[12:00] <will> oikl: i try and write them down!
[12:01] <crimsun> oik1: bootlogd should take care of that, not sure if a bug has been filed
[12:01] <Markus_> this is a bug? ;o) that would be too bad, I you really wanna get stable this month ;o) i report it, ok!
[12:01] <Kamion> obviously it's a bug when some piece of hardware doesn't work :)
[12:02] <carmen> so...upgraded from 'another' distro where i was using XFCE. which pkg can i dpkg-reconfigure (already tried gnome-session) to setup a proper .xsession... echo gnome-session > .xsession just got me a progress bar...
[12:04] <Markus_> but THIS BUG would be a shame for a debian based dist ;o)
[12:04] <crimsun> oik1: does the system actually boot?
[12:04] <will> oikl: my errors are in /var/log/kern.log have a look
[12:04] <oik1> crimsun: looking at the bootlogd startup script, it seems the boot messages should end up in /var/log/boot. Is it a bug that /var/log/boot doesn't exist?
[12:04] <oik1> crimsun: Oh yes the system boots. I'm using it now :-)
[12:05] <crimsun> oik1: given the circumstances, no, because bootlogd is not being run
[12:05] <siretart> Markus_: serial mice are impossible to autodetect and quite uncommon with modern hardware. my notebook doesnt even have a serial port!
[12:05] <oik1> siretart: windows detects my serial mouse
[12:06] <Markus_> yes! ;o) *lol*
[12:06] <crimsun> oik1: then it's not critical :) If those messages in the logs bother you, you could try booting w/ "nolapic" or "noapic"
[12:06] <Kamion> we don't use mdetect because we thought that all mice would work with /dev/input/mice nowadays
[12:06] <carmen> oh well, massive --purge of gnome* and reinstall did it, would have hojped for a less bandwidth intensive solution. anyways nice work guys. its amazing how out of date 'sid' was..
[12:06] <Kamion> if this isn't the case, we need to know about it
[12:07] <oik1> crimsun: I kind of figured it wasn't that critical... so I shouldn't file a bug report?
[12:07] <crimsun> oik1: i don't deem it necessary at this stage
[12:07] <oik1> OK
[12:07] <Kamion> siretart: I believe mdetect can detect serial mice, although you might have to move the mouse while it does so, not sure.
[12:08] <oik1> but the bootlog thing - that's pretty bad
[12:08] <siretart> Kamion: ah. good to hear.
[12:08] <will> i have no bootlog /var/log/boot
[12:09] <crimsun> correct, because bootlogd is not being run
[12:09] <Kamion> and it could be that we just need to make sure sermouse is loaded when X is configured.
[12:09] <crimsun> so it's not a bug that /var/log/boot doesn't exist ;)
[12:09] <Markus_> OK THANKS ;o)
[12:10] <Markus_> mdetect was the thing I needed! ;o)
[12:10] <will> good! so how do you run bootlogd
[12:10] <Kamion> will: see /etc/default/bootlogd
[12:10] <will> Kamion: thanks
[12:10] <Markus_> Protocol "Microsoft" Device "/dev/ttyS0" ;o)
[12:11] <Markus_> thanks to all
[12:11] <Kamion> you're welcome
[12:12] <oik1> does bootlogd log the shutdown messages as well? I get a bad-looking error on shutdown
[12:13] <tortoise__> does anyone know why the bootloader and runlevel editors arnt included in the ubunto gnome-system-tools package??
[12:14] <manou> hello
[12:14] <balex> hi
[12:14] <manou> :)
[12:14] <oik1> hi
[12:14] <balex> xD
[12:14] <tck> lo
[12:14] <will> hi
[12:14] <will> holla
[12:14] <t35t0r> MOBUNTU!!!
[12:14] <phosphorgreen> elo.
[12:14] <will> brb
[12:15] <t35t0r> ojo oagadogou olumfombre
[12:15] <phosphorgreen> still having probs with nvidia 3d drivers. Any1 ideas for ubuntu on amd64?
[12:15] <phosphorgreen> are they b0rked?
[12:15] <t35t0r> phosphorgreen, no
[12:15] <t35t0r> join in #ubuntu-amd64
[12:15] <phosphorgreen> good ;)
[12:15] <manou> I'm having a little sound problem on ubuntu for quake3, the usual /dev/dsp gives no sound, any idea for which device in /dev I should use ?
[12:16] <manou> but sound is working nice with all other software
[12:16] <t35t0r> ls -l /dev/sound 
[12:16] <jh|work> does it have proper permissions?
[12:16] <jh|work> oh
[12:17] <manou> t35t0r, there is no /dev/sound
[12:17] <t35t0r> ok good
[12:18] <crimsun> manou: lsmod|grep snd-pcm-oss
[12:18] <manou> ok
[12:18] <crimsun> manou: actually, grep oss
[12:19] <crimsun> (it slipped my mind that lsmod uses underscores instead of hyphens for the new module-init-tools)
[12:19] <SamBozo> anyone installed java successfully ? I get a missing library error 
[12:19] <riley> If i have two linux systems that are both on the same netgroup with the same workgroup and can both see themselves with smbclient -L <server name>, what could be keeping them from seeing each other?
[12:19] <manou> crimsun, it gives nothing
[12:20] <crimsun> manou: which grep command?
[12:20] <crimsun> err, which grep parameter?
[12:20] <manou> crimsun, lsmod|grep snd-pcm-oss
[12:20] <SamBozo> riley if they are both linux nfs will work
[12:20] <crimsun> manou: try replacing the hyphens with underscores
[12:20] <crimsun> manou: or just grep for 'oss'
[12:20] <manou> okay
[12:20] <riley> SamBozo: nfs?  sorry, i'm a bit of a newb to linux
[12:21] <manou> snd_pcm_oss            48168  0
[12:21] <manou> snd_mixer_oss          16640  3 snd_pcm_oss
[12:21] <manou> snd_pcm                85540  3 snd_usb_audio,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss
[12:21] <manou> snd                    50148  12 snd_usb_audio,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
[12:23] <manou> crimsun, in dev I found /dev/sndstat -> /proc/asound/oss/sndstat
[12:24] <crimsun> manou: ok. Does quake3 refuse to finish loading, or does it load but no sound plays?
[12:24] <phosphorgreen> does anyone know what the name of the package for kernel-source is called in synaptic for the 2.6.8.1-3-amd64 kernel?
[12:24] <Kamion> phosphorgreen: linux-source-2.6.8.1
[12:24] <phosphorgreen> hmm don't think i can see that in synaptic
[12:25] <phosphorgreen> can see linux-source-2.6 but not 2.6.8.1
[12:25] <Kamion> phosphorgreen: it's not on the CD
[12:25] <manou> crimsun, it loads but no sound
[12:25] <phosphorgreen> i enabled universe
[12:25] <Kamion> but I doubt linux-source-2.6 is either
[12:25] <Kamion> it's not in universe
[12:25] <phosphorgreen> where do i get it from then?
[12:25] <Kamion> main
[12:25] <t35t0r> ummm
[12:25] <Kamion> CD < main
[12:25] <t35t0r> how is the source not provided on the CD??
[12:26] <Kamion> t35t0r: because we have distinctly finite space there
[12:26] <Kamion> t35t0r: the kernel headers are provided on the CD
[12:26] <t35t0r> and do you know that's a violation of GPL
[12:26] <Kamion> t35t0r: it is not a GPL violation.
[12:26] <crimsun> that is SO not a violation of the GPL
[12:26] <crimsun> please stop the FUD, thanks.
[12:26] <t35t0r> heheh
[12:26] <t35t0r> ok just checking
[12:26] <Kamion> We don't provide any other source on the CD either.
[12:26] <t35t0r> :>
[12:26] <Kosai> t35t0r: I think you should check you know what you're talking about before telling developers how the GPL works.  :)
[12:27] <Kamion> I imagine we're using clause 3(b).
[12:27] <calc> fabbione: the build that you told me to do works fine
[12:27] <calc> fabbione: so it seems -O2 isn't the issue then?
[12:28] <calc> i guess 50min to compile xfree86 on a laptop isn't too bad
[12:28] <WW_> Have there been any problem reported today with the latest update of Evolution?
[12:29] <crimsun> chris and his snooty amd64 laptop *sniff*  :P
[12:29] <_brandx_> WW_ its been working good so far for me today..
[12:29] <phosphorgreen> btw peeps: i went into aptitude today and pressed g and now it's gone off and is on a 5hr install of a bazillion packages, is this right?
[12:30] <phosphorgreen> i didn't ask it to install anything
[12:32] <WW_> I experimented with a few settings in Evolution Mail, but I thought I put them all back when I quit.  When I started Evolution Mail again, it didn't appear, and my CPU utilization maxed out. 
[12:33] <WW_> More weird stuff happened when I tried logging out and back in--my usual background was gone, and my panels were gone.
[12:33] <t35t0r> Kosai, so if phosphorgreen paid for the binary cd he can get the source cd for about the same price?
[12:33] <manou> crimsun, no idea ?
[12:33] <crimsun> manou: does quake3 spit out mmap errors during sound init?
[12:34] <aitrus> anyone have any idea why keyboard shortcuts i've defined (using the "Keyboard Shortcuts" app) don't work (even after logging out and back in)?
[12:34] <WW_> I had to reboot to get back to normal.  I haven't tried Evolution again yet.
[12:34] <crimsun> manou: sorry, i'm active in a number of channels, so i'm doing the 'round-robin'...
[12:34] <WW_> Here goes...
[12:34] <manou> crimsun, wait I check
[12:34] <manou> crimsun, np :)
[12:35] <Kamion> t35t0r: the source doesn't fit on a single CD, but I should think so, yes; we'll need to tidy up the source CD images a little before release.
[12:35] <Kamion> t35t0r: but note that we'll never be charging for Ubuntu, anyway.
[12:35] <t35t0r> ya
[12:36] <WW_> Well, it appears to be working again.  I wouldn't know how to begin to file a bug about this... "Uh, some weird sh*t happened..."
[12:37] <t35t0r> WW: start by noting the error messages ?
[12:37] <sato___> hi, anyone can help me? i'm getting mad installing Nvidia Drivers...
[12:37] <t35t0r> sato___, ubuntu probably didn't automatically install the kernel headers in the appropriate places
[12:37] <WW_> t35t0r: I didn't see any error messages.
[12:38] <t35t0r> sato___, but i hear they're on the cd
[12:38] <sato___> and how i can install it?
[12:38] <t35t0r> heh i don't know
[12:38] <sato___> xD 
[12:38] <t35t0r> find them first
[12:39] <AndersAA> apt-cache search headers, I think it's in the faq what the package is called
[12:39] <t35t0r> find /mnt/cdrom -name "*header*"
[12:39] <Kamion> sato___: install the 'linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3' package
[12:39] <t35t0r> hehe
[12:39] <Kamion> sato___: or linux-headers-2.6.8.1-2 if you're installing off the preview release CD
[12:40] <sato___> ok, ...
[12:41] <WW_> Sorry if I missed something, but why do you need the headers to install Nvidia drivers?  (That's what sato___ asked about, isn't it?)
[12:41] <bestadvocate> sato____ add the word "nvidia" to etc/somethingmodules
[12:41] <t35t0r> nvidia blank against the kernel headers ...developers can probably insert the blank i'm not too sure what it's doing
[12:41] <Kamion> WW_: if you're compiling third-party drivers, you usually need kernel headers. I don't know if the NVIDIA driver installation process involves compiling things.
[12:42] <t35t0r> Kamion, they are binaries so i never understood what exactly it was doing
[12:42] <bestadvocate> theres an article about it, i was linked to it from distrowatch.com
[12:42] <Kamion> if they're binaries I would be amazed if it needed the kernel headers
[12:42] <WW_> Ubuntu already has the drivers in nvidia-glx (except for AMD64).
[12:43] <manou> crimsun, I got this error : sound initialization -------
[12:43] <manou> /dev/dsp: Broken pipe
[12:43] <manou> Could not toggle.
[12:43] <t35t0r> i wonder if it would be possible to trap calls from the nvidia drivers to hardware and reverse engineer them that way
[12:43] <t35t0r> heheh
[12:43] <bestadvocate> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8407&page=4  is the article
[12:44] <t35t0r> that doesn't talk about what its doing with headers
[12:44] <crimsun> manou: whoa.
[12:45] <WW_> sato___: Have you already seen this: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:45] <sato___> hmmm
[12:45] <sato___> no
[12:45] <sato___> i'm lost 
[12:45] <mation> manou: when you do a lsmod, does it show snd_pcm_oss?
[12:46] <sato___> /etc/somethingmodules exists?
[12:46] <manou> crimsun, I'm wondering how to know what dev other apps like totem are using cause all are working nice
[12:46] <bestadvocate> i cant wait till Xorg is in the distro!
[12:46] <crimsun> bestadvocate: heh, the difference is mostly psychological
[12:47] <manou> crimsun, yes : snd_pcm_oss            48168  0
[12:49] <WW_> sato___: The file is /etc/modules.  See the instructions in the wiki.
[12:51] <manou> crimsun, oops thought that was you who talked me :)
[12:51] <bestadvocate> but thats ok with me, im a psycho
[12:52] <Ex-Cyber> RFC: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:52] <bestadvocate> this distro and vidalinux have me hopping around with excitement
[12:53] <matt__> Ex-Cyber: highly needed
[12:55] <imka> i love rhythmbox
[12:57] <Kamion> Ex-Cyber: might be worth adding that the MP3 patent is being actively enforced
[12:57] <theantix> I also love rhythmbox :-)
[12:58] <richnrockvillemd> ? rhythmbox?
[12:59] <bagpuss_> Kamion: the NVIDIA driver installation requires the kernel headers, yes
[01:00] <Kamion> bagpuss_: I assume, then, that it isn't just binaries?
[01:00] <calc> Kamion: the mp3 decode patent is being actively enforced?
[01:01] <Kamion> calc: against people who actually have money, we understand so, yes
[01:01] <Kamion> calc: AFAIK it isn't being enforced against non-commercial free software
[01:01] <bagpuss_> Kamion: it's a binary library with an interface that gets compiled against the running kernel I think.  I don't know the details though since it's proprietary
[01:01] <calc> may need to add that all java is now patent encumbered, since kodak won its lawsuit
[01:01] <theantix> richnrockvillemd, the default music jukebox application in Ubuntu
[01:02] <Kamion> bagpuss_: that sounds slightly more believable
[01:02] <t35t0r> kodak won the lawsuit because it was held in rochester
[01:02] <t35t0r> rochest is kodak headquarters everyone on the jury works for kodak or knows someone who does
[01:02] <t35t0r> not to mention that patent was a POS
[01:03] <calc> also what about freetype is its patented stuff disabled now?
[01:03] <t35t0r> the town was in an uproar when the walmart started selling fujifilm
[01:03] <t35t0r> i hope kodak dies
[01:03] <t35t0r> and rochester along with it
[01:04] <Ex-Cyber> calc: d'oh! somehow I completely forgot about that :/
[01:04] <WareX> Does anyone know if I need a package to get bass and treble in my sound card? I raised the bass and treble through alsamixer but no luck. Any help?
[01:05] <calc> and aiui valgrind uses many things that are patented (if its included as well...)
[01:05] <manou> ok crimsun, I got to leave, thanks for your help
[01:05] <calc> pretty much anything you can find is patented
[01:05] <manou> bye bye ubuntu lovers :)
[01:05] <calc> so just exclude what you think likely will be sued over
[01:05] <t35t0r> software patenting is horrendous
[01:05] <azeem> "How do you tell if a piece of software violates a patent? Run wc -l on
[01:05] <azeem> the source; if the number is greater than 1000, it probably does."
[01:05] <azeem>                 -- Nat Friedman
[01:05] <HrdwrBoB> WareX: might not be supported properly in the driver
[01:06] <Kamion> calc: that's exactly what we're doing
[01:06] <Ex-Cyber> azeem: heh
[01:06] <calc> Kamion: ok :)
[01:06] <Kamion> calc: we talked about MP3 in some depth at the last conference
[01:06] <Ex-Cyber> it would be funny if it wasn't true
[01:06] <richnrockvillemd> Theantix, thanks..
[01:06] <calc> ok
[01:06] <tberman> what package is gtk-demo in?
[01:06] <t35t0r> who needs mp3 anyways when you have ogg now?
[01:06] <WareX> oh boy thanks hrdwrbob
[01:07] <|trey|> t35t0r: pretty much everyone  :/
[01:07] <calc> t35t0r: nearly anyone using a portable player
[01:07] <Ex-Cyber> sadly Ogg support is lacking in portables
[01:07] <Ex-Cyber> err
[01:07] <calc> outside of that its not a big deal
[01:07] <t35t0r> calc: many portables have ogg
[01:07] <Ex-Cyber> Ogg/Vorbis support
[01:07] <calc> t35t0r: one brand from what i recall
[01:07] <HrdwrBoB> erm
[01:07] <calc> well two
[01:07] <t35t0r> it is lacking but it is catching no
[01:07] <t35t0r> err on
[01:07] <calc> rio highend stuff and that other brand (i forgot)
[01:07] <Ex-Cyber> plus MP3-capable CD players
[01:07] <|trey|> t35t0r: I listen to shoutcast playlists due to reinstalling too often... show me one that doesn't suck, and uses OGG.
[01:07] <HrdwrBoB> I have evo an 1.4 config I want timport
[01:07] <HrdwrBoB> *to import
[01:07] <HrdwrBoB> but.. it doesn't see it
[01:08] <Ex-Cyber> many are supporting WMA now, but that's moving in the wrong direction
[01:08] <t35t0r> |trey|, that's because all the pirated jonx is in mp3
[01:08] <t35t0r> but the point is we don't need mp3 anymore
[01:08] <t35t0r> not that it exists
[01:08] <|trey|> t35t0r: thats besides the point... OGG is not useful yet, and it would surprise me if it is any time soon...
[01:08] <t35t0r> it's not useful? hhahaha
[01:08] <calc> too bad ogg wasn't around at that time ;)
[01:09] <t35t0r> simply because IE doesn't support PNG doesn't mean its not useful
[01:09] <|trey|> t35t0r: umm... I have never heard a song I like in OGG format... that to me = unuseful.
[01:09] <HrdwrBoB> yeah ogg is totally useless.. you know, despite the fact that in terms of use it's almost exactly the same as mp3
[01:09] <Tomcat_> It's not...
[01:09] <t35t0r> |trey|, what if i put a song you like in ogg format
[01:09] <Tomcat_> Ogg is 2nd generation... it can do the same as MP3 in half the size.
[01:09] <smeggy> lol |trey| thats a stupid excuse.
[01:09] <t35t0r> |trey|, that's the dumbest thing i've heard
[01:10] <calc> http://wiki.xiph.org/VorbisHardware
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> Tomcat_: that's a massive overstatement
[01:10] <|trey|> t35t0r: then I still have over a million more songs that aren't.
[01:10] <smeggy> Ogg is simply another format.  Its like Vinyl and CD's..
[01:10] <bestadvocate> wow my school is giving me internet slower than 3 kps
[01:10] <smeggy> Tho not quality wise.
[01:10] <Lotmr> hey hrdwr!
[01:10] <Lotmr> you are here
[01:10] <|trey|> smeggy: not at all, if I have no music to listen to in OGG format, and no one uses it... its not useful.
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> hello
[01:10] <calc> use m4a its not open and not mp3 either :)
[01:10] <Tomcat_> HrdwrBoB: I'm not an audio guru, but 64 kbit Oggs sound great, while 64 kbit MP3s sound like hell.
[01:10] <joem> lots of people use ogg format
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> Lotmr: unfortunately I'm really busy atm :(
[01:10] <t35t0r> |trey|, is a broken car useful to you?
[01:10] <Lotmr> :(
[01:10] <|trey|> t35t0r: no
[01:11] <HrdwrBoB> Tomcat_: true :) but it's not a magic twice as good :)
[01:11] <|trey|> What was the point of that question?
[01:11] <t35t0r> |trey|, do you know how many people around the world would love to get your junk
[01:11] <t35t0r> |trey|, simply because it's not useful to you doesn't mean its not useful
[01:11] <|trey|> t35t0r: let them have it, if I can't use it, its not useful to me
[01:11] <Tomcat_> HrdwrBoB: Maybe not... ;)
[01:11] <t35t0r> for you ya
[01:11] <Tomcat_> Well, bed.
[01:12] <|trey|> t35t0r: I hope someday ogg is just as popular or moreso then mp3, but today, you need mp3
[01:12] <t35t0r> |trey|, i don't doubt that but whenever i can use an ogg over an mp3 i'll do it
[01:12] <t35t0r> i'll make sure my next player has ogg support
[01:12] <|trey|> I don't download (steal) music, I don't rip cd's... my only source for music is shoutcast.
[01:13] <t35t0r> it's far superior anyways
[01:13] <calc> ogg will probably become more popular with the rise of linux desktop use, since mp3 encoders aren't distributed with the dists
[01:13] <t35t0r> |trey|, same here
[01:13] <t35t0r> calc, ya redhat stopped in rh9 i think
[01:13] <HrdwrBoB> if and when ipods support ogg
[01:13] <calc> my first player supported ogg but the second one didn't :\
[01:13] <HrdwrBoB> mp3s will decline
[01:13] <calc> the iomega hipzip with secret firmware
[01:14] <t35t0r> calc, hehe it's prolly running nix
[01:14] <|trey|> The easiest to patent format will always be the most popular. Ogg will never be the most popular format because record companies etc can't patent it.
[01:14] <t35t0r> it wouldn't be too difficult to make a player with a dsp that runs a nix based system
[01:14] <calc> t35t0r: no but someone (name withheld) sent me the secret one that he wrote
[01:15] <t35t0r> |trey|, also i don't think has any DRM
[01:15] <calc> it was the first device to support ogg
[01:15] <t35t0r> i don't think OGG has an DRM
[01:15] <HrdwrBoB> neither does mp3
[01:15] <calc> ipod uses m4p for drm
[01:15] <t35t0r> no but he was talking about proprietary formats in general
[01:15] <mjr> There was actually some firm who were doing a DRM'd ogg spec. I don't know what happened to them.
[01:15] <atomsk> any way to change the keyboard layout to french canadian? I think I picked wrong one during installation...
[01:16] <mjr> (nor do I remember their name)
[01:16] <t35t0r> atomsk, xf86config ?
[01:16] <t35t0r> atomsk, xf86cfg
[01:17] <t35t0r> atomsk, but you don't need to go through the whole thing you can look at the different keyboard types and fix it manually in XF86Config
[01:17] <mjr> ah, here, if somebody's interested (this is not an endorsement, just fyi :) : http://www.sidespace.com/products/oggs/
[01:17] <atomsk> t35t0r: yeah but I'd like to change it on console also...
[01:17] <t35t0r> mjr: i would like a car player with external input +ogg
[01:18] <atomsk> is there a way to reconfigure the base system like Debian?
[01:18] <|trey|> atomsk: Ubuntu IS Debian, the same things apply.
[01:18] <Se7h> i have zlib installed
[01:18] <|trey|> atomsk: so yes, base-config etc exist.
[01:18] <Se7h> but configure returns me that i dont have it
[01:18] <Se7h> whats wrong ?
[01:19] <|trey|> Se7h: likely wrong version.
[01:19] <atomsk> |trey|: yeah...I did try "dpkg-reconfigure base-config" but it didnt work...
[01:19] <azeem> atomsk: just run base-config
[01:19] <calc> t35t0r: http://phatbox.sixpak.org/phatbox/ogg.phtml
[01:19] <Se7h> |trey| its the one from repository
[01:19] <Se7h> :|
[01:19] <atomsk> thanks guys
[01:19] <|trey|> Se7h: thats irrelivent... 
[01:20] <|trey|> Se7h: what does it ask for, what you are feeding it?
[01:21] <|trey|> Se7h: apt-get install auto-apt > auto-apt search <the file its looking for>
[01:21] <|trey|> its probably wanting zlib-dev
[01:21] <t35t0r> calc, i don't want one that crazy ..i just need something that can play ogg cd's and has external input, currently my jensen which i got for $119 is great does mp3, and has external input can't beat that value
[01:21] <bestadvocate> actually |trey| it seems to have broken a bit more from debian than vidalinux has from gentoo
[01:21] <calc> t35t0r: oh
[01:22] <|trey|> bestadvocate: you're wrong, but ok, thanks for the input.
[01:22] <azeem> bestadvocate: what's vidalinux?
[01:22] <t35t0r> calc, i don't need a mobile ipod hehe ..sometimes i just hook my laptop to the thing and it's even better sound quality than off a cd
[01:22] <|trey|> skvidal: Hey Seth, hows Yum coming along?  :)
[01:22] <t35t0r> calc, i mean a mobile hard drive
[01:22] <calc> t35t0r: appears that is only one listed that can play ogg in a car
[01:22] <skvidal> |trey|: not badly
[01:22] <|trey|> skvidal: thats not peticularly reasuring ;)
[01:23] <t35t0r> calc, what happened to jensen anywas? got bought out by audiovox ..their website is nonexistant
[01:23] <calc> no idea
[01:23] <skvidal> I'm curious if ubuntu offers anything like kickstart - unattended, mass roll out on  heterogeneous hardware
[01:23] <HrdwrBoB> skvidal: not yet
[01:23] <skvidal> |trey|: umm, okay
[01:23] <HrdwrBoB> skvidal: that will be offered with the next release
[01:23] <skvidal> HrdwrBoB: is it intended?
[01:23] <|trey|> skvidal: there are plans... not yet though...
[01:23] <t35t0r> calc, jensen is great for the price i haven't had any many problems which simply turning the thing on and off didn't fix
[01:23] <skvidal> HrdwrBoB: hmm. how will it handle interactive packages?
[01:23] <HrdwrBoB> so, in about 7 months (for a full stable version)
[01:23] <skvidal> HrdwrBoB: hmm, okay
[01:24] <t35t0r> the AUX input just beats anything ..i mean you can hook up an ipod to it
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> the way debs work, nothing needs intereaction
[01:24] <|trey|> skvidal: umm, answer the questions?
[01:24] <skvidal> HrdwrBoB: I thought you had to answer debconf rules to do that?
[01:24] <t35t0r> i don't have one though ..i need to get one heh
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> skvidal: why does a person have to answer debconf?
[01:24] <|trey|> skvidal: nah, run with "low" priority sometime...
[01:25] <|trey|> skvidal: debconf askes as much or as little as its told to...
[01:25] <skvidal> HrdwrBoB: last time I played with debian - you needed to set debconf down fairly lowly so something wouldn't block on a package install
[01:25] <skvidal> HrdwrBoB: i was curious if that's been resolved -that's why I was asking
[01:25] <HrdwrBoB> ah
[01:25] <HrdwrBoB> well, since it hasn't really been done yet
[01:25] <zenwhen> :) :)
[01:25] <skvidal> HrdwrBoB: :-D
[01:26] <skvidal> HrdwrBoB: good answer. :)
[01:26] <HrdwrBoB> I daresay we will find out :)
[01:26] <skvidal> HrdwrBoB: cool. I'll lurk on the website from time to time and see what comes out of it
[01:26] <HrdwrBoB> but in any case, it is planned, and the idea is NO interaction whatsoever
[01:26] <HrdwrBoB> cool
[01:26] <skvidal> |trey|, HrdwrBoB: thanks for the info
[01:26] <skvidal> gnite
[01:27] <bestadvocate> azeem desktop.vidalinux.com
[01:27] <q2> Hey all!
[01:27] <|trey|> bestadvocate: no one cares dude, shut up about gentoo.
[01:27] <q2> |trey| HAHAHAHH!
[01:27] <azeem> |trey|: I do
[01:27] <azeem> just curious though
[01:27] <|trey|> azeem: well take him to a /msg then...
[01:27] <|trey|> azeem: if you install it, within a week, you will be wishing you didn't...
[01:28] <q2> |trey, you havin a bad day?
[01:28] <|trey|> azeem: vidalinux = gentoo with a hacked up anaconda... works about 1/4 of the time...
[01:28] <azeem> aha
[01:29] <bestadvocate> their comprable to eachother due to their being highly improved instalations, and more magic-config focused versions of famous awesome super-not-so-user-friendly distros
[01:29] <Lotmr> okay um...im having some problems compiling anything in ubuntu
[01:29] <Ex-Cyber> I consider Debian user-friendly, but that may have something to do with Slackware being my first distro
[01:29] <Lotmr> im trying to compile mono
[01:30] <Lotmr> but it tells me the compiler cant
[01:30] <|trey|> bestadvocate: umm, Ubuntu and Debian use the same installer.
[01:30] <joem> Lotmr, there are mono packages available
[01:30] <Kamion> Lotmr: have you installed the build-essential package?
[01:30] <Kamion> I bet you're missing libc6-dev
[01:30] <bestadvocate> ubuntu has way bether ethos though!
[01:30] <|trey|> wtf is an ethos?
[01:31] <Kamion> bestadvocate: dude, Ubuntu has many of the same core developers as Debian. :-)
[01:31] <bestadvocate> ok
[01:31] <ForsaKen`> hello, im looking for the command to configure my network, what would that command be ?
[01:32] <bestadvocate> sorry
[01:32] <|trey|> bestadvocate: Ubuntu = prettified Debian ... thats pretty much it  :/
[01:32] <jasona90> anyone know a good site for setting up Iptables
[01:32] <Lotmr> kamion, i have libc6-dev installed
[01:32] <azeem> |trey|: and it doesn't have a non-free section... yet.
[01:32] <|trey|> Vidalinux = Gentoo for people who are a little slow.
[01:33] <ForsaKen`> hello, im looking for the command to configure my network, what would that command be ?
[01:34] <crimsun> ForsaKen`: $EDITOR /etc/network/interfaces
[01:34] <|trey|> azeem: yet? surely those things are going into Universe? don't make the repo lines as long as Yum lines, please  :)
[01:34] <ForsaKen`> there is an interfaced command no? like in the ubuntu installation when it asks you
[01:35] <|trey|> ForsaKen`: the installer tries to guess... if its wrong, you edit the file you were just pointed at.
