willoikl: i try and write them down!12:00
crimsunoik1: bootlogd should take care of that, not sure if a bug has been filed12:01
Markus_this is a bug? ;o) that would be too bad, I you really wanna get stable this month ;o) i report it, ok!12:01
Kamionobviously it's a bug when some piece of hardware doesn't work :)12:01
carmenso...upgraded from 'another' distro where i was using XFCE. which pkg can i dpkg-reconfigure (already tried gnome-session) to setup a proper .xsession... echo gnome-session > .xsession just got me a progress bar...12:02
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Markus_but THIS BUG would be a shame for a debian based dist ;o)12:04
crimsunoik1: does the system actually boot?12:04
willoikl: my errors are in /var/log/kern.log have a look12:04
oik1crimsun: looking at the bootlogd startup script, it seems the boot messages should end up in /var/log/boot. Is it a bug that /var/log/boot doesn't exist?12:04
oik1crimsun: Oh yes the system boots. I'm using it now :-)12:04
crimsunoik1: given the circumstances, no, because bootlogd is not being run12:05
siretartMarkus_: serial mice are impossible to autodetect and quite uncommon with modern hardware. my notebook doesnt even have a serial port!12:05
oik1siretart: windows detects my serial mouse12:05
Markus_yes! ;o) *lol*12:06
crimsunoik1: then it's not critical :) If those messages in the logs bother you, you could try booting w/ "nolapic" or "noapic"12:06
Kamionwe don't use mdetect because we thought that all mice would work with /dev/input/mice nowadays12:06
carmenoh well, massive --purge of gnome* and reinstall did it, would have hojped for a less bandwidth intensive solution. anyways nice work guys. its amazing how out of date 'sid' was..12:06
Kamionif this isn't the case, we need to know about it12:06
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oik1crimsun: I kind of figured it wasn't that critical... so I shouldn't file a bug report?12:07
crimsunoik1: i don't deem it necessary at this stage12:07
Kamionsiretart: I believe mdetect can detect serial mice, although you might have to move the mouse while it does so, not sure.12:07
oik1but the bootlog thing - that's pretty bad12:08
siretartKamion: ah. good to hear.12:08
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willi have no bootlog /var/log/boot12:08
crimsuncorrect, because bootlogd is not being run12:09
Kamionand it could be that we just need to make sure sermouse is loaded when X is configured.12:09
crimsunso it's not a bug that /var/log/boot doesn't exist ;)12:09
Markus_OK THANKS ;o)12:09
Markus_mdetect was the thing I needed! ;o)12:10
willgood! so how do you run bootlogd12:10
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Kamionwill: see /etc/default/bootlogd12:10
willKamion: thanks12:10
Markus_Protocol "Microsoft" Device "/dev/ttyS0" ;o)12:10
Markus_thanks to all12:11
Kamionyou're welcome12:11
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oik1does bootlogd log the shutdown messages as well? I get a bad-looking error on shutdown12:12
tortoise__does anyone know why the bootloader and runlevel editors arnt included in the ubunto gnome-system-tools package??12:13
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t35t0rojo oagadogou olumfombre12:15
phosphorgreenstill having probs with nvidia 3d drivers. Any1 ideas for ubuntu on amd64?12:15
phosphorgreenare they b0rked?12:15
t35t0rphosphorgreen, no12:15
t35t0rjoin in #ubuntu-amd6412:15
phosphorgreengood ;)12:15
manouI'm having a little sound problem on ubuntu for quake3, the usual /dev/dsp gives no sound, any idea for which device in /dev I should use ?12:15
manoubut sound is working nice with all other software12:16
t35t0rls -l /dev/sound 12:16
jh|workdoes it have proper permissions?12:16
manout35t0r, there is no /dev/sound12:17
t35t0rok good12:17
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crimsunmanou: lsmod|grep snd-pcm-oss12:18
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crimsunmanou: actually, grep oss12:18
crimsun(it slipped my mind that lsmod uses underscores instead of hyphens for the new module-init-tools)12:19
SamBozoanyone installed java successfully ? I get a missing library error 12:19
rileyIf i have two linux systems that are both on the same netgroup with the same workgroup and can both see themselves with smbclient -L <server name>, what could be keeping them from seeing each other?12:19
manoucrimsun, it gives nothing12:19
crimsunmanou: which grep command?12:20
crimsunerr, which grep parameter?12:20
manoucrimsun, lsmod|grep snd-pcm-oss12:20
SamBozoriley if they are both linux nfs will work12:20
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crimsunmanou: try replacing the hyphens with underscores12:20
crimsunmanou: or just grep for 'oss'12:20
rileySamBozo: nfs?  sorry, i'm a bit of a newb to linux12:20
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manousnd_pcm_oss            48168  012:21
manousnd_mixer_oss          16640  3 snd_pcm_oss12:21
manousnd_pcm                85540  3 snd_usb_audio,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss12:21
manousnd                    50148  12 snd_usb_audio,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device12:21
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manoucrimsun, in dev I found /dev/sndstat -> /proc/asound/oss/sndstat12:23
crimsunmanou: ok. Does quake3 refuse to finish loading, or does it load but no sound plays?12:24
phosphorgreendoes anyone know what the name of the package for kernel-source is called in synaptic for the kernel?12:24
Kamionphosphorgreen: linux-source-
phosphorgreenhmm don't think i can see that in synaptic12:24
phosphorgreencan see linux-source-2.6 but not
Kamionphosphorgreen: it's not on the CD12:25
manoucrimsun, it loads but no sound12:25
phosphorgreeni enabled universe12:25
Kamionbut I doubt linux-source-2.6 is either12:25
Kamionit's not in universe12:25
phosphorgreenwhere do i get it from then?12:25
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KamionCD < main12:25
t35t0rhow is the source not provided on the CD??12:25
Kamiont35t0r: because we have distinctly finite space there12:26
Kamiont35t0r: the kernel headers are provided on the CD12:26
t35t0rand do you know that's a violation of GPL12:26
Kamiont35t0r: it is not a GPL violation.12:26
crimsunthat is SO not a violation of the GPL12:26
crimsunplease stop the FUD, thanks.12:26
t35t0rok just checking12:26
KamionWe don't provide any other source on the CD either.12:26
Kosait35t0r: I think you should check you know what you're talking about before telling developers how the GPL works.  :)12:26
KamionI imagine we're using clause 3(b).12:27
calcfabbione: the build that you told me to do works fine12:27
calcfabbione: so it seems -O2 isn't the issue then?12:27
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calci guess 50min to compile xfree86 on a laptop isn't too bad12:28
WW_Have there been any problem reported today with the latest update of Evolution?12:28
crimsunchris and his snooty amd64 laptop *sniff*  :P12:29
_brandx_WW_ its been working good so far for me today..12:29
phosphorgreenbtw peeps: i went into aptitude today and pressed g and now it's gone off and is on a 5hr install of a bazillion packages, is this right?12:29
phosphorgreeni didn't ask it to install anything12:30
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WW_I experimented with a few settings in Evolution Mail, but I thought I put them all back when I quit.  When I started Evolution Mail again, it didn't appear, and my CPU utilization maxed out. 12:32
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=== calc bbl
WW_More weird stuff happened when I tried logging out and back in--my usual background was gone, and my panels were gone.12:33
t35t0rKosai, so if phosphorgreen paid for the binary cd he can get the source cd for about the same price?12:33
manoucrimsun, no idea ?12:33
crimsunmanou: does quake3 spit out mmap errors during sound init?12:33
aitrusanyone have any idea why keyboard shortcuts i've defined (using the "Keyboard Shortcuts" app) don't work (even after logging out and back in)?12:34
WW_I had to reboot to get back to normal.  I haven't tried Evolution again yet.12:34
crimsunmanou: sorry, i'm active in a number of channels, so i'm doing the 'round-robin'...12:34
WW_Here goes...12:34
manoucrimsun, wait I check12:34
manoucrimsun, np :)12:34
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Kamiont35t0r: the source doesn't fit on a single CD, but I should think so, yes; we'll need to tidy up the source CD images a little before release.12:35
Kamiont35t0r: but note that we'll never be charging for Ubuntu, anyway.12:35
WW_Well, it appears to be working again.  I wouldn't know how to begin to file a bug about this... "Uh, some weird sh*t happened..."12:36
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t35t0rWW: start by noting the error messages ?12:37
sato___hi, anyone can help me? i'm getting mad installing Nvidia Drivers...12:37
t35t0rsato___, ubuntu probably didn't automatically install the kernel headers in the appropriate places12:37
WW_t35t0r: I didn't see any error messages.12:37
t35t0rsato___, but i hear they're on the cd12:38
sato___and how i can install it?12:38
t35t0rheh i don't know12:38
sato___xD 12:38
t35t0rfind them first12:38
AndersAAapt-cache search headers, I think it's in the faq what the package is called12:39
t35t0rfind /mnt/cdrom -name "*header*"12:39
Kamionsato___: install the 'linux-headers-' package12:39
Kamionsato___: or linux-headers- if you're installing off the preview release CD12:39
sato___ok, ...12:40
WW_Sorry if I missed something, but why do you need the headers to install Nvidia drivers?  (That's what sato___ asked about, isn't it?)12:41
bestadvocatesato____ add the word "nvidia" to etc/somethingmodules12:41
t35t0rnvidia blank against the kernel headers ...developers can probably insert the blank i'm not too sure what it's doing12:41
KamionWW_: if you're compiling third-party drivers, you usually need kernel headers. I don't know if the NVIDIA driver installation process involves compiling things.12:41
t35t0rKamion, they are binaries so i never understood what exactly it was doing12:42
bestadvocatetheres an article about it, i was linked to it from distrowatch.com12:42
Kamionif they're binaries I would be amazed if it needed the kernel headers12:42
WW_Ubuntu already has the drivers in nvidia-glx (except for AMD64).12:42
manoucrimsun, I got this error : sound initialization -------12:43
manou/dev/dsp: Broken pipe12:43
manouCould not toggle.12:43
t35t0ri wonder if it would be possible to trap calls from the nvidia drivers to hardware and reverse engineer them that way12:43
bestadvocatehttp://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8407&page=4  is the article12:43
t35t0rthat doesn't talk about what its doing with headers12:44
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crimsunmanou: whoa.12:44
WW_sato___: Have you already seen this: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto12:45
sato___i'm lost 12:45
mationmanou: when you do a lsmod, does it show snd_pcm_oss?12:45
sato___/etc/somethingmodules exists?12:46
manoucrimsun, I'm wondering how to know what dev other apps like totem are using cause all are working nice12:46
bestadvocatei cant wait till Xorg is in the distro!12:46
crimsunbestadvocate: heh, the difference is mostly psychological12:46
manoucrimsun, yes : snd_pcm_oss            48168  012:47
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WW_sato___: The file is /etc/modules.  See the instructions in the wiki.12:49
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manoucrimsun, oops thought that was you who talked me :)12:51
bestadvocatebut thats ok with me, im a psycho12:51
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Ex-CyberRFC: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats12:52
bestadvocatethis distro and vidalinux have me hopping around with excitement12:52
matt__Ex-Cyber: highly needed12:53
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imkai love rhythmbox12:55
KamionEx-Cyber: might be worth adding that the MP3 patent is being actively enforced12:57
theantixI also love rhythmbox :-)12:57
richnrockvillemd? rhythmbox?12:58
bagpuss_Kamion: the NVIDIA driver installation requires the kernel headers, yes12:59
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Kamionbagpuss_: I assume, then, that it isn't just binaries?01:00
calcKamion: the mp3 decode patent is being actively enforced?01:00
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Kamioncalc: against people who actually have money, we understand so, yes01:01
Kamioncalc: AFAIK it isn't being enforced against non-commercial free software01:01
bagpuss_Kamion: it's a binary library with an interface that gets compiled against the running kernel I think.  I don't know the details though since it's proprietary01:01
calcmay need to add that all java is now patent encumbered, since kodak won its lawsuit01:01
theantixrichnrockvillemd, the default music jukebox application in Ubuntu01:01
Kamionbagpuss_: that sounds slightly more believable01:02
t35t0rkodak won the lawsuit because it was held in rochester01:02
t35t0rrochest is kodak headquarters everyone on the jury works for kodak or knows someone who does01:02
t35t0rnot to mention that patent was a POS01:02
calcalso what about freetype is its patented stuff disabled now?01:03
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t35t0rthe town was in an uproar when the walmart started selling fujifilm01:03
t35t0ri hope kodak dies01:03
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t35t0rand rochester along with it01:03
Ex-Cybercalc: d'oh! somehow I completely forgot about that :/01:04
WareXDoes anyone know if I need a package to get bass and treble in my sound card? I raised the bass and treble through alsamixer but no luck. Any help?01:04
calcand aiui valgrind uses many things that are patented (if its included as well...)01:05
manouok crimsun, I got to leave, thanks for your help01:05
calcpretty much anything you can find is patented01:05
manoubye bye ubuntu lovers :)01:05
calcso just exclude what you think likely will be sued over01:05
t35t0rsoftware patenting is horrendous01:05
azeem"How do you tell if a piece of software violates a patent? Run wc -l on01:05
azeemthe source; if the number is greater than 1000, it probably does."01:05
azeem                -- Nat Friedman01:05
HrdwrBoBWareX: might not be supported properly in the driver01:05
Kamioncalc: that's exactly what we're doing01:06
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Ex-Cyberazeem: heh01:06
calcKamion: ok :)01:06
Kamioncalc: we talked about MP3 in some depth at the last conference01:06
Ex-Cyberit would be funny if it wasn't true01:06
richnrockvillemdTheantix, thanks..01:06
tbermanwhat package is gtk-demo in?01:06
t35t0rwho needs mp3 anyways when you have ogg now?01:06
WareXoh boy thanks hrdwrbob01:06
|trey|t35t0r: pretty much everyone  :/01:07
calct35t0r: nearly anyone using a portable player01:07
Ex-Cybersadly Ogg support is lacking in portables01:07
calcoutside of that its not a big deal01:07
t35t0rcalc: many portables have ogg01:07
Ex-CyberOgg/Vorbis support01:07
calct35t0r: one brand from what i recall01:07
calcwell two01:07
t35t0rit is lacking but it is catching no01:07
t35t0rerr on01:07
calcrio highend stuff and that other brand (i forgot)01:07
Ex-Cyberplus MP3-capable CD players01:07
|trey|t35t0r: I listen to shoutcast playlists due to reinstalling too often... show me one that doesn't suck, and uses OGG.01:07
HrdwrBoBI have evo an 1.4 config I want timport01:07
HrdwrBoB*to import01:07
HrdwrBoBbut.. it doesn't see it01:07
Ex-Cybermany are supporting WMA now, but that's moving in the wrong direction01:08
t35t0r|trey|, that's because all the pirated jonx is in mp301:08
t35t0rbut the point is we don't need mp3 anymore01:08
t35t0rnot that it exists01:08
|trey|t35t0r: thats besides the point... OGG is not useful yet, and it would surprise me if it is any time soon...01:08
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t35t0rit's not useful? hhahaha01:08
calctoo bad ogg wasn't around at that time ;)01:08
t35t0rsimply because IE doesn't support PNG doesn't mean its not useful01:09
|trey|t35t0r: umm... I have never heard a song I like in OGG format... that to me = unuseful.01:09
HrdwrBoByeah ogg is totally useless.. you know, despite the fact that in terms of use it's almost exactly the same as mp301:09
Tomcat_It's not...01:09
t35t0r|trey|, what if i put a song you like in ogg format01:09
Tomcat_Ogg is 2nd generation... it can do the same as MP3 in half the size.01:09
smeggylol |trey| thats a stupid excuse.01:09
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t35t0r|trey|, that's the dumbest thing i've heard01:09
HrdwrBoBTomcat_: that's a massive overstatement01:10
|trey|t35t0r: then I still have over a million more songs that aren't.01:10
smeggyOgg is simply another format.  Its like Vinyl and CD's..01:10
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bestadvocatewow my school is giving me internet slower than 3 kps01:10
smeggyTho not quality wise.01:10
Lotmrhey hrdwr!01:10
Lotmryou are here01:10
|trey|smeggy: not at all, if I have no music to listen to in OGG format, and no one uses it... its not useful.01:10
calcuse m4a its not open and not mp3 either :)01:10
Tomcat_HrdwrBoB: I'm not an audio guru, but 64 kbit Oggs sound great, while 64 kbit MP3s sound like hell.01:10
joemlots of people use ogg format01:10
HrdwrBoBLotmr: unfortunately I'm really busy atm :(01:10
t35t0r|trey|, is a broken car useful to you?01:10
|trey|t35t0r: no01:10
HrdwrBoBTomcat_: true :) but it's not a magic twice as good :)01:11
|trey|What was the point of that question?01:11
t35t0r|trey|, do you know how many people around the world would love to get your junk01:11
t35t0r|trey|, simply because it's not useful to you doesn't mean its not useful01:11
|trey|t35t0r: let them have it, if I can't use it, its not useful to me01:11
Tomcat_HrdwrBoB: Maybe not... ;)01:11
t35t0rfor you ya01:11
Tomcat_Well, bed.01:11
|trey|t35t0r: I hope someday ogg is just as popular or moreso then mp3, but today, you need mp301:12
t35t0r|trey|, i don't doubt that but whenever i can use an ogg over an mp3 i'll do it01:12
t35t0ri'll make sure my next player has ogg support01:12
|trey|I don't download (steal) music, I don't rip cd's... my only source for music is shoutcast.01:12
t35t0rit's far superior anyways01:13
calcogg will probably become more popular with the rise of linux desktop use, since mp3 encoders aren't distributed with the dists01:13
t35t0r|trey|, same here01:13
t35t0rcalc, ya redhat stopped in rh9 i think01:13
HrdwrBoBif and when ipods support ogg01:13
calcmy first player supported ogg but the second one didn't :\01:13
HrdwrBoBmp3s will decline01:13
calcthe iomega hipzip with secret firmware01:13
t35t0rcalc, hehe it's prolly running nix01:14
|trey|The easiest to patent format will always be the most popular. Ogg will never be the most popular format because record companies etc can't patent it.01:14
t35t0rit wouldn't be too difficult to make a player with a dsp that runs a nix based system01:14
calct35t0r: no but someone (name withheld) sent me the secret one that he wrote01:14
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t35t0r|trey|, also i don't think has any DRM01:15
calcit was the first device to support ogg01:15
t35t0ri don't think OGG has an DRM01:15
HrdwrBoBneither does mp301:15
calcipod uses m4p for drm01:15
t35t0rno but he was talking about proprietary formats in general01:15
mjrThere was actually some firm who were doing a DRM'd ogg spec. I don't know what happened to them.01:15
atomskany way to change the keyboard layout to french canadian? I think I picked wrong one during installation...01:15
mjr(nor do I remember their name)01:16
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t35t0ratomsk, xf86config ?01:16
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t35t0ratomsk, xf86cfg01:16
t35t0ratomsk, but you don't need to go through the whole thing you can look at the different keyboard types and fix it manually in XF86Config01:17
mjrah, here, if somebody's interested (this is not an endorsement, just fyi :) : http://www.sidespace.com/products/oggs/01:17
atomskt35t0r: yeah but I'd like to change it on console also...01:17
t35t0rmjr: i would like a car player with external input +ogg01:17
atomskis there a way to reconfigure the base system like Debian?01:18
|trey|atomsk: Ubuntu IS Debian, the same things apply.01:18
Se7hi have zlib installed01:18
|trey|atomsk: so yes, base-config etc exist.01:18
Se7hbut configure returns me that i dont have it01:18
Se7hwhats wrong ?01:18
|trey|Se7h: likely wrong version.01:19
atomsk|trey|: yeah...I did try "dpkg-reconfigure base-config" but it didnt work...01:19
azeematomsk: just run base-config01:19
calct35t0r: http://phatbox.sixpak.org/phatbox/ogg.phtml01:19
Se7h|trey| its the one from repository01:19
atomskthanks guys01:19
|trey|Se7h: thats irrelivent... 01:19
|trey|Se7h: what does it ask for, what you are feeding it?01:20
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|trey|Se7h: apt-get install auto-apt > auto-apt search <the file its looking for>01:21
|trey|its probably wanting zlib-dev01:21
t35t0rcalc, i don't want one that crazy ..i just need something that can play ogg cd's and has external input, currently my jensen which i got for $119 is great does mp3, and has external input can't beat that value01:21
bestadvocateactually |trey| it seems to have broken a bit more from debian than vidalinux has from gentoo01:21
calct35t0r: oh01:21
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|trey|bestadvocate: you're wrong, but ok, thanks for the input.01:22
azeembestadvocate: what's vidalinux?01:22
t35t0rcalc, i don't need a mobile ipod hehe ..sometimes i just hook my laptop to the thing and it's even better sound quality than off a cd01:22
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|trey|skvidal: Hey Seth, hows Yum coming along?  :)01:22
t35t0rcalc, i mean a mobile hard drive01:22
calct35t0r: appears that is only one listed that can play ogg in a car01:22
skvidal|trey|: not badly01:22
|trey|skvidal: thats not peticularly reasuring ;)01:22
t35t0rcalc, what happened to jensen anywas? got bought out by audiovox ..their website is nonexistant01:23
calcno idea01:23
skvidalI'm curious if ubuntu offers anything like kickstart - unattended, mass roll out on  heterogeneous hardware01:23
HrdwrBoBskvidal: not yet01:23
skvidal|trey|: umm, okay01:23
HrdwrBoBskvidal: that will be offered with the next release01:23
skvidalHrdwrBoB: is it intended?01:23
|trey|skvidal: there are plans... not yet though...01:23
t35t0rcalc, jensen is great for the price i haven't had any many problems which simply turning the thing on and off didn't fix01:23
skvidalHrdwrBoB: hmm. how will it handle interactive packages?01:23
HrdwrBoBso, in about 7 months (for a full stable version)01:23
skvidalHrdwrBoB: hmm, okay01:23
t35t0rthe AUX input just beats anything ..i mean you can hook up an ipod to it01:24
HrdwrBoBthe way debs work, nothing needs intereaction01:24
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|trey|skvidal: umm, answer the questions?01:24
skvidalHrdwrBoB: I thought you had to answer debconf rules to do that?01:24
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t35t0ri don't have one though ..i need to get one heh01:24
HrdwrBoBskvidal: why does a person have to answer debconf?01:24
|trey|skvidal: nah, run with "low" priority sometime...01:24
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|trey|skvidal: debconf askes as much or as little as its told to...01:25
skvidalHrdwrBoB: last time I played with debian - you needed to set debconf down fairly lowly so something wouldn't block on a package install01:25
skvidalHrdwrBoB: i was curious if that's been resolved -that's why I was asking01:25
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HrdwrBoBwell, since it hasn't really been done yet01:25
zenwhen:) :)01:25
skvidalHrdwrBoB: :-D01:25
skvidalHrdwrBoB: good answer. :)01:26
HrdwrBoBI daresay we will find out :)01:26
skvidalHrdwrBoB: cool. I'll lurk on the website from time to time and see what comes out of it01:26
HrdwrBoBbut in any case, it is planned, and the idea is NO interaction whatsoever01:26
skvidal|trey|, HrdwrBoB: thanks for the info01:26
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bestadvocateazeem desktop.vidalinux.com01:27
q2Hey all!01:27
|trey|bestadvocate: no one cares dude, shut up about gentoo.01:27
q2|trey| HAHAHAHH!01:27
azeem|trey|: I do01:27
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azeemjust curious though01:27
|trey|azeem: well take him to a /msg then...01:27
|trey|azeem: if you install it, within a week, you will be wishing you didn't...01:27
q2|trey, you havin a bad day?01:28
|trey|azeem: vidalinux = gentoo with a hacked up anaconda... works about 1/4 of the time...01:28
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bestadvocatetheir comprable to eachother due to their being highly improved instalations, and more magic-config focused versions of famous awesome super-not-so-user-friendly distros01:29
Lotmrokay um...im having some problems compiling anything in ubuntu01:29
Ex-CyberI consider Debian user-friendly, but that may have something to do with Slackware being my first distro01:29
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Lotmrim trying to compile mono01:29
Lotmrbut it tells me the compiler cant01:30
|trey|bestadvocate: umm, Ubuntu and Debian use the same installer.01:30
joemLotmr, there are mono packages available01:30
KamionLotmr: have you installed the build-essential package?01:30
KamionI bet you're missing libc6-dev01:30
bestadvocateubuntu has way bether ethos though!01:30
|trey|wtf is an ethos?01:30
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Kamionbestadvocate: dude, Ubuntu has many of the same core developers as Debian. :-)01:31
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ForsaKen`hello, im looking for the command to configure my network, what would that command be ?01:31
|trey|bestadvocate: Ubuntu = prettified Debian ... thats pretty much it  :/01:32
jasona90anyone know a good site for setting up Iptables01:32
Lotmrkamion, i have libc6-dev installed01:32
azeem|trey|: and it doesn't have a non-free section... yet.01:32
|trey|Vidalinux = Gentoo for people who are a little slow.01:32
ForsaKen`hello, im looking for the command to configure my network, what would that command be ?01:33
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crimsunForsaKen`: $EDITOR /etc/network/interfaces01:34
|trey|azeem: yet? surely those things are going into Universe? don't make the repo lines as long as Yum lines, please  :)01:34
ForsaKen`there is an interfaced command no? like in the ubuntu installation when it asks you01:34
|trey|ForsaKen`: the installer tries to guess... if its wrong, you edit the file you were just pointed at.01:35
azeemForsaKen`: maybe the network-setup from the gnome-system-tools is installed, not sure01:35
|trey|azeem: it is  :)01:35
|trey|(by default)01:35
|trey|ahh, wait, thats network-admin, guessing there is a difference?01:36
bestadvocate|tray| ethos is the plural form of ethics01:36
azeemnetwork-admin is the one I was talking about01:37
azeembestadvocate: really?01:37
azeemdidn't know that01:37
|trey|bestadvocate: how are ubuntu's ethics better then Debians? they are hardly different01:37
