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| Markus_ | Hi There.. Can somebody help my? Why isnt my serial mouse not recognized? Where can I change it? | 12:51 |
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| chrisa | Try #ubuntu | 12:52 |
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| randomnick | hi... | 12:55 |
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| Mithrandir | mdz: any idea what to do about 1872? | 01:08 |
| seb128 | jdub: here ? | 01:28 |
| jdub | yeah | 01:30 |
| seb128 | python-gtk2-docs | 01:30 |
| seb128 | python-gtk2-tutorial | 01:30 |
| seb128 | these are documentation | 01:30 |
| seb128 | and not in ubuntu (uploaded in deb after the warty freeze) | 01:30 |
| seb128 | perhaps we want to include them somewhere ? | 01:31 |
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| sivang | just removed lp and parport from system, still now sound device. this is after a fresh install on inspiron 8200 | 01:32 |
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| seb128 | ok, time to sleep | 01:42 |
| sivang | night seb128 | 01:46 |
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| mdz | Mithrandir: I wanted to ask you the same :-) | 02:40 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: I think the bug is probably fixed; he needs to re-test | 02:41 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:mdz] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion on #ubuntu | 33 RC bugs to go | ||
| npmccallum | anyone having problems with madwifi in the latest kernel release? | 04:11 |
| mdz | haven't tried it | 04:18 |
| mdz | I will now | 04:18 |
| npmccallum | my madwifi card can't get a dhcp since I upgraded the kernel | 04:20 |
| npmccallum | it worked fine in previous kernels | 04:20 |
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| mdz | doesn't seem to want to associate | 05:12 |
| mdz | I've never tested it with WEP before, though | 05:13 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:mdz] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion on #ubuntu | 32 RC bugs to go | ||
| === daniels claims 1551. | ||
| fabbione | morning guys | 06:15 |
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| daniels | hm | 06:26 |
| daniels | fabbione: could you please review the g-v-m change on http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/gnome-volume-manager ? | 06:26 |
| daniels | fabbione: basically, with ubuntu2, if you run /etc/init.d/dbus-1 stop, then g-v-m dies | 06:27 |
| daniels | with ubuntu3, it should work just fine if you restart dbus | 06:27 |
| fabbione | daniels: gimme a few | 06:28 |
| fabbione | daniels: i don't know much about g-v-m. did you write all that patch yourself? | 06:29 |
| daniels | fabbione: based on Kinnison's patch | 06:30 |
| fabbione | i don't know enough about g-v-m, but it seems ok | 06:32 |
| fabbione | daniels: did you tested it? | 06:32 |
| daniels | fabbione: yeah, it works fine here | 06:33 |
| daniels | hotplug smartcard reader, nautilus window pops up | 06:33 |
| daniels | restart dbus with sudo /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart | 06:33 |
| fabbione | does that means is going to break *? ;) | 06:34 |
| daniels | with ubuntu3, it should work just fine if you restart dbus | 06:34 |
| daniels | er | 06:34 |
| daniels | then after that, hotplug smartcard reader, nautilus window pops up | 06:34 |
| fabbione | it should or it does? | 06:34 |
| === fabbione bitches | ||
| daniels | should, and does :) | 06:36 |
| fabbione | ok | 06:36 |
| fabbione | go ahead | 06:36 |
| daniels | thanks | 06:36 |
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| doko | how were all the newly imported "file conflicts" reports handled for warty? | 07:59 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:fabbione] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion on #ubuntu | 30 RC bugs to go | ||
| fabbione | doko: argh | 08:29 |
| fabbione | you were slightly faster than me | 08:29 |
| fabbione | for tetex-base | 08:29 |
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| pitti | Morning everybody! | 08:38 |
| SuperLag | any of you guys have Mono installed on your Ubuntu boxen? | 08:41 |
| pitti | SuperLag: I had it installed on Sid, for my diploma | 08:41 |
| pitti | SuperLag: should not make much of a difference on Ubuntu | 08:41 |
| SuperLag | I've added the lines to the repositories, according to the wiki page... but no workey. | 08:41 |
| SuperLag | Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed. | 08:42 |
| doko | fabbione: just wanted to remove the file from the binary | 08:52 |
| fabbione | doko: yes.. you need to fry it from the orig.tar.gz too afaik | 08:54 |
| doko | uggh, new source upload? | 08:54 |
| fabbione | doko: yes | 08:56 |
| fabbione | it's not in the diff.gz | 08:56 |
| fabbione | if the file is not free you need to remove it from the orig.tar.gz too | 08:56 |
| pitti | SuperLag: sudo apt-get install -s mono works for me, all dependencies seem to be in place | 08:57 |
