tsengdebbootstrap warty12:00
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overflowany of you are having problems with ubuntu and sound?12:00
SuperLagtseng: yo12:01
pyramidoverflow, i don't have ubuntu but have you configured alsa12:01
LinuxJonesoverflow, nope12:01
Phr0stByteI tried to upgrade a bunch of packages - system wont take the root passwoed anymore - how can I fix that?12:01
jamesdornsubterrific: same exact thing with a brand new powerbook out of the box12:01
overflowpyramid: yes I have it12:01
jamesdornEther DU is messed up, or the iso's have problems12:01
subterrificjamesdorn: the iso has no problem, thousands of people are burning it fine12:02
jamesdornI have no way of burning it... unless I burn it with a PC12:02
pyramidoverflow, ok if alsa is configured have you opened with alsamixer12:02
jamesdornsubterrific: cant be... why me there?12:02
jamesdornsubterrific: doesnt make sense12:02
jamesdorncant just be me12:02
subterrificjamesdorn: because you have a mac :)12:02
jamesdornsubterrific: ok, nevermind12:02
overflowpyramid: xmms get freeze when I start to play12:02
jamesdornsubterrific: thought you ment there was a problem with my mac, and that other mac users were burnining it fine12:03
jamesdornsubterrific: seems like there would be other people reporting the problem12:03
subterrificjamesdorn: other mac users are burning it fine. me for example12:03
jamesdornsubterrific: and the Ubuntu team would have posted a notice12:03
pyramidoverflow...never mind xmms...first use alsamixer to open stuff...and try to cat a file to your audio device12:03
jamesdornsubterrific: Doesnt make sense12:03
jamesdornsubterrific: 4 diffrent macs, one brand new out of the box12:03
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jamesdornI am not an idiot... promise12:04
subterrificjamesdorn: have you run software update?12:04
jamesdorni am running it on this one.. but there are only security fixes12:04
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jamesdornill let this finish.. then ill report back12:05
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overflowpyramid: nothing12:05
pyramidoverflow, ok...try it again as root..just in case the device is not set right12:06
tsengdoes debian-installer set up a serial console by chance?12:06
TdC_VgAok i got NDIS to install... how can i tell where the actual module went?12:07
pyramidoverflow, what device are you using for audio output12:07
tsengdoes it matter where the module went?12:07
tsengif its installed properly, modprobe ndiswrapper will do the trick12:07
tsengpossibly after depmod -ae12:07
TdC_VgAi have to copy the driver files to the same dir as the module dont i?12:08
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SuperLagoverflow: like this? ---> just install a base Debian install, then change source.list to the one for the Ubuntu mirrors and run with that? or is it more complicated?12:09
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NomadIs apt-get limited with UNBUNTU?12:11
hirostill having probs with USB audio...how do i get this to work on my powerbook?12:11
pyramidhiro, i have never heard of USB audio. that is new to me12:11
plovstseng, add console=device if you have a keyboatd and graphiccard for console12:11
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tsengplovs: i have a headless box i want to install, i thought i might be able to do it on my laptop12:12
hirowhat i am using is a Griffin iMic12:12
hiroALSA supports USB audio, but it doesn't seem to detect my device properly12:13
occyugh, damnit, I just filled out a report in bugzilla and it ate it. 12:13
hirothe kernel detects it, but ALSA doesn't12:13
pyramidhiro, the only thing i know is that if you buy Apple hardware you might as well buy Apple software and OS....or else don't buy any of it.12:13
soleblazehey, can you install Ubuntu as a diskless? (runnning root/file systems from nfs)12:14
plovstseng, should be possible12:14
hiropyramid: not really...i am running OSX for most stuff, but want to do linux development too12:14
plovstseng, debian or ubuntu12:14
pyramidhiro, well if you have paid for OS X..i believe Apple already supports linux with fink12:14
tsengplovs: just realized the bigger problem. dont have a serial cable around =/12:15
pyramidhiro, at least that is what i heard.12:15
hiropyramid, fink only helps you install unix packaged on OSX, it has nothing to do with linux per se12:15
plovstseng, do you have knoppix?12:16
pyramidhiro....well that is the point...most Linux packages run on FreeBSD and other Unix12:16
plovstseng, debootstrap from knoppix-ssh12:16
pyramidhiro, i heard that Apple uses a BSD kernel...but it is only hearsay12:16
tsengplovs: knoppix-ssh?12:17
hiropyramid: true, however it's quite a pain to se everything up the way i want it...i develop on mono and gtk#, which are second-class citizens on OSX12:17
tsengill just hook up a crt now12:17
plovstseng, http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/Headless%20Knoppix12:17
pyramidhiro, you mean you can't just get the gentoo mono package and compile it for your apple12:18
hiroanyway, another question for the crowd: what is the preferred way to install the xvid codec on ubuntu?12:18
hiropyramid: nope, it's not that easy12:18
linux_mafiatseng, good sleep voltron?12:18
soleblazeno one here knows if it's possible to do a diskless install with Ubuntu?12:18
pyramidhiro, hmmm...i did not know...i have never seen an apple computer in my life12:18
plovshiro, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions under dvd12:18
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hiroplovs: thanks, lemme check that out12:19
debianfreedomhow old is ubuntu linux?12:19
plovssoleblaze, debootstrap12:19
Charon79mNew to IRC....  looking for assistance with LT WinModem install on Armada E500.12:20
plovsdebianfreedom, it will be born oct 18th12:20
linux_mafiaCharon79m, www.linuxant.com12:20
debianfreedomso i'm not too late :)12:21
pyramidhiro, apple has always been way to expensive for me12:21
debianfreedomon google there is 83000 links to ubuntu linux12:21
plovsdebianfreedom, you can still by presents, or install the dailybuild12:22
debianfreedomi thought it was more than a year at least12:22
TdC_VgAanyone know a repo with unrar packages on it? doesnt seem to be in universe12:22
soleblazeplovs: is that on the cd or am I going to have to set that up seperatly?12:22
plovsdebianfreedom, not bad for a distro that's not yet officially out12:22
plovssoleblaze, one cd12:22
soleblazeplovs: ok, thanks12:23
hiroplovs: looks like there are no binaries for PPC for the DVD stuff12:23
pyramidplovs, i don't see anything at google for debainfreedom12:23
debianfreedomso how do i sign up?12:23
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plovshiro, http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~agx/linux-ppc/debian/mplayer/ but don't complain if it blows up your computer this was the first link i found in google12:25
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plovspyramid, ?12:25
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plovsdebianfreedom, for what?12:26
debianfreedomi mean to become part of the community12:26
staticactivitywhen i try to install java, i'm getting this error: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory12:26
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debianfreedomforum or something?12:26
plovsdebianfreedom, mailinglist and irc atm 12:27
pyramidplovs, i saw your statement that debain freedom will be born oct 15 so i googled for debianfreedom but nothing comes up12:27
debianfreedomthanx plovs is there no help file at the moment?12:27
debianfreedomapart from the web site12:28
plovspyramid, debianfreedom is a user on irc, on oct 18 ubuntu will be born :) http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog_2fReleaseSchedule12:28
hiroplovs: i might actually just go ahead and compile this from source12:28
plovshiro, always better12:28
pyramidplovs, oh ok...that explains it12:28
plovshiro, just like gentoo :)12:28
TdC_VgAis there a non-free repo for ubuntu? i need to get ahold of unrar12:28
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plovsdebianfreedom, nope but irc is active12:29
hazmathow do you enable emacs key bindings for gnome?12:29
hiroplovs: yeah, i use gentoo on all my boxes...but want to give ubuntu a try12:29
morteohTdC_VgA: just download from rarlab.net?12:29
hazmati thought it was in keyboard shortcuts.. but its not..12:29
hiroplovs: so far i'm pretty impressed by how much works out of the box12:29
pyramidhiro, well eventually ubuntu will be much easier than gentoo12:29
plovshiro, i got tired of gentoo, i like this a lot12:29
hazmati'm in that club as well..12:30
hazmatstill run gentoo on the servers though ...12:30
debianfreedomis there a new version coming out / can i start to download:12:30
plovsgentoo has a *great* community a *great* forum and very good docs12:30
plovsdebianfreedom, better take a daily build12:30
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hazmatdebianfreedom, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/12:31
pyramidplovs, i think the gentoo docks are terrible...they don't give you addresses for libusb...and they don't fully document catalyst12:31
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TdC_VgAhow can i mount a USB Thumb drive? the first time it automounted it on /dev/sda1, but now i can't get it to mount again12:31
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pyramidplovs, it takes hours of searching to find these things12:31
hiroplovs: and plenty of packages...that actually work12:31
debianfreedomhazmat is that image updated daily12:31
pyramidplovs, the gentoo docs have never been very good12:31
debianfreedomi'm on 56k at the moment12:32
plovspyramid, that's not terrible, terrible is the book i got with my video :)12:32
pyramidplovs, that is funny12:32
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Phr0stByteI tried to upgrade a bunch of packages - system wont take the root passwoed anymore - how can I fix that?12:32
hazmatdebianfreedom, yes12:32
hazmatdebianfreedom, use one of the named dailies then12:33
subterrificPhr0stByte: there shouldn't be a root password12:33
hazmator it will switch over on you12:33
pyramidplovs, i think gentoo's problem is that they try to oversimplify everything12:33
subterrificPhr0stByte: you should use sudo with your password12:33
Phr0stBytesubterrific: I meant things like Synaptic and root term12:33
pyramidplovs, but it really ticks me off that they don't fully document catalyst12:34
hazmatPhr0stByte, if you forget your password, you should be able to switch to a single user run mode12:34
Phr0stBytesubterrific: will not take my pass anymore12:34
hazmater. run level12:34
plovspyramid, it's still quite new and not finished isn't it besides programmers hate writing docs12:34
pyramidplovs, well i know but catalyst is very very important12:34
Phr0stBytehazmat: I did not forget - it just wont take it. I think Debian packages broke it12:34
pyramidif they are going to doc anything they should doc catalyst first12:35
plovsPhr0stByte, are you still logged in?12:35
Phr0stBytesudo works fine12:35
plovspyramid, well, how many people use catalyst, i never even looked at it12:35
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pyramidplovs, without catalyst docs...the only distros we can create are debian based distros12:35
plovsPhr0stByte, sudo is all you need12:36
plovspyramid, so? problem solved, here we are :)12:36
Sleeperwhats that iso.torrent file?12:36
Sleeperin the downloads12:36
hazmatsudo bash ;-) sudo passwd 12:36
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Phr0stByteplovs: i did not need to use sudo before for Synaptic and root term12:36
Phr0stBytethats my point12:36
OchAny software for digital cameras in ubuntu?12:37
pyramidplovs, i think it is terrible that gentoo does not document catalyst properly so people can create competition distros for gentoo12:37
plovspyramid, besides if you want to muck with something like catalist you have to know perl, "so use the source,luke" 12:37
hazmatPhr0stByte, only if you were already in a root term and started synaptic from it, or your sudo cache was still in effect12:37
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hazmatpyramid, dude show a distro that documents the inner workings of its installer to any large degree12:37
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hazmatpyramid, where is yast or anaconda documented?12:38
plovsPhr0stByte, for root-terminal you give your own password (it uses sudo as well)12:38
pyramidhazmat, debian has always documented its approach...this is how knoppix was born12:38
pyramidhazmat, anaconda is redhat stuff...they never play fair with linux because they are into commercial stuff12:38
Phr0stBytehazmat: No - I know that. I mean going to applications menu and choosing Synaptic or Root Term12:39
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Phr0stBytehazmat: Click on it - I dialogue box comes up for your pass12:39
Phr0stBytehazmat: It does not except it anymore12:39
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pyramidplovs, i think it is absurd that gentoo does not document catalyst12:40
Phr0stBytehazmat: After updating with Debian sources in my list12:40
hazmatPhr0stByte, whats in your /var/log/auth.log ?12:40
absurdheroI am concerned about the lack of a PPC support team and the lack of apple laptop support in the laptop team12:40
plovspyramid, to close this rather off-topic discussion: 1. they gave you the source 2. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/catalyst/reference.xml12:40
hazmatabsurdhero, word12:40
hazmatabsurdhero, there are still several canonical developers running on powerbooks12:41
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pyramidplovs, yes i need to take a look at that source...but part 2 of the catalyst documentation involves mkisofs and other stuff...so it is difficult without the documentation12:41
absurdherowhy there so little documentation concerning powerbooks?12:41
hazmatpyramid, if your concerned about documenting it why don't you step up.. its not like its a fucking consipiracy12:41
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Phr0stBytehazmat: A lot - what are you needing?12:42
TdC_VgAalright, i've installed the NDIS Driver, the Windows Binary drives yada yada... now how do i setup the interface?12:42
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hazmatPhr0stByte, i'm making a list of all the things that need to be done for the powerbook install to be nicer12:42
TdC_VgAiwconf doesnt show any interfaces..12:42
hazmati'll do a write up for the sounder or dev list.. latter this week.12:42
punkass_have to add it to your /etc/network/interfaces file12:42
jamesdornsubterrific: Updates all done, same problem12:42
punkass_TdC_Vga: iface wlan0 inet dhcp12:43
punkass_you can also set any Essids or wep keys there too if u like12:44
TdC_VgAthanks.. i rebooted and it seems to have taken care of it heh12:44
subterrificjamesdorn: i guess try cdrecord12:44
subterrificjamesdorn: or toast12:44
jamesdornsubterrific: toast burns the cd, and the install will start - but then it cannot mount the CDROM after that12:44
jamesdornso it will not install12:44
Phr0stBytehazmat: here is the failure messege - Oct  3 17:16:46 localhost su[31869] : (pam_unix) authentication failure; logname= uid=1000 euid=0 tty=pts/0 ruser=phr0stbyte rhost=  user=root12:44
Phr0stByteOct  3 17:16:48 localhost su[31869] : pam_authenticate: Authentication failure12:44
hazmatPhr0stByte, sorry got mixed up in diff conversations.. i was just curious whats in there after an usuccesfull attempt12:44
plovsgood-night everyone!12:44
jamesdornsubterrific: cdrecord is not an option until someone can tell me the BSD path to my CD-RW drive.12:45
hazmatg'nite plovs12:45
hazmatPhr0stByte, i dunno.. i'd bring it up on the user list12:45
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darklingjamesdorn: BSD path?12:46
Phr0stBytehazmat: shout "rhost= " have a value?12:46
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darklingjamesdorn: It's undocumented, but cdrecord accepts device nodes for dev=12:46
jamesdorndarkling: cdrecord wants a dev path to the cd-rw... and scanbus doesnt work12:46
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phin_is the default debian kernel config the same as the ubuntu?12:46
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visik7phin_ what do u mean ?12:47
hazmatPhr0stByte, not afaics.. i just tried a failed login and its blank for me as well (entered wrong password).. but it works otherwise12:47
phin_are the default .config files the same12:47
Phr0stBytehazmat: Damn Debian sources broke my Ubuntu12:48
hazmatPhr0stByte, have you looked at your /etc/sudoers file12:48
jamesdorndarkling: do you know what the dev path is in OSX?12:48
jamesdorn /dev/???12:48
Zero-Gyes - at least on this powerbook ;o)12:49
TdC_VgAbest way to set the WEP Key? command line or gnome?12:49
hazmatPhr0stByte, its quite possible the a deb sudo package might have overwritten12:49
hazmatPhr0stByte, in mine i see # Added by Ubuntu installer12:49
hazmathazmat  ALL=(ALL) ALL12:49
jamesdornZero-G: how would I find out on any mac?12:49
darklingjamesdorn: Ah, no. Sorry. I didn't read back far enough... :(12:49
jamesdornZero-G: what is it on the pb?12:49
Phr0stBytehazmat: # User privilege specification12:49
Phr0stByteroot    ALL=(ALL) ALL12:49
Phr0stByte# Added by Ubuntu installer12:49
Phr0stBytephr0stbyte      ALL=(ALL) ALL12:49
Zero-Gjamesdorn: it's definitely /dev/ on any Mac, just like it is on FreeBSD12:49
hazmatPhr0stByte, if you can read that your already root12:49
jamesdornZero-G: right, I know its /dev/ but whats the name of the device?12:50
jamesdorn /dev/???12:50
Phr0stBytehazmat: NO - I did sudo cat /etc/sudoers12:50
Zero-Goh, sorry - enter conversation too late12:50
robertj_hrmm, im getting intermittent connaction over wireless when I'm < 5 feet from my wap :(12:50
robertj_no problems on win32 or ubuntu x8612:50
Zero-Ghang on - let me look for my dvd12:50
hazmatPhr0stByte, so your problem is confined soley to the auth screen for synaptic?12:51
hazmatwhen launched from the gnome menu?12:51
hazmatPhr0stByte, what about sudo synaptic ? or sudo bash ; synaptic ?12:51
Phr0stBytehazmat: Stuff in X that require pass12:51
Phr0stBytesudo in term always works12:51
robertj_so would be doing a %s/warty/hoary/g in /etc/apt/sources.list be hazardous to my computers health at this point ;)12:52
hazmatPhr0stByte, i have no idea then... 12:52
pyramidthose catalyst docs at gentoo are worthless ...they don't show how to create a bootable live cd that autodetects lots of hardware for distro competition12:53
Zero-GCD  = /dev/disk2s0 on my Mac, but i don't know how general that is... try /dev/diskXs0 for different values of X starting from 0 until it works12:53
Phr0stBytehazmat: Is there an easy way to remove all non Ubuntu packages?12:53
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pyramidpyramid, right now...the only bootable live cd's we can create are debian based ones...and it doesn't cover all known hardware12:54
jamesdorndoes no one know how I can find this?12:55
robertj_pyramid: any news on the warty artwork12:56
pyramidrobertj, no but there sure are a lot of interested ubuntu people...look at how many in just this room on just this server12:57
Zero-Gjamesdorn: is your cd moounted?12:57
TdC_VgApunkass do i need to install an iface package?12:57
Zero-Gjamesdorn: if so, just type mount at a command prompt12:58
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pyramidrobertj, i really am personally interested in creating a hurd distro as soon as the gnu threads are ready to support gnome and kde...and also maybe get a sound drvier to work with12:58
fragmentAnyone know if there's a way to toggle UTC system clock via the GUI?12:58
jamesdornZero-G: eh?12:58
jamesdornZero-G: The blank one?12:58
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robertj_pyramid: what's the big deal about HURD?12:59
jamesdornI am trying to write an image on a blank disk with cdrecord12:59
pyramidrobertj, i don't think MS can destroy the Hurd like it can destroy Linux....12:59
jamesdornwell crap12:59
jamesdornyour write12:59
robertj_pyramid: why not?12:59
Zero-Gjamesdorn: stick a non-blank CD in. hope it gets mounted automatically, type mount, note /dev/ location of CD, stick in blank cd12:59
pyramidrobertj, because the Hurd really is not Unix....it is a different philosophical approach with translators01:00
jamesdornyou just helped me01:00
subterrificpyramid: wait, how exactly can microsoft destroy linux? because linux isn't really unix either01:00
robertj_pyramid: but why does that do it any better legally? Surely if they own the rights to unix they own rights to utils that have been cloned by bsd/gnu01:01
fragmentsubterrific, smother it in lawyers?01:01
subterrificfragment: not working so far01:01
pyramidsubterrific, if you take posix threads out of linux...all you have left is unix...and yes MS can destroy it because they have many Unix approach patents to destroy it with01:01
jamesdornstill says no matching devices for /dev/disk2s001:01
mjrpyramid, good, 'cause I'm interested in using Hurd once I can run Gnome on and get sound out of it ;)01:01
robertj_playing what if patent games are dumb01:01
fragmentsubterrific, They're waiting for the Great Lawyer Surplus of 2020.01:02
mjrI have no doubts that Hurd violates a bunch of patents as well, though01:02
Zero-Gjamesdorn: try /dev/disk2 without a slice on the end01:02
pyramidrobertj, MS is not playing games they are using real Big $$$ to arm themselves with an arsenal of patents just like IBM has01:02
robertj_If you really want to play it safe take opendarwin and start hacking01:02
robertj_at least then apple legal has to go to bat for you01:02
jamesdornZero-G: no luck01:02
subterrificpeople have been waiting for hurd to be usable for longer than linux has existed...01:03
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LinuxJonesIBM can kick MS but in a patent war01:03
robertj_and bottom line is that the doj would smack them if they try to put linux down with a patent war01:03
Zero-Gare you burning this on MacOSX?01:03
mjrrobertj_, yeah, on the wrist01:03
cleeyeah, because the DoJ has been super effective thus far.01:03
hazmatPhr0stByte, dunno.. i'm a debian neophyte.. can you start synaptic from a term?01:03
jamesdornZero-G: Yes01:03
pyramidsubterrific, well there is now a patch for ext2 to extend Hurd for large partitions..but still no alsa sound driver and still no gnu threads support for gnome and kde01:03
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robertj_The US government is not MS's friend01:04
robertj_If push comes to shove they will stab it in the back01:04
cleerobertj_: dude, you're dreaming.01:04
Zero-Gjamesdorn: http://www.nedrichards.com/archives/2002/09/19/osx-iso-burning/01:04
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KeybukI'd've thought the opposite would be true; Linux has less to fear because being more UNIX-like there's more chance of smacking down any patent because it'd apply to a dozen other companies with similar code ... whereas Hurd is a little more exciting and on the edge, and may infringe as-yet-undiscovered patents companies had lurking in their drawers01:05
pyramidrobertj, the doj lets MS do anything they want to do01:05
robertj_clee: nope. Polticians are fickle01:05
robertj_at some point everyone gets stabbed in the back01:05
subterrificHurd is not exciting and on the edge. most of the code is 10+ years old01:05
tylerwyliehow's ubuntu's apt-repository compared to say... gentoo's portage package database?01:05
robertj_If they get mad enough they could/would/will amend the constitution to allow them to seize patents for public domain01:05
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robertj_tyler: ubuntu's apt repository is notably like debian's package repository01:06
mjr*hmm*, let's count the reasons why the US government wants to not have a US company have an OS monopoly...01:06
mjrlet's see...01:06
joemthere are better places to have this conversation01:06
robertj_1. because there is no such thing as a US company01:06
jamesdornZero-G: 'Disk Copy' is a tool from 10.2 and was phased out for 10.3. it was integrated into Disk Copy - witch is the tool I am having problems with01:06
joemanywhere but here..01:06
tylerwylierobertj, how many packages total?01:06
robertj_james: good grief, I wish they kept that01:06
mjrjoem, agreed, I'll stop01:06
robertj_james: i have a bajillion users that cant copy cds without using toast because they can't comprehend the task of using disk images01:06
robertj_tyler: more than 501:07
Zero-Gahhh - I have Toast ;o)01:07
robertj_james: i coudln't burn warty with disk utility01:07
robertj_it crashed on me01:07
robertj_I had to burn it using a windows machine01:07
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cleetylerwylie: my apt-get install list shows 16483 packages available01:08
cleebut that does include 1) Warty's 'universe' package set and 2) tseng's mono repository01:08
robertj_oky, much more immediate legal question. The faq says research is being done into multimedia support's legal implications. What research is being done/planned?01:08
Zero-Gjamesdorn: my Disk Utility appears to be working fine...01:08
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jamesdornZero-G: I got a wrapper app to work with cdrecord01:09
jamesdornworks good01:09
jamescubehey, any ppc users here?01:09
jamesdornZero-G: Do you have the newest of the downloaded isos?01:09
robertj_james: here!01:09
robertj_I'm on a g3 ibook right now01:09
robertj_in warty01:09
robertj_And I daylight as a system admin at a 90% mac shop01:09
Zero-Gi'm on a PPC... mines a g4 baby powerbook01:10
octalc0dewhere's ubuntu's /boot/grub/grub.conf01:10
octalc0deit's not there ?=(01:10
subterrificoctalc0de: menu.lst01:10
jamescubewhat do us ppc users do in the way of java plugin and flash plugin for firefox?01:10
Zero-Guse Safari?01:10
jamesdornZero-G: If so, disk utility doesnt have a problem with the warty images being mouted?01:10
jamescubeno osx.. hehe01:11
mjrjamescube, whine to Sun and Macromedia about their unopenness01:11
Phr0stByteWhat package is the Root Terminal in?01:11
octalc0desubterrific: oh, thanks01:11
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jamescubemjr, yeah.. heh.. bastards01:11
robertj_james: OS X.3 would mount it but not burn it01:11
robertj_that was my experience anyway01:11
Zero-Gjamesdorn: I'm not mounting the disk image. I stuck a CD in the drive, selected Burn in disk utility, selected the .iso and glicked go01:11
robertj_Zero: did it crash?01:12
jamesdornZero-G: disk utility crashes when I do that.01:12
robertj_james: same here01:12
jamesdornon all four of my macs... including the new powerbook out of the box01:12
robertj_I burned it using Windows XP's iso burner at work01:12
Zero-Ghasn't crashed yet01:12
jamesdornlet me see if this worked01:12
jamesdornah ha! i think this worked01:13
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robertj_btw, how do you change which button acts as right click?01:13
robertj_F12 isn't convenient as it requires an fn key press to use on this ibook01:14
robertj_right command would seem like a better choice for me01:14
jamesdornit so worked!01:14
jamesdornDoes ubuntu work with the new powerbooks?01:14
Zero-Gjamesdorn: burnt cd with Disk Utiltiy - it's just verifying it now01:15
robertj_james: what did you do?01:15
jamesdornZero-G: hrm01:15
Zero-Gjamesdorn: hang on though - i just thought01:15
Zero-Gjamesdorn: i'm burning the i386 version01:15
jamesdornsame problem... it will not mount the cdrom durring the installation01:15
Zero-Gjamesdorn: no way am i giving up my baby to linux - i would miss the shiny edges01:16
robertj_I'm dual booting fine here01:16
jamesdornZero-G: =) right.01:16
jamesdorndual boot01:16
danbotbut marble I already have01:17
robertj_btw, do yall ever long for a dock plugin?01:17
Zero-Gjamesdorn: oh look, Disk Utility burnt a lovely i386 iso - now I have two of them01:17
Phr0stByteWhat package is Root Terminal in?01:17
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jamesdornZero-G: now try the powerpc =)01:18
Zero-Gbah - no way am i going to dual boot - MacOSX gives me everything i need apart from the Active Directory Users and Groups Management console for Windows01:19
Zero-Gi'm sticking ubuntu on my work desktop01:19
Phr0stByteWhat package is Root Terminal in?01:20
jamesdornThis is such a mess01:20
morteohhow can i make rhytmbox play mp3's?01:21
danbotWhy dont you just use XMMS01:22
robertj_Because once rhythmbox plays mp3s every gstreamer app plays mp3s01:23
TdC_VgAany graphics WiFi managment tools? i'm having a bitch of a time configuring this adapater now lol01:23
robertj_That means in the distant distant future when Impress plays an mp3 via gstreamer it will work01:23
robertj_TdC: I added mine using the Network utility01:23
tylerwylieman if amaroK didn't have to be kde based it would kick ass01:24
TdC_VgAmodified /etc/network/interfaces added what i think should make it work, but no such luck.. i get no DHCP response01:24
robertj_TdC: remove all that junk and use the UGI01:24
robertj_err GUI01:24
TdC_VgArobertj: the one supplied by gnome? if so how did you setup the wap01:24
robertj_TdC: its an open WAP01:25
robertj_get it working -key then worry about it01:25
TdC_VgAsee thats my problem.. i can't setup the wap part from gnome01:25
robertj_are you using WEP?01:25
jamescubewell crap.. no java plugin.. wife will be annoyed.  the blackdown ones seem to be compiled ages ago, so they dont work.. and the moz-vlc plugin seems broken in ppc too01:25
TdC_VgAyeah WEP01:26
morteohjamescube: download from java.sun.com ?01:26
jamescubefor ppc?01:26
TdC_VgAsorry i'm a j2me developer used to typing WAP hehe01:26
robertj_TdC: does it work fine with WEP disabled?01:26
TdC_VgAnot sure... i'd have to get wep turned off heh01:26
robertj_I'd do that01:26
TdC_VgAi can see the signal strengh in gnomes toolbar thing though01:27
morteohjamescube: oh, ppc.. sure.. not idea01:27
robertj_then if that works maybe iwconfig eth1 key blah01:27
Phr0stBytehazmat: I fixed the problem!!!01:28
robertj_I'd file an rfe though01:28
Phr0stBytehazmat: I had to roll-back gksu01:28
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jamesdornfreaking crap... hole01:31
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TdC_VgAalright have to knock this laptop off to test this01:32
jamesdornthe installer cannot mount the CDROM again!01:32
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menatorokay, got it installed, but I use my internet through my builtin gigabyte gnwiag wireless. I usually use ndiswrapper or madwifi. Both need kernel source to compile. Where can I download the source from? I don't have net access in ubuntu as of yet so I can't use apt-get.01:35
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LinuxJonesmenator, http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-
joemyou don't need the source to compile drivers01:38
joemjust linux-headers01:39
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TdC_WTFnope, no such luck01:40
