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RichNRockvilleThanks, I now can try to figure out how to get into my laptop's XF86.. file.. tks all..12:02
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funkytwighi, just added a CDROM and gnome dies after a gew seconds ;(;12:06
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Atticushello, im having problems with my UT2004 install, i get the load scren then nothing happens... anyone know whats up?12:06
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geeklegacyhi.12:07
Gonnemanhi12:07
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Atticusnojo: hey hows it going12:07
geeklegacycan you help me with a quick question?12:07
nojooh hey Atticus did you work your problem out12:07
Atticusnojo: yea i think its ok, but i have a new problem now regarding UT2004 linux haha12:08
nojoaha12:08
nojowhat was the problem kernel driver issue?12:08
Atticusi have installed it, but when i go to run it.. the game load picture comes up then afer like 30 seconds it just goes away and nothing loads12:08
nojohehe12:09
nojoI'm trying to get used to this sudo stuff12:09
geeklegacyI'm new to ubuntu - I can't seem to install the nvidia nforce and video drivers.... do I have to download a specific version for ubuntu?12:09
GonnemanI'm trying to setup up a Linux installation disk for our Laptops at university12:09
nojolike when I enter my firewal lscript and it goes to access iptable commands it deinies me access..any suggestions for runnign this with sudo12:09
Gonnemanit's supposed to be as userfrendly as possible12:09
Atticusgeeklegacy: why do you need to install new nvidia drivers12:10
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Gonnemanso I was hoping to set up an iso or something plus ad something for setting password and generationg accounts12:10
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Gonnemanany suggestions on how to do that?12:10
Gonnemanas in links to howtos12:11
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geeklegacyAtticus: becuase mine dont display correctly - which always happens until I install the latest drivers.12:11
Atticusgeeklegacy: did you try searching synaptic's browser12:11
geeklegacyAtticus: whats that?12:11
geeklegacyAtticus: i'm an avid slackware user, so ubuntu is throwing rocks at my forehead.12:12
Atticusgo to Computer>system config> synaptic12:12
geeklegacyAtticus: thanks, i'll give it a whirl.12:12
Atticusgeeklegacy once in the browser, click search 12:12
Atticusthen just type nvidia or whatever12:13
geeklegacyAtticus: ok.12:13
geeklegacyAtticus: i only get a few packages - but none of them are the nvidia drivers...12:14
Atticusgeeklegacy: hmm, im an ati user myself, perhaps someone else knows more about nvidia's drivers12:14
geeklegacyAtticus: ok thank's for your help.12:14
Atticusgeeklegacy did you download drivers from nvidias site12:15
geeklegacyAtticus: yes12:16
geeklegacyAtticus: but they are .run files - i've always used them before and never had a problem.12:16
Atticusok try this...12:16
geeklegacyAtticus: but now they give me errors about source directory tree.12:16
cubenessi just want gnome to load again12:16
geeklegacycubeness: lol12:17
Atticustype chmod +x NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6111-pkg1.run to make the file executable12:17
Atticusthen type sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6111-pkg1.run 12:17
geeklegacyAtticus: the file runs, it just doesn't find the source directory tree.12:17
Atticusgeeklegacy: hmm12:18
geeklegacyAtticus: one second12:18
geeklegacyAtticus: i think I may have found something.12:18
Atticuswhats that?12:18
geeklegacyAtticus: reading some posts on a webite - 1 sec.12:20
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Atticusgeeklegacy: ok12:20
TelepHi guys, I'm intending to install Apache for purely local testing purposes, so I'm wondering what would be the easiest way to block all incoming outside traffic? Do I really need to setup a firewall?12:21
Atticusgeeklegacy: type sudo sh /home/dcarpenter/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6111-pkg1.run12:22
thomjust tell apache to listen on localhost only12:22
thomListen 127.0.0.112:22
Telepthom: ah, ok12:22
thomListen 127.0.0.1:80 12:22
Telepthanks12:22
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thomrather 12:22
thom(sorry, over-eager enter key)12:22
Telep:)12:22
Telepa common habit :)12:23
geeklegacyAtticus: hehehe - the synaptic browser worked.12:23
AtticusGeeklegacy: i just downloaded the installer and typed this and it worked sudo sh /home/<usernamehere>/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6111-pkg1.run12:23
geeklegacyits just naming is different under this - so i didnt realize the package.12:23
Atticusgeeklegacy: there ya go :D12:23
geeklegacyyes Atticus: the installer works - it just had errors trying to install12:23
geeklegacy:)12:23
geeklegacyok let me restart X12:23
Atticusok awesome glad you got it worked out12:23
Atticusgood luck12:23
geeklegacylets see if it worked12:23
geeklegacylol12:23
geeklegacybrb12:24
Atticusk12:24
ggiAtticus: Couldn't he just have used the NVIDIA packages in universe?12:24
Telepthom: one more question - do I just add that line to httpd.conf?12:24
Atticusggi: he got it worked out i believe, he found the nvidia drivers in synaptic12:25
Atticusggi: im not sure if he used the universe package or not12:25
nojobrb12:25
ggiAtticus: Meh. I forget how to install them anyway.12:26
Atticusggi: im no pro either, this is my first day using linux lol12:26
ggiAtticus: You seem to be doing pretty well for your first day. I just haven't installed the drivers on Debian recently.12:27
Atticusggi: ive been logged into this channel all day asking questions and probably annoying the heck out of ppl :D12:28
thomTelep: /etc/apache2/ports.conf12:28
thomit's what it's there for :-012:28
Telepok :)12:29
Telepthom: I'm not really familiar with setting up apache - never really had the need to :)12:30
Atticusdo any of you have UT2004 installed with ubuntu?12:30
Telepthe only reason I need it is to be able to test php scripts locally :)12:30
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diemanwith the right $*(#)$#*()@! usb-discover information.12:32
cubenessphp is wrong12:32
Telepo'boy... I love language wars12:33
Telep(not)12:33
thomTelep: #apache on this network is a really good support resource if you need in depth help with apache at any point12:33
ggiAtticus: Do you get any error messages when UT2004 fails?12:33
Telepthom: ok, thanks for your help :)12:33
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Atticusggi: i click the launcher i made for UT2004, and the UT2004 screen comes up like normal and acts like the game is loading, then it just stops with no error message12:37
Atticusggi: when i installed i chose base install, could this be the problem?12:37
ggiAtticus: Try running ut2004 in a terminal to see if it gives any output when it fails.12:38
Atticusok   just type sh <directory> to run it?12:38
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ggiAtticus: I think it could be just 'ut2004', from what I remember of UT2003.12:40
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Atticusggi: this is the out put  12:41
Atticusggi: Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".12:41
AtticusWARNING: ALC_EXT_capture is subject to change!12:41
AtticusCouldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual12:42
ggiAtticus: Do you have the fglrx drivers installed? (the proprietary ATI ones)12:42
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Atticusggi: no, i have default ubuntu ati drivers12:43
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ggiAtticus: What card do you have?12:43
Atticusggi: whatever ubuntu comes with is what i have12:43
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Atticusggi: ati 9800xt12:43
ggiAtticus: Nice. Well, Ubuntu doesn't include the drivers you need (yet, I believe they plan to). The drivers you're using only support Radeons up to the 9200 just now.12:45
Atticusso i will be unable to play for now?12:46
ggiNo, not if you install the drivers yourself.12:46
Atticusggi: ok how can i do this?12:47
ggiAtticus: There are fglrx packages in restricted, it seems. Try apt-get installing 'fglrx-driver'.12:48
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Atticusggi: can i download the driver from ati?12:49
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ggiAtticus: Yeah, I guess. They have released recently so the version in the archive may be a bit older than the ones from ATI.12:50
MyKq3how can i install codecs for UbuntuLinux? 12:50
MyKq3i have tryed  apt-get install win32-codec but it tells me that there is no sach package12:50
ggiAtticus: http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/linux/radeon-linux.html?type=linux&prodType=graphic&prod=productsLINUXdriver&submit.x=9&submit.y=10&submit=GO%2112:50
Atticusggi: the file from ATI is .rpm... how do i install this?12:51
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axe9dotcomI did something stupid....12:51
ggiAtticus: Do 'sudo alien --to-deb fglrx-<whatever>'.12:52
Atticusggi: hold now12:52
Atticusggi: i am a newbie remember lol12:52
axe9dotcom~_~12:52
ggiAtticus?12:52
axe9dotcomI did the remove bar thing to the area by the clock, and it's gone12:53
Atticusggi: can u explain what this will do, so i learn something :D12:53
ggiWhoops, sorry. Typo.12:53
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crimsunMyKq3: do you have totem-xine installed?12:53
axe9dotcomnot the bar12:53
MyKq3hum lemme check12:53
ggiAtticus: It converts the .rpm to a .deb.12:53
axe9dotcombut where stuff like Gaim, and music player go when you close the main window12:53
Atticusok so id type "sudo alien --to-deb fglrx-4.3.0-3.14.1.i386.rpm"12:54
ggiAtticus: Yep. And you should end up with a .deb package in the same directory.12:54
datany new development on a cdless install (without pxe)12:54
Atticusggi: sweet ok that worked12:55
axe9dotcomAtticus, that your name? or is it from To Kill A Mockingbird12:55
MyKq3<crimsun>: no i don't have  totem-xine package ( when i m trying to c movies i have sound but no picture )12:55
MyKq3crimsun: should i installit?12:55
Atticusaxe9dotcom: atticus finch ;)12:55
hazmatanyone tried multisync on ubuntu?12:55
ggiAtticus: Now install it with 'dpkg -i fglrx-<stuff>.deb'12:55
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axe9dotcom:D12:55
Atticusggi: ok12:55
axe9dotcomlove that book12:56
axe9dotcomHow do I get the tray back?12:56
Atticusggi: i recieved a few errors12:57
ggiAtticus> 12:57
spivaxe9dotcom: did you remove the entire panel, or just the notification area?12:57
axe9dotcomuhm...12:57
axe9dotcomwhere stuff like Gaim and music player go12:57
Atticusggi: got an error processing12:57
ggiAtticus: Yes, I forgot to add the --force-override bit to that command.12:57
spivThe entire bar across the bottom of the screen, or just the part of that bar where the notifications go? :)12:57
Atticusggi: ok, where do i add that12:58
ggiAtticus: Sorry about that. 'dpkg -i --force-override fglrx-<things>.deb'12:58
axe9dotcomI guess where the notifications go12:58
spivOr, do you mean the window list?  Perhaps a screenshot would help?12:58
axe9dotcomand it was the top bar12:58
axe9dotcomuhm12:58
axe9dotcomone min12:58
axe9dotcomI might have one12:58
datso noone knows of a ubuntu cd-less install option besides pxe??12:59
Atticusggi: recieve "unknown force/refuse option `override'"12:59
Atticusrecieved*12:59
ggiAtticus: It's getting late, I'm sorry. --force-overwrite01:00
Atticusggi: haha no problem :)01:00
ggidat: Do you have no CD drive or is it just not bootable?01:00
axe9dotcomhttp://axe9.com/images/Screenshot.png01:01
datggi: i'm on an ibm x3101:01
datno cdrom drive01:01
Atticusggi: im not sure if it installed or not01:01
Atticusdpkg - warning, overriding problem because --force enabled:01:01
Atticus trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2', which is also in package xlibmesa-gl01:01
AtticusSetting up fglrx (4.3.0-4.14) ...01:01
axe9dotcomI deleted the part where the little Gaimicon is, in the upper righthand corner, next to the clock01:01
datggi: i really don't feel like going through the hassle of trying to setup pxe on my other box01:01
ggiAtticus: It probably did. Now cd to /lib/modules/fglrx/.01:02
spivAh, ok, I have my notifications on my bottom panel, hence my confusion :)01:02
Atticusggi: ok im there01:02
ggiAtticus: 'cd build_mod', if I remember correctly.01:03
spivaxe9dotcom: But the rest of the panel is still there?  If so, right click on an empty part of the panel, choose Add to Panel, and select Notification Area.01:03
Atticusggi: ok, done01:03
axe9dotcomThanks ^^01:04
ggiAtticus: Ok, try 'sudo sh make.sh'. It'll probably fail.01:04
axe9dotcomwtf? I just noticed that my sound is gone o_o01:04
Atticusggi: ok it failed i think01:04
axe9dotcomthere it is ^^01:05
datggi: any ideas?01:05
ggiAtticus: Now I'm kind of stumped. You'll need to install a kernel-headers package, but I don't know which one that is for Ubuntu. Anyone?01:05
ggidat: Sorry, I'm not aware of any other ways to do it yet. I'll look around a bit though.01:06
spivkernel packages on ubuntu are called linux-*, rather than kernel-*01:06
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datk.. well.. i'm ordering a gig flashdrive, that i'll probably be able to put to use with this01:07
ggispiv: Thank you.01:07
MyKq3okay i have installed the Totem-xwin pacage. still i can't c movies... ( now i c a blue screen with sound )01:07
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phr0stbyteMyKq3: Sounds like you need some codecs installed01:08
AtticusMykq3: download totem-xine01:08
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AtticusMyKq3: i had the same problem, and totem-xine fixed it... mplayer is also good but totem is good for newbies01:09
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ggiAtticus: apt-get install this: linux-headers-2.6.8.1-301:09
MyKq3i have dled and installed Totem-Xine no help there ,,, how do i find codecs for Totem google gives me notihngy for Ubuntu01:09
phr0stbyteI have just installed Ubuntu and I am loving it!!! (coming from a 6 year Mandrake user)01:10
Atticusggi: do i type that in console01:10
MyKq3i have no problem with mplayer its just that the apt-get don't find it :(01:10
Atticusggi: i got this message Reading Package Lists... Done01:10
AtticusBuilding Dependency Tree... Done01:10
AtticusE: Couldn't find package this:01:10
Atticuslol nvm01:11
Atticusim dumb01:11
ggiAtticus: Yeah, or install it through the synaptic interface.01:11
edward__hi, is the the place for technical support01:11
Atticusedward: sure is!01:11
edward__cool01:12
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edward__i having problems playing any sound, i just get /dev/dsp does not exist01:12
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edward__i have a soundbloaster live emu10k101:12
phr0stbyteHas any1 gotten a Wacom Graphire3 working here?01:13
Atticusggi: downloading now01:13
crimsunedward__: are the modules snd-pcm-oss and snd-mixer-oss loaded? Check the output of lsmod|grep snd01:13
neighborleeedward__, hmm do you get modules starting with 'snd-' for example when you do : lsmod ?01:13
Atticusggi: ok it is finished and installed01:14
neighborleeoops lol01:14
neighborleecrimsun, we're of the same mind apparantly <G>01:14
ggiAtticus: Try 'sudo sh make.sh' again.01:14
Atticuswhich directory was that in again01:15
edward__ubuntu:/usr/sbin# lsmod|grep snd01:15
edward__snd_emu10k1            80776  301:15
edward__snd_rawmidi            23232  1 snd_emu10k101:15
edward__snd_seq_device          7944  2 snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi01:15
edward__snd_ac97_codec         59268  1 snd_emu10k101:15
edward__snd_util_mem            4608  1 snd_emu10k101:15
edward__snd_hwdep               9120  1 snd_emu10k101:15
edward__snd_bt87x              13640  301:15
edward__snd_pcm_oss            48168  001:15
edward__snd_mixer_oss          16640  5 snd_pcm_oss01:15
edward__snd_pcm                85540  3 snd_emu10k1,snd_bt87x,snd_pcm_oss01:15
edward__snd_timer              23172  1 snd_pcm01:15
edward__snd                    50660  15 snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_ac97_codec,snd_util_mem,snd_hwdep,snd_bt87x,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer01:15
edward__snd_page_alloc         11144  3 snd_emu10k1,snd_bt87x,snd_pcm01:15
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edward__soundcore               9824  8 emu10k1,sound,snd,bttv01:15
ggiAtticus: /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/01:15
neighborlee;-)01:15
neighborleeedward__, ok01:15
Atticusggi: ok found it, ran it, and didnt work still01:15
Atticuskernel includes at /usr/src/linux/include not found or incomplete01:16
Atticusfile: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h01:16
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edward__i can run alsamixer and move the sliders up and down, so it must be detected and such, just doesn't work throught the gnome apps01:16
jono_hi all01:16
neighborleeedward__, you sure your speakers are on and plugged in 01:17
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MyKq3okay .... my bad it seems that Totem-Xine really fixed the video problem :))) thankz PPL01:17
phr0stbyteHas any1 gotten a Wacom Graphire3 working here?01:17
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edward__yep, i get /dev/dsp does not exist01:17
phr0stbyte(drawing tablet)01:17
neighborleeAtticus, heh01:17
ggiedward: I guess you could try 'sudo /etc/init.d/udev restart' at a terminal. It may have crashed.01:19
jono_I downloaded the kernel source for 2.6.8.1 from apt, patched a module and the module is in /lib/modules/2.6.8.1/ - when I try to insmod it, it says that there is a problem with a symbol in the module - how can I fix this?01:19
Atticusggi: i think linux hates me01:20
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neighborleeAtticus, hi again..wwwwaz up01:21
ggiggi: No, no, it loves us all. Albeit in a monolithic way, however that works. Uh, yeah, I'm stumped. Give me a few minutes.01:21
Atticusneighborlee, just trying to install new ati drivers so i can play UT2004 and it doesnt like my kernel i guess...01:21
ggiAtticus: Typos again.01:21
neighborleeAtticus, ahhh..your on your own on ati drivers..nvidia here although I hear ati drivers are getting better01:22
edward__seems to have got stuck on "Recreating device node..."01:22
neighborleeAtticus, well but i'm sure others here have ati so..;)<wink>01:22
edward__is it supposed to take a long time?01:22
Atticusneighborlee, ggi has been helpful01:23
neighborleegood01:23
Atticusggi: i think im going to head over the commons and get some food01:23
ggiAtticus: I'll have to restart X. I'll be back in a second.01:23
Atticusggi: if you think of anything i will be back in about 10-15 min01:24
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jono_I copied the config from /boot over to my kernel source and compiled, but no initrd image is produced - how do I fix this?01:24
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crimsunjono_: which kernel-package target did you use?01:24
jono_which source package crimsun?01:25
crimsunjono_: if you didn't use kernel-package, did you remember to run mkinitrd(8)?01:25
edward__it finished, but im still getting /dev/dsp does not exist01:25
jono_crimsun, I used kernel package to create the kernel, but I didnt run mkinitrd01:25
jono_do I need to run it?01:25
crimsunjono_: did you use the kernel-image target?01:26
jono_crimsun, huh?01:26
jono_I compiled the source with a make kpackage01:26
crimsunmake-kpkg kernel-image --initrd01:27
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jono_what is kernel-image?01:27
jono_as in vmlinuz-2.6.8.1?01:27
crimsunit's a target you pass to kernel-package01:28
goatboy_edward__: you have both snd_bt87x (tv tuner) and snd_emu10k1 both loaded, it's possible the tv tuner took /dev/dsp.01:28
jono_crimsun, what target?01:28
goatboy_edward__: do you have a /dev/dsp1?01:28
crimsunjono_: when you run make-pkpg, you pass it a target01:28
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crimsunjono_: the man page for make-kpkg tells you.01:29
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jono_ok cheers01:29
crimsunjono_: kernel-image is the target to generate the compressed kernel (vmlinuz) and any modules.01:29
edward__yes i do01:29
crimsunjono_: it will also generate an initrd if you pass it --initrd01:29
edward__and the emu10k1 is device 1 in alsamixer01:29
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jono_crimsun, make-kpkg cleans the source before a compile each time - how can I stop it doing that01:31
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mdzjono_: man kernel-pkg.conf01:32
cubenessso nobody knows what the 'gnome hangs on splash screen' issue is about after updating via synaptic?01:32
mdzcubeness: apart from the open bug reports?01:32
jono_if I compile a code from this source - can I just use one of the modules with my existing kernel image?01:32
mdzjono_: only if you're building with the same config and the same version (2.6.8.1-3-686, for example)01:33
mdzhm, make that closed bug reports01:33
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mdzcubeness: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=172501:33
jono_I am running kernel Linux apple 2.6.8.1-3-powerpc and I got the source package called linux-source-2.6.8.1.bz2 via apt - are they the same packages?01:34
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burner_anyone around that can help with a usb flash drive issue?01:36
xcasexhm how do i turn off the firewall ?01:37
cubenessmdz, ah.. i see.. found something about killing bonobo-activation.. seems to let me login. 01:37
mdzcubeness: the bug is fixed now, but you may have only received the fix with that upgrade you just ran01:37
xcasexcubeness, holy crap, you're alive.01:38
cubenesshehe, no way!01:38
xcasexcubeness, pppffft dude, you dissappeared off of icq a long time ago :01:38
xcasex:p01:38
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cubenesshehe01:39
neighborleegrrrr..any programmers around for which I could PM them and try to discover why my compile attempt is borking ? ( its not specifically ubuntu realted but the error is only happening IN ubuntu) ??01:41
edward__so how can i make my emu10k1 the /dev/dsp device instead of the bttv?01:42
neighborleeedward__, rmmod bttvmodule < should fix it01:43
neighborleesupposedly..01:43
edward__ERROR: Module bttvmodule does not exist in /proc/modules01:44
cubenessxcasex, so whats new?01:44
xcasexcubeness, nothing much, left beos lala land a long time ago, and am now heavily playing around with wifi & writing :D01:45
edward__ubuntu:/home/edward# rmmod snd_bt87x01:46
edward__ERROR: Module snd_bt87x is in use01:46
WW_Anybody know the lightest laptop that is known to run Ubuntu?01:48
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cubenessxcasex, cool.. i mainly been coding. keeping busy01:49
xcasexcubeness, i thought you would, i mean the python bug bit you hard :D01:50
cubenessxcasex, hehe.. yes. and i am now making more money than i ever thought i would because of it01:50
tvon|x31WW_: mhm...sony vaio TR2?   not that I know anyone actually running ubuntu on it...01:50
xcasexcubeness, oh?01:50
xcasexcubeness, doing work for schools or?01:51
tvon|x31WW_: X40 is all that comes to mind01:51
splintaso...when we gonna see xorg ?01:51
jdubsplinta: next release01:51
splinta6 mths ? :o)01:51
jdubyes01:51
tvon|x31ish01:51
jdubwell, if you don't count the devel branch :)01:51
splintai'd give it a whirl if it had xorg01:52
splintamight end up d/l mdk 10.1 in interim01:52
tvon|x31could try fc3 as well01:52
splintayup01:52
Atticusggi: i am back01:53
tvon|x31ran xorg on here a lil bit, none of the nifty extras are really worth it yet imo01:53
splintabe a while before features are adopted01:53
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tvon|x31and performance improves...01:53
splintacertainly the furture of x01:53
splintasp*01:53
alias[k] Anyone know much about coverting ubuntu to KDE?01:54
jdubxorg features won't be hugely useful until six months down the track anyway01:54
jdubother than DAMAGE01:54
jdubalias[k] : lots of KDE stuff in universe01:54
xcasex^^^01:54
jdubalias[k] : if you're interested in helping out, get in touch with jriddell01:54
jdubalias[k] : but ubuntu supported packages only include GNOME01:54
alias[k] Well - I'm running KDE at the moment on Ubuntu, but I'm having some problems, who should i speak to?01:55
splintaprolly find this is a ms funded project in the end :o)01:55
Telepshh01:55
splintalol..macbride  et al01:55
mkyc-ubuntuno disrespect to KDE but i find gnome far better than it01:55
ggiAtticus: Well, I can tell you what to do. Just about.01:55
splintaget y'all hooked on ms like reg in gnome01:55
jdubalias[k] : ask on the users list, perhaps01:55
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alias[k] Users list?01:56
mkyc-ubuntuKDE is just too cluttered for my liking, but its down to preference i guess01:56
jdubalias[k] : see the topic for links01:56
mkyc-ubuntumind you i normally use blackbox or fluxbox so maybe im just weird :)01:57
KosaiOh, that's odd.  No ubuntu ohphone package?01:57
ggiAtticus: Install the package 'fglrx-driver'.01:57
TelepThere's plenty of KDE distros around anyway - concentrating on Gnome will help Ubuntu stay (/become) a good, no-nonsense distro...01:57
Telepimho01:57
splintai've been playing with xfce4 recently...far more responsive on my k7/500 then either kde or gnome01:57
edward__any more hints?01:57
mkyc-ubuntui think so Telep01:57
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mkyc-ubuntuthe thing is that there are a pile of cookie cutter KDE desktop distros around that all look the same01:58
Telepxfce4 is fast, but it's certainly not a consistent environment01:58
mkyc-ubuntuand by the same i mean look likw windows.. nothing wrong with that if you like it i guess but...01:58
splintano...but it at least allows a little responsiveness from my fastest pc..lol01:58
Telep:)01:59
cubenessi like ROX myself02:00
mkyc-ubuntuxfce4 looks nice but i find it can be user unfriendly02:00
splintai mean...try loading nautilus02:01
mkyc-ubuntuurkk nooo02:01
splintalol02:01
mkyc-ubuntuyou mean something makes nautilus fast?02:01
WW_tvon|x31: (belated) thanks.02:01
mkyc-ubuntui thought that was impossible :)02:01
splintait is02:01
tvon|x31WW_: nooooooo problemo02:01
splintacern did a study ;o)02:01
mkyc-ubuntulol02:01
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splintabut that most peoples first impression of a gnome app02:02
TelepI don't find the spatial nautilus to be too slow02:03
splintaand i guarantee you...thereare many more folks out there with less than a 3k pentium to play with02:03
Telepand that's pretty much all I use :)02:03
mkyc-ubuntuwhat i find interesting is i run 2 hard drives i swap on this notebook, one has Knoppix on a HDD install and the other is ubuntu. GNOME just seems faster02:03
mkyc-ubuntui agree splinta02:03
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splintaalways prepared to give a new distro atry02:04
splintajust may wait for next rel02:04
Telepwhat a clever uid02:04
splintakde is same02:04
mkyc-ubuntubut i find the gnome is just more responsive on may aging lappy than KDE for some reason02:04
mkyc-ubuntuits all preference i think02:04
neighborleemkyc-ubuntu, its the fastest implementation of gnome that i've seen yet that or gnome2.8 made alot of speed optimizations <G>02:04
mkyc-ubuntuyeah it seems like that neighborlee02:04
splintalol...that would be a greatarea for developmenty02:05
splintasp == too much beer02:05
mkyc-ubuntui havent dug too deep into it to look but im intrigued.02:05
mkyc-ubuntubeer at 10am..02:05
mkyc-ubuntuahh forgetting not everyones in australia02:05
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splinta21:10...lol02:05
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Telepwhat a notion... everyone being australian...02:06
mkyc-ubuntusunny spring day here at 10am.. 02:06
Telephmm, I wouldn't mind a beer myself02:06
mkyc-ubuntuscary notion in some ways02:06
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splintabut beer at 10am sounds quite reasonable...depends on your climate :o)02:07
mkyc-ubuntuif you imagine everyone was australian and looked like paul hogan02:07
Telepcold Autumn night here in Finland :-)02:07
splintathis is called olands...i hope 02:07
splintafor your sake they don't export it lol02:07
mkyc-ubuntubeer at 10am isnt strange in australia really... its 26 celcius here and thats cool, our summers hit 40 celcius and 80% humidity02:07
LinuxJonessplinta, where you from ?02:07
Telepmkyc-ubuntu: hehe, 26 is hot for Finland :)02:08
splintauk...moved to nova scotia 5 yrs ago02:08
Telepwell, would be02:08
mkyc-ubuntuTelep, yeah but cold for us is 0 celcius02:08
LinuxJonessplinta, cool I 'm in Cape Breton :D02:08
mkyc-ubuntuwhich in finland would be a warm day sometimes :)02:08
splintacool...do you fish ? lmao02:08
LinuxJonessplinta, no :P02:09
Telepmkyc-ubuntu: well not really... -10 is much better than 002:09
splintagot some folks at work from cb...really loose women ;o)02:09
mkyc-ubuntunova scotia sounds nice02:09
mkyc-ubuntubrrr02:09
LinuxJonessplinta, you think ;)02:09
splintait is...but cape breton is nicer02:09
jdubmkyc-ubuntu: where are you? qld?02:09
mkyc-ubuntuyep QLD, brisbabe02:10
mkyc-ubuntubrisbane02:10
Telepmkyc-ubuntu: 'cause the air is drier the colder it is, and 0 degrees means a lot of slush and bad weather :)02:10
jdubdefinitely not 26 degrees in rainy sydney :-)02:10
mkyc-ubuntuah thank Telep i see02:10
LinuxJonessplinta, your in Halifax I take it ?02:10
splintacape breton be looking kinda nice this time of year eh Mr Jones ?02:11
mkyc-ubuntunot as much slush.. hell it got to 6 celsius here on nite in winter and people thought they were freezing :)02:11
splintanot far from hfx lj02:11
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Telepit's easier to keep warm outside when it's well under freezing02:11
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LinuxJonessplinta, the leaves are jsut starting to change color, another 2 weeks and we will be in full bloom :P02:11
mkyc-ubuntujdub : saw sunrise on tv, looks like a lousy day in sydney02:11
edward__can someone help me with my sound problem?02:11
LinuxJonessplinta, I lived there for almost 11 years and loved it.02:12
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Telephmm, a sound problem indeed02:12
mkyc-ubuntuwould love to see canada.. mind you finland would be nice for a visit as well02:12
Telep(sorry, I'm too tired)02:12
splintatook my folks around the cabot trail last october...now bare in mind these folks are from birmingham...lol...had to beat them with a stick to get them back on the plane 02:12
LinuxJonesmkyc-ubuntu, there are lots of Aussies who move to Canada for some reason.02:13
Atticusggi: are you there02:13
theantixLinuxJones, it's like an invasion!  :-)02:13
mkyc-ubuntulol02:13
LinuxJonestheantix, ya and they all talk funny :D02:13
jdubLinuxJones: canada is the *real* north america02:13
Telepmkyc-ubuntu: yes, it's very nice here :) Come and see our forests before we cut them down :D02:13
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mkyc-ubuntuif you want some photos of what brisbane looks like this week heres some : http://www.flickr.com/photos/monkeyc/02:13
splintathats tru jdub02:13
mkyc-ubuntulol sounds like australia re forest cutting down02:14
mkyc-ubuntuwere mostly desert anyway02:14
LinuxJonesjdub, ya we have 2 time zones more than the USA, and they don't believe me when I tell them :P02:14
splintaquite few poms move to oz02:14
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TelepI'd like to visit Canada some time02:14
mkyc-ubuntupoms move here cause its not england02:14
mkyc-ubuntu:)02:15
splintawhere r u telus ?02:15
splintalmao mkyc02:15
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mkyc-ubuntusame reason the kiwis move here i suspect02:15
TelepEngland is crowded - it seems more crowded everytime I visit :D02:15
phr0stbyteAny1 know of something like this: http://www.justlinux.com/nhf/Compiling_Kernels/An_Easier_and_Better_Way_to_Compile_Your_Kernel_on_Red_Hat_Based_Systems.html - but for a Debian based system?02:16
splintaand you don't have to be a tolpuddle marter to get there these days02:16