| pitti | SuperLag: I did not actually install the packages, though, but dependencies are checked in the simulation | 08:57 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:fabbione] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion on #ubuntu | 29 RC bugs to go | ||
| fabbione | is 2022 really RC? | 09:01 |
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| fabbione | hey mdz | 09:55 |
| mdz | morning | 09:55 |
| fabbione | 4.13 ?? | 09:55 |
| fabbione | where are you hooked up? | 09:55 |
| mdz | verizon | 09:55 |
| fabbione | whois 4.0.0.0 | 09:55 |
| fabbione | OrgName: Level 3 Communications, Inc. | 09:55 |
| fabbione | not bad :-) | 09:55 |
| mdz | my home away from home | 09:56 |
| fabbione | mdz: is 2022 really RC? | 09:56 |
| mdz | while my house is fumigated | 09:56 |
| fabbione | yeah i read that ;) | 09:56 |
| mdz | fabbione: well, the last name implies that it is :-) | 09:56 |
| fabbione | mdz: well reading the bug i get a completely different idea | 09:57 |
| fabbione | otherwise i wouldn't ask ;) | 09:57 |
| mdz | it doesn't seem RC for Warty | 09:57 |
| fabbione | exactly | 09:58 |
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| elmo_ | Mithrandir: ? | 10:07 |
| Mithrandir | yes? | 10:07 |
| Mithrandir | elmo_: pong | 10:08 |
| elmo_ | Mithrandir: do you know about epiphany-extensions on amd64? | 10:08 |
| Mithrandir | what about them? | 10:08 |
| elmo_ | ftbfs | 10:08 |
| Mithrandir | I've never heard of them before. :) | 10:08 |
| Mithrandir | ugh :/ | 10:08 |
| elmo_ | sgml-validator.c: In function `convert_to_utf8': | 10:09 |
| elmo_ | sgml-validator.c:309: warning: passing arg 4 of `g_io_channel_read_chars' from incompatible pointer type | 10:09 |
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| elmo_ | could you have a look at some stage and/or should I file a bug? | 10:09 |
| Mithrandir | I'll look at it, but please file a bug | 10:09 |
| doko | mdz, Mithrandir: what is the decision on #1996? | 10:12 |
| Mithrandir | I asked you to ask mdz | 10:15 |
| Mithrandir | trivial fix, it seems | 10:16 |
| sabdfl | anybody else having trouble with firefox stability? | 10:17 |
| pitti | sabdfl: me | 10:17 |
| pitti | sabdfl: It just crashes on some websites | 10:18 |
| sabdfl | hangs and won't respond? | 10:18 |
| pitti | sabdfl: but I could not reproduce this reliably | 10:18 |
| pitti | sabdfl: no, no hangings so far | 10:18 |
| pitti | sabdfl: It's a pity, mozilla has been rock solid for a long time now; sad to see such regressions | 10:19 |
| azeem | it's the wrath-of-epiphany | 10:20 |
| sabdfl | perhaps they are suffering from "i want my favourite patch in 1.0" syndrome | 10:21 |
| === SuperLag is beginning to despise e-mail | ||
| hazmat | i can confirm having firefox stability issues, it randomly crashes for me as well | 10:22 |
| sabdfl | or perhaps it's a packaging problem. thom? | 10:22 |
| pitti | sabdfl, thom: https://financepilot-banking.mlp.de always crashes at my box the first or second time | 10:24 |
| pitti | sabdfl, thom: this is the site I could reproduce it most reliably | 10:24 |
| doko | and it's a memory hog, currently at 580M on my machine. you have to restart it every day (if it doesn't crash ;) | 10:25 |
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| sabdfl | is gnome-nettool generally useful? should we be shipping it? | 10:34 |
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| seb128 | morning | 10:36 |
| pitti | Hi seb128! | 10:37 |
| seb128 | hello pitti | 10:37 |
| hazmat | any consideration of replacing totem/gstreamer with something that works? | 10:45 |
| hazmat | like xine/gxine | 10:45 |
| pitti | hazmaz: apt-get install totem-xine (or xine-ui) | 10:45 |
| pitti | hazmaz: we cannot do that by default because of patent restrictions | 10:46 |
| pitti | hazmaz: BTW, personally I still prefer mplayer; this rocks | 10:46 |
| hazmat | ic.. thanks for the clarification | 10:47 |
| hazmat | perhaps an item for the faq | 10:47 |
| plovs_work | sabdfl, as an admin, i personally don't use it, all these tools exist on cli. But for regular users who want something a little more powerfull, i think many would appreciate it. It is on the gnome-website so people miss it when it is not there. | 10:48 |
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| sabdfl | plovs_work: i guess it is in main for those who want it. but i think it would go well in Applications->System Tools | 10:55 |
| plovs_work | sabdfl, it *is* part of gnome 2.8, people on irc ask why it is not in the bas-install, they have a point, i would vote for putting it in | 10:59 |
| doko | do we a policy how to create a new version, when a new upload of the source is needed? tetex-base-2.0.2b -> tetex-base-2.0.2b-1 ? | 10:59 |
| fabbione | doko: why not using the same approach as debian? | 11:00 |
| fabbione | dolo: tetex-base-2.0.2b.dfsg.1 | 11:00 |
| fabbione | or something | 11:00 |
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| doko | well, it's not permanent, the Debian maintainer and upstream agree on the removal, so it's a temporary version. | 11:01 |