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Kamionbestadvocate: not really, ethos is a Greek singular noun from which the English word ethics is derived01:38
|trey|If they differed too much, I would not be using Ubuntu. I like the idea of including things people need, but thats the only way they differ...01:39
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Kamion(The Greek plural of ethos is ethoi.)01:39
Kamion|trey|: the plurality of *ics is a bit ambiguous in English sometimes ... anyway, this is straying off-topic rather a lot01:40
bestadvocate|tray| actually let me correct myself its not the plural, its the descriptive term "you have good ethics" is equal to "you have a good ethos"01:40
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|trey|Kamion: hah, yeah... still on the course for knowledge though, so I think its ok  :)01:41
azeem'bringing humanity to others'01:42
Lotmrholy shit the dependancies for mono are insane01:42
Lotmrubuntu really has to widen its apt repositories01:42
Lotmrcan i use standard debian packages?01:42
azeemDepends: Patent-21234124, Patent-1223494, Patent-2382934401:42
|trey|Lotmr: umm... its as wide as you make it...01:42
bestadvocate|trey| i was comparing to vidialinux not to debian01:43
|trey|Lotmr: yes, just don't include "main" as this is covered by ubuntu's main and universe01:43
bestadvocatethanks Kamion I did not know that01:43
|trey|Lotmr: there isn't much overlap between Ubuntu's main and universe and debians contrib and non-free though...01:44
|trey|If any at all...01:45
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HrdwrBoBso.. any idea on wtf evolution won't import my config :(01:45
nothing23how easy is it to replace xfree4.3.99 with xorg? I can't get xfree to work at all with my iBook01:46
HrdwrBoBnothing23: it's as easy as kissing your elbow01:47
t35t0rnothing23, what kind of video card is in that ibook?01:47
nothing23radeon m701:47
sladennothing23: can you file a bug about it.  It should "just work" (lots of the developers have PowerBooks)01:47
t35t0ryou might need to use frame buffer01:47
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nothing23yeah, I was having problem with xfree when I had gentoo on it too01:47
bestadvocatelol dictionary.com had an example that is perfect for a bunch of anti-propritary dudes like ourselves ?They cultivated a subversive alternative ethos? 01:47
nothing23i'll try that thanks01:47
|trey|nothing23: kinda hard... mainly because I am not aware of a xorg repo for debian yet  :/01:47
HrdwrBoB|trey|: because it doesn't exist01:48
HrdwrBoBthe next release will be xorg01:48
|trey|HrdwrBoB: thats kinda what I am implying  ;)01:48
t35t0rxorg 6.8 or 6.7?01:48
|trey|t35t0r: either01:48
t35t0r6.8 has some nice features above 6.701:49
HrdwrBoBt35t0r: it will be 6.801:49
t35t0r6.7 was just like ..we are xorg and this is our product01:49
|trey|t35t0r: k, well, if you find me a .deb for it, I will try them out, k?01:49
t35t0rthere are debs for everything01:49
danielsthere are no x.org deb sources right now01:49
|trey|t35t0r: negatory... I have been looking for the last ~1 year...01:49
danielsthe next release, Hoary, will feature X.Org, and this will enter Hoary during its development cycle01:50
t35t0rmaybe not for ubuntu but i'm sure there are for debian01:50
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danielst35t0r: i was taking debian into account when I said that01:50
|trey|daniels: I'm not just talking about via Ubuntu... there isn't one for Debian AT ALL...01:50
daniels|trey|: i know.01:50
Lotmrwhere can i find the address for the debian libs apt repository01:50
|trey|daniels: depending on how things happen, Ubuntu might be the first debian based to even get Xorg  :)01:50
daniels|trey|: yes01:51
t35t0rdaniels, |trey| hehe this why i use ...... well i won't get into that, but i learned my lesson from rh901:51
azeemgnoppix is Debian based and had x.org for a while now01:51
t35t0rknoppix really isn't practical01:51
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PerfDaveI'm sure I've seen some third-party repositories for xorg compiled against Debian/unstable being mentioned on #debian.01:51
t35t0rhow long does a new ubuntu come out?01:52
|trey|I heard Keith Packard was becoming a DD to help out with it actually  :/01:52
Lotmrwhere can i find the address for the debian libs apt repository?01:52
|trey|t35t0r: 6 months after last release01:53
azeemLotmr: which 'debian libs'?01:53
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t35t0r6 months is a while heh01:53
danielsazeem: sigh, checkinstalling it doesn't really count, unfortunately01:53
cefiro_hey guys does Ubuntu have NTFS in kernel by default?01:53
|trey|t35t0r: matches exactly GNOME's release schedule... wonder why  :)01:53
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|trey|(space so as to not bother him)01:53
daniels|trey|: yes, Keith is now a DD, but he's very busy with other commitments.  if you want, we can discuss the differences between fd.o/x.org xlibs in #freedesktop.01:53
azeemLotmr: don't /msg me, please01:53
Se7hisn't there a ssh frontend for gnome?01:54
|trey|daniels: on my way  :)01:54
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azeemSe7h: gnome-vfs can do SSH, AFAIK01:54
t35t0rdoes the new gnome allow me to drag windows between desktops? even in the mini multi-desktop windows in the taskbar?01:54
t35t0rdoes it allow you to change the horizontal/vertical size of the toolbar?01:54
jasona90how do u set up the Iptables in Ubuntu01:54
t35t0rjasona90, iptables01:55
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cefiro_hey guys does Ubuntu have NTFS in kernel by default?01:55
t35t0rjasona90, if the kernel has the support and you have the iptables cli01:55
t35t0rcefiro_, check the /boot/config-whatever file01:55
t35t0rif it exists01:55
cefiro_can I check that b4 i install?01:55
t35t0ryou'd have to find a cd or ask someone who runs ubunut01:56
cefiro_that's why im here ;) lol01:56
cefiro_i'm dl'ng the cd now though01:56
cchow easy/difficult is it to make an Ubuntu LiveCD?01:56
Lotmrlibicu28 where can i get it?01:56
Se7hazeem what the command line to run it?01:56
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t35t0ri wonder if the contents of the ubuntu CD are decompressed and sitting somehwere from ubunutlionux.org are they?01:57
azeemSe7h: uhm, you type some sort of 'ssh://foo@server/bar' URI in the location bar or so01:57
t35t0rso i can explore it first?01:57
azeemnot sure about the exact syntax01:57
jasona90cefiro_: yea Ubuntu will supporty NTFS 01:57
LinuxJonesjasona90, you could install Firestarter (but I don't like it)01:57
myka friend of mine just finished a ubuntu ppc expert install, but his xserver seems fubared -- none of the gnome apps have permission to connect to it01:57
Se7hazeem k01:57
mykany ideas?01:57
cefiro_jasona90: nice thanks01:57
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jasona90cefiro_: you can not write to the drive though only read01:58
Lotmrwhere can i get libicu28? its not in the universe even though it should be01:58
cefiro_jasona90: can I change that?01:58
t35t0rcan i look at the full decompressed iso somewhere?01:58
Kamioncefiro_: NTFS write support in Linux isn't stable yet01:58
Kamiont35t0r: I don't believe so, no01:58
t35t0rKamion, that would be nice ...01:58
aitrusSe7h: nautilus sftp://your.server.net/path/to/stuff01:59
LotmrKamion NTFS write was introduced with 2.601:59
Lotmrand it seems pretty stable01:59
Lotmri've never had any problem with it01:59
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Kamiont35t0r: people would probably download it, try to mkisofs, then file bugs when it didn't work :)01:59
jasona90cefiro_: yea but its still not stable so its not recommended to alloe writing01:59
mykLotmr: you can only read/write files that already exist01:59
t35t0rKamion, uhhh that's dumb ...i think it's a good idea to have it somewhere01:59
mykerm, write, i mean01:59
mjrhmm; used as a rescue system, does the ubuntu cd support soft-raid5?01:59
cefiro_can I convert the FS without losing data?01:59
Kamiont35t0r: don't call me dumb please. all the packages are in the archive, you can look at them independently.02:00
t35t0rKamion, simply a matter of putting a note somewhere saying you can't burn that since it doesn't have the boot image02:00
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Lotmrwhere can i get libicu28? its not in the universe even though it should be02:00
cefiro_I have 7 ntfs drives :/02:00
t35t0rKamion, i didn't call you dumb .. i said people who do that would be dumb02:00
Lotmrbig backup02:00
Kamiont35t0r: I am the CD image building guy.02:00
jasona90cefiro_:Uh yea you cant really change a File system without losing data02:00
cefiro_maybe I can slower convert 1 drive at a time hehe02:00
cefiro_well If I can read ok..02:01
cefiro_that's a start at least02:01
jasona90cefiro_:yea just make a fat drive if you have room02:01
mykjasona90: not true.  you can convert between ntfs/fat32 without too many troubles using partition magic02:01
Kamionanyhow, if somebody wants to do it off cdimage.ubuntulinux.org they're welcome; we won't be devoting effort to it though02:01
cefiro_ahh that's a good idea02:01
t35t0rKamion, so i guess what i am asking is that it would be nice to be able to look at what a "default ubuntu install" looks like on someones hard drive02:01
jasona90hes talking about linux though02:01
Lotmrwhere can i get libicu28? its not in the universe even though it should be02:01
Kamiont35t0r: like I just said02:01
Kamiont35t0r: that's very different from what you asked for earlier, and a lot more effort if anything ...02:02
cefiro_well I still have xp on here for the time being, so I can convert to Fat32 with little problem?02:02
jasona90I have heard bad stuff About partition magic so use it with caution02:02
t35t0rKamion, sorry to be unclear but that's what i meant ...02:02
mykKamion: when doing a base ubuntu install, is the only way to specify a specific mirror by using an expert install?02:02
Kamiont35t0r: if you want to set that up yourself and export it, you're quite welcome.02:02
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t35t0rKamion, but i don't see how that would be diffiult02:02
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Kamiont35t0r: on a daily basis? it can't be automated particularly easily, you know ...02:03
t35t0rKamion, yea i would i just don't have a fast link to host it02:03
mykcefiro_: with tools like partition magic, yes02:03
Kamiont35t0r: I have finite time, and many bugs to fix.02:03
t35t0rKamion, no as you said 6month releases only02:03
t35t0rKamion, when i say "you" i didn't mean "you" but ubuntu devs in general02:03
cefiro_sounds like a plan, thanks guys02:03
t35t0ror anyone else who might have the net resources02:03
Kamionmyk: believe so, yes; you can pick a mirror in synaptic after the install's finished02:03
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Kamiont35t0r: all of us have finite time and many bugs to fix :-)02:03
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dookyhey t35t0r 02:04
KamionLotmr: for NTFS status in Linux, see http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/status.html02:04
HrdwrBoBKamion: like partition resizing being 0% for the whole duration02:04
KamionHrdwrBoB: that depends on a number of factors02:04
HrdwrBoBI will file a bug when I get a minute02:04
tckLotmr, nice of u to join use02:04
tck*us even02:04
KamionHrdwrBoB: like, for a start, the filesystem :)02:05
Lotmri cannot find libicu2702:05
KamionHrdwrBoB: that's partman's fallback mode in certain cases02:05
Lotmrer 2802:05
myka friend of mine just finished a ubuntu ppc expert install, but his xserver seems fubared -- none of the gnome apps have permission to connect to it02:05
t35t0ranyone using ubuntu do grep NTFS /boot/config-<tab> then msg me results plz heheh02:05
azeemLotmr: why do you need it in the first place?02:05
jasona90anyone know where the Fluxbox puts the default Menu settings02:05
Lotmrto compile mono02:05
Lotmrand this freaking lib isnt in the universe02:05
Kamiont35t0r: you could just pick it out of linux-source-*.diff.gz02:05
mykany ideas?02:06
Lotmri cant find it ANYWHERE02:06
HrdwrBoBKamion: ah, well I was resizing a 60 odd gb partition to 12gb, it was ext302:06
t35t0rlotmr: what are you looking for?02:06
t35t0rLotmr, what are you trying to do02:06
jasona90My Menus it blank When i start FLUXBOX except for exit restart and xterm? what happed?02:06
KamionLotmr: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/i/icu28/02:06
Lotmrinstall the mono pkg02:06
Lotmrwhy doesnt that come up on my synaptic kamion?02:06
t35t0rLotmr, missing dep?02:07
KamionLotmr: perhaps you haven't got the universe repository enabled, or perhaps you didn't update after enabling it?02:07
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imkadoes any1 know if there'll be an official ubuntu forum?02:09
azeemimka: Kamion is working hard on it02:09
Kamionazeem: no I'm not ...02:10
KamionI believe jdub's looking into that stuff02:10
LotmrKAMION IS GOD!02:10
imkaKamion does your nick have to do smthg with UHU?02:10
Kamionimka: no02:10
azeemKamion: oh, it was getting such a nice running-gag02:10
imkaKamion means truck in hungarian02:11
Kamionyes, I know02:11
imkaubuntu devs are gods. seriously02:12
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imkaif some1 would have asked me how a distro should be and they make it for me, i would have described ubuntu02:13
Lotmri like ubuntu for desktop02:16
|trey|imka: thats pretty much the same thing here... different colors etc... but the desktop, I hate icons on the desktop, I love Debians package management... of course, sudo's use is growing on me now too  :)02:16
Lotmrbut still perfer debian for server02:16
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toyowheelinhello all02:16
LinuxJonestoyowheelin, hi02:16
toyowheelinI have found that MS users are impatient, and I am too my self 02:17
imkams users better be patient with the ms "release cycle" :)02:18
toyowheelintoday at school one guy was like see linux sucks because my mandrake install didnt see one of the teachers portable storage devices02:19
toyowheelinand I was like uhh ok02:19
toyowheelinI gotta get the right module for that thing02:19
Phr0stBytetoyowheelin: what was it?02:19
toyowheelinand of course windows instantly recognised the device so in his eyes he was right 02:20
toyowheelinPhr0stByte, it was a usb harddrive except it was a laptop hdd and portable02:20
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toyowheelinthe oddest thing I have ever seen02:21
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floomy first time here02:21
toyowheelinit was powered by the usb electricity02:21
Forsa`hmm, what is the command to restart my eth0 ?02:21
toyowheelinhi floo02:21
Forsa`in /etc/init.d02:21
Phr0stBytetoyowheelin: I have a USB drawing tablet I cant get goin either02:21
HrdwrBoBForsa`:  you can restart 'networking'02:21
Pete-Gasis it possible to get ubuntu to authenticate with a novell server at login?02:22
floohave you tried"service network start"02:22
toyowheelinForsa`, ifdown eth002:22
toyowheelinifup eth002:22
floowithout quotes obviously02:22
azeemfloo: that's RedHat-specific or so I think. Are you sure this exists on Debian/Ubuntu?02:22
flooerrrrrrrrr..... now you come to mention it02:23
toyowheelinactually ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 should work too02:23
flooNo it doesn't work... sorry!!02:24
mjrPete-Gas, there seems to be something called "pam_ascauth" that might work; dunno if it's included in Ubuntu. You might get better support for ldap authentication if your novell server supports that02:24
toyowheelinor maybe ifconfig eth0 down && ifconfig eth0 up02:24
Phr0stByteMS release cycle - thats funny. More like recycle lease....02:25
toyowheelinlol Phr0stByte02:25
flooI've just migrated from Madrake to Ubuntu... I think it's great!!02:26
toyowheelinme too Floo02:26
mjrPete-Gas, yep, no pam_ascauth in ubuntu, you'd have to get it elsewhere. pam_ldap module is available.02:26
toyowheelincept its been a few weeks now02:26
flooI like it's "desktoppiness"02:26
t35t0rfloo: hehe02:26
Phr0stBytefloo: same here - I've used mandrake sinse 5.x02:26
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t35t0rhow long ago was mandrake 5.x ?02:26
Phr0stBytemany years02:26
toyowheelinI only migrated however for the 64 support02:26
flooIsn't Gnome good too02:26
Phr0stByteabout 6-702:26
flooI come from a KDE background02:27
toyowheelinfloo im using KDE on ubuntu02:27
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toyowheelinKDE is kick ass02:27
flooAnd I'm particularly happy because I've just compiled Xine and Lbreakout2 from sourse02:27
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flooworks great!!02:27
toyowheelinlol floo02:27
cleePhr0stByte: so what's wrong with KDE? :)02:28
toyowheelinfloo my verry first compile ever was apache and perl combined02:28
floohad orblems with totem gstreamer02:28
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floowopuldn't play dvd's02:28
Phr0stByteclee: nothin - if thats what you like02:28
flooeven unencrypted ones02:28
jgeorgesoni wrote some extra code in update-rc.d to list the status of a service in all the runlevels, how would I go about submitting a patch?02:28
HrdwrBoBfloo: yes, totem-xine is currently recommended02:28
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cleePhr0stByte: heh. so what's your problem with KDE then? :)02:28
Kamionjgeorgeson: that sort of thing should probably go to Debian02:28
toyowheelinI wish mplayer was in the distro02:29
Phr0stByteclee: I just prefer the GTK librarie as opposed to qt02:29
jgeorgesonKamion, cool02:29
cleePhr0stByte: Dude. Have you ever written a line of code?02:29
floowell I don't need to bother now02:29
hartbrkris ubuntu really giving away free pressed cds with no shipping or anything at all?02:29
clee(and when I say "code" I mean code that uses GTK vs Qt)02:29
HrdwrBoBhartbrkr: yes02:29
t35t0rhartbrkr, yea i wonder how they can afford that02:29
flooI believe it is... but only for a limited time02:29
hartbrkrHrdwrBoB: no catches?02:29
cleeheh. it's not like they're being backed by a multimillionaire or anything.02:29
Phr0stByteclee: yes02:29
HrdwrBoBhartbrkr: well the catch is that you owe ubuntu your soul02:29
cleePhr0stByte: And you can still say that you prefer GTK, with a straight face?02:30
flooIt would be interesting to see if they have a presence at the expo tomorrow02:30
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Phr0stByteclee: I am working on a project now02:30
HrdwrBoBbut it's a small price to pay02:30
t35t0rit's FREE software you don't owe anything02:30
Kamionfloo: the London one?02:30
hartbrkrHrdwrBob: them damn africans02:30
t35t0rwhat's the limit02:30
Phr0stByteclee: Yes02:30
floo35,000 i think02:30
hartbrkrhow is ubuntu for newbies?02:30
cleePhr0stByte: Just FYI, I'm clee@kde.org... so I think my bias is pretty obvious. :)02:30
t35t0rhartbrkr, ubuntu-nubiee 02:31
Kamionfloo: I don't know if we have anybody there; I don't think there'll be a stand. I'll be down tomorrow evening to have a drink with some people I know who'll be at the expo.02:31
Phr0stByteclee: IC02:31
toyowheelingo clee02:31
t35t0rhartbrkr, do you know what a kernel is?02:31
floook well I'm 25 stone with a missing left hand... come up and say hello if you recognise me02:31
cleePhr0stByte: I'm always interested in finding out why people dislike KDE though. Some of the reasons can be fixed, some of them can't...02:31
Phr0stByteclee: what do you code with - QT designer?02:31
cleePhr0stByte: oh god no. I mean, I use it for mockups every now and then. But for the most part, I do my layouts by hand in code.02:32
Phr0stByteclee: IC02:32
hartbrkrt35t0r: yes02:32
t35t0rhartbrkr, ahh damnit i was hoping you'd say no ..then ubuntu would be for you hehehaha02:32
toyowheelinclee what part of the kde project do you usually work on? or is it just all of it?02:32
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cleetoyowheelin: I've got a few hundred lines in kdelibs and kdebase... my main claim to fame is the dotNET widget style though.02:33
t35t0ractually not knowing what a kernel is then lindows is for you02:33
Phr0stByteclee: Well, as far as coding goes, I use neither librarie - mostly into SDL for game developement02:33
toyowheelinclee cool...02:33
flooI don't dislike KDE btw... it's just that there'sno suppoert for it yet in Ubuntu02:33
cleemjr: Right, I know this. The APIs are still ... interesting02:33
hartbrkrt35t0r: I'm just looking for something small and pretty simple to learn with .. I don't have much time to use linux so I don't want to download 5 cd's02:33
t35t0rhartbrkr, ya ubuntu's pretty good for that i imagine02:34
toyowheelinfloo I havent had any problems in KDE02:34
floome neither02:34
toyowheelinno I mean in ubuntu02:34
t35t0rhartbrkr, but in general linux isn't for people without time02:34
floono I was responding to someone else02:34
cleemjr: For example, the syntax for gtk_table_attach requires 10 arguments by default - the GTK_TABLE, the GTK_WIDGET you want to embed in the GTK_TABLE, then the left_align, right_align, top_align, bottom_align, the horizontal stretch options, the vertical stretch options, the xpadding and then the ypadding02:34
imkagood nite all02:34
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t35t0rhartbrkr, you get what you pay for ...you pay for it with your time getting stuff to work02:34
LinuxJoneshartbrkr, have you looked @ any Live CD's they run Linux from your cdrom drive without installing.02:34
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Phr0stByteclee: ever use Anjuta?02:35
joemclee, libglade?02:35
cleemjr: In Qt, you have QGridLayout::addWidget(widget, int row, int col, int alignment = 0);02:35
HrdwrBoBnothing is for people without time02:35
flooToyowheelin hope to see you tomorrow if not will catch up with you here... goodnight everyone02:35
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toyowheelinok c ya02:35
cleethe fourth argument is optional. And if you need to add a widget that spans multiple cells there's addMultiCellWidget.02:35
hartbrkrLinuxJones: I have knoppix std02:35
cleePhr0stByte: Never used it02:35
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toyowheelinknoppix std is cool02:36
cleeThe gtk_table vs QGridLayout example is just one of many02:36
cleeThe GTK API makes it a lot harder to just get things done02:36
cleeNot impossible, but just more difficult02:36
LinuxJoneshartbrkr, ahh , knoppix makes it easy to install Linux as well.02:36
joemglade/libglade takes away some of that frustration02:36
Phr0stByteclee: I think it comes down to what you learned first and what your most comfortable with...02:36
cleePhr0stByte: The difference between ten mandatory arguments and three isn't "what you learned first"02:37
cleePhr0stByte: It's a simple matter of how much typing you want to do :)02:37
Se7hStarting NFS servers: nfsd mountd.02:37
Se7hbut it seems its not running02:37
keiferis anyone else have problems with rythymbox giving an error about "Alsa device default alread in use by another programe"?02:37
azeemclee: it's not about the amount of arguments, it's about who's hacking on it :)02:37
cleejoem: Glade as a UI designer is *sorely* lacking though02:37
HrdwrBoBkeifer: is your alsa device already in use by another program?02:38
t35t0rSe7h, what do you mean its not running can you export it to other systems?02:38
cleeand libglade is neat, but we've had the equivalent in KDE for quite a while now as well.02:38
joemyea, its not the best. But it does make it easier to deal with things like {x,y}padding etc..02:38
Se7ht35t0r well, i guess its not, but whats the command to see if it is...?02:38
keiferHrdwrBoB: Nope, not that I'm awear of.02:38
t35t0rSe7h, ps -Af | grep nfs02:38
HrdwrBoBkeifer: if you run gstreamer-properties02:39
joemI don't have an knowledge of qt, etc..02:39
HrdwrBoBsee what your output is set to02:39
joemuse kde once for a few weeks, thats about it02:39
t35t0rSe7h, also check ps -Af | grep portmap02:39
cleejoem: I don't claim to have *intimate* knowledge of GTK, but I have learned enough about it to feel pretty comfortable with it. I've written a couple of small test apps, and read through a *lot* of the API documentation02:39
Phr0stByteI used it for a few years02:39
cleejoem: I know Qt quite a bit better, obviously02:40
toyowheelinI wonder how hard it is to compile all of KDE02:40
joemheh, yea02:40
cleetoyowheelin: heh. it takes a while. :)02:40
keiferset to alsa. testing the pipeline results in "Faild to construct test pipeline, blah blah blah".02:40
toyowheelinclee is it hard?02:40
t35t0rtoyowheelin, there's a gentoo user doing it as we speak somewhere in the world02:40
HrdwrBoBtry setting it to ESD02:40
cleejoem: but a lot of the things that I take for granted with Qt/KDE just don't exist with GTK02:40
HrdwrBoBand testing that02:40
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keiferHrdwrBoB: now i have sound from the internal speaker, but not my usbs.02:41
joemyea, gtk does make things a bit more complicated02:41
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toyowheelint35t0r, gentoo dose alot for you tho...like oh...portage02:41
cleejoem: it's not even "more complicated"02:41
t35t0rtoyowheelin, yea but it basically means you have to grab the dependencies yourself or follow kde's instructions02:41
cleejoem: it's "oh. that doesn't exist."02:41
HrdwrBoBkeifer: usbs ?02:41
keiferyeah, I have some usb speakers.02:41
joemall distros manage packages for you02:42
cleejoem: for example - you can't add or remove columns from a GtkTreeView from glade. Simply doesn't work.02:42
keiferharman/kardon soundsticks. I had it working from default in deb. kinda odd.02:42
joemclee, well thats no fun then02:42
t35t0rthere are USB based speakers?!?!?02:42
cleejoem: exactly.02:42
toyowheelinclee how well dose KDE 3.3 work02:42
keifert35t0r: lol, yeah. :)02:42
cleetoyowheelin: I compile from CVS daily. So... I have no idea. :)02:42
toyowheelinlol 02:42
toyowheelinhumm 02:43
Phr0stBytekeifer: any other USB devices working?02:43
clee3.3 has a lot of cool stuff, but there's always new stuff in CVS, so I lose track of what makes it into the releases and what doesn't02:43
keifererm, keyboard/mouse is.02:43
|trey|t35t0r: if they could figure out how to make it viable, there would be USB CPU's  :/02:43
keiferprinter is also usb, and it's working02:43
Se7ht35t0r thanks02:43
cleethe other thing that absolutely kills me about GTK (and this only really applies to the C API, as most of the others seem to have fixed it) is functions with names like gtk_icon_theme_get_default()02:43
t35t0r|trey|, and why wouldn't that be viable ..prolly a transmeta cpu could do the trick???02:43
cleeand gtk_icon_theme_get_for_screen()02:43
joemclee, yea02:44
t35t0r|trey|, since amd/intel uses ridiculous amount of power02:44
joemsomebody just blogged about that 02:44
cleejoem: I know, that was what triggered that little outburst. :)02:44
|trey|t35t0r: too far from mobo...02:44
t35t0r|trey|, yea but that's a good idea you just use the USB bus02:45
t35t0r|trey|, it's like clustered computing02:45
cleeanyway. yeah, from a user's perspective, I can definitely see reasons to prefer GNOME. From a developer's point of view though.... I dunno, that just seems crazy to me02:45
|trey|t35t0r: damnit, I was joking  :)02:45
t35t0r|trey|, think about DISTCC ..or sending out work packets02:45
