |
| seb128 | I was thinking that depends for stuff in main were automatically in main ... | 11:26 |
| elmo_ | no, because a) the wiki's wide-open and that's where the seed lists are, b) even additions by our venerable CTO (e.g. wvdial) lead to unexpected and unwanted changes | 11:27 |
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| seb128 | ok | 11:32 |
| elmo_ | kiko would like you all to not do any work because he couldn't code his way out of a wet paper bag | 11:32 |
| elmo_ | even pylint says so | 11:32 |
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| Mithrandir | mdz: yes, non-smp kernel fixes it. | 12:05 |
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| fabbione | mdz, jdub: permission to upload initscripts to fix #1405 | 12:19 |
| === thom has 400GB of SATA love on his desk | ||
| thom | *drool* | 12:25 |
| daniels | thom: gar | 12:26 |
| daniels | thom: i'll let you keep the hard drives if you send me the LCD | 12:26 |
| thom | har har | 12:26 |
| daniels | thom: sound fair? | 12:26 |
| thom | you're so kind | 12:26 |
| daniels | i know. the Mother Teresa of the open source world. | 12:26 |
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| === daniels kicks IBM. | ||
| daniels | fascists. | 12:27 |
| daniels | they called me at 11am (!) and then said they'd email me all the details I needed to actually pay them in half an hour | 12:27 |
| daniels | that was a good 9 hours ago now | 12:27 |
| thom | heh | 12:28 |
| === daniels sharpens his conversation axe and prepares to do battle again tomorrow. | ||
| fabbione | who is going to approve uploads if both mdz and jdub are not available? | 12:29 |
| fabbione | elmo? | 12:29 |
| daniels | hm, sabdfl, mdz and jdub all unavailable | 12:31 |
| ross | fabbione: i'm sure its fine to upload | 12:32 |
| daniels | i sense this is an extension of the dsl bug; more anti-canonical agents, I suspect | 12:32 |
| fabbione | ross: eheheh i know it's fine.. but we are deep freeze and uploads require authorization | 12:32 |
| elmo_ | fabbione: no, not me, I'm just the archive bitch, nothing to do with RM | 12:40 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: mdz should be up in five-ish hours, though. | 12:41 |
| fabbione | elmo_: well you are still cool enough to do RM too :P | 12:41 |
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| fabbione | Mithrandir: yeah but i won't be around in 5 hours.. | 12:41 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: gotta go and talk with the electrician. | 12:41 |
| Mithrandir | I should set up 1-hour DELAYED, 2-hour DELAYED and so on for us. | 12:41 |
| elmo_ | Mithrandir: gar no | 12:42 |
| fabbione | the little punk he sent to me to make a job proposal didn't get a clue that i need a nuclear power plant in the garden | 12:42 |
| Mithrandir | elmo_: jk. ;) | 12:42 |
| thom | Mithrandir: i have a pair of 200s, as it happens | 12:43 |
| Mithrandir | thom: smallish, then. | 12:43 |
| Mithrandir | thom: I have a pair of 400s. | 12:43 |
| thom | that seems a little over the top | 12:44 |
| Mithrandir | not for a backup box | 12:44 |
| thom | given that i have windows and two warty installs on a single 40GB drive, 200GB is gonna feel huge | 12:44 |
| thom | Mithrandir: ah. see, this is for my desktop | 12:44 |
| Mithrandir | my ~ is 20G. | 12:44 |
| jdub | fabbione: you need approval for 1405? | 12:44 |
| thom | 4.9G 4.4G 506M 90% /home | 12:45 |
| jdub | man, hardly worth answering questions on u-u anymore, given the multiple answers all the time | 12:45 |
| thom | it gets very uncomfortable when building firefox ;-) | 12:45 |
| fabbione | jdub: yes | 12:46 |
| Mithrandir | thom: I can imagine.. that's the size of my mail dir | 12:47 |
| jdub | fabbione: ok, approved | 12:47 |
| fabbione | jdub: thanks | 12:49 |
| fabbione | done | 12:49 |
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| trukulo | jdub: good night | 01:03 |
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| === Kamion builds new images, given the base-system breakage | ||
| ross | Kamion: i take it tomorrows daily images will have the new kernel in? | 01:43 |
| Kamion | today's already do | 01:43 |
| Kamion | they don't work for other reasons | 01:43 |
| ross | ah, ok. will tomorrows work? :) | 01:44 |
| Kamion | huh, wait a sec | 01:44 |
| Kamion | aha, today's *didn't build* :P | 01:44 |
| ross | aah | 01:44 |
| Kamion | and that would be because people *still* need to warn me when they're going to change the base system. gah. | 01:45 |
| === Kamion tries again | ||
| elmo_ | sorry (I didn't request it, but I could have blocked it/whined at NEW) | 01:50 |
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| Kamion | ah well | 02:07 |
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| elmo_ | Purging configuration files for nautilus ... | 02:07 |
| elmo_ | rmdir: `/etc/X11/starthere': No such file or directory | 02:07 |
| elmo_ | dpkg: error processing nautilus (--purge): | 02:07 |
| elmo_ | seb128: getting that on one of the machines in the DC - known/fixed problem? | 02:07 |
| seb128 | no, not known | 02:08 |
| seb128 | I'll have a look | 02:08 |
| lamont | morning world | 02:09 |
| thom | yo | 02:09 |
| seb128 | hey lamont | 02:09 |
| seb128 | elmo_: ok, I'll fix it | 02:10 |
