willnope, but i will try and mount it now12:00
ynefwill: since you've got so much to do as root, you might as well spawn a root shell... "sudo /bin/bash" ;)12:00
ynefwill: then all commands typed in that shell will be executed with root privileges.12:01
akraI'm a fan of "sudo su -" myself :)12:01
cleemeh, too many characters12:01
cleesudo -s12:01
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akradoes sudo -s set the environment up too ?12:02
Mitariohmm, this is odd12:03
MitarioI'm trying to compile Marlin12:03
MitarioI have cpp installed12:03
Mitariobut I still get this error:12:03
Mitariochecking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp12:03
Mitarioconfigure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check12:03
tsengakra: sudo keeps the user enviroment12:03
cleeakra: not quite12:03
tsengin most cases12:03
LinuxJonesMitario, apt-get install build-essentials12:03
willoh dear argument!12:03
MitarioLinuxJones, aha! thank you12:04
LinuxJonesMitario, sure someone had the problem yesterday :D12:04
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willynef its saying now that /mnt/d does not exist12:05
ynefwill: but you've created that directory, right?12:05
subterrificynef: security and because most people don't need to compile12:05
LinuxJoneswill mkdir /mnt/d as root user12:06
LinuxJoneswill then try again12:06
willah maybe i was not root when i made it12:06
ynefsubterrific: i just feel naked without a compiler... :) 12:06
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subterrifichave you tried putting clothes on?12:07
willit works now my knowledge is almost unlimited!12:07
willthanks guys!12:07
ynefsubterrific: don't need to -- i installed build-essentials instead ;)12:07
LinuxJoneswill, lol12:07
ynefwill: cool :)12:08
willbut this totem movie player crashed after 1 sec of playing a file!12:08
ynefwill: is the file on the windows partition?12:09
ynefwill: does it work if you first copy it over to your home directory?12:09
ynefwill: (just trying to rule things out here)12:09
willgood idea12:10
ynefwill: when i tried to access a pdf i had on a samba share, xpfd didn't do anything -- didn't show a window at all. but when i copied it to a local location, it worked without a hitch. your situation should be different, since it's on the physically connected disc and all, but you never know... 12:12
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willdidnt work got error: Internal GStreamer error: pad problem.  File a bug.12:14
ynefwill: well that sucks... :( don't know the solution to that, i'm afraid12:14
joemwill, use totem-xine12:15
willwhats that?12:15
joemtotem with a xine backend12:15
sam0r2ok, third time of re installing... and gnome still wont load12:15
sam0r2anyone know what the problem could be?12:15
ynefsam0r2: not without a more detailed description :(12:16
sam0r2the logs say somthing about font render for "xxxx" already registered at priority 012:17
sam0r2i can log in, and failsafe works fine12:18
sam0r2but when i log in using gnome, it sits at the loading screen, doing shit all12:18
sam0r2the last error in the log is 'Could not init font path element unit/:7100, removing from list!'12:19
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Averelli have a question: how do you finance this free CD sending?12:20
=== sam0r2 humps Averell
sam0r2the sponsor isnt it?12:21
Averellas well as bounties, etc.12:21
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ynefsam0r2: if you remove everything related to fonts from the XF86Config file, it will fall back on compiled in defaults. comment them rather than removing them, of course12:21
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Se7hubuntu reinstalled12:22
Averellthe sponsor? who's it?12:23
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LinuxJonesAverell, Canonical I beilive12:24
LinuxJoneserr believe12:24
Se7hok now12:24
Se7hi need to install nvidia drivers for this12:24
Se7hwhere r they?12:24
LinuxJonesSe7h, >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions see # 312:25
Averellah. cool. thanks LinuxJones.12:25
LinuxJonesAverell, lots of good stuff in that FAQ :)12:25
ynefwill: still having problems with the video player?12:27
ynefwill: if so, you should install mplayer -- the best media player for linux that i know of. instructions that are incredibly simple to follow are here: http://www.princessleia.com/MPlayer2.html12:28
sam0r2hmm ynef: the font thing didnt seem to work12:28
sam0r2but i think its doing somthing12:29
MyKq3what package do i need to activate my webcam?12:29
sam0r2oh no its not, its just fan vibrations12:29
tsengMyKq3: that greatly depends on your webcam, google around for the model + linux12:29
ynefsam0r2: that's too bad... what does your /var/log/XFree86.0.log say?12:31
MyKq3i have but it gave me nothingy ralevant .... i guess i need to try hearder12:31
sam0r2Warning: font renderer for ".pcf" already registered at priority 012:32
sam0r2and tehres a few more lines of that but different extentions12:32
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rovraggehello. Can I mix ubuntu and regular debian unstable packages easily?12:33
rovraggelet's say just have xfree86 packages from ubuntu and nothing else12:33
ynefrovragge: i just did that a second ago, so yeah :)12:33
willYnef: thanks a lot, im off now goodnight!12:33
rovraggeynef: apt sources line ?12:33
ynefwill: good night12:33
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ynefrovragge: the same as you'd use in debian12:34
rovraggeynef: i'm running debian/unstable, which url for ubuntu packages?12:34
ynefrovragge: aha. :) well, then I don't know if it's mixable... i know you can theoretically switch over to ubuntu completely, but i don't know for just a few packages12:36
rovraggeapt-get install -t warty foo ?12:37
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Se7hnvidia done12:39
rovraggeor do I have to fiddle with /etc/apt/preferences and do Pin:12:39
Se7hhow can i add some resolutions..12:39
LukasKWhew, hi all. Kudos to the makers of ubuntu, I'm really impressed with what you did with Debian.12:39
LukasKGreat work.12:39
rovraggeSe7h: http://delenn.tky.hut.fi/amlc/12:40
rovraggeSe7h: or did you mean standard resolutions?12:40
rovraggeSe7h: in Subsection "Display" under Modes12:40
rovraggeSe7h: Modes       "1600x1200" "800x600" "640x480"12:41
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu:Se7h] : restarting X
tsengjesus dude.12:41
Se7hwrong field12:41
Se7hsorry about that12:41
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu:Se7h] : FAQ: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/ | Wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ | Lists: http://lists.ubuntu.com/ | Bugs: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ | Just Works: http://spamusement.com/view.php?id=81
Se7hsorry once again12:42
LukasKThe only thing I can't yet solve on my own: ubuntu ships postfix, I somehow got used to exim, and know I don't know how to tell postfix to to smtp-auth to my isp's-mailserver.12:42
LukasKCan somebody help me with that?12:42
sam0r2man exim12:44
tsengLukasK: postfix has tons of docs and howtos online12:44
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Sam0roops meant man postfix12:44
LukasKhm, ok.12:45
LukasKi think i got the wrong howto for that ... it hat things in main.cf that i didn't see in my local main.cf :)12:46
LukasKwould be cool if one could configure that sort of thing with debconf12:46
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LukasKok, documentation is good. i thought, hey, everything was so easy, why should smtp-auth be as hard as always :)12:53
tardmacanyone here upgrade from debian testing to ubuntu?12:54
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Se7hi have the resolutions there12:55
Se7hbut they wont appear at gnome change resolution config12:56
Se7hi think its related to HS or VS12:57
Se7hcant rememeber12:57
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rovraggexrandr lists available resolutions12:58
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Se7hlist the ones possible on the config that u provided to xfree12:58
Sam0rhow do i edit my network config? atm im using a dhcp supplied ip, but i want to make it static12:59
Se7hbut i know i can make my monitor work at 115212:59
rovraggegenerate own modes using amlc12:59
HcESam0r: vim /etc/network/interfaces ?12:59
Sam0rgot it12:59
Sam0rwhats the format?01:00
rovraggeman interfaces01:00
HcESam0r: change dhcp => static, add address, hostmask, gateway, broadcast01:00
Chrifferwhy would you suggest vim to someone?01:09
HcEI was thinking of that afterwards01:15
HcEjust typed what I usually type01:15
HcEbut hopefully he just took it for vim = your favorite editor01:15
WWSam0r (and others): It looks like you could also use Computer -> System Configuration -> Networking01:17
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HcEbut for new users to Linux the GUI frontend is important :)01:19
rovraggeChriffer: http://vim.sourceforge.net/others.php01:19
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flopperhi all :)01:25
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LinuxJonesflopper, hi01:25
LinuxJonesIt is so quite in here tonight :(01:26
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HcELinuxJones: If you have little to do, you could allways have a look at my SSL application which have some problems ;)01:27
Sam0rwhat runlevel doesnt have x started?01:28
HcESam0r: 101:28
Sam0risnt that single user though?01:28
HcESam0r: look in /etc/inittab01:28
LinuxJonesHcE, I am not "THAT" bored :D01:28
Sam0ri am01:28
Sam0r1 says single user01:28
HcE1 = single user yes01:29
HcEtry 2?01:29
Sam0r2 is default with x :|01:29
HcEshould say in inittab though01:29
Sam0rit does01:29
Sam0rbut its not very helpful01:29
HcEtake a peek in /etc/rcx.d/ ?01:29
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HcEwhere x = {1,2,3,4,5,6}01:29
=== flopper it's quite sad because his video vibrate :o
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dickmorrellapparently 01:30
dickmorrellUbuntu is not an effective form of contraception01:30
LinuxJonesflopper, your refresh rate  is too low ??01:30
dickmorrelland I am being told to get off this workstation01:30
flopperLinuxJones, good question ;) I was just checking it.. effectively is quite low: 64/60!01:31
flopperLinuxJones, how can change it?01:31
LinuxJonesflopper, my crappy monitor can only do 60 hz @ 1280x96001:32
Sam0rits gdm thats mucking up01:33
LinuxJonesflopper, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8601:33
flopperLinuxJones, I test this monitor with another pc and it did 1280x1024 without any problem.. perahps it's a videocard problem?01:33
LinuxJonesflopper, what video driver are you using ?01:33
flopperLinuxJones, thanks.. just trying01:33
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NewComeris it true that the x86 port of ubuntu is compiled for i686 and not for i386 as the name of isos imply?01:49
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jh|worki am assuming so, but i am afraid to ask why you are asking01:50
jdubNewComer: it uses 486 instructions, tuned for p401:51
NewComeru know, just hate the idea of i386 compiled distro01:51
NewComerso it should be kinda fast01:52
jh|worksilly reason, but ok.01:52
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LinuxJonesNewComer, what are you using your computer for, general destop stuff ?01:55
NewComerLinuxJones: yeah01:56
LinuxJonesNewComer, what kind of processor/ram do you have ?01:56
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NewComerits not that i'm a Gentoo freak (never tried Gentoo), but I would prefer an optimized distro01:57
Sam0rNewComer: who wouldnt..01:57
NewComerSam0r: some just don't care01:58
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LinuxJonesNewComer, that's not a bad system, you will not notice any difference for desltop stuff.01:58
Se7hi got it screwd up01:58
bitserfnewcomer: you might be surprised at the performance of Gentoo compared to Ubuntu...its not much of a delta, to be honest01:58
Sam0rits still a preview release, so why would they bother making specific builds etc when the ones theyve made _work_01:58
Se7hwhat r the editors from command line?01:58
bitserfnewcomer: the premise of gentoo is its flexibility more than the perf.01:58
Sam0rSe7h: pico or nano01:59
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Se7hNew channel peak: 168 users01:59
q2_hey all01:59
NewComerSam0r: yeah, maybe in the future people would like different builts.01:59
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Sam0ri think its fine how it is, if you want a specific build, download the source code, compile it for us, and host it somewhere...02:00
Sam0rthats how it works.02:00
Sam0ryou cant just walk up to a dev and say 'i want this. now.'02:00
Sam0rthese guys are doing some great work, and theyre not even getting paid, so leave them alone02:00
NewComerSam0r: ofcourse not, that's why I didn't :)02:00
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Se7hNew channel peak: 169 users02:01
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Se7hNew channel peak: 170 users02:01
Sam0rdoes that work?02:01
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LinuxJonesSe7h, there were 193 users yesterday, I waited for an hour to crack 200 but it didn't happen :D02:02
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Sam0rchrist does anyone know what runlevel is the shell and not X11?02:03
bitserfnewcomer: you know about apt-get source02:04
Kosai(To Sam0r.)02:04
LinuxJonesSam0r, you can disable X from starting in any runlevel02:05
Sam0ryeah i know02:05
Sam0ri just wanted to do it an easier way02:05
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Sam0ri'm used to using slackware02:05
LinuxJonesSam0r, what way are you doing it now ?02:05
Sam0rsetting it up as a webserver02:05
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Sam0rrunlevel 1 is single user mode.02:06
LinuxJonesSam0r, rl 1 is no good as a webserver02:07
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Sam0ryeah i know!02:07
NewComerbitserf: yeah02:07
zenwhenLinux stale.licorice 2.4.3-handcuffing5 #11 SMP Sat May 10:38:55 PST 2004 i586 Intel(r) Pentium(r) 4 processor 5.70GHz GNU/Linux02:07
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LinuxJonesSam0r, update-rc.d -f gdm remove02:08
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Sam0rupdate-rc.c -f gdm remove02:08
Sam0rshit ffs02:08
Sam0rcommand not found02:09
Sam0rbrb need a piss02:09
LinuxJonesthat's nice02:09
Sam0rfeels good too :)02:09
flopperLinuxJones, just done some tsts. The screen vibrate at 1024x768 @ 75Hz too :(02:10
LinuxJonesflopper, cool :D02:10
flopperLinuxJones, grrr! :))))02:11
LinuxJonesflopper, did you edit your XF86Config-4 file by hand ?02:11
flopperLinuxJones, just change resolution using ubunt tool02:12
flopperI'm waiting some packages upgrade to restart xfree02:13
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LinuxJonesflopper, ahh02:13
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LinuxJonesyikes I am only downloading @ 50 kb/s I usually can hit 575 from the repository :(02:15
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flopperLinuxJones, if I well remember this video card had the same problem under win, I think it's time to trash it ;)02:15
LinuxJonesflopper, ya it is VERY old time to break out the piggy bank :P02:16
Sam0rget a geforce 4 mx 440 from ebuyer or somthing02:16
Sam0rbout 30 quid afaik02:16
LinuxJonesSam0r, is a quid the same as a Euro ?02:17
Sam0rnot that i know of02:17
NewComerman, low download rate from bittorrent02:18
flopperbut it's incredible that a 32MB video card has proble at 1280x1024.. :\02:18
Sam0rwhat card was it?02:18
subterrificgeforce4 440mx is a pretty crappy card02:18
LinuxJonesDude I am from Canada, I only have heard of a quid on Coronation Street :P02:18
flopperati xpert 2000 pro02:18
Sam0ra what?02:18
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Se7him stuk02:19
Pakalhi, GDM does not start automatically at start up02:19
subterrificthe ti4200 card would be better if you can find one02:19
Se7hi can't find a way to force my monitor to display in 115202:19
Sam0rsubterrific: i have that card02:19
PakalSe7h: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86"02:19
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LinuxJonesPakal, does it display any errors on your screen ?02:19
Se7hPakal i've already done that02:20
Sam0rhostname Server1.trippie.co.uk02:20
Sam0roh ffs wrong keyboard again02:20
Pakalsay: "gdm starting" even an OK message appear02:21
Pakalbut does not start02:21
LinuxJonesPakal, when did you install ?02:21
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PakalI make a symlink /etc/init.d/gdm -> /etc/rc3/@S99gdm02:22
Pakalbut don't fixed02:22
PakalLinuxJones: two days ago02:22
subterrificyay, found a fun way to bring oracle to its knees. run 200,000 queries plus a full database export at the same time, while also dropping a few tables02:23
subterrific load average: 21.96, 21.38, 21.8302:23
WWsubterrific: Jeez, and I was just about to try that...02:23
LinuxJonesPakal, there were some problems with Gnome starting the last few days, do an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade02:23
Pakal"apt-get -f -y dist-upgrade" is correct?02:24
WWq2: You're over here, too?02:24
LinuxJonesPakal, you have to update first to get new package lsit02:25
LinuxJonesq2, dpkg -i (in console) to install a .deb package02:25
q2WW, yes02:25
jayeola_afkhi guys02:25
q2WW, im using Ubuntu02:25
LinuxJonesjayeola_afk, hi02:25
subterrificWW: i'm sure a better machine could handle it, but this is just a 3ghz P4 w/ 2gigs of memory02:26
Sam0rholy shit elinks is fast02:26
q2LinuxJones: So like: dpkg -i /home/q2/thedebiwant?02:26
WWsubterrific: Ah, that explains it.02:26
LinuxJonesq2, ya02:26
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WWq2: What .deb are  you installing?02:27
q2a few desktop environments02:27
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q2Enlightenment, Afterstep02:27
q2window maker02:27
WWq2: Not sure about afterstep, but enlightenment is in ubuntu universe.  You can use apt-get to install it.02:28
q2well it did not work when i apt-getted02:28
Sam0rwhats this univerce thing02:28
LinuxJonesq2, they are probably in universe02:28
Lizis it a good idea to update from the ubuntu archives?02:29
PakalLiz: yes02:29
LinuxJonesLiz, yes02:29
dommidare I chime in, Liz: yes02:30
Lizgnome.control.panel didnt update well, it crashed on me02:30
Pakalwhat significant package is on Debina and not in ubuntu?02:30
q2it did not intsall02:30
Lizif one doesnt upgrade well, wil lthe others that got apt-getted?02:30
dommiPakal, madwifi?02:30
Lizi love gnome :D02:30
Pakalq2: ubuntu is not for you02:31
Zombq2: yea, Gnome sucks. Months/years behind KDE, always.02:31
q2i want to use fluxbox02:31
Zombnot that I would use any of them ;)02:31
q2can i use that with Ubuntu?02:31
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dommiubuntu needs an ad campaign02:32
subterrificdid anyone have the latest hal break on install?02:32
dommis/apple/ubuntu # the true *nix02:32
q2Im having dependency problems02:33
q2is there a list of packages that work with Ubuntu?02:33
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dommibetter question, is there a ubuntu repository web site02:33
dommilike packages.debian.org02:33
subterrificuhm, just use synaptic02:33
PakalIm usign Windowaker, I proof fluxbox, XFCE, fvwm, but always return to WindowMaker 02:33
Se7hdoes anyone knows whats the Hsync that aneblas 1152 resolution ?02:33
smolast I heard it's planned, but not yet02:33
smo(a packages.debian.org equiv, that is)02:34
jayeola_afkok, i've set a box's resolution to "millions of colours" no i've got a black screen. what do i do?02:34
q2windowmaker wont install for me02:34
q2none will02:34
LinuxJonesq2, you can try adding a Debian repository for an app that you need, just don't go crazy downloading stuff from it.02:34
subterrificit's a better idea to not add debian repositories and just use ubuntu's universe02:34
q2LinuxJones, ???02:34
dommijayeola_afk, edit /etc/X11/XF85Config to default display of 16 bit instead of 24 bit02:35
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jayeola_afki can't see anything at all :(02:35
q2i really do not like Gnome02:35
dommihow are you ircing?02:35
LinuxJonesq2, you caqn add a Debian unstable repository to your /etc/apt/sources.lst file, you might however beak something if you go crasy downloading core stuff02:36
jayeola_afkdommi: it's another box02:36
q2never mind then02:36
subterrificLinuxJones: or just enable universe and get the same stuff...02:36
WWI could swear I added "How do add universe?" to the wiki faq...02:36
LinuxJonesgod my typing is horrible :(02:36
subterrificWW: seriously.02:36
jayeola_afkjust installed my distro on it as well, will i have to re-install?02:36
q2i really just want a low resource environment that works with ubuntu02:36
subterrificso much misinformation going around :(02:36
Pakalgod, my english es horrible :(02:36
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Pakalq2: try fvwm02:37
dommiisnt the entry commented out in /etc/apt/sources.list02:37
dommifor universe that is02:37
q2what is that like02:37
q2is it like icewm?02:37
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subterrificq2: why do you want a low resource environment?02:37
LinuxJonessubterrific, I thought that the Ubuntu and Debian trees were not inter-changeable ?02:37
cokehabitjoem: you're quiet tonight02:37
q2because i have a slow linux box02:37
joemcokehabit, you install it yet?02:38
Pakalq2: http://fvwm.org/screenshots/desktops/02:38
subterrificLinuxJones: they aren't, which is why unbuntu has universe. so you don't have to use debian's repositories02:38
cokehabitno joem 02:38
jayeola_afkdommi: any ideas? i can't see anything....02:38
subterrificLinuxJones: go read the FAQ02:38
dommijayeola_afk, ok02:38
cokehabiti haven't downloaded it yet02:38
dommidoes your box boot?02:38
cokehabitLinux leviathon 2.6.8-gentoo-r3 #1 Wed Sep 22 01:10:19 GMT 2004 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux02:38
dommiand do you get the black screen when it loads x?02:38
jayeola_afkyeah, dommi 02:39
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q2pakal, AWESOME!02:39
dommican you control alt function key to get to a text login?02:39
cokehabitcprov_: ahhhh a fellow englander02:40
jayeola_afkdommi: !!!!!! woooooot02:40
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jayeola_afkengineer, eh? what kind?02:40
q2Pakal: SHould i download a .DEB package? or does RPM work? or waht should i do?02:41
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dommirpms dont generally work on deb02:41
dommitoo many funkified things going on when you try to install them02:41
subterrificq2: for the third time, run synaptic02:41
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q2subterrific, wtf is synaptic?02:41
dommicokehabit, whats the word?02:41
subterrificq2: package management gui so you can browse packages by catagory02:42
dommiin case you were wondering02:42
cokehabitdommi: erm... 02:42
dommimust be an american thing02:42
subterrificq2: you can also enable the universe respositories so you will see things like fluxbox02:43
q2im a very lazy linux user02:43
cokehabitdommi: t-bird, cool02:43
cokehabithow long has ubnutu been around then?02:43
WWq2: Then you want Computer -> System Configuration -> Synaptic Package Manager  :)02:43
dommiheh, isnt there an argument goin on about whether kde is available from the ubuntu repository?02:44
dommiapt-cache search kde shows it is available02:44
dommias is kdm02:44
cokehabitdommi: is ubnutu source or binary?02:45
Kosaidommi: apt-get install kde worked fine for me.02:45
joemkde packages are available from universe02:45
kremlynDoes ubuntu change anything at all about Debian, other than the versions/locations of packages?02:46
kremlynAnything learned on one can be applied to the other?02:46
cokehabitjoem: what are the benefits of ubuntu02:46
tsengkremlyn: the basic workings are almost identical02:46
q2whats the flood channel?02:46
cokehabitwhat will i get from it that i dont from gentoo02:46
tsengkremlyn: as far as individual packages alot of things are patched in ubuntu for bug fixing action02:46
kremlyntseng: i.e. kernel compilation, network configuration, locations of configuration files..02:46
Kamioncokehabit: preview release was 15th September02:47
tsengkremlyn: those all work the same02:47
joemcokehabit, easy to set up, easy to use, easy package management, frequent updates/6month release cycle, good maintainers02:47
kremlyntseng: So what's different?02:47
joemcokehabit, things not compiled with a broken toolchain02:47
joemand that work02:47
tsengkremlyn: different from debian?02:47
kremlyntseng: Yeah :-)02:47
cokehabitjoem: you're not still going on about gcc are we02:47
tsengkremlyn: smaller set of "supported" packages, less flame wars, shorter release cycles02:47
cokehabittseng: i recognise than name from somewhere02:48
tsengcokehabit: im a popular guy.02:48
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joemtseng is known all over as the man02:48
q2subterrific, PM me so i can get this working easier02:48
kremlyntseng: Awesome.. :-) But I mean technically.  No changes to apt (other than sources).. no changes to stuff any debian user would know..02:48
cokehabittseng: you're a mate of lovechilds02:48
Sam0rwhich version of debian is ubuntu based on?02:49
tsengkremlyn: apt works the same. we dont recommend using debian targeted sources generally02:49
dommifrom how I understand it and I could be wrong.  doesnt ubuntu stabilize sid?02:49
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tsengcokehabit: erm, I wouldnt say that02:49
Kamionjoem: our toolchain isn't that significantly differemt from Debian's02:49
nonrootAnyone know how to import _all_ (old) evolution data from 1.4.x into 2.0.1 (rather than one file at a time)?02:49
tsengcokehabit: i know the guy, yes.02:49
Kamiondommi: right02:49
kremlyntseng: *nod*02:49
PakalSam0r: unstable02:49
kremlynHmm, so it would be fair to say that ubuntu is to debian, as dropline gnome is to slackware?02:49
joemKamion, was talking about difference between ubuntu and gentoo02:49
subterrificq2: sorry i havent slept in 2 days, i need to go take a nap. i'm just here waiting for a process to finish running at work so i can sleep02:49
cprov_cokehabit: a kind of ...02:49
Se7hdoes anyone knows whats the Hsync that aneblas 1152 resolution ?02:49
tsengkremlyn: hm, kinda like that02:49
Kamionjoem: ah, the discussion above was mixed-up, couldn't quite tell02:50
cprov_btw, I had a problem with the missed dependedes between wireless-tools and libw27, somebody knows Guus Sliepen <guus@debian.org> ?02:50
joemyea, its crazy in here02:50
kremlynAwesome. I can't wait for the release :-)02:50
LinuxJonesSe7h, why are you hung up on 1152 resolution ?02:50
Pakalsubterrific: "sleep 60m && init 0"02:50
kremlyntseng: Thanks for the info :-)02:50
Pakalsubterrific: so, you dont need wait02:50
Se7hLinuxJones cause i know the monitor is able to display it02:51
Se7hbut not by default02:51
subterrificPakal: it's a bit more complicated than that02:51
Se7hi got to force it02:51
cokehabittseng: joem want to know something funny? Lovechilld just installed Ubnutu and his monitor burned out02:51
tsengya he said02:52
dommihas anyone ever tried the velocd firewire cdrw from TDK on ubuntu?02:52
jayeola_afkthanks dommi . completely forgot about VTs!02:52
domminot a problem02:52
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cokehabitso tseng you still devv'ing all over the place then?02:52
tsengcokehabit: yeah.02:52
tsengcokehabit: im a freaking nut and a half02:53
subterrificPakal: i have to sit here and baby sit this process. it's a pretty complex long running thing that touches oracle, mysql, and several other custom pieces of software all across 5 machines02:53
cokehabitReporter: "Hey George, we still haven't found Osama yet..."02:53
cokehabitGWB: "Who?"02:53
cokehabitReporter "Osama Bin Laden... The Billionaire who lives in a cave...?"02:53
cokehabitGWB: "Oh, Batman!!!"02:53
Pakalok, good luck!!02:53
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subterrificcokehabit: heh02:53
tsengon topic duder.02:54
cokehabitwhats the topic?02:54
cokehabitjust support?02:54
tsengthe topic is ubuntu in general02:54
mdzyou know, the operating system :-)02:55
tsengnot politics or topical humor.02:55
cokehabitsorry, i just thought i'd give everyone a laugh02:55
Kamionwe'd prefer if the conversation were kept fairly closely to Ubuntu; it means those of us who feel semi-obligated to at least scan the channel logs don't have *quite* so much to wade through when we get up in the morning. :-)02:55
tsengwatch the episode of Family Guy for why topical humor is bad02:55
cokehabitmdz: well joem is getting me to install ubnutu so i thought i'd have a look02:56
mdzwe hope that you like it02:56
joemtseng, blahblahblah ubuntu02:56
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cokehabitwell i have to write out a "email client how-to" for gentoo and do some college work so i should get some free time around........ february?02:57
joemtseng, what do you think about a muine-gstreamer package?02:57
lifeless.window 1202:57
tsengjoem: hm02:57
tsengjoem: is it using xine now? i didnt even look much at that package02:57
tsengseeing as its the default :)02:58
joemyou have to edit the xine-conf file in the gnome2/muine dir to get it to use esd02:58
tsengya, gstreamer worked almost as well on gen202:58
tsengwe could try it02:58
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joemI like the gst backend because I can use gstreamer to set audio driver for all apps02:59
tsengright now all my packages are apperantly bunk02:59
joemwhy is that02:59
tsengTodd Berman said so02:59
tsengso it must be true.02:59
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joemooh damn, don't want to go messing with him02:59
joemwhat did he say about em02:59
tsenghe said02:59
cokehabitdamn im getting sadder......... speechd is coooooool02:59
tseng<tberman> tseng: yer shizzle is bunk brother man!03:00
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tsengthatd be neat if it were reverted to indubstrial pallete03:01
cokehabitecho "ubuntu Owns Debians Arse" > /dev/speech03:01
tsengthe brown sucks++03:01
DimSumtseng: Are you saying that Human sucks, or the port? :\03:01
tsengDimSum: the port is very nice03:01
tsengi dont like the brown in human is all03:01
