[12:00] <dies_irae> uhci-hcd appears to deal with usb
[12:00] <Qua> that is the USB 1.1 driver for most of Intel boards and otherwise works quite nicely... i suspect buggy hw
[12:00] <dies_irae> Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. Compaq piece of junk. :/
[12:00] <Qua> but lets not guve up and figure out how to disable the beast ... mmt
[12:01] <dies_irae> I was hoping that I could disable it in the bios, but there's no real settings for anything there.
[12:01] <Drew> I have a question, has anyone else had a problem with the installer sitting at 36% under "Installing Ubuntu Base System" while "Installing Core Packages", I have had it sit like that for about 10 minutes before rebooting and trying agin, to no avail...
[12:02] <Qua> ubuntu !?! it is supposed to work according to kernel Docs for my 2.6.8.1
[12:03] <Qua> dies_irae: i am not in ubuntu right now (plain debian), is there some "failsafe" recovery or whatever option in grub?
[12:03] <Qua> like kernel with different parameters.. i would like to know the version you are booting
[12:03] <jmhodges> hm.. does anyone know of a way to add id3 tags to flac files?
[12:03] <Drew> it ran fine in a VMWare virtual machine, but now that I try and install it on a secondary hard drive for dual boot it always hangs up at 36%
[12:04] <dies_irae> Yeah, there is. Let me try that.
[12:04] <Qua> HockeyFan22: error message pleas
[12:04] <HockeyFan22> one sec
[12:04] <plovs> Drew: on another console is it really stuck or is it just slow
[12:05] <HockeyFan22> qua "your installintion cd could not be mounted..."
[12:05] <Qua> Drew: yup another console, "vmstat 1", "ifconfig" twice in a row, packet count changes?
[12:05] <Drew> i'm not using VMware now
[12:06] <Qua> vmstat 1 watches in- and out- going blocks in io/mem/swap subsystems
[12:06] <Drew> i'm trying to install as a full system
[12:06] <Qua> so you can see what is going on
[12:06] <jmhodges> ok better question, i have lame installed, how do i get sound-juicer to support it?
[12:06] <Qua> Drew: alt+f2
[12:06] <jmhodges> s/support/use/
[12:06] <Drew> oh..heh
[12:06] <Drew> i'll have to go try that...
[12:06] <dies_irae> Man, it still gives me the same error. Maybe there's no way around this on this piece of junk.
[12:07] <plovs> dies_irae: boot with nousb?
[12:07] <Qua> dies_irae: nah, don't give up... it ought to be possible to disable it even in ubuntu kernel, otherwise you can compile your own (i do it for instance)
[12:07] <plovs> i need to do that installing a compaq proliant we have
[12:07] <Qua> plovs: thats what i said the first time
[12:08] <dies_irae> Yeah, I tried nousb. Going to add noapci and nodma just to see what happens.
[12:08] <Qua> and pressed b afterwards?
[12:08] <dies_irae> Yup.
[12:08] <dies_irae> Bah, same problem.
[12:08] <Qua> 'cause this ought to work... wierd
[12:08] <plovs> Qua: my log term memory is damaged :) remind me again after a minute or so
[12:08] <Qua> plovs: yea and you won't remember what we talked about ;)
[12:08] <dies_irae> I've ran Mandrake and Knoppix on this comp fine.
[12:09] <Qua> hrmpfh. knoppix is smart
[12:09] <dies_irae> So I'm not certain as to what the problem is. Maybe those had older kernels.
[12:09] <Qua> what knoppix version?
[12:09] <dies_irae> Yeah, I've gotten knoppix to work on practically any machine. It's 3.4, which I don't think is the latest.
[12:09] <aeruder> question: ubuntu... is it something like debian or such where releases are something that can be done through just upgrading packages through some sort of online system ? 
[12:10] <Qua> and what kernel version do you have *now*? i have no idea what's on the ubuntu cd, so please read the grub line for me (hopefully they don't have symlink there, tho it would be smarter so they probably have..)
[12:10] <Qua> aeruder: ubuntu is debian under the hood, indeed
[12:10] <jmhodges> anybody here gotten ubuntu on a TC1000 tablet?
[12:10] <aeruder> Qua: aha!
[12:10] <dies_irae> 2.6.8.1-2-386
[12:10] <Qua> just saner release policies and resonable devels, who make it actually work for normal mortals
[12:11] <Qua> dies_irae: thats the latest
[12:11] <Qua> knoppix 3.4 has 2.6.4 I believe, knoppix 3.6 is the latest, but the kernel config is heavily tweaked and there is lots of clever detection
[12:11] <Qua> sooooo.. we have a BUG ;))))))))))))
[12:12] <HockeyFan22> qua: ahve a solution yet?
[12:12] <dies_irae> ooo
[12:12] <Qua> HockeyFan22: no, cause you supplied no erro messages
[12:13] <riley> I just installed ubuntu, and when I try to log in, it goes to a screen that has an ubuntu picture and stops
[12:13] <riley> anybody know what might be causing this?
[12:13] <HockeyFan22> qua: all it says is "cd cannot be mounted"
[12:13] <Qua> dies_irae: could you try knoppix again and somehow save output of "dmesg", "lspci -vvv" and "lsmod" ?
[12:13] <dies_irae> Sure.
[12:13] <Qua> HockeyFan22: right, sorry
[12:14] <crimsun> riley: you need to apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[12:14] <riley> crimsun: so it comes back to my problem with the nic lol
[12:14] <Qua> HockeyFan22: where does it say that, what is befpre that?
[12:15] <riley> crimsun: I still can't get it to work... when i tried ip -4 addr..., it didn't do anything
[12:15] <HockeyFan22> the loading of the modules right after the choosing of the lanquage
[12:15] <HockeyFan22> after the loading disappears
[12:15] <HockeyFan22> then it hangs for a bit
[12:16] <Qua> ugh, that is strange
[12:16] <Qua> bad cd
[12:16] <Qua> seriously, does it have some self-test (i only installed once, don't remember) ?
[12:16] <HockeyFan22> i dont know
[12:17] <crimsun> riley: what nic do you use?
[12:17] <HockeyFan22> the wierd thing is that this happens on other distros's, but if i load it with nodma and noapic  it works
[12:17] <riley> crimsun: it's attached to my soyo motherboard
[12:17] <Qua> otherwise burn another and make sure that md5sum matches... the isos contain their own md5sum, so reasonably smart burning tool, like k3b, can and does verify correctness on the image before burning (k3b default)
[12:17] <Se7h> hey
[12:17] <Se7h> everyone
[12:17] <Qua> HockeyFan22: ohhhhhh, ok
[12:17] <Se7h> a...
[12:17] <Se7h> forget it
[12:17] <Qua> HockeyFan22: your burner then doesn't like dma!
[12:18] <Qua> HockeyFan22: i have heard about those
[12:18] <crimsun> riley: right, but what chipset is the nic?
[12:18] <HockeyFan22> im not sure if its the burner ot the hardware
[12:18] <riley> crimsun: um, i don't know...  how would i find that out?  is it related to the chipset of the motherboard?
[12:19] <HockeyFan22> the other possibilitu is that the cdrom is a cdrw
[12:19] <Qua> HockeyFan22: well kernel config has option "enable dma only for disks" after you enable dma itself and in help for that it says there were some problems with certain drives
[12:19] <Qua> that doesn't matter
[12:19] <Qua> ok, so what does the install cd let you do? can you enter the kernel options?
[12:19] <crimsun> riley: lspci -v would tell you (don't paste here; use pastebin.com)
[12:19] <HockeyFan22> ya
[12:20] <HockeyFan22> normal boot
[12:20] <riley> crimson: ok just a sec
[12:20] <HockeyFan22> i tried "linux noapic nolapic nodma" and it still didnt work
[12:21] <Qua> uch... where are the developers? ;)
[12:22] <Qua> you wouldn't be very happy if i told you to compile your own kernel, would you? ;) that is not how it is supposed to work anyway.... ubuntu should install smoothly on whatever you throw it on
[12:22] <moyogo> hmmm
[12:22] <neuro_> INSTALL, DAMN YOU!
[12:22] <dies_irae> haha
[12:22] <moyogo> my weather applet crashes when before i can open Preferences
[12:23] <MaNo> e ai como vai
[12:23] <HockeyFan22> qua: how would i do that b4 its installed?
[12:23] <MaNo> alguem fala portogues
[12:23] <Qua> nousb, nodma, nolapic.... all these are supposed to work according to kernel Docs ;/
[12:24] <dies_irae> I know that they were passed to the kernel, but as to whether they took effect or not, I am uncertain.
[12:24] <HockeyFan22> hmm
[12:24] <Qua> HockeyFan22: complicated, forget it. but knoppix works for you, right? well that is originally the same kernel, of ocurse
[12:24] <HockeyFan22> ya
[12:24] <guptan> where can I find the apt repositories for ubuntu.
[12:25] <HockeyFan22> if i enter those two comands
[12:25] <Qua> dies_irae: if you do "nousb" you should definitely see no usb initialization
[12:25] <Qua> dies_irae: unless it is userland which kernel doesn't manage to stop.. i am not sure about this... can you see some "kudzu" before that point?
[12:26] <dies_irae> I don't know what kudzu is :( I'm in knoppix now, going to get the output you asked for.
[12:26] <crimsun> guptan: in the synaptic interface
[12:26] <HockeyFan22> that makes me want to go more
[12:26] <Qua> HockeyFan22: i don't know why it doesn't apply. the right thing to do is to join ubuntu-users mailing list and post it there.... when the developers get up, they will crack it for sure
[12:26] <guptan> crimsun I want to update to new gaim, when I tried apt-get install gaim it gives 0 results
[12:26] <HockeyFan22> k
[12:26] <Qua> dies_irae: right
[12:26] <HockeyFan22> thanx
[12:27] <crimsun> guptan: what new gaim?
[12:27] <crimsun> guptan: 1.0.0 is in ubuntu
[12:28] <guptan> crimsun, I got 0.8 version :(
[12:28] <crimsun> guptan: how did you get the 0.8 version?
[12:28] <crimsun> guptan: perhaps a better question is when did you install ubuntu?
[12:28] <Qua> dies_irae: what i meant is that despite the kernel setting a userspace configuration tool called kudzu could have tried to modprobe the USB module "behind your back".. which is a wild theory as USB is not supposed to work at that point anyway because kernel doesn't allow it at all... but if usbcore is a module as well, things can happen
[12:29] <guptan> i downloaded ubuntu 4.1 preview release 
[12:29] <guptan> today, and I download cd image last night
[12:29] <crimsun> guptan: from which mirror?
[12:29] <Qua> dies_irae: go on with getting that info... if I can't crack it you will still need to post that on mailing list and quite likely a bug report will deveop from that as I suspect something is rotten in the distro
[12:30] <guptan> crimsun, you know one thing, Y this linux doesn't give a choice to set up root password on installation :)
[12:30] <crimsun> guptan: because it uses sudo.
[12:30] <dies_irae> Alrighty. I had to reboot because of something stupid, though. :/ I'll get it to you in a bit.
[12:30] <Qua> guptan: so that you don't overuse root and make your system unstable/unsecure
[12:30] <morteoh> hi, when i insert devices (fw/usb) it turns up on my desktop.. is this the works of GVM? (i was wondering, since the fstab didn't have an entry for the device, and it also creates a /media/<device>-directory)
[12:31] <guptan> ftp://ftp.mirrorservice.org/sites/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[12:31] <morteoh> (i want to recreate this on a standard debian box)
[12:31] <plovs> morteoh, it's hal
[12:31] <topyli> guptan: you never need to be root anyway on any distro
[12:32] <Qua> and it uses sudo for that. and you can re-enable root. but it's quite stupid and if you don't know *how* or precisely *why*, you certainly don't need it. sudo is a wonderful tool that i use most of the time i need root even on plain debian
[12:32] <guptan> crimsun, I'm switching from SuSE & Fedora (never been to a debian yet) how can I use sudo
[12:32] <crimsun> man sudo
[12:32] <morteoh> plovs: only hal? 
[12:32] <crimsun> basically: sudo <whatever command>
[12:32] <plovs> morteoh, hal and friends ;)
[12:32] <Qua> "sudo what-root-only-can-do"
[12:33] <plovs> guptan, and you *own* password
[12:33] <morteoh> plovs: well, i had dbus/udev/GVM/hal on my debian box.. but only entries listed in fstab was mounted
[12:33] <morteoh> and hotplug..
[12:33] <guptan> thanks guys for this info
[12:33] <topyli> guptan: or in gnome, pick whatever you want from the menu, and if it needs a password, it will ask for it.
[12:34] <riley> crimsun: what was that site that you wanted me to use?
[12:34] <guptan> hey I tried this command,  sudo apt-get install gaim but it gives some error, can't lock directory 
[12:35] <plovs> morteoh, well, those are the packages, but if you want technical info ask pitti, he does the packages for hal, i suppose
[12:35] <Qua> because you are already using synaptic?
[12:35] <crimsun> riley: pastebin.com
[12:35] <Qua> guptan: make sure you don't have any other program accessing your apt repository at the same time
[12:35] <Xyverz> I must say... I'm rather impressed with Ubuntu, folks.
[12:35] <cyphos> when I goto network settings, and then under the general tab I click Enable Windows networking and get a dialog "SMB support is not running". What do I need?
[12:35] <Qua> guptan: i suggested synaptic, the graphical package manager
[12:35] <Xyverz> I've *never* used a GNOME desktop that's this bloody snappy.
[12:36] <plovs> cyphos, samba
[12:36] <guptan> Qua, synaptic showing firefox version .9.3, but why?
[12:36] <topyli> bloody snappy, what i always say :)
[12:37] <plovs> guptan, you need to update
[12:37] <Qua> cyphos: because that is the latest in debian unstable, too
[12:37] <Xyverz> my only problem - and I believe it's more a metacity problem - is how can I set it so that ALT+RightClick allows me to resize a window?
[12:37] <Qua> sorry, that was for guptan 
[12:37] <guptan> can somebody give me ftp address to download new ubuntu.
[12:37] <Xyverz> topyli: ;)
[12:37] <plovs> guptan, are you running it now?
[12:38] <Qua> and, no firefox PR1 is not completely stable/bug-free either
[12:38] <dies_irae> Qua: I uploaded the contents to http://www.ame-tsuchi.com/ubuntu/ in three files. I'll be right back, pasta on stove
[12:38] <topyli> Xyverz: computer -> desktop prefs -> keyboard shortcuts
[12:38] <Xyverz> topyli: thx
[12:38] <cyphos> plovs: oh I just assumed that samba was installed by default - I thought it was smb filesystem support not enabled in the kernel. Thanks again!
[12:38] <guptan> plovs yes. but I think mine is a old version.
[12:38] <Qua> dies_irae: DCC SEND some this way ;)
[12:39] <topyli> Xyverz: except i don't think it's there :)
[12:39] <Dashiva> is there a new ubuntu coming out?
[12:39] <plovs> guptan, you don't have to reinstall, just update it with synaptic
[12:39] <crimsun> Dashiva: soon, yes.
[12:39] <Xyverz> topyli: :-p
[12:39] <topyli> Xyverz: its desktop prefs -> windows
[12:39] <micX> Dashiva, every six months apparently...
[12:39] <topyli> and it still won't let you do what you want :(
[12:40] <Xyverz> topyli: hmmm. not there.
[12:40] <Xyverz> I believe it's a metacity limitation.
[12:40] <topyli> yes
[12:40] <Xyverz> bleah.  it's the most useful feature of justabout every WM I've ever used.
[12:40] <plovs> guptan, i have firefox 1.0 preview
[12:41] <guptan> plovs, I got it. I just enabled ubuntu repository in synaptic..i'm downloading new firefox now
[12:41] <plovs> guptan, ok
[12:41] <topyli> Xyverz: perhaps you need to use whatever you like (with gnome). many wm's are compatible
[12:42] <guptan> plovs, one more question: how can I check a deb package version from command line, can u tell me the command
[12:42] <plovs> Xyverz, and many things can only be change in the configuration editor
[12:42] <Xyverz> plovs: yeah, looking there, but not seeing it.
[12:42] <topyli> Xyverz: or learn to left-click :)
[12:42] <Xyverz> topyli: *GASP!* NOOOOO!
[12:42] <plovs> guptan, dpkg -l <package>
[12:43] <riley> crimsun: i pasted it to pastebin
[12:43] <topyli> no. it moves the window. hmm.
[12:43] <topyli> middle resizes :)
[12:44] <guptan> plovs thanks.
[12:44] <crimsun> riley: which motherboard do you have?
[12:44] <Xyverz> hmmmmm
[12:44] <Xyverz> maybe I could use sawfish instead of metacity...
[12:44] <guptan> plovs, I have more questions can I?
[12:44] <topyli> seriously. alt+middle does it
[12:45] <plovs> guptan, sure, if i know it, i'll help
[12:45] <guptan> plovs, when I select text in ubuntu, it comes in some brown highlighting. I want to change that color. Where can I change the color in GNOME.
[12:45] <riley> crimsun: SOYO SY-K8USA DRAGON Ultra BLACK LABEL 
[12:46] <plovs> guptan, change the theme
[12:46] <Qua> dies_irae: back yet?
[12:46] <plovs> guptan, Computer > Desktop Prefereneces > Theme
[12:48] <morteoh> hm, on ubuntu.. there is a nice * Loading something..... [ok]  ... is it possible to get something like this on debian? or is it special to ubuntu?
[12:48] <morteoh> (on boot)
[12:48] <crimsun> riley: interesting, it has a via gigabit chip. let's see....
[12:49] <riley> crimsun: is that good or bad lol
[12:49] <jmhodges> anyone here played with ubuntu on a lappie or tablet?
[12:49] <Xyverz> topyli: oh!
[12:49] <Xyverz> topyli: didn't see that there.
[12:49] <opi> hello there :)
[12:49] <Xyverz> thx
[12:50] <Xyverz> topyli: thx!
[12:50] <topyli> Xyverz: just learned it myself =)
[12:50] <Xyverz> :)
[12:51] <topyli> metacity is SO cool :-D
[12:51] <crimsun> riley: it appears to be the VIA Velocity chipset
[12:51] <crimsun> riley: support for it is in 2.6.9-rc3
[12:52] <dies_irae> Qua: yes
[12:52] <crimsun> and Alan Cox posted a patch several days ago to move its Kconfig into the proper gigabit menu
[12:52] <riley> so where can i get that?
[12:52] <crimsun> in 2.6.9-rc3
[12:52] <riley> ubuntu 2.6.9-rc3?
[12:52] <crimsun> i am not certain that chipset is supported in ubuntu's kernel(s)
[12:52] <dies_irae> jmhodges: I'm currently having trouble putting Ubuntu on an old Compaq laptop.
[12:53] <micX> anyone using ubuntu as server in text mode, without gnome?
[12:53] <jmhodges> dies_irae: bleh
[12:53] <Qua> dies_irae: you have a HW problem with your particular model, see exactly the same problem report here: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2004-July/msg01307.html
[12:53] <hazmat> wow! i just plugged in the ipod (hfs+) on ubuntu (pbook) and it just works :-)
[12:53] <jmhodges> hazmat: damn, that is cool
[12:53] <Qua> dies_irae: what i recommend is to send it to mailing list *and* file it in bugzilla because it has not been reported for ubuntu yet
[12:53] <jmhodges> hazmat: and remember to capitalize your Just Works :-p
[12:53] <George> hazmat: you're on PowerPC?
[12:53] <dies_irae> Alrighty, sounds good.
[12:53] <George> hazmat: which PowerBook?
[12:54] <hazmat> George, yes
[12:54] <dies_irae> Thanks for your help, Qua, I really appreciate your efforts.
[12:54] <George> hazmat: I've got a PowerBook G4 667MHz "Oynx" - any idea how well it'll work? :)
[12:54] <hazmat> George, rev 4, nov 2002 - the last one with all the hardware supported
[12:54] <Qua> dies_irae: it has nothing to do with ubuntu as it has nothing to do with fedora it has been reported for, but it will make people aware of the problem
[12:54] <George> hazmat: ah, the tibook
[12:54] <George> hazmat: airport works I suppose?
[12:54] <Qua> dies_irae: next step it to report it to people who actually can fix it and that is the kernel USB developers
[12:54] <hazmat> George, yup.. did the install wireless, installer detected airport and setup the network 
[12:54] <George> hazmat: ok
[12:55] <George> hazmat: and DRI?
[12:55] <hazmat> yup.. out of the box it just worked
[12:55] <George> nice
[12:55] <hazmat> i did this all manually with gentoo before.. 
[12:55] <George> heh
[12:55] <George> I'm using Gentoo on my PowerBook G4 1.25GHz
[12:55] <George> but I can't be arsed to install it on my 667MHz TiBook
[12:56] <hazmat> yup.. i was staring in the face of three days of compiling to upgrade my system.. and i said screw it... and installed ubuntu.
[12:56] <Qua> dies_irae: in the meantime, if you dare, you can compile your own kernel, fishing out the config from loopback-mounted iso image, so that ubuntu will be happy with it.. and disable all usb altogether
[12:56] <George> hazmat: haha
[12:56] <George> hazmat: what gcc does ubuntu have?
[12:56] <hazmat> George, gcc-3.3 and gcc-3.4 are avail
[12:57] <fnordotronic> anyone know how to get a larger list of packages for synaptic?
[12:57] <George> hazmat: woot
[12:57] <dies_irae> Haha, I don't think I dare to do that. I'm not experienced enough with this kind of thing yet, unfortunately. Thanks, though. I'll submit it.
[12:57] <George> hazmat: and cd/dvd burning worked out of the box?
[12:57] <dredg> 3.3.4-1 is the current version, almost fresh install
[12:57] <hazmat> George, haven't tried that one yet.
[12:57] <micX> fnordotronic, uncomment universe line in sources.list
[12:57] <Qua> dies_irae: actually you can ask the mailing list how comes "nousb" doesn't work ?!? this is the right thing to do... it must be possible to disable it. but USB kernel team could fix it for your model for good, so tell them please
[12:57] <dredg> fnordotronic: unco.. gah, what micX said.
[12:58] <George> hazmat: well, thanks for letting me know :)
[12:58] <Qua> anyways, you know what to do now... i am off. good luck with your notebook.
[12:58] <micX> hazmat, are u running mac-on-linux on there?
[12:58] <atomic0x> Whee.  I just got ubuntu installed!  I love it so far!
[12:59] <fnordotronic> i keep forgetting this thing is based on debian. ok thanks for the answer
[12:59] <riley> crimsun: so basically i need to download the new kernel?
[12:59] <dies_irae> Thanks again, Qua. I'm going to eat. I'll submit it to the mailing list and the bug tracker.
[01:00] <hazmat> micX, no.. i've got a dual boot setup
[01:00] <crimsun> riley: try: modprobe via-velocity
[01:00] <riley> ok
[01:01] <micX> hazmat, k. I was wondering if MOL was a way of having your cake and eating it too. it's tempting.
[01:02] <opi> micX: I've been testing MOL under Debian on PegasosPPC
[01:02] <George> does ubuntu have KDE?
[01:03] <micX> opi, what is PegasosPPC?
[01:03] <crimsun> George: in universe
[01:03] <riley> crimsun: just wondering, if i can't get it to work, would buying a seperate nic solve the problem?
[01:03] <opi> micX: a board made by Genesi
[01:03] <crimsun> George: remember that by default Ubuntu is a GNOME distribution.
[01:03] <George> crimsun: "universe"?
[01:03] <George> crimsun: it is?!
[01:03] <opi> micX: http://pegasosppc.com would explain more that I can ;)
[01:03] <TheCan> finally ubuntu is running!
[01:03] <TheCan> thx to knoppix' xf86config...
[01:03] <crimsun> konqueror: 4:3.2.2-1ubuntu2 0 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages
[01:03] <micX> opi, oh, hardware. with ubuntu?
[01:03] <opi> micX: nope, with Debian
[01:04] <crimsun> George: use Synaptic to uncomment the universe lines
[01:04] <crimsun> George: or edit /etc/apt/sources.list directly
[01:04] <dredg> George: yeah, it has kde, but its not in the default repositories. you have to use the 'universe' repo
[01:04] <opi> micX: Ubuntu dosen't run on Pegasos (yet!);)
[01:04] <George> right
[01:04] <morteoh> hm, the menu on ubuntu, is this new for gnome 2.8 or is it special for ubuntu ?
[01:04] <micX> opi, hows mac performance compared with native?
[01:04] <opi> micX: funny thing is, I can't tell
[01:04] <crimsun> riley: temporarily ,yes
[01:04] <crimsun> riley: did you run that modprobe command i told you?
[01:04] <burriko> the menu is special for ubuntu i think
[01:04] <opi> micX: I saw Mac few years ago 
[01:05] <micX> opi, heh. how does it _seem_ then?
[01:05] <morteoh> ok, the menu is way better than the one in standard gnome :D
[01:05] <opi> micX: usable on G4/1000.
[01:05] <opi> micX: you should try it, it was quite painless with Debian :)
[01:05] <riley> crimsun: i ran the command and then tried to run ifconfig
[01:06] <burriko> is it worth changing my apt sources from warty to hoary?  will it make a big difference?
[01:06] <morteoh> hoary?
[01:06] <micX> opi, don't have anything faster than G4/400 here to play with. That's slow native...
[01:06] <burriko> hoary hedghog
[01:06] <morteoh> new release?
[01:06] <crimsun> riley: after you ran the command, did it just return to command prompt, or did it spit out errors?
[01:06] <opi> micX: so I bet it will be slow emulated too ;/
[01:07] <opi> morteoh: more like Sid in Debian ;)
[01:07] <morteoh> ah
[01:07] <morteoh> :)
[01:07] <morteoh> does it have mono?
[01:07] <opi> mono is somewhere
[01:07] <burriko> but warty is so up-to-date anyway, so is it worth upgrading to hoary?
[01:07] <crimsun> mono is also in universe
[01:07] <crimsun> but it's old
[01:07] <crimsun> (0.96)
[01:07] <opi> I don't have link to apt-get soruce
[01:08] <riley> crimsun: it returned to the command prompt
[01:08] <crimsun> riley: good
[01:08] <morteoh> does hoarty have x.org? :) (guessing not..)
[01:08] <opi> I wish Ubuntu could provide: Mono/Monodevelop, PyGTK+Python & GVIm ;)
[01:08] <crimsun> morteoh: no. X.Org is slated for next release next year.
[01:08] <riley> crimsun: so does that mean i can configure eth0 now?
[01:08] <opi> morteoh: will have in decent future
[01:08] <morteoh> opi: it does have gvim
[01:09] <crimsun> riley: do you have any entry for eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces?
[01:09] <opi> morteoh: im talking about package here ;))
[01:09] <opi> morteoh: install & develop
[01:09] <morteoh> hehe
[01:09] <burriko> btw, i just want to say how happy i am with ubuntu. i've been looking for a distro that works well with my laptop, and ubuntu is the first one to do everything right (plus i'm a big debian fan, so basing it on debian makes it so easy for me to dive right in with it)
[01:09] <opi> yeah, Im Debian user too
[01:09] <morteoh> i still like debian better, but ubuntu could be a hit :)
[01:09] <morteoh> (it kinda already is, i guess)
[01:10] <crimsun> i like 'em both, even converted all the FC2 boxes at work to ubuntu
[01:10] <opi> I'll try to make Ubuntu my gateway
[01:10] <TheCan> is there something like "mirrorselect" in ubuntu? i want to make this sources.list fil,.e
[01:10] <riley> crimson: no, it just has lo
[01:10] <fridge> the channel has grown by 30 users since I joined
[01:10] <opi> everyone's running ubuntu as Desktop, so I'd like to see it from other side ;)
[01:10] <crimsun> riley: edit that file so you have the following lines:
[01:10] <flamesrock> I'm not :)
[01:10] <crimsun> auto eth0
[01:10] <crimsun> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[01:10] <burriko> it's basically debian + increased usability IMO
[01:10] <jmhodges> opi: i wouldn't suggest ubuntu for server work
[01:10] <riley> crimsun: ok i'll try that thinks
[01:10] <jmhodges> not that it couldnt do it
[01:11] <jmhodges> its just too much to remove after it being installed
[01:11] <crimsun> riley: then: sudo ifup eth0
[01:11] <opi> jmhodges: hey, there's a custom option before install
[01:11] <opi> jmhodges: it should bring base system only
[01:11] <jmhodges> opi: true, but what a pain
[01:11] <opi> jmhodges: hmm
[01:11] <opi> jmhodges: how mutch pain?
[01:11] <jmhodges> hey, fiddle with it
[01:11] <opi> jmhodges: pain like, aaaaaaargh im dying
[01:11] <Dashiva> debian had too many bugs for me...ubuntu just works
[01:12] <jmhodges> don't know, but i havent try
[01:12] <jmhodges> hehe
[01:12] <riley> crimsun: so run sude ifup eth0 at the command line?
[01:12] <morteoh> anyone got a working mplayer-source then? 
[01:12] <burriko> hopefully the totem/gstreamer issues will be sorted soon and then i won't have a single problem with ubuntu
[01:12] <riley> or put it in the file?
[01:12] <Dashiva> morteoh, i had to add a repository to get it to work but it works
[01:12] <opi> jmhodges: well since it's nothing important (just my home router) I think I'll try
[01:12] <micX> opi, not cheap are they?
[01:12] <crimsun> riley: you need to place those two lines into /etc/network/interfaces, then run sudo ifup eth0
[01:12] <burriko> morteoh: just compile from the sources at mplayerhq.hu
[01:12] <jmhodges> opi: cool
[01:12] <dredg> morteoh: the sid mplayer src works for me
[01:12] <morteoh> burriko: i have done that
[01:12] <opi> micX: depends :)
[01:12] <dredg> morteoh: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[01:13] <opi> micX: I like Pegasos because of thier other OS
[01:13] <morteoh> dredg: i'm getting connection refused
[01:13] <opi> micX: and I have to say that HW is quite decent, too
[01:13] <micX> opi, MorphOS?
[01:13] <dredg> morteoh: workd for me
[01:13] <dredg> works*
[01:13] <morteoh> :( i'm getting connection refused
[01:14] <opi> micX: yep
[01:14] <jmhodges> does ubuntu have screen rotation support or is that something in XOrg? 
[01:14] <morteoh> dredg: i thought it had something todo with kernel 2.6.8 and tcp_ecn, but you're running ubuntu right?
[01:14] <riley> crimsun: vi won't let me write to the interfaces file, i'm assuming i have to be root, but i don't remember inserting a password for root when i installed... is there a default or did i forget something
[01:14] <dredg> morteoh: i am
[01:15] <morteoh> riley: sudo vi <file>
[01:15] <crimsun> riley: sudo vi /etc/network/interfaces
[01:15] <morteoh> riley: user password
[01:15] <morteoh> dredg: strange, maybe my domain is blocked.. 
[01:15] <tom_> hi all
[01:15] <riley> crimsun & morteoh: ok thanks
[01:15] <crimsun> jmhodges: it has XFree86 4_3 branch + a ton of patches, so yes it supports XRANDR
[01:15] <dredg> morteoh: there are mirrors
[01:16] <tom_> i have one q : can i use apt-get for unbuntu ?
[01:16] <morteoh> tom_: yes
[01:16] <morteoh> :)
[01:16] <opi> you have to
[01:16] <opi> ;)
[01:16] <dredg> tom_: it relies on it :)
[01:16] <micX> opi, PegasosII + G4/1k + MacOSX = ~$750. eMac= $799 and includes screen, disk etc. so it isn't a cheap way of getting a Mac...
[01:16] <tom_> which options are aviable ?
[01:16] <opi> micX: but Mac can't run MorphOS
[01:16] <tom_> all like for debian ?
[01:16] <riley> crimsun: when i typed sudo vi interfaces, it gave me a blank line on which i can type to no response...
[01:16] <opi> micX: also, Macs are made in more quantity
[01:17] <opi> micX: so there's no way to compare 
[01:17] <opi> micX: some people just want to have PPC board, and not Mac :)
[01:17] <crimsun> riley: no, sudo vi /etc/network/interfaces
[01:17] <jmhodges> crimsun: ah, thanks
[01:17] <riley> crimsun: i was already in the /etc/network directory
[01:18] <opi> riley: try sudo bash ;)
[01:18] <crimsun> riley: /etc/network/interfaces?
[01:19] <riley> crimsun: what?
[01:19] <crimsun> riley: that file should exist
[01:19] <riley> crimsun: it does
[01:19] <crimsun> riley: so edit it
[01:20] <riley> crimsun: but when i go into vi with it, it won't let me save, and sudo vi gave me a blank line on the command line that didn
[01:20] <riley> didn't look anything like vi
[01:20] <crimsun> riley: type this exactly: sudo vi /etc/network/interfaces
[01:20] <opi> riley: then nono/pico/whatever it
[01:21] <opi> s/nono/nano ;)
[01:23] <micX> opi, got it. Maybe the volume will grow too, so the difference won't be so much.
[01:23] <tom_> how can i start bittorrent ? i cant find some gui
[01:24] <theantix> tom_, copy the name of the library the error message reports, and install it using apt-get or synaptic
[01:24] <morteoh> tom_: apt-get install bittorrent
[01:24] <opi> micX: that's what we thinking :)
[01:24] <morteoh> tom_: and use btlaunchcurses .. :) (curses)
[01:24] <morteoh> (ncurses :-)
[01:24] <opi> micX: so getting Ubuntu is another step to achive it :)
[01:25] <tom_> win-get update && win get upgrade
[01:25] <tom_> ahh
[01:25] <tom_> bad clipboard
[01:25] <riley> crimsun: it's not working, it just gives me a blank line that i can't do anything with
[01:25] <riley> and it's not vi, i know what vi looks like
[01:25] <micX> opi, how come ubuntu doesn't work when debian does on those boards?
[01:26] <crimsun> riley: then use another editor, like opi suggested
[01:26] <opi> micX: can't tell, haven't try it yet
[01:26] <opi> micX: I should prepare kernel for it ;)
[01:26] <crimsun> riley: for instance, sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
[01:27] <morteoh> ubuntu doesn't have mc :(
[01:27] <riley> crimsun: ok, what does sudo do?
[01:27] <opi> morteoh: get sources from debian
[01:27] <opi> riley: super user do
[01:27] <crimsun> riley: you run commands as another user. by default, as root.
[01:28] <opi> riley: it runs command with root rights
[01:28] <riley> ok
[01:28] <tom_> ahh ... i need wxPython, because wxpython.lib doesnt work
[01:28] <opi> should I a) go to sleep b) get another mug of coffee? :P
[01:30] <ewoudj> I do not have a /dev/dsp... can somebody help me create one?
[01:31] <crimsun> make sure udev is running, then modprobe snd-pcm-oss
[01:31] <opi> ewoudj: is your card working?
[01:31] <crimsun> err, sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss
[01:31] <opi> crimsun: udev/devfs should manage /dev for you
[01:31] <ewoudj> It worked with other distro's
[01:32] <crimsun> opi: there's a chance that udev crashed
[01:32] <ewoudj> I'm running on a Dell Latitude and that seems to cumbersome in conjunction with alsa
[01:32] <crimsun> ewoudj: which chipset, snd-intel8x0m?
[01:33] <opi> crimsun: oh, never failed for me, is there a specific problem with udev in Ubuntu?
[01:33] <crimsun> sorry, that's incorrect, it should be an intel 8x0 chipset, perhaps with a modem.
[01:33] <crimsun> or an ati igp
[01:33] <crimsun> too many laptops :)
[01:33] <riley> I ran sudo pico /etc/network/interfaces and it did the same thing vi did, which is to give me a blank line right under the command and on which i can do nothing, not even halt
[01:34] <opi> riley: ok, try suda cat /etc/network/interfaces
[01:34] <opi> sudo
[01:34] <opi> hey..
[01:34] <opi> hmm
[01:34] <opi> badly defined terminal?
[01:34] <riley> well i have to restart my system to do it
[01:34] <opi> try export TERM=vt100
[01:34] <ewoudj> it's a C640 with the i810_audio thingy
[01:35] <riley> me try export TERM=vt100?
[01:35] <crimsun> ewoudj: right. first thing you need to do is disable the printer port and the modem in the bios.
[01:35] <ewoudj> ok I will (have experience with the specific hardware?)
[01:36] <crimsun> ewoudj: several dell laptops.
[01:36] <opi> riley: because you say that everything is ,,broken'' on terminal
[01:36] <opi> riley: it's possible that terminal definition is bad
[01:36] <riley> opi: yeah, mostly everything, but i can get into vi, just not with sudo
[01:36] <ewoudj> Crimsun: going to do the bios thing. back in a sec
[01:37] <opi> riley: it's not good idea but do something like this
[01:37] <opi> riley: sudo /bin/bash
[01:37] <opi> riley: you should get bash with root rigths
[01:37] <riley> opi: ok, i'll try
[01:38] <opi> riley: see whats TERM says 
[01:38] <opi> riley: echo $TERM
[01:38] <opi> riley: try to change it to something safe
[01:38] <opi> riley: export TERM=vt100
[01:39] <opi> then try nano /etc/network/interfaces
[01:39] <riley> well sudo /bin/bash brought me back to the line where i can't do anything
[01:40] <riley> and i tried export TERM=vt100 and it didn't seem to do anything
[01:40] <opi> type who am i
[01:40] <riley> opi: oh sorry
[01:40] <opi> oh, you can't see anything?
[01:40] <opi> this is pretty strange :o
[01:40] <riley> opi: nope
[01:41] <morteoh> riley: you don't even get a commandline?
[01:41] <riley> opi: i think i've got a messed up comp... i've tried installing 3 distros on it, ubuntu twice, and none of them have worked
[01:41] <riley> morteoh: no, it just goes to a blankline when i run sudo /bin/bash
[01:42] <morteoh> riley: how 'bout sudo -s ?
[01:43] <micX> is riley in gnome or a VT? maybe we should switch him to the console...
[01:44] <morteoh> i'm guessing gnome-terminal
[01:44] <crimsun> have him run dmesg
[01:44] <crimsun> make sure his kernel didn't oops
[01:45] <ewoudj> crimsun: your tip (diable stuff in bios) worked. Thnx you very, very much!!!!
[01:45] <crimsun> ewoudj: aye. chalk up another one to the irq7 problem.
[01:47] <riley> micX: i'm running the failsafe terminal on the login screen
[01:48] <riley> but i've gotta go for now
[01:50] <opi> is XFce4 avalible in Ubuntu?
[01:50] <opi> I dislike Gnome, but XFce makes fine GTK env.
[01:50] <dredg> opi: yes
[01:50] <dredg> im using it
[01:50] <opi> good, good
[01:51] <opi> what about MTA?
[01:51] <opi> is Exim a default one?
[01:51] <dredg> postfix
[01:51] <opi> d'oh :D
[01:51] <opi> I didn't get a grip with Postfix
[01:51] <dredg> exim is there
[01:51] <dredg> theres no problem installing it
[01:51] <opi> so I just replace it ;>
[01:52] <dredg> usually, my debian boxes have exim pulled out and postfix plugged in :)
[01:52] <dredg> im sure it works the other way too :)
[01:52] <opi> I bet :)
[01:55] <aes> I rip out exim and replace it with postfix too
[01:55] <tom_> i cannt find some java for ubuntu .....
[01:56] <opi> tom_: you can grab binary package from Sun
[01:56] <tom_> ok,thx
[01:56] <opi> aes: so dose system admin at work
[01:56] <aes> yeah
[01:56] <cyphos> I just tried doing a cvs checkout and got the following error:
[01:56] <cyphos> can't create temporary directory /tmp/cvs-serv17483
[01:56] <cyphos> No space left on device
[01:56] <aes> whatever works for an individual person
[01:56] <cyphos> and I have 29GB free
[01:56] <dredg> tom_: deb http://jopa.studentenweb.org/debian ./
[01:57] <aes> cyphos: sounds like the actual *server* is out of disk spce
[01:57] <aes> *space
[01:57] <dredg> tom_: add that, apt-get update, and then apt-get install j2re1.4
[01:59] <tom_> i dl newest 1.5 now ;)
[02:00] <cyphos> aes: well isn't that a shit in da pants
[02:07] <dredg> i think it's time for bed
[02:07] <dredg> night all
[02:13] <jack__> z
[02:13] <opi> I should get some Zzz, but Im reading Python docs ;)
[02:15] <LinuxJones> mmmm Python 
[02:15] <defendguin> how easy is it to make a deb from a tar package?
[02:16] <opi> defendguin: with source or binary?
[02:16] <LinuxJones> I need a good Python book
[02:16] <opi> LinuxJones: there's tons of stuff online
[02:16] <LinuxJones> opi, I like reading from books it's easier on my eyes because my monitor totally blows :P
[02:16] <opi> LinuxJones: I've started today, as a break from a project, and I think I'll stick with Python
[02:17] <opi> LinuxJones: my problem too
[02:17] <defendguin> opi, is a source package
[02:17] <opi> LinuxJones: I'll just print some PDF's at office ;p
[02:17] <LinuxJones> opi, heh
[02:17] <lyp|bed> where can i find the sources for the default installed kernel?
[02:17] <opi> defendguin: there's a fine documentation on that at http://debian.org
[02:18] <opi> lypie: try apt-cache search kernel source
[02:18] <lypie> only get 2.6.7
[02:18] <lypie> not 2.6.8-1
[02:19] <LinuxJones> lypie, I think that they just patch to version 2.6.8-1.
[02:19] <LinuxJones> lypie, but I could be wrong
[02:20] <lypie> ah. i see the patch :)
[02:20] <defendguin> opi, thanks
[02:20] <TheCan> dpkg is really overkill for kernel sources, sorry
[02:20] <lypie> oh
[02:20] <TheCan> why not just untar the kernel-source itself and build with make-kpkg?
[02:20] <lypie> TheCan: sssh
[02:20] <lypie> TheCan: ndiswrapper
[02:21] <opi> I prefer to build kernel without Debian tools
[02:21] <lypie> i don't :)
[02:21] <lypie> mine works
[02:21] <lypie> just want to build a module
[02:21] <opi> just because there's lots of Linux distros
[02:21] <lypie> used to use gen2
[02:21] <opi> and I don't want to blank and stare, when I will have to work on, ie. Slackware ;)
[02:21] <lypie> if i wanted to go ack to building my own kernels
[02:22] <lypie> may as well go back to building all :)
[02:22] <opi> lucky you :P
[02:22] <lypie> :P
[02:23] <lypie> linux-source-2.6.8.1
[02:23] <lypie> found it :)
[02:24] <lypie> thx all opi  / LinuxJones 
[02:24] <lypie> s/all//
[02:24] <LinuxJones> np
[02:25] <opi> ok, Im going to get some rest
[02:27] <toyowheelin> hello all
[02:27] <toyowheelin> whats up
[02:27] <elmaya> nutin
[02:27] <toyowheelin> humm
[02:27] <toyowheelin> '
[02:28] <LinuxJones> later !!hi toyowheelin
[02:29] <toyowheelin> hello
[02:30] <defendguin> opi do you know where there is a readers digest version of making a deb package?
[02:34] <defendguin> maybe just a quick example of someone making a deb
[02:37] <joem> defendguin, read the full guide
[02:37] <joem> or browse it at least
[02:37] <joem> http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[02:41] <defendguin> uggg
[02:45] <micX> what package do I need for flash animations in firefox?
[02:46] <micX> I've loaded swf-player, but it isn't helping.
[02:46] <defendguin> what package is dh_make in??
[02:47] <opi> dpks -S dh_make
[02:48] <toyowheelin> anyone know of a good app to monitor temps?
[02:49] <defendguin> dpkg?
[02:49] <toyowheelin> ???
[02:49] <opi> toyowheelin: monitor temps?
[02:49] <opi> what do you mean by that?
[02:50] <toyowheelin> like processor temature and case temp and stuff
[02:50] <LinuxJones> micX, mozilla prompted me and asked if I would like to download the helper app I said yes and that was it
[02:50] <toyowheelin> *tempature
[02:50] <micX> LinuxJones, oh. ok :)
[02:50] <defendguin> accrding to this debian documentation im supposed to have an app called dh_make but all i seem to be able to get is this dh_makeshlibs is this right?
[02:50] <defendguin> according
[02:54] <defendguin> no one knows?
[02:58] <toyowheelin> ok nevermind it dont matter anyway because lm-sensors dont seem to see my sensors
[03:02] <rjarrett> was hapinin!
[03:02] <toyowheelin> not a whole lot
[03:02] <LinuxJones> rjarrett, not much :P
[03:03] <toyowheelin> figuring out why sensors-detect wont find my sensors
[03:04] <riley_> crimsun: you there?
