sapslartibartfast: i'm sorry, i don't think I'm going to be able to help you.12:00
sapif i remember the people who write the ipw2100 driver have an irc channel, perhaps you could ask them12:01
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sapslartibartfast: #ipw210012:02
jimi42wep encryption is avaiable on ipw2200 drivers?12:02
andredTomcat_, Hmm, so MRTG requires SNMP stuff?12:04
andredSounds complex.12:05
Tomcat_andred: Not really... MRTG has a configure wizard that will do everything automatically.12:05
hazmatwhy is there a /usr/src/rpm directory.. is this some lsb cruft?12:05
Tomcat_But yes, it needs SNMP.12:05
andredTomcat_, What's that configuration wizard called? I've only seen examples using 'cfgmaker'.12:08
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Tomcat_Yeah that's it.12:08
andredOk. I didn't quite understand the community string you're supposed to use as an argument, but I guess I'll have to read up on it.12:10
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tomeugood night, i'm getting desperate trying to install ubuntu along with windows xp12:15
tomeusomebody here has managed to do that?12:15
tomeuhow can i tell ubuntu's kernel the right number of heads my hd has?12:16
tomeuhe thinks i have only 16, when i have 25512:16
tomeuhave tried with custom-expert hda=4997,255,63, but it doesn't works12:17
AprentisSorcererUnfortunately, I don't know that kind of answer. It got detected properly on my machine.12:17
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tomeuand then grub and lilo fail to install12:17
asdf_hi are there any mplayer packages for ubuntu12:17
tomeucan you tell me how do you have partitioned your hard disk?12:17
asdf_totem doesnt work12:17
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AprentisSorcererI have used Ranish Partition Manager.  I have 2 hd, and I installed Ubuntu on hdb1 (/boot), hdb2 (swap) and hdb3 (/)12:18
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tomeuok, i see12:18
AprentisSorcererI partitioned before with Ranish, then just selected the partitioned I wanted by using the expert mode.12:18
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tomeui suppose my problem only happens with them on the same hd12:18
phinwould removing xfree 4.4 or whatever is in ubuntu and going down to 3.3.6 mess up dependancies?12:19
AprentisSorcererEven if /boot is on the second drive, grub detected Win-XP (on hda1) properly and it works well.12:19
tomeuhave read a lot about this problem with fedora and suse, but haven't had any success12:19
LinuxJonesasdf, >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions see #2 section 4 they are in the marillat repo12:20
tomeuyes, has something to do with one os thinking the disk has on geometry and the other another one12:20
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AprentisSorcerertomey, I am not a very advanced user, so there are a lot of questions I cannot answer.12:20
asdf_thanks LinuxJones12:21
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tomeuok, thank you anyway12:21
tomeuwill keep trying for a while12:21
AprentisSorcererur welcome12:21
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phin?? anyone12:22
LinuxJonesasdf_, ;)12:23
saptomeu: what errors do you get from grub and lilo?12:24
tomeusap: grub tells me that the file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly12:25
tomeuwhen i do grub-install12:25
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saptomeu: what about lilo?12:25
tomeusap: and lilo tells me that if i write the partition record to 0x06 (or something like that) in the device 0x007 (...) it can make windows don't boot anymore12:26
tomeudon't know the exact numbers, but was something along that12:27
tomeusap: when i execute sfdisk with -g, it says that the kernel thinks that the disk has 16 heads12:28
phinso there is no way to downgrade to xserver 3.3.6 safely?12:30
saptomeu: i have seen the kernel report two identical disks as having different number of heads, so *i* wouldn't worry too much about that. 12:30
saptomeu:  and i did get problems with the grub-install when i install ubuntu, but managed to boot using lilo instead12:31
tomeusap: did you had windows and ubuntu on the same disk?12:31
sapyes, i have xp, ubuntu and debian on one disk12:32
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q2What version of Gnome comes with Ubuntu?12:33
tomeusap: and can you tell me your partition layout? I'm gonna copy it i you don't care :-)12:33
q2phin, HELL YA!12:33
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phinso no one can help?12:35
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blurlo [Bas]  :)12:36
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jgeorgesoni have a dell inspiron 2600 which won't suspend from either the GDM actions menu or closing the lid12:39
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q2How do i change the theme in Ubuntu?12:40
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q2the Gnome thereme?12:41
LinuxJonesjgeorgeson, ctrl+alt+backspace to restart X12:41
q2dound it12:41
saptomeu: did you get that?12:41
jgeorgesonLinuxJones, I mean putting the computer into suspend mode. when i close the lid, it just turns of the lcd. in windows it does into suspend mode.12:42
LinuxJonesjgeorgeson, oh heh12:42
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tomeusap: sorry, got what?12:44
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jgeorgesonon a presumably related note. the system loads the toshiba_acpi and asus_acpi modules on startup, but I have a dell. how do I stop them from loading? (I saw someone mention /etc/hotplug/blacklist but that didn't work for me)12:45
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blursome one awake here?12:51
andrilhello all again12:52
bluri have a problem with nvidia12:52
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andrili need to know what version of Ubantu is the lates - the one with the Ubuntu ot the Zebra skin?12:52
blurif i start qauke ... and change resolution or load a mod or re quake3 ... x crash12:52
HrdwrBoBandril: that is somewhat old - the latest ubuntu is the daily release CDs12:52
HrdwrBoBblur: are you using nvidias glx modules etc that you know of?12:53
HrdwrBoBdoes glxinfo confirm that?12:53
bluri read the readme ... tryed export __GL_SINGLE_THREADED=112:53
andrilHrdwrBoB: so which is the newest of the 2? I have one that has Ubuntu - then one with the Zebra skin12:54
blurblur@a1200 ~ $ glxinfo |grep direct12:54
blurdirect rendering: Yes12:54
blurif i quit quake3 ... i get the follow "warnings"12:55
blurX Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)12:55
blur  Major opcode of failed request: 13512:55
blur  Minor opcode of failed request: 1012:55
blur  Serial number of failed request: 8612:55
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hartbrkrhow do I make ubuntu boot to textmode instead of graphical login?12:56
andrilKamion: which is newer? The one with the Ubuntu or the Zebra skin?12:56
Kamionandril: the zebra theme is ancient12:57
blurctrl+alt+f1 hartbrkr12:57
blurfirst logo out12:57
andrilwell that one is on the link you provided earlier12:57
hartbrkrblur: is there any way to shut down X completely?12:57
blursudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop ?12:58
blur<< hey im a newb to so dont ask to much :)12:58
HrdwrBoBhartbrkr: you can stop gdm from starting if you like12:58
HrdwrBoBblur is correct though12:58
andrilthe one I am using came from the main site - 12:58
Kamionandril: the zebra one is on the /sounder-test/8/ link12:59
blurbut no one has a solution for my crash x problem after quake 3? :(12:59
Kamionandril: which the mail I linked to explicitly says was a typo12:59
hartbrkrblur what do I do to get back to graphical?01:00
Kamionandril: please read the mail in more details01:00
blursudo /etc/init.d/gdm start01:00
blurelse try xstart 01:00
hartbrkrblur: so ctrl-alt-f1 actually stops X ? 01:01
andrilKamion: "read the mail?" - i got this from the main FTP - should I subscribe?01:01
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blurthat put you in your "text mode"01:01
blursudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop 01:01
Kamion23:57 < andril> well that one is on the link you provided earlier01:01
Kamionandril: please elaborate.01:01
blurstops x 01:01
HrdwrBoBhartbrkr: the only way to properly stop X is by stoppin gdm - otherwise it's automatically restarte4d01:02
Kamionandril: I linked to http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-September/002384.html, which has two incorrect links and two correct links. Read the text of that page to find out which is which.01:02
t35t0ryou can stop xdm01:03
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t35t0rwell if you stop xdm it might not come back up01:03
blurlinux people can type fast how come :P01:03
hartbrkris there any way to stop gdm from starting at all at boot time? i thought you could just change the runlevel in /etc/inittab ??01:03
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Freedomzenhey all has anyone succesfully built xorg-cvs on ubuntu01:03
Kamionmv /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm /etc/rc2.d/s99gdm01:03
HrdwrBoBblur when you spend all day at a keybaor dyou have to hope that somehting comes out of it01:03
HrdwrBoBFreedomzen: unlikely01:04
HrdwrBoBhartbrkr: you can remove gdm from the runlebel01:04
FreedomzenHrdwrBoB: hrrrm seems to be building fine now01:04
HrdwrBoBthere's a program to run but I forget what it is01:04
blurHrdwrBoB, you have an id for my problem ? 01:04
HrdwrBoBblur:join #flood01:04
HrdwrBoBand paste glxinfo01:04
HrdwrBoBhartbrkr: sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm01:05
hartbrkrdoes ubuntu come with gcc compiler? I'm trying to install vmware-tools package cause i'm running linux in vmware, but I keep running into problems with it01:06
Kamionhartbrkr: gcc is on the CD but not installed by default01:06
HrdwrBoBit does not install by default01:06
Kamioninstall the gcc-3.3 package01:06
Freedomzenhartbrkr: no01:06
hartbrkrKamion: will I have to install anything else or will all the dependencies be fixed?01:06
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Kamionhartbrkr: if you use a package management front-end like synaptic, it'll do most of it for you; but you probably want to install libc6-dev as well01:07
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tomeusap: thank you very much, it worked like a charm!01:07
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tomeusap: now I'm able to dual boot without problems01:08
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Phr0stByteKamion: It would be nice if you could choose more than one locale at installation time...01:09
andrilKamino: is it hard to upgrade?01:10
andrilKamion: is it hard to upgrade?01:10
HrdwrBoBandril: it's almost trivial :)01:11
HrdwrBoByou can either upgrade with synaptic01:11
HrdwrBoBor on the command line, using apt-get01:11
andrilI was wondering if I had to do a full install again?01:11
hartbrkrKamion: should I install the package "gcc" or "gcc-3.3" or "gcc-3,4" ??? "gcc-3.3-base" is already installed01:12
andrilI like Synaptics alot01:12
andrilis there a path to update to the newer builds?01:12
andrilKamion: Thanks for the info - getting the Sep 2004 build now01:13
HrdwrBoBandril: click 'Mark All Upgrades'01:13
HrdwrBoBand it will mark all upgradable packages01:13
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socommWhy would anyone use synaptic?01:13
Caprihartbrkr: gcc depends on gcc-3.3 and is such a pseudo package01:13
andrilshouldn't be too hard01:13
Caprihartbrkr: I think01:14
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bradfahey all01:14
smeghi brad01:14
hartbrkrCapri: so which one should I install? "gcc", "gcc-3.3" or "gcc-3.4" ?01:15
andrilthis is a good turn for me :)01:15
KamionPhr0stByte: there's a bug about that I think, but it's not feasible within the design of d-i as it stands; you can 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' after installation to select extra locales01:15
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Kamionhartbrkr: just 'gcc' is fine01:15
Capriinstall gcc and you'll have always the default gcc version which is 3.3 now01:15
andrilit's almost done - these SATA drives eat up data 10x's FASTER01:16
socommhartbrkr, 3.401:16
zenwhenFor the life of me I cannot get a dialup connection tow ork in Ubuntu, or an Xserver started.01:16
HrdwrBoBandril: and by 10x, you mean 1x01:16
Caprisocomm: lol01:16
zenwhento work*01:16
Kamionsocomm: synaptic's our standard desktop package manager; I'm trying to get into the habit of pointing to it for people I don't already know are comfortable with terminals01:16
burnerdoes gaim's away window minimize for anyone else?01:17
burnerit used to in kde for me, but won't in gnome01:17
jgeorgesonhow do i stop certain modules from being loaded at boot?01:18
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andrilwell the Ubuntu install only took under 2min - i thought it was fast01:18
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phinis there anyway to downgrade, safely, to xserver 3.3.6?01:18
HrdwrBoBphin: no.01:18
HrdwrBoBX 3.3 is many years old now01:19
HrdwrBoBwhy do you need this?01:19
phinolder hardware01:19
t35t0rnewer x will run on older hardware01:19
Caprijgeorgeson: depends on how they are loaded ...  maybe remove them from /etc/modules or blacklist them if hotplugged01:19
phinyes but it feels slower01:19
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HrdwrBoBphin: is this a back to back comparison?01:20
t35t0rxorg is not nay faster01:20
phini ran debian on here before01:20
phinwith just 3.3.6 and it felt alot faster01:20
phini also cant figure out how to remove xft all together01:20
andrilHrdwrBoB: so your install was faster that 2 min?01:20
Phr0stByteKamion: Thanx for the info01:20
Serenity^burner,  probly not noticeable,  and if ya use the compositing feature it'll slow down a lot, heh01:21
Kamiontwo minutes is *very* quick01:21
andrilI thought so01:21
Kamionmy amd64 box is quite fast but I don't think it's quite that good01:21
Kamionthis must be only the first stage?01:21
bradfaburner: I don't have the ability to minimize gaim's away messages either01:21
bradfaI did in icewm with debian, but don't think I have ever been able to with gnome01:21
t35t0rthe problem with most distro's is that they don't support older stuff very well because of the latest and greatest philosphy of package management'01:21
jgeorgesonCapri, already tried /etc/hotplug/blacklist. and they aren't listed in /etc/modules (modules in question are asus_acpi and toshiba_acpi)01:21
HrdwrBoBtwo minutes is barely enough time for a reboot01:21
HrdwrBoBand a CD boot01:22
phinhmm i suppose i could move back to debian01:22
phini am diggin ubuntu thou01:22
zenwhenHow does one install the kernel source for the default warty kernel without going online?01:22
zenwhenIs t on the cd?01:22
jgeorgesonzenwhen, linux-source01:22
Kamiont35t0r: forget about that, it's more a matter of the total impracticality of keeping up security support for ancient versions of things like X forever01:22
Kamionzenwhen: the source isn't on the CD; the headers are01:22
zenwhenMenaing I cant compile the Nvidia driver against it01:23
hartbrkri need to install the headers for the kernel sources ?? what package is this?01:23
Kamionheaders should be enough to compile things like third-party network drivers01:23
zenwhenI cant get a dialup connection either.01:23
andrilI have a total of 8 Maxtor 250GB SATA Ultra Series between my machines and they kick a**01:23
t35t0rKamion, well there is always security vs speed, esp in phin's case ..i don't think he cares about security on that box01:23
Kamiont35t0r: most distributions cannot in good conscience release stuff they can't security-support.01:23
zenwhenIs there a guide somewhere for setting up dialup in Ubuntu?01:23
phincorrect, its not to big of a deal01:23
phini mean, its a slow machine anywya01:24
Kamionit's not up to us whether users care about security ...01:24
phink6-2 300 64 megs of mem01:24
t35t0rKamion, heh latest and greatest01:24
t35t0ri wouldn't use any distro for such an old system01:24
andrilI have a question... can I use Ubuntu as a mainstream OS? (let go M$ and Bad Apples)01:24
phinwhat do you mean?01:24
t35t0rwell i would probably use a distro'01:24
t35t0rbut then compile X myself01:25
phindebian was great :)01:25
bradfaI'm having trouble setting up my HP LaserJet 1300 printer, I can't seem to get the printer config to actually change to US Letter, it defaults to A4 and the resulting print outs are not what I want01:25
t35t0rif you want something older01:25
t35t0ror get the binary if you have it01:25
Kamionandril: well, that's part of the point of Ubuntu ...01:25
phinhad xserver 3.3.601:25
phinbut the problem then01:25
bradfaEven when I change the gnome printer config to say US Letter, it still is trying to print on A4 paper01:25
phinis packages break01:25
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Caprijgeorgeson: I'm sorry. I have no idea where these two modules are loaded. Must be something in init but don't find it at the moment01:25
t35t0rphin don't use package management on X01:26
andrilKamion: thanks again!!!!!01:26
t35t0rphin or force install01:26
bradfaI found a listing in the bugs asking a similar question, but no answer yet01:26
phinwell im compiling a new kernel01:27
phinwith the ck patches01:27
phinlets see if that helps a little ;)01:27
andrilwell I love the release - and love the channel - Be Back Soon - later all01:27
phinif not then i think i'll dive back to debian01:27
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jgeorgesonCapri, all the output during boot, is that logged somewhere? I might be to able to find out from that, as it's part of a block (there's one line that has the ok/fail, then a bunch of sub items starting with * before the next line with ok/fail)01:27
phineither way, ubuntu is a great distro :)01:27
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jgeorgesonCapri, found something "Setting up acpid (1.0.3-19ubuntu10) ..." is the ok/fail line01:28
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burnerthanks for checking bradfa 01:28
Caprijgeorgeson: yep, command dmesg prints the bootlog to stdout01:29
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OrangeSlicehello people01:30
jgeorgesonhi OrangeSlice01:30
LinuxJoneshi Orange01:30
OrangeSliceI seem to have, er... deleted my gnome panel01:30
HrdwrBoBOrangeSlice: oops :)01:30
zenwhenHas anyone in here used ubuntu with a 6800 series Nvidia card?01:30
OrangeSliceyes, indeed01:30
jgeorgesonOrangeSlice, all of them? i didn't think it would let you delete them all01:31
phinya it does01:31
OrangeSliceno, just the one that displays running applications and such01:31
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phinright click on the top one01:31
t35t0rzenwhen, is there something particular with the 6800 that makes it work differently in linux than say a 5500 ?01:31
phingoto add panel01:31
phinthen right click on the new panel01:31
phinand there should be a task toolbar or something01:31
zenwhent35t0r, Im wondering wy Ubuntu gives the message that it will ignore the PCI device 01:00:0 (my 6800) on boot.01:32
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OrangeSliceaha, hooray01:32
OrangeSlicethank you01:32
t35t0rzenwhen, first is there anything wrong with your setup ..are you getting an X display?01:33
Caprijgeorgeson: I have it01:33
zenwhent35t0r, not that i know of.01:33
jgeorgesonOrangeSlice, that panel had "Window List", "Trash Applet", and "Show Desktop" applets01:33
zenwhenIt said that the first time I booted ubuntu01:34
Phr0stBytezenwhen: nope - I have a FX 5200  =(01:34
zenwhenI have two issues blocking me from even being able to decide whether I like Ubuntu.01:34
jgeorgesonCapri, the solution? or you get those modules loaded too?01:34
OrangeSliceyeah, I just finished a dist-upgrade, then deleted my panel.  haha01:34
zenwhenCant start X. Cant configure dialup.01:34
t35t0rwell that has nothing to dowith ubuntu01:34
Caprijgeorgeson: have a look at /etc/default/acpid You must replace MODULES="all" with MODULES="battery ac processor button fan thermal"01:35
t35t0rzenwhen, that might be a kernel issue01:35
zenwhenThe dialup configuration issue is certaily ubuntu.01:35
[rain] Hm, I've found an error in the swedish keymaps that comes with ubuntu. I don't know if this is the place to turn? the key on the left side of the "Z"-key is dead.01:35
t35t0rzenwhen, you have a winmodem?01:35
zenwhenI give it all of the correct information that works perfectly in Slackware and it doesnt work.01:35
jrydberg_Hmm.  I can't get swedish characters in the terminal.01:35
t35t0rzenwhen, ahh...01:35
jrydberg_They work in GTK/GNOME applications, though.  Strange.01:35
zenwhenWhy, as a linux user would I have a winmodem?01:36
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t35t0rzenwhen, many people do01:36
t35t0rzenwhen, and what is "it"01:36
zenwhenI want to try Ubuntu because Pat is dropping Gnome from Slackware01:36
HrdwrBoB[rain] : file a bug01:36
zenwhenI cant support a man who wont support Gnome01:36
phingood man01:36
phingnome is the shit01:36
t35t0rslackware is dropping gnome?01:36
phinwish i could run it on here01:36
Caprijgeorgeson: you find the existing modules in ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/acpi/01:36
phinfluxbox for me!01:36
zenwhenOh the modem works fine in Ubuntu. the configuration for the actual handshake does not.01:36
zenwhen cant figure out whats so different about pon01:37
t35t0rzenwhen, a default handshake is atz01:37
zenwhenI know01:38
zenwhenIts just odd.01:38
jgeorgesonCapri: cool, rebooting now to confirm01:38
zenwhenThe exact config that works in slack and with redhat based OS's does not work in Ubuntu01:38
zenwhenWhoich makes me think pon is tossing in something its not telling me.01:38
t35t0rwhat prog are you using to dial01:38
Capriyou can try a rmmod toshiba_acpi 01:38
Capriand a sudo /etc/init.d/acpid restart01:38
[rain] jrydberg_: you have to set a keymap specifically for the console01:39
jrydberg_[rain] : Same for xterm? 01:40
t35t0rzenwhen, can you use /dev/tty* to communicate with the modem?01:40
[rain] jrydberg_: yep01:40
t35t0ri don't see why it shouldn't work using the same program01:41
jgeorgesonCapri, seems to have worked01:41
zenwhenOh no01:41
t35t0rif you can do it manually why wouldn't it work with pon01:41
zenwhenWith Slackware I use ppp-go01:41
zenwhenIts a slackware util01:41
zenwhenWith redhat based distos I used wvdial.01:42
t35t0rcan't you use it ubuntu?01:42
zenwhenwvdial doesnt seem to be instaled in ubuntu01:42
Caprijgeorgeson: ok. no orange stars in boot anymore ;o)01:42
jgeorgesonCapri, none indeed. thanks01:42
Kamionzenwhen: current builds install wvdial01:43
t35t0rIf you are using Debian GNU/Linux, try using pppconfig  or wvdial (highly recommended). Once you have this set up, you just run pon and poff to start and stop your dialup connection.01:43
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zenwhenIt seems most distros are forgetting that 53% of america still uses dialup.01:43
jgeorgesonok, so now that I have that done, anyone know a good resource for getting into acpi so i can try and get my laptop to suspend and hibernate?01:43
zenwhenI bet its more so in less developed countries.01:43
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t35t0ris there a pppconfig?01:43
anonobomberMepisBelle: troll!01:43
t35t0rthat's the main part01:44
t35t0rmake sure that is properly setup01:44
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zenwhenpppconfig works, but creates a non working configuration that fails the handshake with my ISP/01:44
zenwhenthats my issue01:44
MepisBelleanonobomber: Guilty - but a courteous one.01:44
t35t0rzenwhen, what's your isp?01:44
t35t0rzenwhen, ahh that should work with regular ppp01:44
zenwhenWhich I am connected to in Slackware right now.01:44
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t35t0rzenwhen, when you say "fails handshake with ISP" do you mean that the modem works but it can't negotiate PPP with the PPP server or that your modem just doesn't work ?01:45
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zenwhenI mean the modem works perfectly, starts the handshake, and then gives a random error every time. 01:46
zenwhenIt changes depeneding on its mood I guess.01:46
zenwhenIts so annoying to go in there and have no internet and try to troubleshoot something I know nothing about.01:46
zenwhenppp-setup was much more straighforward and created a working config the first time01:47
t35t0rzenwhen, ls -l /etc/ppp01:48
zenwhenperhaps I could copy my entire /etc/ppp over and pray01:49
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t35t0rzenwhen, that might work01:49
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thki'm considering running ubuntu on my ibook.01:51
thkhow is the support for ppc-packages?01:52
cleethk: top notch.01:53