TdC_WTFstill dont get a DHCP response.. maybe it's because i'm using the NDIS Wrapper01:40
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TdC_WTFodd though, i can definitely see my signal strength.. 01:40
jason__is there anyway to play mp3s in ubuntu?01:40
LinuxJoneshi jason__01:40
jason__xmms doesnt work01:41
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jamesdornI pissed some guy of that could not speak good english yesterday... he said "hey, fuc(< you in my @ss"01:41
jason__totem and rythembox wont play mp3s01:41
jamesdornwas totally funny01:41
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subterrificjason__: read the FAQ01:41
jason__what faq?01:42
subterrific /topic01:42
MightyJoeYoungis ubuntu 100 % compatible with debian, ie. if i add debian sources to my /etc/apt/sources.list will stuff break ?01:42
subterrificmp3 has patent restrictions01:42
jdubMightyJoeYoung: we discourage it01:42
jgeorgesonso the faq makes it sound like there is no mp3 support, but i'm able to listen to mp3 streams from shoutcast.com in rhythmbox. but i don't get titles01:42
jdubMightyJoeYoung: see the faq :)01:42
KeybukMightyJoeYoung: no, things will break.  Instead add the Ubuntu "universe" component which contains Debian recompiled01:42
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MightyJoeYoungokay ... but where can i find mplayer ?01:43
LinuxJonesMightyJoeYoung, try apt-get.org01:43
MightyJoeYoungLinuxJones, thanks01:43
Keybukyou *can* install Debian .debs on Ubuntu, it's the APT sources that don't work particularly well01:44
jgeorgesonwhere's frozen-bubble?01:44
Keybukjgeorgeson: in universe01:45
micXjdub, I can't believe you dumped your toilet seat iBook. How could you? :)01:45
MightyJoeYoungcan i become a member of ubuntulinux.org .. ? Nice to see it uses plone :)01:45
MepisBelleKeybuk: Not advisable according to the website.01:45
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jgeorgesonKeyduk: bummer, I tried enabling universe about an hour ago and got errors doing an apt-get update (i would retry it now but i'm currently doing an upgrade for the 200+ updates in main and restricted01:47
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KeybukMepisBelle: the problem is, as that link says, APT can't distinguish between two packages of the same version from different sources when their MD5 sums are different (which is what happens when you mix Ubuntu and Debian); and actually makes a random one the candidate, so you'll end up randomly downloading subsets of Debian and Ubuntu every single time you update01:47
menatorIs the kernel source on the cd?01:47
MepisBelleKeybuk: Exactly - so it's not advised.  :-)01:47
jamesdornsomeone has the same freaking problem01:47
Keybukbut you can just grab the .debs themselves and install them, because dpkg doesn't care at all01:47
menatorI'm need the source to compile the madwifi drivers01:48
Keybukthough it is probably far sweeter if you grabbed the sources and built your own .debs against Ubuntu, and provided them for everyone01:48
jason__wow that sucks01:48
jason__no mp3 support01:49
Keybukjason__: install the gstreamer0.8-mad package?01:49
jamesdornjason__: all of linux is facing your 'problem'01:49
jason__I will01:49
asdf_46How are the packages avalable for ubuntu picked? Is it like user linux where there is a set list, or just what is currently avalible?01:49
jgeorgesonKeybuk: do you know how to enable song title info from streams in rhythmbox?01:50
LinuxJonesasdf_46, you can do a base install then add whatever apps you like01:50
asdf_46LinuxJones, I mean what is avalible in the repository.01:50
jason__thanks mp3 support works now01:51
menatoranyone know if the kernel source is somewhere on the cd, or do I have to download it from somewhere. I need to compile madwifi so I can connect to my net.01:51
Keybukjgeorgeson: not off-hand; I've got gstreamer0.8-plugins and its dependencies installed and it seems to work fine01:51
jgeorgesonmenator: it's called linux-source, I believe01:51
LinuxJonesasdf_46, there are over 13,000 packages acailable if you include universe repo01:52
LinuxJoneserr available01:52
menatorjgeorgeson: thnx01:52
asdf_46LinuxJones, Do I have to add that repository seperatly? I don't remeber seeing that many in synaptic.01:53
jensensubuntu in austrian-media (popular newpaper): http://derstandard.at/?url=/?id=1803391 (may it isnt new for you)01:53
jgeorgesonKeybuk: is gstreamer-plugins a meta package? `dpkg -l gstreamer*` shows I'm only missing audiosink, colorpsace, plugins, and videosink01:53
LinuxJonesasdf_46, yes if you go settings >> repositories you can check the line that has main restricted universe you will be fine01:54
asdf_46LinuxJones, Found a link and answred my own question, thanks for the help01:54
Keybukjgeorgeson: yes, but it's gstreamer0.8-plugins01:55
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danbotI am currently decideing between ubuntu-a64 and debian-a64. anyone have any advice01:57
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LinuxJonesdanbot, Ubuntu is more polished IMHO. However I don't know about the a64 releases.02:00
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jgeorgesonis there a convenient runlevel editor (really miss service/chkconfig form fedora)?02:02
LinuxJonesjgeorgeson, update-rc.d02:02
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jason__how do I mount my windows drive so that I can use it not as root02:03
morteohis it possible to have GVM not mount removeable devices with noexec ?02:04
asdf_46jason__, -o user=USERNAME,group=GROUPNAME02:04
asdf_46jason__, and make sure the directory you are mounting to is read and writable by that user.02:05
WWWhen I start mplayer, I get an error window that says: New_Face failed. Maybe the font path is wrong. Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf).02:06
LinuxJonesWW, you can download the fonts form the mplayer homepage I think02:06
LinuxJoneserr from02:06
morteohWW: are you using the .deb's ?02:06
morteohWW: mplayer-fonts 02:06
Serenity^and then set the font ya wanna use02:06
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tonybaloneyhello... got a question about playing dvd's02:09
jgeorgesontonybaloney: ask away (i probably have same question though)02:09
tonybaloneywhat do I need to install on ubuntu to play commercial copy-protected dvds? 02:10
jgeorgesonI would guess libdvdcss from debian-marillat, unless it's included in universe02:10
LinuxJonestonybaloney, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions see # 502:10
tsengdvdcss from marillat and totem-xine02:11
Serenity^yeah, probly woudn't hurt to have libdvdread as well, tho I dunno if it's mandatory02:11
WWmorteoh, Serenity^, LinuxJones: Thanks, I installed mplayer-fonts (from marillat), and now I don't get the error.02:11
tonybaloneydoh, thanks didn't see that in the FAQ...thanks will try the marillat link..thanks all02:11
jgeorgesonLinuxJones: `sudo update-rc.d postfix stop 20 3 4 5 .` just says 'System startup links for /etc/init.d/postfix already exist.'02:12
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tsengschweeb: did you ever rebuild that stuff?02:12
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LinuxJonesjgeorgeson, if you want to stop a service you can /etc/init.d/servicename stop02:13
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jgeorgesonLinuxJones: I thought that command would make it not start in runlevels 345, which is what I want02:14
LinuxJonesjgeorgeson, if you want to delete the service from runlevels you can update-rc.d -f postfix remove02:14
Serenity^or just comment it out02:14
asdf_46Is there any yast-ish config program for Ubuntu?02:15
Serenity^learn to use the console02:15
WWSorry, more questions from the clueless: What software or configuration do  I need to listen to this online radio station: http://www.wfuv.org/stream.html02:15
Serenity^what happens when yer fancy gui breaks and ya cant fix anything ?02:15
LinuxJonesasdf_46, not quite but hopefully they will adopt yast since it has been GPL'd02:15
tsengadopt yast? nasty.02:15
WWBoth Windowsmedia and ShoutCast cause mplayer to start, but then nothing happens.02:16
Keybukyast?  *runs away screaming*02:16
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jgeorgesonLinuxJones: ah, k02:16
LinuxJonestseng, I wouldn't use it but it might be usefull for people new to Linux02:16
Keybukthe only tool that makes things harder and take longer than the command line02:16
Serenity^WW,  I generally use xmms for audio,  02:16
asdf_46I am all for the command line, but I have to work with other people.02:17
MorchubooHi all - anyone got any idea how I enable the loop device so I can mount an iso image?02:17
Serenity^you could always pray for the deb based distros to bring back linuxconf lol!02:17
jensenswhats the adress of the marillat repository for mplayer?02:17
Morchuboodo i have to recompile kernel?02:18
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LinuxJoneslinuxconf rolf02:18
|trey|LinuxJones: I would rather they adopt the Fedora tools... YaST is perhaps the worst configuration program available on the linux platform!02:18
Serenity^the "L" word lolol02:18
Morchuboooops doesnt matter - just found there is a module for it02:18
|trey|YaST is incredibly slow, and annoying!02:18
asdf_46|trey|, do the fedora tools work in non-gui?02:19
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|trey|asdf_46: yes... 'setup'02:19
LinuxJones|trey|, yes they are quite nice.02:19
jgeorgesonLinuxJones: I don't see a way to print a summary of each service's on/off setting for each runlevel02:19
Serenity^there's a large outcry from my distro's community againt someone innocently suggesting a gui for the pkg manager, heh02:19
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WWjensens: See question 5: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions02:19
jgeorgesonI hate yast02:19
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Keybukjgeorgeson: ls /etc/rc?.d02:20
Keybukjgeorgeson: the Ubuntu policy (like Debian) is that installed services start automatically02:20
|trey|Keybuk: umm, the redhat tools assume your a moron, much like most config tools... 02:20
Serenity^linuxconf had a nasty habit of mangling things iirc02:20
jensensWW, thx02:20
asdf_46I liked yast at first, but everytime I do something it does this giant system check or something that takes forever.02:20
|trey|They don't even let you do much, but still about as much as YaST lets you do, without being so annoying...02:20
micXSerenity^, you got that right. linuxconf is a POS.02:20
Keybukjgeorgeson: from a user point of view, I don't see the benefit in even distinguishing "installed and starting, installed and not starting and not installed" when "installed and not installed" do the job02:21
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asdf_46So what do you do about people unwilling to just use the command line?02:21
Keybuk|trey|: that's not been my experience with them, sadly02:21
jgeorgesonI really like service, chkconfig, and the system-config-* apps from fedora02:21
micXasdf_46, get them a windows box. they deserve it. :)02:22
|trey|Keybuk: hah... please don't tell me you didn't understand them, else I get to laugh my fucking ass off02:22
|trey|ps, anyone looked at gdebconf, any good?02:22
Keybuk|trey|: there's no need to be rude.02:22
jgeorgesonKeybuk, well, I don't always want sshd running. I never want postifx running, and may uninstall all the lsb stuff so I can get rid of postfix too02:22
Serenity^I've never been a fan of rh/fedora/mdk,etc  guess I have a nice healthy aversion to rpm, heh02:22
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joem|trey|, language please02:23
|trey|joem: blah02:23
asdf_46micX, they are still smart enough to use a hand-holding linux distro02:23
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micXasdf_46, so for the rare occasion, you talk them through it. that's what I do for OSX folks.02:23
|trey|Serenity^: Fedora and Mandrake don't make you work with RPM's anymore...02:24
menatoranyone here use madwifi or ndiswrapper?02:24
|trey|DPKG is pretty moronic too if you work with it alone...02:24
Keybukjgeorgeson: it should probably be easier to uninstall postfix than it currently is.  otherwise you're in a fairly "techie" standpoint (personally, I have a lot of stuff installed on my laptop which I don't start until I want it) and once you're that techie the command line suffices02:24
micX|trey|, sure, but it's still way better than rpm.02:24
Keybukfrom the pov of a user who isn't a techie, they shouldn't care whether things are installed and need to be started manually -- they should just install what they want and remove what they don't want02:25
|trey|joem: just out of curiosity, you a dev or an op here?02:25
Serenity^heh, I use arch and there's not even a dpkg like tool, nor anything like the slack pkgtool even, heh02:25
|trey|micX: they are about equal actually, its just RPM gets a worse wrap...02:25
jgeorgesonKeybuk: yeah, I'm just spoiled on chkconfig and service (which you probably already guessed)02:25
|trey|joem: if not... please don't tell me what to do, theres a good chap02:26
micX|trey|, in use, maybe because of RH, rpm is worse.02:26
WWSerenity^: Thanks. I remembered that Rhythmbox has internet radio options, so I'm going to experiment with that.02:26
jgeorgeson|trey|: so sick of hearing 'apt kicks the crap out of rpm'02:26
Keybuk|trey|: can you please read and think about http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct02:26
LinuxJonesjgeorgeson, a chkconfig .deb is available for download from a debian repo02:26
|trey|micX: rpm isn't even sponsored by RH, hasn't been for a number of years...02:26
micX|trey|, rpm hell is why I gave up on rpm based distros.02:26
Serenity^WW,  yeah, I just like to use mplayer/xine only for video use and nothing else, heh02:27
|trey|jgeorgeson: umm, apt and rpm are not comparible, they fullfill different tasks02:27
micX|trey|, never had that with dpkg.02:27
jgeorgesonLinuxJones: really?? schweet02:27
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jgeorgeson|trey|: exaclty why I'm sick of hearing it02:27
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Keybukjgeorgeson: there's probably a case for something ncurses like chkconfig, fiddling with symlinks can be a bit of a pain;  but I don't think there needs to be a "easy GUI for novices" because I don't think it's something novices should need to care about02:27
|trey|micX: because you never work with dpkg... if you stick to yum, you have a simular result...02:27
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Serenity^micX,  heh rpm was dependancy hell02:27
ficusplanetWill pygtk 2.4.0 make it into the final release of Warty?02:27
micX|trey|, I'm sorry. I often work with dpkg.02:28
Keybukficusplanet: already uploaded02:28
ficusplanetAwesome.  That is great news.02:28
|trey|micX: Once upon a time, your argument was valid... today, it just shows your ignorance...02:28
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micX|trey|, whatever floats your boat big boy. 02:29
TDT|PBbetter to hand a baseball bat to micX so he can whack |trey| in the back of the hea02:29
jgeorgesonKeybuk, chkconfig isn't ncurses, at least it never has been whenI've used it02:29
subterrific|trey|: yum is the reason i switched to ubuntu02:29
subterrificit was so awful02:29
|trey|micX: I have traded between Fedora and Debian for the better part of a year... there is very little difference other then overall appearence today...02:30
Keybukjgeorgeson: there definitely was an ncurses one, it might've checked $DISPLAY.  It's been a year or so since I last used RH/Fedora in earnest though02:30
micXTDT|PB, thanks for the offer, it would mess up the bat.02:30
TDT|PBInsulting people is the most stupid thing anyone can do, and it really doesn't show any maturity on the part of the individual who is doing the insulting.02:30
|trey|subterrific: YUM is nice imo...02:30
subterrific|trey|: i guess if you like slow serial downloading02:30
TDT|PBmicX: yeah, perhaps...a metal bat works nicely :)02:30
Serenity^pkg management is about the only differing factor in distros these days02:30
xustui'm sure you've all heard this a million times    if the root password is disabled and i must use sudo     when i do use sudo and it prompts me for the password   what do i give it?     ie.   >sudo passwd root  >password:02:31
|trey|subterrific: that occurs ONCE... you can also use APT just as well on Fedora  :/02:31
Keybukxustu: your password02:31
xustualright 02:31
jensenswhat do i need to make totem running VCD's? it says a plugin is missing. mplayer is installed.02:31
subterrific|trey|: no, it occurs everytime you run yum install <pkg>02:31
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|trey|subterrific: apt downloads Packages.gz every time you apt-get update... same thing... just yum only updates headers for new packages, whereas apt does it every time you update02:31
danbotAnybody here use AMD64 Ubuntu?02:31
jsubl2jensens, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions02:32
jensensjsubl2: installed it02:32
Keybukjensens: gstreamer0.8-misc02:32
subterrificyum does it every time you run install02:32
subterrificwhich is silly02:32
Keybuk(assuming you're still using totem-gstreamer)02:32
jason__root@ubuntu:/home/jason # mount /dev/sda1 /home/jason/windows -o user=jason,group=jason02:32
jason__mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,02:32
jason__       or too many mounted file systems02:32
|trey|subterrific: not really... you download (average) of 100kb's... whereas the average Packages.gz is about 4MB  :/02:33
xustudoes anyone know of a gnome applet that not only reports signal strength but also available access points?02:33
jason__this is what I get when I try to mount my windows drive so my user can use it:02:33
joemjason__, you aren't giving it the filesystem02:33
xustujason_  try -t vfat02:33
jason__root@ubuntu:/home/jason # mount /dev/sda1 /home/jason/windows -o user=jason,group=jason02:33
jason__mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,02:33
jason__       or too many mounted file systems02:33
xustuor -t ntfs02:33
subterrific|trey|: and yet the 4mb is faster because its one file instead of yum serially connecting, downloading one file, disconnecting, connecting, downloading the next file, etc...02:33
Serenity^I'm somewhat hesitant to give ubuntu a try, after trying several deb based distros ( & deb itself a few times ) I just never felt comfy with it, kinda afraid to wipe out a sperbly tuned arch install just to experiment, heh02:33
Keybukxustu: there are various ones we're considering for Hoary ... there's an issue of how you actually gain the necessary privilege to allow network changing at the moment02:33
jason__ mount /dev/sda1 /home/jason/windows -o user=jason,group=jason -t ntfs02:34
jason__mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,02:34
jason__       or too many mounted file systems02:34
micXSerenity^, disk is cheap :)02:34
|trey|subterrific: umm, that is entirely dependent on the server... if you use the default servers, you are the only one to blame for the speed... I see no difference in speed  :/02:34
subterrificyum should have used rsync02:34
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|trey|subterrific: umm, it can  :/02:34
subterrific|trey|: the default servers are so limited in the number of packages though02:34
joemjason__, ease up on the flooding..what file system is the windows partition?02:34
micXsubterrific, like gentoo does.02:34
subterrificyou can't realistically run a desktop system with the default redhat packages02:35
|trey|subterrific: my point was DON'T use default servers... way to miss it...02:35
Serenity^I see no advantage to gentoo's src approach02:35
|trey|micX: no one cares about Gentoo.02:35
Keybukjason__: what does "sudo file -s /dev/sda1" say?02:35
micX|trey|, right.02:35
|trey|micX: then I will ask you not to bring it up.02:36
subterrific|trey|: yum is just a poor design.02:36
jason__/dev/sda1: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x52, OEM-ID "NTFS    ", sectors/cluster 8, reserved sectors 0, Media descriptor 0xf8, heads 255, hidden sectors 63, dos < 4.0 BootSector (0x80)02:36
|trey|subterrific: negative... its design is very well thought out..02:36
jason__ntfs ;)02:36
micXSerenity^, I was talking about gentoo's update via rsync, not the source approach, which I also don't care for.02:36
Keybukjason__: ah, d'oh...  try with uid= and gid= :)  not user/group02:36
|trey|subterrific: it is just designed for a different format... apt is designed for dpkg, yum is designed for rpm... apt would take advantage of headers if dpkg had them...02:37
Keybuk(they have to be numeric, get them with id -u and id -g)02:37
micX|trey|, you op here bud?02:37
Keybuk|trey|: dpkg has headers.02:37
|trey|Keybuk: the data in Packages.gz doesn't count.02:37
MepisBelleMore like a roving argumentative.02:37
|trey|The packages themselves don't contain information about the packages.02:37
menatorWhy when I have gcc installed does gcc report command not found.02:37
Keybuk|trey|: yes they do.02:37
jason__thank you keybuk02:37
|trey|MepisBelle: grr, you again02:37
jason__it worked02:37
jason__now to add it to my fstab02:38
MepisBelle|trey|: grr, you again - I had the same feeling.02:38
LinuxJonesmenator, did you install build-essentials ?02:38
|trey|Keybuk: how many deb's have you made?02:38
micXhow do you set ignore on irc? is it /ignore |trey| ?02:38
|trey|MepisBelle: heh  :)02:38
Keybuk|trey|: heh, you so won't win that particular line of argument02:38
menatorLinuxJones: no, but I have gcc 3.4 installed02:38
|trey|micX: with "all" at the end, yes02:38
LinuxJonesmenator, it's not in your $PATH then 02:39
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jsubl2A freindly helpful channel can do more for a distro then this silly argument02:39
LinuxJonesmenator, gcc -v should output the version name02:39
|trey|Keybuk: Packages.gz is the only file that contains info about the deb... if you want to try to argue that, go ahead...02:40
MepisBellejsubl2: Yes - you are right.  But some people travel the irc channels just trolling to pick such arguments.02:40
Tresnarjsubl2: Nobody's mother's been dragged into it yet. I'd say things are running smooth <grin>02:40
jdub|trey|: i refer you to:02:40
jdubdpkg-deb -I02:40
jdubdpkg-deb -e02:40
Serenity^any ideas what I have to do to get src to "make" with automake 1.9, it refuses to do anything without 1.4,  editing the top level makefile got me a makefile.am error, ?02:40
jdubapt-cache show dpkg | grep Maintainer02:40
jgeorgesonjdub: are you the garnome jdub?02:40
Keybukjdub: Uploaders ... the maintainer is the mailing list02:41
menatorLinuxJones: is gcc installed in /usr/bin? 02:41
jgeorgesonjdub: thanks for your awesome work on that.02:41
Keybukactually, on Ubuntu it isn't, is it?02:41
jsubl2Tresnar, true02:41
jdubnup :)02:41
jdubjgeorgeson: thanks :)02:41
jdubjgeorgeson: it's now in the very capable hands of paul drain02:41
LinuxJonesmenator, ya02:41
Keybukjdub: you gave up garnome?!02:42
MepisBellejsubl2: Nobodies mother?  hehe ... should I?02:42
jdubKeybuk: something's gotta give ;)02:42
menatorLinuxJones: maybe I'll just revert back to 3.3 by uninstalling 3.4 and installing build-essentials02:42
jdubKeybuk: paul's been kicking arse02:42
jsubl2MepisBelle, not sure02:42
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LinuxJonesmenator, that would be the easiest thing to do :D02:42
TresnarMepisBelle: Hahah. I'm not sure either. It'd probably be a blast ;)02:42
TresnarJust worry for the people that join in halfway. :)02:42
menatorLinuxJones: /usr/bin/gcc reports command not found. 02:42
MepisBelleTresnar: <grin>02:42
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Keybukjdub: heh, I've moved over completely now02:43
Tresnarjdub: Send one my way, hmm?02:43
menatorLinuxJones: There are too many dependencies to remove gcc3.402:43
jdubKeybuk: this one will be a tv ;-)02:43
LinuxJonesmenator, you can install more than 1 version02:43
jdubKeybuk: unfortunately, my firewall is a mipsel, and i have three sparcs02:43
KeybukI build my Debian packages in a chroot anyway these days, so doesn't really matter02:43
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Keybukjdub: never bothered with them, I just debootstrap'd a chroot to work in02:44
danielsjdub: if you bring the x300 down, I can set sbuild up on it02:44
menatorLinuxJones: Yeah, just figured that out....I'm new to debian, came from gentoo.02:44
jdubKeybuk: ahr02:44
jdubdaniels: ahr!02:44
jdubhey dudes02:44
danielsjdub: represent02:44
LinuxJonesmenator, welcome aboard :)02:44
menatorLinuxJones: There we go, thx.02:44
danielsjdub: wie gehts?02:44
LinuxJonesmenator, :D02:44
jdubwho can guess how many subscribers are on ubuntu-users?02:44
jdubdaniels: gut, ja.02:44
danielsjdub: >1k?02:45
jdubdaniels: no02:45
joemhave to be a lot, its very high traffic02:45
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TresnarMepisBelle: Just tell at me before you begin the fun. I'm gonna do idling a bit, but don't want to miss anything ;P02:45
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tsenga jdub spanking.02:46
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GmanAFKjdub's mum02:46
danielsDING DING DING!02:46
xustutseng   how do you suggest i go about getting NetworkManager installed      cvs  make  make install ?02:46
Clintthat answers that question02:46
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tsengxustu: no idea.02:46
jdubthe -announce list is > 100002:46
danielsjdub: what do I win, bob?02:46
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jgeorgesonhow do i get an nss lib for wins resolution?02:47
danielstseng: don't we all?02:47
tsengif they made a stuffed version02:47
tsengid be all over that.02:47
Clintjgeorgeson: does winbind do it?02:47
danielstseng: or if they made a vinyl doll with real bling, like Snoop02:47
danielsanyway, gotta run02:47
rev_trancejust installed ubuntu. i like it, ordered 20 cds to pass out to my team at work02:47
tsengwith the huge headphones02:47
tsengpimp deluxe02:47
jgeorgesonClint: guess I'll have to check02:47
jdub This package provides the winbindd daemon, which provides a02:48
jdub service for the Name Service Switch capability that is present02:48
jdub in most modern C libraries (like the GNU C Library - glibc.)02:48
Clintyeah, but does it do wins?02:48
jgeorgesonjdub: Clint: it is a WINS server for linux, I believe. some distributions package wins name resolution with winbind, some don't02:49
|trey|Clint: samba does that... man nmbd after you install it...02:49
Clint|trey|: read the original question02:49
|trey|Clint: I would, but I don't see it  :/02:50
jgeorgesonyeah, it's in winbind (/usr/lib/libnss_wins.so)02:50
Clint|trey|: <jgeorgeson> how do i get an nss lib for wins resolution?02:50
LinuxJonesjdub, why is there no donations link on the website ?02:52
LinuxJonesjdub, or maybe I am blind02:52
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pyramid|trey|, why do you say that no one like gentoo...they have gobs of patches for each tarball that you download....i don't know why they don't just put the patches in the tarball to begin with02:54
Keybukpyramid: "pristine source"02:54
|trey|pyramid: I didn't say no one liked it, I said no one here cares  :/02:55
pyramidKeybuk, yes but if the tarball needs all those patches every time...why don't they just make a clean tarball02:55
rev_tranceyeah, if there was a donations link on the front page, i'd donate.02:55
|trey|pyramid: mainly because its off topic...02:55
LinuxJonesrev_trance, it's a first for an OSS project that I know of :D02:55
Keybukpyramid: it means you can download the tarball from elsewhere if the ftp site's down, means you can pick & choose which patches you actually want and also gets around some software's "modifications only distributable as patches" clauses02:55
pyramid|trey|, oh ok ..i think i understand you prefer not to be on that topic02:55
stevedeo* jdub spanks stevedeo 02:56
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|trey|pyramid: I have used Gentoo before... needless to say it wasn't my ideal distro... this is #ubuntu though  :/02:56
KeybukLinuxJones: IANAL but I'm not entirely sure we could; Canonical's a for-profit company, so I imagine we'd be heavily taxed for accepting such donations.02:57
KeybukI really don't have a clue though, and am just guessing there02:57
hazmat|trey|, all the distros patch heavily02:57
Keybukbuy a book from the links on the side :o)02:57
pyramid|trey|, well my only beef is all those patches you have to download with each tarball and you don't even know what all the patches are doing02:57
hazmat|trey|, every source i've gotten from ubuntu comes w/ pristine tar and patches02:57
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|trey|hazmat: that wasn't my argument, nor did I comment on that...02:57
subterrificKeybuk: the dontations could go into a fund for paying out bounties only02:57
LinuxJonesKeybuk, your probably right. It would be nice to help out with a bit of cash for you guys02:58
subterrificor something...02:58
hazmat|trey|, its completely ot though, i agree..02:58
Keybukpyramid: it's a fairly standard way.  both src.rpm and the debian source format use pristine tarballs and patches as well02:58
Keybuksubterrific: I can certainly raise it02:58
pyramidKeybuk, where do they get all those patches and why are they necessary02:58
menatorIs there a custom respository for madwifi or ndiswrapper drivers?02:58
Keybukpyramid: fixing bugs upstream haven't fixed yet, local/distro policy and configuration, etc.02:58
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smoI'd presume karma payments for those pressed CDs would most likely be legal .. and would help with the feel-good factor02:59
hazmator in some cases the upstream won't take them because they've got issues..02:59
rev_trancei'd like to put certain app launchers on the panel for all users (like my dialup button) what would be the easiest way to do so?02:59
pyramidKeybuk, well my point is why are all those patches necessary for each tarball...sometimes over a hundred patches are applied to just one tarball...what are they doing and why doesn't the tarball work as it is supposed to.03:00
danc3hello all, just booted Ubuntu for the first time, and I like it (I'm not a newcomer to Linux).  One question:  during the install, it never asked me to set the root password, and now how can I "su" to root in a terminal?  Is there a default root password?03:00
|trey|rev_trance: I believe you can put them in /etc/skel and have them apply to all users... man skel to be sure...03:00
|trey|eh, nm03:00
joemdanc3, read the faq03:00
Serenity^sudo - centric distro, heh03:00
danc3umm, ok03:00
joemin the topic03:00
|trey|but yeah, thats supposedly /etc/skel's task  :/03:00
asdf_46danc3, sudo with the pass you put in for your user.03:00
danc3asdf_46: thanks03:01
idaho45|trey| also slackware dont patch 03:01
|trey|idaho45: I don't care, bother whoever brought that up!03:01
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=== |trey| thinks the only topic worse then Gentoo is Slack!
