AnnaDoes anyone know if there's documentation on how to set up a scanner on Ubuntu / Debian and where that's at?12:00
AnnaAll I can seem to find is nightmarrish command prompt stuff with files that have to be copied all over the place and arguments (arguments?) and who knows what.12:01
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hkcc2_Anna: try applications->graphics->xsane image scanning program12:02
AnnaTried that, but it tells me that there is no device..12:02
hkcc2_maybe your scanner is not supported by linux12:02
Annahow would I know if it is or isn't?12:03
LinuxJoneswhat type of scanner do you have ?12:03
inklingxAnna: command-line: sane-find-scanner12:03
Annahp scanjet 3500c12:03
Baumiubuntu has many modules... search google for the one for your scanner12:03
theantixSo Warty is due in October-- anybody know more specific than that, is it targeting the end of October or just "whenever it's done" or some other date?12:03
Annai'll try the command line12:04
hkcc2_theantix: the 20th i believe12:04
Annamodules, hmm.12:04
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Baumiusb scanner?12:05
Annayes, it's usb12:05
theantixhkcc2_, thanks12:05
Drenkascan i ask if ubuntu is able to see and resize ntfs partitions?12:05
AnnaI'll try the command line and brb12:06
Drenkasbecause i didn't managed to do that12:06
schnickhas the Gnome Settings Daemon cause anyone any issues?  i'm gattine error 'Failed to activate 'OAFID:GNOME_SettingsDaemon'12:06
Baumi@drenkas - qtparted can resize ntfs partitions12:06
Drenkasit's in ubuntu?12:07
Drenkasi mean in the install cd12:07
Baumii dont think... but try apt-get or search google. its easy to install12:07
Drenkasthe problem is to get place for linux12:07
Baumii didnt already install ubuntu... Im downloading12:08
Drenkasit's not a problem for me anymore but it was when i tryed12:08
Baumiin Knoppix/Kanotix qtparted is included12:08
Baumithese are live-cds12:08
Drenkasyou can resize with knoppix?12:08
Drenkasthat's good12:08
Baumiyeah. i did it already12:09
Baumilook for "qtparted"12:09
Drenkasi know qtparted12:09
AnnaIf I try the command 'sane-find-scanner', can I just plug in my scanner prior or do I have to reboot? Because right now it's telling me 'bash: sane-find-scanner: command not found'.12:09
Drenkasbut i don't know if it is on ubuntu12:10
Drenkasi think it's important for user-friendly distrib12:10
Baumisorry... i am burning ubuntu at the moment.. 12:10
longsleep_anybody got an ubuntu/debian apt source for mplayer, divx and transcode ?12:11
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Baumi@anna... plugin the scanner and type dmesg ... there should be something like usb.c, scanner.c, hub.c,... 12:12
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theantixlongsleep_, see the FAQ...look for debian-marillat archives, work for me12:13
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dialtoneis a debian deb, compatible with ubuntu? (I'm thinking about universe)12:14
phin|workyes, but if its in the ubuntu repository, you really should use that instead12:14
dialtoneah! good to know, thx12:14
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AnnaIt spat a whole lot of data at me know that doesn't mean anything to me. But the final line was:usb 1-3: new full speed USB device using address 212:16
longsleep_theantix, found them .. thanks :)12:17
mdzalextreme: ping?12:18
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vasiif i want to add knotes (from kdepim) to my ubuntu system, what's the best way of doing so? should i grab the .debs from debian? is there another repo somewhere i could use?12:18
hkcc2_Anna: have a look at device manager (computer->system configuration) and see what usb devices linux has detected12:19
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AnnaI see 'scanjet 3500c' under one of the USB, so the device has been properly detected.12:23
hkcc2_Anna: well thats good news, you could try xsane again, other than that i have no more ideas12:24
Baumiu could try "modprobe scanner"12:24
AnnaBut Xsane is still telling me that there is no device.12:24
LinuxJonesvasi: apt-get install kdepim ?12:24
Baumii hope ubuntu has the scanner module precompiled12:24
Baumibut disconnect the scanner first12:25
Annamodprobe scanner as a command at the command prompt?12:25
vasiLinuxJones, it depends on things not in apt...12:25
LinuxJonesvasi: ohhh12:26
vasikinda silly for kdepim to be sitting in universal even though it's not installable, but there you go12:26
Annathanks hkcc2, at least we know know that it's somehow 'there' in the system.12:26
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hkcc2_Anna: no problem, hope it gets sorted out soon12:26
AnnaWell, I hope I learn fast enough so I pass this dreadful newbie phase12:27
hkcc2_don't worry people usually learn linux fast12:28
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Baumiyes.. try the command at the console12:30
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LinuxJonesAnna, It takes at least about a month before you start feeling comfortable with basic Linux stuff.  12:32
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eddyphow can I find out how many packages are available in ubuntu/debian12:33
Deftthe number?12:33
hkcc2_Anna: according to the sane project's website your scanner is unsupported12:33
eddypDeft: yes12:34
jdubeddyp: approx 2000 supported, approx 10000 unsupported12:34
Defteddyp: apt-cache stats12:34
alextrememdz: pong12:34
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WWAnna: I just got here... what kind of scanner?12:35
mdzalextreme: how is the live CD going?  you sounded nearly ready to upload12:36
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AnnaI have to scroll back abit...."I had a situation here"12:36
alextrememdz: yeah, i was nearly ready to upload. ran into more problems again, but trying round it up12:38
lamontdieman: yep12:39
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Annaok@hkcc2, but does that mean the scanning is only possible through xsane, therefore it is impossible at all to get the scanner working?12:39
AnnaHi 12:40
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AnnaIt's a scanjet 3500c from HP, but hkcc2 has found out that xsane isn't supporting it...12:40
hkcc2_Anna: i don't know of any other programs other than sane, so without sane support there's not much else you can do12:40
AnnaI see12:41
hkcc2_don't worry my scanner isn't working either12:41
jordifor Linux, Scanner stuff is either SANE or get another one.12:41
jordimine doesn't work eithe.r12:41
SlackeerbDoes anyone know how to get a logitech quick cam working on linux12:41
jordiAlthogh I haven't checked in a while.12:41
jordiSlackeerb: sure12:41
jordihave you tried the qce module in the kernel?12:42
jordiSlackeerb: what kernel version, for a start?12:42
Slackeerbjordi: How do i check that. i know I type somethign in the terminal12:42
AnnaLuckily scanners aren't that expensive. I'll keep the scanner for the winDOS box12:42
AnnaI'm a novice jordi...12:42
Annaso expert things aren't optional for me, that's what I was trying to say.12:43
jordiAnna: it's strange that an HP scanner doesn't work though.12:43
jordiSlackeerb: wait a sec12:44
AnnaYes, especially since the system detected it...12:44
Annathe device manager listed it under usb correctly, even the name.12:44
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WWAnna: I took a look here: http://www.hamrick.com/, but apparently he doesn't support the HP 3500c either. 12:44
chapeaurougehey... interested in metacity transparency? got this from the slackware world... quite cool12:45
jordiSlackeerb: is it a colour qc?12:45
jordiSlackeerb: is it a qc, or a qc express?12:45
Slackeerbjordi: yes12:45
Slackeerbjordi: i think express12:45
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AnnaWW, that is indeed weird that they skipped my scanner while supporting other HP's12:47
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jordiSlackeerb: does "modprobe c-qcam" as root show anything interesting in dmesg?12:47
chapeaurougeanyone for a tomboy pkg (http://beatniksoftware.com/tomboy/) ?12:48
AnnaBut given all the noise HP is making regarding GNU/Linux, they ought to deliver drivers...12:48
Slackeerbjordi: says blah blah blah not found12:48
jordiSlackeerb: hmm, probably out of luck without recompiling stuff I guess12:49
jordithere was a working driver for Linux 2.4 at least12:49
Slackeerbjordi:shouldnt it detect it automaticly?12:49
Slackeerbjordi: and do you know any good p2p software im useing limewire currently but it keeps asking me to upgrade to pro.12:50
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jordiSlackeerb: hey that's quite a topic change. :)12:50
AnnaWhile I'm here <cough>. Is there a special magic I need to know about RW-CD? Can I rewrite CD's in nautilus and I've just been too daft to figure it out?12:50
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jordiI use an emule clone, "amule"12:50
Slackeerbjordi: the emule networks seemed real slow when I used it.12:51
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jordiAnna: I have no cd-rw's here, but I thought nautilus would allow you to clean them before burning12:51
jordiisn't there an option?12:51
jordiSlackeerb: do you have a permanent link to the internet?12:51
SlackeerbAnna: just drag the files from the disc 2 the trash?12:51
Slackeerbjordi: yes12:51
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SlackeerbAnna: if its a cd rw. =)12:52
seb128jordi: the problem with cdrw is the automount ... CD get mounted so device is busy when you want to clean it12:52
jordiSlackeerb: emule's protocol is based on credits. You download more if you share more, and if you keep it going for a while.12:52
jordiseb128: ah, bad.12:53
seb128should be fixed soon12:53
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Slackeerbjordi: ahh i see well thx off to wtach tss12:53
Slackeerbpeace everyone!12:53
seb128pitty is working on a hal/dbus/n-c-b/h-d-m/... update12:53
jordiwtf is tss?12:54
AnnaWell, I tried slacks advice, but it told me that it's read only data...12:54
jordiseb128: cool12:54
AnnaI dragged the files from RW-CD into the trash and then got the nono12:55
jordiseb128: besides the gtk bug, is there anything outstanding that we don't have in sarge at this point?12:55
jordihmm, this should be in #g-d probably12:55
vincentjordi: you can try these packages it's working fine for me. http://people.no-name-yet.com/~pitti/utopia/ 12:57
hkcc2__Anna: try opening a nautilus window (e.g. computer->disks) and then choosing go->cd creator12:57
jordivincent: I'm not on Ubuntu in this system rightn ow12:59
jordialthough I should..12:59
diemanlong day at work12:59
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Annabut when I'm in the cd creator, it is empty as the files are on cd...?01:00
vincentjordi: oups excuse me01:00
AnnaI also noticed under properties that the CD drive seems to be a 'root' controlled device and 'write' isn't ticked off, so perhaps I have to sign in as root and allow write under the properties of that device?01:01
hkcc2__Anna: are you going to be replacing the contents of the cd-rw with something new?01:02
Annano, not really. I was planning the delete the files on CD01:02
Annato delete..01:03
hkcc2__you mean blank it?01:03
Annabut dragging the files to the trash won't work01:04
Anna(actually it copies copies to the trash, but the files on CD remain...)01:04
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hkcc2__i don't think it can be done via the cd creator.  one can use the command-line cdrecord tho.. :-)01:04
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hkcc2__well its not that difficult01:05
AnnaBut shouldn't I try to change the properties for the CD drive under 'root'?01:05
hkcc2__no i don't think that's part of the problem01:06
hkcc2__is the cd mounted right now? it should be if you double-click the cdrom icon01:06
Annaok. So which command would I use for the cp?01:06
hkcc2__double-click the cdrom icon to make sure its mounted01:07
Annayes it's mounted01:07
hkcc2__then open a command line and type mount01:08
hkcc2__do you see a line which has cdrom in it?01:08
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Annalulu@lulu ~ $ mount01:09
Anna/dev/hda1 on / type unknown (rw,errors=remount-ro)01:09
Annaproc on /proc type proc (rw)01:09
Annasysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)01:09
Annadevpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)01:09
Annatmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)01:09
Annausbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)01:09
Anna/dev/hdc on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=lulu)01:09
Annalulu@lulu ~ $01:09
hkcc2__ok your cdrom is /dev/hdc in command line land01:09
Annasorry, I didn't intend to paste the whole shabang01:09
Se7hhey there01:09
hkcc2__Anna: type sudo umount /dev/hdc01:09
hkcc2__and enter your password01:10
Se7his x cd roast available at universe?01:10
hkcc2__then type 'cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc blank=fast'01:10
hkcc2__that should be it01:11
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LinuxJonesSe7h, yes it is and so is k3b01:11
Annawell, something is going on...<g>01:11
Annais it like formatting the cd now?01:12
Se7hwhats the name of it?01:12
hkcc2__Anna: its basically overwriting a part of the cd that contains the index of the files01:12
LinuxJonesSe7h, xcdtoast01:13
LinuxJonesSe7h, err xcdroast01:13
AnnaI see. But are you telling me that there is no way to delete individual files from a CD RW?01:13
Se7hcant find it :|01:13
LinuxJonesSe7h, sorry maybe it is in restricted oops01:14
hkcc2__Anna: in general, no. it can be done tho if it was written with packet-writing software, which is not that common01:14
hkcc2__perhaps it can be done with multisession cds as well01:14
Annabut that would mean that RW-CD's under Linux are meaningless in a way.01:15
hkcc2__yeah, they don'e function the same as hard disks01:15
hkcc2__cdrws are mainly for trying out linux distros ;-)01:16
Se7hthis should do it01:16
AnnaI'll copy the commands...01:18
Kamionfor CD-RWs you basically have to build the entire filesystem and write it in one shot01:19
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AnnaWell, I was under the impression that files can be deleted from the CD at will (individually or as a selection), because I believe that's how it worked under the system of the one whose name we mustn't mention.01:21
vincenthmmmm nice http://www.es.gnome.org/~telemaco/01:22
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knackkohi oo people01:22
tmpyo guys, i have powerprefs now, just did apt-get update/install  01:23
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AnnaBTW, I live in Holland (I'm German though), where are you from. (Is social chat appropriate here?)01:26
Baumihi. 01:26
Baumihow can i install nvidia drivers?01:26
jdubBaumi: apt-get install nvidia-glx01:27
Baumimy ubuntu didn recognize my TI4200 correctly and my highest available resolution is 640 x48001:27
jdubBaumi: but beware, those are the non-free drivers01:27
jsubl2Baumi, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions01:27
jsubl2Hello Anna.  I am from Dallas Texas USA01:28
whiprushjdub: dude ... you will not believe what I found at work today.01:29
jdubwhiprush: an old banana in your drawer?01:29
jdubi *hate* that01:29
jdubof course, i can't blame any of my co-workers for things like that01:29
jduband i don't have any drawers either01:29
jdubbut nevertheless01:29
knackkoi launched a bootsplash chooser with python/gtk for mdk, but what about ubuntu? http://knackko.dyndns.org/chertault/weblog/bootsplashchooser.html01:29
KamionAnna: I imagine Windows fakes it up somehow by rewriting the whole thing01:30
jdubknackko: we have some seriously amazingly cool non-bootsplash graphical boot stuff coming in hoaryhedgehog01:30
whiprushdude ... it has rounded corners on the panels. heh/01:30
WWjdub: No drawers?  So where do you keep your banana?01:30
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jdubA LISA?!01:30
WWjdub: ... sorry...01:30
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jdubthat's intense!01:30
whiprushin perfect working order01:30
whiprush10mb hardrive01:30
whiprushbuilt in 1983.01:30
knackkojdub: what is hoaryhedgehog (next ubuntu)?01:31
jdubknackko: yes, sorry, our next release, preview due march next year :)01:31
jdubwhiprush: dude, this just goes to show01:31
whiprushlook at the rounded clock, heh.01:31
knackkowhiprush: nice lisa01:31
jdubwhiprush: that gnome needs rounded corners again01:31
whiprushhttp://www.arslinux.com/~jorge/lisa9.jpg <-- preferences screen01:31
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whiprushdude when it goes into powersaving mode, the monitor dims01:32
whiprushand undims when you move the mouse ....01:32
jdubwhiprush: dude, you should totally blog these pics, i'll url them up on planet gnome and get some rounded corner action going ;)01:32
whiprushit's so ninja01:32
hazmati'm trying to figure out how to debug sleep mode on a powerbook, any suggestions? all the reports i see on the net suggest that it should work out of the box, and it was on a gentoo install that i wrote over.01:32
whiprushheh ok.01:32
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whiprushthe program paradigm is weird.01:33
AnnaI see about the RW.CD.01:33
AnnaTexas, cool01:33
whiprushyou don't launch programs, you like, tear of sheets of stationary01:33
whiprushtook me like 10 minutes to figure out01:33
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AnnaTexas is the Bavaria of the U.S.01:34
punkassbc, canada here 01:34
vasiwoooo, canada!01:35
Baumio.k. nvidia drivers didnt worked for me01:35
vasithere, that's my quota of nationalistic fervor for the year01:35
knackkojdub: is there any contribution lack for the amazingly cool non-bootsplash graphical boot stuff?01:35
AnnaCanada is cool too01:35
jsubl2Anna, ok01:35
Baumii mean - i cant set a higher res01:35
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vasiBaumi, are the higher resolutions in your x config?01:36
jsubl2Baumi maybe your monitor section needs work01:36
AnnaSo this is a pretty anglocentric chat then. Am I the only European?01:36
AnnaNo Brits?01:37
splinta <- brit01:37
splintahey :o)01:37
vasioh cripes....rhythmbox suddenly froze again01:37
vasithat's getting quite annoying01:37
punkasshazmat: yeah i am trying to figure out sleepmode stuff on a dell D600 too01:37
Baumino. in my x-config i only see one res and one frequency rate01:37
Annacrikey mate01:37
jdubknackko: it hasn't really started yet, but as soon as the hoaryhedgehog development branch opens, it'll be out there to hack on :-)01:38
vasiBaumi, so add another res :-)01:38
vasido dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8601:38
jsubl2Baumi in mine i have HorizSync       24-82 ;      VertRefresh     55-7701:38
KamionAnna: we have I think 5 UK people working for Canonical01:38
vasiyeah, and set the rates for your monitor01:38
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jsubl2Baumi, besides installing the drivers right you might need those tweaked if they are no accurate01:39
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AnnaOne thing about Canonical I've wondered is how will you earn revenue? Are there add-on products planned? (I"m not sure if this is an appropriate question.)01:41
AnnaIf it's not, just ignore it01:41
KamionAnna: well, it's on the front page of http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ ...01:41
KosaiAnna: Have you looked at the site?  It mentions support.01:41
Annait is?01:41
Kamion"Canonical's business model is to provide technical support and professional services related to Ubuntu."01:42
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Baumioh man, i love high resolution ;-)01:42
Baumithanks a lot01:42
LinuxJonesjdub,  where are you located Austrailia or South Africa ?01:42
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AnnaOk, it was detailed in the last paragraph01:43
jdubLinuxJones: sydney, australia. at least that's what i say online. ;-)01:43
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AnnaSo basically Ubuntu is actually more of a business desktop aimed at companies, or can bottom feeders also buy support?01:44
LinuxJonesjdub,  heh, I am going to email you tomorrow a very cool project I have in mind, to see what you think.01:44
knackkojdub: ok, i will watch on this branch01:45
KosaiAnna: I think they actually care about making a kickass distribution, and will go with support to try and make ends meet; but it's not why the company exists.01:45
Kosai(Not that I work for them, just know the motivation of a few individuals.)01:45
knackkojdub: you are a direct maintainer of ubuntu?01:45
jdubAnna: it's not just a business desktop :-)01:45
jdubAnna: so, we're going to be concentrating on professional services and partnering with local support companies.01:46
jdubknackko: yeah01:46
AnnaI see01:46
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AnnaWell, I was one of your first fans.01:47
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neighborleeIm having trouble ( albeit in fedora its compiling just fine with no errors argh) compiling a library I need badly here in ubuntu for a game project....i'm not getting any missing header errors so I dont know how to diagnose...anyone here could lend a quick hand possibly in PM ??01:48
Kosaineighborlee: No, don't have time for that.  If you paste the exact error, someone may offer advice.01:48
neighborleewell its multli-line01:49
neighborleebut okay here goes01:49
knackkojdub: one more congrulat : ubuntu is a great idea for those who love gnome and debian, i enjoy it!01:49
neighborlee.libs/mdll.o(.text+0x0): In function `main':01:49
neighborlee/usr/local/games/nwn/nwmouse/libnw/libnw/mdll.c:1: multiple definition of `main'01:49
neighborlee.libs/setl.o(.text+0x0):/usr/local/games/nwn/nwmouse/libnw/libnw/setl.c:1: first defined here01:49
jdubknackko: cool, thanks :)01:49
neighborleethats it..no missing header error or anything01:50
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Baumiwhich program do u use for watching TV? 01:53
Kosaineighborlee: main is the function that a C program starts from.01:53
AnnaBasically the reason I was attracted to Ubuntu  was because of the installer. I know too little about computing in general  to be in a position of making a quality judgment about the different distros. Being German, there was of course a tendency towards Suse/KDE, but I also had purity issues with Qt.01:53
whiprushjdub: blogged, pics are probably too big though01:53
Kosaineighborlee: You are compiling two pieces of code that both contain competing main() functions.  The linker doesn't know which one to use.01:54
neighborleeKosai, hmmm01:54
neighborleeKosai, question is why is it spewing this here in debian and not in fedora01:54
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AnnaBut I should shut up again, I tend to interrupt the flow with my babble. 01:54
neighborleeAnna, na dont worry01:55
AnnaWell, what can I say, I'm a GIRL01:55
neighborleeAnna, people here are multifunctional <G>01:55
hazmathow do you suggest a package for ubuntu?01:55
neighborleeand we're damn glad your here01:55
neighborleeenough guys already!!01:55
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nojowhen install ubuntu is there someway to set up PPP over ethernet for adsl to do the intial install?01:57
hazmatnojo there is some discussion in the mailing list archives bout it...01:57
nojooh ok01:58
Kosainojo: I doubt you'd find any distro that supports PPPoE for an install.  Use the CD, and then update once the install's finished.01:58
neighborleeanna: purity issues for kde?01:58
neighborleeAnna: albeit I think I know where your going with that <G>01:58
nojook Kosai01:58
neighborleeAnna: german huh..my ancestry resembles that remark ;-0001:58
Annabut your grandmother is from Chicago?01:59
AnnaOk, that is a lame joke I admit02:00
AnnaWith purity I actually meant the confusing situation regarding trolltech. I feel guilty using KDE knowing I'll be supporting a (Qt) license that isn't very "pure". Or did I completely misunderstand that situation?02:02
nojoso far pretty painless install02:02
KamionAnna: Qt is dual-licensed QPL/GPL02:03
jdubAnna: totally misunderstood02:03
jdubAnna: Qt is 100% Free Software02:03
Kamionboth licences are free02:03
ioslipstreamjdub: shhh, spread the gtk lovin'02:03
Kamionthe only historical issue is that once upon a time Qt was QPL-only and KDE was (still is) GPL, and the two licences are incompatible02:03
jdubAnna: you're more likely to have purity issues with C++ or something like that.02:03
Kamionbut Qt going QPL/GPL made that issue irrelevant02:03
jdubioslipstream: no way dude, full disclosure rocks.02:04
AnnaOK, I'll have to research this a bit more thorough02:04
punkassi thought the windows vesion of qT cost $$02:04
AnnaIn any case, I lie Gnome better anyway. BTW, my screenshot is at http://zazam.com/stuff/screenshot.png02:08
KosaiAnna: Nice; looks passingly like an old screenshot of mine -- http://printf.net/shot-cjb.jpg02:09
theantixAnna, what is the "blue dot" applet in the upper right of your screenshot?02:09
Annayeah the exploding galaxies stuff02:09
ioslipstreamtheantix: firestarter02:10
Annathe dot is my firewall firestarter, which depends on an open root terminal I've shifted to the second work space during the day02:10
theantixioslipstream, thanks02:10
ioslipstreammy favorite desktop i've had... i'll be a happy camper when xorg is in ubuntu: http://members.arstechnica.com/x/ioslipstream/milkshot.jpg02:12
Anna(I haven't figured out yet how to configure programs that demand root privs, so I discovered that firestarter runs from the root terminal)02:12
AnnaOh wow, yes that is a beautiful desktop.02:12
Kosaiioslipstream: Mmm, compost.02:13
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LinuxJonesthe dropshadows are awesome looking02:13
ioslipstreamthanks... i think ubuntu is nice enough to warrant going without the eye candy for awhile though02:13
nathan_i have a question. how do i shutdown the x server so i can install the official nvidia drivers?02:13
zenwhencomposite still isnt stable on any video card, and isnt workable at all with ati's drivers02:13
whiprushthat's real pretty ioslipstream 02:13
nathan_somebody told me to change my runlevel to 3 but that didn't work02:13
Kosainathan_: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop02:13
ioslipstreamzenwhen: xcompmgr-cvs was pretty stable for me on an nvidia fx570002:14
ioslipstreamwhiprush: thanks02:14
LinuxJonesnathan_, the nvidia drivers are available for through apt if you want pre-compiled binaries.02:14
WWnathan_: ctrl-alt-backspace02:14
nathan_LinuxJones, official drivers or "nv" package?02:14
ioslipstreami was able to keep the eye candy up most of the time, except for when playing ut02:15
LinuxJonesnathan_, official02:15
nathan_you don't happen to know the package name, do you?02:15
LinuxJonesnathan_,  >> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions see # 302:15
Annait's 2:15 here in the morning, I think I'm fading. Good night beautiful people.02:16
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LinuxJonesnight anna02:16
m_tthewanybody have the link handy?02:16
nathan_my real problem is that i can't select a refresh rate above 60Hz at my preferred resolution. could the video drivers be the culprit?02:18
LinuxJonesnathan_,  I had some problems with the nv driver as well works fine now02:19
Zombnathan_: you can override the default modelines if you monitor fails to communicate with the video card02:19
Kamionm_tthew: we don't have Ubuntu netinst images, not in the Debian sense anyway02:20
Kamionm_tthew: you might mean http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/02:20
m_tthewKamion : thanks, that is exactly what I meant. My vocab sucks.02:21
nathan_ok, time to reboot. thanks guys. :)02:21
punkasssomething odd, when you goto change your background image...the dialog selector box doesnt show thumbnails02:21
punkassbackground image of desktop that is02:22
Kamionthe netinst image is not very well named, really02:22
moyogopunkass: that's a bug filed already in one of the bugzillas02:22
moyogopunkass: or did jeff mention it in his list of 28 things to do02:23
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punkassoh cool k thanks...just noticed thats all..thought it was odd02:23
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moyogopunkass: it is very odd indeed02:24
moyogopunkass: it's been like that for a while i guess02:25
moyogopunkass: http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/blog/108589596502:25
nictuku:( j. waugh ignored my mail02:25
jdubnictuku: which mail?02:26
jdubi tend to get a lot, so it needs to stand out from the crowd ;)02:26
nictukuoh you're there. nevermind, really :)02:26
jdub(unless you sent it to @canonical.com)02:27
nictukuI guess it was to @canonical02:27