[01:35] <azeem> ForsaKen`: maybe the network-setup from the gnome-system-tools is installed, not sure
[01:35] <|trey|> azeem: it is  :)
[01:35] <|trey|> (by default)
[01:36] <|trey|> ahh, wait, thats network-admin, guessing there is a difference?
[01:36] <bestadvocate> |tray| ethos is the plural form of ethics
[01:37] <azeem> network-admin is the one I was talking about
[01:37] <azeem> bestadvocate: really?
[01:37] <azeem> didn't know that
[01:37] <|trey|> bestadvocate: how are ubuntu's ethics better then Debians? they are hardly different
[01:38] <Kamion> bestadvocate: not really, ethos is a Greek singular noun from which the English word ethics is derived
[01:39] <|trey|> If they differed too much, I would not be using Ubuntu. I like the idea of including things people need, but thats the only way they differ...
[01:39] <Kamion> (The Greek plural of ethos is ethoi.)
[01:40] <Kamion> |trey|: the plurality of *ics is a bit ambiguous in English sometimes ... anyway, this is straying off-topic rather a lot
[01:40] <bestadvocate> |tray| actually let me correct myself its not the plural, its the descriptive term "you have good ethics" is equal to "you have a good ethos"
[01:41] <|trey|> Kamion: hah, yeah... still on the course for knowledge though, so I think its ok  :)
[01:42] <azeem> 'bringing humanity to others'
[01:42] <Lotmr> holy shit the dependancies for mono are insane
[01:42] <Lotmr> ubuntu really has to widen its apt repositories
[01:42] <Lotmr> can i use standard debian packages?
[01:42] <azeem> Depends: Patent-21234124, Patent-1223494, Patent-23829344
[01:42] <|trey|> Lotmr: umm... its as wide as you make it...
[01:43] <bestadvocate> |trey| i was comparing to vidialinux not to debian
[01:43] <|trey|> Lotmr: yes, just don't include "main" as this is covered by ubuntu's main and universe
[01:43] <bestadvocate> thanks Kamion I did not know that
[01:44] <|trey|> Lotmr: there isn't much overlap between Ubuntu's main and universe and debians contrib and non-free though...
[01:45] <|trey|> If any at all...
[01:45] <HrdwrBoB> erm
[01:45] <HrdwrBoB> so.. any idea on wtf evolution won't import my config :(
[01:46] <nothing23> how easy is it to replace xfree4.3.99 with xorg? I can't get xfree to work at all with my iBook
[01:47] <HrdwrBoB> nothing23: it's as easy as kissing your elbow
[01:47] <t35t0r> nothing23, what kind of video card is in that ibook?
[01:47] <nothing23> radeon m7
[01:47] <sladen> nothing23: can you file a bug about it.  It should "just work" (lots of the developers have PowerBooks)
[01:47] <t35t0r> you might need to use frame buffer
[01:47] <nothing23> yeah, I was having problem with xfree when I had gentoo on it too
[01:47] <nothing23> aight
[01:47] <bestadvocate> lol dictionary.com had an example that is perfect for a bunch of anti-propritary dudes like ourselves ?They cultivated a subversive alternative ethos? 
[01:47] <nothing23> i'll try that thanks
[01:47] <|trey|> nothing23: kinda hard... mainly because I am not aware of a xorg repo for debian yet  :/
[01:48] <nothing23> ah
[01:48] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: because it doesn't exist
[01:48] <HrdwrBoB> the next release will be xorg
[01:48] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB: thats kinda what I am implying  ;)
[01:48] <t35t0r> xorg 6.8 or 6.7?
[01:48] <|trey|> t35t0r: either
[01:49] <t35t0r> 6.8 has some nice features above 6.7
[01:49] <HrdwrBoB> t35t0r: it will be 6.8
[01:49] <t35t0r> 6.7 was just like ..we are xorg and this is our product
[01:49] <|trey|> t35t0r: k, well, if you find me a .deb for it, I will try them out, k?
[01:49] <t35t0r> there are debs for everything
[01:49] <daniels> there are no x.org deb sources right now
[01:49] <|trey|> t35t0r: negatory... I have been looking for the last ~1 year...
[01:50] <daniels> the next release, Hoary, will feature X.Org, and this will enter Hoary during its development cycle
[01:50] <t35t0r> maybe not for ubuntu but i'm sure there are for debian
[01:50] <daniels> t35t0r: i was taking debian into account when I said that
[01:50] <|trey|> daniels: I'm not just talking about via Ubuntu... there isn't one for Debian AT ALL...
[01:50] <daniels> |trey|: i know.
[01:50] <Lotmr> where can i find the address for the debian libs apt repository
[01:50] <|trey|> daniels: depending on how things happen, Ubuntu might be the first debian based to even get Xorg  :)
[01:51] <daniels> |trey|: yes
[01:51] <t35t0r> daniels, |trey| hehe this why i use ...... well i won't get into that, but i learned my lesson from rh9
[01:51] <azeem> gnoppix is Debian based and had x.org for a while now
[01:51] <t35t0r> knoppix really isn't practical
[01:51] <PerfDave> I'm sure I've seen some third-party repositories for xorg compiled against Debian/unstable being mentioned on #debian.
[01:52] <t35t0r> how long does a new ubuntu come out?
[01:52] <|trey|> I heard Keith Packard was becoming a DD to help out with it actually  :/
[01:52] <Lotmr> where can i find the address for the debian libs apt repository?
[01:53] <|trey|> t35t0r: 6 months after last release
[01:53] <azeem> Lotmr: which 'debian libs'?
[01:53] <t35t0r> 6 months is a while heh
[01:53] <daniels> azeem: sigh, checkinstalling it doesn't really count, unfortunately
[01:53] <cefiro_> hey guys does Ubuntu have NTFS in kernel by default?
[01:53] <|trey|> t35t0r: matches exactly GNOME's release schedule... wonder why  :)
[01:53] <|trey|> (space so as to not bother him)
[01:53] <daniels> |trey|: yes, Keith is now a DD, but he's very busy with other commitments.  if you want, we can discuss the differences between fd.o/x.org xlibs in #freedesktop.
[01:53] <azeem> Lotmr: don't /msg me, please
[01:54] <Se7h> isn't there a ssh frontend for gnome?
[01:54] <|trey|> daniels: on my way  :)
[01:54] <azeem> Se7h: gnome-vfs can do SSH, AFAIK
[01:54] <t35t0r> does the new gnome allow me to drag windows between desktops? even in the mini multi-desktop windows in the taskbar?
[01:54] <Se7h> ok
[01:54] <Se7h> thanks
[01:54] <t35t0r> does it allow you to change the horizontal/vertical size of the toolbar?
[01:54] <jasona90> how do u set up the Iptables in Ubuntu
[01:55] <t35t0r> jasona90, iptables
[01:55] <cefiro_> hey guys does Ubuntu have NTFS in kernel by default?
[01:55] <t35t0r> jasona90, if the kernel has the support and you have the iptables cli
[01:55] <t35t0r> cefiro_, check the /boot/config-whatever file
[01:55] <t35t0r> if it exists
[01:55] <cefiro_> can I check that b4 i install?
[01:56] <t35t0r> you'd have to find a cd or ask someone who runs ubunut
[01:56] <t35t0r> hehe
[01:56] <cefiro_> that's why im here ;) lol
[01:56] <cefiro_> i'm dl'ng the cd now though
[01:56] <cc> how easy/difficult is it to make an Ubuntu LiveCD?
[01:56] <Lotmr> libicu28 where can i get it?
[01:56] <Se7h> azeem what the command line to run it?
[01:57] <t35t0r> i wonder if the contents of the ubuntu CD are decompressed and sitting somehwere from ubunutlionux.org are they?
[01:57] <azeem> Se7h: uhm, you type some sort of 'ssh://foo@server/bar' URI in the location bar or so
[01:57] <t35t0r> so i can explore it first?
[01:57] <azeem> not sure about the exact syntax
[01:57] <jasona90> cefiro_: yea Ubuntu will supporty NTFS 
[01:57] <LinuxJones> jasona90, you could install Firestarter (but I don't like it)
[01:57] <myk> a friend of mine just finished a ubuntu ppc expert install, but his xserver seems fubared -- none of the gnome apps have permission to connect to it
[01:57] <Se7h> azeem k
[01:57] <myk> any ideas?
[01:57] <cefiro_> jasona90: nice thanks
[01:58] <jasona90> cefiro_: you can not write to the drive though only read
[01:58] <Lotmr> where can i get libicu28? its not in the universe even though it should be
[01:58] <cefiro_> jasona90: can I change that?
[01:58] <t35t0r> can i look at the full decompressed iso somewhere?
[01:58] <t35t0r> online?
[01:58] <Kamion> cefiro_: NTFS write support in Linux isn't stable yet
[01:58] <Kamion> t35t0r: I don't believe so, no
[01:58] <t35t0r> Kamion, that would be nice ...
[01:59] <aitrus> Se7h: nautilus sftp://your.server.net/path/to/stuff
[01:59] <Lotmr> Kamion NTFS write was introduced with 2.6
[01:59] <Lotmr> and it seems pretty stable
[01:59] <Lotmr> i've never had any problem with it
[01:59] <Kamion> t35t0r: people would probably download it, try to mkisofs, then file bugs when it didn't work :)
[01:59] <jasona90> cefiro_: yea but its still not stable so its not recommended to alloe writing
[01:59] <myk> Lotmr: you can only read/write files that already exist
[01:59] <t35t0r> Kamion, uhhh that's dumb ...i think it's a good idea to have it somewhere
[01:59] <myk> erm, write, i mean
[01:59] <mjr> hmm; used as a rescue system, does the ubuntu cd support soft-raid5?
[01:59] <cefiro_> can I convert the FS without losing data?
[02:00] <Lotmr> backup
[02:00] <Kamion> t35t0r: don't call me dumb please. all the packages are in the archive, you can look at them independently.
[02:00] <t35t0r> Kamion, simply a matter of putting a note somewhere saying you can't burn that since it doesn't have the boot image
[02:00] <Lotmr> where can i get libicu28? its not in the universe even though it should be
[02:00] <cefiro_> I have 7 ntfs drives :/
[02:00] <t35t0r> Kamion, i didn't call you dumb .. i said people who do that would be dumb
[02:00] <Lotmr> big backup
[02:00] <Kamion> t35t0r: I am the CD image building guy.
[02:00] <LinuxJones> lol
[02:00] <jasona90> cefiro_:Uh yea you cant really change a File system without losing data
[02:00] <cefiro_> maybe I can slower convert 1 drive at a time hehe
[02:01] <cefiro_> well If I can read ok..
[02:01] <cefiro_> that's a start at least
[02:01] <jasona90> cefiro_:yea just make a fat drive if you have room
[02:01] <myk> jasona90: not true.  you can convert between ntfs/fat32 without too many troubles using partition magic
[02:01] <Kamion> anyhow, if somebody wants to do it off cdimage.ubuntulinux.org they're welcome; we won't be devoting effort to it though
[02:01] <cefiro_> ahh that's a good idea
[02:01] <t35t0r> Kamion, so i guess what i am asking is that it would be nice to be able to look at what a "default ubuntu install" looks like on someones hard drive
[02:01] <jasona90> hes talking about linux though
[02:01] <Lotmr> where can i get libicu28? its not in the universe even though it should be
[02:01] <Kamion> t35t0r: like I just said
[02:02] <Kamion> t35t0r: that's very different from what you asked for earlier, and a lot more effort if anything ...
[02:02] <cefiro_> well I still have xp on here for the time being, so I can convert to Fat32 with little problem?
[02:02] <jasona90> I have heard bad stuff About partition magic so use it with caution
[02:02] <t35t0r> Kamion, sorry to be unclear but that's what i meant ...
[02:02] <myk> Kamion: when doing a base ubuntu install, is the only way to specify a specific mirror by using an expert install?
[02:02] <Kamion> t35t0r: if you want to set that up yourself and export it, you're quite welcome.
[02:02] <t35t0r> Kamion, but i don't see how that would be diffiult
[02:03] <Kamion> t35t0r: on a daily basis? it can't be automated particularly easily, you know ...
[02:03] <t35t0r> Kamion, yea i would i just don't have a fast link to host it
[02:03] <myk> cefiro_: with tools like partition magic, yes
[02:03] <Kamion> t35t0r: I have finite time, and many bugs to fix.
[02:03] <t35t0r> Kamion, no as you said 6month releases only
[02:03] <t35t0r> Kamion, when i say "you" i didn't mean "you" but ubuntu devs in general
[02:03] <cefiro_> sounds like a plan, thanks guys
[02:03] <t35t0r> or anyone else who might have the net resources
[02:03] <Kamion> myk: believe so, yes; you can pick a mirror in synaptic after the install's finished
[02:03] <Kamion> t35t0r: all of us have finite time and many bugs to fix :-)
[02:04] <dooky> hey t35t0r 
[02:04] <t35t0r> ya
[02:04] <Lotmr> I AM GOING ISANE
[02:04] <Lotmr> SEE!?
[02:04] <Kamion> Lotmr: for NTFS status in Linux, see http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/status.html
[02:04] <HrdwrBoB> Kamion: like partition resizing being 0% for the whole duration
[02:04] <Kamion> HrdwrBoB: that depends on a number of factors
[02:04] <HrdwrBoB> I will file a bug when I get a minute
[02:04] <tck> Lotmr, nice of u to join use
[02:04] <tck> *us even
[02:05] <Kamion> HrdwrBoB: like, for a start, the filesystem :)
[02:05] <HrdwrBoB> ext2
[02:05] <Lotmr> i cannot find libicu27
[02:05] <Kamion> HrdwrBoB: that's partman's fallback mode in certain cases
[02:05] <Lotmr> er 28
[02:05] <Lotmr> IT DOES NOT EXIST
[02:05] <myk> a friend of mine just finished a ubuntu ppc expert install, but his xserver seems fubared -- none of the gnome apps have permission to connect to it
[02:05] <t35t0r> anyone using ubuntu do grep NTFS /boot/config-<tab> then msg me results plz heheh
[02:05] <azeem> Lotmr: why do you need it in the first place?
[02:05] <jasona90> anyone know where the Fluxbox puts the default Menu settings
[02:05] <Lotmr> to compile mono
[02:05] <Lotmr> and this freaking lib isnt in the universe
[02:05] <Kamion> t35t0r: you could just pick it out of linux-source-2.6.8.1_*.diff.gz
[02:06] <myk> any ideas?
[02:06] <Lotmr> i cant find it ANYWHERE
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> Kamion: ah, well I was resizing a 60 odd gb partition to 12gb, it was ext3
[02:06] <t35t0r> lotmr: what are you looking for?
[02:06] <Lotmr> libicu28
[02:06] <t35t0r> Lotmr, what are you trying to do
[02:06] <jasona90> My Menus it blank When i start FLUXBOX except for exit restart and xterm? what happed?
[02:06] <Kamion> Lotmr: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/i/icu28/
[02:06] <Lotmr> install the mono pkg
[02:06] <Lotmr> why doesnt that come up on my synaptic kamion?
[02:07] <t35t0r> Lotmr, missing dep?
[02:07] <Kamion> Lotmr: perhaps you haven't got the universe repository enabled, or perhaps you didn't update after enabling it?
[02:09] <imka> does any1 know if there'll be an official ubuntu forum?
[02:09] <azeem> imka: Kamion is working hard on it
[02:09] <imka> nice
[02:10] <Kamion> azeem: no I'm not ...
[02:10] <Kamion> I believe jdub's looking into that stuff
[02:10] <Lotmr> FINALLY
[02:10] <Lotmr> KAMION IS GOD!
[02:10] <imka> Kamion does your nick have to do smthg with UHU?
[02:10] <Kamion> imka: no
[02:10] <imka> :)
[02:10] <azeem> Kamion: oh, it was getting such a nice running-gag
[02:11] <imka> Kamion means truck in hungarian
[02:11] <Kamion> yes, I know
[02:12] <imka> ubuntu devs are gods. seriously
[02:13] <imka> if some1 would have asked me how a distro should be and they make it for me, i would have described ubuntu
[02:16] <Lotmr> i like ubuntu for desktop
[02:16] <|trey|> imka: thats pretty much the same thing here... different colors etc... but the desktop, I hate icons on the desktop, I love Debians package management... of course, sudo's use is growing on me now too  :)
[02:16] <Lotmr> but still perfer debian for server
[02:16] <toyowheelin> hello all
[02:16] <LinuxJones> toyowheelin, hi
[02:17] <toyowheelin> I have found that MS users are impatient, and I am too my self 
[02:17] <toyowheelin> lol
[02:18] <imka> ms users better be patient with the ms "release cycle" :)
[02:19] <toyowheelin> today at school one guy was like see linux sucks because my mandrake install didnt see one of the teachers portable storage devices
[02:19] <toyowheelin> and I was like uhh ok
[02:19] <toyowheelin> I gotta get the right module for that thing
[02:19] <Phr0stByte> toyowheelin: what was it?
[02:20] <toyowheelin> and of course windows instantly recognised the device so in his eyes he was right 
[02:20] <toyowheelin> Phr0stByte, it was a usb harddrive except it was a laptop hdd and portable
[02:21] <toyowheelin> the oddest thing I have ever seen
[02:21] <floo> hello
[02:21] <floo> my first time here
[02:21] <toyowheelin> it was powered by the usb electricity
[02:21] <Forsa`> hmm, what is the command to restart my eth0 ?
[02:21] <toyowheelin> hi floo
[02:21] <Forsa`> in /etc/init.d
[02:21] <Phr0stByte> toyowheelin: I have a USB drawing tablet I cant get goin either
[02:21] <HrdwrBoB> Forsa`:  you can restart 'networking'
[02:21] <toyowheelin> humm
[02:22] <Pete-Gas> is it possible to get ubuntu to authenticate with a novell server at login?
[02:22] <floo> have you tried"service network start"
[02:22] <toyowheelin> Forsa`, ifdown eth0
[02:22] <toyowheelin> ifup eth0
[02:22] <floo> without quotes obviously
[02:22] <azeem> floo: that's RedHat-specific or so I think. Are you sure this exists on Debian/Ubuntu?
[02:23] <floo> errrrrrrrr..... now you come to mention it
[02:23] <toyowheelin> actually ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 should work too
[02:24] <floo> No it doesn't work... sorry!!
[02:24] <mjr> Pete-Gas, there seems to be something called "pam_ascauth" that might work; dunno if it's included in Ubuntu. You might get better support for ldap authentication if your novell server supports that
[02:24] <toyowheelin> or maybe ifconfig eth0 down && ifconfig eth0 up
[02:25] <Phr0stByte> MS release cycle - thats funny. More like recycle lease....
[02:25] <toyowheelin> lol Phr0stByte
[02:26] <floo> I've just migrated from Madrake to Ubuntu... I think it's great!!
[02:26] <toyowheelin> me too Floo
[02:26] <mjr> Pete-Gas, yep, no pam_ascauth in ubuntu, you'd have to get it elsewhere. pam_ldap module is available.
[02:26] <toyowheelin> cept its been a few weeks now
[02:26] <floo> I like it's "desktoppiness"
[02:26] <t35t0r> floo: hehe
[02:26] <Phr0stByte> floo: same here - I've used mandrake sinse 5.x
[02:26] <t35t0r> how long ago was mandrake 5.x ?
[02:26] <Phr0stByte> many years
[02:26] <toyowheelin> I only migrated however for the 64 support
[02:26] <floo> Isn't Gnome good too
[02:26] <toyowheelin> :)
[02:26] <Phr0stByte> about 6-7
[02:27] <floo> I come from a KDE background
[02:27] <Phr0stByte> ewwwwwwwww
[02:27] <toyowheelin> floo im using KDE on ubuntu
[02:27] <smeggy> herecy!
[02:27] <toyowheelin> KDE is kick ass
[02:27] <floo> And I'm particularly happy because I've just compiled Xine and Lbreakout2 from sourse
[02:27] <floo> works great!!
[02:27] <toyowheelin> lol floo
[02:28] <clee> Phr0stByte: so what's wrong with KDE? :)
[02:28] <toyowheelin> floo my verry first compile ever was apache and perl combined
[02:28] <floo> had orblems with totem gstreamer
[02:28] <floo> wopuldn't play dvd's
[02:28] <Phr0stByte> clee: nothin - if thats what you like
[02:28] <floo> even unencrypted ones
[02:28] <jgeorgeson> i wrote some extra code in update-rc.d to list the status of a service in all the runlevels, how would I go about submitting a patch?
[02:28] <HrdwrBoB> floo: yes, totem-xine is currently recommended
[02:28] <clee> Phr0stByte: heh. so what's your problem with KDE then? :)
[02:28] <Kamion> jgeorgeson: that sort of thing should probably go to Debian
[02:29] <toyowheelin> I wish mplayer was in the distro
[02:29] <Phr0stByte> clee: I just prefer the GTK librarie as opposed to qt
[02:29] <jgeorgeson> Kamion, cool
[02:29] <clee> Phr0stByte: Dude. Have you ever written a line of code?
[02:29] <floo> well I don't need to bother now
[02:29] <hartbrkr> is ubuntu really giving away free pressed cds with no shipping or anything at all?
[02:29] <Phr0stByte> *libraries
[02:29] <clee> (and when I say "code" I mean code that uses GTK vs Qt)
[02:29] <HrdwrBoB> hartbrkr: yes
[02:29] <t35t0r> hartbrkr, yea i wonder how they can afford that
[02:29] <floo> I believe it is... but only for a limited time
[02:29] <hartbrkr> HrdwrBoB: no catches?
[02:29] <clee> heh. it's not like they're being backed by a multimillionaire or anything.
[02:29] <Phr0stByte> clee: yes
[02:29] <HrdwrBoB> hartbrkr: well the catch is that you owe ubuntu your soul
[02:30] <clee> Phr0stByte: And you can still say that you prefer GTK, with a straight face?
[02:30] <floo> It would be interesting to see if they have a presence at the expo tomorrow
[02:30] <Phr0stByte> clee: I am working on a project now
[02:30] <HrdwrBoB> but it's a small price to pay
[02:30] <toyowheelin> lol
[02:30] <t35t0r> it's FREE software you don't owe anything
[02:30] <Kamion> floo: the London one?
[02:30] <hartbrkr> HrdwrBob: them damn africans
[02:30] <t35t0r> what's the limit
[02:30] <floo> yes
[02:30] <Phr0stByte> clee: Yes
[02:30] <floo> 35,000 i think
[02:30] <hartbrkr> how is ubuntu for newbies?
[02:30] <clee> Phr0stByte: Just FYI, I'm clee@kde.org... so I think my bias is pretty obvious. :)
[02:31] <t35t0r> hartbrkr, ubuntu-nubiee 
[02:31] <Kamion> floo: I don't know if we have anybody there; I don't think there'll be a stand. I'll be down tomorrow evening to have a drink with some people I know who'll be at the expo.
[02:31] <Phr0stByte> clee: IC
[02:31] <toyowheelin> go clee
[02:31] <toyowheelin> !!!!!!
[02:31] <t35t0r> hartbrkr, do you know what a kernel is?
[02:31] <floo> ok well I'm 25 stone with a missing left hand... come up and say hello if you recognise me
[02:31] <clee> Phr0stByte: I'm always interested in finding out why people dislike KDE though. Some of the reasons can be fixed, some of them can't...
[02:31] <Phr0stByte> clee: what do you code with - QT designer?
[02:32] <clee> Phr0stByte: oh god no. I mean, I use it for mockups every now and then. But for the most part, I do my layouts by hand in code.
[02:32] <Phr0stByte> clee: IC
[02:32] <hartbrkr> t35t0r: yes
[02:32] <t35t0r> hartbrkr, ahh damnit i was hoping you'd say no ..then ubuntu would be for you hehehaha
[02:32] <toyowheelin> clee what part of the kde project do you usually work on? or is it just all of it?
[02:33] <clee> toyowheelin: I've got a few hundred lines in kdelibs and kdebase... my main claim to fame is the dotNET widget style though.
[02:33] <t35t0r> actually not knowing what a kernel is then lindows is for you
[02:33] <Phr0stByte> clee: Well, as far as coding goes, I use neither librarie - mostly into SDL for game developement
[02:33] <toyowheelin> clee cool...
[02:33] <floo> I don't dislike KDE btw... it's just that there'sno suppoert for it yet in Ubuntu
[02:33] <clee> mjr: Right, I know this. The APIs are still ... interesting
[02:33] <hartbrkr> t35t0r: I'm just looking for something small and pretty simple to learn with .. I don't have much time to use linux so I don't want to download 5 cd's
[02:34] <t35t0r> hartbrkr, ya ubuntu's pretty good for that i imagine
[02:34] <toyowheelin> floo I havent had any problems in KDE
[02:34] <floo> me neither
[02:34] <toyowheelin> no I mean in ubuntu
[02:34] <t35t0r> hartbrkr, but in general linux isn't for people without time
[02:34] <floo> no I was responding to someone else
[02:34] <clee> mjr: For example, the syntax for gtk_table_attach requires 10 arguments by default - the GTK_TABLE, the GTK_WIDGET you want to embed in the GTK_TABLE, then the left_align, right_align, top_align, bottom_align, the horizontal stretch options, the vertical stretch options, the xpadding and then the ypadding
[02:34] <imka> good nite all
[02:34] <t35t0r> hartbrkr, you get what you pay for ...you pay for it with your time getting stuff to work
[02:34] <LinuxJones> hartbrkr, have you looked @ any Live CD's they run Linux from your cdrom drive without installing.
[02:35] <Phr0stByte> clee: ever use Anjuta?
[02:35] <joem> clee, libglade?
[02:35] <clee> mjr: In Qt, you have QGridLayout::addWidget(widget, int row, int col, int alignment = 0);
[02:35] <HrdwrBoB> nothing is for people without time
[02:35] <floo> Toyowheelin hope to see you tomorrow if not will catch up with you here... goodnight everyone
[02:35] <toyowheelin> ok c ya
[02:35] <clee> the fourth argument is optional. And if you need to add a widget that spans multiple cells there's addMultiCellWidget.
[02:35] <hartbrkr> LinuxJones: I have knoppix std
[02:35] <clee> Phr0stByte: Never used it
[02:36] <toyowheelin> knoppix std is cool
[02:36] <clee> The gtk_table vs QGridLayout example is just one of many
[02:36] <clee> The GTK API makes it a lot harder to just get things done
[02:36] <clee> Not impossible, but just more difficult
[02:36] <LinuxJones> hartbrkr, ahh , knoppix makes it easy to install Linux as well.
[02:36] <joem> glade/libglade takes away some of that frustration
[02:36] <Phr0stByte> clee: I think it comes down to what you learned first and what your most comfortable with...
[02:37] <clee> Phr0stByte: The difference between ten mandatory arguments and three isn't "what you learned first"
[02:37] <clee> Phr0stByte: It's a simple matter of how much typing you want to do :)
[02:37] <Se7h> Starting NFS servers: nfsd mountd.
[02:37] <Se7h> but it seems its not running
[02:37] <Se7h> :|
[02:37] <keifer> is anyone else have problems with rythymbox giving an error about "Alsa device default alread in use by another programe"?
[02:37] <azeem> clee: it's not about the amount of arguments, it's about who's hacking on it :)
[02:37] <clee> joem: Glade as a UI designer is *sorely* lacking though
[02:38] <Phr0stByte> agreed
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> keifer: is your alsa device already in use by another program?
[02:38] <t35t0r> Se7h, what do you mean its not running can you export it to other systems?
[02:38] <clee> and libglade is neat, but we've had the equivalent in KDE for quite a while now as well.
[02:38] <joem> yea, its not the best. But it does make it easier to deal with things like {x,y}padding etc..
[02:38] <Se7h> t35t0r well, i guess its not, but whats the command to see if it is...?
[02:38] <keifer> HrdwrBoB: Nope, not that I'm awear of.
[02:38] <t35t0r> Se7h, ps -Af | grep nfs
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> keifer: if you run gstreamer-properties
[02:39] <joem> I don't have an knowledge of qt, etc..
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> see what your output is set to
[02:39] <joem> use kde once for a few weeks, thats about it
[02:39] <t35t0r> Se7h, also check ps -Af | grep portmap
[02:39] <clee> joem: I don't claim to have *intimate* knowledge of GTK, but I have learned enough about it to feel pretty comfortable with it. I've written a couple of small test apps, and read through a *lot* of the API documentation
[02:39] <Phr0stByte> I used it for a few years
[02:40] <clee> joem: I know Qt quite a bit better, obviously
[02:40] <toyowheelin> I wonder how hard it is to compile all of KDE
[02:40] <joem> heh, yea
[02:40] <clee> toyowheelin: heh. it takes a while. :)
[02:40] <keifer> set to alsa. testing the pipeline results in "Faild to construct test pipeline, blah blah blah".
[02:40] <toyowheelin> clee is it hard?
[02:40] <t35t0r> toyowheelin, there's a gentoo user doing it as we speak somewhere in the world
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> try setting it to ESD
[02:40] <clee> joem: but a lot of the things that I take for granted with Qt/KDE just don't exist with GTK
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> and testing that
[02:40] <t35t0r> hahahah
[02:41] <keifer> HrdwrBoB: now i have sound from the internal speaker, but not my usbs.
[02:41] <joem> yea, gtk does make things a bit more complicated
[02:41] <toyowheelin> t35t0r, gentoo dose alot for you tho...like oh...portage
[02:41] <clee> joem: it's not even "more complicated"
[02:41] <t35t0r> toyowheelin, yea but it basically means you have to grab the dependencies yourself or follow kde's instructions
[02:41] <clee> joem: it's "oh. that doesn't exist."
[02:41] <HrdwrBoB> keifer: usbs ?
[02:41] <keifer> yeah, I have some usb speakers.
[02:42] <joem> all distros manage packages for you
[02:42] <clee> joem: for example - you can't add or remove columns from a GtkTreeView from glade. Simply doesn't work.
[02:42] <keifer> harman/kardon soundsticks. I had it working from default in deb. kinda odd.
[02:42] <joem> clee, well thats no fun then
[02:42] <t35t0r> there are USB based speakers?!?!?
[02:42] <clee> joem: exactly.