cleethk: A few of the Ubuntu devs have Powerbooks. The rest have X40s apparently :)01:53
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wm_eddielets face it IBM makes the best laptops01:56
t35t0rwm_eddie, the most expensive ones01:56
wm_eddieThat too01:57
thkah, nice01:57
wm_eddieAlthough I don't really agree with that damn Trusted computing technology....01:57
mjrat least some of the most linux-friendly ones too01:57
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t35t0ryou can get a good generic one also01:57
t35t0ri have a ECS G736 ..its a good desktop replacement ..except i somehow fried the internal PRISM3 wireless device using linux-wlan-ng01:58
wm_eddieIt's because of that Trusted Computing chip that I'm not buying an IBM next year.01:58
t35t0rwm_eddie, you can opt not to use trusted computing01:58
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wm_eddiet35t0r: What do you mean?01:58
wm_eddienot have it installed?01:58
phosphorgreenlo every101:58
t35t0rwm_eddie, not have it enabled?01:59
t35t0rwm_eddie, which model are you talking about?01:59
zenwhenwm_eddie, its not something that prevents you from using your computer how you want no matter what01:59
wm_eddieIf I can have a laptop with one or without one, I'll chose the one without one.01:59
phosphorgreencan i just say for the record that ubuntu-i386 runs a lot better than ubuntu-amd6401:59
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t35t0rwm_eddie, that's just paranoia01:59
Phr0stByteDamn, I love my Ubuntu box!!!01:59
t35t0rphosphorgreen, on amd64 i presume...01:59
phosphorgreeni have an amd64 yes02:00
t35t0rphosphorgreen, its the code ...02:00
t35t0rphosphorgreen, that's a generality which really doesn't make sense02:00
MepisBelleNice review of Mepis Linux for anyone interested:  http://lnxg.ca/reviews/smepis2004/02:00
t35t0ri wouldn't use a binary only distro for amd6402:00
wm_eddiet35t0r: It's no paranoia, I won't be using any programs that would use the TC chip.  But I diagree with everything it stands for.02:00
phosphorgreenthe reliability of i386 is much better than the 64bit release02:00
wm_eddieand you should too.02:00
t35t0rwm_eddie, i'm not saying i don't ..but there may come a time when you cannot find one without it02:01
phosphorgreenthings are crashing all the time and i cant download and get libs/compiler to work correctly02:01
phosphorgreenbut i386 version appears to load apps faster and runs flawlessly02:01
Kamionphosphorgreen: have you filed bugs? seriously, we need to know details of this kind of thing in order to fix it02:01
MepisBelleSomeone needs to get Linuxgruven to review Ub untu.02:01
Kamionbugzilla is our to-do list; if it's not in bugzilla, it isn't on our list of stuff to fix :)02:01
t35t0rwm_eddie, trusted computing is the analog of the patriot act02:02
phosphorgreenKamion: yes, i have ran bugzilla when bugzilla it's self wasnt crashing02:02
wm_eddiet35t0r: I hope that day never comes.  I'm not saying I won't buy one, but I'd rather not if I can.02:02
t35t0rwm_eddie, give us your freedom and we'll make sure you are secure02:02
wm_eddieBecause in reality it doesn't affect me.02:03
t35t0rwm_eddie, except in RL you can't just "turn off" the patriot act02:03
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wm_eddie:( Man that IBM X series is expensive.02:03
wm_eddiet35t0r: yes you can. I can move to Canada.02:03
HrdwrBoBbut soo gooood02:03
wm_eddieOr England02:03
wm_eddieor (where I will be going) Japan.02:04
t35t0rwm_eddie, that's not simply "turning it off" ...and i still think living in the US is much better than any other country02:04
t35t0rnot that i've lived anywhere else really02:04
thkjust get an ibook instead :)02:04
t35t0rwm_eddie, just get a generic like an ecs or acer or whatever02:04
wm_eddiet35t0r: I'm actually looking at this one: http://elementcomputer.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=3302:05
thki love the apple hardware and design.02:05
t35t0rohh those things02:05
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wm_eddieI'm not all to crazy about Tablet PCs but this one really does work with linux out of the box... so to speak.02:06
t35t0rwm_eddie, how often do people really use the LCD screen in such a manner ..turning it an a crazy obtuse angle02:06
wm_eddiet35t0r: to show it off :p02:06
thkdoes SATA run more smooth of a lilo or grub-boot? or does it make any diffrence at all?02:06
wm_eddieBut, the IBM X series has nearly 7.5 hours of battery life :(02:07
t35t0rwow that's cheap!!!02:07
t35t0rit has touch panel too!!02:07
t35t0roh its a VIA antaur02:07
wm_eddieand Element Computer's linux comes with a handwriting recognition system.02:07
t35t0rno wonder02:07
wm_eddieEven Element's Desktop machine is a touch screen.02:07
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t35t0rit's probably good for a truly mobile machine ...02:09
t35t0rbut then i might get a sony with a 12"02:09
wm_eddieI don't think Xstroke can work with Kanji though :/02:09
t35t0rheh you know japanese?02:10
wm_eddieYes, I've been studying Japanese for two years.  That's why I said I will be moving there.02:10
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nasdaq4088What is the Japanese word for Samurai wm_eddie?02:12
wm_eddienasdaq4088: that's a toughy...02:13
smegbit redunut?02:13
smegbit redundent (sp)?02:14
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smeghas any one had a problem with an esound fail problem when stating gnome?02:15
wm_eddiehehe xstrokeis02:16
wm_eddieI meant to say xstroke is cool.02:16
wm_eddiebut it took forever...02:16
wm_eddielets see if I can do this with an ximput method.02:17
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wm_eddiehmm, I've seem to have gotten keyboard focus stuck on this window.02:20
slartibartfastat least you can talk to other people.02:20
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rileymy cd-rom drive goes slower than it should (7x on a 52x drive), even with DMA turned on... is there another way to make it go faster?02:23
rileyor could it just be sound juicer that's going slow?02:23
HrdwrBoBCD ripping is not the same as simple data reading02:24
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HrdwrBoBa more expensive slower drive will rip faster02:24
rileyoh ok because my cd-rom drive was $20 lol02:24
rileyis there something i should look for in the specs that would help with that?02:25
djtanseyhas anyone here worked with acpi suspend? (especially if you have an ibm thinkpad. i have an x40 and just installed ubuntu. everything works except i seem to freeze when i come out of suspend. i get a display but i can't do anything.)02:25
wm_eddiethis sucks02:25
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wm_eddieI can't write a Y for the life of me.02:25
wm_eddieIt doesn't even look like a T!!!02:26
wm_eddiestupid Xstroke02:26
JeedeeIs 14 of oct still planned for the release?02:27
JeedeeThank you02:28
rileyso will that be a huge improvement over this one?02:28
wm_eddieI Can't wait!02:28
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wm_eddieOn that day, I'll remove the disgustingness that is Gentoo on my Desktop02:29
JeedeeDo you know if they are aware that the i386 vs the amd64 cds are really different? I could not install the amd64 on a laptop, there was a bunch of modules missing ect02:29
rileyi've noticed alot of programs report missing libs when i try to run the config script, so i assume things like that will be fixed02:29
jkghmm. has anyone had any problems installing mono (on Ubuntu, obviously)?02:30
JeedeeIs it in synaptic?02:30
wm_eddieriley: Make sure you check to see if a bug was filed, if it wasn't file it.02:30
jkgI've no idea, I just ran "apt-get install mono" and got some stuff about dependencies breaking02:30
wm_eddiejkg: I installed mono just fine on Ubuntu02:30
jkgwm_eddie: right, it might just be me then.02:31
wm_eddiejkg: Try apt-get install monodevelop02:31
magnonyeah, I had broken deps on mono today too02:31
jkgE: Couldn't find package monodevelop02:31
wm_eddiejkg: no, I remember something... like that. but I can't recall exactly.02:31
wm_eddiemaybe it's temporary.02:31
jkgmagnon: oh, right02:31
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slartibartfastdjtansey: hey again.  i have the t42p... acpi suspend doesn't work with my kernel apparently.02:34
jgeorgesonis swsusp packaged into the ubuntu kernel?02:35
slartibartfasthere's a simple question about kernel names.02:35
slartibartfastuname -a returns Linux mono-pole #1 Tue Oct 5 13:52:15 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux02:36
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slartibartfastubuntu bug 1055 (https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1055) tells me that sleep is fixed in
slartibartfastkamion mentioned something about this not being a kernel per se, but i had no idea what he was talking about02:38
slartibartfastany ideas?02:38
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wm_eddieTime to learn tomorrow Kanji02:39
slarti|awayWhich ones?02:39
wm_eddieAnd forget English!02:39
wm_eddieThe ones from page 267-297 in my book :)02:40
slarti|awayAh yes.  Page 274 is a killer.02:40
wm_eddieNo it's not, it's just nishi and eiga :p02:41
slarti|awayOh, then you're using the wrong book.02:41
slarti|awayGood luck.02:41
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phosphorgreenany1 any ideas why nautilus wont detect a blank cd when inserted?02:43
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swoonhi is there anyway I can set my eth0 to static from commandline so that on boot it will have those settings?, a file somewhere perhaps?02:44
jgeorgesonphosphorgreen, check the preferences in Computer->Desktop Preferences->Removable Media02:45
phosphorgreenswoon: view /etc/network/interfaces02:47
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phosphorgreenjgeorgeson: says 'Perform action on blank CDs when inserted' (ticked), following action is used: autilus --no-desktop burn:02:48
swoonphosphorgreen: great but what lines would I enter to set gateway, dns, host name and stuff?02:48
phosphorgreenif i attempt to double-click the media in 'disks' under CD-ROM202:48
jgeorgesonswoon, `man interfaces` for the syntax02:49
phosphorgreenbeat me to it jgeorgeson ;)02:49
gabeHas anyone had any luck installing tseng's current monodevelop package?  Perhaps I'm doing something wrong, but apt doesn't seem to get all the dependencies.02:49
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phosphorgreenif i attempt to double-click the media in 'disks' under CD-ROM2 it reads Unable to mount the selected volume. The volume is probably in a format that cannot be mounted.02:49
jgeorgesonphosphorgreen, is it a blank CDR[W] ,? has it possibly been formatted with UDF?02:50
phosphorgreenno ive tried many types of different disks, all CDR02:50
jgeorgesonphoshorgreen, what if you open a nautilus window and type `burn:` in the location?02:51
phosphorgreenjgeorgeson: i dont seem to have a location bar in nautilus for gnome 2.8, is this normal?02:52
phosphorgreenbtw is this all to do with spatial browsing? its a pain in the ass02:52
jgeorgesonphosphorgreen, the location missing is because of spatial, but i would have thought the burn interface still functional02:52
jgeorgesonphosphorgreen, is there a menu to open a file browser?02:53
phosphorgreenif i click in Computer 'Places' I can open the CD Creator window from there, which i guess is the same as burn:///02:53
jgeorgesonphosphorgreen, do you want to make the old browse interface the default (there's a pref checkbox for it)(sounds like that should be the same location)02:53
phosphorgreenjgeorgeson: yes, that would be great, where is the check box?02:54
phosphorgreenoh and why is spatial supposed to be better?02:54
jgeorgesonComputer->Desktop Preferences->File Management, Behavior Tab, under the first set of radio Buttons under "Behavior" is a checkbox "Always open in browser windows"02:55
phosphorgreenmany thanks02:56
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jgeorgesonbecause it more closely approximates how real folders are arranged in a filing cabinet (same location when you open the drawer, files in folder arranged the same way, etc)02:56
phosphorgreenwell it makes no sense to me.02:57
jgeorgesonwell, they're right that it's closer to the real thing. but hardly anybody wants that same interface from their computer. 02:57
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phosphorgreenhey, does any1 know if burn:/// does changing of mp3 audio to cd audio on the fly?02:57
jgeorgesonit does not02:58
jgeorgesonat least it didn't the last I knew, may have changed02:58
mjrI don't think it burns anything other than data02:59
boogerdoes any one know why my k3b is seeing my burner under devices yet says that it cannont find a suitable burner when I go to place a burn?02:59
jimerichanyone here who can help me retrieve my panels02:59
LinuxJonesnight all02:59
boogercould it be the version 0.11.1202:59
boogergnome-panel under terminal?03:00
boogerdid you log in and now your panels are missing?03:00
boogerright click on the desktop03:00
boogerselect terminal03:00
jimerichyes I'm there03:01
boogerunder terminal su to root or sudo03:01
boogerps -A03:01
boogerlook for gnome-panel03:01
boogerkill it03:01
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boogerthen exit03:01
boogerback to your user account03:01
booger and type gnome-panel03:02
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boogerthis just happened to me AAMOF03:02
PenguinBoyhey guys!03:02
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jimerichcan't find a gnome-panel03:02
boogerthen exit back to your user account03:03
boogerand simply type gnome-panel03:03
boogersometimes your gnome panel will be running but not display03:03
jimerichsays bash: gnome-panel: command not found03:03
jimerichI suspect I created the problem by.....03:04
jimerichtrying to uninstall and reinstall evolution03:04
jimerichI didn't notice a problem until I rebooted03:04
boogerlet me see03:04
jimerichI can't remember the name of the graphical program i used to do this03:05
jgeorgesonjimerich, `dpkg -l gnome-panel`03:05
jgeorgesonjimerich, run that command in the terminal03:05
boogertry /usr/bin/gnome-panel03:06
boogeroh sorry03:06
boogeryou probably want to listen to JG, I's still a noob myself03:06
jimerich| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed03:06
jimerich|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)03:06
jimerich||/ Name           Version        Description03:06
jimerichpn  gnome-panel    <none>         (no description available)03:06
jgeorgesonjimerich, looks like it was uninstalled. run `sudo apt-get install gnome-panel` to get it back03:07
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boogercould someone give me a hand with my k3b issue?03:07
swoonis there a command line browser like lynx installed in ubuntu by default?03:07
swoonif not whats the fastest way to install one real fast? dont hav emuch time03:07
boogerFYI for other noobs, when I installed k3b using sudo I ran into errors03:07
boogerso I enabled the root account (Im' too used to having one) and reinstalled k3b03:08
jkgswoon: w3m might be installed, otherwise apt-get install w3m03:08
boogerall of the errors went away, including the DCOP error03:08
jgeorgesonbooger, could be a permissions issue. i think i've read to run `sudo k3b` or `sudo k3bsetup` once first so that the permissions get set right03:08
boogerreally? I tried running k3bsetup with root but nothing happens03:09
boogerlet me give it a whirl03:09
boogertnx JG03:09
jgeorgesonswoon, or the links or lynx or elinks package, whatever your preference is03:09
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jgeorgesonbooger, i don't do much cd burning in linux, so that's about as far as i can help03:10
jimerichthanks jgeorgeson, worked like magic03:11
phosphorgreenis there some rule or something in gnome 2.8 saying that the cdrw has to be cdrom1? Nautilus just doesn't recognise my cdrw as a cdrw, it thinks its a cdrom03:11
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jgeorgesonjimerich, you may also want to run `sudo apt-get check` to see if anything else is missing03:11
jimerichwill do,tnx03:12
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phosphorgreenany1 have the same issue as me: nautilus doesn't detect blank cds03:17
avardoes ubuntu have some graphical frontend for apt-get?03:18
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phosphorgreenavar: yes, synaptic03:18
ranmanavar: synaptic..03:18
swoonfrom recovery command line can I get to runlevel 5 ?03:18
phosphorgreenwhy runlevel 5? u sure not 2?03:18
mjrby the way, were the known amd64 bugs weeded out from the socket 939 ones, anyone?03:18
swoonphosphorgreen:  whatever I need to be to install the nvidia driver03:19
ranmanif you are in recovery, when you get out, then you go to the default runlevel..03:19
phosphorgreenI did this:03:19
phosphorgreeninit 103:19
phosphorgreentook me to initlevel 103:19
phosphorgreenthen init 203:19
phosphorgreentook me back to gdm03:19
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phosphorgreenand the nvidia drivers 'splash' screen came up03:19
ranmaninit 2 is default for Debian.. It is the runlevel 5 for Redhat..03:19
swoonhmm I need to install the driver without going into X first...03:20
swoonso if I just boot normal it starts x03:20
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avarare there screenshots of this "synaptic" avalible somewhere?03:20
phosphorgreenswoon: did you apt-get the nvidia driver from the ubuntu repository or did u get the nvidia drivers from the nvidia.com site?03:20
swoonphosphorgreen: from nvidia.com03:21
ygnomeavar: just load it, and see for yourself...03:21
swoonshould I apt-get it?03:21
phosphorgreenswoon: i have apt-getted my current nvidia drivers (they appear to be the nvidia.com drivers).03:21
avarygnome: i dont have ubuntu;), i was going to install it for a friend, thought mainline debian might be a little too much.03:21
moyogoavar: Computer > System Configuration > Synaptic03:21
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phosphorgreenmade a huge difference to 3d graphics03:21
swoonphosphorgreen:  what would the command be: apt-get nvidia ?03:21
phosphorgreengo into synaptic and search for nvidia03:22
ygnomeavar: I'd agree with that if your friend is a linux newbie.03:22
moyogoavar: http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic/action.html03:22
swoonphosphorgreen: just "synaptic nvidia" ?03:22
phosphorgreenerr, no, click on Computer > System Configuration > Synaptic03:22
phosphorgreenand search for nvidia within the program03:22
swoonphosphorgreen:  I cant get into X until I instll the nvidia driver see03:23
avarmoyogo: nice, looks cool. And it will work just the same for debian packages if i change sources.list to something like debian testing ?03:23
phosphorgreenswoon: no, go into x and forget the nvidia driver you got from nvidia.com03:23
phosphorgreenuse apt03:23
phosphorgreenit is your friend03:23
boogerthat's the problem, no devices found within k3b because I haven't run k3bsetup03:23
ygnomeavar: it will, but u shouldn't do that03:23
moyogoavar: yeah synaptic should work on debian, just like apt does03:23
avarygnome: why?03:23
swoonphosphorgreen:  I cannot use x without the new driver! simply cannot see the screen without the new driver...03:23
avarwell assuming i want to change the entire system to mainline debian of course.03:24
boogerhas anyone here isntalled k3b using the root account??03:24
ygnomeavar:  differnet sources will conflict03:24
jgeorgesonswoon, synaptic is a gui tool, from command line, you could use `apt-get update; apt-cache search nvidia` and then `apt-get install <name> using whatever package name you got from the apt-cache command03:24
moyogoavar: do you mean to use debian apt sources in ubuntu?03:24
swoongreat thank you jgeorgeson 03:24
jgeorgesonswoon, i'm surprised the open source nv driver doesn't work at all on your card03:24
ygnomeavar: I'm not sure an 'upgrade to debian' will work.03:24
avarI mean can one change an ubuntu install to a debian one,03:24
moyogoavar: the opposite has been done03:24
phosphorgreenswoon: apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-dev nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-settings03:25
phosphorgreenthat should install all the nvidia stuff03:25
ygnomeavar: if you have time, and know what u are doing, it _might_ work, but I strongly doubt it.03:25
moyogoavar: why not just install debian?03:25
ranmanswoon: apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-settings 03:25
phosphorgreenbut you should get X even without the nvidi drivers03:25
jgeorgesonavar, the problem is packages of the same name and version in different repositories, apt doesn't handle it well. if you enable the universe repo you will get most of the debian testing archive (i think testing is the right one)03:25
avarmoyogo: Well i was going to use ubuntu, but having the option to switch to debian later would be nice.03:25
HrdwrBoBavar: you won't want to switch, and it's not recommended03:26
HrdwrBoBthat said03:26
moyogoavar: hmmm, but ubuntu is sort of based on debian03:26
HrdwrBoBit's technically vaguely possible03:26
HrdwrBoBI have done it to a point03:26
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jgeorgesonHrdwrBoB, he was probably just bs'ing, but i read a post on /. of a guy saying he installed apt on redhat, and converted to a debian box with crufty rh stuff left over03:27
Phr0stByteHrdwrBoB: me to - by accident (first exoerience with apt-get)03:27
HrdwrBoByou might be able to do that03:27
avarHrdwrBoB: how does ubuntu's repository compare with debians? A lot of software?03:27
HrdwrBoBbut you would have to be some sort of retard :)03:27
boogeryea , you can also install portage on RH03:27
HrdwrBoBavar: it has most everything you need03:28
Kosaiavar: They've rebuilt the debian repository for ubuntu, and named it "universe".03:28
Ex-Cyberuniverse is a snapshot, correct?03:28
Ex-Cyberi.e. it doesn't track debian unstable?03:28
Ex-Cybernot continually anyhow03:29
ranmanHrdwrBob: You are definitely someone that I would go to when I need my spirits lifted.. haha03:29
HrdwrBoByes and it was never unstable03:29
HrdwrBoBit was from testing03:29
HrdwrBoBranman: I'm a very straightforward person :)03:29
HrdwrBoBwhile universe isn't actively supported, it does accept patches to fix things03:30
boogerany way I can get rid of this ICE shit03:31
boogerit kept me from loggin in earlier03:31
boogerso I renamed it in the failsafe03:31
boogernow it03:32
boogerrearing it's ugly head on me03:32
boogerI'm getting disgusted can you tell? no sound k3b is close yet far from working, damn03:32
Phr0stBytebooger really knows how to fill those buffers, yeah?03:32
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jgeorgesonbooger, you mean icewm? `apt-get remove icewm; dpkg -P icewm` and I'm just guessing on the package name03:33
boogerno the ICEauthority03:33
boogerI wnet through that whole bit to install k3b, it didn't work03:34
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boogerso I enabled root, k3b now works03:34
boogerwithout error03:34
jgeorgesonbooger, when running as root?03:34
boogerbut, no burner device found03:34
boogerif I run as root, it finds the burner but doesn't fine cdrdao03:34
boogerso I'm screwed both ways03:34
boogerI can't get k3bsetup to load at all03:35
Phr0stBytebooger: any reason your hell-bent on k3b?03:35
boogerI've tried em all, k3b is well worth it, IMO03:36
alexgDMA doesn't seem to be working on my optical drive and the IDE hard drive.  hdparm -d1 /dev/hdX doesn't work.03:36
alexgHowever, the proper IDE module is loaded.03:36
Phr0stBytebooger: Do you use Gnome?03:36
boogerI need dvd burner/copying  capability03:36
boogeroh yes, Gnome only03:36
jgeorgesonbooger, have you checked the ubuntu bugzilla for k3b bugs? maybe you're hitting one none of us know about (seems not too many other people here use it)03:36
boogerno I haven't, I will though.03:37
Phr0stBytebooger: What do you need to do that Nautilus burning cant do?03:37
alexgHelp getting DMA working?03:37
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jgeorgesonPhr0stByte, I would guess the DVD burning03:37
boogercan it decode mp3 to cdda, copy dvd's to iso format?03:37
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jgeorgesonalexg, anything relevant in dmesg or /var/log/messages?03:38
bob2ubuntu doesn't include mp3 decoders.03:38
Phr0stBytejgeorgeson: It does burn DVDs (.ISOs anyway...)03:38
jgeorgesonPhr0stByte, neat003:38
Phr0stByteand data03:38
jgeorgesonbob2, i thought it did if you enable universe03:39
alexgjgeorgeson: Not really.  Just: Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2 and ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx03:39
alexgLike I said, the proper IDE module is loaded (in my case via82cxxx)03:39
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boogerI also d-load a concert or movie from time to time, k3b makes it easy03:40