MyKq3hello can i play two sound chanels ( EX: like can i her music and my Gnome sound eventz) 02:16
mkyc-ubuntuphr0stbyte, ive never compiled a kernel, i have always done it with apt.. works for me02:16
MyKq3hear*02:16
splintahave qute a few friends in uk that visited kiwi land...all loved it02:16
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TelepHmm, I'd like to know the same thing as MyKq3 02:17
splintaand before they saw lort lol02:17
LinuxJonesphr0stbyte, >> http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm02:17
Telepmkyc-ubuntu: so marrying fruit is ok in your country?02:17
mkyc-ubuntuMyKq3, there was some discussion on the mailing list about that.  Maybe a post there might work02:17
mkyc-ubuntuTelep, yep sure is02:17
mkyc-ubuntuand sheep as well :)02:17
phr0stbytemkyc-ubuntu: I need to to get a certain device working - the module is not enabled as the default02:17
Telepbloody marvellous02:17
splintawelsh ancestry lol02:17
MyKq3mailing list .... were ?02:18
phr0stbytemkyc-ubuntu: A Wacom Graphire3 drawing tablet02:18
mkyc-ubuntuphr0stbyte, if you dont have any luck let me know, i may know someone who can help02:18
mkyc-ubuntuoh yes sorry i wasnt making out you never needed to roll your own kernel only that i had never done it so couldnt help :)02:19
mkyc-ubuntumailing list..02:19
mkyc-ubuntuubuntu-users mailing list02:19
mkyc-ubuntuubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com02:19
mkyc-ubuntuhttp://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users02:19
phr0stbytemkyc-ubuntu: Been trying along time in Mandrake....02:19
mkyc-ubuntusounds painfull phr0stbyte02:20
mkyc-ubuntuno one else has used a wacom tablet in linux?02:20
phr0stbytemkyc-ubuntu: A tad02:20
mkyc-ubuntuyeah people do not write how to's as much as they should02:21
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MyKq3thanks.... what do u think about Arts. on Mandrake i manage to use two chanel with Arts suport  02:21
MyKq3do u think we  can do ther same on Gnome?02:21
phr0stbytemkyc-ubuntu: I will - once I figure it out02:21
mkyc-ubuntuphr0stbyte, i have a friend who's worked with deb for a living for years, hes away atm but i will ask him if he knows when he gets back if you like02:21
phr0stbyteMyKq3: with Gnome it is esd02:22
mkyc-ubuntudrop me an email to linux at monkeyc.net and i will see if he knows anything02:22
phr0stbytemkyc-ubuntu: That would be great!02:22
mkyc-ubuntuno worries, been there myself02:22
phr0stbytemkyc-ubuntu: I will do that as soon as I figure out why Evolution wont send mail if I have more than one account in it....02:23
mkyc-ubuntuahh thats a pain02:23
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PoWWhat would be the proper apt-get package for GCC and whatnot?02:24
phr0stbytemkyc-ubuntu: This Um=buntu is pretty nice though after 6 years of using Mandrake02:24
phr0stbyte*Umbuntu02:25
whiprushPoW: do an apt-cache search gcc02:25
whiprushit'll show you the gcc packages available02:25
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whiprush"gcc" is probably what you want02:26
phr0stbyteLinuxJones: Thanx for that URL by the way02:26
tvon|x31phr0stbyte: is no 'm'02:26
whiprushor you can specify gcc-3.3 or gcc-3.4, for example02:26
WW_PoW: I think `sudo apt-get install build-essential` will also include some of the whatnot.02:26
PoWYeah, just found it ;P02:27
PoWThanks02:27
phr0stbytetvon|x31: sorry - real fat fingered tonight02:27
tvon|x31phr0stbyte: heh ;)02:27
Telephmm, starting to feel _tired_. Maybe I should sleep02:27
LinuxJonesphr0stbyte, sure bud, but here is something even better :D >> http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/index.php/howto/debwacom02:28
LinuxJonesphr0stbyte, it looks like a fair bit of work but it is probably just what you are looking for.02:29
phr0stbyteLinuxJones: Ooooh! Aaaaah!02:30
LinuxJonesphr0stbyte, :D02:30
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PoWhmm02:34
PoWbuild-essentials failed to install o_o02:34
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WW_PoW: build-essential (no s)02:39
PoWyeah02:39
PoWI failed in the process lol02:39
PoWThere it goes02:40
PoWUsed synaptic to rebuild the broken packages02:40
phr0stbyteLinuxJones: what package supplies make-kpkg?02:42
Mithrandirphr0stbyte: kernel-package02:45
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skreetHm Anandtech forums crashed my browser, haha02:46
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phr0stbyteMithrandir: thank you (new to Deb. based system)02:47
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LinuxJonesphr0stbyte, sorry I went afk02:53
theantixdoes anyone here know if Sarge has a release date planned yet?02:57
mkyc-ubuntunope02:57
mkyc-ubuntusee front page of disto watch, there was a news peice about it02:57
theantixthanks02:57
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jeldhello all03:02
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JeedeeAnyone got java working on ubuntu?03:11
KosaiPlenty of people.  See the FAQ.03:11
JeedeeThat's fine, I was just wondering if it was working yet03:12
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axe9dotcomoi03:18
axe9dotcomwhy does java take up so much system resources?03:18
JeedeeBecause it has to run the vm in the background03:21
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axe9dotcom*sigh(03:22
axe9dotcomI need a non-java BT client...03:22
Jeedee:o03:22
JeedeeJava is amazing03:22
Jeedeebut well03:22
Jeedeethere are gtk client I guess03:22
axe9dotcomand googleisn't turning up anything positive03:23
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axe9dotcomgtk?03:23
Jeedeehttp://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=15403:23
Jeedeelooks functional to me03:23
Jeedeelook on synaptic but I doubt it's there03:23
knarphwho here knows about tcpdump?03:24
knarphoh, nm03:26
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jeldfile-roller DnD support is ridiculous :(03:27
jeldyou drag something into a nautilus window and have to hold the mouse until it unpacks stuff, if you drop it cancels03:28
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axe9dotcom...03:36
axe9dotcomubuntu can't use Debian installers right03:37
axe9dotcomso..03:37
axe9dotcomi have to compile the code :(03:37
Se7hwrong03:38
Se7hubuntu is debian03:38
Infernal_DemonSe7h to the rescue03:38
axe9dotcom!03:38
axe9dotcomkool03:38
Se7hbut try to find a binary for ubuntu03:38
Se7hif u can't03:38
Se7huse one from debian03:38
Se7hworks just fine03:38
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knarphok, synaptic is cool and all, but it forgets to set $PATH vars constantly03:39
knarphor $ vars overall03:39
Se7hindeed03:39
knarphgreat, now i have to go and remember stuff! sheesh...03:40
axe9dotcomkeeps saaying it can't open it03:40
Se7haxe9dotcom paste what it returns03:41
Se7h1 or 2 lines03:41
Se7haxe9dotcom maybe a lib missing ?03:42
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jeldquestion, is firefox gonna look for plugins in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins or just its own plugins directory?03:43
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aitrusis there a command-line network configuration tool in ubuntu?03:44
crimsun$EDITOR /etc/networking/interfaces ?03:45
aitrusworks for me03:45
aitrus=)03:45
crimsun-ing03:45
crimsunsorry, mixing it up with invoke-rc.d :)03:45
aitrusgave me enough info03:46
axe9dotcomCouldn't display "/home/family/gnome-btdownload_0.0.16-2_all.deb".03:46
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jeldok, flash works, java works back to killing axies in enemy territory :)03:47
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jeldBTW, eroaster seems like a great CD-burning app, are there any plans of including it with standard install?03:49
Se7hdamm03:49
Se7hgrub.conf doesn't lives here03:49
Se7hlol03:49
Se7hmenu-lst03:49
Se7h*menu.lst03:49
jeldanyone knows how to dynamicaly update GNOME menus?03:50
axe9dotcomapt-get update?03:50
jeldthat is without login/logout cycle03:50
axe9dotcom?03:51
axe9dotcomsudo apt-get update?03:51
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jeldaxe9dotcom, I just installed a few apps with entries in GNOME menu, they don't appear in the menu until I logout and log back in, wonder if there is a way of getting around that03:52
axe9dotcomdonno03:53
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LinuxJonesGood night all !!03:53
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smeggydamn, i love this distro 03:58
smeggylol03:58
Se7hsmeggy ;)03:58
Se7hmi 203:59
Se7h:P03:59
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jeldsmeggy, this is about as close to the "linux that just works" dream that I ever got :)03:59
axe9dotcomAnyone watching the debate?03:59
smeggyjeld, yeah me too03:59
smeggynot only does it just work, it works fast, doesn't make me pay for stupid subscriptions and it uses gnome :D04:00
Se7haxe9dotcom me04:00
Se7hthis bush is just a dillhole04:01
Se7hdam04:01
tsengon topic please.04:01
Se7hhow can ppl b so dam stupid04:01
Se7huh?04:01
Se7hsorry04:01
tsengthanks.04:01
smeggyhe means dont chat about politics ;)04:01
jeldsmeggy, I just switched from KDE 3.3 (still use it at work) it has its moments, but so far I love GNOME 2.804:01
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smeggyjeld, i switched from gnome to kde when kde 3.1 came out... now i'm back on gnome thanks to 2.804:02
Se7hyeah i understood04:02
axe9dotcomse7h, Really, are oyu listening? pardon the language, but kerry is screwing himself in the ass04:03
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Se7h"on topic"04:03
Se7hlol04:03
Se7hyeah but i am04:04
jeldsmeggy, there are a few rather cool things about 3.3, but a lot of similar things went into the gnome 2.8 (like gaim and evolution integration) and evolution beats kontact with its eyes closed :) plus KDe still doesn't support hal and friends04:04
smeggygo talk politics in #politics if you want ;)04:04
smeggyyeah04:04
jeldsmeggy, I still miss Alt-F2 gg:some words though04:04
smeggygnome isnt as jam packed with features as kde, but if you play around and set it up nicely, it beats it head over heels for usability for the most part04:04
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jeldsmeggy, basically if GNOME default browser (whatever it is) gets properly integrated into the desktop I will not miss KDE one bit04:05
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skreetAnyone notice that no matter how much you change the color of gnome-panel the apps on it are still the same default color?04:06
jeldskreet, sad, but true04:06
smeggyyeah, that annoys the s*** outta me04:06
skreetSince forever too.04:07
skreetI figured after like 300 versions..04:07
smeggyoh kde, how I occasionally miss thee :P04:07
skreet"Ohh, 2.8"04:07
jeldskreet, although launcher icons do get the background right, my panels are transparent :)04:07
jdubskreet: a number of applets do support that04:07
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skreetIt's customizable the the API for an applet just isnt quite good enough04:07
jdubskreet: if you have time, it won't take long to fix the rest04:07
skreetYes but "Applications" "Computer".. and my gaim Systray icon :\04:07
skreetjdub: How?04:07
jdubpatching the applets04:07
jdubthere are a number that are already working04:08
skreetrecompiling or is there a patch?04:08
skreetit's still pretty rediculous04:08
jdub(except when you turn on the fake panel transparency)04:08
skreetIs it even in their version planning to fix this? :P04:08
jdubskreet: you can write patches to fix this, it shouldn't take long04:08
jdubthere are a number of examples already04:08
smeggysomeone find me a good desktop bg :P04:08
skreetHeh04:08
jdubsuch as the wifi applet04:08
jeldhmmm... ssh vfs plugin doesn't seem to work04:10
joemjeld, works fine here, any errors?04:11
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defendguingood evening04:12
jeldjoem, nope, just keeps saying it is "opening"04:12
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jeldjoem, and in the process list there is a bunch of ssh processes marked <defunct>04:13
joemand you can connect to the server via normal ssh user@address?04:13
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jeldhmmm... this was NOT cool, GNOME completely froze my system04:18
KosaiHow do you know Gnome did it?04:19
smeggyt'was probably xfree04:19
dommiubuntu needs a discussion forum04:19
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axe9dotcomI have an IPB liscense, and phpBB04:20
dommivBulletin here04:20
jeldwell... I am kinda guessing, but my cursor changed into something like a little cross, and than mouse would move but wouldn't react to any clicks, and keyboard would just shut down04:20
smeggysounds like xfree crashed jelf04:20
smeggy*jeld04:20
jkgaren't there mailing lists or something?04:20
dommican you recreate the error?04:20
jeldsmeggy, could be... generally when X crashes on me, the windows stop updating04:21
jdubjkg: see the topic :)04:21
jdubdommi: it's coming04:22
jelddommi, I didn't do anything particular at the moment, I was just dragging one of the nautilus windows to the side of the screen04:22
mdzdommi: the forums are coming; if you have suggestions for software to use, send them to the mailing list04:22
jdubdommi: (might be good to read previous threads about it on the list for some context)04:22
dommihavent signed up for the list yet04:22
dommiI would suggest vB but thats just because I love the software04:23
dommithere are a metric ton of mods for it04:23
dommiand it seems more flexable than just about any of the competitors04:23
jdubmost crucial feature we're interested in is mailing list integration04:23
dommiexcept for maybe ubb04:23
dommiwell Im not sure about that, but for what its worth vB has NNTP integration04:23
jkgoh, as web forum with mailing list integration might actually be bearable04:23
dommithrough a "mod"04:23
jeldhmmm... another strange thing, firefox wouldn't display an image created by "Take Screenshot" feature04:23
dommiwhat kind of mailing list integration are you looking for?04:24
dommiare you looking to cross link ml to forum posts?04:24
dommior just display the mailing list posts on the forum?04:24
smeggyprobably be more sensible to display mailing list posts to forum04:24
smeggyotherwise list traffic'd probably get enormous04:25
jkgbut then people who ask stuff on the list never see the answers if it's answered on the forum, which doesn't seem particularly great04:25
smeggytrue. but lots of places manage like that i guess04:26
dommihttp://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=23537904:26
dommitry that on for size04:26
dommiit is straight from google answers, it lists the best forums with mailing list integration04:26
smeggyoh yeah, Phorum is good04:27
dommiyah phorum04:27
jeldok, maybe it is just me, can someone check out http://mitechki.net/Screenshot.png and http://mitechki.net/Screenshot.jpeg04:28
dommidigiposts.com - Now this advertises what I need.  However, in order to04:28
dommiget the integrated listserv, I'd have to fork out $2500!!! ... and04:28
dommithat is just the first year.  Their annual support contract is an04:28
dommiextra $500 per year.04:28
jeldafter all, I prelinked my system04:28
dommisorry for the flood04:28
dommibut that post in google answers is just wow04:28
joemjeld, png is no good and the jpeg looks really messed up04:28
jeldjoem, that would be what I am seeing, except, on my local system they are both fine04:29
smeggyjeld, jpg is messed and firefox claims the png has errors04:29
dommismeggy, agreed on both counts04:30
jeldsmeggy, I think I got it... FTP plugin seems to screw up on binaries04:30
smeggypng is ok now04:30
smeggyftp plugin for what?04:31
jeldsmeggy, gnome-vfs04:31
smeggyoh yeah04:31
smeggyany particular reason you need that? other than missing that sort of thing from konq :P04:31
smeggygftp does a great job of ftp04:31
joemmuch nicer network transparency04:31
smeggytransparency like that is nice and all, but I never found much sue for it other than nfs shares04:32
smeggyheh04:32
jeldsmeggy, hate gFTP, prefer to use CLI04:32
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smeggy;)04:32
joemmuch easier to drag files into a folder the open another app etc..04:32
jeldsmeggy, and yes, at moments like this I do miss konqueror ;)04:33
dommion a side note, emacs probably has an ftp plugin...04:33
joemgnome-vfs sftp,ftp stuff works find here04:33
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jelddommi, lets not start a war, but I am a vim guy :)04:33
smeggythat was a joke?! lol04:33
dommisorry, I should have groaned harder04:33
smeggyhehe04:34
jeldjoem, I think I got my ssh problem, I didn't have the key in my known_hosts, so it was freezing asking for me to confirm04:34
theantixhey didn't someone just say no politics on this channel?  (vim uber alles!)04:34
jeldjoem, silly, but logical04:34
dommiIm thinking about starting a lug.  I need topics for the first meeting.  I was considering pimping ubuntu04:34
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jeldhehe, got my msttcorefonts working :)04:36
=== jeld is so not politicaly correct
dommijeld where in ny are you?  Your host mask said you were on RR04:37
jelddommi, the city, queens, forest hills04:38
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dommiwhitestone here04:38
jeld:)04:38
dommihave you heard about fios?04:38
jeldnope04:38
rahulvirmaninope04:38
dommihttp://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/remark,11114020~mode=flat~start=4004:38
dommi^^^that04:38
dommiobligatory verizon.com link http://www22.verizon.com/ForYourHome/Fios/packagePrice.asp04:39
rahulvirmaniI am having trouble getting ubuntu installed on my Mac G404:39
rahulvirmaniWhere can I go to get some help?04:40
jelddommi, interesting...04:40
minghuarahulvirmani: I installed ubuntu on my iBook G4 without any problem04:40
dommijust look for a verizon truck installing a six foot tall by 3 foot deep box on or near your telephone pole04:40
minghuawhat is your trouble?04:40
jelddommi, I am getting fairly decent price for the internet since I got a complete cable package04:40
dommibut 40 bucks for 5Mb and 2Mb is a steal04:41
rahulvirmaniI get the CD installed but when it reboots, I only get the linux kernel04:41
rahulvirmaniThe install does not finish04:41
rahulvirmaniI do get the yast loader (that asks for which to boot OSX or linux)04:41
minghuawhat do you mean by ``only the linux kernel''?04:42
minghuaokay, so you type ``l'' at the yaboot loader, then you should have a boot: line04:42
minghuaright?04:42
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rahulvirmanino, I do that and then I get the Linux kernel loaded, but nothing more!04:43
jeldgrrr... SSH gnome-vfs still doesn't work, wish they already dumped it or figured it out04:43
smeggywhat do you mean by "linux kernel"?04:43
minghuaokay, so what is the last message? is there a login: line?04:44
dommiwhat is the last thing that happens before the boot crashes.  and how does the boot cycle crash?04:44
rahulvirmaniI get a black screen with text, but no login line.04:44
dommihrm, beat me to it04:44
dommiwhat does the text say?04:44
minghuawhat is the last text then?04:44
rahulvirmaniAs I have only one mac, I am now back in OSX, but the text looks like the report of a login 04:45
jeldOK, guys, ttyl04:45
dommilayta04:45
dommirahulvirmani, what does the report of a login look like?04:46
rahulvirmaniI will have to reboot and then get back to you (I will have to write down what it says)04:46
dommiif you need to, try booting into ubuntu, write down the error then boot back to x04:46
dommiagain I get beaten to the punch04:46
dommi:(04:46
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rahulvirmaniI will try this. thanks04:46
rahulvirmanittyl04:46
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dommihttp://www.amd.com/us-en/Weblets/0,,7832_11713,00.html?redir=rttt0604:48
dommiamd is giving away free processors!04:48
dommibut they dont seem to want to do so in the northern half of the US04:48
Se7hAway: ( Sleeping ) | Since: ( Fri Oct  1 03:50:48 2004 ) Xlack v1.8-pre2.04:50
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toyowheelincool dommi too bad I got one already:)04:51
dommigo there and get another...  then share the love04:51
toyowheelinlol04:51
toyowheelin( Computer Stats ) [ CPU Model: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3400+ Speed: 2399.998 MHz Cache: 512 KB ]  | RAM Usage: 474/1024M [||||||||||]  ( 46.3% ) | [ HD Model: Maxtor 6Y120P0 Size: 114G with 70G Free ( 61.4% ) ]  | Number of process: 10104:52
jkgI love AMD's processing naming convention more and more with each iteration, as the name (3400+) diverges further from the clockspeed (2400)...04:53
tsengtoyowheelin: never do that again. thanks04:53
jkgs/ssing/ssor/ # falling asleep04:53
toyowheelinsorry tseng 04:53
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dommirahulvirmani, what did you find?04:54
defendguinhey did you guys split apart hal and hal device manager?04:54
rahulvirmaniI found the following, it starts of with "Welcome to Linux kernel 2.6.8.1-2-powerpc04:54
rahulvirmanithere are some lines of text with hex next to it04:55
defendguinoriginally it looks like the hal package includes hal-device-manager04:55
tsengdefendguin: yes.04:55
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tsengthey are two packages04:55
defendguinbut now it has its own package04:55
defendguinwhy did you guys go with one package in the first place?04:55
rahulvirmaniThe final line is openpic : exit04:56
defendguini was talking with davyyd about the battery applet and he says it might possibly be a ubuntu problem why it always reports 0%04:57
jdubdefendguin: one package was how it was done in debian04:58
dommirahulvirmani, http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2003/09/msg00468.html04:58
theantixdefendguin, the battery applet that comes with gnome?04:58
minghuadommi: I found that link too, but it seems to be related to a OS X upgrade04:59
defendguinwe have no support for amp in the kernel and no directory /proc/acpi04:59
defendguintheantix, yeah04:59
dommiminghua, agreed04:59
dommibut it makes for good fodder04:59
theantixdefendguin, it's been working for me since day one, no problems04:59
dommirahulvirmani, have you tried zapping your pram?04:59
defendguinit just reports 0% here05:00
dommi</typical mac tech support answer>05:00
minghuadommi: another gentoo forum link says it's also related to OS X upgrade05:00
minghuarahulvirmani: what is your OS X version?05:00
defendguinso what power management system is ubuntu supposed to be using?05:02
jdubwhatever your machine supports, ie. acpi or apm05:02
defendguinive got nothing i guess :(05:03
defendguinNo APM support in kernel05:04
aitrusgrrr.... Gnome won't load when I enable TwinView!05:05
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defendguinjdub, how can i tell which my laptop supports?05:08
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jdubread dmesg05:09
defendguinlol05:10
defendguinACPI disabled because your bios is from 1999 and too old05:10
defendguinYou can enable it with acpi=force05:10
defendguinLocal APIC disabled by BIOS -- reenabling.05:11
defendguinCould not enable APIC!05:11
defendguinhmmm i wonder if i can update the bios on this laptop05:11
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defendguineeek05:12
rahulvirmaniI am using the latest version of OSX 10.3.505:13
jkgit's not a huge issue in my case anyway, since I can't use the machine for >5 minutes without AC power. still, vaguely worrisome.05:13
rahulvirmanidomni are you there?05:15
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skreetWho's using what IRC client?05:24
defendguini guess this laptop cant even have apci :(05:24
rahulvirmaniI am using X-Chat Aqua05:24
skreetAqua? Special build or something?05:24
rahulvirmaniI guess so, it works under OSX05:24
diemanirssi is the only irc client.05:24
skreetohh, gotcha05:24
diemanthere is no ther.05:24
diemanno other.05:25
skreetI'm trying to find a different X client05:25
diemanoh05:25
joemskreet, what are you using now?05:25
diemanirssi is text based :)05:25
skreetX-Chat05:25
smeggyjust give in05:25
smeggyand use irssi05:25
joemI don't think you are going to get better then xchat05:25
skreetLooking for something with a simplistic / minimalistic UI05:25
skreetokay.05:25
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sweenshey all05:26
joemhi05:26
skreethola05:26
rahulvirmaniThe latest version of OSX seems to have upset ubuntu as I cannot get it to boot after install05:26
sweensi'm sorry, but i've become one of those loathsome linux newbies...haha05:26
rahulvirmaniCan someone help me here05:26
skreetUbuntu has a PPC build?05:26
crimsunyes.05:27
rahulvirmaniyes it does.05:27
skreetCool.05:27
sweensany hints on how to get grub to recognize my winxp installation?05:27
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skreetI know it says how to do that in the Gentoo Install guide05:27
rahulvirmanittyl...over and out05:27
skreetbut I cant recall off the top of my head.05:27
jkgthe installer detected my XP intsallation out of the box, and it Just Worked05:27
sweenshmmm....05:27
sweensi think it didn't cause it's loaded on a sata raid 0 stripe05:28
sweensubuntu is on a regular ide drive05:28
skreetYa that's pretty difficult to configure in Grub so I hear.05:29
skreetI couldent get Ubuntu to recognise my SATA as a RAID, it called it 2 80 GB drives.05:29
sweensditto05:29
sweensshould i attempt to fix grub you think? or replace it with lilo or something?05:30
joemsweens, there are samples in the menu.lst file05:30
skreetgrub should be able to do it.05:30
sweensmenu.lst file....05:31
sweenssorry to ask, but where is this?05:31
skreet/boot/grub05:31
skreetmake sure /boot/ is mounted05:31
sweenscool...thanks05:31
skreetIf i shutdown and install a USB2.0 Controller, is Ubuntu configured to automatically detect and installl the drivers?05:36
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jdubskreet: yes05:38
skreetAll kindsa fun, Thanks.05:38
toyowheelinanyone know how to find out what drivers you are currently using for video05:41
jsubl2grep -i driver /etc/X11/XF86Config-405:43
toyowheelink thanks05:43
toyowheelinjsubl2, do you know how to browse the availible drivers05:44
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crimsuntoyowheelin: generally, ls /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/05:45
MaisStill no word on that AMD64 Nvidia Driver?05:45
toyowheelinI word on an AMD64 ATI driver05:45
toyowheelin:(05:45
toyowheelin*want05:45
toyowheelink thanks crimsun05:45
Maistoyo: have you tried the steps in wiki.ubuntu.com/binarydriverhowto 05:46
defendguinjust as a hint since the the apm module is included in ubuntu if you detect that the bios is too old to support acpi can you load the apm module so they will have a working power management system05:46
toyowheelinno but i will now Mais05:46
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toyowheelinok currently I am using the ati driver but it shows there is a radeon driver how do I use it instead05:47
Maisdid you do the apt-get?05:48
Maishttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/05:48
Maiser05:48
Maiswrong paste05:48
toyowheelinumm I did a lot of gettin05:48
toyowheelinlol05:49
Maissudo apt-get install fglrx-driver 05:49
Maisthat guy right there05:49
toyowheelinI dont remember what all I got05:49
toyowheelink ill try it05:49
Maisthe rest of the steps are located here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto05:49
toyowheelinMais, it cant find package fglrx-driver05:50
Maisok05:50
Maiscd to etc/apt05:50
Maisand edit sources.list05:50
Maisremove the two source lines that have # signs next to them05:50
toyowheelinok05:50
Maisthen run a: sudo apt-get update05:51
toyowheelinMais, none are commented out05:51
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Maisthen run the update and try to get it again05:52
toyowheelinok05:52
Maisif it wont find it after that you have the same problem as me for the nvidia drivers05:52
Maisand us AMD4 guys are screwed ;)05:52
Mais64*05:52
toyowheelin:(05:52
toyowheelindamn05:52
sweenswhat do i do if ubuntu didn't recognize my winxp (sata raid 0) installation? I can't get back to xp now05:53
toyowheelinhehe05:53
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toyowheelinMais, still dont find it guess Im stuck with a lil over 120FPS on glxgears non3d accelerated graphics05:54
skreetApparenty USB isnt that easy in linux :P05:55
Maisheh05:55
Maisat least you have a gui05:55
Maislol05:55
Maisi cant even run xserver05:55
skreetI guess in the grand spectrum of things my USB device really isnt that important05:56
toyowheelinbut im gonna restart the xserver i just replaced the ATI driver with one called radeon05:56
skreetAnyone here wanna take a stab at how to mount a USB hard disk?05:56
skreeton perhaps they already know, even easier. :)05:56
Mais-- /dev/usb0 ?? random guess05:57
joemprobably listed as /dev/sdX05:57
skreetno such file or directory05:57
skreetI have sda05:57
skreetand sda105:57
joemmount /dev/sda1 /mountpoint05:57
skreetcannot fdisk -l /dev/sda05:57
skreetoh you'd like that woudlent you joem05:57
skreetlol05:57
skreetit DOES mount05:57
skreetbut I cannot open the folder.05:57
joemwhats it say?05:57
skreetI find it odd i cant fdisk -l sda05:58
skreetPermission denied.05:58
skreetskreet@ubuntu /mnt $ fdisk -l /dev/sda05:58
skreetCannot open /dev/sda05:58
joemskreet, sudo fdisk ...05:58
skreetoh05:58
skreethaha05:58
skreetgood point05:58
joem:)05:58
skreethey!05:58
skreetworked like a charm05:58
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skreeti dont suppose i need full root privs to VIEW files on the mount point?!05:59
skreeterm nvm05:59
toyowheelinhumm no diff05:59
skreetbeing dmb05:59
skreet i need to give myself some privs .. grm lol05:59
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toyowheelinis there a way to tell the xserver to use 3d acceleration05:59
skreethow can I give /mnt/usb_hdd permissions for normal users?!06:01
skreetchmod 777 /mnt/usb_hdd is attempting to write to the FS, giving me "read-only filesystem" errors06:01
toyowheelinmount it with rw06:02
skreetIt cant be mounted write. it's ntfs06:02
skreetbut no matter how i mount it the settings only apply to "root" right?06:02
skreetI dont want to have to sudo every task I want to interact with this partition.06:03
toyowheelinchown users06:03
toyowheelin??06:03
bob2toyowheelin: no06:03
toyowheelinIDK06:03
skreet"Read-only filesystem"06:03
bob2skreet: mount it with the "uid" option06:03
bob2or the "umask" one.06:03
skreetbob2: I'm intreged, go on :)06:03
skreethow do i do that.06:03
bob2what do yo uwant to do?06:03
bob2make all of it readable to everyone?06:04
skreetI want to mount /dev/sda1 to /mnt/usb_hdd, and allow my user account to access it (the only user account) without having to use sudo06:04
skreeti dont care if jesus can access it, full control is fine.06:04
skreetit's only me :)06:04
bob2umask=002 in fstab06:04
skreetwhat does that mean, 002?06:04
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skreetnice!06:05
skreetWorked great, thanks bob206:06
bob2it's documented in the mount manpage, iirc06:06
alias[k] Could someone please tell me how to multi monitor?06:06
aitrusalias[k] : you mean nVidia TwinView?06:06
skreetalias[k] : Not that easy, Havent done it in a while though.06:06
punkassalias: did u get that figured out last nite?06:06
punkasss/did/didnt/06:06
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toyowheelinSection "DRI"06:07
toyowheelin        Mode    066606:07
toyowheelin      anyone know what that is?06:07
bob2it's a permission06:07
bob2for /dev/dri/*, afaict06:07
alias[k] Yeah like twin view06:08
alias[k] I did it last night, but I had to format06:08
alias[k] punkass showed me06:08
bob2had to? how come?06:08
alias[k] Too much experimentation with KDE06:08
alias[k] =P06:08
punkassill paste it again alias06:09
punkassgoto #flood06:09
alias[k] thanks man06:09
punkassnp06:10
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skreetWow06:11
skreetSysterm HARD LOCKED06:11
skreetthat was hot.06:11
skreetRhythmbox was loading the libarry from my usb drive06:12
skreetand POOF byebye06:12
skreetis that rhythmbox sucking or some kind of hardware conflict?06:12
crimsunrhythmbox wouldn't be to blame06:13
toyowheelinthers something wrong with some of the mirrors06:13
crimsunmanage to catch any dmesg output?06:13
skreethard locked.06:13