pyramidwell i am just saying that all those vodoo patches for each tarball is a real mystery03:02
|trey|At least Gentoo has some value added features!03:02
menatoranyone in here use an atheros based wireless card?03:02
Keybukpyramid: one common example would be that the tarball came from (e.g.) Solaris originally, and installs things like architecture dependant and independant files in different places to Linux standard;  the patch would modify the tarball to place things in the right place03:02
Keybukthat's the kind of patch that's hard to get upstream if upstream use Solaris03:02
pyramidKeybuk, well that makes sense.03:02
Keybukanother patch could fix a bug, it could take upstream weeks or months to actually include it, but you need it fixed today03:03
Keybukhell, sometimes upstream disagree it's even a bug in the first place and you diverge for ever (Debian's libtool packages include a patch that upstream have refused, for example)03:04
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smoAn interesting move may be to find a package you use often enough to be familiar with .. "apt-get source package", and check the comments in each patch included to see what it does.  You'll start to get a feel for why we actually have package maintainers03:04
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xustufresh install and rhythmbox claims no element present to handle mime type audio/mpeg03:06
Keybukin fact, somewhere in the compost heap I call a "TODO list" there's an entry about improving the dpkg source format to allow better separation of patches than hiding them in the single huge .diff.gz we have today03:06
|trey|xustu: check to make sure gstreamer0.8-mad is installed.03:06
xustuok  03:06
xustui heart you guys03:07
TdC_WTFthink by next release ubuntu will have the NDIS/Broadcom drives being distributed with the iso? I read they were working on it in the WiKi03:07
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jgeorgesonanyone know what the deal with msttcorefonts is? it says it's referenced but not available. it's in the contrib in debian, right?03:08
|trey|jgeorgeson: thats in non-free afaik... add a deb repo without 'main'...03:08
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Keybuk|trey|: contrib, it's a downloader rather than a deb that actually contains the fonts03:09
|trey|jgeorgeson: so 'deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian testing contrib non-free' for instance..03:09
|trey|Keybuk: makes sense, sorry03:09
jgeorgesonKeybuk, |trey|: so, what's the suggestion to get it in ubuntu? download the .eb and install with dpkg?03:10
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|trey|jgeorgeson: nah, add what I just said to your sources.list and install as normal03:10
byroncI just installed ubuntu for the first time and I'm seeing something weird that I can't find any information about.03:10
|trey|(after and update of course)03:10
jgeorgeson|trey|, cool, I'll check it out03:10
Keybukthere shouldn't be any/much overlap between Ubuntu main+universe and Debian contrib+non-free, so it might work ... but I'd comment/remove the lines again afterwards03:11
byroncWhen I login using gdm I get another mouse cursor in X and it's just the standard/ugly X03:11
|trey|byronc: and we have even less info then you, yay03:11
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Keybukbyronc: laptop with external mouse and touchpad / nipple and touchpad / etc. ?03:11
|trey|Keybuk: good point... I have been keeping them uncommented though, and have seen no probs  :/03:11
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byronclaptop with just a touchpad03:11
|trey|Keybuk: perhaps those things should also go into universe to make such things less risky?03:12
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Keybuk|trey|: there's going to be some more stuff like that going into universe or a new component at some point03:12
byroncThe extra cursor reappears if I change to another vt and then back to X also03:12
|trey|Keybuk: universe seems like its going to be very useful... shame these things aren't in effect already  :(  I'd rather get everything I want/need from an ubuntu mirror, but thats easier said then done right now  :(03:13
Keybukbyronc: does it go away if you log in, and does it move with your mouse cursor ?03:14
byroncKeybuk: It only goes away if I move a window, and it never moves with the mouse.03:14
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Python2121i am also having an x problem03:14
Keybuk|trey|: heh, Ubuntu's still pre-release remember; not everything's finished yet :)03:14
|trey|byronc: what kinda touchpad is it?03:14
Python2121which no one has been able to give me insite to how to fix, i thought i would ask here03:15
byroncKeybuk: I tried removing the other mouse entry in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, but no luck03:15
byronc|trey|: I think it's a synaptics03:15
rev_tranceKeybuk: you mean theres non-pre-release linux software?03:15
Tresnar|trey|: Slashdot troubles?03:15
|trey|Keybuk: I know, I have been attempting patients... its not my best suit though  :(03:15
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byronc|trey|: at least it works with that driver.03:15
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Python2121when i boot up, it boots gdm, and then when it starts to load gnome it stopps when that square window witht he progress of booting gnome comes up03:15
|trey|byronc: ahh... apt-cache search synaptics03:15
Python2121nothing happens, i just get that square screen03:15
|trey|bah nm03:15
byronc|trey|: xfree86-driver-synaptics is already installed and the latest version03:16
Python2121if i boot into failsafe terminal and type gnome-session it just loads that window and stopps, first it says something about /dev/something here missing and then cannot start esound03:16
Python2121and jsut stopps03:17
jgeorgesonhow do I permanently configure ssid/wep settings?03:17
|trey|byronc: I think there is a kernel driver that is needed and a gnome applet that might be useful too... I dunno, set it up for my instuctor when I had him try Debian, but I don't recall what I did exactly...03:17
Python2121does anyone have any insite on my problem?03:18
jgeorgesonPython2121: can you paste the message when you did the failsafe?03:18
Python2121let me reboot into linux03:18
Python2121ill be back in 2 minutes03:18
byronc|trey|: The weird thing is that the touchpad works fine and one cursor follows it, it's just got the other cursor sitting in the middle of the screen that won't go away03:18
jgeorgesonjust the one relevant line03:18
|trey|Python2121: do you ever see panels etc?  did you click on the splash? it should go when you do...03:18
Python2121nothing happens whne i click on the spash03:19
|trey|byronc: thats wierd, I don't even recall seeing that  :/03:19
Python2121hold on lemme boot into ubuntu03:19
|trey|I remember thinking "wow" cuz I thought touchpads would be difficult to configure in Debian  :/03:19
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Python2121hey guys um after installing it three times and trying everything for some unknown reason when i ask you it boots up with no problems03:23
|trey|umm, yay?  :/03:23
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Python2121so sorry03:24
Python2121for wasting a bit of time03:24
jgeorgesonPython2121: np03:25
Python2121wow now that im into it i really like ubuntu03:25
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digerati_I'm thinking about beginning to use ubuntu. I have a few questions though.03:26
xustuso whats the projected release date?03:26
digerati_I'm assuming it uses apt-get as a package manager?03:26
xustuor aptitude03:27
jgeorgesonso anyone know how to persistently configure ssid/wep settings on a wifi interface?03:27
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jgeorgesondigerati_: synaptic is the default gui frontend, accessible from the menus03:27
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digerati_jgeorgeson - I see. Are the packages it gets compiled from source, or are they binary?03:28
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jgeorgesondigerati_: not sure i understand what you're asking, do you mean like gentoo is installed from source?03:28
digerati_jgeorgeson Aye.03:29
jgeorgesondigerati_: no03:29
TdC_VgAwireless_channel 803:29
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digerati_jgeorgeson - Could you possibly name some of the differences I might encounter between gentoo and ubuntu?03:29
TdC_VgAis that correct setting for /etc/network/interfaces?03:29
jgeorgesondigerati_: never used gentoo. ubuntu is based on debian, only it is much nicer03:30
jgeorgesondigerati_: by nicer, i mean there is much less maunal configuration to do03:30
digerati_jgeorgeson I have only seen Ubuntu with Gnome as the WM. Is it possible to use *box?03:30
jgeorgesondigerati_: probably, I see fluxbox listed03:32
WWBugzilla experts: I would like to stop getting email about a bug that I reported.  Is that possible?03:32
digerati_jgeorgeson - D'you know how easy it would be to get my dlink card working?03:32
jgeorgesonWW: if you're email is listed in the CC list box, you might be able to remove yourself by selecting your email from that list, and checking the Remove checkbox03:33
digerati_jgeorgeson - Would I still have to build the acx100 drivers (or is there native support)?03:33
jgeorgesondigerati_: no idea. you could check on #debian-boot to see if the installer supports that NIC03:34
WWjgeorgeson: I'm not in the cc list.  It appears that it always sends email to the reporter.03:34
LinuxJonesdigerati_, that module is available03:34
jgeorgesondigerati_: if the installer does, than the installed system will to. if not, the installed system still might03:34
digerati_LinuxJones Awesome.03:34
danbotAnybody here use AMD64 Ubuntu?03:35
jgeorgesonWW: maybe you could post a comment asking for the reporter field to be changed03:35
WWjgeorgeson: Yup, something like that was my next step.  03:35
danbotBecause I just got an AMD64 and I would like to know other peoples experiences before I install it03:35
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jgeorgesonso if i'm going to add a marillat repo, do i add the testing one?03:37
digerati_jgeorgeson - what version of Xorg does Ubuntu use?03:37
digerati_and is it possible to upgrade03:37
ioslipstreamis there a FAQ somewhere for .wmv or .rm video playback in ubuntu?03:37
whiprushjgeorgeson: I'm using the unstable one with no problem03:37
jgeorgesondigerati_: it uses xfree86 for no, next release should be changing to xorg03:37
digerati_ioslipstream - use mplayer?03:37
digerati_jgeorgeson - Ah.03:37
danbotI believe mPlayer does WMV03:37
digerati_Indeed it does03:38
jgeorgesondanbot: so does totem-xine with the mplayer codecs03:38
Charon79mI'm trying to compile a new kernel with support for my Lucent WinModem.  Anyone have time/knowlege to assist?03:38
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danbotI believe so but I would advise that you check the faqs for xine and totem to make sure03:39
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ioslipstreamyeah, i grabbed the codecs, or so i though... totem will play, but the sound is messed up and the video is choppy03:39
ioslipstreamis there a certain set of codecs i should get?03:39
danbotTotem is my fav. video player03:39
ioslipstreammplayer plays the video with good sound, but choppy video03:39
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digerati_The only thing that prevents me from moving to Ubuntu asap, is 1) school tomorrow, and 2) 8 gigs of MP3s03:40
jgeorgesoni download the qt, wmv, and rp codecs from http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/codecs.html03:40
danbotI have tomorrow off from school :)03:40
ioslipstreamdigerati_: why do the mp3's stop you from moving?03:40
jgeorgesoninstall them in /usr/lib/win3203:40
digerati_ioslipstream - A really slow cd burner ;)03:40
Charon79mLooking to compile a kernel with support for my Lucent WinModem.  I've got insturctions, but no experience with this.  Anyone willing to assist?03:40
ioslipstreamdigerati_: ahh, heh03:40
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jgeorgesondigerati_: you can access them as a network share, or mounted vfat or ntfs if it is a local drive03:41
LinuxJonesnight all sleepy time03:42
lemisthas anyone else had a problem with the installer locking up after the first hardware detection?  I just tried the cd in another computer and it installed perfectly.  The one its locking up on is an old Gateway, any ideas?03:42
digerati_jgeorgeson It is a local drive :) A local drive that will be formatted.03:42
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Charon79mI'm trying to compile a new kernel with support for my Lucent WinModem.  Anyone have time/knowlege to assist?03:44
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pyramidlemist, this is the problem i was referring to earlier...it seems that the only distros we can make are debian based and they don't work on all hardware....gentoo refuses to give proper documentation on catalyst and how to use it to make a competing distro.03:45
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tsengI can use catalyst just fine03:45
joemsame here03:45
t35t0ranyone using amd64 i've made #ubuntu-amd6403:46
joemand there is documentation on it03:46
Kosait35t0r: What's the point?03:46
pyramidtseng, where did you get the documentation on part2 of catalyst and how to combine it with squashfs,mkisofs,chroot,pivot_root, etc...to make a competing distro03:46
t35t0rbecause not everything works on amd6403:46
t35t0ras on x8603:46
jh|workdoes ubuntu 64 have multilib support?03:47
pyramidtseng, i have been watching the docs for a long time and each time it says documentation will be written later.03:47
tsengpyramid: see #gentoo-releng for that03:47
tsengyoure way off here03:47
pyramidtseng, i don't think we are way off...making distros is very very important03:48
Charon79mDoes anyone have any experience with compiling additional driver support into the kernel?03:48
tsengpyramid: #gentoo-releng is about making the distro. youre in the wrong stop complaining to the wrong people03:48
TdC_VgAhow do i tell if a module is loaded correctly?03:48
TdC_VgAi added it to /etc/modules, but can i tell if it's loaded?03:49
joemlsmod |grep module name03:49
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pyramidtseng, i am not complaining..i am just stating a fact...i have no emotions about it whatsoever.03:49
FX|LaptopIs anyone else having trouble with gcc+03:49
TdC_VgAugh, i think this NDIS driver is fried..03:49
Charon79mI have an Armada E500 with a Lucent WinModem integrated.03:50
TdC_VgAit shows a 100% signal with the wifi radio disabled.. heh03:50
pyramidtseng, the fact is that debian lets everybody make debian based distros...but gentoo has yet to do this03:50
tsengpyramid, debian has a 10 year head start03:50
Charon79mI could be wrong, but isn't Gentoo a debian distro that compiles itself to your system?03:51
tsengnow get back on topic please03:51
t35t0rCharon79m, far from it03:51
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pyramidCharon79m, no gentoo is not debian based...debian is critically dependent on isolinux...but gentoo does not use this approach03:51
WWFX|Laptop: What do you mean by "trouble"?03:51
FX|LaptopWell I tried to compile a theme and I get a gcc+ instanity error.03:52
pyramidCharon79m, look carefully at the file structure on a gentoo live cd and a debian live cd or knoppix live cd and you will see what i mean03:52
subterrificFX|Laptop: install build-essentials03:52
FX|Laptopah.. ok03:52
lemistpyramid, isn't catalyst an ati driver?03:52
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pyramidlemist, yes and no....i am referring to the secret stuff that gentoo uses to make live bootable distros03:53
TdC_VgAyeah this NDIS stuff definitely not working heh03:53
TdC_VgAkeeps showing 100% when theres no radio on03:53
FX|LaptopE: Couldn't find package build-essentials03:53
lemistwhy would catalyst affect installations on old old gateways?03:53
TheConArtisthow much has this channel increasesd since the slashdot article?03:53
jgeorgesonpyramid: what's wrong with what mepis and knoppix se?03:53
WWFX|Laptop: build-essential03:54
pyramidlemist, because gentoo is not tied to isolinux03:54
jgeorgesonTheConArtist: I'm here because of it03:54
TheConArtistsame :p03:54
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TheConArtisti bet he is03:54
pengome too03:54
FX|LaptopThat works, thanks ww03:54
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hiroany ubuntu developers around?03:55
FX|LaptopIs there a way of getting away of installing the cd when installing some apps?03:55
WWFX|Laptop: Say again?03:55
pyramidi did look into #gentoo-releng but no one says anything there03:55
jgeorgesonFX|Laptop: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list, comment out the cd line, uncomment the http one(s)03:56
FX|LaptopWell it asked me to install the Ubuntu cd in order to install the app03:56
FX|LaptopOk thanks jgeorgeson03:56
jgeorgesonFX|Laptop: if you only want the ubuntu stuff, uncomment the ones without universe. if you want a bunch of non-ubuntu stuff, uncomment the ones with universe03:56
FX|Laptopyea I already have that done.03:57
WWFX|Laptop: What jgeorgeson said; or Settings->Repositories in Syaptic03:57
jgeorgesonWW: yeah, that's much simpler03:57
pengoi've read a bit about ubuntu.. lwn and slashdot.. but apart from talk of who's working on it, i'm yet to see a list of features.. what's actually different ?03:57
q2Whats a good windowz emulator?????03:58
FX|Laptopok thanks WW03:58
jgeorgesonnot wine03:58
Charon79mNeeding help with compiling support for my modem in the kernel.  Anyone willing to help?03:58
pyramidpengo, well ubuntu and dragonflybsd are trying to get things up to date03:58
idaho45seems ubuntu = debian sid + security patches03:59
jgeorgesonCharon79m, is it a module you need to download 3rd party source from to compile against the kernel source?03:59
LeeColletonso when I click on a mailto: link in firefox, I get nothing.  Is this a feature?03:59
pyramidwell ubuntu is tied to debian as is knoppix,slackware,damn small linux,etc...because gentoo won't release critical information03:59
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joempyramid, let it go already or go somewhere else with it...and plenty of people have figure out how to use catalyst fine04:00
FX|LaptopThanks for the help guys. One last question is anyone else having trouble with xmms?04:00
jgeorgesonFX|Laptop: be more specific04:01
pyramidjoem, i don't think they have learned how to use catalyst...i don't see that many competing distros04:01
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digerati_Woot @ Just got 17" LCD :)04:01
FX|Laptoplibmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory04:01
FX|LaptopInconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!04:01
joemmaybe because it takes more to create a distro then knowing how to use a live cd tool..04:01
jgeorgesonpyramid: maybe nobody actually wants to build a competing distro on top of gentoo04:01
FX|Laptopeeeeeeeeeeek sorry!!!!04:01
hirohey, is there actually a recommended way to compile a custom kernel?04:01
pyramidjgeorgeson, well i certainly do... i would like to build a hurd approach04:02
Charon79mjgeorgenson, That is correct.04:02
jgeorgesonpyramid: did you look at the places everyone else already mentioned for catalyst documentation?04:02
Charon79mjgeorgenson, I have the instruction; however, I'm a little lost...04:02
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pyramidjgeorgeson, yes i went to the url and nothing but garbage is there...no secrets on how to tie mkisofs,isolinux,squashfs,kudzu,etc...all together to make a competing distro.04:03
jgeorgesonCharon79m, the kernel source in ubuntu is the package named linux-source, install that, and then when your 3rd party driver asks where the kernel source is, point it to whereever linux-source goes04:03
jgeorgesonpyramid: then but the person who put those docs up04:03
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jgeorgesoner, but => bug04:03
pyramidjgeorgeson, all they put up is misleading garbage04:04
Charon79mjgeorgeson, thanks.  I'll give it a shot.04:04
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joempyramid, if you can't figure it out, nobody wants to use anything you are in charge of anyways04:04
jgeorgesonpyramid: sorry if that sounded curt, but i'm tired of seeing this off-topic argument04:04
pyramidjoem, that is your opinion....several people around here want to see these 30gigs of binaries go to work...but i need to make a distro for them.04:05
WWFX|Laptop: Sounds similar to this: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=53504:05
joempyramid, then start a chan for it, but don't flood this chan with issues you have about it04:06
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pyramidjoem, well that would seem to be a fair statement...i have to respect that statement..it is not derogatory but rather unambiguously postulated04:06
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FX|LaptopI looked for that bug report last night and couldn't find it. Although it was my first time looking at any "bugzilla" site. Thanks.04:08
Se7ha simple syntax do burn a iso image?04:10
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zephyrhmm.. how do i enable mp3 encoding in soundjuicer?04:11
ioslipstreamyou need the gst-lame plugin04:11
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jgeorgesoniosplipstream: how do i enable song title info from streams in rhythmbox?04:12
ioslipstreamjgeorgeson: i wish i knew, that is bugging me... no pun intended04:12
jgeorgesoniosplipstream: it works in xmms04:13
LeeColletonHow do I configure Firefox to start a new message with Evolution via mailto: ? 04:13
ioslipstreamyeah, i know, but xmms handles that stuff through its mp3 decoder i believe04:13
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jgeorgesonLeeColleton: if you go to Computer->Desktop Preferences->Preferred Applications, is evolution listed as the default mail app?04:14
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zephyrhmm.. i guess theres no gst-lame for ppc04:15
WWSe7h: This doesn't really answer your question, but using Nautilus worked for me. Right-click on the file, select Write to Disc...04:16
LeeColletonjgeorgeson: yes, but it's set to "Custom mail reader" : evolution-1.6 %s04:16
LeeColletonI haven't twiddled this option yet.04:17
ioslipstreamzephyr: there isn't for x86 either, you have to get it from an alternate repository if you really want it04:17
LeeColletonI mean evolution-2.0, not 1.604:17
Se7hWW is it able to burn a iso image?04:17
jgeorgesonLeeCollection: k, i was really confused there04:17
WWSe7h: Yes04:17
zephyrioslipstream, where is this alternate rep?04:17
ioslipstreamSe7h: you can burn iso images with nautilus04:17
Se7hthough it couldn't04:18
ioslipstreamzephyr: not sure... i haven't done it yet... but i'm sure a google might point you in the right direction... or someone in here might know04:18
jgeorgesonLeeCollection: any request to open a mailto: link should launch that then, what happens if you type 'mailto:bob@bob.com' into the Run Application dialog? 04:18
jgeorgeson(Applications->Run Application)04:18
ioslipstreamzephyr: i think the debian unstable repositories have it though04:19
LeeColletonjgeorgeson: I switched it to "Select a mail reader" : Evolution Mail Reader and now it works04:19
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jgeorgesonLeeCollection, interesting. on a related note, it would be nice if the mozilla-thunderbird package added itself to that list04:19
ioslipstreamzephyr: just make sure you disable them after getting the plugin04:19
LeeColletonjgeorgeson: I've had my name mangled worse than that, but you can just do Lee<TAB> and it will auto complete04:19
jgeorgesonLeeColleton, sorry, and thanks for the tip04:20
Se7hwhere in hell is gftp ?04:20
Se7hlast install it was here...04:20
digerati_'updatedb' 'locate gftp'04:21
LeeColletonSe7h: Applications > Internet04:21
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LeeColletonor <ALT>+<F2> gftp <ENTER>04:21
jgeorgesonSe7h: dpkg -l gftp04:21
Se7hLeeColleton that i know04:21
Se7hbut its not on the menu04:21
Se7heither by command04:21
Se7hNo packages found matching gftp.04:21
Se7hwell....apt-get then04:22
nodaAdd universe to your sources.list04:22
nodaOh, it's not in universe :)04:22
nodaapt-get install gftp-gtk04:23
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jgeorgesonnoda, sudo apt-get ...04:23
tdc_vga1anyone have gdesklets working?04:23
nodaRight, sudo apt-get... :)04:23
tdc_vga1i can launch a gdesklet, but it sure doesnt show up heh04:24
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Se7hthis ubuntu install went bad i guess04:24
Se7hso many libs missing...04:24
nodaSe7h: You mean your desktop doesn't start up?04:24
tdc_vga1i had to type gdesklets04:24
Se7hnoda no that is ok04:24
tdc_vga1then like 90 of them just popped up.. insteresting04:24
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larryahi.  silly question but init 3 doesn't seem to cause a run level change.04:27
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jgeorgesoni don't see a file association preference applet (to configure MIME types), and k3b didn't give itself a menu entry04:27
larryais there a trick to change run levels in ubuntu?04:27
zephyrnope.. no gst-lame in unstable either04:27
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tdc_vga1any reason you dont use the normal firefox icon?04:28
DarkniteHey I have a wuestion04:28
Darknitequestion even04:28
Darknitehow do you enable sshd on ubuntu04:28
nodasudo apt-get install openssh-server04:28
Darknitethanks noda04:29
zephyrwell this is a bitch.. i wanna rip music for my portable mp3 player.. ogg aint gonna work..hehe04:29
joemzephyr, find an rpm and usa alien04:29
Darknitezephyr i bet if you look at normal debian sources you might find something to help you04:29
nodaRPM? Erm. Why not just use a .deb?04:30
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TheMonoTonenautilus samba browsing is slow04:30
TheMonoToneis there another good app for smb browsing?04:30
nodaTheMonoTone: But copying files is *fast* :)04:30
nodaTheMonoTone: gnome-terminal, using smbmount :)04:30
TheMonoTonenoda, sounds good to me04:30
nodacopying files with Nautilus is way faster than with Windows :)04:30
nodaHrm. It's not slow for me...04:31
Darknitebtw I am a linux unix admin and a long time gentoo and redhat user. I have to tell you that this is one awesome distro. I just installed it on my kids computer04:31
nodaI just connected to my other computer using Samba, and it's lightning fast. Might as well be the same computer04:31
TheMonoTonewhich of the little samba utils lets you "view" the shares on a computer04:32
TheMonoToneits not net is it?04:32
nodaDarknite: I know eh? :) It's the distro to end all distros04:32
absurdheroTheMonoTone: nautilus :p04:32
DarkniteSweet easy install04:32
nodaTheMonoTone: Computer -> Network -> Windows Network -> [computer] 04:32
DarkniteI had a 11 yo do it04:32
TheMonoToneabsurdhero, nautilus just sits there04:32
nodaErm, with the workgroup in there too, of course04:32
absurdherowell thats not good04:32
TheMonoToneit chugs away04:32
TheMonoToneor it'll fine my workgroup04:32
TheMonoTonebut when I try to browse it04:33
TheMonoToneit gives me some error04:33
nodaTheMonoTone: Other way is Ctrl-L -> smb://[IP address] 04:33
nodaTheMonoTone: What's the error?04:33
TheMonoToneI'll tell you in a couple of minutes04:33
TheMonoTonewaiting for nautilus to load the windows network04:33
TheMonoTonethen the workgroup04:33
TheMonoTonethen I'll know again :-)04:33
TheMonoToneoh wait!04:33
TheMonoToneit works now04:33
nodaI gotta say, Ubuntu is the first distro to get samba *right* for me. I haven't had any problems with it at all :)04:33
TheMonoToneI don't get it, but alright :-)04:34
Darkniteone more thing how do I enable the ntp client 04:34
nodaDarknite: sudo apt-get install ntpdate (I think)04:34
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nodaOh. Nope :)04:34
TheMonoToneoh shite! this is sweet now that it works04:34
TheMonoTonea little slow though04:34
Darkniteok and I assume that it uses the redhat style scripts to make them start at boot04:35
nodaDarknite: Red Hat didn't invent init scripts...04:35
TheMonoTonethat was a at&t thing I believe04:35
nodaDarknite: Anyway, ntpdate runs at boot time to synchronize your clock. I dunno what that thing in "Time and date settings" is for04:36
noda'cuz it doesn't do anything...04:36
Darknitenoda you are correct about redhat not inventing init scripts04:36
TheMonoTonegnome needs to implement a "close all" if they want nautilus to work in spacial mode like this04:37
Darknitestill difrent than rc-update add <service> default04:37
Darknitein gentoo04:37
TheMonoToneDarknite, whatever man, this distro blows anything else out of the water for me personally04:37
nodaTheMonoTone: Ctrl-Shift-W04:38
TheMonoTonethanks noda, your a helpful fellow :-)04:38
nodaTheMonoTone: Also, hold down shift while double-clicking something to hide the current window while opening the new one04:38
DarkniteI agree but like I said I have been using gentoo for almost 4 years now04:38
nodaTheMonoTone: Ctrl-Shift-W actually doesn't close the *current* window... just all the ones underneath04:38
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TheMonoToneworks for me04:38
nodaDarknite: In Debian (and Ubuntu I assume) you have to use update-rc.d. It has a funky syntax.04:38
joemmiddle mouse button will close the previous window when opening a new one04:38
Darknitethanks noda04:39
joem1 or 2 clicks depending on the behavior settings04:39
jgeorgesonTheMonoTone, noda: when I try to browse another machine on my lan (smb://) it says i don't have permission04:39
nodajgeorgeson: That means you don't have permission :)04:39
jgeorgesonodd since i already manually mounted a share from the command line04:39
nodajgeorgeson: Is the other machine Windows XP?04:39
jgeorgesonnoda: 2k, and my username is the same04:39
TheMonoTonejgeorgeson, nautilus acts funky for me sometimes when trying to browse04:39
nodaTheMonoTone: What's it do?04:40
TheMonoToneI already told you, sometimes it stalls like crazy04:40
TheMonoToneand then gives me some bs about how it can't find anything in the workgroup04:40
TheMonoTonebut if I do net lookup whatever, I get an ip04:40
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TheMonoToneI dunno, it still needs a little work, but its on its way04:40
nodaAh, I figured out the time thing. Run: sudo apt-get install ntp-simple04:41
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nodaTheMonoTone: Heh. I've seen Windows XP stall like crazy too :)04:41
TheMonoTonenoda, true :-)04:41
nodaEveryone should just use WebDAV and... erm... whatever that Rendezvous technology is called :)04:41
nodaThat's how we'll share in GNOME 2.10 :)04:41
nodaSame as Mac :)04:42
laanderwhat is the best way to install the nvidia drivers?  the nvidia installer gives a warning when running the installer in run level 1, but X is running in all other run levels.04:42
TheMonoTonethe whole lanman/smb protocol blows until you get in to the absolute newest versions with ad running (then you have a db and dns of boxen)04:42
TheMonoToneeven then...04:42
jgeorgesonnoda, i can't even browse this machine (just restarted samba, so i know it's running)04:42
nodalaander: Switch to the normal runlevel, and then "/etc/init.d/gdm stop"04:42
TheMonoTonejgeorgeson, trying going in console and doing net lookup boxname04:42
TheMonoToneand then trying again, that seemed to spark life in to the browsing for me04:43
jgeorgesonTheMonoTone, no luck04:43
nodajgeorgeson: Open up a Nautilus window, hit Ctrl-L and type "smb://"04:44
jgeorgesonTheMonoTone, no big deal though, i haven't found a single app than can launch a file from the smb:// listing04:44
jgeorgesonnoda, no error that way, but it doesn't list anything either. i'm looking at my smb.conf as i expected to see my home dir04:45
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nodajgeorgeson: That's where my expertise ends. I loathe smb.conf. I wish it would disappear entirely from every computer at the same time, so they'd write something useable :)04:45
lemistdid anyone figure out why the ubuntu install could lock up on an old gateway?  i walked away from irc for about an hour so I missed any messages04:46
jgeorgesonsystem-config-samba on fedora is pretty functional04:46
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nodajgeorgeson: Try getting Samba to play nice with Active Directory. Took me an entire morning, and at the end it was just like 2 lines of configuration that I had to change :P04:47
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nodaPretty cool though. Samba has a better SMB implementation than Windows :)04:47
Darknitehave you done speed tests on that04:48
jgeorgesonnoda, yeah, but windows uses CIFS these days, which is better than SMB i thought04:48
DarkniteI have it is over twice as fast04:48
nodaDarknite: Not actual benchmarks, but copying many small files from Windows to Windows is around half the speed of Samba to Samba04:48
Darknitewe did at the office about a year ago04:48
Darknitesamba is way faster04:48
Darknitethat is why our main file servers are linux04:49
nodajgeorgeson: I dunno, I like to live in a Windows-less world. Not at work now, don't need it :)04:49
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nodaDarknite: Ditto where I worked this summer :)04:49
topgun601ok im runnig ububtu warthog with the kernel verson 2.8 how do i get the kernel src? 04:50
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nodaNot as much the *speed* for us as... the fact that it saves license fees.04:50
Darknitenoda: the only reason I have windows around is games04:50
jgeorgesoni never saw an option for 'hardware clock uses GMT'. my clock is 5 hours slow04:50
nodatopgun601: There's no such thing as kernel 2.8.04:50
DarkniteI think he means 2.6.804:50
topgun601er 2.6.804:50
jgeorgesontopgun601: the package name is linux-source04:50
lemistmy install locks up after it runs the first hardware detection (where it says "Detecting hardware for cd-rom drives")04:50
lemisthave any of you seen this problem before?04:50
gumleefjust installed warty, are there debs for the kernel sources for the stock kernel?04:50
jgeorgesonlemist: can you access any of the other terminals to see if there is apertinent error message?04:51
nodatopgun601: sudo apt-get install kernel-source- but it doesn't seem to be there, there's only 2.6.7 for me :)04:51
crimsungumleef: not stock, but there are for ubuntu kernels. linux-source-
nodaOh, linux-source? That explains it :)04:51
lemistjgeorgeson: how would I do that? its just at a blank blue screen04:51
gumleefno, there isnt04:51
nodalemist: Do you see anything if you press Alt-F3?04:52
gumleeffor the kernel that comes with
jgeorgesonlemist: what noda said, f4 and f5 too04:52
nodagumleef: Why would you want a deb for the stock kernel? Just download the tarball.04:52
jgeorgesongumleef: linux-source is the kernel source package04:52
lemistnoda, jgeorgeson: nope, none of those do anything04:52
nodalemist: What about Ctrl-Alt-Sysreq-H? :P04:52
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lemistnoda: what's that do?04:53
topgun601ok trying that04:53
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DarkniteWell guys thanks for the help04:53
DarkniteI am going to get some sleep04:53
nodalemist: "Magic Sysreq" is a kernel hack which lets you do stuff even after Linux has crashed -- like sync the disk, kill all processes...04:53
danbotWhat is that one prog. that looks like the Mac OS dock?04:53
lemistnoda: nope, does nothing04:53
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nodalemist: I dunno, it seems like something that *may* be installed on a rescue kernel, and it's really a last resort :)04:54
lemistits still stuck on that blue screen04:54
nodalemist: Your hardware sucks :)04:54
nitinhas anyone got ATI radeon 9700 PRO working completly? (3d and all)04:54
nodadanbot: StartSomethingOrOther, a gdesklet04:54
lemisthaha, its a 99 gateway that I got from sold old folks down the street for fixing their computer :P04:54
jgeorgesonlemist: i would file a bug report in bugzilla, with a complete list of hardware installed, including firmware versions if you know them04:54
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gumleefi want kernel headers that match the currently runnig kernel so i can install vmware...04:54
gumleefthere is no package for that04:55
danbotthx noda04:55
gumleefit is _NOT_ on the cd04:55
WXim trying to install Ubuntu, but when it gets to install welcome page (country selection), my usb keyboard does not work04:55
nodagumleef: sudo apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r`04:55
WXis there a way to get it to work?04:55
jgeorgesongumleef: linux-headers04:55
digerati_Ubuntu torrent is smokin!04:55
lemistjgeorgeson:  Hm :\ alright04:55
gumleefnoda, does not work04:55
nitinhas anyone got ATI radeon 9700 PRO working completly? (3d and all)04:55
nodaWX: Yes, in your BIOS there should be a setting called "USB keyboard". It might be on, it might be off... switch it to whatever it isn't :)04:55
nitinanyone know how to get the ATI RADEON 9700 PRO working?04:56
nodagumleef: What do you mean, 'does not work?"04:56
WXnoda: no option in my Shuttle SN95G5 (looked really damn hard for it)04:56
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nodaWX: Strange. Tried unplugging and re-plugging?04:56
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WXi'll do that next04:56
nodaWX: Your best bet would be a temporary PS/2 keyboard, I suppose :)04:56
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gumleefnoda, no such package found04:57
nitinanyone know how to get the ATI RADEON 9700 PRO working? cmon someone has to have this card:)04:57