alexgBut hdparm -d1 isn't permitted on either of the IDE devices in my machine.03:40
jgeorgesonalexg, you are running it with sudo, or in a root shell?03:40
boogerCan I delete the ICEauthority file in my /home?03:40
jgeorgesonbooger, y03:40
alexgSudo, of course.03:41
Phr0stByteNautilus burning is simpler - believe me. Try it once and you will laugh at the simplicity03:41
alexg sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc -> HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted03:41
jgeorgesonalexg, i assumed so, just thought i'd check. i don't much about tweaking hardware settings03:42
boogerLet me give it try PB03:42
jgeorgesonPhr0stByte, does it do audio CDs?03:43
jgeorgesonbooger, the gnome CD ripping tool is sound-juicer03:43
Phr0stBytejgeorgeson: Have not tried that yet - I was using k3b before03:43
boogerI'm using the nautilus burner app now03:44
boogerman, that is simple03:46
jgeorgesonPhr0stByte, last I remember, it would burn audio CDs, but is a less than ideal tool for it. as you can't specify what order the tracks go (guess it just does alphabetical)03:46
boogercan you do cd-text?03:46
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boogerthat was quick, all done03:46
jgeorgesonPhr0stByte, but yeah, data CDs in nautilus-cd-burner are so much more straight-forward03:46
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boogerMy car cd-player displays cd-text which is nice since all I do is sharpie the band name on the disc03:50
PenguinBoycan someone tell me what I am doing wrong...signed into root....apt-get install thunderbird....Reading Package Lists....DOne....Building Dependency tree...Done...E: Couldn;t fin package thunderbird03:50
jgeorgesonPenguinBoy, mozilla-thunderbird03:50
boogerso I don't have to print/sharpie the song names03:50
slarti|awayyou can always search the packages.debian.org site, although there should still be a better way.03:50
jgeorgesonbooger, if there isn't a checkbox for it, then man nautilus-cd-burner03:50
PenguinBoyjgeorgeson...works like a charm...thanks a bunch!03:50
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jgeorgesonwell, i'm outta here folks03:50
PenguinBoyi just installed Ubuntu today.....I love it!03:50
boogerl8R JG03:50
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alexgHmm... There's some posts in the ubuntu-users archive saying I should edit /etc/hdparm.conf.03:50
alexgAnyone know if that will help?03:50
alexgIt doesn't seem like it would, given that the proper module is loaded and everything.03:50
alexgI think I might need to recompile my kernel :\03:50
xskoulaxWhere is grubs config file in ubuntu?03:50
boogerone last question for the night03:50
alexgOn my system it's /boot/grub/menu.lst (strangely).03:50
alexgI had to hunt for it earlier.03:50
booger my audio card has been detected, mp3's play but no sound03:50
xskoulaxi was just about to say i can't see it03:50
xskoulaxbooger, have you checked your mixer settings03:50
phosphorgreenany1 know any good gtk based cd burners?03:50
boogerI'm sorry, that's on my latop running fedora03:50
boogergreen, good luck03:51
boogerI've tried and I've died03:51
mjrphosphorgreen, it's pretty much only gcombust to my knowledge (as far as general purpose burning software goes)03:52
mjroh yeah, xcdroast is gtk 1.2 too03:52
phosphorgreeni used gtoaster which was fine, but it wont install on ubuntu03:52
mjrah, good point03:52
mjrI'd completely forgotten about that, my bad03:53
boogerfor gtk03:53
smeg__ i keep getting an  "/dev/dsp : no such device"  when i try to start gnome, it is in the  .xsesson  it comes up to the Ubuntu login but hangs when i try to stat gnome any sugestions how to fix it?03:53
boogernot sure if it's still being maintained though03:53
phosphorgreenany idea why new apps installed by synaptic dont always make an icon in your applications list?03:53
HrdwrBoBphosphorgreen: that's depenant on the application03:54
HrdwrBoBif you think it should be in the menu03:54
HrdwrBoBfile an enhancement bugreport against that package03:54
boogerxsk, what's the command to turn the volume up for my volume mixers?03:54
boogerI'm sure it's a volume issue03:55
mjrphosphorgreen, gtoaster installs from universe just fine for me03:55
HrdwrBoBbooger: right click on the speaker in the top right and start the volume control03:55
boogercan gtoaster handle dvd burning03:55
boogerI've gone through just about all of them, no luck03:55
boogerHB, but I'll look again03:56
Phr0stBytebooger: k3b is not ready for use yet - I just tried it. Very buggy03:56
boogerPhrost, thanks for the info, I'll have to weight my options03:56
boogernautilus did burn my cd quickly03:57
PenguinBoyDoes Ubuntu not come with KDE???03:57
boogerhell no, I wish03:57
smeg__dose Ubuntu come with any other window manages?03:57
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PenguinBoycan you apt-get KDE?03:58
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boogeryea, but the problem is that you can't install the normal way03:58
boogertheres a faq you can follow on the ubuntu website under support/howtos03:58
boogerI tried and died03:58
PenguinBoyis it difficult?03:58
PenguinBoyif you dies...then I would certainly crash in flames03:59
boogerYou may have better luck, and I'm a noob, so the odds are against me from the get go03:59
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boogeryea, this is killing me03:59
PenguinBoyboog....how long in Debian?03:59
boogerI rely on k3b heavily03:59
boogerbut I have kde03:59
boogertwo days03:59
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PenguinBoywhat distro before?04:00
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PenguinBoyme SuSE 9.004:00
boogerlove it but installing it takes a while...04:00
PenguinBoyi LOVE Ubuntu!04:00
boogerI keep hearing good things about Suse04:00
PenguinBoythis apt-get is amazing04:00
PenguinBoySuSE is nice!04:00
boogeryes, RPM hell is not a nice place to be04:00
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phosphorgreenany idea why this would happen when trying to enable dma? : root@jabba:/media # hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc04:01
phosphorgreen setting using_dma to 1 (on)04:01
phosphorgreen HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted04:01
phosphorgreen using_dma    =  0 (off)04:01
zenwhenIt appears running Ubuntu is going to be impossible on my machine. Configuring a dialup connection is not possible and getting X to work is not possible. For me at least. Both were five minute jobs in Slackware. Anyone configured an Nvidia 6800 or a Dialup modem in Ubuntu?04:01
boogerI chose Ubuntu because it's Debian/apt.deb based and gnome 2.804:01
PenguinBoyme 204:01
Phr0stBytebooger: you might want to check this out: http://burnit.sunsite.dk04:02
boogerIf I could get k3b running, I'd be set04:02
boogerI do love the package system in deb04:02
PenguinBoyis there agnome website similiar to kde-look.org?04:02
boogervery nice and very fast04:02
boogerbut I think art.gnome.org has more04:02
boogerit's no where near as large as it's kde counterpart04:03
PenguinBoyi prefer KDE04:03
PenguinBoydo you think they will be considering including KDE in the bxt Ubuntu release?04:03
boogerI did at first but I've come to love Gnome04:04
PenguinBoyperhaps I will as well04:04
boogerI hear that yoper will be including gnome in a future release04:04
boogerthey say yoper is screaming fast, blazing04:04
boogerbut it's kde only04:04
PenguinBoynever used it04:04
boogerneither have I04:05
boogerWell, I will keep pluging away on getting k3b installed..04:05
PenguinBoyI went from RedHat 7.1 to RedHat 9.0 to Mandrake 9.1 to Fedora Core 1 to Fedora Core 2 to SuSE 9.0 to ubuntu04:05
boogeryou must have some free time on your hands04:06
PenguinBoythat covers 3 years time04:06
boogeryou have a lot more experience than me then04:06
boogermy first distro was Xandros04:06
PenguinBoydid you like it04:07
boogerI wanted to replace a WinNT box at work and make Xan the PDC04:07
boogerit's debian based and rock solid04:07
boogerit's also a turn-key app, at least for the small company I work for04:07
boogerIt's been up and running for almost two years now04:08
boogeracting as a file server and pdc04:08
boogersame here04:08
boogerI gotta run, later04:08
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defendguinonce ubuntu has a final release will it update packages when gnome 2.8.1 and 2.8.2 are released?04:12
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tsenggabe: apt-get build-dep monodevelop will fix04:24
tsenggabe: im not in a rush to fix atm, lot of schoolwork etc04:24
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bubbleshow do I get alsa to be using my audigy2 instead of my onboard audio-card?04:31
alexgAnyone have any ideas on how to get DMA working on my IDE devices?  The proper modules are loaded (Specifically, via82cxxx), but sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc says the op is not allowed.04:31
joemtseng, etc=watching ATHF04:31
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alexglspci gives some stuff like "0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 0282" that I think is indicative of whatever the problem is.04:32
alexgBut aside from making sure the proper IDE module is loaded, I don't know what else to do.04:32
t35t0ralexg, what's the mobo04:32
alexgAsus A8V.04:32
alexgIt worked under Gentoo.04:32
t35t0rit should work ..04:33
alexgAll I had to do was make sure via82cxxx was in and I was golden.04:33
t35t0rare you sure it's /dev/hdc ?04:33
alexgThe only other /dev/hdX in my machine is hda.04:33
alexgIt's my dvd burner.04:33
alexgNeither has DMA on.04:33
t35t0rhehe you're primary is the dvd burner04:33
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t35t0rhda should be hdd04:34
t35t0rhdb could be a optical drive04:34
alexgIt was that way in my old box (which I didn't put together) and in this one (which I did).04:34
alexgThe letters don't matter to me.04:34
alexgDMA matters.04:34
t35t0rthat's a strange configuration ..computers don't like being thrown curve balls04:35
alexgIt worked just fine for years on the old machine.04:35
alexgIt's worked just fine for the few months I've had the new one.04:35
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t35t0runless its diskless04:36
alexgIn any case, this isn't helping me figure out why it's not allowing me to turn on DMA despite via82cxxx being loaded.04:36
t35t0rit might not use that ide controller04:36
t35t0rlspci | grep IDE04:36
t35t0rusually it will tell you the IDE04:37
alexg0000:00:0f.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)04:37
alexgLIke I said.04:37
alexgThe right module is in.04:37
alexgI swear to you.04:37
t35t0rya but you were talking about "0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 0282" that I think is indicative of whatever the problem is.04:37
t35t0rthat is not your IDE controller04:37
t35t0rthat's probably the WIFI controller04:37
t35t0rfor wifi upgrade04:37
alexgThat makes sense.04:38
t35t0rif i had to guess04:38
alexgBut that it recognizes the IDE controller just makes it all stranger.04:38
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alexgBut sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc (or /dev/hda) still leads to HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted04:38
t35t0ralexg, are you sure your IDE cable going into the drive can support DMA?04:38
alexgI've used DMA on both those devices in the past.04:39
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t35t0rlsmod | grep via04:39
alexgWith Gentoo it Just Worked (assuming I had via82cxxx compiled in).04:39
alexgALSA modules, via82cxxx              14256  1, ide modules, sata modules.04:39
t35t0rare you sure its enabled in the bios? 04:39
alexgI haven't messed with the BIOS in weeks.04:39
alexgThat might be something to check though.04:40
t35t0rcheck it first04:40
t35t0rhdc means first device on secondary controller ?04:40
t35t0ris that where yours is ?04:40
bubblesanyone tell me how I can get read-write priveledges to my vfat partition?04:41
t35t0ralexg: grep DMA /boot/config-<tab>04:42
t35t0rCONFIG_BLK_DEV_ADMA100=m (or y)04:43
t35t0rCONFIG_SCSI_EATA_DMA=m (or y)04:44
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alexgJust CONFIG_BLK_DEV_ADMA=y04:44
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alexgIDEDMA_AUTO is there.04:44
t35t0rwell that was from a 2.4.22 kernel04:44
wartyGuess who needs some help04:44
wartywhy wont my name change04:44
alexgThis is the that comes with Ubuntu.04:44
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JaymzRRthere we go04:44
alexgSCSI DMA is in.04:44
t35t0ri don't have a 2.6 machine i can look at 04:45
alexgBut my Sata drives aren't the problem (they're fine).04:45
alexgJust these two IDE devices.04:45
JaymzRRwho wants to help poor me?04:45
partiallyanyone know why my SATA drive will not mount at boot, but if i run "mount -a" after linux has started, they mount fine04:45
socommJaymzRR, just ask.04:45
JaymzRRIm just starting out with Ubuntu as my first Linux04:45
socommAsk, and ye shall receivie.04:45
JaymzRRwell I cant get anything installed for one lol04:45
t35t0rCONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82CXXX=m or y ?04:45
partiallyJaymzRR: whats the problem: specifics04:46
t35t0rhe's not root04:46
t35t0rhe doesn't know what root is04:46
socommJaymzRR, to install software you'll need to use the `sudo' command.04:46
partiallyyou can use "sudo su" to get a root terminal04:47
socommJaymzRR, for instance `sudo make install' or `sudo apt-get install something'04:47
socommpartially, Ubuntu is rootless, don't think you can really su.04:47
partiallysudo su works :p04:47
partiallysu alone does not though04:47
t35t0rsudo /bin/bash ?04:48
t35t0ris there an /etc/sudoers ?04:48
socommt35t0r, yes.04:48
JaymzRRwait so like how would I go about installing AIM04:48
t35t0ralexg: dmesg | grep VIA04:48
Lathiatpartially: that is intentionally04:48
socommJaymzRR, run `gaim'04:49
Lathiatpartially: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.572265367704:49
partiallyLathiat: I know, but i like the ability to get a root terminal when i am installing a bunch of software or what not04:49
t35t0ralexg: or dmesg | grep VT04:50
HrdwrBoBpartially: sudo -s04:50
t35t0ralexg: or dmesg | grep vt04:50
t35t0ralexg: or dmesg | grep via04:50
Lathiatpartially: Which you can do by typing sudo su04:50
Lathiatif you want to set a root password you can, it tells you how in that aticle04:51
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vegetaxhi,just a curiosity04:53
vegetaxwhat editor/ide ubunto hackers use to code python?04:54
gabbmananyone know a source for gnomesword debs ?04:54
khronicdamn totem...wont let me view my pr0n04:54
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skreetIf I have a sata onboard (sda) using as my primary drive, a RAID card with 2 sata drives, and an external USB drive, how do I know which sd* is which? Also, is there a way to mount a RAID 0 array?04:56
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SkreetGuess not, eh? :)04:58
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LathiatSkreet: heh05:00
LathiatSkreet: well you could look in the device manager05:00
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Lathiatas for the raid card, it depends on the chipset and whether that particular one in supported05:00
Lathiatif you can tell em the model/chipset i might be able to tell you05:00
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alexgt35t0r: Distracted.  Will get to it in a moment.05:02
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LathiatCan someone run gst-launch-0.8 videotestsrc ! smpte ! xvimagesink for me and tell me if it works? just wondering if its a problem here or the current gstreamer packages in ubuntu05:06
ranmanlathiat: stay away from gstreamer.. never got it to work, on any linux...05:07
Lathiatranman: I think not :)05:08
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Lathiatthanks for the heads up but it works fine for me05:08
Lathiatplayback issues for some formats aside, but thats because they are still in development05:09
Lathiatif you want to watch movies right now its probably better to use mplayer or something but otherwise gstreamer is pretty funky05:09
HrdwrBoBgstreamer is very cool05:09
Lathiatit is05:09
Lathiatsome of the plugins rock05:10
Lathiatvideotestsrc ! ffmpegcolorspace ! agingTV ! ffmpegcolorspace ! xvimagesink is cool05:10
Lathiatusing that for a media assignment im doing, wnated an older looking video05:10
Lathiatits perfect :)05:10
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alexgt35t0r: VP_IDE: VIA vt8237 (rev 00) IDE UDMA133 controller on pci0000:00:0f.1 for dmesg | grep vt05:21
t35t0ranything for dmesg | grep VIA or dmesg | grep via ?05:21
t35t0rlook at the entire dmesg output for errors05:22
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alexgYeah, I am.  O] ne sec.05:24
t35t0rdmesg | more might help05:24
alexgdmesg | grep via doesn't put out anything IDE related.05:24
alexgJust some sata and ALSA stuff.05:24
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alexgdmesg | less.  Less is more.  Only better.05:24
t35t0rhehe whatever05:24
alexgI'd already done that earlier today.05:25
alexgNothing suspicious other than the "Hey, I'm using PIO" message.05:25
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zenwhenWell, I failed completely to ever get a dialup connection in Ubuntu. At some point it even stopped being able to communicate witht he modem.05:26
zenwhenI even reinstalled and it couldnt.05:26
zenwhenYet Im using it in Slackware right now.05:26
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sp_connect #haiku05:41
HrdwrBoBsp_: wtf are you trying to do?05:41
HrdwrBoBI think you want /join #haiku05:41
HrdwrBoB.. ok05:41
zenwhenWell, I failed completely to ever get a dialup connection in Ubuntu. At some point it even stopped being able to communicate with the modem. Anyone have any info?05:42
HrdwrBoBzenwhen: tried wvdial?05:43
zenwhenits not installed05:43
zenwhenDont know how I would instlal it without an internet connection05:44
HrdwrBoBit's not?05:44
HrdwrBoBit was when I installed the daily from 3 days ag05:44
zenwhenwell i dont ahve the daily05:45
zenwhenI have whatever I downloaded05:45
zenwhenThat took me a week05:45
bob2"doesn't work"?05:45
bob2what do your logs say?05:45
zenwhenIt varies.05:45
bob2does the modem make noise?05:45
zenwhenSometimes yes.05:45
zenwhenAt this point no.05:45
bob2what command are you using to start it?05:46
zenwhenIt just stopped working altogther.05:46
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zenwhenBefore it just failed to handshake.05:46
bob2what have you changed since it last worked?05:47
zenwhenI rebooted05:49
zenwhenThe node for ppp was gone05:49
zenwhenI had to recreate it05:49
zenwhenit never worked again05:49
bob2you don't need to create it05:50
danielshow did you create it?05:50
daniels'sudo mknod /dev/ppp c 108 0'?05:50
zenwhenYes I did need to create it05:50
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zenwhenI was told that I HAD to when I tried to execut PON05:50
danielsbut if you created it wrongly, that can destroy ppp's ability to work05:50
bob2doesn't the ppp module create it?05:50
zenwhenI cretaed it how ubuntu told me to05:51
danielsbob2: it does now. his install is out of date, remember?05:51
zenwhenI wish it did05:51
danielszenwhen: what does ls -l /dev/ppp say?05:51
danielszenwhen: it does now, the bug was fixed a couple of days ago05:51
zenwhenThe heck if I know. Im inslackware. I couldnt talk to you if I was in ubuntu.05:51
zenwhenWell Ill have to wait for the oficcial release.05:51
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Lathiathey daniels 05:52
fabbionemorning guys05:55
Lathiathey fabbione 05:55
fabbionehey Lathiat 05:55
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evilmegamanI just have a general question05:55
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evilmegamanDoes Ubuntu have an easy installer? Like it's not all command prompt like gentoo is it?05:56
LathiatIs there anythign special i have to do for a proper ubuntu package vs debian package05:56
Lathiatextra flags in the control file or anything?05:56
bob2evilmegaman: it asks about 6 questions05:56
theantixevilmegaman, it's not pretty and graphical, but easy05:56
alexgGentoo gets by on good docs.  Ubuntu doesn't make you build the whole thing yourself.  It asks some questions.05:56
alexgBut not many.05:56
Lathiati noticed some origin: Ubuntu and stuff in apt-cache shwo of some packages05:56
evilmegamanwow :) I don't expect pretty with linux05:56
bob2Lathiat: that's so the bug reports go to the right place05:56
bob2for people using reportbug, at least05:56
Lathiatbob2: ahh05:56
LathiatJust im building some packages wondering if theres anything i should change?05:57
Lathiati noticed the init script stuff05:57
theantixevilmegaman, when you've install it, you'll find LOTS of pretty :-)05:57
evilmegamanOh and I can partition with it right? like make some partitions out of unallocated space or do I do I do that before I use the installation disc?05:57
HrdwrBoBevilmegaman: yes you can do that05:57
evilmegamanOk :)05:57
evilmegamanawesome :D05:57
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evilmegaman11 GB's enough for the install right?05:58
fabbioneevilmegaman: 2 GB are more than ok05:58
fabbione11 GB you can play a lot ;)05:58
evilmegamanOh ok :)05:58
WsquaredIs there a gnome equivalent of the program kile? (An integrated Latex environment)05:59
evilmegamanshould I have downloaded the the live CD or the warty CD?05:59
bob2evilmegaman: warty.06:00
bob2assuming you want to install it.06:00
evilmegamanalright cool :)06:00
WsquaredI guess I'll give kile a try... but I think this is the first intrusion of kstuff into my Ubuntu system.06:03
theantixanyone know if the live CD (on umn.edu dated oct 2) usable now?06:03
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acfso, guys, get this06:14
acfi want to mount some /dev/hd____ partitions from inside vmware. which i can do just fine, using mount and all. no big deal. works great. or almost great...06:14
acfi have to run mknod on each boot (i'm sure there's a way around this, i'll get to that soon)....06:15
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acfbut the real issue is that i can't run mount on any partitions until after i run fdisk on the drive06:15
acfi don't have to *do* anything in fdisk06:15
acfi can just ctrl-c06:15
bob2that's a vmware bug, almost certainly06:15
crimsunwhat version of vmware workstation are you using?06:15
acfbut otherwise, it says something like "mount: /dev/hda4 special device not present" or something06:16
crimsuni was using ubuntu in workstation 4.5.2 with no problems06:16
bob2a friend of mine installed ok with 4.5.2, too06:16
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acfthe only other real thing i'm having is that it thinks single clicks are double-clicks06:16
acfbut other than that, yeah, it's good06:16
crimsunhave you installed vmware-tools or whatnot?06:17
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crimsunthat greatly improved performance for me06:17
ishWhich package contains man pages for fork(2), etc...06:17
crimsunmanpages-dev: /usr/share/man/man2/fork.2.gz06:17
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toyowheelinhello all06:18
acfnope. i gave it a quick go the other night, but it didn't like the default kernel06:18
acfhaven't messed with it since. i'll do that now.06:18
crimsunish: manpages-dev06:18
q2GKrellm is the shiznet n*gga!06:19
crimsunnp, ish.06:19
ishhey, there's some python gurus in here right?06:19
toyowheelinI need a pptp guru06:20
toyowheelindhcp on my pptp server aint working right or somethin06:20
bob2q2: language please.06:20
q2bob2, i used a *06:20
q2im a windows guru!06:21
toyowheelinif we had ops you would have got booted prolly06:21
bob2q2: that's nice, but please don't do it again06:21
bob2toyowheelin: there are ops, but kicks are a measure of last resort06:21
q2bob2, QAuit hatin06:21
toyowheelinOIC bob206:22
bob2q2: please?06:22
q2bob2, pl3ase quit hatin'!06:22
sriI'm having a bit of a problem..06:23
sriI'm trying to install rhythmbox but running to some issues06:23
Lathiatrhythmbox is installed by default afaik06:24
Lathiatit was for me06:24
alexgIt is.06:24
srio directories in update-desktop-database search path could be processed and updated.06:24
alexgI heart rhythmbox.06:24
bob2it is indeed.06:24
sridpkg: error processing desktop-file-utils (--configure):06:24
srihow do I fix that?06:24
sri subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 106:24
acfactually, does one know off-hand how i can make my /dev/hd entries i create with mknod stick around after a reboot?06:24
bob2sri: this is during a fresh install?06:24
srithis is during a dist-upgrade06:24
bob2from sid?06:24
Lathiatacf: You have to create them again, what nodes are you creating, /dev/hdwhat?06:24
sriI have this problem with file-roller, rhythmbox, totem-gstreamer, and desktop-file-utils06:24
