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| Kamion | can people have a quick sanity-checking glance over http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~cjwatson/openssh.diff, for #1586? | 12:05 |
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| Kamion | that diff is against the current version in sarge, but can be ported | 12:05 |
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| minghua | hi, I am wondering how to get a package in universe updated | 12:14 |
| minghua | I am the Debian maintainer of scim package | 12:14 |
| minghua | and a user reported it does not work in ubuntu warty | 12:15 |
| minghua | he didn't reply my inquiry yet but I have an idea what can be wrong | 12:15 |
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| Kamion | minghua: mail ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com and say what doesn't work, please; if it's just a matter of syncing a new source package from universe, then that should be possible | 12:32 |
| Kamion | er, s/from universe/from unstable/ | 12:32 |
| Kamion | minghua: in general universe is frozen at the moment | 12:33 |
| yuval | Can I fix the Hebrew translation of ubuntu (debian) installer? | 12:41 |
| minghua | Kamion: thanks for the info. is it possible to update universe even after warty is released? | 12:44 |
| minghua | since I am busy now, and not sure if I can sort things out before release | 12:45 |
| Kamion | minghua: not for warty. For hoary, we'll be syncing updates automatically from sid. | 12:45 |
| minghua | yuval: I believe ubuntu uses d-i translation | 12:45 |
| doko | lamont: around? | 12:46 |
| minghua | yuval: You may want to have a look at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ | 12:46 |
| Kamion | yuval: minghua is correct in general, although there are some branding changes (substituting "Ubuntu" for "Debian", mostly) where the Hebrew translation hasn't been updated. Please file a bug with your changes, and try to keep them confined to the Ubuntu-specific changes if you can so that we don't have to throw the changes away later when merging from Debian. | 12:46 |
| minghua | Kamion: thanks, I'll probably target this to hoary then | 12:47 |
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| yuval | I'll ask the translator of debian installer. I think he fixed the d-i after ubuntu take the installer. | 12:51 |
| yuval | There is also a bug in the base-config after the installation. the base-confgi can't display Hebrew... | 12:52 |
| yuval | https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1231 | 12:52 |
| Kamion | yuval: I know about the bug (it's assigned to me); feel free to tell me how to fix it :-) | 12:54 |
| Kamion | ah, you've already updated the bug, hmm | 12:55 |
| Kamion | we're already using libfribidi is the thing | 12:55 |
| Kamion | I don't know what else it could be, unless it's something in the languagechooser/countrychooser/termwrap maze | 12:55 |
| yuval | I don't think libfribidi will help, because the hebrew is not displayed at all. And libfribidi is for reserved Hebrew. | 12:57 |
| Kamion | maybe lack of a UTF-8 console? | 12:57 |
| Kamion | termwrap has always been a nightmare, but I don't see anything relevant in the base-config changelog since we last synced | 12:58 |
| yuval | I think that it's font problam. | 12:58 |
| Kamion | yuval: your screenshot looks like garbled high ISO-8859-1 to me ... | 12:58 |
| Kamion | ... or maybe not | 01:00 |
| yuval | I think that for warty it's ok that this srtings will be in english, but it'll be grea if you can fix this bug. | 01:02 |
| Kamion | I have to admit that it's lowish on my priority list right now, but having a known fix would move it a long way up said list :-) | 01:03 |
| yuval | Where can I find the sources of the installer? | 01:04 |
| Kamion | the relevant source packages ... | 01:05 |
| Kamion | it may be easiest to find which source packages are involved by checking out debian-installer upstream (see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer) and looking for the corresponding Ubuntu source packages | 01:05 |
| mdz | lamont: ping? | 01:06 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:mdz] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion on #ubuntu | 28 RC bugs to go | ||
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| lamont | postfix fix tested, time to email kamion. Or would someone else like to review the patch to base-config? | 01:11 |
| mdz | Kamion: I'm not convinced that #1586 is RC for Warty | 01:13 |
| mdz | lamont: just noticed that James filed a bug about an FTBFS; are there any other failures that may have happened while you were away which need bug reports? | 01:13 |
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| lamont | will check | 01:14 |
| mdz | lamont: can you check for anything which is not built and file bugs as appropriate (is that quinn-diff?) | 01:14 |
| lamont | actually, I'll start with http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/warty.all.{i386,amd64,powerpc}, and see what's marked 'Building, out-of-date', or Building from !universe | 01:14 |
| lamont | but first I'm going to power down my computer long enough to replace the *(%^_^& powersupply fan. | 01:15 |
| lamont | after mailing off my diff. | 01:15 |
| lamont | mdz: you want to see the diff? | 01:15 |
| mdz | lamont: sure | 01:15 |
| lamont | verified to close 1711 and 1123 | 01:15 |
| lamont | sent. | 01:16 |
| Kamion | mdz: I am, if we care about woody->warty upgrades at all | 01:16 |
| lamont | back in a few minutes | 01:16 |
| lamont | Kamion: sent to you as well. | 01:16 |
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| Kamion | mdz: it's a significant silent change to the meaning of your configuration on upgrade, which you may not notice and which affects your security policy | 01:16 |
| mdz | Kamion: ssh in woody didn't use PAM? | 01:18 |
| Kamion | mdz: it did | 01:18 |
| Kamion | mdz: the UsePAM directive did not exist until OpenSSH 3.7 | 01:18 |
| Kamion | that's really a red herring though; the real problem is that ChallengeResponseAuthentication suddenly started working and people who thought they'd disabled all password authentication suddenly found that password-style auth was allowed again | 01:19 |
| Kamion | so the fix is to spot PasswordAuthentication being turned off, warn about the inconsistency, and offer to disable ChallengeResponseAuthentication too | 01:20 |
| Kamion | (basically, openssh upstream suck and everyone gets to work around them) | 01:20 |
| mdz | Kamion: so in woody, if I set PasswordAuthentication no, that implicitly disabled PAM as well? | 01:20 |
| yuval | Kamion, I talked with the Hebrew translator of d-i, and it may be also debian bug. I'll check it tomorrow. Good night all! | 01:31 |
| Kamion | mdz: no | 01:31 |
| Kamion | mdz: PAM keyboard-interactive was turned off in woody | 01:32 |
| Kamion | that option was removed in 3.7, and challengeresponseauthentication got applied to PAM | 01:32 |
| mdz | I see | 01:33 |
| mdz | so we can't solve it transparently due to the change in semantics | 01:33 |
| Kamion | right | 01:33 |
| Kamion | every so often I go out into a field and scream "I HATE OPENSSH" | 01:34 |
| Kamion | [not really, but maybe I should] | 01:34 |
| mjg59 | I wholeheartedly recommend abitrary rage | 01:35 |
| mdz | Kamion: lamont's base-config diff looks fine to me, but I'll be bouncing you a copy for a quick review | 01:36 |
| Kamion | he mailed it to me too | 01:36 |
| Kamion | it looks fine | 01:36 |
| mdz | ah, ok. he didn't send it at the same time | 01:36 |
| mdz | lamont's reboot is lasting awfully long :-) | 01:37 |
| Kamion | I've replied to him | 01:37 |
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| |trey| | Hey... skvidel was in #ubuntu earlier asking about how we will go about "a kickstart alternative"... perhaps someone would like to talk to him about the plans atm? | 01:46 |
| lamont | who the hell still _SOLDERS_ powersupply fans into the thing??? | 01:46 |
| daniels | lam?!? | 01:47 |
| lamont | mdz/Kamion: thoughts on the base-config diff? | 01:55 |
| Kamion | lamont: you have mail | 01:56 |
| Kamion | |trey|: I was going to answer him, but he left | 01:56 |
| |trey| | Kamion: ahh, oh well, his loss :) | 01:57 |
| === lamont does an etrn, discovers that Kamion is indeed correct. :-( | ||
| === lamont will upload | ||
| === lamont adds the bug numbers to changelog first. | ||
| lamont | Kamion: want to review a debootstrap patch for #1879? | 02:16 |
| lamont | (ia64 fix, trivial) | 02:16 |
| Kamion | lamont: sure | 02:17 |
| lamont | sent. There was a little bit of cleanup in there too, to make the unsupported architectures more obvious. | 02:17 |
| lamont | fabbione: sounder 9 asked me for resolutions, etc. | 02:20 |
| lamont | ati mach64, ddcprobe ends a nice list of resolutions with 'edidfail', xresprobe gets nothing | 02:22 |
| lamont | daniels: thoughts? | 02:22 |
| daniels | lamont: edidfail -> your monitor is unprobeable | 02:22 |
| daniels | congratulations! :) | 02:22 |
| lamont | well, it's not exactly new... | 02:22 |
| daniels | the resolutions given before edidfail are the ones your card is capable of doing | 02:23 |
| daniels | yeah | 02:23 |
| lamont | ah, ok. | 02:23 |
| daniels | if you get edidfail, your monitor totally won't talk to us | 02:23 |
| lamont | so that's an expected condition, then... | 02:23 |
| daniels | yep | 02:23 |
| lamont | ok | 02:23 |
| daniels | thanks for the case-up | 02:23 |
| sabdfl | justdave: ping? | 02:23 |
| daniels | chase-up, too | 02:23 |
| justdave | sabdfl: pong | 02:23 |
| lamont | np | 02:24 |
| lamont | mdz: epiphany-extensions is the only ftbfs still outstanding from !universe | 02:33 |
| mdz | lamont: ok, thanks | 02:37 |
| lamont | mdz: universe trivial bugs still fair game? | 02:38 |
| lamont | hrm.. showimg is the only one that is currently d-w libtiff3g-dev, and ISTR there were other issues there..\ | 02:40 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:mdz] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion on #ubuntu | 25 RC bugs to go | ||
| mdz | lamont: yes, but RC bugs have priority | 02:42 |
| lamont | certainly. | 02:42 |
| lamont | actually looks like showimg just needs the d-w cleared. :( | 02:43 |
| lifeless | pmount is interesting... | 02:45 |
| lifeless | doesn't seem to add umask=077 to the mount, which makes it useless for ssh keys :[ | 02:46 |
| mdz | lifeless: for ssh keys on vfat filesystems? | 02:49 |
| lamont | lifeless: why are they not correct on the fs? | 02:49 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:mdz] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion on #ubuntu | 24 RC bugs to go | ||
| lifeless | mdz: yes | 02:49 |
| lifeless | I've still not done a full install, so pmount doesn't actually run automatically for me, I was just reading the stated behaviour. | 02:50 |
| lifeless | any hints about upgrading a debian-stable system to ubuntu such that pmount does work would be great. | 02:50 |
| === lamont works on epiphany-extensions | ||
| lifeless | lamont: vfat doesn't store modes. | 02:52 |
| === lamont giggles and points. :-) | ||
| lamont | mdz: 2083 is just a s/int/gsize/, it would appear. | 02:56 |
| === lamont decides to try that on amd64 as well. :-) | ||
| mdz | lamont: I figured it was something like that | 03:00 |
| lamont | if/when the amd64 build succeeds, I'll upload | 03:00 |
| lamont | oops. Fire training in -2 minutes. bbl | 03:02 |
