[12:02] <RichNRockville> Thanks, I now can try to figure out how to get into my laptop's XF86.. file.. tks all..
[12:06] <funkytwig> hi, just added a CDROM and gnome dies after a gew seconds ;(;
[12:06] <Atticus> hello, im having problems with my UT2004 install, i get the load scren then nothing happens... anyone know whats up?
[12:07] <geeklegacy> hi.
[12:07] <Gonneman> hi
[12:07] <Atticus> nojo: hey hows it going
[12:07] <geeklegacy> can you help me with a quick question?
[12:07] <nojo> oh hey Atticus did you work your problem out
[12:08] <Atticus> nojo: yea i think its ok, but i have a new problem now regarding UT2004 linux haha
[12:08] <nojo> aha
[12:08] <nojo> what was the problem kernel driver issue?
[12:08] <Atticus> i have installed it, but when i go to run it.. the game load picture comes up then afer like 30 seconds it just goes away and nothing loads
[12:09] <nojo> hehe
[12:09] <nojo> I'm trying to get used to this sudo stuff
[12:09] <geeklegacy> I'm new to ubuntu - I can't seem to install the nvidia nforce and video drivers.... do I have to download a specific version for ubuntu?
[12:09] <Gonneman> I'm trying to setup up a Linux installation disk for our Laptops at university
[12:09] <nojo> like when I enter my firewal lscript and it goes to access iptable commands it deinies me access..any suggestions for runnign this with sudo
[12:09] <Gonneman> it's supposed to be as userfrendly as possible
[12:10] <Atticus> geeklegacy: why do you need to install new nvidia drivers
[12:10] <Gonneman> so I was hoping to set up an iso or something plus ad something for setting password and generationg accounts
[12:10] <Gonneman> any suggestions on how to do that?
[12:11] <Gonneman> as in links to howtos
[12:11] <geeklegacy> Atticus: becuase mine dont display correctly - which always happens until I install the latest drivers.
[12:11] <Atticus> geeklegacy: did you try searching synaptic's browser
[12:11] <geeklegacy> Atticus: whats that?
[12:12] <geeklegacy> Atticus: i'm an avid slackware user, so ubuntu is throwing rocks at my forehead.
[12:12] <Atticus> go to Computer>system config> synaptic
[12:12] <geeklegacy> Atticus: thanks, i'll give it a whirl.
[12:12] <Atticus> geeklegacy once in the browser, click search 
[12:13] <Atticus> then just type nvidia or whatever
[12:13] <geeklegacy> Atticus: ok.
[12:14] <geeklegacy> Atticus: i only get a few packages - but none of them are the nvidia drivers...
[12:14] <Atticus> geeklegacy: hmm, im an ati user myself, perhaps someone else knows more about nvidia's drivers
[12:14] <geeklegacy> Atticus: ok thank's for your help.
[12:15] <Atticus> geeklegacy did you download drivers from nvidias site
[12:16] <geeklegacy> Atticus: yes
[12:16] <geeklegacy> Atticus: but they are .run files - i've always used them before and never had a problem.
[12:16] <Atticus> ok try this...
[12:16] <geeklegacy> Atticus: but now they give me errors about source directory tree.
[12:16] <cubeness> i just want gnome to load again
[12:17] <geeklegacy> cubeness: lol
[12:17] <Atticus> type chmod +x NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6111-pkg1.run to make the file executable
[12:17] <Atticus> then type sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6111-pkg1.run 
[12:17] <geeklegacy> Atticus: the file runs, it just doesn't find the source directory tree.
[12:18] <Atticus> geeklegacy: hmm
[12:18] <geeklegacy> Atticus: one second
[12:18] <geeklegacy> Atticus: i think I may have found something.
[12:18] <Atticus> whats that?
[12:20] <geeklegacy> Atticus: reading some posts on a webite - 1 sec.
[12:20] <Atticus> geeklegacy: ok
[12:21] <Telep> Hi guys, I'm intending to install Apache for purely local testing purposes, so I'm wondering what would be the easiest way to block all incoming outside traffic? Do I really need to setup a firewall?
[12:22] <Atticus> geeklegacy: type sudo sh /home/dcarpenter/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6111-pkg1.run
[12:22] <thom> just tell apache to listen on localhost only
[12:22] <thom> Listen 127.0.0.1
[12:22] <Telep> thom: ah, ok
[12:22] <thom> Listen 127.0.0.1:80 
[12:22] <Telep> thanks
[12:22] <thom> rather 
[12:22] <thom> (sorry, over-eager enter key)
[12:22] <Telep> :)
[12:23] <Telep> a common habit :)
[12:23] <geeklegacy> Atticus: hehehe - the synaptic browser worked.
[12:23] <Atticus> Geeklegacy: i just downloaded the installer and typed this and it worked sudo sh /home/<usernamehere>/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6111-pkg1.run
[12:23] <geeklegacy> its just naming is different under this - so i didnt realize the package.
[12:23] <Atticus> geeklegacy: there ya go :D
[12:23] <geeklegacy> yes Atticus: the installer works - it just had errors trying to install
[12:23] <geeklegacy> :)
[12:23] <geeklegacy> ok let me restart X
[12:23] <Atticus> ok awesome glad you got it worked out
[12:23] <Atticus> good luck
[12:23] <geeklegacy> lets see if it worked
[12:23] <geeklegacy> lol
[12:24] <geeklegacy> brb
[12:24] <Atticus> k
[12:24] <ggi> Atticus: Couldn't he just have used the NVIDIA packages in universe?
[12:24] <Telep> thom: one more question - do I just add that line to httpd.conf?
[12:25] <Atticus> ggi: he got it worked out i believe, he found the nvidia drivers in synaptic
[12:25] <Atticus> ggi: im not sure if he used the universe package or not
[12:25] <nojo> brb
[12:26] <ggi> Atticus: Meh. I forget how to install them anyway.
[12:26] <Atticus> ggi: im no pro either, this is my first day using linux lol
[12:27] <ggi> Atticus: You seem to be doing pretty well for your first day. I just haven't installed the drivers on Debian recently.
[12:28] <Atticus> ggi: ive been logged into this channel all day asking questions and probably annoying the heck out of ppl :D
[12:28] <thom> Telep: /etc/apache2/ports.conf
[12:28] <thom> it's what it's there for :-0
[12:29] <Telep> ok :)
[12:30] <Telep> thom: I'm not really familiar with setting up apache - never really had the need to :)
[12:30] <Atticus> do any of you have UT2004 installed with ubuntu?
[12:30] <Telep> the only reason I need it is to be able to test php scripts locally :)
[12:32] <dieman> with the right $*(#)$#*()@! usb-discover information.
[12:32] <cubeness> php is wrong
[12:33] <Telep> o'boy... I love language wars
[12:33] <Telep> (not)
[12:33] <thom> Telep: #apache on this network is a really good support resource if you need in depth help with apache at any point
[12:33] <ggi> Atticus: Do you get any error messages when UT2004 fails?
[12:33] <Telep> thom: ok, thanks for your help :)
[12:37] <Atticus> ggi: i click the launcher i made for UT2004, and the UT2004 screen comes up like normal and acts like the game is loading, then it just stops with no error message
[12:37] <Atticus> ggi: when i installed i chose base install, could this be the problem?
[12:38] <ggi> Atticus: Try running ut2004 in a terminal to see if it gives any output when it fails.
[12:38] <Atticus> ok   just type sh <directory> to run it?
[12:40] <ggi> Atticus: I think it could be just 'ut2004', from what I remember of UT2003.
[12:41] <Atticus> ggi: this is the out put  
[12:41] <Atticus> ggi: Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[12:41] <Atticus> WARNING: ALC_EXT_capture is subject to change!
[12:42] <Atticus> Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
[12:42] <ggi> Atticus: Do you have the fglrx drivers installed? (the proprietary ATI ones)
[12:43] <Atticus> ggi: no, i have default ubuntu ati drivers
[12:43] <ggi> Atticus: What card do you have?
[12:43] <Atticus> ggi: whatever ubuntu comes with is what i have
[12:43] <Atticus> ggi: ati 9800xt
[12:45] <ggi> Atticus: Nice. Well, Ubuntu doesn't include the drivers you need (yet, I believe they plan to). The drivers you're using only support Radeons up to the 9200 just now.
[12:46] <Atticus> so i will be unable to play for now?
[12:46] <ggi> No, not if you install the drivers yourself.
[12:47] <Atticus> ggi: ok how can i do this?
[12:48] <ggi> Atticus: There are fglrx packages in restricted, it seems. Try apt-get installing 'fglrx-driver'.
[12:49] <Atticus> ggi: can i download the driver from ati?
[12:50] <ggi> Atticus: Yeah, I guess. They have released recently so the version in the archive may be a bit older than the ones from ATI.
[12:50] <MyKq3> how can i install codecs for UbuntuLinux? 
[12:50] <MyKq3> i have tryed  apt-get install win32-codec but it tells me that there is no sach package
[12:50] <ggi> Atticus: http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/linux/radeon-linux.html?type=linux&prodType=graphic&prod=productsLINUXdriver&submit.x=9&submit.y=10&submit=GO%21
[12:51] <Atticus> ggi: the file from ATI is .rpm... how do i install this?
[12:51] <axe9dotcom> I did something stupid....
[12:52] <ggi> Atticus: Do 'sudo alien --to-deb fglrx-<whatever>'.
[12:52] <Atticus> ggi: hold now
[12:52] <Atticus> ggi: i am a newbie remember lol
[12:52] <axe9dotcom> ~_~
[12:52] <ggi> Atticus?
[12:53] <axe9dotcom> I did the remove bar thing to the area by the clock, and it's gone
[12:53] <Atticus> ggi: can u explain what this will do, so i learn something :D
[12:53] <ggi> Whoops, sorry. Typo.
[12:53] <crimsun> MyKq3: do you have totem-xine installed?
[12:53] <axe9dotcom> not the bar
[12:53] <MyKq3> hum lemme check
[12:53] <ggi> Atticus: It converts the .rpm to a .deb.
[12:53] <axe9dotcom> but where stuff like Gaim, and music player go when you close the main window
[12:54] <Atticus> ok so id type "sudo alien --to-deb fglrx-4.3.0-3.14.1.i386.rpm"
[12:54] <ggi> Atticus: Yep. And you should end up with a .deb package in the same directory.
[12:54] <dat> any new development on a cdless install (without pxe)
[12:55] <Atticus> ggi: sweet ok that worked
[12:55] <axe9dotcom> Atticus, that your name? or is it from To Kill A Mockingbird
 no i don't have  totem-xine package ( when i m trying to c movies i have sound but no picture )
[12:55] <MyKq3> crimsun: should i installit?
[12:55] <Atticus> axe9dotcom: atticus finch ;)
[12:55] <hazmat> anyone tried multisync on ubuntu?
[12:55] <ggi> Atticus: Now install it with 'dpkg -i fglrx-<stuff>.deb'
[12:55] <axe9dotcom> :D
[12:55] <Atticus> ggi: ok
[12:56] <axe9dotcom> love that book
[12:56] <axe9dotcom> How do I get the tray back?
[12:57] <Atticus> ggi: i recieved a few errors
[12:57] <ggi> Atticus> 
[12:57] <spiv> axe9dotcom: did you remove the entire panel, or just the notification area?
[12:57] <axe9dotcom> uhm...
[12:57] <axe9dotcom> where stuff like Gaim and music player go
[12:57] <Atticus> ggi: got an error processing
[12:57] <ggi> Atticus: Yes, I forgot to add the --force-override bit to that command.
[12:57] <spiv> The entire bar across the bottom of the screen, or just the part of that bar where the notifications go? :)
[12:58] <Atticus> ggi: ok, where do i add that
[12:58] <ggi> Atticus: Sorry about that. 'dpkg -i --force-override fglrx-<things>.deb'
[12:58] <axe9dotcom> I guess where the notifications go
[12:58] <spiv> Or, do you mean the window list?  Perhaps a screenshot would help?
[12:58] <axe9dotcom> and it was the top bar
[12:58] <axe9dotcom> uhm
[12:58] <axe9dotcom> one min
[12:58] <axe9dotcom> I might have one
[12:59] <dat> so noone knows of a ubuntu cd-less install option besides pxe??
[12:59] <Atticus> ggi: recieve "unknown force/refuse option `override'"
[12:59] <Atticus> recieved*
[01:00] <ggi> Atticus: It's getting late, I'm sorry. --force-overwrite
[01:00] <Atticus> ggi: haha no problem :)
[01:00] <ggi> dat: Do you have no CD drive or is it just not bootable?
[01:01] <axe9dotcom> http://axe9.com/images/Screenshot.png
[01:01] <dat> ggi: i'm on an ibm x31
[01:01] <dat> no cdrom drive
[01:01] <Atticus> ggi: im not sure if it installed or not
[01:01] <Atticus> dpkg - warning, overriding problem because --force enabled:
[01:01] <Atticus>  trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2', which is also in package xlibmesa-gl
[01:01] <Atticus> Setting up fglrx (4.3.0-4.14) ...
[01:01] <axe9dotcom> I deleted the part where the little Gaimicon is, in the upper righthand corner, next to the clock
[01:01] <dat> ggi: i really don't feel like going through the hassle of trying to setup pxe on my other box
[01:02] <ggi> Atticus: It probably did. Now cd to /lib/modules/fglrx/.
[01:02] <spiv> Ah, ok, I have my notifications on my bottom panel, hence my confusion :)
[01:02] <Atticus> ggi: ok im there
[01:03] <ggi> Atticus: 'cd build_mod', if I remember correctly.
[01:03] <spiv> axe9dotcom: But the rest of the panel is still there?  If so, right click on an empty part of the panel, choose Add to Panel, and select Notification Area.
[01:03] <Atticus> ggi: ok, done
[01:04] <axe9dotcom> Thanks ^^
[01:04] <ggi> Atticus: Ok, try 'sudo sh make.sh'. It'll probably fail.
[01:04] <axe9dotcom> wtf? I just noticed that my sound is gone o_o
[01:04] <Atticus> ggi: ok it failed i think
[01:05] <axe9dotcom> there it is ^^
[01:05] <dat> ggi: any ideas?
[01:05] <ggi> Atticus: Now I'm kind of stumped. You'll need to install a kernel-headers package, but I don't know which one that is for Ubuntu. Anyone?
[01:06] <ggi> dat: Sorry, I'm not aware of any other ways to do it yet. I'll look around a bit though.
[01:06] <spiv> kernel packages on ubuntu are called linux-*, rather than kernel-*
[01:07] <dat> k.. well.. i'm ordering a gig flashdrive, that i'll probably be able to put to use with this
[01:07] <ggi> spiv: Thank you.
[01:07] <MyKq3> okay i have installed the Totem-xwin pacage. still i can't c movies... ( now i c a blue screen with sound )
[01:08] <phr0stbyte> MyKq3: Sounds like you need some codecs installed
[01:08] <Atticus> Mykq3: download totem-xine
[01:09] <Atticus> MyKq3: i had the same problem, and totem-xine fixed it... mplayer is also good but totem is good for newbies
[01:09] <ggi> Atticus: apt-get install this: linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3
[01:09] <MyKq3> i have dled and installed Totem-Xine no help there ,,, how do i find codecs for Totem google gives me notihngy for Ubuntu
[01:10] <phr0stbyte> I have just installed Ubuntu and I am loving it!!! (coming from a 6 year Mandrake user)
[01:10] <Atticus> ggi: do i type that in console
[01:10] <MyKq3> i have no problem with mplayer its just that the apt-get don't find it :(
[01:10] <Atticus> ggi: i got this message Reading Package Lists... Done
[01:10] <Atticus> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[01:10] <Atticus> E: Couldn't find package this:
[01:11] <Atticus> lol nvm
[01:11] <Atticus> im dumb
[01:11] <ggi> Atticus: Yeah, or install it through the synaptic interface.
[01:11] <edward__> hi, is the the place for technical support
[01:11] <Atticus> edward: sure is!
[01:12] <edward__> cool
[01:12] <edward__> i having problems playing any sound, i just get /dev/dsp does not exist
[01:12] <edward__> i have a soundbloaster live emu10k1
[01:13] <phr0stbyte> Has any1 gotten a Wacom Graphire3 working here?
[01:13] <Atticus> ggi: downloading now
[01:13] <crimsun> edward__: are the modules snd-pcm-oss and snd-mixer-oss loaded? Check the output of lsmod|grep snd
[01:13] <neighborlee> edward__, hmm do you get modules starting with 'snd-' for example when you do : lsmod ?
[01:14] <Atticus> ggi: ok it is finished and installed
[01:14] <neighborlee> oops lol
[01:14] <neighborlee> crimsun, we're of the same mind apparantly <G>
[01:14] <ggi> Atticus: Try 'sudo sh make.sh' again.
[01:15] <Atticus> which directory was that in again
[01:15] <edward__> ubuntu:/usr/sbin# lsmod|grep snd
[01:15] <edward__> snd_emu10k1            80776  3
[01:15] <edward__> snd_rawmidi            23232  1 snd_emu10k1
[01:15] <edward__> snd_seq_device          7944  2 snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi
[01:15] <edward__> snd_ac97_codec         59268  1 snd_emu10k1
[01:15] <edward__> snd_util_mem            4608  1 snd_emu10k1
[01:15] <edward__> snd_hwdep               9120  1 snd_emu10k1
[01:15] <edward__> snd_bt87x              13640  3
[01:15] <edward__> snd_pcm_oss            48168  0
[01:15] <edward__> snd_mixer_oss          16640  5 snd_pcm_oss
[01:15] <edward__> snd_pcm                85540  3 snd_emu10k1,snd_bt87x,snd_pcm_oss
[01:15] <edward__> snd_timer              23172  1 snd_pcm
[01:15] <edward__> snd                    50660  15 snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_ac97_codec,snd_util_mem,snd_hwdep,snd_bt87x,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
[01:15] <edward__> snd_page_alloc         11144  3 snd_emu10k1,snd_bt87x,snd_pcm
[01:15] <edward__> soundcore               9824  8 emu10k1,sound,snd,bttv
[01:15] <ggi> Atticus: /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/
[01:15] <neighborlee> ;-)
[01:15] <neighborlee> edward__, ok
[01:15] <Atticus> ggi: ok found it, ran it, and didnt work still
[01:16] <Atticus> kernel includes at /usr/src/linux/include not found or incomplete
[01:16] <Atticus> file: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h
[01:16] <edward__> i can run alsamixer and move the sliders up and down, so it must be detected and such, just doesn't work throught the gnome apps
[01:16] <jono_> hi all
[01:17] <neighborlee> edward__, you sure your speakers are on and plugged in 
[01:17] <MyKq3> okay .... my bad it seems that Totem-Xine really fixed the video problem :))) thankz PPL
[01:17] <phr0stbyte> Has any1 gotten a Wacom Graphire3 working here?
[01:17] <edward__> yep, i get /dev/dsp does not exist
[01:17] <phr0stbyte> (drawing tablet)
[01:17] <neighborlee> Atticus, heh
[01:19] <ggi> edward: I guess you could try 'sudo /etc/init.d/udev restart' at a terminal. It may have crashed.
[01:19] <jono_> I downloaded the kernel source for 2.6.8.1 from apt, patched a module and the module is in /lib/modules/2.6.8.1/ - when I try to insmod it, it says that there is a problem with a symbol in the module - how can I fix this?
[01:20] <Atticus> ggi: i think linux hates me
[01:21] <neighborlee> Atticus, hi again..wwwwaz up
[01:21] <ggi> ggi: No, no, it loves us all. Albeit in a monolithic way, however that works. Uh, yeah, I'm stumped. Give me a few minutes.
[01:21] <Atticus> neighborlee, just trying to install new ati drivers so i can play UT2004 and it doesnt like my kernel i guess...
[01:21] <ggi> Atticus: Typos again.
[01:22] <neighborlee> Atticus, ahhh..your on your own on ati drivers..nvidia here although I hear ati drivers are getting better
[01:22] <edward__> seems to have got stuck on "Recreating device node..."
[01:22] <neighborlee> Atticus, well but i'm sure others here have ati so..;)<wink>
[01:22] <edward__> is it supposed to take a long time?
[01:23] <Atticus> neighborlee, ggi has been helpful
[01:23] <neighborlee> good
[01:23] <Atticus> ggi: i think im going to head over the commons and get some food
[01:23] <ggi> Atticus: I'll have to restart X. I'll be back in a second.
[01:24] <Atticus> ggi: if you think of anything i will be back in about 10-15 min
[01:24] <jono_> I copied the config from /boot over to my kernel source and compiled, but no initrd image is produced - how do I fix this?
[01:24] <crimsun> jono_: which kernel-package target did you use?
[01:25] <jono_> which source package crimsun?
[01:25] <crimsun> jono_: if you didn't use kernel-package, did you remember to run mkinitrd(8)?
[01:25] <edward__> it finished, but im still getting /dev/dsp does not exist
[01:25] <jono_> crimsun, I used kernel package to create the kernel, but I didnt run mkinitrd
[01:25] <jono_> do I need to run it?
[01:26] <crimsun> jono_: did you use the kernel-image target?
[01:26] <jono_> crimsun, huh?
[01:26] <jono_> I compiled the source with a make kpackage
[01:27] <crimsun> make-kpkg kernel-image --initrd
[01:27] <jono_> what is kernel-image?
[01:27] <jono_> as in vmlinuz-2.6.8.1?
[01:28] <crimsun> it's a target you pass to kernel-package
[01:28] <goatboy_> edward__: you have both snd_bt87x (tv tuner) and snd_emu10k1 both loaded, it's possible the tv tuner took /dev/dsp.
[01:28] <jono_> crimsun, what target?
[01:28] <goatboy_> edward__: do you have a /dev/dsp1?
[01:28] <crimsun> jono_: when you run make-pkpg, you pass it a target
[01:29] <crimsun> jono_: the man page for make-kpkg tells you.
[01:29] <jono_> ok cheers
[01:29] <crimsun> jono_: kernel-image is the target to generate the compressed kernel (vmlinuz) and any modules.
[01:29] <edward__> yes i do
[01:29] <crimsun> jono_: it will also generate an initrd if you pass it --initrd
[01:29] <edward__> and the emu10k1 is device 1 in alsamixer
[01:31] <jono_> crimsun, make-kpkg cleans the source before a compile each time - how can I stop it doing that
[01:32] <mdz> jono_: man kernel-pkg.conf
[01:32] <cubeness> so nobody knows what the 'gnome hangs on splash screen' issue is about after updating via synaptic?
[01:32] <mdz> cubeness: apart from the open bug reports?
[01:32] <jono_> if I compile a code from this source - can I just use one of the modules with my existing kernel image?
[01:33] <mdz> jono_: only if you're building with the same config and the same version (2.6.8.1-3-686, for example)
[01:33] <mdz> hm, make that closed bug reports
[01:33] <mdz> cubeness: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1725
[01:34] <jono_> I am running kernel Linux apple 2.6.8.1-3-powerpc and I got the source package called linux-source-2.6.8.1.bz2 via apt - are they the same packages?
[01:36] <burner_> anyone around that can help with a usb flash drive issue?
[01:37] <xcasex> hm how do i turn off the firewall ?
[01:37] <cubeness> mdz, ah.. i see.. found something about killing bonobo-activation.. seems to let me login. 
[01:37] <mdz> cubeness: the bug is fixed now, but you may have only received the fix with that upgrade you just ran
[01:38] <xcasex> cubeness, holy crap, you're alive.
[01:38] <cubeness> hehe, no way!
[01:38] <xcasex> cubeness, pppffft dude, you dissappeared off of icq a long time ago :
[01:38] <xcasex> :p
[01:39] <cubeness> hehe
[01:41] <neighborlee> grrrr..any programmers around for which I could PM them and try to discover why my compile attempt is borking ? ( its not specifically ubuntu realted but the error is only happening IN ubuntu) ??
[01:42] <edward__> so how can i make my emu10k1 the /dev/dsp device instead of the bttv?
[01:43] <neighborlee> edward__, rmmod bttvmodule < should fix it
[01:43] <neighborlee> supposedly..
[01:44] <edward__> ERROR: Module bttvmodule does not exist in /proc/modules
[01:44] <cubeness> xcasex, so whats new?
[01:45] <xcasex> cubeness, nothing much, left beos lala land a long time ago, and am now heavily playing around with wifi & writing :D
[01:46] <edward__> ubuntu:/home/edward# rmmod snd_bt87x
[01:46] <edward__> ERROR: Module snd_bt87x is in use
[01:48] <WW_> Anybody know the lightest laptop that is known to run Ubuntu?
[01:49] <cubeness> xcasex, cool.. i mainly been coding. keeping busy
[01:50] <xcasex> cubeness, i thought you would, i mean the python bug bit you hard :D
[01:50] <cubeness> xcasex, hehe.. yes. and i am now making more money than i ever thought i would because of it
[01:50] <tvon|x31> WW_: mhm...sony vaio TR2?   not that I know anyone actually running ubuntu on it...
[01:50] <xcasex> cubeness, oh?
[01:51] <xcasex> cubeness, doing work for schools or?
[01:51] <tvon|x31> WW_: X40 is all that comes to mind
[01:51] <splinta> so...when we gonna see xorg ?
[01:51] <jdub> splinta: next release
[01:51] <splinta> 6 mths ? :o)
[01:51] <jdub> yes
[01:51] <tvon|x31> ish
[01:51] <jdub> well, if you don't count the devel branch :)
[01:52] <splinta> i'd give it a whirl if it had xorg
[01:52] <splinta> might end up d/l mdk 10.1 in interim
[01:52] <tvon|x31> could try fc3 as well
[01:52] <splinta> yup
[01:53] <Atticus> ggi: i am back
[01:53] <tvon|x31> ran xorg on here a lil bit, none of the nifty extras are really worth it yet imo
[01:53] <splinta> be a while before features are adopted
[01:53] <tvon|x31> and performance improves...
[01:53] <splinta> certainly the furture of x
[01:53] <splinta> sp*
[01:54] <alias[k] > Anyone know much about coverting ubuntu to KDE?
[01:54] <jdub> xorg features won't be hugely useful until six months down the track anyway
[01:54] <jdub> other than DAMAGE
[01:54] <jdub> alias[k] : lots of KDE stuff in universe
[01:54] <xcasex> ^^^
[01:54] <jdub> alias[k] : if you're interested in helping out, get in touch with jriddell
[01:54] <jdub> alias[k] : but ubuntu supported packages only include GNOME
[01:55] <alias[k] > Well - I'm running KDE at the moment on Ubuntu, but I'm having some problems, who should i speak to?
[01:55] <splinta> prolly find this is a ms funded project in the end :o)
[01:55] <Telep> shh
[01:55] <splinta> lol..macbride  et al
[01:55] <mkyc-ubuntu> no disrespect to KDE but i find gnome far better than it
[01:55] <ggi> Atticus: Well, I can tell you what to do. Just about.
[01:55] <splinta> get y'all hooked on ms like reg in gnome
[01:55] <jdub> alias[k] : ask on the users list, perhaps
[01:56] <alias[k] > Users list?
[01:56] <mkyc-ubuntu> KDE is just too cluttered for my liking, but its down to preference i guess
[01:56] <jdub> alias[k] : see the topic for links
[01:57] <mkyc-ubuntu> mind you i normally use blackbox or fluxbox so maybe im just weird :)
[01:57] <Kosai> Oh, that's odd.  No ubuntu ohphone package?
[01:57] <ggi> Atticus: Install the package 'fglrx-driver'.
[01:57] <Telep> There's plenty of KDE distros around anyway - concentrating on Gnome will help Ubuntu stay (/become) a good, no-nonsense distro...
[01:57] <Telep> imho
[01:57] <splinta> i've been playing with xfce4 recently...far more responsive on my k7/500 then either kde or gnome
[01:57] <edward__> any more hints?
[01:57] <mkyc-ubuntu> i think so Telep
[01:58] <mkyc-ubuntu> the thing is that there are a pile of cookie cutter KDE desktop distros around that all look the same
[01:58] <Telep> xfce4 is fast, but it's certainly not a consistent environment
[01:58] <mkyc-ubuntu> and by the same i mean look likw windows.. nothing wrong with that if you like it i guess but...
[01:58] <splinta> no...but it at least allows a little responsiveness from my fastest pc..lol
[01:59] <Telep> :)
[02:00] <cubeness> i like ROX myself
[02:00] <mkyc-ubuntu> xfce4 looks nice but i find it can be user unfriendly
[02:01] <splinta> i mean...try loading nautilus
[02:01] <mkyc-ubuntu> urkk nooo
[02:01] <splinta> lol
[02:01] <mkyc-ubuntu> you mean something makes nautilus fast?
[02:01] <WW_> tvon|x31: (belated) thanks.
[02:01] <mkyc-ubuntu> i thought that was impossible :)
[02:01] <splinta> it is
[02:01] <tvon|x31> WW_: nooooooo problemo
[02:01] <splinta> cern did a study ;o)
[02:01] <mkyc-ubuntu> lol
[02:02] <splinta> but that most peoples first impression of a gnome app
[02:03] <Telep> I don't find the spatial nautilus to be too slow
[02:03] <splinta> and i guarantee you...thereare many more folks out there with less than a 3k pentium to play with
[02:03] <Telep> and that's pretty much all I use :)
[02:03] <mkyc-ubuntu> what i find interesting is i run 2 hard drives i swap on this notebook, one has Knoppix on a HDD install and the other is ubuntu. GNOME just seems faster
[02:03] <mkyc-ubuntu> i agree splinta
[02:04] <splinta> always prepared to give a new distro atry
[02:04] <splinta> just may wait for next rel
[02:04] <Telep> what a clever uid
[02:04] <splinta> kde is same
[02:04] <mkyc-ubuntu> but i find the gnome is just more responsive on may aging lappy than KDE for some reason
[02:04] <mkyc-ubuntu> its all preference i think
[02:04] <neighborlee> mkyc-ubuntu, its the fastest implementation of gnome that i've seen yet that or gnome2.8 made alot of speed optimizations <G>
[02:04] <mkyc-ubuntu> yeah it seems like that neighborlee
[02:05] <splinta> lol...that would be a greatarea for developmenty
[02:05] <splinta> sp == too much beer
[02:05] <mkyc-ubuntu> i havent dug too deep into it to look but im intrigued.
[02:05] <mkyc-ubuntu> beer at 10am..
[02:05] <mkyc-ubuntu> ahh forgetting not everyones in australia
[02:05] <splinta> 21:10...lol
[02:06] <Telep> what a notion... everyone being australian...
[02:06] <mkyc-ubuntu> sunny spring day here at 10am.. 
[02:06] <Telep> hmm, I wouldn't mind a beer myself
[02:06] <mkyc-ubuntu> scary notion in some ways
[02:07] <splinta> but beer at 10am sounds quite reasonable...depends on your climate :o)
[02:07] <mkyc-ubuntu> if you imagine everyone was australian and looked like paul hogan
[02:07] <Telep> cold Autumn night here in Finland :-)
[02:07] <splinta> this is called olands...i hope 
[02:07] <splinta> for your sake they don't export it lol
[02:07] <mkyc-ubuntu> beer at 10am isnt strange in australia really... its 26 celcius here and thats cool, our summers hit 40 celcius and 80% humidity
[02:07] <LinuxJones> splinta, where you from ?
[02:08] <Telep> mkyc-ubuntu: hehe, 26 is hot for Finland :)
[02:08] <splinta> uk...moved to nova scotia 5 yrs ago
[02:08] <Telep> well, would be
[02:08] <mkyc-ubuntu> Telep, yeah but cold for us is 0 celcius
[02:08] <LinuxJones> splinta, cool I 'm in Cape Breton :D
[02:08] <mkyc-ubuntu> which in finland would be a warm day sometimes :)
[02:08] <splinta> cool...do you fish ? lmao
[02:09] <LinuxJones> splinta, no :P
[02:09] <Telep> mkyc-ubuntu: well not really... -10 is much better than 0
[02:09] <splinta> got some folks at work from cb...really loose women ;o)
[02:09] <mkyc-ubuntu> nova scotia sounds nice
[02:09] <mkyc-ubuntu> brrr
[02:09] <LinuxJones> splinta, you think ;)
[02:09] <splinta> it is...but cape breton is nicer
[02:09] <jdub> mkyc-ubuntu: where are you? qld?
[02:10] <mkyc-ubuntu> yep QLD, brisbabe
[02:10] <mkyc-ubuntu> brisbane
[02:10] <Telep> mkyc-ubuntu: 'cause the air is drier the colder it is, and 0 degrees means a lot of slush and bad weather :)
[02:10] <jdub> definitely not 26 degrees in rainy sydney :-)
[02:10] <mkyc-ubuntu> ah thank Telep i see
[02:10] <LinuxJones> splinta, your in Halifax I take it ?
[02:11] <splinta> cape breton be looking kinda nice this time of year eh Mr Jones ?
[02:11] <mkyc-ubuntu> not as much slush.. hell it got to 6 celsius here on nite in winter and people thought they were freezing :)
[02:11] <splinta> not far from hfx lj
[02:11] <Telep> it's easier to keep warm outside when it's well under freezing
[02:11] <LinuxJones> splinta, the leaves are jsut starting to change color, another 2 weeks and we will be in full bloom :P
[02:11] <mkyc-ubuntu> jdub : saw sunrise on tv, looks like a lousy day in sydney
[02:11] <edward__> can someone help me with my sound problem?
[02:12] <LinuxJones> splinta, I lived there for almost 11 years and loved it.
[02:12] <Telep> hmm, a sound problem indeed
[02:12] <mkyc-ubuntu> would love to see canada.. mind you finland would be nice for a visit as well
[02:12] <Telep> (sorry, I'm too tired)
[02:12] <splinta> took my folks around the cabot trail last october...now bare in mind these folks are from birmingham...lol...had to beat them with a stick to get them back on the plane 
[02:13] <LinuxJones> mkyc-ubuntu, there are lots of Aussies who move to Canada for some reason.
[02:13] <Atticus> ggi: are you there
[02:13] <theantix> LinuxJones, it's like an invasion!  :-)
[02:13] <mkyc-ubuntu> lol
[02:13] <LinuxJones> theantix, ya and they all talk funny :D
[02:13] <jdub> LinuxJones: canada is the *real* north america
[02:13] <Telep> mkyc-ubuntu: yes, it's very nice here :) Come and see our forests before we cut them down :D
[02:13] <mkyc-ubuntu> if you want some photos of what brisbane looks like this week heres some : http://www.flickr.com/photos/monkeyc/
[02:13] <splinta> thats tru jdub
[02:14] <mkyc-ubuntu> lol sounds like australia re forest cutting down
[02:14] <mkyc-ubuntu> were mostly desert anyway
[02:14] <LinuxJones> jdub, ya we have 2 time zones more than the USA, and they don't believe me when I tell them :P
[02:14] <splinta> quite few poms move to oz
[02:14] <Telep> I'd like to visit Canada some time
[02:14] <mkyc-ubuntu> poms move here cause its not england
[02:15] <mkyc-ubuntu> :)
[02:15] <splinta> where r u telus ?
[02:15] <splinta> lmao mkyc
[02:15] <mkyc-ubuntu> same reason the kiwis move here i suspect
[02:15] <Telep> England is crowded - it seems more crowded everytime I visit :D
[02:16] <phr0stbyte> Any1 know of something like this: http://www.justlinux.com/nhf/Compiling_Kernels/An_Easier_and_Better_Way_to_Compile_Your_Kernel_on_Red_Hat_Based_Systems.html - but for a Debian based system?
[02:16] <splinta> and you don't have to be a tolpuddle marter to get there these days
[02:16] <MyKq3> hello can i play two sound chanels ( EX: like can i her music and my Gnome sound eventz) 
[02:16] <mkyc-ubuntu> phr0stbyte, ive never compiled a kernel, i have always done it with apt.. works for me
[02:16] <MyKq3> hear*
[02:16] <splinta> have qute a few friends in uk that visited kiwi land...all loved it
[02:17] <Telep> Hmm, I'd like to know the same thing as MyKq3 
[02:17] <splinta> and before they saw lort lol
[02:17] <LinuxJones> phr0stbyte, >> http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm
[02:17] <Telep> mkyc-ubuntu: so marrying fruit is ok in your country?