toyowheelinclee do I need to dump the current KDE i got installed to compile 3.3?02:45
t35t0r|trey|, no seriously i think you're onto something02:45
cleejoem: check out http://people.redhat.com/mclasen/higdialog/comparison.html for another example of what I'm talking about. :)02:45
|trey|t35t0r: heh, even if I am, I don't have the technical know how to do it  :/02:46
cleetoyowheelin: Not necessarily; you can have multiple KDE versions concurrently installed, but it's tricky to manage02:46
HrdwrBoBI don't know if you have noticed02:46
t35t0r|trey|, I DO!!!!!02:46
HrdwrBoBbut the USB bus is REALLY REALLY SLOW02:46
joemclee, yea that is crazy02:46
|trey|Would need RAM in the device though of course  :)02:46
t35t0rHrdwrBoB, forget USB ..try firewire02:46
toyowheelinwell I would like to "upgrade" to 3.302:46
HrdwrBoBstill slwo02:46
|trey|HrdwrBoB: not so much with USB2.0  :/02:46
t35t0rHrdwrBoB, it doesn't matter if it can get ethernet speeds it will do the trick02:46
HrdwrBoB|trey|: orders of magnitude02:46
t35t0rusb2.0 still uses the same bus02:46
HrdwrBoBa CPU needs extremely high bandwidth02:47
t35t0rHrdwrBoB, think about it modular CPU units through the USB!!!02:47
t35t0rit's great for clustering02:47
HrdwrBoBit' snot02:47
HrdwrBoBit's a retarded idea02:47
|trey|HrdwrBoB: Which was kinda my initial point  :/02:48
t35t0ryea that's what they said about a bazillion other inventions02:48
t35t0rthat;s it i'm gonna start making it now!02:48
jgeorgesonif I have package with version 2.85-22ubuntu11, is 2.85-22 safe to assume as the debian package version? should I assume it's off the testing release?02:48
|trey|How fast is a USB bus? (I hate saying things like that, Universal Serial Bus bus, ugh)02:48
t35t0rtotal throughput is like 400mbps02:49
HrdwrBoBt35t0r: total theoretical maximum output02:49
t35t0rthat's how clustered systems work. .the onl02:49
t35t0ri know how to solve the power problem02:49
t35t0r!! :>>>>02:49
neighborleehow do get cdburning apps to work....just installed xcdroast but its not finding the burner nor am I finding any info about it on faq or how-to sections ? ;-))02:50
t35t0r|trey|, you're brilliant!02:50
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HrdwrBoBneighborlee: you should be able to use nautilus02:50
Phr0stByteexcept for burning non-iso DVDs02:51
neighborleeHrdwrBoB, hmm okay ..never have but Ill give it a whirl02:51
joemnautilus should be able to burn data dvds02:51
neighborleePhr0stByte, heh well not having  a dvd burner that wont bother me much yet ;-)heh02:51
|trey|t35t0r: hah02:52
Phr0stBytejoem: yes - but not ones that will play on a DVD player02:52
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joemthose aren't considered data cds really02:54
joemer dvds02:54
Phr0stBytejoem: I meant video DVDs02:54
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neighborleehmmmm ..drag and drop doesn't work for burning ? ( so far only copy/paste seems to be working)02:56
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TheMonoTonegforge package is broken03:00
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neighborleeis there a firefox fix yet ? ;)))..I 'updated' via the built in updater and it totally fried the window UI...I get this tiny 2x2 or so window with no way to expand it..03:01
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Phr0stByteneighborlee: apt-get update03:03
Phr0stByteneighborlee: apt-get upgrade03:03
neighborleei've done that already..few days ago03:04
neighborleeoh ok gotcha03:04
neighborleePhr0stByte, do you remember what the problem with firefox was ?03:05
Phr0stByteneighborlee: not really - some security vulberability03:05
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neighborleewoah 92 package upgrades...my gosy somebody has been busy LOL03:07
Phr0stByteneighborlee: There is another kernel update as well...03:07
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Phr0stByteneighborlee: Its like Christmas, yeah?03:08
neighborleesee thats why a 'panel applet notifer' is going to be so desireable ( I know its prob. not easy programming)..people have busy lives and we dont always remember to do these things <wink>03:08
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ranmanAnybody seen any weird behavior in nautilus, like wide holes in the middle of the icon view?03:09
Phr0stByteranman: nope03:10
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Phr0stByteranman: are you using the default icon view?03:10
ranmanStrange... I opened my folder, and almost freaked when I did not see anything.. just had to scroll down..03:10
ranmanI refresh, and every so often, there are holes in the middle of the listing... 03:11
Phr0stByteranman: custom icons? custom theme?03:11
neighborleeranman, me neither03:11
ranmanNo manual layout.. 03:11
Phr0stBytenever seen that03:12
Phr0stByteranman: Using any straight Debian sources when updating?03:12
ranmanyeah, and in the root of my home directory, I have to scroll down two miles after the folders to get to the files...03:12
ranmanAll of the gnome stuff is Ubuntu...03:13
ranmanI even remove prior config, and let Ubuntu redo the configs..03:13
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Phr0stByteranman: I have no idea then03:13
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ranmanYes, I was a bad boy and went from deb unstable to Ubuntu... But, this is the only thing strange that I see..03:14
Phr0stByteAhhhhhhh - now it comes out....03:14
Phr0stByteranman: Go into Synaptic and try to force version on as many packages as possible to Ubuntu packages03:16
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anders_anybody knows if ubuntu will follow debians strict policy on things like libdvdcss, mp3, etc.03:23
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azeemanders_: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats03:24
HrdwrBoBanders_: yes03:24
Kamionanders_: varies, but in the examples you quote yes03:24
ions|ubuntuI just installed Ubuntu on my neighbour's machine (gotta say I love it so far) but when we go to Yahoo games Firefox dies instantly in a seg fault - any ideas?03:24
adam_anyone know if the ubuntu changes to gnome as far as the menus "applications/computer" will make it back in to gnome proper?03:25
Phr0stByteions|ubuntu: flash is on the page - is it installed?03:26
Phr0stByteions|ubuntu: (mine works fine)03:26
ions|ubuntuI'll need to do that too03:26
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socommions|ubuntu, try `apt-get update && apt-get upgrade'03:27
ions|ubuntuthis is a fresh intall03:27
adam_did you upgrade during install?03:27
socommWell that is if you got the bandwith/patience.03:27
ions|ubuntuyeah it asked if I wanted to and said yes03:27
Phr0stByteions|ubuntu: Let me take that back - I just tried to get into a game and mine crashed03:27
ions|ubuntuyeah - instantly disappear?03:28
Phr0stByte(yahoo games)03:28
socommI've had the same thing happen.03:28
socommIt won't crash the second time.03:28
socommFire it up again and go to games it won't crash.03:29
Phr0stByteyes it did03:29
ions|ubuntuI have tried several times and repeated the crash03:29
socommWell it didn't for me.03:29
Phr0stByteafter I sign in, it crashes when trying to join a room03:29
ions|ubuntuexactly 03:29
socommDoesn't crash here.03:30
socommI've had it crash before though.03:30
ions|ubuntuhave you done anything to Firefox after you installed?03:30
socommYes adblocked all the yimg ads.03:31
Phr0stByteions|ubuntu: Yeah - I just updated it tonight03:31
socommSuppose that blocks their flash ads too.03:31
aitrusDoes Matt Zimmerman ever lurk here?03:31
Phr0stByteions|ubuntu: 1.0 preview release03:31
ions|ubuntuI haven't tried Yahoo games on my Gentoo box yet03:32
ions|ubuntuyeah that's what I have03:32
socommI have version 1.0 preview.03:32
neighborleehmm darn i'm getting 404 errro on package 'hal'03:32
neighborleevia synatpic mark all upgrades03:33
ranmanJava problem?03:33
ranmanWhat is your jvm version?03:33
ions|ubuntuyeah I think so03:33
ranmanYahoo games is a java applet correct?03:33
socommDoes ubuntu come with java Preinstalled?03:33
Phr0stBytesocom: no03:33
socommYes Y! games are all Java if I'm not mistaken.03:33
ranmanThat maybe the problem.. Java applets are annoying..03:34
Phr0stBytesocom: I have java installed, and have no problems with scripts and applets on other pages03:34
ions|ubuntuI have java-common .2203:34
ions|ubuntuaccording to synaptic03:34
socommI installed java manually, it's java 1.4.2_0503:34
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ranmanRun firefox from the command line, and see it throughs an error before it disappears.. Java problems usually do..03:35
ions|ubuntuall it says is segmentation fault03:35
ranmanIf that does not produce, check out strace...03:35
cefirohey guys I installed finally, but it's telling me my root password is wrong when I su, is there any way to reset/rescue it without reinstalling?03:35
socommcefiro, ubuntu is a rootless distro03:35
socommRemember you did not set your root password when you installed.03:36
toyowheelinso...whats new with ubuntu03:36
ranmansudo password root03:36
sabdflpasswd root03:36
sabdflsudo passwd root03:36
ranmanhaha, yes..03:36
socommYou can set you're password by rebooting pressing ESC and going into safe mode.03:36
joemread the faq, you can use sudo for anything you need03:36
ranmanReboot is for windows..03:36
enkiyay for sudo03:36
toyowheelinnot the most secure os ever03:37
socommThen type passwd and set your root passwd.03:37
cefirosudo sez Sorry, try again lol03:37
socommafter that ctl^D shoot boot you back in.03:37
Phr0stByteions|ubuntu: Found the solution03:37
toyowheelinhahah a root pass sweet I feel a lil more secure03:38
Phr0stByteions|ubuntu: install "free-java-sdk"03:38
socommtoyowheelin, you can edit your menu.lst after you set your root passwd.03:38
toyowheelinedit to what?03:38
enkidude any word on reiser4 support in the next release?03:38
socommSo your younger brother can't boot into safe mode and change roots passwd.03:38
joemreiser4 has security issues that need to be addressed before any distro will include it03:39
socommOr roomate/girfriend/etc.03:39
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toyowheelinsocomm, dose safemode just give root access?03:39
ions|ubuntuPhr0stByte: I don't see free-java-sdk listed in synaptic03:39
HrdwrBoBsocomm: init=/bin/bash03:39
socommtoyowheelin, yes it boots into single user mode (su).03:39
HrdwrBoBor a boot disk03:39
HrdwrBoBif they want to pwn you, they can03:40
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Kamionaitrus: often, but it's usually best to aim questions at developers in general or at the bug tracking system rather than at one particular very heavily-loaded developer. :)03:40
Banzahey all03:40
Phr0stByteions|ubuntu: got it from a Debian source03:40
tonyHi guys...03:40
toyowheelinouch socomm03:40
toyowheelinthat could laeve a mark03:40
ions|ubuntusorry, I'm new to Debian - apt-get java-free-sdk?03:40
aitrusKamion: well, i wanted to talk to him in private about his alsa decision  -- i didn't want to start a public debate/war03:40
socommHrdwrBoB, but this won't make it as easy.03:41
Phr0stByteions|ubuntu: apt-get install <package>03:41
tonyCan someone help me with an audio problem? 03:41
ranmantony: what is your card?03:42
socommActually it's not safe mode, it's recovery mode. You get the idea though.03:42
ions|ubuntuE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?03:42
ranmanonboard what?03:42
ions|ubuntuas root03:42
Kamionaitrus: wouldn't presume to decide for somebody else, but perhaps private mail would be better03:42
aitrusKamion: alrighty03:43
tonyI'm just starting to use Linux and I know little to nothing about it.03:43
ranmantony: run command lspci, and tell me what kind of audio it says..03:43
Phr0stByteions|ubuntu: got it?03:43
ions|ubuntunm, but now I have this error: E: Couldn't find package free-java-sdk03:44
tonyI can hear beeps when I open and close programs but when I try to play an audio file, the player opens then closes really fast on its own. 03:44
ranmanions: apt-cache search java-sdk.. see if it is there..03:44
JeedeeWhat is your motherboard brand/model tony?03:45
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Phr0stByteions|ubuntu: I would say to add a Debian source, but I dont want you to break other stuff when you do upgrades...03:45
ranmanbeeps? if that is true, then maybe you do not have the correct driver..03:45
ranmanI hear clicks..03:45
tony0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82810 GMCH [Graphics Memory Controller Hub]  (rev 02)03:45
tony0000:00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82810 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller]  (rev 02)03:45
tony0000:00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801AB PCI Bridge (rev 02)03:45
tony0000:00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82801AB ISA Bridge (LPC) (rev 02)03:45
tony0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801AB IDE (rev 02)03:45
tony0000:00:1f.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801AB USB (rev 02)03:45
ions|ubuntuwell it's "crucial" to have Yahoo games apprently03:45
tony0000:00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corp. 82801AB SMBus (rev 02)03:45
tony0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801AB AC'97 Audio (rev 02)03:45
cefirok the esc thing works thanks, now I went to mount my ntfs's and none of them are in my /dev/ dir unless they are named something other than hda etc03:45
tony0000:01:0b.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M [Tornado]  (rev 74)03:45
tony0000:01:0e.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AHA-2940/2940W / AIC-787103:45
ranmanhaha, ok, you have an intel chip..03:46
ranmanhold on..03:46
cefirowhen I boot I see the drive manuf/names whizzing by though..03:46
ranmantony: your driver should be ac97... 03:48
adam_has ubuntu released its patches to gnome for the menu configuration? (the `computer` menu)?03:48
neighborleehas anyone received a 'hal' package warning during apt-get upgrade ..ie: 404 not found ?...or is it safe for now to ignore ? ;-)03:48
aitrustony: how old is your motherboard?03:48
neighborleeive ran this about 15 minutes apart so I think its a 'missing package'03:49
tonyI'm not sure...Its an old HP Pavilion 6535 03:49
aitrustony: alrighty.  i was just wondering if it was brand spanking new... cause some of the newer AC '97s don't seem to be supported in the version of alsa ubuntu ships with03:50
LinuxJonesnight all03:50
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ranmanaitrus: he needs to "dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base" correct?03:51
ranmanI forget.. haha03:51
cefiroI see my drives in the Gnome device manager but shouldn't they ben in /dev/?03:52
tonyI can hear like a beating drum when I delete email....so I guess the sound works...just not the mp3 player.03:52
socommcefiro, you can use dmesg to see all those messages that fly by on boot.03:53
ranmanhmmm, I think that mp3 is restricted on Ubuntu.. right guys?03:53
aitrusranman: i don't know... too many years of red hat03:53
cefironice hda, hdb03:54
ranmanI remember that I had a nice command to setup alsa, but do not remember..03:54
tonyActually its a .wav file....my bad.'03:54
cefirobut /dev/hda /hdb don't exist so how can I mount :/03:54
ranmanfrom the commandline, run "play wavefilename.wav" and see if it works..03:56
stubI'm just doing a big upgrade through Synaptic, and I'm being asked for what graphics driver to use for X. What is the name of this command in case I get the answer wrong (I'm going to attempt to use fglrx), and can I happily run it from single user mode?03:56
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neighborleestub, if your using ATI then yeah that sounds right03:57
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stubneighborlee: I'm more interested in what the command is to rerun that setup though - I tried an earlier version of fglrx manually and it failed.03:58
tonyCommand not found03:58
ranmanhmmm, ic... esdplay?03:58
cefiroso if my drives aren't in /dev/ any suggestions where I can mount them from03:59
tonybash...command not found03:59
ranmanhmmm, esdplay should come with the sound server...04:00
socommwhat command?04:00
tonyTotem Movie player is what tries to open it when I click on the wav file.04:02
ranmanaha.. totem... piece of sh**....04:02
ranmanYou need to install the totem-xine package instead of the totem-gstreamer package...04:03
socommtony, install mplayer.04:03
socommYou'll thank me later.04:03
Phr0stByteMPlayer rocks04:03
ranmando not forget the w32codecs..04:03
tonyIm lost guys ....I mean I dont know anything about Linux...04:04
socommmplayer == good04:04
socommThat's a good tutorial. On how to get mplayer going.04:04
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socommThough it's more of a ... BSD centric article.04:05
aitrusdo "mailto:" links work for anyone using firefox and thunderbird?04:05
toyowheelinI use kmail04:05
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socommaitrus, works for me using evolution.04:05
toyowheelinand yes  they work in kmail04:05
aitrussocomm: that wouldn't be firefox & thunderbird now, would it  =)04:05
aitrussocomm: but thanks  =)04:05
socommaitrus, firefox launches evolution.04:05
aitrussocomm: it doesn't seem to launch thunderbird, though04:06
aitrusahhh crap!!!04:06
aitrusi forgot to update my preferred email reader!04:06
cefiroso if hda , hdb etc aren't in my /dev/ any suggestions where they might be or fix it :/04:07
cefirorunning ubuntu on my sata, which sd etc04:08
aitrusand it works.  duh on my part04:08
neighborleestub:xf86config  maybe is to what you refer04:09
ranmanhmmm, how long has firefox been loading evolution?04:09
tonysocom or ranman....can one of you guys walk me through some of this? I dont know how to install ports...04:09
socommtony, ports are FreeBSD.04:09
tonySo I dont need those...04:10
socommNo, you couldn't get them even if you tried.04:10
neighborleesocomm, mplayer doesn't work well in ubuntu...04:10
ranmanWhat package are you wanting to install?04:10
socommneighborlee, works for me.04:10
socommtony, if you like I can write a short tutorial for you.04:11
neighborleesocomm, so old school and no one should ever ( no offense) have to go through something like that04:11
tonyI thought I went to the right page..04:11
ranmantony first rule.. apt is your best friend.. It is is more faithful than your girlfriend..04:11
neighborleesocomm, heh linux really does need to be easier to use to attract a large userbase ;-)04:11
tonyGood....cause I dont have a girlfriend...04:11
socommlinux .....04:11
neighborleesocomm, mplayer for me causes error in /dev/mixer04:11
ranmanboyfriend.. whatever... haha joking..04:11
tonyWife passed away...04:12
socommneighborlee, works for me without much fuss.04:12
neighborleetony, oh :(04:12
ranmanic.. Sorry for that..04:12
neighborleesocomm, wish I knew mine wasn't then04:12
neighborleeI wonder that I should check bugzilla then04:12
neighborleeor make one if its not there..yes indeed04:12
neighborleetony, very sorry tony..I know how that goes04:13
socommneighborlee, maybe.04:13
neighborleetony, take comfort that she is in a good place..of that I can tell you for sure04:13
tonyThanks guys...I have my two little girls...The big one wants to use Linux and Dads feeling pretty dumb right about now..04:14
ranmanHow old are your girls?04:14
tony5 and 1104:14
tonyYou guys see sloopy in here?04:15
ranmanCool.. monster age, and boyfriend age.. keeps you busy..04:15
cefiroanyone think they can help me?04:15
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ranmanTony have you tried synaptic yet?04:16
tonyI need like a maual ..."Linux For Complete Morons"04:16
socommtony, there are tons of books like that.04:16
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aitrusmost were written by complete morons though04:16
tonyItried to install XMS I think it was called. 04:16
socommtony, actually visit http://www.linuxjunior.org04:16
ranmanNow that would be called the Linux manual for the common windows user... ;)04:16
moojhow do i shut off my xserver04:16
moojso it dumps me to a consol04:16
socommWe can help you there. Anything you need.04:17
ranmansorry.. could not resist...04:17
socommmooj, killall -9 gdm && killall -9 X04:17
ranmansocomm, a good ctl-alt-backspace is more efficient..04:18
aitruswonder if he piped that command direct to a console...04:18
socommranman, gdm will fire back up.04:18
ranman/etc/init.d/gdm stop04:18
hartbrkrwhat kernel does ubuntu use?04:18
socommLinux 2.6.8-104:18
neighborleetony, well if you get stuck you can depend on ubuntu helping you04:19
ranmanWill ubuntu let you do that with no root?04:19
Kamionhartbrkr: to clarify,, not 2.6.8-104:19
ranmanI took the fast route from deb unstable.. So I get the cool desktop with unstable features..04:19
ranmanAlas I miss my debian menu though...04:19
socommToo many dots.04:19
tonyI was checking out those sitess you sent me...cool04:19
aitruswhen did the linux kernel add that 4th part of the version?04:19
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moojokay can anyone here help me setup my dual mons?04:20
mooji was about halfway through04:20
Kamionaitrus:'s the first such I've ever seen04:20
moojand hrdwr was helping me04:20
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moojbut he's dead now04:20
aitrusKamion: whew... thought i was stuck really old school04:20
Kamionaitrus: presumably because it was a *very* quick fix on top of 2.6.8 (http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-
Kamionaitrus: doubt it'll be a regular occurrence04:20
aitrusKamion: i hope not  =)04:21
hartbrkrhow much disk space does ubuntu need?04:21
socommI hope they add an extra dot for humor sake.04:21
hartbrkris 2gb enough?04:21
socommhartbrkr, depends.04:22
alexgOkay.  I can't find a libdvdcss package for amd64 anywhere.  So I'm trying to build mplayer.  Mplayer builds fine, but for some reason it says VIDIX is disabled, thus I don't get any useful video output from it.04:22
socommhartbrkr, most distros won't let you get away with less than 3GB04:22
hartbrkrok.. so 4 would be plenty, if not too much?04:22
alexgI just want to play DVDs.  The repository mentioned in the Wiki is i386 only (so I'm pretty sure that means I can't use it).04:22
socomm4 should be more than enough.04:23
Kamionhartbrkr: 2GB is more than enough for an installation04:24
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Kamionhartbrkr: you'll have about 500/600MB free afterwards04:24
tonyI want to read those pages a little then its off to bed. I have to get the girls off to school early. I'll  be back tomorrow to ask you guys more stupid questions....LOL Good Night!04:25
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nugehi guys04:30
neighborleenuge, hello04:32
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sabdflAndyFitz: hiya, how are the icons coming?04:40
defendguinhey AndyFitz04:42
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AndyFitzhiya guys. just trying to get a hold of jdub so he can put them in the artwork package04:53
ions|ubuntuany idea why I would have no sound?04:54
ions|ubuntuvolume is up 04:54
HrdwrBoBions|ubuntu: open the full volume app04:55
HrdwrBoBit may be that general volume is up04:55
HrdwrBoBPCM volume is down04:55
ions|ubuntuyeah I figured04:55
bob2AndyFitz: email him04:55
ions|ubuntuwhat is the general audio app - I tried aumix04:55
HrdwrBoBAndyFitz: last I heard he was going for coffee with a mate of mine04:56
HrdwrBoBmind you that was a few hours ago :)04:56
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BanzaIm installing Starcraft on my box using Wine04:56
Banzait works good04:56
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HrdwrBoBions|ubuntu: right click on the speaker in the top bar and select open volume control04:56
HrdwrBoBRuffianSoldier: works well04:56
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RuffianSoldierHrdwrBoB: ya!04:56
HrdwrBoBworks good isn't technically correct04:57
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RuffianSoldieri likeit04:57
RuffianSoldierits fun04:57
ions|ubuntuwell the volumes were down but turning them up didn't help04:57
HrdwrBoBclee: yes, not many words in english end in u04:58
anders_got libdvdcss2 from http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian/ , but totem still not plays dvd's04:58
cleeHrdwrBoB: this is true. However, it's not an English word. :)04:58
HrdwrBoBand people are lazy so they assume it's an o04:58
HrdwrBoBI know this, you know this :P04:58
HrdwrBoBanders:install totem-xine04:58
anders_already did04:58
HrdwrBoBor I use packages from http://hpisi.nerim.net/04:58
HrdwrBoBdeb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main04:59
anders_ok, thanks04:59
ranmanHrdwrBob: ask the package maintainer of the spellcheck to add Ubuntu to the default dictionary..04:59
HrdwrBoBranman: file a bug yourself :)04:59
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ions|ubuntuanyother ideas?05:01
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ions|ubuntuMultimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator]  (rev 01)05:02
ions|ubuntulspci sees the sound controller05:02
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ranmanions: try the play command on a wave file.. see if that works, if so then maybe your sound server..05:03
ions|ubuntuwhere can I find a wav file on a fresh install?05:03
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t35t0rions|ubuntu, you want one?05:05
t35t0ri'll give you windows ding or chime or whatever05:05
ranman/usr/share/sounds <--- check there...05:05
aitrusif you have multiple server layouts in your x config, which one is used by default?05:05
lothariodoes it work05:06
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ions|ubuntuyeah there are wavs there but xmms is just freezing on me and rhythmbox doesn't seem to do anything05:08
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ranmandid you try the play command on one of the waves?05:09
t35t0raitrus, i don't understand your question05:10
alexgStill trying to get something, _anything_ that'll play DVDs.05:10
t35t0raitrus, look at the code in XF86Config05:11
alexgI've found a totem-xine package for amd64, but no libdvdcss.05:11
t35t0raitrus, usually the first server line05:11
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alexgMPlayer compiles, but has almost no video output choices (despite plenty being listed in ./configure output).05:11
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t35t0ralexg, what's your cpu/ram05:12
HrdwrBoBalexg: grab the precompile one from deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main05:12
aitrust35t0r: i have multple ServerLayout sections so that i can disable TwinView when i play fullscreen games and stuff like that... just wondering which would be the default one05:12
joemalexg, install w32 codecs package along with that05:12
HrdwrBoBaitrus: the first one05:12
alexgTo all: As I mentioned, I'm using amd64.05:13
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aitrusthanks t35t0r and HrdwrBoB05:13
ions|ubuntuyeah I tried to play with both rhythmbox and xmms05:13
alexgHrdwrBoB: That won't work.05:13
alexgThat repository is i386 only.05:13
HrdwrBoByou are using ppc or amd64?05:13
alexgFor the third time, amd64.05:13
alexgI've found a totem-xine package, but no libdvdcss.05:13
fragmentHey, my /etc/resolv.conf stopped updating, I think right after I opened and closed the Networking settings app.05:13