nictukubut don't worry, really. it's no big deal hehe02:27
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nictukuTo: jeff.waugh@canonical.com02:28
nictukuhehe spose it was filtered as spam He He02:28
nojoand thast it im installed02:29
nojoprett flawless02:29
dragis there any xorg support in the current ubuntu release? would i be able to install it in any clean way02:31
dragi'm thinking of switching from debian right now02:31
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LinuxJonesdrag, not atm02:32
nathan_ok, that driver didn't work LinuxJones02:32
LinuxJonesnathn, it didn't work ?02:32
nathan_it crashes when i start x telling me "no screens found"02:32
LinuxJonesnathn, you have to modprobe nvidia02:32
dragahh ok thanks02:32
punkassis there a way to use the windows key for shortcuts02:33
nojois X.org gonan be in the october release or no?02:33
nathan_just type "modprobe nvidia" at the shell?02:33
dragi've heard that i should definitely go with ubuntu even if i'm happy with debian02:33
jdubnojo: no02:33
LinuxJonesnathan_, yes02:33
dragso i'm going to give it a shot02:33
punkasseg  Win + D for desktop etc02:33
nojojdub ok02:33
nathan_and that's it?02:33
nathan_heh, i'm paranoid now :)02:33
LinuxJonesnathan_, then type gdm02:33
jdubnojo: though, it will turn up very quickly in the devel branch once it opens.02:33
nictukuare you guys needing volunteer perl developers work? helping debian is too bureaucratic hehe02:33
punkasswhen i press it i get Super_L  but cant add anything else to it02:33
nojojdub: ahh ok very nice02:33
nathan_LinuxJones, alright, i'll try that. thanks :)02:34
nojowell this is great i mpretty happy with this..this is pretty much how i would setup my debian system anyway02:34
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LinuxJonesnathan_, give it a go02:34
housetierdrag, if you are really happy with debian, why change?02:35
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dragfor the more up-to-date packages02:36
nojowhy dont u just track unstable02:37
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dragwell, i've asked people the same questions and they said to still go with ubuntu (these were long time deb users)02:37
dragso i'll give it a shot and see what it's all about heh02:37
hazmatodd, when i change the default theme for ubuntu, it doesn't actually change the color scheme.. is it some sort of metacity hardcode?02:37
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nathan_ok, LinuxJones, that worked, but now i still can't select a refresh above 60Hz. is there some file i have to manually edit?02:38
baietasis there a quick way to install MS true type fonts in ubuntu?02:38
LinuxJonesnathan_,  type sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config02:38
nathan_my file is XF86COnfig-402:38
dragmstt fonts should be on apt02:39
draglook for msttcorefonts02:39
nathan_but i did what you said :)02:39
LinuxJonesnathan_,  ya config-4 sorry02:39
nathan_k, done02:39
LinuxJonesnathan_,  ok scroll down to the screen section02:40
nathan_k, there02:40
LinuxJonesnathan_,  opps back up to monitor02:40
nathan_k, there :)02:40
LinuxJonesnathan_,  wher eit says 60 change to a range that your monitor can support02:41
nathan_        VertRefresh     50-8502:41
baietasdrag: This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source02:41
m_tthewactually, guys, the 'right' way to fix that is to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8602:41
nathan_my monitor can do 1600x1200/75, but it'll only let me do above 60 at 1152x864 and lower02:41
dragapt-get update, apt-cache search mstt02:41
m_tthewif you've edited XF86Config-4 by hand already, follow the instructions in the top of it to make dpkg-reconfigure work again.02:42
dragdebian's got it, so i'd think ubuntu would have the package available as well02:42
LinuxJonesm_tthew, I had to change the value manually it would not take using dpkg-reconfig02:42
m_tthewLinuxJones: ah, sorry. why wouldn't dpkg-reconfig take it?02:42
lizhow do i start smb support so i can share files on a LAN?02:42
LinuxJonesm_tthew, I do not know :(02:42
nathan_i changed it from 50-80 to 50-12002:42
nathan_i'll see if that works02:43
baietasdrag: apt-cache search mstt openoffice.org - high-quality office productivity suite02:43
m_tthewLinuxJones: If you edited the config by hand before using dpkg-reconfig, it won't write a new config file for you.02:43
baietasdoes that mean oo includes the fonts?02:43
dragi wouldn't install oo just for the fonts02:43
LinuxJonesm_tthew, ahh that's what it was thanks02:43
baietasdrag: its installed by ubuntu automatically 02:44
m_tthewLinuxJones: np, I only know that because I was bitten myself by it in the past. (I somehow overlooked the warning at the top of XF86Config-4 :)02:44
dragoh :o still using deb sorry02:44
LinuxJonesm_tthew, I don't read half the stuff I see I seem to have tunnel vision :D02:44
dragbaietas, just go to http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/02:44
baietasthank you02:45
moyogohmmm... how do i find how much ram i have on my nvidia card again? i'm too lazy to open the box02:48
LinuxJonesmoyogo, what model card to you have ?02:49
hazmatthe device manager might have it02:50
moyogoLinuxJones: er... i don't remember, but HAL says it's a PCI NV15 (GeForce2 GTS/Pro)02:50
moyogoah... well... i guess i'll have to open my box at one point02:52
LinuxJonesmoyogo, sorry :D02:52
moyogoLinuxJones: thanks anyway02:52
LinuxJonesmoyogo, sure02:52
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mherwegis the kernel source available as a package install?02:59
m_tthewmherweg: absolutely. apt-cache search linux-source03:00
nojothis is great i love this03:01
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jdubhey trae03:07
traetried to apt-get install bzflag and it doesn't seem to be in the repo03:07
traejdub, heyaz, I like indubstrial03:07
jdubit's not in universe?03:07
traeheh not in my universe it seems :)03:07
jdubmust be a b0rken build03:08
traejdub, are you responsible for the nice default look and feel of ubuntu?03:08
jdubwant to apt-get source bzflag and see what it's up to? :)03:08
jdubtrae: for the current temporary artwork, yeah.03:08
jdubtrae: there's some slicker stuff coming for the final release. :-)03:08
traejdub, sweet work... best debian install I've ever had03:08
traeactually, it rates up there with the RH/FC installs even with the crappy curses initial installer03:09
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jdubclicky-clicky coming in our next release :)03:10
traeno surprise there03:10
nojoi kind ofl iek the isntaller the way it is03:10
traeI'm sure... but I'm still impressed03:10
nojowuts the differnce03:10
jdubnojo: one is clicky-clicky, one is pressy-pressy.03:10
traenojo, I think I concur there should be both present.03:10
traebut... you can't make everyone happy03:10
traeno matter what you do03:11
nojoahah yeah03:11
traeso shoot for a certain target audience03:11
jdubboth will have to be there03:11
nojothis was the smoothest install I have ever had on this laptop though03:11
jdubfor different kinds of installs03:11
traejdub, any ideas on how to get bzflag?  should I get a different sources.list or something?03:11
nojoit would be really great if u could get the PPPoe goign for he intital install03:12
traedon't want to go breaking my system though03:12
traeoh, where is emacs keybindings in gnome 2.8?03:12
jdubtrae: if you want to help fix the build;03:12
traeI can't find it03:12
jdubapt-get source bzflag03:12
jdubsudo apt-get build-dep bzflag03:12
traejdub, you know I can't code 03:12
jdubthen see if you can build it03:12
traeI'll try that03:13
jdubtrae: neither can most gentoo users... *cough*03:13
dragbleh why does my download keep timing out from cdimages.whatever03:13
nojogood ole gentoo03:13
nojoI had to get that off my laptop03:13
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nojoeverytime i would install soemthing took me liek 10 horus to compile03:13
traeReading Package Lists... Done03:13
traeBuilding Dependency Tree... Done03:13
traeE: Unable to find a source package for bzflag03:13
jdubnow that's a bonus03:13
traenojo, yah... that's a silly way to go.03:13
hiweedwould you tell me how to create or modify a task for tasksel or aptitude use??03:13
hiweedI googled for it but...03:14
jdubtrae: do you have universe in your sources.list? looks like there's a bzflag package for i386 built03:14
traejdub, sorry to sound stupid, but don't know what universe is03:14
traethought you were joking about that.03:15
jdubtrae: edit sources.list, uncomment the universe lines :)03:15
traejust installed ubuntu fairly recently03:15
crimsunit's essentially everything unsupported by ubuntu03:15
jdubtrae: almost all of debian main is available in universe (which is our unsupported set)03:15
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traeshould I comment out restricted?03:16
traecool, grabbing bzflag build now03:17
jdubtrae: restricted is where binary drivers come from03:17
jdubtrae: you should just be able to apt-get install bzflag now03:17
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nojoif you install somethign form the universe and then if the package makes it into the main section for ubuntu will that break the package?03:18
nojolike when u trakc for security update03:19
jdubit'll just be upgraded03:19
nojoso it automatically recognizes it03:19
nojook awesome03:19
traejdub, yah... sorry, was trying it out ;)03:21
traejdub, hehe03:21
traeI love that game03:21
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tbermanso, i just installed ubuntu, and my usb keydrive doesnt get mounted by g-v-m03:26
tbermanthis happened automagically with fc development just before installing.03:26
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cleepay no mind to tberman, he sucks03:29
tbermanclee: lies.03:29
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tvon|x31automounting wasnt working for my usb stick either03:34
danielstberman: interesting, we haven't seen that before03:34
danielstberman: anything interesting in syslog?03:34
tvon|x31oh, but mine is a pcmcia03:34
tvon|x31oh, but it doesnt work on my desktop either03:35
tvon|x31oh oh03:35
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tbermandaniels: naw03:39
tbermandaniels: well, dmesg gives a /dev/scsi/etc and i dont have a /dev/scsi03:39
tbermandaniels: and like i said, its clee's usb keydrive, that worked an hour and a half ago in fc development03:40
tbermanso the drive and my hardware and g-v-m are known good03:40
danielstberman: weird03:40
nictukujdub, I've sent you a message about a support partnership in sept 23, I think.03:40
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jdubnictuku: can you resend?03:40
lonewolffgood morning03:40
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nictuku:) of course03:41
lonewolffcan anyone assist me, what is the default root pasword for a new install or ubuntu? i notices it doesent ask for one during install03:41
jg_jdub: you here?03:41
jdubjg_: yeah03:41
tbermandaniels: oh yo03:41
jdubjg_: how's it going?03:41
tbermandaniels: yes.03:41
jg_jdub: you are missing a major bet....03:41
dragi don't think you can use root in ubuntu03:41
draguse sudo03:41
jg_jdub: I reinstalled.03:41
lonewolffdrag: no root??03:41
drag(thats what i gathered from what i read about ubuntu)03:42
joem..read the faq about root passwd03:42
jg_jdub: your printer stuff isn't what it should  be....03:42
draguse sudo03:42
jdubjg_: oh? :-)03:42
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jg_jdub: it should be listening for IPP advertizements from cups servers....03:42
jduboh right03:42
tvon|x31there is no root login perse, if hard pressed you can get a root shell, but you shouldnt need it03:42
jdubso, we have a no listening policy by default03:42
WWlonewolff: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/ 03:42
jg_makes a big difference in usability.03:42
tbermandaniels: i can paste you some syslog info if you want.03:42
jdubwe'd need a clikcy-clicky thing to turn that on03:42
jg_why not listen?03:42
danielstberman: if you could email it (daniel.stone@canonical.com), that'd be neat03:42
tbermandaniels: wiil do03:43
jdubalso, i think in future, we'd be doing all of that via dns-sd anyway03:43
danielsjg_: i believe that is on the radar, yah03:43
lonewolffi am just used to doing su - before i need to use root ocmmands will just have to get used to using sudo03:43
jdubjg_: nothing (except portmap, which is locked down, and will not be there for our next release) listens on the network03:43
jg_jdub: it works today, works well, and is part of IPP.03:43
jdubjg_: unfortunately, gnome-cups-manager doesn't have a widget to turn it on03:44
traeno snap-to-grid in nautilus?03:44
jdubtrae: 'keep aligned'03:44
jg_jdub: that sucks.03:44
traethe grid must be super small or something03:44
traecause I can stick icons on top of each other03:45
jdubtrae: it is a wacky grid, yeah ;)03:45
nictukuok, Jeff. sent to jeff.waugh@canonical.com03:45
lonewolffah ha sorted out now ...03:45
jdubit doesn't stop you doing that if you really want to03:45
traeoh, there are "half-steps"03:45
traeok... I see03:45
traeactually, that's kinda smart03:45
traejust didn't know what I was seeing03:45
jdubjg_: combination of policy and a missing feature. :-)03:45
traeheh, maybe not03:46
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jg_jdub: major missing feature, in my book :-(03:46
jdubjg_: can you turn it on in the cups web thingy?03:46
jg_jdub: I've never seen how...03:47
jg_I've had to go figure out what to put in cupsd.conf.03:47
jg_which sucks.03:47
jdubperhaps we can put a comment in our cupsd.conf03:47
jduband look at adding that setting to g-c-m in future03:47
jdubjg_: printer stuff in gnome is really not with the times, still :)03:47
jg_automagic printer discovery is a *big* deal to end users...03:48
traeI can't seem to hack in my "F1 launches gnome-terminal" in gnome-edit anymore. 03:48
jg_jdub: yes, unfortunately.03:48
traeI used to be able to get metacity to do F1 to launch a term.03:48
jg_jdub: we keep trying to get IPG to wake up, but so far, no luck.03:48
trae(and have done that for eons in metacity, sawfish, windowmaker, E, whatever03:48
jdubjg_: actually, i think the next release will have per-user cupsd, which will let us do that03:49
jameshjdub: is that for the case of no local printers?03:49
whiprushjdub: heh, thanks for the mention03:49
jdubjamesh: should work with local printers too03:50
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m_tthewwhile there is cups/gnome-print-* talk, what is the 'right' way to enable sharing my local printer over the network? I am cups - retarded.03:50
whiprushdude I found a local mac guy who will give the lisa a good home ...03:50
jameshjdub: so you give the user direct access to the parallel port or USB device?03:50
jdubjamesh: ask the red hat dudes (J5 i think)03:50
jameshof course, the nicest way to handle it is to assume your printer has a network card :)03:51
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traeremember gang, ubuntu is utnubu spelled backwards.03:53
whiprushjdub: dude you totally forgot the case for rounded panel corners.03:54
jduboh good point03:54
jdubi am a bad person03:54
lifelessthen we can have the MacOS 5 theme03:54
nojothe MacOS 5 theme03:55
jg_jdub: so I turn on browsing and now my gnome-print-manager hangs when I try to mess with it....03:56
whiprushjdub: heh, if you see the animation for opening windows .. it's like the current metacity animation ... distrubingly so.03:57
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tbermandaniels: sent.03:57
jdubjg_: heh, ouch :|03:57
phlaegeldoes enabling cups browsing by default even really constitute listening?03:57
danielstberman: rad, thanks03:58
chutwiganyone want to write my paper for me03:58
jg_phlaegel: yeah, it got so far as to show what printers I have here....03:58
chapeaurougeany chance the transparent metacity patch gets included in ubuntu ?03:58
phlaegeljg_: same here. my point is that I don't think it violates the no-listening policy03:58
jdubchapeaurouge: we don't ship Xorg or composite03:59
jdubchapeaurouge: so, no point03:59
jdubjg_: what's the cupsd.conf snippet?03:59
jg_jdub: Browsing On03:59
jg_phlaegel: it does mean that cupsd is listening for incoming broadcast packets.04:00
whiprushtberman: around?04:00
chapeaurougejdub: correct... do you have a link why you dont ship xorg? 04:00
phlaegeljg_: yeah, but in the same way that samba shares work.04:00
jdubchapeaurouge: because we didn't have time to handle it on top of everything else. next release.04:00
chapeaurougejdub: way cool :) thx04:01
whiprushchapeaurouge: search teh Debian X lists.04:01
jdubwhiprush: they don't have much to do with why we didn't ship xorg. :)04:01
whiprushguys like daniles don't see a benefit in packaging the monolithic stuff.04:02
jg_JD: I think one should also default to BrowseAddress @LOCAL04:02
whiprushjdub: dude I asked the guy. :p04:02
jdubwhiprush: still doesn't have much to do with why we didn't ship it. :-)04:02
whiprushyes, I read the stuff.04:02
whiprushI think even morons like me would have done the same thing.04:03
tbermanwhiprush: yeah04:03
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jg_jdub: the print manager won't even let me set the default printer without hanging.  Not good.04:03
whiprushplus, it's not like shipping Xorg _today_ matters. Maybe when upstream ships support for it, it will rule.04:04
lonewolffsorry to be a pain but is there a gui i can use in ubuntu to configure my network interfaces04:04
whiprushsay it isn't so.04:04
jdubjg_: so with browsing on / browseaddress @LOCAL, it's listening for udp broadcasts04:04
whiprush"Todd Berman of the Mono project helped us out when we started up, and served as our sort of CTO," said Daniel Lang, a Seven L representative. "Todd pushed us to use Gentoo; he was really excited about its customizability and flexibility."04:04
whiprushtberman: tell me you're off the gentoo kick.04:04
tbermanwhiprush: im on ubuntu now04:04
jg_jdub: I think so, IIRC when I configured my debian box.04:04
jdublonewolff: computer > system configuration > networking04:04
tbermanwhiprush: clee made me install it04:05
whiprushtberman: thank god.04:05
tbermanwhiprush: dude04:05
tbermanwhiprush: do me a favour04:05
tbermanwhiprush: link my blog on just "Todd"04:05
cleeheh. favour.04:05
tbermanim trying to google-push my "Todd" stats04:05
jdubjg_: hrm, print manager is working ok here, but i only have one printer on the network ;)04:05
whiprushwhich link?04:05
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tbermanwhiprush: i thought that was an ars article04:05
whiprushoh oh04:05
whiprushthat's hard04:05
whiprushgive me a day or two on that04:05
tbermanwhiprush: dude04:05
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jg_jdub: the BrowseAddress @LOCAL lis also important; you don't a cups server you run to trigger dialouts.04:06
tbermanwhiprush: hook a brother up04:06
cleeand 'clee' as well.04:06
tbermanTodd Berman gets my blog04:06
cleeit's pretty neat.04:06
tbermanbut Todd gets fuckall about me04:06
whiprushdude, I just work for them ... this is no joke, the whole site is done by hand.04:06
tbermanbecause everyone links me as Todd Berman04:06
tbermanwhiprush: haha :)04:06
whiprushit's hard. but i'll work it04:06
joemtberman, hmm..spawn is a tough one to beat04:06
tbermanwhiprush: well, if you can, that would own :)04:06
whiprushyes yes04:06
tbermanjoem: yeah04:06
jdubguys, off-topic stuff elsewhere please :-)04:06
ioslipstreamhey whiprush, is that lisa pic running ubuntu real?04:06
whiprushioslipstream: no04:06
ioslipstreamrol, i know04:07
ioslipstreami saw your little disclaimer04:07
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jdubjg_: hrm, i wonder if my printer even broadcasts.04:07
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phlaegelok, gnome-cups-manager really doesn't work very well, does it?04:08
chutwignot really04:08
phlaegela printer shared on another machine show up, but I can't do anything with it.04:08
jg_jdub: I think the right thing is to have local printers *not* be advertized by default, and the local cups server "see" all broadcasts.04:08
whiprushoh dude04:08
whiprushthe new print page is sweet04:08
chutwigphlaegel: in my experience it's been pretty broken04:08
jg_jdub: you don't want N cups servers advertizing the same printer.04:08
phlaegelthe cups stuff in fedora works pretty nice04:08
jdubjg_: mmm04:08
phlaegeland kde04:08
phlaegeltoo bad I don't particularly like fedora or kde. :-)04:09
draghas gnome gotten faster? last time i tried it was about 5-6 months ago and it was really really slow04:10
jdubdrag: depends on how much ram you have.04:10
jg_jdub: after maybe a 3 minute timeout, the manager finally pops up a window on the printer I wanted to examine the properties of....04:10
lonewolffdoes anyone know why my wireless card wouldnt show up in the network config app?04:10
nojoi dont know this gnome 2.8 feels more responsive to me too04:11
joemlonewolff, is it supported?04:11
MaisHey- is there any updates on a nvidia driver for x86-64?04:11
lonewolffjoem: it worked fine under linux before using the atmel_cs driver04:11
WWI'm use Synaptic to get a package called bluefish.  It started downloading, but now a window has popped up that says:04:11
WWPlease insert the disk labeled:04:11
WWUbuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Unofficial i386 Binary-1 (20040915)04:11
WWin drive /cdrom/04:11
joemlonewolff, do you have the drivers for it loaded, and is the card working otherwise?04:12
lonewolffand i have set up wireless.opts the same way but the card does not show up as hardware in the network config app04:12
lonewolffyes the module atmel_cs is loaded and the loght is on on the card so its getting power and the card is not broken in any way04:12
jdubWW: insert your install disk, or you can remove that line from your sources if you don't want it04:12
jg_jdub: well, I have to go to bed....04:13
WWjdub: Ah, I forgot that line is still there.  I've never gotten this window before.04:13
dragi got a gig of ram.. 04:15
dragbut even with that it used to be slow04:15
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dragok time to try this thing out :>04:16
lonewolffif only i coudl get this wireless to work 04:16
nojolonewolff wuts the prob04:16
lonewolffthe hardware is not showing up when i go to add a new wireless network connection 04:16
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jdubdoes glxinfo always say indirect when you've got the ati drivers installed?04:23
danielsit shouldn't04:23
jdubhrm, so does fglrxinfo04:23
cybrjackle|lappysomeone tell my ubuntu just works?04:24
jdubdaniels: hrm04:24
cybrjackle|lappyI feel like I need to go back to gentoo/slackware/fedora just so i can make things work right :)04:24
danielsjdub: are you sure you're using the fglrx driver, and not still using ati?04:24
jdubi changed XF86Config-404:25
cybrjackle|lappyYou guys/gals have done some remarkable work!04:25
jdub$ fgl_glxgears04:25
jdubError: couldn't get fbconfig04:25
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cybrjackle|lappyWhen are we going to see a dev tree with say something like, xorg in it?04:25
jdubcybrjackle|lappy: soon, but after the final release04:25
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cybrjackle|lappyfinal of worty?04:26
jdubwe're concentrating on that atm04:26
cybrjackle|lappythats like mid/late October right 8)04:26
joebeastiei assume after the final we wont see so many updates in warty main as we do now?04:26
jdubcybrjackle|lappy: yes04:26
ioslipstreamseeing as ubuntu seems to do everything but send the girls to your door... can we expect the Hoary release to fill that gap, or should I file a bug report?04:26
jdubjoebeastie: none, apart from security fixes, dataloss and high-impact bugs04:27
cybrjackle|lappybtw, your pre-release seems like a final 8)04:27
jdubioslipstream: you're not using it right.04:27
ioslipstreamjdub: heh04:27
jdubioslipstream: i would close that bug "WORKSFORME"04:27
joebeastiejdub: that was what i thought. thanks. i heard about someone making or thinking about making an ubuntu applet to check for updates as well?04:27
mikeI have a question and I am afraid I'll be slammed for it but...  how do I apt-get the kernel sources so I can build an SMP kernel?04:28
jdubjoebeastie: that'll be in the next release too04:28
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jdubmike: smp kernels are available already04:28
joebeastiejdub: thanks :)04:28
mikeIt didn't install...04:28
cybrjackle|lappy$ uname -a04:28
cybrjackle|lappyLinux neo #1 SMP 04:28
jdubmike: apt-cache search linux smp :-)04:28
lamontmike: apt-cache search linux-image04:28
mikeO.K.  I'll try that... is it a matter of simply installing an image, or will I need to rebuild?04:29
cybrjackle|lappyjdub, are you going to move to gamin instead of fam in the final or in horay?04:29
lamontjdub: maybe we should create kernel-image packages that do nothing but Depend on the linux-image package... :-)04:29
jdubit's a binary kernel package, just install it04:29
jdublamont: heh04:29
jdubcybrjackle|lappy: in hoary04:29
thursdayis it normal to get 30-60 updates on a daily basis?04:29
jdubcybrjackle|lappy: but you can install it now from universe04:30
jdubcybrjackle|lappy: i'm using it atm :)04:30
cleedaniels: you'll note that I have converted tberman not only from bash to zsh, but also from FC2 to Ubuntu04:30
cybrjackle|lappydoes it remove or should you remove fam04:30
jdubthursday: between preview and final, with lots of bugfixing, sure :)04:30
danielsclee: impressive04:30
mikeThanks!  I'll give it a shot!!04:30
jdubcybrjackle|lappy: apt-get install --purge gamin04:30
jdubcybrjackle|lappy: that'll kill fam good :)04:30
cleedaniels: Yeah, I rule. I sold him on zsh in about two minutes.04:30
thursdayjdub, ahhh thanks04:30
danielsclee: if only it was a two-minute job on you04:30
jdubif you don't need portmap, remove --purge it too04:30
cleedaniels: I know, it was more like two years for me.04:31
cybrjackle|lappyjdub, was portmap only a dep of fam or is it used for something else?04:31
mikeYikes.  There's a hundred of 'em!04:31
jdubit's used by all kinds of things, but only by fam in the desktop install04:31
jdubdaniels: so do you know what this lack of fbconfig foo is?04:32
danielsjdub: gbconfig?04:32
jdubor why i do not have gl love04:32
jdubno, i pasted above04:32
jdubwrt ati drivers04:32
tbermanclee: yeah04:33
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tbermanlike i said04:33
tbermanyou owe me KDE->gnome and C++->C#04:33
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cleenow tberman thinks he's going to convert me from KDE development in C++ to GNOME in C#04:33
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jduboff-topic stuff elsewhere please04:33
tbermanjdub: does ubuntu detect a windows partition and setup dual-boot-fu?04:33
lonewolffhey again, i have my wireless hardware recognised but why cant i set the wep key in the gnome netork config ?04:33
danielsjdub: erm, that's really weeird04:33
danielsjdub: you can bounce me your xfree86 log if you like04:33
jdubtberman: yes, though you have to press escape quickly when it's booting (we don't show the grub menus atm)04:33
tbermanjdub: thats a cfg option?04:34
tbermanjdub: and you can set it to default to windows, right?04:34
jdubdaniels: dri initialisation failed! (maybe driver kenrnel module missing or bad) 2d acceleration available (mmio) no 3d acceleration available04:35
jdubdaniels: bong04:35
jdubtberman: yes04:35
jdubtberman: er, it's a menu.lst config option04:35
tbermanjdub: nod.04:35
danielsjdub: have you got the fglrx module probed?04:35
danielsjdub: oh04:35
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jdubin future, it'll show the menu if you have multiple OSes on install04:35
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jdubdaniels: yes, it's loaded04:35
danielsjdub: try setting Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "0" (or whatever it is)04:35
locuhello all04:36
WWGosh darn it! I keep getting windows with the bottom hidden below the task bar at the bottom of the screen.04:36
locugot a quick question maybe somebody can help. I just downloaded the iso all excited about giving unbuntu a try. 04:36
locuhowever when i get to installing the base system  i get an "expected )" error04:37
Slackeerbhow would I burn an audio cd on ubuntu; Like to play in a cd player?04:37
jdubdaniels: (btw, nvidia_agp and agpgart are loaded, too)04:37
Maisspeaking of 2d/3d acceleration.......jdub: anything related to being able to launch xserve with an AMD64 and a Nvidia card?04:37
danielsjdub: yeah, I'd say it's the internal agpgart bong biting you04:37
jdubMais: i'm not sure if the drivers are in yet, but they might be04:38
jdubMais: try installing nvidia-glx04:38
thaytanjdub: does the ubuntu kernel have any funky patches applied?04:38
thursdaywait can you explain what main universe is or what's in it? so that i can decide about uncommenting it in sources.list04:39