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| Kamion | mdz: I only count 18 RC bugs now; what's the correct query to use? | 03:52 |
| mdz | Kamion: needs to include NEEDINFO | 03:56 |
| mdz | justdave: can we create a global, cooked query for RC bugs? | 03:56 |
| mdz | justdave: like the "My Bugs" one? | 03:56 |
| justdave | sure | 03:57 |
| justdave | make the query that returns what you want, then copy the URL for it and jabber it to me | 03:58 |
| Kamion | mdz: aha, thanks | 04:00 |
| Kamion | presumably on the Ubuntu product only | 04:00 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Kamion] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion on #ubuntu | 23 RC bugs to go | ||
| mdz | Kamion: I count 24 | 04:10 |
| mdz | Kamion: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Ubuntu&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=PENDINGUPLOAD&bug_severity=blocker&bug_severity=critical&bug_severity=major&emailassig | 04:10 |
| mdz | ned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&query_based_on=RC+Bugs&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0= | 04:10 |
| mdz | EEK | 04:10 |
| mdz | anyway, that's the query I'm using | 04:10 |
| justdave | mdz: stick this in your toolbar: javascript:void(location.href='http://tinyurl.com/create.php?url='+location.href) | 04:11 |
| mdz | justdave: it would be nice if it would omit the variables that are not being used in the search | 04:12 |
| mdz | the stuff which is left blank | 04:12 |
| Kamion | mdz: oh, you're using PENDINGUPLOAD too | 04:12 |
| justdave | yeah, it would. needs some javascript hackery on the form in the submithandler to pull that off | 04:13 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Kamion] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion on #ubuntu | 24 RC bugs to go | ||
| Kamion | mdz: I think I'll downgrade the parted bug until/unless we get feedback that daily builds still break new machines | 04:14 |
| justdave | or maybe just have buglist.cgi redirect to itself with the empty fields removed if it gets any passed in that are empty | 04:14 |
| justdave | mdz: http://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/mozilla.html#shorten_bug_query | 04:19 |
| justdave | instead of searching for all of those specific statuses, you can clear the status box and search on resolution=--- | 04:21 |
| justdave | that gets anything that's not resolved | 04:21 |
| mdz | justdave: ah, that's handy, if obscure :-) | 04:21 |
| justdave | ok, I just added the query you pasted in here (with it cleaned up a little) to the footer next to My Bugs | 04:26 |
| justdave | it's tied to My Bugs though, so if you turned off My Bugs, you'll lose that, too | 04:27 |
| justdave | mdz: should https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1379 be a higher severity? | 04:36 |
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| Kamion | #1379> if so, can it be reassigned to somebody else? | 04:39 |
| Kamion | or even possibly if not | 04:40 |
| justdave | I was thinking Herbert had it, but I see it's you... | 04:42 |
| justdave | is being able to install onto a firewire drive on PPC considered an RC issue? | 04:43 |
| justdave | I successfully installed there this time until it got to the point of installing yaboot and it errored out saying it couldn't determine the openfirmware path for the device | 04:44 |
| === justdave thinks 1379 probably should be NEEDINFO right now pending me getting that /proc/cmdline info posted on the bug | ||
| justdave | unfortunately that's my primary workstation, and testing that means rebooting :) | 04:52 |
| sabdfl | lifeless: erk, i think i've found the problem | 04:55 |
| lifeless | sabdfl: wrong channel ? | 04:55 |
| lifeless | :) | 04:55 |
| sabdfl | yup | 04:55 |
| sabdfl | wrong tz | 04:55 |
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| fabbione | morning guys | 05:51 |
| lamont | epiphany-extensions is go on amd64. | 05:53 |
| lamont | mdz: OK to upload? | 05:53 |
| lamont | doko/mdz around? | 05:58 |
| fabbione | hey lamont | 06:02 |
| fabbione | lamont: i can review the patch if you want | 06:02 |
| lamont | fabbione: ok | 06:03 |
| lamont | fabbione: sent. The debian/control diff is an artifact of dpkg-buildpackage -S | 06:03 |
| fabbione | -int len; | 06:07 |
| fabbione | +gsize len; | 06:07 |
| fabbione | and that's it? | 06:07 |
| lamont | yep | 06:07 |
| fabbione | hmmm i need more investigation for that | 06:07 |
| fabbione | ahaha | 06:07 |
| fabbione | go ahead | 06:07 |
| lamont | heh | 06:07 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:lamont] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion on #ubuntu | 22 RC bugs to go | ||
| fabbione | calc: can you open a bug in bugzilla towards xserver-xfree86: module loader broken on amd64 | 06:15 |
| fabbione | ops | 06:15 |
| doko | lamont: around! | 06:24 |
| mdz | lamont: yes | 06:28 |
| mdz | 22 bugs! | 06:29 |
| mdz | today was a good day | 06:29 |
| mdz | fabbione: early morning? | 06:29 |
| fabbione | mdz: as usual | 06:29 |
| fabbione | ;) | 06:29 |
| === lamont is trying to figure out which tetex-b* he is supposed to use for his regression testing, etc... | ||
| fabbione | lamont: there is one on chinstrap/~doko | 06:31 |
| fabbione | if that's the last one | 06:31 |
| doko | fabbione: it is | 06:32 |
| lamont | given how long it'll take, I'm tempted to wait until morning and sanity return | 06:32 |
| lamont | but I'll fetch that. | 06:33 |
| mdz | lamont: CCed you on the relevant bug | 06:33 |
| lamont | mdz: yeah, but I didn't see any relevant info in the bug... | 06:33 |
| doko | lamont: do you let a buildd rebuild the packages? | 06:33 |
| lamont | doko: scp ~doko/tetex,yes? | 06:34 |
| mdz | lamont: the title of the bug is "Non-free file license in tetex-base" | 06:34 |
| doko | lamont: correct | 06:34 |
| lamont | doko: I actually have another chroot on the buildd that I toss them at, so that they don't automatically upload | 06:34 |
| lamont | mdz: re-reading 2066 provides no usable information, other than the fact that I was cc'ed for regression testing.... | 06:35 |
| doko | do you have a list of packages to rebuild? | 06:35 |
| lamont | whatever apt-cache showpkg tetex-base ... tells me... | 06:38 |
| mdz | mako: is "Spell Checkking" in traffic an error or tongue-in-cheek? | 06:38 |
| lamont | should be speel checkking if intentional, dammit. :-) | 06:41 |
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| doko | lamont: not enough, IMO a test-rebuild of packages build depending on tetex-bin|tetex-extra|tetex-base is needed | 06:45 |
| fabbione | mako: there is a typo in traffic #06. http://.www.ubuntulinux.org/community/teams | 06:47 |
| fabbione | you added a "." too much in the url | 06:47 |
| mdz | justdave: is your Warty system in #1379 up-to-date? | 06:51 |
| lamont | dpkg: error processing tetex-bin (--configure): | 06:51 |
| lamont | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 30 | 06:51 |
| lamont | I thought that was fixed? | 06:51 |
| lamont | doko: yeah, that was the first ... in the list :-) | 06:51 |
| === lamont decides to deal with things in the morning | ||
| lamont | night all. | 06:52 |
| justdave | mdz: 2.6.8.1-3 kernel, newest one. | 06:52 |
| fabbione | night lamont | 06:52 |
| justdave | I've got a 10/04 daily already burned sitting here, I'd be happy to wipe it and reinstall if you'd like | 06:52 |
| fabbione | mdz: we have some problems with X on amd64 | 06:53 |
| fabbione | mdz: the solution is everything other than simple | 06:53 |
| justdave | I last updated it with synaptic about 2 days ago (when it picked up the new kernel) | 06:55 |
| fabbione | mdz: apparently the module loader is broken in some cases and the only solution seems to be to compile a server with modules compiled in, but than users won't be able to install the nvidia drivers for example | 06:55 |
| fabbione | mdz: otherwise they need to run the -dbg package | 06:55 |
| fabbione | mdz: i am really NOT sure what to do here | 06:55 |
| fabbione | and backporting the xorg server with possible fixes is not an option at 7 days from release | 06:56 |
| fabbione | mdz: an option could be to install both -dbg and the normal server on amd64 defaulting to the -dbg one | 06:56 |
| lamont | mdz: want I should build everything in universe that depends them too? | 06:58 |
| lamont | hrm.. build-depends, not depends... | 06:58 |
| lamont | more work. | 06:58 |
| mdz | justdave: can you try booting the non-smp kernel with only one parameter, root=/dev/hda11? | 07:00 |
| mdz | justdave: with no 'quiet' or 'splash'? | 07:00 |
| justdave | mdz: did that, it didn't help. | 07:00 |
| justdave | (tried that first before I added the devfs thing) | 07:00 |
| mdz | very weird | 07:01 |
| mdz | justdave: this is a default, non-expert install with an ext3 root filesystem? | 07:01 |
| mdz | fabbione: in which cases is the module loader broken? | 07:02 |
| justdave | mdz: that is correct | 07:02 |
| mdz | fabbione: I have not experienced any problems with the nv driver | 07:02 |
| mdz | justdave: could you try booting with rootfstype=ext3 ? | 07:02 |
| mdz | justdave: and if that doesn't work, rootfstype=ext2? | 07:02 |
| justdave | I asked earlier and no-one answered... does it mean anything significant if the installer uses a red background? | 07:04 |
| lamont | mdz/doko: builds started. | 07:04 |
| lamont | 25 packages (not in universe) to build | 07:04 |
| lamont | s/not in universe/in main/ | 07:04 |
| justdave | I remember always seeing it blue before, but I just realized when I boot the CD on the dual G4 it comes up red | 07:05 |
| fabbione | mdz: someone reported the problem with Nv, and calc yesterday with ATI | 07:05 |
| fabbione | mdz: the server gets a SIG11 | 07:05 |
| mdz | lamont: don't worry about universe | 07:05 |
| fabbione | and dies | 07:05 |
| lamont | mdz: right. | 07:05 |
| mdz | fabbione: repeatable? | 07:05 |
| lamont | that also kinda ignores restricted... will check. :-) | 07:05 |
| fabbione | mdz: yes | 07:05 |
| fabbione | mdz: installing the -dbg works | 07:05 |
| mdz | fabbione: is there a bug filed? | 07:06 |
| fabbione | mdz: calc did a test for me creating a normal server but with modules compiled in and it worked | 07:06 |
| lamont | no build-deps from restricted | 07:06 |
| fabbione | mdz: calc was going to do so soon | 07:06 |
| mdz | if the module loader were broken on amd64, I would expect it to fail for me as well | 07:06 |
| justdave | ok, with rootfstype=ext3, it hangs. | 07:07 |
| justdave | rebooting now to try it with ext2 | 07:07 |
| fabbione | mdz: i am not sure exactly in which conditions it breaks | 07:08 |
| lamont | hrmpf. and then there were 23. :-( WTH? | 07:08 |
| justdave | lamont: I bumped up 1379 | 07:09 |
| lamont | ah, ok. | 07:09 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:lamont] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion on #ubuntu | 23 RC bugs to go | ||
| justdave | which may get bumped down again unless we find an easy way to fix it. there's a lot of dual ppc's out there, but it's a pretty small chunk of our overall audience. | 07:09 |
| fabbione | mdz: 1999 | 07:10 |
| === lamont fixes another trivial non-RC bug (debootstrap/ia64) | ||
| fabbione | s/mdz/guys: | 07:10 |
| justdave | rootfstype=ext2 hangs also | 07:10 |
| fabbione | i really have no idea wtf is wrong on that system | 07:10 |
| lamont | doko/mdz: builds running on all 3 architectures. since gcc-3.[34] is involved, I'll check in the morning... | 07:13 |