nodaWX: I use a Logitech wireless keyboard for my computer (nForce2 motherboard) and I've never had any problems whatsoever... on Debian, anyway04:57
topgun601nitin it's not fun trying to get my 9800 pro to work now04:57
jgeorgesongumleef: the package is named linux-headers04:57
WXnoda: Logitech MX Duo here04:57
noda(oh, except when I rmmodded usb-uhci)04:57
nodaOh, linux-headers. Damn, sorry :)04:57
nitinis ubuntu even considering getitng those cards wokring properly?04:57
noda(erm, uhci-hcd, that is...)04:57
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jgeorgesonnoda, that name keeps catching you04:58
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nodanitin: Have you read the FAQ entry?04:58
nodaI like the name change. Makes sense, since Debian supports like 3 kernels...04:58
HrdwrBoBubuntu can resize ext2 can't it04:58
gumleef'aptitude search linux-headers' does not show my current kernel, many others however04:58
toyowheelinnitin, its even more fun getting a 9800 woring on a 64bit computer 04:58
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nodagumleef: Have you tried just blindly typing "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`"? :)04:59
gumleefnoda, yes04:59
nodagumleef: After a "sudo apt-get update"?04:59
nodaDamn :)04:59
hirohaving a problem with synaptic, i enabled universe and now it shows no packages at all in synaptic04:59
nodagumleef: What *is* your kernel?04:59
WXim going to have to get a ps2 adapter to get it installed tomorrow04:59
nodaHrdwrBoB: Yes04:59
tom__Ubuntu is sweet, but I cannto get java installed04:59
gumleefuname -r:
nitinguys i really dont care aobut how fun it is, anyone mind giving me the proper procedure to get it up on my 32 bit computer:)?04:59
jgeorgesongumleef, have you disabled the cd apt source in favor of the http sources? if not i would recommend doing so05:00
nodahiro: Do a "refresh"05:00
hironoda: i did05:00
HrdwrBoByeah though so :D05:00
nodatom__: Apparently java-package will be in universe soon05:00
gumleefjgeorgeson, no05:00
nodanitin: Look at the wiki05:00
WXim just curious... anyone here dislike the name, ubuntu?05:00
tom__that would be nice05:00
digerati_what kernel version is packaged with ?the current ubuntu release 05:00
gumleefjgeorgeson, havent touched the apt configs05:00
nodaOr was it the FAQ...05:00
HrdwrBoBWX do you know what it means?05:00
WXHrdwrBoB: yes05:00
hironoda: it says 12730 packages at the bottom, but they don't show up05:00
WXim just curious05:01
nodaWX: I like the name, but it sounds a bit strange if you want to convince your boss to use it, I suppose05:01
WXthe way it sounds05:01
jgeorgesonit might not e on the cd, and apt-cache shows a linux-headers-, but not -205:01
nodaThen again, bosses go for "red hat" so maybe I'm just not used to it enough :)05:01
WXmy gf said... ew i don't want that... what a wierd name05:01
nodahiro: I dunno, I don't use that program :)05:01
HrdwrBoBmine said " don't touch my computer, it isn't currently broken!"05:01
nodaWX: Ask her if she'd prefer Red Hat :P05:01
hironoda: is there any way to search in aptitude?05:01
nodaHrdwrBoB: wofl05:02
nodaHrdwrBoB: *rofl05:02
nodahiro: I don't use aptitude either. apt-cache search [search terms] 05:02
encKe`if it aint broke....fix it till it is05:02
jgeorgesonnoda, i would imagine most bosses won't like ubuntu on a production system because you don't get the gauranteed life cycle 05:02
encKe`mine says05:02
WXshe thinks it's a cute name05:02
WXshe likes Novell Linux05:02
nitinnoda its not in the wiki05:02
nitincant find it at least05:02
WXand not SuSE by that05:02
topgun601wx suse?05:03
nodajgeorgeson: You do. You get 18 months support, guaranteed 6 month release cycle. That's pretty sweet05:03
HrdwrBoBhalf the boxes here are running debian unstable on production servers05:03
nodanitin: It's definitely either on the website or the wiki.05:03
jgeorgesonnoda, red hat enterprise is 5 years05:03
HrdwrBoBI daresay ubuntu is a significant improvement on that05:03
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thawhas anyone ordered the free cds from the ubuntu site?05:03
nodaHrdwrBoB: Well, I'm more comfortable with Debian unstable simply because it's a server and Ubuntu is undergoing very rapid development and Debian isn't :)05:03
nodajgeorgeson: That's nicer, I agree :)05:04
HrdwrBoBwell I will wait before installing it on a server05:04
HrdwrBoBbut I love it for desktops05:04
WXtopgun601: no the soon-to-come Novell Linux05:04
WXtopgun601: she used it at Linux World San Fran05:04
jgeorgesonnoda, didn't know ubuntu releases were 18 month support. i think that's better than fedora releases05:04
micXnoda, debian unstable is a server; debian unstable isn't undergoing rapid development. *boggle*05:04
nodajgeorgeson: Ubuntu is what Fedora was meant to be but never will be :)05:05
topgun601hope they it works05:05
topgun601er hope it works05:05
nodamicX: Yeah, I never said it makes *sense* but it's true :)05:05
nodamicX: Not compared to ubuntu, anyway05:05
HrdwrBoBmicX: well, debian isn't going through MAJOR development05:05
jgeorgesonsweet, only one hour left of downloading updates05:05
HrdwrBoBit's like .. same stuff only.. later versions05:05
nodamicX: Debian is currently going through a "freezing" cycle.05:05
nitinnoda mind showing me a link, no where to be found:)05:05
micXnoda, *currently*, yes, there is still substantial updates rolling through unstable.05:06
wm_eddieNovell linux 1 isn't going to be anything that great.  From what I've seen/read so far.05:06
jgeorgesonnitin, you're looking for an install guide?05:06
nodanitin: I'll find it :)05:06
topgun601i did a apt-get install of linux-source 05:07
topgun601when i run sh make.sh it dosenst find the source05:07
nodanitin: I'm *sure* I saw it the other day :)05:07
nitinjgergerson im looking for how to set up my ATI 9700 pro05:07
nitinwith 3d and all05:07
encKe`we are on a novell/winblows network @ work. Ive tried to install Novell client for Linux on Ubuntu but errored05:08
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topgun601just go to http://www.google.com/linux05:08
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atomskhow's ATI support on ubuntu? same as Debian unstable?05:08
nitinthats why im asking05:08
nodaatomsk: They've got proprietary drivers *on the CD*05:08
micXnoda, deb testing for a server - maybe. but not unstable. Well not if you enjoy a reliable server.05:08
nodaatomsk: But in general, ATI's linux support SUCKS05:08
laanderwhen trying to update the kernel headers i see the repository already has a later kernel than i have.05:08
laanderis it safe to update the kernel?05:08
nodalaander: Yes05:09
nodalaander: Just do an "apt-get dist-upgrade" whenever you like :)05:09
atomsknoda: works ok on Debian unstable.05:09
nodalaander: (only, don't blame me if it breaks :P)05:09
digerati_what kernel version is packaged with ?the current ubuntu release 05:09
jgeorgesonnoda, i thought kernels were excluded. that you manually say to install a kernel image, reboot, and remove the old one05:10
digerati_and how long does a normal ubuntu install take?05:10
nodadigerati_: 2.6.7 or, I forget05:10
nodadigerati_: Around an hour05:10
jgeorgesonat least when i tried pure debian, release versions didn't have a kernel version tied to them05:10
digerati_noda - on an athlon 2600?05:10
nitini got it done in 20 min05:10
laanderi show when doing a uname -a05:10
nodajgeorgeson: No, you can install "linux-kernel-2.6" and it'll automatically track it (it's a virtual package)05:10
laanderjust downloaded the CD today05:10
nodadigerati_: On my laptop, Pentium-M 130005:10
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digerati_Alright, cool. Lemme finish masturbating and I think I'll go ahead and install it :)05:10
nodadigerati_: Should be more like 30 minutes for you :)05:11
digerati_i've got 50 minutes before I need to head to bed ;-)05:11
jgeorgesonnoda, oh yeah, fo some reason i'm not sure of, i avoid the virtual tracking kernel packages05:11
nodanitin: Dammit, this is hard to find :)05:11
nitin:) told ya05:11
nitini really want to use ubuntu05:11
nitinbut i cant without proper 3d:)05:11
nitini want my games to work ~_~05:11
nodanitin: Their drivers come on the CD, I *know* it :)05:11
nitinlet me check05:12
topgun601mine hangs05:12
kremlynWhat's a virtual package?05:12
nitin(im running ubuntu in vmware)05:12
topgun601mine hangs when i try to run the gui05:12
atomsknitin: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html05:12
nitinthtsa for ubuntu? 05:12
nodaatomsk: The nice thing about a distro is that it does that kind of thing *for* you.05:12
jgeorgesonkremlyn: it just depends on another package with a more specific version. in the case of kernels, you install linux-kernel-2.6 and when you 'apt-get upgrade' you get the latest 2.6 kernel05:12
nodaUbuntu has the drivers.05:13
jamesdornlooks like the only way so far to get ubuntu working on PPC hardware is to run the i386 version with Virtual PC05:13
atomsknoda: well thats good to hear05:13
nitinoh those..05:13
nodaI know, because I *have* an ATI card on this laptop, and I considered break^H^H^H^H^Hinstalling the drivers :)05:13
nitinbut those arent ubuntu specific05:13
kremlynjgeorgeson: Ahh, I got you. :-)05:13
nodagoatboy: Thank you :)05:13
nodanitin: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto05:13
atomsknitin: they arent...but they work nicely for Debian/unstable. If Ubuntu ones dont work those should do just fine.05:14
nodaSee? Pretty damned easy :)05:14
nodaatomsk: Look at the BinaryDriverHowto page. That's how simple it is :)05:14
nitinnice noda those seem like they might work ~_~05:15
nitinthe binary ones:)05:15
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atomsknoda: and what does "fglrx_info" say?05:15
nodaAw, you're tempting me now ;)05:15
LeeColletonwhat is the easiest way to allow more than one sound to play simultaneously?05:16
nodaatomsk: Dunno, I haven't tried it :)05:16
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nodaLeeColleton: Erm... it should already work. What's blocking what?05:16
atomsknoda: try it...you are my test subject :P05:16
toyowheelinanyone here with a 64bit system figure out what to do for flashplayer?05:16
nodaatomsk: No, nitin is :)05:16
nodaI'm going to school tomorrow and need my laptop to work so I can do my homework :)05:16
nodaAnd it's already past my bedtime :P05:17
atomsknoda: come on its just an info command05:17
atomskI just want to know if vendor is ATI...05:17
nodaatomsk: I don't have the drivers installed :)05:17
toyowheelinnoda, almost my bedtime05:17
LeeColletonnoda: I'm high, nevermind05:17
jgeorgesonanyone know how to persistently set ssid/wep for wifi NICs?05:17
nodajgeorgeson: Edit /etc/network/interfaces.05:17
nodajgeorgeson: Put "wireless_key [ABCDEF0123...] " after the "wireless_essid" line05:18
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jgeorgesonwhat wireless_essid line?05:18
nodaOkay then, after the "iface" line for your wireless card05:18
jgeorgesonlooking at man page to figure out syntax of file05:19
nodajgeorgeson: It's pretty simple. Put that one line in and it'll work :)05:20
nodaWhat I used to do when I was running Debian on this laptop (and when I had to deal with WEP keys) was: I installed a program called "waproamd". It's in universe.05:20
LeeColletonnoda: okay, that's it:  Audacity won't open the audio i/o layer if there's another program using /dev/dsp05:20
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nodaLeeColleton: Tell it to use Alsa or ESD05:21
nodaAh well, bedtime for me. 'night everyone :)05:22
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defendguinhas anyone else had problems installing samba and samba common?05:24
pyramidjgeorgeson, why do you care about a life cycle of something that is out of date...software changes every day...unless you are in the antique business05:24
jgeorgesonpyramid: large enterprise businesses won't waste money paying admins to update 1000 linux servers to the new kernel that came out last week05:25
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pyramidjgeorgeson, that is their own stupidity...why they choose to be in the antique business is beyond me.05:26
jgeorgesonpyramid: well, i agree with them. if it works, don't fix it. spend time improving your products instead of mindlessly upgrading your servers when they don't need it05:27
pyramidjgeorgeson, it seems that many corporations don't care about technology...they just want to use dos.05:27
pyramidjgeorgeson, but it does not work...if it did there would not have to be improvements everyday05:28
pyramidjgeorgeson, this is the fallacy...ignoring the potential of advancing software is a costly mistake.05:28
atomskjgeorgeson: I guess its okay for unneeded improvement. But what about security fixes? Its like running after trouble...besides the update task can be automated.05:29
jgeorgesonpyramid, companies pay admins to pay attention to when a new version that will improve productivity becomes available and upgrade to it. Upgrading for the sake of upgrading is a costly mistake just like not upgrading when it's warranted05:29
joemplease take rants to another chan and leave this one for ubuntu support05:29
pyramidjgeorgeson, i am not saying that the antique business is stupid..i am just saying why should so many want to be in the antique business and impede advancing technology.05:29
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HrdwrBoByou're both missing the point05:30
HrdwrBoBit's not a matter of if your software is OLD05:30
HrdwrBoBit's a matter of whether it's SUPPORTED05:30
jgeorgesoni'm siding with joem on this one05:31
HrdwrBoBif an exploit comes out05:31
HrdwrBoBand it's never fixed05:31
HrdwrBoByou're screwed05:31
pyramidjgeorgeson, it is not upgrading for the sake of upgrading...it is upgrading to see why programmers think that new stuff is warranted everyday.05:31
HrdwrBoBif a bug is found and it's never fixed05:31
atomskis it possible to use a serial console the first time one boots Ubuntu?05:31
HrdwrBoByou're high and dry05:31
Eucolindoi'm not sure who to ask, but the ubuntu installer seems to have hung on me05:31
Eucolindowhile running usb.rc05:32
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Eucolindois this the right place to ask?05:32
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jgeorgesoni think i'm done here for the night05:32
pyramidHrdwr_BoB, nobody cares if antique and dinosaur software is supported...they are not living in the dark ages.05:32
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SuperElectricI just installed ubuntu 4.10, but am having problems with the mouse. At some point, it'll stop registering clicks, until I ctrl-alt-backspace the X server. 05:35
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_digeratiI have a Dlink DI-314+ wireless card. It uses the acx100 chipset. How do I get this working in Ubuntu? 05:35
_digeratindiswrapper is shit05:36
elmayais not05:36
_digeratiis too05:36
elmayais not05:36
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_digeratithere is a project that is a much better alternative, but I was wondering if there is a way to do this natively in ubuntu05:36
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Eucolindoah... nevermind.  i seemed to have solved my problem05:37
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elmayathen use that05:37
toyowheelincan anyone tell me what to do instead of using macromedia flash, because apperently they dont support amd64 05:38
toyowheelinis there a differnt project that will work05:38
mostytoyowheelin, html ?05:38
mostytoyowheelin, maybe a java applet?05:39
pyramidtoyowheelin, i saw a gnuflash plugin a while back but it wasn't working too well at the time.05:39
toyowheelinmosty, flash pages dont work becaue i cant install flash05:39
toyowheelinpyramid, humm Ill have to look into that05:39
mostytoyowheelin, there are opensource .swf players/plugins, but they aren't very good05:39
pyramidtoyowheelin, well you can try compiling the gnuflash plugin...but last i checked it did not work too well05:40
pyramidtoyowheelin, but i quit using flash because they are MS bitches...they want to support the MS platform.05:40
_digeratiIs there not an easier way to setup a wireless card in ubuntu?05:40
_digeratiacx100 is a pain in the ass to get working05:40
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pyramidtoyowheelin, i think there are too many MS programmers already.05:41
toyowheelinpyramid, some websites I go to use flash05:41
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pyramidtoyowheelin, well write them and email and enlighten them about free software.05:41
elmaya_digerati, no pain...no gain05:41
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pyramidtoyowheelin, the inertia that MS has is an awesome force to overcome.05:42
SuperElectricAnybody have problems with their mouse clicks ceasing to register?05:43
toyowheelinpyramid, well the thing is 32bit ver of the flash plugin worked fine in mandrake, I just need a 64bit ver now, and there is no telling when macromedia will release that05:43
pyramidtoyowheelin, well you have to understand that MS is very large and Macromedia is one of their bitches...they wish to support MS platform.05:44
toyowheelinyeah I know05:44
rileyi thought macromedia was more of a mac oriented company05:45
pyramidtoyowheelin, they also have antivirus bitches, antispyware bitches, gamer bitches, you name it...MS is gigantic.05:45
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toyowheelinpyramid, I know ATI is one of their bitches05:46
pyramidtoyowheelin, yes they have many hardware bitches as well.05:46
toyowheelinand unfortunately I have an ATI radeon 9800 pro05:46
pyramidtoyowheelin, just look at HP and Brother printers...more hardware bitches for MS05:46
rileytoyowheelin, sounds like our systems are alike, i have an ATI radeon 9800 pro and an amd64 processor05:46
toyowheelinlol riley cool05:47
toyowheelinamd athlon 3400+05:47
mostypyramid, i have no trouble with hp printers05:47
rileytoyowheelin, amd athlon 3000+05:47
rileypyramid, i thought hp was coming around to open source these days05:47
pyramidmosty, i have never seen an HP mfc printer ever work on linux and i tried several...HP is just an MS bitch.05:47
mostypyramid, i have one, works fine05:48
mostymaybe you are doing something wrong05:48
toyowheelinpyramid, no... lexmark is FAR FAR FAR worse than hp05:48
pyramidmosty, i don't think it works....what scanner driver did you use and what fax driver did you use.05:48
rileypyramid, i have tried 3 hp printers on linux and all have worked flawlessly05:49
rileywell i guess it would be a bit more complicated with scan and fax05:49
toyowheelinriley, when did you buy your pc?05:49
mostypyramid, there was a printer+scanner driver on sourceforge. mine doesn't have fax05:49
pyramidriley, i don't believe you without specifics...and please don't tell me about crippled hardware that prints only without also performing color fax, copying, and scanning.allinone05:49
LeeColletonI'm trying to get sane running with my hp psc_1210 and it isn't detecting it.  I have the hpoj package installed.05:49
mostyhpoj is what i used05:50
rileytoyowheelin, i got all of the parts within the last month and just built it last week05:50
LeeColletonIt worked with debian, before I installed ubuntu.. I'm not sure what's different now05:50
toyowheelinme too05:50
pyramidmosty, ok what scanner driver did you use.05:50
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toyowheelinwell I built mine at the begining of september05:50
pyramidLeeColleton, i told you HP is an MS bitch...they make sure their stuff works on MS and only supply junk for Linux.05:51
rileytoyowheelin, what mobo do you have?05:51
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mostypyramid, hpoj05:51
toyowheelingigabyte K8-VT800M05:51
pyramidmosty, well what fax system did you use.05:51
LeeColletonpyramid: bitch they may be, but I had my psc1210 running with debian and now that I've "upgraded" to ubuntu it doesn't work05:51
mostypyramid, that's bs. HP make nice postscript printers, loved the world over by unix people05:51
LeeColletonthat is to say; it prints, but doesn't scan.05:52
rileytoyowheelin, did you have any problems with installation?  because my soyo SY-K8USA isn't working at all05:52
toyowheelinno problems05:52
mostypyramid, i told you, my unit doesn't have a fax modem. i use a seperate modem05:52
pyramidmosty, nobody in the world is stupid enough to buy only a crippled postscript printer ....they all know about and want mfc's.05:52
rileytoyowheelin, who makes the K8-VT800M?05:52
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mostyare you retarded or something? heh05:52
rileyoh ok lol05:52
toyowheelinits the K8 triton series05:53
pyramidmosty, and whether your printer is hardware postscript or uses a postscript interpreter is not as important as color fax05:53
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rileytoyowheelin, ok, i thought it was my processor that was screwing me up but since it went fine for you it's probably my mobo05:54
toyowheelinriley, what problems are you having05:54
mostypyramid, for me, it's worth a lot more, just plug a printer into the network, without the need for a print server05:54
pyramidmosty, but the problem is that many hardware companies are MS bitches and only care if their stuff works on MS.05:54
mostythat is a problem, but i don't think HP is such a case. they provided support for the most important (common) functions of their stuff05:55
rileytoyowheelin, onboard lan is not detected by any distro's installation, and once i install any distro, i can never get X to work and half of the commands in the terminal don't work05:55
toyowheelinriley, did you d/l the amd64 version of ubuntu05:55
pyramidmosty, it is a serious problem...05:55
toyowheelinor the i386 ver05:55
rileytoyowheelin, yeah, i'm not a complete idiot lol05:56
tomas__can anyone help me to compile ? i tried now first time on uguntu 05:56
toyowheelinwell the 386 version dose work05:56
mostypyramid, the one obscure function you want (color fax)? not in my opinion05:56
rileyit works on an amd64?05:56
toyowheelinit just dont take advantage of the processor05:56
pyramidmosty, yes everyone uses color fax to move picture of their PHB's around05:56
rileyoh ok, i might try that05:56
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toyowheelinriley, same as windows xp will work fine in 32 bit mode05:57
mostypyramid, case in point: i didn't even know there was a color fax standard05:57
pyramidmosty, yes Brother printers have had color fax for a long time now...but they only support MS05:57
rileytoyowheelin, what exactly are the advantages of 64 bit processing?05:57
tomas__i tried ./configure on source i downloaded... says no compiler installed.. i "cp gcc-3.4 gcc" and now it says "configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check"05:57
toyowheelinmore data at a time can be processed05:57
toyowheelinso 64bit is faster05:58
tomas__why is it called gcc-3.4 and not gcc ?05:58
pyramidmosty, there are just so many MS bitches...hardware and software...just look at Nero, Isobuster, WinIso, Ghost, Norton, Macromedia, Sun Java, etc.05:58
rileyso basically you're only using half of the processor's resources in 32 bit mode?05:58
_digeratiNo compiler found in $PATH05:58
toyowheelinyeah kinda05:58
mostypyramid, i thought modems didn't need drivers? everything is done through the AT command set05:59
tomas__yes it was: configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH05:59
pyramidmosty, well yes you can use a modem...but you will have to pull in a picture into your computer and then send it out again...with a mfc...it is all automatic and the computer is not really needed.05:59
tomas__that passed after i cp gcc-3.4 gcc06:00
pyramidmosty, but the problem is that Brother is an MS bitch.06:00
mostypyramid, i would imagine you'd want to crop/filter/edit the picture on your computer first anyway06:00
toyowheelinriley, plus 32bit is a waste of an expensive processor, I dont know about you but my processor was nearly $30006:01
rileymine was $150 with a discount a newegg06:01
pyramidmosty, well yes you will have that capability...but if you just want to send a picture of your Pointy Haired Boss to someone...the Brother is the way to go...but not without Linux support.06:01
rileybut mine is also sub 2 GHz, what's yours?06:01
toyowheelinI bought my whole system on newegg06:01
mostypyramid, fax is too expensive, why not use email instead?06:01
toyowheelinriley, mine is 2.4Ghz06:02
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pyramidmosty, fax is not expensive when you live in a metropolis and everything is local.06:02
rev_trancehow do i set up printing through gimp-print via the gnome cups manager?06:02
rev_tranceor, how do i enable administration via the cups manager?06:02
mostypyramid, it's expensive for the receiver, especially color06:03
rileytoyowheelin, yeah, somebody pointed me to newegg after i had bought a couple of parts (ram and video card), and i liked it so much that i bought the rest there06:03
tomas__anyone knows?06:03
pyramidmosty, well yes ink costs but someone may want to see a picture of your Pointy Haired Boss.06:03
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mostypyramid, methinks email is a much nicer solution06:03
toyowheelinriley, my whole computer minus the keyboard monitor and mouse came to be $95906:04
pyramidmosty, well over long distance email is nice...but locally fax is very useful especially when signatures are needed.06:04
kremlynwhich utilities provide help in gnome?06:04
mostypyramid, last time i sent a signature on a fax, i got a letter back asking for a proper signature instead06:05
kremlyngreat, thanks :-)06:05
toyowheelinhow much ram do you have riley06:05
pyramidmosty, well many people have sent me papers that they wanted signed and faxed back..so i can only tell you from my own experience.06:05
rileytoyowheelin, that's pretty good figuring in the $300 processor.  i haven't found out my exact cost, but it was between $1100 and $120006:06
rileytoyowheelin, 1GB06:06
rileyi got 2 512KB at $75 a piece06:06
toyowheelinyeah I got 1GB of DDR 3200 corseir 06:06
rileyi got corseir 400006:06
rileywait i was thinking of something else 320006:07
pyramidmosty, one time i was going to buy a house and they had to have a faxed signature on the contract.06:07
toyowheelin400mhz ram is the max my board supports06:07
rileyi'm just wondering, can multiple linux distros use the same swap partition06:07
toyowheelinI dont know06:08
rileyyeah that's what i was thinking, 400 mhz06:08
pyramidmosty, and it is sickening that Brother and HP are MS bitches and make sure their stuff works on MS but not on Linux.06:08
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mostyif 99.9% of their customers use windows, it's not sickening06:08
toyowheelinriley, sounds like our pcs are almost identicle06:09
rev_tranceriley: i've had up to 5 distros on my machine, sharing the same swap06:09
rileytoyowheelin, yeah lol it's just my crappy mobo06:09
pyramidmosty, but don't you see...if they all support MS like NERO,Norton,etc...then it is a vicious circle because everyone will want MS so they will have to support it again and again.06:09
toyowheelinriley, what mobo was it again?06:10
rileyrev_trance, cool, i was wondering because i'm going to partition my old pc so that i can install 8 distros at the same time lol06:10
mostyyou're confusing me now, nero and norton are software...06:10
pyramidmosty, everyone wants MS because everyone supports MS...until this stops nothing will change.06:10
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HrdwrBoBpyramid: a lot of the problem is at the school level06:10
LeeColletonriley: only if they aren't using the swap concurrently06:10
rileytoyowheelin, SOYO SY-K8USA DRAGON, http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=13-139-136&depa=006:10
HrdwrBoBMS provide windows cheap/free to schools06:10
pyramidmosty, MS has many bitches...software and hardware wise.06:10
HrdwrBoBstudents use it06:10
HrdwrBoBso people know it06:11
HrdwrBoBetcetc 06:11
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rileyLeeColleton, they won't be, is it even possible for two distros on the same os to be running at the same time?06:11
toyowheelinriley, you have an atx board06:11
mostypyramid, X uses Y, therefore X is Y's bitch?06:11
toyowheelinmine is mini atx06:11
rileytoyowheelin, atx only matters for cases right?06:11
pyramidmosty, i don't even think Solomon the wise had as many bitches as MS has.06:11
rileytoyowheelin, bear with me, this is the first pc i ever built lol06:12
toyowheelinand you have more pci and memory slots than I do06:12
pyramidmosty, no X writes software or builds hardware for Y therefore X is Y's bitch.06:12
rileyyeah well that doesn't really matter if it won't run lol06:12
mostypyramid, by that reasoning, every hardware and software manufacturer is somebodies bitch06:13
pyramidmosty, well hey...if they choose to be an MS bitch what difference does it make to me?06:13
LeeColletonriley: swap is essentially like RAM, but slower.  Assuming the drive is only accessible by one computer system, you won't have a problem.  If it was a remote volume then you might have a problem, but that only matters for dickless workstations06:13
pyramidmosty, but i am saying that until people stop being MS bitches nothing will change.06:14
toyowheelinriley, http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=13-128-203&DEPA=1 thats my mobo06:14
rev_tranceI don't know what i'd do with out MS, i like running an OS thats better than theirs.06:15
LeeColletonFrom the linuxprinting.org docs it seems that hpoj-0.91-3 should support scanning with sane, yet when I run sane it says no devices can be detected.  What gives?06:17
HrdwrBoBLeeColleton: what sort of a retard runs remote swap?06:18
toyowheelinHrdwrBoB, wtf you talking about06:18
LeeColletonHrdwrBoB: retards with linux installed on their airport WAP06:18
rileytoyowheelin, cool06:18
HrdwrBoBwhat a terrible solution  to a silly problem06:19
t35t0rwhat retards with linux on their wap?06:19
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t35t0rlinksys wrt54g ?06:19
HrdwrBoBmore ram06:20
HrdwrBoBmore storage06:20
t35t0rhow much more06:20
HrdwrBoBtwice as much06:20
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t35t0ri wonder if you can inject it with VPN06:20
t35t0rthat would be "badass"06:20
toyowheelinssh tunnel06:20
rileytoyowheelin, so would you recommend Gigabyte mobos?06:21
t35t0rgigabyte is good if you've got the money06:21
t35t0rthey make solid server mobos06:21
toyowheelinI havent found anything thats bad about it06:21
t35t0rif you want desktop go msi or asus06:21
LeeColletonHrdwrBoB: I didn't say it was a good idea to run remote swap, I'm just pointing out that it's the only way to have a conflict in sharing swap partitions between multiple operating systems06:22
t35t0rsimply because so many people have them you'll get good support if something goes wrong06:22
toyowheelinso yeah I would...but than again I have had it for a lil over a month06:22
pyramiddoes anybody know what the problem is with www.shiite.com/caver....i am very worried about this.06:22
HrdwrBoBLeeColleton: yes, but until you mentioned it, no-one even considered doing that for a second, because it should never be done06:23
mostyleecollecton: what's wrong with local swap files?06:23
HrdwrBoBif you have to have a PC on for remote swap for the airport06:23
HrdwrBoB... couldn't you just do that stuff on the PC06:23
pyramidhow many people are keeping up with www.shiite.com/caver?06:23
t35t0rwhat is that?06:23
LeeColletonpyramid: sponsored links for ISLAM?06:23
t35t0rahh shiite06:24
pyramidit is very worrisome....no it is not about ISLAM...read it 06:24
HrdwrBoBpyramid: go to the url06:24
t35t0ris there a web.archive.org link for it?06:24
pyramidi told you www.shiite.com/caver06:24
t35t0ror maybe a nyud.net coral cache06:24
HrdwrBoBgo there06:24
t35t0ri went there its not there06:24
t35t0rwhat used to be there06:24
t35t0rthe document you requested is tno there06:24
toyowheelinriley, I think linux just dont like your chipset06:25
pyramidok sorry it is www.holyshiite.com/caver06:25
LeeColletoncaver?  is that like http://www.infiltration.org/06:25
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pyramidno read it ...it is very troublesome. and very important.06:25
toyowheelinmy mobo has a via chipset, not the best but its got support06:25
pyramidit seems to be contact with the supernatural.06:26
pyramidbut something has happened and it has not been updated for quite some time.06:26
topgun601ok i formated, reinstalled, followled the help at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto 06:26
rileytoyowheelin, yeah a few other people have said that06:27
toyowheelinoh you got one of them fancy memory card readers cool06:27
LeeColletonminers suck06:27
pyramidyou have not been reading www.holyshiite.com/caver06:27
topgun601and it still hangs on my 9800 pro any sugestions ?06:27
rileyyeah but i don't know if it's going to work with linux or not06:28
pyramidi fear something terrible has happened.06:28
t35t0rwhip's dog loks like mine06:28
toyowheelinriley, I must admit you got a lot more stuff with your mobo06:28
t35t0rbeing very very clausterophobic i would not enter a cave06:29
t35t0respecially one so "tight"06:29
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fabbionemorning guys06:30
LeeColletonThis fellow appears to be an idiot: http://www.edaddyo.com/images/caver/squeeze.jpg06:30
pyramidt35t0r, i bet you would not enter that cave....after you read what we have on the subject...but something has happened in the middle of it.06:30
rileytoyowheelin, it came in a discount bundle off of newegg06:30
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toyowheelin9:29pm fabbione06:30
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t35t0ri'm just looking at pictures06:30
t35t0rspelunking would not be by preferred profesison06:30
toyowheelinhow much did you end up paying for it riley06:30
pyramidt35t0r, well it is only 10 pages or so to read and gather as many facts as you can.06:31
fabbionetoyowheelin: ain't my fault if you live in the wrong side of the world ;)06:32
pyramidt35t0r, the author writes a bit too much detail for me...but sift through it to get the important stuff.06:32
toyowheelinlol fabbione06:32
rileytoyowheelin: $300 for mobo and processor06:32
toyowheelinnot bad06:32
rileyyeah but now i06:32
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rileybut now i'll prbly end up giving the mobo to my dad since he can put it to use with windoze06:33
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toyowheelinyou gonna buy a differnt mobo06:33
t35t0rpyramid, so what is that round rock? looks like they came upon some historical anthropological dig06:33
pyramidt35t0r, i fear the author paid a very high price to give you that little information.06:33
rileyyeah i'll probably end up having to06:34
t35t0ri don't really understand what that thing is06:34
t35t0rthey found some kind of symbol06:34
pyramidt35t0r, well from the strange smells, loud screams, physical manifestations and so on ...this is very bothersome.06:34
toyowheelinwell this gigabyte is working fine06:34
rileyi've tried everything i know to try and i can't get it to work06:34
t35t0rmaybe it's just ancient cave drawings ..maybe a burial tomb06:34
toyowheelinand it prefoms well06:34
t35t0rpyramid, i don't believe very much in the supernatural ..06:34
rileyand since it's not the processor i can't think of what else could be the problem06:34
pyramidt35t0r, well just read the facts that we have...and give it some thought.06:35
toyowheelinriley, whats it do in linux?06:35
t35t0rpyramid, heh well i was in the middle of listening to RMS on software patents06:35
toyowheelinis it just not seeing everythin06:35
rileytoyowheelin, linux just refuses to work, particularly X doesn't like it06:35
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pyramidt35t0r, well RMS has a very important point but unfortunately IBM and MS have lots of $$$$ and this buys costly patents.06:36
toyowheelinriley, that could be your video card too06:36
rileyand yeah it doesn't see the nic06:36
rileyand in ubuntu sudo doesn't work06:36
rileyso i can't do anything about it06:36
toyowheelinsudo su06:36
t35t0rpyramid, i'm thinking of patenting some ehrmm software06:36
kremlynSoftware patents will be the death of us all!06:37
t35t0rits actually worse06:37
pyramidt35t0r, but i think www.holyshiite.com/caver and RMS are both making important points...06:37
rileyno matter what i do with sudo, it breaks the terminal so that i have to shut down with the power button06:37
kremlynI am meeting RMS in 4 days :-D06:37
t35t0rpyramid, its better to be down to earth06:37
Treenaksriley: that sounds.. strange..06:37
t35t0rkremlyn, where is he giving a speech?06:37
pyramidt35t0r, caver is down to earth as you can get....it is below the earth.06:37
t35t0rpyramid, heh funnny06:37
t35t0ryea but caver could be completely phoney06:38
toyowheelinriley, have you tried redownloading the iso and burning another copy06:38
encKe`hiya P06:38
t35t0rriley, how about md5suming the thing06:38
toyowheelinor that06:38
pyramidt35t0r, no i don't think it is a hoax...the writing is too bad to be a hoax...something really happened and the dog sensed it.06:38
t35t0rpyramid, you're naivete will be the end of you06:38
rileyno, i haven't mdsummed it, but since it happens with a bunch of distros that's probably not the problem, but i'll try it anyway06:39
pyramidt35t0r, well at least i won't have that Satanic shadow bothering me like www.holyshiite.com/caver06:39
toyowheelinhumm I dont know but its past my bed time so I am off06:39
toyowheelinnice talking to you riley06:40
rileyyou too toyowheelin06:40
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toyowheelinc-ya everyone06:40
supertux_is anyone haveing serious problems with firefox and mozilla?06:40
t35t0ryou can't fight software patents there are too many dumb people06:41