[02:42] <toyowheelin> clee how well dose KDE 3.3 work
[02:42] <keifer> t35t0r: lol, yeah. :)
[02:42] <clee> toyowheelin: I compile from CVS daily. So... I have no idea. :)
[02:42] <toyowheelin> lol 
[02:43] <toyowheelin> humm 
[02:43] <Phr0stByte> keifer: any other USB devices working?
[02:43] <clee> 3.3 has a lot of cool stuff, but there's always new stuff in CVS, so I lose track of what makes it into the releases and what doesn't
[02:43] <keifer> erm, keyboard/mouse is.
[02:43] <|trey|> t35t0r: if they could figure out how to make it viable, there would be USB CPU's  :/
[02:43] <keifer> printer is also usb, and it's working
[02:43] <Se7h> t35t0r thanks
[02:43] <clee> the other thing that absolutely kills me about GTK (and this only really applies to the C API, as most of the others seem to have fixed it) is functions with names like gtk_icon_theme_get_default()
[02:43] <t35t0r> |trey|, and why wouldn't that be viable ..prolly a transmeta cpu could do the trick???
[02:43] <Phr0stByte> hrmmmm
[02:43] <clee> and gtk_icon_theme_get_for_screen()
[02:44] <joem> clee, yea
[02:44] <t35t0r> |trey|, since amd/intel uses ridiculous amount of power
[02:44] <joem> somebody just blogged about that 
[02:44] <clee> joem: I know, that was what triggered that little outburst. :)
[02:44] <joem> heh
[02:44] <|trey|> t35t0r: too far from mobo...
[02:45] <t35t0r> |trey|, yea but that's a good idea you just use the USB bus
[02:45] <t35t0r> |trey|, it's like clustered computing
[02:45] <clee> anyway. yeah, from a user's perspective, I can definitely see reasons to prefer GNOME. From a developer's point of view though.... I dunno, that just seems crazy to me
[02:45] <|trey|> t35t0r: damnit, I was joking  :)
[02:45] <t35t0r> |trey|, think about DISTCC ..or sending out work packets
[02:45] <toyowheelin> clee do I need to dump the current KDE i got installed to compile 3.3?
[02:45] <t35t0r> |trey|, no seriously i think you're onto something
[02:45] <clee> joem: check out http://people.redhat.com/mclasen/higdialog/comparison.html for another example of what I'm talking about. :)
[02:46] <|trey|> t35t0r: heh, even if I am, I don't have the technical know how to do it  :/
[02:46] <HrdwrBoB> um
[02:46] <clee> toyowheelin: Not necessarily; you can have multiple KDE versions concurrently installed, but it's tricky to manage
[02:46] <HrdwrBoB> I don't know if you have noticed
[02:46] <t35t0r> |trey|, I DO!!!!!
[02:46] <HrdwrBoB> but the USB bus is REALLY REALLY SLOW
[02:46] <joem> clee, yea that is crazy
[02:46] <|trey|> Would need RAM in the device though of course  :)
[02:46] <t35t0r> HrdwrBoB, forget USB ..try firewire
[02:46] <toyowheelin> well I would like to "upgrade" to 3.3
[02:46] <HrdwrBoB> still slwo
[02:46] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB: not so much with USB2.0  :/
[02:46] <t35t0r> HrdwrBoB, it doesn't matter if it can get ethernet speeds it will do the trick
[02:46] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: orders of magnitude
[02:46] <t35t0r> usb2.0 still uses the same bus
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> a CPU needs extremely high bandwidth
[02:47] <t35t0r> HrdwrBoB, think about it modular CPU units through the USB!!!
[02:47] <t35t0r> it's great for clustering
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> no
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> it' snot
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> it's a retarded idea
[02:47] <Phr0stByte> heh
[02:48] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB: Which was kinda my initial point  :/
[02:48] <t35t0r> yea that's what they said about a bazillion other inventions
[02:48] <t35t0r> that;s it i'm gonna start making it now!
[02:48] <jgeorgeson> if I have package with version 2.85-22ubuntu11, is 2.85-22 safe to assume as the debian package version? should I assume it's off the testing release?
[02:48] <|trey|> How fast is a USB bus? (I hate saying things like that, Universal Serial Bus bus, ugh)
[02:49] <t35t0r> total throughput is like 400mbps
[02:49] <HrdwrBoB> t35t0r: total theoretical maximum output
[02:49] <t35t0r> that's how clustered systems work. .the onl
[02:49] <t35t0r> i know how to solve the power problem
[02:49] <t35t0r> !! :>>>>
[02:49] <t35t0r> muahahaha
[02:50] <neighborlee> how do get cdburning apps to work....just installed xcdroast but its not finding the burner nor am I finding any info about it on faq or how-to sections ? ;-))
[02:50] <t35t0r> |trey|, you're brilliant!
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> neighborlee: you should be able to use nautilus
[02:51] <Phr0stByte> except for burning non-iso DVDs
[02:51] <neighborlee> HrdwrBoB, hmm okay ..never have but Ill give it a whirl
[02:51] <joem> nautilus should be able to burn data dvds
[02:51] <neighborlee> Phr0stByte, heh well not having  a dvd burner that wont bother me much yet ;-)heh
[02:52] <|trey|> t35t0r: hah
[02:52] <Phr0stByte> joem: yes - but not ones that will play on a DVD player
[02:54] <joem> those aren't considered data cds really
[02:54] <joem> er dvds
[02:54] <Phr0stByte> joem: I meant video DVDs
[02:55] <Phr0stByte> brb...
[02:56] <neighborlee> hmmmm ..drag and drop doesn't work for burning ? ( so far only copy/paste seems to be working)
[03:00] <TheMonoTone> gforge package is broken
[03:01] <neighborlee> is there a firefox fix yet ? ;)))..I 'updated' via the built in updater and it totally fried the window UI...I get this tiny 2x2 or so window with no way to expand it..
[03:03] <Phr0stByte> neighborlee: apt-get update
[03:03] <Phr0stByte> neighborlee: apt-get upgrade
[03:04] <neighborlee> i've done that already..few days ago
[03:04] <Phr0stByte> today
[03:04] <Phr0stByte> now
[03:04] <neighborlee> oh ok gotcha
[03:04] <neighborlee> thx
[03:05] <neighborlee> Phr0stByte, do you remember what the problem with firefox was ?
[03:05] <Phr0stByte> neighborlee: not really - some security vulberability
[03:07] <neighborlee> ok
[03:07] <neighborlee> woah 92 package upgrades...my gosy somebody has been busy LOL
[03:07] <Phr0stByte> neighborlee: There is another kernel update as well...
[03:08] <Phr0stByte> neighborlee: Its like Christmas, yeah?
[03:08] <neighborlee> see thats why a 'panel applet notifer' is going to be so desireable ( I know its prob. not easy programming)..people have busy lives and we dont always remember to do these things <wink>
[03:09] <ranman> Anybody seen any weird behavior in nautilus, like wide holes in the middle of the icon view?
[03:10] <Phr0stByte> ranman: nope
[03:10] <Phr0stByte> ranman: are you using the default icon view?
[03:10] <ranman> Strange... I opened my folder, and almost freaked when I did not see anything.. just had to scroll down..
[03:11] <ranman> I refresh, and every so often, there are holes in the middle of the listing... 
[03:11] <ranman> yes..
[03:11] <Phr0stByte> ranman: custom icons? custom theme?
[03:11] <neighborlee> ranman, me neither
[03:11] <ranman> No manual layout.. 
[03:11] <ranman> nope..
[03:11] <Phr0stByte> strange
[03:12] <Phr0stByte> never seen that
[03:12] <Phr0stByte> ranman: Using any straight Debian sources when updating?
[03:12] <ranman> yeah, and in the root of my home directory, I have to scroll down two miles after the folders to get to the files...
[03:13] <ranman> All of the gnome stuff is Ubuntu...
[03:13] <ranman> I even remove prior config, and let Ubuntu redo the configs..
[03:13] <Phr0stByte> ranman: I have no idea then
[03:14] <ranman> Yes, I was a bad boy and went from deb unstable to Ubuntu... But, this is the only thing strange that I see..
[03:14] <Phr0stByte> Ahhhhhhh - now it comes out....
[03:15] <ranman> haha..
[03:16] <Phr0stByte> ranman: Go into Synaptic and try to force version on as many packages as possible to Ubuntu packages
[03:23] <anders_> anybody knows if ubuntu will follow debians strict policy on things like libdvdcss, mp3, etc.
[03:24] <azeem> anders_: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> anders_: yes
[03:24] <Kamion> anders_: varies, but in the examples you quote yes
[03:24] <ions|ubuntu> I just installed Ubuntu on my neighbour's machine (gotta say I love it so far) but when we go to Yahoo games Firefox dies instantly in a seg fault - any ideas?
[03:25] <adam_> anyone know if the ubuntu changes to gnome as far as the menus "applications/computer" will make it back in to gnome proper?
[03:26] <Phr0stByte> ions|ubuntu: flash is on the page - is it installed?
[03:26] <ions|ubuntu> no\
[03:26] <Phr0stByte> ions|ubuntu: (mine works fine)
[03:26] <ions|ubuntu> I'll need to do that too
[03:27] <socomm> ions|ubuntu, try `apt-get update && apt-get upgrade'
[03:27] <ions|ubuntu> this is a fresh intall
[03:27] <adam_> did you upgrade during install?
[03:27] <socomm> Well that is if you got the bandwith/patience.
[03:27] <ions|ubuntu> yeah it asked if I wanted to and said yes
[03:27] <Phr0stByte> ions|ubuntu: Let me take that back - I just tried to get into a game and mine crashed
[03:28] <socomm> game?
[03:28] <ions|ubuntu> yeah - instantly disappear?
[03:28] <Phr0stByte> (yahoo games)
[03:28] <ions|ubuntu> Euchre(sp?)
[03:28] <socomm> I've had the same thing happen.
[03:28] <Phr0stByte> yep
[03:28] <socomm> It won't crash the second time.
[03:29] <socomm> Fire it up again and go to games it won't crash.
[03:29] <Phr0stByte> yes it did
[03:29] <ions|ubuntu> I have tried several times and repeated the crash
[03:29] <socomm> Well it didn't for me.
[03:29] <ions|ubuntu> ok
[03:29] <Phr0stByte> after I sign in, it crashes when trying to join a room
[03:29] <ions|ubuntu> yeah
[03:29] <ions|ubuntu> exactly 
[03:30] <socomm> Doesn't crash here.
[03:30] <socomm> I've had it crash before though.
[03:30] <ions|ubuntu> have you done anything to Firefox after you installed?
[03:31] <socomm> Yes adblocked all the yimg ads.
[03:31] <Phr0stByte> ions|ubuntu: Yeah - I just updated it tonight
[03:31] <socomm> Suppose that blocks their flash ads too.
[03:31] <aitrus> Does Matt Zimmerman ever lurk here?
[03:31] <Phr0stByte> ions|ubuntu: 1.0 preview release
[03:32] <ions|ubuntu> I haven't tried Yahoo games on my Gentoo box yet
[03:32] <ions|ubuntu> yeah that's what I have
[03:32] <socomm> I have version 1.0 preview.
[03:32] <neighborlee> hmm darn i'm getting 404 errro on package 'hal'
[03:33] <neighborlee> via synatpic mark all upgrades
[03:33] <ranman> Java problem?
[03:33] <ranman> What is your jvm version?
[03:33] <ions|ubuntu> yeah I think so
[03:33] <ranman> Yahoo games is a java applet correct?
[03:33] <socomm> Does ubuntu come with java Preinstalled?
[03:33] <Phr0stByte> socom: no
[03:33] <socomm> Yes Y! games are all Java if I'm not mistaken.
[03:34] <ranman> That maybe the problem.. Java applets are annoying..
[03:34] <Phr0stByte> socom: I have java installed, and have no problems with scripts and applets on other pages
[03:34] <ions|ubuntu> I have java-common .22
[03:34] <ions|ubuntu> according to synaptic
[03:34] <socomm> I installed java manually, it's java 1.4.2_05
[03:35] <ranman> Run firefox from the command line, and see it throughs an error before it disappears.. Java problems usually do..
[03:35] <ions|ubuntu> all it says is segmentation fault
[03:35] <ranman> If that does not produce, check out strace...
[03:35] <cefiro> hey guys I installed finally, but it's telling me my root password is wrong when I su, is there any way to reset/rescue it without reinstalling?
[03:35] <socomm> cefiro, ubuntu is a rootless distro
[03:36] <cefiro> really?
[03:36] <socomm> Remember you did not set your root password when you installed.
[03:36] <toyowheelin> so...whats new with ubuntu
[03:36] <ranman> sudo password root
[03:36] <sabdfl> passwd root
[03:36] <sabdfl> sudo passwd root
[03:36] <ranman> haha, yes..
[03:36] <socomm> You can set you're password by rebooting pressing ESC and going into safe mode.
[03:36] <joem> read the faq, you can use sudo for anything you need
[03:36] <ranman> Reboot is for windows..
[03:36] <enki> yay for sudo
[03:37] <toyowheelin> not the most secure os ever
[03:37] <socomm> Then type passwd and set your root passwd.
[03:37] <cefiro> sudo sez Sorry, try again lol
[03:37] <socomm> after that ctl^D shoot boot you back in.
[03:37] <socomm> s/shoot/should
[03:37] <Phr0stByte> ions|ubuntu: Found the solution
[03:37] <ions|ubuntu> cool
[03:38] <toyowheelin> hahah a root pass sweet I feel a lil more secure
[03:38] <Phr0stByte> ions|ubuntu: install "free-java-sdk"
[03:38] <socomm> toyowheelin, you can edit your menu.lst after you set your root passwd.
[03:38] <toyowheelin> edit to what?
[03:38] <enki> dude any word on reiser4 support in the next release?
[03:38] <socomm> So your younger brother can't boot into safe mode and change roots passwd.
[03:39] <joem> reiser4 has security issues that need to be addressed before any distro will include it
[03:39] <socomm> Or roomate/girfriend/etc.
[03:39] <toyowheelin> socomm, dose safemode just give root access?
[03:39] <ions|ubuntu> Phr0stByte: I don't see free-java-sdk listed in synaptic
[03:39] <HrdwrBoB> socomm: init=/bin/bash
[03:39] <socomm> toyowheelin, yes it boots into single user mode (su).
[03:39] <HrdwrBoB> or a boot disk
[03:40] <HrdwrBoB> if they want to pwn you, they can
[03:40] <Kamion> aitrus: often, but it's usually best to aim questions at developers in general or at the bug tracking system rather than at one particular very heavily-loaded developer. :)
[03:40] <Banza> hey all
[03:40] <Phr0stByte> ions|ubuntu: got it from a Debian source
[03:40] <tony> Hi guys...
[03:40] <toyowheelin> ouch socomm
[03:40] <toyowheelin> that could laeve a mark
[03:40] <ions|ubuntu> sorry, I'm new to Debian - apt-get java-free-sdk?
[03:40] <toyowheelin> *leave
[03:40] <aitrus> Kamion: well, i wanted to talk to him in private about his alsa decision  -- i didn't want to start a public debate/war
[03:41] <socomm> HrdwrBoB, but this won't make it as easy.
[03:41] <HrdwrBoB> indeed
[03:41] <Phr0stByte> ions|ubuntu: apt-get install <package>
[03:41] <tony> Can someone help me with an audio problem? 
[03:42] <ranman> tony: what is your card?
[03:42] <socomm> Actually it's not safe mode, it's recovery mode. You get the idea though.
[03:42] <tony> Onboard.
[03:42] <ions|ubuntu> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[03:42] <ranman> Onb
[03:42] <ranman> onboard what?
[03:42] <ions|ubuntu> as root
[03:42] <Kamion> aitrus: wouldn't presume to decide for somebody else, but perhaps private mail would be better
[03:43] <aitrus> Kamion: alrighty
[03:43] <tony> I'm just starting to use Linux and I know little to nothing about it.
[03:43] <ranman> tony: run command lspci, and tell me what kind of audio it says..
[03:43] <Phr0stByte> ions|ubuntu: got it?
[03:44] <ions|ubuntu> nm, but now I have this error: E: Couldn't find package free-java-sdk
[03:44] <tony> I can hear beeps when I open and close programs but when I try to play an audio file, the player opens then closes really fast on its own. 
[03:44] <ranman> ions: apt-cache search java-sdk.. see if it is there..
[03:45] <ions|ubuntu> nothing
[03:45] <Jeedee> What is your motherboard brand/model tony?
[03:45] <Phr0stByte> ions|ubuntu: I would say to add a Debian source, but I dont want you to break other stuff when you do upgrades...
[03:45] <ranman> beeps? if that is true, then maybe you do not have the correct driver..
[03:45] <ranman> I hear clicks..
[03:45] <tony> 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82810 GMCH [Graphics Memory Controller Hub]  (rev 02)
[03:45] <tony> 0000:00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82810 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller]  (rev 02)
[03:45] <tony> 0000:00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801AB PCI Bridge (rev 02)
[03:45] <tony> 0000:00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82801AB ISA Bridge (LPC) (rev 02)
[03:45] <tony> 0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801AB IDE (rev 02)
[03:45] <tony> 0000:00:1f.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801AB USB (rev 02)
[03:45] <ions|ubuntu> well it's "crucial" to have Yahoo games apprently
[03:45] <tony> 0000:00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corp. 82801AB SMBus (rev 02)
[03:45] <tony> 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801AB AC'97 Audio (rev 02)
[03:45] <cefiro> k the esc thing works thanks, now I went to mount my ntfs's and none of them are in my /dev/ dir unless they are named something other than hda etc
[03:45] <tony> 0000:01:0b.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M [Tornado]  (rev 74)
[03:45] <tony> 0000:01:0e.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AHA-2940/2940W / AIC-7871
[03:45] <tony> Sorry...
[03:46] <ranman> haha, ok, you have an intel chip..
[03:46] <ranman> hold on..
[03:46] <cefiro> when I boot I see the drive manuf/names whizzing by though..
[03:48] <ranman> tony: your driver should be ac97... 
[03:48] <adam_> has ubuntu released its patches to gnome for the menu configuration? (the `computer` menu)?
[03:48] <neighborlee> has anyone received a 'hal' package warning during apt-get upgrade ..ie: 404 not found ?...or is it safe for now to ignore ? ;-)
[03:48] <aitrus> tony: how old is your motherboard?
[03:49] <neighborlee> ive ran this about 15 minutes apart so I think its a 'missing package'
[03:49] <tony> I'm not sure...Its an old HP Pavilion 6535 
[03:50] <aitrus> tony: alrighty.  i was just wondering if it was brand spanking new... cause some of the newer AC '97s don't seem to be supported in the version of alsa ubuntu ships with
[03:50] <LinuxJones> night all
[03:51] <ranman> aitrus: he needs to "dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base" correct?
[03:51] <ranman> I forget.. haha
[03:52] <cefiro> I see my drives in the Gnome device manager but shouldn't they ben in /dev/?
[03:52] <tony> I can hear like a beating drum when I delete email....so I guess the sound works...just not the mp3 player.
[03:53] <socomm> cefiro, you can use dmesg to see all those messages that fly by on boot.
[03:53] <ranman> hmmm, I think that mp3 is restricted on Ubuntu.. right guys?
[03:53] <aitrus> ranman: i don't know... too many years of red hat
[03:54] <cefiro> nice hda, hdb
[03:54] <ranman> I remember that I had a nice command to setup alsa, but do not remember..
[03:54] <tony> Actually its a .wav file....my bad.'
[03:54] <cefiro> but /dev/hda /hdb don't exist so how can I mount :/
[03:56] <ranman> from the commandline, run "play wavefilename.wav" and see if it works..
[03:56] <stub> I'm just doing a big upgrade through Synaptic, and I'm being asked for what graphics driver to use for X. What is the name of this command in case I get the answer wrong (I'm going to attempt to use fglrx), and can I happily run it from single user mode?
[03:56] <socomm> alsamixer?
[03:57] <neighborlee> stub, if your using ATI then yeah that sounds right
[03:58] <stub> neighborlee: I'm more interested in what the command is to rerun that setup though - I tried an earlier version of fglrx manually and it failed.
[03:58] <tony> Command not found
[03:58] <ranman> hmmm, ic... esdplay?
[03:59] <cefiro> so if my drives aren't in /dev/ any suggestions where I can mount them from
[03:59] <tony> bash...command not found
[04:00] <ranman> hmmm, esdplay should come with the sound server...
[04:00] <socomm> what command?
[04:00] <ranman> esdplay..
[04:02] <tony> Totem Movie player is what tries to open it when I click on the wav file.
[04:02] <ranman> aha.. totem... piece of sh**....
[04:03] <ranman> You need to install the totem-xine package instead of the totem-gstreamer package...
[04:03] <socomm> tony, install mplayer.
[04:03] <socomm> You'll thank me later.
[04:03] <Phr0stByte> MPlayer rocks
[04:03] <ranman> do not forget the w32codecs..
[04:03] <toyowheelin> mplayer=GOOD
[04:04] <tony> Im lost guys ....I mean I dont know anything about Linux...
[04:04] <socomm> mplayer == good
[04:04] <socomm> http://bsdhound.com/newsread.php?newsid=52
[04:04] <socomm> That's a good tutorial. On how to get mplayer going.
[04:05] <socomm> Though it's more of a ... BSD centric article.
[04:05] <aitrus> do "mailto:" links work for anyone using firefox and thunderbird?
[04:05] <toyowheelin> I use kmail
[04:05] <socomm> aitrus, works for me using evolution.
[04:05] <toyowheelin> :)
[04:05] <toyowheelin> and yes  they work in kmail
[04:05] <toyowheelin> :)
[04:05] <aitrus> socomm: that wouldn't be firefox & thunderbird now, would it  =)
[04:05] <aitrus> socomm: but thanks  =)
[04:05] <socomm> aitrus, firefox launches evolution.
[04:06] <aitrus> socomm: it doesn't seem to launch thunderbird, though
[04:06] <aitrus> ahhh crap!!!
[04:06] <aitrus> i forgot to update my preferred email reader!
[04:07] <socomm> :^/
[04:07] <cefiro> so if hda , hdb etc aren't in my /dev/ any suggestions where they might be or fix it :/
[04:08] <cefiro> running ubuntu on my sata, which sd etc
[04:08] <aitrus> and it works.  duh on my part
[04:09] <neighborlee> stub:xf86config  maybe is to what you refer
[04:09] <socomm> `/rimshot'
[04:09] <ranman> hmmm, how long has firefox been loading evolution?
[04:09] <aitrus> hehehe
[04:09] <tony> socom or ranman....can one of you guys walk me through some of this? I dont know how to install ports...
[04:09] <ranman> ports?
[04:09] <socomm> tony, ports are FreeBSD.
[04:10] <tony> So I dont need those...
[04:10] <socomm> No, you couldn't get them even if you tried.
[04:10] <neighborlee> socomm, mplayer doesn't work well in ubuntu...
[04:10] <ranman> What package are you wanting to install?
[04:10] <socomm> neighborlee, works for me.
[04:11] <socomm> tony, if you like I can write a short tutorial for you.
[04:11] <socomm> :^/
[04:11] <neighborlee> socomm, so old school and no one should ever ( no offense) have to go through something like that
[04:11] <tony> I thought I went to the right page..
[04:11] <ranman> tony first rule.. apt is your best friend.. It is is more faithful than your girlfriend..
[04:11] <neighborlee> socomm, heh linux really does need to be easier to use to attract a large userbase ;-)
[04:11] <tony> Good....cause I dont have a girlfriend...
[04:11] <socomm> linux .....
[04:11] <neighborlee> socomm, mplayer for me causes error in /dev/mixer
[04:11] <ranman> boyfriend.. whatever... haha joking..
[04:12] <neighborlee> oh!!!
[04:12] <tony> LOL
[04:12] <neighborlee> lol
[04:12] <tony> Wife passed away...
[04:12] <socomm> neighborlee, works for me without much fuss.
[04:12] <neighborlee> tony, oh :(
[04:12] <ranman> ic.. Sorry for that..
[04:12] <neighborlee> socomm, wish I knew mine wasn't then
[04:12] <neighborlee> I wonder that I should check bugzilla then
[04:12] <neighborlee> or make one if its not there..yes indeed
[04:13] <neighborlee> tony, very sorry tony..I know how that goes
[04:13] <socomm> neighborlee, maybe.
[04:13] <neighborlee> tony, take comfort that she is in a good place..of that I can tell you for sure
[04:14] <tony> Thanks guys...I have my two little girls...The big one wants to use Linux and Dads feeling pretty dumb right about now..
[04:14] <ranman> How old are your girls?
[04:14] <tony> 5 and 11
[04:15] <tony> You guys see sloopy in here?
[04:15] <ranman> Cool.. monster age, and boyfriend age.. keeps you busy..
[04:15] <tony> Really...
[04:15] <cefiro> anyone think they can help me?
[04:16] <ranman> Tony have you tried synaptic yet?
[04:16] <tony> I need like a maual ..."Linux For Complete Morons"
[04:16] <tony> Yea..
[04:16] <socomm> tony, there are tons of books like that.
[04:16] <aitrus> most were written by complete morons though
[04:16] <tony> Itried to install XMS I think it was called. 
[04:16] <socomm> tony, actually visit http://www.linuxjunior.org
[04:16] <ranman> Now that would be called the Linux manual for the common windows user... ;)
[04:16] <mooj> how do i shut off my xserver
[04:16] <mooj> so it dumps me to a consol
[04:17] <socomm> We can help you there. Anything you need.
[04:17] <ranman> sorry.. could not resist...
[04:17] <socomm> mooj, killall -9 gdm && killall -9 X
[04:18] <ranman> socomm, a good ctl-alt-backspace is more efficient..
[04:18] <aitrus> wonder if he piped that command direct to a console...
[04:18] <socomm> ranman, gdm will fire back up.
[04:18] <ranman> /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[04:18] <hartbrkr> what kernel does ubuntu use?
[04:18] <socomm> 2.6.8-1
[04:18] <socomm> Linux 2.6.8-1
[04:19] <neighborlee> tony, well if you get stuck you can depend on ubuntu helping you
[04:19] <ranman> Will ubuntu let you do that with no root?
[04:19] <hartbrkr> thanks
[04:19] <Kamion> hartbrkr: to clarify, 2.6.8.1, not 2.6.8-1
[04:19] <ranman> I took the fast route from deb unstable.. So I get the cool desktop with unstable features..
[04:19] <ranman> Alas I miss my debian menu though...
[04:19] <socomm> Too many dots.
[04:19] <tony> I was checking out those sitess you sent me...cool
[04:19] <aitrus> when did the linux kernel add that 4th part of the version?
[04:20] <mooj> okay can anyone here help me setup my dual mons?
[04:20] <mooj> i was about halfway through
[04:20] <Kamion> aitrus: 2.6.8.1's the first such I've ever seen
[04:20] <mooj> and hrdwr was helping me
[04:20] <mooj> but he's dead now
[04:20] <aitrus> Kamion: whew... thought i was stuck really old school
[04:20] <Kamion> aitrus: presumably because it was a *very* quick fix on top of 2.6.8 (http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.8.1)
[04:20] <Kamion> aitrus: doubt it'll be a regular occurrence
[04:21] <aitrus> Kamion: i hope not  =)
[04:21] <hartbrkr> how much disk space does ubuntu need?
[04:21] <socomm> I hope they add an extra dot for humor sake.
[04:21] <hartbrkr> is 2gb enough?
[04:21] <socomm> 2.6.8.1.0
[04:22] <socomm> hartbrkr, depends.
[04:22] <alexg> Okay.  I can't find a libdvdcss package for amd64 anywhere.  So I'm trying to build mplayer.  Mplayer builds fine, but for some reason it says VIDIX is disabled, thus I don't get any useful video output from it.
[04:22] <alexg> Help?
[04:22] <socomm> hartbrkr, most distros won't let you get away with less than 3GB
[04:22] <hartbrkr> ok.. so 4 would be plenty, if not too much?
[04:22] <alexg> I just want to play DVDs.  The repository mentioned in the Wiki is i386 only (so I'm pretty sure that means I can't use it).
[04:23] <socomm> 4 should be more than enough.
[04:24] <Kamion> hartbrkr: 2GB is more than enough for an installation
[04:24] <Kamion> hartbrkr: you'll have about 500/600MB free afterwards
[04:25] <tony> I want to read those pages a little then its off to bed. I have to get the girls off to school early. I'll  be back tomorrow to ask you guys more stupid questions....LOL Good Night!
[04:30] <nuge> hi guys
[04:30] <toyowheelin> hi
[04:32] <neighborlee> nuge, hello
[04:40] <sabdfl> AndyFitz: hiya, how are the icons coming?
[04:42] <defendguin> hey AndyFitz
[04:53] <AndyFitz> hiya guys. just trying to get a hold of jdub so he can put them in the artwork package
[04:54] <ions|ubuntu> any idea why I would have no sound?
[04:54] <ions|ubuntu> volume is up 
[04:55] <HrdwrBoB> ions|ubuntu: open the full volume app
[04:55] <HrdwrBoB> it may be that general volume is up
[04:55] <HrdwrBoB> PCM volume is down
[04:55] <ions|ubuntu> yeah I figured
[04:55] <bob2> AndyFitz: email him
[04:55] <ions|ubuntu> what is the general audio app - I tried aumix
[04:56] <HrdwrBoB> AndyFitz: last I heard he was going for coffee with a mate of mine
[04:56] <HrdwrBoB> mind you that was a few hours ago :)
[04:56] <Banza> Im installing Starcraft on my box using Wine
[04:56] <Banza> it works good
[04:56] <HrdwrBoB> ions|ubuntu: right click on the speaker in the top bar and select open volume control
[04:56] <HrdwrBoB> RuffianSoldier: works well
[04:56] <RuffianSoldier> HrdwrBoB: ya!