| lamont | night for real, all. | 07:13 |
| lamont | fwiw, I had to dpkg --purge tetex-bin in my amd64 chroot (albeit old) before I could successfully install it... 30 == debconf return, of course. | 07:14 |
| lamont | must investigate that... | 07:14 |
| doko | lamont: you can drop gcc-3.[34] , it's not needed. | 07:16 |
| lamont | doko: yeah, but I'm going to bed anyway, and it should finish by morning either way. | 07:19 |
| lamont | anyway, to bed. | 07:19 |
| mdz | fabbione: re: 1999, maybe a debconf problem? | 07:25 |
| fabbione | mdz: if it was a debconf problem, both debian and us will be sharing approx 20000 bugs | 07:28 |
| mdz | fabbione: maybe try DEBCONF_DEBUG=.* | 07:28 |
| fabbione | that script didn't change for ages | 07:28 |
| fabbione | even Overfiend doesn't understand what the problem is | 07:29 |
| mdz | fabbione: perhaps something is messing with the debconf file descriptor? | 07:29 |
| fabbione | mdz: i really really doubt.. we are shipping that file since 4.3.0-1 was out | 07:30 |
| fabbione | joeyh told me that debconf dies automatically once the script exit | 07:33 |
| fabbione | that is by design | 07:33 |
| fabbione | if it was a debconf leak, we would be able to see it everywhere | 07:33 |
| daniels | justdave: any chance there could be any way we could get slimmed-down bug pages? | 07:34 |
| fabbione | hey daniels | 07:35 |
| fabbione | daniels: how is going the organization for the Xsprint meeting? | 07:35 |
| justdave | information overload? | 07:35 |
| fabbione | daniels: there are only 3 weeks left | 07:35 |
| fabbione | daniels: did you find a hotel room or something? | 07:35 |
| mdz | justdave: can you send dmesg output from the uniprocessor kernel booted with devfs=mount? | 07:37 |
| justdave | hmm, yaboot doesn't let you pass command line params like lilo does? | 07:40 |
| mdz | dunno | 07:40 |
| justdave | (I'd been editing yaboot.conf and running ybin before, but since I was in the process of rebooting as you said that anyway, figured I'd try it from the boot prompt - didn't work) | 07:40 |
| mdz | I've never tried | 07:40 |
| justdave | ok, with devfs=mount, it still hangs. | 07:43 |
| justdave | trying again with dall | 07:43 |
| fabbione | mdz: 2073.. i think that's the easiest solution in a short term. | 07:44 |
| fabbione | mdz: i don't believe they will ever manage to fix the licence in 7 days | 07:44 |
| mdz | fabbione: how did it get into main? | 07:45 |
| mdz | fabbione: does something build | 07:45 |
| mdz | -depend on it? | 07:45 |
| daniels | justdave: even if it's just back to the component text box with no selector | 07:45 |
| fabbione | apt-cache rdepends shows only the 3 packages i mentioned | 07:45 |
| daniels | fabbione: not too bad, I've been way too busy lately (moving back home today) and am organising stuff like that | 07:45 |
| fabbione | mdz: iirc we forced it into main | 07:46 |
| daniels | fabbione: is starting on the 1st or the 8th better for you? | 07:46 |
| fabbione | daniels: up to you. | 07:46 |
| mdz | fabbione: if it is not in one of the seeds, and it is not depended upon by another package, it should not be in main | 07:46 |
| fabbione | daniels: as i wrote you can come the 1st and stay until Dec Conf | 07:46 |
| justdave | daniels: oh, you mean the download size on the page because of the component list? | 07:46 |
| mdz | elmo has a tool which shows the differences between germinate and the archive, and it should have shown up there | 07:46 |
| fabbione | daniels: but you need a room somewhere | 07:46 |
| mdz | maybe elmo snuck it in because he needs it to implement the easter egg | 07:47 |
| fabbione | mdz: i didn't check the seeds yet... | 07:47 |
| fabbione | could be.. | 07:47 |
| mdz | fabbione: it's not in supported or desktop | 07:47 |
| mdz | I don't have germinate stuff on my laptop | 07:47 |
| fabbione | neither do I here (in general)( | 07:47 |
| fabbione | web? | 07:47 |
| mdz | figlet | figlet | linda (Build-Depend) | Carlos Laviola <claviola@debian.org> | 149092 | 832 | 07:47 |
| mdz | fabbione: linda build-depends-indep | 07:48 |
| fabbione | WTF | 07:48 |
| fabbione | why the hell linda build-dep on figlet | 07:48 |
| fabbione | mdz: should we kick linda? | 07:48 |
| mdz | fabbione: no, but we could fix it | 07:49 |
| fabbione | so that figlet will be dropped to universe? | 07:49 |
| fabbione | mdz: kick = fix linda | 07:49 |
| mdz | yes | 07:49 |
| mdz | fabbione: I thought you meant kick = kick linda out | 07:49 |
| daniels | fabbione: ah, right | 07:49 |
| fabbione | well.. that too :-))) | 07:49 |
| daniels | justdave: yeah, it really hurts my modem | 07:49 |
| fabbione | linda (0.3.1) unstable; urgency=low | 07:50 |
| fabbione | * Building: | 07:50 |
| fabbione | - Put figlet, groff-base, file in the Build-Depends, since passing the | 07:50 |
| fabbione | test suite is required for building. (Closes: #245407) | 07:50 |
| fabbione | mdz: i am taking the bug and see what we can do about it :-) | 07:51 |
| mdz | ok | 07:51 |
| fabbione | i don't think it is too dangerous to drop that specific test suite | 07:51 |
| fabbione | since it has been tested already several times | 07:51 |
| mako | mdz: that subject was a joke.. if people dont' get it i can change it :) | 07:55 |
| mako | fabbione: thanks, fixed in arch | 07:55 |
| fabbione | mdz: permission to upload linda :-)))) | 07:55 |
| mdz | fabbione: sounds good | 07:56 |
| fabbione | mdz: change is trivial. 2 lines modified in the tests/run_tests.py | 07:57 |
| fabbione | mdz: nothing more than that | 07:57 |
| fabbione | package builds fine | 07:57 |
| mdz | fabbione: works for me | 07:57 |
| mdz | fabbione: check germinate rdepends to make sure nothing else uses it that I missed | 07:58 |
| === daniels stares at Qantas. | ||
| justdave | mdz: now I can't make it boot with devfs=mount,dall either. I think it was a fluke when it booted the first time. | 07:59 |
| daniels | Melbourne<->London $1845, Melbourne<->Copenhagen $9363. | 07:59 |
| fabbione | it seems to be only linda | 07:59 |
| fabbione | daniels: buy a Melbourne<->London with quantas and SAS from London to Copenhagen | 08:00 |
| fabbione | SAS or maerskair | 08:00 |
| daniels | fabbione: that's what I'm going to do | 08:00 |
| daniels | fabbione: given I'm Melbourne->London->Copenhagen->London->Spain->London->Melbourne (no direct flights from Spain) | 08:01 |
| fabbione | daniels: isn't easier: Melbourne->London->Copenhagen->Spain->London->Melbourne ? | 08:01 |
| fabbione | you can skip to fly to london again IF you want to stay around here | 08:02 |
| fabbione | it's up to you | 08:02 |
| fabbione | also.. we don't know if it is Spain yet | 08:02 |
| mdz | justdave: I see; please update the bug if you haven't already | 08:31 |
| mdz | justdave: how many times have you tried booting? maybe it's a race condition and it works sometimes? | 08:31 |
| sladen | daniels: what type of dollahs are those? | 08:37 |
| daniels | sladen: $au | 08:37 |
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| pitti | Hi guys! | 09:24 |
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| fabbione | mdz: can i fix 2049? | 09:45 |
| fabbione | pitti: peer-review for 2049: one line change: s/cupsd/cupsys/ in the init script on a var used only to print the name of the script in case of "usage" | 09:51 |
| pitti | fabbione: #2049: it looks like you should rather s/reload/force-reload/? | 09:52 |
| pitti | fabbione: ah , soory | 09:53 |
| fabbione | pitti: no no.. the reload has been removed on purpose | 09:53 |
| pitti | fabbione: no, you are right | 09:53 |
| pitti | fabbione: yes, that was me :-) | 09:53 |
| fabbione | tsk :P | 09:53 |
| pitti | fabbione: I thought that was an error message by another program calling cupsys init script | 09:53 |
| pitti | fabbione: looks trivial | 09:54 |
| fabbione | pitti: wouldn't be better to leave the reload pointing to stop/start ? | 09:54 |
| fabbione | pitti: yes i am asking peer review before uploading :-) | 09:54 |
| pitti | fabbione: well, it does not really reload cupsys, but restart it | 09:55 |
| pitti | fabbione: reload is optional anyway, force-reload is the one which must exist | 09:55 |
| fabbione | right | 09:55 |
| fabbione | ok can i go for the s/ upload? | 09:55 |
| pitti | fabbione: before my changes, there really was a reload option in cups (which restarted 90% of the system anyway, but it was the same process) | 09:55 |
| pitti | fabbione: but that did not work as non-root, so I restarted cups completely | 09:56 |
| fabbione | yesi read the changelog | 09:56 |
| fabbione | pitti: you still didn't answer my question ;) | 09:56 |
| fabbione | <fabbione> ok can i go for the s/ upload? | 09:57 |
| pitti | fabbione: yes, I thought I said so | 09:57 |
| fabbione | oky | 09:57 |
| fabbione | done | 09:59 |
| fabbione | one orphaned bug less | 09:59 |
| plovs_work | where is the transcript of yesterdays technical board meeting? | 10:06 |
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| pitti | mdz: shall I care for DSA 558-1? (security bug in apache) | 10:15 |
| fabbione | pitti: ? | 10:17 |
| fabbione | for which version of apache? | 10:17 |
| pitti | fabbione: this DSA talks about a fixed problem in 2.0.51-1 | 10:17 |
| pitti | fabbione: but we still have 2.0.50-something | 10:18 |
| pitti | fabbione: or did you already fix it in ubuntu3? | 10:18 |
| fabbione | pitti: i think thom did backport the fixes already | 10:18 |
| fabbione | and please.. call it apache2 :-) | 10:18 |
| fabbione | apache = apache1.3 ;) | 10:18 |
| pitti | fabbione: okay, next time :-) | 10:18 |
| pitti | fabbione, mdz: forget about this, it's already fixed. Sorry | 10:20 |
| fabbione | plovs_work: there was no meeting as far as i can tell | 10:21 |
| Mithrandir | doko_: is the fritz driver in the restricted modules package now? (on i386)? | 10:26 |
| plovs_work | fabbione, ok, misread wiki then, sorry | 10:27 |
| doko_ | Mithrandir: no, the person at AVM was in vacation the last two weeks. He emailed we yesterday that he will respond soon. | 10:28 |
| doko_ | what kind of agreement (email/fax) do we need to redistribute the drivers? | 10:29 |
| Mithrandir | doko_: ok; if you could prod me once we have them, I'll be happy to test on my gateway. | 10:29 |
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| pitti | Can anybody please peer-review the patch in #2069? It's a bit ugly, but minimal and unintrusive | 11:08 |
| elmo_ | pitti: looks okay to me | 11:12 |
| elmo_ | (I assume the configuration is dealt with by pppconfig or something similar?) | 11:15 |
| fabbione | pitti: what about dpkg-reconfigure? | 11:15 |
| fabbione | wouldn't the exit 0 kill it completely? | 11:15 |
| pitti | fabbione: yes | 11:16 |
| pitti | fabbione: there's wvdialconf | 11:16 |
| elmo_ | so would the exit 0 that's already there? :) | 11:16 |
| pitti | fabbione: and there are the gnome-system-tools | 11:16 |
| fabbione | pitti: ok | 11:16 |
| pitti | elmo_, fabbione: right, if /etc/wvdial.conf exists, the old code did nothing anyway | 11:16 |
| elmo_ | SKIP (too new) | 11:17 |
| elmo_ | Rejected: Unknown distribution `unstable'. | 11:17 |
| elmo_ | pitti: ----^ | 11:17 |
| pitti | elmo_: gar, sorry. I'll upload again. | 11:17 |
| elmo_ | *blush* that's in the interdiff, I suck too | 11:17 |
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| tof-- | hi all | 11:23 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:fabbione] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion on #ubuntu | 20 RC bugs to go | ||