t35t0rif you can't beat 'em join 'em06:41
Treenaksfabbione: do you think the strace is usable/06:41
t35t0rand if they get beat well i'll just have to innovate06:41
t35t0rkremlyn, btw most of the world thinks nix users are heathens heh06:43
t35t0rits sad but true06:43
fabbioneTreenaks: hold on a sec.. i am trying to understand if i am alive first ;)06:44
fabbioneTreenaks: do you think you can install -dbg and give me a gdb backtrace instead?06:45
fabbionei will be back in 10 minutes...06:45
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rileyhow do you do that think where you say your username does whatever (sorry, i'm an IRC newb if you can't tell :-D)06:47
crimsunriley: /me06:47
crimsunriley: or /action06:48
t35t0rUsage: ME <action>, sends the action to the current channel (actions are written in the 3rd person, like /me jumps)06:48
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rileythanks crimsun!06:49
rileyalso, how do you leave a message when you leave? just /quit <message> ?06:50
t35t0rI'm going to patent this software just to create havoc 06:51
t35t0rso that people can see that's its a bad idea06:51
t35t0rand hopefully get more media attention on the issue06:51
t35t0rwhich is what needs to be done06:51
fableyeah media attention rocks06:52
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LeeColletonexcept the media doesn't have any attention06:55
LeeColletonthe media has focus, that's it06:55
t35t0rthat's what i meant put its focus on the issue06:55
LeeColletonthey travel and think in packs, demonstrating a massive defecit of serious attention to anything06:56
fableoh i disadgree, the media has so much attention...06:56
fablepeople focus their attention on the media...06:56
t35t0ryea its funny how they are like hyenas06:56
fablegiving it attention06:56
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t35t0ri've stopped watching tv06:56
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t35t0rlike a year ago06:57
fablei dont what the fsck im saying06:57
fablewell i watch some things06:57
t35t0rheh i don't know if it was good or not ..probably been spending more time on the keyboard06:57
fablebut i dont watch most networks anymore06:57
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fabletv , computer... same stuff06:58
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topgun601hi all06:58
t35t0rwell i can be doing something productive 06:58
t35t0rdiscussing etc as i am now06:58
fablerather than nothing at all06:59
fableso the computer is a much better sorce for information than tv06:59
t35t0ri thoroughly believe that having ADD is not a disease06:59
LeeColletonfable: the television is a broadcast medium, where one channel communicates to many viewers.  The Internet opens the possibility of many channels communicating to many viewers, who can in turn become active participants.06:59
t35t0rfable: yes you get to research on your own06:59
t35t0rhehe that's why i can't sit ther and watch the television07:00
LeeColletonthe Internet is much more democratic than the tele, which is why The Corporation fears it.07:00
fableheh yeah07:00
t35t0ryou'll never hear RMS even on PBS07:01
LeeColletonDo we have any Microsoft employees in the channel?07:01
LeeColletonDon't be afraid, we won't bite.07:01
t35t0ri'm on winxp atm07:01
fableI'm against microsoft all the way07:01
t35t0ri don't even have a nix box of my own07:01
fablejust by what im using07:01
fablemodded xbox, downloaded windows xp07:02
LeeColletonfable: using Microsoft products is a way of showing your support for their company07:03
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t35t0rLeeColleton, you can07:03
t35t0rLeeColleton, there's an entire book written on it07:03
t35t0ri'm not surprise it hasn't been banned by DMCA in the usa07:03
LeeColletont35t0r: I have a v1.5 xbox.  The GPU is incompatible07:03
t35t0rLeeColleton, hrrmm nothing is "incompatible"07:04
LeeColletonrather, there are no drivers for the v1.5 GPU07:04
t35t0rthat' doesn't mean its incompatible07:04
LeeColletonno open source drivers07:04
t35t0rit just needs to be reversed07:04
t35t0rno open source means it has to be reversed07:04
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rileythere's a book on installing linux on an xbox? lol that's awesome, of course i will never give m$ $150 so it doesn't matter...07:04
LeeColletonright, but that's a difficult thing when you're talking about an IC that deals with HF and unpublished codecs07:05
joembuy one used07:05
rileylol that works07:05
LeeColletonjoem: what, am I made of money?07:05
t35t0rLeeColleton, you have to see what inputs give what outputs on the ic its very complicated ..prohibitive07:05
joemwas taking to riley in regards to giving microsoft money07:05
LeeColletonI'm probably going to trade my xbox for an older version 07:05
fableyeah gentoox is a really good os done07:06
fableits for the xbox07:06
fableand if i only have spent 150 toward all the M$ products07:07
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fablethen its not really helping their companies07:07
soleblazequestion..i'm trying to setup ubuntu using debootstrap.. but I can't find which mirror to use07:07
t35t0ryou've probably spent much more money on nix07:07
t35t0ryou're time07:07
soleblazeanyone know which mirror i use?07:07
fableactully i have07:07
fablei spent money on usb cables for the xbox for linux07:08
fablemy other harddrive has slack10 on it07:08
LeeColletont35t0r: I just spent an evening getting my printer to work (which it now does).  I can't quite figure out what I did though...07:08
fablejust got that working a couple of days ago07:08
t35t0rLeeColleton, yea thats nix07:08
soleblazecan someone tell me a ubuntu mirror?07:08
t35t0rLeeColleton, linux-wlan-ng fried my built-in prism3 USB wireless device in my laptop07:09
t35t0rLeeColleton, now it won't even work in XP07:09
t35t0rwhen i dual boot07:09
LeeColletonLinux.  It's only free if your time isn't worth anything.07:09
fableive never tried wifi... is it any good07:09
t35t0rthe things we do to get stuff working in nix07:09
joemxboxs are sold at a loss iirc07:09
joemthey make their money on games07:09
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fablei buy games to support the company making the game07:09
HrdwrBoBpyramid: that is from 200107:09
fablelike i have a preorder on halo 2... just to support bungie07:10
LeeColletonfable: but that company pays huge licensing fees to MS07:10
LeeColletonI'm going to buy halo 2 myself.. probably.07:10
fableI don't know... well i geuss i am wrong07:10
fablebungie is owned by M$07:10
t35t0ryea pretty much pwned07:10
t35t0rthey can't live without each other at the moment07:11
fablei just got the preorder so i could get the game WHEN it comes out07:11
fablei couldnt get Fable 2 weeks after it was released07:11
LeeColletont35t0r: WTF does pwned mean?  Is that supposed to be some clever misspelling of owned?07:11
bob2bungie is OWNED by MS07:11
elmayahow do i set the clock to not use utc07:11
t35t0rLeeColleton, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pwned07:12
t35t0rits annoying07:12
bob2elmaya: edit /etc/default/rcS, but have you checked the BTS if you're having a clock problem?07:12
fablei know thats what i said07:12
fableMS has the rights toward the coompany Bungie07:12
fablepure OWNAGE07:13
LeeColletonis that similar to slavery?07:13
LeeColletonownership of another human07:13
bob2no, it just bought them out.07:13
bob2elmaya: /topic07:13
fableyeah what bob2 said07:13
rileywhat's the command to create a new user?07:15
bob2riley: adduser07:15
t35t0radd it manually to passwd07:15
fableyeah i also screw M$ over by softmodding xboxs07:15
LeeColletonNever been easier.. to turn users off of Linux07:15
rileybob2: thanks07:15
t35t0rand etc group07:15
bob2fable: that's not screwing them, you bought an xbox from them.07:15
fablebut they lose money when people buy xboxs07:16
LeeColletonoh, if I put ubuntu on my computer then my kids will be able to download music and look at porn.  Great! chinese food07:16
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bob2fable: they lose more if it sits in their warehouse.07:16
LeeColletonbob2: they lose even more if those warehouses catch fire07:16
t35t0rhow are people able to sell these xboxes on ebay with like 120games on them ..its so illegal07:17
fableyeah where are their warehouses anyways07:17
fableive softmodded all my friends boxs07:17
t35t0rsee the thing is you can sell modchip's its just illegal to sell premodded xboxes07:17
t35t0rfable: see that's illegal07:17
bob2fable: so by buying them, all you've done is give MS money.07:17
fablei know07:17
LeeColletonforiegn countries, mostly.  Malaysia and china I think.. Maybe Mexico07:17
t35t0rfable: and if you were making money you would definately be a felon heh07:18
bob2t35t0r: only in some oppressive countries like the USA and Australia.07:18
fablealso ive copied 24 or so xbox games today07:18
t35t0rbob2, yes07:18
fablefucking them over more07:18
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bob2fable: this is not a warez channel.07:18
t35t0rbob2, most of western eurpon too07:18
soleblazeanyone here familiar with setting up ubuntu on a diskless system?07:18
fablesry ill stop07:18
bob2t35t0r: yeah :/07:18
bob2fable: thank you.07:18
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fablelinux is legal on xboxs07:18
t35t0rlinux is not legal 07:18
t35t0ron xboxes07:18
fableI think, if you use a opensorce bios07:18
joemsony ps 2 linux kit07:19
t35t0rbecause it allows you to rip the games07:19
fableis there such thing?07:19
t35t0rin the us anyways07:19
LeeColletont35t0r: what I do with my xbox in the privacy of my home is my business07:19
bob2This seems fairly off-topic, guys.07:19
t35t0rLeeColleton, yes07:19
LeeColletoncan we install ubuntu on the xbox?07:19
fablebob2: really off topic07:19
t35t0rLeeColleton, i imagine it would be the same as installing any other07:19
bob2LeeColleton: no.07:19
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fableLeeColleton: someone with some linux/xbox programming skill could port it07:20
t35t0rmang it gets boring addressing n00bs "I CAN't get dOom3 to work, hep me!!07:20
t35t0rwhat are we t odo ??!07:20
fabledoom3 in linux?07:20
t35t0rfable: it's just a joke heh07:20
fableis that possible?07:20
t35t0rcedega says so07:20
soleblazeso no one here has any idea how to get ubuntu working bootless?07:20
HrdwrBoBfable: I use winex to play doom3 in linux07:20
fablethats BULL...07:20
topgun601thy have beta07:20
fableHrdwrBoB: doom 3 run well?07:21
LeeColletonSomeone on the mailing list suggested having ubuntu's xchat connect to this channel by default.07:21
HrdwrBoBnot really07:21
HrdwrBoBnah it's ok07:21
HrdwrBoBabout a 15% performance hit though07:21
t35t0rdoom3 was such a disappointment for me  ..it just doesn't have the fun factor of a game like ut2k407:21
HrdwrBoBt35t0r: it's a horror game07:21
fableut2004 rocks...07:22
topgun601more like horable07:22
t35t0rHrdwr_BoB, so was doom , doom II, but they pwned07:22
fablei want to play on linux... but my cd2 is scrached07:22
pyramidwhy do so many people want to put ubuntu on xbox,ps2 , and now gamecube just to steal all the games.07:22
bob2pyramid: they don't.07:22
t35t0rpyramid, they don't 07:22
bob2pyramid: it's a very small group, but they're very vocal07:22
fableyeah nobody does...07:22
t35t0rpyramid, its just a challenge ..like linux from scratch07:22
bob2pyramid: the vast majority of linux users take copyright seriously07:22
fablethere is already software that does that..07:22
t35t0ror like building your own box for the first time07:22
t35t0rbob2, that's so not true07:23
pyramidwell i saw the gamecube linux server and it had over 40 pirated games online for download...buy why?07:23
fablepyramid: people choose to save the money of not buying games...07:23
t35t0ri hate games in general ..except for ut2k4 cause i like blowing things up and venting anger stress07:24
t35t0rand running over people in the hummer and tank07:24
pyramidbob2,  i mean i don't care...i am not paid by MS or anyone to care...but i just don't understand why so many people like to pirate all the games.07:24
t35t0rand hearing them scream 07:24
bob2pyramid: I don't get it either07:24
fableand getting the thing that goes07:24
fablecrap cant remember...07:25
bob2anyway, pirating games for any OS is entirely off-topic here07:25
HrdwrBoBI have an xbox07:25
bob2go to #warez or something if you want to continue it07:25
HrdwrBoBI chipped it so I could use xbox media center07:25
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fableXBMC ROCKS!07:25
t35t0rbob2, little do they know what happens if you go t #warez07:25
pyramidbob2, i mean it is no big deal they have all the tools on Linux to write their own multimillion dollar games so why pirate somebody else's.07:25
fableso much07:25
HrdwrBoB... to play my pirated movies!!07:25
t35t0ri think you get auto k=linked07:25
HrdwrBoBwellm no07:25
fablebeats ANYTHING!07:25
bob2t35t0r: oh, good point07:25
bob2go to #warezkiddies or something then.07:26
HrdwrBoBfable: it's irritating because my xbox is an unstable useless heap of crap and I can't get XMBC for linux07:26
pyramidHrdwr_BoB, why do so many people want to pirate movies also.07:26
bob2pyramid: I don't know, it's always seemd fairly pathetic to me07:26
HrdwrBoBpyramid: because they're expensive07:26
topgun601any one have problems installing the drivers for a 9800 pro after following the dirctons in http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto ?07:26
pyramidbob2, i mean they have all the tools on Linux to create their own multimillion dollar movies so why pirate somebody else's07:26
t35t0rheh i would if (join() =~ /warez/) { kline($user); }07:26
HrdwrBoBa new movie in au can be  $30-4007:26
fableHrdwrBoB: I think its really cool... I use to watch movies and stuff off the computer07:26
bob2pyramid: exactly07:26
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HrdwrBoBnot to mention we get movies literally MONTHS after other countries07:27
bob2HrdwrBoB: then order from overseas.07:27
bob2oh, wait, you can't.07:27
t35t0ryea you cna't 07:27
pyramidHrdwr_BoB, well who wants a movie anyway...who wants to hear all that propoganda.07:27
t35t0rDVD region 107:27
t35t0rDVD region 207:27
t35t0rblah blah07:27
fableI want to see Ghost in the Shell 207:27
t35t0rreally ..has anyone see that "you don't know bleep" movie07:28
fableRegion Free owns07:28
HrdwrBoBpyramid: I watch movies to enjoy myself07:28
fablehavent heard of it...07:28
pyramidHrdwr_BoB, it is all propoganda and someone else's belief system...so why bother.07:28
HrdwrBoBI'm not sure what movies you're watching07:28
t35t0rits not out here until oct 1507:28
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t35t0ri'll go watch it ..just because it's "different"07:28
HrdwrBoBpyramid: sounds like you are a bit of a wowser07:28
HrdwrBoB"why pirate movies"07:29
t35t0rthe thing with propaganda is it can be funny to listen to or watch ..just make up your own mind07:29
HrdwrBoB"because X"07:29
pyramidHrdwr_BoB, no after spending 20years in college listening to everyone else's propoganda...i don't want to hear anymore.07:29
HrdwrBoB"well then why watch it at all"07:29
HrdwrBoBthere's your problem07:29
HrdwrBoBovereducation :)07:29
t35t0rheh i'm gonna listen to some more rms07:29
q2My screensavers get horrible frame rates.  Libranet got awesome ones07:29
LeeColletonI would like to use my webcam with ubuntu.  It is a sn9c102.  V4L2 recognizes it and assigns /dev/video007:29
pyramidHrdwr_BoB, i mean really...why bias your thought system with Matrix, or Van Helsing.07:30
LeeColletonNone of the cam apps will work with it.  What to do?07:30
HrdwrBoBpyramid: or you could just watch it 07:30
fablenever used a netcam in linux...07:30
bob2q2: do ou have hardware accelration enabled?07:30
q2not sure07:30
fabbioneLeeColleton: xawtv should do07:30
t35t0rmovies no matter what "propaganda" they may have are always a form of art ..which should be appreciated simply because it is art ..art for its own sake 07:30
fableYeah make sure you have the right modules in...07:30
fabbioneLeeColleton: it grabs data from V4L07:30
t35t0reven if the movie is terrible07:30
pyramidHrdwr_BoB, but even watching it subconcsientously affects your mentality.07:30
bob2q2: what sort of card do you have?07:31
fabbioneLeeColleton: just check the man page to see how to use /dev/video007:31
q2Voodoo 3 PCI 16aMB07:31
HrdwrBoBpyramid: OH NOES my mentality07:31
t35t0rmang some people use some funky old hardware07:31
HrdwrBoBpyramid: do you have a tinfoil hat?07:31
fableI don't know much of what is supported in ubuntu07:31
t35t0rpyramid does have a tinfoil hat07:31
q2i also do07:31
t35t0rhe was talking about that crazy stuff in the cave07:31
pyramidt35t0r, well art can be very misleading...just becasue you label it ART doesn't mean it should have a HALO around it.07:32
HrdwrBoBbut it doesn't mean you should be scared of looking at it07:32
t35t0rpyramid, no but it still can be appreciated ...nazi art is still art ..albeit grotesque07:32
HrdwrBoBbecause it might affect you07:32
fablepyramid: Most people look at art as a form of entertainment07:32
LeeColletonfabbione: yeah, it pops up a window labled "???" that is completely black07:32
t35t0reven the MS BSOD is a form of art07:32
LeeColletonGives some errors about "no way to get: 384x288 32 bit TrueColor (LE: bgr-)"07:32
fabbioneLeeColleton: please check the man page. I am sure that it can do it. I just can't remember the switches07:32
q2I LOVE BSOD!07:32
pyramidfable, well the Greeks have been asking for thousands of years what is entertainment...they tried drama, music, art, etc.07:32
q2FROM ALL OSs!07:33
t35t0rthe white on blue relaxes you into thinking nothing is wrong07:33
t35t0rits interesting they could have made the screen RSOD 07:33
t35t0rred screen of death ..but made it blue ..calming07:33
fableArt can be seen as a expression through anything07:33
fablemusic, films, paintings, drawings, etc07:34
t35t0reven nix has it's black screen of death :>07:34
LeeColletonfabbione: the default device is /dev/video0, which is what came up in dmesg07:34
t35t0ri got one trying to modprobe linuxant's hsf winmodem drivers07:34
LeeColletonI think the issue is that the camera uses something called "bayer rgb"07:34
t35t0rI think that was too much taint for the kernel to handle07:34
t35t0rit just died07:34
pyramidmy point is that ART conveys, biases,prejudices, propoganda and so on.07:34
fableYeah it does...07:34
fabbioneLeeColleton: unfortunatly i don't have a webcam to test with07:34
t35t0rpyramid, yea have you read MAUS07:34
LeeColletonnone of the standard apps can read it, although v4l-info shows a bunch of information from the driver07:35
fabbioneLeeColleton: the V4L is a standard. if the camera is hooked up, it should work.07:35
pyramidt35t0r, no I have not read MAUS...i don't wish to mess up my mind anymore with misleading thoughts,ideas,advice, and so on.07:35
fabbioneLeeColleton: let me see if there is something we can try07:35
fableWhen the first release of Ubuntu are they sending cds out?07:35
t35t0rpyramid, i woudln't blame you07:36
t35t0rpyramid, in today's world of over extra sensory input07:36
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fablebecause that would really help me with my dialup problem07:36
t35t0rpyramid, sometimes ignorance can be...07:36
pyramidt35t0r, well after 20years of reading all kinds of crap...and getting a PhD...i prefer to concentrate on nothingness.07:36
jgeorgesoni don't see an rc.local file, what do i use in place of it?07:36
t35t0rpyramid, what was your phd in07:36
fablehow can you concentrate on nothing07:37
pyramidt35t0r, honestly my PhD was in Skotology...if you know Greek.07:37
fablealso brings up does "nothing" exist07:37
fabbioneLeeColleton: i think you can try webcam or came07:37
pyramidt35t0r, that would be Skatology07:37
pyramidif you do not know Greek...then the study of S#!@t07:38
t35t0rpyramid, i didn't think you were serious at first i had to look it up07:38
t35t0rare you serious?07:38
LeeColletonfabbione: camE sez "/dev/video0: no v4l device" and webcam sez "can't get rgb24 data"07:38
LeeColletonI think they're stymied by the "bayer rgb" thing07:39
t35t0rpyramid, just my opinion but i don't see how anyone could study anything much more worthless07:39
pyramidt35t0r, well actually the University would not admit such a thing so they labeled it Finance and Economics and Physics and Psychology...but i call it all S#@!t.07:39
jgeorgesonso, what do i use in absence of rc.local?07:39
t35t0rahhh i see07:39
fableWell im going...07:39
t35t0rquite the cynic are we07:39
fablesee you all later07:39
fablecan't wait to try Ubuntu07:39
t35t0ri hope i'm not cynical after i get my phd ..07:40
t35t0ror too cynical07:40
pyramidt35t0r, well when you study quantum chemistry and find out that space is missing and because of that electrons follow peculiar orbits around protons..and also if you study quantum physics and find out that space and time are curved and frame dragging may exist...and so on.07:41
t35t0ri want to do my masters in photonics07:41
t35t0rits a bit more practical07:41
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t35t0rframe dragging ..is that anything like phase shifting?07:42
pyramidt35t0r, no it is more like a spinning object dragging empty space and time around with it.07:42
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t35t0rpyramid, i can't wait for the LIGOS BOINC project to get going07:43
HrdwrBoBit's quite obvious everything is relative07:43
fabbioneLeeColleton: i think i found something.. i am checking the documentation07:43
sabdflmorning fabbione07:43
t35t0rpyramid, have you heard about it?07:43
pyramidHrdwr_BoB, if everything is relative..then how can we agree on the speed of light.07:43
HrdwrBoBthe whole point is that humans don't work well if they actually understand all sorts of things like that07:44
pyramidin a vacuum and for the average photon speed.07:44
HrdwrBoBso I have a suspicion that you've broken your brain07:44
pyramidHrdwr_BoB, yes i have been legally insane for 15 years now.07:44
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fabbionesabdfl: good morning :-)07:44
LeeColletonfabbione: thank you for even looking, I think that the development version of xawtv has support for bayer rgb07:44
HrdwrBoBwho's to say you can't build a universe where pi=72 and the speed of light is slightly less than it is now07:45
fabbioneLeeColleton: you need this: http://go.lamarinapunto.com/modules/mydownloads/07:45
pyramidHrdwr_BoB, remember for a vacuum and average photon speed.07:45
t35t0ryou mean the speed of light in a vacu,07:45
fabbioneLeeColleton: it's a patched xawtv that supports the bayer rgb format AND v4l207:45
fabbioneLeeColleton: the driver should be ok. 07:45
fabbioneLeeColleton: but there are updated sn9c10x drivers too.07:46
t35t0rc = sqrt (relative permeability * relative permittivity) ?07:46
topyliHrdwrBoB: well, i can't do it, that's pretty sure (for now)07:46
t35t0ri think that's correct07:46
LeeColletonfabbione: should I uninstall the prepackaged version of xawtv?07:46
pyramidHrdwr_BoB, if you want to talk about individual photons going faster or slower than light this does not necessarily affect the average.07:46
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fabbioneLeeColleton: up to you.. i would first try to compile the new xawtv and run it in the local/build dir07:46
fabbioneLeeColleton: there is no real need to de-install the other one07:46
HrdwrBoBpyramid: no, what about a theoreticaly unverse that has different constants07:47
LeeColletonyeah, I guess I could just leave it in /usr/local/bin07:47
pyramidHrdwr_BoB, well you can construct anything in your mind but if you make it phsical the big bang might destroy it.07:47
HrdwrBoBbut if you can think it, then it can be07:48
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HrdwrBoBbecause the only truly existing world is the world inside your head07:48
HrdwrBoBeverything else could be lies07:48
LeeColletondoes the steady state model of the universe still hold any credence?  or is it on par with the flat earth theory07:48
pyramidHrdwr_BoB, well notice that the earth could in fact be flat with round edges.07:49
LeeColletonthe world is topologically flat (except for tunnels)07:49
pyramidHrdwr_BoB, in fact the width of the earth could actually just be a dot to a fast traveler.07:50
t35t0rpyramid, you would like the "you don't know bleep movie" 07:50
t35t0rpyramid, it's all about reality in a "quantum" universe07:50
pyramidHrdwr_BoB, just oversimplifying with some risk the Lorentz contraction.07:51
LeeColletonfabbione: when I try to ./configure then make xawtv I get "make: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-redhat-linux/3.2.2/include/stddef.h', needed by `console/dump-mixers.o'.  Stop."07:51
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pyramidt35t0r, well Planck was always bothered about the time.07:51
fabbioneLeeColleton: amen :-) that needs some work07:51
t35t0rpyramid, i have to run a perl script on this nix box every 30 mins to set its time 07:52
HrdwrBoBpyramid: http://www.dougaustin.com/tlcaves/pdf/Thefearofdarkness.pdf07:52
t35t0ri mean on this winxp laptop07:52
HrdwrBoBthat is the source of that story07:52
LeeColletonfabbione: so, can I comment something out?  this seems to be needed for redhat but maybe not debian?07:52
fabbioneLeeColleton: i can try to look at it later. but it won't be before a few hours07:52
HrdwrBoBwhich is entirely a work of fiction07:52
HrdwrBoB(though a good one)07:52
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fabbioneLeeColleton: i need to look at the code07:52
pyramidHrdwr_BoB, i prefer to worry about that individual that wondered into the cave in www.holyshiite.com/caver07:52
t35t0rpyramid, how was planck botherd about time07:52
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fabbioneLeeColleton: difficult to say without ;)07:52
HrdwrBoBthe link I pasted is a short story almost exactly the same as that story07:53
HrdwrBoBwhich predates it by ... a long time07:53
pyramidt35t0r, well planck was convinced that elements of time do not exist at all..that it may occur only in quantum intervals.07:53
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HrdwrBoByes, the instant of time07:53
HrdwrBoBthe tick of the universe07:53
t35t0rpyramid, well that's precisely the theory behind quantum / atomic clocks is it not?07:53
ionrockdoes anyone know how I can get tap support on my touchpad?07:54
pyramidHrdwr_BoB, well if time and space are missing...what is in their place.07:54
HrdwrBoBpyramid: magic07:54
ionrockI looked at tpconfig but there is some issue with 2.6 and how it handles the mouse that makes it not really work.07:54
t35t0rionrock, when i just tap the touchpad it double clicks you mean07:54
t35t0rionrock, fix i07:54
t35t0rionrock, fix it07:54
ionrockt35t0r, yeah07:54
ionrockIt won't click now07:55
t35t0ri've never tried that on my laptop07:55
pyramidHrdwr_BoB, well magic is another way of saying that something might be going on at www.holyshiite.com/caver07:55
t35t0ri always use an external mouse07:55
t35t0rthen again i never really use my laptop on my lap07:55
HrdwrBoBpyramid: no, that would be bloody mindedness07:55
t35t0rit's just a desktop replacement07:55
ionrockt35t0r, I am using mine on my lap right now :)07:55
t35t0rionrock, yea thought so ..don't burn your testicles off07:56
t35t0rionrock, or your werr .weell07:56
ionrockI noticed in my xf86config that the mouse is setup as a IMPS or whatever it is instead of a touchpad.07:56
pyramidHrdwr_BoB, well it is a fact that even if we had an earlier sun that exploded after creating the heavier elements and formed our planets and everything we see around us..still how did living bacteria and algae form out of inorganic elements.07:56
ionrockI am thinking changeing that would do it07:56
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ionrockI just wish I had a little more insight on the topci07:57
t35t0rpyramid, it's chance07:57
HrdwrBoBpyramid: yes, and I agree that it's certainly odd07:57
pyramidHrdwr_BoB, think about this seriously...because even if we are just an evolved form of stinking bacteria...still that bacteria had something magical about it.07:57
HrdwrBoBbut if you're using that as a reason to beleive in that story when it's obviously plagiariesd07:57
HrdwrBoBit makes you an idiot07:57
HrdwrBoBpyramid: I could not agree more07:57
t35t0rpyramid, its statistical probability that if you put such and such chemicals together they will combine to form amino acids ...proteins ..cells etc07:57
t35t0rpyramid, i'm sure you know that there has been work at creating "life in a bottle"07:58
t35t0rpyramid, but it takes billions of years07:58
pyramidt35t0r, you are referring to very complex molecular behavior even in simple bacteria...how did atoms get up and decide to get together to form living breathing eating crapping bacteria.07:58
t35t0rpyramid, you don't know much about biology07:58
t35t0rpyramid, i work in a protein crystallography lab ..07:59
pyramidt35t0r, even with trillions of years...how did inorganic elements get up and collect together in very sophisticated patterns.07:59
t35t0rpyramid, it's statistical probability ..and to you statistics is probably a "bunch of lies"07:59
t35t0rso i can't expect you to understand ..you're too preconditioned07:59
pyramidt35t0r, lies, damn lies, and more damn lies.07:59
LeeColletonpyramid: uh.. have you ever seen crystals form?  07:59
t35t0ri thought so hehe07:59
LeeColletoncrystals form by magic.  PFM08:00
t35t0ri can't blame you .. i really hate statistics08:00
pyramidLeeColleton, i am talking about living/breating,eating,crapping bacteria...not inorganic crystals.08:00
t35t0rits my worst subject08:00
t35t0rpyramid, it's the same process08:00
pyramidLeeColleton, everyday the bacteria takes a crap in your mouth.08:00
t35t0rpyramid, what are the bacteria made of08:01
LeeColletonpyramid: the difference between crystal formation and organic self-assembly is slight08:01
pyramidt35t0r, no not even with the wildest imagination is it the same process...heat a rock all you want..does it come alive.08:01
t35t0rpyramid, it's not jut simply heating a rock08:01
pyramidt35t0r, ok put pressure on a rock all you want ...does it come alive.08:01
LeeColletonin a sense, we are all huge liquid crystals due to the properties of the continuious connective tissues throughout our bodies08:01
t35t0rpyramid, once again you are completely misrepresenting it08:02
t35t0rits not just a rock08:02
LeeColletoncollagen is a superconductor of high freq at room temperatures08:02
t35t0rit's a collection of elements in the right amount namely C H N O P & S08:02
pyramidt35t0r, i am not misrepresenting it...the point is that we know life came to this earth...since it did it could have come again and manifested itself inside the Virgin Mary.08:02
t35t0rthat make life .."as we know it" ..i can't speak for Si based life if there is such a thng08:02
t35t0roh great08:03
t35t0ri'm not discussing this any further08:03
pyramidt35t0r, think about the sophistication of even a simple molecule like DNA....how could atomic elements get up one day and organize themselves into such complex and brilliant patterns.08:03
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t35t0rpyramid, because its one of the most efficient ways to organize that much dat08:04
t35t0rit's a matter of evolution08:04
pyramidt35t0r, rocks don't evolve to become alive.08:04
t35t0rif you know aything about life and how it supposedly began08:04
t35t0rcells didn't even use DNA in their very infancy08:05
t35t0rthey used RNA08:05
t35t0rto hold their genetic information08:05
pyramidt35t0r, you might explain the inorganic elements we find but not the appearance of organic life.08:05
daWhippait began with God at his *NIX terminal08:05
t35t0rand RNA is much less advanced ..but cells did this for millions of years ..then it became DNA during the course of evolution08:05
t35t0rpyramid, no ..only god can ..since once again its statistical08:06
pyramidt35t0r, even RNA is a brilliant molecular structure08:06
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t35t0rpyramid, brilliant yes ..but as you said it ..not as complex as dna08:06
t35t0ri could easily see how RNA could have formed itself08:06
t35t0rthat's why i avidly believe that we are not  alone in this universe hhe08:06
pyramidt35t0r, you see it seems to take very sophisticated patterns to sustain life....how could inorganic elements decide to get together and form these kinds of patterns.08:07
t35t0rbah i can't discuss anythign with you08:07
fridgerhythmbox really needs to come with more radio station presets08:07
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daWhippait aint so much the molecular structures that are amazing as the replication processes08:07
t35t0rpyramid, i'm just trying to give you a scientific explanation believe it or not doesn't matter08:07
pyramidt35t0r, that is fine..that you believe life came from somewhere else in the universe but how did stinking bacteria form there....life came...we know that..and it may have come again in the Virgin Mary.08:07
ionrockdoes anyone know why I get an error when trying to apt-get update with the universe sources? I get a gzip error, as though the pkg list is messed up or something08:07
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t35t0rno i didn't say life came here from somewhere in the universe08:08
pyramidJesus said he alone was Life....he was not willing to share this title with anyone else.08:08
HrdwrBoBoh yay08:08
HrdwrBoBthe bible is a book.08:09
t35t0ri said that since life formed here from elementary elements -> rna -> dna etc i think its highly probable that it exists elsewhere in the universe08:09
HrdwrBoBwritten by men.08:09
HrdwrBoBend of story.08:09
t35t0ryea i don't know where the virgin mary should come up in the context of this discussion08:09
pyramidt35t0r, elements can't organize into living patterns....whether here or somewhere else.08:09
t35t0ri have the utmost respect for catholics08:09
Xyverzis it possible to convert an existing debian box to ubuntu? is that in the documentation anywhere?08:10
Xyverz(we're talking debian sarge)08:10
t35t0rXyverz, heh i still don't understand the difference between debian and ubuntu08:10
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t35t0rit uses apt-get / dpkg as its main package management..are some startup/user scripts different?08:11
LeeColletonXyverz: it isn't safe to do so at this time.  Recommend you do a clean install08:11
XyverzI was considering it on my laptop, but no CD drive.08:11
Xyverzwell, that and my laptop is too slow to comfortable run GNOME anyway.08:11
topyliXyverz: some packages are named differently, so there may be confusion. script, persmission differences as well08:11
Xyverzmaybe I'll just keep it at sarge for the time being.08:11
LeeColletont35t0r: ubuntu is debian on a fixed release schedule.08:11
t35t0rLeeColleton, ahh i see now08:12
t35t0rLeeColleton, will it be possible to update just using apt-get ?08:12
opibackup -- try it -- report back :)08:12
LeeColletonplus it's supported by a profit motivated corporation (Canonical Inc.)08:12
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LeeColletont35t0r: yes.  same tools, different repositories.08:13
LeeColletonstandard debian packages can be installed on an ubuntu system but it isn't advised08:13
t35t0rLeeColleton, well im seeing that currently there is no bleeding edge support08:13
t35t0rlike xorg 6.8 etc08:13
t35t0ror am i wrong ? ...as far as apt-get packages are concerned08:13
t35t0rfor the ubuntu repository08:14
LeeColletondpkg only handles dependencies based on version numbers, so it's thrown off by the repackaging into PACKAGE-ubuntuX.Y.Z08:14
t35t0rits not really bleeding edge since i think xorg 6.8+ i'm not sure what minor version it is ..my cygwin is at xorg or something hehe08:14
LeeColletont35t0r: ubuntu is a subset of debian, with some bugs fixed08:15
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Elim_ppc could someone tell me if the /boot/.map files which should be in lilo.conf is that the system.map-kernel-2.6.8 file?08:15
LeeColletonso, no; they might not have the same bleeding edge experimental software that you can get on a straight debian system08:15
t35t0rElim_ppc, huh08:16
t35t0rElim_ppc, those map files have nothing to do wit hthe boot loader08:16
Elim_ppcim doing a x86 install and i need to configure thelilo.conf08:16
bob2Elim_ppc: no you don't.08:17
bob2Elim_ppc: ubuntu uses grub, and sets it up for you by default.08:17
Elim_ppcwell all i get is 99 9 9 9 99 so yes i do08:17
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bob2Elim_ppc: grub didn't install itself successfully?08:17
Elim_ppccan't handle grub its confusing08:18
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bob2Elim_ppc: what's confusing about it?08:18
Elim_ppcno it all went pear shaped with grub08:18
Elim_ppci think its the way it labels the hard drives really odd i dont know how it works08:19
giorsatserious bug of ubuntu in a sis chipset. at first boot even with noapic nolapic nopcmcia apci=off in grub the sistem hangs with a usb1-1 timeout in usbepoin.out. I dont' know what to do. any help will be welcomed as soon as it comes. please..08:20
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t35t0rgirosat: what's the SIS chipset08:21
Elim_ppcill go on google again and keep searching.08:21
LeeColletonElim_ppc: just run "update-grub" and forget about it08:21
LeeColleton"sudo update-grub"08:21
bob2giorsat: has someone filed that bug yet?08:21
giorsatsis 5530. it works with mandrake 10 (kernel 2.6.3) 08:22
bob2Elim_ppc: if the default grub config doesn't work, it's a serious bug; can you double-check and file a bug please?08:22
giorsatit's a all in one computer lcd with sis650 graphic card. I know for sure pcmcia gives problems. bios doesn't allow to do mauch08:22
giorsatno filed bug. where?08:23
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Elim_ppcill file a bug in a minute i just want to try and get it working to see if it was my fault which it probably was.08:24