| fabbione | doko: a new upstream release means 2.0.2c | 11:02 |
| fabbione | or similar | 11:02 |
| fabbione | so a b.whatever is fine | 11:02 |
| doko | ok, I'd like the version as short as possible. | 11:03 |
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| azeem | isn't glibc using 'ds'? Like 2.3.2.ds.1? How about that? | 11:04 |
| azeem | oh, and what does ds stand for, btw? :) | 11:04 |
| azeem | development snapshot? | 11:04 |
| fabbione | deliberate suicide | 11:05 |
| doko | hey, glibc stole that one from gcc ;) "debian source" | 11:05 |
| azeem | so make it 'us' ;) | 11:05 |
| fabbione | i can't wait to see the first USA | 11:06 |
| fabbione | Ubuntu Security Announcement | 11:06 |
| doko | ok, that would become 2.0.2bus :) | 11:06 |
| fabbione | yeah and next one is 2.0.2taxi | 11:06 |
| fabbione | 2.0.2tram | 11:06 |
| === lypanov always thinks daniel stone :P | ||
| doko | we run out after underground | 11:07 |
| azeem | the term 'ds' is probably older than daniels | 11:07 |
| lypanov | doko: shuttle? | 11:07 |
| pitti | sabdfl: yesterday I installed Warty from scratch and now I can indeed not import mp3 files in Rhythmbox any more | 11:07 |
| pitti | sabdfl: odd, this worked fine before | 11:07 |
| pitti | seb128: do you know why rhythmbox cannot import mp3 files any more? This worked fine some time ago | 11:09 |
| seb128 | pitti: gstreamer0.8-mad is installed ? | 11:10 |
| pitti | seb128: no | 11:10 |
| pitti | seb128: I did not install this manually on my previous install, though | 11:10 |
| seb128 | ok, that's it probably | 11:10 |
| seb128 | rhythmbox (0.8.5-1ubuntu2) warty; urgency=low | 11:10 |
| seb128 | . | 11:10 |
| seb128 | * debian/control.in: | 11:10 |
| seb128 | - Remove binary dependency on gstreamer0.8-mad. | 11:10 |
| pitti | seb128: we should probably install it by default | 11:10 |
| seb128 | Jeff did that saturday | 11:10 |
| pitti | seb128: do you know whether germinate handles Recommends:? | 11:11 |
| seb128 | pitti: if Jeff did that, there is probably a reason | 11:11 |
| pitti | seb128: okay, I will ask him. ThanksQ | 11:11 |
| pitti | seb128: s/Q/!/ | 11:11 |
| seb128 | pitti: no idea sorry, but -mad is probrably problematic for patents issues | 11:11 |
| pitti | seb128: What a pity. Playing mp3 files is not patent protected, just creating them | 11:12 |
| seb128 | are you sure ? | 11:12 |
| pitti | seb128: -mad is even in universe now :-( | 11:12 |
| pitti | seb128: pretty sure, yes. | 11:12 |
| pitti | seb128: but maybe the -mad library also includes the encoder? | 11:12 |
| azeem | RedHat also dropped mp3 playback some time ago | 11:13 |
| seb128 | pitti: no | 11:13 |
| azeem | dunno if they put it back in | 11:13 |
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| pitti | seb128: I will look for the mp3 licensing issue | 11:14 |
| seb128 | pitti: better to just ask to Jeff, he knows the details | 11:15 |
| seb128 | pitti: http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/index.html | 11:22 |
| pitti | seb128: I'm just reading it | 11:22 |
| seb128 | ok | 11:22 |
| pitti | seb128: seems like my memory did not served me so well: it is free (beer) for private use only | 11:22 |
| pitti | seb128: that's why I did not convert my collection completely to ogg | 11:22 |
| seb128 | ok | 11:23 |
| pitti | seb128: but it does not meet the DFSG since you must pay for commercial applications | 11:23 |
| azeem | are you talking about the algorithm/spec, or about Fraunhofer's implementation? | 11:23 |
| === pitti is going to convert his mp3s to ogg now... | ||
| pitti | azeem: the licensing page talks about "technology", not "software" | 11:23 |
| pitti | azeem: so I suppose it's the algorithm they patented (which would make sense in their POV) | 11:24 |
| pitti | azeem: from the website: "I have my own/third party mp3 software. Do I need a license? | 11:26 |
| pitti | Yes. Use of our patents is not related to a specific implementation of encoders and decoders, which means that a license under our patents is needed. " | 11:26 |
| azeem | "How do you tell if a piece of software violates a patent? Run wc -l on | 11:26 |
| azeem | the source; if the number is greater than 1000, it probably does." | 11:26 |
| azeem | -- Nat Friedman | 11:26 |
| lypanov | hehe | 11:28 |
| fabbione | what is the command in vim to go "vertical" visual? | 11:44 |
| lypanov | ctrl-v | 11:44 |
| doko | mdz, jdub: ok to upload tetex-base without the file with the non-free license? #2066 | 11:44 |
| lypanov | you mean so you can cut a block? | 11:44 |
| fabbione | lypanov: yes, but a vertical block | 11:44 |
| lypanov | ctrl-v will do that | 11:45 |
| fabbione | doko: read the last mail from Matt about uploads and peer-review | 11:45 |
| fabbione | lypanov: thanks | 11:45 |
| lypanov | np | 11:45 |
| === lypanov is writing a vim clone in ruby atm :P | ||
| doko | fabbione: which list/date? | 11:48 |
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| doko | fabbione: ok, could you do the review? | 11:49 |