skreetCtrl-Alt-Backspace got me no where06:13
skreetdoes it save dmesg?06:13
bob2skreet: if you're using the binary nvidia drivers, you get to keep both pieces when it breaks06:13
skreetStock Ubuntu install, with smp kernel installed.06:14
skreetBout all i've done.06:14
skreetthat and apache206:14
skreetall from the package manager.06:14
skreetapparenty totem movie player doesnt like Windows Media 9 encoded video.. who woulda thunk? :P haha06:16
crimsun``totem'' that's in universe?06:17
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aitrusanyone have any idae why when i go to login to gnome, the splash screen shows, but nothing loads06:18
skreetNo idea.06:18
joemthere any other mozilla video plugins besides the vlc and kaffeine one?06:18
skreetHowever all my video files have codec that Ubuntu does not, apparently.06:18
bob2joem: mozilla-mplayer06:19
skreetbob2 does mplayer support any more codecs than Totem.. or where can I get codecs?06:20
joemI don't see that package in any of the apt repos06:20
bob2indeed.06:20
skreetPreferabily DivX, Xvid, and Windows Media (if possible) I think that should cover my collection of stand up comedy.06:20
bob2why don't you just reencode your warez?06:20
punkassget w32codecs06:20
bob2joem: it's in marillat's debian repository06:20
skreetbob2: Too much of a pain in the ass.06:20
punkassand use totem-xine06:20
skreetpunkass: Will try. thanks.06:21
joemhmm I have that repo but no mozilla-mplayer06:21
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jsubl2skreet, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions06:21
atomskIs it possible to log the complete boot sequence of ubuntu/debian?06:23
crimsunaitrus: which of the following urls applies?  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1857  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=172506:23
aitruscrimsun: reading...06:24
skreetOdd, no totem-xine.06:25
crimsunskreet: did you uncomment the universe line(s) in /etc/apt/sources.list and ``apt-get update''?06:25
skreetcrimsun: I'm using the Synaptic Package Manager, not going through the command line, but I've added Christian Marillat's unstable repository as the FAQ suggested06:26
aitruscrimsun: #1857 is exactly like my current issue (including the /dev/dsp entries in .xsession-errors)06:26
skreetand then when i searched for totem-xine i got nothing06:26
skreetthats just anohter player right, not essential to these codecs?06:26
punkasstotem-xine is in the repos06:27
skreetpunkass: cant seem to find it :\06:27
crimsunyou need to uncomment universe06:28
crimsuni'm not familiar with synaptic06:28
punkassdid u use universe like crimsun said?06:28
punkassits the 4th one from the bottom in the repo list06:28
skreetOkay let me try doing this by hand, where is this file located?06:28
skreetnvm i scrolled up :P06:28
bob2hm, why isn't bootlogd installed by default?06:30
crimsunbecause it's not in any repo06:30
skreetOkay thanks punkass I got totme-xine now06:30
punkassgood stuff06:31
crimsunsorry, wrong window.06:31
punkassskreet: i use these to: http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/xine/w32codec-0.52-1.i386.rpm06:32
skreeti think it got it all set up via package manager06:32
punkassoh well if there is somethings it cant play then use that06:32
skreetNice my videos play06:33
skreetThanks again punkass06:33
punkassno prob06:33
skreetbut i gotta go to bed06:34
skreetgoodnight eveyrone06:34
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punkassnite06:34
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aitrushow do i add myself to a bug so that i get emails when comments are posted to it?06:34
acfhey, how do i fix an error 18 after grub is loading stage1.5? i tried doing grub-install with /dev/sda and /dev/sda1 (the root partition. this is in vmware.06:35
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ndowenssup06:36
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tuppaso is canonical already sending out ubuntu CDs from the info entered at shipit.ubuntulinux.org06:53
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skaughtHi all, I was wondering if anybody had any insight into my Toshiba laptop keyboard not functioning when I boot into the ubuntu install CD. I've tried normal and acpi=off so far. It's a Satellite A7006:57
stubtuppa: No - the preview release is not being shipped on cd. shipit.ubuntulinux.org is for requesting cd's of the gold release, which is a few weeks away.06:58
Treenakswhat about nolapic?06:58
tuppaoooh06:59
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punkassskaught_: yeah nolapic worked for me on my dell laptop07:06
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WXhi07:34
WXhow do i install java in ubuntu?07:34
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eldadis the 30-sep iso fixed?07:41
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alias[k] Does anyone have XMMS working?07:44
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phindoes aa fonts eat alot of cpu and mem?07:44
burner_xmms?  nope... beep-media-player works though07:45
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alias[k] Any good?07:45
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adam_hi everyone... thx for a great desktop distro - for whoever has been involved with it - i'm having problems with one thing though....07:46
phinask07:46
adam_i can't figure out how to set environment variables07:46
joemjust ask07:46
joemexport?07:46
phinexport BLAH=blah07:46
joemadam_, what are you trying to set?07:47
adam_actuall i guess i've figured out how to set variables... when i set the PATH variable, i can't loginto gdm07:47
adam_i'm trying to add the java bin07:47
knarphthat was a pain for me07:48
adam_after entering login info to gdm... i get an error message about it not bieing able to find some executables in the path07:48
knarphgnome ended up dying07:48
burner_alias[k] , way good07:48
burner_it's based on xmms... but gtk2 based07:48
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burner_and on that note... good luck, i'm out07:49
adam_knarpfh, same issue as mine ?07:49
knarphadam_, probably... I logged out at the wrong time i guess.  when I came back in I got no toolbars07:49
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WXhow do i install java?07:50
adam_i don't even get to the point where gnome is trying to build toolbars07:51
goatboyadam_: what are you setting $PATH to?07:51
punkassWX: here is a deb package of java: http://z42.de/debian/sun-j2re1.5debian_0.9_all.deb07:51
adam_PATH=/usr/local/java/bin:$PATH07:51
WXpunkass: im new to ubuntu/devian07:52
WXdebian07:53
WXany easy way to install?07:53
punkasssave that then run:  sudo dpkg -i thefilename07:53
punkassi am just about to try it myself07:53
WXpunkass: it depends on more07:54
punkassoh..sorry i havnt got that far yet07:54
WXohh ok07:55
deFryskdeb http://z42.de debian/ can be added to your sources.list07:55
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deFryskand then install it07:55
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punkasswhat do u put in for Distribution and Seciton?07:57
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elimhelp, does anyone know where the gdm sessions directory is?07:59
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goatboyelim: /usr/share/xsessions.08:02
elimok thnx08:02
punkassdeFrysk: even with the repo in there it still gets dep issues08:03
punkasssun-j2re1.5debian:08:03
punkass Depends: sun-j2re1.5 but it is not installable08:03
deFryskpunkass, checking...08:03
deFryskyup08:04
deFryskdoes not install08:04
punkassnope08:04
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deFryskunpacked it08:04
deFryskcopied it to usr/local/08:04
punkassah08:05
deFryskand made a symlink to firefox/plugins08:05
deFryskand done08:05
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punkass..i want mine for development :)08:05
deFryskpunkass I see , i am not a developer08:05
punkassi think i can do the same...just have to make a $JAVA_HOME location08:06
deFryskoh like setting path you mean ?08:06
punkassi just wanted to try the deb..for all the people that ask on here..would be nice for a easy fix08:06
punkassyeah08:06
deFryskI see08:07
deFryska nice handhold in the faq of ubuntu might be handy for some08:07
phinmaking kernels on k6-2's rock08:07
punkassyeah theres a bit of one there...thats where i found out about these debs08:07
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lucas_hello08:08
deFryskwhy not make a deb of the rpm.bin with alien ?08:09
lucas_is there an ubuntu port to sparc in the work ?08:09
punkassthat might work..just not sure if alien keeps symlinks etc08:09
punkassbackinabit08:10
deFryskpunkass, not sure either but my guess is not08:10
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phinlast time i built a kernel on this machine it took 6 hours08:11
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deFryskpunkass as a developer, cant you make a script to autmagicly make the symlink, wrapped in a dep ?08:11
phinjust synlink it yourself08:12
phinsymlink*08:12
deFryskphin, I know but others do not ;)08:12
phinya08:13
phinwell they should use windows if they cant figure it out :P08:13
deFryskphin, I am not in the mood to kick a dead horse08:14
phinthou i dont agree with using anaconda as an installer, i think that would put it over the top to getting new users on a grest distro08:14
phinhehe me either :P08:14
phinthere should be two installer branches or something08:14
phinis there a cli based aim client,  i had an icq one before that was pretty slick.08:15
lucas_centericq08:16
lucas_which does both icq and aim08:16
phindoes it connect to aim?08:16
lucas_and others too08:16
phinis it in ubuntu?08:16
phinuniverse or anything?08:16
lucas_probably in universe08:16
phinsearching now08:17
phinyep it is :)08:17
joempork is a good cli aim client08:17
joeminterface just like irssi08:18
phini do like irssi08:18
joemand does oscar08:18
phinhow do i remove aa all toether from x,  i think its my main slowdown08:19
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phinhmm centericq wont connect me08:24
phinpork is neet :)08:28
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neighborleeby chance can someone tell what library I'm missing from this error message ??:: /bin/sh ../ylwrap setl.l .c setl.c -- /bin/sh /home/neighborlee/nwmouse/libnw/missing --run flex  -d -s08:30
neighborlee/home/neighborlee/nwmouse/libnw/libnw/setl.l:255: warning, -s option given but default rule can be matched08:30
neighborleemake[2] : *** [setl.c]  Error 108:30
knarphdang it! how do I mount ntfs volumes again?08:34
mkyc-ubuntucarefully :P08:36
knarphheh, hope so08:36
knarph/dev/hda1       /mnt/C          ntfs    users,ro,umask=222   0 008:36
knarphwhat am I missing?08:36
crimsunwell, i'd bump the pass #08:37
crimsunmake it 208:37
knarphk08:37
crimsunand /mnt/C exists, correct?08:37
knarphyup - i just get permission denied oerror08:38
crimsun``sudo mount /mnt/C'' should work08:38
knarphnope08:38
crimsunwhat's the error?08:38
knarphwell, technically it does08:38
knarphit mounts, launches the file browser with an error box saying 'you don't have permission' blabh blah08:39
BillTI'm trying to get a Geforce 6800 working on an AMD64, and not having any luck.  It looks like the NVidia modules aren't compiled for AMD64?08:41
neighborleeknarph, just su to root temporarily and voila your done08:41
knarphwill that work in Ubuntu? i thought all was done with sudo08:42
neighborleeknarph, mount -t ntfs /dev/hdax /blah/blah08:42
neighborleeknarph, it will if you setup a root passwd ;-)08:42
knarphBillT, I'm still waiting for decent drivers for my 9600xt08:42
neighborleeknarph, its not as safe of course but....sudo is usually recommended  for obvious reasons for for now heck ;-))08:43
knarphGah! same error.08:43
BillThmm.  At this point it's not a matter of 'decent' for me, it's a matter of 'any'...  new versions of Gnome and Evolution don't do too much for me in text consoles :(08:44
neighborleeknarph: mine works here so I dont see what you could be doing wrong08:44
punkassBillT: as far as i know fabbione is working on a 64bit nvidia package08:45
BillTcool, that's good to know08:45
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togshi08:46
knarphyou could alwways install text-quake, turn your font green, and lament about the blue pill08:46
togsanybody answering questions today?08:47
joemalways08:48
togsoky :)08:48
togsi'm pretty new to linux - used RH ages ago, just installed Ub earlier today08:48
joemalways feel free to just ask, if somebody knows, they will answer08:48
togsbut anyway, I was trying to get windows network going, and the properties box told me i needed samba08:49
Treenakstogs: sudo apt-get install samba (or select it from synaptic)08:49
togsone moment, ill try the CLI - already tried syn, it broke it08:50
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Treenakstogs: synaptic broke it???08:50
togsyeah, basically08:51
togsgibe me a sec08:51
Treenaksthat's almost impossible..08:51
fabbionehey Treenaks 08:52
knarphok, synaptic needs an overhaul08:52
Treenaksfabbione: hey -- did you see the trace?08:52
knarphdoesn't set basic $VAR or symlinks08:52
fabbioneTreenaks: yes and did you see my reply?08:52
togsnow, if I go Computer > Sys Config > Networking, I get an error: "The configuration could not be loaded. There was an error running the backend script"08:52
Treenaksfabbione: uh, not yet08:52
togssamba is the only package i installed - I also did a "smart upgrade"08:53
Treenaksah ok08:53
togsany idea why that happened?08:54
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Treenaksfabbione: aren't you looking at the trace the wrong way? everything < 8 seems to be the signal handler..08:55
mojohi all ppl, I'm also new to Ubuntu, hope ppl will help me out08:55
fabbioneTreenaks: yes, but you get the signal before :-)08:55
fabbioneand than you handle it ;)08:55
fabbioneeverything before <8 means that the error happened before that08:55
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fabbionewhat happens after is what X tries to do handling the signal08:56
mojoxpdf and ggv can't read my 8.7MB PDF file, what program I need to read it? Thanx in advance08:57
mojo.....08:58
Treenaksfabbione: also, after --purge'ing xserver-xfree86-dbg while xserver-xfree86 is still installed leaves the "X" symlink pointing to /bin/true instead of XFree8609:00
Treenaksfabbione: I'll file that as a separate bug09:00
fabbionethat's weird09:01
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fabbionebut yes... open a normal bug09:02
fabbioneit's not critical09:02
alias[k] Who knows whats up with the EOF's from the Transgaming servers while trying to install CVS Cedega?09:02
Treenaksno of course09:02
fabbionepeople that installs -dbg are supposed to know what they are doing09:02
Treenaksthat's /etc/X11/X right?09:02
fabbioneyes09:02
Treenaksfabbione: #195109:04
fabbioneTreenaks: thanks09:04
tvonAnyone know anything about the abiword packages ?  They seem rather odd09:05
tvon2.0.7+cvs.2004.05.0509:05
tvonsince its an old cvs snap..and 2.0.12 is out anyways09:05
fabbionetvon: nothing wrong09:06
fabbionewe are in deep freeze and we don't upload new upstream versions09:06
fabbioneonly really important bug fixes09:06
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tvon|x31Deep freeze has been on for 4 months?09:06
tvon|x31or is that from Sarge-ish branch?09:07
tvon|x31s/from/from the/09:07
tvon|x31(whenever ubuntu branched off of Testing)09:07
fabbionetvon|x31: once we create the snapshot from Sid/unstable, it is unlike that new upstream versions will enter the archive09:08
fabbionethe snapshot was done approx 4 months ago09:08
tvon|x31ah, gotcha09:08
fabbioneit's not a continuos sync09:08
tvon|x31I know, but since some apps have been updated I wasn't sure why abi wasnt09:08
fabbioneapplications that have been updated are the ones that had serious bug fixed with new upstream release09:09
fabbioneand for ex we couldn't easily backport the fix09:09
fabbioneTreenaks: 1951 -> invalid09:10
fabbioneTreenaks: when you purge -dbg there is a specific warning that says what is going on09:10
fabbioneand we cannot ask questions to user in remove phase because we don't know how much of the system is left09:11
Treenaksfabbione: shouldn't it "detect" xserver-xfree86 still being installed?09:11
fabbioneit does and it tells you09:11
Treenaksoh.. well..09:12
TreenaksI know how to fix it..09:12
fabbione-dbg prerm warning: X sever provided by -dbg is being removed; setting blablab to foobar09:12
fabbione-dbg prerm warning: run "dpkg-reocnfigure xserver-xfree86" before attempting to start X server again09:12
Treenaksah ok09:12
Treenaksnevermind then09:13
fabbionejust hand written on the fly :-909:13
fabbionei have the log on the test machine09:13
knarphhas anyone tried to put Ubuntu on the Via micro-ATX yet?09:18
Treenaksknarph: not micro-atx.. but mini-itx works :)09:19
Treenaksknarph: EPIA M-1000009:19
knarphooooh, really?09:19
Treenaksyes09:19
knarphi was thinking about maing an 'old-school box' with linux, dosbox, and scummvm09:21
knarphmaing/making09:21
Treenaksthat'scool09:21
Treenakstoo bad palette fades don't really work nice in dosbox (I have some old games that do that)09:21
knarphyeah, and it's becoming a cycle hog.09:22
crimsunyay, FLAC 1.1.1 is out.09:23
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fabbionehey linux_mafia !09:23
linux_mafiafabbione, hey man09:23
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linux_mafiaanyone know why xmms dont work no more?09:24
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fabbionelinux_mafia: error?09:26
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linux_mafiasorry if this is more appropriate for #flood09:26
linux_mafialibmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory09:26
linux_mafiaInconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!09:26
fabbioneok09:26
fabbionelinux_mafia: known bug09:26
crimsunyou need libmikmod* installed.09:26
linux_mafiasweet09:27
tbermananyone else seeing kacpid taking like 99% of their cpu after like 20 mintes of uptime?09:27
fabbionelinux_mafia: either you remove nvidia-glx or you install libmikmod09:27
fabbionelinux_mafia: but only nvidia-glx is at fault09:27
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fabbionexmms and libc6 are ok09:27
linux_mafiaoh ok, yeah i installed nvidia last night, just to see, im a munter really cause i only use 2d, just wanted to see if there was a difference09:28
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alias[k] how do i merge a .reg file into wine's fake registry09:30
PoWhmm has anyone gotten a the problem when ./configure'ing certain packages they return XFree86 is needed09:33
PoWalthough it is installed >.>09:33
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joemPoW, probably need a -dev package09:38
PoWhmm09:38
joemx-dev or xlibs maybe09:38
Treenaksxlibs-dev, but what are you trying to compile?09:38
Treenaks(you shouldn't compile if the package is in universal..)09:39
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polokmorning09:41
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fubarhello09:41
Treenakshi09:41
fubargot a prob, fresh install never chose to download packages from the net, now once i reboot and run "apt-get update" it tell me "Reading Package Lists... Done09:42
fubarmichael@mlap:~ $ sudo apt-get update09:42
fubarPassword:09:42
fubarReading Package Lists... Done09:42
fubarlike so09:42
fubarheh09:42
Treenaksfabbione: edit /etc/apt/sources.list to enable the network sources09:42
fubarwho me? (fubar)09:43
Treenaksfubar: uh, yes09:43
fubartnx 09:43
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bob2is sudo supposed to ask for my password everytime?09:43
alias[k] nah09:43
alias[k] only when you start a new console09:43
fabbioneTreenaks: i know you are in love with me :P09:44
Treenaksfabbione: :P09:44
fubarshould i uncomment security?09:44
Treenaksfubar: of course.. security = important09:44
fubarand i can leave universe commented09:44
fubar?09:45
Treenaksif you wish.. 09:45
Treenaksbut then you won't be able to get packages from universe09:45
punkassgnome gurus? :)09:47
punkassi am trying to run an applet09:47
Treenakspunkass: just run it? :)09:48
punkass"OAFIID:GNOME_NautilusMenu".09:48
punkassDetails: Failed to resolve, or extend '!prefs_key=/apps/panel/profiles/default/applets/applet_10/prefs;background=none:;orient=up;size=small;locked_down=false09:48
punkasswell i get that after i select it from the list and say Add09:48
punkassi can run it with the flag of   window   and it opens itself in a little window so i know the app works09:49
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punkassthis was made for 2.6 so i am not sure what is different in 2.809:50
Treenaksdon't know09:51
punkassme either.09:51
punkassdoesnt seem to be much in the land of google either09:51
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fubarthanks peeps09:52
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dyngood morning09:52
frohis shadow passwords supported over NIS?09:53
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fabbioneTreenaks: when do you think you can test again withou libc6-i686?09:57
Treenaksfabbione: around 19:00 CEST09:57
fabbioneTreenaks: ok. i will be happely removing wall paper at that time :-)09:58
dynas a long time linux user (debian, gentoo), i'm looking for a gf-compatible distribution which can be used offline with no net connection09:58
Treenaks:)09:58
dyni've heard about ubuntu on osnews.com09:58
fabbioneTreenaks: if that is not the reason of the crash, please send me a full strace in a gzip file to fabbione@canonical.com09:58
dynbut i didn't yet had the chance to burn it and try out09:58
crimsungf == "girlfriend"?09:58
crimsunor nvidia geforce?09:58
dyncrimsun: girlfriend of cource :)09:59
fabbioneTreenaks: i want see if other stuff is happening as well before the crash09:59
dynand gf-compatible should cover audio/video playback and having dosbox09:59
Treenakscrimsun: ubuntu is gf-compatible :)09:59
crimsundyn: the preview cd is perfectly usable direct from the cd :)09:59
Hrdwr_BoByeah09:59
dynvideo playback including dvd and divx playback too09:59
frohNIS shadow maps works, but does anyone know why Gnome hangs if /home is on NFS09:59
crimsungranted, if it has a fast network connection, you'll be able to pull down updates09:59
frohand i have file locking09:59
Hrdwr_BoBubuntu is highly gf comptable except if your gf is already running debian withn gnome 2.6 and doesn't want you to break her box again09:59
TreenaksHrdwr_BoB: :P10:00
punkasslol10:00
punkassbox10:00
dynHrdwr_BoB: atm she has no linux - i couldn't find any distros which could provide all that features without network10:00
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crimsundyn: even ubuntu will need 'net access for the divx codecs10:00
Hrdwr_BoBoh, it's like .. not network connected at all?10:01
Hrdwr_BoByech10:01
dyncrimsun: can you sum it up which debs i should grab for making it complete for her?10:01
dynHrdwr_BoB: exactly10:01
Hrdwr_BoBdyn: easiest way to do that is to install it and the grab all the debs10:01
Hrdwr_BoBmake it work10:01
Hrdwr_BoBthen burn those debs to a CD10:01
Hrdwr_BoBor remove the machine10:01
Hrdwr_BoBand do the same but skip the CD burning step etc10:02
dynHrdwr_BoB: hmm i dont have a chance to bring her box in here to work10:02
Hrdwr_BoByou don't have net at home?10:02
dynHrdwr_BoB: not at her place10:02
dynwe have better things to do usually =)10:02
Hrdwr_BoByou can't take it to your place?10:02
Hrdwr_BoBhaha10:03
Hrdwr_BoBI dunno10:03
Hrdwr_BoBI live with my fiance10:03
Hrdwr_BoBwe mostly play warcraft against each other or get into stupid fights10:03
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dynhehe bob10:03
dynis it possible to install ubuntu manually?10:04
dyni'd crack it up into a chroot of my gentoo system and check what packages it would need additionally10:04
dyni dont have space for a separate partition though10:04
crimsunthere's a guide on the wiki for installing it using qemu10:05
dynhmm i dont even heard of qemu10:05
crimsuni ran it for a week or so under vmware workstation 4.5.2 on a XP machine at work10:05
dynso in theory i'd need the win32-codec packs10:06
dynis it prepackaged for ubuntu?10:06
Hrdwr_BoBnot as such10:06
dynand i didn't even see mplayer in the mirrors' filelist10:06
Hrdwr_BoBbut get the testing pkgs from marilat10:06
dynHrdwr_BoB: what's marilat?10:06
Hrdwr_BoBgrab the marrilat debs10:06
Hrdwr_BoBhttp://hpisi.nerim.net/\10:06
Hrdwr_BoBhttp://hpisi.nerim.net/10:06
dynwhat's marillat then?10:07
dynhm10:07
crimsunthe former debian developer who packages them10:07
dynah ok10:07
dynshame, but i've left debian completely about 2 years ago10:07
crimsunnerim.net houses the packages since marillat.free.fr couldn't sustain the traffic10:07
dynafter being a true believer user of debian for 4.5+ years10:08
punkasshas anyone done a upgrade lately?10:08
dynwhat about ubuntu's community anyway?10:08
crimsunpunkass: yup, 5 minutes ago10:08
crimsunpunkass: what's up?10:08
punkassive been hearing a few people having problems with gnome loading...so i was worried10:08
dynrecently i'm getting fed up with the amounts of linux newbies getting on gentoo :(10:08
crimsunpunkass: that's resolved10:08
punkasscool thanks10:09
dynit wouldn't be a serious problem (everyone starts somewhere), but gentoo is getting noob-proof features, which it really should not10:09
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crimsungenerally "noob-proof" features are Good Things, since they make maintanence more straight-forward. In any case, there're always Slackware and Debian Sid. :)10:10
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punkassto reload any new gnome apps can i just restart gdm?10:10
dyncrimsun: i mean stuff like `emerge` telling me that emerging an ebuild (source package of gentoo) by hand is dangerous and i shouldn't continue10:10
bob2punkass: just log out and in10:11
dyncrimsun: that's cutting the power of the poweruser10:11
punkassok.10:11
dynwhich aint a Good Thing (tm)10:11
crimsundyn: i would think that warning could be suppressed, no?10:11
bob2dyn: can you overrid it?10:11
dynbob2: it's a warning only, but clearly showing the path to being noobproof10:11
joemdyn, what do you mean by hand?10:11
dyni like it raw, as is :)10:12
joemyou mean emerge /path/to/ebuild10:12
punkassyou just run:  emerge -l33t  and then it doesnt show up10:12
dynjoem: yup10:12
dynhah punkass :)10:12
punkass;)10:12
joemdyn, emerge /path/to/ebuild will mess up your world file and depgraph10:12
dynalso, emerge is kinda crap from a coder's point of view10:12
dynjoem: i dont care the world file anyway10:12
joemyou should really learn how to use emerge the properway10:12
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dynjoem: when did you start to use linux?10:13
ctdI thought I was in #ubuntu10:13
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bob2doesn't this sound more like a #im-leet3r-than-u discussion?10:13
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bob2not to stop you comparing gentoo penis size and all10:13
joemheh10:14
punkasslol10:14
dynthe main point was how to get ubuntu gf-compatible ;)10:14
dynand i'd love to stuck with that topic10:14
ctd"My CFLAGS are longer than yours!"10:14
joemmore of a discussion on useability in general10:14
joemand why it is a good thing10:14
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punkassget totem-xine, libdvdcss, w32codecs10:14
bob2ctd: TongMaster's CFLAGS are the longest in the channel, I reckon10:14
dynpunkass: dosbox? packages?10:14
dyns/packages/packaged/10:15
punkasstotem-xine is. the others are not10:15
dynshe is totally addicted to Colonization (to mention one :)10:15
punkasslegal reasons10:15
ctdbob2: He cheated, just kept adding --funroll-loops multiple times.10:15
bob2haha10:15
bob2-fomit-instructions10:15
punkassi have no idea what that is10:15
joem--skipthe-manpage10:15
smodosbox appears to be in debian-testing, and doesn't appear to require anything you wouldn't find on the ubuntu-cd ( http://packages.debian.org/dosbox )10:16
dyndosbox is a dos emulator, suitable to run old dos games10:16
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dyngreat, smo10:16
dynok, time to burn the iso then10:17
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dynoh well and the italian mirror got the same file (warhog iso) with different date and different md5sum as the uk mirror10:18
dyni recall the .it mirror aint got refreshed but either some date or some version number should be attached to those filenames10:20
crimsuni've been using the same iso i downloaded from the .it mirror a "couple" weeks ago10:20
dyni guess both are ok10:21
smothey look the same here10:21
dynsmo: let me recheck, i d/l-ed it yesterday10:21
smoIt may be worth noting that the UK link on the download page, takes you to a different release .. sounder-9, not warty-preview10:21
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punkasscrimsun: 134 packages updated, smooth as silk10:22
crimsungood stuff.10:22
dyn142875506ad004bb1fe08ad603ce615a  warty-i386.iso - from uk mirror's MD5SUM10:22
dyn9750df59b73428b68e681c3c44b31ff5  warty-i386.iso  - from it mirror's MD5SUM10:22
punkasstho i am still fighting with this silly applet10:22
dynsorry i meant to say warty, not warhog earlier10:23
Treenakswarty warhog?10:23
dyn:)10:23
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Treenaksis that like a war-horse?10:23
dyni just couldnt recall the name, i've first read about ubuntu yesterday10:23
smoyup, 142... matches sounder-test9.  compare the URL's, the UK mirror isn't pointing you to release 4.1010:24
dynnot is english my first language so unfortunately warty makes about the same sense for me :P)10:24
TongMastero/~ my CFLAG's bring all the girls to the bar and they're like, they're better than your's, I could teach bob2 but I'd have to charge o/~10:24
punkasshaha10:24
dynsmo: sounder-test9 should stand for what? is it an older/newer snapshot than warty, or..?10:25
smothe sounder series apear to be snapshots, yes .. 9 is the most recent (more recent than warty)10:25
bob2TongMaster: your ebuilds are on the top of my things to do list10:26
dynso guess it'll make a better choice, right?10:26
punkassomg...an evil casino popup got by firefox!10:26
smonot sure, I haven't tried it.  I think I'd personally stick with releases if I didn't have a network to upgrade myself out of sticky situations10:27
dynyou got point smo10:27
dyni'll dump that iso then and regrab from the .it mirrot10:27
dynmirror, even10:27
TongMasterbob2, I want to spend all your money, at the gaybar, gaybar, gaybar10:27
dyndang i need an other coffee10:27
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bob2hahah10:27
punkasslol10:29
punkassbob2 can u tell me why i cant add an applet...10:29
bob2"cant add an applet"?10:30
punkassi pick it from the list and it Add then get an error msg10:30
bob2right10:31
punkassits not an official applet tho..10:31
bob2please let me guess, instead of telling me the error10:31
jameshpunkass: what does the error message say?10:31
bob2then complain to the applet author10:31
punkasslol just getting it10:31
punkassOAFIID:GNOME_NautilusMenu".10:31
punkassDetails: Failed to resolve, or extend '!prefs_key=/apps/panel/profiles/default/applets/applet_15/prefs;background=none:;orient=up;size=small;locked_down=false10:31
punkassthat comes up on a dialog box10:31
jameshis that it?10:32
punkassbut its in the list so i know its reading the server file ok10:32
jameshit looks like it is missing a bit at the start.10:32
punkassThe panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_NautilusMenu".10:32
punkassDetails: Failed to resolve, or extend '!prefs_key=/apps/panel/profiles/default/applets/applet_16/prefs;background=none:;orient=up;size=small;locked_down=false10:32
punkassDo you want to delete the applet from your configuration?10:32
|trey|punkass: what applet is it?10:33
punkassits called Natulius Menu10:33
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punkassi guy wrote it for 2.6..not sure if there is something i have to change for 2.810:33
|trey|punkass: did you look around on any forum or mailing list for simular problems... or search google for that string?10:34
punkassyeah i did10:34
|trey|punkass: its not in Ubuntu, thus is not supported  :/10:34
punkassgoogle only game up with 8 or 10 things10:34
jameshpunkass: try the following10:34
punkass|trey| thanks.10:34