sribob2: no, these are ubuntu pckages06:25
Lathiatacf: they should be created automagically06:25
acfLathiat: hda, hdc, and hdd06:25
srithis is a fresh ubuntu install, but I've been upgrading/dist-upgrading practically everyday06:25
bob2sri: the bug's not in the bug tracking system yet?06:25
sribob2: I haven't checcked :/06:26
sribob2: I really thought it was just something unique to me.06:26
joemacf, that might be something for udev.rules06:26
Lathiatacf: They should all be created06:26
Lathiatacf: Any idea why they arent?06:26
acfLathiat: maybe vmware-related?06:27
Lathiatacf: You running it inside a vmware?06:27
acfare devices created at boot now? i'm used to a static /dev06:27
Lathiatyeh devices are created at boot06:27
Lathiatno static /dev06:27
Lathiatand only the devices needed are created06:27
acfwhat sort of nonsense is that? :)06:27
Lathiatand they come/go as modules are loaded/unloaded06:27
Lathiatits brilliant :)06:27
alexgUdev is great.06:28
alexgUbuntu's /dev isn't static.06:28
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alexgNice and small (relative to static /dev)06:28
evilmegamanI need some help06:28
Lathiatevilmegaman: fire away06:28
evilmegamanNo linux is recognizing my CD rom drive all of a sudden. it was working fine a few hours ago...06:28
bob2check your cables06:29
evilmegamanwhy can't anything find a recognizable cdrom drive?06:29
evilmegamanBut I just burned a cd with it on windows o_O06:29
sribob2: I haven't seen anything bugzilla regarding package installs..06:29
Lathiatevilmegaman: hrmm, can you run dmesg|grep hd and paste it to me in private?06:30
t35t0revilmegaman, cat /proc/bus/ide/devices06:30
evilmegamanumm I am in windows. I would have to reboot and ok testor where do I put that command?06:30
sribob2: I'm using apt-get, not aptitude06:30
evilmegamanI am in the install CD where it's all happening06:31
bob2sri: that won't affect that bug06:31
t35t0revilmegaman, sorry ls -l /proc/ide06:31
acfwhat package has the kernel headers for the stock kernel?06:31
sribob2: is it in fact a bug?06:31
evilmegamanwhere do I do it t35t0r?06:31
bob2sri: if packages fail to install, it's a bug06:31
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sribob2: okay06:31
t35t0revilmegaman, in a shell06:31
evilmegamanoh is there a shell in the ubuntu installer?06:32
bob2evilmegaman: alt-f206:32
evilmegamanCuz I deleted my linux installer. and ok :)06:32
sribob2: even if I remove the package and try to install it, it gives me "No directories in update-desktop-database search path could be processed and updated"06:32
evilmegamanI will come back here on my other box and tell you what I see brb06:32
Lathiatevilmegaman: alt+f2, hit enter06:33
t35t0rheh hopeless06:33
sribob2: the problem is with update-desktop-database script06:33
t35t0rpeople need to learn how to be very very specific06:33
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sribob2: it's not ubuntu it's me06:34
bob2how so?06:34
sriupdate-desktop-database is looking to create /usr/gnome2/share/applications which does not exist06:34
sriwhen I upgraded to ubuntu, my home partition migrated itself over06:35
sribut I did not remove .gnome2 or gconf area06:35
sriso it's remembering my old prefix06:35
bob2er, no linux distro includes /usr/gnome206:35
sribecause I built /usr/gnome2 from source in that prefix before upgrading06:35
Lathiatbob2: yeh but a source or cvs built one would06:35
Lathiatsri: well, you could blow away all your settings :)06:36
bob2no, that's still a bad place 06:36
sribob2: so I need to fix it by either removing .gnome2/gconf or do something else.06:36
Lathiatwhy would the apt-get stuff be using yoru personal gconf?06:36
Lathiatthe post inst scripts are like run as root, not you06:36
bob2that is a very good question06:36
Lathiatdid you upgrade over the top of your existing install?06:36
Lathiator fresh partition?06:36
crimsunhe migrated to ubuntu.06:36
Lathiat"migrated" as in installed over the top?06:37
Lathiatfark i broke my usb06:37
crimsunthat's my assumption, but...06:37
sriLathiat: the /usr, / are all fresh partitions06:37
Lathiatdamn unplugging usb storage while its still mounted with file handles open06:37
Lathiatsri: thats most odd then06:37
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Lathiatperhaps try moving your gconf out of the way termporarily06:37
Lathiatand then try upgrading again?06:38
Lathiatcus i doubt its that06:38
Lathiatmove yoru whole homedir out of the way06:38
Lathiatyou could try do a reinstall and then move all your files accross and leave your settings behind06:38
srinope still doing it06:38
Lathiatif its an issue06:38
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Lathiatprobably the quickest way to fix it06:38
evilmegamanStill nothing06:38
sriI think I'll just blvow away everything06:38
Lathiatotherwise we could be here all afternoon playing with things06:38
srithats probably better06:38
Lathiatsri: are you certain thats the problem?06:38
srihate to lose my evo stuff though.06:38
acfyou guys rule06:38
evilmegamanWhat should I do to make it recognize the cdrom drive?06:39
Lathiatsri: well you could save that stuff06:39
crimsunjust back it up, sri.06:39
sriwell, as bob2 said, nobody uses /usr/gnome2 as aprefix for gnome06:39
crimsuni'm slowly migrating my sid machine to ubuntu06:39
sriand I know I used it for debian sid 06:39
Lathiatsri: thats not the problem06:39
Lathiatyou can use whatever prefix you want06:39
Lathiatit wouldnt have mattered06:39
evilmegamancuz Now I found it saying no drivers for it when there IS in fact a driver for my cd rom drive because it worked peachy before06:39
Lathiatim not sure the problem is related to that06:39
sribut when I use the update-desktop-database -v it fails06:39
Lathiatevilmegaman: can you dmesg|grep hd and paste to me in private?06:40
Lathiatsri: does it state specifically its looking in /usr/gnome2?06:40
Lathiati mean you could06:40
Lathiatmkdir /usr/gnome206:40
Lathiatcd /usr/gnome206:40
Lathiatln -s ../* .06:40
sriit says "No directories in update-desktop-database search path could be processed and updated"06:40
Lathiatbut thats evil :)06:40
sriyeah, too evil06:40
Lathiatpaste 'export' to me?06:40
q2hmmm, 128Bit proccessor, neet06:40
sri but when I use it with -v it tells me could not create cache file in directory /usr/gnome2/share/applications06:40
Lathiat(in private)06:40
Lathiator in email to ubuntu@lathiat-spam.bur.st06:41
Lathiatdont remove the spam its supposed to be there :)06:41
sriLathiat: yeah, let me email it to you.06:41
bob2grep -r usr/gnome2 /06:41
srishit I wonder if  it's getting it from my PATH06:41
q2Im gonna buy one of these, they are 128Bit Proc computers, 100% compatable with 64bit proc Linux Distros06:41
evilmegamanI can dmesg06:41
Lathiatbob2: eww :P06:41
sribob2: /usr/gnome2 doesn't exist anymore06:41
Lathiatsri: thats what i was thinking06:41
bob2there you go06:41
evilmegamandmesg|grep hd in Ubuntu install cd?06:41
Lathiatsri: export|grep /usr/gnome2 i guess06:41
Lathiator just send me the whole thing06:42
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Lathiatevilmegaman: no in your actual install06:42
sriokay, I have XDG_06:42
bob2sri: yes, that looks for mentions of that path so you can find out what's referencing it06:42
evilmegamanbut I don't have one :(06:42
punkasswhats the min requirements for ubuntu?06:42
bob2punkass: depends what you want to do.06:42
Lathiatpunkass: Well im running on on my p266 with 192mb ram fine06:42
bob2punkass: 486 with 32MB of ram is enough06:42
Lathiatsri: unset all thsoe adn try it again06:42
LathiatXDG_DATA_stuff probably isnt helping06:42
evilmegamanbecause I can't install because the cd won't work06:42
punkassreplace win95 on a old 166 for my pops06:42
srithats it..06:42
Lathiaterr dont unset PATH06:42
Lathiatjsut remove that bit from the path :P06:42
bob2q2: erm, you know you're being scammed, right?06:42
sriyeah, I won't :)06:42
crimsunpunkass: as long as it has 32 MB RAM or more, it's fine06:43
punkassi was thinking ubuntu with Xfce06:43
crimsunjust make sure you create a swap partition asap06:43
toyowheelinlol q2 is just tring to gather attention06:43
q2bob2, no im not.  its a long story, but ive used one06:43
punkassoh really? ok cool ill have to check06:43
bob2punkass: gnome2.8 probably be far slower than win95.06:43
Lathiatpunkass: what graphics card does it have?06:43
bob2punkass: ah06:43
punkasslol no idea06:43
bob2q2: right, you're a decade ahead of everyone else in this room.06:43
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q2bob2, im joking06:43
crimsunpunkass: xfce4 should run decently06:44
toyowheelinq2 are you like 10 years old?06:44
crimsunpunkass: 4.0.5-1 is in universe06:44
punkasscrimsun..is it in universe?06:44
punkasslol thanks06:44
Lathiatpunkass: what graphics chipset is it?06:44
srithere we go..06:44
punkassLathiat, not sure yet06:44
Lathiathelps to have somethign that supports the render stuff with gtk206:44
srithat worked somehwat06:44
Lathiatotherwise it sucks a bit06:44
Lathiatlike *cogh* s306:44
q2toyowheelin, you dont know me06:44
evilmegamancan anyone help me?06:44
Lathiatsri: :) get those out of your bashrc or whatever :)06:44
sriI believe it's with XDG_DATA_DIRS06:44
toyowheelinq2 you act really immature06:44
Lathiatthats what i thought06:44
q2toyowheelin, have you ever met me? no.... then shutup06:45
Lathiatbob2: screw 128bit in a decade, quantum computing :)06:45
evilmegamanBecause I can't install anything since my cd rom isn't working right.. linux won't recognize it O_o06:45
Lathiatgo qubuits06:45
Lathiatevilmegaman: Well if youd paste me the stuff ive asked you for06:45
toyowheelinlol q2 thankyou for proveing my point06:45
Lathiati might be able to help06:45
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evilmegamanBut I can't!!!06:46
evilmegamanI don't have linux!06:46
Lathiatouch the gnome develoeprs guide is $8006:46
evilmegamanI deleted it so I can get ubuntu >.<06:46
Lathiatthe mono one is $50 tho i should get that06:46
q2toyowheelin, i dont see the relevance to this channel?06:46
Lathiatevilmegaman: ok do it in the installer then06:46
bob2evilmegaman: from the installer.06:46
evilmegamanor anything I even tried mandrake06:46
q2i mean of what your syaing06:46
toyowheelinq2 than leave06:46
Lathiatevilmegaman: theres a shell on the second VT (alt+f2)06:46
q2toyowheelin, no, i use Ubuntu06:46
bob2toyowheelin: q2 immature or not, this is off-topic. thanks.06:46
evilmegamanBut I put dmesg|grep hd and nothing happened06:47
Treenaksevilmegaman: where did you put that?06:47
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evilmegamanin the install CD's shell06:48
Treenaksthat's weird06:49
evilmegamanI will try again06:49
Lathiatevilmegaman: oh wait have you gone through the first few steps of the install?06:49
Lathiatthey wont come up until youve gone through the initial bit up until it wants the cd06:50
toyowheelinwell anyhow its late I am tired and going to bed, night all06:50
Lathiatnight toyowheelin 06:50
sriit seems like rhythmbox is buggy06:52
evilmegamanI tried but it didn't work06:52
evilmegamanand It won't get any farther than it has gone06:53
evilmegamanso I guess I am out of luck...06:53
Lathiatsri: whats wrong with it06:53
Lathiatevilmegaman: hmm06:53
bob2evilmegaman: ask on the ubuntu-users list.06:53
Lathiatevilmegaman: thats really odd06:53
Lathiatevilmegaman: What kind of computer is it06:53
srisegfaults when trying to import /home/sri06:54
sriI've seen this before06:54
evilmegamanI think I know what happened06:54
sriit spews some debug stuff when run from cli06:54
Lathiatsri: hrm thats odd06:54
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Lathiatsri: paste in privmsg?06:54
Lathiatcould be a gstreamer bug06:54
Lathiattry to only import a folder with music files...06:54
sriLathiat: yeah thats possible06:54
sriLathiat: yeah, thats probably what it is06:55
bob2this privmsg thing makes it hard for !lathiat people to help06:55
Lathiatgstreamer is still a bit rocky06:55
sriLathiat: I've had that before06:55
Lathiatand it tries to figure file types out in a file(1) style06:55
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bob2evilmegaman: and you have not changed your config, at all since it last worked?06:55
evilmegamanugh I will to figure it out tomorrow. good night06:55
evilmegamanI dunno06:55
evilmegamanI deleted my linux partition.06:55
bob2nothing else?06:55
evilmegamanI tried to install gentoo but screwed up so I deleted the partition06:56
Lathiatevilmegaman: What kind of computer is it?06:56
Lathiatlike is it a scsi cdrom or something?06:56
evilmegamanOh I dunno06:57
evilmegamanI think it's scsi06:57
bob2you don't know?06:57
bob2if you don't know, it's IDE.06:57
Lathiatevilmegaman: does it come up in the bios at boot?06:57
evilmegamanI g2g. mom's beotching so gotta go. sorry oh and my bios won't start up o_O seeya06:57
LathiatOK cya06:58
Lathiatbios wont startup? heh06:58
ranmanI think that evilmegaman's mom cut the power cord..06:58
t35t0rdamn kiddies07:01
t35t0rrelegate them to winxp07:02
t35t0rnix isn't for everyone07:03
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ficusplanetDoes anyone know of a way to connect to an Appleshare (afp://URL) server in Linux?07:15
Lathiattheres some appletalkish stuff i think07:16
ficusplanetDo you have a URL maybe?07:16
Lathiatjust looking07:17
Lathiattry that07:17
ficusplanetAwesome.  Thanks a lot.07:18
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alka_trashhello all07:20
alka_trashI have been reading some reviews of ubuntu and currently downloading it, It sounds like a nice desktop OS07:21
LathiatI like it :)07:21
alka_trashso updates come out every 6months?07:21
crimsunentirely new updates, yes.07:22
crimsunthe repo itself is very active07:22
alka_trashso per package updates a whenever07:22
crimsunsome packages go through multiple updates daily07:23
crimsunit's busier than Sid, it seems ;)07:23
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alka_trashI wish I could just change my apt sources and do a distro upgrade07:23
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crimsunyou can, but it's not quite that simple07:23
alka_trashhe he07:23
Lathiatalka_trash: you sortof can, if your willing to mess around07:23
crimsunand it takes a bit of mangling07:23
Lathiatif your not what id call an experienced idea probably not the best idea07:23
alka_trashI need to backup first07:23
Lathiat*experience user*07:23
Lathiatrather :P07:24
Lathiatwow backups, must be like an uber geek :P07:24
crimsuni'm using pinning to migrate sid->ubuntu slowly07:24
alka_trashreally 07:24
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alka_trashlots of hack'n slash involved?07:24
LathiatOnly wimps use tape backup: real men just upload their07:24
crimsunwill probably have a fully converted ubuntu from sid in a month07:24
Lathiat"important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it"07:25
crimsunLathiat :)07:25
crimsunalka_trash: not really07:25
Lathiat"Only wimps use tape backup: real men just upload their07:25
Lathiatimportant stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it."07:25
crimsunjust patience07:25
Lathiatoh it did paste07:25
alka_trashLathiat: show me the way07:25
Lathiatthe way to what?07:26
alka_trashto gradually switch07:26
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alka_trashto ubuntu07:26
LathiatI have no idea07:26
Lathiati jsut installed fresh07:26
Lathiatbacked up my homedir07:26
alka_trashsh!t, that's what i'll do to then07:26
Lathiattaking me a while to get everything setup right but its not bad now07:27
alka_trashis there cd burning software included on this distro  ( cdroast? )07:27
Lathiatyeh nautilus does it07:28
Lathiattheres no application as such07:28
alka_trashI'll have to give nautilus a spin then07:28
Lathiatbut nautilus burns isos and creates cds with files via dag and drop07:28
Lathiatnautilus is the gnome file manager07:29
Lathiatyou canright click an iso and tell it to burn it07:29
Lathiator goto the cd creater, copy/dragdrop files in and burn that07:29
ficusplanetAnd rythmbox and muine have cd burning patches available for music.07:29
alka_trashThanks, I'm going to go play Fools ball and drink beer while ubuntu is downloading  07:31
Lathiati want beer07:31
Lathiatsend me some :)07:31
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togsdoes anybody here use a microphone at all?07:41
Lathiatyeh i do07:41
LathiatDamnit I wish more debian packages would use the upstream tarball style rather than debian/s in the source dir07:41
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togsi'm getting a horrible screeching noise through the headset; know what that is?07:42
Lathiattogs: Possibly feedback?07:42
LathiatYou could turn your microphone off in the mixer07:42
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togsok, one sec07:43
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Lathiatdaniels: about?07:44
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togswhat chat client do you use, Lathiat?07:54
Lathiatits text-based07:55
HrdwrBoBand incredibly cool07:56
Lathiatit rocks07:57
Lathiatbetter than xchat and crap07:57
Lathiati ahte xchat07:57
Lathiatit wont be better than squaa when i finish it tho :)07:57
danielsLathiat: sup?07:58
Lathiati forget now08:00
Lathiatoh thats right08:00
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Lathiattrying to get the dbus package to build me a libdbus-cil, will adding the apopritate control and debian/ files do the trick?08:00
Lathiator is that work alread done somewhere?08:00
crimsunmight want to ask in #debian-mono08:02
crimsuni don't think it has been done already08:03
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danielsLathiat: yeah, you need control, debian/*.install, and --enable-mono or whatever to be added to the ./configure line in debian/rules08:03
danielsactually, wait08:03
Lathiatyeh thats what i was doing08:03
danielsthere's a patch in the debian bts08:03
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crimsunoh cool08:03
Lathiatsave me the effort then08:03
Lathiatwant to get beagle and friends going08:03
Lathiatsomeone built most of the other stuff for warty08:04
danielsyeah, I'll probably put dbus+mono builds up for warty at some stage08:04
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Lathiati might make an archive with all the mono stuff and associated cool projects08:07
Lathiatif i have enough spare time next week08:07
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crimsunisn't tseng already doing that? :p08:08
Lathiatsup tseng 08:08
Lathiatis he?08:08
tsengyeah no kidding08:08
tseng6,001 -user posts later08:08
Lathiatoh yeh i think i got your stuff installed08:08
tsengwhere is teh mono!!!!/1?08:08
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Lathiatare you getsweaaa.com?08:09
Lathiatright, yes i have all your mono stuff installed heh08:09
Lathiatthanks :)08:09
Lathiatbut may i point out08:09
Lathiatyour missing a dep on libgtksourceview-cil08:09
Lathiaton monodevelop08:09
tsengi know08:09
tsenghave a patch?08:09
Lathiatyeh i could spin you one08:09
Lathiatwhats the source packagename?08:09
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tsengit should also have libgtk-cil libgnome-cil etc I believe08:09
Lathiatooh apt resolves it for you08:09
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tsengand a few others possibly08:10
Lathiati thought it pulled those in08:10
tsengtry it clean08:10
tsengit doesnt seem to, i just didnt notice before as I had them all installed08:10
tsengdpkg -i *.deb will do that08:10
Lathiatwant to add my libdbus-cil to your archive? :)08:10
Lathiattseng: i used apt08:10
tsengsend it all.08:10
Lathiatbut i think i probably installed the -cil stuff myself08:10
Lathiatwanting it08:11
tsengor from muine or blam08:11
tsengtry doing it clean and I think youll see it08:11
Lathiatyeh i installed both of those08:11
laydroshas anyone played with ubuntu for ppc much?08:11
tsengmissing assemblies08:11
laydrosafter install, when it trys to boot, it gets a kernel panic because it can't find dev/console08:11
laydrosim thinking it should be looking for /dev/console, not dev/console08:12
Lathiatits in build-depends08:12
tsengLathiat: if you could make a fix for that, thatd rock, i havent gotten motivated in the direction.08:12
Lathiatjust nto in install depends08:12
Lathiatdoing it now :)08:12
tsengtry to figure out what it really needs08:12
tsengthere is also a fix for the missing nermele file08:13
tsengin the New dialog08:13
Lathiatah yeh i noticed that one08:13
Lathiatyou got that fix handy?08:13
Lathiatill integrate it?08:13
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Lathiatp266 :)08:14
tsengoh my!08:14
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Lathiatgetting a new laptop in a couple months08:14
Lathiatmm centrino 1.608:14
tsengyeah mines a 1.508:14
tsengvery nice.08:14
Lathiatif i can convince my aunty to pay a little more than she wanted too anyway08:14
Lathiatlooking at the dell inspiron 510m08:14
Lathiatall the hardware seems to work08:14
tsengmine is dell 600m08:15
Lathiat2.2k with 60GB hdd and dvd burner08:15
Lathiatah i was gonna get one of those08:15
danielsthe X40 is a very, very, very, very, very, very nice laptop.08:15
Lathiatbut they seem to have EOLd them08:15
Lathiatdaniels: and it probably costs more than i can afford? :)08:15
A-L-P-H-Ais the live CD on http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu-cdimage/releases/warty/preview/, warty?08:15
tsengya i shouldve gone with the ibm in hindsite08:15
HrdwrBoBLathiat: $2800 AUD?08:15
danielsi just unpacked all my worldly possessions from the car -- they're all still sitting in the foyer of this place08:15
LathiatHrdwrBoB: im looking at more 2k08:15
tsengdug a little deeper.08:15
danielssince there were two boxes from IBM waiting for me when I got back08:15
Lathiatdaniels: heh of what?08:15
danielsLathiat: the X40, and a couple of extra bits :)08:16
Lathiatoh right08:16
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Lathiat.. one day08:16
tsengholy hell batman, apt-get build-dep gst-plugins08:16
Lathiattseng: i can guess :P08:16
Lathiative been playing with gst08:17
Lathiati love it08:17
tsengyeah im trying the new gst/totem release08:17
tsengsounds promising.08:17
tsengim getting lazy and installing straight from the tarballs08:17
Lathiatcan someone on warty try gst-launch-0.8 videotestsrc ! smpte ! xvimagesink08:17
Lathiatmine wont play08:17
Lathiatworks on my debian sid08:17
tsengis videotestsrc a filename?08:18
Lathiatits a component that creates a video test pattern08:18
tsengERROR: pipeline could not be constructed: no element "videotestsrc".08:18
Lathiatthats odd08:18
tsengwell, i did just blow away my install w/ a source tarball08:19
tsengi forgot so soon08:19
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MithrandirLathiat: it just happens if you're in the right place at the right time. :)08:19
LathiatMithrandir: For what? :)08:20
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MithrandirLathiat: getting employed by one of the linux companies08:20
Lathiatwhys that?08:20
Lathiathere, now?08:20
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Lathiatim tired08:21
Lathiatdidnt read that right08:21
Lathiatignore me :)08:21
MithrandirLathiat: don't look at me, I don't hire people, I'm just a techie. :)08:21
LathiatMithrandir: sorry i misread what you said :)08:21
Lathiatneed sleep :)08:21
Lathiathad exams this week08:21
Lathiatand more tomorrow and next week08:21
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Lathiatthat nemerle patch is b0rked08:24
Lathiatits actually for nemerle rather than MD08:25
tsengoh =/08:25
Lathiatill just ignore that fornow08:25
Lathiatill fix that later when i have more time08:25
tsengi didnt have a chance to look at it yet, sorry08:25
Lathiatseems to be going now08:26
Lathiatsigh i fucked my usb up08:29
Lathiattseng: http://freedesktop.org/~lathiat/warty-monodevelop-depends.diff08:30
Lathiatbuilding a .deb 08:30
Lathiatbut youll probaly want to build your own for security or whatever08:30
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tsengLathiat: neat, thanks08:31
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Lathiati think that should do the trick08:31
Lathiatit seems to want all of them08:31
Lathiatnow onto dbus08:32
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Lathiatand then i can try packaging beagle08:32
Lathiatwhats beagles friends name08:32
Lathiati forget08:32
Lathiatthats the one08:32
tsengthat would be neat.08:33
Lathiatlagging my machine to hell and back :)08:34
RuffianSoldierI just turned a guy onto Ubuntu08:36
laydrosthats much better that what i just did08:36
laydrosi got really confused and tried to turn a guy INTO ubunto08:36
odwa_I am aware that ubuntu uses apt but I was wondering whether there was any better tool provided for package maitanence ?08:36
Treenaksodwa_: better than apt? :)08:37
Treenaksodwa_: if you prefer graphical, you can use synaptic08:37