DimSumAhhh :(03:01
tsengi like the indubstrial colors03:01
LinuxJonesI like the brown03:01
DimSumYeah, I like them both03:01
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tsengyou should also install firefox03:02
DimSumCan't stand it.03:02
tsengand stop stinking up the web03:02
DimSumFirst thing I did when I installed Ubuntu was took FireFox off03:02
DimSumUnfortunately, there's no IE for Linux, so I replaced it with Epiphany03:03
subterrificyeah, IE is much better for getting exploits03:03
DimSumsubterrific: Sure, if you don't patch03:03
tsengsubterrific: thats not my point at all03:03
cokehabitanyway, im off to fix gcc03:03
cokehabitlaters people03:03
cokehabitnice to see you again tseng 03:03
dommiDimSum, you like using IE?03:03
DimSumI do indeed03:03
subterrifictseng: i know, IE's rendering sucks too03:03
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DimSumsubterrific: Where'd you get that idea from?03:04
mdztseng, DimSum: don't get too attached to the theme either way; it's entirely temporary :-)03:04
DimSummdz: Shame :\03:04
tsengsubterrific: what i mean is, people using IE encourages web designers to make broken sites03:04
DimSumOh well, I guess it's here to stay on Windows XP, anyway ;P03:04
DimSumtseng: 20 says my site isn't "broken".03:04
DimSumIn any way.03:04
tsengnot yours03:04
DimSumI use IE... I test purely in IE03:05
tsengi was generalizing about web developers whos sites are frequented by Ie users.03:05
DimSumWhy would my site be "broken" ?03:05
joempeople don't bother to fix broken sites if the majority of people use a broken web browser03:05
DimSumMy site probably has 99% of it's hits from IE03:05
subterrificDimSum: you don't check the logs?03:05
DimSumI do03:05
DimSumLast time I checked, it was 99 ;P03:06
subterrificDimSum: lets see this amazing website03:06
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mdzDimSum: IE has about 70% market share and falling03:06
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DimSumHaven't updated it in a while03:06
DimSumBeen too busy with Sixth Form and stuff03:07
DimSumUni applications, etc03:07
punkass_i test my sites in IE 6, firefox, Opera, and IE 5.0103:07
DimSumpunkass_: Good man03:07
jonoanyone here know much about alsa?03:07
dommiie 5.01?03:07
dommiwow you are a sadist 03:07
DimSumI don't actually need to, though, considering how everything I do is XHTML 1.0 Strict, Transitional, and 1.1 compliant03:07
tsengDimSum: ah good.03:07
punkass_lots o people still running 98/95 out there03:08
DimSumIf Gecko has a problem with any of those, it can sod off, to be honest :)03:08
tsengvalidation of standards is a big plus.03:08
DimSumtseng: Indeed03:08
DimSumI also make use of the DOM, but I use a JS wrapper for compliance on non-IE platforms03:08
LinuxJonesjono, what is wrong ??03:08
DimSumSo again, everyone wins.03:08
subterrificDimSum: ghecko doesn't, IE does03:08
DimSumsubterrific: My site looks fine in IE, thanks.03:08
DimSumRenders a lot faster, as well03:08
mdzDimSum: "focusing" has only one "s"03:09
DimSummdz: You want to put 20 on that?03:09
jonoLinuxJones, I am having problems getting sound from my line in03:09
Kamionmdz: that's American English03:09
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DimSumI should warn you, I've made a lot of money this way03:09
jonoLinuxJones, I have a four channel sound card03:09
mdzDimSum: you'd have to split it two ways03:09
LinuxJonesjono, I am too drunk to help with that 03:09
mdzEnglish-English gets that one wrong03:10
LinuxJonessorry :D03:10
mdzDimSum: is your site intentionally 600 pixels wide?03:10
DimSumYeah, I'm british, so I'm allowed to say "focussing" and "colour"03:10
DimSummdz: It is indeed03:10
dommihttp://stonetable.org/2004/02/24/nifty-css-trick/ <-- very interesting for IE 5 developers03:10
DimSumMeans that 640x480 users can read it03:10
DimSumSuch as me, when I'm at college03:10
mdz640x480 users can also read it if you don't make it a fixed width03:11
DimSumYeah, but then the news articles would look teeny tiny.03:11
dommiDimSum, I checked the buffer and didnt see your site linked.  would you mind linking me to it?03:11
DimSumAnyway, it's not 600 pixels, it's 800 pixels03:11
DimSumI think :\03:12
mdzDimSum: then 640x480 users can't read it :-)03:12
DimSumdommi: http://osfocus.net/03:12
DimSummdz: True.03:12
DimSumActually, gah... lemme check how wide it is03:12
mdzit's really not important03:12
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mdzno articles about ubuntu on this site :-(03:13
DimSumYeah, it's 800.03:13
DimSumOh, I haven't gotten around to posting it yet03:13
DimSumStill, I figured the visual style would be good publicity in the mean time :P03:13
dommiDimSum, interesting layout03:14
DimSumdommi: Ty03:14
dommiThe logo needs work03:14
DimSumIt does? :\03:14
dommiI dont like the tagline being above the brand03:14
DimSumOh right03:14
dommiits a bit strange03:14
dommiI like the color layout03:14
DimSumClick on the bit where it says "More Articles..."03:15
dommiyou might want to consider using variable widths03:15
DimSumShould work in any major browser03:15
dommifirefox on ubuntu03:15
DimSumShould work then, give it a go03:15
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dommiyes it does...  03:16
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dommitoo lazy03:17
dommiI caught the toggle bit03:17
DimSumYes, it pwns.03:18
DimSumAlso, for those of you who are interested, I'm using a PNG DXAlpha loader filter to display the PNG files with 32-bit transparency under IE6; everything on the site is PNG, and therefore looks lovely.03:18
punkass_just did this one: www.licq.com03:19
dommiyou ever use plone and zope?03:20
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subterrificpng's with transparency just work in other browsers03:20
DimSumdommi: Who, me?03:20
punkass_it was XHTML1.0 validated..but it looks like the guy who put it up changed a few things..so now its not :(03:20
subterrificlike css just works03:20
DimSumsubterrific: Yep.03:20
dommiDimSum, anyone03:20
DimSumpunkass_: :(03:20
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subterrificno need for extreme work arounds for broken IE03:20
DimSumdommi: Never even heard of them03:20
DimSumsubterrific: Sure, "broken" IE.03:20
subterrificDimSum: yes, it renders valid CSS with zero logic03:21
DimSumpunkass_: Not a bad site.03:21
DimSumsubterrific: IE renders CSS perfectly, thanks.03:21
punkass_i wish IE would do PNGs without the extra stuff..that would be nice03:22
DimSumpunkass_: It will do, soon.03:22
dommiI wish IE would do more than that03:22
subterrificnot so perfect03:22
dommipngs are low priority03:22
DimSumdommi: Like what?03:22
dommitabbed browsing03:22
dommifor one03:22
punkass_dommi: good point..:)03:22
DimSumTabbed, ugh.03:22
DimSumThat's reason #1 why I hate FireFox.03:22
dommidont use it. :)03:22
dommitabbed browsing that is03:23
subterrificthats a really stupid reason to hate it because you can turn it off...03:23
punkass_i could never live without tabs now03:23
Hrdwr_BoBno-one is forcing you to use tabs03:23
DimSumUnfortunately, it certain browsers, you have no choice.03:23
Hrdwr_BoBnot to mention that tabbed browsing is the best thing since sliced bread03:23
subterrificlike IE, because it has no tabs03:23
DimSumsubterrific: Thank god.03:23
smoI must admit that it's an odd concept .. that gnome is moving towards a spatial concept, and browsers are moving .. backwards03:23
Hrdwr_BoBDimSum: I fail to see your point?03:23
punkass_tabs in my terminals, tabs in browsers.. tabs in editors...give me tabs!03:23
Hrdwr_BoBit's trivial to use firefox without tabs03:23
DimSumHrdwr_BoB: You ever heard of ALT+Tab?03:23
Hrdwr_BoByes, but I fail to see why that makes it bad03:24
Hrdwr_BoByou can choose not to use it03:24
DimSumNo, you're missing the point03:24
DimSumALT+Tab doesn't work in Tabbed Browsing.03:24
DimSumWhich is why I hate it03:24
dommicant you assign hotkeys in firefox?03:24
tsengits Ctrl+Tab03:25
DimSumDoesn't change the fact that ALT+Tab doesn't work03:25
Hrdwr_BoBalt 1/2/3/4/5/6/etc03:25
DimSumtseng: I'm aware of this, but my left hand stays on the ALT and Tab keys in it's default position03:25
Hrdwr_BoBI think you've decided you don't like tabs03:25
DimSumThumb on Alt, middle finger on Tab.03:25
Hrdwr_BoBand nothing could eve change your mind03:25
subterrificthats gotta suck, you have to tab through windows of every other app when all you want is to see another browser window03:25
dommiactually he probably would if you could alt tab through tabs03:25
Hrdwr_BoBDimSum: you don't use your keyboard enough then03:25
DimSumHrdwr_BoB: Exactly03:25
DimSumHrdwr_BoB: Sure I do03:26
DimSumI hardly ever touch the mouse03:26
DimSumWhich is why I hate tabs so much03:26
Hrdwr_BoByour thumb should sit on space03:26
DimSumSure, thumb of my right hand.03:26
Hrdwr_BoBwith your fingers over the keyboard03:26
punkass_i had a buddy that was a full IE guy..said fire(bird)fox sucked etc...now thats all he uses..03:26
Hrdwr_BoBdon't you use say... asddfqwertyzxcvbg03:26
subterrificDimSum: ctrl-tab gives only browser tabs which is more efficient than alt-tab which gives you a list of every single window for every app03:26
DimSumsubterrific: I like that choice03:27
DimSumI like to be able to order my Windows via Alt+Tab03:27
dommiooooh almost forgot, rhythm box is done importing music03:27
subterrificyou don't have that choice in IE03:27
DimSumSo that I can switch from porn, to explorer, to porn, to WMP9, to porn03:27
DimSumAll just by pressing Alt+Tab twice.03:27
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subterrificyou can't just see browser windows with IE03:27
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subterrificyou can in firefox03:27
Hrdwr_BoBI switch from apps my .. moving my mouse03:27
DimSumI don't WANT just to see browser windows03:27
DimSumHrdwr_BoB: Which requires use of my right hand, which is generally busy when viewing porn.03:28
subterrificDimSum: you just said you did, you use alt-tab to switch browser windows03:28
DimSumsubterrific: Exactly.03:28
DimSumBut I like to have other windows in BETWEEN my browser windows03:28
dommiDimSum, makes a valid argument.  I dont see a reason to dogpile :P03:28
Hrdwr_BoBit is a valid argument03:28
dommieven though you are a windows user :D03:28
Hrdwr_BoBhowever it's more about refusal to retrain03:29
smoI'm curious wether that user-case turned up in Sun's studies   hehe03:29
DimSumAnyway, I'm porting Epiphany to Windows03:29
Hrdwr_BoBor relook at things03:29
DimSumHrdwr_BoB: I don't WANT it.03:29
Hrdwr_BoBmany things are more effecient03:29
Hrdwr_BoBhowever it required the user to change03:29
Hrdwr_BoBbecause they're using a broken idea to start with03:29
DimSumI'm insanely efficient as I am, and restricting the ordering of my windows merely limits my choices03:29
punkass_different bad, same good.03:29
DimSumIf Linux is all about "choice", then Tabbed Browsing has to be one of the most retarded things the OSS comunity have ever come up with.03:29
Hrdwr_BoBend of story03:30
DimSumWith that said, Epiphany doesn't even give users the choice to disable Tabs, so you can't choose not to use it.03:30
DimSum== owned.03:30
Hrdwr_BoBdon't use epiphany03:30
Hrdwr_BoBit's crap.03:30
punkass_i agree03:30
DimSumOh well.03:30
DimSumI happen to like it03:30
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LinuxJonesDimSum, is you don't like oS why are you in #Ubuntu ?03:30
DimSumLinuxJones: Because I like Ubuntu03:30
DimSumGraphically, that is03:30
mdzthere's no requirement that you like anything in particular in order to participate in this channel03:30
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LinuxJonesDimSum, oh03:30
mdzwe do ask that you keep the discussion vaguely on-topic, though03:31
dommiour class project is to turn DimSum into a 100% linux user03:31
cyphosnifty ;)03:31
DimSumdommi: Um, no.03:31
DimSumPoint is, I need to install VB .NET 2005 so that I can finish writing Epiphany for Windows03:31
subterrificDimSum: so you think IE renders CSS 100% perfectly and you ignore the example i give you of IE not rendering valid CSS correctly and requiring insane work arounds.03:32
dommiDimSum, <nerd response>resistance is futile</>03:32
cyphosis anyone having problems when clicking on an application from the Applications menu, the application is started twice03:32
DimSumsubterrific: !care.03:32
DimSumMy site displays fine.03:32
cyphosie, if you clikc on terminal, two terminals are launched03:32
DimSumIdiots who use <h2> and <div> tags shouldn't be complaining about standards incompatabilities.03:33
Hrdwr_BoB"oh, what are you talking about, my site uses mime type text/plain, it works fine in IE..."03:33
DimSumIf they used css font-family assignments and Tables, they wouldn't have these problems03:33
subterrificDimSum: then you complain about tabbed browsing because you can't switch tabs with a keystroke, and refuse to use ctrl-tab and say you'd rather switch through a list of every window to get to whatever browser window you're looking for. all along ignoring the fact that firefox doesn't force tabbed browsing on you03:33
DimSumHrdwr_BoB: http://osfocus.net/, XHTML 1.0 Transitional, Strict, and 1.1 compliant, as well as CSS compliant.03:33
DimSumsubterrific: Like I said, I dislike FireFox.03:33
subterrificDimSum: you're text book fanatic. ignore all logic.03:33
DimSumIt doesn't use a standard Win32 toolkit03:34
cyphosalso too, what package do I need to get the kernel-sources? I merged kernel-package but there's no /usr/src/linux03:34
Hrdwr_BoBI'm sure it is but I was making an altogether alternative point03:34
Kamionguys, enough please, you obviously aren't going to convince each other and this isn't really the forum03:34
DimSumDoesn't use WTL, doesn't use MFC, doesn't use Windows.Forms, doesn't use anything that's even partially recognizable as a goddamn REAL interface on Windows03:34
mdz#browser-wars is next door03:34
dommihes right03:34
DimSumWhich means that oh, clicking on text boxes only sometimes works, clicking on buttons can sometimes do NOTHING if you click on them too fast, as well as various other inconsistencies03:34
DimSumdommi: Damn right I am. Force a 1.0 Strict check, as well ;P03:35
LinuxJonesHow do you ignore a user in XChat ?03:35
jayeola_afkok guys, if i am gonna dual boot with ubuntu, when i'm asked about grub, what do i say? no grub (cos i have it alrady from aother distro)?03:35
DimSumLinuxJones: /ignore <nick>, I would assume.03:35
LinuxJonesDimSum, ty03:35
dommi1.1 trumps 1.0 strict03:36
mdzjayeola_afk: generally, you'll want to let Ubuntu install grub in the MBR, because it will add grub menu entries for other operating systems03:36
spivLinuxJones: You can right-click on them and choose 'ignore', iirc.03:36
DimSumdommi, true; but 1.0 Strict is harder to validate to ;P03:36
DimSumBecause it's... strict.03:36
DimSumAnd, it does.03:36
LinuxJonesspiv, jsut foud it thanks03:36
DimSumCSS checks out, as well ;P03:36
DimSumAnyway, to be perfectly honest, I'm somewhat of a fan of Camino, myself.03:37
DimSumThe old Camino - without the gay FireFox-style tabs, though. Ones that you can't disable.03:37
mdzDimSum: ok, let's let that particular subject lie03:38
DimSumjayeola_afk: No offence meant to any homosexuals.03:38
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jayeola_afkDimSum: it's just a funny way to describe browsers and stuff03:38
DimSumOh, lol03:39
DimSumPfft ;P03:39
DimSumAnyway, I really do like this Human port.03:39
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jayeola_afkneed a hand bag icon?03:39
DimSumI'm actually rather proud, to be honest03:39
dommiI always thought safari was masculine and opera was effeminate03:39
nateI am having a bit of trouble starting Ubuntu after a fresh install03:39
jayeola_afkand IE is just .....03:40
DimSumjayeola_afk: Leet.03:40
DimSumnate: What's it doing?03:40
nateIt comes up to the GNOME splash screen but doesn't get any further03:40
mdznate: sounds like #194303:40
DimSumAny error messages?03:40
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LinuxJonesnate: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade might help03:40
DimSumUbuntu + Anaconda == would be pwn.03:41
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natehmm. I have an onboard audio device03:41
LinuxJonespixelated, hi03:41
natewas working fine with Fedora Core 203:41
sladenDimSum: oh even better, ubuntu + Graphical d-i03:42
natebut I'll try apt-get update and upgrade from a console session03:42
nateoh wait03:42
DimSumScreenshots, sladen?03:42
natewell well well03:42
LinuxJonesnate, some folks had problems the last few days but I think i tmus thave been fixed03:42
nateit did eventually load, it was just very very slow03:42
mdznate: that's symptomatic of #1943.  was your sound device detected correctly?03:42
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LinuxJonesnate, good03:42
sladenDimSum: When it comes out...03:43
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natedunno, it still won't respond to mouse clicks03:43
DimSumIf so, I'm not liking it.03:43
DimSumNot at all.03:43
pixelatedcoo.. i am checking to make sure there is a channel for ubuntu03:43
natelooks like something's chewing up the cpu03:43
pixelatedtony, ello03:43
mdzPGI != d-i03:43
mdzPGI is Anaconda03:43
DimSumIt is?03:43
mdzoh, no it isn't03:43
dommipixelated, no ubuntu chatter around these parts03:43
DimSumPGI is a multi-architecture graphical installer creation system for Debian GNU/Linux, originally developed by Progeny Linux Systems, Inc. for our Debian-based "Progeny Debian" operating system.03:43
mdzPGI is what Progeny used before they went to Anaconda03:44
dommianaconda is the red hat installer. no?03:44
DimSumAh right.03:44
natebut no. Oh well. Switching to alt-F1 and back again made it come right03:44
dommisarge would be the debian installer03:44
DimSumdommi: Yeah, Anaconda is lovely03:44
dommiit sucks03:44
DimSumNo, it's waesome03:44
sladenDimSum: ``Anaconda, re-branded[*] ''    (* with a 300-tonne sledge-hammer)03:44
DimSumMost aesthetically pleasing installer ever created, Anaconda.03:45
pixelatedtony is a friend of mine who is just starting linux, and he needs a little help getting gaim installed, its been a little while since i have used debian/debian based distro so he needs a little help03:45
KosaiI think gaim is installed by default.03:45
LinuxJonespixelated, is he using Ubuntu ?03:45
sladennate: interesting, so when the GNOME splash screen is `hanging' on startup, switching to Alt-F1 and back again clears it?03:45
dommipixelated, it should be on the ubuntu installer cd03:45
dommiand installed by default03:45
jayeola_afkok, if i'm dual booting, should my -new- ubuntu part'n be a root one?03:45
sladenpixelated: go to the Menu at the top and select "Gaim"03:45
dommijayeola_afk, root partition?03:45
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jayeola_afkyeah, what kind of part'n should it be? primary + ext3 + ???03:46
pixelatedheh he was trying to use something else for yahoo im... i told him gaim was it and now he sees its installed...03:47
dommi+bootable flag03:47
jayeola_afkroger that and thanks03:47
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jayeola_afkoh yeah, mount point = /   ?03:47
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jayeola_afkfor the new ubunti part'n that is ...03:48
natesladen: I don't think so actually. What seems to be happening is that raising dialogs is taking an extraordinarily long time. On the order of several minutes per window. Yet there's 300 MB RAM free and CPU's not going above 5%03:48
nateie, it took about 2 minutes to bring up 'File Management Preferences' from the Computer menu right now03:49
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dommijayeola_afk, yurp03:49
jayeola_afkroger that!03:49
nateI like the general look and feel though, I thnk03:52
jayeola_afkif this is the topic, i like the general look and feel of ubuntu03:53
jayeola_afkthe gui menus are very simple when compared to fedora03:53
jayeola_afknot sure about this sudo business, though.. <dives for cover>03:54
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nateI think sudo is a good idea actually03:54
natenot exposing the root user strikes me as a very sensible design choice03:54
RichNRockvilleI think that Ubuntu is the easiest that I have ever tried to install, actually it is the first one that installed and came up to a graphic screen that worked without having to get a unix guru to come edit some files. It has a lot of promise..03:54
natefor security03:54
LinuxJonesThank god they got rid of that insane Debian menu ....that always drove me crazy03:55
natewhat was that?03:55
jayeola_afku haven't seen gentoo *sheeesh*03:55
mdznate: are you on a laptop?03:55
jayeola_afki am03:55
mdzsomeone was reporting something similar on (I believe) an HP laptop on ubuntu-users03:55
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pixelatedtony: yo03:56
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tonyWhen I get my mail all the jpegs are "X" s...03:57
tonyThats the biggest turn off for newbies of Linux...you have do do a hundred things to make one thing work.03:58
DimSumOmg Marvilla said "thank you" to me for porting Human03:58
natemdz: no, a second-hand Celeron 1GHz desktop from a couple years back03:59
nateit is my play box03:59
natehmm, Synaptic reports 53 packages to be upgraded04:00
pixelatedtony: well think of it this way... linux (and most unix like os's) werent really originally designed for end-users, so it has only been in the last few years that they have been getting the 'niceties' and they are still ruff around some edges...04:00
nateDimSum: what's Human?04:00
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DimSumYou have USED Ubuntu, right?04:01
tonyI'd really like to make this work just for the sake of knowing...So where do I start?04:01
pixelatedis there a ppc version of ubuntu?04:01
nateyeah, I first saw it running on an iMac04:02
nateDimSum: this is the first time I have installed Ubuntu myself04:02
pixelatedhmmm, does it support old world macs?04:02
DimSumYou seen the default theme?04:03
DimSumThat's Human.04:03
nateit's rather nice04:03
DimSumWindows XP Port of it, courtesy of moi.04:03
nateI thought it used Industrial or something though04:03
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DimSumNah, Human04:03
DimSumIt's based on Industrial04:03
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pixelatedtony: best bet is to just ask here... i have never used ubuntu so i am not sure how everything is setup... you know what distro i use ;')04:04
smeggywhat are you trying to make work tony?04:05
tonyIm an idiot as pix will attest...to the operations of Linux...I do not know how to do anything...I need from the very most "basics" on up.04:06
smeggyWhat were you saying about not seeing images in your mail?04:07
tonyLike in Outlook ....you see a jpeg.....in Evolution...nothing..just an X.04:08
smeggyThat's a feature.04:08
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smeggyIt blocks images because some spam uses images to track who is viewing their spam email.04:08
pixelatedahhh in evolution, yeah you need to turn it on...04:08
jayeola_afktony: tell evo to open images?04:08
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smeggytony, go to Tools menu, Settings.  "Mail Prefences"04:08
smeggyThen click the HTML Mail tab, the chose "Always load images from the internet"04:09
jayeola_afktony, be carefull! that's how spammers track their prey04:09
nateyeah, HTML mail is usually mostly spam04:09
nateif someone wants to email you a photo they should send it as an attachment04:09
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natethough many phones I notice use HTML mail, which is kinda annoying04:10
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LinuxJonesnate, I only have html email atm :D04:10
tonyI told you guys I know absolutely nothing....04:11
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nateLinuxJones huh? meaning you can't read attachments?04:11
polokwhy doesn't xcdroast find my cdrw when it scans for it04:11
smeggytony, anything else troubling you? :)04:11
pixelatedd'oh ww04:11
polok(also when I manually add it, it won't let burn a cd)04:11
jayeola_afktony, have a look at this http://jayeola.org/dump/shot-mail.png04:11
LinuxJonesnate, no in refernece to your comment abotu most html mail being spam, maybe none of my emails are getting thru :P04:12
tonyI just loaded this last night before bed...Im sure I'll find something  04:12
jayeola_afkthat's how you tell evo to open/not images by default04:12
tonyI cannt hyperlink from here?04:13
smeggytony, what?04:13
jayeola_afkyou should be able to open it with a browser. what irc client are u using?04:13
smeggyJust right click on the link, and go to "Mozilla Firefox"04:13
smeggyand click Open :P04:13
smeggyActually, just right click on it and click open in web browser.04:14
tonyI got it...04:14
jayeola_afkit's a good idea _not_ to open images by default. loads of horrid ppl out there sending loads of nasty stuff04:14
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smeggyWhen does Warty get released officially?04:15
KosaiIn about two weeks.04:16
jayeola_afkok, so i'm installing ubuntu. it will be the second OS on a box. installer asking me where i wanna install grub04:16
jayeola_afkshould it be (hd0,0)? like that?04:16
jayeola_afki already have grub with fedora04:16
jayeola_afktony: u ok? u see the image....04:17
nateis this still the preview release? I forget04:17
LinuxJonesnate, ya04:17
nateit was mentioned on Slashdot so I downloaded it04:17
tonyYa perfect....Next ???04:17
natewell, Slashdot and everywhere really. And reviewed also.04:18
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smeggyThat's all you need to do Tony, like I told you and  jayeola_afk's screenshot showed.04:18
tonyGaim...yahoo. I signed in but my buddy list is gone04:18
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pixelatedtony: the buddy list is kept on the local machine...04:19
tonyThat was good smeggy....I need that kind of step by step.04:19
tonyThat sucks pix.....04:19
pixelatedtony: yeah it does... but aim keeps a copy remote, so i like it much better...04:20
smeggyI believe AIM and MSN store their lists serverside.04:20
jayeola_afktony: better not to have images loaded by default, unless yr into that sort of thing, u will see some horrible images through spam04:20
punkass_yahoo does to04:20
pixelatedsmeggy yeah i know aim does, i dont use msn...04:20
pixelatedpunkass: did save mine server side...04:21
punkass_i can throw in a live cd start gaim add my yahoo accound and it loads my buddy list04:21
punkass_oh..i have never have...maybe i lucked out and it did it for me 04:21
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tonyDo you have Gaim up Chris...uh pix?04:23
pixelatedhmmm been a while since i have used shadowirc...04:24
pixelatedtony: no, this machine doesnt run linux (the 18gig is in it and linux doesnt support the scsi card for ppc) and my other machine is busy testing a fresh install...04:24
pixelatedbeing called pix is strange...04:25
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tonyWhen are we going to ...where ever to pick up those Macs?04:25
sloopyi dunno... next weekend is the installation of the ball and chain... so i have been busy latly...04:26
sloopytony: yeah, for 20 years now...04:26
jayeola_afkball and chain? u getting married?04:26
sloopyjayeola: yeah...04:26
tonyYoure getting married?04:27
sloopytony: yeah, you should have gotten an invite...04:27
jayeola_afkupgraded grilfriend 0.9 to wife 1.0.004:27
sloopyjayeola: yeah with freesex 1.0 too! :')04:28
tonyTell the old lady to get off the phone...call me...I didnt...04:28
sloopytony: she aint on the phone... she left :')04:28
tonyBeta 2 in his case...04:28
sloopyjayeola: we have two kids together already, the wedding itself is actually a formality...04:29
jayeola_afkfather = shot gun 3.2?04:29
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jayeola_afkfather in law?04:29
sloopyjayeola: nahh...04:29
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Mojo_JojoHi i'm having troubles playing video files. I can get sound but no visual :(04:32
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sloopyis there a graphical app for installing with dependancy resolution? (something like dselect but runs in X)04:39
jayeola_afksynaptic = apt + gui04:39
sloopytony: there is your answer...04:40
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robertjheya all04:40
smeggyIt's in the computer menu.04:40
smeggyHey robertj.04:40
neighborleesloopy, that and found here: gnome panel : Computer > system configuration > synatpic package manager04:41
robertjFinally go ubuntu going on my g3 ibook04:41
robertjI got pulled away from the install and the power went out04:41
robertjcame back, had to futz with dhclient and do some dist-upgrades04:41
robertjseems like the only things still b0rk are hibernate and some permissions on /dev/pmu04:41
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sloopyhmmm how do you run it with root priv's?04:42
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jayeola_afksudo - blah04:42
smeggysloopy, if you're the first user account you'll automatically run it with root when you click it in the menu.04:43
smeggyOtherwise add the user to the sudo group and to the /etc/sudoers file.04:43
robertjhrmm, firefox isn't starting04:43
glensnoob question:  how to I run a shell script with nautilus in gnome 2.8?  Just seems to want to open it with gedit every time.04:44
jayeola_afkright click on d-top04:44
jayeola_afkopen new terminal04:44
sloopysmeggy: let me smack tony around... it is him asking... he is being lazy and not typing...04:45
smeggyglens, set it to executable, double click on it, then click run in terminal.04:45
robertjis this a known issue?04:45
smeggy(to set it to executable, right click, goto properties and tick the "Executable" box on owner.)04:46
sloopysmeggy: i use a rpm based distro and havnt used debian in a while, and have never used ubuntu so i am not familiar with the tools...04:46
glenssmeggy, it's executable but double clicking opens in gedit.04:46
smeggyglens, are you sure it's executable? Because opening in gedit is the behaviour I get here when a script is not set to executable.04:47
glenssmeggy, positive.  It's marked as owner rwx, group rx and otherw rx04:48
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smeggyglens, I'm not sure then.  You could get around the problem by creating a launcher pointing to the script and telling it to run in the terminal.04:49
