vrlnis usplash (the hacked fbsplash thing) going to be in warty?12:00
Mithrandir|trey|: hoary opening up should just be a few weeks away, be patient. :)12:00
Mithrandirvrln: no12:00
|trey|mdz: I expected them with older version #'s  :/12:00
mdzvrln: no, that's why it's on the hoary feature goal list :-)12:00
mdzeven when hoary opens, those features won't magically appear12:00
mdzwe need to develop them12:00
phin|worki need a nice voltron background for my laptop12:00
phin|worksince thats its name :)12:00
|trey|Mithrandir: patients is not one of my strong suites  ;)12:00
Mithrandirmdz: true, but then one can experience a bumpy ride, at least. :)12:01
mdzthose things are months away12:01
|trey|Mithrandir: as soon as Xorg is available though, many many Debian users will prolly jump on board  :)12:01
|trey|That was one thing I kinda expected  :(12:01
|trey|mdz: I know... I respect that... sorry, I'm being annoying  :(12:02
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|trey|mdz: :)12:03
|trey|sup @     *12:06
|trey|      MarkShuttleworth: I really don't think we should be promising anybody that, ok Jdub?  ?  d-i can fairly easily be configured for a GTK frontend, and Anaconda has been ported to Debian via Progeny12:06
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|trey|ahh... sorry about the semi-flood, didn't realize that would happen  :/12:06
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|trey|How technical is Mark Shuttleworth? afaict he just has a lot of money?  :/12:07
defendguini wonder if i can get accelleration of my neomaigic video card :-|12:08
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|trey|defendguin: never heard of it, so prolly not  :(12:08
vrlnafter warty is released and the hoary development branch is opened, will the dev branch have security support?12:08
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defendguin|trey|, its a very old card 12:08
stratkinganyone have any problems w/ orinoco pcmcia cards?12:09
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Mithrandir|trey|: he knows his ropes.12:09
|trey|vrln: unlikely... security stuff is usually just code from a new release backported to old releases...12:09
stratkingthe modules don't seem to be loaded and the card isn't being recognized12:09
|trey|Mithrandir: k... so whats up with his comment there? surely he knows its highly possible either way?12:09
dropsteranyone for noob question ??12:09
defendguinevery reference i can find to it on the web is quite old12:09
|trey|dropster: just ask  :/12:09
Mithrandir|trey|: Mark is technically competent.12:10
dropsterive just installed ubuntu amd64, but gcc doesnt seem to work(translate probably im stupid)12:10
Kamion|trey|: Mark has a point there; both d-i GTK and Anaconda are non-trivial to make work12:11
|trey|Mithrandir: afaik, there is a GTK frontend that has been functioning for a number of months... (I tried it... at an earlier release, and it seemed to work)12:11
Mithrandirdropster: apt-get install build-essential12:11
dropsterso it doesnt have gcc installes as default ??12:11
Mithrandir|trey|: it's a much harder problem than you think.12:11
Kamion|trey|: when you say "d-i can fairly easily be configured for a GTK frontend", I can guess that, unlike me, you haven't been at a d-i developers meeting for the last half a week spending a great deal of effort trying to *make* it work ;)12:11
Mithrandirdropster: correct.12:11
|trey|Kamion: Anaconda is what Progeny uses to install its system...12:11
Kamion|trey|: it's quite a long way from even building at this point12:11
vrln|trey|: yeah that's what I think too, my quess is that it'll be more like Sid (no support, but since packages are propably moving quite quickly it won't be that bad)12:11
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Mithrandir|trey|: it's possible to get it working, but it has a bunch of interesting issues.12:12
Kamion|trey|: do Progeny support all our architectures?12:12
Kamionporting an installer to a different architecture is non-trivial12:12
MithrandirKamion: d-i isn't too bad, though.12:12
axe9dotcomThat fixed it ^^12:12
|trey|Kamion: sorry... like I said, I used one that did work though... although it was slightly ugly  :/12:12
MithrandirKamion: since it's a zillion small pieces.12:12
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Kamionalso, AIUI Anaconda is pretty hacked-up for Debian12:12
KamionMithrandir: right12:12
|trey|Kamion: afaik, yes12:12
axe9dotcomMight wanna post that on the bugzilla12:12
Kamiond-i is not that hard to port, but it was designed for portability from the ground up12:12
|trey|Kamion: granted, it is... but it works...12:12
manouhi q3balex 12:13
Kamion|trey|: you might have had a one-off specially-hacked demo from ages back12:13
q3balexhi hi12:13
vrlnI don't think there's anything wrong with d-i, why spend time fixing something that isn't broke12:13
phin|workare there any other display managers, other then xdm, gdm and kdm?12:13
Kamion|trey|: I'm quite certain that it hasn't worked at all properly in the d-i mainline for something like a year12:13
Kamionvrln: we don't plan to. :)12:13
phin|workim thinking i want something thats lighter12:13
phin|workmaybe python based or something.12:13
|trey|Kamion: I don't even have it anymore... afaik it was designed to allow for such things though, and like I said, it installed everything just fine... GTK widgets... but just a lot of blue everywhere...12:14
Kamion|trey|: it was indeed designed for it, but there's a long way to go12:14
|trey|Kamion: it might have been that long ago... also note, I am using X86, the easiest arch to get things working on it would seem...12:14
Kamionanyhow, with any luck I can get a basic demo running within a few weeks, once I get round the hideous library reduction issues12:14
Kamion|trey|: it hasn't worked on any architecture for some time12:14
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Kamion|trey|: I'm developing on powerpc, but most of the issues are architecture-independent12:15
|trey|Kamion: ok... when you get it working... you got tester #2 here  :)12:15
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Kamion|trey|: in any case, Mark is thinking about something good enough for production, not a hacked-up demo. :)12:16
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MithrandirKamion: that's the scary part of it. :)12:16
Kamionthe code has to happen at some point, so the sooner the better12:16
|trey|Kamion: I suppose... I am used to Experimental + Sid... I am used to things breaking/not working 100% as they should...12:17
|trey|Never really considered a business around Linux... been using it since before corporations got a hold of it  :(12:17
Kamioncdebconf-gtk mostly just segfaulted when I started to look at it a few days ago ;)12:18
KosaiKamion: Ooh, which reminds me; any idea which d-i variant would be best for an alpha install?12:18
|trey|Kosai: prolly the netinst alpha port on d-i's site...12:19
|trey|Kosai: prolly not something Ubuntu will be looking at right now  :)12:19
Kosai|trey|: Sounds good to me.  Thanks.12:19
KosaiRight, I'm aware there's no ubuntu alpha port.  I'd be using it if there was.  :)12:19
vrlnubuntu devels: can you confirm/deny if development branches are going to be security supported (like in slackware for example)? It would be a great alternative to running debian sid or gentoo for those who don't mind risking stability :)12:19
|trey|Kosai: ;)12:20
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KamionKosai: right now probably daily build12:20
|trey|vrln: like I said, development branches get the security fixes IN THE PACKAGES12:20
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KosaiKamion: Oh, sid rather than sarge?  Okay.12:21
|trey|Kosai: Sid rocks... install apt-listbugs though asap  :)12:21
KamionKosai: RC1 might work as long as you use netinst rather than businesscard12:21
KamionKosai: that's sarge12:21
KosaiOh!  Right.12:22
KamionRC1 businesscard is either broken already due to archive drift or will be broken RSN12:22
|trey|Kamion: thats what I have burnt here... cept for x86... works like a charm... apparently d-i is kinda a mess since then though  :/12:22
Kamion|trey|: there's been quite a lot of partman churn, but it's settling down for release now12:22
vrln|trey|: yes I understand that, but for example if there is a new exploit in libpng for example and there would be a new release that fixes the exploits, would it be uploaded to warty and the development branch with the same speed priority12:22
Mithrandirmdz: perhaps you can answer vrln's question about security?12:22
vrlnor will development branch security be mostly unsupported like in sid atm (luckily package versions move quickly so it doesn't really matter that much)12:23
mdzvrln: when it comes to security, the stable release will have top priority12:23
mdzbut we will also generally fix the bug in the development branch12:24
vrlnok, thank you, sounds good enough :)12:24
|trey|vrln: afa Debian is concerned the security and devel stuff are usually uploaded almost simultaniously  :/12:24
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jimmy_deanis there a way that I can get the ubuntu installation to load on an older computer that doesn't support booting from a CDROM?12:25
|trey|incoming is usually more delayed on stable though  :/12:25
mdz|trey|: in Debian, unstable receives no central attention for security.  if the maintainer acts quickly, it is fixed quickly, and if they do not, it can languish for a year12:25
|trey|mdz: the packages already contain the fix's  :/12:26
mdzsometimes unstable is fixed first, and sometimes stable is fixed first, but rarely are they in sync with respect to a vulnerability12:26
|trey|mdz: true... ime... sid was usually less vulnerable though  *shrug*12:27
mdzjimmy_dean: you might be able to create a GRUB floppy and use that to boot from CD12:27
jimmy_deanmdz: ok...so I actually already have one...any idea how I do that then?12:27
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mdzjimmy_dean: I believe that recent versions of grub let you say "boot (cd)"12:28
jimmy_deanmdz: ok, nice12:28
axe9dotcomWhat's a good linux distro for OLD machines.. like ones with 16MBs RAM?12:28
|trey|axe9dotcom: any, just don't plan on utilizing X  :/12:28
mdzjimmy_dean: I'm very interested to hear if it works; I've never tried it12:29
jimmy_deanmdz: ok...not only is this an old computer...but an old laptop :)12:29
jimmy_deanit'll be really interesting if it works at all12:29
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|trey|axe9dotcom: you've got to be kidding?12:33
|trey|axe9dotcom: the GUI Linux uses  :/12:33
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KosaiWell, there's QNX and Photon and that sort of thing.  Even has a web browser, IIRC.12:36
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axe9dotcom told you, I'm a total newbie when it comes to linux12:37
axe9dotcomI got distracted again >_>12:38
eddmdz: do you still have a livecd .iso avail? doesn't matter if it's old...12:39
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MoisesChi there12:43
WWaxe9dotcom: A few small distros: http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ , http://featherlinux.berlios.de/ , http://tiny.seul.org/12:45
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ElRatonhow can i install audio and video various codecs fast please ?12:46
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mdzedd: yes, http://people.no-name-yet.com/~mdz/warty-live/12:52
eddthanks mdz. i found from m/list searching. sorry to bother you.12:53
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LinuxJonesElRaton, >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions you need the win32-codecs package12:58
ElRatonLinuxJones, thx01:00
diemanon /. again01:00
ElRatontotem-xine is not available!01:01
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diemanSep 27 18:03:57 domitian.cs.umn.edu thttpd[19673] : [ID 333422 daemon.info]    thttpd - 272 connections (0.0755556/sec), 77 max simultaneous, 762755637 bytes (211877/sec), 205 httpd_conns allocated01:04
diemanthats not too bad01:05
diemansee how long until it pops01:05
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LinuxJonesElRaton, totem-xine is available 01:09
zackclee: ubuntu review hit slashdot... i just had to reply to this comment: http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=123410&cid=1036759901:09
minghuai don't like that review01:10
LinuxJonesOSnews has a review up as well >> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8407&page=101:10
minghuait seems all screenshots are from vmware and look ugly01:10
zackme either... looked like it took 5 minutes01:10
minghuaand it seems the author didn't even find synaptic01:11
zacksynaptic is mentioned01:11
jimmy_deanmdz: negatory on the grub and loading the install CD...I think it's possible but this old laptop is just useless01:11
mdzjimmy_dean: what options does it have for booting? floppy? usb?01:12
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jimmy_deanmdz: it was hard to tell from the command line...basically it needs to detect the device and then you can specify something like /dev/blah01:13
eddi love these reviews. they're always for exactly one (often weird) hardware combo01:13
zackit's pretty rare to see reviewers actually install on >1 machine :\01:14
minghuazack: ok I see the synaptic paragraph, but why does the author still complain that new users unfamiliar with APT won't install software easily?  they don't need to know what APT is at all01:14
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mdzjimmy_dean: you should be able to press 'c' to get a command line (if it's at the menu) and then "boot (cd)" at the grub> prompt01:15
jimmy_deanmdz: really, hmm01:15
edd[[ Michael Salivar is a 22 year old student of Earth from Arizona with images of carbon fiber laptops dancing in his head. He is a recovering Linux newbie of two years who has forsaken life's complexities in favor of our planet's beauty. ] ] 01:15
mdzjimmy_dean: if that doesn't work, does the machine have USB, or a floppy drive, or anything else that might be useful to boot it?01:15
jimmy_deanmdz: this is a really old machine...no USB01:16
jimmy_deanmdz: I literally type "boot (cd)" ?01:16
mdzjimmy_dean: correct01:16
zackminghua: don't know. i don't really use synaptic anyway... i've had bad luck.01:16
mdz(cd) is a grub device specification01:16
jimmy_deanok, cool01:16
minghuazack: i don't use synaptic either. :)01:17
mdzminghua: synaptic is great, but the UI is complex for simple tasks like installing a package, if you're not familiar with packaging systems01:17
Mithrandirmdz: synaptic feels cluttered, IMHO01:17
jimmy_deanmdz: ok, it wants me to specify a kernel to load first01:17
mdzjimmy_dean: ok, one moment01:17
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diemanon /. again...01:17
MithrandirI can't really tell why, but I really don't like synaptic01:17
mdzjimmy_dean: will you write up a howto for the wiki if this works? :-)01:18
jimmy_deanmdz: for the Ubuntu wiki?01:18
mdzjimmy_dean: yes01:18
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zackit'd be cool to have a simpler synaptic... one that tried to work on the "product" level rather than with the minutiae of packages01:18
LinuxJonesMithrandir, I find it is easier to just use apt from the command line than run synaptic....it's faster and simpler 01:18
jimmy_deansure, I like writing...I might even do a simple article for the next GNOME Journal then01:18
minghuamdz: is there a better UI package installer?  I've seen the redhat one on fedora, I don't think it's better than aptitude01:18
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minghuai don't use synaptic at all01:18
mdzjimmy_dean: grub> kernel (cd)/install/vmlinuz DEBCONF_PRIORITY=critical vga=normal initrd=/install/initrd.gz ramdisk_size=10240 root=/dev/rd/0 init=/linuxrc devfs=mount,dall rw --01:19
zackminghua: the redhat one?01:19
Mithrandirzack: that's a Hoary goal.01:19
zackMithrandir: sweet :)01:19
almostluckyare all of the packages not on the mirrors?01:19
minghuazack: the one on fedora core 201:19
jimmy_deanmdz: where did you get that from?01:19
mdzjimmy_dean: grub> initrd (cd)/install/initrd.gz01:19
zackminghua: riiiight... i know of no such thing01:19
mdzjimmy_dean: boot01:19
minghuai find aptitude very good01:19
almostluckyI am prompted to put the cd in when I install some packages01:19
whiprushred carpet is pretty good.01:19
zacki use aptitude almost exclusively01:19
mdzjimmy_dean: combining the grub CD syntax with the parameters passed by the installer when booted from the CD01:20
jimmy_deanah ok!01:20
minghuai am wondering is it possible to write a gtk frontend for aptitude?01:20
jimmy_deannice work01:20
theantixalmostlucky, you should remove the reference to the CD in your repository if you don't have the CD on hand01:20
jimmy_deanmdz: by the way, (insert plug for GNOME Journal)...have you read GNOME Journal?01:20
mdzjimmy_dean: no, I have not. URL?01:21
mdzjimmy_dean: did the boot work?01:21
jimmy_deanI will try in a minute01:21
almostluckytheantix, I do have the CD, I was just curious01:21
jimmy_deanmdz: if this works, it's useful for any linux distro install on old hardware01:22
mdzjimmy_dean: indeed, but since several Ubuntu users have asked about this situation, and the instructions need to be tailored for the distribution, an ubuntu-specific howto would be great01:22
jimmy_deanmdz: yeah, if I get it going I definitely will01:23
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chutwigcountdown to extremetech getting slashdotted01:38
chutwignice screenshot, guys01:39
chutwigwho needs more than 256 colors anyway01:39
chutwigit reminds me of looking at old irix screenshots01:40
dommi!seen matthias01:41
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jonohi all01:56
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bdalefwiw, swapping hard disks in my amd64 box seems to have cured the GRUB hang.  though why ubuntu+grub doesn't like that particular 80G maxtor is beyond me.02:09
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LinuxJonesIt is so quite in here this evening.02:19
jonoheya LinuxJones02:19
LinuxJonesHi jono02:19
chutwigi'm upgrading my SQL knowledge to postgresql from mysql02:20
chutwigbecause everyone made fun of me ;_;02:20
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jonois it hard to migrate a mysql database over to postgres?02:21
bdaleinstall on amd64 is confused, it allowed me to identify my gigE interface as primary during the install, but it's eth1 after reboot yet /etc/network/interfaces only knows about eth0 ... 02:22
bdalehrm.  nope, it's not eth1, that's something else.  looks like the real problem may be that the gigE module didn't get loaded.02:24
chutwigjono: there's no direct method to convert the tables02:26
chutwiggoogling turns up a ton of migration scripts and stuff like that02:26
jonomy dist-upgrade is taking a while02:26
jonomind you, 200 meg to get :)02:26
bdaleyep, a modprobe of sk98lin and an ifup eth0 cured it.  I presume that means the pci id for the 3c940 on this motherboard isn't in the discover tables...02:28
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tonitatried to install ubuntu but first stage after reboot is having trouble..are servers busy?..its saying its geting a error trying to install software albeit its not giving me the exact error...????02:34
jimmy_deanmdz: I'm getting "Error 23: Error while parsing number"02:34
jimmy_deanmdz: from grub02:34
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tonitaanyone alive ?LOL02:46
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LinuxJonestonita, yes barely :D02:47
ZibbyHopefully a quickie...I just finished part one of the install and the machine rebooted...but grub didn't work (error 18)...is there a rescue type boot option on the CD? I'm assuming the help for this is under the F7 option...and my F7 key doesn't work. ;-)02:48
tonitacan't install ubuntu ;(02:48
tonitaserver problems ?02:48
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jdubtonita: your install shouldn't have anything to do with server problems02:50
jdubZibby: can you press escape as grub's loading?02:50
Zibbyno...it goes to fast. Actually Error 18...02:51
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LinuxJonesZibby,  >> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&forumid=8&threadid=22873002:53
tonitajdub, any idea why its failing then02:54
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jsubl2anyone know if the ati igp 3d driver is in ubuntu02:57
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Zibbyit's a scsi drive...heh. 02:58
jdubtonita: not sure, you need to tell me what's happening :)02:59
LinuxJonesjsubl2 , >> is that a Radeon based card ?03:00