[03:04] <rjarrett> just installed ubuntu, checking things out
[03:04] <LinuxJones> rjarrett, it's very nice even for a pre-realease
[03:05] <rjarrett> runs great on my p11 266
[03:05] <LinuxJones> rjarrett, no way
[03:05] <rjarrett> yes way
[03:05] <riley_> lol nice rjarret
[03:05] <toyowheelin> hahahaha
[03:06] <LinuxJones> I might install it on my nephew's computer tomorrow for him, how much ram do you have ?
[03:06] <rjarrett> 256 megs
[03:06] <bolivar> how advisable is it to install updates through the firefox manager vs through apt?
[03:07] <LinuxJones> he only has a 500 mhz processor and like 64 megs of ram.
[03:07] <rjarrett> it's worth a shot
[03:07] <rjarrett> better than windoze!
[03:08] <Hrdwr_BoB> 64mb of ram is walking a fine line
[03:08] <riley_> yeah i think i'm going to install on my old 650 MHz 160 MB ram
[03:08] <Hrdwr_BoB> though I have a 700mhz duron with 128 mb ram here and it runs ok
[03:08] <jl> use icewm with 64MB ram
[03:08] <riley_> after i get it to work on my new amd64 which won't seem to work
[03:08] <rjarrett> I had SuSe on here before ubuntu runs better
[03:08] <LinuxJones> ya, I might steal some ram out of my old comp 
[03:09] <rjarrett> of course I am running Gentoo on my main system
[03:09] <LinuxJones> rjarrett, I don't know what it is but Debian based distros seem more responsive on a the desktop for some reason, for me anyways
[03:10] <rjarrett> I have noticed that on this old system
[03:10] <rjarrett> Gentoo runs great on my other box but it is a P4 2.4 512 megs
[03:11] <rjarrett> ubuntu was a lot easier to install
[03:11] <LinuxJones> rjarrett,  Gentoo is great in principal but it takes too much time to maintain a desktop system as far as I am concerned.
[03:12] <Hrdwr_BoB> I have two debian systems here, and one ubuntu
[03:12] <Hrdwr_BoB> if I need to reinstall either of them; it'll be with ubuntu
[03:12] <rjarrett> You are right I am always updating my system and working with config files
[03:12] <Hrdwr_BoB> I spent quite a few hours configuring my fiance's machine with gnome and all sorts of shiny crap
[03:13] <Hrdwr_BoB> ... that is there 'out of the box' with ubuntu
[03:13] <LinuxJones> Hrdwr_BoB, cool
[03:14] <riley_> So, do any of you know how I would go about fixing a broken terminal?
[03:15] <defendguin> hmmm this might be easier than i thought
[03:15] <Hrdwr_BoB> riley_: how so broken?
[03:17] <riley_> Hrdwr_BoB: when i type certain commands, like sudo, it goes to a blank line on which i can't do anything
[03:18] <defendguin> hmmmm i need gnome-icon-theme 2.9.0
[03:18] <LinuxJones> riley_, have you updated your system ?
[03:18] <joem> epittance?
[03:19] <defendguin> joem, yup
[03:19] <defendguin> trying to build a deb
[03:19] <joem> nice
[03:19] <riley_> LinuxJones, I can't, because my nic doesn't work and to get it to work i need root access and to get root access i need to use sudo which i can't use because of the broken terminal...
[03:20] <Hrdwr_BoB> oh irony
[03:20] <riley_> yep...
[03:20] <Hrdwr_BoB> so when you type sudo -s 
[03:20] <Hrdwr_BoB> what happens
[03:20] <defendguin> joem, would you like to try epittance?
[03:21] <riley_> it goes to a completely blank line and typing things does nothing
[03:21] <joem> don't see why not
[03:21] <riley_> and i can't even use halt
[03:21] <riley_> so i have to hit the power button and restart
[03:21] <joem> gotta go read that long guide now :(
[03:21] <defendguin> joem, could you build a deb of gnome-icon-theme 2.9.0?
[03:21] <joem> yea, but I wouldn't be able to do it til later
[03:22] <defendguin> darn
[03:22] <defendguin> more work for me
[03:22] <defendguin> lol
[03:22] <LinuxJones> riley_,  do ctfl+alt+F2 login and try from there
[03:23] <riley_> so hit ctrl+alt+f2 at the login screen?
[03:23] <LinuxJones> riley_,  right nw will exit to another virtual terminal
[03:24] <riley_> LinuxJones, nw?
[03:24] <LinuxJones> riley_,  maybe gnome-terminal is just borked
[03:25] <LinuxJones> riley_, sorry just do crtl+alt+f2 
[03:25] <riley_> LinuxJones, ok i'll try it
[03:26] <defendguin> where can i find gnome-icon-theme 2.9.0
[03:27] <rjarrett> LinuxJones_/ maybe you should have told him to hit ctrl+alt+f7 to get back
[03:27] <Safari_Al> defendguin, checked ftp.gnome.org?
[03:28] <rjarrett> He will be lost in terminal land
[03:28] <LinuxJones> rjarrett, he must be on another machine since his network card is down :P
[03:29] <rjarrett> True my bad :(
[03:29] <LinuxJones> I hope anyways :)
[03:29] <LinuxJones> or it's re-boot time for him :D
[03:30] <riley_> LinuxJones, yeah ubuntu's on another comp
[03:30] <riley_> rjarret, thanks for that
[03:30] <LinuxJones> riley_, I am not as dumb as I look :)
[03:30] <defendguin> ugggg no 2.9.0 packages there
[03:31] <Safari_Al> defendguin, then probably cvs
[03:31] <defendguin> :(
[03:31] <riley_> LinuxJones, lol, anyway, i had the same problem with ctrl+alt+f2... sudo -s just gave a blank line...
[03:31] <rjarrett> It took me awhile to figure out ubuntu and getting to root. not used to the root account being disabled
[03:31] <LinuxJones> riley_, yikes
[03:31] <joem> http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/gnome-icon-theme/2.9/
[03:32] <defendguin> oh i was looking in gnome/desktop
[03:32] <LinuxJones> riley_, did you get any errors while installing ?
[03:32] <riley_> so do either of you know how I should go about fixing this?  i've already tried a reinstall of the entire os and that didn't work
[03:32] <riley_> LinuxJones, only network interface not found
[03:33] <riley_> which means that i don't have an up to date version
[03:34] <LinuxJones> riley_, I think your in trouble, without termial access you cannot fix the problem unless you can login with say knoppix and edit some files manually 
[03:35] <LinuxJones> riley_, you know the module that needs to get loaded for your nic ?
[03:35] <riley_> well i have a gentoo livecd, would that do the job?
[03:36] <morteoh> there should be a ubuntu-livecd.. :) (is it comming.. ?) :)
[03:36] <LinuxJones> riley_, yes you have to mount the partition that has /etc directory on it and add the module name for your network card to /etc/modules so that it will load upon re-boot
[03:37] <riley_> LinuxJones, I'm not sure, but the chipset is VIA VT6120 GbE and another guy told me i needed via-v something lol and i tried it and then he told me i'd need to edit /etc/network/interfaces, but you can only do that with sudo
[03:38] <riley_> so mount /dev/hda1, right?
[03:38] <LinuxJones> riley_, to load the module you need to add the correct module name to /etc/modules
[03:38] <LinuxJones> riley_, let me see if i can find the correct module for you..1 sec
[03:39] <riley_> LinuxJones, ok thanks
[03:40] <waigouren> has anyone had success upgrading to a 686 kernel?
[03:43] <toyowheelin> when the offical version of ubuntu comes out will there be a way to just upgrade to that or will it take a reinstall?
[03:44] <wasabi> toyowheelin: i shouldn't speak for them, but I would bet money on it just being an apt-get upgrade
[03:45] <Hrdwr_BoB> toyowheelin: there is a clearly defined upgrade path
[03:46] <waigouren> could anyone possibly shed some light on why USB doesn't work after i upgrade to a 686 kernel?
[03:46] <morteoh> waigouren: misconfigured kernel ?
[03:46] <LinuxJones> riley_, any info I find on that card points to the via-rhine module
[03:47] <waigouren> it's a pre-compiled thing, i dont know i did it through synaptic as per someone's guide
[03:47] <LinuxJones> waigouren, did you include support for your usb devices ?
[03:47] <LinuxJones> oh
[03:47] <waigouren> eh
[03:47] <toyowheelin> ok well thats good I guess
[03:47] <waigouren> mmmm
[03:48] <toyowheelin> not feeling like reinstalling
[03:48] <LinuxJones> waigouren, what is not working your mouse ?
[03:48] <waigouren> mouse and keyboard mate
[03:48] <riley_> LinuxJones, so i just edit /etc/modules?
[03:49] <LinuxJones> riley_, yes jsut add via-rhind and re-boot and see what happens
[03:49] <riley_> ok cool i'll try that
[03:49] <jl> via-rhine
[03:49] <jl> isnt it?
[03:49] <LinuxJones> ya
[03:49] <LinuxJones> that's it :P
[03:49] <waigouren> everything else works fine, boots into gnome and all, but sans usb
[03:50] <defendguin> hmmmm
[03:50] <defendguin> would ubuntu like an epittance package?
[03:50] <LinuxJones> waigouren, do a lsmod | grep usb 
[03:50] <LinuxJones> waigouren, does it output anything ?
[03:51] <waigouren> well im using the stock i386 kernel now
[03:51] <LinuxJones> same machine ?
[03:51] <waigouren> yes
[03:51] <LinuxJones> mmm
[03:51] <waigouren> if i boot into the other kernel i cant use keyboard
[03:52] <LinuxJones> ouch
[03:52] <waigouren> i must be missing a usb package or something
[03:53] <LinuxJones> waigouren, the modules must not be available which is strange to say the least
[03:54] <waigouren> i've searched linux-restricted
[03:54] <waigouren> can't find anything relevant
[03:56] <LinuxJones> waigouren, that is a definate bug you sould file a bug report on that
[03:57] <Phr0stByte> In the "Input Methods" option in Gnome apps, I want to add another language. Does anyone know how to put that in?
[04:00] <hristojr3> anyone willing to help me get a higher screen resolution on my evo laptop?
[04:02] <LinuxJones> hristojr3, I do not have the energy right now, too much vodka :D
[04:02] <Drew> sigh...
[04:02] <hristojr3> :) that's cool.
[04:02] <Drew> i got past 36%...it was a bad hard drive
[04:03] <Drew> but now i either get errors of some sort
[04:03] <clee> so has anybody made packages of the epittance stuff yet?
[04:08] <Phr0stByte> Ubuntu really needs some utilities...
[04:09] <LinuxJones> Phr0stByte, what ones ?
[04:10] <Drew> Ubuntu needs to install on my hard drive like it did when i tested it in VMWare
[04:10] <toyowheelin> anyone here ever heard of an app called rpm2targz?
[04:11] <LinuxJones> nope
[04:11] <Drew> but in a preferrably faster manner
[04:12] <neighborlee> one curious question regarding utilities...Ithought : applications:/// was suppose to work to edit ones menus ?...i'm unable atm to items to menu this way..is it broken atm?
[04:12] <neighborlee> toyowheelin, yes
[04:13] <dolson> neighborlee: yo yo yo
[04:13] <neighborlee> heh is that you ;))))...long time no chat heh
[04:13] <neighborlee> dolson, awaiting nwn2 ?<G>
[04:14] <dolson> neighborlee: it's me :) help you my 'boy Phr0stByte with his Input Methods issue if you know how plz :)
[04:14] <dolson> neighborlee: if nwn2 runs on Linux, sure, if not, here's hoping it's out for Xbox or Cube
[04:14] <neighborlee> heh
[04:14] <dolson> that should say "help out" not "help you"
[04:15] <dolson> neighborlee: so you're on Ubuntu now, or just chillin in here?
[04:15] <neighborlee> hmm I didnt see his question sorry
[04:15] <neighborlee> input method ?
[04:15] <neighborlee> nm reading
[04:16] <riley_> LinuxJones, now my gentoo LiveCD isn't working anymore... i think i've got a bad motherboard or something, because all 3 distros i've tried haven't worked...
[04:16] <burner> hey neighborlee... this mean you've dropped using morphix?
[04:16] <neighborlee> dolson, im here for good yup
[04:17] <neighborlee> dolson, found my perfect distro ;-0...debian apt ( not a mix either) and gnome is utopia heh
[04:17] <dolson> neighborlee: cool. I'm still on Debian, I just recommend this distro to people
[04:17] <LinuxJones> riley_, argh that sucks
[04:17] <neighborlee> dolson,ah ic..yeah its a slick newbie distro as many things work nice out of the box and the installer is 'decent' I think with a gui one on the way ..
[04:18] <neighborlee> burner, long time ago
[04:18] <dolson> no need for gui, unless they keep the text option too, I like it
[04:18] <dolson> anyhow, I'm done work, so time to jet
[04:18] <riley_> LinuxJones, yeah, i seriously don't know what to do about it, i've got a brand new built computer with a mobo i can't exchange that doesn't work
[04:18] <neighborlee> burner, I had various problems that I just didnt have time to mess fixing but dont ask me what as I dont remember now LOL..partly I think it was being a mix of the varoius branches and it caused problmes..rough guess though
[04:18] <LinuxJones> there will be a text option for the installer but it will be gui based in the near future
[04:19] <neighborlee> dolson, okie..nice seeing ya
[04:19] <Phr0stByte> LinuxJone: Sorry - I was Googling. Japanese and Korean
[04:19] <burner> so your ubuntu runs well neighborlee?
[04:19] <LinuxJones> riley_,  were you messing around with settings in the system bios ?
[04:19] <Phr0stByte> LinuxJones: Sorry - I was Googling. Japanese and Korean
[04:19] <LinuxJones> Phr0stByte, heh
[04:19] <neighborlee> Phr0stByte, what are you trying to do...and where are you seeing this 'input methods' again ???
[04:19] <riley_> LinuxJones, yeah, I switched apic on and off and messed with a few other things to no success
[04:20] <neighborlee> burner, so far stable..no problems at all save firefox :(
[04:20] <LinuxJones> riley_,  reset to your bios defaults only turn off plug and play 
[04:20] <neighborlee> burner, but its not ubuntu's fault..its firefox utility that updates itself somehow borked and Ican't run it anymore
[04:20] <riley_> LinuxJones, ok, i'll try that
[04:21] <Phr0stByte> neighborlee: open up gedit, right-click on the text area. Choose "Input Methods" on the drop down menu.
[04:21] <neighborlee> burner, if gives me a weird tiny'ish window...I even uninstalled/reinstalled and still problems
[04:21] <burner> firefox?
[04:21] <burner> odd
[04:22] <neighborlee> Phr0stByte, oh ic now..hmm no i'm afraid i've never had to do such a thing and I dont know what package it would be :(
[04:22] <Phr0stByte> neighborlee: Most Gnome apps have this option
[04:23] <neighborlee> ic
[04:23] <neighborlee> burner, yup firefox
[04:24] <Phr0stByte> neighborlee: I believe if I add the locales to Ubuntu, they would get in the menu, but dont know how.
[04:24] <Phr0stByte> neighborlee: Ubuntu only gives you the choice of your default local
[04:24] <neighborlee> burner, i tried to update to newer version via its built in updater..and it totally borked it and any version i've tried to use.....I just get this weird small window with this inside:: title="&mainWindow.title;"-----------------^
[04:24] <neighborlee> Phr0stByte, i've got default local and about ten others
[04:25] <Phr0stByte> neighborlee: Me too - but not the ones I need
[04:25] <neighborlee> Phr0stByte, yeah
[04:25] <neighborlee> Phr0stByte, might try searching for 'language' in synaptic
[04:26] <riley_> LinuxJones, I reset defaults, same errors
[04:26] <defendguin> what the hell is libnautilus-extensions
[04:27] <LinuxJones> riley_,  how new is your motherboard ?
[04:27] <riley_> LinuxJones, about a month and a half old
[04:27] <neighborlee> Phr0stByte, or maybe 'localeconf' ..
[04:27] <LinuxJones> riley_,  and you can't take it back ?
[04:28] <riley_> LinuxJones, no, i looked it up on newegg (where i bought it), and it says exchange for same item only
[04:28] <hello> Has anybody gotten a wacom tablet to work with Ubuntu?
[04:28] <LinuxJones> riley_,  but it was working at some point ?
[04:29] <riley_> LinuxJones, no, i have yet to get any distro up and running
[04:29] <LinuxJones> hello, >> http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/index.php/howto/debwacom
[04:30] <LinuxJones> riley_,  do you know if the mobo is brand new model or an older model ?
[04:30] <akabigbro> Has anyone had problems setting up a CD-Writer in Ubuntu? There are no proper scsi devices set up in the /dev dir.
[04:30] <riley_> LinuxJones, I think it was a mistake to go amd64 in the first place, i never had this much problem with a distro on my 32 bit system
[04:31] <riley_> LinuxJones, I think newer... it has amd64 support so it must be fairly new
[04:31] <Hrdwr_BoB> akabigbro: insmod sg
[04:32] <akabigbro> Hrdwr_BoB: I have that module inserted
[04:32] <LinuxJones> riley_,  hold tight, amd64 support is alot slower give it a few weeks. What does google say about your mobo and linux ? 
[04:32] <akabigbro> Hrdwr_BoB: woops, I guess I didn't...Thanks.
[04:33] <Hrdwr_BoB> np :)
[04:35] <kremlyn> Has anyone here ever mounted a FAT formatted drive under Linux?
[04:35] <kremlyn> I'm just wondering, what appears for user/group ownership?
[04:35] <kremlyn> (considering FAT has no concept of the two)
[04:35] <LinuxJones> heh
[04:37] <riley_> LinuxJones, google doesn't have much to say except buy this motherboard, we swear it works on linux
[04:40] <LinuxJones> riley_, read the discalimer in small print on bottom of page :D, maybe it is just defective send it back and get another what have you got to loose.
[04:40] <akabigbro> I am also having problems running the gnome-system tools like the user-admin and network-admin...I put the root password in and the program comes back with an error.
[04:41] <LinuxJones> akabigbro, use your password for the account your logged into
[04:41] <riley_> LinuxJones, yeah, i guess it's worth a try
[04:41] <LinuxJones> riley_, ya 
[04:41] <akabigbro> LinuxJones: my user account?
[04:41] <LinuxJones> yes
[04:42] <akabigbro> LinuxJones: thanks again...
[04:42] <LinuxJones> akabigbro, I got caught on that too ... Used to su not sudo :)
[04:42] <akabigbro> I didn't know that I had admin permissions
[04:43] <burner> kremlyn: it has the permissions of the user that mounted it
[04:43] <akabigbro> oh, it uses sudo
[04:43] <burner> kremlyn: usually you mount it as root... less you've edited /etc/fstab
[04:43] <akabigbro> duh...
[04:43] <burner> kremlyn: man mount
[04:43] <LinuxJones> heh
[04:43] <riley_> LinuxJones, thanks for your help though
[04:43] <LinuxJones> riley_,  no problem GL
[04:44] <kremlyn> burner: Okies, thanks :-)
[04:44] <burner> you're welcome
[04:46] <defendguin> would anyone like to try epittance?
[04:48] <akabigbro> defendguin: what is that?
[04:48] <defendguin> akabigbro, look at planet gnome
[04:48] <akabigbro> k
[05:00] <DaNeon> hi
[05:00] <DaNeon> i've a doubt
[05:00] <DaNeon> i recently installed ubuntu...
[05:01] <DaNeon> what do i have to do to run azureus on my box?
[05:03] <mdz> azureus requires a Java runtime
[05:03] <DaNeon> yep
[05:03] <dutch> hello
[05:03] <DaNeon> i've downloaded the .bin from sun's site
[05:03] <dutch> just booted Ubuntu an hour ago..
[05:03] <DaNeon> i tried the ./jre* but i doesn't let me run it
[05:04] <DaNeon> or can i simply install with synaptic "GNU Classpath modified to work with SableVM JVM"
[05:05] <DaNeon> mdz?
[05:05] <mdz> I'm sorry, I can't walk you through it right now
[05:06] <_brandx_> DaNeon: try chmod u+x file.bin , then sudo ./file.bin
[05:06] <DaNeon> no prob
[05:06] <DaNeon> thx
[05:07] <DaNeon> it worked!
[05:07] <DaNeon> thx
[05:07] <_brandx_> np
[05:10] <DaNeon> i think i installed in the wrong place
[05:11] <DaNeon> Java exec not found in PATH, starting auto-search...
[05:11] <DaNeon> ls: /usr/java: No such file or directory
[05:11] <DaNeon> OOPS, unable to locate java exec in  /usr/java/  hierarchy
[05:11] <DaNeon> sorry
[05:11] <DaNeon> no flood 
[05:12] <LinuxJones> DaNeon, locate java
[05:13] <DaNeon> in the azureus settings ?
[05:13] <LinuxJones> DaNeon, no jsut type locate java in console
[05:19] <DaNeon> ok
[05:20] <DaNeon> warning: locate: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[05:20] <tseng> DaNeon: run updatedb
[05:20] <DaNeon> k
[05:20] <tseng> it will take awhile
[05:20] <LinuxJones> DaNeon, updatedb
[05:23] <DaNeon> can i move it from /home/neon/j2re1.4.2_05/bin to /usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2/bin/ ????
[05:28] <DaNeon> any program like grip?
[05:28] <DaNeon> to rip my cds
[05:28] <defendguin> DaNeon, sound juicer
[05:30] <DaNeon> via synaptic?
[05:30] <defendguin> sure
[05:30] <DaNeon> its already installed
[05:31] <DaNeon> thx 
[05:31] <defendguin> yeah i figured it was
[05:33] <DaNeon> where is the mp3 encoder for sound juicer?
[05:34] <defendguin> gstreamer 
[05:34] <DaNeon> ok thx
[05:34] <defendguin> get its mp3 component
[05:36] <defendguin> you should rip to ogg anyway
[05:37] <tseng> unless you have an ipod..
[05:40] <LinuxJones> Apple doesn't support .ogg ?
[05:40] <tseng> no
[05:40] <LinuxJones> That is weak
[05:42] <DaNeon> i have a mp3 player
[05:42] <DaNeon> i need to rip to mp3 :S
[05:43] <defendguin> damn epittence doesnt work
[05:43] <defendguin> the eppitence server crashes
[05:44] <defendguin> spittence
[05:44] <defendguin> epittence
[05:44] <mr_hat> aaag... powerpc iso is no good
[05:44] <DaNeon> how can i enable the mp3 option in sound juicer?
[05:44] <goatboy> DaNeon: you need gstreamer-lame.
[05:44] <mr_hat> cant be burned on a powermac
[05:44] <mr_hat> aaag
[05:45] <DaNeon> ah ok.. 
[05:45] <LinuxJones> DaNeon, doesn't grip do that for you ?
[05:45] <tseng> where is gstreamer-lame btw
[05:45] <tseng> its not in marrillat
[05:45] <DaNeon> i try to find grip in synaptic
[05:46] <mr_hat> anyone know what i can do?
[05:46] <DaNeon> but it isn't there
[05:46] <LinuxJones> DaNeon, you ned to add the universe repository
[05:46] <LinuxJones> er need
[05:48] <goatboy> tseng: I've never seen a package of it.
[05:48] <goatboy> but I've never looked too hard.
[05:48] <mr_hat> disk utility just crashes on my g5 but only on powerpc iso of warty
[05:50] <DaNeon> what is the url of the universal repository?
[05:51] <elmaya> hehe
[05:51] <elmaya> descomenta wey del sources
[05:51] <LinuxJones> add >> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ main restricted universe  to /etc/apt/sources.list 
[05:51] <LinuxJones> or you can use synaptic which might be easier
[05:52] <DaNeon> i'm using synaptics
[05:52] <micX> or just uncomment it
[05:52] <DaNeon> but grip doesn't appear
[05:52] <ubuntu-nubiee> i just installed ubuntu and i'm getting "destination host unreachable" just trying to ping my linux firewall, any ideas?
[05:52] <LinuxJones> ya jsut comment it
[05:52] <daniels> you need to run 'update'
[05:52] <DaNeon> updatedb
[05:52] <DaNeon> ?
[05:52] <elmaya> no wey...
[05:52] <Phr0stByte> neighborlee: Igot korean in (???) But having big trouble with japanese.
[05:53] <crimsun> like micX said, it's already in /etc/apt/sources.list, but you need to uncomment it and run ``apt-get update''
[05:53] <crimsun> or run Update from within Synaptic
[05:53] <mr_hat> anyone???
[05:53] <DaNeon> ok
[05:53] <DaNeon> i got it
[05:54] <DaNeon> jajaja
[05:54] <ubuntu-nubiee> network help, anybody?  route -n looks fine....
[05:54] <Phr0stByte> Anyone know how to get japanese input support into Gnome?
[05:55] <DaNeon> c u later
[05:55] <DaNeon> thx everybody
[05:55] <LinuxJones> cya\
[05:56] <ubuntu-nubiee> and ifconfig looks fine
[05:56] <crimsun> ubuntu-nubiee: ip route
[05:56] <ubuntu-nubiee> and i've tried 2 different hubs, both work for 2 other boxes
[05:56] <ubuntu-nubiee> default via gw
[05:57] <ubuntu-nubiee> looks okay
[05:57] <crimsun> that doesn't look okay
[05:57] <Phr0stByte> ubuntu-nubie: dhcp?
[05:57] <Phr0stByte> ubuntu-nubiee: dhcp?
[05:57] <ubuntu-nubiee> no static
[05:57] <crimsun> you should have at least two lines
[05:57] <ubuntu-nubiee> yeah, 2 lines
[05:57] <ubuntu-nubiee> 1st one looks okay too, here it is
[05:57] <crimsun> next time please be explicit
[05:58] <ubuntu-nubiee> 192.168.2.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.2.0
[05:58] <ubuntu-nubiee> sorry
[05:58] <ubuntu-nubiee> default via 192.168.2.1
[05:58] <ubuntu-nubiee> default via 192.168.2.1 dev eth0
[05:59] <crimsun> "src 192.168.2.0" ?
[05:59] <ubuntu-nubiee> route -n is just 2 lines, 192.168.2.0 and the default
[05:59] <crimsun> what's the interface's actual ip?
[05:59] <ubuntu-nubiee> nope, sorry again
[05:59] <ubuntu-nubiee> 192.168.2.8
[05:59] <ubuntu-nubiee> it's src 192.168.2.8
[06:00] <ubuntu-nubiee> ifconfig looks okay, but i don't know what driver it's using
[06:01] <crimsun> ubuntu-nubiee: i presume pinging lo works just fine?
[06:01] <ubuntu-nubiee> yeah, lo and ping 192.168.2.8 -I eth0 are fine
[06:02] <ubuntu-nubiee> take that back, lo's not working
[06:02] <crimsun> ping 127.0.0.1 or ping localhost don't work?
[06:02] <ubuntu-nubiee> lo is fine
[06:02] <ubuntu-nubiee> yeah, it worked
[06:02] <polok> does anyone know if there's a module for a Netcomm NB1200 USB ADSL modem?
[06:04] <ubuntu-nubiee> the card is a netgear fa-311, which used to have a couple hiccups with other distros (but that was a couple years ago)
[06:04] <crimsun> ubuntu-nubiee: i believe that uses tulip.ko
[06:04] <crimsun> ubuntu-nubiee: you should be able to verify from ``dmesg'' output
[06:05] <ubuntu-nubiee> dmesg says natsemi, i think that's correct
[06:05] <ubuntu-nubiee> i've used that before
[06:06] <crimsun> ok, it was either that or tulip
[06:06] <crimsun> the 310-311 ones always confuse me
[06:06] <ubuntu-nubiee> yeah, i've had issues with both of those
[06:07] <crimsun> dmesg doesn't report any errors, correct?
[06:08] <ubuntu-nubiee> there are a couple, but i don't think they are for the nic
[06:08] <ubuntu-nubiee> isa pcic probe: not found
[06:09] <ubuntu-nubiee> device 'i823650' does not have release() function...
[06:09] <ubuntu-nubiee> and some hda DMA timeout stuff
[06:12] <LinuxJones> night all
[06:12] <crimsun> ubuntu-nubiee: did you ever say which ip your other pc has?
[06:12] <ubuntu-nubiee> 192.168.2.1
[06:13] <ubuntu-nubiee> there are 2, i have a 192.168.2.2 as well
[06:13] <ubuntu-nubiee> they both can ping each other, but neither one can ping ubuntu
[06:13] <ubuntu-nubiee> is that what you mean?  which ip?
[06:14] <crimsun> what is 192.168.2.1's default gw?
[06:14] <crimsun> and 192.168.2.2's?
[06:14] <ubuntu-nubiee> 2.1 is the gw and 2.2's is 2.1
[06:15] <crimsun> how are they physically connected?
[06:15] <ubuntu-nubiee> just a 10mbps hub
[06:16] <crimsun> all three nics are plugged into the hub?
[06:16] <ubuntu-nubiee> yup, 3 lights on the hub
[06:17] <crimsun> ok, let's go ahead and try ruling out hardware (cabling) error
[06:17] <crimsun> switch the cat5
[06:17] <ubuntu-nubiee> i had this computer working just fine on my LAN with mandrake10, that's why i'm pointing the finger at ubuntu
[06:17] <ubuntu-nubiee> yeah, tried that, i'm on my 3rd cable
[06:18] <ubuntu-nubiee> and my second hub
[06:18] <crimsun> when you issue a ping from the ubuntu box, does its led on the hub indicate activity?
[06:18] <ubuntu-nubiee> i'm not sure it's ubuntu, just my best guess
[06:18] <burner> can ubuntu ping itself?
[06:18] <ubuntu-nubiee> yup
[06:18] <burner> it can't ping other machines?
[06:18] <ubuntu-nubiee> burner, yes lo and eth0 can ping themselves
[06:19] <ubuntu-nubiee> burner, exactly
[06:19] <burner> do other machiens have firewall of any sort?
[06:19] <burner> and when you do a route command with no arguments, it looks right?
[06:19] <ubuntu-nubiee> yeah, my gw has a firewall, it's what i'm chatting on
[06:19] <ubuntu-nubiee> as far as i can tell
[06:20] <ubuntu-nubiee> just localnet and default
[06:20] <crimsun> does your firewall permit packets from only .2?
[06:20] <ubuntu-nubiee> no, its nice to 192.168.2.*
[06:20] <crimsun> ok
[06:21] <crimsun> and your ubuntu nic has an irq assigned?
[06:21] <ubuntu-nubiee> route doesn't include lo, but that isn't it, right?
[06:21] <crimsun> that's correct, it won't usually include lo
[06:21] <ubuntu-nubiee> yeah, irq 9
[06:21] <pyramid> man i finally got xsane to work on 2.6
[06:22] <crimsun> is it sharing irq 9 with any other devices?
[06:22] <ubuntu-nubiee> how do i check that?
[06:22] <crimsun> /proc/interrupts lists them
[06:23] <burner> irq... aren't these pci devices?
[06:23] <burner> thought irq was only issue on old isa hardware
[06:23] <ubuntu-nubiee> yup, pci
[06:23] <ubuntu-nubiee> i don't have /proc/interrupts
[06:24] <pyramid> what is the package manager in ubuntu
[06:24] <ubuntu-nubiee> apt
[06:25] <burner> pyramid: for a gui... use synaptic
[06:25] <ubuntu-nubiee> ?
[06:25] <crimsun> pyramid: apt, synaptic, dselect, etc.
[06:25] <pyramid> oh ok they use synaptic..nice features
[06:25] <crimsun> ubuntu-nubiee: no, certain devices are very picky about irqs
[06:25] <burner> ubuntu-nubiee: i really have no idea for more troubleshooting
[06:25] <crimsun> this much we have learned through ALSA debugging
[06:26] <burner> if it cna ping itself but not other machines... i'd look for firewall and gateway/netmask
[06:26] <ubuntu-nubiee> that's fine.  thank you so much for the advice.  
[06:26] <ubuntu-nubiee> i'll keep at it for a bit longer.
[06:26] <crimsun> definitely check the netmask
[06:26] <pyramid> it took 8 hours and lots of recompiling with certain use flags to get xsane working with kernel 2.6...but it does work
[06:26] <ubuntu-nubiee> yeah, netmask is fine
[06:26] <pyramid> along with gimp2
[06:26] <ubuntu-nubiee> thanks again, i'll prolly try again with the next big version
[06:27] <pyramid> i sure miss the simple days when the kernel had scanner drivers
[06:27] <burner> good luck ubuntu-nubiee 
[06:27] <ubuntu-nubiee> thanks man
[06:28] <ubuntu-nubiee> you too crimsun
[06:28] <pyramid> i am going to check out ubuntu when i get another machine
[06:29] <pyramid> i saw debian package tools on gentoo...so i guess they can port all the latest stuff to ubuntu
[06:30] <fabbione> morning guys
[06:30] <joem> pyramid, not quite what that package does
[06:30] <joem> fabbione, morning
[06:31] <crimsun> moin fabbione 
[06:31] <pyramid> joem, well i am not sure but there were several debain package tools for gentoo so i guess certain people know how to use them to port all the latest stuff to ubuntu
[06:32] <pyramid> i am really not sure how debian creates those .deb files
[06:33] <joem> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/base/debianutils.html
[06:33] <joem> doesn't have anything to do with porting stuff
[06:33] <joem> pyramid, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[06:33] <joem> thats how you create debs
[06:37] <pyramid> joem the maint-guide is huge...what program do you execute on a tarball to create a .deb file
[06:37] <joem> its all explained in the guide
[06:37] <pyramid> joem, well when i get time i will read it...i bookmarked it in epiphany 1.4
[06:38] <pyramid> i am just happy i got xsane working today without a kernel scanner driver..which no longer exists
[06:39] <pyramid> next thing is i would like to get a camera working
[06:40] <defendguin> joem, i got the epittance packages ready
[06:40] <joem> cool
[06:41] <joem> hows it work?
[06:42] <defendguin> crashes for me
[06:42] <defendguin> but maybe im missing something
[06:43] <joem> heh
[06:43] <defendguin>  http://nolamodchips.com/files/
[06:44] <jasona90> anyone know where to Get BlackBox or FLux for Ubuntu
[06:44] <jasona90> or atleast one that works
[06:45] <hello> sudo apt-get install blackbox
[06:45] <jasona90> oh lol it comes with it
[06:45] <pyramid> does anybody know if there is a dvdr patch for cdrtools-2.01...i only have one for cdrtools-2.01a32
[06:45] <defendguin> joem, let me know if it works for you
[06:45] <hello> jasona90: you have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:46] <hello> switch to universe
[06:46] <cef> dly' tool like frontpage..
[06:46] <cef> argh!!
[06:46] <cef> damn mouse
[06:47] <pyramid> cef what is wrong with your mouse...mine works ok since i got rid of nvidia glx and went to hardware glx
[06:47] <jasona90> hello: how do i switch to universe what is that
[06:47] <hello> jasona90: read /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:48] <cef> pyramid: shitty touchpad that is too sensitive in front of my lappy keyboard
[06:48] <DaNeon> hi... how can a open file manager as root? sudo ______?
[06:48] <jasona90> ahh k ty
[06:48] <pyramid> cef, well there are some settings in xorg.conf that might help that  a bit
[06:49] <cef> pyramid: yeah I know.. I really should just disable the trackpad..
[06:49] <pyramid> DaNeon, you have to be a member of sudo users
[06:49] <pyramid> cef, well my mouse works better since i went to hardware glx
[06:49] <DaNeon> the user you create when you install ubuntu isn't a member?
[06:50] <cef> don't even have glx on this machine.. no gl support on this chipset
[06:50] <pyramid> DaNeon, it has been a while but i think you need to add yourself to sudousers somewhere..try the man pages
[06:50] <jasona90> anyone know a good FAQ for Iptables
[06:51] <DaNeon> ok
[06:51] <pyramid> i just want to get a camera working...with the mfc epson printer/scanner/copier
[06:52] <DaNeon> can i set my user to root group or is it too dangerous????
[06:52] <pyramid> at least the epson works...i never could get HP or Brother mfc printers to work.
[06:53] <pyramid> but the epson does not have built-in fax so i guess i will have to use the old modem approach with efax-gtk
[06:53] <pyramid> i used to have efax working years ago
[06:55] <pyramid> DaNeon, no...just put you in sudousers it is a config file somewhere..read the man pages on sudo
[06:55] <DaNeon> ok
[06:56] <pyramid> DaNeon, i just don't remember those details from long ago...or else i would tell you exactly..but read the man pages it is not too hard.
[06:56] <joem> defendguin, you have howl and all that set up right?
[06:56] <defendguin> i have howl installed
[06:56] <defendguin> setup i dont know
[06:56] <joem> have it running and all that
[06:56] <joem> It requires a working howl configuration, which means at least nifd and mDNSResponder must be running.
[06:57] <defendguin> i dont even have nifd
[06:58] <pyramid> i finally got a compile on glom....man that was a pain...i don't know how the author compiled it because i had to edit many files and include headers...but anyway it is quite nice...but has a few bugs
[06:59] <pyramid> it is nice to have a free database designer for GNU/Linux
[07:00] <joem> defendguin, it is part of howl
[07:00] <defendguin> i do have howl installed
[07:02] <pyramid> does ubuntu have a package already to go for glom
[07:07] <defendguin> joem, you get it working?
[07:09] <joem> defendguin, didn't try
[07:09] <pyramid> what is howl..it that the old zeroconfig type stuff
[07:26] <q2> ANyone know of a good (Free) proxy for Linux?????
[07:28] <daniels> q2: squid
[07:30] <q2> easy to use?
[07:30] <joebeastie> there is a webim interface for it as well
[07:31] <joebeastie> it is fairly easy
[07:31] <q2> awesome
[07:31] <q2> thanks
[07:38] <q2> aight, i apt-got squid, it says its runnig, but how do i configure it?????
[07:42] <q2> How do i configure squid???????
[07:47] <|trey|> q2, umm, dude, thats kinda a wide question... people have written papers on that probably... man squid is a good place to start... as is google... I don't think IRC is a good place though...
[07:47] <|trey|> If you need clarification of something, come back... 
[07:49] <monkeyc-unb> squid has a massive range of configuration options - there are some good how to's out there if you google for them
[07:50] <hello> Hi, I need some help with ubuntu. The system just completely froze up so I rebooted.
[07:50] <hello> Now X won't start
[07:50] <hello> it has to do with nvidia glx or something and I forget how to set that up
[07:50] <pyramid> q2, that is like asking how to configure postgresql...i already have an 600 page manual on just that alone
[07:51] <q2> I JUST WANT TO MASK MY IP!
[07:51] <hello> can somebody tell me how to set up nvidia-glx?
[07:51] <spooky1> hi
[07:51] <joem> q2, please don't shout
[07:52] <hello> and how to configure X with dpkg
[07:52] <hello> (I forget and I'm in the console)
[07:52] <pyramid> hello, there are docs at nvidia's website on setting all the symlinks for nvidia glx...but it is fairly detailed
[07:52] <hello> I can't remember how I did it but it was fairly simple
[07:52] <hello> like "apt-get install nvidia-glx" and some other crap
[07:52] <pyramid> hello, it took me several hours to set nvidia glx symlinks properly
[07:53] <spooky1> does any one has installed XP on master primary ide hd and wartydog on slave primary ide and the used grub???
[07:53] <spooky1> i like to know how i should install Grub 
[07:54] <spooky1> when the installation it almos finish
[07:54] <spooky1> finished
[07:54] <defendguin> hey how come nifd isnt in howl in ubuntu?
[07:54] <pyramid> spooky1, no everybody keeps secondary unused...it is for ghosting the primary and mass duplication for hardware manufacturers
[07:54] <spooky1> it asks where to install the grub MBR o where
[07:54] <spooky1> ok i got it
[07:55] <giorsat> for anybody who uses a wireless card using prism2 driver (wlan-ng driver). after 2 days of trouble I dscovered that after installing the linux wlan-ng packages I had to add the line wireless_mode managed in etc/network/interface to get access to my access point in addition to change the line is ad hoc with "n" in /etc/wlan/config-"mylane" files. everythin is ok now. hope it helps someone
[07:55] <pyramid> spooky1, you see when you get a primary all configured and everything...then you add a secondary drive and ghost the primary and then put the secondary drive in another computer as a primary drive
[07:56] <spooky1> yes to clone the installation
[07:56] <pyramid> spooky1, that way you can sell expensive configured computers without any expense
[07:56] <spooky1> ok
[07:57] <spooky1> but my problem is that I want ubuntu linux installed on Slave primary hdd and keep xp on master primary hdd
[07:57] <spooky1> because my girl prefers winblows
[07:57] <spooky1> but i need both OS
[07:57] <pyramid> spooky1, don't waste secondary..put both on primary
[07:58] <pyramid> spooky1, that way you can ghost when you want
[07:58] <Hrdwr_BoB> there's no reason he can't do what he wants
[07:58] <Hrdwr_BoB> put grub on the first drive
[07:58] <Hrdwr_BoB> it can still chainload windows
[07:58] <Hrdwr_BoB> then ask your gf WTF she needs windows
[07:58] <Hrdwr_BoB> because odds are, she doesn't
[07:58] <spooky1> but it overwrites MBR and then XP wont boot
[07:58] <Hrdwr_BoB> spooky1: XP boot is on it's partition
[07:58] <Hrdwr_BoB> not the MBR
[07:59] <Hrdwr_BoB> the MBR simply looks for the partition marked 'boot'
[07:59] <spooky1> ok 
[08:00] <spooky1> well but where else I can install GRUB instead hda and MBR
[08:00] <spooky1> _
[08:00] <spooky1> ?
[08:01] <pyramid> spooky1, there have been reports of xp eating partitions made by fdisk...so some people use the NT bootloader instead of grub
[08:01] <burner> NT Bootloader can't load linux... afaik
[08:01] <spooky1> yes that right 
[08:01] <pyramid> burner, well i have heard people doing it although i don't know how myself
[08:01] <spooky1> but i found that i can
[08:02] <spooky1> copying the 512kb boot area of  linux to c
[08:02] <spooky1> to add to ntloader
[08:02] <burner> huh... wonders never cease
[08:03] <burner> why not just use grub anyway?
[08:03] <burner> or lilo
[08:03] <burner> just default it to windows for your gf
[08:03] <spooky1> let explain what happens
[08:03] <pyramid> burner, because xp eats the partitions
[08:03] <burner> xp eats partitions?
[08:03] <burner> wtf are you talking about?
[08:03] <spooky1> i installed XP on C: and ubuntu on hdb1
[08:03] <pyramid> burner, yes there are many reports of xp eating partitions made by fdisk
[08:03] <spooky1> then
[08:04] <spooky1> ntloader doesnt works
[08:04] <Hrdwr_BoB> usint the NT bootloader is a retarded idea
[08:04] <burner> good call
[08:04] <burner> just install grub to the mbr
[08:04] <burner> and be happy
[08:04] <burner> xp eats partitions.... i doubt it
[08:04] <burner> i run xp and ubuntu
[08:04] <spooky1> to make the ntloader works i have to copy a  part of the boot to c
[08:04] <burner> and xp and debian
[08:04] <burner> and a box with xp and morphix
[08:04] <pyramid> burner, i did not make the reports i only read them on slashdot a while back
[08:05] <burner> i think the slashdot thing you read was that xp was being wiped out by the fedora install
[08:05] <spooky1> but the ububtu installation doesn let me install grub on hdb because when I do that ubuntu doest works
[08:05] <burner> spooky1: why not use the mbr?
[08:05] <pyramid> burner, no they said xp eats partitions and they wished they had a newer version of fdisk
[08:05] <spooky1> because it doesn't let me start xp
[08:06] <burner> what?
[08:06] <spooky1> yes
[08:06] <burner> you can't edit your grub menu to allow xp booting?
[08:06] <lothario> they meant to say xp eats s**t, but it got changed by the editors
[08:06] <burner> ;)
[08:06] <pyramid> lothario, that is funny
[08:06] <spooky1> O:-)
[08:07] <burner> seriously... i run grub with xp and linux on many computers perfectly fine
[08:07] <spooky1> but its xp on hda and linux on hdb?
[08:07] <pyramid> burner, well so did many others until one day xp ate their partition
[08:08] <burner> i've done this for a long time
[08:08] <wobbler> http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/grub-w2k-HOWTO.html
[08:10] <deFrysk> hdb = prim.slave
[08:10] <spooky1> WOBBLER i tried that but when i reinstalled ubuntu and ask me where to install GRUB i tried to install it on /dev/hdb1 to do what the HOWTO explains saving c:\linux.bin
[08:11] <pyramid> wobbler, good reference..maybe this is what all those complaints were about
[08:11] <spooky1> but then linux doesn boot
[08:11] <Treenaks> uh
[08:11] <burner> linux.bin?