[04:57] <HrdwrBoB> works good isn't technically correct
[04:57] <RuffianSoldier> i likeit
[04:57] <RuffianSoldier> its fun
[04:57] <ions|ubuntu> well the volumes were down but turning them up didn't help
[04:58] <HrdwrBoB> clee: yes, not many words in english end in u
[04:58] <anders_> got libdvdcss2 from http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian/ , but totem still not plays dvd's
[04:58] <clee> HrdwrBoB: this is true. However, it's not an English word. :)
[04:58] <HrdwrBoB> and people are lazy so they assume it's an o
[04:58] <HrdwrBoB> I know this, you know this :P
[04:58] <HrdwrBoB> anders:install totem-xine
[04:58] <anders_> already did
[04:58] <HrdwrBoB> or I use packages from http://hpisi.nerim.net/
[04:59] <HrdwrBoB> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[04:59] <anders_> ok, thanks
[04:59] <ranman> HrdwrBob: ask the package maintainer of the spellcheck to add Ubuntu to the default dictionary..
[04:59] <HrdwrBoB> ranman: file a bug yourself :)
[05:01] <ions|ubuntu> anyother ideas?
[05:02] <ions|ubuntu> Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator]  (rev 01)
[05:02] <ions|ubuntu> lspci sees the sound controller
[05:03] <ranman> ions: try the play command on a wave file.. see if that works, if so then maybe your sound server..
[05:03] <ions|ubuntu> where can I find a wav file on a fresh install?
[05:05] <t35t0r> ions|ubuntu, you want one?
[05:05] <t35t0r> i'll give you windows ding or chime or whatever
[05:05] <ranman> /usr/share/sounds <--- check there...
[05:05] <t35t0r> hehe
[05:05] <aitrus> if you have multiple server layouts in your x config, which one is used by default?
[05:06] <lothario> does it work
[05:08] <ions|ubuntu> yeah there are wavs there but xmms is just freezing on me and rhythmbox doesn't seem to do anything
[05:09] <ranman> did you try the play command on one of the waves?
[05:09] <ranman> wavs..
[05:10] <alexg> Argh.
[05:10] <t35t0r> aitrus, i don't understand your question
[05:10] <alexg> Still trying to get something, _anything_ that'll play DVDs.
[05:11] <t35t0r> aitrus, look at the code in XF86Config
[05:11] <alexg> I've found a totem-xine package for amd64, but no libdvdcss.
[05:11] <t35t0r> aitrus, usually the first server line
[05:11] <alexg> MPlayer compiles, but has almost no video output choices (despite plenty being listed in ./configure output).
[05:11] <alexg> Help?
[05:12] <t35t0r> alexg, what's your cpu/ram
[05:12] <HrdwrBoB> alexg: grab the precompile one from deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[05:12] <aitrus> t35t0r: i have multple ServerLayout sections so that i can disable TwinView when i play fullscreen games and stuff like that... just wondering which would be the default one
[05:12] <joem> alexg, install w32 codecs package along with that
[05:12] <HrdwrBoB> aitrus: the first one
[05:13] <alexg> To all: As I mentioned, I'm using amd64.
[05:13] <alexg> So.
[05:13] <aitrus> thanks t35t0r and HrdwrBoB
[05:13] <ions|ubuntu> yeah I tried to play with both rhythmbox and xmms
[05:13] <alexg> HrdwrBoB: That won't work.
[05:13] <alexg> That repository is i386 only.
[05:13] <HrdwrBoB> you are using ppc or amd64?
[05:13] <alexg> For the third time, amd64.
[05:13] <alexg> I've found a totem-xine package, but no libdvdcss.
[05:13] <t35t0r> hahah
[05:13] <fragment> Hey, my /etc/resolv.conf stopped updating, I think right after I opened and closed the Networking settings app.
[05:14] <bob2> ranman: there is no mp3 support in ubuntu at all, correct.
[05:14] <fragment> dhclient seems to be working fine, and actually /etc/resolv.conf updates for my wired interface, but not my wireless.
[05:14] <fragment> Any suggestions?
[05:14] <HrdwrBoB> bob2: correct
[05:14] <alexg> So the marillat repository is no good to me.  Compiling Mplayer is fine, but for some reason it doesn't feel like giving me, you know, xv for video out.
[05:14] <ions|ubuntu> no mp3 support?  well I guess I won't bother downloading one to test the sound
[05:14] <alexg> XVideo is getting loaded when X starts.
[05:15] <HrdwrBoB> so mplayer -vo help doesn't show xv 
[05:16] <t35t0r> mplayer is really screwy
[05:16] <bob2> ioslipstream: good idea :)
[05:16] <alexg> No.
[05:16] <bob2> ioslipstream: there's a bunch of wav files on your system already, tho
[05:16] <ioslipstream> what's a good idea?
[05:17] <alexg> Yet strangely, all the video outs I could want are listed in the ./configure output.
[05:17] <alexg> Erk.
[05:17] <alexg> I take that back.
[05:17] <alexg> I was looking at the disabled ones.
[05:17] <ioslipstream> bob2: did i miss something?
[05:17] <alexg> Pretty much anything useful in the way of video out is disabled.
[05:18] <fsc> well, the install was easy enough...same with ndiswrapper..now on to trying to get some decent fonts
[05:18] <alexg> Ah.  I think I see why.
[05:18] <alexg> It's not finding X11 libs or headers or anything.
[05:18] <alexg> Hmm...
[05:18] <alexg> That I think I can solve.
[05:18] <fsc> are there any fonts on linux that even come close to cleartype on an XP LCD?
[05:19] <bob2> cleartype has nothing to do with what font you use
[05:20] <fsc> bob2, I know, but i don't care what tech is being used, i care about the look
[05:20] <fsc> and where is verdana? i searched on synaptic and don't see it on the install fonts
[05:21] <bob2> shockingly, verdana is not free
[05:21] <bob2> and thus not in ubuntu
[05:21] <bob2> you can download it from corefonts.sf.net, and put it in ~/.fonts/, if you like.
[05:22] <fsc> Bob2: ok, thanks for the link
[05:22] <neighborlee> has anyone received a 'hal' package warning during apt-get upgrade ..ie: 404 not found ?...or is it safe for now to ignore ? ;-)
[05:22] <ranman> fsc: if you want you can raid your windows partition/box... Got a whole directory of fonts..
[05:23] <fsc> ranman, that's my next step
[05:23] <ranman> I keep a copy on usb hd, for this reason..
[05:23] <HrdwrBoB> neighborlee: apt-get update before apt-get install
[05:23] <fsc> ranman, i'm hoping i can mount ntfs
[05:24] <neighborlee> HrdwrBoB, okaythx
[05:24] <ranman> fsc: yes, you should be able to...
[05:24] <alexg> I think I found the packages to install to get it to find Xv.
[05:24] <alexg> We'll see.
[05:25] <ranman> alexg you need the devel packages...
[05:25] <fsc> first time with HAL integration in gnome. love how nautilus popped up once i mounted a fat32 partition
[05:25] <alexg> ranman: Yep.
[05:25] <alexg> Those are the ones I'm grabbing.
[05:26] <HrdwrBoB> fsc: yeah, by default nautilus will popup on partition mounts
[05:26] <HrdwrBoB> esp cool for things like usb keys
[05:26] <anders_> thanks HrdwrBoB, totem is playing dvd's perfectly now
[05:26] <HrdwrBoB> plug it in and it pops up
[05:26] <HrdwrBoB> anders_: excellent, glad to hear
[05:27] <Safari_Al> guys, is there a grub.conf installed in ubuntu?  I can't seem to find it in /boot/grub or /etc
[05:27] <jsubl2> Safari_Al, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:27] <Safari_Al> jsubl2, ah. I just saw it then too.  thanks mate.
[05:29] <HrdwrBoB> fabbione: you about?
[05:29] <neighborlee>  Temporary failure resolving 'ftp.las.ic.unicamp.br' < anyone else getting this ?...it doesn't seem to be a 'busy' indicator as my browser can't see it either ??
[05:29] <HrdwrBoB> you mentioned you knew the installer stayed at 0% sometimes, should I file a bug?
[05:32] <justdave> is there any significance to the installer starting up with a red background when I boot the CD?
[05:32] <justdave> no error message, it's just red.
[05:33] <lothario> what should I check if a usb memorystick won't mount??
[05:33] <lothario> dmesg tells me there is an I/O error with sda
[05:34] <lothario> also cpu runs at 99% with usb-agent process
[05:34] <bob2> does it work ok in other machines
[05:35] <bob2> ?
[05:35] <lothario> it works on the same machine using a differnt linux flavor
[05:36] <bonedaddy> would creating a root account in ubuntulinux make installing k3b easier for a noob like me?
[05:36] <bonedaddy> I followed the howto, no luck
[05:36] <bob2> sudo passwd root
[05:36] <joem> no need to
[05:36] <bob2> but k3b really doesn't need a root account
[05:36] <joem> uncomment the universe line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:36] <joem> and sudo apt-get install k3b
[05:37] <bonedaddy> i got that far
[05:37] <bob2> "sudo k3b" doesn't work?
[05:37] <bonedaddy>  just when I try to run k3b setup
[05:37] <bonedaddy> I get a long list of erros
[05:37] <joem> what errors?
[05:37] <bob2> you meanm "sudo k3bsetup" doesn't work?
[05:37] <bonedaddy> right
[05:38] <bonedaddy> if fails
[05:38] <bob2> hm
[05:38] <bonedaddy> this is what I did
[05:38] <bonedaddy> rememeber noob here
[05:38] <bonedaddy> used terminal sudo apt-get install k3b
[05:39] <bonedaddy> chown/chgrp .ICEauthority
[05:39] <bonedaddy> sudo k3bsetup
[05:39] <bonedaddy> where am I going wrong?
[05:41] <bonedaddy> running through the procedure again
[05:41] <bonedaddy> ran sudo apt-get install k3b
[05:41] <bonedaddy> password?? user password...seems ok
[05:41] <bonedaddy> do you want to continue
[05:41] <bonedaddy> Y
[05:41] <bonedaddy> done
[05:42] <bonedaddy> now what should I do?
[05:43] <HrdwrBoB> run k3b
[05:43] <bonedaddy> k
[05:43] <bonedaddy> as a user?
[05:43] <bonedaddy> no sudo?
[05:43] <HrdwrBoB> yep
[05:43] <bonedaddy> will do
[05:43] <anders_> chmod +x /usr/bin/cdrecord
[05:43] <anders_> chmod +s /usr/bin/cdrecord
[05:44] <bonedaddy> DCOP communications error
[05:44] <bonedaddy> Please check that the dcopserver program is running
[05:44] <drag> is it possible to get Xorg running (properly) on ubuntu instead of xfree?
[05:45] <bonedaddy> could not read network connection list /home/user/.DCOPserver_mahcinename__0
[05:45] <HrdwrBoB> drag: simple answer: no
[05:45] <HrdwrBoB> drag: the next release will use Xorg
[05:45] <bonedaddy> ha
[05:45] <bonedaddy> I clicked OK and k3b loaded!
[05:45] <drag> damn it 
[05:45] <drag> :/
[05:46] <HrdwrBoB> what's the problem?
[05:46] <bonedaddy> now prompted with the cdrecord does not run with root privs
[05:46] <bonedaddy> I guess I'll start k3b setup to eliminate this error and burn
[05:47] <drag> new release is due at the beginning of 2005 right?
[05:47] <bonedaddy> no go..k3bsetup gives me the DCOP error again
[05:47] <bonedaddy> any ideas
[05:47] <HrdwrBoB> bonedaddy: k3b should work without root pris
[05:48] <HrdwrBoB> drag: april 2k5
[05:48] <bonedaddy> you mean cdrecord?
[05:48] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[05:48] <drag> ah
[05:48] <HrdwrBoB> drag: however xorg will be integrated sometime between now
[05:48] <HrdwrBoB> and then
[05:49] <bonedaddy> last question, how do I get rid of the DCOPserver error
[05:49] <bonedaddy> it comes up every time I run k3b?
[05:49] <drag> hmm i do crave the pretty transperancies and shadows :o
[05:49] <anders_> bonedaddy: sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/cdrecord to set root privs
[05:50] <amber9> unable to log in as root user - the login screen tells me this is not allowed. Anyone know how to get around this? The reason I want to be log in as root is that I want to be able to edit conf files from Gnome - at the moment they are all read only.
[05:50] <joem> amber9, use sudo
[05:50] <soleblaze> how do you add an application to the applications menu?
[05:50] <drag> sudo is lovely :)
[05:50] <joem> right click and add launcher
[05:51] <bonedaddy> still getting the DCOP error, well it's late and I thank you kindly BoB
[05:51] <amber9> how do you use sudo within gnome?
[05:51] <HrdwrBoB> that's ok
[05:51] <HrdwrBoB> the dcop error would be from kde
[05:51] <HrdwrBoB> it's trying to talk to the rest of kde
[05:51] <drag> you can launch applications as root
[05:51] <fabbione> morning guys
[05:51] <bob2> amber9: sudo gedit /etc/blah
[05:51] <bonedaddy> so I have to live with it
[05:51] <bob2> hey fabbione 
[05:51] <soleblaze> oh, why didn't I see that..thanks
[05:52] <drag> amber9, apps>system tools>run as different user
[05:52] <drag> or from the terminal with sudo app
[05:52] <bonedaddy> so I have to live with it BOB?
[05:53] <amber9> drag - thanks
[05:53] <HrdwrBoB> unless you want to install a whole lot more of KDE
[05:53] <HrdwrBoB> I'm not sure exactly what you'd need - I don't use KDE
[05:54] <bonedaddy> I agree, thanks for the help
[05:54] <bonedaddy> L8R
[05:55] <amber9> bob2 - thanks, but that means using a terminal - I want to right click
[05:55] <drag> hehe
[05:57] <amber9> to drag: the run as different user does not enable to use the Gnome context menus. I still think I need to be able to login as root. Any suggestions...?
[05:58] <HrdwrBoB> what file do you want to edit?
[05:58] <joem> amber9, use sudo..
[05:59] <joem> and what do you mean by not being able to use the context menus?
[06:00] <anders_> amber9: use context menu open with -> gksudo gedit
[06:00] <drag> what are you trying to do 
[06:01] <drag> you CAN run as root
[06:01] <drag> it's better to learn with sudo though
[06:01] <amber9> say I want to edit /etc/fstab by right clicking on it in Gnome, and selecting "edit". The files is loaded into Gedit, but is read only - I cannot save it. I do not want to have to go into a terminal every time and type "sudo gedit /etc/fstab" .
[06:02] <Micksa> amber9: log in as root then :)
[06:02] <subterrific> no
[06:02] <Micksa> >:)
[06:02] <Micksa> oh!
[06:02] <Micksa> chown /etc/fstab to yourself
[06:02] <HrdwrBoB> editing fstab is sufficiently advanced that you should use a terminal
[06:02] <HrdwrBoB> OR
[06:02] <subterrific> amber9: it's easier to type sudo vi /etc/fstab than navigate to the file in nautilus
[06:02] <drag> try right clicking going to open with and typing sudo gedit
[06:02] <HrdwrBoB> write up something on
[06:02] <HrdwrBoB> it
[06:02] <HrdwrBoB> submit a bug as type enhancement
[06:03] <subterrific> HrdwrBoB: no, it's something you can do now
[06:03] <drag> sudo passwd root
[06:03] <subterrific> NO
[06:03] <drag> :P
[06:03] <defendguin> tseng, you still having a problem with the packages?
[06:03] <amber9> the login screen won't allow me to log in as root
[06:03] <drag> if you really want to,
[06:04] <drag> open a terminal, type sudo passwd root 
[06:04] <joem> HrdwrBoB, vim you mean
[06:04] <drag> and change the root password
[06:04] <subterrific> setting a root password and logging in as root to navigate with nautilus to edit a file is not good
[06:04] <khronic> agreed
[06:04] <subterrific> enabling the root account is completely worthless and not a good idea
[06:04] <drag> nautilus is the devil
[06:04] <subterrific> which is why ubuntu disabled it
[06:04] <drag> yep but hey if someone wants to do it let them
[06:05] <subterrific> drag: or show them a better way
[06:05] <khronic> I just got done installing ubuntu..I like it.
[06:05] <drag> i thought i did
[06:05] <drag> :/
[06:05] <drag> you can right click do open with - sudo gedit
[06:05] <subterrific> no you can't
[06:05] <drag> or you can open a terminal and do sudo gedit file
[06:05] <drag> no?
[06:05] <subterrific> gksudo
[06:05] <subterrific> sudo will not work because there is no term
[06:05] <drag> i don't know i use the term
[06:06] <q2> i got problems
[06:06] <q2> with ubuntu
[06:06] <aitrus> and grammar!
[06:06] <aitrus> =)
[06:06] <aitrus> what's up?
[06:06] <drag> :>
[06:06] <drag> i need xorg damn it
[06:06] <subterrific> amber9: you really should learn to use the terminal for operations like that
[06:06] <q2> there are "no" proccesses running in my XFCE session control
[06:07] <q2> and "DCOPClient" wont work
[06:07] <subterrific> with tab completion, navigating the file system is a lot faster in the terminal than in any graphical file browser
[06:07] <amber9> thanks - I know there are alternatives, but they all bypass the GUI. I want to use the GUI, otherwise I would run without X and use command line all the time. I definately want to find a way around the Ubuntu restriction.
[06:07] <drag> well i told you the method, but it's unsafe and not recommended
[06:07] <subterrific> amber9: you can use both
[06:07] <drag> so do what you will
[06:07] <HrdwrBoB> amber9: that's a silly idea
[06:07] <bob2> amber9: it's not aan ubuntu restriction
[06:07] <drag> knowing how to use the terminal is very handy
[06:08] <aitrus> q2: DCOPClient issues seem to be common as of late
[06:08] <bob2> and using a command line for one command, ever, is not the same is "using the command line all the time"
[06:08] <HrdwrBoB> you can use a terminal inside a gui
[06:08] <q2> /usr/bin/X11/iceauth:  timeout in locking authority file /home/q2/.ICEauthority
[06:08] <q2> ICE Connection rejected!
[06:08] <subterrific> amber9: drag told you how to do it the best way graphically
[06:08] <q2> DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[06:08] <q2> ICE Connection rejected!
[06:08] <q2> DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[06:08] <q2> DCOPServer self-test failed.
[06:08] <q2> iceauth:  timeout in locking authority file /home/q2/.ICEauthority
[06:08] <aitrus> q2: check and make sure that your .ICEauthority files isn't owned by root for some reason
[06:08] <bob2> q2: please stop pasting
[06:08] <q2> sorry
[06:08] <subterrific> right click on the file->open with->gksudo gedit
[06:09] <q2> Operation not permitted : /home/q2/.ICEauthority
[06:10] <drag> actually i don't think that works heh
[06:10] <drag> i just tested it :/
[06:10] <aitrus> q2: sudo chown q2.q2 /home/q2/.ICEauthority
[06:11] <q2> nothin happend
[06:11] <q2> q2@ubuntu:~ $ sudo chown q2.q2 /home/q2/.ICEauthority
[06:11] <q2> q2@ubuntu:~ $
[06:11] <drag> yea..
[06:11] <drag> it shouldn't say anything
[06:12] <q2> what did it do?
[06:12] <amber9> I am a software developer who is experimenting with Linux, and wish to use a edit/reboot cycle to see what happens with changes to various configuration.  I may need to edit the file hundreds of times. And the whole point to a GUI is that you don't need to type. I still would like someone to tell me how I can log in as root, if anyone knows.
[06:12] <drag> ls -l ~/.ICEauthority
[06:12] <drag> i'll pm you
[06:12] <q2> aight
[06:12] <normnmiles> amber9 how about making a custom launcher?
[06:13] <normnmiles> right click on panel and choose custom laucher.  under command type "sudo gedit".  it will prompt you for your password and open gedit with root rights
[06:13] <calc> fabbione: did you see my reply earlier, the rebuild works fine as well
[06:13] <calc> fabbione: so it must be the loader(?)
[06:13] <fabbione> calc: thanks!
[06:13] <fabbione> no i didn't
[06:14] <q2> drag?
[06:15] <paws> anyone know how to install mpd?
[06:15] <drag> ?
[06:15] <q2> ya gonna PM me drag?
[06:15] <paws> meaning through the synaptic manager?
[06:15] <drag> oh no sorry was talking to amber
[06:15] <q2> aa
[06:15] <fabbione> calc: can you open a bug in bugzilla towards xserver-xfree86: module loader broken on amd64
[06:15] <calc> ok
[06:16] <subterrific> amber9: the point of a gui is not so you don't need to type. as a software developer, you should fully understand the benefits of using the terminal
[06:16] <calc> fabbione: i think it might be related to gcc 3.4 but not certain
[06:16] <fabbione> calc: sevcerity Major please
[06:16] <calc> ok
[06:16] <calc> i'm not at home right now but i will file it once i get home
[06:16] <subterrific> it is a much more powerful and fast interface for doing certain operations. editing a config file for example
[06:16] <ranman> subterrific: windows developer..
[06:16] <normnmiles> :)
[06:16] <subterrific> ranman: hehe
[06:17] <subterrific> ok, lets try this
[06:17] <calc> fabbione: i know 4.3 at least used to work on pure64, not sure if it still does since i can't boot its installer right now
[06:17] <q2> Anybody besides me having DCOPserver problems?
[06:18] <q2> how do i PM in XChat
[06:18] <q2> ok.........
[06:18] <HrdwrBoB> q2 right click open query
[06:19] <q2> huh?
[06:19] <q2> right click where?
[06:19] <drag> bluah
[06:19] <HrdwrBoB> on the username in the nick list
[06:19] <q2> aah
[06:20] <fastislartbart> !!!newbie alert!!!
[06:21] <q2> ahahahahah
[06:21] <q2> im not really a noob
[06:21] <fastislartbart> i'm talking about me
[06:21] <fastislartbart> :)
[06:21] <q2> aaaaaaaaaaaa
[06:21] <q2> ahahahhahahha!
[06:21] <fastislartbart> <back in a sec... phone>
[06:28] <q2> ANybody here use XFce4??
[06:29] <oMega505> hey guys, hows ubuntu warty support for dell laptops (more specific the 8600)
[06:29] <HrdwrBoB> oMega505: it should be in the hardware support wiki
[06:29] <oMega505> good, ill check it out
[06:33] <fastislartbart> while on the laptop question... i just installed warty on my IBM T42p.  everything except wireless and sleep/suspend seems to be working okay, although i haven't yet checked out the ATI FireGL T2 capabilities yet.  Any suggestions?
[06:33] <HrdwrBoB> do you know what wireless card it is?
[06:34] <calc> fastislartbart: depending on the wireless card you can probably get it to work with ndiswrapper
[06:34] <calc> fastislartbart: the video probably is supported by ati's binary driver
[06:34] <oMega505> dell 8500 seems to work pretty well, and my intel wireless card seems to be supported... ill give it a go
[06:34] <oMega505> thx!
[06:34] <merriam> amber9: did you see the answer?
[06:34] <HrdwrBoB> oMega505: excellent :)
[06:35] <HrdwrBoB> fastislartbart: it should work...
[06:35] <fastislartbart> i think it's one of intel's
[06:35] <HrdwrBoB> that would be using the Atheros chipset with the madwifi driver
[06:35] <HrdwrBoB> try modprobe madwifi
[06:36] <fastislartbart> results in 'madwafi not found'
[06:36] <HrdwrBoB> madwifi :)
[06:36] <HrdwrBoB> not madwafi
[06:36] <calc> oh iirc intel's is supported by an open driver now
[06:36] <fastislartbart> yeah, that's what i meant (and what i typed in the terminal)
[06:37] <HrdwrBoB> ah ok :)
[06:37] <HrdwrBoB> install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-3-386
[06:38] <fastislartbart> calc: do i need to update the driver or is it already included in warty?
[06:38] <HrdwrBoB> using either apt-get or synaptic
[06:38] <HrdwrBoB> then you will be able to load the module
[06:38] <HrdwrBoB> (you should also add it to /etc/modules
[06:38] <HrdwrBoB> )
[06:38] <HrdwrBoB> then you can configure the network from the configuration applet
[06:39] <fastislartbart> i'm pretty clueless when it comes to installing new modules... is there a good faq about this?
[06:39] <calc> fastislartbart: no idea
[06:39] <calc> fastislartbart: mine isn't supported at all :\
[06:39] <calc> i'm going to end up having to write my own driver
[06:39] <fastislartbart> calc: ugh.
[06:40] <q2> Its all fixed
[06:40] <q2> every problem
[06:40] <HrdwrBoB> fastislartbart: if you installed the restricted packages you'll be able to use madwifi
[06:41] <fastislartbart> the only thing i changed from the default warty install was to upgrade all the installed packages.
[06:41] <fastislartbart> (this is my first ever chat session... how do i reply to a single person?)
[06:42] <bob2> just keep it in the channel
[06:42] <HrdwrBoB> just chat and speak in channel
[06:42] <fastislartbart> word.
[06:42] <bob2> fastislartbart: putting someon'es nick at the front makes it easier to see who you're talking to
[06:42] <fastislartbart> i'll figure this out offline... thanks.
[06:43] <HrdwrBoB> fastislartbart: ok, computer-> system configuration-> synaptic package manager
[06:43] <HrdwrBoB> then install the package linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-3-386
[06:43] <fastislartbart> working on it...
[06:44] <fastislartbart> never used synaptic before, but i'm pretty comfortable with apt
[06:44] <HrdwrBoB> well, you can install it in a terminal with 'sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-3-386'
[06:46] <fastislartbart> how about the suggested packages? namely: lilo linux-doc-2.6.8.1 linux-source-2.6.8.1 nvidia-glx
[06:46] <fastislartbart> seems ubuntu uses grub, right?
[06:47] <fastislartbart> okay, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-3-386 is installed
[06:47] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[06:47] <HrdwrBoB> cool
[06:48] <fastislartbart> modprobe madwifi still gives me a FATAL, though.
[06:48] <joem> that isn't the name of the driver is it?
[06:49] <defendguin> is there a gui tool for adding a smb share in ubuntu?
[06:49] <fastislartbart> joem: ???
[06:50] <joem> isn't it ath_something
[06:50] <calc> is there a way to make linux lvm partition not show up in XP
[06:51] <joem> ath_pci wlan ath_hal
[06:51] <fastislartbart> those are the module names?
[06:52] <joem> I believe so
[06:53] <HrdwrBoB> that sounds like a better name
[06:53] <fastislartbart> 'lsmod | grep <any of those module names>' returns nothing.
[06:53] <joem> if they aren't loaded, they won't be there
[06:53] <fastislartbart> ah.  how do i load modules?
[06:53] <joem> sudo modprobe
[06:53] <HrdwrBoB> sudo modprobe modulename
[06:55] <fastislartbart> ah.  okay, they're loaded now.
[06:55] <HrdwrBoB> fastislartbart: now make sure that is in /etc/modules
[06:55] <HrdwrBoB> so that it loads on boot
[06:55] <fastislartbart> what is 'it'?
[06:56] <HrdwrBoB> the module names you just loaded
[06:56] <joem> does your wifi card work now?
[06:56] <joem> are you using wired/another box at the moment?
[06:56] <fastislartbart> i'm using wired right now.
[06:57] <HrdwrBoB> you should be able to configure it using computer-> system config-> networking
[06:57] <fastislartbart> 'cat /etc/modules' give me this list: psmouse mousedev ide-cd ide-generic lp
[06:57] <fastislartbart> does that sound right?
[06:57] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[06:58] <HrdwrBoB> if you edit that and add ath_pci, wlan  and ath_hal
[06:58] <fastislartbart> now that those modules are loaded, the wireless card should be working now.  will it switch over automagically if i unplug my cat45?
[06:59] <bob2> no
[06:59] <joem> cat45, damn
[07:00] <fastislartbart> ???
[07:01] <fastislartbart> so do i have to automanually switch over to wireless?
[07:02] <HrdwrBoB> fastislartbart: as I said, you can configure it using  computer-> system
[07:02] <HrdwrBoB>                   config-> networking
[07:02] <fastislartbart> ah... didn't catch that.  my chatiquette is still in its infancy.
[07:14] <toyowheelin> hello
[07:15] <fastislartbart> hi
[07:16] <toyowheelin> you use pptp?
[07:16] <toyowheelin> poptop
[07:16] <fastislartbart> no
[07:17] <toyowheelin> oh anyone else maybe?
[07:37] <toyowheelin> wow its dead in here
[07:37] <HrdwrBoB> yep
[07:37] <neighborlee> who do I talk to about getting certain applications out of universe ?
[07:38] <HrdwrBoB> neighborlee: you just ask
[07:38] <HrdwrBoB> :)
[07:39] <neighborlee> in here ?
[07:39] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[07:39] <neighborlee> okay
[07:39] <neighborlee> I'd like to propose that 'dopewars' be removed
[07:39] <toyowheelin> what is it
[07:39] <HrdwrBoB> oh, out out
[07:39] <neighborlee> streets of New York, the aim being first to pay off your
[07:39] <neighborlee> debt to the loan shark and then to make a fortune. And if you have to shoot
[07:39] <neighborlee> a few cops in the process, well.
[07:40] <neighborlee> excerpt from synaptic
[07:40] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[07:40] <toyowheelin> sweet
[07:40] <toyowheelin> lol
[07:40] <HrdwrBoB> it's a game
[07:41] <neighborlee> HrdwrBoB, out out as in you wish to have it removed?
[07:41] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[07:41] <hartbrkr> hey i remember that game from like 10 years ago
[07:41] <HrdwrBoB> well
[07:41] <HrdwrBoB> why?
[07:41] <neighborlee> HrdwrBoB, it also glorifies shooting cops and I think ( since my uncle was a cop  and a damn good one ) thats wrong message to send 'anyone'
[07:41] <hartbrkr> i was the meanest toughest dope dealer in all of new york, and nobody messed with me
[07:41] <neighborlee> MO
[07:42] <HrdwrBoB> neighborlee: I'd take that up with debian first
[07:42] <neighborlee> okay.package maintainer ?
[07:42] <toyowheelin> neighborlee, its a GAME...