| fabbione | Mithrandir: 1854 | 11:38 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: does it happen if you run only apt-extracttemplates on a large amount of debs? | 11:39 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: haven't tried yet. | 11:39 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: that can be a test case... | 11:39 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: in order to get the % counter i modified slightly the perl script that calls apt-extracttemplates | 11:40 |
| fabbione | i doubt the bug is in the modifications but it can be related to perl? | 11:40 |
| Mithrandir | I wonder if it has to do with threading, somehow. | 11:41 |
| Mithrandir | or c++ | 11:41 |
| Mithrandir | but it's weird that gzip is the one hanging | 11:41 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:fabbione] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion on #ubuntu | 19 RC bugs to go | ||
| fabbione | time to prepare some food | 12:00 |
| amu | fabbione: is your GF in vacation ;) | 12:03 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: 2097, worksforme, ok with you? | 12:04 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: as in, the patch fixes it for me. | 12:04 |
| seb128 | ok, I'll upload the fix | 12:05 |
| Mithrandir | thanks | 12:05 |
| Mithrandir | it also does a ton of translation, config.{guess,sub}, some XML files updates here. | 12:06 |
| seb128 | np | 12:06 |
| thom | pitti: the bug in 2.0.51 only affects 2.0.51 | 12:09 |
| thom | so, you won't see anything in the changelog | 12:09 |
| pitti | thom: nevermind, I already saw that the security fix from 2.0.51 was already backported. Thanks anyway | 12:09 |
| fabbione | amu: eheheh no.. she is at work :-)) | 12:12 |
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| sivang | anybody messed with dpkg / apt / aptitude recently? aptitude upgrade last night, now my warty is dead... | 12:19 |
| sivang | kernel boots (i think) however , "cannot execute /sbin/mgetty" | 12:20 |
| sivang | "ld has spawned too fast" | 12:20 |
| sivang | ?? | 12:20 |
| pitti | Hi sivang! | 12:24 |
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| rburton | hm, no "ant" package in universe. i presume contrib isn't being autobuilt into universe | 12:29 |
| thom | rburton: nyet | 12:33 |
| rburton | darn | 12:34 |
| elmo_ | not yet, | 12:35 |
| rburton | it seems that shutdown with nfs homes hangs | 12:36 |
| rburton | would this be a known bug? | 12:36 |
| rburton | it appears that something is trying to access portmap, but that has already been shutdown | 12:36 |
| pitti | rburton: I can't find it in bugzilla | 12:37 |
| rburton | k | 12:38 |
| === rburton curses https site certificates | ||
| elmo_ | amen | 12:40 |
| === elmo_ is getting openssl(1) to segfault simply by having a reference to a non-existent file. quality. | ||
| hazmat | hi folks, i have a long install report i wrote up with some suggestions and issues, i'm wondering which list to send it to.. any suggestions? | 12:49 |
| fabbione | hazmat: ubuntu-users | 12:51 |
| hazmat | is sounder dead then? | 12:52 |
| fabbione | hazmat: it was changed to chitchat something, but basically yes | 12:54 |
| hazmat | fabbione: ok, thanks. | 12:56 |
| fabbione | np | 12:58 |
| sivang | hey pitti, whassup? | 01:06 |
| pitti | sivang: the usual stuff, bug fixing :-) | 01:07 |
| sivang | pitti : ofcourse. I see 19 only now. good work:-) | 01:07 |
| sivang | for everybody ofcourse ;-) | 01:08 |
| fabbione | i think i am into BDSM | 01:15 |
| fabbione | i hate X, i love X | 01:15 |
| fabbione | i can't sleep at night thinking how to switch to X.org | 01:15 |
| fabbione | but i don't feel happy if i don't fix it | 01:16 |
| === fabbione is on the edge of a X nerves breakdown | ||
| thom | addict :-) | 01:25 |
| fabbione | thom: really.. it's becoming a drug | 01:27 |
| fabbione | someone needs to take X away from me | 01:27 |
| === fabbione can't wait the 1st of Nov to start the X-Men meeting :-) | ||
| sivang | fabbione : X-Men?? ;) | 01:30 |
| fabbione | people that maintains X ;) | 01:30 |
| fabbione | basically me and daniels | 01:30 |
| fabbione | we all have some kind of unnatural power | 01:30 |
| DrXavier | see | 01:31 |
| DrXavier | i can read and control people mind | 01:31 |
| sivang | fabbione : then I'll be Wolverine ;-) | 01:49 |
| === sivang rebooting. see ya all laterz | ||
| elmo_ | fabbione with mind control - women of the world RUN AWAY.. | 01:49 |
| elmo_ | :P | 01:49 |
| fabbione | elmo_: ahha | 01:50 |
| fabbione | too bad Xavier is on a wheel chair ;) | 01:50 |
| azeem | it's always the X maintainers who strive for that super power | 01:50 |
| fabbione | azeem: WE HAVE SUPER POWERS | 01:50 |
| fabbione | :P | 01:50 |
| === azeem fears keithp :) | ||
| fabbione | ok.. time to stop for today | 01:53 |
| fabbione | my brain is melting down | 01:53 |
| thom | -rw-r--r-- 1 thom 98693974 2004-10-06 12:52 ../mozilla-firefox_0.99+1.0PR.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb | 01:54 |
| thom | *ahem* | 01:54 |
| pitti | fabbione: don't let that happen | 01:54 |
| fabbione | thom: HOLY S**T! | 01:54 |
| fabbione | what did you break this time? | 01:55 |
| pitti | thom: what's with this version? I already have it installed... | 01:55 |
| pitti | thom: ugh, it's a bit biiiiiig | 01:55 |
| pitti | thom: is this the debugging version? | 01:55 |
| fabbione | slightly :-) | 01:55 |
| azeem | it has the WWW pre-cached | 01:55 |
| pitti | ALL the www? | 01:56 |
| fabbione | PR0N!!! | 01:56 |
| thom | yes, this is the magical no-internet-required version | 01:56 |
| === fabbione apt-get updates | ||
| pitti | http://unluckystar.net/media/downloadwww.gif | 01:56 |
| thom | totally unstripped, -O0 | 01:56 |
| pitti | thom: unstripped? so it *is* kind of p0rn :-) | 01:57 |
| rburton | poor poor thom | 01:57 |
| pitti | thom: are you able to get a nice backtrace for the crashing sites? | 01:58 |
| fabbione | at least it is VERY sexy! | 01:58 |
| pitti | thom: a guy on the mailing list enumerated a few other sites that crash for him | 01:58 |
| thom | pitti: yeah | 01:58 |
| thom | it crashes reproducibly in gmail | 01:58 |
| thom | seb128: dpkg -L libatk1.0-dbg|grep atk-1 | 02:01 |
| thom | /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libatk-1.0.so.0.800.0 | 02:01 |
| thom | um, me thinks that ain't quite right | 02:01 |
| seb128 | thom: should be directly in /usr/lib/debug ? | 02:02 |
| thom | that's what libgtk2.0-dbg and libpango1.0-dbg have, yeah | 02:02 |
| seb128 | $ ls /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/ | 02:03 |
| seb128 | gtk-2.0 libcspi.so.0.10.4 libgnomeui-0 libloginhelper.so.0.0.0 | 02:03 |
| seb128 | libatk-1.0.so.0.800.0 libglade libgnomeui-2.so.0.800.0 libspi.so.0.10.4 | 02:03 |
| seb128 | grumpf | 02:03 |
| thom | pitti: i should've let you take this on, i can't work it out at all | 02:10 |
| pitti | thom: I can debug the crash if you want | 02:10 |
| pitti | thom: Can I download the deb somewhere? | 02:10 |
| Kamion | pitti: surely unstripped is precisely the opposite of pr0n ... | 02:11 |
| pitti | Kamion: ugh, right. | 02:11 |
| thom | pitti: it's a 90 meg deb, it'll take longer than a couple of hours to upload it :/ | 02:11 |
| pitti | thom: okay, then I will build it on my own | 02:12 |
| thom | pitti: i'll send you my debian/ | 02:12 |
| pitti | thom: did you do any changes in it? | 02:12 |
| pitti | thom: did you adopt the DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS thingy? | 02:12 |
| thom | yeah, adopted those, and added some more to get the libraries stripped | 02:12 |
| pitti | thom: doesn't take dh_strip care of it? | 02:13 |
| elmo_ | thom: tube it to the DC ;-) | 02:13 |
| thom | pitti: you need to pass --disable-strip --disable-strip-libs to configure | 02:13 |
| pitti | thom: ah, nice | 02:13 |
| pitti | thom: of course I already deleted the stuff yesterday, apt-get source'ing again :-) | 02:14 |
| thom | d'oh :/ | 02:15 |
| thom | pitti: my BT is at http://www.planetarytramp.net/firefox-bt | 02:18 |
| pitti | thom: nice. #95, var_args looks scary, but maybe that's normal | 02:20 |
| thom | yeah, that one concerned me a little | 02:21 |
| pitti | thom: did you already send me your debian/? SO far I've got no mail | 02:23 |
| pitti | thom: source download is complete, I can start to build it | 02:23 |
| thom | it's cleaning, currently | 02:23 |
| thom | wait one | 02:23 |
| pitti | thom: got it, thanks | 02:27 |
| pitti | thom: is it normal that most of the dpatches aren't included in 00list? | 02:28 |
| thom | pitti: yeah, i turned them off | 02:29 |
| thom | to try and work out if it was a problem with one of the patches | 02:29 |
| pitti | thom: ah; should they be normally turned on? | 02:29 |
| thom | normally they'd be turned on | 02:29 |
| elmo_ | is it linking anything statically? | 02:30 |
| elmo_ | if not, just blame doko and be done with it ;-) | 02:30 |
| thom | heh | 02:30 |
| pitti | thom: 06_fix_freetype_compile was added by you, but it's not in the changelog nor in 00list; shall I enable it? | 02:30 |
| thom | no, leave that turned off | 02:31 |
| thom | sorry, that's stolen from redhat and looked initially like they added it in response to similar problems | 02:31 |
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| daniels | Kamion: comments on #1683, #1301? | 02:35 |
| Kamion | since new installs of openssh since 1:3.8p1-2 have set PasswordAuthentication no | 02:35 |
| Kamion | daniels: fixing #1683 properly involves going through languagechooser, countrychooser, base-config termwrap, and possibly console-data, and making sure they all have the right answers for that locale. | 02:36 |
| Kamion | I don't think automatic unicode_start is the right answer | 02:37 |
| Kamion | if you want to take care of that bug you're welcome ... | 02:37 |
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| daniels | Kamion: ahr. I might levae it to someone who has a slightly better idea of what they're doing, in that case ;) | 02:37 |
| Kamion | daniels: for #1301, xfs_freeze is not anywhere near sufficient, I'm afraid; Daniel Silverstone and I spent most of last Friday trying all the possibilities we could think of and failed | 02:38 |
| daniels | Kamion: er? I was always able to hack around it with xfs_freeze followed by xfs_unfreeze | 02:38 |
| Kamion | daniels: if you want to learn about localization in the installer, #1683 is a good place to start :) you'll probably know more about it than me by the time you're finished ... | 02:38 |
| Kamion | daniels: it's a race condition - you were lucky | 02:38 |
| daniels | Kamion: heh | 02:38 |
| daniels | Kamion: oh, hooray. whacky. | 02:38 |
| Kamion | you don't need xfs_freeze in a udeb anyway, because the obvious place to put it is in grub-install and that gets run inside a chroot | 02:39 |
| Kamion | but we did try xfs_freeze -f /boot/grub followed by xfs_freeze -u /boot/grub, and grub still hung | 02:39 |
| Kamion | (in grub-install) | 02:39 |
| daniels | Kamion: ah, in the chroot, that's OK | 02:40 |
| Kamion | daniels: I'm almost tempted to say that the right answer for warty is to make the install fail hard at partitioning if you try to put /boot on XFS | 02:40 |
| Kamion | there's already a warning I think, but people ignore it | 02:40 |
| daniels | Kamion: yeah, fair enough | 02:41 |
| daniels | Kamion: or grub-install; sleep 10; killall -9 grub-install; xfs_freeze; xfs_unfreeze; grub-install :P | 02:41 |