| lamont | gotta take kids to school in a few. | 02:10 |
| elmo_ | seb128: cool, thanks | 02:10 |
| elmo_ | seb128: want me to file a bug you can point jdub/mdz at? | 02:10 |
| elmo_ | seb128: btw, it's all 3 directories mentioned in the postrm, but I guess you knew that | 02:11 |
| seb128 | no, that's fine. I'm allowed to fix GNOME bugs without asking :) | 02:11 |
| seb128 | yes, I know, but thanks :) | 02:11 |
| elmo_ | haha, Jeff's RM-ing is just such an excuse for him to ignore the rules for "feature goals" (i.e. what he cares about :P) | 02:12 |
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| lamont | elmo_: duh... | 02:12 |
| lamont | it's _ALWAYS_ that way. When it's not, you have a boring RM. :-) | 02:13 |
| elmo_ | Looking for keymap to install: | 02:13 |
| elmo_ | \mac-usb-uk | 02:13 |
| elmo_ | oh my god, not that stupid bug still! | 02:13 |
| elmo_ | (the \ is a pasto, ignore that) | 02:13 |
| Kamion | hm? mac-usb-uk's correct here | 02:13 |
| elmo_ | kamion: not on a HP DL380, it's not | 02:13 |
| Kamion | ! | 02:13 |
| elmo_ | that happened as part of the upgrade | 02:14 |
| Kamion | console-data must be on good crack | 02:14 |
| Kamion | I'm afraid I only barely understand what's going on in console-data.config, though | 02:14 |
| Kamion | 'dpkg-reconfigure console-data' ought to at least let you clear it up ... | 02:15 |
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| elmo_ | GOD DAMN IT | 02:21 |
| pitti | sjoerd: here? | 02:22 |
| sjoerd | pitti: yeah | 02:22 |
| pitti | sjoerd: I looked at this mount locking stuff when a CD-RW is burned | 02:23 |
| pitti | sjoerd: currently only the hal package supports locking; but shouldn't gvm actually check this lock before mounting a device? | 02:23 |
| pitti | sjoerd: do you know whether this is already implemented upstream? | 02:23 |
| sjoerd | pitti: it's in gvm's unstable branch | 02:24 |
| sjoerd | pitti: i intend to patch debians gvm 1.0.2 with it before uploading | 02:24 |
| pitti | sjoerd: I was already wondering why cd burning still sucks... | 02:24 |
| sjoerd | but first hal needs to get out of new... | 02:24 |
| pitti | sjoerd: thanks; I will grab it from there | 02:24 |
| pitti | sjoerd: do you happen to have the CVS URL at hand? | 02:24 |
| pitti | sjoerd: don't bother, I have it | 02:25 |
| sjoerd | hehe | 02:25 |
| sjoerd | pitti: although for debian it's still somewhat useless, because nothing uses it | 02:25 |
| pitti | sjoerd: we urgently need that to fix cd burning | 02:25 |
| pitti | sjoerd: the half-written cd is mounted during burning, which breaks the further burning | 02:26 |
| pitti | sjoerd: and the user can still manually mount the cd | 02:26 |
| sjoerd | autch | 02:26 |
| === sjoerd hasn't seen that behaviour | ||
| sjoerd | only that some drives abort burning when nautilus polls media status | 02:27 |
| pitti | sjoerd: ah, I have the patch | 02:27 |
| sjoerd | s/nautilus/hal/ | 02:27 |
| === pitti will go to implement it | ||
| pitti | sjoerd: when I'm at fixing gvm, what does this 03_browse_fixup patch do? | 02:28 |
| pitti | sjoerd: does it open a nautilus window if gthumb is not invoked? | 02:28 |
| sjoerd | pitti: yes | 02:29 |
| pitti | sjoerd: nice | 02:29 |
| sjoerd | pitti: same for when inserting dvd's when video playing action is disabled | 02:29 |
| pitti | sjoerd: will it go upstream? | 02:30 |
| pitti | sjoerd: I don't want to diverge from upstream behavior too much | 02:30 |
| sjoerd | pitti: i've sent it but it wasn't applied | 02:30 |
| pitti | sjoerd: we already discussed that; this should probably be another option in the removable device configuration dialog | 02:30 |
| sjoerd | pitti: ? | 02:31 |
| pitti | sjoerd: Ubuntu has a nice dialog where you can configure what happens with your removable devices | 02:32 |
| pitti | sjoerd: This is no Ubuntu invention, it must be there in Debian, too | 02:32 |
| sjoerd | pitti: you mean gnome-volume-properties | 02:32 |
| pitti | sjoerd: probably :-) | 02:32 |
| sjoerd | what do you mean by ``this'' there. Opening nautilus when the import photo's option is disabled ? | 02:33 |
| === sjoerd needs to put all the debian patches in bugzilla rsn, so they won't be completely forgotten | ||
| pitti | sjoerd: by "this" I mean "fall back to browsing if no other handling was applied" | 02:37 |
| sjoerd | ok | 02:37 |
| pitti | sjoerd: IMHO it makes sense | 02:37 |
| pitti | sjoerd: but some users might not want it | 02:38 |
| sjoerd | hmm.. well a mass storage camera is just removable storage, for which gvm makes an exception | 02:38 |
| pitti | sjoerd: AFAICS this gvm patch only inhibits automatic mounts during CD Burning | 02:38 |
| pitti | sjoerd: users can still mount it manually | 02:38 |
| pitti | sjoerd: so maybe gnome-vfs2 shoudl respect info.locked as well? | 02:39 |
| sjoerd | that would be nice | 02:39 |
| pitti | sjoerd: this still won't help against a command line "mount", though | 02:40 |
| pitti | sjoerd: that's the reason why I implemented this in pmount | 02:40 |
| === sjoerd was just thinking about that | ||
| azeem | pitti: who sould mount a CD while it is getting burned? | 02:41 |
| pitti | sjoerd: but matt prefered the upstream solution | 02:41 |
| azeem | eh, s/sould/would/ | 02:41 |