| sivang | morning fabbione | 11:49 |
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| fabbione | doko: sure | 12:00 |
| fabbione | hi sivang | 12:00 |
| doko | chinstrap:~doko/tetex/ | 12:01 |
| sivang | hey fabbione, we need to find someway to make nv/nvidia use 100Hz on the flatrons, as it _is_ supported ;) | 12:02 |
| fabbione | sivang: it requires a specific mode-line | 12:02 |
| fabbione | i saw a message floating around | 12:02 |
| sivang | fabbione : I have tested a bit with knoppix, and see it detects the 100Hz capability, although have been unable to make it work on knoppix ;) | 12:02 |
| sivang | fabbione : could you point me to the message or else? | 12:03 |
| fabbione | doko: basically you purged the file from the .orig and that's it? | 12:03 |
| fabbione | sivang: i saw it on #ubuntu | 12:03 |
| doko | yes, the .tex and the documentation file. | 12:03 |
| sivang | ok, i'll ask see if someone knows about it | 12:03 |
| fabbione | doko: ok that's the same i would have done.. | 12:03 |
| fabbione | doko: do we know if something actually uses that file? | 12:04 |
| lypanov | that reminds me | 12:04 |
| === fabbione -> food | ||
| lypanov | any chance that ubuntu will do modelines and stuff? | 12:05 |
| lypanov | as X -configure don't like my dell :) | 12:05 |
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| doko | well, looking at the package itself, nothing. but it gets recommended in the LaTeX companion :( Then it should be added to tetex-nonfree ... | 12:07 |
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| fabbione | doko: hmmmmm | 12:23 |
| fabbione | tetex-extra is still in main | 12:27 |
| fabbione | there is no tetex-nonfree | 12:27 |
| fabbione | apt-cache search tetex-nonfree | 12:27 |
| fabbione | tetex-extra - Additional library files of teTeX | 12:27 |
| doko | hmm, what to do? if some package build depends on the removed file ... | 12:31 |
| fabbione | doko: should we give a fast look to rdepends and run a check rebuild of the packages? | 12:32 |
| thom | pitti: i hate asking, but if you move your .mozilla out the way and restart firefox, does it still crash? | 12:34 |
| pitti | thom: lemme try | 12:34 |
| pitti | thom: although I already tried this several times... | 12:34 |
| fabbione | thom: it doesn't look like you hate asking me to hug you :P | 12:34 |
| pitti | thom: yes, it still crashes | 12:35 |
| thom | pitti: gar. i can't reproduce this at all | 12:35 |
| pitti | thom: does it work for you? You might have to try this two or three times | 12:35 |
| pitti | thom: okay, I will try to get a backtrace. | 12:35 |
| doko | fabbione: these are 55 packages. could these be built in test-only mode? lamont? | 12:37 |
| pitti | thom: hmm, I got a backtrace, but it does not say much. I guess I have to build a debugging version | 12:37 |
| pitti | thom: but it's not that critical, most websites work okay | 12:38 |
| fabbione | doko: we can build 55 packages by hand... | 12:40 |
| fabbione | doko: it doesn't take too long | 12:40 |
| pitti | thom: strace says "SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0)" -> NULL pointer access | 12:40 |
| fabbione | doko: but the problem is if we need that file | 12:40 |
| fabbione | doko: that means creating or importing that tetex-nonfree thingy, move the packages to restricted and change build-dep | 12:40 |
| thom | pitti: eh!? | 12:41 |
| fabbione | doko: i don't think that's even possible at 8 days from release | 12:41 |
| thom | pitti: hrm, i just created a totally clean user, had no problems at all | 12:41 |
| pitti | thom: maybe it does not occurr on amd64? | 12:41 |
| pitti | thom: I build a debug version and extract a bt again | 12:41 |
| pitti | thom: I can do that in the background | 12:42 |
| thom | yeah, i'm gonna install an x86 warty on here in a sec and try that | 12:42 |
| pitti | thom: ugh, 40 MB compressed source? This will take a while to compile on my Duron 1.3... | 12:46 |
| thom | yeah, it's no fun | 12:47 |
| doko | fabbione: we don't need to build them, grepping for the removed file would be enough. | 12:52 |
| fabbione | doko: as well... | 12:54 |
| fabbione | doko: but it depends how the package is done... a dbs/cdbs or similar will require unpacking first | 12:54 |
| sivang | any need for a fast compilatio machine? | 12:57 |
| doko | ohh yes, let's see how the upstream author of the file will react, if he changes the license. I'll start on the packages tomorrow. | 12:57 |
| sivang | (pentium IV 2.6HT ) | 12:57 |
| sivang | sitting and wasting it's cycles..:-) | 12:57 |
| thom | sivang: that's considerably slower than our buildds :-) | 12:58 |
| sivang | thom : they are IA machines? | 12:59 |
| thom | sivang: dual 3.3 Xeons | 12:59 |
| sivang | thom : oooo. I see | 12:59 |
| sivang | thom : I just was pitti was referring to his "slow" 1.3 duron ;) | 12:59 |
| sivang | pitti : what to you need to compile? | 12:59 |
| fabbione | sivang: thanks but we need to test a package that is not in the archive yet. | 12:59 |