[07:42] <HrdwrBoB> would be a good start
[07:42] <neighborlee> toyowheelin, irrelevant
[07:42] <neighborlee> okay will do
[07:42] <toyowheelin> wow
[07:45] <soleman> how do you add a program to the applications list/
[07:46] <joem> right click add to menu
[07:46] <soleman> ok i see it
[07:46] <soleman> thanks
[07:53] <eventide> i how would i go about installing wireless?  I'm new to linux, and forgot to turn the card on while i was installing ubuntu :-x
[07:55] <neighborlee> eventide, well in case others are sleeping..if its as good as some of the usb mass storage support just plug it in and it might do it for you ( project-utopia)
[07:55] <HrdwrBoB> eventide: what card is it?
[07:56] <eventide> well, its an internal card, it just has a switch on the front of my laptop, give me a sec to run to the manufacturer's website and I'll get the card name
[07:56] <joem> is the applications/computer menu a patch to gnome panel, and If so where could I find it
[07:56] <joem> I checked the patch repo, didn't see anything there
[07:56] <HrdwrBoB> joem: all the sources are in the repository
[07:56] <RuffianSoldier> hey all
[07:57] <HrdwrBoB> apt-get source gnome-panel
[07:57] <RuffianSoldier> HAHAHA, SOMEONE LOST THERE PANEL!
[07:57] <HrdwrBoB> their
[07:57] <joem> ?
[07:57] <HrdwrBoB> RuffianSoldier: is english your native language?
[07:57] <merriam> neighborlee: so should all those chess programs be removed too?
[07:58] <neighborlee> yes
[07:58] <RuffianSoldier> English is my native language
[07:58] <RuffianSoldier> i am from ohio, and alot of my family is German
[07:59] <eventide> The only thing i can find on the manufacturer's website is that it is:  		 		  	 	     		 		(Optional) 802.11b Wi-Fi LAN Module
[07:59] <eventide> http://www.sagernotebook.com/pages/notebooks/product_w.cfm?ProductType=4380
[08:00] <eventide> those are the specs
[08:00] <merriam> this is a serious distribution.  no games...
[08:01] <HrdwrBoB> 'universe'
[08:01] <HrdwrBoB> is not in the distribution
[08:01] <HrdwrBoB> technically.
[08:01] <neighborlee> merriam, course you realized I was j/k
[08:02] <merriam> many people really think that way
[08:02] <calc> eventide: run lspci
[08:02] <calc> eventide: then tell me which card it is
[08:03] <merriam> i'd have picked chess first.  racist, genocidal...  and my uncle was a queen...
[08:04] <neighborlee> hehlollll
[08:04] <HrdwrBoB> merriam: was he also black?
[08:04] <merriam> yeah.  why does whitey always get the first move?
[08:04] <eventide> I don't think it is recognizing it; I see nothing about a wireless card but it does display this (its a miniPCI card):0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] : Unknown device 0003
[08:04] <neighborlee> heh
[08:06] <calc> hmm i didn't know SiS made wireless chipsets
[08:07] <ranman> wireless monitor...
[08:07] <ranman> on his laptop..
[08:07] <calc> looks like it might be a sis160/162
[08:08] <eventide> should I send everything lspci displays?
[08:08] <calc> eventide: no that should be enough
[08:09] <eventide> ok
[08:09] <calc> eventide: well /msg me the entire lspci output just to be certain
[08:09] <eventide> Sorry about the trouble, this is my first time using linux
[08:09] <fragment> Best place to set JAVA_HOME systemwide?
[08:10] <eventide> get the msg?
[08:13] <calc> his laptop didn't list a wifi pci card at all, very odd
[08:13] <calc> the sis thing was just the pci bridge
[08:13] <fragment> No takers?  OK, BRB...
[08:14] <RuffianSoldier> ILL TAKE!
[08:15] <calc> erm when did CSS get patented?
[08:15] <HrdwrBoB> it's not patented, it's encumbered
[08:15] <calc> it says its patented on the page, haha
[08:15] <calc> its not even encumbered anymore iirc
[08:15] <calc> istr they lost their lawsuit
[08:15] <HrdwrBoB> er
[08:15] <HrdwrBoB> yes it is
[08:15] <calc> it was a trade secret which is no longer
[08:16] <HrdwrBoB> yeah, that's fine except in the US
[08:16] <ranman> calc: i found a thread in german talking about this problem.. seems he updated his bios and it went away...
[08:16] <HrdwrBoB> where you get all kinds of DMCA whooparse
[08:16] <ranman> http://www.unixboard.de/vb3/showthread.php?t=6623&goto=nextnewest
[08:16] <ranman> http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.unixboard.de/vb3/showthread.php%3Ft%3D6623%26goto%3Dnextnewest&prev=/search%3Fq%3Donboard%2Bethernet%2BUnknown%2Bdevice%2B0003%26start%3D20%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26client%3Dfirefox%26sa%3DN
[08:25] <calc> anyone know what driver is used for 802.11b prism devices in regular kernel?
[08:25] <calc> or is it not supported in the kernel itself?
[08:26] <calc> oops
[08:27] <calc> i had him flood himself off by accident
[08:27] <HrdwrBoB> haha
[08:27] <HrdwrBoB> whoops :)
[08:28] <ranman> calc: http://prism54.org/supported_cards.php
[08:29] <calc> ranman: i meant for the prism1/2/2.5/3 chips
[08:29] <calc> prism54 seems to just do the new ones
[08:29] <ranman> holdon..
[08:30] <calc> for 2.4 it appears to be linux-wlan-ng-*
[08:30] <calc> but for 2.6 not sure what does it
[08:31] <ranman> usb?
[08:31] <calc> ranman: yea for usb
[08:32] <HrdwrBoB> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:32] <HrdwrBoB> can someone have a look at that and tell me what they think
[08:33] <ranman> hmm, I was going to send you a link, but then you had to say the 2.6 word...
[08:35] <ranman> host-ap for prism 2/2.5/3 http://hostap.epitest.fi/
[08:36] <calc> ranman: yea it appears ubuntu uses 2.6 and that 2.6 doesn't have the prism 1/2/2.5 drivers and linux-wlan-ng is only avail for 2.4
[08:36] <calc> very odd
[08:37] <ranman> also checkout http://www.linux-wlan.com/linux-wlan/index.html
[08:38] <calc> yea looking there already
[08:38] <ranman> hmmm, That is why took me so long to switch to 2.6... Only reason I switched now, was because of hald...
[08:39] <HrdwrBoB> apparently support is there
[08:39] <HrdwrBoB> but you need firmware from Prism54.org
[08:40] <ranman> under 2.6 my video is screwed... mach64 should be buried with that hydrogen bomb off of Georgia..
[08:45] <calc> did c-a-backspace get unmapped in ubuntu?
[08:45] <calc> eventide hit it and it didn't kill gnome for him
[08:45] <HrdwrBoB> calc: not afaik
[08:45] <HrdwrBoB> though gdm will automatically restart
[08:45] <calc> yea
[08:46] <calc> heh i think it worked he is no longer on irc now
[08:46] <HrdwrBoB> I'm also not about to test given that I'm in the middle of working :P
[08:48] <eventide> still no touchpad
[08:48] <ranman> eventide, do you have gpm running?
[08:50] <calc> ranman: does gpm even come with ubuntu?
[08:50] <ranman> I would hope so, since you must have that running to have touchpad...
[08:51] <calc> ranman: er what?
[08:51] <calc> ranman: he is talking about touchpad not working in gnome, no need for gpm for that
[08:51] <ranman> afaik, you must have gpm configured and running for the X touchpad driver to work..
[08:52] <ranman> I have no problems with my touchpad..
[08:53] <calc> hmm that is strange
[08:53] <calc> touchpad on my laptop works fine without it
[08:53] <HrdwrBoB> I have to say
[08:53] <HrdwrBoB> I hate the ubuntu website :)
[08:53] <HrdwrBoB> also the whole wiki+website schmozzle is kind crappy
[08:54] <HrdwrBoB> ah well
[08:54] <opi^work> hehe
[08:54] <opi^work> I'll play with Ubuntu-PL design today at home
[08:55] <ranman> or Kernels >= 2.6 also you need the psmouse driver loaded in order to correctly use a Synaptics Touchpad. <-- http://tuxmobil.org/touchpad_driver.html
[08:59] <calc> ranman: he loaded psmouse and restarted xfree (via c-a-b) and it still didn't see it :\
[08:59] <RuffianSoldier> is there a powerPC live CD?
[08:59] <calc> but it seems others have had similar issues with the laptop as well
[08:59] <calc> he found a thread about someone else not being able to get it to work
[08:59] <RuffianSoldier> Is there a Linux Live CD for a Power PC platform?
[09:05] <RuffianSoldier> bye
[09:31] <hartbrkr> I just installed ubuntu, and i don't recall it asking me to set a root password, just a new username and password. how can I change the root password?
[09:34] <t35t0r> if you are root
[09:34] <t35t0r> passwd
[09:34] <t35t0r> or passwd root
[09:34] <fabbione> hartbrkr: sudo passwd
[09:34] <fabbione> hartbrkr: the default user has full sudo access
[09:34] <hartbrkr> ah ok, so does that mean that the root password is set to something random?
[09:35] <fabbione> hartbrkr: kinda yes
[09:35] <hartbrkr> so as my regular user can I just do "sudo passwd root" and change the root password?
[09:36] <fabbione> hartbrkr: correct
[09:36] <hartbrkr> cool, thanks
[09:36] <fabbione> but there is no need to have a root passwd
[09:36] <fabbione> since you have sudo :-)
[09:36] <t35t0r> uhh
[09:37] <t35t0r> sometimes it helps to be in a root shell
[09:37] <joem> heh, everybody seems to think they are getting the shaft by not having a root password
[09:37] <t35t0r> so in ubuntu i can't su - ?
[09:37] <fabbione> t35t0r: what's the difference in sudo su - and su - ?
[09:37] <opi^work> t35t0r: try sudo /bin/bash ;p
[09:38] <zakili> hi to all
[09:38] <t35t0r> so i can't ssh root@localhost ?
[09:38] <zakili> is there somebody from YU?
[09:39] <joem> ssh user@localhost sudo su -
[09:40] <t35t0r> well that's not a problem i can just get a knoppix cd or something mount the partition and do whatever
[09:40] <zakili> i enable root account with #sudo passwd root
[09:40] <zakili> is it dangerous?
[09:40] <joem> zakili, were talking about why root isn't needed because user has full sudo privs
[09:41] <joem>  ssh -t user@localhost sudo su - I mean
[09:46] <zakili> it's easy to me to have root account..log in...do stuff..log out
[09:47] <joem> dunno, sudo is pretty easy
[09:47] <jordi> zakili: sudo passwd root I guess
[09:51] <zakili> jordi:yes
[09:53] <zakili> where i can find some tutorial about wiki? It's preaty complicate to me :) 
[09:53] <jordi> there should be some help link around the wiki
[09:54] <zakili> i find it..thanks
[09:54] <zakili> is there some ubuntu community forum
[09:55] <joem> no
[09:55] <Lathiat> Is there are in progress Xorg package stuff available?
[09:55] <joem> xorg will be in the hoary release
[09:55] <fabbione> Lathiat: i am working on them
[09:55] <joem> faq on the site
[09:56] <zakili> 10x
[09:56] <fabbione> Lathiat: pre-release packages are expected arounf mid/end novemeber
[09:57] <Lathiat> fabbione: ah okie
[09:57] <Lathiat> fabbione: nothing at the moment then, even ones thatl break my system and if i bitch about it youll hang me? :)
[09:58] <fabbione> Lathiat: i onjly have one binary package ready that will mostlikely uninstall all xfree86 and provides the build-tools for xorg
[09:59] <fabbione> Lathiat: so basically no
[09:59] <Lathiat> rightio :)
[09:59] <Lathiat> ooh blam is funky
[10:00] <fabbione> Lathiat: i am doing these packages in my spare time since we are still focusing on Warty release
[10:00] <Lathiat> fabbione: :)
[10:00] <Lathiat> Just curious
[10:00] <fabbione> Lathiat: and my spare time = when i can't sleep at night because i suffer of insomnia
[10:00] <Lathiat> mani cant wait till my exams are over
[10:00] <fabbione> that doesn't really make them "high" quality
[10:00] <Lathiat> be able to get back into getting involved with some stuff
[10:01] <Treenaks> fabbione: is there a final date for release yet?
[10:01] <calc> probably before debian sarge ;)
[10:02] <Treenaks> calc: you say that like it's a hard thing to accomplish :P
[10:02] <calc> Treenaks: not hard when the main debian developers are also ubuntu people... ;)
[10:03] <Lathiat> (@ before sarge)
[10:03] <Lathiat> maybe perky penguin will be out before sarge? :>
[10:03] <TerminX> worst.  release names.  ever.
[10:03] <TerminX> :p
[10:04] <Lathiat> i like perky penguin :)
[10:04] <Lathiat> warty is cool
[10:04] <Lathiat> hoary wont be as cool
[10:04] <TerminX> they should call it.. uhh.. warhammer!
[10:04] <TerminX> instead of warty
[10:04] <TerminX> :D
[10:04] <calc> hoary whore?
[10:06] <Lathiat> heh
[10:16] <arturaz> hey
[10:16] <arturaz> why ubuntu doesn't have mp3 support by default?
[10:17] <|trey|> arturaz: activate universe and install gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:18] <phosphorgreen> it violates the GPL
[10:18] <|trey|> arturaz: its because of patent issues
[10:18] <|trey|> phosphorgreen: no, not at all.
[10:18] <arturaz> someone should add this to faq :)
[10:18] <|trey|> arturaz: umm, its a new thing... just happened yesturday I think...
[10:19] <|trey|> first installs didn't have it in universe
[10:19] <arturaz> anyway
[10:19] <arturaz> i was thinking about joining your team
[10:19] <Lathiat> hmm got nautilus stuck in a drag and drop it refused to stop
[10:19] <Lathiat> never seen that before
[10:19] <arturaz> i have pretty good expierence in debian, packaging and linux overall
[10:20] <arturaz> at start - we should backport xchat from experimental to main
[10:20] <arturaz> i guess you should find someone to be responsible for that package, shouldn't you?
[10:20] <|trey|> arturaz: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/maintainers
[10:21] <|trey|> arturaz: it will go into main for hoary more then likely... 2.4 isn't that different from 2.0 though... just a bug fix release apparently... even says on their site the version jump is for no apparent reason...
[10:22] <arturaz> new userlist and theme are worth it ;)
[10:23] <|trey|> arturaz: not at all... would delay a release...
[10:23] <|trey|> arturaz: if it makes it into sid before November, it will be in Hoary...
[10:24] <|trey|> XChat is hardly a release critical application  :/
[10:24] <Lathiat> heh
[10:25] <arturaz> if it ain't buggy - why we should delay it?
[10:25] <Mithrandir> |trey|: everything in the seed lists is release critical.
[10:25] <|trey|> arturaz: but it is buggy, else it wouldn't be in experimental
[10:25] <Lathiat> why hasnt it transitioned to sid?
[10:25] <Lathiat> let alone testing :)
[10:26] <Lathiat> or have they frozen testing now?
[10:26] <|trey|> Mithrandir: Not entirely what you mean by "seed list"  :(
[10:26] <arturaz> Package: xchat; Severity: minor; Reported by: Yves Junqueira <junqueira@brturbo.com>; Tags: sid, upstream; 1 year and 95 days old.
[10:26] <arturaz> i like how bugs are getting fixed :))
[10:26] <Lathiat> heh
[10:26] <Mithrandir> |trey|: the lists on the wiki that decide what makes up main
[10:27] <Xyverz> huh.
[10:27] <Mithrandir> |trey|: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fBaseSeed http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fInstallerSeed and so on
[10:27] <Xyverz> I didn't notice that the installer would let me set up RAID....
[10:28] <|trey|> Mithrandir: ahh, thats a lot of stuff that are release critical  :)
[10:28] <|trey|> Mithrandir: still don't see XChat though  ;)
[10:29] <Mithrandir> |trey|: should be on DesktopSeed, I'd imagine
[10:31] <Treenaks> Xyverz: I _think_ you can choose to make it RAID in the partitioner
[10:32] <Xyverz> Treenaks: yeh, I've got that going, but it hasn't asked me about the volume, etc.
[10:32] <|trey|> Mithrandir: nope  8)
[10:33] <Xyverz> so we'll see.
[10:33] <Mithrandir> |trey|: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fDesktopSeed has it.
[10:33] <Mithrandir> |trey|: under "Other Desktop GUI Apps"
[10:34] <|trey|> Mithrandir: ahh, missed it... craziness... such an insignificant app can delay release  :(
[10:35] <|trey|> Especially when GAIM has simular functionality  :/
[10:38] <|trey|> Mithrandir: anyone proposed gdebconf? haven't used it, but surely if it allows users to click options that are asked (as I would suspect) it should be considered?
[10:39] <|trey|> As little ncurses as possible is a Good Thing (tm) for a desktop distro  :)
[10:40] <sap> Hello, just a quick question. I tried to install ubuntu earlier and at the point of trying to install grub in boot sector i got the following 'Unable to install GRUB in (hd0).'
[10:40] <ranman> hd0??
[10:40] <ranman> bug..
[10:41] <sap> i'm not too bothered since i alway have lilo installed and can boot into ubuntu using that (probably:))
[10:41] <ranman> maybe a manual install of grub is in order...
[10:41] <sap> just wanted to see whether it was a bug and whether i should report it
[10:41] <Xyverz> sap: for the grub-install?
[10:41] <ranman> if is really is hd0, I would say that it is a bug..
[10:41] <ranman> should be hda..
[10:42] <Mithrandir> |trey|: we'll be looking at gnome-debconf for hoary
[10:42] <sap> yep, it was followed by this "Executing 'grub-install (hd0)' failed"
[10:43] <sap> This is a fatal error
[10:43] <Xyverz> I totally wish ubuntu gave me a choice of keymaps during installation.  having to actually look at my keyboard to type in qwerty is friggin' ANNOYING.
[10:43] <|trey|> Mithrandir: how does that differ?
[10:43] <Xyverz> sap: install manually.  
[10:43] <|trey|> Mithrandir: only seen gdebconf... it was in Sid last I checked...
[10:44] <Mithrandir> |trey|: we're probably talking about the same thing :)
[10:44] <|trey|> Mithrandir: I think so too... know of anywhere to see it in action?  :)
[10:45] <Mithrandir> |trey|: dpkg-reconfigure debconf and select it there.
[10:47] <|trey|> Mithrandir: plus install libgnome2-perl  :)
[10:48] <|trey|> I thought that thing died?
[10:54] <opi^work> |trey|: hit it with a stick and see if it's move ;)
[10:55] <|trey|> opi^work: hah... stupid lpr, its ancient  :(
[10:56] <|trey|> Backwards compatibility is the worst thing to ever happen in the computer world, holds back technologies  :(
[10:56] <plovs_work> |trey|, welcome to the real world
[10:56] <|trey|> plovs_work: the real world sucks ass  [angryface] 
[10:57] <|trey|> rburton: Hey Ross... it must be cool for strangers to know your name  8)
[10:58] <wu_ming> hi does usb2 too automatically work ?
[10:58] <ranman> Yes, backwards compatibility is bad.. You should have to delete all of your former configuration between gnome versions...
[10:58] <rburton> |trey|: i get it everywhere i go ;)
[10:59] <|trey|> rburton: grr... I just noticed its part of your hostmask... now I don't look so cool, so imma go back to talking to hot chicks  8)
[10:59] <|trey|> Congrats on the marriage though  :)
[10:59] <|trey|> (kinda belated, but yeah)
[11:39] <wu_ming> how do i run a hardware browser?
[11:39] <wu_ming> like to browse hardware/devices esp usb devices
[11:39] <pdamoc> hello
[11:39] <pdamoc> are there any open source ubuntu book
[11:40] <joem> its pretty new
[11:40] <joem> I'd wait a bit for a book
[11:41] <pdamoc> :D well.. actually I was refering to the philosophy
[11:41] <pdamoc> like "No Future Without Forgiveness" by Tutu... I would like to see that as an open source book 
[11:41] <joem> ah
[11:42] <pdamoc> or "Reconciliation: The Ubuntu Theology of Desmond Tutu" by Battle
[11:44] <wu_ming> how do i browse my hardware, anyone know?
[11:45] <joem> you can install hal-device-manager
[11:45] <wu_ming> ok thanks
[11:45] <wu_ming> so gnome 2.8 doesnt have any device manager by default?? thats wierd
[11:46] <Treenaks> wu_ming: why is that weird?
[11:46] <wu_ming> well kde has one
[11:46] <ranman> wu_ming: Yes, it has... 
[11:47] <joem> device managers aren't really useful
[11:47] <Treenaks> wu_ming: the fact that KDE has something doesn't make it weird that gnome doesn't...
[11:47] <joem> not the same way they are on windows
[11:47] <joem> you cant install drivers via the menus or do anything but look
[11:47] <wu_ming> i need to mount a usb
[11:47] <Treenaks> wu_ming: just plug it in..
[11:47] <joem> you don't need a device manager for that
[11:47] <wu_ming> doesnt detect it 
[11:47] <Treenaks> wu_ming: it should appear on the desktop
[11:47] <wu_ming> nope
[11:47] <Lathiat> wu_ming: If your using ubuntu and just plug it in it should just work
[11:47] <Lathiat> wu_ming: a usb what?
[11:47] <wu_ming> for usb2 as well
[11:47] <wu_ming> usb 1 works well
[11:47] <wu_ming> but not usb2
[11:48] <Lathiat> There should be no difference
[11:48] <Lathiat> unless they are different ports
[11:48] <wu_ming> usb mass storage device
[11:48] <wu_ming> what ports?
[11:48] <Treenaks> wu_ming: harddisk? card reader?
[11:48] <wu_ming> dont know anything about ports
[11:48] <wu_ming> hardisk - 4gb
[11:48] <Lathiat> wu_ming: ports as in the thing you plug the usb device into
[11:48] <Lathiat> rectnagular, metal, on the side of your computer/laptop?
[11:48] <wu_ming> dont know, motherboard said i got 4 usb2 devices
[11:48] <wu_ming> so i just plug into any 
[11:49] <Lathiat> and it doesnt work?
[11:49] <Treenaks> wu_ming: usb1 and usb2 are completely interchangeable
[11:49] <azeem> wu_ming: is hald running?
[11:49] <Lathiat> azeem: run this: ps aux|grep hal 
[11:49] <wu_ming> oh
[11:49] <Lathiat> and paste?
[11:49] <mkyc-ubuntu> sigh.. anyone else subscribed to the mailing list thinking about unsubing ?
[11:50] <wu_ming> yeah hal is runnign
[11:50] <wu_ming> hal       3780  0.0  1.3  5744 4492 ?        Ss   05:33   0:00 /usr/sbin/hald --drop-privileges
[11:50] <Lathiat> wu_ming: dmesg |tail and paste to me in a privmsg?
[11:50] <joem> mkyc-ubuntu, already did
[11:50] <joem> traffic was to much
[11:50] <mkyc-ubuntu> 315 messages a day is ridiculous
[11:50] <Lathiat> and lsusb as well (while its plugged in)
[11:50] <Lathiat> mkyc-ubuntu: obviously havent subscribed to the php mailing list then
[11:51] <crimsun> heh, no kidding
[11:51] <Lathiat> a couple years ago it was like 500+ messages a day
[11:51] <wu_ming> how to private msg
[11:51] <crimsun> 315 is a healthy flow but nothing overkill
[11:51] <mkyc-ubuntu> Lathiat, no but i would unsub from anything that was >200
[11:51] <Lathiat> wu_ming: /query lathiat and paste in that window
[11:56] <tof--> is realplayer 10 plugin works with firefox 1.0 ??
[12:02] <joem> anybody know if I can pass a location as root instead of a device in grub
[12:02] <joem> like if I did:
[12:02] <joem> root(hd0,2) kernel /boot/blah root=/somedir
[12:03] <Lathiat> you mean like a subdirectory of a partition?
[12:03] <joem> yea
[12:03] <joem> so it will use that dir as the / dir
[12:05] <Lathiat> You can't really do that directly
[12:05] <joem> is there a way to do it via the bootloader
[12:06] <Lathiat> not really, you could probably do it as part of an initrd
[12:06] <Lathiat> and chroot
[12:06] <joem> arg, that is more then I want to look up at the moment
[12:06] <Lathiat> or possibly pivot_root
[12:06] <Lathiat> heh
[12:06] <Lathiat> What are you trying to do?
[12:06] <Lathiat> multi-boot a system?
[12:07] <joem> do some testing with another distro without creating other partitions
[12:07] <Lathiat> ah
[12:07] <Lathiat> you could do it with a usermodelinux virtual machine perhaps?
[12:07] <emk> Lathiat: you can do that directly... pivot root
[12:07] <Lathiat> or vmware
[12:07] <joem> pivot root eh?
[12:07] <Lathiat> emk: yeh but wouldnt you need to hack up an initrd to do it?
[12:08] <Lathiat> chroot or pivot_rooted
[12:16] <joh> Hello, after my ubuntu system has been running for a while, hald suddenly uses cpu a lot in small heartbeeps, making the system lag a lot. Anyone experienced the same problem?
[12:17] <ranman> joh: nope.
[12:24] <Lathiat> joh: do you know what strace is?
[12:25] <Lathiat> if you could possibly figure out what its doing and file a bug it woudl be good
[12:25] <joh> Lathiat: ok, I'll try.
[12:26] <Lathiat> Cheers
[12:26] <Lathiat> I've never seen that problem
[12:26] <Lathiat> do you have any "exotic" hardware?
[12:28] <joh> Lathiat: I don't think so.. :P nforce2 is considered "exotic" I presume... :P
[12:45] <leonv> Howdey, I am getting the following in gnome, Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found. I am on an AMD64 using a VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 onboard card
[12:46] <Darknite> good one since this is about the config I will have come this weekend
[12:55] <iainm> I'm currently running debian sid, but I've decided to jump across to ubuntu. I think this is a good time to clean up my home directory, so I'm saving what I need (or otherwise want to keep) and clobbering the rest. How do I get my evolution data across?
[12:55] <iainm> I suspect I might be okay with just copying ~/.evolution
[12:55] <iainm> can anyone confirm that that works or otherwise?
[12:57] <hazmat> iainm, i don't know that evolution 1.4 -> 2.0 works at all
[12:57] <joem> it should work
[12:58] <togs> i've installed apache with what I believe are the appropiate PHP packages, yet firefox doesn't display the index.php page, it pops up with an open file dialog. any ideas?
[12:58] <joem> it should transfer settings on first run
[12:58] <z4k4ri4> togs: I just did that
[12:58] <z4k4ri4> edit /etc/apache/httpd.conf
[12:59] <togs> oky
[12:59] <z4k4ri4> find the thing about Add Handler
[12:59] <z4k4ri4> just do a search on php
[12:59] <z4k4ri4> and uncomment it
[12:59] <togs> oky
[01:00] <togs> the only line in hpptd.conf is about backwards compatibility
[01:00] <togs> i got apache2, i think
[01:02] <iainm> hazmat, I'm using 2.0 now.
[01:05] <z4k4ri4> Oops, I still use apache 1
[01:07] <pitti> sivang: could you recover your system?
[01:07] <pitti> sivang: did you find out why dpkg breaked?
[01:08] <sivang> pitti : Not yet ;( have been busy with a SCSI server I am trying to build, do you know anything aboud it?
[01:08] <pitti> sivang: no, sorry
[01:11] <joem> pitti, do you do hal/gvm stuff?
[01:11] <pitti> joem: yes, I do
[01:11] <joem> have a minute or so to help me trouble shoot?
[01:11] <pitti> joem: of course :-)
[01:12] <joem> I don't have any portable media to test with, so all I have is cdroms
[01:12] <joem> but gvm doesn't seem to mount them
[01:13] <joem> and when I do mount them, I don't get any of the proper icons, just the grey hardisk one
[01:13] <joem> seems like something is up with hal
[01:13] <sivang> pitti : anyway, I will try mouting the XFS / partition see if I can grab any log from there for the dpkg segfault
[01:13] <pitti> joem: hmm. Can you please do "pidof gnome-volume-manager" and see whether it outputs anything?
[01:13] <joem> yea it gives the pid
[01:14] <pitti> joem: okay, then it's running. is your CD-ROM in /etc/fstab?
[01:14] <pitti> joem: internal CD-ROMs should be set up automatically during installation
[01:14] <pitti> joem: or is this a hotpluggable USB CD-ROM?
[01:15] <joem> it is internal
[01:15] <joem> and it is in fstab
[01:15] <pitti> joem: hmm, that's odd. Did you modify anything in fstab?
[01:15] <pitti> joem: can you see the cd-rom in "Disks"?
[01:15] <joem> yea
[01:16] <pitti> joem: ah, I've got an idea. Can you please /msg me the contents of /etc/fstab (only the CD-ROM lines)
[01:16] <joem> sure
[01:17] <Iorek> oy people. Somebody know how you default the Num Lock to On?
[01:18] <hypn0> dont u have a bios option
[01:18] <Treenaks> hypn0: the kernel turns it off on boot
[01:18] <goatboy> Iorek: sudo apt-get install numlockx
[01:18] <Iorek> okay:)
[01:21] <Iorek> done...
[01:22] <Iorek> oh, and is it normal that a USB stick refuses to get unmounted when nautilus is running?
[01:24] <Iorek> seems rather odd, because when when you go to computer:/// in nautilus and rightclick a drive it offers the option "unmount", but it can't unmount because if nautilus is runing the device is still running...
[01:24] <Iorek> bit of a catch-22 there
[01:27] <sivang> anybody have a couple of remaining gmail invites?
[01:28] <Iorek> yeah
[01:28] <sivang> i need one
[01:28] <Iorek> but if I spread them around to unknowns, they'll SPAM me
[01:28] <Iorek> *totally paranoid*
[01:28] <joebeastie> heh
[01:29] <sivang> Iorek : well, I don't intend to spam you - I need for my brother who's starting univ, and need a couple of megs for students notifications, mailing listst etc. I _PROMISE_ never to spam you.
[01:29] <sivang> Iorek : I can give you mine, so you could spam me back if I do the same to you ;)
[01:29] <joebeastie> i doubt it. probably a hold out for all of your pr0n
[01:30] <Iorek> sivang msg me his address
[01:30] <Iorek> unless you really want it spammed, then you can just post it inhere ;)
[01:31] <iainm> sivang, ispool.net
[01:31] <iainm> um. That's not what I meant.