| pitti | azeem: users do stupid things.. :-) | 02:41 |
| azeem | yeah, but you don't patch coreutils to prevent rm -rf $HOME either, do you? | 02:41 |
| sjoerd | there is a certain level where the user is just doing stupid things | 02:41 |
| pitti | azeem: no | 02:41 |
| pitti | sjoerd: agreed :-) | 02:42 |
| sjoerd | you can't prevent that :).. | 02:42 |
| azeem | I mean, if somebody uses the command-line, he should know what he does | 02:42 |
| azeem | or she | 02:42 |
| sjoerd | preventing accidental mounts from nautilus sounds nice though | 02:42 |
| pitti | sjoerd,azeem: Implementing it in pmount was no big deal, so it would have been nice | 02:42 |
| sjoerd | Is ubuntu's cdrecord patched to use O_EXCL btw ? | 02:42 |
| pitti | sjoerd: I will implement this if the current packages are uploaded | 02:43 |
| pitti | sjoerd: I don't know | 02:43 |
| pitti | sjoerd: but that sounds sensible; I added it to my ~/.todo | 02:43 |
| sjoerd | See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=262678 for some more info about it | 02:44 |
| sjoerd | same goes for all other burning programs ofcourse | 02:48 |
| pitti | sjoerd: like these dvd+rw-utils? | 02:48 |
| sjoerd | pitti: if that's the same as dvd+rw-tools in debian | 02:50 |
| sjoerd | and libburn and cdrdao | 02:51 |
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| pitti | sjoerd: thanks for pointing me to that; we don't have this patch | 02:56 |
| === thom sobs at firefox some more | ||
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| daniels | thom: what's it done now? | 03:32 |
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| Kamion | lamont: can you remind me how the buildds manage to install linux-image-* in a chroot? | 03:35 |
| Kamion | elmo_: or if you know, for that matter ... | 03:36 |
| T-Bone | lamont: ping, btw | 03:40 |
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| thom | i can see why mark likes mozilla so much. it's the ultimate "ooh shiny" development menthodology | 04:12 |
| thom | methodology, even | 04:12 |
| thom | "hey, corba in javascript sounds cool!" | 04:13 |
| ross | with XML and RDF! | 04:16 |
| ross | and and and | 04:16 |
| ross | things! | 04:16 |
| thom | and C++! | 04:16 |
| thom | gar | 04:16 |
| thom | oh well, i shall hack on php for a bit to save my poor brain | 04:17 |
| daniels | thom: C++ is love, kiddo :) | 04:28 |
| daniels | (C# more so, however) | 04:28 |
| ross | sjoerd: thanks for the patch :) | 04:29 |
| ross | sjoerd: have the cd-drive patches been applied to n-c-b already? | 04:30 |
| ross | i can't believe i left HAL_CFLAGS out | 04:30 |
| sjoerd | sjoerd: no idea | 04:30 |
| sjoerd | ross: no idea | 04:30 |
| sjoerd | beh | 04:31 |
| ross | k | 04:31 |
| Kamion | Subject: Processed: only in Keny^Wwoody | 04:36 |
| Kamion | haha | 04:36 |
| lamont | Kamion: on the buildd's, I do this: | 04:44 |
| lamont | echo do_initrd = Yes > ${chroot}/etc/kernel-img.conf | 04:44 |
| lamont | install -m644 /etc/fstab ${chroot}/etc/fstab | 04:44 |
| lamont | although (technically) you just need the root filesystem'sentry in /etc/fstab in the chroot. | 04:44 |
| Kamion | heh, ok, thanks | 04:44 |
| Kamion | as it turned out I got bored and nobbled the postinst :) | 04:44 |
| Kamion | but I'll know for next time | 04:44 |
| lamont | OTOH, it would be much better if the postinst actually noticed that it was in a chroot, and just dealt with it. | 04:45 |
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| Kamion | lamont: aye | 04:48 |
| === lamont isn't sure if a process _can_ tell that it's in a chroot, though. | ||
| T-Bone | ladude! | 04:49 |
| lamont | t-dude | 04:49 |
| lamont | T-Bone: let me guess: "So how do I make that thar archive thang?" | 04:50 |
| T-Bone | lamont: lol, roughly | 04:50 |
| lamont | man dpkg-scanpackages :-) | 04:51 |
| T-Bone | hmm, isn't apt-ftparchive easier to use? | 04:51 |
| lamont | truthfully, put all the _ia64.deb's and _all.debs (harvested from an i386 warty box, or the mirror of your choice) into one directory, and run your archive creator of choice. | 04:51 |
| lamont | yeah, whatever. :-) | 04:52 |
| T-Bone | lamont: thx to you, i _have_ a local mirror ;) | 04:52 |
| lamont | then comes the tricky part... | 04:52 |
| lamont | ah, yes. well. | 04:52 |
| lamont | once you have that repository built, then you have to: | 04:53 |
| lamont | A) decide if you think you can debootstrap from it or not. | 04:53 |
| T-Bone | lamont: bad news: perl won't build | 04:53 |
| lamont | assume "not" | 04:53 |
| lamont | that would be a definite "not". :-) | 04:54 |
| T-Bone | lol | 04:54 |
| T-Bone | make[1] : *** [lib/Config.pm] Segmentation fault | 04:54 |
| === lamont forgets what we did to fix that when it died elsewhen. burn that bridge when we drive off of it. | ||
| lamont | so. Add your freshly created ia64 (incomplete) repository to sources.list in the chroot, _BEFORE_ snapshot.d.n | 04:55 |
| lamont | apt-get clean | 04:55 |
| lamont | apt-get update | 04:55 |
| lamont | apt-get -udy dist-upgrade, see how ugly it looks, then probably really upgrade. | 04:55 |
| lamont | repeat all those steps iteratively until such time as you have a debootstrappable repository. | 04:56 |
| lamont | (from apt-ftparchive through dist-upgrade/sbuild) | 04:56 |