crimsunjsubl2: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto03:00
tonitajdub, well I run base-conifg..configure apt...that works..then it trys to install software apparatnly but exits saying it can't and to run aptitutde...03:00
jsubl2thanks LinuxJones and crimsun03:00
theantixI just had the same problem tonita had, fwiw03:00
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tonitatheantix, hmm ic :(03:01
tonitatheantix, ok thx for letting me know it aint just me then..03:01
jsubl2LinuxJones, it is the chipset used in laptops03:01
jsubl2Not sure if ati drivers support is yet.  looking03:02
crimsunZibby: agreed.03:02
crimsuni have the thick lead pipes.03:02
LinuxJonesjsubl2, it says on the ati sight that it is fully software supportable with radeon graphics cards so it should work 03:03
jsubl2ok thanks03:03
axe9dotcomnow to get my printer working so I can actually print out my essay!03:05
Zibbyaxe9dotcom: http://localhost:631 03:05
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LinuxJonesaxe9dotcom, you can configure your printer using the webbrowser http://localhost:631 then login as root03:06
beboopNewbie question if someone has time03:06
Zibbybeboop: ask not to ask, just ask.03:06
theantixwhy are you suggesting the web CUPS interface instead of the one in Gnome that is just as functional and much simpler?03:06
Zibbybeboop: asking to ask a question using up your quota of one question per newbie :p03:07
beboopOK....I just installed Ubuntu and get get a prompt to login but, something is wrong03:07
LinuxJonestheantix, force fo habit I guess03:07
beboopI use my user name and PW but, get nothing03:07
Zibbybeboop: nothing as your kicked back to the loging prompt nothing or nothing as in login goes away but it's not doing anything nothing?03:08
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beboopI get the username@ubuntu prompt....and a $ sign03:09
beboopI can't sign on as root because upon install I don't get to03:09
axe9dotcomwhat's my CUPS username and pw?03:09
Zibbywhoops...this isn't the vmware window...03:10
Zibbyaxe9dotcom: root03:10
Zibbybeboop: sounds like you're just getting a text console...so things are working....03:10
theantixaxe9dotcom, there is a perfectly good Gnome interface to the printer at computer->system configuration->printing03:11
axe9dotcomdidn't work03:11
beboopright that is true but, I can't get past it!03:11
axe9dotcomI know03:11
axe9dotcombut I can't find Drivers for my priner03:11
Zibbybeboop: you don't get past the console...you use it! :D03:11
axe9dotcomit's an03:11
Zibbybeboop: try ctrl+f703:11
beboopZibby..what can I do to get past this?03:12
axe9dotcomHP psc 1350xi All In One03:12
beboopThere is no GUI login screen I take it03:12
Zibbybeboop: I'm not sure...did you finish the 2nd stage of the install yet?03:12
theantixaxe9dotcom, try a search on linuxprinting.org or google to see if they can suggest an alternate driver for your printer03:13
Zibbyok, for its and giggles, type startx ;)03:13
theantixbeboop, did it give you a bunch of errors on install and put you into a program called "aptitude" ?03:13
beboopZibby I am on my XP box right now :(03:13
bebooptheantix....it did but, it "stalled" at 95% of download and said I could do it later03:14
LinuxJonesnight all ... sleepy time03:14
bebooptheantix....I didn't get any errors though03:15
joemthere a simple way to filter out html email with evolution, or is that going to be an eplugin sort of task?03:15
beboopZibby what does the command "startx" do?03:15
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Zibbybeboop: assuming your xserver is configured, it will start the gui.03:16
Zibbyif it isn't configured, it will give you useful error messages (if you know how to interpert them anyway.)03:16
beboopZibby I see.....so type this in when exactly? Being as I cannot login for some reason03:16
axe9dotcomThe only #xi printer theu have listed are the 750xi and the 950xi03:16
theantixaxe9dotcom, if you have an unsupported printer you'll have to try a couple to see what works best (if any)03:17
Zibbybeboop: you said you get something like beboop@ubuntu$ type prompt after entering your username & password?03:17
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beboopZibby yes I do and I am hung up at that point not knowing what command I am to type03:18
Zibbybeboop: that is logged in my friend. :)03:18
Zibbywelcome to the ever so friendly and infintly useful linux command line.03:19
beboopZibby.....right but, what do I do to get to the GUI after that?03:19
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Zibbybeboop: to me, it sounds like what happened is either a> your xserver didn't get configured properly by the installer or b> the xserver didn't get installed at all.03:20
beboopZibby ....command lines...ah yes....this is abit new to me although I have used Mandrake and ArkLinux before03:20
beboopZibby...any suggestions...be kind now :)03:20
Zibbybeboop: so try startx...if you get a gui, you're just missing the display manger, so apt-get install gdm should fix that. If you get an error message, dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (Ubuntu people jump in here if Ubuntu has a better way, all I know is debian right now!). If that doesn't work, apt-get install xserver-xfree86 gdm03:21
beboopZibby.....well, I'll reboot and give it a go ( picture Popeye going forth fearlessly )03:23
Zibbybeboop: get a beer or two in you, it'll help. Really ;-)03:24
beboopZibby..I have also had a problem with EVERY install of ANY Linux distro03:24
beboopZibby my monitor settings03:24
beboopI have an NEC 22" FP 1375x03:24
Zibbyflat panel?03:24
beboopEvery version of Linux is off to the right on my screen by a half inch or so03:25
beboopI have to manually go reset it each time I reboot to XP03:25
beboopis there any fix for this?03:25
beboopThis happened with my nVidia card and now my ATI 9600 AIW card too03:26
beboopnobody has been able to answer this03:26
sladenbeboop: is it something to do with refresh rates?03:26
beboopZibby........CRT flat screen03:26
Zibbyprobally is...should just be a matter of getting the refresh rates and resoultions set properly.03:26
Zibbybeboop: I don't see any reason to get into that problem if you don't have your gui working anyway...one thing at a time ;)03:27
beboopZibby....well I can do that OK but EVERY distro ( Mandrake, ArkLinux, PHLAK, Slax, ) does this03:27
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mdzjimmy_dean: hmm03:27
beboopYes, you are right...but, still, it annoys me03:27
Zibbyblame NEC 03:28
jimmy_deanmdz: any idea what grub might mean by that?  it's a very vague error03:28
jimmy_deanmdz: I tried taking certain options out, putting things in quotes, etc03:28
jimmy_deannothing changed03:28
mdzjimmy_dean: according to the documentation, it means that grub's parser was expecting a number and found something else03:28
mdzwhich implies the problem was with the command, rather than with the boot process03:28
jimmy_deanmdz: ok, yeah03:28
Zibbybeboop: also, try running apt-get dselect-upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade...that might finish installing packages that didn't install for whatever reason.03:29
beboopNEC.....maybe....I thought it might be drivers and actually went through the hassle of updating the old nVidia card driver to no avail03:29
beboopZibby...thanks so much...hopefully I'll be back here via Ubuntu within a few minutes!03:29
Zibbybeboop: odds are linux is configuring a different refresh than Windows is...shouldn't be hard to fix once the gui is actually working03:29
jimmy_deanmdz: any suggestion come to mind?03:30
beboopZibby..again thanks....got a Henieken in front of me now! ;-)03:30
mdzjimmy_dean: the documentation seems to imply that (cd) might only work if grub itself is booted from a CD-ROM03:30
Zibbybeboop: maybe when you come back I'll have my Ubuntu install finished :p03:30
mdzjimmy_dean: which means it is much less useful than I had thought03:30
mdzbut is understandable03:30
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jimmy_deanmdz: hmm, yeah03:30
jimmy_deanmdz: but when I did just type boot (cd) it didn't complain about (cd)03:31
jimmy_deanit complained about needing a kernel loaded first03:31
beboopZibby.....and away I go...........03:31
mdzjimmy_dean: does it give the error when you give the boot command?03:31
mdzjimmy_dean: or when you give the kernel command?03:31
jimmy_deanmdz: yeah, I gave you the kernel command error above03:31
jimmy_deanmdz: and boot command, one sec...03:31
Zibbyaxe9dotcom: did you figure out your printer?03:31
mdzif it gave the error immediately when you issued the kernel command, that's discouraging03:32
jimmy_deanmdz: Error 8: Kernel must be loaded before booting03:32
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jimmy_deanmdz: yes it did, without trying anything it appears too03:32
jimmy_deanit immediately returned03:32
Zibbyaxe9dotcom: if not, look up your printer at http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi The thing about those all in one printers is that they are netorious for requiring host software to function at all, and of course there is only host software for windows. Kinda like WinModems. Some of them do work. 03:33
mdzjimmy_dean: http://www.lrz-muenchen.de/~bernhard/grub-chain-cd.html03:33
mdzjimmy_dean: that page seems promising03:34
jimmy_deanok, let me take a look03:34
Zibbyaxe9dotcom: lot of HP models share the same print engine too, so the driver you need might not be named the same as your model number.03:34
mdzjimmy_dean: specifically the part about SBM03:35
Zibbyffs, Ubuntu and VMWare don't mix. Grub Error 18 again 03:35
mdzjimmy_dean: if you can create an SBM boot floppy, that might let you boot the CD (no grub involved)03:35
jimmy_deanmdz: yeah, that might work...though I have something similar to it...and it didn't detect the CD drive03:35
jimmy_deanmdz: but I'll give this one a try too03:35
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mdzjimmy_dean: just how old is this laptop?  the CD-ROM is ATAPI, right?03:36
mdzif it isn't, I don't think there's much hope03:36
jimmy_deanmdz: no idea...this laptop is very old...P90 Toshiba03:36
sn0wmanWhy is gpdf not included with ubuntu, nor is it available from the ubuntu deb server?03:36
jimmy_deanmdz: basically trying this for kicks03:36
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mdzsn0wman: FAQ03:36
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jimmy_deanmdz: but I almost got the normal Debian Sarge installer to work with the CDROM, so it is possible03:37
mdzjimmy_dean: oh? how?03:37
jimmy_deanmdz: I just couldn't get it to get the network card going03:37
dan_ahey guys03:37
jimmy_deanmdz: it auto detected it03:37
dan_asomeone is using my nick "dalderman" :-(03:37
jimmy_deanmdz: but RedHat 7 worked with this PCMCIA network card, so I know it's possible03:37
mdzjimmy_dean: you made a debian sarge CD, and it booted in that drive?  I thought you said it didn't support booting from CD-ROM03:37
jimmy_deanmdz: no, I used a boot floppy03:38
dan_aanyone here tried to recompile a kernel yet?03:38
jimmy_deanmdz: for debian03:38
mdzjimmy_dean: ahh, ok03:38
mdzjimmy_dean: so you couldn't boot from it, but it could see the cd-rom from the installer03:38
jimmy_deanmdz: yes, exactly03:38
dan_aI was wondering if the hal patches to the kernel were Ubuntu specific03:39
dan_aspecifically the drop_privelages() function03:39
dan_aI posted to the user list a couple of days back regarding kernel building and this problem but nobody answered03:40
dan_aso I thought I'd try in here again... poke poke :-)03:41
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ultrafunkdan_a: i have, and came up with the whole 'dropping capabilities' warning in hald03:43
dan_aultrafunk, ahhhh ok, cool, so it's not just me then :-)03:43
ultrafunkdan_a: I don't use Firewire though (which was the device it complained about), so I safely ignored it03:44
dan_aultrafunk, reproducable generally means it's fixable :-)03:44
WWmount tells me that my partition type is unknown, when it should be reiserfs.  Should I be worried?03:44
dan_aultrafunk, I didn't get a device specific error, but that was just on the console, I will check syslog03:44
dan_aultrafunk, are you a kernel person for Ubuntu?03:45
Zibbymount -t riserfs /mountpoint /device?03:45
ultrafunkdan_a: i'd hazard a guess it is -- I just made a new kernel package, with some ACPI updates, and that was the only error it had03:45
ultrafunkdan_a: no, but if you filed a bug about it, i'd be happy to 'me too' it for you :)03:46
dan_aultrafunk, I was patching to get my alps touchpad working, but it broke my framebuffer and I got the hal error03:46
WWZibby: It's my root partition: /dev/hda2 on / type unknown (rw)03:46
dan_aultrafunk, I filed a bug already as I hadn't got a response, just wanted to know if it was just me03:46
Zibbydan_a: are you building kernel.org source or from a source package that you got via apt?03:47
dan_aultrafunk, I recompiled without doing anything to the kernel and still got the same error which makes me think there is an error in the linux-source package03:47
dan_aZibby, linux-source-
dan_aZibby, deb03:48
ZibbyWW: ah, and you're system is booted up and working? lsmod shows reiserfs? If so, you're probally ok.03:48
Zibbydan_a: if you're working with a debian source package it should have all the patches the Ubuntu folks applied to it...03:48
dan_aZibby, that's what I thought, so why when I recompile using the config from /boot do I get different results?03:49
Zibbydan_a: you can always cp /boot/config-verions /kernel-src-path/.config and go form there :)03:49
dan_aZibby, I did03:49
WWZibby: lsmod | grep reis   returns03:50
WWreiserfs              240880  203:50
WWZibby: and as far as I can tell, my system is working.03:50
Zibbyusing the config from /boot works? 03:50
dan_aZibby, no, hal and framebuffer break03:50
dan_a<dan_a> Zibby, that's what I thought, so why when I recompile using the config from /boot do I get different results?03:50
ZibbyWW: my guess is the version of mount doesn't recognize riserfs for some reason...but sounds like your ok.03:50
ultrafunkdan_a: in my case, I had to tear out some of the existing ACPI stuff to get the newer patches to work, but I wouldn't have thought that would have touched capabilities support at all (except that the network socket capability support is turned off in the Ubuntu kernel configuration by default)03:50
dan_aultrafunk, my acpi is broken too, suspend doesn't work on my laptop, most annoying :-(03:51
ultrafunkdan_a: btw, did you build your own kernel, or use make-kpkg and build a replacement deb for it?03:51
dan_aultrafunk, thom is looking at it for me03:51
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dan_aultrafunk, make-kpkg, the "Debian" way :-)03:52
Zibbyyay for vmware...cdrom...use iso...no burning cds...heh03:53
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Zibbyultrafunk: there are only a few debian developers that can03:54
ultrafunkdan_a: i'd be happy to send you the collection of patches I used to get ACPI going on various laptops around the office, if you'd like03:54
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dan_aZibby, qemu is cool too03:54
dan_aultrafunk, I got a Tosh Sat Pro A1003:54
dan_aultrafunk, are they anything like that?  It does suspend, but when it wakes up it shuts down gracefully03:56
mdzultrafunk: I'd be interested in those patches if you're still having problems with the kernel (which inlcudes the latest stable ACPI patch)03:57
ultrafunkdan_a: have only got an A30-213 around here, which works correctly with the updated DSDT and the patches from kernel.org03:58
dan_aultrafunk, I could give em a go yeah, can you post to dan@danalderman.co.uk please03:58
WWZibby: Thanks.  03:59
ultrafunkmdz: I haven't booted a laptop with the -9 kernel, but i'll rediff them if they are still required and send them to you04:00
dan_awhat's the difference between the packages linux-image-2.6-686 and linux-image- ?04:02
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Slackeerbwhiprush: are you around?04:03
Slackeerbi just reinstalled ubuntu04:05
Slackeerbi need to install java again04:05
Slackeerbbut i forgot how 204:05
Slackeerbdid you ever make that how 2?04:05
whiprushsort of04:05
dommiapt-get install java?04:05
whiprushlast 2 lines.04:05
whiprushunsupported, ymmv, etc. etc.04:06
Slackeerbthx whiprush =) (again! lol...)04:06
Slackeerbwhiprush: whats mono, and do you know any good p2p clients for gnome?04:07
whiprushmono is a .net implementation for linux.04:08
whiprushyou can try azureus, it's a bittorrent client04:08
Slackeerbwhiprush: I already got azreus. =P. I was thinking somethonmg more like kazaa.04:08
whiprushoh, dunno04:08
dommiyou could use direct connect through wine04:08
dommiyou could probably use a few p2p clients using wine04:09
SlackeerbDommi: omg lol i forgot about wine04:09
Slackeerbdommi: thx =P04:09
dommiwell there ya go04:09
Kamiondan_a: linux-image-2.6-686 is a metapackage that always depends on the current real kernel package04:10
dan_aKamion, I thought so, is it correct that I can select linux-image-2.6-686 for installation in aptitude even though linux-image- is installed already?04:12
dan_aKamion, I guess having linux-image-2.6-686 installed just ensures I am kept up to date04:14
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Kamiondan_a: yep04:15
KosaiBah, can't sleep.04:17
dan_aKosai, you can join my club if you like :-)04:17
dan_aanyone know how I can make the buttons in evolution smaller, perhaps appear without the text?  I'm guessing a gconf settings somewhere?04:19
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dan_asorry, should have been more specific, I mean the buttons at the bottom of the side pane for the address book, mail etc04:21
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igsterevening all.  curious if anyone has tried wine on ubuntu and if they have had any success doing so.04:29
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tvon|x31I'm running cxoffice without any problems...but thats somewhat simpler than wine alone :)04:31
axe9dotcomwhy is installing a printer so hard =_=04:34
axe9dotcomI need more RAM >.<04:35
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trubHello, would anyone be able to tell me the status of ubuntu on a 12" G4 Powerbook (rev C)04:50
trubI was wondering if there are any issues with sleep, sound, video, etc04:51
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whiprushanyone try this updated utopia stack that was posted on the list?04:55
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joemwhat list?04:57
tvon|x31whiprush: mhm...installed it, havent played with it04:59
whiprushhmmm, mine isn't mounting anything05:00
whiprushshows up in the kernel though05:00
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joemI don't have ide support with ubuntu, so I can't test the new patch05:02
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theantixis there a gui way to add a second user to be able to sudo?05:08
tvon|x31add them to the sudo group I believe05:08
tvon|x31er, no05:08
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tvon|x31I don't know...but there should be a default sudo group in /etc/sudoers05:09
kuroishidamn ubuntu is nice =D05:09
tvon|x31There isnt but should be05:09
theantixis there in yours?  mind doesn't have one05:09
kuroishijust installed it.05:09
kuroishihmm, no XMMS on the default repository?05:09
theantixtvon|x31, yeah... it seems like there *should* be, call it wheel or sudo group or whatever... should be some way to do that05:10
theantixkuroishi, it's in the universe repository, works fine05:10
tvon|x31theantix: should file a bi05:10
tvon|x31theantix: er, bug05:10
theantixgood idea, will do that now05:10
kuroishiuniverse eh?05:11
kuroishiis that in the default sources.list?05:11
kuroishifound it05:11
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kuroishidamn ubuntu is awesome =D05:13
theantixkuroishi, indeed :-)05:13
kuroishilove how firefox is the default browser, i've been waiting for an OS with that ;D05:13
theantixwell you're going to be really happy then, because FC3 and I think Novell's new distro will do that too05:14
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whiprushtheantix: computer->system config->users and groups should work.05:15
defendguincan 2 users be the owner of a folder?05:15
theantixwhiprush, I can add someone to the group "sudo" from there, but they still aren't in the sudoers file05:16
whiprusho hoh05:16
whiprushI see what you mean05:17
theantixif the group %sudo was in sudoers, it would be okay05:17
stubdefendguin: no - you need to use a group if two users need to share access to the same directory05:17
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defendguinhmm ok05:18
defendguini use chown groupname /path/to/dir  ?05:18