[02:17] <mkyc-ubuntu> MyKq3, there was some discussion on the mailing list about that.  Maybe a post there might work
[02:17] <mkyc-ubuntu> Telep, yep sure is
[02:17] <mkyc-ubuntu> and sheep as well :)
[02:17] <phr0stbyte> mkyc-ubuntu: I need to to get a certain device working - the module is not enabled as the default
[02:17] <Telep> bloody marvellous
[02:17] <splinta> welsh ancestry lol
[02:18] <MyKq3> mailing list .... were ?
[02:18] <phr0stbyte> mkyc-ubuntu: A Wacom Graphire3 drawing tablet
[02:18] <mkyc-ubuntu> phr0stbyte, if you dont have any luck let me know, i may know someone who can help
[02:19] <mkyc-ubuntu> oh yes sorry i wasnt making out you never needed to roll your own kernel only that i had never done it so couldnt help :)
[02:19] <mkyc-ubuntu> mailing list..
[02:19] <mkyc-ubuntu> ubuntu-users mailing list
[02:19] <mkyc-ubuntu> ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
[02:19] <mkyc-ubuntu> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
[02:19] <phr0stbyte> mkyc-ubuntu: Been trying along time in Mandrake....
[02:20] <mkyc-ubuntu> sounds painfull phr0stbyte
[02:20] <mkyc-ubuntu> no one else has used a wacom tablet in linux?
[02:20] <phr0stbyte> mkyc-ubuntu: A tad
[02:21] <mkyc-ubuntu> yeah people do not write how to's as much as they should
[02:21] <MyKq3> thanks.... what do u think about Arts. on Mandrake i manage to use two chanel with Arts suport  
[02:21] <MyKq3> do u think we  can do ther same on Gnome?
[02:21] <phr0stbyte> mkyc-ubuntu: I will - once I figure it out
[02:21] <mkyc-ubuntu> phr0stbyte, i have a friend who's worked with deb for a living for years, hes away atm but i will ask him if he knows when he gets back if you like
[02:22] <phr0stbyte> MyKq3: with Gnome it is esd
[02:22] <mkyc-ubuntu> drop me an email to linux at monkeyc.net and i will see if he knows anything
[02:22] <phr0stbyte> mkyc-ubuntu: That would be great!
[02:22] <mkyc-ubuntu> no worries, been there myself
[02:23] <phr0stbyte> mkyc-ubuntu: I will do that as soon as I figure out why Evolution wont send mail if I have more than one account in it....
[02:23] <mkyc-ubuntu> ahh thats a pain
[02:24] <PoW> What would be the proper apt-get package for GCC and whatnot?
[02:24] <phr0stbyte> mkyc-ubuntu: This Um=buntu is pretty nice though after 6 years of using Mandrake
[02:25] <phr0stbyte> *Umbuntu
[02:25] <whiprush> PoW: do an apt-cache search gcc
[02:25] <whiprush> it'll show you the gcc packages available
[02:26] <whiprush> "gcc" is probably what you want
[02:26] <phr0stbyte> LinuxJones: Thanx for that URL by the way
[02:26] <tvon|x31> phr0stbyte: is no 'm'
[02:26] <whiprush> or you can specify gcc-3.3 or gcc-3.4, for example
[02:26] <WW_> PoW: I think `sudo apt-get install build-essential` will also include some of the whatnot.
[02:27] <PoW> Yeah, just found it ;P
[02:27] <PoW> Thanks
[02:27] <phr0stbyte> tvon|x31: sorry - real fat fingered tonight
[02:27] <tvon|x31> phr0stbyte: heh ;)
[02:27] <Telep> hmm, starting to feel _tired_. Maybe I should sleep
[02:28] <LinuxJones> phr0stbyte, sure bud, but here is something even better :D >> http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/index.php/howto/debwacom
[02:29] <LinuxJones> phr0stbyte, it looks like a fair bit of work but it is probably just what you are looking for.
[02:30] <phr0stbyte> LinuxJones: Ooooh! Aaaaah!
[02:30] <LinuxJones> phr0stbyte, :D
[02:34] <PoW> hmm
[02:34] <PoW> build-essentials failed to install o_o
[02:39] <WW_> PoW: build-essential (no s)
[02:39] <PoW> yeah
[02:39] <PoW> I failed in the process lol
[02:40] <PoW> There it goes
[02:40] <PoW> Used synaptic to rebuild the broken packages
[02:42] <phr0stbyte> LinuxJones: what package supplies make-kpkg?
[02:45] <Mithrandir> phr0stbyte: kernel-package
[02:46] <skreet> Hm Anandtech forums crashed my browser, haha
[02:47] <phr0stbyte> Mithrandir: thank you (new to Deb. based system)
[02:53] <LinuxJones> phr0stbyte, sorry I went afk
[02:57] <theantix> does anyone here know if Sarge has a release date planned yet?
[02:57] <mkyc-ubuntu> nope
[02:57] <mkyc-ubuntu> see front page of disto watch, there was a news peice about it
[02:57] <theantix> thanks
[03:02] <jeld> hello all
[03:11] <Jeedee> Anyone got java working on ubuntu?
[03:11] <Kosai> Plenty of people.  See the FAQ.
[03:12] <Jeedee> That's fine, I was just wondering if it was working yet
[03:18] <axe9dotcom> oi
[03:18] <axe9dotcom> why does java take up so much system resources?
[03:21] <Jeedee> Because it has to run the vm in the background
[03:22] <axe9dotcom> *sigh(
[03:22] <axe9dotcom> I need a non-java BT client...
[03:22] <Jeedee> :o
[03:22] <Jeedee> Java is amazing
[03:22] <Jeedee> but well
[03:22] <Jeedee> there are gtk client I guess
[03:23] <axe9dotcom> and googleisn't turning up anything positive
[03:23] <axe9dotcom> gtk?
[03:23] <Jeedee> http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=154
[03:23] <Jeedee> looks functional to me
[03:23] <Jeedee> look on synaptic but I doubt it's there
[03:24] <knarph> who here knows about tcpdump?
[03:26] <knarph> oh, nm
[03:27] <jeld> file-roller DnD support is ridiculous :(
[03:28] <jeld> you drag something into a nautilus window and have to hold the mouse until it unpacks stuff, if you drop it cancels
[03:36] <axe9dotcom> ...
[03:37] <axe9dotcom> ubuntu can't use Debian installers right
[03:37] <axe9dotcom> so..
[03:37] <axe9dotcom> i have to compile the code :(
[03:38] <Se7h> wrong
[03:38] <Se7h> ubuntu is debian
[03:38] <Infernal_Demon> Se7h to the rescue
[03:38] <axe9dotcom> !
[03:38] <axe9dotcom> kool
[03:38] <Se7h> but try to find a binary for ubuntu
[03:38] <Se7h> if u can't
[03:38] <Se7h> use one from debian
[03:38] <Se7h> works just fine
[03:39] <knarph> ok, synaptic is cool and all, but it forgets to set $PATH vars constantly
[03:39] <knarph> or $ vars overall
[03:39] <Se7h> indeed
[03:40] <knarph> great, now i have to go and remember stuff! sheesh...
[03:40] <axe9dotcom> keeps saaying it can't open it
[03:41] <Se7h> axe9dotcom paste what it returns
[03:41] <Se7h> 1 or 2 lines
[03:42] <Se7h> axe9dotcom maybe a lib missing ?
[03:43] <jeld> question, is firefox gonna look for plugins in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins or just its own plugins directory?
[03:44] <aitrus> is there a command-line network configuration tool in ubuntu?
[03:45] <crimsun> $EDITOR /etc/networking/interfaces ?
[03:45] <aitrus> works for me
[03:45] <aitrus> =)
[03:45] <crimsun> -ing
[03:45] <crimsun> sorry, mixing it up with invoke-rc.d :)
[03:46] <aitrus> gave me enough info
[03:46] <axe9dotcom> Couldn't display "/home/family/gnome-btdownload_0.0.16-2_all.deb".
[03:47] <jeld> ok, flash works, java works back to killing axies in enemy territory :)
[03:49] <jeld> BTW, eroaster seems like a great CD-burning app, are there any plans of including it with standard install?
[03:49] <Se7h> damm
[03:49] <Se7h> grub.conf doesn't lives here
[03:49] <Se7h> lol
[03:49] <Se7h> menu-lst
[03:49] <Se7h> *menu.lst
[03:50] <jeld> anyone knows how to dynamicaly update GNOME menus?
[03:50] <axe9dotcom> apt-get update?
[03:50] <jeld> that is without login/logout cycle
[03:51] <axe9dotcom> ?
[03:51] <axe9dotcom> sudo apt-get update?
[03:52] <jeld> axe9dotcom, I just installed a few apps with entries in GNOME menu, they don't appear in the menu until I logout and log back in, wonder if there is a way of getting around that
[03:53] <axe9dotcom> donno
[03:53] <LinuxJones> Good night all !!
[03:58] <smeggy> damn, i love this distro 
[03:58] <smeggy> lol
[03:58] <Se7h> smeggy ;)
[03:59] <Se7h> mi 2
[03:59] <Se7h> :P
[03:59] <jeld> smeggy, this is about as close to the "linux that just works" dream that I ever got :)
[03:59] <axe9dotcom> Anyone watching the debate?
[03:59] <smeggy> jeld, yeah me too
[04:00] <smeggy> not only does it just work, it works fast, doesn't make me pay for stupid subscriptions and it uses gnome :D
[04:00] <Se7h> axe9dotcom me
[04:01] <Se7h> this bush is just a dillhole
[04:01] <Se7h> dam
[04:01] <tseng> on topic please.
[04:01] <Se7h> how can ppl b so dam stupid
[04:01] <Se7h> uh?
[04:01] <Se7h> sorry
[04:01] <tseng> thanks.
[04:01] <smeggy> he means dont chat about politics ;)
[04:01] <jeld> smeggy, I just switched from KDE 3.3 (still use it at work) it has its moments, but so far I love GNOME 2.8
[04:02] <smeggy> jeld, i switched from gnome to kde when kde 3.1 came out... now i'm back on gnome thanks to 2.8
[04:02] <Se7h> yeah i understood
[04:03] <axe9dotcom> se7h, Really, are oyu listening? pardon the language, but kerry is screwing himself in the ass
[04:03] <Se7h> "on topic"
[04:03] <Se7h> lol
[04:04] <Se7h> yeah but i am
[04:04] <jeld> smeggy, there are a few rather cool things about 3.3, but a lot of similar things went into the gnome 2.8 (like gaim and evolution integration) and evolution beats kontact with its eyes closed :) plus KDe still doesn't support hal and friends
[04:04] <smeggy> go talk politics in #politics if you want ;)
[04:04] <smeggy> yeah
[04:04] <jeld> smeggy, I still miss Alt-F2 gg:some words though
[04:04] <smeggy> gnome isnt as jam packed with features as kde, but if you play around and set it up nicely, it beats it head over heels for usability for the most part
[04:05] <jeld> smeggy, basically if GNOME default browser (whatever it is) gets properly integrated into the desktop I will not miss KDE one bit
[04:06] <skreet> Anyone notice that no matter how much you change the color of gnome-panel the apps on it are still the same default color?
[04:06] <jeld> skreet, sad, but true
[04:06] <smeggy> yeah, that annoys the s*** outta me
[04:07] <skreet> Since forever too.
[04:07] <skreet> I figured after like 300 versions..
[04:07] <smeggy> oh kde, how I occasionally miss thee :P
[04:07] <skreet> "Ohh, 2.8"
[04:07] <jeld> skreet, although launcher icons do get the background right, my panels are transparent :)
[04:07] <jdub> skreet: a number of applets do support that
[04:07] <skreet> It's customizable the the API for an applet just isnt quite good enough
[04:07] <jdub> skreet: if you have time, it won't take long to fix the rest
[04:07] <skreet> Yes but "Applications" "Computer".. and my gaim Systray icon :\
[04:07] <skreet> jdub: How?
[04:07] <jdub> patching the applets
[04:08] <jdub> there are a number that are already working
[04:08] <skreet> recompiling or is there a patch?
[04:08] <skreet> it's still pretty rediculous
[04:08] <jdub> (except when you turn on the fake panel transparency)
[04:08] <skreet> Is it even in their version planning to fix this? :P
[04:08] <jdub> skreet: you can write patches to fix this, it shouldn't take long
[04:08] <jdub> there are a number of examples already
[04:08] <smeggy> someone find me a good desktop bg :P
[04:08] <skreet> Heh
[04:08] <jdub> such as the wifi applet
[04:10] <jeld> hmmm... ssh vfs plugin doesn't seem to work
[04:11] <joem> jeld, works fine here, any errors?
[04:12] <defendguin> good evening
[04:12] <jeld> joem, nope, just keeps saying it is "opening"
[04:13] <jeld> joem, and in the process list there is a bunch of ssh processes marked <defunct>
[04:13] <joem> and you can connect to the server via normal ssh user@address?
[04:18] <jeld> hmmm... this was NOT cool, GNOME completely froze my system
[04:19] <Kosai> How do you know Gnome did it?
[04:19] <smeggy> t'was probably xfree
[04:19] <dommi> ubuntu needs a discussion forum
[04:20] <axe9dotcom> I have an IPB liscense, and phpBB
[04:20] <dommi> vBulletin here
[04:20] <jeld> well... I am kinda guessing, but my cursor changed into something like a little cross, and than mouse would move but wouldn't react to any clicks, and keyboard would just shut down
[04:20] <smeggy> sounds like xfree crashed jelf
[04:20] <smeggy> *jeld
[04:20] <jkg> aren't there mailing lists or something?
[04:20] <dommi> can you recreate the error?
[04:21] <jeld> smeggy, could be... generally when X crashes on me, the windows stop updating
[04:21] <jdub> jkg: see the topic :)
[04:22] <jdub> dommi: it's coming
[04:22] <jeld> dommi, I didn't do anything particular at the moment, I was just dragging one of the nautilus windows to the side of the screen
[04:22] <mdz> dommi: the forums are coming; if you have suggestions for software to use, send them to the mailing list
[04:22] <jdub> dommi: (might be good to read previous threads about it on the list for some context)
[04:22] <dommi> havent signed up for the list yet
[04:23] <dommi> I would suggest vB but thats just because I love the software
[04:23] <dommi> there are a metric ton of mods for it
[04:23] <dommi> and it seems more flexable than just about any of the competitors
[04:23] <jdub> most crucial feature we're interested in is mailing list integration
[04:23] <dommi> except for maybe ubb
[04:23] <dommi> well Im not sure about that, but for what its worth vB has NNTP integration
[04:23] <jkg> oh, as web forum with mailing list integration might actually be bearable
[04:23] <dommi> through a "mod"
[04:23] <jeld> hmmm... another strange thing, firefox wouldn't display an image created by "Take Screenshot" feature
[04:24] <dommi> what kind of mailing list integration are you looking for?
[04:24] <dommi> are you looking to cross link ml to forum posts?
[04:24] <dommi> or just display the mailing list posts on the forum?
[04:24] <smeggy> probably be more sensible to display mailing list posts to forum
[04:25] <smeggy> otherwise list traffic'd probably get enormous
[04:25] <jkg> but then people who ask stuff on the list never see the answers if it's answered on the forum, which doesn't seem particularly great
[04:26] <smeggy> true. but lots of places manage like that i guess
[04:26] <dommi> http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=235379
[04:26] <dommi> try that on for size
[04:26] <dommi> it is straight from google answers, it lists the best forums with mailing list integration
[04:27] <smeggy> oh yeah, Phorum is good
[04:27] <dommi> yah phorum
[04:28] <jeld> ok, maybe it is just me, can someone check out http://mitechki.net/Screenshot.png and http://mitechki.net/Screenshot.jpeg
[04:28] <dommi> digiposts.com - Now this advertises what I need.  However, in order to
[04:28] <dommi> get the integrated listserv, I'd have to fork out $2500!!! ... and
[04:28] <dommi> that is just the first year.  Their annual support contract is an
[04:28] <dommi> extra $500 per year.
[04:28] <jeld> after all, I prelinked my system
[04:28] <dommi> sorry for the flood
[04:28] <dommi> but that post in google answers is just wow
[04:28] <joem> jeld, png is no good and the jpeg looks really messed up
[04:29] <jeld> joem, that would be what I am seeing, except, on my local system they are both fine
[04:29] <smeggy> jeld, jpg is messed and firefox claims the png has errors
[04:30] <dommi> smeggy, agreed on both counts
[04:30] <jeld> smeggy, I think I got it... FTP plugin seems to screw up on binaries
[04:30] <smeggy> png is ok now
[04:31] <smeggy> ftp plugin for what?
[04:31] <jeld> smeggy, gnome-vfs
[04:31] <smeggy> oh yeah
[04:31] <smeggy> any particular reason you need that? other than missing that sort of thing from konq :P
[04:31] <smeggy> gftp does a great job of ftp
[04:31] <joem> much nicer network transparency
[04:32] <smeggy> transparency like that is nice and all, but I never found much sue for it other than nfs shares
[04:32] <smeggy> heh
[04:32] <jeld> smeggy, hate gFTP, prefer to use CLI
[04:32] <smeggy> ;)
[04:32] <joem> much easier to drag files into a folder the open another app etc..
[04:33] <jeld> smeggy, and yes, at moments like this I do miss konqueror ;)
[04:33] <dommi> on a side note, emacs probably has an ftp plugin...
[04:33] <joem> gnome-vfs sftp,ftp stuff works find here
[04:33] <jeld> dommi, lets not start a war, but I am a vim guy :)
[04:33] <smeggy> that was a joke?! lol
[04:33] <dommi> sorry, I should have groaned harder
[04:34] <smeggy> hehe
[04:34] <jeld> joem, I think I got my ssh problem, I didn't have the key in my known_hosts, so it was freezing asking for me to confirm
[04:34] <theantix> hey didn't someone just say no politics on this channel?  (vim uber alles!)
[04:34] <jeld> joem, silly, but logical
[04:34] <dommi> Im thinking about starting a lug.  I need topics for the first meeting.  I was considering pimping ubuntu
[04:36] <jeld> hehe, got my msttcorefonts working :)
[04:37] <dommi> jeld where in ny are you?  Your host mask said you were on RR
[04:38] <jeld> dommi, the city, queens, forest hills
[04:38] <dommi> whitestone here
[04:38] <jeld> :)
[04:38] <dommi> have you heard about fios?
[04:38] <jeld> nope
[04:38] <rahulvirmani> nope
[04:38] <dommi> http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/remark,11114020~mode=flat~start=40
[04:38] <dommi> ^^^that
[04:39] <dommi> obligatory verizon.com link http://www22.verizon.com/ForYourHome/Fios/packagePrice.asp
[04:39] <rahulvirmani> I am having trouble getting ubuntu installed on my Mac G4
[04:40] <rahulvirmani> Where can I go to get some help?
[04:40] <jeld> dommi, interesting...
[04:40] <minghua> rahulvirmani: I installed ubuntu on my iBook G4 without any problem
[04:40] <dommi> just look for a verizon truck installing a six foot tall by 3 foot deep box on or near your telephone pole
[04:40] <minghua> what is your trouble?
[04:40] <jeld> dommi, I am getting fairly decent price for the internet since I got a complete cable package
[04:41] <dommi> but 40 bucks for 5Mb and 2Mb is a steal
[04:41] <rahulvirmani> I get the CD installed but when it reboots, I only get the linux kernel
[04:41] <rahulvirmani> The install does not finish
[04:41] <rahulvirmani> I do get the yast loader (that asks for which to boot OSX or linux)
[04:42] <minghua> what do you mean by ``only the linux kernel''?
[04:42] <minghua> okay, so you type ``l'' at the yaboot loader, then you should have a boot: line
[04:42] <minghua> right?
[04:43] <rahulvirmani> no, I do that and then I get the Linux kernel loaded, but nothing more!
[04:43] <jeld> grrr... SSH gnome-vfs still doesn't work, wish they already dumped it or figured it out
[04:43] <smeggy> what do you mean by "linux kernel"?
[04:44] <minghua> okay, so what is the last message? is there a login: line?
[04:44] <dommi> what is the last thing that happens before the boot crashes.  and how does the boot cycle crash?
[04:44] <rahulvirmani> I get a black screen with text, but no login line.
[04:44] <dommi> hrm, beat me to it
[04:44] <dommi> what does the text say?
[04:44] <minghua> what is the last text then?
[04:45] <rahulvirmani> As I have only one mac, I am now back in OSX, but the text looks like the report of a login 
[04:45] <jeld> OK, guys, ttyl
[04:45] <dommi> layta
[04:46] <dommi> rahulvirmani, what does the report of a login look like?
[04:46] <rahulvirmani> I will have to reboot and then get back to you (I will have to write down what it says)
[04:46] <dommi> if you need to, try booting into ubuntu, write down the error then boot back to x
[04:46] <dommi> again I get beaten to the punch
[04:46] <dommi> :(
[04:46] <rahulvirmani> I will try this. thanks
[04:46] <rahulvirmani> ttyl
[04:48] <dommi> http://www.amd.com/us-en/Weblets/0,,7832_11713,00.html?redir=rttt06
[04:48] <dommi> amd is giving away free processors!
[04:48] <dommi> but they dont seem to want to do so in the northern half of the US
[04:50] <Se7h> Away: ( Sleeping ) | Since: ( Fri Oct  1 03:50:48 2004 ) Xlack v1.8-pre2.
[04:51] <toyowheelin> cool dommi too bad I got one already:)
[04:51] <dommi> go there and get another...  then share the love
[04:51] <toyowheelin> lol
[04:52] <toyowheelin> ( Computer Stats ) [ CPU Model: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3400+ Speed: 2399.998 MHz Cache: 512 KB ]  | RAM Usage: 474/1024M [||||||||||]  ( 46.3% ) | [ HD Model: Maxtor 6Y120P0 Size: 114G with 70G Free ( 61.4% ) ]  | Number of process: 101
[04:53] <jkg> I love AMD's processing naming convention more and more with each iteration, as the name (3400+) diverges further from the clockspeed (2400)...
[04:53] <tseng> toyowheelin: never do that again. thanks
[04:53] <jkg> s/ssing/ssor/ # falling asleep
[04:53] <toyowheelin> sorry tseng 
[04:54] <dommi> rahulvirmani, what did you find?
[04:54] <defendguin> hey did you guys split apart hal and hal device manager?
[04:54] <rahulvirmani> I found the following, it starts of with "Welcome to Linux kernel 2.6.8.1-2-powerpc
[04:55] <rahulvirmani> there are some lines of text with hex next to it
[04:55] <defendguin> originally it looks like the hal package includes hal-device-manager
[04:55] <tseng> defendguin: yes.
[04:55] <tseng> they are two packages
[04:55] <defendguin> but now it has its own package
[04:55] <defendguin> why did you guys go with one package in the first place?
[04:56] <rahulvirmani> The final line is openpic : exit
[04:57] <defendguin> i was talking with davyyd about the battery applet and he says it might possibly be a ubuntu problem why it always reports 0%
[04:58] <jdub> defendguin: one package was how it was done in debian
[04:58] <dommi> rahulvirmani, http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2003/09/msg00468.html
[04:58] <theantix> defendguin, the battery applet that comes with gnome?
[04:59] <minghua> dommi: I found that link too, but it seems to be related to a OS X upgrade
[04:59] <defendguin> we have no support for amp in the kernel and no directory /proc/acpi
[04:59] <defendguin> theantix, yeah
[04:59] <dommi> minghua, agreed
[04:59] <dommi> but it makes for good fodder
[04:59] <theantix> defendguin, it's been working for me since day one, no problems
[04:59] <dommi> rahulvirmani, have you tried zapping your pram?
[05:00] <defendguin> it just reports 0% here
[05:00] <dommi> </typical mac tech support answer>
[05:00] <minghua> dommi: another gentoo forum link says it's also related to OS X upgrade
[05:00] <minghua> rahulvirmani: what is your OS X version?
[05:02] <defendguin> so what power management system is ubuntu supposed to be using?
[05:02] <jdub> whatever your machine supports, ie. acpi or apm
[05:03] <defendguin> ive got nothing i guess :(
[05:04] <defendguin> No APM support in kernel
[05:05] <aitrus> grrr.... Gnome won't load when I enable TwinView!
[05:08] <defendguin> jdub, how can i tell which my laptop supports?
[05:09] <jdub> read dmesg
[05:10] <defendguin> lol
[05:10] <defendguin> ACPI disabled because your bios is from 1999 and too old
[05:10] <defendguin> You can enable it with acpi=force
[05:11] <defendguin> Local APIC disabled by BIOS -- reenabling.
[05:11] <defendguin> Could not enable APIC!
[05:11] <defendguin> hmmm i wonder if i can update the bios on this laptop
[05:12] <defendguin> eeek
[05:13] <rahulvirmani> I am using the latest version of OSX 10.3.5
[05:13] <jkg> it's not a huge issue in my case anyway, since I can't use the machine for >5 minutes without AC power. still, vaguely worrisome.
[05:15] <rahulvirmani> domni are you there?
[05:24] <skreet> Who's using what IRC client?
[05:24] <defendguin> i guess this laptop cant even have apci :(
[05:24] <rahulvirmani> I am using X-Chat Aqua
[05:24] <skreet> Aqua? Special build or something?
[05:24] <rahulvirmani> I guess so, it works under OSX
[05:24] <dieman> irssi is the only irc client.
[05:24] <skreet> ohh, gotcha
[05:24] <dieman> there is no ther.
[05:25] <dieman> no other.
[05:25] <skreet> I'm trying to find a different X client
[05:25] <dieman> oh
[05:25] <joem> skreet, what are you using now?
[05:25] <dieman> irssi is text based :)
[05:25] <skreet> X-Chat
[05:25] <smeggy> just give in
[05:25] <smeggy> and use irssi
[05:25] <joem> I don't think you are going to get better then xchat
[05:25] <skreet> Looking for something with a simplistic / minimalistic UI
[05:25] <skreet> okay.
[05:26] <sweens> hey all
[05:26] <joem> hi
[05:26] <skreet> hola
[05:26] <rahulvirmani> The latest version of OSX seems to have upset ubuntu as I cannot get it to boot after install
[05:26] <sweens> i'm sorry, but i've become one of those loathsome linux newbies...haha
[05:26] <rahulvirmani> Can someone help me here
[05:26] <skreet> Ubuntu has a PPC build?
[05:27] <crimsun> yes.
[05:27] <rahulvirmani> yes it does.
[05:27] <skreet> Cool.
[05:27] <sweens> any hints on how to get grub to recognize my winxp installation?
[05:27] <skreet> I know it says how to do that in the Gentoo Install guide
[05:27] <rahulvirmani> ttyl...over and out
[05:27] <skreet> but I cant recall off the top of my head.
[05:27] <jkg> the installer detected my XP intsallation out of the box, and it Just Worked
[05:27] <sweens> hmmm....
[05:28] <sweens> i think it didn't cause it's loaded on a sata raid 0 stripe
[05:28] <sweens> ubuntu is on a regular ide drive
[05:29] <skreet> Ya that's pretty difficult to configure in Grub so I hear.
[05:29] <skreet> I couldent get Ubuntu to recognise my SATA as a RAID, it called it 2 80 GB drives.
[05:29] <sweens> ditto
[05:30] <sweens> should i attempt to fix grub you think? or replace it with lilo or something?
[05:30] <joem> sweens, there are samples in the menu.lst file
[05:30] <skreet> grub should be able to do it.
[05:31] <sweens> menu.lst file....
[05:31] <sweens> sorry to ask, but where is this?
[05:31] <skreet> /boot/grub
[05:31] <skreet> make sure /boot/ is mounted
[05:31] <sweens> cool...thanks
[05:36] <skreet> If i shutdown and install a USB2.0 Controller, is Ubuntu configured to automatically detect and installl the drivers?
[05:38] <jdub> skreet: yes
[05:38] <skreet> All kindsa fun, Thanks.
[05:41] <toyowheelin> anyone know how to find out what drivers you are currently using for video
[05:43] <jsubl2> grep -i driver /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[05:43] <toyowheelin> k thanks
[05:44] <toyowheelin> jsubl2, do you know how to browse the availible drivers
[05:45] <crimsun> toyowheelin: generally, ls /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/
[05:45] <Mais> Still no word on that AMD64 Nvidia Driver?
[05:45] <toyowheelin> I word on an AMD64 ATI driver
[05:45] <toyowheelin> :(
[05:45] <toyowheelin> *want
[05:45] <toyowheelin> k thanks crimsun
[05:46] <Mais> toyo: have you tried the steps in wiki.ubuntu.com/binarydriverhowto 
[05:46] <defendguin> just as a hint since the the apm module is included in ubuntu if you detect that the bios is too old to support acpi can you load the apm module so they will have a working power management system
[05:46] <toyowheelin> no but i will now Mais
[05:47] <toyowheelin> ok currently I am using the ati driver but it shows there is a radeon driver how do I use it instead
[05:48] <Mais> did you do the apt-get?
[05:48] <Mais> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/
[05:48] <Mais> er
[05:48] <Mais> wrong paste
[05:48] <toyowheelin> umm I did a lot of gettin
[05:49] <toyowheelin> lol
[05:49] <Mais> sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver 
[05:49] <Mais> that guy right there
[05:49] <toyowheelin> I dont remember what all I got
[05:49] <toyowheelin> k ill try it
[05:49] <Mais> the rest of the steps are located here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:50] <toyowheelin> Mais, it cant find package fglrx-driver
[05:50] <Mais> ok
[05:50] <Mais> cd to etc/apt
[05:50] <Mais> and edit sources.list
[05:50] <Mais> remove the two source lines that have # signs next to them
[05:50] <toyowheelin> ok
[05:51] <Mais> then run a: sudo apt-get update
[05:51] <toyowheelin> Mais, none are commented out
[05:52] <Mais> then run the update and try to get it again
[05:52] <toyowheelin> ok
[05:52] <Mais> if it wont find it after that you have the same problem as me for the nvidia drivers
[05:52] <Mais> and us AMD4 guys are screwed ;)
[05:52] <Mais> 64*
[05:52] <toyowheelin> :(
[05:52] <toyowheelin> damn
[05:53] <sweens> what do i do if ubuntu didn't recognize my winxp (sata raid 0) installation? I can't get back to xp now
[05:53] <toyowheelin> hehe
[05:54] <toyowheelin> Mais, still dont find it guess Im stuck with a lil over 120FPS on glxgears non3d accelerated graphics
[05:55] <skreet> Apparenty USB isnt that easy in linux :P
[05:55] <Mais> heh
[05:55] <Mais> at least you have a gui
[05:55] <Mais> lol
[05:55] <Mais> i cant even run xserver
[05:56] <skreet> I guess in the grand spectrum of things my USB device really isnt that important
[05:56] <toyowheelin> but im gonna restart the xserver i just replaced the ATI driver with one called radeon
[05:56] <skreet> Anyone here wanna take a stab at how to mount a USB hard disk?
[05:56] <skreet> on perhaps they already know, even easier. :)
[05:57] <Mais> -- /dev/usb0 ?? random guess
[05:57] <joem> probably listed as /dev/sdX
[05:57] <skreet> no such file or directory
[05:57] <skreet> I have sda
[05:57] <skreet> and sda1
[05:57] <joem> mount /dev/sda1 /mountpoint
[05:57] <skreet> cannot fdisk -l /dev/sda
[05:57] <skreet> oh you'd like that woudlent you joem
[05:57] <skreet> lol
[05:57] <skreet> it DOES mount
[05:57] <skreet> but I cannot open the folder.
[05:57] <joem> whats it say?
[05:58] <skreet> I find it odd i cant fdisk -l sda
[05:58] <skreet> Permission denied.
[05:58] <skreet> skreet@ubuntu /mnt $ fdisk -l /dev/sda
[05:58] <skreet> Cannot open /dev/sda
[05:58] <joem> skreet, sudo fdisk ...
[05:58] <skreet> oh
[05:58] <skreet> haha
[05:58] <skreet> good point
[05:58] <joem> :)
[05:58] <skreet> hey!
[05:58] <skreet> worked like a charm
[05:59] <skreet> i dont suppose i need full root privs to VIEW files on the mount point?!
[05:59] <skreet> erm nvm
[05:59] <toyowheelin> humm no diff
[05:59] <skreet> being dmb
[05:59] <skreet>  i need to give myself some privs .. grm lol
[05:59] <toyowheelin> is there a way to tell the xserver to use 3d acceleration
[06:01] <skreet> how can I give /mnt/usb_hdd permissions for normal users?!
[06:01] <skreet> chmod 777 /mnt/usb_hdd is attempting to write to the FS, giving me "read-only filesystem" errors
[06:02] <toyowheelin> mount it with rw
[06:02] <skreet> It cant be mounted write. it's ntfs
[06:02] <skreet> but no matter how i mount it the settings only apply to "root" right?
[06:03] <skreet> I dont want to have to sudo every task I want to interact with this partition.
[06:03] <toyowheelin> chown users
[06:03] <toyowheelin> ??
[06:03] <bob2> toyowheelin: no
[06:03] <toyowheelin> IDK
[06:03] <skreet> "Read-only filesystem"
[06:03] <bob2> skreet: mount it with the "uid" option
[06:03] <bob2> or the "umask" one.
[06:03] <skreet> bob2: I'm intreged, go on :)
[06:03] <skreet> how do i do that.
[06:03] <bob2> what do yo uwant to do?
[06:04] <bob2> make all of it readable to everyone?
[06:04] <skreet> I want to mount /dev/sda1 to /mnt/usb_hdd, and allow my user account to access it (the only user account) without having to use sudo
[06:04] <skreet> i dont care if jesus can access it, full control is fine.
[06:04] <skreet> it's only me :)
[06:04] <bob2> umask=002 in fstab
[06:04] <skreet> what does that mean, 002?
[06:05] <skreet> nice!
[06:06] <skreet> Worked great, thanks bob2
[06:06] <bob2> it's documented in the mount manpage, iirc
[06:06] <alias[k] > Could someone please tell me how to multi monitor?
[06:06] <aitrus> alias[k] : you mean nVidia TwinView?
[06:06] <skreet> alias[k] : Not that easy, Havent done it in a while though.
[06:06] <punkass> alias: did u get that figured out last nite?
[06:06] <punkass> s/did/didnt/
[06:07] <toyowheelin> Section "DRI"
[06:07] <toyowheelin>         Mode    0666
[06:07] <toyowheelin>       anyone know what that is?
[06:07] <bob2> it's a permission
[06:07] <bob2> for /dev/dri/*, afaict
[06:08] <alias[k] > Yeah like twin view
[06:08] <alias[k] > I did it last night, but I had to format
[06:08] <alias[k] > punkass showed me
[06:08] <bob2> had to? how come?
[06:08] <alias[k] > Too much experimentation with KDE
[06:08] <alias[k] > =P
[06:09] <punkass> ill paste it again alias
[06:09] <punkass> goto #flood
[06:09] <alias[k] > thanks man
[06:10] <punkass> np
[06:11] <skreet> Wow
[06:11] <skreet> Systerm HARD LOCKED
[06:11] <skreet> that was hot.
[06:12] <skreet> Rhythmbox was loading the libarry from my usb drive
[06:12] <skreet> and POOF byebye
[06:12] <skreet> is that rhythmbox sucking or some kind of hardware conflict?
[06:13] <crimsun> rhythmbox wouldn't be to blame
[06:13] <toyowheelin> thers something wrong with some of the mirrors
[06:13] <crimsun> manage to catch any dmesg output?
[06:13] <skreet> hard locked.
[06:13] <skreet> Ctrl-Alt-Backspace got me no where
[06:13] <skreet> does it save dmesg?
[06:13] <bob2> skreet: if you're using the binary nvidia drivers, you get to keep both pieces when it breaks
[06:14] <skreet> Stock Ubuntu install, with smp kernel installed.
[06:14] <skreet> Bout all i've done.
[06:14] <skreet> that and apache2
[06:14] <skreet> all from the package manager.
[06:16] <skreet> apparenty totem movie player doesnt like Windows Media 9 encoded video.. who woulda thunk? :P haha
[06:17] <crimsun> ``totem'' that's in universe?
[06:18] <aitrus> anyone have any idae why when i go to login to gnome, the splash screen shows, but nothing loads
[06:18] <skreet> No idea.