| Kamion | possibly :) | 02:41 |
| Kamion | or unmount /target, which we think is the only reliable way, but is *very* hairy to do at that point ... | 02:42 |
| daniels | um, btw, if that gets implemented, I didn't suggest it | 02:42 |
| daniels | Kamion: does xfs_freeze; sync; xfs_unfreeze help? | 02:43 |
| Kamion | not as far as I recall | 02:44 |
| Kamion | we also tried sync; xfs_freeze -f; xfs_freeze -u; sync | 02:45 |
| daniels | argh! | 02:45 |
| daniels | freeze->sync->unfreeze would make the most sense to my mind, since freeze just blocks/queues all IO, and unfreeze reallows it | 02:46 |
| daniels | maybe you want sync->freeze->sync->unfreeze(->sync?) | 02:46 |
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| Kamion | possibly, but apparently sync only guarantees that the data has been written to the journal, not to the disk | 02:46 |
| Kamion | s/disk/actual filesystem/ | 02:46 |
| Kamion | there was a thread about it from March on the xfs-devel list; Google finds it fairly easily | 02:47 |
| daniels | iirc _freeze flushes the journal, though | 02:47 |
| Kamion | freeze; unfreeze worked for the Fedora guy apparently, but we duplicated what he did as closely as possible and it didn't work for us | 02:47 |
| daniels | The -f flag requests the specified XFS filesystem to be frozen from new modifications. When this is | 02:47 |
| daniels | selected, all ongoing transactions in the filesystem are allowed to complete, [...] | 02:47 |
| Kamion | the whole thing scares me too much at this stage, I'd rather forbid it and revisit it for Hoary | 02:48 |
| daniels | yeah, if it's looking so shakily non-trivial | 02:49 |
| Kamion | we're going to get very little testing of installer changes from now on, so they do need to be safe | 02:49 |
| daniels | yeah | 02:49 |
| Kamion | it's basically only the sort of people who grab daily builds | 02:49 |
| daniels | hence why you can have 1683 | 02:49 |
| Kamion | damn, I wanted to give that to you. :) | 02:49 |
| daniels | dude, I'm not going to break the installer a fortnight before Warty :P | 02:50 |
| daniels | i mean, learning about stuff is fun and cool, but, er | 02:50 |
| Kamion | I'm happy to review your changes, I'm confident I can tell the difference between something that will break things and something that won't | 02:50 |
| daniels | hm, OK | 02:50 |
| daniels | i might snarf it, then | 02:50 |
| daniels | feel free to reassign; you'll probably get to the bug in the next half an hour, before the page loads here :P | 02:51 |
| Kamion | daniels: also I think there's a similar bug in Debian that's been discussed recently | 02:51 |
| Kamion | look in the changelogs of the packages I mentioned | 02:51 |
| Kamion | possibly solved, even | 02:51 |
| daniels | Kamion: sure, I'll check it out when I get back from the supermarket | 02:51 |
| Kamion | thanks, will reassign | 02:51 |
| daniels | cleaning products and energy drinks: two great tastes that taste great together | 02:51 |
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| lamont | doko/mdz: i386/amd64 built everything they tried (all build-dep-ing), ppc is still chunking away... | 03:07 |
| thom | anyone care to review https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=356 ? | 03:10 |
| daniels | thom: would suggest using modprobe -q instead of redirection, but it fits in nicely with the style, so meh; that aside, the only comment I have is `` -> $() | 03:12 |
| daniels | thom: looks otherwise correct | 03:12 |
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| thom | daniels: 14:13 < tbm> StevenK: hey, do you know how to contact daniels? apparently his email's not working or something | 03:13 |
| daniels | gah. thanks for the heads-up. | 03:18 |
| sivang | has both lp and gnome-daemon-settings bug been fixed? | 03:20 |
| thom | daniels: on OFTC #d-d | 03:20 |
| sivang | where have all critical bugs went? ;-)) | 03:20 |
| Mithrandir | sivang: crushed. :) | 03:21 |
| sivang | Mithrandir : wowo :-)) can I find them (see what's been done to fix) on the "closed" bugs? | 03:22 |
| Kamion | they're all in bugzilla ... | 03:22 |
| thom | ok, and https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=357 (it's unbelievably trivial) | 03:23 |
| rburton | and i assumed you were loading toshiba_acpi on purpose | 03:24 |
| thom | heh. | 03:25 |
| thom | i assume the eventual intent is to handle this crap with hotplug | 03:25 |
| === Kamion checks in all his openssh changes and ponders uploading | ||
| Kinnison | thom: have you uploaded the nice new acpi-support yet? | 03:26 |
| thom | no, i should get that reviewed too | 03:26 |
| Kinnison | thom: It's getting *really* tired having to plug my laptop in to shut it down | 03:26 |
| thom | Kinnison: i forgot, matt already said i could upload. done | 03:30 |
| Kinnison | thom: rock on | 03:31 |
| Kinnison | thom: I'll let you know how I get on later | 03:31 |
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| thom | coolies | 03:34 |
| pitti | thom: mine is bigger than yours :-) | 04:01 |
| pitti | thom: -rw-r--r-- 1 martin martin 10645500 2004-10-06 15:59 mozilla-firefox_0.99+1.0PR.1-0ubuntu1.1_i386.deb | 04:01 |
| pitti | thom: no, it isn't. A digit it missing... | 04:01 |
| === rburton can't wait for thom to be assigned to oo.o bug hunting | ||
| thom | heh | 04:03 |
| pitti | thom: DAMN! After two hours of compiling this thing is still stripped | 04:03 |
| pitti | thom: What did I do wrong? I built with DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip,noopt debuild -us -uc -b | 04:03 |
| pitti | thom: and indeed the files were compiled with -g -O0 | 04:04 |
| thom | that's exactly what i did | 04:04 |
| pitti | thom: $ file browser/app/firefox-bin | 04:04 |
| pitti | browser/app/firefox-bin: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped | 04:04 |
| === pitti cries a little | ||
| Mithrandir | pitti: rm browser/app/firefox-bin ; make ? | 04:05 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: and all the libraries? | 04:05 |
| pitti | thom: your --disable-strip logic is wrong, AFAICS | 04:06 |
| thom | huh | 04:06 |
| thom | file ~/tmp/x86-home/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin | 04:06 |
| thom | /home/thom/tmp/x86-home/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped | 04:06 |
| pitti | thom: ifeq (,$(findstring nostrip,$(DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS))) will be false if you give nostrip | 04:06 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: find -name \*.so | xargs rm as well, then? | 04:06 |
| thom | i'm sure i gave you the version i was using | 04:07 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: yes, something along that line. Thanks, will try | 04:07 |
| pitti | thom: I think ifeq needs to be changed to ifneq | 04:07 |
| pitti | thom: or --disable-strip and --enable-strip swapped | 04:07 |
| thom | ifeq (,$(findstring nostrip,$(DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS))) | 04:07 |
| thom | STRIP=--enable-strip --enable-strip-libs | 04:07 |
| thom | else | 04:07 |
| thom | STRIP=--disable-strip --disable-strip-libs | 04:07 |
| thom | endif | 04:07 |
| pitti | thom: right, that's how it should be | 04:08 |
| thom | is what my debian/rules has | 04:08 |
| pitti | thom: my debian/rules has it exactly the other way round | 04:08 |
| thom | hrm. must have found an old one | 04:08 |
| thom | very, very sorry about that | 04:08 |
| pitti | thom: well, it does not matter that much, I'm busy with aptitude anyway | 04:08 |
| pitti | thom: did you change anything else? | 04:09 |
| thom | nope | 04:09 |
| pitti | thom: okay, then I will just make the swap myself. Thanks. | 04:10 |
| thom | it'll take about 40m for my .deb to upload | 04:10 |
| thom | if you want to just download that | 04:10 |
| pitti | thom: can I download it right from your machine? | 04:10 |
| pitti | thom: my connection is not faster (about 50 kB) | 04:10 |
| thom | no, i'm behind nat :/ | 04:11 |
| pitti | thom: me too :-) | 04:11 |
| pitti | thom: nevermind, I just rebuild it | 04:11 |
| pitti | thom: I will fix aptitude and maybe #1552 in the meantime | 04:11 |
| pitti | thom: or have dinner :-) | 04:11 |
| thom | pitti: heh :-) it'll be at www.planetarytramp.net/mozilla-firefox_0.99+1.0PR.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb in about 40m, so if that's fasdter it's there | 04:12 |
| pitti | thom: thanks | 04:12 |
| daniels | pitti: only 10MB? that's tiny | 04:18 |
| pitti | daniels: see above, due to a slight error in debian/rules it got stripped | 04:18 |
| daniels | pitti: even so :) | 04:18 |
| daniels | if your source tarball is less than 50MB when .bz2'd, I have no sympathy :P | 04:18 |
| pitti | daniels: well, 10 MB for a browser should be more than enough :-) | 04:18 |
| daniels | pitti: you'd think that ... | 04:19 |
| pitti | daniels: hey, in C64 times software needed to fit into 64 KBytes! :-) | 04:19 |
| daniels | do you really want to be running Moz on C64? | 04:20 |
| pitti | daniels: _even_ the graphical environment (GEOS), to be precise :-) (SCNR) | 04:20 |
| daniels | hm, that reminds me, I still need to get around to seeing how long KDE takes to load on an m68k | 04:20 |
| daniels | pitti: X is a hulking PoS, news at 11 :P | 04:21 |
| pitti | daniels: poor m68k | 04:21 |
| pitti | daniels: it already takes ages at my Duron 1.3 | 04:21 |
| === daniels has been advocating throwing away all existing X implementations and starting from scratch for ages now. | ||
| azeem | it was interesting to read keithp blog about twin | 04:22 |
| pitti | daniels: I already heard of several alternatives, one was called 'Y' and was really tiny | 04:22 |
| elmo_ | azeem: keithp blogged about ben a. ? | 04:22 |
| azeem | pitti: twin is supposed to be less than 50KB, from what I read | 04:24 |
| pitti | azeem: well, if an X replacement relies on the kernel framebuffer (or something like that), it shouldn't be that big | 04:24 |
| daniels | pitti: y is good for a laugh | 04:25 |
| pitti | azeem: but something has to provide all this 3D and network stuff, so 50 KB are certainly not enough for a Desktop | 04:25 |
| daniels | pitti: and relying on the kernel framebuffer really sucks | 04:25 |
| pitti | daniels: I know, I tested it and was pretty amused | 04:25 |
| daniels | twin is good for putting on a computer watch or something equally hypothetical | 04:25 |
| pitti | daniels: but what makes X actually so big? Only device drivers? | 04:25 |
| pitti | daniels: or layers over layers of abstraction layers which abstract other layers? | 04:25 |
| daniels | pitti: if you know anyone who wants to fund me, keithp, jaymz, anholt, ajax, and possibly andersca full-time for a year, let me know ;) | 04:25 |
| Mithrandir | does the kernel framebuffer support any kind of 3d? | 04:25 |
| daniels | pitti: drivers, support for everything under the sun, a whole crapload of useless libraries/fonts/docs (in FrameMaker format, no less), and some useless abstraction layers | 04:26 |
| daniels | drivers are also pretty big, I suppose | 04:26 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: none that I know of | 04:26 |
| daniels | Mithrandir: last I looked, there wasn't any real good 2D acceleration in any of them | 04:26 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: however, 2D support is quite good in the specialized drivers (riva, radeonfb etc.) | 04:27 |
| pitti | daniels: not? | 04:27 |