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aitruswhat pacakge does sound juicer need for mp3 support?05:22
tvon|x31something related to 'lame'05:22
joemgstreamer lame plugin05:22
aitrusahh yes... gstreamer is everything anymore... =)05:23
aitrusthank you05:23
aitrusdoes anyone have any idea why i don't have sound in firefox (flash apps)?05:24
thursdayhas anyone built the ati drivers?05:27
mdzthursday: they're included by default05:28
thursdaymdz, how would i enable them? or by included do you mean it's in the apt repository and i need to apt-get them...05:28
mdzthursday: the kernel module is installed by default, and the X driver is available via apt05:29
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mdzthursday: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto05:29
joemmdz, do the new kernel images released have any sort of ide changes?05:30
mdzjoem: not specifically, no. are you having a problem?05:30
joemyea, can't seem to get ide working over here05:32
mdzjoem: what was the last kernel where it worked?05:32
mdzjoem: and what is the error message you see?05:33
joemtried different combinations of modules/boot options..get nothing05:33
joemmdz, hold on, I'll get the bug#05:33
thursdayalso my console seems to be out of sync, the spacing is just off and it's hardly legible. anyone had a similar problem? (i'm using gnome-terminal btw and TERM is set to xterm)05:33
mdzjoem: I see, so this is a problem with the install CD?05:34
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joemwell, I have the same problems after install is complete05:35
mdzjoem: the new kernel has not propagated onto the install CDs yet05:35
joemI have an sata drive..so I could still install via net install05:35
joembut the ide cdroms don't work05:35
joemthere was a boot message related to some of the ide modules I tried to load, last comment on the bug05:36
defendguinwhat's the latest kernel?05:37
mdzjoem: what is the error message that you see when it fails?05:37
joemde0: I/O resource 0x1F0-0x1F7 not free.05:38
joem10:36 < joem> Sep 23 07:29:30 localhost kernel: ide0: ports already in use,05:38
joemskipping probe05:38
mdzjoem: I mean in the installer05:38
defendguinoh btw the ubuntu is the ugliest boot i have ever seen :(05:38
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joemoh, says it can't find common cd rom drive05:38
aitrusdefendguin: guess you haven't seen many different distros05:38
joemodd thing though, ide stuff works fine only on the live cd05:38
mdzjoem: there are two different dialogs which contain the text "No common CD-ROM drive was detected"05:38
defendguinaitrus, even the non graphical rh boot is better05:39
mdzjoem: one asks if you want to load drivers from a floppy, and the other offers to let you select a cd-rom driver. which one did you see?05:39
defendguinalthough a graphical boot would be nice05:39
mdzdefendguin: hoary05:39
joemmdz, list05:39
defendguinwell so long as its planned05:39
joemthough I thought there was an option for both, but would that have been expert mode only?05:40
mdzdefendguin: for future reference, the list of proposed hoary feature goals is in the wiki, page HoaryHedgehog05:40
defendguinmdz, are you guys getting any subscriptions for service yet?05:41
mdzjoem: please attach the complete dmesg output to the bug05:41
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mdzjoem: when you boot the installed system, do you get the same problem or a different one?05:42
mdzfood, back later05:42
joemmdz, same issue05:42
joemfar as I can tell anyways05:43
hazmatany ppc users around? i'm curious if ubuntu can coexist/dual boot with osx?05:43
defendguinim not used to this debian kernel naming syntax05:44
hazmati've got a powerbook with an osx  / gentoo dual boot and like to switch it but the default docs and what little i've read (lilo/grub boot loaders, partitioning choices) make me nervous about trying without getting some confirmation.05:44
defendguindo i need the linux-686 package or the linux-image-68605:44
defendguinboth? would i need the restricted modules?05:44
subterrificdefendguin: image is the compiled binary image05:45
subterrificdefendguin: you only need the restricted modules if you need support for that hardware05:45
defendguinok so i just need the img05:45
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joemmdz, added dmesg output to bug..hope it helps05:51
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defendguinhmm i need some ubuntu stickers05:53
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WWDo I have this right? The new metapackage linux-686 will keep me up to date with the kernel image and the restricted modules.  If so, nice.  Thanks.06:18
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toyowheelinhey all06:24
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toyowheelinis xchat 2.4.0 going to be added any time soon? or maybe it has and I just havent upgraded frequently enough06:26
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toyowheelinanyone know how to setup what the default audio player should be?06:35
theantixtoyowheelin, describe a bit more what you are trying to do, your question is a bit vague06:36
toyowheelinwell I think I just figured it out...I just wanted to asociate .pls files to xmms06:37
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subterrifictoyowheelin: right click->properties->Open With06:38
toyowheelinoh and my other question was if/when there will be xchat 2.4.006:38
subterrifictoyowheelin: what a silly question06:39
toyowheelinnaw not too silly06:39
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theantixtoyowheelin, it's not even in debian unstable... so don't hold your breath06:41
toyowheelinoh really06:41
toyowheelinI got used to the tab completion06:42
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deFryskthis Sphere Crystal Theme is really a beauty08:53
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jamesheuler: I don't know.08:57
jamesheuler: if everything has been partitioned already, the instructions for adjusting the geometry with sfdisk might be worth a try.08:57
eulerYah, I am trying that right now.08:58
eulerWoohoo, windows is booting... Wait, I can't believe I just said that.08:59
deFryskeuler, wash your mouth08:59
eulerMan, I thought my wife was gonna kill me.08:59
eulerIt's been a couple of years since I have screwed something up and lost her address book...09:00
eulerOk, somethings are still not quite right...  My computer thinks it is 7:00 am.09:01
theantixeuler, have you tried any of the utilities on the ultimate boot cd?  I've had luck with recovering windows partitions with it09:01
eulertheantix: jamesh gave me a link to the issues with FC2.  That seems to have fixed my problem.09:01
theantixsorry, just saw that -- great :-)09:01
jamesheuler: it seems like it is a problem with any distro using Linux 2.6 and Parted.09:02
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eulerI must have messed some things up with my flailing around before though.  Every program that started up seemed to want to access my a: drive, and it somehow discovered some new hardware...  Oh well, I was about due for a re-install of windows anyway.09:03
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Treenakseuler: at least you can make backups now..09:04
eulerFor a second there, I was hoping that I would get a new HD out of the deal :)09:05
eulerWell, that was an adventure.09:07
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eulerJust out of curiosity, does universe have enlightenment?09:07
Treenakseuler: apt-cache search :)09:07
eulerGnome is just too heavy.09:07
eulerTreenaks: I am in windows now :)09:08
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eulerSeriously though.  I am about to re-install ubuntu (know that I know how to fix my woes), but want to make sure that it is worth it.09:08
pojI can not install ubuntu..after reboot it say it will install extra things from internet but then it bails after some apt-get calls and says install of applications failed...is this known issue and if so what should I do ? ;-0009:09
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eulerpoj: I was just having that issue.09:09
subterrificpoj: do the install without the internet update09:09
pojeuler, gnome is not too heavy if you have a fairly recent cpu09:09
pojsubterrific, so that is the issue then the install internet update ?09:10
jdubnah, cpu is fine, it's the ram that hurts09:10
jdubas long as you have > 256MB ram, you're okay09:10
eulerpoj: I'm talking memory usage.  I have 512 MB, and 400+ is being used.  10 of the top 15 consumers are gnome related.09:10
jdubeuler: that's okay09:10
jdubeuler: if you add it up (correctly, this is hard), they're not using all that ram09:10
subterrificeuler: thats probably all cache09:10
plovspitti, I installed your Utopia-stuff, and it did not blow up my computer09:10
eulerI was making the assumption that I was seeing that because of my drive geometry issue, but maybe that is incorrect.09:11
jdubeuler: if you add it up incorrectly, they'd be using more ram that you have on the system :)09:11
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eulersubterrific: no, only about 1/3 of it was cache.09:11
pittiplovs: nice to hear! It blowed cd burning for mdz...09:11
subterrificeuler: then you still have plenty of memory09:11
plovspitti, ah, I haven't tried that yet, I'll try, if I suddenly dissapear ...09:11
subterrificas long as your machine isn't swapping out crazily, you're fine09:12
pittiplovs: didn't I write that the new nautilus-cd-burner slurps your hand into the CD drive? :-)09:12
Treenakspitti: it does? cool!09:12
plovspitti, aaagh, typing with one handdfgbsd dfasdfsaf09:12
eulerI was about to make a fool of myself, so I will shut my mouth now...09:13
pojtwice ram is typical right for swap?..just wondering because installer tried to setup 512k swap even though I have 1 gb ram ...? ;-)09:13
pittiplovs: Pressing Ctrl+Alt+Delete is not _that_ easy with just one hand, is it :-)09:13
calcpitti: it is on the right side of the keyboard09:13
eulerpoj: twice ram USED to be recommended, but these days, it isn't absolutely necessary.09:13
calcpitti: but no you can't do it accidentally09:14
subterrificpoj: 2gigs of swap is insane. and i think you mean 512mb09:14
eulerWhen you have a gig of ram, you very very rarely swap.09:14
eulerand 1/2 ram is usually sufficeient to perform a memory dump with that much ram.09:15
plovscalc, in all those years I actually never noticed it *is* possible with the right hand ... so that is whet blind typing means09:15
eulerI'm a glutton for punishment.09:15
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pojsubterrific, yes I meant 512mb09:15
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plovspitti, sorry to dissapoint you but it all worked flawlessly, no slurping, no nothing09:16
pittiplovs: damn, debian/patches/slurp_user.diff does not seem to work09:16
pittiplovs: nice to hear!09:16
plovspitti, i put in empty cdrw, dropped stuff in it, and burned it09:16
eulerjamesh: Thanks again for the pointer to that article...09:16
pittiplovs: what about USB devices?09:16
pojokay kewl so ubuntu's choice of swap is right on then...kewl ill leave it alone then thx09:16
pittiplovs: or putting in a CD?09:17
jamesheuler: no problem.09:17
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plovspitti, plugged it in ...09:17
plovspitti, ???? it opens two windows sdb and sdb1 ???09:18
pittiplovs: but if sdb1 is a partition, sdb should not contain anything?09:18
plovspitti, let me check the partition-table09:18
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plovspitti, I mught have messed that one up09:19
eulerBut that being said, I manage systems at work that have 12 Gig of swap.09:19
Treenakseuler: yikes09:19
eulerI am a sysadmin on a supercomputer.  Full memory dumps are not uncommon.09:20
Treenaksok, that's a point there..09:20
eulerAnd we have 6-8 Gigs of ram in each node.09:20
euler(used to be 12...)09:20
plovspitti, table looks ok ... /dev/sdb1               1        1015      255752   83  Linux09:21
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pittiplovs: I will return to that later; just have to provide a quick fix for cd-burner09:21
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plovspitti, ok, two is better then zero ;-)09:21
pittiplovs: but the sdb window _is_ empty, yes?09:22
plovspitti, yes, but I'll try to drop stuff in sdb1 and then see what happens09:22
pojhttp://www.gnomefiles.org/ < pretty nice site that I just found...anyway Ill leave you with that url to feast over heh...back to installer I go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>09:22
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plovspitti, hmm it looks hosed, I can drop in both drives, if i unplug without unmounting it doesn't write, sync is turned of or something09:25
pittiplovs: what does "mount" say? For the options?09:25
plovspitti, /dev/sdb1 on /media/sdb1 type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync,uid=1000,gid=1000)09:25
plovs/dev/sdb on /media/sdb type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync,uid=1000,gid=1000)09:26
pittiplovs: looks good09:26
pittiplovs: sdb should not be there09:26
pittiplovs: can you please look in the device manager? if sdb has block.is_volume and block.device?09:26
plovspitti, and it doesn't sync straight away09:27
pittiplovs: but the mount flag is set; I cannot do anything other than that09:27
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plovssorry, but i seem to have misplaced my devicemanager, where is it supposed to be?09:28
pittiplovs: you need to install package hal-device-manager09:28
pittiplovs: it now has a package on its own09:28
plovsi can'r remember having replaced it though :(09:28
pittiplovs: no, the old hal package contained it09:28
plovspitti, ok, it pulled it from your drive09:29
plovspitti, block.is_volume is set to one one both ??? why?09:30
pittiplovs: damn new hal...09:30
pittiplovs: sdb should not be a volume09:30
pittiplovs: can you please mail me the full output of lshal? martin.pitt@canonical.com09:31
plovspitti, it's good you do this for a living ... at last somebody to complain to :)09:31
pittiplovs: :-)09:31
pittiplovs: such regressions are the reason why I'm actually hesitant to upload new upstream versions09:32
pittiplovs: if I see something that tells apart sdb from sdb1, I can fix this09:32
plovspitti, yes better one guineapig09:32
plovshow do you write that?09:32
pittiplovs: ?09:32
pittiplovs: what has this to do with guinea pigs?09:33
plovsit's an expression, they used them for testing medicine or something09:34
plovsso you test your packages on those who like to live on the bleeding edge, and so we bleed09:35
plovswhatever, I need coffee :)09:35
eulerpitti: Its an american expression.09:37
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spikebhowdy again folks09:41
plovsdid anybody try to add search-engines to firefox, i can't09:42
Treenaksplovs: file a bug09:42
spikebso what is this i heard earlier about the install cd possibly not working correctly?09:42
Treenaksspikeb: that could've been a temporary issue..09:43
plovsTreenaks, only if i didn't bork my machine, so if somebody else could try, i can file a bug if necessary09:43
Treenaksplovs: it doesn't work for me either...09:44
plovsTreenaks, ok, of to bugzilla09:44
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lothariohiya pals09:50
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pittiplovs: I looked at the lshal output; there seems to be absolutely nothing that tells sdb and sdb1 apart10:02
pittiplovs: IIRC you formerly did not have a partition on the stick, is that right?10:02
pittiplovs: so maybe it does not have a proper MBR, but still has a VFAT signature on the first block10:03
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tof-where can i find apt mirror list ?10:06
Treenaks/etc/apt/sources.list ?10:06
plovspitti, i made the partition by hand, should i format the disk in XP, then i have a really funly partition-table10:06
Treenaksor just edit it using synaptic10:06
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pittiplovs: it should be sufficient to put a proper MBR onto it; then you can even boot off it10:07
plovspitti, how?10:07
spikebi had xp already installed, used qtparted to resize the partition. :)10:07
pittiplovs: apt-get install mbr10:08
pittiplovs: install-mbr /dev/sdb10:08
plovspitti, never seen it (mbr), i'll try, brb10:08
pittiplovs: ah, you have to say /sbin/install-mbr /dev/sdb (it's not in user's path)10:09
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pittiHi sivang! Howdy?10:12
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plovspitti, that fixed it10:13
pittiHi lulu10:13
pittiplovs: hmm. This could be regarded as a bug; hal seems to look only at the first block to identify a file system10:13
pittiplovs: usually this should be enough, though10:14
pittiplovs: I don't think that I can fix that for Warty, but I will tell upstream about this10:14
plovspitti, i can't umount anymore10:16
pittiplovs: what? sdb/sdb1/nothing?10:16
plovssudo umount /media/sdb110:17
plovsumount: /media/sdb1: device is busy10:17
plovspitti, but it isn't busy10:17
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plovspitti, it is lying10:17
pittiplovs: it is busy10:17
plovspitti, bad, bad disk10:17
pittiplovs: gnome-volume-manager keeps some locks and the trash on it10:17
pittiplovs: you need to unmount with the desktop or disk icon10:18
pittiplovs: btw, please no sudo umount; use pumount /dev/sdb1 for this10:18
plovspitti, same error10:18
pittiplovs: pumount -l /dev/sdb110:18
pittiplovs: wait10:18
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plovspitti, same error10:18
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pittiplovs: you could do lsof | grep sdb1 before10:19
pittiplovs: to see what's actually wrong10:19
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pittiplovs: or just rip it out; hal will handle that correctly10:19
plovspitti, tried that, no output10:19
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plovspitti, I know I can rip it out, but yesterday I could unmount it 10:20
pittiplovs: normally this should be possible.10:21
pittiplovs: did you unmount it before you installed the mbr?10:21
pittiplovs: modifying the raw device while it is mounted always requires a reboot (which is a unplug/replug for usb)10:21
plovspitti, pulled it out, put it back in, same error :( ,it's no biggie, it works but well ...10:23
sivangpitti : still working on mounting bugs?10:24
pittiplovs: so now only sdb1 window appears, but you can't unmount it, right?10:25
plovspitti, and it doesn't sync10:25
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plovspitti, yes only sdb1 but i can't write to it10:25
pittiplovs: but it is mounted with sync10:25
plovspitti, use the mouse mat, it will ease the pain10:25
pittiplovs: not mine, it is flat and hard10:25
pittiplovs: so you have a readonly, non-syncing, busy stick .10:26
zenwhensounds hot10:26
plovspitti, if it helps I'll yell at my usb-key for you ...10:26
pittiplovs: I hope that the mbr writing did not damage the partition map/the file system10:26
pittiplovs: do that, please10:26
plovspitti, i'll try in XP10:26
pittiplovs: you can reformat it if you want10:27
pittiplovs: I can tell you how10:27
plovspitti, it works in  .... windows ...10:28
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plovsi can write files to it and read them in linux, i just can't write in linux10:29
pittiplovs: that is odd. Can you erase, repartition and reformat the stick?10:29
plovsor more precise i can write but it doesn't sync and i don't want to wait until it sync automagically10:29
pittiplovs: I can't think of anything what should keep linux from writing onto a VFAT drive10:30
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spikebblah, no libdvdcss10:30
plovsi *can* write, it just doesn't flush it to disk10:30
sivangpitti : what about permissoin? have all possibilities exhusted?10:31
pittiplovs: but the mount options are obviously correct, yes?10:31
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pittisivang: which permissions?10:31
plovs/dev/sdb1 on /media/sdb1 type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync,uid=1000,gid=1000)10:31
pittiplovs: looks perfect10:31
sivangpitti : strange, I never needed to assign uid nor gid to be able to use my stick rw10:31
plovspitti, almost perfect, but the devil is in the details ...10:31
pittisivang: it's required for hfs/hfsplus devices10:32
spikebi smell an ipod10:32
pittisivang: also for cdroms10:32
sivangpitti : oh10:32
pittisivang: it maps the root user to the given uid/gid10:32
pittisivang: so only the user who plugged it in can write onto the device10:33
sivangpitti : i know, i am using it for ntfs10:33