[06:18] <joem> there any other mozilla video plugins besides the vlc and kaffeine one?
[06:18] <skreet> However all my video files have codec that Ubuntu does not, apparently.
[06:19] <bob2> joem: mozilla-mplayer
[06:20] <skreet> bob2 does mplayer support any more codecs than Totem.. or where can I get codecs?
[06:20] <joem> I don't see that package in any of the apt repos
[06:20] <bob2> indeed.
[06:20] <skreet> Preferabily DivX, Xvid, and Windows Media (if possible) I think that should cover my collection of stand up comedy.
[06:20] <bob2> why don't you just reencode your warez?
[06:20] <punkass> get w32codecs
[06:20] <bob2> joem: it's in marillat's debian repository
[06:20] <skreet> bob2: Too much of a pain in the ass.
[06:20] <punkass> and use totem-xine
[06:21] <skreet> punkass: Will try. thanks.
[06:21] <joem> hmm I have that repo but no mozilla-mplayer
[06:21] <jsubl2> skreet, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[06:23] <atomsk> Is it possible to log the complete boot sequence of ubuntu/debian?
[06:23] <crimsun> aitrus: which of the following urls applies?  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1857  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1725
[06:24] <aitrus> crimsun: reading...
[06:25] <skreet> Odd, no totem-xine.
[06:25] <crimsun> skreet: did you uncomment the universe line(s) in /etc/apt/sources.list and ``apt-get update''?
[06:26] <skreet> crimsun: I'm using the Synaptic Package Manager, not going through the command line, but I've added Christian Marillat's unstable repository as the FAQ suggested
[06:26] <aitrus> crimsun: #1857 is exactly like my current issue (including the /dev/dsp entries in .xsession-errors)
[06:26] <skreet> and then when i searched for totem-xine i got nothing
[06:26] <skreet> thats just anohter player right, not essential to these codecs?
[06:27] <punkass> totem-xine is in the repos
[06:27] <skreet> punkass: cant seem to find it :\
[06:28] <crimsun> you need to uncomment universe
[06:28] <crimsun> i'm not familiar with synaptic
[06:28] <punkass> did u use universe like crimsun said?
[06:28] <punkass> its the 4th one from the bottom in the repo list
[06:28] <skreet> Okay let me try doing this by hand, where is this file located?
[06:28] <skreet> nvm i scrolled up :P
[06:30] <bob2> hm, why isn't bootlogd installed by default?
[06:30] <crimsun> because it's not in any repo
[06:30] <skreet> Okay thanks punkass I got totme-xine now
[06:31] <punkass> good stuff
[06:31] <crimsun> sorry, wrong window.
[06:32] <punkass> skreet: i use these to: http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/xine/w32codec-0.52-1.i386.rpm
[06:32] <skreet> i think it got it all set up via package manager
[06:32] <punkass> oh well if there is somethings it cant play then use that
[06:33] <skreet> Nice my videos play
[06:33] <skreet> Thanks again punkass
[06:33] <punkass> no prob
[06:34] <skreet> but i gotta go to bed
[06:34] <skreet> goodnight eveyrone
[06:34] <punkass> nite
[06:34] <aitrus> how do i add myself to a bug so that i get emails when comments are posted to it?
[06:35] <acf> hey, how do i fix an error 18 after grub is loading stage1.5? i tried doing grub-install with /dev/sda and /dev/sda1 (the root partition. this is in vmware.
[06:36] <ndowens> sup
[06:53] <tuppa> so is canonical already sending out ubuntu CDs from the info entered at shipit.ubuntulinux.org
[06:57] <skaught> Hi all, I was wondering if anybody had any insight into my Toshiba laptop keyboard not functioning when I boot into the ubuntu install CD. I've tried normal and acpi=off so far. It's a Satellite A70
[06:58] <stub> tuppa: No - the preview release is not being shipped on cd. shipit.ubuntulinux.org is for requesting cd's of the gold release, which is a few weeks away.
[06:58] <Treenaks> what about nolapic?
[06:59] <tuppa> oooh
[07:06] <punkass> skaught_: yeah nolapic worked for me on my dell laptop
[07:34] <WX> hi
[07:34] <WX> how do i install java in ubuntu?
[07:41] <eldad> is the 30-sep iso fixed?
[07:44] <alias[k] > Does anyone have XMMS working?
[07:44] <phin> does aa fonts eat alot of cpu and mem?
[07:45] <burner_> xmms?  nope... beep-media-player works though
[07:45] <alias[k] > Any good?
[07:46] <adam_> hi everyone... thx for a great desktop distro - for whoever has been involved with it - i'm having problems with one thing though....
[07:46] <phin> ask
[07:46] <adam_> i can't figure out how to set environment variables
[07:46] <joem> just ask
[07:46] <joem> export?
[07:46] <phin> export BLAH=blah
[07:47] <joem> adam_, what are you trying to set?
[07:47] <adam_> actuall i guess i've figured out how to set variables... when i set the PATH variable, i can't loginto gdm
[07:47] <adam_> i'm trying to add the java bin
[07:48] <knarph> that was a pain for me
[07:48] <adam_> after entering login info to gdm... i get an error message about it not bieing able to find some executables in the path
[07:48] <knarph> gnome ended up dying
[07:48] <burner_> alias[k] , way good
[07:48] <burner_> it's based on xmms... but gtk2 based
[07:49] <burner_> and on that note... good luck, i'm out
[07:49] <adam_> knarpfh, same issue as mine ?
[07:49] <knarph> adam_, probably... I logged out at the wrong time i guess.  when I came back in I got no toolbars
[07:50] <WX> how do i install java?
[07:51] <adam_> i don't even get to the point where gnome is trying to build toolbars
[07:51] <goatboy> adam_: what are you setting $PATH to?
[07:51] <punkass> WX: here is a deb package of java: http://z42.de/debian/sun-j2re1.5debian_0.9_all.deb
[07:51] <adam_> PATH=/usr/local/java/bin:$PATH
[07:52] <WX> punkass: im new to ubuntu/devian
[07:53] <WX> debian
[07:53] <WX> any easy way to install?
[07:53] <punkass> save that then run:  sudo dpkg -i thefilename
[07:53] <punkass> i am just about to try it myself
[07:54] <WX> punkass: it depends on more
[07:54] <punkass> oh..sorry i havnt got that far yet
[07:55] <WX> ohh ok
[07:55] <deFrysk> deb http://z42.de debian/ can be added to your sources.list
[07:55] <deFrysk> and then install it
[07:57] <punkass> what do u put in for Distribution and Seciton?
[07:59] <elim> help, does anyone know where the gdm sessions directory is?
[08:02] <goatboy> elim: /usr/share/xsessions.
[08:02] <elim> ok thnx
[08:03] <punkass> deFrysk: even with the repo in there it still gets dep issues
[08:03] <punkass> sun-j2re1.5debian:
[08:03] <punkass>  Depends: sun-j2re1.5 but it is not installable
[08:03] <deFrysk> punkass, checking...
[08:04] <deFrysk> yup
[08:04] <deFrysk> does not install
[08:04] <punkass> nope
[08:04] <deFrysk> unpacked it
[08:04] <deFrysk> copied it to usr/local/
[08:05] <punkass> ah
[08:05] <deFrysk> and made a symlink to firefox/plugins
[08:05] <deFrysk> and done
[08:05] <punkass> ..i want mine for development :)
[08:05] <deFrysk> punkass I see , i am not a developer
[08:06] <punkass> i think i can do the same...just have to make a $JAVA_HOME location
[08:06] <deFrysk> oh like setting path you mean ?
[08:06] <punkass> i just wanted to try the deb..for all the people that ask on here..would be nice for a easy fix
[08:06] <punkass> yeah
[08:07] <deFrysk> I see
[08:07] <deFrysk> a nice handhold in the faq of ubuntu might be handy for some
[08:07] <phin> making kernels on k6-2's rock
[08:07] <punkass> yeah theres a bit of one there...thats where i found out about these debs
[08:08] <lucas_> hello
[08:09] <deFrysk> why not make a deb of the rpm.bin with alien ?
[08:09] <lucas_> is there an ubuntu port to sparc in the work ?
[08:09] <punkass> that might work..just not sure if alien keeps symlinks etc
[08:10] <punkass> backinabit
[08:10] <deFrysk> punkass, not sure either but my guess is not
[08:11] <phin> last time i built a kernel on this machine it took 6 hours
[08:11] <deFrysk> punkass as a developer, cant you make a script to autmagicly make the symlink, wrapped in a dep ?
[08:12] <phin> just synlink it yourself
[08:12] <phin> symlink*
[08:12] <deFrysk> phin, I know but others do not ;)
[08:13] <phin> ya
[08:13] <phin> well they should use windows if they cant figure it out :P
[08:14] <deFrysk> phin, I am not in the mood to kick a dead horse
[08:14] <phin> thou i dont agree with using anaconda as an installer, i think that would put it over the top to getting new users on a grest distro
[08:14] <phin> hehe me either :P
[08:14] <phin> there should be two installer branches or something
[08:15] <phin> is there a cli based aim client,  i had an icq one before that was pretty slick.
[08:16] <lucas_> centericq
[08:16] <lucas_> which does both icq and aim
[08:16] <phin> does it connect to aim?
[08:16] <lucas_> and others too
[08:16] <phin> is it in ubuntu?
[08:16] <phin> universe or anything?
[08:16] <lucas_> probably in universe
[08:17] <phin> searching now
[08:17] <phin> yep it is :)
[08:17] <joem> pork is a good cli aim client
[08:18] <joem> interface just like irssi
[08:18] <phin> i do like irssi
[08:18] <joem> and does oscar
[08:19] <phin> how do i remove aa all toether from x,  i think its my main slowdown
[08:24] <phin> hmm centericq wont connect me
[08:28] <phin> pork is neet :)
[08:30] <neighborlee> by chance can someone tell what library I'm missing from this error message ??:: /bin/sh ../ylwrap setl.l .c setl.c -- /bin/sh /home/neighborlee/nwmouse/libnw/missing --run flex  -d -s
[08:30] <neighborlee> /home/neighborlee/nwmouse/libnw/libnw/setl.l:255: warning, -s option given but default rule can be matched
[08:30] <neighborlee> make[2] : *** [setl.c]  Error 1
[08:34] <knarph> dang it! how do I mount ntfs volumes again?
[08:36] <mkyc-ubuntu> carefully :P
[08:36] <knarph> heh, hope so
[08:36] <knarph> /dev/hda1       /mnt/C          ntfs    users,ro,umask=222   0 0
[08:36] <knarph> what am I missing?
[08:37] <crimsun> well, i'd bump the pass #
[08:37] <crimsun> make it 2
[08:37] <knarph> k
[08:37] <crimsun> and /mnt/C exists, correct?
[08:38] <knarph> yup - i just get permission denied oerror
[08:38] <crimsun> ``sudo mount /mnt/C'' should work
[08:38] <knarph> nope
[08:38] <crimsun> what's the error?
[08:38] <knarph> well, technically it does
[08:39] <knarph> it mounts, launches the file browser with an error box saying 'you don't have permission' blabh blah
[08:41] <BillT> I'm trying to get a Geforce 6800 working on an AMD64, and not having any luck.  It looks like the NVidia modules aren't compiled for AMD64?
[08:41] <neighborlee> knarph, just su to root temporarily and voila your done
[08:42] <knarph> will that work in Ubuntu? i thought all was done with sudo
[08:42] <neighborlee> knarph, mount -t ntfs /dev/hdax /blah/blah
[08:42] <neighborlee> knarph, it will if you setup a root passwd ;-)
[08:42] <knarph> BillT, I'm still waiting for decent drivers for my 9600xt
[08:43] <neighborlee> knarph, its not as safe of course but....sudo is usually recommended  for obvious reasons for for now heck ;-))
[08:43] <knarph> Gah! same error.
[08:44] <BillT> hmm.  At this point it's not a matter of 'decent' for me, it's a matter of 'any'...  new versions of Gnome and Evolution don't do too much for me in text consoles :(
[08:44] <neighborlee> knarph: mine works here so I dont see what you could be doing wrong
[08:45] <punkass> BillT: as far as i know fabbione is working on a 64bit nvidia package
[08:45] <BillT> cool, that's good to know
[08:46] <togs> hi
[08:46] <knarph> you could alwways install text-quake, turn your font green, and lament about the blue pill
[08:47] <togs> anybody answering questions today?
[08:48] <joem> always
[08:48] <togs> oky :)
[08:48] <togs> i'm pretty new to linux - used RH ages ago, just installed Ub earlier today
[08:48] <joem> always feel free to just ask, if somebody knows, they will answer
[08:49] <togs> but anyway, I was trying to get windows network going, and the properties box told me i needed samba
[08:49] <Treenaks> togs: sudo apt-get install samba (or select it from synaptic)
[08:50] <togs> one moment, ill try the CLI - already tried syn, it broke it
[08:50] <Treenaks> togs: synaptic broke it???
[08:51] <togs> yeah, basically
[08:51] <togs> gibe me a sec
[08:51] <Treenaks> that's almost impossible..
[08:52] <fabbione> hey Treenaks 
[08:52] <knarph> ok, synaptic needs an overhaul
[08:52] <Treenaks> fabbione: hey -- did you see the trace?
[08:52] <knarph> doesn't set basic $VAR or symlinks
[08:52] <fabbione> Treenaks: yes and did you see my reply?
[08:52] <togs> now, if I go Computer > Sys Config > Networking, I get an error: "The configuration could not be loaded. There was an error running the backend script"
[08:52] <Treenaks> fabbione: uh, not yet
[08:53] <togs> samba is the only package i installed - I also did a "smart upgrade"
[08:53] <Treenaks> ah ok
[08:54] <togs> any idea why that happened?
[08:55] <Treenaks> fabbione: aren't you looking at the trace the wrong way? everything < 8 seems to be the signal handler..
[08:55] <mojo> hi all ppl, I'm also new to Ubuntu, hope ppl will help me out
[08:55] <fabbione> Treenaks: yes, but you get the signal before :-)
[08:55] <fabbione> and than you handle it ;)
[08:55] <fabbione> everything before <8 means that the error happened before that
[08:56] <fabbione> what happens after is what X tries to do handling the signal
[08:57] <mojo> xpdf and ggv can't read my 8.7MB PDF file, what program I need to read it? Thanx in advance
[08:58] <mojo> .....
[09:00] <Treenaks> fabbione: also, after --purge'ing xserver-xfree86-dbg while xserver-xfree86 is still installed leaves the "X" symlink pointing to /bin/true instead of XFree86
[09:00] <Treenaks> fabbione: I'll file that as a separate bug
[09:01] <fabbione> that's weird
[09:02] <fabbione> but yes... open a normal bug
[09:02] <fabbione> it's not critical
[09:02] <alias[k] > Who knows whats up with the EOF's from the Transgaming servers while trying to install CVS Cedega?
[09:02] <Treenaks> no of course
[09:02] <fabbione> people that installs -dbg are supposed to know what they are doing
[09:02] <Treenaks> that's /etc/X11/X right?
[09:02] <fabbione> yes
[09:04] <Treenaks> fabbione: #1951
[09:04] <fabbione> Treenaks: thanks
[09:05] <tvon> Anyone know anything about the abiword packages ?  They seem rather odd
[09:05] <tvon> 2.0.7+cvs.2004.05.05
[09:05] <tvon> since its an old cvs snap..and 2.0.12 is out anyways
[09:06] <fabbione> tvon: nothing wrong
[09:06] <fabbione> we are in deep freeze and we don't upload new upstream versions
[09:06] <fabbione> only really important bug fixes
[09:06] <tvon|x31> Deep freeze has been on for 4 months?
[09:07] <tvon|x31> or is that from Sarge-ish branch?
[09:07] <tvon|x31> s/from/from the/
[09:07] <tvon|x31> (whenever ubuntu branched off of Testing)
[09:08] <fabbione> tvon|x31: once we create the snapshot from Sid/unstable, it is unlike that new upstream versions will enter the archive
[09:08] <fabbione> the snapshot was done approx 4 months ago
[09:08] <tvon|x31> ah, gotcha
[09:08] <fabbione> it's not a continuos sync
[09:08] <tvon|x31> I know, but since some apps have been updated I wasn't sure why abi wasnt
[09:09] <fabbione> applications that have been updated are the ones that had serious bug fixed with new upstream release
[09:09] <fabbione> and for ex we couldn't easily backport the fix
[09:10] <fabbione> Treenaks: 1951 -> invalid
[09:10] <fabbione> Treenaks: when you purge -dbg there is a specific warning that says what is going on
[09:11] <fabbione> and we cannot ask questions to user in remove phase because we don't know how much of the system is left
[09:11] <Treenaks> fabbione: shouldn't it "detect" xserver-xfree86 still being installed?
[09:11] <fabbione> it does and it tells you
[09:12] <Treenaks> oh.. well..
[09:12] <Treenaks> I know how to fix it..
[09:12] <fabbione> -dbg prerm warning: X sever provided by -dbg is being removed; setting blablab to foobar
[09:12] <fabbione> -dbg prerm warning: run "dpkg-reocnfigure xserver-xfree86" before attempting to start X server again
[09:12] <Treenaks> ah ok
[09:13] <Treenaks> nevermind then
[09:13] <fabbione> just hand written on the fly :-9
[09:13] <fabbione> i have the log on the test machine
[09:18] <knarph> has anyone tried to put Ubuntu on the Via micro-ATX yet?
[09:19] <Treenaks> knarph: not micro-atx.. but mini-itx works :)
[09:19] <Treenaks> knarph: EPIA M-10000
[09:19] <knarph> ooooh, really?
[09:19] <Treenaks> yes
[09:21] <knarph> i was thinking about maing an 'old-school box' with linux, dosbox, and scummvm
[09:21] <knarph> maing/making
[09:21] <Treenaks> that'scool
[09:21] <Treenaks> too bad palette fades don't really work nice in dosbox (I have some old games that do that)
[09:22] <knarph> yeah, and it's becoming a cycle hog.
[09:23] <crimsun> yay, FLAC 1.1.1 is out.
[09:23] <fabbione> hey linux_mafia !
[09:23] <linux_mafia> fabbione, hey man
[09:24] <linux_mafia> anyone know why xmms dont work no more?
[09:26] <fabbione> linux_mafia: error?
[09:26] <linux_mafia> sorry if this is more appropriate for #flood
[09:26] <linux_mafia> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:26] <linux_mafia> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[09:26] <fabbione> ok
[09:26] <fabbione> linux_mafia: known bug
[09:26] <crimsun> you need libmikmod* installed.
[09:27] <linux_mafia> sweet
[09:27] <tberman> anyone else seeing kacpid taking like 99% of their cpu after like 20 mintes of uptime?
[09:27] <fabbione> linux_mafia: either you remove nvidia-glx or you install libmikmod
[09:27] <fabbione> linux_mafia: but only nvidia-glx is at fault
[09:27] <fabbione> xmms and libc6 are ok
[09:28] <linux_mafia> oh ok, yeah i installed nvidia last night, just to see, im a munter really cause i only use 2d, just wanted to see if there was a difference
[09:30] <alias[k] > how do i merge a .reg file into wine's fake registry
[09:33] <PoW> hmm has anyone gotten a the problem when ./configure'ing certain packages they return XFree86 is needed
[09:33] <PoW> although it is installed >.>
[09:38] <joem> PoW, probably need a -dev package
[09:38] <PoW> hmm
[09:38] <joem> x-dev or xlibs maybe
[09:38] <Treenaks> xlibs-dev, but what are you trying to compile?
[09:39] <Treenaks> (you shouldn't compile if the package is in universal..)
[09:41] <polok> morning
[09:41] <fubar> hello
[09:41] <Treenaks> hi
[09:42] <fubar> got a prob, fresh install never chose to download packages from the net, now once i reboot and run "apt-get update" it tell me "Reading Package Lists... Done
[09:42] <fubar> michael@mlap:~ $ sudo apt-get update
[09:42] <fubar> Password:
[09:42] <fubar> Reading Package Lists... Done
[09:42] <fubar> like so
[09:42] <fubar> heh
[09:42] <Treenaks> fabbione: edit /etc/apt/sources.list to enable the network sources
[09:43] <fubar> who me? (fubar)
[09:43] <Treenaks> fubar: uh, yes
[09:43] <fubar> tnx 
[09:43] <bob2> is sudo supposed to ask for my password everytime?
[09:43] <alias[k] > nah
[09:43] <alias[k] > only when you start a new console
[09:44] <fabbione> Treenaks: i know you are in love with me :P
[09:44] <Treenaks> fabbione: :P
[09:44] <fubar> should i uncomment security?
[09:44] <Treenaks> fubar: of course.. security = important
[09:44] <fubar> and i can leave universe commented
[09:45] <fubar> ?
[09:45] <Treenaks> if you wish.. 
[09:45] <Treenaks> but then you won't be able to get packages from universe
[09:47] <punkass> gnome gurus? :)
[09:47] <punkass> i am trying to run an applet
[09:48] <Treenaks> punkass: just run it? :)
[09:48] <punkass> "OAFIID:GNOME_NautilusMenu".
[09:48] <punkass> Details: Failed to resolve, or extend '!prefs_key=/apps/panel/profiles/default/applets/applet_10/prefs;background=none:;orient=up;size=small;locked_down=false
[09:48] <punkass> well i get that after i select it from the list and say Add
[09:49] <punkass> i can run it with the flag of   window   and it opens itself in a little window so i know the app works
[09:50] <punkass> this was made for 2.6 so i am not sure what is different in 2.8
[09:51] <Treenaks> don't know
[09:51] <punkass> me either.
[09:51] <punkass> doesnt seem to be much in the land of google either
[09:52] <fubar> thanks peeps
[09:52] <dyn> good morning
[09:53] <froh> is shadow passwords supported over NIS?
[09:57] <fabbione> Treenaks: when do you think you can test again withou libc6-i686?
[09:57] <Treenaks> fabbione: around 19:00 CEST
[09:58] <fabbione> Treenaks: ok. i will be happely removing wall paper at that time :-)
[09:58] <dyn> as a long time linux user (debian, gentoo), i'm looking for a gf-compatible distribution which can be used offline with no net connection
[09:58] <Treenaks> :)
[09:58] <dyn> i've heard about ubuntu on osnews.com
[09:58] <fabbione> Treenaks: if that is not the reason of the crash, please send me a full strace in a gzip file to fabbione@canonical.com
[09:58] <dyn> but i didn't yet had the chance to burn it and try out
[09:58] <crimsun> gf == "girlfriend"?
[09:58] <crimsun> or nvidia geforce?
[09:59] <dyn> crimsun: girlfriend of cource :)
[09:59] <fabbione> Treenaks: i want see if other stuff is happening as well before the crash
[09:59] <dyn> and gf-compatible should cover audio/video playback and having dosbox
[09:59] <Treenaks> crimsun: ubuntu is gf-compatible :)
[09:59] <crimsun> dyn: the preview cd is perfectly usable direct from the cd :)
[09:59] <Hrdwr_BoB> yeah
[09:59] <dyn> video playback including dvd and divx playback too
[09:59] <froh> NIS shadow maps works, but does anyone know why Gnome hangs if /home is on NFS
[09:59] <crimsun> granted, if it has a fast network connection, you'll be able to pull down updates
[09:59] <froh> and i have file locking
[09:59] <Hrdwr_BoB> ubuntu is highly gf comptable except if your gf is already running debian withn gnome 2.6 and doesn't want you to break her box again
[10:00] <Treenaks> Hrdwr_BoB: :P
[10:00] <punkass> lol
[10:00] <punkass> box
[10:00] <dyn> Hrdwr_BoB: atm she has no linux - i couldn't find any distros which could provide all that features without network
[10:00] <crimsun> dyn: even ubuntu will need 'net access for the divx codecs
[10:01] <Hrdwr_BoB> oh, it's like .. not network connected at all?
[10:01] <Hrdwr_BoB> yech
[10:01] <dyn> crimsun: can you sum it up which debs i should grab for making it complete for her?
[10:01] <dyn> Hrdwr_BoB: exactly
[10:01] <Hrdwr_BoB> dyn: easiest way to do that is to install it and the grab all the debs
[10:01] <Hrdwr_BoB> make it work
[10:01] <Hrdwr_BoB> then burn those debs to a CD
[10:01] <Hrdwr_BoB> or remove the machine
[10:02] <Hrdwr_BoB> and do the same but skip the CD burning step etc
[10:02] <dyn> Hrdwr_BoB: hmm i dont have a chance to bring her box in here to work
[10:02] <Hrdwr_BoB> you don't have net at home?
[10:02] <dyn> Hrdwr_BoB: not at her place
[10:02] <dyn> we have better things to do usually =)
[10:02] <Hrdwr_BoB> you can't take it to your place?
[10:03] <Hrdwr_BoB> haha
[10:03] <Hrdwr_BoB> I dunno
[10:03] <Hrdwr_BoB> I live with my fiance
[10:03] <Hrdwr_BoB> we mostly play warcraft against each other or get into stupid fights
[10:03] <dyn> hehe bob
[10:04] <dyn> is it possible to install ubuntu manually?
[10:04] <dyn> i'd crack it up into a chroot of my gentoo system and check what packages it would need additionally
[10:04] <dyn> i dont have space for a separate partition though
[10:05] <crimsun> there's a guide on the wiki for installing it using qemu
[10:05] <dyn> hmm i dont even heard of qemu
[10:05] <crimsun> i ran it for a week or so under vmware workstation 4.5.2 on a XP machine at work
[10:06] <dyn> so in theory i'd need the win32-codec packs
[10:06] <dyn> is it prepackaged for ubuntu?
[10:06] <Hrdwr_BoB> not as such
[10:06] <dyn> and i didn't even see mplayer in the mirrors' filelist
[10:06] <Hrdwr_BoB> but get the testing pkgs from marilat
[10:06] <dyn> Hrdwr_BoB: what's marilat?
[10:06] <Hrdwr_BoB> grab the marrilat debs
[10:06] <Hrdwr_BoB> http://hpisi.nerim.net/\
[10:06] <Hrdwr_BoB> http://hpisi.nerim.net/
[10:07] <dyn> what's marillat then?
[10:07] <dyn> hm
[10:07] <crimsun> the former debian developer who packages them
[10:07] <dyn> ah ok
[10:07] <dyn> shame, but i've left debian completely about 2 years ago
[10:07] <crimsun> nerim.net houses the packages since marillat.free.fr couldn't sustain the traffic
[10:08] <dyn> after being a true believer user of debian for 4.5+ years
[10:08] <punkass> has anyone done a upgrade lately?
[10:08] <dyn> what about ubuntu's community anyway?
[10:08] <crimsun> punkass: yup, 5 minutes ago
[10:08] <crimsun> punkass: what's up?
[10:08] <punkass> ive been hearing a few people having problems with gnome loading...so i was worried
[10:08] <dyn> recently i'm getting fed up with the amounts of linux newbies getting on gentoo :(
[10:08] <crimsun> punkass: that's resolved
[10:09] <punkass> cool thanks
[10:09] <dyn> it wouldn't be a serious problem (everyone starts somewhere), but gentoo is getting noob-proof features, which it really should not
[10:10] <crimsun> generally "noob-proof" features are Good Things, since they make maintanence more straight-forward. In any case, there're always Slackware and Debian Sid. :)
[10:10] <punkass> to reload any new gnome apps can i just restart gdm?
[10:10] <dyn> crimsun: i mean stuff like `emerge` telling me that emerging an ebuild (source package of gentoo) by hand is dangerous and i shouldn't continue
[10:11] <bob2> punkass: just log out and in
[10:11] <dyn> crimsun: that's cutting the power of the poweruser
[10:11] <punkass> ok.
[10:11] <dyn> which aint a Good Thing (tm)
[10:11] <crimsun> dyn: i would think that warning could be suppressed, no?
[10:11] <bob2> dyn: can you overrid it?
[10:11] <dyn> bob2: it's a warning only, but clearly showing the path to being noobproof
[10:11] <joem> dyn, what do you mean by hand?
[10:12] <dyn> i like it raw, as is :)
[10:12] <joem> you mean emerge /path/to/ebuild
[10:12] <punkass> you just run:  emerge -l33t  and then it doesnt show up
[10:12] <dyn> joem: yup
[10:12] <dyn> hah punkass :)
[10:12] <punkass> ;)
[10:12] <joem> dyn, emerge /path/to/ebuild will mess up your world file and depgraph
[10:12] <dyn> also, emerge is kinda crap from a coder's point of view
[10:12] <dyn> joem: i dont care the world file anyway
[10:12] <joem> you should really learn how to use emerge the properway
[10:13] <dyn> joem: when did you start to use linux?
[10:13] <ctd> I thought I was in #ubuntu
[10:13] <bob2> doesn't this sound more like a #im-leet3r-than-u discussion?
[10:13] <bob2> not to stop you comparing gentoo penis size and all
[10:14] <joem> heh
[10:14] <punkass> lol
[10:14] <dyn> the main point was how to get ubuntu gf-compatible ;)
[10:14] <dyn> and i'd love to stuck with that topic
[10:14] <ctd> "My CFLAGS are longer than yours!"
[10:14] <joem> more of a discussion on useability in general
[10:14] <joem> and why it is a good thing
[10:14] <punkass> get totem-xine, libdvdcss, w32codecs
[10:14] <bob2> ctd: TongMaster's CFLAGS are the longest in the channel, I reckon
[10:14] <dyn> punkass: dosbox? packages?
[10:15] <dyn> s/packages/packaged/
[10:15] <punkass> totem-xine is. the others are not
[10:15] <dyn> she is totally addicted to Colonization (to mention one :)
[10:15] <punkass> legal reasons
[10:15] <ctd> bob2: He cheated, just kept adding --funroll-loops multiple times.
[10:15] <bob2> haha
[10:15] <bob2> -fomit-instructions
[10:15] <punkass> i have no idea what that is
[10:15] <joem> --skipthe-manpage
[10:16] <smo> dosbox appears to be in debian-testing, and doesn't appear to require anything you wouldn't find on the ubuntu-cd ( http://packages.debian.org/dosbox )
[10:16] <dyn> dosbox is a dos emulator, suitable to run old dos games
[10:16] <dyn> great, smo
[10:17] <dyn> ok, time to burn the iso then
[10:18] <dyn> oh well and the italian mirror got the same file (warhog iso) with different date and different md5sum as the uk mirror
[10:20] <dyn> i recall the .it mirror aint got refreshed but either some date or some version number should be attached to those filenames
[10:20] <crimsun> i've been using the same iso i downloaded from the .it mirror a "couple" weeks ago
[10:21] <dyn> i guess both are ok
[10:21] <smo> they look the same here
[10:21] <dyn> smo: let me recheck, i d/l-ed it yesterday
[10:21] <smo> It may be worth noting that the UK link on the download page, takes you to a different release .. sounder-9, not warty-preview
[10:22] <punkass> crimsun: 134 packages updated, smooth as silk
[10:22] <crimsun> good stuff.
[10:22] <dyn> 142875506ad004bb1fe08ad603ce615a  warty-i386.iso - from uk mirror's MD5SUM
[10:22] <dyn> 9750df59b73428b68e681c3c44b31ff5  warty-i386.iso  - from it mirror's MD5SUM
[10:22] <punkass> tho i am still fighting with this silly applet
[10:23] <dyn> sorry i meant to say warty, not warhog earlier
[10:23] <Treenaks> warty warhog?
[10:23] <dyn> :)
[10:23] <Treenaks> is that like a war-horse?
[10:23] <dyn> i just couldnt recall the name, i've first read about ubuntu yesterday
[10:24] <smo> yup, 142... matches sounder-test9.  compare the URL's, the UK mirror isn't pointing you to release 4.10
[10:24] <dyn> not is english my first language so unfortunately warty makes about the same sense for me :P)
[10:24] <TongMaster> o/~ my CFLAG's bring all the girls to the bar and they're like, they're better than your's, I could teach bob2 but I'd have to charge o/~
[10:24] <punkass> haha
[10:25] <dyn> smo: sounder-test9 should stand for what? is it an older/newer snapshot than warty, or..?
[10:25] <smo> the sounder series apear to be snapshots, yes .. 9 is the most recent (more recent than warty)
[10:26] <bob2> TongMaster: your ebuilds are on the top of my things to do list
[10:26] <dyn> so guess it'll make a better choice, right?
[10:26] <punkass> omg...an evil casino popup got by firefox!
[10:27] <smo> not sure, I haven't tried it.  I think I'd personally stick with releases if I didn't have a network to upgrade myself out of sticky situations
[10:27] <dyn> you got point smo
[10:27] <dyn> i'll dump that iso then and regrab from the .it mirrot
[10:27] <dyn> mirror, even
[10:27] <TongMaster> bob2, I want to spend all your money, at the gaybar, gaybar, gaybar
[10:27] <dyn> dang i need an other coffee
[10:27] <bob2> hahah
[10:29] <punkass> lol
[10:29] <punkass> bob2 can u tell me why i cant add an applet...
[10:30] <bob2> "cant add an applet"?
[10:30] <punkass> i pick it from the list and it Add then get an error msg
[10:31] <bob2> right
[10:31] <punkass> its not an official applet tho..
[10:31] <bob2> please let me guess, instead of telling me the error
[10:31] <jamesh> punkass: what does the error message say?
[10:31] <bob2> then complain to the applet author
[10:31] <punkass> lol just getting it
[10:31] <punkass> OAFIID:GNOME_NautilusMenu".
[10:31] <punkass> Details: Failed to resolve, or extend '!prefs_key=/apps/panel/profiles/default/applets/applet_15/prefs;background=none:;orient=up;size=small;locked_down=false
[10:31] <punkass> that comes up on a dialog box
[10:32] <jamesh> is that it?
[10:32] <punkass> but its in the list so i know its reading the server file ok
[10:32] <jamesh> it looks like it is missing a bit at the start.
[10:32] <punkass> The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_NautilusMenu".
[10:32] <punkass> Details: Failed to resolve, or extend '!prefs_key=/apps/panel/profiles/default/applets/applet_16/prefs;background=none:;orient=up;size=small;locked_down=false
[10:32] <punkass> Do you want to delete the applet from your configuration?
[10:33] <|trey|> punkass: what applet is it?
[10:33] <punkass> its called Natulius Menu
[10:33] <punkass> i guy wrote it for 2.6..not sure if there is something i have to change for 2.8
[10:34] <|trey|> punkass: did you look around on any forum or mailing list for simular problems... or search google for that string?
[10:34] <punkass> yeah i did
[10:34] <|trey|> punkass: its not in Ubuntu, thus is not supported  :/
[10:34] <punkass> google only game up with 8 or 10 things
[10:34] <jamesh> punkass: try the following
[10:34] <punkass> |trey| thanks.
[10:34] <jamesh> punkass: find the applet's executable name under /usr/libexec
[10:35] <jamesh> punkass: and run it in a terminal (it shouldn't print anything here)
[10:35] <jamesh> punkass: then use the add to panel dialog to add the applet to the panel
[10:35] <jamesh> if the panel applet prints any weird error messages or crashes, then it is probably the applet's problem.
[10:36] <punkass> nope just got the same error
[10:36] <jamesh> so nothing got printed at the terminal?
[10:37] <punkass> nope
[10:37] <punkass> just had to Ctrl-C it to stop it
[10:37] <punkass> but nothing printed
[10:38] <jamesh> punkass: well, I'm not sure what is wrong with it then
[10:38] <jamesh> punkass: I suggest contacting the author and asking them.
[10:38] <punkass> ok, well thanks for trying
[10:38] <punkass> i did..he said it works fine for him
[10:38] <punkass> on 2.6.1
[10:39] <punkass> its a pygtk applet...i am just trying to find a simple one that works to use as a starting point
[11:00] <Kinnison> Morning all
[11:08] <mkyc-ubuntu> morning..night here :)
[11:09] <smo> I'm not sure which to claim it is here .. 5am is 'getting there'
[11:12] <asam> here in the uk it is 10:12 in the morning, so good morning :)
[11:12] <asam> just installing ubuntu now
[11:12] <noteven> hi there.. can anyone tell me in what file x stores user session info? I changed the res when logged in for my main account which essentially killed my dispaly, and everytime I login for this user it resets it to this res
[11:12] <asam> its going through the update thingy
[11:13] <bob2> noteven: er, did you use xrandar or the gnome randr applet?