bob2ranman: there is no mp3 support in ubuntu at all, correct.05:14
fragmentdhclient seems to be working fine, and actually /etc/resolv.conf updates for my wired interface, but not my wireless.05:14
fragmentAny suggestions?05:14
HrdwrBoBbob2: correct05:14
alexgSo the marillat repository is no good to me.  Compiling Mplayer is fine, but for some reason it doesn't feel like giving me, you know, xv for video out.05:14
ions|ubuntuno mp3 support?  well I guess I won't bother downloading one to test the sound05:14
alexgXVideo is getting loaded when X starts.05:14
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HrdwrBoBso mplayer -vo help doesn't show xv 05:15
t35t0rmplayer is really screwy05:16
bob2ioslipstream: good idea :)05:16
bob2ioslipstream: there's a bunch of wav files on your system already, tho05:16
ioslipstreamwhat's a good idea?05:16
alexgYet strangely, all the video outs I could want are listed in the ./configure output.05:17
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alexgI take that back.05:17
alexgI was looking at the disabled ones.05:17
ioslipstreambob2: did i miss something?05:17
alexgPretty much anything useful in the way of video out is disabled.05:17
fscwell, the install was easy enough...same with ndiswrapper..now on to trying to get some decent fonts05:18
alexgAh.  I think I see why.05:18
alexgIt's not finding X11 libs or headers or anything.05:18
alexgThat I think I can solve.05:18
fscare there any fonts on linux that even come close to cleartype on an XP LCD?05:18
bob2cleartype has nothing to do with what font you use05:19
fscbob2, I know, but i don't care what tech is being used, i care about the look05:20
fscand where is verdana? i searched on synaptic and don't see it on the install fonts05:20
bob2shockingly, verdana is not free05:21
bob2and thus not in ubuntu05:21
bob2you can download it from corefonts.sf.net, and put it in ~/.fonts/, if you like.05:21
fscBob2: ok, thanks for the link05:22
neighborleehas anyone received a 'hal' package warning during apt-get upgrade ..ie: 404 not found ?...or is it safe for now to ignore ? ;-)05:22
ranmanfsc: if you want you can raid your windows partition/box... Got a whole directory of fonts..05:22
fscranman, that's my next step05:23
ranmanI keep a copy on usb hd, for this reason..05:23
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HrdwrBoBneighborlee: apt-get update before apt-get install05:23
fscranman, i'm hoping i can mount ntfs05:23
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neighborleeHrdwrBoB, okaythx05:24
ranmanfsc: yes, you should be able to...05:24
alexgI think I found the packages to install to get it to find Xv.05:24
alexgWe'll see.05:24
ranmanalexg you need the devel packages...05:25
fscfirst time with HAL integration in gnome. love how nautilus popped up once i mounted a fat32 partition05:25
alexgranman: Yep.05:25
alexgThose are the ones I'm grabbing.05:25
HrdwrBoBfsc: yeah, by default nautilus will popup on partition mounts05:26
HrdwrBoBesp cool for things like usb keys05:26
anders_thanks HrdwrBoB, totem is playing dvd's perfectly now05:26
HrdwrBoBplug it in and it pops up05:26
HrdwrBoBanders_: excellent, glad to hear05:26
Safari_Alguys, is there a grub.conf installed in ubuntu?  I can't seem to find it in /boot/grub or /etc05:27
jsubl2Safari_Al, /boot/grub/menu.lst05:27
Safari_Aljsubl2, ah. I just saw it then too.  thanks mate.05:27
HrdwrBoBfabbione: you about?05:29
neighborlee Temporary failure resolving 'ftp.las.ic.unicamp.br' < anyone else getting this ?...it doesn't seem to be a 'busy' indicator as my browser can't see it either ??05:29
HrdwrBoByou mentioned you knew the installer stayed at 0% sometimes, should I file a bug?05:29
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justdaveis there any significance to the installer starting up with a red background when I boot the CD?05:32
justdaveno error message, it's just red.05:32
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lothariowhat should I check if a usb memorystick won't mount??05:33
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lothariodmesg tells me there is an I/O error with sda05:33
lotharioalso cpu runs at 99% with usb-agent process05:34
bob2does it work ok in other machines05:34
lotharioit works on the same machine using a differnt linux flavor05:35
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bonedaddywould creating a root account in ubuntulinux make installing k3b easier for a noob like me?05:36
bonedaddyI followed the howto, no luck05:36
bob2sudo passwd root05:36
joemno need to05:36
bob2but k3b really doesn't need a root account05:36
joemuncomment the universe line in /etc/apt/sources.list05:36
joemand sudo apt-get install k3b05:36
bonedaddyi got that far05:37
bob2"sudo k3b" doesn't work?05:37
bonedaddy just when I try to run k3b setup05:37
bonedaddyI get a long list of erros05:37
joemwhat errors?05:37
bob2you meanm "sudo k3bsetup" doesn't work?05:37
bonedaddyif fails05:38
bonedaddythis is what I did05:38
bonedaddyrememeber noob here05:38
bonedaddyused terminal sudo apt-get install k3b05:38
bonedaddychown/chgrp .ICEauthority05:39
bonedaddysudo k3bsetup05:39
bonedaddywhere am I going wrong?05:39
bonedaddyrunning through the procedure again05:41
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bonedaddyran sudo apt-get install k3b05:41
bonedaddypassword?? user password...seems ok05:41
bonedaddydo you want to continue05:41
bonedaddynow what should I do?05:42
HrdwrBoBrun k3b05:43
bonedaddyas a user?05:43
bonedaddyno sudo?05:43
bonedaddywill do05:43
anders_chmod +x /usr/bin/cdrecord05:43
anders_chmod +s /usr/bin/cdrecord05:43
bonedaddyDCOP communications error05:44
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bonedaddyPlease check that the dcopserver program is running05:44
dragis it possible to get Xorg running (properly) on ubuntu instead of xfree?05:44
bonedaddycould not read network connection list /home/user/.DCOPserver_mahcinename__005:45
HrdwrBoBdrag: simple answer: no05:45
HrdwrBoBdrag: the next release will use Xorg05:45
bonedaddyI clicked OK and k3b loaded!05:45
dragdamn it 05:45
HrdwrBoBwhat's the problem?05:46
bonedaddynow prompted with the cdrecord does not run with root privs05:46
bonedaddyI guess I'll start k3b setup to eliminate this error and burn05:46
dragnew release is due at the beginning of 2005 right?05:47
bonedaddyno go..k3bsetup gives me the DCOP error again05:47
bonedaddyany ideas05:47
HrdwrBoBbonedaddy: k3b should work without root pris05:47
HrdwrBoBdrag: april 2k505:48
bonedaddyyou mean cdrecord?05:48
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HrdwrBoBdrag: however xorg will be integrated sometime between now05:48
HrdwrBoBand then05:48
bonedaddylast question, how do I get rid of the DCOPserver error05:49
bonedaddyit comes up every time I run k3b?05:49
draghmm i do crave the pretty transperancies and shadows :o05:49
anders_bonedaddy: sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/cdrecord to set root privs05:49
amber9unable to log in as root user - the login screen tells me this is not allowed. Anyone know how to get around this? The reason I want to be log in as root is that I want to be able to edit conf files from Gnome - at the moment they are all read only.05:50
joemamber9, use sudo05:50
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soleblazehow do you add an application to the applications menu?05:50
dragsudo is lovely :)05:50
joemright click and add launcher05:50
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bonedaddystill getting the DCOP error, well it's late and I thank you kindly BoB05:51
amber9how do you use sudo within gnome?05:51
HrdwrBoBthat's ok05:51
HrdwrBoBthe dcop error would be from kde05:51
HrdwrBoBit's trying to talk to the rest of kde05:51
dragyou can launch applications as root05:51
fabbionemorning guys05:51
bob2amber9: sudo gedit /etc/blah05:51
bonedaddyso I have to live with it05:51
bob2hey fabbione 05:51
soleblazeoh, why didn't I see that..thanks05:51
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dragamber9, apps>system tools>run as different user05:52
dragor from the terminal with sudo app05:52
bonedaddyso I have to live with it BOB?05:52
amber9drag - thanks05:53
HrdwrBoBunless you want to install a whole lot more of KDE05:53
HrdwrBoBI'm not sure exactly what you'd need - I don't use KDE05:53
bonedaddyI agree, thanks for the help05:54
amber9bob2 - thanks, but that means using a terminal - I want to right click05:55
amber9to drag: the run as different user does not enable to use the Gnome context menus. I still think I need to be able to login as root. Any suggestions...?05:57
HrdwrBoBwhat file do you want to edit?05:58
joemamber9, use sudo..05:58
joemand what do you mean by not being able to use the context menus?05:59
anders_amber9: use context menu open with -> gksudo gedit06:00
dragwhat are you trying to do 06:00
dragyou CAN run as root06:01
dragit's better to learn with sudo though06:01
amber9say I want to edit /etc/fstab by right clicking on it in Gnome, and selecting "edit". The files is loaded into Gedit, but is read only - I cannot save it. I do not want to have to go into a terminal every time and type "sudo gedit /etc/fstab" .06:01
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Micksaamber9: log in as root then :)06:02
Micksachown /etc/fstab to yourself06:02
HrdwrBoBediting fstab is sufficiently advanced that you should use a terminal06:02
subterrificamber9: it's easier to type sudo vi /etc/fstab than navigate to the file in nautilus06:02
dragtry right clicking going to open with and typing sudo gedit06:02
HrdwrBoBwrite up something on06:02
HrdwrBoBsubmit a bug as type enhancement06:02
subterrificHrdwrBoB: no, it's something you can do now06:03
dragsudo passwd root06:03
defendguintseng, you still having a problem with the packages?06:03
amber9the login screen won't allow me to log in as root06:03
dragif you really want to,06:03
dragopen a terminal, type sudo passwd root 06:04
joemHrdwrBoB, vim you mean06:04
dragand change the root password06:04
subterrificsetting a root password and logging in as root to navigate with nautilus to edit a file is not good06:04
subterrificenabling the root account is completely worthless and not a good idea06:04
dragnautilus is the devil06:04
subterrificwhich is why ubuntu disabled it06:04
dragyep but hey if someone wants to do it let them06:04
subterrificdrag: or show them a better way06:05
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khronicI just got done installing ubuntu..I like it.06:05
dragi thought i did06:05
dragyou can right click do open with - sudo gedit06:05
subterrificno you can't06:05
dragor you can open a terminal and do sudo gedit file06:05
subterrificsudo will not work because there is no term06:05
dragi don't know i use the term06:05
q2i got problems06:06
q2with ubuntu06:06
aitrusand grammar!06:06
aitruswhat's up?06:06
dragi need xorg damn it06:06
subterrificamber9: you really should learn to use the terminal for operations like that06:06
q2there are "no" proccesses running in my XFCE session control06:06
q2and "DCOPClient" wont work06:07
subterrificwith tab completion, navigating the file system is a lot faster in the terminal than in any graphical file browser06:07
amber9thanks - I know there are alternatives, but they all bypass the GUI. I want to use the GUI, otherwise I would run without X and use command line all the time. I definately want to find a way around the Ubuntu restriction.06:07
dragwell i told you the method, but it's unsafe and not recommended06:07
subterrificamber9: you can use both06:07
dragso do what you will06:07
HrdwrBoBamber9: that's a silly idea06:07
bob2amber9: it's not aan ubuntu restriction06:07
dragknowing how to use the terminal is very handy06:07
aitrusq2: DCOPClient issues seem to be common as of late06:08
bob2and using a command line for one command, ever, is not the same is "using the command line all the time"06:08
HrdwrBoByou can use a terminal inside a gui06:08
q2/usr/bin/X11/iceauth:  timeout in locking authority file /home/q2/.ICEauthority06:08
q2ICE Connection rejected!06:08
subterrificamber9: drag told you how to do it the best way graphically06:08
q2DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed06:08
q2ICE Connection rejected!06:08
q2DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed06:08
q2DCOPServer self-test failed.06:08
q2iceauth:  timeout in locking authority file /home/q2/.ICEauthority06:08
aitrusq2: check and make sure that your .ICEauthority files isn't owned by root for some reason06:08
bob2q2: please stop pasting06:08
subterrificright click on the file->open with->gksudo gedit06:08
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q2Operation not permitted : /home/q2/.ICEauthority06:09
dragactually i don't think that works heh06:10
dragi just tested it :/06:10
aitrusq2: sudo chown q2.q2 /home/q2/.ICEauthority06:10
q2nothin happend06:11
q2q2@ubuntu:~ $ sudo chown q2.q2 /home/q2/.ICEauthority06:11
q2q2@ubuntu:~ $06:11
dragit shouldn't say anything06:11
q2what did it do?06:12
amber9I am a software developer who is experimenting with Linux, and wish to use a edit/reboot cycle to see what happens with changes to various configuration.  I may need to edit the file hundreds of times. And the whole point to a GUI is that you don't need to type. I still would like someone to tell me how I can log in as root, if anyone knows.06:12
dragls -l ~/.ICEauthority06:12
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dragi'll pm you06:12
normnmilesamber9 how about making a custom launcher?06:12
normnmilesright click on panel and choose custom laucher.  under command type "sudo gedit".  it will prompt you for your password and open gedit with root rights06:13
calcfabbione: did you see my reply earlier, the rebuild works fine as well06:13
calcfabbione: so it must be the loader(?)06:13
fabbionecalc: thanks!06:13
fabbioneno i didn't06:13
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pawsanyone know how to install mpd?06:15
q2ya gonna PM me drag?06:15
pawsmeaning through the synaptic manager?06:15
dragoh no sorry was talking to amber06:15
fabbionecalc: can you open a bug in bugzilla towards xserver-xfree86: module loader broken on amd6406:15
subterrificamber9: the point of a gui is not so you don't need to type. as a software developer, you should fully understand the benefits of using the terminal06:16
calcfabbione: i think it might be related to gcc 3.4 but not certain06:16
fabbionecalc: sevcerity Major please06:16
calci'm not at home right now but i will file it once i get home06:16
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subterrificit is a much more powerful and fast interface for doing certain operations. editing a config file for example06:16
ranmansubterrific: windows developer..06:16
subterrificranman: hehe06:16
subterrificok, lets try this06:17
calcfabbione: i know 4.3 at least used to work on pure64, not sure if it still does since i can't boot its installer right now06:17
q2Anybody besides me having DCOPserver problems?06:17
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q2how do i PM in XChat06:18
HrdwrBoBq2 right click open query06:18
q2right click where?06:19
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HrdwrBoBon the username in the nick list06:19
fastislartbart!!!newbie alert!!!06:20
q2im not really a noob06:21
fastislartbarti'm talking about me06:21
fastislartbart<back in a sec... phone>06:21
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q2ANybody here use XFce4??06:28
oMega505hey guys, hows ubuntu warty support for dell laptops (more specific the 8600)06:29
HrdwrBoBoMega505: it should be in the hardware support wiki06:29
oMega505good, ill check it out06:29
fastislartbartwhile on the laptop question... i just installed warty on my IBM T42p.  everything except wireless and sleep/suspend seems to be working okay, although i haven't yet checked out the ATI FireGL T2 capabilities yet.  Any suggestions?06:33
HrdwrBoBdo you know what wireless card it is?06:33
calcfastislartbart: depending on the wireless card you can probably get it to work with ndiswrapper06:34
calcfastislartbart: the video probably is supported by ati's binary driver06:34
oMega505dell 8500 seems to work pretty well, and my intel wireless card seems to be supported... ill give it a go06:34
merriamamber9: did you see the answer?06:34
HrdwrBoBoMega505: excellent :)06:34
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HrdwrBoBfastislartbart: it should work...06:35
fastislartbarti think it's one of intel's06:35
HrdwrBoBthat would be using the Atheros chipset with the madwifi driver06:35
HrdwrBoBtry modprobe madwifi06:35
fastislartbartresults in 'madwafi not found'06:36
HrdwrBoBmadwifi :)06:36
HrdwrBoBnot madwafi06:36
calcoh iirc intel's is supported by an open driver now06:36
fastislartbartyeah, that's what i meant (and what i typed in the terminal)06:36
HrdwrBoBah ok :)06:37
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HrdwrBoBinstall linux-restricted-modules-
fastislartbartcalc: do i need to update the driver or is it already included in warty?06:38
HrdwrBoBusing either apt-get or synaptic06:38
HrdwrBoBthen you will be able to load the module06:38
HrdwrBoB(you should also add it to /etc/modules06:38
HrdwrBoBthen you can configure the network from the configuration applet06:38
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fastislartbarti'm pretty clueless when it comes to installing new modules... is there a good faq about this?06:39
calcfastislartbart: no idea06:39
calcfastislartbart: mine isn't supported at all :\06:39
calci'm going to end up having to write my own driver06:39
fastislartbartcalc: ugh.06:39
q2Its all fixed06:40
q2every problem06:40
HrdwrBoBfastislartbart: if you installed the restricted packages you'll be able to use madwifi06:40
fastislartbartthe only thing i changed from the default warty install was to upgrade all the installed packages.06:41
fastislartbart(this is my first ever chat session... how do i reply to a single person?)06:41
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bob2just keep it in the channel06:42
HrdwrBoBjust chat and speak in channel06:42
bob2fastislartbart: putting someon'es nick at the front makes it easier to see who you're talking to06:42
fastislartbarti'll figure this out offline... thanks.06:42
HrdwrBoBfastislartbart: ok, computer-> system configuration-> synaptic package manager06:43
HrdwrBoBthen install the package linux-restricted-modules-
fastislartbartworking on it...06:43
fastislartbartnever used synaptic before, but i'm pretty comfortable with apt06:44
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HrdwrBoBwell, you can install it in a terminal with 'sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-'06:44
fastislartbarthow about the suggested packages? namely: lilo linux-doc- linux-source- nvidia-glx06:46
fastislartbartseems ubuntu uses grub, right?06:46
fastislartbartokay, linux-restricted-modules- is installed06:47
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fastislartbartmodprobe madwifi still gives me a FATAL, though.06:48
joemthat isn't the name of the driver is it?06:48
defendguinis there a gui tool for adding a smb share in ubuntu?06:49
fastislartbartjoem: ???06:49
joemisn't it ath_something06:50
calcis there a way to make linux lvm partition not show up in XP06:50
joemath_pci wlan ath_hal06:51
fastislartbartthose are the module names?06:51
joemI believe so06:52
HrdwrBoBthat sounds like a better name06:53
fastislartbart'lsmod | grep <any of those module names>' returns nothing.06:53
joemif they aren't loaded, they won't be there06:53
fastislartbartah.  how do i load modules?06:53
joemsudo modprobe06:53
HrdwrBoBsudo modprobe modulename06:53
fastislartbartah.  okay, they're loaded now.06:55
HrdwrBoBfastislartbart: now make sure that is in /etc/modules06:55
HrdwrBoBso that it loads on boot06:55
fastislartbartwhat is 'it'?06:55
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HrdwrBoBthe module names you just loaded06:56
joemdoes your wifi card work now?06:56
joemare you using wired/another box at the moment?06:56
fastislartbarti'm using wired right now.06:56
HrdwrBoByou should be able to configure it using computer-> system config-> networking06:57
fastislartbart'cat /etc/modules' give me this list: psmouse mousedev ide-cd ide-generic lp06:57
fastislartbartdoes that sound right?06:57
HrdwrBoBif you edit that and add ath_pci, wlan  and ath_hal06:58
fastislartbartnow that those modules are loaded, the wireless card should be working now.  will it switch over automagically if i unplug my cat45?06:58
joemcat45, damn06:59
fastislartbartso do i have to automanually switch over to wireless?07:01
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HrdwrBoBfastislartbart: as I said, you can configure it using  computer-> system07:02
HrdwrBoB                  config-> networking07:02
fastislartbartah... didn't catch that.  my chatiquette is still in its infancy.07:02
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toyowheelinyou use pptp?07:16
toyowheelinoh anyone else maybe?07:17
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toyowheelinwow its dead in here07:37
neighborleewho do I talk to about getting certain applications out of universe ?07:37
HrdwrBoBneighborlee: you just ask07:38
neighborleein here ?07:39
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neighborleeI'd like to propose that 'dopewars' be removed07:39
toyowheelinwhat is it07:39
HrdwrBoBoh, out out07:39
neighborleestreets of New York, the aim being first to pay off your07:39
neighborleedebt to the loan shark and then to make a fortune. And if you have to shoot07:39
neighborleea few cops in the process, well.07:39
neighborleeexcerpt from synaptic07:40
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HrdwrBoBit's a game07:40
neighborleeHrdwrBoB, out out as in you wish to have it removed?07:41
hartbrkrhey i remember that game from like 10 years ago07:41
neighborleeHrdwrBoB, it also glorifies shooting cops and I think ( since my uncle was a cop  and a damn good one ) thats wrong message to send 'anyone'07:41
hartbrkri was the meanest toughest dope dealer in all of new york, and nobody messed with me07:41
HrdwrBoBneighborlee: I'd take that up with debian first07:42
neighborleeokay.package maintainer ?07:42
toyowheelinneighborlee, its a GAME...07:42
HrdwrBoBwould be a good start07:42
neighborleetoyowheelin, irrelevant07:42
neighborleeokay will do07:42
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solemanhow do you add a program to the applications list/07:45
joemright click add to menu07:46
solemanok i see it07:46
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eventidei how would i go about installing wireless?  I'm new to linux, and forgot to turn the card on while i was installing ubuntu :-x07:53
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neighborleeeventide, well in case others are sleeping..if its as good as some of the usb mass storage support just plug it in and it might do it for you ( project-utopia)07:55
HrdwrBoBeventide: what card is it?07:55
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eventidewell, its an internal card, it just has a switch on the front of my laptop, give me a sec to run to the manufacturer's website and I'll get the card name07:56
joemis the applications/computer menu a patch to gnome panel, and If so where could I find it07:56
joemI checked the patch repo, didn't see anything there07:56
HrdwrBoBjoem: all the sources are in the repository07:56
RuffianSoldierhey all07:56
HrdwrBoBapt-get source gnome-panel07:57
HrdwrBoBRuffianSoldier: is english your native language?07:57
merriamneighborlee: so should all those chess programs be removed too?07:57
RuffianSoldierEnglish is my native language07:58
RuffianSoldieri am from ohio, and alot of my family is German07:58
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eventideThe only thing i can find on the manufacturer's website is that it is:            (Optional) 802.11b Wi-Fi LAN Module07:59
eventidethose are the specs08:00
merriamthis is a serious distribution.  no games...08:00
HrdwrBoBis not in the distribution08:01
neighborleemerriam, course you realized I was j/k08:01
merriammany people really think that way08:02
calceventide: run lspci08:02
calceventide: then tell me which card it is08:02
merriami'd have picked chess first.  racist, genocidal...  and my uncle was a queen...08:03
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HrdwrBoBmerriam: was he also black?08:04
merriamyeah.  why does whitey always get the first move?08:04
eventideI don't think it is recognizing it; I see nothing about a wireless card but it does display this (its a miniPCI card):0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] : Unknown device 000308:04
calchmm i didn't know SiS made wireless chipsets08:06
ranmanwireless monitor...08:07
ranmanon his laptop..08:07
calclooks like it might be a sis160/16208:07
eventideshould I send everything lspci displays?08:08
calceventide: no that should be enough08:08
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calceventide: well /msg me the entire lspci output just to be certain08:09
eventideSorry about the trouble, this is my first time using linux08:09
fragmentBest place to set JAVA_HOME systemwide?08:09
eventideget the msg?08:10
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calchis laptop didn't list a wifi pci card at all, very odd08:13
calcthe sis thing was just the pci bridge08:13
fragmentNo takers?  OK, BRB...08:13
RuffianSoldierILL TAKE!08:14
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calcerm when did CSS get patented?08:15
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HrdwrBoBit's not patented, it's encumbered08:15
calcit says its patented on the page, haha08:15
calcits not even encumbered anymore iirc08:15
calcistr they lost their lawsuit08:15
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HrdwrBoByes it is08:15
calcit was a trade secret which is no longer08:15
HrdwrBoByeah, that's fine except in the US08:16
ranmancalc: i found a thread in german talking about this problem.. seems he updated his bios and it went away...08:16
HrdwrBoBwhere you get all kinds of DMCA whooparse08:16
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calcanyone know what driver is used for 802.11b prism devices in regular kernel?08:25
calcor is it not supported in the kernel itself?08:25
calci had him flood himself off by accident08:27
HrdwrBoBwhoops :)08:27
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ranmancalc: http://prism54.org/supported_cards.php08:28
calcranman: i meant for the prism1/2/2.5/3 chips08:29
calcprism54 seems to just do the new ones08:29
calcfor 2.4 it appears to be linux-wlan-ng-*08:30
calcbut for 2.6 not sure what does it08:30
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calcranman: yea for usb08:31
HrdwrBoBcan someone have a look at that and tell me what they think08:32
ranmanhmm, I was going to send you a link, but then you had to say the 2.6 word...08:33
ranmanhost-ap for prism 2/2.5/3 http://hostap.epitest.fi/08:35
calcranman: yea it appears ubuntu uses 2.6 and that 2.6 doesn't have the prism 1/2/2.5 drivers and linux-wlan-ng is only avail for 2.408:36
calcvery odd08:36
ranmanalso checkout http://www.linux-wlan.com/linux-wlan/index.html08:37
calcyea looking there already08:38
ranmanhmmm, That is why took me so long to switch to 2.6... Only reason I switched now, was because of hald...08:38