thaytanI'm debating installing a 2.6.9-rc1 kernel in order to try out some patches that purport to support my SD slot04:39
Maisthey still come up as outdated and removed or missing, mabye an upgrade will fix that, thanks04:39
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jdubthaytan: not... amazingly funky04:39
jdubthursday: it's unsupported software from debian main04:40
WWWow, this is messed.  I now have window whose top line is underneath the top task bar, and whose bottom edge is underneath the bottom task bar. TSNH.04:40
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jdubdaniels: using built in AGPGART module: yes04:41
WWIs this a know bug?04:41
jdubdaniels: and then the same error as before04:41
thursdayjdub, from woody?04:42
jdubWW: press alt and drag the window away04:42
punkass_any one know how to use the "windows" key for shortcuts?04:42
jdubthursday: no way dude, from sid. we branch off sid.04:42
thursdayjdub, ahhh ok04:42
danielsjdub: you want to not use the built-in agpgart modlue04:42
danielsjdub: maybe it's NoUseInternalAGPGART04:42
jdubdaniels: oh.04:42
daniels(this is why I hate fglrx.)04:42
jdubno, my config mistake04:42
cybrjackle|lappywhats the command to see how many pacakges are in the repo?04:42
jdubset to UseInternalAGPGART false04:43
jdubcybrjackle|lappy: apt-cache stats04:43
WWjdub: Thanks.  04:43
cybrjackle|lappyshwoing a deb fan some stuff04:43
cybrjackle|lappyand it's been awhile sine i've been in debian04:43
jdubdaniels: should i expect bong ati adverts or anything?04:43
SlackeerbSo no one at all knows how to burn a audio cd for cd players on ubuntu? =(04:44
jdubSlackeerb: there's no app that does it in supported04:44
thursdayjdub, thanks much04:44
jdubSlackeerb: if you want to try things from universe, i hear k3b can do that well04:44
WWIs gnome/metacity supposed to allow me to drag the top of a window into the upper task bar?  Normally it does, but the height of this window spanned the height of the screen.04:44
danielsjdub: Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no", apparently04:44
danielsjdub: just direct rendering04:44
Slackeerbjdub: isnt k3b a kde app thow?04:44
WWs/it does/it does _not_/04:44
jdubdaniels: seems to grok both04:45
jdubdaniels: using built in AGPGART module: no04:45
jduband same error ;)04:45
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danielswant to bounce me your complete log?04:45
tsengchvt 1 doesnt help04:45
danielstseng: does not doing chvt at all, help?04:45
jdubunable to acquire AGP, error "xf86_ENOMEM"04:45
tsenglettuce see04:45
danielsjdub: oh man04:46
cybrjackle|lappyhey, since there are some many devel's in here, how about a sparc port 8)04:46
danielsjdub: yeah, I got that, and I think disabling the internal AGPGART fixed that04:46
jdubcybrjackle|lappy: there are a couple of us with sparc machines who might start building04:46
danielsjdub: maybe try enabling it, and removing nvidia_agp and agpgart04:46
jdubcybrjackle|lappy: but it's not supported04:46
lifelessdaniels: the -12 ati drivers gave me my opengl luv bacl.04:46
lifelessbut xrandr is still not happy.04:46
tsenghere goes the button, wish me luck04:46
cybrjackle|lappyjdub, i don't care about support, just want a iso with packages to install.04:46
cybrjackle|lappyjdub, i have a lot of sun hardware, can i help?04:47
cybrjackle|lappytired of gentoo on sparc, takes to long, want to move to debian04:47
thursdayThe following packages have been kept back:04:47
danielslifeless: yeah, apparently fglrx doesn't do xrandr. bong.04:47
thursday  bind9-host dnsutils gnomemeeting04:47
jdubdaniels: hrm, can't remove nvidia_agp ;)04:47
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lifelessdaniels: arh.04:47
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baietashey guys.. i'm using kernel 2.6.8 but i can't find the sources with apt-get.. is that normal?04:48
danielslifeless: i can't do anything about it04:48
danielsjdub: guh04:48
lifelessdaniels: I know that phool :)04:48
danielsjdub: in this case, the only thing I can suggest is Google04:48
jdubcybrjackle|lappy: not sure yet, we haven't really thought about it much given work on warty04:48
jdubi might reboto into single user mode04:48
cybrjackle|lappyany good how-to's on porting to sparc?04:49
jdubno idea04:49
cybrjackle|lappydamn you man, what good are you ;-)04:49
jdubstart with debian something, and start bootstrapping04:49
jdubbut it won't be fun without a buildd04:49
lifelessapt-build might help04:50
baietaswhere do i find the kernel source for my 2.6.8? apt-get doednt have them04:50
jdubbaietas: apt-cache search linux source04:50
cybrjackle|lappyis there any docs on what you did differnt from a normal debian build to your ubuntu build?04:50
jdubdaniels: hah, gar, even in recovery mode it loads nvidia_agp and something mysterious is using it...04:51
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tsengdaniels: no love04:53
danielstseng: ugh. what sort of chipset do you have?04:53
danielsjdub: yeep :\04:53
tsengintel + radeon mobility04:53
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baietashow do i edit my Gnome Menu to remove/add Applications?04:53
danielstseng: hooray04:53
whiprushanyone testing the new utopia stuff?04:54
theantixI am, yes04:54
tsengwhiprush: how do you mean new04:54
punkass_baietas: right click on menu04:54
whiprushmy usb2 connection to my ipod stopped working, and the firewire started working04:54
baietaspunkass thank you04:54
punkass_lol np04:54
whiprushtseng: the sources posted to the list.04:54
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tsenghaha i made the news page!04:56
jdubdaniels: erm04:56
jdubdaniels: no matching device section for instance ... found04:56
RossTHey guys, I'm having some serious problems during install with the computer just flat shutting itself off. It seems to happen most often during package copying. Is this a known bug and/or should I try a nightly instead of the Warthog release?04:56
jdubdaniels: then the same unable to acquire agp error04:56
danielsjdub: so much bong04:57
cybrjackle|lappylookie there04:57
whiprushman, I must have missed "kernel cousin ubuntu".04:57
joebeastiedid not realized there was one :)04:57
joebeastienow i have something new to read at work04:58
whiprushyou know might what rule ... 04:58
whiprushsomething like the mandrake club, for ubuntu.04:58
whiprushso I can just pick a package, pay money, and have someone package it.04:58
cybrjackle|lappywhiprush, that sounds like a hell of an idea04:59
cybrjackle|lappyum, no it doesn't 04:59
tsengdaniels: hmm04:59
tsengdaniels: my birthday is oct 2104:59
cybrjackle|lappywith 13K + packages, is there something missing?05:00
tsengthx for the present.05:00
cybrjackle|lappyhappy early birth day tseng, how old are you going to be :)05:00
jdubtseng: pipka's bday is 20th ;)05:00
cybrjackle|lappyah, getting old05:00
tsengjdub: man05:00
tsengwe'll be partying like mad that week05:01
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RossTAlmost ready for Social Security there. ~_^05:01
vasihas anybody had any problems with the hfsplus fs?05:02
jdubdaniels: so it seems like it might work with the other drivers loaded05:02
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jdubdaniels: but that's a skanky error05:02
vasiit seems to be convinced atm that i have a FS mounted read-only, but mount says it's read-write05:02
RossTLittle more bug info if it helps (probably doesn't): Kernel locks at ACPI on boot without the noacpi option so the shutting off maybe an acpi related issue except the shutdown still happens after it's booted with noacpi? Really confused, honestly.05:03
tsengvasi: yeah i read something like that on gnomeplanet today05:03
danielsjdub: try disabling AGP 8x in the BIOS05:03
Jasona90I just started using Ubuntu today, but i cant get web pages to load05:03
danielstseng: no worries05:03
vasithanks tseng, i'll take a look05:03
Jasona90I can ping GOOGLE but cant load the page05:04
RossTDo you have a dns set, Jasona90?05:04
Jasona90im not sure i never have to mess with this stuff cus i mostly use windows05:04
Jasona90im trying to get into the linux stuff05:04
RossTOkay, well, I'm coming from a gentoo world, but can you look inside your /etc/ folder and see if you have file called resolv.conf?05:05
jdubdaniels: bong, okay :)05:05
punkass_RossT: have you tried noapic or nolapic ?worked for me with issues on a laptop05:06
Jasona90yea There is05:06
RossTUsing both, punkass_. Neither one seems to help.05:06
RossTCan you open it in gedit, Jasona90?05:06
RossTTell me if there's anything in there?05:06
punkass_oh k, thought u said noacpi05:06
baietasdoes anyone know if the Philips WebCam Driver works with debian?05:06
Jasona90is the only thibng05:07
RossTI probably did, punkass_. Typo. My bad.05:07
danielsjdub: also, increasing your AGP aperture size (should be a BIOS option) can help05:07
RossTTry putting this in there Jason: "nameserver"05:07
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jdubdaniels: i'll try that next, if this doesn't work05:07
jdubdaniels: currently 64MB05:08
lifelessdaniels: is dbus a freedesktop project product or is dbus its own project just hosted @ freedesktop ?05:08
danielsjdub: try 12805:08
RossTJasona90: Just put that in there as the only line, then save it. Then try to load up www.google.com.05:08
danielslifeless: freedesktop project05:08
jdubdaniels: hr, ok, that didn't work05:09
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jdubwill do 128 now05:09
defendguinwhen ubuntu releases for real i would hope the packages will be a little bit more stable05:09
danielsjdub: ber05:09
jdubdefendguin: there will be no updates apart from security, dataloss and high impact fixes after the final release date.05:10
jdubdefendguin: preview is precisely what it says it is. :-)05:10
defendguini understand05:10
danielsdefendguin: if any packages in particular are giving you problems, please file bugs at http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com -- we'd love to fix them05:10
defendguinim used to this being called a test release05:10
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jdubdaniels: same error05:11
defendguincan i file bugs against the network config app sucking?05:11
jdubdefendguin: if you explain the problem usefully, sure.05:11
cybrjackle|lappyapp sucking is a hard error to fix05:12
defendguini think i can do that05:12
danielsjdub: this is with internalagpgart off?05:12
danielsjdub: if so, try Option "UseFastTLS" "2"05:12
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jdubdaniels: this is with useinternalagpgart true05:13
jdubi'll try the other way05:13
danielsjdub: yeah, try with false05:13
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jdubdaniels: btw, can we use -br? :)05:14
danielsjdub: the backing store?05:14
jdubblack background05:14
danielsjdub: oh yeah05:14
danielsjdub: totally05:14
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jdubdoesn't work with agpgart off and the nvidia_agp module loaded05:15
jdubwill try with fasttls 205:15
Jasona90The file is acually called resolvconf not resolv.conf05:15
danielsjdub: do you want black, or grey?05:15
Jasona90im assuming there is a big difference05:15
jdubsame error05:15
jdubdaniels: black seems nicer05:16
danielsfair cop05:16
tsengJasona90: not the same.05:16
jdubnup same rrors all around town05:16
danielsargh, still ENOMEM?05:16
danielsjdub: ugh05:16
Jasona90K so how do i Set up dns05:16
danielsjdub: anything useful in dmesg?05:16
tsengnameserver x.x.x.x05:16
Jasona90so make the file resolv.conf05:16
jdubagp detected, agpstate = 0x00000000 (hardware caps of chipset)05:17
RossTJasona90: Make a file called resolv.conf, put it in /etc, then nameserver x.x.x.x         I use to use for testing, it may still work.05:17
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jdubfglrx:firegl_unlock]  *ERROR* process 648 using kernel context 005:17
danielsjdub: bongish05:17
danielsjdub: mind bouncing the full log my way?05:18
jdubx log?05:18
tvon|x31jdub: Is there anyone slated to give ubuntu.com & co a 'design'?  Is that an in-house sorta thing or are volunteers wanted?05:18
danielsjdub: yeah05:18
jdubtvon|x31: in-house atm05:18
Dashivais anyone going to do a forum?05:18
jdubDashiva: on its way05:19
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jdubDashiva: in the mean time, try this:05:19
cybrjackle|lappyi'm off to bed, been working to much and no sleep and i'm in a websphere class for work <-- which is like sleeping, so i'm out ;)05:19
cybrjackle|lappyget this, last complaint of the night, we install websphere on aix/solaris but the class work is paying for has us installing it on windows??  The weblogic class i was in 2 weeks ago same thing, linux/solaris/hp-ux, class = windows05:21
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RossTOkay, stupid question. I've managed to make it through the install, and get the thing booting, but it died halfway through the user setup. What options do you guys recommend I put on my kernel bootline to make 100% sure apic is gone? (pci=noapic, apic=off, etc)05:29
RossTOkay, it's noacpi, acpi=off, etc for grub. ....That's...really confusing.05:32
tsengi have: pci=noacpi nolapic05:33
tsengtwo different things05:33
tsengthat you are mixing up.05:33
RossTtseng: Guess it's dyslexia. I finally know what it's like to be president.05:34
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RossTSlightly different question then. It died half way through the firstboot series of questions. Is there a way I can rerun it to finish that setup?05:34
tsengrun base-config05:35
cleetseng: so when are you going to update to some newer mono and monodevelop builds?05:35
tsengclee: whats wrong with the ones now?05:35
cleetseng: tberman says that 0.5.1 is much better than 0.505:36
clee(for monodevelop)05:36
danielsjdub: ehm, that log still has useinternalagpgart on05:36
danielsjdub: try making that false05:36
tsengclee, what could tberman possibly know? :P05:36
cleetseng: he also wants to know how you got 0.5 to work with 1.0.105:36
tsengwith a patch05:36
tsengof magical goodness.05:36
tsengi have a source package up05:37
tsenggot the patch from latexer.05:37
cleeif you package 1.1.1, he says there's a patch that will make 0.5.1 work with 1.1.105:37
hornbecktseng: you do the ubuntu mono stuff right?05:37
tsengyes i do that.05:37
cleehornbeck: why else would I bitch at him about outdated packages? :)05:37
tsengclee: yes, I know05:37
cleetseng: well, ok then :)05:37
hornbeckclee: I have not been reading :)05:37
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hornbeckhow about a dbus-sharp?05:38
tseng0.5.1 didnt work right off from the debian source05:38
cleetseng: "well if he knows, where are the packages?" -tberman05:38
hornbeckso we can play with beagle05:38
tsengi didnt get to tweaking it to much yet05:38
tsengtberman: speak for yourself, foo!05:38
xfhowdy, trying to install ubuntu-amd64 on an asus k8v motherboard, grub doesn't seem to be installing properly. any ideas?05:38
tbermanyeah yeah yeah05:38
tbermani walked over here05:38
tsengya ya05:38
tbermanthats a lot of effort05:38
xf/boot/grub/menu.lst looks fine to me, not sure what's going on05:38
whiprushjdub: dude. after you posted your blog I've had three calls to my house asking for dibs on the lisa.05:38
tberman0.5.1 wont compile with 1.1.1 and gtk# 1.0.2 (mcs bugfix causes it) and it wont build assemblies without a different patch05:39
tbermantseng: latexer has a 0.5.1 patch to fix it up compilation and runtime w/ 1.1.105:39
tbermantseng: it works fine as is with 1.0.205:39
tsenghe told me :)05:39
tbermantseng: aaah05:40
tbermantseng: good :)05:40
tsengill try again05:40
subterrificanyone have experience working with SWIG+Python?05:40
subterrificand uhh, wrapping C++05:40
xfhi, anybody?05:40
subterrificwith callbacks05:41
hornbeckxf: I don't know05:41
subterrificcause it's a really pain05:41
xfhornbeck: makes two of us05:41
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eldadoshey guys05:41
tbermantseng: cool cool05:41
tbermantseng: just wondering why ubuntu isnt all up to date and shit :)05:41
xfi'm installing it on my master secondary hd if that makes any difference.  tried booting from the ubuntu cd, mounting the hd, chroot'ing, then grub-install /dev/hda, all with no success05:41
ultrafunkxf: using Warty? or a nightly ISO?05:42
xfwarty amd6405:42
tsengtberman: hit me with that patch05:42
tbermantseng: k, lemme pull it outta the archives05:43
tbermani lost it when clee made me format05:43
tbermanhe said he wouldnt feed me unless i formatted05:43
tbermanhe is a bastard05:43
tsenghm, im going to need to get patch for muine and blam too..05:43
xfit's hanging at the "GRUB loading, please wait..." prompt05:43
tsengif we go to 1.1.105:43
ultrafunkxf: try - http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/20040924/warty-amd64.iso05:43
xfok, ta05:43
RossTThings seem to be going well. Thanks very very much for the help everyone.05:43
tsengill start with just monodev 0.5.1 and we'll go from there..05:43
danielsjdub: oh man05:43
eldadosxf do you have another linux on?05:43
danielsjdub: when you come, you get to see my snoop doll05:43
ultrafunkxf: that's the ISO I used, for some reason Warty failed the same way when I tried to install it from CD05:44
xfeldados: no, but it's not hard to boot up a knoppix cd et al if needed05:44
xfah, fair enough05:44
xfi mean, it installed fine, grub just doesn't want to play ball05:44
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eldadosultrafunk what's the diff with this iso to the one from sep 15?05:45
xfdoh, only getting 10kb/sec off that site05:45
tbermantseng: http://lists.ximian.com/archives/public/monodevelop-patches-list/2004-September/001566.html05:45
xftheoretically i should be able to boot from a cd, mount the hd, chroot into it, then apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade, right?05:45
tsengthanks dude.05:45
tbermantseng: the middle piece of the patch is unneeded, but wont hurt.05:45
xfassuming if it's a problem solved by a later grub?05:45
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hornbecknice planet.ubuntu05:47
eldadosxf i tried ubuntu 64 b 4 and grub was fine, the problem i had was with X didn't pick my 6800...05:47
xfwhat motherboard?  i'm randomly guessing here but maybe it's an ide chipset issue05:47
danielseldados: the 6800 thing should be fixed now05:48
eldadosdaniels, with the 15-sep iso?05:48
xfnever mind, i just reinstalled ubuntu exactly the same way i did before and now it's booting05:48
danielsno, a more recent daily build05:48
eldadosis it xf86 or xorg?05:49
ultrafunkxf: mine was the k8v, same as yours05:49
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xfwhat video card?05:49
xfi'm curious how well the amd64 nvidia drivers run on a 64-bit distro05:49
xffingers crossed ut2004 etc runs faster than on win32 :-)05:49
xfah, have a 5900, seemed decent for the price05:50
eldadosxf I had gentoo 64 and unreal does not really run that much faster05:50
xfdoes a 64-bit kernel/userland really make things feel faster?05:50
tsengwas the a 64 bit unreal build?05:51
xfi'm wondering why i'm going through amd64 distro pain if there isn't much advantage, heh05:51
xfi believe so, yes05:51
tsengor are you comparing apples to raisens05:51
eldadosxf I'm asking the same... my yoper runs faster than gentoo 64!05:52
xfheh, probably because you aren't compiling everything in the background? :p05:52
xfi installed gentoo last night, but i'm too damn impatient, didn't even get past stage305:52
eldadoswell, I must say compiling gentoo was fast, very fast. but day to day..05:52
eldadosi started from boot strap and took about a week to get it up and running! sick of it :)05:53
calcxf: depends on the app05:54
xfyeow, any au ubuntu archive mirrors? i'm getting awful apt-get speeds05:54
calcxf: some things are much faster on amd6405:54
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xfcalc: ok, nice05:54
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jason__ubunto didnt ask me for a root password05:55
crimsunfor instance, loading that monstrosity called kde 3.3 :>05:55
jason__I dont know my root password05:55
eldadosjason__ ther isn't any use sudo05:55
vasijason__, there isn't one05:55
crimsunjason__: sudo. 'root' is not the way to go.05:55
vasiuse sudo05:55
jason__oh k05:56
calccrimsun: run gnome, that will help ;)05:56
crimsuncalc: i do ;)05:56
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vasitseng, the hfsplus problem i saw was fixed by doing hpmount/hpumount for some reason...05:56
eldadosanyone got amd64 up and runing and can tell the diff?05:58
jason__I have never used Sudo what does it do05:58
calceldados: things like oggenc run ~ 50% faster05:58
eldadoscool, what about opening apps, office... 05:59
calceldados: all depends on the app06:00
tsengtberman: so i got the deb updated and building06:00
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jason__how do i use sudo to set up the password06:00
calcnothing is slow on my box even in i386 though so i can't tell on normal non cpu bound apps06:00
tsengtberman: when i go to the new project thinger, i get an error about a missing template, is that your bug or mine?06:00
xfsounds like 64-bit is better for number-crunching stuff06:01
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calcxf: it has lots more usable registers which helps06:01
jason__what is sudo06:01
eldadosjason__ did you follow the link above?06:02
jason__i cant get wep pages to load 06:02
jason__thats why i need root access so i can change the resolv.config file06:02
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eldadosjason__ it's just using the root as a normal user, just like when you type su and password06:03
jason__i dont know the password for Su06:03
jason__i dont remeber setting one06:04
eldadosit's your user pass06:04
jason__yea i tried that06:04
jason__but it says authentication failed06:04
eldadosdid you sudo command?06:04
jason__i have never used sudo06:04
jason__dont know anything about it06:05
jason__i always have used distrobutions that set all this stuff up for me06:05
jason__like suse and redhat06:05
eldados:) type sudo and than the command you want it will ask you for a password, enter your user pass06:05
xfif you're lazy you can always 'sudo /bin/bash', or 'sudo -s'06:05
xfwhich is the same as su, really06:06
xfbest to use sudo to invoke individual commands, though, concept is that you only use it when you do things that can potentially be dangeroud06:06
xfer, ud/us even. more coffee i think06:06
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eldadosxf what speed did you get from the daily site?06:07
xfsame speed as i'm getting in my initial ubuntu install apt-get06:08
eldados:) i'm getting 80-100kb ...06:08
xf3 hours remaining :-(06:08
xfyou in au?06:08
xfhaha, my fault then06:08
xfother machine's downloading at 180kb/sec06:08
eldadosI have to share with the rest of the office :)06:09
xfi have to share with myself06:09
xfwhich is hard enough, heh06:09
tsengsharing with yourself is the suck.06:09
tsengnever enough to go around06:09
xfright on06:09
eldadosgot to go and do some work, i sepose...06:10
eldadosc u guys l8tr06:10
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ZolrathCurse you GRUB! Or my own stupidity.. one of the two.06:13
xfhaha, sounds like a familiar problem06:14
ZolrathUpon restart even if I reformat the whole drive I am lucky enough to get to stare at the grub loading prompt.06:14
ZolrathAm I doomed for failure?06:14
xfi'm having exactly the same problem06:14
xfas stupid as this sounds06:14
xfit seems to work on every 2nd install. i don't know why either.06:14
ZolrathIve done it about six times heh06:14
ZolrathPerhaps 7 times is the charm06:15
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jason__some of my pages will load like ubuntu but most do not06:16
ZolrathGRUB loading, please wait...06:16
Zolrathhow long does it take for you when it finally worked xf?06:16
xfit did06:16
xfthen i reinstalled because i realised i put it on the wrong hd06:16
xfand having the same issue now06:16
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Alexahey all06:16
xfso trying a reinstall06:16
jason__so if i dont have resolv.conf this will cause most pages not to load06:17
Alexai need some help setting up a pcmcia port and a wireless card on debian, im really used ot gentoo, so i dont really know how the package system works06:17
ZolrathI'm assuming when it finally works it will be pretty much instant?06:17
xfreinstalling to solve a linux issue makes me feel stupid06:17
xfbut beats me what the issue is. grub's config file looked fine.06:17
fragmentxf: what's the problem?06:17
xfwaht Zolrath said, on reboot after install grub hangs06:18
jason__alexa you go to WT06:18
fragmentxf: Any other OSes on the box?06:18
Alexajason__ hahaha06:18
jason__lol whats up06:18
xfthere's a winxp ntfs install on the first hd, but i'm about to wipe it anyway06:18
xfonly thing that could be throwing grub/the installer out is i'm installing on the primary slave06:19
ZolrathMine had windows xp the first time, so after a few reinstalls I just reformatted the whole drive06:19
fragmentxf: Oh, also, something bizarre that happened to me the other day, I had a drive set to cable select and it and everything disagreed on what should be happening.  The motherboard swore it didn't exist, GRUB swore it was the slave, even though it was the only drive on the cable.  I jumpered it to be the master, and (ugh) reinstalled, and everything was great.  I probably could should have...06:20
fragment...just tweaked the fstab and reinstalled grub, but the install is painless.06:20
xfheh, CS certainly gives headaches06:21
fragmentxf: So your slave drive install could be a culprit.06:21
fragmentI've also had issues in the past swapping back and forth from Windows to Linux installs.  Usually blowing away the MBR works.06:23
fragmentI used to keep a Win98 boot disk handy for just such an occasion.  fdisk /mbr06:23
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fragmentXP recovery console can do the same, and it will still boot into XP.  Handy if you need to kill an old GRUB install.06:24
fragmentThough, I haven't run XP at home in over a year, I think.06:24
calcfragment: erm xp recovery console has no fdisk06:24
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calci tried doing that yesterday since someone had previously said it did06:25
fragmentcalc: Yeah, but it has something that does the same trick.  bootsomething06:25
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fragmentmakeboot, fixboot....that's it.  Fixboot06:25
calcthx :)06:26
xffragment: yeah, tried all that, didn't work06:26
fragmentIf I remember correctly, fixboot actually just erases the MBR and the machine boots to the first bootable partition instead.06:26
defendguinhmm i just had a problem when trying to play a dvd 06:26
xfbut i just reinstalled06:26
xfand now it booted up.06:26
xfthis is wierd06:26
defendguinX Error of failed request:  BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)06:26
xflike i said, i feel stupid doing a reinstall to solve a linux problem06:27
defendguinMajor opcode of failed request:  141 (XVideo)06:27
xfit's like when a client reboots a linux server because 'it's not working'06:27
xfand it always turns out to be a client windows issue06:27
defendguinanyone spead DVD?06:27
fragmentI've had two painless ubuntu installs so far, and I'm sold.  I've always been a Debian fan, though.06:27
fragmentdefendguin: Sorry, not here.06:27
xfi've been saying for years i want a debian with 6 month release cycles06:27
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xfas soon as ubuntu's stable enough for server use, i'll definitely be deploying it06:28
fragmentdefendguin: Though, it almost sounds like an out of memory issue.  Just for kicks, did you try to fire up the DVD player with sudo?06:28
xfkudos to the ubuntu team if they manage to keep their promise of 6 month cycles, supported for 18 months06:28
xfthat's a hell of a lot of work06:28
defendguingood suggestion06:28
fragmentxf: I'm thinking of setting up a netatalk server for a friend using Ubuntu, just to see how it goes.06:28
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xfi'm curious how the company supporting ubuntu actually makes a living, considering all is oss and free06:29
fragmentdefendguin: It might also be worth a 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'06:29
xfgiven some smart business planning, i guess they could act as a consultancy for linux deployments, particulary for goverments; certainly needed06:29
fragmentIs it really a company doing the support?  I thought it was a community effort.06:29
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subterrificxf: the same way any open source company makes money: selling support06:29
defendguinfragment, i am fully updated06:30
=== fragment works in education, and thinks Ubuntu could have some success there as well.