[11:14] <noteven> umm just the change resolution using the gnome bar at the top.. not sure of the right phrase sorry
[11:14] <smo> it appears to be in gconf .. /desktop/gnome/screen/default/0/ houses my res setting
[11:15] <bob2> that's the gnome xrandar applet
[11:15] <togs> any network gurus in tonight? :)
[11:15] <noteven> ok.. so whats the full path for that file smo
[11:16] <noteven> this in /home/?
[11:16] <bob2> it's not a file
[11:16] <bob2> it's in gconf.
[11:16] <bob2> use gconf-editor.
[11:16] <Evaso> hi guys is there a live ubuntu cd?
[11:16] <bob2> or just use the applet to change it back.
[11:16] <bob2> Evaso: yes, read the FAQ.
[11:16] <noteven> cant use applet.. my res is killed ;) GDM displays fine and thats it
[11:16] <Treenaks> bob2: if the resolution does not work, running (as the affected user..) gconftool2 -u /desktop/gnome/screen/default/0/ might work
[11:17] <bob2> I didn't get that he/she couldn't even login usefully
[11:17] <Treenaks> "changed the res when logged in for my main account which essentially killed my dispaly"
[11:17] <Evaso> bob2: is the same iso? i had founded only an iso
[11:17] <bob2> Evaso: nope.
[11:17] <bob2> Treenaks: thought he/she meant it was annoying, not unusable
[11:18] <Treenaks> ah ok
[11:18] <Treenaks> nm then
[11:18] <Evaso> what solution are u using for graphical boot: fbsplah?
[11:19] <thom> Evaso: we're not yet, we have plans for the next release
[11:19] <bob2> oh, google lies, my apologies.
[11:21] <Evaso> thom: here there is something very good and simple for introducing fbsplash (a bugfree rewriting of bootsplash )in a "debian like" system
[11:21] <Evaso> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d3c3it/html/articles/debian-splash-nonprint.htm
[11:22] <thom> Evaso: yeah, we're doing something like the red hat graphical boot - it's already about halfway done
[11:23] <Evaso> thom: imho redhat way is not a good solution
[11:23] <Evaso> thom: fbsplash is solid and will be patch in the upstream kernel from Spock
[11:24] <noteven> thanks guys! I was able to load a failsafe term from GDM and use gconf-editor as bob2 suggested to edit the res back
[11:24] <noteven> screen is now readable again :) manythanks
[11:24] <bob2> ah, cool
[11:24] <Evaso> you can also use an intramfs for loading modules and have a Graphical boot befor initrd
[11:25] <noteven> no need for this windows irc session now, time for a play
[11:25] <thom> Evaso: like, not using.
[11:26] <togs> is there any info on how to use an ubuntu box to share a net connection, like microsoft ICS?
[11:27] <bob2> install the "ipmasq" package.
[11:27] <togs> ipmasq, ok
[11:27] <Evaso> thom: so website on debian-desktop are working on porting fbsplash for debian using intramfs
[11:27] <Evaso> please doesn't reinvent the well
[11:28] <thom> Evaso: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog_2fusplash
[11:28] <daniels> Evaso: the stuff we're planning for hoary is far more extensive than stuff like fbsplash/bootsplash
[11:28] <Treenaks> daniels: 31337 in/out fades :)
[11:29] <Evaso> daniels: do u also plan an initrd rewriting (somthing like the old www.fastboot.org project?)
[11:30] <daniels> Evaso: i don't think we're planning one, no
[11:31] <Evaso> daniels: allowing a computer's services to start in parallel could be a faster boot solution
[11:31] <daniels> Evaso: parallelisation doesn't buy you quite as much as not waiting until your dns and mail servers are up to start gdm
[11:32] <Evaso> daniels: but waiting for dhcp
[11:33] <bob2> togs: fyi, /msg'ing people without an invitation is considered rude
[11:33] <bob2> togs: it's in universe.
[11:34] <togs> oky, thanks for heads up
[11:34] <PoW> I'm installing xorg for the first time, and I dont see an INSTALL doc anywhere. How would I begin the installation?
[11:34] <bob2> I believe synaptic lets you edit that file.
[11:34] <daniels> PoW: if you don't really need xorg, building it yourself isn't recommended
[11:35] <togs> how do you add the univerese repositry?
[11:35] <PoW> hmm alright
[11:35] <Evaso> what do u tink about support an option like "rpm -h" to dpkg?
[11:35] <bob2> Evaso: you'd need to explain what that does
[11:35] <bob2> togs: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:35] <togs> oky, thanks bob2
[11:35] <daniels> PoW: it's very easy to get it wrong and trash your entire X installation
[11:35] <bob2> someone should package it
[11:35] <Evaso> bob2:   -h, --hash
[11:35] <Evaso>               Print  50  hash  marks  as the package archive is unpacked.  Use
[11:35] <Evaso>               with -v|--verbose for a nicer display.
[11:35] <PoW> Alright, I understand
[11:36] <Evaso> bob2: could be use to implement a sort of progress bar for installing debian package with frontends like synaptic
[11:37] <togs> bob2, do i need ipmasqadm package?
[11:37] <bob2> togs: no
[11:37] <Treenaks> ipmasqadm is ancient, afaik.. iptables is The New Way
[11:38] <bob2> yeah
[11:38] <Treenaks> Ancient as in pre-1997
[11:38] <togs> so just ipmasq?
[11:38] <bob2> I'm surpsied it's even in warty, since it doesn't support 2.2 kernels
[11:38] <daniels> ipmasq(adm) was 2.0.x, ipchains was 2.2.x, iptables is 2.4.x
[11:38] <daniels> (well, iptables was also 2.3.x, and in theory, you can also administer it from other applications thanks to libiptc, but whatever)
[11:38] <bob2> ipmasq is also a package in debian that automagically sets up iptables/ipchains/ipmasq
[11:39] <bob2> hm, wasn't 2.0 ipfw?
[11:39] <thom> jblack: yeah, that's a silly one
[11:40] <smo> I believe ipfw is freebsd's ?
[11:41] <jblack> thom: Hey, I noticed you have two archives, a "normal" one, and a "laptop" one. I was wondering whether or not you considered keeping your archive on a usb flash fob? 
[11:42] <thom> jblack: i didn't have such a thing at the time
[11:42] <thom> it's an idea, though
[11:42] <togs> i've installed ipmasq, what happens now? i'm looking at the network dialog box, but don't really know what to do
[11:42] <togs> i've enabled the other interface
[11:43] <scaroo> scaroo : morning ppl, is there a way in gnome 2.8 to set keystrokes in emacs mode as it was possible in older versions ?
[11:47] <bob2> togs: nothing.
[11:47] <bob2> togs: it should have done evrything for you
[11:47] <Treenaks> scaroo: gconftool-2 -s /desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_key_theme Emacs
[11:48] <PoW> hmm
[11:48] <mkyc-ubuntu> how often are people running an apt-get update?  on average
[11:48] <PoW> when building wine, I get /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXext
[11:48] <scaroo> Treenaks, thank you dude !
[11:48] <mkyc-ubuntu> upgrade i mean not update
[11:48] <mkyc-ubuntu> bah
[11:48] <PoW> then it errors out after that
[11:48] <jblack> mkyc: I do every couple-three days
[11:48] <togs> once I enable the second interface in the network dialog, should be ok?
[11:49] <thom> mkyc-ubuntu: whenever i get bored
[11:49] <mkyc-ubuntu> thom : yeah a bit like that isnt it - last nights was 93 packages :)
[11:49] <mkyc-ubuntu> only 8mb tonight though
[11:50] <Mayday> 179 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded.
[11:50] <Mayday> :\ was a while since i upgraded it seems...
[11:50] <daniels> mkyc-ubuntu: usually sometime before I go to sleep, every couple of days
[11:50] <mkyc-ubuntu> it seems
[11:51] <mkyc-ubuntu> :)
[11:51] <mkyc-ubuntu> i used to do SID every week but ubuntu seems to be changing a lot nightly
[11:51] <thom> i have a local mirror, so it's respectably fast
[11:52] <mkyc-ubuntu> i get at least 53kb sec so its not bad
[11:52] <thom> but yeah, we're still working pretty fast
[11:52] <mkyc-ubuntu> would hate to do it on dialup :(
[11:52] <crimsun> PoW: that's in the libxext-dev package.
[11:52] <mkyc-ubuntu> thats a question - does anyone know if gtksee is in the universe?
[11:52] <PoW> ah thank you
[11:53] <crimsun> daniel@Strauss ~ $ apt-cache search gtksee
[11:53] <crimsun> gtksee - GTK-based clone of ACDSee (an image viewer)
[11:53] <mkyc-ubuntu> you are a scholar and a gentleman
[11:53] <mkyc-ubuntu> :)
[11:56] <asam> just finished installing ubuntu and fist impressions are good.looks and feels professional :)
[11:57] <crimsun> :)
[11:57] <togs> where in the world is the option for turning off spatial?
[11:58] <Mayday> ooh noo... not gonna tell, spatial is sweet :)
[11:58] <joem> in the nautilus prefs menu...
[11:58] <togs> please man, it's killing me :)
[11:58] <asam> no ftp client installed by default..or am i not looking in the right places?
[11:59] <Mayday> gftp i think was installed as default atleast for me
[11:59] <Mayday> Applications -> Internet
[11:59] <asam> no nothing here
[11:59] <bob2> togs: http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/133.html
[11:59] <bob2> togs: the very first hit on google for "disable spatial nautilus"
[12:00] <togs> lol, guess I should google first, sorry guys
[12:00] <Treenaks> asam: in a nautilus window -> connect to server
[12:00] <asam> hmm nautilus?
[12:01] <Treenaks> asam: nautilus = file browser
[12:03] <asam> cant find nautilus sorry
[12:03] <Treenaks> asam: nautilus is any directory window
[12:03] <Treenaks> asam: so just open "Disks" or "network" or something like that from the Computer menu
[12:04] <Treenaks> asam: then look in the "File" menu for "Connect to server..."
[12:04] <asam> ok sorry
[12:04] <Treenaks> asam: nevermind, it's not really that obvious if you don't know it
[12:04] <asam> thanks :)
[12:09] <pisuke> k3b cannot find my writer. known bug?
[12:13] <PoW> hmm
[12:13] <PoW> I keep getting /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lX11
[12:13] <PoW> When I attempt to compile wine >.>
[12:14] <daniels> apt-get install libx11-6-dev
[12:14] <daniels> why are you trying to compile wine? there are packages
[12:16] <PoW> o_o
[12:16] <PoW> There are?
[12:16] <PoW> lol
[12:16] <Treenaks> PoW: always check first before compiling :)
[12:16] <PoW> well
[12:16] <PoW> I did a search in synaptic
[12:17] <crimsun> $ apt-cache search wine
[12:17] <PoW> Nothing
[12:17] <crimsun> wine is in universe
[12:17] <Treenaks> PoW: add the universe source to your /etc/apt/sources.list (read the comments)
[12:18] <Mayday> why isnt the Games folder removed in the application menu when it is empty? seems stupid to keep it around when nothing in it
[12:18] <fabbione> hey guys
[12:18] <fabbione> who has a via video card and feel brave to do a test?
[12:18] <Treenaks> fabbione: I used to have one ;)
[12:18] <smo> when I removed gnome-games, that folder disappeared next time I logged in - not immediately
[12:18] <fabbione> Treenaks: you are not allowed to :P
[12:18] <Treenaks> fabbione: what's the problem? (I can probably test back home)
[12:19] <fabbione> Treenaks: new driver
[12:19] <Treenaks> fabbione: the unichrome/sourceforge one?
[12:19] <fabbione> Treenaks: yes
[12:19] <Treenaks> fabbione: cool! :)
[12:19] <PoW> (wartylog): Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[12:19] <fabbione> Treenaks: there have been a lot of rumors that XF86 driver sucks.. 
[12:19] <Treenaks> fabbione: can I try on plain debian, or do you really require ubuntu?
[12:19] <fabbione> Treenaks: so i am considering including the unichrome one
[12:20] <crimsun> PoW: just try again
[12:20] <fabbione> Treenaks: plain debian is more than fine
[12:20] <PoW> same
[12:20] <crimsun> PoW: those refresh every 30 minutes, so you may have caught it when it's being recreated.
[12:20] <PoW> hmm
[12:20] <fabbione> Treenaks: the source tree is the same, what changes really are the maintainer scripts for the autoconfig stuff
[12:20] <Treenaks> fabbione: ok, I'll try tonight as well -- if you tell me where I can find it :)
[12:20] <fabbione> Treenaks: but i kept the 2 source trees in sync as much as i could
[12:21] <fabbione> Treenaks: i will put it on people.ubuntulinux.org/~fabbione/
[12:21] <fabbione> Treenaks: or somewhere around there
[12:21] <Treenaks> fabbione: I read the unichrome/sourceforge list and from what I've seen it's a lot better
[12:21] <Treenaks> maybe DDC works now 8)
[12:21] <daniels> how the bloody hell do you break DDC?
[12:22] <Mayday> smo: ok, ill try
[12:22] <Treenaks> daniels: I don't know, but see debian bug #271993
[12:22] <PoW> hmm
[12:22] <fabbione> Treenaks: ehehe
[12:22] <PoW> still getting the same thing
[12:26] <fabbione> Treenaks: it's up now
[12:26] <fabbione> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~fabbione/via_drv.o
[12:28] <asam> Just want to say thanks guys for a great distro. only used it for about an hour but already feel right at home with it.
[12:28] <crimsun> :)
[12:29] <Treenaks> fabbione: TV-out mode doesn't seem to work, I can still try a bit harder though
[12:31] <Treenaks> fabbione: oh it works, but PAL resolution (720x576) is "not found"
[12:33] <fabbione> Treenaks: was that correct from the previous driver?
[12:33] <fabbione> Treenaks: other than the log, does it work exactly as you expected?
[12:33] <fabbione> (perhpas the log is bogus)
[12:46] <Treenaks> fabbione: I can't see the output now, but I guess it's OK
[12:46] <Treenaks> fabbione: DRI and DRM get initialized
[12:46] <Treenaks> and the tv-not-working is a modeline issue
[12:46] <fabbione> Treenaks: ok.. please check when you can and send me a mail
[12:47] <Treenaks> fabbione: ok
[12:47] <fabbione> Treenaks: i am testing the amd64 and ppc build as well
[12:47] <fabbione> that it builds on i386 isn't enough ;)
[12:47] <Treenaks> there are via's on ppcs?
[12:50] <pisuke> is there support for .ace files in fileroller?
[12:53] <pisuke> nm, just found unace
[12:57] <XtremeCooL> hello , ubuntu send us the free cd totally no charge at all ?
[12:58] <bob2> yup.
[12:58] <XtremeCooL> bob2 how about the transport fee ? and how much we order also can ?
[12:59] <bob2> XtremeCooL: no shipping fees.
[12:59] <bob2> XtremeCooL: how many do you want?
[12:59] <ba5e> hi there i have a quest ion, can anyone help
[12:59] <bob2> just ask your question
[01:00] <bob2> people will answer if they know
[01:00] <XtremeCooL> bob2 i have fill the form , when i can get it ? how they covered their cost ?
[01:00] <bob2> XtremeCooL: they're shipping some time after Warty releases in mid-october.
[01:00] <smeggy> theyre paying for it
[01:00] <bob2> XtremeCooL: Canonical is paying for the CDs and shipping.
[01:00] <smeggy> i think its basically to encourage people to try ubuntu
[01:01] <ba5e> how do i mount my fat32 drive in ubunto its on the first hard disk (hda) and its the 4th partition
[01:01] <XtremeCooL> anyone here using ubuntu now ?
[01:01] <crimsun> yep
[01:01] <smeggy> yep
[01:01] <XtremeCooL> when i can get the cd ?
[01:01] <smeggy> if you want it right now just download it
[01:02] <XtremeCooL> smeggy no way , i have slow connection
[01:02] <smeggy> otherwise order it for free and wait until sometime in mid october
[01:02] <XtremeCooL> mid october ?
[01:02] <ba5e> i downloaded it in 10 minutes! fast connection :)
[01:02] <crimsun> ba5e: /dev/hda4 or otherwise? check with ``cfdisk /dev/hda''
[01:02] <ba5e> thanks!!
[01:02] <XtremeCooL> ba5e wat ? 10min u can done 500mb ++ ?
[01:03] <ba5e> yeah in sweden we have fast connections
[01:03] <XtremeCooL> ba5e what urs connection speed?
[01:03] <ba5e> 10mBit is standard
[01:03] <smeggy> bastards ;)
[01:04] <XtremeCooL> ba5e omg!!!!! 10mb?
[01:04] <pitti> Hi sivang!
[01:04] <Mayday> that isnt true... since the biggest isp for personal use is Telia, and they do not deliver 10Mbit
[01:04] <sivang> hi pitti!
[01:04] <XtremeCooL> the fastest line can get here is 2mb only ...
[01:04] <sivang> 35 RC bugs to go ;)
[01:04] <XtremeCooL> what is the fastest line in the word?
[01:04] <XtremeCooL> world *
[01:05] <bob2> some universities have gigabits
[01:05] <bob2> backbones are in the tens of gigabits
[01:05] <ba5e> no, but bbb (bredbandsbolaget do through twisted pair direct to your home)
[01:05] <XtremeCooL> i have abit outdated ^.^
[01:06] <ba5e> telia do up to 8Mbit
[01:06] <XtremeCooL> in my brain the fastest connection only 2.4gig
[01:06] <ba5e> i have VDSL through www.bostream.se you can get up to 26Mbits!!!
[01:07] <XtremeCooL> ba5e how much it cost for your connection/
[01:07] <Mayday> internet speed record is 4.23 gigabit / sec
[01:07] <ba5e> its 400 crowns, thats about 33 UK pounds
[01:07] <Mayday> set by Sprint and the swedish university network
[01:07] <mkyc-ubuntu> does anyone know how to pipe password to sudo - ie for a shortcut or launcher?
[01:08] <ba5e> nice chatting ppl, laters!
[01:08] <mkyc-ubuntu> is there a switch for it
[01:08] <XtremeCooL> ba5e that cheap
[01:08] <pisuke> ba5e, uplink speed?
[01:08] <Mayday> ba5e: its possible to get 100Mbit with BBB
[01:08] <ba5e> its symmetirc :)
[01:08] <XtremeCooL> for my 512dl and 128up cost me 30USD
[01:09] <ba5e> yeah i know, but thats quite expensive hahaha
[01:09] <pisuke> 8)
[01:09] <smeggy> lol
[01:09] <ba5e> gotta go...l8ers
[01:09] <smeggy> you think 512dl is too slow to download ubuntu?
[01:09] <smeggy> wtf
[01:09] <zenwhen> im downloading it on dialup
[01:09] <XtremeCooL> smeggy my connection share with about 10 pc here
[01:09] <zenwhen> stop whining
[01:09] <zenwhen> XD
[01:09] <smeggy> i downloaded it on dialup yesterday
[01:10] <smeggy> only took overnight + a bit
[01:10] <zenwhen> I have really BAD dialup.
[01:10] <zenwhen> :(
[01:10] <smeggy> aww
[01:10] <XtremeCooL> but i better wait for free cd ^.^
[01:10] <smeggy> its not that bad living on dialup
[01:10] <zenwhen> nah
[01:10] <smeggy> i lived on dialup with gentoo for 3 months :D
[01:10] <XtremeCooL> but all of you here using ubuntu?
[01:10] <smeggy> i am XtremeCooL
[01:11] <zenwhen> Slack ha made being on dialup pretty easy. Hopefully ubuntu will be similar.
[01:11] <zenwhen> has*
[01:11] <mkyc-ubuntu> ubuntu here
[01:11] <XtremeCooL> smeggy compare ubuntu with other distro ubuntu really nice ?
[01:11] <smeggy> XtremeCooL, definately.
[01:11] <zenwhen> Slackware 10 here until I finsih downloading Ubuntu or the disk gets here, whichever comes first.
[01:11] <smeggy> probably the best distro, out of the box, i've ever used
[01:12] <smeggy> I formerly used Slackware and Gentoo.
[01:12] <zenwhen> Ubuntu will have to be pretty amazing to switch me from Slack.
[01:12] <zenwhen> But I have an open mind about it.
[01:12] <smeggy> it switched me ;)
[01:12] <XtremeCooL> lol .... really ? i think really wanna use ubuntu
[01:13] <XtremeCooL> but i new to linux ^.^
[01:13] <smeggy> you'll be right
[01:13] <zenwhen> XtremeCooL, its a nice distro for newbies, or so I have heards.
[01:13] <zenwhen> heard*
[01:13] <smeggy> if you're willing to learn and don't expect it to be windows, you'll enjoy it and learn
[01:13] <mkyc-ubuntu> its a great distro for newbies
[01:13] <XtremeCooL> zenwhen really ?
[01:13] <jono> hi all
[01:13] <XtremeCooL> wow then i have to try
[01:13] <zenwhen> Yeah, it has a nice installer, and does most of the work for you.
[01:14] <mkyc-ubuntu> once you use apt-get you wont look back
[01:14] <smeggy> It's great for newbies IMO.  Great for "power users" too really.
[01:14] <zenwhen> You may havr ot get down and diry in a coupe of config files, but thats why this channel is here.
[01:14] <mkyc-ubuntu> its the greatest
[01:14] <zenwhen> have*
[01:14] <XtremeCooL> hehehe ......... so many ppl like ubuntu here
[01:14] <XtremeCooL> i may try
[01:14] <XtremeCooL> hehehe
[01:14] <XtremeCooL> i have fedora core 2 here
[01:14] <crimsun> i blew away a FC2 install last night and replaced it with Ubuntu in 8 minutes.
[01:15] <smo> mkyc-ubuntu, piping passwords is A Very Bad Thing .. the password will end up on ps's process list.  A better alternative is to change /etc/sudoers to add the NOPASSWD flag to the needed commands
[01:15] <smeggy> I'm not keen on Fedora/Redhat
[01:15] <smeggy> But then again, I haven't tried it since FC1.
[01:15] <zenwhen> Fedora Core 2 was a VERY nice distro.
[01:15] <smo> ie .. "username  ALL=NOPASSWD:  /path/to/command"   will let "sudo command" work without a password, without changing the behaviour for other commands
[01:15] <XtremeCooL> but in fedora core 2 it make easy ,
[01:15] <zenwhen> It takes away too much control though, and is very heavy.
[01:16] <XtremeCooL> then how do i set dual boot ?
[01:16] <smeggy> slackware + swaret was OS heaven :P
[01:16] <smeggy> but now i think Ubuntu is just as good
[01:16] <mkyc-ubuntu> ta smo
[01:16] <crimsun> they're all good distros.
[01:17] <zenwhen> swaret isnt all that. Its never resolved a dependency for me. Now apt... I'll be loving that.
[01:17] <crimsun> i just happen to feel most comfortable with Debian-based ones.
[01:17] <mkyc-ubuntu> re fedora core 1 and 2 i have found both of them to have atg times questionable hardware detection
[01:17] <smeggy> i just loved swaret heh
[01:17] <mkyc-ubuntu> and they dont have apt-get either 
[01:17] <mkyc-ubuntu> RPM's suck compared to apt
[01:17] <smeggy> they can have apt-get
[01:17] <XtremeCooL> ubuntu using RPM?
[01:17] <mkyc-ubuntu> yes but not natively
[01:17] <smeggy> no XtremeCooL, ubuntu using debs
[01:17] <crimsun> XtremeCooL: ubuntu is Debian-based, so it uses debs.
[01:18] <mkyc-ubuntu> apt for fedora isnt out of the box.
[01:18] <crimsun> FC2 has yum out of the box.
[01:18] <crimsun> yum is fairly nice, too.
[01:18] <zenwhen> I used a deb one time and got herpes. Worst hookeer ever.
[01:18] <XtremeCooL> hehehe what is yum ?
[01:19] <zenwhen> apt-get for Fagdora.
[01:19] <smeggy> yum is a package manager like apt
[01:19] <zenwhen> oops fedora
[01:19] <crimsun> it's yellowdog's manager.
[01:19] <XtremeCooL> i totally new , i usually using rpm
[01:19] <smo> I found the main difference between apt & rpm, wasn't the tools themselves.  it was simply debian having everything I'd ever need, in one cohesive repositories - rather than multiple repos from different people, that might not always be in sync with eachother
[01:19] <mkyc-ubuntu> i have never had a missing dependency on apt whereas i have with RPM's
[01:19] <mkyc-ubuntu> maybe thats just me
[01:20] <XtremeCooL> i hope ubuntu really easy to learn
[01:20] <XtremeCooL> wait for the cd
[01:20] <smeggy> rpms are hell with a decent manager
[01:20] <smeggy> *without
[01:20] <crimsun> XtremeCooL: it's quite straight-forward
[01:21] <bob2> Debian's biggest advantage is Policy, not dpkg or apt.
[01:21] <bob2> ubuntu has that too.
[01:21] <smo> I guess that adds the "cohesive" .. thousands of packages that actually work together
[01:22] <mkyc-ubuntu> i think the key to it is the dedication of the package management teams is what makes it so good
[01:22] <jblack> Hey, does ubuntu know how to do encrypted root filesystems? 
[01:23] <XtremeCooL> never mind , always come here for helping ^.^
[01:25] <zenwhen> I swear to god Ubuntu has better not install grub without asking me.
[01:25] <zenwhen> had*
[01:25] <mkyc-ubuntu> it does
[01:25] <smeggy> it .. yes
[01:25] <smeggy> :p
[01:25] <mkyc-ubuntu> from memory grub is default
[01:25] <zenwhen> Then I wont be instlaling it.
[01:25] <zenwhen> If it installs a boot loader without asking.
[01:25] <zenwhen> Thats retarded.
[01:26] <mkyc-ubuntu> it is not
[01:26] <smeggy> you may be able to stop it with the "Expert" setup
[01:26] <smeggy> i didnt try that though
[01:26] <bob2> zenwhen: right ,making your system usable is a bad default
[01:26] <mkyc-ubuntu> its designed for people to be able to install without having to know all about boot loaders
[01:26] <zenwhen> Yes, it is. I am instlaling it to try it, not switch to it.
[01:26] <zenwhen> I want control over the setup process.
[01:26] <zenwhen> Im not a kid.
[01:26] <mkyc-ubuntu> expert has the ability to do that
[01:26] <zenwhen> ok
[01:26] <bob2> zenwhen: then use the expert install option
[01:27] <zenwhen> Then Ill do that.
[01:27] <bob2> you not reading the manual is not a reason for the defaults to change
[01:27] <zenwhen> I thought you were saying I didnt have a choice.
[01:27] <mkyc-ubuntu> zenwhen, i understand but the reality is most beginners and newbies do not understand a boot loader
[01:27] <zenwhen> bob2, what are you talking about?
[01:27] <mkyc-ubuntu> and thus the normal mode means they dont need to, expert allows control
[01:27] <zenwhen> I always read tha manueal, as I dont want things decide for me.
[01:27] <zenwhen> decided*
[01:27] <bob2> zenwhen: then you'd know about the expert mode.
[01:27] <mkyc-ubuntu> reading the manual is a good idea :)
[01:35] <XtremeCooL> ubuntu installation for GUI?
[01:35] <bob2> ubuntu installs a GUI, yes.
[01:35] <mkyc-ubuntu> gnome 2.8
[01:35] <zenwhen> Gnome 2.8.
[01:35] <mkyc-ubuntu> :)
[01:36] <zenwhen> There really isnt a better GUI out there.
[01:36] <zenwhen> KDE is laughable.
[01:37] <mkyc-ubuntu> KDE is painfully over complex and slow
[01:37] <mojo> Xig CDE is the best for workstation
[01:37] <XtremeCooL> i mean when install just follow the step like install windows?
[01:37] <mkyc-ubuntu> yes XtremeCooL
[01:37] <mkyc-ubuntu> pretty much
[01:37] <mkyc-ubuntu> unless you are like zenwhen and have other needs its that simple
[01:37] <mojo> CDE is simple, super fast, secure and stable and the most important is certified to run all pro unix program
[01:38] <XtremeCooL> mkyc-ubuntu when install ubuntu , does it ask us wanna dual boot or not ?
[01:38] <zenwhen> Yeah, since you dont have a perfectly working lilo install, you dont need to worry.
[01:38] <mojo> CDE is 10 times lighter than GNOME and KDE, it runs 10 times faster (b/c Motif does not take resourses much)
[01:38] <smeggy> its also dead ugly ;)
[01:38] <bob2> also CDE is fucking ugly
[01:38] <mojo> true, CDE is ugly
[01:38] <bob2> and horrible to use
[01:38] <zenwhen> I dont need a light DE. 
[01:38] <Mithrandir> mojo: if you have a decent computer, gnome and kde are both fast enough.
[01:39] <mojo> but if u want a WM for critical task
[01:39] <mojo> like military program
[01:39] <zenwhen> I dindt pay for high end hardware to run a stripped down ugly DE
[01:39] <mojo> or huge oil anal program
[01:39] <mojo> which u go for?
[01:39] <zenwhen> didnt*
[01:39] <mojo> heavy GNOME or CDE?
[01:39] <bob2> not CDE
[01:39] <bob2> twm.
[01:39] <mojo> what!
[01:39] <mojo> twm!!!
[01:39] <mojo> lol!
[01:39] <mojo> man...
[01:39] <Mithrandir> bob2: wms are for weenies anyhow
[01:39] <mojo> twm is too simple too simple
[01:39] <mkyc-ubuntu> i like blackbox/fluxbox myself
[01:40] <daniels> ehm, could we please conduct desktop environment/window manager/x vs console wars in #offtopic?
[01:40] <bob2> twm is far less shit than mwm.
[01:40] <zenwhen> Gnome 2.8 is a nice well thought out DE. 
[01:40] <mkyc-ubuntu> its what i use on my SID box
[01:40] <bob2> hah
[01:40] <mojo> hey
[01:40] <mojo> I heard
[01:40] <zenwhen> daniels, what else were we talking about?
[01:40] <mojo> there is a RedHat CDE in the past rite?
[01:40] <mojo> something
[01:40] <mojo> TriLeaft CDE
[01:41] <mojo> or TriPink CDE something Tri---- CDE
[01:41] <daniels> zenwhen: all those wars are notoriously unconstructive. they don't get anywhere, they're pointless, and you won't convince anyone.
[01:41] <mojo> yes daniels
[01:41] <mojo> war is pointless
[01:41] <mojo> Bush lied
[01:41] <mkyc-ubuntu> true but we were not really having a war
[01:41] <mojo> John Howard lie
[01:41] <mkyc-ubuntu> just a chat
[01:41] <bob2> that's even more off-topic
[01:41] <mkyc-ubuntu> :)
[01:41] <mojo> Tony Blair lied
[01:41] <zenwhen> daniels, people like to defend their DE of choice. I was just being right and advocating Gnome 2.8. XD
[01:41] <smeggy> go chat about this stuff in #politics guys
[01:41] <daniels> mojo: dude, #politics
[01:42] <mkyc-ubuntu> god yes, no politics in here
[01:42] <zenwhen> yeah
[01:42] <mkyc-ubuntu> with an election this weekend in AU im sick to the guts of it all
[01:42] <daniels> please -- no more politics, de/wm/console wars, any of that stuff in here.  anyone got anything relevant to ubuntu?
[01:42] <mkyc-ubuntu> next weekend i mean
[01:42] <zenwhen> politics in a linux channel is a badddd idea
[01:42] <smeggy> yeah
[01:42] <daniels> mkyc-ubuntu: (yes, I know, I have to deal with it also, but #Politics!)
[01:42] <smeggy> so is religion.. i mean those vim vs. emacs arguments can get pretty bad ;)
[01:43] <Treenaks> smeggy: nano!
[01:43] <zenwhen> nano
[01:43] <XtremeCooL> ubuntu basic are the same with other distro?
[01:43] <mkyc-ubuntu> there have to be 2 things i cant stand, politics and mindless MS/chosen distro/gui disucssions
[01:43] <mkyc-ubuntu> rofl @ nano
[01:43] <mkyc-ubuntu> :P
[01:43] <smeggy> :D
[01:44] <smeggy> i'm pretty editor/DE/distro/religion/politics agnostic
[01:44] <smeggy> really
[01:44] <mkyc-ubuntu> im the same smeggy
[01:44] <afonit> hey guys, if there is anyone else that likes keyboardshortcuts, I have a question, I don't like to have the menu on my bar, but to bring it up with a keyboard shortcut, in ubuntu, they split up the menu into "applications and Computer" so when you set the shortcut menu for "show the panel menu" it only pulls up the applications and not the computer
[01:44] <afonit> anyone know how to keyboard shortcut to the computer menu part of applications
[01:45] <Se7h> Away: ( @School ) | Since: ( Fri Oct  1 12:45:26 2004 ) Xlack v1.8-pre2.
[01:45] <smeggy> there!
[01:45] <smeggy> my desktop is now perfect
[01:46] <Mithrandir> Se7h: please, turn off public away and please, no colors.
[01:46] <XtremeCooL> smeggy how can u say ur desktop now is perfect?
[01:46] <XtremeCooL> show me
[01:46] <mkyc-ubuntu> frankly discussios on things like windows vs linux leave me bored..
[01:46] <smeggy> lol
[01:46] <smeggy> perfect for me ;)
[01:46] <mkyc-ubuntu> screenshot :)
[01:46] <daniels> (so do meta-discussions of windows vs linux)
[01:46] <smeggy> okay okay lol
[01:46] <XtremeCooL> show us smeggy
[01:47] <XtremeCooL> need prove
[01:47] <mkyc-ubuntu> daniels, the major reason why i dont read slashdot anymore is that one :)
[01:47] <smeggy> http://www.tbmn.net/ubuntu/
[01:47] <smeggy> there you go
[01:47] <mkyc-ubuntu> yeah screenshots of desktops.. will help the newbies :)
[01:47] <afonit> do you guys know how to get the 'desktop preferences and system configuration" menu's to come up with a desktop shorcut?
[01:47] <smeggy> afonit, no, but i wish i did
[01:48] <afonit> ya, that is my ONLY complaint
[01:48] <afonit> since installing ubuntu
[01:48] <XtremeCooL> mkyc-ubuntu why u say screenshots of desktop will help newbiez ?
[01:48] <smeggy> because they can see how much prettier a linux de is than windows ;)
[01:49] <moyogo> mkyc-ubuntu: open preferences:// in nautilus
[01:49] <XtremeCooL> i using windows now , i feel linux suk if i'm a gamer ? hehehe
[01:49] <moyogo> mkyc-ubuntu: sorry i mean afonit
[01:49] <mkyc-ubuntu> no worries
[01:50] <afonit> k, did that
[01:50] <smeggy> can anyone recommend a good gnome icon set?
[01:50] <moyogo> afonit: you can make a shortcut/link/launcher to preferences://
[01:50] <afonit> so how can I move that preferences to the applications menu?
[01:50] <afonit> oh
[01:50] <Zomb-> who is the strategical chief in Canonical Ltd.? Whom to ask about their/your ideas about release sceduling WRT Debian's release schedule?
[01:51] <mkyc-ubuntu> XtremeCooL, because it does help new users to see how it looks i find
[01:51] <Zomb-> Mithrandir: any hint?
[01:51] <moyogo> afonit: you can add stuff to the Applications menu by opening applications://
[01:51] <daniels> Zomb-: canonical's strategic chief is Mark Shuttleworth, the release manager is Jeff Waugh
[01:51] <XtremeCooL> mkyc-ubuntu , i'm new user too , but i like windows interface
[01:52] <Zomb-> daniels: thanks
[01:52] <daniels> Zomb-: no worries
[01:52] <smeggy> mark seems like a pretty cool guy
[01:52] <Mithrandir> Zomb-: what daniels says; jdub, sabdfl would be good people to talk to.
[01:52] <mkyc-ubuntu> this is my boring screenshot : http://www.monkeyc.net/images/Screenshot-2.png
[01:53] <XtremeCooL> omg ? u guy have own webserver?
[01:54] <Treenaks> XtremeCooL: what's strange about that?
[01:54] <mkyc-ubuntu> ? 
[01:54] <bagpuss_> XtremeCooL: doesn't everyone?