| lamont | the sbuild happens after the dist-upgrade, but before the "repeat" :-) | 04:56 |
| T-Bone | lol | 04:56 |
| T-Bone | looks like it's not gonna be a "one shot" | 04:57 |
| Kamion | iva | 04:58 |
| Kamion | oops | 04:58 |
| Kamion | focus-follows-touchpad. boo. | 04:58 |
| === lamont hands Kamion a metacity-focus-beating stick | ||
| Kamion | lamont: fluxbox, as it happens, and this is *normally* the behaviour I want ... | 04:58 |
| thom | daniels: nothing about C++ is love | 04:59 |
| T-Bone | lamont: assuming glibc builds cleanly this time, we only have perl left, and we hope that rebuilding it from an almost ubuntu chroot will make it build, right? | 04:59 |
| lamont | right. | 04:59 |
| lamont | at this point, the only things we worry about rebuilding are things we need to debootstrap | 04:59 |
| Kamion | lamont: the kernel clobbers /proc/$$/root when viewed from inside the chroot, so there are at least some attempts to make it hard to tell | 04:59 |
| daniels | thom: eh, there are a lot of things to like. classes, inheritance, all the good stuff. | 04:59 |
| lamont | then we (1) save this chroot, because we'll need it later, and (2) create a fresh new warty chroot, throw everything away, and let the building begin. | 05:00 |
| T-Bone | lamont: ok. Then afterwards we'll get into the "real" step2, where we'll debootstrap from this archive a new ubuntu ia64 chroot under which we'll rebuild main one more time, correct? | 05:00 |
| lamont | of course, at any point that you have enough to play with a CD set, you can start playing with that... | 05:00 |
| lamont | Kamion: yeah | 05:00 |
| lamont | it's supposed to not be easy. | 05:00 |
| T-Bone | lamont: right, CD set is the top item on my todo list | 05:00 |
| lamont | Then again, if you're on ext[23] and / isn't inode 2, you're in a chroot..:-) | 05:01 |
| Kamion | heh | 05:01 |
| lamont | Kamion: but if it _is_ to, then you may or may not be in a chroot. | 05:01 |
| T-Bone | lamont: actually, i don't want to rebuild everything then in the "stage1-2" phase, i'm only trying to rebuild perl, right? | 05:01 |
| lamont | in our bastardized half-breed chroot, we just want to build enough to create our new chroot. | 05:02 |
| lamont | and additional gravy as desired. | 05:02 |
| lamont | that is, we'll eventually want a fully-built warty tree, built on the bits we built in stage 1 | 05:03 |
| lamont | but for working on the CD's, you really only care that you have bits. | 05:03 |
| T-Bone | ok. So i can save time in sbuilding only what's needed to debootstrap, during the bastardized stage | 05:03 |
| lamont | shlib deps and such may be issues, hence the stage 2 build. But I expect that you'll hit DI issues before you hit stage1 vs 2 issues | 05:04 |
| lamont | right. | 05:04 |
| T-Bone | okay | 05:04 |
| lamont | and then later (in full-blown stage2 timeframe), you'll discover circular build-deps that you need to bastardize back into existance because they didn't build in pure-stage 1 | 05:04 |
| lamont | hence we keep the bastard chroot | 05:04 |
| T-Bone | lol | 05:04 |
| lamont | the process is very much objective-focused.. :-) | 05:05 |
| lamont | step i) "do whatever it takes to" ... | 05:05 |
| lamont | for all values of i. | 05:05 |
| T-Bone | lol | 05:06 |
| T-Bone | and i thought that bootstraping an arch was something "clean" ;) | 05:06 |
| lamont | with a footnote to remember anytime you kludge something horribly, because it'll come back and bite you in your backside later when the buildd's start bootstrapping from your chroot... | 05:06 |
| T-Bone | come to think of it, i recall some dirtyness during the fist days of palinux ;)) | 05:06 |
| lamont | yeah | 05:06 |
| lamont | it's never pretty at the start... | 05:07 |
| T-Bone | even more fun, we had to crosscompile | 05:07 |
| lamont | kinda like working with raw sewage, sometimes... | 05:07 |
| T-Bone | yeah ic ;) | 05:07 |
| lamont | elmo/elmo_: as a note... When we upstream-version-freeze, could we pretty please snag a consistant archive for all the architectures we _don't_ support, too? :-) | 05:07 |
| T-Bone | LOL! | 05:08 |
| lamont | or maybe one of the architecture boot-strap teams could help snapshot.d.n get good archive-by-date Packages files.. | 05:08 |
| lamont | T-Bone: I meant _upstream_ archive, not ours. | 05:08 |
| elmo_ | lamont: sure.. just remember to remind me ;) | 05:09 |
| lamont | 'l | 05:09 |
| lamont | 'k, even | 05:09 |
| lamont | t-bone: btw, my stage-1 build is up to gcc-3.3 finally | 05:10 |
| lamont | Kamion: I got it.... Do the chroot-escape hack, and if you wind up at the same place, then you're not in a chroot.. :-) | 05:12 |
| T-Bone | lamont: hehe, as a matter of fact, rx2600 is much faster than i2000 ;) hppa is building #633 | 05:13 |
| lamont | yeah | 05:13 |
| Kamion | lamont: :-) | 05:13 |
| lamont | T-Bone: once my wife's conference is over this weekend, then I'll worry a little bit about getting the zx2000 powered up somewhere useful. | 05:13 |
| Kamion | so, this hideous parted C/H/S bug is apparently fixed in parted 1.6.12 | 05:14 |
| T-Bone | lamont: hehe ;) | 05:14 |
| T-Bone | lamont: i'll setup apache so that you can access my archive anyway | 05:14 |
| daniels | Kamion: huzzah! | 05:14 |