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Treenaksodwa_: apt-cache and apt-get is all a person needs08:37
laydrosthe only things that i could think of being considered better are pacman or portage08:37
laydrosbut when apt works right, like it does with ubuntu08:37
laydrosits pretty much perfect08:38
odwa_ahh Ill stick with apt I like the text based tools better :)08:38
odwa_thanks 08:38
laydrosbear in mind that using ubuntu is more of a sure thing than normal deb, packages are policed a bit more08:38
odwa_i didnt really mean better I meant anything else :)08:38
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ricochetQuestions.. I just install this distro.  #1, why didnt it ask me for a root password?  what is my root password?  #2, the virtual terms .. I cant make out what they say.  I could in debian. do I need a graphics driver or something?  X works fine.08:41
laydros1: there is no root account by default08:41
laydrosyou use sudo <command foo>08:42
ricochetits in passwd tho?08:42
laydrosthe user account you create08:42
laydrosit will use that password08:42
laydrosor if you run something in the gui that needs root privlagies, it pops up gtksu and asks for password08:42
Mithrandirricochet: if it's not in passwd, a lot of applications freak out.08:42
Mithrandirlaydros: gksudo. :)08:43
laydroswhich will also be the first users passowrd08:43
ricochetMithrandir, as am I08:43
RuffianSoldieri love the sudo08:43
laydrosi knew i had that wrong08:43
laydrosthat was one of my fave things when i first read about ubuntu08:43
laydrosits the way things should be done08:43
Mithrandirricochet: you can enable the root account with "sudo passwd root", if you for some reason want it.08:43
opi^workricochet: if you want to go to terminal, press ALT+CTRL+Fx where x is term numer08:43
laydrosof course slack and deb sho0uld let you setup root 08:43
laydrosbut for a standard desktop distro, it is better with sudo08:44
ricochetopi^work: i know that.  the text is all screwed up08:44
opi^workricochet: oh. hmmm.08:44
opi^workricochet: maybe fb is set to wrong refresh rate?08:44
opi^worksee dmsg08:45
ricochetopi^work, perhaps.  its a laptop08:45
opi^worksee what kind of framebuffer is running08:45
opi^workif it's VESAfb it should go @60Hz08:45
Lathiatricochet: what resolution does it run at08:46
Lathiati can tell you the vga=line for your proper resolution that might make it work08:46
ricochetLathiat, laptop is best at 1400x1050.  lemme check out XFconf..08:46
Lathiathmmthats not a standard res wonder if its in therer08:46
opi^workset it to 800x600 just to be sure08:47
ricochetLathiat, yep it looks like it did that quite well.  its all 1400x105008:47
ricochetLathiat, I'm on the box right now running X. X works fine.  its the virtual terms where I cant read it08:47
Lathiatcould try vga=none08:47
Lathiati think thats the right flag08:47
Lathiatin your bootloader08:47
RuffianSoldiergoodnight fellow Debian lovers08:48
Lathiatim assuming your a more experienced user, if not yell08:48
ricochetLathiat, yes08:48
ricochetLathiat, why wouldnt i have had to do that in debian tho...  ( i didnt)08:48
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opi^workRuffianSoldier: you're quick on your feet ;)08:49
Lathiatnot sure i think debian defaults to no framebuffer depending on your installationmethod08:49
opi^workLathiat: my last Debian instalation got no FB ;)08:49
Lathiati.e. older or newer debian08:49
Lathiatopi^work: mine did08:50
opi^workLathiat: I guess it's depends on HW used while installation08:50
ricochetLathiat, so its just a boot param i gotta tell grub to do?08:50
Lathiatricochet: yeh08:50
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Lathiatneed USB to get my gpg key to sign this package08:50
Lathiatsigh rebootyness08:50
ricochetk, i'll brb then08:50
Lathiatbe back soon08:51
Lathiatheh me too :P08:51
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g0tchawhat educational programs are available for ubuntu and where can i find it ?09:05
LathiatWhat sort of education are you after09:06
Treenaksg0tcha: are you already running ubuntu?09:06
Lathiatg0tcha: theres a variety of educational packages09:06
ricochetlooks like it worked.  is there no KDE package? :(09:07
Lathiatricochet: Not atm09:07
LathiatUbuntu is focussing on GNOME at present however KDE support is being worked on09:07
g0tcha@treenaks how are you linked witht he ubuntu software ?09:07
Treenaksg0tcha: I have an ubuntu system, and I used to be a developer for Debian...09:08
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Lathiatg0tcha: If you tell me what your looking at i can give you some suggestions, otherwise in synaptic just search for education and itl list some for you09:08
ricochetLathiat, is there a problem with me adding a debian source and installing then?09:08
Lathiatricochet: Have you added the universe section in your apt sources?09:08
Lathiatthat has most things youd probably want debian wise09:08
g0tchawell what i am basically looking for is some educational programs for students in a primary school !!!09:09
ricochetnope, what is universe section?  like main, unstable, etc?09:09
ricochetg0tcha, teach them how to use files in linux.  little kids are smart.  I was programming pascal in 5th grade because someone had the nerve to teach programming to 5th graders. :)09:11
Treenaksg0tcha: search for "education" in synaptic, it'll show you a list09:11
Lathiatricochet: universe includes alot of stuff from the debain archives09:11
Lathiatricochet: just edit /etc/apt/sources.list09:11
Lathiattheres a couple lines to uncomment09:11
Lathiatthen they should come in in synaptic09:11
Lathiattheres quite a bit in there09:11
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Lathiata year?09:11
Lathiat2 years?09:11
TreenaksLathiat: you're signing debian packages?09:12
Lathiathmm 3 years sounds good09:12
LathiatTreenaks: not official ones09:13
Lathiatdaniels: well i figure if i lose it.. :P09:14
Lathiatwhich i shouldnt09:14
Lathiatbut **** happens09:14
Lathiati have like 5 keys in keyserver space atm :(09:14
Lathiatfrom when i didnt know too much09:14
Lathiatgpg --send-keys09:14
Lathiathmm, what did that do09:14
Lathiat*wipe linux install*09:14
danielsLathiat: um, that's why you keep a recovation certificate handy09:15
Lathiatyeh i have them now :)09:16
Lathiatnot when i was unenlightened tho, unfortunately09:16
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punkassany vi/reg expression wizards here?09:17
Lathiatnot a wizard but i might be able to help09:17
punkassi have csv file seperated by tabs09:17
punkassi want to merge to columns09:18
Lathiatlike replace one of the tabs?09:18
punkassso really i just want to take out one of the tabs09:18
Lathiatwell you could use the ^v visual selection09:18
Lathiatwhich cuts chunks out rather than lines09:18
Lathiatand then do R (space) (escape)09:18
Treenaksif hotplug does not load the correct driver, is that a hotplug bug or a kernel bug?09:18
punkassits a 60000 line file :)09:18
Lathiathit G?09:19
Lathiat(i.e. goto bottom of file)09:19
punkasshehe i know09:19
punkasshow does viusal selection work?09:19
Lathiatyou just move the arrow keys09:19
Lathiator page down or whatever09:20
Lathiatand the ^V visual selection selects vertical chunks09:20
g0tchais there a document available on howto replace the boot splash or boot logo ?09:20
Lathiatas opposed to v that does lines09:20
Lathiatand V that does whole lines09:20
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punkasshmm well that almost works..but the columns arent all lined up perfectly09:21
punkassso the selection doesnt grab everything09:21
Lathiatthat sucks09:22
Lathiatdont know how to do it the other way sorry :)09:22
punkassok thanks...the Ctrl V thing is good to know anyways.09:22
Treenakspunkass: what do you want to do? remove a column?09:22
Lathiatyeh it is09:22
Lathiati need to learn regex one day09:22
punkassTreenaks: merge 2 columns09:23
punkassin a csv file09:23
Lathiatand when perl6 comes out i think im going to be tempted to be sold from mython09:23
punkasswhen is that supposed to come out?09:24
punkassTreenaks: i have a reg expression to find the two columns...just not sure how to tell it go keep the same data..minus the \t09:24
Treenakspunkass: "soon"09:24
Lathiatpunkass: not for a year+ yet09:24
Lathiatjust listened to a talk on all the call trippy stuff it has09:24
Lathiatlike variables that arent things09:25
Lathiatvariable represents any value that is not 109:25
Lathiatamong many other things09:25
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togswhich php packages are needed for php in apache2? lib-apache2-mod-php4 or just php4? I can't get firefox to display the index.php page09:31
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punkassLathiat: got it!09:36
punkass%s/\([0-9] *\/[0-9] *\/2004\)\t\([0-9] *\:[0-9] *\:[0-9] *\)/\1 \2/g09:36
punkassworks like a hot damn tho :)09:36
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ixupgraded from sarge, but theres still some old non-ubuntu pkgs in apt-cache search. any trick to purge those?09:49
ixlike apt-get dist-clean would be perfect09:50
Lathiatix: have you deleted the lines from /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get updated?09:50
ixyep. perhaps its my imagination that old pkgs are there..09:50
bob2that won't fix it.09:50
Lathiatplus if theres installed stuff itl be there?09:51
Lathiator am i barking up the wrong tree?09:51
ixi dunno, i shold rtfm, my impression is theres some kind of master list of 'installable' packages, which includes old ones. 09:51
ixits just qt3-dev-whatever so i can build my kernel, it seems named differenetly in ubuntu...but i'll stfu until i figure out how everything's cached09:52
calcix: apt-get clean09:52
calcoh nm that isn't what you are asking09:53
Lathiatcalc: oh it keeps an index of whats in there?09:53
Treenaksix: apt-get update09:53
Lathiatitsno :)09:53
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ixlike, this:  libqt3-mt-dev: Depends: xlibs-static-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4) but it is not going to be installed ....is presumably beacuse theres a pkg named that in sarge. but not in ubuntu. i think..09:53
Treenaksix: just make menuconfig instead of xconfig09:53
ixcalc: whats better for amd64, ubuntu, or alioth?09:54
ixin terms of pkg-completeness/whatever09:54
calcix: no idea, i can't install pure64 (alioth) right now09:54
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Lathiatwhats alioth?09:54
calcubuntu still has some interesting issues like not being able to run normal xserver09:54
calcLathiat: debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org09:54
calcLathiat: alioth is the debian gforge server09:54
Lathiatwell thats what i thought09:55
Lathiatwasnt show how it fitted in context with ubuntu09:55
Lathiati see what you meant now :)09:55
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calcthe issue with ubuntu's xserver is that the loader on amd64 is broken (apparently) you can use the xserver-xfree86-dbg though instead09:56
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Lathiatcalc: ah10:02
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LathiatWhat will create a packages file for me to make an aptable source?10:10
Mithrandirapt-ftparchive or dpkg-scanpackages10:10
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deFryskIt seems an improved version of gstreamer has entered fodora ?10:14
deFryskin development10:14
seb128that's an ubuntu channel ...10:14
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seb128not a fedora one10:14
deFryskdevelopers of ubuntu should grab it 10:15
seb128why ?10:15
deFryskgsteamer is default in totem10:15
seb128we are considering it, but pushing new version directly is not good10:15
Mithrandirwe're trying to freeze, grabbing new upstreams at this point is stupid and dangerous.10:15
deFryskand totem could use a better gstreamer10:15
seb128deFrysk: we are in the middle of the freeze, we can't just package all the new versions10:16
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deFryskseb128, too bad , we will have to use xine for a while longer then10:16
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seb128deFrysk: the new release is not a miracle one ...10:17
deFryskI heard gentoo and fedora are very happy with it10:17
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seb128deFrysk: BTW we are considering it, just wait, it has not been release for 12 hours ...10:17
seb128deFrysk: ah ah10:17
seb128deFrysk: sure, they have totally tested it in a few hours10:18
Lathiatmy dbus build failed10:18
deFrysklol, true10:18
Lathiatstupid monodoc10:18
Lathiatwhy is it gtk-doc, monodoc and the likes that *always* break builds10:18
deFryskseb128, I just want a working gstreamr instead of xine10:18
seb128deFrysk: 2 versions of gstreamer have been released yesterday, the first one was bugged10:18
deFryskseb128, so i hope it wil prove to be good10:19
seb128me too10:19
seb128but just wait a day10:19
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seb128so we have time to make good tests before pushing it10:19
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deFryskseb128, I will (fingers crossed)10:19
seb128I don't want to push directly at this point without testing10:19
seb128deFrysk: I'll put package only in about 1 hour, but not directly in warty10:19
plovs_workis there a graphical way to create/mount a nfs-share?10:19
seb128deFrysk: I'll ping you when the packages are ready if you want to test10:20
deFryskseb128, good plan :)10:20
seb128thanks :)10:20
togsis there someone willing to help me with installing php on apache2?10:20
Lathiattogs: easy, apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 apache2-mpm-worker10:20
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togsi'll see if I haven't installed that already10:21
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togsI get an error about broken packages10:25
togswant me to paste the error?10:26
Lathiatin private10:26
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wu_minganyone know how to install a shockwave plugin for ubuntu10:36
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wu_mingfor firefox i mean10:36
Lathiatyou can get it from macromedia10:36
Lathiatthey make a linux installer10:36
vrlnwu_ming: just go to a website that uses flash and there should be a popup window in firefox that "additional plugins are required"10:36
Lathiatdunno about a package tho10:37
Lathiator that10:37
vrlnI installed it that way, all I had to do is say ok twice :)10:37
lauhanenis it normal that after I activated "universe" in /etc/apt/sources.list and tried to installa xmms, zgv, xzgv, none of them installed cos there was HUGE amount of. "X depends on Y, Y seems to be not available?"10:37
wu_mingflash is different to shockwave though10:37
wu_mingi got flash, i need shockwave10:37
vrlnoh sorry, I thought they are the same thing :I then you'll have to get it from the official site I quess10:39
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lauhanenAnyway, if there is somebody who could pass a word to "daily build" of warty wart-hog" maker, yesterdays cd didn't work at alla, I mean it booted and stuff,but there was only ~10 cases in list (starting from "choose language" and last was "reboot", but nothing there..10:41
lauhanenI checked the md5-sums, and it was ok, so the trouble must be in daily snap!10:42
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lauhanenso, anybody knows is it normal that you cant install packages like xmms or zgv from "universe" ?10:43
lauhanenbecause there is helluve amount of broken dependancies10:43
Mithrandirlauhanen: looks happy to do that here.10:43
deFrysklauhanen, I read it has to do with nvidia-drivers or something10:43
Lathiatlauhanen: xmms is in main...10:43
lauhanenno, there for example isnt SVGAlib10:43
Lathiatzgv is in universe10:44
lauhanenit is like "basic" stuff10:44
Lathiatand it installs for me10:44
deFrysklauhanen, YOU USE THE NVIDIA DRIVERS ?10:44
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deFrysksoory caps10:44
lauhanenNo, matrox is in my machine10:44
deFryskwell it does not work on mine either10:44
lauhanenhow to check for nvidia?10:44
deFrysksudo lsmod10:44
deFryskbut otherwise get the gtk2 mediaplayer beep-media-player10:45
Lathiatlauhanen: no svgalib in what?10:45
Lathiator use rhythmbox10:45
lauhanenno there is not nvidia in lsmod10:45
deFryskthythmebox works fine yes10:45
deFrysklauhanen, apt-get bmp and try it10:46
deFryskit uses the same plug-ins as xmms10:46
deFryskits actually an xmms colone almost10:46
lauhanenok, brb10:46
Lathiatit is a fork of xmms10:47
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Lathiatto have gtk2 stuff10:47
Lathiatso its more than just a clone :)10:47
deFryskLathiat, yes10:47
deFryskagree :)10:47
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lauhanendefrysk: there is no packet bmp10:50
Mithrandirbeep-media-player, perhaps?10:50
Lathiatthas the one10:51
lauhanenbut i want to use xmms10:51
Mithrandirit's xmms for gtk210:51
deFryskbeep-media-player 10:52
lauhanenzgv depends on libsvga110:52
lauhanenlibsvga1 does not appear to be available10:52
deFrysklauhanen, you'll like it :) as gnome user10:52
lauhanenthis is the proglem for example10:52
Lathiatlauhanen: works for me..10:53
Mithrandirlauhanen: uhm, what architecture are you on?10:53
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deFrysklauhanen, got universe ?10:53
Lathiatlibsvga1 is in main 10:53
wu_mingi'll like any media player if it lets me edit the id3tag10:53
Lathiat *** 1:1.4.3-17ubuntu1 010:53
Lathiat        500 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages10:53
Lathiat        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status10:53
lauhanenI've tried to install xmms, zgv and gmplayer. none of them succeeded.. :-(10:53
wu_mingbut cant find any that does yet10:53
lauhanenyes, I've universe10:53
deFryskapt-get update perhaps ?10:53
Lathiatlauhanen: did you remove the non-universe source from your apt sources?10:53
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lauhanenyou mean what "non-universe"?10:54
Lathiatdeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe10:54
Lathiatdeb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe10:54
Lathiatis that what you have in your apt.sources?10:54
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davidwwhere's the live CD squirreled away?10:54
miausX_hi! :)10:54
deFryskbmp installed without blinking here10:54
davidwbonus points for quickly summarizing how it's better/different from morphix10:55
lauhanendeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe10:55
lauhanendeb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe10:55
lauhanendeb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted10:55
lauhanendeb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted10:55
lauhanenthese 4 lines without #'s10:55
Lathiattseng: about?10:55
Lathiatlauhanen: ahh10:55
Lathiatthats broken?10:55
Lathiatit is rather10:55
Lathiatno question mark10:55
Lathiatrepalce the first two with the ones i pasted10:55
Lathiati.e. add "main restricted" before universe10:55
lauhanenok... The lines were in current warty-dist!10:56
Lathiatyes but you probably deleted the other lines or somethign and there not the ones i have *shrug*10:56
deFryskooh beep looks nice in ubuntu :)10:57
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miausX_I love Ubuntu... at last... a Debian for all the users (advanced and newbies) ... 12000 deb's!!! Ubuntu ROCKS!! :D10:57
deFryska nice debian skin10:57
Lathiatooh i founda bug in apache2 packages :P10:58
Lathiatyay me10:58
lauhanendefrysk: should I add #'s to "security" lines?10:58
Lathiatsorry, first ubuntu bug ive found :)10:58
Lathiatlauhanen: no10:58
deFrysksecurity is always needed10:59
miausX_hum... I found a bug in firestarter... it crashes all the time on my box :S10:59
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deFryskmy firefox xrashes too often when using java , unlike in mozilla where it works fine (blackdown-java)10:59
miausX_no idea about java, deFrysk... I have installed j2re from Sun (with a package that makes a deb of it)11:00
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wu_mingbeep id3 writing seem buggy if writing in utf8 chinese11:02
wu_mingalways hangs...11:02
wu_mingso i am going to uninstall it and return to rhythmbox11:02
miausX_anybody knows a good gui for iptables for my Ubuntu's gnome?11:02
deFryskmiausX_, not all java pages crash, its probably sensitive to crappy coding11:03
miausX_deFrysk, oh... I see :)11:03
lauhanendeFrysk: I copied last night "daily snapshot" of warty, and MD5 sums were ok, still it was clearly broken.. So could you pass the word11:03
lauhanento right person11:03
deFrysklauhanen, what was broken ?11:03
deFryskxmms /11:03
lauhanenno, it didn't even install, the installing system. There was this about 10 phases, starting from "choose language" and there was ONLY 10, not for example "partition harddisk"11:04
lauhanenbut it booted and first 10 cases were ok!11:05
deFryski see11:05
deFryskwell , report it in the mailinglist11:06
lauhanenI'm sure the script to build that is broken, cos I tried ~5 times, everytime the same, and md5 sums were ok11:06
deFryskthats where you can get the answers11:06
lauhanenI downloaded a "official" cd-image, dated 15 days ago, it was ok11:07
miausX_brb :)11:07
lauhanenso I'm 95% sure the daily build script is bogus11:08
lauhanentry and see! :-)11:08
lauhanenget a cd-rw ready11:08
deFrysklauhanen, nope ;011:09
deFrysknext install of mine will be the stable release next week11:09
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lypanovruby-dev doesn't seem to include mkmf? :|11:12
lypanovah haaaaa11:13
lypanovruby1.8-dev + ruby-dev are needed11:13
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lauhanendefrysk: isn't this release, i installed today ( warty, build abt. 20th sept) "stable"?11:17
lauhanendeFrysk: After correctin sources.apt: 161 upgraded, 48 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.11:18
wu_minghelix player is not in the ubuntu repository, what is the best way to get and install it then?11:21
deFryskwu_ming, might be handyer to install realplaer10 ?11:23
deFryskis supports more codecs11:23
joemprobably just go to the website11:23
wu_minghmmm really? but i thought realplayer is not open11:23
Treenakswu_ming: it isn't11:23
lauhanenrealplayer is spyware!11:23
wu_mingall i want is to play rm and rmvb file11:23
deFryskthe latest realplayer uses helixplayer 11:23
lauhanenin windows it is, and in linux the binaries ois closed11:24
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lauhanen"setting up xmms" , aaaah! :-)11:25
deFryskdownload the rpm alien it to a deb and install it11:25
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deFryskdoing it as I speak :)11:27
deFryskand done :)11:28
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lhbi am installing on 2 machines right now11:30
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wu_mingrealplyer is dodgy, it freezes at startup when rhythmbox is already playing and display no error message whatsoever11:40
Mithrandirwu_ming: probably hanging because it's not allowed to use /dev/dsp11:41
Mithrandiruse esd. :)11:41
wu_minghow to display playlist ?11:42
lauhanendefrysk. Thanks for all the help. I try to boot now ( even I told my keymap is finnish, it still didn?t install it as finnish... also X didn't worrk with scandinavian letters..11:42
lauhanendefrysk: Danku vel!11:42
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wu_minghow do i change the volumn control to only produce sound in left speaker (not right)11:49
Lathiatwu_ming: your player should do that11:50
Lathiator you can unlock the control in the mixer11:50
wu_mingnot realplayer11:50
Lathiat(unselect "Lock")11:50
wu_mingwhich option,11:50
Lathiatand then drag the right bar down to thebottom11:50
davidwI managed to crash network-admin11:50
Lathiatdavidw: heh, ive done that before11:51
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eddwhee, http://journal.dajobe.org/journal/archives/2004_10.html#00173712:39
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tomcat1hi all12:40
tomcat1Haven't official Ubuntu been out yet ?12:41
topylii guess not12:41
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tomcat1topyli: do you know when it is out ?12:42
topylithere's a release schedule on the ubuntu wiki which say oct 20th12:43
topylitomcat1: final freeze was this monday so it shouldn't change much now :)12:46
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tomcat1topyli: thanks12:47
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tomcat1why ubuntu team doesn't make files for i586 or i686, i386 is too old !12:51
Treenakstomcat1: because you won't notice a difference12:52
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tomcat1Treenaks: I think it will run faster with i 586 or i68612:53
Treenakstomcat1: not noticably12:53