[01:54] <mkyc-ubuntu> yeah well i host my domain on a server
[01:54] <mkyc-ubuntu> my ISP doesnt allow webservers
[01:54] <HcE> mkyc-ubuntu: put it up on a different port?
[01:54] <bagpuss_> my ISP allows it, but my upstream bandwidth is limited here, so I have a colo
[01:54] <XtremeCooL> ^.^ i dont have a webserver , i dont know how to make but i want
[01:54] <Treenaks> mkyc-ubuntu: I just bought a server and put it in a colocation centre for EUR 20/month
[01:55] <bagpuss_> XtremeCooL: buy hosting from someone.  (I sell hosting</shameless pimp))
[01:55] <XtremeCooL> how to make host own webserver with own domain name ?
[01:55] <mkyc-ubuntu> HcE, i could but its only costing me $50Au a year to host it where it is
[01:55] <mkyc-ubuntu> lol @ shameless pimping
[01:55] <XtremeCooL> no money to buy i make own
[01:55] <XtremeCooL> better
[01:55] <XtremeCooL> ^.^
[01:55] <XtremeCooL> can learning too
[01:55] <bagpuss_> XtremeCooL: buy a domain name and setup a webserver/buy hosting
[01:55] <mkyc-ubuntu> domain names are damn cheap
[01:56] <mkyc-ubuntu> and hosting can be had from $20US a year for a good host with decent speeds
[01:56] <XtremeCooL> i want buy a domain name and host in my own pc
[01:56] <mkyc-ubuntu> or cheaper for a bad one :P
[01:56] <XtremeCooL> can i ? cause i cant afford cause my income too low
[01:56] <mkyc-ubuntu> you can do that as well
[01:56] <bagpuss_> XtremeCooL: that's not true.  You get neither a good host *or* decent speed for that kind of money
[01:56] <Treenaks> mkyc-ubuntu: $20/year -- but do you get to put your own server in an airconditioned server-room for that? :)
[01:57] <XtremeCooL> bagpuss_ to host a personal website it i think 512dl and 128up is enuff
[01:57] <bagpuss_> you get cheap hosting which is "good enough" for low traffic for that
[01:57] <bagpuss_> XtremeCooL: yes, it is.  You have a static IP?
[01:57] <Treenaks> I have 100mbit link, with 20gbyte/month max. traffic, for those 20 euros/month
[01:58] <bagpuss_> Treenaks: I have 100mbit/250G/mo traffic and a server (I rent it rather than own) for E95/mo. It's not the cheapest, but I like it :0
[01:58] <XtremeCooL> bagpuss_ i dont have , but over net there got alot free dns for us to use
[01:58] <XtremeCooL> bagpuss_ so i dont need statics ip
[01:58] <bagpuss_> XtremeCooL: there are dyndns type things, yes.
[01:59] <smeggy> hmm i wish ubuntu had a newer version of xchat in their repo 
[01:59] <Treenaks> bagpuss_: I own my own server (1u).. I can get 100G for EUR 50/month
[01:59] <XtremeCooL> www.no-ip.com hehe
[01:59] <bagpuss_> Treenaks: nice
[01:59] <Treenaks> bagpuss_: www.transip.nl
[01:59] <thom> i pay 60GBP/quarter to be one hop from LINX ;-) 
[02:00] <XtremeCooL> but i dont know how to setup
[02:00] <XtremeCooL> have to learn
[02:00] <XtremeCooL> sad
[02:00] <bagpuss_> Treenaks: I'm sure it's lovely, but I don't speak Foreign, sorry
[02:00] <bagpuss_> XtremeCooL: it's really not that hard.  Install apache.  Setup DNS to point at you.  
[02:00] <Treenaks> bagpuss_: oh they don't send out an English page base don Accept-Language? weirdness
[02:01] <kamme> Question, does ubuntu have laptop support? I don't want to download 500Megs and find out apm isn't supported ;)
[02:01] <XtremeCooL> bagpuss_ i'll try ...
[02:01] <smeggy> yes kame
[02:01] <smeggy> *kamme
[02:01] <Treenaks> kamme: apm and acpi are supported
[02:01] <kamme> ok, thanks :)
[02:01] <smeggy> is there any way to enable highmem support without rolling my own kernel?
[02:01] <XtremeCooL> smeggy u have bought ur own domain?
[02:02] <smeggy> XtremeCooL, I run a webhost :P
[02:02] <thom> smeggy: the 686 and k7 kernels have highmem
[02:02] <smeggy> heh
[02:02] <smeggy> okay
[02:03] <thom> (and the 686/k7-smp kernels, naturally)
[02:04] <XtremeCooL> smeggy u setup ur own ? u have statis ip?
[02:04] <smeggy> ok forgive me if this is stupid question, 686 work on Athlon XP?
[02:04] <smeggy> XtremeCooL, no, I just rent a bunch of servers.
[02:04] <thom> smeggy: that's k7
[02:04] <smeggy> hrm
[02:04] <smeggy> oh yeah
[02:04] <thom> smeggy: but yes, it should work anyway
[02:04] <smeggy> i was thinking that it was k6
[02:04] <smeggy> i too tired 
[02:04] <XtremeCooL> lol smeggy why dont make ur self?
[02:04] <smeggy> thanks mate
[02:04] <thom> np
[02:04] <bagpuss_> XtremeCooL:why don't you go to: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/ and start reading?
[02:05] <XtremeCooL> bagpuss_ i not on linux now
[02:05] <XtremeCooL> i'm a gamer too ^.^
[02:05] <bagpuss_> XtremeCooL: it's a website, you can read it from windows
[02:05] <bagpuss_> it even works in Internet Explorer
[02:06] <smeggy> you can't really say anything works in IE ;)
[02:06] <bagpuss_> smeggy: hehe
[02:06] <mkyc-ubuntu> lol was waiting for that
[02:06] <bagpuss_> it works well enough in IE
[02:06] <mkyc-ubuntu> i use firefox on pc's
[02:06] <bagpuss_> it works in forefox too
[02:06] <bagpuss_> firefox even
[02:06] <smeggy> hell, it even works in links
[02:06] <smeggy> or lynx
[02:06] <XtremeCooL> lynx good ?
[02:06] <thom> w3m better
[02:06] <XtremeCooL> firefox is the best for me
[02:06] <mkyc-ubuntu> lynx !
[02:07] <mkyc-ubuntu> i havent used lynx in years
[02:07] <thom> w3m-img best
[02:07] <smeggy> I think you need to do some reading about the world of alternative software XtremeCooL...
[02:07] <thom> (but very, very sick)
[02:07] <XtremeCooL> smeggy what ???? hehehe
[02:07] <bagpuss_> XtremeCooL: it works in $BROWSER.  It's completely agnostic.  You could probably read it using netcat if you had a mind to!  You *do* need to read it though
[02:08] <smeggy> use curl to get it
[02:08] <smeggy> and read it in vim
[02:08] <smeggy> just read it
[02:08] <smeggy> :P
[02:08] <XtremeCooL> ^.^ my english very poor
[02:08] <bagpuss_> either that or you need to abandon the idea of running your own webserver and buy hosting (preferably from me, but that's optional)
[02:08] <smeggy> or me
[02:08] <XtremeCooL> hehehe
[02:08] <smeggy> ;)
[02:08] <XtremeCooL> for me make own
[02:08] <zenwhen> or him
[02:09] <XtremeCooL> never give up
[02:09] <smeggy> never surrender
[02:09] <mkyc-ubuntu> urggh this doco is good but really.. film of a river of sewage ?
[02:09] <zenwhen> never eat before you swim
[02:09] <smeggy> ok
[02:09] <smeggy> bai all
[02:09] <XtremeCooL> but if i fight at the end still cant get it , i'll kill my self
[02:09] <XtremeCooL> hehe
[02:09] <smeggy> i need some sleep
[02:09] <ds2horner> I'm a first timer - trying to configure synaptic to use debian test -  any suggestions
[02:09] <XtremeCooL> hehehehe
[02:09] <bagpuss_> XtremeCooL: start reading
[02:09] <zenwhen> oh linux kils you if you mess up, so you wont have to
[02:10] <Treenaks> ds2horner: you want universe, not debian testing
[02:10] <XtremeCooL> bagpuss_ i'll try ...
[02:10] <XtremeCooL> i just try
[02:10] <smeggy[zZz] > no
[02:10] <bagpuss_> there is no try
[02:10] <smeggy[zZz] > linux wouldnt do anything so wasteful as to kill you
[02:10] <ds2horner> univers bittorent doesn't work
[02:10] <bagpuss_> there is do, and there is not do...there is no try
[02:10] <smeggy[zZz] > it recycles you
[02:10] <smeggy[zZz] > soylent green mmm
[02:10] <ds2horner> test has a improved 
[02:10] <XtremeCooL> ^.^
[02:11] <ds2horner> debian test has an improved bittorrent (and rosegarden)
[02:12] <ds2horner> by the way - thanks for being here
[02:12] <thom> ds2horner: use bittornado, universe has the very latest
[02:12] <mkyc-ubuntu> XtremeCooL, just go with linux and try it with an open mind, you wont be dissapointed
[02:12] <ds2horner> OK thanks thorn
[02:12] <mkyc-ubuntu> be prepared to learn and ask questions and you will have no problems, there are always people willing to help
[02:12] <thom> i wish people would use non-sucky fonts :-)
[02:13] <XtremeCooL> mkyc-ubuntu i know that, cause some of my friend starting swtich to linux
[02:13] <mkyc-ubuntu> personally i use both windows and linux here
[02:14] <XtremeCooL> i use linux and window here too
[02:14] <mkyc-ubuntu> mind you i get paid to work on windows ..
[02:14] <XtremeCooL> windows for gaming
[02:14] <XtremeCooL> mkyc-ubuntu what u work as?
[02:14] <mkyc-ubuntu> network admin
[02:14] <XtremeCooL> oh... mkyc-ubuntu where u from?
[02:15] <mkyc-ubuntu> lol this is like ASL :)
[02:15] <XtremeCooL> mkyc-ubuntu what u mean this like ASL?
[02:15] <mkyc-ubuntu> ahh new to irc?
[02:16] <mkyc-ubuntu> ASL is the old IRC standby - stands for Age Sex Location - its the first thing most newbies ask in IRC chatrooms
[02:16] <bagpuss_> don't go asking it though
[02:16] <mkyc-ubuntu> i advise against it, many ops dislike
[02:16] <bagpuss_> it will get you kicked out of many - less forgiving - technical channels
[02:16] <mkyc-ubuntu> i tend to kick on principle on channels im op in :)
[02:17] <XtremeCooL> hehehe mkyc-ubuntu i not new to irc , but i seldom asking ppl ASL
[02:17] <XtremeCooL> no ops here?
[02:17] <mkyc-ubuntu> dunno
[02:18] <mkyc-ubuntu> bloody hot here for spring
[02:18] <thom> there are ops, yes. they're not opped tho
[02:18] <bagpuss_> mkyc-ubuntu: me too
[02:18] <mkyc-ubuntu> 10pm and still 24 degrees... another QLD summer coming i fear
[02:19] <Treenaks> mkyc-ubuntu: you.. you.. southern-hemispherian! :)
[02:19] <mkyc-ubuntu> lol
[02:19] <thom> mkyc-ubuntu: we can swap if you want... 13:20 and 15C here ;-)
[02:19] <mkyc-ubuntu> lol
[02:19] <XtremeCooL> m... no ops is good
[02:19] <XtremeCooL> cause i hate those ops kick ppl
[02:19] <mkyc-ubuntu> we get summers with temps of 40c and 90% humidity here
[02:19] <XtremeCooL> ^.6
[02:20] <mkyc-ubuntu> i think id prefer the 15c :)
[02:20] <XtremeCooL> hehehe me 10
[02:20] <XtremeCooL> but over here wont get 10
[02:21] <mkyc-ubuntu> where are you XtremeCooL?
[02:22] <thom> mkyc-ubuntu: yeah, i was in cairns in december a few years back
[02:22] <thom> far too humid
[02:22] <mkyc-ubuntu> nice aint it
[02:22] <mkyc-ubuntu> :(
[02:22] <XtremeCooL> mkyc-ubuntu malaysia gegege
[02:22] <thom> and you can't even go swimming (in the sea, anyway)
[02:22] <mkyc-ubuntu> nope
[02:22] <mkyc-ubuntu> box jellyfish
[02:23] <thom> yeah. silly place :-)
[02:23] <mkyc-ubuntu> we all have pools here, 2 air cons in the house
[02:23] <mkyc-ubuntu> i own 2 jackets and 1 jumper :)
[02:23] <mkyc-ubuntu> and never wear them, winter here is 10c
[02:23] <mkyc-ubuntu> on a cold day
[02:24] <mkyc-ubuntu> mind you in melb it gets below 0
[02:24] <XtremeCooL> hehehe anyone can go about 60c pool?
[02:29] <ds2horner> thorn: thanks bittornado is working
[02:30] <XtremeCooL> ds2horner : azureus better then bit tornado
[02:31] <thom> ds2horner: dude. 't''h''o''m'
[02:31] <ds2horner> any suggestions on how to configure synaptic to use debian test - I hope to get revised rosegarder4
[02:31] <thom> ds2horner: we strongly recommend you don't
[02:31] <mkyc-ubuntu> its not a good idea
[02:31] <thom> if you need an updated package, file a trivial bug and we may be able to get the new version into universe for you
[02:32] <ds2horner> XtremeCooL: is azureus in universe?
[02:33] <mkyc-ubuntu> does not appear to be
[02:33] <XtremeCooL> ds2horner , i just know azureus better than bit torando alot , but u need install java 1st
[02:33] <bob2> azureus isn't in Debian, either
[02:33] <bob2> since it needs a non-free jdk
[02:33] <mkyc-ubuntu> but bittornado works well for me id advise staying with it
[02:33] <bob2> er, jre.
[02:33] <mkyc-ubuntu> urk 
[02:34] <XtremeCooL> mkyc-ubuntu i using azureus , it working fine too ,
[02:34] <ds2horner> I'm willing to have things break - I've installed UBUNTU specifically to get rosegarden4 going
[02:34] <XtremeCooL> hehehe never mind , ds2horner ur own choose
[02:35] <mkyc-ubuntu> XtremeCooL, yes but the non free java means it wont get into some distros including debain and ubuntu
[02:35] <XtremeCooL> debian cant install java?
[02:35] <ds2horner> thom :hoe do I go about asking for rosegarden4 9.9?
[02:36] <jordi> XtremeCooL: it's non-free
[02:36] <thom> ds2horner: you file a bug in bugzilla (see topic) as an enhancement and request it
[02:37] <ds2horner> thom: thanks
[02:49] <hkcc2> anyone here able to print to a windows printer on their network?
[02:50] <topyli> hkcc2: dunno, i have the opposite problem. i've been trying to get the win box to print to my samba printer :)
[02:50] <topyli> used to work with unstable :\
[02:51] <hkcc2> topyli: i got that direction working in the past too
[02:51] <topyli> i wonder what can be different between debian samba and ubuntu samba
[02:52] <hkcc2> i hope its not a bug
[02:52] <topyli> i'd love to hear it's my own fault :)
[02:52] <Sam0r> arg
[02:53] <Sam0r> can someone seriously help me
[02:53] <hkcc2> Sam0r: what's the prob
[02:53] <Sam0r> ive downloaded ubuntu, and installed it etc, but when i login to gnome, it just sits at the loading screen
[02:53] <rsilva> I am trying to file a bug report. Does anyone know what is the component resposible for adding the keyboard section to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4?
[02:54] <plovs> Sam0r, go to console, login kill bonobo and it will work
[02:54] <Sam0r> i cant do fsck because i cant login to the root account because i couldnt find out how to set a password
[02:54] <Sam0r> ah ok *hopes he doesnt need to be root*
[02:54] <plovs> Sam0r, you do not need to be root
[02:54] <topyli> Sam0r: use sudo
[02:54] <Sam0r> cheers
[02:54] <rsilva> Sam0r: To access root previlegies use "sudo"
[02:54] <Sam0r> yeah sudo doesnt work either:S
[02:54] <Treenaks> for sudo, use your own password
[02:55] <plovs> Sam0r, can you log in on the console as yourself?
[02:55] <Sam0r> yeah i can
[02:55] <rsilva> Sam0r: And you must be the first user created on the system.
[02:55] <Sam0r> yeah i am
[02:55] <plovs> then type ps ax | grep onobo
[02:55] <plovs> bonobo
[02:55] <Treenaks> you can killall bonobo stuff with bonobo-slay
[02:55] <jayeola> i've just got ubuntu installed on another system.... it looks nice!
[02:56] <plovs> Treenaks, just as long as it dies :)
[02:56] <jayeola> very simple gui menu, but what's with the sudo thing? why can't i just 'su'? 
[02:56] <Sam0r> yeah i think u shud be able to su
[02:56] <Treenaks> jayeola: read the FAQ
[02:57] <Sam0r> i see why its disabled though
[02:57] <Treenaks> Sam0r: why? you can sudo.. you can do everything you need to do..
[02:57] <rsilva> jayeloa: They want to encourage you not to become root permanently.
[02:57] <jayeola> aha - heh! will do
[02:57] <rsilva> jayeloa: You can sudo -s to get a root shell though.
[02:57] <jayeola> has anyone successfully been able to dual boot with ubuntu yet?
[02:57] <rsilva> jayeola: ubuntu + windows: yes.
[02:58] <plovs> jayeola, works ok here
[02:58] <housetier> jayeola, yes
[02:58] <smo> ditto
[02:58] <Sam0r> yes but sudo serioulsy doesnt do anything
[02:58] <jayeola> i have/am/ been able to sudo, with all of the options, just wondered on the develpoer's philosophy of steering ppl away from being root
[02:58] <bob2> jayeola: to stop people breaking their systems
[02:59] <bob2> Sam0r: you can su if you really want to
[02:59] <topyli> i haven't been root for ages on any distro
[02:59] <bob2> it's just considered a bad way to do things
[02:59] <Sam0r> if i type.. say 'sudo nano /etc/hosts' it asks for the password (which i dont know so i just hit return) and it just takes me back to the command prompt
[02:59] <Treenaks> jayeola: running less stuff as root = less chance a script will run as root = less chance of breaking/viruses/etc.
[02:59] <bob2> Sam0r: enter *your* password
[02:59] <Treenaks> Sam0r: it asks for YOUR password
[02:59] <Sam0r> ah ok
[02:59] <plovs> jayeola, as long as the paths are ok, there really is no need for being root anymore
[02:59] <bob2> Sam0r: and please read the FAQ before ranting
[02:59] <Treenaks> not the root password
[02:59] <Sam0r> im not ranting!
[02:59] <topyli> i am :)
[03:00] <Sam0r> anyway, ive killed bonobo etc and it still wont let me get into gnome
[03:00] <Sam0r> but im not really bothered, i only want to use it as a webserver
[03:00] <jayeola> that's cool. no dramas. it was obvious and easy to spot that the developer's didn't/don't want ppl to be root any more
[03:01] <Sam0r> sounds a bit dodgy to me :/
[03:02] <pisuke> k3b is not detecting my CD writer in ubuntu. known bug?
[03:02] <rsilva> Does anyone know what component is responsible to write the keyboard section to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4? Is it xserver-xfree86?
[03:02] <jayeola> i see that emacs is installed.... i know that emacs is the daddy of the editors, but it's huge :)
[03:02] <topyli> Sam0r: what if you create another user? perhaps they could log in. i mean gnome 2.8 may be angry with some of your leftover config files
[03:02] <pisuke> i can write with nautilus
[03:02] <pisuke> weird
[03:02] <rsilva> Sam0r: sudo -s gets the shell too and is shorter :-)
[03:03] <smo> why dodgy?  using root anymore than needed always was a bad habit.  using sudo each and every time just makes you that bit more concious of when you're using it
[03:03] <bob2> amen
[03:04] <topyli> jayeola: editor? oh yeah, emacs has one of those too =)
[03:04] <Sam0r> jayeola: its a fresh install, ive done nothing at all with it yet
[03:04] <Sam0r> rsilva: sudo -s didnt work for me 
[03:04] <[rain] > how do I change the default language? I happend to choose swedish by accident on install. the lang prefs aren't there in gnomes system prefs
[03:04] <Sam0r> anyway
[03:05] <jayeola> imho, vi has an easier learnig curve than emacs
[03:05] <pisuke> [rain] , you can choose language at the login screen
[03:05] <topyli> jayeola: sure. it's just an editor. emacs is huge like you say.
[03:06] <[rain] > ah, thanks :)
[03:06] <plovs> Sam0r, did you make sure it is really dead, I had to kill it more then once, once
[03:06] <[rain] > btw, I'd just like to say to the developers that you are doing a great job :)
[03:06] <plovs> jayeola, that is a *very* relative comparison :)
[03:06] <jayeola> true plovs ....
 this <esc> that <alt> that....
[03:08] <topyli> yep. that's how it works :)
[03:09] <jayeola> but still, respect to richard stallman for inventing it and making it free/open source
[03:09] <Treenaks> jayeola: I'm sure he'd call it free software, not open source :)
[03:09] <jayeola> um, yeah
[03:10] <plovs> jayeola, and people who are fast in it are *really* fast
[03:10] <jayeola> ?
[03:10] <jayeola> i bought a book called "learning gnu emacs" and soon gave up. vi for me i guess, but each to there own
[03:10] <plovs> jayeola, i mean you can literally do everything in it (except for the coffee thing)
[03:11] <topyli> "emacs is the operating system, linux just provides the device drivers"
[03:11] <smo> there is/was a coffee-HOWTO .. I'm sure you could extend that to emacs with a little effort ;o)
[03:11] <jayeola> yah i've haedr that an the book says/demonstrates as much. but there are like so many commands... and i want them alll
[03:12] <jayeola> smo: yeah i've seen that coffee-how2 at http://tldp.org
[03:12] <plovs> jayeola, emacs was not really meant for mortals
[03:12] <plovs> jayeola, besides linus doesn't use it :) (so nor do I)
[03:12] <topyli> coffee.el --- Submit a BREW request to an RFC2324-compliant coffee device
[03:12] <topyli> http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el
[03:13] <plovs> topyli, wow!
[03:13] <topyli> yes =)
[03:13] <jayeola> sudo tea --sugar ??
[03:13] <smo> of course, no-one ever writes RFCs for teapots
[03:14] <plovs> smo, well, they wrote an RFC for pigeons, so you never know
[03:14] <jayeola> brb, off to read the ubuntu faqs and stuff
[03:14] <jayeola> bty what's the regocnised abbreviation for ubuntu?
[03:15] <topyli> plovs: although i don't know which "coffee devices" are RFC2324-compliant. also, coffee.el requires a special BREW-capable version of emacs :)
[03:15] <tseng> warthogs are excellent typists
[03:15] <tseng> so we dont abbreviate things.
[03:15] <jayeola> !
[03:15] <smo> and it's such a fun word
[03:16] <bob2> I don't think it can be usefully abbreviated
[03:16] <plovs> topyli, you see? it's vim for us, no such emacs fits in my machine
[03:17] <plovs> tseng, are you the mono-tseng?
[03:17] <Mithrandir> plovs: he is
[03:18] <plovs> tseng, where can we send bug-messages for your packages (which are very much appreciated btw)
[03:18] <tseng> um
[03:18] <tseng> is your bug with monodevelop?
[03:18] <plovs> tseng, yes...
[03:18] <tseng> when you click new?
[03:19] <plovs> tseng, it is very unclickable, it doesn't run at all
[03:19] <jayeola> hmm. i can't sem to be able to install lynx (the text browser) with apt-get/synaptic....
[03:19] <jayeola> -seem-
[03:19] <Treenaks> jayeola: what does apt tell you
[03:19] <bob2> tseng: if I built for ppc, would you host the .debs?
[03:19] <mkyc-ubuntu> i had no issues
[03:20] <mkyc-ubuntu> have you added universe to sources.list
[03:20] <mkyc-ubuntu> ?
[03:20] <plovs> jayeola, what does apt-cache search lynx find?
[03:20] <mkyc-ubuntu> ahh sorry. i dont use synaptic
[03:20] <mkyc-ubuntu> just apt
[03:21] <plovs> tseng, cannot open assembly ./MonoDevelop.exe ,etc
[03:21] <tseng> yeah what happened there
[03:21] <tseng> it was tested and working, promise.
[03:21] <tseng> broke here now also
[03:21] <sbartley> Hello.  Can someone tell me what tools are avail for viewing usb devices in Ubuntu?  I have a usb multicard reader which I would like to use but can't seem to find a tool that will show the devices as the cards are inserted.
[03:21] <plovs> tseng, sorry, didn't mean to 
[03:22] <Treenaks> sbartley: just insert the cards, they should show up on your desktop
[03:22] <sbartley> did insert card and did not show up on desktop.
[03:22] <sbartley> card reader shows green light of active use but nothing on the desktop.
[03:23] <jayeola> sbartley: try 'sudo tail /var/log/messages/ or 'dmesg'
[03:23] <jayeola> that should show what the box can see/detects
[03:25] <tseng> plovs: yo
[03:25] <tseng> plovs: the deps are a little off somewhere
[03:25] <tseng> plovs: apt-get build-dep monodevelop
[03:25] <tseng> plovs: tell me if that fixes.
[03:25] <sbartley> jayeola, nothing shows usb.  shows sdc:
[03:25] <plovs> tseng, thanks, brb
[03:26] <tseng> it doesnt depends on gtk-sharp
[03:26] <jayeola> sbartley: um, dunno.
[03:27] <plovs> sbartley, that's correct it should show sd<something>
[03:27] <plovs> sbartley, can you mount sdc by hand?
[03:27] <oGs> please, as to make to modify the menu?
[03:28] <jayeola> that's strange, i can't reach ubuntu.org from the ubuntu box...
[03:28] <jayeola> can't host/ping/firefox
[03:29] <Mithrandir> jayeola: www.ubuntulinux.org, not ubuntu.org
[03:29] <sbartley> plovs, will try. just a sec
[03:30] <jayeola> Mithrandir: tried that too ' ping www.ubuntulinux.org
[03:30] <jayeola> and that machine gives| unkown host
[03:31] <Mithrandir> try traceroute 129.241.93.49
[03:31] <jayeola> very pingable/hostable from this box though....
[03:31] <jayeola> roger that Mithrandir 
[03:32] <jayeola> that machine has a `traceroute6` command`?
[03:33] <jayeola> from this machine:- ubuntulinux.org has address 82.211.81.130
[03:33] <jayeola> nothing from the ubunto box :(
[03:33] <Mithrandir> install the traceroute package, then
[03:34] <jayeola> k
[03:34] <Mithrandir> jayeola: run "sudo route -n"
[03:34] <Mithrandir> you'll have a line similar to:
[03:34] <Mithrandir> 0.0.0.0         10.1.0.1        0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 eth0
[03:34] <Mithrandir> the second field is your gateway, try pinging that.
[03:35] <plovs> tseng, that fixed it, thanks
[03:35] <tseng> ok
[03:35] <tseng> hey do you still have the message
[03:36] <tseng> i think its missing two things, i only have one
[03:36] <plovs> tseng, the error message when it didn't work?
[03:36] <jayeola> sudo apt-get install trcaeroute... struggling to reach archive.ubuntu.com
[03:36] <tseng> plovs: yes.
[03:37] <dalderman> hey guys, I'm still not getting any mail from ubuntu bugzilla?
[03:37] <thom> jayeola: you should have mtr installed, use that
[03:37] <dalderman> the bug has been ,arked as solved (bug #1757)
[03:37] <thom> dalderman: it was resolved as a dup
[03:37] <plovs> tseng, should I message it?
[03:37] <tseng> email please
[03:38] <thom> dalderman: we're waiting on our provider to give us reverse dns, can't do anything about your mail other than that
[03:38] <dalderman> thom: the one I entered was, but 1757 was the original, and is marked as fixed
[03:38] <plovs> tseng, where?
[03:38] <tseng> brandon AT smarterits.com
[03:38] <dalderman> thom: oh ok
[03:38] <dalderman> thom: now I know that's cool
[03:38] <plovs> tseng, ok
[03:38] <dalderman> thom: telewest route our mail for us and their pissy exchange servers are picky
[03:39] <thom> telewaste can bite me, frankly :/
[03:39] <dalderman> thom: :-)
[03:40] <dalderman> thom: they used to run Solaris boxes + sendmail and it was all lovely, they then got swapped to MS by a new guy there and it all went to sh**
[03:42] <plovs> tseng, there is this small anoyance when i say new...
[03:42] <tseng> plovs: yes
[03:42] <tseng> plovs: that one is known.
[03:42] <Kinnison> Hello
[03:43] <plovs> tseng, ok, thanks for all the work
[03:44] <plovs> tseng, btw monodevelop does not show up in my menu, though
[03:44] <sbartley> plovs, I tried to manually mount the card but I get :
[03:44] <sbartley> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc,
[03:44] <sbartley>        or too many mounted file systems
[03:44] <tseng> plovs: ...
[03:44] <tseng> plovs: log in again
[03:45] <plovs> tseng, aah, sorry, i'll shut up now...
[03:45] <tseng> its probably making a new folder
[03:45] <tseng> which doesnt seem to get picked up
[03:46] <plovs> sbartley, mount sdc -t umsdos /mnt/<something> ?
[03:46] <smo> I'd try "fdisk -l /dev/sdc" .. they rarely use the entire device, but a partition within  (-l simply lists partitions)
[03:46] <jayeola> sbartley: 'lsmod' and see what moduls u have running
[03:47] <sbartley> plovs, umsdos not supported by the kernel
[03:47] <plovs> sbartley, sorry vfat
[03:47] <jayeola> and also cat /proc/devices
[03:48] <sbartley> jayeola, what specifically am I looking for in the modules?
[03:48] <jayeola> anything usb related
[03:48] <plovs> smo, many usb-things actually do (been there, struggled with that)
[03:48] <sbartley> plovs, tried vfat which is what gave me the error I showed earlier.
[03:49] <sbartley> usbcore and usbstorage show
[03:49] <jayeola> when i connect a usb device i see it listed in 'lsmod'
[03:49] <jayeola> uh-huh
[03:49] <plovs> sbartley, mount?
[03:49] <jayeola> is te dive plugged in?
[03:49] <jayeola> -the-
[03:49] <smo> curious .. I've only tried two there, but they were sda1 and sda5.  I'll stfu if my limited experience is hindering me however :o)
[03:49] <jayeola> sorry, have to ask
[03:49] <sbartley> /dev/hda1 on / type unknown (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[03:49] <sbartley> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[03:49] <sbartley> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[03:49] <sbartley> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[03:49] <sbartley> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[03:49] <sbartley> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[03:50] <sbartley> jayeola, yep. it is definately plugged in.:)
[03:50] <jayeola> try 'mount -l' it lists everything that y r mounted on
[03:51] <plovs> smo, if we all let our limited experience make us shut up irc would be awfully quiet :)
[03:51] <sbartley> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[03:51] <plovs> sbartley, fdisk -l /dev/scd
[03:51] <petemc> partitions on a cd?
[03:51] <jayeola> heh - i'm a noob but i never let my limited experience stop me :)
[03:51] <sbartley> plovs, nothgin
[03:52] <jayeola> dmesg | grep usb
[03:52] <jayeola> dmesg | grep sd
[03:53] <sbartley> usbcore: registered new driver usbfs
[03:53] <sbartley> usbcore: registered new driver hub
[03:53] <sbartley> usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using address 2
[03:53] <sbartley> usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage
[03:53] <sbartley> usb 1-2: USB disconnect, address 2
[03:53] <sbartley> usb 5-2: new high speed USB device using address 2
[03:53] <sbartley> usb 5-2: USB disconnect, address 2
[03:53] <sbartley> usb 5-1: new high speed USB device using address 3
[03:53] <jayeola> there's a way to _restart_ usb devices but i know it not
[03:54] <sbartley> Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
[03:54] <sbartley> Attached scsi removable disk sdb at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 1
[03:54] <sbartley> SCSI device sdc: 494080 512-byte hdwr sectors (253 MB)
[03:54] <sbartley> sdc: Write Protect is on
[03:54] <sbartley> sdc: Mode Sense: 02 00 80 00
[03:54] <sbartley> sdc: assuming drive cache: write through
[03:54] <sbartley> Attached scsi removable disk sdc at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 2
[03:54] <sbartley> Attached scsi removable disk sdd at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 3
[03:54] <sbartley> VFS: Can't find a HFS filesystem on dev sdc1.
[03:54] <sbartley> VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sdc.
[03:54] <sbartley> VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sdc.
[03:54] <sbartley> VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sdc.
[03:54] <jayeola> stop!
[03:54] <plovs> sbartley, fdisk -l /dev/sdc
[03:54] <sbartley> plovs, shows nothing
[03:54] <jayeola> is there any data on that device sbartley ?
[03:55] <sbartley> jayeola, yep.  has pictures from my digital camera
[03:55] <plovs> sbartley, sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdc
[03:55] <sbartley> I can use this card reader and card on my xandros linux box and it shows the pictures no problem.
[03:55] <jayeola> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/
[03:55] <sbartley> plovs, shows nothing.
[03:55] <jayeola> now mount /mnt/
[03:55] <sbartley> lol
[03:55] <jayeola> done?
[03:55] <sbartley> jayeola, you rock
[03:55] <jayeola> not i
[03:55] <jayeola> google
[03:56] <sbartley> :)
[03:56] <jayeola> that happened to me about six months ago
[03:56] <sbartley> mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sd worked
[03:56] <plovs> sbartley, but this *should* be automatic
[03:56] <jayeola> struggled on my own for hoooooooors
[03:56] <sbartley> mount /dev/sdc /mnt/sd doesnt.
[03:56] <jayeola> ahem, now u need to make an entry into /etc/fstab
[03:56] <sbartley> amazing how a little thing like "1" missing will mess it up.:)
[03:57] <jayeola> to tell yr box how to mount a filesytem on tha usb device
[03:57] <plovs> jayeola, well, he should actually not have to di this
[03:57] <jayeola> brb sbartley, i'll give u some instructions
[03:57] <sbartley> k.
[03:58] <plovs> sbartley, is your box up-to-date?
[03:58] <sbartley> loaded this morning.
[03:58] <plovs> sbartley, did you run apt-get update/upgrade?
[03:58] <sbartley> no
[03:59] <jayeola> sbartley: http://jayeola.org/wordpress/index.php?p=74
[03:59] <plovs> sbartley, maybe you should, all my usb-devices automount
[03:59] <jayeola> that's from my blog, i use it to record  all of the new things that i've learnt
[03:59] <Linuxbcn> hi
[04:00] <sbartley> jayeola, thx.
[04:00] <sbartley> plovs, will do that now and see what it does.
[04:00] <sbartley> thx all.  bbiab after updating.
[04:00] <plovs> sbartley, and then umount /mnt/sd, pull it out and plug it back in
[04:01] <jayeola> he's gone/quit
[04:02] <jayeola> it's very strange... i installed/updated ubuntu at a linux users group 
[04:02] <jayeola> but now that box can't seem to reach *any* ubuntu addys
[04:02] <plovs> jayeola, other addresses work?
[04:02] <jayeola> none at all. so i can't update anything from the archives.
[04:03] <jayeola> i'm lookiing in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:03] <plovs> jayeola, does networking work at all?
[04:03] <jayeola> yeah
[04:03] <jayeola> can reach all other boxes, n/works/hosts
[04:04] <plovs> jayeola, what about google or something can you ping them?
[04:04] <jayeola> is my isp gnikcuf with me?
[04:05] <jayeola> rebooted ubuntu box, grrr! if it's my isp - i'll go bananas
[04:06] <plovs> jayeola, you might try from a mirror or something
[04:06] <jayeola> i'm actually trying to test the wireless capabilities of ubuntu...
[04:07] <jayeola> it detected a w/less card immediately and gave me the correct card info, even the driver and manif id
[04:07] <jayeola> 1st time!
[04:07] <plovs> jayeola, laptop?
[04:08] <jayeola> this is a l/top also. running fedora
[04:09] <Sam0r> i was just reading the wiki.. is there a way to enable to boot splash screen? 