jameshpunkass: find the applet's executable name under /usr/libexec10:34
jameshpunkass: and run it in a terminal (it shouldn't print anything here)10:35
jameshpunkass: then use the add to panel dialog to add the applet to the panel10:35
jameshif the panel applet prints any weird error messages or crashes, then it is probably the applet's problem.10:35
punkassnope just got the same error10:36
jameshso nothing got printed at the terminal?10:36
punkassnope10:37
punkassjust had to Ctrl-C it to stop it10:37
punkassbut nothing printed10:37
jameshpunkass: well, I'm not sure what is wrong with it then10:38
jameshpunkass: I suggest contacting the author and asking them.10:38
punkassok, well thanks for trying10:38
punkassi did..he said it works fine for him10:38
punkasson 2.6.110:38
punkassits a pygtk applet...i am just trying to find a simple one that works to use as a starting point10:39
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KinnisonMorning all11:00
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mkyc-ubuntumorning..night here :)11:08
smoI'm not sure which to claim it is here .. 5am is 'getting there'11:09
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asamhere in the uk it is 10:12 in the morning, so good morning :)11:12
asamjust installing ubuntu now11:12
notevenhi there.. can anyone tell me in what file x stores user session info? I changed the res when logged in for my main account which essentially killed my dispaly, and everytime I login for this user it resets it to this res11:12
asamits going through the update thingy11:12
bob2noteven: er, did you use xrandar or the gnome randr applet?11:13
notevenumm just the change resolution using the gnome bar at the top.. not sure of the right phrase sorry11:14
smoit appears to be in gconf .. /desktop/gnome/screen/default/0/ houses my res setting11:14
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bob2that's the gnome xrandar applet11:15
togsany network gurus in tonight? :)11:15
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notevenok.. so whats the full path for that file smo11:15
noteventhis in /home/?11:16
bob2it's not a file11:16
bob2it's in gconf.11:16
bob2use gconf-editor.11:16
Evasohi guys is there a live ubuntu cd?11:16
bob2or just use the applet to change it back.11:16
bob2Evaso: yes, read the FAQ.11:16
notevencant use applet.. my res is killed ;) GDM displays fine and thats it11:16
Treenaksbob2: if the resolution does not work, running (as the affected user..) gconftool2 -u /desktop/gnome/screen/default/0/ might work11:16
bob2I didn't get that he/she couldn't even login usefully11:17
Treenaks"changed the res when logged in for my main account which essentially killed my dispaly"11:17
Evasobob2: is the same iso? i had founded only an iso11:17
bob2Evaso: nope.11:17
bob2Treenaks: thought he/she meant it was annoying, not unusable11:17
Treenaksah ok11:18
Treenaksnm then11:18
Evasowhat solution are u using for graphical boot: fbsplah?11:18
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thomEvaso: we're not yet, we have plans for the next release11:19
bob2oh, google lies, my apologies.11:19
Evasothom: here there is something very good and simple for introducing fbsplash (a bugfree rewriting of bootsplash )in a "debian like" system11:21
Evasohttp://homepage.ntlworld.com/d3c3it/html/articles/debian-splash-nonprint.htm11:21
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thomEvaso: yeah, we're doing something like the red hat graphical boot - it's already about halfway done11:22
Evasothom: imho redhat way is not a good solution11:23
Evasothom: fbsplash is solid and will be patch in the upstream kernel from Spock11:23
noteventhanks guys! I was able to load a failsafe term from GDM and use gconf-editor as bob2 suggested to edit the res back11:24
notevenscreen is now readable again :) manythanks11:24
bob2ah, cool11:24
Evasoyou can also use an intramfs for loading modules and have a Graphical boot befor initrd11:24
notevenno need for this windows irc session now, time for a play11:25
thomEvaso: like, not using.11:25
togsis there any info on how to use an ubuntu box to share a net connection, like microsoft ICS?11:26
bob2install the "ipmasq" package.11:27
togsipmasq, ok11:27
Evasothom: so website on debian-desktop are working on porting fbsplash for debian using intramfs11:27
Evasoplease doesn't reinvent the well11:27
thomEvaso: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog_2fusplash11:28
danielsEvaso: the stuff we're planning for hoary is far more extensive than stuff like fbsplash/bootsplash11:28
Treenaksdaniels: 31337 in/out fades :)11:28
Evasodaniels: do u also plan an initrd rewriting (somthing like the old www.fastboot.org project?)11:29
danielsEvaso: i don't think we're planning one, no11:30
Evasodaniels: allowing a computer's services to start in parallel could be a faster boot solution11:31
danielsEvaso: parallelisation doesn't buy you quite as much as not waiting until your dns and mail servers are up to start gdm11:31
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Evasodaniels: but waiting for dhcp11:32
bob2togs: fyi, /msg'ing people without an invitation is considered rude11:33
bob2togs: it's in universe.11:33
togsoky, thanks for heads up11:34
PoWI'm installing xorg for the first time, and I dont see an INSTALL doc anywhere. How would I begin the installation?11:34
bob2I believe synaptic lets you edit that file.11:34
danielsPoW: if you don't really need xorg, building it yourself isn't recommended11:34
togshow do you add the univerese repositry?11:35
PoWhmm alright11:35
Evasowhat do u tink about support an option like "rpm -h" to dpkg?11:35
bob2Evaso: you'd need to explain what that does11:35
bob2togs: edit /etc/apt/sources.list11:35
togsoky, thanks bob211:35
danielsPoW: it's very easy to get it wrong and trash your entire X installation11:35
bob2someone should package it11:35
Evasobob2:   -h, --hash11:35
Evaso              Print  50  hash  marks  as the package archive is unpacked.  Use11:35
Evaso              with -v|--verbose for a nicer display.11:35
PoWAlright, I understand11:35
Evasobob2: could be use to implement a sort of progress bar for installing debian package with frontends like synaptic11:36
togsbob2, do i need ipmasqadm package?11:37
bob2togs: no11:37
Treenaksipmasqadm is ancient, afaik.. iptables is The New Way11:37
bob2yeah11:38
TreenaksAncient as in pre-199711:38
togsso just ipmasq?11:38
bob2I'm surpsied it's even in warty, since it doesn't support 2.2 kernels11:38
danielsipmasq(adm) was 2.0.x, ipchains was 2.2.x, iptables is 2.4.x11:38
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daniels(well, iptables was also 2.3.x, and in theory, you can also administer it from other applications thanks to libiptc, but whatever)11:38
bob2ipmasq is also a package in debian that automagically sets up iptables/ipchains/ipmasq11:38
bob2hm, wasn't 2.0 ipfw?11:39
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thomjblack: yeah, that's a silly one11:39
smoI believe ipfw is freebsd's ?11:40
jblackthom: Hey, I noticed you have two archives, a "normal" one, and a "laptop" one. I was wondering whether or not you considered keeping your archive on a usb flash fob? 11:41
thomjblack: i didn't have such a thing at the time11:42
thomit's an idea, though11:42
togsi've installed ipmasq, what happens now? i'm looking at the network dialog box, but don't really know what to do11:42
togsi've enabled the other interface11:42
scarooscaroo : morning ppl, is there a way in gnome 2.8 to set keystrokes in emacs mode as it was possible in older versions ?11:43
bob2togs: nothing.11:47
bob2togs: it should have done evrything for you11:47
Treenaksscaroo: gconftool-2 -s /desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_key_theme Emacs11:47
PoWhmm11:48
mkyc-ubuntuhow often are people running an apt-get update?  on average11:48
PoWwhen building wine, I get /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXext11:48
scarooTreenaks, thank you dude !11:48
mkyc-ubuntuupgrade i mean not update11:48
mkyc-ubuntubah11:48
PoWthen it errors out after that11:48
jblackmkyc: I do every couple-three days11:48
togsonce I enable the second interface in the network dialog, should be ok?11:48
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thommkyc-ubuntu: whenever i get bored11:49
mkyc-ubuntuthom : yeah a bit like that isnt it - last nights was 93 packages :)11:49
mkyc-ubuntuonly 8mb tonight though11:49
Mayday179 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded.11:50
Mayday:\ was a while since i upgraded it seems...11:50
danielsmkyc-ubuntu: usually sometime before I go to sleep, every couple of days11:50
mkyc-ubuntuit seems11:50
mkyc-ubuntu:)11:51
mkyc-ubuntui used to do SID every week but ubuntu seems to be changing a lot nightly11:51
thomi have a local mirror, so it's respectably fast11:51
mkyc-ubuntui get at least 53kb sec so its not bad11:52
thombut yeah, we're still working pretty fast11:52
mkyc-ubuntuwould hate to do it on dialup :(11:52
crimsunPoW: that's in the libxext-dev package.11:52
mkyc-ubuntuthats a question - does anyone know if gtksee is in the universe?11:52
PoWah thank you11:52
crimsundaniel@Strauss ~ $ apt-cache search gtksee11:53
crimsungtksee - GTK-based clone of ACDSee (an image viewer)11:53
mkyc-ubuntuyou are a scholar and a gentleman11:53
mkyc-ubuntu:)11:53
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asamjust finished installing ubuntu and fist impressions are good.looks and feels professional :)11:56
crimsun:)11:57
togswhere in the world is the option for turning off spatial?11:57
Maydayooh noo... not gonna tell, spatial is sweet :)11:58
joemin the nautilus prefs menu...11:58
togsplease man, it's killing me :)11:58
asamno ftp client installed by default..or am i not looking in the right places?11:58
Maydaygftp i think was installed as default atleast for me11:59
MaydayApplications -> Internet11:59
asamno nothing here11:59
bob2togs: http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/133.html11:59
bob2togs: the very first hit on google for "disable spatial nautilus"11:59
togslol, guess I should google first, sorry guys12:00
Treenaksasam: in a nautilus window -> connect to server12:00
asamhmm nautilus?12:00
Treenaksasam: nautilus = file browser12:01
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asamcant find nautilus sorry12:03
Treenaksasam: nautilus is any directory window12:03
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Treenaksasam: so just open "Disks" or "network" or something like that from the Computer menu12:03
Treenaksasam: then look in the "File" menu for "Connect to server..."12:04
asamok sorry12:04
Treenaksasam: nevermind, it's not really that obvious if you don't know it12:04
asamthanks :)12:04
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pisukek3b cannot find my writer. known bug?12:09
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PoWhmm12:13
PoWI keep getting /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lX1112:13
PoWWhen I attempt to compile wine >.>12:13
danielsapt-get install libx11-6-dev12:14
danielswhy are you trying to compile wine? there are packages12:14
PoWo_o12:16
PoWThere are?12:16
PoWlol12:16
TreenaksPoW: always check first before compiling :)12:16
PoWwell12:16
PoWI did a search in synaptic12:16
crimsun$ apt-cache search wine12:17
PoWNothing12:17
crimsunwine is in universe12:17
TreenaksPoW: add the universe source to your /etc/apt/sources.list (read the comments)12:17
Maydaywhy isnt the Games folder removed in the application menu when it is empty? seems stupid to keep it around when nothing in it12:18
fabbionehey guys12:18
fabbionewho has a via video card and feel brave to do a test?12:18
Treenaksfabbione: I used to have one ;)12:18
smowhen I removed gnome-games, that folder disappeared next time I logged in - not immediately12:18
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fabbioneTreenaks: you are not allowed to :P12:18
Treenaksfabbione: what's the problem? (I can probably test back home)12:18
fabbioneTreenaks: new driver12:19
Treenaksfabbione: the unichrome/sourceforge one?12:19
fabbioneTreenaks: yes12:19
Treenaksfabbione: cool! :)12:19
PoW(wartylog): Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)12:19
fabbioneTreenaks: there have been a lot of rumors that XF86 driver sucks.. 12:19
Treenaksfabbione: can I try on plain debian, or do you really require ubuntu?12:19
fabbioneTreenaks: so i am considering including the unichrome one12:19
crimsunPoW: just try again12:20
fabbioneTreenaks: plain debian is more than fine12:20
PoWsame12:20
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crimsunPoW: those refresh every 30 minutes, so you may have caught it when it's being recreated.12:20
PoWhmm12:20
fabbioneTreenaks: the source tree is the same, what changes really are the maintainer scripts for the autoconfig stuff12:20
Treenaksfabbione: ok, I'll try tonight as well -- if you tell me where I can find it :)12:20
fabbioneTreenaks: but i kept the 2 source trees in sync as much as i could12:20
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fabbioneTreenaks: i will put it on people.ubuntulinux.org/~fabbione/12:21
fabbioneTreenaks: or somewhere around there12:21
Treenaksfabbione: I read the unichrome/sourceforge list and from what I've seen it's a lot better12:21
Treenaksmaybe DDC works now 8)12:21
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danielshow the bloody hell do you break DDC?12:21
Maydaysmo: ok, ill try12:22
Treenaksdaniels: I don't know, but see debian bug #27199312:22
PoWhmm12:22
fabbioneTreenaks: ehehe12:22
PoWstill getting the same thing12:22
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fabbioneTreenaks: it's up now12:26
fabbionehttp://people.ubuntulinux.org/~fabbione/via_drv.o12:26
asamJust want to say thanks guys for a great distro. only used it for about an hour but already feel right at home with it.12:28
crimsun:)12:28
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Treenaksfabbione: TV-out mode doesn't seem to work, I can still try a bit harder though12:29
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Treenaksfabbione: oh it works, but PAL resolution (720x576) is "not found"12:31
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fabbioneTreenaks: was that correct from the previous driver?12:33
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fabbioneTreenaks: other than the log, does it work exactly as you expected?12:33
fabbione(perhpas the log is bogus)12:33
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Treenaksfabbione: I can't see the output now, but I guess it's OK12:46
Treenaksfabbione: DRI and DRM get initialized12:46
Treenaksand the tv-not-working is a modeline issue12:46
fabbioneTreenaks: ok.. please check when you can and send me a mail12:46
Treenaksfabbione: ok12:47
fabbioneTreenaks: i am testing the amd64 and ppc build as well12:47
fabbionethat it builds on i386 isn't enough ;)12:47
Treenaksthere are via's on ppcs?12:47
pisukeis there support for .ace files in fileroller?12:50
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pisukenm, just found unace12:53
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XtremeCooLhello , ubuntu send us the free cd totally no charge at all ?12:57
bob2yup.12:58
XtremeCooLbob2 how about the transport fee ? and how much we order also can ?12:58
bob2XtremeCooL: no shipping fees.12:59
bob2XtremeCooL: how many do you want?12:59
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ba5ehi there i have a quest ion, can anyone help12:59
bob2just ask your question12:59
bob2people will answer if they know01:00
XtremeCooLbob2 i have fill the form , when i can get it ? how they covered their cost ?01:00
bob2XtremeCooL: they're shipping some time after Warty releases in mid-october.01:00
smeggytheyre paying for it01:00
bob2XtremeCooL: Canonical is paying for the CDs and shipping.01:00
smeggyi think its basically to encourage people to try ubuntu01:00
ba5ehow do i mount my fat32 drive in ubunto its on the first hard disk (hda) and its the 4th partition01:01
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XtremeCooLanyone here using ubuntu now ?01:01
crimsunyep01:01
smeggyyep01:01
XtremeCooLwhen i can get the cd ?01:01
smeggyif you want it right now just download it01:01
XtremeCooLsmeggy no way , i have slow connection01:02
smeggyotherwise order it for free and wait until sometime in mid october01:02
XtremeCooLmid october ?01:02
ba5ei downloaded it in 10 minutes! fast connection :)01:02
crimsunba5e: /dev/hda4 or otherwise? check with ``cfdisk /dev/hda''01:02
ba5ethanks!!01:02
XtremeCooLba5e wat ? 10min u can done 500mb ++ ?01:02
ba5eyeah in sweden we have fast connections01:03
XtremeCooLba5e what urs connection speed?01:03
ba5e10mBit is standard01:03
smeggybastards ;)01:03
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XtremeCooLba5e omg!!!!! 10mb?01:04
pittiHi sivang!01:04
Maydaythat isnt true... since the biggest isp for personal use is Telia, and they do not deliver 10Mbit01:04
sivanghi pitti!01:04
XtremeCooLthe fastest line can get here is 2mb only ...01:04
sivang35 RC bugs to go ;)01:04
XtremeCooLwhat is the fastest line in the word?01:04
XtremeCooLworld *01:04
bob2some universities have gigabits01:05
bob2backbones are in the tens of gigabits01:05
ba5eno, but bbb (bredbandsbolaget do through twisted pair direct to your home)01:05
XtremeCooLi have abit outdated ^.^01:05
ba5etelia do up to 8Mbit01:06
XtremeCooLin my brain the fastest connection only 2.4gig01:06
ba5ei have VDSL through www.bostream.se you can get up to 26Mbits!!!01:06
XtremeCooLba5e how much it cost for your connection/01:07
Maydayinternet speed record is 4.23 gigabit / sec01:07
ba5eits 400 crowns, thats about 33 UK pounds01:07
Maydayset by Sprint and the swedish university network01:07
mkyc-ubuntudoes anyone know how to pipe password to sudo - ie for a shortcut or launcher?01:07
ba5enice chatting ppl, laters!01:08
mkyc-ubuntuis there a switch for it01:08
XtremeCooLba5e that cheap01:08
pisukeba5e, uplink speed?01:08
Maydayba5e: its possible to get 100Mbit with BBB01:08
ba5eits symmetirc :)01:08
XtremeCooLfor my 512dl and 128up cost me 30USD01:08
ba5eyeah i know, but thats quite expensive hahaha01:09
pisuke8)01:09
smeggylol01:09
ba5egotta go...l8ers01:09
smeggyyou think 512dl is too slow to download ubuntu?01:09
smeggywtf01:09
zenwhenim downloading it on dialup01:09
XtremeCooLsmeggy my connection share with about 10 pc here01:09
zenwhenstop whining01:09
zenwhenXD01:09
smeggyi downloaded it on dialup yesterday01:09
smeggyonly took overnight + a bit01:10
zenwhenI have really BAD dialup.01:10
zenwhen:(01:10
smeggyaww01:10
XtremeCooLbut i better wait for free cd ^.^01:10
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smeggyits not that bad living on dialup01:10
zenwhennah01:10
smeggyi lived on dialup with gentoo for 3 months :D01:10
XtremeCooLbut all of you here using ubuntu?01:10
smeggyi am XtremeCooL01:10
zenwhenSlack ha made being on dialup pretty easy. Hopefully ubuntu will be similar.01:11
zenwhenhas*01:11
mkyc-ubuntuubuntu here01:11
XtremeCooLsmeggy compare ubuntu with other distro ubuntu really nice ?01:11
smeggyXtremeCooL, definately.01:11
zenwhenSlackware 10 here until I finsih downloading Ubuntu or the disk gets here, whichever comes first.01:11
smeggyprobably the best distro, out of the box, i've ever used01:11
smeggyI formerly used Slackware and Gentoo.01:12
zenwhenUbuntu will have to be pretty amazing to switch me from Slack.01:12
zenwhenBut I have an open mind about it.01:12
smeggyit switched me ;)01:12
XtremeCooLlol .... really ? i think really wanna use ubuntu01:12
XtremeCooLbut i new to linux ^.^01:13
smeggyyou'll be right01:13
zenwhenXtremeCooL, its a nice distro for newbies, or so I have heards.01:13
zenwhenheard*01:13
smeggyif you're willing to learn and don't expect it to be windows, you'll enjoy it and learn01:13
mkyc-ubuntuits a great distro for newbies01:13
XtremeCooLzenwhen really ?01:13
jonohi all01:13
XtremeCooLwow then i have to try01:13
zenwhenYeah, it has a nice installer, and does most of the work for you.01:13
mkyc-ubuntuonce you use apt-get you wont look back01:14
smeggyIt's great for newbies IMO.  Great for "power users" too really.01:14
zenwhenYou may havr ot get down and diry in a coupe of config files, but thats why this channel is here.01:14
mkyc-ubuntuits the greatest01:14
zenwhenhave*01:14
XtremeCooLhehehe ......... so many ppl like ubuntu here01:14
XtremeCooLi may try01:14
XtremeCooLhehehe01:14
XtremeCooLi have fedora core 2 here01:14
crimsuni blew away a FC2 install last night and replaced it with Ubuntu in 8 minutes.01:14
smomkyc-ubuntu, piping passwords is A Very Bad Thing .. the password will end up on ps's process list.  A better alternative is to change /etc/sudoers to add the NOPASSWD flag to the needed commands01:15
smeggyI'm not keen on Fedora/Redhat01:15
smeggyBut then again, I haven't tried it since FC1.01:15
zenwhenFedora Core 2 was a VERY nice distro.01:15
smoie .. "username  ALL=NOPASSWD:  /path/to/command"   will let "sudo command" work without a password, without changing the behaviour for other commands01:15
XtremeCooLbut in fedora core 2 it make easy ,01:15
zenwhenIt takes away too much control though, and is very heavy.01:15
XtremeCooLthen how do i set dual boot ?01:16
smeggyslackware + swaret was OS heaven :P01:16
smeggybut now i think Ubuntu is just as good01:16
mkyc-ubuntuta smo01:16
crimsunthey're all good distros.01:16
zenwhenswaret isnt all that. Its never resolved a dependency for me. Now apt... I'll be loving that.01:17
crimsuni just happen to feel most comfortable with Debian-based ones.01:17
mkyc-ubunture fedora core 1 and 2 i have found both of them to have atg times questionable hardware detection01:17
smeggyi just loved swaret heh01:17
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mkyc-ubuntuand they dont have apt-get either 01:17
mkyc-ubuntuRPM's suck compared to apt01:17
smeggythey can have apt-get01:17
XtremeCooLubuntu using RPM?01:17
mkyc-ubuntuyes but not natively01:17
smeggyno XtremeCooL, ubuntu using debs01:17
crimsunXtremeCooL: ubuntu is Debian-based, so it uses debs.01:17
mkyc-ubuntuapt for fedora isnt out of the box.01:18
crimsunFC2 has yum out of the box.01:18
crimsunyum is fairly nice, too.01:18
zenwhenI used a deb one time and got herpes. Worst hookeer ever.01:18
XtremeCooLhehehe what is yum ?01:18
zenwhenapt-get for Fagdora.01:19
smeggyyum is a package manager like apt01:19
zenwhenoops fedora01:19
crimsunit's yellowdog's manager.01:19
XtremeCooLi totally new , i usually using rpm01:19
smoI found the main difference between apt & rpm, wasn't the tools themselves.  it was simply debian having everything I'd ever need, in one cohesive repositories - rather than multiple repos from different people, that might not always be in sync with eachother01:19
mkyc-ubuntui have never had a missing dependency on apt whereas i have with RPM's01:19
mkyc-ubuntumaybe thats just me01:19
XtremeCooLi hope ubuntu really easy to learn01:20
XtremeCooLwait for the cd01:20
smeggyrpms are hell with a decent manager01:20
smeggy*without01:20
crimsunXtremeCooL: it's quite straight-forward01:20
bob2Debian's biggest advantage is Policy, not dpkg or apt.01:21
bob2ubuntu has that too.01:21
smoI guess that adds the "cohesive" .. thousands of packages that actually work together01:21
mkyc-ubuntui think the key to it is the dedication of the package management teams is what makes it so good01:22
jblackHey, does ubuntu know how to do encrypted root filesystems? 01:22
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XtremeCooLnever mind , always come here for helping ^.^01:23
zenwhenI swear to god Ubuntu has better not install grub without asking me.01:25
zenwhenhad*01:25
mkyc-ubuntuit does01:25
smeggyit .. yes01:25
smeggy:p01:25
mkyc-ubuntufrom memory grub is default01:25
zenwhenThen I wont be instlaling it.01:25
zenwhenIf it installs a boot loader without asking.01:25
zenwhenThats retarded.01:25
mkyc-ubuntuit is not01:26
smeggyyou may be able to stop it with the "Expert" setup01:26
smeggyi didnt try that though01:26
bob2zenwhen: right ,making your system usable is a bad default01:26
mkyc-ubuntuits designed for people to be able to install without having to know all about boot loaders01:26
zenwhenYes, it is. I am instlaling it to try it, not switch to it.01:26
zenwhenI want control over the setup process.01:26
zenwhenIm not a kid.01:26
mkyc-ubuntuexpert has the ability to do that01:26
zenwhenok01:26
bob2zenwhen: then use the expert install option01:26
zenwhenThen Ill do that.01:27
bob2you not reading the manual is not a reason for the defaults to change01:27
zenwhenI thought you were saying I didnt have a choice.01:27
mkyc-ubuntuzenwhen, i understand but the reality is most beginners and newbies do not understand a boot loader01:27
zenwhenbob2, what are you talking about?01:27
mkyc-ubuntuand thus the normal mode means they dont need to, expert allows control01:27
zenwhenI always read tha manueal, as I dont want things decide for me.01:27
zenwhendecided*01:27
bob2zenwhen: then you'd know about the expert mode.01:27
mkyc-ubuntureading the manual is a good idea :)01:27
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XtremeCooLubuntu installation for GUI?01:35
bob2ubuntu installs a GUI, yes.01:35
mkyc-ubuntugnome 2.801:35
zenwhenGnome 2.8.01:35
mkyc-ubuntu:)01:35
zenwhenThere really isnt a better GUI out there.01:36
zenwhenKDE is laughable.01:36
mkyc-ubuntuKDE is painfully over complex and slow01:37
mojoXig CDE is the best for workstation01:37
XtremeCooLi mean when install just follow the step like install windows?01:37
mkyc-ubuntuyes XtremeCooL01:37
mkyc-ubuntupretty much01:37
mkyc-ubuntuunless you are like zenwhen and have other needs its that simple01:37
mojoCDE is simple, super fast, secure and stable and the most important is certified to run all pro unix program01:37
XtremeCooLmkyc-ubuntu when install ubuntu , does it ask us wanna dual boot or not ?01:38
zenwhenYeah, since you dont have a perfectly working lilo install, you dont need to worry.01:38
mojoCDE is 10 times lighter than GNOME and KDE, it runs 10 times faster (b/c Motif does not take resourses much)01:38
smeggyits also dead ugly ;)01:38
bob2also CDE is fucking ugly01:38
mojotrue, CDE is ugly01:38
bob2and horrible to use01:38
zenwhenI dont need a light DE. 01:38
Mithrandirmojo: if you have a decent computer, gnome and kde are both fast enough.01:38
mojobut if u want a WM for critical task01:39
mojolike military program01:39
zenwhenI dindt pay for high end hardware to run a stripped down ugly DE01:39
mojoor huge oil anal program01:39
mojowhich u go for?01:39
zenwhendidnt*01:39
mojoheavy GNOME or CDE?01:39
bob2not CDE01:39
bob2twm.01:39
mojowhat!01:39
mojotwm!!!01:39
mojolol!01:39
mojoman...01:39
Mithrandirbob2: wms are for weenies anyhow01:39
mojotwm is too simple too simple01:39
mkyc-ubuntui like blackbox/fluxbox myself01:39
danielsehm, could we please conduct desktop environment/window manager/x vs console wars in #offtopic?01:40
bob2twm is far less shit than mwm.01:40
zenwhenGnome 2.8 is a nice well thought out DE. 01:40
mkyc-ubuntuits what i use on my SID box01:40
bob2hah01:40
mojohey01:40
mojoI heard01:40
zenwhendaniels, what else were we talking about?01:40
mojothere is a RedHat CDE in the past rite?01:40
mojosomething01:40
mojoTriLeaft CDE01:40
mojoor TriPink CDE something Tri---- CDE01:41
danielszenwhen: all those wars are notoriously unconstructive. they don't get anywhere, they're pointless, and you won't convince anyone.01:41
mojoyes daniels01:41
mojowar is pointless01:41
mojoBush lied01:41
mkyc-ubuntutrue but we were not really having a war01:41
mojoJohn Howard lie01:41
mkyc-ubuntujust a chat01:41
bob2that's even more off-topic01:41
mkyc-ubuntu:)01:41
mojoTony Blair lied01:41
zenwhendaniels, people like to defend their DE of choice. I was just being right and advocating Gnome 2.8. XD01:41
smeggygo chat about this stuff in #politics guys01:41
danielsmojo: dude, #politics01:41
mkyc-ubuntugod yes, no politics in here01:42
zenwhenyeah01:42
mkyc-ubuntuwith an election this weekend in AU im sick to the guts of it all01:42
danielsplease -- no more politics, de/wm/console wars, any of that stuff in here.  anyone got anything relevant to ubuntu?01:42
mkyc-ubuntunext weekend i mean01:42
zenwhenpolitics in a linux channel is a badddd idea01:42
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smeggyyeah01:42
danielsmkyc-ubuntu: (yes, I know, I have to deal with it also, but #Politics!)01:42
smeggyso is religion.. i mean those vim vs. emacs arguments can get pretty bad ;)01:42
Treenakssmeggy: nano!01:43
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zenwhennano01:43
XtremeCooLubuntu basic are the same with other distro?01:43
mkyc-ubuntuthere have to be 2 things i cant stand, politics and mindless MS/chosen distro/gui disucssions01:43
mkyc-ubunturofl @ nano01:43
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mkyc-ubuntu:P01:43
smeggy:D01:43
smeggyi'm pretty editor/DE/distro/religion/politics agnostic01:44
smeggyreally01:44
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mkyc-ubuntuim the same smeggy01:44
afonithey guys, if there is anyone else that likes keyboardshortcuts, I have a question, I don't like to have the menu on my bar, but to bring it up with a keyboard shortcut, in ubuntu, they split up the menu into "applications and Computer" so when you set the shortcut menu for "show the panel menu" it only pulls up the applications and not the computer01:44
afonitanyone know how to keyboard shortcut to the computer menu part of applications01:44
Se7hAway: ( @School ) | Since: ( Fri Oct  1 12:45:26 2004 ) Xlack v1.8-pre2.01:45
smeggythere!01:45
smeggymy desktop is now perfect01:45
MithrandirSe7h: please, turn off public away and please, no colors.01:46
XtremeCooLsmeggy how can u say ur desktop now is perfect?01:46
XtremeCooLshow me01:46
mkyc-ubuntufrankly discussios on things like windows vs linux leave me bored..01:46
smeggylol01:46
smeggyperfect for me ;)01:46
mkyc-ubuntuscreenshot :)01:46
daniels(so do meta-discussions of windows vs linux)01:46
smeggyokay okay lol01:46
XtremeCooLshow us smeggy01:46
XtremeCooLneed prove01:47
mkyc-ubuntudaniels, the major reason why i dont read slashdot anymore is that one :)01:47
smeggyhttp://www.tbmn.net/ubuntu/01:47
smeggythere you go01:47
mkyc-ubuntuyeah screenshots of desktops.. will help the newbies :)01:47
afonitdo you guys know how to get the 'desktop preferences and system configuration" menu's to come up with a desktop shorcut?01:47
smeggyafonit, no, but i wish i did01:47
afonitya, that is my ONLY complaint01:48
afonitsince installing ubuntu01:48
XtremeCooLmkyc-ubuntu why u say screenshots of desktop will help newbiez ?01:48
smeggybecause they can see how much prettier a linux de is than windows ;)01:48
moyogomkyc-ubuntu: open preferences:// in nautilus01:49
XtremeCooLi using windows now , i feel linux suk if i'm a gamer ? hehehe01:49
moyogomkyc-ubuntu: sorry i mean afonit01:49
mkyc-ubuntuno worries01:49
afonitk, did that01:50
smeggycan anyone recommend a good gnome icon set?01:50
moyogoafonit: you can make a shortcut/link/launcher to preferences://01:50
afonitso how can I move that preferences to the applications menu?01:50
afonitoh01:50
Zomb-who is the strategical chief in Canonical Ltd.? Whom to ask about their/your ideas about release sceduling WRT Debian's release schedule?01:50
mkyc-ubuntuXtremeCooL, because it does help new users to see how it looks i find01:51
Zomb-Mithrandir: any hint?01:51
moyogoafonit: you can add stuff to the Applications menu by opening applications://01:51
danielsZomb-: canonical's strategic chief is Mark Shuttleworth, the release manager is Jeff Waugh01:51
XtremeCooLmkyc-ubuntu , i'm new user too , but i like windows interface01:51
Zomb-daniels: thanks01:52
danielsZomb-: no worries01:52
smeggymark seems like a pretty cool guy01:52
MithrandirZomb-: what daniels says; jdub, sabdfl would be good people to talk to.01:52
mkyc-ubuntuthis is my boring screenshot : http://www.monkeyc.net/images/Screenshot-2.png01:52
XtremeCooLomg ? u guy have own webserver?01:53
TreenaksXtremeCooL: what's strange about that?01:54
mkyc-ubuntu? 01:54
bagpuss_XtremeCooL: doesn't everyone?01:54
mkyc-ubuntuyeah well i host my domain on a server01:54
mkyc-ubuntumy ISP doesnt allow webservers01:54
HcEmkyc-ubuntu: put it up on a different port?01:54
bagpuss_my ISP allows it, but my upstream bandwidth is limited here, so I have a colo01:54
XtremeCooL^.^ i dont have a webserver , i dont know how to make but i want01:54