tonyThanks smeggy...04:50
togsanybody familiar with IP masquerading? I have a few questions04:50
glenssmeggy, okay... thanks.  very strange.04:50
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smeggyglens, try going to "File Management" preference in the Computer menu and in the Behaviour tab, set "Executable Text Files" to run when they are clicked.04:52
q2where would Icons for programs be? i want to find the Icon for Evolution????04:52
smeggyq2, /usr/share/pixmaps ?04:53
robertjIs there an easy way to remap right click from f12 to another key?04:53
robertjon this ibook f12 requires pressing the fn key04:53
robertjso thats two keys to right click04:53
glenssmeggy, just tried but unfortunately it didn't things. :-(04:54
glenssmeggy, didn't >>help<< things.04:54
q2smeggy, thanks04:54
togsI have my internal shares going with Samba, so my boxes can see each other. Even following the how-to in the LDP can't put the XP box on the net.04:55
smeggyq2, and /usr/share/icons i think.04:55
robertjanyone here have problems firefox on ppc?04:57
togsIf my second ethernet interface on my ubuntu box is set to, is that what I put in the gateway for the XP box?04:59
togsthe second interface is the connection from linux box to XP box - first is modem to linux box] 05:00
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robertjNeither mozilla nor firefox will open at all05:00
smeggySounds about right togss.05:01
smeggyrobertj, open a terminal and run them there to see what the error is.05:01
robertjno error05:01
robertjmozilla-browser isn't installed though05:01
robertjthat's got to be bad05:01
smeggyFirefox doesn't need it.05:01
togsok. it could be the norton firewall on the xp box, i'll have a look at that05:01
smeggyWhat happens in a terminal when you run "firefox"?05:01
robertjselected locale: en-US05:02
robertjthats it05:02
smeggyThen it terminates?05:02
robertjjust sits05:02
robertjrhythmbox won't open either05:02
smeggyDoes that get an error?05:03
smeggyWhat error?05:03
robertjcouldn't initailize, did I run gst-register05:03
togsdo i need a gateway address in the second interface on the linux box?05:04
robertjI had all kinds of corba errors my first start as well05:04
moyogodoes anyone have gvim with its icon in the applications menu? It doesn't have any icon for me05:05
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partiallyhad anyone had a problem with cdrom detection?05:09
partially(durring the install process)05:09
Se7hon fstab05:09
robertjreinstalled and its working05:10
Se7his GUID=N,UID=N05:10
jsubl2moyogo, mine does not have an icon either05:10
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partiallyi have a shuttle SB65G2 with a WD Raptor drive with a Plextor dvd/cd rewriter and durring the begining of the install it askes for a floppy or for me to select the correct modules05:12
togspartially, i did, but that was on an old box. it worked fine in this one :)05:12
partiallytwenty minutes later, I found out none of the modules worked05:12
togsi couldn't tell you why though :)05:12
partiallytogs: this box is supported fine under debian, and seeing as ubuntu is basically "fancy" debian, I am not to sure why it does not work05:13
Hrdwr_BoBwell it does have an entirely different kernel05:13
togsmate, if you're using debian, you know more then I :)05:13
partiallytogs: heh, i *started* with debian a year ago, it was not the best choice to start with =p05:15
togsI just can't get my other XP box on the net through ipmasq, is all :)05:15
togsubuntu is my first real linux experience for about a year or so05:15
partiallyHrdwr_BoB: i had kernel 2.6.8-smp and debian installed fine on this computer, no problems, so i don't think it is the kernel05:16
partiallyubuntu uses 2.6.8, correct?05:17
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robertjCan anyone test out a possible rhythmbox bug here?05:17
partiallyrobertj: i am game05:18
robertjStart Rhythmbox for the first time and then ask it to search on an sftp:// loc for your library05:18
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Se7hi got a locker on my pasted files05:19
Se7hwhat does that mean =?05:20
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reddawn9OOD JO8 0N th3 d1s+rI8U+ION5 GUY5 05:20
smeggyMust you speak like that?05:21
neighborleeis there a fix for the mplayer weirdness ?LOL05:21
reddawnfine danmm.. 05:21
partiallyreddawn: i am not digging the caps05:21
reddawnanyways why is Gnome the default desktop!05:21
wm_eddieI knew it!05:21
partiallywhy not! =p05:21
reddawnIt sucks05:21
wm_eddiereddawn: Same reason KDE is the default on others.05:21
reddawnKD3 r0x0Rez 05:22
neighborleereddawn, cause gnome rulez05:22
neighborleewm_eddie, heh exactly05:22
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reddawngnome not much eyecandy..05:22
wm_eddiereddawn: It has plenty.05:22
smeggyIf you don't like it, install KDE.05:22
reddawnnot by default05:22
reddawni did05:22
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smoI'd love to see r0x0Rez on a nice ibm-style advert05:22
reddawnkde 3.305:22
robertjpartially: did you get the same result?05:22
smeggyThen what is the problem?05:22
partiallyrobertj: yes05:22
reddawnjust asking why gnome was default05:22
smeggyGnome is the default because there are Gnome developers working on Ubuntu.05:23
robertjI guess the next question is, anyone got a fedora 2 system laying around to test on?05:23
wm_eddiereddawn: Because it's the favorite.05:23
smeggyAnd Gnome is a sensible choice for a desktop oriented OS.05:23
reddawnoh ok. that explains05:23
reddawn1 think5 uBuNTU 15 9R3@T @Nd W1+h kD3 Th4t sh1T R0X0R eVeN M0R3! 05:23
neighborleesmeggy, yes that too...gnome being the one truly GPL wm doesn't hurt either <wink>05:23
smeggyPlease don't talk like that, reddawn.05:23
smeggyneighborlee, ;)05:23
reddawnI use Gentoo05:23
wm_eddieneighborlee: it's not a wm...05:23
wm_eddieI knew it!05:23
togs2.8 is a big improvemnt over the version in RH 7.3, anyway :)05:24
robertjpartially: have any other boxes to test rb on?05:24
robertjI nuked my f2 partition a few weeks ago05:24
wm_eddiereddawn had Gentoo/KDE ____ written all over him05:24
partiallyi have a debian box and a suse05:24
reddawn  ____            _                ____                         05:24
reddawn / ___| ___ _ __ | |_ ___   ___   |  _ \ _____  _____  _ __ ___ 05:24
reddawn| |  _ / _ \ '_ \| __/ _ \ / _ \  | |_) / _ \ \/ / _ \| '__/ __|05:24
reddawn| |_| |  __/ | | | || (_) | (_) | |  _ < (_) >  < (_) | |  \__ \05:24
reddawn \____|\___|_| |_|\__\___/ \___/  |_| \_\___/_/\_\___/|_|  |___/05:24
partiallyno fedora05:24
smeggyYou can smell the Gentoo users a mile off..05:24
reddawnwhat wrong with gentoo?05:24
smeggyActually, I lie.05:24
wm_eddiereddawn: everything.05:24
smeggyYou can't smell them.05:24
robertjpartially: anything besides sid that might have rb .8 series?05:24
smeggyYou can smell their CPUs melting, from all that compiling.05:24
neighborleereddawn, gentoo is fine..IF you dont mind compiling yourself into oblivion..SOME of us have lives outside of GCC05:24
smeggyThat, and the .00005% speed increases they pull from their arse.05:25
reddawnhehehe not really if you have a fsck 3.4Ht05:25
reddawn2Gb ram05:25
smeggyThey smell a bit too.05:25
neighborleewm_eddie, cuse me yes..its a desktop ENV>...metacity is our beloved WM LOL05:25
partiallyrobertj: no05:25
smeggy<3 metacity05:25
reddawnyou are just a freaking Debian.. no0b05:25
wm_eddiereddawn: http://www.funroll-loops.org/05:25
reddawnna.. thanks05:25
smeggyWho wants to take bets on how old reddawn is?05:25
wm_eddiejust look there, and get embarrased.05:25
reddawnsee what i mean..05:25
smeggyI'm saying 14.05:25
reddawnhehe.. not even.05:25
smeggyOh, 12?05:26
reddawnDebian users i knew it..05:26
smeggyHey, at least we have a sense of humour.05:26
togswhy come in here if you are only gonna slag off debian?05:26
reddawnim not!05:26
smeggyAnd a life outside of recompiling our systems.05:26
neighborleereddawn, is there anything else ?<G>05:26
reddawnyou guys are bashing on Gentoo05:26
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smeggyNo we're not.05:26
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reddawndid i say anything bad about debian05:26
neighborleej/k of course..but you kinda had that coming ;-)05:26
smeggyWe respect Gentoo.  That doesn't mean we have to use it.05:26
smeggyRight guys? :)05:26
wm_eddiereddawn: Gentoo is just a bad idea.05:26
reddawnthats right..05:26
wasabii don't respect gentoo.05:26
reddawnu dont have to use it..05:26
wm_eddieI know, because I'm using it right now.05:26
partiallyi very much like gentoo, i just did not like the package system over debian05:26
wasabiam i suspose to?05:26
smoit's certainly a user-case that ubuntu doesn't cater to .. horses for courses05:27
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partiallyemerge vs. apt-get, apt-get wins in my book05:27
reddawnI like both Debian and Gentoo05:27
neighborleesmo, lol05:27
wm_eddieapt-get > emerge definately05:27
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wm_eddienothing is more annoying than waiting half an hour, to see it fail!!!05:27
smeggyIt doesn't really matter.05:27
reddawnna.. that cuz you people run freaking i386's05:27
glenswhy can't we all just get along? :-)05:27
smeggyThis is the whole point of free software.05:27
neighborleeglens, we can and usually DO05:28
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wm_eddiereddawn: or perhaps I have a Athlon-64...05:28
neighborleereddawn, its all personal taste ;-)05:28
reddawni dont have have to wait half an hour i wait secons on my 3.4HT05:28
reddawnsame shit..05:28
neighborleereddawn, some use JUST ubunt and some multi boot into oblivion LOL05:28
smeggyrofl.  I'd like to see you compile KDE in "seconds" on your mythical "uber beast".05:28
reddawni have a dual Opteron and u dont see me bitching?05:28
smeggyI thought it was  Pentium?05:28
wasabihas ubuntu made any comments about what type of java support they might be doing?05:28
smeggyYou seem quite confused.05:28
reddawndont be stupid of course it will take a while.05:28
phr0stbyteHas any1 got an nVidia card running with the nVidia drivers here?05:28
Kosaiwasabi: Yes.  Read the FAQ.05:28
smeggyphr0stbyte, yes.05:29
reddawnI have a P4 3.4HT as my main righ..05:29
neighborleephr0stbyte, yes they work fine05:29
reddawnmy server is a dual opteron 2.005:29
smeggyreddawn, We really don't care.05:29
reddawnGet it!05:29
phr0stbytesmeggy: I cant get mine going....05:29
wm_eddieI need to get both Java 5.0 and Java 1.4 on my laptop.05:29
reddawnThey you ask?05:29
smeggyphr0stbyte, What's happening?05:29
wm_eddie(I need 1.4 for homework)05:29
smeggyreddawn, I didn't.05:29
neighborleephr0stbyte, hmm what have you tried so far05:29
partiallyreddawn: you have told us abotu your computers and we are overly impressed, *new* topic05:29
reddawnDebian users..05:29
smeggyYes, we're so impressed, we just can't bring ourselves to mention them again.05:29
smeggyBecause if we mention these extremely high powered machines, we may cry.05:30
wm_eddiereddawn: Gentoo user... :p05:30
reddawnHOw @B0u+ J00 GUy5 JUS+ shUt +He FUxOR UP 4nD +4Lk 48OU+ $0MeTHinG eL53! 05:30
phr0stbytesmeggy: It works fine with just the "nv" driver, but when I change it to "nvidia" it borks out saying no usable screens05:30
smeggyWe've been suggesting that for ages.05:30
reddawnapt-get install nvidia-gls i think  phr0stbyte05:30
reddawnapt-get install nvidia-glx i think  phr0stbyte*05:30
neighborleephr0stbyte, reddawn is correct..then there is one command you run afterwards which sets the 3d driver up05:31
reddawnthen modprobe nvidia05:31
reddawnnot it should do it automatically05:31
neighborleephr0stbyte, ie: you dont have to edit XF86Config anymore05:31
reddawnthat how i did on my Ubuntu box05:31
smeggyDon't edit the X config file05:31
neighborleeno I mean to enable 3d..05:31
wm_eddiephr0stbyte: in fact do not ever edit XF86Config ever again.05:32
smeggyBecause you'll break dpkg's handling of it.05:32
reddawnapt-get nvidia-glx, modprobe nvidia, edit xf84config and change the nv to nvidia05:32
partiallyhow stable is ubuntu? i am thinking about implementing it on one of my server, any thoughts?05:32
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reddawnReally stable for me atleast05:32
neighborleepartially, can't imagine any trouble you'd have05:32
wm_eddiereddawn: you sure? I thought dkpg handled that?05:32
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neighborleepartially, its as stable as debian so far that i can see05:32
wasabipartially: it's debian.05:32
reddawnyes but i didnt need to do that. thouhg05:32
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smeggyphr0stbyte, Install the module.  Do sudo modprobe nvidia.  Then run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8605:32
partiallywasabi: heh05:32
wasabipartially: mostly it's just debian with a more appropiate management structure. ie, releases.05:33
reddawngood point05:33
wasabiand a very nice default set up05:33
neighborleewasabi, yup05:33
partiallydoes it use XFree or X.org?05:33
phr0stbyteDoing it now05:33
wm_eddieI'm thinking about changing this system to Ubuntu... but other than the sometimes frustrating failed e-builds, It's not too bad.05:33
smeggyIts a polished Debiant without ancient packages.05:33
reddawnXfree :(05:33
normnmilesbut xorg next release05:33
neighborleewasabi, very nice default setup..i WAS impressed having sound with gnome out of the box ;-))..very kewl05:33
reddawnXorg is fucking fast!05:33
partiallynormnmiles: nice05:33
wm_eddieI still use XFree :)05:33
wasabiI imagine XFree will hang around under debian gets xorg packaged (which I think it waiting for it to be modulized?)05:33
partiallyi really hope debian also moves to x.org soon05:34
stuckupfoolcan Anone tell me what version of the kernel ubuntu 4.1 preview uses?05:34
reddawnit really fast05:34
wm_eddiebecause I have no want to compile X.05:34
wasabipartially: not until after sarge05:34
smeggyDoes it really matter if we use x.org or xfree, because as far as your average desktop system is concerned, it doesn't matter.05:34
reddawnur welcome05:34
reddawnXorg is faster05:34
wasabismeggy: XDamage.05:34
tonyready for more questions?05:34
wasabixorg isn't really faster.05:34
smeggyNothing really noticable.05:34
reddawna complete rewrite and taking stuff out that dont work05:34
smeggyGo ahead lol.05:34
wasabiand Composite support, which works for me. ;005:34
reddawnit starts up faster!05:34
wm_eddiereddawn: X takes about 1 second to boot on this thing.05:35
smoI'll admit I just want some of that transparency crack .. eventually05:35
reddawnmine too..05:35
wm_eddiegnome is what takes the longest.05:35
partiallysmeggy: x.org is a *little* faster, but i just like how fast the [project has been moving, whereas xfree is moving like a snail =p05:35
wasabireddawn: xorg isn't a complete rewrite....05:35
reddawnnot really05:35
wasabireddawn: xorg is nothing other than xfree forked05:35
tonyTrying to install amule05:35
normnmileschecked out the wiki and they have xorg scheduled for hoary.05:35
wm_eddieI do want that shadow hack too :(05:35
normnmileswith some mods like transparency05:35
wm_eddieI'm a sucker for eyecandy I must admit.05:35
reddawntrue but with the useless shit taken out..05:35
smeggypartially, Yeah, totally. I'm all for the move to x.org.  I'm just saying, that from a users POF, it doesn't really matter ATM.05:35
wasabiXorg does not have transparency05:35
wasabiit has composite support.05:35
reddawnOn my gentoo it does.!05:36
phr0stbytesmeggy: Then restart x?05:36
reddawnsudo killall -ABRT gdm  killall -ABRT X05:36
smookay, I'll admit my n00bness and rephrase  "I want something resembling kp's screenshots".  I'm honest  lol05:36
smeggyphr0stbyte, yep.05:36
wm_eddieIt's pretty sick, but it's not really needed, I'll manage.05:37
reddawni need to add ram to this testbox05:37
wm_eddieI'd rather wait for "real" transparancy and shadows, not just a hack.05:37
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smowell yeah .. following gnome's time-based releases is what sold me.  but I can dream of more candy05:37
reddawnsorry guys05:37
smeggyI prefer no transparency.  It gets in the way IMO.05:37
reddawnsometimes yes..05:38
partiallyKDE is way to clubbered for me05:38
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wm_eddieI used to be into KDE, but now --I don't know-- its strange.05:38
reddawnehh people have theirs tastes..05:38
reddawni use fluxbox sometimes05:38
reddawnwell on my server i use fluxbox05:38
wm_eddieI use XFCE4 on my laptop :) It's awesome.05:38
reddawnon my desktop kde05:38
normnmilesreddawn you ever try xfce4?05:38
partiallyreddawn: fluxbox is not bad at all, and it is pretty speedy05:39
reddawnnope is it nice/05:39
smeggyI use Mac OSX on my laptop ;)05:39
normnmilesvery nice05:39
reddawndo you have some shots?05:39
wm_eddieIt's really nice, with a lot of features.05:39
normnmileswm_eddie stole my thunder  :(05:39
reddawni might just look into that05:39
wm_eddiereddawn: they also have flash animations of it working05:39
reddawnhey guys are we getting forums.. thanks let me check it out05:40
wm_eddieflash files are at the bottom of the page.05:40
normnmilesyes they are working on it05:40
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Se7hcan anyone tell me where i can get totem-xine from apt-get?05:40
smeggyThey'd better hurry.05:40
smeggyI want my forums!05:40
Se7hi reinstalled ubuntu05:40
phr0stbyteThanx all! nVidia driver is running!!!05:40
neighborleephr0stbyte, kewl ;-)05:40
Se7hso i've lost the sources i had05:40
wm_eddiereddawn: I can't say much for it's file browser though.05:40
neighborleephr0stbyte, now get those kewl linux native games! ;-)heh05:41
reddawnWoahh  im inpressed!05:41
neighborleephr0stbyte, heh05:41
smeggyphr0stbyte, good job :)05:41
reddawnfast and nice eyecandy05:41
wm_eddiebut Rox Filer is a good and very fast alternative05:41
reddawnit is rox r0x05:41
neighborleewm_eddie, never tried it but I know of it..i prefer gentoo FM &/or nautilus05:41
phr0stbyteNow I can install UT2004!05:41
smeggyHow'd you get it going phr0stbyte?05:41
neighborleegentoo is so light and very customizeable05:41
reddawngot it? phr0stbyte?05:41
flamesrockhey, I'm curious, has anyone recieved their free cd's?05:41
phr0stbytesmeggy: xactly as you said05:41
flamesrockI can't wait to install05:41
smeggyphr0stbyte, ah good. :)05:41
reddawn3d working nice..05:42
normnmileswarty hasn't been finalized yet i don't think.05:42
reddawncant live withoug 3d05:42
normnmilesmiddle of oct05:42
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wm_eddiereddawn: have you tried that Java3d WM?05:42
reddawnbeen wanting too.. havent gotten around too..05:42
reddawnlooks kinda sexy and resource hungry05:42
stuckupfoolcan anyone direct me towards a good article on setting up ALSA in ubuntu?05:43
reddawnit should work already stuckupfool!05:43
hellostuckupfool: it didn't set it up automatically?05:43
phr0stbyte4975 frames in 5.0 seconds = 995.000 FPS05:43
phr0stbyte4940 frames in 5.0 seconds = 988.000 FPS05:43
phr0stbyte4938 frames in 5.0 seconds = 987.600 FPS05:43
phr0stbyte4946 frames in 5.0 seconds = 989.200 FPS05:43
phr0stbyte4974 frames in 5.0 seconds = 994.800 FPS05:43
phr0stbytenot bad...05:43
reddawnopen up a console and type  alsamixer05:43
stuckupfoolI can't hear things so I'd say its not working05:43
reddawnand unmute everything05:43
smeggyreddawn, sexy and resource hungry eh? Sounds like KDE! :P05:43
wm_eddie12498 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2499.600 FPS05:43
wm_eddiepwned :p05:43
reddawnhehe.. punk..05:43
reddawnholly shit... really pwned!!05:44
phr0stbytewm_eeddie: you suck05:44
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phr0stbytewm_eeddie: my card is several years old....05:44
reddawnmines suck on here!05:45
phr0stbytegotta get a new one soon05:45
reddawnthis is my test system :(05:45
reddawnEquinox-Specs:  | Linux | AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 748.856 MHz | Bogomips: 1474.56 | Mem: 144/314M [||||||||||]  | Diskspace: 84.78G Free: 46.87G | Procs: 88 | Uptime: 50 mins 10 secs | Load: 0.08 0.15 0.16 | Vpenis: 31.5 inches | Screen: @1024x768 (24 bpp) Core: 149.788 MHz Memory: 182.952 MHz Wifi: In: 9.56M Out: 2.71M 05:45
wm_eddiephr0stbyte: Just save up about $200 and you can get a real nice one.05:45
wm_eddieplease no scripts.05:45
reddawnwhy not?05:45
smeggyBecause they're annoying.05:45
reddawnehhh.. shit atleast im not flooding05:46
phr0stbyteLinux Phr0sty #1 Thu Sep 30 13:50:46 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux05:46
reddawnhow come there is not OP05:46
wm_eddiebecause then this room will become like #DDRManiaX  with scripts going by so much you can't read what people are saying.05:46
smeggyBecause FreeNode network policy encourages operators not to remain opped.05:46
reddawnim not like that i was just showing you guys how shitty the system is and how fast Ubuntu runs05:46
partiallyhow is the packaege count for ubuntu compared to debian05:46
reddawnthats all05:46
reddawnno wonder otw moved to Efnet05:47
phr0stbyteNo MPlayer in Ubuntu?!?!?!05:47
smeggyJust use Totem. ;)05:47
reddawnapt-get install mplayer05:47
wm_eddiephr0stbyte: http://www.arslinux.com/~jorge/sources.list05:47
helloapt-get install mplayer05:47
wm_eddiemplayer stuffs for ubuntu05:47
hellobesides, totem is better :-)05:47
wm_eddieyeah totem is better.05:47
phr0stbytehello: no way05:47
wm_eddieanyone know where I can get totem-xine?05:48
reddawnuse synaptic to search for it!05:48
reddawnGoogle is your friend!05:48
smeggyIt's not in the default Ubuntu repos.05:48
reddawn!google totem-xine05:48
wm_eddieI mean, like non-retarded totem-xine05:48
reddawnshit wrong channel05:48
normnmilespartially, check out components section on website.05:48
smothe testing component of the debian-marilliat (google for mirrors) appears to work ok .. but it's of dubious legallity, so don't expect it in universe any time soon05:49
wm_eddiereddawn: I'm asking for something I can put in my apt sources05:49
reddawnim recompilling my Ubunto kernel05:49
reddawnoh ok..05:49
smeggytotem-xine is in Universe.05:50
wm_eddiesmeggy: non-retarted version?05:50
smeggyDefine what you mean by "retarded"?05:50
reddawnnot many things are included05:50
reddawnwont play certain files05:50
reddawnbecause of the copyright shit.05:50
wm_eddieCan't play certain file formats because of legality issues.05:50
smeggyYou'll just have to try it and see.05:51
smeggyBut I'm guessing its probably "retarded".05:51
reddawni had to get w32codec to play WMA files on xine and mplayer05:51
neighborleeso anyone know how to stop the weird /dev/mixer 'flashing dialog warning' problem with mplayer ?05:51
neighborleeand yes I do have libdvscss2 installed05:51
reddawngot me there.. buddy05:51
neighborleeme too lol05:51
wm_eddieBut unfortunately I can't get sound working so it doesn't matter yet.05:51
neighborleenever seen this behavior b405:52
wm_eddieI need alsaconf T_T05:52
reddawnim updating udev, base layout05:52
reddawnand recompiling my Ubuntu kernel some missing modules issues05:52
phr0stbytewm_eeddie: Wont the Debian packages in some of those sources break Ubuntu?05:53
reddawndoes it even detect your soundcard wm_eddie?05:53
wm_eddiephr0stbyte: That's why I'm asking for people with experience.05:53
wm_eddiereddawn: I have a IBM 400E, Alsaconf detects it correctly.  It's kind of hard to explain.05:54
wm_eddieThe souncard has Legacy emulation.05:54
wm_eddieand the cs45XX driver doesn't work correctly.05:54
reddawndoes it show up in /dev/05:54
wm_eddieso you just force alsa to use the legacy card, and it works perfect.05:55
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reddawnoh ok..05:55
reddawncuz i had a same problem kinda like yours..05:55
reddawnbut it turned out that it was my tv-tuner sound card05:55
wm_eddieand they removed alsaconf because it was buggy (last time I checked)05:55
reddawnapt-get alsaconf  if your afraid that it will bork your system.. just backup /etc05:56
reddawnapt-get install alsa-utils05:56
partiallywm_eddie: the latest testing release of it on debian still had alsaconf05:56
wm_eddieI guess I'll do an apt-get update and try installing alsa-utils again.05:57
reddawntry that..05:57
wm_eddieIt's not too much of a problem. I use the laptop mainly for homework.05:58
reddawnhave you tried recompiling your kernel?05:58
normnmilesanyone have know of a wireless pcmia card that works with ubuntu?05:58
reddawni guess anything with a Prism chipset in it!05:59
wm_eddie15014 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3002.800 FPS05:59
wm_eddienormnmiles: my orinoco gold card works fine.05:59
normnmileswm_eddie, thanks!06:00
reddawnit is the prism chipset?06:00
reddawnlspci ??06:01
wm_eddiegood question.  It uses the orinoco_cs driver.06:01
wm_eddieI'd have to boot my laptop.06:01
reddawnno its okay06:01
reddawnit prob does06:01
LinuxJonesnight all06:01
partiallyc ya06:02
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phr0stbytewm_eeddie: Now all I gotta do is get this Wacom Graphire3 working, and I'll be set!06:02
phr0stbyte(easier said than done)06:02
wm_eddieYou're on your own there, I've never even seen a wacom...06:02
phr0stbyteIts a drawing tablet06:02
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partiallyphr0stbyte: let me know if you get it working, my nextproject is getting linux on my toshiba m200 tablet pc; uses a wacom tablet06:03
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Se7hcan anyone tell me where i can get totem-xine from apt-get 06:03
Se7hand j2sdk1.406:03
jayeola_afkSe7h: prolly da weirs06:03
phr0stbytepartially: From what I have read, it does work - IF you can ever get it configured correctly06:03
phr0stbytevery few have06:04
wm_eddieSe7h: check out the site for info about Java.06:04
Se7hjayeola_afk wha ?06:04
neighborleeSe7h, just uncomment out the sources.list section universe and update and voila...06:04
Se7hwm_eddie k ty06:04
jayeola_afktry there, a massive repo06:04
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jayeola_afkbut do what neighborlee said. /etc/aspt/sources.list06:05
jayeola_afkuncomment the urls and you are away06:05
[rain] anyone have a clue why apm doesn't work with my bx-board in ubuntu? at least not when shutting down06:06
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Se7hone more thing06:06
phr0stbyterain: dissabled in the kernel?06:06
Se7hhow do i list the available partitions?06:07
Se7hfdisk -l ?06:07
[rain] phr0stbyte: I haven't changed anything. It's vanilla ubuntu. Could be disabled by default you mean?06:07
phr0stbyterain: could be06:08
wm_eddieSe7h: I can't seem to find that Java info right now, I'm looking06:08
nateso I am still getting used to the Debian way of doing things06:08
nateI take it Debian has no conception of a 'service'?06:08
nateI miss SysV init06:08
wasabidebian is sysv init06:08
nateit is? Hmm06:08
wasabi /etc/init.d06:08
[rain] phr0stbyte: hm, setting the screen to standy seems to work though. so at least there's some support06:09
phr0stbyterain: you can check by going to the kernel header directory and running "make mrproper" and then "make menuconfig"06:09
natethen why is there no GUI tool for managing services like there is in Fedora?06:09
wasabiGUI == sysv init?06:09
wasabibecause nobody wrote one?06:09
jayeola_afkSe7h: df -h06:09
natewasabi: Red Hat have one, one would think it would be trivial to port across to Debian 06:09
jayeola_afkand mount -l06:09
nateand in the Fedora world such a tool is the very first thing you look at after installing06:10
wm_eddie[rain] : You could do it if you wanted to but it's not really that hard to edit text files.06:10
natewhich surprises me that it's not there06:10
[rain] phr0stbyte: oh joy. I haven't touched a kernel config in years. about time I guess :)06:10
wm_eddieoops I didn't main rain I meant nate06:10
[rain] wm_eddie: I could probably do it too ;)06:10
wm_eddie[rain] : you could try booting with apm=on 06:10
phr0stbyteI got all my RAM reading now....06:11
neighborleek dunno why but mplayer is borked here...totem-xine works fine for my dvd player it seems...I checked bugzilla but I found nothing for mplayer so I guess i'd better file one ;-) ( unless someone knows something about this that Idont?)06:11
natethere's no chkconfig either06:11
natehow can one admin SysV init without a chkconfig?06:12
jh|homemove them manually06:12
wasabior make symlinks06:12
natethat's pretty primitive06:12
wm_eddienate: or pretty advanced...06:12
natewhat's advanced about having to do that06:12
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nateI can do that in Red Hat if I want to06:12
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natebut chkconfig makes it a bit simpler to avoid shooting oneself in foot06:13
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wasabiyou aim at your feet?06:13
wm_eddieI aim at my head06:13
natelet me start again06:13
natewhat is the Preferred Standard Debian Way of getting a list of what services are currently active and running for one's runlevel?06:13
jh|homea small perl script could do chkconfig's job too06:13
nateyes. Is such a small perl script provided?06:14
wasabinate, look in /etc/rc*06:14
jh|homelook in your runlevel directory06:14
natedoes that show the xinetd services also?06:14
wm_eddienate: I'm sure there's something in universe that can guify that06:14
wasabior write a nice program and share it all with us06:14
jh|homeman, we want everything these days06:14
wasabino. xinet != sysv init06:14
wasabino joke!06:14
natehowever, chkconfig also shows xinetd services06:14
wasabiyou could use gst06:14
natethis is why such a program is a very useful thing06:14
wasabibut i dislike it quite a bit06:14
wm_eddienate: have you tried apt-get install chkconfig?06:14
nateand has been around for years in Red Hat06:14
q2Wow, this is my first day of using Ubuntu, AND I FUCKING LOVE THIS SHIT!06:14
smeggyAs do I.06:15
wm_eddieq2: I'm glad you've seen the light.06:15
q2I love Debian based Distros06:15
jh|homewm_eddie, he just called it shit06:15
natewm_eddie: could not find package chkconfig06:15
q2Ubuntu, SuSe, And Libranet are my favorite!06:15
wasabichkconfig is a redhat tool06:15
smeggySuse isn't Debian based ;)06:15
wm_eddienate: well at least we tried :)06:15
q2i know06:15
q2i still love it06:15
[rain] "No APM support in kernel"06:15
nateRedhat does not mean not-open-source06:15
jayeola_afkis there an ascii art app?06:16
nateso, let me get this straight06:16