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pittiplovs: do you have any particular "devil" in mind? (i. e. a cause for the troubles)10:33
sivangpitti : although I can relax this, as NTFS is mounted ro here anyways.10:33
plovspitti, yes, it doesn't *sync* when i type sync and then unplug then it is ok :(10:34
plovspitti, sync-devil that would be10:34
sivangfabbione : morning :)10:34
fabbionesivang: morning :-)10:34
sivangfabbione : I've been missing for a week, felt so darn awful..Back now10:34
pittiplovs: do you have another device to test this stuff? Does it happen there, too?10:35
sivangfabbione : xresprobe says 80hz , kill it ? :)10:35
fabbionesivang: one things at a time :-))) what is the problem?10:35
plovspitti, i tried my usb-zip-drive and goes how many windows it opened ...10:36
sivangfabbione : I'd like to use my FLATRON 795FTplus (dunnon what the plus is for ;) ) 100Hz vert ref 10:36
pittiplovs: 0?10:36
sivangfabbione : having tried several times with the XF86COnfig-4 file,10:36
fabbionesivang: ok.10:36
plovspitti, *TWO* :-) :-)10:36
fabbionesivang: can you give me the full output from xresprobe?10:37
pittiplovs: also the raw device?10:37
pittiplovs: okay, this starts to suck.10:37
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pittiplovs: I already asked upstream, I will try to find a fix myself10:37
pittiplovs: BTW, I know what could have went wrong10:37
sivangfabbione : id:10:37
sivangres: 1600x1200 1280x1024 1152x864 1024x768 832x624 800x600 720x540 720x400 640x48010:37
fabbioneok. that looks sane10:38
sivangfabbione : i see now it didn't return nothing for "freq"10:38
tof-how can i start install of the ordinary desktop ?10:38
plovspitti, sda and sda1 and I can't umount it, and the disk doesn't eject either, and I will not climb behind my computer to yank the cable ...10:38
fabbionesivang: now, did you edit your X config file manually?10:38
pittiplovs: it mounted your raw device, which means that as soon as you write onto a mounted (nonexisting) /dev/sdb file system, it will overwrite /dev/sda1!10:38
sivangfabbione : i first tried with dpkg-reconfigure10:38
pittiplovs: please reboot your computer to sort that out10:38
pittiplovs: I will try to find a fix for not mounting the raw device10:38
sivangfabbione : when these didn't give any wanted results, I resorted to manually try diffrent combinations of freqs manually10:39
fabbionesivang: ok. that's not the best way to do things...10:39
pittiplovs: brb, have to reboot quickly10:39
sivangfabbione : when I listed the 85Hz in one of the lists, it would always use it10:39
fabbionesivang: now. let's try to make things working again10:39
plovspitti, i'll wait with writing to the devices, but it kind of leaves something to be desired.10:39
sivangfabbione : they are working :) but not 100Hz10:39
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fabbionesivang: LCD panels have one resolution and (basically) one frequency set. All the other stuff is "fake"10:40
zenwhenhow would i set my clock to 5:00am using date?10:40
fabbionesivang: show me the Freq and Vert line10:40
sivangfabbione : it's not LCD ;-) This is a FLATRON 796FT plus, a monster CRT :-))10:40
fabbioneahh FLAT = LCD ;)10:41
sivangfabbione : k10:41
ajzenwhen: date -s '5:00am'10:41
sivangfabbione : you'd like the xresprobe output again?10:41
fabbionesivang: no thanks. just the 2 lines from the config file10:41
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sivangfabbione : k, hold on a sec10:42
tof-which cmd i must use to install gnome ? apt-get install gnome only ?10:42
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spikebalrighty. whenever im ready, im off to reboot and install.10:42
sivangfabbione : HorizSync30-9610:43
fabbionesivang: ok wait a sec now :-)10:43
sivangfabbione : sure, no problemo10:43
fabbionesivang: btw which version of xresprobe are you using?10:44
fabbionesivang: and what is the output of ddcprobe?10:44
sivangfabbione : lemme check this , and this and well, a sec ;-)10:44
fabbione(paste in private since it might be quite long)10:44
hiweedhey all10:45
fabbionesivang: try to set this:10:45
fabbioneHorizSync 30-14010:45
fabbioneVertRefresh 60-16010:45
hiweedhow to make a task-package for tasksel or aptitude use?10:45
spikebalright, im off to install.10:45
pittiplovs: I just created a file system on my raw usb stick, without partitions. Nice to see that this works now with the new hal10:46
defendguinubuntu needs an rss feed for updates10:47
hiweedthe Ubuntu 4.10 comes with a task named ~tubuntu-desktop, I wanna know how to modify it to add/remove some packages10:47
fabbionesivang: before you set the freq manually, please upgrade xresprobe10:47
sivangfabbione : doing that now.10:47
fabbioneand please show me again the output from it10:47
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sivangfabbione : ofcourse ;-)10:48
hiweedSo I can make my own customized version of Ubuntu.10:48
pittiplovs: I can reproduce the error10:48
pittiplovs: now I can start hacking :-)10:48
plovspitti, suffering is always nicer together with somebody else, good luck10:49
pittiplovs: it is still nice that you discovered this before I uploaded the packages10:50
pittiplovs: good to have some selected victims^Wtest users before the official rollout :-)10:50
plovspitti, my pleasure10:50
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plovspitti, it's good to give something back to what seems to become a *really* neat distro10:51
pittiplovs: I agree. In fact warty is already the best distro for powerpc10:52
pittiplovs: on i386 it's still not as smooth as SuSE or Mandrake, but I think we get closer...10:52
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plovspitti, even if warty doesn't get it completely right, well it is only the first one, suse it at 9.110:54
pittiplovs: that's right.10:54
plovspitti, but you should be hacking not chatting :-) , so I'll shut up now, and get back to work10:55
pittiplovs: OTOH, it will take us 5 years to reach 9.x :-)10:55
pittiplovs: I can do multitasking. I let hal package build while I irc :-)10:55
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plovspitti, what do you use to make your own repository?10:57
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pittiplovs: arch?10:58
pittiplovs: or deb?10:58
plovspitti, deb10:59
pittiplovs: apt-ftparchive sources . | gzip > Sources.gz10:59
pittiplovs: same for s/sources/packages/11:00
plovspitti, ok11:00
plovspitti, dinertime, happy hackin' !11:01
pittiplovs: it's not even lunch here :-)11:01
pittiplovs: it's time for reboot here, my hal has crashed heavily11:02
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MyKq3i need to ask u something, about nautilus....  i have Gnome 2.8 with Nautilus 2.8.0 and for some resone i don't have the BrowsBar ( the bar whish come under the title bar)  do u know how can i add it ?11:36
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joemMyKq3, switch to browse mode11:37
joemoption is in prefs under behavior11:37
joembrowser view11:37
MyKq3okay i will try that 11:38
joemcan also right click -browse folder if you only want it for a certain folder11:38
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malikshey! am really amazed to see that ubuntu ships free of cost11:39
MyKq3u mean under file management pref. > behavior tab ?11:39
malikshave registered @ shipit!11:39
malikswhen can i expect the cd11:40
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MyKq3cuse i don't c the browser view opsion 11:40
MyKq3okay i have found it 11:41
MyKq3thankz man 11:41
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Fpanelhey i order 100cd even thou i need 1000 for my LUG but i though its un far on you guys ordering so many so i desided to order 100 and give out to only 100 people should i make that order 1000 or leave it at 100?11:41
joemthe more the better I imagine11:42
joemdoesn't take much to make copies of cds11:42
maliksI ordered 3 CDS11:42
Fpanelok so i am not abusing if i order 1000?11:42
Fpanelbecaus ethat will be quite a lot for delivery11:42
Fpanelto australia11:43
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maliksHey! When can I expect the UBuntu free cd to be delivered to my house in India?11:43
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Fpaneland any way not everyone will want one so should i keep it at 100 or put it up to 100011:43
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carlosmaliks: end of octuber11:44
spikebhow do i remove grub from the mbr and put ntloader back?11:44
sivangfabbione : ok, xresprobe = 11:45
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maliksyou mean END OF OCTOBER!!11:45
fabbioneFpanel: set the topic back please11:46
sivangfabbione : ok, xresprobe = 30-96, 50-16011:46
maliksWhoa! Isn't that a bit late ( though I shouldn't mind since its free)11:46
zenwhenthe topic is wounded :(11:46
spikebahh, fixmbr.11:46
fabbionesivang: well that's what the monitor tells to the video card11:46
fabbionesivang: you can try to force higher frequencies but i am pretty sure the driver will discard them11:47
maliksAre you sure its going to be end of OCTOBER Carlos?11:47
pl0vsanybody having problems starting gnome? up-to-date ubuntuinstall on nvidia, worked yesterday11:47
sivangfabbione : could you please repeat what you told me to set on the x conf file before?11:47
pl0vsit hangs on the splash-screen11:48
fabbioneHorz 30-14011:48
fabbioneVert is ok11:48
sivangfabbione : ok. lemme check that for a sec.11:48
maliksLOOKS LIKE I will really have to download the CD instead of waiting for it till the end of October. Thanks for the help CARLOS11:48
carlosmaliks: sorry, I had a phone call11:48
maliksuh ok11:48
carlosmaliks: the cd ship will be the final Warty release11:49
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maliksso they wont ship me something right now?11:49
cef_workFpanel: please don't touch the topic11:49
carlosit will be released in about 15 days so that timeline is normal11:49
carlosmaliks: right11:49
maliksyou have any idea why there are shipping free11:49
cef_workmaliks: cos they want people to use it?11:50
maliksWon't that burn a BIG hole in their pocket11:50
carlosmaliks: it's a way to promote it and help people that is not able to downlaod it to use Ubuntu :-)11:50
maliksyaa maybe11:50
maliksbut it is so susceptible to ABUSE11:50
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zenwhencarlos, on the same note, is dialup configuration simple in ubuntu?11:50
maliksanyone cud order CDs just like that11:50
y0annand the fouder of the projet have the money to do it11:50
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maliksand that too just for nothing11:50
cef_workfabbione: I just did that11:51
fabbionei was copy&pasting and i didn't see you did it ;)11:51
sivangfabbione : xphome telling me that 100Hz is usable is , a fake? gnome won't let me choose higher than 8011:51
maliksHey! Can anyone tell me whther a forum for Ubuntu exists?11:51
cef_workfabbione: tsk tsk.. next you'll be committing changes to X.org for the same bug at the same time as daniel and just applying them anyway11:51
carloszenwhen: I never did it, we have the GNOME System Tools that help you with that, but I'm not sure its state, sorry11:52
sivangfabbione : I have a really bad flickering problem, and on "100hz" it vanishes - i really want to try make it work.11:52
fabbionesivang: please try the freq i wrote before. You will have to restart X completely11:52
fabbionesivang: these changes need to go in XF86Config-411:52
fabbionegnome doesn't know enough about X to handle these thing properly11:53
Fpanelwhat happens if someone un sudo thems self/11:53
maliksok bye everyone; thanks for the answer carlos (will wait for the CDs!)11:53
fabbionecef_work: ehhe11:53
cef_workfabbione: then again, we can always blame it on daniel *grin*11:53
fabbionecef_work: of course11:53
sivangfabbione : already tried, didn't give much difference. I am restarting GDM as well11:54
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sivangfabbione : no luck. leaving only "100" on the vert keeps preventing the server from booting11:54
kunderacan anybody tell me where the apt repositories for ubuntu are ?11:54
sivangfabbione : trying lower value11:55
kunderai cant find them .11:55
sivangfabbione : is there a way to force a refresh rate once in X ?11:55
kunderaanybody ?11:55
fabbionesivang: one value isn't enough11:56
sivangkundera : try wiki.ubuntu.com/archive11:56
kunderathanx sivang11:56
fabbionesivang: send me the /var/log/Xfree86.0.log or put it somewhere on the web where i can grab it11:56
fabbioneI am of for lunch11:56
sivangfabbione : bot appetit11:56
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pl0vswhere can I see gnome-log files, i'm stuck at the spash-screen11:59
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kunderacan anybody tell me what to put in sources.list12:01
kunderafor setting up apt for ubuntu12:02
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carloskundera: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main universe12:03
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kunderasee you later 12:08
kunderabye for now12:08
fabbionesivang: can i see the X logs?12:13
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sivangfabbione : yes, sorry a sec - i was doing something else12:16
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sivangfabbione : please hand in your email adrs12:16
fabbionefabbione@canonical.com 12:16
sivangfabbione : ok, would you like a log produced after it won't accept 100Hz ? or a regular running one with standard range freqs?12:17
fabbionesivang: boths is better12:18
sivangfabbione : ok, you'll have them in 5 minutes.12:19
sivangfabbione : would it matter if I "$ startx" or log in from GDM?12:22
fabbioneno. it makes no difference12:23
fabbioneor at least it shouldn't12:23
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baietasLOVE IT! :)12:24
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sivangfabbione : ok, preparing you en email with both confs logs, and xresprobe and ddcprobe outpus12:27
fabbionesivang: ok thanks12:27
sivangfabbione : reached you yet?12:33
MyKq3 can i use XORG with my Ubuntu?12:33
sivangfabbione : has xorg reported to be better (hardware wise support) then XFree86 ?12:34
baietasI have no video for my DVD/DVX/ XVid is that normal?12:34
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fabbione(II) NVIDIA X Driver  1.0-6111  Tue Jul 27 07:56:22 PDT 200412:34
fabbionesivang: please use the nv driver12:34
fabbionesivang: i can't debug the nvidia binary driver12:35
fabbione(WW) NVIDIA(0): The user specified HorizSync "30.000-140.000" has been12:36
fabbione(WW) NVIDIA(0):      adjusted to "30.000-96.000" (the intersection with12:36
fabbioneso the driver overrides your options12:36
danielsfabbione: hooray!12:36
danielsi love the nvidia driver12:36
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fabbionesivang: also.. which resolution are you asking to your videocard?12:37
fabbionesivang: it has "only" 32Mb of ram12:37
fabbioneand perhaps it can't handle 100Hz12:37
fabbione(if you go too high in res)12:37
fabbione+ it's an old model12:37
plovsanybody working on bonobo-problems? desktop hangs until bonobo is killed12:39
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sivangfabbione : 1024x768 vert 100hz. which used to work on yucksP ;)12:45
sivangfabbione : i don't ask much ;)12:45
sivangfabbione : ok, i'll try with the open source driver12:46
sivangfabbione : go ?12:46
fabbionesivang: yes please try the free driver12:47
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fabbionethe commercial one is good for one thing only...12:47
fabbione3d and cat nvidia_drv.o > /dev/toilet/paper/4/layer12:48
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plovsplovs, talking to myself, filed bug: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=186112:54
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baietashey.. where is .xinitrc in ubuntu?12:58
vrlnin ~/.xinitrc12:59
vrlnyou have to make it, it might not be there as default12:59
baietasoh thank you kind sir ;12:59
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oscar_help please!01:00
oscar_i have a mosue cursor in the center of the screen, ecept for the one that follows the mose..01:00
oscar_i've removed every mouse section in XF86Config-4 except the synaptics one i'm using.01:01
oscar_it goes away after a while some times, but can also come back..01:01
trukulooscar_: i don't understand01:03
baietasme either01:03
baietaswhat do you mean mouse cursor in the center of the screen?01:04
thomoscar_: you need to use a software cursor rather than the hardware one01:04
oscar_well, it looks like a mouse cursor, like the X one..01:04
sivangfabbione : darn, i have to disable framebuffer now01:04
pisukeseems that the mouse cursor comes and goes01:04
oscar_i've got one that i use with the touchpad..01:04
oscar_and then there's one formed like an X that doesn't move01:05
oscar_looks like the one that xdm uses01:05
trukuloi still don't understand, sorry :(01:05
oscar_thom, how do you mean?01:05
thomoscar_: wait, finding the bug report01:06
sivangfabbione : how do I specify in XF86Config-4 that I do not wish to use the framebuffer device?01:06
sivangfabbione : nm. found it01:07
MyKq3how can i put the trashbin on my DT?01:08
sivangfabbione : nv driver triggered CRT to non display mode. it went power saving01:08
thomoscar_: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/002085.html01:09
oscar_thom, i'll check, cheers01:09
fabbionesivang: just a second. we might need the new nv driver. i am upload X right now for it01:09
baietasanybody know where's the file i need to chage to remove /windows from mounting automatically?01:10
fabbionesivang: http://people.no-name-yet.com/~fabbione/nv/i386/01:10
ioslipstreambaietas: /etc/fstab01:10
fabbionesivang: grab these 2 files and copy them into /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/01:10
fabbionesivang: and restart X01:10
oscar_restart x.01:10
baietasioslipstream: oh yeah thats right .. thank you:)01:11
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sivangfabbione : i'll add your source ;)01:12
torbHello, has anyone gotten playback of encryptes dvd's working on amd64?01:12
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sivangfabbione : can I add your ppl to my sources.list and have the apt do magic?01:12
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fabbionesivang: no01:13
bob2hm, after my first reboot since a dist-upgrade earlier this week, I can't boot anymore01:13
fabbioneit's not an apt-getable package01:13
baietashmmm... looks ok... /windows vfat (i have fat32) but at boot it starts to fsck it and it fails badly... any ideeas?01:13
fabbionesivang: the same fix will be available in the archive in approx 3 hours01:13
sivangfabbione : ok01:13
bob2torb: you'll need libdvdcss.01:15
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torbbob2: I have built and installed it from www.videolan.org's debian archive, however totem-xine claims that it can't play encrypted dvd's (it stops after displaying some copyrightnotices)01:16
bob2torb: is it using it?01:17
torbbob2: How can I tell?01:17
bob2strace it, I guess.01:17
bob2strace totem-xine 2>&1 | grep -i dvdcss01:18
sivangfabbione : what's the fix bug# ?01:18
torbbob2: It didn't produce any output, so totem doesn't use dvdcss? Can I tell it to do so?01:18
fabbionesivang: hold on...01:18
fabbionesivang:     (Closes: #269025, #268759, #271235, #270228, #271071, #270714)01:19
fabbionesivang: from the Debian BTS01:19
fabbionesivang: probably more than that01:19
bob2torb: does xine use it?01:19
bob2I'm not even sure what totem is.01:19
torbtotem is the default mediaplayer in gnome, it can use libxine as a backend. Xine does an open("/usr/lib/libdvdcss.so.2", O_RDONLY) = 1401:20
MyKq3 when i m trying to c a movie i get a blank screen ... do u know whats that name of the codec pack?01:20
sivangfabbione : fabbi, you an italiano? (just saw your AMAZING ubuntu pasta)01:22
fabbionesivang: hehehe yeah01:22
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sivangfabbione : you'd better watch out putting pics of this, I might come pay you a visit claim to taste the wonderfull ubuntu_pasta :-)))01:22
fabbionesivang: welcome to pass by :-)01:23
bob2torb: so xine works but totem doesn't?01:23
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sivangfabbione : what's the pasta's kind? (i know trotalini, raviloli etc)01:25
torbbob2: xine doesn't work, it too claims that the dvd is encrypted and stops playing. I have tried to rebuild the libxine0 package, but it failed so I went here to check if there was an easy way to get things working.01:25
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fabbionesivang: bucatini alla amatriciana, but that's a special variant i did for the ubuntu release. more spicy than the original ones01:27