Treenaksmkyc-ubuntu: I just bought a server and put it in a colocation centre for EUR 20/month01:54
bagpuss_XtremeCooL: buy hosting from someone.  (I sell hosting</shameless pimp))01:55
XtremeCooLhow to make host own webserver with own domain name ?01:55
mkyc-ubuntuHcE, i could but its only costing me $50Au a year to host it where it is01:55
mkyc-ubuntulol @ shameless pimping01:55
XtremeCooLno money to buy i make own01:55
XtremeCooLbetter01:55
XtremeCooL^.^01:55
XtremeCooLcan learning too01:55
bagpuss_XtremeCooL: buy a domain name and setup a webserver/buy hosting01:55
mkyc-ubuntudomain names are damn cheap01:55
mkyc-ubuntuand hosting can be had from $20US a year for a good host with decent speeds01:56
XtremeCooLi want buy a domain name and host in my own pc01:56
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mkyc-ubuntuor cheaper for a bad one :P01:56
XtremeCooLcan i ? cause i cant afford cause my income too low01:56
mkyc-ubuntuyou can do that as well01:56
bagpuss_XtremeCooL: that's not true.  You get neither a good host *or* decent speed for that kind of money01:56
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Treenaksmkyc-ubuntu: $20/year -- but do you get to put your own server in an airconditioned server-room for that? :)01:56
XtremeCooLbagpuss_ to host a personal website it i think 512dl and 128up is enuff01:57
bagpuss_you get cheap hosting which is "good enough" for low traffic for that01:57
bagpuss_XtremeCooL: yes, it is.  You have a static IP?01:57
TreenaksI have 100mbit link, with 20gbyte/month max. traffic, for those 20 euros/month01:57
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bagpuss_Treenaks: I have 100mbit/250G/mo traffic and a server (I rent it rather than own) for E95/mo. It's not the cheapest, but I like it :001:58
XtremeCooLbagpuss_ i dont have , but over net there got alot free dns for us to use01:58
XtremeCooLbagpuss_ so i dont need statics ip01:58
bagpuss_XtremeCooL: there are dyndns type things, yes.01:58
smeggyhmm i wish ubuntu had a newer version of xchat in their repo 01:59
Treenaksbagpuss_: I own my own server (1u).. I can get 100G for EUR 50/month01:59
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XtremeCooLwww.no-ip.com hehe01:59
bagpuss_Treenaks: nice01:59
Treenaksbagpuss_: www.transip.nl01:59
thomi pay 60GBP/quarter to be one hop from LINX ;-) 01:59
XtremeCooLbut i dont know how to setup02:00
XtremeCooLhave to learn02:00
XtremeCooLsad02:00
bagpuss_Treenaks: I'm sure it's lovely, but I don't speak Foreign, sorry02:00
bagpuss_XtremeCooL: it's really not that hard.  Install apache.  Setup DNS to point at you.  02:00
Treenaksbagpuss_: oh they don't send out an English page base don Accept-Language? weirdness02:00
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kammeQuestion, does ubuntu have laptop support? I don't want to download 500Megs and find out apm isn't supported ;)02:01
XtremeCooLbagpuss_ i'll try ...02:01
smeggyyes kame02:01
smeggy*kamme02:01
Treenakskamme: apm and acpi are supported02:01
kammeok, thanks :)02:01
smeggyis there any way to enable highmem support without rolling my own kernel?02:01
XtremeCooLsmeggy u have bought ur own domain?02:01
smeggyXtremeCooL, I run a webhost :P02:02
thomsmeggy: the 686 and k7 kernels have highmem02:02
smeggyheh02:02
smeggyokay02:02
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thom(and the 686/k7-smp kernels, naturally)02:03
XtremeCooLsmeggy u setup ur own ? u have statis ip?02:04
smeggyok forgive me if this is stupid question, 686 work on Athlon XP?02:04
smeggyXtremeCooL, no, I just rent a bunch of servers.02:04
thomsmeggy: that's k702:04
smeggyhrm02:04
smeggyoh yeah02:04
thomsmeggy: but yes, it should work anyway02:04
smeggyi was thinking that it was k602:04
smeggyi too tired 02:04
XtremeCooLlol smeggy why dont make ur self?02:04
smeggythanks mate02:04
thomnp02:04
bagpuss_XtremeCooL:why don't you go to: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/ and start reading?02:04
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XtremeCooLbagpuss_ i not on linux now02:05
XtremeCooLi'm a gamer too ^.^02:05
bagpuss_XtremeCooL: it's a website, you can read it from windows02:05
bagpuss_it even works in Internet Explorer02:05
smeggyyou can't really say anything works in IE ;)02:06
bagpuss_smeggy: hehe02:06
mkyc-ubuntulol was waiting for that02:06
bagpuss_it works well enough in IE02:06
mkyc-ubuntui use firefox on pc's02:06
bagpuss_it works in forefox too02:06
bagpuss_firefox even02:06
smeggyhell, it even works in links02:06
smeggyor lynx02:06
XtremeCooLlynx good ?02:06
thomw3m better02:06
XtremeCooLfirefox is the best for me02:06
mkyc-ubuntulynx !02:06
mkyc-ubuntui havent used lynx in years02:07
thomw3m-img best02:07
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smeggyI think you need to do some reading about the world of alternative software XtremeCooL...02:07
thom(but very, very sick)02:07
XtremeCooLsmeggy what ???? hehehe02:07
bagpuss_XtremeCooL: it works in $BROWSER.  It's completely agnostic.  You could probably read it using netcat if you had a mind to!  You *do* need to read it though02:07
smeggyuse curl to get it02:08
smeggyand read it in vim02:08
smeggyjust read it02:08
smeggy:P02:08
XtremeCooL^.^ my english very poor02:08
bagpuss_either that or you need to abandon the idea of running your own webserver and buy hosting (preferably from me, but that's optional)02:08
smeggyor me02:08
XtremeCooLhehehe02:08
smeggy;)02:08
XtremeCooLfor me make own02:08
zenwhenor him02:08
XtremeCooLnever give up02:09
smeggynever surrender02:09
mkyc-ubuntuurggh this doco is good but really.. film of a river of sewage ?02:09
zenwhennever eat before you swim02:09
smeggyok02:09
smeggybai all02:09
XtremeCooLbut if i fight at the end still cant get it , i'll kill my self02:09
XtremeCooLhehe02:09
smeggyi need some sleep02:09
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ds2hornerI'm a first timer - trying to configure synaptic to use debian test -  any suggestions02:09
XtremeCooLhehehehe02:09
bagpuss_XtremeCooL: start reading02:09
zenwhenoh linux kils you if you mess up, so you wont have to02:09
Treenaksds2horner: you want universe, not debian testing02:10
XtremeCooLbagpuss_ i'll try ...02:10
XtremeCooLi just try02:10
smeggy[zZz] no02:10
bagpuss_there is no try02:10
smeggy[zZz] linux wouldnt do anything so wasteful as to kill you02:10
ds2hornerunivers bittorent doesn't work02:10
bagpuss_there is do, and there is not do...there is no try02:10
smeggy[zZz] it recycles you02:10
smeggy[zZz] soylent green mmm02:10
ds2hornertest has a improved 02:10
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XtremeCooL^.^02:10
ds2hornerdebian test has an improved bittorrent (and rosegarden)02:11
ds2hornerby the way - thanks for being here02:12
thomds2horner: use bittornado, universe has the very latest02:12
mkyc-ubuntuXtremeCooL, just go with linux and try it with an open mind, you wont be dissapointed02:12
ds2hornerOK thanks thorn02:12
mkyc-ubuntube prepared to learn and ask questions and you will have no problems, there are always people willing to help02:12
thomi wish people would use non-sucky fonts :-)02:12
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XtremeCooLmkyc-ubuntu i know that, cause some of my friend starting swtich to linux02:13
mkyc-ubuntupersonally i use both windows and linux here02:13
XtremeCooLi use linux and window here too02:14
mkyc-ubuntumind you i get paid to work on windows ..02:14
XtremeCooLwindows for gaming02:14
XtremeCooLmkyc-ubuntu what u work as?02:14
mkyc-ubuntunetwork admin02:14
XtremeCooLoh... mkyc-ubuntu where u from?02:14
mkyc-ubuntulol this is like ASL :)02:15
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XtremeCooLmkyc-ubuntu what u mean this like ASL?02:15
mkyc-ubuntuahh new to irc?02:15
mkyc-ubuntuASL is the old IRC standby - stands for Age Sex Location - its the first thing most newbies ask in IRC chatrooms02:16
bagpuss_don't go asking it though02:16
mkyc-ubuntui advise against it, many ops dislike02:16
bagpuss_it will get you kicked out of many - less forgiving - technical channels02:16
mkyc-ubuntui tend to kick on principle on channels im op in :)02:16
XtremeCooLhehehe mkyc-ubuntu i not new to irc , but i seldom asking ppl ASL02:17
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XtremeCooLno ops here?02:17
mkyc-ubuntudunno02:17
mkyc-ubuntubloody hot here for spring02:18
thomthere are ops, yes. they're not opped tho02:18
bagpuss_mkyc-ubuntu: me too02:18
mkyc-ubuntu10pm and still 24 degrees... another QLD summer coming i fear02:18
Treenaksmkyc-ubuntu: you.. you.. southern-hemispherian! :)02:19
mkyc-ubuntulol02:19
thommkyc-ubuntu: we can swap if you want... 13:20 and 15C here ;-)02:19
mkyc-ubuntulol02:19
XtremeCooLm... no ops is good02:19
XtremeCooLcause i hate those ops kick ppl02:19
mkyc-ubuntuwe get summers with temps of 40c and 90% humidity here02:19
XtremeCooL^.602:19
mkyc-ubuntui think id prefer the 15c :)02:20
XtremeCooLhehehe me 1002:20
XtremeCooLbut over here wont get 1002:20
mkyc-ubuntuwhere are you XtremeCooL?02:21
thommkyc-ubuntu: yeah, i was in cairns in december a few years back02:22
thomfar too humid02:22
mkyc-ubuntunice aint it02:22
mkyc-ubuntu:(02:22
XtremeCooLmkyc-ubuntu malaysia gegege02:22
thomand you can't even go swimming (in the sea, anyway)02:22
mkyc-ubuntunope02:22
mkyc-ubuntubox jellyfish02:22
thomyeah. silly place :-)02:23
mkyc-ubuntuwe all have pools here, 2 air cons in the house02:23
mkyc-ubuntui own 2 jackets and 1 jumper :)02:23
mkyc-ubuntuand never wear them, winter here is 10c02:23
mkyc-ubuntuon a cold day02:23
mkyc-ubuntumind you in melb it gets below 002:24
XtremeCooLhehehe anyone can go about 60c pool?02:24
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ds2hornerthorn: thanks bittornado is working02:29
XtremeCooLds2horner : azureus better then bit tornado02:30
thomds2horner: dude. 't''h''o''m'02:31
ds2hornerany suggestions on how to configure synaptic to use debian test - I hope to get revised rosegarder402:31
thomds2horner: we strongly recommend you don't02:31
mkyc-ubuntuits not a good idea02:31
thomif you need an updated package, file a trivial bug and we may be able to get the new version into universe for you02:31
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ds2hornerXtremeCooL: is azureus in universe?02:32
mkyc-ubuntudoes not appear to be02:33
XtremeCooLds2horner , i just know azureus better than bit torando alot , but u need install java 1st02:33
bob2azureus isn't in Debian, either02:33
bob2since it needs a non-free jdk02:33
mkyc-ubuntubut bittornado works well for me id advise staying with it02:33
bob2er, jre.02:33
mkyc-ubuntuurk 02:33
XtremeCooLmkyc-ubuntu i using azureus , it working fine too ,02:34
ds2hornerI'm willing to have things break - I've installed UBUNTU specifically to get rosegarden4 going02:34
XtremeCooLhehehe never mind , ds2horner ur own choose02:34
mkyc-ubuntuXtremeCooL, yes but the non free java means it wont get into some distros including debain and ubuntu02:35
XtremeCooLdebian cant install java?02:35
ds2hornerthom :hoe do I go about asking for rosegarden4 9.9?02:35
jordiXtremeCooL: it's non-free02:36
thomds2horner: you file a bug in bugzilla (see topic) as an enhancement and request it02:36
ds2hornerthom: thanks02:37
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hkcc2anyone here able to print to a windows printer on their network?02:49
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topylihkcc2: dunno, i have the opposite problem. i've been trying to get the win box to print to my samba printer :)02:50
topyliused to work with unstable :\02:50
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hkcc2topyli: i got that direction working in the past too02:51
topylii wonder what can be different between debian samba and ubuntu samba02:51
hkcc2i hope its not a bug02:52
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topylii'd love to hear it's my own fault :)02:52
Sam0rarg02:52
Sam0rcan someone seriously help me02:53
hkcc2Sam0r: what's the prob02:53
Sam0rive downloaded ubuntu, and installed it etc, but when i login to gnome, it just sits at the loading screen02:53
rsilvaI am trying to file a bug report. Does anyone know what is the component resposible for adding the keyboard section to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4?02:53
plovsSam0r, go to console, login kill bonobo and it will work02:54
Sam0ri cant do fsck because i cant login to the root account because i couldnt find out how to set a password02:54
Sam0rah ok *hopes he doesnt need to be root*02:54
plovsSam0r, you do not need to be root02:54
topyliSam0r: use sudo02:54
Sam0rcheers02:54
rsilvaSam0r: To access root previlegies use "sudo"02:54
Sam0ryeah sudo doesnt work either:S02:54
Treenaksfor sudo, use your own password02:54
plovsSam0r, can you log in on the console as yourself?02:55
Sam0ryeah i can02:55
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rsilvaSam0r: And you must be the first user created on the system.02:55
Sam0ryeah i am02:55
plovsthen type ps ax | grep onobo02:55
plovsbonobo02:55
Treenaksyou can killall bonobo stuff with bonobo-slay02:55
jayeolai've just got ubuntu installed on another system.... it looks nice!02:55
plovsTreenaks, just as long as it dies :)02:56
jayeolavery simple gui menu, but what's with the sudo thing? why can't i just 'su'? 02:56
Sam0ryeah i think u shud be able to su02:56
Treenaksjayeola: read the FAQ02:56
Sam0ri see why its disabled though02:57
TreenaksSam0r: why? you can sudo.. you can do everything you need to do..02:57
rsilvajayeloa: They want to encourage you not to become root permanently.02:57
jayeolaaha - heh! will do02:57
rsilvajayeloa: You can sudo -s to get a root shell though.02:57
jayeolahas anyone successfully been able to dual boot with ubuntu yet?02:57
rsilvajayeola: ubuntu + windows: yes.02:57
plovsjayeola, works ok here02:58
housetierjayeola, yes02:58
smoditto02:58
Sam0ryes but sudo serioulsy doesnt do anything02:58
jayeolai have/am/ been able to sudo, with all of the options, just wondered on the develpoer's philosophy of steering ppl away from being root02:58
bob2jayeola: to stop people breaking their systems02:58
bob2Sam0r: you can su if you really want to02:59
topylii haven't been root for ages on any distro02:59
bob2it's just considered a bad way to do things02:59
Sam0rif i type.. say 'sudo nano /etc/hosts' it asks for the password (which i dont know so i just hit return) and it just takes me back to the command prompt02:59
Treenaksjayeola: running less stuff as root = less chance a script will run as root = less chance of breaking/viruses/etc.02:59
bob2Sam0r: enter *your* password02:59
TreenaksSam0r: it asks for YOUR password02:59
Sam0rah ok02:59
plovsjayeola, as long as the paths are ok, there really is no need for being root anymore02:59
bob2Sam0r: and please read the FAQ before ranting02:59
Treenaksnot the root password02:59
Sam0rim not ranting!02:59
topylii am :)02:59
Sam0ranyway, ive killed bonobo etc and it still wont let me get into gnome03:00
Sam0rbut im not really bothered, i only want to use it as a webserver03:00
jayeolathat's cool. no dramas. it was obvious and easy to spot that the developer's didn't/don't want ppl to be root any more03:00
Sam0rsounds a bit dodgy to me :/03:01
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pisukek3b is not detecting my CD writer in ubuntu. known bug?03:02
rsilvaDoes anyone know what component is responsible to write the keyboard section to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4? Is it xserver-xfree86?03:02
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jayeolai see that emacs is installed.... i know that emacs is the daddy of the editors, but it's huge :)03:02
topyliSam0r: what if you create another user? perhaps they could log in. i mean gnome 2.8 may be angry with some of your leftover config files03:02
pisukei can write with nautilus03:02
pisukeweird03:02
rsilvaSam0r: sudo -s gets the shell too and is shorter :-)03:02
smowhy dodgy?  using root anymore than needed always was a bad habit.  using sudo each and every time just makes you that bit more concious of when you're using it03:03
bob2amen03:03
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topylijayeola: editor? oh yeah, emacs has one of those too =)03:04
Sam0rjayeola: its a fresh install, ive done nothing at all with it yet03:04
Sam0rrsilva: sudo -s didnt work for me 03:04
[rain] how do I change the default language? I happend to choose swedish by accident on install. the lang prefs aren't there in gnomes system prefs03:04
Sam0ranyway03:04
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jayeolaimho, vi has an easier learnig curve than emacs03:05
pisuke[rain] , you can choose language at the login screen03:05
topylijayeola: sure. it's just an editor. emacs is huge like you say.03:05
[rain] ah, thanks :)03:06
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plovsSam0r, did you make sure it is really dead, I had to kill it more then once, once03:06
[rain] btw, I'd just like to say to the developers that you are doing a great job :)03:06
plovsjayeola, that is a *very* relative comparison :)03:06
jayeolatrue plovs ....03:06
jayeola<ctrl> this <esc> that <alt> that....03:07
topyliyep. that's how it works :)03:08
jayeolabut still, respect to richard stallman for inventing it and making it free/open source03:09
Treenaksjayeola: I'm sure he'd call it free software, not open source :)03:09
jayeolaum, yeah03:09
plovsjayeola, and people who are fast in it are *really* fast03:10
jayeola?03:10
jayeolai bought a book called "learning gnu emacs" and soon gave up. vi for me i guess, but each to there own03:10
plovsjayeola, i mean you can literally do everything in it (except for the coffee thing)03:10
topyli"emacs is the operating system, linux just provides the device drivers"03:11
smothere is/was a coffee-HOWTO .. I'm sure you could extend that to emacs with a little effort ;o)03:11
jayeolayah i've haedr that an the book says/demonstrates as much. but there are like so many commands... and i want them alll03:11
jayeolasmo: yeah i've seen that coffee-how2 at http://tldp.org03:12
plovsjayeola, emacs was not really meant for mortals03:12
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plovsjayeola, besides linus doesn't use it :) (so nor do I)03:12
topylicoffee.el --- Submit a BREW request to an RFC2324-compliant coffee device03:12
topylihttp://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el03:12
plovstopyli, wow!03:13
topyliyes =)03:13
jayeolasudo tea --sugar ??03:13
smoof course, no-one ever writes RFCs for teapots03:13
plovssmo, well, they wrote an RFC for pigeons, so you never know03:14
jayeolabrb, off to read the ubuntu faqs and stuff03:14
jayeolabty what's the regocnised abbreviation for ubuntu?03:14
topyliplovs: although i don't know which "coffee devices" are RFC2324-compliant. also, coffee.el requires a special BREW-capable version of emacs :)03:15
tsengwarthogs are excellent typists03:15
tsengso we dont abbreviate things.03:15
jayeola!03:15
smoand it's such a fun word03:15
bob2I don't think it can be usefully abbreviated03:16
plovstopyli, you see? it's vim for us, no such emacs fits in my machine03:16
plovstseng, are you the mono-tseng?03:17
Mithrandirplovs: he is03:17
plovstseng, where can we send bug-messages for your packages (which are very much appreciated btw)03:18
tsengum03:18
tsengis your bug with monodevelop?03:18
plovstseng, yes...03:18
tsengwhen you click new?03:18
plovstseng, it is very unclickable, it doesn't run at all03:19
jayeolahmm. i can't sem to be able to install lynx (the text browser) with apt-get/synaptic....03:19
jayeola-seem-03:19
Treenaksjayeola: what does apt tell you03:19
bob2tseng: if I built for ppc, would you host the .debs?03:19
mkyc-ubuntui had no issues03:19
mkyc-ubuntuhave you added universe to sources.list03:20
mkyc-ubuntu?03:20
plovsjayeola, what does apt-cache search lynx find?03:20
mkyc-ubuntuahh sorry. i dont use synaptic03:20
mkyc-ubuntujust apt03:20
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plovstseng, cannot open assembly ./MonoDevelop.exe ,etc03:21
tsengyeah what happened there03:21
tsengit was tested and working, promise.03:21
tsengbroke here now also03:21
sbartleyHello.  Can someone tell me what tools are avail for viewing usb devices in Ubuntu?  I have a usb multicard reader which I would like to use but can't seem to find a tool that will show the devices as the cards are inserted.03:21
plovstseng, sorry, didn't mean to 03:21
Treenakssbartley: just insert the cards, they should show up on your desktop03:22
sbartleydid insert card and did not show up on desktop.03:22
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sbartleycard reader shows green light of active use but nothing on the desktop.03:22
jayeolasbartley: try 'sudo tail /var/log/messages/ or 'dmesg'03:23
jayeolathat should show what the box can see/detects03:23
tsengplovs: yo03:25
tsengplovs: the deps are a little off somewhere03:25
tsengplovs: apt-get build-dep monodevelop03:25
tsengplovs: tell me if that fixes.03:25
sbartleyjayeola, nothing shows usb.  shows sdc:03:25
plovstseng, thanks, brb03:25
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tsengit doesnt depends on gtk-sharp03:26
jayeolasbartley: um, dunno.03:26
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plovssbartley, that's correct it should show sd<something>03:27
plovssbartley, can you mount sdc by hand?03:27
oGsplease, as to make to modify the menu?03:27
jayeolathat's strange, i can't reach ubuntu.org from the ubuntu box...03:28
jayeolacan't host/ping/firefox03:28
Mithrandirjayeola: www.ubuntulinux.org, not ubuntu.org03:29
sbartleyplovs, will try. just a sec03:29
jayeolaMithrandir: tried that too ' ping www.ubuntulinux.org03:30
jayeolaand that machine gives| unkown host03:30
Mithrandirtry traceroute 129.241.93.4903:31
jayeolavery pingable/hostable from this box though....03:31
jayeolaroger that Mithrandir 03:31
jayeolathat machine has a `traceroute6` command`?03:32
jayeolafrom this machine:- ubuntulinux.org has address 82.211.81.13003:33
jayeolanothing from the ubunto box :(03:33
Mithrandirinstall the traceroute package, then03:33
jayeolak03:34
Mithrandirjayeola: run "sudo route -n"03:34
Mithrandiryou'll have a line similar to:03:34
Mithrandir0.0.0.0         10.1.0.1        0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 eth003:34
Mithrandirthe second field is your gateway, try pinging that.03:34
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plovstseng, that fixed it, thanks03:35
tsengok03:35
tsenghey do you still have the message03:35
tsengi think its missing two things, i only have one03:36
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plovstseng, the error message when it didn't work?03:36
jayeolasudo apt-get install trcaeroute... struggling to reach archive.ubuntu.com03:36
tsengplovs: yes.03:36
daldermanhey guys, I'm still not getting any mail from ubuntu bugzilla?03:37
thomjayeola: you should have mtr installed, use that03:37
daldermanthe bug has been ,arked as solved (bug #1757)03:37
thomdalderman: it was resolved as a dup03:37
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plovstseng, should I message it?03:37
tsengemail please03:37
thomdalderman: we're waiting on our provider to give us reverse dns, can't do anything about your mail other than that03:38
daldermanthom: the one I entered was, but 1757 was the original, and is marked as fixed03:38
plovstseng, where?03:38
tsengbrandon AT smarterits.com03:38
daldermanthom: oh ok03:38
daldermanthom: now I know that's cool03:38
plovstseng, ok03:38
daldermanthom: telewest route our mail for us and their pissy exchange servers are picky03:38
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thomtelewaste can bite me, frankly :/03:39
daldermanthom: :-)03:39
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daldermanthom: they used to run Solaris boxes + sendmail and it was all lovely, they then got swapped to MS by a new guy there and it all went to sh**03:40
plovstseng, there is this small anoyance when i say new...03:42
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tsengplovs: yes03:42
tsengplovs: that one is known.03:42
KinnisonHello03:42
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plovstseng, ok, thanks for all the work03:43
plovstseng, btw monodevelop does not show up in my menu, though03:44
sbartleyplovs, I tried to manually mount the card but I get :03:44
sbartleymount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc,03:44
sbartley       or too many mounted file systems03:44
tsengplovs: ...03:44
tsengplovs: log in again03:44
plovstseng, aah, sorry, i'll shut up now...03:45
tsengits probably making a new folder03:45
tsengwhich doesnt seem to get picked up03:45
plovssbartley, mount sdc -t umsdos /mnt/<something> ?03:46
smoI'd try "fdisk -l /dev/sdc" .. they rarely use the entire device, but a partition within  (-l simply lists partitions)03:46
jayeolasbartley: 'lsmod' and see what moduls u have running03:46
sbartleyplovs, umsdos not supported by the kernel03:47
plovssbartley, sorry vfat03:47
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jayeolaand also cat /proc/devices03:47
sbartleyjayeola, what specifically am I looking for in the modules?03:48
jayeolaanything usb related03:48
plovssmo, many usb-things actually do (been there, struggled with that)03:48
sbartleyplovs, tried vfat which is what gave me the error I showed earlier.03:48
sbartleyusbcore and usbstorage show03:49
jayeolawhen i connect a usb device i see it listed in 'lsmod'03:49
jayeolauh-huh03:49
plovssbartley, mount?03:49
jayeolais te dive plugged in?03:49
jayeola-the-03:49
smocurious .. I've only tried two there, but they were sda1 and sda5.  I'll stfu if my limited experience is hindering me however :o)03:49
jayeolasorry, have to ask03:49
sbartley/dev/hda1 on / type unknown (rw,errors=remount-ro)03:49
sbartleyproc on /proc type proc (rw)03:49
sbartleysysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)03:49
sbartleydevpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)03:49
sbartleytmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)03:49
sbartleyusbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)03:49
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sbartleyjayeola, yep. it is definately plugged in.:)03:50
jayeolatry 'mount -l' it lists everything that y r mounted on03:50
plovssmo, if we all let our limited experience make us shut up irc would be awfully quiet :)03:51
sbartleyusbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)03:51
plovssbartley, fdisk -l /dev/scd03:51
petemcpartitions on a cd?03:51
jayeolaheh - i'm a noob but i never let my limited experience stop me :)03:51
sbartleyplovs, nothgin03:51
jayeoladmesg | grep usb03:52
jayeoladmesg | grep sd03:52
sbartleyusbcore: registered new driver usbfs03:53
sbartleyusbcore: registered new driver hub03:53
sbartleyusb 1-2: new full speed USB device using address 203:53
sbartleyusbcore: registered new driver usb-storage03:53
sbartleyusb 1-2: USB disconnect, address 203:53
sbartleyusb 5-2: new high speed USB device using address 203:53
sbartleyusb 5-2: USB disconnect, address 203:53
sbartleyusb 5-1: new high speed USB device using address 303:53
jayeolathere's a way to _restart_ usb devices but i know it not03:53
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sbartleyAttached scsi removable disk sda at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 003:54
sbartleyAttached scsi removable disk sdb at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 103:54
sbartleySCSI device sdc: 494080 512-byte hdwr sectors (253 MB)03:54
sbartleysdc: Write Protect is on03:54
sbartleysdc: Mode Sense: 02 00 80 0003:54
sbartleysdc: assuming drive cache: write through03:54
sbartleyAttached scsi removable disk sdc at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 203:54
sbartleyAttached scsi removable disk sdd at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 303:54
sbartleyVFS: Can't find a HFS filesystem on dev sdc1.03:54
sbartleyVFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sdc.03:54
sbartleyVFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sdc.03:54
sbartleyVFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sdc.03:54
jayeolastop!03:54
plovssbartley, fdisk -l /dev/sdc03:54
sbartleyplovs, shows nothing03:54
jayeolais there any data on that device sbartley ?03:54
sbartleyjayeola, yep.  has pictures from my digital camera03:55
plovssbartley, sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdc03:55
sbartleyI can use this card reader and card on my xandros linux box and it shows the pictures no problem.03:55
jayeolamount /dev/sda1 /mnt/03:55
sbartleyplovs, shows nothing.03:55
jayeolanow mount /mnt/03:55
sbartleylol03:55
jayeoladone?03:55
sbartleyjayeola, you rock03:55
jayeolanot i03:55
jayeolagoogle03:55
sbartley:)03:56
jayeolathat happened to me about six months ago03:56
sbartleymount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sd worked03:56
plovssbartley, but this *should* be automatic03:56
jayeolastruggled on my own for hoooooooors03:56
sbartleymount /dev/sdc /mnt/sd doesnt.03:56
jayeolaahem, now u need to make an entry into /etc/fstab03:56
sbartleyamazing how a little thing like "1" missing will mess it up.:)03:56
jayeolato tell yr box how to mount a filesytem on tha usb device03:57
plovsjayeola, well, he should actually not have to di this03:57
jayeolabrb sbartley, i'll give u some instructions03:57
sbartleyk.03:57
plovssbartley, is your box up-to-date?03:58
sbartleyloaded this morning.03:58
plovssbartley, did you run apt-get update/upgrade?03:58
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sbartleyno03:58
jayeolasbartley: http://jayeola.org/wordpress/index.php?p=7403:59
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plovssbartley, maybe you should, all my usb-devices automount03:59
jayeolathat's from my blog, i use it to record  all of the new things that i've learnt03:59
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Linuxbcnhi03:59
sbartleyjayeola, thx.04:00
sbartleyplovs, will do that now and see what it does.04:00
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sbartleythx all.  bbiab after updating.04:00
plovssbartley, and then umount /mnt/sd, pull it out and plug it back in04:00
jayeolahe's gone/quit04:01
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jayeolait's very strange... i installed/updated ubuntu at a linux users group 04:02
jayeolabut now that box can't seem to reach *any* ubuntu addys04:02
plovsjayeola, other addresses work?04:02
jayeolanone at all. so i can't update anything from the archives.04:02
jayeolai'm lookiing in /etc/apt/sources.list04:03
plovsjayeola, does networking work at all?04:03
jayeolayeah04:03
jayeolacan reach all other boxes, n/works/hosts04:03
plovsjayeola, what about google or something can you ping them?04:04
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jayeolais my isp gnikcuf with me?04:04
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jayeolarebooted ubuntu box, grrr! if it's my isp - i'll go bananas04:05
plovsjayeola, you might try from a mirror or something04:06
jayeolai'm actually trying to test the wireless capabilities of ubuntu...04:06
jayeolait detected a w/less card immediately and gave me the correct card info, even the driver and manif id04:07
jayeola1st time!04:07
plovsjayeola, laptop?04:07
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jayeolathis is a l/top also. running fedora04:08
Sam0ri was just reading the wiki.. is there a way to enable to boot splash screen? 04:09
jayeolaright! i can see a 'temporary name resolution failure' in the boot up messages04:09
jayeolaSam0r: yeh it's easy, hold on and i'll give u a url04:09
smosplash screens are a 'next release' thing, last I heard04:09
Sam0rcheers jayeola :)04:09
jayeolaSam0r: do u mean having/changing the image at boot up?04:09
Sam0rwell displaying one would be nice :)04:10
Sam0ri need to get grub sorted04:10
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jayeolayeah. there's a url somewhere....04:10
Sam0rsee, i'm making a boot logo (like suse) and atm ive got a really good idea for it, and in my head (and paintshop) it looks pretty damn good04:10
plovsSam0r, would be nice, many users get upset when they see linux startup, way too much text04:11
jayeolasomething like this.... http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/view/14204:11
jayeolaand it works....04:12
Sam0rcool04:12
Sam0rwell atm i'm looking at doing the grub one04:12
Sam0rand doing somthing with bootsplash04:12
jayeolahttp://plf.zarb.org/logo.php04:13
jayeolahave a look at these logos and tell me what you think.....04:13