| fabbione | sivang: and check 55 packages depending on it | 01:00 |
| pitti | sivang: DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip,noopt debuild -us -uc -b for mozilla-firefox | 01:00 |
| sivang | fabbione : it has a source package right? | 01:00 |
| pitti | sivang: I'm already at it, but this will probably last over an hour | 01:00 |
| fabbione | doko: ok. fine for me. let me know if you need help | 01:00 |
| fabbione | sivang: not in the archive | 01:00 |
| sivang | pitti : oh, new upstream source? | 01:00 |
| pitti | sivang: no, I just need a debugging-enabled version | 01:01 |
| pitti | sivang: to find a segfault | 01:01 |
| sivang | pitti : i see. | 01:01 |
| sivang | instead of blabbering, i | 01:01 |
| sivang | 'd better ask for the bug# | 01:01 |
| sivang | ? | 01:01 |
| thom | pitti: ooi, does this happen for you on ppc, too? | 01:02 |
| pitti | sivang: BTW, can you try whether https://financepilot-banking.mlp.de (and then clicking on the continuation link) crashes for you? | 01:02 |
| pitti | thom: : I can try | 01:02 |
| thom | please | 01:02 |
| pitti | thom: booting... | 01:03 |
| sivang | thom : I've been to some computer junk yard, they'd sell me an AlphaAXP monster for about 500$ | 01:03 |
| sivang | thom : :-) does this qualify as a buildd? | 01:03 |
| sivang | pitti : it won't even start. | 01:04 |
| pitti | sivang: you mean firefox does not even start on your box? | 01:04 |
| sivang | pitti : mozilla won't start now, let's kill x and relogin | 01:04 |
| fabbione | sivang: 2066. the problem is a bit more complicate than it looks like | 01:04 |
| pitti | sivang: not mozilla, firefox please | 01:04 |
| fabbione | sivang: removing that file is (at this point in time) the solution for the bug, but there are 55 packages depending on that package. | 01:04 |
| sivang | pitti : , sorry that _was_ firefix | 01:04 |
| fabbione | sivang: that needs to be checked if they make any use of the file that needs to be removed | 01:05 |
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| sivang | fabbione : ok | 01:05 |
| sivang | brb | 01:05 |
| fabbione | sivang: so it's a bit complex. On the otherside there is the option that the author of that file will relicence it and nothing needs to be done | 01:05 |
| sivang | hmmm | 01:06 |
| sivang | strange, | 01:06 |
| sivang | I just upgraded. | 01:06 |
| sivang | dpkg segfaulted | 01:06 |
| sivang | when I tried to install linux-image-686-smp | 01:06 |
| sivang | that didn't happen before.. | 01:06 |
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| pitti | thom: firefox on ubuntu crashes as well | 01:08 |
| pitti | thom: s/ubuntu/ppc/ | 01:08 |
| thom | bah | 01:08 |
| thom | ok | 01:08 |
| thom | just about to reboot and install | 01:08 |
| pitti | thom: my locale is de_DE.UTF-8 (but firefox runs as en_EN) | 01:09 |
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| pitti | sivang: dpkg segfaults? Don't you know that dpkg does not segfault 8 days before release candidate release? :-P | 01:11 |
| sivang | hmmm | 01:12 |
| sivang | i think I have a dead warty here :( | 01:12 |
| sivang | I am now on sid | 01:12 |
| sivang | i cannot boot warty no more. | 01:12 |
| sivang | "ld has spawned too fast" | 01:12 |
| sivang | remember pitti when we thought this was because I extracted my old home dir? | 01:12 |
| sivang | well, guess what? ;-) | 01:13 |
| sivang | I think it has something to do with dpkg | 01:13 |
| sivang | I will have to go out in a sec (getting a new Ultrawide SCSI Server) I will come back to investigate. | 01:13 |
| sivang | i will also try to fetch a log if I can from the warty | 01:16 |
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| pitti | thom: argh, I just see that the firefox package does not respect DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS | 01:23 |
| pitti | thom: any easy method to enable debugging? | 01:23 |
| fabbione | guys is that true that RHAS or ES requires a yearly licence otherwise "It stops working"??? | 01:24 |
| fabbione | someone is asking me via sms and i have no clue | 01:24 |
| fabbione | last time i checked RH was 7.1 or lower | 01:24 |
| pitti | thom: don't bother, I fixed debian/rules | 01:27 |
| |trey| | fabbione: no its not true | 01:31 |
| |trey| | fabbione: not even microsoft does that. | 01:31 |
| |trey| | fabbione: of course, updates via rhn stop | 01:31 |
| |trey| | Its in their best interest for you not to become interested in other products though... | 01:32 |
| fabbione | |trey|: ok.. i expected so | 01:32 |
| tuo2 | like ubuntu... ;) | 01:33 |
| fabbione | |trey|: i still remember that night i had to install RH.. brrrr i am still shaking | 01:34 |
| |trey| | fabbione: enless you want a flame in a devel channel, I suggest that be the end of that discussion ;) | 01:35 |
| fabbione | |trey|: eehhe | 01:35 |
| thom | pitti: please send a patch :-) | 01:37 |
| pitti | thom: by now I just hardcoded the change, but a patch is easy | 01:38 |
| pitti | thom: I will send it to you | 01:38 |
| thom | thanks :-) | 01:38 |
| thom | ok, i get crashes on x86 | 01:39 |