t35t0rgiorsat, what's the kernel on the ubuntu?08:25
Elim_ppc2.6.8.1 or similar.08:26
giorsat2.6.8.1 the one of ubuntu previe 4.1008:27
t35t0rsometimes having usb support built into the kernel or as module vice versa has these kinds of problems08:27
t35t0rso toggle it08:27
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giorsathow to toggle?08:28
t35t0rmake menuconfig from /usr/src/linux08:28
t35t0ri'm sure you've configured you're own kernel before?08:28
t35t0rif its built into the kernel compile it as a module08:29
bob2Elim_ppc: the default grub config should work.  did you change it?08:29
Elim_ppci have a felling it might be grub  from sid....08:29
giorsatnever compiled anything. how can I if I don't' boot?08:29
t35t0rohh boy08:30
bob2Elim_ppc: did you install ubuntu or upgrade from sid?08:30
t35t0rfigure out how to compile your own kernel ..08:30
pyramidHrdwr_BoB, you seem bothered by the fact that the bible was written by men....but remember these were not ordinary men...they were inspired by something capable of existing over eons of time08:30
HrdwrBoBI know people that have taken acid08:31
fridgeI've taken heaps of acid08:31
HrdwrBoBtell me you wouldn't be hallucinating after 40 days without food08:31
HrdwrBoBa man is a man.08:31
HrdwrBoBend of story08:31
fridgethats a funny story08:31
pyramidHrdwr_BoB, well i fail to see what acid has to do with Elias especially since he chose to be sawed in half...ordinary men don't do these things.08:31
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fridgewhy is ubuntu discussin religion?08:32
HrdwrBoBdo you know much about hallucinogenic drugs?08:32
HrdwrBoBfridge: good question08:32
HrdwrBoBpyramid: timecube.com08:32
HrdwrBoBthat site is for you08:32
pyramidHrdwr_BoB, Jesus said that he alone in the entire universe was life...he said before the universe was...I am...and that he was the alpha and the omega...the beginning and the end of all things.08:33
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HrdwrBoBI can say that too08:33
HrdwrBoBbut you would dismiss me as a fucking crackhead08:33
topylifridge: desmond tutu inspiration is starting to take over at #ubuntu :)08:33
HrdwrBoBso I put it to you that jesus was a crackhead08:33
pyramidHrdwr_BoB, not really...did i dismiss the person at www.holyshiite.com/caver08:33
HrdwrBoBno but I did because it's a fiction story08:34
HrdwrBoBstolen from elsewhere08:34
HrdwrBoBand butchered to suit08:34
fridgetopyli, haha08:34
pyramidHrdwr_BoB, well your belief system won't allow you to analyze the facts because how could it be fiction if it was unfinished.08:34
LeeColletonpyramid: I'm noticing a trend; you seem to be taken in easily by fictional stories08:35
HrdwrBoBmy beleif system told me to do a fucking basic search on google before accepting it was true08:35
HrdwrBoBwhich showed another story08:35
HrdwrBoBwritten YEARS earlier08:35
LeeColletonpyramid: Okay, I've got one...08:35
HrdwrBoBwhich was almost identical08:35
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pyramidLeeColleton, well...to me fiction is how the inorganic elements formed SUFFICIENTLY COMPEX molecules in order to sustain life.08:35
topyliHrdwrBoB: doesn't make it untrue. or true. it's up to you08:36
giorsatso... what can I do? or where find info ?08:36
topyliHrdwrBoB: Hrdwr_BoB very much fucks up my tab completion08:36
HrdwrBoByeah sorry about that, that's me at home08:36
LeeColletonpyramid: what does sufficiently complex mean?  Sufficient to overcome your deliberate disbelief?08:36
t35t0rpyramid, simply because you or i cannot understand doesn't mean there isn't a scientific explanation08:37
HrdwrBoBtopyli: it makes it so incredibly unlikely to be true that it should be assumed that it isn't unless it's proven otherwise08:37
topyliand HrdwrBoB is supposed to be someone who doesn't believe in supernatural things!08:37
fridgebut, in absence of that explanation08:37
pyramidLeeColleton, no the molecules must be very strategically put together to have SUFFICIENT complexity to SUSTAIN life.08:37
HrdwrBoBespecially given that that's a mirror or the site which also links to something awful08:37
t35t0rscience and western religions always have a difficult time ..this is not so with eastern cultures08:37
topylitwo places at the same time!08:37
fridgesaying god created it is just as valid as saying that theres an unexplained scientific phenonema at work08:37
pyramidLeeColleton, if they cannot sustain life it would cease to exist.08:38
HrdwrBoBt35t0r: indeed08:38
HrdwrBoBtopyli: OMG! :)08:38
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LeeColletonpyramid: okay, here's a great fiction:  One day, a ball of clay was covered by crystaline RNA that attracted free floating ammino acids which folded up into protiens and encapsulated the RNA and the ball of clay.  Thusly the first "living" cell was born out of "non-living" matter.08:38
LeeColletonVoila, life.08:39
HrdwrBoBthat's not true08:39
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HrdwrBoBI made life08:39
|trey|I have tried suns and blackdowns java... for some reason, it is deciding not to let me launch yahoo's java games (firefox dies instantaniously), anyone know what I could try, this has Just Work'ed TM in the past  :/08:39
|trey|(symlinked as required)08:39
HrdwrBoB|trey|: launched firefox on a console to see what the error is?08:39
pyramidHrdwr_BoB, you still miss the point where and how did the RNA form08:39
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|trey|Java is working on other sites08:39
HrdwrBoBpyramid: I made it08:39
bob2|trey|: did you get the right version of the JRE?08:40
wighey, i orderd the cds. how long that take to get to my ass?08:40
pyramidHrdwr_BoB, then you are God.08:40
|trey|bob2: before last install, this exact version worked...08:40
bob2wig: they'll be shipping soon after warty releases on the fifteenth of october.08:40
HrdwrBoBnow we're getting somewhere08:40
pyramidHrdwr_BoB, you see protein folding doesn't explain life.08:40
HrdwrBoBah but I can fold space08:40
HrdwrBoBhe who controls the spice controls the universe!08:40
pyramidHrdwr_BoB, you can't even fold space where it doesn't exist.08:41
HrdwrBoBthat's what you think08:41
wighow many cds you allowed to order?08:41
bob2wig: how many do you want?08:41
|trey|HrdwrBoB: hmm, running it from the console fixes it... still not working from launcher in panel though, weird...08:41
HrdwrBoB|trey|: haha heisenberg attacks again08:41
wigbob2, lol. i was just wondering how much they could do. cause remember that microsoft guy and he orderd 150?08:41
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pyramidHrdwr_BoB, the only thing Heisenberg got right was that we will be uncertain.08:42
bob2wig: I'm sure lots of MS people have ordered Ubuntu cds.08:42
wigbob2, no i mean the sp2 cds08:42
wigbob2, some guy ordered 15008:42
bob2wig: sp2 = Windows Service Pack 2?08:42
t35t0rwth would ms people do with ubuntu08:42
wigbob2, yeah08:42
|trey|HrdwrBoB: thats annoying... cept its saying something about maybe I'm behind a firewall? can't connect still... this is going to make me mad, yahoo pool is my time killer  :(08:42
bob2wig: oh, ok...08:42
wigbob2, yeah, he ordered 15008:43
wigcost m$ 1052 dollars. i ordered five myself.08:43
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wig(the limit)08:43
LeeColletonthe fact that space doesn't exist makes it so much easier to fold.08:43
HrdwrBoB|trey|: are you behind a firewall?08:43
t35t0rmaybe he has a beowulf cluster 08:43
pyramidLeeColleton, i fail to see how you manipulate something that doesn't exist in certain areas for you to have it to manipulate.08:44
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jalilhello all08:45
pyramidHrdwr_BoB, you see the bible was not written by one man...buy by many speaking with one constant voice over eons of time.08:45
asprocan anybody point me to where i might be able to configure sound card settings on ubuntu, i cant get my sound blaster audigy to play sound08:45
neighborleewhere do I get  kernel source package for ubuntu ? ( 2.6.8)..i'm not finding it in apt 08:45
HrdwrBoBpyramid: you don't know that08:45
HrdwrBoBneighborlee: it should be on the CD now iirc08:46
bob2neighborlee: linux-source- or so08:46
bob2aspro: it wasn't setup automatically?08:46
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neighborleenope..uname -r shows:
neighborleeill check cd 08:46
asprowell it was, along with about 7 other devices, and i think it may be playing to the wrong one08:46
pyramidHrdwr_BoB, yes i do....take the predicions of Isaiah...follow time to see that the constant voice was again and again...through many people....and remember Jesus said I AM.08:46
HrdwrBoBI AM08:47
HrdwrBoBI said that too08:47
HrdwrBoB^ see08:47
bwlanguh... this channel is about ubuntu linux right?08:47
HrdwrBoBit's even logged08:47
HrdwrBoBbwlang: ubuntu and existenialism :/08:47
t35t0ridentity is formed by community ? wow never would have guessed that08:47
bob2bwlang: yes, but there's lots of off-topic chatter at the moment08:47
pyramidHrdwr_BoB, well remember what Moses reported hearing and then I AM will begin to make sense.08:47
asproso, no manual config program? like, say the Red Hat sound config program?08:48
bob2aspro: no08:48
bob2aspro: if it didn't get it to work by default, please file a bug08:48
asprodang, well ill have to keep fiddling ;)08:48
asproi dont think its a bug08:48
bob2aspro: if sound doesn't Just Work, it's a bug08:48
asprono, i have more than one soundcard installed08:49
aspro(cant remove onbaord)08:49
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neighborleeHrdwrBoB, its not on cd...the cd is in my sources.list yet its only showing up to 2.6.7 ;-)08:49
bwlangaspro: you can probably disable it completey in the bios ...08:49
HrdwrBoBneighborlee: oh, that sucks, it will be in the repo though08:50
t35t0r"A self-sufficient human being is subhuman. I have gifts that you do not have, so consequently, I am unique--you have gifts that I do not have, so you are unique. God has made us so that we will need each other. We are made for a delicate network of interdependence." ..so am i to assume i will get no RTFM's in this channel no matter how ridiculously inept the question is ? hehhehe08:50
neighborleeHrdwrBoB, well oddly enough I can't find 2.6.8 source 'anywhere'08:50
HrdwrBoBt35t0r: we are but human08:50
t35t0rHrdwr_BoB, so says Tutu08:50
HrdwrBoBone of our faults may be intolerance of stupidity :)08:50
bob2neighborlee: linux-source- - Linux kernel source for version with Debian patches08:50
bwlangt35t0r: what's that quote from? 08:50
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bob2neighborlee: (as I said before)08:50
t35t0rbwlang, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/books/ubuntutheology08:50
topylitutu sounds like marx :)08:51
t35t0rhe sounds like he's ahead of his time08:51
HrdwrBoBnot reall08:52
t35t0rtopyli, i hope you don't equate marx with communism08:52
HrdwrBoBhumans have not really changed over the last few thousand years08:52
nuxhow to i register as a member of the Ubuntu community???  i cant find anything on the website08:52
topylit35t0r: surely not. not really with christianity either08:52
t35t0rtopyli, rockefeller had the same ideals08:53
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topylit35t0r: ideals scmideals. i'm interested in his analysis :)08:54
t35t0rhis analysis being that we can learn a great deal from each other ..to always look for the best in others08:54
t35t0r"what can i learn from this dude"08:54
t35t0rput bluntly08:54
topylioh you mean tutu. i'm talking about marx08:54
neighborleeI presume the kernel source for ubuntu would be in warty right?..problem is apt-get update keeps giving me this for warty:: Err http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Sources08:55
neighborlee  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)08:55
t35t0rahh he was a socialist utopian08:55
topylimarx? certainly not. he did analysis of capitalism, that's all really08:56
|trey|HrdwrBoB: happening again, says "Allocating more space for read msg 231; Segmentation fault" -- hopefully this is more enlightening for you then it is for me...08:56
t35t0ri'm sure he had to to look at both sides ..but a socialist he very much was08:56
|trey|Just tells me it died, I could see that  :/08:56
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HrdwrBoB|trey|: unfortunately not08:56
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LeeColletonnux: the Ubuntu communtiy is more a frame of mind than a roll call.  You can sign up for the mailing list or make a page on the Wiki or something.  There isn't an offical community members list AFAIK08:57
|trey|HrdwrBoB: that sucks... for some reason, it appears to work on the 20th try each time  :/08:57
|trey|Annoying  :/08:57
bwlang|trey|: segmentation fault means that the program has attempted to allocate memory that is already owned by another process... the OS disallows it... There is a bug in the program you're running08:57
|trey|I hate these little surprises when I reinstall  :/08:58
TreenaksLeeColleton: .. and why would there be :)08:58
nuxhow to i register as a member of the Ubuntu maintainer community???  i cant find anything on the website08:58
|trey|bwlang: I know what a seg fault is... I meant it doesn't enlighten me as to how to fix it... its official java... not much you can do  :/08:58
LeeColletonTreenaks: so we can be rounded up and arrested more easily?08:59
|trey|nux: on the site, under community >> participate08:59
HrdwrBoBbecause we are all subverting the common good08:59
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LeeColletonFreelance Subversion09:00
jblackDarnit. I can't get my printer to work.09:00
|trey|nux: also maintainers in the same list you found participate09:00
LeeColletonjblack: is it at least collecting unemployment?09:00
jblackWorks fine on another machine with magicfilter, but doesn't work with cups on ubuntu. 09:00
jblackleecolleton: Nope.09:00
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LeeColletonjblack: throw the bum out!09:00
jblackbut if I don't get it to work, then I might.09:00
bwlangjblack: what happens... 09:01
LeeColletonjblack: ...when you run Computer > System Configuration > Printing09:01
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jblackD [04/Oct/2004:03:02:22 -0400]  [Job 10]  Process dying with "The renderer command line09:02
jblack returned an unrecognized error code 255.", exit stat: 109:02
LeeColletonjblack: what kind of printer is it?09:03
jblackLee, actually, I'm not using gnome. But the same should still hold because cups is involved.09:03
jblacklee: Its an epson stylus color 820. Its worked with magicfilter and lprng for ages on another machine.09:03
topylijblack: why not use magicfilter and lprng then?09:03
bwlangjblack: are you printing from windows?09:03
jblackD [04/Oct/2004:03:02:22 -0400]  [Job 10]  renderer command:09:03
jblackD [04/Oct/2004:03:02:22 -0400]  [Job 10]  renderer return value: 25509:03
Treenaksjblack: maybe you're missing a program magicfilter requires?09:04
jblacktopyli: Because that machine is in the basement. I'd like the printer here with this machine. :) 09:04
Treenaks(ghostscript, for example)09:04
toolchestalright, just trying out ubuntu... where's modconf???09:04
jblacktreenaks: No. It works fine with magicfilter on the old machine. On this machine, which has ubuntu on it, printing no go.09:04
Treenakstoolchest: you don't need it, everything is loaded/detected automgically09:04
Treenakstoolchest: otherwise, edit /etc/modules manually09:04
topylijblack: so? use lprng on the ubuntu box too09:04
jblackWell, Mark told me that cups was great, so I'm trying to get it to work. :) 09:05
toolchestTreenaks: ok.09:05
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topylijblack: doesn't seem so great though does it?09:05
topylijblack: i tried cups too, now i'm running lpr :)09:06
bwlangjblack: i know cups works with your printer... - how is your printer connected?09:06
jblackbwlang: I've tried two ways, one through a parallel cable hooked up to a docking stations (which seems to be a usb device) and via a usb cable. 09:06
bwlangtry this to be sure that your computer is recognizing the printer... unplug the usb cable and plug it back in.09:07
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bwlangjblack: then run 'dmesg' from a command prompt... you should see something about the printer in the last couple of lines09:08
jblackYes. when I remove the computer from the docking station, /dev/lp0 and /dev/lp1 disapear, and when I plug it back in, they show back up09:08
jblackHere's one:09:09
jblackusb 7-1: new full speed USB device using address 309:09
jblackdrivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 3 if 0 alt 1 proto 209:09
jblack vid 0x067B pid 0x230509:09
jblackand here's the other:09:09
jblackusb 4-4.1: new full speed USB device using address 1209:09
jblackdrivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 12 if 0 alt 0 proto09:09
jblack2 vid 0x04B8 pid 0x000509:09
bwlangjblack: okay so remember usblp009:09
bwlanggo to this web page  http://localhost:631/09:09
|trey|jblack: the removal and appearance of the printer is normal via sysfs/udev09:09
jblackYou mean /dev/usb/lp0 and /dev/usb/lp1 ? 09:09
jblackbwlang: Ok. I'm there09:10
bwlangjblack: go to the manage printers link... 09:10
jblackOk. I'm there.09:11
bwlangjblack: then click on modify button for your pinter09:11
jblackIt says the device URI is usb://EPSON/Stylus%20Photo%2082009:11
jblackand it says the printer state is idle and accepting jobs09:11
bwlangjblack: you should get a page with a name... just conitnue..09:12
jblackActually, when I clicked on "manage printers" It took me to a page showing epson.09:12
jblackregarding continue, I don't see a continue button09:12
jblackI can print a test page, reject jobs, modify printer, etc.09:12
bwlangjblack: i'm about to lose my battery power ... jblack: then click on modify button for your pinter09:13
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soleblazeis there a package for the kernel source used with ubuntu?09:13
jblackwants a username and password.09:13
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bwlangsomebodyl else will have to take over... use your username and password... i'm outtta juice09:14
bwlanggood luck09:14
jediis this the official home of the ubuntu live cd?: http://people.no-name-yet.com/~mdz/ubuntu-live/current/09:14
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|trey|jedi: mdz is usually here... I don't think thats an official part of ubuntu yet...09:15
LeeColletonjedi: you mean http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/ubuntu-live/current/ ?09:15
Mithrandirjedi: it's not official as it is fairly outdated; we'll be having an official livecd at some point09:15
jediok thanks all!09:16
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|trey|speak of the devil  :)09:17
LeeColletonmight the acpi interface be fixed to support the IBM thinkpad X30?  I'm getting really tired of shutting down my laptop whenever I move it.09:18
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|trey|mdz: jedi here is wondering about the ubuntu livecd  :)09:18
LeeColletonI've tried booting with acpi=off and loading the apm module but the machine hangs with a black screen on resume09:18
mdz|trey|: we have a new live CD release which should go up today09:19
jblackHmmm. I wonder if having cupsys-driver-gimpprint would help09:19
|trey|mdz: yay  :)09:19
cleemdz: so when are the shipit CDs going out? :)09:19
mdzclee: once we have a final release to put on them :-)09:19
cleemdz: so... tomorrow? :)09:19
=== |trey| is starting to contemplate killing everyone related to java on earth... grrr
mdzclee: 13 October09:20
mdzis the target09:20
cleemdz: dude, sweet.09:20
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LeeColletonmdz: great!  That's just in time for the NWSocialForum09:20
|trey|LeeColleton: makes sense, a lot of things will probably get better set up at release time... right now its a very young project  :)09:21
=== |trey| thinks ubuntu should try to even have something like fedorazine on the site also, a more comprehensive dwn :)
=== |trey| doesn't read mailing lists enough to help though :(
LeeColleton|trey|: http://planet.ubuntulinux.org/09:22
Treenaks|trey|: "fedorazine" sounds like some kind of medication09:23
|trey|Treenaks: heh... www.fedorazine.com09:23
|trey|LeeColleton: thanks  :)  still not really the same, but I enjoy reading planets  :)09:23
joemeww, that site has way to much going on09:24
joemmakes my eyes bleed09:24
|trey|joem: heh... just saying the stuff on the right  :)09:24
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|trey|the left is kinda busy though  :/09:24
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tvontis a bit much...the double-left-column thing only really works well when they are very cleanly done09:25
bob2LeeColleton: is suspend under linux known to work on your on your laptop?09:26
soleblazehey what do i need to put in the source.list file for the archive.debian.com mirror?09:27
bob2soleblaze: you mean ubuntu?09:27
tvonsoleblaze: not a good idea unless you really know what you are doing...buuuuuut: 09:27
bob2soleblaze: uncomment the lines for universe that are there.09:27
tvon#deb     http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free09:27
soleblazei'm trying to get this working via a diskless setup09:28
mdz|trey|: we have Ubuntu Traffic for that09:28
soleblazeand i'm working on it inbetween the first and second install part.. and it didn't have source.list setup09:28
soleblazei gota friend to send me it..thanks09:28
jblackwhoo. I got print09:29
tvonignore what I pasted then09:29
LeeColletonbob2: yes.  It's worked with Redhat and Debian for the past two years09:29
tvonsoleblaze: http://paste.plone.org/161809:29
bob2LeeColleton: fil a bug on the linux-image package09:29
LeeColletonNever got it to work with acpi but apm has been fine09:29
kremlynWow the take-up for ubuntu is phenomenal.09:30
tvonkremlyn: it took Gentoo 3 slashdottings to get this many people into IRC :-D09:30
kremlynI wonder if ubuntu will ever compete with Fedora09:31
bob2it already competes with Fedora09:31
kremlynIt's got a much better base to start with ;-)09:31
soleblazediskless is a major pita to setup 09:32
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|trey|grrr @ java still... we really need a package in universe that doesn't suck... I'm on my 4th or 5th different external source, and I'm about to start shooting people  :'(09:36
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|trey|All doing the same thing... I don't get it  :(  maybe is yahoo's fault, but it works like 1/30 tries... odd  :(09:37
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fabbione|trey| java packages that i use: deb http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian ./09:38
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jblackOk. Got it working.09:38
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LeeColletonright.  apm does horrible things to my laptop.  several bug reports are filed on this matter already.09:39
|trey|fabbione: trying, need to symlink with that?09:40
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fabbione|trey|: works out of the box for me09:41
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|trey|ps, someone kick the servers, getting less then 100kb/s  :(09:42
fabbioneof coruse you will have to restart mozilla & co. to recongnize the new plugin09:42
El_Chebig channel and only beta out :)09:42
|trey|fabbione: k, thanks, firefox?09:42
fabbionebut that's it09:42
fabbione|trey|: dunno for firefox. i use mozilla 09:42
fabbione(the full version)09:42
y0anni get a big kernel crash installing with 2 network card09:42
|trey|fabbione: ahh, ok, then probably... ouch @ mozilla though... that thing hates me  :(09:43
El_CheI am to by an wireless router and wireless pcmcia network card. Any tips of something well supported in ubuntu/linux?09:43
jblackapparently I was missing a package or two.09:43
bob2El_Che: orinoco shipsets still seem to be the best supported09:44
|trey|fabbione: ahh, for future reference, it does indeed provide plugin for firefox also, fingers crossed as to whether it works though  :)09:44
El_Chebob2: have a look at that, thx09:44
|trey|fabbione: nope, same thing  :/09:44
|trey|fabbione: care to try games.yahoo.com/pl real fast for me?09:45
|trey|Click on a table, tell me if it works09:45
|trey|Hmm, its saying the plugin isn't there  :/09:46
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fabbione|trey|: seems to work ok here09:48
ronaldraygunhow would one go about installing ubuntu to a laptop with no cd-rom drive?09:48
bob2ronaldraygun: can it boot using PXE or netboot or something?09:48
ronaldraygunno pxe, and i'm not even sure what netboot is09:48
ronaldrayguni tried doing something with debian but it won't boot the floppies i write from the img files09:49
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bob2how old is it?09:49
ronaldrayguni'm not sure if it's my img writer or the computer09:49
ronaldraygun7 years old09:49
|trey|fabbione: grr... still nothing here... this is annoying... each plugin has worked on other sites  :/09:49
bob2that would be pretty slow at running gome...09:49
bob2er, gnome...09:49
asprookay ive narrowed my problem down, how can i change the sound device that ALSA uses by default?09:50
ronaldrayguni'm not interested in a gui09:50
ronaldraygunall i really need is network capabilities and mplayer09:50
kremlynThen install debian :-)09:50
ronaldraygunyes, well, seeing as i can't get the floppies to boot09:50
ronaldraygunand fedora won't fit on floppies09:50
kremlynIf you aren't interested in a GUI, don't use Fedora09:51
bob2if it can't boot floppies, or network and has no cd...09:51
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ronaldrayguni don't know about the network09:51
bob2check if you're making the floppise correctly09:51
ronaldraygunit's a pcmcia network card that i've got for it, but i haven't got a clue about netboot09:51
ronaldraygunbob: yeah, i already have.  i'd try it on a different computer but i don't have one handy09:52
bob2you've checked the md5sums match?09:52
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ronaldraygunhow do i do that?09:52
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bob2stick the disk in a machine and run "md5sum /dev/fd0"09:54
ronaldraygunwell it looks like it may be my floppy drive misbehaving because it's giving i/o errors for md5sum09:57
ronaldraygunthis laptop boots the win98 disc fine09:58
ronaldraygunis it possible to put an iso of the cd on the drive somewhere and install fro mthere?09:59
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|trey|What is the difference between a link that shows up red with black bg, and an aqua link?10:00
|trey|Other plugins are former, java is latter... could be why its not working?10:01
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|trey|NO one here can tell me the difference?10:06
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bob2maybe no one knows?10:07
doko|trey|: the red one points to nirwana. try ls -lL <symlink>10:07
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Titbreadhey channel10:07
Titbreadi'm pretty much a newbie to linux altogether10:08
Titbreadi have a mandrake 9.2 box but i'm waiting for my copy of ubuntu to come in the post10:08
Titbreadi was wondering if I could help out on the development of it - im a graphic designer10:08
|trey|doko: ahh, thanks10:08
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|trey|grr... I just don't get it... why would java work everywhere but one site... the only site I even download java for  :/10:09
|trey|5 or 6 different versions of java, none work on the site I want them to  :/10:09
bob2|trey|: what file had a red symlink?10:09
|trey|bob2: flash plugins... not important right now, I guess I'll reinstall flashplayer-mozilla tomorrow or something  :/10:10
cypher1001hey channel, just installed ubuntu :), i installed kernel source throught synaptic, but it's not int /usr/src/2.6.x.x ?? where can i find kernel source? pls?10:10
Treenakscypher1001: dpkg -L <package name> to see what's in a package10:11
Treenakscypher1001: on a command line10:11
bob2cypher1001: er, are you sure you need it?10:11
bob2Titbread: I'm sure your offer would be appreciated, try posting to the ubuntu-devel list?10:12
Titbreadim like brand new to linux10:12
Titbreadwhats a devel list?10:12
cleeTitbread: a development mailinglist10:12
Titbread(sorry for my ignorance im sure its anoying)10:12
bob2Titbread: it's the mailing list where discussions about the developmentof Ubuntu happen10:12
calcclee: still awake :)10:12
Se7hCedega rulz10:13
Titbreadok how can i use that10:13
cleecalc: dude, I don't sleep.10:13
bob2Titbread:  http://lists.ubuntu.com/ 10:13
bob2Titbread: go and subscribe to it, and then just send an email to ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com10:13
bob2Titbread: if you don't want to subscribe, mention thaty in your message so people will CC you10:13
Titbreadand then that sends an email to all the subscripers?10:13
cleeTitbread: yep.10:13
bob2Titbread: yes.10:14
bob2Titbread: CC = carbon copy...10:14
Titbreadohhh right10:14
Titbreadbob2: would you know how i can broadcast internet radio from my linux box?10:14
|trey|Titbread: look into icecast10:14
bob2Titbread: icecast, I guess10:14
Titbread|trey|: Thanks alot mate10:15
|trey|a lot10:15
Titbreadbob2: Thanks10:15
cypher1001yes, i need the kernel-source, looks like its in kernel-package? correct..i need to compile kernel module for my wireless nic...i have done this on Suse 9.1, and FC2 where kernel-source is in /usr/src/2.XXX...where is it in ubuntu?10:15
Titbread|trey|: no need to be pickey on spelling dude ;)10:15
|trey|Titbread: not having a good night... 10:15
Treenakscypher1001: are your sure your wireless nic is not supported in Ubuntu ?10:15
Titbreadbob2: I will hopefully be able to produce some better graphics for the linux community -- AND FUCK MICROSOFTS SHITTY OS OVER!!!10:16
bob2cypher1001: no, it's not10:16
bob2cypher1001: it's in the linux-source-2.6.8 package10:16
cypher1001not sure, smc 2635w pcmcia10:16
Titbreadbob2: Check my companies site http://www.retinalnerve.com10:16
bob2cypher1001: it's probably supported out of the box10:16
Treenakscypher1001: that's just prism54 -- and supported natively10:16
|trey|Titbread: what is shitty about Microsofts software in your eyes?10:16
bob2cypher1001: if it has Free drivers, at least10:16
Treenakscypher1001: otherwise it's atmel-based, and that works too10:16
Treenakscypher1001: just plug it in10:17
|trey|Titbread: and how will graphics overcome this?10:17
Titbread|trey|: Well I build a new machine, installed it, went online and within 15 minutes my pc starts behaving odly (programs hang, os hangs, lags, its slow)10:17
Titbread|trey|: People are naive - they think good graphics = good programming, and good software10:17
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|trey|Titbread: good luck with that philosophy  :/10:17
Titbread|trey|: look at the average user... they think windows xp is better then windows 2000 or 98 just because its got a smoother interface10:17
bob2|trey|: please stop it.10:18
Titbread|trey|: If linux is ever going to become what it should, then making it look gorgues is gotta be a benefit10:18
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|trey|bob2: sorry10:18
cypher1001this smc uses ralink rt2400 chip, i have it working under suse just fine, all i need is kernel source...:) thanks for replys10:18
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lypanovi built a machine with ubuntu linux and my screen doesn't work wireless certainly doesn't work and i've no idea how to use my dvd burner, with linux otoh, all worked :P10:18
Titbread|trey|: I just think ur propaly some geek who's sooo burning up with hate that he doesnt like new ideas and wished everyone would just use comand prompt - but that cant be the way forward10:18
bob2cypher1001: then it's highly likely ubuntu includes it already10:18
lypanovTitbread: sure it can10:19
lypanovTitbread: just gotta make the command prompt all pretty10:19
cypher1001yeah, i have the source for rt2400, i just need kernel source...that's all 10:19
Treenakscypher1001: No, we mean it's highly likely it works with the DEFAULT kernel10:19
Titbread|trey|: Remember like 70% of the world are dumb as fuck - if u want linux to take over u gotta cater for them 2, and yeh they think something tht looks good - is good10:19
lypanovcypher1001: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.8-110:19
plovscypher1001, wouldn't kernel headers be enough? or linux-restricted-modules?10:20
Titbreadlypanov: Then retinalnerve.com will make the command prompt look pretty10:20
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|trey|Titbread: dude, stfu, I was asked to stop rebutting you.10:20
Titbread|trey|: Stfu ur self10:20
Titbread|trey|: Im only trying to help the community10:20
|trey|lol such maturity, no seriously10:20
Titbread|trey|: maturity? lol im 1710:21
lypanovTitbread: :p10:21
|trey|Titbread: never would have guessed...10:21
Titbread|trey|: and i run a web design business - please lets not let this get personal10:21
bob2|trey|: Titbread please?10:21
joemguys, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct10:21
Titbread|trey|: and what are you some 30 year old looser who's fucked about 2 girls in his entire life .. nice one :)10:21
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Titbread|trey|: stop being a dick10:21
bob2Titbread: stop it10:21
Titbreadk i'll stop10:21
crimsunthis need go no further.10:21
lypanovTitbread: prove yourself :) just make the pics and he'll have nothing to say10:21
bob2Titbread: please can you remain civil?10:22
cleelypanov: dude, don't encourage him.10:22
Titbreadnot only will i proove myself10:22
lypanovclee: well if the guys good who cares10:22
stevedHrm. Is ubuntulinux.org's Documentation Search feature searching search.plone.org for anyone else? :)10:22
Titbreadi'll make linux accessable10:22
cypher1001apt-get install linux-source-2.6.8*10:22
cypher1001did the trick10:22
lypanovcypher1001: yay10:22
|trey|Soo... I was having issues with Java...10:22
Titbreadi'll remain cicil10:23
cypher1001thanks alot :)10:23
lypanovcypher1001: np :)10:23
Titbreadi jus find it anoying when geeks get all up their own asses and dont want to hear new ideas10:23
lypanovcypher1001: i needed it yesterday for ndiswrapper :P10:23
lypanovTitbread: and we get annoyed when you call us geeks :)10:23
lypanovTitbread: when > 2 girls makes u a slut anyways. so shut it :)10:23
TitbreadWhy geek = someone who knows about pcs10:23
cleeTitbread: It's generally not very welcome for someone who's "new to Linux" to come in here and tell us what we need to do to "make it"10:23
lypanovyoyo clee btw :)10:24
cleeoyoy, lyp :)10:24
TitbreadAHAHAHAHA WHAT THE FUCK!!?? I'd screwed more girls then that when i was 14 fo fucks sake!!10:24
cleelypanov: how's rubidium coming along?10:24
cypher1001i didn't bother to try ndiswrapper..10:24
plovssteved, works fine here10:24
Titbreadyeh im a slut10:24
lypanovTitbread: then your a slut :)10:24
lypanovTitbread: :P10:24
TitbreadLike i care10:24
lypanovcypher1001: i don't have native :|10:24
Titbreadu'll be whacking off the films im in next year probably10:24
Titbreadso stfu10:24
lypanovTitbread: lol10:24
Titbreadall i wanted to do was help out the linux community10:24
lypanovTitbread: anyways. draw some pics :)10:24
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Titbreadretinal nerve will draw the pics10:25
lypanovyay yay yay10:25
Titbreadan then u'll all be like "uhh this looks better, now it feels better, maybe tht lil kid was right"10:25
lypanovclee: its on a break atm10:25
stevedplovs: Okay, thanks.10:25
|trey|Titbread: I fail to see how the amount of girls you've been with is relivant to anything? just for the record, I am a 20 yo that has been with 38 girls and counting though... just to prove you wrong  :/10:25
lypanovclee: moved into new flat last night :)10:25
cleelypanov: oh? how's that going?10:25
lypanovclee: nice nice :)10:25
calctake it to #kiddiepr0n already10:25
Titbread|trey|: Thats quite sad dude - u actually remember the number10:26
|trey|Titbread: I have had 6 ex's have abortions too, wow, yeah, I'm so cool10:26
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Titbread|trey|: no ur dick - use a fucking condom numb nuts10:26
lypanovclee: its got erm, a blow up bed, a powerpuff girls floor matt, and a table for my laptop :P10:26
|trey|Titbread: can't cum with a condom  :/  this is kinda ot though  :/10:26
lypanovclee: i kind of need to furnish it i think :P10:26
cleelypanov: heh.10:26
crimsunk didn't you two agree to stop this name-calling?10:26
Titbread|trey|: Do you know how much abortions fuck a girl up10:26
cleelypanov: when are you coming out here to visit, dude?10:26
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|trey|Titbread: quite aware, thanks  :/10:26
bob2Titbread: stop it10:26
lypanovyay. silence :)10:27
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Titbread|trey|: Not untill that little prick stops being a bell end10:27
bob2|trey|: we do not care at all about your sex life.10:27
bob2Titbread: dude, come on10:27
lypanovclee: no idea, but i'm 100% certain that i'll make ols next year :P10:27
Titbreadits cool i dont care10:27
Titbreadthat geezer brought it up10:27
|trey|bob2: bah, I'm frustrated... seems like as good a person as any to take it out on...10:27
bob2Titbread: and  you continuted it, on and on and on10:27
bob2|trey|: no, that is not acceptable10:27
|trey|Titbread: message me if you're as bored as you want, others don't need to hear/see it  :/10:27
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calcbob2: just put them on /ignore as everyone else has, once an op wakes up they will end up banned10:27