| pitti | daniels: the radeonfb driver is pretty cool | 04:27 |
| daniels | pitti: is it still as buggy? | 04:27 |
| Mithrandir | yeah, it's buggy. | 04:27 |
| daniels | pitti: last time I tried, when I got it to work, it left droppings all over my screen | 04:27 |
| pitti | daniels: on a 9200 it works like charm | 04:27 |
| pitti | daniels: no, I never encountered that | 04:28 |
| pitti | daniels: but maybe it blurbs on better radeons | 04:28 |
| daniels | pitti: i saw it on a 9000 and an 8500 | 04:28 |
| daniels | anyway, I'm killing my bandwidth by rsyncing all the fd.o CVS repos back here right now so I can do some hacking | 04:29 |
| daniels | so, I'll talk to you later :) | 04:29 |
| pitti | daniels: odd. Well, if it works on one system and crashes at another, it still counts as buggy, I suppose | 04:29 |
| === lamont reboots: new kernel | ||
| lamont | well, once X and the other 100 packages install... :-( | 04:34 |
| sivang | fabbione : integerating X.org is going to be a pain in the arse? ;-) | 04:43 |
| sivang | (seen your comments about it increasing your insomnia sympthoms ;-) | 04:44 |
| thom | pitti: 8 minutes | 04:55 |
| daniels | sivang: it's a massive amount of work | 04:56 |
| thom | pitti: done | 05:03 |
| pitti | thom: thanks! | 05:04 |
| thom | 94MB 29.8KB/s 54:00 | 05:04 |
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| lamont | yea! new metacity actually remembers what workspace a window is in! | 05:08 |
| Kamion | please review https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=361 | 05:20 |
| lamont | Kamion: nothing leaps out at me in 60 seconds or less. | 05:28 |
| daniels | Kamion: looks OK to my tired eyes | 05:28 |
| lamont | Kamion: would it be simpler to just sync the debian package? | 05:31 |
| Kamion | lamont: we've already forked it | 05:31 |
| Kamion | otherwise I would :) | 05:31 |
| lamont | right | 05:32 |
| Kamion | set_config_option is hairy but I think it's right | 05:37 |
| Kamion | uploaded | 05:40 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Kamion] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion on #ubuntu | 17 RC bugs to go | ||
| Kinnison | w00p | 05:44 |
| Kamion | ooh, I don't have the highest number of RC bugs any more | 05:45 |
| rburton | i should find the time to put ubuntu onto my laptop | 05:45 |
| rburton | then i can get thom to fix acpi for me | 05:45 |
| lamont | Kamion: yeah, but herbert's are all in _one_ package... :-) | 05:50 |
| thom | 14 of the 20 bugs assigned to me are about firefox | 05:51 |
| thom | *sigh* | 05:51 |
| elmo_ | dude, I told you were the Mozilla czar | 05:51 |
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| === lamont solicits ideas for debian #274777 (also in warty) | ||
| Mithrandir | does anybody care about ibcs? | 06:22 |
| lamont | Mithrandir: was that a vote for Conflicts? | 06:22 |
| Mithrandir | yeah | 06:22 |
| lamont | sold | 06:22 |
| Mithrandir | or talk to the ibcs maintainer | 06:22 |
| Mithrandir | what does trace(8) do? | 06:23 |
| lamont | or both. :-) | 06:23 |
| lamont | I believe that's sendmail -bt support | 06:23 |
| lamont | nope | 06:23 |
| Mithrandir | NAME | 06:23 |
| Mithrandir | bounce - Postfix message bounce or defer daemon | 06:23 |
| Mithrandir | is what I get from man 8 trace | 06:23 |
| lamont | yeah - it's the same man page for all 3 | 06:24 |
| lamont | bounce defer trace | 06:24 |
| === lamont goes digging | ||
| Mithrandir | lamont: well, dpkg -S trace | grep post only returns the man page here.. | 06:24 |
| lamont | looks to be DSN stuff | 06:26 |
| lamont | ibcs is universe | 06:26 |
| lamont | mdz: thoughts? | 06:27 |
| === lamont grumbles at people running the price up on a couple of auctions. | ||
| lamont | bidwatcher should be main, dammit. | 06:27 |
| mdz | morning | 06:28 |
| lamont | mdz: and a fine thought that is, too. :-) | 06:28 |
| mdz | lamont: both packages should be shot for naming a binary 'trace' | 06:30 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: postfix doesn't have any binaries named trace, it seems. | 06:31 |
| lamont | mdz: well, yes... I suppose I could rename it to postfix-trace | 06:31 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: it's just a service in master.cf | 06:31 |
| mdz | ah, so it's a manpage conflict? | 06:31 |
| Mithrandir | looks like it. | 06:31 |
| Mithrandir | : tfheen@yiwaz ~ > dpkg -S trace | grep /trace$ | 06:32 |
| Mithrandir | oftc-hybrid: /usr/share/oftc-hybrid/help/opers/trace | 06:32 |
| Mithrandir | irssi-text: /usr/share/irssi/help/trace | 06:32 |
| Kamion | trace.8postfix.gz? | 06:32 |
| lamont | man8/trace.8: | 06:32 |
| lamont | echo .so man8/bounce.8 >$@ | 06:32 |
| Mithrandir | (this box has postfix installed) | 06:32 |
| mdz | is ibcs even actively maintained? | 06:32 |
| Kamion | man section extensions are the standard way to solve conflicts | 06:32 |
| mdz | that sounds reasonable | 06:33 |
| lamont | Kamion: I like that - is it just a matter of delivering it as trace.8postfix? | 06:33 |
| Kamion | lamont: yes | 06:33 |
| lamont | and should I deliver all of them in that section, or just the conflicts? | 06:33 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: seen my latest comment on 1854? :/ | 06:33 |
| pitti | mdz: morning | 06:33 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: fortunately, that bug only happens to you :-P | 06:35 |
| Kamion | mdz: what do you think about this wget "security" bug? #261755 | 06:35 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: has anybody actually tried to reproduce it using the instructions I gave? | 06:35 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: yes | 06:36 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: except for the bit about "buy a P4 HT and use an SMP kernel" | 06:36 |
| mdz | Kamion: I think it's silly | 06:36 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: well, given that you need a P4 HT.. :) | 06:36 |
| Kamion | that was my initial reaction | 06:37 |
| mdz | Jan Minar has filed a bunch of similar bugs | 06:37 |
| Kamion | mdz: I'm being asked to review it for pushing into sarge | 06:37 |
| mdz | I'm waiting for the one against cat(1) | 06:37 |
| mdz | where it will allow arbitrary characters to be displayed on the terminal | 06:37 |
| Kamion | can I quote you there, to the wget maintainer? | 06:37 |
| mdz | "I think it's silly" -mdz | 06:37 |
| mdz | like that? :-) | 06:37 |
| Kamion | approximately :) | 06:37 |
| mdz | it's especially discouraging that the proposed patch has bugs | 06:37 |
| mdz | sure, quote me if you think it'd help | 06:38 |
| lamont | Kamion: should I deliver all of the section 8 manpages in 8postfix, or just trace? | 06:38 |
| Kamion | probably best to be consistent; perhaps deliver all the ones that are just master.cf services in 8postfix | 06:40 |
| mdz | Kamion: did you determine that unfuzzying translations with s/Debian/Ubuntu/ was relatively non-evil? | 06:47 |
| mdz | Kamion: (#2085) | 06:47 |
| === Kinnison goes to try thom's new acpi-support package | ||
| mdz | justdave: please attach a dmesg from a successful boot to #1379 | 06:50 |
| thom | so my dad was installing ubuntu on a vaio with a usb cdrom drive last night | 06:53 |
| thom | he was going to call if he had any problems | 06:53 |
| thom | no phone call :-) | 06:53 |
| thom | uh, s/usb/pcmcia | 06:53 |
| pitti | thom: nice idea from you to disable your phone :-) | 06:53 |
| thom | heh | 06:54 |
| thom | pitti: having fun with firefox? | 06:55 |
| pitti | thom: I just tried to debug it | 06:55 |
| pitti | thom: it's a mess | 06:55 |
| thom | yes | 06:56 |
| thom | :( | 06:56 |
| pitti | my current quick "fix" is to use Mozilla. | 06:56 |
| pitti | I will return to that tomorrow, I'm too tired today to deal with such a monster | 06:56 |
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| === Kinnison hands thom 2 x $BEER tokens | ||
| thom | eeexcellent | 06:57 |
| mdz | pitti: regarding #2085, I noticed the description for 'base' and it should be changed semantically | 06:58 |
| mdz | pitti: section 'base' does not at really correspond to the base system at all | 06:58 |
| pitti | mdz: okay, I can change that, too | 06:58 |
| pitti | mdz: what would you propose? | 06:59 |
| pitti | mdz: BTW, I hope that it was okay for me to prepare patches, although the bug was assigned to you | 07:00 |
| Kinnison | daniels: Erm; gnome-volume-manager isn't responding to plugin events again :-( | 07:01 |
| pitti | mdz: my own list got major-free this morning :-) | 07:01 |
| mdz | pitti: I don't know what the text should be; section 'base' is not very meaningful | 07:01 |
| mdz | it's not very meaningful in Debian, either, but even less so in Ubuntu :-) | 07:01 |
| pitti | mdz: I also stumbled about this in my NM processes | 07:01 |
| pitti | mdz: its ,well, just "base packages" - packages which we do not have a special name for... | 07:02 |
| sivang | aren't they providing "basic system capabilities" ? | 07:02 |
| sivang | the essentials | 07:02 |
| pitti | all these are just synonyms | 07:03 |
| mdz | the essentials are Essential: yes packages | 07:03 |
| pitti | mdz: I know, but an user will not care for the difference | 07:03 |
| pitti | mdz: What about "Ubuntu system packages - Packages in the "base" section provide the basic functionality of an Ubuntu installation (hardware support, package management, etc.)" | 07:06 |
| fabbione | daniels: 1117, can you give the driver to Herbert please? | 07:06 |
| fabbione | mdz: i solved the problems with the ADSL line transfer. In the worst case I will have 2 to 5 hours of downtime | 07:06 |
| fabbione | mdz: 2 if the adsl line is ok, 5 if it is not (and my previous employer will host me in his offices) | 07:07 |
| mdz | fabbione: nice | 07:08 |
| mdz | pitti: the thing is, there are many packages in that category which are not in section 'base' | 07:09 |
| mdz | and things in section 'base' which do not fit that description | 07:09 |
| pitti | mdz: well, the whole categoryseems to be more or less arbitrary | 07:09 |
| mdz | pitti: correct, which is why it is hard to describe :-) | 07:09 |
| pitti | mdz: "Packages which we did not find a better section for " | 07:09 |
| elmo_ | base should be what debootstrap installs or it shouldn't exist | 07:11 |
| pitti | elmo_: certainly a nice explanation for a new user :-) | 07:11 |
| Kinnison | thom: want an amusing mozilla-firefox bug? </sarky> | 07:13 |
| thom | oh, i'm sure amusing is just the word *sigh* | 07:13 |
| pitti | mdz: what do you think about the patches in general? Shall we aim for new translations? Any thing I forgot about? | 07:14 |
| Kinnison | thom: I can reproducably stop firefox scrolling with the scrollwheel by viewing long bugs on bugzilla.ubuntu.com | 07:14 |
| thom | Kinnison: already filed | 07:14 |
| Kinnison | thom: Boo hiss; I thought I'd found a new one | 07:14 |
| Kinnison | thom: fix it | 07:14 |
| thom | <pre> areas and <code> areas seem to do it | 07:14 |
| Kamion | mdz: yes | 07:15 |
| Kamion | mdz: where it's obviously possible; sometimes it's hard | 07:15 |
| thom | Kinnison: #1962 | 07:16 |
| Kamion | ohbugger; archive-copier needs to copy mdetect, xresprobe, and laptop-detect | 07:16 |
| Kamion | forgot about those when I turned off copying of Ship | 07:16 |
| mdz | pitti: the patches look fine | 07:16 |
| pitti | mdz: so we need a "base section description contest" now? :-) | 07:17 |
| mdz | pitti: "miscellaneous packages which provide basic functionality" | 07:18 |