| thom | ROCK and ROLL | 01:40 |
| pitti | thom: maybe your 64 bit are enough to make it work :-) | 01:42 |
| pitti | thom: as soon as the build finished, I can debug this, if you want | 01:42 |
| thom | well, it's litterally the biggest bug i have left, so i might as well | 01:44 |
| thom | i have a faster machine too, so it's much less painful for me :-) | 01:44 |
| pitti | thom: okay | 01:44 |
| pitti | thom: how do you build debugging versions, BTW? If not with DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS? | 01:44 |
| thom | i'd not had need to before now, guess i'm just lucky :-) | 01:46 |
| pitti | thom: odd, doesn't an -O2 built firefox work on so many arches? | 01:47 |
| thom | pitti: apparently not, that's very much legacy but the debian maintainer has been specifically turning them off | 01:48 |
| pitti | thom: I have a patch for debian/rules, where shall I send it? thom@canonical.com? | 01:49 |
| thom | yes please | 01:49 |
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| thom | ccache should be in build-essential *g* | 02:14 |
| lypanov | thom: build-essential should include a virtual cluster :P | 02:16 |
| thom | that'd be nice too | 02:16 |
| thom | but possibly a little impractical | 02:17 |
| thom | pitti: on your ibook, can you ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/arch/powerpc/kernel/cpu/cpufreq ? | 02:23 |
| thom | or tell me what cpufreq module you need to load? | 02:23 |
| pitti | thom: I have to boto it again | 02:23 |
| thom | oh | 02:23 |
| pitti | thom: | 02:23 |
| thom | not urgent | 02:23 |
| thom | just trying to get the powernowd modules loading stuff right | 02:24 |
| pitti | thom: oh, it works well out of the box on my iBook | 02:24 |
| thom | really? cool | 02:25 |
| pitti | thom: in fact, the latest isos set up almost everything right out of the box | 02:25 |
| pitti | thom: the only outstanding issue is the swapped Alt/Apple on the consoles | 02:26 |
| pitti | thom: I have the following modules: cpufreq_{userspace,powersave} | 02:26 |
| pitti | thom: they are not hw-specific, I think | 02:26 |
| pitti | also, apm_emu | 02:27 |
| sjoerd | your kernel probably has CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_PMAC=y | 02:28 |
| thom | you should have a cpufreq-something or a powernow-something module | 02:28 |
| thom | ah, or it gets built in. which would be odd | 02:28 |
| pitti | thom: above two are the only ones | 02:29 |
| sjoerd | thom: for ppc there is just one type of cpu freq switching thingie | 02:29 |
| pitti | thom: I can look up specific things in the kernel config, if you want | 02:29 |
| sjoerd | afaik | 02:29 |
| thom | pitti: grep for the option that sjoerd just quoted, please :-) | 02:30 |
| thom | sjoerd: there's only one on amd64, but that's modular. it would just seem a little inconsistent :-) | 02:30 |
| pitti | thom: its compiled in | 02:30 |
| pitti | thom: CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_PMAC and CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_TABLE are both 'y' | 02:31 |
| thom | answers that one then | 02:31 |
| thom | cool, makes my life easier | 02:31 |
| sjoerd | thom: looks like i can't turn it into a module here | 02:31 |
| pitti | thom: btw, any luck with firefox? | 02:31 |
| thom | pitti: building | 02:38 |
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| thom | ah, just finished | 02:38 |
| thom | only a glorious 25minutes | 02:38 |
| pitti | thom: on a powerful amd64 machine? | 02:39 |
| pitti | thom: then I suppose it would have lasted 1.5 hours on mine :-) | 02:39 |
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| thom | yeah, a marketed-at-3GHz amd64 with a GB of ram | 02:39 |
| thom | (ie, it's real clock speed is 2GHz) | 02:40 |
| azeem | they still do this with amd64? | 02:40 |
| azeem | thought they just use some random numbers these days, or just for the Opteron servers? | 02:40 |
| thom | model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ | 02:41 |
| thom | cpu MHz : 2003.246 | 02:41 |
| azeem | bah | 02:41 |
| azeem | model name : AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 240 | 02:42 |
| azeem | cpu MHz : 1395.656 | 02:42 |
| azeem | more prudent | 02:42 |
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| elmo_ | is /topic out of date or do I need to update my search? | 02:47 |
| thom | azeem: nod | 02:47 |
| thom | they obviously couldn't escape the marketroids for the consumer chips :/ | 02:48 |
| thom | oh man. the backtrace for mozilla is making me tired just looking at it | 02:54 |
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| Kamion | elmo_: I can see 23 here | 02:56 |
| elmo_ | cool, thanks | 02:57 |
| Kamion | thom: try bug #1254 :P | 02:58 |
| thom | ah, yes | 03:00 |
| thom | the good old "dell sucks" bug | 03:00 |
| tseng | mmm, i have that bug | 03:01 |
| tseng | i can help w/ it between classes | 03:01 |
| tseng | be back in 2 hours or so | 03:15 |
| elmo_ | argh | 03:16 |
| elmo_ | kamion: what the heck is cdimage/jigit and why do clients go into a tight loop trying to fetch it? | 03:16 |