torbbob2: vlc plays the dvd but has a bug on amd64 which prevents it from playing the discs soundtrack01:27
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bob2torb: ah, ouch...guess ask on ubuntu-users, sure someone will know01:28
plovspitti, any news on the hal-front?01:28
pittiplovs: unfortunately not, this is pretty complicated01:28
pittiplovs: I'm working on it01:28
torbbob2: thanks for your time!01:29
plovspitti, no hurry it works if I sync by hand01:29
bob2torb: np, sorry I couldn't be of more use01:29
pittiplovs: nevertheless the raw device must not be mounted; this will screw up your stick01:29
plovsplovs, yes, that would be unfortunate01:30
sivangfabbione : boy, that makes me pasta hungry...:-)01:30
sivangfabbione : anyways, I copied that files. now what?01:31
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pebkacallo, anyone alive?01:31
fabbionesivang: restart X01:32
pebkaci was just wondering if there's some graphical wrapper to manage services out there for ubuntu, as i'm a bit unfamiliar with debian?  also, is there any plan to include adsl support?01:32
pebkaceven a little text guide about what's safe to enable/disable would suffice.01:33
sivangfabbione : recreate the 2 log files? one with the range, the other with a specific freq?01:33
fabbionesivang: does X start?01:33
bob2pebkac: it includes "adsl support".01:33
sivangfabbione : yes it does. it currently uses the freq range01:33
fabbionesivang: ok.. so what is missing now?01:34
fabbionesivang: is it running at 100Hz?01:34
sivangfabbione : no :-( 01:35
sivangfabbione : same 8501:35
fabbionesivang: at which resolution?01:36
sivangfabbione : it takes longer for the server to start01:36
fabbionesivang: because it can easily be a video card limitation01:36
sivangfabbione : i have used the same video card, on a xphom inst. and it did 100hz01:36
fabbionesivang: yes, i know that it takes longer. the 2 files are compiled with debugging support. once you will upgrade to ubunut22 it will take less time01:37
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fabbionesivang: send me the log of the running session and the configuration file01:37
sivangfabbione : 1024x768 , 85hz01:37
sivangfabbione : ok01:38
sivangfabbione : what's the "hack" kind of thing with CRT modes? how come they all have one mode ?01:38
fabbionesivang: that is for LCD, not CRT. i misunderstood FLAT with LCD01:38
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pebkacbob2: where?  i didn't see any mention of it on the menus.  or is it using rp-pppoe, andi need to type "adsl-setup?"01:40
bob2pebkac: pppoeconf.01:40
pebkacah, yes.  thanks.01:40
pebkacany thoughts on the services manager or a little helpful guide somewhere?01:41
bob2if you don't want it running, don't install it.01:41
bob2or "rcconf" or "update-rc.d".01:41
pebkaci'm not really given a choice about what services start up at default, hence my question.01:42
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Fpanelis there any chance ubuntu will port YaST to debian/ubuntu?01:44
Fpanelas YaST is now GPL'd01:44
Fpanelmaybe by the next relest?01:44
pebkacoi.  yast is so bloated.01:44
Fpanelwe know01:45
Fpanelbut it is the best01:45
KamionFpanel: relatively unlikely01:46
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Fpanelwell any chance of a GUI?01:47
sivangfabbione : sent01:48
fabbionesivang: and the config file?01:48
sivangfabbione : on it's way01:48
Kamiongnome-system-tools is our preferred administration GUI, and there are already plenty of bits of it in Ubuntu01:48
Kamionwe'll be improving it rather than replacing it, I should imagine01:49
Fpanelisnt YaST an installer?01:49
plovsKamion, nicest would be something like osx's system preferences01:51
bob2porting Yet Yet Yet Another Installer to Debian seems pretty pointless01:51
bob2especially given what a nice base d-i is01:51
fabbionesivang: clearly... either your video card or your monitor do not support 100Hz. xphome lies01:52
fabbionesivang: otherwise try to reduce the depth to 16 bit and see if that helps01:53
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Fpanelso well there ever be a GUI installer for debian besides the one progeny ported and linspire made.....01:54
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fabbioneFpanel: that's planned for Hoary01:55
fabbione(next release is approx 6 months)01:55
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maswanMithrandir: The installer kernel logs a gazillion dma errors and stuff regarding mptbase when creating filesystems, a process which is very slow. Familiar problem?01:55
sivangfabbione : ok, reduce depth, retry if it makes 98hz?01:56
Fpanelhoary is the next one?01:56
fabbionesivang: yes01:56
fabbioneFpanel: yes01:56
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Fpanelany ideas on how it will look like?01:57
bob2Fpanel: what's the advantage of a "GUI installer"?01:58
fabbionebob2: "click next -> next -> next -> done"01:58
fabbioneinstead of hitting enter :-)01:58
fabbionea mouse is cheaper than a keyboard ;)01:58
Fpaneln00bs will be more willing to install debian instead of red hat or suse01:58
Treenaksi still dont understand that argument.. gui is not inherently easier01:59
bob2me either01:59
fabbioneit's just cosmetic01:59
plovsTreenaks, it isn't but it is inherently easier to sell01:59
bob2it seems like those "if only it did $foo, everyone would use it!"01:59
plovsa good kickstart-disk is much nicer then a gui installer02:00
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Qo-noSDoesn't Slackware have an installer that is but ncurses-based? And does it not work? ;)02:00
plovsQo-noS, slacks installer is like freebsd installer nice and easy, but not for non-geeks02:01
bob2ubuntu's is already "hit enter, enter, enter, hostname?, enter, enter, reboot"02:01
bob2probably not even that many "enters"02:01
Treenaksbob2: you're forgetting <arrow-left> <enter> for the partitions..02:02
Qo-noSplovs: can't see how that theory of yours can stick i.e. doesn't win2k  has an ncurses installer too? Do you mean we need geeks to install win2k then? ;)02:02
maswanand you have to chose language and location02:02
bob2Treenaks: oh, yeah02:03
bob2that makes it completely different ;-)02:03
Fpanelwhen i installed linux on my first com i fund d-i a lot easier to use than mandrakes installer becasue d-i booted and mandrake didnt because it didnt have driver for my hardware02:03
Fpanelso in the long run it was better for me02:03
plovsQo-noS, I do computer support for windows, the (beginning of) the w2k installer scared a lot of users02:03
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KamionFpanel: it'll be a GTK frontend over d-i, probably with some customized widgets for the complicated bits02:04
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KamionFpanel: considering the prototype doesn't boot yet, though, it's difficult to say what it'll look like ;)02:04
solowlrgreetings all02:04
plovsKamion, qtparted?02:04
Kamionplovs: no02:04
Fpanelso it will work on our custermized debian distros?02:05
KamionI said GTK, didn't I? :)02:05
Qo-noSplovs: it not scare any of me the uncles and aunties in me nieghborhood though ;) otherwise they won't be running nothing else but win2k atm02:05
plovsKamion, because of the qt-part?02:05
Kamionplovs: Ubuntu doesn't support qt at all right now, so I'm not inclined to introduce a dependency on it in the installer02:05
Kamionanyway the partitioner needs to do other things beyond plain parted-ery02:05
solowlrwhat would be the equivalent of "ipconfig /all" in Linux? i'm trying to figure out why my Ubuntu installation isn't picking up the DNS servers from DHCP02:05
Fpaneli use GTK02:05
KamionFpanel: right, much of the work will be done in Debian for practical/other reasons02:05
Treenakssladen: ifconfig02:06
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KamionTreenaks: ->solowlr02:06
plovsKamion, resizing ntfs is off-course a must for many users, this is the only thing i like about mandrake02:06
Fpanelthe only QT program i use is one that i am porting to GTK02:06
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RAYITOhi everyone!!02:06
Kamionplovs: sure, but if/when parted gets that support we'll get it more or less automatically02:06
RAYITOdoes anybody have a HP ZV5000 or a Compac R3000?02:06
TreenaksKamion: yes.. too many people with the same first letters02:06
Kamionwell, somebody would have to write a small shim in partman, but that's easy02:06
TreenaksKamion: so my <tab> gets confused02:07
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solowlronly thing in ifconfig is it doesn't show me DNS info, just IP and MAC info02:07
plovsKamion, will there be kick-start support02:07
RAYITOdoes anybody have a HP ZV5000 or a Compac R3000?02:07
bob2solowlr: cat /etc/resolv.conf02:07
RAYITOif so, please send a private02:07
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thomplovs: it's a goal for Hoary, yes02:08
Treenakstwhat is kick-start?02:08
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plovsthom, very nice, that would make deploying a piece of cake02:08
thomTreenaks: redhat scriptable installation system02:08
thom(like FAI)02:08
Treenaksthom: ah ok scriptable installation :)02:08
RAYITOhey! any amd64 user??02:08
thomRAYITO: i am02:08
solowlrresolv.conf is empty, i suppose therein lies my problem, although I've set Ubuntu for DHCP02:09
maswanRAYITO: trying to02:09
bob2solowlr: try running "dhclient eth0" manually.02:09
bob2solowlr: are you using a windows dhp server?02:09
solowlryup, Windows 2000 server DHCP02:10
RAYITOI'm having problems with X02:10
bob2solowlr: try "pump -i eth0".02:10
RAYITOworks fine whit x8602:10
RAYITOnot with amd6402:10
thomRAYITO: ok. what's the exact problem? doesn't start, bad resolution, ...02:11
RAYITOit does not matter the driver I use02:11
thomgar, microbreak02:11
maswanRAYITO: well, can't help you there, none of my 200:ish amd64s have X.02:11
RAYITOit tries to start the crashes02:11
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solowlri think i know what the problem is, i'm not logged in as root02:11
RAYITOthe chip is a nVidia02:12
bob2solowlr: you don't need to login as root.02:12
cliffRAYITO: whats the error message ?02:12
bob2solowlr: use "sudo dhclient eth0" or whatever.02:12
solowlr"permission denied"02:12
thomRAYITO: an nvidia _what_? :-)02:12
solowlrwait, the sudo worked...02:12
RAYITOI can't read, becouse when it crashes everithing moves and it's impossible to read!02:12
fabbioneRAYITO: lspci -n02:13
cliffRAYITO: when it's done, you should be able to see the last few lines.02:13
RAYITOnVidia GeForce02:13
fabbioneRAYITO: sorry.. only lspci02:13
cliffotherwise check in /var/log for and XFree86.log02:13
RAYITOok, I'll try02:13
cliffprobably says "No Screens Found"02:13
RAYITOthanks! I'm new in this!02:13
solowlrthat's odd, i get a successful dhcp but still no DNS entries02:13
Kosaisolowlr: Perhaps the DHCP server isn't giving you any.02:14
RAYITOI'll try and tell you tomorrow02:14
cliffRAYITO: whats wrong with now ?02:15
RAYITOoops, I'm at work02:15
RAYITOhere we use the "dark side" OS02:15
KosaiRAYITO: You mean.. *gasp*.. FreeBSD?02:15
cliffKosai: I think he means windows :P02:16
KamionKosai: (Hm, do you own a copy of Windows? I don't, but borrowing one for testing might be useful ...)02:17
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RAYITOI have the one that came with the laptop02:18
RAYITOI'm in Spain02:18
KosaiKamion: No, don't run it at all, sorry.02:18
KosaiKamion: I can probably get hold of a CD from lab, if that's useful.02:18
KamionKosai: no worries, I'll ask on #chiark to see if anyone has one handy02:19
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ASoliD^hello, is it possible to change konsole backround?02:29
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cliffASoliD^: Konsole as in the terminal emulator ?02:30
ASoliD^im tierd of watching a white screen02:31
ASoliD^i want to put a picture in there...02:31
cliffthe options alone the top should have something you can change.02:31
cliffthe menu bar that is.02:31
cliff(sorry I don't use Konsole)02:31
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cliffin fact, right click in the terminal02:32
cliffthere is a settings menu option02:32
LinuxJonesgood morning all02:32
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ASoliD^thanks cliff02:33
cliffASoliD^: does that solve your problem ?02:34
cliffk cool.02:34
ASoliD^a question has poped into my mind: why doesnt ubuntu bome with a built-in GCC?02:38
TreenaksASoliD^: it does, apt-get install build-essential02:38
ASoliD^that i know02:38
ASoliD^but in the install, why doesnt it have GCC?02:38
LinuxJonesASoliD^, the developers feel that most users will not be compiling much software02:38
ASoliD^hmm... i had to compile about 35674765 times already...02:39
TreenaksASoliD^: have to? did you look in universe first?02:39
TreenaksASoliD^: that, and you're one user. we're talking "most users" here02:40
lizhow do you get the apt-get sources.list to access the net instead of cdrom02:40
lizive tried editing the file, but it wont let me02:40
Treenaksliz: remove the cdrom line :)02:40
LinuxJonesliz, comment out the cdrom section in /etc/apt/sources.lst02:40
bob2liz: you need root priveleges to edit it02:40
ASoliD^sudo /etc/apt/sources.list02:40
bob2liz: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list02:40
ASoliD^oh right... forgot the nanao...02:41
liznever used nano before..interesting02:42
lizthank you02:42
ASoliD^im pretty happy with ubuntu02:42
ASoliD^its a fine release02:42
cliffI find it easiest to "sudo bash" then edit or whatever you need.02:42
cliffreduces the amount of crud in your logs as well02:42
tsengsudo -s02:43
thomcliff: sudo -s -H is the preferred idiom for that02:43
cliffthom: thats works too.02:43
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ASoliD^im pretty much a graphical linux n00b, what good graphical edeting progies work with linux? (Photoshop, FlashMX etc...)02:47
lizhow do you save in nano?02:47
LinuxJonesASoliD^, you know about the Gimp ?02:47
lizi normally use vi02:47
cliffliz: control O02:47
LinuxJonesliz, ctrl + alt + o02:48
cliffalt ?02:48
cliffsince when ?02:48
LinuxJonesthat's what I use02:48
ASoliD^Gimp? never heard about it... does it come defoult with ubuntu?02:48
Chrifferdoesnt nano list the keys at the bottom?02:48
cliffASoliD^: sodipodi also, but thats for vector graphics.02:48
ASoliD^it does02:48
LinuxJonesASoliD^, it's probably installed already, it is very powerfull but the interface is different02:48
cliffChriffer: yes.02:49
Chrifferctrl x exits nano and asks if you want to save02:49
ASoliD^cliff, vector graphics are my favorites02:49
LinuxJonesASoliD^, Applications >> Graphics and take a look02:49
ASoliD^thanks LinuxJones02:49
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LinuxJonesASoliD^, sure02:50
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cliffASoliD^: there is also Ink Scape02:50
ASoliD^oh! The Gimp has layer support! owsome!02:50
cliffASoliD^: wouldn't be much use without it ;)02:51
thomfor vector graphics, use InkScape rather than sodipodi02:52
ASoliD^inkscape eh... does Macromedia's Flash MX has linux support?02:53
cliffInkScape is a fork of sodipodi.02:53
Qo-noSASoliD^: yes02:53
Qo-noSASoliD^: http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash02:54
ASoliD^im not interested in the player02:56
ASoliD^but in the software02:56
Treenaksyou can install flash automagically by clicking the 'install plugin' button in firefox02:57
ASoliD^i wanted to know if Flash MX itself supports linux02:57
KosaiIt does not.02:58
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Qo-noSASoliD^: oops read you wrong there...thought you wanted to know if Flash works under Linux sorry ;)03:00
ASoliD^its ok03:01
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LinuxJonesI have never used a wiki before, is there a how-to to add a page for submission to the faq ?03:02
LinuxJoneswhiprush, thanks03:06
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Maydaydoes anyone know if gossip support anything else than jabber atm?03:25
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Unicat_<- QuakeNet ;)03:47
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VampisI need to use Character set ISO-8859-1 but I cant find it.. what do I do to install it?03:51
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sanitariowhere was that ubuntu-mono repos again?04:02
sanitarioor is it 'where were'?04:02
Treenakssanitario: look at the faq04:02
sanitarioTreenaks: I just did... possibly I'm blind... 04:04
sanitarioTreenaks: ah, wrong faq ;)04:04
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sanitarioTreenaks: hm, ok, but didn't tseng have an unofficial repos for mono? 04:05
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sanitarionm, found it04:05
sanitariooscar_: hello04:05
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oscar_sanitario, hey!04:07
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oscar_got the cursor removed .)04:08
sanitariooscar_: nice04:08
Vampisoscar_, tippex04:08
_axelhi, i cant seem to type accenter or spanish characters in ooo, i have locale set to es_ES and ooo is set to everything spanish, i get spanish menus and etc04:08
sanitariooscar_: I just reinstalled, fscked up X 04:08
oscar_Vampis, tippex?04:08
VampisPaint over the cursor04:08
oscar_sanitario, que?04:09
_axeli installed openoffice.org-l10n-es and i can type properly in the terminal and gtk apps but not in ooo - can someone help?04:09
oscar_ X.org fucked up?04:09
danielsoscar_: ?04:09
pisuke_axel, works for me. spanish here.04:10
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pisuke_axel, there was an update of oo.org04:10
sanitariooscar_: no, I was veeery stupid. 04:10
oscar_sanitario, what did you do?04:10
pisuke_axel, are you up to date?04:10
sanitariooscar_: I installed x.org over xfree8604:11
_axelpisuke: nope, but i suspect it has nothing with the update04:11
sanitariooscar_: then thought that I hadn't, and rm -r /usr/X11R604:11
oscar_sanitario, maybee you should have removed xfree86?04:11
sanitariooscar_: maybe I should have installed it in /usr/local ...04:11
oscar_sanitario, so now you're left without x?04:11
pisuke_axel, who knows remember warthy is a beta04:12
sanitariooscar_: no, I was, now I have reinstalled. got too tired to work out all dependencies04:12
oscar_sanitario, you should have tar cvvf x.tar X11R604:12
oscar_sanitario, then rm -rf X11R604:12
sanitariooscar_: shoulda, woulda, coulda. 04:13
oscar_sanitario, and then install x.org04:13
oscar_sanitario, :)04:13
oscar_or :(04:13
sanitariooscar_: is vampis a friend of yours? 04:13
_axelpisuke: could you msg me the output of 'locale' in your box?04:13
oscar_sanitario, he's next to me04:13
sanitariooscar_: cool04:14
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sanitariothis is so not my day. 04:14
oscar_sanitario, does swedish characters work allrigt for you?04:14
sanitariooscar_: yup04:14
plovspitti, I just rebooted and I can unmount my zip-drive now04:14
oscar_sanitario, you'll just have to keeo trying..04:15
pittiplovs: good to hear; I did some other things in the meantime, I need some more time to fix hal04:15
_axelhmm, same here04:15
plovspitti, to make things more confusing, now it works ok04:15
_axelfunny cuz ooo is the ONLY program i care about being able to type in spanish04:15
pittiplovs: I prepared my USB stick exactly like you did, I can reproduce it04:16
pisuke_axel, i have ooo in english, but can type accents 04:16
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_axelthats what i used to have04:16
_axelthen a while ago i apt-got oo-l10n-es and it turned to spanish, but still no accents04:17
pisukeconsider updating04:17
_axeli just did04:17
plovspitti, ok, btw my zip-drive is mounted on my desktop as a disk not as a zip-drive (wrong icon)04:17
_axelstill doesnt work, no accents, no 's, no shit04:17
pittiplovs: can you please file a bug about this?04:17
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pisuke_axel, :(04:18
plovspitti, sure, but first diner!04:18
crashd_my pppoeconf don't work at boot. I have download the "New pppoeconf" from https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1153 . how I make it to work?In /usr/sbin I cannot add file .thx04:18
_axelis there any ooo channel in freenode?04:19
_axelah yes04:20
_axelwill bitch them there04:20
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sivang /whois fabbione04:53
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crashd_my pppoeconf don't work at boot. I have download the "New pppoeconf" from https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1153 . In /usr/sbin I cannot add file. which it is the procedure?thank you04:55
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emaanybody knows why php works only with scripts owned by root?04:57