| Kamion | I'm contemplating just upgrading us to that directly, because I really don't trust the Debian parted maintainers to have come up with a sane parted 1.6.11+patch-based package | 05:14 |
| Kamion | particularly because until I noticed it last night the relevant patch wasn't even being APPLIED, so it's clearly had no testing | 05:14 |
| daniels | is timshel still maintaining it? | 05:14 |
| Kamion | no, luther | 05:15 |
| daniels | oh god | 05:15 |
| lamont | T-Bone: I'll mail you my list of .changes: let me know if you want any .debs from the pile... | 05:15 |
| Kamion | does anyone here actually have a system which manifests the problem? | 05:15 |
| T-Bone | lamont: ok | 05:15 |
| Kamion | I don't, which makes it problematic | 05:15 |
| T-Bone | lamont: asa i'll have setup the repo, i'll mail you the url as well | 05:15 |
| lamont | sent | 05:16 |
| T-Bone | thx! | 05:16 |
| T-Bone | i'll send some feedback to u-devel about the progress we're making, too. | 05:17 |
| lamont | mdz: they closed the debian bug wrt SIGILL/powerpc (#1596 for us)... Can I close it here too? or do we want to actually look for the bug? | 05:18 |
| lamont | :-) | 05:18 |
| lamont | fabbione: _ANOTHER_ xfree86? sihg. | 05:21 |
| lamont | sigh,even. | 05:21 |
| lamont | Kamion: can you verify that 1711 is fixed by adding postfix reconfig back to base-config? | 05:22 |
| Kamion | lamont: give me a sec, I'll do a fresh install | 05:23 |
| lamont | Kamion: anytime in the next 10 hours or so would be wonderful... :) | 05:23 |
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| === lamont grumbles at the lack of myspell-en | ||
| === lamont kicks his local mirror | ||
| === lamont requests a sync of oo.o-debian-files | ||
| === T-Bone apt-get moo | ||
| lamont | T-Bone: still there, yep. | 05:39 |
| T-Bone | hehe ;) | 05:40 |
| Kamion | lamont: well. newaliases gets run, but the only entry in /etc/aliases is still postmaster: root | 05:47 |
| lamont | hrmpf. | 05:47 |
| lamont | Kamion: any chance you could mail or /msg me the output from debconf-show postfix? | 05:48 |
| === tseng pokes buildLogs | ||
| Kamion | lamont: I'll have to transcribe it, give me a second | 05:49 |
| Kamion | no network connectivity on that box | 05:49 |
| lamont | Kamion: what exactly is in base-config? dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical postfix? | 05:56 |
| Kamion | - exec dpkg-reconfigure --unseen-only --default-priority postfix | 05:57 |
| lamont | and after the user gets added, yes? | 05:57 |
| lamont | is there any way for postfix to know that debootstrap is why it | 05:57 |
| lamont | s being configured? | 05:57 |
| Kamion | well after the user gets added | 05:58 |
| Kamion | why does it need to know? | 05:58 |
| Kamion | I don't understand why these problems exist | 05:58 |
| Kamion | I also don't understand why you think dpkg-reconfigure might help given that everything of any interest in postfix.postinst is guarded by != "No configuration" | 05:58 |
| === lamont thinks that the question was "seen" during debootstrap - at least enough to set the default... | ||
| lamont | postfix's config/postinst is being too smart for itself, I fear. | 05:59 |
| === lamont will ponder. | ||
| Kamion | I still don't understand; when I took that question out, it was partly because I looked through postfix.postinst and concluded that reconfiguring it was an absolute no-op | 06:00 |
| Kamion | questions in debootstrap rarely get the seen flag set, but they may get their value set | 06:00 |
| lamont | it may be... But I think it shouldn't be a no-op. :-( | 06:00 |
| Kamion | the former is a bug currently assigned to me | 06:00 |
| Kamion | lamont: I can do another install and get you debconf-show before the reconfiguration, if you like | 06:01 |
| lamont | that would be great | 06:02 |
| lamont | and then I shall ponder. :-( | 06:02 |
| lamont | but in the meantime, I'm going to wander off to the shower for a bit | 06:02 |
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| T-Bone | ouch | 06:31 |
| T-Bone | happy netsplit | 06:33 |
| Kamion | only two of you | 06:35 |
| npmccallum | fabbione: ping | 06:39 |
| T-Bone | lamont: would it be normal that i don't get any input in glibc's build log for 25 minutes? | 06:42 |
| daniels | is hoary open for uploads? | 06:45 |
| elmo_ | t-bone: in the test suite, it's possible yes | 06:46 |
| elmo_ | daniels: no | 06:46 |
| daniels | elmo_: 'kay | 06:46 |
| T-Bone | elmo_: ok, it's actually in the test suite | 06:46 |
| elmo_ | hoary doesn't really exist in katie, if you try, you'll probably make her cry | 06:46 |
| fabbione | npmccallum: pong | 06:46 |
| daniels | elmo_: er, stress-testing crucial infrastructure? | 06:48 |
| elmo_ | daniels: ? | 06:48 |
| npmccallum | fabbione: can you take a look at bug #1753? I'm not that familiar with Xcursors | 06:49 |
| daniels | elmo_: by uploading stuff targetted at hoary | 06:49 |
| daniels | npmccallum: is it about a solid black X staying on screen? | 06:49 |
| npmccallum | daniels: no | 06:49 |
| daniels | oh | 06:49 |
| elmo_ | daniels: no, it's just half-configured I mean | 06:50 |
| daniels | npmccallum: that's just a case of bad theming, though | 06:50 |
| fabbione | npmccallum: no idea what it can be, but i am sure it's not an X bug | 06:50 |