HrdwrBoBapparently support is there08:39
HrdwrBoBbut you need firmware from Prism54.org08:39
ranmanunder 2.6 my video is screwed... mach64 should be buried with that hydrogen bomb off of Georgia..08:40
calcdid c-a-backspace get unmapped in ubuntu?08:45
calceventide hit it and it didn't kill gnome for him08:45
HrdwrBoBcalc: not afaik08:45
HrdwrBoBthough gdm will automatically restart08:45
calcheh i think it worked he is no longer on irc now08:46
HrdwrBoBI'm also not about to test given that I'm in the middle of working :P08:46
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eventidestill no touchpad08:48
ranmaneventide, do you have gpm running?08:48
calcranman: does gpm even come with ubuntu?08:50
ranmanI would hope so, since you must have that running to have touchpad...08:50
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calcranman: er what?08:51
calcranman: he is talking about touchpad not working in gnome, no need for gpm for that08:51
ranmanafaik, you must have gpm configured and running for the X touchpad driver to work..08:51
ranmanI have no problems with my touchpad..08:52
calchmm that is strange08:53
calctouchpad on my laptop works fine without it08:53
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HrdwrBoBI have to say08:53
HrdwrBoBI hate the ubuntu website :)08:53
HrdwrBoBalso the whole wiki+website schmozzle is kind crappy08:53
HrdwrBoBah well08:54
opi^workI'll play with Ubuntu-PL design today at home08:54
ranmanor Kernels >= 2.6 also you need the psmouse driver loaded in order to correctly use a Synaptics Touchpad. <-- http://tuxmobil.org/touchpad_driver.html08:55
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calcranman: he loaded psmouse and restarted xfree (via c-a-b) and it still didn't see it :\08:59
RuffianSoldieris there a powerPC live CD?08:59
calcbut it seems others have had similar issues with the laptop as well08:59
calche found a thread about someone else not being able to get it to work08:59
RuffianSoldierIs there a Linux Live CD for a Power PC platform?08:59
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hartbrkrI just installed ubuntu, and i don't recall it asking me to set a root password, just a new username and password. how can I change the root password?09:31
t35t0rif you are root09:34
t35t0ror passwd root09:34
fabbionehartbrkr: sudo passwd09:34
fabbionehartbrkr: the default user has full sudo access09:34
hartbrkrah ok, so does that mean that the root password is set to something random?09:34
fabbionehartbrkr: kinda yes09:35
hartbrkrso as my regular user can I just do "sudo passwd root" and change the root password?09:35
fabbionehartbrkr: correct09:36
hartbrkrcool, thanks09:36
fabbionebut there is no need to have a root passwd09:36
fabbionesince you have sudo :-)09:36
t35t0rsometimes it helps to be in a root shell09:37
joemheh, everybody seems to think they are getting the shaft by not having a root password09:37
t35t0rso in ubuntu i can't su - ?09:37
fabbionet35t0r: what's the difference in sudo su - and su - ?09:37
opi^workt35t0r: try sudo /bin/bash ;p09:37
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zakilihi to all09:38
t35t0rso i can't ssh root@localhost ?09:38
zakiliis there somebody from YU?09:38
joemssh user@localhost sudo su -09:39
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t35t0rwell that's not a problem i can just get a knoppix cd or something mount the partition and do whatever09:40
zakilii enable root account with #sudo passwd root09:40
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zakiliis it dangerous?09:40
joemzakili, were talking about why root isn't needed because user has full sudo privs09:40
joem ssh -t user@localhost sudo su - I mean09:41
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zakiliit's easy to me to have root account..log in...do stuff..log out09:46
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joemdunno, sudo is pretty easy09:47
jordizakili: sudo passwd root I guess09:47
zakiliwhere i can find some tutorial about wiki? It's preaty complicate to me :) 09:53
jordithere should be some help link around the wiki09:53
zakilii find it..thanks09:54
zakiliis there some ubuntu community forum09:54
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LathiatIs there are in progress Xorg package stuff available?09:55
joemxorg will be in the hoary release09:55
fabbioneLathiat: i am working on them09:55
joemfaq on the site09:55
fabbioneLathiat: pre-release packages are expected arounf mid/end novemeber09:56
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Lathiatfabbione: ah okie09:57
Lathiatfabbione: nothing at the moment then, even ones thatl break my system and if i bitch about it youll hang me? :)09:57
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fabbioneLathiat: i onjly have one binary package ready that will mostlikely uninstall all xfree86 and provides the build-tools for xorg09:58
fabbioneLathiat: so basically no09:59
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Lathiatrightio :)09:59
Lathiatooh blam is funky09:59
fabbioneLathiat: i am doing these packages in my spare time since we are still focusing on Warty release10:00
Lathiatfabbione: :)10:00
LathiatJust curious10:00
fabbioneLathiat: and my spare time = when i can't sleep at night because i suffer of insomnia10:00
Lathiatmani cant wait till my exams are over10:00
fabbionethat doesn't really make them "high" quality10:00
Lathiatbe able to get back into getting involved with some stuff10:00
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Treenaksfabbione: is there a final date for release yet?10:01
calcprobably before debian sarge ;)10:01
Treenakscalc: you say that like it's a hard thing to accomplish :P10:02
calcTreenaks: not hard when the main debian developers are also ubuntu people... ;)10:02
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Lathiat(@ before sarge)10:03
Lathiatmaybe perky penguin will be out before sarge? :>10:03
TerminXworst.  release names.  ever.10:03
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Lathiati like perky penguin :)10:04
Lathiatwarty is cool10:04
Lathiathoary wont be as cool10:04
TerminXthey should call it.. uhh.. warhammer!10:04
TerminXinstead of warty10:04
calchoary whore?10:04
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arturazwhy ubuntu doesn't have mp3 support by default?10:16
|trey|arturaz: activate universe and install gstreamer0.8-mad10:17
phosphorgreenit violates the GPL10:18
|trey|arturaz: its because of patent issues10:18
|trey|phosphorgreen: no, not at all.10:18
arturazsomeone should add this to faq :)10:18
|trey|arturaz: umm, its a new thing... just happened yesturday I think...10:18
|trey|first installs didn't have it in universe10:19
arturazi was thinking about joining your team10:19
Lathiathmm got nautilus stuck in a drag and drop it refused to stop10:19
Lathiatnever seen that before10:19
arturazi have pretty good expierence in debian, packaging and linux overall10:19
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arturazat start - we should backport xchat from experimental to main10:20
arturazi guess you should find someone to be responsible for that package, shouldn't you?10:20
|trey|arturaz: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/maintainers10:20
|trey|arturaz: it will go into main for hoary more then likely... 2.4 isn't that different from 2.0 though... just a bug fix release apparently... even says on their site the version jump is for no apparent reason...10:21
arturaznew userlist and theme are worth it ;)10:22
|trey|arturaz: not at all... would delay a release...10:23
|trey|arturaz: if it makes it into sid before November, it will be in Hoary...10:23
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|trey|XChat is hardly a release critical application  :/10:24
arturazif it ain't buggy - why we should delay it?10:25
Mithrandir|trey|: everything in the seed lists is release critical.10:25
|trey|arturaz: but it is buggy, else it wouldn't be in experimental10:25
Lathiatwhy hasnt it transitioned to sid?10:25
Lathiatlet alone testing :)10:25
Lathiator have they frozen testing now?10:26
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|trey|Mithrandir: Not entirely what you mean by "seed list"  :(10:26
arturazPackage: xchat; Severity: minor; Reported by: Yves Junqueira <junqueira@brturbo.com>; Tags: sid, upstream; 1 year and 95 days old.10:26
arturazi like how bugs are getting fixed :))10:26
Mithrandir|trey|: the lists on the wiki that decide what makes up main10:26
Mithrandir|trey|: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fBaseSeed http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fInstallerSeed and so on10:27
XyverzI didn't notice that the installer would let me set up RAID....10:27
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|trey|Mithrandir: ahh, thats a lot of stuff that are release critical  :)10:28
|trey|Mithrandir: still don't see XChat though  ;)10:28
Mithrandir|trey|: should be on DesktopSeed, I'd imagine10:29
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TreenaksXyverz: I _think_ you can choose to make it RAID in the partitioner10:31
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XyverzTreenaks: yeh, I've got that going, but it hasn't asked me about the volume, etc.10:32
|trey|Mithrandir: nope  8)10:32
Xyverzso we'll see.10:33
Mithrandir|trey|: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fDesktopSeed has it.10:33
Mithrandir|trey|: under "Other Desktop GUI Apps"10:33
|trey|Mithrandir: ahh, missed it... craziness... such an insignificant app can delay release  :(10:34
|trey|Especially when GAIM has simular functionality  :/10:35
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|trey|Mithrandir: anyone proposed gdebconf? haven't used it, but surely if it allows users to click options that are asked (as I would suspect) it should be considered?10:38
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=== |trey| thinks desktop distro's are for mice, and should have features to allow this :)
|trey|As little ncurses as possible is a Good Thing (tm) for a desktop distro  :)10:39
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sapHello, just a quick question. I tried to install ubuntu earlier and at the point of trying to install grub in boot sector i got the following 'Unable to install GRUB in (hd0).'10:40
sapi'm not too bothered since i alway have lilo installed and can boot into ubuntu using that (probably:))10:41
ranmanmaybe a manual install of grub is in order...10:41
sapjust wanted to see whether it was a bug and whether i should report it10:41
Xyverzsap: for the grub-install?10:41
ranmanif is really is hd0, I would say that it is a bug..10:41
ranmanshould be hda..10:41
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Mithrandir|trey|: we'll be looking at gnome-debconf for hoary10:42
sapyep, it was followed by this "Executing 'grub-install (hd0)' failed"10:42
sapThis is a fatal error10:43
XyverzI totally wish ubuntu gave me a choice of keymaps during installation.  having to actually look at my keyboard to type in qwerty is friggin' ANNOYING.10:43
|trey|Mithrandir: how does that differ?10:43
Xyverzsap: install manually.  10:43
|trey|Mithrandir: only seen gdebconf... it was in Sid last I checked...10:43
Mithrandir|trey|: we're probably talking about the same thing :)10:44
|trey|Mithrandir: I think so too... know of anywhere to see it in action?  :)10:44
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Mithrandir|trey|: dpkg-reconfigure debconf and select it there.10:45
|trey|Mithrandir: plus install libgnome2-perl  :)10:47
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|trey|I thought that thing died?10:48
=== |trey| waits till next upgrade to take a look at the gnome debconf interface :)
opi^work|trey|: hit it with a stick and see if it's move ;)10:54
|trey|opi^work: hah... stupid lpr, its ancient  :(10:55
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|trey|Backwards compatibility is the worst thing to ever happen in the computer world, holds back technologies  :(10:56
plovs_work|trey|, welcome to the real world10:56
|trey|plovs_work: the real world sucks ass  [angryface] 10:56
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|trey|rburton: Hey Ross... it must be cool for strangers to know your name  8)10:57
wu_minghi does usb2 too automatically work ?10:58
ranmanYes, backwards compatibility is bad.. You should have to delete all of your former configuration between gnome versions...10:58
rburton|trey|: i get it everywhere i go ;)10:58
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|trey|rburton: grr... I just noticed its part of your hostmask... now I don't look so cool, so imma go back to talking to hot chicks  8)10:59
|trey|Congrats on the marriage though  :)10:59
|trey|(kinda belated, but yeah)10:59
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wu_minghow do i run a hardware browser?11:39
wu_minglike to browse hardware/devices esp usb devices11:39
pdamocare there any open source ubuntu book11:39
joemits pretty new11:40
joemI'd wait a bit for a book11:40
pdamoc:D well.. actually I was refering to the philosophy11:41
pdamoclike "No Future Without Forgiveness" by Tutu... I would like to see that as an open source book 11:41
pdamocor "Reconciliation: The Ubuntu Theology of Desmond Tutu" by Battle11:42
wu_minghow do i browse my hardware, anyone know?11:44
joemyou can install hal-device-manager11:45
wu_mingok thanks11:45
wu_mingso gnome 2.8 doesnt have any device manager by default?? thats wierd11:45
Treenakswu_ming: why is that weird?11:46
wu_mingwell kde has one11:46
ranmanwu_ming: Yes, it has... 11:46
joemdevice managers aren't really useful11:47
Treenakswu_ming: the fact that KDE has something doesn't make it weird that gnome doesn't...11:47
joemnot the same way they are on windows11:47
joemyou cant install drivers via the menus or do anything but look11:47
wu_mingi need to mount a usb11:47
Treenakswu_ming: just plug it in..11:47
joemyou don't need a device manager for that11:47
wu_mingdoesnt detect it 11:47
Treenakswu_ming: it should appear on the desktop11:47
Lathiatwu_ming: If your using ubuntu and just plug it in it should just work11:47
Lathiatwu_ming: a usb what?11:47
wu_mingfor usb2 as well11:47
wu_mingusb 1 works well11:47
wu_mingbut not usb211:47
LathiatThere should be no difference11:48
Lathiatunless they are different ports11:48
wu_mingusb mass storage device11:48
wu_mingwhat ports?11:48
Treenakswu_ming: harddisk? card reader?11:48
wu_mingdont know anything about ports11:48
wu_minghardisk - 4gb11:48
Lathiatwu_ming: ports as in the thing you plug the usb device into11:48
Lathiatrectnagular, metal, on the side of your computer/laptop?11:48
wu_mingdont know, motherboard said i got 4 usb2 devices11:48
wu_mingso i just plug into any 11:48
Lathiatand it doesnt work?11:49
Treenakswu_ming: usb1 and usb2 are completely interchangeable11:49
azeemwu_ming: is hald running?11:49
Lathiatazeem: run this: ps aux|grep hal 11:49
Lathiatand paste?11:49
mkyc-ubuntusigh.. anyone else subscribed to the mailing list thinking about unsubing ?11:49
wu_mingyeah hal is runnign11:50
wu_minghal       3780  0.0  1.3  5744 4492 ?        Ss   05:33   0:00 /usr/sbin/hald --drop-privileges11:50
Lathiatwu_ming: dmesg |tail and paste to me in a privmsg?11:50
joemmkyc-ubuntu, already did11:50
joemtraffic was to much11:50
mkyc-ubuntu315 messages a day is ridiculous11:50
Lathiatand lsusb as well (while its plugged in)11:50
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Lathiatmkyc-ubuntu: obviously havent subscribed to the php mailing list then11:50
crimsunheh, no kidding11:51
Lathiata couple years ago it was like 500+ messages a day11:51
wu_minghow to private msg11:51
crimsun315 is a healthy flow but nothing overkill11:51
mkyc-ubuntuLathiat, no but i would unsub from anything that was >20011:51
Lathiatwu_ming: /query lathiat and paste in that window11:51
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tof--is realplayer 10 plugin works with firefox 1.0 ??11:56
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joemanybody know if I can pass a location as root instead of a device in grub12:02
joemlike if I did:12:02
joemroot(hd0,2) kernel /boot/blah root=/somedir12:02
Lathiatyou mean like a subdirectory of a partition?12:03
joemso it will use that dir as the / dir12:03
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LathiatYou can't really do that directly12:05
joemis there a way to do it via the bootloader12:05
Lathiatnot really, you could probably do it as part of an initrd12:06
Lathiatand chroot12:06
joemarg, that is more then I want to look up at the moment12:06
Lathiator possibly pivot_root12:06
LathiatWhat are you trying to do?12:06
Lathiatmulti-boot a system?12:06
joemdo some testing with another distro without creating other partitions12:07
Lathiatyou could do it with a usermodelinux virtual machine perhaps?12:07
emkLathiat: you can do that directly... pivot root12:07
Lathiator vmware12:07
joempivot root eh?12:07
Lathiatemk: yeh but wouldnt you need to hack up an initrd to do it?12:07
Lathiatchroot or pivot_rooted12:08
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johHello, after my ubuntu system has been running for a while, hald suddenly uses cpu a lot in small heartbeeps, making the system lag a lot. Anyone experienced the same problem?12:16
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ranmanjoh: nope.12:17
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Lathiatjoh: do you know what strace is?12:24
Lathiatif you could possibly figure out what its doing and file a bug it woudl be good12:25
johLathiat: ok, I'll try.12:25
LathiatI've never seen that problem12:26
Lathiatdo you have any "exotic" hardware?12:26
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johLathiat: I don't think so.. :P nforce2 is considered "exotic" I presume... :P12:28
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leonvHowdey, I am getting the following in gnome, Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found. I am on an AMD64 using a VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 onboard card12:45
Darknitegood one since this is about the config I will have come this weekend12:46
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iainmI'm currently running debian sid, but I've decided to jump across to ubuntu. I think this is a good time to clean up my home directory, so I'm saving what I need (or otherwise want to keep) and clobbering the rest. How do I get my evolution data across?12:55
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iainmI suspect I might be okay with just copying ~/.evolution12:55
iainmcan anyone confirm that that works or otherwise?12:55
hazmatiainm, i don't know that evolution 1.4 -> 2.0 works at all12:57
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joemit should work12:57
togsi've installed apache with what I believe are the appropiate PHP packages, yet firefox doesn't display the index.php page, it pops up with an open file dialog. any ideas?12:58
joemit should transfer settings on first run12:58
z4k4ri4togs: I just did that12:58
z4k4ri4edit /etc/apache/httpd.conf12:58
z4k4ri4find the thing about Add Handler12:59
z4k4ri4just do a search on php12:59
z4k4ri4and uncomment it12:59
togsthe only line in hpptd.conf is about backwards compatibility01:00
togsi got apache2, i think01:00
iainmhazmat, I'm using 2.0 now.01:02
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z4k4ri4Oops, I still use apache 101:05
pittisivang: could you recover your system?01:07
pittisivang: did you find out why dpkg breaked?01:07
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sivangpitti : Not yet ;( have been busy with a SCSI server I am trying to build, do you know anything aboud it?01:08
pittisivang: no, sorry01:08
joempitti, do you do hal/gvm stuff?01:11
pittijoem: yes, I do01:11
joemhave a minute or so to help me trouble shoot?01:11
pittijoem: of course :-)01:11
joemI don't have any portable media to test with, so all I have is cdroms01:12
joembut gvm doesn't seem to mount them01:12
joemand when I do mount them, I don't get any of the proper icons, just the grey hardisk one01:13
joemseems like something is up with hal01:13
sivangpitti : anyway, I will try mouting the XFS / partition see if I can grab any log from there for the dpkg segfault01:13
pittijoem: hmm. Can you please do "pidof gnome-volume-manager" and see whether it outputs anything?01:13
joemyea it gives the pid01:13
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pittijoem: okay, then it's running. is your CD-ROM in /etc/fstab?01:14
pittijoem: internal CD-ROMs should be set up automatically during installation01:14
pittijoem: or is this a hotpluggable USB CD-ROM?01:14
joemit is internal01:15
joemand it is in fstab01:15
pittijoem: hmm, that's odd. Did you modify anything in fstab?01:15
pittijoem: can you see the cd-rom in "Disks"?01:15
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pittijoem: ah, I've got an idea. Can you please /msg me the contents of /etc/fstab (only the CD-ROM lines)01:16
Iorekoy people. Somebody know how you default the Num Lock to On?01:17
hypn0dont u have a bios option01:18
Treenakshypn0: the kernel turns it off on boot01:18
goatboyIorek: sudo apt-get install numlockx01:18
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Iorekoh, and is it normal that a USB stick refuses to get unmounted when nautilus is running?01:22
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Iorekseems rather odd, because when when you go to computer:/// in nautilus and rightclick a drive it offers the option "unmount", but it can't unmount because if nautilus is runing the device is still running...01:24
Iorekbit of a catch-22 there01:24
sivanganybody have a couple of remaining gmail invites?01:27
sivangi need one01:28
Iorekbut if I spread them around to unknowns, they'll SPAM me01:28
Iorek*totally paranoid*01:28
sivangIorek : well, I don't intend to spam you - I need for my brother who's starting univ, and need a couple of megs for students notifications, mailing listst etc. I _PROMISE_ never to spam you.01:29
sivangIorek : I can give you mine, so you could spam me back if I do the same to you ;)01:29
joebeastiei doubt it. probably a hold out for all of your pr0n01:29
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Ioreksivang msg me his address01:30
Iorekunless you really want it spammed, then you can just post it inhere ;)01:30
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iainmsivang, ispool.net01:31
iainmum. That's not what I meant.01:31
iainmisnoop.net, I think01:31
iainmthey have a gmail invite spooler.01:31
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nothing23d'oh sorry01:36
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togshow do you restart the apache service?01:43
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zenwhenI find it odd that Ubutu wont boot from my existing lilo install.01:46
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togsI can't find the apache restart command, anybody know where it is?01:51
Treenakstogs: sudo invoke-rc.d apache restart 01:51
Treenaks(replace apache by apache2 if you're running apache2)01:51
togsone sec, ill try that01:51
Treenaksinvoke-rc.d is your friend :)01:52
togsyou use the same command to restart most services, swapping out apache?01:52
zenwhenDoes anyone have any idea why Ubuntu wont boot from my existing lilo install like every other distro i have tried out omn my testing partition?01:53
togsstill can't get it to display my index.php page, it comes up with the open file dialog01:54
zenwhenI Put its kernel in my /boot, and pointed it to the correct root partition, but for some reason the kernel looks for 3,201:54
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Treenakszenwhen: you forgot the initrd?01:54
zenwhenit requiers one?01:55
Treenaksuh, yes?01:55
zenwhenI havent dealt with a distro like that for a while.01:55
zenwhenSeems smartest to me to have filseystem and storage device drivers in the kernel so as not to need one01:55
Treenaksonly when you compile your own kernels..01:56
togsi've got php installed up to the eyeballs, just restarted apache2, but it still doesn't display01:56
Treenaksbecause otherwise you'll have 16M of cruft in your kernel01:56
Treenakstogs: learn perl then..01:56
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togswhats different about the packages with the ubuntu symbol next to them?01:59
Treenakstogs: context01:59
spivtogs: In synaptic?01:59
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togsyes spiv02:00
spivThey're supported packages.02:00
spivAs opposed to packages from e.g. universe.02:00
togsi see02:01
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togsbuggered if I know wfat, but I'm getting a debugger message now, better then the open file :)02:09
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togsyeah, it working now :)02:11
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lotharioAfter 5 days I really dig ubuntu, but it won't do for me if I can't mount usb stick drive ;02:22
lothariowhy does my cpu jump to 99% when I plug the stick drive into usb??02:24
Ioreklothario try updating the packages02:28
Iorekdidn't work for me either02:28
Iorekuntil I did that02:28
Iorek(or maybe just updating "hotplug" should do it too :P)02:28
Iorekit's working now02:29
TreenaksIorek: try running "dmesg" when you plug it in02:29
Treenaksow wait02:29
Treenaksti's working :)02:29
Iorekyes. 'tis now :)02:29
lothariodmesg tells me there's an I/O error02:29
lotharioamong other stuff02:29
Treenakslothario: have you tried booting with acpi=off, pci=noacpi, noapic and/or nolapic kernel options?02:30
lotharioTreenaks: I've tried none of the above, I don't know how to set such variables ;(02:31
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Treenakslothario: reboot, press ESC to open the bootloader menu, press "e" to edit, and add these options02:32
Treenaks(to the line that already has root= etc. on it)02:32
Treenaksthen press "b" to boot02:32
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lotharioTreenaks: should I do all four options at one time, or should I try one at a time?02:34
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Treenakslothario: try all four first, then remove one at a time, until it breaks again, then try with only the option that -- if removed -- "breaks" it02:34
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Treenakslothario: or, try one at a time, and if one doesn't work, try combinations02:35
Treenakslothario: and work up02:35
lotharioTreenaks: thanks, time to reboot.02:36
Treenakslothario: good luck02:36
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lotharioTreenaks: I'm at the edit screen in bootloader, I don't know where to enter those options you suggested..02:42
lotharioI see five lines root,  kernel,  initrd,  savedefault,  and  boot start each line02:43
Treenakslothario: go to the "kernel" line (which also has "root=" in it somehwere I guess)02:44
Treenakslothario: then press "e" to edit the line (there's help at the bottom of the screen)02:44
Treenakslothario: then add the options to the line, press ENTER to finalize, then press "b" to boot it02:44
lotharioany punctuation between the options??02:45
Treenaksa space.. just like the options that are already there02:45
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Treenaksso you add "acpi=off noapic nolapic pci=noacpi" (if you do acpi=off, pci=noacpi is automatically on as well, for obvious reasons)02:46