| Kamion | miscellaneous sounds wrong to me there | 07:18 |
| mdz | Kamion: any idea about that kbd-chooser hang on -users? | 07:18 |
| mdz | Subject: Re: Install choking after country selection | 07:18 |
| Kamion | it has connotations of "extra" | 07:18 |
| Kamion | mdz: haven't had time to look at it yet, will do | 07:18 |
| Kamion | it's probably hardware-specific to some extent which makes it annoying | 07:18 |
| Kamion | and damnit, I forgot to do anything about Nathaniel's openssh init script patch | 07:19 |
| fabbione | mdz: i will have to upload X again. daniels wacom backport is botched | 07:19 |
| mdz | fabbione: is that related to the wacom driver update enhancement bug? | 07:20 |
| fabbione | mdz: yes | 07:20 |
| fabbione | mdz: the driver that is inside X now is not meat or fish | 07:20 |
| thom | fabbione: "fish or fowl" | 07:21 |
| fabbione | thom: shuuus ;)= | 07:22 |
| pitti | Kamion: seems that all in all the Debian description is not the worst one :-) | 07:22 |
| mdz | pitti: let's leave it as-is for the sake of getting the other work done | 07:24 |
| pitti | mdz: okay, I agree. We can still upload another version with more translations and some tweaks | 07:25 |
| pitti | mdz: so any other things before approval? | 07:25 |
| mdz | pitti: no, looks good | 07:26 |
| pitti | mdz: okay, then away with it | 07:26 |
| elmo_ | python-gtk2-doc_2.4.10-2ubuntu1_source.changes | 07:32 |
| elmo_ | who uploaded that/ | 07:32 |
| elmo_ | s#/#?# | 07:32 |
| fabbione | probably seb? | 07:34 |
| thom | Kinnison: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=263198 | 07:35 |
| fabbione | he was the one asking for it in the first place | 07:35 |
| mdz | elmo_: yes | 07:35 |
| Kinnison | thom: cool | 07:35 |
| thom | add additional urls if you have 'em :-) | 07:36 |
| elmo_ | seb128: sorry, due to an obscure technical problem which I won't bore you with the details of, that file was removed - could you reupload just the .changes, please? | 07:36 |
| === Kinnison smirks | ||
| seb128 | elmo_: ok, no problem | 07:36 |
| seb128 | just the .changes ? | 07:36 |
| Kinnison | elmo_: saved. | 07:36 |
| elmo_ | seb128: yeah | 07:37 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:pitti] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion on #ubuntu | 16 RC bugs to go | ||
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:pitti] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion on #ubuntu | 15 RC bugs to go | ||
| seb128 | elmo_: done (I've also uploaded a libgnomeprint changes by mistake, just ignore it) | 07:40 |
| thom | an obscure 'rm -f' by "ftpmaster" problem? :p | 07:41 |
| seb128 | time to dinner, later | 07:41 |
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| Kinnison | thom: ssssh. you'll give his s3kr1t away | 07:42 |
| === lamont looks around for a postfix reviewer. | ||
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| sivang | lamont : I would, as soon as my warty's XFS is fixed..;-) | 07:53 |
| Kinnison | sivang: what's up now? | 07:53 |
| Kinnison | sivang: or is it in general? | 07:53 |
| thom | pitti: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=255372 is the upstream for the firefox bug | 07:54 |
| sivang | Kinnison : ah, some funky output from xfs_check, and xfs_repair | 07:54 |
| lamont | sivang: most of the change is adding README.Debian files.. | 07:54 |
| Kinnison | sivang: aah yes; I had that on Friday | 07:54 |
| Kinnison | sivang: been running Debian's 2.6.7 kernel since then with no problem | 07:54 |
| lamont | patch is at people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/postfix.diff | 07:54 |
| === Kinnison isn't completely convinced 2.6.8* is safe with XFS | ||
| sivang | Kinnison : this on the bugzilla I hope? | 07:54 |
| Kinnison | sivang: Not sure | 07:55 |
| thom | we really need an UPSTREAM status badly | 07:55 |
| sivang | lamont : this a debdiff? | 07:55 |
| lamont | it's a diff -ur between the old tree and new one. | 07:55 |
| lamont | what's a debdiff? :-) | 07:55 |
| pitti | thom: okay, thanks. Let's just pass the buck to upstream, then :-) | 07:55 |
| lamont | er, -urN actually | 07:56 |
| pitti | thom: however, if it crashes on all pages with javascript popups, this can even be regarded as RC then... | 07:56 |
| sivang | lamont : sorry, misunderstanding. I think it | 07:57 |
| thom | pitti: agreed | 07:57 |
| sivang | lamont : is something comparing too pkgs if I am not mistaken | 07:57 |
| thom | mdz: 1676 as major? | 07:57 |
| lamont | sivang: yeah, I read the manpage.. | 07:59 |
| sivang | lamont : do you happen to know it's package name on debian sid? | 07:59 |
| lamont | it's in devscripts | 08:00 |
| lamont | /etc/init.d/xfree86-common: line 11: /lib/lsb/init-functions: No such file or directory | 08:10 |
| lamont | fabbione: daniels: what's up with that??? | 08:11 |
| pitti | thom: what makes the warty firefox different from upstream's, if it works with upstream? | 08:12 |
| pitti | thom: does upstream already have a newer build? | 08:12 |
| lamont | pitti: besides build-depends? | 08:12 |
| pitti | lamont: you mean the firefox crash is actually a problem in a library? | 08:12 |
| lamont | pitti: nfc | 08:12 |
| pitti | lamont.explain( "nfc" ) | 08:13 |
| lamont | "No F***ing Clue" | 08:13 |
| pitti | lamont: ah, thanks :-) | 08:13 |
| lamont | but build-deps is certainly a difference between the two, I expect. | 08:13 |
| thom | pitti: don't know, i don't understand why upstreams works | 08:13 |
| thom | pitti: same build | 08:13 |
| pitti | lamont: the stack trace does not suggest that it is in an external lib | 08:14 |
| === lamont shrugs | ||
| lamont | which architecture? | 08:14 |
| pitti | thom: different compilers? | 08:14 |
| pitti | thom: maybe the bug is triggered only on a particular way of compilation | 08:14 |
| pitti | lamont: ppc and i386 | 08:14 |
| pitti | lamont: the 32 bit ones, amd64 works well | 08:15 |
| lamont | pitti: that's just sick and wrong. | 08:15 |
| pitti | usually segfaults potentially occur on all architectures, but sometimes the compiler may hide it | 08:15 |
| pitti | the bug in gstreamer I tackled with recently was such a case | 08:15 |
| pitti | so I don't really believe that the bug is fixed upstream | 08:16 |
| thom | pitti: they compile with gcc-3.2, amd64 is on 3.4 and doesn't have the bug (but x86 with 3.4 still does) | 08:16 |
| pitti | well, we could try compiling with 3.2 and see if it works :-) | 08:17 |
| thom | we could, indeed | 08:17 |
| pitti | 7 days before the RC release we have to find faster methods of bug fixing | 08:17 |
| === pitti ducks | ||
| thom | ... go back to using epiphany by default? :-) | 08:18 |
| pitti | thom: mozilla plain works greeeeeat! | 08:18 |
| pitti | epiphany is just mozilla with another UI, isn't it? | 08:18 |
| thom | a gnome ui, yeah | 08:18 |
| pitti | at least epiphany draws in all the mozilla stuff in the dependencies | 08:18 |
| pitti | thom: would it help to revert to an earlier build? | 08:19 |
| pitti | thom: the upstream bug said something about reintroducing it in version whatever | 08:19 |
| thom | pitti: you'd be looking at backporting a stack of security fixes if we go back to 0.9.3 (which was the last version that didn't suck) | 08:19 |
| pitti | hmm, as long as they are properly documented and the CVS is available... | 08:20 |
| thom | (but firefox 1.0 is a feature goal AIUI) | 08:21 |
| thom | *shrug*, i think we need to speak to mdz and jdub and find out what the goals are here, and what we can do | 08:21 |
| pitti | thom: well, as long as the boys fix 1.0, then I'm all for it :-) | 08:23 |
| pitti | thom: or maybe we can convince lamont to have firefox built with gcc 3.2 :-) | 08:23 |
| lamont | gcc-3.2 is ftbfs on ppc | 08:25 |
| lamont | and amd64. | 08:25 |
| thom | weee | 08:26 |
| mdz | thom: hmm? | 08:26 |
| mdz | thom: re: 1676, I've never seen it | 08:26 |
| pitti | mdz: aren't you on amd64 as well? | 08:27 |
| mdz | pitti: not primarily, but sometimes | 08:28 |
| mdz | right now I'm laptop-only | 08:28 |
| pitti | mdz: I asked because the firefox crash does not appear on amd64 | 08:29 |
| pitti | mdz: it is pretty annoying | 08:29 |
| pitti | mdz: I cannot do online banking and some webmail stuff with firefox, have to take mozilla proper for that | 08:29 |
| mdz | my online banking stuff works with firefox in ubuntu | 08:30 |
| pitti | mdz: and according to the mailing list, many other people suffer from this as well | 08:30 |
| mdz | what's the story upstream? | 08:30 |
| pitti | mdz: same thing. Firefox crashes on every page that opens a window with javascript | 08:30 |
| thom | mdz: basically, anything that does window.Open() in javascript crashes firefox | 08:31 |
| mdz | anyway I can test it without killing my existing firefox and all its tabs? | 08:32 |
| thom | mdz: create a test user, go to Applications/System Tools/New Login, log in as that user... | 08:32 |
| mdz | aha, -P | 08:33 |
| mdz | thom: just tried it in the javascript console, and it works perfectly, doesn't crash | 08:34 |
| === lamont logs into his bank, fails to crash firefox | ||
| mdz | is there any website I can test with that doesn't require a login? | 08:34 |
| pitti | mdz: https://financepilot-banking.mlp.de/ works nice for me | 08:34 |
| pitti | mdz: or, rather, crashes | 08:34 |
| pitti | mdz: this is my web banking, BTW | 08:35 |
| thom | mdz: www.cpsact.com.au and click on CPS Web-Link | 08:35 |
| mdz | pitti: when I load that page, it gives me an error in German and firefox tells me that it blocked a popup | 08:35 |
| pitti | mdz: you have to accept the popup | 08:35 |
| mdz | thom: no crash | 08:36 |
| thom | mdz: did you get a popup window? | 08:36 |
| mdz | it does open the popup, but it works fine | 08:36 |
| lamont | ditto | 08:36 |
| mdz | thom: yes | 08:36 |
| thom | huh. | 08:36 |
| mdz | this is with a fresh default profile, too | 08:36 |
| thom | it crashes 100% with current firefox for me | 08:36 |
| pitti | mdz: I also tried with a fresh profile | 08:36 |
| thom | fresh, stale, or downright smelly profiles | 08:36 |
| pitti | mdz: well, the fact that it works on amd64 and fails on i386 shows that it is a somewhat tricky one... | 08:37 |
| lamont | about: says firefox 0.10.1 | 08:37 |
| pitti | mdz: sometimes it even worked for me the very first time, but it crashes the second time | 08:37 |
| pitti | mdz: but now I cannot get it to load a single time any more | 08:38 |
| lamont | still works here | 08:38 |
| pitti | damn, why demos always tend to fail? | 08:40 |
| pitti | thom, this _is_ an ugly bug. It hides itself | 08:40 |
| thom | interestingly, i can't get cpsact to crash on my laptop, but gmail kills it every time | 08:41 |
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| lamont | pitti: just lucky, I guess | 08:41 |
| thom | mdz: i can send you a gmail invite :-) | 08:41 |
| lamont | thom: if you sent me one, could I give it to someone else? | 08:41 |
| thom | pitti: and yes, it is a nasty one for sure | 08:41 |
| thom | lamont: yeah, absolutely | 08:41 |
| === lamont has a use for one or two then | ||
| lamont | (it'll let me boot my fire chief off the itanic in the other room..) | 08:42 |
| pitti | thom: Will you beat me up if I tell you that the CPS thingy works for me? | 08:42 |
| pitti | thom: can we please swap our online banks? | 08:42 |
| thom | lamont: just sent you two invites | 08:43 |
| pitti | nice, now my online bank works as well | 08:43 |
| pitti | I KNOW: it depends on the current time, obviously | 08:43 |