[04:09] <jayeola> right! i can see a 'temporary name resolution failure' in the boot up messages
[04:09] <jayeola> Sam0r: yeh it's easy, hold on and i'll give u a url
[04:09] <smo> splash screens are a 'next release' thing, last I heard
[04:09] <Sam0r> cheers jayeola :)
[04:09] <jayeola> Sam0r: do u mean having/changing the image at boot up?
[04:10] <Sam0r> well displaying one would be nice :)
[04:10] <Sam0r> i need to get grub sorted
[04:10] <jayeola> yeah. there's a url somewhere....
[04:10] <Sam0r> see, i'm making a boot logo (like suse) and atm ive got a really good idea for it, and in my head (and paintshop) it looks pretty damn good
[04:11] <plovs> Sam0r, would be nice, many users get upset when they see linux startup, way too much text
[04:11] <jayeola> something like this.... http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/view/142
[04:12] <jayeola> and it works....
[04:12] <Sam0r> cool
[04:12] <Sam0r> well atm i'm looking at doing the grub one
[04:12] <Sam0r> and doing somthing with bootsplash
[04:13] <jayeola> http://plf.zarb.org/logo.php
[04:13] <jayeola> have a look at these logos and tell me what you think.....
[04:13] <jayeola> i think that they are very funny/cool
[04:13] <Sam0r> yeah
[04:14] <Sam0r> i'll make a .swf of the boot screen tonight
[04:14] <jayeola> tux with gunz?
[04:14] <Sam0r> to get an idea of what it'll look like
[04:14] <Sam0r> noo, its similar to the apple mac startup screen
[04:14] <jayeola> like i said it's very easy but the text is very usefull for debugging stuff
[04:15] <Sam0r> yeah you can press F2 to switch to verbose mode
[04:15] <jayeola> never knew that
[04:15] <Sam0r> well with bootsplash you can
[04:15] <jayeola> uh-huh?
[04:15] <Sam0r> yup
[04:15] <Sam0r> i meant to ask
[04:15] <Sam0r> is ubunto developed in the uk?
[04:16] <thom> all over the place
[04:16] <Sam0r> oh right
[04:16] <thom> there are 5/6 of us in the uk i think ;-)
[04:16] <blight> Hmm
[04:16] <blight> Distro seems quite nice so far
[04:17] <plovs> Sam0r, although the company who paysfor it is in england
[04:17] <Sam0r> cool i'm in the  uk (bham)
[04:17] <smo> I'm expatriated :/
[04:17] <plovs> Sam0r, off course on the net it does not make a lot off difference
[04:18] <jayeola> damn! that ubuntu box has lost newtwork capabilities. it can only ping the router
[04:18] <Sam0r> yeah thats true
[04:18] <Treenaks> plovs: well, if the main site was hosted on a small island in the pacific we'd notice ;)
[04:18] <jayeola> i'm in london, where its cold and miserable
[04:18] <smo> I'm in northern michigan, where I'll give your cold a run for it's money :o)
[04:18] <Sam0r> lol
[04:19] <plovs> Treenaks, i would go straight away to do maintenance ;)
[04:19] <jayeola> smo: well our overcast and cloudy is better than yours!
[04:19] <thom> jayeola: where abouts?
[04:19] <smo> I know, but I'm homesick 'n cold   lol
[04:19] <jayeola> london? south west, near brixton
[04:20] <jayeola> but if i told u my exact location ..... i'd have ta kil ya
[04:20] <thom> heh
[04:20] <Treenaks> jayeola: we'll just wipe the entire country from the map...
[04:20] <jayeola> damn! that ubuntu box has lost it's n/work :(
[04:20] <plovs> smo, change the position on your wheather-applet, it will be like your on hawai!
[04:21] <smo> if I got off my *cough* and did something with the furnace, that may just work
[04:23] <jayeola> anyone care for a screenshot?  http://jayeola.org/dump/ubuntu-shot.png
[04:23] <jayeola> this is a fedora core 2 (FC2) box
[04:24] <ds2horner> thom:thanks again - re bittorrent and rosegarden
[04:24] <plovs> jayeola, you should have told us to smile!
[04:24] <jayeola> heh!
[04:24] <plovs> jayeola, how does it compare to fedora?
[04:24] <smo> I'm famous!  (and my what a cluttered panel)
[04:24] <jayeola> um, ubuntu is ok so far. i like the simple gui menu
[04:25] <jayeola> i always go for terminals and the command line..
[04:25] <plovs> jayeola, irssi?
[04:25] <smo> oh, that reminds me .. is there a particular reason the Computer menu isn't right-clickable ?
[04:25] <jayeola> but the menu is very simple and well though out
[04:25] <jayeola> yeah irssi - the killer irc client
[04:26] <jayeola> the menu in fc2 is (over?) complicated 
[04:26] <Sam0r> does ubunto come with an ftp server?
[04:26] <plovs> jayeola, i like using irssi as a proxy in screen but i prefer xchat as a frontend
[04:26] <jayeola> xchat does not have the word/name/option completion
[04:26] <smo> proftpd and wu-ftpd both appear to be universe
[04:27] <thom> smo: vsftpd
[04:27] <jayeola> also since i use a laptop, i have to think about battery power and i can run irssi from a virtual terminal
[04:27] <jayeola> vt's conserve batt power
[04:28] <plovs> jayeola, i'm not a star in irssi-config yet
[04:28] <blight> hmm when I mount xp ntfs partition as root the path is set to 600 perms any way round that
[04:28] <plovs> jayeola, use screen
[04:28] <thom> blight: NTFS write support doesn't work
[04:28] <jayeola> plovs: me niether. the doc's are notoriuosly poor but it's still a killer app
[04:28] <jayeola> plovs: screen?
[04:28] <plovs> jayeola, did you find docs :)
[04:29] <plovs> jayeola, in a terminal type screen and you'll have as many vt as you good ever need
[04:29] <jayeola> plovs: '/help [command] ' does the job for me
[04:29] <Sam0r> how do i customise the grub bootloader?
[04:29] <Sam0r> like add OS's to it
[04:30] <jayeola> the aliases are a very handy
[04:30] <jayeola> Sam0r: when u find out let me know, i want fedora xp and ubuntu on this box
[04:30] <Elim_ppc> hi
[04:31] <blight> thom, that's fine, just want to be able to read as normal user
[04:31] <Sam0r> will do
[04:31] <plovs> jayeola, the cool thing of screen is that it will survive a logout (as long as the machine stays up)
[04:31] <jayeola> oh yeah?
[04:31] <Elim_ppc> does anyone know how i add fluxbox to gdm as i have had no luck trying to use guides i have found on the fluxbox website and from the internet.
[04:32] <plovs> jayeola, yes screen in a terminal ^a^D detach screen, logout, login screen -r continues where you were (in vim or irssi or whatever)
[04:33] <dieman> Kamion: thanks for trying :)
[04:33] <Kamion> dieman: worth a go, oh well, will have it for hoary
[04:33] <dieman> yeah
[04:33] <dieman> when is hoary scheduled for? 6 months out?
[04:34] <Kamion> yep, release April 2005
[04:34] <blight> root@hammer:~ # mount
[04:34] <blight> /dev/sda5 on / type unknown (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[04:34] <dieman> ok
[04:34] <jayeola> plovs: i love/like the split screens!
[04:34] <blight> type unknown for / ?
[04:34] <mxpxpod> lamont: poing
[04:34] <dieman> Kamion: are you going to be resyncing d-i pretty quick after warty?
[04:34] <mxpxpod> whoops
[04:34] <mxpxpod> ping
[04:35] <plovs> jayeola, screen is really,really need for console-work, combine it with ssh and it is killer!
[04:35] <fourth_user> mxpxpod > another o and you would have been in trouble ;)
[04:35] <mxpxpod> fourth_user: heh
[04:35] <mxpxpod> good point
[04:35] <Kamion> dieman: right
[04:35] <Kamion> dieman: not looking forward to the merge :)
[04:35] <dieman> heh
[04:35] <blight> ahh : root@hammer:/mnt # mount -o umask=022 /dev/sda2 ntfs_d
[04:36] <Sam0r> jayeola: found out how to edit grub
[04:36] <Sam0r> cd to /boot/grub
[04:36] <Sam0r> and edit menu.lst (i think it was)
[04:36] <deFrysk> sudo nano -w /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:37] <Sam0r> not sure if you need to reinstall grub after, i'm not sure about grub, i've always used lilo
[04:37] <deFrysk> or whatever editor you prefer
[04:37] <jayeola> what do u actually edit? what do u say to the file? 
[04:37] <Sam0r> its pretty self explanitory once you see the file :)
[04:38] <leonv> howdey, how does one get the spell checker on openoffice to work? I see that myspell-en-gb and myspell-en-us are installed.
[04:38] <jayeola> yeah, i've seen the file but i wanna addd another OS/distro.....
[04:39] <Sam0r> there are examples to use
[04:39] <jayeola> plovs: another screenshot -  jayeola.org/dump/ubuntu-shot.png
[04:39] <jayeola> Sam0r: uh-huh?
[04:39] <Sam0r> best to just copy and paste whats already there for ubunto then edit it for your other os's
[04:40] <jayeola> i did have two issues.....
[04:40] <jayeola> working how much space to use for fedora and ubuntu... you know , the partition stage
[04:40] <jayeola> and the other was grub
[04:41] <Sam0r> oh right
[04:41] <Sam0r> i only have ubunto on my server atm
[04:41] <jayeola> i already had fedora installed and i put (or tried) ubuntu onto some spare space
[04:41] <jayeola> when the box said 'take out the cd and get ready for the 2nd stage'
[04:41] <Sam0r> i simply cant use linux as a desktop os
[04:42] <jayeola> it rebooted to fedora! no ubuntu
[04:42] <jayeola> Sam0r: i use linux all the time, even though i'm a n00b
[04:42] <hawksmoor> hi all, ciao a tutti
[04:43] <jayeola> i did not know how to tell grub to look for both of my distros :(
[04:43] <Sam0r> im not a n00b tho, i just dont use it as a desktop os because ive never used a distro that *worked* how i wanted it to
[04:43] <Sam0r> did you try doing what i said?
[04:43] <jayeola> will re-install ubuntu with 50% of hdd space, theh reinstall fedora....
[04:43] <Sam0r> ok
[04:43] <Sam0r> brb
[04:45] <hawksmoor> as anybody installed ubuntu on a powerbook?
[04:45] <hawksmoor> has...
[04:46] <Kamion> hawksmoor: it's one of my standard test systems before releasing
[04:47] <hawksmoor> I'm thinking about installing it alongside with OsX, but I'm not quite sure yet
[04:48] <Kamion> hawksmoor: probably want to do the resize in OS X's Disk Utility, I wouldn't quite trust our HFS+ resize support yet
[04:49] <deedot> hey all, does anyone know of any good free internmet shell accounts?
[04:49] <hawksmoor> one question: is there a tool like qparted or diskdrake that let me resize the hfs+ partition without data loss? possibly on a live cd like knoppix or mandrakemove?
[04:50] <deedot> hawksmoor: try kanotix
[04:50] <deedot> its like knoppix
[04:51] <hawksmoor> and works on a mac?
[04:52] <deedot> i dunno jus go to their website, you can find it on google
[04:52] <hawksmoor> right, cheking on distrowatch ;-)
[04:54] <hawksmoor> no, it's x86 only
[04:54] <Mayday> latest update broke my ubuntu, just hangs at the gnome splashscreen, any ideas?
[04:54] <Elim_ppc> does anyone know how i add fluxbox to gdm as i have had no luck trying to use guides i have found on the fluxbox website and from the internet.
[04:55] <plovs> jayeola, i missed the screenshot :(
[04:55] <hawksmoor> Elim_ppc: I tried to compile it but it says it needs X, why? I'm using X
[04:57] <polok> g'night people
[04:57] <deedot> g'night at 4.46pm
[04:57] <deedot> really c'mon
[04:58] <Sam0r> bah
[04:58] <Sam0r> i still cant get gnome to work
[04:59] <Sam0r> killed that bonobo process too
[04:59] <Sam0r> even installed the nvidia drivers.. still wont freakin work 
[05:01] <jono> hi all
[05:01] <blight> Does anyone know of a GUI(GTK) based samba config tool?
[05:02] <hawksmoor> Kamion, the boot oader on a ppc is still grub?
[05:04] <jdub> hawksmoor: yaboot
[05:05] <hawksmoor> but the ubuntu partition is accessible from OsX like any other hfs+ partition?
[05:06] <Sam0r> well osx is darwin, which is unix
[05:07] <Sam0r> i think darwin has support for quite a few formats
[05:08] <Elim_ppc> did you use the latest cvs from www.fluxbox.org?
[05:08] <Elim_ppc> or a release?
[05:08] <hawksmoor> Elim: 0.9.10
[05:08] <Elim_ppc> use cvs all the others dont compile on mine either plus cvs is very niice :D
[05:09] <Elim_ppc> just wish i knew how to add it to gdm's startup options screen
[05:09] <hawksmoor> Elim: the other versions gave you the same probelm as mine?
[05:09] <Elim_ppc> yes
[05:10] <Elim_ppc> or similar i cant remeber exactly
[05:10] <Elim_ppc> remember*
[05:10] <hawksmoor> I 'll go to the website and try
[05:12] <jayeola> is there a man page for word completion?
[05:12] <jayeola> at th commend line that is
[05:12] <jayeola> -cammand-
[05:13] <jayeola> for example, u can normally start a word and tab, to complete it....
[05:18] <Kamion> 16:05 < hawksmoor> but the ubuntu partition is accessible from OsX like any other hfs+ partition?
[05:18] <Kamion> hmmmmmmm, assumption detected :-)
[05:19] <bagpuss_> jayeola: not really.  It's builtin to the shell.  looking at the functions in /etc/bash_completion might give you some ideas though
[05:20] <jayeola> thanks bagpuss_ i can't seem to scroll back thru the command line using <backspace> <left arrow>
[05:20] <Kamion> dieman: it's probably easier for us to just build usb-discover with a current discover1-data, I think that should do it
[05:20] <jayeola> u can do that by default with fedora's bash shell
[05:20] <Kamion> jayeola: 'man bash' lists the keybindings
[05:21] <Kamion> search for READLINE
[05:21] <jayeola> uh-huh
[05:22] <jayeola> man readline! thanks!
[05:22] <Kamion> that too :-)
[05:25] <phin> how do i turn off AA, all the way down to the server level?  i have a feeling thats killing me on this slow pc
[05:26] <Elim_ppc> ~/.xinint what can u do with this file?
[05:27] <jayeola> heh! the ububtu box is now n/worked. i forgot to change /etc/resolve.conf to include my home n/work details
[05:28] <jayeola> -ubuntu-
[05:30] <Sam0r> does ubunto ship with a ssh server?!
[05:30] <jayeola> man ssh
[05:30] <jayeola> i got that so there must be one
[05:30] <jayeola> also try 'man -k ssh' and tell me what u see
[05:31] <Sam0r> the manual for ssh...
[05:31] <blight> $ dpkg -l | grep -i ssh
[05:31] <blight> ii  openssh-client 3.8.1p1-10ubun Secure shell client, an rlogin/rsh/rcp repla
[05:31] <blight> ii  ssh-askpass-gn 3.8.1p1-10ubun under X, asks user for a passphrase for ssh-
[05:31] <Sam0r> doesnt say anyting about sshd
[05:31] <blight> Sam0r, looks like no
[05:31] <jayeola> good now try 'man -k ssh'
[05:32] <jayeola> tell me what u see
[05:32] <RuffianSoldier> hey all
[05:32] <Elim_ppc> apt-get install shh
[05:32] <Elim_ppc> ssh*
[05:32] <jayeola> i'll learn too
[05:32] <RuffianSoldier> im downloading ubuntu
[05:32] <Elim_ppc> apt-get install ssh
[05:32] <RuffianSoldier> why is it only 500mb???????
[05:32] <jayeola> ?
[05:32] <Elim_ppc> only gnome no kde
[05:32] <RuffianSoldier> Im donwloading ubuntu, and its only 509MBs
[05:32] <blight> Sam0r, $ sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[05:32] <RuffianSoldier> aaaah
[05:33] <RuffianSoldier> i can use .deb packagas
[05:33] <housetier> its all (probably more) than you will need
[05:33] <jayeola> i thought that it's there already. if u have  man page, then it must be there 
[05:33] <RuffianSoldier> Can i use .deb packages?????
[05:33] <blight> jayeola, thats the man page for the ssh client
[05:34] <housetier> RuffianSoldier, yes you can!!!!!!!!!! you can also use a little less punctuation please :)
[05:34] <jayeola> yeah so if u have the man page then u have the app, right?
[05:34] <RuffianSoldier> thanks you
[05:35] <housetier> RuffianSoldier, be prepared for trouble if mixing packages from different repositories though
[05:35] <Sam0r> well the man -k ssh had the config file on it, but that doesnt mean its installed
[05:35] <jayeola> ah
[05:36] <jayeola> ssh                  (1)  - OpenSSH SSH client (remote login program)
[05:36] <jayeola> ssh-add              (1)  - adds RSA or DSA identities to the authentication agent
[05:36] <jayeola> ssh-agent            (1)  - authentication agent
[05:36] <jayeola> ssh_config           (5)  - OpenSSH SSH client configuration files
[05:36] <jayeola> sshd                 (8)  - OpenSSH SSH daemon
[05:36] <jayeola> sorry about pasting
[05:36] <jayeola> sshd_config          (5)  - OpenSSH SSH daemon configuration file
[05:36] <jayeola> ssh-keygen           (1)  - authentication key generation, management and conversion
[05:36] <housetier> RuffianSoldier, this will answer a few quesions I hope: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqfolder_view/
[05:36] <RuffianSoldier> housetier: Ubuntu is just temporary, i usualy use Libranet (Debian based Linux) and i took bad advice (From console and IRC channel people) So im just playing arround before i reinstall LN
[05:37] <jayeola> ubuntu = temporary?
[05:37] <housetier> so whats the fuss then
[05:37] <dieman> Kamion: ahh, i didn't know thats what it does, I didn't lookat the pckage
[05:39] <Elim_ppc> i hate pcs 
[05:39] <RuffianSoldier> jayeola: yes, i am just playing around with distros right now
[05:39] <RuffianSoldier> Elim_ppc: I hate macs
[05:39] <RuffianSoldier> even though im using one right now
[05:39] <jayeola> ah - when u said 'temp', i thought that u man that it was a temp project
[05:40] <Elim_ppc> i like pc's os' better ie x86 linux and nvidia graphics but the hard disks are irritating the life out me
[05:40] <Elim_ppc> the connecters dont stay in so linux wont boot and it has kernel panic unable to mount v file system...
[05:40] <RuffianSoldier> i wonder how much they will charge for Longhorn when it comes out
[05:41] <Elim_ppc> grrr!
[05:41] <RuffianSoldier> oh well, i will still download a copy
[05:41] <Elim_ppc> 100/$150/160 euros
[05:41] <jayeola> how can i tell exactly which architecture i have? like i386, 486, 586, 686?
[05:41] <Elim_ppc> what cpu u got?
[05:41] <RuffianSoldier> screw paying for windows, i never did
[05:41] <jayeola> PII
[05:42] <jayeola> and another PIII
[05:42] <phin> piratingis illegal
[05:42] <Elim_ppc> ok thats a 686
[05:42] <phin> pirating*
[05:42] <Elim_ppc> or a 586
[05:42] <jayeola> PIII = 686? and PII=?
[05:42] <Elim_ppc> i dont know which
[05:42] <phin> p2 is 686
[05:42] <jayeola> k
[05:42] <smo> I believe petium1 / pentium-pro are 586, and anything newer, 686
[05:43] <phin> ppro is 686
[05:43] <RuffianSoldier> what is a cyrix M-II 300???
[05:43] <phin> ruffian: i think its 586
[05:43] <phin> i know my k6-2 is
[05:43] <phin> it might even be 486
[05:43] <Elim_ppc> why does it matter anyway?
[05:43] <RuffianSoldier> i have a Cyrix
[05:43] <phin> your best using just a 386
[05:43] <Elim_ppc> no its not a 486 
[05:43] <RuffianSoldier> i always used I386 stuff
[05:43] <phin> sorry to hear that
[05:43] <RuffianSoldier> i suppose it wont matter
[05:43] <jayeola> thanks for the info. i'm gonna try to compile the kernel after i install the source code
[05:43] <phin> werd
[05:44] <phin> are you gonna use patches?
[05:44] <jayeola> not sure. gonna install the source, read it and see what's best
[05:44] <Sam0r> jayeola: let me know how to recompile goes, i'm prolly going to have to recompile the kernel soon 
[05:44] <Elim_ppc> damn, my pc refuses to boot the hard disk connecters are in right and it doesnt work
[05:44] <Ruffian-Away> ill be back
[05:44] <jayeola> the docs in the fedora source are very good
[05:44] <phin> well if your gonna use patches, then its worth it, if not just use the i686 kernel in the apt repository
[05:45] <Sam0r> anyone know how to access windows shares using samba from the command line?
[05:45] <jayeola> hmm, it's  17:0 here and i haven't eaten. need food
[05:45] <smo> smbclient should, but it's a pretty painful experience
[05:46] <phin> heh
[05:46] <phin> im compiling with the cko7 patches now
[05:46] <jayeola> gonna drop alot of stuff that i don't need
[05:46] <phin> it doesnt matter, its all modules
[05:46] <jayeola> tryng to make the k smaller....
[05:47] <phin> not to sound cocky, but why?
[05:47] <smo> I've given up on that aproach .. the last thing you need when a nic is fried, is having to rebuild to get a driver for the replacement
[05:47] <phin> it doesnt make it faster
[05:47] <mojo> optimization is the main point for a good PC
[05:47] <phin> just use the i686 kernel in apt
[05:47] <Sam0r> it makes it faster to decompress and load.
[05:47] <housetier> Sam0r, there is "smbclient"
[05:47] <Sam0r> but not very
[05:47] <jayeola> dunno. like to see how all this stuff works. never get the oppourtunity in doze
[05:47] <Elim_ppc> OK I HAVE HAD ENOUGH ONEBASE LINUX IS GOING OFF MY PC! long may it rot, what do you recon i should dual boot ubuntu on it with exept windows which isnt getting a look in
[05:47] <mojo> good choosen kernel = good PC
[05:47] <phin> jay: ahh, valid reason :P
[05:48] <Elim_ppc> gentoo i recon would be good, what do you think?
[05:48] <phin> no
[05:48] <thom> Elim_ppc: i would just use gentoo
[05:48] <mojo> have u guys heard about Waimera project?
[05:48] <phin> OMG ROFL OPTIMIZATIONS!
[05:48] <thom> maybe stick a BSD on for variety
[05:48] <housetier> yes Elim_ppc use gentoo :)
[05:48] <jayeola> phin: u see i spend most of my time asking really basic questions, which could be answered by learning the kernel
[05:49] <jayeola> gentoo. gah!
[05:49] <thom> Elim_ppc: um. s/gentoo/ubuntu/
[05:49] <thom> fingers went mad
[05:49] <phin> jay: well compiling will not answer to many questions
[05:49] <phin> get into kernel hacking :P
[05:49] <mojo> yes
[05:49] <mojo> get dirty with codes
[05:49] <phin> thats when u learn
[05:49] <mojo> codes are erotic with me
[05:49] <phin> selecting modules wont teach shit :P
[05:49] <jayeola> not hacking as such, but getting a better understanding of the basics and how things work
[05:49] <Elim_ppc> i want to actually dual boot windows 98 for steam how would i setup lilo to boot into window 98 i have never managed it before.
[05:50] <Elim_ppc> with gentoo
[05:50] <housetier> Elim_ppc, #gentoo is for gentoo questions
[05:50] <Elim_ppc> k
[05:50] <phin> elim: ya we do not support gentoo
[05:50] <mojo> yah
[05:50] <phin> in fact you will find most people that like the debian way, dispise gentoo :P
[05:50] <mojo> we do not
[05:50] <mojo> because we are far better lol!
[05:50] <Sam0r> is there a program to help you setup samba? cuz i cant get the f***ing thing working
[05:51] <phin> well, it doesnt make sense to compile every peice of software
[05:51] <jayeola> selecting modules wont teach shit i tried gentoo once....
[05:51] <phin> i mean, i guess OMGOPTIMZATIONS FOR THE METAL TRACES THAT GOTO MY MEM FROM CPU WILL MAKE A .00002s DIFFRENCE ON LOAD TIMES OMGLOLZ
[05:51] <phin> hehe sorry
[05:51] <jayeola> man that was craaa-zeee. couldn't even deteect my network card
[05:52] <phin> jayeoloa: i would just apt-get install the 686 kern
[05:52] <Elim_ppc> i like gentoo for one reason it actually works on me pc and doesnt go bust like everything else seems to
[05:52] <Elim_ppc> including debian
[05:52] <jayeola> i'm trying to install lynx, but i'm being asked 2 insert a cd????
[05:52] <phin> jay: did you change your sources.list?
[05:52] <Sam0r> stick the ubuntu cd in
[05:52] <jayeola> i just umcommented sources.list
[05:53] <Elim_ppc> put ur install cd in!!
[05:53] <thom> jayeola: yeah, apt has realised that lynx hasn't changed from teh ver on your cd so it wants to use that
[05:53] <phin> did you apt-get update?
[05:53] <jayeola> yeah
[05:53] <phin> did you remove the cd from the sources?
[05:53] <jayeola> apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist upgrade; apt-get install gcc lynx
[05:54] <jayeola> phin: i dunno, i'll look now. i just uncommented evrything
[05:54] <phin> comment the cd out
[05:54] <phin> then apt-get update
[05:54] <phin> then apt-get install lynx
[05:54] <phin> i would recommend elinks over lynx thou
[05:54] <phin> colors and tables :)
[05:55] <phin> plus gpm support. so you can use a mouse
[05:55] <jayeola> uh-huh
[05:55] <phin> no mouse on web browsing SUCKS
[05:55] <phin> lol
[05:55] <thom> dude. w3m-img
[05:55] <jayeola> roger that
[05:55] <jayeola> w3??
[05:55] <phin> w3m-img is cool
[05:55] <jayeola> ??
[05:55] <phin> i prefer elinks thou
[05:55] <phin> it lets you have pictures
[05:55] <phin> sometimes it makes the formating all fucked
[05:55] <phin> well i think so
[05:56] <thom> sure, but it's cool
[05:56] <jayeola> ? i thought that it was text only
[05:56] <thom> and also mouse support under x and gpm
[05:56] <phin> ya, i prefer elinks
[05:56] <thom> jayeola: it is. try it and see ;-)
[05:57] <jayeola> roger that. need food 1st. also commented the cd source
[05:57] <ish> Is there some simple rc.local file? 
[05:57] <ish> So I don't have to do my custom startup stuff in a init style script?
[05:57] <jayeola> heh - it worked thanks guys! no install from cd anymore!
[05:58] <jayeola> boy i'm  learning fast!
[05:58] <phin> ish: just make rc.local
[05:58] <phin> if it sees it it should use it
[05:58] <ish> in etc or etc/init.d
[05:58] <phin> in /etc
[05:59] <jayeola> gah! can't find package 'mplayer' or 'mc' ???
[06:01] <jayeola> have ta get it from sourceforge
[06:02] <jayeola> *ahem* i recommend one of you guys making an entry in http://linux-laptop.org
[06:02] <longsleep> jayeola: there is a apt repo somewhere for this .. just cant remember the url
[06:03] <smo> google debian-marilliat for mirrors
[06:04] <longsleep> thats it
[06:04] <jayeola> roger that
[06:04] <jayeola> also can't seem to get my sound on/going/detected/
[06:04] <jayeola> thinkpad 600
[06:05] <jayeola> ibm laptop
[06:15] <Frenchix> Hi all,
[06:18] <dieman> mmmm
[06:18] <dieman> new fglrx driver
[06:18] <dieman> of course, bugzilla isn't cooperating with my browser
[06:21] <Frenchix> I'm new to ubuntu and have just installed it on my system. I've a strange problem with synaptic. When I started it the windows open after the password and it freeze with noting readable inside (crappy screen) it. Anyone has ever have this bug ? and how to correct it ? Thanks. Sorry for errors cause I'm a french guy.
[06:24] <theantix> Frenchix, can you run synaptic from a terminal to see if it gives you any errors?
[06:24] <Frenchix> For information the distro is the daily snapshot of the ( 2004-09-30 ). I've tried to uninstall & install again synaptic without succes !
[06:26] <jayeola> Frenchix: u may have to configure/change the sources, that's where u get the packages from....
[06:26] <Frenchix> Theantix. I try and let you known result.
[06:26] <jayeola>  /etc/apt-get/sources.list
[06:29] <Frenchix> Theantix. I've tried from a terminal and it is the same result without error messages.
[06:30] <Vorph777> hi, has anyone got straw working under ubuntu?
[06:30] <theantix> Frenchix, I'm sorry, I don't know how to help you then
[06:30] <theantix> Vorph777, yes I have
[06:31] <theantix> Vorph777, are you getting the problem where you can't update any feeds?
[06:31] <Frenchix> Jayeola could you repeate your message cause it's too long and  I can't read it until the end ?
[06:31] <Vorph777> theantix - yup, the app falls over as soon as I click on one, sound familiar?
[06:32] <theantix> Vorph777, it's a known bug with straw .rpms and .debs -- you have to set up the defaults because they are all set to "0" or "" -- then you have to remove and re-add the feeds
[06:32] <theantix> Vorph777, for example the number of articles stored is "0" by default, which means nothing is stored... and you have to drop/add the feeds in order to get it to work
[06:33] <Vorph777> ok thanks - I assume they're in a text file someplace?
[06:33] <theantix> no, in the preferences menu
[06:35] <Frenchix> jayeola. You want I change the source ? Do you have other sources, mine are those from ubuntu ?
[06:35] <Frenchix> Theantix thanks for your help.
[06:36] <Vorph777> theantix - I don;t seem to be able to remove any feeds, the "remove" button is ghosted...
[06:36] <theantix> Vorph777, how did you install straw?
[06:37] <Vorph777> dpkg -i straw_blah.deb
[06:38] <theantix> from the debian sid package?  or is there an ubuntu one now?
[06:38] <Vorph777> the one I got was from the debian package site...
[06:38] <Vorph777> I can't get one using apt-get from the ubuntu repositories...
[06:38] <theantix> yeah, I already filed a bug regarding that..
[06:39] <Sam0r> does the default kernel that comes with ubuntu have bootsplash compiled into it?
[06:39] <Kamion> Sam0r: no
[06:39] <Sam0r> bah ok
[06:39] <Kamion> Sam0r: trying to use bootsplash broke the installer
[06:39] <theantix> Vorph777, I'm afraid that straw is just not working that great with Ubuntu at the moment... you might want to try Liferea
[06:39] <Kamion> Sam0r: we'll be implementing a fully userspace bootsplash-a-like for hoary
[06:40] <Vorph777> theantix - yeah it seems that way, thanks for the help anyways - I'll give Liferea a go...
[06:40] <Frenchix> Theantix. you already filled a bug about my problem ? could you send me the bugzilla number ?
[06:41] <theantix> Frenchix, no vorph777's problem... sorry for the confusion -- you should file a new bug if you can reproduce the problem
[06:41] <jayeola> Frenchix: have a look at /etc/apt/sources.list, you can un/comment sources and even add others if u want
[06:42] <jayeola> is that what u mean/want?
[06:43] <Frenchix> Theantix. Ok sorry for the confusion.
[06:43] <theantix> np :-)
[06:44] <Sam0r> where can i get the source code for the kernel thats on ubuntu?
[06:44] <phin> ok, anyone...  how do i remove and turn off AA fonts?  these are slowing me down way to much, just not worth it
[06:44] <jayeola> apt-cache search kernel
[06:44] <phin> apt-get install kernel-source or something like that
[06:44] <jayeola> use uname -a to see your source listed
[06:45] <jayeola> them do what phin said, or use synaptic
[06:45] <Frenchix> jayeola. I can change the packages source, mine are those by ubuntu by default. But do you have other sources to give me for replacing ?
[06:45] <theantix> Sam0r, you want linux-source-
[06:46] <jayeola> Frenchix: yeah, there's one at dag, very good one tooo
[06:46] <theantix> sam0r, kernel-source-* are the ones in universe, linux-source- are the ones in main and probably what you are using
[06:47] <Sam0r> thanks :)
[06:47] <Sam0r> got it now
[06:47] <theantix> no problem :-)
[06:47] <Sam0r> i dno if this is just me
[06:47] <Sam0r> but after i install the drivers for the nvidia cards, my fonts go soo damn small i cant even read them
[06:47] <Sam0r> does that happen to anyone else?
[06:47] <Frenchix> jayeola thanks, I'll tried with those of dag to install synaptic and see if my problem is resilved or not.
[06:48] <jayeola> http://dag.wieers.com/
[06:48] <jayeola> very good too. like at his cv, he started at 8 yeard old!
[06:49] <Kinnison> Does anyone know where nautilus stores the emblem choices for files?
[06:49] <theantix> Sam0r, that happens to me too, not sure how to fix it or why it's happening
[06:49] <Sam0r> i fixed it ages ago
[06:49] <Sam0r> but i forgot how
[06:49] <Sam0r> its a line in x's config file
[06:49] <Sam0r> ah hang on
[06:52] <jayeola> quick poll. how much space do u use for ubuntu and other distros/OS?
[06:52] <jl> 10GB
[06:52] <jl> shared swap partitions
[06:53] <suzan> @jayeola: on my 30gb disk i use 10 gb for windows and 20 gb for ubuntu
[06:53] <phin> so no one knows how to completely remove AA fonts from my system?
[06:53] <Sam0r> 10gb, hdd is only 10gb :(
[06:53] <phin> i want to turn it completely off and remove it
[06:53] <jl> then you have plenty.
[06:54] <jl> :)
[06:54] <jl> i have a 30.
[06:54] <phin> i have ubuntu on a 4 gig
[06:54] <Jovian> wow a lot opf people here
[06:54] <Sam0r> phin: its prolly somthing in the gnome setup, have a look for font smoothing
[06:54] <phin> yes i know that
[06:54] <phin> but i want to remove it completely
[06:54] <phin> so nothing use's it
[06:54] <phin> not gtk, not fluxbox
[06:54] <phin> nothing
[06:54] <jayeola> i only got 10gb on that box 3gb ubuntu/3gb fedora/3gb XP is that about resaonable?
[06:55] <jl> yes.
[06:55] <jl> a new ubuntu install is about 1.6GB
[06:55] <jayeola> could i include source code with my distros?
[06:55] <jl> fedora is about the same unless you install everything.
[06:55] <jl> XP may get a little tight
[06:55] <jayeola> nah - no servers
[06:56] <jayeola> hmm, i don't realllly wanna use XP, but it's work related
[06:56] <jl> well then 3GB for XP should be ok then. 
[06:57] <jayeola> then i'd have to install anti-virus/spyware/blah blah blah....
[06:57] <jl> dont forget, you need to carve out a chunk for use as a swap partition.
[06:57] <jayeola> i only need ont swap patrition though, don't i?
[06:57] <jayeola> i was planning on 700mb
[06:57] <jayeola> -ene- swap
[06:57] <jl> yep, just one is needed.
[06:57] <jl> 700????
[06:58] <jl> thats a lot.
[06:58] <dieman> wow
[06:58] <jl> how much ram in the machine?
[06:58] <dieman> pnp usb mounting is really cool :)
[06:58] <jayeola> 256
[06:58] <theantix> dieman, it rocks :-)
[06:58] <jl> bah... grab 400MB swap
[06:58] <jayeola> ok
[06:59] <jayeola> should i have a /, /usr partition for each distro?
[06:59] <HcE> jayeola: you only need a / for each distro
[07:00] <jayeola> fukc it, i'm gonna go for it.... installing now... fingers crossed
[07:01] <jayeola> man this chan is busy!
[07:02] <Frenchix> jayeola: I use 10 gb for ubuntu & 15gb for archlinux.
[07:02] <jayeola> Frenchix: thanks but it's a 10gb laptop
[07:05] <carlos> sto: hey!
[07:05] <Frenchix> jayeola: it sure 10 gb for a laptop is a restrictive area for windows and linux.
[07:05] <jayeola> Frenchix: so i'm prolly just gonna have two distros, ubuntu and fedora
[07:06] <Jovian> bbiab
[07:08] <Frenchix> jayeola: you can only have 4 primary partitons but you can create one for the / for fedora another for the / of ubuntu, one for a swap using by both and the last one for whatever you want.