Treenakszenwhen: odd?02:46
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lotharioTreenaks: thanks02:46
zenwhencouldnt get ubuntu to use my tried and tru x config02:46
zenwhenSaid it couldnt find the devices02:47
zenwhenthough I have them and have always had them corrct in my xorg.conf. 02:47
Treenakszenwhen: let dpkg-reconfigure sort it out..02:47
silvais there a workarround to allow me to add search engines to the firefox search box02:47
zenwhenwhat does dpkg-reconfigure do?02:47
silvazenwhen: make sure nvidia is listed in /etc/modules02:48
Treenakszenwhen: it can create a new X config file for you02:48
zenwhenI wonder why this one doesnt work02:48
zenwhenIts worked in a few other distros as well.02:48
zenwhenI dont so much want a new one as I want this exact setup.02:49
goatboyzenwhen: ubuntu uses XF86Config-4, not xorg.conf.02:49
zenwhenOh I know02:49
zenwhenI put this file in /etc/X11 and renamed it as such02:49
sivangpitti : still around?02:50
Treenakszenwhen: have you read /var/log/XFree86.0.log to see why it fails?02:50
pittisivang: of course!02:50
zenwhendevices not found02:50
Treenakszenwhen: before that02:50
pittisivang: just waiting for two packages to get built02:50
zenwhenno, I havent02:50
zenwhenI figured said error was self explainatory02:50
sivangpitti : ok, let's see what happend to my dead warty02:51
Treenakszenwhen: read from top to bottom.. devices not found is usually a result of something else going wrong02:51
sivangpitti : i will try now to mount the XFS parts from here (debian sid)02:51
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sivangpitti : I have to load the XFS Module into the sid system...02:53
sivangpitti : where would I find any logs for dpkg breaking up? 02:55
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azeemsivang: dpkg does not keep logs, AFAIK02:56
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sivangazeem : oouch ;)02:57
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sivangpitti : any idea why I can't log anymore? seems like system paths have changed or somethng.02:59
sivangpitti : I couldn't even ALT+CTRL+DEL "cannot find /sbin/shutdown"03:00
pittisivang: a $PATH problem?03:00
lothariostill no luck with usb hotplug ;/03:00
pittisivang: forget it, it already contains the patg03:00
pittilothario: your usb device is not mounted?03:01
sivangpitti : what?03:01
sivangpitti : I don't know where to start investigating this problem...03:01
lothariopitti: no, Treenaks had me add some options to bootloader03:01
pittilothario: what does the Device Manager say? (package hal-device-manager)03:01
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sivangpitti : I'd hate reinstalling again..03:01
pittisivang: can you chroot to the ubuntu partition?03:02
sivangpitti : yes, sec.03:02
lothariodmesg says something about usb 2.2-2, my system is usb 1.1 - could this be part of problem??03:02
sivangpitti : chroot /mnt/ubuntu003:02
sivangpitti ?03:02
pittisivang: does it work?03:03
pittilothario: I doubt it, 2.2-2 just looks like a package version number03:03
sivangpitti : chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Permission denied03:03
azeemperhaps you have messed with the umask?03:03
Kamionalso check that the partition is not mounted noexec03:04
pittisivang: ls -l /bin/bash03:04
lothariopitti: where is Device Manager?03:04
pittisivang: just install the package "hal-device-manager"03:04
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sivangpitti : -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 604108 2004-09-27 23:09 /mnt/ubuntu0/bin/bash03:05
sivangpitti : I can't03:06
sivangpitti : I can even log into the syste.03:06
sivangpitti : I can't chroot03:06
sivangpitti : all I did was aptitude update/upgrade.03:06
pittisivang: without being chrooted, can you execute /mnt/ubuntu0/bin/bash?03:07
sivangpitti : bash: /mnt/ubuntu0/bin/bash: Permission denied03:07
Kamionsivang: I bet that filesystem is mounted noexec.03:08
pittisivang: 'mount' -> what does it say?03:08
sivangKamion : how do you 03:09
enkihey is there a howto on how to  make an initrd img for ubuntu?03:09
pittiKamion: XFS has additional attributes, right? Maybe some ACLs are corrupted?03:09
enkibecause i want to compile a new kernel03:09
sivangKamion : hit bullseye everytime ? ;-_03:09
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offrayHi all03:10
sivangpitti : kamion's right03:10
offraycan somebody post a line with the ubuntu repositories?03:10
pittisivang: ugh, trivial solution...03:10
Kamionsivang: bitter experience :)03:10
pittioffray: what do you mean?03:10
offrayI have tried them to install plone2 and seem the most apropiate03:10
Kamionoffray: deb http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu warty main restricted03:10
Kamionoffray: add 'universe' if you like03:10
offraypitti: a line of your sources.lits wher...03:10
offraythanks Kamion :)03:10
lothariopitti: must system reboot after installing hal-device-manager??03:12
pittilothario: no, actually you do not even need to relogin03:12
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pittilothario: it should instantly appear in the Computer meu03:13
pittilothario: menu, that is03:13
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lothariopitti: I'm using fluxbox, better switch over to gnome03:13
offrayI have probed ubuntu in varios machines. If I go with defaults things seems nice, but when I tried In my home I got a prompt shell without graphical screen :-(03:13
offrayI dont know if this is related with nvidia03:13
pittilothario: you can start 'hal-device-manager' in a shell, if you want03:14
sivangpitti : chrooted. what's next?03:14
pittisivang: I thought that was it? Well, check /etc/fstab03:15
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sivangpitti : ok, maybe the noexec option is propogated thyere?03:15
pittisivang: if you can do stuff in the chroot, it should work as well when booted03:15
pittisivang: do you use 'defaults'?03:16
pittisivang: if not, you have to supply exec03:16
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sivangpitti : wait, i'll check the fstb on the warty03:16
mojo_ha, can't way to get full release Ubuntu! Ubuntu roks!!!!!!!!03:16
sivangpitti : listen to this: I tried apt-get update this is what I get:03:17
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sivangpitti : Fetched 4237kB in 1m16s (55.6kB/s)03:17
sivangE: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.03:17
Mithrandirsivang: what happens if you do that, then?03:17
zenwhensomeone told me to use dpkg-reconfigure to reconfigure X03:17
pittisivang: well, it finishes configuring the packages that weren't because it was somehow interrupted03:17
zenwhenwahst the name of the xfree package?03:18
sivangMithrandir, pitti : it has "defaults" on /etc/fstab03:18
sivangMithrandir, pitti : it's an XFS / filesystem03:18
Treenakszenwhen: xserver-xfree8603:18
zenwhenAlso, I found pppconfig03:18
zenwhenconfigured my dialup connection03:19
zenwhenand ppp-go isnt a command03:19
Treenakszenwhen: pon is03:19
zenwhenpon connects?03:19
Treenakszenwhen: man pon03:19
zenwhenI have to reboot into ubuntu first03:19
Mithrandirsivang: XFS / doesn't work very well with grub.03:20
pittisivang: please repair your packages (with dpkg --configure -a, apt-get -f install, etc.) until a normal apt-get upgrade works03:20
zenwhenIf i can ever get dialup setup I can stay in there and hack at this till I get everything going03:20
lothariopitti: only the device name shows up on Device Manager when plugged in03:20
sivangpitti : k03:20
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pittilothario: no Volume nodes? Okay, that's the explanation why nothing is mounted03:20
lothariocpu is running 99% again, it isn't mounted03:20
Treenakslothario: what does the last line in  dmesg | tail say03:20
zenwhenI wish people I tlaked ot hadnt make ubuntu's installer out to be perfect at preconfiguring things like X. Ive never had such headaches getting X up.03:21
Treenakszenwhen: uh.. it IS quite perfect at setting up X03:21
Treenakszenwhen: it worked on 4 of my boxen03:21
lotharioTreenaks: usb 2-2.2:USB disconnect, address 6803:22
sivangpitti : tigershark:/# dpkg --configure -a03:22
sivangdpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 1:03:22
sivang EOF after field name `'03:22
Treenakslothario: did you do the acpi=off stuff03:22
Kamionsivang: /var/lib/dpkg/available is corrupted, run 'dselect update' to fix03:23
zenwhenIts not quite perfect considering the very common nature of all of my harware :p03:23
sivangKamion : updated. (replaced)03:23
lotharioTreenaks, I did all four options and the symptoms were the similar, 03:23
lothariosecond time  I did only acpi=off and the system completely froze when usb device plugged in03:24
pittisivang: oh, I also had this error once, but that was years ago03:24
sivangKamion : am I better off using dselect instead of apt-get/aptitude ?03:24
lotharionext I installed hal-package-manager as per pitti's suggestion03:24
azeemsivang: only if you want to fix the available file I guess03:24
sivangpitti : well, even if I installed from an old daily, it should let me update ok to go to a better version no?03:24
pittisivang: yes, in any case03:25
Kamionsivang: 'dselect update' is a very specific use of dselect to update /var/lib/dpkg/available03:25
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sivangKamion : so it's not much suitable for everyday usage of install/remove/purge03:26
KamionI didn't say that03:26
Kamionit works fine for me03:26
Kamionhowever, I've been using dselect for years and I'm very used to its user interface03:26
sivangKamio :ok, I'll hit it's man page ASAP.03:26
azeemsivang: read the bottom03:26
pittisivang: me too, I could never get used to aptitude and stuff. dselect rocks03:27
sivangpitti : you never told me you used dselect, you always told me "apt-get ....this and that" ;-)03:27
Kamionas far as I can see aptitude's UI is even *less* intuitive than dselect :)03:27
Kamionsivang: you can't give somebody a single command to install a package using dselect03:27
azeem"The dselect package selection interface is confusing to some new users. Reportedly, it even makes seasoned kernel developers cry."03:27
pittisivang: yes, if you know which package you need, apt-get isntall is the fastest and easiest method03:27
opi^workI've droped DSelect afeter second day with Debian03:28
sivangpitti : ok, and if I don't I just use dselect's task selection?03:28
opi^workand never came back03:28
Kamiondselect doesn't have task selection03:28
sivangKamion : how  many commands are needed to install something using dselect?03:28
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lotharioTreenaks: actually here's the tail line of dmesg03:28
Kamionsivang: it's an interactive interface, not a command03:29
pittisivang: dselect does not handle tasks IIRC. Either use apt-cache search or press '/' in dselect to search sth03:29
sivangI use aptitude like i used to use apt-get03:29
HcEuse aptitude :)03:29
sivangit eats the same commands03:29
lothariosda: assuming drive cache: write through /dev/scsi/host67/bus0/target0/lun003:29
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sivanganyway I am booting back to my warty, see if it works now after that pkg list was corrected.03:30
Kamionsivang: no03:30
sivangbe right back fellas03:30
Kamionsivang: try using the interface before asking more questions :-)03:30
sivangKamion : alrighty then, my apologize for the blabber ;-003:31
pittiazeem: vim is the least intuitive program I've ever seen; at the same time it is the most efficient one03:31
pittiazeem: so this is a matter of learning curve and experience03:31
azeemyeah, but I rarely do complicated package management tasks these days03:31
azeemwhile I edit stuff all day03:32
azeemanyway, I just find the manpage funny, I have nothing against dselect03:32
pittiazeem: that's what I meant. For my mother synaptic is good, for me apt-cache/apt-get rocks03:32
pittiazeem: that's why Debian is about choice :-)03:32
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pittitseng: as soon as you know commands like apt-get build-dep or apt-cache policy, you get enlightened about its power :-)03:34
sivangeverything is back norma.03:34
sivangthanks pitti, kamion03:34
tsengpitti: i do build-dep all the time.03:34
tsengive been wondering how to list files in a package, however03:35
pittitseng: dpkg -L <package>03:35
tsengmmm, thanks.03:36
tsengi was looking at apt :P03:36
pittitseng: apt does the high-level tasks only03:36
pittitseng: dpkg -S <filename> is also a nice thing, if you want to know which pacakge installed <filename> :-)03:36
tsengah, great03:36
azeemthere are a couple of project which aim to pull all the various commands under one consistent CLI. However, none of them have really a huge followin, AFAIK03:38
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lotharioI give up, thanks for the help Treenaks and Pitti03:39
pittilothario: what a pity03:39
pittilothario: did it work with kernel 2.6.7?03:40
pittilothario: 2.6.8 had some USB regressions03:40
lotharioI just installed warty last week, so I don't think I had 2.6.7, don't know03:40
pittilothario: ah, I see. It is still in the archive, though03:41
lothariois it possible to disable all hotplugging and mount the old way?03:41
pittilothario: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.7-1-38603:41
pittilothario: yes: Computer -> Desktop Settings -> Removable Media03:41
pittilothario: just switch of automatic mounting there03:41
lothariopitti: i did that, didn't stop the runaway cpu when I plug device in ;/03:42
pittilothario: oh, that was the problem.03:42
pittilothario: which process uses the cpu? hal? (Start 'top' to find out)03:43
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lothariopitti: as I recall it switched between hal and usb-agent03:43
pittilothario: well, you can do 'apt-get remove hal' as a last resort03:45
lothariopitti: just rechecked - I instantly get about half a dozen usb.agent processes starting and stopping03:45
pittilothario: sounds baaad...03:45
zenwhenWell dpkg-reconfigure on the xserver-xfree86 pkg didnt write a config file, and pon Bellsouth after "pppconfig"uring it didnt connect to the net, so I suppose I had better set up Ubunto when I have several hours to configure it by hand since the automated tools totally failed, and none of my standard configuration files work in Ubuntu.03:45
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Treenakszenwhen: type "dexconf" to generate the config file then03:46
Kamionzenwhen: if you edited /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 by hand, did you read the directions at the top of the file?03:46
tonyDoes anyone know how to get a didital camera to work with Ubuntu?03:47
Kamionzenwhen: I suspect not.03:47
petemctony: gphoto2 has worked for me with a few camera03:47
zenwhenI might try that later if I muster the care to boot Ubuntu again. 03:47
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lothariopitti If I install the 2.6.7 kernel will the 2.6.8 be removed? what about grub entry?03:53
pittilothario: no, the other kernel remains there and the GRUB entry is automatically creted03:54
pittilothario: created03:54
pittilothario: when booting, press Esc during the 3 second-timeout and choose the 2.6.7 kernel03:54
lothariopitti: this whole package scheme really rocks for a newbie like me, thanks for the HELP ;)03:55
pittilothario: no problem, you're welcome :-)03:55
Walskii was wondering - ive got 2 sound sources that alsa detected - 1- bt878 tv card and 1 - ac97 sound card03:56
zenwhenSo all of you had a working generic X server config when you first installed Ubuntu?03:57
Treenakszenwhen: I did..03:57
Walskiand default gnome apps defalt to bt878 tv card03:57
zenwhenI find it so very odd that it didnt work at all for me. perhaps it has issues with my 6800?03:58
Treenakszenwhen: look in bugzilla.ubuntu.com03:58
Walskiapps like rthembox and totem and esd for that matter03:58
zenwhenI'll wait till they send out the CD's. Myabe the kinks will be worked out. I can configure everything myself in slackware. i wanted to see what all of this Ubuntu automated configuration stuff was about, and wound up very dissapointed. Thanks for the help though.03:59
Treenakszenwhen: read the bug system! if your problem isn't there, report a bug, otherwise it won't be fixed03:59
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lothariogotta go, thanks again04:02
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WW_Does anyone know the name of the command for taking a screenshot?  I want to take a shot of just one window.  I've done it before, but I can't remember how :-)04:07
TreenaksWW_: there's a gnome thing for that in the menu04:07
TreenaksWW_: otherwise, xwd04:07
WW_Treenaks: "gnome" was the reminder that I needed. It's gnome-panel-screenshot.  Thanks.04:09
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sivangeverybody : I am working on an ubuntu guide that will explain and walkthrough major concepts, ideas and terminilogies for people coming from windows world04:15
zenwhenApparently my video card just does not work with the Xserver included in Ubuntu04:15
sivangI'd like ubuntu newbies to use a list I've created on the wiki, to put there things that seem obscure, thnings they would like to know etc04:16
Treenakszenwhen: did you guess that, or read that in the bug list?04:16
zenwhenNvidia 6800, no go.04:16
sivangthat way the guide would be targetting at specific questions and uncertainties among never-used-linux users.04:16
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zenwhenA perfectly configured XF86Config errors with no Devices found when trying to load the nv driver.04:16
Treenakszenwhen: file a bug, maybe it can be fixed before final04:17
bobbydI'm looking for a distro that will do automatic hardware configuration, does ubuntu do that?04:17
bobbydand does it have the latest version of kde? or is it gnome only?04:17
Treenaksbobbyd: currently it's gnome only, but it does detect hardware automagically04:17
sivangbobbyd : have a look at http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/UDP tell me what you think04:18
bobbydTresnar: I don't think I can live without kde, but I suppose it may be againt ubuntu's philosophy04:18
Treenaksbobbyd: it's not against philosophy, there's just not enough time, maybe in the next release04:18
Treenaksbobbyd: but the included Gnome is great04:18
bobbydTresnar: I've never tried gnome04:19
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bobbydsivang: looks good :)04:20
Treenaksbobbyd: it's easy.. 04:20
zenwhenGnome is wonderful04:21
bobbydTreenaks: I don't really see the point of changing desktop environments...04:21
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sivangbobbyd : thanks04:22
zenwhenbobbyd, Its really no so much different and once you get used to it... it just has a better workflow.04:22
bobbydzenwhen: in what sense, I'd try it if it were better, but I really don't know how to evaluate that04:24
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phosphorgreenhi everyone any1 know any good cdwriting software thatll burn isos? (i need to burn ubuntu *in* ubuntu)04:34
sivangphosphorgreen : have you downloaded the ISO already?04:34
aitrusphosphorgreen: Right click on it and say "Write to disc"04:36
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phosphorgreenahha, the gnome 2.8 never fails to amaze04:37
silvaCan someoen tell me a workarround so I can add search engines to firefox search box?04:37
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Chrifferworkaround silva?04:38
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spivphosphorgreen: Also, inserting a blank CD should start nautilus's CD burner (as controlled by Computer->Desktop Preferences->Removable Storage)04:38
phosphorgreenaitrus: It doesnt give me that option when right clicking on the iso file04:39
silvaChriffer, yeah, it wont add search engines unless i launch firefox from a root terminal04:39
crash_how to do so the normal user can acess a ntfs partiopn that is mounted in /mnt/mp304:39
silvai think firefox permissions may be too restrictive04:40
aitrusphosphorgreen: do you have nautilus-cd-burner installed?04:40
spivsilva: sounds like a bug... submit a bug report.04:41
silvaspiv, OK04:41
aitrusphosphorgreen: either look in synaptic or say "dpkg -l nautilus-cd-burner" from a terminal04:42
phosphorgreenaitrus: its installed04:42
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phosphorgreenspiv: if i just drag an iso image onto the nautilus cd burner wont it burn it as a file, rather than an image?04:45
arathnorhello everyone! is there a chance of installing x.org instead of xfree86?04:46
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phosphorgreennot yet arathor04:46
Mithrandirarathnor: for warty: no, for hoary: yes.04:46
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arathnoris hoary the new version? :)04:46
silvaarathnor, yeah wait a few months04:47
aitrusphosphorgreen: well, if the extension is .iso, and you have the cd burning stuff installed, i dont' know what the deal is.  maybe your burner isn't getting seen or something04:47
spivphosphorgreen: It should get it right automagically, iirc.04:47
wizz33i have soem keybord probelems04:47
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spivphosphorgreen: I don't have CD burner here to test with, though.04:48
arathnorthanks  :)  i think ubuntu is a great idea but i read that the new versions will come very 6 months- did that changed? a 4.10.1 maybe? :)04:48
arathnori wanted to say every, not very:)04:48
phosphorgreenis it just me every1 or is the amd64 version of ubuntu not too great yet04:48
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spivarathnor: That's still the case.04:48
wizz33+ is on the : button and other thokns like that04:48
TheCanhi. is there any easy-to-use graphical configuration tool for samba/printer sharing in ubuntu?04:48
arathnorwhat about the daily isos?04:49
spivarathnor: The next release will be 5.04 (As in 2005-04), nicknamed "Hoary Hedgehog".04:49
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spivThere should be daily ISOs every day, I believe.04:50
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spivEncouraging testing is good! :)04:50
Kamionyep. daily ISOs might break for a bit as we switch them over to hoary, of course04:51
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Kamionhaven't *quite* worked out all the details for that yet ...04:51
arathnori'm a little lost at the web pages, i couldnt find the package list or smth like that04:51
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jaunty_anyone alive?04:52
silvaTheCan, Computer/System Configuration/Networking/general/enable windows networking04:52
TheCansilva, i dont have this :(04:53
silvahmm it was there for my by default04:54
wizz33how do chance my keyboard map=04:54
jaunty_I wonder if anybody could help me mount a USB Pen Drive?04:54
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TheCansilva, can you tell me what app it starts?04:54
arathnorthanks for answers, see ya all soon04:55
Walskiwhere is the alsacong file in ubuntu?04:55
Walskialsaconf sorry :)04:55
silvaTheCan, it opens a window titled 'Network Settings'04:55
TheCansilva, no the application itself i mean...rightclick on it and do properties and see what program it launches..04:55
TheCanoh sorry :(04:55
TheCani forgot the networking..04:56
silvagksudo network-admin04:56
TheCanyou are right it's there04:56
bobbydjaunty_: do lsusb to sii it's it's recognised, look in your syslog to see if it knows it's a usb mass storage device when you plug it in...04:56
TheCansilva, ok but wehen i activate it it tells me there is no smb support installed04:56
TheCanallthough i have samba installed04:56
silvaTheCan, I dont know exactly how to set up the printer, but that is how to enable samba04:57
jaunty_doesn't look like it's there04:57
jaunty_the only entry with a name is my mouse04:57
silvaTheCan, make sure smbfs is installed through pkg manager04:58
jaunty_i plugged it in just after I installed initially, and it mounted automatically04:58
TheCansilva, yeah it isn't about the printer...if i just activate this "windows-network"04:58
TheCanah ok i'll try this04:58
jaunty_but ever since I did an apt-get update, it hasn't worked04:58
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TheCansilva, ic it seems not to have been installed, thanks for the hint!04:59
silvaTheCan, also make sure you have the package named 'samba'05:00
silvai noticed that was not there by default05:00
TheCansilva, yeah i got samba..05:00
TheCanthats why i wondered why it isnt working05:00
TheCansamba is there by default i think..05:00
crash_how to do so the normal user can acess a ntfs partiopn that is mounted in /mnt/mp3?05:02
TheCancrash_, /dev/hda1       /mnt/maxtor     ntfs   defaults,users,ro,exec,auto,umask=022,nls=utf805:03
TheCanjust fit it to your needs05:03
jaunty_one other question, is there a way to get root access in the GUI?05:03
crash_TheCan:thx i will try that05:03
jaunty_i'm trying to drag and drop some files, but it keeps giving me the "you do not have permission" stuff05:03
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RuffianSoldierhey alll05:04
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jaunty_anyone feel like helping me configure my sound card which refuses to work?05:07
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jaunty_mine actually does work, just only for CD's05:07
jaunty_system sounds refuse to play at all, and MP3s go through the shitty onboard sound on the motherboard05:08
anders_I've also have shitty onboard sound05:09
jaunty_i have shitty onboard sound and a PCI sound card05:09
anders_I disabled it by moving the module05:09
jaunty_no prize for guessing which one I'd rather use05:09
phosphorgreenany1 know what the name of the kernel source package is for
jaunty_that's an interesting idea05:09
jaunty_how'd you do that?05:09
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anders_go to the module directory05:10
jaunty_where's that?05:10
jaunty_<--- noob05:10
anders_maybe lsmod first05:10
anders_lsmod | grep snd_05:10
anders_see if you see the module name05:11
anders_mine is snd_maestro305:11
jaunty_it's there a few times05:11
jaunty_both of them05:11
jaunty_it lives05:12
jaunty_but i still can't make it play anything but CDs05:13
anders_guess you would have two sound modules loaded?05:13
anders_see in /lib/modules/
jaunty_there's 31 items in there05:14
jaunty_so I want to remove the ones that aren't my PCI sound?05:16
anders_go to that directory and: mv snd_46xx to snd_46xx.backup , would disable the onboard sound on next reboot05:16
mojo_what module is for the joystick dev?05:17
perdixanders_, isn't it cleaner to add the module to /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/some-new-file ?05:17
anders_that sounds smart05:18
perdixanders_: works for me ;)05:18
jaunty_care to explain that?05:19
anders_in /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/ , make a new file?05:19
perdixjaunty_: in /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d create a new file, containing only the module that you dont want loaded05:20
perdixjaunty_: that module will be skipped on system startup05:20
Pete-Gasdoes anyone know of a way to get ubuntu to authenticate with a netware server at gdm login?05:20
jaunty_a new text file with the path to the module?05:20