jayeolai think that they are very funny/cool04:13
Sam0ryeah04:13
Sam0ri'll make a .swf of the boot screen tonight04:14
jayeolatux with gunz?04:14
Sam0rto get an idea of what it'll look like04:14
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Sam0rnoo, its similar to the apple mac startup screen04:14
jayeolalike i said it's very easy but the text is very usefull for debugging stuff04:14
Sam0ryeah you can press F2 to switch to verbose mode04:15
jayeolanever knew that04:15
Sam0rwell with bootsplash you can04:15
jayeolauh-huh?04:15
Sam0ryup04:15
Sam0ri meant to ask04:15
Sam0ris ubunto developed in the uk?04:15
thomall over the place04:16
Sam0roh right04:16
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thomthere are 5/6 of us in the uk i think ;-)04:16
blightHmm04:16
blightDistro seems quite nice so far04:16
plovsSam0r, although the company who paysfor it is in england04:17
Sam0rcool i'm in the  uk (bham)04:17
smoI'm expatriated :/04:17
plovsSam0r, off course on the net it does not make a lot off difference04:17
jayeoladamn! that ubuntu box has lost newtwork capabilities. it can only ping the router04:18
Sam0ryeah thats true04:18
Treenaksplovs: well, if the main site was hosted on a small island in the pacific we'd notice ;)04:18
jayeolai'm in london, where its cold and miserable04:18
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smoI'm in northern michigan, where I'll give your cold a run for it's money :o)04:18
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Sam0rlol04:18
plovsTreenaks, i would go straight away to do maintenance ;)04:19
jayeolasmo: well our overcast and cloudy is better than yours!04:19
thomjayeola: where abouts?04:19
smoI know, but I'm homesick 'n cold   lol04:19
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jayeolalondon? south west, near brixton04:19
jayeolabut if i told u my exact location ..... i'd have ta kil ya04:20
thomheh04:20
Treenaksjayeola: we'll just wipe the entire country from the map...04:20
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jayeoladamn! that ubuntu box has lost it's n/work :(04:20
plovssmo, change the position on your wheather-applet, it will be like your on hawai!04:20
smoif I got off my *cough* and did something with the furnace, that may just work04:21
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jayeolaanyone care for a screenshot?  http://jayeola.org/dump/ubuntu-shot.png04:23
jayeolathis is a fedora core 2 (FC2) box04:23
ds2hornerthom:thanks again - re bittorrent and rosegarden04:24
plovsjayeola, you should have told us to smile!04:24
jayeolaheh!04:24
plovsjayeola, how does it compare to fedora?04:24
smoI'm famous!  (and my what a cluttered panel)04:24
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jayeolaum, ubuntu is ok so far. i like the simple gui menu04:24
jayeolai always go for terminals and the command line..04:25
plovsjayeola, irssi?04:25
smooh, that reminds me .. is there a particular reason the Computer menu isn't right-clickable ?04:25
jayeolabut the menu is very simple and well though out04:25
jayeolayeah irssi - the killer irc client04:25
jayeolathe menu in fc2 is (over?) complicated 04:26
Sam0rdoes ubunto come with an ftp server?04:26
plovsjayeola, i like using irssi as a proxy in screen but i prefer xchat as a frontend04:26
jayeolaxchat does not have the word/name/option completion04:26
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smoproftpd and wu-ftpd both appear to be universe04:26
thomsmo: vsftpd04:27
jayeolaalso since i use a laptop, i have to think about battery power and i can run irssi from a virtual terminal04:27
jayeolavt's conserve batt power04:27
plovsjayeola, i'm not a star in irssi-config yet04:28
blighthmm when I mount xp ntfs partition as root the path is set to 600 perms any way round that04:28
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plovsjayeola, use screen04:28
thomblight: NTFS write support doesn't work04:28
jayeolaplovs: me niether. the doc's are notoriuosly poor but it's still a killer app04:28
jayeolaplovs: screen?04:28
plovsjayeola, did you find docs :)04:28
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plovsjayeola, in a terminal type screen and you'll have as many vt as you good ever need04:29
jayeolaplovs: '/help [command] ' does the job for me04:29
Sam0rhow do i customise the grub bootloader?04:29
Sam0rlike add OS's to it04:29
jayeolathe aliases are a very handy04:30
jayeolaSam0r: when u find out let me know, i want fedora xp and ubuntu on this box04:30
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Elim_ppchi04:30
blightthom, that's fine, just want to be able to read as normal user04:31
Sam0rwill do04:31
plovsjayeola, the cool thing of screen is that it will survive a logout (as long as the machine stays up)04:31
jayeolaoh yeah?04:31
Elim_ppcdoes anyone know how i add fluxbox to gdm as i have had no luck trying to use guides i have found on the fluxbox website and from the internet.04:31
plovsjayeola, yes screen in a terminal ^a^D detach screen, logout, login screen -r continues where you were (in vim or irssi or whatever)04:32
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diemanKamion: thanks for trying :)04:33
Kamiondieman: worth a go, oh well, will have it for hoary04:33
diemanyeah04:33
diemanwhen is hoary scheduled for? 6 months out?04:33
Kamionyep, release April 200504:34
blightroot@hammer:~ # mount04:34
blight/dev/sda5 on / type unknown (rw,errors=remount-ro)04:34
diemanok04:34
jayeolaplovs: i love/like the split screens!04:34
blighttype unknown for / ?04:34
mxpxpodlamont: poing04:34
diemanKamion: are you going to be resyncing d-i pretty quick after warty?04:34
mxpxpodwhoops04:34
mxpxpodping04:34
plovsjayeola, screen is really,really need for console-work, combine it with ssh and it is killer!04:35
fourth_usermxpxpod > another o and you would have been in trouble ;)04:35
mxpxpodfourth_user: heh04:35
mxpxpodgood point04:35
Kamiondieman: right04:35
Kamiondieman: not looking forward to the merge :)04:35
diemanheh04:35
blightahh : root@hammer:/mnt # mount -o umask=022 /dev/sda2 ntfs_d04:35
Sam0rjayeola: found out how to edit grub04:36
Sam0rcd to /boot/grub04:36
Sam0rand edit menu.lst (i think it was)04:36
deFrysksudo nano -w /boot/grub/menu.lst04:36
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Sam0rnot sure if you need to reinstall grub after, i'm not sure about grub, i've always used lilo04:37
deFryskor whatever editor you prefer04:37
jayeolawhat do u actually edit? what do u say to the file? 04:37
Sam0rits pretty self explanitory once you see the file :)04:37
leonvhowdey, how does one get the spell checker on openoffice to work? I see that myspell-en-gb and myspell-en-us are installed.04:38
jayeolayeah, i've seen the file but i wanna addd another OS/distro.....04:38
Sam0rthere are examples to use04:39
jayeolaplovs: another screenshot -  jayeola.org/dump/ubuntu-shot.png04:39
jayeolaSam0r: uh-huh?04:39
Sam0rbest to just copy and paste whats already there for ubunto then edit it for your other os's04:39
jayeolai did have two issues.....04:40
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jayeolaworking how much space to use for fedora and ubuntu... you know , the partition stage04:40
jayeolaand the other was grub04:40
Sam0roh right04:41
Sam0ri only have ubunto on my server atm04:41
jayeolai already had fedora installed and i put (or tried) ubuntu onto some spare space04:41
jayeolawhen the box said 'take out the cd and get ready for the 2nd stage'04:41
Sam0ri simply cant use linux as a desktop os04:41
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jayeolait rebooted to fedora! no ubuntu04:42
jayeolaSam0r: i use linux all the time, even though i'm a n00b04:42
hawksmoorhi all, ciao a tutti04:42
jayeolai did not know how to tell grub to look for both of my distros :(04:43
Sam0rim not a n00b tho, i just dont use it as a desktop os because ive never used a distro that *worked* how i wanted it to04:43
Sam0rdid you try doing what i said?04:43
jayeolawill re-install ubuntu with 50% of hdd space, theh reinstall fedora....04:43
Sam0rok04:43
Sam0rbrb04:43
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hawksmooras anybody installed ubuntu on a powerbook?04:45
hawksmoorhas...04:45
Kamionhawksmoor: it's one of my standard test systems before releasing04:46
hawksmoorI'm thinking about installing it alongside with OsX, but I'm not quite sure yet04:47
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Kamionhawksmoor: probably want to do the resize in OS X's Disk Utility, I wouldn't quite trust our HFS+ resize support yet04:48
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deedothey all, does anyone know of any good free internmet shell accounts?04:49
hawksmoorone question: is there a tool like qparted or diskdrake that let me resize the hfs+ partition without data loss? possibly on a live cd like knoppix or mandrakemove?04:49
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deedothawksmoor: try kanotix04:50
deedotits like knoppix04:50
hawksmoorand works on a mac?04:51
deedoti dunno jus go to their website, you can find it on google04:52
hawksmoorright, cheking on distrowatch ;-)04:52
hawksmoorno, it's x86 only04:54
Maydaylatest update broke my ubuntu, just hangs at the gnome splashscreen, any ideas?04:54
Elim_ppcdoes anyone know how i add fluxbox to gdm as i have had no luck trying to use guides i have found on the fluxbox website and from the internet.04:54
plovsjayeola, i missed the screenshot :(04:55
hawksmoorElim_ppc: I tried to compile it but it says it needs X, why? I'm using X04:55
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polokg'night people04:57
deedotg'night at 4.46pm04:57
deedotreally c'mon04:57
Sam0rbah04:58
Sam0ri still cant get gnome to work04:58
Sam0rkilled that bonobo process too04:59
Sam0reven installed the nvidia drivers.. still wont freakin work 04:59
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jonohi all05:01
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blightDoes anyone know of a GUI(GTK) based samba config tool?05:01
hawksmoorKamion, the boot oader on a ppc is still grub?05:02
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jdubhawksmoor: yaboot05:04
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hawksmoorbut the ubuntu partition is accessible from OsX like any other hfs+ partition?05:05
Sam0rwell osx is darwin, which is unix05:06
Sam0ri think darwin has support for quite a few formats05:07
Elim_ppcdid you use the latest cvs from www.fluxbox.org?05:08
Elim_ppcor a release?05:08
hawksmoorElim: 0.9.1005:08
Elim_ppcuse cvs all the others dont compile on mine either plus cvs is very niice :D05:08
Elim_ppcjust wish i knew how to add it to gdm's startup options screen05:09
hawksmoorElim: the other versions gave you the same probelm as mine?05:09
Elim_ppcyes05:09
Elim_ppcor similar i cant remeber exactly05:10
Elim_ppcremember*05:10
hawksmoorI 'll go to the website and try05:10
jayeolais there a man page for word completion?05:12
jayeolaat th commend line that is05:12
jayeola-cammand-05:12
jayeolafor example, u can normally start a word and tab, to complete it....05:13
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Kamion16:05 < hawksmoor> but the ubuntu partition is accessible from OsX like any other hfs+ partition?05:18
Kamionhmmmmmmm, assumption detected :-)05:18
bagpuss_jayeola: not really.  It's builtin to the shell.  looking at the functions in /etc/bash_completion might give you some ideas though05:19
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jayeolathanks bagpuss_ i can't seem to scroll back thru the command line using <backspace> <left arrow>05:20
Kamiondieman: it's probably easier for us to just build usb-discover with a current discover1-data, I think that should do it05:20
jayeolau can do that by default with fedora's bash shell05:20
Kamionjayeola: 'man bash' lists the keybindings05:20
Kamionsearch for READLINE05:21
jayeolauh-huh05:21
jayeolaman readline! thanks!05:22
Kamionthat too :-)05:22
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phinhow do i turn off AA, all the way down to the server level?  i have a feeling thats killing me on this slow pc05:25
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Elim_ppc~/.xinint what can u do with this file?05:26
jayeolaheh! the ububtu box is now n/worked. i forgot to change /etc/resolve.conf to include my home n/work details05:27
jayeola-ubuntu-05:28
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Sam0rdoes ubunto ship with a ssh server?!05:30
jayeolaman ssh05:30
jayeolai got that so there must be one05:30
jayeolaalso try 'man -k ssh' and tell me what u see05:30
Sam0rthe manual for ssh...05:31
blight$ dpkg -l | grep -i ssh05:31
blightii  openssh-client 3.8.1p1-10ubun Secure shell client, an rlogin/rsh/rcp repla05:31
blightii  ssh-askpass-gn 3.8.1p1-10ubun under X, asks user for a passphrase for ssh-05:31
Sam0rdoesnt say anyting about sshd05:31
blightSam0r, looks like no05:31
jayeolagood now try 'man -k ssh'05:31
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jayeolatell me what u see05:32
RuffianSoldierhey all05:32
Elim_ppcapt-get install shh05:32
Elim_ppcssh*05:32
jayeolai'll learn too05:32
RuffianSoldierim downloading ubuntu05:32
Elim_ppcapt-get install ssh05:32
RuffianSoldierwhy is it only 500mb???????05:32
jayeola?05:32
Elim_ppconly gnome no kde05:32
RuffianSoldierIm donwloading ubuntu, and its only 509MBs05:32
blightSam0r, $ sudo apt-get install openssh-server05:32
RuffianSoldieraaaah05:32
RuffianSoldieri can use .deb packagas05:33
housetierits all (probably more) than you will need05:33
jayeolai thought that it's there already. if u have  man page, then it must be there 05:33
RuffianSoldierCan i use .deb packages?????05:33
blightjayeola, thats the man page for the ssh client05:33
housetierRuffianSoldier, yes you can!!!!!!!!!! you can also use a little less punctuation please :)05:34
jayeolayeah so if u have the man page then u have the app, right?05:34
RuffianSoldierthanks you05:34
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housetierRuffianSoldier, be prepared for trouble if mixing packages from different repositories though05:35
Sam0rwell the man -k ssh had the config file on it, but that doesnt mean its installed05:35
jayeolaah05:35
jayeolassh                  (1)  - OpenSSH SSH client (remote login program)05:36
jayeolassh-add              (1)  - adds RSA or DSA identities to the authentication agent05:36
jayeolassh-agent            (1)  - authentication agent05:36
jayeolassh_config           (5)  - OpenSSH SSH client configuration files05:36
jayeolasshd                 (8)  - OpenSSH SSH daemon05:36
jayeolasorry about pasting05:36
jayeolasshd_config          (5)  - OpenSSH SSH daemon configuration file05:36
jayeolassh-keygen           (1)  - authentication key generation, management and conversion05:36
housetierRuffianSoldier, this will answer a few quesions I hope: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqfolder_view/05:36
RuffianSoldierhousetier: Ubuntu is just temporary, i usualy use Libranet (Debian based Linux) and i took bad advice (From console and IRC channel people) So im just playing arround before i reinstall LN05:36
jayeolaubuntu = temporary?05:37
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housetierso whats the fuss then05:37
diemanKamion: ahh, i didn't know thats what it does, I didn't lookat the pckage05:37
Elim_ppci hate pcs 05:39
RuffianSoldierjayeola: yes, i am just playing around with distros right now05:39
RuffianSoldierElim_ppc: I hate macs05:39
RuffianSoldiereven though im using one right now05:39
jayeolaah - when u said 'temp', i thought that u man that it was a temp project05:39
Elim_ppci like pc's os' better ie x86 linux and nvidia graphics but the hard disks are irritating the life out me05:40
Elim_ppcthe connecters dont stay in so linux wont boot and it has kernel panic unable to mount v file system...05:40
RuffianSoldieri wonder how much they will charge for Longhorn when it comes out05:40
Elim_ppcgrrr!05:41
RuffianSoldieroh well, i will still download a copy05:41
Elim_ppc100/$150/160 euros05:41
jayeolahow can i tell exactly which architecture i have? like i386, 486, 586, 686?05:41
Elim_ppcwhat cpu u got?05:41
RuffianSoldierscrew paying for windows, i never did05:41
jayeolaPII05:41
jayeolaand another PIII05:42
phinpiratingis illegal05:42
Elim_ppcok thats a 68605:42
phinpirating*05:42
Elim_ppcor a 58605:42
jayeolaPIII = 686? and PII=?05:42
Elim_ppci dont know which05:42
phinp2 is 68605:42
jayeolak05:42
smoI believe petium1 / pentium-pro are 586, and anything newer, 68605:42
phinppro is 68605:43
RuffianSoldierwhat is a cyrix M-II 300???05:43
phinruffian: i think its 58605:43
phini know my k6-2 is05:43
phinit might even be 48605:43
Elim_ppcwhy does it matter anyway?05:43
RuffianSoldieri have a Cyrix05:43
phinyour best using just a 38605:43
Elim_ppcno its not a 486 05:43
RuffianSoldieri always used I386 stuff05:43
phinsorry to hear that05:43
RuffianSoldieri suppose it wont matter05:43
jayeolathanks for the info. i'm gonna try to compile the kernel after i install the source code05:43
phinwerd05:43
phinare you gonna use patches?05:44
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jayeolanot sure. gonna install the source, read it and see what's best05:44
Sam0rjayeola: let me know how to recompile goes, i'm prolly going to have to recompile the kernel soon 05:44
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Elim_ppcdamn, my pc refuses to boot the hard disk connecters are in right and it doesnt work05:44
Ruffian-Awayill be back05:44
jayeolathe docs in the fedora source are very good05:44
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phinwell if your gonna use patches, then its worth it, if not just use the i686 kernel in the apt repository05:44
Sam0ranyone know how to access windows shares using samba from the command line?05:45
jayeolahmm, it's  17:0 here and i haven't eaten. need food05:45
smosmbclient should, but it's a pretty painful experience05:45
phinheh05:46
phinim compiling with the cko7 patches now05:46
jayeolagonna drop alot of stuff that i don't need05:46
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phinit doesnt matter, its all modules05:46
jayeolatryng to make the k smaller....05:46
phinnot to sound cocky, but why?05:47
smoI've given up on that aproach .. the last thing you need when a nic is fried, is having to rebuild to get a driver for the replacement05:47
phinit doesnt make it faster05:47
mojooptimization is the main point for a good PC05:47
phinjust use the i686 kernel in apt05:47
Sam0rit makes it faster to decompress and load.05:47
housetierSam0r, there is "smbclient"05:47
Sam0rbut not very05:47
jayeoladunno. like to see how all this stuff works. never get the oppourtunity in doze05:47
Elim_ppcOK I HAVE HAD ENOUGH ONEBASE LINUX IS GOING OFF MY PC! long may it rot, what do you recon i should dual boot ubuntu on it with exept windows which isnt getting a look in05:47
mojogood choosen kernel = good PC05:47
phinjay: ahh, valid reason :P05:47
Elim_ppcgentoo i recon would be good, what do you think?05:48
phinno05:48
thomElim_ppc: i would just use gentoo05:48
mojohave u guys heard about Waimera project?05:48
phinOMG ROFL OPTIMIZATIONS!05:48
thommaybe stick a BSD on for variety05:48
housetieryes Elim_ppc use gentoo :)05:48
jayeolaphin: u see i spend most of my time asking really basic questions, which could be answered by learning the kernel05:48
jayeolagentoo. gah!05:49
thomElim_ppc: um. s/gentoo/ubuntu/05:49
thomfingers went mad05:49
phinjay: well compiling will not answer to many questions05:49
phinget into kernel hacking :P05:49
mojoyes05:49
mojoget dirty with codes05:49
phinthats when u learn05:49
mojocodes are erotic with me05:49
phinselecting modules wont teach shit :P05:49
jayeolanot hacking as such, but getting a better understanding of the basics and how things work05:49
Elim_ppci want to actually dual boot windows 98 for steam how would i setup lilo to boot into window 98 i have never managed it before.05:49
Elim_ppcwith gentoo05:50
housetierElim_ppc, #gentoo is for gentoo questions05:50
Elim_ppck05:50
phinelim: ya we do not support gentoo05:50
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mojoyah05:50
phinin fact you will find most people that like the debian way, dispise gentoo :P05:50
mojowe do not05:50
mojobecause we are far better lol!05:50
Sam0ris there a program to help you setup samba? cuz i cant get the f***ing thing working05:50
phinwell, it doesnt make sense to compile every peice of software05:51
jayeolaselecting modules wont teach shit i tried gentoo once....05:51
phini mean, i guess OMGOPTIMZATIONS FOR THE METAL TRACES THAT GOTO MY MEM FROM CPU WILL MAKE A .00002s DIFFRENCE ON LOAD TIMES OMGLOLZ05:51
phinhehe sorry05:51
jayeolaman that was craaa-zeee. couldn't even deteect my network card05:51
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phinjayeoloa: i would just apt-get install the 686 kern05:52
Elim_ppci like gentoo for one reason it actually works on me pc and doesnt go bust like everything else seems to05:52
Elim_ppcincluding debian05:52
jayeolai'm trying to install lynx, but i'm being asked 2 insert a cd????05:52
phinjay: did you change your sources.list?05:52
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Sam0rstick the ubuntu cd in05:52
jayeolai just umcommented sources.list05:52
Elim_ppcput ur install cd in!!05:53
thomjayeola: yeah, apt has realised that lynx hasn't changed from teh ver on your cd so it wants to use that05:53
phindid you apt-get update?05:53
jayeolayeah05:53
phindid you remove the cd from the sources?05:53
jayeolaapt-get upgrade && apt-get dist upgrade; apt-get install gcc lynx05:53
jayeolaphin: i dunno, i'll look now. i just uncommented evrything05:54
phincomment the cd out05:54
phinthen apt-get update05:54
phinthen apt-get install lynx05:54
phini would recommend elinks over lynx thou05:54
phincolors and tables :)05:54
phinplus gpm support. so you can use a mouse05:55
jayeolauh-huh05:55
phinno mouse on web browsing SUCKS05:55
phinlol05:55
thomdude. w3m-img05:55
jayeolaroger that05:55
jayeolaw3??05:55
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phinw3m-img is cool05:55
jayeola??05:55
phini prefer elinks thou05:55
phinit lets you have pictures05:55
phinsometimes it makes the formating all fucked05:55
phinwell i think so05:55
thomsure, but it's cool05:56
jayeola? i thought that it was text only05:56
thomand also mouse support under x and gpm05:56
phinya, i prefer elinks05:56
thomjayeola: it is. try it and see ;-)05:56
jayeolaroger that. need food 1st. also commented the cd source05:57
ishIs there some simple rc.local file? 05:57
ishSo I don't have to do my custom startup stuff in a init style script?05:57
jayeolaheh - it worked thanks guys! no install from cd anymore!05:57
jayeolaboy i'm  learning fast!05:58
phinish: just make rc.local05:58
phinif it sees it it should use it05:58
ishin etc or etc/init.d05:58
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phinin /etc05:58
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jayeolagah! can't find package 'mplayer' or 'mc' ???05:59
jayeolahave ta get it from sourceforge06:01
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jayeola*ahem* i recommend one of you guys making an entry in http://linux-laptop.org06:02
longsleepjayeola: there is a apt repo somewhere for this .. just cant remember the url06:02
smogoogle debian-marilliat for mirrors06:03
longsleepthats it06:04
jayeolaroger that06:04
jayeolaalso can't seem to get my sound on/going/detected/06:04
jayeolathinkpad 60006:04
jayeolaibm laptop06:05
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FrenchixHi all,06:15
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diemanmmmm06:18
diemannew fglrx driver06:18
diemanof course, bugzilla isn't cooperating with my browser06:18
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FrenchixI'm new to ubuntu and have just installed it on my system. I've a strange problem with synaptic. When I started it the windows open after the password and it freeze with noting readable inside (crappy screen) it. Anyone has ever have this bug ? and how to correct it ? Thanks. Sorry for errors cause I'm a french guy.06:21
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theantixFrenchix, can you run synaptic from a terminal to see if it gives you any errors?06:24
FrenchixFor information the distro is the daily snapshot of the ( 2004-09-30 ). I've tried to uninstall & install again synaptic without succes !06:24
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jayeolaFrenchix: u may have to configure/change the sources, that's where u get the packages from....06:26
FrenchixTheantix. I try and let you known result.06:26
jayeola /etc/apt-get/sources.list06:26
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FrenchixTheantix. I've tried from a terminal and it is the same result without error messages.06:29
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Vorph777hi, has anyone got straw working under ubuntu?06:30
theantixFrenchix, I'm sorry, I don't know how to help you then06:30
theantixVorph777, yes I have06:30
theantixVorph777, are you getting the problem where you can't update any feeds?06:31
FrenchixJayeola could you repeate your message cause it's too long and  I can't read it until the end ?06:31
Vorph777theantix - yup, the app falls over as soon as I click on one, sound familiar?06:31
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theantixVorph777, it's a known bug with straw .rpms and .debs -- you have to set up the defaults because they are all set to "0" or "" -- then you have to remove and re-add the feeds06:32
theantixVorph777, for example the number of articles stored is "0" by default, which means nothing is stored... and you have to drop/add the feeds in order to get it to work06:32
Vorph777ok thanks - I assume they're in a text file someplace?06:33
theantixno, in the preferences menu06:33
Frenchixjayeola. You want I change the source ? Do you have other sources, mine are those from ubuntu ?06:35
FrenchixTheantix thanks for your help.06:35
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Vorph777theantix - I don;t seem to be able to remove any feeds, the "remove" button is ghosted...06:36
theantixVorph777, how did you install straw?06:36
Vorph777dpkg -i straw_blah.deb06:37
theantixfrom the debian sid package?  or is there an ubuntu one now?06:38
Vorph777the one I got was from the debian package site...06:38
Vorph777I can't get one using apt-get from the ubuntu repositories...06:38
theantixyeah, I already filed a bug regarding that..06:38
Sam0rdoes the default kernel that comes with ubuntu have bootsplash compiled into it?06:39
KamionSam0r: no06:39
Sam0rbah ok06:39
KamionSam0r: trying to use bootsplash broke the installer06:39
theantixVorph777, I'm afraid that straw is just not working that great with Ubuntu at the moment... you might want to try Liferea06:39
KamionSam0r: we'll be implementing a fully userspace bootsplash-a-like for hoary06:39
Vorph777theantix - yeah it seems that way, thanks for the help anyways - I'll give Liferea a go...06:40
FrenchixTheantix. you already filled a bug about my problem ? could you send me the bugzilla number ?06:40
theantixFrenchix, no vorph777's problem... sorry for the confusion -- you should file a new bug if you can reproduce the problem06:41
jayeolaFrenchix: have a look at /etc/apt/sources.list, you can un/comment sources and even add others if u want06:41
jayeolais that what u mean/want?06:42
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FrenchixTheantix. Ok sorry for the confusion.06:43
theantixnp :-)06:43
Sam0rwhere can i get the source code for the kernel thats on ubuntu?06:44
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phinok, anyone...  how do i remove and turn off AA fonts?  these are slowing me down way to much, just not worth it06:44
jayeolaapt-cache search kernel06:44
phinapt-get install kernel-source or something like that06:44
jayeolause uname -a to see your source listed06:44
jayeolathem do what phin said, or use synaptic06:45
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Frenchixjayeola. I can change the packages source, mine are those by ubuntu by default. But do you have other sources to give me for replacing ?06:45
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theantixSam0r, you want linux-source-06:45
jayeolaFrenchix: yeah, there's one at dag, very good one tooo06:46
theantixsam0r, kernel-source-* are the ones in universe, linux-source- are the ones in main and probably what you are using06:46
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Sam0rthanks :)06:47
Sam0rgot it now06:47
theantixno problem :-)06:47
Sam0ri dno if this is just me06:47
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Sam0rbut after i install the drivers for the nvidia cards, my fonts go soo damn small i cant even read them06:47
Sam0rdoes that happen to anyone else?06:47
Frenchixjayeola thanks, I'll tried with those of dag to install synaptic and see if my problem is resilved or not.06:47
jayeolahttp://dag.wieers.com/06:48
jayeolavery good too. like at his cv, he started at 8 yeard old!06:48
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KinnisonDoes anyone know where nautilus stores the emblem choices for files?06:49
theantixSam0r, that happens to me too, not sure how to fix it or why it's happening06:49
Sam0ri fixed it ages ago06:49
Sam0rbut i forgot how06:49
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Sam0rits a line in x's config file06:49
Sam0rah hang on06:49
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jayeolaquick poll. how much space do u use for ubuntu and other distros/OS?06:52
jl10GB06:52
jlshared swap partitions06:52
suzan@jayeola: on my 30gb disk i use 10 gb for windows and 20 gb for ubuntu06:53
phinso no one knows how to completely remove AA fonts from my system?06:53
Sam0r10gb, hdd is only 10gb :(06:53
phini want to turn it completely off and remove it06:53
jlthen you have plenty.06:53
jl:)06:54
jli have a 30.06:54
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phini have ubuntu on a 4 gig06:54
Jovianwow a lot opf people here06:54
Sam0rphin: its prolly somthing in the gnome setup, have a look for font smoothing06:54
phinyes i know that06:54
phinbut i want to remove it completely06:54
phinso nothing use's it06:54
phinnot gtk, not fluxbox06:54
phinnothing06:54
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jayeolai only got 10gb on that box 3gb ubuntu/3gb fedora/3gb XP is that about resaonable?06:54
jlyes.06:55
jla new ubuntu install is about 1.6GB06:55
jayeolacould i include source code with my distros?06:55
jlfedora is about the same unless you install everything.06:55
jlXP may get a little tight06:55
jayeolanah - no servers06:55
jayeolahmm, i don't realllly wanna use XP, but it's work related06:56
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jlwell then 3GB for XP should be ok then. 06:56
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jayeolathen i'd have to install anti-virus/spyware/blah blah blah....06:57
jldont forget, you need to carve out a chunk for use as a swap partition.06:57
jayeolai only need ont swap patrition though, don't i?06:57
jayeolai was planning on 700mb06:57
jayeola-ene- swap06:57
jlyep, just one is needed.06:57
jl700????06:57
jlthats a lot.06:58
diemanwow06:58
jlhow much ram in the machine?06:58
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diemanpnp usb mounting is really cool :)06:58
jayeola25606:58
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theantixdieman, it rocks :-)06:58
jlbah... grab 400MB swap06:58
jayeolaok06:58
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jayeolashould i have a /, /usr partition for each distro?06:59
HcEjayeola: you only need a / for each distro06:59
jayeolafukc it, i'm gonna go for it.... installing now... fingers crossed07:00
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jayeolaman this chan is busy!07:01
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Frenchixjayeola: I use 10 gb for ubuntu & 15gb for archlinux.07:02
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jayeolaFrenchix: thanks but it's a 10gb laptop07:02
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carlossto: hey!07:05
Frenchixjayeola: it sure 10 gb for a laptop is a restrictive area for windows and linux.07:05
jayeolaFrenchix: so i'm prolly just gonna have two distros, ubuntu and fedora07:05
Jovianbbiab07:06
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Frenchixjayeola: you can only have 4 primary partitons but you can create one for the / for fedora another for the / of ubuntu, one for a swap using by both and the last one for whatever you want.07:08