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HcEema: try setting mode 644 on the script?04:58
elimis the ppc kernel in ubuntu setup to enable a bootsplash?04:58
emaHcE: nope, it doesn't work04:58
HcEwhat user does your webserver run as?04:59
emaHcE: morevoer, it seems that the installation of php4 don't change anything in /etc/apache/modules.conf05:00
Kamionelim: no, bootsplash was deferred until after warty, it isn't set up on any architecture05:00
HcEema: you run apache1 or 2 ?05:00
emaHcE: I had to manually run apache-modconf05:00
emaHcE: 105:00
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HcEema: weird, I would gess it has something to do with eiter a directory rule or some mode problem05:03
emaHcE: running php4 scriptname.php works fine, though05:03
HcEseems like a bug in your apache config?05:03
emaHcE: it is the default one05:03
HcEdon't have any experience with apache1 in ubuntu, I'm just a "new" user like everybody else05:04
HcEI would look into the default settings and check for some strict rules05:04
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emaHcE: the server name was localhost rather than the machine name, pointing the browser to http://localhost/ works fine even with scripts owned by a normal user05:08
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HcEema: ok, changing the servername will make it work for the ServerName?05:09
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emaHcE: yep. it does not explain why scripts owned by root worked fine...05:10
emaHcE: but it works :)05:11
emaHcE: thanks05:11
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dropsterhi anyone could help a noob about mpeg libs ?05:18
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lamontdieman: looking at 1620 (hwclock stall)05:20
schvenkis there a GUI configuration tool for the samba server?05:20
lamontI suppose I could just do a timed read on it..05:20
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Mithrandirmaswan: on ravel?05:21
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elimhelp i keep recieving this error message when i try to play music with totem Device "/dev/dsp" does not exist.05:23
elim"Device "/dev/dsp" does not exist."05:24
elimany advise?05:24
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psyklopsgo see if it exists?05:25
dropsteri cant play mpegs in totem, something that is needed to get this done ??05:25
HcEelim: missing alsa drivers?05:25
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psyklopstry playing it again05:25
psyklopssometimes it takes 2 tries... I dunno why05:25
dropsteri have tried reboots and cursing .....05:25
elimi have alsa is installed with everything... ill try it again ok05:25
psyklopstry totem-xine05:26
dropstervia apt-get ?05:26
psyklopsand when you play, do it through the terminal, maybe you'll see some errors05:27
dropsterit gives an error about package not avail, maybe its because i run the amd64 release ?05:28
dropsterwhich runs very nicely here :)05:28
psyklopstry apt-cache search xine05:28
elimok, i have just installed normal totem not gstreamer and hoepefully when its installed it will work.05:28
psyklopsoh... I wasn't talking to you, elim05:28
psyklopsbut hey, if using totem fixes it, I'll take the glory05:29
dropsterhmm totem-xine isnt there - only totem-gstreamer and some libs - maybe libxinel ?05:29
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elimbut hay it worked even if u werent05:30
psyklopselim: YAYYYY05:30
psyklopsI r so smrt05:30
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psyklops(wow... too much coffee)05:31
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psyklopsdropster: run totem in a terminal05:31
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dropsterstill no do, sounds fine though ....05:32
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psyklopsit shows a blue screen?05:33
Kameli am a bit curious, would you say that ubuntu is closer in style to slackware or mandrake?05:33
dropsteri tried apt-get install libxinel but it cant find the package05:33
dropsternope the screens all black05:33
elimits like debian05:33
Kameli see05:33
psyklopsdropster: you don't see any errors in the terminal?05:33
Kameli haven't gotten the chance to try it yet, but i want to05:33
dropsternope nada05:34
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psyklopsdropster: I don't know how to help you05:34
jeldhello all05:34
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elimim watching blade 1105:36
elimkinda off topic but hay..05:37
dropsterill try apt-get upgrade and hope05:38
jelddropster: whats up?05:38
dropsterjeld: cant get totem to play mpegs05:38
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dropsterjeld: sound is fine but just black screen05:38
jelddropster: totem-gstreamer or totem-xine?05:38
dropsterjeld: totem-gstreamer05:39
jelddropster: replace with totem-xine, it is more stable05:39
dropsterjeld: this is the amd64 version of ubuntu05:39
dropsterjeld: apt-get says that totem-xine doesnt exists05:39
jeldoh, in that case I just don't know enough about x64 platform05:39
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diemanlamont: ahh05:40
diemanlamont: i'll be back in the office RSN05:40
diemanlamont: we can troubleshoot this afternoon if you want05:40
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diemanim currently trying to recover a firewall for another department05:40
diemanhw dead05:40
psyklopstry compiling from source or googling for some amd64 players05:42
psyklops(in deb format)05:42
psyklopsor rpm, actually... if you got alien05:42
dropsterill try this upgrade first maybe it fixes the problem05:42
psyklopsheh... I did that once and ended up with a system that was totally borked05:42
dropsterlive and learn :) 05:43
psyklopsthat was knoppix though05:43
dropsteri did a little mistake when i bought my mobo though05:43
lamontdieman: that'd be good.05:43
dropsterbought the asus a8v-deluxe with wifi - and the ralink chip isnt supported yet in freebsd05:44
dropsterralink have released a linux kernel driver05:44
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tof_which burning software can ii use with ubuntu ?05:50
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Kamelwell, this is just a complete stab in the dark here, but i would think probably cdrecord and k3b05:50
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dropsterwell the system still running, but ni pics in mpegs :) LOL05:52
FluFlodropster: that driver is really bad05:52
convertorwill ppc ubuntu work on old ppc - e.g.  5260 or 7200 or 5500?05:52
dropsterfluflo: the rlink one ??05:52
FluFlodropster: yes. I was not able to compile it05:52
Kamionconvertor: no, sorry, newworld only05:53
FluFlodropster: im using windows drivers with ndiswrapper and works ok05:53
dropsteri havent tried it yet, i was thinking of doind it 05:53
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FluFlodropster: but i  think the problems come from my fedora kernel05:53
dropsterfluflo: ok im also running freebsd on this box and its completely impossible to get the thing to work(at least for me)05:54
convertorKamion, ok thanks - worth a shot....got all 3 sitting around trying to be boat anchors....05:54
FluFlodropster: I know people using native linux driver with mandrake and debian  succesfuly05:54
xfcurious what the status of your amd64 installer is like; is it a usable desktop system or highly experimental currently?05:54
danielsxf: should work fine as a desktop; the only real hassle is that you need to manually pick your resolution as we can't yet autodetect it on amd6405:55
convertorKamion, how the installs going on g3/g4 macs?05:55
Kamionxf: it's a usable desktop, I have it on the right-hand monitor right now05:55
xfdaniels: daniel stone?05:55
xfoh, cool, might install it then.  playing with gentoo now, hating it :-)05:55
danielsxf: ye05:55
xfoh, hi, ryan verner05:55
Kamionconvertor: no problems I know of, my main development system is a G4 PowerBook05:55
danielsxf: oh, hey dude :)05:55
xfwait a second, is this the distro jeff waugh's working on?05:55
xfif it is, this is amusing05:55
danielsxf: sure is05:56
xfi've had it on my todo list to ask jeff about the distro he's been working on, and to install this as i heard about it05:56
xfjeff was talking about it @ la/lca meeting recently in canberra05:56
convertorKamion, cool got it going on my g3 350 imac w 1gig ram...had no probs...i love ubuntu and a couple of p3's05:56
xfdoes ubuntu work with many third party sid apt repositries?05:57
Telepconvertor: you love ubuntu and a couple of p3's? ;)05:57
convertorKamion, not love p3's :(05:57
convertorKamion, just writing my correction and u got in first... :)05:57
Telepsorry, couldn'n resist :)05:57
convertoryea good call... :)05:57
maswanMithrandir: yes. it was so bad that it didn't really manage to write most pages to disk05:58
danielsxf: most of them aren't amd64, anyway05:58
convertorcant wait for the ppc64 version....and i will say i love g5's :)05:59
xfoh, haha, good point05:59
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maswanMithrandir: checking the disk with badblocks now06:01
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Wsquare1GAIM/IRC noob question: why is /nick changing the last character of my nick to 1?06:03
Kamion(why do people say "noob" rather than "newbie"?)06:03
TybstarWsquare1: because Wsquare is already taken?06:04
Tybstaror was?06:04
UziMonkeybecause that's how it's spelled..  if you think otherwise, you don't IRC enough ;)06:04
Kamion(for that matter, I always preferred not to call people's attention to it when I was being a newbie ...)06:04
Wsquare1Kamion: ... because noob is _so_ much less to type?06:04
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Wsquare1ummm... nevermind06:04
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daesotho...sorry, wrong window06:05
dropsteranother question, the Xwindow system header files 06:05
dropsterwhere 2 get ?06:05
Kamionxlibs-dev package06:06
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KamionUziMonkey: it was never spelled that way when I started using IRC six years ago or so ...06:06
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dropsterive looked in synaptics under Development but cant see it anywhere06:06
daesothohey does ubuntu install debian so i can like install ubuntu and then have a debian system or what?06:06
Kamiondropster: it's not on the CD, you'll need to have the archive.ubuntulinux.org main repository enabled06:06
daesotho(well, when i change the sources.list)06:07
Kamiondaesotho: not really, no06:07
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dropsterkamion: sorry but how do i do that ??06:07
Kamiondaesotho: you may be able to do an upgrade run that switches to Debian, but you'll probably run into problems06:08
ema|trey|: do you remember my question about the 'standard' package list?06:08
WW_Another newb (sic) question: When I run xdvi, the top of the xdvi window is flush against the upper task bar, and the bottom of the window is _behind_ the lower task bar, so I can't resize it.  How can I fix this?06:08
ema|trey|: it seems that is a tasksel task06:08
Kamiondropster: Preferences -> Repositories in synaptic I think, sorry my Ubuntu systems are busy doing installer testing right now06:08
Kamionema: aptitude install ~tubuntu-desktop06:08
Kamionor you can get at it in the "Tasks" section of the aptitude UI06:09
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emaKamion: or running tasksel, right?06:09
Kamionema: we don't support/ship tasksel, and we haven't modified it to know about the ubuntu-desktop task, so I doubt it06:09
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emaKamion: well, running tasksel I read 'Ubuntu Configuration', so it seems modified06:10
dropsterkamion: somehow the url http://archive.ubuntulinux.org doesnt work ??06:11
dropsterkamion: it cant find the indexes06:11
Kamionema: you sure that's tasksel?06:11
Kamiondropster: what is the line in /etc/apt/sources.list?06:11
emaKamion: sudo tasksel, yep :)06:11
Kamionema: you must have installed that yourself; it's not in warty proper, only in universe06:11
dropsterive added it in synpatic06:11
emaKamion: yep, I installed it from universe06:12
schvenkhave other people had trouble mounting smb shares in nautilus?06:12
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WW_Wouldn't it be a bug if the window manager is starting a window with part of it behind the lower task bar?06:12
maswanMithrandir: seems to be working perfectly now, so an issue with the install kernel probably.06:13
Kamionema: the "Ubuntu Configuration" string is a modification to our debconf package, not to tasksel06:13
emaKamion: ah, ok06:13
maswanMithrandir: I'll let it run badblocks over the night anyway, more stuff tomorrow06:13
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theantixevolution 2.0 is *so much* better than 1.406:14
cliffI'll find out shortly06:15
WW_Arghhh... I clicked on "On Top" for the xdvi window, and now I see that the bottom of the window is off the screen.06:15
emaKamion: out of curiosity: how do you upload packages? is there something similar to debian's upload queues?06:16
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Kamionema: pretty much, except we always just upload directly to the master archive06:17
WW_Well, I can work around it by explicitly giving the -geometry option to xdvi, but that is a nuisance.06:17
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Kamionema: the archive management software is the same as Debian's06:17
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emaKamion: is there some documentation around about this stuff? I would like to learn more about your infrastructure06:18
Is_907is the PPC version of ubuntu a bootable cd image? or is it painful to set up like most PPC distros?06:18
Kamionema: not really at the moment, it'll start existing once we start having non-Canonical Ubuntu maintainers06:18
KamionIs_907: it's a bootable CD image06:19
Is_907Kamion: excellent, thanks ;)06:19
KamionIs_907: newworld powermac only, though06:19
dropsterkamion: i have uncommented the universe lines in sources.list and in synaptics theres a bunch of new stuff although it gave lots of errors06:19
Kamionshould be no more difficult to install than i386/amd64; there's one nit in partitioning that you need to be aware of if you aren't just erasing the whole disk, see the installation howto on the web site06:20
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emaKamion: ah, thanks06:20
Iceptso, what's the status on the WinXP - Ubuntu dual boot w. GRUB?06:20
KamionI thought that was a parted issue, not grub06:21
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KamionI'm looking at it06:21
Iceptoh, great06:21
Kamiontrying to figure out which of the several alternatives is least dangerous to backport06:21
IceptI don't have much experience, but I'm a victim :)06:21
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KamionIcept: is this just the "parted trashes C/H/S layout" thing?06:21
IceptI would assume so06:22
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KamionIcept: I mean, is WinXP currently unbootable for you?06:22
IceptI looked around at bugzilla.ubuntu.com06:23
Iceptand ended at this page http://lwn.net/Articles/86835/06:23
KamionI was just about to point you at that06:23
Iceptwhich recommended these commands to fix harddisk geometry - sfdisk -d /dev/hda | sfdisk --no-reread -H255 /dev/hda06:23
KamionIcept: so, can you use the instructions there to get yourself back to a working system?06:23
KamionIcept: if you can, you could then test future CD images to make sure they no longer trash the partition table ...06:24
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dropsterkamion: got it to work, thx for the pointers06:24
infoMonkeyanyone have experience mounting SMB volumes via nautlius?06:24
KamionIcept: can you mail me contact details so that I can grab you if you aren't currently on IRC? cjwatson@canonical.com06:24
Iceptof course06:25
KamionIcept: I have no machines where this could even start to be reproducible, unfortunately06:25
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Iceptah ok06:25
IceptMainly because of the operating systems in question? :D06:26
Kamionwell, that's one big reason :-)06:26
KamionI don't actually own a copy of Windows06:26
IceptI wish I hadn't become addicted to games06:26
IceptI wouldn't need one either06:27
laotseIcept get a console system06:28
laotseIcept then you can play games, and you don't need windows :)06:28
Iceptfunny you should mention it, I just bought a PS2 for Disgaea06:28
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Iceptand of course, they then announce the new slim PStwo06:29
laotseaaah! disgaea is *great*. by the way, the RPG "Nocturne" that's coming out next week for ps2 is by the same company, and is supposed to be really good, if you are into rpgs06:29
Iceptokay, cool06:29
laotsedon't worry about the slim ps2, it has no hard drive bay, keep the one you got so when you're done with it you can stick a drive in it and put linux on it ;)06:29
kagouhi guys06:29
Iceptand we come full circle06:29
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laotseIcept my dreamcast, which was my last gaming system, now runs linux06:30
laotseIcept once the ps3 comes out, that will probably be the fate of my ps2 as well ;)06:30
laotsebut yeah, I've been an RPG fan since Wizardry 1, got sick of having to have windows for games, and the ps2 has a ton of great rpgs06:31
laotseso, picked up the ps2, wiped windows off my gaming box, and I'm happy06:31
Iceptyes, that's mainly the reason I got the PS2 over the other consoles06:31
mic_Hi All  06:31
mic_is the AMD64 Vesrsion a hybrid..can run 32Bit apps?06:32
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hawksmoorhi all06:33
hawksmoorciao fabbione06:33
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Kamionhm, people seem to mistakenly assign bugs to "base-installer" an awful lot06:37
thomKamion: but all bugs are your fault ;-)06:38
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KamionI wouldn't mind so much if they assigned them to "debian-installer"; base-installer is a really specific component of d-i though06:39
Icepthmm, I wonder if I'm doing this correctly06:39
KosaiKamion: Ubuntu bugs, or Debian ones?  I can see someone assigning an Ubuntu install bug to base-install instead of debian-installer, thinking that debian-installer is, well, for the Debian one.06:40
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KamionKosai: Ubuntu bugs, and yeah ...06:40
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Kamionpeople should use UNKNOWN if they don't know, not try to guess :-)06:40
defendguini thought i installed the newest kernel but i dont see that it was added to me grob config file06:41
KosaiKamion: Or you could change debian-installer to ubuntu-installer.  Or make ubuntu-installer an alias of debian-installer just to help people pick the right component.  Or.06:41
KamionKosai: *so* not renaming debian-installer :-)06:42
infoMonkeyanyone have problems mounting SMB volumes via nautilus?06:42
KamionI'd rather people just went for UNKNOWN to be honest, since not all installer problems are actually in d-i06:42
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hawksmoorare there some bugs regarding the use of "su" that you know of? I'm feeling a little dumb 'cos it seems I can't find anything form bugzilla :-(06:50
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Kamionhawksmoor: the root account is disabled by default ...06:51
theantixhawksmoor,, try "sudo -s" to get a root terminal06:51
hawksmoorright, but using sudo you can set a password for root06:51
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ishI'm trying to change my gnome window manager with gconf-editor..06:55
ishAfter login, it always gets set back to metacity.06:55
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Keybukish: which key are you changing ?!06:56
Keybukthe fallback one?06:56
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IceptI feel like such an idiot06:57
ish - /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/current..06:57
ishhang on.06:57
IceptMy entire beef with dualbooting was solved by changing a bios value06:57
Keybukthe right way to do it is just exit metacity in your session and start another window manager instead; when you logout the session will be saved (with the change in window manager)06:58
hawksmoorKamion: what I mean is that I have a fat32 partition mounted under /windows and it is owned by root with everything inside and the system won't let me change permissions, though I used su to gain superuser privileges06:58
UziMonkeyfat32 doesn't have permissions, I don't think it makes sense to try to change perms on the files in a fat32 filesystem06:59