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Titbreadohh great10:28
Titbreadi get banned for trying to draw graphics10:28
bob2Titbread: no10:28
bob2Titbread: just fucking leave it10:28
Titbreadohhh yeh sorry10:28
|trey|Titbread: no, you get banned for being disruptive.10:28
bob2|trey|: stop it10:28
bob2jesus christ, are you 3 years old?10:28
Titbreadi'll get banned because some guy was in a bad mood10:28
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lypanovbob2: i don't know any 3 years old that know those words to be honest :p10:29
Titbreadfucking hell - this is why open source remains soo underground - look at ur attitudes10:29
crimsunhullo dyn10:29
Titbreadim TRYING TO HELP10:29
dynhow do you usually install mplayer on ubuntu? do you have an apt sources line for it?10:29
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lypanovclee: rubydium is sweet btw. i have a stable version10:29
bob2Titbread: stop it.  I pointed you at the place to offer your help, and then you got into a stupid fight with someone.10:29
lypanovclee: i could write a pretty funky standard lib with it now :)10:30
bob2Titbread: just leave it, and write that email!10:30
plovsdyn, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions10:30
lypanovclee: its pretty dang 1337 :)10:30
crimsundyn: usually add marillat lines. They should be available in synaptic.10:30
cleelypanov: nice :)10:30
stevedHmm. tseng's mono repo seems to be....dead. Is there a backup anywhere?10:30
Titbreadnaah cant be bothered now10:30
lypanovis there a ndiswrapper repo btw?10:30
lypanovself compiling kinda sux :/10:30
dynplovs: lol thanks, gotta read other faq too then10:30
dyncrimsun: let me google on that..10:30
Titbreadfor every open minded linux user there's like 50 like |trey|10:30
plovsdyn, it has the marillat repo in it10:30
Titbreadwhats the point in helping people who'll just be arrogant10:30
dyncrimsun: though i still seem to prefer good-ol'-console apt, not synaptic10:31
crimsundyn: try the faq as plovs suggested10:31
Titbreadi'll jus keep making money10:31
lypanovmaybe main faq should have a Q: Is there another faq?: A: Yes the wiki10:31
dyncrimsun: reading it already man10:31
crimsundyn: k :)10:31
bob2Titbread: well, that's a shame, but good luck.10:31
Titbreadyeh whatever10:31
Titbread|trey|: I'll send you a pack of durex featherlites - maybe ur jimmy can jizz then u fucking freak go back to ur gloomy bedroom and wank over pictures of hitler10:32
bob2Titbread: can you please stop being so abusive?10:33
plovsinteristing i ignored some users on this channel and they still pop up? how do i ignore with xchat?10:33
lypanovplovs: switch to irssi? :P10:33
|trey|plovs: /ignore <user> all10:33
Titbreadnot untill he apologises and says he will change his attitude towards newbies trying to help the linux community - its people like him that put me off ever wanting to help10:33
Titbread|trey|: apologise10:34
plovslypanov, i use irssi, but with xchat  on top10:34
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stevedignore Titbread10:34
joemYou are preventing help from being given by flooding the chan with garbage nobody needs nor cares to read10:34
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Titbreadok ez10:34
lypanovsomeone just go into #freenode10:34
joemif you have a genuine question, then ask10:34
lypanovfind the op's that are available and get him banned10:34
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Titbreadsoz channel ez10:35
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|trey|lypanov: only bad thing about that... they don't let everyone talk  :/10:35
lypanovclee: i switched over to darcs btw :)10:35
cleelypanov: darcs? wtf for?10:35
lypanovclee: arch sux :)10:35
calclypanov: just get him klined ;)10:35
cleedude, that's even more obscure than tla :)10:35
lypanovclee: it works :P10:35
lypanovclee: i didn't have to read any docs, it just worked10:35
lypanovclee: freaked me out10:36
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cleeI'm quite happy with tla so far10:36
Titbreadwell cheers for the email an stuff, safe10:36
lypanovclee: i have a 2gb revlib on my laptop that only has 4gb of space10:36
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cleelypanov: ... so remove some shit from it.10:36
lypanovclee: i'm not my computers mum. i'm sick of admining stuff that can't just control itself10:36
cleelypanov: or - god forbid - buy a laptop with a larger-than-4g-hd :)10:37
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lypanovclee: my linux part was tiny10:37
lypanovclee: oh btw. i'm on ubuntu on my laptop now at last :)10:37
lypanovclee: no more windoze :>10:37
mkyc-ubuntuanyone know if there is a citrix ica client as a deb ?10:37
cleelypanov: congrats. :)10:37
lypanovclee: shame that default ubuntu is a *bitch* to install on this thing10:37
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bob2mkyc-ubuntu: it's Free Sofwtare?10:38
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mkyc-ubuntudont know bob210:38
petemcthere is10:38
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petemcit wont work through a ssl relay though10:38
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mkyc-ubuntuactually i think i may need to do an install of the citrix one for this10:39
mojohi all ppl,!10:39
joemhi mojo10:39
mojoI feel a bit annoyed about GNOME Ubuntu new menu system10:40
mojothe Java 2 Webstart was not added to the menu like other distro10:40
azeemmojo: what's Java 2 Webstart?10:40
|trey|azeem: java prefs... usually unneeded  :/10:40
cleemojo: dude, Java 5 is out. ;)10:40
mojowhen u install J2SDK10:41
mojothey will install the icon on the menu10:41
mojoI mean J2SDK 1.50 for 510:41
cleegod. Sun's naming conventions are so screwed.10:41
dynclee: it's not a clear choice for users though10:41
azeemmojo: does ubuntu support J2SDK? I guess not10:41
dynit's about marketing+politics10:41
|trey|azeem: no10:41
mojoat least Ubuntu should modify to let Sun Java icon added10:41
dynnot naming conventions10:41
azeemmojo: fix Sun Java10:42
mojoSun Java installer is generic for all distros10:42
azeemmojo: I don't think ubuntu has it blacklisted or anything10:42
mojob/c Ubuntu is a bit tweaked10:42
mojonot turn out like I want10:42
azeemso Sun Java should be adopted to ubuntu as well10:42
azeemperhaps you can just edit the .desktop file the Sun Java installer installs?10:43
Se7hcedega realy owns10:43
Se7hdoes anyone uses it?10:43
|trey|azeem: easier said then done... you have to get a license from sun to distribute it...10:43
azeem|trey|: oh ;)10:43
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mojoit'd be nice10:43
azeemthen get Sun to fix it...10:43
mojoif developers give a patch10:43
|trey|azeem: the only distro with a license that I know of is SUSE...10:43
mojowhen you install Sun Java10:43
mojothen .desktop file will be added in10:44
mojosome1 must jump in10:44
mojoand give Ubuntu a hand on doc10:44
Se7hguess not10:45
Se7hwell u should ;P10:45
mojodocumentation rite now for Ubuntu is quite poor10:45
bob2mojo: you can help.10:45
plovsmojo, ubuntu is not even out yet10:45
mojoI'm really bad at English, I can only program Java10:45
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mojoseems to me10:46
mojonot many ppl here are German10:46
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mojoSe7h: hey I got cedega runs super well here!10:47
Se7hmojo :D10:47
Se7hit rokx man10:47
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Se7hat the first view it seemed to run better than windows10:48
mojoit runs War3 faster10:48
mojodun know y it runs faster10:48
opi^workre from work10:48
mojoweird heh? emulation is faster than native10:48
Se7hon their homepage10:48
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joemits not emulation10:49
Se7hnot there10:49
Se7hbut i red somewhere10:49
plovshow do i get a list of *all* the bugs in bugzilla?10:49
Se7h"it runs better in cedega"10:49
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mojoSe7h: u got PointtoPlay?10:49
joemplovs select every possible status and query with no terms10:50
plovsjoem, ok10:50
plovsjoem, duh, that was too easy, time for coffee10:51
opi^workplovs: oh, coffee.. thanks for reminder ;p10:53
dyns/win32codecs/w32codecs/g @ http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions10:57
dynif someone got the rights to correct the docos on wiki10:57
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tof--is there some mirror for source.list ?11:02
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Treenakstof--: what do you mean?11:02
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opi^worktof--: like, other FTP hosts with Ubuntu packages?11:02
Mithrandirtof--: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive11:03
tof-- http://archive.ubuntu.com is very slow for me11:03
fridgeuse a mirror11:04
opi^workthere's a list of mirrors there11:04
mkyc-ubuntuok i must be confused11:04
mkyc-ubuntuhow does one 'run' a shell script11:04
aspromkyc-ubuntu, sh script.sh11:05
opi^workmkyc-ubuntu: first line of script11:05
opi^workmkyc-ubuntu: add #!/bin/myfavshell11:05
mkyc-ubuntuahh i see11:05
opi^workmkyc-ubuntu: then chmod u+x11:05
opi^workor ue aspro way :)11:05
mkyc-ubuntuaspro ?11:06
mkyc-ubuntuoh i see11:06
opi^workhis way, aspro way ;P11:06
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mkyc-ubuntuworked like a charm - cheers11:07
mkyc-ubuntubah @ citrix and its need to have netscape installed to install the client11:08
mkyc-ubuntuhope it accepts mozilla as netscape seeing as how it doesnt accept firefox :P11:09
petemcmkyc-ubuntu: have you tried tsclient?11:10
iMicXmkyc-ubuntu, which citrix is that? I've never had netscape?11:11
mkyc-ubuntuyes but doesnt appear to work properly with my full desktop thru csg11:11
mkyc-ubuntulinux client11:11
petemcmkyc-ubuntu: citrix secure gateway? good luck with that11:11
mkyc-ubuntutell me about it - i support it for a living :(11:11
petemcmkyc-ubuntu: you'll need to try the java client, and embed the certificate in it, its a royal pita11:11
iMicXmkyc-ubuntu, I just dl the client from citrix and install it. no problem so far, but no csg either :)11:12
mkyc-ubuntuso it seems but i have a client who needs to do it on linux.... and work said they can so i have t o work out how :)11:12
petemcdont waste your time on anything other than the java client tho11:13
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mkyc-ubuntubut its a good thing for me to learn as it means i can move one step closer to linux only here :)11:13
petemcand you need the java sdk installed on the linux machine, and use keytool to import the cert11:13
mkyc-ubuntui may not need to.. thinking about it now..11:13
petemckeep thinking that :)11:13
mkyc-ubuntulol no i mean it may work another way11:14
petemci know11:14
mkyc-ubuntuyes well i can pray :)11:14
petemcwell, it doesnt for me, running nfuse on apache tomcat11:14
iMicXcitrix used to be good, but it's gone to wack11:15
mkyc-ubuntuwell the server isnt here, im just trying to connect to it11:15
iMicXyou'd think their mac and unix clients would be their best, but no, it's windows they concentrate on...11:16
morgancCan anybody recommend an RSS aggregator on ubuntu?11:16
Zindarmorganc, I use blam11:17
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Zindarmorganc, add deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./11:17
iMicXblam, but I havent done it on ubuntu11:17
mkyc-ubuntuwell iMicX citrix IS designed to run on windows servers so it does sort of make sense i guess in a sad way11:17
morgancZindar: Thanks, I'll check it out.11:17
Zindarblam works great on ubuntu11:17
martynhey all11:17
iMicXmkyc-ubuntu, seur, but it was supposed to be thin client any client11:18
martynjust installed ubuntu (first time user of a debian type system) - must say - its *superb*11:18
iMicXbbl teatime11:18
mkyc-ubuntui know iMicX but it does work on any client, its just the web stuff with CSG is a bit painfull on some 11:19
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kremlynHow can one bring up/down an interface based on the configuration settings in /etc/network/interfaces11:21
kremlynRather than using ifconfig, which requires all the parameters etc.11:21
Hrdwr_BoBkremlyn: ifup11:21
Kamionkremlyn: 'ifup eth0', 'ifdown eth0', and similar.11:21
kremlynAhh ok, and they will check /etc/network/interfaces11:21
Hrdwr_BoBps:you suck wang 11:22
kremlynThanks people :-)11:22
Hrdwr_BoBI mean hi :)11:22
kremlynheh, y0 Hrdwr_BoB11:22
kremlynIt was news to me about ifup/ifdown11:22
kremlynI thought they were Red Hat things11:22
Hrdwr_BoBthey are generic now11:22
Hrdwr_BoBthough I have nothing against them11:23
kremlynWell they can't be generic, they have to be modified to look at the right underlying script ;-)11:23
azeemDebian/Ubuntu is not using RedHat's implementation of ifupdown11:23
Hrdwr_BoBgeneric commands you tool :P11:23
=== kremlyn wants a big review of Ubuntu in some Linux mag
Treenakskremlyn: no, in a general computer mag. :)11:24
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kremlynTreenaks: Yeah that too :-)11:25
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andredShould it be possible to use Firefox's update feature to apply a security fix, or does that require root priviliges? Trying to use it here fails.11:30
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Kamionandred: no, if anything we should remove that feature from our Firefox.11:33
KamionThere should be an updated package with the security fix soon, if there isn't already.11:33
Treenaksthere isn't yet11:33
Treenaksat least, not according to the warty-changes list11:33
kremlynWhat's the security issue?11:33
james_has there been any talk of an ubuntu forum yet?11:34
andredKamion, That's what I'm thinking, we probably shouldn't have Firefox's update thing there if we do our own fixes.11:34
Kamionjames_: lots. there will be one as soon as we figure out how to integrate it with the mailing lists (if we can)11:34
plovsandred, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=198511:35
lypanovwhats the suggested gnome pdf viewer these days?11:36
andredlypanov, gpdf11:36
subterrificgpdf if you don't need to print11:36
Zindarxpdf is default in ubuntu11:36
subterrificxpdf if you need to print11:36
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lypanovi just want a nice looking interface :P11:36
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Zindarbecause gpdf can't do some font, searching and print11:36
Zindarxpdf is also faster11:36
plovslypanov, acroread is in universe11:37
cleeacroread doesn't have a "nice interface"11:37
cleenot by a long shot11:37
lypanovgpdf is cute :)11:37
lypanovplovs: acroread looks awful :)11:38
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lypanovacroread crashes all the time even on windows11:38
lypanovits useless11:38
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Riddellisn't universe ment to be all free software?11:38
plovslypanov, it doesn't crash here but yes, it looks *awfull*11:39
bob2Riddell: no, it's nearly all of Debian sid11:39
bob2which is nearly all of it11:39
lypanovplovs: haven't crashed it on linux. but a few times when using multiple docs on windows11:40
plovslypanov, serves you right, windows! :)11:41
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Riddellso what is multiverse?11:42
andredbob2, So why the distinct "restricted"?11:43
Kamionandred: that's a distinction from main, not from universe.11:43
KamionRiddell: something that doesn't exist yet, but was being discussed at the last technical board meeting ...11:43
Riddellah, ok11:44
nunagwould someone do a ps aux and tell me if the PIDs are contiguous?11:45
Treenaksnunag: uh?11:45
bob2nunag: no, they will not be11:45
Zindarnunag, why would they be11:45
bob2andred: restricted is non-Free driver stuff, afaik11:45
Kamionwe don't do AIX-style randomized pids, mind11:45
nunagthey are on my slackware11:46
maswanKamion: Neither does AIX, in my experience.11:46
Treenaksmaswan: openbsd does..11:46
bob2nunag: only to begin with11:46
lypanovplovs: i switched to linux on saturday at last11:46
Kamionthey won't be *entirely* contiguous, but they are allocated contiguously11:46
Kamionmaswan: maybe my memory's faulty; I'm sure it did when I used to work with it11:46
lypanovplovs: switched away from linux to windows over 8 months ago now....11:46
cleelypanov: you mean "back to linux"11:46
lypanovplovs: its nice to be back :)11:46
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lypanovclee: :P11:47
maswanftp-deb@churchill:~> ps | grep grep11:47
maswan 36062  pts/1  0:00 grep grep 11:47
maswanftp-deb@churchill:~> ps | grep grep11:47
maswan 36064  pts/1  0:00 grep grep 11:47
Zindarhi maswan :)11:47
maswanyeah, seems like a normal unixy system to me11:47
Zindarmaswan, installed ubuntu yet?11:47
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maswanZindar: Nope, have to try a kernel.org kernel on ravel first to see if there is an upstreams problem or a ubuntu-specific problem with the mpt-fusion driver.11:48
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Zindarmaswan, ahh.. alright.. I'm extremly happy with ubuntu...  got 3 ppl running it here at the office now :)11:49
maswanKamion: Well, there have been lots of changes since really old AIX, these days it is mostly a fairly normal unix, with a few quirks.11:49
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Treenaksmaswan: like most unixen..11:50
Kamionmaswan: maybe I'm thinking OpenBSD then, dunno11:50
Kamionmaswan: bet the linker's still mad :-)11:50
maswanKamion: Yes, that's the primary quirk I was thinking of. :)11:50
nunagOpenBSD randomizes PIDs11:50
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nunagwhich would seem sensible11:51
maswanKamion: I reacted because this isn't the first time I've seen a reference to "AIX-style randomized pids", but I've never actually seen it on AIX. :)11:51
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Kamionmaswan: TBH I have no particular inclination to go back to AIX to find out ... :-)11:51
maswanZindar: We'll see, I might try it on the new laptop when I get that.11:52
Treenaksmaswan: aix? on a laptop?11:53
maswanTreenaks: No, ubuntu11:53
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plovslypanov, yes, using linux feels lijke coming home, using windows is like visiting your rich rather eccentric aunt, who has plenty of stuff you can use, but it will never be *yours*11:55
smeggywindows is like visitng your rich aunt with dementure.. who has good days... but on her bad days soils herself often and dribbles.. meaning you need to looka fter her11:55
lypanovyup :P11:56
lypanovplovs: yup. i'm home now :)11:56
lypanovplovs: strangely i switched vcs, os, distro (used to be gen2 user), and moved flat all in the same weekend :>11:56
lypanovplenty of fun11:56
lypanovbut i'm tired and wanna be at home not in work :P11:56
plovslypanov, i rather move flat then os's :)11:57
nunagI switched from Linux to FBSD a couple of years ago, for one reason: the FreeBSD Handbook. Is the documentation getting any better (it used to be 10 year old HOWTOs)?11:58
lypanovplovs: yer ur on the sane one :P11:58
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nunagyes, I agree, lypanov - but better than I could find in the penguin world11:59
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Treenaksnunag: man, wikis... mailing lists..11:59
lypanovTreenaks: sorry thats no answer11:59
lypanovTreenaks: ml's and wiki's are very often incomplete and difficult to find12:00
lypanovTreenaks: and they are *online*12:00
lypanovTreenaks: the handbook otoh is installed by default12:00
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lypanovwhat if you can't get your eth working? :P12:00
Treenakslypanov: you read the manual that came with your packaged distribution12:01
lypanovml's are also very high latency, and somtimes i need an answer in 5 minutes not two days12:01
Treenakslypanov: otherwise, you already know12:01
lypanovTreenaks: i don't by packaged distros12:01
lypanovTreenaks: sorry. what? how can you already know? it differs from distro to distro12:01
nunagI'm not really a technically adept - just a user. I find I can do stuff (like get an eth card working) easily with BSD12:01
smeggyBSD makes me happy12:02
smeggybut the GNU/Linux licensing makes me happier12:02
lypanovbsd now has better hardware support so i'm pondering switching12:02
lypanov(ndis is much easier to use)12:02
nunagI'm thinking of going back to GNU/Linux12:02
smeggythey really need a better abbreviation12:03
lypanovnunag: how come?12:03
smeggyGNUL or something12:03
smeggyGNU/Linux is a pain to type12:03
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smeggyyeah but thats wrong12:03
smeggyand proper nerds are pedantic12:03
Kamionnunag: the Debian installation manual is pretty good nowadays; we're in the process of adapting it for Ubuntu12:03
nunagI like unstable software :)12:04
nateit's not like it's all GNU though12:04
natethere's Perl and Apache and BSD stuff as well12:04
lypanovso gnu/linux is just as wrong12:04
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lypanovif not worse as with linux you don't specify12:05
Kamionthe GNU and Linux argument is rarely productive; let's not have it here. We decided to call our distribution simply "Ubuntu" to avoid the whole debate. :-)12:05
nateThe Hideous Bizarre Mutant Operating System Of Which Linux Is A Small But Key Part12:05
lypanovnate: :P12:05
dynoh shit.. anyone knows how to fix the "NTLDR is missing" problem of windows XP after installing ubuntu to an other partition?12:05
smeggyKamion, aww but Ubuntu the Happy Smiley Friendly Distribution of GNU/Linux is so much better :P12:05
nunagLignux - just tell RMS the g is silent12:05
Kamiondyn: http://lwn.net/Articles/86835/, perhaps?12:05
lypanovnunag: lol12:05
dynKamion: let me see.. my gf gonna kill me if i dont solve that until evening :))12:06
dyn"it's important not to panic" - huh that docs is for me12:06
smeggyany ETA on a forum?12:07
darkersatanicsmeggy: Forum? Ewww. What's wrong with a mailing list?12:08
smeggythey annoy me :P12:08
dynKamion: still reading, but i wonder how come that you got that url handy immediately? :)12:09
darkersatanicHeh. Forums send me right up the wall... :)12:09
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smeggyI really have nothing against mailing lists12:09
smeggyJust if you want to attract newbie desktop users12:09
smeggyyou'll need a forum12:09
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mkyc-ubuntupreferably with pr0n12:10
mkyc-ubuntunewbies like pr0n :) 12:10
joemforums turn into junk so quick12:10
joemmailing lists are much easier to moderate12:10
Kamiondyn: bug #156612:12
Kamiondyn: may not be the same thing, but it's high on my list at the moment ...12:12
dynKamion: ahh, i see12:13
ForsaKen`i got a ubuntu mirror, i already transfered all the files, i must rsync evry 6 houers, and i am intersted in building some script that will auto run the like for rsync, could anyone help me ?12:13
dynKamion: fact is, that i HAD run into that installing freebsd the other day to a box, but ended up with reinstalling the whole box, i couldn't find an answer12:13
ForsaKen`line *12:13
dynKamion: but let's see if i can blow up that box with sfdisk, i'm already close to the end of the docs :)12:13
ashgandyn> some hints here: http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000465.htm12:13
dynashgan: that last time i just mentioned i tried to fix the issue with the winxp rescue console, but it did not fix anything12:15
dynashgan: so i'm going with sfdisk this time, that lwn article seems sensible and helpful enough12:15
plovs_workForsaKen`, the best i could find: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/rsync.xml12:15
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ashgandyn>did you try a fixboot, instead? 12:17
dynKamion: "Warning: partition 1 does not end at a cylinder bounday", sfdisk kindly refuses to set these12:17
dynashgan: i tried that too, no help12:17
dyn(partition 1 is the windows one)12:17
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vertical98could someone point me to documentation on how to manually install a network driver?12:18
dynand the problem is that the old situation *is* correct and the new situation would make partition 1 does not end correctly12:19
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dynwould it help if i could look up the exact geometry of that hdd?12:20
dyni know it's an IBM DTLA-30703012:21
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Kamiondyn: sorry, I'm not sure enough of my ground beyond that12:29
Hrdwr_BoBHDD Details:12:29
Hrdwr_BoBModel: DTLA-30703012:29
Hrdwr_BoBP/N: 07N392912:29
Hrdwr_BoBLBA: 60.036.480 Sectors12:29
Hrdwr_BoBRPM: 720012:29
Hrdwr_BoBMLC: F8003312:29
Hrdwr_BoBCHS: 16383/16/6312:29
dynthat's what hdparm -I reports of my drive too12:31
dynbut according to fdisk it's configured to 16 heads, 63 sectors/track, 59560 cylinders12:32
Hrdwr_BoBthat's ... a lot of cylinders12:32
dynappearently, yeah :)12:32
dynbut i'm afraid (no problems, just mentioning) that ubuntu install changed that12:33
dynnow i wonder if i set back the original geometry with sfdisk, why partition 1's end would change12:33
dynespecially as i installed ubuntu on 2 already existing partitions12:33
dynso i did NOT delete/create partitions during the install12:34
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maswanMithrandir: btw, regarding that, did you get around to compile a kernel?12:37
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Mithrandirmaswan: oh, sorry. /:12:41
maswanMithrandir: I'll do it now then12:41
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Mithrandirmaswan: ok12:43
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sabdflis there any difference between gnome-terminal and multi-gnome-terminal?12:55
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mjrat least some while back multi-gnome-terminal was gnome 1.x stuff12:56
mjrand since gnome-terminal now has tabs, I don't think multi is very useful anymore12:57
plovs_workmjr, and if you really  *need* lots of tabs you should be using screen instead12:58
mjrquite possibly yes12:59
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sabdflmjr: thanks01:04
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mkyc-ubuntureally dumb question probably but i will ask : is there an active sync compatible type app for linux?01:12
Baumilook for syncE01:12
mkyc-ubuntuoh there is.. cool01:12
mkyc-ubuntudoes it talk to pocketpc ?01:12
lothariowould ppc ubuntu work on a clamshell ibook??01:14
mdzsabdfl: yeah, multi-gnome-terminal is obsoleted by modern gnome-terminal01:15
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Kamionlothario: if that's the one that our release manager charmingly refers to as the "toilet-seat iBook", then yes, it will01:16
mkyc-ubuntulol @ toilet seat01:16
danielsKamion: clamshell is white plastic, iirc01:17
Kamionoh, not the same then01:17
joemI don't know, it kind of looks like a toilet seat01:17
Kamiondaniels: http://www.macstuff.nl/support/iBook.html suggests it's the same type as Jeff's though01:18
Mithrandirjdub's the green one.01:19
Kamionlothario: anyway, all iBooks are NewWorld, so yes, it should work fine01:19
sabdflmdz: ok, thanks01:19
ajdaniels: eh? clamshell is coloured plastic; white ibooks are the newer dual-usb versions01:20
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dprohave a little problem.. at some pages mozilla firefox crashes? how can that be01:22
merriamwhat pages?01:23
dprolike realplayers homepage01:24
dprowhen i press install instrucktions01:24
dproand friendup.com01:24
dproits pretty annoying01:25
fabbioneDoes Luc irc?01:25
Kamionsounds like a bug you should report (see the topic) ...01:25
dprocant i compile my own mozilla firefox?01:25
dprocause that would be much cooler01:25
dproits pretty slow01:25
Kamionit's already optimized for Pentium 401:25
Kamionyou can if it makes you feel better, though :-)01:26
dprowell.. i have a Transmeta!01:26
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dproKamion: i want it to be complied for a Transmeta Crusoe TM580001:27
dproand i want to compile it myself01:27
dprowell i need to compile a new kernel too01:27
Zindardpro, what's stopping you?01:27
dproehm... cant find out how to compile a kernel01:28
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spivapt-get install kernel-package ; zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz01:28
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darkersatanicdpro: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/KernelBuilding01:28
darkersatanicdpro: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/KernelCompiling01:28
darkersatanicMay be useful.01:29
dproi'll try that01:29
merriamdpro: processor-specific optimizations rarely make a big difference.  if you really want to compile things like firefox, maybe you want gentoo01:29
darkersatanicmerriam: I'd like to recompile firefox on Ubuntu,01:30
dprowell i tried gentoo last week, i came so far as to install the bootloader, and then i couldnt figure out how to come further01:30
darkersatanicbut I have a specific problem that I know can be fixed by recompiling eith gcc3.4 :)01:30
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merriamdpro: do you have a url or file that causes firefox to crash?01:30
dpro2 sec01:31
dpromerriam: its a javascript popup01:32
dproahh now i think why its crashing01:32
dpromaybe i symlinked the wrong libjava file01:32
merriamthings run a lot more smoothly without things like java and real01:33
dproi need java and realplayer01:34
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dprothats why im installing it!01:34
HcEjavascript crashes firefox?01:35
HcEdpro: I made Java 1.4.2_05 work fine with my firefox01:35
dproHcE: JRE01:35
HcEapt-get JRE or JRE from SUN?01:35
dprofrom sun01:36
HcEwhich libjavaplugin did you symlink?01:37
dynKamion: *pheeew* solved the issue01:37
dynKamion: no sfdisk magic helped, but i switched the hdd config in the bios to 'Large' mode, and winxp booted instantly01:37
merriamdpro: you can compile things with portage without installing a bootloader.  no partitions or rebooting -- run gentoo chrooted under ubuntu01:37
dynnow lets see if i can still boot ubuntu :)01:37
HcEdpro: I use i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so01:37
dproHcE: /home/username/jre1.5.0/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so01:38
HcEdpro: oh, I don't use jre1.5, jre1.4.2_05 for me01:38
dyni've got the idea from the original mail mentioned the start of the LWN post01:38
mkyc-ubuntu5.0 sucks01:39
merriamdpro: that way you can easily see how much compiling it yourself helps.  this is to darkersatanic too01:39
darkersatanicmerriam: The recompilation bit for firefox is a known bug with a known fix.01:40
darkersatanicmerriam: I'm running AMD64, and there's a compiler bug in gcc 3.3 that causes FF to be extremely unstable.01:41
merriamdarkersatanic: so there will be a fixed official binary soon?01:41
darkersatanicRecompiling with gcc 3.4 is known to fix the problem.01:41
Kamiondyn: ah, good01:41
darkersatanicI don't know.01:41
darkersatanicI know that there were some issues with running gcc 3.4 binaries on a system compiled with gcc 3.3,01:42
dynKamion: i think that could be also added to the Ubuntu FAQ or even to Release Notes01:42
merriamhave you tried mozilla.org builds of firefox?01:42
darkersatanicbut it's worth a try, IMO.01:42
darkersatanicDo mozilla.org do amd64 builds?01:42
mkyc-ubuntui sometimes think adobe are the most evil people on earth... and a special place should be reserved in hell for modern PDF's made with acrobat01:42
smeggywhats that mkyc-ubuntu?01:42
Kamiondyn: would MUCH rather fix it so it doesn't happen in the first place01:42
Kamiondyn: I hate documenting workarounds rather than applying fixes01:43
mkyc-ubuntusmeggy, just sick of the bloared file size of adobe readers01:43
mkyc-ubuntuthe ppc one is 9mb01:43
smeggyyeah I guess01:43
mkyc-ubuntui mean come on 9mb01:43
smeggyI couldnt live without pdfs :/01:43
mkyc-ubuntume neither01:43
smeggyi'm a bitch to adobe01:44
smeggyand google01:44
mkyc-ubuntubut i could live without adobe readers.... ahhh xpdf01:44
dynKamion: you're right ofc.. and thanks for your suggestions :)01:44
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merriamdarkersatanic: i haven't looked into it.  if they don't, you could try an unofficial build from a mozillazine regular01:44
mkyc-ubuntulol time for bed here01:44
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darkersatanicmerriam: It doesn't look like they do.01:44
darkersatanicI'm happy to try the recompilation, TBH.01:45
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merriamdarkersatanic: http://www.srijith.net/firefox/01:49
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merriamdarkersatanic: if you want to do it yourself, it's best to look at how other people have done it01:50
Mithrandirdarkersatanic: firefox is stable for me on amd64.01:52
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darkersatanicMithrandir: I've had it fall over a few times last night.01:53
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Mithrandirdarkersatanic: uhm, we _are_ already using gcc 3.401:54
Mithrandirfor firefox at least.01:54
darkersatanicAh. I hadn't appreciated that.01:55
darkersatanicI saw that the default gcc was 3.3.4, and assumed that everything was built using that.01:55
Mithrandirall of mozilla is done with 3.401:56
Juz_visitingif someone has been using debian sid for their main disro .. do you think they will be satisfied with ubuntu?01:56
MithrandirI guess hoary will be done with 3.4 as default on amd64.01:56
darkersatanicIn which case, I shall try to identify a reliable crash and report it.01:56
Mithrandirdarkersatanic: that would be appreciated.01:56
Mithrandirnot that I _like_ to hack mozilla, though..01:57
darkersatanicI did have one page which seemed to crash quite reliably.01:57
darkersatanicIt's got some information on it that I'd rather not release to the wide world, though.01:58
Juz_visitingalso is it possible to upgrade to the final warty from the version I'm downloading now? I'm01:58
Mithrandirdarkersatanic: if you can release it to just me, you have my pgp key.  Or, it's in the Debian keyring, at least.01:59
Juz_visitinghmmm so much for the responcive community I was reading about ........ thanks all01:59
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darkersatanicMithrandir: Sure. I'll send it to you this evening, when I can access my AMD64 box.01:59
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ZindarJuz_visiting: yes it is02:00
cybernoutthats a lot of users02:00
cybernout:) 02:00
cybernouti am amazed-----02:00
topyliZindar: he's gone. patience lasted about 1 min 20 sec :)02:00
KamionI sent him a message02:01
cybernoutso who can enlighten me about the sudo and root of the ubuntu system?02:01
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cybernouti treid updating it , but failed02:01
merriamcybernout: sudo apt-get update02:02
azeemcybernout: in what way did it fail?02:02
cybernoutin setting an passwd02:02
Kamioncybernout: what command did you run, and what error message did it produce?02:02
merriamcybernout: it's the password you logged in with.  if you don't have the password for sudo, you can't have logged in02:03
cybernoutno error just returns and is not changed02:03
Kamioncybernout: what command did you run?02:03
cybernoutsudo passwd02:03
cybernoutusual debian way02:03
KamionI think you need 'sudo passwd root', but remember that that sets root's password, not the password sudo asks for.02:04
topylithat's not usual02:04
cybernouti got it02:04
cybernoutits the users name that opens the root02:04
topylisudo asks for you password, not roots02:04
topylihrmh. your, root's02:05
azeemif you get an dialog box asking for the root password, that would be a bug02:05
supertedroot doesnt have a password on ubuntu02:05
cybernoutokey , lets go over this step by step..02:05
cybernoutif i wanto open an root console - it will prompt for the passwd02:06
topyliyou don't want to open a root console02:06
topyliuse sudo02:06
cybernoutwhy not?02:06
Treenakscybernout: you want to run some commands as root. you almost never want a complete root console.02:07
Maydaywhat do i apt-get to get the full desktop? i went for base when installing...02:07
Kamioncybernout: if you want to open a root terminal, it will ask for your password; sudo is set up by default to allow that for the initially-created user.02:07
KamionMayday: aptitude install '~tubuntu-desktop'02:07
topylicybernout: if you really really want a root terminal, pick it up from the menu. it will ask for your password, not root's02:07
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topyliKamion: heh. we agree i guess02:08
cybernoutwhats the filosophy behinds this?02:08
MaydayKamion: thanks02:08
topylinot to be root and break stuff by accident02:08
cybernouthmm, okey, but how secure will it be? any one can do sudo on my system?02:09
ZindarI think this usage of sudo will be default in most distributions within a few years....02:09
Zindarcybernout, only you by default02:09
topylicybernout: only if they have your username and password02:10
cybernoutokey, i am starting to get the picture here..02:10
azeemisn't sudo access controlled by a group? 'adm' or so?02:10
topyliazeem: /etc/sudoers02:10
Zindarazeem: cat /etc/sudoers shows you02:10
Zindarazeem, not in ubuntu by default02:11
azeemexcept I don't have ubuntu installed right now :)02:11
azeemokie, thanks02:11
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_mikalcan someone cat their /etc/sudoers for me02:11
_mikalI did a dist-upgrade from xandros+debian testing02:11
natethere ought to be a /etc/evildoers02:11
ZindarDefaults        !lecture,tty_tickets02:11
Zindar# User privilege specification02:11
Zindarroot    ALL=(ALL) ALL02:11
Zindar# Added by Ubuntu installer02:11
Zindarbagfors ALL=(ALL) ALL02:11
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_mikalok, thanks02:11
=== andrey_ likes the fact there's no root account....