[01:31] <iainm> isnoop.net, I think
[01:31] <iainm> they have a gmail invite spooler.
[01:36] <nothing23> nfrm
[01:36] <nothing23> d'oh sorry
[01:43] <togs> how do you restart the apache service?
[01:46] <zenwhen> I find it odd that Ubutu wont boot from my existing lilo install.
[01:46] <zenwhen> Ubuntu*\
[01:51] <togs> I can't find the apache restart command, anybody know where it is?
[01:51] <Treenaks> togs: sudo invoke-rc.d apache restart 
[01:51] <Treenaks> (replace apache by apache2 if you're running apache2)
[01:51] <togs> oky
[01:51] <togs> one sec, ill try that
[01:52] <Treenaks> invoke-rc.d is your friend :)
[01:52] <togs> brilliant
[01:52] <togs> you use the same command to restart most services, swapping out apache?
[01:53] <zenwhen> Does anyone have any idea why Ubuntu wont boot from my existing lilo install like every other distro i have tried out omn my testing partition?
[01:54] <togs> still can't get it to display my index.php page, it comes up with the open file dialog
[01:54] <zenwhen> I Put its kernel in my /boot, and pointed it to the correct root partition, but for some reason the kernel looks for 3,2
[01:54] <zenwhen> *1
[01:54] <zenwhen> 3,1
[01:54] <Treenaks> zenwhen: you forgot the initrd?
[01:55] <zenwhen> it requiers one?
[01:55] <zenwhen> oh
[01:55] <Treenaks> uh, yes?
[01:55] <zenwhen> requires*
[01:55] <zenwhen> Oh
[01:55] <zenwhen> I havent dealt with a distro like that for a while.
[01:55] <zenwhen> Seems smartest to me to have filseystem and storage device drivers in the kernel so as not to need one
[01:56] <Treenaks> only when you compile your own kernels..
[01:56] <togs> i've got php installed up to the eyeballs, just restarted apache2, but it still doesn't display
[01:56] <Treenaks> because otherwise you'll have 16M of cruft in your kernel
[01:56] <Treenaks> togs: learn perl then..
[01:59] <togs> whats different about the packages with the ubuntu symbol next to them?
[01:59] <Treenaks> togs: context
[01:59] <spiv> togs: In synaptic?
[02:00] <togs> yes spiv
[02:00] <spiv> They're supported packages.
[02:00] <spiv> As opposed to packages from e.g. universe.
[02:01] <togs> ah
[02:01] <togs> i see
[02:01] <togs> cheers
[02:09] <togs> buggered if I know wfat, but I'm getting a debugger message now, better then the open file :)
[02:11] <togs> yeah, it working now :)
[02:22] <lothario> After 5 days I really dig ubuntu, but it won't do for me if I can't mount usb stick drive ;
[02:24] <lothario> why does my cpu jump to 99% when I plug the stick drive into usb??
[02:28] <Iorek> lothario try updating the packages
[02:28] <Iorek> didn't work for me either
[02:28] <Iorek> until I did that
[02:28] <Iorek> (or maybe just updating "hotplug" should do it too :P)
[02:29] <Iorek> it's working now
[02:29] <Treenaks> Iorek: try running "dmesg" when you plug it in
[02:29] <Treenaks> ow wait
[02:29] <Treenaks> ti's working :)
[02:29] <Iorek> yes. 'tis now :)
[02:29] <lothario> dmesg tells me there's an I/O error
[02:29] <lothario> among other stuff
[02:30] <Treenaks> lothario: have you tried booting with acpi=off, pci=noacpi, noapic and/or nolapic kernel options?
[02:31] <lothario> Treenaks: I've tried none of the above, I don't know how to set such variables ;(
[02:32] <Treenaks> lothario: reboot, press ESC to open the bootloader menu, press "e" to edit, and add these options
[02:32] <Treenaks> (to the line that already has root= etc. on it)
[02:32] <Treenaks> then press "b" to boot
[02:34] <lothario> Treenaks: should I do all four options at one time, or should I try one at a time?
[02:34] <Treenaks> lothario: try all four first, then remove one at a time, until it breaks again, then try with only the option that -- if removed -- "breaks" it
[02:35] <Treenaks> lothario: or, try one at a time, and if one doesn't work, try combinations
[02:35] <Treenaks> lothario: and work up
[02:36] <lothario> Treenaks: thanks, time to reboot.
[02:36] <Treenaks> lothario: good luck
[02:42] <lothario> Treenaks: I'm at the edit screen in bootloader, I don't know where to enter those options you suggested..
[02:43] <lothario> I see five lines root,  kernel,  initrd,  savedefault,  and  boot start each line
[02:44] <Treenaks> lothario: go to the "kernel" line (which also has "root=" in it somehwere I guess)
[02:44] <Treenaks> lothario: then press "e" to edit the line (there's help at the bottom of the screen)
[02:44] <Treenaks> lothario: then add the options to the line, press ENTER to finalize, then press "b" to boot it
[02:45] <lothario> any punctuation between the options??
[02:45] <Treenaks> a space.. just like the options that are already there
[02:46] <Treenaks> so you add "acpi=off noapic nolapic pci=noacpi" (if you do acpi=off, pci=noacpi is automatically on as well, for obvious reasons)
[02:46] <zenwhen> Odd
[02:46] <Treenaks> zenwhen: odd?
[02:46] <lothario> Treenaks: thanks
[02:46] <zenwhen> couldnt get ubuntu to use my tried and tru x config
[02:47] <zenwhen> Said it couldnt find the devices
[02:47] <zenwhen> though I have them and have always had them corrct in my xorg.conf. 
[02:47] <Treenaks> zenwhen: let dpkg-reconfigure sort it out..
[02:47] <silva> is there a workarround to allow me to add search engines to the firefox search box
[02:47] <zenwhen> what does dpkg-reconfigure do?
[02:48] <silva> zenwhen: make sure nvidia is listed in /etc/modules
[02:48] <Treenaks> zenwhen: it can create a new X config file for you
[02:48] <zenwhen> oh
[02:48] <zenwhen> I wonder why this one doesnt work
[02:48] <zenwhen> Its worked in a few other distros as well.
[02:48] <zenwhen> Odd.
[02:49] <zenwhen> I dont so much want a new one as I want this exact setup.
[02:49] <goatboy> zenwhen: ubuntu uses XF86Config-4, not xorg.conf.
[02:49] <zenwhen> Oh I know
[02:49] <zenwhen> I put this file in /etc/X11 and renamed it as such
[02:50] <sivang> pitti : still around?
[02:50] <Treenaks> zenwhen: have you read /var/log/XFree86.0.log to see why it fails?
[02:50] <pitti> sivang: of course!
[02:50] <zenwhen> devices not found
[02:50] <Treenaks> zenwhen: before that
[02:50] <pitti> sivang: just waiting for two packages to get built
[02:50] <zenwhen> no, I havent
[02:50] <zenwhen> I figured said error was self explainatory
[02:51] <sivang> pitti : ok, let's see what happend to my dead warty
[02:51] <Treenaks> zenwhen: read from top to bottom.. devices not found is usually a result of something else going wrong
[02:51] <sivang> pitti : i will try now to mount the XFS parts from here (debian sid)
[02:53] <sivang> pitti : I have to load the XFS Module into the sid system...
[02:55] <sivang> pitti : where would I find any logs for dpkg breaking up? 
[02:56] <azeem> sivang: dpkg does not keep logs, AFAIK
[02:57] <sivang> azeem : oouch ;)
[02:59] <sivang> pitti : any idea why I can't log anymore? seems like system paths have changed or somethng.
[03:00] <sivang> pitti : I couldn't even ALT+CTRL+DEL "cannot find /sbin/shutdown"
[03:00] <pitti> sivang: a $PATH problem?
[03:00] <lothario> still no luck with usb hotplug ;/
[03:00] <pitti> sivang: forget it, it already contains the patg
[03:01] <pitti> lothario: your usb device is not mounted?
[03:01] <sivang> pitti : what?
[03:01] <sivang> pitti : I don't know where to start investigating this problem...
[03:01] <lothario> pitti: no, Treenaks had me add some options to bootloader
[03:01] <pitti> lothario: what does the Device Manager say? (package hal-device-manager)
[03:01] <sivang> pitti : I'd hate reinstalling again..
[03:02] <pitti> sivang: can you chroot to the ubuntu partition?
[03:02] <sivang> pitti : yes, sec.
[03:02] <lothario> dmesg says something about usb 2.2-2, my system is usb 1.1 - could this be part of problem??
[03:02] <sivang> pitti : chroot /mnt/ubuntu0
[03:02] <sivang> pitti ?
[03:03] <pitti> sivang: does it work?
[03:03] <pitti> lothario: I doubt it, 2.2-2 just looks like a package version number
[03:03] <sivang> pitti : chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Permission denied
[03:03] <azeem> perhaps you have messed with the umask?
[03:04] <Kamion> also check that the partition is not mounted noexec
[03:04] <pitti> sivang: ls -l /bin/bash
[03:04] <lothario> pitti: where is Device Manager?
[03:04] <pitti> sivang: just install the package "hal-device-manager"
[03:05] <sivang> pitti : -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 604108 2004-09-27 23:09 /mnt/ubuntu0/bin/bash
[03:06] <sivang> pitti : I can't
[03:06] <sivang> pitti : I can even log into the syste.
[03:06] <sivang> pitti : I can't chroot
[03:06] <sivang> pitti : all I did was aptitude update/upgrade.
[03:07] <pitti> sivang: without being chrooted, can you execute /mnt/ubuntu0/bin/bash?
[03:07] <sivang> pitti : bash: /mnt/ubuntu0/bin/bash: Permission denied
[03:08] <Kamion> sivang: I bet that filesystem is mounted noexec.
[03:08] <pitti> sivang: 'mount' -> what does it say?
[03:09] <sivang> Kamion : how do you 
[03:09] <enki> hey is there a howto on how to  make an initrd img for ubuntu?
[03:09] <pitti> Kamion: XFS has additional attributes, right? Maybe some ACLs are corrupted?
[03:09] <enki> because i want to compile a new kernel
[03:09] <sivang> Kamion : hit bullseye everytime ? ;-_
[03:10] <offray> Hi all
[03:10] <sivang> pitti : kamion's right
[03:10] <offray> can somebody post a line with the ubuntu repositories?
[03:10] <pitti> sivang: ugh, trivial solution...
[03:10] <Kamion> sivang: bitter experience :)
[03:10] <pitti> offray: what do you mean?
[03:10] <offray> I have tried them to install plone2 and seem the most apropiate
[03:10] <Kamion> offray: deb http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu warty main restricted
[03:10] <Kamion> offray: add 'universe' if you like
[03:10] <offray> pitti: a line of your sources.lits wher...
[03:10] <offray> thanks Kamion :)
[03:12] <lothario> pitti: must system reboot after installing hal-device-manager??
[03:12] <pitti> lothario: no, actually you do not even need to relogin
[03:13] <pitti> lothario: it should instantly appear in the Computer meu
[03:13] <pitti> lothario: menu, that is
[03:13] <lothario> pitti: I'm using fluxbox, better switch over to gnome
[03:13] <offray> I have probed ubuntu in varios machines. If I go with defaults things seems nice, but when I tried In my home I got a prompt shell without graphical screen :-(
[03:13] <offray> I dont know if this is related with nvidia
[03:14] <polok_> g'night
[03:14] <pitti> lothario: you can start 'hal-device-manager' in a shell, if you want
[03:14] <sivang> pitti : chrooted. what's next?
[03:15] <pitti> sivang: I thought that was it? Well, check /etc/fstab
[03:15] <sivang> pitti : ok, maybe the noexec option is propogated thyere?
[03:15] <pitti> sivang: if you can do stuff in the chroot, it should work as well when booted
[03:16] <pitti> sivang: do you use 'defaults'?
[03:16] <pitti> sivang: if not, you have to supply exec
[03:16] <sivang> pitti : wait, i'll check the fstb on the warty
[03:16] <mojo_> ha, can't way to get full release Ubuntu! Ubuntu roks!!!!!!!!
[03:17] <sivang> pitti : listen to this: I tried apt-get update this is what I get:
[03:17] <sivang> pitti : Fetched 4237kB in 1m16s (55.6kB/s)
[03:17] <sivang> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[03:17] <Mithrandir> sivang: what happens if you do that, then?
[03:17] <zenwhen> someone told me to use dpkg-reconfigure to reconfigure X
[03:17] <pitti> sivang: well, it finishes configuring the packages that weren't because it was somehow interrupted
[03:18] <zenwhen> wahst the name of the xfree package?
[03:18] <zenwhen> whats*
[03:18] <sivang> Mithrandir, pitti : it has "defaults" on /etc/fstab
[03:18] <sivang> Mithrandir, pitti : it's an XFS / filesystem
[03:18] <Treenaks> zenwhen: xserver-xfree86
[03:18] <zenwhen> Also, I found pppconfig
[03:19] <zenwhen> configured my dialup connection
[03:19] <zenwhen> and ppp-go isnt a command
[03:19] <zenwhen> lol
[03:19] <Treenaks> zenwhen: pon is
[03:19] <zenwhen> pon connects?
[03:19] <Treenaks> zenwhen: man pon
[03:19] <zenwhen> well
[03:19] <zenwhen> I have to reboot into ubuntu first
[03:19] <zenwhen> lol
[03:20] <Mithrandir> sivang: XFS / doesn't work very well with grub.
[03:20] <pitti> sivang: please repair your packages (with dpkg --configure -a, apt-get -f install, etc.) until a normal apt-get upgrade works
[03:20] <zenwhen> If i can ever get dialup setup I can stay in there and hack at this till I get everything going
[03:20] <lothario> pitti: only the device name shows up on Device Manager when plugged in
[03:20] <sivang> pitti : k
[03:20] <pitti> lothario: no Volume nodes? Okay, that's the explanation why nothing is mounted
[03:20] <lothario> cpu is running 99% again, it isn't mounted
[03:20] <Treenaks> lothario: what does the last line in  dmesg | tail say
[03:21] <zenwhen> I wish people I tlaked ot hadnt make ubuntu's installer out to be perfect at preconfiguring things like X. Ive never had such headaches getting X up.
[03:21] <Treenaks> zenwhen: uh.. it IS quite perfect at setting up X
[03:21] <Treenaks> zenwhen: it worked on 4 of my boxen
[03:22] <lothario> Treenaks: usb 2-2.2:USB disconnect, address 68
[03:22] <sivang> pitti : tigershark:/# dpkg --configure -a
[03:22] <sivang> dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 1:
[03:22] <sivang>  EOF after field name `'
[03:22] <Treenaks> lothario: did you do the acpi=off stuff
[03:23] <Kamion> sivang: /var/lib/dpkg/available is corrupted, run 'dselect update' to fix
[03:23] <zenwhen> Its not quite perfect considering the very common nature of all of my harware :p
[03:23] <zenwhen> hardware*
[03:23] <sivang> Kamion : updated. (replaced)
[03:23] <lothario> Treenaks, I did all four options and the symptoms were the similar, 
[03:24] <lothario> second time  I did only acpi=off and the system completely froze when usb device plugged in
[03:24] <pitti> sivang: oh, I also had this error once, but that was years ago
[03:24] <sivang> Kamion : am I better off using dselect instead of apt-get/aptitude ?
[03:24] <lothario> next I installed hal-package-manager as per pitti's suggestion
[03:24] <azeem> sivang: only if you want to fix the available file I guess
[03:24] <sivang> pitti : well, even if I installed from an old daily, it should let me update ok to go to a better version no?
[03:25] <pitti> sivang: yes, in any case
[03:25] <Kamion> sivang: 'dselect update' is a very specific use of dselect to update /var/lib/dpkg/available
[03:26] <sivang> Kamion : so it's not much suitable for everyday usage of install/remove/purge
[03:26] <Kamion> I didn't say that
[03:26] <Kamion> it works fine for me
[03:26] <Kamion> however, I've been using dselect for years and I'm very used to its user interface
[03:26] <sivang> Kamio :ok, I'll hit it's man page ASAP.
[03:26] <azeem> sivang: read the bottom
[03:27] <pitti> sivang: me too, I could never get used to aptitude and stuff. dselect rocks
[03:27] <sivang> pitti : you never told me you used dselect, you always told me "apt-get ....this and that" ;-)
[03:27] <Kamion> as far as I can see aptitude's UI is even *less* intuitive than dselect :)
[03:27] <Kamion> sivang: you can't give somebody a single command to install a package using dselect
[03:27] <azeem> BUGS
[03:27] <azeem> "The dselect package selection interface is confusing to some new users. Reportedly, it even makes seasoned kernel developers cry."
[03:27] <pitti> sivang: yes, if you know which package you need, apt-get isntall is the fastest and easiest method
[03:28] <opi^work> I've droped DSelect afeter second day with Debian
[03:28] <sivang> pitti : ok, and if I don't I just use dselect's task selection?
[03:28] <opi^work> and never came back
[03:28] <Kamion> dselect doesn't have task selection
[03:28] <sivang> Kamion : how  many commands are needed to install something using dselect?
[03:28] <lothario> Treenaks: actually here's the tail line of dmesg
[03:29] <Kamion> sivang: it's an interactive interface, not a command
[03:29] <pitti> sivang: dselect does not handle tasks IIRC. Either use apt-cache search or press '/' in dselect to search sth
[03:29] <sivang> I use aptitude like i used to use apt-get
[03:29] <HcE> use aptitude :)
[03:29] <sivang> it eats the same commands
[03:29] <lothario> sda: assuming drive cache: write through /dev/scsi/host67/bus0/target0/lun0
[03:30] <sivang> anyway I am booting back to my warty, see if it works now after that pkg list was corrected.
[03:30] <Kamion> sivang: no
[03:30] <sivang> be right back fellas
[03:30] <Kamion> sivang: try using the interface before asking more questions :-)
[03:31] <sivang> Kamion : alrighty then, my apologize for the blabber ;-0
[03:31] <pitti> azeem: vim is the least intuitive program I've ever seen; at the same time it is the most efficient one
[03:31] <pitti> azeem: so this is a matter of learning curve and experience
[03:31] <azeem> yeah, but I rarely do complicated package management tasks these days
[03:32] <azeem> while I edit stuff all day
[03:32] <azeem> anyway, I just find the manpage funny, I have nothing against dselect
[03:32] <pitti> azeem: that's what I meant. For my mother synaptic is good, for me apt-cache/apt-get rocks
[03:32] <pitti> azeem: that's why Debian is about choice :-)
[03:34] <sivang> back
[03:34] <pitti> tseng: as soon as you know commands like apt-get build-dep or apt-cache policy, you get enlightened about its power :-)
[03:34] <sivang> everything is back norma.
[03:34] <sivang> thanks pitti, kamion
[03:34] <tseng> pitti: i do build-dep all the time.
[03:35] <tseng> ive been wondering how to list files in a package, however
[03:35] <pitti> tseng: dpkg -L <package>
[03:36] <tseng> mmm, thanks.
[03:36] <tseng> i was looking at apt :P
[03:36] <pitti> tseng: apt does the high-level tasks only
[03:36] <pitti> tseng: dpkg -S <filename> is also a nice thing, if you want to know which pacakge installed <filename> :-)
[03:36] <tseng> ah, great
[03:38] <azeem> there are a couple of project which aim to pull all the various commands under one consistent CLI. However, none of them have really a huge followin, AFAIK
[03:39] <lothario> I give up, thanks for the help Treenaks and Pitti
[03:39] <pitti> lothario: what a pity
[03:40] <pitti> lothario: did it work with kernel 2.6.7?
[03:40] <pitti> lothario: 2.6.8 had some USB regressions
[03:40] <lothario> I just installed warty last week, so I don't think I had 2.6.7, don't know
[03:41] <pitti> lothario: ah, I see. It is still in the archive, though
[03:41] <lothario> is it possible to disable all hotplugging and mount the old way?
[03:41] <pitti> lothario: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.7-1-386
[03:41] <pitti> lothario: yes: Computer -> Desktop Settings -> Removable Media
[03:41] <pitti> lothario: just switch of automatic mounting there
[03:42] <lothario> pitti: i did that, didn't stop the runaway cpu when I plug device in ;/
[03:42] <pitti> lothario: oh, that was the problem.
[03:43] <pitti> lothario: which process uses the cpu? hal? (Start 'top' to find out)
[03:43] <lothario> pitti: as I recall it switched between hal and usb-agent
[03:45] <pitti> lothario: well, you can do 'apt-get remove hal' as a last resort
[03:45] <lothario> pitti: just rechecked - I instantly get about half a dozen usb.agent processes starting and stopping
[03:45] <pitti> lothario: sounds baaad...
[03:45] <zenwhen> Well dpkg-reconfigure on the xserver-xfree86 pkg didnt write a config file, and pon Bellsouth after "pppconfig"uring it didnt connect to the net, so I suppose I had better set up Ubunto when I have several hours to configure it by hand since the automated tools totally failed, and none of my standard configuration files work in Ubuntu.
[03:46] <Treenaks> zenwhen: type "dexconf" to generate the config file then
[03:46] <Kamion> zenwhen: if you edited /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 by hand, did you read the directions at the top of the file?
[03:47] <tony> Does anyone know how to get a didital camera to work with Ubuntu?
[03:47] <Kamion> zenwhen: I suspect not.
[03:47] <petemc> tony: gphoto2 has worked for me with a few camera
[03:47] <zenwhen> I might try that later if I muster the care to boot Ubuntu again. 
[03:53] <lothario> pitti If I install the 2.6.7 kernel will the 2.6.8 be removed? what about grub entry?
[03:54] <pitti> lothario: no, the other kernel remains there and the GRUB entry is automatically creted
[03:54] <pitti> lothario: created
[03:54] <pitti> lothario: when booting, press Esc during the 3 second-timeout and choose the 2.6.7 kernel
[03:55] <lothario> pitti: this whole package scheme really rocks for a newbie like me, thanks for the HELP ;)
[03:55] <pitti> lothario: no problem, you're welcome :-)
[03:56] <Walski> i was wondering - ive got 2 sound sources that alsa detected - 1- bt878 tv card and 1 - ac97 sound card
[03:57] <zenwhen> So all of you had a working generic X server config when you first installed Ubuntu?
[03:57] <Treenaks> zenwhen: I did..
[03:57] <Walski> and default gnome apps defalt to bt878 tv card
[03:58] <zenwhen> I find it so very odd that it didnt work at all for me. perhaps it has issues with my 6800?
[03:58] <Treenaks> zenwhen: look in bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:58] <Walski> apps like rthembox and totem and esd for that matter
[03:59] <zenwhen> I'll wait till they send out the CD's. Myabe the kinks will be worked out. I can configure everything myself in slackware. i wanted to see what all of this Ubuntu automated configuration stuff was about, and wound up very dissapointed. Thanks for the help though.
[03:59] <Treenaks> zenwhen: read the bug system! if your problem isn't there, report a bug, otherwise it won't be fixed
[04:02] <lothario> gotta go, thanks again
[04:07] <WW_> Does anyone know the name of the command for taking a screenshot?  I want to take a shot of just one window.  I've done it before, but I can't remember how :-)
[04:07] <Treenaks> WW_: there's a gnome thing for that in the menu
[04:07] <Treenaks> WW_: otherwise, xwd
[04:09] <WW_> Treenaks: "gnome" was the reminder that I needed. It's gnome-panel-screenshot.  Thanks.
[04:15] <sivang> everybody : I am working on an ubuntu guide that will explain and walkthrough major concepts, ideas and terminilogies for people coming from windows world
[04:15] <zenwhen> Apparently my video card just does not work with the Xserver included in Ubuntu
[04:16] <sivang> I'd like ubuntu newbies to use a list I've created on the wiki, to put there things that seem obscure, thnings they would like to know etc
[04:16] <Treenaks> zenwhen: did you guess that, or read that in the bug list?
[04:16] <zenwhen> Nvidia 6800, no go.
[04:16] <zenwhen> Well
[04:16] <sivang> that way the guide would be targetting at specific questions and uncertainties among never-used-linux users.
[04:16] <bobbyd> hi
[04:16] <zenwhen> A perfectly configured XF86Config errors with no Devices found when trying to load the nv driver.
[04:17] <Treenaks> zenwhen: file a bug, maybe it can be fixed before final
[04:17] <bobbyd> I'm looking for a distro that will do automatic hardware configuration, does ubuntu do that?
[04:17] <bobbyd> and does it have the latest version of kde? or is it gnome only?
[04:17] <Treenaks> bobbyd: currently it's gnome only, but it does detect hardware automagically
[04:18] <sivang> bobbyd : have a look at http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/UDP tell me what you think
[04:18] <bobbyd> Tresnar: I don't think I can live without kde, but I suppose it may be againt ubuntu's philosophy
[04:18] <Treenaks> bobbyd: it's not against philosophy, there's just not enough time, maybe in the next release
[04:18] <Treenaks> bobbyd: but the included Gnome is great
[04:19] <bobbyd> Tresnar: I've never tried gnome
[04:20] <bobbyd> sivang: looks good :)
[04:20] <Treenaks> bobbyd: it's easy.. 
[04:21] <zenwhen> Gnome is wonderful
[04:21] <bobbyd> Treenaks: I don't really see the point of changing desktop environments...
[04:22] <sivang> bobbyd : thanks
[04:22] <zenwhen> bobbyd, Its really no so much different and once you get used to it... it just has a better workflow.
[04:24] <bobbyd> zenwhen: in what sense, I'd try it if it were better, but I really don't know how to evaluate that
[04:34] <phosphorgreen> hi everyone any1 know any good cdwriting software thatll burn isos? (i need to burn ubuntu *in* ubuntu)
[04:34] <sivang> phosphorgreen : have you downloaded the ISO already?
[04:35] <phosphorgreen> yup
[04:35] <phosphorgreen> why?
[04:36] <aitrus> phosphorgreen: Right click on it and say "Write to disc"
[04:37] <phosphorgreen> ahha, the gnome 2.8 never fails to amaze
[04:37] <silva> Can someoen tell me a workarround so I can add search engines to firefox search box?
[04:38] <Chriffer> workaround silva?
[04:38] <spiv> phosphorgreen: Also, inserting a blank CD should start nautilus's CD burner (as controlled by Computer->Desktop Preferences->Removable Storage)
[04:39] <phosphorgreen> aitrus: It doesnt give me that option when right clicking on the iso file
[04:39] <silva> Chriffer, yeah, it wont add search engines unless i launch firefox from a root terminal
[04:39] <crash_> how to do so the normal user can acess a ntfs partiopn that is mounted in /mnt/mp3
[04:40] <silva> i think firefox permissions may be too restrictive
[04:40] <aitrus> phosphorgreen: do you have nautilus-cd-burner installed?
[04:41] <spiv> silva: sounds like a bug... submit a bug report.
[04:41] <silva> spiv, OK
[04:42] <aitrus> phosphorgreen: either look in synaptic or say "dpkg -l nautilus-cd-burner" from a terminal
[04:42] <phosphorgreen> aitrus: its installed
[04:45] <phosphorgreen> spiv: if i just drag an iso image onto the nautilus cd burner wont it burn it as a file, rather than an image?
[04:46] <arathnor> hello everyone! is there a chance of installing x.org instead of xfree86?
[04:46] <phosphorgreen> not yet arathor
[04:46] <Mithrandir> arathnor: for warty: no, for hoary: yes.
[04:46] <arathnor> is hoary the new version? :)
[04:47] <silva> arathnor, yeah wait a few months
[04:47] <aitrus> phosphorgreen: well, if the extension is .iso, and you have the cd burning stuff installed, i dont' know what the deal is.  maybe your burner isn't getting seen or something
[04:47] <spiv> phosphorgreen: It should get it right automagically, iirc.
[04:47] <wizz33> i have soem keybord probelems
[04:48] <spiv> phosphorgreen: I don't have CD burner here to test with, though.
[04:48] <arathnor> thanks  :)  i think ubuntu is a great idea but i read that the new versions will come very 6 months- did that changed? a 4.10.1 maybe? :)
[04:48] <arathnor> i wanted to say every, not very:)
[04:48] <phosphorgreen> is it just me every1 or is the amd64 version of ubuntu not too great yet
[04:48] <spiv> arathnor: That's still the case.
[04:48] <wizz33> + is on the : button and other thokns like that
[04:48] <TheCan> hi. is there any easy-to-use graphical configuration tool for samba/printer sharing in ubuntu?
[04:49] <arathnor> what about the daily isos?
[04:49] <spiv> arathnor: The next release will be 5.04 (As in 2005-04), nicknamed "Hoary Hedgehog".
[04:50] <spiv> There should be daily ISOs every day, I believe.
[04:50] <spiv> Encouraging testing is good! :)
[04:51] <Kamion> yep. daily ISOs might break for a bit as we switch them over to hoary, of course
[04:51] <Kamion> haven't *quite* worked out all the details for that yet ...
[04:51] <arathnor> i'm a little lost at the web pages, i couldnt find the package list or smth like that
[04:52] <jaunty_> anyone alive?
[04:52] <silva> TheCan, Computer/System Configuration/Networking/general/enable windows networking
[04:53] <TheCan> silva, i dont have this :(
[04:54] <silva> hmm it was there for my by default
[04:54] <wizz33> how do chance my keyboard map=
[04:54] <jaunty_> I wonder if anybody could help me mount a USB Pen Drive?
[04:54] <TheCan> silva, can you tell me what app it starts?
[04:55] <arathnor> thanks for answers, see ya all soon
[04:55] <Walski> where is the alsacong file in ubuntu?
[04:55] <Walski> alsaconf sorry :)
[04:55] <silva> TheCan, it opens a window titled 'Network Settings'
[04:55] <TheCan> silva, no the application itself i mean...rightclick on it and do properties and see what program it launches..
[04:55] <TheCan> oh sorry :(
[04:56] <TheCan> i forgot the networking..
[04:56] <silva> gksudo network-admin
[04:56] <TheCan> you are right it's there
[04:56] <bobbyd> jaunty_: do lsusb to sii it's it's recognised, look in your syslog to see if it knows it's a usb mass storage device when you plug it in...