Sam0roh bollocks07:08
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jayeolaFrenchix: seems as if i wont have enuf space for fedora/ubuntu/XP on a 10gb l-top07:09
jayeolaand i also want the source code so that i can compile... i think i'll drop windows and have 400mb swap07:09
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hazmatis there a way to list what files a package installed?07:10
Frenchixjayeola: the best solution is to replace your hard drive or using only one linus distro.07:11
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Sam0rwhats QT?07:12
knarphI am07:12
jayeola?07:12
Sam0r!!???!11oneone07:13
KinnisonQT is a toolkit07:13
Sam0rthought so07:13
KinnisonGTK is to GNOME as QT is to KDE (ish)07:13
Mitariowhat is the default supported Ubuntu RSS agregator?07:13
punkass__for kde07:13
Sam0rhow do i get it? :/07:13
Sam0rapt-get install QT doesnt work :/07:13
eazel7liferea?07:13
KinnisonSam0r: apt-get install libqt3c102 ?07:13
punkass__Sam0r it may be in the universe repository07:14
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Kinnisonit'll be in universe almost certainly07:14
Sam0rwee working07:14
jayeolaSam0r: why not use synaptic?07:14
Kinnisonoh no; it's in main07:14
Sam0rbecause im thick07:14
jayeolau could then search for it with gui search thingy....07:14
punkassreally? thats kinda suprising07:14
theantixMitario, it's not supported but liferea works well (in universe)07:15
Sam0rin text mode?07:15
punkassmmmm....gui search thing07:15
Mitariook, thanks, brb07:15
punkassy07:15
jayeolayeah, synaptic is a graphical apt07:15
Sam0roh great that libqt3c102 kinda just ballsed everything up07:15
jayeolaoh good, ubuntu is on da 2.6.8 kernel :)07:16
Sam0rhave fun recompiling the kerel07:16
Sam0ryou need shitloads of stuff installed07:16
Sam0rthen when u install QT it kills make07:17
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Sam0rlol thanks for telling me07:17
jayeola;/07:17
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Sam0rhow do you config the kernel in text mode?07:18
eazel7make menuconfig07:18
Sam0rthats the one07:18
Sam0rcheers07:18
jayeolacd /usr/src/07:18
eazel7^.^07:18
jayeolamake config07:18
jayeolamake menuconfig07:18
jayeolawhat eazel7 said, but do it in the right directory... 07:19
Sam0rmmm now i need ncurses-devel07:19
jayeolawhat are u trying to do Sam0r ?07:19
Sam0rrecompile the kernel with bootsplash07:19
eazel7jayeola, sorry, I supposed he was there07:19
eazel7but it's not in /usr/src07:20
Sam0rwhat isnt07:20
jayeolak, didn't think that u had to recompile to do that07:20
eazel7once you download the kernel-source07:20
eazel7you move to /usr/src07:20
Sam0rim not stipod07:20
Sam0rstupid*07:20
Sam0rits allready there.07:20
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FrenchixA little poll about gnome with ubuntu. the 2.8 version is steel very young. I will have a try with ubuntu for that. What's your point of view about it ?07:20
jayeolathat is where u do yr compiliing .... /usr/src/07:20
eazel7Sam0r, well, let me finish correcting what jayeola said xDDD07:21
stocarlos: hi07:21
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Sam0reazel7: you recompile the kernel in /usr/src/linux (or linux-kernel blah blah)07:22
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jayeolayeah07:22
jayeolathat's what i meant... doh!07:22
eazel7Sam0r, dah dah dah07:22
Sam0reazel7: dum de dum07:22
eazel7Sam0r, tiki groovy mine galia07:22
Sam0reazel7: foad07:23
eazel7Sam0r, burrrrrrrrrrrp07:23
Sam0reazel7: shut up.07:23
eazel7xDDDDDD07:23
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FrenchixThat's all folks :-X07:25
Sam0ro_007:25
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tbermantseng: ping07:26
Tomcat_Can anybody tell me what package "dig" is in?07:28
KamionTomcat_: dnsutils07:29
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hreso my ibm t40p doesn't shutdown properly (no poweroff). i seem to recall that you have to set CONFIG_X86_UP_APIC=n in the kernel .config. Fedora works. Any chances Ubuntu changes this kernel-option by default?07:34
Tomcat_Thanks, that worked.07:34
psyklopsI'm having some strange problems...07:35
psyklopsI just got disconnected and was unable to get my network back up until I restarted...07:35
psyklopsand then when my system came back up, X wouldn't start07:36
jono-writingis NTFS read/write available in Linux?07:36
Tomcat_jono-writing: With captive-ntfs, read/write yes... the usual kernels got ntfs reading.07:36
psyklopsI disabled using the nvidia drivers (that I just installed) in XF86Config-4 but I don't know why they won't work now07:36
jono-writingwhat is captive-ntfs?07:37
Tomcat_jono-writing: A program using the Win2k/XP ntfs.sys to provide write access to NTFS disks.07:37
jono-writingTomcat_,  is it userspace?07:38
Tomcat_No idea... I have never used it, tried it only once.07:38
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jono-writingahhh cool07:39
jono-writingthanks for that :)07:39
FrenchixAn information, I've already tested captive-ntfs. You need lufs driver to use & access NTFS drives. It's working but it is very slow when you make a tranfert.07:39
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stockholmFrenchix: are there debian install packages?07:40
psyklopswhoa... dmesg is showing tons of blocked blocked packets...07:40
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plovsjayeola, you sent one more screenshot but I missed it can you write it again?07:40
jayeolajayeola.org/dump/ubuntu-shot.png07:41
psyklops... proxyscan.freenode.net07:41
FrenchixStockholm; Dont know for debian cause I've tested it with archlinux sorry !:-/07:41
stockholmFrenchix: what is archlinux?07:42
neighborleeknarph, heh yeah..dosbox is kewl..i use it to run dos game which is similar to sim games and is called: HR2 ( tower simulation from pure solid building logic as opposed to 'design' )07:42
psyklopswhy is freenode scanning ports?07:43
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psyklopsnevermind07:43
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Frenchixstockholm; Archlinux is a binary meta packages linux oriented. packages are compiled with i686 optimization and use a packages manager named 'pacman'. More info to www.archlinux.org it's a  good distro with a very well packages manager. it's oriented for power users. 07:46
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FrenchixHi lucas what about grenable ?07:48
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flopperhola!07:50
neighborleeflopper, hi ;-007:51
FrenchixHi flopper!07:51
flopper:)07:51
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FX|LaptopHidy Ho07:52
FX|LaptopWondering if anyone could give me a hand with mounting my pen drive.07:52
jayeolausb?07:52
FX|Laptopthis is the line I have in my fstab......07:52
FX|Laptopyes.07:52
FX|Laptop/dev/sda /mnt/usbstick vfat noauto,user 0 007:52
theantixfx, if it doesn't mount in "disks" automatically it's a bug07:52
tbermanFX|Laptop: you shouldnt need a line in your fstab07:52
jayeoladmesg | grep sd07:53
FX|Laptophmmmm ok tberman.07:53
jayeolawhat does that say?07:53
FX|LaptopBuffer I/O error on device sda1, logical block 50837838407:53
jayeolahmm07:54
FX|LaptopTheres a long list, don't want to flood.07:54
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FrenchixI've heard about debian's packages for the upcomming XFCE4 release ( CVS packages ). Any info about that ? XFCE4 is another great desktop manager and lighter then gnome.07:54
jayeolaFX|Laptop: paste the results in #flood07:54
FX|LaptopOk07:54
FX|Laptopjayeola, how about a pm with it pasted?07:56
jayeolano, not needed07:56
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jayeolawhere did u get that line in fstab?07:57
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FX|Laptopeeeek wrong X to click on. lol07:57
JohanHwhere can I get glib-gettextize for ubuntu?07:57
ishAre there any decent IPtables helper tools?07:57
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Deftish: firestarter?07:58
tardmacish: fireflier07:58
jayeolaFX|Laptop: i don't think u need to have a line for usb devices in fstab, but others will correct me, right guys?07:59
plovsdoes anybody know a command-line tool that will show copy-progress (like wget)07:59
jayeolacp -v07:59
FX|LaptopI didn't think I did. I thought that it was suppose to auto mount with hal.07:59
plovsjayeola, FX|Laptop, no need for line in fstab it should be autoimatic07:59
Deftjayeola: you're right07:59
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jayeolaFX|Laptop: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/08:00
jayeolathen mount /mnt/08:00
jayeolabut 'dmesg | grep sd' should show u what the box can detect08:01
jayeolaFX|Laptop: you might want to comment that line out and reinsert that device08:01
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RuffianSoldierhello08:02
jayeolabut try that  mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/; mount /mnt/ first an dtell us what happens08:02
FX|LaptopI removed that line jayeola08:02
FX|Laptopjoe@laptop /mnt $ sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt08:02
FX|Laptopmount: you must specify the filesystem type08:02
jayeolai said comment it, but never mind....08:02
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DeftFX|Laptop: you need mount -t auto or something08:03
jayeolamount /dev/sda1 /mnt/ ? did u do that extactly?08:03
RuffianSoldierSo does KDE work with Ubuntu or not?08:03
FX|LaptopI get the same thing. I must specify a filesystem type.08:04
FrenchixOh no !:'( I've just found that I can't no more link a terminal to open directory with nautilus. It is possible with gnome 2.6 but apparently not with gnome 2.8.08:04
Defttry -t vfat then08:04
jayeolaok try 'source /etc/ftsab'08:04
jayeolamay need to sudo that command08:04
Sam0roh yeah, to the guy that had really small fonts after installing the nvidia drivers: put 'DisplaySize 270 200' into your X11 Config file, under the monitor section08:04
flopperI have some problem with the video card (ATI 128 Pro 32MB).. there's a continuos vibration on the image. Someone has the same hardware?08:05
FX|Laptopjoe@laptop /mnt $ sudo  mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/ -t fat08:05
FX|Laptopmount: fs type fat not supported by kerne08:05
Sam0rflopper: isnt that usually the screens problem?08:05
FrenchixAnyone has ever tried to install ATI driver for 9700 pro ?08:06
flopperSam0r, no I test the screen with other PC buntu powered and all was ok08:07
jayeolaFX|Laptop: is this a usb device?08:07
FX|Laptopyes sir08:07
jayeolaum normally i would do this.....08:08
jayeolamount /dev/sda1 /mnt/08:08
jayeolamount /mnt/08:08
Sam0rflopper: hmm... duno, ati suck ass anyway, buy a nvidia card.08:08
Sam0r:)08:08
jayeolaand u see the files on that device08:08
Deftyou must either have an fs type on the command line, or have an fstab entry08:09
flopperSam0r, next time ;)08:09
Deftwith project utopia, you don't use mount, you use pmount, although you never see it08:09
jayeolaso how much space does ubuntu take, with all of the source code?08:10
neighborleeSam0r, their drivers are supposedly getting better but yeah..nvidia rocks from all i've seen and heard from users..there actualy are new ati drivers out as of yesterday I think08:10
jayeola3gb?08:10
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jayeolaand should i have swap space as a primary partition?08:11
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Deftjayeola: shouldn't matter08:11
jayeolathanks!08:11
jayeolatrying a dual boot with fedora/ubuntu on another machine08:12
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RuffianSoldierim install Ubuntu for the first time08:13
RuffianSoldierim a big fan of Debian based Distros08:13
RuffianSoldierI didnt really like Debian 3 though08:13
FX|Laptopbrb08:13
jayeolais 400mb of swap ok for a laptop with 256 ram/ 10gb harddrive?08:14
theantixRuffianSoldier, it's still good for servers08:14
jayeolaok, for dual booting should *grub* be on the mbr or 1st sector of boot partition?08:16
neighborleehey all..is there a linux app similar to M$ publisher that has 'templates' for like mailable pamplets..what i'm looking for is a foldout pamplet..like three section foldout..(i've looked in oo but i'm not seeing any such templates )...thx ;-))08:16
RuffianSoldierLol, i have so many OS CDs08:17
RuffianSoldierits silly08:17
jayeolame too08:17
jayeolanew kernel new ccd08:17
RuffianSoldierthats what happends when i get a 50 pack of CDrs, and a highspeed internet connection08:17
neighborleeRuffianSoldier, heh we all resemble that remark LOL08:19
jayeola*ahem* i prefer distros that put as much as poss onto one cd <dives for cover>08:19
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RuffianSoldieri wont mind 2 cds, but 4? thats just wrong........08:20
RuffianSoldierone of the things i dont like about slackware08:20
neighborleejayeola, yeah true that makes it nice08:20
jayeolamain main distro uses this philosophy (just one cd)08:21
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Sam0ryay! my custom bootsplash kernel is compiling!08:21
jayeolathat's why i'm happy to try ubuntu...08:21
RuffianSoldierLinus, he uses mandrake08:21
RuffianSoldierbleh08:21
RuffianSoldieri prefer SuSe08:21
jayeolamandrake = 10 cd's wtf??08:21
RuffianSoldierif its not Debian based08:21
RuffianSoldierlol08:21
Sam0ri have no be honest, i think ubuntu is pretty good08:22
stockholmRuffianSoldier: suse is debian based, too.08:22
Sam0rcuz every problem ive had ive fixed it08:22
RuffianSoldierSuse is debian based???/08:22
RuffianSoldierAWESOME!08:22
stockholmRuffianSoldier: everything is debian, at some point (c:08:22
RuffianSoldierlol08:22
jayeolamy isp aint the best, so d-loading iso images is frowned upon my my isp08:22
tbermanuh08:22
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RuffianSoldieri would not mind running Gentoo08:23
stockholmwell, go for it!08:23
neighborleeSam0r, same here..only trouble i've really had so far was a library not compiling..but doing some searching in a makefile and installing 'alex' fixed it all up nice so now i'm free to continue using my favorite distro <G>..it really is setting great new trends with project utopia I think ;-)08:23
stockholmRuffianSoldier: have you tried syslinux allready? it is really neat, too08:24
Sam0ranyone know where i can get 'make-kpkg'?08:24
neighborleeRuffianSoldier, yeah do what I do and use a few different partitions ;-)08:24
RuffianSoldierno, i havenot08:24
stockholmRuffianSoldier: rather hard core, though.08:24
RuffianSoldierlol08:24
FrenchixHey what about LFS ( Linux from scratch ) all distro are not debian based !08:24
RuffianSoldieri just started using linux a couple of months ago08:24
jayeolamee too08:24
stockholmFrenchix: yes, true.08:24
neighborleeFrenchix, thats the long hard way of doing things but a good learning experience of course ;-0008:24
Sam0rive been running it for bout 3 years08:24
Sam0rbut i wouldnt say useing it cuz i dont use it as my primary os08:25
Sam0runless mac os x counts as linux..08:25
jayeola?08:25
neighborleesnicker08:25
RuffianSoldierthast UNIX08:25
thomcounts as a unix, not linux08:25
ik5pvxSam0r, it's contained in kernel-package08:25
Sam0ri know:)08:25
Sam0ris it?08:25
neighborleeSam0r, heh sorta..it does use linux technology heh08:25
Sam0rcheers08:25
RuffianSoldierMy primary OS is XP, but thats cuz im a hard core PC gamer, and i hate consoles08:25
RuffianSoldierBut i love LInux the best08:25
Sam0ri love my xbox for games08:25
RuffianSoldieri also have a G3 running Mac OS 9.208:25
RuffianSoldierturn you xbox into a linux box08:26
jayeolai'm thinking of going back to doze for just the sake of my minidisc08:26
neighborleeSam0r, and there is apt being working on for macosX I think08:26
Sam0ri have a g5 imac, a g4 cube and a g3 powermac all running panther08:26
jayeolaminidiscs use this horrid atract file system - nasty!08:26
Sam0rlol08:26
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jayeolai can mount it ( the minidisc) ok, but i can't write read.... 08:27
Sam0ri'd love to have a minidisc drive for my pc08:27
Sam0rif you get what i mean08:27
RuffianSoldierIm on my G3 right now, but its a black and white one, and it has to built in USB, so i cant run OSX08:27
Sam0ru can run os x on it08:28
Frenchixatract file system are not recognize by linux. send a message to SONY.08:28
Sam0rtheres a boot cd that emulates usb 08:28
RuffianSoldieri did bump it up to 256 of RAM the other day08:28
Sam0rthen u boot your mac os x install cd from their os08:28
jayeolaif i could hack that bloody atract - i'd be rich :$$08:29
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RuffianSoldierheheheheh08:29
jayeolabut mind u, SONY are now gonna have mp3 into there new devices08:29
jayeolathey now realise that mp3 is da way ta go and that atract sux!08:30
Frenchixlike SONY !08:30
jayeolabut atract sucks08:30
Sam0ryeah sony do kinda suck08:30
jayeolabetamax....08:30
jayeolasony memory sticks.....08:30
RuffianSoldierthat would be lame08:31
RuffianSoldieri hate sony08:31
Frenchixatract sucks with linux but the sound is better than mp3.08:31
Sam0r*looks at his iPod and smiles*08:32
jayeolaipod? 200 for  40gb??? 08:32
Sam0ri wouldntve bought it if i couldnt get it for 50 quid ;)08:32
plovsjayeola: both ways should work08:32
Sam0rits only a 20gig one tho08:32
RuffianSoldieri dont know what i would do with 40 GIGS of music.......08:33
RuffianSoldieri go with 508:33
RuffianSoldier40 is way to much08:33
Sam0ri think i have bout 10gb of music08:33
FrenchixIpod wath that ? an apple proprietary technologie ?08:33
Sam0rall of its on the ipod and pc08:33
jayeolaipods = good idea + greedy price08:33
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FrenchixNo ipod = give me your money and stay with me !08:34
jayeolaif i could use use the minidisc with linux, i'd be soooo happy08:34
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Sam0rdo you use an app to upload songs to it on windows/08:37
RuffianSoldiermy mom brought me a linux mag with Gentoo CDs! SWEET!08:37
Sam0rlol geek..08:38
RuffianSoldierlol08:39
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Sam0rthat is seriously sad08:39
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RuffianSoldierwhy08:40
Sam0rbecause lol08:40
Sam0ryou actually got your mom to buy u a linux mag08:40
dickmorrellgreetings08:40
Sam0romg hi2u08:40
dickmorrellomg ?08:41
Sam0roh my god!08:41
dickmorrellyes I know08:41
dickmorrellwhy omg ?08:41
dickmorrelltis moi08:41
dickmorrellwhy the shock08:41
Sam0rit was a joke..08:41
dickmorrelllol good I'm glad their is humour in the community08:41
dickmorrellsaves on good drugs08:41
Sam0rits a parody of geeks when a girl comes on a forum, and half of them say 'omg hi2u'08:41
dickmorrellif you're calling me a girl ??08:41
dickmorrelllol08:41
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Sam0rlol nah08:42
Sam0ri say it all the time:)08:42
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dickmorrellI think a few million Linux users might point out I'm hardly a girl more hairyassed codemonkey08:42
Sam0rlol 08:42
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dickmorrellWell today I took a day off from writing a new book on Linux Security08:42
dickmorrellI sit down over breakfast start surfing away08:42
dickmorrelland you guys fuck my day entirely08:43
dickmorrellbang went all adult work08:43
KinnisonWe're good at that.08:43
RuffianSoldierlol08:43
dickmorrellout came 2 PCs08:43
Sam0rlol!08:43
dickmorrellon went the ISO08:43
dickmorrellnow you can call O'Reilly and tell them why I didnt get the chapter finished today08:43
Sam0rlol08:43
dickmorrellso its dark now08:44
dickmorrella whole day has gone and I've not had so much fun08:44
dickmorrellplaying with a distro in 2 yrs08:44
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Kinnisoncoo; it *is* dark now.08:44
dickmorrellthe daystar has receded08:44
dickmorrelltis safe to go out08:44
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dickmorrellwouldnt want to get a tan08:44
Kinnisonit burns.08:44
occyKinnison: you lie, it is light out!08:45
occyheh08:45
dickmorrelloccy: timezone dude ?08:45
occyheh thought we were in joking mode08:45
dickmorrellwe are08:45
occyest08:45
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dickmorrellright so can anyone tell me08:45
dickmorrellwhy CUPS is buggered in a default install08:45
dickmorrellin that you can't actually print..08:46
dickmorrellor dont seem able to08:46
dickmorrellto either local or say tcp/ip jetdirect08:46
occyhaven't set that up yet on these boxes.08:46
diemanit 'wfm'08:46
diemanworks for me08:46
dickmorrellweird need to debug08:46
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dickmorrellweird nope nothing08:48
dickmorrellloads of other linux clients printing away happily in Debian and Mandrake08:48
diemanive been busy getting all our printers into cups08:48
dickmorrellyeah I love cups08:48
dickmorrell2 yr veteran08:48
diemanyeah, i wish we used it for our printserver but the solaris admin had nothing but trouble so we still use lprng.08:49
diemanim going to setup cups on the clients to print to lprng08:49
dickmorrellthats the problem I have08:49
dickmorrellI have like $30m of Solaris hardware at the office08:49
dickmorrelland I'm like... hmmm I made a living from Linux08:49
dickmorrellwhy dont you let me use it08:49
dickmorrellI am actually deploying 8000 Linux desktop thin clients at min using centralised CUPs servers running on Dell gear08:50
dickmorrellshould be a lot easier to manage than lprng08:50
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occydickmorrell: need to hire someone?  occy.net/resume :)08:51
gommansWhy does ubuntu not add the windows partitions to fstab by default?08:51
dickmorrelloccy: I am always hiring in fact I have 4 roles at the min08:51
occydickmorrell: take a quick look at the resume... It should be interesting if nothing else.08:52
dickmorrellok you'll find info on me at www.dickmorrell.com 08:52
dickmorrellor www.dickmorrell.com/press/08:52
occythat and 50 cents won't get me coffee anymore though.08:52
dickmorrellah I gave up coffee08:52
dickmorrellmade me aggressive08:52
occynever drank it... but. ;)08:53
dickmorrellbest way08:53
dickmorrellmakes you more social08:53
dickmorrellI dont approve08:53
occydickmorrell: you might recognize a few sites I've started from my resume08:53
dickmorrelloccy: cool I am in Atlanta 30th Oct - 4th Nov08:54
dickmorrellif you want to get together and chew the fat08:54
occydickmorrell: that'd be great 08:54
dickmorrellcoming over to give some talks on OpenSource and Spam08:54
dickmorrelldude did you work for VA too ?08:54
occyheh, you worked at VA?08:54
occyhaha08:54
dickmorrelltrae08:54
occywho didn't?08:54
dickmorrellfuck me08:54
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dickmorrellI didnt put two and two together08:55
occydickmorrell: hehe08:55
dickmorrellI just posted a job advert on Evals08:55
dickmorrellgo look.. 08:55
occydickmorrell: mind if I msg you please?08:55
dickmorrellnope08:55
Kamiongommans: 'cos I haven't implemented it yet :-) It's on my bug list ...08:56
gommansok!08:56
cubenessi didnt work at VA08:57
cubenesseheh08:57
gommansI had ubuntu on my machine yesterday, but I could not get dsl started, so I but back my mepis-backup.08:57
gommansThere was noone here that could help me, so I had to give up (I needed a working system).08:58
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cubenessgommans, i have found it to be well worth finding yourself a little dsl router box.. then you never have to worry about connectios and such in any OS you should choose..08:59
stevedeoAnyone know if there is some cool ubuntu swag yet?09:00
dickmorrellcubeness, or run 09:01
dickmorrellsomething like ipcop/smoothwall or preferable M0n0wall09:01
dickmorrellor one of the cool embedded devices I wrote 09:01
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dickmorrelllike the Edimax or 3com DSL routers09:01
cubenessout of curiousity, is ubuntu going to have funky little "hold my hand" gui configs for samba, etc?09:01
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gommanscubeness, I have a dsl-modem that works as a dhcp-server and it is connected using ethernet, so I never had problems before (except with mdk 10)!09:02
cubenessgommans, the modem does the connting for you and you jack into like any old router?09:02
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cubenessconnecting09:02
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offrayHi all09:03
stevedeoHrm. I haven't actually upgraded this box since I installed. Which is recommended for ubuntu - upgrade or dist-upgrade?09:04
juliusmalchhello, I've tryed to install kernel 2.6.8 i686 smp, but when I reboot my machine my ps2 keyboard and my usb mouse does not work09:04
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Kamionstevedeo: if upgrade doesn't report any packages "held back", then there's no difference; if it does; try dist-upgrade :-)09:05
pisukestevedeo, i'm using dist-upgrade without any problems since beta so far09:05
juliusmalchshould I append any particular boot option?09:06
stevedeopisuke/Kamion: Cool, thanks09:06
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stevedeoHaha... I'm used to all this new synaptic terminology: Is "to be not upgraded" (ack... who wrote that?) equivalent to "held back"?09:07
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juliusmalchanyone please?09:08
Sam0rno09:09
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Kinnisonnot upgraded simply means that you didn't select to upgrade it09:13
stevedeoKinnison: Thanks09:13
dickmorrellweird still cant print09:13
dickmorrellhow strange09:13
akraello all.. Can anyone help me understand a font issue?09:13
Sam0rlet me guess09:14
Kinnisondickmorrell: can't print from the ubuntu machine; or to the ubuntu machine from elsewhere?09:14
Sam0ru installed the nvidia drivers...09:14
Sam0rthen ur fonts went mega small09:14
akralol - not quite. though you are right about the nvidia driver :)09:14
Sam0rwhats up with the fonts then/09:14
akralook at http://www.britlore.co.uk/ in firefox. The menu text is too big as each one should fit between the black lines09:15
dickmorrellakra your firefox settings09:15
akrait works fine in Firefox in windows, so I'm assuming that it's a font thing?09:15
dickmorrellunder edit preferences09:15
Sam0rworks fine on mac too09:15
dickmorrelljust change your fonts09:15
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dickmorrellor download static tar.gz for Debian 09:16
dickmorrellfrom www.opera.com09:16
dickmorrelland install in root shell09:16
supergearugly old opera09:16
dickmorrellfar better than Firefox09:16
dickmorrellits not old..09:16
dickmorrellhorses for courses09:16
supergearok09:16
akrathe menus on britlore.co.uk don't work in opera due to some poor css handling09:16
supergearugly opera09:16
dickmorrelllol09:16
henry-hi, how do i become root to place some pluggins into the xchat floder please. i tried copy/paste from floppy to the folder but it told me off 09:17
supergearfirefox/mozilla be the best atm09:17
akrasee http://www.the-allens.net/csstest/visible.htm for a test case09:17
Sam0rsudo -s09:17
Sam0rwhen it asks for password, stick yours in (the one you put in on the install for your username)09:17
supergearUbuntu seems nice09:17
dickmorrellit is09:17
dickmorrellI really like it09:17
dickmorrell3 hrs in09:17
dickmorrellconvert09:17
akraactually, I see that I last tested with 7.2.. isn't there a later version now ?09:17
supergearI just installed it :O09:17
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Sam0rit'd seem nice ifi could actually get into gnome..09:18
supergearGnome is nice09:18
supergearmich better than KDE09:18
akraso far, I've been very impressed with ubuntu - except it didn't find my graphics card and thought it was a SIS one...09:18
dickmorrellKDE 09:18
dickmorrelllol09:18
dickmorrellI have spent 6 yrs at Linux shows09:18
dickmorrellwith people including Linus09:18
dickmorrellsabotaging their stands09:18
supergearcool, dickmorrell09:18
supergearwant a brownie?09:18
dickmorrellhow old are you lol09:19
supergear:P09:19
housetiersabotage? how?09:19
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dickmorrellI think somewhere in Frankfurt09:19
dickmorrellthere is a KDE drago09:19
dickmorrellfloating in a river09:19
dickmorrelldragon09:19
dickmorrellheld hostage stolen while we were manning the VA Linux Sourceforge stand09:19
jayeola_brbgah! grub has fukced up!09:20
bad_ronaldHmm, does anyone know how to change the preferences for whether or not an icon for mounted drives appears on the desktop... I just edited fstab to read my ntfs partition, and I don't know how to remove the drive icon from my desktop...09:20
supergearoi I gotta edit grub09:20
supergearfor freebsd09:20
gommanscubeness: nope, it is connected to the telephone line and it simply works normally.09:21
bad_ronaldI wrote this line to fstab if it helps: "/dev/hda1       /mnt/win        ntfs    users,owner,ro,umask=000  0       0"09:21
jayeola_brbbad_ronald: something like 'emblems'09:21
bad_ronaldfrom the mounted drive icon's right click menu? or somewhere else?09:22
Deftbad_ronald: it's in the nautilus section in gconf, /apps/nautilus/desktop or something09:22
jayeola_brbcan't remember but it's a gui/graphical thing09:22
akraam I right in thinking that if I hit "mark all upgrades" and then "apply" in synaptic that I effectively have a system as up to date as if I had downloaded the latest nightly cd image ?09:22
Deftalthough, the only icons it should show are those mounted user or users09:22
jayeola_brboh shti, grub's dead -09:23
Deftwhich you don't need unless you want to mount them without root...09:23
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bad_ronaldSorry, so I should change the word "users" in the ntfs line of fstab to what exactly?09:24
bad_ronaldmy username or root?09:24
Deftif you don't need to mount or unmount it often, you don't needs users at all; that's only really for removable things as a rule09:25
bad_ronaldSo I can just delete it, and leave the <options> starting with owner,ro... ?09:26
akrais SME server from contribs.org still current enough to set up  a "fit and forget" mail and file server or is there a better solution nowadays?09:26
Deftbad_ronald: yes09:27
bad_ronaldthanks09:27
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willhi i get error FATAL ERROR: Bad logical partition 6: enlarged logical partitions overlap when i run cfdisk how can i rectify this???09:28
akraI really really wish that "open containing folder" in firefox's download folder would open a nautilus window !09:29
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Se7hone thing09:30
Se7him a few seconds from changing my GC09:30
Se7hwill ubuntu recognize the new one?09:30
willthe new what?09:30
Se7hgrafics card09:31
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willwhat are u talking about?09:31
Se7herm09:31
Se7him going to change my grafics card09:31
Se7hthats it09:32
RuffianSoldierWOW! This is the cleanest install (Ubuntu is) of a Distro i ever had!09:32
dickmorrellits amazing..09:32
Se7hwill ubuntu recognize it ?09:32
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DeftSe7h: it won't change the driver in XF86Config-4 automatically09:32
Se7hah ok09:32
Se7hso09:32
Se7ha xf86config09:33
Se7hwill do it09:33
Se7hright?09:33
Deftwell, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 would be easier09:33
sander_another flawless install! At least so far. :)09:33
willhi i get error 'FATAL ERROR: Bad logical partition 6: enlarged logical partitions overlap' when i run cfdisk how can i rectify this???09:33
bad_ronaldhmm... I eliminated the "users" string from the dev/hda1 line, but the icon for the ntfs partition still appears on the desktop...  what I wrote in fstab from <options> to the end of the line is: "owner,ro,umask=000  0       0"; what should I eliminate?09:33
sander_Anyone used Evolution 2 to connect to Exchange?09:33
bad_ronaldI tried logging out first09:34
Deftwill: fdisk will work09:34
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Deftbad_ronald: what's the "owner" option supposed to do?09:34
akraare the mailing list archives searchable?09:34
Se7hok09:34
Se7hbut since i want to change partitions size09:34
Se7hi think im going to reinstall ubuntu09:34
Se7hok09:35
Se7hbrb when im done09:35