xfsubterrific: sure, but many open source companies that give everything they have away for free barely make enough to support theirselves06:30
xfwhich is dissapointing; i love oss business models, but go figure06:30
defendguinfragment, you think this might have something to do with the amount of memory on my video card?06:30
fragmentAlso, almost worthy of going toe to toe with Lindows in the Grandma-Enabled Linux department :)06:30
xftake redhat and the whole fedora/rhel move06:30
fragmentdefendguin: Maybe.06:31
Niteriderquick question, when dual booting, how do i access my windows partition with ubuntu, i'm used to other deb based distros and kde, where my partition was on the desktop, i couldn't seem to find out how to jump to my windass partition in ubuntu, can it be done in gnome and ubuntu?06:31
subterrificxf: you don't think redhat is doing well?06:31
xfsubterrific: sure, they're doing brilliantly now06:31
xfbut to move to such a model would have raised questions about its profitability before06:31
fragmentNiterider: You'll want to see if you have the NTFS filesystem module installed (I'm on a Windows laptop at the moment, so can't check).06:32
subterrificwell now that redhat proved it can be done, canonical can follow06:32
fragmentNiterider: cat /proc/cpuinfo06:32
fragmentwhoops, make that /proc/filesystems06:32
Niteriderk..but i don't need ntfs, just fat 3206:32
fragmentNiterider: Oh, perfect06:32
fragmentNiterider: Windows on the first partition?06:32
subterrificdigium is another company that is doing fantastic giving away their software product as oss06:32
xfheh, if ubuntu sold something like rhel, i'd almost definitely buy it06:32
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Niteriderit was my only real prob with it06:33
fragmentNiterider: Try opening a command line, and: sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/floppy06:33
fragment(or some other mount point)06:33
dienteam having some trouble with my sound....06:34
Niteriderotherwise i love it (need to really get used to Gnome though) but it's seems to finally be one i can say i'll stick with06:34
Niteridersuper...thanks fragment06:35
fragmentNiterider: If that works, and you can see your Windows filesystem, you can modify /etc/fstab so it'll always show up in a mountpoint (i.e. folder) of your choice.  'man fstab' is a good place to start06:35
dientei had been all the afternoon tryng to get it up....06:35
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xfsubterrific: nice, they have any financial reports et al?06:35
Niteridernow i'll put it back on06:35
mr_hatwhere are the ppc iso's of ubuntu06:35
fragmentdiente: When I have that problem, I start thinking 'Viagra'....06:35
dientefragment,  LOL06:35
Niteriderthanks a million06:35
xfi recently left a company where we were supporting an oss project, company changed their mind and went completely closed source06:36
fragmentNiterider: No problem!06:36
dientethat bluepill06:36
fragmentdiente: Sorry, couldn't resist the joke.06:36
dientefragment, np06:36
xfdespite the fact we never "lost" any sales to oss; in fact, it gave us some as the endusers needed support06:36
fragmentdiente: Which sound card or chipset is in your machine?06:36
mr_hatis there a ppc iso?06:36
subterrificxf: not sure, i just know the guy who started digium and wrote asterisk06:36
dienteintel 81006:36
fragmentmr_hat: No idea.  I  saw ppc mentioned on the Web site, but haven't seen it.06:37
xfah, see, they'd be making loads in support06:37
fragmentdiente: Does it get autodetected?06:37
xfit's an area quite in demand, and there's very little offerings06:37
fragmentdiente: but no sound?06:37
dientein fact alsaconf tell me it is installed then06:37
dientealsactl: load_state:1134: No soundcards found...06:37
subterrificxf: yup, and they sell hardware too. they've got to be making a killing06:37
xfwhen you start to delve into commidity items (such as operating systems), things become quite a bit harder, imho06:37
dienteafter i get that message06:37
fragmentdiente: hmm.06:37
xfsubterrific: i'd be bloody surprised if they wern't :-)06:37
diente Now ALSA is ready to use.06:38
diente For adjustment of volumes, use your favorite mixer.06:38
ZolrathStill getting the GRUB loading hang.. curses06:38
fragmentdiente: My wife's iBook is in for repair, so I can't check my desktop.  I use the same drivers.06:38
xfZolrath: what kind of hd are you installing on, ata or sata?06:38
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dientethis is very strange...06:38
fragmentdiente: And if you pop open a mixer (gmix?  mixer applet?) what happens?06:38
dienteno soundcard installed...06:39
xfZolrath: btw, with my install i told the partitioner thingy to automatically allocate one entire hard drive.  i'm guessing that perhaps made a difference (although i did do a dud install with it, too)06:39
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fragmentZolrath: Does GRUB give you any error message?06:39
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ZolrathNope it it just sits at GRUB loading, please wait...06:39
fragmentdiente: Anything interesting if you 'dmesg |06:39
fragment 'dmesg | less' ?06:39
fragmentHi eazel7 06:39
punkass_diente: what happens if u run alsamixer?06:39
dientepunkass_ alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device06:40
punkass_hmm ok..will i would guess that an oss driver is getting loaded before the alsa one06:40
jason__If i can get a Some pages to Load But not all is this a DNS problem06:41
fragmentjason__: probably06:41
eazel7may I suggest something to the packagers?06:41
fragmentjason__: You can test by doing a DNS lookup of the site and then trying with the IP.06:41
dientei dont see any oss derived driver when i try lsmod06:42
fragmentjason__: pop open a terminal and try 'host www.google.com' or 'nslookup www.google.com' and then substitute the IP for the hostname in the URL.06:42
dientefragment,  nothing strange in dmesg06:42
punkass_hmm yeah, ubuntu has the 810 oss drivers pre-black listed to i think06:42
ZolrathI think I may fail.06:43
xfnope, still only getting 10kb/sec from archive.ubuntu, and definitely have bandwidth available06:43
dienteyup, they are blacklisted06:43
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Treenakspunkass_: which is good, because they're very b0rked on my laptop06:43
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punkass_i agree06:44
fragmentTreenaks: heheh06:44
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fragmentActually, she can't either.06:45
dientewell, i will continue googleing, maybe it can answer me lol06:46
hiweedwould you tell me how to create or modify a task for tasksel or aptitude use?06:46
fragmentdiente: good luck06:46
punkass_yeah..im not sure..good luck06:46
fragmentdiente: It might also be worthwhile to download Knoppix or Morphix or one of the other live-cd-based distros and see what happens with your sound.06:47
fragmentdiente: If it works, you might be able to work backwards and figure out what's different between the two (other than driver versions)06:47
punkass_diente: use mepis...it uses alsa and is based on debian06:48
dientefragment,  got sound wit knoppix06:48
punkass_im not sure what knoppix uses for sound06:48
dientepunkass, fragment, my base sistem its debian...06:48
dienteand i dont have any trouble with it..06:48
fragmentdiente: download, or borrow.  Even with broadband, it's no fun to download a few hundred megs just for a test....06:48
dienteam tryng to make a tut, for my LUG06:49
Alex_i need to find out what my actual PCMCIA port is, and what driver i need for it06:49
punkass_does alsaconf find your card?06:49
dientepunkass_ it does06:49
jdubdiente: is this with an ubuntu live cd, or with an install?06:49
jdubyour sound hardware?06:50
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jdublsmod | grep 81006:50
dientejdub, got it, as 8x006:51
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jduboh yeah ;)06:51
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jdubwhat's in /dev/snd/ ?06:51
dientecontrolC0 and timer06:51
jdublsmod | grep ^snd -> what else is loaded?06:52
dienteac97, pcm, timer, pagealloc, snd_seq_device, soundcore06:53
diente snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device06:53
fragmentWho was looking for the PPC ISO?06:54
jdubdiente: hrm06:54
punkass_anyone here use eclipse with there visual editor?06:54
dientediente@chica /dev/snd $ cat /proc/asound/cards06:54
diente--- no soundcards ---06:54
fragmentLooks like it's at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/06:54
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fragmentpunkass_: Nope, but the Ubuntu Web site has a link to the Java on Debian page that mentions something about it.06:55
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punkass_hmm ok..just installed and there no create Visual class menu item...06:56
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fragmenthttp://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian looks like the URL, but just checked, it's probably not helpful in your case.06:58
punkass_thanks anyways06:59
fragmentAnyone know if Ubuntu plans to use jigdo?06:59
jdubfragment: there's been a bit of discussion, but not much forward motion07:00
jdubfragment: you can always rsync daily to daily (or otherwise)07:00
fragmentjdub: Ah, good idea.07:00
fragmentjdub: Are you an Ubuntu developer?07:00
jdubi am a robot from the future, currently naked and looking for clothes07:01
jdubalthough i look suspiciously like one of the ubuntu developers07:01
makofragment: he likes to think he is :)07:01
fragmentWell, for anyone present and responsible, nice job.07:01
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AgrajagI thought I saw jigdo files for the daily ubuntu isos07:01
dienteoh, yeah i agree07:01
makofragment: i wouldn't believe him for a second if his name wasn't on all the release manager's mail07:02
fragmentAgrajag: Ah, yeah, I'm blind: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/warty-i386.jigdo07:02
fragmentAgrajag: Thanks!07:02
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makojdub: can i get source for your ubuntu talk?07:03
Alex_if i copied and compiled this, would it work? http://www.linuxhq.com/kernel/v2.6/8/drivers/pcmcia/o2micro.h07:04
makojdub: it appears i will be giving a couple of those here in The Big Apple :)07:04
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jdubmako: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~jdub/ubuntu-1-2-3/07:06
jdubexcept i have to update them a bit07:06
jdubbut there's a start07:06
makojdub: i saw those07:06
makojdub: i was looking for the source, i am blind and missing a link somewhere?07:07
jdubah, no07:07
defendguinhey jeff is ubuntu getting any support contracts?07:07
jdubthat's just the html07:07
jdubdefendguin: we're doing ok :)07:07
thursdayyou guys offer support?07:08
jdubyes, via canonical.com07:08
punkass_jdub: so python is going to play a big part?07:08
defendguinit just seems like such a nice project i dont wanna see it not be profitable07:08
jdubif you're interested, mail jeff.waugh@canonical.com07:08
jdubpunkass_: indeed07:08
punkass_cool...just made my first python/pygtk/glade app the other day07:08
punkass_jdub: do you know of any good tutorials/howtos on making applets with python?07:09
subterrifici'm working on some python code right now07:09
Nafaipunkass_: I think there is one on pygtk.org...just a sec07:09
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subterrificactually, trying to wrap a horribly designed c++ library in python using SWIG07:09
theantixpunkass, there are some good ones you can find on google07:09
subterrificit's a total nightmare07:09
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punkass_i did up a little app that scans for wireless networks and connects/ and stores wep keys etc07:10
Nafaipunkass_: Plus I have a very brief example in my PyGtk talk I gave at PyCon: http://www.travishartwell.net/pycon2004/07:10
punkass_works pretty good07:10
subterrificpunkass_: i wrote an applet in python, there aren't really any good tutorials. most of what i found on the internet was out of date07:10
Nafaipunkass_: http://www.pygtk.org/articles/applets_arturogf/07:10
punkass_subterrific: yeah thats all i found too07:10
punkass_Nafai: been all over that one..but i couldnt even get his example to run07:11
fragmentjdub: Mind if I ask, what kinds of contracts come your way?07:11
punkass_kept getting bonobo activation errors07:11
NafaiIt's been a while since I've tried his example.07:12
fragmentjdub: Training? Integration? Customization?07:12
punkass_he has a run-in-window switch and that works...still get the error but it works07:12
vasiwho would i talk to about getting mol (mac-on-linux) into ubuntu? it's quite essential for a lot of ppc linux users07:12
jdubfragment: we do professional services for ubuntu, and can be very flexible in terms of services offered07:12
jdubvasi: it'll be in universe, whether it builds or not. perhaps check out why it's not building.07:12
justdaveit's in universe.  it's built.  but it doesn't work.07:13
justdavecompiled against the wrong kernel07:13
jdubjustdave: ahar07:13
justdavemol has kernel-specific drivers07:13
vasiyeah, the drivers aren't prebuilt07:13
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vasii have it working locally, i just want to help get it working for everyone07:14
justdaveI grabbed source and tried to build it the other day, but didn't get very far.  all the depends have the debian package names for the kernel packages07:14
vasier, s/have/HAD/07:14
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jdubvasi: if you patch up the source package to do the right thing, we can fix it in universe07:14
Nafaipunkass_: Here's something very brief, starting here: http://www.travishartwell.net/pycon2004/fslc/slides-27.html07:14
punkass_Nafai: on # 14 now ;)07:14
vasijdub, it needs a rebuild for every kernel upgrade though...is that doable?07:15
Nafaipunkass_: :)07:15
jdubvasi: we can build all of debian sid's main in less than a week :)07:15
fragmentjdub: Nice07:15
jdub(at least the bits that work in universe atm)07:16
vasialright, just making sure it's ok...i'll log everything i have to do to make it work, and then i'll come back and get help with debianizing everything07:16
subterrificjdub: what kind of build setup is that? bunch of opterons?07:16
punkass_Nafai: ah that was probably it...do think i had the server file in the right spot07:16
jdubvasi: if you apt-get source mac-on-linux (or the drivers package if it's separate)07:16
jdubvasi: just make a patch07:16
lifelesssubterrific: intels for the ix86 07:16
Nafaipunkass_: *nods*07:16
jdubsubterrific: we have amd64 machines for those07:16
lifelessmac xservs for ppc 07:17
punkass_how is multi-threading in python?07:17
jdubsubterrific: g5 xserves for ppc32 (and hopefully ppc64 next release)07:17
vasioooh xserves07:17
lifelesspunkass_: it works well, with one caveat.07:17
subterrificthats gotta be one sweet setup07:17
lifelesswhich is the thing called the GIL - global interpreter lock.07:17
Nafaipunkass_: Avoid threading anyway.07:17
jdubNafai: haha07:17
Nafaijdub: Sorry.  I can't help myself.07:18
punkass_well how do u seperate a button press with the execution of something07:18
lifelesswhich means that C modules block all threads as they enter the module, until the module has released the GIL, and so forth.07:18
punkass_i want the gui to stay active will foo is running07:18
lifelesspunkass_: usually via an event queue & event loop.07:18
lifelessnon blocking IO is your friend.07:18
punkass_ah ok...more reading for me07:18
lifelessif you're going gtk, there is good stuff in there,07:18
lifelessand gnome vfs has async io support abstracted for you.07:19
jdubNafai: when you really think you want threads, eat an apple. and write a state machine.07:19
punkass_lots more reading fo rme :)07:19
subterrificlifeless: you wrap blocking i/o calls in Py_BEGIN_ALLOW_THREADS so it doesn't block07:19
subterrificor did i misunderstand?07:19
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NafaiI guess I should sleep sometime soon07:20
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subterrificthreads are ok for one case: long computations07:20
Zolrathwhoo hoo07:21
ZolrathIt only took 12 tries07:21
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Zolrathbut after all those reinstalls it finally let me finish installation07:21
fragmentjdub: Any Stormix refugees on the Ubuntu project?07:21
chutwighah, i remember stormix07:22
fragmentNot a bad distro.  I was sorry to see it go.07:22
chutwigi just remember the blinding blue-and-green installer07:22
theantixa friend of mine used to work for stormix... wow that brings back memories07:23
fragmentI kept waiting for their clustering bits and pieces to come together.07:23
jdubfragment: no idea. :)07:23
fragmentWhat was the marketingspeak?  NOW...Network of Workstations.   Lots of good ideas in there, though.  Good people, too, I hear.07:24
jdubNOW was progeny, wasn't it?07:24
justdavewhat's the difference between linux-powerpc and linux-image-powerpc?07:24
fragmentjdub: Oh, yep, you're right.07:24
fragmentjdub: Mixing my history07:25
fragmentjdub: Must be past my bedtime.07:25
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theantixfragment, why not just use ssh for file sharing and remote access?07:27
fragmentSomething Mac-like.  Drop someone's public key in a folder and it gives them permission....07:27
fragmenttheantix: SFS works like NFS, so no FTP/SCP-style client issues.07:28
fragmenttheantix: Unless there's some way to mount a filesystem through SSH that I don't know about...which is likely....07:29
justdaveyeah, that'd be cool... have an authorized_keys.d/ directory :)07:29
justdavedrop the .pub files in it instead of having to cat them onto a single file07:29
theantixfragment, you can use shfs to do that, works pretty good but has to be a kernel module so not newbie-friendly07:29
fragmenttheantix: Ah07:29
fragmenttheantix: I'll have to look into that.  Thanks!07:30
theantixno problem -- there are a few other similar projects too,though I don't know the names offhand07:30
fragmentI suspect there's something lurking in GNOME's VFS somewhere, too.07:31
subterrificyou can mount sftp:// with gnome-vfs07:31
fragmentI've been too lazy to go hunting.07:31
jdubof course07:31
subterrifici do it all the time07:31
subterrifichas a few bugs, but generally works great07:31
jdubfragment: connect to server... -> sftp:// etc.07:31
jdubfragment: looks just like a filesystem mount07:31
fragmentOh, heck, OK.07:32
jduband will work in (most) of your gnome apps07:32
subterrifichell yeah, i just got this callback working from c++->python07:32
=== fragment used to do a lot of WebDAV mounts with gnome-vfs, but not much anymore.
vasiis the linux-source package contain the same sources as are used to build linux-image? or do i have to patch?07:33
defendguinno ubuntu stickers yet?07:34
subterrificvasi: same source07:34
vasier, s/is/does/07:34
vasithanks subterrific07:34
fragmentAt one time, I was messing around quite a bit with Zope, LDAP-authentication and WebDAV to get some convenient access, but it was just too cumbersome and no (easy?) SSL support.07:34
theantixdefendguin, the first release isn't even out yet... =)07:34
subterrificvasi: and if you want to use a vanilla kernel and patch, just use the linux-tree package07:34
subterrificit pulls in the patches and source07:34
fragmentAnd Apache doesn't have decent multiuser WebDAV.  You end up stuck with MS or Novell.07:34
fragmentI really wanted WebDAV-enabled home directories.07:35
defendguintheantix, yeah but i need a sticker to put on my laptop07:35
subterrifichow do you think apple handles that with .Mac?07:35
fragmentsubterrific: No idea.07:35
subterrificfragment: i think they use apache but no SSL?07:35
subterrificor maybe they've got some crazy webobjects app for it...07:36
fragmentsubterrific: I tried for a long time to work something with Apache, but no go.  Oracle's Collaboration Suite will do something similar, and apparently Novell can do it pretty handily, but I would love to know how Apple swings it.07:36
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aitrusubuntu doesn't see my usb keyboard when i try to install07:37
fragmentsubterrific: If you only want WebDAV, that's not a huge issue, but I wanted SMB, AppleShare and WebDAV access to the same filesystem.07:37
aitrusi can use it at the boot: prompt, but once the installer loads, i'm done07:37
subterrificappleshare? are you crazy?07:37
aitrusany ideas as to what to try?07:37
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fragmentsubterrific: Yeah, or whatever they call it these days.  AFS (but not Andrew FS).07:38
vasii think netatalk can do that07:38
fragmentsubterrific: I work in education, so you're always trying to support everything under the sun.07:38
vasiaitrus, did you select a weird keymap maybe?07:38
justdaveAFP  Appleshare File Protocol07:38
aitrusi can't select a keymap07:38
subterrificfragment: appleshare is so horribly slow. apple doesn't even support it in the finder well...it's the best way to freeze the finder.07:38
aitrusi don't get that far07:38
aitrusvasi: as soon as the first curses screen comes up, my keyboard no longer works07:39
fragmentvasi: Yeah, I was doing netatalk and samba, having both authenticate to a Windows domain.  Worked well, but the Mac users could always get access from the Internet via AppleShareIP (supported via netatalk).07:39
fragmentSMB over the Internet -- not goot.07:39
fragmentWebDAV would have simplified a lot.07:39
justdaveI wouldn't be the least bit surprised if most firewalls and public routers block SMB by default these days because of all the viruses that hack it07:40
fragmentsubterrific: One of the districts I work in now, we saw issues with Adobe's InDesign and image previews not working correctly via SMB.07:40
fragmentsubterrific: Might be fixed now in Panther, but it forced us to go back to AFP there, too.07:41
subterrificfragment: right because of resource forks07:41
fragmentsubterrific: alternate data streams on NTFS -- that's a whole nightmare, too, and I'd much rather deal with it on ext2/3 than on NTFS.07:42
fragment(Windows stores resource forks in ADS on NTFS)07:42
fragmentSo, long story short, if you hear of WebDAV+SSL for home directories, let me know! ;)07:43
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=== fragment also remembers talking with the Eazel guys about getting one of their WebDAV servers hosted locally, right before they went under.
fragmentDon't know what they were running, either, and they were reluctant to talk much about it before they could work out how much it would cost.07:48
jdubjava stuff07:48
aitrusis yaboot-installer the system installer?07:51
fragmentThey didn't consider it as an opportunity until I pointed out to them that (especially before SharePoint) they were one of the few user-oriented WebDAV solutions around.  It was actually someone there that said I should also look into Novell, which they turned down but said could also be a (more expensive) solution.07:52
fragmentActually, I didn't consider it an opportunity, either.  I was just looking for a solution, and realized I was already using one in their demo.07:54
plovs_jdub, requested features for nautilus should they be put in bugzilla as well (nautilus-sendto)07:55
fragmentThe guy on the phone said, "Uh, would you be willing to pay for something like that?"07:55
punkass_i have a laptop on one wifi network and its working then move to another network and i cant get to the web07:55
punkass_then i find that the dns settings are different for the other network07:55
punkass_ie    now
punkass_but it doesnt update07:55
fragmentpunkass_: Maybe add a set DNS server accessible from anywhere as the first entry?07:56
punkass_now shouldnt dhclient figure that out?07:56
fragmentpunkass_: It should.07:56
punkass_but how can you if you are always behind a router07:57
punkass_and they may all be different07:57
aitrusanyone have any ideas that i could try to get this usb keyboard working for an install?07:57
fragmentpunkass_: hopefully NAT/PAT will handle it.07:57
fragmentpunkass_: Which it should, if you can still get on the Web without going through a proxy.07:57
punkass_yeah like i can type an ip in and it will work but no address work07:58
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punkass_what would be a DNS server accesible from anywhere?07:59
fragmentpunkass_: Yeah, I can't remember the technique, but there's a way to keep entries in resolv.conf through dhclient changes, so if you can find a public DNS server (like maybe your ISP?) you can keep it as the first entry, and hopefully it will always go out and grab it.07:59
fragmentpunkass_: Or, look for another dhclient option to better update the resolv.conf07:59
punkass_yeah i think thats what ill do...and if all else fails ill write my own little script that will edit resolv08:00
fragmentpunkass_: The DNS server where I went to college was public for years.  When I was an AT&T cable customer and their DNS servers would always crap out, I got in the habit of setting it to Someone Else's DNS so I could just ride out the storms.08:00
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fragmentpunkass_: I just checked, and it's no longer public. :(08:01
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punkass_well if i make the resolv just point at the router, the router normally has a dns that it looks at08:02
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fragmentpunkass_: The router does dns resolution?08:04
fragmentSo, if you add your default gateway to resolv.conf, it works?08:05
fragmentThat should be easy to script.08:05
punkass_yeah like even my little aopen router here gets dns addys from shaw08:05
punkass_yeah but not ever router is set to the same ip range08:05
fragmentpunkass_: Mine pulls it, but then passes it via DHCP08:05
fragmentYou can't actually query mine.08:05
punkass_well i think mine just sends it through the gateway to the DNS servers08:06
fragment(mine = my router)08:06
fragmentOh, dude!  That works on mine, too.08:07
fragmentThat is a slick trick.08:07
fragmentYeah, so that should be cake to code.08:08
punkass_so if thats common for most routers, than rewriting the resolv should be easy08:08
punkass_i already have my little app that detects and brings up the network so i can just add it to that08:09
fragmentWell, that's enough excitement for one day.  Morning comes in like six hours, and the commute sucks if I don't get enough sleep.08:09
punkass_how long is the commute?08:10
fragment'night, everyone08:10
fragmentJust under an hour08:10
punkass_takes me 10mins to get to work08:10
fragmentBut I take the backroads.  It keeps me off the freeway and is a lot more fun.08:10
punkass_and its all along the waterfront08:10
punkass_lol nice08:10
fragmentI used to work about a half hour away -- and a half-hour at 30 MPH through town -- but I took a new job about 40 miles away that netted me a hefty raise, so it's worth it.08:12
fragment...or almost worth it, now that gas is going up.08:12
punkass_ah yes..more money is always nice08:12
fragmentthe big thing is my wife and I are trying to have kids, and there's no way we could have made it on one income at the old job.  Now, it's not likely, but it's doable.08:13
fragmentShe's just gone half-time.  We call it practice for being broke.08:13
punkass_i just got my wife knocked up :)08:13
fragmentHey, congratulations!08:13
punkass_thank man08:13
punkass_yea being tight for $$ sucks08:14
fragmentYeah.  Her first half-check is Thursday, so I guess we'll see.08:14
punkass_i finally got a good paying job and is much nicer08:14
fragmentI'm already sweating it.08:14
punkass_but i dont live in a big city or anything so the cost of living is pretty cheap08:15
fragmentWe'll make it OK, but we have another, what, two years to go to pay off our student loans.  Plus, she's a teacher, so she's got to get a Masters in the next 2-3 years just to keep her job.08:15
punkass_the one thing i found when it comes to money, is that somehow it always seems to work out08:15
fragment....so there's another student loan....08:15
fragmentpunkass_: Yeah, everyone keeps saying so, and I believe it.  Doesn't mean I'm not nervous, but I believe it.  :)08:16
eulerMan, I wish it was only 2-3 years till my student loans are paid off.08:16
punkass_well it is true...but it still sucks 08:16
punkass_well i was lucky and got this funding to pay for my schooling..08:17
punkass_and i dont have to pay it back :)08:17
eulerI've been fortunate enough to make enough money that my wife hasn't had to work.08:17
fragmentIf we can squeak by until the student loans are paid off, that'll be a huge weight off and we'll be fine.  Within a 3-month window, I think we pay off both student loans and her car, so it'll feel like we're rich overnight.08:17
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fragmentpunkass_: Very nice!08:18
punkass_yeah totally 08:18
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fragmentpunkass_: Yeah, it'll work out something like that.  Summer of '06, I think, May hers is done, June or July mine is done, and August the car is done.  I think that's it.08:19
eulerThat's cool.08:19
fragmentTotal, about $1k a month difference.08:19
punkass_http://www.totallycrap.com/media/indexpaint.html  quicktime mov...kinda funny08:19
punkass_yeah that'll make a big difference eh08:20
fragmentBut damn, 10 years on the student loans, you'd think you'll never get to the end.08:20
punkass_10 years...holy crap08:20
punkass_how long were u in school for?08:20
fragmentFive years.  Almost six.  Five for my undergrad (foreign language minor declared too late for a 4-year stint), then took a semester off, then took a bunch of stuff for fun for a semester.  The loans didn't have to be paid back for a year after the last time I was a full-time student, so figure six years after becoming a freshman in college I had to start paying them back.08:22
fragment...or seven.08:23
fragmenttoo late to do math08:23
punkass_yeah i should eat some food and go to bed08:24
fragmentfifth, grad, sixth, play, seventh, payback.  That's right.08:24
fragment'night guys08:24
punkass_thats cool..ive just done a 2 and half year stint geting my CS diploma08:24
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voyamancan anybody help me08:25
voyamana just install ubuntu and dual boot doesn't work08:26
voyamanonly can login linux08:26
eulervoyaman: Describe.08:26
eulervoyaman: Ah, I had this problem yesterday.08:26
voyamaneuler, que bien, mejor en espaol08:26
voyamanno domino bien el ingles08:26
eulervoyaman: I'm sorry, I don't know spanish.08:27
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voyamando u speak spanish08:27
voyamandon't worry08:27
voyamantell me how do u solve this problem08:27
eulerLet me look up the web page that had the solution...08:27
voyamanknow, when boot the system, say various warning08:28