perdixjaunty_: a new textfile, but not the path, only the name as lsmod shows it05:21
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jaunty_what should I name this text file?05:22
anders_echo "snd-46xx" >> /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/myblacklist05:22
perdixanders_: that won't work, you need root privileges ;)05:22
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anders_sudo echo "snd-46xx" >> /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/myblacklist05:22
perdixecho "snd-46xx"  | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/myblacklist05:23
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perdixanders_: sudo doesn't seem to affect shell redirection05:23
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bagpuss_use "sudo bash" or "sudo -s" to get a root shell if you need it05:28
anders_I also have some crackling sounds with my soundblaster extigy05:30
jaunty_i got those through the onboard sound05:30
jaunty_very bad05:30
jaunty_ok, one last thing that needs fixing05:31
jaunty_my mouse buttons are all backwards and screwey05:31
anders_get some error messages at boot about mixers05:31
jaunty_left and right work fine, but the forward, back and middle usually mimic either left or right05:31
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hartbrkrhowcome when I go to www.google.ca or anywhere using firefox installed with ubuntu, all the links are bright green instead of blue or whatever color they're supposed to be?05:33
anders_jaunty_:tried computer->Desktop preferences->mouse?05:33
anders_maybe you need another mouse driver in X config-file05:34
jaunty_yeah, I tried the mouse preferences05:34
jaunty_couldn't find anything related to buttons05:34
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anders_in /etc/X11/XF86Config-405:37
anders_see section "InputDevice" Identifier "Configured Mouse"05:38
jaunty_I don't have XF86Config-405:38
jaunty_found it05:39
jaunty_found the mouse entry05:39
anders_I have Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2"05:39
jaunty_yup, that's what mine says05:39
anders_you need something else i guess05:39
anders_what kind of mouse do you have05:40
jaunty_would changing "emulate 3 buttons" do anything?05:40
jaunty_Intellimouse Optical05:40
anders_comment out "emulate 3...05:40
jaunty_it's two buttons, a scroll wheel that acts as a third, with a button on each side for back and foward05:41
anders_# Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true"05:42
jaunty_comment it out?05:42
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jaunty_no change05:43
anders_you would need to restart X to see the changes ctrl+alt+backspace05:43
jaunty_ah ok05:43
jaunty_might as well do the full reboot to see if the sound fix worked then05:44
jaunty_thanks for all the help05:44
jaunty_back soon05:44
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anders_have some problems with my usbaudio driver05:47
anders_dmesg : usbaudio: dma timed out??05:47
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anders_see I have usb_midi wich I don't need, putting it on the blacklist05:50
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jauntyit didn't work :(05:55
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defaultI have a fresh Ubuntu install where the sound card works (can hear music), but the gnome volume control can't find any mixer.  Any ideas?06:02
phosphorgreenis any1 using amd64 here?06:02
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t35t0ranother problem06:03
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t35t0rlsof | grep /dev/dsp06:07
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anders_figured out my sound problems, I got cracking noises and skipping when playing dvd's, both my dvd drives where set to dma off, hdparm -d1 /dev/hdb and hdc fixed it06:08
anders_now everything is working perfect in ubuntu <#:-)06:09
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wizz33how do chance my keyboard map?06:11
anders_conputer -> desktop preferences -> keyboard06:12
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anders_what do I put in /etc/hdparm.conf for setting dma on hdb and hdc?06:13
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ynefanders_: have you looked at the example at the bottom?06:13
wizz33aders_ thank you it works now06:14
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ynefanders_: you'd have a section that says: /dev/hdb { dma = on }  (although I also recommend some other options for maximum performance)06:15
anders_ok, /dev/hdb { dma = on } , thanks ynef06:15
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ynefanders_: inga problem... :)06:16
radioact1veAnyone find good docs to get ubuntu on a laptop?06:16
anders_hehe, norsk?06:16
Kosairadioact1ve: What do you think you need docs for?  :)06:16
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ynefanders_: nope, swedish :)06:17
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radioact1veKosai: I can't get X running. Well it is but nothing is on the screen. I can login but Im doing it blind06:17
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anders_ynef: smart til  vre svensk :)06:18
radioact1veIm going to try to config X by asking me some questions but if that doesnt work I dont know what else to do06:18
KosaiYou could run 'X -configure'.  It's certainly a bug that the installer didn't work, though.06:18
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ynefradioact1ve: find out what's wrong by checking /var/log/XFree86.0.log06:18
radioact1vejust like that? X -configure06:19
radioact1vei looked at the log and there is nothing unsual06:19
Kosaiynef: If X is running (rather than failing), it probably believes everything's fine, and there's not much to learn from the log.06:19
Kosairadioact1ve: Yes, like that.06:19
radioact1veKosai: Im guessing X cant be running right? Im at school right now running fedora so I cant really do much now.06:20
t35t0r/dev/hdb { dma = on } <- this is beyond ridiculous06:20
ynefKosai: yeah, but X isn't smart -- if you set it to run at a resolution that is higher or clocked in a way that your monitor can't handle, then you'll just get a black screen since the monitor is protecting itself by not even attempting to display the image... the log will know what mode X tries to run06:21
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t35t0r/dev/hdb { dma = on } <- who thinks of crap like this anyways06:21
yneft35t0r: what's wrong with it?06:21
radioact1veynef: I have set the modes in my xconfig to values that I know have worked fine on my laptop. With fedora and Suse06:22
t35t0rwhy not do the user a favor and let him actually learn what is going on /dev/hdb { hdparm -d1 } for instance06:22
t35t0ror even /dev/hdb { -d1 }06:22
Kosait35t0r: For one thing, because hdparm is being phased out.06:22
mjg59t35t0r: dma = on tells you what it does06:22
AndersAAt35t0r: ... a user that wouldn't understand dma=on wouldn't understand -d1....06:22
KosaiFor another, that hdparm -d1 doesn't tell you anything about *what's actually happening*.06:23
yneft35t0r: the commands are right there in the file as well. besides, you don't *know* what hdparm "does", by knowing a command...06:23
t35t0rKosai, yeah but it at least let's you know where to look06:23
mjg59It makes sense for configuration to define what is going to happen, not the precise path that results in it happening06:23
t35t0rynef, but as i said it at least lets you know where to look06:23
radioact1veynef: Ill still give it another look when I get home! ;)06:23
mjg59Otherwise people would have to rewrite config files whenever switching to a different backend application06:23
ynefradioact1ve: did you nuke the install that had a working X? i'm kind of hoping you still have that file somewhere... :)06:24
t35t0rmjg59, ok06:24
trumpetmicanyone interested in trying the free iPod deal?  I've heard that the best way to get all the referrals you need is to use a conga line, which we can make on my personal website: http://jazzyoreogato.homelinux.net06:24
trumpetmicI just need four more referrals and when those are done, I'll change my referral link to yours and you can get your referrals... and so on...  P.S.  this isn't spam.  Just look at my website and you'll see I'm pretty normal... just trying to score a free iPod, ya'know?06:24
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t35t0rtrumpetmic, it's spam just dressed up a little06:24
radioact1veynef: yeah I have it saved and printed it out for me to look at06:25
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trumpetmict35t0r: but it seems legit... how do you know for sure?06:25
mjg59trumpetmic: Dude, you're trying to score a free iPod by encouraging us to sign up for a scheme that sells our email addresses to other people06:25
radioact1veynef: besides that the working X that i had is gone06:25
t35t0rtrumpetmic, no  i didn't say free ipods wasn't legit06:25
t35t0rtrumpetmic, i just said you were spamming06:25
trumpetmicmjg59: you just create a free email you toss later;)06:25
mjg59trumpetmic: That's against their terms of service, I believe06:25
mjg59Which would make it fraud06:25
t35t0rfree ipds/lcd/computer all of those are legit ..they are backed up by major corporations06:26
danielscould you all please move this discussion to #offtopic? it's not relevant to #ubuntu.06:26
t35t0rbut its still spam06:26
t35t0rwhether its from nigeria or aol06:26
ynefradioact1ve: are you positive you've got the right kernel modules and everything set up?06:26
t35t0rwhat's is hdparm being phased out with ?06:27
radioact1veynef: well it's whatever ubuntu has at default06:27
radioact1vei cant really change anything b/c I cant see :)06:27
ynefradioact1ve: can't you even get to a console?06:27
ynefradioact1ve: what exactly are you doing then? :P06:28
radioact1veynef: well i can get text mode (no X) but Im very limited there.06:28
trumpetmicokay, well I hope I didn't cause too much of a ruckus!  Thanks.06:28
ynefradioact1ve: ah. gotcha. :(06:28
ynefradioact1ve: what graphics card do you have?06:28
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radioact1venvidia goforce(the mobile version) 4 06:29
radioact1vei think its called gofoce06:29
jauntymy sound driver is blacklisted, and I can't find the file that it's blacklisted in06:29
ynefradioact1ve: then you need the nvidia driver, then...06:29
ynefradioact1ve: start a root shell (FYI: "sudo /bin/bash")06:30
radioact1veyeah when i use nano to edit my config file, nv is loaded06:30
radioact1venv is there06:30
ynefradioact1ve: now, type "lsmod" -- this'll tell you if you've got nvidia loaded06:30
ynefradioact1ve: you're supposed to use "nvidia"06:30
radioact1venv or the real nvidia 06:30
radioact1vedont I have to download that?06:30
ynefradioact1ve: yeah, but it can be apt-getted... :)06:30
radioact1vedidnt think of that06:31
ynefradioact1ve: too bad you don't have a browser running ATM... there's a guide for doing this stuff at the wiki: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto06:31
radioact1vebeen so long I havnt used debian I forgot!06:31
ynefradioact1ve: i'll read it out loud for ya... ;)06:31
anders_jaunty: ls /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/06:31
radioact1veill print it at school06:31
radioact1velol thxs06:31
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ynefradioact1ve: right then... shut down x first of all06:32
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jauntythe only file in that folder is the ALSA list06:33
anders_does ubuntu have something like rc-status in gentoo ?06:34
jauntyi tried deleting the line that had my sound driver in it, but it still came up as blacklisted during the boot06:34
anders_jaunty: thats strange06:35
jauntyis there another blacklist file somewhere?06:35
anders_don't know, try searching06:36
Treenaksanders_: rc-status? what does that do?06:37
anders_find /etc/ -name '*blacklist*'06:37
anders_Treenaks: list running sevices06:37
Treenaksanders_: ps aux | less06:37
anders_Treenaks: also check status of single service, like "/etc/init.d/alsa status"06:38
Treenaksanders_: initscripts have stop/start/restart/force-reload (and maybe reload)06:40
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anders_Treenaks: ok thanks, I'm still figuring out ubuntu/debian, used to gentoo06:41
Treenaksanders_: Keep asking the questions :)06:42
Treenakscybernout: welcome06:42
cybernoutdo i understand it well that there is no KDE and apps because of the ubuntu  filosoy?06:42
Treenakscybernout: no.06:42
Treenakscybernout: there's no KDE because there wasn't enought time to customize/stabilize _two_ desktop environments06:43
Treenakscybernout: and because a lot of Ubuntu developers are GNOME people, Gnome was chosen06:43
Treenakscybernout: the next version will probably give you more of a choice06:43
cybernouthmm, okey 06:43
Treenakscybernout: though I think KDE is in the 'universe' repositoryt06:43
Treenakscybernout: you can install it, it's just not supported for this version06:44
cybernoutmight be but the amarok is not06:44
cybernoutmulti media app kde06:44
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cybernoutmusic, i tunes like06:44
cybernoutah, does not matter i can use rythmbox as well06:45
cybernoutthere is an other matter06:46
anders_Treenaks: I have a stripped server without graphics card, is it possible to start a debian cdrom-install on it(installing over ssh)?06:47
cybernoutthats an error at boot, for hpcihp something06:47
cybernoutand permissions denieded ..for loading some things06:47
cybernoutis that normal?06:47
cybernout(beta state)06:47
cybernoutand synaptic sources at http://debian.tu-bs.de/mplayer/ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/06:49
cybernoutno mplayer error...06:49
cybernoutone thing that works just great, is the flashplayer plugin for firefox, just click and it installs from the web, thats great!06:50
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willhi everyone, how do i enable my LPT1 port for my printer! i only have USB options in the printer port dialogue in printers06:54
willany one about?07:00
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makowill: yeah07:01
makowill: but i don't have a printer :)07:01
djtanseyhas anyone used ubuntu with the intel bg2200 (or 2100) centrino wifi card? i am thinking of switching from debian but would like to know if it worked (the supported hardware site said it does but i'd like to hear it from a real person)07:02
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jnixonIn K3b under devices, it shows my burner, but when I attempt to burn a CD it tells me that no writers could be found?07:06
jnixonIa checked the k3b message list archive07:06
jnixoncouldn't find one that solved my problem07:06
jnixonanyone else run into this problem?07:07
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willso does anyone know how to enable a parallel port?07:09
perdixwill: sorry, I'm still fighting to disable it ^^07:11
phosphorgreenjnixon: i had to manually install my cdrw in xcdroaster07:13
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cybernoutany one here using gdesklets?07:20
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cybernoutgdesklets , do they work on ubuntu?07:21
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x4mcybernout, go to #gdesklets on irc.gimp.net07:24
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willperdix: why are you fighting it?07:30
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perdixwill: bios bug, sound tries to share IRQ with parport and blocks07:31
magnonhi, is it possible to do a netinstall of ubuntu?07:31
magnonevt., somehow install it without burning the iso, I just discovered that I'm out of cd's.07:31
thaddeusi just yesterday installed warty on my ibm t42p laptop, but i'm having trouble with the built in wireless card...07:32
thaddeusmag, the website says it's possible, but that there's no official docs yet07:32
thaddeusi thought the wireless card was an atheros, and so added ath_hal, ath_pci, and wlan to /etc/modprobe07:33
thaddeushowever, lspci reveals that i have an intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG (rev 5) network controller.07:34
thaddeusanyone know the right module to load for this?07:34
tbwwhat's the status on nvidia drivers on amd64?07:34
tbwmdz said in http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/002519.html that he would look at it "today"07:34
tbwthat's a week ago now07:34
mdztbw: I looked into it that same day :-P07:35
mdzit's not going to happen for Warty07:35
tbwtoo bad07:35
mdzplease do file a bug in bugzilla to track it for Hoary07:35
tbwokay, i will07:35
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thaddeusanyone using ipw2200?07:40
pittithaddeus: does that work?07:41
thaddeusalso, does anyone else get 'vesafb: probe of vesafb0 failed with error -6' on boot?07:41
pittithaddeus: I need a wifi card as well07:41
thaddeuspitti: don't know if ipw2200 works or not.  there's a webpage (http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/) that seems to indicate something is happening with it.07:42
bagpuss_OOI, why does ubuntu use bugzilla rather than debbugs?  Surely it would be far easier to just point reportbug at a different debbugs address than trying to interface it with bugzilla?07:42
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tbwmdz, that bug you asked me to file, wouldn't it be a duplicate of https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1958 ?07:46
LinuxJonesafternoon everyone !!07:46
tbw...which you filed yourself?07:47
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tbwmdz ?07:49
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LinuxJonesCan someone offer an explanation as to why there are no default document templates with gnome 2.8 ?07:51
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zeposomeone has Ubuntu on laptop Acer08:00
mdztbw: you're right; I forgot that it was already filed. thanks for checking08:01
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q2what is the ubuntu file manager called???08:02
mdzq2: nautilus08:02
mdzzepo: yes08:02
q2thats the one it uses?08:02
zepomdz: does it work well08:02
mdzzepo: we tested on an Acer model; I don't remember which one08:03
tbwi added the word 'nvidia' to the summary of that bug to make it easier to find.08:03
zepobecause i have problems... video problems...08:04
zepomdz: sometimes my monitor becomes black...and mouse pointer is a white square08:06
zeposomeone can help me?!08:06
Treenakszepo: what kind of video card is in your acer?08:07
zepoTreenaks:  VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82830 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller]  (rev 04)08:08
TreenaksIntel 830..08:09
TreenaksI don't know that... anyone who does?08:09
zepoTreenaks: i looked on the net for other acer XF86Config, but i found very few examples08:10
Treenakszepo: you shouldn't do that by hand, you can use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to reconfigure X08:10
zepoTreenaks: reaaly!?08:11
Treenakszepo: really..08:11
Treenakszepo: just type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" on a command prompt08:11
zeposo i do now08:11
tcki seem to be having problems mounting a usd disgo key08:12
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tckhas anyone done it sucessfully?08:12
Treenakstck: "disgo" ?08:12
Treenakstck: what's different with that key than other keys?08:12
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Treenakstck: my USB harddisk works fine08:13
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tckwell did u mount is as hda etc..08:13
tckor scsi08:13
Treenaksusb harddisks are always scsi-ish08:13
Treenaksnot hda08:13
TreenaksI just plugged it in and it appeared on my desktop08:13
tckin mdk, i just point to /dev/sda etc..08:13
tckdoesnt seem to be an option for that,08:14
tckany suggestions?08:14
Treenakstck: are you using the whole disk or a partition08:14
funkytwiglive cd images seem to of vanished from http://ftp.no-name-yet.com/cdimage/morphix/20040910/wartylive-v2.iso, anyone know where they have moved to?08:14
tckTreenaks, its only a 16mb keyring08:15
Treenakstck: apparently, ubuntu only automounts partitions, not whole disks08:16
Treenaks(understandable, as these devices come with a pre-installed partition, why remove it?)08:16
tckok, is there anything i can use to get it to recognise scsi devices?08:17
Treenaksmake a partition on the key08:17
tckhmm pity there isn't a tool done to automate usb disks08:17
Treenakstck: it is automated!08:17
Treenakstck: just not if you remove the partitions08:17
Treenakstck: re-create the partition, use that and it'll very likely work08:18
tckok, gis a min - cheers08:18
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pereHi, Im trying to mount a samba share, but is getting the error: "22731: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnosuchshare (You specified an invalid share name)08:26
pere". Even if I know the share exists08:26
anders_funkytwig: http://ftp.no-name-yet.com/cdimage/releases/warty/preview/live-i386.iso.torrent08:27
pereAnyone know how I can find out what is wrong?08:28
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pereIm using the command "sudo mount -t smbfs -o username=pere,password=passwd // /media/dir"08:31
LinuxJonespere, here's a good tutorial >> http://justlinux.com/nhf/Filesystems/Mounting_smbfs_Shares_Permanently.html08:32
aitruspere: sometimes the "password" option doesn't work correctly and you ahve to say:  username=user%pass instead08:33
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imkagood evening08:34
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LinuxJonesimka, hi08:35
imkahow's the mailing list? i have a problem with bulking up my mailbox. at the moment i'm only on the announcment list08:36
q2which do is better, IMAP or POP308:36
imkagmail :)08:37
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toloHi to all08:37
tolosome of you have installed flightgear fro universe? known isues? something?08:38
tolois as good as Microsoft Flight Sim?08:38
imkawhat's flightgear?08:38
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toloa game of flight simulation08:38
toloit's in universe08:38
pereaitrus/linuxJones: Thanks for the help. The link helped me. It turned out the directory was accessible by //ip/user instead og //ip/home/user..08:39
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LinuxJonespere, good glad to hear it ;)08:41
willhola people08:42
tolono one tried Flight Gear?08:42
tolowell thx anyway, bye to all08:43
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zepoall mine tty doesn't work... pushing ctrl+alt+F2 i enter in black screen, then pushing ctrl+alt+F7 i go back to Gnome...someone know why?!08:52
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willi get 'Error while copying to "/mnt/d". You do not have permissions to write to this folder.' when i try and copy from linux fs to vfat how do i fix this?08:53
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wizz33ayn one kwon whenn aspell 0.60 will be uploaded?08:55
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zepoall mine tty doesn't work... pushing ctrl+alt+F2 i enter in black screen, then pushing ctrl+alt+F7 i go back to Gnome...someone know why?!08:57
zepohow can i do to make work tty?!08:58
fswhat graphics card do you have?08:59
fsoh, that one.09:00
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WW_Is it easy to get postfix/sendmail up and running, or will I have to dig deeply into a manual to figure it out?  I'm trying to set up Evolution Mail to use Sendmail for sending mail, but I'm not sure what to run on my system to get it working.09:00
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magnonhm, ubuntu doesn't love locales too much09:01
lamontWW_: should just drop in and run09:02
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magnonall sorts of things work in a funny way09:02
cybernouti dont know how to file an bug report, but this is the bug : tvtime does not save the channels, so its useless unless you rescan them every time09:02
WW_lamont: drop in?  I tried sending an email to myself after selecting Sendmail as the server type.  Evolution appeared to send the mail, but it never arrived.09:03
willhi sorry what does ctrl alt F2 do and how do u get back to x?09:03
crash|hmm ihave tried mount -t ntfs users,ro,auto,umask=022 /dev/hda5 /mnt/mp3 but it says you have no acess to this drectory09:03
cybernouti am now trying it as root09:03
cybernoutsee if that helps09:03
magnonwill: you go to another virtual terminal09:03
magnonalt-f7 will get you to X09:03
lamontWW_: look at /var/log/mail.log and see if it's spewing errors about aliases.db09:04
cybernoutlets see09:04
lamont(known issue, run newaliases as root)09:04
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cybernoutdoes not work09:05
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cybernoutso thats an BUG09:05
cybernouta real BUG09:05
will/dev/hda1       /mnt/c          vfat    gid=100,umask=002,noexec,nosuid 0       009:05
will <<why cant i write to this dirve?09:05
fixelPlease don't hurt me, but could someone tell me how to type Japanese in ubuntu? I've already downloaded the canna packages, but how do I start the canna server? Thanks in advance.09:05
cybernoutchannels scan are not saved by sweet abuntu...09:06
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cybernoutbye bye09:07
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willany one have any ideas on my question?09:07
fixelwill, Linux can only read stuff from nfts drives. It can't write to them.09:08
akrawill: no rw in the options list?09:08
WW_lamont: I ran newaliases as root several days ago.  I don't see any recent entries in mail.log that look like errors.  I tried sending another email, and three more lines were added to mail.log, but nothing that looks like an error.09:08
willfixel: its VFAT09:09
fixelOh, I see. 09:09
lamontWW_: want to paste those lines in a /msg?09:09
willdoes anyone know what to add to make it rw?09:09
willnot just ro?09:10
akrawill: ro means read only09:10
Ex-Cyberwill: I think the umask has to be changed, but I always get the octal umask bits mixed up09:10
Ex-Cyberso I could be wrong09:11
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WW_lamont: I hope that worked... IRC newbie here.09:11
lamontWW_: yep09:12
fixelIs there an equivalent to /etc/rc.local  in ubuntu? I don't seem to have that dir.09:12
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socommAny of you guys got a list of all the packages that are installed by default on Ubuntu?09:16
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_axelhmm, i thought ubuntu wouldn't have a shitload of updates like sid has, but rather stick to critical security fixes and only provide new versions of stuff until next release, but i just did apt-get upgrade and noticed i have about 250mb worth of updates available... what is exactly the updates policy?09:18
LinuxJones_axel, did you include the universe repository ?09:19
_axelyes, but i remove it after i get what i need09:19
_axeli want to keep universe stuff to a minimum09:20
LinuxJones_axel, did you apt-get update again ? 09:20
_axeli have like full gstreamer, full gnome and full x updates available09:20
_axeland more stuff like cups, ooo, etc 09:20
anders__axel: ubuntu isn't released yet?09:21
Mithrandiranders_: no09:21
_axelah, i see09:21
Mithrandiranders_: so far, it's a preview release.09:21