[08:11] <Treenaks> this looks like you're booting linux from the Windows bootloader, not booting both from Grub
[08:11] <burner> wtf
[08:11] <burner> install grub to the mbr
[08:11] <burner> break out a linux boot disk... chroot to your ubuntu install
[08:12] <burner> run the grub-install command to get it on your mbr
[08:12] <Treenaks> it is... just as easy as adding a "other" entry to menu.lst
[08:13] <Treenaks> there's even an example entry in the default menu.lst!
[08:14] <spooky1> i found this
[08:14] <spooky1> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pclim/help-desk/dual-boot/dual-boot.html
[08:15] <Treenaks> spooky1: you don't need to find anything, you just need to read the config file in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:15] <Treenaks> that explains everything
[08:16] <Treenaks> you don't want to dual-boot with ntloader.. what if you decide to get rid of windows?
[08:16] <spooky1> yes i understand what the menu.lst explains but why doesn boot my ubuntu installation then
[08:16] <wobbler> yeah the config file has good examples that work for most cases
[08:17] <Treenaks> spooky1: because you should install GRUBs mbr
[08:17] <burner> u installed grub to /dev/hdb
[08:17] <Treenaks> spooky1: (only necesary once)
[08:17] <burner> not the mbr
[08:17] <Treenaks> burner: /dev/hdb is an mbr.. just on the wrong disk
[08:17] <deFrysk> :D
[08:17] <spooky1> ok let me try it again and IBRB
[08:18] <burner> good call ;)  sorry
[08:18] <spooky1> O:-)
[08:18] <burner> mbr on first hard disk :)
[08:18] <spooky1> thanx 
[08:18] <deFrysk> the deafault in install
[08:18] <burner> less you can tell your bios to boot from hdb2
[08:19] <spooky1> i tried that and wwhen it boots grub and select ubuntu it shows error 7
[08:19] <Treenaks> burner: most bioses can only boot from disks (disk1, disk2) not partitions
[08:19] <spooky1> yes
[08:19] <Treenaks> spooky1: you should of course update your menu.lst to reflect the real locations of your partitions
[08:19] <spooky1> well thanx to all of u
[08:20] <spooky1> i ll be right back in 20 min
[08:20] <jamesdorn> Anyone know what's up with the mac image?
[08:20] <jamesdorn> I cannnot seem to burn it with disk-utility
[08:20] <burner> rrrrrrrrrright... i'm off tonight... i meant just hdb ;)
[08:20] <jamesdorn> if it's mounted... the disk-utility application wont launch correctly
[08:20] <jamesdorn> and if i burn it with Toast... the install doesnt work right.
[08:21] <spooky1> see ya in a few moments to 
[08:21] <q2> Whats a good proxy besides squid (it was Not really letting me do what the document sayd) that can mask my IP?
[08:21] <monkeyc-unb> anyone got any idea if lifearea or straw may make it into universe soonish ?
[08:21] <jamesdorn> Any clues? I have tried this on multiple macs.... have tried downloading VIa the torrent, and the iso strait from the ftp
[08:22] <monkeyc-unb> really dont want to have to add unstable to my sources list just to get it
[08:23] <burner> monkeyc-unb: just download the .debs for them then :)
[08:23] <monkeyc-unb> oh i could do that couldnt i..
[08:23] <monkeyc-unb> sunday afternoon braindeath :)
[08:24] <burner> good luck...  straw has never worked right for me
[08:24] <jamesdorn> Anyone have any clues on my problem?
[08:25] <burner> mac image... no idea
[08:25] <monkeyc-unb> im going to try lifearea before straw i think
[08:25] <jamesdorn> overall... frustrating... =)
[08:25] <pampa> hi, I have a problem with my keyboard and I want to know if anyone has it too
[08:26] <pampa> my keyboard has an english layout
[08:26] <jamesdorn> burner: do you know how to select the network-installer?
[08:26] <pampa> and I can't make it work with accents
[08:26] <pampa> anyone experienced the same?
[08:28] <wobbler> burner hopefully spooky1 will read the menu.list and will see what it should be
[08:28] <wobbler> heh
[08:29] <burner> network-installer?  nope
[08:30] <burner> wobbler: all he has to do is hit yes yes ok, next, next, finish and it should be good ;)
[08:30] <wobbler> yup
[08:32] <crimsun> there are quite a few here
[08:33] <joem> they are always here, or responding to the list
[08:33] <pyramid> does anybody know what package xml2pot would be found in
[08:34] <mdz> pyramid: poxml
[08:34] <pyramid> i keep having failed compiles every now and then because of missing binaries
[08:34] <pyramid> mdz, thanks let me go compile it
[08:34] <joem> see, devs are always around when you need em
[08:34] <mdz> pyramid: you shouldn't need to compile it; .debs are in universe
[08:35] <omluce> hi everyone!
[08:35] <pyramid> mdz, i am on gentoo...so i have different libraries than everyone else...therefore it is best for me to try and conmpile
[08:35] <mdz> ah
[08:36] <defendguin> why is in here a bunch of howl packages available on apt but no nifd?
[08:36] <mdz> defendguin: howl is a Hoary project
[08:36] <defendguin> :(
[08:36] <omluce> does ubuntu support nForce Chipset and winmodems?
[08:36] <defendguin> im trying to build epittance
[08:37] <crimsun> omluce: if the kernel does, then Ubuntu does. It certainly supports nforce.
[08:37] <defendguin> and i built it but cant run it because of a lack of nifd
[08:37] <pyramid> omluce you can get the packages nforce-net and hsflinmodem from gentoo and compile them for ubuntu
[08:38] <pyramid> omluce, they are fairly recent packages
[08:38] <crimsun> why nforce-net? support for that is already in the kernel.
[08:38] <crimsun> 'forcedeth'
[08:38] <tvon|x31> defendguin: I got it built..had to suck a few packages from unstable
[08:38] <pyramid> crimsun, these are updated modules
[08:38] <tvon|x31> well, I built them from unstable
[08:38] <tvon|x31> defendguin: though I dont recall any nifd thing...what provides that?
[08:39] <joem> the howl package should
[08:39] <defendguin> its supposed to be in howl
[08:39] <defendguin> but it coulc be in its own packaged
[08:39] <tvon|x31> hrm
[08:39] <defendguin> could
[08:39] <tvon|x31> I have it
[08:40] <omluce> ugh! I see
[08:41] <omluce> newer kernel has already suport for GART too
[08:41] <omluce> great!
[08:41] <tvon|x31> ah, peculiar
[08:42] <tvon|x31> defendguin: yeah, I have it on my laptop but I think I built it (whatever provides nifd) on here, its not form a package
[08:42] <tvon|x31> I built epitance on my desktop which has no nifd
[08:43] <tvon|x31> which might explain why my cpu hits 80% when I try to share something...
[08:48] <burner> anyone out there have a centrino and use the ipw2100 module?
[08:48] <tvon|x31> defendguin: did you file a bug?
[08:48] <pyramid> the best understanding i have is that poxml is inside kdesdk...i guess i have to compile the whole thing
[08:48] <defendguin> nah i never got evrything it needed
[08:53] <tvon|x31> hrm
[08:56] <defendguin> any epittance package should require nifd and mDNSRepeater.  a mistake i made when building epittance
[08:57] <defendguin> night
[09:06] <tvon|x31> 'nifd -d' spits a lot of errors from my source install....not going to bother with a bug report since it seems busted upstream
[09:09] <zenwhen> has anyone had an issue where gedit just refuses to save naything
[09:09] <zenwhen> anything*
[09:12] <burner> nope zenwhen 
[09:13] <zenwhen> well
[09:13] <zenwhen> it stopped being able to save anything as a user
[09:13] <zenwhen> even to dirs I can write to with any other app
[09:13] <zenwhen> its weird
[09:15] <pyramid> zenwhen, gedit has been working fine here for many months...i don't know why yours won't save...have you run out of inodes or something
[09:16] <zenwhen> as I said I can save eith any other app
[09:16] <zenwhen> with*
[09:16] <zenwhen> Its weird
[09:16] <jmhodges> ok, anyone know a repo with gstreamer0.8-lame?
[09:16] <pyramid> zenwhen, that is weird...do you have the latest glib,glibc,pango,orbit,and all the gnomelibs
[09:17] <zenwhen> It randomly stopped working
[09:17] <zenwhen> It worked an hour ago
[09:17] <pyramid> zenwhen, that is weird
[09:17] <zenwhen> yeah
[09:17] <zenwhen> blowing it away and reinstalling didnt help
[09:17] <pyramid> zenwhen, how does gvim and scite ..do they save ok
[09:17] <zenwhen> Yes
[09:18] <zenwhen> Everything else saves ok
[09:18] <pyramid> zenwhen, very strange...i would try to recompile it
[09:18] <pyramid> after you make sure you have all the latest libraries
[09:19] <zenwhen> I dont want to make system wide sweeping changes because an app broke.
[09:19] <zenwhen> Ill just switch
[09:19] <zenwhen> To a different editor
[09:19] <zenwhen> If an app breaks its not worth using.
[09:20] <pyramid> zenwhen, well you must keep up to date on the libraries because for example glibc went to native posix threads instead of linux threads which are much much faster
[09:20] <zenwhen> That will just break more apps.
[09:21] <zenwhen> I nee my system to run. Not run faster.
[09:21] <zenwhen> need*
[09:21] <pyramid> yes it will break all your apps but you can recompile them
[09:21] <zenwhen> bah
[09:21] <zenwhen> not worth the hassle
[09:21] <pyramid> zenwhen, ok in that case just use gvim...it is nice and has a lot of plugins
[09:23] <opi> morning
[09:23] <tvon|x31> You shouldnt need to recompile anything... if you are using Ubuntu packages and the error shows up, you should either 1) wait till there are some developers around and ask again or 2) send a note to the ubuntu-dev list
[09:24] <tvon|x31> zenwhen: ^^
[09:34] <zenwhen> I had to recompile gail
[09:34] <zenwhen> and libgail
[09:34] <zenwhen> that fixed it
[09:37] <pyramid> zenwhen, way to go..you are learning how to fix any problems you may come across
[09:39] <opi> zenwhen: next, find out how to create .debs and you're home :)
[09:41] <zenwhen> Coming from slackware, I can usually solve all of my problems. I sometimes look for a quick fix by asking others though.
[09:41] <opi> zenwhen: im typing from slackware now :)
[09:42] <zenwhen> .debs probably arent as easy to creat as .tgz slackpaks.
[09:42] <zenwhen> create*
[09:42] <zenwhen> checkinstall is sweet
[09:42] <opi> zenwhen: but they are not as chard :)
[09:42] <opi> hard ;)
[09:42] <zenwhen> how do you create a deb then?
[09:42] <zenwhen> Is it harder than "checkinstall"
[09:43] <opi> zenwhen: try it :) http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/
[09:46] <pyramid> man this kdesdk3.3 is taking a long time to compile..i sure hope i get xml2pot out of it
[09:48] <opi> compiling anything with KDE as prefix takes up some time ;)
[09:49] <opi> once, for fun, my sysadmin put Gentoo on PII/300 and add some desktop stuff (xorg, kde;-)
[09:49] <opi> it took 3 days or so to compile ;p
[09:49] <pyramid> opi, yes it does indeed...but glom took me over 18 hours...it was the most difficult because i had to add headers to many files that would not compile....i don't know how the author ever compiled it
[09:49] <opi> pyramid: thing I hate it to fix typos in stable releases :(
[09:50] <joem> glom and its deps aren't stable releases
[09:50] <opi> pyramid: I understand that when I getting CVS version it can be broken
[09:50] <pyramid> opi, well i don't care for any stable releases...they are too old to be of any use....i am trying to create a useable desktop os that is free
[09:51] <pyramid> opi, well yes many cvs versions have problems compiling...but you can usually get many others working
[09:52] <opi> http://akson.sgh.waw.pl/~chopin/irc/fan1.txt :)
[09:53] <monkeyc-unb> it always interests me the differences in peoples philosihpies
[09:53] <monkeyc-unb> i want a useable desktop but i dont mind stable as much
[09:54] <pyramid> ok i finally got xml2pot...and now i got a good compile on digikam....that is my next project...to try and get cameras working for a useable desktop os
[09:54] <monkeyc-unb> but i dont want clutter and 10'000 apps. Perhaps thats why I like ubuu
[09:54] <monkeyc-unb> bah my typing
[09:55] <pyramid> monkeyc-unb, well so far i only have about 30gigs of binaries for the desktop os....it is a few apps but many people will need them
[09:55] <monkeyc-unb> very true
[09:55] <joem> only 30 gigs?
[09:55] <monkeyc-unb> i like the debian approach with the ability to select what you want on top of a base
[09:56] <toyowheelin> haha thats funny...Im generating an 8192bit dsa ssh keyset
[09:56] <joem> 30 gigs is huge for bunarys
[09:56] <pyramid> monkeyc-unb, for example even with openoffice you don't get a database like MS Access...so i got glom working somewhat
[09:56] <joem> ooh that was bad spelling
[09:56] <monkeyc-unb> mind you i have been running unstable before ubuntu
[09:56] <cef> toyowheelin: bit small, isn't it?
[09:56] <joem> binaries *
[09:56] <toyowheelin> lol my pc is chewing on it
[09:56] <monkeyc-unb> pyramid, i see what you mean and i can appreciate the work you guysss dedicate to it
[09:56] <pyramid> joem, not really joem when you consider that ooffice takes 100megs just by itself
[09:57] <monkeyc-unb> and it means choice for us on the front end not bloat like mandrake
[09:57] <pyramid> joem, and mozilla takes another 30megs
[09:57] <toyowheelin> cef I wanted to see what the MAX dsa key sise was
[09:57] <pyramid> joem, the binaries add up fast
[09:57] <opi> uh, compiling Mozilla && OO.org it's painful :/
[09:57] <toyowheelin> *size
[09:57] <joem> pyramid, thats a bad example because average biary size is usually <10megs
[09:57] <joem> binary* damn
[09:58] <cef> toyowheelin: heh.. I remember generating 4096 bit rsa keys for auth use with ipsec, and breaking a lot of vendor implementations that wouldn't do more than 2048 (this was when the usual size was 512 bits)
[09:58] <pyramid> some of them are huge...and for example glom ..while it is not big it takes many many dependencies some of which are very big
[09:58] <joem> all the gnome libs are less then 200 megs
[09:58] <monkeyc-unb> its the package combinations that get me, the sheer number needed to get a working system.  I take my hat off to anyone who rolls their own, i just dont have the patience
[09:59] <toyowheelin> lol cef ssh-keygen process is using 98% of my processor
[09:59] <joem> A full ubuntu desktop install asks for 1.8 gigs
[09:59] <joem> so 30 gigs is a bit too much
[09:59] <cef> toyowheelin: you sound like you need the flog command
[09:59] <pyramid> and scribus, evolution, qcad, mathcad, gphoto2, gtkcam, gtk-efax. and so on...it all adds up fast
[09:59] <toyowheelin> flog?
[09:59] <monkeyc-unb> joem but what about when people want KDE not gnome or koffice etc.. i can see how it adds up
[10:00] <joem> to 30 gigs?
[10:00] <joem> gnome and kde combined would be under a gig
[10:00] <monkeyc-unb> but thats just one example.
[10:00] <joem> but those would be the biggest examples, and they are 1/30th of the total
[10:01] <cef> toyowheelin: http://linux.about.com/od/funnymanpages/a/funman_flog.htm
[10:01] <pyramid> and that is just a few...that doesn't count..knoda,krita,gaim,gnome-meeting,ogre,blender,povray,python,perl,ruby, and so on and so on
[10:01] <monkeyc-unb> consider as windows network alone - my sources drive with all the installs we use or support is 50gb in size.  Admittedly you are talking several thousand users but the point is the same
[10:02] <pyramid> but when you are building a desktop...you must take on MS and have a compeitive system...and MS has lots and lots of programmers writing all the desktop apps
[10:02] <monkeyc-unb> then again maybe us windows admins are used to bloat :)
[10:02] <joem> still, 30 gigs..
[10:02] <joem> all of those apps come on one suse dvd for example
[10:02] <joem> what is that 4.9 gigs or something
[10:02] <pyramid> it adds to 30 gigs of executables very very quickly
[10:02] <monkeyc-unb> umm not all the apps in the 30gig
[10:03] <monkeyc-unb> thats all the apps suse ship, which is their choice
[10:03] <joem> what are you counting in the 30 gigs?
[10:03] <joem> anything you have mentioned is on that dvd
[10:03] <joem> and I doubt you have another 20 something gigs worth of random stuff installed
[10:03] <monkeyc-unb> the difference is between suse and debian - the package management means an app has to be in the repository which means a large repository unlike RPMS which are all over the place
[10:03] <sabdfl> monkeyc-unb: you can install ubuntu in a minimalist fashion (base only) then add the bits you want too
[10:04] <joem> unless it is a bunch of games like unreal or something
[10:04] <pyramid> well yes..i did not even mention kiso , kopete, and many utilities
[10:04] <monkeyc-unb> diff is apt works pretty much every time whereas RPM's are flaky, its what you chose i suppose
[10:04] <pyramid> and xbox-iso-manager
[10:04] <toyowheelin> lol no I dont need flog...I just need to let it crunch numbers
[10:04] <sabdfl> just type "custom" at the CD boot prompt
[10:04] <sabdfl> and you'll end up with kernel, shell, network tools, diagnostics etc.
[10:04] <monkeyc-unb> sabdfl, i know :) persoanally i think the size is fine to be honest
[10:04] <sabdfl> ok
[10:05] <monkeyc-unb> i rung ubuntu on a 6gb hdd which is never going to fill, my winxp box meanwhile has a 15gb c part which is 60% full, and i can do almost everything on ubuntu i do on it
[10:05] <pyramid> and i did not mention any of the several dvd players
[10:06] <joem> you know all of these apps are around a few megs
[10:06] <pyramid> or music players or sound synthesizers or speech recognition systems
[10:06] <joem> nothing close to adding up to 30 gigs
[10:06] <monkeyc-unb> personally coming from the windows world as i do i find linux apps small
[10:06] <joem> for binarys
[10:06] <toyowheelin> I think 32768bit is the highest you can go
[10:06] <monkeyc-unb> im used to 10-15mb downloads in windows for pretty much anything now, linux apps dont normally approach that with some exceptions
[10:07] <pyramid> joem, just remember that MS has thousands of programmers around the globe constructing a desktop with Nero,isobuster,all kinds of stuff and Linux must be competitive..to be a desktop os
[10:07] <cef> toyowheelin: wonder how many implementations allow that size.. *grin*
[10:07] <joem> I don't understand what that has to do with a desktop install using 30 gigs worth of binaries
[10:07] <monkeyc-unb> pyramid, would i be wrong in thinking a large part of apps management is the many libraries that need to be there as well?
[10:07] <toyowheelin> ssh
[10:07] <toyowheelin> hehe
[10:07] <pyramid> it adds up fast...and i did not even mention any of the many p2p apps
[10:08] <pyramid> monkeyc-unb, yes the latest libraries come first
[10:08] <joem> but all of these apps come in ~2meg packages usually
[10:08] <monkeyc-unb> joem the install doesnt its the repository.  what you could download not what you need
[10:08] <monkeyc-unb> in other words theres 30gb of choices and options
[10:08] <pyramid> joem, yes but there are thousands of them for the MS desktop
[10:08] <nate> hmm
[10:08] <cef> must admit that the repositories could do with a bit of sectioning
[10:08] <joem> monkeyc-unb, earlier he said he needed 30 gigs worth of binaries for a desktop install
[10:08] <nate> USB doesn't seem to be working for me. Wonder why.
[10:08] <monkeyc-unb> and the stuff for windows is not stored in one place.
[10:08] <toyowheelin> cef, my computer is angry at me now I think cuz I am making it do 32768bit keys
[10:09] <monkeyc-unb> joem ahh no he said so far he had 30gigs of binaries for the desktop not that he needed 30gigs :)
[10:09] <pyramid> monkeyc-unb, no but people can acquire these things if they choose to do so with the MS desktop system
[10:09] <monkeyc-unb> pyramid, true they can.
[10:09] <pyramid> monkeyc-unb, that is why MS has a monopoly on desktops
[10:09] <monkeyc-unb> pesonally i love apt and would love something like it on windows.. not managed by ms of course
[10:10] <monkeyc-unb> well its one of the reasons pyramid, i honestly dont think the only one these days.
[10:10] <nate> hmm
[10:10] <monkeyc-unb> but a big one.
[10:10] <pyramid> monkeyc-unb, but Linux is becoming competitive.
[10:10] <nate> I'm sure someone could arrange tht
[10:10] <cef> toyowheelin: you let it get away with too much free wheeling.. it needs to be taught a lesson.. it's a computer, it should be more submissive.. flog it!
[10:10] <monkeyc-unb> linux is getting there fast to my mind
[10:10] <nate> you can get Free Software collections for Windows on CD now
[10:10] <joem> ok, he said he had 30 gigs and that is was rather small..I don't understand how you take up 30 gigs with these binaries
[10:10] <toyowheelin> lol
[10:10] <joem> with the examples given anyways
[10:10] <nate> wouldn't think it would be that hard to make a server install for that kind of stuff
[10:11] <toyowheelin> cef I need to make use of that 64bit processor
[10:11] <monkeyc-unb> the ui is still inconstent in linux and there are still many annoyances (CUPS anyone :) ) but compared to 6 years ago its mind blowing
[10:11] <micX> monkeyc-unb, cups rocks!
[10:11] <monkeyc-unb> you can use a linux box as an everyday computer now which i love.  windows is my job and i dont want to play with it for fun (who does)
[10:11] <cef> cups is good, the docs need improving
[10:11] <monkeyc-unb> lol micX it rocks when it works :)
[10:11] <pyramid> joem, well i backed up sources to dvd's and deleted them and also tmp files, and df reveals almost 30gigs of binaries
[10:12] <cef> as do some of the tools. the interfaces imply different meanings than what they actually do sometimes (eg: user access)
[10:12] <monkeyc-unb> now all we need is USB to work as well on linux as it does on windows and all will rock :)
[10:12] <micX> monkeyc-unb, you should see the look on mac osx ppl when I fix their printers in their web browser.
[10:13] <monkeyc-unb> cef its inconstient standards really, but the maturing linux community is starting to work on it now, will take time
[10:13] <toyowheelin> cef off the top of your head do you know what encription ssh v2 uses to form the tunnel?
[10:13] <monkeyc-unb> micX, lol i can imagine
[10:13] <daniels> toyowheelin: dsa, iirc
[10:13] <toyowheelin> :/
[10:14] <toyowheelin> humm
[10:14] <Treenaks> daniels: not 3des?
[10:14] <q2> Ummm, im trying to install Pogo, and it says i dont have Imlib1, but the apt-get says i do
[10:14] <cef> toyowheelin: depends totalyl on what each underlying end supports.. it's negotiated at startup time.. most new versions seem to use AES
[10:14] <toyowheelin> 128bit?
[10:14] <q2> Is it safe to remove Imlib then install it again?
[10:14] <monkeyc-unb> we use a lot of citrix via CSG and its great to be able to use a bootable linux minimal install and be able to work on a full desktop.  saves a pile on costs
[10:14] <cef> daniels: dsa = authentication algorithm, not encryption
[10:15] <daniels> cef: oh, right
[10:15] <monkeyc-unb> q2 it should be safe, do it through synaptic is my advice
[10:15] <daniels> yeah, there are about 10 encryption algorithms most implementations support
[10:15] <q2> synaptic?
[10:15] <daniels> but iirc 3des is the most common, and blowfish is in there, too
[10:15] <micX> monkeyc-unb, what's CSG?
[10:15] <cef> toyowheelin: nfi.. prolly 256 bit
[10:15] <monkeyc-unb> Citrix Secure Gateway
[10:15] <toyowheelin> oh
[10:15] <toyowheelin> thats cool
[10:15] <q2> monkeyc-unb, Synaptic?
[10:16] <cef> toyowheelin: 'ssh -v user@host' and see!
[10:16] <toyowheelin> I should find a way to "overclock" that 
[10:16] <toyowheelin> hehe
[10:16] <micX> q2, are you installing or compiling?
[10:16] <monkeyc-unb> q2 - computer>system configuration>synaptic package manager 
[10:17] <q2> im confused
[10:17] <q2> where is synaptic?
[10:17] <monkeyc-unb> there is a fix broken packages option that works
[10:17] <micX> q2, if you are compiling, you might just need imlib1-dev or something?
[10:17] <monkeyc-unb> on the top menu bar see computer ?
[10:17] <cef> daniels: btw: I have been reading 'Practical Cryptography' lately.. very good book
[10:17] <q2> what menu bar?
[10:17] <q2> im not using gnome
[10:17] <monkeyc-unb> ok
[10:17] <daniels> cef: Practical, or Applied?
[10:18] <cef> daniels: practical..
[10:18] <daniels> ahr
[10:18] <daniels> not read that one
[10:18] <micX> q2, command-line?
[10:18] <q2> i think i can fix this
[10:18] <monkeyc-unb> q2 there is an apt command to fix broken packages, i cannot remember it, it has worked well in the past for me
[10:18] <q2> i dont think its broken
[10:18] <micX> q2 apt-get update
[10:18] <q2> i did that along time ago
[10:18] <cef> daniels: focuses on building a systemm from scratch, and how they come about the decisions in each case, some with backup methods
[10:18] <micX> q2, apt-get upgrade
[10:19] <q2> i think i can get this to work
[10:19] <q2> did that also
[10:19] <q2> its not broken
[10:19] <q2> i am working this out
[10:19] <micX> q2, to remove a package, apt-get remove packagename
[10:19] <q2> i nkow
[10:19] <daniels> cef: oh, nice
[10:19] <nate> goodness
[10:20] <spooky1> Hi all
[10:20] <nate> I just did a dist-upgrade
[10:20] <micX> q2, good to apt-get -s remove packagename to see what else it will take out.
[10:20] <q2> ello
[10:20] <nate> and it looks like there's 11 MB of updates since yesterday
[10:20] <q2> i sayd im workin this out
[10:21] <cef> daniels: just got thru the section on random number generation .. very decent way of explaining it, and how to avoid some of the common pitfalls
[10:21] <spooky1> my pc with ubuntu hangs on power down, is it a fix to this?
[10:22] <q2> micX, the dev thing you sayd worked
[10:22] <q2> my program installed
[10:22] <q2> thanks
[10:22] <cef> spooky1: what's the last thing it says?
[10:22] <micX> q2np. glad tohelpafellow ubuntuer :)
[10:25] <daniels> cef: nice!
[10:43] <ashgan> hi
[10:55] <q2> Hello
[10:56] <paueas> sweet.. so how do i install gnome? apt-get install ____ ?
[10:56] <tuppa> gnome
[10:56] <tuppa> :)
[10:56] <tuppa> I think
[10:56] <paueas> nope
[10:56] <paueas> that doesn't work
[10:56] <Treenaks> paueas: gnome is installed by default?
[10:57] <paueas> well.. its just haning
[10:57] <Treenaks> paueas: "hanging"? where?
[10:57] <paueas> right at the ubuntu splash screen just before you would expect things to start happening
[10:58] <Treenaks> paueas: have you tried starting a "Failsafe xterm" session, and running gnome-session from that to see if there are any error messages?
[10:58] <Mithrandir> paueas: do you have a sound card?
[10:58] <paueas> yeah
[10:58] <paueas> yes i have a sound card
[10:58] <Mithrandir> ok; do you know if it's detected?
[10:58] <paueas> and no i haven't tried failsafe eterm
[10:59] <Treenaks> paueas: try that.. it might give you a clue on where the problem lies
[10:59] <paueas> i doubt it since im getting beeps instead of soudns
[10:59] <subterrific> Treenaks: no, this is a known problem
[10:59] <Treenaks> subterrific: oh ok
[10:59] <paueas> yeah failsafe works
[10:59] <subterrific> paueas: switch to a console and do: lsmod | grep snd
[11:00] <paueas> done
[11:00] <subterrific> see any drivers loaded?
[11:00] <toyowheelin> that 32768 key pair is still being generated
[11:00] <toyowheelin> lol
[11:00] <Treenaks> toyowheelin: uh.. 32kbit GnuPG key? :)
[11:01] <paueas> yeah snd_ intel ac97 pcm mixer timer page alloc gameport mpu401 rawmidi seq 
[11:01] <Treenaks> toyowheelin: what are you trying to protect? :)
[11:01] <toyowheelin> I have a feeling thats gonna be a 10MB dsa key
[11:01] <toyowheelin> ssh key pair
[11:01] <toyowheelin> lol
[11:01] <subterrific> Mithrandir: you know the bug# for this bug?
[11:01] <Mithrandir> subterrific: 1943
[11:01] <subterrific> is there a fix?
[11:02] <Treenaks> ooohh, I can't choose "Copy to another CD" from the context menu of my CD-ROM drive in Nautilus ;)
[11:03] <toyowheelin> Treenaks, do you think thats enough bits?
[11:03] <subterrific> paueas: try this: 
[11:03] <subterrific> gconftool-2 -s -t bool /schemas/desktop/gnome/sound/event_sounds false
[11:04] <subterrific> here is the bug, if you want to read about it https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1943
[11:04] <subterrific> although if you have a sound device present, it could be something else
[11:05] <paueas> subterrific, yeah that didn't do anything
[11:05] <Mithrandir> paueas: try to log in again now
[11:05] <paueas> i did.. still hangs like it did
[11:05] <Mithrandir> paueas: it's normal for commands that succeed to look like nothing happened. :)
[11:06] <subterrific> paueas: you might have to killall -9 gnome-settings-daemon also
[11:06] <toyowheelin> lol my computer is definatly angry at me
[11:06] <subterrific> before relogining in will work
[11:06] <subterrific> hmm, thats a new word
[11:06] <subterrific> relogining
[11:06] <coravel> hi!
[11:07] <toyowheelin> think its been generating this 32kbit key pair for almost a half hour
[11:07] <sabdfl> hey guys, how d I write a shell script that tests if it was passed an argument?
[11:08] <paueas> subterrific, ok so i did that.. now im trying to login again..
[11:08] <paueas> or kill x first so it stops this
[11:08] <deepnarc> sabdfl, "if [[ "$1" ] ] ; then" should work
[11:08] <sabdfl> deepnarc: thanks
[11:08] <subterrific> paueas: ctrl-alt-backspace will kill X
[11:09] <deepnarc> sabdfl, in a bash script (stick a '!' after the first  '[[' if you want to test it was not set)
[11:09] <paueas> yeah.. done.. ok so this is still not doing anything
[11:09] <deepnarc> np
[11:09] <paueas> maybe i should try the failsafe gnome..
[11:09] <sabdfl> deepnarc: erm, ok, so what would the if statement look like if i want it NOT to have an argument?
[11:10] <paueas> so much for failsafe
[11:10] <sabdfl> i SO need to fund a python shell
[11:10] <sabdfl> "shnake"
[11:11] <deepnarc> sabdfl, "if [[ ! "$!" ] ] ; then" , also you still need the other 'else' and final enclosing 'fi' statements for the if clause
[11:11] <sabdfl> thanks deepnarc
[11:11] <daniels> sabdfl: just the interpreter with some neatly-defined functions?
[11:11] <daniels> sabdfl: although cd('~/music') might be a little hard to get used to ;)
[11:12] <deepnarc> np
[11:13] <deepnarc> sabdfl: I just had to check my syntax, here's the one line version-- "if [[ ! $monkeys ] ] ; then echo monkeys not set; else  echo monkeys set; fi"
[11:14] <sabdfl> ok, thanks
[11:14] <sabdfl> daniels: could start there
[11:14] <sabdfl> but i'm thinking of a real shell
[11:15] <topyli> you can use python as your shell i guess
[11:16] <topyli> but not for long, i guess again :)
[11:17] <paueas> any other guesses why this thing is stalling out like this?
[11:17] <subterrific> http://unixnaut.com/skills/Languages/python/pysh.html
[11:17] <daniels> sabdfl: if [ -z "$1" ] ; then echo argument yay; fi
[11:17] <sabdfl> so -z is the same as !?
[11:20] <daniels> sabdfl: -z is "string is zero-length"
[11:20] <daniels> sabdfl: and -n is the inverse
[11:20] <daniels> sabdfl: i believe -z is a lot more posixy
[11:20] <sabdfl> ok thanks
[11:20] <daniels> no worries
[11:22] <q2> PEACE OUT! AND GOODNIGHT!
[11:31] <toyowheelin> Treenaks, you here still?
[11:32] <Treenaks> toyowheelin: yes
[11:33] <toyowheelin> I just found out 32kbit is 3 times higher than military standard 
[11:33] <toyowheelin> :)
[11:33] <toyowheelin> hehe
[11:38] <Treenaks> toyowheelin: that's why I asked what you were trying to protect ;)
[11:40] <nate> hmm
[11:40] <toyowheelin> lol it was more of a thing to see how manny KB or MB the keys would end up being
[11:40] <nate> when I plug a USB-storage camera into my new Ubuntu system, and try to 'lsusb' or 'cat /proc/bus/usb/devices', I get a hang
[11:40] <toyowheelin> and to see how long it would take on my machine to generate
[11:40] <nate> I also get a hang on bootup if I plug in my USB mouse
[11:40] <nate> anyone had similar problems?
[11:41] <Treenaks> nate: sounds like a problem with interrupts
[11:41] <nate> hmm
[11:41] <nate> it did mutter something about ACPI errors when starting
[11:41] <nate> couldn't find... let me check
[11:41] <Treenaks> dmesg | less 
[11:41] <Treenaks> if it has acpi but it doesn't work, try booting with "pci=noacpi"
[11:41] <nate> 'unable to locate RSDP' whatever the heck that is
[11:42] <Treenaks> nate: how old is the machine?
[11:43] <nate> couple years
[11:43] <nate> Celeron 1Ghz, VIA motherboard
[11:43] <nate> was working just fine with Fedora Core 2
[11:44] <Treenaks> Doesn't it say the BIOS is from before 2000, so it won't enable ACPI?
[11:45] <nate> no
[11:45] <nate> it says 'ACPI: unable to locate RSDP'
[11:45] <nate> even if I append 'pci=noacpi' for some reason
[11:45] <akra> is it possible to get gaim to run some irc commands whenever it logs in ?
[11:46] <nate> does it matter if that's appended to the end of the boot line, does the position matter?
[11:46] <Treenaks> it can't find the acpi table for some weird reason... have you enabled ACPI in the BIOS?
[11:46] <lypanov> anyone working on ndiswrapper binaries?
[11:46] <lypanov> its a freaking hecka mess to get 'em compiled manually
[11:47] <Treenaks> ndiswrapper is included in the kernel
[11:47] <Treenaks> afaik
[11:47] <Treenaks> (uh, yes, it is)
[11:47] <lypanov> eek
[11:47] <lypanov> how do i get the tools then?
[11:47] <lypanov> ndiswrapper-utils i guess? :P
[11:47] <Treenaks> probably :)
[11:49] <lypanov> nope. nothing ndiswrapper related unfortunately
[11:49] <lypanov> how did u find that its included?
[11:50] <nate> heh. Good catch. I did have ACPI disabled. Forgot about that
[11:50] <nate> however, now I'm getting a bunch of other errors in startup
[11:50] <nate> it tries to load 'toshiba_acpi' at one point and fails, not surprisingly as this is not a Toshiba
[11:51] <lypanov> strings on my vmlinuz shows no ndis symboll...
[11:51] <nate> but yay, now I have USB
[11:52] <nate> and yay I can see my photos
[11:52] <nate> but something pops up, gthumb perhaps? and helpfully asks if it can import my photos, and then complains there's no camera detected. D'oh.
[11:52] <nate> not that it matters as I can easily browse to them, but still
[11:53] <nate> I think I saw a Bugzilla on this
[11:53] <lypanov> bbl
[11:53] <nate> woo, yay new Eye of Gnome
[11:54] <nate> with the EXIF data showing and stuf
[11:54] <nate> that's already lightyears ahead of what I'm doing currently
[11:58] <DaNeon> hi!
[11:58] <DaNeon> anyone here_
[11:58] <DaNeon> ?
[11:59] <joem> always
[11:59] <topyli> more or less :)
[11:59] <DaNeon> jajaja
[11:59] <DaNeon> question: how can i mount a fat32 partition?
[11:59] <nate> hmm
[12:00] <nate> does it not just do it?
[12:00] <DaNeon> hehehe
[12:00] <nate> I'm sure FAT support is there
[12:00] <DaNeon> i know...
[12:00] <joem> mount -t vfat /dev/xdx /mountpoint
[12:00] <DaNeon> but i can't doit without using root?
[12:00] <nate> you can use sudo
[12:00] <nate> sudo <command-to-run-as-root>
[12:00] <joem> can use sudo, or can add it to your fstab with user permissions
[12:00] <DaNeon> oh!
[12:00] <nate> and give it your user password. Voila.
[12:01] <Dashiva> you can put it in fstab to let do it as a user
[12:01] <DaNeon> last time i edited fstab i screwed it up :S
[12:01] <Dashiva> hehe
[12:01] <Dashiva> like /dev/hdawhatever /mnt/mountpoint  vfat  user,umask=000   0  0
[12:02] <topyli> Dashiva: well, now you know better and backup fstab before breaking it :)
[12:02] <Dashiva> i've never screwed up an fstab
[12:02] <Dashiva> in like 5 years...somehow
[12:02] <topyli> oh sorry it was DaNeon :)
[12:03] <nate> there's also a root shell icon on the Applications menu
[12:03] <nate> cool, after fixing my ACPI sound now works
[12:06] <DaNeon> hey i've mounted but i cant open anything
[12:07] <Treenaks> nate: how did you fix it?
[12:07] <DaNeon> I see the files' names
[12:07] <DaNeon> but i cant open them
[12:07] <DaNeon> and the directories seems like files
[12:09] <Dashiva> hence the umask=000
[12:09] <Dashiva> lets any user modify it
[12:09] <lypanov> hehe
[12:09] <lypanov> i love linux
[12:09] <DaNeon> how can i disable task grouping in the taskbar?
[12:09] <smeggy> Right click on the little handle on the left of it
[12:09] <smeggy> Go to preferences and turn it off.
[12:09] <Treenaks> DaNeon: right-click the "handle bart" thing and select Preferences
[12:11] <lypanov> they should do the [5]  thingy like i implemented in kde
[12:11] <lypanov> so you can see how many are grouped
[12:11] <DaNeon> damn... i can't see where to disable it 
[12:11] <Treenaks> lypanov: uh.. I see File manager (5)
[12:11] <DaNeon> yup
[12:11] <lypanov> oops
[12:12] <lypanov> DaNeon: found it?
[12:12] <lypanov> DaNeon: see the desktop icon, the little thingy next to it?
[12:12] <DaNeon> nope
[12:12] <lypanov> DaNeon: right click on that. go to prefs
[12:12] <lypanov> DaNeon: in the bottom left corner, 3 little dots
[12:12] <DaNeon> ok
[12:12] <DaNeon> now i see
[12:12] <DaNeon> wait
[12:12] <lypanov> Treenaks: oh :)
[12:12] <lypanov> Treenaks: me too now :)
[12:12] <DaNeon> done!
[12:12] <DaNeon> thx
[12:12] <lypanov> Treenaks: clever. i was testing out 640x480 last night :)
[12:13] <lypanov> Treenaks: (my dell needed a modeline :|)
[12:13] <kaya> hi!
[12:13] <DaNeon> all the files and folders has the "foot icon" and a can't open none of them
[12:14] <kaya> well i've just installed ubuntu
[12:14] <lypanov> DaNeon: umask=666 worked for me
[12:14] <DaNeon> welcome to the club
[12:14] <kaya> well, i guess i'll be out of it very soon :(
[12:14] <DaNeon> umask=666??? 
[12:14] <lypanov> kaya: how come?
[12:14] <fred87> i think you mean 666 permsions
[12:15] <DaNeon> ok
[12:15] <DaNeon> wait
[12:15] <lypanov> which is umask... right?
[12:15] <fred87> lypanov, umask 666 = --x--x--x
[12:15] <lypanov> nop
[12:15] <lypanov> rw-rw-rw-
[12:15] <lypanov> i think :P
[12:15] <lypanov> 775 is rwxrwxrw-
[12:16] <lypanov> 555 doh
[12:16] <fred87> chmod 666 = rw-rw-rw-
[12:16] <lypanov> erm
[12:16] <lypanov> urgh
[12:16] <fred87> umask sets the bits which *can not* be set
[12:16] <lypanov> unix sucks :P
[12:16] <lypanov> lol
[12:16] <kaya> well, it has xfree86 with ugly fonts, evolution does not start 
[12:16] <lypanov> kaya: works here. what did you do? :P
[12:17] <kaya> nothing, just set up an pop3 account
[12:17] <kaya> then nothing
[12:17] <kaya> it just hangs for a while then dies
[12:17] <DaNeon> i ran nautilus in sudo to change /mnt/wind permissions, but it doesn't let me do it
[12:17] <kaya> the fonts look really bad- gnome 2.8 looks beautiful though
[12:18] <kaya> by the way, does openoffice have an GTK gui?
[12:19] <kaya> it looks really really great
[12:19] <lypanov> its not gtk no
[12:19] <lypanov> just emulated gtk
[12:19] <fred87> OOo can use Qt
[12:19] <fred87> with NWF
[12:19] <kaya> Qt and KDE is evil :) i dont like them
[12:20] <smeggy> qt is not evil
[12:20] <smeggy> qts licensing is evil
[12:20] <smeggy> qt itself is actually quite nice
[12:20] <kaya> well, imho, kde1 was really nice, then somehow they messed it up, so i gave up on them
[12:20] <fred87> smeggy, um qt is available under the GPL...
[12:21] <fred87> and has been for 3 years iirc
[12:21] <smeggy> yeah but only for noncommercial projects
[12:21] <fred87> no...
[12:21] <smeggy> no?
[12:21] <james> ok.. this is irrritating me.. i want ubuntu on my machine that has sata hd.. i know it works in linux kernel 2.6.x.. as i have some other distro installed atm.. but ubuntu install will not see the damn sata drive
[12:21] <smeggy> maybe im not up to date on these things
[12:21] <fred87> you can make a commercial project with qt, as long as you release the commercial project under the GPL
[12:21] <smeggy> i havent used qt for ages
[12:21] <fred87> same as any other GPL lib
[12:21] <james> is there some funky boot param i must pass?
[12:21] <Mithrandir> james: what kind of chipset do you have?
[12:22] <james> intel ich soemthing, iirc
[12:22] <kaya> by the way, how does this apt-get download software? i uncommented some lines but it's not workin?
[12:22] <DaNeon> now the partition is busy...
[12:22] <DaNeon> and i am not using it...
[12:22] <DaNeon> i can't umount it
[12:23] <james> ich6
[12:23] <james> Mithrandir
[12:23] <kaya> anyway, i'll see ya all- i think i'd better get my good old slackware back running :) this is not for me :)
[12:24] <kaya> take care all of you! :) 
[12:24] <smeggy> cya
[12:24] <smeggy> fellow slacker
[12:24] <smeggy> ;)
[12:24] <kaya> byes
[12:24] <fred87> how many peeps here are actually on slackware?
[12:24] <smeggy> im on ubuntu
[12:24] <smeggy> probably going to switch permanently from slack though
[12:25] <james> i would if i could get it to see me sata hd
[12:25] <james> i love it on this machine.
[12:25] <darksatanic> james: Saw mine first time.
[12:25] <darksatanic> No problem at all. :)
[12:25] <james> hehe
[12:26] <smeggy> same here
[12:26] <DaNeon> rebooting... brb
[12:27] <darksatanic> So far, I'm reasonably impressed.
[12:27] <darksatanic> (That's 12 hours after installation, of which 8 have been sleep :) )
[12:27] <smeggy> i dreamt of gnome 2.8 last night
[12:27] <smeggy> :/
[12:27] <james> i stuck it on my powerbook.. very nice.. glad as hell to get rid of mdk nightmare
[12:31] <opi> re
[12:32] <DaNeon> umount: /mnt/wind: device is busy
[12:32] <opi> DaNeon: -f?
[12:32] <DaNeon> force?
[12:32] <MacPlusG3> DaNeon: have you tried 'lsof|grep "/mnt/wind"' ?
[12:32] <opi> DaNeon: or you have shell/program that uses path
[12:33] <opi> use what MacPlusG3 told you
[12:33] <DaNeon> umount2: Device or resource busy
[12:33] <DaNeon> umount: /dev/hdb5: not mounted
[12:33] <DaNeon> umount: /mnt/wind: Illegal seek
[12:33] <DaNeon> umount2: Device or resource busy
[12:33] <DaNeon> umount: /mnt/wind: device is busy
[12:33] <opi> and see what's blocking it
[12:33] <DaNeon> i've mounted sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hdb5 /mnt/wind
[12:34] <opi> MacPlusG3> DaNeon: have you tried 'lsof|grep "/mnt/wind"' ?