voyamanfilename are too long08:28
voyamanlike linux scanning the fat partitions08:29
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eulervoyaman: So when you try to boot windows, what happens?08:30
voyamaneuler, on the menu of grub doesn' appear window partition08:30
eulerOk, that is different.  The ubuntu installer autodetected my windows partition and put an entry in the menu for it.  Have you tried to create a menu entry for the windows partition in the grub menu?08:31
voyamanhow do that08:32
euleredit /boot/grub/menu.lst.  There is an example in there for setting up an entry for booting a windows system.08:32
eulerBasically your entry will look something like this:08:36
eulertitleWindows NT/2000/XP08:37
eulerWow, that didnt' work so well.08:37
eulerLet's try that again.08:37
eulertitle Windows NT/2000/XP08:37
eulerroot (hd0,0)08:38
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eulerchainloader +108:38
eulerIf that doesn't work, you can remove the savedefault line and try again.08:38
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theantixsavedefault shouldn't mess anything up08:39
eulertheantix: some people here in IRC have reported problems with dual booting that have been solved by removing that line.08:39
theantixeuler: ah, okay... never been a problem for me in fedora/debian grub before, but I'll defer to your judgement08:40
eulerI'm not saying that there isn't another solution, just that when I was having my problems dual booting, several people reported that they also had issues and that removing that line allowed them to boot.08:40
eulerHopefully that will help that guy.08:41
eulerIt's odd that his windows side didn't get autodetected at install time.08:41
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jblack_Hiya. 08:51
jblack_I'm trying to use module-assistant to build lufs modules, but its complaining that it can't get the kernel headers08:51
eulerjblack_: Hey!  I have glanced through a couple of your arch tutorials.  I hope to be able to run through them in greater detail this week.  I would have already done so, but I had to fix my dual booting on my computer...08:52
jblack_euler: Ok.08:52
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Greenskyhas anyone here tried to compile galeon in ubuntu?08:57
GreenskyI get an error "configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check"08:57
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thaytanGreensky: is the cpp package installed?09:02
Greenskycpp --v   :   Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.4/specs09:02
thaytanI don't know then :)09:04
thaytanI haven't had trouble compiling anything, but I haven't tried galeon09:04
Greenskythaytan, hehe, thanks for trying, I'm not good at compiling software in non-gentoo dists myself09:04
Greenskygaleon is the one thing I'm really missing in ubuntu so far09:05
thaytanGreensky: the normal way would be to apt-get build-dep galeon09:05
lifelessedd: got a sec ?09:05
Greenskythaytan, well galeon isn't in the repository09:05
thaytanthen apt-get -b galeon09:05
thaytanGreensky: oh right, hadn't noticed09:05
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defendguinwhy did ubuntu pick a brown theme for its default theme?09:06
Greenskydefendguin, hehe, I dono... seems like they should have different colors available to pick 09:07
vasii like the theme, it feels very natural09:07
jdubdefendguin: we're going for earthy, human colours.09:07
vasiand i'm a mac guy, so you'd expect me to be picky :-)09:07
jdubit'll be even browner later ;)09:07
GreenskyI like it, but I would like a choice of a few other colors, but the same theme09:07
hiweedthe Ubuntu CD-ROM installed Debian Base System first, and then aptitude install a task named ~tubuntu-desktop. I wanna know where is the task on the disk? how to modify it? and how to create a new task myself? thanks!09:07
subterrifici like the brown09:08
Greenskythe widgets/borders look just fine, but brown isn't the best09:08
defendguinjdub, what about the gorilla theme? is earthy09:08
subterrificit stands out, it's easy to see which window has focus09:08
GreenskyBUT, the brown is a lot nicer than other standard themes09:08
Greenskysubterrific, yeah, it's a pretty good theme, better than most for sure09:08
deFryskGreensky seen my theme ?09:09
defendguini dunno i liked glider09:09
y0annwhere could i precise my Wireless LAN Service Area ? 09:09
GreenskydeFrysk, nopers, got a screenshot online?09:09
Greenskylooks pretty good...09:10
defendguincrystals and spheres09:10
subterrificvery...uhm, grey and aquaish...09:10
deFryskthe nicest09:10
defendguinlook at xchat you cant even see what you are typing09:10
deFryskdefendguin, yes you can (now)09:10
deFryskthey fixed it09:11
defendguinfor a while thats the reason i never used pixmap based themes09:11
deFrysksee the topic in xchat in screenshot09:11
defendguinthat and the fact they are slower09:11
subterrificthat theme is too bland and busy for me09:11
subterrifici like contrast09:11
deFryskI like it , but a cool alternative for ease is glider imho09:12
deFryskthe best (normal) theme09:12
subterrifici'm so glad we can all agree to disagree and pick whatever theme we want09:12
defendguinhas anyone tried the Suede icon theme?09:12
deFryskerr ?09:14
deFryskbluecurve anyone ? ;p09:15
Greenskybluecurve is pretty nice09:15
deFryskseen it for too long in fedora/redhat09:16
Greenskymy desktop: http://hiddenspiral.net/images/screenshot.png09:17
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deFryskgood old xfce409:22
deFryskused it for a wile09:22
deFryskbut liked gnome better09:22
deFryskI used it wth the iconbox and without the panel09:23
deFryskwindow list panel that is09:23
Greenskygnome was always just a little too sluggish for me09:25
Greenskybut I don't have 2+ ghz machines :P09:25
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vdaronHi all09:26
vdaronStill can't have any sound with my beautifull Ubuntu install ....09:26
vdaronWorking on a INSPIRON 8200, AC97 with i810_audio ....09:27
vdaronduring startup, i810_audio is marked as blacklisted ... what does it mean ?09:28
Treenaksvdaron: that it doesn't use OSS but ALSA (where it09:28
Treenaksis called differently09:29
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vdaronHum ... well ok, 09:29
vdaronand ... what can I do ??09:30
supertux_did anyone comment on my bluecurve in apt comment?09:30
Treenaksvdaron: it loads automatically..09:30
zolrathHmm what video formats should totem be able to play?09:30
vdaronthe sound card devices files are'nt created09:30
Treenaksvdaron: it's just a different driver (imho, a better one ) for the same hardware09:30
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vdaronOk, fine.09:31
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Treenaksvdaron: if you type "lsmod" you should see snd-something09:31
vdaronHow can I create the /dev/dsp, /dev/mixer, ...09:31
Treenakssnd-intel-i810 or something like that09:31
vdaronI see an snd_intel8x0m09:33
vdaronand snd_intel8x0 09:33
Treenaksthen the driver is loaded09:33
Treenaksyou can just play sound .. try ti09:33
Treenaksit even09:33
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vdaronthe problem is that /dev/dsp, /dev/mixer etc didn't exists09:34
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vasianybody have any ideas how i can get my console to have > 8-bit color?09:41
vdaronThanks a lot Treenaks09:42
defendguinhttp://www.starmicroinc.net/home.aspx this site maxes out my processor.  and it doesnt even use flash09:42
vdaronWill try again latter09:42
Treenaksvdaron: they don't need to exist, because ALSA uses different devices for that09:42
vdaronALSA isn't supposed to be compatible with OSS ?09:42
vdaronTotem for example complains about /dev/dsp ...09:43
vdaronSOund applet complains about /dev/mixer ...09:43
Treenaksvdaron: only if you don't load the compatibility modules.. which ubuntu does by default afaik09:43
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vdaronBut I've these modules loaded : snd_pcm_oss  snd_mixer_oss 09:44
Treenaksvdaron: then maybe your udev daemon died? (which is a Bad Thing)09:45
vdaronI did'nt have the /udev entry ...09:45
Treenaksvdaron: that's not what I said09:45
Treenaksdaemon != directory09:45
vdaronudevd is running09:45
Treenaksthat's weird then..09:46
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defendguinhmm maybe time to get redhat-artwork package from FC2 and use alien09:47
Treenaksvdaron: rebooting doesn't help (yikes, a windows solution)09:48
vdaronIt's not the first time a reboot my ubuntu09:48
vdaronAnd sound never works09:48
Treenakscheck the logs? maybe udev has a problem somewhere?09:48
Treenakstry blacklisting the snd-intel8x0m driver in /etc/hotplug/blacklist09:49
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mdzvdaron: is this a fresh install? if not, what have you changed?09:50
mdzif snd-pcm-oss is loaded but you don't have /dev/dsp, something is Wrong09:50
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vdaronTreenaks / mdz : Nothing in logs about sound09:57
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jsanhi, i can't seem to find the nautilus script menu, is it normal? should i file a bug?09:58
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crimsunvdaron, do you mind recapping in a few sentences what problems RE: ALSA you're having? I joined after you had begun.10:01
mdzhiweed: the task is defined by the Task: headers in the Packages files10:01
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vdaronI'm running DELL INSPIRON 8200. And I did'nt have any sound. the ALSA drivers seems loaded (snd_intel8x0m, snd_intel8x0, snd_pcm_oss,   snd_mixer_oss). But I don't have any /dev/dsp or /dev/mixer node ...10:05
vdaronudevd is running fine10:05
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HenrikLindHi All , just tryed to install flash, but the flash installer says "Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the Macromedia Flash Player installer."10:09
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hiweedmdz: thanks10:11
crimsunvdaron, did you try blacklisting snd-intel8x0m?10:11
vdaronnot yet10:11
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hiweedmdz: but I noticed that, there is not a sector named "Task: " in any package. I only find them in such file: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz10:13
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hiweedI dunno how to generate such a Packages file to inlude a section named "Task". I use apt-ftparchive to generate it, but there is no such a section was genertated.10:16
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defendguinwould anyone like a bluecurve theme deb?10:17
LeeColletonI would like to mount my compact flash card on system startup.  I've added a line to /etc/fstab that will work with 'mount -a' but for some reason it isn't mounted at boot.  The card needs ide-cs which I added to /etc/modules.10:19
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hiweedmdz: Would you please tell me, if the Task: headers was defined nanually or generated automatically?10:19
defendguinhmmm i fear that this deb alien made might have damaged my setup10:19
vdaronsnd_intel8x0m well blacklisted (not load) but still no /dev/dsp and a "No Soundcard Found" at startup during alsactrl10:20
crimsunvdaron, but snd-intel8x0 is loaded (check via `lsmod')?10:20
crimsunvdaron, are you using a printer port (lpt*)?10:21
vdarononly an usb mouse10:21
crimsunvdaron, would you disable that and the modem in bios?10:21
vdaronok, fine, I did'nt use them10:21
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tof_i'm trying to install vmware and i can't find directory of C header files10:23
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Treenakstof_: apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` ?10:23
crimsuntof_, to install vmware, i used: apt-get install build-essential kernel-package linux-source10:24
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tof_thx all lemme check that10:25
crimsuntof_, i then did: cd /usr/src && tar xfj linux-source- && cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) linux-source- && cd linux-source-
crimsuntof_, then i edited the toplevel Makefile to read .1-2-<your arch> for the EXTRAVERSION10:26
eddlifeless: here now10:26
crimsuntof_, then I ran: make prepare10:26
crimsuntof_, that should do it for you10:26
tof_lot of work ;)10:26
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crimsuni did it two days ago, takes about 3 minutes depending on the speed of the HD for the untarring ;)10:27
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crimsunvdaron, any luck?10:27
vdaronIt's working !10:27
vdaronWhy did I have to disable the // port ?10:28
crimsunvdaron, more than likely an irq conflict. this happens with quite a few dell laptops, actually.10:28
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vdaronWelll, thaks a lot for your help !10:29
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crimsunnpmccallum, glad to hear(read) it's working.10:29
crimsunerr, silly nick complete.10:29
knackkohi people10:29
vdaronUbuntu rocks !10:29
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mdzhm, he left10:33
mdzdoes anyone here have a laptop which exhibits that bug?10:33
PerdiXwhich bug?10:33
hiweedmdz: Would you please tell me, if the Task: headers was defined nanually or generated automatically?10:34
mdzhiweed: I'm not sure what you are asking10:34
crimsunmdz, it has struck the inspiron 8200s and the d800s iirc10:34
crimsuni have to double-check that, however.10:34
PerdiXalsa breakage?10:34
crimsunit's not clear whether it's ALSA's fault10:35
mdzthe IRQ7 conflict issue10:35
mdznothing in particular to do with ALSA, it breaks all sorts of PCI devices10:35
PerdiXI have that10:35
mdzhiweed: the Task: header is added to the Packages file by the archive management software10:35
PerdiXmdz, I have that anyway10:35
hiweedmdz: thanks. is it apt-ftparchive?10:36
mdzhiweed: no10:36
mdzcould anyone who experiences the problem in #1254 follow the instructions in the most recent comment and post the results in bugzilla?10:36
tof_crimsun, make prepare mode on ;)10:36
jdubmdz: so that "tack a new dsdt thingy to the end of your initrd" thing went into -3, right?10:36
crimsuntof_, :)10:37
mdzjdub: no10:37
mdzjdub: what went into -3 was the latest ACPI patch10:37
mdzwhich solved the same problem which was reported solved by the crazy DSDT/initrd thing10:37
Maydayanyone using gossip? can the version in ubuntu handle more transports than plain jabber?10:37
hiweedmdz: what is the archive management software, please?10:37
jdubmdz: unless you actually want to load a different dsdt ;)10:38
mdzhiweed: it is called "katie", and it's very complicated, and you don't want it unless you're building a distribution the size of Debian10:38
hiweedokay thanks, mdz10:38
mdzjdub: tacking things onto the end of the initrd is crack10:39
jdubi agree10:39
jdubbut it is less crack than rebuilding the kernel10:39
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lonewolffmorning all10:40
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rossMayday: configure some transports in another jabber client and gossip will use them as they appear as jabber to the client10:41
Safari_AlHi guys.  Can someone please tell me how I can add this mono repository for ubuntu to my apt sources using synaptic?  http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/10:41
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Maydayross: aah ill try, thanks10:42
tof_crimsun, just this Unable to build the vmmon module no10:42
jdubSafari_Al: i don't know why synaptic makes this hard...10:42
jdubSafari_Al: load it up10:42
jdubSettings > Repositories10:42
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jdubhit New10:42
jdubthe uri should be http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/10:43
jdubthe distribution should be ./10:43
crimsuntof_, what's the exact error? use #flood if necessary10:43
jdubthe section should be blank10:43
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Safari_Aljdub, Ah!  I was trying to fill in both fields.  Thanks for your help.  Still trying to get used to the debianisms :)10:44
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Safari_Aljdub, just one other question. what does the little ubuntu logo in the 2nd column in the package list in synaptic sigify?  that it comes from the CD?10:45
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jdubSafari_Al: that it's supported10:46
Safari_Aljdub, ok.  why would newer packages with "ubunutu" in the version number not have this then?10:47
rossthey are from universe?10:47
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SuperLagI did an install, and I don't remember being asked to set the root password, so now I can't log in.10:48
crimsunSuperLag, log in as the user you created.10:48
SuperLagcrimsun: I can do that.10:48
crimsunUbuntu uses sudo by default. You cannot log in as root.10:48
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SuperLagOh my.10:49
hiweedmdz: is it http://cvs.debian.org/dak/?cvsroot=dak ? I searched for the deb pacakge named 'katie', but not found.10:50
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mdzhiweed: yes10:50
hiweedokay thanks10:50
Kinnisonhiweed: dak isn't packaged IIRC10:50
hiweedokay thank you, Kinnison10:51
hiweedI am remastering the Ubuntu ISO, su, ...10:51
mdzSafari_Al: sometimes we make fixes to unsupported packages, for example if they don't build at all10:51
hiweedI am remastering the Ubuntu ISO, so, I need it.10:51
mdzhiweed: no, you do not need it for that10:52
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mdzif by "remastering", you mean that you are changing the set of packages on the CD, then apt-ftparchive should do nicely10:52
mdzwith a couple of scripts10:53
Safari_Almdz, ah.  thanks.10:53
hiweedbut the Packages index file I generated via apt-ftparchive does not contain a section named "Task:" at all.10:53
SuperLagcrimsun: can you su - root, after you log in as user?10:53
hiweedso the aptitude install ~tubuntu-desktop does not work.10:54
crimsunSuperLag, use sudo.10:54
hiweedAll the "Task: ubuntu-desktop" words were lost.10:56
SuperLagdon't like sudo, never have10:56
rossSuperLag: sudo passwd root10:56
rossset a password10:56
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jdubSuperLag: except don't do that10:57
jdubSuperLag: use sudo for a while10:57
defendguinopen a root terminal10:57
jdubugh, don't do that10:57
jdubif you want a root session for whatever reason10:58
jdubsudo su - or sudo -s10:58
rosssudo lets you limit the time you are root for, which is A Good Thing10:58
defendguinjdub, why do you even have that option there if its not good?10:58
|trey|jdub: site says theme, icons, and "desktop imagery" will be changed for final release, any chance I could get a peak  8)10:58
Safari_Aljdub, yeah I really like this sudo poop10:58
jdubross: does s-j *require* a very new HAL?10:59
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jdubdefendguin: because i haven't removed it yet10:59
rossjdub: colin walters thinks so, he mailed me the patch :)10:59
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rossjdub: pitta is testing a new HAL10:59
mdzhiweed: they need to be specified by an override file10:59
jdub|trey|: switch to the Human icon theme to see some of those icons10:59
rossjdub: today i'm going to install it and check it actually works10:59
jdubpitti: which hal version?11:00
defendguinjdub, its annoying when i have to do like 5 things as root to sudo everytime11:00
pittijdub: ? I'm currently packaging 0.2.9811:00
mdzhiweed: you need to tell it which packages should have which task: headers; it does not know unless you tell it11:00
rossdefendguin: "sudo -s"11:00
|trey|jdub: ahh, thanks  :)11:01
mdzactually it's quite convenient, because you only need to type the password once11:01
defendguini never maned sudo to see that one11:01
defendguinsudo --help11:01
SuperLagOKay... this does NOT work.11:01
|trey|jdub: default theme will still be based on Industrial?11:01
SuperLagsudo ifconfig ath0 up11:01
crimsunsudo(8) has a great man page.11:01
hiweedthanks mdz11:01
SuperLagit should NOT be asking me for a password if sudo really works11:02
hiweedyou mean via apt-ftparchive?11:02
jdub|trey|: yes11:02
mdzSuperLag: refer to the FAQ for more information11:02
pittijdub: what is s-j?11:02
jdubthe cd ripper11:02
jdubfor gnome11:02
jdubwhich rocks everyone's socks11:03
rossIT ROCKS11:03
|trey|SuperLag: umm, but then any fool with physical access can mess with system vital files while you are away... a password provides sufficiant security for this situation...11:03
joemit does rock11:03
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jdubross: eugenia wants us to upgrade hal so she can build s-j... ;)11:03
jdubross: she *might* just get it as a bonus11:03
SuperLag|trey|: I'm not a fool.  I know why.  But I've never had a distro FORCE me to use sudo, before.11:03
|trey|SuperLag: for instance, I haven't logged out of my user account since I last installed...11:03
rossjdub: she can build it without hal like everyone else11:03
pittijdub: ah, I see. It's nice, I agree. But why does it need a newer hal?11:04
|trey|SuperLag: you're not forced, they just don't make you create 2 passwords during boot... beats the heck outta some distro's that just don't create a user  :/11:04
rossjdub: well tell her it won't compile anyway :)11:04
jdubpitti: oh, i'm not asking for s-j's sake11:04
|trey|jdub: no yelling  ;)11:04
jdubpitti: ignore that thread entirely11:04
pittijdub: anyway, I have to fix one last major bug, then mdz and I agreed to throw it at our victims^W^Wthe public11:04
rossrock on11:05
mdzjdub: downgraded just to make sure we're clear :-)11:05
|trey|SuperLag: s/boot/installation/ ... you probably gathered that though  :/11:05
Unicat_Does Ubuntu work with X.org Xserver?11:06
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jdubbetween uk and france11:06
jdubUnicat_: probably, but it doesn't come with it.11:06
|trey|Unicat_: umm, it works with it... but its not included yet...11:06
rossand left a bit11:06
Unicat_Mh... okay.11:07
jdubmdz: downgraded?11:07
|trey|jdub: oh, I doubted it was even an actual place  8)  pretty cool how plays on the 'Ubuntu' theme though in a way  :)11:07
|trey|I missed an 'it' in there someplace  :/11:08
jdubmdz: oh.11:08
jdubmdz: i resolved it wontfix too11:08
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SuperLagWhat does Ubuntu use in place of /etc/resolv.conf?11:09
crimsunSuperLag, using dhclient?11:09
|trey|SuperLag: thats one of those files that just doesn't change... too many unix programs look for it...11:09
mdzjdub: yes, I downgraded it when it was already resolved11:10
|trey|SuperLag: else RedCrap... uhh, I mean RedHat would likely find a reason to put it in /etc/sysconfig/network  :/11:11
mdzUnicat_: x.org will be a feature of our next release11:11
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=== |trey| also can't spell too well :/
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|trey|mdz: whoever won the argument of xorg vs xfree86 for warty should be slapped a few times  :(11:15
mdz|trey|: Mr. ReleaseWartyOnTime won that argument11:16
crimsun|trey|, ubuntu's xfree86 is heavily sanitised and patched and practically is x.org11:16
|trey|mdz: blah... debian I can understand... it has to port xfree86 to several arch's before it can release... Ubuntu doesn't have this problem  :/11:16
mdzit just wasn't ready at the time that we needed it11:16
|trey|crimsun: I'm aware... however the package naming alone will scare away some users... just by the amount of people that have asked, that is obvious...11:17
mdzanyone who knows the difference between x.org and xfree86 should know better :-P11:18
|trey|mdz: granted... some just think "I should be using xorg because xfree is evil" though... a bad outlook, but some don't care about the details  :/11:19
mdz|trey|: those people should be content to know that we will be moving to x.org in the near future :-)11:19
|trey|The average user doesn't even know what X is, so its kinda lost on them  ;)11:19
rossfabbione: thanks for reverting the altwin change to X, now my metacity behaves itself11:20
SuperLagokay... now we're talking11:20
SuperLaghaving a hard time connecting to Freenode from that box though...11:21
SuperLagbunch of updates, since I couldn't connect to the net on the install11:21
fabbioneross: you need to thank Denis Barber :-)11:21
ForsaKenif i will just sudo apt-get install linux-image-, will it fuck my system ? or will it work ?11:22
rossForsaKen: it will work11:22
ForsaKenah good11:22
fabbione|trey|: there is only one little detail.. approx 300K lines of patches that needs to be review before switching tree :-)11:22
fabbione|trey|: and sometimes i like to sleep at night :-P11:23
|trey|fabbione: haha... yes, I suppose that would be a good thing  :)11:23
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|trey|Thats a lot of patches  :o11:23
KinnisonForsaKen: assuming you have a k7 based system of course :-)11:24
SuperLag<|trey|> SuperLag: umm, but then any fool with physical access can mess with system vital files while you are away... a password provides sufficiant security for this situation... <-- MORE so an issue if all it takes to get root privileges is YOUR password (the user's password)11:24
ForsaKenit's for AMD11:24
fabbione|trey|: yeah :-)11:24
ForsaKeni got amd athlon 2500+11:24
|trey|Hmm, one thing I have kinda wondered... what kind of system tools are planned for ubuntu? any plans to simply port redhat tools? or recreating the wheel?11:25
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ForsaKenlinux-image- - Linux kernel image for version on AMD K7.11:25
=== |trey| thinks the system tools for RedHat/Fedora are about the only things they did well...
ForsaKenthis one is for amd athlon right ?11:25
|trey|SuperLag: umm, that is all that is required with sudo  :/11:25
=== |trey| definatly would hate to see another catastophy like yast creep its way into Ubuntu :(
|trey|(yes I know there are some tools already, however hardly a complete set)11:28
|trey|SuperLag: blah... my language skills suck... thus why I am majoring in something logical  ;)11:29
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SuperLagWhat, English? :)11:30
|trey|SuperLag: no... english also encompasses spoken word... I got that down pretty well  :)11:30
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|trey|Its the part where I transfer that to paper that I fail at  :(11:31
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|trey|damnit, its 3:30am already... I have tests and stuff tomorrow, I should sleep  :(11:32
epsaswhoa... this channel is WAY smaller than #debian's11:32
|trey|epsas: bah, Ubuntu hasn't even reached release status yet... Debian had a 10 year headstart  :)11:33
epsasanybody know of good makejail *.py's?11:33
|trey|epsas: ahh... latino?  :)11:33
epsas|trey| - nein, mon frau.11:33
|trey|epsas: you lost me  :(11:33
|trey|jeje is usually used my latino's though... my mistake  :(11:34
epsastrey - ahh, sorry.  was j/k (=11:34
pittiplovs_: here11:34
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pittiplovs_: I just uploaded a new hal package into my archive which should fix the issues with your USB stick and your ZIP drive; can you please test it?11:35
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stojanosHow to get C header files to match ubuntu (warty) kernel so that I can compile new module?11:37
|trey|stojanos: linux-headers-yourkernelver11:38
|trey|apt-get install that11:38
stojanosthanks, I am coming from redhat so debian is new for me.11:39
epsasstojanos - is there a build-essentials package on your system?11:39
stojanosI'll check11:39
|trey|stojanos: it is not installed by default, so if you didn't install it, its not there...11:39
epsasstojanos - that has the compilers and dev libraries11:40
stojanosit's not so I will install that too11:40
epsasthere are probably meta-packages that weigh less, but i don't know of them11:40
|trey|Stupid question... does the installer install "linux-image-2.6-$ARCH' or just the most recent kernel? if the prior is installed, it will also upgrade to 2.6.9 when its released, which is kinda handy  :)11:41
|trey|epsas: build-essentials is pretty much exactly what it says... about as small as is required  :)11:41
Treenaks|trey|: but it could also break on some hardware..11:41
|trey|You can install individual packages, but thats a pain  :/11:41
knackkoi have got ubuntu on my compaq 2109 k7, with powernowd but ubuntu does not do the modprobe powernow-k7 for powernowd ! (it is just a note, i do it manualy now)11:42
epsastrey - except if 2.6.1? or whatever turns out to be completely rotten =/11:42
Treenaksknackko: file a bug11:42
|trey|Treenaks: I've never seen something break via upgrades enless through major upgrades (ie, some things broke from 2.4 > 2.6)11:42
Treenaksknackko: if it's not already there11:42
knackkoTreenaks: i am going to, ok11:43
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|trey|knackko: do yourself a favor and type "echo powernow-k7 >> /etc/modules"11:43
knackko|trey|: thanks11:44
kinemaso what is ubuntu's claim to fame?  what sets it apart from debian?11:44
|trey|knackko: basically, that file contains modules to be loaded at boot... with discover1 installed, most are not necissary to include in there, just things that aren't detected  :)11:45
|trey|kinema: read the main page "www.ubuntulinux.org"11:45
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|trey|kinema: basically... a supported sid with a tweaked gnome, regular releases... and incorporation back into debian...11:46
kinemaaccording to the web page ubuntu == debian + stated multilingual support + 18 month release cycle11:47
|trey|(the last one is more a differentiator between ubuntu and other debian based distro's such as linspire or xandros etc...11:47
rosshm the powernow modules can be detected, surely, based on the cpu id11:47
Kinnisonross: for the most-part. some northbridges are odd11:48
|trey|kinema: releases every 6 months also, you forgot that part  ;)11:48
TreenaksKinnison: 18-month? not 6-month?11:48
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jonohi all11:48
knackko|trey|: thanks trey, it is the bug 1444, Frequency shown on gnome-cpufreq-applet changes randomly, in fact, the powernow modules are not "modprobe"11:48
KinnisonTreenaks: ?11:48
jonoanyone know if there is an orinoco wireless kernel module for ppc ubuntu?11:48
|trey|Treenaks: eol is 18 months... so support spans 3 releases  :)11:48
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Treenakseol != release cycle11:49
Treenaksrelease cycle = time between releases = 6 months11:49
|trey|Treenaks: he got his wording wrong... just go with it  ;)11:49
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=== |trey| wonders how likely it might be for gaim-vv to be included in universe?