[04:56] <TheCan> silva, ok but wehen i activate it it tells me there is no smb support installed
[04:56] <TheCan> allthough i have samba installed
[04:57] <silva> TheCan, I dont know exactly how to set up the printer, but that is how to enable samba
[04:57] <jaunty_> doesn't look like it's there
[04:57] <jaunty_> the only entry with a name is my mouse
[04:58] <silva> TheCan, make sure smbfs is installed through pkg manager
[04:58] <jaunty_> i plugged it in just after I installed initially, and it mounted automatically
[04:58] <TheCan> silva, yeah it isn't about the printer...if i just activate this "windows-network"
[04:58] <TheCan> ah ok i'll try this
[04:58] <jaunty_> but ever since I did an apt-get update, it hasn't worked
[04:59] <TheCan> silva, ic it seems not to have been installed, thanks for the hint!
[05:00] <silva> TheCan, also make sure you have the package named 'samba'
[05:00] <silva> i noticed that was not there by default
[05:00] <TheCan> silva, yeah i got samba..
[05:00] <TheCan> thats why i wondered why it isnt working
[05:00] <TheCan> samba is there by default i think..
[05:02] <crash_> how to do so the normal user can acess a ntfs partiopn that is mounted in /mnt/mp3?
[05:03] <TheCan> crash_, /dev/hda1       /mnt/maxtor     ntfs   defaults,users,ro,exec,auto,umask=022,nls=utf8
[05:03] <TheCan> just fit it to your needs
[05:03] <jaunty_> one other question, is there a way to get root access in the GUI?
[05:03] <crash_> TheCan:thx i will try that
[05:03] <jaunty_> i'm trying to drag and drop some files, but it keeps giving me the "you do not have permission" stuff
[05:04] <RuffianSoldier> hey alll
[05:05] <RuffianSoldier> hi
[05:05] <anders_> hello
[05:07] <jaunty_> anyone feel like helping me configure my sound card which refuses to work?
[05:07] <jaunty_> mine actually does work, just only for CD's
[05:08] <jaunty_> system sounds refuse to play at all, and MP3s go through the shitty onboard sound on the motherboard
[05:09] <anders_> I've also have shitty onboard sound
[05:09] <jaunty_> i have shitty onboard sound and a PCI sound card
[05:09] <anders_> I disabled it by moving the module
[05:09] <jaunty_> no prize for guessing which one I'd rather use
[05:09] <phosphorgreen> any1 know what the name of the kernel source package is for 2.6.8.1-amd64?
[05:09] <jaunty_> that's an interesting idea
[05:09] <jaunty_> how'd you do that?
[05:10] <anders_> go to the module directory
[05:10] <jaunty_> where's that?
[05:10] <jaunty_> <--- noob
[05:10] <anders_> maybe lsmod first
[05:10] <anders_> lsmod | grep snd_
[05:11] <anders_> see if you see the module name
[05:11] <jaunty_> yup
[05:11] <anders_> mine is snd_maestro3
[05:11] <jaunty_> it's there a few times
[05:11] <jaunty_> both of them
[05:12] <jaunty_> snd_cs46xx
[05:12] <jaunty_> it lives
[05:13] <jaunty_> but i still can't make it play anything but CDs
[05:13] <anders_> guess you would have two sound modules loaded?
[05:14] <anders_> see in /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/sound/pci
[05:14] <jaunty_> there's 31 items in there
[05:16] <jaunty_> so I want to remove the ones that aren't my PCI sound?
[05:16] <anders_> go to that directory and: mv snd_46xx to snd_46xx.backup , would disable the onboard sound on next reboot
[05:17] <mojo_> what module is for the joystick dev?
[05:17] <perdix> anders_, isn't it cleaner to add the module to /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/some-new-file ?
[05:18] <anders_> that sounds smart
[05:18] <perdix> anders_: works for me ;)
[05:19] <jaunty_> care to explain that?
[05:19] <anders_> in /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/ , make a new file?
[05:20] <perdix> jaunty_: in /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d create a new file, containing only the module that you dont want loaded
[05:20] <perdix> jaunty_: that module will be skipped on system startup
[05:20] <Pete-Gas> does anyone know of a way to get ubuntu to authenticate with a netware server at gdm login?
[05:20] <jaunty_> a new text file with the path to the module?
[05:21] <perdix> jaunty_: a new textfile, but not the path, only the name as lsmod shows it
[05:21] <jaunty_> ok
[05:22] <jaunty_> what should I name this text file?
[05:22] <anders_> echo "snd-46xx" >> /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/myblacklist
[05:22] <anders_> ?
[05:22] <perdix> anders_: that won't work, you need root privileges ;)
[05:22] <anders_> sudo echo "snd-46xx" >> /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/myblacklist
[05:23] <perdix> echo "snd-46xx"  | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/myblacklist
[05:23] <anders_> ok
[05:23] <perdix> anders_: sudo doesn't seem to affect shell redirection
[05:28] <bagpuss_> use "sudo bash" or "sudo -s" to get a root shell if you need it
[05:30] <anders_> I also have some crackling sounds with my soundblaster extigy
[05:30] <jaunty_> i got those through the onboard sound
[05:30] <jaunty_> very bad
[05:31] <jaunty_> ok, one last thing that needs fixing
[05:31] <jaunty_> my mouse buttons are all backwards and screwey
[05:31] <anders_> get some error messages at boot about mixers
[05:31] <jaunty_> left and right work fine, but the forward, back and middle usually mimic either left or right
[05:33] <hartbrkr> howcome when I go to www.google.ca or anywhere using firefox installed with ubuntu, all the links are bright green instead of blue or whatever color they're supposed to be?
[05:33] <anders_> jaunty_:tried computer->Desktop preferences->mouse?
[05:34] <anders_> maybe you need another mouse driver in X config-file
[05:34] <jaunty_> yeah, I tried the mouse preferences
[05:34] <jaunty_> couldn't find anything related to buttons
[05:37] <anders_> in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[05:38] <anders_> see section "InputDevice" Identifier "Configured Mouse"
[05:38] <jaunty_> I don't have XF86Config-4
[05:39] <anders_> sure?
[05:39] <jaunty_> ah
[05:39] <jaunty_> found it
[05:39] <jaunty_> found the mouse entry
[05:39] <anders_> I have Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
[05:39] <jaunty_> yup, that's what mine says
[05:39] <anders_> you need something else i guess
[05:40] <anders_> what kind of mouse do you have
[05:40] <jaunty_> would changing "emulate 3 buttons" do anything?
[05:40] <jaunty_> Intellimouse Optical
[05:40] <anders_> comment out "emulate 3...
[05:41] <jaunty_> it's two buttons, a scroll wheel that acts as a third, with a button on each side for back and foward
[05:42] <anders_> # Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
[05:42] <jaunty_> comment it out?
[05:42] <anders_> yep
[05:43] <jaunty_> done
[05:43] <jaunty_> no change
[05:43] <anders_> you would need to restart X to see the changes ctrl+alt+backspace
[05:43] <jaunty_> ah ok
[05:44] <jaunty_> might as well do the full reboot to see if the sound fix worked then
[05:44] <jaunty_> thanks for all the help
[05:44] <jaunty_> back soon
[05:47] <anders_> have some problems with my usbaudio driver
[05:47] <anders_> dmesg : usbaudio: dma timed out??
[05:50] <anders_> see I have usb_midi wich I don't need, putting it on the blacklist
[05:55] <jaunty> it didn't work :(
[06:02] <default> I have a fresh Ubuntu install where the sound card works (can hear music), but the gnome volume control can't find any mixer.  Any ideas?
[06:02] <phosphorgreen> is any1 using amd64 here?
[06:03] <t35t0r> another problem
[06:05] <t35t0r> ??
[06:07] <t35t0r> lsof | grep /dev/dsp
[06:08] <anders_> figured out my sound problems, I got cracking noises and skipping when playing dvd's, both my dvd drives where set to dma off, hdparm -d1 /dev/hdb and hdc fixed it
[06:09] <anders_> now everything is working perfect in ubuntu <#:-)
[06:11] <wizz33> how do chance my keyboard map?
[06:12] <anders_> conputer -> desktop preferences -> keyboard
[06:13] <anders_> what do I put in /etc/hdparm.conf for setting dma on hdb and hdc?
[06:13] <ynef> anders_: have you looked at the example at the bottom?
[06:14] <wizz33> aders_ thank you it works now
[06:15] <ynef> anders_: you'd have a section that says: /dev/hdb { dma = on }  (although I also recommend some other options for maximum performance)
[06:15] <anders_> ok, /dev/hdb { dma = on } , thanks ynef
[06:16] <ynef> anders_: inga problem... :)
[06:16] <radioact1ve> Anyone find good docs to get ubuntu on a laptop?
[06:16] <anders_> hehe, norsk?
[06:16] <Kosai> radioact1ve: What do you think you need docs for?  :)
[06:17] <ynef> anders_: nope, swedish :)
[06:17] <radioact1ve> Kosai: I can't get X running. Well it is but nothing is on the screen. I can login but Im doing it blind
[06:18] <anders_> ynef: smart til  vre svensk :)
[06:18] <radioact1ve> Im going to try to config X by asking me some questions but if that doesnt work I dont know what else to do
[06:18] <Kosai> You could run 'X -configure'.  It's certainly a bug that the installer didn't work, though.
[06:18] <ynef> radioact1ve: find out what's wrong by checking /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[06:19] <radioact1ve> just like that? X -configure
[06:19] <radioact1ve> i looked at the log and there is nothing unsual
[06:19] <Kosai> ynef: If X is running (rather than failing), it probably believes everything's fine, and there's not much to learn from the log.
[06:19] <Kosai> radioact1ve: Yes, like that.
[06:20] <radioact1ve> Kosai: Im guessing X cant be running right? Im at school right now running fedora so I cant really do much now.
[06:20] <t35t0r> /dev/hdb { dma = on } <- this is beyond ridiculous
[06:21] <ynef> Kosai: yeah, but X isn't smart -- if you set it to run at a resolution that is higher or clocked in a way that your monitor can't handle, then you'll just get a black screen since the monitor is protecting itself by not even attempting to display the image... the log will know what mode X tries to run
[06:21] <t35t0r> /dev/hdb { dma = on } <- who thinks of crap like this anyways
[06:21] <ynef> t35t0r: what's wrong with it?
[06:22] <radioact1ve> ynef: I have set the modes in my xconfig to values that I know have worked fine on my laptop. With fedora and Suse
[06:22] <t35t0r> why not do the user a favor and let him actually learn what is going on /dev/hdb { hdparm -d1 } for instance
[06:22] <t35t0r> or even /dev/hdb { -d1 }
[06:22] <Kosai> t35t0r: For one thing, because hdparm is being phased out.
[06:22] <mjg59> t35t0r: dma = on tells you what it does
[06:22] <AndersAA> t35t0r: ... a user that wouldn't understand dma=on wouldn't understand -d1....
[06:23] <Kosai> For another, that hdparm -d1 doesn't tell you anything about *what's actually happening*.
[06:23] <ynef> t35t0r: the commands are right there in the file as well. besides, you don't *know* what hdparm "does", by knowing a command...
[06:23] <t35t0r> Kosai, yeah but it at least let's you know where to look
[06:23] <mjg59> It makes sense for configuration to define what is going to happen, not the precise path that results in it happening
[06:23] <t35t0r> ynef, but as i said it at least lets you know where to look
[06:23] <radioact1ve> ynef: Ill still give it another look when I get home! ;)
[06:23] <mjg59> Otherwise people would have to rewrite config files whenever switching to a different backend application
[06:24] <ynef> radioact1ve: did you nuke the install that had a working X? i'm kind of hoping you still have that file somewhere... :)
[06:24] <t35t0r> mjg59, ok
[06:24] <trumpetmic> anyone interested in trying the free iPod deal?  I've heard that the best way to get all the referrals you need is to use a conga line, which we can make on my personal website: http://jazzyoreogato.homelinux.net
[06:24] <trumpetmic> I just need four more referrals and when those are done, I'll change my referral link to yours and you can get your referrals... and so on...  P.S.  this isn't spam.  Just look at my website and you'll see I'm pretty normal... just trying to score a free iPod, ya'know?
[06:24] <t35t0r> trumpetmic, it's spam just dressed up a little
[06:25] <radioact1ve> ynef: yeah I have it saved and printed it out for me to look at
[06:25] <trumpetmic> t35t0r: but it seems legit... how do you know for sure?
[06:25] <mjg59> trumpetmic: Dude, you're trying to score a free iPod by encouraging us to sign up for a scheme that sells our email addresses to other people
[06:25] <radioact1ve> ynef: besides that the working X that i had is gone
[06:25] <t35t0r> trumpetmic, no  i didn't say free ipods wasn't legit
[06:25] <t35t0r> trumpetmic, i just said you were spamming
[06:25] <trumpetmic> mjg59: you just create a free email you toss later;)
[06:25] <mjg59> trumpetmic: That's against their terms of service, I believe
[06:25] <mjg59> Which would make it fraud
[06:26] <t35t0r> free ipds/lcd/computer all of those are legit ..they are backed up by major corporations
[06:26] <trumpetmic> really!?
[06:26] <daniels> could you all please move this discussion to #offtopic? it's not relevant to #ubuntu.
[06:26] <t35t0r> but its still spam
[06:26] <t35t0r> whether its from nigeria or aol
[06:26] <ynef> radioact1ve: are you positive you've got the right kernel modules and everything set up?
[06:27] <t35t0r> what's is hdparm being phased out with ?
[06:27] <radioact1ve> ynef: well it's whatever ubuntu has at default
[06:27] <radioact1ve> i cant really change anything b/c I cant see :)
[06:27] <ynef> radioact1ve: can't you even get to a console?
[06:28] <ynef> radioact1ve: what exactly are you doing then? :P
[06:28] <radioact1ve> ynef: well i can get text mode (no X) but Im very limited there.
[06:28] <trumpetmic> okay, well I hope I didn't cause too much of a ruckus!  Thanks.
[06:28] <ynef> radioact1ve: ah. gotcha. :(
[06:28] <ynef> radioact1ve: what graphics card do you have?
[06:29] <radioact1ve> nvidia goforce(the mobile version) 4 
[06:29] <radioact1ve> i think its called gofoce
[06:29] <jaunty> my sound driver is blacklisted, and I can't find the file that it's blacklisted in
[06:29] <radioact1ve> *force
[06:29] <ynef> radioact1ve: then you need the nvidia driver, then...
[06:30] <ynef> radioact1ve: start a root shell (FYI: "sudo /bin/bash")
[06:30] <radioact1ve> yeah when i use nano to edit my config file, nv is loaded
[06:30] <radioact1ve> nv is there
[06:30] <ynef> radioact1ve: now, type "lsmod" -- this'll tell you if you've got nvidia loaded
[06:30] <ynef> radioact1ve: you're supposed to use "nvidia"
[06:30] <radioact1ve> nv or the real nvidia 
[06:30] <radioact1ve> oh
[06:30] <radioact1ve> dont I have to download that?
[06:30] <ynef> radioact1ve: yeah, but it can be apt-getted... :)
[06:31] <radioact1ve> sweet!!!!
[06:31] <radioact1ve> didnt think of that
[06:31] <ynef> radioact1ve: too bad you don't have a browser running ATM... there's a guide for doing this stuff at the wiki: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:31] <radioact1ve> been so long I havnt used debian I forgot!
[06:31] <ynef> radioact1ve: i'll read it out loud for ya... ;)
[06:31] <anders_> jaunty: ls /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/
[06:31] <radioact1ve> ill print it at school
[06:31] <radioact1ve> lol thxs
[06:32] <ynef> radioact1ve: right then... shut down x first of all
[06:33] <jaunty> the only file in that folder is the ALSA list
[06:34] <anders_> does ubuntu have something like rc-status in gentoo ?
[06:34] <jaunty> i tried deleting the line that had my sound driver in it, but it still came up as blacklisted during the boot
[06:35] <anders_> jaunty: thats strange
[06:35] <jaunty> quite
[06:35] <jaunty> is there another blacklist file somewhere?
[06:36] <anders_> don't know, try searching
[06:37] <Treenaks> anders_: rc-status? what does that do?
[06:37] <anders_> find /etc/ -name '*blacklist*'
[06:37] <Treenaks> /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[06:37] <anders_> Treenaks: list running sevices
[06:37] <Treenaks> anders_: ps aux | less
[06:38] <anders_> Treenaks: also check status of single service, like "/etc/init.d/alsa status"
[06:40] <Treenaks> anders_: initscripts have stop/start/restart/force-reload (and maybe reload)
[06:41] <anders_> Treenaks: ok thanks, I'm still figuring out ubuntu/debian, used to gentoo
[06:42] <Treenaks> anders_: Keep asking the questions :)
[06:42] <Treenaks> cybernout: welcome
[06:42] <cybernout> do i understand it well that there is no KDE and apps because of the ubuntu  filosoy?
[06:42] <cybernout> thnx
[06:42] <Treenaks> cybernout: no.
[06:43] <Treenaks> cybernout: there's no KDE because there wasn't enought time to customize/stabilize _two_ desktop environments
[06:43] <Treenaks> cybernout: and because a lot of Ubuntu developers are GNOME people, Gnome was chosen
[06:43] <Treenaks> cybernout: the next version will probably give you more of a choice
[06:43] <cybernout> hmm, okey 
[06:43] <Treenaks> cybernout: though I think KDE is in the 'universe' repositoryt
[06:44] <Treenaks> cybernout: you can install it, it's just not supported for this version
[06:44] <cybernout> might be but the amarok is not
[06:44] <Treenaks> amarok?
[06:44] <cybernout> multi media app kde
[06:44] <cybernout> music, i tunes like
[06:45] <cybernout> ah, does not matter i can use rythmbox as well
[06:46] <cybernout> there is an other matter
[06:47] <anders_> Treenaks: I have a stripped server without graphics card, is it possible to start a debian cdrom-install on it(installing over ssh)?
[06:47] <cybernout> thats an error at boot, for hpcihp something
[06:47] <cybernout> and permissions denieded ..for loading some things
[06:47] <cybernout> is that normal?
[06:47] <cybernout> (beta state)
[06:49] <cybernout> and synaptic sources at http://debian.tu-bs.de/mplayer/ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[06:49] <cybernout> no mplayer error...
[06:50] <cybernout> one thing that works just great, is the flashplayer plugin for firefox, just click and it installs from the web, thats great!
[06:54] <will> hi everyone, how do i enable my LPT1 port for my printer! i only have USB options in the printer port dialogue in printers
[07:00] <will> any one about?
[07:01] <mako> will: yeah
[07:01] <mako> will: but i don't have a printer :)
[07:02] <djtansey> has anyone used ubuntu with the intel bg2200 (or 2100) centrino wifi card? i am thinking of switching from debian but would like to know if it worked (the supported hardware site said it does but i'd like to hear it from a real person)
[07:06] <jnixon> In K3b under devices, it shows my burner, but when I attempt to burn a CD it tells me that no writers could be found?
[07:06] <jnixon> Ia checked the k3b message list archive
[07:06] <jnixon> couldn't find one that solved my problem
[07:07] <jnixon> anyone else run into this problem?
[07:09] <will> so does anyone know how to enable a parallel port?
[07:11] <perdix> will: sorry, I'm still fighting to disable it ^^
[07:13] <phosphorgreen> jnixon: i had to manually install my cdrw in xcdroaster
[07:20] <cybernout> any one here using gdesklets?
[07:21] <cybernout> gdesklets , do they work on ubuntu?
[07:24] <x4m> cybernout, go to #gdesklets on irc.gimp.net
[07:30] <will> perdix: why are you fighting it?
[07:31] <perdix> will: bios bug, sound tries to share IRQ with parport and blocks
[07:31] <magnon> hi, is it possible to do a netinstall of ubuntu?
[07:31] <magnon> evt., somehow install it without burning the iso, I just discovered that I'm out of cd's.
[07:32] <thaddeus> i just yesterday installed warty on my ibm t42p laptop, but i'm having trouble with the built in wireless card...
[07:32] <thaddeus> mag, the website says it's possible, but that there's no official docs yet
[07:33] <thaddeus> i thought the wireless card was an atheros, and so added ath_hal, ath_pci, and wlan to /etc/modprobe
[07:34] <thaddeus> however, lspci reveals that i have an intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG (rev 5) network controller.
[07:34] <thaddeus> anyone know the right module to load for this?
[07:34] <tbw> what's the status on nvidia drivers on amd64?
[07:34] <tbw> mdz said in http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/002519.html that he would look at it "today"
[07:34] <tbw> that's a week ago now
[07:35] <mdz> tbw: I looked into it that same day :-P
[07:35] <mdz> it's not going to happen for Warty
[07:35] <tbw> okay
[07:35] <tbw> too bad
[07:35] <mdz> please do file a bug in bugzilla to track it for Hoary
[07:35] <tbw> okay, i will
[07:40] <thaddeus> anyone using ipw2200?
[07:41] <pitti> thaddeus: does that work?
[07:41] <thaddeus> also, does anyone else get 'vesafb: probe of vesafb0 failed with error -6' on boot?
[07:41] <pitti> thaddeus: I need a wifi card as well
[07:42] <thaddeus> pitti: don't know if ipw2200 works or not.  there's a webpage (http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/) that seems to indicate something is happening with it.
[07:42] <bagpuss_> OOI, why does ubuntu use bugzilla rather than debbugs?  Surely it would be far easier to just point reportbug at a different debbugs address than trying to interface it with bugzilla?
[07:46] <tbw> mdz, that bug you asked me to file, wouldn't it be a duplicate of https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1958 ?
[07:46] <LinuxJones> afternoon everyone !!
[07:46] <tck> lo
[07:47] <tbw> ...which you filed yourself?
[07:49] <tbw> mdz ?
[07:51] <LinuxJones> Can someone offer an explanation as to why there are no default document templates with gnome 2.8 ?
[08:00] <zepo> someone has Ubuntu on laptop Acer
[08:01] <mdz> tbw: you're right; I forgot that it was already filed. thanks for checking
[08:01] <zepo> ???
[08:02] <q2> what is the ubuntu file manager called???
[08:02] <mdz> q2: nautilus
[08:02] <mdz> zepo: yes
[08:02] <q2> thats the one it uses?
[08:02] <q2> oh
[08:02] <tbw> okay
[08:02] <zepo> mdz: does it work well
[08:02] <zepo> ?
[08:03] <mdz> zepo: we tested on an Acer model; I don't remember which one
[08:03] <tbw> i added the word 'nvidia' to the summary of that bug to make it easier to find.
[08:04] <zepo> because i have problems... video problems...
[08:06] <zepo> mdz: sometimes my monitor becomes black...and mouse pointer is a white square
[08:06] <zepo> someone can help me?!
[08:07] <Treenaks> zepo: what kind of video card is in your acer?
[08:08] <zepo> Treenaks:  VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82830 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller]  (rev 04)
[08:09] <Treenaks> Intel 830..
[08:09] <Treenaks> hmm..
[08:09] <Treenaks> I don't know that... anyone who does?
[08:10] <zepo> Treenaks: i looked on the net for other acer XF86Config, but i found very few examples
[08:10] <Treenaks> zepo: you shouldn't do that by hand, you can use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to reconfigure X
[08:11] <zepo> Treenaks: reaaly!?
[08:11] <Treenaks> zepo: really..
[08:11] <Treenaks> zepo: just type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" on a command prompt
[08:11] <zepo> so i do now
[08:12] <tck> i seem to be having problems mounting a usd disgo key
[08:12] <tck> has anyone done it sucessfully?
[08:12] <Treenaks> tck: "disgo" ?
[08:12] <Treenaks> tck: what's different with that key than other keys?
[08:12] <tck> none
[08:13] <Treenaks> tck: my USB harddisk works fine
[08:13] <tck> well did u mount is as hda etc..
[08:13] <tck> or scsi
[08:13] <Treenaks> usb harddisks are always scsi-ish
[08:13] <Treenaks> not hda
[08:13] <Treenaks> I just plugged it in and it appeared on my desktop
[08:13] <tck> in mdk, i just point to /dev/sda etc..
[08:14] <tck> doesnt seem to be an option for that,
[08:14] <tck> any suggestions?
[08:14] <Treenaks> tck: are you using the whole disk or a partition
[08:14] <funkytwig> live cd images seem to of vanished from http://ftp.no-name-yet.com/cdimage/morphix/20040910/wartylive-v2.iso, anyone know where they have moved to?
[08:15] <tck> Treenaks, its only a 16mb keyring
[08:16] <Treenaks> tck: apparently, ubuntu only automounts partitions, not whole disks
[08:16] <Treenaks> (understandable, as these devices come with a pre-installed partition, why remove it?)
[08:17] <tck> ok, is there anything i can use to get it to recognise scsi devices?
[08:17] <Treenaks> make a partition on the key
[08:17] <tck> hmm pity there isn't a tool done to automate usb disks
[08:17] <tck> aye
[08:17] <Treenaks> tck: it is automated!
[08:17] <Treenaks> tck: just not if you remove the partitions
[08:18] <Treenaks> tck: re-create the partition, use that and it'll very likely work
[08:18] <tck> ok, gis a min - cheers
[08:26] <pere> Hi, Im trying to mount a samba share, but is getting the error: "22731: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnosuchshare (You specified an invalid share name)
[08:26] <pere> ". Even if I know the share exists
[08:27] <anders_> funkytwig: http://ftp.no-name-yet.com/cdimage/releases/warty/preview/live-i386.iso.torrent
[08:28] <pere> Anyone know how I can find out what is wrong?
[08:31] <pere> Im using the command "sudo mount -t smbfs -o username=pere,password=passwd //192.168.2.99/home/pere /media/dir"
[08:32] <pere> please..:-)
[08:32] <LinuxJones> pere, here's a good tutorial >> http://justlinux.com/nhf/Filesystems/Mounting_smbfs_Shares_Permanently.html
[08:32] <funkytwig> anders_:ta
[08:32] <pere> great
[08:33] <aitrus> pere: sometimes the "password" option doesn't work correctly and you ahve to say:  username=user%pass instead
[08:34] <imka> good evening
[08:35] <LinuxJones> imka, hi
[08:35] <q2> HI!
[08:36] <imka> how's the mailing list? i have a problem with bulking up my mailbox. at the moment i'm only on the announcment list
[08:36] <q2> which do is better, IMAP or POP3
[08:37] <imka> gmail :)
[08:37] <tolo> Hi to all
[08:38] <tolo> some of you have installed flightgear fro universe? known isues? something?
[08:38] <tolo> is as good as Microsoft Flight Sim?
[08:38] <imka> what's flightgear?
[08:38] <tolo> a game of flight simulation
[08:38] <tolo> it's in universe
[08:39] <pere> aitrus/linuxJones: Thanks for the help. The link helped me. It turned out the directory was accessible by //ip/user instead og //ip/home/user..
[08:41] <LinuxJones> pere, good glad to hear it ;)
[08:42] <will> hola people
[08:42] <tolo> no one tried Flight Gear?
[08:43] <tolo> well thx anyway, bye to all
[08:52] <zepo> all mine tty doesn't work... pushing ctrl+alt+F2 i enter in black screen, then pushing ctrl+alt+F7 i go back to Gnome...someone know why?!
[08:53] <will> i get 'Error while copying to "/mnt/d". You do not have permissions to write to this folder.' when i try and copy from linux fs to vfat how do i fix this?
[08:55] <wizz33> ayn one kwon whenn aspell 0.60 will be uploaded?
[08:57] <zepo> all mine tty doesn't work... pushing ctrl+alt+F2 i enter in black screen, then pushing ctrl+alt+F7 i go back to Gnome...someone know why?!
[08:58] <zepo> how can i do to make work tty?!
[08:59] <fs> what graphics card do you have?
[09:00] <fs> oh, that one.
[09:00] <WW_> Is it easy to get postfix/sendmail up and running, or will I have to dig deeply into a manual to figure it out?  I'm trying to set up Evolution Mail to use Sendmail for sending mail, but I'm not sure what to run on my system to get it working.
[09:01] <magnon> hm, ubuntu doesn't love locales too much
[09:02] <lamont> WW_: should just drop in and run
[09:02] <magnon> all sorts of things work in a funny way
[09:02] <cybernout> i dont know how to file an bug report, but this is the bug : tvtime does not save the channels, so its useless unless you rescan them every time
[09:03] <WW_> lamont: drop in?  I tried sending an email to myself after selecting Sendmail as the server type.  Evolution appeared to send the mail, but it never arrived.
[09:03] <will> hi sorry what does ctrl alt F2 do and how do u get back to x?
[09:03] <crash|> hmm ihave tried mount -t ntfs users,ro,auto,umask=022 /dev/hda5 /mnt/mp3 but it says you have no acess to this drectory
[09:03] <cybernout> i am now trying it as root
[09:03] <cybernout> see if that helps
[09:03] <magnon> will: you go to another virtual terminal
[09:03] <magnon> alt-f7 will get you to X
[09:04] <will> thanks!
[09:04] <lamont> WW_: look at /var/log/mail.log and see if it's spewing errors about aliases.db
[09:04] <cybernout> lets see
[09:04] <lamont> (known issue, run newaliases as root)
[09:04] <cybernout> no
[09:05] <cybernout> does not work
[09:05] <fixel> Hola.
[09:05] <cybernout> so thats an BUG
[09:05] <cybernout> a real BUG
[09:05] <will> /dev/hda1       /mnt/c          vfat    gid=100,umask=002,noexec,nosuid 0       0
[09:05] <will>  <<why cant i write to this dirve?
[09:05] <fixel> Please don't hurt me, but could someone tell me how to type Japanese in ubuntu? I've already downloaded the canna packages, but how do I start the canna server? Thanks in advance.
[09:06] <cybernout> channels scan are not saved by sweet abuntu...
[09:07] <cybernout> bye bye
[09:07] <q2> HOLLA!
[09:07] <will> any one have any ideas on my question?
[09:08] <fixel> will, Linux can only read stuff from nfts drives. It can't write to them.
[09:08] <akra> will: no rw in the options list?