wasabinate then port it06:16
q2its blackjack time06:16
natethe normal, preferred, Debian way is to manually hack the rc*.d symlinks?06:16
natethis is what people do?06:16
wm_eddienate: what is it you want to do anyway?06:16
phr0stbyteDVD is playing nicely with MPlayer...06:16
jh|homethats what i do06:16
natewm_eddie I want to find out what services are active06:16
jh|homeits not hard06:16
nateso as to know what I am vulnerable to06:16
wm_eddienate: I haven't really ever messed with any of that.06:16
wasabinate, no, update-rc.d06:17
jh|homein your rc.* directory they are labeled with an S in your init default06:17
natewhat does update-rc.d do?06:17
nateis that the Debian equivalent of chkconfig?06:17
jh|homethats the possible service that could be running...but your best off just doing ps aux and see what service are active..06:17
wasabinate, not really, try it06:17
natethat's better, yes06:18
wasabii'd question why you had a service installed you didn't want running06:18
natelooks like it can do everything except list currently running services06:18
natewasabi: because sometimes you don't want to delete all your installation files just to disable a service06:18
natealso because I don't know what Ubuntu has installed by default and I want to sanity-check it06:18
wasabinate, then don't.06:18
jh|homei hope you never run into an old linux install somewhere nate :P06:19
natewasabi: er?06:19
[rain] so in other words the kernel is configured without APM support by default in Ubuntu? isn't that rather wierd?06:19
jh|home"boss i know this is a legacy system but i cant secure it because i dont have chkconfig to see what services are running" :P06:19
natein that case I would ask why someone was running a system more than five years old, if it were Linux06:19
wm_eddie[rain] : Because acpi is the new thing.  But people like me who use old cards have to switch to 2.4 :(06:20
wasabibecuase it worked06:20
wasabiand never stopped working06:20
jh|homeplenty of reasons06:20
wasabiwelcome to the real world06:20
jh|homesoftware is one06:20
natemeh, you Debian people with your supported-forever distributions. :)06:20
natein the Redhat world we get our security updates pulled after 18 months and we PAY for that priviledge06:20
natehence why I am switching away from Fedora. I just miss my creature comforts06:21
wasabisounds like a wastge of jmoney06:21
jh|homesecurity updates is a state of mind, right not the current sudo package in fc2 is vulnerable06:21
wasabiim sure ubuntu wants all those t hings06:21
wasabiit's just new.06:21
wasabiand based on debian, which doesn't want all those things06:21
nateyeah, I'm just trying to find out how debian people survive06:21
[rain] nate: why would I buy a new system if the current one works?06:21
natepresumably there are equivalent tools just under different names06:21
wm_eddienate: I'm asking around.06:21
wasabinate, not really.06:22
wasabinate we configure most stuff in the config files06:22
wasabithe tools we do have, are non-debian specific06:22
wasabisuch as g-s-t06:22
wasabiand webmin06:22
natechkconfig exists under both redhat and suse06:22
wasabithen port it06:23
wasabiand maintain it06:23
wasabibecause nobody else wants to06:23
nateyeah, I'm just wondering why nobody else has wanted to06:23
jh|homedamn right06:23
natethere's probably a reason06:23
wasabibecause it serves no purpose06:23
wasabiie waste of time.06:23
jh|homebecause its not interesting enough to waste energy on IMO06:23
jh|homethere are plenty better things to work on 06:23
jh|homelike figuring out why llvm is not compiling correctly on my amd64..06:24
wasabinot don't get me wrong man06:24
wasabii want cool utilities like that06:24
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wasabibut i'd rather for instance have a better init system for06:24
jh|homewasabi, admit it..its not _that_ cool..06:24
wasabii hate sysv init. =(06:24
natethis is more in the 'basic essential' rather than 'cool' box IMO06:24
wasabii like gentoo's. i'd still it if I could.06:24
nateie, I consider it part of a modern SysV system06:24
Se7hjayeola_afk sorry coulnd't get you there?06:24
Se7hdf ?06:24
jh|homei actually like sysv init06:24
wasabiit's not06:24
wasabichkconfig is redhat06:24
wasabinothing to do with sysv06:25
wasabisysv is the /etc/init.d and /etc/rc.d* LAYOUT06:25
Mojo_JojoHi, can someone tell me how to add java to my path so I can install my java apps :D06:25
wasabiread th faq06:25
jayeola_afkSe7h: are you talking about that url i pasted?06:25
jayeola_afkoh sorry, 'df -h' shows u disk usage space 06:26
Se7hi coulnd't understand what it was06:26
wm_eddieMojo_Jojo: temporarily export PATH=$PATH:/path/to/java/bin06:26
jayeola_afkand 'mount -l' shows u all filesystems moumnted right now06:26
Se7hthat path triky trick06:26
Se7hgave me a pain in the ass06:26
Mojo_Jojowm_eddie, how can I make it not temp?06:26
natehmm. I guess the equivalents for debian would be update-rc.d to change services and 'cat /etc/rc5.d' to list06:27
Se7hdf -h06:27
jayeola_afktry it06:27
jayeola_afktell me what u see06:27
jayeola_afkthere are a few simple ones....06:27
nateno easy way to see all in one hit what runlevels each service is set to, but since a desktop system only deals with runlevel 5 I guess that's sort of acceptable06:27
wasabinate, try g-s-t06:27
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Se7hjayeola_afk but i want to see my /hdx partitions (windows)06:28
jayeola_afkmount -l i think06:28
jayeola_afkmount -l 06:28
jayeola_afktry it06:28
jayeola_afktell me what u see06:28
nateis gnome-system-tools installed by default in Ubuntu?06:28
Se7hthat returns the fstab06:29
natehmm, I appear to have a 'ppp' service06:29
natewonder what that is06:29
natecan't be a ppp server, surely?06:29
natemust be some kind of dynamic ppp dialer I guess06:30
jayeola_afkSe7h: try 'man -k mount'06:30
jayeola_afkthat should list all the commands related to 'mount'06:31
jayeola_afki have a listing called.....06:31
wm_eddiehmm, I can't remember how I permanently added java to my path.06:31
jayeola_afkmmount               (1)  - mount an MSDOS disk06:31
jayeola_afkand there's a few more06:31
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wm_eddienate: there's a KDE app called ksysv I think as well.06:32
jayeola_afkaha. Se7h try also 'man -k msdos'06:32
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goatboynate: gnome-system-tools is in the default install, but the runlevels tool isn't.06:33
Se7hbut i want a simple think06:33
nategnome-system-tools in ubuntu does not seem to have a services manager06:33
Se7hthat is to know my win partitions06:33
Se7hcant remember what command it was...06:33
natemaybe they decided making services visible would complicate things06:34
goatboynate: it's disabled by default upstream.06:34
nateoh, ah06:34
nateso that's a Debian policy decision?06:34
jayeola_afkSe7h: di you try 'man -k mount' and man -k msdos?06:34
natenot a Ubuntu one?06:34
Se7hjayeola_afk yeah06:34
goatboyupstream as in from gnome.org.06:34
q2i have a problem06:35
natecuriouser and curiouser06:35
q2I dont know what my root password is06:35
wm_eddieq2: there is none06:35
q2i dont think i ever configured one06:35
nateUbuntu uses sudo rather than root06:35
wm_eddieuse sudo06:35
jh|hometype it here we will let you know if it sounds familiar06:35
q2thanks alot06:35
nateso when it asks for your password use your own one06:35
q2it works06:37
jayeola_afkif u must be root try 'sudo su -'06:38
jayeola_afkand u become root!06:38
q2it works06:38
q2Ubuntu is coool06:38
natethat's a feature I like quite a bit06:38
wm_eddieat first it was strange, but now I use sudo all the time.06:39
phr0stbytewm_eeddie: How can I get my other 80GB HDD usable from the time of boot?06:42
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wm_eddiephr0stbyte: adding it to fstab?06:42
phr0stbytewm_eeddie: Its there, but it seems regular users cannot write to it....06:43
natehmm, someone else on the mailing list asking why the g-s-t runlevel tool isn't included06:43
nateglad I'm not the only one who found that odd06:43
phr0stbytewm_eeddie: not sure how to do that...\06:43
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wm_eddienate < piman> You should manage it with update-rc.d, and run them with06:44
wm_eddie               invoke-rc.d.06:44
nateany idea what the rationale was for GNOME desupporting it?06:44
wm_eddiesorry about the strange whitespace.06:44
ceffirstly, ubuntu uses the debian setup, which doesn't use the usual chkconfig and the like tools which the g-s-t runlevel tool supports06:46
cefsecondly, there isn't anywhere as much distinction between runlevels on debian as there is in redhat. ie: there is no 'don't run X' runlevel.06:47
phr0stbyte/dev/hda2       /               reiserfs defaults        0       106:47
phr0stbyte/dev/hda5       /home           reiserfs defaults        0       206:47
phr0stbyte/dev/hdb5       /warehouse      reiserfs defaults        0       206:47
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natecef: ah, really? Interesting.06:47
nateno runlevel 3?06:48
phr0stbyte- /warehouse is not user writable for some reason06:48
cefdebian usually defaults to runlevel 2 for everything06:48
cef3, 4 & 5 are all copies of runlevel 206:48
nateso me doing 'cat /etc/rc5.d' to check for running services would be a mistake?06:48
wm_eddiephr0stbyte: add user and auto to the options06:49
cefthey're only there so you can set up custom runlevels 'if you wish'06:49
wasabisince cat doesn't do that06:49
Se7hi can i erase a directory that's not empty ?06:49
cefnate: yeah.. look in /etc/rcS.d, then /etc/rc2.d06:49
cefnate: /etc/rcS.d has the startup stuff, which is always run06:49
nateI suppose that's simpler06:50
cefnate: it's a very powerful setup.. moreso than rh's usually.. but the tools do need an overhaul06:50
wm_eddiecef: it wouldn't be too hard to make them would it?06:51
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cefwm_eddie: the tools? they're all scripts usually.. but it's basically that no one has wanted to touch them 'cos they work'06:52
wm_eddieBut are there any good GUI front ends?06:53
nateyeah, it's just a matter of learning the little differences06:53
hazmatany java for for ppc around?06:54
nateI'm relieved to find out Debian has SysV. Last time I looked at it I thought it didn't, but that was several years ago06:54
cefwm_eddie: ahh no idea.. I've mainly done it via the cli.. things will be a lot better for hoary (next release)06:54
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nateand the Ubuntu philosophy seems to be that everything should just work and be secure by default, which I think is a good idea06:55
cefthat's the plan06:55
Se7him getting error s on java06:55
nateif I could only work out why it is so slow to start up on my machine I would be very happy06:55
cefless things running as root, less things running that don't need to be06:55
chutwigbecause it's java, what more do you need to know06:55
jayeola_afkjava is shyte06:55
nateit's not RAM and it's not CPU, but something is making it take over 5 minutes to get from login to desktop06:55
cefSe7h: web or local?06:56
cefSe7h: so you're trying to write/run a locla java app?06:56
natenow I just need to learn how to understand the .deb format and I will be set06:56
cefnate: what sort of machine?06:56
calcnate: read debian policy and debhelper manpages, etc06:57
Se7hcef y, that's it06:57
Se7hInvocation of this Java Application has caused an InvocationTargetException.06:57
cefhrm, I need breakfast06:57
hazmatwm_eddie, thks06:57
jayeola_afki need sleep06:58
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cefjayeola_afk: it's 3pm in the afternoon.. I only just got up.. *grin*06:58
jayeola_afk06:02 here06:58
cefheh.. well then, you'll be getting up about the same sort of time as me.. *grin*06:58
natehmm. Should one use apt-get or aptitude nowadays?06:58
cefapt-get is a great tool, but a lot of people only need aptitude06:59
jh|homesynaptic is cool too06:59
cefnate: it comes down to personal preference usually06:59
wm_eddienate: People say that we shouldn't be using apt-get as our front-end.06:59
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Se7hhow do i delete an intire directory ?07:00
cefcalc: heh07:00
Se7hwich isn't empty07:00
wm_eddiewe should be using dselect/aptitude/synaptic07:00
wm_eddieSe7h: rm -rf dir/07:00
wm_eddiecareful with that one though.07:00
natecef: Desktop 07:00
calcapt-get has issues with resolving problems so its usually better to use a package manager like dselect/aptitude/synaptic like wm_eddie mentioned07:00
calci didn't like how aptitude works for sorting so just use dselect instead07:01
wm_eddieSe7h: or cd dir/ && rm -f * && cd .. && rmdir dir/ :p07:01
natewhat tool does one usually use to a) see if a package is installed and b) what files it provides?07:01
calcer dpkg07:01
nateI found 'dpkg-query', is that the best one to use?07:01
calcdpkg -L foo and dpkg -l07:02
wm_eddiedoesn't synaptic show you that info too?07:02
calcor apt-file for things not already installed07:02
natemaybe but Synaptic hurts my brane to try to understand07:02
calcwm_eddie: no idea never used synaptic07:02
nateits interface is pretty but very very busy07:02
jayeola_afknight/moring chaps07:03
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natehmm, next question07:03
wm_eddieDamn, It's already one.07:03
nateI notice Postfix is installed, but I've never used a mail server so far07:03
wm_eddieI told myself I'd make a couple of random GTK# apps today.07:04
nateWhen I configure Evolution, is the recommended way to point it at the local Postfix or just let it fetch mail itself?07:04
q2Whats a good system monitor?? one that can be transparent?????07:04
Se7hjust to confirm07:04
Se7hunpack java bin07:04
wm_eddieq2: top in a gnome-terminal :p07:04
Se7hcopy it to usr/local/lib07:05
Se7hand export path07:05
wm_eddieSe7h: Symlinking is better I think07:05
Se7hls -s ?07:05
crimsunln -s07:05
wm_eddieln -s /path/to/original /path/to/symlink07:06
wm_eddieor I just cd into where I want it and do ln -s /path/to/original .07:06
wm_eddieq2: top in a gnome-terminal!!!!07:06
natetransparent, huh?07:06
wm_eddieoh docked...07:06
nateI like ones that plug into the gnome-panel myself07:07
q2like on the side of the screen07:07
q2or translucent, whichever is seethrough07:07
wm_eddieq2: GKrellm2 is a good app for that stuff07:07
wm_eddienot really a dock, but check it out. You'll like it.07:07
natedon't much care for transparent widgets myself, they distract me from seeing either what's underneath or what's on top. But that's me, I'm old-fashioned07:07
wm_eddieThere's about a million and a half skins for it.07:07
q2I heard good things about GKrellm07:08
wm_eddieq2: I love it. It's like a dashboard for my computer.07:08
wm_eddienot to be confused with "Dashboard" which is another set of awesomeness altogether.07:09
crimsuni just use top.07:09
wm_eddietop sometimes makes 3d things strange07:10
Se7hdam errors...07:10
Se7hStack Trace:07:10
Se7hjava.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: javax/swing/JWindow07:10
Se7h   at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke0 (Method.java)07:10
Se7hfor ie07:10
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_kimhere goes 07:15
_kimgoing to install mythtv on ubuntu :)07:15
wm_eddiegood luck with that07:16
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Hrdwr_BoBmainly because I already have it installed and why change what works already07:16
Se7hcan anyone give a hand here with java?07:17
Hrdwr_BoBit's in the FAQ07:17
crimsunwhat's up?07:17
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wm_eddieI was looking in the FAQ for Java, I couldn't find anything but I swear that I saw something before...07:18
crimsuni'm using Tiger.07:19
q2whats with Gkrellm being in the taskbar07:19
q2i dont like that07:19
wm_eddieq2: you can change that07:19
crimsunfiddle w/ the Preferences.07:19
wm_eddieright click on it.07:19
wm_eddieit can do alot07:19
q2i see07:19
q2where do i set it too not be on the taskbar07:20
wm_eddieI wish there was a "Current GTK theme" theme for GTKrellM07:20
q2i found it07:20
Se7him reading some foruns...none helping till now..07:22
crimsunSe7h: what are your objectives regarding Java?07:23
crimsunSe7h: what have you done thus far?07:24
Se7hrunning java apps07:24
crimsundo you plan to develop any Java code yourself?07:24
Se7hive installed this before with no problem07:24
Se7hi dont get why this now07:24
Se7hcrimsun no07:24
Se7hat least for now07:24
crimsunSe7h: ok. what have you done thus far?07:25
q2anyone know of a transparent gkrellm theme???07:26
crimsunq2: there are quite a few07:27
q2where can i ubtain these?07:27
crimsun(of course meaning pseudo-transparent)07:27
wm_eddieq2: Glass Glass-2 Glass-307:27
crimsunin the gkrellm skins tarball linked on muhri.net07:27
q2i would like them07:27
Se7hcrimsun unpacked the bin file07:27
Se7ha created a ln07:27
crimsunSe7h: which bin file?07:27
crimsunsun's? version 1.5.0?07:28
crimsunwhat symlink did you create?07:28
Se7hw8 just a sec07:29
Se7hlet me just check one thing07:29
crimsunpersonally, across both my debian sid machine and my ubuntu machine, i use this:07:29
crimsunin /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/, i have a symlink from /usr/local/jdk1.5.0/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so07:30
q2how do i install these themes07:30
crimsunthe same symlink exists in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/07:30
crimsunq2: untar them in ~/.gkrellm2/themes07:30
crimsunin ~/.gkrellm2/themes/07:30
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Se7hoh ok07:34
Se7hnow i have another kind of prob07:34
Se7hOOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE [java = SableVM] 07:35
Se7hYou need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://java.sun.com07:35
crimsunjava -version07:35
crimsuni'm using sun's jdk 1.5.007:35
Se7hSableVM version 1.1.507:36
wm_eddieThat's a open-source VM07:36
wm_eddieyou'll need GNU Classpath if you want to run java applications.07:36
Se7hhow can i tell ubuntu about the newer version on the sys ?07:36
wm_eddieuninstall the previous one?07:36
crimsunSe7h: the newer version of what?07:37
Se7hthe one thing confusing me07:37
Se7his just07:37
crimsunSe7h: what else did you install?07:37
Se7hlast time07:37
Se7hi just unpacked the bin07:37
Se7hcreated the ln07:37
Se7hexportd path07:37
Se7hand i think that was it07:37
crimsundid you grab the bin from Sun?07:37
Se7hcrimsun of java i guess07:38
wm_eddieSe7h: I think you installed SableVM from before.07:38
wm_eddieusing apt maybe07:38
crimsunSe7h: where did you unpack it, /usr/local/ ?07:38
Se7hwell now its at /home07:38
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crimsunwell, if you do that, only your $USER will have access to it07:39
crimsun(if you wish to do it sanely, that is)07:39
Se7hbut wont ln do the job?07:40
crimsunwhat did you ln?07:40
Se7hfrom home to usr local07:40
crimsunbad idea07:40
wm_eddieSe7h: next time run installers as root07:41
wm_eddieproprietary software is such a pain to install seriously...07:41
crimsunit's actually not07:41
crimsuntakes about one minute.07:41
wm_eddieapt-get install java would take less07:41
Se7hwhat do i do now?07:41
wm_eddieI think07:41
wm_eddieI don't know, apt spoiled me.07:41
crimsunSe7h: delete the symlink in /usr/local/ that you created07:41
crimsunSe7h: cd /usr/local07:42
crimsunSe7h: sudo /path/to/sun's_jre07:42
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crimsuni hope it can decipher, too, wm_eddie ;)07:43
Se7hhow do i delte it?07:43
Se7hrm ?07:43
Se7hman i feel dumb07:43
crimsunSe7h: yes.07:43
wm_eddiecrimsun: yeah, it's a simple addition encryption program07:44
wm_eddieso the key would be the negative number of the key.07:44
wm_eddieman, I've been able to break monodevelop twice now.07:44
wm_eddieI"m on a roll!07:44
Se7him on usrlocal07:45
Se7hwhat now??07:45
crimsun01:42 < crimsun> Se7h: sudo /path/to/sun's_jre07:45
Se7hsudo ?07:45
Se7hi mean...07:45
Se7hsudo /home?07:45
crimsunmake sure the bin is marked executable07:45
Se7hyes it is07:45
crimsunsudo ~/jre...bin07:45
crimsunsubstitute the actual filename07:45
Se7hwha ?07:46
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Se7hrunning bin...07:46
crimsun'lo Atticus 07:46
Atticushi crimsun07:47
crimsunSe7h: ok, now you need to create the symlinks, and then you need to correct the $PATH07:48
crimsunSe7h: the first thing you need to do is to find the path of the java plugin07:48
Se7handa...where is it ?07:49
crimsunit resides under the jre directory07:49
crimsunyou need to look for it07:49
crimsunfor my installation, it's /usr/local/jdk1.5.0/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so07:49
crimsunfor yours, i'm guessing it's going to be similar07:49
Se7hseth@devil /usr/local $ ls j2re1.4.2_05/plugin/07:49
Se7hdesktop  i38607:49
Se7his that it ?07:49
Se7hit is07:50
crimsunno, it will be /usr/local/j2re1.4.2_05/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so07:50
crimsunfind it?07:50
Se7h j2re1.4.2_05/plugin/i386/ns610/libjavaplugin_oji.so07:50
Se7hgot it07:50
crimsunwith which browsers do you plan to use the java plugin?07:51
crimsunthen you need to create the appropriate symlink for mozilla-firefox/plugins07:52
crimsuncd /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins07:52
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crimsunsudo ln -s ../../../local/j2re1.4.2_05/plugin/i386/ns610/libjavaplugin_oji.so .07:53
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cefcrimsun: sheesh! we've gotta automate that somehow..07:53
crimsuncef: agreed, it would be easier.07:54
Se7hln: `./libjavaplugin_oji.so': File exists07:54
crimsungranted, i've done this for as long as sun has made a plugin available.07:54
crimsunSe7h: ln -sf   then07:54
crimsunok, and now where did you set the $PATH ?07:55
Se7hthink is set to /usr/local/bin/....07:55
cefcrimsun: yeah.. actually need a little gui program to maintain it all, so you can switch between different JRE's and set up different browsers07:55
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crimsunSe7h: set it in /etc/bash.bashrc07:56
crimsunsudo vi /etc/bash.bashrc07:56
crimsunor another $EDITOR07:56
crimsundoesn't really matter07:56
crimsunyou simply need to edit it.07:57
Se7him there07:57
Se7hnow need to add a line righjt?07:57
crimsunSe7h: yep07:58
subterrifici hate to break it to you now, but there is a FAQ on this07:59
subterrificand it is much easier than what you're doing07:59
crimsunindeed there is.07:59
subterrificthere is even an apt source that will let you install java with a single command08:00
Se7hsubterrific i did that tut08:01
Se7hgot all screwd up as u can see08:01
subterrificwhy didn't you use the apt repos?08:01
Se7hi did08:02
Se7hbut no vm was there08:02
Se7hi think08:02
crimsunSe7h: i'm apologize, the file to edit is /etc/profile, not /etc/bash.bashrc08:02
Se7hcrimsun keep going08:02
Se7hcrimsun im there08:03
subterrificSe7h: then you didn't follow the instructions correctly because i did it on 3 machines :\08:03
cefsubterrific: how long ago?08:03
crimsunSe7h: insert the jre path so it reads thusly:08:03
subterrificlast week08:03
subterrifici used the latest jre 1.5 rc from sun08:04
cefhrm, shouldn't be any problems unless there is an issue with the repository08:04
cefsubterrific: how'd you find the latest jre?08:04
cefsubterrific: no I meant how'd you find it operational wise?08:05
cefas in, how well does it work for you?08:05
Se7hcrimsun done08:05
crimsun(technically you should set JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/j2re1.4.2_05 and also export that, and set your PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:$JAVA_HOME/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games"08:05
subterrificit runs azureus, thats the only java app i use08:05
cefsubterrific: cool.. I should try it with a few things I need to use.. might work a bit better than 1.4, which has issues08:06
subterrificoh, and ourTunes. i ran that at work08:06
crimsun1.5.0 final ("Tiger") is vastly improved over 1.4.x08:06
cefthen again, that's cos the app is only certified for 1.3 and painful under 1.408:06
Se7hcrimsun done?08:07
crimsunnow login shells will set $PATH correctly.08:07
crimsunmake sure you remove your previous $PATH edit08:07
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cefof course, now he needs to log out, and then log in again08:07
Se7hi just did the "export" thing08:07
Se7hwell...brb then08:08
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cefI should install ubuntu on my spare laptop drive.. rather than just the desktop08:08
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Se7hOOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE [java = SableVM] 08:13
Se7hYou need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://java.sun.com08:13
crimsunis your shell a login shell?08:13
Se7hhow so ?08:13
crimsunwhat terminal emulator are you using, gnome-terminal?08:13
crimsunEdit->Current Profile...->Title and Command-> click "Run command as a login shell"08:14
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Se7hin the rterminal ?08:18
crimsunin gnome-terminal, yes08:19
cefok, bbk, time to get serious with my desk...re-arrangement time. ran out of power points.. *8-(08:19
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crimsuni should play more gnome mines.08:20
Se7hdone crimsun08:20
crimsunSe7h: ok, start a new gnome-terminal08:20
crimsunSe7h: then echo $PATH and make sure it's there08:21
crimsunwhy did you put it at the end?08:21
crimsuni was very specific about the order when i told you (twice)08:22
Se7hdidn't think about that08:22
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Se7hwhere should i place it ?08:23
crimsun02:05 < crimsun> (technically you should set JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/j2re1.4.2_05 and also export that, and set your PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:$JAVA_HOME/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games"08:23
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crimsunok, log out and back in08:25
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Se7hlets see..08:27
Se7hno luck08:27
crimsunecho $PATH08:27
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Se7hsorry bout that08:28
Se7hls: /usr/local/lib/j2re1.4.2_05/: No such file or directory08:29
Se7hwhy the hell is he looking there08:29
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crimsunyou have to be precise when setting your $PATH08:30
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Se7hi dont get it08:31
Se7hseth@devil ~ $ echo $PATH08:32
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crimsunyou left out the "/bin"08:33
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crimsunit's /usr/local/j2re1.4.2_05/bin08:33
crimsunnot /usr/local/j2re1.4.2_0508:33
Se7hok but..08:33
Se7hls: /usr/local/lib/j2re1.4.2_05/: No such file or directory08:34
Se7hOOPS, unable to locate java exec in  /usr/local/lib/j2re1.4.2_05//  hierarchy08:34
crimsunwhy is it searching /usr/local/lib/j2re1.4.2_05/ ?08:34
Se7hthats what im talking about08:34
crimsunwhat files did you edit $PATH in?08:34
crimsuni know of no 'profiles'08:35
crimsundo you mean /etc/profile ?08:35
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crimsunpaste me the PATH=  line from that file08:35
Se7hJAVA_HOME=/usr/local/j2re1.4.2_05 08:36
crimsunyou left out "/bin" after "$JAVA_HOME"08:37
crimsunit's "$JAVA_HOME/bin" not "$JAVA_HOME"08:37
Se7hbut even though08:38
Se7hdam xchat08:38
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Se7hthanks alot crimsun for the time spent08:43
crimsunnp at all.08:43
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Se7hnoe its firefox that wont run08:53
TreenaksSe7h: does it tell you why if you try to run it from the command line?08:53
Se7hINTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: No manager for initializing factory?08:55
Se7hSystem error?:: Success08:55
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TreenaksSe7h: what did you do before it broke?09:00
TreenaksSe7h: did you break of an upgrade that was halfway through?09:00
q2goodnight all09:00
rexiboywell... I got 3 ubuntu costers! tried to install 3 times and ubuntu could not deal with my 6800 card, waht a shame I really wanted a 64bit with gnome...09:01
smeggyTry the nvidia drivers instead of the nv ones.09:02
baietas_hey anyone messed around with pwcX? the Philips Webcam Driver?09:02
rexiboyfeels like this preview shouldn't have been released09:02
Treenakssmeggy: that doesn't work on amd6409:02
smeggyAhh right.09:02
Treenaksbaietas_: people have been busy wrting an alternative for pwcx09:02
smeggyWell, that's hardly Ubuntus fault then is it.09:02
Hrdwr_BoBout of curiosity09:03
Se7hTreenaks just installed java09:03
baietas_treenaks: oh sweer... 09:03
Se7hnothing else09:03
Hrdwr_BoBhmm n/m09:03
rexiboylooks like the ubuntu team just rushing to get something out without proper testing or documantation09:03
baietas_Treenaks, know more info about it? website etc?09:03
smeggyIt's working great for a large amount of people rexiboy.09:03
TreenaksSe7h: then that's the problem..09:03
Treenaksrexiboy: without proper testing? they make preview releases available, adn this is their first release09:04
rexiboysmeggy, I'm not new to linux, there are some serius problems with the ubuntu64!09:04
Treenaksrexiboy: they;ve been updating the preview release daily09:04
subterrificrexiboy: have you reported a bug?09:04
subterrificand have you tried one of the daily isos?09:04
rexiboyTreenaks, i downloaded 3 different daily's09:05
smeggyThe snapshot from a day or so ago works great on my amd64 box :)09:05
rexiboysmeggy, what card do you have?09:05
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smeggyJust and old nvidia gf4mx09:05
subterrificrexiboy: so open a bug, and help them get it fixed. that is the point of a preview release, to help them work out bugs. complaining and saying they shouldn't have released anything is worthless09:05
rexiboyi think the 6800 is not supported yet, which id weird09:06
subterrificit's a community effort09:06
rexiboysubterrific, i guess i'm a bit frustrated :) i will report a bug though09:06
smeggyReport a bug and then remember to stay around to help :P09:06
Se7hcrimsun u there?09:07
rexiboy:) really wanted gnome 2.8! how is it?09:07
crimsunSe7h: yes.09:07
Se7hcrimsun firefox got screwd up09:07
Hrdwr_BoBreformed: shiny09:08
Hrdwr_BoBgnome 2.8 is all about smooth shininess09:08
crimsunSe7h: how so?09:08