[12:34] <opi> see what is accessing files in /mnt/wind path
[12:35] <DaNeon> i ran grep
[12:35] <DaNeon> :S
[12:35] <DaNeon> still waiting
[12:36] <MacPlusG3> DaNeon: hopefully with the lsof bit at the front
[12:36] <DaNeon> :S
[12:36] <DaNeon> :$
[12:37] <DaNeon> famd      4307       neon   25r   DIR       3,69   32768          1 /mnt/wind
[12:37] <opi> killall famd ;)
[12:38] <opi> whatever famd is ;p
[12:38] <DaNeon> uh?
[12:38] <Kinnison> famd is the tool which watches files for changes.
[12:38] <DaNeon> famd(4307): Operation not permitted
[12:38] <Kinnison> Nautilus uses it to update its windows as soon as changes occur
[12:38] <DaNeon> famd: no process killed
[12:38] <opi> Kinnison: oh, ok
[12:38] <Kinnison> if you ask nautilus to unmount it; it should ask famd to unmonitor
[12:38] <opi> DaNeon: close nautilus window?
[12:38] <DaNeon> ok...
[12:39] <DaNeon> wati
[12:39] <DaNeon> wait
[12:39] <Kinnison> DaNeon: so close nautilus windows; and then go to computer->discs and right-click on the wind mount and choose unmount
[12:39] <james> oh.. i see.. ich6 seems to use the sata_piix module.. which doesnt seem to be on the installer
[12:39] <james> thats just f'ing lovely
[12:39] <james> hehehe
[12:39] <DaNeon> it doesn't appear on discs
[12:40] <opi> try unmount it now
[12:40] <opi> or see if you can force famdeamon to stop 
[12:40] <DaNeon> neon@n2k ~ $ sudo umount /mnt/wind
[12:40] <DaNeon> umount: /mnt/wind: device is busy
[12:40] <DaNeon> umount: /mnt/wind: device is busy
[12:41] <fred87> fuser -m /mnt/winds
[12:41] <DaNeon> the thing is mounted and i can't see it :S
[12:41] <fred87> fuser -m /mnt/wind
[12:41] <Kinnison> sudo /etc/init.d/fam stop; sudo umount /mnt/wind; sudo /etc/init.d/fam start
[12:41] <opi> yes, do what Kinnison sayd :)
[12:42] <DaNeon> done
[12:43] <DaNeon> now, how can i mount /dev/hdb1 & /dev/hdb5 on /mnt/winc /mnt/wind :S?
[12:43] <fred87> sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/winc
[12:43] <DaNeon> i have to edit fstab first :S
[12:43] <fred87> sudo mount /dev/hdb5 /mnt/wind
[12:43] <fred87> not neccesarily
[12:43] <opi> you can use -t option to provide filesystem
[12:44] <DaNeon> i did that... and then... i can't open anything in the mounted partition
[12:44] <opi> what FS type?
[12:44] <DaNeon> all files have the gnome icon
[12:44] <DaNeon> fta32
[12:44] <DaNeon> fat32
[12:44] <opi> if it's VFAT
[12:44] <Kinnison> you need to tell it what user
[12:44] <opi> set prop. UMASK
[12:44] <DaNeon> lemme see
[12:44] <opi> try umask=000 it will give access for everyone ;p
[12:44] <Kinnison> Assuming you're the default user on an ubuntu system specifying "-o uid=1000,gid=1000" will do the trick
[12:45] <DaNeon> where?
[12:45] <opi> -o 
[12:45] <Kinnison> mount -o....
[12:45] <opi> mount -t filesystem -o option,option /dev/what /dir/where
[12:45] <opi> that's why fstab is useful ;)
[12:45] <opi> you do it only once
[12:47] <nate> grr
[12:47] <nate> gpilotd crashed when syncing my Tungsten E
[12:47] <nate> how do I configure it to use an exclude file?
[12:47] <opi> ok, Im login off from my VNC session
[12:47] <DaNeon> ok....
[12:47] <DaNeon> i can see the partition
[12:48] <DaNeon> now: i want to mount the partition everytime the system boots
[12:48] <DaNeon> it is with fstab?
[12:50] <DaNeon> does anybody have the rock eq preset for xmms :$???
[12:52] <will> hi when i mount my vfat hda5 in the fstab it is visible, but not openable what do i do?
[12:52] <will> any one good at fstab?
[12:52] <DaNeon> will, i've been there
[12:52] <will> daNeon: i have it mounted
[12:53] <will> /dev/hda5       /mnt/d          vfat    users           0       2
[12:53] <DaNeon> you have to close famd
[12:53] <will> thats the line in fstab and it mounts it
[12:53] <DaNeon> uhm...
[12:54] <DaNeon> i'm going to edit fstab
[12:54] <DaNeon> i was mounting it manually
[12:54] <DaNeon> you have to add uid=1000,gid=1000 
[12:54] <will> ah and whats that for?
[12:54] <nate> woohoo. Hooray for Google
[12:55] <nate> I now have my Tungsten E syncing to the gpilotd backup conduit
[12:55] <nate> that's better than I've ever got before
[12:55] <smeggy> how did you do it?
 Assuming you're the default user on an ubuntu system specifying "-o uid=1000,gid=1000" will 
[12:55] <will> to apply fstab immediatly type sudo mount -a
[12:55] <smeggy> ive been trying for days with my Tungsten T3
[12:55] <hazmat> anyone else notice issues with unplug and replug of usb devices, and the devices not being useable on subsequent plugins
[12:56] <nate> I found the answer here:
[12:56] <will> where do i enter '-o uid=1000,gid=1000'
[12:56] <nate> http://cpbotha.net/weblogs/cpbotha/archives/000929.html
[12:56] <monkeyc-unb> no issues with USB removable devices here
[12:56] <nate> that's to fix the 'gpilotd crashes when syncing to the backup conduit' bug
[12:56] <smeggy> Cool thanks
[12:56] <nate> which is an issue in pilot-xfer that has been known for ages
[12:57] <hazmat> hmm.. okay.. this is more hid stuff like plugging in keyboard/mice vs. mass storage
[12:57] <nate> the answer is to exclude the jpeg libraries, but it's not documented how to set the exclude file list in gpilotd
[12:57] <nate> this is one of those 'really needs to be in a first-time user HOWTO' issues
[12:57] <nate> oh, also I manually did a modprobe visor before syncing the first time
[12:58] <nate> not sure if I'll need to put that into /etc/modules or not
[12:58] <james> cool.. got it wokring
[12:58] <james> working too
[12:58] <will> DaNeon: where do i enter '-o uid=1000,gid=1000'
[12:58] <DaNeon> guy
[12:58] <DaNeon> in optiones
[12:58] <james> had to modprobe libata and ata_piix
[12:58] <DaNeon> options
[12:58] <will> cheers
[12:58] <will> i have 'users' in options, should i add it before or after this?
[12:58] <nate> now, if only I could figure out why my Daewoo LCD monitor looks so ugly... sadly that's not a Ubuntu problem though
[12:58] <DaNeon> guys, what do i enter in dump & pass in fstab for the two fat32 partitios?
[12:59] <DaNeon> partitions
[12:59] <Kinnison> 0 and 0
[12:59] <DaNeon> both?
[12:59] <Kinnison> yeah
[12:59] <DaNeon> thx!
[12:59] <Kinnison> so something like:
[12:59] <nate> but so far I think I am getting quite happy with Ubuntu / GNOME 2.8
[12:59] <Kinnison> /dev/hdc1 /mnt/winc vfat defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[01:00] <nate> oops
[01:00] <DaNeon> /dev/hdb1       /mnt/winc	vfat    uid=1000,gid=1000	0	0
[01:00] <DaNeon> /dev/hdb5       /mnt/wind	vfat    uid=1000,gid=1000	0	0
[01:01] <will> what does pass do?
[01:01] <DaNeon> i don't know
[01:01] <will> and how are we all tring to do the same thing???!!!!
[01:02] <DaNeon> rebooting
[01:04] <lothario> how far is away is the final release of ubuntu?
[01:08] <Maskie_> release candidate around 13 oct and final around 20 oct
[01:09] <DaNeon> guys, there is no way of removing spatial navigation?
[01:09] <lothario> Maskie: thx ;)
[01:09] <smeggy> DaNeon, turn on Browse mode.
[01:10] <DaNeon> done!
[01:10] <nate> yes
[01:11] <nate> I wish there were a midway between the two modes
[01:11] <nate> like one can configure Windows Explorer to be. A minimalistic toolbar and 'open in same window'
[01:11] <nate> with the option of turning on the tree sidebar or not
[01:11] <joem> turn on browse mode and turn off side pane, status bar and location
[01:12] <DaNeon> ppl. how do i install java in the default folder?
[01:13] <will> do you just want to install java?
[01:14] <will> sudo synaptic install (package)
[01:15] <DaNeon> in the defaul location
[01:15] <DaNeon> default
[01:16] <nate> hmm, synaptic can be run from the command line? That's nice.
[01:17] <DaNeon> lemme see
[01:18] <DaNeon> i see a lot of java
[01:18] <DaNeon> what is the vm?
[01:20] <DaNeon> which one is the vm?
[01:23] <DaNeon> hey ppl... i have read only access to the partitions
[01:29] <ForsaKen`> i am making a mirror, for ubuntu, now i am using rsync, i have read that i must do rsync evry 6 houers, i saw that rsync command has -t (time) but i did not understand how it works, maybe some one could help me with it ?
[01:30] <smeggy> heh no idea
[01:30] <smeggy> man rsync ?
[01:30] <ForsaKen`> thats what i did
[01:30] <ForsaKen`> didnt tell me much ..
[01:32] <smeggy> :/
[01:32] <plovs> ForsaKen`, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/rsync.xml
[01:32] <smeggy> Hmm
[01:33] <smeggy> -times tells it to preserve time stamps
[01:35] <ForsaKen`> thanks
[01:55] <dickmorrell> occy alive? 
[02:09] <micX> dickmorrell, how are you?
[02:10] <dickmorrell> micX, fine
[02:10] <dickmorrell> tired
[02:10] <dickmorrell> but otherwise fine
[02:10] <dickmorrell> lot of project work atm
[02:10] <dickmorrell> apologies for delay of response was in ImageMagick hell
[02:11] <micX> heh. 
[02:11] <dickmorrell> openbsd device I'm working on
[02:11] <dickmorrell> got some issues
[02:12] <micX> dickmorrell, u running ubuntu? how do you find it?
[02:12] <dickmorrell> I have some ubuntu test boxes on a switch alongside my usual boxes
[02:13] <dickmorrell> I'm enjoying it.. its very early days I suppose
[02:13] <dickmorrell> I'm more interested in the security side that being my specialisation
[02:13] <dickmorrell> some silly things like service level gui tools
[02:13] <dickmorrell> although depends if you think where the client is "aimed"
[02:13] <dickmorrell> dont want it too dumbed down
[02:13] <micX> hmm. so how does it look security wise?
[02:14] <dickmorrell> default install is pretty tight
[02:14] <dickmorrell> just xserver issues and some silly logging bits
[02:14] <dickmorrell> will let you know when I've finished hammering it
[02:14] <dickmorrell> will put a box on a DMZ and really really bash it overnight
[02:15] <dickmorrell> ethereal is your friend
[02:15] <micX> sounds good. nice to have your experience looking for holes in ubuntu!
[02:15] <dickmorrell> I really like what the project stands for
[02:15] <dickmorrell> aah an NTL user
[02:15] <dickmorrell> shall I go invisible
[02:16] <micX> who'd ntl?
[02:16] <stevedeo> ?
[02:16] <dickmorrell> my employer
[02:16] <micX> who's even
[02:16] <darksatanic> Big UK ISP
[02:16] <dickmorrell> I am head of security
[02:16] <dickmorrell> for NTL
[02:16] <dickmorrell> hence when I see one login 
[02:16] <dickmorrell> I tend to lurk rather than wait for the "why does my cable modem keep falling over"
[02:17] <stevedeo> hahaha
[02:17] <micX> oh. well that's good. you were scratching back in the sw days... :)
[02:17] <popey> not that I'd ask you if I did
[02:17] <dickmorrell> popey you should see the new NTL 250
[02:17] <dickmorrell> tis nice.. if you like that sort of thing
[02:17] <dickmorrell> bit blue for my liking
[02:17] <dickmorrell> micX, SmoothWall long time ago
[02:17] <darksatanic> dickmorrell: Isn't red faster, though?
[02:18] <dickmorrell> profitable though
[02:18] <micX> bbl
[02:18] <dickmorrell> k
[02:21] <popey> lo lionfish :D
[02:21] <lionfish> lo popey :)
[02:23] <dickm[coding] > popey: you seen Hugo Mills around at all ?
[02:23] <popey> umm
[02:23] <popey> in real world or online?
[02:23] <dickm[coding] > either
[02:23] <dickm[coding] > got a load of wifi gear to donate to him
[02:24] <popey> he is no longer the chairman of the lug if thats why you were offering
[02:24] <dickm[coding] > was down at the uni the other day doing other stuff and couldnt find him
[02:24] <dickm[coding] > nope HantsLUG is of no interest
[02:24] <dickm[coding] > was for the uni
[02:24] <popey> oh ok
[02:24] <darksatanic> dickm[coding] : I'm here. :)
[02:24] <popey> oh hello
[02:25] <darksatanic> The guy you want to speak to is really Mike Saywell,
[02:25] <dickm[coding] > cool
[02:25] <darksatanic> who runs SOWN.
[02:25] <dickm[coding] > I was with Julian Field
[02:25] <dickm[coding] > had bootfull of gear
[02:25] <darksatanic> Ah, so you were one floor below me. :)
[02:25] <dickm[coding] > am moving house
[02:25] <dickm[coding] > no room
[02:25] <dickm[coding] > and wife said you MUST slim down gear
[02:25] <darksatanic> :)
[02:25] <dickm[coding] > oh and Hampshire ambulance
[02:26] <dickm[coding] > asked us to tone it down
[02:26] <darksatanic> Whoops.
[02:26] <dickm[coding] > as we were interupting radios
[02:26] <dickm[coding] > if you can use some BIG dishes
[02:26] <dickm[coding] > email me
[02:26] <dickm[coding] > they are 24db US imports
[02:26] <dickm[coding] > 8 mile radius
[02:26] <popey> !
[02:26] <darksatanic> Next time you're coming down to So'ton, let me know -- I'm usually in the office.
[02:26] <dickm[coding] > am down there a lot
[02:26] <dickm[coding] > using Mailscanner in a pilot at min
[02:27] <dickm[coding] > and trying to sponsor Uni
[02:27] <darksatanic> I'm sure Mike S will know what to do with it. :)
[02:27] <dickm[coding] > Julians either up with me at NTL Hook
[02:27] <dickm[coding] > or I come down there
[02:27] <dickm[coding] > I'll pop along and see you next time
[02:27] <dickm[coding] > right I need to get this code sorted or I will get crucified and given chores to do...
[02:27] <dickm[coding] > dont be a stranger
[02:28] <gafami> aloa :)
[02:28] <gafami> anyone alive/awake?
[02:28] <darksatanic> Not sure.
[02:29] <micX> awake but perhaps not alive...
[02:29] <popey> gwaaan, lemme do it!
[02:30] <popey> charging...
[02:30] <popey> Clear!
[02:30] <mbafk> zap him in the brain
[02:30] <mbafk> the heart is for wusses
[02:30] <cef> heh
I neeeeded thaaaat</lurch>
[02:31] <gafami> ;) quick Q: I tried installing ubuntu on my intel 875p driven system (1 ide-cdrw, 1 ide dvd-rw), but ubuntu complains it cannot find any cd-drive and therefore the ubuntu cd... :\
[02:32] <LinuxJones> gafami, you ned to change the boot order in your bios to 1 of you cd drives
[02:32] <LinuxJones> err need
[02:32] <akra> has anyone managed to get the firefox update to install ?
[02:32] <gafami> LinuxJones... hrmmm oki will try thanks :)
[02:32] <linux_mafia> akra, no, and its not reccomended, you should wait for updated packages
[02:32] <LinuxJones> gafami, ok GL
[02:32] <gafami> thx
[02:33] <akra> why not recommended? it's an xpi isn't it?
[02:34] <linux_mafia> akra, from matt zimmerman, ubuntu devel on mailing list: Updating through firefox itself won't work for security reasons; an updated
[02:34] <linux_mafia> package will be available through synaptic soon.  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1983
[02:34] <akra> ta
[02:34] <linux_mafia> no worries
[02:34] <akra> will have to sort out joining the mailing list with Thunderbird soon
[02:34] <Phr0stByte> Does any1 know how to put an additional input method into Gnome apps?
[02:35] <linux_mafia> akra, yeah its good, the users list, quite heavy traffic though
[02:35] <micX> what's a famd, it's using 92% cpu?
[02:35] <darksatanic> File alteration monitor
[02:35] <LinuxJones> micX, it is a filesystem monitor that monitors disk usage. 
[02:35] <linux_mafia> micX, fucking famd, heh, file alteration monitor
[02:35] <darksatanic> It watches for changes to the filesystem.
[02:36] <darksatanic> Badly.
[02:36] <micX> hmm. not good. can I kill it?
[02:36] <LinuxJones> micX, ya kill it
[02:36] <linux_mafia> micX, only required for nfs and the like iirc, so if not needed go ahead
[02:38] <micX> well, it's gone. thought things were sluggish...
[02:39] <linux_mafia> micX, apparently this is to replace it, http://www.gnome.org/~veillard/gamin i know it is going to soon/now in fedora, not sure what ubuntu devels are planning though
[02:39] <akra> clearly this isn't my day with find... where's the sound files for gaim kept?
[02:40] <Phr0stByte> Does any1 know how to put an additional input method into Gnome apps?
[02:40] <linux_mafia> akra, you could look like this: dpkg -L gaim
[02:40] <LinuxJones> akra, /usr/share/sounds/gaim 
[02:40] <akra> cheers both
[02:41] <linux_mafia> no worries
[02:41] <akra> the current sound for when my name appears is too "scary" :)
[02:41] <Phr0stByte> lol
[02:41] <linux_mafia> akra, that kind of demon moaning sound?
[02:42] <akra> yeah - redalert.wav
[02:43] <linux_mafia> fucking freaked the shit out of me one night when i was in bed nearly asleep, i'd never heard it before, didn't know what the hell it was
[02:43] <linux_mafia> didn't even realise it was coming from the comp at first
[02:43] <akra> that was me yesterday :)
[02:43] <akra> couldn't work out which window had a fatal error in it...
[02:46] <akra> is there a way to teach gaim to automatically identify me with nickserv?
[02:46] <opi^work> re
[02:46] <Phr0stByte> Does anyone know how to enable the scroll wheel on a mouse if it is not working?
[02:46] <opi^work> akra: I do not know about Gaim, but XChat have special input box at server list
[02:47] <fred87> add 'Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"' to either /etc/X11/XF86Config or /etc/X11/XOrg.conf in the mouse section
[02:47] <opi^work> Phr0stByte: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[02:47] <micX> Phr0stByte, was it plugged in during install?
[02:47] <Phr0stByte> opi^work: tried that - no dice
[02:48] <Phr0stByte> micX: no
[02:48] <opi^work> Phr0stByte: we're talking about XF or x.org?
[02:48] <LinuxJones> Phr0stByte, you can add Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
[02:48] <Phr0stByte> XF
[02:48] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, what mouse?
[02:48] <opi^work> Phr0stByte: use ZAxis as others advices you
[02:49] <Phr0stByte> HP optical scroll wheel mouse (kinda generic) PS/2
[02:49] <micX> Phr0stByte, did you restart X after adding the ZaxisMapping?
[02:50] <akra> http://gaim.sourceforge.net/faq.php is my friend in this case :)
[02:50] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, can you paste mouse part from XF86Config-4 in #flood?
[02:50] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: sure - just a sec
[02:51] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: its there
[02:52] <opi^work> I've pasted mine Phr0stByte 
[02:52] <linux_mafia> id say opi^work's looks correct to me
[02:53] <opi^work> linux_mafia: and it works here ;)
[02:53] <opi^work> Phr0stByte: you could try change /dev/psaux with /dev/input/mice
[02:53] <linux_mafia> mine is the same except "/dev/input/mice" because i have a usb mouse
[02:53] <opi^work> Phr0stByte: because of 2.6.x
[02:54] <linux_mafia> opi^work, oh, i thought "/dev/input/mice" was for usb mice, is it for any type?
[02:54] <opi^work> linux_mafia: it's more a change with udev/devfs
[02:54] <linux_mafia> gotya
[02:54] <opi^work> linux_mafia: mouses are now in /dev/input/mouse0, 1, 2
[02:54] <linux_mafia> mouses
[02:55] <linux_mafia> heh
[02:55] <opi^work> but i have /dev/psaux just because I used to it ;)
[02:56] <linux_mafia> man i remember the first time i had to get my usb mouse going in debian, jeeze, had to mknod and all
[02:56] <Phr0stByte> gunna reboot now and test
[02:56] <opi^work> linux_mafia: true, I had to give up my USB mouse ;)
[02:56] <LinuxJones> linux_mafia, ya I remember that :D
[02:56] <Phr0stByte> restart X i mean
[02:56] <micX> I gave up and put the adapter on...
[02:57] <linux_mafia> micX, quitter ;)
[02:58] <opi^work> I've exchanged mouse with friend at work ;)
[02:58] <opi^work> I don't use mouse mutch anyway
[02:58] <linux_mafia> ooh, 1337 cli user ;)
[02:59] <opi^work> linux_mafia: nope, I have my XFce here ;)
[02:59] <opi^work> linux_mafia: but I use mouse only to rise window, change tab in mozilla ;)
[02:59] <linux_mafia> xfce, hmmm, so many people swear by it, i must try sometime
[03:00] <opi^work> linux_mafia: nice, clean and fast
[03:00] <opi^work> linux_mafia: few nice plugins, GTK so it feels almost Gnomish
[03:01] <opi^work> linux_mafia: lodas in 2 secs on my P2@500 at work
[03:01] <opi^work> linux_mafia: http://www.opi.mnc.pl/debian.jpg ;)
[03:01] <opi^work> linux_mafia: or http://www.opi.mnc.pl/xfce.jpg
[03:02] <opi^work> linux_mafia: tfu. http://www.opi.mnc.pl/xfce4.png ;p
[03:03] <linux_mafia> looks good
[03:03] <Phr0stByte> micX: Got it - thanx
[03:03] <Phr0stByte> linux-mafia: thanx
[03:03] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: thanx
[03:03] <Phr0stByte> rather
[03:04] <linux_mafia> for what?
[03:04] <Phr0stByte> scroll wheel
[03:04] <Phr0stByte> its working
[03:04] <opi^work> good
[03:04] <linux_mafia> oh, yeah , sweet, love to help
[03:04] <micX> cool...
[03:04] <opi^work> we're the community of Ubuntu, resistance.. err.. ;)
[03:05] <Phr0stByte> after i wdited the input device section, I had forgotten to change it in the server layout
[03:05] <Phr0stByte> *edited
[03:05] <Phr0stByte> I got a bigger fish to fry now
[03:06] <Phr0stByte> Any1 know how to add an input method for Gnome apps
[03:06] <Phr0stByte> ?
[03:06] <linux_mafia> input method?
[03:07] <opi^work> Im not mutch Gnome user, so I can't help :P
[03:07] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: yeah - right click where you type in a messege in Xchat - see input method in the drop list
[03:08] <linux_mafia> ok, but you want to do that in other apps? what language?
[03:08] <Phr0stByte> opi^work: sorry to hear that. Even sorrier if you use kde
[03:08] <linux_mafia> hahahahah
[03:08] <opi^work> Phr0stByte: none of them
[03:08] <opi^work> Phr0stByte: both are using to mutch resources for my work
[03:09] <opi^work> Phr0stByte: XFce at home and Ion at work
[03:09] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: I want to add japanese. You can check that list in most Gnome apps - its the same for all - gaim. Evolution, Gedit, etc
[03:10] <Phr0stByte> opi^work:glad to hear your not a KDEer
[03:10] <Phr0stByte> =)
[03:11] <opi^work> Phr0stByte: I think both DE are OK
[03:11] <opi^work> Phr0stByte: holy wars are silly
[03:11] <Phr0stByte> opi^work: Not warring - just dont like it
[03:11] <opi^work> I use, what I like, I support who I like
[03:12] <opi^work> there's too mutch people who thinks that thier way of view is the best one for whole community
[03:12] <opi^work> and Im far too old to trust them ;p
[03:12] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: I added korean - ??? - cant get Japanese though....
[03:12] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, there is no method like that for multibyte characters, ie hangul, hanzi
[03:13] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, oh you added hangul
[03:13] <linux_mafia> hmmm
[03:13] <linux_mafia> i thought you needed special input programs for characters, like xcin for chinese
[03:14] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: I could do it easily under Mdk, but I am not familiar with Debian based systems yet....
[03:15] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: I have a jserver starting at boot - I think I need to add the locale
[03:15] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, just right click, input -> katagana etc? under mdk?
[03:15] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: YES
[03:15] <linux_mafia> hmmm
[03:15] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: I am not sure how to add the locale
[03:15] <linux_mafia> not too sure, check this out though, may help http://im-ja.sourceforge.net/
[03:16] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, dpkg-reconfigure locales
[03:16] <linux_mafia> sudo first of course
[03:17] <linux_mafia> any help?
[03:22] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: thanx - I am checking that page you refered me to...
[03:25] <opi^work> Ok, Im going for another mug of tea ;p
[03:29] <jamesdorn> Anyone know about the PPC iso?
[03:29] <hazmat> jamesdorn, what about it?
[03:29] <jamesdorn> hazmat: I cannot seem to burn it.
[03:30] <jamesdorn> hazmat: Disk-Utility doesnt even launch when it's mounted to the desktop
[03:30] <hazmat> jamesdorn, i used a nightly last week and burned it with disk utility..
[03:30] <jamesdorn> If it's not mounted, and I tell disk-utility to burn an image... select the image... disk-utility crashes
[03:31] <jamesdorn> hazmat: where can I find the nightly's?
[03:31] <jamesdorn> I was searching for them, couldnt find em =)
[03:31] <hazmat> jamesdorn, their linked from the web page .... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[03:31] <hazmat> understandable though..
[03:33] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: got it! ????
[03:33] <jamesdorn> Thanks hazmat
[03:33] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, got what?
[03:33] <linux_mafia> input?
[03:33] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: japanese and korean input
[03:33] <jamesdorn> the stock mac image is screwed up =) big time.
[03:34] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, what was the magic?
[03:34] <Phr0stByte> Installing the package on that web site
[03:34] <Phr0stByte> the - im-ja stuff
[03:35] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, sweet, perhaps you or I could put a link on the wiki
[03:35] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, what country are you from?
[03:35] <Phr0stByte> the korean I did last night. I tried so many things, I am actually confused as to what made it work
[03:36] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: I am American, but my wife is korean and bitches about not being able to input ko and ja
[03:36] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, you in korea now? soldier? 
[03:37] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: No - I am in Virginia
[03:37] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: I was married in Korea - lived there three years working on a contract
[03:39] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, do have a fiery kimchi ring right now? ;)
[03:39] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: lol - dont touch the stuff
[03:40] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: Love Soju though
[03:40] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, kidding? kimchi rules, and sam gyap sal, yeah, somac is the shit
[03:41] <pupilzeng> Hi, all 
[03:41] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: Never liked korean food - love Japanese food though
[03:41] <pupilzeng> I've update to ubuntu from sid successfully, but there is still some problems
[03:42] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, i'm exact opposite, i love korean beacuse of all the chilli and garlic, you speak korean?
[03:42] <pupilzeng> The first: how to disable root account?
[03:43] <pupilzeng> The second: what's the visodu like?
[03:43] <opi^work> pupilzeng: it's disabled by default
[03:43] <opi^work> pupilzeng: use sudo to do root stuff
[03:43] <linux_mafia> opi^work, not after upgrade from sid
[03:43] <opi^work> ih
[03:43] <opi^work> oh
[03:44] <opi^work> sorry I haven't read whole text
[03:44] <opi^work> give root bin/false user?
[03:44] <pupilzeng> I've no idea
[03:44] <pupilzeng> what's your setting?
[03:45] <linux_mafia> pupilzeng, i enabled root, heh
[03:45] <pupilzeng> How did you enable root?
[03:46] <linux_mafia> pupilzeng, root is not disabled in ubuntu, just it has no password set
[03:46] <linux_mafia> pupilzeng, all i did was set the password, actual root, not sudo, was needed for something i was doing
[03:47] <pupilzeng> linux_mafia: oh, what's your sudo setting?
[03:48] <linux_mafia> what do you mean? for my user?
[03:48] <nux> hi everybody
[03:49] <linux_mafia> pupilzeng, the first user you set up on a ubuntu install is given ALL=(ALL) ALL in /etc/sudoers, they are like the admin
[03:49] <lothario> does the usb hotplug work for a stick drive yet?
[03:49] <linux_mafia> lothario, yes
[03:49] <pupilzeng> I learned from the website of ubuntu that the first user have adminstrator privillege with sudo, so I want to know how to set this
[03:50] <lothario> i tried two installs and couldn't make it work ;(
[03:50] <linux_mafia> pupilzeng, just edit /etc/sudoers and add the line - <username> ALL=(ALL) ALL
[03:51] <lothario> otherwise, the ubuntu was brilliant on my machine
[03:51] <linux_mafia> lothario, what type of box
[03:51] <nux> i'm busy downloading ubunto iso for i386 - it seems like there is only 1 iso of 519M...  is that right?
[03:51] <pupilzeng> linux_mafia: thanks, it's very similar with what i've done
[03:51] <linux_mafia> nux, yes
[03:52] <lothario> pentium III 800mhz 
[03:52] <nux> why so small?  where can i find a catalogue of software included in ubuntu?
[03:53] <jblack> Ubuntu hit the top of slashdot again
[03:53] <Solatis> you've been slashdotted again! :)
[03:53] <Solatis> well, in a few minutes
[03:54] <linux_mafia> lothario, no, i mean brand, chipset, etc
[03:54] <pupilzeng> My mplayer now can't work after upgrade. I've recompiled it, but no effects
[03:55] <pupilzeng> the version of mplayer is 1.0pre5
[03:55] <deadchip> where does the name ubuntu come from?
[03:55] <deadchip> ah nvm -> website
[03:55] <pupilzeng> it worked fine on sid just before upgrading
[03:57] <linux_mafia> is the average reader of slashdot a complete fuckface? basically all i ever see in the comments about basically anything, is whinging, negative comments, or a "x is crap, you should use y" type rant
[03:57] <nux> does anyone know if ubuntu works under vmware?
[03:57] <moyogo> has anyone tried skype?
[03:57] <moyogo> i mean. on ubuntu?
[03:58] <deadchip> linux_mafia: well they mostly are
[03:58] <deadchip> that's part of the program
[03:58] <linux_mafia> heh
[03:59] <deadchip> look slashdot -> new article -> rub hands, get into troll mood -> write comment -> return to main loop and continue
[03:59] <lothario> linux_mafia:thx, mainboard usis SiS 630 chipset i think brand is PC133
[03:59] <linux_mafia> lothario, usb chipset?
[04:01] <linux_mafia> does this link work for others http://www.desktopos.com/reviews.php?op=showcontent&id=19
[04:01] <julia> weird
[04:01] <julia> I can login fine at the local system
[04:01] <julia> but with XDMCP it takes 20 minutes to login
[04:02] <lothario> linux_mafia: sorry, I dunno chipset for usb
[04:02] <superted> linux_mafia: most lightly it's /.'ed
[04:02] <linux_mafia> nah, it says it contains no data
[04:03] <linux_mafia> or is that because its basically being dos'd
[04:03] <jsubl2> linux_mafia, i think they have been slashdotted
[04:04] <linux_mafia> b grade
[04:04] <linux_mafia> z grade even
[04:04] <jsubl2> linux_mafia, the link comes up if you wait for ever
[04:04] <Phr0stByte> Anyone here have a Wacom drawing tablet?
[04:05] <linux_mafia> jsubl2, got it
[04:07] <nux> what is the kernel version of Warty Warthog?
[04:07] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: Sorry - stepped out for a bit - Yes I speak a fair amount of Korean
[04:08] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: (After all, I have a live in tutor)
[04:08] <linux_mafia> jsubl2, thats a pretty positive review
[04:08] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: Can even read and write it
[04:09] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, thats the easy part
[04:09] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, simpler than english i feel
[04:09] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: Yeah - but it help if you are studying from books
[04:09] <lothario> [SiS]  USB 1.0 Controller
[04:09] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: I would think so too
[04:10] <jsubl2> linux_mafia, yeah it is.  he said he will review again after using it for awhile
[04:10] <linux_mafia> Phr0stByte, king sejong was a pretty fuckin smart dude
[04:11] <Phr0stByte> linux_mafia: jep
[04:12] <dieman> jesus, another ubuntu review.
[04:12] <dieman> :)
[04:14] <giorsat> proble installing ubuntu in a computer with sis chipset. at first boot it hangs on usb.rc. on booting in failsafe it gives a usb 1-1: control timeout on ep0in error. I know for sure that pcmcia must be disabled since 1 boot because it hangs kernel 2.6 - how to tell grub not to load pcmcia? what about the usb error?
[04:16] <Phr0stByte> Anyone here have a Wacom drawing tablet?
[04:17] <ama> whats the direction of ubuntu
[04:17] <linux_mafia> north
[04:17] <Phr0stByte> lol
[04:17] <nux> forward i hope
[04:19] <linux_mafia> ama, what exactly are you trying to ask?
[04:20] <ama> going towards a mandrake like user friendly distribution, as in with an easy gui installation
[04:20] <opi^work> ama: third way
[04:20] <ama> or more of a debian based distribution, that has a menu driven install
[04:20] <opi^work> ama: powerful distro, that is easy to use
[04:21] <ama> whats that way?
[04:21] <morteoh> i don't like gui-installs
[04:21] <ama> i like the option of them
[04:21] <ama> i dont like debians installation
[04:21] <opi^work> ama: why?
[04:21] <ama> i do like mandrakes installation 
[04:21] <opi^work> ama: what's wrong with it?
[04:21] <ama> because debians installation, was broken for me 
[04:21] <topyli> ama: they are the same
[04:21] <ama> last time i used it
[04:21] <opi^work> ama: in witch way?
[04:21] <ama> and debians installation is far to complex and un intuitive
[04:22] <ama> the last time i installed debian i chose both gdm and kdm by accident and the installation failed
[04:22] <ama> with no useful error message
[04:22] <ama> and i figure from that point foward, it wasnt worth my time
[04:22] <hazmat> ama,  agreed.
[04:22] <opi^work> I've installed Debain more than 10 times
[04:22] <opi^work> DebInstaller never failed me
[04:22] <Guest-3fb> Only joined cause I was curious how this channel getting slashdotted affected it's size.
[04:22] <morteoh> ama: was that with the old installer? or the new?
[04:22] <hazmat> ama, i have had the same issues with debian in the past.... i went ahead and started using gentoo
[04:23] <ama> i use gentoo now too
[04:23] <ama> morteoh i believe it was old 
[04:23] <hazmat> the commercial debians i tried storm linux, progeny prominently went bust with their distros.. ;-)
[04:23] <opi^work> ama: but Gento has NO installer
[04:23] <hazmat> although i guess now progeny is back
[04:23] <morteoh> ama: the new one i way better (the on ubuntu is based on)
[04:23] <ama> indeed it dosnt opi^work
[04:23] <hazmat> opi^work, but it has clear instructions
[04:23] <hazmat> debian has a twisty maze of documentation... 
[04:23] <hazmat> can't see the path but for the trees
[04:24] <opi^work> ama: so you like Madrake installer, because it's easy, Debain installer is broken, but Gentoo without installer is better? ;-)
[04:24] <topyli> debian is the one that _has_ documentation :)
[04:24] <ama> debians installer was broken though
[04:24] <ama> and it was too complex choosing packages
[04:24] <ama> mandrakes installer is easy, and powerful
[04:24] <topyli> mandrake is nice, yes.
[04:24] <opi^work> ama: but then you have Desktop with RPM-hell
[04:24] <ama> i do 
[04:24] <tortoise__> slacks is very good, simple
[04:24] <nux> yast2 is the best installer ever
[04:25] <ama> thats why i switched 
[04:25] <opi^work> ama: I would never use something RPM based
[04:25] <topyli> well, installers are not something you're supposed to be using every day.
[04:25] <topyli> although i can see why mandrake and redhat need a friendly installer. you use them a lot =)
[04:25] <hazmat> opi^work, the rpm distros have gotten much better over the years.. urpmi is fairly nice.
[04:26] <linux_mafia> opi^work, ah its not so bad these days with apt4rpm
[04:26] <opi^work> but it's still lacking
[04:26] <topyli> and urpmi
[04:26] <opi^work> Im using swaret/slapt-get with Slackware
[04:26] <opi^work> and it's still not the same effect as I've got with my Debian box
[04:26] <linux_mafia> opi^work, "but it's still lacking" was that to me?
[04:27] <opi^work> it's a little bit easier with installation and upgrade process
[04:27] <opi^work> linux_mafia: RPM-apt-alikness still lacking :)
[04:27] <topyli> apt-rpm still installs rpms :)
[04:27] <opi^work> ;p
[04:28] <linux_mafia> opi^work, but it is "apt" it just deals with rpms, its honestly not bad, you are starting to be able to dist-upgrade with it too now, with fedora anyway
[04:29] <linux_mafia> i'm not trying to push rpms by the way, im a deb man through and through
[04:29] <ggi> Ah, a Slashdot headline. That's why this channel's apparently turned to crap.
[04:29] <topyli> linux_mafia: and mandrake's urpmi works very well too. i'm not sure if i'd try to upgrade the whole system with it though.
[04:30] <opi^work> linux_mafia: having a RPM based distro with some kind of APT emulation ;-) and Debian/Gentoo with real thing (portage, when it comes to Gentoo;-) i'll stick with orginal ones :P
[04:30] <ermina> Hi all
[04:30] <topyli> ggi: hooray slashdot!
[04:30] <linux_mafia> ggi, whats crap about it?
[04:30] <opi^work> but, as I sayd -- everyone can pick what suits'em :)
[04:31] <ermina> can i ask some questions??
[04:31] <opi^work> ermina: don't ask to ask
[04:31] <topyli> just aks
[04:31] <topyli> ask even
[04:31] <laotse> isn't a slashdot headline a good thing? I would think that a new distro that wants users would enjoy some publicity.
[04:31] <timv> Not for whoever pays for the hosting
[04:31] <ermina> I want to install an internal modem, with hsf chipset, I've downloaded a driver from linuxant
[04:31] <topyli> laotse: there are side effects like distro wars :)
[04:31] <linux_mafia> laotse, but they might not be 1337 enough, ;)
[04:32] <acid420> hell0 there
[04:32] <laotse> is there a distro war going on?
[04:32] <ermina> but how to install the hsfmodem???.deb
[04:32] <ggi> Well, I reckon a channel is better when there are fewer smiley faces. They bother me. I'm sorry.
[04:32] <acid420> could sometell me if there are plans to have a sparc port ?
[04:33] <laotse> I'm rather distro agnostic myself. I have debian on my dev server upstairs and fedora core 2 on my laptop, and there's an older laptop around here somewhere with crux on it.
[04:33] <linux_mafia> ggi, why ;)
[04:34] <topyli> personally, i get frightened when people are Lauging Out Loud when just reporting a problem or something lol
[04:34] <linux_mafia> topyli, heh
[04:34] <ggi> linux_mafia: Grr! Just kidding. It was probably just the random idiots dissing apt.
[04:35] <linux_mafia> acid420, http://ensilinx1.imag.fr/wiki/index.php/UbuntuSparc
[04:35] <tuxakka> hi, I installed warty and just found out that packages doesn't include firewall-gui is there warty's own tool for iptables?
[04:35] <linux_mafia> acid420, its amazing what google does 
[04:35] <giorsat> anyone can tell me where to find help for a problem with installation? I have a computer broken down right now and don't know what to do...
[04:36] <linux_mafia> tuxakka, no
[04:36] <ggi> giorsat: Well, here, I guess. Ask away.
[04:36] <linux_mafia> tuxakka, because firewall is not enabled by default, there are no open ports
[04:36] <linux_mafia> tuxakka, only portmap internally
[04:37] <tuxakka> my warty at least listen many ports
[04:37] <giorsat> well. first problem. I must say grub during installation not to load pcmcia because it hangs everything. what's the command line?
[04:37] <topyli> tuxakka: how did you test? lots of services like x listen to localhost
[04:38] <topyli> test remotely
[04:38] <tuxakka> netstat -an | grep LISTEN
[04:38] <acid420> nice :))
[04:38] <tuxakka> at least 111 and 25 are listen
[04:38] <ggi> giorsat: Add 'nopcmcia' to the boot line.
[04:39] <giorsat> thank you. sorry if i sound dumb
[04:39] <linux_mafia> tuxakka, so? listen is not open -> accepting
[04:39] <ermina> ggi : how can I install an hsfmodem ?? I have the driver but I don't know what to do
[04:40] <tuxakka> ok I try with other machine what nmap and nessus says
[04:40] <topyli> tuxakka: 111 is portmap, 25 is smtp. you have to have them listening to localhost
[04:40] <topyli> try sygate or another scan
[04:40] <giorsat> second problem. I have this strange usb 1-1: control timeout on ep0in during first boot. sis chipset. it does the same on all latest kernel while on mdk10 (2.6.3) nothing happens. what can I do?
[04:40] <linux_mafia> ermina, you willing to pay? where did you get the driver you have?
[04:41] <ermina> I have it from linuxant, the free one
[04:41] <tuxakka> nmap said 111/tcp    open        sunrpc
[04:41] <linux_mafia> ermina, the .deb package?
[04:42] <ermina> linux_mafia : yes
[04:42] <ggi> giorsat: That's sometimes fine. I've had it before with a sis chipset. Does your usb work?
[04:42] <topyli> tuxakka: where did you do the nmap? locally? you're not listening :)
[04:43] <tuxakka> I suppose that debian's firestarter won't install warty?
[04:43] <topyli> sure it does
[04:43] <tuxakka> I nmapped with an another machine of course
[04:43] <topyli> oh
[04:44] <ermina> linux_mafia : what should I do with the .deb file? I'm a newbie
[04:44] <topyli> tuxakka: i have firestarter right here, works fine
[04:44] <topyli> from unstable
[04:44] <tuxakka> ok I try that
[04:44] <linux_mafia> ermina, dpkg -i <packagename> its all in the install docs though
[04:45] <giorsat> difficult to say. my computer stops booting
[04:45] <giorsat> does noapic nolapic helps?
[04:45] <ermina> oke I will try that, thanks linux_mafia
[04:45] <giorsat> if I add them to grub it gives me an error . why?
[04:45] <linux_mafia> dosen't anyone read or google anymore? sheesh
[04:45] <ggi> giorsat: Yeah, possibly. Try with 'acpi=off' as well.
[04:45] <linux_mafia> ermina, http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/hsf/install.php
[04:46] <ggi> giorsat: What error?
[04:46] <giorsat> ok. but how to do it
[04:46] <giorsat> if i add a command line on grub it gives me error
[04:47] <giorsat> error n.17 or 27 . I don't remember and computer is at work
[04:47] <ggi> giorsat: You could try editing the boot line on startup (by pressing 'e' or whatever). Or edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:47] <giorsat> and write
[04:47] <giorsat> noapic
[04:47] <giorsat> nolapic
[04:48] <giorsat> nopcmcia
[04:48] <giorsat> acpi=off
[04:48] <giorsat> is that a right order?
[04:49] <Treenaks> order doesn't matter
[04:49] <ggi> giorsat: Add any kernel options to the line that starts with '# kopt' in /boot/grub/menu.lst . Then run 'update-grub'. The order doesn't matter, as far as I'm aware.
[04:49] <giorsat> thank to you all
[04:50] <giorsat> last wuestion. I always used mandrake and k3b is fantastic. what's the application to write data audio cd in gnome? nautilus for data but I dont' know what to do for audio and dvd
[04:50] <linux_mafia> giorsat, k3b ;)
[04:50] <giorsat> what do you use graphically?
[04:51] <giorsat> does it require kde libraries right?
[04:51] <linux_mafia> giorsat, i use k3b
[04:51] <ions|away> giorsat: unfortunately you're not going to find anything as good as k3b for gnome
[04:51] <linux_mafia> giorsat, of course
[04:52] <linux_mafia> giorsat, its in universe
[04:52] <ions|away> also unfortunately if you want k3b you need a helluva lot of KDE baggage
[04:52] <topyli> k3b drags along a big bunch of dependencies, but it's your best bet
[04:53] <linux_mafia> only kdelibs-data and kdebase-bin
[04:53] <giorsat> well...thank you. when will you think there'll be a gnome3b? and when is due next ubuntu release?