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hawksmoorit makes sense if there are some files that you want to use and you can't 'cos they are owned by root!07:00
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danielshawksmoor: try mounting with -o uid=100007:01
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Kamionyes, uid/umask mount options are the usual hack07:01
ishHow do you exit metacity? 07:01
hawksmoordaniels: I'll try soon, now I'm on my iMac07:02
Keybukish: normally the window manager you wish to replace it with will have some kind of "--replace" option or similar to replace the running window manager07:03
hawksmoordaniels: mount as root?07:03
danielshawksmoor: right07:04
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KamionIcept: so, your system works again?07:04
KamionIcept: I'm presuming that another attempt to install Ubuntu will kill dual-booting again07:04
ishmetacity still gets control..07:04
MyKq3i have a problem seeing movies on ububtu for some resone i can manage to load the movie but i c a blank screen. i can hear the soundz but there is no pucture ... what should i do ( i have all reasy installed mpg123 mpg321 codecs )07:06
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IceptKamion: sorry, was just out fixing some dinner. However, I strongly doubt it07:08
KamionIcept: why?07:08
IceptMainly because it was a BIOS setting07:08
Iceptthat changed the outcome07:08
KamionIcept: can it be turned back? In order for your system to be useful for testing, it needs to break ...07:08
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IceptI'll wipe the partition and reinstall07:09
KamionIcept: I didn't think the directions at http://lwn.net/Articles/86835/ involved the BIOS07:09
Iceptwhich is why it's interesting07:09
Kamionwhat BIOS setting, then?07:10
Iceptthe BIOS fix was mentioned in the Fedora Bugzilla linked off Ubuntu's own07:10
Icepttwo secs07:10
Kamionauto->LBA, you mean?07:10
KamionIcept: I think you need to use the directions from LWN before reinstalling, otherwise the drive geometry will still be broken07:10
Kamion(even with a fixed parted)07:11
Kamion(although I wouldn't swear to it)07:11
IceptI did do the steps mentioned, but that alone didn't fix it07:11
Icepthowever, I did do this before I changed the bios setting07:11
Iceptso perhaps both are nescessary07:11
Kamionbasically in order to validate the fix we need to have a system which can have Ubuntu installed and break Windows, then fix things, then have Ubuntu installed and break Windows, then fix things, then have modified-Ubuntu installed and test that it doesn't break Windows07:12
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Iceptwell, in theory, windows was never broken per se07:13
Iceptit was just unaccessible due to hardware/software settings07:14
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hawksmoorall right, it seems that my problem is bug n.1291... now how do I know if it is fixed, or under testing?07:16
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KamionIcept: "break" is shorthand :)07:21
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punkassif i enter iwconfig wlan0 essid <someid>  and   iwconfig wlan0 key restricted <somekey> and  then do a iwconfig the values are not set....where should i look?07:26
hawksmoorwife calling for dinner, see ya soon, and many many thanks, yuo're all very kind with newbies lile me .-)07:26
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Keybukpunkass: try setting the key before setting the essdid?07:31
Keybukin the time it takes you to type the key, the card might've tried the essid and abandoned it as a lost cause07:32
punkasswell neither is being set07:32
ishCan I get gnome to run xrdb over my .Xdefaults file on login?07:33
danielsi think it uses .Xdefaults anyway07:34
danielsif not, just use .Xresources :)07:34
punkassKeybuk: so the key does get set, but not the essid07:38
Keybukpunkass: iwconfig doesn't quite "set" things, like ifconfig does ... it more "hints" to the card what it might want to try next07:39
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punkassthe essid stays as off/any07:40
Keybukwhat's the card?07:40
punkassso i cant connect to the router07:40
punkassits a onboard broadcom in a dell d600 using ndiswrapper07:40
Keybukoh, it could be that the essid setting doesn't work then07:40
punkassthe bizarre thing is that i have connected before....but i dont remember doing anything different07:41
darutHi, what is so special in Ubuntu that makes this distro so popular?07:42
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MyKq3try and c 07:44
MyKq3itz gr807:44
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darutin what is it better than for example Mepis?07:46
MyKq3if u ask me then i can't anser u cuse i have not tryed Mepis07:46
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MyKq3but i can tell ya that i have beed useing ManDrakeLinux for lotz of time ... and Utuntu is much faster on my P3 machine 07:47
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punkassKeybuk: well i little more reading, it seems that its a common problem with ndiswrapper07:48
AlanHI'd like to find out more about the proposed Live CD version of Ubuntu07:49
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AlanHdoes it exist already?  I heard it wasn't included in the recent release07:49
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KamionAlanH: Alex is working on an updated version, should be available soon07:51
AlanHhow safe it is to try the ISO here http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog_2fLiveCD07:51
AlanHKamion the same Alex that is behind Morphix?  (sounds very promising)07:51
KamionAlanH: yes, same guy07:52
KamionAlanH: the ISOs there are no longer available at that location, and there have been security updates since, so I'd advise against it for now07:52
AlanHmy test machine would not have an internet connection anyway and I dont intend to install to a local disk yet, so if you could point me to an ISO image i'd appreciate it07:53
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AlanHi've had bad luck with Morphix detecting my hardware in the past, and if the Ubuntu Live CD is Morphix based I think it is time I should try again and track down the problem if it still exists 07:54
kuroishiwhere is the ubuntu grub conf?07:55
alextremethere've been heaps of hw detection updates lately, and that ubuntu livecd just popped out my burner :)07:56
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AlanHhi alextreme, i was looking forward to trying the LiveCd and even more now that I know it is based on your morphix work07:59
KamionAlanH: the old one is at http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mdz/ubuntu-live/07:59
Kamionbut might want to wait for alextreme to say how long the new version will be :)07:59
AlanHKamion thank you, I'll start burning that in just a few minutes07:59
alextremeit'll take a few hours to have it uploaded. the old version was pretty buggy07:59
mdzalextreme: great, looking forward to it07:59
AlanHalextreme i've got a stack of cheap CDs, so i dont mind burning a CD today and another tomorrow07:59
AlanHit is more convenient than the other options i have available08:00
alextremeAlanH: well, your call, i'd hate to wait too just don't expect too much of that one08:00
AlanHalextreme warning duly noted08:01
alextrememdz: think you've been looking forward to it for some time, looking at the severity updates to my bug :)08:01
diemanmdz: yeah, my test box only has 1gb of memory08:01
diemanmdz: would have to steal from someone to get more08:01
mdzalextreme: not only that, every day someone asks in here for a live CD :-)08:01
kuroishidoes ubuntu have a JRE by default?08:04
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mic_is the AMD64 Version able to run 32bit apps?08:08
mic_or is it a 64Bit only version?08:08
Kamionthere's an ia32-libs package providing some 32-bit compatibility08:08
Kamionit may well not be complete, though08:08
danielsKamion: isn't it used for ooo?08:08
Kamiondaniels: yep08:08
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KamionI think ooo has some of its own hacks as well08:09
danielsKamion: so you'd assume it was reasonably complete :) either that, or ooo is disappointing08:09
mic_so..will it be able to run the win32 codecs and mplayer?08:09
Kamionright, but I have no idea what mic_ needs :)08:09
mic_now you see :-)08:09
Kamionaha, that will be interesting because mplayer depends on some odd libraries08:09
Kamiontry it and find out :-)08:10
pisukeinstalling totem-xine is another way of being able to run win32 codecs ;-)08:11
cliffdaniels: whats ooo?08:13
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danielscliff: openoffice.org08:13
cliffoh right, I'm used to it being called just "oo"08:13
olivier__anyone knows if there is floppies for installing ubuntu ??08:15
lamontolivier__: I don't believe so08:16
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olivier__i have a laptop with no cdrom ... 08:17
lamontalthough the mini-cd's kinda fit in the floppy drive... :-)08:17
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lamontalthough it had one, just no bios support.08:17
lamontolivier__: what about network boot, does your bios allow that?08:18
olivier__i dont know i try 08:18
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AlanHon the Ubuntu bounties page Sodipodi is mentioned, does that mean Ubuntu will be using Sodipodi rather than Inkscape?  08:18
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olivier__no cannot boot from network08:19
danielsAlanH: we'll continue to see which one is better, and if either one matures enough to put in our standard distribution, we'll use that08:20
olivier__so i can do that with a floppy08:20
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AlanHdaniels my opinion is that the Inkscape user interface is already much easier for ordinary users but you have answer my question, the field is still open and there hasn't been any firm decision already08:22
danielsAlanH: for Warty, it was felt that neither was quite ready, so we decided to defer and make a decision later08:23
pisukei'd prefer inkscape. maybe you should start a poll :-)08:24
Kamionwe tend to go for quality rather than democracy ;)08:24
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plovspitti, i added one more hal-bug (minor) https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=186608:25
danielswe'd end up shipping cowboyneal as our default desktop environment08:25
AlanHdaniels inkscape is rather rough around the edges, I have a list of minor UI flaws I intend to ask them to look at08:25
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AlanHdaniels I'm very worried what the "cowboy neal" desktop might look like08:26
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chapeaurougeanyone knows if there is a gaim-encryption out there for ubuntu (alone, not combined with gaim) ?08:27
cliffversion 1.0 has it built in as far as I understand.08:28
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cliffgaim.sf.net will tell you08:29
chapeaurougeit's not in the list08:29
emaI do not have an ubuntu install right now, is it possible to see which packages are part of main?08:29
daesothochapeaurouge: your dialect allows a first-person null copula?08:30
daesothochapeaurouge: thats weird08:30
daesothochapeaurouge: where are you from?08:30
chapeaurougedaesotho, what are you talking about?08:30
daesotho"* chapeaurouge looking"08:31
cliffchapeaurouge: sorry, I'm mistaken, it's not included yet.08:31
chapeaurougei implied looking at the gaim plugin list08:31
chapeaurougecliff, np08:31
phin|worki must say. ubuntu is running PERFECT on my k6-2 300 64 meg laptop :)08:31
phin|workvery snappy08:31
phin|workrunning openbox with gnome-panel08:31
daesothoin my dialect, that would have to be /me is looking, but apparently your dialect can ellide the copula08:32
chapeaurougecliff, yea been there.. just wanted to avoid compiling, or downloaded that .deb... it's gaim+encryption, not just encryption08:32
cliffdaesotho: I'm pretty sure he was just being lazy.08:32
phin|workthou i would like to be able to find a lighter panel, that still offers task grouping, but i have yet to find one. i've been chatting with the guy from pypanel08:32
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chapeaurougecliff, deasotho: indeed.. just lazyness...08:33
chapeaurougeand english is not my native laguage either08:33
cliffchapeaurouge: you're a tad pedantic. ;p08:33
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daesothochapeaurouge: what is your native language?08:34
phin|workanyone suggest another panel program that has task grouping?08:34
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neighborleeanyone else seeing the gnome panel 'died unexpectedly' warning ?..twice now within few minutes ;(08:36
neighborleenew install as in five minutes ago08:36
neighborleeall I did was remove top panel and add bottom one and added the menus to it...08:37
chapeaurougeneighborlee, i had that at the beginning too.. kinda went away08:37
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neighborleechapeaurouge, weird ;-)08:37
chapeaurougei may have done a upgrade after that...08:37
neighborleechapeaurouge, do you know if bug report has been filed ?08:37
chapeaurougeneighborlee, i don't know. I haven't done one.08:37
neighborleechapeaurouge, so its not done it to you for a longtime then ?08:38
chapeaurougeneighborlee, not ever since those first few times08:39
chapeaurougeworks like a charm now08:39
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neighborleeodd indeed LOL08:39
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WWI see that k3b is in universe, and I didn't see any reports about it in bugzilla.  According to the www.k3b.org, k3b should not (or can not) be used with kernel 2.6.8 or  Is this correct?  Is anyone using k3b?08:41
phin|workive used it with
phin|workon a debian install08:41
chapeaurougeWW, this is correct. it won't detect your cd-writer apparently.08:41
chapeaurougeWW, i haven't investigated at all though, as Nautilus burner is usually all i need.08:41
Kamionthe Ubuntu kernel is patched to fix the CD-writing problems in 2.6.808:41
chapeaurougeKamion, ah. well, I guess mine didn't pick that up...08:42
phin|worki dont use a ubuntu kernel08:42
Kamionas is the Debian kernel, I believe08:42
phin|worki made my own ck8 kernel08:42
WWKamion: So the note at www.k3b.org is already "old"?  Nice.08:42
KamionWW: well, it's accurate for 2.6.8 and as released by upstream08:43
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chapeaurougeWW, Kamion: im on ubuntu right now, and it's not working for me.08:43
neighborleeKamion, is it known yet why the installer is failing during 'connect to internet for updates' ?08:47
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WWchapeaurouge, Kamion: I see.  Looks like I should just try it myself.  Thanks for the info.08:48
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Setsquarecan anyone help me with the gnome "network" feature08:48
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toloHi to all08:49
neighborleeKamion, once I went back in and said 'no ' to internet update then install with without a hitch.....and faik my internet has been working just fine..this was an issue I thought had been fixed sometime ago08:49
neighborleetolo, hi ;-008:49
Setsquarei see my machines but cant open them cos it they desktop configuration files08:50
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LinuxJonesHi tolo08:52
tolohae anyone seen trukulo around?08:53
tolohas, sorry08:53
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emamdz: is there a particular reason why you do prefer not supporting spamassassin?08:54
mdzema: yes; its design is problematic and difficult to maintain08:55
Kamionneighborlee: "failing" in what way?08:55
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zoidicould anybody tell me where to find the kernel-sources for ubuntu?08:57
neighborleeKamion, well it comes up and says 'unable to install software'..please resort to using aptitude to try and fix things08:57
Kamionwasn't that just a bug in the recent daily CD?08:57
Kamionwas this a daily, or the preview?08:58
LinuxJoneszoidi, apt-cache search kernel-source08:58
neighborleeKamion, no idea08:59
zoidiLinuxJones: the problem is, I don't have a net connection yet - i need to compile my wlan driver first, and therefore, I nedd the sources. Could you point my to the directory of the repository?09:00
neighborleeKamion, I'd have to look at the CD assuming relevant info is there to tell me09:00
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LinuxJoneszoidi, you mean on the cd ?09:00
LinuxJoneszoidi, you have another machine connected to the internet ??09:01
LinuxJoneszoidi, you mean09:01
LinuxJoneszoidi, 1 sec09:01
zoidiLinuxJones: yes, i have another machine - this one I'm typing on :-)09:01
zoidiLinuxJones: thank you09:01
Setsquaredoes the "network" browser work for anyone else in here ?09:02
neighborleeKamion: #define DISKNAME  Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" - Unofficial i386 Binary-1 < file on my CD fyi09:02
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im_kahey all09:03
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im_kai though i'm not a distrowhore anymore but i'm about to download ubuntu09:03
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chapeaurougeSetsquare, this is still a "new" application...09:03
chapeaurougeSetsquare, I don't trust it fully yet, it has given me unwanted results at time09:04
chapeaurougeSetsquare, but it's a nice step forward :) it will be very useful (it is already when it dont bug out)09:04
kuroishihmm, is there a way to install all the needed developer packages?  i know on deb you can use tasksel and get gcc, make, etc etc09:04
Setsquarei remember it was like that from Fedora too ... probly a gnome problem then09:04
chapeaurougeSetsquare, yes. gnome related.09:04
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im_kahow is ubuntu's speed?09:05
chapeaurougeim_ka, way fasat.09:05
AlanHalextreme you said you were uploading the Live CD, where to?  09:05
emakuroishi: check if there is the build-essential package 09:05
im_kai'm using yoper at the moment, but i'm not satisfied with some things and i prefer gnome over kde. but yoper is really fast so i'm still hesitating09:06
kuroishiema, indeed there is, thanks.09:06
chapeaurougeim_ka, you should give a try to ubuntu. I am a long time slackware usage, and ubuntu seduced me.09:06
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kuroishiim_ka, yoper is a hacked together piece of crap.09:07
neighborleeim_ka, denial ? <G>09:07
kuroishii was playing with yoper yesterday09:07
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LinuxJoneszoidi, I can't find them either :(09:07
chapeaurougekuroishi, lol09:08
im_kakuroisihi very hars but somehow true09:08
kuroishiwhile it was amusing, i can't see running it for long.09:08
zoidiLinuxJones: thanks for trying09:08
zoidii can't believe nobody has used the kernel sources yet09:08
alextremeAlanH: to my homedir at ubuntu. but i'm not uploading it yet09:08
LinuxJoneszoidi, here you go >> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kernel-source-2.6.7/09:10
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zoidiLinuxJones: I've seen those before, but ubuntu is running - I won't be able to use my module with it if I compile it with 2.6.709:11
Kamionneighborlee: where did you download it from?09:11
KamionLinuxJones: nope ...09:12
Kamionzoidi: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-
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Kamionzoidi: surely you just need the linux-headers-* packages though, which are on the CD in current daily builds09:12
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neighborleeKamion, its been too long now to remember..but i'd imagine from here: http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu-cdimage/releases/warty/preview/09:13
zoidiKamion: thank you! i didn't think of looking for linux-sources - have been using debian too long, it seems09:13
hazmatjust finished installing ubuntu on a powerbook, very smooth.. one question when it first boots up i get an error about bad permissions on /dev/pmu any reason why?09:14
Kamionneighborlee: ok, I haven't tested recently but the archive has shifted somewhat since the preview; if it's just package drift, that won't happen in the final release09:14
Kamionhazmat: known bug, the error message should be silenced09:14
minghuahazmat: that is a know bug09:14
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hazmatk, thanks09:14
neighborleeKamion, yup np09:15
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hkcc2anyone get gpdf working?09:20