smeggyAnd happy fuzziness ;)09:08
Se7hINTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: No manager for initializing factory?09:08
Se7hSystem error?:: Success09:08
Se7hlike that09:08
rexiboy:) o.k no more salt on my wound09:08
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crimsunSe7h: sudo /usr/sbin/update-mozilla-firefox-chrome09:09
kuroishianyone know of any unofficial sources for ubuntu binaries? I need mplayer and i can't seem to get it to build properly.09:09
Se7hcontinues with it09:09
crimsunkuroishi: use christian marillat's repository, just as one would with woody/sarge/sid09:10
Se7hor do i need a ogout?09:10
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crimsunSe7h: what happens if you remove the java plugin symlink?09:10
Se7hon the profiles?09:11
kuroishicrimsun, what would the line in sources.list look like? (i'm new at this and a few random guesses yeilded nothing.)09:11
smeggyJust use Synaptic to add it :P09:11
crimsunSe7h: no, from /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/09:11
kuroishiah, yes, i'm new to this GUI stuff, haha09:11
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Se7hshould i try ?09:12
crimsunSe7h: yes.09:12
Se7hworked now09:13
crimsunSe7h: are you sure you're using the version of the java plugin compiled with gcc32?09:13
Se7hguess so...09:14
crimsundon't "guess" -- make certain.09:14
Se7hdownloaded from sun09:14
Hrdwr_BoBtime to break shit.09:14
crimsunin i386/, there should be multiple directories09:14
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Hrdwr_BoBI am installing things from debian unstable09:14
crimsununder each of those directories, there are possibly multiple versions of the java plugin09:14
subterrifickuroishi: http://www.arslinux.com/~jorge/sources.list09:14
Se7hseth@devil ~ $ ls /usr/local/j2re1.4.2_05/plugin/i386/ ns4  ns610  ns610-gcc3209:15
crimsunthat's why.09:15
Se7how i getted what u told09:15
kuroishisubterrific, thanks a TON!09:17
subterrifickuroishi: np, us reformed gentoo users have to help each other out ;)09:18
Se7hcrimsun i was using one from /61009:18
crimsunSe7h: i know.09:18
kuroishieverything i love about gentoo, and everything i love from debian, without all the stuff i hate from both =D gotta love ubuntu.09:19
kuroishidamn i've been up for 36 hours straight and i'm not even tired.09:19
cefkuroishi: heh.. tell me what you're on so I can get myself some! *grin*09:25
subterrifickuroishi: i was in the same position about 6 hours ago, but then i crashed09:25
subterrificnow i'm wide awake and it is midnight...09:26
kuroishicef, i don't know... i didn't have much caffiene, not about my normal consumption09:26
kuroishii've just been natually wired09:26
kuroishistarting to crash *whines about his mental uptime*09:26
Se7hgotta get some sleep09:27
Se7hc ya later09:27
cefI'm thinking I should live in another timezone.. that way I'll be awake during normal times for this timezone09:28
Se7him from PT09:29
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Treenakshey, I've found a bug :)09:49
Treenaksthe xterms started from the session manager when you login do not use all of your locale...09:49
crimsungreat :)  did you file a bug with a workaround and/or resolution?09:49
Treenakscrimsun: not yet :)09:49
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Treenakscrimsun: I must have some kind of bug record already :P09:49
TreenaksI mean.. the xterm menu show's UTF8, "locale charmap" shows UTF8, but still UTF-8 is displayed as if it is latin109:50
maycoi have a question, i want to remove the top bar, but by doing so, i lose the "computer" menu, and then i can't enter the "desktop preferences" and "system configuration", is there a way to add it to the normal gnome startmenu?09:52
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mkyc-ubuntuwhat do i need to play DVD's on ubuntu ?09:54
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kuroishimayco, i think you can from within nautilus09:55
kuroishiit's like preferances:// or something09:56
kuroishiadd a launcher for that =D09:56
mayconice, preferences works09:56
maycoand what about that other menu?09:56
kuroishione sec i'll look09:57
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kuroishiMayco, hmm =/09:59
kuroishidon't see it09:59
maycoi've found it, preferences:///System09:59
maycothat's the same menu09:59
kuroishicool =)09:59
maycoone more thing, is it possible to add the menufolders into the root of the gnomestartmenu instead of into some "Applications" submenu?10:00
kuroishino idea.10:01
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maycohmm, ok, i will look abit further then, thanks anyway10:01
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mkyc-ubuntuany suggestions as to why totem wont play WMV's ?10:03
mkyc-ubuntuand why mpeg movie files are blank?10:04
kuroishibecause totem is utter crap, imo.10:04
subterrificmkyc-ubuntu: install totem-xine instead of totem-gstreamer10:05
subterrifictotem is fine, it is gstreamer that needs work10:05
mkyc-ubuntudo i need to remove totem-gstreamer first?10:05
mkyc-ubuntuok.. how do i do that, i havent uninstalled anything in ubuntu yet?10:05
subterrificmkyc-ubuntu: Computer > System Config > Package Manager10:06
subterrificsearch for totem10:06
subterrificshould be easy from there10:06
mkyc-ubuntumuch appreciated10:06
kuroishihow do you change default applications in Gnome 2.8?10:06
kuroishifor instance, i want to play videos in mplayer rather than totem10:07
subterrifickuroishi: right click on the file in nautilus > properties > open with10:07
kuroishisubterrific, that doesn't give me the option to set it so all of those files use that10:08
subterrificit does10:08
kuroishihm, mine doesn't seem to be o.010:08
subterrificread what it says at the top of the Open With tab10:09
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subterrific"and others of type "...""10:09
kuroishiyeah, that adds the option to open with mplayer.10:10
subterrificthen you select mplayer as the default10:11
subterrificusing the little radio button to the left of the name10:11
kuroishiah hah, in properties10:11
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tuo2some might call that a net split10:22
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MyKq3itz all from the same network .... may b it went down10:22
subterrificmdz: re: that hal bug i just opened. would rebuilding my custom kernel with the source fix the problem you think?10:22
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mdzsubterrific: I doubt it, but I'd be very interested to know if it happens with the stock kernel10:23
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subterrificmdz: ok, i guess i can try both. i'd much rather use the stock kernel, but until ALSA 1.0.6 is stock, i'm forced to patch10:25
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nanotechwhaddup joe10:28
joebeastienot much10:28
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joemhow do I increase a variable that is an integer in bash?10:28
joebeastievariable++ ?10:29
joemby a set number10:29
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joebeastievariable + number ?10:29
joemI tried VAR=$VAR+510:29
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joembut that just sets the value to say "0+5"10:29
joeminstead of 510:29
cefahh try 'set VAR=$VAR+5'10:30
joebeastiei havent done it in bash but in awk i have...10:30
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subterrificspeaking of bash: http://unixnaut.com/skills/Languages/python/pysh.html10:30
subterrificif you like python, that should make you drool10:30
joebeastiespeaking of bash: bash.org10:30
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cleeheh. bash.org rules.10:31
joebeastieclee: sure does. good time killer at work10:31
cefjoem: try 'VAR=$(($VAR+5))'10:32
cef$(( )) is the arithmetic operator (ie: treat everything inside this as arithmetic)10:32
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cefotherwise you can use 'let VAR=$VAR+5' (same sort of thing)10:34
joemclee,  cef, thank you10:34
cef(not set.. knew it ended in 'et' though!)10:34
cefjoem: no probs10:34
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djuusshelp! after i installed nvidia drivers gdm tries to start but it can't (quits after 3 retries)11:16
djuusshave to modprobe nvidia before i start gdm11:16
djuussand that works like a charm11:16
ntunqndepmod -ae11:16
joemdjuuss, sudo echo nvidia >> /etc/modules11:16
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togshas anybody had any luck with USB headsets?11:24
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deFryskdjuuss, put nvidia in /etc/modules11:35
deFryskhmm too late :s11:35
djuusswhoops ran out for a bit11:38
djuusswhereis nvidia --> /usr/lib/nvidia11:39
djuussjoem: and 11:40
djuussdeFrysk: i did that11:40
djuusstime for the test11:40
joemdjuuss, then it will be loaded on boot11:43
deFryskhmm , he seems to reboot his box11:44
nateI am still having weird extreme-slowness problems11:47
nateGenerally, each time I launch an application, or sometimes even when I click on a GTK widget11:48
nateI get delays on the order of a minute before that app repaints11:48
natehowever, I can usually still interact with any other GUI components, such as panel applets, and context menus11:48
joemnate, see anything in .xsession-errors?11:49
nateyep, lots11:51
natea few assertions failed11:51
nate'Window manager working around an application which used XSetInputFocus'11:51
nateI have no idea how severe any of these are11:52
nateit boggles me that there still are GTK+ assertion failures in shipping GNOME apps, but that's always seemed to be the case11:52
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nateeven starting Gnome Terminal takes about 20 seconds to fully paint itself11:56
nateand doing so produces no new .xsession-errors11:56
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subterrificnate: do you have any "feeling" on what is causing it? for example, does it feel like a kernel issue or xfree or what?11:59
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micXhey, it works :)12:02
nateIt feels like an application level thing to me12:04
natemaybe at the GTK level, dunno12:04
nateit doesn't feel systemwide12:04
nateit could be at the Bonobo level, but I think maybe below that12:04
subterrificahh, so like xpdf launches fine?12:04
natehmm, haven't tried that12:04
natenope, takes 18 seconds even for xpdf to launch12:05
subterrificwhat about a command line only app like python or top?12:06
natemeanwhile the panel system monitor shows neither CPU nor memory problems12:06
natetop seems to start with no problems12:06
nateit only seems to be X apps12:06
nateand not just apps, but perhaps windows12:06
nateso, at the XFree level I guess12:06
subterrifichave you tweaked you XF86Config at all?12:07
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natenow, I don't have a 3D card in this machine. Is it possible it's trying to run mesa somewhere in the background?12:07
monkeyc-unbwhat is needed to get DVD's playing on ubuntu?12:07
nateI've been burned with that before on, eg, Fedora 2 where OpenGL screensavers will bring my machine to a crawl12:07
natebut that would normally show as CPU maxed out, and that's not it here12:07
subterrificmonkeyc-unb: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387/view?searchterm=DVD12:08
nateand no, I have a purely vanilla Ubuntu install, no XF86Config hacking12:08
monkeyc-unbthanks subterrific12:08
subterrificmonkeyc-unb: http://www.arslinux.com/~jorge/sources.list12:10
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monkeyc-unbsubterrific, you are a champion12:12
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micXnate, how much memory have u got? I'm on a celeron1200/256Mb and things a a little slow to launch, but fine when running.12:18
natemicX: 384 MB12:18
nateit's not using any swap12:18
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deepnarcOK... just downloaded and installed Ubuntu (very nice!!), but cannot for the life of me work out how to get a remote X display connection over ssh (ssh-server installed via synaptic)-- any ideas?12:21
natehmm, that's interesting. My swap partition, hda5, appears to be zero size12:21
deepnarcPS was working between my Fedora Core 2 machines12:21
natewonder if that's a problem12:22
nateso much for auto-partitioning12:22
micXnate, heh, no wonder it isnt being used :)12:22
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nateoh wait. cfdisk reports 512 MB12:22
natebut fdisk appears to be reporting that its start and end sectors are the same12:23
natemaybe fdisk is just wacky12:23
nateso, 512 MB would be correct for me12:23
micX512 here too.12:24
natesensible default12:24
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micXOo is pretty slow here, machine lags a bit, I might have to find another 256Mb memory stick for it.12:26
micXIt is a tosser anyhow, won't even run windows...12:27
natewhen I start, say, gnome-terminal or system montor, I will often get a window with window decorations up in say two seconds, with a few grey rectangles on it12:31
natebut the widgets aren't painted and responsive until about 20 seconds later12:31
micXhmm. have you got a dead.letter in / ? from debconf about udev?12:32
nateyes, I do12:34
natehmm, another data point12:34
natestarting, say, gnome-terminal from a terminal is quick12:34
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nateas opposed to starting it from the Applications menu, when it takes anywhere between 5-20 seconds12:34
micXok, I'll do the same. what cpu have u got?12:35
natestarting xpdf from the terminal is fast12:35
natemicX: me? Celeron 1Ghz12:35
micXterminal from menu, about 5 seconds12:35
monkeyc-unbsubterrific, mplayer works like a charm, cheers for the help :)12:35
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micXterminal from terminal, less than a sec.12:36
monkeyc-unbim running ubuntu on a P2 400 notebook with 256mb ram and i have no speed issues.12:36
micXnate, yes, sorry. Looks like we have similar systems. you have more memory, I have a bit more cpu.12:37
micXmonkeyc-unb, is that because you have no speed?12:37
mdzdeepnarc: just run ssh -X <server>12:37
monkeyc-unbmaybe :)12:38
psimy settings in .Xdefaults never take effect unless I explicitly use xrdb. is this a bug?12:38
mdznate: have you tried turning off sound events?12:38
nategood point12:39
mdzpsi: you want ~/.Xresources rather than ~/.Xdefaults12:40
micXmdz, where do you do that?12:40
mdzcomputer->desktop preferences->sound12:40
psimdz: oh! thanks12:40
deepnarcmdz, thanks that was it exactly [Doh! Now I feel stupid!] 12:40
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micXdoesn't look like sound events, hasn't changed terminal startup time from menu.12:41
nateI think that may have been it12:42
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mdznate: bug #194312:42
nateyeah, someone mentioned that a few hours ago, and I didn't think it applied to me12:42
mdzor something similar12:42
natebut it looks like it might be12:42
mdzfrom what I have seen in investigating #1943, it seems like it would stall forever, rather than just making the system slow, but I'm not sure yet12:43
deFryskwriting isos with nautilus works like a charm here :)12:43
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nateit seems to stall for about 30 seconds on each sound event12:44
micXnate, you mentioned xpdf. I can't find it in any menu?12:45
mdzmicX: it isn't in the menu12:45
nateyeah, I was running it from 'Run Application'12:45
micXmdz, ok, that explains why I can't find it :)12:46
natesee, I have an onboard sound card in this box but no speakers12:46
nateso of course I didn't notice that I wasn't getting sound12:46
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monkeyc-unbwhats the difference between gpdf and xpdf ?12:47
bitserfgpdf has a nicer UI12:47
nateon viewing #1943, I'm not at all sure that's my problem12:47
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mdzmonkeyc-unb: gpdf integrates more nicely with the desktop, but isn't quite as capable yet12:47
natebut similar12:47
mdznate: it sounds like you just have a sound problem12:47
monkeyc-unbhmm i see12:47
nateI have some kind of sound problem, yes12:48
natedidn't have any problem under Fedora Core 212:48
mdznate: perhaps an IRQ conflict (laptop?)12:48
nateno, desktop12:48
mdzyou might try booting with pci=noacpi, and if that doesn't work, noapic12:48
natemdz: acpi messes with sound?12:48
mdznate: acpi affects how IRQs are assigned12:49
natewouldn't that be kernel level though?12:49
mdzalso make sure you are running the most recent kernel12:49
nateoh, hmm. I've never run 2.6 on this box12:49
nateor ALSA12:49
nateso maybe that's part of the issue12:49
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richnrockvillemdI have a toshiba laptop running windows xp with MS Virtual PC and have installed Ubuntu. The graphics was not working properly and after much knashing. some nice user on the lists said to try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and it worked. What a pleasure to use this in a vpc window.  I also installed it on a p4 2.8 and it really is the first iteration of linux that actually worked out of the .iso.  Thanks to these 12:51
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fridgerichnrockvillemd, interesting anecdote12:51
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richnrockvillemdFridge, I am amazed at how intuitive the graphic interface is. piece of cake for old diehard windows people..12:52
richnrockvillemdMy sound still is not working but that is a small problem..12:52
nateI use GNOME 2.4 on my current home box (Fedora Core 1)12:53
nateit has rough edges which I am annoyed at how slowly they are being fixed, but 2.8 configured the way Ubuntu does is getting nicer12:53
natea few little things still irk me12:53
natesuch as why I can't drag or copy/paste a launcher icon from a menu or panel to the desktop12:53
fridgeI just did that12:54
micXevery iteration of gnome rocks.12:54
nateyou can? Hmm.12:54
fridgein ubuntu I can12:54
natelet me try12:54
fridgedragged the blender icon to the desktop12:54
natehey neat12:55
natemaybe my sound problem was stuffing that up12:55
nateokay, that's another niggle gone12:55
richnrockvillemdYesterday someone pointed me to a web site where it said that Ubuntu would not work with microsoft's virtual PC. Evidently the web site needs updating..:)12:55
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nateah, I see12:56
nateone has to Unlock the icon first12:56
natebut that makes sense12:56
natestill, getting better12:56
fridgeone does?12:56
natefor me I do, yes12:57
nateif I try to drag a Locked panel icon nothing happens12:57
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fridgeoh, I hadn't changed panels from the default12:58
monkeyc-unbanyone seen this error before when playing movies with Mplayer : alas control: mixer attach /dev/mixer no such file or directoy12:59
monkeyc-unbworks fine when i run the movie with run as but gives that error when i open from mplayer01:00
monkeyc-unbi know its not supported but thought maybe someone may have seen it before01:00
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Hmmmmm_anyone know if the latest gnoppix can be installed on the hard disk?01:01
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deepnarcRight... I'm off... going to see if I can get ndiswrapper working with Ubuntu. Hopefully see you all later ;-)01:02
natethere's a few issues with Nautilus still\01:02
nateI wish Spatial and Browse mode windows were more interchangeable01:02
natein Windows, I live by turning on the toolbar on windows and clicking 'up'01:03
nateI like my switchable navigation panes and widgets, I don't like the way Nautilus currently forces a window to be either one folder only or a full browse window01:03
Hmmmmm_anyone know if the latest gnoppix can be installed on the hard disk?01:03
Hmmmmm_ya the latest one is based on ubuntu linux01:04
natereally? Cool01:04
Hmmmmm_checkout linuxbeta for screenshots01:04
nateokay, here's another Nautilus question01:05
natehow can I create a symlink?01:05
nateie, I want to create a symlink to my home directory and put it on my desktop01:05
nateit would appear that I can't do anything so obvious as right-click my home folder in Nautilus and go 'create symlink' or 'create shortcut'01:06
micXnate, middle click and drag01:06
nateassume I don't have a middle mouse button01:06
tsenguse both buttons at once01:06
micXhere's 5 bucks. get one :)01:06
Hmmmmm_micX, thats a cool feature, thats for letting me know abt it01:06
sanxiyn(I like ROX way of drag-and-drop, that is, it asks copy/move/link on drop.)01:06
natesorry, I just really really hate UIs that try to force me to use middle-click01:07
Hmmmmm_sanxiyn, even konqueror does that01:07
sanxiynNo stupid "press control key' bullshit.01:07
Hmmmmm_it is a nice feature01:07
tsengbutton 1+ button2 at once = button 301:07
natethere's gotta be a keyboard equivalent01:07
micXnate, most scrolwheels are actually buttons, have you got one of those?01:07
nateyes, but I don't use it to click with01:07
natebecause otherwise I accidentally generate scroll events01:07
natethere's got to be a keyboard shortcut, surely? GNOME being Accessible and all?01:08
tsengnate: last time01:08
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tsengnate: use button 1 + 2 together01:08
micXyup. there will be.01:08
nateand again I say NO01:08
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natethat is playing Twister with my fingers01:08
nateI will not do that01:08
nateany GUI which attempts to make me do that will lose my patronage01:08
coravelhi 01:09
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sanxiynnate: Who cares. :-)01:09
micXtry it nate, you will get better at it :)01:09
natethe answer is 'Ctrl+Shift'01:10
natesee, I knew there was a keyboard way01:10
sanxiynIMO, drop target should ask about copy/move/link, and it is not to be done from keyboard or from drag source...01:11
coravelhi, i've never tried debian or debian based distros, i'm a long time slackware user, i wonder if ubuntu is for me as it is said to have releases every six months with new GNOME versions?01:11
coravelany ideas?01:11
joemuh, yes..I can tell it is for you01:11
sanxiynThat makes "drag and drop01:11
sanxiyn" uniform.01:11
micXcoravel, you won't know unless you try...01:12
nateyeah, what I was really looking for was 'Paste as Shortcut' from the right-click desktop context menu01:12
micXcoravel, no-one here will know.01:12
coravelit's the package system i hesitate :)01:12
natesince wherever possible I prefer to use copy/paste rather than drag/drop to move files. Far too easy to accidentally do horrid things to files when dragging and dropping01:13
micXcoravel, the package system rocks!01:13
sanxiynnate: Really?01:13
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nateIf I could I would avoid using the mouse for many things01:13
coraveli heard good things too about it01:13
nateit cause far too much OOS01:13
sanxiynOh, I prefer drag-and-drop is much much better than copy-and-paste.01:13
coravelit's just the habits you know01:13
coravelwhat the hell, i'm downloading :)01:13
natethe more keyboard shortcuts, the better really01:13
nateand GNOME is getting better in that regard, I think01:14
natecoravel: despite my griping here I am for the most part liking Ubuntu01:15
nateheck, I'm using Fedora 1 at the moment, which has to be worse01:15
subterrificnate: i'll second that01:15
coravelwell, to be honest, i really liked it when i saw it's only 1 CD, that's the way it should be, only the necessary ones, not a bloat01:16
coraveland i really hate KDE, so it's good it's out of it :)01:16
natealso the desktop design is nice and clean01:16
subterrificfedora core 1 made my P4 2.6ghz w/ HT feel like a P201:16
nateI'm not sure how much of that is GNOME 2.8 and how much is Ubuntu, but I love having a 'show desktop' icon and the trash on the panel01:17
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subterrificit was very stable though, had over 100 days of uptime01:17
coraveli learned long ago that i should stay away from mandrake, redhat, fedora whatever, they are all bloated 01:17
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nateanother way to create a symlink is to move, then alt-release an icon01:19
coravelis there a complete package list somewhere on the web?01:19
monkeyc-unbmandrake is beyond bloated.. its in a new realm of bloat01:19
natethen one could copy/paste the new symlink. That's almost as good, I think, as what I can do in Windows Explorer.01:19
sanxiynnate: I think GNOME copied Windows, and I think it's bad.01:20
micXnate, show desktop was there in previous gnomes, I think?01:20
nateor even simpler, move/alt-release01:20
coravelmandrake was very nice when it was version 6.1, long time ago :) my ever first distro01:20
sanxiynnate: move=drag/copy=ctrl+drag/link=alt+drag is exactly Windows way, and IMO it's wrong...01:20
natemicx: yes, probably, but it's not on the panel as default in Fedora01:20
natehow does Mac OSX do it, I wonder?01:20
natesomething similar, I thought01:20
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micXnate, option drag, I think.01:20
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subterrificsanxiyn: do you have any logical reasoning behind that or do you just think its wrong because it is from Windows?01:20
sanxiynsubterrific: I prefer ROX way better. :-)01:21
natecome to think of it, one Windows idiom I would love to see die is having file-open dialogs 01:21
sanxiynsubterrific: No, I don't hate it because it's from Windows. no.01:21
monkeyc-unboh god yes01:21
nateI would like my file-open dialogs to be a real file manager window01:21
subterrificnate: Mac does it the same way, but with the respective mac keyboard keys01:21
monkeyc-unbthat would be nice nate01:21
subterrificsanxiyn: and what is the ROX way?01:21
micXwtf is ROX?01:22
sanxiynsubterrific: You just drag, without any modification key, and drop.01:22
coravelguys, thanks for the ideas, the download will take time, i think i should go back and play a little more fallout 2 :) see ya after the install!01:22
sanxiynsubterrific: And it asks when you drop. copy/move/link/cancel.01:22
subterrificsanxiyn: that seems slow01:22
subterrificasking for user input on the screen is always slower than letting the user press a key01:23
monkeyc-unbi prefer the windows way to be honest but perhaps thats because i work with windows for a living01:23
subterrificthats why keyboard shortcuts are called shortcuts01:23
monkeyc-unblinux is for my pleasure :)01:23
subterrificmonkeyc-unb: the windows way is actually the mac way01:23
monkeyc-unbyeah i assumed that subterrific01:24
sanxiynsubterrific: Well, it's on ROX filer, and ROX makes very good uses of drag and drop in other areas too :-)01:24
sanxiynsubterrific: Like file saving by drag and drop.01:24
subterrifici like how windows added the idea of copy & pasting files though01:24
monkeyc-unbthough i cant remember my old mac behaviours.. too long ago for my addled mind01:24
subterrificapple ended up borrowing that idea from microsoft01:24
monkeyc-unbi use keyboard shortcuts a lot to be honest, its faster than a button in windows.01:25
monkeyc-unbmind you i also work heavily in the command line which is not normal for windows users :)01:25
subterrificdrag and drop works for simple quick operations, but as soon as you need to navitage a large hierarchy, it fails01:26
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subterrificwhich is why copy & paste for files makes so much sense01:27
micXwhat I despise about windows drag n drop, is when the icon you are dragging passes over some slow network drive on it's way, and the whole process pauses while windows inspects the network...01:27
sanxiynsubterrific: That's why I don't maintain large hierarchy anyway. :-)01:27
subterrificmicX: hehe, thats awful01:27
monkeyc-unbmicx that does suck01:27
subterrificsanxiyn: sometimes you don't have a choice, and then you're screwed with the ROX way01:28
sanxiynmicX: Hm, and Nautilus is any different?01:28
micXsanxiyn, I haven't experienced it on nautilus, but I haven't gone looking either.01:28
subterrificsanxiyn: yes, nautilus waits for you to open the window before it tries to scan the network drive01:28
micXI think it's a windows 'assumption' that you will be using the passed-over drive. very helpful of them.01:29
monkeyc-unbi did once read an explanation of that but cannot remember why micX01:31
monkeyc-unbyou can prevent it happening from memory01:32
subterrificsanxiyn: i agree with not creating hierarchies, i think file systems should be search driven. i've felt that way for a very long time. one of my first coding projects when i was learning to code on a mac in 95 was to create a file browser that stored all files in one directory and presented a metadata based browsing interface01:32
sanxiynsubterrific: Wow, cool.01:32
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nateon the whole, I think the addition of Spatial Mode is a small step forward01:33
natebut I still wish I could configure my file manager to be not quite as heavyweight as Browse Mode and not quite as lightweight as Spatial Mode01:33
natelike I would like the navigation bar to be just a bit thinner01:33
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natestill, I can use it as it is, it's just a bit painful01:34
sanxiynnate: Makes sense.01:34
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subterrificit would be ideal if when you saved a file you didn't give it a file name, but instead typed some keywords or a short description01:36
subterrificand you could just use that to find all your files01:36
natethere are projects along that line, in both Windows and Linux01:37
nateWinFS and Storage01:37
nateso I guess it will become the future at some point01:37
natebut I do not like that idea at all01:37
smeggydamn gmail is nice01:37
nateI want my files to stay where they are put01:37
smeggyi'm a bitch to google now01:37
sanxiynI do like Gmail's "archive" and "label" (instead of "folder").01:37
subterrificthats basically what i was trying to do in 95, but the problem then was dealing with file open dialogs in other applications01:37
nateand when, not if, my system crashes, I want it to be very easy to copy my data, in pieces, to my new machine01:38
micXsubterrific, some people do that now, you should see my CEO search for files on his powerbook. It hurts to watch...01:38