tomcat1is there any body here having an i386 machine for Ubuntu ?12:54
davidwyeah, I finally upgraded my trusty 286 last week12:54
tomcat1oh, sorry davidw, hehe12:55
tomcat1so i386 is still useful12:55
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phosphorgreendoes any1 know how to get the win32 codecs/divx codecs for xine on an ubuntu/debian system?12:57
mjrfrom marillat12:59
Treenaksphosphorgreen: read the FAQ01:00
phosphorgreenwhich one?01:00
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z0mbitchphosphorgreen: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=marillat&btnG=Google+Search01:05
phosphorgreenshould i use the stable or testing source?01:07
jubaljHi guys.. good work on the distro.. i've managed to get the i386 version running on my AMD64.. but i'm having a couple of issues..01:10
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jubaljthe most annoying one is that nautilus windows to display files take about 3-4 MINUTEs (no exageration) to show up? is this ia known bug?? i cant find it on bugzilla??01:12
opi^workjubalj: what kind of computer do you have?01:12
opi^workjubalj: it sound a little bit wierd01:12
jubalj3200+ AMD64, 160MB segate hdd, 512MB ram01:13
jubaljyes its very wierd..01:13
cefphosphorgreen: use the unstable source, afaik01:13
jubaljany suggestions.. i've had a look at hdparm.. and its a bit slow but seems to be acceptable..01:14
jubalji mean stuff works fine in console windows..01:14
jubaljits just that stuff like totem wont work cause everytime it tries to browse for a file its freezes for over 1-3minutes..01:15
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phosphorgreenwhen adding deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main to my apt.sources, synaptic just says it can't stat the directory -anybody any ideas?01:22
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cefok, so how do I tell apps which sound card to use?01:24
topyliphosphorgreen: did you run apt-get upgrade (or click "refresh" in synaptic)?01:30
topyliapt-get update i mean01:30
phosphorgreentopyli: i feel stupid ;)01:38
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pupilzengHi, I can't find a way to set the program to open a specified type of file. For example, I want to open mms:// with mplayer, but I don't know where to set02:07
housetierhow do you come across those URIs?02:08
fubaris mplayer developed by ubuntu developers02:08
pupilzengno, I compiled the mplayer by myself02:09
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richnrockvillemdHas anyone gotten a printer connected to a Linksys Print server to work on Ubuntu?02:10
pupilzenghousetier: Are you talking to me? I'm sorry I can't understand you.02:10
richnrockvillemdI know the IP and have tried to use almost every feature in the install printer function to get it to work, It says that it is installed but no luck.02:11
seb128new gstreamer/gst-plugins0.8/totem packages here:02:11
seb128feel free to test, feedbacks are welcome02:12
moyogoseb128: sweet02:12
tsengLathiat: hi02:12
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ryhdorjoin #Hbey02:20
tsengseb128: sweet, thanks.02:21
seb128let me know how it works02:22
seb128BTW time to take a lunch break02:22
tsengseb128: yo02:23
tsengseb128: you didnt apt-ify it02:23
seb128no ...02:23
tsengoh well. /me wget -r02:24
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seb128tseng: deb http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~seb128/gstreamer/  /02:26
seb128"deb http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~seb128/gstreamer/  /" <- for the new totem/gst* packages02:27
tsengthanks! :P02:27
pittiseb128: on their way to get installed02:28
|Erndil|Hi everyone! someone knows when is ubuntu official?02:28
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pitti|Erndil|: Oct 2002:28
seb128pitti: ok, I should be back in ~1h02:28
tseng|Erndil|: oct 20 last i heard02:28
|Erndil|ok, thank you!02:28
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danielssabdfl: as an interesting data point, my thinkpad just came with the eight-cell battery02:36
danielssabdfl: and battery life seems really, really good, even with wifi02:36
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Iorekoy people...02:38
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YogeshMHELP PLEASE !!!!02:43
nanotechcan anyone suggest a decent stylist suporrted under ubuntu or debian or linux?02:43
Treenaksnanotech: stylist?02:43
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TreenaksYogeshM: with what?02:43
[Bas] YogeshM, just ask the question02:43
YogeshMinstalling gnome on custom install02:43
nanotechstylist might be slang...graphics pad?02:44
YogeshMi don't want to have gnome with all the package02:44
jdubYogeshM: why?02:44
YogeshMto make it lighter can i???02:45
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[Bas] YogeshM, 'sudo apt-get install gnome'02:45
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YogeshMbut it will install with all the package no???02:46
Iorekisn't ubunto's gnome pretty light already?02:46
lauhanenah, tried ubuntu for 12 hours.. everything is broken.. :-(02:46
lauhanenquess it is not mature yet!02:46
[Bas] YogeshM, that will give you a fairly basic gnome02:46
Caprilauhanen: tried ubuntu for 2 weeks .. nothing is broken .. everything is finde :o)02:47
lamontlauhanen: wondering what 'everything' is...02:47
lamontit all works here..02:47
IorekIauhanen dunno...been using it since it came out, regular updates, almost everything works perfectly :)02:47
YogeshMok but it says that gnome has no installation candidate02:48
Iorekit's pretty impressive, for a beta02:48
lauhanenyes, but you not me... Ive used debian now 6 years, and now when i installed k3b it warns me 20 screenfuls of kde-stuff not present..02:48
Iorekdid you read the FAQ? :P02:48
YogeshMwhy is it explained in the faq??? :)02:49
Iorekyou know, about non-ubuntu packages not working properly yet? :)02:49
lauhanenYes, it said I should touch ".ICEauthority" but it already was there..02:49
lamontlauhanen: what architecture?02:49
Iorekand that includes KDE packages...02:49
IorekYogeshM: not you ;)02:49
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lauhanenno, this problem is not explained ( i know enough unix-types, you should not ask them help before you have tried to look the problem for yourself for a while..)02:50
lamontlauhanen: i386?02:50
YogeshMbut what to to if it says that package gnome has no installation candidate???02:51
lauhanendselect desnt want to include anything. Now when I run k3bsetup it says that k3bsetup2 doestn exist..02:51
lamontYogeshM: are you upgrading?02:51
Ioreklauhanen: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/kde02:51
lauhaneni386 yes02:51
lamontwith universe in the component list, of course02:51
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lamontThe following NEW packages will be installed:02:52
lamont  k3b k3blibs kdebase-bin kdelibs-bin kdelibs-data kdelibs4 libarts102:52
lamont  libflac++2c102 menu menu-xdg02:52
lamontworks here...02:52
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lauhanenhmm.. I liked ubuntu, but everything is broken.. Everything I've tried. Now this k3b02:53
lamontlauhanen: many things in universe are broken.02:53
lauhanenyes, so it is not mature02:53
lauhanenor robust02:53
lamontuniverse is not robust or mature. 02:53
lamontnor is it supported.02:53
Mithrandirlauhanen: universe isn't supported.02:53
lamontpatches welcome02:54
lauhanenhmmm.. So, if I want to use k3b ubuntu is not for it?02:54
lamontbut all of the focus of effort has been on packages in main/restricted.02:54
lamontlauhanen: if it works, fine.  but it's not supported.02:54
lauhanen it is univ. restricted02:54
Iorekyes, at the moment02:55
djtanseydoes anyone here have ubuntu on a thinkpad? ubuntu doesn't have the thinkpad programs (tpctl, etc) in it's repository and i want to know if it is okay to get a debian sid package. (and if it will ever make it into ubuntu itself)02:56
tonyGood morning guys...Anyone have time for a newbie question?02:56
lauhanenThe hardware dedection was  very nice, X- configured 100% and stuff.. But system is broken02:56
lauhanenSorry, I'm just pissed off.. Thanks, keep up the good worl, installation was really nice! :-)02:56
YogeshMcannot install gnome on custom install please help02:57
Iorektony fire away?02:57
tonyThank you...I want to dual boot Win2000 and Ubuntu. I found a tutorial on how to doit but it says I have to use LILO..Ubuntu uses GRUB right? Or can I change that?02:59
Iorekgrub can do the same thing02:59
tsengtony: there are already examples in /boot/grub/menu.lst02:59
tsengand lots of howto03:00
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Iorektony: when you install ubuntu it'll find your windows200003:00
Iorekand install the bootloader correctly03:00
housetierit did so on my friend's laptop03:01
Iorekit did here :)03:01
Iorekbut it didn't find suse, had to add that manually03:01
tonyI'm like a 1 year old when it comes to Linux...Right it did but when it was done installing it rebooted and then got stuck after POST. It just said GRUB in the upper right hand corner of the screen and just sat there.03:02
Iorekborked grub installation03:02
tonyI tried it a few times.03:03
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tonySomeone in here gave me this link http://www.linuxjunior.org/cgi-bin/pet/pet.cgi?SUBMIT=Display&id=3703:03
Iorekyeah but since that one prefers lilo it doesn't help much03:04
TreenaksIorek: that, and it installs Linux in the Windows bootloader, instead of the other way around03:04
Treenaksi.e. completely pointless if you want to remove windows in the future03:04
tonyDo you guys know a better way?03:05
Treenakstony: yes, read /boot/grub/menu.lst it has an example03:05
Iorekand have a look round here ;)03:06
Iorekdo you know what partition you put ubuntu on?03:06
TreenaksYogeshM: Please don't shout.03:07
TreenaksYogeshM: apt-get install gnome should do it03:07
TreenaksYogeshM: but gnome is installed by default on ubuntu03:08
djtanseygenerally can debian unstable packages be used in ubuntu? i need some thinkpad packages that are not available. 03:08
Treenaksdjtansey: not even in universe?03:08
djtanseyTreenaks: how do i check that? i have the default apt sources my ubuntu install gave me03:09
Treenaksdjtansey: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, it has comments describing how to add universe03:09
Treenaksdjtansey: then apt-get update; apt-cache show <package you're looking for>03:09
Iorekedit sources.list or fire up synaptic and add the universe repo's there03:09
djtanseyTreenaks: i'll look. thanks.03:10
IorekTreenaks you keep beating me to stuff :P03:10
TreenaksIorek: And I'm working too 8-)03:10
Iorekyeah, I'm cleaning...:P03:10
tsengseb128: this new gstreamer doesnt have love for laptop-mode and flac03:11
cefdaniels: interesting thing with my 1.4 ghz Athlon...03:11
danielscef: oh?03:11
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tsengseb128: i dont recall it ever coming to a complete halt every few seconds to grab more of the track in the last version03:11
cefdaniels: the nv driver is faster for dvd playback than the binary only driver03:12
danielscef: ha ha ha :) oh man03:12
tsengcef: is that true if you diable the binary drivers builtin 2d rendering and use xfree's?03:12
ceftseng: erm? in english?03:13
tsengthat was about as english as it gets03:14
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cefwell it made no sense03:14
djtanseyTreenaks: well, it's there. just has post install error :) 03:14
tsengthe nvidia driver has builtin 2d functionality that is inferior to xfree03:14
djtanseyTreenaks: i'll figure it out. thanks again.03:14
tsengthere is an option to not use it03:14
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darksataniccef: It does make sense if you put an apostrophe before the "s" of "drivers"03:14
cefyeah and? how would you disable the built in 2d rendering, while keeping the 3d rendering03:15
tsengdo you want me to just do this for you?03:15
tsengyou know where the docs are.03:15
darksatanicI didn't comment on the technical issues, just on the English...03:15
cefand also: the gl rendering is slow too03:15
ceftseng: well a pointer would be nice03:15
tsengdo you have nvidia-glx?03:16
Mithrandirhi ds03:16
darksatanico/ Mithrandir03:16
cefyes, and restricted stuff03:16
darksatanicI've just discovered that I didn't get asked any questions at all about setting up postfix, 03:16
YogeshMok but i have done the custom install with no graphical package03:16
darksatanicand all the mail I've sent from this machine in the last couple of days has gone to the great bit-bucket in the sky.03:16
YogeshMhow do i install gnme from the cd?????03:17
YogeshMhow do i install gnome from the cd?????03:17
darksatanicFortunately, it wasn't many mails. :)03:17
cefactually i just realised that it's not just that.. whatever kernel was installed before was a lot faster and cleaner on this machine03:17
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IorekYogeshM: again, why don't you just install the CD, it comes with Gnome! :)03:18
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YogeshMiorek :yes but i don't want to install all the gnome things just the core with firefox and evolution for example03:18
Iorekwell, it's pretty slim as it is...:)03:19
darksatanicYogeshM: I'm just guessing here, but try installing gnome-core, and then pick the apps you want.03:19
YogeshMiorek: but is it possible????03:20
CapriYogeshM: make a default install and uninstall the things you don't want. You will see that there are many dependencies03:20
cefok, how do I REMOVE the kernel nvidia-glx depended on?03:20
YogeshMiorek : capri : what does it means when it says that gnome-core has no installation candidate ????03:21
cefahh figured it.. hrm.. the newer kernel still seems painfully slower03:23
YogeshMiorek : capri : how do i install gnome from the cd ?????????????????????????????/03:23
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YogeshMcan someone tells me if ltsp is supported on ubuntu03:24
TreenaksYogeshM: ltsp server or client?03:24
TreenaksI'd say 'why not', but I don't know ltsp very well03:24
YogeshMtreenaks : and for the client03:25
TreenaksYogeshM: client should work fine03:25
TreenaksYogeshM: there's a "remote desktop" client in ubuntu's menu...03:26
YogeshMtreenaks : can u tell me how to install gnome from the cd???? i have done a custom install03:26
TreenaksYogeshM: don't do a custom install then.03:26
TreenaksYogeshM: apt-get install gnome03:26
TreenaksYogeshM: i'll ask for the CD03:26
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YogeshMtreenaks : package gnome has no installation candidate03:27
darksatanicTreenaks: "apt-cache show gnome" indicates that the gnome package is in universe03:27
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TreenaksYogeshM: aptitude install ~tubuntu-desktop03:27
YogeshMtreenaks : ok it works but why is it downloading ???03:29
YogeshMtreenaks : can it take it from the cd???03:29
darksatanicThere's probably a more up to date version on the net.03:29
darksatanicSo it will take that in preference to the one on the CD.03:30
YogeshMdarksatanic : is the version on the cd stable release????03:30
YogeshMdarksatanic : is the gnome version on the cd stable release????03:30
darksatanicNot yet, no.03:30
darksatanicThe stable release goes out on October 20th.03:30
TreenaksYogeshM: please use only one question mark when asking questions03:31
darksatanic(Well, that's the target, anyway)03:31
YogeshMdarksatanic : and the one it is downloadind?03:31
darksatanicIt's the latest version in the repository.03:31
darksatanicI don't know what the release process is for Ubuntu,03:32
YogeshMdarksatanic : and the one it is downloadind is it gnome 2.8?03:32
darksatanicNo idea. I don't have Gnome on this machine.03:32
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YogeshMdarksatanic : so it is best to do a custom install and then download the latest gnome no?03:34
darksatanicDoesn't matter. You could do a basic install and then update using aptitude.03:34
YogeshMdarksatanic : and what the command?03:35
darksatanicaptitude update; aptitude upgrade03:35
YogeshMdarksatanic : the same as apt-get ?03:35
darksatanicYes. You could use apt-get if you prefer.03:35
YogeshMdarksatanic : is there a way to search for latest packages as for emerge in gentoo?03:36
TreenaksYogeshM: yes, aptitude update does that03:36
TreenaksYogeshM: and aptitude upgrade upgrades to those latest evrsions03:36
darksatanic"aptitude -s upgrade" will tell you what packages will be updated if you run the upgrade.03:37
darksatanicThis is for Debian, but may be helpful to you: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ManagingPackages/Apt03:37
YogeshMdarksatanic : sorry i was telling to search individual package like emerge -s packagename !03:37
tonyThanks guys for your help. Im going to try a few things. If you see me back here soon...then it worked :) 03:38
darksatanicYogeshM: Read that web page, and see if it answers all your questions.03:38
TreenaksYogeshM: apt-cache search packagename03:38
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YogeshMdarksatanic : and it also says apt-file03:43
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darksatanicYes, if you want to search the list of all files in the distribution for a given file and find the package in question.03:45
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lamontdarksatanic: let me guess: your ISP blocks outbound connections to port 25?03:49
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lamontdjtansey: tpctl is in universe03:57
cefhrm, I think that doesn't like me...03:57
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cefever since installing this kernel, I'm getting signal 11's.. *sigh*04:00
Treenakscef: did you overclock?04:00
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cefnup.. and I've NEVER got signal 11's before.. and only since upgrading to this kernel today04:01
tsengLathiat: i added the proper versions to the depends and am uploading now04:02
tsengLathiat: thanks for the start04:03
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polok_off to bed04:06
stianhI've just installed Ubuntu 4.10, and I am trying to compile wxGTK, but I am told to check that gtk-config is in path. How do I get it into path, if it's even installed?04:06
polok_g'night everyone04:06
Treenaksstianh: never compile if there's a package04:07
Treenaksstianh: have you checked universe?04:07
spivstianh: you probably need to install libgtk2.0-dev... hang on, libwxgtk2.4 is in universe, why not just use it?04:08
stianhwhat's universe?04:08
IorekTreenaks I hear you....tried to compile the gift-fasttrack plugin, didn't work04:08
Iorekpackages all installed perfectly04:08
Treenaksstianh: universe is a package repository04:08
stianhAh, well if there are packages then I won't compile :)04:08
stianhwhere do I find it?04:08
TreenaksIorek: compiling might work, but you have to know what you're doing (and it breaks)04:08
stianhand how do I add it to synaptics?04:09
Treenaksstianh: edit /etc/apt/sources.list04:09
Treenaksstianh: then it's in synaptic after you do Update04:09
TreenaksIorek: (it breaks if you upgrade, but don't upgrade the compiled version etc.)04:09
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IorekTreenaks: gave a pkg_config error, sating a package wasn't installed when it actually was. I stopped right then and there :P04:10
TreenaksIorek: try packagename-dev ;)04:10
TreenaksIorek: but packages are better04:10
stianhTreenaks, thanks :)04:10
Treenaksstianh: you have packages in synaptic now?04:11
Iorekubuntu has REALLY nice fonts...04:11
stianhTreenaks, yeah, got the ones I need :)04:12
stianhHey, aMule was there :D nice stuff :)04:13
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stianhAnybody know of an IRC client that can minimize to the systemtray?04:23
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Treenaksstianh: "the system tray" is a notification bar, not for minimalisation04:25
Treenaksstianh: but gaim can do it04:25
YogeshMdarksatanic : what is the latest kernel avaible for ubuntu04:25
YogeshMdarksatanic : what is the latest kernel avaible for ubuntu?04:25
TreenaksYogeshM: install linux-image-686, it'll automatically install the newest version04:25
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YogeshMtreenaks : it is better than the i386 one? does it works on athlon xp?04:26
TreenaksYogeshM: 1 sec04:27
Treenakslinux-image-k7 then04:28
YogeshMtreenaks : is it the one?04:30
TreenaksdeFrysk: linux-image-{arch} will always depend on the latest kernel04:30
TreenaksYogeshM: yes04:30
deFryskuname -r04:30
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YogeshMdefrysk: the -3 means that it is patched?04:31
deFryskYogeshM, the difference is hardly notable04:32
deFryskYogeshM, not sure but i guess so yes04:32
YogeshMdefrysk:is it the latest one04:32
deFryskYogeshM, likely yes, otherwise apt would inform me of an update04:32
magnonhm, this wasn't too good04:33
magnonupdating HAL made nautilus throw up folders automatically for every partition04:34
YogeshMwould it be stable on an athlon xp 2400 mhz?04:34
Iorekmagnon: Configuration editor > apps > nautilus > show_volumes04:34
deFryskYogeshM, it works on my XP 220004:34
Iorekno wait04:35
Iorekthat's something else :P04:35
magnonIorek: It's not like it's a problem, but it's a little dumb that it happens04:35
IorekComputer > Desktop Preferences > Removable Media04:35
magnonespecially if you're having a big update and just letting it roll while you do other stuff, and suddenly you get a bunch of folders04:36
magnonbut you still want that behavior normally04:36
magnonjust not when it's upgrading to a new version :)04:36
Iorekthird checkbox from the top04:36
Iorekah :)04:36
YogeshMenen if my system is stable??04:36
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deFryskhmm livecd is out04:43
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YogeshMdefrysk: just after the install the setup ask me if i want to update even before i log on for the first time ? i said yes and now a list og packages is being list is it good?04:46
deFryskYogeshM, just update ;)04:47
deFryskits ok04:47
Iorekthis is a good thing :P04:47
deFryskdebian style :)04:47
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wayneinusHi, I was wondering if anyone has gotten Suspend or Hibernation to work on a notebook using Ubuntu?04:54
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zepo__i've a Acer travelmate laptop,and i've video problem04:57
zepo__someone knows or can tell me something about04:58
fabbionezepo__: what kind of problem?04:58
crash_hi all04:58
zepo__well...sometimes it dipends on the apps, my screen becomes all black and i can't go on...and also my mouse pointer when clicking on window's tops is white square05:00
fabbionezepo__: video card?05:00
zepo__i checked all the possible information about XF86Config-4... but nothing better yet :(05:00
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zepo__yep...  VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82830 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller]  (rev 04)05:01
fabbionezepo__: edit your /etc/X11/XF86config-4 file05:03
fabbionego to Section "Device"05:03
fabbioneand add:05:03
fabbioneOption "SWCursor" "on"05:03
fabbionerestart X05:03
fabbioneand see what happens05:04
zepo__ok...but the problem is that i can't also startx, coz mine ttys doesn't, ctrl+alt+F1/2/3/4/5/6 goes on a black screen...but typing alt+ctrl+F7 i go back to gnome05:06
zepo__ok..i try05:06
zepo__i have to reboot05:10
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zepo__tnx ... now the mouse pointer works well05:16
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zepo__Fabbione: tnx a lot05:18
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Iorekis there a key shortcut like Win-D in Gnome? For immediately clearing the desktop?05:19
fabbionezepo__: no problem05:20
Iorekalright, thanks :)05:20
martinkIorek: and you can even choose a different shortcut05:21
Iorekyeah, but the Xin-button aparantly can't work as a "combo-button"05:22
Iorekmeaning you can't assign Win-D with something05:22
Iorekit says something like Super_L05:23
zepo__Fabbione:may i ask about another problem...so strange05:23
zepo__i can't enter on tty, pushing ctrl+alt+F1 ecc... i enter in black screen...then pushing ctrl+alt+F7 i can go back to X...u imagine or know a possible reason05:24
Iorekbrb liefje05:25
Ioreknevermind that :P05:25
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MrNuggetHe Guys, i got a problem when trying to play a DVD with totem under Ubuntu, getting this error:05:39
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MrNuggetlibdvdnav: ifoOpenVTSI failed - CRASHING!!!05:39
MrNuggetAnd then: Assertion "0" Failed05:39
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MepisBelleHey dannya 05:55
dannyahey :)05:55
dannyahave you switched? ;)05:56
dannyawell, I have always been on plain debian05:56