[04:53] <ions|away> yeah *only*
[04:54] <linux_mafia> what?
[04:54] <linux_mafia> your point is?
[04:54] <ions|away> those are significant packages
[04:54] <linux_mafia> and
[04:54] <ions|away> it also whines about needing arts
[04:54] <ions|away> and that's a complete pain
[04:54] <ions|away> for someone who has no interest in putting kde on their machine
[04:55] <linux_mafia> ions|away, do you have a tiny hdd?
[04:55] <ions|away> no, but I have no interest in wasting space either
[04:56] <topyli> linux_mafia: that's not the point. you support the packages you have installed. and i have no idea what to do to kde when it breaks
[04:56] <giorsat> k3b gives some errors on loading.. maybe it's better old xcdroast
[04:56] <dommi> X just crashed.  I can move the mouse but cant type.  The mouse is also not switching to my second monitor.  Nor is the mouse cursor changing on event
[04:56] <jensens> isnt kde almost the same as the kde form sarge?
[04:56] <dommi> I cant ssh into the box.  any ideas?
[04:57] <jensens> dommi: sshd installed? started?
[04:57] <giorsat> last question. any idea for next ubuntu release? weeks or months?
[04:57] <dommi> it is, not sure if I started it
[04:57] <cybrjackle|lappy> anyone having evo crashing on them?
[04:58] <topyli> giorsat: it's always six months
[04:58] <ggi> giorsat: October the 20th, for the proper Warty release.
[04:58] <topyli> giorsat: but the first one isn't released yet, so that's probably weeks
[04:58] <linux_mafia> those kde deps are < 30MB, and you are not "installing kde", just enough to run k3b, k3b breaks ditch it, it wont affect core system stabilty
[04:58] <tehmiller> i hate you guys! i hate ubuntu! hate it! it proved me wrong about debian based distros :(
[04:59] <giorsat> I find ubuntu much better than fedora. and it's only a preview...
[04:59] <tehmiller> i was happy in my little anti-debian world, and then ubuntu had to go and blow it all up
[04:59] <topyli> linux_mafia: yes. it's cruft anyways. i'd be happier without it
[04:59] <ions|away> heh
[05:00] <giorsat> not to tell the cleaner gnome desktop instead of messy kde
[05:00] <topyli> tehmiller: sorry to hear that =)
[05:00] <tehmiller> question though, would it mess up anything ubuntu related if i installed the gtkmm and gnomemm libs from debian sid, so as to get the hardware monitor applet?
[05:00] <topyli> tehmiller: you can hate suse or something now.
[05:00] <linux_mafia> topyli, how do you burn audio cds? at the cli? or other gtk based app? is gtoaster still in devel do you know? i used to like that
[05:01] <topyli> linux_mafia: k3b :D
[05:01] <tehmiller> topyli, already do, and mdk too
[05:01] <richnrockvillemd> From a Newbie: When they come out with a new build of Ubuntu, what will I need to do to upgrade my existing installs? 
[05:01] <linux_mafia> tehmiller, yes, hate suse
[05:01] <giorsat> the same computer with sis chipset (isn't kernel 2.6 a little more troubling than old 2.4?) doesn't allow fedora even to start installing
[05:01] <linux_mafia> richnrockvillemd, apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:01] <Qo-noS> there are quite a few competent gtk cd burning apps...it just takes some effort  hunting them down ;) e.g. GnomeBaker, gcdw, Eclipt Eroaster, gcombust and soon-to-come Coaster-gui > www.coaster-burn.org and Optimystic > htttp://www.dropline.net/
[05:02] <richnrockvillemd> apt-get dist-upgrade??  I am guessing that all I have to do is to open a terminal window and type that?
[05:02] <tehmiller> richnrockvillemd, yes
[05:02] <topyli> Qo-noS: eroaster is very broken in unstable i'm afraid.
[05:02] <richnrockvillemd> thanks, appreciate the info. Now if I can remember it :)
[05:02] <linux_mafia> Qo-noS, coaster-gui is to be relesed with the stable version of the hurd
[05:02] <topyli> the others don't do all the stuff k3b and eroaster do
[05:03] <topyli> rofl
[05:03] <Qo-noS> topyli: is is but it was GREAT when it worked a few months ago ;)
[05:03] <topyli> sure.
[05:03] <linux_mafia> topyli, what are you rofl about?
[05:03] <topyli> the hurd and coaster-gui
[05:04] <linux_mafia> oh, heh
[05:04] <Qo-noS> linux_mafia: Joey hess has the libbakery stuff packaged or was it somebody else hmmm but i know the dependent libarries are being taken care of ;)
[05:04] <tehmiller> herd
[05:04] <linux_mafia> herd?
[05:04] <linux_mafia> whats that?
[05:05] <topyli> hurd. it's going to replace linux Real Soon
[05:05] <Qo-noS> Debian GNU/Hurd...several servers running on top of the GNU Mach microkernel
[05:05] <cybrjackle|lappy> topyli, don't think so
[05:05] <cybrjackle|lappy> real soon = decade ?
[05:06] <Qo-noS> cybrjackle|lappy: maybe give it a century...it should do so by then ;)
[05:06] <topyli> oh, in a decade they'll boot
[05:06] <linux_mafia> i know what the hurd is, but tehmiller said herd
[05:06] <cybrjackle|lappy> lol
[05:06] <tehmiller> sorry
[05:06] <tehmiller> habit, thought it was a misspelling
[05:06] <tehmiller> and in gentoo there are the pacakge herds
[05:06] <cybrjackle|lappy> anyone use evolution
[05:07] <tehmiller> <--- gentoo person by nature
[05:07] <tehmiller> yes cybrjackle|lappy 
[05:07] <cybrjackle|lappy> you haveing problems opening it
[05:07] <linux_mafia> recursive acronym : hurd of unix replicating daemons
[05:07] <topyli> actually, hurd = herd of unix-replacing daemonds, and herd= <something i don't remember now>. anyway, it's doubly recursive
[05:07] <cybrjackle|lappy> last update i did evo crashes from the get go
[05:07] <Qo-noS> Gentoo or whatever...main thing is most here are Linux lovers...pardon me for ignoring the "GNU" bit ;)
[05:07] <cybrjackle|lappy> wants to restart/close/inform devels when i open it 8)
[05:07] <ama> hird = hurd of interfaces representing depth
[05:08] <ama> hurd = hurd of unix replacing daemons] 
[05:08] <tehmiller> oujoiwrgj
[05:08] <ama> or hird
[05:08] <linux_mafia> Qo-noS, you better call it gnu/linux boy, or me and richard are coming to rough you up ;)
[05:08] <tehmiller> friggin hird hurd herd, all crap
[05:08] <tehmiller> :P
[05:08] <ama> should be linux/gnu 
[05:08] <linux_mafia> anyone prelinked their ubuntu box?
[05:08] <Qo-noS> linux_mafia: damn didn't know RMS does IRC too :P
[05:09] <topyli> ok. here goes. hurd= hird of unix-replacing daemons, and hird = hurd of interfaces representating depth =)
[05:09] <tehmiller> linux_mafia, no, get too many issues
[05:09] <linux_mafia> im esr's half brother
[05:09] <defendguin> has /. effected the traffic in here any?
[05:09] <ama> i presume so
[05:09] <linux_mafia> tehmiller, ok, cause my friend using mepis said it did wonders for him, no issues
[05:10] <tehmiller> linux_mafia, he run any wine or etc apps?
[05:10] <linux_mafia> tehmiller, not sure
[05:10] <tehmiller> people still read /. ?
[05:10] <tehmiller> amazing
[05:10] <linux_mafia> tehmiller, i thought so too
[05:10] <Kinnison> Hi
[05:10] <linux_mafia> not high enough
[05:11] <linux_mafia> :(
[05:11] <Qo-noS> hehe...ahh that crazy man has his points it's true that Linux is really just a kernel, GNU utilities are essential but without the additional layer of applications like k3b...what makes an OS? But calling Linux GNU/Linux is  just a mouthful and rather silly really
[05:11] <linux_mafia> Qo-noS, agreed
[05:11] <Qo-noS> linux_mafia: ;)
[05:11] <tehmiller> gnome is what makes linux
[05:11] <tehmiller> :)
[05:11] <defendguin> :-D
[05:11] <topyli> gnome is a gnu project though =)
[05:11] <Qo-noS> tehmiller: tell it to the KDE crowd ;) 
[05:12] <tehmiller> Qo-noS, i do
[05:12] <tehmiller> ;)
[05:12] <linux_mafia> gotta love rms's face in revolution OS, when he gets the linus torvalds award, lmfao
[05:12] <Qo-noS> tehmiller: and you survived? ;)
[05:12] <tehmiller> Qo-noS, i'm a big guy, i can take the pain :D
[05:12] <linux_mafia> you guys seen Revolution OS?
[05:13] <Qo-noS> honestly, Linux and RMS owes one another...they know it deep down...
[05:13] <topyli> ahh
[05:13] <Qo-noS> tehmiller: ahhh these kde fanboys can be real rowdy you know ;)
[05:13] <ama> im a kde fan
[05:13] <ama> though im having misgivings
[05:13] <ama> gnome seems to be the future of linux desktop
[05:14] <gravies> I was a KDE fan until gnome 2.8 :-)
[05:14] <tehmiller> Qo-noS, actually, i've gotten many many more to come to the light side of linux
[05:14] <tehmiller> aka, gnome
[05:14] <tehmiller> of course, KDE themselves made it easier
[05:14] <topyli> to paraphrase rms, using kde is not a sin, it's a penance
[05:14] <Qo-noS> ama: there's nothing really wrong with QT apps just that the default look and feel is ahem plain ugly
[05:14] <tehmiller> by making their latest releases just slightly above crap
[05:14] <ama> keremik
[05:14] <hazmat> wierd if i plug in a usb hub keyboard with things attached the whole usb subsystem locks up
[05:14] <ama> with the yellow
[05:14] <linux_mafia> i say the loyalist, most staunch oss supporters of their own banner, are the gentoo lot
[05:14] <hazmat> if i plug them in one by one it works ok
[05:14] <ama> i have no clue what they were thinking
[05:14] <Qo-noS> altho I admit I use both QT as well as Gtk along with motif apps
[05:15] <ama> i personally think kde and gnome should coumbine, though there will be alot of major issues to overcome and developer strife, it will be better in the long run
[05:15] <tehmiller> k3b is the only qt app i use, and since ive been having issues with it, ihavent even used it
[05:16] <tehmiller> anyone have a good tut on setting up imap?
[05:16] <topyli> lyx uses qt, that's why i need it. and i use k3b, but that one i don't really need
[05:16] <Qo-noS> ama: I don't they they ever will come together...it is good to have a choice...Trolltech/QT requires  some kind of a registration thingy for those intending to develop apps with their toolkit
[05:16] <topyli> tehmiller: there's not much to setup. enable it in inetd
[05:16] <topyli> .conf
[05:16] <tehmiller> topyli, i mean setting up an imap server
[05:17] <topyli> that's what i mean too :)
[05:17] <gravies> anybody's ubuntu gnome install broken atm?  won't get past splash screen... 
[05:17] <tehmiller> the thing that makes my email remotely accessable
[05:17] <topyli> right
[05:17] <ama> you dont have to register to develop apps
[05:17] <ama> though, if you want to develop commercial apps
[05:17] <linux_mafia> tehmiller, you looked at the courier-imap how-to at www.tldp.org?
[05:17] <ama> you have to pay
[05:17] <tehmiller> linux_mafia, not yet
[05:17] <ama> but its not like theres any major gtk+ based apps
[05:18] <tehmiller> thanks for the smack in the head to remind me about it
[05:18] <ama> that are commercial
[05:18] <topyli> tehmiller: 1. install a daemon, 2. enable it in inetd.conf, 3. open the port, 4. get your mail
[05:18] <linux_mafia> ama, wtf
[05:18] <Qo-noS> ama: I think there are PageMaker is one
[05:18] <ama> never heard of it
[05:18] <linux_mafia> realplayer 10 is, heh
[05:18] <Qo-noS> www.gnomefiles.org
[05:18] <hazmat> ama, there are several gtk commercial apps.
[05:18] <Qo-noS> linux_mafia: yup that's another ;)
[05:19] <tehmiller> realplayer 10 is a paranormal app
[05:19] <hazmat> of the top of my head.. wingide.com
[05:19] <defendguin> the helix player blows and it causes problems when i want to download an rpm
[05:19] <tehmiller> a real player that defies the laws of Real apps
[05:19] <tehmiller> it doesnt suck
[05:19] <topyli> true
[05:19] <Qo-noS> tehmiller: heh
[05:19] <ama> ok thats like 3
[05:19] <tehmiller> defendguin, thats the mozilla plugin
[05:19] <linux_mafia> evolution
[05:19] <defendguin> yeah
[05:20] <linux_mafia> thats a killer app too
[05:20] <ama> i should have said propreitary
[05:20] <topyli> evo is free.
[05:20] <tehmiller> defendguin, theres a way to kill it specifically, but i usually just rightclick save rpms
[05:20] <ama> proprietary even
[05:20] <defendguin> tehmiller, still annoying
[05:20] <joh> why do I get "Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second." when doing cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI ?
[05:20] <tehmiller> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:20] <tehmiller> DEB HAS GARTOON PREPACKAGED!
[05:21] <defendguin> tehmiller, really?
[05:21] <defendguin> hmmm
[05:21] <tehmiller> in deb sid
[05:21] <defendguin> must boot up my ubuntu box
[05:21] <topyli> tehmiller: of course :)
[05:21] <tehmiller> topyli, well i dont see any of the good gtk themes there, so dont get all superior! :P
[05:22] <topyli> tehmiller: they must be broken if theyre not in sid :)
[05:22] <tehmiller> topyli, not at all
[05:22] <tehmiller> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=15073
[05:23] <defendguin> tehmiller, just the icon theme? or a gtk theme as well?
[05:23] <linux_mafia> defendguin, you get bios sorted?
[05:23] <topyli> tehmiller: hmm. look ok. I bet there's a security problem or something :P
[05:23] <defendguin> linux_mafia, huh?
[05:23] <tehmiller> defendguin, gartoon is just the icon theme
[05:24] <tehmiller> topyli, nah, just none of the gnome people like his themes
[05:24] <defendguin> well it has stock icons
[05:24] <tehmiller> topyli, the guy that makes that gtk theme is a friend, hes been rejected from art.gnome.org like 8 times
[05:24] <topyli> tehmiller: well, themes are easy enough. the main thing is the apps are (mostly) there
[05:25] <topyli> tehmiller: oh. he's gotten someone angry
[05:25] <topyli> gnome-look treats him right?
[05:26] <tehmiller> yeah
[05:27] <tehmiller> there was a vote in effect on the gnome-support forums a while back about the best gtk theme, we tried to do a write in for his latest theme at that time, the mods killed it
[05:27] <tehmiller> funny thing is that we cant figure out what he did to piss someone off
[05:27] <plovs> what is the username and password for cups?
[05:28] <tehmiller> root plovs
[05:28] <tehmiller> if you mean the web interface
[05:28] <plovs> tehmiller, ok
[05:28] <defendguin> this is kind of annoying sometimes the ubuntu boot stophalf way
[05:29] <defendguin> like it just stopped after it started the acpi daemon
[05:29] <defendguin> just sits there for a few min
[05:29] <tehmiller> ok, i know this has been asked 42000000000000 and 42 times, but i have to ask myself, any idea on the eta of xorg into debian?
[05:29] <topyli> plovs: trying the web interface? it's disabled in ubuntu i seem to recall.
[05:30] <plovs> topyli, it answers.. asks for login
[05:30] <defendguin> and of course the keyboard and power button do nothing so i have to end up pulling the battery of of my laptop
[05:30] <linux_mafia> this may be relevant/important to some of you - http://www.wiggy.net/tmp/accident/
[05:30] <topyli> yep, and accepts nothing. read the README in the docs folder. it tells you to use the gnome interface.
[05:30] <linux_mafia> rms nearly died
[05:31] <gravies> anyone got an faq on how to get gnome 2.8 to start after crash? - gconf corrupt?
[05:31] <plovs> topyli, anybody have a working canon 1250
[05:31] <Qo-noS> gravies: delete .gconf ;)
[05:31] <plovs> canon i250
[05:31] <topyli> plovs: not me :)
[05:32] <gravies> did rm -rf .gconf .gnome .gnome2 etc... tried root, other user... just stops at splash or grey... second time on 2 ubuntu boxes...
[05:32] <LinuxJones> gravies, maybe the files in your home dir are corrupt. Try creating a new user and logging in.
[05:33] <gravies> did that... no joy
[05:33] <tehmiller> gravies, you try starting it with startx?
[05:33] <LinuxJones> gravies, yikes
[05:33] <tehmiller> and putting gnome-session in the ~/.xinitrc
[05:33] <gravies> tried xinit /usr/bin/gnome-session 
[05:33] <gravies> same problem
[05:33] <tehmiller> seeing what errors it gives you
[05:33] <gravies> no errors in .xsession-errors
[05:33] <tehmiller> on the terminal itself?
[05:33] <gravies> nada
[05:33] <gravies> just sits there...
[05:33] <tehmiller> hrmmmm
[05:34] <tehmiller> the only plausible solution is that it hates you
[05:34] <gravies> for 10mins... on 3200+ 64 chip
[05:34] <gravies> my conclusion too... shame as I really like 2.8 on ubuntu...
[05:34] <tehmiller> tried a new user?
[05:34] <gravies> although had similar problem in fedora core...
[05:34] <gravies> yep
[05:34] <LinuxJones> gravies, have you updated your system after install ?
[05:34] <gravies> gnome =  unstable?
[05:34] <tehmiller> no gravies 
[05:34] <amphi> gravies: why not try and debug it without ?dm ? might make it easier
[05:35] <tehmiller> its very stabled
[05:35] <gravies> done apt-get dist-upgrade every day for a week to see if the fix would arrive... nothing
[05:35] <gravies> without dm?  lost me there?
[05:35] <amphi> gravies: console login + startx
[05:36] <topyli> gravies: at work i upgraded to unstable when that happened. then back to ubuntu gradually :(
[05:36] <gravies> yes - that doesn' twork (see above)
[05:36] <joh> there is a bug in the cdrecord package
[05:37] <joh> where can I access the ubuntu bugzilla?
[05:37] <joh> oh, sorry :P
[05:37] <topyli> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[05:37] <joh> topic is nice :P
[05:37] <joh> thanks
[05:37] <gravies> what is the equivalent of rpm -Uvh --force for dpkg / aptitude (so I can reinstall all the gnome gconf files?)
[05:37] <tehmiller> dpkg --forceall ?
[05:38] <gravies> great I'll try that thanks...
[05:38] <tehmiller> iunno for sure
[05:38] <amphi> gravies: not sure that forcing dpkg is always wise...
[05:38] <LinuxJones> gravies, apt-get --purge remove gconf
[05:39] <Qo-noS> gravies: or dpkg -P gconf
[05:39] <gravies> good plan LinuxJones
[05:40] <tehmiller> is mplayer proper in any debian repository?
[05:41] <amphi> tehmiller: marillat, but not official debs
[05:41] <tehmiller> amphi, can you save me a google with a link?
[05:41] <amphi> tehmiller: I have this is my sources.list FWIW: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[05:41] <occy> anyone know if pcmcia issues have been addressed in the latest nightlies?  I've got the  Oct 1st nightly and still can't seem too do the install because it hangs at loading pcmcia.
[05:41] <tehmiller> many thanks
[05:42] <amphi> I run woddy + a couple of backports
[05:42] <occy> this is a Dell Inspiron 7500 laptop. 
[05:42] <amphi> er, woody
[05:42] <amphi> you could ask the #debian bot
[05:42] <tehmiller> occy, i have an inspiron 9100
[05:42] <tehmiller> works 100%
[05:42] <tehmiller> thats what i installed ubuntu on
[05:42] <amphi> tehmiller:  ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html
[05:42] <amphi> for info
[05:42] <occy> every distro I've installed on this has had no problems. 
[05:43] <occy> :/
[05:43] <occy> hmmm
[05:43] <occy> maybe I should try one of the other nightlies again.
[05:43] <occy> there could have been something borked temporarily
[05:44] <LinuxJones> occy, can you diable your pcmcia bus in the system's bios ?
[05:44] <occy> LinuxJones: hey bud... I tried.. didn't see an option to do that.
[05:44] <occy> LinuxJones: I tried the expert install and it hung when it was trying to load pcmcia 
[05:44] <LinuxJones> occy, ahh
[05:45] <occy> I'll try the latest nightly to see if that works. 
[05:45] <LinuxJones> occy, some folks are having issues with pcmcia cards hanging so your not alone.
[05:45] <occy> LinuxJones: yah....  I bet it's the actual card manager services.
[05:45] <occy> LinuxJones: someone must be doing something different to the default stuff cause debian regular installs fine on it.
[05:46] <occy> sorta at a catch 22 with pcmcia 
[05:46] <occy> heh
[05:46] <occy> have to have it to get connected to the net. 
[05:47] <occy> had a great 10 mile run today
[05:47] <occy> I was only going to do 6, but felt so good I kept going.
[05:47] <occy> hehe
[05:47] <tehmiller^2> gah!
[05:47] <tehmiller^2> no xchat 2.4.0
[05:48] <tehmiller^2> what kind of insanity is this!?
[05:48] <occy> tehmiller^2: heh
[05:48] <LinuxJones> occy, I walked to the kitchen and make a pizza for lunch 
[05:48] <amphi> tehmiller: use irssi like decent people do :)
[05:48] <tehmiller^2> amphi, god no
[05:48] <occy> LinuxJones: haha, right on
[05:48] <amphi> heh
[05:48] <tehmiller^2> amphi, thats my "oh shit i screwed up something bad an am stuck in termnial" client
[05:48] <tehmiller^2> nothing more
[05:48] <occy> tehmiller same here
[05:48] <amphi> I spend most of my time in console
[05:49] <tehmiller^2> but GUI is your friend
[05:49] <tehmiller^2> not your enemy
[05:49] <occy> I sorta wish I could use console client though
[05:49] <occy> wish there was a tabbed based script. 
[05:49] <amphi> GUI is more like an acquaintance that is pleasant to see occasionally, for me :)
[05:49] <occy> it would be easy to do.
[05:49] <occy> for someone that knows how to code that is...
[05:50] <amphi> occy: 'tab based script'?
[05:50] <tehmiller^2> occy, irssi is tab based...
[05:50] <Exasparilla> I'm a li'l confused and would appreciate help - the "universe" repo is Debian unstable, frozen at the time of release, yes?
[05:50] <occy> would be neat to make a curses based client.
[05:50] <tehmiller^2> its just unintuitive as hell
[05:50] <occy> tehmiller yah
[05:51] <occy> essentially, make xchat where it would run graphically under console via some curses (menu based) thingy
[05:51] <LinuxJones> Exasparilla, I think that is the basic plan
[05:51] <occy> xchat-text wasn't that great IMHO
[05:52] <Exasparilla> So, how bad would it be to use the current debian unstable, or even experimental?  Do the ubuntu folks prune out bad packages or something?
[05:52] <LinuxJones> Exasparilla, mixing debian repositories and ubuntu is not recommended
[05:54] <LinuxJones> Exasparilla, if you don't go crazy and just want a few packages not available in Ubuntu you will probably be ok 
[05:54] <Exasparilla> LinuxJones: I heard that, but if universe *is* a debian repo...
[05:55] <LinuxJones> Exasparilla, universe it is not necessarily only debian unstable as far as I know
[05:55] <tehmiller> yay for mplayer!
[05:56] <Exasparilla> oh
[05:56] <linux_mafia> universe is not a *debian* repo, the packages are built against ubuntu main
[05:56] <tehmiller> lots of dvds eh Tomcat_ ?
[05:57] <Tomcat_> Heh... actually yes...
[05:57] <Tomcat_> Although it could have been another disk which has only apps and personal data...
[05:57] <tehmiller> curses :(
[05:58] <tehmiller> i want a dvd burner
[05:58] <linux_mafia> buy one, they are dirt cheap
[05:58] <Tomcat_> Oh you mean for backup? I back the data up on my other disk and my Dad's PC :)
[05:58] <tehmiller> that requires spending of funds
[05:58] <Exasparilla> linux_mafia: built against ubuntu main, but the same packages as in debian unstable at the time of freezing?
[05:58] <tehmiller> which will incur the bitching of the girlfriend
[05:58] <tehmiller> which will not be joyful
[05:59] <LinuxJones> tehmiller, tell her the old cd recorder died or something
[05:59] <linux_mafia> Exasparilla, yep
[05:59] <tehmiller> lol
[05:59] <gravies_> despite 8 yrs linux experience i find myself lost as ever :-)  ... can't ping localhost ??? /etc/hosts ok... route looks normal... maybe this is why gnome stops?
[05:59] <Exasparilla> linux_mafia: well, thank you.
[06:00] <linux_mafia> tehmiller - yeah, but if they like $150 NZD, they must be like $30 USD
[06:00] <tehmiller> last i checked they were around 75 US
[06:00] <tehmiller> that was this past christmas
[06:00] <linux_mafia> ok
[06:00] <Tomcat_> gravies_: What error on ping?
[06:00] <gravies_> just sits... no ack
[06:00] <Tomcat_> Oi.
[06:00] <gravies_> but can ping www.google.
[06:01] <LinuxJones> gravies_, what does ifconfig -a output ?
[06:01] <Tomcat_> I noticed recently that my loopback interface wasn't up... so that could have been a problem.
[06:01] <linux_mafia> new zealands pretty good for pc part prices, think cause we close to asia
[06:01] <Exasparilla> gravies_: firewall problem?
[06:01] <gravies_> all looks fine... eth0 lo  all there...
[06:01] <Tomcat_> But in that case you would've gotten "no route" or something
[06:01] <gravies_> i redid with etherconf to make sure and still no joy... 
[06:01] <gravies_> never had a problem like this before
[06:02] <LinuxJones> gravies_, I don't kwno what else it could be except a firewall rule like Exasparilla pointed out
[06:02] <topyli> linux_mafia: perhaps that would justify a quick trip to new zealand then, when it's winter here :)
[06:02] <gravies_> no firewall by default in ubuntu? is there?
[06:02] <LinuxJones> nope
[06:02] <linux_mafia> gravies_, whats in /etc/hosts ?
[06:02] <gravies_> iptables gives nothing
[06:02] <linux_mafia> topyli, where are you?
[06:03] <gravies_> hosts gives standard ## etherconf DEBCONF AREA stuff
[06:03] <topyli> linux_mafia: finland. so perhaps the savings wouldn't be so great after all
[06:03] <gravies_> 127.0.0.1 localhost is there...
[06:03] <linux_mafia> yay, home of black metal
[06:03] <topyli> sure
[06:03] <topyli> and linux
[06:03] <topyli> and irc
[06:04] <topyli> :D
[06:04] <tehmiller> wtf, wheres services-admin?
[06:04] <gravies_> and fush and chups
[06:05] <gravies_> ok... fyi ... /etc/init.d/networking restart did the trick... no ideal what was wrong...
[06:05] <linux_mafia> gravies_, fush and chups>
[06:05] <linux_mafia> ?
[06:06] <gravies_> it is the way NZers pronounce fish and chips :-)
[06:06] <gravies_> standard joke by all people from Oz...
[06:06] <linux_mafia> whatever buddy
[06:07] <DJCobol> is there a JRE package available through apt that maybe I'm not seeing?
[06:07] <linux_mafia> DJCobol, negative
[06:07] <tehmiller> where is the services gnome-system-tools app at?
[06:07] <DJCobol> crap
[06:07] <DJCobol> well, thanks
[06:08] <LinuxJones> tehmiller, what apps are they ?
[06:08] <gravies_> gnome 2.8 comes alive... obviously couldn't talk to localhost = wait forever = not tell anyone = me very confused... thanks for the help guys...
[06:09] <tehmiller> like users-admin, its called services-admin
[06:09] <tehmiller> i want to edit my services in ubuntu, but i cant find the damn app
[06:09] <LinuxJones> tehmiller, apt-get install gnome-system-tools
[06:09] <linux_mafia> tehmiller, not included in ubuntus set
[06:09] <tehmiller> for what insane and useless reason?
[06:09] <Keybuk> tehmiller: just play with the symlinks in /etc/rc2.d directly
[06:09] <topyli> gravies_: it's not obeying the standard rule of failing LOUDLY when failing :(
[06:10] <amphi> tehmiller: ubuntu has update-rc.d?
[06:10] <linux_mafia> tehmiller, from the mouth of jdub: It's not supported by upstream or by Ubuntu. Ideally, desktop users
[06:10] <linux_mafia> should not need a tool like this (particularly the current interaction
[06:10] <linux_mafia> design), and server administrators definitely shouldn't need it. :-)
[06:10] <tehmiller> its just a matter of convience
[06:10] <tehmiller> do i NEED it? no
[06:11] <tehmiller> would it be helpful? yes
[06:11] <Keybuk> it's not helpful
[06:11] <Keybuk> the UI is seriously terrible; it's far easier to just play with the symlinks yourself
[06:11] <linux_mafia> tehmiller, apt-get install rcconf
[06:11] <tehmiller> it is when youre unfamilair with the runlevels and default services of a partiuclar distro
[06:12] <Keybuk> tehmiller: the UI assumes equal familiarity
[06:12] <Keybuk> Ubuntu, like Debian, has an "installed services start automatically" policy.  If you want (e.g.) a name server to start, you just install one
[06:13] <deFrysk> no updates for the last 20some hrs, does that mean anything ? or is it sunday ?
[06:13] <linux_mafia> tehmiller, apt-get install rcconf, it is the tui for update-rc.d
[06:13] <octalc0de> how come mplayer isn't in the apt repository? ?=(
[06:14] <tehmiller> Keybuk, well thats apparently not applied to ssh
[06:14] <tehmiller> which is what prompted this little episode
[06:14] <tehmiller> linux_mafia, ok
[06:14] <Keybuk> tehmiller: the openssh package only contains the client, install the openssh-server package
[06:14] <tehmiller> Keybuk, did
[06:14] <tof_> hi all
[06:14] <Keybuk> tehmiller: it should be running then
[06:14] <tehmiller> the user-seperate thing kills it
[06:15] <Keybuk> user-separate ?
[06:15] <tehmiller> 1 sec, i'll post exact error
[06:15] <zyklonb> hello everyone. I have a problem installing ubuntu. when I install it, it goes through the install up until it's installing something at about 20% (sorry I forget what) then it goes to a red screen with an error. I tried burning to different media, tired redownloading and burning again, but the same problem. I made an empty partition in the middle of the drive and tired that, but the install still failed. Debian will install on this dri
[06:15] <linux_mafia> zyklonb, that is a shitty nick bro
[06:16] <tehmiller^2> Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshdPrivilege separation user sshd does not exist
[06:16] <tseng> ya it is.
[06:16] <linux_mafia> tseng, agreeing with me?
[06:16] <octalc0de> hmm, why is this happening [APT] : 
[06:16] <tseng> linux_mafia: ya
[06:16] <octalc0de> patrick@bigamd:~ $ sudo apt-get update
[06:16] <octalc0de> Get:4 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Sources [791B] 
[06:16] <octalc0de> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Release
[06:16] <octalc0de> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Sources
[06:16] <octalc0de> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Release
[06:16] <octalc0de> 99% [3 Sources gzip 0] 
[06:17] <octalc0de> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[06:17] <tseng> easy killer
[06:17] <linux_mafia> tseng, ok, we form like voltron and your the head
[06:17] <tseng> linux_mafia: pimp.
[06:17] <Keybuk> tehmiller^2: that's very strange ... that user should have been created during the openssh-server postinst script; can you do me a favour, try running "sudo dpkg --configure -a" 
[06:17] <linux_mafia> pimp?
[06:17] <tehmiller^2> k
[06:17] <Keybuk> let me know if that does anything at all
[06:18] <topyli> tseng: is your mono archive very dangerous to use?
[06:18] <tseng> dangerous?
[06:18] <tehmiller^2> nada Keybuk
[06:18] <cybrjackle|lappy> lol
[06:18] <tseng> it wont kill anything, it just might not work
[06:18] <cybrjackle|lappy> guess you scared him off :)
[06:18] <topyli> tseng: yes, that's what i mean :)
[06:18] <Keybuk> tehmiller^2: and "getent passwd sshd" doesn't say anything?
[06:18] <tseng> like right now monodevelop is missing some deps
[06:18] <tseng> and im not inany rush to fix it
[06:18] <tehmiller^2> nope Keybuk
[06:19] <Keybuk> tehmiller^2: ok, try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server"
[06:19] <tehmiller^2> shall i try to reinstall the ssh server
[06:19] <linux_mafia> tseng, whats pimp?
[06:19] <tseng> linux_mafia: decked out
[06:19] <topyli> tseng: ok. just in case i need some apps. not right now
[06:19] <tehmiller^2> Keybuk, bingo
[06:20] <tehmiller^2> now to figure what the hell that meant when it said how to enable X fowarding :\
[06:20] <linux_mafia> tseng, ok, gotya, some iceberg slim type shit
[06:20] <tseng> linux_mafia: ya
[06:20] <Keybuk> tehmiller^2: that's very strange; I've no idea why the postinst script didn't get run properly ... dpkg certainly thinks it did (otherwise the --configure -a would've done it)
[06:20] <tseng> linux_mafia: we'll be badder than voltron x2
[06:20] <Keybuk> tehmiller^2: X11Forwarding option in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[06:21] <tehmiller^2> oh, i thought it was saying something about a debian config app to pass -X to heh
[06:21] <tehmiller^2> odd..
[06:21] <tehmiller^2> its turned on in the config
[06:21] <tehmiller^2> oh well
[06:21] <LinuxJones> Can anybody recommend a good Python Book ? 
[06:22] <Keybuk> tehmiller^2: then all you need do is pass -X on the client, or stick "ForwardX11 yes" in ~/.ssh/config for the host, etc.
[06:22] <linux_mafia> tseng, fabio has to be part of our formation though
[06:22] <tehmiller> yeah Keybuk, apparently that little dialog is outdated, the default config has it turned on
[06:22] <Micksa> LinuxJones: try http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy/
[06:22] <ccharles> LinuxJone: try O'Reilly's 'Programming Python 2nd Ed.'
[06:22] <tseng> linux_mafia: he can be a foot if he has to
[06:22] <LinuxJones> Micksa, ty
[06:22] <linux_mafia> tseng, that'll do him
[06:22] <Keybuk> tehmiller: heh, file a bug on that <g>
[06:23] <LinuxJones> Micksa, ccharles thanks will look at it right now
[06:23] <Keybuk> it does say "the Debian version of ssh"
[06:27] <ioslipstream> LinuxJones: http://diveintopython.org is about as good as they get
[06:30] <Micksa> heh, I have yet to be convinced to learn python
[06:30] <Micksa> too good at perl :)
[06:31] <ioslipstream> Micksa: lol, i used to feel the same as you
[06:31] <LinuxJones> ioslipstream, thanks looks great :)
[06:31] <ioslipstream> LinuxJones: no problem, that was the most helpful of the online books, and i read them all
[06:31] <ioslipstream> most helpful for me anyhow, your mileage may vary
[06:32] <LinuxJones> Python, seems like a good language for someone as dim-whitted as myself :D
[06:32] <LinuxJones> ioslipstream, do you do any graphical apps in Python ?
[06:33] <ioslipstream> LinuxJones: yes
[06:33] <sri> hey is anybody making packages of gnome-vfs that supports dns-sd?
[06:33] <LinuxJones> ioslipstream, is it very difficult to control input/output from other applications ?
[06:34] <defendguin> woo hoo i got menitoned on planet.gnome.org :)
[06:34] <ioslipstream> LinuxJones: not at all... python is an extremely easy language to learn and do useful things with almost right off the bat
[06:34] <ioslipstream> very powerful, flexible, and easy
[06:35] <gravies_> *faq?  How to get vanilla debian's fonts to look as good as ubuntu?
[06:35] <LinuxJones> ioslipstream, awesome !!
[06:35] <nanotech> is python a web lang?
[06:35] <Treenaks> gravies_: they do
[06:35] <LinuxJones> nanotech, scripting language
[06:36] <amphi> with evil significant whitespace :)
[06:37] <linux_mafia> i wouldn't really describe it as a scripting language
[06:37] <topyli> gravies_: set it up the same way :)
[06:37] <hazmat> its an object oriented strongly typed dynamic language 
[06:37] <topyli> gravies_: ie. install same fonts, use same config
[06:38] <sri> so is howl packaged for ubuntu at all?
[06:39] <hazmat> its in universe
[06:39] <linux_mafia> thirstin howl?
[06:39] <gravies_> yes, i spent hours setting up debian unstable to look good... ubuntu looks fantastic out of the box... hard work by ubuntu developers or fonts that debian won't let in (non-free)?
[06:39] <linux_mafia> the thir
[06:39] <linux_mafia> third
[06:39] <sri> linux_mafia: the 3ird
[06:39] <sri> oops
[06:39] <sri> hehe
[06:40] <linux_mafia> sri, you like him?
[06:40] <sri> hazmat: does gnome-vfs use it at all?
[06:40] <sri> linux_mafia: only from gilligan's island :)
[06:40] <linux_mafia> oh, i was talking about the rapper
[06:40] <TdC_VgA> hows the RFS4 support in ubuntu?
[06:40] <sri> oh
[06:40] <sri> don't know him
[06:40] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, its not
[06:40] <TdC_VgA> thats what i thought heh
[06:40] <sri> what is RFS4?
[06:40] <TdC_VgA> reiserfs4
[06:40] <Exasparilla> sri: Reiserfs, version 4
[06:41] <TdC_VgA> next release?
[06:41] <ioslipstream> sri: something garaunteed to destroy your data someday
[06:41] <ioslipstream> =p
[06:41] <topyli> gravies_: i don't think ubuntu has non-free fonts out of the box
[06:41] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, no
[06:41] <TdC_VgA> i heard ReiserFS 4 supported NTFS natively? whats with that?
[06:41] <sri> ioslipstream: hehe
[06:41] <atomsk> does anyone know how to mount a usb mass storage device? It gets detected when I plug it but I have no idea how to find which filesystem it uses :/
[06:41] <linux_mafia> supported NTFS natively? what does that mean?
[06:42] <Exasparilla> TdC_VgA: that doesn't make any sense.  they're totally different, and I've never heard that
[06:42] <Exasparilla> unless NTFS is also an acronym for something else
[06:42] <gravies_> atomsk: try fdisk /dev/sda
[06:42] <TdC_VgA> yeah it didnt make any sense to me either.. it was on some FAQ about mounting ntfs a friend found.
[06:42] <TdC_VgA> trying to find it again
[06:42] <Treenaks> yusufg: maybe some distribution supports both..
[06:42] <sri> it doesnt look like gnome-vfs htough iwll use howl :/
[06:43] <Treenaks> sri: not yet?
[06:43] <TdC_VgA> http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/ateQuestionNResponse/0,289625,sid39_cid594334_tax293691,00.html (that's it... use BugMeNot to login)
[06:43] <sri> Treenaks: yeah, probably not yet.  I'm sure it'll come but I'm just impatient
[06:43] <ioslipstream> atomsk: try auto instead of manually specifying a filesystem
[06:43] <TdC_VgA> makes no sense to me
[06:43] <Treenaks> sri: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-vfs-list/2004-June/msg00005.html :P
[06:43] <ioslipstream> mount -t auto /foo /bar
[06:43] <sri> Treenaks: oh I know it's integrated in gnome-vfs, but the deb package needs to include it.
[06:44] <Treenaks> sri: file a bug, the packages are in universe..
[06:44] <sri> Treenaks: and since I didn't see any dependency for howl for gnome-vfs I assumed it's not incorporated.
[06:44] <TdC_VgA> linux_mafia: any reason there wont be RFS4 support in the next release?
[06:44] <Exasparilla> TdC_VgA: email address?
[06:44] <TdC_VgA> anonymous@exa.com is what bugmenot gave me
[06:44] <gravies_> atomsk:  fdisk -l /dev/sda will give you a partition list... find the one you want and then mount -t auto /dev/sdaX /mnt
[06:45] <atomsk> thanks guys I will try these when I get the chance
[06:45] <TdC_VgA> putting Ubuntu on my averatec laptop right now, does it have Synaptic Touchpad support nativly or do i need to install the drivers?
[06:46] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, a patch to fix grub to support rfs4 broke something else, blah blah blah, you can set it up yourself though, kernel supports it of course
[06:46] <TdC_VgA> 2.6 kernel correct?
[06:46] <linux_mafia> hen hao
[06:46] <Exasparilla> TdC_VgA: the login's not working.  doesn't matter.  it can't mean what you thought it did :)
[06:47] <TdC_VgA> i can paste the text.. does this # have a paste board?
[06:47] <guptan> Hi Room
[06:47] <TdC_VgA> http://eugeneciurana.com/pastebin/pastebin.php?show=3185
[06:47] <guptan> can I add debian apt repositories to ubuntu source list?
[06:47] <TdC_VgA> there we go
[06:47] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, you need to patch kernel though, or use an mm kernel
[06:48] <TdC_VgA> k
[06:48] <LinuxJones> guptan, it's not recommended 
[06:48] <linux_mafia> wtf is that shit roflmao
[06:49] <TdC_VgA> the "ntfs" thing?
[06:49] <guptan> LinuxJones, there is no software like acrobat in my synaptic list
[06:49] <linux_mafia> yeah
[06:49] <TdC_VgA> it seemed very very very strange to me
[06:49] <LinuxJones> guptan, you need to view .pdf files ?
[06:49] <TdC_VgA> it's on ibms supposed "expert" responses or whatever lol
[06:49] <Exasparilla> TdC_VgA: Ah.  They must mean using reiser INSTEAD of ntfs on the xp side
[06:49] <Exasparilla> i do think windows can support reiser
[06:49] <TdC_VgA> Exasparilla: is that possible?
[06:49] <guptan> LinuxJones, I want to view pdf files in firefox using pdf plugin
[06:50] <TdC_VgA> interesting.. i didnt know that
[06:50] <guptan> LinuxJones, there is no Mplayer too. Where can I find these programs
[06:50] <TdC_VgA> hell i'll format my protable hd with reiser then
[06:50] <LinuxJones> guptan, don't they have the plugin available in the mozilla website ?
[06:51] <guptan> LinuxJones, they ask to install adobe reader then copy one .so file to .mozilla/plugins directory
[06:51] <guptan> I'm doing that job for Java now, I want acrobat also :)
[06:51] <linux_mafia> windows cannot run on reiser
[06:51] <Exasparilla> TdC_VgA: rfstool rfsgui - don't know if you can actually run windows on a reiser partition, though
[06:51] <topyli> guptan: acroread, the plugin and mustimedia packages are in Christian Marillat's repository for unstable. seems to work for ubuntu too.
[06:51] <LinuxJones> guptan, xpdf is installed by default
[06:52] <LinuxJones> guptan, you can get mplayer @ apt-get.org probably
[06:52] <TdC_VgA> yeah i just checked em out.. interesting stuf
[06:52] <TdC_VgA> f
[06:52] <Exasparilla> TdC_VgA: That post was insane.  You can access reiser partitions from windows, though.
[06:52] <TdC_VgA> probally not a bad idea for my Portable HD...
[06:52] <TdC_VgA> Lots of updates to warty after install i see..
[06:53] <TdC_VgA> I hate this built in Broadcom WiFi device.. since there's no native drivers always have to install those damn NDISWrappers then the windows drivers, ick.
[06:53] <guptan> So you guys think, adding debian apt repository to ubuntu is a BAD idea ?
[06:53] <TdC_VgA> guptan: assume it just means they're not verified to work
[06:54] <guptan> hmmm
[06:54] <Treenaks> and upgrading might break stuff
[06:54] <topyli> guptan: don't use it for upgrades, just grab what you need and then comment it out again
[06:54] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, get a prog called rfsgui, to access reiser parts from win
[06:55] <TdC_VgA> is there any reason openoffice is being downloaded/updated after installing warty? has there been a maintence release or something?
[06:55] <topyli> guptan: it's debian unstable anyway, so if it breaks, well, tough :)
[06:55] <linux_mafia> guptan, if you do like topyli said you will be fine, i have a few debian proper packages, you need them if you want to watch dvds
[06:55] <TdC_VgA> 1.1.2-2 it looks like... hmm guess -1 is on the CD?
[06:56] <TdC_VgA> linux_mafia: using MPlayer for DVD support?
[06:56] <guptan> I was actually planning to add debian stable packages.
[06:56] <topyli> no you need unstable
[06:56] <Treenaks> guptan: uh... tried looking in Universe ?