| thom | gack | 03:21 |
| thom | that segfault doesn't happen with a mozilla binary download | 03:21 |
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| pitti | thom: you mean only the warty version crashes? | 03:29 |
| Keybuk | mdz, sabdfl: is there a tech-board meeting today? if so, what time and what's the agenda? :p | 03:29 |
| thom | pitti: yep :/ | 03:30 |
| thom | so now it's binary search time | 03:30 |
| pitti | thom: bad. Can you reproduce it with the debugging version? | 03:30 |
| thom | the debug version segfaults, yeah | 03:30 |
| pitti | thom: my last gstreamer bug did not appear any more as soon as I switched off optimizations... :-) | 03:30 |
| thom | yeah, that's no fun | 03:31 |
| pitti | thom: do you get a nice bt? | 03:31 |
| thom | 109 frames of joy | 03:31 |
| thom | i have a hunch | 03:31 |
| pitti | thom: good luck! I've got to go now | 03:33 |
| |trey| | Who is in charge of Bugzilla? something in the main channel is having probs | 03:43 |
| azeem | justdave | 03:43 |
| |trey| | azeem: k, thanks :) | 03:43 |
| Kamion | elmo_: because we haven't got the proper snapshot archive set up? I've sent several mails to you and thom asking for this, and Steve has been nagging me too | 03:50 |
| Kamion | Mark paid Steve money to get this done | 03:51 |
| elmo_ | yeah ok, but why are their multiple IPs hitting it repeatedly, like 5 times a minute for 5 minutes? | 03:51 |
| elmo_ | s/their/there/ | 03:51 |
| Kamion | I guess jigdo is upset by it not existing | 03:52 |
| elmo_ | 2340 81.244.129.5] | 03:52 |
| elmo_ | 1153 82.161.112.73] | 03:52 |
| elmo_ | that's an apache2 style (i.e. crap) failure mode for being upset | 03:52 |
| Kamion | maybe I can change the default fallback server for now, although it won't work well | 03:52 |
| Kamion | OK, changed, but we really need the snapshot archives soonish | 03:54 |
| tuo2 | hmmm | 04:02 |
| tuo2 | anyone here running the security team? If so, and you are looking for members, flick me a message. :) | 04:03 |
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| pII-350 | hi there! | 05:10 |
| pII-350 | can somebody help me.. I got stucked with my Ubuntu installation.. all is installed and seems to work properly, but at the next restart i hangs up with some modules | 05:11 |
| m_tthew | pII-350 : try #ubuntu | 05:15 |
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| daniels | mdz: the only possible solution to the figlet bug seems to be to remove it; imho we should do so | 05:45 |
| Keybuk | daniels: except that the "desert island test" bits are bogus ... there's nothing in the DFSG against those, despite what slef & co. might think | 05:54 |
| daniels | Keybuk: yes, but in general, it's not too dfsg-free :P | 05:55 |
| Keybuk | this is where I think licence-lawyers go way off the deep end. figlet has been effectively MIT for over a decade, with myriad distribution and modification under that assumption. | 05:59 |
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| thom | and now firefox is trashing the stack | 07:28 |
| thom | *hates* | 07:28 |
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| sivang | thom are eanybody else here with knowledge of SCSI devices? | 07:59 |
| sivang | are=or | 07:59 |
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| npmccallum | sivang: whats up? | 07:59 |
| lamont | doko: you around? | 08:05 |
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| Kamion | could I have some developers looking over https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=229? | 09:06 |
| === fabbione checks | ||
| Kamion | testing doesn't seem to be producing particularly excellent results (it's bug #1566); on the other hand, due to the nature of the bug it's very difficult to test a fix reliably once you've encountered it on a given machine, and I haven't heard anyone saying that the patch has behaved any worse than the original | 09:07 |
| fabbione | Kamion: why does it patches the config.guess too? | 09:12 |
| Kamion | fabbione: nothing to do with me, guv | 09:14 |
| Kamion | fabbione: automatic update by debian/rules | 09:14 |
| fabbione | Kamion: the patch seems sane to me | 09:14 |
| Kamion | fabbione: thanks | 09:16 |
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| Kamion | What do people think of this text, for an OpenSSH upgrade question? | 09:38 |
| Kamion | _Description: Disable challenge-response authentication? | 09:38 |
| Kamion | Password authentication appears to be disabled in your current OpenSSH | 09:38 |
| Kamion | server configuration. In order to prevent users from logging in using | 09:38 |
| Kamion | passwords (perhaps using only public key authentication instead) with | 09:38 |
| Kamion | recent versions of OpenSSH, you must disable challenge-response | 09:38 |
| Kamion | authentication, or else ensure that your PAM configuration does not allow | 09:38 |
| Kamion | Unix password file authentication. | 09:38 |
| Kamion | . | 09:39 |