_axelso its massive bughunting before release?09:21
lamont_axel: yeppers09:21
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_axelah, k, that sounds ok to me09:22
_axelso it will settle down when released09:22
Mithrandiryeah, on Oct 13th09:22
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_axelxorg wont make it in time though i guess09:24
KosaiNo, xorg's always been planned post-warty.09:24
_axelk, fair enough09:24
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hazmatcure article linus on kernel management http://lwn.net/Articles/105375/09:26
willi have not had so many bugs, apart from a dodgy errornous startup09:26
crash|ok do ubuntu have any video players who plays every codecs?09:27
willno but get VLC its the best09:28
punkass_my pops has an old 166 with windows95 on it...and it needs a reformat...well it needs to be tossed in the trash really...but that aint going to happen....I assume that ubuntu would be to much for it?09:28
willor try totem-xine09:28
_axellol @ linus: "Most people are idiots, and being a manager means you'll have to deal09:29
_axelwith it, and perhaps more importantly, that _they_ have to deal with09:29
_axel_you_. "09:29
crash|will,  apt-get install totem-xine dosen't work09:29
siretartpunkass_: perhaps you could use that as thin client. xdmcp to a modern, fast machine with ubuntu ;)09:31
willurr, do a search in synaptic then, maybe you need to get universe09:31
punkass_siretart: that would be sweet..but if he had a faster machine..it tell him just to use that09:31
anders_punkass_: with enough ram i guess it will do fine09:32
crash|what is ubuntu build on? testing,unstable? 09:32
siretartpunkass_: you could give DELI a try: http://delilinux.berlios.de/09:34
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punkass_siretart: thanks ill look into it.09:35
fixelHmmm, in Fedora C 2, there was some kind of service configuration program, which let you start stuff like iptables and canna... is there something similar for ubuntu?09:35
LinuxJonescrash|, unstable09:36
willpunkass_: have a look at http://lineman.net/brokenlaptops.php its for laptops, and also old pcs!09:36
willfound it on slashdot09:36
punkass_thanks will do...site is down now tho09:37
socommfixel, you can use firestarter.09:38
LinuxJonesfixel, not yet, but I thinbk it is planned for down the road.09:38
fixellemme look for firestarter09:38
fixelCurrently downloading some locale packages through synaptic, I'm on the right way, I guess.09:40
q2in the GKrellm mail check configuration, it wants a mail fetch/check program, what is it that i put in?09:40
q2i got it09:41
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socommUbuntu does not come preloaded with `cvs' does it?09:41
defendguinfixel, a service config thing like that doesnt exist here :(09:42
mjrcan't find this in the hardwaresupport wiki or faq, so: Does Ubuntu installation support SATA?09:43
fixelcrap, I'm looking for a way to start the canna server.09:44
LinuxJonesfixel, you can always do it from the command line /etc/init.d/<service name> start09:45
fixelOh, thanks, I'll try that. And if I add lines like that to my "session", they'll be loaded at startup, right?09:46
fixelj@ubuntu:~ $ /etc/init.d/canna start09:47
fixelStarting cannaserver...09:47
fixelcannaserver:couldn't set groupid to canna user's group09:47
fixelOne step closer, I guess.09:47
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LinuxJonesfixel, usually you will want to add a startup script to /etc/rc2.d for the service. (sorry I don't know what canna is) 09:47
housetierfixel, "sudo invoke-rc.d canna start" maybe09:48
fixelcanna is a server that lets you type Japanese.09:48
fixelI just did it as root -- it SEEMS to have worked.09:49
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defendguinfixel, of course you are gonna wanna be root to start those services09:49
willwhats the default bootlog location?09:49
defendguineven for the FC 2 service tool they ask you for root before starting the app09:49
fixelYeah, I know. It's just that I keep on closing my terminal windows so sometimes I don't know if I'm root or not.09:50
defendguinthats what the # is for09:50
fixelI'm pretty new to Linux. -_-09:52
defendguinfixel, we all have to start somewhere09:52
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fixelThe first distro I tried was Mandrake last year, but I didn't really like it.09:53
fixelA few weeks ago I got bored and decided it would be a good idea to install Fedora Core.09:53
defendguini didnt like mdk either09:53
defendguinFC is ok09:53
willubuntu is the way forwawrd09:53
willforward even09:53
fixelI also bought "Fedora Core 2 for dummies" and read it, which helped.09:53
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defendguinive never read a linux boox09:54
socommMDK is `teh' suck.09:54
socommRH was cool, though FC is bloated beyond belief.09:54
fixelI liked FC2 quite a bit and learnt how to install and compile stuff pretty quickly. I then downloaded ubuntu because everyone kept on raving how cool it was. I like it a lot so far.09:54
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fixelYeah, I noticed that.09:55
hartbrkrhowcome when I go to www.google.ca or anywhere using firefox installed with ubuntu, all the links are bright green instead of blue or whatever color they're supposed to be? the color settings in the preferences are normal defaults, and not checked off to always use them. there's no userChrome.css file in use.. anyone else have this problem?09:55
fixelubuntu's a lot faster for me.09:55
socommfixel, here too.09:55
defendguinfixel, i think i like it mostly because apt repository is a lot larger and it has gnome 2.809:55
fixelyeah, Gnome 2.8 is cool.09:55
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defendguini noticed its pretty fast as well09:55
fixelToday I installed the nvidia driver through Synaptic... no problems at all.09:56
defendguinthat might just be gnome 2.8 compared to 2.6 not just the distro09:56
socomm2.8 is cool, though wish that BlueCurve were in the repos.09:56
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fixelI also compiled Gens and Visual Boy Advance (I like emulators.) Can't get xmame and gxmame to work, though.09:57
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fixelLinuxJones, how do I add a startup script to /etc/rc2.d? I just noticed that it's a directory, not a config file. *_*09:58
defendguinfixel, i think you just put a link to the service you want to start in that directory09:59
hartbrkrhowcome when I go to www.google.ca or anywhere using firefox installed with ubuntu, all the links are bright green instead of blue or whatever color they're supposed to be? the color settings in the preferences are normal defaults, and not checked off to always use them. there's no userChrome.css file in use.. anyone else have this problem? or know how to fix it??09:59
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fixelHmm, I see.09:59
defendguinhartbrkr, check the color settings on your monitor ;)10:00
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fixelMy links are blue. *_*10:01
hartbrkrdefendguin: well i'm running ubuntu under VMWare workstation with windows xp as the host.. firefox looks fine when running in windows, but in ubuntu the links are messed up.. all other colors look fine10:01
LinuxJonesfixel, You can do it using update-rc.d <service name> defaults, will add links to runlevels 2-510:01
fixelcool, thanks, I'll try that.10:02
defendguinhartbrkr, its not a ubuntu problem everything works fine here10:02
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fixelLooks like it worked, thanks again!10:02
LinuxJonesfixel, sure ;)10:02
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hartbrkrdefendguin: when you installed, firefox looks fine? on google the links are green, is it that way with you?10:03
defendguinthey are all blue10:04
defendguincheck your color settings on your monitor or on VMWare10:04
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socommfixel, have you installed mplayer?10:06
missnewbiehi does ubuntu support airport wireless for macs10:07
Kosaimissnewbie: It supports the "original" airport card, but not Airport Extreme.  (Since there isn't Linux support for Airport Extreme at all.)10:08
socommKosai, yet ...10:09
missnewbieah oh okay10:09
missnewbiethat stinks10:09
missnewbieMy wireless worked right away with Fink, but I guess thats just coz it was on top of Mac OSX then..10:11
missnewbieso does that mean that i can't pick up any wireless... even if its not from an airport extreme base station? or can i pick up all wireless other than airport extr.10:13
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A-starhi, I'm just starting with Ubuntu-linux. Any tips for a newbie?10:16
socommA-star, install MPlayer :^)10:16
Kosaimissnewbie: I'm talking about the airport card inside your laptop, not the base station.10:16
LinuxJonesA-star, her eis a good start >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions10:17
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KosaiSo, if you have an airport card inside, you'll be able to pick up wireless from any base station at all, if you have an airport extreme card inside you won't be able to pick up any.10:17
missnewbieokay 10:17
missnewbiei have an airport extreme card. alright. thanks10:17
KosaiAh.  :/  Sorry to hear.10:18
KosaiFWIW, it's possible to buy a USB wireless card and use that in your laptop; Linux would support it.10:18
__randy__does anyone know of tools similiar to redhat's kickstart for debian/ubuntu10:18
hazmatwhere do you get the source for the ubuntu kernels?10:18
hazmati just see images in apt10:18
hazmatthanks, ic it now10:19
hazmatdoesn't have the funky ubuntu icon by it in synaptic..10:19
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A-starwhy does ubuntu download so much stuff after the first boot?10:24
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hazmatupdated packages10:26
fixelWhere's the apt source file located? I'd like to add a repository for Japanese input tools.10:26
sapA-star: i didn't have a network connection when i installed and so i don't think it *has* to download anything ... if you want updates to the packages that came on the CD then that's a different matter.10:27
sapfixel: yep10:28
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A-starthanks for the info10:29
WsquaredI'd like to clear up some misinformation I've seen in a different forum.  Is k3b working OK in ubuntu?10:30
A-starbtw does ubuntu support the reiserfs filesystem?10:31
KosaiA-star: Yes.10:31
WsquaredA-star: I'm using reiserfs; my root partition is reiserfs.10:31
A-starcan you manually assign that when you install ubuntu?10:33
sapWsquared:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-05.2946111988/view?searchterm=k3b10:34
KosaiA-star: Yes.10:34
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A-starok then, I'm going to test it in vmware before I do a real install.10:34
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Wsquaredsap: Thanks!10:35
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sapWsquared: hmm, not sure whether that helps ... I was sure I read something about this the other day, but that's all I could find.10:36
andredIf you want to administer samba though the web interface SWAT you have to log in with admin priviliges thought he web browser. How does that work when you only have sudo, and no root account?10:36
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slartibartfasthey there, can anyone help me get my wireless card going?  i've been banging my head against this for a while.  my feeling is that i'm missing something easy.10:37
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slartibartfastI'm using the Intel PRO/wireless 2200BG on a T42p Thinkpad under Warty.10:38
sapslartibartfast:is it listed here  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport10:39
slartibartfastthanks... i'll take a look!10:39
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herzi_lapcan anyone tell me how to build a customized kernel image?10:42
Wsquaredsap: No problem.  It looks like there is (or was) a configuration problem, but it can be worked around.10:43
Kamionbagpuss: long story, but basically we're going to be shifting to our own bug tracking system once it's finished and Bugzilla was just a stopgap measure10:43
socomm|awayherzi_lap, http://linuxjunior.org/cgi-bin/pet/pet.cgi?SUBMIT=Display&id=11010:45
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socomm|awayherzi_lap, http://linuxjunior.org/cgi-bin/pet/pet.cgi?SUBMIT=Display&id=910:46
socomm|awayherzi_lap, should get you started.10:46
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Wsquaredherzi_lap: I can't help you, but I have lurked here long enough to see a lot of people think they needed to recompile, when they didn't, so I'll ask: why do you need to customize?10:48
herzi_lapWsquared, because i want to have the orinoco 0.15rc2 (network scanning support), the grsecurity patch (increased security) and the pmdisk patch (suspend to disk)10:52
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sapherzi_lap: 'apt-cache show kernel-package' may interest you10:54
herzi_lapkernel-package builds kernel-image-foo kernels, not linux-image-foo (the ubuntu name for it)10:55
Kamionlinux-source- uses kernel-package as far as I know10:57
Kamionyou could look at it for how it does it ...10:57
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slartibartfastis kernel-package the way to go if i *don't* need to customize, but just need to update from to
Wsquaredherzi_lap: Got it.  Best of luck!11:00
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ljbhi, i can't for the life of me figure out how to change the apps used to play for example MP3s in ubuntu's gnome installation? but permanently, not temporarily like "Open With.."lets you do..Open With's functionality seems like a regression from other GNOME version's i've used as well...11:04
Kamionslartibartfast: no11:04
Kamionslartibartfast: it sounds like you're confused by the versioning scheme, not unjustifiably11:05
socomm|awayljb, right click on a file properties and go to openwith.11:05
Kamionslartibartfast: indicates the third module ABI of the kernel; sounds more like a package version number11:05
socomm|awayShould be right click->properties->openwith11:05
Kamionso you see stuff like linux-image-
Kamionslartibartfast: anyhow, that aside, for plain uncustomized packaged kernel updates just use the package management tools as normal to upgrade11:06
slartibartfastyup.  i'm confused.  good to know.11:06
Kamionit's confus*ing* :)11:07
zenwhenAnyone using Dialup with Ubuntu?11:07
zenwhenOr have any clue how to set it up?11:07
KamionI have to write stuff like "Build with linux-image- version" in changelogs not infrequently11:07
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andrilhello all11:08
slartibartfastArg.  So, what would the proper apt call be?11:08
ljbsocomm: that one rather sucks...there used to be one that let you browse the launcher menus as well instead of just trying to find the raw command :|11:08
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ljbis this a gnome 2.8 "upgrade"? :|11:09
andrilis there any help today?11:09
Kamionslartibartfast: 'apt-get upgrade'?11:10
Kamionslartibartfast: or 'apt-get dist-upgrade' if you see packages held back11:10
Kamionslartibartfast: synaptic's "smart update" should work too11:10
Kamionandril: that depends on the question. :-)11:10
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andrilwell I just installed Ubuntu and wondered about some features11:11
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andrilDoes it have Server (FTP, POP3, SMTP and such)?11:12
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andrilit is indeed a superior distro - definitely a i386 Owner11:13
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jmhodgesis there a deb out there that will allow totem to play embedded video files?11:13
jmhodgesor do i just need to install mplayer-plugin?11:13
jimi42hi all11:13
andriltried that11:14
andrilhello jimi4211:14
slartibartfastkamion: i just installed and upgraded ubuntu yesterday11:14
slartibartfastapt-get dist-upgrade says nothing needs to be upgraded11:14
jimi42i just installed ubuntu and im in trouble with a couple of things : eth0 and X11:15
jimi42is there a way to tell ubuntu to get the dns servers via dhcp?11:15
andrilKamion - are you the channel Op?11:16
slartibartfastjimi: computer -> system preferences -> networking11:16
socomm|awayandril, there aren't any ops, on this channel.11:16
slartibartfast(i mean system configuration)11:16
jimi42slart : X does not work11:16
andrilyes jimi42 - then click on prperties11:16
jimi42thats why i need networking at least to get some packaghes =)11:17
slartibartfastjimi: word. :)11:17
andrilso who provides the support??11:17
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slartibartfastkamion: bug 1055 says that the problem i'm having is fixed in  11:18
socomm|awayYou, me, everyone.11:18
jimi42i launched dhclient because eth0 was down, i got an IP, but no dns11:18
andrilI really like Ubuntu - dammmn just saying it while I format my i386 machins feels good :)11:18
socomm|awayandril, you can install whatever server you want on your ubuntu install.11:19
jimi42i would like to be able to like ubuntu11:19
andrilhelps on the way jimi4211:19
Kamionandril: there are ops, they just generally don't keep operator privileges enabled most of the time11:19
sapjimi42: i think it's the dhcp server that supplies this info11:19
andrildidn't it ask you to connect for updates during the install?11:19
Kamionandril: you can certainly install server-oriented packages11:19
jimi42sap : yes, it does11:19
jimi42andril : i thought it did, but instead it looked into the cdrom11:20
Kamionoh, socomm|away already said that11:20
jimi42sap : but dhclient in ubuntu console gives me only IP, netmask and gw, no dns :/11:20
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andrilthat sucks11:20
socommOh and jmhodges, I think xine has a browser plugin.11:21
andrilthese guiys here are awesome - I'll have to sit back and learn too11:21
jimi42i uncomented the network items in sources.conf, but i need dns working ^_11:21
socommjmhodges, install xine and there's a wizard burried somewhere in the menus that walks you through plugin installation.11:21
andriljimi42 - what type of video adapter do you have?11:21
Kamionandril: I noticed a bug earlier today where the CD was still required after the install11:21
jmhodgessocomm: agh, ok thanks11:21
jimi42nvidia gf3 ti20011:21
Kamionjimi42: er, that was directed at you11:22
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sapjimi42: edit /etc/resolv.conf11:22
andrilreally So far I have installed it on 4 of my machines and it went flawless11:22
andrilahhh make that 5 machines - the kids love Ubuntu also11:23
jimi42sap : yeah i could do that, and i will, but if i can use dhcp information, i would prefer that 11:23
jimi42(sorry for mistakes, im french =)11:23
LinuxJonesjimi42, have you restarted networking ?11:23
jimi42linux : yeah11:23
jimi42it did nothin11:23
jimi42i had to use dhclient command11:23
jimi42is there a way to redo the networking configure app that is used in install?11:24
anders_what is multiverse?11:24
LinuxJonesjimi42, is your dhcp server assigning dns server addresess' ?11:25
andredWhat's a good tool to graph network traffic on various ethernet interfaces of a router?11:25
jimi42mepis and winxp have no problem with that =] 11:25
Tomcat_andred: MRTG and RRDTool.11:25
LinuxJonesjimi42, cat /etc/resolve.conf and see if the correct address(s) are in there.11:26
andrilI am using Nvidia GeForce3 64MB - and it works as configured11:26
jimi42andril : i have a similar card, and X is broken :/11:27
andrilJimi42: - are you using this a a fresh install or Virtual Machine?11:27
jimi42linux : ok im gona check this out11:27
andrilthat's not right11:27
jimi42usually other linux distro have no probleme with this computer hardware11:28
andrilI used the Live CD to test it - then I used the Werty Releace (v4.10) - no problems 11:28
jimi42LinuxJones : hehe i have no "/etc/resolv.conf" 11:29
slartibartfastOkay, the hardware support page indicates that the intel PRO/Wireless 2200 wireless network interface is supported in an installed system.  I have an installed system, but haven't been able to get wireless.11:29
jimi42i use the nighly CD from 1 week ago11:29
jimi42is ot right?11:29
andrilno mate - I recommend the 4.10 Build (stable)11:30
LinuxJonesjimi42, lol that's a problem :D11:30
jimi42i think i should launch again the networking configure app11:30
jimi42but i dont know the command11:30
andrilnightlys are intended for thrill seekers and those special Devs11:30
jimi42ok i should use the basic install and then use apt to upgrade?11:31
Kamionandril: there's no such thing as the stable warty release yet11:31
Kamionyou probably want Sounder CD 9 if you want a reasonably stable install11:31
jimi42the stable unstable release =)11:32
Kamionnightlies are also for people we ask to test fixes to particular installer bugs11:32
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andrilcan you obtain this build?11:33
jimi42i will install the official preview release11:34
Kamionandril: which build?11:34
jimi42thancks everyone11:34
jimi42ill come back to complain if its broken again ;-)))11:34
andrilKainmon: Right you are sir11:34
Kamionandril: uh. confused. :-)11:34
andrilyou should be coming back to rejoice with use jimi4211:35
jimi42hehe ok 11:35
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andrilnot much Kaimon - I stand corrected11:35
andrilI was talking like a M$oft user11:35
jimi42i will surely comme back because i have weird hardware on another computer11:35
KamionSounder CD 9> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/002384.html11:35
jimi42so sounder 9 is more stable than preview?11:36
KamionSounder 9 fixes a number of bugs since preview, and the upgrade to the current warty tree will be rather smaller11:37
jimi42wooo 900kb/s11:37
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andrilI am using warty-i386.iso - is this also the Sounder cd9?11:37
Kamionit's probably what you want to use unless you have a reason not to (e.g. a Via graphics card ...)11:37
Kamionandril: impossible to tell11:37
Kamionandril: all our i386 CD images are called that11:38
Kamionandril: what URL did you download it from?11:38
jimi42kernel source is included or i have to apt it?11:39
andrilwell I noticed the one on your link is labled - warty-i386-1.iso 11:39
Kamionjimi42: not included by default11:40
djtanseyhas anyone here used ubuntu with a intel 2200 or 2100 wifi card? i am using the live CD and it didn't seem to detect it though the supported hardware site lists it as being supported. if i can get that to work i intend to install it.11:40
jimi42mine was not supported by live cd djtansey11:40
Kamionandril: you would be looking at Sounder CD 8, not 911:40
slartibartfastdjtansey: i'm having the same problem11:40
jimi42(but a lot of things were broken...)11:40
Kamionandril: read the mail carefully, I pointed you to the mail in which I corrected the wrong URLs I sent out11:40
andrilI got it from the Ubuntu website11:41
Kamionwe renamed the daily builds from warty-i386-1.iso to warty-i386.iso just before the preview release11:41
slartibartfastdjtansey: what machine are you using?  i'm on an ibm T42p.11:42
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andrilso I just installed 5 copy's of the old build?11:42
andrilcan I update?11:42
Kamionandril: of course11:42
Kamionyou only need to actually get a newer build if you had some installation problem11:43
djtanseyslartibartfast: x4011:43
sapslartibartfast,djtansey : i have an intel wifi card also. what exactly is the problem. is the ipw2100/ipw2200 module loaded?11:43
djtanseyjimi42: but is it in the install?11:43
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djtanseysap: modprobe ipw2200 says it's not found11:44
Kamiondjtansey: it won't quite work in the installer itself yet; the driver is there for post-install though, and we've had reported successes11:44
Kamiondjtansey: it may well not work in the live CD11:44
djtanseyKamion: cool. that makes me feel a little better. thanks.11:44
andrilis there a way to find out if I am using an old build?11:44
jimi42dj : sorry i was wrong, i havec an acer tm800 and i forgot i changed the intel wifi card with a netgear ^_ 11:44
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slartibartfastdjtansey: you have to get a restricted package.11:44
jimi42i did not test yet with the intel11:45
djtanseyslartibartfast: the firmware? or what?11:45
djtanseyjimi42: no worries. 11:45
Kamionslartibartfast: no, ipw2200 is in main11:45
slartibartfastkamion: oh, right... i was thinking of the atheros chipset11:45
slartibartfastsap: lsmod | grep ipw2200 returns:11:46
slartibartfastipw2200               108652  011:46
slartibartfastfirmware_class          9728  1 ipw220011:46
slartibartfastieee80211              21124  1 ipw220011:46
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slartibartfasti assume that means ipw2200 is loaded correctly?11:47
sivangstill having trouble with XFS and dpkg,11:47
sapslartibartfast:yes, this looks fine to me11:47
sivangit now says I'll need to manually fix the packages i was intrrupted during install11:47
sivanganybody help?11:48
sivangi _do_not_ want to reinstall11:48
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andrilhow can I tell which sounder I have?11:48
soleblazewhat's the command to install a .deb package (not from a repository)11:48
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LinuxJonessoleblaze, dpkg -i <package>11:49
andrilKaimon: any help on trying to find out which build I have?11:50
sapslartibartfast: unfortunately, i've only had ubuntu installed for a couple of hours and although my wifi card seems to have been detected fine (like yours) I'm unable to test it since I don't have an access point here.11:50
sapslartibartfast: is the wifi led light on?11:51
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slartibartfastsap: ah.  mine detects fine and the gnome wireless link monitor even shows a signal after bootup11:51
sapslartibartfast: so what's the problem?11:52
Kamionandril: if you spell my nick correctly, it'll autohighlight and I'll see your message more quickly. :)11:52
slartibartfastsap: unfortunately, as soon as i try to configure it for my network, the monitor switches over to N/A11:52
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andrilKamion: sorry11:53
LinuxJonesCan someone offer an explanation as to why there are no default document templates with gnome 2.8 ?11:54
Kamionandril: anyway, I think there's a date on one of the boot screens that should help to identify it; otherwise, cat /cdrom/.disk/info for the date.11:54
hartbrkrhas anyone had any luck with linux and the tv-out on ATI Radeon 7500 video cards?11:54
KosaiLinuxJones: What is a document template?11:54
LinuxJonesKosai, when you right click and goto > Created Document ... There are no predefined file types like .txt file for example.11:55
andrilKamion: Thanks alot11:56
slartibartfastsap: I added the eth1 device to Computer -> System Configuration -> Networking, but that didn't seem to help.11:56
andrillet me try11:57
andrilsee you al in a bit11:57
slartibartfastback in a bit11:57
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