nateanything that requires a system-wide metadata database sounds like recreating the Windows Registry at the file system level01:38
subterrificmicX: yeah, applications aren't designed to work that way yet01:39
nateI suppose I could live with a metadata layer as long as it was optional and didn't cause any data loss if it got deleted and recreated01:39
micXthe self-organising computer. yuech.01:39
smeggyTo more complicated computers become like that01:39
smeggythe more it scares me.01:39
smeggyI like my data how it is, thanks very much.01:39
nateI am very glad that Evolution stores my mail in text files01:39
sanxiynnate: I want my MP3 file to be in "music", "artist X", "album Y", "year yyyy" folder at the same time.01:39
sanxiynMetadata, or "labeling" allows that.01:40
nateOh, also Reiser of ReiserFS is pushing this vision too01:40
natebut I want one of those locations to be the 'real' one01:40
subterrificyeah, reiserfs4 is pretty amazing01:40
sanxiynnate: Well, that's no problem. :-)01:40
subterrificBeFS was that way also, it was such a pleasure to work with01:41
nateso that when, not if, I have to transfer my files to a file system that does not understand that kind of metadata, it doesn't get destroyed01:41
subterrificwhich is why Apple hired the BeFS guy to recreate that layer on HFS+01:41
subterrificwhich is what Spotlight is in "Tiger"01:41
nateso does that mean Spotlight will be the first shipping implementation of such a system?01:42
subterrificno, BeOS did it01:42
subterrificand it was really amazing01:42
smeggyBeOS did basically everything first ;)01:42
natebut it had no apps01:42
subterrificyou could use the BeOS file browser as your email client gui01:42
nateso it was essentially one giant proof-of-concept system01:42
sanxiynnate: It had some commercial apps.01:42
smeggyIt had the apps that mattered ;)01:42
natesubterrific: okay, that's clever. ;)01:43
subterrificfor example: you create a live query for emails, ordered by date01:43
natething is, it's easy to do such a thing on an isolated, stand-alone system that does not have to share data with other platforms01:43
nateand that's great, but it's not the world most of us live in01:43
subterrificand it would open a file browser window with all those emails in it, and when new files were created, they'd show up01:44
nateif you could do such a thing and have it fully compatible with a standard filesystem, that'd be neat01:44
nateI suppose the concept wouldn't be too far removed from symlinks01:44
lifelessjdub: going to put paman in universe too ? (polypaudio manager)01:44
subterrificnate: BeFS was, BeOS was basically POSIX compliant01:45
nateso, if you were to copy your email folders to a floppy or CD-RW, what would you get?01:45
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subterrificthe one step Be never made, that i think made it far less useful was automatically generating metadata from file content.01:45
subterrificnot doing that i mean01:46
subterrificnate, well thats the thing, as soon as you copied your files to some other non-BeFS file system, you'd lose that metadata01:46
natebut you'd still have the original data?01:46
nateif there were a way of doing it, like say, a small .xml file in each virtual folder... hmm01:47
subterrificif they had added some sort of plugin based system that was able to automatically generate metadata from file contents, then it would have been far more useful.01:47
subterrificwhich is what reiserfs4 is trying to do...plugin based file system01:48
natewe seem to have rather a lot of file systems at the moment01:48
topyliahh. got samba printing to work. not with cups though. good old bsd-style lpd rules!01:49
nateFAT/VFAT, ISO9660 with various flavours, ZIP/TAR/GZIP et al, ext2/ext3, NTFS4/5... and that's just Linux/Windows01:50
subterrificthere is a gnome project along these lines also: http://www.gnome.org/projects/beagle/01:50
nateand at least they all have vaguely similar semantics: a hierarchy of folders01:50
subterrificright, there is no way of moving away from heirarchy any time soon01:51
natehow you'd create a non-hierarchical database file system and have it fully interoperable with all the various hierarchical systems that would be used to store, eg, backups on... hmm01:51
subterrificbut you can augment it with better interfaces, like spotlight, and Beagle01:51
nateI guess there's two approaches. One, store the 'real' data in a hierarchy and add a metadata layer, stored in some kind of database01:51
nateor just wallop the whole lot into one big SQL database, which is what I hope Microsoft is not looking at doing01:51
natewhat does Beagle do?01:52
subterrific"Beagle is an experimental tool for indexing and searching your data"01:52
natehope it's better than XP's 'search' function, which was a step down from NT4's in many ways.01:53
smeggyFirefox is telling me there are critical updates available.01:53
mdzit's exaggerating a bit :-)01:54
smeggyI didn't even know the damn thing had an autoupdate feature :P01:54
nate1.0PR added it, I believe01:54
natebig yay to Ubuntu for including 1.0PR, by the way01:55
subterrificnate: http://nat.org/2004/september/beagle.png01:55
smeggyThats pretty cool.01:55
subterrificthis is neat also: http://nat.org/dashboard/01:57
nateso, what kind of data is it aware of?01:57
Qo-noSBeagle ain't it the Spotlight-like tool destained for inclusion into GNOME proper in 3.0 or later?01:57
nateall these examples seem to be based around IM conversations, and that's the one thing I don't use01:57
subterrificnate: potentially all data01:57
natebut it has to be told somehow that, eg, saved IM conversations are IM conversations and not just text files01:58
nateotherwise, a simple grep would tell me this information. What's it adding that grep isn't?01:59
nate(well, a nice GUI, I guess... but I presume there's some deep magic under the hood as well?)01:59
subterrificright, for every custom file type some smart filter has to be written to extract relevant information01:59
natethat's what worries me01:59
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subterrificmuch much faster than grep01:59
naterequiring smart filters is what has crippled Windows XP's search function02:00
subterrificlook, simple analogy02:00
nateyou can no longer search your entire hard drive for that file you know has the info you want02:00
nateyou can only search 'known' file types02:00
moyogodoesn't it keep an index of things?02:00
subterrificimagine if you had to download every file on the internet with wget and then grep the file to do a web search02:00
subterrificthats what you're doing now02:00
subterrificbeagle is google for your harddrive02:00
subterrificindex searching vs content searching02:01
subterrificindex is much much faster02:01
nateI seem to recall Microsoft Office 2000 shipping with an indexing engine02:01
nateand everyone turned it off because it chewed so much CPU and memory02:01
subterrificit doesn't have to be that way02:02
natenot sure why it didn't work. It seemed like a good idea.02:02
subterrificmicrosoft is notorious for ruining good ideas02:02
nateOne thing I would love, would be for my web browser to save a decent-sized cache of my browsing02:02
subterrifici'm pretty sure they're going to find some way to ruin .NET/CLR02:02
nateand be able to search that before hitting Google02:02
natecombine that with something like Beagle and you could be onto a winner02:03
subterrificnate: beagle will do that02:03
nate(well, apart from that there's no way currently in Firefox to save your browse cache... but I'm sure a small extension could easily be written)02:03
subterrificits only a matter of beagle having code to know about your browser's cache file format02:04
subterrificanother thing beagle/dashboard could do would be to just index pages you visit02:05
natethat would be neat02:05
micXsmeggy, you can reset firefox's critical updates if you want to.02:05
subterrificso you'd search and get urls, like a personalized google02:05
nategoodness Nat Friedman looks young02:06
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micXfeeling old, nate? :)02:09
subterrificthe dashboord slide show from OSD is pretty funny02:10
subterrific"Private backend data: * Example: Dashboard matches porn in front of your boss"02:11
natemicX: yes02:12
nateI turned 33 two weeks ago02:12
natehmm, Tomboy looks like an interesting app02:12
micXnate, oh well, scrapheap for you, I suppose :)02:12
micXtomboy. Is that a mono app?02:13
natemicX: pbbbffft :)02:14
subterrificmicX: haha02:14
nateas is Beagle02:14
natewhole lotta .NET love from the Ximian crowd02:14
micXI think I compiled tomboy the other day, and it didn't want to play :(02:15
natebut mono is not default standard in Ubuntu yet, and I admit to a little patent queasiness about it myself02:15
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nateI would like to think mono could not be yanked away, but I'm not convinced it's 100% patent-safe02:16
micXblam! is good.02:16
subterrificnot even microsoft can yank open source :)02:16
micXit's a mono app rss reader.02:16
micXsubterrific, they don't have to, they just make it expensive to use...02:17
Qo-noSanotherg great mono app would be F-spot, anyone using it for your pr0n collection yet? ;)02:17
micXQo-noS, is that something like G-Spot :)02:18
subterrificthe best part of mono imho is the CLR stuff, and that is an open standard02:18
natesubterrific: yes they can, if it's patent infringing. Witness what happened to MP3 support.02:18
baietas_vmware is asking me What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel?02:18
baietas_where are they in ubuntu ?02:18
nateeven being an open published standard is no guarantee one can't be sued for patent infringement02:18
subterrifici mean i guess the .NET framework is nice, i've never used it, but CLR is much more interesting02:18
natebut I'd like to think CLR is okay02:18
subterrificand useful in the long run02:18
Qo-noSmicX: g-spot? ain't that located ~3cm inside the holy "hole" =0)02:19
subterrificnate: mp3 support is still around, it is just "underground"02:19
natesubterrific: exactly. It's illegal.02:19
natein some countries. Not in NZ, for instance, but in the USA.02:19
baietas_anybody got vmware working in ubuntu ?02:20
subterrifici think novell would put up a pretty good fight before mono becomes illegal02:20
natethat does give me a bit of hope02:21
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nateotoh, Novell have fluffed things badly in the past. And I speak as a Novell user.02:22
nateanyone else remember their fling with Wordperfect?02:22
nateand Quattro?02:22
subterrificyeah, i'd feel better if another company joined novell in supporting mono02:22
subterrificIBM maybe02:22
natemind you, Netware 6 has large chunks of Java too02:23
nateso they're sort of hedging their bets02:23
subterrific.NET is what Java should have been...it irks me02:23
nateI wonder how easy it is to port between .NET CLR and Java02:24
smeggywhats with all the java unlove :(02:24
smeggyjava is making leaps and bounds too y'know02:24
nateI see Lucene, Beagle's indexer, is a .NET port from a Jakarta project02:24
subterrificsmeggy: java is tied to java, thats its problem02:25
nateI think the big main thing with Java is that there's no functional up-to-date open source port02:25
smeggysubterrific, yeah.02:25
nateor if there is, there's not one that Red Hat see fit to ship, which must mean there's encumbrance problems02:25
smeggyBut java itself is still quite a nice language02:25
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subterrifici can write CLR code in 4 languages now and call between them02:25
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nateI wonder if Parrot will ever become nonvapourware02:26
subterrifici wish02:27
KosaiOh, Parrot works fine.  It's perl 6 that doesn't.02:27
nateUbuntu seems to have embraced Python as its VM of choice so far02:27
subterrificKosai: until i see python running on parrot it doesn't work02:28
natenow, if we could just get Perl, Python, Java, CLR all integrating, and then get UNO, XPCOM, CORBA/Bonobo, DCOP/KParts, DBUS and JavaBeans all talking...02:28
smeggynates gone mad evidently02:28
subterrificoh, and it needs to run faster than CPython02:28
subterrificlike IronPython...02:29
monkeyc-unbdoes anyone know of an RSS feed reader for evolution ?02:29
nate... then we mount a GIANT LASER on the MOON...02:29
subterrificdude, lasers rule02:29
subterrificthey are the future02:29
smeggyno dude02:29
smeggyhaven't you seen star trek?02:29
smeggylasers are gone man02:30
smeggyphasers are the future!02:30
topylii want ONE MILLION DOLLARS or i'll destroy your city with my LASER02:30
baietas_how do i get the latest kernel-image? apt-get install kernel-image-
micXno, warp drives are the go.02:30
smeggyand really tight catsuits...02:30
Qo-noSphasers? lasers? BOTH wrong. Sticks and stones will be the future :)02:30
monkeyc-unbnaah sharks with frickin laser beams 02:30
topylibaietas_: linux-image02:30
baietas_thank you02:31
Kosaisubterrific: Hm.  Weren't they pretty close?02:31
subterrificKosai: no idea, i just know they failed to win the bet02:31
baietas_what is SMP?02:32
danielsbaietas_: Symmetric Multi-Processing02:32
subterrificbaietas_: symetric multiprocessing02:32
baietas_for hyper threading or something?02:32
subterrificor multiple cpus02:32
monkeyc-unbor failing that can anyone reccomend a good RSS feed reader ?02:33
Kosaisubterrific: Yeah.  I think it was for laziness reasons rather than technological ones.02:33
Kosaimonkeyc-unb: I use sage inside Firefox.02:33
monkeyc-unbtried sage, just looking at the other options02:33
nateHow do you find sage?02:34
smeggyLiferea is a good reader.02:34
nateI think I tried it and didn't like it much, but I can't remember02:34
nateI rather like the built-in LiveBookmark feature, but it's pretty minimal02:34
subterrifici used Straw RSS reader for a while02:35
KosaiI like sage.  Firefox 1.0PR has inbuilt RSS reading, but sage gives a nice summary of which of your feeds has changed since you last read it, etc.02:35
subterrificit works well02:35
baietas_would apt-get install linux-kernel- upgrade my kernel and enable "hyper threading" ?02:35
monkeyc-unbStraw looks good but isnt in the universe..02:35
subterrificStraw is written in python also, so it gets points for that02:35
monkeyc-unbneither is lifearea02:35
micXbaietas_, sounds like it might :)02:36
smeggyYes baietas_.02:36
smeggyDid the same thing earlier today myself.02:37
Kosaisubterrific: Cool, thanks.02:38
topylimonkeyc-unb: i simply installed liferea from unstable.02:42
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monkeyc-unbtopyli, yes i think im going to have to do that02:42
topylimonkeyc-unb: of course, installing stuff from there might break our systems one day :)02:43
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NefarousCan anyone help me try and explain my very high load average, even while my system is rather idle? ( load average: 2.18, 2.14, 1.31 )02:54
supertedlooked at top ?02:55
Nefarousboth top and uptime02:55
subterrificrun top and hit shift-P02:55
Nefarousas in sort by cpu usage ... yes ... it's 96% idle ...02:56
subterrificNefarous: does the system feel really slow?02:56
Nefaroussometimes ...02:56
subterrifici had a similar issue but my machine started feeling really really really slow02:56
subterrificlike top would take 5 minutes to run02:56
Nefarousno, not experiencing that02:57
subterrificand it'd have negative numbers for cpu usage02:57
bob2thom: did you end up packaging the centrino wirelessdrivers?02:57
NefarousAt first I thought maybe top was just wrong, but then uptime shows the same ... very bizarre02:57
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subterrificbooting with  acpi=off nolapic noapic fixed the issues i was having02:58
NefarousYou know, that's a good idea ... it's an older system, and I don't think it supports acpi, just apm ...02:58
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andrey_It seems to me that the ubuntu kernel has no APM support02:59
subterrificNefarous: my system is new with P4 /w HT02:59
bob2andrey_: modprobe apm doesn't work?02:59
andrey_No, it doesn't.02:59
NefarousI just modprobed it, it worked.02:59
bob2andrey_: "doesn't"?03:00
bob2it doesn't exist? prints an error? sets your machine on fire?03:00
Nefarouscommodore:/home/wardj# modprobe apm03:00
Nefarouscommodore:/home/wardj# lsmod|grep apm03:00
Nefarousapm                    19948  003:00
andrey_The battery monitoring thing doesn't work and the laptop doesn't shut down.03:01
NefarousI'm going to play with the acpi settings and reboot ... cheers03:01
bob2andrey_: does your hardware do APM?03:01
andrey_Yes it does.03:02
thombob2: eh? they're in kernel03:03
bob2thom: oh03:04
bob2even better03:04
thomb and g versions03:07
thombob2: one more reason to get an X40 ;-P03:08
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Forsa`hello i am intersted in mirroring, with a 50MbiT connection, who can i talk to, to get help with setting it up ?03:16
bob2thom: haha03:16
micXthink I found out why ubuntu is laggy on this system:03:17
bob2thom: daniels getting his on the two days of my life I'll be at his house, the bastard03:17
micX Timing buffer-cache reads:   432 MB in  2.01 seconds = 214.85 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads:    2 MB in  4.60 seconds = 444.80 kB/sec03:17
bob2don't trust hdparm03:17
micXbob2, ok, what should I trust? It's agreeing with me though :)03:18
bob2unless this is a zip drive or something.03:19
micXnope dma 100 ide drive.03:19
micXE: Couldn't find package bonnie03:20
bob223:18 < bob2> bonnie++.03:21
micXbob2, I know, that's what I typed, but no joy.03:22
Forsa`hello i am intersted in mirroring, with a 50MbiT connection, who can i talk to, to get help with setting it up ?03:22
bob2bonnie++ - Hard drive bottleneck testing benchmark suite.03:22
bob2Forsa`: wiki.ubuntulinuxx.org/Archive?03:22
micXbob2, not in the standard apt sources.03:23
Forsa`i need tech help with setting the mirror up, and i am looking for some one to help me with it03:23
bob2micX: it's in universe03:24
micXbob2, universe?03:24
micXbob2, never mind, I see it.03:25
thomForsa`: just rsync into a directory, and then set apache up to serve that directory03:25
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nikmulI was wondering if ssh is unenabled on ubuntu on default?03:28
bob2the daemon is not03:32
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ralfhi all03:33
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ralffabbione: ciao03:35
ralfho Qo-noS03:37
ralfhi Qo-noS03:37
bob2you're using ubuntu and not Debian, anyway?03:37
Qo-noSralf: hiya :)03:38
ralfi'm using debian03:40
Qo-noSthink quite a few here are running both Debian and Ubuntu ;)03:41
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micXbob2, what does it all mean?03:42
micXbob2, ubuntu,480M,5029,36,13001,20,14461,17,13341,63,37979,21,139.0,0,16,210,44,+++++,+++,25369,46,240,46,+++++,+++,845,4903:42
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TheCanhi i'm new to ubuntu...why cant i select "swap" as partition type?03:45
TheCan(during installation)03:45
subterrificyou can03:46
TheCanin 4.1 ?03:46
subterrificas far as i know, you've always been able to03:46
TheCanthen i propably have been doing something wrong :/03:46
subterrificyeah, spend a little more time looking at the options03:47
subterrificand take that blind fold off03:47
TheCannext time then :>03:47
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dommiis ingres in universe?03:49
dommidamn Im lazy, Ill just go check03:49
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Forsa`i need tech help with setting the mirror up, and i am looking for some one to help me with it, 03:57
Forsa`i need abit help with rsync, 03:57
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bob2Forsa`: you haven't used rsync before?04:00
TheCansubterrific, i found the option, well the german translation of the installer sucks a bit :/04:01
Forsa`nope i did not.04:01
bob2Forsa`: ask for help on the ubuntu-users list04:02
Forsa`ok thanks04:02
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Forsa`hmm i where can i find it ?04:02
phr0stbyteUbuntu is up and fully configured!!!!04:02
dommicongrats phr0stbyte04:03
phr0stbytedomni: thanx04:03
bob2Forsa`: http://lists.ubuntu.com/04:04
phr0stbytedomni: I have one more thing, but I know thats not going to happen any time too soon04:04
phr0stbyteAny1 have a Wacom drawing tablet functioning in Ubuntu?04:05
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phr0stbytesmeggy: hey there!04:07
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willhi hi ppl04:09
willdoes anyone know how to install java on ubuntu04:10
dommiI need a good adobe illustrator clone for linux04:10
phr0stbytewill: # Java. apt-get install j2sdk to get the sun stuff. Kind of slow,04:11
phr0stbyte# but if you use Java, you're already used to slow. :p04:11
phr0stbyte# run ln -s /usr/lib/j2sdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so 04:11
phr0stbyte# to get java working in the browser.04:11
subterrificdommi: inkscape04:11
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subterrificnot as feature full as illustrator, but it does a decent job with SVG04:12
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codebreakerdoko: sorry fr msg04:13
codebreakersomebody seen doko the last few days?04:14
subterrificdommi: sodipodi might be good to look at also04:14
Treenaksis it a known bug that ssh:// connections (connect to server, ssh) are saved as sftp:// sessions (which don't work)04:15
subterrificssh:// means sftp://04:15
subterrificyou can't transfer files over ssh...04:15
KosaiWhy would sftp:// not work?04:16
Treenakssubterrific: if I replace sftp:// by ssh:// the links on my desktop suddenly work, and I can still transfer files..04:16
TreenaksKosai: sftp:// gives me an error..04:16
willphr0stbyte: it says e: couldn't find package j2sdk04:16
subterrificTreenaks: sftp:// works fine for me. in fact, if you use the Connect to Server... GUI and select SSH, it uses sftp://04:18
phr0stbytewill: add these sources to your /etc/apt/sources.list04:18
Treenakssubterrific: yes, that's the strange thing..04:18
Treenakssubterrific: I can connect to server, everything works fine04:18
Treenakssubterrific: then I log out, log back in, click the connection link that's on my desktop04:18
Treenakssubterrific: then it errors on me04:18
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subterrificwhat's the error?04:18
Treenakssubterrific: replacing sftp:// by ssh:// using gconf-editor makes the link work again04:18
TreenaksI clicked it away and I can't quite logout now (uploading pictures to my website using nautilus..)04:19
subterrificreport it as a bug04:19
subterrificsftp:// is pretty buggy anyway04:20
willso that file tells apt-g to look for software??04:20
Treenaksit's on the list of Things To Fix for Hoary afaik04:20
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XtremeCooLhow to reinstall grub ? cause after i reinstall my windows my boot loader gone04:25
TheCanman grub-install ?04:25
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XtremeCooLTheCan just type man grub-install enough?04:27
TheCanlol no04:27
willhow do i use apt-get once i have modified it?04:27
TheCanread the manpage for grub-install it's explained there04:27
XtremeCooLit difficult ? i new to linux04:27
TheCanjust type man grub-install04:28
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XtremeCooLi know it will explain ? easy for newbiez ? cause i nebwoez04:29
ralfor if you have kde, open konqueror and go to man:grub-install04:29
XtremeCooLi cant go in linux now , i only can access windows04:30
XtremeCooLi using rescue04:30
LinuxJonesCan you save windows positions for certain applications like Gnome Terminal ?04:31
TreenaksLinuxJones: you can choose "Save settings" when you log out..04:32
LinuxJonesTreenaks,  that will remember window geometry and such ?04:33
zenwhenwont that just make whatever apps you ahve open at the time of doing so be open the next time oyu log into gnome?04:33
Treenakszenwhen: yes and in the same positions as well04:33
Treenaksat least, that works for me04:33
LinuxJonesTreenaks,  cool thanks :)04:34
willXtremeCooL: how do i use apt-get now i have the new sources.list file04:35
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defendguinhey i need to load the apm module when i boot. where can i take care of this?04:36
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LinuxJoneswill, you first have to apt-get update to refresh the new repository that you have added04:37
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robertjhey all, any ppc users here?04:37
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willLinuxJones: done that04:37
defendguinhmm modprobe.conf i think04:38
LinuxJoneswill, now you can install whatever you want by doing apt-get install <packagename>04:38
Treenaksdefendguin: /etc/modules, but you really want ACPI04:38
willLinuxJones: where is the list of the packages i have updated?04:38
Treenaksdefendguin: (most PCs from the last 7 years have ACPI support)04:39
defendguinTreenaks, my laptop doesnt have acpi i dont think04:39
Treenaksdefendguin: especially laptops have ACPI04:39
LinuxJoneswill, what are you trying to install ?04:39
Treenaksmine is 4 years old and it has ACPI04:39
defendguinhold on let me get you the message dmseg04:40
defendguinACPI disabled because your bios is from 1999 and too old04:40
defendguinYou can enable it with acpi=force04:40
willLinuxJones: java04:40
defendguinLocal APIC disabled by BIOS -- reenabling.04:40
defendguinCould not enable APIC!04:40
Treenaksdefendguin: APIC != ACPI04:40
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Treenaksdefendguin: try dmesg | grep ACPI04:41
LinuxJoneswill, you can apt-cache search java from console, even better is using synaptic to search for it04:41
willLinuxJones: i got it installing now, but where do i find  the list of what packages are availabue with regards to my sources.list?04:42
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defendguinTreenaks, is there anyway i can send you a txt file of the messages?04:44
LinuxJoneswill, oh you can see all of the files available to apt by running synaptic and selecting all right under search history04:44
Treenaksdefendguin: is it much?04:44
defendguincant paste it here04:44
Treenaksdefendguin: does it say it's disabled stuff?04:44
Treenaksdefendguin: paste only the last 2 lines?04:44
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willah so synaptic and apt-get are linked then?04:45
psisomeone once posted a link to a 'Human' xmms skin. does anyone know where I can find it?04:45
Treenakswill: they use the same package list04:45
LinuxJoneswill, yes synaptic is a graphical front end for apt04:45
defendguinTreenaks, the last 50 lines or so are all some error messages04:46
defendguinACPI disabled because your bios is from 1999 and too old04:46
defendguinACPI: IRQ9 SCI: Edge set to Level Trigger.04:46
defendguinACPI: Subsystem revision 2004081604:46
defendguinACPI: Interpreter disabled.04:46
Treenaksdefendguin: aha!04:46
Treenaksdefendguin: upgrade your bios :)04:46
Treenaksdefendguin: or, add acpi=force on the kernel command line04:46
linux_mafiapsi, http://anka.org/henrik/humanxmms04:46
willso say if i download a .deb file how do i install that? do i enter it to apt-get?04:47
defendguinTreenaks, i looked around for a bios didnt see one on the dell site04:47
longsleepi am not able to set the preffered text editor through the gui .. where do i set this manually?04:47
Treenaksdefendguin: add acpi=force to the kernel ocmmand line then04:47
defendguinin the menu.list file?04:47
psilinux_mafia: thanks04:47
linux_mafiawill, sudo dpkg -i <package>04:47
Treenaksdefendguin: yes, just add it to one of the commented lines (the one specifying kernel options)04:47
Treenaksdefendguin: DON'T uncomment the line, just add to it04:48
linux_mafiapsi, its a bit nasty though, no offense to the author if they here04:48
LinuxJoneslongsleep, preferred applications will not allow you to select another editor ?04:48
Treenaksdefendguin: the "# kopt=" line, jsut add acpi=off to the end of that line04:48
Treenaksdefendguin: then run update-grub04:48
willdoes that work for most packages using dpkg?04:49
psilinux_mafia: it seems okay to me04:49
linux_mafiawill, well yes, unless they have dependancies04:49
linux_mafiapsi, each to their own ;)04:49
willcan you install redhat .rpm's?04:49
longsleepLinuxJones, right .. i can set it but next time i reload the tab its reset04:50
LinuxJoneswill,  yes you need to install alien but then you may run into dependency problems04:50
linux_mafiawill, you can use an app called alien which will convert rpm to deb, dosent always work though04:50
defendguinTreenaks, you mean acpi=force04:50
longsleepLinuxJones, it allways falls back to kwrite ..04:50
LinuxJoneslongsleep, let me try04:50
linux_mafiawill, although i have used alien many times with no probs, just wouldnt alien anything important to system stability04:51
Treenaksdefendguin: uh, of course04:51
willso what about things like wine? how do i install that one?04:51
LinuxJoneslongsleep, mine is the same it must be a bug04:52
defendguinTreenaks, you dont know where i could find a new bios for dell laptops?04:52
longsleepLinuxJones, ah ok :) .. so it is possible to set this without this app?04:52
Treenaksdefendguin: ask dell04:53
linux_mafiadefendguin, what model04:53
longsleepLinuxJones, do you file a bug report or should i do that?04:53
defendguinlinux_mafia, its a cpi-a series04:53
defendguinwhich is a dell latitude04:54
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LinuxJoneslongsleep, I have some work to do right now, would you do it ?04:55
longsleepLinuxJones, ok doing it04:55
LinuxJoneslongsleep, :D04:55
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linux_mafiadefendguin, what version bios you have currently?05:00
defendguinhmmmm i think i found a bios that was released in 2001 2 years after mine was released05:00
linux_mafiadefendguin, a15 is the most current for that model05:01
defendguinlinux_mafia, how can i tell for sure05:01
defendguinits very possible that the bios has never been updated on this system05:01
linux_mafiadefendguin, it shows the bios version on boot05:02
defendguinyeah i realize that but i dont feel like rebooting just this second05:03
defendguinin any case i am almost positive i have the original bios05:03
defendguinand it appears as though they have had many updates since then05:04