| daniels | npmccallum: there's nothing actually wrong, it's just that someone needs to draw a better cursor | 06:51 |
| daniels | fabbione: it's the cursor being inconsistent in the actual theme, not our bug | 06:51 |
| npmccallum | fabbione: I'm pretty sure that that X cursor theme comes packaged with X, no? | 06:51 |
| fabbione | npmccallum: no | 06:51 |
| daniels | npmccallum: ehm, I think in this case, no | 06:51 |
| daniels | the jimmac cursors are provided by gnome iirc | 06:51 |
| npmccallum | what format are the cursors in? | 06:52 |
| daniels | erm | 06:52 |
| daniels | probably xpm or some obscure crap | 06:52 |
| daniels | they're generated from png iirc | 06:52 |
| T-Bone | elmo_: Is the box being idle, and ps show "ld-linux-ia64.so.2 --library" for the same amount of time to be also considered as "normal"? | 06:53 |
| T-Bone | +ing | 06:53 |
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| T-Bone | lamont: i'll need your glibc deb. My build is stuck for good | 07:09 |
| npmccallum | daniels: man xcursor | 07:13 |
| npmccallum | daniels: x cursors are their own format, no mention of how to convert them | 07:13 |
| daniels | npmccallum: xcursorgen | 07:16 |
| npmccallum | daniels: is it in the archive? | 07:17 |
| daniels | should be, yah | 07:17 |
| npmccallum | daniels: nevermind :) | 07:17 |
| npmccallum | daniels: its installed with X I believe | 07:18 |
| daniels | probably, yeah | 07:18 |
| daniels | just like half of the rest of the archive | 07:18 |
| daniels | any linux distribution is comprised of stuff installed from x, ooo's i18n, and miscellany | 07:18 |
| npmccallum | lol | 07:19 |
| npmccallum | daniels: what does cursor size mean? number of pixels? | 07:23 |
| daniels | yep | 07:23 |
| daniels | 32x32, 64x624, et al | 07:24 |
| mdz | lamont: that's the powerpc-random-segfault thing? | 07:24 |
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| lamont | mdz: yeah | 07:24 |
| lamont | s/segfault/SIGILL/ | 07:24 |
| lamont | mozilla made it through on try #3. :-( | 07:25 |
| mdz | lamont: that one seems like it is, er, still open | 07:25 |
| mdz | considering it makes our powerpc builds fail? | 07:25 |
| lamont | mdz: yeah. it's still a bug. | 07:25 |
| lamont | although we have a workaround. :-) | 07:26 |
| pitti | Hi mdz! | 07:26 |
| mdz | lamont: the work around being...you? :-) | 07:26 |
| mdz | pitti: morning | 07:26 |
| lamont | mdz: nah - the autodepwaiter just retries anything that was 'terminated by signal 4'. :-( | 07:27 |
| lamont | although that didn't seem to be working with mozilla... | 07:27 |
| === lamont has no ppc box to test/debug it on, however. | ||
| pitti | mdz: if you have a minute, can you please take a look at #1864? | 07:28 |
| mdz | lamont: I've never seen it on the G4 | 07:28 |
| mdz | lamont: maybe it's a G5 thing...I think justdave has one | 07:28 |
| === Kamion has never seen it either, but voltaire suffers from it and it isn't a G5 | ||
| thom | mdz: can i upload firefox (#1790) ? | 07:31 |
| mdz | thom: isn't "move to dpatch" just a tiny bit intrusive to change the user-agent string? :-) | 07:31 |
| mdz | or is dpatch only used for that one patch? | 07:32 |
| daniels | heh | 07:32 |
| === Kamion ponders releasing sounder 9 before or after parted fix, concludes after might be better ... | ||
| mdz | anyone here have an i386 system with >=2GB of RAM? | 07:35 |
| thom | mdz: no, it stops me having to juggle about 8 patches to the default firefox, plus our branding. it's a huge time saver, and much *less* intrusive than, say, moving it to DBS | 07:35 |
| thom | ;-) | 07:35 |
| thom | 1GB is the most i have | 07:36 |
| Kamion | would amd64 do? I have == 2GB there | 07:37 |
| Kamion | hm, no, I don't, only 1GB | 07:38 |
| daniels | thom: nah man, DBS is love | 07:38 |
| thom | *g* | 07:38 |
| === azeem thought quilt was pretty nice, when I was forced to use it | ||
| daniels | thom: anything you're after a co-maintainer for? :) | 07:38 |
| mdz | thom: if you've rediffed it and checked that no regressions were introduced by the dpatch conversion, it's ok by me | 07:39 |
| thom | daniels: sure, but nothing i'm letting you choose the packaging system for | 07:39 |
| thom | mdz: yeah, i have | 07:39 |
| thom | several times | 07:39 |
| daniels | thom: heh | 07:39 |
| thom | actually, i'll leave it till tomorrow to upload, since i'm just about to install a new mobo | 07:40 |
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| npmccallum | daniels: Is the cursor mentioned in that bug hardwired to X? I can't seem to change it | 07:43 |
| mdz | npmccallum: you have an i386 box with >=2GB RAM, right? | 07:46 |
| daniels | npmccallum: not at all | 07:48 |
| npmccallum | mdz: no, >=1GB ram | 07:50 |
| npmccallum | daniels: do you know which image actually changes that cursor? I assumed "cross", but nothing happens when I add it and restart... | 07:50 |
| daniels | npmccallum: ehm, not really sure off the top of my head, sorry | 07:51 |
| npmccallum | daniels: none of the themes actually change that cursor | 07:51 |
| daniels | it looks non-core to me | 07:52 |
| npmccallum | it certainly does... | 07:52 |
| sladen | npmccallum/daniels: is the plan to replace the default X cursor with a completely transparent one? | 07:56 |