| Kamion | If you disable challenge-response authentication (the default answer), then | 09:39 |
| Kamion | users will not be able to log in using passwords, only with their private | 09:39 |
| Kamion | keys. If you leave it enabled, then the 'PasswordAuthentication no' option | 09:39 |
| Kamion | will have no useful effect unless you also adjust your PAM configuration in | 09:39 |
| Kamion | /etc/pam.d/ssh. | 09:39 |
| Kamion | [note: this will only be displayed to people who have already modified sshd_config themselves] | 09:39 |
| fabbione | Kamion: perhaps you can avoid repeating twice the key atuhentication stuff | 09:40 |
| fabbione | (perhaps using only public key | 09:40 |
| fabbione | only with their | 09:40 |
| fabbione | private | 09:40 |
| fabbione | <Kamion> keys. | 09:40 |
| fabbione | you repeat it twice telling 2 different keys | 09:41 |
| fabbione | it might be confusing | 09:41 |
| Kamion | "public key authentication" is the term used in the manual page and the correct name for the authentication mode, but you don't use your public key to log in | 09:41 |
| Kamion | I could just take out ", only with their private keys" I guess | 09:42 |
| fabbione | yes i know what you meam | 09:42 |
| fabbione | mean | 09:42 |
| Kamion | it did occur to me when I wrote it that it might be a little confusing; since somebody else thought so as well, I'll take it out | 09:42 |
| seb128 | grrrr, is there anybody reading the bug reports against bugzilla in ubuntu.bugzilla.org ? | 09:46 |
| Kamion | you mean bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org? | 09:47 |
| seb128 | no, bugzilla.ubuntu.com :p | 09:48 |
| seb128 | but yeah :) | 09:48 |
| elmo_ | seb128: ? | 09:48 |
| Kamion | seb128: justdave does a pass over them every so often; he closed a bunch this morning | 09:48 |
| seb128 | I want an UPSTREAM state | 09:48 |
| seb128 | nobody even cares to reply in 10 days | 09:49 |
| seb128 | and I've pinged last week | 09:49 |
| elmo_ | ah, ok, that's a justdave thing.. sorry thought you might have meant some of the outstanding admin stuff | 09:49 |
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| seb128_ | sorry, dsl hangup | 09:52 |
| seb128_ | I've stopped after <Kamion> seb128: justdave does a pass over them every so often; he closed a bunch this morning | 09:52 |
| seb128_ | was saying, that it would be really usefull to get an UPSTREAM state | 09:52 |
| seb128_ | most of GNOME issues are upstreams bug and a big part is forwarded | 09:52 |
| seb128_ | I would appreciate to get at least a comment/reply/something on my bug in 10 days :) | 09:52 |
| seb128_ | mdz: ping ? | 09:56 |
| seb128 | justdave: ping ? | 09:58 |
| thom | so, is the correct response on ubuntu-devel to Orlando Fiol "exactly"? | 09:58 |
| thom | :-) | 09:58 |
| Kamion | thom: :-) | 09:59 |
| justdave | seb128: sorry, just replied on the bug. | 10:00 |
| justdave | should have marked it ASSIGNED when I initially grabbed it so you knew it was on my radar | 10:00 |
| seb128 | justdave: no problem that's just that getting the feeling to be ignored is frustating :) | 10:00 |
| seb128 | justdave: thanks | 10:00 |
| justdave | yeah, I know. I just made the same complaint on a bug I assigned to someone else a week or so ago, so I feel stupid now :) | 10:01 |
| mdz | seb128: pong | 10:01 |
| seb128 | mdz: #1851 | 10:02 |
| seb128 | you've tested the patch, ok to include it ? | 10:02 |
| mdz | seb128: I haven't tested the last part (to ifupdown), but the gst patch works fine | 10:05 |
| seb128 | ok, I'm going to upload gst to fix an another bug, ok to include this patch too so ? | 10:06 |
| mdz | seb128: yes | 10:07 |
| seb128 | thanks | 10:07 |
| seb128 | mdz: #2088 too :) | 10:07 |
| mdz | seb128: fine with me; they don't seem to have any new dependencies | 10:09 |
| mdz | I'm happy for them to go in supported | 10:09 |
| seb128 | no depends, that's only html files | 10:09 |
| seb128 | ok, thanks | 10:09 |
| seb128 | I'll add them to the seed and upload | 10:09 |
| mdz | ok | 10:10 |
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| Keybuk | can I mention that screem's fetish with stealing every available mime type for itself is f*cking annoying | 11:12 |
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| Kamion | OK, I think I have a fix for #1586 | 11:20 |
| Kamion | although it will need to be ported from unstable to experimental and thence to Ubuntu | 11:20 |
| bradb_ | seb128: why does vim show up without an icon in Applications->Accessories? | 11:33 |
| seb128 | because there is no real point to have it here ? | 11:34 |
| seb128 | that's not really a desktop user app | 11:34 |
| mdz | it should not show up in the menu at all | 11:36 |
| mdz | bradb_: are you saying it's there with no icon, or that it's not there? | 11:36 |
| sabdfl | doh | 11:36 |
| sabdfl | it's there with no icon | 11:37 |
| sabdfl | both facts surprised me | 11:37 |
| sabdfl | clicking it runs gvim | 11:37 |
| seb128 | oh ok | 11:42 |
| seb128 | I'll remove the entry | 11:42 |
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