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dommianyone have a simple python script that I could use to test on my webserver?05:04
defendguinnot sure how to install it though as i have no floppy drive :(05:05
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jordidoes anyone have a ubuntu apt line handy?05:07
defendguinahh i guess i can do it on a CD05:07
LinuxJonesdefendguin, could you burn it to a cdrom ?05:08
Kosaijordi: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe05:09
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jordiKosai: thx05:09
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defendguinLinuxJones, yes i found an already made iso05:15
LinuxJonesdefendguin, great05:15
defendguinim going to take out the acpi=force line from my menu.list file in hopes this will be the fix05:17
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linux_mafiahey what the, i just realised i don't have hal-device-manager anymore, does everyone else here still have it?05:17
joemlinux_mafia, it is a seperate package now05:18
linux_mafiafigured it would be something like that05:18
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Nonphasisthere is something wrong w/ ubuntu kernel/scheduling...05:19
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Nonphasissound crackling while copying05:20
Nonphasisi thought 2.6 kernels should have solved it05:20
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giorsathi. first time I try ubuntu. great. anybody can teach me please how to configure a wireless prism2usb wlan-ng card in it?. the graphical tool doesn't work but the card is recognized and possibly working if configured. don't find config files..:(05:21
zakilihi to all.05:21
Treenaksgiorsat: just plug it in and start the network configuration tool from the menu05:21
Treenakszakili: hi05:21
zakilir u all ununtu users :)05:21
zakilii install my ubuntu yesterday ..05:22
giorsatalready tried. it finds eth0 but not wlan0. so I dont' know what to do05:22
Nonphasisand mouse pointer is jerky too05:22
zakiliso i just wonna see community05:22
Treenaksgiorsat: it's called eth005:23
Treenaksgiorsat: the "wlan" names are outdated05:23
Treenaksgiorsat: check the output of dmesg05:23
zakilitype sudo dmesg|grep wireless  05:23
zakiliand see if kernel load module05:23
Treenakszakili: sudo is not required for dmesg05:24
giorsatthis is the output. tha card is found but I don't know the name and where to configure ip address(it uses wrongly dhcp). (apart from /etc/wlan/config files already done)usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using address 405:25
giorsatprism2usb_init: prism2_usb.o: 0.2.1-pre21 Loaded05:25
giorsatprism2usb_init: dev_info is: prism2_usb05:25
giorsatusbcore: registered new driver prism2_usb05:25
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defendguinwoo hoo05:26
defendguinwell at least it works now with acpi05:26
zakilihow to enable suspend on sony vaio notebook?05:27
zakiliare here some laptop users?05:28
zakiliso what is dmesg | grep wireless output?05:29
Phr0stByteI cant get beep-media-player to play audio CD - can any1 help? (I get other audio on the system)05:30
zakiliis someone use suspend mode on laptop?05:32
zakilihow to configure acpi to enable this options?05:33
Treenakszakili: wait for Hoary, that'll support it better05:33
zakiliis there some forum with ubuntu community?05:35
Treenaksyou can join the mailing list05:36
DimSumLol @ Mailing Lists05:36
TreenaksDimSum: I personally like mailing lists a lot better than forums05:36
zakilii sow it. thanks05:37
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Phr0stBytesound that is...05:37
DimSumTreenaks: Why?05:38
Atticushello everyone, i was just wondering if i should install a new nvidia driver package or use the ubuntu default?05:39
TreenaksDimSum: most forums I've seen are populated with 15-year old "I'm better than you" will-never-have-a-girlfriend nerds05:40
TreenaksDimSum: 90%05:40
GeorgeI take offense to that!05:40
DimSumI think you'll find that with proper moderation, any forum can be worthwhile05:40
DimSumLess moderation, and more administration, actually05:40
AtticusAlmost every MMORPG forum is like that Treenaks05:40
DimSumThat's because every goddamn RPG user is an idiot05:41
Atticuslol i take offense to that :P05:41
DimSumRPGs are what 13 year olds play because their parents won't let them "blow things up"05:41
AtticusSimSum, i think a better outlet for that anger would be an FPS game?05:41
DimSumOnly decent RPG I've ever seen is City of Heroes, which is absolutely incredible05:42
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AtticusDimSum, yes CoH is awesome05:42
DimSumLiked the sound of Lineage II, as well05:42
DimSumBut it's practically the same, just without the superheroness...05:42
AtticusIm looking forward to Vanguarg Live05:42
DimSumNever heard of it :\05:42
AtticusOops Vanguard*05:42
AtticusIts an mmorpg based on the unreal 3 technology05:43
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DimSumNot a fan of the new engines05:43
DimSumI'm waiting for Quake 405:43
AtticusBasically meaning it will be beautiful05:43
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AtticusUnreal 3 engine wont be out till 2006 05:43
DimSumI just know that Raven aren't gonna ruin Quake 4 with darkness like ID did with Doom 305:43
DimSumDoom 3 = Quake 3 + Ubertools + complete darkness05:44
AtticusDimSum, have you ever seen a fully lit doom 3 room... it looks like shit, thats why they made it all dark :D05:44
AtticusTo hide their flaws05:44
DimSumExactly lol05:44
DimSumI made a mod for Doom 3, called VariLight05:44
jovianhi all new to ubuntu so forgive the dumb question but how do I mount a different hard drive05:44
AtticusDimSum, is that a flashlight mod?05:44
DimSumWhich strapped lights onto the majority of the guns in Doom 3; makes it much more playable05:44
DimSumYeah, Atticus05:44
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joviannew to gnome as well :)05:44
AtticusDimSum, i think i downlaoded that!05:44
DimSumIt was featured in some german gaming magazine, lol05:44
DimSumAtticus: Haha :D05:45
AtticusDimSum, either that one or someone elses05:45
DimSumYeah, there's like... three05:45
DimSumDuct Tape, Hello Kitty, and VariLight05:45
DimSumVariLight was based on Duct Tape, as was Hello Kitty05:45
Atticussweet, do you mod for any other games?05:45
AtticusI'm mainly into mapping05:46
DimSumWell, I did bits and pieces with Jedi Knight 205:46
DimSumNever really done much mapping, to be honest; found it too difficult, lol05:47
AtticusDimSum, yea mapping takes alot of patience and understand of the mapping tool, but once you figure that out it is alot of fun.05:47
DimSumI was actually going to create a sequel to ROTT05:47
DimSumYou remember ROTT?05:48
DimSumWas a Doom 1-style game written by Apogee05:48
jovianhi all new to ubuntu so forgive the dumb question but how do I mount a different hard drive05:48
DimSumAhhh, http://www.3drealms.com/rott/05:48
DimSumIt was awesome05:48
Atticuscool ill check it out05:48
DimSumAnd if any game deserves a sequel, it's ROTT05:48
DimSumAs soon as the Quake 3 engine goes OSS, I'm going to do it :)05:49
TreenaksDimSum: ROTT was great05:49
DimSumTreenaks, hell yeah05:49
DimSumBeat Doom with a really large stick05:49
Atticusill have to search for a download of it05:49
TreenaksI mean... flying body parts..05:49
DimSumYou can get it off their site, Atticus05:50
DimSumIn the downloads section =)05:50
DimSumTreenaks: Gibbing :D05:50
TreenaksDimSum: Ludicrous Gibs :)05:50
DimSumIf/when I do write the sequel, it's going to be perfect to the original05:50
AtticusDimsum, awesome05:50
DimSumIt WILL be ROTT, just with a new graphics engine05:50
DimSumI'll even have the 90 degree wall limitation in it :D05:51
TreenaksDimSum: 8)05:51
DimSumFuck Carmack and his "Doom 1 Remake"; this will illustrate to him just exactly what a re-make should look like, lol05:51
AtticusOn the pc im on now, doom 1 is about the only game i could run lol05:51
DimSumAtticus, what specs? :|05:51
Atticus500mhz 384mb ram geforce 4 mx 42005:51
Atticusmy other pc is 3.2ghz 1gb ram radeon 9800xt05:52
DimSumYou could play Quake 1 and Quake 205:52
DimSumHell, you could play Quake 305:52
Atticushaha i know i was just being sarcastic05:52
DimSumYou'd only get 60fps, but still... ;P05:52
AtticusThis thing is night and day with my good pc though05:52
DimSumI get like 400 fps on Quake 305:52
Atticusim just using this for ubuntu05:52
DimSumwith everything on max05:52
DimSum[ Computer Stats ]  [ OS: Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600) ]  [ Uptime: 20h 42m 21s ]  [ CPU: 4-Intel Pentium 4, 2399MHz, 512KB (0% Load) ]  [ Memory: Usage: 484/1023MB (47.31%) [|||||||||||||||]  ]  [ GFX: NVIDIA Quadro FX 2000 ]  [ Resolution: 1600x1200 32bit 85Hz ] 05:53
AtticusDimSum, is there some better nvidia drivers i can download for ubuntu05:53
DimSumNope, Linux + Graphics == no-go05:53
DimSumJust don't even attempt it05:53
Atticuslol k05:53
Atticusyea i kinda figured that out when my pc was running screen saves at 2 fps05:54
DimSumI'm a Windows user anyway, I'm just hanging out here because I love the Ubuntu look and feel05:54
DimSumI ported their theme, Human, to XP ;P05:54
Atticusdimsum, yea me too..05:54
AtticusDimSum, ive always used windows just installed this yesterday and i really like it05:54
DimSumLinux is unusable as a main OS, though... just something to play with, really05:54
DimSumAtticus, check this: http://www.gfxoasis.com/board/index.php?showtopic=1093305:55
AtticusDimSum, i think a normal internet surfer, office user could get alot out of this OS05:55
AtticusFor gamers, no way05:55
DimSumHmmm, only if they didn't encounter any problems with it in the course of their work05:55
Kamiona good chunk of our purpose in existence is to make Linux usable as ordinary people's main operating system05:55
DimSumKamion: Until you can get rid of random errors, then it's just not going to happen05:56
DimSumWindows and OS X has Linux beat hands-down in that respect05:56
DimSumWindows more than OS X, as well.05:56
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Kamiondude, that's laughable coming from Windows :-)05:56
DimSumObviously you've never used Windows properly, then.05:57
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AtticusWindows costs money :(05:57
DimSumI use all five major platforms on a daily basis, and I have never had a single issue with Windows since Windows ME, oooh... 4 years ago now.05:57
DimSumAtticus: No it doesn't, lol05:57
Kamionperhaps; I stopped using proprietary operating systems many years ago05:57
KamionI do have to support my parents using it, though, and it's pain05:57
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AtticusDimSum, technically yes... but of course we know ways around this lol05:57
KamionI'd much rather support my parents using Ubuntu.05:57
DimSumKamion: What would you tell them when, for no reason, their networking stops working?05:58
AtticusIm glad ubuntu uses gnome05:58
Kamionsame as I tell them when it randomly stops working in Windows05:58
Kamion"I'll come up and fix it"05:58
jkgDimSum: have you had problems with your networking randomly stopping working under Ubuntu?05:58
DimSumAtticus: I've never paid for a single piece of MS software in my life, but considering that I work for them, it's not really a good argument05:58
DimSumjkg: Yes05:58
jkg'cos I haven't, as yet.05:58
jkgwhereas I have under Windows, many a time :)05:58
AtticusDimSum, neither have i.. other than what came on my new pc05:59
DimSumjkg: Had to edit the network conf files to get it to work again, since the Network Settings applet didn't actually work.05:59
Atticusi have office 2003 also heh05:59
jkgoh, fair enough.05:59
DimSumIt's just things LIKE that...05:59
DimSumThe major problems I've had with *n*x in the past has been with XFree8605:59
DimSumNever had any issues like that in Solaris, of course, since they use XSun05:59
AtticusKamion: what is the lowest end computer that ubuntu has run stabaly on?05:59
jkgI was actually just thinking how Ubuntu is probably the first linux distro I've seen (and admittedly I'm a debian weenie through and through) that I might be willing to give to my parents.05:59
DimSumjkg: Fedora isn't bad, either, but it's still LINUX06:00
DimSumYou just don't have random issues like that in Windows06:00
KamionAtticus: don't actually know for i386; people have run it on blue-and-white G3s, which are at the very bottom end of the supported powerpc spectrum06:00
jkgI have lots of random problems in Windows.06:00
DimSumjkg: Then you might want to consider that you're having hardware issues06:00
DimSumEither that, or you're running a 9x-kernel version of Windows06:01
AtticusKamion, Ubuntu runs as smooth as it does on my 3.2ghz 1gb ram box as this 500mhz box, i commend you for that!06:01
DimSumIf you're running 2K, XP, or 2k3, you won't have any problems if your hardware isn't damaged06:01
jkgno, XP. and no, my hardware runs fine under Linux :P06:01
Qo-noSjkg: not forgetting the freezes one experiences with SP2 upgrades, klez, sexy melissa, sobig, code red, etc ;)06:01
DimSumThe first time I had XP crash/fail on me was last night actually, and that was because one of my hard drives was failing06:01
KosaiAtticus: Yeah, my desktop is 500MHz.  No complaints here either.06:02
DimSumQo-noS: Sorry, you get viruses?06:02
jkggiven that microsoft publish errata every month I'm not sure how you can claim XP never has any problems.06:02
DimSumQo-noS: Are you an idiot, then? Because you have to be to catch viruses.06:02
KosaiDimSum: "Only idiots look at jpegs", right?06:02
DimSumjkg: Keep up to date with patches and you won't have any issues.06:02
jkgI mean what's this whole JPEG thing about?06:02
Qo-noSDimSum: most windows users get them...only thing is whetehr they know it or they don't ;)06:02
AtticusIf you take care of your XP system, meaning no spyware adware viruses... then you shouldnt ever have a problem with it if you know how to correctly use a pc.06:02
KamionDimSum: please stop treating other people here with quite so much disrespect06:02
jkgDimSum: what because the patches fix issues that don't exist until the patch is released, or something/06:02
DimSumKamion: Sorry06:03
DimSumjkg: No, it's that nobody KNOWS about them until the patch is released06:03
DimSumThat's the benefit of closed-source software06:03
jkgoh, I'm sorry06:03
DimSumPeople can't just leaf through the code and find new ways of rooting you06:03
jkgI hadn't realised you were trolling, I thought you just misunderstood. mea culpa.06:03
KosaiDimSum: That.. doesn't sound like a benefit to me.06:03
DimSumIncidentally, the JPEG flaw was patched in SP206:03
Qo-noSDimSum: the poison pics code is already in the open...expect probs ;)06:03
DimSumQo-noS: It's already been patched.06:04
DimSumIf you didn't upgrade to SP2 when it was released, on August 8th, then it's your own fault06:04
KosaiDimSum: Which many people are refusing to install because of serious networking brokenness.06:04
AtticusIs there any program similar to Gaim for windows06:04
Atticusi am in love with it06:04
DimSumSerious networking brokenness? Haven't had any issues with it, to be honest.06:04
jkgis gaim not available for windows?06:04
DimSumHad quite a few networking issues, which I have since determined was related to my router06:04
Qo-noSDimSun: patched? oh expect patches for the patch...isn't it standard Windows policy to have to repatch patches and then re-repatch them again LOL06:04
jkgI tend to use psi, under windows and linux, though.06:04
NewComerAtticus: yeah, Gaim for Windows :)06:04
Atticusjkg: i think its for gnome only06:04
DimSumSetting my MTU lower in the router conf fixed everything06:04
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DimSumQo-noS: Nope06:05
Atticusnewcomer, really thats awesome06:05
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DimSumQo-noS: Never actually seen that happen, to be honest.06:05
NewComerAtticus: there's also trillain06:05
Qo-noSDimSum: you obviously living on a differnt planet :P06:05
DimSumWhat happens is, they have to release support patches for people who didn't patch the first time around06:05
AtticusNewComer: ive used trillian but it did not appeal to me06:05
cyphosdoes anyone know what packages I need to get the kernel source?06:05
DimSumSo that after they get infected, they have to release not only a patch to guard against infection, but one to remove the infection itself06:05
NewComerAtticus: then go for Gaim06:05
DimSumIf people just stfu'd and patched when MS released them, there wouldn't be any problems with security06:06
Qo-noSDimSum: *sigh* think you are in the wrong channel dude...no one believes you or cares abpout what you say ;)06:06
DimSumQo-noS: That's because you're fanboys, so... you're not going to believe me06:06
DimSumBecause you're already set in your opinions06:06
jkgDimSum: I'm really not sure why you're here. if Windows is perfection personified, and nothing else is worth considering...06:06
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DimSumjkg: As I've said earlier, I'm here because I happen to think that Ubuntu is the best distro of a barely tolerable bunch, and I like the UI06:07
jkgI just wouldn't claim either was even close to perfect.06:07
DimSumjkg, just out of interest, what version of Windows do you run at the moment?06:07
Qo-noSDimSum: yeah goto #windows or whatever...like I say, you are in the wrong channel ;)06:07
DimSumjkg: Specifics...06:07
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DimSumPro? Home? MCE? SP0? SP1? SP2?06:07
jkgXP Pro, but surely that shouldn't matter.06:07
jkgwith SP2, obviously.06:08
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DimSumHad any problems recently?06:08
DimSumcyphos: Linux-devel06:08
DimSumI think, lemme check06:08
DimSumMight be linux-source06:08
cyphosDimSum: thanx buddy :)06:08
DimSumThat's the one06:08
cyphos*happy dance*06:08
DimSumand linux-headers06:09
DimSumas well06:09
DimSumI think06:09
Kamioncyphos: out of interest, what do you need the self-built kernel for? we'd like the stock kernel to suit as many people as possible, unless they actually have to patch the source06:09
KamionDimSum: nope06:09
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DimSumKamion: Really? Ah06:09
Kamionlinux-headers is there for if you need to build third-party drivers06:09
DimSumYes, that's what I was doing ;P06:09
DimSumWas building Orinoco drivers06:09
DimSumTo support monitor mode06:09
KamionAren't they in the stock kernel?06:09
DimSumOnly reason I'm running Ubuntu is to capture packets, lol06:10
DimSumGood ol' airsnort06:10
jkgoh, yeah, if I want to build a 3rd party module (the acx100 driver, FWIW) I should only need the linux-headers package, right?06:10
Kamionjkg: yes06:10
Kamionjkg: we ship acx100, though ...06:10
jkgI'd just assumed you wouldn't :)06:10
Kamion$ dpkg -c /mirror/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source- | grep acx06:11
Kamiondrwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2004-09-30 16:05:42 ./lib/modules/
Kamion-rw-r--r-- root/root    171403 2004-09-30 16:05:42 ./lib/modules/
Kamionjkg: it may not be in the discover tables, since Debian don't ship it (and I suspect it only works on i386 anyway ...); let me know 'lspci' and 'lspci -n' output and I'll arrange for it to be autodetected06:11
Kamionit is available in the installer environment, though.06:12
jkgah, it seems to be detected but there's an error uploading the firmware06:12
Kamionjkg: what error?06:12
jkgERROR: no directory for firmware file specified, ABORTING. Make sure to set module parameter 'firmware_dir'! (specified as absolute path!)06:13
jkgacx100_reset_dev: Failed to upload firmware to the ACX10006:13
jkg(in dmesg)06:13
Kamionoh, the acx driver is annoying like that06:13
DimSumAnyone want a GMail account?06:13
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Kamionit doesn't use the standard request_firmware() kernel interface, for some reason; probably one of the reasons it isn't in the standard upstream kernel yet06:13
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Kamionyou need to do 'modprobe acx_pci firmware_dir=/wherever/you/put/the/kernel', and probably a bunch of other options; it's not a very high-quality driver yet.06:14
KamionI have an acx100 card, and always meant to fix it up ...06:15
jkgis there no config file I can prod to set the firmware_dir variable?06:16
Atticushmm, i seem to be having a problem getting the nes emulator i just downloaded to run06:17
Kamionjkg: the acx100 driver source comes with a script to do it; scripts/start_net, I believe06:17
AtticusFCE ultra06:17
Kamionjkg: you could create /etc/modprobe.d/acx_pci and put 'options acx_pci firmware_dir=/blah' in it, though06:19
Kamion(I think)06:19
jaso1hi room! I'm afraid to say I'm a linux newbie. I installed Ubuntu last night and so far have been very impressed with it. Problem is that I can't see any of my drives on my raid controller. I've been looking on google but have seen a fair amount of conflicting information. Could anybody on here point me in the right direction for some information on setting it up on Ubuntu? cheers.06:19
jkgah, cool, thanks.06:19
jkgjust trying the start_net script first.06:19
Kamionjaso1: can you send me the output of 'cut -f1,2 /proc/bus/pci/devices'? Sorry, you might have to transcribe it.06:20
jaso1just  a sec06:20
jaso1Kamion, should I IM it or send on here?06:20
Kamion(press alt-f2 to get to a shell, alt-f1 to get back to the UI)06:20
Kamionjaso1: /msg is fine06:20
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Kamionhm, I meant private /msg06:21
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jaso1new to irv06:21
jaso1new to IRC as well!06:21
Kamion        12838212        ide     siimage IT/ITE8212 Dual channel ATA RAID controller (PCI version seems to be IT8212, embedded seems to be ITE8212)06:22
Kamionwell, that ought to be supported ...06:22
jaso1it's detected in the device manager GUI but none of the drives work06:23
Kamionoh, you've gone through the installer already?06:23
jaso1yeah....i have a standard drive that I installed to06:23
jaso1my controller is the ITE8212 integrated 06:24
Kamionthere should be an underlying ATA controller as well, shouldn't there?06:25
jaso1I have a standard ATA controller, a raid controller and a SATA controller. I'm not using the SATA one06:26
Kamionaha, 10de0065 is NForce2 IDE06:26
jaso1that's the one06:26
Kamionis the amd74xx module loaded?06:27
KamionI may be missing the point, though06:27
jkgwoot, I have a working wlan0 interface. thanks for your help, Kamion :)06:27
jaso1how can I find out?06:28
Kamionjkg: cool06:28
Kamionjaso1: look in the output of 'lsmod' in a terminal06:28
jaso1yes it's there06:29
Kamionjaso1: hm, I'm kind of lost, I'm afraid; you could mail ubuntu-users to see if anyone else there has the same kind of controller06:31
jaso1ok....thanks for your time06:32
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jlhiya. anyone else experiencing the default X cursor "x" placed dead center of the screen which won't go away until you drag an open window over it?06:34
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Kosaijl: Yes.  Turn off the software cursor in X.06:34
Kosai(Option "SWCursor" "Off", IIRC.  See ubuntu-users.)06:35
jlok... xf86config file change right?06:35
jli just subscribed to that list. haven't found that one06:35
Kosaijl: Right.06:36
KosaiIt might be HWCursor off, either.  'fraid I can't remember.06:37
jli am looking.06:37
jlif someone can dig up that post, i would appreciate it.06:37
jla link i mean06:37
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jlNM   i think i got it. Option "SWCursor" "off" under device section for the video card06:41
jlbbl.  thanks guys06:41
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willhi what is the path on a standard install of ubuntu for 'sendmail'06:47
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joemwill, which sendmail06:47
willjsut the normal sendmail program06:48
joemwhich is a command06:49
joemtype "which sendmail"06:49
bunburyHello I am having trouble getting a USB palm pilot recognised. Nothing shows up in /dev when I connect it. Any help appreciated.06:51
Kamionwill: /usr/sbin/sendmail06:51
HcEbunbury: modprobe mass-storage06:51
HcEah, sory06:51
HcEthought it was a thumbdrive06:51
Kosaibunbury: modprobe visor, perhaps.06:51
bunburyFATAL: Module mass_storage not found.06:52
bunburyWhat next?06:52
bunburyI ran that as root06:52
Kosaibunbury: Try modprobe visor, and then tell us if 'dmesg' has anything related to your Palm at the bottom.06:52
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willhow do i enter that into thunderbird mail? it says its an invalid server!06:53
bunburyyes there is a reference to USB serial support being registered for Palm OS06:54
bunburyThat was for Kosai06:54
Kosaibunbury: Great.  Then you're all set.06:55
KosaiIt should tell you which /dev/ttyS* device has been registered, and you can feed that to your sync program.06:55
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housetieris there a livecd somewhere?06:57
bunburyKosai: doesn't seem to I am afraid06:57
KosaiOh.  Hm.  Well, try /dev/ttyS0, then /dev/ttyS1.06:58
bunburyKosai: are they for USB connections?06:59
RuffianSoldierUSB Key???06:59
Kosaibunbury: Traditionally they're the serial ports, but the "USB serial support" is bridging between your USB crable and the serial device.07:00
RuffianSoldierUniversal Serial Bus!07:00
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Mitariolo everyone07:02
RuffianSoldierOven Mit07:02
Mitarioeh, hi :)07:03
RuffianSoldierI am also known as q207:05
bunburyKosai: Tried ttys0-3. No joy. Under Mandrake, /dev/usb is created when I plug in the Pilot and I use /dev/usb/tts/0. None of this seems to happen in Ubuntu, although as we have seen, the Pilot seems to be registered OK. 07:05
bunburyDoes anyone have any further clues, please?07:05
RuffianSoldierWindows emulator?07:06
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RuffianSoldierWould a windows emulator work for a USB Key?????07:10
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cyphoswhere can I get mono packages?07:11
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RuffianSoldierapt-cache search mono07:12
RuffianSoldierapt-get install mono?07:12
RuffianSoldierWhat is mono>07:13
cyphosno repository contains mono07:13
cyphosthe start of a revolution ;) hehe07:13
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RuffianSoldiernever used such a thing07:15
plovscyphos, deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./07:15
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cyphosplovs: you're the greatest ;)07:17
plovscyphos, i get that all the time :)07:17
cyphoshowever, I'm very new to debian... how do I install these packages?07:18
bunburyKosai: I ran dmesg again and this time there was a reference to the port I needed. Sync now works. Thank you very much for your help07:18
plovscyphos, add the line i wrote to your /etc/apt/sources.list07:19
Kosaibunbury: Oh!  I'm glad to hear that.  You're welcome.07:19
cyphosplovs: hmm, I tried adding it by Synaptic but no go07:19
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plovscyphos, just add it by hand07:20
cyphosplovs: okay did that, then started Synoptic add got the following error: Malformed line 19 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist)07:22
RuffianSoldierthat not good07:22
RuffianSoldierif Packal ever gets here he can help you with tha07:23
RuffianSoldierhe help me yesterday07:23
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plovscyphos, what did you add (and how) ?07:25
cyphosplovs: I just put the following line in /etc/apt/sources.list:07:25
cyphosdeb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/07:25
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plovscyphos, add " ./" to the end of it (mind the space)07:26
cyphosMalformed line 20 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist)07:27
RuffianSoldiercyphos: still lookin for mono? well its on that link http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/07:27
plovscyphos, the line should be: "deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./" 07:28
cyphosRuffianSoldier: yeah, plovs pointed that out to me... however I don't know how to install it07:28
housetiercyphos, what does line 20 look like exactly?07:29
RuffianSoldierdpkg -i (where the package is: ~/mono?)07:29
RuffianSoldierif you had KPackage it would be easy as pie07:29
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cyphosokay, works now :)07:31
plovscyphos, good!07:31
dablitzcan anyone sugguest a good dvd burning prog07:31
cyphosplovs: I didn't mind the space :P07:31
plovscyphos, the devil is in the details07:32
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cyphoserr, I'm missing libicu28!07:34
RuffianSoldierdo your apt-gets work cyphos07:35
cyphosRuffianSoldier: I'm a newbie to debian (I come from the gentoo world). I've heard of apt-get, but don't know what it really is :S07:36
cyphosbut I got it now, I just added the universe repository07:36
pawsanyone know how to get the ubuntu installer to use an already existing partition?07:36
RuffianSoldieraaah, i was going to try Gentoo if Ubuntu would not work good07:37
RuffianSoldierbut it works great07:37
cyphosI like Ubuntu07:37
cyphosI think I'll stick with it07:37
pawsi'm using it in virtual PC for a few days now, it rocks07:37
cyphosI just have a lot of learning to do yet ;)07:37
pawsi want to move it to the real HD, but i dont know how to tell the installer to use my gentoo partition07:38
RuffianSoldieri came from Libranet (Basicaly the same thing since it Debian also) and i will go back to that when LN 3 comes out07:38
plovscyphos, apt-get is easy, once you get it, a little like emerge but faster :)07:38
cyphosplovs: sounds good :)07:39
sabdflpaws: start the installation as usual07:39
sabdflbe very careful when you get to the partitioning question07:39
dablitzcyphos what is the universe repository?07:39
sabdflone of the options will give you a details partitioning setup07:39
cyphosdablitz: the debian unstable packages, unsupported by Ubuntu07:39
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q2I am RuffianSoldier07:40
q2q2 means im on my Linux box07:40
dablitzso how do I install that07:40
pawssabdfl: right...its easy to nuke the rest of the partitions07:40
plovsq2, so that's why we have so many people in this channel07:40
cyphosdablitz: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.535934980107:40
q2plovz, huh?07:42