|trey|Always wanted to play with it... can't be asked to compile it though  :(11:52
|trey|No webcam... but would like to view others  :(11:53
rosswhat does it do over gnome-meeting?11:53
Treenaksplug into gaim, probably11:54
|trey|ross: it supports yahoo and msn cam... not just netmeeting...11:54
|trey|(ie, it doesn't only use H23211:54
|trey|Infact I don't think it even uses H232 due to none of the IM protocols using it...11:54
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|trey|For instance, Yahoo apparently streams successive jpegs over their protocol...11:55
jonocan we unload kernel modules yet in linux?11:56
|trey|jono: man rmmod11:56
joemjono, rmmod?11:56
|trey|jono: its been possible since 2.2 AT LEAST!!11:56
jono|trey|, really?! I thought kernel module unloading was a recent thing?11:56
Treenaks|trey|: not if you disable the option in the kernel configuration11:56
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|trey|jono: not so much  :/11:57
|trey|Treenaks: oh... I use prebuilts mostly... don't have the processing power or patients to compile...11:57
Treenaks|trey|: I've only started using prebuilt kernels with ubuntu..11:58
|trey|Treenaks: cooliez :/  I've used the Debian kernels for like 3 years  :/11:58
jonoI need to patch the kernel and compile another module11:59
|trey|jono: have fun... the joys of having a system designed for easy linux configuration  :)11:59
|trey|Not to mention as cheap as possible while still being tolerable  :)12:00
jonothe driver seems to be the same as the one in the kernel but without rfmon monitoring built in for some reason12:00
Qo-noSjono: btw thanks for all those nice articles inLinuxFormat and the likes ;)12:00
jonoQo-noS, no probs, cheers :)12:01
Qo-noSjono: :)12:01
jonohmmm, my powerbook just beeped loudly - is there something in Ubuntu that does this?12:01
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jonoaaha, it seems the orinoco bug has been filed :)12:07
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joemsame here12:08
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jonois it possible to indicate in an existing bug report that it affects me too ?12:09
Telepbonjouir? :D12:09
Telepfreudian slip?12:09
Mirnohehe no12:10
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MirnoJouir is like uh .. enjjoy very much .. linda sexual conotation. 12:11
joemjono, comment on it I guess12:11
TelepMirno: I know :)12:11
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jonohow can I subscribe to the bug to get emails about its progress?12:12
MirnoTelep,   I say that on purposes .. it's no slip.12:12
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joemadd your self to the cc list12:12
MirnoTelep,   said*12:12
joemtop righthand corner12:12
TelepMirno: ah, OK :)12:12
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jonoright off to work on some writing12:14
jonoseeya soon folks12:15
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MirnoTelep,   so, um, what's up in the wonderful world of Ubuntu ?12:15
|trey|Hmm, just found http://www.aboutdebian.com/ ... looks very good for our newer users, perhaps we should link to it someplace?12:16
TelepMirno: well, I'm just a user :)12:17
TelepMirno: but it's running fine on my HP laptop :)12:17
|trey|(only briefly browsed it, but it looks to be a pretty good resource for newer users)12:17
MirnoTelep,   i'm waiting for the cd12:17
TelepMirno: you haven't got access to broadband?12:18
MirnoTelep,   Looks greate, but did not tested yet.12:18
MirnoTelep,   I do12:18
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MirnoTelep,   I prefere to wait for the final12:18
TelepI was suprised how well everything "just worked" on my laptop even though it's a preview12:18
Telepwell, everything I need, anyway :)12:19
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MirnoTelep,   yup, It's gonna ba something huge.12:19
TelepI couldn't wait to try Gnome 2.8, and someone mentioned Ubuntu in the Gentoo forums :)12:20
MirnoTelep,   lookslike it's gonna replace mandrake on desktops I install for my custumers12:20
Telepso I downloaded it for fun and now probably won't be going back to Gentoo :)12:20
MirnoTelep,   yup gentoo I left gentoo for Nasgaa a year ago, i just installed some thing else (I was still in gnome 2.2 hh)12:21
|trey|Telep: it should be noted that Ubuntu isn't mainstream GNOME 2.8... Computer and trashapplet are the most obvious deviances  :)12:22
TelepHow are they different?12:22
|trey|Telep: trashapplet will make 2.10... Computer menu is something different for Ubuntu...12:23
Telepah, ok :)12:23
|trey|Telep: mainstream has Actions as you have probably seen before  :)12:23
Qo-noSTelep: well, take a look at these screenies and compare them to Ubuntu's and see how GNOME 2.8 on Debian differs from GNOME 2.8 on Ubuntu >12:24
|trey|Qo-noS: bad examples... those aren't exactly mainstream either  :/12:25
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Qo-noSof course, GNOME like most other DEs and WMs can be configured to look anything you want ;)12:25
Qo-noS|trey|: ;)12:26
Qo-noSbut some indication of some diffs ;)12:26
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|trey|Qo-noS: everything in use there is available for Debian?12:26
|trey|Qo-noS: not really... Actions menu isn't even shown... most things other then that are the same  :/12:27
|trey|Indubstial is even default theme afaik12:27
Qo-noS|trey|: yeah I took it out to make space ;)12:27
|trey|Qo-noS: question right before that is more important to me :)12:28
|trey|I kinda want that theme (and the icons)12:28
Qo-noS|trey|: and almost every app you see is indeed in Debian Unstable/Experimental save for GnomeBaker that is12:28
|trey|Qo-noS: whats GnomeBaker?12:29
Qo-noSits the Aero theme think I got it from either http://art.gnome.org/ or http://www.gnome-look.org/12:29
Qo-noSGGnomebaker is a CD burning app ala k3b ;)12:29
|trey|Oh... I just use cdrecord itself :/12:29
Qo-noSthere's an Aero theme for gkrellm as well btw12:29
|trey|Themes name?12:29
|trey|ahh, you already said that, sorry12:30
Qo-noSAero is the name;)12:30
bob2sudo complains that it's not setuid12:30
bob2but according to ls it is12:30
Telepis GnomeBaker good?12:31
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Qo-noSTelep: not bad but not a k3b as yet by any measure...still early stages ;)12:33
bob2hat is so good about k3b?12:33
|trey|Qo-noS: you working on it yourself?12:33
bob2people seem transfixed by it12:33
|trey|bob2: it lets a moron burn a cd12:33
bob2so does nautilus12:33
|trey|And on top of that its pretty...12:34
bob2'drag files here.  click "burn"'12:34
Qo-noSCoaster-gui, Optimystic are coming along fine as probable k3bs of the GNOME desktop...Gcdw is not bad as it is12:34
Qo-noS|trey|: nah I'm just you typical lazy bastard ;)12:34
|trey|bob2: I don't consider having the iso burned on a cd a functional burner... that is kinda useless  :/12:34
bob2|trey|: what more do you want it to do?12:35
|trey|Everytime I see a CD with somefile.iso on the cd, I want to scream12:35
bob2that's not what nautilus does12:35
|trey|bob2: thats what I have ended up with everytime I have tried...12:36
Qo-noSBut Ubuntu amongst the countless Debian-derivatives Ihave evaluated (just this knack of trying new distros) is the best I must say...maybe I'm just biased but it is hehe12:36
bob2|trey|: filed a bug?12:36
bob2that seems amazingly broken12:36
|trey|bob2: its happened on 4 or 5 different distro's, using cdrecord on its own is just easier  :/12:36
cefbob2: what about copying a cd?12:36
bob2cef: ah, good point12:37
cefbob2: particularly if it's a format you can't read, but still need to copy12:37
Qo-noSheard gthumb is incorprating a cd burning feature for pixies, and hmmm totem for movies and with Nautilus doing data...hehe nice combo even without all these other frontends like gcdw and gnome baker12:37
|trey|Totem can burn stuff?  :o12:38
|trey|Damnit, so much porn lost for no reason  :'(12:38
bob2now I need to find some way to root my own machine, since sudo's fucked.12:38
Qo-noS|trey|: no but soon me think12:38
|trey|bob2: shoulda given root his own password  :)12:39
pisukeit's better to have burn facility provided by the app, imho12:39
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Safari_Albob2, tried booting into single user mode?12:39
Qo-noS|trey|: I have 1 GB os pr0n pixies atm...talk abt backing them up :P12:39
|trey|pisuke: indeed... more logical...12:40
bob2Safari_Al: yeah, just trying to avoid a reboot12:40
bob2|trey|: hehe12:40
pisukenautilus data, totem movies, rb music and gthum pics. :)12:40
Safari_Albob2, if you can avoid a reboot, then I'd be interested to know how you did it :)12:40
bob2Safari_Al: haha12:41
|trey|Qo-noS: bah... images don't do it for me... need motion and sound... if I need to use my imagination, I might as well not have visual aid at all  :)12:41
bob2that is a good point12:41
Qo-noSpisuke: now that is a thought...hint hint devels ;)12:41
pisukeQo-noS, heh12:41
|trey|bob2: init requires root access huh?  :(12:41
|trey|bob2: you're fucked... I get to laugh now k?  8-)12:41
bob2|trey|: boot: Linux init=/bin/bash12:42
|trey|bob2: cept you said without rebooting  8-)12:42
|trey|bob2: that really ought not to work... but it does... not on most distro's though  :(12:42
bob2bastard mdz for making ubuntu secure.12:42
bob2|trey|: it works on all distros I know of12:42
bob2I've never seen one set a default bootloader password12:43
|trey|bob2: tried it on SUSE and Fedora (class, fellow classmate bothered me  :/)12:43
|trey|bob2: usually asks for roots password when you boot... thus a stumbling block12:44
|trey|Although some folks set 'password' as roots password.... soooo original  8)12:44
bob2|trey|: they both block you from specifying boot options?12:45
|trey|bob2: no... just when you boot, it requests roots password  :/12:45
|trey|If root doesn't have a password... you're still fucked  :/12:46
|trey|bob2: have a recent ubuntu install cd handy? 12:46
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joemif you are really stuck, you can just boot from cd and chroot12:47
joemthen set the passwd12:47
|trey|Hope nothing important isn't backed up  :(12:47
bob2of course, I know how to reboot and get in12:47
|trey|bob2: I know what you said earlier... and I have yet to see it work  :/12:48
|trey|bob2: I even lost $5 cuz it didn't work on Gentoo  :/12:48
|trey|(teacher's box is gentoo  :/)12:49
bob2could someone with working sudo run this for me: "ltrace sudo ls 2>&1 | grep geteuid"?12:49
thom2:45 ~% ltrace sudo ls 2>&1 | grep geteuid12:50
thomgeteuid()                                        = 100012:50
bob2hm, same here, then it prints that it needs to be setuid12:50
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thom2:45 ~% ls -la =sudo12:51
thom-rwsr-xr-x    1 root        97864 2004-09-28 18:10 /usr/bin/sudo12:51
bob2-rwsr-xr-x  1 root root 94032 ...12:51
bob2I do know how to use ls, thom :)12:52
thombob2: i'm never sure that your hair doesn't get in the way ;-)12:52
[Bas] bob2, tried gksu or gnome-sudo?12:52
|trey|[Bas] : gksudo calls sudo  :/12:52
pisukehave you consider having "Open Location (ctrl+l)" below "Find Files" in computer menu? imho it would be nice.12:52
bob2it prints the error twice.12:52
bob2gksu won't work since I have no root password12:53
plovs_pitti, hal seem to be working ok today, your work or just happy bits today12:53
plovs_in metacity keybindings what is the abbreviation for page-up?12:53
bob2well, I'll just submit it, hope someone else figures it out12:53
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|trey|pisuke: what advantages would that provide over Computer >> disks?12:54
|trey|That + Applications >> run = same functionality :/12:55
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bob2hm, sudo upload two days ago, suspicious12:55
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pisuke|trey|, i think it should work like applications -> run12:56
|trey|bob2: just upgraded for me today... perhaps contained a fix?12:56
bob2|trey|: before that it hadn't been changed since august12:56
pisuke|trey|, computer -> open location12:56
|trey|pisuke: I dunno, still doesn't seem useful... if you become familier with the vfolders in use, you can add it yourself?12:57
pisukewithout the disks step12:57
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|trey|bob2: wierd... I upgrade at least once a day... it came along with the last but one upgrade12:57
|trey|(so about 3 hours ago)12:58
|trey|pisuke: perhaps it would be useful... I garentee I wouldn't use it though  :/12:59
cefbob2: so you don't wanna reboot but wanna hack root?12:59
|trey|cef: I think he rebooted already  ;)12:59
bob2cef: oh, I'm just bitter that my laptop fucked up at all, don't mind me12:59
cefbob2: heh.. fun fun01:00
|trey|bob2: *coughnexttimesetapasswordforrootcough*01:00
cefbob2: well spose this does point out a possible problem for ubuntu.. huge reliance on sudo01:00
cefand if sudo dies, bye bye01:00
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cefyou know, it could be pretty easy to just automatically set the root password to the first users password by default01:01
cefat install time01:01
bob2|trey|: I installed it ten minutes ago01:01
bob2ie sudo never worked01:01
bob2cef: yeah01:02
thomcef: true, but sudo has been pretty damn reliable for me; never seen it die except when the binary gets nuked by disk corruption01:02
bob2cef: I don't think it will be a common problem, it's never bothered me before01:02
thomcef: talked about that, what happens when the user changes his password?01:02
cefand mebbe even add it so that if the user changes his password, the root password also gets changed01:02
|trey|thom: the password is different?01:02
pisukemmm. synaptic doesn't does apt-get clean automagically?01:02
thom|trey|: yes, and now we've broken user expectation and potentially broken their system01:03
cefstore the strings on disk in shadow as identical copies, that way you can't use the pair of them to cut the search space in half if you try a brute force (assuming that they can access the shadow file)01:03
|trey|pisuke: no... apt-get clean can fuck up deps... a very bad thing when you wish to remove something like KDE (trust me on this  ;)01:03
bob2ggr, now sudo is hung because there's no DNS01:04
|trey|thom: I think sudo should maybe be the "recommended method" and root should be configured as normal...01:04
pisuke|trey|, heh01:04
thom|trey|: apt-get clean deletes stuff from /var/cache/apt/archives nothing else.01:04
thomit absolutely can *not* fuck up deps01:04
thom|trey|: why?01:05
cefthom: re: sudo and corruption: true.. but what if (and this is my whole point).. there is a security bug in sudo. they rush to release a fixed package, and in the process it breaks something for the majority of users, but not the developer who tested it (eg: a lib dependency).. suddenly, you have lots of non-working systems01:05
|trey|thom: ok... install Debian... install GNOME and KDE... upgrade to sid... remove kdebase (for instance) and look at what is removed... hint, most of KDE remains...01:05
bob2|trey|: that has nothing to do with apt-get clean.01:05
|trey|thom: Its caught me out about 4935794357653 times01:06
|trey|bob2: it usually happens after an apt-get clean :/01:06
thom|trey|: that's removing, not *clean*01:06
|trey|never see it if I keep them around  :/01:06
[Bas] pisuke, in synaptic go to settings --> prefs --> temp files  and choose the methode you like (clean after install)01:07
bob2|trey|: apt-get clean reall yreally only deletes .debs from /var/cache/apt/archives/.  it does not install or remove any packages.01:07
bob2s the sysrq key on powermacs?01:07
thomcef: well, this assumes that the distribution doesn't test at all, either. but yes, i understand what you're saying, but the same could happen with PAM and a stack of other things01:07
cef|trey|: I can confirm bob2's comment.. (and that's cos I've looked at the apt source previously)01:07
|trey|bob2: I dunno... explain it any other way... apt-get clean is the only common difference in that working and not working  :/01:08
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bob2|trey|: then you did something else.  it would be a critical bug in apt if it did that, and I've never heard of it happening before.01:08
cefthom: true.. but we don't want to put in too many layers, else it's a testing nightmare.. (ie: lots of variables)01:08
bob2cef: my condolences :-)01:08
|trey|Its the reason I started using Debfoster, it allowed me to avoid that problem...01:08
pisuke[Bas] , thank you. i was searching for that option but don't know why i did not see it. 8)01:09
bob2if you can reproduce it, file a bug01:09
joebeastie2is it me or should the motd be changed. i dont want to see a copyright when i login to the console :)01:09
cefthom: no, I'm not saying giving root a password is the right thing, but it's one way to attack the issue (as I see it anyway)01:09
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joebeastie2actually i think it is the issue01:09
bob2you can change it01:09
|trey|joebeastie2: sudo vi /etc/motd  :/01:09
joebeastie2i know but why not have something very ubuntu instead and have more /etc/copyright for copyright info01:09
joebeastie2all i am saying :)01:09
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sivangfabbione : well, just to let you know - I tested with xphome, and i have a pretty good OSD for that flatron, whenever I am in ubuntu it says "85Hz"01:10
thomjoebeastie2: post to the users list, see what people think01:10
fabbionesivang: ok. it might be a limitation of the nv driver01:10
thomi think it's fine as is01:10
fabbionesivang: DDC doesn't detect more than 85Hz and there is nothing i can really do to override it01:10
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fabbionesivang: you might want to check man nv and see if there is any option to do that manully. like NoDDC01:11
sivangfabbione : Can01:11
cefsure it should detect > 85Hz? 85Hz is usually very flickery or possibly interlaced in some cases01:11
pittiplovs_: sorry for the delay, just had lunch01:11
sivangfabbione : funny thing is, that ddc was disabled on my monitor01:11
pittiplovs_: did you upgrade the hal package?01:11
pittiplovs_: 0.2.98-1ubuntu2 should fix it01:11
fabbionesivang: if DDC was disabled xrepsrobe would not have worked at all01:12
joebeastie2thom: i might just add a bugzilla report on it. i dont want to get on any more mailing lists :P01:12
thomset it to trivial or enhancement01:12
thomplease :-)01:12
sivangfabbione : then maybe the monitor lies01:12
joebeastie2will do. i know it isnt a bug01:12
ceffabbione: quick q.. does the nv or nvidia driver support widescreen style resolutions?01:13
sivangfabbione : ok, ddc is on now. lemme try agian01:13
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|trey|joebeastie2: you realize you don't have to sign up for mailing lists to send to most of them right?01:13
fabbionecef: i don't remember sorry. i would have to check01:13
fabbionesivang: ok01:13
|trey|Thats why they stick archives everywhere  :)01:13
ceffabbione: 'scool.. thanx anyway01:14
fabbionecef: no problem :-)01:14
sivangfabbione : ok, ddcprobe gives this among it's other output --> dtiming: 1600x1200@9801:14
sivangfabbione : does the @98 means someting ? :)01:14
fabbionesivang: i told you that the driver doesn't lie!01:14
|trey|joebeastie2: you should kick your imposter man  :)01:15
|trey|kinda annoying having to type the 2 everytime I type your nick  :(01:16
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sivangfabbione : no it doesn't. It is a hell of a driver, what could be needed to make it usable as the proprierty one?01:16
joebeastie2|trey|: no that is me as well. just have it on my desktop but i am on my laptop :)01:16
fabbionesivang: only the 3D support :/01:17
|trey|joebeastie2: grr... its annoying though  :/01:17
joebeastie2|trey|: for who?01:17
sivangfabbione : oh. well, why won't them release an api to work with so we can add the support?01:17
bob2npmccallum: (if you're still artwork dude) is the gnome startup splash supposed to have a white shadow o nthe text?01:17
|trey|joebeastie2: everyone but you...01:17
fabbionesivang: that's the stuff they are not releaseing 01:17
joebeastie2|trey|: :P01:17
fabbionesivang: otherwise it would be too easy01:17
|trey|joebeastie2: ok, I'll just /ignore both, k  :/01:18
sivangfabbione : i see. Hmm, well, so you suggest to man nv and see if there's an option to use explicit mode?01:18
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sivangfabbione : and if so, why won't it work in XF86COnfig?01:18
joebeastie2|trey|: no i will get off of this one. :(01:19
joebeastiesorry bout that01:20
ceffabbione: actually sivang has a good point.. what if the 3d support could be added as a binary module of some type to the existing nv driver? now that'd rock.. it'd be a bit of work for nvidia of course01:21
ceffabbione: it'd get rid of this '2 driver shuffle' issue.. hrm.. now if only we can convince nvidia.. *grin*01:21
sivangcef : for nvidia? assuming they would agree01:21
sivangcef : can't we reverse engineer it and hack it to our needs?01:22
cefsivang: true.. that is the thorn of course.. then again.. it'd reduce the code they'd have to maintain01:22
fabbionesivang: now you need to change the Horiz/Vert frequency entry in X config and restart X01:22
Treenakswatch out that it doesn't become a second 'pwc'...01:22
sivangfabbione : ok, what values?01:22
fabbionesivang: the one you get from xresprobe01:23
cefsivang: that'd take a while.. and why not let nvidia bring the code closer to what we have first before we bother to do that. *grin*01:23
fabbionesivang: just re-run it again01:23
fabbionesivang: and it should get the new freq range01:23
fabbionesivang: if freq are the same, you only need to restart X to let the driver figures that it can run at 100Hz01:23
fabbionecef: welcome to do so. i have binary drivers enough already ;)01:24
cefTreenaks: that assumes that we'd be trying to get the nvidia kernel module integrated into the kernel.. which would not be a good idea01:24
sivangcef : I think I'll try to approach them about that. I love the free driver, would love see it has 3d01:24
ceffabbione: heh..01:24
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fabbioneok i guess i will have to stay awake more01:25
sivangcef : but we shall not ask them to release the implementation, just and ADT's header file I reckon.01:25
fabbioneyou guys are a drug for me01:25
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sivangfabbione : this whole ubuntu thing is like a drug to me :)01:25
ceffabbione: the world is a drug!01:25
sivangfabbione : ok, the freqs are the same. the server booted. Still 85Hz01:26
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ceffabbione: Never turn your back on a drug. Especially when it's waving a razor sharp hunting knife in your eye.01:26
fabbionecef: ehm.. that wasn't really the point01:27
fabbione<fabbione> sivang: woke at 4:50 am and it's almost 13:10 ;)01:27
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sivangfabbione : :-)))))01:28
ceffabbione: there has to be a point? *grin*01:28
sivangfabbione : maybe you do need to try get some sleep, I'm concered about you fabbione. We need xorg in hoary :)01:28
fabbionecef: well yes.. i am very tired :P01:28
ceffabbione: you'll get sleep when daniels gets there.. he promotes sleep01:29
fabbionecef: AHAHA01:29
fabbionesivang: it's not like i am the only one that can do X.org ;)01:29
fabbionesivang: you are allowed to credit me for the good stuff and blame daniels for the problems01:29
sivangfabbione : ofcourse! you let me know, and I will bang my head against it for as long as I have strangth :_)01:29
fabbionethat's what we agreed with cef ;)01:29
sivangfabbione : daniels is australian right?01:30
ceffabbione: usually the "You're mad daniel, you know that? ahh stuff this, I'm going to go to sleep and ignore you for a while." type of thing01:30
fabbionesivang: yes.. 01:30
cefsivang: he is01:30
sivangfabbione 01:30
sivangwell, I wouldn't want to mess with him..01:30
sivangalthouhg you are an italian, that might be even dangerous :-)01:30
ceffabbione: though the other type of sleep is the "I'm too pissed to stand" style01:30
fabbioneuh do you prefer to mess with an italian?01:30
fabbionecef: lol01:31
sivangnotice my former line01:31
fabbioneyeah ehehehe01:31
sivanganyway, i will man nv and drill down it - try to see if I can overide autodetection01:31
ceffabbione: I must admit, from what I've seen of daniels' driving skills, he could be italian.. has a reckless attitude to speed..01:32
fabbionesivang: I think that NoDDC should do01:32
sivangfabbione :X.org compiles on the buildds already?01:32
sivangfabbione : on XF86Config ?01:32
fabbionesivang: no. there is no X.org01:32
fabbionesivang: yes, just check the manpage for nv01:32
Treenaksfabbione: you sound like that boy from The Matrix.. "There is no spoon."01:32
sivangfabbione : oh, but it's a feature goal I think I saw on the wiki01:32
fabbioneTreenaks: how true!01:33
sivangTreenaks : *lol*01:33
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fabbionesivang: correct. it's a feature goal.. but hoary is in 5/6 months...01:33
fabbionesivang: it's not like i create packages from one day to another ;)01:33
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fabbione^^^ it doesn't really work that way :P01:33
ceffabbione: nah, usually it only takes 3-4 hrs after finding another bug01:33
thomfabbione: hrm, it's not where i thought you pulled them from01:34
fabbionethom: ehehhe01:34
fabbionei need to go and crash a bit on the bed01:34
cefthom: tsk tsk.. he doesn't pull them out of daniels' arse.... tho I think daniels does.. *grin*01:34
fabbionelater guys01:34
thomsleep well duder01:34
fabbionethanks thom01:35
ceffabbione: yeah, rest up01:35
thomcef: *g*01:35
fabbionethom: you have my phone number if the world will start to fall down ;)01:35
sivangfabbione : haha01:35
cefthom: then again, most of what daniels does is like that.. *coughapache2cough*01:35
sivangfabbione : Go get this sleep going, don't let it slip away01:35
manou_hi there, I'm trying to start a ssh server on ubuntu with classic /etc/init.d/ssh start but as there is no root account it says me I can't. Does anyone know what I am supposed to do to start ssh server on ubuntu ?01:35
spivUse sudo.01:36
sivangmanou_ : sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start01:36
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sivanggive your CURRENT users's pasword01:36
thomcef: don't i flippin' know it. "hi, i've done a new release, and it uses this whole new packaging system"01:36
manou_okay thanks spiv and sivang :)01:36
m_tthewwhen I ran 'sudo apt-get install ssh', it started sshd for me01:36
thomcef: i think i still have the email ;P01:36
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cefthom: heh01:36
sivanga new packaging system?? :-)01:36
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sivangfabbione : I am going for a couple of restarts to test vert freq - brb01:38
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cefhrm, I have way too much shit in my room01:40
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sivangman nv sends me to man XF86Config-401:41
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sivangfabbione : still here?01:45
sivanganybody here? seems like i am disconnected or something01:47
sivangI was worried :-)01:47
cefargh! I need more power points01:48
cefright, that does it! time to break out the 12 way power board01:48
sivangI have 2 dozen01:48
sivangand still it sometimes isn't enough01:49
cefyeah I have about that01:49
cefbut still.. this 12 way power board is useful01:49
sivanghow many machines do you have there? (dorms,home etc?)01:49
cefat the moment? about 6.. and it's my bedroom01:50
sivangcef : wow. 6?? why so many?01:50
cefsivang: some are going to various places soon01:50
sivangcef : is it a canonical branch? ;-)01:50
cefsivang: hahaha.. I wish!01:51
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m_tthew6 is too many :)01:51
cefthom: one of these days, I'll consider getting the sparc I have online01:51
NoodlesI have 6 Alphas in my bedroom.01:51
m_tthewif you have more than 3 in one room, it is time to figure out how much power you are using01:51
sivangNoodles : can you spare me one :)01:51
cefthom: if only for the novelty value01:51
Noodlessivang: They're all earmarked for Debian people.01:52
NoodlesThey're just in the bedroom as the study already has many machines that are actually in use.01:52
sivangNoodles : debian people? as in p.d.o ?01:52
NoodlesNo, people involved in Debian.01:52
thommust go and get mine01:53
sivangNoodles : oh, are you donating those to the debian project?01:53
NoodlesNot quite; people involved with it rather than the project.01:53
sivangNoodles : shall I want to purchase one, are they pricy or reasonable due to ALPHA decline?01:54
NoodlesThey still seem to shift for quite a lot; compared to Sparcs for example.01:54
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sivangor someoether place that still has those01:55
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sivangcef : anyway, do a machine list , how many differemt archs?01:59
cefsivang: erm, only one.. *grin*02:00
cefsivang: 1 x pIII-600 (my current lappy), 1 x celeron 1Ghz (firewall), 1 x Athlon 600, 1 x Athlon 500, 1 x Celeron 566, 1 x 1 Ghz celeron (rackmount machine for a usergroup)02:01
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cefone athlon and the celeron 566 are going to someone else shortly (when they bother to pick em up)02:02
cefand the firewall was the machine I loaned to daniels so that he could fix an X problem02:03
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manou_another question: I want to install kernel-headers for in ubuntu, for beeing able to install the nvidia driver, but there are no packets in normal or universe for kernel 2.6.8, am I supposed to change kernel ?02:05
Treenaksmanou_: you don't need the headers, the nvidia driver is included02:05
manou_Treenaks, for 3D too ?02:06
Treenaksmanou_: yes02:06
manou_Treenaks, omg !02:06
manou_Treenaks, okay I try :) thanx for the tip 02:06
Treenaksmanou_: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto02:06
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manou_Treenaks, great ! 02:09
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cefwell that's a bummer.. set up my (no so) new printer, and just realised, I don't have any paper! doh!02:27
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phillHi, I was just wondering if anyone has tried/had success with getting an ati 9500/9700 card working with ati's driver in ubuntu? (as in their binary drivers, and have 3d acceleration)02:31
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cefphill: tried the stuff at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto ?02:34
phillno, currently i'm running gentoo and have 3d acceleration, but i'm interested in switching to a debian based system02:34
philli will check out the link now02:34
cefno probs02:34
TarkaIs there an issue with missing packages in amd64/universe?  Or am I just doing something wrong?02:35
cefwell some stuff doesn't build on amd6402:35
cefnnot that  I've got details, nor do I (yet) own an amd6402:36
TarkaIt's stuff that should, like gkrellm.  It's certainly in the debian pure64 archive.  msttcorefonts is missing too, and that's arch-all.02:36
phillso ubuntu uses xfree?02:36
cefafter warty (the current one) the plan is to move to x.org02:37
Tarkaphill: you can install x.org next to xfree; see http://incubator.vislab.usyd.edu.au/roller/page/Steve/20040909#installing_a_non_intrusive_x02:38
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MirnoTreenaks,   you mean Nvidia/ATI drivers are included in Ubuntu ? You mean Canonical pays Nvidia ATI liscence for a free producte ?02:39
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phillthe nvidia/ati binaries are next to unsupported for linux, perhaps they pay for that? 02:40
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phillanyways, thats for your help, might give it a shot tonight :) sick of compiling crap02:40
MirnoTreenaks,   Ubuntu is definitvlysomething huge ...02:40
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lonewolffcan anyone help me with a printing problem02:50
thomso, LVM2 or evms?03:01
bob2thom: ok, laugh away, nosuid "somehow" breaks sudo.03:04
thomi'm shocked by this relevation03:04
bob2hey, I thought I set it on /home, not /03:05
thomi have one word for you. it starts with "p" and ends in "rat" ;-)03:05
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bob2I love you too, thombot.03:07
Kinnisonthom: plutocrat?03:09
Maydayis it just me or doesent nntp work in evolution?03:11
thomKinnison: not the word i was thinking of, but... ;-)03:12
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Kinnisonthom: Were you thinking of the word which apparently means "the fleshy part of the human body that you sit on" ?03:13
Kinnison'dict prat'03:14
bob2well, I never!03:17
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sebesthello anyone using ubuntu with a dhcp?03:24
Treenakssebest: yes, works great03:24
pisukenautilus should be able to umount a cd-rw before erasing it. it complains the device is busy i had to umount manually.03:24
sebestTreenaks: i think there is a bug when the dhcp server doesn't answer a domainname03:25
sebestlook in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-script03:25
sebestin the first test of function make_resolv_conf there is a "-a" meaning instead of "-o"03:26
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KosaiCoo.  Might qemu be able to emulate OS X on x86?03:36
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beezlyKosai: see... http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/03:38
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lonewolffhey there, is there a way i can make cups let me do admin stuff in the web interface?03:39
cefadmin like?03:41
cef(says me who is playing with cups on 2 PC's atm)03:41
lonewolffadding printers and deleting them, it says its been diabled for security purpouses03:41
lonewolffbecause the cups-gnome-ui wont add my printer properly03:41
cefahh, hrm03:42
cefwhats the cups-gnome-ui do wrong?03:42
lonewolffthe program tells me the printeris thereand i chooe it03:42
cefremote or local printer?03:42
lonewolffand all is well but if i look in properties it has added a network printer on usb://145?serial=CNblah/ and it should be a localprinter on /dev/usb/lpo like i told it03:43
Treenakslonewolff: upgrade to the latest versions of those packages, I believe that was fixed03:44
lonewolffoh ok, i asumed i would have them from the apt-get that ubuntu did but i shall try that03:44