[07:08] <Sam0r> oh bollocks
[07:09] <jayeola> Frenchix: seems as if i wont have enuf space for fedora/ubuntu/XP on a 10gb l-top
[07:09] <jayeola> and i also want the source code so that i can compile... i think i'll drop windows and have 400mb swap
[07:10] <hazmat> is there a way to list what files a package installed?
[07:11] <Frenchix> jayeola: the best solution is to replace your hard drive or using only one linus distro.
[07:12] <Sam0r> whats QT?
[07:12] <knarph> I am
[07:12] <jayeola> ?
[07:13] <Sam0r> !!???!11oneone
[07:13] <Kinnison> QT is a toolkit
[07:13] <Sam0r> thought so
[07:13] <Kinnison> GTK is to GNOME as QT is to KDE (ish)
[07:13] <Mitario> what is the default supported Ubuntu RSS agregator?
[07:13] <punkass__> for kde
[07:13] <Sam0r> how do i get it? :/
[07:13] <Sam0r> apt-get install QT doesnt work :/
[07:13] <eazel7> liferea?
[07:13] <Kinnison> Sam0r: apt-get install libqt3c102 ?
[07:14] <punkass__> Sam0r it may be in the universe repository
[07:14] <Kinnison> it'll be in universe almost certainly
[07:14] <Sam0r> wee working
[07:14] <jayeola> Sam0r: why not use synaptic?
[07:14] <Kinnison> oh no; it's in main
[07:14] <Sam0r> because im thick
[07:14] <jayeola> u could then search for it with gui search thingy....
[07:14] <punkass> really? thats kinda suprising
[07:15] <theantix> Mitario, it's not supported but liferea works well (in universe)
[07:15] <Sam0r> in text mode?
[07:15] <punkass> mmmm....gui search thing
[07:15] <Mitario> ok, thanks, brb
[07:15] <punkass> y
[07:15] <jayeola> yeah, synaptic is a graphical apt
[07:15] <Sam0r> oh great that libqt3c102 kinda just ballsed everything up
[07:16] <jayeola> oh good, ubuntu is on da 2.6.8 kernel :)
[07:16] <Sam0r> have fun recompiling the kerel
[07:16] <Sam0r> you need shitloads of stuff installed
[07:17] <Sam0r> then when u install QT it kills make
[07:17] <Sam0r> lol thanks for telling me
[07:17] <jayeola> ;/
[07:18] <Sam0r> how do you config the kernel in text mode?
[07:18] <eazel7> make menuconfig
[07:18] <Sam0r> thats the one
[07:18] <Sam0r> cheers
[07:18] <jayeola> cd /usr/src/
[07:18] <eazel7> ^.^
[07:18] <jayeola> make config
[07:18] <jayeola> make menuconfig
[07:19] <jayeola> what eazel7 said, but do it in the right directory... 
[07:19] <Sam0r> mmm now i need ncurses-devel
[07:19] <jayeola> what are u trying to do Sam0r ?
[07:19] <Sam0r> recompile the kernel with bootsplash
[07:19] <eazel7> jayeola, sorry, I supposed he was there
[07:20] <eazel7> but it's not in /usr/src
[07:20] <Sam0r> what isnt
[07:20] <jayeola> k, didn't think that u had to recompile to do that
[07:20] <eazel7> once you download the kernel-source
[07:20] <eazel7> you move to /usr/src
[07:20] <Sam0r> im not stipod
[07:20] <Sam0r> stupid*
[07:20] <Sam0r> its allready there.
[07:20] <Frenchix> A little poll about gnome with ubuntu. the 2.8 version is steel very young. I will have a try with ubuntu for that. What's your point of view about it ?
[07:20] <jayeola> that is where u do yr compiliing .... /usr/src/
[07:21] <eazel7> Sam0r, well, let me finish correcting what jayeola said xDDD
[07:21] <sto> carlos: hi
[07:22] <Sam0r> eazel7: you recompile the kernel in /usr/src/linux (or linux-kernel blah blah)
[07:22] <jayeola> yeah
[07:22] <jayeola> that's what i meant... doh!
[07:22] <eazel7> Sam0r, dah dah dah
[07:22] <Sam0r> eazel7: dum de dum
[07:22] <eazel7> Sam0r, tiki groovy mine galia
[07:23] <Sam0r> eazel7: foad
[07:23] <eazel7> Sam0r, burrrrrrrrrrrp
[07:23] <Sam0r> eazel7: shut up.
[07:23] <eazel7> xDDDDDD
[07:25] <Frenchix> That's all folks :-X
[07:25] <Sam0r> o_0
[07:26] <tberman> tseng: ping
[07:28] <Tomcat_> Can anybody tell me what package "dig" is in?
[07:29] <Kamion> Tomcat_: dnsutils
[07:34] <hre> so my ibm t40p doesn't shutdown properly (no poweroff). i seem to recall that you have to set CONFIG_X86_UP_APIC=n in the kernel .config. Fedora works. Any chances Ubuntu changes this kernel-option by default?
[07:34] <Tomcat_> Thanks, that worked.
[07:35] <psyklops> I'm having some strange problems...
[07:35] <psyklops> I just got disconnected and was unable to get my network back up until I restarted...
[07:36] <psyklops> and then when my system came back up, X wouldn't start
[07:36] <jono-writing> is NTFS read/write available in Linux?
[07:36] <Tomcat_> jono-writing: With captive-ntfs, read/write yes... the usual kernels got ntfs reading.
[07:36] <psyklops> I disabled using the nvidia drivers (that I just installed) in XF86Config-4 but I don't know why they won't work now
[07:37] <jono-writing> what is captive-ntfs?
[07:37] <Tomcat_> jono-writing: A program using the Win2k/XP ntfs.sys to provide write access to NTFS disks.
[07:38] <jono-writing> Tomcat_,  is it userspace?
[07:38] <Tomcat_> No idea... I have never used it, tried it only once.
[07:39] <jono-writing> ahhh cool
[07:39] <jono-writing> thanks for that :)
[07:39] <Frenchix> An information, I've already tested captive-ntfs. You need lufs driver to use & access NTFS drives. It's working but it is very slow when you make a tranfert.
[07:40] <stockholm> Frenchix: are there debian install packages?
[07:40] <psyklops> whoa... dmesg is showing tons of blocked blocked packets...
[07:40] <plovs> jayeola, you sent one more screenshot but I missed it can you write it again?
[07:41] <jayeola> jayeola.org/dump/ubuntu-shot.png
[07:41] <psyklops> ... proxyscan.freenode.net
[07:41] <Frenchix> Stockholm; Dont know for debian cause I've tested it with archlinux sorry !:-/
[07:42] <stockholm> Frenchix: what is archlinux?
[07:42] <neighborlee> knarph, heh yeah..dosbox is kewl..i use it to run dos game which is similar to sim games and is called: HR2 ( tower simulation from pure solid building logic as opposed to 'design' )
[07:43] <psyklops> why is freenode scanning ports?
[07:43] <psyklops> nevermind
[07:46] <Frenchix> stockholm; Archlinux is a binary meta packages linux oriented. packages are compiled with i686 optimization and use a packages manager named 'pacman'. More info to www.archlinux.org it's a  good distro with a very well packages manager. it's oriented for power users. 
[07:48] <Frenchix> Hi lucas what about grenable ?
[07:50] <flopper> hola!
[07:51] <neighborlee> flopper, hi ;-0
[07:51] <Frenchix> Hi flopper!
[07:51] <flopper> :)
[07:52] <FX|Laptop> Hidy Ho
[07:52] <FX|Laptop> Wondering if anyone could give me a hand with mounting my pen drive.
[07:52] <jayeola> usb?
[07:52] <FX|Laptop> this is the line I have in my fstab......
[07:52] <FX|Laptop> yes.
[07:52] <FX|Laptop> /dev/sda 	/mnt/usbstick 	vfat 	noauto,user 	0 	0
[07:52] <theantix> fx, if it doesn't mount in "disks" automatically it's a bug
[07:52] <tberman> FX|Laptop: you shouldnt need a line in your fstab
[07:53] <jayeola> dmesg | grep sd
[07:53] <FX|Laptop> hmmmm ok tberman.
[07:53] <jayeola> what does that say?
[07:53] <FX|Laptop> Buffer I/O error on device sda1, logical block 508378384
[07:54] <jayeola> hmm
[07:54] <FX|Laptop> Theres a long list, don't want to flood.
[07:54] <Frenchix> I've heard about debian's packages for the upcomming XFCE4 release ( CVS packages ). Any info about that ? XFCE4 is another great desktop manager and lighter then gnome.
[07:54] <jayeola> FX|Laptop: paste the results in #flood
[07:54] <FX|Laptop> Ok
[07:56] <FX|Laptop> jayeola, how about a pm with it pasted?
[07:56] <jayeola> no, not needed
[07:57] <jayeola> where did u get that line in fstab?
[07:57] <FX|Laptop> eeeek wrong X to click on. lol
[07:57] <JohanH> where can I get glib-gettextize for ubuntu?
[07:57] <ish> Are there any decent IPtables helper tools?
[07:58] <Deft> ish: firestarter?
[07:58] <tardmac> ish: fireflier
[07:59] <jayeola> FX|Laptop: i don't think u need to have a line for usb devices in fstab, but others will correct me, right guys?
[07:59] <plovs> does anybody know a command-line tool that will show copy-progress (like wget)
[07:59] <jayeola> cp -v
[07:59] <FX|Laptop> I didn't think I did. I thought that it was suppose to auto mount with hal.
[07:59] <plovs> jayeola, FX|Laptop, no need for line in fstab it should be autoimatic
[07:59] <Deft> jayeola: you're right
[08:00] <jayeola> FX|Laptop: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/
[08:00] <jayeola> then mount /mnt/
[08:01] <jayeola> but 'dmesg | grep sd' should show u what the box can detect
[08:01] <jayeola> FX|Laptop: you might want to comment that line out and reinsert that device
[08:02] <RuffianSoldier> hello
[08:02] <jayeola> but try that  mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/; mount /mnt/ first an dtell us what happens
[08:02] <FX|Laptop> I removed that line jayeola
[08:02] <FX|Laptop> joe@laptop /mnt $ sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[08:02] <FX|Laptop> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[08:02] <jayeola> i said comment it, but never mind....
[08:03] <Deft> FX|Laptop: you need mount -t auto or something
[08:03] <jayeola> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/ ? did u do that extactly?
[08:03] <RuffianSoldier> So does KDE work with Ubuntu or not?
[08:04] <FX|Laptop> I get the same thing. I must specify a filesystem type.
[08:04] <Frenchix> Oh no !:'( I've just found that I can't no more link a terminal to open directory with nautilus. It is possible with gnome 2.6 but apparently not with gnome 2.8.
[08:04] <Deft> try -t vfat then
[08:04] <jayeola> ok try 'source /etc/ftsab'
[08:04] <jayeola> may need to sudo that command
[08:04] <Sam0r> oh yeah, to the guy that had really small fonts after installing the nvidia drivers: put 'DisplaySize 270 200' into your X11 Config file, under the monitor section
[08:05] <flopper> I have some problem with the video card (ATI 128 Pro 32MB).. there's a continuos vibration on the image. Someone has the same hardware?
[08:05] <FX|Laptop> joe@laptop /mnt $ sudo  mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/ -t fat
[08:05] <FX|Laptop> mount: fs type fat not supported by kerne
[08:05] <Sam0r> flopper: isnt that usually the screens problem?
[08:06] <Frenchix> Anyone has ever tried to install ATI driver for 9700 pro ?
[08:07] <flopper> Sam0r, no I test the screen with other PC buntu powered and all was ok
[08:07] <jayeola> FX|Laptop: is this a usb device?
[08:07] <FX|Laptop> yes sir
[08:08] <jayeola> um normally i would do this.....
[08:08] <jayeola> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/
[08:08] <jayeola> mount /mnt/
[08:08] <Sam0r> flopper: hmm... duno, ati suck ass anyway, buy a nvidia card.
[08:08] <Sam0r> :)
[08:08] <jayeola> and u see the files on that device
[08:09] <Deft> you must either have an fs type on the command line, or have an fstab entry
[08:09] <flopper> Sam0r, next time ;)
[08:09] <Deft> with project utopia, you don't use mount, you use pmount, although you never see it
[08:10] <jayeola> so how much space does ubuntu take, with all of the source code?
[08:10] <neighborlee> Sam0r, their drivers are supposedly getting better but yeah..nvidia rocks from all i've seen and heard from users..there actualy are new ati drivers out as of yesterday I think
[08:10] <jayeola> 3gb?
[08:11] <jayeola> and should i have swap space as a primary partition?
[08:11] <Deft> jayeola: shouldn't matter
[08:11] <jayeola> thanks!
[08:12] <jayeola> trying a dual boot with fedora/ubuntu on another machine
[08:13] <RuffianSoldier> im install Ubuntu for the first time
[08:13] <RuffianSoldier> im a big fan of Debian based Distros
[08:13] <RuffianSoldier> I didnt really like Debian 3 though
[08:13] <FX|Laptop> brb
[08:14] <jayeola> is 400mb of swap ok for a laptop with 256 ram/ 10gb harddrive?
[08:14] <theantix> RuffianSoldier, it's still good for servers
[08:16] <jayeola> ok, for dual booting should *grub* be on the mbr or 1st sector of boot partition?
[08:16] <neighborlee> hey all..is there a linux app similar to M$ publisher that has 'templates' for like mailable pamplets..what i'm looking for is a foldout pamplet..like three section foldout..(i've looked in oo but i'm not seeing any such templates )...thx ;-))
[08:17] <RuffianSoldier> Lol, i have so many OS CDs
[08:17] <RuffianSoldier> its silly
[08:17] <jayeola> me too
[08:17] <jayeola> new kernel new ccd
[08:17] <RuffianSoldier> thats what happends when i get a 50 pack of CDrs, and a highspeed internet connection
[08:19] <neighborlee> RuffianSoldier, heh we all resemble that remark LOL
[08:19] <jayeola> *ahem* i prefer distros that put as much as poss onto one cd <dives for cover>
[08:20] <RuffianSoldier> i wont mind 2 cds, but 4? thats just wrong........
[08:20] <RuffianSoldier> one of the things i dont like about slackware
[08:20] <neighborlee> jayeola, yeah true that makes it nice
[08:21] <jayeola> main main distro uses this philosophy (just one cd)
[08:21] <Sam0r> yay! my custom bootsplash kernel is compiling!
[08:21] <jayeola> that's why i'm happy to try ubuntu...
[08:21] <RuffianSoldier> Linus, he uses mandrake
[08:21] <RuffianSoldier> bleh
[08:21] <RuffianSoldier> i prefer SuSe
[08:21] <jayeola> mandrake = 10 cd's wtf??
[08:21] <RuffianSoldier> if its not Debian based
[08:21] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[08:22] <Sam0r> i have no be honest, i think ubuntu is pretty good
[08:22] <stockholm> RuffianSoldier: suse is debian based, too.
[08:22] <Sam0r> cuz every problem ive had ive fixed it
[08:22] <RuffianSoldier> Suse is debian based???/
[08:22] <RuffianSoldier> AWESOME!
[08:22] <stockholm> RuffianSoldier: everything is debian, at some point (c:
[08:22] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[08:22] <jayeola> my isp aint the best, so d-loading iso images is frowned upon my my isp
[08:22] <tberman> uh
[08:23] <RuffianSoldier> i would not mind running Gentoo
[08:23] <stockholm> well, go for it!
[08:23] <neighborlee> Sam0r, same here..only trouble i've really had so far was a library not compiling..but doing some searching in a makefile and installing 'alex' fixed it all up nice so now i'm free to continue using my favorite distro <G>..it really is setting great new trends with project utopia I think ;-)
[08:24] <stockholm> RuffianSoldier: have you tried syslinux allready? it is really neat, too
[08:24] <Sam0r> anyone know where i can get 'make-kpkg'?
[08:24] <neighborlee> RuffianSoldier, yeah do what I do and use a few different partitions ;-)
[08:24] <RuffianSoldier> no, i havenot
[08:24] <stockholm> RuffianSoldier: rather hard core, though.
[08:24] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[08:24] <Frenchix> Hey what about LFS ( Linux from scratch ) all distro are not debian based !
[08:24] <RuffianSoldier> i just started using linux a couple of months ago
[08:24] <jayeola> mee too
[08:24] <stockholm> Frenchix: yes, true.
[08:24] <neighborlee> Frenchix, thats the long hard way of doing things but a good learning experience of course ;-00
[08:24] <Sam0r> ive been running it for bout 3 years
[08:25] <Sam0r> but i wouldnt say useing it cuz i dont use it as my primary os
[08:25] <Sam0r> unless mac os x counts as linux..
[08:25] <jayeola> ?
[08:25] <neighborlee> snicker
[08:25] <RuffianSoldier> thast UNIX
[08:25] <thom> counts as a unix, not linux
[08:25] <ik5pvx> Sam0r, it's contained in kernel-package
[08:25] <Sam0r> i know:)
[08:25] <Sam0r> is it?
[08:25] <neighborlee> Sam0r, heh sorta..it does use linux technology heh
[08:25] <Sam0r> cheers
[08:25] <RuffianSoldier> My primary OS is XP, but thats cuz im a hard core PC gamer, and i hate consoles
[08:25] <RuffianSoldier> But i love LInux the best
[08:25] <Sam0r> i love my xbox for games
[08:25] <RuffianSoldier> i also have a G3 running Mac OS 9.2
[08:26] <RuffianSoldier> turn you xbox into a linux box
[08:26] <jayeola> i'm thinking of going back to doze for just the sake of my minidisc
[08:26] <neighborlee> Sam0r, and there is apt being working on for macosX I think
[08:26] <Sam0r> i have a g5 imac, a g4 cube and a g3 powermac all running panther
[08:26] <jayeola> minidiscs use this horrid atract file system - nasty!
[08:26] <Sam0r> lol
[08:27] <jayeola> i can mount it ( the minidisc) ok, but i can't write read.... 
[08:27] <Sam0r> i'd love to have a minidisc drive for my pc
[08:27] <Sam0r> if you get what i mean
[08:27] <RuffianSoldier> Im on my G3 right now, but its a black and white one, and it has to built in USB, so i cant run OSX
[08:28] <Sam0r> u can run os x on it
[08:28] <Frenchix> atract file system are not recognize by linux. send a message to SONY.
[08:28] <Sam0r> theres a boot cd that emulates usb 
[08:28] <RuffianSoldier> i did bump it up to 256 of RAM the other day
[08:28] <Sam0r> then u boot your mac os x install cd from their os
[08:29] <jayeola> if i could hack that bloody atract - i'd be rich :$$
[08:29] <RuffianSoldier> heheheheh
[08:29] <jayeola> but mind u, SONY are now gonna have mp3 into there new devices
[08:30] <jayeola> they now realise that mp3 is da way ta go and that atract sux!
[08:30] <Frenchix> like SONY !
[08:30] <jayeola> but atract sucks
[08:30] <Sam0r> yeah sony do kinda suck
[08:30] <jayeola> betamax....
[08:30] <jayeola> sony memory sticks.....
[08:31] <RuffianSoldier> that would be lame
[08:31] <RuffianSoldier> i hate sony
[08:31] <Frenchix> atract sucks with linux but the sound is better than mp3.
[08:32] <Sam0r> *looks at his iPod and smiles*
[08:32] <jayeola> ipod? 200 for  40gb??? 
[08:32] <Sam0r> i wouldntve bought it if i couldnt get it for 50 quid ;)
[08:32] <plovs> jayeola: both ways should work
[08:32] <Sam0r> its only a 20gig one tho
[08:33] <RuffianSoldier> i dont know what i would do with 40 GIGS of music.......
[08:33] <RuffianSoldier> i go with 5
[08:33] <RuffianSoldier> 40 is way to much
[08:33] <Sam0r> i think i have bout 10gb of music
[08:33] <Frenchix> Ipod wath that ? an apple proprietary technologie ?
[08:33] <Sam0r> all of its on the ipod and pc
[08:33] <jayeola> ipods = good idea + greedy price
[08:34] <Frenchix> No ipod = give me your money and stay with me !
[08:34] <jayeola> if i could use use the minidisc with linux, i'd be soooo happy
[08:37] <Sam0r> do you use an app to upload songs to it on windows/
[08:37] <RuffianSoldier> my mom brought me a linux mag with Gentoo CDs! SWEET!
[08:38] <Sam0r> lol geek..
[08:39] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[08:39] <Sam0r> that is seriously sad
[08:40] <RuffianSoldier> why
[08:40] <Sam0r> because lol
[08:40] <Sam0r> you actually got your mom to buy u a linux mag
[08:40] <dickmorrell> greetings
[08:40] <Sam0r> omg hi2u
[08:41] <dickmorrell> omg ?
[08:41] <Sam0r> oh my god!
[08:41] <dickmorrell> yes I know
[08:41] <dickmorrell> why omg ?
[08:41] <dickmorrell> tis moi
[08:41] <dickmorrell> why the shock
[08:41] <Sam0r> it was a joke..
[08:41] <dickmorrell> lol good I'm glad their is humour in the community
[08:41] <dickmorrell> saves on good drugs
[08:41] <Sam0r> its a parody of geeks when a girl comes on a forum, and half of them say 'omg hi2u'
[08:41] <dickmorrell> if you're calling me a girl ??
[08:41] <dickmorrell> lol
[08:42] <Sam0r> lol nah
[08:42] <Sam0r> i say it all the time:)
[08:42] <dickmorrell> I think a few million Linux users might point out I'm hardly a girl more hairyassed codemonkey
[08:42] <Sam0r> lol 
[08:42] <dickmorrell> Well today I took a day off from writing a new book on Linux Security
[08:42] <dickmorrell> I sit down over breakfast start surfing away
[08:43] <dickmorrell> and you guys fuck my day entirely
[08:43] <dickmorrell> bang went all adult work
[08:43] <Kinnison> We're good at that.
[08:43] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[08:43] <dickmorrell> out came 2 PCs
[08:43] <Sam0r> lol!
[08:43] <dickmorrell> on went the ISO
[08:43] <dickmorrell> now you can call O'Reilly and tell them why I didnt get the chapter finished today
[08:43] <Sam0r> lol
[08:44] <dickmorrell> so its dark now
[08:44] <dickmorrell> a whole day has gone and I've not had so much fun
[08:44] <dickmorrell> playing with a distro in 2 yrs
[08:44] <Kinnison> coo; it *is* dark now.
[08:44] <dickmorrell> the daystar has receded
[08:44] <dickmorrell> tis safe to go out
[08:44] <dickmorrell> wouldnt want to get a tan
[08:44] <Kinnison> it burns.
[08:45] <occy> Kinnison: you lie, it is light out!
[08:45] <occy> heh
[08:45] <dickmorrell> occy: timezone dude ?
[08:45] <occy> heh thought we were in joking mode
[08:45] <dickmorrell> we are
[08:45] <occy> est
[08:45] <dickmorrell> right so can anyone tell me
[08:45] <dickmorrell> why CUPS is buggered in a default install
[08:46] <dickmorrell> in that you can't actually print..
[08:46] <dickmorrell> or dont seem able to
[08:46] <dickmorrell> to either local or say tcp/ip jetdirect
[08:46] <occy> haven't set that up yet on these boxes.
[08:46] <dieman> it 'wfm'
[08:46] <dieman> works for me
[08:46] <dickmorrell> weird need to debug
[08:48] <dickmorrell> weird nope nothing
[08:48] <dickmorrell> loads of other linux clients printing away happily in Debian and Mandrake
[08:48] <dieman> ive been busy getting all our printers into cups
[08:48] <dickmorrell> yeah I love cups
[08:48] <dickmorrell> 2 yr veteran
[08:49] <dieman> yeah, i wish we used it for our printserver but the solaris admin had nothing but trouble so we still use lprng.
[08:49] <dieman> im going to setup cups on the clients to print to lprng
[08:49] <dickmorrell> thats the problem I have
[08:49] <dickmorrell> I have like $30m of Solaris hardware at the office
[08:49] <dickmorrell> and I'm like... hmmm I made a living from Linux
[08:49] <dickmorrell> why dont you let me use it
[08:50] <dickmorrell> I am actually deploying 8000 Linux desktop thin clients at min using centralised CUPs servers running on Dell gear
[08:50] <dickmorrell> should be a lot easier to manage than lprng
[08:51] <occy> dickmorrell: need to hire someone?  occy.net/resume :)
[08:51] <gommans> Why does ubuntu not add the windows partitions to fstab by default?
[08:51] <dickmorrell> occy: I am always hiring in fact I have 4 roles at the min
[08:52] <occy> dickmorrell: take a quick look at the resume... It should be interesting if nothing else.
[08:52] <dickmorrell> ok you'll find info on me at www.dickmorrell.com 
[08:52] <dickmorrell> or www.dickmorrell.com/press/
[08:52] <occy> that and 50 cents won't get me coffee anymore though.
[08:52] <dickmorrell> ah I gave up coffee
[08:52] <dickmorrell> made me aggressive
[08:53] <occy> never drank it... but. ;)
[08:53] <dickmorrell> best way
[08:53] <dickmorrell> makes you more social
[08:53] <dickmorrell> I dont approve
[08:53] <occy> dickmorrell: you might recognize a few sites I've started from my resume
[08:54] <dickmorrell> occy: cool I am in Atlanta 30th Oct - 4th Nov
[08:54] <dickmorrell> if you want to get together and chew the fat
[08:54] <occy> dickmorrell: that'd be great 
[08:54] <dickmorrell> coming over to give some talks on OpenSource and Spam
[08:54] <dickmorrell> dude did you work for VA too ?
[08:54] <occy> heh, you worked at VA?
[08:54] <occy> haha
[08:54] <dickmorrell> trae
[08:54] <occy> who didn't?
[08:54] <dickmorrell> fuck me
[08:55] <dickmorrell> I didnt put two and two together
[08:55] <occy> dickmorrell: hehe
[08:55] <dickmorrell> I just posted a job advert on Evals
[08:55] <dickmorrell> go look.. 
[08:55] <occy> dickmorrell: mind if I msg you please?
[08:55] <dickmorrell> nope
[08:56] <Kamion> gommans: 'cos I haven't implemented it yet :-) It's on my bug list ...
[08:56] <gommans> ok!
[08:57] <cubeness> i didnt work at VA
[08:57] <cubeness> eheh
[08:57] <gommans> I had ubuntu on my machine yesterday, but I could not get dsl started, so I but back my mepis-backup.
[08:58] <gommans> There was noone here that could help me, so I had to give up (I needed a working system).
[08:59] <cubeness> gommans, i have found it to be well worth finding yourself a little dsl router box.. then you never have to worry about connectios and such in any OS you should choose..
[09:00] <stevedeo> Anyone know if there is some cool ubuntu swag yet?
[09:01] <dickmorrell> cubeness, or run 
[09:01] <dickmorrell> something like ipcop/smoothwall or preferable M0n0wall
[09:01] <dickmorrell> or one of the cool embedded devices I wrote 
[09:01] <dickmorrell> like the Edimax or 3com DSL routers
[09:01] <cubeness> out of curiousity, is ubuntu going to have funky little "hold my hand" gui configs for samba, etc?
[09:02] <gommans> cubeness, I have a dsl-modem that works as a dhcp-server and it is connected using ethernet, so I never had problems before (except with mdk 10)!
[09:02] <cubeness> gommans, the modem does the connting for you and you jack into like any old router?
[09:02] <cubeness> connecting
[09:03] <offray> Hi all
[09:04] <stevedeo> Hrm. I haven't actually upgraded this box since I installed. Which is recommended for ubuntu - upgrade or dist-upgrade?
[09:04] <juliusmalch> hello, I've tryed to install kernel 2.6.8 i686 smp, but when I reboot my machine my ps2 keyboard and my usb mouse does not work
[09:05] <Kamion> stevedeo: if upgrade doesn't report any packages "held back", then there's no difference; if it does; try dist-upgrade :-)
[09:05] <pisuke> stevedeo, i'm using dist-upgrade without any problems since beta so far
[09:06] <juliusmalch> should I append any particular boot option?
[09:06] <stevedeo> pisuke/Kamion: Cool, thanks
[09:07] <stevedeo> Haha... I'm used to all this new synaptic terminology: Is "to be not upgraded" (ack... who wrote that?) equivalent to "held back"?
[09:08] <juliusmalch> anyone please?
[09:09] <Sam0r> no
[09:13] <Kinnison> not upgraded simply means that you didn't select to upgrade it
[09:13] <stevedeo> Kinnison: Thanks
[09:13] <dickmorrell> weird still cant print
[09:13] <dickmorrell> how strange
[09:13] <akra> ello all.. Can anyone help me understand a font issue?
[09:14] <Sam0r> let me guess
[09:14] <Kinnison> dickmorrell: can't print from the ubuntu machine; or to the ubuntu machine from elsewhere?
[09:14] <Sam0r> u installed the nvidia drivers...
[09:14] <Sam0r> then ur fonts went mega small
[09:14] <akra> lol - not quite. though you are right about the nvidia driver :)
[09:14] <Sam0r> whats up with the fonts then/
[09:15] <akra> look at http://www.britlore.co.uk/ in firefox. The menu text is too big as each one should fit between the black lines
[09:15] <dickmorrell> akra your firefox settings
[09:15] <akra> it works fine in Firefox in windows, so I'm assuming that it's a font thing?
[09:15] <dickmorrell> under edit preferences
[09:15] <Sam0r> works fine on mac too
[09:15] <dickmorrell> just change your fonts
[09:16] <dickmorrell> or download static tar.gz for Debian 
[09:16] <dickmorrell> from www.opera.com
[09:16] <dickmorrell> and install in root shell
[09:16] <supergear> ugly old opera
[09:16] <dickmorrell> far better than Firefox
[09:16] <dickmorrell> its not old..
[09:16] <dickmorrell> horses for courses
[09:16] <supergear> ok
[09:16] <akra> the menus on britlore.co.uk don't work in opera due to some poor css handling
[09:16] <supergear> ugly opera
[09:16] <dickmorrell> lol
[09:17] <henry-> hi, how do i become root to place some pluggins into the xchat floder please. i tried copy/paste from floppy to the folder but it told me off 
[09:17] <supergear> firefox/mozilla be the best atm
[09:17] <akra> see http://www.the-allens.net/csstest/visible.htm for a test case
[09:17] <Sam0r> sudo -s
[09:17] <Sam0r> when it asks for password, stick yours in (the one you put in on the install for your username)
[09:17] <supergear> Ubuntu seems nice
[09:17] <dickmorrell> it is
[09:17] <dickmorrell> I really like it
[09:17] <dickmorrell> 3 hrs in
[09:17] <dickmorrell> convert
[09:17] <akra> actually, I see that I last tested with 7.2.. isn't there a later version now ?
[09:17] <supergear> I just installed it :O
[09:18] <Sam0r> it'd seem nice ifi could actually get into gnome..
[09:18] <supergear> Gnome is nice
[09:18] <supergear> mich better than KDE
[09:18] <akra> so far, I've been very impressed with ubuntu - except it didn't find my graphics card and thought it was a SIS one...
[09:18] <dickmorrell> KDE 
[09:18] <dickmorrell> lol
[09:18] <dickmorrell> I have spent 6 yrs at Linux shows
[09:18] <dickmorrell> with people including Linus
[09:18] <dickmorrell> sabotaging their stands
[09:18] <supergear> cool, dickmorrell
[09:18] <supergear> want a brownie?
[09:19] <dickmorrell> how old are you lol
[09:19] <supergear> :P
[09:19] <housetier> sabotage? how?
[09:19] <dickmorrell> I think somewhere in Frankfurt
[09:19] <dickmorrell> there is a KDE drago
[09:19] <dickmorrell> floating in a river
[09:19] <dickmorrell> dragon
[09:19] <dickmorrell> held hostage stolen while we were manning the VA Linux Sourceforge stand
[09:20] <jayeola_brb> gah! grub has fukced up!
[09:20] <bad_ronald> Hmm, does anyone know how to change the preferences for whether or not an icon for mounted drives appears on the desktop... I just edited fstab to read my ntfs partition, and I don't know how to remove the drive icon from my desktop...
[09:20] <supergear> oi I gotta edit grub
[09:20] <supergear> for freebsd
[09:21] <gommans> cubeness: nope, it is connected to the telephone line and it simply works normally.
[09:21] <bad_ronald> I wrote this line to fstab if it helps: "/dev/hda1       /mnt/win        ntfs    users,owner,ro,umask=000  0       0"
[09:21] <jayeola_brb> bad_ronald: something like 'emblems'
[09:22] <bad_ronald> from the mounted drive icon's right click menu? or somewhere else?
[09:22] <Deft> bad_ronald: it's in the nautilus section in gconf, /apps/nautilus/desktop or something
[09:22] <jayeola_brb> can't remember but it's a gui/graphical thing
[09:22] <akra> am I right in thinking that if I hit "mark all upgrades" and then "apply" in synaptic that I effectively have a system as up to date as if I had downloaded the latest nightly cd image ?
[09:22] <Deft> although, the only icons it should show are those mounted user or users
[09:23] <jayeola_brb> oh shti, grub's dead -
[09:23] <Deft> which you don't need unless you want to mount them without root...
[09:24] <bad_ronald> Sorry, so I should change the word "users" in the ntfs line of fstab to what exactly?
[09:24] <bad_ronald> my username or root?
[09:25] <Deft> if you don't need to mount or unmount it often, you don't needs users at all; that's only really for removable things as a rule
[09:26] <bad_ronald> So I can just delete it, and leave the <options> starting with owner,ro... ?
[09:26] <akra> is SME server from contribs.org still current enough to set up  a "fit and forget" mail and file server or is there a better solution nowadays?
[09:27] <Deft> bad_ronald: yes
[09:27] <bad_ronald> thanks
[09:28] <will> hi i get error FATAL ERROR: Bad logical partition 6: enlarged logical partitions overlap when i run cfdisk how can i rectify this???
[09:29] <akra> I really really wish that "open containing folder" in firefox's download folder would open a nautilus window !
[09:30] <Se7h> one thing
[09:30] <Se7h> im a few seconds from changing my GC
[09:30] <Se7h> will ubuntu recognize the new one?
[09:30] <will> the new what?
[09:31] <Se7h> grafics card
[09:31] <will> what are u talking about?
[09:31] <Se7h> erm
[09:31] <Se7h> im going to change my grafics card
[09:32] <Se7h> thats it
[09:32] <RuffianSoldier> WOW! This is the cleanest install (Ubuntu is) of a Distro i ever had!
[09:32] <dickmorrell> its amazing..
[09:32] <Se7h> will ubuntu recognize it ?
[09:32] <Deft> Se7h: it won't change the driver in XF86Config-4 automatically
[09:32] <Se7h> ah ok
[09:32] <Se7h> so
[09:33] <Se7h> a xf86config
[09:33] <Se7h> will do it
[09:33] <Se7h> right?
[09:33] <Deft> well, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 would be easier
[09:33] <sander_> another flawless install! At least so far. :)
[09:33] <will> hi i get error 'FATAL ERROR: Bad logical partition 6: enlarged logical partitions overlap' when i run cfdisk how can i rectify this???
[09:33] <bad_ronald> hmm... I eliminated the "users" string from the dev/hda1 line, but the icon for the ntfs partition still appears on the desktop...  what I wrote in fstab from <options> to the end of the line is: "owner,ro,umask=000  0       0"; what should I eliminate?
[09:33] <sander_> Anyone used Evolution 2 to connect to Exchange?
[09:34] <bad_ronald> I tried logging out first
[09:34] <Deft> will: fdisk will work
[09:34] <Deft> bad_ronald: what's the "owner" option supposed to do?
[09:34] <akra> are the mailing list archives searchable?
[09:34] <Se7h> ok
[09:34] <Se7h> but since i want to change partitions size
[09:34] <Se7h> i think im going to reinstall ubuntu
[09:35] <Se7h> ok
[09:35] <Se7h> brb when im done
[09:35] <jayeola> i am already re-installing :(
[09:35] <bad_ronald> I'm not sure, I've mounted my ntfs partition temporarily from the CLI before, but this is the first time I've edited fstab, I just read it on some linux-help forum...