[06:56] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, no, you need libdvdcss
[06:56] <deFrysk> can anyone explain why firefox crashes with java pages ?
[06:56] <TdC_VgA> linux_mafia: gotcha..
[06:57] <guptan> stable or unstable: I'm looking for Mplayer, acrobat, java, wma plugins
[06:57] <TdC_VgA> deFrysk: using Blackhawk or Suns JRE?
[06:57] <deFrysk> suns 
[06:57] <TdC_VgA> odd..
[06:57] <deFrysk> wrong one ?
[06:57] <TdC_VgA> 1.5 or 1.4.2_05?
[06:57] <deFrysk> 1.5
[06:57] <Treenaks> guptan: you don't want acrobat, it sucks compared to xpdf
[06:57] <Treenaks> (and even xpdf sucks..)
[06:57] <TdC_VgA> deFrysk: could be the 1.5... not 100% sure
[06:57] <linux_mafia> guptan, Treenaks is right
[06:57] <TdC_VgA> try it with 1.4.2_05
[06:58] <guptan> Treenaks, I need a plugin to read pdf files in browser ie Firefox
[06:58] <deFrysk> TdC_VgA, k 
[06:58] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, im using 1.5
[06:58] <TdC_VgA> deFrysk: also did you make sure the link to the JRE was correct under firefox?
[06:58] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, i just made my own debs
[06:58] <deFrysk> TdC_VgA, sorry I use 1.4,2.05
[06:58] <deFrysk> ln -s blah ?
[06:58] <deFrysk> sure i did
[06:59] <TdC_VgA> yeah i need to run 1.5 and Eclipse under this new machine.. no problems there i assume
[06:59] <TdC_VgA> nice mirrors.. 341k a sec.. 201 megs in 9 min heh
[07:00] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, i used these instructions http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php
[07:00] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, to install j2sdk 1.5
[07:00] <TdC_VgA> need to bookmark those.
[07:01] <TdC_VgA> thanks =)
[07:01] <deFrysk> where can i get java 1.5 ?
[07:01] <TdC_VgA> ugh, linux has the worst support for my laptop heh
[07:01] <deFrysk> j2re that is
[07:01] <linux_mafia> deFrysk, www.sun.com
[07:02] <linux_mafia> funnily enough
[07:02] <linux_mafia> ;)
[07:02] <deFrysk> :D
[07:02] <linux_mafia> only released 2 days ago i think
[07:03] <TdC_VgA> -epia patch applied to the default kernel in ubuntu?
[07:04] <TdC_VgA> ah, i dont care as long as my video works in VESA i'll be happy.. dont need any advanced graphics anyway.
[07:04] <guptan> which is better Sun JRE or Blackdown?
[07:05] <linux_mafia> sun id say
[07:05] <ama> same
[07:05] <linux_mafia> may as well use the one from the people who invented it
[07:05] <TdC_VgA> sun
[07:05] <TdC_VgA> totally sun
[07:05] <fred> Hello
[07:05] <hello> hi
[07:05] <guptan> yeah!
[07:05] <TdC_VgA> blackdown is slowwwwww or can be
[07:06] <LinuxJones> Unfortunately Sun is being run by a collection of total idiots
[07:06] <guptan> but my firefox quits when using sun java
[07:06] <TdC_VgA> ubuntu have any ports open by default? ssh, telnet, etc?
[07:06] <linux_mafia> LinuxJones, haha
[07:06] <fred> I'm looking for prepackaged ethereal and vlc
[07:06] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, no
[07:06] <fred> powerpc 
[07:06] <TdC_VgA> linux_mafia: excellent
[07:06] <ama> i remember when redhat used to have daemons running by default
[07:06] <ama> well when i used it
[07:06] <ama> that really bugged me 
[07:06] <deFrysk> man sun is a pain to find anything
[07:07] <TdC_VgA> they used to launch Telent, Apache, Postgresql if you installed it, and a few others.. it was insane
[07:07] <ama> because who needs to really run a telnet and ssh and apache, when you are using a desktop :/
[07:07] <TdC_VgA> java.sun.com
[07:07] <deFrysk> gonna deb it with alien :)
[07:07] <TdC_VgA> i'll put ssh on but that's about it.. maybe VNC
[07:07] <guptan> Oh, I installed java and linked java plugin to firefox plugin directory, but firefox crashes when using JAVA :|
[07:08] <linux_mafia> deFrysk, https://sdlcweb2a.sun.com/ECom/EComActionServlet/LegalPage:~:com.sun.sunit.sdlc.content.LegalWebPageInfo;jsessionid=sdlcweb2a.sun.com-cdd3%3A416031d0%3Aa2d1ad76ae89535
[07:08] <TdC_VgA> i think what got me to try out Ubuntu was one 1) gnome by default 2) (the biggie) firefox by default
[07:08] <deFrysk> linux_mafia, I know ;)
[07:08] <TdC_VgA> just made me happy to see someone doing things right heh
[07:09] <linux_mafia> deFrysk, dont do that, use the link i posted awhile back, http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php
[07:09] <topyli> guptan: you probably used the wrong plugin. use the one compiled with gcc32
[07:09] <zapata> hei
[07:09] <Tomcat_> "Installing the Ubuntu base system"...
[07:09] <guptan> topyli, I used gcc32 one 
[07:09] <topyli> well, it's not that then
[07:10] <guptan> topyli, any idea what cud be the problem. Actually the site designed for IE. But I've user agent switcher extension for firefox
[07:10] <wm_eddie> Woo! XFCE4.2 beta1!
[07:11] <deFrysk> linux_mafia, what do you want me to do with that page ?
[07:11] <topyli> guptan: no idea. any other java site works?
[07:11] <TdC_VgA> i hope this synaptics touch pad just works..
[07:11] <TdC_VgA> the less drivers to install the better
[07:11] <linux_mafia> deFrysk, i thought you wanted to make a java deb?
[07:11] <guptan> topyli, let me see
[07:12] <deFrysk> linux_mafia, yes , but i know ho to do that ;)
[07:12] <TdC_VgA> i will soon enough though
[07:13] <linux_mafia> deFrysk, ok, yeah i thought you did, aren't you a dev?
[07:13] <deFrysk> no not a dev
[07:13] <jemfinch> I thought ubuntu was a new thing.
[07:13] <deFrysk> just trying to find a way not to crash firefox
[07:13] <linux_mafia> you used to be in #debian alot yeah?
[07:13] <jemfinch> but there are 221 people here :)
[07:14] <gravies_>  /. effect... 
[07:14] <deFrysk> now for the test....
[07:14] <LinuxJones> jemfinch, I think that there will be over 400 when Warty gets officially released !!
[07:14] <jemfinch> gravies_: are you one of the originals? :)
[07:15] <TdC_VgA> how can i change the mouse sesitivity?
[07:15] <defendguin> when did gnome-games start o kick so much ass?
[07:15] <TdC_VgA> sensitivity that is
[07:15] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, did you use the preview release to install? or a daily
[07:16] <LinuxJones> TdC_VgA,  Computer >> Desktop Preferences>>Mouse
[07:16] <ama> http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/03/1352252&tid=123&tid=108&tid=155&tid=102&tid=98
[07:16] <TdC_VgA> whatever was on the main download link
[07:16] <ama> if kodak can win this, the whole linux sco debacle seems pausible
[07:16] <deFrysk> hmm , with jre1.5 i get nothing
[07:16] <deFrysk> not even a firefox starting up
[07:17] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, wacky mousage is a bug, once you have upgraded it will settle doen
[07:17] <linux_mafia> *down
[07:17] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, so dont fiddle with mouse settings yet
[07:17] <TdC_VgA> didnt it upgrade when i installed?
[07:17] <TdC_VgA> doh! just did.. hehe.. how do i update
[07:17] <TdC_VgA> apt-get update?
[07:17] <deFrysk> nope still no go with 1.5
[07:17] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, yep
[07:18] <linux_mafia> then apt-get upgrade -u
[07:18] <TdC_VgA> cool
[07:18] <linux_mafia> -u just lets you see what its gonna upgrade
[07:18] <LinuxJones> ama, that might explain Sun's recent agreement with Microsoft for 2 billion.
[07:18] <TdC_VgA> alright back in like two hours.. then i'll finish this install.. nice so far though =)
[07:18] <TdC_VgA> gotcha
[07:18] <linux_mafia> deFrysk, how did you install your java?
[07:19] <deFrysk> dpkg -i
[07:19] <linux_mafia> haha
[07:19] <TdC_VgA> doh
[07:19] <TdC_VgA> i dont think i set a root password
[07:19] <TdC_VgA> hahahaha
[07:19] <deFrysk> sudo ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0/plugin/i386/ns7-gcc29/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/
[07:19] <deFrysk> and done
[07:20] <wm_eddie> TdC_VgA: You don't set a root password in ubuntu, just use sudo
[07:20] <linux_mafia> deFrysk, ok, so you made your own deb, just wanted to say that im using j2sdk 1.5 and firefox has not given me any trouble, 
[07:20] <deFrysk> i see
[07:21] <linux_mafia> deFrysk, i did not need to make links manually though
[07:21] <deFrysk> no ?
[07:21] <deFrysk> not needed ?
[07:21] <ama> maybe jones, though i dont see how
[07:21] <ama> i dont understand how kodak could when that :/
[07:21] <ama> even when looking at the actual patents
[07:22] <darksatanic> That first patent reads like a grid computing infrastructure.
[07:22] <ama> wow
[07:22] <ama> win*
[07:23] <ama> when that :/
[07:23] <linux_mafia> deFrysk, you select the corresponding package from http://z42.de/debian/ and it takes care of all that stuff
[07:23] <LinuxJones> ama, I think that maybe Sun knew this was coming and needed to get a large bag of cash from somwhere. 
[07:23] <ama> maybe
[07:23] <linux_mafia> deFrysk, in my case sun-j2sdk1.5debian_0.9_all.deb
[07:24] <LinuxJones> I am so sick and tired of hearing about lawsuits but it couldn't happen to a nicer company.
[07:24] <ama> well both my parents are lawyers
[07:24] <ama> but im tired of hearing of stupid lawsuits 
[07:24] <ama> like this one, and the sco one
[07:24] <LinuxJones> ya
[07:25] <mjr> LinuxJones, yeah
[07:26] <mjr> At least with the big guys getting hit by stupid patents always has a chance of turning the software patent lobbying tide just a tiny bit. Maybe. One can hope.
[07:27] <ama> its only a matter of time before there are a flood of patent infringement cases against linux
[07:27] <ama> and other open source software
[07:28] <LinuxJones> ama, sadly this is true.
[07:28] <mjr> yep
[07:28] <mjr> I have a feeling they're just waiting for EU to officially adopt them as well
[07:29] <mjr> call me paranoid
[07:31] <topyli> paranoid!
[07:31] <mjr> thanks :)
[07:32] <q2> hi
[07:32] <darksatanic> On amd64, I believe that firefox needs to be compiled with gcc 3.4 to be stable.
[07:33] <darksatanic> Does anyone have any pointers to somewhere I can get a gcc 3.4-compiled firefox from?
[07:33] <darksatanic> (Or a suggestion for how to compile or install one?)
[07:33] <Tomcat_> Yep.
[07:33] <Tomcat_> And hopefully at that point there'll be riots in the streets.
[07:33] <Ranbaz> hello, I have a question about how to install the patch 0.10.1 for firefox. If I start firefox with command line and sudo I can patch it with the "critical update" tool (white arrow on a red circle) but it failed with a "normal" use ?
[07:34] <Tomcat_> Bug in Firefox.
[07:34] <Tomcat_> If nobody else here has a better help, you can read the slashdot comments on the update... I think they worked around the problem somehow.
[07:35] <visik7> I've a problem with the ubuntu 2.6.8.1 kernel when I try to load any acpi module it says no such device with another distro and kernel 2.4.27 everything is ok
[07:35] <visik7> how can I solve?
[07:36] <Treenaks> visik7: make sure ACPI is available/enabled on your machine
[07:36] <visik7> I know that this is not the right place to ask it but the problem comes with my new ubuntu installation
[07:36] <Treenaks> visik7: or just ignore the messages :)
[07:36] <visik7> Treenaks I say that acpi works fine with 2.4.27
[07:36] <tehmiller> w00t w00t!
[07:36] <visik7> I need acpi
[07:37] <Treenaks> visik7: if it works with 2.4.27, it works with 2.6.8.1 -- look at the kernel output, maybe it disables acpi because your BIOS Is from before 1999 ?
[07:37] <dredg> s/1999/2000/
[07:37] <Treenaks> dredg: uh yes
[07:37] <tehmiller> 3d rendering is mine!
[07:37] <LinuxJones> visik7, what happens when you run discover ?
[07:38] <tehmiller> now if it just wasnt on the craptacular xfree
[07:38] <Ranbaz> Thanks Tomcat for the answer. It's time to eat in France, bye
[07:38] <dredg> actually, technically that should be 2001, or your sentence should read "from 2000 or older" </pedant> :)
[07:39] <visik7> maybe I found the problem
[07:39] <Tomcat_> ?
[07:39] <visik7> if I run 2.6.8.1 with normal parameters it start to say temperature too high shuting down
[07:39] <visik7> and I'm forced to use acpi=off 
[07:40] <visik7> and than I cannot load the acpi modules
[07:40] <visik7> obviously
[07:40] <amphi> visik7: never mind acpi, for me 2.6.8.1 broke apm
[07:41] <visik7> who spoke about apm ?
[07:41] <normnmiles> visik7, do you have the latest version of the ubuntu kernel?
[07:42] <jgeorgeson> on a laptop, i've never had much luck on debian with hotplugging a usb mouse. on fedora, i install with just the built in touchpad, and after it's running, i can just plug in my usb wheel mouse and both Just Work. how does ubuntu fair with this?
[07:42] <jgeorgeson> er fare even
[07:42] <jamescube> ok.. fresh install of ubuntu here (well, updated via synaptic).  if i try to play anything in totem, regardless of movie type or audio file, i get the same error.. An error has occured. resource busy or not available.. wtf is that?
[07:42] <visik7> normnmiles if there is a new kernel after the warty release no
[07:43] <normnmiles> i think the latest is 2.6.8.1-3 the one on the warty preview was 2.6.8.1-2.  a developer on the mailing list said the new one had a bunch of patches
[07:43] <visik7> anyway I dunno understand why If I run the kernel normally it start to say temperature too high
[07:44] <visik7> and init 0
[07:44] <visik7> :(
[07:44] <YoussefAssad> question; why all the sudden fuss over ubuntu?
[07:44] <visik7> same problem with knoppix >=3.4
[07:44] <normnmiles> my laptop was running hot also but acpi was not turning the fan on.
[07:44] <ioslipstream> YoussefAssad: partly cause it's new, and partly cause it rocks
[07:44] <normnmiles> upgraded and laptop no hot anymore
[07:44] <visik7> with 2.4.x everything was ok
[07:44] <ioslipstream> the part about it being new would explain the "sudden fuss"
[07:45] <visik7> 2.6 is quite crappy for me
[07:46] <YoussefAssad> ioslipstream, I ask because the marketroid in me smells coordinated awareness blitz, is all
[07:46] <jgeorgeson> no comment on the hotplugging a usb mouse and everything just working or not?
[07:46] <ioslipstream> YoussefAssad: you are right, to a degree, but the distro has funding as well as great devs
[07:46] <visik7> jgeorgeson I install ubuntu with an usb mouse connected
[07:46] <heysteve> does ubuntu have sata support?
[07:46] <visik7> and everything is ok
[07:47] <visik7> jgeorgeson both touchpad and mouse work well
[07:47] <YoussefAssad> ioslipstream, fair enough. I was a debian user once upon a time; I assume ubuntu is built against debian testing or something?
[07:47] <TheMonoTone> are there any floppy boot disks for ubuntu?
[07:47] <jgeorgeson> visik7: with no manual config?
[07:47] <ioslipstream> YoussefAssad: sid, yes
[07:47] <visik7> jgeorgeson yes no manual config
[07:47] <visik7> yes, no manual config
[07:47] <jgeorgeson> visik7: sweet
[07:47] <visik7> :) better
[07:47] <YoussefAssad> ioslipstream, Hmm. Thanks for the info. I'll mull it over.
[07:47] <tvmkid> hi peepz and devs
[07:48] <tvmkid> i tried ubuntu 2 days back and it was wonderfull
[07:48] <visik7> is possible to install kde in ubunutu ?
[07:48] <ioslipstream> YoussefAssad: i was a diehard gentoo user until i tried ubuntu
[07:48] <LinuxJones> tvmkid, hello
[07:48] <linux_mafia> heysteve, yes
[07:48] <TheMonoTone> floppies? anyone?
[07:48] <tvmkid> my thanks and gratitude to all devs :)
[07:48] <jgeorgeson> does warthog have any of the swsusp stuff (or any s2d) built in?
[07:48] <visik7> where is the classic debian "modconf" ?
[07:48] <LinuxJones> ioslipstream, I liked Gentoo but it takes so long to install anything 
[07:48] <TheMonoTone> I love ubuntu, but it won't boot off the cd :-(
[07:48] <YoussefAssad> ioslipstream, Mandrake currently here. Thing is, though, I' past the point where I'll switch distros for anything non-critical. But still, I'll take a look-see
[07:49] <jgeorgeson> visik7: i just read on slashdot that there is a FAQ entry for what apt source to enable. I think just enabling universe will give you access to the debian kde packages
[07:49] <LinuxJones> visik7, modconf is not available in Ubuntu :(
[07:49] <tvmkid> we are planning to install ubuntu during our user group's install fest next sturday
[07:49] <tvmkid> saturday
[07:49] <visik7> LinuxJones ?! there is /etc/modules and no modconf ?
[07:49] <ioslipstream> tvmkid: it'll be a short install fest :)
[07:49] <tvmkid> :)
[07:49] <LinuxJones> visik7, yes it is broken
[07:49] <YoussefAssad> tvmkid, hmm. We had a smashing installfest here. I think we still had prep notes up on a wiki somewhere. If you're interested I could dig that up
[07:49] <wiler> What would I install to compile, say, ndiswrapper under Ubuntu? I have a couple of linux-headers packages installed, but it still complains that there's no build directory.
[07:50] <visik7> LinuxJones oh ok
[07:50] <YoussefAssad> we had 3,000+ persons. It was nuts
[07:50] <Deep7> does ubuntu use LVM by chance?
[07:50] <tvmkid> YoussefAssad: that would be wonderfull :)
[07:50] <LinuxJones> visik7, I downloaded the modconf.deb from Debian's repo but it will not add/remove any modules for me
[07:50] <visik7> if I add new hardware to my ubuntu box is it recognized automatically ?
[07:50] <tvmkid> we do not expect such a big croud though
[07:50] <YoussefAssad> tvmkid, okie, looing
[07:50] <jgeorgeson> are there really no north american iso mirrors?
[07:50] <YoussefAssad> tvmkid, we didn't either :)
[07:51] <LinuxJones> Deep7, yes
[07:51] <supertux_> anyone know where i can get a "ubuntu inside" sticker?
[07:51] <TheMonoTone> fsck
[07:51] <tvmkid> YoussefAssad: :)
[07:51] <TheMonoTone> no floppy boot disks eh
[07:52] <linux_mafia> wiler,  "I have a couple of linux-headers packages installed", well are they the correct ones for your kernel? not much good if they're not
[07:52] <jgeorgeson> TheMonoTone, i can't give a definitive answer, but I've never noticed any when looking at the download page
[07:52] <YoussefAssad> tvmkid, here: http://linux-egypt.manalaa.net/index.php/MayInstallFest
[07:52] <LinuxJones> jgeorgeson, I downloaded @ 600 kb/s using bittorrent 
[07:52] <TheMonoTone> me either :-(
[07:53] <TheMonoTone> dammit all to hell
[07:53] <TheMonoTone> gotta go find a cdrom drive that works now...
[07:53] <jgeorgeson> LinuxJones: bittorrent has never liked me very much, for some reason
[07:53] <wiler> linux_mafia: I have <headers>-2.6.8.1-3 and <headers>-2.6.8.1-3-386 installed.
[07:53] <LinuxJones> jgeorgeson, it's all of the leeching. 50 people seeding and 500 downloading.
[07:53] <linux_mafia> TheMonoTone, net install?
[07:54] <tvmkid> YoussefAssad: was this the install fest mentioned in /. ?
[07:54] <linux_mafia> LinuxJones, amen
[07:54] <YoussefAssad> tvmkid, yep
[07:54] <wiler> Oh, I see. Perhaps I have to install the updated linux-image. Pip.
[07:54] <tvmkid> YoussefAssad: cool!! 
[07:55] <TheMonoTone> linux_mafia, how would I turn that in to a floppy though?
[07:55] <YoussefAssad> :)
[07:55] <TheMonoTone> I didn't see any docs on it
[07:55] <YoussefAssad> best of luck tvmkid. Think I'll go do something useful now
[07:55] <TheMonoTone> ah nm
[07:56] <TheMonoTone> I found what I needed
[07:56] <linux_mafia> wiler, if youd bothered to look into installing ndiswrapper, you would have found you need the kernel source, not just the headers
[07:56] <TheMonoTone> on the cd /install/README.sbm I believe
[07:56] <TheMonoTone> if anyone else asks
[07:56] <ElVirolo_away> hi all
[07:57] <wiler> linux_mafia: Well, it's jolly nice of you to tell me.
[07:57] <tehmiller> anyone have the ndiswrappers working here?
[07:58] <jk> yup, not on ubuntu though
[07:59] <linux_mafia> wiler, ;)
[07:59] <linux_mafia> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?Distributions
[07:59] <jk> and i have to say, these winxp drivers work better under linux than the respective linux drivers :S
[08:00] <tehmiller> jk, on debian based though?
[08:00] <tof_> which software i can use to burn dvdr from ubuntu ?
[08:00] <jk> tehmiller: slackware
[08:00] <tehmiller> jk, heh, not helpful :P
[08:00] <Treenaks> tof_: just insert the CD
[08:00] <jk> tehmiller: sorry :)
[08:00] <tehmiller> jk, i have em working 100% in gentoo, fc3, and slack
[08:00] <jk> tehmiller: what's the problem?
[08:00] <jk> ah
[08:00] <Treenaks> tof_: the CD burner app will pop up
[08:00] <tof_> nautilus ?
[08:00] <tehmiller> i'm new to building modules on deb based
[08:00] <ElVirolo_away> I think ubuntu is a great distro... but i have a very annoying prob with it (which occurs with several other distros) ... I connect to the net via an adsl modem/router with a static IP... the connection works for a few minutes and then it suddenly stops... i can't connect to the router's web interface, and the only thing i can ping is the router itself... the same problem occurs on Mandrake and SuSE but suprisingly, the connection
[08:01] <ElVirolo_away> can anyone help me ?
[08:01] <Treenaks> tof_: yes, unless you want to burn audio CD,s then you'll want k3b
[08:01] <ElVirolo_away> and the second thing is : is kde 3.3 planned to be availible some day ?
[08:02] <sri_> there is a project called coaster/libburn that probably could use some volunteers to help
[08:02] <Treenaks> ElVirolo_away: next version (hoary) will have the newest kde
[08:03] <ElVirolo_away> Treenaks: ok... but is it possible to have a constantly upgraded "unstable" version like sid ?
[08:03] <Treenaks> ElVirolo_away: not yet, but I've heard that after warty releases, a new snapshot of unstable will be made and stabilized
[08:04] <ElVirolo_away> ok :)
[08:04] <ElVirolo_away> thx
[08:04] <ElVirolo_away> any ideas for my networking problem?
[08:06] <linux_mafia> ElVirolo_away, what kind of card
[08:06] <jemfinch> so who are the actual ubuntu developers here?
[08:06] <jensens> ElVirolo_away: do you have a dhcpclient running?
[08:06] <ElVirolo> I have a realtek network card which is pretty standard
[08:06] <ElVirolo> i do not have dhcpclient running
[08:07] <ElVirolo> i don't think so anyway
[08:07] <linux_mafia> ElVirolo, what kind? specifics always get quicker better answers
[08:07] <Mitario> hmm, how do I convert utf 8 to the locale ubuntu uses?
[08:07] <jensens> ElVirolo: if the connection stops and youre only able to ping the router it looks like somethings is setting your route wrong automagically
[08:08] <ElVirolo> linux_mafiasorry, it's a  Fast Ethernet PCI Realtek RTL8139 Family
[08:09] <linux_mafia> ElVirolo, 8139cp or 8139too module?
[08:09] <ElVirolo> linux_mafia: 8139too
[08:09] <linux_mafia> Mitario, dpkg-reconfigure locales
[08:10] <jgeorgeson> is there any s2d support packaged into ubuntu warty?
[08:12] <linux_mafia> ElVirolo, does the card actually die? can it still ping itself?
[08:12] <linux_mafia> ElVirolo, sorry you can still ping the router cant you
[08:12] <ElVirolo> linux_mafia: no it's still there and pings itself
[08:12] <ElVirolo> yup :)
[08:13] <linux_mafia> whats in your /etc/resolv.conf? and are you setting the cards ip manually?
[08:14] <ElVirolo> i am indeed setting it up manually, and the dns is 192.168.1.1
[08:14] <ElVirolo> (the router itself)
[08:15] <linux_mafia> what ip you give the card?
[08:15] <ElVirolo> 192.168.1.5
[08:15] <linux_mafia> does your router do dhcp?
[08:15] <wsx> hi!
[08:16] <ElVirolo> no, that's the problem : it has a dhcp server for the usb port, but not the ethernet port
[08:16] <ElVirolo> and i can't change it, as I am hiring the router from my isp
[08:16] <linux_mafia> what router?
[08:17] <wsx> could anybody explain (in newbie-fashion) how to add mp3-playing into my fresh ubuntu-install?
[08:17] <ElVirolo> linux_mafia: a Comtrend CT-600 VOIP router
[08:17] <jensens> wsx: sudo apt-get install xmms (i prefer xmms)
[08:18] <dredg> wsx: 1. have a working soundcard and speaker setup. 2. have some mp3s. 3. use an app like rhythmbox to play them. 4. rejoice and feel happy.
[08:18] <vrln> wsx: ubuntu supports mp3 playing out the the box, you don't have to tweak anything. Just get any mp3 player and it should work
[08:18] <vrln> assuming your alsa is working that is
[08:18] <azeem> vrln: really? I thought it didn't initially. Did they change it?
[08:19] <vrln> as far as I know ubuntu has always supported mp3:s. Fedora is propably the only one that doesn't
[08:19] <dustin_> Quick question, is it possible to convert from a debian system to ubuntu without borking anything?
[08:19] <vrln> I'm not 100% sure by any means though
[08:19] <wsx> argh! it is really THAT easy? Damn! Ok, thanks a lot. I'll try it...
[08:19] <linux_mafia> ElVirolo, i dont believe that it only does dhcp on the usb interface, that dosent make sense
[08:20] <dpro> Hey
[08:20] <dpro> i have a little question
[08:20] <ElVirolo> linux_mafia: well, i am positively sure it does
[08:20] <dpro> i want to make my ubuntu not to search for internet at startup
[08:20] <linux_mafia> ElVirolo, have you tried? 
[08:21] <ElVirolo> linux_mafia: the debian installer doesn't find a dhcp server on the router ...
[08:21] <Erix> hi
[08:21] <ElVirolo> neither does diskdrake nor yast
[08:22] <linux_mafia> ElVirolo, i didnt mean i dont believe you, i just meant "i dont believe it" it seems strange
[08:22] <linux_mafia> ElVirolo, what does route show?
[08:22] <ElVirolo> linux_mafia: i understand :) 
[08:22] <ElVirolo> hum
[08:24] <ElVirolo> i did that before with another guy, and it turned out route was showing the right stuff until it "disconnected" and then didn't show up anything... i'm sorry not to be able to give more detail but as you can understand, i am not using ubuntu right now
[08:24] <linux_mafia> opk
[08:24] <linux_mafia> ok
[08:24] <linux_mafia> even
[08:25] <dpro> hey do you even see what i write?
[08:25] <linux_mafia> dpro, no
[08:25] <linux_mafia> dpro, cant see it
[08:25] <dpro> heh ok
[08:25] <dpro> i'll try again
[08:25] <dpro> i want to make my ubuntu not to search for internet at startup
[08:25] <dpro> how can i do that?
[08:26] <linux_mafia> dpro, whats "search for the Internet" mean?
[08:26] <TheMonoTone> what a pain in the ass
[08:26] <TheMonoTone> need to nab a cdrom drive from work...
[08:26] <linux_mafia> TheMonoTone, you get netinst sussed?
[08:26] <TheMonoTone> no
[08:26] <TheMonoTone> had to steal a drive from my other computer
[08:26] <dpro> well.. at startup its startingup eth0 and then it wants to startup the network
[08:27] <TheMonoTone> they need to do something about floppy install
[08:27] <dpro> i dont want it to startup the network
[08:27] <TheMonoTone> not every computer has a cdrom drive...
[08:27] <dredg> I'm sorry, but its 2004. id like to see the demise of the floppy, preferably noe. thanks.
[08:28] <TheMonoTone> dredg, no thanks pal
[08:28] <TheMonoTone> that little floppy drive has saved me many times
[08:28] <TheMonoTone> every computer has one
[08:28] <TheMonoTone> or just about
[08:28] <dredg> mine doesnt
[08:28] <amphi> TheMonoTone: yeah
[08:29] <TheMonoTone> dredg, then your missing out :-)
[08:29] <dredg> no, im missing nothing :)
[08:29] <ElVirolo> linux_mafia: i have to go pretty soon
[08:29] <dredg> nasty fragile little things :)
[08:30] <ElVirolo> thx a lot for your help :)
[08:30] <linux_mafia> ElVirolo, no worries
[08:30] <amphi> dredg: they are that, but damn handy occasionally
[08:30] <TheMonoTone> well, let me know when you have to deal with situations where nothing else works
[08:30] <linux_mafia> TheMonoTone, did you try netboot?
[08:30] <TheMonoTone> what netboot linux_mafia? where are the docs for it eh?
[08:30] <TheMonoTone> its on the cd
[08:31] <TheMonoTone> but no floppy images
[08:31] <dredg> "nothing else" being what, exactly?
[08:31] <hazmat> TheMonoTone, the network is the floppy ;-)
[08:31] <dpro> omg... you ignore me totally
[08:31] <dpro> its so annoying
[08:31] <TheMonoTone> dredg, how do you update your bios?
[08:31] <TheMonoTone> burn a cd with the bios and dos boot?
[08:32] <linux_mafia> dpro, disable your nic
[08:32] <dredg> no, i use my usb key and boot from that
[08:32] <jgeorgeson> dpro: IRC is like that sometimes. if you don't want the network to come up on boot, set a different runlevel as default in /etc/inittab
[08:32] <TheMonoTone> dredg, what happens if the computer doesn't boot from usb?
[08:32] <TheMonoTone> I'm perfectly satisfied with my p3 1ghz
[08:33] <TheMonoTone> not about to go spend another $500 on a mobo, cpu, and ram, just so I can ditch the floppy drive
[08:33] <TheMonoTone> there are plenty of old computers still around
[08:33] <jgeorgeson> TheMonoTone, Roxio and Nero, and I would hope the linux tools, can take a CD image and create a bootable CD. and most recent BIOSes I've used can be flash updated from within a running OS
[08:33] <linux_mafia> dpro, computer -> system config -> networking -> disable start card on boot
[08:33] <TheMonoTone> and they aren't going anywhere while they work fine
[08:33] <fragment> Hey, anyone familiar with Terminal Server Client?
[08:33] <TheMonoTone> my job still runs mostly p2 350mhz dells, they work fine for web, word, and email, those people don't need anything better
[08:34] <TheMonoTone> so they aren't going to spend the money on it
[08:34] <jgeorgeson> TheMonoTone: didn't dredg say new computers should ship without floppies? they make sens on old machines, but not new ones
[08:34] <hazmat> dpro, remove the symlinks and the network dependent services from the appropriate run levels in /etc/rc*
[08:34] <dredg> TheMonoTone: meh. as i said its 2004 and id like the floppy to go away. your system clearly isnt from 2004, so who cares?
[08:34] <linux_mafia> jesus
[08:34] <linux_mafia> and the care bears
[08:34] <hazmat> dpro, nm.. linux_mafia's solution is much nicer.
[08:34] <hazmat> thats cool
[08:35] <fragment> If you install Windows and your primary drive is on a SCSI controller, it prompts for drivers on floppy (with no other alternative)
[08:35] <fragment> I believe RH still does the same with modules needed at install.
[08:35] <jgeorgeson> hazmat: linux_mafia's solution just does the one card, I thought dpro said no networking on boot
[08:35] <dpro> linux_mafia: thank you guys!
[08:35] <dredg> rh driver disks can use cdroms
[08:35] <fragment> dredg, Sweet
[08:35] <dpro> whoops
[08:35] <dpro> thank you guys
[08:36] <dredg> i know this cos i had to do it last week on a shiney new dell with a shiney new (red: unsupported) scsi raid card
[08:36] <fragment> dredg, So it's only MS that's schitzophrenic about getting rid of legacy devices.
[08:36] <linux_mafia> fragment, which version of win? dont make me talk win in here but, if you make a slipstream disk of xp with sp2, no floppies needed for anything anymore i think
[08:36] <hazmat> jgeorgeson, to me it looks as though you can do multiple network cards there.
[08:36] <dpro> well.. now i have this strange Transmeta Crusoe TM5800 CPU. How do i easily recompile my kernel?
[08:36] <jgeorgeson> hazmat: but id doesn't get rid of 'networking.'
[08:36] <fragment> linux_mafia, try using 3ware controllers, or anything else that doesn't have drivers as part of the base.
[08:37] <fragment> linux_mafia, lots of RAID controllers won't have drivers on the CD.
[08:37] <hazmat> jgeorgeson, no net interfaces minus localhost/loopback doesn't amount to the same?
[08:37] <linux_mafia> fragment, sp2 is a big fuckoff sp, i think theres a lot of shit on there
[08:37] <linux_mafia> fragment, no they dont
[08:38] <fragment> But, no TS Client users here?  I'm wondering if it'll let me create Citrix/ICA sessions with a default icaclient install, or if there's something else I'll have to do to get it in the menu(s).
[08:39] <dredg> demented. damn thing should accept any removable media instead of just floppies
[08:39] <fragment> Trying not to butcher the beautifully clean Ubuntu menus.  :)
[08:40] <dredg> all new servers i get in are floppy-less. getting a floppy drive into these things is more pain than its worth.
[08:40] <jgeorgeson> hazmat: but what about other services. I thought maybe dpro wanted to get rid of all those too. he thanked us, and linux_mafia in specific, so I probably misunderstood the request. but disabling the NICs isn't the same as booting without any networking (booting in runlevel 2)
[08:40] <fragment> All of ours have the slimline CD/floppy thing
[08:41] <linux_mafia> jgeorgeson, yes but its not gonna "feel" out with no nic, i assume hes probably talking about the ntp sync
[08:42] <jgeorgeson> linux_mafia: does ubuntu have ntp enabled by default? can that be disabled easily in the install?
[08:43] <linux_mafia> TheMonoTone, could you use debian proper netinst floppy, then give ubuntu repos?
[08:43] <TheMonoTone> linux_mafia, I don't know
[08:43] <TheMonoTone> I'll try that next time
[08:44] <TheMonoTone> its already installed now though
[08:44] <TheMonoTone> so no big deal
[08:44] <linux_mafia> jgeorgeson, ntp enabled by default i think, i cant remember telling it to use it, rcconf does not include ntpdate, i suppose you would have to use update-rc.d to turn it off, but i hate cli, if i dont have to use it
[08:45] <dredg> ntpdate is in rcS.d
[08:45] <dredg> which is a bit of a pain, as it runs on my laptop before pcmcia does :)
[08:45] <hazmat> it is does ntp by default... i just assumed there was a dependency system between rc files... like in gentoo ;-)
[08:45] <linux_mafia> dredg, yes its dumb
[08:46] <rapha_> Hi all!
[08:46] <hazmat> hi rapha_
[08:46] <linux_mafia> not high enough :(
[08:46] <rapha_> Is it hard to get a German Ubuntu?
[08:47] <dpro> ehh no... just choose it at installation?
[08:47] <rapha_> Oh. Cool.
[08:47] <dpro> i think so.. it works with danish P:
[08:48] <TheMonoTone> k3b doesn't see my cdrom drive as being burnable, would that mean I need to setup the drive with scsi emulation
[08:48] <TheMonoTone> I've been using freebsd for a few years now...
[08:48] <linux_mafia> TheMonoTone, using root, er sudo? or as normal user?
[08:48] <rapha_> And everything will be in German? GNOME, Evo and so forth? My gf is getting a computer, and their family is a Windows family. So I'd only like her to see Linux at its best; and she won't accept any English in her OS (sad but true)....
[08:48] <TheMonoTone> sudo
[08:49] <TheMonoTone> oh wait nm
[08:49] <TheMonoTone> haha, I forgot to run it under sudo
[08:49] <dpro> rapha_: im not sure, but most of it will be in german
[08:49] <dpro> not the man pages
[08:49] <dpro> but the rest
[08:51] <linux_mafia> TheMonoTone, it wouldnt normally matter, you run setup initially as root, and then normal users can burn, but there is a bug/problem with 2.6.8.x that stops that
[08:51] <rapha_> Cool
[08:51] <rapha_> Then I'll be curious as to how Ubuntu will compete with Windows XP for her...
[08:51] <TheMonoTone> ah
[08:51] <TheMonoTone> I'll just make the icon do sudo k3b then
[08:51] <wiler> Well, I went through the steps required to install ndiswrapper, when I try to do 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper' I get this: FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[08:51] <linux_mafia> rapha_, i can almost guarantee she will hate spatial
[08:51] <TheMonoTone> thanks
[08:52] <dpro> rapha_: its running very good on my laptop
[08:52] <dpro> rapha_: i was suprised how fast it was
[08:53] <jgeorgeson> rapha_: I'm with linux_mafia on the spatial thing, you might consider setting the preference to browse by default
[08:53] <peringz> how can I know the gcc version on my ubuntu box?
[08:53] <opi> gcc -version
[08:53] <opi> --
[08:53] <opi> or
[08:54] <opi> apt-cache show gcc
[08:54] <a> I get sound at startup but not playing CDs with Ubuntu.  HOw can I fix this?
[08:54] <a> is there a sound mixer?
[08:54] <peringz> gcc command not available
[08:54] <jgeorgeson> a: load the volume mixer and check the CD volume
[08:54] <linux_mafia> TheMonoTone, if you are interested http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=22028&highlight=k3b+root+mmc
[08:54] <peringz> does that mean gcc not installed
[08:54] <opi> peringz: possibly
[08:54] <dpro> peringz: do the apt-cahce show gcc
[08:54] <dredg> peringz: apt-get install build-essential
[08:55] <a> umm... where's the volume mixer?
[08:55] <ama> alsamixer
[08:55] <ama> or kmix
[08:55] <ama> dunno what the gnome is called
[08:55] <octalc0de> why do i get static on my speakers
[08:55] <ama> gmix maybe?
[08:55] <peringz> do I need gcc to run java (blackdown) in my system
[08:55] <amphi> aumix
[08:55] <linux_mafia> peringz, no
[08:55] <opi> peringz: no
[08:55] <opi> peringz: for building stuff, compiling kernel
[08:55] <TheMonoTone> well, time to go put this thing to use now, and type up a few papers
[08:55] <jgeorgeson> a: it will be in the sound/multimedia menu group
[08:55] <peringz> Requirements
[08:56] <peringz>     - i586 compatible system
[08:56] <peringz>     - glibc 2.2.5 or newer
[08:56] <peringz>     - kernel 2.4.18 or newer
[08:56] <peringz>     - XFree 4.2 or newer
[08:56] <peringz>     - libstdc++ from gcc-3.2 or newer (only needed for the gcc-3.2 Java build)
[08:56] <peringz>     - Mozilla 1.0 or newer built with gcc-2.95 or gcc-3.2 depending
[08:56] <peringz>       on which Java build you use (needed only for the Java Plug-In)
[08:56] <opi> r (only needed for the gcc-3.2 Java build)
[08:56] <peringz> ooops sorry
[08:56] <opi> lubstdc++
[08:56] <opi> lib
[08:56] <peringz> okay
[08:56] <jemfinch> opi: that sounds like a Freudian slip.
[08:57] <jgeorgeson> a: you could also click on the volume panel applet, and it will have an option to open the mixer
[08:57] <peringz> so which plugin shud I choose when including plugin for firefox
[08:57] <pyramid> jgeorgeson, how do you set nautilus out of the spatial mode...i too am bothered by this
[08:57] <wiler> Has anyone had trouble loading the ndiswrapper module after installing it?
[08:57] <rapha_> linux_mafia: Hehe. No way. She's gonna get spatial. It was made for people like her, and I'm finding it invaluable myself (being a programmer and power user). Besides I don't think she'll do much file management
[08:58] <opi> jemfinch: nope, Im not native speaker ;p
[08:58] <jgeorgeson> pyramid: off the menu, there should be a file browser entry under preferences. launch it, one of the tabs should have a checkbox to make browsing the default
[08:58] <linux_mafia> pyramid, easy way or hard way?
[08:58] <peringz> i'm confused which blackdown java shud I install gcc one or the other one?
[08:58] <opi> jemfinch: you can translate lub in my language as ,,or'' ;)
[08:58] <jemfinch> heh
[08:59] <pyramid> the easy way for gnome2.8
[08:59] <jemfinch> in English it's sometimes used instead of "luv" which is a replacement for "love"
[08:59] <Sirius_Black> to install ubuntu with 2.6 kernel, what do i do 
[08:59] <opi> jemfinch: I dislike sutch English :/
[08:59] <Tomcat_> Sirius_Black: Download the installer CD, then boot from it and install? :D
[08:59] <linux_mafia> pyramid, get gtweakui from debian unstable, install, use
[08:59] <Sirius_Black> Tomcat_: is 2.6.8 the default kernel?
[09:00] <Tomcat_> Yes.
[09:00] <opi> jemfinch: Mine ain't better, yet, I prefer to read good english instead of ,,kiddish''
[09:00] <Sirius_Black> Tomcat_: i thought if just hit enter i would get 2.4 kernel rather tahn 2,6 :-)
[09:00] <pyramid> i am looking at file browser prefernces..but i don't see how to turn the spatial mode off.
[09:01] <opi> jemfinch: all this U instead of you, 2 as too/to and w00t sound silly ;P
[09:01] <jemfinch> hehe
[09:01] <a> I installed aumix, turned up CD volume ... no sound from CD yet.. any ideas?
[09:01] <jgeorgeson> linux_mafia: is there really no option in the file browser preference app? there is one in fedora, I just assumed it was added upstream
[09:01] <pyramid> i would like it to behave more like konqeror
[09:01] <dpro> can i use debian apt-get mirrors?
[09:01] <linux_mafia> jgeorgeson, i dont think so, im not actually sure
[09:01] <dpro> cause i need plugins and so on for mozilla...
[09:01] <opi> dpro: IF you have to
[09:02] <opi> dpro: it's not wise to mix Ubuntu with Debian ;)
[09:02] <opi> only, if you have The Skills :)
[09:02] <jgeorgeson> linux_mafia: i hate when i try a different distro and find such little niceties were added in fedora instead of upstream
[09:02] <linux_mafia> pyramid, really, instead of doing that, run gconf-editor and /apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_browser to true
[09:02] <dpro> opi ok... well... if how do i install plugins for mozilla then?
[09:02] <jgeorgeson> dpor: just enable the 'universe' component of the ubuntu repos
[09:02] <pyramid> the only choices in file browser behavior is double click..run executables...and empty the trash
[09:02] <dpro> if i cant use debian apt-get sources
[09:02] <opi> dpro: you can download it and dpkg -i package
[09:03] <opi> dpro: or use universe
[09:03] <linux_mafia> jgeorgeson, no you can
[09:03] <dpro> universe?
[09:03] <opi> it's Ubuntu word for outside packages ;)
[09:03] <jgeorgeson> linux
[09:03] <pyramid> i just don't like the way nautilus opens windows everywhere...i prefer to click on a folder and display the results in the same window
[09:03] <a> in sources.list , uncomment the universe sources
[09:03] <jgeorgeson> linux_mafia: no i can what?
[09:04] <linux_mafia> pyramid, file manager prefs -> behaviour -> behaviour open in browser windows
[09:04] <linux_mafia> jgeorgeson, that
[09:04] <pyramid> ok i found that checkbox...let me try it out
[09:04] <jgeorgeson> linux_mafia: sweet. i'm have windows booted right now so I couldn't dig for it myself
[09:04] <a> I get sound at startup, no CD sound,  I turned up CD volume in aumix, stlll no CD sound... how come?