cyphosdablitz: n/p, have fun :)07:43
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cyphosplovs: any idea of where to get mod_mono?07:46
plovscyphos, maybe ask tseng, he is the mono-man07:47
housetierha I am almost done with downloading the ubuntu live cd07:47
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Sannehousetier: heh, me too :)07:47
q2Cyphos - open up a console and type: sudo apt-get install mono07:47
q2and mono will be installed07:47
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cyphosq2: thanx, but I have mono installed now... but there are mono addons that I need :)07:48
Phr0stBytehas anyone successfuly installed transcode onto their Ubuntu system?07:48
q2type: sudo apt-cache search mono          cyphos, then look at the  list, and if you want something installed, type: sudo apt-get install monowhateveritisinthelist07:50
Kosaiq2: Warty doesn't ship with mono.07:51
moyogoyou don't need sudo for apt-cache07:51
q2i know07:51
q2i know07:51
Se7hand you must have joliet extensions enabled on your system07:51
Se7hwhat do i do about this ?07:52
cyphosqt: thanks!07:52
moyogoPhr0stByte: what's transcode?07:53
cyphosbut unforunately, xsp or mod_mono isn't contained in any of the repositories07:53
Phr0stByteutil to encode raw video/audio streams07:53
Phr0stBytemoyogo: util to encode raw video/audio streams07:54
moyogoPhr0stByte: looks interesting... but it doesn't seem to have ubuntu packages07:54
Phr0stBytemoyogo: dosnt look like it07:54
cyphoshow can I install a package without a dependency?07:55
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Phr0stBytemoyogo: Ubunto multimedia is a little lacking still07:55
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dablitzcan someone sugguest a good gui dvd burnning app. I have found a lot on freashmeat, but looking for something working well with ubuntu07:55
cyphosdablitz: totem07:56
cyphosor sorry, you said burning07:56
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plovsPhr0stByte, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions (add marillat's repository)07:56
moyogocyphos: you can try installing by force, dpkg --force-depends07:57
moyogocyphos: or look at dpkg --force-help07:57
Phr0stBytedablitz: whats wrong with Nautilus?07:57
plovscyphos, usually forcing is a good way to hose your system though, so be carefull07:57
dablitznothing, but looking for dvd authoring, from my digital camera07:58
cyphosI want to install gecko-sharp (libgecko-cil) without mozilla, cuz I already have firefox - any ideas?07:58
plovscyphos, sudo apt-get install libgecko-cil07:59
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Phr0stByteplovs: that liks has nothing about transcode08:00
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octalc0deubuntu u_u08:00
octalc0dei can't seem to find the kernel sources on the install disk, am i not looking hard enough08:00
dablitzi was looking at k3d, but requires kde dependencies08:01
neighborleehas anyone else seen ext3 errors ( saying it can't find ext3 partition on a given device) during boot ??08:01
plovsPhr0stByte, add: "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main" to your sources08:01
cyphosplovs: but it depends on mozilla :(08:01
topylidablitz: if you don't want the dependencies, try xcdroast08:01
Phr0stByteneighborlee: in general yes - but not in Ubuntu08:02
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neighborleeoh btw..do NOT update firebird through its own updater..it totally fries itself ;(08:02
neighborleePhr0stByte, odd..well i'm seeing here in ubuntu ..I seem to have the issue with just some installers...shrug08:02
dablitzi will give it  shot thanks08:03
plovscyphos, well, maybe you should install it then08:03
neighborleePhr0stByte, if anything its just taking longer to boot as I get this delay then the error..oddly enough Iknow i'm using reiserfs so I dont get why the system thinks otherwise ;-)08:03
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plovsneighborlee, i've seen the same...08:03
cyphosplovs: but I know that from gentoo, you can use firefox instead of mozilla for the dependency08:03
q2I like how Ubuntu came standard with Firefox08:03
plovscyphos, because in gentoo you build from scratch here you use other people's packages08:04
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octalc0dei like how ubuntu a) doesn't boot up well on a clean install (pauses for 20 minutes on something about SCSI devices) b) DOESN'T HAVE THE KERNEL SOURCES ON THE DISK08:04
Phr0stByteplovs: I have that source - but where are the dependencies?08:04
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neighborleeplovs; hmm ok08:04
Phr0stByteplovs: Like libframe....08:04
cyphosplovs: oh yes, I keep forgetting that I'm using binary packages08:04
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plovsPhr0stByte, in universe08:05
q2heeel ya08:05
q2sup jigga08:05
Se7his umodpack available for ubuntu ?08:05
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Phr0stByteplovs: No - it is not there08:06
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plovsPhr0stByte, i can in stall transcode08:07
plovsPhr0stByte, install08:08
Phr0stByteplovs: It doesnt ask for dependencies?08:08
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plovsPhr0stByte, try apt-get install -s transcode , it will give a list of the dependencies08:09
Phr0stByteplovs: The following packages have unmet dependencies:08:11
Phr0stByte  transcode: Depends: libavifile-0.7c102 (>= 1: but it is not installable08:11
Phr0stByte             Depends: libjasper-1.701-1 (>= 1.701.0) but it is not installable08:11
Phr0stByte             Depends: libquicktime1 (>= 0.9.3) but it is not going to be installed08:11
Phr0stByteE: Broken packages08:11
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plovsPhr0stByte, the same here, sorry, let me see08:13
TheMonoToneatheros wifi cards are supported correct?08:13
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TheMonoToneis there a list for what wifi cards are supported somewhere08:13
Phr0stByteplovs: brb08:13
Phr0stByteoctalc0de: when you release your own distro, you can make sure the huge source package is on the CD08:14
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fred87what's ubuntu's attitude to KDE?08:15
octalc0dephrostbyte: oh no! 25 MEGABYTES08:15
octalc0dewhere OPENOFFICE IS ON THE CD08:15
octalc0deoh no oh no oh no08:15
Phr0stByteoctalc0de: Its a minimalistic install08:15
TheMonoToneor better yet, whats the module for madwifi08:16
Phr0stByteoctalc0de: durring the install, you could have downloaded oo08:16
akraanyone know how to talk fstab into allowing normal users read only access to an ntfs partition?08:16
fred87akra, add umask mount options08:16
fred87akra, umask=02208:17
akrato the fstab options?08:17
akrathanks :)08:17
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fred87no prob08:17
akraI take it that the ntfs driver is still ro ?08:18
fred87unless you use captive-ntfs08:18
fred87the native driver is still ro, apart from rw as long as you don't change the size of the file08:18
fred87captive-ntfs uses wine and LUFS/FUSE to use the native windows NTFS driver in linux08:18
plovsPhr0stByte, you can get libquicktime1 and libjasper from debian08:19
akramight play one day. I only need ro anyway :)08:19
fred87can someone who's not running anything other than gnome tell me how much RAM ubuntu is taking up?08:20
TheMonoToneanyone? about the wireless deal?08:20
fred87i've been poking around a bit and possible interested in maintaining a gamecube port, andgamecube has very limited ram08:20
TheMonoTonefred87: X alone usually takes up a good amount08:21
cyphosis there a place where I can find more debian repositories?08:22
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fred87i'm a slackware user, but afaik the only distro currently working on gamecube is debian, and i'd like a bit more variety :/08:22
q2well im out08:22
q2peace all08:22
vrlncyphos: unofficial ones can be found in apt-get.org08:22
fred87oh btw anyone feel like trying a kde/qt based iptables script generator?08:23
octalc0deok, so where can i get the ubuntu kernel package anyway08:24
Georgeyoyo fred87 08:24
fred87george, that a yep?08:24
Georgefred87: no, that's a "hi" :)08:24
fred87oh hi :)08:24
cyphosvrln: thanx08:25
Kamionoctalc0de: the kernel headers are on the CD08:25
cyphosdoes anyone know where I can get automake1.9?08:25
Kamionoctalc0de: (at least on current daily builds; they weren't in the preview release due to an oversight)08:25
Kamionoctalc0de: we're actually getting kind of close to CD size limits so we have to be careful08:26
octalc0dekamion: oh, okay08:26
fred87does ubuntu actually have a policy towards KDE?08:27
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octalc0dekamion: i should be able to compile linux-wlan with those, right? linux-wlan-ng wants "configured kernel source code" :/08:28
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octalc0deor, where can i find a '.config' to drop into a kernel tree I get off anywhere else?08:29
Phr0stByteplovs: got it08:30
Georgefred87: ask daniels :)08:31
dablitzhere is a dumb question, how do i set the date and time on my system08:31
fred87dablitz, "man date"08:31
Kamionoctalc0de: (a) hmm, linux-wlan-ng seems odd, the config is in /boot but it might take some fiddling08:31
Kamionoctalc0de: (b) I thought we already shipped everything you might need from linux-wlan-ng in our stock kernels?08:31
plovsPhr0stByte, great08:31
neighborleeanyone think I should file bugzilla then on this ext3 at boot issue ?08:32
octalc0decouldn't modprobe prism2_usb, but I installed linux-restricted-modules and it seems to work now08:32
akradablitz: computer -> System Configuration -> Time and Date08:32
neighborleei'm just a bit concerned why it think i've got ext3 when its clear fstat is only showing reiser ;-)08:32
octalc0deI still don't have the configuration tools, though :/08:32
neighborleefstab LOL08:32
octalc0de"/etc/init.d/wlan" "/usr/bin/wlanctl-ng" and the like08:32
octalc0deI can probably compile those without a kernel tree though.08:32
Phr0stByteI wish this Wacon drawing tablet would magicaly start working....08:33
Kamionoctalc0de: you may also be able to find them in universe08:33
octalc0dekamion: universe?08:33
Kamionprism2_usb isn't in restricted, so the above is odd ...08:33
Kamionoctalc0de: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components08:33
fred87hmm i really like the palmOS program that makes your computer think your palm touch screen is a wacom tablet08:33
neighborleePhr0stByte, hmm that I know is supported by linux..assuming the kernel has support for it ;-)08:33
neighborleePhr0stByte, at least 'most' of them anyway08:34
octalc0dekamion: or I could've been a bonehead and forgot to test it before I installed it, heh08:34
TreenaksAre people working on the firefox security upgrade?08:34
Phr0stByteneighborlee: it is not enable by default in 2.608:34
Phr0stByteneighborlee: I have yet to meet someone that has one working08:35
octalc0dekamion: I don't have a network connection yet. The computer that's running ubuntu has no connectivity because it's missing the wlan configuration tools08:35
neighborleeKamion, Any idea about this ext3 boot issue ?..i checked bugzilla and found nothing which is odd and may just be that no one yet has filed one ?08:35
neighborleePhr0stByte, hmm yeah no surpise about kenrel but surprised about it not working for anyone yet....hmm sigh08:35
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neighborleePhr0stByte, hmm faik there is even a option for it in gimp ;-)08:35
Phr0stByteneighborlee: The driver is just atrosious08:36
Phr0stByteneighborlee: yep08:36
neighborleewish I had one i'd test it ;-)argh..and I really need one bad ;-))08:36
neighborleesomeday soon!08:36
Hrdwr_BoBit's also atrocious08:37
octalc0dei'll be around later08:37
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defendguinwhen i boot up my ubuntu box i get 2 error messages both involve module loading.  it tries to load shpchp and pciehp does anyone else have this problem?08:42
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plovsdefendguin, same here08:43
defendguinhas this bug been reported?08:43
Kinnisondefendguin: Yes; they're the hotpluggable-pci drivers; unfortunately it's hard to know if it's safe or not to load them08:43
Kinnisonif you want to get rid of the warnings; create a file in /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d containing the two module names08:44
defendguinare we losing any functionality because they cant load those modules?  and if i did that i wouldnt know when it has been fixed08:45
KinnisonYou're only losing functionality if you believe you have hot-pluggable PCI hardware which isn't being supported08:46
KinnisonAre you working on a high-end server system?08:46
defendguinno on a laptop08:46
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defendguini dont think i have any pci that i can access08:46
KinnisonThen it'll not hurt things to blacklist them08:46
KinnisonI have them blacklisted on my laptop :-)08:47
defendguinso its possible to hot plug somehting like a network card while the machine is running and have it be recognized and work?08:47
defendguinassuming those modules work08:48
KinnisonOn such hardware; I believe so; yes08:48
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lonewolffevening all08:49
TheMonoTonewhere can I find a list of networking cards supported08:50
TheMonoToneand the modules related to those cards08:50
TheMonoTonenamely the wireless kind08:50
lonewolffTheMonoTone: are you looking to get a new card or get one working youa lready have?08:51
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ForsaKEn`hello, im back on ubuntu :), but this time the installation did not find my screen resolution, and put me on 640x480, 60HZ, i got LG FLATRON 795FT Plus08:52
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Hrdwr_BoBwhat video chipset08:53
ForsaKEn`nvidia nforce208:54
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ForsaKEn`and my video card is radeon 9600XT 256MB08:54
TheMonoTonetrying to get one working that I already have08:54
Hrdwr_BoBwhat is the output of sudo xresprobe ati08:54
TheMonoToneI think its based on atheros a/b/g chip08:54
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TheMonoTonelemme check the lspci output08:54
ForsaKEn`sudo: xresprobe: command not found08:55
ForsaKEn`Section "Screen"08:55
ForsaKEn`        Identifier      "Default Screen"        Device          "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon 9600 XT (RV350 AR)"        Monitor         "Generic Monitor"08:55
TheMonoToneAtheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)08:55
TheMonoTonethats the card I have, I do modprobe ath_pci08:56
TheMonoToneand it loads up fine08:56
TheMonoTonebut no /dev/ath0 exists08:56
Kinnison'ifconfig ath0'08:56
Kinnisondoes that show up?08:56
TheMonoToneyeah sure does08:56
defendguinis the madwifi module in the kernel now?08:57
Kinnisonthat's the device then08:57
TheMonoTonelsmod | grep madwifi gets me nothing08:57
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TheMonoToneis it named something different08:58
KinnisonTheMonoTone: You just said it was called 'ath_pci'09:00
TheMonoToneyeah thats the device driver09:00
TheMonoTonehe said is madwifi module loaded09:00
TheMonoTonesweet it works now!09:01
TheMonoToneok, nm09:01
TheMonoTonethanks :-)09:01
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defendguinim trying to find a decently supported linux wireless card thats isnt expensive :(09:02
Kinnisondefendguin: 802.11b or 802.11g ?09:02
fred87at76c503 cards are generally ok09:03
TheMonoTonethis atheros card seems decent09:03
TheMonoToneits built in to the laptop though09:03
TheMonoToneso I can't say much09:03
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KinnisonIt's prism54 based and seems pretty good09:03
topyliwee! i finished supertux. \o/09:03
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defendguinKinnison, i would think g since i want to be able to get access anywhere its available09:04
Kinnisondefendguin: the WG511 is a good choice then09:04
Kinnisondefendguin: I have two and they're excellent09:04
KinnisonNo, not the T variant09:04
defendguini saw a netgear at bestbuy doesnt look liek they have anything that is supported09:05
defendguinthey had the wg511t and ma521 neither looked good09:05
defendguinthey also had a dlink card but i didnt get the number on that one09:06
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defendguinlooks like the dlink only worked with ndis09:10
Se7hcan anyone give me the "options" for the fstab to mount a ntfs partition?09:11
Se7hlosed mine09:11
dablitzthere are 3 dependencies i need to insatll k3b. how would I go about to get these dependencies09:11
dablitzthey do not seem to be part of ubuntu09:11
dablitzThe following packages have unmet dependencies:09:12
dablitz  k3b: Depends: k3blibs (>= 0.11.12) but it is not going to be installed09:12
dablitz       Depends: libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.1.2) but it is not installable09:12
dablitz       Depends: libvorbis0 (>= 1.0rc3-1) but it is not installable09:12
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defendguinapt-get install k3b09:13
Zindardablitz, I just tried it NOW and it works for me09:13
dablitzok thaks09:14
Zindarthe only kde program I actually like09:14
defendguinZindar, i agree 100%09:14
defendguinsomeone should make a GTK port09:14
defendguinor at lest make something with as many nice features and poiibly a better UI09:15
Zindarwell.... nautilus-burner should be ok for most people... right click to burn a image is ok09:15
Zindarburning in rhytmbox would solve my last use for k3b09:15
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defendguinwhat about making DVDs?09:16
defendguinnautilus cant do that09:16
Zindarnever done that :)09:16
joemnautilus can do data dvds09:16
defendguink3b just has too many features09:16
defendguinyeah but i do a lot of video DVDs09:17
RuffianSoldierIs kernal 2.6 eviL????????09:17
Se7hcan anyone give me the "options" for the fstab to mount a ntfs partition? :|09:17
subterrificRuffianSoldier: no09:17
RuffianSoldierI WANT KERNAL 10.809:18
subterrificit's actually a ton better09:18
pr0cSe7h, options to accomplish what?09:18
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dablitzi am still haveing issues with those three dependencies. apt-get install k3b did not owrk for me, advices?09:19
darklingI've just found an "interesting" issue with the partitioning bit of the installer...09:19
pr0cSe7h, here is an example... /dev/hdb1      /mnt/myntfs       ntfs    defaults,user,ro         0      009:20
darklingIf you use LVM, and have an existing LVM set-up,09:20
darklingwhen you select an LV to make it your /usr (say), 09:20
darklingit selects an entirely different LV for you to make your changes to.09:21
subterrificUGH, i've been trying to figure out why my sound was crapping out after i launched a new program....when the hell did ubuntu start enabling esd by default w/ sound events09:21
pr0cSe7h, keep in mind that in 2.6.x kernel you can only read and do limited writing to NTFS, in 2.4.x and older kernels you'll @^#! up your ntfs partition writing to it09:21
subterrificesd is such crap....breaks everything09:21
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Se7hpr0c yeah i know ;)09:21
subterrificthat's probably why i couldn't get flash to play audio earlier and why it was crashing firefox09:21
ionrockdoes anyone else get gzip errors when doing apt-get update from the universe archives?09:22
Se7hYou do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "win1".09:22
ionrockgzip: stdin: not in gzip format09:22
ionrockErr http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Packages09:22
ionrock  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)09:22
ionrockthat is the error I get pretty consistantly09:23
pr0cSe7h, try mounting it as a user?09:23
Se7hno can do09:23
Se7honly root...09:23
pr0cyou mean you don't want that to be available or you didn't set it that way on accident?09:24
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giorsathi everybody. how to enable or disable a service on ubuntu? no graphical tool ?09:25
pr0cin my example, the user has permission to mount the ntfs drive and subsequently read from it09:25
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Se7hseth@devil ~/.loki $ mount -t auto /dev/hda1 /mnt/win109:27
Se7hmount: only root can do that09:27
Se7hguess not09:27
pr0cSe7h, if you add that line to fstab then all you do is type .. mount /mnt/NameYouPicked09:27
pr0cand then upon boot that will automatically happen09:27
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pr0cbtw, when i say that line, i'm referrin to the line i put here not mount -t....09:28
defendguinKinnison, what brands of cards have that chipset?09:29
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mxpxpodwhat happened to the hal device manager icon in the applications and computer menus?09:29
Kinnisondefendguin: Not sure other than the Netgear WG51109:29
subterrificmxpxpod: it became a seperate package09:29
Kinnisondefendguin: check www.prism54.org I guess09:29
mxpxpodsubterrific: aha, ok09:29
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defendguinmxpxpod, like ubuntu?09:30
mxpxpoddefendguin: of course :)09:30
defendguinKinnison, can you snort with these cards?09:33
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Kinnisondefendguin: I once got kismet going with one09:33
Kinnisondefendguin: but I'm far too 'white-hat' to know about that sort of thing09:33
defendguinmy school has a wirless network going in the business building and i dont like their policy of only allowing access to teachers and staff09:34
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ForsaKen`i got the monitor: LG FLATRON 795FT Plus, and the ubuntu did not find it, i tryed to google the right lines that i need to add to the X conf, and i couldnt find it09:36
defendguinhmmm aparently if it works with kismet it will work with airsnort09:36
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jmhodgeshey, i can't seem to figure out how to add http://www.burtonini.com/debian/unstable/ to my repo list through synaptic correctly.  I've done with other repo's but synaptic is tacking on extra bits to the url that breaks it09:39
defendguinKinnison, you have prism2 card?09:39
Kinnisondefendguin: Nup; prism54 and ipw210009:40
defendguinhmmm it recomends prism209:40
defendguinACX100, ADMTek, Atheros, Cisco, Prism2, Orinoco, 09:40
defendguin      WSP100, Drone, wtapfile, pcapfile, wrt54g09:40
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ForsaKen`i got the monitor: LG FLATRON 795FT Plus, and the ubuntu did not find it, i tryed to google the right lines that i need to add to the X conf, and i couldnt find it09:45
defendguinmxpxpod, cubbies gonna get the WC?09:48
mxpxpoddefendguin: sadly, I doubt it :(09:48
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encKeDownloaded this distro couple days ago.......loving it09:48
encKenice work09:49
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longsleepmy kde entries in the gnome menu lack the icons .. is there a way to fix that?09:50
mxpxpodlongsleep: don't use kde ;)09:50
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giorsatplease, anybody can tell me how to configure a netgear ma111 wireless card? it uses prism2usb module the driver belongs to wlan-ng09:51
longsleepmxpxpod, right .. but i need one app09:51
longsleepmxpxpod, but still i wonder why the icons are not shown09:51
burner_giorsat, load the module... run iwconfig09:51
mxpxpodlongsleep: no clue09:51
akracan't seem to find "traceroute"... is not included in a standard install ?09:52
Kosaiakra: It's in /usr/sbin.09:52
Kosai(Which might not be in your path, if your path is broken.)09:52
giorsatiwconfig is not supported by wlan-ng driver all configuration is done under /etc/wlan configuration files...09:52
akranot in my /usr/sbin09:52
burner_akra, there's traceroute609:52
akratraceroute6 fails to resolve the hostname09:53
longsleepbtw .. if you are talking about wlan .. my wlan link quality shows 100% all the time .. does that work for someone else?09:53
burner_akra, i get the same thing :\09:54
akraburner_: *phew* it's not just me!09:54
burner_akra, you could always apt-get install it09:54
burner_it's in universe i assume09:54
KosaiNo, it's in main.09:55
KosaiSorry, akra.  Yes, you need apt-get install traceroute.09:55
akrafound it :)09:55
burner_anyone else have issues with USB drives?09:55
burner_i get no icon my desktop09:55
burner_in fact, i'm not sure how to mount it... trying ot mount /dev/sda1 does nothing09:55
akraobviously no one other than me uses it nowadays :)09:55
giorsathow can I enable or disable startup services on ubuntu? I don't find a graphical tool. please I need to enable wlan service on boot09:56
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longsleepgiorsat, vi /etc/network/interfaces09:57
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burner_awww.. someone's gotta know about usb drives?  anyone?09:58
cyphoswhere can I get ncurses-devel?09:58
burner_cyphos, apt-get install libncurses5-dev09:59
longsleepcyphos, "apt-cache search ncurses" helps a lot09:59
burner_i'm not sure if it's in main.... or universe09:59
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akraburner_: my usb disk automounts fine. sorry09:59
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burner_"apt-cache search ncurses | grep ncurses" works better ;)10:00
burner_akra, what is the device?10:00
burner_and did you have it in when you installed ubuntu initially?10:00
akraburner_: it's a lexar jumpdrive10:00
burner_maybe mine just didn't get picked up since I installed it later10:00
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burner_i have the same thing1!!!!!10:00
fred87burner_, modprobe usb-storage; mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/somewhere10:00
burner_128 meg jumpdrive secure10:00
akrano - I plugged it in after I had got X working :)10:00
akrathis is a 1GB one - doesn't say secure on it10:01
burner_fred87, know how to get it to auto-mount?10:01
smeggyAll you should need to do is plug it in.10:01
burner_mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist10:01
fred87i personally use subfs10:01
fred87(but i'm not an ubuntu user)10:02
fred87or debian for that matter10:02
akraburner_: I take it that your drive doesn't appear in computer->disks either ?10:02
burner_no?  oh well... I appreciate the attempt... that mount /dev/sda1 used to work for me in my straight debian install10:02
burner_but i haven't been able to get it to work in ubuntu10:02
burner_akra, nope10:02
akrawell, it's consistent at least!10:03
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burner_as a side note... i have a fat32 partition mounted to /files and it doesn't show up in computer -> disks either10:03
akrahow odd. my ntfs partition is showing up fine in /c10:03
burner_akra, can you do a "cat /etc/fstab | grep sda1" for me?10:03
akradoesn't exist10:04
burner_my partition works if i browse to /files... it's mounted and all... but doesn't show up under "computer"10:04
burner_how does it work if it's not in fstab?10:04
burner_i'm so lost10:04
akraclosest is: "/dev/sda        /media/usb0     auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0"10:04
smeggyburner_, fstab is only for things that automount, essentially.10:04
burner_and that's where your data is for your drive when you plug it in?10:04
akranope - its in sda110:05
burner_:)  mounting /dev/sda worked!!10:05
akrawell..  /media/sda110:05
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akraburner_: cool10:05
smeggyWell done :)10:05
burner_the whole reason I went to ubuntu was for gnome 2.8's auto picking up adn mounting usb drives though :\10:06
burner_so i guess that's next steap10:06
burner_step even10:06
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burner_akra, i assume you didn't edit your /etc/fstab by hand?10:07
akraonly to add my ntfs line :)10:07
smeggyif sda1 doesn't work/exist, couldn't you just symlink it sda.. hrm10:07
burner_i could10:08
burner_but as long as I can mount /dev/sda, who cares10:08
plovsto have dutch spell-check in gaim, what do I install, aspell?10:08
smeggyBut then maybe gnome would pick it up...10:08
burner_well... i really have no idea how gnome works in terms of it's hal/dbus stuff, but it's worth a shot :)10:08
burner_w00t :)10:09
burner_i mounted /mnt/sda after putting in the fstab line... and i get an icon on the desktop that says 'usb0' now10:09
plovsburner_, sda is the whole device, i made /dev/sda1 with fdisk, then it automounts10:09
smeggySweet :)10:10
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burner_you mean i have to repartition my usb drive?10:10
plovsburner_, yes :(10:10
burner_I partitioned it with windows initially.... :\10:10
burner_maybe that's why10:10
burner_it should still work in windows after doing so right?10:10
plovsburner_, so did I that was not the way to do it10:10
smeggyDepends what FS.10:10
plovsburner_, yes it works ok in windows10:10
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burner_well.. i'll make it fat32 for maximum compatibility10:11
plovsburner_, if you use vfat10:11
burner_of course10:11
burner_hrm... ubuntu doesn't include gparted right?10:11
plovsburner_, no10:12
burner_it should ;)10:12
plovsburner_, in time it will10:13
defendguinanyone here use a lot of refurbised pc parts?10:13
cliffrefurbished ?10:13
burner_i do10:13
defendguinhave any problems?10:14
burner_not really10:14
burner_bad ram one time10:14
burner_but that's it10:14
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burner_plovs: thanks for the help btw10:14
burner_i'm trying a repartition now10:15
plovsburner_, np10:15
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defendguinKinnison, does it take any effort to get the wg511 working in linux or is it recognized right away?10:16
Kinnisondefendguin: the prism54 driver is present; you have to download firmware I think10:17
defendguinKinnison, what firmware?10:18
Kinnisondefendguin: The firmware for the prism54 cards. Check out www.prism54.org it's all on there10:18
defendguinthanks again10:18
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akraIs there any way to get gaim to display all my contacts, including the ones currently offline?10:21
akradoh! found it...10:21
burner_just about to tell you10:21
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