| daniels | ... *completely*? | 07:56 |
| daniels | as in, invisibl | 07:56 |
| daniels | e | 07:57 |
| npmccallum | sladen: actually we are just going to remove mouse support from X :) | 07:59 |
| sladen | daniels: yeah, without reading the scrollback, I wondered if it might be a kludgy solution for cards where the hardware cursor isn't being used, but the default cursor is still loaded and left bang in the centre of the screen | 07:59 |
| npmccallum | sladen: see bug #1753 | 07:59 |
| daniels | sladen: ow, dude, my head | 07:59 |
| daniels | core cursors don't have an alpha channel, anyway | 07:59 |
| daniels | (iirc) | 07:59 |
| sladen | daniels: presumbly their two-bit. One black/white map; and one transparent/opaque map ? | 08:01 |
| daniels | i can't remember | 08:01 |
| daniels | . | 08:01 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: can you try backing out to an older/simpler kernel or anything, regarding that futex bug? | 08:04 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: none of the userland programs involved have changed in several weeks | 08:04 |
| elmo_ | we're still shipping wth 2.6.9 right? | 08:05 |
| elmo_ | err 2.6.8 | 08:05 |
| daniels | elmo_: 2.6.8.1 | 08:06 |
| elmo_ | right | 08:06 |
| elmo_ | why does our apt-listchanges read changelogs if it's not going to bother displaying any of them? | 08:10 |
| elmo_ | or does "Reading changelogs" actually mean "Reading changelogs and news" ? | 08:10 |
| mdz | elmo_: the latter | 08:11 |
| pitti | mdz: re 1864: yes, this libsg is just a subdirectory of cdrecord, it's not actually a shared lib. I will upload this thing, thanks for approving it | 08:12 |
| daniels | pitti: what are you doing to libscg? | 08:13 |
| pitti | daniels: #1864 | 08:13 |
| pitti | daniels: I added a patch which opens the burning devices exclusively | 08:13 |
| daniels | hm | 08:13 |
| pitti | daniels: this avoids interference with hal | 08:13 |
| daniels | be very, very careful wrt licence | 08:13 |
| pitti | daniels: oh? it should be DFSG, not? | 08:14 |
| daniels | half of libscg is 'you may not breathe on this without adding "schily is god, all hail schily" prominently' all through it | 08:14 |
| daniels | pittish | 08:14 |
| mdz | pitti: by the way, if you want to operate on a Debian bug in bugzilla, just tell me and I can import the bug itself with all comments | 08:14 |
| pitti | daniels: wasn't xfree 3.5 rejected because of this particular reason? | 08:14 |
| daniels | pitti: libscg requires you to change version on modification | 08:15 |
| pitti | mdz: ah, I forgot that again. Next time :-) | 08:15 |
| mdz | daniels: didn't you close that bug saying that our version was old enough that it didn't have the evil problems? | 08:15 |
| daniels | pitti: xfree86 4.4 was rejected because you were required to do advertising in documentation | 08:15 |
| pitti | daniels: okay, then I will add an ubuntu branding. mdz, is that okay for you? (trivial patch) | 08:15 |
| daniels | mdz: there's a difference between utter crap and non-dfsg-free | 08:15 |
| daniels | pitti: do you want to let me handle this in the morning? | 08:15 |
| === lamont goes off to ponder postfix, and maybe get girls from school in a couple hours and such. | ||
| daniels | mdz: since 2.0, libscg has required you to change versions if you change certain parts of it | 08:16 |
| mdz | daniels: what matters is whether or not it meets the Ubuntu guidelines; does it? | 08:16 |
| === lamont will also ponder breakfast | ||
| daniels | mdz: very recently, it was changed to actually violate the licence quite blatant | 08:16 |
| daniels | ly | 08:16 |
| daniels | we're unaffected by the latter | 08:16 |
| daniels | mdz: yes, but it's still obnoxiously crap | 08:16 |
| pitti | daniels: if you mean that you want to change the version string, for my sake yes | 08:16 |
| daniels | it meets the dfsg, dude | 08:16 |
| daniels | pitti: i'd just be a little more comfortable if I handled it | 08:17 |
| mdz | pitti: if you need to change the version string, that's fine | 08:17 |
| daniels | mdz: essentially, yes | 08:17 |
| pitti | daniels: okay, I send you my current interdiff, you mangle the version string and upload. Okay? | 08:18 |
| daniels | pitti: sure | 08:18 |
| pitti | daniels: I attach the interdiff with a comment to the bug and add you as CC | 08:19 |
| daniels | pitti: awesome, thanks | 08:20 |
| === pitti just finished installation of today's ppc daily | ||
| pitti | Guys, the current installation is AWESOME! | 08:25 |
| Kamion | kewl :-) | 08:26 |
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| pitti | Kamion: the therm_adt746x module is still not loaded automatically on ppc; I have to reopen #1606 :-( | 08:37 |
| Kamion | pitti: which image? | 08:37 |
| pitti | Kamion: today's daily | 08:38 |
| Kamion | pitti: please include a tarball of /proc/device-tree | 08:38 |
| pitti | Kamion: anything particularly wrong with that? | 08:38 |
| Kamion | shouldn't be | 08:38 |
| pitti | Kamion: I'll do | 08:38 |
| Kamion | so it's not in /etc/modules? | 08:38 |
| pitti | Kamion: no, not in /etc/modules and not loaded | 08:38 |
| Kamion | note that it won't be loaded in the installer environment, hope you weren't expecting that | 08:39 |