[09:05] <pyramid> yes it is working...fantastic...great job gnome
[09:05] <peringz> how can I uninstall j2re from sun systems?
[09:05] <jgeorgeson> a: do you have the audio cable running from your cd to your sound card?
[09:05] <linux_mafia> a - thats the worst nick ever
[09:05] <a> ya ... bad nick
[09:05] <opi> ;))
[09:05] <linux_mafia> a - do you use analog cable, or dae?
[09:05] <thaw> how long has ubuntu been out for?
[09:05] <a> nothing changed from other installs with CD working
[09:05] <a> analog
[09:05] <jgeorgeson> peringz: I just download from java.sun.com, and run the sh to install it in /usr/local, and then symlink the plugin in .../firefox/plugins
[09:05] <linux_mafia> thaw, about 2 weeks
[09:06] <pyramid> now my next project is to try and get cameras working for GNU/Linux
[09:06] <peringz> jgeorgeson, now I want uninstall j2re any idea how?
[09:06] <pyramid> i finally got a compile on digikam and gtkam
[09:06] <jgeorgeson> pyramid, if you have the gtkam and gphoto stuff installed, you might just be able to plug it in (assuming it's a usb camera)
[09:07] <jgeorgeson> peringz: using my 'install' method just delete the symlink and rm -rf /usr/local/java
[09:07] <peringz> ok thanks
[09:07] <a> pity
[09:07] <pyramid> jgeorgeson, no i had a camera but it worked only on windows..i never could get it to work on linux...but there is a list of cameras in digikam..maybe i should try one of those.
[09:07] <jgeorgeson> a: the mute checkbox isn't checked for the cd channel is it?
[09:08] <a> not according to aumix
[09:08] <linux_mafia> a - apt-get install xmms-cdread
[09:08] <a> it's about 50%
[09:08] <a> ok
[09:08] <pyramid> just like my HP and Brother printers....i never could get them to work in linux...but i finally got epson mfc cx5400 to work in linux
[09:08] <linux_mafia> a - hangon, actually i think thats for dae
[09:09] <q2> HEllo Qo-noS
[09:09] <pyramid> so you know..it is just one step at a time
[09:09] <jgeorgeson> a: do you get any error messages, or does the app think everything is playing fine?
[09:09] <jgeorgeson> pyramid: march on, brave soldier ;
[09:10] <a> xmms thinks it's playing but no sound
[09:10] <jgeorgeson> a: do other apps have the same problem?
[09:11] <a> yup... zinf, etc
[09:11] <jgeorgeson> a: does it work if you run it under sudo?
[09:11] <a> ahh...
[09:12] <jgeorgeson> a: maybe your user should be in the audio group or something (i've had that problem with pure debian before)
[09:12] <a> not under sudo either
[09:13] <LinuxJones> a: is the application saying that it is playing the song ?
[09:13] <jgeorgeson> a: your speakers don't have the volume all the way down do they?
[09:13] <a> nope, I get sound at startup
[09:13] <a> yes app says it's playing 
[09:13] <jgeorgeson> a: sounds like quite a party trick you've got there
[09:13] <a> :-)
[09:14] <LinuxJones> a: well it has to be volume turned down
[09:14] <a> huh
[09:14] <jgeorgeson> does ubuntu use x.org? if so what version?
[09:14] <LinuxJones> a: yoursure it is not muted ?
[09:14] <punkass_> did u check alsamixer to make sure volumes are up and not Muted
[09:14] <RandyWalker> hello ubuntu people :)
[09:14] <darksatanic> jgeorgeson: No, it uses XFree86.
[09:14] <a> I checked aumix, 
[09:14] <LinuxJones> RandyWalker, hi
[09:14] <normnmiles> jgeorgeson: not this version...but it's planned for next i think
[09:14] <darksatanic> jgeorgeson: It will use X.org in the next version, they claim.
[09:14] <punkass_> run: alsamixer in a terminal
[09:15] <punkass_> normally the only two u need to worry about are Master and PCM
[09:15] <hazmat> next version will be spring next year...
[09:15] <RandyWalker> so... I don't suppose there're ATI AiW drivers for Ubuntu? :)
[09:15] <punkass_> make sure there is no MM at the tops
[09:16] <staticactivity> hello everyone, i've just finished installing ubuntu, its really good
[09:16] <poj> is there a known fix yet for the firefox updater issue ? ;-)
[09:16] <jgeorgeson> 4th times a charm, is there any suspend-to-disk functionality packaged into ubuntu?
[09:16] <poj> I can run firefox as root but thats hardly desireable <G>
[09:16] <LinuxJones> staticactivity, we all feel the same :)
[09:16] <Sirius_Black> is it possible to do just a basic ubuntu install (no X etc etc etc) 
[09:17] <LinuxJones> Sirius_Black, yes you can do a base install
[09:17] <hazmat> jgeorgeson, there seems to be some.. yes.. at least it suspends for me on a powerbook
[09:17] <Sirius_Black> LinuxJones: please feel free to elaborate :-)
[09:17] <staticactivity> can i directly edit the xfree config file to change the color depth
[09:17] <jgeorgeson> hazmat: to disk or to ram? (if you remove the power cable and battery, can you still resume)
[09:18] <LinuxJones> Sirius_Black, >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions see # 11
[09:18] <jgeorgeson> staticactivity, i can't imagine why not
[09:18] <jemfinch> so ubuntu is a Python-friendly distribution?
[09:18] <LinuxJones> staticactivity, you can also run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[09:18] <staticactivity> jgeorgeson: I was doubtful as X it was automatically configured
[09:18] <linux_mafia> Sirius_Black, type custom at install prompt
[09:18] <LinuxJones> jemfinch, it's installed by default
[09:19] <punkass_> jemfinch: yes it is
[09:19] <staticactivity> LinuxJones: ok, i'll try that. thanks
[09:19] <jgeorgeson> i'd really love to see someone take the system-config apps from redhat, and package them for debian. that would make my year
[09:19] <jemfinch> why was Python picked?
[09:19] <Sirius_Black> linux_mafia: will that let me do basci install with 2.6 kernel tho'
[09:19] <punkass_> maybe cuz pygtk works well with gnome
[09:19] <LinuxJones> jemfinch, why was it picked for inclusion into Ubuntu ?
[09:20] <jgeorgeson> jemfinch: because python is super wesome
[09:20] <jgeorgeson> super awesome even
[09:20] <jemfinch> LinuxJones: yes :)
[09:20] <jemfinch> oh, super awesome? :)
[09:20] <jemfinch> well, that clinches it.
[09:20] <LinuxJones> jemfinch, it's easy to work with I suppose
[09:20] <jgeorgeson> glad i could help
[09:20] <normnmiles> jemfinch: from faq.."Python is a great glue language. Ubuntu is open to requests for funding work that needs to be done to make Python the most widespread common scripting language on the net."
[09:21] <jemfinch> normnmiles: ah, that makes sense.
[09:21] <jemfinch> does this channel have any bots?
[09:22] <jgeorgeson> jemfinch: i'm just curious, is there a different scripting language you prefer?
[09:22] <jemfinch> jgeorgeson: no, I'm actually a Python hacker myself :)
[09:22] <jemfinch> jgeorgeson: I was just curious what the reasons were for ubuntu picking Python.
[09:22] <jgeorgeson> jemfinch: super awesome indeed
[09:23] <Sirius_Black> ok guys - i wanna install ubuntu on a mchine with a small HD.  128Mb swap and 1.4Gb for /.  Is that enuff?
[09:23] <opi> Sirius_Black: should be enuff
[09:23] <normnmiles> the default install is 1.5g  might be pushing it
[09:23] <opi> Sirius_Black: depends what you're going to install
[09:24] <opi> Sirius_Black: use custom mode and apt-get it by hand
[09:24] <Sirius_Black> tnx opi
[09:25] <jemfinch> jgeorgeson: the reason I was asking why the channel had any bots is because at some point, I can imagine people might want a bot in the channel, and I've just the bot for them :)
[09:25] <sladen> Sirius_Black: the base install is 1248MB + overhead + space for copied packages, so you'll need to choose custom
[09:26] <Sirius_Black> sladen: tnx mate.  lemme start again then :-(
[09:27] <Sirius_Black> is kernel-source-2.6.8 (the one with ubuntu 4.10 CD) on the CD?
[09:27] <opi> Sirius_Black: it's in apt resp. for sure
[09:27] <opi> Sirius_Black: or kernel.org :)
[09:28] <a> my mobo has AC97 onboard sound but I have an SBLive card too... thought that might be the problem, but neither one is working for CD sound .. although there's sound at startup
[09:28] <a> is this another bad karma issue?
[09:28] <opi> can't tell
[09:28] <opi> haven't use analog CD ever :)
[09:30] <a> so tell me... will installing things from universe break my system:  a) sometimes b) never c) don't know  ?
[09:31] <Sirius_Black> d) most of the time :-)
[09:31] <a> universe stuff is compiled with "main" libraries?  does that mean it shouldn't break stuff?
[09:31] <a> seriously... is it risky installing from universe?
[09:32] <LinuxJones> a, it should be ok
[09:32] <LinuxJones> a, I am running some stuff from universe and have no problems
[09:32] <a> "should" ?  on a scale of 1 to 10 means...
[09:32] <a> is this like "unstable" vs. vanilla , etc.  ?
[09:32] <|trey|> a: install them, they are fine... Sirius_Black is just trying to scare you...
[09:33] <LinuxJones> a, It is unsupported software so you take your chances. I can't guarantee that something bad will not happen to your system.
[09:33] <Sirius_Black> a: sorry mate, i was just joking
[09:33] <a> I read unsupported for security updates
[09:33] <|trey|> a: they will begin to come from Sid, so you should be careful (install apt-listbugs), but for the most part, they will be just as stable as other packages, and will fit into your system just fine...
[09:34] <a> can anyone compare this to Libranet's "safe update archive"?  same idea? better?
[09:34] <a> don't think Libranet has 13,000 apps 
[09:35] <|trey|> a: I would trust them more then anything from Libranet... Libranet devs aren't even Debian Developers...
[09:35] <Sirius_Black> vga=788 is framebuffered console at 800X600, vga=791 is framebuffred console at 1024x768.  does anyone know which values is for 1024x600?
[09:35] <a> who'd want 1024X600?
[09:36] <Sirius_Black> a: me
[09:36] <a> why?
[09:36] <Sirius_Black> i have an old toshiba portege 300ct
[09:36] <|trey|> Sirius_Black: doesn't exist... look through Gentoo docs, they have them all listed...
[09:36] <a> ahhhh...
[09:36] <Sirius_Black> |trey|: tnx
[09:36] <staticactivity> why can't I become root by giving 'su' or 'su -'
[09:36] <a> Gentoo = permanent beta testing
[09:36] <a> :-)
[09:36] <|trey|> a: comments based on opinion are not warrented...
[09:37] <a> or even warranted
[09:37] <|trey|> a: fucking tool
[09:37] <a> tut tut...
[09:37] <LinuxJones> staticactivity, there is no root user account enabled by default use sudo and type your password instead
[09:38] <|trey|> Gentoo's docs list something that is useful to him... I'm not telling him to use Gentoo... your opinion is useless.
[09:38] <staticactivity> LinuxJones: so can I even mount my ntfs partitions with that
[09:38] <Nomad> where is gkrellm?
[09:38] <a> sorry dude... just being light... try it sometime
[09:38] <LinuxJones> staticactivity, oh yes 
[09:39] <normnmiles> nomad you need to install it...sudo apt-get install gkrellm
[09:39] <|trey|> staticactivity: its safe for reading, just don't change too many files  ;)
[09:39] <Nomad> thnx
[09:39] <staticactivity> |trey|: yeah i just want to copy some files, thanks
[09:40] <Lv> ...as a gentoo dev, i take offense to that statement
[09:40] <|trey|> staticactivity: should be fine  :)
[09:40] <|trey|> Lv: no one cares   ;)
[09:40] <Lv> :P
[09:40] <dickm[coding] > aaagh
[09:40] <Nomad>  gkrellm
[09:41] <staticactivity> hey one more question, how can i change the default keybinding to emacs
[09:41] <|trey|> Lv: Gentoo's fine... this is #ubuntu though... y'all did very well with docs, and thought it would be helpful to him  :)
[09:41] <staticactivity> i remember gnome 2.6 having an option in 'Keyboard Shortcuts'
[09:41] <|trey|> staticactivity: afaik, you have to do it via gconf now  :/
[09:41] <a> "Gentoo's fine"  <--- not another opinion is it ?
[09:42] <Lv> 0.o
[09:42] <opi> no flame wars, please
[09:42] <opi> Gentoo's fine, Ubuntu's fine, Window's fine
[09:42] <|trey|> staticactivity: look through google, I forget the exact place to change it...
[09:43] <staticactivity> |trey|: gconf-editor?
[09:43] <|trey|> staticactivity: yeah, cept google can tell you were to look more specifically  :)
[09:43] <staticactivity> |trey|: okay, i'll check it out, thanks
[09:44] <jgeorgeson> can the ubuntu installer specify ssid and 128bit wep keys?
[09:45] <|trey|> jgeorgeson: no idea... #debian-boot
[09:45] <|trey|> I think thats the right channel for debian-installer questions...
[09:45] <Sirius_Black> guys - i just did a basic ubunut install and i tired to apt-cache search kernel-source.  i got nothing :-(
[09:46] <|trey|> jgeorgeson: yeah, please type /j #debian-boot  - its the same installer  :)
[09:46] <Sirius_Black> what do i need to add to sources.list to get 2.6.8.1-2-386 kernel sourse
[09:46] <|trey|> Sirius_Black: absolutly nothing
[09:46] <dredg> Sirius_Black: linux-source
[09:46] <linux_mafia> Sirius_Black, what arch you on?
[09:46] <|trey|> dredg: he said what does he need in sources.list, its in main  :/
[09:46] <Sirius_Black> dredg: i thought it was kernel-source
[09:47] <Sirius_Black> linux_mafia: 1586
[09:47] <|trey|> Sirius_Black: wrong again, making a habbit of that aren't you
[09:47] <Sirius_Black> **linux_mafia: i586
[09:47] <jgeorgeson> |trey| no need to say it twice, i'm currently waiting for their response. :)
[09:47] <dredg> |trey|: yes, but the package is 'linux-source' not 'kernel-source'
[09:47] <Sirius_Black> dredg: cheers mate
[09:47] <|trey|> jgeorgeson: ahh... sorry, checked myself  :)
[09:47] <linux_mafia> holy hell, do we need to join #anger_management
[09:48] <|trey|> dredg: still didn't answer his question... :/
[09:48] <jgeorgeson> linux_mafia: screw you ...;)
[09:48] <|trey|> linux_mafia: I see no anger  :/
[09:48] <Sirius_Black> dredg: ahh yes - apt-get install linux-source-2.6.8.1 seams to work :-))
[09:48] <|trey|> *coughseemscough*
[09:49] <dredg> |trey|: if he just did a "basic ubunut install" the he wouldnt have to add *anything* to his sources.list
[09:49] <linux_mafia> ubunut, heh
[09:49] <dredg> direct copy & paste from above :)
[09:49] <linux_mafia> i am well aware of that :)
[09:50] <linux_mafia> its 8.50 am here, just opened a bottle of champagne, life is good
[09:50] <octalc0de> i can't find my coffee
[09:50] <octalc0de> >:(
[09:50] <dredg> coffee shmoffee :)
[09:51] <|trey|> octalc0de: I drank it... my bad  :o
[09:51] <linux_mafia> what about champagne?
[09:51] <linux_mafia> dredg, you like that?
[09:51] <|trey|> linux_mafia: fucking alcoholic  ;)
[09:51] <dredg> cant drink alcohol :) medication says not to :)
[09:52] <|trey|> dredg: what medication? anything decent?  ;)
[09:52] <linux_mafia> |trey|, i am actually
[09:52] <dredg> christ, no coffee, no alcohol and i just gave up cigarettes. how fucking boring did i get? :)
[09:52] <|trey|> linux_mafia: ahh, sorry man, just playing  :/
[09:52] <linux_mafia> |trey|, thats all good
[09:52] <LinuxJones> watch the language please guys
[09:52] <jgeorgeson> |trey|: no straight forward answer, but I think they said yes
[09:52] <linux_mafia> what language
[09:53] <|trey|> LinuxJones: bah, there are no business people here... chill
[09:53] <linux_mafia> oh swearing
[09:53] <LinuxJones> |trey|, how do you know that ?
[09:53] <linux_mafia> i got banned from #fedora for swearing to much
[09:53] <|trey|> LinuxJones: because I looked through the list  :/
[09:54] <linux_mafia> there could be priests or small children
[09:54] <jgeorgeson> linux_mafia: and |trey| and I need anger management ... 
[09:54] <|trey|> linux_mafia: good job... I got banned cuz I proved |Jef| wrong, and he didn't like it...
[09:54] <joem> hopefully not both...
[09:54] <|trey|> jgeorgeson: I have no anger.. 
[09:54] <jgeorgeson> |trey| no need to bite my head off
[09:54] <|trey|> jgeorgeson: I didn't  :/
[09:55] <|trey|> jgeorgeson: caps = yelling... you see any caps?
[09:55] <jgeorgeson> |trey|, i know, i thought it was funny when linux_mafia mentioned it earlier, and be driving the joke into the ground
[09:55] <linux_mafia> |trey| why you hate messaging?
[09:56] <fragment> Hey, what's the default permissions for /tmp?
[09:56] <|trey|> linux_mafia: because I don't know you, and have no desire to... anything you have to say should be fine via /notice or in the channel...
[09:56] <|trey|> fragment: 777 usually...
[09:57] <fragment> I always forget and butcher my /tmp ownership and permissions when I run the java install.
[09:57] <crimsun> 777 and +t
[09:57] <fragment> Java or Citrix....
[09:57] <linux_mafia> |trey|, whatever, just cause i was swearing, but if you have that attitude then sweet, you can eat a d**k up
[09:57] <|trey|> crimsun: hmm, whats t?
[09:57] <crimsun> sticky
[09:57] <crimsun> drwxrwxrwt-
[09:58] <fragment> and ownership?
[09:58] <|trey|> linux_mafia: and you're wondering why you were banned from #fedora...
[09:58] <crimsun> root:root
[09:58] <fragment> Great!  Thanks!
[09:58] <linux_mafia> no i never wondered
[09:58] <|trey|> linux_mafia: personal attacks are a pretty good way to get banned from any channel
[09:59] <menator> Just wondering before I make the switch, does ubuntu have packages for mono?
[09:59] <linux_mafia> thaw, whats up?
[09:59] <joem> please take it somewhere else guys
[09:59] <|trey|> menator: in universe I believe...
[09:59] <thaw> Nothing.
[09:59] <joem> menator, there is an unofficial mono repo
[10:00] <linux_mafia> thaw, sweet, just that you were versioning me
[10:00] <plangent> What do folks have against perl anyhow?
[10:00] <linux_mafia> jgeorgeson, later man
[10:00] <fragment> Also, I'm dual-booting this laptop, which means the system clock is set to local time.  I didn't see that option in the time and date settings, and was wondering if there's a selection in the GUI somewhere.
[10:00] <plangent> Just because python is new and shiny?
[10:01] <darksatanic> plangent: It's because far too many people take the phrase "there's more than one way to do it" as a commandment, not a dire warning...
[10:01] <|trey|> plangent: umm, the devs for ubuntu just like python better apparently... most distro's do...
[10:01] <plangent> Ok
[10:01] <fragment> plangent, ophiciophobic?
[10:01] <linux_mafia> menator, http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs 
[10:01] <ndowens> hey
[10:01] <mendel> I am have trouble with apt-get update. I keep getting a failed to fetch Packages.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1). Is there a problem with the repo or do I need to do something to fix.
[10:02] <ndowens> it's a bad apt source mendel
[10:02] <|trey|> mendel: check sources.list.. something is typed wrong
[10:02] <t35t0r> so what makes ubuntu different from deb?
[10:02] <ndowens> it's the first apt source in sources.list that is bad i think
[10:02] <ndowens> it's based on sid t35t0r 
[10:02] <ndowens> newest stuff
[10:02] <menator> linux_mafia: thx
[10:03] <linux_mafia> no worries
[10:03] <crimsun> actually it's probably your catching the repo when Packages.gz is being regenerated (as it is every 30 minutes); try again in 5 minutes, menator 
[10:03] <|trey|> t35t0r: regular updates, supported sid... desktop targeting... all changes go back to debian... debian developers involved, but also easy entry for newer devs...
[10:03] <ndowens> another guy had the same problem, the other time and removing the first source solved the problem
[10:03] <crimsun> the first source is usually the cd
[10:04] <ndowens> well the first internet source
[10:05] <ndowens> mendel try # the first internet source in sources.list
[10:05] <mendel> I will check it now.
[10:05] <ndowens> k
[10:05] <|trey|> ahh... request, if there are devs around... any chance you could put a timeout on ntp lookup? doesn't appear to work here, and it never moves on till I hit ctrl+c  :/
[10:06] <opi> |trey|: how about & at the end?
[10:07] <|trey|> opi: its during boot  :/
[10:07] <opi> |trey|: so?
[10:08] <|trey|> opi: so backgrounding it will do jack shit  :/
[10:08] <opi> |trey|: text_editor /etc/rc.d/file
[10:08] <jamesdorn> hazmat: you available?
[10:08] <opi> |trey|: do you denpend on NTP?
[10:08] <hazmat> jamesdorn, yup
[10:08] <|trey|> opi: it will still stall the boot process  :/
[10:08] <|trey|> opi: no
[10:08] <jamesdorn> hazmat: I downloaded that iso, and still having the same problem
[10:08] <jamesdorn> on two diffrent machines.
[10:08] <hazmat> hmmm
[10:09] <jamesdorn> you think there could be a bug in the iso's?
[10:09] <jamesdorn> When they are mounted Disk Utility says 'A background process did not start correctly"
[10:09] <hazmat> i don't think so... i didn't have any problems.. and i haven't heard of any others either on the list or here.
[10:09] <opi> |trey|: if you make NTP go background, it won't lock script anymore, yes?
[10:09] <jamesdorn> hrm.
[10:09] <hazmat> jamesdorn, out of curosity what version of mac ?
[10:09] <|trey|> opi: are you a dev? if no, my question was not for you.
[10:10] <jamesdorn> OS X 10.3.3
[10:10] <hazmat> wacky
[10:10] <jamesdorn> yeah
[10:10] <hazmat> jamesdorn, have you burned iso on osx before?
[10:10] <jamesdorn> on my powerbook and this powermac
[10:10] <jamesdorn> hazmat: Yes sir. all the time.
[10:10] <fragment> Hey punkass
[10:10] <Exasparilla> jamesdorn: how do you do that? burn the iso?
[10:11] <cowbud> is there some kinda system update applet for ubuntu that I am not seeing or  is it drop to cmd line and apt-get ? 
[10:11] <hazmat> well... the other option is having a cd sent out to you
[10:11] <Exasparilla> offtopic, i know
[10:11] <hazmat> cowbud, synaptic 
[10:11] <opi> |trey|: so I should shut up?
[10:11] <LinuxJones> cowbud, you can run synaptic
[10:11] <|trey|> jamesdorn: why not just use Fink on OS X? still Debian package management tools...
[10:11] <jamesdorn> Normally, i'll ether mount the image and selected it in Disk Utility and select 'Burn' or click Burn Image from the menu, and select it from the file list
[10:11] <hazmat> computer -> system configuration -> package manager
[10:11] <|trey|> opi: please  :)
[10:11] <guptan> how can I get basic devel tools for ubuntu (like gcc and all)
[10:11] <crimsun> |trey|: that's awfully rude.
[10:11] <|trey|> guptan: apt-get install build-essential
[10:11] <opi> |trey|: that's not very nice, but ok, as you wish
[10:12] <Exasparilla> jamesdorn: Ah. Thanks.  I had to do that and I don't know my way around osx
[10:12] <|trey|> crimsun: he asked  :/
[10:12] <guptan> thanks |trey| 
[10:12] <hazmat> jamesdorn, normally i don't mount the image, i just use disk image to select the image after popping in a cd
[10:12] <crimsun> |trey|: you do realise that you're better off filing on bugzilla?
[10:12] <hazmat> er. disk utility
[10:12] <jamesdorn> |trey|: I would, but even Toast wont burn the iso correctly
[10:12] <jamesdorn> |trey|: So I think it's the ISO
[10:13] <hazmat> i've had problems with toast and burning iso, disk utility tends to work better for me.
[10:13] <|trey|> jamesdorn: tried just cdrecord? 2.6.8.1 breaks cd burning...
[10:13] <jamesdorn> hazmat: Disk Utility will crash if I do that... 'Unexpectly'
[10:13] <|trey|> jamesdorn: need to be root to get all burn commands
[10:13] <hazmat> jamesdorn, if you don't have the image mounted
[10:13] <jamesdorn> |trey|: No.
[10:13] <hazmat> and you pop in a cd, fire up disk utility and select the image for burning .. does that work?
[10:13] <guptan> is there any difference b'ween gcc 3.2 blackdown java and blackdown java
[10:13] <Suit> Hi, is there a channel dedicated to the powerpc version?
[10:13] <jamesdorn> hazmat: Disk Utility crashes when I select the image.
[10:14] <|trey|> jamesdorn: as root (so sudo -s) 'cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc --speed=<something> --data file.iso'
[10:14] <dredg> jamesdorn: are the md5sums the same?
[10:14] <|trey|> jamesdorn: tell me if that works  :)
[10:14] <jamesdorn> dredg: here'
[10:14] <TdC_VgA> does ubuntu ask for a root password at install?
[10:14] <crimsun> no
[10:14] <jamesdorn> dredg: here's the problem. If I run 'md5 <iso name>' the computer has no output. it just sits there.
[10:14] <LinuxJones> TdC_VgA, no
[10:14] <TdC_VgA> cause i dont remember it asking, and i sure dont know what i typed if it did
[10:15] <TdC_VgA> excellent
[10:15] <crimsun> it configures your user account for sudo access
[10:15] <|trey|> crimsun: I suppose, I never check back to bugzilla though, so I would get no feedback incase there is a valid reason I might want to know about...
[10:15] <Exasparilla> Does ubuntu have advantages over Debian if one doesn't intend to run gnome?
[10:15] <dredg> jamesdorn: well, it does take a while to md5sum an iso
[10:15] <hazmat> jamesdorn, other than trying |trey|'s suggestion.. the ubuntu team (canonical) can send you a cd free of charge http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/
[10:15] <TdC_VgA> so when i do an apt-get update -u it shouldnt give me any problems?
[10:15] <t35t0r> if i build an athlon64 box for $1k can i get a similarly configured mac box for the same price?
[10:15] <|trey|> hazmat: I requested one of those, and have yet to receive it...
[10:15] <Suit> No
[10:16] <spoonyG> selecting synaptic from gnome menu asks for root pass... what is it?>
[10:16] <crimsun> no
[10:16] <crimsun> definitely not, t35t0r 
[10:16] <TdC_VgA> mac box for 1k?
[10:16] <|trey|> spoonyG: no, it asks for YOUR password... its gksudo not gksu
[10:16] <jamesdorn> hazmat: the free shipment is i386 only
[10:16] <TdC_VgA> ummm MAYBE an apple two
[10:16] <LinuxJones> spoonyG, it is asking for your user password
[10:16] <jamesdorn> I need to install cdrecord
[10:16] <t35t0r> hah
[10:16] <dredg> actually, the irish LUG agm is ina  couple weeks. must grab some cds from shipit
[10:16] <spoonyG> doh!
[10:16] <spoonyG> thanks
[10:16] <t35t0r> i can't find any links comparing say a G5 to an athlon 64 3200+ 
[10:17] <mendel> still got problems with apt-get update. I tried two different repos and still get gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data -- crc error for the main packages
[10:17] <TdC_VgA> nhard to compare
[10:17] <|trey|> When are the shipit requests getting sent out? during final release?
[10:17] <jamesdorn> so slow... 39 sec for 16.9mb
[10:18] <absurdhero> who is funding ubuntu?
[10:18] <|trey|> mendel: what does the repo state? (copy paste line from sources.list)
[10:18] <cowbud> hrmm you would think that having a applet that automatically looks for updates would be better for the target audience of ubuntu..
[10:18] <LinuxJones> absurdhero, canonical
[10:18] <|trey|> absurdhero: some australian  :)
[10:18] <TdC_VgA> whats root terminal actually do then?\
[10:18] <absurdhero> so its privately funded?
[10:18] <opi> AberMatt: mob ;)
[10:18] <|trey|> TdC_VgA: 'sudo -s', roots environment
[10:18] <topyli> |trey|: south african actually
[10:18] <absurdhero> was wondering, because ubuntu sure is spending a lot of money and I don't see a donation box :)
[10:18] <LinuxJones> absurdhero, ya for the most part 
[10:18] <jensens> mendel: with debian it helped me to do remove the broken deb from /var/cache/apt/archives/
[10:18] <|trey|> topyli: I was close  :)
[10:19] <topyli> ummm... ok :)
[10:19] <opi> it's time to catch some Zzz's
[10:19] <LinuxJones> absurdhero, I would like to send the guys a few dollars too
[10:19] <hazmat> jamesdorn, are you in the states? if so i'll send you one
[10:19] <TdC_VgA> interesting
[10:20] <jamesdorn> hazmat: Yeah, but let me try things first... I might just do that.
[10:20] <|trey|> jamesdorn: haha... you got the right version for Panther right?  ;)
[10:20] <TdC_VgA> so once i've run the updates through synaptic i should a smooth mouse? heh
[10:20] <timetraveller> i think mark shuttleworth is funding the ubunto version of linux
[10:20] <jamesdorn> |trey|: well, just got it from macupdate... didnt look
[10:20] <|trey|> timetraveller: we already covered that  ;)
[10:20] <jamesdorn> ill get it from their website
[10:20] <timetraveller> sorry
[10:20] <timetraveller> :)
[10:21] <t35t0r> i don't know about the verity of this http://spl.haxial.net/apple-powermac-G5/
[10:21] <wsx> Does anybody know what to do to get a 5.1 speakerset to work? I have 3 connectors for my onboard sound: lineout/speaker, linein and mic. In WinXP I can switch the linein and mic connectors to be outgoing for rear speakers & subwoofer. How can I do that in UBUTU?
[10:21] <timetraveller> what is the plan with the development?
[10:21] <t35t0r> but it looks legit
[10:21] <mendel> the sources.list is as follows. deb http://mirror.isp.net.au/ftp/pub/ubuntu warty main restricted
[10:21] <|trey|> timetraveller: thats kinda a broud question...
[10:21] <TdC_VgA> ubuntu is damn nice... too bad you cant auto install the Broadcom drives.. stupid broadcom
[10:21] <timetraveller> i mean for which home / corporate users is it intended
[10:22] <hazmat> timetraveller, there is some docs on the website, different teams are being together at the moment to focus on the different areas
[10:22] <timetraveller> what is its advantages over other versions on the market today?
[10:22] <hazmat> timetraveller, desktop usage, institutional usage, fairly close python integration.
[10:22] <linux_mafia> jamesdorn, what are you trying to install?
[10:23] <hazmat> timetraveller, have you tried it?
[10:23] <|trey|> mendel: remove the word "restricted" from the line... they don't appear to distribute it...
[10:23] <jamesdorn> linux_mafia: The PPC version of Ubuntu
[10:23] <timetraveller> i could never understand the philosophy about open source and its advantages. sorry about my ignorance - could someone please enlighten me
[10:23] <jamesdorn> linux_mafia: having trouble burning the iso
[10:23] <topyli> timetraveller: i guess you need to visit the ubuntu website. it has all the info you are asking
[10:23] <linux_mafia> jamesdorn, yeah, but what were you using fink for?
[10:23] <jamesdorn> to get cdrecord
[10:24] <linux_mafia> jamesdorn, you could try darwinports instead
[10:24] <|trey|> linux_mafia: the packages are the same   :/
[10:24] <LinuxJones> timetraveller, it's about freedom of choice
[10:24] <|trey|> linux_mafia: look up "metapkg"
[10:24] <timetraveller> i mean why give away software for free
[10:25] <lml> Is Mplayer avaia
[10:25] <timetraveller> it goes against all business principles
[10:25] <lml> Is Mplayer available for Ubuntu in some other format than doing a compile from source?
[10:25] <mendel> trey: I have remove "restricted" still no luck. Seem to be main that has the problem.
[10:25] <LinuxJones> timetraveller, because people want to, it is in the spirit of giving and who says you cannot make money by giving away software ?
[10:25] <linux_mafia> |trey|, so its just the method? an apt vs bsd style ports? 
[10:25] <plovs> lml, see http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions under dvd-stuff
[10:26] <timetraveller> :)
[10:26] <|trey|> timetraveller: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-free.html
[10:26] <timetraveller> it is sales that fund investment
[10:26] <lml> plovs: Thanx.
[10:26] <timetraveller> :)
[10:26] <|trey|> linux_mafia: umm... kinda... darwinports, fink, and gentoo all work together, you pick the method for getting the software...
[10:27] <LinuxJones> timetraveller, you can charge for professional support
[10:27] <jamesdorn> linux_mafia: thanks
[10:27] <linux_mafia> |trey|, its just i have a friend who is an osx nut, he was ranting but i wasn't really listening, about why he thought darwinports was better than fink
[10:27] <timetraveller> i can understand why microsoft should share its code, but never give it away for free: that's my view at this moment
[10:28] <hazmat> timetraveller, the vast majority of the big name computer companies make way, way more on support and services then product costs
[10:28] <hazmat> with the exception of msoft
[10:28] <hazmat> which is a monopoly..
[10:28] <hazmat> ie.. oracle, ibm, etc.
[10:29] <hazmat> all make more on services and support then on pure licensing/product fees 
[10:29] <linux_mafia> jamesdorn, why?
[10:29] <jamesdorn> linux_mafia: Darwin Ports requires dev tools
[10:29] <linux_mafia> oh
[10:29] <jamesdorn> linux_mafia: I do not wish to install it... i'll just wait for the cd's in the mail
[10:29] <|trey|> timetraveller: basically, its to protect the users - if microsoft went out of business tomorrow, all their software would disappear... its also to allow other devels to customize things themselves, maybe a software doesn't do what you need exactly right, why not customize it?
[10:29] <TdC_VgA> anyway to turn on window locking in gnome? similar to KDEs?
[10:30] <hazmat> TdC_VgA, define locking?
[10:30] <linux_mafia> jamesdorn, sorry, im not a mac guy, just a friend who is was telling me about them
[10:30] <plovs> TdC_VgA, always on top?
[10:30] <jamesdorn> linux_mafia: I am sure it was good advice... but dev tools take several min. to install... I am tired
[10:30] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, computer -> lock screen
[10:30] <TdC_VgA> umm, where i can dock them next to each other, using their bounds
[10:30] <|trey|> timetraveller: these are freedoms that RMS believes should go without being said... he believes software should be shared, and everyone should have full rights to do whatever they want with the software...
[10:30] <jamesdorn> =) thanks
[10:31] <timetraveller> RMS?
[10:31] <linux_mafia> richard stallman
[10:31] <topyli> timetraveller: free software means free market. proprietary means trying to become a monopoly.
[10:31] <|trey|> timetraveller: they don't say you have to give the software away... it specifically notes you should be able to charge... but he says you should still have full rights to do whatever you want with it...
[10:31] <TdC_VgA> ummm... i mean snap them next to each other..
[10:32] <hazmat> timetraveller, its a fundamentally better software development model
[10:32] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, hah, yeah i realised afterwards
[10:32] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, not sure sorry
[10:32] <TdC_VgA> hmmm... in KDE i can roll up a window.. then roll up another one.. then snap the 2nd rolled up one beneth the 1st one. heh
[10:32] <|trey|> hazmat: that has been debated since software has been around  :/
[10:32] <timetraveller> :)
[10:32] <TdC_VgA> just makes it really easy on my anal retentive nerves to dock windows in a nice way heheheh
[10:32] <hazmat> that harnesses the power of the internet and modern communication infrastructure
[10:32] <|trey|> whether or not its better, the freedoms should still be there...
[10:33] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, im a bit like that too, ;)
[10:33] <hazmat> |trey|, true
[10:33] <timetraveller> perhaps i should ask: who would fund ubuntu if individuals like mr. shuttleworth didn't fund it.
[10:33] <cowbud> wow anyone have the issue of updating and then not being able to log in to gnome? Ohh look after 5 minutes the Ubuntu screen came up..
[10:33] <hazmat> timetraveller, right now no one.
[10:33] <TdC_VgA> love to have my gaim windows snapped to their parent heh
[10:33] <hazmat> timetraveller, i'd go back to messing with gentoo and conary if ubuntu wasn't around.
[10:34] <linux_mafia> hazmat, conary?
[10:34] <|trey|> timetraveller: Debian is not funded in any way... there are very few sponsored devels even... everyone helps each other though...
[10:34] <hazmat> timetraveller, but it ubuntu is really, really new
[10:34] <hazmat> like only a few months old
[10:34] <timetraveller> really
[10:34] <timetraveller> is it one of shuttleworths upstart projects?
[10:35] <TdC_VgA> linux_mafia: i've updated everything, but my mouse is still pretty jumpy.. any suggestions?
[10:35] <|trey|> timetraveller: Debian is renowned as being one of the most stable distro's around... so many intelligent minds all working for nothing... amazing...
[10:35] <hazmat> linux_mafia, new distro and package management take, based on applying scm concepts to package management, sort of like arch for your package management, making it easy to create custom distros and track local changes across an organization.. being done by several of the original developers @ redhat
[10:35] <timetraveller> i like the company name: Canonical it sounds awesome
[10:35] <timetraveller> but what does it mean?
[10:35] <linux_mafia> hazmat, yeah just googled, being lazy, heh
[10:35] <hazmat> all written in python of course.. is canonical..
[10:35] <|trey|> timetraveller: Shuttleworth finances services coupled with the Ubuntu software... so you can use the product in a business safely...
[10:36] <hazmat> er.. i mean conary.
[10:36] <|trey|> timetraveller: dictionary.com
[10:36] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, computer -> desktop prefs -> mouse
[10:36] <topyli> timetraveller: ubuntu basically takes debian (which is free) and supports it. grossly oversimplified, but something like that.
[10:37] <|trey|>  Of or belonging to a cathedral chapter. <-- my favorate deffinition, in the "Cathedral and Bazaa" sense  :)
[10:37] <timetraveller> so many businesses can use it?
[10:37] <TdC_VgA> linux_mafia: yeah doesnt seem to change too much.. guess i'll just have to beat it some more heheh
[10:37] <linux_mafia> hmmm
[10:37] <|trey|> timetraveller: yes... Canonical itself is using Debian's software under the same means...
[10:38] <|trey|> timetraveller: even Red Hat distributes SRPMS of there enterprise software...
[10:38] <|trey|> timetraveller: they are forced to via the license...
[10:38] <tehmiller> EVEN redhat?
[10:38] <topyli> ooh
[10:39] <tehmiller> you make it sound like they're evil?
[10:39] <|trey|> tehmiller: they are successful... figured it would make it more clear  :/
[10:39] <tehmiller> making sure
[10:39] <Timamuk> I have a problem with Ubuntu, possiblly some one here can assist me.
[10:39] <topyli> possibly :)
[10:39] <|trey|> tehmiller: umm, they are in my eyes... although they do do great things in the community...
[10:39] <LinuxJones> Timamuk, shoot
[10:40] <tehmiller> why are they evil? because they can sucessfully make a distro aimed at the corporate market? because they provide excellent support for their software?
[10:40] <|trey|> tehmiller: for instance, they just purchased some things from AOL... when they are released, I would bet money they will push it over OpenLDAP, and yet another OSS project will be pushed to the backburners  :/
[10:40] <Timamuk> I have seen this before with  the eepro100 drivers and this machine.  I need it to load the e100 driver instead.  I cannot find the option in module.conf, where can I set this?
[10:40] <steveod> my school recently made a deal w/redhat and students get free licenses of redhat as or ws
[10:41] <morteoh> Kiandra17hi == spambot
[10:41] <steveod> it isn't bad just the gui stuff will trash your config files if you are not careful
[10:41] <tehmiller> its their company, their money, their software
[10:41] <SoNiC> hey
[10:41] <topyli> Timamuk: can you load the module with modprobe?
[10:41] <|trey|> tehmiller: but the way they go about directing the OSS community is wrong imo...
[10:41] <LinuxJones> Timamuk, you can add the module name to /etc/modules
[10:42] <SoNiC> how do I get the nvidia kernel module working with an AMD64 build of ubuntu?
[10:42] <|trey|> tehmiller: they are one company that doesn't appear to care much about technical merit, they just care what is best for them... 
[10:42] <tehmiller> lol
[10:42] <SoNiC> how do I get the nvidia kernel module working with an AMD64 build of ubuntu?
[10:42] <tehmiller> give me an example of your ideal OSS company then?
[10:42] <dsfsd> what is amazing is the amount of virusses that have been attacking windows
[10:43] <|trey|> but corporate sponsors get behind what Red Hat says, so projects that aren't technically better are pushed strongly, backed with money, and technically better projects are ignored...
[10:43] <toyowheelin> I agree |trey|
[10:43] <Timamuk> well, it loads the eepro100, I have not seen a place to overide which one it loads.
[10:43] <SoNiC> is anybody using ubuntu on an AMD64 machine?
[10:43] <jamesdorn> brb
[10:43] <toyowheelin> SoNiC, I am
[10:44] <SoNiC> do u have nvidia drivers working?
[10:44] <tehmiller> so wait, youre getting pissed off at them because they are choosing to put their funding on something besides what you think is what they should do?
[10:44] <|trey|> tehmiller: Canonical, the way they are stating they will function right now, are pretty close...
[10:44] <toyowheelin> SoNiC, I have ATI
[10:44] <steveod> SoNiC, i tried it, went back to the 386 version because of nvidia stuff
[10:44] <mendel> I am also get the apt-get update error (Packages.gz gzip error) when using the main repo of deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main
[10:44] <SoNiC> hmm... ok
[10:44] <SoNiC> ty
[10:44] <|trey|> tehmiller: OSS companies should ONLY provide services...
[10:44] <tehmiller> ah, another idealist
[10:44] <SoNiC> do you notice a big performance difference between the two?
[10:45] <SoNiC> i386 and AMD64?
[10:45] <center> Seems this distro is rather active.  I'm impressed in the design, might just have to give up Gentoo for a while.  Just wanted to check and see if anyone can answer a couple of Q's for me.
[10:45] <|trey|> tehmiller: idealism is what Free Software is built on.
[10:45] <TdC_VgA> if i add a repo to synaptics should i be able to see the files automatically?
[10:45] <TdC_VgA> assuming i've pressed reload
[10:45] <steveod> SoNiC, i really use my system for desktop and games, so not really
[10:45] <toyowheelin> the 64bit version seems a bit snappyer
[10:45] <LinuxJones> center, go ahead
[10:45] <topyli> Timamuk: well, rmmod the one you don't want and modprobe the one you do want. see if it works
[10:45] <center> Thanks, LinuxJones.
[10:45] <LinuxJones> :D
[10:45] <wiler> I'm having some issues with mouse configuration. I'm using a laptop, with a touchpad, left and right buttons and an up/down rocker in the centre. The touchpad works fine, but 'down' acts as a third mouse button and 'up' does nothing. Any ideas? I've been playing about with the ZAxisMapping option but I don't seem to be getting anywhere.
[10:45] <t35t0r> i registered #ubuntu-amd64
[10:45] <dsfsd> Is there any chance I can talk to mark shuttleworth himself - what is his nick - does anyone know?
[10:46] <toyowheelin> t35t0r, really?
[10:46] <toyowheelin> cool
[10:46] <t35t0r> heh
[10:46] <t35t0r> i don't run ubuntu but ppl can use it now i guess ..
[10:46] <wiler> dsfsd: I believe his nick is sabdfl.
[10:46] <tehmiller> |trey|, touche, and yet i dont see how you can say a company is evil when they arent doing anything with outside resources, just their own
[10:46] <SoNiC> well is there anyway to get a kernel-source package for the AMD64 ver.?
[10:46] <SoNiC> so I can build the driver with the nvidia binary?
[10:46] <t35t0r> SoNiC: kernel source is kernel source
[10:46] <dsfsd> does he ever visit this channel?
[10:47] <center> 1st, is there a way to load the ppd files for gimp-print, foomatic, etc?  I have an epson CX-5200 and have no luck getting it to work with the drivers listed.  Under Gentoo I had to explicity flag ppds to get it to work.
[10:47] <t35t0r> sonic: it's not specific for any CPU
[10:47] <SoNiC> ic
[10:47] <t35t0r> sonic: kernel.org
[10:47] <wiler> dsfsd: Actually, let me check that.