MepisBelledannya: Don't plan to - but curious.05:56
dannyaI installed it on a friend's laptop05:56
dannyapretty nice05:56
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Ubuntu64yo yo 05:57
dannyayo yo05:57
Ubuntu64it's alive !! 05:57
Ubuntu64gonna try in a bold attempt to make a iso of my ubuntu64  so I have  ubunto64-livecd   , /me crosses fingers :-)05:58
paucould someone help me in a (small) problem?05:59
pauwell, i think it's not a problem, but i don't know how to resolve it05:59
Ubuntu64do share this issue with us 06:00
dannyahave you seen cblue lately, mepisbelle?06:00
MepisBelledannya: She's in #mepis now06:01
paui have donwloaded a package for word-correcting for my mother language06:01
pauthe package is aspell-ca06:01
paubut i can't find the manner for make it work with openoffice, or any aplications06:01
paudo i have to activate it or something like that?06:01
MepisBelledannya: She's been pretty quiet lately - except on the mailing lists.06:04
MepisBelledannya: http://people.evilrealms.net/~pibby/view_photo.php?set_albumName=kde&id=Intuxicated_Freefall06:04
dannyawhat karamba theme are you using?06:06
MepisBelledannya: No karamba06:08
dannyaah, ok - I thought that the icons at the bottom were different sizes...06:08
Ubuntu64how do I write a ISO  to a cd with cd/DVD creator ? 06:09
AndersAAthat is an extreamly nice screenshot man..06:09
MrNuggethttp://nopaste.php-q.net/89048 <-- That's what i get when trying to play a DVD06:09
AndersAAlove the tux in the corner that reflects on the taskbar :)06:09
MepisBelleAndersAA: Thank you.06:09
AndersAAthat's not the normal kde panel is it?  Or is it just normal with a custom background that fits the desktop background?06:10
TreenaksUbuntu64: right-click on the ISO, select 'Burn to CD'06:10
MepisBelle<wink>  Trade secret.06:10
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Ubuntu64Treenaks,  nope ? that option is not there 06:12
TreenaksUbuntu64: is it called .iso?06:12
TreenaksUbuntu64: is it a real ISO file?06:12
Ubuntu64yes dear06:13
Ubuntu64he filename "arch-0.7-beta1-base.iso" indicates that this file is of type "raw CD image".06:14
ajis ubuntu doing security updates yet?06:15
TreenaksUbuntu64: which, if you have nautilus-cd-writer installed, should be right-clickable & burnable06:15
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danielsaj: the archive is there, yes06:16
Kamionaj: only as far as "somebody uploads fixes to warty when bugs get reported against unstable"06:16
danielsaj: anything specific that we've missed?06:16
Kamion(we import RC bugs from Debian automatically)06:17
Ubuntu64Treenaks,  I have that installed 06:18
Ubuntu64Treenaks,    from the command line  nautilus-cd-burner blabla.iso  works =:-)06:19
ajKamion: so warty's slightly less supported than the mainstream arches on unstable as far as security's concerned, basically?06:19
ajKamion: i take it that'll change as of the 22nd?06:20
Kamionprobably better supported than the mainstream arches on unstable since we're paid to fix the RC bugs ...06:20
ajKamion: (also, i don't have a debootstrap patch yet?)06:21
Kamion(and we have 13, currently)06:21
Kamion(oh, crap, doing now)06:21
ajKamion: (no rush, just a reminder)06:21
ajKamion: 13?06:21
KamionRC bugs06:21
ajKamion: ...?06:21
Kamionin warty06:22
danielsaj: in our Bugzilla, there are 13 bugs with severity >= major06:22
Kamionyes, there'll be full stable-style security support as of the 20th at latest06:22
ajonly 721 in unstable06:22
KamionI'm discounting universe, obviously, since that's totally unsupported ...06:23
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ajKamion: are security updates going to be gratis for the 18 months? (and/or 7 years?) (and is the answer there a "definite commitment" or a "that's our plan atm"?)06:24
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Kamiongratis, definite commitment06:24
Kamionwe will not be charging for the distribution06:25
q2_hey all06:25
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ajhrm, by the looks, Warty'll release on the 11 month aniversary of the last Debian release, major or minor...06:26
Kamionthat's for the 18 months, incidentally06:26
Kamion7-year support, I don't know what the plan is06:26
ajthe impression i got was there wasn't a plan per se yet06:26
Kamionthat's my impression too :)06:26
aji'm trying to convince myself i'm willing to pay for security support06:26
aj(i'm not in any rush :)06:27
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magnonanyone having problems with gnome-volume-manager?06:43
magnonit doesn't obey my new command settings on sound cd06:44
magnonkeeps opening cd player06:44
mjrmagnon, actually, I think it hasn't automounted cds when inserted06:44
magnonit opens the cd player..06:44
magnonI restarted the daemon, and now it works06:45
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magnonwoah, the default screensaver is nuts06:46
magnonhm, oh, it's random06:47
magnonok, the Atunnel screensaver is crazy06:47
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boogerhas anyone here successfully installed k3b and gotten it to work?06:49
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boogeris k3b for ubuntu usable at this point??06:52
tof--woks fine06:52
boogertof, did you follow the faq on ubuntulinux.org?06:53
tof--hum yes i think06:53
tof--just uncomment universe in ur source.list06:53
boogerI did that06:54
tof--aptitude update && aptitude install k3b06:54
boogerWould it be possible to install using root instead of sudo?06:54
boogerI take that as a IDGAS06:55
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imkagood evening07:11
Chrifferis the rsync man page messed up for everyone?07:11
Chrifferthe characters that list what the options are are all listed as o07:12
imkadoes any1 know how i can disable running gphoto when my camera is automounted?07:12
KamionChriffer: those are just bullets represented in ASCII, surely?07:12
Kamionthey're like that in the man page source07:13
Chriffermaybe they are, i didnt read far enough07:13
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Kamionlooks that way to me07:13
Chrifferit seems structured differently than most man pages07:13
Kamiononly a bit, it looks relatively normal to me07:13
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Kamionthe ASCII-bullets-by-hand are a little odd, \(bu would be more conventional07:14
imkacan any1 help me?07:14
imkagphoto doesnt know my camera so i wanna disable running gphoto automatically when my cam is automounted07:15
goatboyimka: Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> Removable Storage07:16
imkathanks a lot goatboy07:16
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julia_hi there, anybody tried to set up multisync?07:30
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JuliaGhi there, anybody tried to set up multisync?07:34
djtanseyi am having problems with my keyboard in ubuntu. some keys stop working or only work after many uses or put a different character (* instead of p for instance) when hit. any guesses?07:35
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lhbhavent tried multisync with ubuntu yet07:53
lhbthe evolution plugin though only support 1.407:54
lhbubuntu has the newest evolution version07:54
lhbshuck, the person already left07:55
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ricochetwhy is there no /dev/dsp   (KDE sound wants it)08:12
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imkaricochet try /dev/dsp108:15
imkait worked for me08:15
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ricochetno dsps08:16
benderhey everybody! where's the netboot installation iso?08:16
Kamionbender: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/daily-installer-i386/current/images/netboot/08:18
Kamionor on the CD in /install/netboot/08:18
benderKamion: can i use the ordinary cd to do a netboot?08:19
benderKamion: thanks08:19
Kamionyou're welcome08:19
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sivangwhat's the pacakge name for firefox 1.0 ?08:38
sivangk, thanks. just made sure I had it08:39
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armitagehello all08:41
sivangtseng : how do I enable aspell to work in firefox, eveolution, etc?08:41
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jeldhello all08:46
jeldanyone here uses powernowd on a Athlon XP system?08:47
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armitageanyone give me some advice on how to get X working on a clean install?08:49
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jeldarmitage, whats the prob?08:50
armitagehave a radeon 9800, the screen flickers 3 times thenI get a cant coufigure your xserver screen08:50
armitagedumps me back to a console08:51
Treenaksarmitage: look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log for the cause08:51
armitageok will check now08:51
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jeldgrrr... powernowd works beautifuly on my P4 workstation @ work where I dont give rats nose about power consumption and fails on my home Shuttle Athlon XP 3000 where I actually need it to cool off while it is not doing anything :( Can anyone help?08:53
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armitageok 08:59
Mithrandirjeld: the p4 you have at work, does it have HT?08:59
armitagesorry had to reboot08:59
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anders_anybody knows how to get irda working on inspiron 8100 ?09:00
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armitageit seems to think I have an SIS chipset instead of a radeon09:00
anders_have a phone with IR I'd like to connect09:00
Mithrandiranders_: do you have the port enabled in the bios, and irda-utils installed?09:01
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anders_irda won't start09:01
Mithrandirdoes it give any useful error messages?09:01
anders_no, can't see any09:02
Mithrandirhow about /var/log/syslog, if you restart it?09:02
jeldMithrandir, it does, but it is not enabled, the MOBO chipset doen't support it09:03
anders_nothing in syslog or dmesg09:03
Mithrandirjeld: ok. :(  I need some help in tracking down a bug, which requires a P4 with HT.09:04
jeldMithrandir, sorry09:05
Ubuntu64strace irda deamon ? 09:05
anders_maybe I could do something with /usr/sbin/irattach ? It list som "dongles", not sure wich to use here09:05
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anders_go search google for inspiron irda dongle maybe09:07
armitagethe last error I get is Primary device is PCI 01:00:0 (ee) no devices detected Fatal error no screens found09:08
anders_trying this http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2001/12/msg00178.html09:09
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anders_adjusting bios..09:12
slartiis there a panel applet that lets you control which network connection you want to use (for example, lets you choose between wired or a number of wireless networks?)09:13
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defendguini was updating hal today via apt and it asked me if i want to keep the package maintainers version of some script or my version whay am i supposed to choose.  rpm never give me this option09:24
Kamionyes, dpkg does that sometimes when you've customized conffiles09:25
slartithis happens for a lot of scripts09:25
defendguinConfiguration file `/etc/dbus-1/event.d/hal09:25
bagpussit's a Good Thing09:25
defendguinwell i dont know which one09:25
defendguini dont remember customizing this file at all09:25
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bagpusspackages silently overwriting your configuration changes would be evil09:26
Kamionuse 'd' to look at the differences09:26
bagpussdefendguin: you can look at a diff of the two versions09:26
defendguinKamion, i did09:26
anders_working with irda, while irda starts syslog says irattach tcsetattr: Invalid argument .. Stopping device /dev/ttyS3 ioctl(SIOCGIFFLAGS): No such device exiting ...09:27
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anders_have set ir in bios to slow and com409:27
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defendguinbagpuss, i dont know anything about hal to be able to see which one is better09:28
bagpussdefendguin: if you don't care, then accept the new version.  The old one is backed up to foo.dpkg.old IIRC09:28
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afonitanyone having evolution crash on them in the pre release?09:30
Treenaksafonit: not yet09:30
afonitI searched the threads, and no one seems to be having that issue09:31
Treenaksand I'm using it quite heavily09:31
afonitwell, I created a bug report, so hopefully that will help09:31
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afonittreenaks, what distro did you use prior to ubuntu?09:32
Treenaksafonit: debian experimental (aka the bleeding-to-death edge)09:32
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afonitI was using fedora09:33
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swoonhow can I stop ubuntu from starting x at boot?09:33
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Treenaksswoon: you don't want that :)09:34
swoonTreenaks why not09:34
Treenaksswoon: but removing the S99gdm link from /etc/rc2.d should do the trick09:34
Treenaksswoon: because there's no reason not to use X :)09:34
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Treenaksswoon: I mean.. 1 text console or (at least) 4 xterms...09:35
swoonTreenaks I think there are many reasons not to use x09:35
Treenaksswoon: like servers, but then you just don't install X09:35
ions|ubunbtuanyone know of a sure way to install Java in Firefox?09:35
swoonso if I remove that line, to start x I can just do: "gdm" ?09:35
Treenaksswoon: which is different from not starting it :)09:35
Treenaksswoon: no, startx09:35
slartigo to the firefox plugin site09:36
ions|ubunbtuI've tried adding it with apt-get & and installing it the regular way09:36
swoonI didnt think ubuntu used startx Treenaks09:36
Treenaksswoon: it's included... just not used by default09:36
ions|ubunbtuhttp://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html#Java you mean that slarti ?  didn't work09:36
swoonTreenaks what is used as default?09:36
Treenaksswoon: gdm09:36
swoonah ok09:37
Treenaksswoon: but that's a daemon, so you can't start that as user09:37
slartiions|ubuntu: what went wrong?  i haven't tried it under ubuntu, but that has worked for me under other debian distros (e.g. knoppix).09:38
housetierhmmm I think ubuntu and "server" just doesn't wash09:38
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EYubuntu is really great!09:39
afonityes, it is09:39
swoonTreenaks, I dont have the machine here, so if removing that link doesnt work is there anything else I should do? or will that deffinetly work?09:39
EYi've got the iso of warty, but i don't have a cd burner. any kind of magic to install it?09:39
EYany ideas?09:40
slartiyou could install onto the hard drive you are currently using then swap hard drives, EY.09:40
Treenaksswoon: that will work09:40
swoonsuse 9.2 is comming out novermber... thats going to be sweet, kde 3.3, kernel 2.6.8, xorg 6.8.1 niceness09:40
housetierEY use your friend's cd burner09:40
ions|ubunbtuanyone have any ideas of getting Java to work?09:41
EYhousetier, yeah, but i want ubuntu today! :-)09:41
EYslarti, don't i need to boot off the cd for the install?09:41
holgercould someone tell me the name of the program that usually shows up in gnome/systemconfiguration as Device Manager09:41
Ubuntu64ions|ubunbtu,  follow the various howto's on google .. 09:41
afonitions: give me a website that ask's for it and I will play with it right now09:41
ions|ubunbtuthey're not working09:41
ions|ubunbtu15:36 < ions|ubunbtu> I've tried adding it with apt-get & and installing it the09:42
ions|ubunbtu                      regular way09:42
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Ubuntu64define :"they're not working"09:42
EYUbuntu64, talking to jme?09:42
afonitions, give me a website that needs java09:42
ions|ubunbtuno Java == not working09:42
punkass_anyone having problems with firefox not displaying the yahoo mail page right?09:42
ions|ubunbtunothing gets installed09:42
slartiEY: you'd have to mount it as a cd.09:42
ions|ubunbtuI have no Java files/dirs09:42
ions|ubunbtuafter apt-getting the whole pile09:42
Ubuntu64ions|ubunbtu,  install it from source (binary scripts from SUN) . ..  it's alot easier 09:42
EYslarti, and?09:43
ions|ubunbtuhttp://jroller.com/page/Sandymountster/20041001 like the directions there?09:43
goatboyholger: hal-device-manager09:43
Ubuntu64no not there ions|ubunbtu09:44
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EYslarti, can you give a few more details pls?09:45
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slartiEY: sorry, i think i was mistaken...09:46
defendguini NEED an ubuntu sticker09:46
afonitdefendguin:  do you know of an svg for ubuto's logo anywhere?09:46
mykdefendguin: you were correct the first time09:46
defendguinafonit, i can make one09:46
defendguinim pretty good with inkscape09:47
slartiEY: there really should be a way to do this, though.  you could try doing a net install, but i can't help you there.09:47
afonitdefendguin: but they don't have one downloadable anywher?09:47
defendguinnot that i know of09:47
afonitdefendguin:  what eversion of inkscape you on?09:47
neighborleedefendguin, i'd not mind a T-shirt ;-)09:48
EYslarti, thanksyou've given me some ideas09:48
defendguinhmmm thats kind of old isnt it09:48
afonitthat is what ubuntu has in its repositories09:48
defendguinits ashame09:48
afonitI tried to do the auto packackage but it messed up09:48
punkass_that should have an image for ya09:48
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punkass_even an .svg09:49
defendguinyup there are ubuntu svg files09:49
afonitthey know how to please09:49
slartianyone know the status of the gnome-system-tools network-admin panel?  will it be usable any time soon?09:50
defendguinthey had some nice ubuntu wallpapers and splashscreens on gnome-look.org09:50
setupwhere is ubuntu in most need of help?09:50
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defendguini wonder if i can make a sticker from this svg09:51
ions|ubunbtuI'm finding nothing useful on google for the terms "ubuntu java install"09:51
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LinuxJonesHey everyone !!09:51
slartisap: i'm guessing in the same area as most *nixes... device support.09:51
afonitdefendguin: I am sure you can09:51
afonitand iron'on's for shirts09:52
defendguinyeah but those iron ons stink09:52
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sapslarti: right09:52
afonityes, depending on how you apply them09:53
defendguin:( i still havent figured out how to print to my network printer :(09:53
SamBozois  make-dpkg buildpackage -rev <newname> kernel_image    the way to recompile a 2.6 kernel?   no modules_omage  needed?09:53
slartisap: for example, all the pieces are there to use the (now discontinued) intelplay q3x microscope, but there's no solid application for dealing with that particular device.09:53
afonitdefendguin:  yes, that is one of my last two issues before I am satisfied, is the networkprinting and mounting network drives09:53
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SamBozoi mean modules_image09:54
slartisap: bad example, but the idea is there.09:54
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defendguinafonit, i wish would be able to detect printers available on the network09:55
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kiki_the_roosterhi all09:55
afonitdefendguin:  totally, I am told suse can do that, but I have not tried that distro09:55
defendguinim not quite sure what to put for the URI in the add printer dialog boc09:56
sapslarti: right, i need to buy some obscure hardware then ;)09:56
defendguini know its a cups printer in a machine with the address of
defendguinbut other than that i know nothing09:57
jkhrm...anyone know when the updated mozilla-firefox package will arrive in the repo for warty? (i know the bugreport is set to 'fixed' already)09:57
afonitit probably needs a driver09:57
EYis there a boot disk for ubuntu?09:57
slartisap: What else would you use Ebay for?09:57
slartisap: are you looking for something to do today, or are you just curious about what needs to be done?09:58
ions|ubunbtuI see no how-tos on google for installing Java on Ubuntu09:58
defendguini keep trying to print a test page but nothing happens :(09:59
EYcan't you just dload the bin and run it?09:59
housetierions|ubunbtu, of course you were here already: http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/faqs/firefox-linux.html09:59
kiki_the_roosterI'd like to install wxPython on ubuntu ... and there are many warnings about adding debian packages to the apt sources ... did anyone try that?10:02
sapslarti: just curious i suppose ... would like to help if i could10:02
defendguinPrinting: Network host '' is busy; will retry in 30 seconds...INFO: Connecting to on port 631...10:03
slartiin that case, i think just using ubuntu regularly and improving the things that are important to you is the best route.10:03
ions|ubunbtu# ./j2re-1_4_2_05-linux-i586.bin10:03
ions|ubunbtubash: ./j2re-1_4_2_05-linux-i586.bin: Permission denied10:03
slartisap: see above10:03
housetierions|ubunbtu, make it executable10:04
jkoh wait...it's updated while i didn't look...darn!10:04
ions|ubunbtuI don't know what you mean10:04
slartiions|ubuntu: chmod +x foo10:04
housetierright click on it in nautilus, I bet it has an option to make files executable10:05
slartihousetier: that's what i meant to say.  :)10:05
defendguinanyone know cups commandline tools?10:07
ions|ubunbtuk java is now installed, ty, but when I try and launch a yahoo java game Firefox immediately crashes10:07
ions|ubunbtuI did the symlink10:07
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slartisap: i think it would be great if ubuntu (gnome) had better network administration tools.10:08
defendguinubuntu should have some stuff up at cafepress.com10:08
sapslarti: such as?10:10
ions|ubunbtucan you guys get Yahoo games to work correctly?10:12
housetieryou have yet to provide a link10:13
sapslarti: anyway, i'll keep using it and see how it goes ... i'm impressed so far though10:13
sapslarti: thanks10:13
ions|ubunbtuI'm trying to get Euchre to work 10:13
LinuxJonesdefendguin, you having trouble printing in cups ?10:14
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housetier"All you need is a Java-enabled browser and a Yahoo! Identity." /me lacks the latter10:14
slartisap: my big concern right now is that the network admin tool freezes whenever a wireless device is enabled.10:15
ions|ubunbtuif I don't get this working I'll have to put XP back on10:15
ions|ubunbtumy neighbours machine10:16
ions|ubunbtushe paid $3k to play Yahoo Euchre10:16
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ions|ubunbtuevery 2 weeks I was over here fixing XP crap and eventually I told her I was tired of it10:16
ions|ubunbtushe needs Linux10:17
ions|ubunbtushe asked specifically will I be able to play Euchre10:17
sapslarti: has this been reported as a bug?10:17
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slartisap: yep... hang on a sec.10:17
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ions|ubunbtuthe other problem I'm having is Evolution isn't displaying folder content10:17
slartisap: i think it's 106910:19
sapslarti: ok, got it10:20
defendguinLinuxJones, yes10:20
ions|ubunbtuk now I'm getting a window asking me to download the plugin10:20
defendguindamn i cant use the web interface for cups10:21
ions|ubunbtuI have no /usr/java dir10:21
LinuxJonesdefendguin,  Here's a good tutorial >> http://www.linux-mag.com/2004-03/guru_01.html (pay attention to the section "Configuring a CUPS IPP Client and Server")10:21
defendguinok ill give it a look10:22
defendguini wish ubuntu hadn't disabled the web configuration for cups10:22
ions|ubunbtuthis, ./j2re-1_4_2_05-linux-i586.bin10:23
ions|ubunbturan and I still have no /usr/java10:23
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dablitzi was wondering if I can get some help10:24
dablitzI have a compaq r3000 laptop. can't seem to boot right10:25
housetierions|ubunbtu, it might be in a different location10:25
dablitzi am getting installation problem10:26
LinuxJonesdefendguin, you can enable the root account then lock it again when your finished configuring CUPS.10:26
housetierions|ubunbtu, you see I used the packages from z42.de which are now in debian unstable, you can try those on ubuntu if you are brave :)10:27
dablitzit has an nvidia gforce 4 vid, how do I get that installed on installation10:28
ions|ubunbtushould I have .mozilla/plugins ?  or can it work in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins10:29
LinuxJonesdablitz, >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto10:29
housetierions|ubunbtu, according to documentation either one will work, I always use ~/.mozilla10:30