jayeolai am already re-installing :(09:35
bad_ronaldI'm not sure, I've mounted my ntfs partition temporarily from the CLI before, but this is the first time I've edited fstab, I just read it on some linux-help forum...09:35
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bad_ronaldI know ro = read-only, but that's about it09:35
jayeolarw=read/write09:36
Deftbad_ronald: I've never tried for ntfs, but I don't see why you need "owner," whatever it is...09:36
akraapt is quite cool09:36
Sam0rif i make a fully graphican bootloader kernel and package etc so all you need to do is install the new kernel, then run the shell script to copy the boot splash onto the system, who would use it?09:36
Deftbad_ronald: for vfat, I use "gid=staff,uid=root,umask=003", which works fine09:36
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bad_ronaldIs staff the default group I.D. for Ubuntu?09:37
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willwhen i use fdisk i get= 'You will not be able to write the partition table. Unable to read /dev/hdc09:38
bad_ronaldOH, I found a gui option...nevermind but thanks for the help09:38
Sam0rhttp://www.bootsplash.de/files/themes/screenshots/Theme-SwirlPool-silent.png <-- nice debian boot theme09:38
bad_ronaldIt was mounting fine, it was just the icon that was a problem...09:39
Deftwill: you need to be root, so sudo fdisk /dev/...09:39
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BluMaxWhen U install Unbuntu, what is the default password for "root". I wish to login as root and have a desktop 09:39
DeftBluMax: root account is disabled (no password)09:39
willim logged in as root!09:40
willon the terminal09:40
akrais that faq frequent enough to be on the home page of ubuntulinux.org ?  :)09:40
Deftakra: I think it is...09:40
BluMaxroot has an account on my machine by default09:40
DeftBluMax: on ubuntu, it is not possible to log in as root with the default setup09:40
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BluMaxhmmm.... i am new to deb and want to install Midnight Commander. I have download'ed it and it is on my desktop. How do I get Synaptic to install it ??09:42
RichNRockville? does anyone run ubuntu on Microsoft's Virtual PC?  I have it installed but the video is not set to 1600x800 and I know the screen icons are there but the cursor and icons are all bit's not together. (I'm a real nubie at this)09:42
DeftBluMax: what have you downloaded? a tarball?09:43
BluMaxno a ".deb" file09:43
jayeolaBluMax: i installed an mc from here...http://dag.wieers.com/09:44
jayeolamidnight commander rules!09:44
RuffianSoldierHOw long is the regestering of hte documentation part of the install take??????09:44
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DeftBluMax: synaptic doesn't do debs directly; you either get it from an apt archive, or use sudo dpkg -i lkjasd.deb on the command line09:44
RuffianSoldieroh09:44
RuffianSoldierits done09:44
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BluMaxok thanks for now09:45
akraisn't mc in universe?09:45
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RichNRockville? does anyone run ubuntu on Microsoft's Virtual PC?  I have it installed but the video is  set to 1600x800 and I know the screen icons are there but the cursor and icons are all bit's not together. (I'm a real nubie at this)  I have gone into the ctrl alt f2 and executed sudo nano -w /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and the video modes are all 1024x768 which is acceptable. I would even go for 600x800 if that is the only thing av09:47
BluMaxdoes dpkg -i lkjasd check for all dependecies?09:48
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Sam0rRichNRockville email me your xf86 config file to sam AT trippie DOT co DOT  uk09:48
DeftBluMax: it will refuse to install if there are unmet dependencies09:48
Sam0rand i'll email it back edited with the right shit09:48
BluMaxthanks again09:49
RuffianSoldiermy xserver is acting up!09:49
RichNRockvillethanks samOr will try to get the file to you..09:50
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RuffianSoldierMY XSERVER IS ACTING PU09:50
RuffianSoldierUP09:50
akraI've fixed my font problem in firefox by installing the ms core fonts. Presumably there's a better way though09:51
DeftRuffianSoldier: how?09:51
RuffianSoldierits not starting09:51
RuffianSoldieri even congfigured xf86config09:51
Deftwhat is it doing?09:52
RuffianSoldierhold on, i restarted my computer09:52
RuffianSoldierlet me tell you in a sec09:52
RuffianSoldierFatal IO error, connection reset by peer on xserver09:54
RuffianSoldierweird09:54
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Deftwhere does it print that?09:54
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RuffianSoldierafter i type startx09:55
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Deftare you not using gdm then?09:55
RuffianSoldieri just finished the install09:56
RuffianSoldierof Ubuntu09:56
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Deftdamn... anyway, X should start by itself09:57
akradidn't for me :)09:57
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Deftwell, it should always try09:57
MyKq3what do u say about installing Ubuntu on P2 266Hz with 16M memory.09:57
akraah yeah - it did that :)09:57
RuffianSoldierx never did09:58
akraI currently have an XKB error though09:58
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datok.. i downloaded the iso, did a dd to convert it over to my usb flashdrive... do i have to do anything else to make the flashdrive bootable?09:58
akrahave a feeling it's related to trying to the variant field that I had to fill in for a pc105 keyboard09:58
RuffianSoldierany help for me?09:59
neighborleeI'm trying to install 'glables'...but a version from the project webpage...its calling for a dependency ( via dpkg ) that for some reason isn't in apt repository yet its clearly in debain unstable...I thought the ubuntu one was a mirror image but apparanlty not ?09:59
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ashganhello10:01
neighborleeglabels depends on libgnutls11 (>= 1.0.16); however: < but apt-get can't find it yet its on debians unstable repos....where should I report this ? ;-)10:01
DeftRuffianSoldier: when you start ubuntu, what is on terminal 7?10:01
tsengtberman: hi10:01
neighborleeashgan, hi10:01
BluMaxOK, i tried to install "gmc_4.5.55-1.2woody3_powerpc.deb. Its complaining thatmany lib files are not there. Is ther an automated way to do this where the package installer goes off and collects all the dependencies and installs them ?10:01
RuffianSoldierdeft. what is terminal 7?10:01
DeftBluMax: if you can get it from an apt archive, everything is done automatically10:01
DeftRuffianSoldier: terminal 7 is where X normally runs, you get there with ctrl+alt+f710:02
BluMaxwhere i sthis and what is the command lin eto do this10:02
DeftBluMax: where did you get the deb package from?10:02
RuffianSoldieruuuhhh10:02
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tbermantseng: your gtkhtml deps are bad against a current warty repo.10:03
tbermantseng: versions are different, .11 is the new one i believe.10:03
RuffianSoldierwhen i boot up my system, i have to loggin, then type startx10:03
tbermantseng: so libgnome-cil is uninstallable10:03
tsengtberman: um10:03
RuffianSoldierits jus the black screen and the white font10:03
tsengtberman: ok10:03
BluMaxwww.debian.org/security/2004/dsa-49710:03
tbermantseng: which makes monodoc, monodevelop, etc uninstallable10:03
tbermantseng: just passin along the warnin :)10:03
tsengtberman: ok thanks10:04
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tsengtberman: i dont think ill fix it today, sorry10:04
DeftRuffianSoldier: ok, from a terminal, try typing "sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart"10:04
RuffianSoldierwhy is this not working10:04
tbermantseng: not an issue, just informin :)10:04
tbermantseng: i dont use your packages, i install from cvs for development purposes, a coworker mentioned it.10:04
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RuffianSoldierit says i have the wrong password!10:05
RuffianSoldiergrrrrrrr10:05
RuffianSoldierooh10:05
RuffianSoldieri got it10:05
BluMaxDeft:  ??????10:05
DimSumAnyone got the Ubuntu logo in Source PNG?10:06
DeftBluMax: if mc is in debian, it should be in ubuntu's universe:10:06
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RuffianSoldierIt syas: Cannot start xserver and it asks if i want to diognose the problem10:06
DimSumOr do I have to re-draw it myself? ;P10:06
DeftBluMax: open synaptic, go to Prefences | repositories (I think)10:06
jayeola_afkum u prolly have a funny resolution setting, RuffianSoldier - that happened to me10:06
DeftBluMax: then tick the box next to the line that has universe in it, untick the one with just main and secutiry10:06
RuffianSoldierjayeola_afk, how should i set it?10:07
jayeola_afkum, sudo /etx/X11/XFcon.blah or something like that10:07
jayeola_afkthen look for your default depth....10:08
DeftRuffianSoldier: run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", if nothing seems out of place, we'll need to know the actual error text10:08
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willhi how do i setup a bootloader, i have a fresh copy of ubuntu on an extended partition and win98 on the primary, hda10:10
BluMaxDeft" nothing there that says Universe in it10:10
jayeola_afkjust RuffianSoldier u should paste the file in #flood10:10
willat the mo it boots straight too ubuntu10:10
RuffianSoldieri cant paste the file, because im on a different computer, duh10:11
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jayeola_afk*ahem* i knew that10:11
DeftBluMax: it is over to the right hand side, you'll need to scroll10:11
RuffianSoldierit wants me to select the desired x server driver10:11
RuffianSoldierwhat should i choose, i have a 16MB PCI VooDoo3 card10:11
akraBluMax: scroll to the right in the repositories window10:11
akrabah! Deft types faster than me!10:12
RuffianSoldierRuffianSol: it wants me to select the desired x server driver10:12
RuffianSoldierRuffianSol: what should i choose, i have a 16MB PCI VooDoo3 card10:12
willhello? can n e 1 help?10:12
akrawill: it should have set up grub for you when you installed ubuntu. 10:13
BluMaxhmmmm in |"repositories" there is nothing that says "universe" !!10:13
akrawill: most likely you missed the 3 second window to hit the escape key 10:13
RuffianSoldierim in a hurry10:13
RuffianSoldieri would like to get this done10:13
BluMaxDeft: on right hand side10:13
RuffianSoldierdeft: RuffianSol: it wants me to select the desired x server driver10:13
RuffianSoldierRuffianSol: what should i choose, i have a 16MB PCI VooDoo3 card10:13
DeftRuffianSoldier: what is selected? I don't know what the driver is called, but vesa will do if for testing10:14
akrabluemax: settings->repostitories. in the list, the columns are: enabled, type, uri, distribution and section(s)10:14
RuffianSoldierdeft. what about vga?10:14
akrathe section(s) column has "universe" for two rows for me10:14
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willno grub set up!10:15
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DeftRuffianSoldier: either choose voodoo (or whatever the driver is called) or vesa10:15
RichNRockvilleSamOr, I sent a message with the file in text in the message..10:15
RuffianSoldierkk10:16
edward__hi again, i was in here yesterday, i still can't get sound to work, can anyone help?10:16
Deftedward__: what is the problem/sound card?10:16
BluMaxDeft: ??????10:16
edward__its a SB Live emu10k110:16
Deftedward__: should work fine then, are you getting no sound at all?10:17
edward__i'm now getting "could not open resource for writing" whenever i try to play anything10:17
RuffianSoldierhow many kilobytes is 16 megobytes, and i need the exact number!10:17
DeftRuffianSoldier: leave that blank10:17
thanomultiply by 102410:17
HcERuffianSoldier: 1638410:17
RuffianSoldierjkk10:17
RuffianSoldierkk10:17
Deftedward__: do you know if the driver is getting loaded?10:17
will1024km = 1 mb"!10:18
RuffianSoldierShould i use kernal frame buffer device interface????10:18
edward__i also have a dvb tv card that has a bttv componant, so it might be getting mixed up with that10:18
DeftRuffianSoldier: no10:18
RuffianSoldierkk10:18
willcan anyone help with grub???10:18
BluMax.10:18
akrawill: what boot loader is it using then?10:18
edward__i have snd_emu10k1 loaded10:19
RuffianSoldierdeft, whats the mouse port for a PS/2 mouse???10:19
edward__and snd_bttv10:19
HcERuffianSoldier: /dev/psaux10:19
DeftRuffianSoldier: /dev/input/mice should work, as should /dev/psaux; leave as is probably10:19
thanocan anyone tell me if ubntu has an applet similar to Windows Disk Management? i added 4 scsi disks & would like to configure them.10:19
BluMaxDeft:  no "universe" on right hand side !10:19
DeftBluMax: do you have a list of lines, starting deb or deb-src?10:19
BluMaxyes10:20
edward__i can use alsamixer, bt87x is card 0 and emu10k1 is card 110:20
willi have no boot loader at the mo10:20
RuffianSoldierYES! IT WORKS!10:20
RuffianSoldierstartx worked10:20
DeftBluMax: if you scroll the box to the right, you should see a line with main security, and one with the same but also universe10:20
akracool10:20
BluMaxright hand side on those say  "main restriced"   no universe10:21
RuffianSoldierlets just hope the internet works10:21
DeftBluMax: have you changed your /etc/apt/sources.list file at all?10:21
thanoanyone?10:22
willakra= can u help?10:22
BluMaxDeft:  ahhh  ok  I have a line that says on right hand side that says  "main restricted universe"    sorry !!!10:22
akrawill: maybe. little confused atm as I can't see how you boot to linux without a boot loader10:23
BluMaxi jst needed to tick it  first10:23
DeftBluMax: ok, tick the box for the line starting "deb", and ending in "universe", untick anything else10:23
willwell where would i find the config files10:23
akrawill: /boot/grub/menu.lst  I think10:23
edward__any suggestions?10:23
willwill check now10:24
BluMaxok  now what10:24
Deftedward__: could you try not loading the driver for the other thing?10:24
akrathano: no idea, sorry10:24
DeftBluMax: Refresh the package list, and search the packacge called mc10:24
edward__how do i do that?10:25
Deftedward__: add the driver to hotplug's blacklist10:25
willakra: thanx!!!!!10:25
thanoakra, is there a way for me to re-run setup within ubuntu?10:25
edward__how do i do that?10:25
akrawill: if you have that file, put a # in front of the line with "hiddenmenu" on it10:25
Deft/etc/hotplug/blacklist10:25
akrawill: and change "timeout   3" to something like "timeout 10"10:25
RuffianSoldierYAY!10:25
akrathano: no idea, sorry.10:26
Deftthano: which setup?10:26
thanono prob :) anyone else maybe help? i addded 4 scsi disks to ubuntu & need to be able to "view" them so i can configure tem. i'm looking for the disk managemnt applet in ubuntu10:27
BluMaxDeft:ok    I have now located "mc". Do I just dbl ckick it?10:28
thanoor somehow maybe re-run setup from winthin ubuntu10:28
edward__well i added snd_bt87x and bttv to that file, do I have to reboot now?10:28
DeftBluMax: yes, or right click and select install10:28
Deftedward__: yes10:28
BluMaxDeft: thanks a bunch for all !!10:28
edward__hmm, and theres me thinking linux never needed rebooting except to upgrade the kernel10:29
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thanoany ideas?10:30
Deftthano: what is it that you need to configure?10:30
thanoi added 4 more scsi disks, but need to be able to "view" them so i can configure them. how would i go about doing that? :)10:31
thanolooking for a disk managemnt type applet10:31
Deftthano: what do you mean by configure them?10:32
thanoi booted back into ubuntu after adding the drives but dont know where to go to partioin them, etc10:32
thano*partition10:32
Deftthano: partitioning can be done with cfdisk if you don't mind a little text10:33
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q2_awesome10:35
q2_ubuntu works10:35
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thanodeft, this is all i see: 10:36
thanosda1        Boot        Primary   Linux ext3                        1003.4910:36
thano    sda2                    Primary   Linux ext3                       17380.0210:36
edward__deft: it's still loading them10:36
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WXjoin #C10:36
WXer10:36
akraI have to admit that this is the first time I've felt "comfortable" with a desktop Linux box. So far, everything has fitted together nicely and done what I expected.  Very good work !10:36
thanoakra i agree. ubuntu looks real nice10:37
BluMaxDeft: all I see is "Mark for installation".   ?????10:37
Deftedward__: odd, you could try unloading all snd drivers, then loading snd_emu10k110:37
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DeftBluMax: yes, that's what you want; it'[ll be installed when you click apply10:37
edward__Deft: how do i do that10:37
thanodeft i ran cfdisk but only see the single drive (sda) that ubuntu is loaded on :(10:38
kammequestion, how do I install all gcc and libs at once?10:38
Deftedward__: "sudo modprobe -r driver", then the same without the -r to load10:38
willhow do i get permision to edit the grub config file??10:38
kammewill, use sudo vi10:38
Deftthano: does ls /dev/sd* show other drives?10:38
thanoi will check10:38
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akrawill: sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst10:39
q2_IF i were to install another desktop environment on Ubuntu, how would i use it instead of Gnome10:39
willwhat is this vi stuff!10:39
akrawill: use ctrl+w to save to disk and ctrl+x (I think) to exit10:39
thanodeft it goes from sda to sde10:39
kammewill, vi is a console editor10:40
Deftthano: then try sudo cfdisk /dev/sdwhatever10:40
thanook10:40
lucas_is there somebody here I could talk to about a port of Ubuntu to Sparc ?10:40
akrawill: much easier to use nano :)10:40
kammeSo no simple command to install all of gcc at once?10:41
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sam0r2ffs10:41
BluMaxDeft:  Gosh, now isn't that easy.  I have been a Slackware user for years and have deelt  with Tarballs only.  Thanks again !!!!10:41
willahh thanx!10:42
willall done !10:42
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akrawill: great !10:42
edward__Deft: it won't let me remove many of them, "FATAL: Module ... is in use"10:42
willyou are saviors!10:42
akrakamme: synaptic  - search for gcc ?10:42
willgonna reboot now and test if i never come back i have probably blown up linux!!10:43
edward__ubuntu:/home/edward# lsmod|grep snd10:43
edward__snd_emu10k1            80776  210:43
edward__snd_rawmidi            23232  1 snd_emu10k110:43
edward__snd_seq_device          7944  2 snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi10:43
edward__snd_ac97_codec         59268  1 snd_emu10k110:43
edward__snd_util_mem            4608  1 snd_emu10k110:43
edward__snd_hwdep               9120  1 snd_emu10k110:43
edward__snd_pcm                85540  1 snd_emu10k110:43
edward__snd_timer              23172  1 snd_pcm10:43
edward__snd                    50660  12 snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_ac97_codec,snd_util_mem,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm,snd_timer10:43
edward__snd_page_alloc         11144  2 snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm10:43
edward__soundcore               9824  4 emu10k1,sound,snd,bttv10:43
edward__ubuntu:/home/edward# modprobe -r snd10:43
edward__FATAL: Module snd is in use.10:43
edward__ubuntu:/home/edward# modprobe -r snd_emu10k110:43
edward__FATAL: Module snd_emu10k1 is in use.10:43
edward__ubuntu:/home/edward# modprobe -r snd_rawmidi10:43
edward__FATAL: Module snd_rawmidi is in use.10:43
edward__ubuntu:/home/edward# modprobe -r snd_seq_device10:43
edward__FATAL: Module snd_seq_device is in use.10:43
Deftget the idea...10:43
edward__ubuntu:/home/edward# modprobe -r snd_ac97_codec10:43
edward__FATAL: Module snd_ac97_codec is in use.10:43
edward__ubuntu:/home/edward# modprobe -r snd_util_mem10:43
edward__FATAL: Module snd_util_mem is in use.10:43
edward__ubuntu:/home/edward# modprobe -r snd_hwdep10:44
edward__FATAL: Module snd_hwdep is in use.10:44
edward__ubuntu:/home/edward# modprobe -r snd_timer10:44
edward__FATAL: Module snd_timer is in use.10:44
edward__ubuntu:/home/edward# modprobe -r soundcore10:44
edward__FATAL: Module soundcore is in use.10:44
kammeakra, cool, I didn't know of synaptic ;)10:44
akrame either until ubuntu :)10:44
DimSumYay, spam.10:45
DimSumFlooding, etc.10:45
DimSumAnyone know what font is used in the Ubuntu logo?10:45
kammethis sure beats typing everything in a terminal10:45
akrakamme: *grin*10:46
kammeit's installed :)10:46
sam0r2how to you unzip a bz2 file??10:46
kammethanks a lot :)10:46
akrasam0r2: bzip2 -d filename.bz210:46
Deftsam: bunzip210:47
sam0r2cheers10:47
akranp kamme10:47
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Greenskyis there anywhere you can request a packge be added to ubuntu?10:48
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akraGreensky: how about http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/UniverseCandidates ?10:50
Greenskyakra, gracias10:51
akraalternatively, try the mailing lists10:51
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GreenskyI'm not sure how to edit the page though :\10:52
Greenskyjust trying to suggest galeon... galeon.sf.net10:52
akrausually with a wiki you have register first10:52
Greenskyok, thanks... I've never used a wiki before10:53
thanodeft, i created partitions & formatted the drives like you told me with cfdisk. where do i go in the file manager gui to view them of put data on them?10:53
thanoanyone?10:54
akrathano: you would need to mount them into the filesystem 10:55
akrathano: look at /etc/fstab10:55
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thanok i'll look10:55
thano# /etc/fstab: static file system information.10:56
thano#10:56
thano# <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>10:56
thanoproc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       010:56
thano/dev/sda2       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       110:56
thano/dev/sda1       /boot           ext3    defaults        0       210:56
thano/dev/sdb2       /home           reiserfs defaults        0       210:56
thano/dev/sdb1       none            swap    sw              0       010:56
thano/dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       010:56
thano/dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       010:56
thanoi am "missing" 4 scsi disks10:57
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akrathank: add your new drives at the bottom with new mount points. the mount points are directories that are already created10:57
akrathanno: even :)10:57
thanook one sec :)10:57
akrathano: eg. create set of directories such as /newdrive1 /newdrive2 etc10:57
akrathano then you can do:10:57
akra /dev/<drive>       /newdrive1           ext3 (or whatever) defaults        0    010:58
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sam0r2DAMMIT10:59
sam0r2i just broke it10:59
thanoare those new directories (newdrive, etc) in fstab?  example, /dev/sdc/data   ?10:59
sam0r2*finds the cd*11:00
akrathe new dirs are on the existing drive that is mounted on /11:00
thanoakra i cannot edit fstab!11:00
akra /dev/sda2 in your case11:00
akrause sudo 11:01
thano?11:01
akrause: sudo nano /etc/fstab11:01
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akraor whatever your favourite editor is11:01
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Georgeyoyo11:02
Georgeis ubuntu well supported on PowerPC?11:03
Georgepondering giving it a try after Daniel Stone extolled the virtues of it to me11:03
akrathe mailing lists seem appreciative of it's powerpc support. no idea personally 11:04
Georgewell, hopefully it'll support my 3 year old powerbook with ease :)11:04
akra :)11:05
akragive it a try and see what happens !11:05
thanoakra, i am aditing fstab & have put:  /dev/sdc1       /atlas2data     reiserfs11:05
Georgeakra: heh11:05
Georgeakra: downloading at the moment11:05
Georgeakra: I left my powerbook at school so I can't test it till I get back in a couple of days though :)11:05
thanobut do i have to put anything under Options or <dump> or <pass>  ??11:06
akrageorge: typical!11:06
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akrathano: use defaults 0 0 11:06
thanook11:06
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akrathano: then make sure you have no file manager windows open to /atlas2data (or a terminal window in that dir)11:07
thanook. how does this look before i write the changes:   11:08
akrathano: then you should be able to type mount /atlas2data to attach your new drive to the filesystem11:08
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thanodev/sdc1       /atlas2data     reiserfs defaults        0       011:09
thanodev/sdd1       /atlas3data     reiserfs defaults        0       011:09
thanodev/sde1       /atlas4data     reiserfs defaults        0       011:09
thanolook ok?11:09
akraassuming you formatted as reiserfs, yes11:09
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willahhh sucess11:09
akrawill: :)11:10
willbtw when ubuntu shuts down how do i get it to completely power off the pc?11:10
thanook. i will play around with it. i have to run an arrend right now. akra thanks so much for your help & patience. i hope i can figure it out later :)11:10
akrathano: np. any problems, come back and hopefully someone will be able to help :)11:10
thano:p11:10
akrawill: no idea - haven't turned it off yet :)11:11
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willwhat about this error i get when i load cfdisk 11:15
will'FATAL ERROR: Bad logical partition 6: enlarged logical partitions overlap'11:15
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occyhmm11:15
willpartitionmagic in DOS cant find any problems11:16
occyhaving issues with pcmcia wireless and ubuntu11:16
LinuxJonesHi everyone !!11:16
occyhey LJ11:16
akrawill: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2003/12/msg01637.html11:17
occyhaving issues with trying to install 11:17
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LinuxJones:D11:17
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willthanks!11:18
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occySo when I boot up my Ubuntu CD, (on my Dell Inspirion 7500 laptop)  I can't seem to get past the loading pcmcia stuff.  It spins up the CD and just hangs11:18
willso how do i mount a fat32 drive on hda say partition 5 or 6?11:18
akraedit fstab11:19
occyI got it installed just peachy on my desktop11:19
occyUbuntu that is11:19
joemmount -t vfat /dev/hda5 /mountpoint11:19
LinuxJonesoccy, wireless cards are causing some problems for alot of people at the moment.11:19
willwhat are good mountpoints to use/create?11:20
occyLinuxJones: I take out the card, and just try and install... and the same problem.11:21
neighborlee not sure what opinions of others are or where this is best voiced...but I think not allowing option to turn off spatial mode in 'prefs' is odd at besst and I'd like to see it implemented ,- what do you think? ( and where is this best voiced )....11:21
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occyLinuxJones: it's detecting the cardmanager stuff... and not allowing it to get past.11:21
occywith no pcmcia card loaded in the slot11:21
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LinuxJonesoccy, can you disable pcmcia in the systems's bios temporarily and see f you can get any further ?11:21
occyhmm I reckon I could.11:22
akrawill: depends :)11:22
occy(well, if I can - if the bios can that is)11:22
akrawill: I use /c and /d because I'm lazy and it's less typing11:22
akrawill: anywhere under /mnt is also popular11:23
willhow do you create these dirs?11:23
willsay under /mnt11:23
willsay /mnt/d11:23
akrasudo mkdir /mnt/d11:24
sivangdoes anybody know if there rsync support for people.ubuntulinux.com ?11:24
willwow the same as msdos!11:24
joemneighborlee, uh, there is an option to turn it off in prefs11:24
akraah11:24
akrathought msdos was md ?11:25
willokay next question i have a film i want to watch in a directory in my mounted drive...how the hell do i get in!?!?!?11:25
neighborleejoem, i'm not finding it if there is11:25
joemunder behavior, always use browser11:25
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willeverything is greyed out!11:26
akrawill: no idea, sorry11:26
neighborleejoem: oh wait I found it sorry11:26
neighborleeargh11:26
neighborleennnnnm ;-)11:26
willso u can mount a drive, but u cant access anything?11:26
akrayou should be able to get at it11:27
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akrahow did you mount it ?11:27
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willakra: sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hda5 /mnt11:28
neighborleeshould I send a bug report for an item not in universe yet in debians unstable archive ? 11:28
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akrawill: type cd /mnt11:29
akrathen ls -l11:29
akrawhat are the permissions11:29
willah it is denied!11:29
akrapermissions issue then11:29
willbash says cd: /mnt: Permission denied11:29
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willand how do i modify em then?11:30
akraok - what's ls -ld /mnt give?11:30
willit gives me a listing of the files in blue11:30
akrawill: I'm nearly sure that you need to mount the drive with a user option set somewhere11:30
willwhere do i set these then?11:31
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akrahopefully someone who knows fstab without having to look it all up will step in about now...11:32
joemwhat do you need with fstab?11:32
willakra: you have been so helpful! cant thank u enough11:32
willsetting permissions?11:33
akrajoem: he needs to mount his windows partition with enough permissions to get at it as a normal user :)11:33
joemin the options line of fstab, add the users option11:33
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willjoem: typing fstab gives me command not found11:34
joem/dev/hdx       /mnt/win           vfat     users        0       211:34
akrafstab is a file11:34
joemwill, /etc/fstab is a file11:34
joemnot a command11:34
willahah!11:34
akrasudo nano /etc/fstab11:35
joemnano -w11:35
willoaky will have a look now....brb11:35
akraooh! didn't know about -w11:35
joemakra, man nano11:36
willoaky its looking clearer now11:36
willwhat is -w for11:36
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akrahave just done so :)  I don't use it, just recommend it to people who don't know vi or emacs11:36
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joemdisable line wrap11:36
LinuxJoneswill, It prevents word wrapping11:36
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willthats a good!11:37
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willjoem: so what do i need to change then under dump or pass?11:37
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joemwill, look at what I posted above, should be all you need11:38
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willjoem: do i just add the line in for every partition i need?11:39
joemhow many windows partitions do you have that need mounting?11:39
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willwell i have about 3 hard disks11:40
willsorry guys it must be like speaking to children!11:41
LinuxJoneswill, everybody is the same when they start using Linux :D11:41
ynefwill: what seems to be the problem? i've missed what you're asking about?11:42
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Mitariohello everyone11:42
Mitarioany ideas on why I can't save recorded audio which I recorded with gnome-audio-recorder?11:43
LinuxJonesMitario, hi11:43
willokay do i need to restart now i have edited and saved fstab?11:43
Lovechildhi joem 11:43
LinuxJonesMitario, where are you trying to save your audio files to ?11:43
MitarioDesktop or $HOME11:43
ynefwill: the mounts you've set to "auto" will be mounted if you just issue the command "mount -a" as root11:44
LinuxJonesMitario, that's odd11:44
willit says mount point /mnt/d does not exist!11:45
Mitariojup11:45
Mitariothe filebrowser pops up11:45
MitarioI click save, but nothing happens11:45
Mitariono files.. nothing11:45
joemhi Lovechild11:45
Mitariotried to run with a higher gst-debug-level, and there are no errors11:45
ynefwill: then you haven't made that directory yet, right?11:45<