| pitti | Kamion: no, installation is finished, gnome runs | 08:39 |
| Kamion | ok | 08:39 |
| daniels | hooray -- we've actually been violating the cdrecord licence for a whlie | 08:57 |
| mdz | Kamion: what's the status of sounder 9? | 09:01 |
| daniels | pitti: ok, you've got an updated #20 dpatch back; my builds are being really weird for some reason | 09:04 |
| daniels | 0505 is bedtime, however | 09:04 |
| elmo_ | Setting up gnome-panel-data (2.8.0-0ubuntu5) ... | 09:05 |
| elmo_ | We're a laptop | 09:05 |
| elmo_ | laptop configuration | 09:05 |
| elmo_ | is that considered a featuree? | 09:05 |
| mdz | apparently so | 09:05 |
| mdz | there's an explicit echo in postinst; presumably for debugging | 09:06 |
| elmo_ | k | 09:07 |
| T-Bone | gack, perl is still failing :P | 09:09 |
| Kamion | mdz: if you don't want me to put the parted fix into it (I had been thinking about doing that to force wider testing), it can go out as soon as I test all three arches | 09:10 |
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| mdz | Kamion: hmm, sounds risky for a milestone release at the last minute | 09:14 |
| mdz | Kamion: maybe push out sounder 9, and then drop new parted onto the daily CDs? | 09:14 |
| Kamion | well, I wonder how much point there is doing sounder 9 if we really want people to use the dailies | 09:15 |
| Kamion | I've got a Windows XP CD now and am installing using it to see if I can reproduce the problem myself | 09:15 |
| Kamion | (current amd64 works, BTW) | 09:16 |
| T-Bone | looks like there's a circular dep in gcc-3.3 ubuntu: | 09:18 |
| T-Bone | gcc-3.3: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:3.3.4-3) but 1:3.3.4-2 is to be installed | 09:19 |
| mdz | Kamion: we need to have a "last known good" thing to point people to for the download link on the websit | 09:19 |
| mdz | Kamion: so that they don't download a broken CD | 09:19 |
| Kamion | T-Bone: libgcc1 comes from gcc-3.4 | 09:19 |
| T-Bone | according to the .dsc, the package gcc-3.3 provides libgcc1 | 09:20 |
| Kamion | $ madison -s warty -S gcc-3.4 | 09:20 |
| Kamion | ... | 09:20 |
| Kamion | libgcc1 | 1:3.4.2-2ubuntu1 | warty | amd64, i386, powerpc | 09:20 |
| T-Bone | Kamion: nope, see http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gcc-3.3/gcc-3.3_3.3.4-9ubuntu5.dsc | 09:20 |
| Kamion | the .dsc is not always reliable for such things | 09:20 |
| T-Bone | hmm | 09:20 |
| T-Bone | so gcc-3.3 is borked ? | 09:20 |
| Kamion | not really | 09:20 |
| Kamion | the newest binary is taken | 09:20 |
| Kamion | build gcc-3.4 | 09:20 |
| T-Bone | how am i supposed to install gcc-3.3 then? | 09:21 |
| Kamion | by building gcc-3.4? | 09:21 |
| T-Bone | btw, i got this while trying apt-get install build-essential | 09:21 |
| Kamion | this sort of thing happens during bootstrapping :) | 09:21 |
| T-Bone | yeah | 09:21 |
| T-Bone | gonna have to bastardize my chroot a bit more :P | 09:21 |
| T-Bone | shit i fucked up my chroot | 09:26 |
| T-Bone | Checking correctness of source dependencies... | 09:47 |
| T-Bone | After installing, the following source dependencies are still unsatisfied: | 09:47 |
| T-Bone | libgtk2.0-dev(inst 2.4.3-1 ! >= wanted 2.4.4-2) | 09:47 |
| T-Bone | Kamion: that's why i couldn't build it the first time alas | 09:48 |
| === T-Bone finds a workaround | ||
| pitti | Since very recently ago, I repeatedly see messages like "tar: Read 2560 bytes from -"; does anybody else have this problem? | 09:57 |
| T-Bone | awesome | 10:06 |
| T-Bone | i can't build gcc-3.4. It build depends on gcc-3.3 ubuntu which i can't install for the above mentionned reason | 10:06 |
| T-Bone | i'm looking for some help there... | 10:07 |
| pitti | sjoerd: I'm just uploading a new cdrecord with O_EXCL. Thanks for the hint! | 10:11 |
| mdz | pitti: yes; seems fairly harmless | 10:11 |
| pitti | mdz: the tar message? | 10:12 |
| mdz | pitti: yes | 10:12 |
| mdz | I've seen them for some time, in Debian as well | 10:13 |
| sjoerd | pitti: nice | 10:13 |
| mdz | pitti: ask bdale | 10:13 |
| pitti | sjoerd: I will send the patch to the Debian BTS | 10:13 |
| mdz | pitti: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=264050 | 10:13 |
| sjoerd | pitti: :) | 10:13 |
| pitti | mdz: thanks | 10:13 |
| Kamion | ew! WinXP's installer has a bloody Clippy-a-like! | 10:19 |
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| Keybuk | MS Bob ... the software that just won't die | 10:31 |
| Keybuk | http://toastytech.com/guis/bobwriter.gif | 10:34 |
| T-Bone | can somebody please educate me about how to override builddeps with sbuild? I have tried various combinations of -f and -b and can't find the solution :P | 10:38 |
| T-Bone | s/-b/-a/ | 10:39 |
| mdz | Kamion: do you have a sounder 9 candidate for me to download and test? | 10:51 |
| mdz | T-Bone: sounsd like you need lamont | 10:52 |
| mdz | he should be around | 10:52 |
| T-Bone | mdz: yeah, unfortunately he's very busy atm | 10:52 |
| T-Bone | i'm stuck with that gcc-shit before being able to go over stage 2 (building warty against warty binaries) | 10:53 |
| seb128 | jdub: just checking, but that's still ok for GNOME point releases (epi 1.4.1 and evo/eds/... 2.0.1) ? | 11:53 |
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