slartisap: actually, i was looking into that bug when you came on.10:30
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ions|ubunbtuk cause I don't have .mozilla/plugins - would it work if I created it?10:30
sapslarti: heh, is it fixed then?10:31
slartisap: by looking into, i mean learning about ifconfig, ifup/down, ifstate, hotplug, etc.10:31
slartisap: by no means. :)10:31
housetierions|ubunbtu, god will kill a kitten if you create it10:31
Sirius_Blackhi guys - i would like to know what is the command line for the menu item printer config (or something)10:31
Sirius_Blackcan someoneone help please10:31
ions|ubunbtukitten aside, will it work?10:31
ions|ubunbtuI kill kittens all the time... that other way10:32
Sirius_Blacki.e. if in console, what must i type to start the printer config thing10:32
slartiions|ubunbtu: i prefer bonzai kitten, myself.10:32
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ions|ubunbtustill no workie10:33
Sirius_Blackanyone please - what the command line for printer config tool (in X) please10:33
slartiifconfig -a lists a sit0 device... looks like something to do with IPv6.  anyone know more about this?10:34
housetierSirius_Black, if all else fails: vim of course10:34
TheNailHi new to Linux - just installed ubuntu screen resolution wrong should be 1024 X 768 is 800 X 600 option of 1024 X 768 not in destop resolution? Please help10:34
Sirius_Blackhousetier: fine but I would like to know how do i start printer config tool from command line10:35
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MithrandirSirius_Black: sudo gnome-cups-manager10:35
slartiTheNail: Computer -> system Configuration -> Screen Resolution10:35
LinuxJonesSirius_Black, gnome-cups-manager 10:35
Sirius_BlackMithrandir: (Gandalf) tnx mate10:35
housetierions|ubunbtu, describe the symptoms please "no workie" is too general10:35
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TheNailoption is not in system config screen res10:36
ions|ubunbtuthe plugin is still not found10:36
LinuxJonespanzar, hi10:36
ions|ubunbtunow I can't seem to even start Firefox10:36
panzari'm having troube with the root-account. how can i become root?10:36
TheNaildo i need to run XFree8610:36
LinuxJonespanzar, >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RootSudo10:36
ions|ubunbtuINTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: No manager for initializing factory?10:36
panzarLinuxJones: thanks dude10:36
slartipanzar: root account is disabled by default.  use sudo10:37
LinuxJonespanzar, ;)10:37
panzardoes ubuntu come with any kind of doc?10:37
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ions|ubunbtuwould creating a symlink do that?!10:37
housetierions|ubunbtu, what symlink10:38
sivangpanzar : http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/UDP10:38
LinuxJonespanzar, There is a decent faq >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqfolder_view/10:38
nnutterI am stuck, I just installed Ubuntu but I need to modify the kernel to include the usb drivers and usb-storage built-in instead of as modules (I think) so that I can boot off an external usb hard drive10:38
panzarok, thanks guys.10:38
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ions|ubunbtuthe symlink for the java plugin10:38
nnutteris there a way to load the usb modules so kernel can be correctly loaded, if not how do I get the ubuntu kernel sources so I can just change the usb stuff?10:39
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housetierions|ubunbtu, well you see I assumed you already created it long ago10:39
sivangnnutter : why not trying to use modprobe or modconf to do that?10:39
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nnuttersivang: the kernel is on a usb drive10:39
ions|ubunbtuno, I didn't create it until I had java successfully installed and the proper directories found10:39
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ions|ubunbtuit wasn't usr/java10:40
TheNailHow do I config my video card?10:40
housetier[22:07:59] <ions|ubunbtu> I did the symlink10:40
ions|ubunbtuln -s /usr/lib/j2sdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610/libjavaplugin_oji.so10:40
ions|ubunbtuand there it is10:40
nnuttersivang: i.e. the kernel panics10:40
sivangnnutter : but it boots from the usb drive?10:40
LinuxJonesnnutter, you can load usb modules what devices aren't working ?10:40
nnuttersivang: and I am pretty sure it is because it doesn't have the usb stuff built-in10:40
ions|ubunbtuyeah that was previous after going through all the apt-gets10:40
nnutterum let me explain better10:40
ions|ubunbtuI had made a symlink for a dir that did not exist10:41
housetierions|ubunbtu, which apt-gets now?10:41
ions|ubunbtuI don't remember10:41
ions|ubunbtuthey were done days ago10:41
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nnutterwhen I try to boot ubuntu the kernel panics, / (including /boot) is on a usb hard drive, I believe I need to have the usb-uhci and usb-storage built into the kernel so that it can boot without panicing10:41
ions|ubunbtuin the last 1/2 hour I have downloaded java, installed it and made symlinks10:42
ions|ubunbtunow Firefox won't open10:42
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sivangnnutter : does it say antying besides panic ?10:42
nnuttersivang: it says it can't access dev/console10:42
TheNailAnyone know how to configure a video card?10:42
sivangTheNail : what type?10:42
TheNailHang on Ill have a look10:43
housetierions|ubunbtu, ok this beats me but it won't beat the firefox forum10:43
sivangnnutter : hmmm, I am not sure this is the problem. Is it a Ubuntu system?10:43
sivangnnutter : sorry10:44
nnuttersivang: but I had a similar problem with gentoo, and I just built the usb stuff into the kernel and it worked fine10:44
sivangnnutter : ok, you would need to fetch apt the sources, make menuconfig to configure those option into the kernel and create a custome made kenrel image pacakge then. I reckon it's much similar to debian.10:45
lmlWhat has happened to the MythTV packages in Universe? A couple of weeks ago I saw them there, but now I cannot find them using Synaptic.10:45
TheNailHow do I configure a Neomagic MagicGraph 128XD on an old Gateway laptop? Desktop is ok but the resolution is to low the only options offered on desktop configuration are 800 x 600 and 640 x 400 I know it will run at 1024 x 768?10:45
nnuttersivang: ok I did apt-cache search kernel and I did not see anything about sources only kernel images10:45
panzarhm, it Ubuntu complains that it can't find 'cc' when i try to compile an app?10:46
nnuttersivang: and I am very unfamiliar with apt, I have always used gentoo10:46
sivangnnutter : sec, I will ask some other people too10:47
LinuxJonespanzar, install build-essentials 10:47
punkass_ok i just did an update and now my wireless is not working10:47
nnuttersivang: ok, maybe I should just get the stock kernel from kernel.org, but I would rather just modify the ubuntu kernel10:47
panzarLinuxJones: ok, thanks10:48
punkass_iwconfig shows that the essid and key are set10:48
nnutteri might have found it? linux-kernel-headers?10:48
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punkass_but when i do ifup wlan0    i just get a bunch of DCHPDISCOVER messages10:48
punkass_i know the router works cuz i just downloaded all the updates over the wireless connection10:49
swoonIm in console trying to do  "su" asks for password, but I never set a root password... do I set one now?10:49
nnutterswoon: you can use root in ubuntu10:49
nnutterswoon: sudo su -10:49
LinuxJonesswoon, use your user password10:49
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LinuxJoneserr if you use sudo10:50
ions|unbuntuFirefox is not starting and this is the error I'm getting10:50
ions|unbuntuNTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: No manager for initializing factory?10:50
ions|unbuntuSystem error?:: Success10:50
nnutterions|unbuntu: mv ~/.mozilla ~/mozilla10:51
nnutterions|unbuntu: then try starting firefox10:51
lmlAnybody knows what has happened to the MythTV packages?10:51
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punkass_i noticed that dhcp3 package got updated...i hope it didnt wreck anything..10:51
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punkass_cuz a laptop isnt much good without wireless10:52
ions|unbuntuk it started but all the changes I had made are lost10:52
swoonIm new to ubuntu/debian, how can I get the kernel source? "apt-get what?"10:52
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ions|unbuntuthey'll need to be redone I guess?10:52
nnutterions|unbuntu: well make your changes one by one to figure what broke it10:52
ions|unbuntuadding the symlink broke it10:52
ions|unbuntudeleting that symlink did not fix it though10:53
nnutterions|unbuntu: you can always rm -rf ~/.mozilla && mv ~/mozilla ~/.mozilla if you want the broken one back10:53
ions|unbuntuwell it's no big deal, only button changes10:53
nnutterswoon: that is what I am trying to figure out now too10:53
nnuttersivang is/was helping me, but I don't have an answer yet10:53
punkass_swoon: apt-get install linux-source10:54
swoonpunkass_ do I need to do sudo prior to that command?10:54
sivangpunkass_ : does it appear somewhere on the faq?10:54
lmlCould someone please check if they can see the MythTV packages in universe?10:54
nnutterill brb to try it10:55
punkass_swoon: you could you synaptic10:55
punkass_the GUI app for packages10:55
ions|unbuntuso am I to put the java symlink in: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins10:55
sivangnnutter : after you install the source, you can do make xconfig and customize youre kernel10:55
punkass_and yes u would have to do sudo10:55
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panzarin which file should i place commands that need to be executed at boot-time?10:56
nnutterno such thing as linux-source10:56
nnutterdidn't think there was10:56
ions|unbuntuso am I to put the java symlink in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins ?10:57
sivangnnutter : are you sure?10:57
sivangnnutter : I have tested it on my system and it's has it. do apt-get update10:57
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nnuttersivang: I have10:58
nnuttersivang: so something must be wrong10:58
ions|unbuntushould 10:58
nnutterit is really annoying only having one console10:58
ions|unbuntuI bother to keep asking?10:58
holgerdo i need ndiswrapper for a broadcom 54g/BCM94306 802.11g or is there already an other solution?10:59
nnutterholger i think you need ndiswrapper10:59
nnutterbut I amnot certain10:59
panzarsorry, but doesn't any kind of rc.local exists in Ubuntu?10:59
nnuttersivang: all right I will brb, gotta quit irssi to use console10:59
panzarwhich is exeuted at boot-time?10:59
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mdzpanzar: not by default11:00
LinuxJonespanzar, you can make one.11:00
mdzpanzar: what do you need to do?  there is probably already a script for it11:00
panzari'd like to run '/sbin/845patch 1000011:01
panzari'd like to run '/sbin/845patch 10000' at every startup.11:01
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punkass_mdz: do you know what would stop wireless for working on the latest updated?11:01
panzarsettings the grahical-memory to 10mb instead of 1mb (bios-bug).11:01
mdzpunkass_: the latest update of which package?11:01
punkass_i updated via wireless.. rebooted...can not connect to router anymore11:02
punkass_i noticed dhcp got updated11:02
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nnutterok, I know why, only CD is in my sources.list11:02
sivangnnutter : yes?11:02
punkass_just get a bunch of DHCPDISCOVER messges then times out11:02
mdzpanzar: create a script in /etc/init.d and use update-rc.d to say when it should run11:02
nnuttersivang: so how do I add the internet to the sources.list?11:02
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panzarmdz: ok, thanks.11:03
mdzpanzar: the syntax for update-rc.d is...interesting, but basically "update-rc.d <name of your script in init.d> defaults" should do the trick11:03
punkass_when i run:  iwconfig it shows my Essid and Key11:03
punkass_so i know those are set11:03
panzarmdz: ok, thanks11:04
sivangnnutter : you should edit you'r /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment some lines11:04
punkass_then i try    ifup wlan0  and nothing...11:04
nnuttersivang: it has only one line, and that is the line for the cd-rom11:04
LinuxJonespunkass_, you'd restarted networking ?11:04
mdzpunkass_: the acx1xx driver in the kernel was changed recently, if you're using that11:04
sivangnnutter : ok. try commenting that line,11:04
punkass_nnutter: or in the synaptic GUI, you can just check the sources you want11:04
sivangnnutter : and add those:11:04
mdzmy wireless (ipw2200) is working fine11:04
nnutterpunkass_: I can't boot the system so I don't have a gui11:05
sivangnnutter : or you can try punkass_ way if you'd prefer dealing with the gui :)11:05
punkass_ah i see11:05
nnuttersivang: and add those? what those?11:05
sivangnnutter : ok, you'r sources.list should look something like this:11:05
nnuttersivang: thanks11:05
punkass_sivang: just easier for the new folks to linux :)11:05
punkass_Set failed on device lo. Operation not permitted11:07
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punkass_got that when i did /etc/init.d/networking restart11:07
punkass_not sure why tho11:07
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guptanHi Room11:07
guptanis there any graphical tool like suse's sax2 for ubuntu to configure X?11:07
LinuxJonespunkass_, what does ifconfig -a list for devices ?11:08
punkass_and before that Error for wirless request, set Encode (8B2A) :11:08
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punkass_eth0  lo  sit0  wlan011:09
punkass_makes me crazy :)11:11
LinuxJonespunkass_, failed device on lo is something that i have never seen before. Did you make any changes to iptables ?11:11
makoyou can now order PPC and AMD64 cd's at shipit.ubuntlinux.org11:11
punkass_just did a system update thats it11:11
makosomeone who wants these should go test these before i mention it on the lists11:12
LinuxJonespunkass_, something got borked :(11:12
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punkass_it seems.11:12
makoyou can now order PPC and AMD64 cd's at shipit.ubuntulinux.org11:12
Mithrandirmako: you rock.11:12
Mithrandir(but you knew that already)11:12
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makoMithrandir: watch out, you'll make my head explode11:12
lmlAnybody knows what has happened to the MythTV packages in universe?11:13
LinuxJonespunkass_, does gnome networking look ok when you check your devices in there ?11:14
punkass_yup they are both listed     eth0 - Ethernet LAN card      wlan0 - Wireless LAN card11:14
LinuxJonespunkass_, is your dns server listed under the dns tab ?11:15
LinuxJonespunkass_, probably not11:15
punkass_yup..but its probably there from before when i was connected11:15
LinuxJonespunkass_, sorry dumb question11:15
punkass_that lo error is wird11:16
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goatboymako: cool, seems to work.11:19
swoonok how can I install the new nvidia driver with apt-get?11:19
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zenwhenwhat could cause ubuntu to not see any devices when my video card works in every other distro?11:19
zenwhenX fails to start11:19
armitageI am having the same problem, X wont start on my Radeon11:20
punkass_ Error for wirless request, set Encode (8B2A) : \n SET failed on device lo ; Operation not supported.11:20
zenwhenX wont start on my 680011:20
punkass_why would it be trying to run wireless commands against lo?11:21
armitageI get a no devices setected error, the logfile seems to be looking for a PCI device...is that normal?11:21
punkass_swoon: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx11:21
goatboyswoon: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto11:21
swoonthank you, brb11:22
armitageresponsse to apt-get install fglrx-driver -> couldnt find package, do I need do add another source to /ets/apt/sources?11:23
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swoonok, I did sudo apt-get install ndvidia-glx, and got: Package nvidia-glx is not available11:24
swoonbut is referred to by another package this may mean that the package is missing has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source11:24
makogoatboy: thanks for the feedback11:24
punkass_swoon: u running 64bit?11:25
swoonpunkass_ yes11:25
punkass_ah..ive heard a few people having that problem with 64bit11:25
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punkass_there is know nvidia-glx 64 bit package yet as far as i know..its being worked on11:25
swoonoh man... I need it11:26
punkass_know = no11:26
anders_have problems with IR, trying to connect a nokia5100, getting somthing from irdadump but I have no /dev/ircomm11:27
swoonoh no without it if I log into x I get a messed up unviewable screen, happens with all distros, on my machine untill I install the new driver...11:27
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punkass_i believe fabbione is the man workin on it..talk to him when he is around11:29
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anders_have /etc/devfs/conf.d/irda : REGISTER ^ircomm[^/] *$ PERMISSIONS root.dialout 0660 , is ubuntu is using udev not devfs?11:30
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swoonI simply have no X ability otherwise! this really sucks11:31
punkass_what card is it?11:31
armitageare there other sources that I can add to /etc/apt.. to get the fglrx driver?11:31
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LinuxJonesswoon, have you tried compiling the driver from nvidia's website ?11:31
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swoonLinuxJones: yes, I tried, and it fails11:32
punkass_LinuxJones: i can only find 3 google results for "Set failed on device lo"11:32
LinuxJonesswoon, did you download the header files ?11:32
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anders_anybody have IR working in ubuntu?11:32
punkass_and they all deal with Suse11:32
LinuxJonespunkass_, is there any indication as to what is going on ?11:33
defendguinhmmmm now to make a ubuntu sticker11:33
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punkass_not so much :(11:33
swoonLinuxJones: what header files? linux-source ?11:33
LinuxJonespunkass_, yikes hopefully they will find out what's wrong to get you back online :D11:34
LinuxJonesswoon, you have the linux-source downloaded ?11:34
swoonLinuxJones: yes11:34
punkass_problem is..its my bosses laptop and hes leaving to more and taking it :011:35
LinuxJonesswoon, you have build-essentials as well ?11:35
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punkass_to more = tomorrow11:35
swoonLinuxJones: dunno, only if installed by default... what would I need to get ?11:35
punkass_swoon: there is also    linux-headers11:35
liranI want to install nvidia gforce on my Ubuntu11:35
lirancan any one help11:35
LinuxJonesswoon, yes apt-get install build-essentials then try again11:35
swoonok, LinuxJones and linux-headers as punkass_ says as well then11:36
LinuxJonesliran , >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto11:36
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lmlWhat has happened to the MythTV packages in universe?11:37
liranthanks LinuxJones :)11:37
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guptanHi Room11:37
liranHow do i check my Gtk version ?11:37
thom_dpkg -l libgtk2.011:38
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tbwswoon, there's a script attached to https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1958 that claims to make nVidia amd64 drivers work11:38
tbwmaybe it would help you11:38
lirandpkg -l libgtk2.011:38
liranNo packages found matching libgtk2.0.11:38
liranroot@sexbox:~ #11:38
guptanis there any graphical config tool for XF86conf11:38
goatboyguptan: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8611:39
guptangoatboy: that just set XF86 back to its original values, I want to change refresh rate and all. Any method?11:40
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andrilhello all11:42
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holgercan i install ndiswrapper via apt-get; which deb do i need11:43
swoonok I downloaded linux-headers,  but LinuxJones build-essentials doesnt seem to exist... anyways I then tried to install the driver again, and it couldnt compile saying: Unable to find the kernel source tree for the currently running kernl. 11:44
lmlguptan: I have used the dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to set specific refresh rates on my machine.11:44
lirancan any one tell me how to install hebrew and how to switch from english to hebrew11:44
LinuxJonesswoon, apt-get install linux-source11:44
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lmlholger: there is a package called ndiswrapper-utils that installs ndiswrapper.11:44
lmlholger: though I am having trouble modprobing the ndiswrapper module.11:45
holgerlml: but this does not install my xp driver, i'll try again11:45
liranany one ?11:45
holgerlml: it did install, but i also had problems with modprobe11:46
swoonLinuxJones: I have done so... maybe its not being found? the nvidia error: also says: if you know the correct kernel source files are installed, you may specify the kernel source path with the --kernel-source-path  commandline option...11:46
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LinuxJonesliran , >> dpkg-reconfigure locales11:46
lmlholger: just started trying to get my linksys wmp54g card to work 5 min. ago.11:46
LinuxJonesswoon, do you have a link called "linux" pointing to the source in /usr/src/11:48
lmllml: Have you done the ndiswrapper -i <inf file> part?11:48
lmlholger: Have you done the ndiswrapper -i <inf file> part?11:48
swoonLinuxJones: where would that link be?11:48
LinuxJonesswoon, in /usr/src/ 11:49
defendguincupsd doesnt realize when a print job is finished when printing to a network printer11:50
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LinuxJonesdefendguin, so you got it working ?11:51
swoonoh I see LinuxJones there are 4 files in there, linux-headers-, linux-headers-, linux-source-, and rpm... thats all...11:51
holgerlml: saying: FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found.11:51
LinuxJoneswas it that browse enable problem ?11:51
swoonmaybe the source was downloaded but not installed?11:51
defendguinLinuxJones, no11:51
LinuxJonesswoon, what is in your /usr/src/ directory ?11:51
holgerlml: i did -i and -l, both ok11:52
defendguinin the gnome printer config gui i had to put
defendguinas the uri11:52
LinuxJonesswoon, sorry11:52
LinuxJonesswoon, cd /usr/src/11:52
swoonIm there11:52
LinuxJonesswoon, tar xfjv  linux-source-
liranHow do i switch from english to hebrew?11:52
swoonLinuxJones: ok doing, weird that apt-get install linux-source didnt do that... ?11:53
defendguini made another ubuntu sticker if anyone wants one.  ;)11:53
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LinuxJonesswoon, ya sorry my fault I forgot :P now ln -s /usr/src/linux-source- linux11:54
jblackAnybody heard of echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep bricking laptops? 11:54
lmlholger: same for me. I have tried to look for the module file with a find but with out luck.11:54
jblackI did that on an old laptop today, and it bricked. Poor thing won't turn on any more, even after removing the battery and power.11:54
swoonoh wait forgot to do sudo tar etc11:54
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liranHow do i switch from english to hebrew?11:55
swoonLinuxJones: ok after ln -s etc try the nvidia driver again?11:55
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LinuxJonesswoon, ls -l first to make sure the linux link is poiniting to the kernel source directory11:56
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lmlAnyone besides me and Holger that has expirences with the ndiswrapper-utils package?11:57
swoonLinuxJones: now there is a link in /usr/src named linux that is pointing to /usr/src/linux-source- is that correct?11:57
LinuxJonesswoon, yes, ok off you go to try the Nvidia install again :D11:57
defendguinlml, im using ndis right now11:57
punkass_defendguin:   have u updated recently?11:58
lmldefendguin: How did you modprobe the module?11:58
defendguinnot in the past week11:58
punkass_i am running ndis and just updated an now wireless isnt connecting11:58
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defendguini wont update then11:58
defendguinwhat version of ndiswrapper do you guys have?11:59
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sabdfldefendguin: should be very current. can't support your windows driver though, you're on your own in that regard :-)11:59
holgerfor me too11:59
lmldefendguin & punkass_: could you do a find /lib/modules -name "ndiswrapper*" to see if you have the module installed.11:59

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