phin|workhkcc2: what do you mean? it just works for me09:20
hkcc2phin|work: it goes into a loop when i open a pdf09:20
phin|worknot sure :-\09:20
scarai get that on debian.09:20
phin|workive yet to have an issue09:20
kuroishidoes ubuntu have the same licensing snafu's as debian?09:21
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Deftis there some trick to making grub boot a ntfs partition?09:21
Deftkuroishi: if you mean "only free stuff on the disk", then yes09:21
kuroishiDeft, i'm wondering the same, i can't seem to find a grub.conf o.o09:22
Kamionkuroishi: we are a juicier target than Debian by virtue of being backed by a certain amount of money09:22
vrlnkuroishi: I'm not sure, but I think it's because the win32 codecs aren't quite legal to distribute + mplayer might ship something that might be "grey" too09:22
Kamionkuroishi: therefore being more cavalier than Debian in areas that actually stand a good chance of getting us sued is not a good plan09:22
vrlnmost distributions don't have mplayer+codecs because of that09:22
Deftgrub is configured in /boot/grub, but I get an unknown filesystem type error09:22
vrlnsomeone correct me if I'm wrong, that was just what I remember reading somewhere :J09:23
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phin|workso do all cardbus usb 2.0 cards require an external power adaptor?09:32
LinuxJoneswell with the realease of Theora/Ogg folks should be encoding their stuff in those formats anyway. 09:32
mic_vrln  yes mplayer is breaking several patents, copyrights, licenses etc..but the gyus don't care...09:33
mic_and I respect that :-)09:34
scaraditto :)09:34
scarabut if you're gonna get your ass sued, perhaps then is the time for a more "pragmatic" approach :(09:34
mic_of course..a dsitro shouldn't have them included09:34
mic_even libdvdcss is critical09:35
Deftpragmatic? they're in hungary aren't they? nothing bad ever happens there09:35
LinuxJonesmic_, that depends on what country you are living in09:35
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scarai was referring to people who might get sued, like ubunto, or redhat or whatever09:36
longsleep_where does one change the default keyboard layout in ubuntu?09:36
ioslipstreamcomputer>desktop preferences>keyboard>layout09:37
Keybuklongsleep_: Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> Keyboard [Layouts] 09:37
ioslipstreamheh, quickdraw09:38
emalongsleep_: there is also a gnome applet for switching keyboard layout, if you need it09:38
longsleep_ioslipstream, Keybuk thanks i did that and it only changed it for the user .. i want it changed globally09:38
longsleep_eg in gdm09:38
ioslipstreamyou could edit it in xfree86config09:39
longsleep_ioslipstream, and what about non x sessions ?09:39
ioslipstreamya got me there09:39
LinuxJonesdpkg-reconfigure locales09:39
longsleep_ema, the locale affects the keyboard layout as well?09:39
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emalongsleep_: yep09:40
Keybukreally? I would've thought dpkg-reconfigure console-data would serve you better :)09:41
Keybukbut yes, the GUI changes it for the user09:41
Keybukto change it for the gdm login screen, you'd need to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-409:41
Keybukto change it for the console, you need to dpkg-reconfigure console-data09:41
longsleep_Keybuk, the locale setting does not affect gdm?09:41
emaKeybuk: you're right :)09:42
KeybukX has its own idea of how the keyboard works09:42
longsleep_ok :) 09:42
Keybukdpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 -- to edit the X configuration cutely09:42
longsleep_so i changed the locale .. now i got german translated console apps but still english keyboard09:42
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Deftsomeday someone will see that X doesn't really need its own drivers for everything...09:44
neighborleethis is a bit OT but > how do I fix this kind of error message during ./configure,- ie: configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check ? :(09:44
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Deftneighborlee: are you sure you have all the packages? (build-essential etc)09:46
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longsleep_Keybuk, you were right dpkg-reconfigure console-data allows to change the keymaps 09:47
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neighborleeDeft, faik yes...this seems more of a file size error to me but i've never seen it before....this code compiles on other distros so atm I just dont know LOL09:47
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Cope57How do you get root access with ubuntu?09:50
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neighborleeCope57, sudo09:50
DeftCope57: sudo <command> and sudo -s for a shell09:51
neighborleeCope57, or su but its less secure09:51
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neighborleeCope57, sudo stays current for 5 minutes ;-)09:51
zenwhena butte09:51
Deftwhat uses the sudo group?09:51
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kuroishisudo =P09:52
Deftthought it might be, but how does it relates to sudoers?09:53
octoberso there is only one ISO to download?09:53
octoberfor x86 that is...09:53
LinuxJonesoctober, yep09:53
Deftoctober: yes, that's all you need to install09:53
chutwigyeah, and then a hilarious amount of updates09:53
octoberwow, how refreshing09:54
octoberwell... does it have apt or something?09:54
octobersorry for the stupid questions..09:54
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Deftha yes, I just installed my preview cd again, found 178 megs of updates before the installer even finished09:54
chutwigit'll flux less once the release comes out09:55
octoberhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/helpcenter_view  whoever maintains that page should change the font colors of the red boxes in the middle as they are hard to read.    09:55
longsleep_my gksudo only exits with 1 status when i launch root aps from menu .. any way to fix that?09:55
Deftalmost not at all in fact, hopefully09:55
Deftlongsleep_: have you tried from a terminal/checked you actually are allowed to sudo?09:56
longsleep_Deft, well i can sudo from the terminal yes09:56
Defttry gksudo from a terminal then09:56
octoberyou guys recommend grabbing the daily builds?09:57
longsleep_Deft, mhm it tells me wrong password on the console09:58
longsleep_Deft, ahh the keymapping tricked me again09:58
LinuxJoneslongsleep_, you enter your user password not root password , I had that problem too :D09:58
longsleep_LinuxJones, sure :)09:58
Cope57So what you are saying is that you use user as root?09:59
longsleep_Deft, works now .. i suggest to give back a better error for wrong passwords in gksudo 09:59
Cope57There is no root? Just user with root privledges?09:59
KeybukCope57: no, there is a root user09:59
hkcc2october: i am using a daily build with firefox 1.0pr and gaim 1.009:59
Keybukthe user created during installation has privilege to become that root user using sudo10:00
minghuaCope57: there is a root user but you can't login as root10:00
Deftlongsleep_: file a bug, they'll probably appreciate it10:00
minghuaCope57: the password for root is disabled10:00
octoberhkcc2: cool10:00
Cope57sudo only for modifications huh?10:01
Cope57ok, thnx10:01
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longsleep_ok .. after one and a half day using ubuntu .. great work .. great distro .. everybody use ubuntu!10:02
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octoberlongsleep_: heh10:03
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octoberI'm guessing ubuntu is debian based... or does it use apt for rpm.  the FAQ seems to hint it's debian based.10:04
octoberwhich is cool10:04
KeybukDebian based10:04
octoberI used debian for 3 years a while back.10:04
octoberand enjoyed it but have been using RH/Fedora for like 3 or 4 years now10:04
LinuxJonesI used Debian for 3 years as well10:05
octoberhope it deals with my nVidia card nicely.10:05
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october01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440]  (rev a3)10:05
LinuxJonesoctober, check out the faq10:05
octoberXFree86 or X.org ?10:06
sabdflhey guys, anybody speak german here?10:07
calcoctober: hi trae :)10:07
stevedeooctober, Xfree for now10:07
octobercalc: heh, hi10:07
LinuxJonesoctober, >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions see # 310:07
calcbeen a long time since i've seen you around10:07
octobercalc: been a long time since a rock and roll10:07
octoberyeah, things are going good10:08
octobercheck out my geek fitness site:   fitgeek.org10:08
neighborleewill synatpic upgrade me to the latest fixes somehow ?10:11
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octobermaswan: hehe howdy :)10:11
LinuxJonesneighborlee, yes10:11
octoberyou guys ever heard my band?10:12
LinuxJonesneighborlee, click mark all upgrades10:12
octoberhttp://theinterference.com/ 10:12
LinuxJonesoctober, what kind of music is it ?10:12
neighborleeLinuxJones, oh ok..I wasnt sure about that thinking it would pull try to upgrade too much..but ok thx10:12
octoberwe lost our drummer in May, but have recently picked up a new one, and a kick butt bass player.  I was filling in on bass, but will concentrate on lead singing and acoustic guitar.10:12
octoberLinuxJones: U2, REM, Beatles, Oasis, some of our influences.10:13
LinuxJonesoctober, ahh10:13
octoberLinuxJones: triple your money back if not 100% satisfied10:13
octoberI'd recommend: 10:13
LinuxJonesoctober, lol, I like Rush and Iron Maiden and really stopped listning to most music in like 1986 :D10:14
neighborleeLinuxJones, so do I want default instead of smart since i'm only wanting security and fixes ?10:14
octoberI wouldn't mind talking with whoever is the head of Ubuntu about distro'ing our songs with it. 10:15
LinuxJonesneighborlee, smart 10:15
octoberI got one of my backgrounds included in Fedora Core 1.0 :)10:15
octoberhttp://mccombs.nu/gallery/trae_bgs  <-- these are all free for public use.10:15
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maswanoctober: ehm, nope, but then I don't listen to music. :)10:16
octobermaswan: aww, you gotta give mine a quick listen ;)10:16
maswanoctober: Ok. :)10:16
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octobermaswan: even posted an ogg in case there are ogg nazi's around10:16
scaramaswan: u got widescreen versions/10:16
neighborleeLinuxJones, I wodner though if thats safe even if I"ve uncommented 'universe' in sources.list ?10:16
LinuxJonesneighborlee, there is one way to find out ... muaaggghhhh10:17
LinuxJonesoctober, that didn't sound too bad where are you guys based out of ?10:18
octoberLinuxJones: thanks.... Macon, GA.10:18
maswanscara: ehm. what?10:18
octoberhttp://theinterference.com/music/ogg/shadow_sessions1/ti-dont_come_back.ogg  10:18
scarafor those of us at 1280x854 :)10:18
octoberLinuxJones: one more for ya ;)10:18
maswanscara: of what?10:18
octoberw000p, 1min to go on my dl10:18
scaradesktop backgrounds, they look fantastic10:18
LinuxJonesoctober, I had my first taste of grits in Georgia about 15 years ago :D10:19
octoberLinuxJones: haha10:19
maswanscara: sure you don't have me confused with someone else?10:19
scaraoh october, hehe10:19
octoberscara: :)10:19
scaralooks like my eyes haven't opened fully yet today :P10:19
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octoberhehe, it happens10:19
octoberLinuxJones: we have a kick butt bass player now too... (I wasn't half-bad, but was self taught)10:20
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LinuxJonesoctober, bass had some nice progressions in that tune10:20
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octobercool... Ok... now to burn the ISO10:20
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octoberw00p, burning now10:24
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octobercdrecord -v speed=48 dev=1,0,0 -pad -dao ~october/warty-i386.iso   10:25
octoberprobably don't need pad10:26
werewolfhi, there is any problem with archive.ubuntu.org?10:26
octoberdone.... wish me luck peeps :)10:27
octobertx for your pre-help10:27
aragirnhi, I'm just curious if anyone has had a problem with the installer hanging on the detection of network hardware screen?10:27
aragirnboth of my NIC cards are intel pro 10/100 so it's not like they're exotic10:28
aragirnand the debian installer CDs have never given me any problems10:28
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chutwigword up aragirn 10:28
aragirnhi chutwig how's it going?10:28
Kamionwerewolf: archive.ubuntu.com or archive.ubuntulinux.org would be better choices10:28
mdzsladen: ping?10:29
werewolfKamion: sorry, .com, I mispelled, now is working, bah!10:29
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mwh_is it posible to install ubuntu from the cd, without installing X/Gnome?10:33
stevedeoIs RAR a closed standard?10:34
LinuxJonesstevedeo, yes10:34
stevedeoWell crud.10:35
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LuSH|Schoolhey all, how can i check what video driver im using?10:41
sladenmdz: pong10:41
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LuSH|Schoolit seems im using the onboard when i should be using my ATI driver10:41
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octobermodprobe: FATAL: Error inserting hw_random (/lib/modules/ No such device10:44
inklingxLuSH|School: did you disable the onboard in your bios?10:45
octoberthat's after the initial install (which went fine)  then it ejects the CD and reboots the system.10:45
octoberand I got that error upon rebooting.10:45
octoberanyone have a clue?10:46
inklingxoctober: motherboard with intel chipset?10:46
Kosaioctober: Ignore it.10:46
octoberkosai: it's dead in the water.10:46
octoberinklingx: hmmm yeah10:46
KosaiOh, I see.  Huh.10:46
inklingxsame probe here, but not dead in the water ;)10:47
kuroishidoes Cedega still have a CVS?10:47
neighborleekuroishi, what do you need cedega for?10:47
chapiumis there a listing somewhere of whats in the repository?10:47
neighborleekuroishi, there might be a linux native version of it <G>10:47
octoberAX4B-533 R1.11 AOpen bios  P2.4 G10:47
mdzoctober: harmless error (https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1552)10:47
octobermdz: system won't boot10:47
mdzoctober: if something goes wrong after that, it's unrelated10:48
mdzoctober: is that the last thing you see?10:48
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octoberdoes the hotplug, finds USB...10:48
octoberthen poof...10:48
inklingxoctober: external usb hard drive?10:48
octoberI get that error and then my USB mouse shuts off 10:48
theantixwow, the mouse scroll wheel over the volume applet changes the volume -- how slick is that?!10:48
octoberinklingx: nope... just usb keyboard/mouse10:49
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octoberdidn't change anything... 10:49
octoberthis is the daily ISO if that means anything.10:49
LuSH|Schoolinklingx nope, if i have an ATI Mobility, thats seperate from onboard right?10:49
inklingxoctober:; i had the same problem when my usb mouse and external HD ware connected, if i unplugged one of them: the system booted normal10:49
chapiumtheantix: nice aint it10:49
octoberlet me try that10:49
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octobertaking out mouse and printer (both USB) leaving USB keyboard hookedup for grins10:50
theantixchapium, you learn something new every day :-)10:50
octoberit booted this time.10:51
octobersame error..10:51
octoberit just booted.10:52
octoberthat should be looked at[tm] 10:52
inklingxhwd_random error is noting serious10:52
inklingxusb problem exists on every distro with kernel10:52
octoberink: when you can't boot up.it's pretty serious (looks bad for ubuntu, even though the fix was easy)10:52
octoberbut I'm sure these things will get ironed out10:53
inklingxthe hwd_random problem has nothing to do with the not booting problem10:53
inklingxi solved the usb problem in by compiling the kernel myself 'without initrd)10:54
octoberinklingx: heh, been using linux since 96, and am tired of compiling kernels... I want clicky clicky easy10:54
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inklingxi had the same problem in slackware10:54
octoberprobably some 2.6 thing.10:55
octobersome voodoo10:55
inklingxit is something in the kernel i guess, 2.6.7 : no problem10:55
chapiumis there a listing of what software is in ubutu's repository?10:56
octoberinklingx: well,you helped meout there,sothanks ;)10:56
inklingxoctober: no prob - saving others time is my mission ;)10:57
octobernow to get xfree86 working with my nvidia card... I bookmarked that link somene(you?) gave me from the FAQ10:58
octoberseveral suggestions there10:59
octoberon that FAQ10:59
inklingxoctober: you can get rid of the hw_randow error by adding the line hw_random to /etc/hotplug/blacklist  10:59
octoberinklingx: cool beans.11:00
octoberit's nice to have debian and not to have to answer 40 billion questions from dpkg11:00
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krischanDoes anyone uses the newest version of the Mozilla Firefox browser (0.99+1.0PR-0ubuntu3)? Because there's a strange behaviour I'd like to discuss.11:02
octoberinklingx:  just add:  +hw_random        or      hw_random ?11:03
octoberdidn't know if epic was adding a + in there or not.11:03
dieman /win 211:03
octoberdieman: hehe11:03
diemanlamont: btw, you around?11:03
inklingxjust hw_random11:04
octoberwhoa... X even works with my video card without upgrading ;)11:05
inklingxubuntu is very nice, even for an old slackware user like me ;)11:05
chapiumanyone have any issues with ubuntu?11:06
inklingxnow learning to make .debs :)11:06
octoberthat seems to have worked like a peach11:06
chapiumi have debian installed, but i managed to break the sound and networking while trying to make something work11:06
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octoberinklingx: right on11:06
chapiumif it "just works" i wont have to break it... arhhhh11:07
octoberbaby crying, bbiab11:07
inklingxchapium: debian or ubuntu? ;)11:08
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mdzoctober: does it help if you boot with pci=noacpi?11:11
chapeaurougewhere is that debian kernel how-to? can't find it anymore11:12
aspuruis there an easy way to configure twinview on an nvidia card?11:13
aspurui mean on ubuntu ?11:13
chapiumdebian, thinking about trying something else next time I install.  Probably later this year11:14
chapeaurougefound it. blep.11:14
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inklingxmdz:  pci=noacpi didn't help with me11:19
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LinuxJonesUbuntu Review >> http://usalug.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=412511:21
inklingxmdz: not on ubuntu and not on slackware with kernel from testing11:21
KosaiUh oh.  A review as a phpBB article.  Think I'll give that one a miss..11:21
KosaiSlightly too many ubuntu reviews of the form "Now, I haven't actually used Linux before, but Ubuntu sucks because [random Linux missing-the-point] ."11:22
vrlnthe osnews preview is quite good11:31
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aTypicalHello.  Could someone please tell me what version of xorg/XFree comes with ubuntu?  I can't seem to find a package list.11:32
inklingxvrln: too bad he doesn't mention the state of gnome in arch linux ;)11:33
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inklingxaTypical: XFree86 Version (Ubuntu 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu22)11:34
aTypicalinklingx, thank you.11:34
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inklingxaTypical: more info about ubuntu: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqfolder_view11:39
punkassanyone know how well ubuntu plays with dell d600 laptop power managment stuff11:41
mwh_anyone know if synaptic will support marking dependencies to go away when the package which they are denpendencies to go11:41
punkassi put it on my bosses laptop...he left for the day and closed the lid (without powering down) and when he opened it up later he said it was cookin hot...like it never went into hibernate/sleep mode11:42
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Deftmental note: don't VNC your own screen...11:44
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dialtonewhen is xorg planned for ubuntu?11:50
hkcc2_dialtone: hoary i believe11:51
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manou_dialtone, when it will be in sid11:56
manou_I guess11:56
dialtoneaaahhh got it, thx11:57
Defthttp://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryHedgehog,  X.org11:57
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Annawow, lots of people online11:58
chapiumwow, bittorrent downloaded warty in 10 minutes11:59

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