| lamont | pitti: glad that mdz and I could help. :-( | 08:44 |
| thom | pitti: you're cursed with heisenbugs recently :-) | 08:44 |
| pitti | lamont: it was the aura of the people who would decide to hurt this bug | 08:44 |
| lamont | "there are very few things about computers that cannot be explained if you are willing to grant them fear and malice." | 08:44 |
| pitti | thom: can we quickly rewrite firefox in python? | 08:45 |
| lamont | doesn't have to be quick.. Take until Fridy | 08:46 |
| === lamont received some interesting insight into someone's mindset when their summary of bittorrent was "I looked at that a while back, but it was just a bunch of python scripts" | ||
| pitti | lamont: with this timeframe we can even add a doom and a tetris plugin :-) | 08:47 |
| lamont | there's a tetris plugin for firefox?? | 08:48 |
| thom | pitti: as long as we can call it pyrefox | 08:49 |
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| === T-Bone waves | ||
| pitti | lamont: not yet :-) | 08:49 |
| pitti | Hi T-Bone | 08:49 |
| lamont | hi T-Bone | 08:50 |
| T-Bone | hey dudes :) | 08:50 |
| lamont | T-Bone: where was your gcc-3.4 source again? | 08:51 |
| mdz | thom: regarding the powernowd module loading stuff, can we do anything smart about i386 systems which require a speedstep-* module? | 08:51 |
| T-Bone | lamont: envy.esiee.fr/~varenet/newgcc iirc | 08:51 |
| lamont | ok | 08:51 |
| thom | mdz: sladen, mjg59 and i were playing with a script to guess, but it's pretty fragile | 08:52 |
| thom | probably hoary material | 08:52 |
| T-Bone | lamont: mind that it built fine on ia64 | 08:53 |
| mdz | Kamion: which kernel made it onto the 1006 daily CD? | 08:54 |
| mdz | thom: agreed | 08:54 |
| seb128 | jdub: ping ? | 08:54 |
| === T-Bone is now known as T-Dinner | ||
| mdz | Kamion: never mind, .list tells me | 08:55 |
| seb128 | mdz: gstreamer/totem release today which improve totem-gstreamer a lot ... FC3 is going to include (they are in hard freeze too). Perhaps we want to do so ? | 08:55 |
| seb128 | since totem-gstreamer is the default player and works pretty bad, I think we should consider the update | 08:56 |
| mdz | seb128: yes, I think so, but let's test it a bit before uploading | 08:58 |
| mdz | a few different people | 08:58 |
| seb128 | ok, I'll prepare the packages and put them somewhere | 08:59 |
| mdz | anyone have a printer to test #2114? | 09:01 |
| mdz | it stinks of NOTWARTY, but I have no printer at the moment | 09:01 |
| lamont | mdz: been printing things for a while, not sure where gs-esp fits into the sequence, though... | 09:11 |
| lamont | mdz: btw, when you get bored, 2022 has an attached patch now. | 09:11 |
| mdz | lamont: print a postscript file (e.g., from mozilla) | 09:11 |
| === lamont will try | ||
| mdz | lamont: don't you need to clean up that diversion it used to create? | 09:12 |
| mdz | (ewww on that, by the way) | 09:13 |
| lamont | mdz: well, um, probably. | 09:13 |
| lamont | I could just unconditionally remove it in postinst, with errors redirected... or is that uglier? | 09:13 |
| lamont | mdz: wrt those ppds... which package are you thinking should change? gimp-print? or cupsys? | 09:16 |
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| mdz | lamont: foomatic-filters-ppds | 09:30 |
| mdz | the one with all the ppd files in it | 09:30 |
| carlos | seb128: seems like latest gstreamer release improves video playback, will it enter into warty? | 09:30 |
| mdz | carlos: scroll up a bit; we already discussed it :-) | 09:31 |
| seb128 | carlos: read what I said 20 lines up | 09:31 |
| carlos | :-P | 09:31 |
| carlos | sorry | 09:31 |
| seb128 | np :) | 09:31 |
| seb128 | one more voluntary to test the new packages I guess ? :) | 09:32 |
| carlos | seb128: send me the URL of the packages and I will test them | 09:32 |
| carlos | yes | 09:32 |
| lamont | mdz: updated the bug | 09:32 |
| pitti | mdz: I will try it; i already produced some postscript printouts which look good | 09:32 |
| carlos | mdz, jdub: I forgot to ask about gstreamer-ffmpeg plugin inclusion into universe, is that possible?, I suppose that it cannot be in main because patent problems, right? | 09:32 |
| seb128 | carlos: ok, they are not ready yet but I'll | 09:33 |
| pitti | seb128: if I ever find a video which totem-gstreamer is actually able to play, I would test this as well | 09:33 |
| seb128 | pitti: ok :) | 09:33 |
| seb128 | -ffmpeg would help a lot .. | 09:33 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, ffmpeg plugin sounds like MPEG4 and stuff? | 09:33 |
| seb128 | yes | 09:33 |
| pitti | seb128: so xvid, divx? | 09:33 |
| pitti | great | 09:33 |
| seb128 | yes | 09:33 |
| carlos | pitti: but it's not in warty or Debian | 09:35 |
| mdz | pitti: thanks, please NOTWARTY it if appropriate | 09:35 |
| carlos | only external sources | 09:35 |
| pitti | mdz: I can only try some BTS pages, the bug does not give other examples | 09:35 |
| mdz | pitti, thom: a friend of mine just pointed out that the firefox crash only seems to happen with multiple tabs open | 09:36 |
| mdz | pitti, thom: I had been testing with a single tab, but when I opened more than one, I got it to crash on the first try | 09:37 |
| pitti | mdz: that could be it, I will try | 09:37 |
| pitti | mdz: that would be a more sane explanation than the square root of daytime etc. | 09:37 |
| thom | i can get it with a single tab, tho | 09:37 |
| pitti | thom, mdz: single tab crashes for me, too | 09:40 |
| pitti | thom, mdz: maybe "if you ever had a second tab.." and so on? | 09:40 |
| === lamont was testing in tab #3 or 4 of one of 2 windows | ||
| pitti | mdz: printing BTS pages works perfectly on my Samsung ML-1410 laser | 09:41 |
| pitti | mdz: but before closing the bug, maybe some more people should test? | 09:41 |
| mdz | pitti: if gs-esp works with the default setup, fonts, etc. it is at least not RC | 09:42 |
| pitti | mdz: could be a specific driver problem then | 09:42 |
| pitti | mdz: I downgrade, comment and leave it open for now, then (plus NEEDINFO or so) | 09:43 |
| mdz | pitti: I suppose it's possible | 09:43 |
| lamont | mdz: fwiw, gimp-print Suggests: cupsys-driver-gimpprint, which Depends: cupsys-driver-gimpprint-data, which appears to provide the driver for the S200. | 09:43 |
| lamont | OTOH, those last two binaries are in universe. | 09:44 |
| mdz | I don't know much about gimpprint | 09:44 |
| mdz | but cupsys uses the ppds in foomatic-filters-ppd directly | 09:44 |
| mdz | if it can use the gimpprint ones, too (and they don't conflict), we could look at that | 09:45 |
| lamont | or rather, foomatic-filters-ppd (and cupsys, and cupsys-driver-gimpprint-data, and ...) all deliver files into /usr/share/cups/model, where cups can find them... | 09:45 |
| mdz | but I think it's best to have all of the ppds in one place | 09:45 |
| lamont | cupsys, hp-ppd, foomatic-filters-ppds, gs-esp, cups-pdf, cupsys-driver-gimpprint-data all deliver there. | 09:46 |
| lamont | (== too late for that.) | 09:46 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:pitti] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion on #ubuntu | 14 RC bugs to go | ||
| mdz | hmm, I can't get firefox to crash again | 09:47 |
| mdz | even with multiple tabs | 09:47 |
| pitti | mdz: as we guessed: a heisenbug | 09:47 |
| mdz | pitti: the procedure my friend just posted to the bug works for me | 09:49 |
| pitti | mdz: luckily it still crashes in a debugging version (which is a 100 MB deb :-) ) | 09:49 |
| pitti | mdz: it's annoying, but I'm not sure whether to raise it to RC | 09:49 |
| mdz | pitti: try the procedure in the most recent comment | 09:50 |
| pitti | mdz: phone, will try later | 09:51 |
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| === T-Gone bbi2h | ||
| lamont | mdz: cupsys-driver-gimpprint comes from gimp-print source, which makes me believe that they added all of the support when they added the part that the submitter says is there... | 09:52 |
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| lamont | mdz: and reading the internal documentation in gimp-print makes me believe that even more. | 09:54 |
| mdz | lamont: so you're saying that we need gimp-print in the default install just to have a complete set of drivers? | 09:54 |
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| lamont | well, I think we need to move cupsys-driver-gimpprint to at least supported.seed | 09:55 |
| lamont | and if we're installing cupsys and gimp-print in desktop, then we should also install that suggested package... | 09:56 |
| lamont | s/suggested/(suggested) | 09:56 |
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| lamont | moving it would just leave escputil in universe (epson stylus printer clean/alignment util) | 09:57 |
| lamont | 2.7MB of .debs | 09:58 |
| mdz | we're installing cupsys | 10:05 |
| seb128_ | mdz: ok to sync gdk-pixbuf from debian ? | 10:05 |
| mdz | I don't think we're installing gimp-print | 10:05 |
| mdz | seb128_: I think so; double-check the changelog | 10:06 |
| seb128_ | mdz: I've double checked, the only change between warty and debian (out of the security patch which is different) is "Link gnomecanvaspixbuf.so.1.0.0 against gdk_pixbuf.la" | 10:06 |
| seb128_ | ok, I'm fixing gdk-pixbuf now :) | 10:07 |
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| npmccallum | mdz: what was the result of your testing madwifi? | 10:52 |
| npmccallum | mdz: its still not working at all with the latest kernels for me | 10:53 |
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| === lamont goes to see what his wife wanted. | ||
| npmccallum | pitti: ping | 10:56 |
| pitti | npmccallum: pong | 10:56 |
| npmccallum | pitti: did you get my email? | 10:57 |
| pitti | npmccallum: no personal one | 10:58 |
| pitti | npmccallum: somewhere on the list? | 10:58 |
| pitti | npmccallum: anyway, I'm going to sleep now. If you sent a mail to @debian.org, please use the direct way with martin@piware.de. @debian.org email sometimes lags for as much as 4 weeks (see lengthy thread on d-devel) | 11:05 |
| pitti | good night everybody! | 11:06 |
| nasdaq4088 | bye pitti | 11:11 |
| === lamont really runs off - back in a few hours. | ||
| mdz | npmccallum: it works fine for me | 11:26 |
| mdz | npmccallum: WEP and all | 11:26 |
| thom | mdz: so what do you think about sudo's prompts. leave till hoary? | 11:36 |
| npmccallum | mdz: It was working perfect for me as well, however, since a recent kernel upgrade I can't get dhcp at all | 11:36 |
| mdz | npmccallum: works for me with what I believe is 2.6.8.1-11 | 11:37 |
| mdz | I've upgraded since the last time I rebooted, so it's using the new module at least | 11:37 |
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| Kamion | fabbione: fontconfig's dependencies look a bit barmy | 11:47 |
| Kamion | Package: fontconfig | 11:47 |
| Kamion | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.2.1), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, defoma (>= 0.7.0), ucf (>= 0.29), ttf-bitstream-vera | ttf-freefont | gsfonts-x11 | msttcorefonts | laptop-detect | 11:47 |
| Kamion | what's that | doing before laptop-detect? | 11:47 |
| sivang | ah! at last I fixed that dpkg problems. | 11:56 |
| sivang | hope my system doesn't break again.. | 11:56 |
| === npmccallum [~npmccallu@69-162-252-7.ironoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel | ||
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