[10:47] <t35t0r> also join #ubuntu-amd64 if you want
[10:47] <SoNiC> so I type apt-get install kernel-source ?
[10:47] <SoNiC> or what?
[10:47] <LinuxJones> center, you mean in cups ?
[10:47] <dsfsd> !seen sabdfl
[10:47] <center> yes, LJ
[10:47] <steveod> center, can't you just go to linuxprinting.org and download the necessry ppd
[10:47] <t35t0r> sonic: or you can go to kernel.org and download it yourself
[10:47] <neighborlee> anyone know whats up with getting those VFS: ext3 partition not found'' errror even though I use reiserfs ??
[10:47] <linux_mafia> dsfsd, its "the_big_shuttle"
[10:48] <LinuxJones> center, sure you can via web interface
[10:48] <|trey|> tehmiller: they are though... IBM, HP, Dell, all are going by what Red Hat is doing to guide there own involvment...
[10:48] <t35t0r> sonic: and then tar zxvf file in /usr/src
[10:49] <|trey|> tehmiller: most corporate companies base what they are doing by what redhat is doing...
[10:49] <toyowheelin> |trey|, thats true but its not just Red Hat its also Suse that has that power too
[10:49] <tehmiller> |trey|, they are just going by what they see as the most successful company, or most potially successful company
[10:49] <tehmiller> it says something about the idealism of services only
[10:49] <|trey|> toyowheelin: I will argue that by stating "Novell Linux Desktop"... 
[10:49] <center> Ok, will check it out again.  2nd, wanted to see how compatible the packages of ubuntu were to Debian's packages.  ie, could I add, let's say Sarge to my apt repositories to add mplayer or some other software pieces?
[10:50] <toyowheelin> ahh
[10:50] <|trey|> tehmiller: but they are not looking into things from a technical possition, just thinking about money  :/
[10:50] <steveod> center, you can just select the universe repos via synaptic
[10:50] <LinuxJones> center, it's not recommended but we have the universe repository which has lots of good stuff in it
[10:50] <steveod> for mplayer there is a specific repo
[10:50] <t35t0r> all this apt-getting and emerging is leaving people dumb
[10:51] <tehmiller> yes, heaven forbid they think of keeping their company afloat in the distater that is tried to pass off as an economy
[10:51] <|trey|> t35t0r: because compiling enlightens people so much more?
[10:51] <t35t0r> people don't know commands or don't know what to look for
[10:51] <kaplanfx> t35t0r: then would you say apt-ger remove makes people smarter?
[10:51] <kaplanfx> apt-get rather
[10:51] <kaplanfx> obviously its not working on me :)
[10:51] <kaplanfx> or how about apt-get -P
[10:51] <azeem> t35t0r: people should get work done, not spend time figuring out their system
[10:51] <festis_> center, mplayer can be found in this repo: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[10:51] <|trey|> kaplanfx: install debfoster
[10:51] <t35t0r> i'm not even talking about binaries vs source ..i'm just saying people wouldn't know what to without any sort of package manager
[10:51] <TdC_VgA> whats with the firefox icon? why isnt it the default?
[10:52] <kaplanfx> |trey|: whats that?
[10:52] <t35t0r> and nix users are becoming dumber because of it
[10:52] <|trey|> festis_: umm, you should be stating the testing repo... warty is closer to sarge...
[10:52] <center> t35t0r, excuse me.  why rebuild the car everytime you need to drive?  i know the commands.  been there done that, but sometimes you just want to enjoy the ride
[10:52] <t35t0r> they just say "blah doesn't work or this doesn't emerge
[10:52] <NewComer> anyone tried xfce 4.2 beta1?
[10:52] <|trey|> kaplanfx: install it and man debfoster
[10:52] <t35t0r> did you just listen to what i said
[10:52] <steveod> maybe not dumber but more productive, not wasting thier time installing stuff 
[10:52] <t35t0r> i'm not talking about source vs binary
[10:52] <steveod> now you just have to configure things instead of worrying about just getting it installed
[10:53] <t35t0r> i'm talking about making things easy for people then when stuff breaks or won't work out of the box they don't know what to do or how to go about it manuall
[10:53] <festis_> |trey|, I think I got that repo off of the ubuntu wiki actually
[10:53] <subterrific> t35t0r: why is that bad?
[10:53] <|trey|> festis_: umm... ok... well I'm telling you sarge is closer... same glibc though, so I guess it doesn't matter right now  :/
[10:53] <t35t0r> subterrific: bleh it doesn't matter let the help channels deal with it
[10:54] <center> t35t0r, not everyone enjoys working under the hood.  why do we have mechanics.  i guess everyone should have automotive experience.
[10:54] <morteoh> hi, i have just compiled and installed my own kernel on ubuntu, but when i start up, i don't get "Starting ubuntu..." anymore.. how do i get this? is it a patch to the kernel or something?
[10:54] <|trey|> t35t0r: most of today's new users could give a fuck about how to fix it... they don't want to deal with that...
[10:54] <kaplanfx> |trey|: cool, but does it every accidently delete dependancies?
[10:54] <festis_> |trey|: ok, didn't know that. Seems to work fine here so far
[10:54] <kaplanfx> |trey|: I dunno if I would trust a system like that
[10:54] <t35t0r> well its just my opinion, but i don't want to windowize nix
[10:55] <kaplanfx> t35t0r: windows has nothing like apt-get or emerge
[10:55] <t35t0r> i think apt-get/emerge/rpm all that is great ..but i think people should understand what is going on "under the hood"
[10:55] <|trey|> kaplanfx: no, it gets rid of packages you don't want easily...
[10:55] <toyowheelin> one thing I have noticed over the years is that windows and linx seem to be becoming more and more like eachother
[10:55] <tehmiller> it never will be, so long as we have access to the inner components
[10:55] <toyowheelin> *linux
[10:55] <Kinnison> Eefnink
[10:55] <kaplanfx> t35t0r: usually you get everything in a dir  and a setup.exe
[10:55] <hiro> hey :)
[10:55] <darksatanic> Can anyone tell me where the packages in universe were selected from?
[10:55] <subterrific> t35t0r: consider all those "dumb users" as part of a giant QA team. QA's job is to tell you when something doesn't work, not to fix it.
[10:55] <Mithrandir> darksatanic: debian main as of late June
[10:56] <hiro> just installed ubuntu on my mac, and would like to get USB audio to work...suggestions?
[10:56] <kaplanfx> toyowheelin: you are talking about from a user interface perspective, they are still very different systems
[10:56] <|trey|> darksatanic: currently, they are Debian's 'main' that Ubuntu doesn't support
[10:56] <toyowheelin> as a user
[10:56] <t35t0r> dumb users as "QA" hehe
[10:56] <subterrific> :)
[10:56] <darksatanic> Mithrandir, |trey|: Thanks -- from unstable or testing?
[10:56] <Mithrandir> darksatanic: unstable
[10:56] <|trey|> t35t0r: most here aren't really interested in QA, about 90% of ubuntu users probably just wanted to try the new GNOME
[10:57] <center> and ego users as "marketing"?
[10:57] <festis_> While at the subject of media players, anyone knows why Rhythmbox doesn't show the title of a song when listening to a radio stream?
[10:57] <kaplanfx> |trey|: heh
[10:57] <pyramid> boy ubuntu is really growing fast...there are over 232 people in room...this is climbing up to gentoo stats
[10:57] <|trey|> darksatanic: I would recommend from Sarge... 
[10:57] <kaplanfx> |trey|: actually the reason I'm not switching to ubuntu from deb unstable is that I use kde and XFCE 4
[10:57] <|trey|> pyramid: not so much, that will take a while  :)
[10:57] <toyowheelin> kaplanfx, take installing for an example...remember when all the distros had commandline only install now they are almost as easy and brainless to install as windows
[10:57] <kaplanfx> pyramid: yeah but how many are using ubuntu
[10:57] <LinuxJones> kaplanfx, those are available for download 
[10:57] <darksatanic> It's just that the version of mp3c in universe doesn't have a patch that went in in Debian (and upstream) some time last year.
[10:58] <|trey|> pyramid: Gentoo users get on IRC while waiting for things to compile...
[10:58] <kaplanfx> I just came in too see what the discussion was about
[10:58] <pyramid> kaplanfx, i would suspect nearly all of them are using ubuntu or else they would not be here
[10:58] <hiro> Ubuntu and USB audio, is it possible, and how?
[10:58] <steveod> hiro, yes
[10:58] <kaplanfx> LinuxJones: in the ubuntu repositories?
[10:58] <|trey|> hiro: yes... magic
[10:58] <LinuxJones> kaplanfx, yes in the universe repo
[10:58] <steveod> hiro, actually ubuntu setup my laptop automatically with the usb ignoring the onboard
[10:58] <steveod> very nice
[10:58] <TdC_VgA> gcc isnt installed by default huh?
[10:59] <kaplanfx> it looked like from ubuntus page that kde/xfce were not included as it is a gnome centric system
[10:59] <|trey|> TdC_VgA: apt-get install build-essential
[10:59] <LinuxJones> TdC_VgA, you need build-essentials
[10:59] <hiro> steveod: not on mine
[10:59] <TdC_VgA> theres a source package that wants gcc-3.3 but isnt 3.4 the newest?
[10:59] <t35t0r> pyramid: top freenode channels #gentoo 888, #debian 782, #php 369, #fedora 320, #c 310, #perl 296, #c++ 273, #slackware 257, #gentoo-dev 254, #ubuntu 231, #python2 216 (just fyi)
[10:59] <hiro> steveod: i have to say that i installed on a mac here
[10:59] <kaplanfx> what tis the default kernel for ubuntu?
[10:59] <hazmat> |trey|, heh i resemble that gentoo remark ;-)
[10:59] <pyramid> yes ubuntu is increasing very fast
[10:59] <tseng> kaplanfx: um.. linux
[10:59] <steveod> hiro, oh not sure mine was on a x86 system
[11:00] <|trey|> hazmat: ;)
[11:00] <kaplanfx> tseng: I mean version, 2.4? 2.6? 2.6.8.1?
[11:00] <LinuxJones> 2.6.8.1-2
[11:00] <tseng> 2.6.8.1
[11:00] <hiro> hiro@hiro /proc/asound $ cat /proc/asound/cards
[11:00] <hiro> 0 [Screamer       ] : PMac Screamer - PowerMac Screamer
[11:00] <hiro>                      PowerMac Screamer Rev 0
[11:00] <|trey|> hazmat: not much else is viable while compiling things  :/
[11:00] <kaplanfx> LinuxJones: does no one realize cd burning is broken with that kernel?
[11:00] <hiro> so the sound card is not detected
[11:00] <LinuxJones> kaplanfx, yes :D
[11:00] <kaplanfx> hehe, thats a big DOH!
[11:00] <tseng> its not a vanilla kernel
[11:00] <LinuxJones> ya
[11:00] <hiro> Oct  3 14:52:51 hiro kernel: usbaudio: device 3 interface 1 altsetting 2: format 0x80000010 sratelo 6400 sratehi 48000 attributes 0x01
[11:00] <hiro> Oct  3 14:52:51 hiro kernel: usbaudio: registered dsp 14,19
[11:00] <hiro> Oct  3 14:52:52 hiro kernel: usbaudio: registered mixer 14,16
[11:00] <hiro> Oct  3 14:52:52 hiro kernel: usbaudio: registered mixer 14,32
[11:00] <hiro> Oct  3 14:52:56 hiro usb.agent[21369] :      snd-usb-audio: already loaded
[11:00] <plovs> kaplanfx, not even my burner noticed it :)
[11:01] <|trey|> kaplanfx: the installer installs linux-image-2.6-386 ... so whatever the newest 2.6 kernel is...
[11:01] <kaplanfx> but its not a release version anyhow right?
[11:01] <steveod> hiro, did you try modprobe'ing usb-sound or whatever it is
[11:01] <hiro> the kernel does seem to find it
[11:01] <LinuxJones> kaplanfx, Ubuntu is still pre-release
[11:01] <tseng> no its not.
[11:01] <kaplanfx> plovs: have you tried to burn a cd-r?
[11:01] <plovs> kaplanfx, yes cdr cdrw work ok
[11:01] <kaplanfx> plovs: other formats apperently work
[11:01] <LinuxJones> kaplanfx, there are some things still to be worked out before final
[11:01] <kaplanfx> plovs: and you have an ATA burner?
[11:01] <pyramid> well nothing much to compile today at gentoo
[11:01] <plovs> kaplanfx, yes dvd-combo
[11:01] <|trey|> kaplanfx: stop trying to help people burn things... 2.6.8.1 breaks cdburning...
[11:02] <Telep> does usb audio input work fine on ubuntu too?
[11:02] <hiro> steveod: snd-usb-audio is loaded
[11:02] <kaplanfx> |trey|: this guy says his works I'm just wondering how
[11:02] <|trey|> kaplanfx: you need to be root
[11:02] <pyramid> |trey|, read www.k3b.org...they say not to go past 2.6.7 at this time
[11:02] <|trey|> pyramid: I read lkml  :/
[11:02] <plovs> |trey|, kaplanfx, burning works ok, they must have patched the kernel
[11:03] <steveod> hiro, not sure what is going on, do you get sound through one and not the other?
[11:03] <|trey|> plovs: they better not have  :/
[11:03] <tseng> how about you read the changelog in the kernel sources
[11:03] <tseng> there is alot of FUD flying around from someone who hasnt even checked facts
[11:03] <kaplanfx> |trey|: hmm, yeah I was using setuid
[11:03] <|trey|> tseng: *shrug* like I said, I read the mailing list, the discussion between Linus and Alan  :/
[11:03] <hiro> steveod: yeah, i get sound through the built-in one
[11:03] <kaplanfx> |trey|: now I'm using 2.6.9-rc3 and burning works nice
[11:04] <|trey|> kaplanfx: that apparently doesn't fix it either  :/
[11:04] <TdC_VgA> gotta turn this damn multiple window thing gnome did off.. gimme my single window browsing with Ctrl+Click heh
[11:04] <plovs> tseng, where can i find the changelog?
[11:04] <tseng> plovs: in linux-source-2.6.8.1
[11:04] <plovs> tseng, thanks
[11:05] <kaplanfx> does ubuntu use the debian kernel patches or its own patchset, or is it stock from kernel.org?
[11:05] <|trey|> kaplanfx: afaik, debian kernels renamed...
[11:05] <kaplanfx> |trey|: ok, thanks
[11:06] <TdC_VgA> |trey|: you can turn it on
[11:06] <|trey|> TdC_VgA: what?
[11:06] <TdC_VgA> roll up
[11:06] <|trey|> TdC_VgA: It doesn't work  :/
[11:07] <Telep> steveod: do you know if usb audio _input_ works fine on ubuntu too?
[11:07] <|trey|> Computer >> Desktop Prefences >> Windows 
[11:07] <TdC_VgA> really? it does on mine.. odd
[11:07] <|trey|> Its b0rked, setting never changes  :/
[11:07] <crimsun> Telep: it sure does.
[11:07] <steveod> Telep, I don't have usb input, just output on mine
[11:07] <|trey|> maybe after I log out... but I don't  :/
[11:07] <Linuxbcn> hi
[11:07] <crimsun> Telep: i use snd-usb-audio w/ my M-Audio Transit for Skype and TeamSpeak.
[11:07] <Linuxbcn> is posibel install ubuntu ppc without macos?
[11:08] <steveod> hiro, i can't get to the machine that uses the usb setup right now, so i can't look at the alsa config
[11:08] <toyowheelin> my thumbdrive dont work, what device do I have to mount for it?
[11:08] <Telep> crimsun: ok, thanks a lot :) btw, do you use Audacity?
[11:08] <hazmat> Linuxbcn, on new world machines yes
[11:08] <crimsun> Telep: indeed.
[11:08] <pyramid> hmmm....www.linuxprinting.org is very interesting
[11:09] <hazmat> ie. if they have a openfirmware bios
[11:09] <Telep> crimsun: for some reason the fonts esp. in the menu are really tiny in Audacity. Any idea how to correct this?
[11:09] <pyramid> but anyway the epson mfc cx5400 seems to work satisfactoy with the gimp-print driver
[11:09] <steveod> hiro, i think that you need to change the usb one to 0 and the onboard to 1 in modules.conf
[11:09] <Linuxbcn> hazmat: perfect
[11:09] <Linuxbcn> is an ibook 500Mz
[11:10] <crimsun> Telep: i can't check presently, not in front of my Ubuntu workstation
[11:10] <crimsun> Telep: do any other applications exhibit similar symptoms?
[11:11] <Telep> crimsun: actually yes, Beaver editor. It seems to be related to Gtk+ but trying to change the font size with gtk-theme-switch didn't help
[11:12] <absurdhero> is anyone working on powerbook support within the project?
[11:12] <Linuxbcn> hazmat: you test this ubuntu in ppc?
[11:12] <pyramid> well nothing much to compile today on gentoo...i guess we get a break
[11:12] <absurdhero> im waiting for sleep mode support
[11:13] <Telep> crimsun: btw, does everything on you M-Audio Transit work fine? Optical out/in?
[11:13] <absurdhero> and what will become of linux on macs in the way of wireless networking?
[11:13] <kaplanfx> where can I get this "live-cd" I read about on the homepage?
[11:13] <staticactivity> how can i install my windows true type fonts
[11:14] <absurdhero> i haven't heard of anyone trying to get airport extreme to work. and i don't know how most apple laptop users are going to ever switch to linux without it
[11:14] <ike> can anyone help? i installed ubuntu on my ibm thinkpad. everything works fine exept that i can't connect to my network
[11:14] <SoNiC> how do I burn cds in ubuntu?
[11:14] <pyramid> staticactivity, well i use freetype so as not to interfere with MS patents
[11:14] <LinuxJones> kaplanfx, will not be available till later this year
[11:14] <SoNiC> there is no k3b
[11:14] <ike> wether the dhcp nor static is working
[11:14] <kaplanfx> LinuxJones: ah, thanks
[11:14] <absurdhero> ike: go to a terminal and type in /sbin/ifconfig. is there an eth0 entry?
[11:14] <staticactivity> pyramid: i think it is ok to copy fonts from a licensed copy on my system
[11:14] <ike> yes there is one
[11:14] <SoNiC> there is no k3b
[11:14] <kaplanfx> SoNiC: cdrecord, but burning is broken with the kernel version that ubuntu came with
[11:14] <SoNiC> how do I burn cds in ubuntu?
[11:15] <absurdhero> does it have an ip address?
[11:15] <SoNiC> crap
[11:15] <absurdhero> do you use dhcp on your network?
[11:15] <LinuxJones> kaplanfx, just go ahead and install it what are you waiting for :)
[11:15] <pyramid> staticactivity, well i don't know...i am not MS...but i think MS has the no reuse eula's and stuff
[11:15] <ike> i use static ip
[11:15] <kaplanfx> LinuxJones: nah I got a nice debian unstable setup here
[11:15] <ike> cant remember if there was an ip
[11:15] <absurdhero> ok, so you have set an ip?
[11:15] <ike> yes
[11:15] <kaplanfx> LinuxJones: I just want to try it out to see if I can recommend it to friends who want to switch to linux
[11:16] <absurdhero> can you connect to any other computers on your local network?
[11:16] <staticactivity> pyramid, oh ok
[11:16] <pyramid> staticactivity, i have heard that all those people who only get an oem copy of windows instead of a full retail copy are not allowed to transfer MS at all.
[11:16] <TdC_VgA> umm is there a kernel-headers-2.6.8.1-2-386?
[11:16] <TdC_VgA> i cant seem to build the ndiswrapper kernel package without it =(
[11:16] <LinuxJones> kaplanfx, ahh
[11:16] <SoNiC> why is cd burning not a part of ubuntu?
[11:16] <pyramid> staticactivity, so when their machine breaks they are out of luck
[11:16] <kaplanfx> LinuxJones: it should be easier for them, but I can still help being familiar with the underlying system and all.  I am hesitant to tell people who ask me about linux to install debian
[11:17] <staticactivity> pyramid, i've got a copy from my school
[11:17] <kaplanfx> SoNiC: it is, kernel 2.6.8.1 broke cd-burning for anyone using it, not just ubuntu
[11:17] <LinuxJones> kaplanfx, Ubuntu uses debian installer from sarge
[11:17] <pyramid> staticactivity, ok did your school get oem copies or lVM copies or full retail copies
[11:17] <kaplanfx> LinuxJones: ah, I've used the new installer, quite nice
[11:17] <pyramid> staticactivity, this is very important as to rights of use
[11:17] <staticactivity> pyramid, i don't know :(
[11:18] <pyramid> staticactivity, well you better ask
[11:18] <staticactivity> pyramid, ok, thanks
[11:18] <Deep7> is there a graphical app to turn mp3's into audio cd's?
[11:18] <LinuxJones> kaplanfx, yes it is awesome, once a gui is written for it it will be easier for folks moving from Windows
[11:18] <will> hi anyone know how to turn of the RAID functionality - it takes ages in the bootstrap!!
[11:19] <Phr0stByte> I tried to upgrade a bunch of packages - no system things wont take the root passwoed anymore - how can I fix that?
[11:19] <pyramid> staticactivity, and the judges here in the US have upheld all Eula restrictions...although the EFF is appealing
[11:19] <kaplanfx> so ubuntu uses debian kernel, debian installer, and debian packages (albiet in a custom repository), so the basic advantage is that it standardizes packages?
[11:19] <ike> problem with network. ifconfig looks fine, but can't ping my server
[11:19] <Suit> kaplanfx: yes the broken CD burning
[11:19] <Suit> it is funny
[11:19] <Kinnison> kaplanfx: and the six-month release cycle
[11:19] <Kinnison> kaplanfx: and the three-past-releases security support
[11:19] <Suit> my DVD writer is reported as being incapable of burning CD's
[11:19] <kaplanfx> LinuxJones: I think its better without a gui, people are just scared to realize its good
[11:19] <Suit> But DVD's are no problem :)
[11:19] <steveod> ike, is it wireless
[11:19] <pyramid> staticactivity, but even if the EFF is successful..that will take a long time so for now Eula's are binding...and you must read them carefully
[11:20] <SoNiC> how do I burn an iso with cdrecord?
[11:20] <staticactivity> pyramid, i don't understand why MS is so restrictive about the crap they make
[11:20] <ike> wireless works fine, problem wtih ethernet
[11:20] <kaplanfx> Kinnison: security support = good, as does the release cycle,
[11:20] <ike> eth0
[11:20] <LinuxJones> kaplanfx, yes but people turn white if they have to go to a dos prompt in windows
[11:20] <kaplanfx> Suit: yeah weird huh?
[11:20] <pyramid> staticactivity, well becasue MS is a corporation with greedy stockholders who want lots and lots of money every year
[11:20] <kaplanfx> Suit: cd-rw might work as well
[11:20] <steveod> cdrecord -v -data dev=x,x,x speed=x *.iso 
[11:20] <Suit> kaplanfx: yeah that one too
[11:20] <staticactivity> pyramid, yeah thats so true
[11:20] <kaplanfx> Suit: but cd-r is unable to be detected by the 2.6.8.1 kernel for some reason
[11:21] <Suit> well, on my other box with k3b I can see a report about the writer
[11:21] <t35t0r> DDR400 is really 200MHz right?
[11:21] <Suit> all YES except for CD
[11:21] <center> LinuxJones: in regards to the ppd, gimp-print for the epson cx5200 -- resolved.  had to take out all of cups, foomatic, etc.  then re-installed gimp-print allowing it to resolve its deps.  prints great.
[11:21] <festis_> kaplanfx: is this cdburning issue only ubuntu related?
[11:21] <SoNiC> how do I edit my grub menu?
[11:21] <LinuxJones> center, awesome
[11:22] <Phr0stByte> I tried to upgrade a bunch of packages - system wont take the root passwoed anymore - how can I fix that?
[11:22] <t35t0r> sonic: vi /boot/grub/grub.conf
[11:22] <will> does anyone know how to turn off RAID in the kernel
[11:22] <center> the system was not recognizing gimp-print initially
[11:22] <t35t0r> will: look for it
[11:22] <LinuxJones> center, ahh
[11:23] <SoNiC> that file is empty testor
[11:23] <steveod> will: do you mean the raid manager that gets started when you boot or just radi support?
[11:23] <pyramid> center, my epson cx5400 works great with gimp-print driver and it even has cups support
[11:23] <ike> has anyone had problems with his ethernet card and solved it? can bring the interface up, but cant ping my server. ..
[11:23] <pyramid> center, it prints in color and scans in color
[11:24] <steveod> ike: only on my wireless, the ethernet was not an issue at all
[11:24] <center> see, t35t0r, even with extra interfaces -- we can still have deductive reasoning
[11:24] <atomon> is there any way to make certain windows transparent in ubuntu/xfree86?
[11:24] <LinuxJones> ike, /etc/init.d/networking restart
[11:24] <festis_> SoNiC: vi /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:24] <will> when you boot - it takes ages and i dont need raid!
[11:24] <t35t0r> atomon: xorg 6.8 supports true transparency
[11:25] <center> pyramid -- haven't worked on the scanning part yet.  should be able to get it up soon.  my 5200 has cups support, just cups did not see the driver for some odd reason.
[11:25] <atomon> ubuntu comes with xfree, not xorg, am right/
[11:25] <darksatanic> atomon: For now, yes.
[11:25] <t35t0r> too bad
[11:25] <LinuxJones> atomon, correct
[11:25] <atomon> darksatanic, is it easy to switch to xorg from xfree?
[11:25] <pyramid> center, no don't use the cups driver...at least it does not work for me...but use gimp-print driver with cups support
[11:25] <steveod> will, you can remove mdadm and mdadm-raid from the startup, at least i did
[11:25] <darksatanic> atomon: No idea. Probably not.
[11:25] <will> stevod: in the bootup, it gives me a 1-2 min delay!
[11:25] <atomon> anyone else know?
[11:25] <darksatanic> I've only had Ubuntu on here for 24 hours,
[11:26] <t35t0r> does apt-get uninstall ?
[11:26] <darksatanic> and I've been asleep for 8 of those. :)
[11:26] <will> steeveod: where do i find that?
[11:26] <atomon> lol@darksatanic
[11:26] <pyramid> center, and for the scanner use usb 0x4b8 0x0808...that worked for me with libusb
[11:26] <steveod> will, in the kernel detection? that might be an issue with acpi or something
[11:26] <darksatanic> I suspect that it's pretty wasy if you just build X.org from source, and install over the top of your XFree86 packages,
[11:26] <t35t0r> if apt-get uninstalls you might be able to get rid of xfree
[11:26] <darksatanic> but that *will* break the packaging system...
[11:26] <atomon> it's not worth it
[11:26] <atomon> for transparency
[11:26] <Micksa> t35t0r: sure does, "apt-get remove" I think. be careful though, it removes dependant packages, and you could end up removing half your installation :)
[11:26] <steveod> will: you can go into r5.d and see what is starting up
[11:26] <darksatanic> atomon: Indeed.
[11:26] <pyramid> center, but it took a while to set up because sane-find-scanner did not work
[11:27] <festis_> atomon: There are some docs somewhere on the net about switching to xorg. Guess google is your friend here...
[11:27] <steveod> will: /etc/rc5.d
[11:27] <t35t0r> micksa: what about apt-get remove without dependencies ?
[11:27] <center> pyramid -- that is what i am using for the print aspect.  gimp-print's driver, not the cups driver
[11:27] <Exasparilla> I'm not running ubuntu, but considering it - do they tweak the kernel sources or use Debian's?
[11:27] <will> steeveod: will have a look....
[11:27] <pyramid> center yes me too...it works quite well in gimp and gedit and koffice
[11:27] <lionfish> Micksa: I don't think apt-get remove will remove dependencies
[11:27] <Micksa> t35t0r: dpkg -r for that I guess.
[11:28] <Micksa> lionfish: try it 8)
[11:28] <plovs> atomon, the transparency is not that great anyway, it is not stable *yet*
[11:28] <lionfish> Micksa: I have. Often.
[11:28] <center> cool, pyramid.  getting ready to tackle the scanning now
[11:28] <lionfish> Micksa: Although, admittedly, never on ubuntu
[11:28] <Micksa> lionfish: try "apt-get remove xfree86-common".
[11:28] <pyramid> center, yes it takes a few hours to read all that libusb stuff...but those addresses worked for me
[11:28] <toyowheelin> humm...apperently I cant mount my usbdrive because its fat fs and the kernel dont recognise it
[11:28] <Micksa> just for the love of god don't go "y" afterwards :)
[11:29] <atomon> plovs, oic
[11:29] <Micksa> er or even enter
[11:29] <atomon> wow, i like how xchat highlights people that are talking to you
[11:29] <will> steveod: cant find that file, its not in /etc
[11:29] <pyramid> toyowheelin, i can mount my usbdrive with fat...why can't you
[11:29] <lionfish> Micksa: Ah, we've been talking at cross-purposes
[11:29] <lionfish> Micksa: I meant it didn't move things it depended _on_ :)
[11:29] <ElRaton> http://gnu.is.free.fr/monburo/Capture.html :: wow, i love ubuntu ;)
[11:29] <pyramid> toyowheelin, did you enable usbfs support in kernel
[11:30] <toyowheelin> pyramid, I dont know I just installed ubuntu really didnt give me any kernel options
[11:30] <plovs> toyowheelin, fat works you might not have partitions on your device
[11:30] <steveod> will: it is a directory /etc/rc5.d/ in it are the files that startup when you go into runlevel 5
[11:30] <Exasparilla> lionfish: can you just use aptitiude?  it'll get rid of unused dependencies
[11:30] <will> aha will check
[11:30] <TdC_VgA> has anyone installed the NDIS wrapper?
[11:30] <pyramid> toyowheelin, oh ok...when you get time be sure to recompile the kernel and check your options very carefully ...many times they are critical
[11:31] <toyowheelin> plovs oh I do because I have all my school work on it
[11:31] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, for what card?
[11:31] <lionfish> Exasparilla: I do. I don't really have a problem as such, I was just discussing the finer points of APT :)
[11:31] <TdC_VgA> linux_mafia: averatec internal wifi
[11:31] <toyowheelin> plovs and it works fine in mandrake at school
[11:31] <TdC_VgA> broadcom something or other..
[11:31] <Micksa> lionfish: ...oh :)
[11:32] <Micksa> hm.
[11:32] <Micksa> lionfish: actually that'd be kinda neat. if it was possible.
[11:32] <weichsel> hi. has someone tried ubuntu amd64 on a shuttle sn85g with an sata raid0 disk array?
[11:32] <lionfish> Micksa: It _is_, with aptitude
[11:32] <will> steveod: do i delete it or what?
[11:32] <atomon> okay, stupid question time. how do i display a list of channels on this server?
[11:32] <Micksa> oh :)
[11:32] <Micksa> neat
[11:32] <linux_mafia> TdC_VgA, hmmm dunno, i put a little summin summin on the ubuntu wiki about ndis, may help or not, have a look
[11:32] <plovs> toyowheelin, yes it just does not automount
[11:33] <steveod> will: no don't delete it do "sudo update-rc.d -f mdadm remove"
[11:33] <Micksa> if I'm guessing right, to do it properly aptitude would need to remember what was previously installed along with it
[11:33] <Exasparilla> That's bugged me too.  also, when you apt-get something that has dependencies, it doesn't mark the dependencies as being automatically installed, which is also a bummer.
[11:33] <Micksa> not just go backwards up (down?) the tree
[11:33] <toyowheelin> plovs amd64linux:/home/greg# mount -t fat /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbdrive/
[11:33] <toyowheelin> mount: fs type fat not supported by kernel
[11:33] <TdC_VgA> thanks.. i keep trying to build the kernel module and it just keeps telling me i need the 2.6.8 yada yad aheaders/source and i cant find it on the repos
[11:33] <atomon> anybody?
[11:33] <lionfish> Micksa: It remembers which packages have been explicitly installed
[11:33] <linux_mafia> Exasparilla, deb-orphan
[11:33] <steveod> will: you can just substitute the whatever for the mdadm, but somethings are necessary
[11:33] <Micksa> a dependency on another package doesn't imply that package was installed as a result of the apt-get install in question
[11:33] <Micksa> that'll work :)
[11:34] <jamesdorn> hazmat: you there?
[11:34] <will> of course
[11:34] <Exasparilla> I know of deb-orphan.  But aptitude does it nicely
[11:34] <will> steveod: u know what the delay is instantly after the bootloader?
[11:34] <steveod> will: so if you don't know what it is i usually read the file in /etc/init.d/ that it is linked to
[11:34] <linux_mafia> Exasparilla, ok, sweet, you taught me summin, i thought only deb-orphan kept track of that
[11:34] <steveod> will: then i am not sure that will help, it might be something to do with acpi or autodetect
[11:35] <Exasparilla> aptitude remembers if something was explicitly installed or installed as a dependency.  If it wasn't explicitly installed and nothing needs it, POOF!  No more package.
[11:35] <plovs> toyowheelin, vfat!
[11:35] <toyowheelin> :)
[11:35] <steveod> will: maybe you can look at sending some arguments to the kernel via grub
[11:35] <toyowheelin> oops
[11:35] <will> stevod: this is another delay
[11:35] <will> just after grub
[11:35] <toyowheelin> thanks plovs
[11:35] <center> be back in a few
[11:36] <pitti> toyowheelin: your usb drive does not automount?
[11:36] <toyowheelin> nope
[11:37] <toyowheelin> pitti, yours dose?
[11:37] <pitti> toyowheelin: I'm the guy responsible for this stuff
[11:37] <toyowheelin> oh lol
[11:37] <pitti> toyowheelin: you tried to manually mount the usb device?
[11:37] <toyowheelin> yeah mine dont auto mount
[11:37] <pitti> toyowheelin: manually mounting as above will not work
[11:37] <toyowheelin> yeah its mounted now
[11:37] <jamesdorn> Anyone know how to find out the dev path for the CD-RW drives in OS X (for the use of cdrecord)
[11:37] <jamesdorn> ?
[11:38] <pitti> toyowheelin: at least, try 'vfat' instead of 'fat'
[11:38] <toyowheelin> mounting with vfat works
[11:38] <jamesdorn> I cannot burn the Mac image of ubuntu with the standard tools
[11:38] <pitti> toyowheelin: but actually 'pmount /dev/sda1' should work in any case (as user)
[11:38] <ike> have problems with intel ethernet card. cannot connect to my network. wireless is working but not my ethernet card
[11:38] <pitti> toyowheelin: you should not do these things as root
[11:38] <toyowheelin> never heard of pmount
[11:38] <subterrific> jamesdorn: Disk Utility will burn the iso
[11:38] <TdC_VgA> ok, now i just cant seem to find the headers for 2.6.8-2-386 any suggestions?
[11:38] <jamesdorn> subterrific: not on my machine
[11:39] <toyowheelin> mounting is done as root I thought
[11:39] <pitti> toyowheelin: this is some magic we put into the distro to avoid some other problems
[11:39] <jamesdorn> subterrific: I think there might be a bug with the current iso's
[11:39] <subterrific> heheh, no
[11:39] <jamesdorn> subterrific: Disk Utility crashes repeatedly
[11:39] <jamesdorn> on three of my macs
[11:39] <subterrific> iso's can't be buggy. Disk Utility can and is
[11:39] <pitti> toyowheelin: can you please unmount and unplug your stick, plug it back in and watch in the device manager what happens?
[11:39] <toyowheelin> well here I will umount it and try pmount as user
[11:39] <toyowheelin> umm ok
[11:40] <pitti> toyowheelin: actually you should not even need to know about pmount; it should be invoked automatically
[11:40] <jamesdorn> subterrific: I cannot seem to burn it. And I burn iso's all the time
[11:40] <jamesdorn> subterrific: if the iso is mounted, Disk Utility doesnt startup correctly
[11:40] <pitti> toyowheelin: so can you pleas open the device manager, and then plug in the device?
[11:40] <jamesdorn> subterrific: If I select the iso from the list in the 'burn image' option... it simply crashes
[11:40] <subterrific> jamesdorn: well you shouldn't mount the iso
[11:40] <toyowheelin> where is the device manager
[11:40] <pitti> toyowheelin: oops, apt-get install hal-device-manager
[11:41] <toyowheelin> ok :)
[11:41] <subterrific> jamesdorn: did you check the md5sum of the iso to make sure you downloaded it correctly?
[11:41] <pitti> toyowheelin: this will be instaleld automatically on new installations
[11:41] <staticactivity> i'm getting this error when tryin to update firefox "data: Downloading fix (Read only)
[11:41] <staticactivity> i did the update as root though
[11:41] <jamesdorn> subterrific: if I run 'md5 <insert image name here>' it doesnt return any responce
[11:42] <jamesdorn> subterrific: just freezes the process
[11:42] <plovs> pitti, why does hal-device-manager dissapear all the time I installed three times already and i never removed it
[11:42] <staticactivity> do i need to change some permissions?
[11:42] <toyowheelin> do I need to start the hal-device-manager as root or as user
[11:42] <pitti> plovs: three times?
[11:42] <pitti> toyowheelin: user
[11:42] <pitti> plovs: it should have only been vanished when upgrading to the hal 0.2.98 package
[11:42] <subterrific> jamesdorn: let it sit there for a second, it will take a little while to md5 the iso
[11:42] <pitti> plovs: the deviec manager now has its own package
[11:43] <pitti> plovs: since it is not really required to run hal, its only a debugging tool
[11:43] <toyowheelin> pitti, it seed the device just fine
[11:43] <toyowheelin> *sees
[11:43] <pitti> toyowheelin: does it have a Volume child node?
[11:43] <toyowheelin> a what?
[11:43] <plovs> pitti, with install, omce when we where debugging and today, but maybe i mix up compuetrs
[11:43] <toyowheelin> lol
[11:44] <pitti> toyowheelin: there should be the actual device, and below it a node called "Volume"
[11:44] <jamesdorn> ok
[11:44] <TdC_VgA> heh there's 2.6.8.1-3, but of course not 2.6.8.1-2 hopefully these will work
[11:44] <pitti> toyowheelin: "Volume" means the partition on the device
[11:44] <toyowheelin> pitti, I dont see a "volume" in the list
[11:44] <pitti> toyowheelin: that's baaaaad
[11:45] <pitti> toyowheelin: which kernel do you use?
[11:45] <pitti> toyowheelin: dpkg -l linux-image*
[11:45] <pitti> toyowheelin: the earlier 2.6.8.1 kernels had some problems with USB
[11:45] <jamesdorn> subterrific: Yes, the md5sum's match
[11:45] <toyowheelin> linux-image-2.6.8.1 2.6.8.1-6           Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8.1 on x86_64.
[11:46] <pitti> toyowheelin: oh, amd64.
[11:46] <toyowheelin> yeah
[11:47] <pitti> toyowheelin: seems as if the partitions are not properly detected
[11:47] <pitti> toyowheelin: but /dev/sda1 exists and you can mount it manually?
[11:47] <Sleeper> what makes ubuntu so good? can someone explain?
[11:47] <toyowheelin> pitti, when I mount the device manually it sees my data just fine
[11:47] <steveod> will; try adding raid=noautodetect to your kernel line in your grub config
[11:47] <toyowheelin> yes
[11:47] <pitti> toyowheelin: okay. can you please mail the output of some commands to me?
[11:47] <toyowheelin> sure
[11:47] <jamesdorn> subterrific: any ideas?
[11:48] <pitti> toyowheelin: while the device is plugged in: 'dmesg > /tmp/dmesg.out'
[11:48] <jgeorgeson> so why have gcc 3.3 AND 3.4 installed?
[11:48] <steveod> nevermind i guess "will" left
[11:48] <pitti> toyowheelin: and 'lshal > /tmp/lshal.out'
[11:48] <pitti> toyowheelin: can you please mail /tmp/dmesg.out and /tmp/lshal.out to martin.pitt@canonical.com?
[11:48] <toyowheelin> e-mail the .out files?
[11:48] <toyowheelin> ok
[11:48] <toyowheelin> sure
[11:48] <subterrific> jamesdorn: nope, i guess you found a bug in Disk Utility. i find it strange that you can mount the image, but not burn it
[11:48] <jamesdorn> i am about to pull a new powerbook out of the box and try with that one... that will be my 4th mac
[11:48] <pitti> toyowheelin: thanks! I will take a look at them tomorrow, I'm pretty tired and will go to bed now
[11:49] <pitti> toyowheelin: does it work with other usb devices?
[11:49] <Sleeper> can someone explain to me the greatness of ubuntu? 
[11:49] <TdC_VgA> easiest way to update from linux-image-2.6.8.1-2-386 to 2.6.8.1-3-686?
[11:49] <pitti> TdC_VgA: just install linux-image-686
[11:49] <pitti> TdC_VgA: this will always depend on the most recent kernel package
[11:49] <toyowheelin> I dont know
[11:50] <toyowheelin> my usb drive is all I have atm
[11:50] <plovs> Sleeper, it is up-to-date Debian with gnome 2.8
[11:50] <pitti> TdC_VgA: so you automatically get the newest kernels on pckage upgrade
[11:50] <TdC_VgA> pitti: just check it to install in Synaptic?
[11:50] <pitti> TdC_VgA: of course you have to reboot after installing a new kernel package
[11:50] <Sleeper> plovs oh sweet.. 
[11:50] <pitti> TdC_VgA: yes, should work
[11:50] <TdC_VgA> do i need to unstall the other one? or anything else.. insteresting.. easiest kernel update ever heh
[11:50] <Hrdwr_BoB> Sleeper: also, low configuration overhead... stuff Just Works[tm] 
[11:51] <pitti> toyowheelin: okay, then we have to get along with this.
[11:51] <Sleeper> whats the best version out?
[11:51] <jgeorgeson> how do I make permanent changes to ssid/wep settings for wireless interfaces?
[11:51] <pitti> toyowheelin: in the meantime, you can mount the stuff with 'pmount /dev/sda1' (as user)
[11:51] <TdC_VgA> here goes nothing
[11:51] <Sleeper> i am currently downloading the warty preview one... is that good?
[11:51] <pitti> Sleeper: you should rather download the latest daily cd
[11:51] <Sleeper> and is it only one iso?
[11:51] <toyowheelin> ok thanks pitti
[11:51] <pitti> Sleeper: we fixed a lot of bugs since the preview
[11:51] <plovs> Sleeper, good enough from there you can just update it
[11:52] <pitti> toyowheelin: np. I will report back tomorrow
[11:52] <pitti> plovs,Sleeper: of course you can upgrade, but then you can as well download the latest iso
[11:52] <toyowheelin> ok
[11:52] <pitti> plovs,Sleeper: this will also correct some installer problems
[11:52] <plovs> Sleeper, pitti is correct
[11:52] <Sleeper> pitti, how would i download the latest daily cd? Is this the one with the single mirror from the UK?
[11:53] <Sleeper> pitti, never mind..
[11:53] <pitti> Sleeper: http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily/current/
[11:53] <Sleeper> pitti, one more quick question.. is it only one iso
[11:53] <Sleeper> pitti, thanks
[11:53] <pitti> Sleeper: you can also use rsync, its faster if you already have an older iso
[11:53] <pitti> Sleeper: yes, only one CD
[11:54] <Sleeper> pitti, oh i don't have it.. i am starting from scratch
[11:54] <pitti> Sleeper: currently you need to download universe packages from the network
[11:54] <pitti> Sleeper: okay. But if you want to upgrade the CD, then rsync is faster (it downloads only the difference)
[11:55] <Sleeper> pitti, thanks... is there instructions on downloading the universe packages?
[11:55] <TdC_VgA> here goes nothing
[11:55] <pitti> toyowheelin: I got no mail from you yet (in case you already sent one and it did not work)
[11:55] <Sleeper> pitti, does ubuntu have a tool that will do it for me?
[11:55] <jgeorgeson> what package is needed to get song names from streams in rhythmbox?
[11:55] <pitti> Sleeper: synaptic (the package manager) supports this quite nicely
[11:55] <toyowheelin> pitti, I just sent it so it may take a moment as I am using hotmail :(
[11:55] <Sleeper> pitti, k thanks
[11:55] <pyramid> well nothing much to do today except backups
[11:56] <pitti> Sleeper: in synaptic: Settings -> Package sources, there you can enable Universe
[11:56] <pitti> Sleeper: but you do not need it for the most common stuff
[11:56] <pitti> Sleeper: all Desktop pacakges already come on the CD
[11:57] <pitti> Good night, guys!
[11:57] <Sleeper> k sweeet
[11:57] <Sleeper> good night? its 3 p
[11:57] <Sleeper> pm
[11:57] <pitti> toyowheelin: got the mail, thanks
[11:57] <toyowheelin> np thanks
[11:58] <overflow> Hi all
[11:58] <overflow> Im having problems with ubuntu and Sound
[11:59] <overflow> SuperLag: install a Debian base system and then all the .deb ubuntu packages