[09:08] <WW_> lamont: I ran newaliases as root several days ago.  I don't see any recent entries in mail.log that look like errors.  I tried sending another email, and three more lines were added to mail.log, but nothing that looks like an error.
[09:09] <will> fixel: its VFAT
[09:09] <fixel> Oh, I see. 
[09:09] <lamont> WW_: want to paste those lines in a /msg?
[09:09] <will> does anyone know what to add to make it rw?
[09:10] <will> not just ro?
[09:10] <akra> will: ro means read only
[09:10] <Ex-Cyber> will: I think the umask has to be changed, but I always get the octal umask bits mixed up
[09:11] <Ex-Cyber> so I could be wrong
[09:11] <WW_> lamont: I hope that worked... IRC newbie here.
[09:12] <lamont> WW_: yep
[09:12] <fixel> Is there an equivalent to /etc/rc.local  in ubuntu? I don't seem to have that dir.
[09:16] <socomm> Any of you guys got a list of all the packages that are installed by default on Ubuntu?
[09:18] <_axel> hmm, i thought ubuntu wouldn't have a shitload of updates like sid has, but rather stick to critical security fixes and only provide new versions of stuff until next release, but i just did apt-get upgrade and noticed i have about 250mb worth of updates available... what is exactly the updates policy?
[09:19] <LinuxJones> _axel, did you include the universe repository ?
[09:19] <_axel> yes, but i remove it after i get what i need
[09:20] <_axel> i want to keep universe stuff to a minimum
[09:20] <LinuxJones> _axel, did you apt-get update again ? 
[09:20] <_axel> yup
[09:20] <_axel> i have like full gstreamer, full gnome and full x updates available
[09:20] <_axel> and more stuff like cups, ooo, etc 
[09:21] <anders_> _axel: ubuntu isn't released yet?
[09:21] <Mithrandir> anders_: no
[09:21] <_axel> ah, i see
[09:21] <Mithrandir> anders_: so far, it's a preview release.
[09:21] <_axel> so its massive bughunting before release?
[09:21] <lamont> _axel: yeppers
[09:22] <_axel> ah, k, that sounds ok to me
[09:22] <_axel> so it will settle down when released
[09:22] <Mithrandir> yeah, on Oct 13th
[09:22] <_axel> cool
[09:24] <_axel> xorg wont make it in time though i guess
[09:24] <Kosai> No, xorg's always been planned post-warty.
[09:24] <_axel> k, fair enough
[09:26] <hazmat> cure article linus on kernel management http://lwn.net/Articles/105375/
[09:26] <will> i have not had so many bugs, apart from a dodgy errornous startup
[09:27] <crash|> ok do ubuntu have any video players who plays every codecs?
[09:28] <will> no but get VLC its the best
[09:28] <punkass_> my pops has an old 166 with windows95 on it...and it needs a reformat...well it needs to be tossed in the trash really...but that aint going to happen....I assume that ubuntu would be to much for it?
[09:28] <will> or try totem-xine
[09:29] <_axel> lol @ linus: "Most people are idiots, and being a manager means you'll have to deal
[09:29] <_axel> with it, and perhaps more importantly, that _they_ have to deal with
[09:29] <_axel> _you_. "
[09:29] <crash|> will,  apt-get install totem-xine dosen't work
[09:31] <siretart> punkass_: perhaps you could use that as thin client. xdmcp to a modern, fast machine with ubuntu ;)
[09:31] <will> urr, do a search in synaptic then, maybe you need to get universe
[09:31] <punkass_> siretart: that would be sweet..but if he had a faster machine..it tell him just to use that
[09:32] <anders_> punkass_: with enough ram i guess it will do fine
[09:32] <crash|> what is ubuntu build on? testing,unstable? 
[09:34] <siretart> punkass_: you could give DELI a try: http://delilinux.berlios.de/
[09:35] <punkass_> siretart: thanks ill look into it.
[09:35] <fixel> Hmmm, in Fedora C 2, there was some kind of service configuration program, which let you start stuff like iptables and canna... is there something similar for ubuntu?
[09:36] <LinuxJones> crash|, unstable
[09:36] <will> punkass_: have a look at http://lineman.net/brokenlaptops.php its for laptops, and also old pcs!
[09:36] <will> found it on slashdot
[09:37] <punkass_> thanks will do...site is down now tho
[09:38] <socomm> fixel, you can use firestarter.
[09:38] <LinuxJones> fixel, not yet, but I thinbk it is planned for down the road.
[09:38] <fixel> lemme look for firestarter
[09:40] <fixel> Currently downloading some locale packages through synaptic, I'm on the right way, I guess.
[09:40] <q2> in the GKrellm mail check configuration, it wants a mail fetch/check program, what is it that i put in?
[09:41] <q2> nvm
[09:41] <q2> i got it
[09:41] <socomm> Ubuntu does not come preloaded with `cvs' does it?
[09:42] <defendguin> fixel, a service config thing like that doesnt exist here :(
[09:43] <mjr> can't find this in the hardwaresupport wiki or faq, so: Does Ubuntu installation support SATA?
[09:44] <fixel> crap, I'm looking for a way to start the canna server.
[09:45] <LinuxJones> fixel, you can always do it from the command line /etc/init.d/<service name> start
[09:46] <fixel> Oh, thanks, I'll try that. And if I add lines like that to my "session", they'll be loaded at startup, right?
[09:47] <fixel> j@ubuntu:~ $ /etc/init.d/canna start
[09:47] <fixel> Starting cannaserver...
[09:47] <fixel> cannaserver:couldn't set groupid to canna user's group
[09:47] <fixel> One step closer, I guess.
[09:47] <LinuxJones> fixel, usually you will want to add a startup script to /etc/rc2.d for the service. (sorry I don't know what canna is) 
[09:48] <housetier> fixel, "sudo invoke-rc.d canna start" maybe
[09:48] <fixel> canna is a server that lets you type Japanese.
[09:49] <fixel> I just did it as root -- it SEEMS to have worked.
[09:49] <defendguin> fixel, of course you are gonna wanna be root to start those services
[09:49] <will> whats the default bootlog location?
[09:49] <defendguin> even for the FC 2 service tool they ask you for root before starting the app
[09:50] <fixel> Yeah, I know. It's just that I keep on closing my terminal windows so sometimes I don't know if I'm root or not.
[09:50] <defendguin> thats what the # is for
[09:52] <fixel> I'm pretty new to Linux. -_-
[09:52] <defendguin> fixel, we all have to start somewhere
[09:53] <fixel> The first distro I tried was Mandrake last year, but I didn't really like it.
[09:53] <fixel> A few weeks ago I got bored and decided it would be a good idea to install Fedora Core.
[09:53] <fixel> (2)
[09:53] <defendguin> i didnt like mdk either
[09:53] <defendguin> FC is ok
[09:53] <will> ubuntu is the way forwawrd
[09:53] <will> forward even
[09:53] <fixel> I also bought "Fedora Core 2 for dummies" and read it, which helped.
[09:54] <defendguin> ive never read a linux boox
[09:54] <socomm> MDK is `teh' suck.
[09:54] <defendguin> agreed
[09:54] <socomm> RH was cool, though FC is bloated beyond belief.
[09:54] <fixel> I liked FC2 quite a bit and learnt how to install and compile stuff pretty quickly. I then downloaded ubuntu because everyone kept on raving how cool it was. I like it a lot so far.
[09:55] <fixel> Yeah, I noticed that.
[09:55] <hartbrkr> howcome when I go to www.google.ca or anywhere using firefox installed with ubuntu, all the links are bright green instead of blue or whatever color they're supposed to be? the color settings in the preferences are normal defaults, and not checked off to always use them. there's no userChrome.css file in use.. anyone else have this problem?
[09:55] <fixel> ubuntu's a lot faster for me.
[09:55] <socomm> fixel, here too.
[09:55] <defendguin> fixel, i think i like it mostly because apt repository is a lot larger and it has gnome 2.8
[09:55] <fixel> yeah, Gnome 2.8 is cool.
[09:55] <defendguin> i noticed its pretty fast as well
[09:56] <fixel> Today I installed the nvidia driver through Synaptic... no problems at all.
[09:56] <defendguin> that might just be gnome 2.8 compared to 2.6 not just the distro
[09:56] <socomm> 2.8 is cool, though wish that BlueCurve were in the repos.
[09:57] <fixel> I also compiled Gens and Visual Boy Advance (I like emulators.) Can't get xmame and gxmame to work, though.
[09:58] <fixel> LinuxJones, how do I add a startup script to /etc/rc2.d? I just noticed that it's a directory, not a config file. *_*
[09:59] <defendguin> fixel, i think you just put a link to the service you want to start in that directory
[09:59] <hartbrkr> howcome when I go to www.google.ca or anywhere using firefox installed with ubuntu, all the links are bright green instead of blue or whatever color they're supposed to be? the color settings in the preferences are normal defaults, and not checked off to always use them. there's no userChrome.css file in use.. anyone else have this problem? or know how to fix it??
[09:59] <fixel> Hmm, I see.
[10:00] <defendguin> hartbrkr, check the color settings on your monitor ;)
[10:01] <fixel> My links are blue. *_*
[10:01] <hartbrkr> defendguin: well i'm running ubuntu under VMWare workstation with windows xp as the host.. firefox looks fine when running in windows, but in ubuntu the links are messed up.. all other colors look fine
[10:01] <LinuxJones> fixel, You can do it using update-rc.d <service name> defaults, will add links to runlevels 2-5
[10:02] <fixel> cool, thanks, I'll try that.
[10:02] <defendguin> hartbrkr, its not a ubuntu problem everything works fine here
[10:02] <fixel> Looks like it worked, thanks again!
[10:02] <LinuxJones> fixel, sure ;)
[10:03] <hartbrkr> defendguin: when you installed, firefox looks fine? on google the links are green, is it that way with you?
[10:04] <defendguin> no
[10:04] <defendguin> they are all blue
[10:04] <defendguin> check your color settings on your monitor or on VMWare
[10:06] <socomm> fixel, have you installed mplayer?
[10:07] <missnewbie> hi does ubuntu support airport wireless for macs
[10:08] <Kosai> missnewbie: It supports the "original" airport card, but not Airport Extreme.  (Since there isn't Linux support for Airport Extreme at all.)
[10:09] <socomm> Kosai, yet ...
[10:09] <missnewbie> ah oh okay
[10:09] <missnewbie> that stinks
[10:11] <missnewbie> My wireless worked right away with Fink, but I guess thats just coz it was on top of Mac OSX then..
[10:13] <missnewbie> so does that mean that i can't pick up any wireless... even if its not from an airport extreme base station? or can i pick up all wireless other than airport extr.
[10:16] <A-star> hi, I'm just starting with Ubuntu-linux. Any tips for a newbie?
[10:16] <socomm> A-star, install MPlayer :^)
[10:16] <Kosai> missnewbie: I'm talking about the airport card inside your laptop, not the base station.
[10:17] <LinuxJones> A-star, her eis a good start >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[10:17] <Kosai> So, if you have an airport card inside, you'll be able to pick up wireless from any base station at all, if you have an airport extreme card inside you won't be able to pick up any.
[10:17] <missnewbie> okay 
[10:17] <missnewbie> i have an airport extreme card. alright. thanks
[10:18] <Kosai> Ah.  :/  Sorry to hear.
[10:18] <socomm> http://samesoft.sourceforge.net/juan/umplayer
[10:18] <Kosai> FWIW, it's possible to buy a USB wireless card and use that in your laptop; Linux would support it.
[10:18] <__randy__> does anyone know of tools similiar to redhat's kickstart for debian/ubuntu
[10:18] <hazmat> where do you get the source for the ubuntu kernels?
[10:18] <hazmat> i just see images in apt
[10:19] <x4m> linux-source
[10:19] <hazmat> thanks, ic it now
[10:19] <hazmat> doesn't have the funky ubuntu icon by it in synaptic..
[10:24] <A-star> why does ubuntu download so much stuff after the first boot?
[10:26] <hazmat> updated packages
[10:26] <fixel> Where's the apt source file located? I'd like to add a repository for Japanese input tools.
[10:27] <fixel> /etc/apt/sources.list?
[10:27] <sap> A-star: i didn't have a network connection when i installed and so i don't think it *has* to download anything ... if you want updates to the packages that came on the CD then that's a different matter.
[10:28] <sap> fixel: yep
[10:29] <A-star> thanks for the info
[10:30] <Wsquared> I'd like to clear up some misinformation I've seen in a different forum.  Is k3b working OK in ubuntu?
[10:31] <A-star> btw does ubuntu support the reiserfs filesystem?
[10:31] <Kosai> A-star: Yes.
[10:31] <Wsquared> A-star: I'm using reiserfs; my root partition is reiserfs.
[10:33] <A-star> can you manually assign that when you install ubuntu?
[10:34] <sap> Wsquared:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-05.2946111988/view?searchterm=k3b
[10:34] <Kosai> A-star: Yes.
[10:34] <A-star> ok then, I'm going to test it in vmware before I do a real install.
[10:35] <Wsquared> sap: Thanks!
[10:36] <sap> Wsquared: hmm, not sure whether that helps ... I was sure I read something about this the other day, but that's all I could find.
[10:36] <andred> If you want to administer samba though the web interface SWAT you have to log in with admin priviliges thought he web browser. How does that work when you only have sudo, and no root account?
[10:37] <slartibartfast> hey there, can anyone help me get my wireless card going?  i've been banging my head against this for a while.  my feeling is that i'm missing something easy.
[10:38] <slartibartfast> I'm using the Intel PRO/wireless 2200BG on a T42p Thinkpad under Warty.
[10:39] <sap> slartibartfast:is it listed here  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[10:39] <slartibartfast> thanks... i'll take a look!
[10:42] <herzi_lap> can anyone tell me how to build a customized kernel image?
[10:43] <Wsquared> sap: No problem.  It looks like there is (or was) a configuration problem, but it can be worked around.
[10:43] <Kamion> bagpuss: long story, but basically we're going to be shifting to our own bug tracking system once it's finished and Bugzilla was just a stopgap measure
[10:45] <socomm|away> herzi_lap, http://linuxjunior.org/cgi-bin/pet/pet.cgi?SUBMIT=Display&id=110
[10:46] <socomm|away> herzi_lap, http://linuxjunior.org/cgi-bin/pet/pet.cgi?SUBMIT=Display&id=9
[10:46] <socomm|away> herzi_lap, should get you started.
[10:48] <Wsquared> herzi_lap: I can't help you, but I have lurked here long enough to see a lot of people think they needed to recompile, when they didn't, so I'll ask: why do you need to customize?
[10:52] <herzi_lap> Wsquared, because i want to have the orinoco 0.15rc2 (network scanning support), the grsecurity patch (increased security) and the pmdisk patch (suspend to disk)
[10:54] <sap> herzi_lap: 'apt-cache show kernel-package' may interest you
[10:55] <herzi_lap> kernel-package builds kernel-image-foo kernels, not linux-image-foo (the ubuntu name for it)
[10:57] <Kamion> linux-source-2.6.8.1 uses kernel-package as far as I know
[10:57] <Kamion> you could look at it for how it does it ...
[10:59] <slartibartfast> is kernel-package the way to go if i *don't* need to customize, but just need to update from 2.6.8.1-3 to 2.6.8.1-10?
[11:00] <Wsquared> herzi_lap: Got it.  Best of luck!
[11:04] <ljb> hi, i can't for the life of me figure out how to change the apps used to play for example MP3s in ubuntu's gnome installation? but permanently, not temporarily like "Open With.."lets you do..Open With's functionality seems like a regression from other GNOME version's i've used as well...
[11:04] <Kamion> slartibartfast: no
[11:05] <Kamion> slartibartfast: it sounds like you're confused by the versioning scheme, not unjustifiably
[11:05] <socomm|away> ljb, right click on a file properties and go to openwith.
[11:05] <Kamion> slartibartfast: 2.6.8.1-3 indicates the third module ABI of the 2.6.8.1 kernel; 2.6.8.1-10 sounds more like a package version number
[11:05] <socomm|away> Should be right click->properties->openwith
[11:05] <Kamion> so you see stuff like linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386_2.6.8.1-10_i386.deb
[11:06] <Kamion> slartibartfast: anyhow, that aside, for plain uncustomized packaged kernel updates just use the package management tools as normal to upgrade
[11:06] <slartibartfast> yup.  i'm confused.  good to know.
[11:07] <Kamion> it's confus*ing* :)
[11:07] <zenwhen> Anyone using Dialup with Ubuntu?
[11:07] <zenwhen> Or have any clue how to set it up?
[11:07] <Kamion> I have to write stuff like "Build with linux-image-2.6.8.1-3 version 2.6.8.1-12" in changelogs not infrequently
[11:08] <andril> hello all
[11:08] <slartibartfast> Arg.  So, what would the proper apt call be?
[11:08] <ljb> socomm: that one rather sucks...there used to be one that let you browse the launcher menus as well instead of just trying to find the raw command :|
[11:09] <ljb> is this a gnome 2.8 "upgrade"? :|
[11:09] <andril> is there any help today?
[11:10] <Kamion> slartibartfast: 'apt-get upgrade'?
[11:10] <Kamion> slartibartfast: or 'apt-get dist-upgrade' if you see packages held back
[11:10] <Kamion> slartibartfast: synaptic's "smart update" should work too
[11:10] <Kamion> andril: that depends on the question. :-)
[11:10] <andril> ok
[11:11] <andril> well I just installed Ubuntu and wondered about some features
[11:12] <andril> Does it have Server (FTP, POP3, SMTP and such)?
[11:13] <andril> it is indeed a superior distro - definitely a i386 Owner
[11:13] <jmhodges> is there a deb out there that will allow totem to play embedded video files?
[11:13] <jmhodges> or do i just need to install mplayer-plugin?
[11:13] <jimi42> hi all
[11:14] <andril> tried that
[11:14] <andril> hello jimi42
[11:14] <slartibartfast> kamion: i just installed and upgraded ubuntu yesterday
[11:14] <slartibartfast> apt-get dist-upgrade says nothing needs to be upgraded
[11:15] <jimi42> i just installed ubuntu and im in trouble with a couple of things : eth0 and X
[11:15] <jimi42> is there a way to tell ubuntu to get the dns servers via dhcp?
[11:16] <andril> Kamion - are you the channel Op?
[11:16] <slartibartfast> jimi: computer -> system preferences -> networking
[11:16] <socomm|away> andril, there aren't any ops, on this channel.
[11:16] <slartibartfast> (i mean system configuration)
[11:16] <jimi42> slart : X does not work
[11:16] <andril> yes jimi42 - then click on prperties
[11:17] <jimi42> thats why i need networking at least to get some packaghes =)
[11:17] <slartibartfast> jimi: word. :)
[11:17] <andril> ok
[11:17] <andril> so who provides the support??
[11:18] <slartibartfast> kamion: bug 1055 says that the problem i'm having is fixed in 2.6.8.1-10.  
[11:18] <socomm|away> You, me, everyone.
[11:18] <jimi42> i launched dhclient because eth0 was down, i got an IP, but no dns
[11:18] <andril> I really like Ubuntu - dammmn just saying it while I format my i386 machins feels good :)
[11:19] <socomm|away> andril, you can install whatever server you want on your ubuntu install.
[11:19] <jimi42> i would like to be able to like ubuntu
[11:19] <jimi42> :/
[11:19] <andril> helps on the way jimi42
[11:19] <Kamion> andril: there are ops, they just generally don't keep operator privileges enabled most of the time
[11:19] <sap> jimi42: i think it's the dhcp server that supplies this info
[11:19] <andril> didn't it ask you to connect for updates during the install?
[11:19] <Kamion> andril: you can certainly install server-oriented packages
[11:19] <jimi42> sap : yes, it does
[11:20] <jimi42> andril : i thought it did, but instead it looked into the cdrom
[11:20] <Kamion> oh, socomm|away already said that
[11:20] <jimi42> sap : but dhclient in ubuntu console gives me only IP, netmask and gw, no dns :/
[11:20] <andril> that sucks
[11:21] <socomm> Oh and jmhodges, I think xine has a browser plugin.
[11:21] <andril> these guiys here are awesome - I'll have to sit back and learn too
[11:21] <jimi42> i uncomented the network items in sources.conf, but i need dns working ^_
[11:21] <socomm> jmhodges, install xine and there's a wizard burried somewhere in the menus that walks you through plugin installation.
[11:21] <andril> jimi42 - what type of video adapter do you have?
[11:21] <Kamion> andril: I noticed a bug earlier today where the CD was still required after the install
[11:21] <jmhodges> socomm: agh, ok thanks
[11:21] <jimi42> nvidia gf3 ti200
[11:22] <Kamion> jimi42: er, that was directed at you
[11:22] <sap> jimi42: edit /etc/resolv.conf
[11:22] <andril> really So far I have installed it on 4 of my machines and it went flawless
[11:23] <andril> ahhh make that 5 machines - the kids love Ubuntu also
[11:23] <jimi42> sap : yeah i could do that, and i will, but if i can use dhcp information, i would prefer that 
[11:23] <jimi42> (sorry for mistakes, im french =)
[11:23] <LinuxJones> jimi42, have you restarted networking ?
[11:23] <jimi42> linux : yeah
[11:23] <jimi42> it did nothin
[11:23] <jimi42> i had to use dhclient command
[11:24] <jimi42> is there a way to redo the networking configure app that is used in install?
[11:24] <anders_> what is multiverse?
[11:25] <LinuxJones> jimi42, is your dhcp server assigning dns server addresess' ?
[11:25] <jimi42> yes
[11:25] <andred> What's a good tool to graph network traffic on various ethernet interfaces of a router?
[11:25] <jimi42> mepis and winxp have no problem with that =] 
[11:25] <Tomcat_> andred: MRTG and RRDTool.
[11:26] <LinuxJones> jimi42, cat /etc/resolve.conf and see if the correct address(s) are in there.
[11:26] <andril> I am using Nvidia GeForce3 64MB - and it works as configured
[11:27] <jimi42> andril : i have a similar card, and X is broken :/
[11:27] <andril> Jimi42: - are you using this a a fresh install or Virtual Machine?
[11:27] <jimi42> linux : ok im gona check this out
[11:27] <jimi42> fresh
[11:27] <andril> word...
[11:27] <andril> that's not right
[11:28] <jimi42> usually other linux distro have no probleme with this computer hardware
[11:28] <andril> I used the Live CD to test it - then I used the Werty Releace (v4.10) - no problems 
[11:29] <jimi42> LinuxJones : hehe i have no "/etc/resolv.conf" 
[11:29] <slartibartfast> Okay, the hardware support page indicates that the intel PRO/Wireless 2200 wireless network interface is supported in an installed system.  I have an installed system, but haven't been able to get wireless.
[11:29] <jimi42> i use the nighly CD from 1 week ago
[11:29] <jimi42> is ot right?
[11:29] <jimi42> it
[11:30] <andril> no mate - I recommend the 4.10 Build (stable)
[11:30] <LinuxJones> jimi42, lol that's a problem :D
[11:30] <jimi42> i think i should launch again the networking configure app
[11:30] <jimi42> but i dont know the command
[11:30] <andril> nightlys are intended for thrill seekers and those special Devs
[11:31] <jimi42> hum
[11:31] <jimi42> ok i should use the basic install and then use apt to upgrade?
[11:31] <Kamion> andril: there's no such thing as the stable warty release yet
[11:31] <Kamion> you probably want Sounder CD 9 if you want a reasonably stable install
[11:32] <jimi42> the stable unstable release =)
[11:32] <Kamion> nightlies are also for people we ask to test fixes to particular installer bugs
[11:33] <andril> can you obtain this build?
[11:34] <jimi42> i will install the official preview release
[11:34] <Kamion> andril: which build?
[11:34] <Jeld> aeasdfasdf
[11:34] <jimi42> thancks everyone
[11:34] <jimi42> ill come back to complain if its broken again ;-)))
[11:34] <andril> Kainmon: Right you are sir
[11:34] <Kamion> andril: uh. confused. :-)
[11:35] <andril> you should be coming back to rejoice with use jimi42
[11:35] <jimi42> hehe ok 
[11:35] <andril> not much Kaimon - I stand corrected
[11:35] <andril> I was talking like a M$oft user
[11:35] <jimi42> i will surely comme back because i have weird hardware on another computer
[11:35] <Kamion> Sounder CD 9> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/002384.html
[11:36] <jimi42> oh
[11:36] <jimi42> so sounder 9 is more stable than preview?
[11:37] <Kamion> Sounder 9 fixes a number of bugs since preview, and the upgrade to the current warty tree will be rather smaller
[11:37] <jimi42> wooo 900kb/s
[11:37] <jimi42> nice
[11:37] <jimi42> ^^
[11:37] <andril> I am using warty-i386.iso - is this also the Sounder cd9?
[11:37] <Kamion> it's probably what you want to use unless you have a reason not to (e.g. a Via graphics card ...)
[11:37] <Kamion> andril: impossible to tell
[11:38] <Kamion> andril: all our i386 CD images are called that
[11:38] <Kamion> andril: what URL did you download it from?
[11:38] <jimi42> lol
[11:39] <jimi42> kernel source is included or i have to apt it?
[11:39] <andril> well I noticed the one on your link is labled - warty-i386-1.iso 
[11:40] <Kamion> jimi42: not included by default
[11:40] <jimi42> ok
[11:40] <djtansey> has anyone here used ubuntu with a intel 2200 or 2100 wifi card? i am using the live CD and it didn't seem to detect it though the supported hardware site lists it as being supported. if i can get that to work i intend to install it.
[11:40] <jimi42> mine was not supported by live cd djtansey
[11:40] <Kamion> andril: you would be looking at Sounder CD 8, not 9
[11:40] <slartibartfast> djtansey: i'm having the same problem
[11:40] <jimi42> (but a lot of things were broken...)
[11:40] <Kamion> andril: read the mail carefully, I pointed you to the mail in which I corrected the wrong URLs I sent out
[11:41] <andril> I got it from the Ubuntu website
[11:41] <Kamion> we renamed the daily builds from warty-i386-1.iso to warty-i386.iso just before the preview release
[11:42] <slartibartfast> djtansey: what machine are you using?  i'm on an ibm T42p.
[11:42] <andril> so I just installed 5 copy's of the old build?
[11:42] <andril> can I update?
[11:42] <Kamion> andril: of course
[11:43] <Kamion> you only need to actually get a newer build if you had some installation problem
[11:43] <djtansey> slartibartfast: x40
[11:43] <sap> slartibartfast,djtansey : i have an intel wifi card also. what exactly is the problem. is the ipw2100/ipw2200 module loaded?
[11:43] <djtansey> jimi42: but is it in the install?
[11:44] <djtansey> sap: modprobe ipw2200 says it's not found
[11:44] <Kamion> djtansey: it won't quite work in the installer itself yet; the driver is there for post-install though, and we've had reported successes
[11:44] <Kamion> djtansey: it may well not work in the live CD
[11:44] <djtansey> Kamion: cool. that makes me feel a little better. thanks.
[11:44] <andril> is there a way to find out if I am using an old build?
[11:44] <jimi42> dj : sorry i was wrong, i havec an acer tm800 and i forgot i changed the intel wifi card with a netgear ^_ 
[11:44] <slartibartfast> djtansey: you have to get a restricted package.
[11:45] <jimi42> i did not test yet with the intel
[11:45] <djtansey> slartibartfast: the firmware? or what?
[11:45] <djtansey> jimi42: no worries. 
[11:45] <Kamion> slartibartfast: no, ipw2200 is in main
[11:45] <slartibartfast> kamion: oh, right... i was thinking of the atheros chipset
[11:46] <slartibartfast> sap: lsmod | grep ipw2200 returns:
[11:46] <slartibartfast> ipw2200               108652  0
[11:46] <slartibartfast> firmware_class          9728  1 ipw2200
[11:46] <slartibartfast> ieee80211              21124  1 ipw2200
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[11:47] <slartibartfast> i assume that means ipw2200 is loaded correctly?
[11:47] <sivang> still having trouble with XFS and dpkg,
[11:47] <sap> slartibartfast:yes, this looks fine to me
[11:47] <sivang> it now says I'll need to manually fix the packages i was intrrupted during install
[11:48] <sivang> anybody help?
[11:48] <sivang> i _do_not_ want to reinstall
[11:48] <andril> how can I tell which sounder I have?
[11:48] <soleblaze> what's the command to install a .deb package (not from a repository)
[11:49] <LinuxJones> soleblaze, dpkg -i <package>
[11:50] <soleblaze> thanks
[11:50] <andril> Kaimon: any help on trying to find out which build I have?
[11:50] <andril> anybody?
[11:50] <sap> slartibartfast: unfortunately, i've only had ubuntu installed for a couple of hours and although my wifi card seems to have been detected fine (like yours) I'm unable to test it since I don't have an access point here.
[11:51] <sap> slartibartfast: is the wifi led light on?
[11:51] <slartibartfast> sap: ah.  mine detects fine and the gnome wireless link monitor even shows a signal after bootup
[11:52] <sap> slartibartfast: so what's the problem?
[11:52] <Kamion> andril: if you spell my nick correctly, it'll autohighlight and I'll see your message more quickly. :)
[11:52] <slartibartfast> sap: unfortunately, as soon as i try to configure it for my network, the monitor switches over to N/A
[11:53] <andril> Kamion: sorry
[11:54] <LinuxJones> Can someone offer an explanation as to why there are no default document templates with gnome 2.8 ?
[11:54] <Kamion> andril: anyway, I think there's a date on one of the boot screens that should help to identify it; otherwise, cat /cdrom/.disk/info for the date.
[11:54] <hartbrkr> has anyone had any luck with linux and the tv-out on ATI Radeon 7500 video cards?
[11:54] <Kosai> LinuxJones: What is a document template?
[11:55] <LinuxJones> Kosai, when you right click and goto > Created Document ... There are no predefined file types like .txt file for example.
[11:56] <andril> Kamion: Thanks alot
[11:56] <slartibartfast> sap: I added the eth1 device to Computer -> System Configuration -> Networking, but that didn't seem to help.
[11:57] <andril> let me try
[11:57] <andril> see you al in a bit
[11:57] <slartibartfast> back in a bit