lonewolffTreenaks: does apt-get update update any packages forwhihc new ones are in the repo?03:45
lonewolffah no its upgrade oops03:46
Kinnison"update" updates the package lists stored on your computer03:46
Kinnison"upgrade" upgrades the packages themselves03:46
Treenaksupgrade upgrades them to the latest versions know03:46
lonewolffok,ive been using yum for too long lol03:46
lonewolffits a package manager used in fedora core03:47
pisukelonewolff, you can use apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade the whole system03:47
lonewolffpisuke: thanx03:47
lonewolffi have t-shirt transfers that need printing lol03:47
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pittiSandrofiol: wanting to catch attention? :-)04:09
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Vorph777I've just installed ubuntu but getting no xwindows love...04:11
Vorph777"kernel:  Device 'i823650' does not have a release() function, it is broken and must be fixed."04:11
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tof_any experiences with wireless on ubuntu ?04:11
Treenakstof_: works fine04:11
Vorph777can anyone help?04:11
Treenaks(prism54 chip)04:11
tof_i've centrino04:12
TreenaksVorph777: the i823650 is a pcmcia driver, don't worry...04:12
TreenaksVorph777: what kind of video card do yuo have?04:12
Treenakstof_: should work04:12
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longsleeptof_: i use driverloader from linuxant without problems04:12
Treenakslongsleep: you don't need that for centrino..04:13
Vorph777ok, in that case I wil explore other avenues and try and suss it out myself, thanks for your help...:)04:13
longsleepTreenaks: i know .. i got another card04:13
tof_i've signal icon on taskbar but tells "no wireless device"04:13
longsleepTreenaks: just wanted to say that driverloader works with ubuntu :)04:13
longsleepjust the signal quality shows 100% anytime04:14
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tof_is there a  gui for wireless config ?04:16
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pisuketof_, computer -> system config -> network04:18
pisukethere's a wizard to add a network connection04:19
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thom/dev/evms/home        143G  4.1G  139G   3% /home04:22
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tof_i've a gui error when i tried to launch network-admin04:26
xfquestion before i ask any other stupid questions; anybody maintaining third party ubuntu faq's, howto's, etc - particulary with amd64?04:26
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leonelHello :  I have a problem with the mouse pointer , all works fine  but when  I switch to console and back to the Xwindow  shows up a  X window X cursor  static in the center of the screen  but the real mouse pointer works fine     any clue ?04:27
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xfok, failing that: anybody installed nvidia 64-bit drivers on ubuntu amd64?04:30
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lonewolffi have done an upgrade now but i am still having the same printing problems04:31
tof_how can i change kb language at login screen ?04:31
pisukelonewolff, try to add a printer with the new printer wizard04:32
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lonewolffpisuke: when i get to the end of the wizard i get an error "The Application "gnome-cups-manager" has quit unexpectedly"04:33
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tof--when i try to launch network-admin i get this error04:35
tof--(network-admin:7110): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:04:35
tof--Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.04:35
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[Bas] leonel, maybe this can help you: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/002102.html04:37
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leonel[Bas] : reading ....04:39
lonewolffpisuke: when i get to the end of the wizard i get an error "The Application "gnome-cups-manager" has quit unexpectedly"04:40
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mkyc-ubuntuheya guys04:40
mkyc-ubuntudownloaded and installed ubuntu tonight on my dell latitude csr and its flawless04:41
mkyc-ubuntuthe best install ever on this machine.  Very very good04:41
leonel[Bas] : Thanks  but still the same 04:42
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mkyc-ubuntuanyway just wanted to say cool job to any of the ubuntu team here - this is a distro i will be reccomending to all04:45
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bob2_Kamion: hm, I noticed gtkpbbuttons isn't on the cd, and gnome's equivalent doesn't seem to work for the brightness at least04:48
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elimthanks dev team for the myspell uk dictionary it has solved my problem with open office's spelling not working04:51
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stojanoswhich tool I should install for burning CDs from iso image04:58
trukulobut you can do it with nautilus04:58
stojanosis it X gui app04:58
bob2_stojanos: you could just try it and see04:59
trukuloselect with left button of the mouse, and it gives you an option to record in cd04:59
bob2_but no, cdrecord is a command line app04:59
bob2_which every other tool on linux calls to burn cds04:59
traestojanos, you need help with that?04:59
traestojanos, you have an ISO already downloaded?04:59
traedo this:  dmesg |grep channel05:01
stojanosnautilus shows iso icon for file with is ext. but right click does not list "record to cd" option05:01
traethat's not exactly helpful.05:01
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trukulostojanos, you said it's an iso?05:01
mykhey all05:01
traestojanos, that would be intuitive wouldn't it?05:01
traestojanos, do dmesg, and scroll back up and look for your CDburner05:02
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trukulostojanos, sudo apt-get install nautilus-cd-burner05:02
myki'm curious about adding a ubuntu mirror to the file mirror i maintain here at school -- is there anyone here that I can talk to about it?05:02
trukuloMyK: read wiki05:03
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myktrukulo: i have.  i'm curious if the statement about the size "doubling in the immediate future" refers to the main rsync or the cdimage rsync, or both, or what05:04
traeodd, don't see it in my dmesg now.05:04
trukulomyk, try to talk with developers05:04
myktrukulo: that's what i came to do.  thanks for the help though05:05
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trukulomyk, #ubuntu-devel05:05
trukulobut don't disturb there05:05
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trukulothey are very serious at working *cough*05:05
carlosmyk: we are going to start hoary development soon05:06
carlosso you will have two versions instead of only one05:06
trukulodevel and stable, that's correct05:06
mykcarlos: would you be against us just mirroring the stable releases?05:06
mykright now i only have about 20 gigs i can spare05:06
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carlosmyk: no, I don't think it's a problem if you only have a mirror for the stable release05:07
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jasona90any one know how to set up DNS correctly05:16
bob2_edit /etc/resolv.conf05:16
jasona90k i dont have a resolv.conf file05:17
jasona90im not sure what is supposed to be in it05:17
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bob2_are you using DHCP?05:17
traehow does one reload .Xresources again?  xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources ?05:17
traeI always forget05:17
jasona90no Manual 05:17
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bob2_jasona90: are you using DHCP?05:18
jasona90No should i be05:18
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jasona90I can only get a few web pages to load05:19
herzidoes anyone know a good linux live cd to rescue my ubuntu on ppc?05:19
jasona90so i assume that my DNS is messed up05:19
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cliffherzi: don't knoppix have a ppc CD ?05:19
bob2_herzi: if you have I/O errors from your disk, a rescue CD is unlikely to help you05:19
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Kamionherzi: you can rescue with the install CD, if you try ...05:19
bob2_jasona90: that's a very poor assumption.05:20
cliffotherwise probably the gentoo live CD for that arch.05:20
jasona90lol k05:20
herziKamion, it doesn't contain the xfs repair stuff05:20
bob2_jasona90: can you resolve names using "host name.com"05:20
ricky_clarksonbob2_: What's your main raisin?05:20
jasona90i can ping hold on ill try05:20
Kamionherzi: oh, you can't even mount the partition?05:20
arthurgeeki think gentoo for ppc can be used..05:20
bob2_ricky_clarkson: heh, working for canonical, I guess05:20
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Kamionherzi: you could probably pick it out of the xfsprogs .deb, but that's an expert path :)05:20
ricky_clarksonbob2_: Who's that?05:20
herzinope i suddenly got IO errors during an update after that i rebooted05:21
ricky_clarksonOh, got it.05:21
jasona90yea host www.google.com works 05:21
ricky_clarksonbob2_: So you've finished Uni now?05:21
bob2_jasona90: ok, dns is fine then05:21
bob2_ricky_clarkson: the company behind ubuntu05:22
ricky_clarksonbob2_: I saw that.05:22
bob2_ricky_clarkson: nah, just putting it off for now05:22
herzii see i've got access to that udeb, but how do i "install" it into the ramdisk, there seems to be no dpkg05:22
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ricky_clarksonbob2_: So are you employed to be here now? ;)05:22
herzimemo to myself: create a ppc fallback solution05:22
lmlIs there a prefered way of specifying the type of monitor connected to a Ubuntu system?05:22
bob2_ricky_clarkson: hah, no, fortunately not05:23
bob2_lml: how do you mean? the refresh rate, etc?05:23
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ricky_clarksonbob2_: Congratulations.  What do you do for them, and are you working in Australia?05:24
jasona90bob2_: so is it possible that my drivers are messed up05:24
bob2_ricky_clarkson: heh, thanks...just some infrastructure stuff, yeah05:24
bob2_jasona90: I doubt it...which websites don't work?05:24
lmlbob2_: The Fedora installer tells me that it is unable to detect the type of monitor and let me select from a list of known monitors. Something similar would be nice so I can get more than 60Hz.05:24
jasona90google works sometimes and the ubuntu home page kinda works05:24
bob2_lml: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8605:25
bob2_jasona90: "kinda works"?05:25
lmlbob2_: Thanx, I will try that.05:25
jasona90it wont ever completly finish loading05:25
bob2_jasona90: sure your network connection/hardware is ok?05:25
jasona90i think05:25
jasona90it works fine in windows05:25
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jasona90so possibly i need to configure something in my router settings05:26
bob2_well, I can't think of anything that would make web pages half-load05:27
bob2_try asking on the ubuntu-users lsit?05:27
jasona90it can connect fine to the Ubuntu.com but then it trys to load some ads or something and it times out05:27
Kamionubuntu.com doesn't seem to be working at the moment ...05:28
Kamiontry www.ubuntulinux.org05:28
Kamionah yes of course, www.ubuntu.com is deliberately not there05:28
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jasona90or sorry yea thats the page i was talking about ubuntulinux.org05:29
vrlnubuntulinux.org works fine here, your internet connection might have some problems atm05:32
jasona90i can connect to it05:32
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jasona90it just never finished loading05:32
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jasona90the page doesnt appear to be partial either05:33
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jasona90If i use the IP instead of the web adress of google.com it load 100% of the time05:34
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jasona90IrC seems to be the only thing that works well on my internet05:36
jasona90I cant use Gaim it times out05:36
jasona90everything times seems to time out05:37
jasona90even though i can ping the ip with no problem05:37
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elimkde libs and core don't install (universe)05:45
trukuloelim, universe is not supported05:45
elimwhat is the 'universe'?05:45
trukulouniverse is a snapshot of debian sid05:46
trukuloall packages in universe, aren't supported05:46
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trukulobut if you want to take risk, you can05:46
trukuloall packages are compiled against ubuntu in the moment of the snapshot05:46
elimi am tis good 2.6.81 kernel :D05:46
trukuloso, if it's broken in universe, it's broken, period05:47
elimnobody fixes it?05:47
trukulono, at the moment05:47
trukulolater perhaps some packages in universe will be maintained by someone05:47
elimthat sucks how does anything ever get done?05:48
trukulonot now05:48
trukuloif you want to maintain one package, talk to developers05:48
Kamionelim: the current set of Ubuntu developers don't have time to support universe as well as everything else05:48
Kamionwe have enough to do supporting main and restricted05:48
Kamionbut community help with maintaining bits of universe (at which point they could possibly move out of universe) is welcome05:49
trukulothere are more than 1.000 packages supported in ubuntu05:49
trukuloand 35 developers: am i wrong kamion?05:49
hypatiaIf I download a source package from Debian non-free (sl-modem-source), how can I get kernel-package to build it with a dependency on LINUX-image rather than KERNEL-image?05:50
thomtrukulo: not even close to 35, more like 10 full time05:50
thomcanonical has about 35 staff total05:51
trukuloso it's amazing they can support well that amount of packages05:51
Kamionhypatia: you might well have to patch either kernel-package or the source package in question or both05:51
Zombhypatia: perl -pe 's,kernel-image,linux-image,g' -i /usr/src/modules/sl-modem/debian/*.in ; m-a build sl-modem05:52
hypatiaIs evolution uninstallable at the moment?05:54
elimhow do i maintain/package .debs?05:54
hypatiaIt's complaining about conflicts with evolution-data-server05:54
cliffhypatia: are you running it inside gnome ?05:55
zolrath__Perhaps using the i386 version instead of the amd64 version would be a better idea.  I've gotten a few architecture not supported occurances.05:55
cliffor KDE for that matter05:55
hypatiacliff: I never run it at all. But I have it installed, I just did an "update" and now aptitude wants to uninstall it.05:55
cliffoh ok.05:55
hypatiacliff: further investigation reveals that it conflicts with the new version of evolution-data-server05:55
cliffwhich version is it trying to remove ?05:56
hypatiaNo, 2.005:56
Kamionelim: that's a very long story best answered at the Debian web site05:56
hypatia2.0 evolution conflicts with data-server 1.0.1\05:56
cliffoh, awesome.05:56
hypatiaor >= 1.0.1 rather05:56
Kamionzolrath__: evolution should be fine on amd64 now, I think05:56
cliffdo you use the data server ?05:57
Kamionzolrath__: please do report any amd64 problems you see05:57
trukuloelim, first, you have to know how to make good packages05:57
trukuloso, you need to know debian very good05:57
hypatiacliff: no, but evolution also depends on it.05:57
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hypatiacliff: it looks like the only solution is to hold data-server at 1.0.005:57
cliffhypatia: if you're not using either of them, just remove it.05:57
hypatiaBut aptitude doesn't work that out on its own.05:57
cliffI didn't know there was a 1.0.1 version of the data server.05:57
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zolrath__Kamion: I haven't had evolution problems but just in general with things such as flash05:57
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cliffI don't know why you have it installed, I use evolution, but don't have the data server installed05:58
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hypatiacliff: evolution lists it as a dependency (2.0.0-ubuntu3)05:58
KamionZolrath: ah, I mean with stuff in Ubuntu05:59
ZolrathTotem on the other hand does seem to show no video for anything, simply audio.06:00
Kamionhypatia: hm, nothing evolution-ish is in the current list of uninstallable packages06:00
Kamion... how about I put that list somewhere that isn't company-private ...06:00
cliffhypatia: the box I'm referencing isn't actually tuning ubuntu.06:00
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spivKamion: that list has evolution in it06:02
hypatiaKamion: does that mean the problem isn't real?06:03
hypatiaKamion: I don't quite understand what you're trying to tell me :)06:03
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ZolrathTotem can't seem to show any video whatsoever and only plays audio streams, no matter what codec the video is in.06:05
tvon|x31Zolrath: I think totem-gstreamer is broken, totem-xine should work06:05
Kamionspiv: oh, bah, it didn't until like five minutes ago ...06:06
Kamionhypatia: nah, just trying to diagnose06:06
Kamionhypatia: a newer version of evolution was uploaded recently, give it a while to build, seems they're just out of sync06:09
hypatiaaptitude is annoying in that circumstance06:10
hypatiaIts solution is "just uninstall all effected packages"06:10
Kamionah, the build failed06:10
Zolrathtotem --xine says that --xine option is unknown and what ignored06:10
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hypatiaAnyway, the annoying thing about that is that you have to remember to reinstall.06:11
jasona90Hey Thanks whoever helped me i got My DNS thing fixed and all my pages load now06:11
Kamionyeah, stick 'em on hold for now06:11
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Zolrathdownloading I guess06:12
Telepwtf, I selected "mark all upgrades" in Synaptic, and now it want's to remove evolution?!06:12
Telep(didn't apply yet)06:12
hypatiaTelep: discussed just above06:13
hypatiaTelep: put evolution-data-server on hold06:13
hypatia(that's an annoying thing with aptitude/synaptic -- it makes it hard to find the magical package to hold)06:13
elimo my goodness, the documentation for the development of packages is Vast!06:14
elimwhy not make it simple?06:14
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Kamionproducing quality packages is not easy; it involves being able to support users ...06:14
Kamionbetter to filter out the people who can't deal with that early on :-)06:15
trukuloand a lot of knowledges06:15
jasona90does ubuntu come with a firewall06:15
Telephypatia: on hold? mm, how do I do that?06:15
Kosaijasona90: see the first FAQ entry :)06:15
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trukulojasona90, iptables06:15
Kosai(on the wiki)06:15
jasona90k ty06:16
trukuloiptables it's the best firewall06:16
hypatiaTelep: I don't know how to do in in synaptic, sorry06:17
ZolrathWhen configuring xine I get WARNING! No X11 output plugins will be built.06:18
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netvistunWe have a couple of computers that have slow internet, due to dns problem. But I fixed it in one compter by intalling packages and I can't reproduce it.06:18
Telephypatia: how do I do it otherwise then? Does putting on hold mean simply that it will not be upgraded?06:19
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hypatiaTelep: yes, until you explicitly ask that it be upgraded06:19
netvistunShort of copying the etc what other solution is there, because this is not a problem for fedora core 106:19
hypatiaTelep: I only know how to do it in aptitude, if you don't know aptitude already it's a bit of a pain to use06:20
hypatiaTelep: might be easier to find someone else who knows synaptic06:20
Telepwell I noticed, yes :)06:20
KamionTelep: lowest-common-denominator approach is 'echo evolution hold | dpkg --set-selections' in a root terminal06:20
Kamion(or 'echo evolution hold | sudo dpkg --set-selections)06:20
hypatiaKamion: I don't think holding evo helps06:21
hypatiaKamion: you need to hold evolution-data-server06:21
ZolrathIt can't seem to find aalib or pretty much anything whatsoever when trying to configure even if its installed06:21
trukuloZolrath, devel packages?06:21
elimim gonna try to package some kde packages would u be interested for me to do this or is somebody else doing this?06:21
Telepwell isn't it enough that after "marking all upgrades" in synaptic I simply manually unmark the packages I don't want it to touch?06:22
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Zolrathtrukulo, Thanks, I was foolish.. Although the other problems I might not be so lucky.06:23
trukuloZolrath, :)06:25
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elimany devs here?06:27
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trukuloelim, package kde it's VERY difficult06:27
elimhmm i think ill just start smaller then and try to package bash or somthing06:28
elimwhat do u recommend?06:28
elimto start with06:28
trukuloumm, try with bygfoot06:28
Kamionelim: you think bash might be already packaged? :-)06:29
trukuloor wifi-radar grom gnomefiles.org06:30
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punkass_i couldnt get wifi-radar to work cuz it requires dhcpcd06:34
punkass_and dhcpcd was causing me greif06:34
elimhmmm  i think ill just install kde from source code and then possible develop at a later date, i dont have that much free time,06:34
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hypatiaIs it against ubuntu policy to have icons appear on the desktop without the user explicitly adding them?06:36
hypatiaI ask because it is happening and I want to know whether I should file a bug.06:36
ggielim: Why are you installing kde from source?06:36
punkass_well i know they dont put any on there by default06:36
trukulohypatia, with what program?06:36
Jaraminanyone knows how to open a nautilus window with root privileges? I need to edit smb.conf...06:37
hypatiatrukulo: when I plug my USB digicam in, an "sda1" icon appears on the desktop.06:37
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ggiJaramin: sudo nautilus06:37
trukulohypatia, send a bug report, then06:37
Telephypatia: that's normal, it mounts it as a drive06:37
Telepor at least it should be06:37
Telepsame thing if you pop in a cd06:38
hypatiaTelep: I know it's normal to mount it, but I think Ubuntu has decided that having any icons appear without the user asking for them is a problem06:38
hypatiaHence, it may be a bug in Ubuntu even if its normal gnome behvaiour06:38
Telephmm... well I hope they still allow for that behaviour :)06:39
Telepeven if they change the default06:39
Jaraminggi: tried that, but it's fugly, even if it works. the terminal window gets into some sort of waiting mode and it won't get out of it until the window I opened with it is closed06:39
Vorph777Hello all. I just installed ubuntu - starts X and brings up the login screen ok but when I log in it loads for a bit then hangs at the "ubuntu" splash screen. Any ideas?06:39
TelepVorph777: did you try clicking the splash screen?06:40
ggiJaramin: Couldn't you just edit the file with a console text editor? If you must, you can do 'sudo nautilus &' to detach it from the terminal.06:40
Vorph777Telep - aye, no luck. Mouse cursor still moving but that's it06:40
Jaraminggi: I guess I could, but I come from the windows world, I like gui apps, that's the reason I love Ubuntu :) I'll try with the "&".06:42
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parkercI just upgraded via "Smart Upgrade" and evolution was uninstalled.  Evolution will not install without evolution-data-server > 1.0.0 (1.0.1 is installed)06:44
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Jaraminggi: not working, it asks for my password, though it's in clear text when I enter it, and then does nothing :-/06:45
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jayeolahi guys. 1st attempt to install ubuntu on a laptop :)06:46
punkass_hypatia: you can turn off mounted icons in Gconf06:47
ggiJaramin: Are you typing the command in a terminal?06:47
Jaraminggi: in other distros there's often a "open file explorer as root" icon, as much as there is already a "open terminal as root" shortcut, think it would be a nice addition.06:47
punkass_its on by default so i assume they want mounted icons to show up06:47
Jaraminggi: yep... I shouldn't?06:48
hypatiapunkass_: yep, but I want to know whether it *already should be* off.06:48
ggiJaramin: No, that's ok. Let me try...06:48
ggiJaramin: Ah, I get it. Try 'gksudo nautilus &' instead.06:49
hypatiaspiv told me that they'd decided "no random icons on desktop", so *shrug*06:50
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elimkde wont install from apt-get06:52
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Jaraminggi: it works, but the console window is still open, and the cursor is on a line with no prompt, is that normal?06:52
ggiJaramin: Yeah, probably. Just hit return a couple of times.06:53
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Jaraminggi: yup, one return did the trick, still, if I close the nautilus window while the terminal is still open, it spits out a gnome ui warning and a bonobo warning, try it06:55
ggiJaramin: Yes, it does.06:58
ggiJaramin: I don't think you have to worry about that too much.06:59
Jaraminggi: ok. I'll try to figure out a way to make a shortcut that does the same thing as for the root terminal... any place to post that suggestion to developpers?07:01
ggiJaramin: The mailing lists, I guess. I'm not entirely convinced it's a sane thing to have though.07:02
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Jaraminggi: thanks! well, it's sane enough for other distros... maybe they could put a warning pop-up telling you that it's dangerous if you change important files and bla bla bla...07:06
Jaraminggi: anyway, thanks for the help :)07:06
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jayeolahmmm... it seems as if you have to tell the installer yr n/work details, otherwise it stops07:13
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maswanMithrandir: let me know when you have fixed the problem and give me a link to an iso and I'll try another install07:13
herzii beat my hard disk07:13
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Tomcat_Hi xTina ;)07:15
xTinahi :)07:15
jayeolahas anybody successfully upgraded their kerenl once they have installed ubuntu?07:16
Kamionhypatia: no, that's deliberate07:17
Kamionhypatia: we turned that behaviour back on for some devices, because otherwise there was no discoverable way to unmount a device07:17
Kamionhypatia: if you can find the logs of the last technical board meeting, it was discussed there07:18
depin my country ubuntu mean fucked-up. 07:19
Kamiondep: can't win 'em all, that sort of thing happens with all kinds of names07:20
tsenghm any chance of newer ipw2200 driver in warty? bugfixes.07:23
depblocked or closed07:23
depkebuntuan: deadlock07:23
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depi need wide area project plan template....07:25
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_axeldamnit, i simply cant burn a single cd with my burner under ubuntu -- i've tried nautilus, k3b, raw cdrecord/crdao and they all give me nice coasters with "unknown error 254", i know the burner works cause i can use it under xp and it worked under sid/sarge07:26
depinstall back sarge imho07:27
_axelyeah sure07:28
_axelmaybe something less radical will do - i really like ubuntu so far07:29
hypatiaKamion: thanks07:31
Kamiontseng: I thought we already had 0.807:31
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peteoganyone had any issues when dist-upgrading that evolution is unistalled07:33
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hypatiapeteog: yes07:34
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hypatiapeteog: you should put evolution-data-server on hold07:35
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Tsjoklatehi everybody07:41
herziany ppc user around?07:41
Tsjoklatedid anyone have evo removed after doing apt-get upgrade?07:41
punkassKamion: you guys going to include ndiswrapper at all?07:41
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TsjoklateI just did an upgrade and evolution got removed.. when I want to reinstall it it wants to remove half of my system07:42
peteogTsjoklate, same prob here07:44
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TsjoklateI guess we are out of our email client peteog07:45
peteogyup :)07:45
Tsjoklateperhaps they are working on it right now and with the next update it will be fixed07:45
Tsjoklatefirst time Ubu does something this weird lol07:45
TsjoklateI got spoiled by having a working machine too long I suppose07:45
peteogTsjoklate, I was thinking the same thing :)07:46
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Tsjoklatemmm seems my entire computer is not a very happy camper at this moment... can't do anything07:46
TsjoklateI'll reboot see if that fixes it07:46
hypatiaTsjoklate, peteog: you need to downgrade evolution-data-server to 1.0.0 and then put it on hold07:47
mykhow long is "this long" ?07:47
Tsjoklatecan't do07:47
peteoghypatia: how do I downgrade?07:47
Tsjoklatewhen I want to remove it it wants to flush half my box07:48
hypatiapeteog: depends on what you're using to upgrade07:48
peteogwas using synaptic07:48
hypatiaI only know how to use aptitude, sorry07:48
hypatiaTsjoklate: you don't need to remove anything07:48
TsjoklateI don't want to07:48
Tsjoklatebut synaptic does07:48
Tsjoklatewhen I want to install evo it wants to do it07:48
peteogso how do you do it with aptitude?07:49
Tsjoklatewhen I try to remove the data server it wants to do it07:49
hypatiabecause evolution conflicts with the latest version of evolution-data-server07:49
Tsjoklatenot my idea07:49
hypatiahence, if you have an old version of evolution-data-server still around on your harddrive or in package lists, you should use that.07:49
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hypatiaor wait until they fix the build errors in the latest evolution07:49
Tsjoklateso stick with the number one version?07:50
Tsjoklatepeteog: select the data-server package, click package and click force07:50
hypatiayeah, stick with 1.0.007:50
hypatiaAt least until a new version of evolution is available which works with 1.0.107:51
Tsjoklatebad oops ain't it07:51
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hypatiaApparently you can find out about uninstallable packages from http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~cjwatson/testing/warty_probs.html07:51
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Tsjoklatewell it made my box crash07:54
Tsjoklateoh joy07:54
Tsjoklateok so downgrade to 1.0 and then what?07:54
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Kamionpunkass: we already have07:55
Tsjoklatewell I guess I put a lock on the evo data thing07:55
Kamionherzi: what's up?07:55
Tsjoklatethat was one scary deal07:56
Tsjoklateare they working on it?07:56
punkassKamion: in the current or in the next release?07:56
Kamionpunkass: it's already in warty07:56
punkassoh..is it installed by default?07:56
punkassor via apt-get07:56
herziKamion, i trashed my xfs07:56
herzibut i got it now07:57
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punkassjust curious, because i installed it from source...07:57
Kamionpunkass: it's part of our standard kernel images as of linux-source-
Kamion+  * Added NDIS wrapper (Pontus Fuchs):07:58
Kamion+    . drivers/net/Kconfig07:58
Kamion+    . drivers/net/Makefile07:58
Kamion+    . drivers/net/ndiswrapper/*07:58
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punkassoh..oops..guess i did a bunch of work i didnt need to..07:58
herziKamion, my gconf tree is a broken now, by time will heal these wounds07:58
herzitime, updates, ...07:59
stratkinghas anyone had any problems w/ getting an orinoco pcmcia card working?07:59
herzistratking, specify "working"07:59
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stratkingwell, in my situation, nothing happens at all, the lights on the card don't come on, the card isn't detected and the orinoco modules aren't getting loaded08:00
stratkingi can manually modprobe orinoco_cs to load the modules but still can't get the card to be recognized08:00
herziyou have your pcmcia socket set up?08:00
herzido other pcmcia cards work?08:00
stratkingthis is the only pcmcia card i use08:01
herzidoes cardinfo work?08:01
stratkinglet me try that08:01
herzicardinfo should live update its display when you plug the card in and pull it out08:02
stratkingit just says unsupported card08:02
herziwhat kind of orinoco is it?08:02
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stratkingon a dell inspiron if that helps at all08:03
herzilet me check this (haven't used wireless since switching to ubuntu)08:03
stratkinglucky bastard08:03
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herzistratking, doesn't work yet, gimme your email address and i#ll contact you once it works08:04
stratkingsweet, thanks08:04
stratkingand now everyone else can drop me a line when they want to as well :)08:04
stratkingoh well08:04
gommanslet me write that down stratking!08:05
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stratkingnp, i have plenty more invites, ill just give myself another one08:05
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stratkingno one emails me anyway08:05
Kamionlucky you08:05
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stratkingits alright, whenever i feel lonely, i log into hotmail and check out all my spam08:06
aspurustratking: we can subscribe yo to some spam lists08:06
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stratkingoh well time for class08:06
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gommansAny former mepis users here?08:07
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pojhi..if I want to setup my source for testing ( since i no sur i trust unstable) will this work you think ?08:13
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Kamiontrying to do an upgrade run from Ubuntu to Debian isn't guaranteed to work particularly well08:14
Kamionwe rebuild all packages from source without changing the version number; this can confuse apt if you try to mix the two08:14
pojic ah08:14
pojokay well..I typical no sure bout unstable as I run business set...your way of using unstable maybe safer ?08:15
Kamionpoj: neither08:17
Kamionpoj: we suggest that people who need to run software that's not in Ubuntu use our universe repository (but note that it's unsupported)08:17