_mikalThen I did it right02:12
topylinate: it's aliased to sudoers02:12
topyliso as not to scare newbies02:12
nate/etc/evildoers: no such file or directory02:13
Kamionandrey_: there is a root account, it's just disabled02:13
nateyippee! The war against Evil is won02:13
topylinate: you should file a bug :)02:13
ElBasthey, has anyone managed to get gdesklets working from universe?02:13
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andrey_Kamion: Thanks for the clarification. I should've stated that I like the setup surrounding the root account... :)02:14
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cybernoutis there an ftp site mirror list?02:14
Mithrandircybernout: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive02:14
topyliactually i already nullified the nice ubuntu root thing and enabled root :)02:14
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cybernoutthank you02:15
topylifirestarter and <something i forget> want the root password02:15
Treenakstopyli: then those programs are b0rken02:15
topyliTreenaks: no, they are from unstable, not ubuntu02:16
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cybernoutany tips on an good program for the bttv tv card?02:16
Zindarcybernout, xawtv works02:16
Treenakstopyli: still, they should use an external program to become root, which in ubuntu would do sudo, and in unstable su02:16
Treenakstopyli: something like that02:16
topyliTreenaks: yeah, gksu i guess02:16
topyliTreenaks: i may fix it later, because the ubuntu way is better02:17
topyliTreenaks: all i would need to do is change the menu entry for those to do 'gksu firestarter' etc. Then i can disable root again02:18
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Treenakstopyli: uh, yes..02:18
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elFartohello everyone02:19
merriamelFarto: hello.  new to irc?02:19
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elFartonew here tho02:20
Celettusuppose someone liked Ubuntu very much, but doesn't have a lot of experience with either Gnome or Debian, and has some troubles configuring everything, would this be the place to ask? :)02:20
elFartoi just wanted to give some feedback about ubuntu02:20
topyliTreenaks: that wouldn't fix ubuntu wrt alien programs in general though, just my installation :)02:20
elFartoi've just installed it02:20
Treenakstopyli: if it was packaged differently it might work02:20
merriamCelettu: yes02:20
maswanMithrandir: Ok, hopefully ravel will come up now. :)02:20
Treenakstopyli: gksu should work on "plain" debian as well02:21
elFartoi only had 2 problems installing it..02:21
merriamCelettu: but see the help on the site too02:21
topyliCelettu: if there ever was such a person, they would probably be well advised to come in a place such as this one02:21
Celettumerriam great! I've googled around but there isn't that much on Ubuntu yet, and no forums, and I know NOTHING about Gnome, and it's not MS, and I'm still getting rid of Windows-thinking02:21
topyliTreenaks: yes02:21
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elFarto1) while it was updating all the packages wvdail came up and asked me if i wanted to auto configure it, problem was my usb keyboard wasn't working, i had to plug it into my ps/2 port to be able to press n02:22
Celettumerriam yeah, I looked. That helped installing nvidia-drivers and such, but there are some other things and I don't know if they're bugs, or simply gnome, or simply ubuntu, or something else02:22
topyliCelettu: come on, ask already :)02:22
Celettulike, for example, can the gnome panel be configured to show minimised apps of all virtual desktops, and not just the wone you're working in?02:23
Celettusorry :P02:23
TreenaksCelettu: yes02:23
Celettuhow? :P02:23
TreenaksCelettu: right-click the "handle" next to the "Computer" menu, select Preferences02:23
Treenaks(or Properties, don't know)02:23
merriamelFarto: debian culture is somewhat blind to dial-up.  i suppose ubuntu is similar02:23
Celettuyeah, tried that, but I can only choose the name, orientation, size...and things like background colour02:24
elFartoand 2) it incorrectly detected my nvidia graphics card as an SiS, it picked up "Silicon Integrated Systems (SiS) Virtual PCI-to-PCI bridge (AGP)" as my graphics card02:24
TreenaksCelettu: you should right-click on the "handle" thing next to the program names02:24
elFartomerriam, that wasn't the problem, the problem was my usb keyboard wasn't setup correctly02:24
merriamelFarto: but i found my usb keyboard worked.  it may depend on setting "usb for dos" in the bios02:24
TreenaksCelettu: not on the empty part of the panel02:25
elFartomerriam, well on my other linux partition, my usb keyboard works just fine02:25
TreenaksCelettu: it works? :)02:26
Celettuwhew, that was hard to find02:26
CelettuTreenaks yep. I rightclicked on the panel, not on the handle, since it's only one mm across...totally misse dit02:26
merriamelFarto: and it works fine on ubuntu now?02:26
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elFartohang on, i'm just playing02:27
elFartoyep, it's working fine now02:28
elFartojust not during the package update02:28
CelettuThis is nice. Another thing...in Gaim it's possible to have the minimised windows flash when you receive a message...for some reason this doesn't work.02:29
merriamelFarto: so, as i said, that may depend on setting "usb for dos".  can you confirm that?02:29
elFartoCelettu, it is, but the gnome task list display...thingy doesn't support it afaik02:29
TreenaksCelettu: maybe there's a gaim plugin for that, or something in "window settings"?02:29
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elFartomerriam, you want me to check that in the bios?02:29
CelettuFarto I thought about that, but it's a bit odd since gaim is built for Gnome. And it works great in KDE02:30
CelettuTreenaks it's a plugin, but it doesn't work. Neither does the "History" plugin for that matter...02:30
elFartoi think it works (the flashing thing) under sawfish02:30
merriamelFarto: yes.  it may be worth reporting02:30
elFartoor whatever it's called02:30
elFartok, brb02:31
pereIm having trouble setting up network printing (through a SMC Barricade) under Ubuntu. 02:31
topyliCelettu: what i do is have the window pop up when someone sends you a message02:32
pereIve set Host to routers IP, and queue to lp. Is that correct, or could it be something else02:32
topyliwell, to me, not you :)02:32
Treenakstopyli: I do that too, but it's hell with metacity's focus problems in sloppy focus mode02:32
topylihm, probablyl02:33
Celettutop yeah, but that gets annoying REALLY fast :P02:33
Celettusuppose you're getting all cozy with someone in private and suddenly your mother pops up02:33
topyliCelettu: maybe, if you get lots of traffic02:33
TreenaksCelettu: you can make the status icon blink.. that works02:33
Treenakslike the old ICQ did :)02:33
CelettuTree that could work. I'll try that :)02:34
Celettuokay, next :P Nautilus is also an ftp client, but it doesn't ask for passwords02:34
Celettuso if I want to conect to an ftp server which needs a login and apass, it just tells me I'm not authorised02:35
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elFartowell, helpfully enough, my "USB Legacy Function" was set to auo02:36
pereThe Queue name under network printer settings is strange. It shows just asterix (at the moment two). If I try to change it to "lp1", close and come back. It is still just two stars there. Anyone else having problems setting ut a printer?02:36
TreenakselFarto: auto = on if USB keyboard attached02:36
elFartook, so it was on then02:36
topyliCelettu: weird. it does offer to connect to "public ftp" or "ftp with login"02:37
merriamelFarto: this is odd.  weren't you using the usb keyboard before it asked about wvdial?02:37
elFartowell, that when it asked about wvdail that was the first place it didn't work02:38
elFartobooting off the cd it worked fine, and it worked all the way upto that point02:38
elFartoi mean, i had to hit enter to tell it to go update the packages02:38
Celettutop my bad. It does :P So what about password protected samba shares? :)02:38
elFartoso, very odd indeed02:39
merriamelFarto: and "usb legacy function" is the only usb setting?02:39
topyliCelettu: this i don't know. i guess you need to have the same username and password on the server... that's the easy way to connect to my samba shares from a windows box anyway...02:39
mjrhmm, anyone happen to know if nforce3 chipset's audio is properly supported in linux? (Considering getting a silent amd64 box and shuttle seems to offer that)02:39
merriamcould it be a motherboard quirk triggered by probing?02:40
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topyliCelettu: hm. just found a windows box on this here network. it simply asks for a password (which i don't have of course :)02:41
Celettutop: here it doesn't..."you're not authorised" :)02:42
elFartonot sure, because i plugged the keyboard back into the usb it worked02:42
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elFartowithout rebooting02:42
TreenaksCelettu: did you give it a password before, and told gnome to remember it?02:42
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maswanMithrandir: "now booting kernel" and then nothing more. Time for a second try then. :/02:43
CelettuTree: nope, never asked me anything...02:43
`anthonyHey - fairly fundamental problem here. Installing onto a Dell dimension PC here, and the installer can't deal with the CDROM - fails to mount it. attempting to mount it manually whirs for a while then gives "invalid argument". Mounting on another box works, tho.02:43
Mithrandirmaswan: yeah, guess so..02:43
topyliCelettu: the box i found wasn't a windows box after all :)02:44
`anthonyI had a similar problem trying to install knoppix, so I'm wondering if there's something just not right with the CDROM drive... although installing FC or Debian stable works fine.02:44
merriammjr:  there are mentions of nforce.  http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/HardwareSupport02:44
mjrmerriam, thank you02:44
Celettutop ;) It does the same thing with my own windows partitions02:44
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topyliCelettu: well those you can just mount after you give some love to /etc/fstab02:45
Celettuoh mounting them isn't a prob, but the dir where I mount them changes to read only02:46
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pittisabdfl: hal of the day is coming :-)02:46
topyliCelettu: are they ntfs? there's no ntfs write support in linux02:46
Celettuyeah. They are...but I shoudl be able to read them :)02:47
ElBastwhy is gcc not installed as default?02:47
topyliyes. so your fstab needs some lovin'02:48
merriamCelettu: "read only", you said...02:48
CelettuI forgot that I had to change this in suse too02:48
KamionElBast: we debated it before the preview release and decided against it, since desktop users shouldn't require it; it's on the CD for those who need it02:48
ElBastkamion: which one do you recommend to install? i've seen 3.3 and 3.4 in synaptic02:49
merriamelFarto: that's my only guess -- it didn't like the hardware probing.  maybe the usb connection recovers after a while02:49
Kamionfor the moment02:49
ElBastkamion: sweet, thanks02:49
Celettuactually, how do you manually mount a drive so that it becomes readable for normal users?02:50
visik7if u want a write support for ntfs try this http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/02:50
elFartomerriam, ok02:51
topylivisik7: isn't that still a bit dangerous?02:51
elFartowell, it all works now02:51
topyliCelettu: can't remember. dive in to the mount man page02:52
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Celettuthat's comforting :P02:53
visik7topyli I try it with an intensive write on a ntfs partition and I don't encounter any demage02:53
topylivisik7: good news (for your filesystem and for all of us :)02:54
merriamCelettu: it's readable anyway.  do you mean writable?02:54
Celettureadable for users02:54
Celettuit gets mounted readable only for root02:54
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elFartoquick question, how can i install the kernel source?02:54
topyliCelettu: if fstab has the 'users' option, it's readable to whomever mounts it, iirc02:55
elFartono matter, found it02:55
KamionelFarto: note that if you're only trying to compile a third-party driver, linux-headers- should be enough02:55
KamionelFarto: otherwise, linux-source-
KamionCelettu: use the umask option02:56
elFartook, cheers02:56
visik7topyli this doesn't mean that it works perfectly02:56
cybernoutgot some extra sources in synaptic, and can install the universe now..:P02:56
topyliyes! umask 0 0 002:56
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tsenganyone getting: 02:57
tsengbash: /home/brandon/bin/firefox-tabs: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission denied02:57
CelettuKamion/top thanks :)02:57
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Kamiontseng: chmod +x /home/brandon/bin/firefox-tabs02:58
jonohi all02:58
topylivisik7: personally i don't care, but there are people with windows still around :)02:58
tsengKamion: all my bin/ is +x02:58
elFartoer...it says "linux-kernel-headers, installed version 2.5.999-test7-bk-16", when it says i have kernel installed02:58
Kamiontseng: either that or the filesystem's mounted noexec02:58
elFartoam i missing something?02:58
tsengKamion: hm its on nfs, but it worked yesterday02:58
KamionelFarto: not linux-kernel-headers, linux-headers-
KamionelFarto: linux-kernel-headers is there for internal use by glibc only02:59
visik7topyli personally I use windows :)02:59
Kamion(it should really be glibc-kernel-headers)02:59
elFartoright, got it02:59
visik7is 2.4 kernel usable on ubuntu ?02:59
topylivisik7: sorry about that. i hope all goes well =)02:59
visik7topyli :)02:59
Kamionvisik7: you may be able to install it from universe and use it, and we've tried not to break it gratuitously, but I don't think it's been tested much03:00
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tsengKamion: noexec snuck in there somehow.. thanks03:00
topyliseems like i'm not very productive. might as well go home03:00
Kamiontseng: I tend to avoid noexec everywhere, since it doesn't really offer any benefit03:01
Kamionyou can always do '/lib/ld.so.1 <binary>' or whatever to bypass it trivially03:01
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visik7Kamion but the various scripts in ubuntu use sysfs 03:02
Kamionvisik7: new desktop features may indeed not work03:04
Kamionvisik7: which is why 2.6 is the only actively supported kernel03:05
Kamionwhy do you want 2.4?03:05
visik7'couse acpi in 2.6 is quite crappy (at least for my asus laptop)03:05
Treenaksvisik7: acpi in 2.4 is the same..03:05
visik7with 2.4 everythings goes ok03:06
Zombvisik7: then you are one of the few people where it is the case03:06
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ZombI need 2.6 for proper ACPI, for example03:06
ZombKamion: but do you provide a suspend script for acpid, to stop/restart hotplug, save mixer settings etc.?03:07
visik7Zomb maybe it's better if I submit a bug report03:07
Zombyeah. In Debian.03:07
KamionZomb: I wouldn't know03:08
ZombI will report it. IIRC I told Md but the problem has been forgotten.03:08
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Celettuanother thing that doesn't work when I shove my USB stick in :P03:10
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azeemCelettu: is hald running?03:10
Zombthere should be some kind of autofs-reconfigure-by-uuid-for-new-devices script for hotplug03:11
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occyhttps://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2059    added an additional comment.03:11
`anthonyHm. Got it booting by going into expert mode and unselecting everything but the most generic sounding drivers. How odd.03:11
occyjust posted the bug about my installl issues.03:12
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Celettuazeemazeem yes :)03:13
tortoise__hello, how stable is the HAL thing on Ubuntu?03:13
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Celettuazeem mounting it manually works great, but I have to mount /dev/sda, not /dev/sda103:14
dark_staranyone know why i get to the ACPI: Subsystem revision 20040326 and it stops?03:14
Kamiondark_star: you might have one of the broken systems that needs to be booted with acpi=off03:14
dark_stari tried pci=noacpi...is that incorrect?03:15
Kamionthat depends on the hardware03:15
dark_stari'll try acpi=off and see if that works03:15
dark_starshould I get a different build?03:16
dark_starKamion...you're a genius! That did the trick! Thanks!03:16
Kamiondark_star: which one do you have at the moment03:16
Kamiondark_star: cool; I have a laptop which needs the same thing03:17
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dark_starI have the warty build that was listed on Distrowatch last week03:18
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merriamwill it8212 ide controllers be supported soon?  is there a better place to find out?03:19
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ElBasthey, does anyone here have a dvb card they've got working under ubuntu?03:22
Kamiondark_star: hard to tell, but that might have been the preview release; there are newer versions linked from our web site03:22
_mikalElBast, not ubuntu, but debian03:22
occyanyone here seen this upon installing (on VT F4):      Warning: **: bad d-i Packages file   grep:  /cdrom/dists/stable/Release     : Not a directory.      This repeats in a loop.03:22
ElBastmikal: what sort? it's been a while since i set mine up, and that was on fedora...03:23
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Treenaks_mikal: -S or -C or -T ?03:23
occyI've used this CD to install without problems on my desktop, but this happens on my laptop.03:23
Treenaks_mikal: because I have an external USB -T device, but I can't get decryption to work (only one working TV station now :( ) 03:23
_mikalElBast, dvb-c with CA slot and mpeg2 decoder and the works, hauppauge03:23
ElBastis there a better way to set up the /dev/dvb devices than downloading the cvs drivers and running the makedev script in there?03:24
dark_starKamion...I'll try to get a newer one03:24
_mikalTreenaks, I haven't gotten it to work, they changed the encryption the day I bought it and I don't indend to pay for the channels03:24
ElBastokay, i've got a budget technotrend dvb-t... and i've just found out my the firmware i'm using in windows isn't supported by the current dvb kernel drivers03:25
_mikalElBast, I seem to remeber that there was a script I used to create them with03:25
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ElBastmikal: would that be the one that comes with the linuxtv drivers?03:26
_mikalElBast, isnt the firmware loaded into the cards in some way by the driver? I seem to remeber reading something about it03:26
Treenaksthe drivers should be updated so udev can create the devices03:26
_mikalElBast, I think so, it was about 6 months since I last played with it03:27
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ElBastmikal: yeah, the firmware is distributed in the windows drivers package, you have to copy it into a local directory so it's loaded when the kernel module is loaded03:27
_mikalI just recently read that cardsharing works now so I might get som use of it after all03:27
_mikalElBast, ok03:27
Treenaks_mikal: cardsharing?03:27
ElBasttreenaks: is there any way i can find out whether the current drivers support udev?03:28
TreenaksElBast: I don't know03:28
ElBasthmmm... i guess i'll put that on my "must find out" list...03:28
_mikalTreenaks, one person buys all the channels and plugs in into a linuxcomputer with softcamd and other people can ask the same card about keys03:29
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_mikalerr, newcamd03:29
Treenaks_mikal: nice :)03:29
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_mikalTreenaks, that is thw only way besides paying ~$100 a month to get the channels in god quality03:30
Treenaks_mikal: I pay EUR 8/month for 29 channels, but only one is unscrambled..03:31
_mikalCrappy swedish provider that changes encryption.. :)03:31
TdC_VgACan it be passed over TCP/IP?03:31
Treenaks_mikal: but I have an USB dump from the windows-program setting up encryption03:31
Treenaks_mikal: so it might be possible to reverse-engineer it03:32
_mikalTdC_VgA, tcp od udp I don't know, but over the internet anyway03:32
TdC_VgAnice nice.. coop tv sharing.. hot03:32
ElBasthmmm... i don't suppose anyone knows why Gmail isn't working for me in firefox? it works in firefox on windows, but not in ubuntu...?03:32
TreenaksTdC_VgA: you can stream DVB TV streams over the internet (UDP, multicast)03:32
TdC_VgA_mikal: what network is this thing for?03:32
TreenaksTdC_VgA: but _mikal is talking about sharing the encryption keys, not the rest..03:32
Treenaks(i.e. the entire TV stream)03:33
TdC_VgATreenaks: so was i03:33
darkersatanicTreenaks: I do that on my home network from a DVB-T card.03:33
Treenaksdarkersatanic: that's cool.. but it's boring to watch only once channel03:33
TdC_VgAalright i gotta go run some errands yada yada.. flying to chicago wednesday03:33
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_mikalTdC_VgA, for the ecryptionschemes that newcamd supports.. conax, viaccess and some others03:33
TdC_VgApeace guys.. hope the broadcom stuff gets integrated into the kernel if its possible, cause i sure fubar;d my install hehe03:34
darkersatanicTreenaks: I'm working on it. :)03:34
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_mikalTreenaks, does the usb reciever have a card slot or are you trying with a softcam?03:35
spivHmm, a recent upgrade seems to have broken rhythmbox (because esd is now running)03:35
Treenaks_mikal: it has a card slot03:35
_mikaldark_star, I think vlc has remote channel changing03:35
_mikalsorry, that was to darkersatanic ...03:36
darkersatanic_mikal: I'm just playing with it really. I mostly use it for time-shifting.03:36
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Treenaksdarkersatanic: working on it?03:36
ElBastdarkersatanic: what software are you using?03:36
darkersatanicTreenaks: I'm reinventing wheels for the hell of it.03:37
_mikalTreenaks, ok, if it won't work to get it to read the card maybe you could try with a softcam and a seperate card reader03:37
darkersatanicElBast: dvb-tools stuff, mostly. See http://www.carfax.org.uk/docs/DVB03:37
Treenaksdarkersatanic: ah ok03:37
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Treenaks_mikal: no, the usb thing won't send out data if the station is encrypted I think03:38
Treenaks_mikal: and, "conax for dvb-t" is a bit different that "conax for dvb-s"03:38
_mikalTreenaks, ahh, of course03:38
Treenaks_mikal: so I guess I need someone who can read/understand USB packet dumps03:39
Treenaks_mikal: I have one..03:39
ElBastdarkersatanic: what sort of card is it, budget or full featured?03:39
darkersatanicBudget. Hauppauge NOVA-T03:40
TreenaksI have a DEC-2540-T03:40
Treenaksfrom Hauppauge as well03:40
_mikalTreenaks, mm, and some spare time :)03:40
Treenaks_mikal: yes, most likely03:40
ElBastdarker: cool, same as me... how did you set up the /dev nodes? i've always used the script that comes with the linuxtv cvs drivers, but i've been wondering if there's a better way...03:41
darkersatanicI've been using devfs, and more recently udev.03:41
Treenaks_mikal: Hauppauge themselves told me, when I asked for the USB wire protocol that they couldn't tell me because the CONAX stuff is protected by an NDA03:41
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Treenaks_mikal: which is weird, because it looks like it's nothing more than "turn on conax" and "turn off conax" messages03:42
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_mikalTreenaks, sounds a bit strange, the commands should be on a higher level..03:42
ElBastdarker: so they're created automatically in udev?03:42
_mikalTreenaks, yes03:42
darkersatanicElBast: Umm. I think so. I'm not 100% certain that I've got udev working properly on that machine. :)03:42
spivA recent upgrade has broken my rhythmbox, because esd is now running...03:42
darkersatanicElBast: devfs certainly worked.03:42
Treenaks_mikal: do you have any idea where I could post this question? I've asked the DEC-driver maintainer, but he's too busy03:42
ElBastdarker: well, i'm about to find out... :) 03:43
darkersatanicElBast: Good luck. :)03:43
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_mikalTreenaks, No, I don't think so. Some guy at linuxtv would be mu best guess03:44
ElBastunsupported firmware....03:45
TreenaksI'll ask on #dvb first..03:45
ElBastoh well, guess i'll try it out later. night all, thanks for all your help!03:46
Treenaks_mikal: One day... :)03:46
_mikalTreenaks, I know the feeling, I have an analog tuner card that is not supported yet...03:47
Treenaks_mikal: oh well, maybe I'll just have to bite the bullet and dive into the protocol entrails03:48
_mikalTreenaks, by the time it is supported we probably have switched to digital in sweden.. 200603:48
Treenaks_mikal: and make a nice document describing the protocol03:48
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_mikalTreenaks, There are probably some tools to parse away the usb stuff thats not interesting03:49
Treenaks_mikal: I can recognise commands (0xaa 0x55) to the device.. and replies (after reading the driver..)03:49
Treenaksbut "CONAX" packets are different03:49
_mikalTreenaks, what do they look like?03:50
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ForsaKen`i downloaded a source file, i need to compile it, but i got alot of things missing, i remember that there was a command, that apt-get will find what does the source file need for compiling, and installs the things03:53
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Treenaks_mikal: 0xaa 0x0f I think03:53
TreenaksThe Conax packets appear to start                                         03:54
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nonrootHi all. Could someone else please check the date/time of the last message on http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-October/thread.html - I think it's stopped :-(03:54
_mikalok, I don't have a clue, bit I have a friend that made his own USB->IDE interface I could ask03:56
KamionForsaKen`: apt-get build-dep <package>03:57
Treenaks_mikal: I have the dump available if you want..03:57
_mikalyes, I'm not working anyway03:57
_mikalhow big is it?03:57
_mikalTreenaks, could you mail it?03:57
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ForsaKen`E: Unable to find a source package for xqf-1.003:59
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Treenaks_mikal: private message :)03:59
KamionForsaKen`: just the package name, not package-version04:00
sabdflpitti: whoop! was getting withdrawal symptoms :-)04:00
ForsaKen`oh thanks04:00
ForsaKen`working :D04:00
pittisabdfl: but don't eat it up completely, it fixes three bugs and has to last for a few days :-)04:01
Mithrandirnonroot: proxied to listmaster, thanks for spotting04:02
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visik7how can avoid make menuconfig to read my current kernel config ?04:11
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visik7why ubuntu kernel-image- has all drivers enabled ?04:23
visik7it's long to disable all the unwanted drivers04:23
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dark_staris there a keyin at boot time to enable my touchpad?04:25
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Kamionvisik7: they're enabled as modules, you can ignore them04:26
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visik7Kamion, yes but they are compiled anyway04:26
Kamionvisik7: most distributions do it like that, because otherwise there's no way to make the default work for everyone.04:26
Kamionvisik7: yep04:26
Kamionvisik7: we'd rather attempt to produce a kernel that normal users don't have to recompile04:27
dies_iraeHi, I just installed Ubuntu and think it's great! I'm dual booting though, and I'd like to access my mp3s on my win xp ntfs drive. I can mount the drive, but how can I set the permissions so that I can read it? Every time I chmod or even chown it says that it's a read-only filesystem and won't make the changes. I even tried adding it to my fstab with "user" option.04:27
darkersatanicdies_irae: You will probably need the "uid=", "gid=" and "umask" options to mount.04:28
Kamiondies_irae: you'll need to use the 'umask' option; umask=022 I'd expect.04:28
visik7Kamion, I erroneus say kernel-image- but I want to say linux-source-
Kamionshouldn't need uid and gid04:28
Kamionvisik7: yeah, I know04:28
opi^workumask is enuff04:28
opi^workyou can even pass uname=000 ;)04:28
opi^workd'oh ;}04:28
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dies_iraeSo, just umask=022? Sorry, I'm new to this.04:29
visik7Kamion, ok nevermind is the make menuconfig that read /boot/config- and configure menuconfig like it04:29
visik7so all drivers are enabled04:29
Kamionvisik7: I'm sorry, I can't understand that sentence04:30
darkersatanicdies_irae: Add to the list of options in fstab, comma-separated.04:30
visik7when I run make menuconfig I found all drivers enabled like a standard kernel04:30
dies_iraeYeah, I put umask=22, comma seperated, and while it mounts with r-x for group and user I still don't have access. I guess that I have to chown, but it still won't let me.04:32
visik7when I run make menuconfig I found all drivers enabled like a distro kernel04:32
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visik7anyway removing /boot/config-* all works as I want04:33
dies_iraeCan I just add gid=enso (my group/username)?04:33
dies_iraeOr are the groups indexed by number somehow?04:33
opi^workdieman: they are04:34
opi^workdieman: I bet you have gid=1000 ;)04:34
dies_iraeYay, that worked. Thanks for your help, guys.04:35
diemanopi^work: eh?04:35
diemanyou must be using bitchx :)04:35
opi^workdieman: sorry, tab comp. throw your nick instead of dies_irae 04:35
opi^workdieman: Xchat ;P04:35
diemanwith bitchx if you do ie: it nick completes my name04:36
diemanpanasync needs to learn how to ode :)04:36
diemancode, rather04:36
tortoise__when warty comes out on the 20th can I update to it using synaptic or must i install from cd again?04:42
Treenaksyou can update04:42
dark_starmy synaptic is not working at all...I'm new with Ubuntu so I probably misssed something...anyone have any ideas? I've gotten real used to tapping04:44
Treenaksdark_star: what doesn't work about it?04:45
dark_starTreenaks...the taps or the scroll04:45
Treenaksdark_star: taps??04:45
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dark_starTreenaks...the tapping on the touchpad04:46
Treenaksdark_star: ah.. synaptic :)04:46
Treenaksuh no04:46
Treenaksthat's different :) one is a package manager :)04:47
Treenaksuh uh04:47
Treenaksit should work..04:47
dark_starTreenaks...it shows in the XF86Config file, but it does not work.04:48
Treenaksdark_star: is the kernel driver loaded?04:48
dark_starTreenak..i have really done nothing other then install it...installed it about an hour ago...what would the driver be?04:49
Treenaksdon't know.. I don't have a synaptics pad04:49
darkersatanicThe driver is called "synaptics"04:49
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Treenaksyes in X04:50
Treenaksalso in the kernel?04:50
darkersatanicI think so.04:50