[09:35] <bad_ronald> I know ro = read-only, but that's about it
[09:36] <jayeola> rw=read/write
[09:36] <Deft> bad_ronald: I've never tried for ntfs, but I don't see why you need "owner," whatever it is...
[09:36] <akra> apt is quite cool
[09:36] <Sam0r> if i make a fully graphican bootloader kernel and package etc so all you need to do is install the new kernel, then run the shell script to copy the boot splash onto the system, who would use it?
[09:36] <Deft> bad_ronald: for vfat, I use "gid=staff,uid=root,umask=003", which works fine
[09:37] <bad_ronald> Is staff the default group I.D. for Ubuntu?
[09:38] <will> when i use fdisk i get= 'You will not be able to write the partition table. Unable to read /dev/hdc
[09:38] <bad_ronald> OH, I found a gui option...nevermind but thanks for the help
[09:38] <Sam0r> http://www.bootsplash.de/files/themes/screenshots/Theme-SwirlPool-silent.png <-- nice debian boot theme
[09:39] <bad_ronald> It was mounting fine, it was just the icon that was a problem...
[09:39] <Deft> will: you need to be root, so sudo fdisk /dev/...
[09:39] <BluMax> When U install Unbuntu, what is the default password for "root". I wish to login as root and have a desktop 
[09:39] <Deft> BluMax: root account is disabled (no password)
[09:40] <will> im logged in as root!
[09:40] <will> on the terminal
[09:40] <akra> is that faq frequent enough to be on the home page of ubuntulinux.org ?  :)
[09:40] <Deft> akra: I think it is...
[09:40] <BluMax> root has an account on my machine by default
[09:40] <Deft> BluMax: on ubuntu, it is not possible to log in as root with the default setup
[09:42] <BluMax> hmmm.... i am new to deb and want to install Midnight Commander. I have download'ed it and it is on my desktop. How do I get Synaptic to install it ??
[09:42] <RichNRockville> ? does anyone run ubuntu on Microsoft's Virtual PC?  I have it installed but the video is not set to 1600x800 and I know the screen icons are there but the cursor and icons are all bit's not together. (I'm a real nubie at this)
[09:43] <Deft> BluMax: what have you downloaded? a tarball?
[09:43] <BluMax> no a ".deb" file
[09:44] <jayeola> BluMax: i installed an mc from here...http://dag.wieers.com/
[09:44] <jayeola> midnight commander rules!
[09:44] <RuffianSoldier> HOw long is the regestering of hte documentation part of the install take??????
[09:44] <Deft> BluMax: synaptic doesn't do debs directly; you either get it from an apt archive, or use sudo dpkg -i lkjasd.deb on the command line
[09:44] <RuffianSoldier> oh
[09:44] <RuffianSoldier> its done
[09:45] <BluMax> ok thanks for now
[09:45] <akra> isn't mc in universe?
[09:47] <RichNRockville> ? does anyone run ubuntu on Microsoft's Virtual PC?  I have it installed but the video is  set to 1600x800 and I know the screen icons are there but the cursor and icons are all bit's not together. (I'm a real nubie at this)  I have gone into the ctrl alt f2 and executed sudo nano -w /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and the video modes are all 1024x768 which is acceptable. I would even go for 600x800 if that is the only thing av
[09:48] <BluMax> does dpkg -i lkjasd check for all dependecies?
[09:48] <Sam0r> RichNRockville email me your xf86 config file to sam AT trippie DOT co DOT  uk
[09:48] <Deft> BluMax: it will refuse to install if there are unmet dependencies
[09:48] <Sam0r> and i'll email it back edited with the right shit
[09:49] <BluMax> thanks again
[09:49] <RuffianSoldier> my xserver is acting up!
[09:50] <RichNRockville> thanks samOr will try to get the file to you..
[09:50] <RuffianSoldier> MY XSERVER IS ACTING PU
[09:50] <RuffianSoldier> UP
[09:51] <akra> I've fixed my font problem in firefox by installing the ms core fonts. Presumably there's a better way though
[09:51] <Deft> RuffianSoldier: how?
[09:51] <RuffianSoldier> its not starting
[09:51] <RuffianSoldier> i even congfigured xf86config
[09:52] <Deft> what is it doing?
[09:52] <RuffianSoldier> hold on, i restarted my computer
[09:52] <RuffianSoldier> let me tell you in a sec
[09:54] <RuffianSoldier> Fatal IO error, connection reset by peer on xserver
[09:54] <RuffianSoldier> weird
[09:54] <Deft> where does it print that?
[09:55] <RuffianSoldier> after i type startx
[09:55] <Deft> are you not using gdm then?
[09:56] <RuffianSoldier> i just finished the install
[09:56] <RuffianSoldier> of Ubuntu
[09:57] <Deft> damn... anyway, X should start by itself
[09:57] <akra> didn't for me :)
[09:57] <Deft> well, it should always try
[09:57] <MyKq3> what do u say about installing Ubuntu on P2 266Hz with 16M memory.
[09:57] <akra> ah yeah - it did that :)
[09:58] <RuffianSoldier> x never did
[09:58] <akra> I currently have an XKB error though
[09:58] <dat> ok.. i downloaded the iso, did a dd to convert it over to my usb flashdrive... do i have to do anything else to make the flashdrive bootable?
[09:58] <akra> have a feeling it's related to trying to the variant field that I had to fill in for a pc105 keyboard
[09:59] <RuffianSoldier> any help for me?
[09:59] <neighborlee> I'm trying to install 'glables'...but a version from the project webpage...its calling for a dependency ( via dpkg ) that for some reason isn't in apt repository yet its clearly in debain unstable...I thought the ubuntu one was a mirror image but apparanlty not ?
[10:01] <ashgan> hello
[10:01] <neighborlee> glabels depends on libgnutls11 (>= 1.0.16); however: < but apt-get can't find it yet its on debians unstable repos....where should I report this ? ;-)
[10:01] <Deft> RuffianSoldier: when you start ubuntu, what is on terminal 7?
[10:01] <tseng> tberman: hi
[10:01] <neighborlee> ashgan, hi
[10:01] <BluMax> OK, i tried to install "gmc_4.5.55-1.2woody3_powerpc.deb. Its complaining thatmany lib files are not there. Is ther an automated way to do this where the package installer goes off and collects all the dependencies and installs them ?
[10:01] <RuffianSoldier> deft. what is terminal 7?
[10:01] <Deft> BluMax: if you can get it from an apt archive, everything is done automatically
[10:02] <Deft> RuffianSoldier: terminal 7 is where X normally runs, you get there with ctrl+alt+f7
[10:02] <BluMax> where i sthis and what is the command lin eto do this
[10:02] <Deft> BluMax: where did you get the deb package from?
[10:02] <RuffianSoldier> uuuhhh
[10:03] <tberman> tseng: your gtkhtml deps are bad against a current warty repo.
[10:03] <tberman> tseng: versions are different, .11 is the new one i believe.
[10:03] <RuffianSoldier> when i boot up my system, i have to loggin, then type startx
[10:03] <tberman> tseng: so libgnome-cil is uninstallable
[10:03] <tseng> tberman: um
[10:03] <RuffianSoldier> its jus the black screen and the white font
[10:03] <tseng> tberman: ok
[10:03] <BluMax> www.debian.org/security/2004/dsa-497
[10:03] <tberman> tseng: which makes monodoc, monodevelop, etc uninstallable
[10:03] <tberman> tseng: just passin along the warnin :)
[10:04] <tseng> tberman: ok thanks
[10:04] <tseng> tberman: i dont think ill fix it today, sorry
[10:04] <Deft> RuffianSoldier: ok, from a terminal, try typing "sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart"
[10:04] <RuffianSoldier> why is this not working
[10:04] <tberman> tseng: not an issue, just informin :)
[10:04] <tberman> tseng: i dont use your packages, i install from cvs for development purposes, a coworker mentioned it.
[10:05] <RuffianSoldier> it says i have the wrong password!
[10:05] <RuffianSoldier> grrrrrrr
[10:05] <RuffianSoldier> ooh
[10:05] <RuffianSoldier> i got it
[10:05] <BluMax> Deft:  ??????
[10:06] <DimSum> Anyone got the Ubuntu logo in Source PNG?
[10:06] <Deft> BluMax: if mc is in debian, it should be in ubuntu's universe:
[10:06] <RuffianSoldier> It syas: Cannot start xserver and it asks if i want to diognose the problem
[10:06] <DimSum> Or do I have to re-draw it myself? ;P
[10:06] <Deft> BluMax: open synaptic, go to Prefences | repositories (I think)
[10:06] <jayeola_afk> um u prolly have a funny resolution setting, RuffianSoldier - that happened to me
[10:06] <Deft> BluMax: then tick the box next to the line that has universe in it, untick the one with just main and secutiry
[10:07] <RuffianSoldier> jayeola_afk, how should i set it?
[10:07] <jayeola_afk> um, sudo /etx/X11/XFcon.blah or something like that
[10:08] <jayeola_afk> then look for your default depth....
[10:08] <Deft> RuffianSoldier: run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", if nothing seems out of place, we'll need to know the actual error text
[10:10] <will> hi how do i setup a bootloader, i have a fresh copy of ubuntu on an extended partition and win98 on the primary, hda
[10:10] <BluMax> Deft" nothing there that says Universe in it
[10:10] <jayeola_afk> just RuffianSoldier u should paste the file in #flood
[10:10] <will> at the mo it boots straight too ubuntu
[10:11] <RuffianSoldier> i cant paste the file, because im on a different computer, duh
[10:11] <jayeola_afk> *ahem* i knew that
[10:11] <Deft> BluMax: it is over to the right hand side, you'll need to scroll
[10:11] <RuffianSoldier> it wants me to select the desired x server driver
[10:11] <RuffianSoldier> what should i choose, i have a 16MB PCI VooDoo3 card
[10:11] <akra> BluMax: scroll to the right in the repositories window
[10:12] <akra> bah! Deft types faster than me!
[10:12] <RuffianSoldier> RuffianSol: it wants me to select the desired x server driver
[10:12] <RuffianSoldier> RuffianSol: what should i choose, i have a 16MB PCI VooDoo3 card
[10:12] <will> hello? can n e 1 help?
[10:13] <akra> will: it should have set up grub for you when you installed ubuntu. 
[10:13] <BluMax> hmmmm in |"repositories" there is nothing that says "universe" !!
[10:13] <akra> will: most likely you missed the 3 second window to hit the escape key 
[10:13] <RuffianSoldier> im in a hurry
[10:13] <RuffianSoldier> i would like to get this done
[10:13] <BluMax> Deft: on right hand side
[10:13] <RuffianSoldier> deft: RuffianSol: it wants me to select the desired x server driver
[10:13] <RuffianSoldier> RuffianSol: what should i choose, i have a 16MB PCI VooDoo3 card
[10:14] <Deft> RuffianSoldier: what is selected? I don't know what the driver is called, but vesa will do if for testing
[10:14] <akra> bluemax: settings->repostitories. in the list, the columns are: enabled, type, uri, distribution and section(s)
[10:14] <RuffianSoldier> deft. what about vga?
[10:14] <akra> the section(s) column has "universe" for two rows for me
[10:15] <will> no grub set up!
[10:15] <Deft> RuffianSoldier: either choose voodoo (or whatever the driver is called) or vesa
[10:15] <RichNRockville> SamOr, I sent a message with the file in text in the message..
[10:16] <RuffianSoldier> kk
[10:16] <edward__> hi again, i was in here yesterday, i still can't get sound to work, can anyone help?
[10:16] <Deft> edward__: what is the problem/sound card?
[10:16] <BluMax> Deft: ??????
[10:16] <edward__> its a SB Live emu10k1
[10:17] <Deft> edward__: should work fine then, are you getting no sound at all?
[10:17] <edward__> i'm now getting "could not open resource for writing" whenever i try to play anything
[10:17] <RuffianSoldier> how many kilobytes is 16 megobytes, and i need the exact number!
[10:17] <Deft> RuffianSoldier: leave that blank
[10:17] <thano> multiply by 1024
[10:17] <HcE> RuffianSoldier: 16384
[10:17] <RuffianSoldier> jkk
[10:17] <RuffianSoldier> kk
[10:17] <Deft> edward__: do you know if the driver is getting loaded?
[10:18] <will> 1024km = 1 mb"!
[10:18] <RuffianSoldier> Should i use kernal frame buffer device interface????
[10:18] <edward__> i also have a dvb tv card that has a bttv componant, so it might be getting mixed up with that
[10:18] <Deft> RuffianSoldier: no
[10:18] <RuffianSoldier> kk
[10:18] <will> can anyone help with grub???
[10:18] <BluMax> .
[10:18] <akra> will: what boot loader is it using then?
[10:19] <edward__> i have snd_emu10k1 loaded
[10:19] <RuffianSoldier> deft, whats the mouse port for a PS/2 mouse???
[10:19] <edward__> and snd_bttv
[10:19] <HcE> RuffianSoldier: /dev/psaux
[10:19] <Deft> RuffianSoldier: /dev/input/mice should work, as should /dev/psaux; leave as is probably
[10:19] <thano> can anyone tell me if ubntu has an applet similar to Windows Disk Management? i added 4 scsi disks & would like to configure them.
[10:19] <BluMax> Deft:  no "universe" on right hand side !
[10:19] <Deft> BluMax: do you have a list of lines, starting deb or deb-src?
[10:20] <BluMax> yes
[10:20] <edward__> i can use alsamixer, bt87x is card 0 and emu10k1 is card 1
[10:20] <will> i have no boot loader at the mo
[10:20] <RuffianSoldier> YES! IT WORKS!
[10:20] <RuffianSoldier> startx worked
[10:20] <Deft> BluMax: if you scroll the box to the right, you should see a line with main security, and one with the same but also universe
[10:20] <akra> cool
[10:21] <BluMax> right hand side on those say  "main restriced"   no universe
[10:21] <RuffianSoldier> lets just hope the internet works
[10:21] <Deft> BluMax: have you changed your /etc/apt/sources.list file at all?
[10:22] <thano> anyone?
[10:22] <will> akra= can u help?
[10:22] <BluMax> Deft:  ahhh  ok  I have a line that says on right hand side that says  "main restricted universe"    sorry !!!
[10:23] <akra> will: maybe. little confused atm as I can't see how you boot to linux without a boot loader
[10:23] <BluMax> i jst needed to tick it  first
[10:23] <Deft> BluMax: ok, tick the box for the line starting "deb", and ending in "universe", untick anything else
[10:23] <will> well where would i find the config files
[10:23] <akra> will: /boot/grub/menu.lst  I think
[10:23] <edward__> any suggestions?
[10:24] <will> will check now
[10:24] <BluMax> ok  now what
[10:24] <Deft> edward__: could you try not loading the driver for the other thing?
[10:24] <akra> thano: no idea, sorry
[10:24] <Deft> BluMax: Refresh the package list, and search the packacge called mc
[10:25] <edward__> how do i do that?
[10:25] <Deft> edward__: add the driver to hotplug's blacklist
[10:25] <will> akra: thanx!!!!!
[10:25] <thano> akra, is there a way for me to re-run setup within ubuntu?
[10:25] <edward__> how do i do that?
[10:25] <akra> will: if you have that file, put a # in front of the line with "hiddenmenu" on it
[10:25] <Deft> /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[10:25] <akra> will: and change "timeout   3" to something like "timeout 10"
[10:25] <RuffianSoldier> YAY!
[10:26] <akra> thano: no idea, sorry.
[10:26] <Deft> thano: which setup?
[10:27] <thano> no prob :) anyone else maybe help? i addded 4 scsi disks to ubuntu & need to be able to "view" them so i can configure tem. i'm looking for the disk managemnt applet in ubuntu
[10:28] <BluMax> Deft:ok    I have now located "mc". Do I just dbl ckick it?
[10:28] <thano> or somehow maybe re-run setup from winthin ubuntu
[10:28] <edward__> well i added snd_bt87x and bttv to that file, do I have to reboot now?
[10:28] <Deft> BluMax: yes, or right click and select install
[10:28] <Deft> edward__: yes
[10:28] <BluMax> Deft: thanks a bunch for all !!
[10:29] <edward__> hmm, and theres me thinking linux never needed rebooting except to upgrade the kernel
[10:30] <thano> any ideas?
[10:30] <Deft> thano: what is it that you need to configure?
[10:31] <thano> i added 4 more scsi disks, but need to be able to "view" them so i can configure them. how would i go about doing that? :)
[10:31] <thano> looking for a disk managemnt type applet
[10:32] <Deft> thano: what do you mean by configure them?
[10:32] <thano> i booted back into ubuntu after adding the drives but dont know where to go to partioin them, etc
[10:32] <thano> *partition
[10:33] <Deft> thano: partitioning can be done with cfdisk if you don't mind a little text
[10:35] <q2_> awesome
[10:35] <q2_> ubuntu works
[10:36] <thano> deft, this is all i see: 
[10:36] <thano> sda1        Boot        Primary   Linux ext3                        1003.49
[10:36] <thano>     sda2                    Primary   Linux ext3                       17380.02
[10:36] <edward__> deft: it's still loading them
[10:36] <WX> join #C
[10:36] <WX> er
[10:36] <akra> I have to admit that this is the first time I've felt "comfortable" with a desktop Linux box. So far, everything has fitted together nicely and done what I expected.  Very good work !
[10:37] <thano> akra i agree. ubuntu looks real nice
[10:37] <BluMax> Deft: all I see is "Mark for installation".   ?????
[10:37] <Deft> edward__: odd, you could try unloading all snd drivers, then loading snd_emu10k1
[10:37] <Deft> BluMax: yes, that's what you want; it'[ll be installed when you click apply
[10:37] <edward__> Deft: how do i do that
[10:38] <thano> deft i ran cfdisk but only see the single drive (sda) that ubuntu is loaded on :(
[10:38] <kamme> question, how do I install all gcc and libs at once?
[10:38] <Deft> edward__: "sudo modprobe -r driver", then the same without the -r to load
[10:38] <will> how do i get permision to edit the grub config file??
[10:38] <kamme> will, use sudo vi
[10:38] <Deft> thano: does ls /dev/sd* show other drives?
[10:38] <thano> i will check
[10:39] <akra> will: sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:39] <q2_> IF i were to install another desktop environment on Ubuntu, how would i use it instead of Gnome
[10:39] <will> what is this vi stuff!
[10:39] <akra> will: use ctrl+w to save to disk and ctrl+x (I think) to exit
[10:39] <thano> deft it goes from sda to sde
[10:40] <kamme> will, vi is a console editor
[10:40] <Deft> thano: then try sudo cfdisk /dev/sdwhatever
[10:40] <thano> ok
[10:40] <lucas_> is there somebody here I could talk to about a port of Ubuntu to Sparc ?
[10:40] <akra> will: much easier to use nano :)
[10:41] <kamme> So no simple command to install all of gcc at once?
[10:41] <sam0r2> ffs
[10:41] <BluMax> Deft:  Gosh, now isn't that easy.  I have been a Slackware user for years and have deelt  with Tarballs only.  Thanks again !!!!
[10:42] <will> ahh thanx!
[10:42] <will> all done !
[10:42] <akra> will: great !
[10:42] <edward__> Deft: it won't let me remove many of them, "FATAL: Module ... is in use"
[10:42] <will> you are saviors!
[10:42] <akra> kamme: synaptic  - search for gcc ?
[10:43] <will> gonna reboot now and test if i never come back i have probably blown up linux!!
[10:43] <edward__> ubuntu:/home/edward# lsmod|grep snd
[10:43] <edward__> snd_emu10k1            80776  2
[10:43] <edward__> snd_rawmidi            23232  1 snd_emu10k1
[10:43] <edward__> snd_seq_device          7944  2 snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi
[10:43] <edward__> snd_ac97_codec         59268  1 snd_emu10k1
[10:43] <edward__> snd_util_mem            4608  1 snd_emu10k1
[10:43] <edward__> snd_hwdep               9120  1 snd_emu10k1
[10:43] <edward__> snd_pcm                85540  1 snd_emu10k1
[10:43] <edward__> snd_timer              23172  1 snd_pcm
[10:43] <edward__> snd                    50660  12 snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_ac97_codec,snd_util_mem,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm,snd_timer
[10:43] <edward__> snd_page_alloc         11144  2 snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm
[10:43] <edward__> soundcore               9824  4 emu10k1,sound,snd,bttv
[10:43] <edward__> ubuntu:/home/edward# modprobe -r snd
[10:43] <edward__> FATAL: Module snd is in use.
[10:43] <edward__> ubuntu:/home/edward# modprobe -r snd_emu10k1
[10:43] <edward__> FATAL: Module snd_emu10k1 is in use.
[10:43] <edward__> ubuntu:/home/edward# modprobe -r snd_rawmidi
[10:43] <edward__> FATAL: Module snd_rawmidi is in use.
[10:43] <edward__> ubuntu:/home/edward# modprobe -r snd_seq_device
[10:43] <edward__> FATAL: Module snd_seq_device is in use.
[10:43] <Deft> get the idea...
[10:43] <edward__> ubuntu:/home/edward# modprobe -r snd_ac97_codec
[10:43] <edward__> FATAL: Module snd_ac97_codec is in use.
[10:43] <edward__> ubuntu:/home/edward# modprobe -r snd_util_mem
[10:43] <edward__> FATAL: Module snd_util_mem is in use.
[10:44] <edward__> ubuntu:/home/edward# modprobe -r snd_hwdep
[10:44] <edward__> FATAL: Module snd_hwdep is in use.
[10:44] <edward__> ubuntu:/home/edward# modprobe -r snd_timer
[10:44] <edward__> FATAL: Module snd_timer is in use.
[10:44] <edward__> ubuntu:/home/edward# modprobe -r soundcore
[10:44] <edward__> FATAL: Module soundcore is in use.
[10:44] <kamme> akra, cool, I didn't know of synaptic ;)
[10:44] <akra> me either until ubuntu :)
[10:45] <DimSum> Yay, spam.
[10:45] <DimSum> Flooding, etc.
[10:45] <DimSum> Anyone know what font is used in the Ubuntu logo?
[10:45] <kamme> this sure beats typing everything in a terminal
[10:46] <akra> kamme: *grin*
[10:46] <kamme> it's installed :)
[10:46] <sam0r2> how to you unzip a bz2 file??
[10:46] <kamme> thanks a lot :)
[10:46] <akra> sam0r2: bzip2 -d filename.bz2
[10:47] <Deft> sam: bunzip2
[10:47] <sam0r2> cheers
[10:47] <akra> np kamme
[10:48] <Greensky> is there anywhere you can request a packge be added to ubuntu?
[10:50] <akra> Greensky: how about http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/UniverseCandidates ?
[10:51] <Greensky> akra, gracias
[10:51] <akra> alternatively, try the mailing lists
[10:52] <Greensky> I'm not sure how to edit the page though :\
[10:52] <Greensky> just trying to suggest galeon... galeon.sf.net
[10:52] <akra> usually with a wiki you have register first
[10:53] <Greensky> ok, thanks... I've never used a wiki before
[10:53] <thano> deft, i created partitions & formatted the drives like you told me with cfdisk. where do i go in the file manager gui to view them of put data on them?
[10:54] <thano> anyone?
[10:55] <akra> thano: you would need to mount them into the filesystem 
[10:55] <akra> thano: look at /etc/fstab
[10:55] <thano> k i'll look
[10:56] <thano> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[10:56] <thano> #
[10:56] <thano> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[10:56] <thano> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[10:56] <thano> /dev/sda2       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[10:56] <thano> /dev/sda1       /boot           ext3    defaults        0       2
[10:56] <thano> /dev/sdb2       /home           reiserfs defaults        0       2
[10:56] <thano> /dev/sdb1       none            swap    sw              0       0
[10:56] <thano> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[10:56] <thano> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[10:57] <thano> i am "missing" 4 scsi disks
[10:57] <akra> thank: add your new drives at the bottom with new mount points. the mount points are directories that are already created
[10:57] <akra> thanno: even :)
[10:57] <thano> ok one sec :)
[10:57] <akra> thano: eg. create set of directories such as /newdrive1 /newdrive2 etc
[10:57] <akra> thano then you can do:
[10:58] <akra>  /dev/<drive>       /newdrive1           ext3 (or whatever) defaults        0    0
[10:59] <sam0r2> DAMMIT
[10:59] <sam0r2> i just broke it
[10:59] <thano> are those new directories (newdrive, etc) in fstab?  example, /dev/sdc/data   ?
[11:00] <sam0r2> *finds the cd*
[11:00] <akra> the new dirs are on the existing drive that is mounted on /
[11:00] <thano> akra i cannot edit fstab!
[11:00] <akra>  /dev/sda2 in your case
[11:01] <akra> use sudo 
[11:01] <thano> ?
[11:01] <akra> use: sudo nano /etc/fstab
[11:01] <akra> or whatever your favourite editor is
[11:02] <George> yoyo
[11:03] <George> is ubuntu well supported on PowerPC?
[11:03] <George> pondering giving it a try after Daniel Stone extolled the virtues of it to me
[11:04] <akra> the mailing lists seem appreciative of it's powerpc support. no idea personally 
[11:04] <George> well, hopefully it'll support my 3 year old powerbook with ease :)
[11:05] <akra>  :)
[11:05] <akra> give it a try and see what happens !
[11:05] <thano> akra, i am aditing fstab & have put:  /dev/sdc1       /atlas2data     reiserfs
[11:05] <George> akra: heh
[11:05] <George> akra: downloading at the moment
[11:05] <George> akra: I left my powerbook at school so I can't test it till I get back in a couple of days though :)
[11:06] <thano> but do i have to put anything under Options or <dump> or <pass>  ??
[11:06] <akra> george: typical!
[11:06] <akra> thano: use defaults 0 0 
[11:06] <thano> ok
[11:07] <akra> thano: then make sure you have no file manager windows open to /atlas2data (or a terminal window in that dir)
[11:08] <thano> ok. how does this look before i write the changes:   
[11:08] <akra> thano: then you should be able to type mount /atlas2data to attach your new drive to the filesystem
[11:09] <thano> dev/sdc1       /atlas2data     reiserfs defaults        0       0
[11:09] <thano> dev/sdd1       /atlas3data     reiserfs defaults        0       0
[11:09] <thano> dev/sde1       /atlas4data     reiserfs defaults        0       0
[11:09] <thano> look ok?
[11:09] <akra> assuming you formatted as reiserfs, yes
[11:09] <will> ahhh sucess
[11:10] <akra> will: :)
[11:10] <will> btw when ubuntu shuts down how do i get it to completely power off the pc?
[11:10] <thano> ok. i will play around with it. i have to run an arrend right now. akra thanks so much for your help & patience. i hope i can figure it out later :)
[11:10] <akra> thano: np. any problems, come back and hopefully someone will be able to help :)
[11:10] <thano> :p
[11:11] <akra> will: no idea - haven't turned it off yet :)
[11:15] <will> what about this error i get when i load cfdisk 
[11:15] <will> 'FATAL ERROR: Bad logical partition 6: enlarged logical partitions overlap'
[11:15] <occy> hmm
[11:16] <will> partitionmagic in DOS cant find any problems
[11:16] <occy> having issues with pcmcia wireless and ubuntu
[11:16] <LinuxJones> Hi everyone !!
[11:16] <occy> hey LJ
[11:17] <akra> will: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2003/12/msg01637.html
[11:17] <occy> having issues with trying to install 
[11:17] <LinuxJones> :D
[11:18] <will> thanks!
[11:18] <occy> So when I boot up my Ubuntu CD, (on my Dell Inspirion 7500 laptop)  I can't seem to get past the loading pcmcia stuff.  It spins up the CD and just hangs
[11:18] <will> so how do i mount a fat32 drive on hda say partition 5 or 6?
[11:19] <akra> edit fstab
[11:19] <occy> I got it installed just peachy on my desktop
[11:19] <occy> Ubuntu that is
[11:19] <joem> mount -t vfat /dev/hda5 /mountpoint
[11:19] <LinuxJones> occy, wireless cards are causing some problems for alot of people at the moment.
[11:20] <will> what are good mountpoints to use/create?
[11:21] <occy> LinuxJones: I take out the card, and just try and install... and the same problem.
[11:21] <neighborlee>  not sure what opinions of others are or where this is best voiced...but I think not allowing option to turn off spatial mode in 'prefs' is odd at besst and I'd like to see it implemented ,- what do you think? ( and where is this best voiced )....
[11:21] <occy> LinuxJones: it's detecting the cardmanager stuff... and not allowing it to get past.
[11:21] <occy> with no pcmcia card loaded in the slot
[11:21] <LinuxJones> occy, can you disable pcmcia in the systems's bios temporarily and see f you can get any further ?
[11:22] <occy> hmm I reckon I could.
[11:22] <akra> will: depends :)
[11:22] <occy> (well, if I can - if the bios can that is)
[11:22] <akra> will: I use /c and /d because I'm lazy and it's less typing
[11:23] <akra> will: anywhere under /mnt is also popular
[11:23] <will> how do you create these dirs?
[11:23] <will> say under /mnt
[11:23] <will> say /mnt/d
[11:24] <akra> sudo mkdir /mnt/d
[11:24] <sivang> does anybody know if there rsync support for people.ubuntulinux.com ?
[11:24] <will> wow the same as msdos!
[11:24] <joem> neighborlee, uh, there is an option to turn it off in prefs
[11:24] <akra> ah
[11:25] <akra> thought msdos was md ?
[11:25] <will> okay next question i have a film i want to watch in a directory in my mounted drive...how the hell do i get in!?!?!?
[11:25] <neighborlee> joem, i'm not finding it if there is
[11:25] <joem> under behavior, always use browser
[11:26] <will> everything is greyed out!
[11:26] <akra> will: no idea, sorry
[11:26] <neighborlee> joem: oh wait I found it sorry
[11:26] <neighborlee> argh
[11:26] <neighborlee> nnnnnm ;-)
[11:26] <will> so u can mount a drive, but u cant access anything?
[11:27] <akra> you should be able to get at it
[11:27] <akra> how did you mount it ?
[11:28] <will> akra: sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hda5 /mnt
[11:28] <neighborlee> should I send a bug report for an item not in universe yet in debians unstable archive ? 
[11:29] <akra> will: type cd /mnt
[11:29] <akra> then ls -l
[11:29] <akra> what are the permissions
[11:29] <will> ah it is denied!
[11:29] <akra> permissions issue then
[11:29] <will> bash says cd: /mnt: Permission denied
[11:30] <will> and how do i modify em then?
[11:30] <akra> ok - what's ls -ld /mnt give?
[11:30] <will> it gives me a listing of the files in blue
[11:30] <akra> will: I'm nearly sure that you need to mount the drive with a user option set somewhere
[11:31] <will> where do i set these then?
[11:32] <akra> hopefully someone who knows fstab without having to look it all up will step in about now...
[11:32] <joem> what do you need with fstab?
[11:32] <will> akra: you have been so helpful! cant thank u enough
[11:33] <will> setting permissions?
[11:33] <akra> joem: he needs to mount his windows partition with enough permissions to get at it as a normal user :)
[11:33] <joem> in the options line of fstab, add the users option
[11:34] <will> joem: typing fstab gives me command not found
[11:34] <joem> /dev/hdx       /mnt/win           vfat     users        0       2
[11:34] <akra> fstab is a file
[11:34] <joem> will, /etc/fstab is a file
[11:34] <joem> not a command
[11:34] <will> ahah!
[11:35] <akra> sudo nano /etc/fstab
[11:35] <joem> nano -w
[11:35] <will> oaky will have a look now....brb
[11:35] <akra> ooh! didn't know about -w
[11:36] <joem> akra, man nano
[11:36] <will> oaky its looking clearer now
[11:36] <will> what is -w for
[11:36] <akra> have just done so :)  I don't use it, just recommend it to people who don't know vi or emacs
[11:36] <joem> disable line wrap
[11:36] <LinuxJones> will, It prevents word wrapping
[11:37] <will> thats a good!
[11:37] <will> joem: so what do i need to change then under dump or pass?
[11:38] <joem> will, look at what I posted above, should be all you need
[11:39] <will> joem: do i just add the line in for every partition i need?
[11:39] <joem> how many windows partitions do you have that need mounting?
[11:40] <will> well i have about 3 hard disks
[11:41] <will> sorry guys it must be like speaking to children!
[11:41] <LinuxJones> will, everybody is the same when they start using Linux :D
[11:42] <ynef> will: what seems to be the problem? i've missed what you're asking about?
[11:42] <Mitario> hello everyone
[11:43] <Mitario> any ideas on why I can't save recorded audio which I recorded with gnome-audio-recorder?
[11:43] <LinuxJones> Mitario, hi
[11:43] <will> okay do i need to restart now i have edited and saved fstab?
[11:43] <Lovechild> hi joem 
[11:43] <LinuxJones> Mitario, where are you trying to save your audio files to ?
[11:43] <Mitario> Desktop or $HOME
[11:44] <ynef> will: the mounts you've set to "auto" will be mounted if you just issue the command "mount -a" as root
[11:44] <LinuxJones> Mitario, that's odd
[11:45] <will> it says mount point /mnt/d does not exist!
[11:45] <Mitario> jup
[11:45] <Mitario> the filebrowser pops up
[11:45] <Mitario> I click save, but nothing happens
[11:45] <Mitario> no files.. nothing
[11:45] <joem> hi Lovechild
[11:45] <Mitario> tried to run with a higher gst-debug-level, and there are no errors
[11:45] <ynef> will: then you haven't made that directory yet, right?
[11:45] <Mitario> almost seems that the recorder doesn't have save support ;)
[11:45] <will> yep!
[11:45] <LinuxJones> Mitario, heh
[11:45] <dieman>  /win 2
[11:45] <will> suppose i will do that now huh!
[11:45] <dieman> ack
[11:46] <Mitario> i'll try #gnome :)
[11:46] <Lovechild> joem, you are an ubuntu man now=
[11:46] <ynef> will: yeah :)
[11:47] <will> it worked, but the mounted drive files are still inacessable in the 'explorer xwindow' thing
[11:47] <Mitario> anyone has an idea which alternative audio recorder I can use?
[11:48] <Telep> audacity?
[11:48] <joem> Lovechild, yep
[11:48] <ynef> will: do you mind posting the line in fstab concerning the partition?
[11:48] <Lovechild> joem, I tried Ubuntu but then suddenly my monitor blew out - that ended my fun
[11:49] <will> /dev/hda5       /mnt/d          vfat    users           0       2
[11:50] <Telep> I've actually got a problem with Audacity - for some reason the interface fonts are tiny
[11:51] <will> i got the drive now visible but it says 'mount: /dev/hda5 already mounted or /mnt/d busy
[11:51] <will> mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda5 is already mounted on /mnt/d
[11:51] <Telep> changing font sizes with gtk-theme-switcher didn't help
[11:51] <ynef> will: try putting umask=002 after a comma, directly after users (so it reads: "users,umask=002"). And if you want the partition mounted automatically, you'll also have to add "auto" to that list...
[11:51] <ynef> will: so umount it. ("umount /mnt/d")
[11:51] <joem> will, did you unmount it from earlier before trying to mount it again?
[11:51] <will> nope!
[11:51] <tseng> hah thatd do it.
[11:52] <ynef> will: if it's already mounted it won't know you've changed the file with the new mount options
[11:52] <will> sudo unmount /mnt/d gives me: 'command not found'
[11:53] <tseng> will: its umount.
[11:53] <ynef> will: it's "umount", not "unmount"
[11:53] <will> oops!
[11:55] <will> okay but still the error
[11:55] <will> do i need to mount it again now as specified in the fstab
[11:56] <ynef> will: check if it's mounted first. you do this, easily, by issuing the command "mount". after that, if it's not mounted, mount it like it's mounted in fstab
[11:57] <will> ynef: hur det laget, jag vet inte att du ?r svensk!
[11:58] <Telep> omg
[11:58] <ynef> will: well, i am swedish, but either speak swedish to me in private, or in english here -- other users might experience the same problems you do
[11:58] <Telep> jag r finsk :)
[11:58] <will> sorry
[11:59] <ynef> will: :)
[11:59] <will> im actually english, but i live in sthlm
[11:59] <ynef> will: so, what does "mount" report? is the volume mounted yet?