pojneither?..i no undestand08:17
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pojKamion, what was main reason to go over testing if i can ask08:19
Kamionpoj: don't understand the question08:19
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Kamionpoj: if you mean why did we branch from unstable rather than from testing, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/document_view08:20
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lemonlysolI just did a apt-get update apt-get upgrade and it wants to remove evolution.  Did something change?08:22
tvon|x31Anyone know what the Amazon product is thats being used on the Ubuntu site?08:23
lemonlysolActually it looks like a problem with synaptic mark all smart option08:27
Kamionlemonlysol: evolution is uninstallable in Warty at the moment; one of the developers is looking at it08:28
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lemonlysolBut it was working before.  Is this recent?08:30
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Kamionlemonlysol: yes, it's recent08:32
lemonlysolIf it is already installed will it continue to run?08:32
LinuxJonesHi everyone08:32
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theantixlemonlysol, just don't upgrade until they fix it.. shouldn't be too long I'm guessing08:33
Kamionlemonlysol: yes, provided you don't upgrade evolution-data-server until it's fixed08:33
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lemonlysolok.  Thanks.08:34
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lemonlysolI really love this distribution.  I have been a linux server guy for years, but this distro has finally got me a useful desktop distro.  I'm very impressed!08:35
netvistunDoes any of you know anything about dns problems in Ubuntu?08:35
Dr_Willisive had no dns issues 08:35
trukulonor do i08:35
Dr_Willisnetvistun,  its most likely a network config issue.08:35
netvistunThe internet is terribly slow on a fresh install but I manged to fix it on one computer and I don't know how I did it.08:36
trukulonetvistun, here is right08:38
netvistunping works so do fine, dis, host and dnstracer08:39
Dr_Willishow are you 'testing' its slowness?08:39
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toloHi everyone08:40
netvistunif I put a ip address in the browser it jumps to that address but if it has to look it up then it takes from 10 - 20 sek for each domain.08:40
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netvistunI tried stadic network configuartion so it's not the dhcp08:41
Dr_Willisping www.google.com    is slow? vs.. ping the.ip.of.google.com    08:42
trukulohave you tried with different DNS Servers?08:43
netvistunping works fine and everyting else but the browser08:43
Dr_Willisso Ping is fast.. but the browsers dns looking up is slow?08:44
Dr_Willisand ONLY the browsers looking up?08:44
netvistunepiphany and firefox08:46
Dr_Willisbut browsers = slow to lookup www.google.com, while ping www.google.com is fast?08:46
inklingxand a "dig google.com" ?08:48
netvistungoogle.com is slow but is fine08:48
netvistundig is fast08:48
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Dr_Willisalmost sounds like a browser/proxy issue.08:49
inklingxsome people on other sitro's have the smae problem, most of the time it is a problem with ipv608:50
Dr_Willisahh - i never use ipv608:51
Mithrandirmaswan: ping?08:51
inklingxyou could try alias net-pf-10 off in /etc/modprobe.conf08:52
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netvistunI disabled ipv6 it didn't change. And then I was messing with some stuff then I reanabled it and it worked.08:53
maswanMithrandir: pong08:53
maswanMithrandir: I verified the disk with badblocks -w, no problems at all08:53
Mithrandirmaswan: what is the problem?08:53
maswanMithrandir: I can't create filesystems. Syslog says lots of stuff regarding mptbase getting dma timeouts and so on with the occasional "page lost due to write fail" or similar in .err08:54
Mithrandirmaswan: what kind of controller?08:55
maswanMithrandir: lspci on ravel? :)08:55
maswanMithrandir: mptfusion08:55
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|trey|Hey, any peticular reason why the newest e-d-s wasn't the remove evolution and evolution-exchange?08:55
Mithrandirmaswan: hm, weird.. try mkfs-ing beforehand?08:56
|trey|I just woke up  :/08:56
lemonlysol|trey|:Yeah, they are working on it.  They say try again in a while.  Just rying to fix it.08:56
trukulo|trey|, it's broken, wait until is being fixed08:56
trukuloperhaps today08:56
maswanMithrandir: Well, it seems to be a generic "I can't write to disk" failure08:57
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lemonlysol|trey|: as long as you don't try to upgrade evolution-serv you are alright08:57
Mithrandirthat sucks.. have you tried building a normal on her and seeing if that works?08:57
hazmatits strange how many people are using ubuntu on a powerbook, considering how much is missing for basic functionality in the base system08:57
trukulo|trey|, remember this is a beta08:57
|trey|lemonlysol: apt-get dist-upgrade is like an automatic step when I see "kept back"  :(08:58
maswanMithrandir: Nope, not yet at least.08:58
|trey|trukulo: I would be bitching just as much if Sid was trying to steal packages too though  ;)08:58
seb128|trey|: the problem is that e-d-s an evolution need an update in the same time. The second needs the first to build, then it's built after ...08:58
Mithrandirmaswan: I'd try that and see if it's a normal kernel regression or a ubuntu error08:58
seb128so you have a delay before getting both in sync08:59
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maswanMithrandir: ACK, I'll look for time to do that soon then.08:59
|trey|seb128: this is kinda why Debian has "incoming", to delay some packages, it tends to fix such things most of the time  :)09:00
seb128|trey|: ah ah ah09:00
|trey|actually, everything is sent there... but yeah, its still delayed  :)09:00
Mithrandirmaswan: goodie; want me to compile a kernel you can just pop in?09:00
maswanMithrandir: yeah, I'd appriciate that09:00
seb128|trey|: and when you miss the run in Debian (and don't say it doesn't happen) you are stuck for a day09:01
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MyKq3do u know what packages i need for my webcam ( i have LG expresscam)09:01
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|trey|seb128: in 3 years of Debian... I've had that happen about a half a dozen times  :/09:02
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|trey|seb128: happens more though when you start playing with experimental  :(09:02
Kamionhazmat: what's missing for basic functionality?09:04
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tvon|x31heyyyy hazmat09:07
tvon|x31hazmat: Is PloneForge out in the wild?09:07
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netvistunI tried disabling and reenabling ipv6 but to no avail. Lynx is also slow.09:07
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jayeolalynx slow? naaaah09:07
tolosomeone using snaptic right no?09:08
tolosome problems with spped?09:08
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netvistunjust some kind of dns lookup problem09:10
hazmatKamion, the powermanagement doesn't seem to be working at all, additional items like gtkpbuttons and powerprefs.. re power. i'm wondering about usage of somethign like pmud..  my battery life is about an hour compared to 3.5 with osx and gentoo on the same machine09:10
hazmattvon, not yet.. need to update some of the plugins for upstream changes and integrate in the notification/events subsystem09:11
hazmattvon, target date is oct1509:11
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Kamionhazmat: we're already using pbbuttonsd which replaces pmud, if that isn't working for some reason a bug report would be appreciated09:12
stratkingherzi: thanks for the email, so did you have to do anything special to get it working?09:12
hazmatKamion, okay.. i'm trying to track it down now09:12
herzii just ran iwconfig and it seemed to work09:13
punkasshazmat: i am curious about power savings too, such as when i close the lid the system doesnt go into 'sleep/hibernate' mode09:13
hazmatKamion, the scripts seem to be in place.. not sure if the events are being recieved.. additionally sleep hasn't been working for me :-( ... there was a new kernel upgrade for ppc last nite which i need to reboot and check if it helps.. additionally having the orinco/airport wireless scanning stuff would be nice.09:13
stratkingyeah, its not picking up on any wireless connections when i run it09:13
herziyou might need to set the essid and the encryption key09:13
punkassim on a dell D600 laptop09:13
herziman iwconfig09:13
hazmatpunkass i've seen reports on the net that its suppoed to work out of the box, but its not for me.. big grain of salt, i used a daily cd from yesterday.09:13
punkasshmm well i am just using the first release...i had to use radeon tools to get the monitor to turn off when the lid was closed....but the machine stays up and running the whole time09:15
stratkingwhen i try specifying the essid for eth1 it says there is no such device09:16
punkassand the screensaver/lcd power off, seems to be random...some times it comes after 1min sometimes after 10, sometimes never09:16
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punkassdoes ubuntu have resolvconf package preinstalled?09:18
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seb128|trey|: just upgrade and dist-upgrade, you get no problem09:21
inklingxyeah! new evolution package is available :)09:22
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Kamionpunkass: it's not on the CD, so no09:24
hazmatsweet.. got sleep working.. 09:25
punkasssorry i dont have ubuntu in front of me..so i couldnt look09:26
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holger_Hello, does someone know how to get a compaq nx9005 laptop to boot with apm. I had to disable acpi for booting.09:35
mdzholger_: add apm to /etc/modules09:36
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holger_mdz: thanks I'll try09:38
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punkassi had to do  nolapic   for my dell D60009:38
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punkassbut that was to get acpi to work properly09:38
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mdzpunkass: nolapic is automatically enabled on some Dell laptops already09:42
mdzpunkass: if you file a bug with dmidecode output, we can add yours to the list09:42
iljahi all09:43
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iljai'm wondering about something09:43
punkassmdz: ok..will do09:43
iljawhat file(s) do I edit to have some kernel modules insmodded at boot time?09:43
tsengKamion: hm it was .7 last i looked (ipw)09:44
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holger_apm in /etc/modules failed while booting. If I try modprobe apm I get; no such device. Without ACPI=off for booting the system stopps at uncompressing the kernel. This is a compaq nx9005 and it seems that there is nothing in the BIOS to change. With fedora I got APM working after compiling a kernel with apm-support.09:51
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mxpxpodare you guys going to put netapplet into universe?09:52
inklingxilja: /etc/modules09:52
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wu_minghi, how do i change my splash picture?09:53
JulHerwu_ming: http://art.gnome.org/faq.php#809:54
ilja@inklingx: thanks. I'm not used to kernel 2.6 distros I guess.. 09:55
iljaI'll have a go at it09:55
wu_mingthanks julher09:55
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longsleephow do i install deb packages from debian unstable into my ubuntu .. is that a good idea btw?09:57
cybrjackle|lappynot considered a good idea09:58
cybrjackle|lappyyou could pull them down and use dpkg -i09:58
cybrjackle|lappyor pull the source file down and rebuild it09:58
longsleepcybrjackle|lappy: ok .. so i shouldnt add debian unstable to by apt sources09:59
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cybrjackle|lappyi wouldn't and i don't believe the devels recommend it either09:59
stevedeoAnyone know how to turn off that bloody single-quote-opens-the-find-dialog "feature"?09:59
cybrjackle|lappyto much over lapping can occure09:59
longsleepcybrjackle|lappy: i see .. so i will try to only get one package10:00
jayeolai've just installed ubuntu onto a box, when i rebooted the system, it went straight to an existing distro10:00
jayeolahow can i edit gru.conf to include ubuntu?10:01
wu_mingthink its menu.lst at /boot/grub10:01
mdzlongsleep: essentially everything in debian unstable is available in universe10:02
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mdzlongsleep: you should use universe instead10:02
longsleepmdz: mhm i have universe in my apt sources .. but it does not find "digikam"10:02
Kamiontseng: relatively recent change10:03
beezlylongsleep: KDE isn't in warthog :(10:03
tsengKamion: neat.10:03
longsleepbeezly: right .. but digikam is neat 10:03
mdzlongsleep: it looks like it failed to build from source10:03
Kamiontseng: (as in, Monday)10:04
mdzlamont: ping?10:04
dafKamion: Kinnison just called me -- apparently, inspiration has struck regarding grub-install and XFS10:04
dafKamion: can you call him?10:04
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sivanghowdy all10:06
sivangCan someone tell me what's going with ubuntu trying to fsck my fat32 partition on boot? 10:06
sivangI just can't boot it10:06
theantixsivang, check the faq on the wiki... you have to edit your fstab a little bit10:07
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stratkingherzi: ya mind if i ask ya one other question10:10
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|trey|stratking: just ask...10:11
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stratkingwell i've been having a problem w/ my orinoco card in my laptop not being picked up10:12
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stratkingand he asked earlier if i had any other pcmcia cards i tried to use but i said no10:12
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|trey|stratking: you know the module you need for that?10:13
stratkingbut now that i think about it, i did try to connect me firewire cd-r but it didn't work either...10:13
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stratkingi've never had that burner work so i didn't think anything about it10:13
stratkingbut i was wondering now if it could be something w/ my pcmcia stuff instead of the card10:13
stratkingtrey: i think the module is orinoco_cs10:13
stratkingbut it also loads the hermes module10:14
stratkingso im not sure10:14
|trey|stratking: ahh... need to know the modules... search google for 'device linux' and put those in /etc/modules10:14
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theantixI got an Ubuntu review posted on the front page of kuro5hin.org, fwiw10:15
stratkingtrey: enhanced NBD?10:16
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jayeolastratking: have u ever git the orinoco driver working ok under linux?10:19
stratkingno, actually i just got the card a few days ago10:19
stratkingits my first attempt at wireless under linux10:20
jayeolastratking: good luck10:20
jayeolahave u got a w/less n/work at home? or ar u w/driving?10:20
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stratk1ngsorry about that, got disconnected somehow10:23
stratkingi can manually load the orinoco_cs module but then dont know what to do10:24
stratkingif i run cardinfo it tells me its an unsupported card10:24
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mdzstratk1ng: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=143810:29
mdzstratk1ng: does the new version of the driver include support for your card?10:29
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stratk1ngi probably sound like an idiot but ive never really used bugzilla before...10:31
stratk1ngshould i just grab that one and from the link and see what happens?10:31
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mdzstratk1ng: I suggest reading the release notes and/or changelog for the driver, and see if it is likely to help10:33
jayeolastratk1ng: hold on a sec. i'll give u a few urls. i'm trying to get orinoco to work myself10:34
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jayeolaare u root at the mo? co u know how to use a terminal?10:34
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beezlyanyone have problems with gpilotd not synchronising evo contacts properly?10:37
beezlyI have changed a record in evo and I when syncing I get...10:37
beezlyeaddrconduit-Message: iterating over 1 records10:37
beezlyeaddrconduit-Message: Syncable10:37
beezly(gpilotd:15619): gpilotd-WARNING **: Synchronization failed!10:37
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stratk1ngjayeola: yeah sure, send 'em over when ya find them10:38
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jayeolastratk1ng: i'm in the process of writing my own howto. most of the ones i've seen are v technical10:39
stratk1nghave you had any luck getting yours to work yet?10:39
jayeolait -does- work but not in monito mode, which is what i want10:40
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jayeolafirst url:- http://www.coofercat.com/stuff/linux/orinoco.html10:40
jayeolause that to identify yr card.10:40
jayeolasomething like :- cardcrl ident10:41
lupus_are there plans to upgrade to the new xchat10:41
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stratkingmy damn eth. cable keeps popping out :(10:42
jayeolafirst url:- http://www.coofercat.com/stuff/linux/orinoco.html10:42
theantixlupus_, you can compile the debian experimental deb-src packages and run them on Ubuntu, if you are ambitious10:43
jayeolahmm, finished 1st stage of installing ubuntu. told to take out the cd and reboot10:45
jayeolait does reboot but straight back to my original distro....10:45
jayeola....need to edit /etc/grub.conf but not sure how....10:45
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jayeolai've looked at the wiki, not much help there10:46
lupus_on my system xfs and jfs etc modules are loaded 10:48
lupus_is this normal?10:48
lupus_since I don't use those FS10:48
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oscar_hhi, anyone using jabber?10:49
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UziMonkeyoscar_h: I'm sure _someone_ is.. ;)10:49
oscar_hand, someone who knows about server applications?10:49
UziMonkeyoscar_h: how about just asking your question?  If no one can help you, the worst thing that will happen is it will go unanswered.10:50
mdzyou'll usually get more responses by simply asking your question, rather than asking to ask10:50
oscar_hi would like t know if i can transfer my account from one server to another?10:50
UziMonkeywouldn't that be best asked in #jabber?10:50
oscar_hwell, there's an extraodernary activity in that channel10:51
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oscar_hsorry, found the answer myself..10:52
lupus_can someone do lsmod and tell me if xfs jfs reiserfs fat etc is in his list (all of them)10:53
Kamionlupus_: if you installed from the preview release, those modules would be present10:53
Kamionlupus_: if you installed from Sounder CD 9, they shouldn't be10:53
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lupus_Sounder CD 9 ?10:54
punkasslaptop at work...connects to wireless router..get on web etc fine, go home, connect to home wireless network, get connection, but cannot access web,  discover that dns settings are wrong10:54
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punkasswhats the easy way to make sure dns settings are updated when connecting to a wireless network?10:55
punkassi was going to write a small script, but i figured there must be something that i am just missing10:55
|trey|Kamion: how long ago was sounder 9? I reinstalled a few days ago, seemed to get newer packages etc, wondering if I might be technically using Sounder 910:56
UziMonkeypunkass_: check /etc/resolv.conf10:56
UziMonkeypunkass: I mean you ;)  Damn, there's two of you10:56
punkassyes i know...i want that file to be updated automatically10:56
punkasshehe...left xchat on at home :)10:56
UziMonkeypunkass: there's a bug that prevents resolv.conf from being updated if the DHCP server doesn't pass both a DNS server and domain name10:57
|trey|punkass_: easiest way... just put an RNS in resolv.conf  :)10:57
punkasswhich is?10:57
|trey|That way it always works..10:57
UziMonkeythere's a quick fix for the script10:57
|trey|punkass_: Root Name Server... the primary DNS's that hold the internet together10:57
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UziMonkey(don't kick me if this fscks something else up too)10:58
UziMonkeypunkass: in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-script, change the -a in line 10 to an -o10:58
UziMonkeypunkass: that _should_ fix your problem..  I've yet to move this machine to test it10:58
|trey|punkass_: you know the theory behind forwarding correct? well, when things take forever to load, you usually end up getting the info from a RNS... usually your ISP tries to keep current, but forwards requests if it doesn't know about it...10:59
|trey|punkass_: umm, do what UziMonkey said first... but yeah... I usually at least have an RNS in mine  :/11:00
neighborleenice job ubuntu..after fresh install I have sound and a actually very soothing 'welcome' sound to the desktop...very nice ;-)11:00
punkassUziMonkey: thanks11:01
punkass|trey|: yeah i will...where do i find a list of RNSs?11:01
|trey|neighborlee: my first install didn't have all that... xresprobe didn't even work right  :(11:01
morteohis it possible to turn off the fade when i click the log out button?11:01
|trey|punkass: google knows all and I'm too lazy right now  :)11:01
punkassah of course..google...thanks11:02
neighborlee|trey|, hmm dunno..only thing different I did this time was to do the 'internet update' section which before wasn't working so they must have fixed that..after lengthy process I had a working desktop with even sound...11:02
lupus_how can I get a list with the packages and select the one's I want to install (like in the install of debian 2.2)11:02
lupus_sorry it's been a long time since I have been using deb11:03
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|trey|lupus_: umm, aptitude or synaptic?11:03
|trey|console or gui respectively...11:04
UziMonkeyum..  this is interesting11:04
UziMonkey/usr/share/dict/words links to /etc/dictionaries-common/words, which doesn't exist11:04
punkassneighborlee: sound on boot up?  are u using a newer release?11:04
UziMonkeymy sound worked fine, except for the mixer levels..11:05
|trey|lupus_: aptitude replaces dselect in sarge..11:05
ishThere is no floppy/ftp install is there?11:06
|trey|ish: I haven't seen one  :(11:06
jayeolaish: yes there is. have a look at the docs on the cd. i'm reading them right now11:06
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jayeolai think that you have to pass parameters to the installer at boot time though....11:07
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jayeolagah! i need to edit /etc/grub.conf to include ubuntu. i already have a linux distro but U- won't boot11:08
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cybrjackle|lappyanyone know if reiser4 can reduce/resize lvm2 now?11:09
neighborleeI just changed ( via chown) a DIR so I can extract tarballs ( /usr/local/games/) but its still refusing me..and I think thats wude!11:09
neighborleethe chown command usually works ;-)11:09
lupus_does aptitude use /etc/apt/sources.list ?11:09
Kinnisonneighborlee: you may need to extract the tarball using 'sudo tar' rather than 'tar' since a normal user can't write to /usr/local/games11:09
neighborleeKinnison, well11:10
neighborleeKinnison, im using fileroller which is hooked into mozillla11:10
Kinnisonneighborlee: aah. Hmm11:10
neighborleeKinnison, lemme try prefs in mozilla11:10
Kinnisonneighborlee: Make a directory called 'Games' in your homespace ?11:10
Kinnisonneighborlee: and extract it to there?11:10
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neighborleeKinnison, well ..I like to  use /usr/local in case I add users 11:11
Kinnisonneighborlee: You could extract it into your homespace to begin with; then use 'sudo mv' to move the install into /usr/local/games ?11:11
neighborleerad..what a surprise to see firefox 1.0 preview !! in unbuntu..sweet11:11
neighborleeKinnison, yes I could..i'm going to try sudo tar first11:12
Kinnisonneighborlee: *nod*11:12
Kinnisonneighborlee: How's it going?11:14
neighborleeI guess fileroller isn't linked in mozilla..must be mime types11:14
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spivWoah.  kacpid is eating all my cpu.11:16
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diemanlamont: poke11:17
makeiobuenas, alguien me puede decir alguna manera para saber si en mi kernel tengo soporte para el framebuffer, no hay manera de que se me va la tty* en letras de esas "txulas", pequeas, tengo en /etc/modules vesafb i en GRUB puesto la opcion de vga="791"que mefalta?11:18
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neighborleeKinnison, I just did a chmod on it and voila LOL11:22
neighborleei WILL save where I want11:22
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Se7hError trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second.11:27
Se7him getting this error11:27
Se7htrying to burn a cd11:27
Kinnisonis /dev/hda your cd-writer ?11:27
theantixyour cd drive isn't /dev/hda is it?11:27
mdzSe7h: CD-R or CD-RW?11:28
Se7hthe cd ?11:28
UziMonkeyare you sure hda is your burner?  most people don't set it up that way..11:28
Se7hof course not11:28
Kinnisonwhat is the commandline you are using to write the CD ?11:29
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jayeolahda for a cd burner....? that's odd11:29
UziMonkeyjayeola: but certainly possible11:30
Se7husing x cd roast11:30
Se7hif it pressists11:30
Se7him adding it manualy11:30
Se7hvery odd indeed11:31
Se7hdevice not found11:32
UziMonkeySe7h: where is your burner?  secondary master?11:32
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Se7hprimary slave11:32
Se7hprimary -  HDD -> burner11:32
UziMonkeyit should be /dev/hdb then11:32
Se7hsecondary - HDD -> dvd11:33
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Se7hscsidev: 'ATAPI:0,1,0'11:33
Se7hdevname: 'ATAPI'11:33
Se7hscsibus: 0 target: 1 lun: 011:33
Se7hError trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second.11:33
jayeolado u have cdrecord?11:33
Se7hlet me check11:33
jayeolaif u did try cd record --scanbus11:33
jayeolaor even read the output from dmseg11:34
Se7hseth@devil ~ $ cdrecord11:34
Se7hcdrecord: No tracks specified. Need at least one.11:34
Se7hi do11:34
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UziMonkeySe7h: cdrecord -scanbus11:34
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Se7hcdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI dr iver.11:35
joeyhjust a quick note that ubuntu's default behavior of using the whole disk for one root partition fails on systems like mine, that make grub fail to boot sometimes if the /boot partition is too large11:35
UziMonkeyhmm..  my bro had this same problem11:35
joeyhI really should track this annoyance down, but in the meantime you might consider giving an easier option for a small /boot11:35
|trey|Se7h: modprobe ide-cd11:35
jayeolayeah, i'm having problems dual booting11:35
joeyhin stock d-i I use the "multiuser system" layout to avoid it11:35
Se7h|trey| continues11:36
Se7hno scsi device11:36
|trey|joeyh: that works enless you have a fairly small hd...11:36
|trey|joeyh: multiuser on my 40 gig hd for instance gives / about 150mb... a little small  ;)11:37
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Se7hdoes anyone can help more on this?11:38
|trey|joeyh: you who I think you are?  :)11:38
Se7hcdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.11:38
KinnisonSe7h: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdb -v -data flibble.iso11:38
|trey|Se7h: ide-cd is supposed to make it look at /dev/hdc (depending on where your cd is physically)11:39
Se7hbut i would like to burn it with x cd11:39
jayeolaok that means that u don't have cdrecord -or- u do but you are not root -or- it is not in yr path11:39
|trey|joeyh: well, thank you for bringing us d-i, very nice  :)11:39
Se7hnot even with sudo11:40
|trey|SUCH an improvement over bf  :)11:40
jayeolaSe7h: try 'man cdrecord' or 'locate cdrecord'11:41
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Se7hit does exists11:44
jayeolaSe7h: try 'whereis cdrecord'11:44
Se7hcdrecord: /usr/bin/cdrecord.mmap /usr/bin/cdrecord /usr/bin/cdrecord.shm /etc/cdrecord /usr/share/man/man1/cdrecord.1.gz11:45
jayeolaSe7h: now u need to change yr path11:45
neighborleethis is a bit OT but i'm not experiencing it on my other distros so i'd like help if anyone knows..ie: ( getting this compile error from a needed lib) >> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check ???11:45
joeyhhey hey, I got lucky and grub actually booted this time11:45
joeyhI think it depends on where the initrd and kernel happen to fall on the large FS11:45
jayeola.... i use the vi editor but whatever one u use change this file '/root/.bashrc11:46
Se7hjayeola how so ?11:46
|trey|joeyh: have a RC1 netinst CD... only problems I have ran into are not paying attention to the size of / with multiuser, and trying to install with XFS had a few hiccups  :(11:46
jayeolaand add this line PATH=$PATH:/sbin/usr/sbin11:46
joeyhmultiuser / on 40 gb works for me, even if I do a desktop task install11:46
joeyhiirc we adjusted the root size a bit post rc111:47
jayeola|trey|: are u dual/multi booting?11:47
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joeyhall XFS issues are solved.11:47
|trey|joeyh: it worked, but after about a week, it started complaining that / was full  :(11:47
|trey|joeyh: that is good to hear though  :)11:47
joeyhhmm, I told ubuntu to use the net and now it's trying to do a huge download11:47
jayeolaSe7h: i assume that u are using a terminal and that u are root11:47
Se7hhm hmm11:48
richnrockvilleEven a die hard windows xp person can install and use this. What a free os..11:48
Se7hexport does the work11:48
|trey|jayeola: nope... no other OS's here right now  :/11:48
jayeolaSe7h: that is how u change yr path. edit /root/.bashrc like i said above11:48
|trey|joeyh: working for canonical, or just interested?  :)11:48
Se7hu mean PATH11:48
Se7hdidn't catch it11:49
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joeyhoh, just wanted to take a look at the final pre-release cut11:49
joeyhI try all the d-i using distros, even the chinese ones :-)11:49
elimgrr why does qt take so long to compile its only 16 mb yet its been compiling for about 1 hout and a 1/211:49
|trey|joeyh: :)11:49
jayeolaPATH= $PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin11:49
|trey|joeyh: what do you think of the options taken out? must be strange for you  :)11:49
jayeolaso that all of the commands and apps will be available to u11:49
joeyhI enjoy the lack of a root password question.11:50
joeyhmy installs at home typically have less questions than this though :-)11:50
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Se7hcdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.11:50
|trey|joeyh: that kinda scared me actually... I thought I hit enter too many times or something  :(11:50
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Se7hwell...it's still there11:50
jayeolaSe7h: have u changed yr path, like i said?11:51
theantixjoeyh, what questions does d-i take out that ubuntu asks?11:51
joeyhnone, but _I_ take _all_ of them out :-)11:51
|trey|joeyh: ahh... I want an image that doesn't ask anything... that would rule  :)11:51
Se7hjayeola yes11:51
jayeolai assume that nobody is dual/multi booting here?11:51
bollocks_i am11:51
jayeolaSe7h: ok you need to 'source /root/.bashrc'11:52
|trey|theantix: joeyh = d-i primary developer  ;)   (just incase you didn't catch that yet  ;) )11:52
jayeolabollocks_: nice name :/11:52
bollocks_thanks, been reading Hellblazer ;)11:52
Se7hseth@devil ~ $ source /root/.bashrc11:52
Se7his this correct ?11:52
theantixtrey, I did know that but thanks =)11:53
|trey|joeyh: how easy is it to customize d-i with your own settings etc? need to actually understand the code, orrr?11:53
jayeolaheh ok ' bollocks_ ' u dual booting ok?11:53
joeyhit's fairly easy to preseed the answers to lots of stuff11:53
bollocks_yup, this is only my second linux attempt11:53
jayeolaSe7h: yes that's good now try 'cdrecord --scanbus'11:53
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jayeolabollocks_: hmm, did ya get ubuntu when the box rebooted? i never did, 2nd attempt now11:54
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joeyhiirc some of what's documented there is not yet merged into ubuntu11:54
Se7hcdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.11:54
|trey|joeyh: ahh, thank you very much  :)11:55
bollocks_jayeola, yes i got it as default on grub, albeit with a twist - hafta hit ESC to boot anything else11:55
jayeolaSe7h: try 'lsmod'11:55
|trey|joeyh: prolly wouldn't try it with a ubunty anyways  :)11:55
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jayeolaask if u can paste the output.11:55
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|trey|jayeola: take him to #flood if he has to flood....11:56
PakalHi, I can hear music with XMMS using alsa but not with Rhythmbox11:56
Pakalneed I something else?11:56
|trey|Pakal: apt-get install gstreamer0.8-alsa11:56
jayeolayeah Se7h , paste the results of 'lsmod' on the channel #flood11:56
Se7hok, what do i look for?11:56
Pakal|trey|: I already have the package11:57
|trey|Pakal: hmm... lsof /dev/dsp ... maybe its just in use already  :/11:58
jayeolabollocks_: hmmm, u hit esc to see all of yr distros or just to start something that is not yr default?11:58
jayeolaSe7h , paste the results of 'lsmod' on the channel #flood11:58
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mdzjoeyh: the xfs_freeze issue is solved?  #243835 is still open11:58
|trey|jayeola: via Ubuntu's grub, yes11:58
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MyKq3when will ubuntu start to use Xorg?11:58
comfreyhey all,11:58
|trey|MyKq3: in just over 6 months11:58
jayeolasorry |trey|, what was that?11:59
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|trey|jayeola: via Ubuntu's grub, yes11:59
|trey|jayeola: mainstream grub doesn't make you hit esc  :/11:59
jayeolai'm at the 'install grub loader' stage. i already have that installed via my default distro11:59
jayeolanot sure what 2 do...11:59

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